lifeblood: listlogs: 1995-08a


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date:         mon, 31 jul 1995 17:16:50 cdt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              i-girl <ig@nuacvm.acns.nwu.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         i-girl <ig@nuacvm.acns.nwu.edu>
subject:      the girl is out there

so um i'm making my 4th trip to newport
(yahoo!) and i am probably excited.  the
only downside -- and this happens every
single year! -- is that emily pretty much
ignores me.  i could be standing in the
10th row or the 100th row, it doesn't matter.
she just acts like she doesn't see me.  :(

i-girl
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date:         mon, 31 jul 1995 23:23:13 -0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              "nobody you know." <eml@solar.sky.net>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "nobody you know." <eml@solar.sky.net>
subject:      re: irc and aol (nigc)
in-reply-to:  <950731225235_45083496@aol.com>

on mon, 31 jul 1995, nikki nahra wrote:
> in a message dated 95-07-31 19:02:13 edt, you write:
> >> aol recently added irc as one of its features.  if you don't have access
> >> to irc through your current version, then you need to upgrade to the most
> >> recent aol software version.  for more info, i believe the keyword is
> >> "upgrade".
> >
> >is this true? god, i hope not!!!
>
> what's up with that?  you tryin' to rain on our parade, or somethin'??  if
> so, kinda' selfish, don'tcha think?

i guess i'll go ahead and say what's on anybody's mind who has been on
the net for more than two years.

in short, aol's entry onto the net has deteriorated the internet as we
once knew it.

not only have i found a profound increase in the number of "me too" posts
on mailing lists and on usenet, i would bet that a significant percentage
of those posts originate from aol accounts. this goes for unnecessary
quoting too, including quoting of entire digests...just to read "me too".

i recognize that it's unfair to stereotype all aol users for these, but
let's face it, aol users have generally not taken the time to learn
proper netiquette and it annoys those who have taken the time to learn
how to act on the net. jumping into discussions cold without a clue seems
to be a trait most associated with aolers. i know it and most people who
have been using the net for a while know it...and we don't like it.

i'll try to be fair since i don't want to dwell on the many infantile
postings by individual aolers, since infantile postings originate from
many sites, including .edu, .com, and various .net sites.

without anymore dicussion of content posted by aolers on the net, the
simple fact that aol's entry onto the net, giving net access to as many as
3 million new users, is enough to bemoan the end of the internet as we
knew it. the sheer volume of messages and e-mail going through the net
has clogged up bandwith causing backlogs, especially in usenet. the mere
fact that 3 million aolers have been added to the net in the last 18
months has caused diskspace for news to be overloaded, which has caused
delays in posting, which has caused a backlog of readable news. this
never used to happen, but the influx of aol users onto the net has simply
resulted in massive bottlenecking.

this is bad enough, but now irc access???

as not-that-far-back as january 1994, there were approximately 2000-3000
people per night using the irc worldwide. as of january of this year,
there were at most 6000-7000 people per night using irc. as of two weeks
ago, irc peaked at over 11,000 people per night for the first time in
history. throughout these last 18 months, the lag on the irc gotten much
worse and at times, the netsplit is unbearable!!! at least all of these
problems have come about gradually.

i do not want to see 3 million aol users clogging up the irc when the net
is not prepared to handle that kind of volume!!!

even if just 15,000 aolers decide to use irc (.05% of aol users), that's
more than double the capacity that irc is currently able to handle. the
problems are bad enough as it is without aol allowing their users irc
access.

so if you ask if i'm trying to rain on your parade or something, think
again. aol has rained on our parade and has ruined what was once
something very special. if this sounds selfish, then so be it. i liked
things the way they used to be without aol. if i had it my way, aol would
have remained self-contained. that's great that aol users can now access
the internet, but at what cost to those who already had access?

aol has already ruined most of the internet for everyone, i guess irc access
for aolers is just their finishing touch.

eddie

lawyerman's world wide web page | calendar of kansas city area music
http://www.sky.net/~eml/        | http://www.sky.net/~eml/kcmusic.html
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date:         tue, 1 aug 1995 02:19:32 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              indigosgtr@aol.com
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         nikki nahra <indigosgtr@aol.com>
subject:      re: irc and aol (nigc)

in a message dated 95-08-01 00:30:03 edt, eddie "lawyerman" writes:

>i recognize that it's unfair to stereotype all aol users for these, but
>let's face it, aol users have generally not taken the time to learn
>proper netiquette and it annoys those who have taken the time to learn
>how to act on the net. jumping into discussions cold without a clue seems
>to be a trait most associated with aolers. i know it and most people who
>have been using the net for a while know it...and we don't like it.

first of all, i would like to apologize publicly for being thus ignorant of
proper netiquette.  yes, my first reaction was anger, but i had to look at it
honestly in the end.  i've not heeded basic courtesies regarding
consolidation, news-worthiness, and, in general, consideration of others'
time, bandwidth, and patience.  there is no excuse for my impulsivity nor for
such disregard for standard proceedures.  if it is any consolation, i've just
spent the past two and a half hours reading up on "the internet and the art
of zen" (or whatever it's called ^%#@&*~! ).
please accept my sincere and humble apologies, everyone i've had internet
contact with.
peace~ig's and guitars,
--nikki--
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date:         mon, 31 jul 1995 23:58:33 -0700
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              derek keith moulaison <frisco@uclink2.berkeley.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         derek keith moulaison <frisco@uclink2.berkeley.edu>
subject:      re: irc and aol (nigc)
x-to:         "nobody you know." <eml@solar.sky.net>
in-reply-to:  <pine.sun.3.91.950731223912.17770a-100000@solar.sky.net>

ohh, that's beautiful eddie. sounds a hell of a lot like what the ku klux
klan says about african-americans, and hitler said about the jews. the
net isn't yours, everybody has equal access, and if some people don't
know as much about "netiquette", why don't you just get down off of your
pedestal and help them, instead of chastising everyone on aol.

on mon, 31 jul 1995, eddie wrote:
> i guess i'll go ahead and say what's on anybody's mind who has been on
> the net for more than two years.
>
> in short, aol's entry onto the net has deteriorated the internet as we
> once knew it.
>
> not only have i found a profound increase in the number of "me too" posts
> on mailing lists and on usenet, i would bet that a significant percentage
> of those posts originate from aol accounts. this goes for unnecessary
> quoting too, including quoting of entire digests...just to read "me too".
>
> i recognize that it's unfair to stereotype all aol users for these, but
> let's face it, aol users have generally not taken the time to learn
> proper netiquette and it annoys those who have taken the time to learn
> how to act on the net. jumping into discussions cold without a clue seems
> to be a trait most associated with aolers. i know it and most people who
> have been using the net for a while know it...and we don't like it.
>
> i'll try to be fair since i don't want to dwell on the many infantile
> postings by individual aolers, since infantile postings originate from
> many sites, including .edu, .com, and various .net sites.
>
> without anymore dicussion of content posted by aolers on the net, the
> simple fact that aol's entry onto the net, giving net access to as many as
> 3 million new users, is enough to bemoan the end of the internet as we
> knew it. the sheer volume of messages and e-mail going through the net
> has clogged up bandwith causing backlogs, especially in usenet. the mere
> fact that 3 million aolers have been added to the net in the last 18
> months has caused diskspace for news to be overloaded, which has caused
> delays in posting, which has caused a backlog of readable news. this
> never used to happen, but the influx of aol users onto the net has simply
> resulted in massive bottlenecking.
>
> this is bad enough, but now irc access???
>
> as not-that-far-back as january 1994, there were approximately 2000-3000
> people per night using the irc worldwide. as of january of this year,
> there were at most 6000-7000 people per night using irc. as of two weeks
> ago, irc peaked at over 11,000 people per night for the first time in
> history. throughout these last 18 months, the lag on the irc gotten much
> worse and at times, the netsplit is unbearable!!! at least all of these
> problems have come about gradually.
>
> i do not want to see 3 million aol users clogging up the irc when the net
> is not prepared to handle that kind of volume!!!
>
> even if just 15,000 aolers decide to use irc (.05% of aol users), that's
> more than double the capacity that irc is currently able to handle. the
> problems are bad enough as it is without aol allowing their users irc
> access.
>
> so if you ask if i'm trying to rain on your parade or something, think
> again. aol has rained on our parade and has ruined what was once
> something very special. if this sounds selfish, then so be it. i liked
> things the way they used to be without aol. if i had it my way, aol would
> have remained self-contained. that's great that aol users can now access
> the internet, but at what cost to those who already had access?
>
> aol has already ruined most of the internet for everyone, i guess irc access
> for aolers is just their finishing touch.
>
> eddie
>
> lawyerman's world wide web page | calendar of kansas city area music
> http://www.sky.net/~eml/        | http://www.sky.net/~eml/kcmusic.html
>
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date:         tue, 1 aug 1995 10:12:27 +0000
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              j.f.l.devaney@aston.ac.uk
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         j.f.l.devaney@aston.ac.uk
subject:      re: irc and aol (nigc) ... sorry, i couldn't keep my mouth shut

hi y'all,

i'm sorry, but i feel the need to stick my oar in here.

all of eddie's stats sounded true enough, though i can't confirm or deny
them. derek was also right that we can't deny access to the 'net to anyone,
and how they get access is immaterial (though companies like aol should
really give some advice to complete newbies).

i have two new points to make, though.

the internet is possibly the best medium for unrestricted communication
between nations. i personaly use a talker most days and have had
interesting, revealing conversations with people from places as diverse as
saudi arabia, israel, south africa, korea and colombia. restricting aol
users to contact with other aol users is the sort of thing that only our
more paranoid governments would endorse.

the clogging up of bandwidth, which i am a regular victim of, particularly
in the afternoon when the us wakes up, is due mainly to the sheer numbers
of people using the net. it is not due to their lack of netiquette, which
everyone goes through a learning stage in. the net should be available, and
capable of handling _everyone_ in the world. instead of moaning about more
people joining our little clique, we should be lobbying our governments to
fund the nescessary upgrades to capacity.

sorry'bout all this nigc again,

johnd
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date:         tue, 1 aug 1995 09:00:33 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              thpft@aol.com
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         thpft@aol.com
subject:      re: wanted: wendy bucklew (nigc)

i can send you a copy of painting sidewalks and a list of other cd's that
wendy makes cameo's on, just e-mail me at thpft@aol.com
no charge
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date:         tue, 1 aug 1995 10:18:32 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              gondat@cc.tacom.army.mil
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         gondat@cc.tacom.army.mil
subject:      newport folk fest tickets

i have ordered two tickets and will not be attending.

i'll warn you now, if you don't have tickets and are expecting to get them
there....don't.

two years ago i tried that and they were sold out. i figured there would
have to be folks there trying to get rid of tickets.  wrong again.  there
were so many people who showed up wanting tickets that for every pair of
available tickets, there were over 50 people wanting them.  when the fairy
boat docked, we were deluged by folks looking for tickets.  each bus that
pulled up in the parking lot was over run.

i won't tell you how i got in ;)

now about my tickets...

i just called ticketmaster...sigh.  i think bashing organizations is not a
good practice, but they make it so easy...

they mailed out the tickets on july 28th (what happened to "two weeks
prior to the performance"?).  i haven't received them yet.

which means if someone wants them, we will have to do the express mail
thing, which will increase costs.  i'd be willing to split it (assuming
they come in the mail today or tomorrow).  contact me today please.

phone: 810-574-5468 or 810-549-9125

this is a pair of tickets.

terry gonda
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date:         tue, 1 aug 1995 11:16:41 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              deving@aol.com
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         deving@aol.com
subject:      what would you have paid?

just curious . . . i picked up something yesterday many of us have probably
been looking for for a while -- a copy of rites of passage on vinyl (one of
amy's handpainted covers). i'm just curious -- what would you have paid for
it? and no, it's not for sale, at least not yet.

devin
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date:         tue, 1 aug 1995 13:00:37 pdt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              "jennifer dynes (london)" <jendy@microsoft.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "jennifer dynes (london)" <jendy@microsoft.com>
subject:      jcs in seattle

well, i am still high from sunday night's show!  all i can say is that
it was amazing!!!!

i went down to wait in line at 2:30pm which was so worth it, because we
got great seats (although i don't think there is a bad seat at the
pier).  the pier is such a beautiful place to see a concert.  when
facing the stage, you look to the right and see mountains, water, the
sunset, and you look to the left, and see the seattle skyline.  we were
up pretty close and we could see every expression clearly.  every song
was sung with such power and emotion.  i had never seen jcs, the
musical before, so i really had no idea what to expect, and  i couldn't
believe how entertaining it was!  there was so much going on on that
stage, and every character got so into their part.

i always go through the same routine when i see the igs.  i get so
excited weeks and days before, spend the whole day in line, always see
what i think is the most amazing show i have ever seen before, and then
after it is over, i always feel this sadness, because i know it will be
awhile before i can see them again.

now i am just trying to figure out how i can get myself from seattle to
newport this weekend...

-jennifer
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date:         tue, 1 aug 1995 15:36:38 -0700
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              carolyn chow <egg@u.washington.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         carolyn chow <egg@u.washington.edu>
subject:      jcs in seattle (long)

hey all,

i've spent the last couple of days recovering from my wonderful
experience over the weekend at jcs.  no, there were no personal meetings
with amy or emily or any of the other cast for that matter.  but, i was
fortunate enough to go twice and be in the second row center for the
second time (thanks to the gracious pamela shaw who came up from la).

i hesitated to post anything about jcs because i figured others would
post.  they have, but these are some things that i noticed that may be of
interest to y'all.


interestingly, i remember from a previous post about how obnoxious
lesbians laughed and screamed during emily's "i don't know how to love
him."  this happened on the first night i believe.  on sunday night, i was
actually close enough to see emily's expressions.  when she got to the
part where she says, "he's a man, just a man..."  she laughed and smirked.
it was really cute, especially when she rolled her eyes.  i also noticed
that she was tons more relaxed on sunday.  in fact, everyone seemed to be
having a better time up on stage.

aside from thinking that the show was absolutely incredible, i wish they
were touring with it so the rest of the country could see it.  it really
was quite amazing and really entertaining.

i was in the second row and amy and other members of the cast would come
out toward the audience throughout the show.  it was nice to see them not
afraid to "interact" with the audience as much as they did.  during the
temple scene the chorus threw things out into the crowd like playing
cards, flowers, and beaded necklaces.  one of my friends caught what she
thought was a playing card.  it ended up being a business card for the
westin hotel here in seattle.  maybe that's where the performers stayed.
it just looked like they were all having a ball.

the chorus also threw other stuff during later scenes such as donuts and
bread.

kelly hogan as simon had such a strong voice. she was dressed as a man in
an over-sized light blue suit and a red tie.  gerard mchugh as pilate was
really good too.  he did one of the best jobs acting his part (imho).  i
loved his costume.  he was dressed like a harlequin and/or joker with
bright rainbow colors.  his face was painted white with black lines for
eye brows and smile (joker-like).  and his hair was tied back in a ponytail.

the crucifixion scene was one of my favorites.  it was very dramatic.  amy
lay on the ground after the 39 lashes and the chorus came and picked her
up over their heads as she lay still in the position of a crucified
person.  then they carried her off stage like that.  it was quite
amazing.  everyone was silent and it was weird to see amy up there.

it was just weird to see amy and emily "acting".  they did a good job
even though i felt that amy always looked over the audience which made
her seem "distant".  emily, on the other hand, would look straight into
the audience.  this really  accentuated the passion with which she sang.
it was really touching (i know, it's hokey, but i don't know how else to
describe it).

overall, i thought this production of jcs was a very interesting
interpretation of the musical.  if it weren't for ig i probably wouldn't
have seen it because i'm so detached from stories in religion.  now i'm
really glad i saw and got to know the story.

oh well, i hope this was interesting to you.  i don't really ever post to
the list (i think for fear of flaming)  :) but it was kind of fun to delurk.

but, i'll stop justifying myself and let you get on with your day.

cheers,

carolyn
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date:         tue, 1 aug 1995 19:08:03 edt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              ms lorie a driscoll <dyqf47a@prodigy.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         ms lorie a driscoll <dyqf47a@prodigy.com>
subject:      got my paper (in what) & i was free....

well, the subject line pretty much tells it.  we all know the line
from closer to fine.  but could someone who knows please post what
degrees amy and emily received from emory?  i read that amy's major
was religion.  is this correct?

whatever the degree, they each seem to be quite literate people.  for
example, i was reading (on aol) the letter that amy wrote to southern
voice (a gay and lesbian newspaper) about how she thought the paper
focused too much on relating details of a performer's (or business
owner's etc) personal life rather than focusing on that person's
accomplishments in whatever industry.

i was very impressed by the way those thoughts were expressed.  (now
i sound like an english teacher.  i'm not, i'm a student of english,
writing and religion.  oh, and i'm an ig fan, too. )

my name is lorie and i'm an indigo girls fan (hi lorie).

aka indigoohio@aol.com
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date:         tue, 1 aug 1995 20:22:42 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              misticwolf@aol.com
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         misticwolf@aol.com
subject:      re: jcs in seattle (long)

wow! i wish i had seen it....
i love emily! so did anyone manage to get a boot of the show or take
pictures?
it sounds amy is an excellent actress....
mika
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date:         tue, 1 aug 1995 20:45:05 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              ofastarte@aol.com
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "stephanie a. magurno" <ofastarte@aol.com>
subject:      un-subscribing . . .

     i wish to un-subscribe,  but,  as many people before me,  have been
unsuccessful at doing so.  does anyone know how?
                                                                    thanx,
                                                                    of
astarte
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date:         tue, 1 aug 1995 20:56:17 edt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              jan vansyckel <mglz19a@prodigy.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         jan vansyckel <mglz19a@prodigy.com>
subject:      re: irc and aol (nigc)

nobody you know. wrote:

> > on mon, 31 jul 1995, moj wrote:
> > aol recently added irc as one of its features.  if you don't have
access to irc through your current version, then you need to upgrade to
the most recent aol software version.

> is this true? god, i hope not!!!

i just logged on to aol using my girfriends computer. (verson 2.6 for
the macintosh)  i looked around the "internet connection" and went into
the aol internet chat room. i talked with a few people and they say
that there is not irc access via aol. one person said they thought that
people were accessing irc via by telneting.

if anyone knows differently i would love to know about it. i'm dieing
to try irc just once.

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jan mv - mglz19a@prodigy .com
http://pages.prodigy.com/nh/mglz19a/mglz19a.html
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date:         tue, 1 aug 1995 20:56:11 edt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              jan vansyckel <mglz19a@prodigy.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         jan vansyckel <mglz19a@prodigy.com>
subject:      re: irc and aol (nigc)

from: nobody you know wrote:

> in short, aol's entry onto the net has deteriorated the internet as
we once knew it...... [snip].... aol's entry onto the net, giving net
access to as many as 3 million new users has clogged up bandwith
causing backlogs, especially in usenet.

> so if you ask if i'm trying to rain on your parade or something,
think again. aol has rained on our parade

gee.....<sheepish grin>  i hate to think what you think of people (such
as me) accessing via *prodigy*. maybe i shouldn't open that can of
worms........

now,  i can understand how people on the net may get bummed out with
the idea of commercial services "clogging" up the internet, but..

is the intenet a private party that one has to be invited to? what if
the *same* number of people got private ppp or slip dial in accounts,
do they have more of a right to access because they are not going via a
3rd party service?

because of the money it costs for an access number (i live in the
boonies of nh) i can only afford to be on the internet via my prodigy
account. i have been on the net since march and i can't honestly say
that don't i find any one service, or domain address to be a less
responsible user.

oh well.... just my two cents.

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jan mv - mglz19a@prodigy .com
http://pages.prodigy.com/nh/mglz19a/mglz19a.html
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date:         tue, 1 aug 1995 20:13:21 -0700
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              lucy richert <lucyr@cyberspace.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         lucy richert <lucyr@cyberspace.com>
subject:      seattle print reviews of jcs (long)

hi folks -- thought you might be interested in the local press reaction to
jcs.  both reviews appeared monday.

from the (morning) seattle post-intelligencer, reprinted without
permission, all typos mine:


indigo girls' singing fails to resurrect 'j.c. superstar'
by roberta penn

        if jesus was played by a lesbian in a resurrection of "jesus
christ superstar," could the overblown 1970 rock opera be redeemed for
the 90s?  only if you're an indigo girls groupie.
        friday night, in the first of three performances at pier 62/63,
the indigo girls and a large cast of relatively unknown atlanta rock and
funk performers camped and crooned through andrew lloyd webber and tim
rice's musical, but never quite made it big enough to be musical theater
or emotional enough for a modern passion play.  the production did have
some good ideas and musical highlights.
        as jesus, amy ray (half of the indigo girls and a lesbian)
entered dressed in overalls, and sparks flew. how would gender and sexual
orientation affect the role?  would the relationship with mary magdalene,
played by indigo girl emily saliers, be a lesbian one?  but the treatment
of the female jesus was no different from if a man were in the role.  in
the songs jesus was referred to as "him," and mary magdalene acted more
like a doting mother than an aspiring lover.  this was a disappointment
and a missed opportunity to develop a modern, alternative interpretation
of the christian martyr and savior.
        musical theater demands theatricality, and this, too, was often
missing.  musicians don't necessarily make good actors, especially
without their instruments, and many of the acting roles either too
undefined or meekly interpreted.  however, when the full cast was on
stage and the performers had each other to play with, it was quite
amusing.  the 12 apostles, dressed as if inmates from an insane asylum
had been set free in a costume shop, clowned around haphazardly, giving
the show a free-for-all attitude that played well behind the rather stiff
soloists.
        neither ray nor saliers are actors, but they can sing.  without
whining, ray used her deep, husky voice to set her apart from the folly
that surrounded jesus.  saliers' soprano, though sweet, was a little thin
for the showstopper that "i don't know how to love him" is supposed to
be, but her a capella "could we start again please" was perfect.
        among the other soloists, david clair stood out as herod, and
kelly hogan's simon was impressive in a 70s pop way.  and the bands
murray hedd experience and big fish ensemble are worth further
investigation.  the show stealers were social insanity, a hip-hop, funk
quartet that interpreted "superstar" as a soulful 90s sing-along.  had
the entire show been executed with as much spirit and confidence, "jesus
christ superstar" could have been resurrected.


from the afternoon seattle times; same disclaimers apply:

indigo girls' 'superstar' rocks crowds at the pier
by misha berson

        you've never heard the andrew lloyd webber-tim rice song
"superstar" the way social insanity does it.  last night the hard-driving
atlanta band turned the droning anthem from "jesus christ superstar" into
an explosion of hot, burning funk, fueled with gospel fervency and riotous
sexual energy.
        the number was merely the coup de grace of "jesus christ
superstar: a resurrection," a remarkable happening that drew large crowds
to its three waterfront performances over the weekend. part of the summer
nights at the pier series, the shows raised money for several gun-control
organizations.
        the main draw for the exuberant rock spectacle was the indigo
girls, a popular duo known for their beguiling original tunes and vocal
interplay.  but as swell as the indigos were at super-charging their
roles in this 1970s rock-opera relic about christs's final days (amy ray
played jesus, emily saliers was mary magdalene), the resurrection circus
feel of the whole affair really made the show a hoot.
        joining ray and saliers onstage (and in the aisles, where some
funky ritualized action took place) were more than 70 members of
atlanta's fertile music scene, led by michael lorant (as judas) and
including such rock, brass, and acoustic bands as the murray hedd
experience, the revelation string quartet, and uncle green.
        with the enormous cast adorned in a mishmash of surreal costumes
and drastic face paint and the constant roar of electric guitars, the
show often had a ragtag fellini-goes-to-woodstock aura about it.
        and it sure did sandblast off much of the plastic glaze of the
film and broadway versions of "jcs."  by contrast this was a very raw,
plugged-in effort, with the high priest caiphas (benjamin dickerson)
decked out as a pregnant, cigar-smoking nun flailing on a guitar like the
who's pete townshend, and a leering pontius pilate (gerard mchugh) tooting
a sax solo while arranging the crucifixion.
        at the heart of it all stood ray, an androgynous, vulnerable
christ figure in distressed overalls and peace symbol t-shirt.  ray
performed her monumental role with uncontrived charisma, and her husky,
deep-souled renditions of "poor jerusalem" and "gethsemane" showed off an
exciting, distincitive voice.
        though she had to fight to be heard above crashing guitar chords,
saliers also impressed strongly with her high, impassioned shaping of the
tender ballads "i don't know how to love him" and "everything's alright."
lorant's judas excelled, too, with rock vocals that could soar and pierce
like roger daltrey's.  (if the who fits...)
        but much of the crowd-pleasing spirit came from the gyrating,
wailing mob of other participants, who made very animated and
exotic-looking apostles, prostitutes, moneylenders, soldiers, etc.
        though an irreverent approach to religious mythology, "jcs: a
resurrection" exuded a raucous beatitude that was, in its own grungy way,
uplifting.  after hearing this score played with such rock brio, it's
hard to believe the same guy composed "sunset boulevard."


and hard to believe these two people saw the same show!

lucy,
who saw the same show as the times critic
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date:         tue, 1 aug 1995 23:28:25 edt
reply-to:     jon miner <jjminer@facstaff.wisc.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         jon miner <jjminer@facstaff.wisc.edu>
subject:      re: irc and aol (major nigc)

>date:    mon, 31 jul 1995 23:23:13 -0500
>from:    "nobody you know." <eml@solar.sky.net>
>subject: re: irc and aol (nigc)

>aol has already ruined most of the internet for everyone, i guess irc >access for aolers is just their finishing touch.

the own a large percentage of the internet now....  so, i guess they
deserve it.  the recently bought out the nsf for their portion of the
internet.
but, i would also like to add that the the communications decency act
would not be going through congress right now wihtout aol.  aol and it
'user-friendly' interface is the reason that 12-year-olds can get to
the pornography.  formerly you had to actualy think.  anyway, this is
totaly nigc, so i'll shut up now.  i'm not saying i hate all aolers, i
have friends whose only access is through aol, but many (including my
friends) lack the capacity for rational thought.

by the way, please, mail your congress-people and tell them not say
no! to the cda.

thank you,

                  -*jon*-

...  "death is but a doorway - time is but a window - i'll be back."
                -vigo the omnipotent.

if all the world is a stage....
        then the light at the end of the tunnel...

must be god's way of saying...
        "get off the stage!"


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date:         tue, 1 aug 1995 21:32:46 -0700
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              moj <moj@crl.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         moj <moj@crl.com>
subject:      irc and aol - round 2 (nigc)
in-reply-to:  <013.09360308.mglz19a@prodigy.com> from "jan vansyckel" at aug 1,
              95 08:56:17 pm

(jan vansyckel wrote:)
>
> the aol internet chat room. i talked with a few people and they say
> that there is not irc access via aol. one person said they thought that
> people were accessing irc via by telneting.
>
> if anyone knows differently i would love to know about it. i'm dieing
> to try irc just once.
>
again, i have seen aol subscribers on irc.  for more information i
suggest you talk to the support personnel at aol.
--

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date:         tue, 1 aug 1995 18:45:14 edt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              ms lorie a driscoll <dyqf47a@prodigy.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         ms lorie a driscoll <dyqf47a@prodigy.com>
subject:      aol users and irc (nigc)

regarding lawyerman's little comments about aol users, i have heard
similar comments from other sources.  being a new (2 months) computer
user, i am currently signed up on both prodigy and aol.  prodigy is
in the process of a forced upgrade which will probably send me to my
aol account next week to read/post.

please understand that i am the same person regardless of which
account i chose to originate this message.


lorie

indigoohio@aol.com  (and proud of it)
=========================================================================
date:         wed, 2 aug 1995 06:03:56 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              indigosgtr@aol.com
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         nikki nahra <indigosgtr@aol.com>
subject:      ig music videos/end of irc thread/e&a's degrees w/ sori

first of all, to cut this threadd here's the resolution to our aol/irc
inquiries--which i am sorry for...after all, i am responsible for its
beginning (feeling shameful right now)
moj wrote:

>again, i have seen aol subscribers on irc.  for more information i
>suggest you talk to the support personnel at aol.

okay, i just spoke online with one of the aol tech-live people, and he said
that aol does not have irc access...yet.  so when i mentioned moj's comment
here, about seeing aoler's on irc, he said it was probably b/c they had some
kind of supplementary program or application which enables them to do so.
however, he said, aol has no such helps as a part of its service.  i also
read recently, in an "upcoming additions to aol" kind of thing that they're
planning on implementing irc soon.  so,  we're not totally devoid of
hope...*some*thing's in the works, at least.  :)

now....to answer some random ?'s in earlier posts....

>well, the subject line pretty much tells it.  we all know the line
>from closer to fine.  but could someone who knows please post what
>degrees amy and emily received from emory?  i read that amy's major
>was religion.  is this correct?

yes.  it is correct, amy's major was religion.  and emily's was english.  it
was almost religion, for a while, although to what seriousness and at what
point in her college career i do not know.  i do know that her father
is(was?) a christian minister, and that both of the two of them were raised
protestant, if that little bit of trivia is of interest to anyone.
btw................sori (in the subject heading) stands for "some other
random info" (my own special concoction) =0)

>whatever the degree, they each seem to be quite literate people.  for
>example, i was reading (on aol) the letter that amy wrote to southern
>voice (a gay and lesbian newspaper)

question:  were did you find this on aol???

now...for my primary question.......does anyone have any information on the
ig's music videos???  --like, for galileo, and least complicated, and ctf,
and joking, and...any and *every* other one they've done!!!???  i--believe it
or not--(drumroll)have never(never) seen an ig music video! (gasps heard)
yes, yes,...i know...poor deprived child.  so that's why i'm asking :)  so,
how _can_ i see them?  do they, or _would_ they ever play them if requested?
but, more realistically(b/c i haven't tuned in to mtv in years), is it
possible to obtain them for my own personal collection???  maybe by ordering
from sony, or epic, or whoever is in charge of producing their videos(maybe
russell carter and/or rdr has some info)???

okay...that's enough for one post now, i think!  sorry i ran so long, but i'm
just trying to be considerate by consolidating my messages. so, if you're
still gonna' complain..
...suck it up.  :)                              (just _slightly_ sarcastic!)

peace~ig's~n~guitars,
--nikki--                (w/ my 'new and improved' closing)
=========================================================================
date:         wed, 2 aug 1995 08:26:54 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              sheri stanley <sstanley@infinet.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         sheri stanley <sstanley@infinet.com>
subject:      re: got my paper (in what) & i was free....
x-to:         ms lorie a driscoll <dyqf47a@prodigy.com>
in-reply-to:  <013.09355113.dyqf47a@prodigy.com>

amy's degree is in theology, and emily's degree is english lit. (i
think). to be sure, there's an ig faq around here somewhere.

good luck.
-sheri
=========================================================================
date:         wed, 2 aug 1995 11:33:41 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              chris mcmahon <libcm@emory.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         chris mcmahon <libcm@emory.edu>
subject:      aol and then some, jcs (with actual igc!)
in-reply-to:  <9508020401.aa25534@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu>

> from:    derek keith moulaison <frisco@uclink2.berkeley.edu>
> subject: re: irc and aol (nigc)
>
> ohh, that's beautiful eddie. sounds a hell of a lot like what the ku klux
> klan says about african-americans, and hitler said about the jews. the

hey, derek, there's a agreed-upon convention on the net that the first
party to invoke hitler or nazis loses the argument. this is noted in a
number of faqs.
    that you proceed to quote the entire post you refer to doesn't help
your cause. or aol's.
    the fact is, the same week aol dumped 2 million people on usenet,
they had a software glitch that multiplied every post 7 times or more,
thus annoying many, many people. that's not the users' fault, but it sure
prejudiced a lot of folks against aol from the start.
    content, however, is the users' responsibility, and aol has more than
it's share of idiots. i read recently on alt.usenet.net-abuse that there
are sysops who have banned all posts with an aol.com address from their
machines. look, aol is like disneyland- all the dangerous parts are walled
off, there are guides to help you get around, and there's security to
remove people who pose a threat. internet is the wilderness, and you can
get in trouble if you don't know what you're doing. heck, you can get in
trouble if you do know what you're doing! (right lauree?) everybody does,
eventually. aol is also like disneyland in that it appeals to a broader
cross-section of people than does prodigy and compuserve, which have more
specialized features, like financial and news services, than either aol or
the net. prodigy and compuserve members tend to subscribe for those
reasons, and fewer of them are on the net, and they tend to be less
intrusive. and, frankly, better educated.
     eddie (lawyerman) was pretty polite, and informative. if you still
feel like you have to beat him up, could you not do it in public?
**********************************************************
> from:    carolyn chow <egg@u.washington.edu>
> subject: jcs in seattle (long)

> it was just weird to see amy and emily "acting".  they did a good job
> even though i felt that amy always looked over the audience which made
> her seem "distant".  emily, on the other hand, would look straight into
> the audience.  this really  accentuated the passion with which she sang.

brace yourself for some actual igc...
the very first ig fans in the world were theater students at emory. that
was the crowd they hung out with in '84, '85. must be kind of nostalgic
for them...

> from:    lucy richert <lucyr@cyberspace.com>
> subject: seattle print reviews of jcs (long)

> from the (morning) seattle post-intelligencer, reprinted without
> permission, all typos mine:

> indigo girls' singing fails to resurrect 'j.c. superstar'
> by roberta penn

> rice's musical, but never quite made it big enough to be musical theater
> or emotional enough for a modern passion play.  the production did have
> some good ideas and musical highlights.

well, it wasnt' either one. it was an exercise in *music*, not theater or
religion, except tangentially.

> >from the afternoon seattle times; same disclaimers apply:
>
> indigo girls' 'superstar' rocks crowds at the pier
> by misha berson
>
>         and it sure did sandblast off much of the plastic glaze of the
> film and broadway versions of "jcs."  by contrast this was a very raw,

now the "times", they got it!

> plugged-in effort, with the high priest caiphas (benjamin dickerson)
> decked out as a pregnant, cigar-smoking nun flailing on a guitar like the
> who's pete townshend,

actually, that was mike mantione, but who's counting...

-chris on tour and out of your hair in 2 weeks mcmahon
                    visit
http://www.hidwater.com/rdr/milkenzie/m&khome.html
                    please
=========================================================================
date:         wed, 2 aug 1995 09:39:06 -0700
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              "amy j. putnam" <pegasus@crl.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "amy j. putnam" <pegasus@crl.com>
subject:      word frm rainy day records

perry at rdr just called me to say that his computer connection
is inexplicably down and he doesnt know when it will be coming back.
if you have e-mailed him in the last couple of days, chances are he
ahsnt seen it and may not see it at all.  so, in the meantime he
would like everyone to call him at 800 636 6166 instead of e-mail,
adn this includes the web site stuff...if you have an order, call
him.  if you are non-us and cant call, e-mail me and i will pass
the message on to perry.  thanks.

only a few days until newport....


amy p.                          /       who holds your hand
pegasus@crl.com                /        when you're alone
                              /
the original photo monk      /                  --patty larkin
=========================================================================
date:         wed, 2 aug 1995 11:14:37 mdt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              daniel alan fleming <daflemi@lookout.ecte.uswc.uswest.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         daniel alan fleming <daflemi@lookout.ecte.uswc.uswest.com>
subject:      seattle jcs cast?

   with all these enthusiastic reviews of the the seattle jcs performances,
i'm curious about who was involved in the cast.  from the posted
reviews, i see that benjamin, gerard, michael and kelly hogan were
there.  who else?

   from the original shows in atlanta, i remember shawn, cooper, uncle mark,
caroline, wendy, doncon, kevin, keli and rodney in various roles.

   i was disappointed to see that while the murray hedd experience got
positive reviews, there was nothing specific about david patterson or
the other members.  since tmhe isn't a fulltime band, they aren't likely
get much recognition when they are back in atlanta and return to their
respective bands.  (david is with, amoung others, lift; john is with
millan and kenzie; i think leigh has done work with buddy o'reilly band).

--
think peace.
- alan (daflemi@lookout.mnet.uswest.com)
kotbbbb (1988 gsxr1100j)  racebike (ft500)  dod# 4210  pgp key available
=========================================================================
date:         wed, 2 aug 1995 12:19:38 -0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              derek duncan <dld009@acad.drake.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         derek duncan <dld009@acad.drake.edu>
subject:      old digests???

does anyone know if the old digests are kept for this list?  i'd
like to get some of from a few weeks ago, if they are available.

thanks,

*****************************************
*          derek duncan                 *
*      dld009@acad.drake.edu            *
*****************************************
=========================================================================
date:         wed, 2 aug 1995 11:57:00 pdt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              "fukui, glen m'bio" <glenf@microbio.lifesci.ucla.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "fukui, glen m'bio" <glenf@microbio.lifesci.ucla.edu>
subject:      a question....

a little while ago, i saw a post that impled that amy smokes (smoked?)....
is this true?
or did i just completely misunderstand a joke....
=========================================================================
date:         wed, 2 aug 1995 16:58:51 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              elisek8@aol.com
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         elisek8@aol.com
subject:      re: stop this aol nonsense

derek wrote:
>ohh, that's beautiful eddie. sounds a hell of a lot like what the ku klux
>klan says about african-americans, and hitler said about the jews. the
>net isn't yours, everybody has equal access, and if some people don't
>know as much about "netiquette", why don't you just get down off of your
>pedestal and help them, instead of chastising everyone on aol.

thank you, thank you, thank you, derek.  that was beautifully put.  i've seen
that same stupid argument (eddie's that is) on other lists and it's
unbelievably prejudiced and discriminating.

if people spent more time helping instead of bashing, the world would indeed
be a better place for all.  why should the net be different?

- elise

sorry for the nigc but i couldn't stay quiet on this.
=========================================================================
date:         wed, 2 aug 1995 17:54:43 cdt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              djinn <jtaylor1@ua1vm.ua.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         djinn <jtaylor1@ua1vm.ua.edu>
subject:      muzak hell
in-reply-to:  message of wed, 2 aug 1995 00:00:12 -0400 from
              <listserv@netspace.org>

greetings, all.  as always, i'm only here to lighten your day with the odd
bit of gossip:  not once, but twice in the past week have i had the
misfortune to hear "galileo" over the supermarket intercom.  full orchestra
and everything.  i almost cried.
what's up with folkies getting turned into muzak???  i've also heard three
different shawn colvin songs as interpreted by the foodworld pops. . .
depressing.
      --djected djinn--
=========================================================================
date:         wed, 2 aug 1995 20:21:54 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              cdsjff@aol.com
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         carlisle stockton <cdsjff@aol.com>
subject:      re: ig music videos

i am an huge ig fan who's been reading the newsletter for a few months but
this is my posting.

                                                                        nikki
- i am fortunate enough to have several (galileo, joking, touch me fall,
least complicated) videos on tape.  some from vh-1, some from friends and i
have to say they are all great!  better than most.  they are really
intelligent videos and out of the ordinary.  the good news is that on the
watershed video due out in october there will be at least ten of their
videos.  i hope this was helpful.
=========================================================================
date:         wed, 2 aug 1995 20:25:39 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              cdsjff@aol.com
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         carlisle stockton <cdsjff@aol.com>
subject:      can someone give me newport advice?

this will be my first time going to the folk festival.  could someone please
advise me as to how early we need to get there to be in the front front?
i'll do whatever it takes.  also, does it take hours to get out at the end
of the day?  i'd really appreciate the help.  -carlisle
=========================================================================
date:         wed, 2 aug 1995 18:17:32 -0700
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              harold antanas trinkunas <antanas@leland.stanford.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         harold antanas trinkunas <antanas@leland.stanford.edu>
subject:      ig airplay in unusual places ...

hey everybody,

        thought i'd drop everyone a note and say hello. i've been lurking on and
off on some variant of the ig list for the last four years. mostly off
during this last year, but i'm glad to see it survives. kudos to all of
you who have kept it going ( although i _was_ surprised to find 1300+
messages when i finally got to check my email again after three months. i
had thought it was dead, so i hadn't bothered to sign off the previous
version of the list before i lost internet access :)

        obig: i just got back from a year in south american ( venezuela and
argentina ). the recurring list grousing about the lack of ig air play
just reminded me of the most unexpected time/place i ever heard them on
the radio. i was packing to leave buenos aires a few weeks back, and i
had already put away my music, so i decided to turn the radio on. the
song playing was power of two. this station turned out to be a local top
40 equivalent, which means that ig was definitely _not_ their kind of
music. my guess is that, since boys on the side had just hit the movie
theatres in argentina, po2 was in rotation as part of the promotion for
bots. needless to say, hearing the igs on the radio the night before i
left put me in a great mood :) figured it was a good omen for the trip.

        obnigc: to be fair to argentina, i also heard shawn colvin's cover of
'every little thing he does is magic' on another radio station during a
cab ride. perhaps argentinean djs tend to be a little more open minded
about the kind of music they play, although i suspect what gets played
has more to do with what a song sounds like than what format it's
supposed to belong in. i mean, how do they know sc or the igs are
classified as 'folk' or 'adult alternative' ( which blacklists them from
u.s. air play given the rigidity of mainstream radio formats ) ?

        anyway, enough of my ranting. it's nice to be back.

                                                harold
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date:         wed, 2 aug 1995 18:54:47 -0700
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              carolyn chow <egg@u.washington.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         carolyn chow <egg@u.washington.edu>
subject:      re: seattle jcs cast?
x-to:         daniel alan fleming <daflemi@lookout.ecte.uswc.uswest.com>
in-reply-to:  <9508021714.aa06375@pooh.ecte.uswc.uswest.com>

daniel asked for this, but some others may be curious so i'm posting this
to the whole list.

carolyn  :)


the cast for seattle's jcs shows was as follows:  (from the program)

judas..................michael lorant
jesus..................amy ray
mary magdelaene........emily saliers
priests (1&3)..........paul schwartz
caiaphas high priest...benjamin dickerson
annas..................mike mantione
pries 2................shawn mullins
simon..................kelly hogan
pontius pilate.........gerard mchugh
maid by the fire.......cooper seay
peter..................matt brown
soldier 1..............jeff jensen
old man................bill decker
soldier 2..............pete williams
king herod.............dave clair
voice of judas.........social insanity

the bands:  dew, murray hedd experience, seed & feed marching abominable,
uncle green, five-eight, big fish ensemble, social insanity, the
revelation string quartet.

crowd (including moneylenders & merchants and angry mob):  sawn mullins,
dede vogt, annette carpenter, haynes brooke, paul schwarz, lisa lorant,
rodney martin mchugh, caroline aiden, becky shaw, steve dixon, michael
koepenick, cathy mayville, pete williams, eric hubner, barbara ciraldo.

apostles:  kevin lawson, matt brown, jeff jensen, mark reynolds, david
clair, leigh finlayson, bmac, micahel lorant, michael wegner, allen
broyles, kelly hogan, keli mercandante.

apostles' women:  cooper seay, becky shaw, amy williams, amy zager, trina
meade.

lepers:  caroline aiken, lisa lorant, keli mercadante, mark reynolds,
shawn mullins

reporters:  haynes brooke, annete carpenter, kevin lawson, dede vogt,
michael koepenick.
=========================================================================
date:         wed, 2 aug 1995 22:03:09 edt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              lorinda wright <lw01@lehigh.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         lorinda wright <lw01@lehigh.edu>
subject:      who wants a place to stay?

ok all you folks going to newport...
i just found out that one of my friends _isn't_ going to newport, and as a
result i have a campsite that has been reserved but it has no one to sleep in
it. is there anyone out there who's going to newport and doesn't have a place
to stay? it's in the worden family campground, which is supposedly about 30
min from the festival. it's reserved for both fri and sat nites, and the total
cost is $34. any takers? i'm kinda desperate on this because i don't want to
get stuck for the $ and   it's last minute here. if you're going to respond,
please do so immediately because i won't be around all thurs afternoon -->
night and i'm leaving for newport fri morning. hope some lucky person out
there and i can help each other out.

peace,
l-

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
lorinda wright           "when you're learning to face the path at your pace *
lw01@lehigh.edu           every choice is worth your while."  -e.s.          *
lehigh university                                                            *
bethlehem, pa            ..dance, sing, laugh, sing..                        *
                                                                             *
=============================================================================
=========================================================================
date:         wed, 2 aug 1995 21:05:29 -0700
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              pamela shaw <sparkle@primenet.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         pamela shaw <sparkle@primenet.com>
subject:      re: can someone give me newport advice?
x-to:         cdsjff@aol.com

at 08:25 pm 8/2/95 -0400, carlisle stockton wrote:
>this will be my first time going to the folk festival.  could someone please
>advise me as to how early we need to get there to be in the front front?
> i'll do whatever it takes.  also, does it take hours to get out at the end
>of the day?  i'd really appreciate the help.  -carlisle
>


i am sad to say i will not be attending newport this weekend, as i am now
living on the opposite coast.  i have, however, attende the past 2 nffs, and
was lucky enough, both times to be front row center (or front blanket
center.. :) ).  if you, or a member of your party is not a pro runner.
bicyclist, rollerblader or the like, it is dowbtful that you will be in the
front front.  the 1st set of gates open, if i remem,ber correctly, at 5am
(or is it 7am??)  you have to run/bike/blade about 1 mile to get in line at
the festival gates.  it is crazy, cutthroat and highly competitive... not
fun (imo) but worth it when you end up in the front all day... :)

it takes quite awhile to get out of the fairgrounds, and out of newport in
general at the end of the weekend.  i, however, was always so high from the
fun of the day, sunburn and music, that it didn't matter... i always floated
out.. :)

to all who are attending this year:  have fun!!! i am so jealous!!!

btw- i attended all 2 seattle jcs shows, and will soon be posting a review
(with comparisons of all three nights...)

peace...
pamela
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date:         thu, 3 aug 1995 07:24:45 pdt
reply-to:     john belbute <belbute@pop01.ny.us.ibm.net>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         john belbute <belbute@pop01.ny.us.ibm.net>
subject:      unsubscribe-ctf

unsubscribe-ctf

best regards,
mit freundlichen gruessen,
john
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date:         thu, 3 aug 1995 07:27:02 pdt
reply-to:     john belbute <belbute@pop01.ny.us.ibm.net>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         john belbute <belbute@pop01.ny.us.ibm.net>
subject:      unsubscribe-ctf

unsubscribe-ctf
best regards,
mit freundlichen gruessen,
john
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date:         thu, 3 aug 1995 04:41:48 -0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              kat <kopykat@mindspring.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         kat <kopykat@mindspring.com>
subject:      re: a question....
x-to:         "fukui, glen m'bio" <glenf@microbio.lifesci.ucla.edu>

at 11:57 am 8/2/95 pdt, fukui, glen m'bio wrote:
>a little while ago, i saw a post that impled that amy smokes (smoked?)....
> is this true?
>or did i just completely misunderstand a joke....

since this doesn't exactly fall under invasion of space i'll tackle this one....
you didn't misunderstand at all glen....amy smokes....i've heard she was
trying to quit but i don't think she was successful...years ago she used to
roll her own....last i heard she was smoking american spirits which are 100%
natural and not tested on animals, of course! :)


kat

                      "if i let you do it to me, can
                       we still call it suicide?"
                             - cooper seay

                       " without love you can only resist,
                          without feeling you can't exist."
                                     - melissa ferrick
=========================================================================
date:         thu, 3 aug 1995 07:45:08 -24000
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              "judith k. hunter" <jhunter@rtc.gov>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "judith k. hunter" <jhunter@rtc.gov>
subject:      re: stop this aol nonsense

on thursday, john belbute sent this request for help:

>>unsubscribe-ctf

>>best regards,
>>mit freundlichen gruessen,
>>john


*<trying real hard not to sound sarcastic>*  what this guy needs is an aol
address....yeh, i sent him the *instructions*.  ;)

jude aka hunterj1@aol.com  <==who installed aol on my older sister's pc via
the phone and on my two younger sisters' pcs via phone <huge grin>.

btw, if you want to get on irc, download the beta program mirc:

ftp.demon.co.uk  in pub/ibmpc/winsock/apps/mirc

you'll need a copy of winsock.dll and software that gets you to the net.
=========================================================================
date:         thu, 3 aug 1995 08:53:11 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              windsurfwm@aol.com
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         windsurfwm@aol.com
subject:      newport ff (nigc)

hello all!

in just 2 hours we are off to newport, ri, for the infamous ff.  we are so
excited!!!!  anyhow, i just wanted to re-confirm that we will meet at the
"list meet" sign at noon on saturday, near the corner of the wall.

hope ya'll have a fantastic week.  see your newport folks at the festival.

adios

dj
=========================================================================
date:         thu, 3 aug 1995 09:55:34 edt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              bertin lefkovic <indigboy@eden.rutgers.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         bertin lefkovic <indigboy@eden.rutgers.edu>
subject:      re: muzak hell
x-to:         djinn <jtaylor1@ua1vm.ua.edu>
in-reply-to:  your message of wed, 2 aug 1995 17:54:43 cdt

actually, i wouldn't mind hearing a musak version of ig songs.  i think it
would be pretty funny to hear.  just think of how much $$$ they got from the
foodworld pops people to be able to make a musak version.

peace

bert
=========================================================================
date:         thu, 3 aug 1995 07:04:52 -0700
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              "amy j. putnam" <pegasus@crl.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "amy j. putnam" <pegasus@crl.com>
subject:      re: can someone give me newport advice?
x-to:         cdsjff@aol.com
in-reply-to:  <950802202537_46614550@aol.com>

another thought about newport (this will be my 6th year).  this
will help in terms of getting out of the park at the end of the
day.  park on the other side of the harbor nearer to downtown
newport *instead* of driving into the park.  parking in the
park is $6, across town maybe $8+.  yes more expensive...but
the water shuttles, for another $4 round trip will get you
across the water, you wont have to deal with parking at the festival
and waiting all night to get out, and it is a nice pretty ride. :)
now, the shuttles dont run at 6 when the gates to the park open
(the gates to the festival open around 10:30).  but, for those
who arent looking so much to get there at the crack of dawn,
the water shuttles are a great alternative.

pam's thought about having runners is good too. especially when the
festival gtes open.  give one or wo poeple the blanket and their
tickets so they can get through the gate quickly.  it is a major foot
race at that point.  it's a big place so the front row is pretty
long.  just be fleet of foot you you should have great seats.
remember too:  no glass ro alcohol are allowed.  still cameras (as
opposed to video cameras)are allowed.  they have a good variety
of food ther and some great crafts booths.  and lots of ice cream.

weather in case anyone is interested....looks basically good.  friday
night it is supposed to rain but sat looks mostly clear (not like
in 1992...teh great newport flood).  temps in the mid 80's..sunday
is supposed to be all clear, low humidity and around 80 degrees.

i want to go *now* *whine*

amy p.                          /       who holds your hand
pegasus@crl.com                /        when you're alone
                              /
the original photo monk      /                  --patty larkin
=========================================================================
date:         thu, 3 aug 1995 07:53:39 -0700
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              lucy richert <lucyr@cyberspace.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         lucy richert <lucyr@cyberspace.com>
subject:      re: jcs in seattle
in-reply-to:  <pine.hpp.3.91.950731105507.15730c-100000@seaccd.sccd.ctc.edu>

on mon, 31 jul 1995, paula laine wrote:

[lots of great stuff about the jcs shows], and:

>
> a couple of newspaper type things. in a promo article appearing last week
> something was written about the girls personal life that i beleive
> is untrue. as it is personal in nature and most likely a big lie, i am
                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

now that the times has retracted it i hope it's ok to post.  it's really
more about sloppy journalism than igs.  in the course of a long article,
most of which was taken from a phone interview with amy, there appeared
this remark, re amy & emily: "they were, but are no longer, involved
romantically."  my ears hurt just *imagining* what happened when a & e saw
that.  no source was cited for this gratuitous comment, which appeared in
parentheses, almost offhand, right after the line "friends since grade
school, the women are frank about their lesbianism."  since the comment
has no basis in fact, one wonders what possessed the writer to offer it.
(btw, it was the same woman who wrote the "good" review of jcs.) did she
just assume that because two lesbians have been friends for so long they
must have slept together?  honestly wrong information?  just a calculated
guess??  shouldn't she have checked with the women involved before
printing such extremely personal information, or, failing that, just left
the issue unaddressed?  or are celebrities' private lives considered fair
game for whatever casual comment a journalist cares to make?

anyway, someone at the times clearly heard about it, because last sunday,
in the corrections column on page 2, the following item appeared:

"amy ray and emily saliers are longtime friends and co-performers as
members of the indigo girls.  an article in last sunday's arts alive
section incorrectly characterized their relationship."

this is beautifully bland, corporate and clueless ("co-performers"?
*members* of "the indigo girls"??).  but at least they got the facts
more or less straight.

lucy,
thinking that if she wasn't such an ig watchdog she'd have just absorbed
the remark without thinking twice.  and that, even as an ig watchdog, she
missed the retraction until someone pointed it out to her.
=========================================================================
date:         thu, 3 aug 1995 08:32:13 -0700
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              dianne <dianne@uci.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         dianne <dianne@uci.edu>
subject:      re: a question....
x-to:         "fukui, glen m'bio" <glenf@microbio.lifesci.ucla.edu>
in-reply-to:  <301fcabb@smtpgate.lifesci.ucla.edu>

glen - i think amy smokes when she's on fire...

  o/~ are you on fire..from the years... what would you give for your kid
fears o/~

on wed, 2 aug 1995, fukui, glen m'bio wrote:

> a little while ago, i saw a post that impled that amy smokes (smoked?)....
>  is this true?
> or did i just completely misunderstand a joke....
>
=========================================================================
date:         thu, 3 aug 1995 12:59:39 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              indigosgtr@aol.com
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         nikki nahra <indigosgtr@aol.com>
subject:      newport legistics (important details!)

in a message dated 95-08-03 12:06:45 edt, you write:

>now, the shuttles dont run at 6 when the gates to the park open
>(the gates to the festival open around 10:30).

question # 1:  if the gates to the park open at 6am, but the festival gates
open at 10:30am, what's the point of going at 6?  are people gonna just be
waiting around for four and a half hours?  i mean, i'm planning on getting
*front*, and i'll get there as early as i need to, hopefully, but not earlier
than i _need_ to be, if ya' know what i mean :)

question # 2:  what *time* did we agree upon to meet as a list??  i know we
picked the corner to the right of the stage as you face it, but when???

question # 3:  another thing that might be nice (esp if we _do_ have to wait
around for 4hours!) is to hook up before we get in.  then, not only could we
have a group effort  of getting the best(!!) seats in the 'house', but we
could start gettin' to know each other beforehand, or catch up(for those of
you who are vets).  i figure we could use the sign thing again, and just
generally at the front, _right_ by the gate.  if not "list meet" , then, as
lorinda suggested, use code name............"pickle" <music to 'mission
impossible' kicks in>  .....or whatever, really, we could just have
"indigo--girls" signs, and they'd be no different from any enthused fan's
sign, *except* for the hyphen! (tricky, tricky)  you know, like our list's
address???

okay, so why don't we do that...put either one of these 3 things on the
sign--i'll make the arbitrary decision, if no one else will :)    my personal
fav is the last suggestion, so if i can manage one, that's what it will be,
but...

last thing!  (whew!...i know)  please let's make sure _some_body brings
signs, otherwise we'll be up a creek, if no one decides/remembers to.  it's
better to have more signs than necessary, than for everyone to assume the
*other* person's gonna bring one, and end up with none.  catch my drift??  i
don't mean to be paranoid, or anything, but it looks like i might very well
be the designated place-getter (which is fine by me...i'm
agressive--gggrrrr!), though i've never been to the area, and it'd be nice to
hook up with some people in a group.

alright, 'nough of that.  my apologies for going off again, but i might as
well get it all out in one post =)

look forward to seeing you all there!!!

ig's-n-guitars,
~nikki
=========================================================================
date:         thu, 3 aug 1995 13:14:37 edt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              "christopher m. becker" <cmbecker@space.mit.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "christopher m. becker" <cmbecker@space.mit.edu>
subject:      re: jcs in seattle
in-reply-to:  <pine.sun.3.91.950802082811.9093a-100000@case>; from "lucy
              richert" at aug 3, 95 7:53 am

>
> on mon, 31 jul 1995, paula laine wrote:
>
> [lots of great stuff about the jcs shows], and:
>
> >
> > a couple of newspaper type things. in a promo article appearing last week
> > something was written about the girls personal life that i beleive
> > is untrue. as it is personal in nature and most likely a big lie, i am
>                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> now that the times has retracted it i hope it's ok to post.  it's really
> more about sloppy journalism than igs.  in the course of a long article,
> most of which was taken from a phone interview with amy, there appeared
> this remark, re amy & emily: "they were, but are no longer, involved
> romantically."

imho lucy and paula handled this very delicate subject perfectly,
looking for confirmation, chasing down the facts.  chances are handled
the wrong way this would hae erupted into a flame war.  it didn't and
in my book both of you deserve a huge thank you for helping to keep
the list a nice place to be =).

                                -- chris

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mit center for space research                 upon the stars...."
cmbecker@space.mit.edu                           -- e. saliers

        http://www.mit.edu:8001/people/cmbecker/home.html     [my homepage]
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date:         thu, 3 aug 1995 13:41:14 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              misticwolf@aol.com
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         misticwolf@aol.com
subject:      re: a question....

from what i understand. amy tryed to quit smoking durning the honor the earth
tour.
and as a result of "trying to quit" she coughed her way threw an interview.
emily enjoys a cigar once in awhile too from what i read somewheres.
i hope this helps.... bye for now
mist
=========================================================================
date:         thu, 3 aug 1995 19:00:10 +0100
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              mr neil hunt <ph21nh@ph.surrey.ac.uk>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         mr neil hunt <ph21nh@ph.surrey.ac.uk>
subject:      amy and smoking...

hey :)

i seem to recall last time amy and i spoke (hey, that sounds cooler than it
really is...) she was saying something about having not smoked for two weeks...
this was a couple of days before glastonbury...

of course, i could have remembered this all wrong...

@}--,--'---


  neily :)            indigogirlsjellyfishdeaconblueedenburningtracychapmanaimee
   41 mountside        mannbeatlesbuddyhollydannywilsonbillyjoelshawncolvinmaria
    guildford           mckeefairgroundattractioneverlybrothersdelamitribandomd
     @}--,--'---         royorbisonjuliemillerjamroxettecarolekingandmanymore...
=========================================================================
date:         thu, 3 aug 1995 16:26:12 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              bkrbkr@aol.com
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "<maggie e. poulos>" <bkrbkr@aol.com>
subject:      re: who wants a place to stay?

lorinda:
i want the campsite:)  how many people?????  i have about 4....help
me!!!!!!!!
indigo forever,
maggie
( the #1 person that you want to help out:)
=========================================================================
date:         thu, 3 aug 1995 16:24:55 -0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              greg flamer <gflame@nwu.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         greg flamer <gflame@nwu.edu>
subject:      to those who like 4.5

just picked up my copy of 4.5 today.  obviously i love everything on it.
my question goes out to those who raved about how great it was etc.  ok now
i understand that many people are collectors and like to have everything
and anything by ig--that's fine.  i also understand that it was released in
the uk by epic to try and get more of a foreign fan base or something like
that--ok fine.  what i don't understand is why any big ig fan would like
this album.  it's just a cool mix of studio versions.  there's no new
songs, no live versions, no special acoustic versions.  it's the same old
stuff we all already have.  i guess i knew all of this before purchasing it
but still don't get why a few weeks ago people were like --oh i got 4.5 amd
it's awesome.   how is it awesome?  can someone who likes it please help me
justify to myself why i bought it.  thank you kindly.  take care

greg--who does way too much thinking :)

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* 819 forest ave.              mfm520@lulu.acns.nwu.edu  $
& apt. 2w                      gflame@nwu.edu            *
^ evanston, il  60202                                    &
*                                                        %
&  "...this world was meant for me, don't bury me,       +
+      carry me..."---indigo girls                       @
#                                                        *
!@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*%$
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date:         thu, 3 aug 1995 19:43:08 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              margaret clayton <maclayto@mhc.mtholyoke.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         margaret clayton <maclayto@mhc.mtholyoke.edu>
subject:      newport parking advice and cover tape update
in-reply-to:  <pine.sun.3.91.950803065712.22103a-100000@crl.crl.com>

another suggestion about newport parking:

if you don't want to deal with the shuttles, drop off all your friends
and your stuff at the gate and then drive to the parking place that's the
closest to the exit.  i did that last year and got out in under 10
minutes.

cover tape update:

unfortunately, the cover tape will not be ready for newport.  sorry!  i
was realy hoping that it would be but i'm still waiting for one song to
put on the tape.  :(  also, as this is probably quite illegal, i'd rather
not be giving them out at a show, if y'all know what i mean.

take care, i hope yo see everyone in newport!  i'll probably be wearing a
blue mount holyoke cap and jeans, so that should narrow it down to about
1,000 people that could be me.

adios,
margaret
=========================================================================
date:         thu, 3 aug 1995 16:53:36 -0600
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              sandersa@yvax.byu.edu
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         sandersa@yvax.byu.edu
subject:      jcs-a fairly long story
x-cc:         rain@byu.edu

well, hello all! now that everyone was looking forward to the jcs posts
stopping, i wake up and realize i need to tell my jcs story (i thought
you'd beat me to it linda..) relax, and have a dum-dum, and get
comfortable.

first, can i just say that me and linda made fools of ourselves (actually
it was kinda fun!) in line asking, "excuse me, are you on the indigo
girls internet mailing list?" (try saying that 50 times and then you'll
know how we felt...) trying to find 1) hallie, and 2)anyone else who was
there from here! we did find hallie, and she let us in on the inside
scoop (where to sit...). we also found someone else who was from seattle but
oh i can't remember her name...... jodi? well, hi jodi if that's your
name... anyone else, we missed because we didn't go down to the end of
the line again. anyway, we sat in the right spot, and amy passed right
by us!!!!!  within 2 feet!!!!!! neither me nor linda touched her, but
she grabbed my friend leah's hand.... and this after she (leah) made jokes
about tripping her.... anyway! the show was phenomenal. exquisite. emily
was beautiful, amy was moving, and as soon as i get paid, i'm buying the
soundtrack... after the show we hung around trying to mug someone with a
backstage pass, but it didn't work. we did get to chat with some
cast/band members who were extremely nice and gave us autographs
(we gave them dum-dums) including david patterson who was way cool. we
saw the vans pull out from the pass door, and i should report that emily
had shot-gun, and amy was sitting behind the driver. do you have
shot-gun in europe and elsewhere? i guess it's kind of a us thing... is
it? i don't mean to offend if it isn't.. it's the front seat..... you're
walking to the car, you say "shot-gun!!!!" and you get the front seat...
many rules apply, obviously all of which emily knows. since she got
shot-gun and all. anyway, i digress. we all piled into my friend's subaru
justy, 2 in front, 3 squished in the back seat, and 1 in the hatchback.
while hunting for a ig tape to play, we started singing galileo at the
top of our lungs. anyway, alysson, the driver, ran right through a red
light, had to swerve to miss cars/pedestrians and basically had a cow
while the rest of us obliviously kept singing away. except for susan in the
hatchback who saw the police car pull up behind us with lights going etc.
we all go completely silent while alysson gives her license to the cops
and tries to explain that her insurance papers are in the mail because
her mom gave her the car the day before (which is true btw), and how we
are going home from an indigo girls concert and she just got confused
about the intersection (she left out the galileo part), etc. the cops
return to their car, and we sit in complete silence. except me, who can't
help piping up with, "i guess we shouldn't offer him a dum-dum, huh?" and
promptly gets smothered... the cops come back, and inform us that we have
two choices. 1)get a ticket for running the light $66, and various other
things, ie. no seatbelts buckled, person in the hatchback... feasibly
adding up to over $200, or 2)sing them a indigo girls song. imagine our
relief and excitement. alysson immediately starts up with love will come to
you, and we all join in. they clapped for us and went us on our way. 15
minutes later were at hallie's telling the story, and me and linda look
at each other and say, "this'll make a great story for the list!!!!!!!"
and we all lived happily ever after. i hope. that's my story! thanks to
whoever read this far w/out deleting!!! have fun at newport, everyone whose
lucky enough to go!!!!!

rain at rain@byu.edu
"listen, call me immediately. we all need to do something crazy before we die."
wonder stuff *sniff they are no more!*
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date:         thu, 3 aug 1995 20:45:24 edt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              ms lorie a driscoll <dyqf47a@prodigy.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         ms lorie a driscoll <dyqf47a@prodigy.com>
subject:      no wonder they're taking a break

lucy wrote:
in the course of a long article, most of which was taken from a phone
interview with amy, there appeared
this remark, re amy & emily: "they were, but are no longer, involved
romantically."  my ears hurt just *imagining* what happened when a &
e saw
that.
====

all i have to say is:  why does it have to be so damn fascinating
that amy ray and emily saliers are lesbians?  why are writers
compelled to write this parenthetical "but not with each other" crap?
  it's condescending and trivializes the reason they were there in
the first place.

lately it seems to me that the word "lesbian" has replaced the
previous taboo little word "penis" for journalists and broadcasters.


grumbling....

lorie driscoll  dyqf47a@prodigy.com
indigoohio@aol.com


"... and i will not be a pawn ..."
e.s., prince of darkness
=========================================================================
date:         fri, 4 aug 1995 00:21:16 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              chrislic@aol.com
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         chrislic@aol.com
subject:      re: cover tape at newport

i'd love to pick up a copy from you at newport--details please(smile!!)
-christina
=========================================================================
date:         fri, 4 aug 1995 07:13:06 +0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              sharon jennings <rcxsj@unicorn.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         sharon jennings <rcxsj@unicorn.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk>
subject:      re: the first time

hi folks,

well someone wanted to hear stories of how people first heard the indigo
girls. i thought that the telling of my story would be appropriate now
since they will be playing at newport in two days time.

i'm a huge suzanne vega fan, so in 1992 i had some money saved and i was
owed some holiday time from work when i found out that suzanne was going to
be playing at the ben &jerrys' newport folk festival. i decided two weeks
before the festival that i wanted to go. i had always wanted to visit the
us  and also see suzanne play in the us because i've seen her play in a few
european countries but never in her own country. so i hopped on a plane. i
got to the festival and was given backstage passes for both days. the
festival director introduced me to suzanne and i spoke with her for a while
and had a photograph taken. i was over the moon as you can imagine! i also
got to see shawn colvin play because michelle shocked cancelled. i had a
great time and heard patty larkin, david wilcox, and iris dement for the
first time.

the indigo girls played on the sunday. that day it rained, and rained, and
rained, and rained........ and rained, and rained, and rained (you get the
general idea) all day. joan baez and mary chapin carpenter were to play
with a duo called the indigo girls. i really wanted to see mary chapin and
joan so i braved the rain and stayed all day. a lot of people went home
early because of the weather. i had spoken to amy earlier in the day
without realising who she was. if only i could have that time again! as we
were waiting for the "four voices in harmony" (indigo girls, joan and mary
chapin) to come on the crowd kept on shouting, "amy, emily" over and over
again. the atmosphere was electric. i figured i was in for a good set.

well i was blown away. it was wonderful to see joan and mary chapin play
but the indigo girls stole the show as far as i was concerned. i had never
even heard of them before that day. i was cold, tired and soaked to the
skin but i was etremely happy. my only complain was that they had to finish
early because the power blew on the stage. this was caused by the rain.
there was a loud bang and all the stage lights went out. the four on stage
looked at each other then put their guitars down and ran. i guess they
thought it wasn't a very good idea to be standing on a metal framed stage
with all the lightening <g>

when i got home to england i went out and bought "indigo girls" and "nomads
indians saints". i was so impressed that i then went out and bought "back
on the bus.." and "rites of passage". only a few months later i saw a
poster at my university for an indigo girls concert. i was so excited that
i was jumping up and down and cheering.  i couldn't believe that it was the
same duo. i ran and got ticket number one!! the woman  behind the counter
had never heard of them before. i then went on a mission trying to get all
the people on my degree course to go to the concert. i didn't think that i
would ever get to se them play in england let alone in my home town so that
concert was pretty special to me. since then i've seen them play fifteen
times. i went to all of the november dates with a group of friends that i
met at various concerts. we  were all  fans of suzanne vega, shawn colvin,
mary chapin carpenter, michelle shocked, melissa etheridge etc. then we
discovered that we were all indigo girls fans too so we decided to travel
together. we are all firm friends now and regularly have indigo girls
weekends up and down the country. these usually consist of drunken guiar
playing and singing.

so as you can guess i'm feeling really jealous of all you americans. i
would like to go to the newport festival again some time. maybe next year.
the indigo girls might have some new songs by then that they want to sing.
i hope that those of you who are going to the festival this weekend have a
really great time and that some of you post a review of their set.

i've just found out that i've been awarded a fulbright scholarship to
enable me to study in the usa for nine months. i'll be at furman
university, greenville, south carolina so it looks very likely that i will
be able to go to the festival next year, but knowing my luck the indigo
girls won't be playing next year.

sorry for rambling. it's friday evening (7.05 pm) and i'm still
working/slaving away in the laboratory. so there's my excuse. well my
reaction should be finished by now so take care y'all <g>

sharon


"i can't imagine having separate careers. my greatest fear is that it'll end."
                                                  emily saliers
               "my greatest fear is that emily has a fear that it'll end."
                                                     amy ray
=========================================================================
date:         fri, 4 aug 1995 17:51:09 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              margaret clayton <maclayto@mhc.mtholyoke.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         margaret clayton <maclayto@mhc.mtholyoke.edu>
subject:      re: jcs in seattle
x-to:         "christopher m. becker" <cmbecker@space.mit.edu>
in-reply-to:  <199508031714.naa30638@netspace.org>

> imho lucy and paula handled this very delicate subject perfectly,
> looking for confirmation, chasing down the facts.  chances are handled
> the wrong way this would hae erupted into a flame war.  it didn't and
> in my book both of you deserve a huge thank you for helping to keep
> the list a nice place to be =).
>
>                                 -- chris

amen.  we should all say "thank you for being mature" to those who kept
this from becoming a flame throwing receptacle.  (do it now, dammit!
no!!!  just kidding...  i've only been at work since 8:30am without a
lunch break.  hours away from newport!)

margaret
=========================================================================
date:         fri, 4 aug 1995 19:15:48 +0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              rain@pretend.com
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         keven shaw <rain@pretend.com>
subject:      amy and smoking...

quick question-- what does this have to do with anything?  re-- amy and
smoking?  just curious-- rain
=========================================================================
date:         fri, 4 aug 1995 17:09:47 -0700
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              michele summa <ivy2@ix.netcom.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         michele summa <ivy2@ix.netcom.com>
subject:      i have an idea....

since a lot of folks have been posting to the list, asking for
subscribing (or unsubscribing) information, why can't it be included at
the end of the posts like they were on ctf?  that seemed to eliminate a
lot of confusion and saved us from reading a bunch of posts that really
had no ig content.

any suggestions?

michele
=========================================================================
date:         fri, 4 aug 1995 17:21:00 pdt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              "fukui, glen m'bio" <glenf@microbio.lifesci.ucla.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "fukui, glen m'bio" <glenf@microbio.lifesci.ucla.edu>
subject:      ok, sorry....

before this goes any further,
i withdraw my question re:  amy and smoking....
i realize it's her business and not mine.
tanx to those who shared.

glen
=========================================================================
date:         sat, 5 aug 1995 09:13:46 -0700
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              laurie higgins <stompbox@ix.netcom.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         laurie higgins <stompbox@ix.netcom.com>
subject:      re: jcs-a fairly long story

............that's a funny story....i was laughing so hard i had
tears!!  where the cops female?  i would think that a large number of
female cops would also be ig fans... :)
=========================================================================
date:         sat, 5 aug 1995 10:27:01 -0600
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              sandersa@yvax.byu.edu
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         sandersa@yvax.byu.edu
subject:      re: jcs-a fairly long story
in-reply-to:  <199508051613.jaa22123@ix4.ix.netcom.com>

on sat, 5 aug 1995, laurie higgins wrote:
> ............that's a funny story....i was laughing so hard i had
> tears!!  where the cops female?  i would think that a large number of
> female cops would also be ig fans... :)

they weren't, actually! both men!

rain at rain@byu.edu
"listen, call me immediately. we all need to do something crazy before we die."
wonder stuff *sniff they are no more!*
=========================================================================
date:         sun, 6 aug 1995 03:12:18 +0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              rain@pretend.com
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         keven shaw <rain@pretend.com>
subject:      viva la diva

so, i haven't seen anyposts here about viva la diva in a little while..
so i figured i would post.. being that i know taht they are popular
amongst the crowd here on this list..   so, last week they played at the
midtown music hall, here in atlanta.. needless to say it was
incredible.. i've seen them play many times before, but there was an
incredible energy behind this performance.. i don't know what it was,
but the band and crowd were both extremely energized..  i don't know
their music well enough to know the titles to their songs, so i can't
give you a set list or anything.. i just know that it was incredible!!
oh yes, and i can't forget to mention-- the topless women in the crowd,
and the stage divers.. excellent!!!
       okay, so they played agian.. at the masquerade on friday.. i hate
to say this, but the show wasn't nearly as energized as the one at the
midtown music hall.. but agian we were treated to shirtless women, and
stage divers..
       so, they played tonite in charlotte-- anyone go?  the further
dates of viva include:
       thursday 10 aug darkhorse tavern, atlanta.
       thursday 17 aug, atomic cafe, athens. (18&older)
       fri 15 sept, howling wolf (new orleans) *tentative*
       sat 16 sept, sluggo's (pensacola, fl)
       tues 19 sept ace of clubs,(nashville, tn)

or check out the www site at http://monsterbit.com  there is now an
internet newsletter that will be coming out at various times.. get
yourself on the list, if you aren't...
       *for those of you who know all this, sorry to take up the
bandwith*

take care all-- rain.

                    [b
=========================================================================
date:         sun, 6 aug 1995 11:28:06 edt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              estler@bisco.kodak.com
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         estler@bisco.kodak.com
subject:      a few items for sale
x-cc:         searchme@earthlink.net

hi all,

a fellow that i purchase hard to find ig cds, etc. from has a few ig
items available.  i'm really only interested in the music stuff, so
i thought i'd pass this along to the group.

if you're interested in anything e-mail matthew at searchme@earthlink.net
(please do not e-mail me).

also, if there is something you are specifically looking for he may
be able to find it for you.

here's what he has:

> ig promo b&w photo 8x10 -the girls sitting on a curb in front of a grocery
> store  $5.99

> ig swamp ophelia pin -sez swamp ophelia on it, has flowers, about 1"x 2"
> $4.99

> ig rites of passage unused laminated (with clip) backstage pass     $11.99

thanks.


kim

estler@bisco.kodak.com
=========================================================================
date:         sun, 6 aug 1995 16:03:30 -0700
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              lucy richert <lucyr@cyberspace.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         lucy richert <lucyr@cyberspace.com>
subject:      re: jcs in seattle
in-reply-to:  <pine.3.89.9508041756.c1391-0100000@mhc.mtholyoke.edu>

on fri, 4 aug 1995, margaret clayton wrote:

> > imho lucy and paula handled this very delicate subject perfectly,
> > looking for confirmation, chasing down the facts.  chances are handled
> > the wrong way this would hae erupted into a flame war.  it didn't and
> > in my book both of you deserve a huge thank you for helping to keep
> > the list a nice place to be =).
> >
> >                                 -- chris
>
> amen.  we should all say "thank you for being mature" to those who kept
> this from becoming a flame throwing receptacle.

thank you both and i'm very glad my post was taken in the spirit in which
it was intended.  i confess to sweating this out a bit, as i really didn't
want to tread on forbidden ground but could see how what i wrote might
lead that way.  the whole statement/retraction incident struck me as a
cheap attempt to squeeze something easy and sensational out of two women
who don't really have anything easy or sensational about them.  and made
me realize the kind of casual nonsense amy and emily must have to deal
with every day--one of prices of fame, i guess, but it hurts to see it
happen to artists you care about.  especially when people on this list are
so scrupulous about keeping a&e's personal lives off-limits, to see the
subject blithely tossed around in a major newspaper story was pretty
galling.

the response here and the thoughtful e-mail i've received since de-lurking
have confirmed my already high opinion of the members of this list. thanks
again to all.

lucy,
realizing she might have to make one exception--did anyone ever hear from
brooke robertshaw?
=========================================================================
date:         sun, 6 aug 1995 21:00:06 -0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              "dwayne d. jarrell" <djarrell@glaci.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "dwayne d. jarrell" <djarrell@glaci.com>
subject:      a very unexpected jcs review

hey y'all!  :)

the local milwaukee newspaper (the journal sentinel) had a review of the ted
neely touring jcs which had a stop here last week.  the second column is of
particular interest:

        "but all hope isn't lost for "jcs."  the indigo girls (sic), an
atlanta folk-pop duo, came up with one of the more ambitious and interesting
revisions at a texas music convention last spring, one that went beyond the
gender-twist of a female jesus.
        "with a crowd of non-acting atlanta musicians from every genre of
music playing their instruments and emoting up a storm, the show was
unwieldy, uneven, and sloppy.  it also was warm, wild, raw, funny, touching,
irreverent, exuberant, and real.
        "in other words, nothing like the slick soulless, by-the-book
national touring production..."

it was nice to see that someone (imho) got the point.  :-)

this was, of course, reprinted without permission.  :)

hope newport was a blast.  take care.

:dwayne

dwayne jarrell (djarrell@ren.glaci.com)
"i don't want to come back down from this cloud
it's taken me all this time to find out what i need" - bush, "come down"
=========================================================================
date:         sun, 6 aug 1995 22:22:02 -0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              derek duncan <dld009@acad.drake.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         derek duncan <dld009@acad.drake.edu>
subject:      on the edge - ig cd?

hi all,

has anyone heard of an indigo girls cd called "on the edge"? supposed
to contain interview with songs.   i heard of this and had never heard
of it before.  just wondered if anyone had any information on this
cd.

also has anyone seen the ig screen saver?  i saw it described briefly
on the sony web page.  some thing to do with touch me fall.  anyone
seen it in stores yet?

thats all for now,
derek

*****************************************
*          derek duncan                 *
*      dld009@acad.drake.edu            *
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