lifeblood: listlogs: 1995-09e


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date:         tue, 26 sep 1995 17:13:15 -0700
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              "teresa c. esguerra" <sac83826@saclink1.csus.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "teresa c. esguerra" <sac83826@saclink1.csus.edu>
subject:      ig articles  in the mail...

sorry, i'm on a keyboard where the delete button sticks.  does that
explain the caps up above???

        i've sent out the ig articles to certain folksx in the past two
days.  off the top of my head, i've sent stuff out to jude, joan, jeff,
nancy, and samantha.  they should be arriving via snail by teh end of
this week.
        any body else who's sent me a sase, i haven't received anything,
but will check by  snail  mail box today.  jude will be scanning articles
to make them available to all others interested on the list.

peace to all.  that's it for now...

always was and always will be,
teri

"begin my studies with this paper and this pencil..."
                -emily
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date:         tue, 26 sep 1995 20:45:31 edt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              yen m tang <ymt2@lehigh.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         yen m tang <ymt2@lehigh.edu>
subject:      re: color me grey and lift
x-to:         lorinda wright <lw01@lehigh.edu>

>
>speaking of ellis paul, he's playing in my neck of the woods (imagine that!!)
>at a lil 'ol place called godfrey daniels in bethlehem, pa. on dec 6th. also
>at the same place will be dar williams on dec. 3rd. anyone interested in going
>should drop me a note, cuz i'll be there, and we can meet up.
>
>folkisgruven,
>lorindigo
>
hey l-
i think you got the dates mixed up. isn't ellis paul on dec 3 and dar williams
on dec 6? anyways, that's what i found on the folkbook web site.


yen m tang
ymt2@lehigh.edu

"what i won't give to have the things that mean
the most not to mean the things i miss."
    --e.s. "language or the kiss"
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date:         tue, 26 sep 1995 17:55:53 -0700
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              "letitia j. yao" <lyao@picasso.ucsf.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "letitia j. yao" <lyao@picasso.ucsf.edu>
subject:      jcs tape tree (fwd)

tape trees all over the place.  here's a copy of a message i posted this
summer.  as people now have their tapes (and say it's "awesome"), i'm
making this offer once again.

for anyone who still would like a copy of the jesus christ superstar
performance featuring amy and emily, recorded live at the austic
music hall, and broadcast on klbj, austin, in march of this year,  the
following people have kindly volunteered to make copies (in exchange for
blanks and sase, of course).  so that not everyone contacts the same
person, i've decided to split it up by birth month.  so, for instance,
if you were born on oct. 12, you would contact maggie and make
arrangements on how to get a copy from her.  each person gets 1.5 months,
in case you can't tell from my listing.

depending on the demand, perhaps some of these people would also
like to designate dubbers to take over.  i will leave it up to the
individual dubber to decide that.

jan - feb. 14           mjg             mjg333@aol.com
feb. 15 - march         jill frankel    jefrankel@ucdavis.edu
april - may 14          andrew vogel    vogelap@ucunix.san.uc.edu
may 15 - june           casey connor    chc1@cec.wustl.edu
july - aug. 14          howard barlow   howard.barlow@cdo.ssi1.com
aug 15 - sept           lynn torrey     74603.3513@compuserve.com
oct - nov. 14           maggie poulos   bkrbkr@aol.com
nov. 15 - dec.          contact me to get the address.

--------------------
letitia j. yao                           "anyone who lives in two worlds
dept. of pharmaceutical chemistry           at once is bound to lead
uc-san francisco                                 a complicated life."
lyao@picasso.ucsf.edu                                     --joanna russ
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date:         tue, 26 sep 1995 21:06:10 cst6cddt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              "michelle m. elliott" <melliott@student.uwsuper.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "michelle m. elliott" <melliott@student.uwsuper.edu>
organization: uw-superior
subject:      re: glad to be back...

hey all!

well, i am at my new school way up in the northlands and i finally
got a chance to rejoin the list.  how lovely to already have a box
full of messages.

can anyone tell me what is going on as far as impending releases from
ig?  like when is the new live cd coming, the watershed compilation
video, etc...thanks for any info...

well, i am glad to be back and to get the chance to catch up with old
friends (if you remember me!) and to make lots of new ones!

take care,

michelle (who used to be from eau claire, wisconsin)
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date:         tue, 26 sep 1995 22:59:25 -0700
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              "emily d. mark" <emark@chaph.usc.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "emily d. mark" <emark@chaph.usc.edu>
subject:      re: list of cds
x-to:         karen mcelhaney <km5@ornl.gov>
in-reply-to:  <199509261847.oaa28439@cosmail5.ctd.ornl.gov>

if you could, please let me know how you got a copy of complicated girls
and what exactly is on it. i would like to get a copy myslef.
                                thanks!
                                        emily
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date:         thu, 28 sep 1995 01:37:57 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              chris mcmahon <libcm@emory.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         chris mcmahon <libcm@emory.edu>
subject:      beer of choice
in-reply-to:  <9509241528.aa14188@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu>

   i drank many an ig bass ale from the hospitality table in 1992...
     -chris

                    visit
http://www.hidwater.com/rdr/milkenzie/m&khome.html
                    please
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date:         thu, 28 sep 1995 07:37:25 -24000
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              "judith k. hunter" <jhunter@rtc.gov>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "judith k. hunter" <jhunter@rtc.gov>
subject:      got the cover tape!

hey, got the master cover tape from margaret yesterday and started dubbing.
wow!  my compliments to the musical chef! the whole package is *very*
professionally done....

jude :-)
<who probably shouldn't be *asking* for more orders!>
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date:         thu, 28 sep 1995 01:50:01 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              chris mcmahon <libcm@emory.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         chris mcmahon <libcm@emory.edu>
subject:      venting
in-reply-to:  <9509250910.aa16646@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu>

   about the lack of mention of ig in rolling stone, mtv, etc.- don't
sweat it, y'all. every band that *was* mentioned is pushing an album or a
tour or both. i suspect that ig's publicists may be getting a little
vacation along with a&e...
     it's just bidness. not worth getting riled up about...
     -chris

                    visit
http://www.hidwater.com/rdr/milkenzie/m&khome.html
                    please
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date:         thu, 28 sep 1995 09:56:06 +0100
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              mts5@aber.ac.uk
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         matthew joseph smith <mts5@aber.ac.uk>
subject:      re: rookie lister
x-to:         horhay <gtuft@niu.edu>

>hey y'all
>
>i brand new to this jazz.
>i thought i was a true fan
>lord knows, my eyes were opened.
>
>you people know too much stuff.  how can i, a minor entity in the world og
>ig, become so knowledgable(is that how you spell that?)?  all i own are the
>big cd's, you know ig, sf, nis, rop, so, that stuff.  you all seem to have a
>wealth of information on a&e.
>
>i want it.  where is it?
>thanx for your time and have a pleasant(is that how you spell that???)
tomorrow.
>

it's simple.   just stay tuned.

matthew j. smith
mts5@aber.ac.uk
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date:         wed, 27 sep 1995 02:16:42 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              peter council followill <pfollow@emory.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         peter council followill <pfollow@emory.edu>
subject:      complicated girls

        forgive me if this has already been discussed, but what are the
opinions out there on the subject of bootleg discs?  i've seen numerous
mentions of complicated girls, which i understand to be an italian
"import".  i think all the comments i've read regarding this disc have
been positive.  usually when i hear mention of bootleg discs, it's
negative.  i think the reason for negative feelings towards bootleg discs
exists partly because they endanger fan taping policy; for example, phish
allows taping at shows for private use, but the existence of
bootleg/import discs means that someone has taped the show and sold it
for commercial use.  many bands threaten to eliminate audience taping
when they realize that someone is making a living marketing their live
shows.  i'm not too sure what ig's taping policy is; i'm
under the impression that they usually don't allow it.  please correct me
if i'm wrong.  anyhow, my question:  does anyone think that bootleg discs
are unethical (since the discs are unauthorized and the band does not
share in the profit made off of these recordings)?  i realize the
attraction of bootleg discs if they are the only source of live
performances, but does the fan's desire for the product negate any
ethical qualms?  i am interested in anyone's opinion.  thanks.
-pete

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
well why didn't you tell me that things had gotten this bad?/ i was off in
my own little world/ and i couldn't see through your tai chi/ that i was
being so sad.
                                                        -vic chesnutt

peter followill-> pfollow@emory.edu-> emory university-> atlanta,ga
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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date:         wed, 27 sep 1995 02:45:16 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              jo norvelle walker <jo@pluto.njcc.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         jo norvelle walker <jo@pluto.njcc.com>
subject:      re: your publication and the indigo girls...
x-to:         lorinda wright <lw01@lehigh.edu>

>although, at this point i could mention amy's 'baby, baby, baby' song, but
>that's different. :) (hey everyone, trivia question: 1) what's amy's favorite
>word? 2) name the above mentioned song, and 3) how many times does she say that
>word in the above mentioned song?)
><g>
>
>folkisgruven y'all,
>lorindigo


1. y'all?
2. walk away
3. more than i have toes

jo
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date:         wed, 27 sep 1995 10:13:06 +0100
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              mts5@aber.ac.uk
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         matthew joseph smith <mts5@aber.ac.uk>
subject:      re: uk promo cd...kindof an auction...
x-to:         mr neil hunt <ph21nh@ph.surrey.ac.uk>

>hey :):)
>
>ok, so there's a uk one track promo cd of 'closer to fine' for the withdrawn
>single earlier this year...it's housed in a recycled card sleeve with unique
>artwork...
>
>i may be able to get a few copies, so what i'll do, i'll invite 'blind' bids
>from people...so bid what you like, and then depending on how many i can get
>hold of (and for how much) then the highest bidders win :):) see??
>
>as a general guide, in this month's issue of record collector magazine, these
>are being offered for $15. oh, and bids are going to be inclusive of p+p :):)
>

so that's what happened to this year's release of "closer to fine"!!   any
idea why, anyone?   they released "least complicated" as a single in 1994.
did they withdraw that as well?

mat
mts5@aber.ac.uk
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date:         wed, 27 sep 1995 14:44:11 +0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              sharon jennings <rcxsj@unix.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         sharon jennings <rcxsj@unix.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk>
subject:      re: uk promo cd...kindof an auction...
x-to:         mr neil hunt <ph21nh@ph.surrey.ac.uk>

>>
>>so that's what happened to this year's release of "closer to fine"!!   any
>>idea why, anyone?   they released "least complicated" as a single in 1994.
>>did they withdraw that as well?
>>
>
>least complex wasn't withdrawn 'cos you could get it at any decent music
>store...
>
>closer to fine only made the promotional stage, and wasn't in any stores...
>there were three formats...
>
>one track promo in a recycled card case (matching the 4.5 promo...)
>
>and then promo copies of the planned two singles...
>closer
>mystery (acoustic)
>dead man's hill (acoustic)
>rockin in the free world (live)
>
>closer
>kid fears
>all along the watchtower (botby)
>left me a fool (botby)
>
>
>but!!
>i think it was sharon who posted that the single was back on the release
>sheets...don't know much myself, but....
>
>@}--,---'--
>
yes, it was me who posted that the single was back on the release sheets. i
don't have any more information about this but, i've heard that a second
single is going to be released... possibly "fugitive". however, i'm only
going to believe this when i actually see the singles in the record store.
don't hold your breath waiting for it to happen.

anyone know when the video is going to be released here in the uk? it is
going to be released, but when?

sharon

sharon. a. jennings
cancer research campaign laboratories
univesity of nottingham
university park
nottingham
ng7  2rd                   (0115) 9513408
england                (0115) 9513414  (fax)
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date:         wed, 27 sep 1995 20:30:49 edt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              shannon cassaday <daisyday@eden.rutgers.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         shannon cassaday <daisyday@eden.rutgers.edu>
subject:      re: ig equipment assessment
x-to:         indigo girls mailing list
              <indigo-girls%netspace.org@rutvm1.rutgers.edu>,
              sheri stanley <sstanley@infinet.com>
in-reply-to:  your message of mon, 25 sep 1995 12:16:00 edt

what is the issue of ag with indigos in it and where can i get it from? tahnks..
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date:         wed, 27 sep 1995 16:02:03 pdt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              monique barbanson <mhb@batnet.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         monique barbanson <mhb@batnet.com>
subject:      re: for guitarists only

since we're talking about pc and guitars: has anyone hooked up their
acoustic guitar to a computer via midi? what gear do you need to do this?

monique
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date:         wed, 27 sep 1995 19:52:18 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              smcgill818@aol.com
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         stephen mcgill <smcgill818@aol.com>
subject:      re: 1200 curfews

does anyone have an idea of what to expect on 1200 curfews?  what shows the
songs were taken from, etc.  thanks.
stephen
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date:         wed, 27 sep 1995 20:29:23 edt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              shannon cassaday <daisyday@eden.rutgers.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         shannon cassaday <daisyday@eden.rutgers.edu>
subject:      re: list of cds
x-to:         indigo girls mailing list
              <indigo-girls%netspace.org@rutvm1.rutgers.edu>,
              karen mcelhaney <km5@ornl.gov>
in-reply-to:  your message of tue, 26 sep 1995 14:47:01 -0400

if anyone has info of all available bootlegs of the girls or where i can
attain them, email me now, please... have a dandy day!
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date:         wed, 27 sep 1995 21:06:01 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              tami waters <imat39@mail.cyconx.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         tami waters <imat39@mail.cyconx.com>
subject:      re: house at pooh corner (cover tape)
x-to:         margaret clayton <maclayto@mhc.mtholyoke.edu>

hi there,

my all time favourite song is house at pooh corner...
do the ig's really perform it?
please tell me where i can find it!!!!!
thx.
tami


>hey.  i've recently been informed that several people who have the shades
>of indigo cd do not have house at pooh corner on it, as i had cited in
>the "credits" for the cover tape.
>
>so, i have no idea where this copy of house at pooh corner came from!
>
>margaret
>
>
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date:         wed, 27 sep 1995 21:13:55 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              william norris <wnorris@soulcage.inmind.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         william norris <wnorris@soulcage.inmind.com>
subject:      all these auctions

hey y'all,

i have mixed feelings about all these auctions that have been coming over
the line in the last few months.  primarily, they make me sad and
nostalgic for the old days of the list when it was taboo to make a profit
off of fellow list-members and the ig's work.  tapes were freely traded,
and if someone had a copy of a rare promo or indie release that they
didn't want anymore, they sold it for cost plus postage.

it is depressing to see people (and this is a strong choice of words)
exploit other fans for profit.  sure, you'd pay a premium for these items
at a record fair or from goldmine, but an auction drives prices above
these premiums.  and, sure, you could argue economic theory about
capitalism and free markets, and blah, blah, blah.  but, one of the
wonderful things about the environment created at an indigo girls show is
a feel for community and all encompassing participation.  these womyn
tour with $10 (and even $7) tickets.  i think they'd be angry to see
people selling four song promo cd's for tons of money.

call me the last of the hippies and flame away if you want, but it's how
i feel.

peace,
bill

formerly wnorris@drew.drew.edu
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date:         wed, 27 sep 1995 15:11:06 -0700
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              julie meloni <dmon@hidwater.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         julie meloni <dmon@hidwater.com>
subject:      ig auction update #3 9/27
x-to:         anb038@casbah.acns.nwu.edu, tracyb1101@aol.com, grebe+@cmu.edu,
              gogirrrl@aol.com, maclayto@mhc.mtholyoke.edu, gre1440@aol.com,
              ddavies5@mailhost.pd4.ford.com, jlerner@leland.stanford.edu,
              espizz@simons-rock.edu, llevy03@emory.edu,
              doobie@student.umass.edu

[sent to ig list also.  bidding closes at noon pst 9/29/95]

current bids:
---------------------------------------------------

club r&r cd                                     $60 (erica)
shades of indigo purple cd                     $35 (dave)
joking maxi-cd single with                      $10 (renee)
        joking, ctf, and kid fears (all studio)
green, signed swamp ophelias                 $20 (dave)
                                                     $15  (lori)
                                                     $11 (gogirrrl)
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date:         wed, 27 sep 1995 20:37:05 -0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              steven grandt <granstet@david.wheaton.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         steven grandt <granstet@david.wheaton.edu>
subject:      jcs
in-reply-to:  <199509271915.paa84227@ns4-1.cc.lehigh.edu> from "lorinda wright"
              at sep 27, 95 03:15:36 pm

hey everyone,
i have a couple of questions about the girls' parts on jcs--i don't have
the credits to the songs (just a copy from a friend) and i was wondering
if either emily or amy play guitar on any of the songs, and if so...when
they performed it live did they play along and sing ( i just can't
picture amy aka jesus with her black martin at the beginning of
gethsemane) or did someone else play.  also--if anyone has the tab for
the funky main riff at the beginning, i would love to have it.  it is
lacking from the music at the nevada ftp site.
thanks,
steve
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date:         wed, 27 sep 1995 19:00:28 -0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              sara krausert <2ap8krausert@vmsa.csd.mu.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         sara krausert <2ap8krausert@vmsa.csd.mu.edu>
subject:      let's try this again ...

hi y'all! i sent one of those "disappearing ink" messages a few days ago, so
i'll try it again. my purpose was just to introduce myself: i'm a student at
marquette university in milwaukee, wisconsin, majoring in journalism and
english. i've been an ig fan since high school, when a very enlightened friend
gave me "nomads indians saints" for my birthday. that is still one of my
favorite albums. i have all their legitimate releases, but no boots yet. :-( i
can't wait for "1200 curfews"! let's see: favorite songs ... i don't dislike
any of their songs, but here are some favorites offhand: "ghost," "kid fears,"
"keeper of my heart," "least complicated," and "welcome me". i'm really glad i
found this list -- talk to y'all later!

sara krausert
2ap8krausert@vms.csd.mu.edu
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date:         wed, 27 sep 1995 19:27:08 -0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              casey connor <chc1@cec.wustl.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         casey connor <chc1@cec.wustl.edu>
subject:      bury my heart update & partial chords

ok, mucho interest there. thanks to all who informed me that it will be
on cover me grey, but since i won't get that for a little while, i'll be
getting most of the lyrics from someone who has the album, hopefully.

i may write to list for specific ig versions of the lyrics (i assume the
buffy s.m. version doesn't mention leonard peltier, for instance, right?
or maybe it could... whatever...)

i will post whenever i'm done (which may be like a million years from
now, but hopefully not... :-) )

for those who play and can figure it out if given a head start, here's
the preliminary stuff:

the "spoken/sung" loose intro thing is:

with emily:
"indian legislations's......left of the reservations"
d a d g a d bm g a bm g a
  ^
  this may be g, i can't remember...

when amy comes in:
"i learned to follow...but it's reality"
a bm a bm a bm bm bm

chorus:
"bury my heart at wounded knee"
d c g g (x4)

"they got these energy companies...give our land to <something>..."
a bm a bm a bm bm bm

chorus
/ad infinitum/...

for the end part, it pretty much modulates between dm and c with (i
think) a steady d in the bass...thus the slight disonance.

also, to help the singers get started, the emily part starts at a d with
"ind" and goes to the a under that for "ian legislation's on the"...

i can't figure out if the "at wounded" part of the chorus is sung on a b
or a c before sliding back up to the d for "knee". of course, i haven't
really tried to figure it out yet...


later,

/~~ /~\ /~\ |~ \ /
|   |_| \-\ |-  |
\__ | | \_/ |_  |
=========================================================================
date:         wed, 27 sep 1995 20:42:12 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              "lori h. levy" <llevy03@emory.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "lori h. levy" <llevy03@emory.edu>
subject:      ferron web site/tour dates (minimal igc)

i'm forwarding this from the rec.music.folk newsgroup.  sorry if this is
a duplication.

:)
lori

*********************forwarded message*************************

hi everyone,

check out the new ferron web site at

http://ferronweb.com/

ferron's going to be touring this fall with the
phantom center release.

there are a few sound files on this web site. be
sure to hear the song "stand up", because the
indigo girls are doing superb background vocals on it.
there is also an online catalog if you want to fill out
your ferron collection. all purchases go directly to the artist.

ferron also has an article in the latest out magazine, which
can be found online at

http://www.out.com/out/9510/ferron.html

ticket info for the san francisco show can be found at
(415) 924-jrtx

questions:   ferronfan@aol.com

please spread the word!


--kelly
-------------------------------------------------------
phantom center tour 1995
date            city/state              venue

10-08-95        seattle, wa             the backstage

10-12-95        des moines, ia          drake university

10-14-95        nashville, tn           roy acuff theater, opryland

10-15-95        charleston, wv          mountain stage

10-16-95        wxpn radio live         world cafe 2:00pm

10-17-95        philadelphia, pa        keswick theater

10-19-95        new york, ny            the bottom line

10-22-95        charlottesville, va     culbreth hall

10-23-95        alexandria, va          the birchmere

10-26-95        manchester, ct          cheney hall

10-27-95        boston, ma              sommerville theatre
10-28-95        northhampton, ma        first church of northhampton

10-30-95        pittsburgh, pa          regent theater

10-31-95        pontiac, mi             seventh house

11-01-95        chicago, il             park west

11-02-95        lawrence, ks            liberty theatre

11-04-95        boulder, co             boulder theater

11-05-95        albuquerque, nm         kimo theater

11-09-95        los angeles, ca         troubadour

11-10-95        santa barbara, ca       victoria theatre

11-11-95        watsonville, ca         the mellow center theatre

11-12-95        san francisco, ca       palace of fine arts
=========================================================================
date:         tue, 26 sep 1995 19:06:34 -0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              alycia n broz <anb038@nwu.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         alycia n broz <anb038@nwu.edu>
subject:      re: ::eeerie::
x-to:         dianne <dianne@uci.edu>

>is it just my mailbox, or are the last few group messages being sent in
>invisible ink?
>

definitely invisible ink -- don't you have your decoder marker?
a
=========================================================================
date:         thu, 28 sep 1995 10:40:17 +0100
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              mts5@aber.ac.uk
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         matthew joseph smith <mts5@aber.ac.uk>
subject:      why do we always get our letters back?

re:  the "invisible ink" debate.   i've never had this problem, but there is
another gripe i've got with the mailing list:  the fact that we always get
our letters back.   if we use a prog like eudora it stores them in the out
list anyway.   sysops- why this waste of disk space?

matthew j. smith
mts5@aber.ac.uk
=========================================================================
date:         wed, 27 sep 1995 22:13:27 -0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              "l-soft list server at netspace.org (1.8b) (by way of
              anb038@nwu.edu alycia n broz)" <listserv@netspace.org>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "l-soft list server at netspace.org (1.8b) (by way of
              anb038@nwu.edu alycia n broz)" <listserv@netspace.org>
subject:      message ("the distribution of your message dated tue, 26...")

the distribution of your message dated  tue, 26 sep 1995 19:06:34 -0500 with
subject "re: ::eeerie::" has been  postponed because the daily message limit
for the indigo-girls list (50) has been exceeded. no action is required from
you;  your message  will be  reprocessed automatically  once the  list owner
releases the list.

just thought i'd pass this on -- this must have been what happened to our
"phantom messages" last week.
alycia
=========================================================================
date:         wed, 27 sep 1995 23:47:58 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              "m. brooke robertshaw" <water@randomc.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "m. brooke robertshaw" <water@randomc.com>
subject:      re: ig on the irc
x-to:         bertin lefkovic <indigboy@eden.rutgers.edu>
in-reply-to:  <cmm-ru.1.5.812213944.indigboy@er5.rutgers.edu>

okay, so i gotta say something.. i just saw berts post about the indigo
girls cahnnel on irc.. no, we dont' talk about the girls a lot.. sheesh
with all the time i and others spend there could you imagine talking
about ig??? sheesh.. just like in real life we have all made friends b/c
of our liking of the indigo girls we have done the same thing on irc.. we
all came together b/c of our liking and then it has developed into
more... we are a pretty tight knit bunch, but we are *very* friendly..
and please feel free to bring the girls up.. they are definetly not a
subject we don't want to talk about..  *hugs and *smiles** to everyone..
*hugs to everyone on irc* :))) water aka yak, yakkie, gauley, keeney, etc..


________________________________________________________________________


        "court was in session.. there you were.. showing off your
     pedigree.. or where you just slumming.. shall i invoke destiny.."
                     -cooper seay
=========================================================================
date:         thu, 28 sep 1995 06:12:00 -0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              "dwayne d. jarrell" <djarrell@glaci.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "dwayne d. jarrell" <djarrell@glaci.com>
subject:      and the winner is....

hey!

well, i certainly received a good number of responses to my offer of
complicated girls.  but i have (quite easily) narrowed it down to one
person.  it's pretty hard not to give it to the person who was crazy enough
to send me her picture to show me how cute she is.  :-)  so the complicated
girls cd is going to pamela shaw!  (of course, in this crazy sweepstakes,
you actually have to pay for your prize - it's like on of those great deals
that comes on a postcard in the mail. :)

thanks to all who sent me mail.

oh, and a few people asked what cg is, ao i will give a quick description.
it is the latest ig import live cd (this means bootleg :).  it has tracks
from the glastonbury (sp.?) festival in england, the acoustic xmas show in
nyc and the philly show from last year.  england and philly are with the
band, and it has 'bury my heart at wounded knee' (incredible song!) and
'midnight train to georgia' for cover tunes.  and i really like it.

well, i really gotta run.  pamela, i will be emailing you directly
concerning the cd, but i don't have time now.

:dwayne

dwayne jarrell (djarrell@ren.glaci.com)
"don't fool yourself into thinking things are simple
nobody's lying and still the stories don't line up"
- ani difranco
=========================================================================
date:         thu, 28 sep 1995 09:35:56 cdt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              naz <nazman@iastate.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         naz <nazman@iastate.edu>
subject:      re: heroin references
x-to:         "jean m. bardin" <jmbardin@mailbox.syr.edu>
in-reply-to:  your message of "tue, 26 sep 1995 17:44:55 edt."
              <pine.sol.3.91.950926174148.854b-100000@forbin.syr.edu>

>hi-
>        i'm new to the list and i saw all of the discussion about
>possible heroin references in ig songs.  am i the only one who thinks
>"the horse drawn on my arm, standing for an addiction" in "keeper of my
>heart" is about heroin?  horse is a slang term for the drug.
>
>-jean

hi jean, hi all!

i think you're right about it being another layer of metaphor, but it
doesn't seem to be directly about heroin... after all, the horse,
standing for heroin, in the song is itself standing for yet another
addiction...

way to layer references, amy!

naz
=========================================================================
date:         thu, 28 sep 1995 13:48:27 +0100
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              mr neil hunt <ph21nh@ph.surrey.ac.uk>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         mr neil hunt <ph21nh@ph.surrey.ac.uk>
subject:      igs and stipe cd...
x-to:         asl@gandalf.umcs.maine.edu

hey :)

someone told me that 'under the moonlight' was mastered all wrong, i mean
at the wrong speed, so it sounds reeeeaaalalllllllyyy sssslllooowwww when
you play it...might be worth a listen first to see if you can handle that...

right?? or no...

@}--,--'--

  neily :)            indigogirlsjellyfishdeaconblueedenburningtracychapmanaimee
   41 mountside        mannbeatlesbuddyhollydannywilsonbillyjoelshawncolvinmaria
    guildford           mckeefairgroundattractioneverlybrothersdelamitribandomd
     @}--,--'---         royorbisonjuliemillerjamroxettecarolekingandmanymore...
=========================================================================
date:         thu, 28 sep 1995 10:52:47 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              margaret clayton <maclayto@mhc.mtholyoke.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         margaret clayton <maclayto@mhc.mtholyoke.edu>
subject:      cover tape ready (last announcement for a while)

if you are from canada:  if you are able to send me a sase that i can use
to send a copy of the cover tape back to you, then you should join the
general tape tree.  if you cannot, then you should join the international
tape tree (i.e., contact me).  the same applies to anyone else who is
overseas (in case you have a bunch of us postage sitting around or
something...  :) )

if you are a cancer:  i did not forget you in the list; you should
contact me.
------------------------------------------------------------------------

       well, believe it or not, the cover tape is finally ready!!

what:  cover me grey (title by greg flamer, rock on) is a compilation of
songs that ig have covered and not recorded (with one exception).  it was
put together for pleasure, not profit.  i will be posting this exact
message periodically over the next few weeks.  it has a wicked cool
insert (grey paper--get it?) with artwork designed by ig fans as well as
the lyrics to all the songs included on the tape.  the songs are:

side a
american tune (autzen stadium, eugene, or, 8/22/93)
love of the common people (reverse-1)
cortez the killer (the palace, new haven, ct, 4/24/95, with michelle malone)
summertime (athens music festival, athens, ga, 9/25/88, with michael stipe)
bury my heart at wounded knee (radio 1, england, 6/23/95, no band)
bartender's blues (central park, ny, ny, 9/20/92, with sara lee)
water is wide (club r&r)
wild horses (the palace, new haven, ct, 4/24/95, with michelle malone)
thin line (the backyard (soundcheck), austin, tx, 9/1/94)
melissa (shades)

side b
wild, wild party at the loquat tree (put on your green shoes)
southern man (radio city music hall, ny, ny, 6/28/94, with cooper tisdale
        and kristen hall)
house at pooh corner (shades)
daddy's all gone (shades)
river (toad's place, new haven, ct, 12/9/90)
hairshirt (athens music festival, athens, ga, 9/25/88)
the weakness in me (live at san francisco epic promo--awesome)
down by the river (live at san francisco promo--awesome)
mona lisas and mad hatters (reverse-1)
midnight train to georgia (the palace, new haven, ct, 4/24/95, with gail
        andorsey and jimmy descant)
finlandia (the pier, seattle, wa, 8/17/94, with caroline aiken)


some of the songs on this tape are versions that are to die for.  some
are not.  :)  i did the best i could, listening to sometimes 8 different
versions of a song trying to decide which one to use.  i am pleased to
say that there is only one song that, to me, is not extremely good
quality.  this is a bootleg project, though, so don't complain about the
quality of the tape unless you feel that this disclaimer is misleading.  :)


how to get one:  to get a copy of cover me grey, send $5 and a sase to
the appropriate branch of the tape tree (to be discussed below).  the $5
is to cover the cost of the blank tape (maxell xl ii high bias) and the
cost of the *insert* that goes in it.  the sase (a self-addressed, stamped
envelope) is to make the branches' lives easier.  the tape will be sent to
you in the sase that you send your branch, so you probably want to either
send a padded envelope or include packing materials (like newspaper).

if you live outside the united states:  send me private email and we will
work out a trade.  you will not be using the branches from the tape tree,
you will get your tape directly from me.

all profits, if any, will be donated to an organization which works to
reclaim and protect the rights of native americans.

ok..  the tape tree is being done by sign.  :)  so, scroll down until you
find your sign and then contact your branch to get his or her real life
address so that you can send him or her your $5 and sase.  i matched the
signs of the branches with who they're dubbing for, so you're virtually
guaranteed not to hate your branch.  (they're also all really cool dudes!)

if you are an aquarius (1/20-2/18), contact:
jude hunter
jhunter@rtc.gov

if you are a gemini (5/21-6/20), contact:
greg kemp
gkemp@ces.clemson.edu

if you are a sagittarius (11/22-12/21), contact:
joan ferguson
joan_ferguson@harvard.edu

if you are a taurus (4/20-5/20), contact:
pamela shaw
sparkle@primenet.com

if you are a leo (7/23-8/22), contact:
brian colwell
brian@pas.rochester.edu

if you are a libra (9/23-10/22), contact:
mike bunch
mrbcom@earthlink.net

if you are a virgo (8/23-9/22), contact:
martine o'keeffe
okeeffe@lclark.edu

if you are an aries (3/21-4/19), contact:
alan fleming
daflemi@lookout.ecte.uswc.uswest.com

if you are a pisces (2/19-3/20), contact:
deanna newcomb
deanna@dcez.com

if you are a scorpio (10/23-11/21) or a cancer (6/21-7/22), contact:
margaret clayton
maclayto@mhc.mtholyoke.edu

if you are a capricorn (12/22-1/19), contact:
carol jones
jone3176@saintmarys.edu

also, when contacting your branch, make absolutely sure that the subject
line of your message contains the words cover tape (so that the branch
reads it promptly).  i sent this message to the tape tre branches and
cc'ed it to the list, so you should be able to reply directly to your
branch.  please delete all of the other addresses, as most of us don't
want to know that you want a copy of the cover tape (nothing personal).
please do not send requests for the cover tape to the list.  if you forget
who your branch is please wait and i will repost this message in a couple
of days.

well, i think that's it.  if there's anything that i forgot or if you
have any questions, please feel free to send me private email and i will
get back to you.  if i forgot something that warrants another posting to
the list i will do so.  thanks!!!!!

margaret
=========================================================================
date:         thu, 28 sep 1995 11:11:39 edt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              shannon cassaday <daisyday@eden.rutgers.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         shannon cassaday <daisyday@eden.rutgers.edu>
subject:      re: vent.......venting......vented
x-to:         indigo girls mailing list
              <indigo-girls%netspace.org@rutvm1.rutgers.edu>,
              bertin lefkovic <indigboy@eden.rutgers.edu>
in-reply-to:  your message of tue, 26 sep 1995 18:07:22 edt

amen
=========================================================================
date:         thu, 28 sep 1995 11:48:05 edt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              lorinda wright <lw01@lehigh.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         lorinda wright <lw01@lehigh.edu>
subject:      ack: re: color me grey and lift
x-to:         yen m tang <ymt2@lehigh.edu>

acknowledgement of message.
=========================================================================
date:         thu, 28 sep 1995 16:52:17 +0100
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              mts5@aber.ac.uk
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         matthew joseph smith <mts5@aber.ac.uk>
subject:      re: all these auctions
x-to:         william norris <wnorris@soulcage.inmind.com>

>  these womyn tour with $10 (and even $7) tickets.  i think they'd be angry
to see people selling four song promo cd's for tons of money.
>
>call me the last of the hippies and flame away if you want, but it's how
>i feel.
>
>peace,
>bill
>
>formerly wnorris@drew.drew.edu
>

sure bill - but why "womyn"?   neither amy nor emily have ever struck me as
mad feminist diesel-dykes before.   d'you think they'd be calling themselves
"girls" if they were?

mat
mts@aber.ac.uk
=========================================================================
date:         thu, 28 sep 1995 16:55:29 +0100
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              mts5@aber.ac.uk
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         matthew joseph smith <mts5@aber.ac.uk>
subject:      re: jcs
x-to:         steven grandt <granstet@david.wheaton.edu>

>hey everyone,
>i have a couple of questions about the girls' parts on jcs--i don't have
>the credits to the songs (just a copy from a friend) and i was wondering
>if either emily or amy play guitar on any of the songs, and if so...when
>they performed it live did they play along and sing ( i just can't
>picture amy aka jesus with her black martin at the beginning of
>gethsemane) or did someone else play.  also--if anyone has the tab for
>the funky main riff at the beginning, i would love to have it.  it is
>lacking from the music at the nevada ftp site.
>thanks,
>steve
>

too right!   have you ever tried putting your hands together and praying
while strumming a guitar?

matthew
mts@aber.ac.uk
=========================================================================
date:         thu, 28 sep 1995 11:53:17 edt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              lorinda wright <lw01@lehigh.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         lorinda wright <lw01@lehigh.edu>
subject:      re: color me grey and lift
x-to:         yen m tang <ymt2@lehigh.edu>

corrections from yen:
>>
>>speaking of ellis paul, he's playing in my neck of the woods (imagine that!!)
>>at a lil 'ol place called godfrey daniels in bethlehem, pa. on dec 6th. also
>>at the same place will be dar williams on dec. 3rd. anyone interested in going
>>should drop me a note, cuz i'll be there, and we can meet up.

>hey l-
>i think you got the dates mixed up. isn't ellis paul on dec 3 and dar williams
>on dec 6? anyways, that's what i found on the folkbook web site.


sounds good to me. i was posting this based on memory, which as we know is the
first thing to go. :) it doesn't really matter to me, cuz i'll be at both
shows, and i'd love to meet up with anyone else who's going. i don't know much
about ellis paul, (help me out here, phil) but dar williams is amazing, and
_hysterical_. i saw her last winter in philly, and i was _really_ impressed.

folkisgruven,
lorindigo

lorinda wright           "learn to pretend there's more than love that
lw01@lehigh.edu           matters. -e.s.
lehigh university
bethlehem, pa
                         "a ghost of comfort, angel's breath to keep this
                          life inside my chest." -a.r.
=========================================================================
date:         thu, 28 sep 1995 17:04:12 +0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              sharon jennings <rcxsj@unix.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         sharon jennings <rcxsj@unix.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk>
subject:      re: igs and stipe cd...
x-to:         mr neil hunt <ph21nh@ph.surrey.ac.uk>

>hey :)
>
>someone told me that 'under the moonlight' was mastered all wrong, i mean
>at the wrong speed, so it sounds reeeeaaalalllllllyyy sssslllooowwww when
>you play it...might be worth a listen first to see if you can handle that...
>
>right?? or no...
>
>@}--,--'--
>
>  neily :)

i have a tape version which i bought at a record fair in glasgow. the show
and the extra tracks are fine but the radio ad that michael recorded to
promote the show is really slow.

sharon

sharon. a. jennings
cancer research campaign laboratories
univesity of nottingham
university park
nottingham
ng7  2rd                   (0115) 9513408
england                (0115) 9513414  (fax)
=========================================================================
date:         thu, 28 sep 1995 12:45:54 -0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              jones <jone3176@saintmarys.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         jones <jone3176@saintmarys.edu>
subject:      pushin' the needle on shades of indigo

ok..ever since this conversation started, i have wanted to go back and
listen to the conversation part on shades of indigo right before amy
sings pushin' the needle.  so...here it is.  sc=shawn colvin ar=amy ray...

ar:pushin' the needle too far kind of deals with alienation and numbing
ourselves to things in general and using drugs as an analogy.

sc:so, the needle in this case is the actual needle...you know what i
thought of when you said that.

ar:well, it's that too.  it's supposed to be both.  it's supposed to be a
meter and like, an iv...but it's..um...only a symbol..it's not like the
needle and the damage done or something like that..it's actually just
a symbolic line for scenarios that i paint from my life that have been
alienating situations to me where people have not treated other people as
humans...so that's kinda...

sc:where people have not treated other people as humans...

ar:yeah, sorta like where you dehumanize things so you don't have to deal
with them..


then amy busts into the song...
so..there it is, straight from the source herself...

take it however you want...

carol
jone3176@saintmarys.edu.
=========================================================================
date:         thu, 28 sep 1995 12:58:00 -500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              mark allen hershner <s1006022@cedarnet.cedarville.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         mark allen hershner <s1006022@cedarnet.cedarville.edu>
subject:      re: glad to be back... -reply

i just joined the list for the first time yesterday and you are the
first one to send me indigo mail.  welcome back.
=========================================================================
date:         thu, 28 sep 1995 13:03:00 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              michael reynolds <asl@gandalf.umcs.maine.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         michael reynolds <asl@gandalf.umcs.maine.edu>
subject:      re: igs and stipe cd...
in-reply-to:  <14976.199509281248@ph.surrey.ac.uk> from "mr neil hunt" at sep
              28, 95 01:48:27 pm

my cd runs fine....i might be a bit biased but it isn't slower at all, maybe
i got a good one....;-)
mike r.
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date:         thu, 28 sep 1995 14:02:10 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              joan ferguson <joan_ferguson@harvard.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         joan ferguson <joan_ferguson@harvard.edu>
subject:      re: ig articles  in the mail...
x-to:         "teresa c. esguerra" <sac83826@saclink1.csus.edu>

>        i've sent out the ig articles to certain folksx in the past two
>days.  off the top of my head, i've sent stuff out to jude, joan, jeff,
>nancy, and samantha.  they should be arriving via snail by teh end of
>this week.

thanks!!! looking forward to seeing them!

joan

                      joan_ferguson@harvard.edu
            harvard university library preservation office
"instead of loving your enemies,treat your friends a little better."
                      -edgar watson howe (1853-1937)
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date:         thu, 28 sep 1995 14:08:33 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              william norris <wnorris@soulcage.inmind.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         william norris <wnorris@soulcage.inmind.com>
subject:      re: heroin references
in-reply-to:  <pine.sol.3.91.950926174148.854b-100000@forbin.syr.edu> from
              "jean m. bardin" at sep 26, 95 05:44:55 pm

>
> hi-
>         i'm new to the list and i saw all of the discussion about
> possible heroin references in ig songs.  am i the only one who thinks
> "the horse drawn on my arm, standing for an addiction" in "keeper of my
> heart" is about heroin?  horse is a slang term for the drug.

metaphor again.  an addictive relationship compared to heroin
addiction....the previous lines are, "for you/i would tattoo me/with
lines crossing into a hand/and a heart that would never bleed/..."


>
> -jean
>

peace,
bill
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date:         thu, 28 sep 1995 14:10:27 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              joan ferguson <joan_ferguson@harvard.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         joan ferguson <joan_ferguson@harvard.edu>
subject:      re: help
x-to:         rob_sticka@ccmail.gsfc.nasa.gov

>victoria,
>
>i am the originator of the indicated ii tape.  i will be happy to make you
>another copy.  send $3 to:
>
>rob sticka
>5415 broadwater lane
>clarksville, md  21029
>
>i wasn't involved in the original indicated but i do have a copy.  indicated is
>about 40 minutes of music and is of somewhat poor quality.  if you want a copy
>of my copy, include another $3.
>
>rob

hi, i'm not victoria, but i saved this post 'cause i'm interested, too.  do
you want an sase with that $3, or does that include postage, too?

thanks!  joan

                      joan_ferguson@harvard.edu
            harvard university library preservation office
"instead of loving your enemies,treat your friends a little better."
                      -edgar watson howe (1853-1937)
=========================================================================
date:         thu, 28 sep 1995 13:24:38 cdt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              naz <nazman@iastate.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         naz <nazman@iastate.edu>
subject:      re: vent.......venting......vented
in-reply-to:  your message of "wed, 27 sep 1995 10:10:10 bst."
              <199509270910.faa19973@netspace.org>

hi matthew, hi all...

>sure, eric, but you know what happened to all those hippie types who were so
>socially-concerned in the 60s and 70s?   like neil young and bob dylan?
>they ended up getting all reactionary and xenophobic during the reagan era,
>playing benefit gigs for the poor hard-bitten american farmer and singing

maybe i'm missing the point here... what's reactionary about benefit
gigs for the poor hard-bitten american farmer?

>reactionary songs like neil young's "nothing is perfect" which thankfully
>never got released.   admittedly "circumstances" have landed the ig's in the

now i'm curious... i wonder if neil wasn't being sarcastic (it would be
so unlike him |])  ...possibly not, of course, it's hard to tell since
it wasn't released... i'd be interested in seeing the lyrics sometime if
you have the chance (by private email to spare the list.)

i agree with your main point that the temptations of wealth and fame can
affect the best... but i tend to think of bob and neil more in terms of
shades of grey than in black and white.  we will have the temptation to
judge amy & emily the same way, and indeed some already have... though
in my book they're showing us how it should be done.

>middle of one hot issue in america, but being gay didn't stop david geffen
>from being a greedy bastard and from suing neil young for not making him
>enough money.   (and joni mitchell went crap when she signed to him as
>well.)

i can't comment about mr. geffen, but i disagree wholeheartedly
about joni.  i'd recommend a listen (or a relisten) to her last two
albums, 'night ride home' and 'turbulent indigo'-- socially conscious as
ever, or more so, and poingnant, and beautiful... in my opinion of
course...

>  money and power corrupts. and saints-to-be amy and emily are human
>like the rest of us!

and we are human like they are.

a couple last points related to the beginnings of this discussion...
while i like the 'intimacy' of seeing a&e in a 3000-seat theater, i
think i'd be overwhelmed by guilt if i'd done anything to keep anyone
from the joy and message of their music... so if i need to wait in line
to see them at larger venues and maybe not be able to get tickets, i
guess that's the price i'll pay.

as far as rolling stone not covering them, well, it's their loss... but
i think we might get farther by pestering them in a nicer way... maybe
taking up a collection to buy them a set of cds or something... sending
them clippings... sending 'please' letters to them... (why do i keep
thinking of the simpsons episode where bart & lisa keep asking 'will you
take us to mount splashmore? will you take us to mount splashmore? will
you...' until homer relented?)

take care,
naz
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date:         thu, 28 sep 1995 17:07:40 +0100
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              mts5@aber.ac.uk
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         matthew joseph smith <mts5@aber.ac.uk>
subject:      re: 4.5

on thu, 28th sept 1995, amy j. putnam wrote:

>actually it was their mgr and publicist who picked the songs and
>amy and emily did have final approval over the list.  they thought
>that the list presented to them was fine and went with that.
>
>i wodnt say *nothing* to do withit.  more like they wernt as invovled
>as they are with, say, 1200 curfews.  teh name of the disc was intended
>to represent how many poeple are in the badn two guitars, bass, drums,
>and cello (the half).  that didnt quite work out right but they had
>the name and stuck with it.
>

really?   i thought only two people were in the band!   and their backing
band has changed over the years - they've had about 6 drummers, six bassists
(and even sara lee isn't constant now), and loads of other musos and backing
singers including the entire cast of rem, and most of hothouse flowers.

as for the song choice, i talked to "clued-in" kirsty at bbc greater london
radio (glr)'s bob harris show, who's a big fan and has met the girls, said
amy was quite surprised that pushing the needle too far was chosen - it's
quite obscure over here, since that album isn't available here except on
import.   and they only played one song from the album (watershed) at
shepherds bush empire last november.

but either way, to try and serve them up on a platter like that does seem a
bit inappropriate with this kind of band - everyone has their own few songs
that they particularly like (hand me downs and you left it up to me are
among my favourites, which weren't on 4.5) or which mean something to them
particularly. and often they wouldn't make good pop songs.   and why were
strange fire (the album) and back on the bus, y'all! left out completely?
what about i'll give you my skin and the mass of early stuff before they got
signed?   it seems to have been knocked together - the girls don't even get
guitar credits on the songs lifted from "indigo girls" because then they put
a message at the end saying "guitars played by ar & es" - the album just
lacks the quality of their other releases.

yours, going to get my lunch,

matthew
mts5@aber.ac.uk
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date:         thu, 28 sep 1995 16:14:36 +0100
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              mts5@aber.ac.uk
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         matthew joseph smith <mts5@aber.ac.uk>
subject:      re: complicated girls
x-to:         peter council followill <pfollow@emory.edu>

>
>peter followill-> pfollow@emory.edu-> emory university-> atlanta,ga
>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>

re: bootlegs:

some artists don't like bootlegs because they don't get any money out of it
which is why some, like the british folk singer-songwriter richard thompson)
produce live mail-order recordings to sell through fan-clubs and advertise
them at gigs.   but i think that there's nothing wrong with bootlegs, and if
artists are really that fussed, they should make a recording of the real
thing and sell it like thompson.   as i read in the nme, the new musical
express (in england) last year (i think), bootlegs are made by people who
love the music for people who love the music.   pirate recordings are, on
the other hand, unethical, because they are usually bad copies of albums
sold for profit - usually in countries and areas where you can't get the
real thing, so they're ripping off the fans who want the music and can't get
it any other way.

as for the ig bootlegs, well, some of them (like the one i am in the process
of ordering, ie the cover me grey tape) are actually giving money to causes
the igs support.   (in this case native americans.)   however, i believe
there is a shop in atlanta called rainy day records which sells them over
the counter - if the indigos minded this they could surely sue them into an
overdraft!   (or else stop selling daemon stuff through them.)   it's record
companies, not artists, who hate bootlegs - and they should release more
live gigs if they want to capitalise them.

yours, still without a quote,

matthew j. smith
mts5@aber.ac.uk
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date:         thu, 28 sep 1995 14:57:52 +0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              sharon jennings <rcxsj@unix.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         sharon jennings <rcxsj@unix.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk>
subject:      re: 4.5

>> when johnnie walker interviewed the girls on radio 1 in england, amy didn't
>> even know how to pronounce it.   they had nothing to do with it.
>
>i wodnt say *nothing* to do withit.  more like they wernt as invovled
>as they are with, say, 1200 curfews.  teh name of the disc was intended
>to represent how many poeple are in the badn two guitars, bass, drums,
>and cello (the half).  that didnt quite work out right but they had
>the name and stuck with it.
>
>hope that helps to clear things up..

i may be wrong but i thought that 4.5 was :
1) amy
2) emily
3) sara lee
4) jerry marotta
0.5) gail ann dorsey

gail was 0.5 of a member of the band because she only played bass on one
song at each show during the uk november tour.

sharon

sharon. a. jennings
cancer research campaign laboratories
univesity of nottingham
university park
nottingham
ng7  2rd                   (0115) 9513408
england                (0115) 9513414  (fax)
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date:         thu, 28 sep 1995 16:56:14 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              saraifl@aol.com
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         jennifer hoosier <saraifl@aol.com>
subject:      remove from list

please remove my name from this list (saraifl@aol.com)
=========================================================================
date:         thu, 28 sep 1995 13:54:17 -0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              casey connor <chc1@cec.wustl.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         casey connor <chc1@cec.wustl.edu>
subject:      e! magazine article-interest?

a recent (the recent-est?) issue of e!-magazine (environmental issues) has a
biggish article about the honor the earth tour...even a picture. :-) i'm
sure people want to see it, but the question is: how badly? :-) email me
privately and i will post to the list if there is demand. maybe i can
ocr it...

i recommend the issue... focuses on animal rights and the environmental
movement...

later,

/~~ /~\ /~\ |~ \ /
|   |_| \-\ |-  |
\__ | | \_/ |_  |
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date:         thu, 28 sep 1995 18:17:48 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              dawn karbler <karblerd@mcnet.marietta.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         dawn karbler <karblerd@mcnet.marietta.edu>
subject:      bootlegs

can anyone tell me where to get more information on ig bootleg tapes?  i
think someone else requested such information, but i've yet to see a
response.  this request would not include flamer's tape...also, how does
one obtain the vast expanse of knowledge possessed by the majority of the
people on this list...enquiring minds want to know!!

dawn

"...and now i'm serving time for mistakes made by another in another
lifetime..."
=========================================================================
date:         thu, 28 sep 1995 17:49:58 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              guinione@aol.com
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         guinione@aol.com
subject:      rolling stone ...

yeah ... maybe amy hasn't punched anybody (although she shoved someone once
who grabbed her - amy didn't appreciate it:) ... anyways ... didn't she once
break a string on her guitar (more than once this particular show) and take
the guitar off an toss it down on the stage, then proceed to walk off stage
... leaving emily slightly surprised ...

someone told me this awhile ago ... i'm not sure where or when it exactly
happened ...
=========================================================================
date:         thu, 28 sep 1995 20:43:40 +0100
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              mts5@aber.ac.uk
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         matthew joseph smith <mts5@aber.ac.uk>
subject:      re: pushin' the needle on shades of indigo
x-to:         jones <jone3176@saintmarys.edu>

>ok..ever since this conversation started, i have wanted to go back and
>listen to the conversation part on shades of indigo right before amy
>sings pushin' the needle.  so...here it is.  sc=3dshawn colvin ar=3damy=
ray...
>
>ar:pushin' the needle too far kind of deals with alienation and numbing
>ourselves to things in general and using drugs as an analogy.
>
>sc:so, the needle in this case is the actual needle...you know what i
>thought of when you said that.
>
>ar:well, it's that too.  it's supposed to be both.  it's supposed to be a
>meter and like, an iv...but it's..um...only a symbol..it's not like the
>needle and the damage done or something like that..it's actually just
>a symbolic line for scenarios that i paint from my life that have been
>alienating situations to me where people have not treated other people as
>humans...so that's kinda...
>
>sc:where people have not treated other people as humans...
>
>ar:yeah, sorta like where you dehumanize things so you don't have to deal
>with them..
>
>
>then amy busts into the song...
>so..there it is, straight from the source herself...
>
>take it however you want...
>
>carol
>jone3176@saintmarys.edu.
>

ok! ok! ok!   i give in - pushing the needle isn't just about drugs.   but
here - well, the "needle" doesn't really have the same meter association.

does anyone have a cd called "the bottom line" by the way?   the ig's aren't
on it, but some great folk artists are:  shawn colvin, janis ian, richard
thompson, dave alvin, lucinda williams and many more.   they talk a bit
about the song, about how they wrote it (or, if it's a cover, what it means
to them and/or how it influenced them) and then sing it solo.   there's some
duff stuff (eg luka bloom's cover of an ll cool j song in which he seems to
forget the words;  and jimmy webb's rendition of "wichita lineman" sounds
like one of those songwriter's showcase type thing, where star songwriters
sing songs they wrote for other people.)   but most of it's brilliant.   and
it's a cheap one as well (only =a36.99 in uk) so it's worth it for the many
good tracks.   (released on nectar masters).

matthew
mts5@aber.ac.uk
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date:         thu, 28 sep 1995 21:14:52 -0700
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              "emily d. mark" <emark@chaph.usc.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "emily d. mark" <emark@chaph.usc.edu>
subject:      re: ultimate ig tape i made
x-to:         casey connor <chc1@cec.wustl.edu>
in-reply-to:  <pine.sol.3.91.950927133817.22944b-100000@clarion.cec.wustl.edu>

hey...is there any way i can get a copy of that tape? i have practically
no early ig music.
                        thanks,
                                emily
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date:         thu, 28 sep 1995 23:15:59 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              tangled up in blue <trinket@tezcat.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         tangled up in blue <trinket@tezcat.com>
subject:      re: ig on the irc
x-to:         the searcher <kidfears@tezcat.com>

>>. i just saw berts post about the indigo
>>girls cahnnel on irc.. no, we dont' talk about the girls a lot.. =*
>
>
>no, we don't talk about ig's much because we've been there and done that -
- anything more would be redundant redundant redundant!


- trink
=========================================================================
date:         thu, 28 sep 1995 23:08:02 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              guinione@aol.com
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         guinione@aol.com
subject:      walk away ...

i must jump in and say that walk away is my favorite ig song ... but why is
it that they almost never play it live ???

i think i have either one or two early boots with it ... then nothing ...

it was even cut from live at the uptown lounge ...   :(

of course, it is one of those songs amy wishes she could go back and do over
...

sigh

guini
=========================================================================
date:         thu, 28 sep 1995 20:09:42 -0700
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              "amy j. putnam" <pegasus@crl.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "amy j. putnam" <pegasus@crl.com>
subject:      4.5

i stand duly corrected:  gail ann dorsey is the "half" in the uk greatest
hits title.  thanks to all who corrected me on this...i've never seen
gail with them but have seen jane which is why, probably, she popped
into my head.


amy p.                          /       who holds your hand
pegasus@crl.com                /        when you're alone
                              /
the original photo monk      /                  --patty larkin
=========================================================================
date:         thu, 28 sep 1995 20:03:49 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              heidid4660@aol.com
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         heidi duncanson <heidid4660@aol.com>
subject:      re: jcs tape tree (fwd)

hi letitia -

saw your post re the jcs tape tree and will contact my appropriate branch ...
however, i thought you might be able to help me out with another tape tree
question.

last summer (1994), i signed up for the newport folk festival tape tree and
despite repeated e-mails to my branch (lou of tullahoma), i never got any
further instructions or tape.  is there any way i can get a copy of this tape
through you or someone else who was a branch?

thanks!

heidi duncanson (heidid4660@aol.com)
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date:         fri, 29 sep 1995 00:08:04 -0400
reply-to:     jude shabry <hey_jude@brown.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         jude shabry <hey_jude@brown.edu>
subject:      re: why do we always get our letters back?
x-to:         mts5@aber.ac.uk
in-reply-to:  your message of "thu, 28 sep 1995 10:40:17 bst."
              <199509280940.faa00017@netspace.org>

this is an option you can set for yourself.  mail
listserv@netspace.org with "help" for a complete list of commands.
there are lots..

     -jude

matthew joseph smith <mts5@aber.ac.uk> writes:
> re:  the "invisible ink" debate.   i've never had this problem, but there is
> another gripe i've got with the mailing list:  the fact that we always get
> our letters back.   if we use a prog like eudora it stores them in the out
> list anyway.   sysops- why this waste of disk space?
>
> matthew j. smith
> mts5@aber.ac.uk
>
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date:         thu, 28 sep 1995 19:15:55 edt
reply-to:     jon miner <jjminer@mailbag.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         jon miner <jjminer@mailbag.com>
subject:      jjminer@facstaff.wisc.edu -> jjminer@mailbag.com

        i don't recall whether or not i sent this to you guys, but my address
has changed.  it used to be jjminer@facstaff.wisc.edu it is now
jjminer@mailbag.com

                  -*jon*-

...  "death is but a doorway - time is but a window - i'll be back."
                -vigo the omnipotent.

if all the world is a stage....
        then the light at the end of the tunnel...

must be god's way of saying...
        "get off the stage!"


geek code v3.0:
gu!     d?(dx) s a--- c++>+++ u? p?  l e? n+ k- w---(w)
        m-- !v y+ t+ 5 r        tv++ b+(++) d--(----) e-* h!
        r++ y++(**) w++ o+++ pe(-)(--) ps++(+++) pgp x++
        di++ g

*silence = death*

jjminer@mailbag.com  | http://www.wp.com/aids_daily_summary
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date:         thu, 28 sep 1995 19:35:35 edt
reply-to:     jon miner <jjminer@mailbag.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         jon miner <jjminer@mailbag.com>
subject:      info! jjminer@facstaff.wisc.edu > jjminer@mailbag.com

        well, the t-shirt order is going to go out very soon.  so i need all
orders in asap.  preferably tomorrow.  also, please note that my
address has changed from jjminer@facstaff.wisc.edu to
jjminer@mailbag.com.  thanks.

                  -*jon*-

...  "death is but a doorway - time is but a window - i'll be back."
                -vigo the omnipotent.

if all the world is a stage....
        then the light at the end of the tunnel...

must be god's way of saying...
        "get off the stage!"


geek code v3.0:
gu!     d?(dx) s a--- c++>+++ u? p?  l e? n+ k- w---(w)
        m-- !v y+ t+ 5 r        tv++ b+(++) d--(----) e-* h!
        r++ y++(**) w++ o+++ pe(-)(--) ps++(+++) pgp x++
        di++ g

*silence = death*

jjminer@mailbag.com  | http://www.wp.com/aids_daily_summary
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date:         thu, 28 sep 1995 20:08:44 -0700
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              "amy j. putnam" <pegasus@crl.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "amy j. putnam" <pegasus@crl.com>
subject:      re: all these auctions
x-to:         mts5@aber.ac.uk
in-reply-to:  <199509281554.laa20924@netspace.org>

on thu, 28 sep 1995, matthew joseph smith wrote:

>
> sure bill - but why "womyn"?   neither amy nor emily have ever struck me as
> mad feminist diesel-dykes before.   d'you think they'd be calling themselves
> "girls" if they were?
>
> mat
> mts@aber.ac.uk
>

mat i find your comment extremely offensive.  would you mind explaining
to mne what a "mad feminist diesel dyke" is?  your comment is, to me,
sexist and homophobic.  amy and emily have been on record as being
feminist and many other things...being a feminist does not make one a
"diesel dyke" or "mad".  i for one would like to know what you mean
by this.  "womyn" is a fairly commonly used alternative spelling for
woman in the united states.  i dont know if amy and emily use it, but
there is no need to slam anyone else for using it.


amy p.                          /       who holds your hand
pegasus@crl.com                /        when you're alone
                              /
the original photo monk      /                  --patty larkin
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date:         thu, 28 sep 1995 14:49:34 -0700
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              "teresa c. esguerra" <sac83826@saclink1.csus.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "teresa c. esguerra" <sac83826@saclink1.csus.edu>
subject:      what are ig's greatest hits???
x-to:         "amy j. putnam" <pegasus@crl.com>
in-reply-to:  <pine.sun.3.91.950926141554.7479a-100000@crl.crl.com>

hi amy, matthew, and everyone...

        it's my opinion that it's so hard to make a "greatest hits"
package concerning the girls because of the wealth of their material and
the fact that they aren't exactly a "singles" oriented band.  i was
rather happily surprised that tracks like "three hits" and "pushing the
needle too far".  but each of us have our favorites, so it's like
everyone can see what was unjustly excluded...."what about
chickenman??!" ,  "hey, they forgot love will come to you!" , "man...why
did they leave out crazy game!?"...everyone's just gonna have to make
their own greatest hits collection on their own blank tape.  the last
tape i made for my roommate consisted of two 100min cassettes and she's
asking me for one more volume.
        my suggestion to ig is that they just package all their cds
together, from sf to so, thrown in an extra cd with their best covers,
re-release some old independant stuff they made on a cd format, and call
that their "greatest hits"....  :)

teri
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date:         thu, 28 sep 1995 19:47:11 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              cojehali@aol.com
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "<connie lindell>" <cojehali@aol.com>
subject:      re: ig cd single

just thought i'd let y'all know that the first cd single from 1200 curfews is
out.  it contains two versions of "bury my heart at wounded knee" and a
special version of "thin line".  here are the tracks and origins:

1. bury my heart at wounded knee (studio version)
    (recorded at southern tracks studio, atlanta, ga)
2. thin line (radio edit)
    (recorded and produced live in the dressing room at the santa monica
civic center
     in santa monica, ca on 5/27/95)
3. bury my heart at wounded knee (live version)
    (recorded live at atwood concert hall, university of alaska in anchorage,
ak
     on 5/31/95)

i believe this cd single will be available for sale - (it was just received
by radio stations today so may not be in the stores for another couple of
days) - the back cover notes that "all proceeds from the sale of the song
"bury my heart at wounded knee" will be donated to the honor the earth
campaign to provide ongoing support to native american communities working to
protect their land and culture."

so now that the single is in the hands of radio, we can all start calling our
local stations and requesting that they play that "new" song by the indigo
girls!  :)

-connie
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date:         thu, 28 sep 1995 21:53:10 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              imgalileo@aol.com
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         imgalileo@aol.com
subject:      2nd auction update
x-to:         sept301955@aol.com
x-cc:         plaine@seaccd.ctc.edu, pmrlm1@gannonlab.gannon.edu,
              jmcphee884@aol.com, benh@inlink.com, mrbcom@earthlink.net,
              kking@hiwaay.net, vanhemel@posh.internext.com,
              deannal@parallel.park.uga.edu, locshoot@aol.com,
              nlyng@postoffice.ptd.net, jone3176@saintmarys.edu,
              napikosk@chaph.usc.edu, ph21nh@ph.surrey.ac.uk, debbie@mei.com,
              ecooper@ljcrf.edu, carrieb@gladstone.uoregon.edu,
              yvzy46a@prodigy.com, hrstruggle@aol.com,
              maclayton@mhc.mtholyoke.edu

2nd auction update

auction ends 11:59 pm  saturday, october 6th, 95

please remember - cashier's checks or money orders only for payment from high
bid winners. i will update daily.

* a new item...
'tame yourself' cassette (put out by peta),  out of print. rare
indigo girls & michael stipe (r.e.m.)  sing "i'll give you my skin" plus 13
other songs by various singers.
--------------------------------------------------------
club r & r ......................................................$65 (holmes)
--------------------------------------------------------
three hits promotional cd  - full color picture insert
studio version of  "three hits", the rest are live cuts "joking", "galileo",
"ghost", "jonas & ezekial"   -  2 copies available
$25 (dianne)  $30 (paula)
$30 (rick)
--------------------------------------------------------
4.5 uk greatest hits promo - rare
(15 track fold out custom promo w/ biography of their career)
$30 (rebecca)
--------------------------------------------------------
closer to fine uk release promo - rare
(pulled from production - unreleased)
$20 (karen)
--------------------------------------------------------
indigo girls guitar pick... minimum bid $15
--------------------------------------------------------
please email privately  - good luck everybody !

im galileo
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date:         thu, 28 sep 1995 23:10:00 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              the searcher <kidfears@tezcat.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         the searcher <kidfears@tezcat.com>
subject:      re: ig on the irc
x-to:         "m. brooke robertshaw" <water@randomc.com>,
              indigboy@eden.rutgers.edu

bertin lefkovic <indigboy@eden.rutgers.edu> wrote:
i saw this message about irc and i figured it was a good time to bring this
up.  i have been on irc for a littlle more than a year, and the channel i use
most often is #indigo-girls.  it is a really cool channel with lots of very
[snip]
fans and getting to know them and developing irc relationships, but the one
problem that i have found with this channel is that the people on it rarely
if ever talk about ig and their music.  thus, i have decided to create
[snip]

at 11:47 pm 9/27/95 -0400,  brooke robertshaw" <water@randomc.com> wrote:
>okay, so i gotta say something.. i just saw berts post about the indigo
>girls cahnnel on irc.. no, we dont' talk about the girls a lot.. sheesh
>with all the time i and others spend there could you imagine talking
>about ig??? sheesh.. just like in real life we have all made friends b/c

you go yakkie......!!!!

to add my 2 cents......
what makes #indigo-girls such a nice place to hang out on is that it is
populated by a bunch of 'typically, normal-type' people.  what the indigo
girls might have had for lunch this day or that day is not of high
importance to most of us.  oh yeah -- when an album comes out it is
discussed......  but otherwise -- we tend to discuss issues which we have
control over --- our own lives.  you can only disect a song so many ways
......... but the countless uses of spatulas and bandanas that you can learn
about on #indigo-girls will amaze you!  ;-)

marianne

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=========================================================================
date:         fri, 29 sep 1995 02:06:45 -0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              jones <jone3176@saintmarys.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         jones <jone3176@saintmarys.edu>
subject:      re: bootlegs
x-to:         dawn karbler <karblerd@mcnet.marietta.edu>
in-reply-to:  <pine.osf.3.91.950928181406.9274a-100000@mcnet.marietta.edu>

well, since no one is answering this question...there really is no set
"information" on ig bootleg tapes.  you just have to ask who has them...
for example, and i may be putting myself in a bad position here, but i
have at least 20 different shows on tape.  this is from bootlegging
myself and from trading.  so, i mean, you just have to post and ask
someone if they would be willing to make you a copy of a show...most
people have a specific show in mind, but not all.  this is usually the
general procedure.  but after someone replies to your post, it is best to
work everything out via personal e-mail so that the list isn't bored with
all the details and the person with the bootleg doesn't get swamped with
a million requests.

also...i wanted to comment on whoever said that the girls don't like
people bootlegging.  well, in phoenix at the end of last may, i was at an
aftershow party hosted by the girls and we specifically asked amy how she
felt about bootlegging.  she said that she didn't care as long as people
didn't make money off of them...and that she even bootlegged some shows
herself.  (i'm assuming this is other than the copy of the show she could
receive from the soundboard tapes).

carol
jone3176@saintmarys.edu.


on thu, 28 sep 1995, dawn karbler wrote:

> can anyone tell me where to get more information on ig bootleg tapes?  i
> think someone else requested such information, but i've yet to see a
> response.  this request would not include flamer's tape...also, how does
> one obtain the vast expanse of knowledge possessed by the majority of the
> people on this list...enquiring minds want to know!!
>
> dawn
>
> "...and now i'm serving time for mistakes made by another in another
> lifetime..."
>
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date:         fri, 29 sep 1995 03:03:30 -0400
reply-to:     jude shabry <hey_jude@brown.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         jude shabry <hey_jude@brown.edu>
subject:      re: message ("the distribution of your message dated tue, 26...")
in-reply-to:  your message of "wed, 27 sep 1995 22:13:27 cdt."
              <199509280313.aa212328027@casbah.acns.nwu.edu>

lists have message limits to prevent possible spammage, amoung other
things.  since this list seems to be ballooning somewhat, i've
increased the daily message limit...

     -jude

"l-soft list server at netspace.org (1.8b) (by way of anb038@nwu.edu alycia n b
roz)" <listserv@netspace.org> writes:
> the distribution of your message dated  tue, 26 sep 1995 19:06:34 -0500 with
> subject "re: ::eeerie::" has been  postponed because the daily message limit
> for the indigo-girls list (50) has been exceeded. no action is required from
> you;  your message  will be  reprocessed automatically  once the  list owner
> releases the list.
>
> just thought i'd pass this on -- this must have been what happened to our
> "phantom messages" last week.
> alycia
>
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date:         fri, 29 sep 1995 02:24:27 -0700
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              michael bunch <mrbcom@earthlink.net>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         michael bunch <mrbcom@earthlink.net>
subject:      re: 1200 curfews
x-to:         smcgill818@aol.com

at 07:52 pm 9/27/95 -0400, you wrote:
>does anyone have an idea of what to expect on 1200 curfews?  what shows the
>songs were taken from, etc.  thanks.

our local radio station has been playing "bury my heart..." from
a 3-track advance sampler of the album.

that particular track was from the santa monica civic in california...

mike  :-)
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date:         fri, 29 sep 1995 06:40:08 est
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              rob_sticka@ccmail.gsfc.nasa.gov
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         rob sticka <rob_sticka@ccmail.gsfc.nasa.gov>
subject:      re[2]: jcs
x-to:         mts5@aber.ac.uk

steve,

"funky main riff" - which one are you talking about?  right at the beginning of
the cd with the heavy echo effects?  give me more specifics and i can probably
figure out the guitar parts.

rob

______________________________ reply separator _________________________________
subject: re: jcs
author:  indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
mts5@aber.ac.uk at internet
date:    9/28/95 10:22 pm


>hey everyone,
>i have a couple of questions about the girls' parts on jcs--i don't have
>the credits to the songs (just a copy from a friend) and i was wondering
>if either emily or amy play guitar on any of the songs, and if so...when
>they performed it live did they play along and sing ( i just can't
>picture amy aka jesus with her black martin at the beginning of
>gethsemane) or did someone else play.  also--if anyone has the tab for
>the funky main riff at the beginning, i would love to have it.  it is
>lacking from the music at the nevada ftp site.
>thanks,
>steve
>
=========================================================================
date:         fri, 29 sep 1995 12:05:08 +0100
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              mr neil hunt <ph21nh@ph.surrey.ac.uk>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         mr neil hunt <ph21nh@ph.surrey.ac.uk>
subject:      re: 4.5
x-to:         mts5@aber.ac.uk

hey :)

i think the point about 4.5 is being somewhat missed here...ok, so the
song info was lamely done, but it was cheap...

it could be argued that it's not even a greatest hits, because the commercial
package doesn't make any mention of 'best of' or 'greatest hits' and so it's
just packaged like a regular album...

and if it doesn't have everyone's favourites on, so what?? i could ask many
many people to give me their favourite 15 ig's tracks and there'd be so much
variation...

the cd was compiled for people who were always meaning to buy an ig's album but
didn't...if it encourages them to go buy swamp ophilia (say) and then they find
that they love 'mystery' (say) more than anything else, then they'll go out and
buy another album to see what other missing gems are there...

it was compiled from the four 'proper' albums that were released in britain,
which is fair enough...i think that there were only two tracks from nomads for
the very reason it's not available easily...

if this release was aimed at people who already had the albums, then everything
would be different. it would have been released worldwide, with maybe three or
four 'new' tracks on so that fans would have to buy the old stuff all over
again just for those...

and if it was a collection of early recording, and compilation tracks, then,
again, that would miss its purpose. i don't think anyone who hadn't heard the
ig's would be too impressed by 'i'll give you my skin' (say) or 'high horse'
(say) compared with 'least complicated.'

so if you want a rarities collection, then 4.5 isn't for you. don't buy it.
you have the albums. it's not worth it.
but if you've never heard more than one or two ig's songs, then that's the
place to start...

and they're not ripping off anyone by including anything exclusive on it...
which is laudable...

blimey that was long. i think i'm going for a lie down...:):)

@}--,-'---


  neily :)            indigogirlsjellyfishdeaconblueedenburningtracychapmanaimee
   41 mountside        mannbeatlesbuddyhollydannywilsonbillyjoelshawncolvinmaria
    guildford           mckeefairgroundattractioneverlybrothersdelamitribandomd
     @}--,--'---         royorbisonjuliemillerjamroxettecarolekingandmanymore...
=========================================================================
date:         fri, 29 sep 1995 12:20:17 +0100
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              mr neil hunt <ph21nh@ph.surrey.ac.uk>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         mr neil hunt <ph21nh@ph.surrey.ac.uk>
subject:      re: complicated girls
x-to:         pfollow@emory.edu

hey :)

complicated girls and history of us and pretty much every 'live' 'import' cd
you can get are legal in their country of origin.

they are legal because of copyright 'protection gaps' which mean that as long
as songwriting and artist royalties are paid, then no permission needs to be
sought from the artists.
there are certain complicated restrictions on what counts as a 'live' release,
which usually depend on where it was recorded, and the nationality of the
artist...which is why so much information on these discs is vague, so they can
get around these technicalities...

anyway...without going into too much more...i think the main issure is artistic
control. but i don't think many people who buy these cds are unaware of their
status...

in fact, in australia where there are similar loopholes, the cd's have on their
covers 'unauthorised - this cd has not been approved by the artist or record
company, and its sound quality may not be comparable to official releases.' or
somethig similar...

anyway, all this (in much more depth too) and many other things can be found in
'great white wonders - a history of rock bootlegs' by clinton heylin.
big book. very very good...if you're interested in rock's secret history...

blimey, i sound like a publicist...

@}--,-'---


  neily :)            indigogirlsjellyfishdeaconblueedenburningtracychapmanaimee
   41 mountside        mannbeatlesbuddyhollydannywilsonbillyjoelshawncolvinmaria
    guildford           mckeefairgroundattractioneverlybrothersdelamitribandomd
     @}--,--'---         royorbisonjuliemillerjamroxettecarolekingandmanymore...
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date:         fri, 29 sep 1995 21:56:29 +1000
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              piquet the cat <piquet@geko.com.au>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         piquet the cat <piquet@geko.com.au>
subject:      re: complicated girls
in-reply-to:  <12565.199509291120@ph.surrey.ac.uk>

on fri, 29 sep 1995, mr neil hunt wrote:

> in fact, in australia where there are similar loopholes, the cd's have on their
> covers 'unauthorised - this cd has not been approved by the artist or record
> company, and its sound quality may not be comparable to official releases.' or
> somethig similar...

from the front of my stevie nicks boot:
"this sound recording was recorded with amateur equipment and will not be
of the same quality as an amateur release."  and "the unauthorised live
recordings... this live recording and its release, has not been authorised
by stevie nicks or her record company."

... which i just noticed has "landslide" on it... must get around to
listening to this sometime...

anyway, i remember reading something awhile back (6 months?  a year?)
about how they were introducing legislation to make production and sale
of bootleg cds illegal here.  we went looking awhile back and didn't
find any; i guess they succeeded.

yeah, i'm bored... wanna argue with me? :)
sherlyn
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
piquet the cat - piquet@geko.com.au; aka sherlyn koo - sherlyn@geko.com.au
"well life has a funny way of sneaking up on you when you think everything's
        okay and everything's going right...
and life has a funny way of helping you out when you think everything's gone
        wrong and everything blows up in your face..."
                        - alanis morissette, "ironic"
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date:         fri, 29 sep 1995 08:00:16 -0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              "deanna newcomb ext. 6260" <newcombd@skycell.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "deanna newcomb ext. 6260" <newcombd@skycell.com>
subject:      cover tape - pisces only
in-reply-to:  <pine.ult.3.91.950928104753.19095v-100000@mhc.mtholyoke.edu>

just want to let all the pisces out there know that you are not forgotten. i am
deanna@dcez.com, but have been on travel since tues. of this week and do not
have access to that account right now.

i just wanted to let anyone know who has tried to reach me at that account this
week and i have not gotten back to you, don't worry. i will be back home on
sunday and will then contact everyone who has sent me a request.

please do not send any requests to this address. it is my work account and i
will not accept any reqests for the cover tape on it. please continue to
forward your requests to me at deanna@dcez.com. as long as the master cover
tape is waiting in my mailbox when i get home, i will start making tapes on
sunday night and mailing them out on monday morning.

sorry about the delay! :(

deanna
deanna@dcez.com
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date:         fri, 29 sep 1995 13:19:48 +0100
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              mts5@aber.ac.uk
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         matthew joseph smith <mts5@aber.ac.uk>
subject:      re: 4.5, diesel dykes and farm aid

on 28th sept 1995, amy j. putnam wrote:

>>
>> really?   i thought only two people were in the band!   and their backing
>> band has changed over the years - they've had about 6 drummers, six bassists
>> (and even sara lee isn't constant now), and loads of other musos and backing
>> singers including the entire cast of rem, and most of hothouse flowers.
>
>clearly amy and emily have expanded their notion of the band over the years.
>and i woujld liek to know upon what you base your comment abouthow many
>bass players and drummers they have had.  sara is virtually the only bassist
>they have used in the last 5 years..and before jerry marotta (and maybe some
>session players) the only other drummers have been simone simonton
>from atlanta very early on (like 1991) and budgie from siouxsie and
>the banshees on the european tour in 1992.  as for band now, i think they
>refer largely to the touring band.  and for the studio, excepting special
>guests they have been extremely consistent abotu who plays with them.
>dont make comments you cant substantiate.
>
>
and what are sara lee and jerry marotta if not session players?   sara lee's
played with the b-52s and robyn hitchcock, and jerry marotta's played with
just about every self-respecting musician under the sun!   examples:  peter
gabriel, rory block, suzanne vega to name but a few.   (i don't think he's
cheap either!)

as for the many drummers and bassists:  drummers include:  jay dee
daugherty, bill berry, simone simonton, scott bland, kenny aronoff, michael
lorant as well as budgie and jerry, and if you count paulinho da costa as
well, that makes 9!  then bassists:  john keane, dede vogt, mike mills,
kasim sultan, edgar meyer, brian lilje, jan dykes (on swamp ophelia) and lee
- that makes 8.   as for the touring band, the thank you's on swamp ophelia
say "our touring band:  jerry marotta, sara lee, jane scarpantoni..." - are
you sure this gail is the half?

oh, and as for my "homophobia" (amy and jenn) - would i be listening to the
indigos, paying over the odds for import cds, let alone going to see their
gigs, never mind be on this list if i had anything against gays and
lesbians?   my reply to bill was saying precisely that the indigos do look
normal, as opposed to the man-hating stereotype which many straight people
have associated, and still associate, with lesbians.   (and feminists, come
to think about it.)   i never thought people used terms like "womyn" and
"wimmin" except when they were taking the piss.   and let's face it, women
are women however you spell it - the root, the meaning, remains the same.
(and re:  "diesel-dykes":  is "gypsies, queers and david's stars" any better?)

as for "flaming" people ... here in britain the left (where i would like to
see myself) is always "flaming" the american feminist/pc lobby, because (a)
of its ridiculous ideas, like signing consent forms before you have sex (a
la antioch university) and inventing alternative spellings for words like
"woman" and (b) because in britain the left does at least have some
connection with its working class roots, whereas in america the pc brigade
finish university, get a six-figure-salaried job and settle down to a rich
life and forget all about the women's movement, the gays and lesbians, the
people on the streets (who are undoubtedly worse off than women and g&ls).
sure, many of them are genuine, but i doubt they are the same ones who talk
about "womyn".

naz:  the farm aid events spun off a comment bob dylan made during live aid
that "maybe we could take a couple of million out of live aid and use them
to pay off the debts on some of the farms".   in other words, here all these
people were at gigs for the starving millions in africa (who were genuinely
starving) and along comes a bloke who suggests using the money to help out
people who were a bit in the red.   the book to read is "neil young:  the
man and his music" by david downing.   i haven't actually heard "nothing is
perfect" but there's a line in it saying "nothing is perfect in god's
perfect plan", coupled with (according to downing anyway) a load of
patriotic stuff about how wonderful america is despite its problems.   in
other words, poverty, greed and war are all part of god's perfect plan.
dylan's comment was condemned by much of the press for equating the famine
with the comparatively trivial plight of the farmers, but struck a chord
with the ronnie reagan brigade who wanted to do something to help americans.
(ok, but why weren't these americans the ones sleeping on the streets or in
the ghettoes?)

i hope this clears up any misunderstandings.

off to "flame" some bacon,

mat
mts5@aber.ac.uk
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date:         fri, 29 sep 1995 13:31:53 +0100
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              mts5@aber.ac.uk
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         matthew joseph smith <mts5@aber.ac.uk>
subject:      4.5. (again)

does 1200 curfews include jerry marotta on the saxophone?

and gail ann dorsey (the black one, i presume) did a bit more than one song,
and also sang on "midnight train to georgia".   but sara lee did most of it.

mat
mts5@aber.ac.uk
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date:         fri, 29 sep 1995 08:31:09 -24000
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              "judith k. hunter" <jhunter@rtc.gov>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "judith k. hunter" <jhunter@rtc.gov>
subject:      re: rookie lister

>>lord knows, my eyes were opened.
>>
>>you people know too much stuff.  how can i, a minor entity in the world og
>>ig, become so knowledgable(is that how you spell that?)?  all i own are the
>>big cd's, you know ig, sf, nis, rop, so, that stuff.  you all seem to have a
>>wealth of information on a&e.
>
>>i want it.  where is it?
>>thanx for your time and have a pleasant(is that how you spell that???)
>>tomorrow.
> >

>it's simple.   just stay tuned.

or........hey, you could order the cover tape!  :)

jude
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date:         fri, 29 sep 1995 08:45:47 est
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              rob_sticka@ccmail.gsfc.nasa.gov
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         rob sticka <rob_sticka@ccmail.gsfc.nasa.gov>
subject:      re: walk away ...
x-to:         guinione@aol.com

i must jump in and say that walk away is my favorite ig song ... but why is
it that they almost never play it live ???

good question!  if it's any consulation to you, you just might (no promises)
hear me attempt this song on indicated iii (it's one of my favorites too -
regardless of how many "baby"s!).  stay tuned...

i think i have either one or two early boots with it ... then nothing ...

it was even cut from live at the uptown lounge ...   :(

of course, it is one of those songs amy wishes she could go back and do over
...

she did say something to that effect but i don't think she dislikes the song.
i took her comment to mean that she now sees other possibilities or
directions that could improve the song.

sigh

guini

rob
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date:         fri, 29 sep 1995 08:25:30 -0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              stephanie parsons <parsonss@it.uwp.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         stephanie parsons <parsonss@it.uwp.edu>
subject:      re: house at pooh corner (cover tape)
x-to:         margaret clayton <maclayto@mhc.mtholyoke.edu>
in-reply-to:  <pine.ult.3.91.950927142641.726j-100000@mhc.mtholyoke.edu>

on wed, 27 sep 1995, margaret clayton wrote:

> hey.  i've recently been informed that several people who have the shades
> of indigo cd do not have house at pooh corner on it, as i had cited in
> the "credits" for the cover tape.
isnt the house at pooh corner from blue food?
=========================================================================
date:         fri, 29 sep 1995 06:43:49 -0700
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              "amy j. putnam" <pegasus@crl.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "amy j. putnam" <pegasus@crl.com>
subject:      re: 4.5, diesel dykes and farm aid
x-to:         mts5@aber.ac.uk
in-reply-to:  <199509291220.iaa00406@netspace.org>

on fri, 29 sep 1995, matthew joseph smith wrote:


folks--i am sorry to keep this running but since matthew has taken
one of my posts (about teh band) which was sent ti him privately and
decided to take it public i am going to keep it so.  as for the
homophobic stuff...well, read on.


> >
> and what are sara lee and jerry marotta if not session players?   sara lee's
> played with the b-52s and robyn hitchcock, and jerry marotta's played with
> just about every self-respecting musician under the sun!   examples:  peter
> gabriel, rory block, suzanne vega to name but a few.   (i don't think he's
> cheap either!)

i think there is a big difference between people used on the albums
(ie most of the poeple you listed) and people in teh band, which amy
and emily tour with.  you must choose your words carefully, something
which below is proven that you do not.

>
> oh, and as for my "homophobia" (amy and jenn) - would i be listening to the
> indigos, paying over the odds for import cds, let alone going to see their
> gigs, never mind be on this list if i had anything against gays and
> lesbians?   my reply to bill was saying precisely that the indigos do look

well i am glad to know that you dont make your musical choices based
on your political beliefs, but that does not excuse the
homophobic language that you used in your original post.

> normal, as opposed to the man-hating stereotype which many straight people
> have associated, and still associate, with lesbians.   (and feminists, come
> to think about it.)   i never thought people used terms like "womyn" and
> "wimmin" except when they were taking the piss.   and let's face it, women

taking the piss?  man hating, btw is a myth created by frightened straight
men who cant deal with the fact that woman can get by quite well
without them.  personally, i dont know any feminists/lesbians who hate
men.  what is hated is male abuse of power aka the patriarchy.

> are women however you spell it - the root, the meaning, remains the same.

so dont slam someone for using an alternative spelling.

> (and re:  "diesel-dykes":  is "gypsies, queers and david's stars" any better?)

the point is context, much as it is in the line frm "this train revised".
your context implied a negativity to being a diesel dyke.  which is
another myth created about butch lesbians.  i still dont like your use of
the term due to its negative implications.  speaking from expereince,
there is nothing at all wrong with being a butch lesbian.

>
> as for "flaming" people ... here in britain the left (where i would like to
> see myself) is always "flaming" the american feminist/pc lobby, because (a)
> of its ridiculous ideas, like signing consent forms before you have sex (a
> la antioch university) and inventing alternative spellings for words like
> "woman" and (b) because in britain the left does at least have some
> connection with its working class roots, whereas in america the pc brigade
> finish university, get a six-figure-salaried job and settle down to a rich
> life and forget all about the women's movement, the gays and lesbians, the
> people on the streets (who are undoubtedly worse off than women and g&ls).
> sure, many of them are genuine, but i doubt they are the same ones who talk
> about "womyn".

gee, you still cant get over losing the colonies can you?  it's nice to
know you can make such unqualified generalizations about a diverse
body of people.  what makes your ideas in britain so much better?  do
you really think you have a complete understanding of american politics,
especially regarding feminsim and gay rights?  i went to an ivy league
level college (wellesley).  i make no where *near* 6 figures.  my first
job out of school was at a non-profit organization for the deaf.  i am
out as a lesbian and feminist at work and do awareness raising around
those issues.  i know many many more poeple who have just-making-enough
to live on jobs who have continued their political work than i do
people who are making 6 figures.  who are you to say that each individual
working on gay/lesbian, womens, and yes even the homeless' rights are
"out of touch" with the working class?  again, dont make statements
you cant back up.  yes i will admit some ideas spawned by the left havent
been all they could be, but cna you honestly tell me that everything
that the left in britain has come up with has been brilliant?  i rather
doubt it.

mathew i suggest we stop wasting the time of the other people on the
list.  if you wish to continue this discussion with me, take it private.

and do not post a private  e-mail to the list please.  that's horribly
bad netiquette.

happy friday everyone.

amy p.                          /       who holds your hand
pegasus@crl.com                /        when you're alone
                              /
the original photo monk      /                  --patty larkin
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date:         fri, 29 sep 1995 10:03:47 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              dandy lion <lift@mindspring.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         dandy lion <lift@mindspring.com>
subject:      cree

if ya'll want a taste of some good atlanta stuff, check out cree on tour now.
cool people....cool music.....

sept 29    /     river's edge       /     rome, ga
sept 30    /     cup-a-joe's        /     raleigh, nc
oct   3    /     kenny's castaways  /     new york city!
oct   4    /     common ground      /     summit, nj
oct   5    /     iota's             /     arlington, va
oct   6    /     new england college/     henniker, nh


tell 'em "lift" sent ya!
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date:         fri, 29 sep 1995 10:02:48 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              william norris <wnorris@soulcage.inmind.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         william norris <wnorris@soulcage.inmind.com>
subject:      re: 4.5, diesel dykes and farm aid
in-reply-to:  <199509291220.iaa00406@netspace.org> from "matthew joseph smith"
              at sep 29, 95 01:19:48 pm

>
>
>
> as for "flaming" people ... here in britain the left (where i would like to
> see myself) is always "flaming" the american feminist/pc lobby, because (a)
> of its ridiculous ideas, like signing consent forms before you have sex (a
> la antioch university) and inventing alternative spellings for words like
> "woman" and (b) because in britain the left does at least have some
> connection with its working class roots, whereas in america the pc brigade
> finish university, get a six-figure-salaried job and settle down to a rich
> life and forget all about the women's movement, the gays and lesbians, the
> people on the streets (who are undoubtedly worse off than women and g&ls).
> sure, many of them are genuine, but i doubt they are the same ones who talk
> about "womyn".

ok, i let the ignorant diesel-dyke comment go, betting on someone else to
take up that charge.  but this, i will not let go.  mat, i've spent the
last portion of my life split almost equally between the u.s. and the
u.k.  you're judgement of the american left (which, i will admit, has
shrunk to the point where it's barely visible in some places--note the
democratic party does not mean the left anymore, imho) while true of some
people is a gross generalization.  true, i call myself a member of the
left, and yes, i went off and got myself a degree (on scholarship thank
you), and i am now earning $500 a month working for the left.  you
comment that the british left still has some connection to its working
class roots.  that's very apparent in the hampstead labor chapter.  those
people really see the plight of the working poor.  and, the true left in
britain is being marginalized as well.  tony blair's labor is about as
left-wing as bill clinton's democratic party.

>
>
> mat
> mts5@aber.ac.uk
>
peace,
bill
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date:         fri, 29 sep 1995 07:23:19 -0700
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              julie meloni <dmon@hidwater.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         julie meloni <dmon@hidwater.com>
subject:      ig auction last update
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              gogirrrl@aol.com, maclayto@mhc.mtholyoke.edu, gre1440@aol.com,
              ddavies5@mailhost.pd4.ford.com, jlerner@leland.stanford.edu,
              espizz@simons-rock.edu, llevy03@emory.edu,
              doobie@student.umass.edu, nlyng@postoffice.ptd.net,
              lianefu@soho.ios.com

[bidding closes at 6pm pst 9/29/95]

current bids:
---------------------------------------------------

club r&r cd                                     $67 (margaret)
shades of indigo purple cd                     $60 (eric)
joking maxi-cd single with                      $10 (renee)
        joking, ctf, and kid fears (all studio)
green, signed swamp ophelias                 $20 (dave)
                                                     $30 (liane)
                                                     $15 (jenn)
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date:         fri, 29 sep 1995 09:29:22 -0700
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              "teresa c. esguerra" <sac83826@saclink1.csus.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "teresa c. esguerra" <sac83826@saclink1.csus.edu>
subject:      re: e! magazine article-interest?
x-to:         casey connor <chc1@cec.wustl.edu>
in-reply-to:  <pine.sol.3.91.950928135148.13654c-100000@clarion.cec.wustl.edu>

casey,
        please post it babe...where did you get the magazine anyways??

peace and hair grease,
teri
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date:         fri, 29 sep 1995 13:53:04 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              margaret clayton <maclayto@mhc.mtholyoke.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         margaret clayton <maclayto@mhc.mtholyoke.edu>
subject:      gail

is she gail ann dorsey or is she gail andorsey?

margaret
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date:         fri, 29 sep 1995 12:34:22 -0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              casey connor <chc1@cec.wustl.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         casey connor <chc1@cec.wustl.edu>
subject:      bury my heart update/request

hey, could the person who said they have the lyrics to bmhawk, or even
better, someone with the cover me grey lyrics specific to the ig's, email
me? i need the lyrics so i can finish typing up the song and chords.

sorry, i lost the address of the person who offered. :-)

thanks,

/~~ /~\ /~\ |~ \ /
|   |_| \-\ |-  |
\__ | | \_/ |_  |
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date:         fri, 29 sep 1995 13:15:11 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              dandy lion <lift@mindspring.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         dandy lion <lift@mindspring.com>
subject:      re: cree
x-to:         bertin lefkovic <indigboy@eden.rutgers.edu>,
              indigo girls mailing list
              <indigo-girls%netspace.org@rutvm1.rutgers.edu>

at 12:54 pm 9/29/95, bertin lefkovic wrote:
>what time will cree be playing on 10/3 and 10/4; especially 10/4.  if the
>yankees are in the playoffs, i will be devoted to them on those two nights,
>but if they are going on late enough, who knows?  i met the people in cree
>when i was in atlanta, and they are really nice and i liked their music a
>lot.  i will do my best to check them out on these two nights.  talk to ya
>soon.
>
>peace pops
>
>bert


bert-

maddy (cree) didn't give me times but you're a resourceful kinda guy....
hey, did you get my last email regarding the nov. dates?

julie
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date:         fri, 29 sep 1995 12:54:25 edt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              bertin lefkovic <indigboy@eden.rutgers.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         bertin lefkovic <indigboy@eden.rutgers.edu>
subject:      re: cree
x-to:         indigo girls mailing list
              <indigo-girls%netspace.org@rutvm1.rutgers.edu>,
              dandy lion <lift@mindspring.com>
in-reply-to:  your message of fri, 29 sep 1995 10:03:47 -0400

what time will cree be playing on 10/3 and 10/4; especially 10/4.  if the
yankees are in the playoffs, i will be devoted to them on those two nights,
but if they are going on late enough, who knows?  i met the people in cree
when i was in atlanta, and they are really nice and i liked their music a
lot.  i will do my best to check them out on these two nights.  talk to ya
soon.

peace pops

bert
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date:         fri, 29 sep 1995 13:46:00 edt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              sheri stanley <sstanley@infinet.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         sheri stanley <sstanley@infinet.com>
subject:      re: for guitarists only
x-to:         monique barbanson <mhb@batnet.com>

>since we're talking about pc and guitars: has anyone hooked up their
>acoustic guitar to a computer via midi? what gear do you need to do this?
>
>monique

monique,
although i haven't hooked up my guitar to the computer, i thought i'd
respond to your note by letting you know of two great places in cyberspace
where you can get the kind of information you seek...

-rec.music.makers.guitar.acoustic
-rec.music.makers.guitar.tab

there are lots of people in those (and other similar groups) with lots of
experience in using electronics with acoustic guitars.

-sheri
to take the world into one's arms and to act toward it
in a soul-filled and soul-strengthening manner is a
powerful act of wildish spirit.
       -clarissa pinkola estes/women who run with the wolves
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date:         fri, 29 sep 1995 12:20:20 -0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              casey connor <chc1@cec.wustl.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         casey connor <chc1@cec.wustl.edu>
subject:      *** bootleg and other info *** (old, no new info...)

ok! since there are like 20 messages a day on this subject, here's my
feeble attempt to maybe quell some of the undying thirst for info
relating to questions of the nature "what is x and where can i get it",
"what bootleg cd's are out there", etc...

--------------------
indigo bootleg cd's:
--------------------

nothing to hide and days of wine and roses
------------------------------------------

nothing to hide and days of wine and roses came out a while ago. they are
both from germany or italy and are from the night of 6/25/95 (or is it
6/28/95?) at radio city music hall in nyc. dowar and nth are the
abbreviations. they are both pretty good, and are not identical (nth has
chickenman and touch me fall (tmf) on it). i prefer dowar's high levels,
but many believe that nth has the superior audio quality.

history of us
-------------

came out this summer, i believe. the first batch was fraught with errors
(bad tracking, etc...) but subsequent batches seem to be fine. contains
some of a live show at autzen stadium in eugene oregon from like 89 or 90
opening for the grateful dead. contains a cover of melissa by the allman
bro's recorded in the studio from somewhere. also contains what may be
digital copies of tracks from reverse-1 live, a rare promo cd that
routinely auctions for $100-200. ironic, considering these tracks are
basically exactly the same and this cd sells for like $25-30. the live
concert stuff is good, melissa is great, and the r1-live material is
absolutely amazing (this is where you can find the acappella american
tune, livin in the love of the common people, a cool crazy game, land of
canaan, kid fears, and a few more in the brightest buzziest guitar you've
ever heard and full of energy...) great cd.

complicated girls
-----------------

came out very recently. has tracks from the glastonbury festival in
avalon england from 6/25/95 which are fantastic, tracks from nyc 12/5/94
which are good, and 4 from philidelphia pa 12/3/94. a few songs are
repeated, and they only got 4 out 16 track names correct (always amusing.)
of note: bury my heart at wounded knee and midnight train to georgia.

12:00 curfews and watershed and 4.5
-----------------------------------
these are not bootlegs but rather produced cd's. 12:00 curfews is a
double-cd+ set of live tracks. it is also a cd+ which means it has
multimedia type stuff for pc's. cool, eh? there is also an ig
screensaver which has some of the touch me fall video on it. not
the same thing. from sony. watershed is a  video compilation. both 12:00
curfews and watershed are due out october 10th, i believe. 4.5 is a uk
release of greatest hits. all studio cuts.

how do i get these cd's?
------------------------

ok, here's a quick review. first, call rainy day records in atlanta at
1-800-636-6166. ask them. they probably won't have it anymore. then look
in collector catalogs and that kind of thing. you can also post to the
list and ask for anyone selling or willing to trade or copy for you. or
you can ask the list for the addresses of the companies that make the
cd's and order directly from them, though that usually entails an
international money order which lifts your overhead up a little (like
around $15...)

what's indicated i/ii/iii?
--------------------------

indicated (a variation of the deadicated theme... a cd of covers of
grateful dead songs) is a compilation of list musicians' covers of ig
songs. indicated i came out a year or perhaps a few years earlier (i have
no sense of time, sorry) and was followed by indicated ii. iii is
currently being organized, i believe (could be wrong about that...)

what's cover me grey?
---------------------

cover me grey (a play on a very very early amy tape called colour me
grey) is a tape of indigo girl covers from various sources. see the list
for postings about how to get on the tape tree.

what's a tape tree?
-------------------

where the originator of the tape distributes copies to various folks who
then distribute those to various folks. usually only those two levels
high.

what about non-"professional" bootlegs?
---------------------------------------

many listmembers and other ordinary citizens tape shows themselves with
everything from a portable sony tape recorder to a complex setup of
microphones and portable dat machines. these tapes float around and are
copied over and over again.

etiquette demands that you don't come up on the list with some message like:

"hey, i want copies of live shows. someone please post information or
email me."

hopefully, you will not get a response to such messages.

these people are doing you a huge favor, so remember to treat them that
way. most veterans understand that when starting out you can't possibly
trade because you have no boots to start with (i am the classic
example... a _very_ generous person started my collection with like 9
tapes...) remember that you can trade other things (like boots of other
groups, copies of promo stuff you may have, etc...) but don't fall into
the "sure i copy it for you. just send $15 for my trouble." bootlegging
shouldn't be a business. except in rare cases (like indicated iii) when
money is exchanges for very real reasons, you will be able to find
someone to copy stuff for you for free (exceptin a sase and tapes of
course.)

getting started can be difficult, but once you get going, it's not hard.

hope this clears some stuff up.

by the way, probably 100% of this is in the faq and the discography, both
of which i believe are on the web site, the address of which i can not
recall presently.

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=========================================================================
date:         fri, 29 sep 1995 14:07:23 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              margaret clayton <maclayto@mhc.mtholyoke.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         margaret clayton <maclayto@mhc.mtholyoke.edu>
subject:      re: bury my heart update & partial chords
x-to:         casey connor <chc1@cec.wustl.edu>
in-reply-to:  <pine.sol.3.91.950927191719.29928d-100000@clarion.cec.wustl.edu>

well, since so many people are interested in the bury my heart lyrics and
since i already have them typed in, i uploaded them.  i have heard a
shorter version than this (i.e., less improv), but not a longer one.
also, these are not the lyrics from the version on the cover tape, though
the differences are miniscule.  here they are:

indian legislation's on the desk of a do right congressman
he don't know much about the issues so he picks up the phone
and asks the advice of the senator out in indian country
a darling of the energy companies
they're ripping off what's left of the reservation

i've learned this safety rule i don't know who to thank
don't stand between a reservation and the corporate bank
they're sending federal tanks
it isn't nice but it's reality

bury my heart at wounded knee
i said deep in the earth
won't you cover me with pretty lies
bury my heart at wounded knee

they've got these energy companies who want to take our land
and they've got churches by the dozens trying to guide our hand
they turn our mother earth over to pollution
war and greed

bury my heart at wounded knee
i said deep in the earth
won't you cover me with your pretty lies
bury my heart at wounded knee

we've got the federal books
we've got the covert spies
they got the liars by fire they got the fbi
they go to court and get nailed and still leonard peltier goes off
to jail

bury my heart at wounded knee
it was an eighth of the reservation
it was transferred in secret
you got your murdering heart and intimidation
bury my heart

my girlfriend anna may
she talked about uranium
her head was full of bullets and her body dumped
the fbi cut off her hands and told us she died of exposure

bury my heart at wounded knee
i said deep in the earth
won't you cover me with your pretty lies
bury my heart at wounded knee

we had the gold rush wars
why didn't we learn to crawl?
and now our history gets written in a liar's scrawl
they tell me ''honey you can still be an indian, i mean, you
know, wear those little moccasins and play those bingo games
down at the wow saturday night.''
bullshit.

bury my heart at wounded knee
i said deep in the earth
you're going to cover me with your pretty lies
bury my heart at wounded knee

bury my heart at wounded knee
it's an eighth of a reservation
it was transferred in secret
got your murdering heart and intimidation
bury my heart
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date:         fri, 29 sep 1995 19:06:01 +0100
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              mts5@aber.ac.uk
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         matthew joseph smith <mts5@aber.ac.uk>
subject:      re: 4.5, diesel dykes and farm aid
x-to:         william norris <wnorris@soulcage.inmind.com>

on 29th jan 1995, william norris wrote:

>ok, i let the ignorant diesel-dyke comment go, betting on someone else to
>take up that charge.  but this, i will not let go.  mat, i've spent the
>last portion of my life split almost equally between the u.s. and the
>u.k.  you're judgement of the american left (which, i will admit, has
>shrunk to the point where it's barely visible in some places--note the
>democratic party does not mean the left anymore, imho) while true of some
>people is a gross generalization.  true, i call myself a member of the
>left, and yes, i went off and got myself a degree (on scholarship thank
>you), and i am now earning $500 a month working for the left.  you
>comment that the british left still has some connection to its working
>class roots.  that's very apparent in the hampstead labor chapter.  those
>people really see the plight of the working poor.  and, the true left in
>britain is being marginalized as well.  tony blair's labor is about as
>left-wing as bill clinton's democratic party.
>
>
>peace,
>bill
>

if you look in the islington labour "chapter" you might find a few more
people who know about the working poor.   (and gays and lesbians as well,
come to that.)   i do, of course, assume you were being sarcastic about
hampstead, since it's not known as being, er, badly-off (indeed a branch of
macdonalds only recently opened there after local pressure held it off cos
it "lowers the tone").   indeed in my local party (before i came to
aberystwyth) some of the members were talking about ending charitable status
for "public" (a 19th century term, meaning anyone could go there if they had
the money, which was a lot) schools like eton and harrow, and benenden for
girls - and even abolishing them altogether.   believe me, the left has not
shrunk in the british labour party, it's simply been marginalised
(temporarily, we hope) by tony blair and his right-wing cronies who are
supported only because the only other option was john prescott, and if he'd
got into power people would have started talking "dinosaurs" again.   (once
labour gets into power i, for one, hope we can get rid of blair and replace
him with prescott.)   and in scotland and wales it's getting bigger.

as for the american left - if people are supporting the right, it says
something about them, doesn't it?   yes, there are genuinely socially
concerned people in the usa, but if there are so many of them then why the
popularity of people like colin powell and newt gingrich?   it's always been
cool to slag the right, but someone's being dishonest if the right are
gaining electoral popularity.

and to finish off (hopefully) the "diesel-dyke" debate:  the point i was
trying to make was that norris was using a term which, to some minds,
conjured up stereotypical and negative images.   i did not say i supported
such stereotypes. indeed the reason i posted the original note was that it
seemed to me like norris was branding the igs with this stereotype.   and no
i don't base my musical choices on my political views;  as far as the views
amy putnam referred to are concerned, i don't even hold these views.   (mind
you, phil collins' endorsement of margaret thatcher turned me off him a bit,
but his latest album's crap anyway.)

on the subject of homophobia - in melody maker's review of the reading
festival the reviewer, in what can only be described (and was described by
one reader) as bigoted, ageist crap, accused neil young of precisely this
(homophobia, that is).   what was he referring to?   and if it's true (i
suspect not), what have the igs been doing supporting him on some tours and
playing his bridge school benefit gigs?

sorry for the offence, though.
mat
mts5@aber.ac.uk

p.s. amy - i know what you said, but the note was public to begin with.
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date:         fri, 29 sep 1995 14:56:52 edt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              shannon cassaday <daisyday@eden.rutgers.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         shannon cassaday <daisyday@eden.rutgers.edu>
subject:      re: help
x-to:         indigo girls mailing list
              <indigo-girls%netspace.org@rutvm1.rutgers.edu>,
              joan ferguson <joan_ferguson@harvard.edu>
in-reply-to:  your message of thu, 28 sep 1995 14:10:27 -0400

yeah, rob, i'm interested, too, in that tape thing
=========================================================================
date:         fri, 29 sep 1995 13:53:18 -0700
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              dianne <dianne@uci.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         dianne <dianne@uci.edu>
subject:      re: *** bootleg and other info *** (old, no new info...)
x-to:         casey connor <chc1@cec.wustl.edu>
in-reply-to:  <pine.sol.3.91.950929115032.22046e-100000@clarion.cec.wustl.edu>

casey-- this post to the list was very thoughtful, and much appreciated.
i hope those who asked questions (like me!) save it, and refer to it for
others when they ask the same questions.

thanks, casey!
=========================================================================
date:         fri, 29 sep 1995 12:48:04 -0800
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              carla williams <cjwilliams@getty.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         carla williams <cjwilliams@getty.edu>
subject:      gail -reply

good question!
i don't know the answer, but i do know she
played with indigo girls at lehigh and rutgers
universities in april; she sang the michael stipe
part on "kid fears," as well as sang backup on
"midnight train to georgia."  emily did say,
when introducing her, that she would be
coming out with her own cd this fall, and that
she's from philadelphia, pa.

by the way, emily really did gladys knight
proud -- a great rendition.  but, then, i am
beginning to think there is nothing she can't
sing.
=========================================================================
date:         fri, 29 sep 1995 13:40:07 -0600
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              albuquerque hydroponics and lighting <ahl@swcp.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         albuquerque hydroponics and lighting <ahl@swcp.com>
subject:      ig and bootlegs

hey y'all,

    there's been a lot of discussion on the list lately about bootlegs.  i
just wanted to say that when i met amy in phoenix last may (thanks carol!)
i asked her specifically how she felt about bootlegs (since i was doing so
much trading and all). she told me that she didn't care if people bootleg
their shows as long as they didn't make a bunch of money off of it.  she
also said that she bootleged her own shows.


                                         --sunny

albuquerque hydroponics and lighting
1003-a  san mateo se
albuquerque, nm  87108
1-800-753-4617
fax 1-505-255-3677
e-mail  ahl@swcp.com
=========================================================================
date:         fri, 29 sep 1995 15:25:48 -0700
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              "teresa c. esguerra" <sac83826@saclink1.csus.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "teresa c. esguerra" <sac83826@saclink1.csus.edu>
subject:      re: gail
x-to:         margaret clayton <maclayto@mhc.mtholyoke.edu>
in-reply-to:  <pine.ult.3.91.950929135245.15033c-100000@axis.mtholyoke.edu>

margaret,
        in the so song book, her name is written "gail ann dorsey"

ther you go..
teriop
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date:         fri, 29 sep 1995 17:06:08 edt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              mr rodney s wicker <rucr57a@prodigy.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         mr rodney s wicker <rucr57a@prodigy.com>
subject:      disney special

the name of the special on the disney channel is called indigo girls
in concert.  it will be shown at the following dates and times (all
times are eastern and pacific):

october 15-9:00 pm
october 27-10:30 pm & 5:05 am

november 14-10:30 pm
november 16-9:30 pm

enjoy!!!!!
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date:         tue, 1 jan 1985 15:38:51 +0000
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              tdonley@bmgtmail.umd.edu
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
comments:     authenticated sender is <tdonley@bmgtmail.umd.edu>
from:         tdonley@bmgtmail.umd.edu
subject:      re: 2nd auction update

> --------------------------------------------------------
> indigo girls guitar pick... minimum bid $15
> --------------------------------------------------------

this is a bit rediculous since a & e gave them away free at one time
with any purchase from their mail order business.
=========================================================================
date:         fri, 29 sep 1995 13:45:13 -0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              stephanie parsons <parsonss@it.uwp.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         stephanie parsons <parsonss@it.uwp.edu>
subject:      re: all these auctions
x-to:         william norris <wnorris@soulcage.inmind.com>
in-reply-to:  <199509280113.baa21266@soulcage.inmind.com>

on wed, 27 sep 1995, william norris wrote:

> these womyn tour with $10 (and even $7) tickets.  i think they'd be
>angry to see people selling four song promo cd's for tons of money.
>
> call me the last of the hippies and flame away if you want, but it's how
> i feel.

right on!!!!
=========================================================================
date:         fri, 29 sep 1995 14:44:17 cdt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              naz <nazman@iastate.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         naz <nazman@iastate.edu>
subject:      complicated girls question

hi yall,

this is mostly a question for the person with questions about cg that
never got answered... did you ever get an answer?  i was going to send off an
oh-so-speedy reply but can't find your original message.  let me know if
you still need the info!

take care everyone & have a good weekend!
naz
=========================================================================
date:         fri, 29 sep 1995 13:09:45 -0800
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              elana cooper <ecooper@ljcrf.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         elana cooper <ecooper@ljcrf.edu>
subject:      ig bootlegs

hi everyone.  i haven't posted in quite a long time.  but since there has
been recent talk about ig bootlegs and how to obtain them, i figured i'd
help some of you out.

if you are interested in starting an ig bootleg collection, or you are
interested in obtaining more ig bootlegs, please email me.

peace

--elana
=========================================================================
date:         fri, 29 sep 1995 17:51:38 edt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              mr rodney s wicker <rucr57a@prodigy.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         mr rodney s wicker <rucr57a@prodigy.com>
subject:      spencer reprint...

i think it is time to reprint this message that was originally posted
here by stephen spencer.  a lot of people have asked questions that
were answered here:

"a friend happened upon the record-store sheet today for
1200 curfews, the soon to-be-released (10 oct. i think)
double live cd from indigo girls.  thought i'd pass along
some of the highlights...

tracks recorded during the swamp ophelia and honor the earth
tours as well as choice tracks from earlier shows.  over 130
minutes of music.

tracks:

closer to fine, land of canaan, joking, pushing the needle
too far, virginia woolf, stange fire, ghost, mystery, this
train (revised), love's recovery, least complicated, thin
line (gerard mchugh), galileo, i don't wanna know, language
the disney special, taped in london (at the shepherd's bush
1994 shows), will be shown 15 october and three more times
before christmas 1995.

'extensive fan-club advance marketing -- this is the engine
that drove 75,000 people into the stores the first week of
their last record's release!  direct mailings, on-line chats
and wed site info, classified ads in targeted publications
and more will be used in the release.'

(i've heard tangled up in blue & thin line from it --
they're very nice, though thin line doesn't sound like
there's any crowd noise about...

also:

the watershed video compilation will be released at the same
time.  it will contain the following videos:

closer to fine, hammer & a nail, galileo, joking, touch me
fall, least complicated, and power of two.  also will
include "moments from..." reunion, chickenman, get together,
finlandia, southland in the springtime, and more including
concert footage, tv appearances, and behind-the-scenes
footage from life on the road.  one hour in length."
=========================================================================
date:         fri, 29 sep 1995 14:53:49 -0700
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              "teresa c. esguerra" <sac83826@saclink1.csus.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "teresa c. esguerra" <sac83826@saclink1.csus.edu>
subject:      ethics...
x-to:         peter council followill <pfollow@emory.edu>
in-reply-to:  <pine.sv4.3.91.950927015940.9836a-100000@curly>

pete,
        i'd have to say i'm torn on this issue.  some bands hate bootlegs
because of the profit thing.  other bands hate them because they're not
that good of quality.  as a fan, i enjoy the fact that there are options
other than major releases.  if it pisses amy and emily off...then i
wouldn't really know what to think.  i'm assuming they really just don't
mind, but assume makes an "ass" out of "u" and "me"...
        i have bootlegs to thank because i have a resource to hear rare
performances and songs i know they'll never play again.  i'd be much
happier if the girls just allowed taping at shows, something i'm not sure
they've ever done...

my 2 cents,
teri
=========================================================================
date:         fri, 29 sep 1995 15:12:04 -0700
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              "teresa c. esguerra" <sac83826@saclink1.csus.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "teresa c. esguerra" <sac83826@saclink1.csus.edu>
subject:      re: 4.5, diesel dykes and farm aid
x-to:         mts5@aber.ac.uk
in-reply-to:  <199509291220.iaa00406@netspace.org>

matt,
        i think what everyone has taken offense to is the way teh term
"diesel dyke" was used and that in itself could have been misinterpreted
on (at least) my part.
        the fact is that there are so many stereotypes perpetuated out
there.  no one else needs to feed the fire, no matter what the fuck the
meaning is, or what you or me or anyone else intends.  it's so hard to be
pc in this day and age.  it's so hard to walk on eggshells.  i have my
moments.  but i will always count on the fact that people will surprise
me.  whatever the stereotype about lesbians, women, dykes are - never
base anything on that.
        this is beginning not to make sense....it's such a sensitive issue,
especially to me.  i'm just not convinced that there are people out there
who claim not to be homophobic, but still find stupid stereotypes out
there fact.
        i'm just feeling hopeless.  when is change coming around???  teri
=========================================================================
date:         fri, 29 sep 1995 18:28:12 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              cialone annisia r <cialon@cooper.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         cialone annisia r <cialon@cooper.edu>
subject:      re: indigo-girls digest - 18 sep 1995 to 19 sep 1995

i am sorry to write this but i agree with harasb who wrote on sep 19 about
getting unsubscribed.  i also wish to be unsubscribed.  i do not have a lot of
time in my day. i usually only get to check my email once a week for a half
hour and i have other messages to deal with.  i love the indigo girls but really
would like to stop getting this digest.
please unsubscribe cialon@cooper.edu
thank you
=========================================================================
date:         fri, 29 sep 1995 20:15:43 cst
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              u_posa@venus.twu.edu
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         monique posa <u_posa@venus.twu.edu>
subject:      introduction

greetings all!

i'm new to the list and just wanted to introduce myself.  my name is monique
posa and i'm from denton, tx.

i've been a ig fan for about five years.

just bought the jesus christ superstar cd...all i can say is wow!

e-mail me at u_posa@venus.twu.edu

glad to be here!

monique
=========================================================================
date:         fri, 29 sep 1995 21:27:18 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              nlyng@postoffice.ptd.net
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "(eric l. nerino)" <nlyng@postoffice.ptd.net>
subject:      sorry to disagree, but......

hey!

ran across this on sarah mclachlan's list and thought y'all'd like to educate
this gentleman...   :)

>from: "d. jackson" <jacksond@uoguelph.ca>
>to: fumbling-towards-ecstasy@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au
>and for all those indigo girls fans, check out their cd "swamp ophelia"
>because jane (siberry) does back up vocals for the song "mystery".  very cool,
very
>cool! :)
>....but of course sarah surpasses them both! :)

...eric
=========================================================================
date:         fri, 29 sep 1995 22:06:24 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              michael reynolds <asl@gandalf.umcs.maine.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         michael reynolds <asl@gandalf.umcs.maine.edu>
subject:      re: taping of shows
in-reply-to:  <pine.3.89.9509291440.a410-0100000@saclink1.csus.edu> from
              "teresa c. esguerra" at sep 29, 95 02:53:49 pm

actually, they both have let me record before, i went to brandeis in 92 and
got busted at that show (how i will never figure out...i had taped many
shows before that and i know of at least 7 people who recorded that
show...well the next night they were at bates college which was a block
(literally) from where i lived before coming to college, so i snuck in the
sound check and met amy and emily and a really cool girl named allison
schmidt... (who is in london this year for all of those people who wanted to
know) i actually told emily i was busted the night before and she gave me a
vip pass to tape...course allison was waay on top of the situation, and had
a tape rolling during the soundcheck and she did tape brandeis...
   the second time i sorta got their approval was when gail ann dorsey gave
me 2 double a batteries because we couldn't find a strore to get them and
not be massively late to dartmorth earlier this year...
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date:         fri, 29 sep 1995 23:14:24 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              the muse <divrsit@infi.net>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         the muse <divrsit@infi.net>
subject:      re: sorry to disagree, but......
x-cc:         "eric l. nerino" <nlyng@postoffice.ptd.net>

at 09:27 pm 9/29/95 -0400, (eric l. nerino) wrote:
>hey!
>
>ran across this on sarah mclachlan's list and thought y'all'd like to educate
>this gentleman...   :)
>
>>from: "d. jackson" <jacksond@uoguelph.ca>
>>to: fumbling-towards-ecstasy@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au
>>and for all those indigo girls fans, check out their cd "swamp ophelia"
>>because jane (siberry) does back up vocals for the song "mystery".  very cool,
>very
>>cool! :)
>>....but of course sarah surpasses them both! :)
>
>...eric
>

umm ... i happen to be on *both* lists and, i hate to break it you, but that
"gentleman"'s name is lisa!   ;-}

peace,
robin
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date:         fri, 29 sep 1995 21:09:34 -0700
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              moj <moj@crl.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         moj <moj@crl.com>
subject:      re: bootlegs

i've got bootlegs of several different artists including the indigo
girls, and am always up for a trade.  to view my list, point your web
browser to my "house o' moj" web page (address below).  or, if you'd
rather, i can send you a copy via e-mail.

peace!
stacie
--
                ,-----------------------------------.
         )))    | gimme a quarter or i'll touch you |
        (o o)   _)----------------------------------'
----ooo--(_)--ooo-------------------------------------------------------------
                  email:    moj@crl.com
           house o' moj:    http://www.crl.com/~moj/
       adoption options:    http://www.crl.com/~moj/adoption/adoption.html
        fruitopian life:    http://www.crl.com/~moj/fruitopia/fruit.html
              wondervan:    http://www.america.net/~wndrgirl/
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date:         fri, 29 sep 1995 20:54:40 -0700
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              julie meloni <dmon@hidwater.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         julie meloni <dmon@hidwater.com>
subject:      nigc:  need to reach an auction bidder

sorry folks.  jenn who bid on the swamp ophelia vinyl, your mail address
keeps bouncing, so mail me back 'cause your bid was successful and i need to
get address & such from you.  thanks.

julie meloni
dmon@hidwater.com
hidden water ... http://www.hidwater.com/
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date:         fri, 29 sep 1995 23:54:39 edt
reply-to:     jon miner <jjminer@mailbag.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         jon miner <jjminer@mailbag.com>
subject:      finally!  ig t-shirt final (for real this time :)

ok, i've got things figured out.  and i'll break down the cost of the
shirt and all, plus i'll include the description again.

the cost per shirt (unprinted) for s-xl 5.50 a shirt.  the cost for
xxl is $7.00 a shirt.  why the price diff? i dunno.

the cost for the priniting is $6.00 a shirt; therefore, the cost for
printed shirt s-xl is $11.50, the cost per shirt for xxl is $13.00 ..
anyone who has already sent their check will be refunded with their
shirt.  i am keeping careful track of this via an excel spreadsheet,
because there are a lot of orders.

they are being printed on the highest quality shirts that my printer
has available in natural cotton.

the costs for shipping are as follows:

usa - $3.00 per shirt
canada/mexico - $7.00 per shirt
england/australia - $12.00 per shirt

for international orders, please be sure to mail either us dollars
cash or to have your bank issue a money order in us dollars for the
correct amount.

all shirts will be shipped via first-class us mail.  if you wish to
have fed-ex or another carrier, please contact them for instructions
and prices and mail them to me.  please remember to multiply the
shipping cost by the number of shirts, as the shipping will be paid to
the post office, so if you want to send a mailing label with the
correct amount stamped on it, please, feel free.

please mail the money to:

indigo girls t-shirt c/o
jon miner
655 crandall st
madison, wi 53711
usa

description of the shirt follows....

front:
folkisgruven

back:
indigo-girls@netspace.org

"i've no need for anger with intimate strangers"
        -amy ray (reuinion)

left sleeve:
        a + e = ig

right sleeve:
        net.indigo_girls

all will be printed in indigo ink, on natural (organic) unbleached
cotton t-shirts.


                  -*jon*-

...  "death is but a doorway - time is but a window - i'll be back."
                -vigo the omnipotent.

if all the world is a stage....
        then the light at the end of the tunnel...

must be god's way of saying...
        "get off the stage!"


geek code v3.0:
gu!     d?(dx) s a--- c++>+++ u? p?  l e? n+ k- w---(w)
        m-- !v y+ t+ 5 r        tv++ b+(++) d--(----) e-* h!
        r++ y++(**) w++ o+++ pe(-)(--) ps++(+++) pgp x++
        di++ g

*silence = death*

jjminer@mailbag.com  | http://www.wp.com/aids_daily_summary
=========================================================================
date:         sat, 30 sep 1995 02:20:28 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              imgalileo@aol.com
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         imgalileo@aol.com
subject:      3rd auction update

3rd auction update

auction ends 11:59 pm  saturday, october 6th, 95

please remember - cashier's checks or money orders only for payment from high
bid winners. i will update daily.

* a new item...
'tame yourself' cassette (put out by peta),  out of print. rare
indigo girls & michael stipe (r.e.m.)  sing "i'll give you my skin" plus 13
other songs by various singers.
--------------------------------------------------------
club r & r ......................................................$65 (holmes)
--------------------------------------------------------
three hits promotional cd  - full color picture insert
studio version of  "three hits", the rest are live cuts "joking", "galileo",
"ghost", "jonas & ezekial"   -  2 copies available
$25 (dianne)  $30 (paula)
$30 (rick)
--------------------------------------------------------
4.5 uk greatest hits promo - rare
(15 track fold out custom promo w/ biography of their career)
$36 (carolyn)
--------------------------------------------------------
closer to fine uk release promo - rare
(pulled from production - unreleased)
$26 (carolyn)
--------------------------------------------------------
indigo girls guitar pick... minimum bid $15
--------------------------------------------------------
please email privately  - good luck everybody !

im galileo
=========================================================================
date:         sat, 30 sep 1995 03:00:55 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              peter council followill <pfollow@emory.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         peter council followill <pfollow@emory.edu>
subject:      responses

        thanks to everyone for their responses regarding bootleg discs.
i think a lot of us (although i don't like to generalize) think bootleg
discs are wrong when people make money off them.  my impression is that
most of the bootleg discs i see for sale (of various groups) are for
profit, obviously.  perhaps there are some companies that donate a
portion of profits (which means they're still retaining some of the
profits for themselves),but it's still a little bit sketchy when it's not in
the band's hands, in my opinion.
        do indigo girls allow taping at shows for private use, or are
exisiting tapes actual bootlegs (pirated recordings)?  i'd appreciate any
info.  thanks.
-pete

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
peter followill-> pfollow@emory.edu-> emory university-> atlanta,ga
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
=========================================================================
date:         sat, 30 sep 1995 13:01:51 +0100
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              mts5@aber.ac.uk
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         matthew joseph smith <mts5@aber.ac.uk>
subject:      re: 2nd auction update
x-to:         tdonley@bmgtmail.umd.edu

>> --------------------------------------------------------
>> indigo girls guitar pick... minimum bid $15
>> --------------------------------------------------------
>
>this is a bit rediculous since a & e gave them away free at one time
>with any purchase from their mail order business.
>
right on!   not only that but you can get a guitar pick for a 30th of that
price down the guitar shop!   what makes one with "indigo girls" written on
it any different?

i mean, selling a guitar that amy or emily had played for megabucks is one
thing, but a plectrum?

what next?   locks of emily's hair?

mat
mts5@aber.ac.uk
=========================================================================
date:         sat, 30 sep 1995 05:19:14 -0700
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              laurie higgins <stompbox@ix.netcom.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         laurie higgins <stompbox@ix.netcom.com>
subject:      re: denton tx

you wrote:
>
>greetings all!
>
>i'm new to the list and just wanted to introduce myself.  my name is
monique
>posa and i'm from denton, tx.
>

......i know this is not ig discussion, but i just could not
resist...wow denton huh?  ever run in to brad or janet?  :>
=========================================================================
date:         sat, 30 sep 1995 09:39:40 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              nlyng@postoffice.ptd.net
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "(eric l. nerino)" <nlyng@postoffice.ptd.net>
subject:      : )
x-to:         divrsit@infi.net
in-reply-to:  <199509300314.xaa05382@larry.infi.net>

>umm ... i happen to be on *both* lists and, i hate to break it you, but that
>"gentleman"'s name is lisa!   ;-}

ouch.... :) ..... open modem, insert foot

...eric
=========================================================================
date:         sat, 30 sep 1995 09:50:24 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              renee l grebe <grebe+@cmu.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         renee l grebe <grebe+@cmu.edu>
subject:      re: 2nd auction update
in-reply-to:  <199509301202.iaa32386@netspace.org>

excerpts from mail: 30-sep-95 re: 2nd auction update by matthew joseph
smith@abe
> what next?   locks of emily's hair?


ooh ooh, i want one!!!  :)


yeah, i do agree it's sorta crazy but...  it's also a good way to get
stuff that you really want, that you might otherwise really never
find....


renee
=========================================================================
date:         sat, 30 sep 1995 10:32:56 -0400
reply-to:     jude shabry <hey_jude@brown.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         jude shabry <hey_jude@brown.edu>
subject:      my take on the auctions

as listowner, i get a lot of mail from people asking for changes in
how the list is run, whether or not something is "allowed" etc.  i
always respond that the decisions are not made by me but by the
people on the list.  i happen to run it, but that doesn't make me ig
fan number 1.. :)

personally, i don't like the auctions.

i don't like people selling used discs for more than they can be
purchased new.  i don't like people making money on bootlegs when ig
(or emily, at least) said that they don't like it.  it'd be one thing
to add on a bit for the trouble and such, but an auction always
results in highly inflated prices.  i mean, that guitar pick- give me
a break.

i am also a deadhead, so i am familiar with the bootleg philosophy.
at dead shows, if you happen to be parked next to a taper, you have a
damn good chance of getting a copy of that night's show.. :)  anyone
who sells boots is greatly frowned upon.  personally, i see it as
stealing in a very bad way.  the dead allowed people to tape the shows
on the condition that those tapes not be sold.  copying is fine,
though.  the idea that people would take that generosity and twist it
around..  well, anyway..  the ig situation isn't quite the same, but
still.

anyway, i'm not going to personally ban auctions from the list.  i
don't feel i have that right.  however, i *am* willing to go with what
the majority wants.  so if there was a vote, i would go with the
results.

*sigh*

    -jude
     http://www.netspace.org/~jude/
=========================================================================
date:         sat, 30 sep 1995 12:40:40 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              margaret clayton <maclayto@mhc.mtholyoke.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         margaret clayton <maclayto@mhc.mtholyoke.edu>
subject:      complicated girls (philly)

a friend asked me to forward this to the list.

margaret

---------- forwarded message ----------
date: fri, 29 sep 1995 22:09:03 -0400 (edt)
from: kathryn gullo <kgullo@netaxs.com>
to: margaret clayton <maclayto@mhc.mtholyoke.edu>
subject: re: woo hooo goddess

margaret, i meant it....whenever you are ready.  must be crazy.  can
you do me a huge favor.  tell the list that if anyone in the philly area
wants complicated girls that plastic fantastic in ardmore has it and
tower on south street has 4.5.  thanks.  i kinda miss the list, but when
school started and a lot of people got access, it just became too much.

kat
=========================================================================
date:         sat, 30 sep 1995 11:54:12 -0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              esf3764@utarlg.uta.edu
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         elisha s foust <esf3764@utarlg.uta.edu>
subject:      re: denton tx
x-to:         laurie higgins <stompbox@ix.netcom.com>
in-reply-to:  <199509301219.faa11578@ix6.ix.netcom.com>

good one laurie!
elisha

on sat, 30 sep 1995, laurie higgins wrote:

> you wrote:
> >
> >greetings all!
> >
> >i'm new to the list and just wanted to introduce myself.  my name is
> monique
> >posa and i'm from denton, tx.
> >
>
> ......i know this is not ig discussion, but i just could not
> resist...wow denton huh?  ever run in to brad or janet?  :>
>
=========================================================================
date:         sat, 30 sep 1995 13:39:27 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              sara lubitz <sel12@cornell.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         sara lubitz <sel12@cornell.edu>
subject:      re: 2nd auction update
x-to:         mts5@aber.ac.uk

>>> --------------------------------------------------------
>>> indigo girls guitar pick... minimum bid $15
>>> --------------------------------------------------------
>>
>just go to a show and catch one.  i f you truly are faithful fans you
>would already have an accumulation of guitar picks.  fifteen dollars is
>steep.  just get up at the front at a show and chances are you will get a
>pick.  at the skidmore shoe alone, five of my friends and i all caught
>picks!
=========================================================================
date:         sat, 30 sep 1995 13:45:30 -0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              johnstcl@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "catherine l. johnston" <johnstcl@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu>
subject:      please help mere: ethics...
x-to:         "teresa c. esguerra" <sac83826@saclink1.csus.edu>
in-reply-to:  <pine.3.89.9509291440.a410-0100000@saclink1.csus.edu>

i love the indigo girls, don't get me wrong, and that is why i put my
address on the mailing list........however, the messages are clogging up
my mailbox, making it impossible for my friends to reach me.  i have
tried many different ways to get off the list, but nothing seems to
work....please help me!!! what do i need to do?
        catherine johnston

johnstcl@miavx1.muohio.edu
=========================================================================
date:         sat, 30 sep 1995 14:33:41 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              "lori h. levy" <llevy03@emory.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "lori h. levy" <llevy03@emory.edu>
subject:      re: my take on the auctions
in-reply-to:  <199509301432.kaa04790@cis-ts3-slip11.cis.brown.edu>

hello all,

i had been warned that something like this might be coming, but since i
received no "unfriendly" mail during my auction, i assumed that
everything was cool.  i guess i was wrong.

> i don't like people selling used discs for more than they can be
> purchased new.  i don't like people making money on bootlegs when ig
> (or emily, at least) said that they don't like it.

i was hoping i wouldn't have to do this, but here goes...

1) in the vast majority of cases, the minimum bid posted for items was
at or *below* what i paid for them.  the person holding the auction cannot
control what people are willing to bid for certain items.  it may very
well be that no one bids on a certain item or that the high bid is below
the seller's purchase price.  in several cases, however, i went out of my
way to explain to people that they could potentially buy the item new for
less than they were bidding.  the problem is that several (though certainly
not all) of the items on my list were items that are no longer
generally available (or are at least much-harder-than-average to
find).  i also pointed out to several people that they could potentially
find certain things in goldmine for less than what was being bid on
certain items.  if they *still* want to make a certain bid, what am i
supposed to do?

2) how is a person supposed to make a fair choice about who to sell a
relatively rare item to?  i suppose i could have said, "the first person
who offers so-and-so gets it," but how fair is that to people who don't
happen to be logged on at that particular time?

3) i do not make any money off bootlegging.  the things i was selling were
generally promos or out-of-print, original items.  i have made taped
copies of certain bootlegs for *many* people, and i *never* ask for
anything except a blank and postage.

look, if the majority of people on the list want auctions banned, i guess
i'll just have to live with it.  but, i don't think it's fair to the people
who are into collecting to deny them the right to use this forum as a
place to find rare and hard-to-find ig (and related) items that they've
been searching for for a long time.  isn't an ig list a logical place to
give ig fans access to rare ig merchandise?

and as far as the guitar pick goes, that's not my auction, but isn't it
funny that we're all up in arms about the $15 guitar pick and yet no one
has actually bid on it (and no one probably will after this brouhaha)?
if it doesn't sell, the person will either have to lower her asking price
or just keep it.  what's the big deal?

for me, the answer seems simple: if you don't like or believe in
auctions, don't bid on anything.  you can even go so far as to post a
note to the list and try to make everyone who *is* participating in the
auction feel guilty about it.  make reasoned arguments about why auctions
are bad news.  post notes on where people can find the auction items for
less.  but banning auctions from the list seems pretty extreme to me.

defensively yours,

lori
llevy03@emory.edu
=========================================================================
date:         sat, 30 sep 1995 13:52:20 -0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              stephanie parsons <parsonss@it.uwp.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         stephanie parsons <parsonss@it.uwp.edu>
subject:      re: my take on the auctions
x-to:         "lori h. levy" <llevy03@emory.edu>
in-reply-to:  <pine.sv4.3.91.950930134518.7543b-100000@larry>

on sat, 30 sep 1995, lori h. levy wrote:

> and as far as the guitar pick goes, that's not my auction,
so dont take this as a personal insult....
> but isn't it
> funny that we're all up in arms about the $15 guitar pick and yet no one
> has actually bid on it
no...its not funny...i expected it because most people know that it is an
extremely outrageous price to pay

> note to the list and try to make everyone who *is* participating in the
feel guilty

well there is a reason that i would feel guilty, and im not saying that
other people should feel guilty, but i would feel guilty if i sold
something that i bought, or even got for free, for much more than what i
paid for it, thus making me profit off of the indigo girls work...seems
like they are being...exploited and sort of used.  it just doesnt seem
right to me, especially since the whole indigo girls scene, if you want
to call it that, has nothing to do with profit and it is so caring and
friendly and everyone shares what they have because of the love of the
indigo girls music, it seems wrong to take that love that people have and
take advantage of it.  i love the fact that i can email someone about a
bootleg of a show that i really really want and they will record it for
the cost of a tape and postage...no profit at all.  there is a stor in
milwaukee that makes grateful dead bootlegs for free.  a store!!  all
they ask is that you bring in tapes, no more than 4 at a time and they
will do it for no cost whatsoever.  everyone is happy this way.  the
artist is not being exploited and the fans gro wto love the music even
more because of these opportunities they have to hear live music.
anyways...i wish we could all keep the spirit of the indigo girls in our
minds when we are trading music, and seeling it and not try to make money
off other peoples talents.

sorry for the tangent.
stephanie
=========================================================================
date:         sat, 30 sep 1995 12:18:04 pdt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              monique barbanson <mhb@batnet.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         monique barbanson <mhb@batnet.com>
subject:      re: please help me & netiquette

it seems like we are getting a lot of replies sent to the whole list
instead of the message originator, even when the content is a private
communication. this increases the traffic on the list and makes it
difficult to keep up with the list. several people have had to unsubscribe
in the last week because of traffic apparently.

here is a copy of a note i sent to laurie and a couple of others privately.
it might be of use to others on the list:

*****
i just wanted to mention that the message you sent above is probably meant
to be a private message to the originator and not to the whole list. you
can avoid cluttering up other people's mailboxes with messages not destined
for them by editing the to: line of your message after you use the reply
command and removing the list address from it. it is usually good
netiquette to do this with private messages. if you already knew it and
just forgot to remove the list address, please ignore my note. i just
figure we should educate each other to try and make using this list as
pleasant as possible for everyone.
****

hope this helps,

monique

ps: please send mail directly to the list server to unsubscribe from the
list. here's a copy of the message i got from the list server on joining
which explains how to do this and other things:

please save this message for future  reference, especially if you are not
familiar with listserv.  this might look like a waste  of disk space now,
but in  6 months  you will be  glad you saved  this information  when you
realize that  you cannot remember what  are the lists you  are subscribed
to, or  what is the command  to leave the  list to avoid filling  up your
mailbox while you are on vacations. in fact, you should create a new mail
folder for subscription confirmation messages  like this one, and for the
"welcome  messages"  from the  list  owners  that you  will  occasionally
receive after subscribing to a new list.

to send  a message to  all the people  currently subscribed to  the list,
just send mail to indigo-girls@netspace.org. this is called "sending mail
to the  list", because  you send  mail to a  single address  and listserv
makes  copies  for all  the  people  who  have subscribed.  this  address
(indigo-girls@netspace.org) is  also called the "list  address". you must
never try to send any command to that address, as it would be distributed
to all the people  who have subscribed. all commands must  be sent to the
"listserv  address",  listserv@netspace.org.  it  is  very  important  to
understand  the difference  between the  two, but  fortunately it  is not
complicated. the  listserv address  is like  a fax  number, and  the list
address is like a normal phone line.  if you make your fax call someone's
regular phone number by mistake, it  will be an unpleasant experience for
him  but you  will probably  be  excused the  first  time. if  you do  it
regularly,  however, he  will probably  get upset  and send  you a  nasty
complaint. it  is the same with  mailing lists, with the  difference that
you are calling  hundreds or thousands of  people at the same  time, so a
lot more people get annoyed if you use the wrong number.

you may  leave the list at  any time by sending  a "signoff indigo-girls"
command to listserv@netspace.org. you can also tell listserv how you want
it to confirm the receipt of messages you send to the list. if you do not
trust the  system, send a  "set indigo-girls repro" command  and listserv
will send you a  copy of your own messages, so that you  can see that the
message was distributed and did not get damaged on the way. after a while
you  may find  that this  is getting  annoying, especially  if your  mail
program does not  tell you that the  message is from you  when it informs
you  that new  mail has  arrived from  indigo-girls. if  you send  a "set
indigo-girls  ack  norepro"  command,  listserv will  mail  you  a  short
acknowledgement  instead,  which  will  look different  in  your  mailbox
directory. with most mail programs you will know immediately that this is
an  acknowledgement  you  can  read  later. finally,  you  can  turn  off
acknowledgements completely with "set indigo-girls noack norepro".

following  instructions from  the list  owner, your  subscription options
have been  set to "repro"  rather than  the usual listserv  defaults. for
more information about subscription  options, send a "query indigo-girls"
command to listserv@netspace.org.

contributions sent to this list are automatically archived. you can get a
list of  the available archive  files by sending an  "index indigo-girls"
command to listserv@netspace.org.  you can then order these  files with a
"get indigo-girls  logxxxx" command, or using  listserv's database search
facilities. send an  "info database" command for more  information on the
latter.

please note that  it is presently possible for anybody  to determine that
you are signed  up to the list  through the use of  the "review" command,
which returns the e-mail address and  name of all the subscribers. if you
do  not want  your name  to be  visible, just  issue a  "set indigo-girls
conceal" command.

more  information on  listserv  commands  can be  found  in the  listserv
reference  card, which  you can  retrieve  by sending  an "info  refcard"
command to listserv@netspace.org.
=========================================================================
date:         sat, 30 sep 1995 16:00:41 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              jo norvelle walker <jo@pluto.njcc.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         jo norvelle walker <jo@pluto.njcc.com>
subject:      re: 2nd auction update

>what next?   locks of emily's hair?


when does the bidding begin??

jo
=========================================================================
date:         sat, 30 sep 1995 16:11:12 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              william norris <wnorris@soulcage.inmind.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         william norris <wnorris@soulcage.inmind.com>
subject:      re: my take on the auctions
in-reply-to:  <pine.sv4.3.91.950930134518.7543b-100000@larry> from "lori h.
              levy" at sep 30, 95 02:33:41 pm

>
> hello all,
>
>
> 1) in the vast majority of cases, the minimum bid posted for items was
> at or *below* what i paid for them.  the person holding the auction cannot
> control what people are willing to bid for certain items.  it may very
> well be that no one bids on a certain item or that the high bid is below
> the seller's purchase price.  in several cases, however, i went out of my
> way to explain to people that they could potentially buy the item new for
> less than they were bidding.  the problem is that several (though certainly
> not all) of the items on my list were items that are no longer
> generally available (or are at least much-harder-than-average to
> find).  i also pointed out to several people that they could potentially
> find certain things in goldmine for less than what was being bid on
> certain items.  if they *still* want to make a certain bid, what am i
> supposed to do?
>

well, my solution would be this.  say i have a copy of shades that i no
longer want (for some unkown reason).  and say i paid $15.00 for it.  i'd
sell it for $15.00 plus postage by posting a note to the list saying,
shades for sale, $15.00 plus postage.  anyone interested, e-mail me.
after a set period of time from the original post (oh, two days?), i'd
put all the names in the hat, pull one out, and that person gets shades.

in the case of a reeealy rare item, say the self-titled ep, i wouldn't be
unhappy if it was offered at current market prices (say an average of the
offerings in the latest goldmine).  i mean, if you bought the ep at a
show in the mid-80s for five bucks, and now you want to sell it, the
current market is probably fair...although, as a fan, i'd keep the original
and trade copies for blanks and postage.

> lori
> llevy03@emory.edu
>

peace,
bill

who paid $1.99 for the three hits promo a few years back, wouldn't sell
it for the world, and certainly not for $50.
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date:         sat, 30 sep 1995 15:23:35 -0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              rascal@vax1.bemidji.msus.edu
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         brooke ann foster <rascal@vax1.bemidji.msus.edu>
subject:      hello again!

oh happy day!

i have access to the net again!

i can resubscribe to the list!!!!!!!!!!

sorry, but i missed you guys this summer.

hi, it's brooke f.  i was on the list breifly last year, but summer vacation
deprived me of access to my account.

oh, last year i got a ton of responces from people who wanted a copy of the
reasorces people sent me for literature dealing with homosexuality and the
church.  i printed out all the info i got and condensed it over the summer.
so, hopefully sometime in the next week or so, i will be able to transfer it
to my vax account and send it out to all of you who wanted it.  i am so sorry it
has taken this long, but the computer i was to be using had really really really
restricted use onit (my ex-boyfriends parents have this thing about people
tying up the phone so that people cannot get  through on call waiting, so
we had to wait till after midnight to log on, and working at 7:30 am.. well...)
and eventually the computer ended up in a million pieces on his floor, and i
learned a thing or two about the magic of "upgrading".  so access to my account
came in intervals of about five minutes a piece.  but not to fear, now i have
my schools computer lab, and i can spend as much time as i want on the 'puter
and wount tie up a single phone *smile*.

so i guess thats it.  i just wanted to say i'm back!

*giggle*

i really need to cut down on the caffine.

seeya!

brooke
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date:         sat, 30 sep 1995 15:40:48 -0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              carolyn <underdog@onramp.net>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         carolyn <underdog@onramp.net>
subject:      auctions - a solution?

here is a possible solution to the auction debate:

if you have some items that you want to get rid of, post to the list that if
anyone is interested they should email you privately for details.  at that
time you provide them with a list of what you have and whether or not the
items are for trade, sale, or auction.  then only post updates of the
trade/sale/auction to the people who have contacted you privately.  it is a
little more work for the person that is trying to get rid of the items, but
that seems fair since they are benefiting from using the list to find people
who are interested in their stuff.

whatever policy is decided on, i think it would really benefit the list if
the info was included in the faq, and if the faq was either automatically
emailed to new subscribers, or they received a pointer as to where they
could locate it and were asked to read it before posting to the list.  it
seems like we would all benefit if when threads are begun that are obviously
appeal to a very narrow group of people on the list the carry a tag asking
people to respond in private.

carolyn
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date:         sat, 30 sep 1995 15:46:06 -0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              "dwayne d. jarrell" <djarrell@glaci.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "dwayne d. jarrell" <djarrell@glaci.com>
subject:      re: bury my heart update & partial chords

>down at the wow saturday night.''

i think that one is "y on saturday night".  i was guessing it meant ymca (or
ywca).  can anyone confirm?

:dwayne

dwayne jarrell (djarrell@ren.glaci.com)
"don't fool yourself into thinking things are simple
nobody's lying and still the stories don't line up"
- ani difranco
=========================================================================
date:         sat, 30 sep 1995 16:41:52 +0600
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              jack mitchell <jamitch3@vt.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         jack mitchell <jamitch3@vt.edu>
subject:      re: hello again!
x-to:         rascal@vax1.bemidji.msus.edu

>
>oh, last year i got a ton of responses from people who wanted a copy of the
>reasorces people sent me for literature dealing with homosexuality and the
>church.  i printed out all the info i got and condensed it over the summer.
>so, hopefully sometime in the next week or so, i will be able to transfer it
>to my vax account and send it out to all of you who wanted it.

i would be interested in a copy of that too.  though i'm not gay, i have a
number of friends who are.  also, our canterbury fellowship (the episcopal
college fellowship) just had a bible study about homosexuality.   in that,
we found a reference that none of us had seen before (romans 1:24-32).  it
wasn't like the leviticus references that could be discounted as being out
of date, or as a translation problem.  i'd be interested to know anything
you have read about that passage.

thanks,

jack
________________________________________________________
jack mitchell
jamitch3@vt.edu
106 west eggleston hall
virginia tech
blacksburg, va 24060-0020
phone: (540) 232-6371
http://www.sv.vt.edu/mitchell/

the best is perhaps what we understand least.
                                    --c.s. lewis
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date:         sat, 30 sep 1995 15:46:31 -0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              "dwayne d. jarrell" <djarrell@glaci.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "dwayne d. jarrell" <djarrell@glaci.com>
subject:      re: 4.5, diesel dykes and farm aid
x-to:         mts5@aber.ac.uk

>p.s. amy - i know what you said, but the note was public to begin with.

that does not mean that it must remain public.  take it to private email,
dammit!

:dwayne

dwayne jarrell (djarrell@ren.glaci.com)
"don't fool yourself into thinking things are simple
nobody's lying and still the stories don't line up"
- ani difranco
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date:         sat, 30 sep 1995 17:08:46 edt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              "christopher m. becker" <cmbecker@space.mit.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "christopher m. becker" <cmbecker@space.mit.edu>
subject:      re: auctions - a solution?
in-reply-to:  <199509302040.paa18139@mailhost.onramp.net>; from "carolyn" at
              sep 30, 95 3:40 pm

another option would be to donate any true "profits" to a ig "related
cause."  this follows up on kirsti's idea which was truly wonderful.

                                -- chris
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date:         sat, 30 sep 1995 14:13:41 -0700
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              pamela shaw <sparkle@primenet.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         pamela shaw <sparkle@primenet.com>
subject:      re: bury my heart update & partial chords
x-to:         "dwayne d. jarrell" <djarrell@glaci.com>

at 03:46 pm 9/30/95 -0500, dwayne d. jarrell wrote:
>>down at the wow saturday night.''
>
>i think that one is "y on saturday night".  i was guessing it meant ymca (or
>ywca).  can anyone confirm?


definately the y (ymca)

peace..
pamela
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date:         sat, 30 sep 1995 22:51:05 +0100
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              mr neil hunt <ph21nh@ph.surrey.ac.uk>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         mr neil hunt <ph21nh@ph.surrey.ac.uk>
subject:      auctions and things...

heyas :)

things are worth what people are prepared to pay...think about it...would you
want a copy of leaf hound's one and only album if i were giving them away??
some people would pay $800 for the chance...

so maybe someone out there would love to pay $15 for a small piece of plastic
that they'd be too scared to use for its original purpose...

@}--,-'---


  neily :)            indigogirlsjellyfishdeaconblueedenburningtracychapmanaimee
   41 mountside        mannbeatlesbuddyhollydannywilsonbillyjoelshawncolvinmaria
    guildford           mckeefairgroundattractioneverlybrothersdelamitribandomd
     @}--,--'---         royorbisonjuliemillerjamroxettecarolekingandmanymore...
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date:         sat, 30 sep 1995 18:22:13 -0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              rebecca gaukroger <gaukroge@students.uiuc.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         rebecca gaukroger <gaukroge@students.uiuc.edu>
subject:      poster...

a question, oh knowledgeable ones:

i went to a record fair today, and someone told me that i could buy an ig
'pickneys store' poster (3 hits, i assume) for $15 from him.  am i being
ripped-off, or won't i find it for any less (i'd like it because it's a
*cool* picture)?

                thanks y'all,

                        rebecca.

     *****************************************************************

     "a dreamer is one who can only find his way by moonlight, and his
     punishment is that he sees the dawn before the rest of the world"
                                                        oscar wilde
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date:         sat, 30 sep 1995 19:26:55 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              imgalileo@aol.com
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         imgalileo@aol.com
subject:      4th auction update
x-cc:         plaine@seaccd.ctc.edu, pmrlm1@gannonlab.gannon.edu,
              jmcphee884@aol.com, benh@inlink.com, mrbcom@earthlink.net,
              kking@hiwaay.net, vanhemel@posh.internext.com,
              deannal@parallel.park.uga.edu, locshoot@aol.com,
              nlyng@postoffice.ptd.net, jone3176@saintmarys.edu,
              napikosk@chaph.usc.edu, ph21nh@ph.surrey.ac.uk, debbie@mei.com,
              ecooper@ljcrf.edu, carrieb@gladstone.uoregon.edu,
              yvzy46a@prodigy.com, hrstruggle@aol.com, espizz@simons-rock.edu,
              hummella@craft.camp.clarkson.edu, rickstr@vnet.ibm.com,
              underdog@onramp.net, esf3764@utarlg.uta.edu,
              rcxsj@unix.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk, gaukroge@students.uiuc.edu,
              km5@ornl.gov

3rd auction update

auction ends 11:59 pm  saturday, october 6th, 95

please remember - cashier's checks or money orders only for payment from high
bid winners. i will update daily.

* a new
item..........................................................................
........................
'tame yourself' cassette (put out by peta),  out of print. rare
indigo girls & michael stipe (r.e.m.)  sing "i'll give you my skin"
plus 13 other songs by various singers.
--------------------------------------------------------
club r & r -  rare cd promo ........................................$75
(sept301955)
--------------------------------------------------------
three hits promotional cd  - full color picture insert
studio version of  "three hits", the rest are live cuts "joking",
"galileo", "ghost", "jonas & ezekial"   -  3 copies available
$25 (dianne)  $30 (paula)  $30 (rick)
--------------------------------------------------------
4.5 uk greatest hits promo - rare
(15 track fold out custom promo w/ biography of their career)
$36 (carolyn)
--------------------------------------------------------
closer to fine uk release promo - rare
(pulled from production - unreleased)
$30 (elisha)
--------------------------------------------------------
indigo girls guitar pick... minimum bid $15
--------------------------------------------------------
please email privately  - good luck everybody !

im galileo
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date:         sat, 30 sep 1995 19:04:11 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              the searcher <kidfears@tezcat.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         the searcher <kidfears@tezcat.com>
subject:      re: auctions - a solution?
x-to:         carolyn <underdog@onramp.net>

at 03:40 pm 9/30/95 -0500, you wrote:
>here is a possible solution to the auction debate:
>
>if you have some items that you want to get rid of, post to the list that if
>anyone is interested they should email you privately for details.  at that
>time you provide them with a list of what you have and whether or not the
>items are for trade, sale, or auction.  then only post updates of the
>trade/sale/auction to the people who have contacted you privately.  it is a
>little more work for the person that is trying to get rid of the items, but
>that seems fair since they are benefiting from using the list to find people
>who are interested in their stuff.


i agree 100% with you caroline!!!!
the intial posting of the auction is fine (imho) for the list -- but
subsequent updates should be mailed only to those who have showed interest.

marianne

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date:         sat, 30 sep 1995 17:23:45 -0700
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              "teresa c. esguerra" <sac83826@saclink1.csus.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "teresa c. esguerra" <sac83826@saclink1.csus.edu>
subject:      re: spencer reprint...
x-to:         mr rodney s wicker <rucr57a@prodigy.com>
in-reply-to:  <013.02103393.rucr57a@prodigy.com>

on fri, 29 sep 1995, mr rodney s wicker wrote:

> also:
>
> the watershed video compilation will be released at the same
> time.  it will contain the following videos:
>
> closer to fine, hammer & a nail, galileo, joking, touch me
> fall, least complicated, and power of two.  also will
> include "moments from..." reunion, chickenman, get together,
> finlandia, southland in the springtime, and more including
> concert footage, tv appearances, and behind-the-scenes
> footage from life on the road.  one hour in length."

        gosh i hope this isn't true.  the little tower computer ("muze")
gave me the impression that "watershed" was a little more extensive.  it
listed "get together" and "finlandia" as what i assume to be videos
showed in their entirety...
        i'm rather ignorant when it comes to the ig video collection.
anyone know if there are more videos than the ones listed above...full
length videos???

peace and hair grease,
teri
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date:         sat, 30 sep 1995 17:48:39 -0700
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              "teresa c. esguerra" <sac83826@saclink1.csus.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "teresa c. esguerra" <sac83826@saclink1.csus.edu>
subject:      re: poster...
x-to:         rebecca gaukroger <gaukroge@students.uiuc.edu>
in-reply-to:  <pine.sola.3.91.950930181648.7664a-100000@ux5.cso.uiuc.edu>

rebecca,
        if it's the pickney's store picture like the one shown in out
magazine, i  would have paid up to thirty...


peace,
teri
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date:         sat, 30 sep 1995 21:18:36 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              margaret clayton <maclayto@mhc.mtholyoke.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         margaret clayton <maclayto@mhc.mtholyoke.edu>
subject:      (romans 1:24-32, homosexuality in the bible.  was: hello again!)
x-to:         jack mitchell <jamitch3@vt.edu>
in-reply-to:  <199509302044.qaa21463@netspace.org>

sorry for the nigc.  just thought some more people might want to jump in
before this goes to private email, if it goes to private email.

on sat, 30 sep 1995, jack mitchell wrote:

> we found a reference that none of us had seen before (romans 1:24-32).  it
> wasn't like the leviticus references that could be discounted as being out
> of date, or as a translation problem.  i'd be interested to know anything
> you have read about that passage.

i actually studied this in a nt class that i took last year.  my notes
are filed away somewhere at home (i'm in the library now), but i will dig
them out if anyone wants to know more than i remember.

imho, the point of this passage is not that men and women started having
sex with themselves, giving up "natural intercourse" and thus became
corrupt and should be murdered.   it is, rather, that these romans had
succumbed to the sins of the flesh (gr., sarx, a strong term), which
include the list in rom 1:29-31  the dionysiac orgies, which many think
is what so offends paul, were a sin not because they included homosexual
sex, but rather because they were orgies--something driven by a fleshly
desire.  in this pauline community, dualism was very prominent:
everything was either of god or of the flesh.  orgies fall into the flesh
category.

also, in this period, sex was generally seen as a sin of the flesh.
there were monastic communities in the third century b.c., so the idea
that unnecessary sex (i.e., not for the explicit purpose of reproduction)
was "of the flesh" was hardly new in the first century a.d.

moreover, misogyny already existed when romans was written, so who's to
say that paul wasn't a homophobe?


cheers,
margaret
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date:         sat, 30 sep 1995 21:52:41 -0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              alycia n broz <anb038@nwu.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         alycia n broz <anb038@nwu.edu>
subject:      womens music

        i would like to take this opportunity to vent, and to get some reactions.
        this week i went to border's books and music on michigan ave. in downtown chicago.  while there, i went digging through their cd collection.  i was looking for ani defranco, among others.  i looked but could not find her in the "pop/rock" section, nor could i find her in the "folk" section.  however, i kept looking.  my search took me to the back corner of the store, farthest away from the escalators, far away from anything, actually.
        in this corner, i found a small section with an even smaller label, entitling the little corner "womens music."  here i found ferron, new mongrels, the ig jesus christ superstar cd, ban de soleil, disappear fear, and ani defranco.
        my question is, why the segregation?  why put them in a small corner far away from the other cds.  can't men hear the music when these cds are played? shouldn't ferron be in the "folk" section?
        i was, and still am mad.  border's decision also has social and economic reprecussions.  why ostracize these artists in this manner.  the economics is basic, if no one can find the cds, no one can purchase them.  what's going on here?  does anyone have an explanation?  am i missing something?  am i rightfully angry?


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