lifeblood: listlogs: 1995-10a


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date:         sat, 30 sep 1995 23:01:25 edt
reply-to:     jon miner <jjminer@mailbag.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         jon miner <jjminer@mailbag.com>
subject:      more on shirts

i somehow omitted this from yesterdays mail about the shirts, but all
orders must be sent by tomorrow evening.  i will be ordering them at
that time.  thanks

                  -*jon*-

...  "death is but a doorway - time is but a window - i'll be back."
                -vigo the omnipotent.

if all the world is a stage....
        then the light at the end of the tunnel...

must be god's way of saying...
        "get off the stage!"


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        di++ g

*silence = death*

jjminer@mailbag.com  | http://www.wp.com/aids_daily_summary
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date:         sun, 1 oct 1995 00:43:19 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              "jean m. bardin" <jmbardin@mailbox.syr.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "jean m. bardin" <jmbardin@mailbox.syr.edu>
subject:      re: rolling stone ...
x-to:         guinione@aol.com
in-reply-to:  <950928174957_31837857@mail04.mail.aol.com>

on thu, 28 sep 1995 guinione@aol.com wrote:

> yeah ... maybe amy hasn't punched anybody (although she shoved someone once
> who grabbed her - amy didn't appreciate it:) ... anyways ... didn't she once
> break a string on her guitar (more than once this particular show) and take
> the guitar off an toss it down on the stage, then proceed to walk off stage
> .... leaving emily slightly surprised ...
>
> someone told me this awhile ago ... i'm not sure where or when it exactly
> happened ...
>
i saw a show in april '94, where amy broke a string in the middle of
"pushing the needle too far".  she took the guitar off and held it out,
put no one came to get it.  emily started yelling to someone offstage,
but still no one responded.  finally amy set the guitar down on the stage
while she was still singing.  it was really awkward for her to do it.  a
minute later some guy sort of snuck out and grabbed the guitar.  amy
stopped singing and went offstage after him.  she was gone for a bit,
while emily just kept on playing and looking offstage where amy had
gone.  when amy came back out she had a guitar, went back to the song
from about the point when the whole thing started, and did a killer
rendition.  i don't think i'd ever want her pissed at me!
        -on a related note--i hung around afterwards, and when amy came
out someone thanked her for doing "pushing the needle too far", saying it
was one of their favorites.  amy said, "yeah, sorry i fucked it up."

-jean
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date:         sun, 1 oct 1995 01:09:22 -0700
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              kristi vockler <psu01029@odin.cc.pdx.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         kristi vockler <psu01029@odin.cc.pdx.edu>
subject:      boots

has anyone seen a boot for the portland, oregon part of the honor the
earth tour?

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date:         sun, 1 oct 1995 05:19:37 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              imgalileo@aol.com
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         imgalileo@aol.com
subject:      4th
x-cc:         plaine@seaccd.sccd.ctc.edu, pmrlm1@gannonlab.gannon.edu,
              jmcphee884@aol.com, benh@inlink.com, mrbcom@earthlink.net,
              kking@hiwaay.net, vanhemel@posh.internext.com,
              deannal@parallel.park.uga.edu, locshoot@aol.com,
              nlyng@postoffice.ptd.net, jone3176@saintmarys.edu,
              napikosk@chaph.usc.edu, ph21nh@ph.surrey.ac.uk, debbie@mei.com,
              ecooper@ljcrf.edu, carrieb@gladstone.uoregon.edu,
              yvzy46a@prodigy.com, hrstruggle@aol.com, espizz@simons-rock.edu,
              hummella@craft.camp.clarkson.edu, rickfstr@vnet.ibm.com,
              underdog@onramp.net, esf3764@utarlg.uta.edu,
              rcxsj@unix.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk, gaukroge@students.uiuc.edu,
              km5@ornl.gov

4th auction update

auction ends 11:59 pm  saturday, october 6th, 95

please remember - cashier's checks or money orders only for payment from high
bid winners. i will update daily.

* a new
item..........................................................................
..................
'tame yourself' cassette (put out by peta),  out of print. rare
indigo girls & michael stipe (r.e.m.)  sing "i'll give you my skin"
plus 13 other songs by various singers.
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club r & r -  rare cd promo ........................................$75
(sept301955)
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three hits promotional cd  - full color picture insert
studio version of  "three hits", the rest are live cuts "joking",
"galileo", "ghost", "jonas & ezekial"   -  3 copies available
$25 (dianne)  $30 (paula)  $30 (rick)
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4.5 uk greatest hits promo - rare
(15 track fold out custom promo w/ biography of their career)
$36 (carolyn)
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closer to fine uk release promo - rare
(pulled from production - unreleased)
$30 (elisha)
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indigo girls guitar pick... minimum bid $15
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please email privately

im galileo
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date:         sun, 1 oct 1995 06:16:05 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              mjg333@aol.com
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         mjg333@aol.com
subject:      michelle malone fans read on...

hi everyone,
   if there are any michelle malone fans out there i found this 1990 cd by
michelle malone and drag the river titled 'relentless.' the label is arista,
i don't know if it's hard to find but if anyone wants a copy let me know and
i'll make you one. i also found a single cd of the song (from the relentless
cd) called 'big black bag' and the second part of the cd is a "casual
conversation with michelle malone and lenny kaye...' if anyone wants that
taped too.
just email me if interested.

mj
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date:         sun, 1 oct 1995 17:34:02 gmt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              hans <jahlers@euronet.nl>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         hans <jahlers@euronet.nl>
subject:      re: has anybody heard about cover tape?

you wrote:
>yes, the indigo-girls@netspace.org has a cover tape available for fans.
>it is made by fans for fans...tune into the list by sending e-mail to
>indigo-girls@netspace.org
>and in subject area put a period (since aol will not send without
>*something* in the subject area
>
>and in the body type:
>
>subscribe indigo-girls
>
>see you there....ask for
>
>jude
>jude


hey jude, put us on the list por favor.
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date:         sun, 1 oct 1995 09:34:46 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              sheri stanley <sstanley@infinet.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         sheri stanley <sstanley@infinet.com>
subject:      re: michelle malone fans read on...
x-to:         mjg333@aol.com
in-reply-to:  <951001061603_33610266@mail02.mail.aol.com>

lucky you. i'm a big mm fan and relentless is hard to fine.

-sheri
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date:         sun, 1 oct 1995 09:38:02 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              sheri stanley <sstanley@infinet.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         sheri stanley <sstanley@infinet.com>
subject:      re: womens music
x-to:         alycia n broz <anb038@nwu.edu>
in-reply-to:  <199510010253.aa072395991@casbah.acns.nwu.edu>

i agree with you; indeed, ferron should be in the folk section. i don't
like the term "womens' music." it is a segregating term. i mean, you
don't see "mens' music" for artists that aren't top ten well-known
performers. if it's any consolation, the borders book store here in cols.
has all the music mixed together according to genre...not the performer's
genital makeup :)

-sheri
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date:         sun, 1 oct 1995 09:43:11 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              sheri stanley <sstanley@infinet.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         sheri stanley <sstanley@infinet.com>
subject:      complicated girls
x-to:         "christopher m. becker" <cmbecker@space.mit.edu>
in-reply-to:  <199509302108.raa22788@netspace.org>

i got my copy a couple of days ago. i really like having the cd because i
collect ig stuff. however, the quality ain't so great :) i know..this
discussion has already been hashed out, but i just wanted to drop in my
two cents. i love bury my heart at wounded knee and it's great to have
the tracks i don't have anywhere else. some of the names of the songs
crack me up, though...especially when a song is on there twice with two
different names and neither one is correct! who writes these things?!

-sheri
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date:         sun, 1 oct 1995 09:50:23 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              sheri stanley <sstanley@infinet.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         sheri stanley <sstanley@infinet.com>
subject:      re: for guitarists only-shannon
x-to:         shannon cassaday <daisyday@eden.rutgers.edu>
x-cc:         indigo girls mailing list
              <indigo-girls%netspace.org@rutvm1.rutgers.edu>
in-reply-to:  <cmm-ru.1.5.812403069.daisyday@er7.rutgers.edu>

hi..

your note didn't come through. :(
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date:         sun, 1 oct 1995 10:05:33 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              julie and david van hemel <vanhemel@posh.internext.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         julie and david van hemel <vanhemel@posh.internext.com>
subject:      re: auctions - a solution?
x-to:         the searcher <kidfears@tezcat.com>

>at 03:40 pm 9/30/95 -0500, you wrote:
>>here is a possible solution to the auction debate:
>>
>>if you have some items that you want to get rid of, post to the list that if
>>anyone is interested they should email you privately for details.  at that
>>time you provide them with a list of what you have and whether or not the
>>items are for trade, sale, or auction.  then only post updates of the
>>trade/sale/auction to the people who have contacted you privately.  it is a
>>little more work for the person that is trying to get rid of the items, but
>>that seems fair since they are benefiting from using the list to find people
>>who are interested in their stuff.
>
>
>i agree 100% with you caroline!!!!
>the intial posting of the auction is fine (imho) for the list -- but
>subsequent updates should be mailed only to those who have showed interest.
>
>marianne


absolutely.  that way people who object don't have to watch how high the
prices go.  and even if you do happen to be on the list of people
interested in the auction, you don't have to keep getting two copies of it.
it's just common sense to take things that are only of interest to some,
off the list.  and yes, it should be put in a faq.  so i vote: no banning
of auctions - just take them offline.

julie
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date:         sun, 1 oct 1995 11:09:42 gmt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              wingstar@mulberry.com
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         pat stark <wingstar@mulberry.com>
subject:      womens music

i would have to say i agree on this one.  i know that where i am from
,brockville, ont, i almost always have to special order any new ig material.
it is like that with alot of the folk style around here.  even canadian
artists like tracey rielly are hard to get a hold of, so much for support
your country.
alot of the artists i have seen mentioned on the list i have never heard
about before.

well, that's my little spiel for the day.

pat
                        "adding up the total of a love that's true
multiply life by the pover of two."
                                         e.s.
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date:         sun, 1 oct 1995 11:53:43 -0400
reply-to:     jude shabry <hey_jude@brown.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         jude shabry <hey_jude@brown.edu>
subject:      re: has anybody heard about cover tape?
x-to:         hans <jahlers@euronet.nl>
in-reply-to:  your message of "sun, 01 oct 1995 17:34:02 gmt."
              <199510011129.maa07649@mail.euronet.nl>

eek!!  who said this?  all listserv requests should be sent to
listserv@netspace.org   not to the list!

if this sort of thing continues, i will be forced to restrict posting
to subscribers only.

    -jude

hans <jahlers@euronet.nl> writes:
> you wrote:
> >yes, the indigo-girls@netspace.org has a cover tape available for fans.
> >it is made by fans for fans...tune into the list by sending e-mail to
> >indigo-girls@netspace.org
> >and in subject area put a period (since aol will not send without
> >*something* in the subject area
> >
> >and in the body type:
> >
> >subscribe indigo-girls
> >
> >see you there....ask for
> >
> >jude
> >jude
>
>
> hey jude, put us on the list por favor.
>
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date:         sun, 1 oct 1995 12:17:49 edt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              bertin lefkovic <indigboy@eden.rutgers.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         bertin lefkovic <indigboy@eden.rutgers.edu>
subject:      re: disney special
x-to:         indigo girls mailing list
              <indigo-girls%netspace.org@rutvm1.rutgers.edu>,
              mr rodney s wicker <rucr57a@prodigy.com>
in-reply-to:  your message of fri, 29 sep 1995 17:06:08 edt

now that a date and time has been announced, i would like to invite anyone
who is interested in driving to cranford, nj to a watching party at my house
at 8:00 on october 15 to watch the premiere of indigo girls in concert on the
disney channel.  for anyone traveling over two hours, i will attempt to set
up sleeping arrangements, and if there is space, for those traveling less
than two hours.  i think this is a great opportunity for ig fans around the
ne to meet one another and view ig's first full-length concert shown on
television.  so rsvp asap so i can make arrangements.  i look forward to
meeting each and every one of you who choose to make the trip.  i encourage
others around the country and around the world to try to organize similar
meetings with people in your area.  talk to y'all soon.

peace pops

bert
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date:         fri, 29 sep 1995 17:26:49 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              deb <indigo@clark.net>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         deb <indigo@clark.net>
subject:      re: rolling stone venting...

"teresa c. esguerra" <sac83826@saclink1.csus.edu> wrote:

>the demand is there, but it's obvious that magazines like rolling
>stone are oblivious to this demand, while doing articles on sheryl crow and
>hootie and whomever.  and i really, truly believe that it's because ig has
>never been about personal controversy,

sheryl crow and hootie are controversial?

--
deb \ indigo@clark.net \ 09-29 17:26 est \ http://www.clark.net/pub/indigo
___________________________________________________________________________
          "not content to bow and bend/ to the whims of culture/
that swoop like vultures/ eating us away to our extinction" - emily saliers
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date:         fri, 29 sep 1995 17:54:45 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              deb <indigo@clark.net>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         deb <indigo@clark.net>
subject:      re: pushin' the needle on shades of indigo
x-to:         mts5@aber.ac.uk
in-reply-to:  <199509281943.paa03375@netspace.org>

you wrote:

>does anyone have a cd called "the bottom line" by the way?   the ig's aren't
>on it, but some great folk artists are:  shawn colvin, janis ian, richard
>thompson, dave alvin, lucinda williams and many more.   they talk a bit
>about the song, about how they wrote it (or, if it's a cover, what it means
>to them and/or how it influenced them) and then sing it solo.

that's a format that the bottom line has made famous; it's called "in their
own words." it's kind of a round-robin format, all artists (usually 4) on
stage taking turns talking about their music and then singing a song. the
birchmere, probably the second most famous folk club in the u.s. after the
bottom line (sorry, eddie's) often borrows the format.

another great new-folk cd is shelter, a double-cd of some of the best
singer-songwriters around.

--
deb \ indigo@clark.net \ 09-29 17:54 est \ http://www.clark.net/pub/indigo
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date:         sun, 1 oct 1995 12:27:39 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              deb <indigo@clark.net>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         deb <indigo@clark.net>
subject:      baez promo, complicated girls

michael reynolds <asl@gandalf.umcs.maine.edu> wrote:

>joan's version of "welcome me" is horrid, i mean it is great until she
>actually starts singing part of the guitar solo...i *really* like joan but
>i think she could have pulled a much better version off, i have been at
>shows where she has sung it much much better...

guardian has released a nice promo cd of joan's "don't think twice, it's
alright" (w/ig) and "don't make promises," two catie curtis songs and two
rankin family songs. i found it at cd cellar in falls church, va., for $3.
are ig on any of the other tracks on that cd? if not, i think i can do
without the "welcome me" cover.

cd cellar also has complicated girls in stock for $23, so check it out you
dc-area folks.

--
deb \ indigo@clark.net \ 10-01 12:27 est \ http://www.clark.net/pub/indigo
__________________________________________________________________________
         "you know every time i move/ i make a woman's movement"
                   - ani difranco, "hour follows hour"
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date:         sun, 1 oct 1995 11:36:32 -0700
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              was gonzo really in love with chickens?d <cera@helen.bush.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         was gonzo really in love with chickens?d <cera@helen.bush.edu>
subject:      re: seattle music stores
x-to:         deb <indigo@clark.net>
in-reply-to:  <7fsbwo70srgp085yn@clark.net>

i was wondering if all you musical geniuses could help me.....i live in
seattle, supposed to be one of the greatest music places around.....was
wondering where the best place to check out ig and related music would
be....like who is gonna have 1200 curfews when it comes out, and the
watershed video and such....anyone who's got help please e-mail me
privately....
*hugs* and *grin*
-cera
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date:         sun, 1 oct 1995 15:11:55 edt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              debbie alexander <st000051@brownvm.brown.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         debbie alexander <st000051@brownvm.brown.edu>
subject:      introductions

hey everyone!

i'm incredibly new to the list so i though i'd introduce myself:  i'm a senior
at brown university, a biology major, a pre-med, a clarinetist in the brown
band, and a hopelessly devoted indigo girls fan.

i'm new to the list, as i said, but not at all new to the band:  they've been
number one in my tape/cd player since 10th grade, when i first heard of them
from my aunt and cousins who live in atlanta and saw emily & amy play around
there a few times.  well, i've always picked up their new stuff as it came
out, and i have yet to grow tired of any of it (though certain things have
been obnoxiously overplayed...)

i've never been one to put myself on mailing lists, but i've been on the
toad the wet srocket list for most of the past year and i've found it's not
that bad, so i decided to join up here - i got sick of never knowing where
and when the ig's were playing or having new material out...  i was fortunate
enough to see them 3 times on this tour (the brown u. show was the best
musical experience i've ever had!) and if they're still going i'd love to
go again!  i'm also interested in rarities or pre-_strange_fire_ independent
stuff... i know such things exist but i have yet to figure out how to get
them!

nice to "meet" y'all, and if anyone has info about shows or old material,
please please please let me know!

thanks, y'all!

debbie
toadstool@brown.edu
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date:         sun, 1 oct 1995 16:23:57 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              torio1@aol.com
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         torio1@aol.com
subject:      re: 3rd auction update

in a message dated 95-09-30 02:27:46 edt, imgallilo wrote:

>* a new item...
>'tame yourself' cassette (put out by peta),  out of print. rare
>indigo girls & michael stipe (r.e.m.)  sing "i'll give you my skin" plus 13
>other songs by various singers

i'm confused by your definition of rare here.  at the best buys near my home
i have seen at least 10 cut outs of this cd for under $10.

tori
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date:         sun, 1 oct 1995 16:48:16 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              guinione@aol.com
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         guinione@aol.com
subject:      walk away ...

regarding my comment on how amy said she'd like to do the song over ... i
didn't mean she disliked the song or anything like that ...

sorry if it sounded that way ...
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date:         sun, 1 oct 1995 17:22:43 edt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              bertin lefkovic <indigboy@eden.rutgers.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         bertin lefkovic <indigboy@eden.rutgers.edu>
subject:      ny yankees win the wild card (nigc)

hi everybody.  it is 5:20 est and the yankees won the american league
wild-card about a half hour ago.  i am posting to see if there are any ig
fans who are also yankees fans who live in the ny-metro area who are
interested in seeing the two wild-card games at yankee stadium this tuesday
and wednesday 10/3 & 10/4.  i want to see these games, but i don't want to go
alone.  i always like to have someone next to me to enjoy the game with.
thus, if you get this post sometime today (sunday) or tomorrow (monday) and
are interested, you can e-mail me or call me (908)272-6617 and we'll work
something out.  talk to ya soon.

peace pops

bert
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date:         sun, 1 oct 1995 17:41:35 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              strngfire@aol.com
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         strngfire@aol.com
subject:      re: womens music

>     i would like to take this opportunity to vent, and to get some
reactions.
>        this week i went to border's books and music on michigan ave. in
downtown chicago.
>while there, i went digging through their cd collection.  i was looking for
ani defranco, among
>others.  i looked but could not find her in the "pop/rock" section, nor
could i find her in the "folk"
>section.  however, i kept looking.  my search took me to the back corner of
the store, farthest
>away from the escalators, far away from anything, actually.
>        in this corner, i found a small section with an even smaller label,
entitling the little corner
>"womens music."  here i found ferron, new mongrels, the ig jesus christ
superstar cd, ban de
>soleil, disappear fear, and ani defranco.
>        my question is, why the segregation?  why put them in a small corner
far away
>from the other cds.  can't men hear the music when these cds are played?
shouldn't ferron be
>in the "folk" section?
>        i was, and still am mad.  border's decision also has social and
economic reprecussions.
>why ostracize these artists in this manner.  the economics is basic, if no
one can find the cds,
>no one can purchase them.  what's going on here?  does anyone have an
explanation?  am i
>missing something?  am i rightfully angry?

you have every right to feel angry. it pisses me off too. you know what i do?
i treck my ass over to hear music in woodfield where you can get anything you
want. categorization isn't taken to the extreme there. everyone should go to
hear music, it's amazing.
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date:         sun, 1 oct 1995 16:56:33 edt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              bertin lefkovic <indigboy@eden.rutgers.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         bertin lefkovic <indigboy@eden.rutgers.edu>
subject:      re: baez promo, complicated girls
x-to:         indigo girls mailing list
              <indigo-girls%netspace.org@rutvm1.rutgers.edu>,
              deb <indigo@clark.net>
in-reply-to:  your message of sun, 1 oct 1995 12:27:39 -0400

were there other copies of this cd, or did it seem pretty obscure.  if you
can get your hands (or if anyone else sees this anywhere) i would love a copy
of this promo cd.  i will send money for the cost of the cd + shipping upon
receiving an e-mail saying that you (or anyone else) has an extra copy of the
cd.  i will reply with my address.  thanks.

peace pops

bert
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date:         sun, 1 oct 1995 15:22:08 -0700
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              pamela shaw <sparkle@primenet.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         pamela shaw <sparkle@primenet.com>
subject:      post replies (nigc)

please everyone... when responding to a post, please do not quote back the
originator's entire post.  please quote back only the relevant lines.

thank you...

peace...
pamela
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date:         sun, 1 oct 1995 18:50:33 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              marshall@emuvax.emich.edu
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         kait marshall <marshall@emuvax.emich.edu>
subject:      re: (romans 1:24-32,
              homosexuality in the bible.  was: hello again!)
x-to:         maclayto@mhc.mtholyoke.edu

regarding homosexuality and the bible there are two very excellent books
writen by episcopalians on the topic. the first was living in sin? by
bishop sprong, and the other is, our passion for justice, by carter hayworth

i misspelled the last name, she was on of the first womyn to be ordained, and
she is openly a lesbian

                pax,
                kait
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date:         sun, 1 oct 1995 18:51:43 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              deb <indigo@clark.net>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         deb <indigo@clark.net>
subject:      re: baez promo, complicated girls
in-reply-to:  <cmm-ru.1.5.812580993.indigboy@er7.rutgers.edu>

on sun, 1 oct 1995, bertin lefkovic wrote:

> were there other copies of this cd, or did it seem pretty obscure.

if there were other copies of the baez promo i would've picked them up and
auctioned them. :) seriously, i always keep my eyes open for stuff.  if i
see it, i'll grab it and sell it for cost and shipping.

deb \ indigo@clark.net
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date:         sun, 1 oct 1995 16:00:38 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              deb <indigo@clark.net>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         deb <indigo@clark.net>
subject:      re: all these auctions

matthew joseph smith <mts5@aber.ac.uk> wrote:

>sure bill - but why "womyn"?   neither amy nor emily have ever struck me as
>mad feminist diesel-dykes before.   d'you think they'd be calling themselves
>"girls" if they were?

*sigh*  mat, if enlightenment were a commodity i'd buy you some.

--
deb \ indigo@clark.net \ 10-01 16:00 est \ http://www.clark.net/pub/indigo
__________________________________________________________________________
            "i find people in general sexually attractive...
             but then i find trees sexually attractive too."
                            - sarah mclachlan
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date:         sun, 1 oct 1995 18:58:11 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              marshall@emuvax.emich.edu
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         kait marshall <marshall@emuvax.emich.edu>
subject:      re: womens music
x-to:         anb038@nwu.edu

actually many people refer to womyn's oriented music, as women's music.
it dates back to the 70's and the early days of olivia records, the term came
from the creators of the music (ah those separatist years), and the
early artist were meg christianson, holly near, chris williamson, and alix
dobikin, now it also also includes the riot grrl music, such as tribe *
sorry tribe 8, and bikini kill.  basically if you could hear it at some
place like the michigan womyn's music festival, it is womyn's music.

hope i clarified things.

        pax,
        kait
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date:         sun, 1 oct 1995 16:01:52 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              deb <indigo@clark.net>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         deb <indigo@clark.net>
subject:      re: all these auctions

william norris <wnorris@soulcage.inmind.com> wrote:

>i have mixed feelings about all these auctions that have been coming over
>the line in the last few months.  primarily, they make me sad and
>nostalgic for the old days of the list when it was taboo to make a profit
>off of fellow list-members and the ig's work.  tapes were freely traded,
>and if someone had a copy of a rare promo or indie release that they
>didn't want anymore, they sold it for cost plus postage.

i agree with you, bill. it concerns me. and it's not just the old days of
this list that worked that way; other lists i'm on buy cool stuff they
already have just to sell it for cost for another fan. but ever since
hidden water and rainy day records began to make money from the atlanta
music community, i've seen an increasing commoditization of this list. for
a long time, it was like one huge ad: someone asks about something, and
within minutes they were directed to one of those two resources (or both).

i'm the first to tell you what a *great* site hidden water is, how
*generous* julie is with her knowledge and her collection, what a *great*
music store rainy day is, and what *great* folks perry and marsha are.
hidden water and rainy day have been invaluable in getting many atlanta
artists the attention they deserve. but there were times when i really had
a hard time swallowing the degree of outright ads that showed up here.

following in this tradition is the recent slew of auctions. i participated
in lori's auction and she was very fair; it can be done well. but often it
just doesn't feel quite right. it might be better if rather than auctioning
they set a price they considered to be fair value, and set an arbitrary
means of accepting offers, rather than seeking to turn maximum profit
(often on those too naive to know what the item is really worth). the
chosen means may not be completely fair to everyone, but imo it beats a
method where those with the most money win. actually, it's more like those
who can be online at the right time, with enough money, win; why would you
bid up your desired item before the last minute? in the end its a blind
auction in the closing hours.

perry could have held many auctions, but instead he prices his product at
reasonable value, and i appreciate that. last year he sold the first single
for *charity* for $35. he could have sold it here for profit for $100+.

these changes are probably because this isn't the tight-knit bunch that was
here when stephen spencer ran this list (the first time); that was a true
community. now we're just a lot of strangers with common interests, and one
of those interests is in acquiring ig rarities. i just wish we went back to
wanting to share them, instead of selling them for the greatest profit.

--
deb \ indigo@clark.net \ 10-01 16:01 est \ http://www.clark.net/pub/indigo
__________________________________________________________________________
  "i have nothing to offer but confusion... and the circus in my head"
          - kristen hersh (throwing muses), "bright yellow gun"
=========================================================================
date:         sun, 1 oct 1995 19:07:13 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              "mr. might-have-been" <pnorman@eclair.roanoke.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "mr. might-have-been" <pnorman@eclair.roanoke.edu>
subject:      re: (romans 1:24-32,
              homosexuality in the bible. was: hello again!)
x-to:         kait marshall <marshall@emuvax.emich.edu>
in-reply-to:  <951001185033.26002039@emuvax.emich.edu>

on this semi-nigc topic i highly recommend anything that bishop spong
(what a name!) has written.  for someone high up in the church he really
takes a refreshing and intersting look at some of the things christians
tend to overlook...  anyway... take care y'all... phil

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pnorman@eclair.roanoke.edu                   "i'm not a coward,
                                              i'm a proud man of sorts.."
http://www.roanoke.edu/~pnorman                         - big fish ensemble
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date:         sun, 1 oct 1995 20:41:59 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              dresden5@aol.com
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         dresden5@aol.com
subject:      re: baez promo, complicated girls

what is the address for cd cellar...better yet...could you give me directions
from reston. is it on church st...i have this feeling it is....thanks

'kate
=========================================================================
date:         sun, 1 oct 1995 19:54:34 -0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              casey connor <chc1@cec.wustl.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         casey connor <chc1@cec.wustl.edu>
subject:      re: bury my heart update & partial chords
in-reply-to:  <199509302046.paa01231@ren.glaci.com>

> >down at the wow saturday night.''
>
> i think that one is "y on saturday night".  i was guessing it meant ymca (or
> ywca).  can anyone confirm?

yeah that's what i thought too, but i figured the person read them off of
something, so i trusted them. please anyone with more info? :-)

/~~ /~\ /~\ |~ \ /
|   |_| \-\ |-  |
\__ | | \_/ |_  |
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date:         sun, 1 oct 1995 20:18:36 -0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              carolyn <underdog@onramp.net>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         carolyn <underdog@onramp.net>
subject:      auctions and guitar picks

all of the aspects that make up the list, be they auctions, religious
discussions, t-shirts, ice cream flavors, guitar chords, the services that
hidden water and rainy day provide, or whatever, represent different things
to every subscriber.  i think it is dangerous to start singleing out
specific threads or individuals, saying that they represent a turning point
for the worse.  everyone who is a part of the list has an equal right to be
here, and in some way contributes to it's evolution.  if we focus on where
we are going, and not on where we have been, then perhaps we will once again
become the close-knit group that many have said they miss.  we are a very
diverse community that is drawn together by the music of two women.  that
music speaks of respect and consideration of others.  if we feel that things
need to be changed, positive solutions offered with the group in mind seem
much more constructive than focusing on our personal judgements about what
other members of the community are doing or saying, or what their
motivations are.  each individual must decide for themself the worth of an
object, and regardless of how that compares to the value that another places
on it, try to respect the other for unique perspective that they offer.

carolyn
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date:         sun, 1 oct 1995 22:00:27 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              margaret clayton <maclayto@mhc.mtholyoke.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         margaret clayton <maclayto@mhc.mtholyoke.edu>
subject:      re: womens music
x-to:         alycia n broz <anb038@nwu.edu>
in-reply-to:  <199510010253.aa072395991@casbah.acns.nwu.edu>

i've noticed a similar situation...  tower (i think) has a gay/lesbian
music section, where the ig stuff is now located (at least it is at the
lenox square branch in atlanta).  really pissed me off.  like all gay men
or lesbians like music by gay/lesbian musicians!  it's not like gay/les
musicians share anything in common except who they sleep with (ha ha..  i
guess not even that!).

margaret
=========================================================================
date:         sun, 1 oct 1995 19:16:39 -0700
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              laura dugas <gecko1@asu.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         laura dugas <gecko1@asu.edu>
subject:      re: womens music
x-to:         margaret clayton <maclayto@mhc.mtholyoke.edu>
in-reply-to:  <pine.ult.3.91.951001215823.24221a-100000@mhc.mtholyoke.edu>

on sun, 1 oct 1995, margaret clayton wrote:

another really bad repercussion of segregation based on sexual preference
is that then you would have to include a bi-sexual section and that would
include nearly *all* of our beloved classical groups i.e. stones, david
bowie, etc. and then those who would *never* purchase a cd in the
gay/lesbian section for fear of promoting such an incredible
*abomination* to dear sweet god, their lord and savior, would realize
that a lot of what they currently own belongs in that section....hmmm.
=========================================================================
date:         sun, 1 oct 1995 18:09:30 -0700
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              julie meloni <dmon@hidwater.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         julie meloni <dmon@hidwater.com>
subject:      nigc: re: auctions and guitar picks

i wouldn't have known a thing about this thread if a friend of mine hadn't
called it to my attention, as i have not been a subscriber to this list
since may of this year, probably for the exact reasons people are still
rumbling about the "way it used to be."  well, she's right -- there's a
reason they call it the past and there's a reason they tell you to get over
it...you can't ever go home again, you dig your grave you lie in it, don't
look back, cliche cliche cliche -- everyday you gotta look at where you are
and where you're going and learn from and forget where you were in the past.
but that's way too philosphical -- sorry.

she mentioned that there had been a discussion about auctions, and without
knowing everything that was said, here's my position on them:

i ran an auction in may that netted me a good deal of money -- enough to let
me pay my rent & my car payment & my car insurance for a month.  i did that
because 1) i didn't have any money, 2) i didn't want my 4 years' worth of
collected ig stuff anymore, and 3) other people did.  yes, just about
everything i sold could be found in goldmine, but 1) not everyone reads
goldmine, and 2) the first person who calls a store, gets it.  in a
capitalist society, you make money when you can -- i needed to, and i did.
if i tallied it all up, what i'd spent over the years versus what i got in
one lump sum, however, it'd be just about equal.

either way, if you think that money shouldn't rule the world, i agree with
you in principle, but not in practicality.

now, about my company, hidden water, which i don't know how it entered into
the fray, but the company has no money, it rarely asks its clients for
money, and the owner and employees work for free.  so, i don't really know
what the issue is, but that's who we are -- we spend our own money and time
to give our clients the opportunity to do something that they want to, and
cannot.  we're giving a client money out of our own pocket so that they can
make a cd, and it'll be paid back whenever it can, if it ever can.  i don't
usually have 10 grand to kick around, and i don't now, but it's hers and
she'll produce a killer cd, so that wins out over my own desires.  and yes,
when the cd comes out in january, i'll send an announcement to this list,
becase i know there are people here that like this artist.  that's what the
'net is for -- dissemination of information, which is the mission of my
company.  the company has existed for a year providing resources and
promotional materials (both print and online) at low-to-none costs, and it
will continue to exist as long as we want it to, as long as it proves to be
useful to people, and as long as people actually use it.

if the complaint was that we post updates of possible interest to people who
read this list, well, sorry, but we post updates of anything of interest to
any list that's out there, usenet or mailing list.

if that is offensive to you, we apologize.  however, our company exists for
our clients, for people like caroline aiken who has gotten a large group of
fans all over the world, via the services we offered to her.  band de
soleil, mary fortune express, gerard mchugh, shawn mullins, etc etc -- if
you want to know what they're up to, you have an outlet to know.

if that kind of sharing and providing of information is believed to be part
of some corporate takeover of some kind, well, nope, it isn't.  can't say
that i wouldn't ever take something over if i had the chance, but i don't,
so its a moot point. :)

as for rainy day records, yeah, they're a corporate entity.  they are
commercial.  they have been selling cds on the net for 4 years, and they
have been providing a lot of home-grown artists with an outlet to reach fans
worldwide, by selling things on the net.  i don't think matthew kahler would
have sold cds in japan if it hadn't been for the net and rdr doing a portion
-- a small portion -- of their business in this manner.  if that's bad,
well, matthew has to eat, and he sells cds so he can, so i don't really see
the problem.

am i jumping to conclusions?  sure i am.  do i know what i'm talking about?
only when it relates to my company, and the things we do.  do i worry that
my company is misrepresented in any way? sure i am.  are we bad people?
only once a month.  is the lifeblood archive of indigo girls information
free to the user, free to carolyn, and free to any living being on the
planet who can operate a keyboard?  damn right it is.  why?  because we're
not a corporate entity hell bent on takign advantage of anyone.

unlike some corporations, our mission statement is true, and we're sticking
to it.

have a nice day, y'all.

julie meloni

dmon@hidwater.com
hidden water ... http://www.hidwater.com/
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date:         sun, 1 oct 1995 22:56:32 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              pst4@aol.com
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         sue orsillo <pst4@aol.com>
subject:      re: jcs video

i thought i read a while back that there was going to be a video of igs jcs
performance in seattle.  i don't remember if it was to be a commercial copy
or a bootleg?  am i fabricating this memory??

sue (the bostonain turned okie)
=========================================================================
date:         sun, 1 oct 1995 23:42:13 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              jo norvelle walker <jo@pluto.njcc.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         jo norvelle walker <jo@pluto.njcc.com>
subject:      re: womens music
x-to:         margaret clayton <maclayto@mhc.mtholyoke.edu>

at 10:00 pm 10/01/95 -0400, you wrote:
>i've noticed a similar situation...  tower (i think) has a gay/lesbian
>music section, where the ig stuff is now located (at least it is at the
>lenox square branch in atlanta).  really pissed me off.  like all gay men
>or lesbians like music by gay/lesbian musicians!  it's not like gay/les
>musicians share anything in common except who they sleep with (ha ha..  i
>guess not even that!).
>


margaret,

i was in tower in philadelphia four days ago, and tower in new york a couple
of weeks ago.  in both cases, ig and janis ian were in the main pop section.
personally, i wish they would relegate them to the folk section where they'd
be easier to find.  i only know of one record store where ig are not in the
pop section.  and that store sticks folk into the furthest corner!


jo
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date:         mon, 2 oct 1995 00:31:35 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              "gabrielle v. michalek" <gm1l+@andrew.cmu.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "gabrielle v. michalek" <gm1l+@andrew.cmu.edu>
subject:      re: nigc: re: auctions and guitar picks
x-to:         julie meloni <dmon@hidwater.com>
in-reply-to:  <199510020109.saa28100@powerof>

julie:

go girl!

i was going to tell you about this, but it was pissing me off so much i
just didn't want to deal.  it was just one more thing that makes me want
to get off, which i will in about two weeks.

here is a line from the godfather.  "after all, we are not a bunch of
communists."  :)

gabrielle
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date:         mon, 2 oct 1995 00:57:22 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              jo norvelle walker <jo@pluto.njcc.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         jo norvelle walker <jo@pluto.njcc.com>
subject:      re: womens music
x-to:         margaret clayton <maclayto@mhc.mtholyoke.edu>

>it's not like gay/les
>musicians share anything in common except who they sleep with (ha ha..  i
>guess not even that!).


think e's gf would share, margaret?  maybe we could have an auction?

jo
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date:         mon, 2 oct 1995 08:27:22 +0100
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              mr neil hunt <ph21nh@ph.surrey.ac.uk>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         mr neil hunt <ph21nh@ph.surrey.ac.uk>
subject:      segregation and list things...

heys :)

question. what's the difference between there being a gay/lesbian music section
and there being a christian/gospel section ??

seems to me that there is none. like, there are christian artists out there who
are absolutely ace, but the way life is, then noone hears of them apart from
people with a common background. ohhh...say, like eden burning...
and the same for gay/lesbians...i mean, you get bands in deneuvre and advocate
that you wouldn't find in rolling stone...like, say dissapear fear.

it happens all the time, well, in the states...land of pigeon holes...but don't
get so worked up about it...please...


auctions and things and nigc and crap like that...why didn't you subscribe to
the ig's newslist?? didn't that close cos noone was interested?? i guess if you
complain, you only have yourself to blame...

*is feeling unsymathetic, tired, and a little chocolate-cravinglike...*

can't wait for next week, when we'll have some proper igc to last us a day or
two...

@}--,--'---


  neily :)            indigogirlsjellyfishdeaconblueedenburningtracychapmanaimee
   41 mountside        mannbeatlesbuddyhollydannywilsonbillyjoelshawncolvinmaria
    guildford           mckeefairgroundattractioneverlybrothersdelamitribandomd
     @}--,--'---         royorbisonjuliemillerjamroxettecarolekingandmanymore...
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date:         mon, 2 oct 1995 03:45:38 -0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              casey connor <chc1@cec.wustl.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         casey connor <chc1@cec.wustl.edu>
subject:      re: jcs video
in-reply-to:  <951001225631_70041856@mail04.mail.aol.com>

> i thought i read a while back that there was going to be a video of igs jcs
> performance in seattle.  i don't remember if it was to be a commercial copy
> or a bootleg?  am i fabricating this memory??

i remember such a discussion... i think there were bootlegs around, but
someone said something about a professional one coming out, if i remember
correctly... hmmm.... hmmm... hmmm...


"lad's gal is all he has. gal's gladness hangs upon the love of lad."

/~~ /~\ /~\ |~ \ /
|   |_| \-\ |-  |
\__ | | \_/ |_  |
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date:         mon, 2 oct 1995 09:52:38 +0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              sharon jennings <rcxsj@unix.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         sharon jennings <rcxsj@unix.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk>
subject:      re: gail
x-to:         margaret clayton <maclayto@mhc.mtholyoke.edu>

>is she gail ann dorsey or is she gail andorsey?
>
>margaret

it is gail ann dorsey

sharon. a. jennings
cancer research campaign laboratories
univesity of nottingham
university park
nottingham
ng7  2rd                   (0115) 9513408
england                (0115) 9513414  (fax)
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date:         mon, 2 oct 1995 07:18:44 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              margaret clayton <maclayto@mhc.mtholyoke.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         margaret clayton <maclayto@mhc.mtholyoke.edu>
subject:      re: womens music
x-to:         jo norvelle walker <jo@pluto.njcc.com>
in-reply-to:  <199510020457.aaa24239@pluto.njcc.com>

on mon, 2 oct 1995, jo norvelle walker wrote:

> >it's not like gay/les
> >musicians share anything in common except who they sleep with (ha ha..  i
> >guess not even that!).
>
>
> think e's gf would share, margaret?  maybe we could have an auction?
>
> jo

i bid $500.
margaret
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date:         mon, 2 oct 1995 07:22:01 edt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              ms janet m vansyckel <mglz19b@prodigy.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         ms janet m vansyckel <mglz19b@prodigy.com>
subject:      re: womens music

> from: sheri stanley

> i mean, you don't see "mens' music" for artists that aren't top ten
well-known performers.

actually that's not true. i have seen a "men's music" section. i
believe it was in tower records, cambridge ma. where they had the
flirtations and other gay mens groups.

- jan
=========================================================================
date:         mon, 2 oct 1995 07:44:06 est
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              rob_sticka@ccmail.gsfc.nasa.gov
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         rob sticka <rob_sticka@ccmail.gsfc.nasa.gov>
subject:      jsc guitar riffs

someone requested the opening guitar riffs for "heaven on their minds" from the
"jsc - a resurrection" cd.  enjoy!

----------------------------
----------------------------
------5-5--6--x-3--3-5-5----
----------------------------
-3-3------------------------
----------------------------
              x - muted string fingered at 3rd fret, go ahead and play unmuted
if you want - it's not that important to play muted.


this riff continues and is joined by this

---------------------------------
---sl---11------------b--po------
--9/10------9/10--9/10-12--8-----
-----------------------------10--
---------------------------------
---------------------------------

the "9/10" means to slide from 9th fret to 10th - it's very subtle so you have
to do it quickly.  the 9/10 12 8 - this is where you do a bend up and a pull
off.  so you do the 9/10 slide, then bend the note up (maybe a whole note or so)
then release and pull off to the 8th fret.  fingering is key here so i recommend
you use the ring finger for the 10 fret and have your index finger on the 8th
fret when you do the pull off from the 10th fret to the 8th.


this riff is played simultaneously one octave higher.  i don't believe an octave
doubler was used because it doesn't seem that the timing matches perfectly.
here's the same riff one octave higher

-------18-------------b--po-----
-17/18-----17/18-17/18-20-16----
-----------------------------17-
--------------------------------
--------------------------------
--------------------------------

this should sound ok on an acoustic guitar but the bend and pull off will be
more difficult to perform due to the string tension on an acoustic.

can someone write out the chords?

rob
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date:         mon, 2 oct 1995 09:07:45 edt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              bertin lefkovic <indigboy@eden.rutgers.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         bertin lefkovic <indigboy@eden.rutgers.edu>
subject:      re: nigc: re: auctions and guitar picks
x-to:         indigo girls mailing list
              <indigo-girls%netspace.org@rutvm1.rutgers.edu>,
              "gabrielle v. michalek" <gm1l+@andrew.cmu.edu>
in-reply-to:  your message of mon, 2 oct 1995 00:31:35 -0400

what's wrong with communism???

peace pops

bert
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date:         mon, 2 oct 1995 09:18:17 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              jo norvelle walker <jo@pluto.njcc.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         jo norvelle walker <jo@pluto.njcc.com>
subject:      re: womens music
x-to:         ms janet m vansyckel <mglz19b@prodigy.com>

>> from: sheri stanley
>
>> i mean, you don't see "mens' music" for artists that aren't top ten
>well-known performers.
>
>actually that's not true. i have seen a "men's music" section. i
>believe it was in tower records, cambridge ma. where they had the
>flirtations and other gay mens groups.


well, jan, their gonna have to get over it, the flirtations are integrated now.

jo
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date:         mon, 2 oct 1995 14:18:45 +0100
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              mr neil hunt <ph21nh@ph.surrey.ac.uk>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         mr neil hunt <ph21nh@ph.surrey.ac.uk>
subject:      money making off of the igs...

hey :)

*the point is about a half a page away, so look down there...*

just had a thought about all the auction money making things that have been
said, and i was wondering what's wrong with someone obtaining the best
price they can for something...

like, i wouldn't sell my car for $100 when i could get $400 would i??

it's not like you're ripping off the ig's 'cause they've made their money
already...and if someone's willing to pay for it...

not that i want my mailbox filled with auctions, but what's wrong with the
principle when...

think how much, say sony makes from the indigo girls...

the ig's pay for (out of their record royalties) most costs relating to the
recording, promotion and related nesseceties...
then the recording which they have paid for belong to the record company, who
own them for 50 years until they become public domain...


wheras the ig's are (assuming of course they signed a pretty standard
contract...) earning a reduced casette royalty rate compared with cd's (and
indeed, cd's especially in non us countries are selling at a premium price,
based on the days when they truly _did_ cost more to manufacture...)

so i guess everone's at it...

@}--,--'---

  neily :)            indigogirlsjellyfishdeaconblueedenburningtracychapmanaimee
   41 mountside        mannbeatlesbuddyhollydannywilsonbillyjoelshawncolvinmaria
    guildford           mckeefairgroundattractioneverlybrothersdelamitribandomd
     @}--,--'---         royorbisonjuliemillerjamroxettecarolekingandmanymore...
=========================================================================
date:         mon, 2 oct 1995 09:23:26 -24000
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              "judith k. hunter" <jhunter@rtc.gov>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "judith k. hunter" <jhunter@rtc.gov>
subject:      re: monique's introduction

where did you get the jcs cd?  i've been trying to find it!

jude
=========================================================================
date:         mon, 2 oct 1995 09:34:13 -24000
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              "judith k. hunter" <jhunter@rtc.gov>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "judith k. hunter" <jhunter@rtc.gov>
subject:      cover tape subscribers

if anyone requested copies of the cover tape from me over the weekend and got
a return notice saying their post did not go through, please e-mail me again
at jhunter@rtc.gov....my mailbox was overflowing due to all the bandwidth
over the weekend...

thanks, jude :)
=========================================================================
date:         fri, 29 sep 1995 17:42:32 edt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              lorinda wright <lw01@lehigh.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         lorinda wright <lw01@lehigh.edu>
subject:      re: walk away ...
x-to:         guinione@aol.com

>i must jump in and say that walk away is my favorite ig song ... but why is
>it that they almost never play it live ???
>
>i think i have either one or two early boots with it ... then nothing ...
>
>it was even cut from live at the uptown lounge ...   :(
>
>of course, it is one of those songs amy wishes she could go back and do over


maybe because it has too many "baby's" in it. :) *giggle*

folkisgruven,
lorindigo


lorinda wright           "learn to pretend there's more than love that
lw01@lehigh.edu           matters. -e.s.
lehigh university
bethlehem, pa
                         "a ghost of comfort, angel's breath to keep this
                          life inside my chest." -a.r.
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date:         sat, 30 sep 1995 23:29:52 edt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              justin peter finnegan <jpf5@lehigh.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         justin peter finnegan <jpf5@lehigh.edu>
subject:      re: womens music
x-to:         alycia n broz <anb038@nwu.edu>

    howdy,
        i don't know that im angry 'bout the way that they did that, but i do
        agree with you. im a guy, and if band de soleil, disappear fear, ig's
        etc are "women's music" i guess i'm not listening to the right things,
        hmm corporate america thinks so i guess. anyway i don;t know that i'd
        do anything about it, but it does  go to show how silly some people
        are, shrug. laters.


%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&
%&  justin p. finnegan   @  "i'm the player     %&
%&  jpf5@lehigh.edu      @   to be named later" %&
%&  bethlehem pa.        @     -crash davis     %&
%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&
%&    http://www.lehigh.edu/~jpf5/jpf5.html     %&
%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&
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date:         mon, 2 oct 1995 09:49:17 est
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              rob_sticka@ccmail.gsfc.nasa.gov
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         rob sticka <rob_sticka@ccmail.gsfc.nasa.gov>
subject:      re[2]: monique's introduction
x-to:         "judith k. hunter" <jhunter@rtc.gov>

>where did you get the jcs cd?  i've been trying to find it!

>jude


i've seen the jcs cd at a kemp mills (chain on the east coast) and i bought mine
at a best buys.  look at the "soundtracks" section.  the one you're looking for
is called "jesus christ superstar - a resurrection".  it's a 2 cd package that
is priced about $13.99 (i think that's what i paid for it).  look on the back of
it and you'll see a cast of characters with a & e included. there is a lot of
amy/emily singing - a little guitar from emily but i don't think amy plays
anything.

i'm not normally into soundtracks or musicals but this is a great piece of work.
exceptionally well done and is a must have.

rob
=========================================================================
date:         mon, 2 oct 1995 09:59:00 edt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              sheri stanley <sstanley@infinet.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         sheri stanley <sstanley@infinet.com>
subject:      re: pushin' the needle on shades of indigo
x-to:         deb <indigo@clark.net>

ditto. pick up shelter...it benefits the homeless.
-sheri

hi jammie :)

>another great new-folk cd is shelter, a double-cd of some of the best
>singer-songwriters around.
>
>--
>deb \ indigo@clark.net \ 09-29 17:54 est \ http://www.clark.net/pub/indigo
>
>
to take the world into one's arms and to act toward it
in a soul-filled and soul-strengthening manner is a
powerful act of wildish spirit.
       -clarissa pinkola estes/women who run with the wolves
=========================================================================
date:         mon, 2 oct 1995 09:59:00 edt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              sheri stanley <sstanley@infinet.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         sheri stanley <sstanley@infinet.com>
subject:      re: segregation and list things...
x-to:         mr neil hunt <ph21nh@ph.surrey.ac.uk>

>heys :)
>
>question. what's the difference between there being a gay/lesbian music section
>and there being a christian/gospel section ??
>
for me, the difference is that a gospel section, just like a jazz section or
a classical section, denotes a type of music, whereas separating artists
based on their sexual orientation denotes just that...their sexual
orientation. if a person sees a gospel section in a record store, it's a
reasonable assumption that the music will be about god/religion and a person
can make a musical choice based on that information. if  women are grouped
by their sexual orientation, (which, unfortunately, turns off some people to
some incredible music for no reason at all), people may make the <imho>
unreasonable assumption that the music is about being a lesbian. (i speak
about lesbian music because i know something about it. the same principles i
speak of also apply, of course, to any music having to do with male
homosexuality). however, most women (who are grouped under "womens' music")
don't even sing lesbian-specific lyrics (i know there are exceptions..i.e.
meg christian and others). in a perfect world, what difference would it make
if the person is gay, straight or bisexual? what does that have to do with
anything? i know we don't live in a perfect world, but becaues music is such
a universal language and transcends race, religion, etc., let's not separate
performers on the basis of sexual orientation.

end of sermon :)

-sheri


to take the world into one's arms and to act toward it
in a soul-filled and soul-strengthening manner is a
powerful act of wildish spirit.
       -clarissa pinkola estes/women who run with the wolves
=========================================================================
date:         mon, 2 oct 1995 09:59:00 edt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              sheri stanley <sstanley@infinet.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         sheri stanley <sstanley@infinet.com>
subject:      re: womens music
x-to:         ms janet m vansyckel <mglz19b@prodigy.com>

>> from: sheri stanley
>
>> i mean, you don't see "mens' music" for artists that aren't top ten
>well-known performers.
>
>actually that's not true. i have seen a "men's music" section. i
>believe it was in tower records, cambridge ma. where they had the
>flirtations and other gay mens groups.
>
>- jan

ok..thanks for the correction. the point is...separation is separation and
it's wrong.
-sheri
to take the world into one's arms and to act toward it
in a soul-filled and soul-strengthening manner is a
powerful act of wildish spirit.
       -clarissa pinkola estes/women who run with the wolves
=========================================================================
date:         mon, 2 oct 1995 10:37:11 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              deb <indigo@clark.net>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         deb <indigo@clark.net>
subject:      re: money making off of the igs...
in-reply-to:  <12461.199510021318@ph.surrey.ac.uk>

on mon, 2 oct 1995, mr neil hunt wrote:

> like, i wouldn't sell my car for $100 when i could get $400 would i??

i'd hope you would if you knew it was only worth $100 and you were
selling it to a friend.  that's what i mean by us being strangers and not
a community.  it's not a matter of making money off of ig or filled
mailboxes; it's whether you're here in the spirit of sharing ig music or
making $s (or both).

deb \ indigo@clark.net
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date:         mon, 2 oct 1995 09:44:58 -0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              "eric t. gillespie" <gillespi@cig.mot.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "eric t. gillespie" <gillespi@cig.mot.com>
subject:      re: ig bootlegs
x-to:         ecooper@ljcrf.edu
in-reply-to:  <199509300021.uaa28534@po_box.cig.mot.com>; from "eric t.
              gillespie" at oct 02, 95 09:44 am

hi! i'm interested, tell me more...

eric


->
-> hi everyone.  i haven't posted in quite a long time.  but since there has
-> been recent talk about ig bootlegs and how to obtain them, i figured i'd
-> help some of you out.
->
-> if you are interested in starting an ig bootleg collection, or you are
-> interested in obtaining more ig bootlegs, please email me.
->
-> peace
->
-> --elana
->
=========================================================================
date:         mon, 2 oct 1995 07:34:48 -0700
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              "amy j. putnam" <pegasus@crl.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "amy j. putnam" <pegasus@crl.com>
subject:      women's music

this has been an intersting thread.  i've been thinking about some points
which no one has mentioned yet.  i think the sections of women's
music are on the whole disappearing as the music is integrated in
folk or pop.  tower/boston has a womens, and a men's, music section,
but tower/cambridge does not.  most other stores in boston do not
have these sections.  most of the time, the musci that does end up
in those sections are becuase of a performer's history (ie cris
williamson) or the buyer has no clue where to put something (ie
disappear fear).

when i first came out 8 years ago, i craved music/books/anything
wioth lesbian content.  i would look for women's music sections
as places to get cris williamson, lucy blue tremblay, deirdre
mccalla, and several others.  i totally agree that pigeonholing music
based on a performer's sexual orientation is problematic, but
at the same time, that section (which i usually found near folk)
helped me find music which helped me feel better about myself.
i yearn for the day when such sections are unnecssary, when homo-
phobia ceases to exist and kids coming out wont have th same
identtiy problems.  but, right now, i think it helps people find
some music that may help, especially if they dont have access to
womens or gay/lesbian bookstores.  also, nowadays there is not
really as much coming out as "women's music"...many of the
early performers in those markets are not making music anymore
and those who are, are now generally better known and able to
find their way into other sections of the music store.

it's only ghettoization if we let it be..if we let them make us
feel weird going to the back corner of the store to "that section".
"that section" will cease to exist as sexuiality becomes a non-issue
in music, as it is slowly becoming.

just my 2 cents.


amy p.                          /       who holds your hand
pegasus@crl.com                /        when you're alone
                              /
the original photo monk      /                  --patty larkin
=========================================================================
date:         mon, 2 oct 1995 08:25:08 pdt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              monique barbanson <mhb@batnet.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         monique barbanson <mhb@batnet.com>
subject:      re: introductions
x-to:         debbie alexander <st000051@brownvm.brown.edu>

hi there,

just thought i'd say hi. i'm fairly new to the list too. i've been on for
about a week. there's an incredible amount of traffic, but it's been fun.
i live in the sf bay area and i'm originally from france. i discovered ig
about a year ago when they came to berkely for their so tour, and i've been
a fan ever since.
let me know if you'd like info on how to get the cover me grey tape and/or
jcs show bootleg (if you weren't around when those notes were posted).

if you find out about how to get ahold of copies of the indie releases from
ig please let me know.

monique
=========================================================================
date:         mon, 2 oct 1995 15:36:47 +0100
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              mr neil hunt <ph21nh@ph.surrey.ac.uk>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         mr neil hunt <ph21nh@ph.surrey.ac.uk>
subject:      re: segregation and list things...
x-to:         sstanley@infinet.com

greetings :):)

i never said it was right to segregate...in fact, i think that that's what's
wrong with so much music (especially in america) on a wide scale...
so we have indigo girs, are they rock/pop or county or folk or...??

>for me, the difference is that a gospel section, just like a jazz section or
>a classical section, denotes a type of music...
>it's a reasonable assumption that the music will be about god/religion and
>a person can make a musical choice based on that information.

i can think of many cd's i've seen under that heading (and even own, mind
you...) that have less specific references to god than your average indigo
girls album :):) and as for the type of music, well you can get anything from
jazz to rap to metal to classical to anything else, and so it's just as
indescriptive of musical content as gay/lesbian.

but just as in tower records in london there's a gay/lesbian magazine and
book stand, why shouldn't there be a gay/lesbian/women's music section. not
to define their music as being different, but of these being artists who are
most likely to appeal to this particular audience, like i said, through word
of mouth and gay/lesbian magazine coverage...

i think segregation is used not to distinguish between different people, but
(and especially in larger stores) to stop the customer looking alphabetically
through world music/jazz/metal/barny-the-lovable-purple-dinosaur titles to
find their michael bolton (ick!!) cd.

just as you can't look at a cd by a 'christian' artist and say how subtly or
blatantly it deals with christianity, you can't look at a cd by a 'lesbian'
artists and say how it deals with homosexuality. nor can you judge the
quality or indeed the style of the music therein. i think one would have to
be very narrow minded to be influenced by that sort of prejudgement...

exactly the sort of person who with one 'bad' lyric on a disc that they just
happened to buy in a mixed section at the store (and how often do you go and
get a cd by someone you've _never_ heard anything about...) would turn it
off and throw it away...

see ??

@}--,--'---


  neily :)            indigogirlsjellyfishdeaconblueedenburningtracychapmanaimee
   41 mountside        mannbeatlesbuddyhollydannywilsonbillyjoelshawncolvinmaria
    guildford           mckeefairgroundattractioneverlybrothersdelamitribandomd
     @}--,--'---         royorbisonjuliemillerjamroxettecarolekingandmanymore...
=========================================================================
date:         mon, 2 oct 1995 16:36:48 +0100
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              mts5@aber.ac.uk
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         matthew joseph smith <mts5@aber.ac.uk>
subject:      1200 curfews

bad news guys (in the uk):  1200 curfews isn't getting released over here.
i checked it with epic via wh smith's today and there's no plans to release it.

i suggest neil hunt and sharon jennings and any other uk users here:  (a)
write letters to epic/sony to protest at the way ig fans are being treated
over here (i certainly will be) and (b) get all their friends who like the
igs (and any other american bands little heard over here) to do the same.

i'll be posting the alt.music.indigo-girls newsgroup to spread the word, and
probably my college one too.   this just goes to show how little record
companies care about their customers, doesn't it?   most big companies have
some pretension of a commitment to customer service.   does epic give a toss?

mat
mts5@aber.ac.uk

"in a perfect world we'd all sing in tune
but this is reality, so give me some room"
     - billy bragg, "waiting for the great leap forwards".
=========================================================================
date:         mon, 2 oct 1995 12:28:20 edt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              lorinda wright <lw01@lehigh.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         lorinda wright <lw01@lehigh.edu>
subject:      re: womens music
x-to:         alycia n broz <anb038@nwu.edu>

>        in this corner, i found a small section with an even smaller label, ent
itling the little corner "womens music."  here i found ferron, new mongrels, the
ig jesus christ superstar cd, ban de soleil, disappear fear, and ani defranco.
>        my question is, why the segregation?  why put them in a small corner fa
r away from the other cds.  can't men hear the music when these cds are played?
shouldn't ferron be in the "folk" section?

well, this may be really naive on my part, but if i were ever to find _any_ of
these cd's _anywhere_ in a regular music store, i'd be thrilled. i've never
seen any of these cd's in _my_ local music stores. (mostly the wall). there
are usually shelves and shelves of pop, rap, hip-hop (whatever that is, and
however it differs from rap, not that i care.), classical, and even country,
and sometimes there will be a tiny little section entitled folk, but it's
usually _in with_ the country section as in "country/folk" (who made _that_
one up???). what's more, i don't think i've ever seen any of the above
mentioned artists or cd's in this folk section. i think i saw one kristen hall
cd there once. i've gotten essentially _all_ my ig related music and other
folk music (except for the 6 comercially released ig albums) through special
orders, trading, and from rdr. so you found a music store that carries them?
maybe you should be counting your blessings. maybe not. i don't know. i do
know that tower record normally carries _everything,_ but unfortunately i
don't live near one. *sigh* yes, i live out in the "boonies."

folkisgruven,
lorindigo


lorinda wright           "learn to pretend there's more than love that
lw01@lehigh.edu           matters. -e.s.
lehigh university
bethlehem, pa
                         "a ghost of comfort, angel's breath to keep this
                          life inside my chest." -a.r.
=========================================================================
date:         mon, 2 oct 1995 09:40:08 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              deb <indigo@clark.net>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         deb <indigo@clark.net>
subject:      re: nigc: re: auctions and guitar picks
x-to:         julie meloni <dmon@hidwater.com>
in-reply-to:  <199510020109.saa28100@powerof>

i'm really sorry that julie took such offense at my comments. i hope i can
clarify.

>well, she's right -- there's a
>reason they call it the past and there's a reason they tell you to get over
>it...

it seems to me that lamenting the changes in this list is no different from
remembering with fondness the days before ig played arenas with horrible
acoustics. as for your contentious "get over it," i suspect that those who
haven't gotten over it are no longer on the list.

and it wasn't just a matter of the past, either; i also wrote that the ig
list is the only one i'm *currently* on which is so commercial.

>in a
>capitalist society, you make money when you can -- i needed to, and i did.

as you are well within your rights to.

>now, about my company, hidden water, which i don't know how it entered into
>the fray, but the company has no money, it rarely asks its clients for
>money, and the owner and employees work for free.

that wasn't my understanding from previous conversations with you. and i'm
glad to have given you the opportunity to clear that up, since from the
looks of my mailbox this morning, i'm not the only one under the impression
that you're making a living from hidden water, or at least that you intend
to one day make your living from it. if your foresight allows you to do
what you do and profit from it, more power to you. as i've told you before,
i think you've got the coolest job on the planet (back when i thought it
was your full-time job).

>if the complaint was that we post updates of possible interest to people who
>read this list,

it wasn't.

>well, sorry, but we post updates of anything of interest to
>any list that's out there, usenet or mailing list.

i would hope so.

>as for rainy day records, yeah, they're a corporate entity.  they are
>commercial.  they have been selling cds on the net for 4 years, and they
>have been providing a lot of home-grown artists with an outlet to reach fans
>worldwide, by selling things on the net.

*and* they've been great to their net fans, with the new year's eve party,
generous return and price-matching policies, etc.

>am i jumping to conclusions?  sure i am.

i'm sorry you received my post completely out of context, and that you
chose to react defensively. it's understandable, given your hard work on
hw and your close ties to rdr.  but that's precisely why i wrote:

>i'm the first to tell you what a *great* site hidden water is, how
>*generous* julie is with her knowledge and her collection, what a *great*
>music store rainy day is, and what *great* folks perry and marsha are.
>hidden water and rainy day have been invaluable in getting many atlanta
>artists the attention they deserve.

i wasn't covering my ass. i meant it. and i also meant it when i said that
i think, for better or worse, all the money floating around here has had an
impact on the list. i'd be surprised if you didn't agree, although i can't
really remember at what point you joined the list originally.

--
deb \ indigo@clark.net \ 10-02 10:30 est \ http://www.clark.net/pub/indigo
=========================================================================
date:         mon, 2 oct 1995 12:59:29 -24000
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              "judith k. hunter" <jhunter@rtc.gov>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "judith k. hunter" <jhunter@rtc.gov>
subject:      re: re[2]: monique's introduction

hi rob!  thanks for the info..people on the list are so helpful..i really
enjoy them.  also heard from another person named monique who gave me the
address of daemon records (pob 1207, decatur, ga 30031-1207) for jcs for $15
including postage...i hope i get a catalog too!

thanks again,  jude :)
=========================================================================
date:         mon, 2 oct 1995 12:59:26 edt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              lorinda wright <lw01@lehigh.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         lorinda wright <lw01@lehigh.edu>
subject:      re: nigc: re: auctions and guitar picks
x-to:         bertin lefkovic <indigboy@eden.rutgers.edu>

>what's wrong with communism???
>
>peace pops
>
>bert
>

it doesn't work.

folkisgruven,
lorindigo


lorinda wright           "learn to pretend there's more than love that
lw01@lehigh.edu           matters. -e.s.
lehigh university
bethlehem, pa
                         "a ghost of comfort, angel's breath to keep this
                          life inside my chest." -a.r.
=========================================================================
date:         mon, 2 oct 1995 09:19:33 -0700
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              julie meloni <dmon@hidwater.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         julie meloni <dmon@hidwater.com>
subject:      re: nigc: re: auctions and guitar picks
x-to:         deb <indigo@clark.net>

at 09:40 am 10/2/95 -0400, deb wrote:
>i'm really sorry that julie took such offense at my comments. i hope i can
>clarify.

but deb, i wasn't really doing so at your comments, since i never received
them in their original form, right then? :)

>and it wasn't just a matter of the past, either; i also wrote that the ig
>list is the only one i'm *currently* on which is so commercial.

yep, it's probably the most commercial list that i'd seen, when i was on it;
that's not taking into consideration usenet groups, which are often (eg rem)
_the_ place to tell what you have, how much it is, what you want, or how
much you'll pay.  but that's not a mailing list, that's usenet, comletely
different.  other mailing lists, like the folk_music list, for example,
aren't commercially centered, and are discussion-based, you're right.

>that wasn't my understanding from previous conversations with you. and i'm
>glad to have given you the opportunity to clear that up, since from the
>looks of my mailbox this morning, i'm not the only one under the impression
>that you're making a living from hidden water,

really?  hopefully anyone who thought that was the case is reading this now,
and knows that i'm not, nor is anyone who works for me.

>or at least that you intend to one day make your living from it.

one day, yes -- it's in the 5 year plan; as a company we do more than just
www sites, but that's what people see more often.  but, for anyone that's
interested, 6 artists directly on our site paid a hundred bucks each,
one-time fee, for everything that's on their site.  the other people were
free.  the folk venue database, the folk_music digest archive, and the folk
dj list, they're free. eddie's was free to begin with, and pays  a monthly
housing fee that is very small.  the bluebird cafe paid a one-time fee of
$50.  rdr pays $50 per artist, and a small housing fee per month.  we did
the site for out loud for 2 free cds.  we're doing a site for the magazine
the old-time herald for free, and a site for the folk alliance, for a small fee.

so that's the last year's income.  no artists pay a thing for adding press
releases, tour dates, 3x a week updates to the tour schedule, the automatic
inclusion of tour dates into musi-cal, and other amenities such as that.

as you can see -- it's not a money-maker, nor is the current plan for it to
be a money-maker.  we exist to give things to people.  my graphics and sound
person works for free, and me, the sales/email answerer/script writer/site
designer/server admin, works for free.  i log about 70 hours a week on hw stuff.

how can i do this?  because i have a contractual relationship with a
multimedia company out here, that lets me do my job for them from my house,
so i'm not tied to an 8-5 job on-site.  that job pays me exactly enough
money to pay my necessary bills.  everything else?  that's why god made visa
cards.

now that everyone knows my income status, the income status of my company,
hopefully people will not continue to think that we are, or i am, the
entertainment world's version of microsoft. :)

>>as for rainy day records, yeah, they're a corporate entity.  they are
>>commercial.  they have been selling cds on the net for 4 years, and they
>>have been providing a lot of home-grown artists with an outlet to reach fans
>>worldwide, by selling things on the net.
>
>*and* they've been great to their net fans, with the new year's eve party,
>generous return and price-matching policies, etc.

rightly said.

>>am i jumping to conclusions?  sure i am.
>
>i'm sorry you received my post completely out of context, and that you
>chose to react defensively. it's understandable, given your hard work on
>hw and your close ties to rdr.  but that's precisely why i wrote:

thank you for understanding that i wasn't attacking anyone, basically
because i didn't know who said what exactly, or in what manner.  i just was
told that my company was used in an analogy to making money, which it isn't. :)

>>i'm the first to tell you what a *great* site hidden water is, how
>>*generous* julie is with her knowledge and her collection, what a *great*
>>music store rainy day is, and what *great* folks perry and marsha are.
>>hidden water and rainy day have been invaluable in getting many atlanta
>>artists the attention they deserve.

well, thanks again, deb, and thanks for allowing me the segue to provide the
short version of my financial statement. :)  in 1996, we're implementing a
corporate sponsorship program, specifically designed so that corporations
with money to burn, can do it by purchasing the equivalent of ad space on
our database pages, so that they can continue to exist for the use of all,
in the same vein as musi-cal (http://www.calendar.com/concerts/) and other
programs of the like.

> i'd be surprised if you didn't agree, although i can't
>really remember at what point you joined the list originally.

of course i agree; i joined the list in 9/92 and left in 5/95

julie meloni
dmon@hidwater.com
hidden water ... http://www.hidwater.com/
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date:         mon, 2 oct 1995 13:20:26 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              kristina cizas <kcizas@cgrg.ohio-state.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         kristina cizas <kcizas@cgrg.ohio-state.edu>
subject:      re: womens music
in-reply-to:  <pine.sun.3.91.951001093556.13174b-100000@rigel>

on sun, 1 oct 1995, sheri stanley wrote:

> i agree with you; indeed, ferron should be in the folk section. i don't
> like the term "womens' music." it is a segregating term. i mean, you
> don't see "mens' music" for artists that aren't top ten well-known
> performers. if it's any consolation, the borders book store here in cols.
> has all the music mixed together according to genre...not the performer's
> genital makeup :)

um... no it doesn't, sheri. "women's music" is right next to "folk". both
sections (as you know *grin*) are incredibly well-stocked, but the
section does exist.

k
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date:         mon, 2 oct 1995 13:33:00 edt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              sheri stanley <sstanley@infinet.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         sheri stanley <sstanley@infinet.com>
subject:      re: segregation and list things...
x-to:         mr neil hunt <ph21nh@ph.surrey.ac.uk>

>
>greetings :):)
>
>hi there :)


i never said it was right to segregate...

i know, and i hope i didn't imply that you did. i believe i understood your
question and was simply trying to answer honestly based on my own thoughts
and feelings.

in fact, i think that that's what's
>wrong with so much music (especially in america) on a wide scale...
>so we have indigo girs, are they rock/pop or county or folk or...??

i completely agree.

>i can think of many cd's i've seen under that heading (and even own, mind
>you...) that have less specific references to god than your average indigo
>girls album :):) and as for the type of music, well you can get anything from
>jazz to rap to metal to classical to anything else, and so it's just as
>indescriptive of musical content as gay/lesbian.

i disagree. i think "jazz," "gospel," etc. are far more descriptive words
about music than gay/lesbian. however, i think the majority of ill-informed
and narrow minded people would look at a "womens' music" category and
think..ick! :)

>but just as in tower records in london there's a gay/lesbian magazine and
>book stand, why shouldn't there be a gay/lesbian/women's music section. not
>to define their music as being different, but of these being artists who are
>most likely to appeal to this particular audience, like i said, through word
>of mouth and gay/lesbian magazine coverage...


that's difficult to answer because you have a good argument. but frankly, i
wish there was no need for a gay/lesbian section. i don't believe in such
categorization.

>just as you can't look at a cd by a 'christian' artist and say how subtly or
>blatantly it deals with christianity, you can't look at a cd by a 'lesbian'
>artists and say how it deals with homosexuality. nor can you judge the
>quality or indeed the style of the music therein. i think one would have to
>be very narrow minded to be influenced by that sort of prejudgement...

>indeed, but the world is full of narrow-minded people :)

>exactly the sort of person who with one 'bad' lyric on a disc that they just
>happened to buy in a mixed section at the store (and how often do you go and
>get a cd by someone you've _never_ heard anything about...) would turn it
>off and throw it away...
>
>see ??

yes, i certainly see your point...but do you see mine, as well? :)


to take the world into one's arms and to act toward it
in a soul-filled and soul-strengthening manner is a
powerful act of wildish spirit.
       -clarissa pinkola estes/women who run with the wolves
=========================================================================
date:         mon, 2 oct 1995 13:35:00 edt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              sheri stanley <sstanley@infinet.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         sheri stanley <sstanley@infinet.com>
subject:      re: womens music
x-to:         kristina cizas <kcizas@cgrg.ohio-state.edu>

>um... no it doesn't, sheri. "women's music" is right next to "folk". both
>sections (as you know *grin*) are incredibly well-stocked, but the
>section does exist.
>
>k
>
>i know...bev already corrected me on that :) i've never paid too much
attention because i never make it past the folk section :) but my thoughts
and feelings about categories remain the same :)
to take the world into one's arms and to act toward it
in a soul-filled and soul-strengthening manner is a
powerful act of wildish spirit.
       -clarissa pinkola estes/women who run with the wolves
=========================================================================
date:         mon, 2 oct 1995 09:54:43 -0700
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              julie meloni <dmon@hidwater.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         julie meloni <dmon@hidwater.com>
subject:      nigc: thank you for your time

while i realize that probably 99% of the readership of this list cares not a
whit about whether or not my company makes money, and if so, how much, i do
appreciate the fact that i have not yet (yet is stressed :) ) received any
flames for wasting bandwidth, when essentially i did.

the argument about capitalism is a long and tedious one; frankly i slept
through most of those classes in school.  i just know the reasons that
hidden water has existed for a year, and why it will continue to do so.  and
then, it's not to say that we're the only company in the world who does
things for free, or for a comparatively rock-bottom cost (versus what a
"real" company would have to pay for www sites of the same verbosity and
quality, for example).  the 'net is full of individuals who put out the same
efforts to provide information about people whose careers they care about,
and they should also be applauded for their efforts.  in fact, as far as the
www goes, companies like mine totally rely on individuals -- surfers who
tell their friends, people who link their personal pages to ours, and so on
-- to dissminate the information.

it's like i told chris mcmahon (of millan & kenzie,
http://www.hidwater.com/rdr/milkenzie/ is that good enough for now, chris?
:) ) when their access stats dropped during one period of time -- we can
only do so much until the fans themselves tell their friends and so on.
caroline aiken, the big geek (and i love her dearly) had us make her a
bumper sticker with her url on it, to give to folks at her shows -- and her
site is our most successful site for an individual.

so, while we provide a resource, it's up to the fans to make it work for the
artist.   on behalf of all of the artists that we directly or indirectly
represent, we thank you.  those of you who leave messages for the artists in
their drop-boxes -- they do get them, they do read them, and they do
appreciate them.   the ones with email even try to write back.  and for the
folks who wanted wendy bucklew tablature on her site, we're working on it. :)

again, thanks for your time, thanks for supporting the good music that's out
there (and bertin, you'll note that evan & jaron isn't on the rdr site
anymore), and thanks for allowing me to essentially waste bandwidth yet again.

and to the lifeblood users -- that's the most popular site we have
(http://www.hidwater.com/lifeblood/) and it's singlehandedly responsible for
us having to pay more server fees per month, so enjoy, and applaud carolyn
spidle (underdog@onramp.net) for working her butt off to try to get a few
more thousand files up there . :)


julie meloni
dmon@hidwater.com
hidden water ... http://www.hidwater.com/
=========================================================================
date:         mon, 2 oct 1995 13:59:56 edt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              mary clark <mryclrk@eden.rutgers.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         mary clark <mryclrk@eden.rutgers.edu>
subject:      re: *** bootleg and other info *** (old, no new info...)
x-to:         indigo girls mailing list
              <indigo-girls%netspace.org@rutvm1.rutgers.edu>,
              casey connor <chc1@cec.wustl.edu>
in-reply-to:  your message of fri, 29 sep 1995 12:20:20 -0500

when people ask how they can get bootlegs, most people reply that it's a
matter of luck, or that you have to ask someone on the list.  i'll make a
couple suggestions regarding this; someone who has a cd handy (i'm in my
college computer room, and i don't carry my boots everywhere with me) can
just post the address of the boot company.  you can usually order the cd
directly form there.  my history of us (and everyone's for that matter) came
with an order form; or if you live anywhere near a city or boot store, just
go there.  i live in new brunswick and if i had the money i could walk down
to cheap thrills right now and pick up complicated girls.  when they run out
i can go to new york and stop in any one of the dozen or so bootleg stores i
know of and find the cds there.  buying bootlegs does not involve trips to
dark alleyways, or clandestine meetings.  just because it's illegal doesn't
mean it isn't easy to get.  look at marijauna. :-)
=========================================================================
date:         mon, 2 oct 1995 13:00:58 -0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              jamie suthard <suthardj@southwestern.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         jamie suthard <suthardj@southwestern.edu>
subject:      re: womens music
x-to:         lorinda wright <lw01@lehigh.edu>
in-reply-to:  <199510021628.maa22689@ns4-1.cc.lehigh.edu>

i live by a tower record store and i'm always counting my blessings...i'm
new to the list, so i don't know what i'm doing quite yet...
all i know is that i feel the same way about the segregation of music...
waterloo record store does the same thing...shame on them...
js
=========================================================================
date:         mon, 2 oct 1995 13:04:16 -0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              jamie suthard <suthardj@southwestern.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         jamie suthard <suthardj@southwestern.edu>
subject:      re: nigc: re: auctions and guitar picks
x-to:         lorinda wright <lw01@lehigh.edu>
in-reply-to:  <199510021659.maa91584@ns1-1.cc.lehigh.edu>

well, i don't know what i'm doing...
js

on mon, 2 oct 1995, lorinda wright wrote:

> >what's wrong with communism???
> >
> >peace pops
> >
> >bert
> >
>
> it doesn't work.
>
> folkisgruven,
> lorindigo
>
>
> lorinda wright           "learn to pretend there's more than love that
> lw01@lehigh.edu           matters. -e.s.
> lehigh university
> bethlehem, pa
>                          "a ghost of comfort, angel's breath to keep this
>                           life inside my chest." -a.r.
>
=========================================================================
date:         mon, 2 oct 1995 14:01:43 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              william norris <wnorris@soulcage.inmind.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         william norris <wnorris@soulcage.inmind.com>
subject:      re: nigc: re: auctions and guitar picks
in-reply-to:  <199510021659.maa91584@ns1-1.cc.lehigh.edu> from "lorinda wright"
              at oct 2, 95 12:59:26 pm

>
> >what's wrong with communism???
> >
> >peace pops
> >
> >bert
> >
>
> it doesn't work.
>
> folkisgruven,
> lorindigo
>

it's never been tried, really.

peace,
bill
=========================================================================
date:         mon, 2 oct 1995 14:06:51 edt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              bertin lefkovic <indigboy@eden.rutgers.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         bertin lefkovic <indigboy@eden.rutgers.edu>
subject:      re: *** bootleg and other info *** (old, no new info...)
x-to:         indigo girls mailing list
              <indigo-girls%netspace.org@rutvm1.rutgers.edu>,
              mary clark <mryclrk@eden.rutgers.edu>
in-reply-to:  your message of mon, 2 oct 1995 13:59:56 edt

but marijuana is better than ig

just kidding

vive la internacionale

bert
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date:         mon, 2 oct 1995 14:12:14 edt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              mary clark <mryclrk@eden.rutgers.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         mary clark <mryclrk@eden.rutgers.edu>
subject:      re: 4.5, diesel dykes and farm aid
x-to:         indigo girls mailing list
              <indigo-girls%netspace.org@rutvm1.rutgers.edu>, mts5@aber.ac.uk
in-reply-to:  your message of fri, 29 sep 1995 19:06:01 +0100

is anyone else sick of this us versus britain debate?  as an american of
irish descent i am offended by the assertion that britain somehow serves it's
people better than america.  tell that to my grandfather who had to
run out of the country so they wouldn't chop his head off.  i"m sure
parliament serves the english peasants real well, with the money they
skim off the irish poor.  besides this glaring omission in this
argument (and the fact that, in times of desperation, like the ones we are
having now, people are willing to elect anything, including a hitler, if that
person promises jobs and food - a la republicans) what the hell does any of
this have to do with indigo girls?  do like the girl/womyn/chick says
and get this off the list.
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date:         mon, 2 oct 1995 13:15:51 -0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              jim fagan <fagan@austin.ibm.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         jim fagan <fagan@austin.ibm.com>
subject:      re: women's music (waterloo records)
in-reply-to:  <pine.hpp.3.91.951002125848.29125a-100000@ralph.southwestern.edu>
              from "jamie suthard" at oct 2, 95 01:00:58 pm

>
> i live by a tower record store and i'm always counting my blessings...i'm
> new to the list, so i don't know what i'm doing quite yet...
> all i know is that i feel the same way about the segregation of music...
> waterloo record store does the same thing...shame on them...
jamie:
  if you're talking about waterloo in austin, then you have it
wrong.  all their artists are in alphabetical order.  there is
no classification whatsoever.  you can see dissapear fear right
after disposable heros of hiphoprisy (however it is spelled).
more stores should be this way, imnsho.

> js
>


--

jim fagan    aix apar regression technical lead  (512) 838-2458
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date:         mon, 2 oct 1995 14:22:09 edt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              mary clark <mryclrk@eden.rutgers.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         mary clark <mryclrk@eden.rutgers.edu>
subject:      re: michelle malone fans read on...
x-to:         indigo girls mailing list
              <indigo-girls%netspace.org@rutvm1.rutgers.edu>, mjg333@aol.com
in-reply-to:  your message of sun, 1 oct 1995 06:16:05 -0400

for michelle malone fans in the nj area, princeton record exchange has
michelle live on a cd called "building fires over atlanta".  i think it's a
five song promo with songs she wrote with kristen hall.  it's in the junk
section of the store for 3.99.  go figure.
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date:         mon, 2 oct 1995 13:24:36 -0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              jamie suthard <suthardj@southwestern.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         jamie suthard <suthardj@southwestern.edu>
subject:      re: *** bootleg and other info *** (old, no new info...)
x-to:         bertin lefkovic <indigboy@eden.rutgers.edu>
in-reply-to:  <cmm-ru.1.5.812657211.indigboy@er7.rutgers.edu>

nothing is better thab ig
js
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date:         mon, 2 oct 1995 13:27:23 -0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              jamie suthard <suthardj@southwestern.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         jamie suthard <suthardj@southwestern.edu>
subject:      re: confuzzled nightmares
x-to:         mary clark <mryclrk@eden.rutgers.edu>
in-reply-to:  <cmm-ru.1.5.812657534.mryclrk@er6.rutgers.edu>

so, who has a favorite song and why??
js
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date:         mon, 2 oct 1995 13:41:05 -0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              jamie suthard <suthardj@southwestern.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         jamie suthard <suthardj@southwestern.edu>
subject:      re: waterloo
x-to:         jim fagan <fagan@austin.ibm.com>
in-reply-to:  <9510021815.aa63356@bonzo.austin.ibm.com>

jim:
they separate the rap/hip hop from the rest and the record section is
like that...but i do agree we are lucky to have such an upbeat store near
us...  thanks for the clarification.

js
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date:         mon, 2 oct 1995 14:45:10 edt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              mary clark <mryclrk@eden.rutgers.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         mary clark <mryclrk@eden.rutgers.edu>
subject:      a real live thread

i noticed that someone brought up favorite songs... which is always nice but
for those of us who have been on this list forever it's old hat.  so a friend
of mine on the pearl jam list (sorry bert, and yes i just might come to your
little shindig) said they had this new thread recently, and i dug it a lot.
you know you're an indigo girls fan when:
1) dowar, hou, nth, and cg all make sense to you
2) you've publicly offered to have amy's baby
3) you work at a 5.25 an hour job and bid $200 for some rare promo item, like
a recording of amy coughing.
4) you play your green swamp vinyl backwards and hear "emily is dead, emily
is dead."
5) you can count the number of shows you've gone to exclusively with the use
of a calculator
6) half of your 400 item tape/cd collection consists of ig
7) you buy michelle malone's stuff cause you heard amy and her went out,
which means she must be cool
8) you smoke american eagle cigarettes because amy smokes them
9) you date someone who bears an eerie resemblance to emily (guilty...)
10) you laugh at people who say "i have all six of their albums"

i have to gho to class now, otherwise i'd think of more.  anyhow, the pj
people thought of 100, and i'm sure we can beat that.

mc
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date:         mon, 2 oct 1995 15:25:00 edt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              sheri stanley <sstanley@infinet.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         sheri stanley <sstanley@infinet.com>
subject:      re: nigc: thank you for your time
x-to:         julie meloni <dmon@hidwater.com>

>caroline aiken, the big geek (and i love her dearly) had us make her a
>bumper sticker with her url on it, to give to folks at her shows -- and her
>site is our most successful site for an individual.


hey julie, that's great news. i got a few of those bumper stickers (lorene
sent them) and now the whole population of columbus is going to have
caroline's www address :)


-sheri

to take the world into one's arms and to act toward it
in a soul-filled and soul-strengthening manner is a
powerful act of wildish spirit.
       -clarissa pinkola estes/women who run with the wolves
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date:         mon, 2 oct 1995 15:18:29 edt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              debbie <st000051@brownvm.brown.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         debbie <st000051@brownvm.brown.edu>
subject:      re: a real live thread
x-to:         mary clark <mryclrk@eden.rutgers.edu>
in-reply-to:  message of mon, 2 oct 1995 14:45:10 edt from
              <mryclrk@eden.rutgers.edu>

hi all

just a reply to the "you know you're an indigo girls fan when..." list that
was sent out earlier today:

uh, i guess i know this was meant as one of those "in-joke" things, but, hell,
just because not all of us have been fortunate enough to obtain _all_ their
old material doesn't mean we're not all real fans.  it just makes you folks
on the list just as stuck up as everyone on every other list.

i just signed up a few days ago, and i wrote a note then introducing myself -
for anyone who didn't read it or didn't remember, i've been a die-hard ig fan
for the past 6 years (since late '89), because i love their music and most of
what they stand for.  (i don't say _everything_ they stand for just 'cause i
don't _know_ all of it, so that would be a lie).   since i first heard them
i've felt a conenction with their music, lyrics, emotions etc. that few other
songwriters can give me, and hell, if that doesn't make me a fan, then i don't
want to be on the list.

i do hope that such unworthy outsiders as myself can still feel welcome on
this list, to learn about the wonders of _your_ favorite band, and discover
what wonders await still unknown to me, phony ig-fan that i am.


one person was nice enough to acknowledge my existence here and offered me
information on jcs and some other stuff - thank you.

please, y'all, don't take this as some kind of personal attack on all of you -
it's just that i've been part of other mailing lists where stuff like this
goes around and all the "non-original-fans" get all defensive about it.  and
here i am considering myself a pretty damn devoted long-time fan, and i _still_
have to feel like an outcast 'cause i came here to learn about what older stuff
i still might be missing.


later, folks,

debbie
toadstool@brown.edu
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date:         mon, 2 oct 1995 11:40:35 pdt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              ron johnson <ronjohns@microsoft.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         ron johnson <ronjohns@microsoft.com>
subject:      re: *** bootleg and other info *** (old, no new info...)
x-to:         owner-indigo-girls@netspace.org

maybe they're two great things that go great together???? ;-)
----------
from: bertin lefkovic  <indigboy@eden.rutgers.edu>
to: multiple recipients of list indigo-girls  <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
subject: re: *** bootleg and other info *** (old, no new info...)
date: monday, october 02, 1995 2:06pm

but marijuana is better than ig

just kidding

vive la internacionale

bert
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date:         mon, 2 oct 1995 15:20:13 -0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              jamie suthard <suthardj@southwestern.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         jamie suthard <suthardj@southwestern.edu>
subject:      re: a real live thread
x-to:         mary clark <mryclrk@eden.rutgers.edu>
in-reply-to:  <cmm-ru.1.5.812659510.mryclrk@er6.rutgers.edu>

okay...sorry about the favorite song thing...
i'm guilty of half of those items on the list!
ahhhhhhhh!!!
js
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date:         mon, 2 oct 1995 15:25:47 -0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              jamie suthard <suthardj@southwestern.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         jamie suthard <suthardj@southwestern.edu>
subject:      re: a real live thread
x-to:         debbie <st000051@brownvm.brown.edu>
in-reply-to:  <199510021933.paa03012@netspace.org>

debbie:  i just joined the list as well and find it a bit narrow
minded...amy and emily are supposed to be the goddesses of open minded-ness
what are ppl on the list doing when they imply that because i don't have
any actual cds (they're all copies of friends tapes) and i've only been
to two concerts and i'm not gonna buy that expensive gold plated albulm
thing...does it mean i'm not an ultimate fan?????   i love amy and emily!!
please respond!
js
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date:         mon, 2 oct 1995 16:41:53 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              karra l mcleroy <kmcleroy@umich.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         karra l mcleroy <kmcleroy@umich.edu>
subject:      re: 1200 curfews
x-to:         mts5@aber.ac.uk
in-reply-to:  <199510021537.laa21247@netspace.org>

on mon, 2 oct 1995, matthew joseph smith wrote:

> bad news guys (in the uk):  1200 curfews isn't getting released over here.
> i checked it with epic via wh smith's today and there's no plans to release it.
>

i may live to regret this, but since neil was kind enough to get me a
copy of 4.5, i am willing to send 1200 curfews to anyone who can't get it
overseas.  email me privately and we'll work out the details.

karra
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date:         mon, 2 oct 1995 16:37:38 edt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              lorinda wright <lw01@lehigh.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         lorinda wright <lw01@lehigh.edu>
subject:      re: a real live thread
x-to:         debbie <st000051@brownvm.brown.edu>

debbie wrote:

>just because not all of us have been fortunate enough to obtain _all_ their
>old material doesn't mean we're not all real fans.  it just makes you folks
>on the list just as stuck up as everyone on every other list.

whoa! hold on there! calm down! :)

>for the past 6 years (since late '89), because i love their music and most of
>what they stand for.  (i don't say _everything_ they stand for just 'cause i
>don't _know_ all of it, so that would be a lie).   since i first heard them
>i've felt a conenction with their music, lyrics, emotions etc. that few other
>songwriters can give me, and hell, if that doesn't make me a fan, then i don't
>want to be on the list.

i don't mean to start any flames here, but i feel the need to defend my
favorite (only) list. i've been on this list since early last spring, and i
have to say that i can't remember the last time i had so much fun, or met so
many wonderful people. (yes, that's all of you, now smile:) this list is
extremely nice, and flame-free, and kind to newcomers. (imho) i don't think
anyone here looks down their nose at new ig fans, or newbies on the list. most
of the ig fans i know have only been ig fans for a year or so, and my attitude
toward them is "here, lemme show you this album, lemme play you this song, and
bring some blank tape with you next time so i can copy stuff for you." in
other words, i'm thrilled that they too love my favorite band, and i want to
share the wealth. my attitude toward newbies on the list is the same, whether
they be new ig fans or old, and i'd venture a guess that the majority of the
rest of the list feels the same way. if you got the wrong impression of us,
i'm _really_ sorry, cuz i happen to think we're a pretty cool group of folks.
after all, look who our heroes are. i think it's safe to say that we all think
pretty highly of how amy and emily live their lives. they are certainly not
"stuck up" and i would like to think that neither are we. in other words, give
us a chance! we're not trying to be exclusive or anything, and you're not a
"phony ig-fan" in our eyes. all you have to do is love their music. and you
do. and we do. so that's all that matters. right?

folkisgruven,
lorindigo


lorinda wright           "learn to pretend there's more than love that
lw01@lehigh.edu           matters. -e.s.
lehigh university
bethlehem, pa
                         "a ghost of comfort, angel's breath to keep this
                          life inside my chest." -a.r.
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date:         mon, 2 oct 1995 16:30:04 -0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              horhay <gtuft@niu.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         horhay <gtuft@niu.edu>
subject:      a hearty howdie

heeeeey yoooou guuuuuuuuysss!
(that's how the electric company began.  does anyone remember that show?)

i'm brand new to this good ol' list and i've only sent one
count it one
message.  mostly what i do is read and try to absorb the nearly 1.21
jiggawats of new news that pops up each day.  thank you all for your wealth
of information.  it's making my life interesting again

so let me take this opportunity to introduce myself:
my name is george tuft
folks call me horhay(that's a mutilation of the spanish name jorge, which
means george)
im from illinois and go to niu(northern illinois university).  so any of you
that are from the chicago area...give me stuff.
that's all.
tanks for your time.

horhay
gtuft@niu.edu

ps.  i am kindly accepting all offers of copies of any ig bootleg.
gimmiegimmiegimmie.
i ain't got @#!^ and i need some.
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date:         mon, 2 oct 1995 17:33:53 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              "jean m. bardin" <jmbardin@mailbox.syr.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "jean m. bardin" <jmbardin@mailbox.syr.edu>
subject:      re: a real live thread
x-to:         mary clark <mryclrk@eden.rutgers.edu>
in-reply-to:  <cmm-ru.1.5.812659510.mryclrk@er6.rutgers.edu>

        i thought amy smoked american *spirit*, not eagle.  does this
mean i've been giving myself cancer with the wrong brand?

-jean
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date:         mon, 2 oct 1995 16:36:53 cdt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              naz <nazman@iastate.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         naz <nazman@iastate.edu>
subject:      re: a real live thread
x-to:         jamie suthard <suthardj@southwestern.edu>
in-reply-to:  your message of "mon, 02 oct 1995 15:25:47 cdt."
              <pine.hpp.3.91.951002152209.6517c-100000@ralph.southwestern.edu>

>what are ppl on the list doing when they imply that because i don't have
>any actual cds (they're all copies of friends tapes) and i've only been
>to two concerts and i'm not gonna buy that expensive gold plated albulm
>thing...does it mean i'm not an ultimate fan?????   i love amy and emily!!
>please respond!
>js

hi js & all,

i think it's important to note that these "you know you're a real ig
fan" things are only meant to imply that if they're true, you know you
are... not that if they're not you're not... sorry, let me try again...


i know i don't have 400 ig boots (*drool*) but the line only says that
if i did happen to look at my collection and find this to be the case
that i ought to be suspicious that i *was* a real ig fan.

well, i'm already suspicious of that for other reasons, which i've added to
the 'you know when' signs to watch for...

they're kind of like warning signs to watch for... you may have some,
none, or all of these symptons, and may well have many that haven't been
documented yet!  it's supposed to be all in fun, kind of a
brag/confession sharing among people who *all* probably share and
appreciate the obsession... and not really meant to imply that the
realness of one's fandom is directly related to any the various
"ind"icators |]

take care,
naz
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date:         mon, 2 oct 1995 23:00:18 +0100
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              mts5@aber.ac.uk
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         matthew joseph smith <mts5@aber.ac.uk>
subject:      segregation / "women's music"

on the subject of segregation in music stores ... where does neil hunt shop,
may i ask?   it might be different in guildford, but where i live there are
no women's music or gay/lesbian music sections;  most of the artists
described, if they're available at all, are in the rock/pop section.   the
folk section is filled with (a) irish artists (mary black, christy moore,
eleanor mcevoy et al), and (b) fairport-esque bands (fairport convention,
pentangle, albion band, richard thompson - actually most of them have
ex-pentangle or fairporters in them, so it's all one scene).

if you ask me, i think that if records are to be segregated at all, it
should be purely musical style, not the personal life of the artist.   if we
have too much segregation, then the rock/pop section will be filled with (a)
corporate crap like mariah carey and (b) artists who can't be categorised.
it might get to the stage where the latter are alienated because they don't
fit any particular scene, but neither are they big news like mariah etc.
so they'll not survive.

incidentally, not everyone who wouldn't want to be seen in a gay/lesbian
section is narrow minded, or indeed would throw away their record if they
found a gay lyric in it.   homophobia doesn't stop at harassing gays.   it
also involves "freezing out" people who show the slightest sign of going
"that way".   when i was at school, bullies would use gay insults
interchangeably with words like "spastic".   sure, i like a lot of the music
that would be found in such a section, and wouldn't mind spending my money
on it, but when someone next day says, "what were you doing in the gay
section of hmv (or wherever)", i might have a job explaining to them that it
was the music that i was after.

ok, so i'm sorry that (hypothetically) i haven't shown the courage that the
said artists and many of the people on this page showed when they came out
in the first place.   but there should be no need to get hassled for liking
an artist who is in the same league as, say, shawn colvin or dar williams
apart from her sexual orientation and/or political views.   maybe to help
people like amy j putnam out there should be a gay/lesbian musical
companion, like the equivalent literary companion?   that would have the
advantage of telling people what this music is, instead of placing their
record under a banner saying "lesbian & gay". as for the "women's music" ...
well, they haven't even got that excuse to segregate such artists, and what
is their criteria anyway?

mat
mts5@aber.ac.uk
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date:         mon, 2 oct 1995 15:34:55 -0700
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              was gonzo really in love with chickens?d <cera@helen.bush.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         was gonzo really in love with chickens?d <cera@helen.bush.edu>
subject:      re: a hearty howdie
x-to:         horhay <gtuft@niu.edu>
in-reply-to:  <9510022130.aa13794@oats>

that greeting also reminded me of teh goonies!!! yeah..like that movie *grin*
just thought i'd share
-c
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date:         mon, 2 oct 1995 23:38:52 +0100
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              mr neil hunt <ph21nh@ph.surrey.ac.uk>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         mr neil hunt <ph21nh@ph.surrey.ac.uk>
subject:      re: segregation and list things...
x-to:         sstanley@infinet.com

many hellos one final time:):)

'cause there is just one leeetle misunderstanding i feel the need to clear up..
and at this point i wish i had an easy way to quote this, but here goes...

>>i can think of many cd's i have seen under that heading {i.e. christian/
>>gospel} that have less specific references to god than your average indigo
>>girls album :):) and as for the type of music you can have anything from
>>jazz to rap to classical to metal to anything else, and so it's just as
>>indescriptive of musical content as gay and lesbian.
>
>i disagree, i think 'jazz' 'gospel' etc. are far more descriptive words
>about music than gay/lesbian, however...

nononono...the point was that christian can contain all of these sub-groups and
more in the same way that gay/lesbian can. i was trying to draw a parallel
between the way in which, although the general catagory of 'christian' and
'gay/lesbian' doesn't say diddly about what you may find in the racks, but
it points toward 'word of mouth' bands that joe public in general wouldn't know
of, can be publicised by the respective media...

i think my english needs to be worked on much :):) i guess that's part of the
problem :):)

i'm sure we're on the same side here...anti-categorisation...i don't disagree
with anything you've said, but i was trying to look at the other side of the
arguement in as much as g/l isn't the only catagory which is formed by the
artists (be they classical, jazz, rap, spoon players or whatever) personal lives
and that it can be a benefit as well as an affront...

*smiles*
i think that makes sense :):)

even though i think i've wandered from the original starting point a little...
not to worry, eh??

@}--,--'---


  neily :)            indigogirlsjellyfishdeaconblueedenburningtracychapmanaimee
   41 mountside        mannbeatlesbuddyhollydannywilsonbillyjoelshawncolvinmaria
    guildford           mckeefairgroundattractioneverlybrothersdelamitribandomd
     @}--,--'---         royorbisonjuliemillerjamroxettecarolekingandmanymore...
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date:         mon, 2 oct 1995 17:42:22 -0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              rebecca gaukroger <gaukroge@students.uiuc.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         rebecca gaukroger <gaukroge@students.uiuc.edu>
subject:      goldmine

dear all,
        someone, or some people, now i come to think of it, have
mentioned 'goldmine' in a couple of recent posts.  i assume that it's the
u.s. equivalent of 'record collector', is it?  could someone let a brit
quite out of her depth in the u.s. know?!  is it a subscription-only
magazine (if so is there an address?) or should i be able to get it in
stores?  i'd really like to get some early ig vinyl stuff (if my measly
student grant will stretch to it :) ) while i'm over here.

        thanks y'all,

                rebecca.
p.s. sorry if this is complete waffle - i'm suffering from severe lack of
sleep syndrome...

     *****************************************************************

     "a dreamer is one who can only find his way by moonlight, and his
     punishment is that he sees the dawn before the rest of the world"
                                                        oscar wilde
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date:         mon, 2 oct 1995 18:00:02 -0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              jamie suthard <suthardj@southwestern.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         jamie suthard <suthardj@southwestern.edu>
subject:      re: howdy y'all
x-to:         mr neil hunt <ph21nh@ph.surrey.ac.uk>
in-reply-to:  <6688.199510022238@ph.surrey.ac.uk>

hey...this is jamie, and today is my first day of this list adventure.
so far, i've had many letters filling up my mailbox, which is good!  i
think i like it here...i'm still a bit confuzzled and overwhelmed, but
i'm sure i'll get the hang of it.

i'm an
indigomelissaetheridgetracychapmandisappearfearalanismorissette
girlsinthenosemelissaferrickjoanosborneanidifrancokdlangshawn
colvinsarahmaclachlanroyorbisonotisreding...fan.
i'm a texan and an english major/philosophy minor that writes poetry
among other things.  i pride my self on being open minded...and if sugar
is out there among the confuzzlement...please respond!
js/soulmate
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date:         mon, 2 oct 1995 18:05:58 -0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              horhay <gtuft@niu.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         horhay <gtuft@niu.edu>
subject:      stuff?

hey all you cool little fonzies...

i was sufring the good ol web today and fornd all sorts of goo ig stuff.
anyway...

the disc-o-graphie section of the ig main page listed a live al-bu-men that
ig did with the alleman bros.

anyone have any info on that?  or...
a al-bu-men called(and i quote):
indigo girls live in san francisco

info?  anyone?  does it exist?  who's got it?  can i get it?  where's my hat?

the end.

horhay
gtuft@niu.edu
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date:         mon, 2 oct 1995 18:33:42 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              catherine paden <capaden@vaxsar.vassar.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         catherine paden <capaden@vaxsar.vassar.edu>
subject:      re: segregation / "women's music"
x-to:         mts5@aber.ac.uk

"what were you doing in the gay section of hmv (or wherever)", i might have
a job explaining to them that it was the music that i was after.

ummm...i know that this is off the subject, but why explain? isn't it their
problem if they're worried about what section of a music store you were in?

>
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date:         mon, 2 oct 1995 16:19:05 -0700
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              laurie higgins <stompbox@ix.netcom.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         laurie higgins <stompbox@ix.netcom.com>
subject:      re: a real live thread

you wrote:
>
>debbie:  i just joined the list as well and find it a bit narrow
>minded...amy and emily are supposed to be the goddesses of open
minded-ness
>what are ppl on the list doing when they imply that because i don't
have
>any actual cds (they're all copies of friends tapes) and i've only
been
>to two concerts and i'm not gonna buy that expensive gold plated
albulm
>thing...does it mean i'm not an ultimate fan?????   i love amy and
emily!!
>please respond!
>
............um, the post about " you know you are a fan if..." was an
attempt (successful in my opinon) to be.....humorous.  everybody put
your feelings back inside....golly wally...
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date:         mon, 2 oct 1995 16:22:49 -0700
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              laurie higgins <stompbox@ix.netcom.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         laurie higgins <stompbox@ix.netcom.com>
subject:      re: howdy y'all

you wrote:


>i'm an
>indigomelissaetheridgetracychapmandisappearfearalanismorissette
>girlsinthenosemelissaferrickjoanosborneanidifrancokdlangshawn
>colvinsarahmaclachlanroyorbisonotisreding...fan.

........hey, you left viva la diva, mary fortune express, ellen james
society, kristen hall and lord only know's who else off that list..:)
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date:         mon, 2 oct 1995 18:24:46 -0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              jamie suthard <suthardj@southwestern.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         jamie suthard <suthardj@southwestern.edu>
subject:      re: segregation / "women's music"
x-to:         catherine paden <capaden@vaxsar.vassar.edu>
in-reply-to:  <01hvz3horo2a00iqvd@vaxsar.vassar.edu>

high fives there!!!!!
js
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date:         mon, 2 oct 1995 18:30:59 -0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              jamie suthard <suthardj@southwestern.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         jamie suthard <suthardj@southwestern.edu>
subject:      re: a real live thread
x-to:         laurie higgins <stompbox@ix.netcom.com>
in-reply-to:  <199510022319.qaa10343@ix9.ix.netcom.com>

my emotions are tucked away...actually i liked the list.
js
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date:         mon, 2 oct 1995 18:37:55 -0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              jamie suthard <suthardj@southwestern.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         jamie suthard <suthardj@southwestern.edu>
subject:      re: howdy y'all
x-to:         laurie higgins <stompbox@ix.netcom.com>
in-reply-to:  <199510022322.qaa11215@ix9.ix.netcom.com>

i don't know those other ones laurie...
give me a clue!
js
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date:         mon, 2 oct 1995 19:41:11 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              sarah martin <smartin@mail.cc.trincoll.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         sarah martin <smartin@mail.cc.trincoll.edu>
subject:      re: a real live thread
x-to:         debbie <st000051@brownvm.brown.edu>
in-reply-to:  <199510021933.paa03012@netspace.org>

  well put debbie.

  :)
      sarah
=========================================================================
date:         mon, 2 oct 1995 19:45:31 edt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              lorinda wright <lw01@lehigh.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         lorinda wright <lw01@lehigh.edu>
subject:      re: a hearty howdie
x-to:         horhay <gtuft@niu.edu>

hey hey horhay, you wrote:

>heeeeey yoooou guuuuuuuuysss!
>(that's how the electric company began.  does anyone remember that show?)

oooh! oooh! oooh! yeah, i remember. :)

>ps.  i am kindly accepting all offers of copies of any ig bootleg.
>gimmiegimmiegimmie.
>i ain't got @#!^ and i need some.
>
well, to quote a recently posted post, "i may live to regret this, but" after
my shpiel about being nice to newbies, i'm going to put my boots, where my
mouth is...so to speak. an extremely, wonderfully, exceptionally generous
person by the name of kristi markus was kind enough to start my boot
collection when i had none. so i'm going to do the same for some of you out
there in ig land. if you want 'em, and you don't have 'em, i have a few, and
i'm more than willing to share, so email me _privately_ and we'll work
something out. also, anyone in for another round of trading, just lemme know.
i actually have _quite_ a few, and i'm always looking to expand. :)

folkisgruven,
lorindigo


lorinda wright           "learn to pretend there's more than love that
lw01@lehigh.edu           matters. -e.s.
lehigh university
bethlehem, pa
                         "a ghost of comfort, angel's breath to keep this
                          life inside my chest." -a.r.
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date:         mon, 2 oct 1995 19:52:30 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              sarah martin <smartin@mail.cc.trincoll.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         sarah martin <smartin@mail.cc.trincoll.edu>
subject:      re: hey
in-reply-to:  <pine.sol.3.91.951002194030.524a-100000@shakti>

hi

i just got on this list today and i am psyched. my name is sarah, i am a
sophmore at trinity college... possible english major.....rugby, hoops
,softball fanatic. love the girls, gabby, melissa,kd, ferron, ani, you
know... i like talking over the net because no one can make fun of my
massachusetts accent. right ?
cool as a rule
sarah
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date:         mon, 2 oct 1995 20:08:13 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              debbie o'donoghue <doobie@student.umass.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         debbie o'donoghue <doobie@student.umass.edu>
subject:      re: a real live thread[d
in-reply-to:  <pine.sol.3.91.951002194030.524a-100000@shakti>

greetings all!

i just called my cable company to ask about getting disney channel for october
and they informed me it would cost me $19.95 for the techician to come to
my house to set up my cable box or something like that and $10.95 for the
channel itself.  now, being out of work on disability and having no money
to my name i decided to not order the channel link up (boo hoo!!!!).

so i guess my question is, if someone who already has this channel is willing
to tape it an extra time for me and i will send a tape or money for a good
copy please email me privately.  i just cant stomach the fact that the price
of this hookup is so much, and i really need to save my pennies to buy
1200 curfews, and watershed.  if someone, some kind soul is willing to
do this, i will be eternally greatful.  the only thing of worth i have to
offer in  return or for trade/payment are a few copies/reprints of some
excellent pictures of the girls i took from the photographers pit at
the newport folk festival this year.  whoever makes me an offer, we can
negotiate the details as we go along.

thanks to everyone for putting up with this post.  take care!

8 more days!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

-deb
doobie@student.umass.edu

o0e sjeiju
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date:         mon, 2 oct 1995 20:53:18 edt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              debbie <st000051@brownvm.brown.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         debbie <st000051@brownvm.brown.edu>
subject:      re: a real live thread
x-to:         lorinda wright <lw01@lehigh.edu>
in-reply-to:  message of mon, 2 oct 1995 16:37:38 edt from <lw01@lehigh.edu>

on mon, 2 oct 1995 16:37:38 edt lorinda wright said:
>debbie wrote:
>
>>just because not all of us have been fortunate enough to obtain _all_ their
>>old material doesn't mean we're not all real fans.  it just makes you folks
>>on the list just as stuck up as everyone on every other list.
>
>whoa! hold on there! calm down! :)
>
>i don't mean to start any flames here, but i feel the need to defend my
>favorite (only) list. i've been on this list since early last spring, and i
>have to say that i can't remember the last time i had so much fun, or met so
>many wonderful people. (yes, that's all of you, now smile:) this list is
>extremely nice, and flame-free, and kind to newcomers. (imho) i don't think
>anyone here looks down their nose at new ig fans, or newbies on the list. most
>of the ig fans i know have only been ig fans for a year or so, and my attitude
>toward them is "here, lemme show you this album, lemme play you this song, and
>bring some blank tape with you next time so i can copy stuff for you." in
>other words, i'm thrilled that they too love my favorite band, and i want to
>share the wealth. my attitude toward newbies on the list is the same, whether
>they be new ig fans or old, and i'd venture a guess that the majority of the
>rest of the list feels the same way. if you got the wrong impression of us,
>i'm _really_ sorry, cuz i happen to think we're a pretty cool group of folks.
>after all, look who our heroes are. i think it's safe to say that we all think
>pretty highly of how amy and emily live their lives. they are certainly not
>"stuck up" and i would like to think that neither are we. in other words, give
>us a chance! we're not trying to be exclusive or anything, and you're not a
>"phony ig-fan" in our eyes. all you have to do is love their music. and you
>do. and we do. so that's all that matters. right?
>
>folkisgruven,
>lorindigo
>

thank you thank you thank you!  thanks to everyone who has written back
to my post... and i _really_ didn't want to cause such an uproar, but i
guess i reacted a bit strongly.  i've been on other lists where i've
felt like i had to prove that i was a "real" fan, and i just lashed out
at you guys because of that one post... sorry to have assumed it was all
of you, and sorry to mary, who posted it, for reacting so harshly to her
attempt at humor.

i'm glad to be hearing from so many of you - thanks again.

sorry for quoting just about the whole message in here... i hate it when
people do that too, but... welll.... i couldn't decide which parts to cut
>
later,
debbie
toadstool@brown.edu
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date:         mon, 2 oct 1995 21:02:22 edt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              debbie <st000051@brownvm.brown.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         debbie <st000051@brownvm.brown.edu>
subject:      bootleg of brown u. show, anyone?

hi there

yeah, it's me again, who caused the big stir...  (sorry again)

i've got a question for all you friendly indigo folk though:

does anyone have a bootleg of the show they did at brown univ., april 20,
1995?  i'd kill for it (well, not literally) - but i dont' have anything
to trade unless you like toad the wet sprocket (i've got enough of that to
go around!).

i'll love you forever if you've got a tape of that show...  that one in
particular has sentimental value to me - a _lot_ of it.  thanks to anyone
who has any info!

debbie
toadstool@brown.edu
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date:         mon, 2 oct 1995 21:42:38 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              tracyb1101@aol.com
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         tracyb1101@aol.com
subject:      re: more complicated girls

in a message dated 95-09-28 21:13:53 edt, you write:

>ummm i have tried and tried (i was off the list for a long time) to find
>out what the heck complicated girls is and no one answers my
>messages....can someone please tell me what this is...and while you are
>at it...what 1200 curfew...i think i have figured that it is the new
>release but i am not sure.  i am sick so sorry for being so ....slow.

hey there!  :)
did you get an answer to this one?  i don't read or write my mail very fast,
but i'm here!  ;)  anyway, complicated girls is a boot cd (it's at my office,
so i can't go into much detail about what's on it, except that it's live and
it includes midnight train, and bury my heart at wounded knee), and 1200
curfews is a legitimate live double cd set (i think) that will be released in
the next couple of weeks.
later,
tracy   :)
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date:         mon, 2 oct 1995 21:58:57 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              "jean m. bardin" <jmbardin@mailbox.syr.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "jean m. bardin" <jmbardin@mailbox.syr.edu>
subject:      re: a real live thread
x-to:         mary clark <mryclrk@eden.rutgers.edu>
in-reply-to:  <cmm-ru.1.5.812659510.mryclrk@er6.rutgers.edu>

        i had to choose between studying or trying to come up with my own
list of "you know you're an indigo girls fan if..." list.  you can see what
won out.  here they are:

1)  you've ever said to yourself, "i can always get a college education,
but who knows when ig will be back in my area."
2) you've ever shouted at someone, "*no*--amy is *not* the blonde!."
3) you purchased a guitar just to learn ig songs.
4) you've turned your stereo up really loud to try and figure out what
they're saying in the background. (ex. "touch me fall")
5) you have backup copies of tapes/videos because you're afraid they
might wear out.
6) the mention of the name cooper makes you cranky.
7) you've started a conversation with, "when i move to atlanta.."
8) you don't like baseball, but you have an atlanta braves hat, and you
wear it to ig concerts.
9) you've watched an entire atlanta braves game on the off chance that
you might see emily in the stands.
10) you like "land of canaan" better on ig than on sf, just because amy
says "oh oh baby" near the end, instead of "sweetheart" twice.
11) you never really thought about god until you saw amy as jesus.
12) over half of your t-shirt collection is ig related.
13) you have a daemon records t-shirt.
14) you've caught yourself doodling "amy/emily loves (insert your name
here)."
15) you got a tattoo because amy has one.
16) you've bought an album you never heard before, just because you heard
that amy/emily said she liked them.

        ok, ok i'll stop!  but yes i probably could go on forever.

-jean
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date:         mon, 2 oct 1995 21:20:12 -0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              jamie suthard <suthardj@southwestern.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         jamie suthard <suthardj@southwestern.edu>
subject:      re: a real live thread
x-to:         "jean m. bardin" <jmbardin@mailbox.syr.edu>
in-reply-to:  <pine.sol.3.91.951002213536.15309a-100000@forbin.syr.edu>

jean:

yeah...okay.
js
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date:         mon, 2 oct 1995 22:31:55 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              sarah martin <smartin@mail.cc.trincoll.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         sarah martin <smartin@mail.cc.trincoll.edu>
subject:      re: a real live thread
x-to:         "jean m. bardin" <jmbardin@mailbox.syr.edu>
in-reply-to:  <pine.sol.3.91.951002213536.15309a-100000@forbin.syr.edu>

jean that is the best!! i cant stop laughing!
sarah
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date:         mon, 2 oct 1995 21:43:22 -0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              stephanie parsons <parsonss@it.uwp.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         stephanie parsons <parsonss@it.uwp.edu>
subject:      re: a real live thread
x-to:         "jean m. bardin" <jmbardin@mailbox.syr.edu>
in-reply-to:  <pine.sol.3.91.951002213536.15309a-100000@forbin.syr.edu>

no one cares im sure...but this list was so funny i thought i'd share the
things i do....blah blah blah....ill get on with it (:

on mon, 2 oct 1995, jean m. bardin wrote:
>
> 1)  you've ever said to yourself, "i can always get a college education,
> but who knows when ig will be back in my area."
traveled to indiana and to detriot...a total of 20-30 some driving hours
and i dont even have a car all within one week...a school week.

> 2) you've ever shouted at someone, "*no*--amy is *not* the blonde!."
all the time!!!
> 3) you purchased a guitar just to learn ig songs.
yes...two actually.

> 5) you have backup copies of tapes/videos because you're afraid they
> might wear out.
backup copies of my bootlegs even!!!

> 7) you've started a conversation with, "when i move to atlanta.."
moving next school year.
=========================================================================
date:         mon, 2 oct 1995 22:10:08 edt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              mr rodney s wicker <rucr57a@prodigy.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         mr rodney s wicker <rucr57a@prodigy.com>
subject:      new ig mailer...

i just got the new fan club mailer today!!!  here are some
highlights:

1200 curfews features 26 live and one new studio track (bury my heart.
..written by buffy st. marie).
amy said she knows about all of the boots, so she worked hard to find
tracks "you haven't heard."
they promise no digital "fixing" of the live tracks.

watershed will feature "every video amy and emily ever made as well
as extensive film footage taken by family and friends along the way."
emily says she loves the video and signs off by saying "as i take my
break, i remember your support with much thanks."

they promise that the newsletter will be released quarterly (spring,
summer, fall, winter) during the break and beyond and that they will
try to include more information.  they mentioned that the fan club
has an on-line address:  igfan@rcam.com

here is the song order on the cd:

disc one
1. joking 2. least complicated 3. thin line 4. river 5. strange fire
6. power of two 7. pushing the needle...8. virginia woolf 9. jonas
and ezekial 10. tangled up in blue 11. world falls 12. bury my heart
at wounded knee (live version) 13. ghost 14. dead man's hill

disc two
1. i don't wanna know 2. galileo 3. down by the river 4. love's
recovery 5. land of canaan 6. mystery 7. this train (revised) 8. back
together again 9. language or the kiss 10. chickenman 11. midnight
train to georgia 12. closer to fine 13. bury my heart...(studio
version)

enjoy!!!!!!
=========================================================================
date:         mon, 2 oct 1995 22:35:30 -0800
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              lisa loutzenheiser <lloutze@telis.org>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         lisa loutzenheiser <lloutze@telis.org>
subject:      re: rdr/hidden water

hmm, there has been lots of overt (and not so) types of commercialization
on this list lots of it much more noxious than rdr orhidden wate. and yes
rdr makes money, (and hopefully one day so will hidden water), but for
those of us who do not have the resources of a city with good music stores
around, the information on what is available and where is as much a service
as a spam.

do i miss the old list, yep sure do, but thems the breaks.  i wish the
world were different and all good music was free, and musicians were paid
just because but that is not going to happen either.

lisa

*********
lisa w. loutzenheiser lloutze@telis.org/lwloutze@students.wisc.edu

i went to the dr. of philosophy    with a poster of rasputin and a beard
down to his knees
he never did marry or see a b-grade movie   he graded my performance
said he could see through me.. .  .  indigo girls
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date:         mon, 2 oct 1995 23:22:03 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              betsy macmillan <macmilla@winnie.fit.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         betsy macmillan <macmilla@winnie.fit.edu>
subject:      galileo lyrics

hey,
        i was just listening to galileo (which has my favorite guitar
solo in it btw), and although i've heard it many times before, one
sentence makes me feel so much a part of life.  "some other fool across
the ocean years ago must have crashed his little airplane".  not to say
that "he" is god, but that a woman is singing about the possibility of
her soul being male at one time.  it really emphisizes to me how
important our heart and mind are as a person, not a gender (or whatever
other outward appearance we might have).  i think this song would have
even more meaning for me if i believed in reincarnation, oh well.

any thoughts????

     ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
       betsy                     "if the world is night
                                  shine my life   \|/
       macmilla@fit.edu           like a light"  -> <-
                                - emily saliers   /|\
     ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
=========================================================================
date:         mon, 2 oct 1995 23:48:13 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              barney@purple.dino.com
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         barney@purple.dino.com

this is certainly not meant as a flame, but i was just curious why julie
spends so much time posting to this list when she's not even subscribed to
it anymore?  seems like she should resubscribe and just jump right back in!
regardless, welcome back!

barney
=========================================================================
date:         mon, 2 oct 1995 22:05:43 -0700
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              carrie christine brogoitti <carrieb@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         carrie christine brogoitti <carrieb@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
subject:      re: jcs video
x-to:         pst4@aol.com
in-reply-to:  <951001225631_70041856@mail04.mail.aol.com>

on sun, 1 oct 1995, sue orsillo wrote:

> i thought i read a while back that there was going to be a video of igs jcs
> performance in seattle.  i don't remember if it was to be a commercial copy
> or a bootleg?  am i fabricating this memory??
>
wow, finally a topic i feel i at least know a little bit about:)! when i
was at the seattle show, i saw a guy videotaping. he almost looked like a
cast member. when i was backstage i saw him again and asked him if he
was really taping, and if it would be available to the public. he said
that it was a documentary on the whole production, it would be available
to anyone, and to check on the internet in about a year. unfortunatly
(and fortunatly!)that was when amy came out and i lost my train of
thought, he went to talk to her, and that was all the info i got.
hope it helped!

*carrie*
=========================================================================
date:         tue, 3 oct 1995 00:06:30 -0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              alycia n broz <anb038@nwu.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         alycia n broz <anb038@nwu.edu>
subject:      re: a real live thread

okay, it's midnight, i have an 8:10am class, but i had to join in the fun.  here it goes.  you know you're an ig fan when:

(1) when the even the sound of "ind" comes out of your mouth your friends just roll their eyes at you.

(2) you only can play ig songs on your guitar.

(3) you have the moth from the back of the maroon so concert t-shirt tattooed on your back.

(4) you use quotes from amy as responses to cases you have to read in law school.

(5) your friends are seriously questioning if you should see a psychiatrist about an obsessive/compulsive issue stemming from your talk about the ig.

(6)  you quote "love's recovery" on a law school entrance essay to emory university.

okay, that's all. . .
=========================================================================
date:         tue, 3 oct 1995 00:13:40 -0700
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              pamela shaw <sparkle@primenet.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         pamela shaw <sparkle@primenet.com>
subject:      re: a real live thread
x-to:         jamie suthard <suthardj@southwestern.edu>

oh my!! i usually dont respond to arguments such as these (debbie and john
getting anrry about the "real fan" thing).  it's supposed to be light
hearted... tounge in cheek... making fun of obsessiveness.  its not called-
you are only an ig fan when... it is a humorous thread where we can all
examine our obsessive behavior, and laugh at it.

lighten up folx... no one accused you of not being an ig fan.  read, and
relax.  and welcome all newcomers...

peace...
pamela
=========================================================================
date:         tue, 3 oct 1995 09:46:18 +0100
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              mr neil hunt <ph21nh@ph.surrey.ac.uk>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         mr neil hunt <ph21nh@ph.surrey.ac.uk>
subject:      re: galileo lyrics

hmmm...

"some other fool across the ocean years ago must have crashed his little
airplane"

that's because...to rip off a mary chapin carpenter quote...
girls can't fly planes :):)

oh how i wish i could be sure that everyone shares my irony...

@}--,--'---

  neily :)            indigogirlsjellyfishdeaconblueedenburningtracychapmanaimee
   41 mountside        mannbeatlesbuddyhollydannywilsonbillyjoelshawncolvinmaria
    guildford           mckeefairgroundattractioneverlybrothersdelamitribandomd
     @}--,--'---         royorbisonjuliemillerjamroxettecarolekingandmanymore...
=========================================================================
date:         tue, 3 oct 1995 09:52:07 +0100
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              mr neil hunt <ph21nh@ph.surrey.ac.uk>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         mr neil hunt <ph21nh@ph.surrey.ac.uk>
subject:      re: money making off of the igs...
x-to:         indigo@clark.net

>> like, i wouldn't sell my car for $100 when i could get $400 would i??
>
>i'd hope you would if you knew it was only worth $100 and you were
>selling it to a friend.

but likewise, if i knew that $400 was a resonable price i wouldn't be doing
myself justice if i let it go for $100. i think worth is an important thing..
(not that i would ever buy or sell a car off a friend, but that's another
issue entirely...)

>it's not a matter of making money off of ig or filled
>mailboxes; it's whether you're here in the spirit of sharing ig music or
>making $s (or both).

i don't think that by holding auctions anyone misses out on indigo girls
music...after all, it's a lot easier and cheaper to trade tapes of the
things...

@}--,--'---

  neily :)            indigogirlsjellyfishdeaconblueedenburningtracychapmanaimee
   41 mountside        mannbeatlesbuddyhollydannywilsonbillyjoelshawncolvinmaria
    guildford           mckeefairgroundattractioneverlybrothersdelamitribandomd
     @}--,--'---         royorbisonjuliemillerjamroxettecarolekingandmanymore...
=========================================================================
date:         tue, 3 oct 1995 06:10:05 -0400
reply-to:     abdul saeed khan ghori <ghori@lawyer.infolink.net.pk>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         abdul saeed khan ghori <ghori@lawyer.infolink.net.pk>
subject:      request for literature etc.
x-cc:         helwa-l@psuvm.bitnet

my dear madame,
        please oblige me by sending by e-mail,preferably by
fax(no.9221-5684156) your literature and names & e-mail addresses
of girls/women for exchange of information. it is required for
compilation of internet literature. pl. send any other data etc.
for e-mail communication. thanks.
        sincerely yours:ghori.
=========================================================================
date:         tue, 3 oct 1995 07:30:51 edt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              ms janet m vansyckel <mglz19b@prodigy.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         ms janet m vansyckel <mglz19b@prodigy.com>
subject:      re: womens music

>  the point is...separation is separation and it's wrong.

i do see your point. but,  on the other hand it depends on how the
music is separated. if music stores have separate sections for womens,
gay and lesbian or even folk music that's not necessarily a bad thing.
personally it would make it easier for me when i am tying to *find* an
artist <grin>

i feel the real point here is not that music is separated, but that it
is separated and also not *advertised* being kept in the dark corners
of the store. advertising and awareness is the key here.

- jan
=========================================================================
date:         tue, 3 oct 1995 08:10:00 edt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              sheri stanley <sstanley@infinet.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         sheri stanley <sstanley@infinet.com>
subject:      re: uh-oh oj

well, depending on the verdict today, there could be a whole new meaning to
the words...

"la proved too much for the man..."


                                     :)

-sheri
to take the world into one's arms and to act toward it
in a soul-filled and soul-strengthening manner is a
powerful act of wildish spirit.
       -clarissa pinkola estes/women who run with the wolves
=========================================================================
date:         tue, 3 oct 1995 08:48:54 -0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              jamie suthard <suthardj@southwestern.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         jamie suthard <suthardj@southwestern.edu>
subject:      re: galileo lyrics
x-to:         betsy macmillan <macmilla@winnie.fit.edu>
in-reply-to:  <pine.sun.3.91.951002231146.28276b-100000@winnie.fit.edu>

i have always loved that particular lyric, because it gives a sense of
freedom and openess to the past and future...js

on mon, 2 oct 1995, betsy macmillan wrote:

> hey,
>         i was just listening to galileo (which has my favorite guitar
> solo in it btw), and although i've heard it many times before, one
> sentence makes me feel so much a part of life.  "some other fool across
> the ocean years ago must have crashed his little airplane".  not to say
> that "he" is god, but that a woman is singing about the possibility of
> her soul being male at one time.  it really emphisizes to me how
> important our heart and mind are as a person, not a gender (or whatever
> other outward appearance we might have).  i think this song would have
> even more meaning for me if i believed in reincarnation, oh well.
>
> any thoughts????
>
>      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>        betsy                     "if the world is night
>                                   shine my life   \|/
>        macmilla@fit.edu           like a light"  -> <-
>                                 - emily saliers   /|\
>      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
=========================================================================
date:         tue, 3 oct 1995 10:27:57 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              shampine@ll.mit.edu
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         shampine@ll.mit.edu
subject:      if you don't live what you sing about,
              your mirror is gonna find out

from mat

>incidentally, not everyone who wouldn't want to be seen in a gay/lesbian
>section is narrow minded, or indeed would throw away their record if they
>found a gay lyric in it.   homophobia doesn't stop at harassing gays.   it
>also involves "freezing out" people who show the slightest sign of going
>"that way".   when i was at school, bullies would use gay insults
>interchangeably with words like "spastic".   sure, i like a lot of the music
>that would be found in such a section, and wouldn't mind spending my money
>on it, but when someone next day says, "what were you doing in the gay
>section of hmv (or wherever)", i might have a job explaining to them that it
>was the music that i was after.

all this shit from mat lately has really made me sick...and it started
me thinking of a quasi-indigo experience that i had with my friend bert
this weekend.  bear with me, folks...

my partner and i were in jersey this weekend for a wedding so we took the
opportunity to visit with our old friend bert lefkovic.  friday night we
go out to a local cranford hot spot...to throw back some beers and play an
entire cd of ig songs of the jukebox.

there happened to be a bunch of guys that bert had gone all the way through
grammar school and high school with at this bar and they stop by to chat with
bert "mr. popularity" lefkovic.  anyway, they're all reminiscing about school
and teachers, and this one guy goes off on "that dyke"  teacher he had in fourth
grade...blah,blah,blah...we're rolling our eyes and bert says, "anything you
do is fine with me."  but i just razz the kid a bit, and it goes right over his
head...of course.

so they leave, and we're talking about what just happened.  jackie and i are
like, "this is just one more nice, polite, friendly kid who doesn't mean any
harm and also who doesn't have the slightest idea what a jerk he is (sound like
anyone you know, mat?) and we fight this battle every day...bert, this is your
battle."  so bert says he's going over to chat with some other people to spare
us from being subjected to any more touching reunions.

well, he actually goes over to this kid and explains to him that jackie and i
are lesbians and that we were all really offended by his comments.

when i asked bert what made him different from these guys that he grew up with,
he tells me the indigo girls and all of the people and experiences surrounding
the music.

taking a public stand against the culture you were brought up to conform to
can be one of the toughest things you can ever do and the fact that bert
was willing to take a stand and do the right thing when he had very little
to gain from it meant an awful lot to me and constitutes the single most powerful
experience that has come out of my being an ig fan.

more from mat

>ok, so i'm sorry that (hypothetically) i haven't shown the courage that the
>said artists and many of the people on this page showed when they came out
>in the first place.   but there should be no need to get hassled for liking

apology not accepted.

lauree shampine
shampine@ll.mit.edu
=========================================================================
date:         tue, 3 oct 1995 10:49:00 edt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              sheri stanley <sstanley@infinet.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         sheri stanley <sstanley@infinet.com>
subject:      re: a real live thread
x-to:         debbie <st000051@brownvm.brown.edu>

  it just makes you folks on the list just as stuck up as everyone on every
other list.
>
>
>please, y'all, don't take this as some kind of personal attack on all of you -

debbie..

debbie..

you've just gotten off on the wrong foot, here. i didn't take your note
personally because, frankly, i don't care..but i could see where someone
would be confused about being asked not to take your note as a personal
attack to the group right after you called the group "stuck up."

let's start over...

i'm sheri and until recently was pretty much a lurker on this particular ig
list...but i was very active years ago on a prodigy ig list (besides
deb@clark.net)..anyone else here from that list? this is just a fun group
and you usually have to take everything in that context. re: the "you're an
ig fan when..." note...that was hysterical <imho>, and was so obviously a
joke that i think it would be absurd for anyone to take offense at it.

anyway..welcome..just hang around for awhile..you'll get to like us :)

-sheri
to take the world into one's arms and to act toward it
in a soul-filled and soul-strengthening manner is a
powerful act of wildish spirit.
       -clarissa pinkola estes/women who run with the wolves
=========================================================================
date:         tue, 3 oct 1995 10:56:18 edt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              deborah mizrahi <abw1819@eden.rutgers.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         deborah mizrahi <abw1819@eden.rutgers.edu>
subject:      re: a real live thread
x-to:         indigo girls mailing list
              <indigo-girls%netspace.org@rutvm1.rutgers.edu>,
              jamie suthard <suthardj@southwestern.edu>
in-reply-to:  your message of mon, 2 oct 1995 15:25:47 -0500

jamie,
don't worry about assholes who say that you're not a true fan.  you don't
need that expensive gold-plated album in order to understand their message
or to love them just as much.  i guess those people never really listened to
what they are trying to say in their music.  just look at them and say, "you
have to learn to respect what you don't understand."--amy ray
see ya!
dm
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date:         tue, 3 oct 1995 11:15:47 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              chris mcmahon <libcm@emory.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         chris mcmahon <libcm@emory.edu>
subject:      women's music, new year's, net.promotion (hw), bds, m&k, spam
in-reply-to:  <9510030419.aa29466@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu>

> ok..thanks for the correction. the point is...separation is separation and
> it's wrong.
> -sheri

     wow i feel old. ok, a little history- women's music, or women's
music, is (or maybe was...) a recognized genre, like blues or reggae. in
the early 70s, the prevailing feminist ideology dictated segregation as a
way of preserving identity, fostering community, and gaining recognition
for women's issues. thus the rise of things like women's health clinics,
women's support groups, women's legal services, etc. etc. along with
these sorts of institutions, women's music also became institutionalized.
      also keep in mind that the record industry in the 70s was a
monolithic male-dominated business, the music-buying public was mostly
pre-adolescent males, and the charts were dominated by bands like kiss,
boston, queen, the bay city rollers, and people like laura nyro, suzi
quatro, and joan armatrading used the "women's music" tag in order to
market themselves to a segment of the population that was pretty much
ignored throughout the 70s. it was only the rise of indie labels, punk,
and the success of "crossover" artists like ummm, i'm reaching here,
suzanne vega, bonnie raitt, etc. that engendered the huge variety of music
that's available today.
    btw, to their credit, ig never really bought into the "women's music"
ethic- they envisioned themselves as mainstream artists from the first.
------------------------------------------
> >as for rainy day records, yeah, they're a corporate entity.  they are
> >commercial.  they have been selling cds on the net for 4 years, and they
> >have been providing a lot of home-grown artists with an outlet to reach fans
> >worldwide, by selling things on the net.
>
> *and* they've been great to their net fans, with the new year's eve party,
> generous return and price-matching policies, etc.

btw, perry told me that the new year's thing is going to happen again
this year, but he's working on getting a *substantially* larger venue.
he's planning a huge affair this time around. start making those plans...
    but if all goes well, i'll be playing in colorado that night...
-----------------------------------

> date:    mon, 2 oct 1995 09:19:33 -0700
> from:    julie meloni <dmon@hidwater.com>

> it's like i told chris mcmahon (of millan & kenzie,
> http://www.hidwater.com/rdr/milkenzie/ is that good enough for now, chris?
> :) ) when their access stats dropped during one period of time -- we can
> only do so much until the fans themselves tell their friends and so on.
> caroline aiken, the big geek (and i love her dearly) had us make her a
> bumper sticker with her url on it, to give to folks at her shows -- and her
> site is our most successful site for an individual.

yep. for all you incipient net.promoters out there, i was discussing this
with a guy on the folkvenu list the other day: if you're going to promote
something on the net, use as many real-world items as you can. caroline's
bumper stickers and a web site; rdr's 800 number; urls on mailer
postcards. business cards. real and virtual stuff together is more
effective than either alone.
    btw, we had to mail the august/september schedule on one card, and
i'm not sure oct. is out yet, so the m&k web page has been kinda lonely
recently. please visit!

> represent, we thank you.  those of you who leave messages for the artists in
> their drop-boxes -- they do get them, they do read them, and they do
> appreciate them.   the ones with email even try to write back.  and for the

yes yes yes indeed...
--------------------------------
     and speaking of michelle malone (somebody just did, but i deleted
it) i hear the new band de soleil record is going very well. they're
doing it at triclops studios in atlanta, one of the finest studios in the
country, with david harris (follow for now, dionne farris) producing.
there's big things coming for bds.
     and m&k will have our live cassette-only release out literally any
day now. it's edited, it's mastered, all we've gotta do is the artwork
and the copies. also btw, at this point it looks like there's gonna be
500 of them and no more again, ever. it was recorded at smith's olde bar
in atlanta back in july.
     and here's the schedule for the forseeable future:

                            tour schedule:

oct. 4  wed. nashville tn/ exit/in- open for fleming & john!
oct. 5  thu. tallahassee fl/ yianni's        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
oct. 6  fri. columbus ga/ uptown festival (the loft)
oct. 10 tue. atlanta ga/ red light cafe- all ages! 8:00 pm!
                                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
a note here: we did this once before, for a mailing-list only concert. we
bring in our own sound and basically take over the red light on an
off-night. we start early so that high-school and working people can come.
it's all-ages, but beer, wine, and food are available. and we usually pull
out some new songs and new arrangements, as well. it's a good time, and a
lot more intimate than your average club show.

oct. 12 thu. va. beach va/ the jewish mother
oct. 13 fri. annandale va (dc area)/ main street usa
oct. 19 thu. chapel hill nc/ crescent city music hall
oct. 20 fri. charlotte nc/ the dilworth brewery
oct. 21 sat. columbia sc/ clyde's (in five points)
oct. 26 thu. columbia sc/ clyde's (again)
oct. 27 fri. savannah ga/ the velvet elvis
oct. 28 sat. bowling green ky/ gary's
nov. 3 fri. atlanta ga/ the cotton club- with band de soleil!
nov. 9 thu. tallahassee fl/ yianni's     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
nov. 10 fri. columbus ga/ the loft
nov. 11 sat. st. simons island ga/ sunset cafe
nov. 16 thu. chapel hill nc/ crescent city music hall
nov. 17 fri. annandale va (dc area)/ mailn street usa
dec. 15 fri. columbus ga/ the loft
dec. 16 sat. atlanta ga/ red light cafe (early/all ages)

     -chris, going back to lurk/tour mode...
=========================================================================
date:         tue, 3 oct 1995 10:40:04 -0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              stephanie parsons <parsonss@it.uwp.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         stephanie parsons <parsonss@it.uwp.edu>
subject:      re: request for literature etc.
x-to:         abdul saeed khan ghori <ghori@lawyer.infolink.net.pk>
in-reply-to:  <8@ghori.infolink.net.pk>

huh?

on tue, 3 oct 1995, abdul saeed khan ghori wrote:

> my dear madame,
>         please oblige me by sending by e-mail,preferably by
> fax(no.9221-5684156) your literature and names & e-mail addresses
> of girls/women for exchange of information. it is required for
> compilation of internet literature. pl. send any other data etc.
> for e-mail communication. thanks.
>         sincerely yours:ghori.
>
=========================================================================
date:         tue, 3 oct 1995 10:45:10 -0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              stephanie parsons <parsonss@it.uwp.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         stephanie parsons <parsonss@it.uwp.edu>
subject:      ig on vh1

a little tiny segment of women in rock or something like that on house
blned this morning....showed a ten second clip of melissa saying she
hopes people dont think its wierd when she gets into the music and sweats
all over and the girls said that they wont let anyone stop them, they
just keep on rocking or something like that.  made my morning good though.

also......also....when i was in best buy, i saw an indigo girls
interactive cd....it was called screen saver or something like that but
it said it was an interactive multimedia cd and it said you like....had
to guess which song was playing or something wierd like that.  looked
like a waste of money so i didnt get it.  it did have the picture of them
sitting by the railroad tracks...from that single...shoot...i cant even
think, this paper im writing must be getting to me.....anyways....looked
like a waste but it is still around in case anyone wants to know the
little tiny bit of information that i can supply....off to english (my
teacher is a freak with the oj trial...i bet she brings in a tv so we can
see the verdict!...im just happy the stupid masquerade (sp) is going to
be over soon!

bye all...
stephanie
(pbugg)
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date:         tue, 3 oct 1995 12:12:16 edt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              lorinda wright <lw01@lehigh.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         lorinda wright <lw01@lehigh.edu>
subject:      newsletter!!!!!

yipeeeeee!
newsletter came today! tra la tra la!! i'm such a happy camper now. i loved it
so much i changed my sig. :) well, someone's already posted the highlights,
and i'm sure the rest of you are off reading your own copies of it instead of
this, so i won't bore anyone with any details other than to say that the
original info we got a couple of weeks ago on the track listing of 1200 curfews
was incomplete. there is a _lot_ more great stuff on the album, including
chickenman!! so hopefully we can look forward to a totally kick-ass stream of
consciousness. :) it's gonna be a great one, folks!

i should have a lot more to say. (i always do, don't i?:) but i'm still on
cloud nine from reading the newsletter. so my thoughts are scrambled. oh, one
thing about the galileo lyric. "must have crashed his little airplane."
neily's little piece of humor aside (yes, we know you're kidding, dear:) i'm
thinking a couple of things. first, i don't believe in reincarnation, but i
heard someone say once that some people believe that when you're reincarnated
you alternate gender every other lifetime. last one a boy, now a girl, next
one a boy. (although in another part of the song she refers to her previous
life as "she", so that theory doesn't work.) another thought is that there are
several instances in ig songs where they play kinda fast and loose with
references to gender. in other words, they use a gender reference that's not
necessarily accurate, possibly because it sounds better, (or maybe just to
confuse us.) examples: "it's not the fallen man, it's not the call of time."
and "we were boys on the town, girls in bars." so...who knows what it means.
(well, emily does, but...)

'nuff for now.

folkisgruven,
lorindigo
(new sig. alert:)
iwillnotbecomplacentiwillnotbecomplacentiwillnotbecomplacentiwillnotbecomplac
w                                                                           e
i lorinda wright           "learn to pretend there's more than love that    n
l lw01@lehigh.edu           matters. -e.s.                                  t
l lehigh university                                                         i
n bethlehem, pa                                                             w
o                        "a ghost of comfort, angel's breath to keep this   i
t                         life inside my chest." -a.r.                      l
b                                                                           l
e      "a thousand guitar strings - amy ; two guitar strings - emily        n
c                                                                           o
omplacentiwillnotbecomplacentiwillnotbecomplacentiwillnotbecomplacentiwillnot
=========================================================================
date:         tue, 3 oct 1995 17:25:55 +0100
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              mr neil hunt <ph21nh@ph.surrey.ac.uk>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         mr neil hunt <ph21nh@ph.surrey.ac.uk>
subject:      re: segregation / "women's music"
x-to:         mts5@aber.ac.uk

>
> where does neil hunt shop, may i ask?
>
m&s for undies (original, huh??) sainsbury's for food (i'm very loyal)...

i never said i saw a g/l section (altthough i've lost count of the 'female
vocal'/'male vocal' sections in some places 'specially record fairs...

the point i was making was that similar things happen to people who are
categorised by their private life and not by their music. and i used an
analogy. which i think worked ok.

>
>*naive crap deleted* judgemental?? moi??
>

i don't care if people i know see me in g/l sections. i don't think you
should either. basically an extention of what you're saying is that if you
had a good friend who was openly homosexual you wouldn't associate with them
for fear of other 'friends' freezing you out. think about it...

@}--,--'--


  neily :)            indigogirlsjellyfishdeaconblueedenburningtracychapmanaimee
   41 mountside        mannbeatlesbuddyhollydannywilsonbillyjoelshawncolvinmaria
    guildford           mckeefairgroundattractioneverlybrothersdelamitribandomd
     @}--,--'---         royorbisonjuliemillerjamroxettecarolekingandmanymore...
=========================================================================
date:         tue, 3 oct 1995 12:32:00 edt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              sheri stanley <sstanley@infinet.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         sheri stanley <sstanley@infinet.com>
subject:      re: a real live thread
x-to:         "jean m. bardin" <jmbardin@mailbox.syr.edu>

i love these notes..this one in particular, and i thought i would chime
in...especially since i'm sitting here at my desk during my lunch hour
waiting for the oj verdict :)

>        i had to choose between studying or trying to come up with my own
>list of "you know you're an indigo girls fan if..." list.  you can see what
>won out.  here they are:
>
>1)  you've ever said to yourself, "i can always get a college education,
>but who knows when ig will be back in my area."

ah..i graduated before they hit the scene...but i would've traveled to see
them :)

>2) you've ever shouted at someone, "*no*--amy is *not* the blonde!."
                   oh groan. yes :)

>3) you purchased a guitar just to learn ig songs.
        no, but i did become obsessed with playing, almost exclusively, ig
songs on my steel-string and i        want to write a guitar solo for
emily..possibly to be played on a classical guitar  :)


>4) you've turned your stereo up really loud to try and figure out what
>they're saying in the background. (ex. "touch me fall")

ha ha ha ha ha.....of course!

>5) you have backup copies of tapes/videos because you're afraid they
>might wear out.

no, i just don't play my stuff too much..except the uptown lounge
video..that has the most use.

>6) the mention of the name cooper makes you cranky.

ha ha ha ha ha. poor cooper-she has all these amy-lusting fans to deal with.
btw..i'm an emily luster :)


>7) you've started a conversation with, "when i move to atlanta.."

         ok..i've adopted atlanta as my home town. it really is a beautiful
city.

>8) you don't like baseball, but you have an atlanta braves hat, and you
>wear it to ig concerts.

almost bought a braves cap at stone mountain.


>9) you've watched an entire atlanta braves game on the off chance that
>you might see emily in the stands.

aha! no!..................i watch the lpga for that reason :)


you never really thought about god until you saw amy as jesus.

  hey...who's to say she's not the return of christ? :)

>12) over half of your t-shirt collection is ig related.
              ha ha ha ......true!

>13) you have a daemon records t-shirt.

               not yet

>14) you've caught yourself doodling "amy/emily loves (insert your name
>here)."

um, no...although i've thought about doing it.

> 15) you got a tattoo because amy has one.
            nope.

>16) you've bought an album you never heard before, just because you heard
>that amy/emily said she liked them.

          guilty.
>
>        ok, ok i'll stop!  but yes i probably could go on forever.
>
>-jean
>
>bravo jean!

-sheri
to take the world into one's arms and to act toward it
in a soul-filled and soul-strengthening manner is a
powerful act of wildish spirit.
       -clarissa pinkola estes/women who run with the wolves
=========================================================================
date:         tue, 3 oct 1995 12:47:12 gmt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              wingstar@mulberry.com
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         pat stark <wingstar@mulberry.com>
subject:      play it loud!!

  sure, i like a lot of the music
>that would be found in such a section, and wouldn't mind spending my money
>on it, but when someone next day says, "what were you doing in the gay
>section of hmv (or wherever)", i might have a job explaining to them that it
>was the music that i was after.

let me see if i have this right, its cool to listen to them and be on their
mailing list but because the artist happens to be gay or lesbian, you should
just listen to them in a closet where noone else will know?

hmm.  can't quite follow that line of thinking.  i say play it loud play it
proud!

pat
                        "adding up the total of a love that's true
multiply life by the pover of two."
                                         e.s.
=========================================================================
date:         tue, 3 oct 1995 16:59:34 +0100
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              mr neil hunt <ph21nh@ph.surrey.ac.uk>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         mr neil hunt <ph21nh@ph.surrey.ac.uk>
subject:      re: goldmine
x-to:         gaukroge@students.uiuc.edu

heys :)

(boy i should just stick to working...this is too much a time sink!!)

goldmine is like record collector, but heavily weighted toward adverts...it's
printed like the nme and melody maker and the like...

should be able to find it in record stores (like tower) and newsstands...

i guess...seeing as this is out of my country and all...:):)

@}--,--'--

  neily :)            indigogirlsjellyfishdeaconblueedenburningtracychapmanaimee
   41 mountside        mannbeatlesbuddyhollydannywilsonbillyjoelshawncolvinmaria
    guildford           mckeefairgroundattractioneverlybrothersdelamitribandomd
     @}--,--'---         royorbisonjuliemillerjamroxettecarolekingandmanymore...
=========================================================================
date:         tue, 3 oct 1995 12:58:47 -0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              keller jennifer l <jlk299s@nic.smsu.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         keller jennifer l <jlk299s@nic.smsu.edu>
subject:      lyrics and re: a real live thread

hey everyone!  i have a huge favor to ask: can someone please give me the
lyrics to it won't take long?  my friend has the guitar part down, and it
is my duty to get the lyrics.  e-mail me privately or post them -
whatever, it doesn't matter.
and while i am here...i just wanted to add my $.02 to the arguement over
the "you know you're an ig fan when..." thread.  this list is a friendly
place.  i just subscribed at the end of august and already i feel as if i
know everyone.  we are not a clique in the least.  since i am relatively
new, i cannot comment on "the good ol' days," but i feel that these days
are pretty good.  my advice to all newcomers: just hang around awhile.
if something strikes you in a post and you're too unsure to post
something yourself, e-mail the person privately.  it helps in making
friends.  not once have i seen anyone flamed for simply being a "newbie"
(or for any other reason, for that matter).
ok, i guess that's all i have to say.  just wanted to throw that in
thanks everyone.  :)

jenn
jlk299s@nic.smsu.edu
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date:         tue, 3 oct 1995 19:14:22 +0100
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              mts5@aber.ac.uk
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         matthew joseph smith <mts5@aber.ac.uk>
subject:      re: request for literature etc.

>my dear madame,
>        please oblige me by sending by e-mail,preferably by
>fax(no.9221-5684156) your literature and names & e-mail addresses
>of girls/women for exchange of information. it is required for
>compilation of internet literature. pl. send any other data etc.
>for e-mail communication. thanks.
>        sincerely yours:ghori.
>

e-mail by fax, eh?   strange request!

mat
mts5@aber.ac.uk
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date:         tue, 3 oct 1995 13:53:07 -0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              horhay <gtuft@niu.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         horhay <gtuft@niu.edu>
subject:      pictures..

you don't spell it son... you eat it.
(what movie?)

i was just reading away at the ba-jillion messages that seem to magically
grow in my mailbox each night and someone mentioned pictures of  ig.

well here's my problem...
my friend took some photos at an ig concert for her school newspaper and
gave me some copies. two to be exact.  anyway, the pictures were printed
backwards.  ya know, like the negative was flipped over or something so all
the letters on their shirts are backward and they are playing their guitars
the wrong way.  is there any way i can get this fixed if i only have the
pictures and not the negs?

just-a-wonderin...

horhay
gtuft@niu.edu
=========================================================================
date:         tue, 3 oct 1995 14:05:15 -0700
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              "michelle d. richards" <mdrichar@uci.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "michelle d. richards" <mdrichar@uci.edu>
subject:      re: play it loud!!
x-to:         wingstar@mulberry.com

>  sure, i like a lot of the music
>>that would be found in such a section, and wouldn't mind spending my money
>>on it, but when someone next day says, "what were you doing in the gay
>>section of hmv (or wherever)", i might have a job explaining to them that it
>>was the music that i was after.
>
>let me see if i have this right, its cool to listen to them and be on their
>mailing list but because the artist happens to be gay or lesbian, you should
>just listen to them in a closet where noone else will know?
>
>hmm.  can't quite follow that line of thinking.  i say play it loud play it
>proud!
>
>pat
>                        "adding up the total of a love that's true
>multiply life by the pover of two."
>                                         e.s.

*****
amen

m.r.

ps  this is my second day in your land, and i've got to say that it is one
of the grooviest places that i have ever been.
>
>
=========================================================================
date:         tue, 3 oct 1995 17:06:47 -0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              spiepmeier@wellesley.edu
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "<sarah piepmeier>" <spiepmeier@wellesley.edu>
subject:      re: bootleg of brown u. show, anyone?

hi.  i saw your message -- i do have a copy of the show, but it's not very
good -- my first taping experience.  if you can't find anyone else with it
, though i'm sure you will, let me know and i'll be happy to make you a
copy for a blank and sase.
it _was_ an amazing show, though...
--piep.
=========================================================================
date:         tue, 3 oct 1995 14:07:05 -0700
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              "teresa c. esguerra" <sac83826@saclink1.csus.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "teresa c. esguerra" <sac83826@saclink1.csus.edu>
subject:      re: womens music
x-to:         margaret clayton <maclayto@mhc.mtholyoke.edu>
in-reply-to:  <pine.ult.3.91.951002071823.18627a-100000@mhc.mtholyoke.edu>

on mon, 2 oct 1995, margaret clayton wrote:

> > think e's gf would share, margaret?  maybe we could have an auction?
> >
> > jo

> i bid $500.
> margaret

hey!
        let me morgage my home first, then i can get in on this bidding
stuff...

:)
teri
=========================================================================
date:         tue, 3 oct 1995 17:15:55 -0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              spiepmeier@wellesley.edu
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "<sarah piepmeier>" <spiepmeier@wellesley.edu>
subject:      sorry for the list-post...it was an accident

...that's it.
--piep.
=========================================================================
date:         tue, 3 oct 1995 17:11:29 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              "mr. might-have-been" <pnorman@eclair.roanoke.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "mr. might-have-been" <pnorman@eclair.roanoke.edu>
subject:      re: segregation and list things...
in-reply-to:  <m0szojm-000k5yc@mail.infinet.com>

in response to all of the pigeon-holing of artists that has some of you
all riled up, i've always kind of gotten a kick out of people calling me
a "dyke-rocker" -- let people call it what they will, we know where the
music is.  take care all... phil

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
pnorman@eclair.roanoke.edu                   "i'm not a coward,
                                              i'm a proud man of sorts.."
http://www.roanoke.edu/~pnorman                         - big fish ensemble
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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date:         tue, 3 oct 1995 17:24:16 edt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              mary clark <mryclrk@eden.rutgers.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         mary clark <mryclrk@eden.rutgers.edu>
subject:      gay/lesbian sections and personal courage

chain music stores traditionally have arbitrary categorization of artists.  a
tower near me has a great folk section with everybody you could possibly ever
want, and they put ig and ani difranco in the pop/rock section. meanwhile sam
goody puts ani difranco in the folk section.  putting either of these artists
(esp. ani, who would have to be in the bi section) in a gay/lesbian section
would be equivalent to putting tlc in the black section, neil young in the
old hetero section, or nirvana in the dead people section.  the real problem
with it, barring philosophical arguments about the purpose of music and the
composition of audiences, etc. is that it makes it really fucking hard to
find who you want.  i have to look at every section sometimes just to figure
out where joe shmo put my band.  i think they ought to just throw everything
except classical and musicals together and alphabetize.  or better yet, they
should do whatever the hell they want; i just won't shop in them anymore.
there's plenty of great ma and pa record stores that can order anything you
want if they don't have it on hand.
     i think we've all got different opinions about the importance of chain
record stores, the obligation they have to the customer, and so on, but the
point of this argument that jumped out at me was when mat said that he
objects to the gay/lesbian sectioning because he doesn't want to persecuted
by others for being there, cause he doesn't have the courage or something,
and because ig aren't any less than dar williams or other folk artists,
implying that to be sectioned off as gay/lesbian automatically makes them
less. this kind of thinking makes me want to have every ig album plastered
with a big sticker that says queer.  to listen to a group in spite of their
sexuality seems to me to be the worst kind of pc bullshit.  people who are
afraid of what image their record collection might cast on themselves are
cowardly assholes.  i came out to myself, and i survived an oppressive "be a
pretty girl" adolescence because of ig.  i'm proud to be an ig fan and i'm
glad they're out. i think their sexuality, while certainly not a definition
of their music, is an integral part of what they do.  making that statement
in reference to a heterosexual artist wouldn' cause a stir; it's just
assumed.  but i'm sure plenty of people are poised to disagree with me
already. ignoring sexuality, just like ignoring race class or gender, is like
ignoring that society treats people differently, ignoring that society treats
some people like less.  one cannot stick one's head in the sand and pretend
that these issues mean nothing, that justice is blind, that anyone can do
anything or be anyone in spite of birthright or family name.
amy and emily are gay.
if that makes you or your narrow-minded friends uncomfortable, then go sell
your cd's and buy some new kids on the block.
=========================================================================
date:         tue, 3 oct 1995 14:27:46 -0700
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              "teresa c. esguerra" <sac83826@saclink1.csus.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "teresa c. esguerra" <sac83826@saclink1.csus.edu>
subject:      re: a real live thread
x-to:         mary clark <mryclrk@eden.rutgers.edu>
in-reply-to:  <cmm-ru.1.5.812659510.mryclrk@er6.rutgers.edu>

let me try to continue (although i can't imagine topping mc's orginal 10)

you know you're an indigo girls fan when...
1.  you're listening to other artists because a or e mentioned them in an
interview or cd cover (how i discovered husker du and shawn colvin)...

2.  you're searching for the same quicksilver shirt emily's wearing on
the nis inside cover

3.  you're the only one in the theater who's screaming at the first sight
of amy and emily in boys on the side...

4.  you're screaming to an ig roadie for emily's tea bag (one of my
darkest/dorkiest moments)

i'm in a rush to clear my box, so i'll add some stuff later...   teri
=========================================================================
date:         tue, 3 oct 1995 14:30:43 -0700
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              "teresa c. esguerra" <sac83826@saclink1.csus.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "teresa c. esguerra" <sac83826@saclink1.csus.edu>
subject:      a + e +mary jane = ????
x-to:         ron johnson <ronjohns@microsoft.com>
in-reply-to:  <9510022051.aa02927@netmail2.microsoft.com>

on mon, 2 oct 1995, ron johnson wrote:

> maybe they're two great things that go great together???? ;-)

        if you think "mystery" is a heavy duty song sober!!!

        don't try this at home children....


peace and hair grease,
teri
=========================================================================
date:         tue, 3 oct 1995 14:25:16 -0700
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              jennifer kim lerner <jlerner@leland.stanford.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         jennifer kim lerner <jlerner@leland.stanford.edu>
subject:      re: a real live thread
in-reply-to:  <pine.sol.3.91.951002213536.15309a-100000@forbin.syr.edu>

on mon, 2 oct 1995, jean m. bardin wrote:

> 4) you've turned your stereo up really loud to try and figure out what
> they're saying in the background. (ex. "touch me fall")


this reminds me. . . if you turn the volume up really loud at the
beginning of this train (theresa gets credit for discovering this) there
are several names said before the song starts.  does anybody know what
these names are?  our guess was either victims of the holocaust or survivors.
(and btw this was a really cool thing to discover- just another one of
those amazing things that amy and emily do- like the hymn in hammer and a
nail and ode to joy in cedar tree).

and one other question- does anyone have a copy of the ig concert at
laguna seca in monterey on may 28, 1995?  please e-mail me privately if
you do- i would be indebted forever.  thanks.

eagerly awaiting oct. 10,

jenn
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date:         tue, 3 oct 1995 18:31:39 edt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              bertin lefkovic <indigboy@eden.rutgers.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         bertin lefkovic <indigboy@eden.rutgers.edu>
subject:      re: segregation and list things...
x-to:         indigo girls mailing list
              <indigo-girls%netspace.org@rutvm1.rutgers.edu>,
              "mr. might-have-been" <pnorman@eclair.roanoke.edu>
in-reply-to:  your message of tue, 3 oct 1995 17:11:29 -0400

phil

why would anyone call you a dyke-rocker?


vive la internacionale

bert
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date:         tue, 3 oct 1995 16:37:22 -0700
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              "teresa c. esguerra" <sac83826@saclink1.csus.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "teresa c. esguerra" <sac83826@saclink1.csus.edu>
subject:      re: gay/lesbian sections and personal courage
x-to:         mary clark <mryclrk@eden.rutgers.edu>
in-reply-to:  <cmm-ru.1.5.812755456.mryclrk@er7.rutgers.edu>

on tue, 3 oct 1995, mary clark wrote:

> point of this argument that jumped out at me was when mat said that he
> objects to the gay/lesbian sectioning because he doesn't want to persecuted
> by others for being there, cause he doesn't have the courage or something,
> and because ig aren't any less than dar williams or other folk artists,

        this brings to mind my first shawn colvin concert experience this
past summer.  i saw her open up for lyle lovett in reno, nv. and was
amazed by her devout lesbian following.  i remember sitting in the stands
with my mother asking me "is she one?" ..."how about that one over
there??"  it wasn't until i read earlier articles on this incredibly
talented singer/songwriter that i learned that she opened up for k.d.
lang a few years back.  k.d. has always had a lesbian following herself,
even before she "came out".
        the fact that shawn colvin did open up for k.d. says a tremendous
amount  of her humanity, something that maybe we should all pick up on.
did shawn refuse to be associated with a "lesbian" icon such as k.d.,
simply because she did not want to be recognized as a gay icon herself,
or maybe mistakened as a lesbian?  no!  does the fact that shawn,
heterosexual herself, has a gay following make her any less of an
artist?  hell no.  the same can be said for "straight" artists like mary
chapin carpenter, and even when kurt cobain and nirvana were at their
peak.
        i think it's a damn shame when someone doesn't want to be
"mistaken" as gay/lesbian.  as mary clark continues to argue:

> with a big sticker that says queer.  to listen to a group in spite of their
> sexuality seems to me to be the worst kind of pc bullshit.  people who are
> afraid of what image their record collection might cast on themselves are
> cowardly assholes.  i came out to myself, and i survived an oppressive "be a

        and i think it's bullshit too.  i don't think any of us are able
to say that amy ray and emily saliers'sexual orientation is the
defining part of their music.  but if you are  going to sit there and
blatantly deny their sexual orientation is an insult to the ig's
courage when they came out and it's an insult to certain fans who have
been able to work through the coming out process, including me.

> already. ignoring sexuality, just like ignoring race class or gender, is like
> ignoring that society treats people differently, ignoring that society treats
> some people like less.  one cannot stick one's head in the sand and pretend

        this all reminds me of those folks who "claim" not to be
homophobes, but go on to say "...as long as none of 'em hit on me..."
as if you are on some recruitment list, as if you could be changed, as if
you are so high and mighty to think you are of some importance, and as if
you actually know the day to day struggle of living in a straight world,
and lastly, as if i would rather be anything or anyone else.

> amy and emily are gay.

        nuff said....

peace and pride,
teri
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date:         tue, 3 oct 1995 19:59:54 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              dawn karbler <karblerd@mcnet.marietta.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         dawn karbler <karblerd@mcnet.marietta.edu>
subject:      re: pictures..
x-to:         horhay <gtuft@niu.edu>
in-reply-to:  <9510031853.aa02147@oats>

re: "you don't spell it son...you eat it"

-sixteen candles am i right?
=========================================================================
date:         tue, 3 oct 1995 17:07:49 -0700
reply-to:     "teresa c. esguerra" <sac83826@saclink1.csus.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "teresa c. esguerra" <sac83826@saclink1.csus.edu>
subject:      you know you're an ig fan when...

i'm going to continue with my tangent before i have to go home...

5.  you've had very strange extreme dreams with either indigo girl (or
both) in them.  when i say extreme, i just mean those wierd dreams  where
emily hates your guts or she invites you to live in her condo in las
vegas (...okay..uh...i guess i just have those dreams...)

6.  you practice your new signature if you were married to eithr girl (as
in teresa esguerra-ray or teresa esguerra-saliers...)

7.  you make up ig word searches for your roommates during your music
history class...

8.  the only reason why you want a car is to get some neato personalized
ig license plate (my dream one is currently: clsr2fn with a plate liner
that reads "help me take my life less seriously" on the top and on the
bottom reads "it's only life after all...")

9.  if the "uptown lounge" video is to you what the playboy channel is to
other guys....

10.  if you're on the mailing list....yippeeeeskipppeeeeeeeeeee

peace and hair ggrease,
teri
=========================================================================
date:         tue, 3 oct 1995 20:52:31 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              jmcphee884@aol.com
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         brian mcphee <jmcphee884@aol.com>
subject:      re: vent.......venting......vented

hi!
   i totally agree with bert that we should be happy that mainstream media
doesn't pay all that much attention to them.    i think he is totally right
and we should listen to what he is saying
                                     smiles forever, brian.

"no feet to fall, you need no ground, allowed to glide right through the sun!
released from circles guarded tight, now we are the chosen ones!!!!!!"
                                ar
"when you learn to love yourself, you will dissolve all the stones that are
cast!"
                          ar
"then you see turning out the light switch is their only power, then we stand
like spotlights in a mighty tower all for one and one for all! then we sing
the common call!"
                                  es
"dividing life into factions of pleasures and chores, a bed to be made and a
bed to lie in. a hand on the darker side, and our sights set on zion!"
                             es
=========================================================================
date:         tue, 3 oct 1995 20:19:03 cst6cddt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              "michelle m. elliott" <melliott@student.uwsuper.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "michelle m. elliott" <melliott@student.uwsuper.edu>
organization: uw-superior
subject:      re: intro of this train...

hey, jennifer and all

i think it was determined that the words at the beginning of the song
are german for doctor, teacher, builder, etc.  apparently the nazis
would have each person/prisoner declare their occupation.  people
whose occupations were valuable to the nazis were put in work camps,
people who did not have valuable occupations were put to death.  so,
it seems that amy brought this idea to her song and does, in fact,
echo it later in the song, "here is a
builder/teacher/runner/dancer...etc".

well, that is what i remember on this issue.  i hope anyone with
better information (or anyone who speaks german!) will take quick
opportunity to correct me if i have made any unintentional mistakes.

michelle
=========================================================================
date:         tue, 3 oct 1995 21:25:44 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              guinione@aol.com
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         guinione@aol.com
subject:      nigc: commonbond

mary beth and ashley's october tour schedule ...

10/5: legend's - raleigh, nc (9:30pm - 12:30am)
10/6: warehouse - greensboro, nc (10:30pm - midnite) ... {910-333-9333}
10/7: the hide away - rock hill, sc (10pm - 2am) ... {803-328-6630}

10/11: william & mary college ... call hotline for details ...
10/12: mr. henry's upstairs - washington, dc (8-11pm)
10/13: taliano's - tacoma park, md (9:30pm - 1:30am) ... {301-270-5515}
10/14: hepburn's - philly, pa (10pm - 1am) ... commonbond returns to hep's
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

10/19: uncle louie's - norfolk, va (8pm - midnite) ... {804-480-1225}
10/20: hershee bar - norfolk, va (9:30 - 11:30pm) ... {804-853-9842}
10/21: chestertown annual wildlife festival - chestertown, md (2 - 4pm)
  and   andy's - chestertown, md (9pm - 1am) ... {410-778-6779}

10/25: grog & tankard - washington, dc (9:30pm - ???) ... {202-333-3114}
10/26: secret's cove - alexandria, va (9pm - 1am) ... {703-780-0123}
10/27: fatty's - rockville, md (9pm - 1am)

e-mail me for more info or call the commonbond hotline @ (301) 870-7109

listen/request commonbond on the following radio stations ...

charlotte, nc --         wfae  90.7fm
philly, pa --              wxpn  88.5fm
richmond, va --        wvgo  106.5fm
virginia beach, va -- "the coast"  93.6fm
philly, pa --               wkdu  91.7fm  (215-895-5917)
morehead, nc --         hot fm  96.3

cd's/tape's/t-shirt's available thru mail order ....

peace

chris (guini)
=========================================================================
date:         tue, 3 oct 1995 20:27:40 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              deb <indigo@clark.net>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         deb <indigo@clark.net>
subject:      re: a real live thread

sheri stanley <sstanley@infinet.com> wrote:

>ah..i graduated before they hit the scene...but i would've traveled to see
>them :)

>>3) you purchased a guitar just to learn ig songs.
>        no, but i did become obsessed with playing, almost exclusively, ig
>songs on my steel-string and i        want to write a guitar solo for
>emily..possibly to be played on a classical guitar  :)

who are you trying to kid, sheri, you know you never graduated and you
can't play guitar worth a damn. :p

>ha ha ha ha ha. poor cooper-she has all these amy-lusting fans to deal
>with.

not to mention people who've named their *dogs* after her.

>>7) you've started a conversation with, "when i move to atlanta.."

if you append "even though i've never been there," i fit the bill. well,
there was that one stopover on my way to bermuda where some wonderful
atlanta folks stopped in the airport to greet me. ;)

>>13) you have a daemon records t-shirt.
>
>               not yet

phbbbbbbbbbbt! get one, they're great! i felt oh-so-cool wearing one to the
kristen hersh show that danielle howle opened for!

>>16) you've bought an album you never heard before, just because you heard
>>that amy/emily said she liked them.

i bought kristen hall's real life stuff before she was on daemon because a
southern va. record store newsletter compared her to ig... does that count?

--
deb \ indigo@clark.net \ 10-03 20:27 est \ http://www.clark.net/pub/indigo
__________________________________________________________________________
"remember what they taught you, how much of it was fear/ refuse to hand it
  down, the legacy stops here..." - melissa etheridge, "silent legacy"
=========================================================================
date:         tue, 3 oct 1995 19:42:43 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              deb <indigo@clark.net>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         deb <indigo@clark.net>
subject:      re: poster, goldmine

"teresa c. esguerra" <sac83826@saclink1.csus.edu> wrote:

>rebecca,
>        if it's the pickney's store picture like the one shown in out
>magazine, i  would have paid up to thirty...

then i think i'll buy as many as i can for $3 from russell carter
management and auction them. :) seriously, i don't know if they have any
more, but they've been selling them for $3 since "joking" was released as a
single (perhaps even earlier). the address is in the cds, or write them at
rcam@nav.com.

                               =-=-=<>=-=-=

neil hunt <ph21nh@ph.surrey.ac.uk> wrote:

>goldmine is like record collector, but heavily weighted toward adverts...

yes, but imo the ads are the only reason to buy goldmine... that's where
you'll find places to mail-order boots and other imports.

>should be able to find it in record stores (like tower) and newsstands...

in the dc area, tower and borders both get a few copies.

--
deb \ indigo@clark.net \ 10-03 20:46 est \ http://www.clark.net/pub/indigo
__________________________________________________________________________
             "ecstacy ain't free/ but compromise is chance"
            -  melissa etheridge, "you used to love to dance"
=========================================================================
date:         tue, 3 oct 1995 19:56:47 -0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              jamie suthard <suthardj@southwestern.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         jamie suthard <suthardj@southwestern.edu>
subject:      re: shawn colvin
x-to:         "teresa c. esguerra" <sac83826@saclink1.csus.edu>
in-reply-to:  <pine.3.89.9510031639.a29484-0100000@saclink1.csus.edu>

i love shawn colvin...she lives in austin with me and plays many shows in
austin...is this going to go public...i can't get used to this thing
ahhhhhh!!
js
=========================================================================
date:         tue, 3 oct 1995 21:21:29 -0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              horhay <gtuft@niu.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         horhay <gtuft@niu.edu>
subject:      a reply to your reply

a moviegoing dawn replied to my bit-o-trivia:

>re: "you don't spell it son...you eat it"
>
>-sixteen candles am i right?
>
>

very good dawn.
try this:
(anyone can play this annoying game that i happen to like to play a lot but
also happen to annoy each of my friends by playing)

"supreme exe'tive power is derived by a mandate from the masses, not from
some farsical aquatic ceremony."
=========================================================================
date:         tue, 3 oct 1995 22:56:03 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              michael s kilgour <mkilgour@gac.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         michael s kilgour <mkilgour@gac.edu>
subject:      re: a reply to your reply
in-reply-to:  <9510040221.aa27690@oats> from "horhay" at oct 3, 95 09:21:29 pm

>
> a moviegoing dawn replied to my bit-o-trivia:
>
> >re: "you don't spell it son...you eat it"
> >
> >-sixteen candles am i right?
> >
> >
>
> very good dawn.
> try this:
> (anyone can play this annoying game that i happen to like to play a lot but
> also happen to annoy each of my friends by playing)
>
> "supreme exe'tive power is derived by a mandate from the masses, not from
> some farsical aquatic ceremony."
>


easy, "monty python's holy grail"
scene 3 to be exact. ;)
-mike-
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date:         tue, 3 oct 1995 22:54:57 edt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              debbie <st000051@brownvm.brown.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         debbie <st000051@brownvm.brown.edu>
subject:      re: a real live thread
x-to:         "teresa c. esguerra" <sac83826@saclink1.csus.edu>
in-reply-to:  message of tue, 3 oct 1995 14:27:46 -0700 from
              <sac83826@saclink1.csus.edu>

on tue, 3 oct 1995 14:27:46 -0700 teresa c. esguerra said:

okay, okay, i see the humor...
>
>3.  you're the only one in the theater who's screaming at the first sight
>of amy and emily in boys on the side...
>

yup, that was me!

debbie
toadstool@brown.edu
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date:         tue, 3 oct 1995 19:48:08 -0700
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              be nice!! <emjay@netcom.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         be nice!! <emjay@netcom.com>
subject:      re: a reply to your reply
x-to:         horhay <gtuft@niu.edu>
in-reply-to:  <9510040221.aa27690@oats>

on tue, 3 oct 1995, horhay wrote:

> very good dawn.
> try this:
> (anyone can play this annoying game that i happen to like to play a lot but
> also happen to annoy each of my friends by playing)
>
> "supreme exe'tive power is derived by a mandate from the masses, not from
> some farsical aquatic ceremony."
>
yah yah yah and your mother smells of elderberry.

now can we end this and quit wasting bandwidth?
=========================================================================
date:         tue, 3 oct 1995 22:27:46 pst8pdt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              sarah white <whit9507@novell.uidaho.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         sarah white <whit9507@novell.uidaho.edu>
organization: university of idaho
subject:      amy ray. thank god.

okay. so i subscribe to this indigo girl net thing, fan that i am,
and lo! 12 e-mail messages appear magically on my screen (a new
record).  feasably, i could forget about my current class load and
persuit of higher ed., and be a full-time indigo girls internet
junkie... securing myself to heaven, seeking my source for some
difinitive...  i'd better get out of here and head for the
biology lab before it's too late...
oh--did anyone else see them at radio city in nyc summer 94?  good
show.
later...sarah w.
=========================================================================
date:         wed, 4 oct 1995 01:38:41 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              cojehali@aol.com
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "<connie lindell>" <cojehali@aol.com>
subject:      re: ig cover song

hi everyone!

a few years ago i saw the indigo girls perform the song "levon" (originally
by elton john) during a sound check before their show in berkeley.  it
sounded great, and i'd love to have a recording of it, but to my knowledge it
doesn't exist on cd/tape (officially, at least). does anyone know if this
cover is available anywhere, on a boot, personal recording, or whatever?  if
so, how can i get a copy?

thanks! :)
-connie
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date:         wed, 4 oct 1995 01:31:52 -0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              jones <jone3176@saintmarys.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         jones <jone3176@saintmarys.edu>
subject:      looking for boots...

i'm still looking for a few bootlegs...with all these people, someone has
just got to have the ones i'm looking for...

indigo girls in:

south bend, in at u of notre dame...oct. 5, 1995 (4th or 5th, i'm not
sure)
indianapolis, in at market square arena...april 8, 1995
santa fe, nm at paolo soleri...may 23, 1995
mt. pleasant, mi at central michigan univ...april 14, 1995
ohio...at? on amy's birthday...april 12, 1995


if anyone has any of these shows, will you please e-mail me
privately...thank you so much!!!!

carol
jone3176@saintmarys.edu.
=========================================================================
date:         wed, 4 oct 1995 07:05:01 est
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              rob_sticka@ccmail.gsfc.nasa.gov
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         rob sticka <rob_sticka@ccmail.gsfc.nasa.gov>
subject:      re[2]: intro of this train...
x-to:         melliott@student.uwsuper.edu

michelle said this about the intro to "this train revised":

>i think it was determined that the words at the beginning of the
>song are german for doctor, teacher, builder, etc.  apparently the
>nazis would have each person/prisoner declare their occupation.
>people whose occupations were valuable to the nazis were put in work
>camps, people who did not have valuable occupations were put to
>death.  so, it seems that amy brought this idea to her song and
>does, in fact, echo it later in the song, "here is a
>builder/teacher/runner/dancer...etc".

my understanding was that they are saying the names of people.  when
you first enter the holocaust museum in d.c., you receive a card with
biographical information of one person (name and occupation, which
death camp, etc.).  does anyone speak german to resolve this?  if
they are saying names, can someone spell out the names?  if they are
saying occupations, which german words are they saying?

rob
=========================================================================
date:         wed, 4 oct 1995 04:44:04 -0700
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              laurie higgins <stompbox@ix.netcom.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         laurie higgins <stompbox@ix.netcom.com>
subject:      re: intro of this train...

you wrote:
>
>hey, jennifer and all
>
>i think it was determined that the words at the beginning of the song
>are german for doctor, teacher, builder, etc.  apparently the nazis
>would have each person/prisoner declare their occupation.  people
>whose occupations were valuable to the nazis were put in work camps,
>people who did not have valuable occupations were put to death.  so,
>it seems that amy brought this idea to her song and does, in fact,
>echo it later in the song, "here is a
>builder/teacher/runner/dancer...etc".
>
>well, that is what i remember on this issue.  i hope anyone with
>better information (or anyone who speaks german!) will take quick
>opportunity to correct me if i have made any unintentional mistakes.
>

............actually, i noticed this about a month ago and the words
at the beginning of this train  are names and then a different voice
saying teacher etc. following each name.  my guess is that these are
actual people that amy learned about while she was at the holucost
museum...........when i discovered this, i was gonna make it part of my
sig and wait and see how long it took somebody to figure it out, but i
share this account so i didn't do it.....
=========================================================================
date:         wed, 4 oct 1995 07:27:14 cst6cddt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              "michelle m. elliott" <melliott@student.uwsuper.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "michelle m. elliott" <melliott@student.uwsuper.edu>
organization: uw-superior
subject:      re: re[3]: intro of this train...

yeah, maybe names.  but it seems like the same words spoken over and
over.  we need a german speaker here!

michelle
=========================================================================
date:         wed, 4 oct 1995 13:27:56 +0100
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              mts5@aber.ac.uk
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         matthew joseph smith <mts5@aber.ac.uk>
subject:      re: a real live thread
x-to:         "teresa c. esguerra" <sac83826@saclink1.csus.edu>

>you know you're an indigo girls fan when...
>1.  you're listening to other artists because a or e mentioned them in an
>interview or cd cover (how i discovered husker du and shawn colvin)...
>

actually now you say it teri, i only bought my first indigo girls cd because
i saw their credit singing backing vox for mary chapin carpenter (on the
hard way and walking through fire on come on come on).   i suppose that
makes me a true mary c. carpenter fan!   (stones in the road ain't much cop,
though.)

mat
mts5@aber.ac.uk
=========================================================================
date:         wed, 4 oct 1995 10:13:20 -24000
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              "judith k. hunter" <jhunter@rtc.gov>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "judith k. hunter" <jhunter@rtc.gov>
subject:      interview with a&e!

finally got the first article transcribed which i received from teri on
monday.  it is a wonderful interview with a&e where they talk about their
music and how they approach-the-muse :) when they sit down to write a song.
they also discuss their philosophy behind their music and their specific
likes and dislikes about their own work....

i will be sending this article to the list in six installments since my e-
mail will not let me send chunks larger than 6k bytes... i'll send three
installments today and three tomorrow numbered installment1, 2, 3, etc.

l8r, jude :)
=========================================================================
date:         wed, 4 oct 1995 10:19:01 -24000
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              "judith k. hunter" <jhunter@rtc.gov>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "judith k. hunter" <jhunter@rtc.gov>
subject:      installment 1

the indigo girls -- two views, one musical vision, reprinted from performing
songwriter magazine, dated  march/april 1994.

after a year of nearly non-stop touring to support rites of passage, their
most musically ambitious album, saliers and ray took several months off last
summer to rejuvenate their creative energies and develop their next songs for
the latest indigo girls album, due to be released in april.

since they first started performing in atlanta music clubs in the early '80s,
the indigos have continued to move into larger and more demanding musical
arenas while honing their songwriting skills with each new album - from their
1988 grammy+winning debut through the more complex rites of passage, released
in 1992.

from the beginning, the contrast of ray's darker voice with saliers' purer
one has defined the indigos' trademark sound, with performances that include
everything from introspective ballads to rock+inspired songs of driving
intensity that they bang out on their acoustic guitars.

even though they write separately and acknowledge different musical tastes,
the indigos craft their songs into such dense arrangements of vocal harmonies
and symbiotic guitar parts that it's hard to think of either's strikingly
personal songs without the other's presence.

a few months ago, while they were halfway through recording their new album,
swamp ophelia, saliers and ray took time to reflect on their musical and
personal ties that stretch back to grade school, when they started singing
together.

when did you first start moving away from cover tunes and maturing as a
songwriter?

emily: when i was 14 years old, i had songs that i felt were good songs. i
thought i was doing quite well for my age, up until the time i went to
college. then my age caught up with my talent (laughs). and never felt the
same way again.

amy: we started playing together in '80 or '81, we learned cover songs like
"junkie's lament" by james taylor and "wisteria" by dan fogelberg and a
couple of elton john songs. but emily was already writing her own stuff, and
i was writing minimally. after i had been away at vanderbilt and emily was at
tulane, we both transferred back to emory in '84 and that's when we really
started doing a lot of originals.

have you ever studied songs by other writers to analyze the craft from a
different perspective?

emily: the big turning point in how i looked at songwriting came when i
discovered joni  mitchell. she is by far the biggest influence on my writing
and how i think about songwriting. and then after her, bob dylan. those two -
the king and the queen. after listening to them, i started looking at my own
lyrics and went, 'oh my god, how did you ever sing this, especially in front
of people?' they were the ones who made me want to become more succinct and
more understated in my lyrics instead of just, "here's my heart bleeding all
over the page."

amy: i never used to think about songwriting that way. but in the last couple
of years, i've started looking more at songs and how they're structured
because it decreases the limitations that you feel. it's helpful, i think, to
analyze in a purely structural way what other people do - and then take it
and put it in the back of your mind and not let it interfere with your
inspiration.

is there anything ritualistic about how you prepare to write?

emily: i do always like quiet. i usually like to have a cup of tea. i have to
be in a very reflective state, and for me, that requires peace and quiet. but
up until just a couple of years ago, i wrote all my songs in my parents'
kitchen, even when i lived on my own. that was a hard thing for me to break.
it really was a strong pattern, but now i'm able to write in my house. my
home environment has always been very loving and warm and nurturing and
creative. sitting there at that kitchen table, i felt completely comfortable
and i knew no one was going to call me on the phone, so it allowed all the
thoughts to come in unobstructed.

amy: normally, i write after one in the morning i don't know why. that's when
i finish getting all my work done, i guess. most of the time, it's when i'm
by myself and all my appointments are out of the way and no one's up and i
can't do anything else. so i sit down and write. and if i don't come up with
something,  i get a little bit frustrated and realize that i'm too tired.
emily writes in the morning - she really does. it's really bizarre, but she
does (laughs).

do you keep a journal or notebook of ideas?

emily: no, i've never done that before. now i've made a sort of loose
commitment - if there's such a thing - to myself to start writing ideas down
because i realize how much you forget. when we're on the road, i'm looking
out the tour bus window and i'd feel very inspired and start coming up with
ideas for lyrics that i think are original. and then i just forget them.

amy: i have a book that i'm always writing lyrics down in that i take with me
everywhere.
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date:         wed, 4 oct 1995 10:24:29 -24000
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              "judith k. hunter" <jhunter@rtc.gov>
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from:         "judith k. hunter" <jhunter@rtc.gov>
subject:      installment 2

how do you typically get started on a song?

emily: i'll have something that i've been thinking about and it gets to a
point where it feels like my thoughts are going to come to the surface. and
then i sit down with my guitar with no one else around and start finding a
chord progression that i like and just sort of sing out lyrics aimlessly.
then that will take me in one direction or another.

amy: if i'm feeling something inside me and i don't know what it is, i'll sit
down in front of my notebook and i'll just read the last ten pages of what
i've written. and i'll start messing around with some chords or something.
out of twenty sentences on the page, i may use one sentence. but the thoughts
inspire me to go in a certain direction.

what are some of the internal obstacles you face when you're writing?

emily: i have this problem of censoring myself before i really get anything
out and i'm always trying to do better before i even allow myself to do
anything. i start to have ideas and then i'll say things like, "well, that's
cliched. think about a more interesting way to say it.  and i've always
fallen short of the way i wanted to write, which is frustrating and inspiring
both.

amy: songwriting totally wastes me. once i start writing, i'm pretty much no
good in the real world because i get all tied up in it and it's painful -
because you're tapping into things that you might not want to think about.
when emily and i start getting into a songwriting mode, i'm constantly saying
to her, "god, i hate this++i love it and i hate it." i love doing it but i
really hate it. sometimes when i'm on the verge of writing a bunch of songs,
i have trepidations about it and l almost don't really want to do it because
i know i'm going to get really tired from staying up late and not getting
enough sleep. and when i go out for a nice jog, the whole time i'm running
i'm going to be thinking about one song over and over again. and it drives me
crazy.

is it constructive for you to have a deadline or does it get in the way of
creativity?

emily: a little bit of both. in a way, it's constructive because you have to
make a discipline of writing. this summer, i spent a lot of time telling
myself, "i'm going to go out to my studio and i'm just going to sit down and
play around with some ideas." i knew i had to. and then one idea would lead
to another and it became fruitful after the discipline. on the other hand,
you always have the feeling that, "if i weren't thinking about this deadline
so much, then something could just hit me in life. maybe it's going to happen
six months from now instead of having to happen within these two months. and
maybe i'm going to be able to write a better song then than i am now." so
it's a combination of those feelings. obviously, you can't be that
spontaneous if you have a deadline. but i think the best writers have
probably just had to force themselves to sit down and write.

amy: usually i wouldn't work well at all with that kind of thing. it would
make me have a block. but the timing has always been perfect for writing for
me. i've always written a few songs while i was on the road - and then been
really sick of playing and not picked my guitar up. and then all of a sudden
it just comes pouring out and i'm living and breathing songwriting for days.
and it makes me sick, but i do it.

do you usually finish your lyrics in one sitting or do you spend a lot of
time reworking and revising them?

emily: i've started to do more revising than i ever have done. a lot of these
lessons i learned from writing papers in college. you get your creative spurt
that's going to be the crux of your paper and then you go back and redefine
and pinpoint and things like that. and that's my style of writing. i wouldn't
call it stream-of-consciousness at all. it's very much trying to construct an
idea and build around it. and it's very narrative.

amy: there have been a couple of songs i've written in one night. one of them
was this song called "dead man's hill," but it was based on a lyric that i
had written a few months before. that's very rare, though.
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date:         wed, 4 oct 1995 10:28:28 -24000
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              "judith k. hunter" <jhunter@rtc.gov>
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from:         "judith k. hunter" <jhunter@rtc.gov>
subject:      installment 3

how would you characterize your individual styles of lyric writing?

emily: well, one thing i like about amy's writing is that it's sort of
ethereal. what she's really doing is channeling her thoughts without getting
in her own way. and i'm really much more specific. a lot of times, i look at
my songs and i'm like, "yuck" - because you really have to have a gift to be
able to talk about something specific.  i can only think of a handful of
songwriters that are like that. joni mitchell has that gift and ferron has
that gift and bob dylan and shawn colvin.

amy: a lot of times i narrate something that is happening, but i narrate it
in an abstract way because there are things that i can express in a sensual
way that cover more territory for me spiritually and emotionally. and it
leaves things a little bit more open to interpretation. sometimes i'll write
something down in a concrete way and it sounds very bland and common+place.
like when i wrote this new song about the holocaust, i wrote something that
just really didn't capture the anger and the height of emotion. so i took the
whole experience and i took myself out of it and removed anything that seemed
too concrete. i would look at the sentence and i'd ask myself, what appeals
to the senses here? what is the most graphic, sensual thing i can think of
for this?' and then i'd replace what i'd written with something more
abstract.

what about the role that your guitar skills play in your writing? do you ever
feel locked into a particular songwriting style because you feel limited by
what you're capable of as a guitarist?

emily: yeah, to be honest, i do. sometimes i would like to break out of my
musical style. sometimes i wish i didn't have the voice i have - because even
when i try to put my most gut-wrenching punch into it, when i listen to it on
playback it still sounds mellow in a way. and the same thing with musical
style - like with guitar, i really only play guitar one way. if i were
accomplished on the piano i think i could write differently. or if i were
able to open myself to other influences i would be able to write differently.
a big problem is that i'm not very inspired by most new music and i keep
going back to the same things. i feel like i could be a good electric guitar
player. on this new album, amy's got a song called "touch me fall" where i'm
going to play electric guitar. i'm really excited about it because i feel the
parts i've found are truly expressive of what i want to do, and they're
different from what i've done before. and if i'd played that song on acoustic
guitar, it would have been a little bit more of the same.

amy: i totally suck - i totally suck as a guitar player (laughing). i'm
constantly battling that. constantly! i'm totally limited. that's my biggest
thorn and i'm really working on it. i'm slowly progressing. a lot of times
i'll have musical ideas in my head and i won't be able to express them.
sometimes i'll sit down at a keyboard and mess around because piano is really
great to write on. i relate more to a keyboard than i do to a fretboard
because that's what i learned to play first. but normally i'll pick up other
stringed instruments - i'll pick up a mandolin, i'll play the ukelele. a lot
of times i'll sit down with an electric guitar to open my mind up a little
bit because for some reason i play different chords on an electric than i
would on an acoustic.

which of each other's songs are your favorites?

emily: i like so many of amy's songs and for different reasons. i love
"chicken man" - it was always one of my favorite songs to play live on this
past year of touring. and i love her old standby upbeat songs like "land of
canaan." i'll never get tired of playing that song, even though she does. and
the mystical power she gets in some of her songs like "jonas and ezekiel,"
where you almost know what she's talking about but you're not sure. those
songs stay with you a long time because you can't figure them out. that's the
great power of amy's song-writing, that mystery. i take so much pleasure in
her songs.

amy: i love "virginia woolf" - i think that's a great song. and i've always
been a really big fan of "history of us," "crazy game" - i like that song a
lot, and "galileo" is an incredible song. and in "watershed," i think the
line that starts, 'twisted guard rails on the highway' is my favorite line
she's ever written. i don't know why it just really pops out at you. it's so
true.
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date:         wed, 4 oct 1995 08:08:47 -0800
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              carla williams <cjwilliams@getty.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         carla williams <cjwilliams@getty.edu>
subject:      re: a real live thread -- jean's list

>6) the mention of the name cooper makes
you cranky.

as does the name sue, which you
unfortunately see a lot more often.


>15) you got a tattoo because amy has one.

not yet, but you live in los angeles and you
are desperately trying to track down jill jordan
who gets credit for the tattoo on ig because
you only want to get one from her (and you're
hoping you can touch the needle she used on
amy).
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date:         wed, 4 oct 1995 11:46:28 -24000
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              "judith k. hunter" <jhunter@rtc.gov>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "judith k. hunter" <jhunter@rtc.gov>
subject:      ig in baez ad

the oct 9th issue of the newyorker zine has an ad in the section where they
discuss weekly arts showing joan baez and listing ig as contributors to the
"ring them bells" cd.....:) jude
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date:         wed, 4 oct 1995 12:24:00 edt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              sheri stanley <sstanley@infinet.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         sheri stanley <sstanley@infinet.com>
subject:      looks like the good judge is a guitar player!

i subscribe to a newsgroup about acoustic guitars and i ran across some
notes about judge lance ito owning a martin guitar. i also saw these jokes,
so i just had to pass them along.

-sheri


****************************************************************************
***************************************
from: robert l. abramowitz <lepetomane@delphi.com>
>
>>q: what should the name of lance ito's forthcoming acoustic cd be?
>
>judge dread (naught)

"sex, lies, and fuhrman's tapes"

"chord appeal"

(i couldn't resist :-)

>from: larry@admin.dce.utah.edu (larry maloy)
>newsgroups: rec.music.makers.guitar.acoustic
>subject: re: lance ito, guitar freak
>date: 3 oct 1995 16:42:29 gmt
>organization: division of continuing education, university of utah
>lines: 19
>message-id: <larry.30.0@admin.dce.utah.edu>
>nntp-posting-host: dyn158119.dce.utah.edu
>
>
>in article <44qc4a$9il@news.ust.hk>, yuwono-b@cs.ust.hk says...
>
>>q: what should the name of lance ito's forthcoming acoustic cd be?
>
>"you be the judge"
>
>"chamber music"
>
>"here come da judge"
>
>"in contempt"
>
>or maybe an mtv special, "lance ito, unjuiced"
>
>sorry, i couldn't help myself.
to take the world into one's arms and to act toward it
in a soul-filled and soul-strengthening manner is a
powerful act of wildish spirit.
       -clarissa pinkola estes/women who run with the wolves
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date:         wed, 4 oct 1995 12:50:00 edt
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              sheri stanley <sstanley@infinet.com>
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from:         sheri stanley <sstanley@infinet.com>
subject:      emily solo on chickenman

wow! i've been listening to cg in bits and pieces and last night i heard
chickenman for the first time. emily's solo is a knockout. she really does a
fantastic solo on that version.

btw..thanks for reprinting the ps review, judith.

-sheri

to take the world into one's arms and to act toward it
in a soul-filled and soul-strengthening manner is a
powerful act of wildish spirit.
       -clarissa pinkola estes/women who run with the wolves
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date:         wed, 4 oct 1995 12:53:00 edt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              sheri stanley <sstanley@infinet.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         sheri stanley <sstanley@infinet.com>
subject:      who wanted guitar chords (nigc)

someone requested some ig chords from me recently. i'm sorry i don't have
the original note anymore (delete long story about having to re-install my
internet software <g>). anyway...now that my connections are re-established,
speak up and i'll see what i can do.

-sheri

to take the world into one's arms and to act toward it
in a soul-filled and soul-strengthening manner is a
powerful act of wildish spirit.
       -clarissa pinkola estes/women who run with the wolves
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date:         wed, 4 oct 1995 12:16:08 -0500
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              steven grandt <granstet@david.wheaton.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         steven grandt <granstet@david.wheaton.edu>
subject:      re: a reply to your reply
in-reply-to:  <9510040221.aa27690@oats> from "horhay" at oct 3, 95 09:21:29 pm

> try this:
> (anyone can play this annoying game that i happen to like to play a lot but
> also happen to annoy each of my friends by playing)
>
> "supreme exe'tive power is derived by a mandate from the masses, not from
> some farsical aquatic ceremony."
>
can we say holy grail?---if we're going to play this game, at least make
it a little tougher.  ;-)
steve
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date:         wed, 4 oct 1995 13:26:00 edt
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              mary clark <mryclrk@eden.rutgers.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         mary clark <mryclrk@eden.rutgers.edu>
subject:      re: ig in baez ad
x-to:         indigo girls mailing list
              <indigo-girls%netspace.org@rutvm1.rutgers.edu>,
              "judith k. hunter" <jhunter@rtc.gov>
in-reply-to:  your message of wed, 4 oct 1995 11:46:28 -24000

and it was a damn good show too.  has anyone bought this cd yet?  i have yet
to see a review.  do they have anything from the crowd in between songs?  i
would die if i heard my own voice...
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date:         wed, 4 oct 1995 12:26:18 est
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              sue steinike <steinike@mace.cc.purdue.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         sue steinike <steinike@mace.cc.purdue.edu>
subject:      uptown lounge video
in-reply-to:  <199510040404.xaa12399@mace.cc.purdue.edu>; from "automatic
              digest processor" at oct 4, 95 12:00 am

hi everybody!  i just have a few quick questions:  is the uptown lounge
video still available?  i can't find it anywhere.  does anyone know if
it will be rereleased when the watershed video comes out?

to all the new people:  don't worry that the list is "stuck up" or anything.
i'm fairly new myself, and i think it's a great place.  i had about 5 people
send me email after my first post, just to say "hi" or "i liked what you
wrote" or whatever, and i really appreciate those kinds of things.  we had
a little discussion a while ago about how most people enjoy getting mail
from "random list members", and i'm sure one of them.  i'm usually a lurker,
just reading, and absorbing all of the knowledge, and laughing at all the
"you know you're a fan when..."  in fact, i'm guilty of the "you want to go
out and buy a guitar so you can learn to play all the ig songs" one, but
unfortunately i have no $$ or time right now.

it's really fun to "meet" so many people on the list, and we seem to be
getting more and more every day, so enjoy it!

sue
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date:         wed, 4 oct 1995 18:28:37 +0500
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              sharon jennings <rcxsj@unix.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         sharon jennings <rcxsj@unix.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk>
subject:      this train (revised)

hi folks,

we have a german post-doc working in the lab at the moment. i'll ask him to
listen to the intro and i'll let you know what he says. watch this space on
monday.

the performing songwriter article that judith posted can also be found on
the lifeblood site:

ftp://www.hidwater.com/hw/ig/articles/94-0304.txt

check the site out for loads and loads of interesting articles. and a huge
round of applause to carolyn spidle and julie at hidden water for putting
the site together.

ps.
judith i don't mean to step on your toes by posting the url for the
article.... just trying to plug the lifeblood site.

sharon

sharon. a. jennings
cancer research campaign laboratories
univesity of nottingham
university park
nottingham
ng7  2rd                   (0115) 9513408
england                (0115) 9513414  (fax)
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date:         wed, 4 oct 1995 12:38:48 -0500
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              horhay <gtuft@niu.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         horhay <gtuft@niu.edu>
subject:      that annoying movie guy

ok then.

due to an overwhelming number(actually just a couple) of responses...
i feel it is my civic duty to respond.
harder you say??

ok. i'll try.  but it's hard trying to guess the movie background of such a
diverse group of people.
(sorry if you think i'm wasting space here...but i'm just-a-havin a bit-o-fun.)

the challange:
"orange whip?  orange whip?  three orange whips."

this is a pretty easy one.  i'll try to make em harder some-later-day(if, in
fact, i don't get a thousand messages telling me to shut up.  in which case
i'll stop like a good little kid.)

just so my message is not completely un-ig rrelated...
what was the official date of the release of 1200 c?  was it yesterday?  is
it the tenth?  so many dates were tossed around, i'm dizzy like.

tanks a bucket-full,
horhay
gtuft@niu.edu
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date:         wed, 4 oct 1995 13:36:23 -24000
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              "judith k. hunter" <jhunter@rtc.gov>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "judith k. hunter" <jhunter@rtc.gov>
subject:      re: ig in baez ad

>and it was a damn good show too.  has anyone bought this cd yet?  i have yet
>to see a review.  do they have anything from the crowd in between songs?  i
>would die if i heard my own voice...


yes, i bought it at tower last tuesday the day it came out...come to think of
it there is somebody yelling "mary, mary...please sit down!" in the crowd
noise.

<kidding>

but i did get it and it is a must have.  the last song "the night they tore
old dixie down" is done acapella and despite some *reviews* to the contrary
on this list, made goosebumps on my arms...eerie and very quinessentially
(!) joan baez.  of course a & e were great!

jude
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date:         wed, 4 oct 1995 13:45:06 -24000
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              "judith k. hunter" <jhunter@rtc.gov>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "judith k. hunter" <jhunter@rtc.gov>
subject:      re: ig in baez ad

let me rephrase that:  the night they drove old dixie down...ahem...
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date:         wed, 4 oct 1995 13:46:56 -24000
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              "judith k. hunter" <jhunter@rtc.gov>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "judith k. hunter" <jhunter@rtc.gov>
subject:      re: uptown lounge video

>hi everybody!  i just have a few quick questions:  is the uptown lounge
>video still available?  i can't find it anywhere.  does anyone know if
>it will be rereleased when the watershed video comes out?

you can order the uptown lounge video through blockbusters--i asked...

jude :)
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date:         wed, 4 oct 1995 12:56:55 -0500
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              jennifer mueller <jmueller@tigger.cc.uic.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         jennifer mueller <jmueller@tigger.cc.uic.edu>
subject:      re: a reply to your reply
x-to:         horhay <gtuft@niu.edu>

>a moviegoing dawn replied to my bit-o-trivia:
>
>>re: "you don't spell it son...you eat it"
>>
>>-sixteen candles am i right?
>>
>>
>
>very good dawn.
>try this:
>(anyone can play this annoying game that i happen to like to play a lot but
>also happen to annoy each of my friends by playing)
>
>"supreme exe'tive power is derived by a mandate from the masses, not from
>some farsical aquatic ceremony."

it's something out of my favorite monty python memory!  king arthur was
trying to tell the peasants that he was their king, and one of them said:
"well i didn't vote for you."  is it monty python and the holy grail?  what
were the coconuts used for?          jmueller

jennifer mueller
office of gay, lesbian and bisexual concerns
university of illinois at chicago
115 s. sangamon st., ste. 101
chicago, il 60607-2615
(312) 413-8619
(312) 996-4688 (fax)
jmueller@uic.edu
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date:         wed, 4 oct 1995 10:53:14 -0800
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              carla williams <cjwilliams@getty.edu>
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from:         carla williams <cjwilliams@getty.edu>
subject:      re: ig in baez ad -reply

i bought the joan baez last week, too, and is it
my imagination or is the applause more
thunderous for the song with ig than all the
others?  was that audience all ig fans or what?
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date:         wed, 4 oct 1995 14:01:14 -0400
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subject:      fwd: (fwd) red wing, update, info

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date: 95-10-04 13:48:04 edt

[being sent to gaynet, homoradio, queerplanet]

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donna red wing, western field director of the gay and lesbian alliance
against defamation collapsed due to a grand mal type seizure related to a
brain tumor this week.  donna's condition is currently officially
stabilized.  an mri and other tests at an indiana hospital indicated one
frontal lobe tumor which is believed to be benign.  however, surgery is
required to protect donna red wings life.

donna's partner, sumitra red wing, flew to indiana, as soon as the news
reached home.  donna had been participating in a pflag convention there as
a trainer and workshop facilitator.  donna and sumitra are expected to
return to portland late on the 3rd of october.  surgery to remove the
tumor will be scheduled soon thereafter.

while glaad provides for health insurance, a multitude of extemporaneous
costs face donna and sumitra red wing as a result of this calamity.
sumitra red wing has authorized ac miller to receive donations on their
behalf.  checks should be made out to "friends of red wing" and mailed to:

friends of red wing
c/o ac miller
5916 ne wygant
portland, or  97218

ac miller will be setting up a trust fund on their behalf from which
health care and expenses related to donna's sudden health condition may
be paid.  any funds left over, when the situation is under control, will
be donated to the non-profit of the red wing's choice.

updates will follow as the story unfolds.  please forward this letter to
lists you know which will have a supportive interest.  the red wings have
made portland their home since 1989 or so and have continued their work
for civil and human rights in this community and beyond.  donna, as
director of the lesbian community project, was instrumental in building
gay/lesbian/bisexual liaisons with the portland police department, the
development of the g/l/b hate crimes reporting line, and leading in
community efforts against anti-gay legislation attempts.  sumitra, often
unheralded while her work and efforts well deserve acclaim, volunteers
much of her time in similar community-based efforts to build support for
human rights, g/l/b safety and protection of *our* pursuit of life,
liberty and happiness.

the red wing's have provided much inspiration and motivation for
activists of all ages in many areas of oregon.  send your acknowledgment
and support in this trying time to "friends of red wing" at the address
above.   i have sent in my $50 donation and hope that you too will
contribute to the lives and interests of marvelous, hard working women.
red wing.


authorized by ac miller for "friends of red wing"

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date:         wed, 4 oct 1995 13:13:50 -0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              jennifer mueller <jmueller@tigger.cc.uic.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         jennifer mueller <jmueller@tigger.cc.uic.edu>
subject:      re: vent.......venting......vented
x-to:         jmcphee884@aol.com

>"dividing life into factions of pleasures and chores, a bed to be made and a
>bed to lie in. a hand on the darker side, and our sights set on zion!"
>                             es

hi.  that is one of my absolute favorite lines.  another is :
"feeding the cancer of my intellect,..." es

is there a good list for just news, not chat about them?

jennifer mueller
office of gay, lesbian and bisexual concerns
university of illinois at chicago
115 s. sangamon st., ste. 101
chicago, il 60607-2615
(312) 413-8619
(312) 996-4688 (fax)
jmueller@uic.edu
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date:         wed, 4 oct 1995 14:24:06 gmt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              wingstar@mulberry.com
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         pat stark <wingstar@mulberry.com>
subject:      re: uptown lounge

hi everybody!  i just have a few quick questions:  is the uptown lounge
>video still available?  i can't find it anywhere.  does anyone know if
>it will be rereleased when the watershed video comes out?

one place you might want to check out is on the net.  it is a place called
noteworthy.  their location is
http://www.netmarket.com/noteworthy/bin/main/:st=tiyy1n7p4xl3.  i got my
copy through them and i belive, if i remember right, that they will also be
carrying watershed and 1200 curfews.

pat
                        "adding up the total of a love that's true
multiply life by the power of two."
                                         e.s.
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date:         wed, 4 oct 1995 10:57:10 -0800
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              carla williams <cjwilliams@getty.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         carla williams <cjwilliams@getty.edu>
subject:      outloud

for those of you who have the outloud
cd, wouldn't it be great to hear ig do a cover
of song #8, "stumbling home?"  i just keep
hearing amy singing it.
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date:         wed, 4 oct 1995 14:25:03 -0400
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              dawn karbler <karblerd@mcnet.marietta.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         dawn karbler <karblerd@mcnet.marietta.edu>
subject:      re: a reply to your reply
x-to:         horhay <gtuft@niu.edu>
in-reply-to:  <9510040221.aa27690@oats>

re: "supreme executive powers..."
-monty python's the holy grail
give me some time on the other one it's not familiar to me

dawn
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date:         wed, 4 oct 1995 11:12:33 -0700
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              "amy j. putnam" <pegasus@crl.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "amy j. putnam" <pegasus@crl.com>
subject:      re: ig in baez ad
x-to:         "judith k. hunter" <jhunter@rtc.gov>
in-reply-to:  <vines.r0w7+trgqka@rtcdc101.rtc.gov>

on wed, 4 oct 1995, judith k. hunter wrote:

>
> but i did get it and it is a must have.  the last song "the night they tore
> old dixie down" is done acapella and despite some *reviews* to the contrary


its acutally "drove" not "tore"

i have to second the endorsement.  much of this album is just stellar.
of course i am biased, but the duet with ig, "dont think twice it's
alright" came out very well.  the only duet that i feel doesnt work
is "diamnds and rust" with mcc>  teh vocals sound muddy to me.  but,
yes this is a must have disc.  stand out tracks that come to mind (i'm
aat work the disc is at home):  willie moore with the mcgarrigles,
ring them bells with mary black, and suzanne.  but realy almost
of all of it sounds just great.

joan will be one of the artists profiled in the nov/dec issue of
performing songwriter, with kd lang on the cover.  i dont know the
exact streetdate, but my guess is late october at the latest.
three of my pics will be in the article: one of joan alone and one
of her with mary black at newport '95 and a 4 voices shot from
newport '93.

amy p.                          /       who holds your hand
pegasus@crl.com                /        when you're alone
                              /
the original photo monk      /                  --patty larkin
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date:         wed, 4 oct 1995 11:12:36 pdt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              ron johnson <ronjohns@microsoft.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         ron johnson <ronjohns@microsoft.com>
subject:      re: that annoying movie guy
x-to:         owner-indigo-girls@netspace.org

me thinks this mayest be an easy one. . .

the blues brothers?

how about this one?

"ed's pa staked us a starter home in suburban tempe."

good luck!

-ron
----------
from: horhay  <gtuft@niu.edu>
to: multiple recipients of list indigo-girls  <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
subject: that annoying movie guy
date: wednesday, october 04, 1995 12:38pm

ok then.

due to an overwhelming number(actually just a couple) of responses...
i feel it is my civic duty to respond.
harder you say??

ok. i'll try.  but it's hard trying to guess the movie background of such a
diverse group of people.
(sorry if you think i'm wasting space here...but i'm just-a-havin a bit-o-fun.)

the challange:
"orange whip?  orange whip?  three orange whips."

this is a pretty easy one.  i'll try to make em harder some-later-day(if, in
fact, i don't get a thousand messages telling me to shut up.  in which case
i'll stop like a good little kid.)

just so my message is not completely un-ig rrelated...
what was the official date of the release of 1200 c?  was it yesterday?  is
it the tenth?  so many dates were tossed around, i'm dizzy like.

tanks a bucket-full,
horhay
gtuft@niu.edu
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date:         wed, 4 oct 1995 15:00:47 edt
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              mary clark <mryclrk@eden.rutgers.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         mary clark <mryclrk@eden.rutgers.edu>
subject:      re: ig in baez ad -reply
x-to:         indigo girls mailing list
              <indigo-girls%netspace.org@rutvm1.rutgers.edu>,
              carla williams <cjwilliams@getty.edu>
in-reply-to:  your message of wed, 4 oct 1995 10:53:14 -0800

no, the audience at the joan baez show was not at all exclusively ig fans.
in fact most of the people there had no idea who they were.  it was very very
small, a sit-down restaurant type place, and there was one table of teen ig
fans trying to outdo each other with obsure song references, and then there
was me.  this show was the site of my great accomplishment in life; when joan
was kidding a&e that they were used to having a score of drooling fans
crowded around the stage (hence their pissing-in-pants nervousness, which was
adorable) i yelled mosh pit.  and amy looked at me and smiled.  sorry to all
the people who've heard this story, but i take every opportunity i find to
tell it again.
   the extra applause heard on the ig songs could be due to the fact that it
was one of the best ones all night, biases aside.  i still wish i could get
the full show itself, cause there's a great song called "coconuts" that ig do
backup on that is a must for every fan.
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date:         wed, 4 oct 1995 19:19:25 +0500
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              sharon jennings <rcxsj@unix.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         sharon jennings <rcxsj@unix.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk>
subject:      re: uptown lounge video
x-to:         sue steinike <steinike@mace.cc.purdue.edu>

>hi everybody!  i just have a few quick questions:  is the uptown lounge
>video still available?  i can't find it anywhere.  does anyone know if
>it will be rereleased when the watershed video comes out?

live at the uptown lounge was only available on the pal format in the uk
for a limited time.... it's really hard to find it here now. but i thought
that there was a sony telephone  number for ordering copies in the usa.
i've got the number somewhere at home. someone actually in the usa will
probably be better at answering this one?

i believe that, that sony number is in the rites of passage album/cd
booklet.... right on the last page where they list all the available
material. but then again it could be on one of the newsletters or in the
rites tour book. i know it's on one of these things but i can't remember
which one at the moment. someone else want to confirm this?

sharon
(must get back to running my *exciting* flash column now.... it's not
exciting at all really.)


sharon. a. jennings
cancer research campaign laboratories
univesity of nottingham
university park
nottingham
ng7  2rd                   (0115) 9513408
england                (0115) 9513414  (fax)
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date:         wed, 4 oct 1995 19:50:55 +0100
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              mts5@aber.ac.uk
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         matthew joseph smith <mts5@aber.ac.uk>
subject:      re: ig in baez ad
x-to:         mary clark <mryclrk@eden.rutgers.edu>

>and it was a damn good show too.  has anyone bought this cd yet?  i have yet
>to see a review.  do they have anything from the crowd in between songs?  i
>would die if i heard my own voice...
>
review of joan baez, bottom line, in mojo magazine (no. 19, june 1995)

when joan baez, struggling to read a cue sheet, acknowledged that being "a
certain age" meant a dimming of her visual faculties, the audience at nyc's
bottom line laughed in recognition.   singer and audience have grown up
together and, after 35 years, are well acquainted.   but while many in the
capacity crowd looked as though they'd enjoyed "breakfast in bed for
400,000" at woodstock '69, a sizeable number could easily have been
conceived during the long lie-in.   standing at the bar was a couple in
their mid 20s:  the man held his girlfriend's hand as, with the other, she
wiped away a torrent of tears that came with suzanne [by leonard cohen].
sighed a critic, up from washington dc to cover the event, "hearing that you
wonder why judy collins ever bothered."

baez's eyesight may not be what it was but her voice remains undiminished by
the passing years.   undoubtedly it is changed, but in many ways for the
better.  the coarseness that marked some of her '70s recordings, the
ungainly break - these problems have been attended to and daily vocal
workouts have paid dividends.   the "achingly pure soprano" of the early 60s
is these days merely pure, enhanced now by a sonorous contralto whose range
to tone colour and surety of pitch at its best knocks dame kiri [te kanawa,
opera singer] into a cocked hat.

whereas once baez relied on the ethereal beauty of her voice to carry songs
from which she remained clinically detached, these days she is musically
engaged.   part of her appeal (paradoxically, the reason many people could
not abide her) has always been her political committment.   but moral
courage frequently lead to unwise artistic decisions and, even in concert,
music sometimes ran a poor second to humanitarian concerns.   for the moment
at least, politics is on the back-burner and the bottom line the closest
baez came to social comment was a dig at california-style political
correctness and an exemplary performance of eric bogle's chilling and the
band played waltzing matilda.

the 4 concerts, recorded for a live album to be released this autumn, were
the talk of new york.   harvard square, boston, was where the teenage baez
first paraded her then-meagre repertoire but greenwich village was where she
and a whole generation of singer-songwriters came of age.   in playing the
club, on the hallowed ground of west 4th and mercer, baez at once
acknowledged her past (interestingly, dylan's name was never mentioned) and
looked toward the future, sharing the stage with her younger contemporary,
janis ian, sister mimi farina, the long-serving mary black and such new wave
folkies as mary chapin carpenter and the indigo girls.

the opening night started a touch tentatively - hardly surprising, given the
presence of more than 40 critics - baez disguising her nerves with
self-deprecating humour.   traditional folk-songs from her earliest albums
shone like new:  mary hamilton (1960), lily of the west (1961), geordie
(1962).   old songs new to baez werre enthusiastically received, notably
phil ochs's "when i'm gone" and tim hardin's "don't make promises".   from
her own back catalogue, baez blew the dust off sweet sir galahad ("the first
song i wrote which i sang outside the shower"), honest lullaby, a re-worked
lovesong to a stranger, and i'm with you from her last album, play me backwards.

such numbers provided the framework for the first two concerts, with baez
departing from schedule to oblige with the occasional request.   a solo
performer for many years, she is per-force a skilled instrumentalist, her
intricate guitar work effectively providing both lead and rhythm.   but the
inspired suport of fernando saunders on fretless electric bass, paul pesco
on acoustic guitar and percussionist carol steele made for many more musical
possibilities and some damn fine backing vocals.

of her guests only kate & anna mcgarrigle disappointed and their
disappearance in the mix was no great loss.   on the same bill mary chapin
carpenter was splendid, her voice blending perfectly with baez's.   their
shared roots showed in a performance of angel band, a gospel standard,
followed by stones in the road, which carpenter gave to baez before
recording it herself.   diamonds and rust was 24 carat, and when baez
punctured any encroaching air of sentimentality by changing the last line to
"well, i'll take the diamonds,", the audience erupted.   [anyone tell me
what that line said originally?]

as for mary black, until 4 hours before showtime she'd not sung a note with
baez - a surprise to anyone who heard them perform bob dylan's "ring them
bells" and phil colclough's "song for ireland", which the american had
learned in tribute to black that very afternoon.   but by far the most
exciting collaboration was that between baez and janis ian, whose verbal and
musical knockabout (a spontaneous burlesque of on the street where you live)
could only come from two performers totally at ease on stage.   the readings
of ian's amsterdam and jesse, with the composer on first guitar and then
piano, were supercharged and there can be no doubt that janis ian is one of
contemporary music's great song writers.

when these concerts affirmed was that great talent, like good wine, mellows
and matures.   musically speaking, age brings added perception, a more
subtle performance in which influences have long been effortlessly blended.
greenwich village, a romantic bohemia that each generation discovers anew,
was where the baez vintage was laid down and by returning to record an album
and to work with artists scarcely born when she last performed there, the
singer emphasised popular music's continuum.

dylan unplugged merely short-circuited.   with baez you could feel the
electricity.

(written by liz thompson.)

mat
mts5@aber.ac.uk
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date:         wed, 4 oct 1995 12:08:15 -0700
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              be nice!! <emjay@netcom.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         be nice!! <emjay@netcom.com>
subject:      re: that annoying movie guy
in-reply-to:  <9510041944.aa12536@netmail2.microsoft.com>

as if we needed further proof that this list is dead...
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date:         wed, 4 oct 1995 15:21:22 edt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              deb <st000051@brownvm.brown.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         deb <st000051@brownvm.brown.edu>
subject:      re: uptown lounge video
x-to:         sharon jennings <rcxsj@unix.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk>
in-reply-to:  message of wed, 4 oct 1995 19:19:25 +0500 from
              <rcxsj@unix.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk>

on wed, 4 oct 1995 19:19:25 +0500 sharon jennings said:
>
>live at the uptown lounge was only available on the pal format in the uk
>for a limited time.... it's really hard to find it here now. but i thought
>that there was a sony telephone  number for ordering copies in the usa.
>i've got the number somewhere at home. someone actually in the usa will
>probably be better at answering this one?
>
well, i was just at a strawberries (in massachusetts) and i saw uptown lounge
out there - does that answer it?

debbie
toadstool@brown.edu
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date:         wed, 4 oct 1995 13:14:45 -0700
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              "teresa c. esguerra" <sac83826@saclink1.csus.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "teresa c. esguerra" <sac83826@saclink1.csus.edu>
subject:      re: uptown lounge video
x-to:         sue steinike <steinike@mace.cc.purdue.edu>
in-reply-to:  <199510041726.maa03153@mace.cc.purdue.edu>

on wed, 4 oct 1995, sue steinike wrote:

> hi everybody!  i just have a few quick questions:  is the uptown lounge
> video still available?  i can't find it anywhere.  does anyone know if
> it will be rereleased when the watershed video comes out?

        i've seen the uptown lounge video everywhere.  in fact, when i
was searching for watershed last winter, the people at various record
stores told me that the only ig video they've ordered for that month was
latul.  so, to my knowledge, the video has never been taken off the shelves.

        you might want to try the tower records 1 800 number.  they're
pretty slow, but it'll probably be the easiest thing if you can't find it
in your area...

peace and hair grease,
teri
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date:         wed, 4 oct 1995 16:28:38 edt
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              lorinda wright <lw01@lehigh.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         lorinda wright <lw01@lehigh.edu>
subject:      re: ig in baez ad -reply
x-to:         mary clark <mryclrk@eden.rutgers.edu>

>was one of the best ones all night, biases aside.  i still wish i could get
>the full show itself, cause there's a great song called "coconuts" that ig do
>backup on that is a must for every fan.

i've got that song. ya want it? you're right. it's absolutely adorable.
folkisgruven,
lorindigo
(who's probably really shooting herself in the foot here, but oh well.)

iwillnotbecomplacentiwillnotbecomplacentiwillnotbecomplacentiwillnotbecomplac
w                                                                           e
i lorinda wright           "learn to pretend there's more than love that    n
l lw01@lehigh.edu           matters. -e.s.                                  t
l lehigh university                                                         i
n bethlehem, pa                                                             w
o                        "a ghost of comfort, angel's breath to keep this   i
t                         life inside my chest." -a.r.                      l
b                                                                           l
e      "a thousand guitar strings - amy ; two guitar strings - emily        n
c                                                                           o
omplacentiwillnotbecomplacentiwillnotbecomplacentiwillnotbecomplacentiwillnot
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date:         wed, 4 oct 1995 13:37:21 -0700
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              "teresa c. esguerra" <sac83826@saclink1.csus.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "teresa c. esguerra" <sac83826@saclink1.csus.edu>
subject:      a+e=disney

nhello all,
        i've ordered disney for the month just for amy and emily (but i
have to admit that the winnie the pooh reruns are a hoot...) and have
decided to add yet another you know youu're an ig fan if... to the list...

        you know you're an ig fan if you incessantly record disney channel
        commercials in hopes of catchinng the slightest bit on the ig
        special and are estatic when you do get one on tape that shows
        a + e for a grand total of .68 seconds (no, the decimal point is
        not in the wrong place)...

        for the newly subscribe disney channel watchers, there's a
commercial set to that song "good thing" (done by fine young cannibals a
while back) that shows amy for about .35 seconds in the beginning.  she's
wearing her cool red beatle/sgt. pepperish jacket and she's against a
white background.  i'm not sure if it's from a video because it doesn't
look that familiar.
        further into this 1 minute commercial, they're listing all their
specials for that month and then for an additional .33 seconds, there's a
snippet of the "power of two" video (i've never seen it but ffriends have
described it to me as dark and moody, and i see that both have their
guitars capoed at the fifth fret, hence, my deduction...) and then they
flash "indigo girls in london"....
        i know all this because i have recorded the damn commercial and
went through the entire thing in slow motion....
        i think i need a life...

peace, hair grease, and john cleese,
teri
=========================================================================
date:         wed, 4 oct 1995 15:43:21 -0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              stephanie parsons <parsonss@it.uwp.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         stephanie parsons <parsonss@it.uwp.edu>
subject:      the stuff i found today

well...i am not too worried about details because i think yall know this
already but while looking through the www i found that the girls are
going to be on a cd singing this train/jacobs ladder recorded in london
in 94...also...ferrick will be on it with one of her rockin songs and the
girls are also on another cd...rock for choice 3 i think its called
singing one of ferrons songs...it wont take long i think is what it is
called....brains tired but i thought i would post...also pictures of amy
and emily as little little kids
bye
steph
=========================================================================
date:         wed, 4 oct 1995 16:36:55 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              imgalileo@aol.com
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         imgalileo@aol.com
subject:      daily update
x-to:         km5@ornl.gov
x-cc:         plaine@seaccd.sccd.ctc.edu, pmrlm1@gannonlab.gannon.edu,
              jmcphee884@aol.com, benh@inlink.com, mrbcom@earthlink.net,
              kking@hiwaay.net, vanhemel@posh.internext.com,
              deannal@parallel.park.uga.edu, locshoot@aol.com,
              nlyng@postoffice.ptd.net, jone3176@saintmarys.edu,
              napikosk@chaph.usc.edu, ph21nh@ph.surrey.ac.uk, debbie@mei.com,
              ecooper@ljcrf.edu, carrieb@gladstone.uoregon.edu,
              yvzy46a@prodigy.com, hrstruggle@aol.com, espizz@simons-rock.edu,
              hummella@craft.camp.clarkson.edu, rickfstr@vnet.ibm.com,
              underdog@onramp.net, esf3764@utarlg.uta.edu,
              rcxsj@unix.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk, gaukroge@students.uiuc.edu,
              guinione@aol.com

daily update

auction ends 11:59 pm  saturday, october 6th, 95

please remember - cashier's checks or money orders only for payment from high
bid winners. i will update daily.

* a new
item..........................................................................
..................
'tame yourself' cassette ,  out of print. rare
indigo girls & michael stipe (r.e.m.)  sing "i'll give you my skin"
plus 13 other songs by various singers. still sealed !
--------------------------------------------------------
club r & r -  rare cd promo ...............................$76 (go girrrl)
--------------------------------------------------------
three hits promotional cd  - full color picture insert
studio version of  "three hits", the rest are live cuts "joking",
"galileo", "ghost", "jonas & ezekial"   -  3 copies available
$25 (dianne)  $30 (paula)  $30 (rick)
--------------------------------------------------------
4.5 uk greatest hits promo - rare
(15 track fold out custom promo w/ biography of their career)
$38 (carolyn)
--------------------------------------------------------
closer to fine uk release promo - rare
(pulled from production - unreleased)
$32 (carolyn)
--------------------------------------------------------

please email privately

im galileo
=========================================================================
date:         wed, 4 oct 1995 15:56:18 -0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              horhay <khockin@niu.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         horhay <khockin@niu.edu>
subject:      re: re...ect.
x-to:         ron johnson <ronjohns@microsoft.com>

>me thinks this mayest be an easy one. . .
>
>the blues brothers?
>
>how about this one?
>
>"ed's pa staked us a starter home in suburban tempe."
>
>good luck!
>
>-ron
>----------

raising arizona
starring
nicholas cage & holly hunter
1987 circle films
directed by joel coen
written by the coen bros.

????????

mjh
=========================================================================
date:         wed, 4 oct 1995 16:03:54 -0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              horhay <gtuft@niu.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         horhay <gtuft@niu.edu>
subject:      re: that annoying movie guy
x-to:         be nice!! <emjay@netcom.com>

a very lovely beam of sunshine once wrote:

>as if we needed further proof that this list is dead...

ahhhh..aren't we a bundle of fun.
perhaps somebody on this list needs a nap...

mjh
=========================================================================
date:         wed, 4 oct 1995 17:16:43 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              cojehali@aol.com
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "<connie lindell>" <cojehali@aol.com>
subject:      re: gay/lesbian sections and personal courage

regarding the following quote and the various replies generated from it...

>>incidentally, not everyone who wouldn't want to be seen in a gay/lesbian
>>section is narrow minded, or indeed would throw away their record if they
>>found a gay lyric in it.   homophobia doesn't stop at harassing gays.   it
>>also involves "freezing out" people who show the slightest sign of going
>>"that way".  ........... sure, i like a lot of the music
>>that would be found in such a section, and wouldn't mind spending my money
>>on it, but when someone next day says, "what were you doing in the gay
>>section of hmv (or wherever)", i might have a job explaining to them that
it
>>was the music that i was after.

i've been following this thread with some interest for a while now and just
felt the need to  put ny $.02 in.....

although i would probably be categorized as "straight" (whatever that really
means), i've always been proud to loudly proclaim my love for the ig's and
their music to anyone who will listen.  their music touches my soul, and it
really has little to do with their (or my) sexual orientation, except that i
admire their courage in 'coming out' and wish that more people could live
their lives by their example - with honesty, and pride.  as for people who
might "freeze me out" because i was buying music from the "gay" section, or
because i was seen hanging out with my gay/lesbian friends, well those people
aren't ones i would want to associate with anyway.  narrow-mindedness in
people, whether gay/straight/bi/whatever, is one of my very least favorite
things.  in a world so full of hate crimes and social ills, i think it's a
terrible shame for anybody to criticize somebody because of who they love.

that's it - thanks for letting me vent...:)
-connie
=========================================================================
date:         wed, 4 oct 1995 16:33:53 -0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              jamie suthard <suthardj@southwestern.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         jamie suthard <suthardj@southwestern.edu>
subject:      re: birthdays?
x-to:         horhay <gtuft@niu.edu>
in-reply-to:  <v02110104ac9861cc4061@[131.156.88.22]>

hey y'all:

when are amy's and emily's birthdays??

js
=========================================================================
date:         wed, 4 oct 1995 14:10:44 -0700
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              be nice!! <emjay@netcom.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         be nice!! <emjay@netcom.com>
subject:      re: that annoying movie guy
x-to:         horhay <gtuft@niu.edu>
in-reply-to:  <v02110104ac9861cc4061@[131.156.88.22]>

on wed, 4 oct 1995, horhay wrote:

> a very lovely beam of sunshine once wrote:
>
> >as if we needed further proof that this list is dead...
>
> ahhhh..aren't we a bundle of fun.
> perhaps somebody on this list needs a nap...
>
perhaps somebody on this list needs to quit posting irrelevant crap here.
=========================================================================
date:         wed, 4 oct 1995 17:41:41 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              elise <emf@lightlink.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         elise <emf@lightlink.com>

-----------------"indigo" girls cover tape
ronald e. wesche jr.
=========================================================================
date:         wed, 4 oct 1995 14:34:49 pdt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              ron johnson <ronjohns@microsoft.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         ron johnson <ronjohns@microsoft.com>
subject:      re: re...ect.
x-to:         khockin@niu.edu

correctomundo!!!
----------
from: horhay  <khockin@niu.edu>
to: indigo girls mailing list  <indigo-girls@netspace.org>; ron johnson
subject: re:re:re...ect.
date: wednesday, october 04, 1995 3:56pm

>me thinks this mayest be an easy one. . .
>
>the blues brothers?
>
>how about this one?
>
>"ed's pa staked us a starter home in suburban tempe."
>
>good luck!
>
>-ron
>----------

raising arizona
starring
nicholas cage & holly hunter
1987 circle films
directed by joel coen
written by the coen bros.

????????

mjh
=========================================================================
date:         wed, 4 oct 1995 23:14:55 +0100
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              mts5@aber.ac.uk
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         matthew joseph smith <mts5@aber.ac.uk>
subject:      re: ig in baez ad
x-to:         "amy j. putnam" <pegasus@crl.com>

from amy j. putnam:

>yes this is a must have disc.  stand out tracks that come to mind (i'm
>aat work the disc is at home):  willie moore with the mcgarrigles,
>ring them bells with mary black, and suzanne.  but realy almost
>of all of it sounds just great.
>

yes, amy ... and what did the mcgarrigles do which liz thompson could
classify as "disappointing"?   they weren't "disappeared in the mix" at all,
and i think that track was one of the best.   but ring them bells ... no
way.   not if you've heard the original, at least.

i think lily of the west, you're aging well and don't think twice ... are
the best tracks (and not just because the igs are on the third!).   they
just seem to have the most spirited and best-worked performances.   i just
love those three-way harmonies. actually, welcome me is probably not one of
the best ... it does the song a disservice, and isn't distinctive apart from
being the only song on the album with a male solo vocal (although they don't
tell us whether it's fernando saunders or paul pesco).   and the
ladadadeeeeeeee in the middle bit is dire. and why weren't the indigos
invited to play on their own song, for christ's sake?   and where's mary
chapin carpenter disappeared to on diamonds and rust - you can barely hear
her voice or guitar!

anyway, i've got to get my sleep.   see y'all (?) tomorrow.

mat
mts5@aber.ac.uk

p.s. thanks amy.   i'll have to listen to it again now.
=========================================================================
date:         wed, 4 oct 1995 18:14:31 edt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              debbie <st000051@brownvm.brown.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         debbie <st000051@brownvm.brown.edu>
subject:      still embarrassed but i've got a question

hey all!

(did i spell embarrassed right?)  <-- no that's not my question...

well, i actually understand most of the references in the most recent "you
know you're an indigo girls fan when..." lists,  but i've got a question:
(this will probably just show off my ignorance, but...)  what are the
references to the names "cooper" and "sue" that seem to be making all you
folks pretty upset?  (should i be upset by them? i have no idea who they
are...?????   help a clueless fan!)

thanks, folks - and if it's something that's painfully obvious to everyone
else, just email me privately (i dont want to fill everyone's mailboxes
unnecessarily!)

thanks, folks!

debbie
toadstool@brown.edu
=========================================================================
date:         wed, 4 oct 1995 18:29:05 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              christy m diefenderfer <cmdst30+@pitt.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         christy m diefenderfer <cmdst30+@pitt.edu>
subject:      hello
x-to:         jamie suthard <suthardj@southwestern.edu>
in-reply-to:  <pine.hpp.3.91.951004163256.4729b-100000@ralph.southwestern.edu>

hello everyone,
        hi!  my name is christy.  i've been on the list for over a week
and i decided that it was about time for me to introduce myself.  i
really love the list.  you all seem really cool!  i am so glad to be on
it because being here in pittsburgh i feel very far away from indigo girl
fans although i'm sure they are lurking around here somewhere.
        here's an addition to you know your an indigo girls fan when:
you go to atlanta with your main purposes being to find the common pond
because susan owns it so they must have been there...well i didn't see
them but it was a really cool store!
        six more days....
love, christy:->
cmdst30@pitt.edu
so don't be throwing stones, the closer we get, the harder they come" amy ray
=========================================================================
date:         wed, 4 oct 1995 15:35:35 -0700
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              laura kearney <laura_kearney.pathmail@quickmail.ucsf.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         laura kearney <laura_kearney.pathmail@quickmail.ucsf.edu>
subject:      re: gay/lesbian sections and

mail*link(r) smtp               re>gay/lesbian sections and personal courage

connie wrote:

>although i would probably be categorized as "straight" (whatever that really
>means), i've always been proud to loudly proclaim my love for the ig's and
>their music to anyone who will listen.  their music touches my soul, and it
>really has little to do with their (or my) sexual orientation, except that i
>admire their courage in 'coming out' and wish that more people could live
>their lives by their example - with honesty, and pride.  as for people who
>might "freeze me out" because i was buying music from the "gay" section, or
>because i was seen hanging out with my gay/lesbian friends, well those people
>aren't ones i would want to associate with anyway.  narrow-mindedness in
>people, whether gay/straight/bi/whatever, is one of my very least favorite
>things.  in a world so full of hate crimes and social ills, i think it's a
>terrible shame for anybody to criticize somebody because of who they love.

>that's it - thanks for letting me vent...:)
>-connie

i completely agree with you. as a lesbian who likes "straight" music as well
"lesbian" music, "narrow-minded" people, regardless of sexual orientation,are
not worth the time or effort.
laura
=========================================================================
date:         wed, 4 oct 1995 15:40:37 -0800
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              carla williams <cjwilliams@getty.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         carla williams <cjwilliams@getty.edu>
subject:      still embarrassed but i've got a question -reply

cooper seay, of the band viva la diva, is
amy's girlfriend.  sue was emily's.
=========================================================================
date:         wed, 4 oct 1995 15:51:39 -0800
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              carla williams <cjwilliams@getty.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         carla williams <cjwilliams@getty.edu>
subject:      oops

i guess we all do it at some point -- that last
message wasn't supposed to be for the list --
only for deb at brown university -- my
apologies -- please disregard!
=========================================================================
date:         wed, 4 oct 1995 15:31:21 pdt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              ron johnson <ronjohns@microsoft.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         ron johnson <ronjohns@microsoft.com>
subject:      re: gay/lesbian sections and personal courage
x-to:         owner-indigo-girls@netspace.org

right on!!!  my bottom line is where ever the music is put, that's
where i'm going to buy it.  "i have no need for anger with intimate
strangers, i've got nothing to hide."  i don't really understand why
the music being labeled in that manner but i'm sure as hell not going
to put up with repercussions from bigots and narrow minded fools.

are people going to "freeze out" others for looking through music in
the asian,  african, or european sections?  i doubt it.  and the
question,  "what were you doing in the gay section of hmv (or
wherever)" is easily responded to by saying "buying my choice of music,
just like everyone else in the store."  let's stand up for each other
and do the right thing.

"a peaceful place, or so it looks from space"

peace-
ron
----------
from: owner-indigo-girls@netspace.org
to: multiple recipients of list indigo-girls  <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
subject: re: gay/lesbian sections and personal courage
date: wednesday, october 04, 1995 5:16pm

regarding the following quote and the various replies generated from it...

>>incidentally, not everyone who wouldn't want to be seen in a gay/lesbian
>>section is narrow minded, or indeed would throw away their record if they
>>found a gay lyric in it.   homophobia doesn't stop at harassing gays.   it
>>also involves "freezing out" people who show the slightest sign of going
>>"that way".  ........... sure, i like a lot of the music
>>that would be found in such a section, and wouldn't mind spending my money
>>on it, but when someone next day says, "what were you doing in the gay
>>section of hmv (or wherever)", i might have a job explaining to them that
it
>>was the music that i was after.

i've been following this thread with some interest for a while now and just
felt the need to  put ny $.02 in.....

although i would probably be categorized as "straight" (whatever that really
means), i've always been proud to loudly proclaim my love for the ig's and
their music to anyone who will listen.  their music touches my soul, and it
really has little to do with their (or my) sexual orientation, except that i
admire their courage in 'coming out' and wish that more people could live
their lives by their example - with honesty, and pride.  as for people who
might "freeze me out" because i was buying music from the "gay" section, or
because i was seen hanging out with my gay/lesbian friends, well those people
aren't ones i would want to associate with anyway.  narrow-mindedness in
people, whether gay/straight/bi/whatever, is one of my very least favorite
things.  in a world so full of hate crimes and social ills, i think it's a
terrible shame for anybody to criticize somebody because of who they love.

that's it - thanks for letting me vent...:)
-connie
=========================================================================
date:         wed, 4 oct 1995 18:57:50 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              moonjuicej@aol.com
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         julie peel <moonjuicej@aol.com>
subject:      re: my take on the auctions

just my slant on the suctions.

i don't mind seeing the objects that people have available during auctions.
even if i don't want to bid, it is interesting to see what's out there.

always question,

julie
=========================================================================
date:         wed, 4 oct 1995 19:12:06 edt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              shannon cassaday <daisyday@eden.rutgers.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         shannon cassaday <daisyday@eden.rutgers.edu>
subject:      re: nigc: commonbond
x-to:         indigo girls mailing list
              <indigo-girls%netspace.org@rutvm1.rutgers.edu>, guinione@aol.com
in-reply-to:  your message of tue, 3 oct 1995 21:25:44 -0400

who are mary beth and chris?
=========================================================================
date:         wed, 4 oct 1995 16:20:44 -0700
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              laurie higgins <stompbox@ix.netcom.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         laurie higgins <stompbox@ix.netcom.com>
subject:      re: that annoying movie guy

you wrote:
>
>as if we needed further proof that this list is dead...
>

........oh be nice!  :)
=========================================================================
date:         wed, 4 oct 1995 19:14:59 edt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              yen m tang <ymt2@lehigh.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         yen m tang <ymt2@lehigh.edu>
subject:      it won't take long lyrics

hey people
someone asked for the lyrics to 'it won't take long' by ferron. i don't
remember who asked for it. i won't waste bandwith by posting it, cause it's
long. ironic song title, eh? but if that person still would like it, please
email me. or anyone else, of course.

yen m tang
ymt2@lehigh.edu

"what i won't give to have the things that mean
the most not to mean the things i miss."
    --e.s. "language or the kiss"
=========================================================================
date:         wed, 4 oct 1995 18:33:57 -0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              rascal@vax1.bemidji.msus.edu
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         brooke ann foster <rascal@vax1.bemidji.msus.edu>
subject:      re: that annoying movie guy
x-to:         emjay@netcom.com

>> a very lovely beam of sunshine once wrote:
>>
>> >as if we needed further proof that this list is dead...
>>
>> ahhhh..aren't we a bundle of fun.
>> perhaps somebody on this list needs a nap...
>>
>perhaps somebody on this list needs to quit posting irrelevant crap here.

okay, here's an idea! when you see the subject movie or that annoying movie
guy , automatically delete it!!!!!  then you dont have to waste your precious
time reading it, and those of us who like this little bit of trivia can
keep the game up.

good grief!

i know this is an ig list, but a trivia question here and there that is not
of ig content will not kill anyone.  can we agree to limit the posting to one
a day and email back answers privatly?  i like the occasional movie trivia
question.

also, if you have a problem with the relevancy of the postings on this list,
fine, unsubscribe.  or just tell someone, e-mail whoever made the post
(privatly) and politly share your opinion.  but there is no reason to get so
nasty and rude about it.

sorry guys, i just have a sore spot for rudness... (and an extream tendency to
misspell everything! :)

okay, i get off my high horse now.

peace y'all!

brooke

"no one can ever get anywhere in life without a teacher.  why then is
teaching such an underpaid and underrespected job?"
                                - brooke ann foster

"to be, oh, a part of the state
to be known as a great pioneer"
                                - air supply

love is the purest form of god we have on earth.

"believe that you care
but do you care enough
where's your conviction of the heart"
                                - kenny loggins
=========================================================================
date:         wed, 4 oct 1995 20:15:32 edt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              "christopher m. becker" <cmbecker@space.mit.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "christopher m. becker" <cmbecker@space.mit.edu>
subject:      nigc re: that annoying movie guy
in-reply-to:  <951004183358.3ba6@vax1.bemidji.msus.edu>; from "brooke ann
              foster" at oct 4, 95 6:33 pm

> okay, here's an idea! when you see the subject movie or that annoying movie
> guy , automatically delete it!!!!!  then you dont have to waste your precious
> time reading it, and those of us who like this little bit of trivia can
> keep the game up.

while i agree (heck, i was one of the originators of that infamous
"save the tan m&m" thread), this brings the opportunity to
mention the most important acronymn on the list:

                                nigc

which stands for "no indigo girls content."  the tradition of the list
is to put nigc in the subject line of posts which have little or
nothing to do with the girls.  it gives thouse who read this list
primarily for information (not me ;)) a reasonable chance to delete
messages they don't care about and still keep up with all the ig news
they can handle.

  btw, this is not meant as a flame!  its fall, lots of poeple are
getting school accounts and the subscription rate to the liust goes
way up (welcome all you new folks =)).  at the same time, the list has
been about a while and has developed a nettiqutte by convention.

                                -- chris

p.s. horhay, you should pick more difficult movies than the blues
brothers or anything python did.  lots of people have those cult films
memorized word for word.  if you want the script to mp:thg, i have it
on line....

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christopher m. becker                       "trying to read the greek
mit center for space research                 upon the stars...."
cmbecker@space.mit.edu                           -- e. saliers

        http://www.mit.edu:8001/people/cmbecker/home.html     [my homepage]
  http://www.mit.edu:8001/people/cmbecker/nields/nields.html [nields' page]
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date:         wed, 4 oct 1995 20:58:08 +0600
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              jack mitchell <jamitch3@vt.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         jack mitchell <jamitch3@vt.edu>
subject:      re: that annoying movie guy
x-to:         rascal@vax1.bemidji.msus.edu

>
>love is the purest form of god we have on earth.
>

that's a neat quote--where'd it come from.

jack
________________________________________________________
jack mitchell
jamitch3@vt.edu
106 west eggleston hall
virginia tech
blacksburg, va 24060-0020
phone: (540) 232-6371
http://www.sv.vt.edu/mitchell/

the best is perhaps what we understand least.
                                    --c.s. lewis
=========================================================================
date:         wed, 4 oct 1995 19:40:29 -0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              alycia n broz <anb038@nwu.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         alycia n broz <anb038@nwu.edu>
subject:      shawn colvin (sp??)

        just thought i'd let you know what i heard on the radio today.
        this thursday night, on chicago's pbs station, channel 11 at 11:15pm, there will be a documentary entitled "just passing through."  it follows shawn and others as they tour the country.
        check your local listings.
anb
=========================================================================
date:         thu, 5 oct 1995 08:34:01 +0800
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              amanda hayman <ath@gol.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         amanda hayman <ath@gol.com>
subject:      re: birthdays?

>hey y'all:
>
>when are amy's and emily's birthdays??
>
>js


and does anyone know, or know how i can find out, the *time* they were born
-  i'm an astrologer who'd like to do their birthcharts.
=========================================================================
date:         thu, 5 oct 1995 08:33:57 +0800
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              amanda hayman <ath@gol.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         amanda hayman <ath@gol.com>
subject:      re: outloud

>for those of you who have the outloud
>cd, wouldn't it be great to hear ig do a cover
>of song #8, "stumbling home?"  i just keep
>hearing amy singing it.


talking about covers, i've always that, what with ig being such big dylan
fans and all, it would be great if they did "lay lady lay", with amy
singing solo.
=========================================================================
date:         wed, 4 oct 1995 22:03:33 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              margaret clayton <maclayto@mhc.mtholyoke.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         margaret clayton <maclayto@mhc.mtholyoke.edu>
subject:      cover tape, fashion advice needed

hi, everyone.  this is the last cover tape announcement that will be
going out officially so save it if you haven't ordered yet and think you
will.

fashion advice needed:  i will be in atlanta this weekend for my sister's
wedding.  i need to buy a silk blouse, a shell type thing, to go with a
velvet vest and black palazzo pants.  has anyone seen anything like this
in atlanta--i.e., do you remember where so i can make a b-line for that
store, cus i'll only have about 2 hours and hence the reason i'm posting
to the list.  sorry!  this is outrageous :(

margaret


       well, believe it or not, the cover tape is finally ready!!

what:  cover me grey (title by greg flamer, rock on) is a compilation of
songs that ig have covered and not recorded (with one exception).  it was
put together for pleasure, not profit.  i will be posting this exact
message periodically over the next few weeks.  it has a wicked cool
insert (grey paper--get it?) with artwork designed by ig fans as well as
the lyrics to all the songs included on the tape.  the songs are:

side a
american tune (autzen stadium, eugene, or, 8/22/93)
love of the common people (reverse-1)
cortez the killer (the palace, new haven, ct, 4/24/95, with michelle malone)
summertime (athens music festival, athens, ga, 9/25/88, with michael stipe)
bury my heart at wounded knee (radio 1, england, 6/23/95, no band)
bartender's blues (central park, ny, ny, 9/20/92, with sara lee)
water is wide (club r&r)
wild horses (the palace, new haven, ct, 4/24/95, with michelle malone)
thin line (the backyard (soundcheck), austin, tx, 9/1/94)
melissa (shades)

side b
wild, wild party at the loquat tree (put on your green shoes)
southern man (radio city music hall, ny, ny, 6/28/94, with cooper tisdale
        and kristen hall)
house at pooh corner (shades)
daddy's all gone (shades)
river (toad's place, new haven, ct, 12/9/90)
hairshirt (athens music festival, athens, ga, 9/25/88)
the weakness in me (live at san francisco epic promo--awesome)
down by the river (live at san francisco promo--awesome)
mona lisas and mad hatters (reverse-1)
midnight train to georgia (the palace, new haven, ct, 4/24/95, with gail
        andorsey and jimmy descant)
finlandia (the pier, seattle, wa, 8/17/94, with caroline aiken)


some of the songs on this tape are versions that are to die for.  some
are not.  :)  i did the best i could, listening to sometimes 8 different
versions of a song trying to decide which one to use.  i am pleased to
say that there is only one song that, to me, is not extremely good
quality.  this is a bootleg project, though, so don't complain about the
quality of the tape unless you feel that this disclaimer is misleading.  :)


how to get one:  to get a copy of cover me grey, send $5 and a sase to
the appropriate branch of the tape tree (to be discussed below).  the $5
is to cover the cost of the blank tape (maxell xl ii high bias) and the
cost of the *insert* that goes in it.  the sase (a self-addressed, stamped
envelope) is to make the branches' lives easier.  the tape will be sent to
you in the sase that you send your branch, so you probably want to either
send a padded envelope or include packing materials (like newspaper).

if you live outside the united states:  send me private email and we will
work out a trade.  you will not be using the branches from the tape tree,
you will get your tape directly from me.

all profits, if any, will be donated to an organization which works to
reclaim and protect the rights of native americans.

ok..  the tape tree is being done by sign.  :)  so, scroll down until you
find your sign and then contact your branch to get his or her real life
address so that you can send him or her your $5 and sase.  i matched the
signs of the branches with who they're dubbing for, so you're virtually
guaranteed not to hate your branch.  (they're also all really cool dudes!)

if you are an aquarius (1/20-2/18), contact:
jude hunter
jhunter@rtc.gov

if you are a gemini (5/21-6/20), contact:
greg kemp
gkemp@ces.clemson.edu

if you are a sagittarius (11/22-12/21), contact:
joan ferguson
joan_ferguson@harvard.edu

if you are a taurus (4/20-5/20), contact:
pamela shaw
sparkle@primenet.com

if you are a leo (7/23-8/22), contact:
brian colwell
brian@pas.rochester.edu

if you are a libra (9/23-10/22), contact:
mike bunch
mrbcom@earthlink.net

if you are a virgo (8/23-9/22), contact:
martine o'keeffe
okeeffe@lclark.edu

if you are an aries (3/21-4/19), contact:
alan fleming
daflemi@lookout.ecte.uswc.uswest.com

if you are a pisces (2/19-3/20), contact:
deanna newcomb
deanna@dcez.com

if you are a scorpio (10/23-11/21) or a cancer (6/21-7/22), contact:
margaret clayton
maclayto@mhc.mtholyoke.edu

if you are a capricorn (12/22-1/19), contact:
carol jones
jone3176@saintmarys.edu

also, when contacting your branch, make absolutely sure that the subject
line of your message contains the words cover tape (so that the branch
reads it promptly).  i sent this message to the tape tre branches and
cc'ed it to the list, so you should be able to reply directly to your
branch.  please delete all of the other addresses, as most of us don't
want to know that you want a copy of the cover tape (nothing personal).
please do not send requests for the cover tape to the list.  if you forget
who your branch is please wait and i will repost this message in a couple
of days.

well, i think that's it.  if there's anything that i forgot or if you
have any questions, please feel free to send me private email and i will
get back to you.  if i forgot something that warrants another posting to
the list i will do so.  thanks!!!!!

margaret
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date:         wed, 4 oct 1995 22:06:59 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              william norris <wnorris@soulcage.inmind.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         william norris <wnorris@soulcage.inmind.com>
subject:      you know your a fan when...

you know your an indigo girls fan when you've given serious thought to
"gender reassignment" surgery on the off chance you ever meet amy...

;-)

peace,
bill
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date:         wed, 4 oct 1995 22:36:35 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              dresden5@aol.com
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         dresden5@aol.com
subject:      re: nigc: commonbond

are any of the shows in the dc area all ages.......if not then i guess i'll
just have to wait till im older.....thanks

kate

ohh yeah i saw their cd at ....arrg i can't think of the store......this gay
themed store down at dupont. no it wasn't lamda rising i would have
remembered that....its down the street from the movie theater...oh
nevermind....thanks for the update
=========================================================================
date:         wed, 4 oct 1995 23:00:31 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              guinione@aol.com
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         guinione@aol.com
subject:      ig on joan's cd

the one thing i noticed about the cd version and the bootleg tape i have is
that on the tape you can hear joan saying "amy .." when ms. ray is singing
the 'you don't have to call my name now ...' part of the song ...

joan also ad lib's "amy .." on the newport '95 tape i booted ...

peace

guini
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date:         thu, 5 oct 1995 00:17:52 +2000
reply-to:     abdul saeed khan ghori <ghori@lawyer.infolink.net.pk>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         abdul saeed khan ghori <ghori@lawyer.infolink.net.pk>
subject:      request for literature

dear,
thanks for your reply. please facilitate and send e-mail addresses
of your members or any literature for compilation,coordination and
cooperation.
sincerely yours; ghori.
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date:         wed, 4 oct 1995 23:23:38 -0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              rebecca gaukroger <gaukroge@students.uiuc.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         rebecca gaukroger <gaukroge@students.uiuc.edu>
subject:      nigc:ani difranco in il

it's pretty unlikely, but...

just wondered if anyone was, by some bizarre twist of fate, going to see
ani difranco in bloomington, il next wednesday (*are* there anymore
illinoisans out there?), if so maybe we could meet up...

rebecca.

     *****************************************************************

     "a dreamer is one who can only find his way by moonlight, and his
     punishment is that he sees the dawn before the rest of the world"
                                                        oscar wilde
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date:         wed, 4 oct 1995 23:47:09 -0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              alycia n broz <anb038@nwu.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         alycia n broz <anb038@nwu.edu>
subject:      re: request for literature

hey, does this scare anyone but me?  does anyone know what is going on here?
alycia

>dear,
>thanks for your reply. please facilitate and send e-mail addresses
>of your members or any literature for compilation,coordination and
>cooperation.
>sincerely yours; ghori.
>
>
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date:         thu, 5 oct 1995 03:50:37 edt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              "christopher m. becker" <cmbecker@space.mit.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "christopher m. becker" <cmbecker@space.mit.edu>
subject:      (nigc) childish courts?

this was forwarded to me and i'm forwarding it onto the list.
when you think about it, you could see it happen.....

                        *sigh*,

                           chris


> forwarded message:
>
> > after months of silence, oj finally spoke at the trial.  his words to
> > judge ito were.. "i did not,
> > could not and would not have committed this crime.
> >
> > seems with a little help from dr. suess and a bit more time, he and
> > judge ito could have
> > extended this statement:
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > ito's statemets in all caps... oj's in lower case.
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > did you do this awful crime?
> > did you do it anytime?
> >
> > i did not do this awful crime.
> > i could not, would not, anytime.
> >
> > did you take this person's life?
> > did you do it with a knife?
> >
> > i did not do it with a knife.
> > i did not, could not, kill my wife.
> > i did not do this awful crime
> > i could not, would not, anytime.
> >
> > did you leave a pool a blood?
> > did you drop this bloody glove?
> >
> > i did not leave a pool of blood.
> > i can not even wear that glove.
> > i did not do it with a knife.
> > i did not, could not, kill my wife.
> > i did not do this awful crime
> > i could not, would not, anytime.
> >
> > i do not like green eggs and ham
> > i do not like them sam i am
> >
> >
=========================================================================
date:         thu, 5 oct 1995 01:20:08 -0700
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              linda joanne napikoski <napikosk@aludra.usc.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         linda joanne napikoski <napikosk@aludra.usc.edu>
subject:      chcknmn qstn//this train comment

i read an article where emily said they got the names of some holocaust
victims and read them at the beginning of "this train(revised)", but
nothing about any professions. were you guys wondering whether it was
names & professions as opposed to just professions or if they are just
names as opposed to just professions or what? they've always sounded like
just names to me..and i really got that impression from the article. (and
i took 2 years of german in high school...but, well, you know how that
goes.)

i'm beginning to think i will never fully understand chickenman:
what is the car? what does it specifically represent?

six days!  :) :) :)

linda

it has always seemed rather silly to me that fans of music groups, and
maybe especially fans of music that appeals to those who like what is
defined as alternative music, seem to be in some crazy competition about
devoted vs. new fans and/or not wanting 'their' group to become popular.

i can't think of another medium where this is done. i don't ever hear
sharon stone's fans wishing her movies weren't #1 at the box office, oor
stepheen king's fans saying, "goddamn it, why does he have to have
another bestseller?"   so what gives with people wanting "their" music
groups to remain not-so-popular?
=========================================================================
date:         thu, 5 oct 1995 09:58:24 +0000
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              j.f.l.devaney@aston.ac.uk
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         j.f.l.devaney@aston.ac.uk
subject:      re: nigc and re: re:

hi folks,

i have a couple of points to make. no flames, just sugestions for making
each others' lives a tad easier here.

to set the scene, like most of you i get about 50-80 mail messages from
this mailer. i come into work and sift through them for things that are
interesting to _me_. monday mornings take longer cause i can't/wont check
this mail over the weekend. so ...

i find a new thread message ... recently it was the 'sad movie goer' one,
so i checked the message to see what it was. it struck me as very nigc,
which i agree should be used to help folks delete irelevant stuff, but hey.
i'm not going to die cause i have to delete a few extra messages a day
(this has already been said, i know), when i know they're nigc or threads
i'm tired of.

what _has_ kinda irked me is that when people want to post to the list they
don't think _at_all_ about what their title says. they just take the last
message and select reply. i've missed stacks of threads cause of this. i
_can't_ read every message, or i'd never get any work done. i guess most of
you are in a similar situation, so _think_ about the title you're using,
please?

thanks for your time. not likely to be much igc from me till they make it
back to the uk, so i'll go back to lurking.

johnd
=========================================================================
date:         thu, 5 oct 1995 07:12:53 edt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              ms janet m vansyckel <mglz19b@prodigy.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         ms janet m vansyckel <mglz19b@prodigy.com>
subject:      re: a+e=disney

> from: teresa c. esguerra

>  i've ordered disney for the month just for amy and emily - you know
you're an ig fan if you incessantly record disney channel commercials
in hopes of catchinng the slightest bit on the ig

<lol> yep, that's a sign of an ig fan!!  as of last night i am now a
*new* subscriber to the disney channel. i just had to do it...........
<sigh>

now if my cable company would just get vh-1 i would be in tv music
heaven. <g>

- jan
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date:         thu, 5 oct 1995 07:12:51 edt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              ms janet m vansyckel <mglz19b@prodigy.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         ms janet m vansyckel <mglz19b@prodigy.com>
subject:      ig on vacation - your thoughts

hi all,

just thought i would throw out a new thread and see how it flies.

does anyone think (or maybe even *know*) if ig will write any new
material while on vacation?

any speculations on when and where they will make their debut return?
my thoughts might be next years ben and jerry's. (wishful thinking)
they always loved going to newport.

- jan
=========================================================================
date:         thu, 5 oct 1995 12:24:19 +0100
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              mr neil hunt <ph21nh@ph.surrey.ac.uk>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         mr neil hunt <ph21nh@ph.surrey.ac.uk>
subject:      re: (nigc) childish courts?
x-to:         cmbecker@space.mit.edu

i can't resist this...

oj was leaving the courtroom, after he got let off...on his way, he turned
to ito and said, 'can i have my hat and gloves back, please??'

i'm sure it was funnier when i heard it...i guess i just don't have 'it'...

@}--,--'---

obigc...umm...emily is the redhead...:):)


  neily :)            indigogirlsjellyfishdeaconblueedenburningtracychapmanaimee
   41 mountside        mannbeatlesbuddyhollydannywilsonbillyjoelshawncolvinmaria
    guildford           mckeefairgroundattractioneverlybrothersdelamitribandomd
     @}--,--'---         royorbisonjuliemillerjamroxettecarolekingandmanymore...
=========================================================================
date:         thu, 5 oct 1995 08:33:38 -0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              jamie suthard <suthardj@southwestern.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         jamie suthard <suthardj@southwestern.edu>
subject:      re: shelby lynn
x-to:         mr neil hunt <ph21nh@ph.surrey.ac.uk>
in-reply-to:  <27414.199510051124@ph.surrey.ac.uk>

shelby lynn, a rising country star reminds me a lot of the young kd lang,
and i was just wondering if anyone out there knows anything about her...
will she follow in kd's footsteps???  what do you think?


        jamie suthard

                "the closer we get, the harder the fall..."
                                        -- indigo girls
=========================================================================
date:         thu, 5 oct 1995 09:50:59 -24000
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              "judith k. hunter" <jhunter@rtc.gov>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "judith k. hunter" <jhunter@rtc.gov>
subject:      interview with ig-2nd batch

well here is the rest of--

the indigo girls -- two views, one musical vision, reprinted from performing
songwriter magazine, dated  march/april 1994.

installments 3, 4 and  5 to follow.  this article was sent to me by teri to
scan and put on the list.  i have another one called "the power of two" by
beth fishkind which is billed as "a songwriting and arranging workshop with
the indigo girls."  i'll put that one on the list next week.

if you'd rather view these articles on the net at hidewater.com, by all
means, please do so.  i, for one, do not have that capability at my office.

:) peace, jude
=========================================================================
date:         thu, 5 oct 1995 10:01:52 -24000
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              "judith k. hunter" <jhunter@rtc.gov>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "judith k. hunter" <jhunter@rtc.gov>
subject:      installment 5

can you identify any recurring themes or philosophies in your work?

emily: the critics would say, "the indigo girls they're so serious, they're
so heavy." but our experi<ence at our concerts was not that at all. we found
that people were uplifted you know at times it was a catharsis, getting
through pain to get to the other side and that sort of thing.

amy: well, we always write about death - that's a constant theme. we tend to
dwell a lot on transitions, from one state of life to another. life to death,
marriage to non-marriage, those kind of things. i used to use more religious
references but i tend to use more nature orien<ted references now. emily
tends to use a lot of literary references - and relationships are a recurring
theme in emily's songs, i would say. not necessarily lovers - she uses her
friends as points of reference a lot, what's happening among her circle of
friends. obviously, friends and family are an important thing to emily.

after you've finished a new song, does it help you to play it for someone?

emily: definitely. when i wrote these new songs this time, a bunch of friends
and i went to a cabin and i was going to play these songs - and it was a very
vulnerable thing. all of my confidence rested upon their opinions. as it
turned out, it was favorable and i thought, "okay, maybe, these songs are
alright." but it's become much more difficult - ever since we started on a
major label and our career got rolling with all the touring and time
restraints -for me to just look at a song without trying it out on anyone
else and know, "this is good" or "this is not good. " and a lot of times my
confidence can just be broken very quickly by someone's response. i used to
really be interested in what reviews were saying. when we first got reviewed
in rolling stone, i was about to die i was so excited. it felt like a dream
back then. to see critics reviewing your work is both thrilling and scary as
hell. but the more i read reviews and the more i know about the way people
are, the more i think it's just opinion +- you cannot truly be objective
about popart. you can't. now it's gotten to where i feel, "why is it i have
to know what other people think of them right away when i didn't used to do
that?"  i'm sure some of it's ego - most of it, in fact. but really, since
our music has been more in the public eye, i have tended to scrutinize it
more than ever before.

amy: for some reason, it does. it's not like, "do they like the song or not?"
as much as that it's helpful in learning dynamics. because when you have an
emotional backboard, you just do things that you might not have done when
you're sitting there by yourself. you play a chorus and all of a sudden you
really want to sing it again because it feels right for some reason. and so
you just do it spontaneously and it tells you whether or not it's going to
work. even playing in front of a couple of people does that.

how do you benefit from getting specific feedback on what you're working on?

emily: i remember i played the first song i'd written when i came home this
summer for a friend, and she told me it reminded her of "watershed." and i
was like, "thank you for telling me that! (laughs) i've got to rework this
song." i'd much rather know something like that. i mean, it's hard because it
means, "oh, god, back to the drawing board." and i don't mean to sound
dramatic about it, but songwriting can be excruciating.

amy: critiques open my eyes to something that i think i would have discovered
in time, but it just makes it a lot easier to go, "yeah, buck up - i need to
work on this song a little more. it's not done yet." because sometimes i get
over-excited and i want it to be finished. i'm like,  "no, it's done ++ this
is the way i want it." just because i want the song to be done so badly.
=========================================================================
date:         thu, 5 oct 1995 09:58:44 -24000
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              "judith k. hunter" <jhunter@rtc.gov>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "judith k. hunter" <jhunter@rtc.gov>
subject:      installment 4

which of your
own songs are you happiest with?

emily: there's only about three or four of them - "history of us," "you and
me of the ten thousand wars," "ghost" and "love's recovery." it's much easier
for me to write ballads. there was a time when amy and i were playing in
clubs and a lot of my material wasn't being covered because it was all
ballads. and amy was writing these great, uptempo rock songs. now when i go
to hear a concert, i don't want to hear all ballads - it makes a ballad that
much more powerful if you only have two or three in your set. but i wasn't
like that. and so i had to make a conscious effort to try to open myself up
to writing things that were more upbeat. but there's something about that
slow, introspective, moody, emotional thing that brings out my best writing.
and with most of those songs - i was in pain when i was writing those songs.
and i felt very specifically about what i was talking about.

amy: "kid fears"' captured a period of my life and it's a really important
song to me so i really like that one. and then "chicken man" i really, really
like a lot because it just says everything i feel and it's a song about
something that i'm totally preoccupied with all the time.  and i'm glad i
have it as a song.  "three hits" is important to me because of the content.
but those songs i always enjoy playing them.

are there any situation where you like the song itself but aren't satisfied
with how the recording came out?

emily: well, i really like rites of passage, a lot. that's my favorite record
that we've done. but having lived with it for a while, i think the tempo of
the song "let it be me" is too slow on the record. because when we were doing
it live it felt much more natural to play it a little more quickly. i don't
think "let it be me" is one of my better songs though, so it wasn't like,
"oh, we ruined this great song by playing it slow." but i was really happy
with the production on the song "ghost", which is rare for me.

amy: on nomads *indians* saints there's a lot of stuff like that. i felt like
we didn't grow hardly at all on that record- we didn't experiment enough - we
stuck to a lot of patterns that were similar to the fist album. we were kind
of tired and we just didn't do as good of a job as we should have. i mean, i
like the record, but it doesn't hold up as well. i think "world falls" could
have been treated a lot differently. to me that song was really important -it
had a lot more depth - and for some reason it just wasn't treated the way it
should have been. that's the main song on that record that i really would
have done differently. then on the last album i liked the way we did
everything, but after playing the songs for a year, i felt that if we'd been
able to record the album a year later it would have been a better record.
<some of the vocal nuances and intensity were lost because we didn't know the
songs as well when we were recording.  but on the whole, i was pretty happy
with that record.

what kinds of things do you draw from when you're trying to open yourself up
to be inspired to write?  do you expose yourself to certain writers or listen
to music?

emily: a lot of my songs are about friendships and interpersonal
relationships most of them are. so i watch the way we treat each other within
my circle of friends, what we do socially, our basic philosophies and what we
think about. going out to hear live music is always inspiring. but for the
writers that i really, really look up to, sometimes it's debilitating rather
than inspiring. if i listen to ferron's songs, it's like, "i'm never going to
write a song like she does, so i might as well quit trying" (laughs). that
happens to me a lot. i almost get this melancholy feeling when i'm moved by a
performance. i was obsessed by virginia woolf's writing in a big way - i
still have so much more to read of hers. i've been reading some annie dillard
this year - i'm sure she'll have a big influence on me as time goes on. i
have my favorite southern writers - lee smith and faulkner. and seeing a good
movie is always inspirational.

amy: the reaction that you get from books and movies really helps me to be
inspired and tap into feelings. i read a lot of history books and i read
faulkner and comic books. i love comics. if i'm not sick of music - i do get
sick of music sometimes after we've been on tour - i'll go out and hear music
every single night for a week and i just get renewed. it opens me back up
again.
=========================================================================
date:         thu, 5 oct 1995 10:04:53 -24000
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              "judith k. hunter" <jhunter@rtc.gov>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "judith k. hunter" <jhunter@rtc.gov>
subject:      installment 6

do you have a strong instinct that tells you whether or not you should follow
someone's suggestions or stick with your original idea?

emily: well, on "least complicated," i had a line that said, "i'm just a
mirror of a mirror of a mirror of myself," and amy said that reminded her too
much of "ten thousand wars" -'l see my eyes in your eyes through my eyes.'
and at first, i said, "i don't feel that way." but i changed it to 'i'm just
a mirror of a mirror' instead of saying it three times and i've really become
quite comfortable with that. there will be other times when she'll say
some<thing and i'll say, "no, i like it this way." so both of those things
happen. those things come up  where it's just a matter of personal taste.
ultimately, it's up to the writer to decide. i'm actually fairly objective
about my work in that way. someone can make a comment and i can decide
whether or not that's truly a good suggestion or whether the original thing
is the best thing to stick to.

amy: it's so subjective. some people may think it's a really bad line and i
may think it's a really good line just because it expresses what i'm feeling -
that's ultimately what's most important to me. if every time i sing a certain
line it doesn't really feel right, then i know i'll change it eventually.

in retrospect, is there anything about your older material that bothers you?

emily: looking back on my earlier songs, my lyrics are embarrassing because
they're very blatantly bleeding-heart emotional. and i still have a little
bit of that in me, but i try to control it now because i find it much more
satisfying to hear a song that's not like that. i've found as i've gotten
older that it's much more powerful to be understated.  i wrote a song called
"high horse" that was on the original strange fire release - i hate that
song. that's one of my worst songs because i took the imagery too far -"if
you want to saddle your high horse..." it was so forced. first of all, i
wasn't writing it about anything - i was sort of making up anger toward
someone and it was a completely imaginary scenario and that came out in the
writing too. there's no emotional attachment to it. usually when i feel
really very strongly emotional about something that's when i'm able to write
my best songs.

amy: i think when i was writing "land of canaan" type stuff, my chord
vocabulary was very limited. and i wrote a lot of upbeat songs because i felt
that was the best way to express anger and i tended to go for that - go for
the noise factor. i think i've grown and i've moved away from being very
introspective and melodramatic into realizing that it's not always good to be
that self-involved in a song. and that if you want a song to reach out to
somebody, you have to reach out within the song.

are there any songs you've wished you could go back and revise after the
fact?

emily: i sort of let a song go once i've written it. there are songs that i
look back on and i go, "that's not one of my better songs" or things like
that. but i never really think, "i'd love to rework that." it's always,
"what's the next group of songs going to be like?" and if you feel that way
about that song in the past, remember that the next time you're sitting down
to write.

amy: golly, there's tons, i'm sure. that song, "keeper of my heart," i wish i
had written a different chorus for that because i really like the verses. but
the chorus is kind of immature and a little too introspective and kind of
melodramatic. and the chorus was too reminiscent of "blood and fire." it's
just that you change as you get older, and you would say things differently.

what are the most important songwriting lessons you've learned?

emily: you have to be thankful for your gift and take pleasure and solace in
it. and recognize it for what it is and not be tortured by what you think are
your inadequacies. and i'm also speaking to myself because this is something
that i'm going through. for me, it's a matter of just teaching myself a
little more to let go. don't try to control where everything is going.

amy: you really just have to let yourself go and not be worried about what
other people are going to say or the things that may come out. no one else
has to hear it if you don't want them to. just jump right in full force and
be as silly and stupid and adolescent and as introspective as you want to be.
then sit down and edit it. and always finish what you're working on, even if
you're never going to play it.  develop the idea is as much as you can and
don't automatically go, "oh, this sucks, 'and put it away - because you never
know what it's going to turn into.

the end

:) jude
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date:         thu, 5 oct 1995 11:04:00 edt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              sheri stanley <sstanley@infinet.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         sheri stanley <sstanley@infinet.com>
subject:      re: nigc:ani difranco in il
x-to:         rebecca gaukroger <gaukroge@students.uiuc.edu>

not goin' to indiana, but i am seeing her tonight in columbus, ohio! :)


>it's pretty unlikely, but...
>
>just wondered if anyone was, by some bizarre twist of fate, going to see
>ani difranco in bloomington, il next wednesday (*are* there anymore
>illinoisans out there?), if so maybe we could meet up...
>
>rebecca.
>
>     *****************************************************************
>
>     "a dreamer is one who can only find his way by moonlight, and his
>     punishment is that he sees the dawn before the rest of the world"
>                                                        oscar wilde
>
>
to take the world into one's arms and to act toward it
in a soul-filled and soul-strengthening manner is a
powerful act of wildish spirit.
       -clarissa pinkola estes/women who run with the wolves
=========================================================================
date:         thu, 5 oct 1995 16:10:33 +0100
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              mts5@aber.ac.uk
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         matthew joseph smith <mts5@aber.ac.uk>
subject:      hidden water ftp

has anyone else had trouble getting access to the ftp/net site of hidden
water? i tried getting into it through the ftp program yesterday and today
(with anonymous log-in) and through netscape, but it doesn't seem to work
anymore.

any ideas?   is hw having computer trouble or something?

mat
mts5@aber.ac.uk
=========================================================================
date:         thu, 5 oct 1995 12:23:38 edt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              lorinda wright <lw01@lehigh.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         lorinda wright <lw01@lehigh.edu>
subject:      ack: it won't take long lyrics
x-to:         yen m tang <ymt2@lehigh.edu>

acknowledgement of message.
=========================================================================
date:         thu, 5 oct 1995 08:29:22 -0700
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              julie meloni <dmon@hidwater.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         julie meloni <dmon@hidwater.com>
subject:      re: hidden water ftp

>has anyone else had trouble getting access to the ftp/net site of hidden
>water?

yeah, me, and it's my server.  the pipe running to the server's been a wee
bit clogged the last day or so; it happens intermittantly with all service
providers.  if you have a problem, wait & try the next day -- never been
down longer than a few hours, continually, so when you run into a problem,
it's one that's fixed in a few hours.  so, bottom line is try again later.
it's fine now.

feel free to direct problems with our server to me, and not to the list,
because my hw spotter that sits on this list is going to cancun on vacation
for a week, the bum, and i won't see any problems that are reported here.

thanks,
julie meloni
dmon@hidwater.com
hidden water ... http://www.hidwater.com/
=========================================================================
date:         thu, 5 oct 1995 12:54:34 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              kristina cizas <kcizas@cgrg.ohio-state.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         kristina cizas <kcizas@cgrg.ohio-state.edu>
subject:      irrelevancies
in-reply-to:  <951004183358.3ba6@vax1.bemidji.msus.edu>

on wed, 4 oct 1995, brooke ann foster wrote:

> okay, here's an idea! when you see the subject movie or that annoying movie
> guy , automatically delete it!!!!!  then you dont have to waste your precious
> time reading it, and those of us who like this little bit of trivia can
> keep the game up.

fine, unless you're subscribed to the digest and have to page down through
pages and pages of movie trivia to get to anything that resembles ig content.
come on folks, remember what the list is here for, okay? some subscribers
have limits on the number/size of email messages they recieve and the more
chaff taking up space, the less wheat is able to come through. brooke, say
you're being charged for each message... you really want to pay for
e-junk-mail just so other people can have fun?

> also, if you have a problem with the relevancy of the postings on this list,
> fine, unsubscribe.  or just tell someone, e-mail whoever made the post
> (privatly) and politly share your opinion.  but there is no reason to get so
> nasty and rude about it.

and you don't think that it's rude for people to constantly post
irrelevant crap to a list that supposed to be about the igs, even after
a number of polite "please take it to private mail" reposnses? i'd like
to suggest that if you kids want to continue to play your little game,
create your own mailing list and continue it there. don't try to browbeat
the rest of us who are interested in ig information into silently
accepting whatever waste of bandwidth you feel like creating by telling
us to unsubscribe if we don't like it.

fuming,
kristina
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date:         wed, 4 oct 1995 22:29:28 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              deb <indigo@clark.net>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         deb <indigo@clark.net>
subject:      re: gay/lesbian sections and personal courage

mary clark <mryclrk@eden.rutgers.edu> wrote:

>chain music stores traditionally have arbitrary categorization of artists.  a
>tower near me has a great folk section with everybody you could possibly ever
>want, and they put ig and ani difranco in the pop/rock section. meanwhile sam
>goody puts ani difranco in the folk section.

>the real problem
>with it, barring philosophical arguments about the purpose of music and the
>composition of audiences, etc. is that it makes it really fucking hard to
>find who you want.

right. i remember my puzzlement several years ago when i found jane
siberry's import-only first cd in the "women's music" section at tower. i
had looked in folk, in rock, in imports. i finally found it in "women's
music." the clerk said it was probably there because ladyslipper had
distributed it.

thankfully, that tower has seen the light and consolidated considerably.

--
deb \ indigo@clark.net \ 10-04 22:29 est \ http://www.clark.net/pub/indigo
__________________________________________________________________________
         "you know every time i move/ i make a woman's movement"
                   - ani difranco, "hour follows hour"
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date:         thu, 5 oct 1995 13:25:12 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              deb <indigo@clark.net>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         deb <indigo@clark.net>
subject:      re: uptown lounge video

"judith k. hunter" <jhunter@rtc.gov> wrote:

>you can order the uptown lounge video through blockbusters--i asked...

tower usually has it in stock (videotape and laserdisc).

--
deb \ indigo@clark.net \ 10-05 13:25 est \ http://www.clark.net/pub/indigo
__________________________________________________________________________
      "i'm going to kill o.j. and hire johnnie cochran" - joan rivers
=========================================================================
date:         thu, 5 oct 1995 17:46:52 +0100
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              mts5@aber.ac.uk
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         matthew joseph smith <mts5@aber.ac.uk>
subject:      re: womens music
x-to:         laura dugas <gecko1@asu.edu>

>on sun, 1 oct 1995, margaret clayton wrote:
>
>another really bad repercussion of segregation based on sexual preference
>is that then you would have to include a bi-sexual section and that would
>include nearly *all* of our beloved classical groups i.e. stones, david
>bowie, etc. and then those who would *never* purchase a cd in the
>gay/lesbian section for fear of promoting such an incredible
>*abomination* to dear sweet god, their lord and savior, would realize
>that a lot of what they currently own belongs in that section....hmmm.
>

it might bring them to their senses!   maybe they should do it just for a week.

mat
mts5@aber.ac.uk
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date:         thu, 5 oct 1995 14:19:13 est
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              kjarvis@mail2.lmi.org
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         kjarvis@mail2.lmi.org
subject:      bury my heart at wounded knee on the radio!!

     there i sat in my office listening to a local washington dc radio
     station (dc 101) because i had heard they were playing melissa
     etheridge's new single.  much to my surprise the dj says "and now
     here's bury my heart at wounded knee by the indigo girls."  i would
     categorize this station as rock/alternative (van halen to foo
     fighters) and never thought that they would ever play ig music.

     i've never been one to call a radio station and request a song but i
     think i'll start now because bmhawk rocked!!

     woo hoo!!

     kris...

     ps has anyone else heard that 1200 curfews may not be released until
     oct. 24th?
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date:         thu, 5 oct 1995 14:49:57 +0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              ddavies5@ford.com
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "david j. davies" <ddavies5@ford.com>
subject:      a stranger is watching....

>hey, does this scare anyone but me?  does anyone know what is going on here?
>alycia

>dear,
>thanks for your reply. please facilitate and send e-mail addresses
>of your members or any literature for compilation,coordination and
>cooperation.
>sincerely yours; ghori.

someone must know what this is all about. thank you for your reply of what?
what gives? what's the big idea? what's this cat after?
maybe not scared, certainly concerned....

ideas anyone? anyone?

-dave
=========================================================================
date:         thu, 5 oct 1995 13:54:25 -0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              horhay <gtuft@niu.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         horhay <gtuft@niu.edu>
subject:      jeepers creepers

sorrrrrriiieeeeeeeee...

i didn't mean to offend anyone.
golly.
just havin a little fun.
it's not like i killed your cat or something.

but i did notice that all of you who took the time to chew me out
did use up quite a bit more list space than i did in posting my
litle trivia in the first place.

once again, with a heartfelt apology...i will never, ever mention anything
again that doesn't have anything to do with ig.

horhay
gtuft@niu.edu
=========================================================================
date:         thu, 5 oct 1995 15:29:45 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              imgalileo@aol.com
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         imgalileo@aol.com
subject:      daily update
x-to:         llevy03@emory.edu
x-cc:         plaine@seaccd.sccd.ctc.edu, pmrlm1@gannonlab.gannon.edu,
              jmcphee884@aol.com, benh@inlink.com, mrbcom@earthlink.net,
              kking@hiwaay.net, vanhemel@posh.internext.com, gre1440@aol.com,
              deannal@parallel.park.uga.edu, locshoot@aol.com,
              nlyng@postoffice.ptd.net, jone3176@saintmarys.edu,
              napikosk@chaph.usc.edu, ph21nh@ph.surrey.ac.uk, debbie@mei.com,
              ecooper@ljcrf.edu, carrieb@ccserver.uoregon.edu,
              yvzy46a@prodigy.com, hrstruggle@aol.com, espizz@simons-rock.edu,
              hummella@craft.camp.clarkson.edu, rickfstr@vnet.ibm.com,
              underdog@onramp.net, esf3764@utarlg.uta.edu,
              rcxsj@unix.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk, gaukroge@students.uiuc.edu,
              km5@ornl.gov, gogirrrl@aol.com, dianne@uci.edu,
              indigoboy@eden.rutgers.edu, aseidner@aol.com, misticwolf@aol.com,
              sept301955@aol.com, indigo@clark.net, maclayto@mhc.mtholyoke.edu,
              daiseyday@eden.rutgers.edu, guinione@aol.com,
              gaukroge@students.uiuc.edu

auction ends 11:59 pm  saturday, october 7th, 95

please remember - cashier's checks or money orders only for payment from high
bid winners. i will update daily.

* a new
item..........................................................................
..................
'tame yourself' cassette ,  out of print. rare
indigo girls & michael stipe (r.e.m.)  sing "i'll give you my skin"
plus 13 other songs by various singers. still sealed !
$10 (mika)
--------------------------------------------------------
club r & r -  rare cd promo .........................$85 (sept301955)
--------------------------------------------------------
three hits promotional cd  - full color picture insert
studio version of  "three hits", the rest are live cuts "joking",
"galileo", "ghost", "jonas & ezekial"   -  3 copies available
$32 (ben)  $30 (paula)  $30 (rick)
--------------------------------------------------------
4.5 uk greatest hits promo - rare
(15 track fold out custom promo w/ biography of their career)
$43 (carolyn)
--------------------------------------------------------
closer to fine uk release promo - rare
(pulled from production - unreleased)
$37 (carolyn)
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indigo girls guitar pick...
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please email privately ..hope everyone has a good day.

im galileo
=========================================================================
date:         thu, 5 oct 1995 14:41:01 -0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              horhay <gtuft@niu.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         horhay <gtuft@niu.edu>
subject:      nigc:ani difranco

just in case anyone's interested:

ani difranco will be at:

    10/5     oh  mees aud/columbus                           614/294-7664
    10/7     mi  state thtr/kalamazoo                        616/345-6500
    10/11    il  il wesleyan univ./bloomington               309/556-3113
    10/15    mi  jamrich aud/marquette                       906/226-3532
    11/1     wa  ??/walla walla                              509/527-5157
    11/2     wa  mt. baker thtr/bellingham                   360/734-6080
    11/3     wa  moore thtr/seattle                          206/789-1184
    11/8     or  buffalo music hall/ashland                  503/488-3570
    11/18    co  paramount thtr/denver                       303/623-0106
    12/2     ma  orpheum/boston                              617/661-1252
bookings: 313/995-9066
email: lawrence.lazare@hal9k.com
info: 800/664-3769
www: http://www.cc.columbia.edu/~marg/ani/
www: http://world.std.com/~megazone/ani/anihome.html


horhay
gtuft@niu.edu
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date:         thu, 5 oct 1995 14:43:00 -0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              casey connor <chc1@cec.wustl.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         casey connor <chc1@cec.wustl.edu>
subject:      nigc: ani difranco in columbus oh tonight

as this person stated:

---
not goin' to indiana, but i am seeing her tonight in columbus, ohio! :)
---

ani difranco is playing in columbus ohio, tonigh (oct. 5th, thursday) at,
i think, the mees auditoriutm. 294-7664.

i'm telling you right now, if you're thinking "well, i should go, but i
don't really know, i mean i've never really heard her stuff and i
just..." etc... stop, pick up the phone, get directions, and go!

don't be a doof! you will regret it if you don't go!


that's just my opinion. :-)

later,
-casey
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date:         thu, 5 oct 1995 15:01:11 -0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              alycia n broz <anb038@nwu.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         alycia n broz <anb038@nwu.edu>
subject:      re: daily update
x-to:         imgalileo@aol.com

how about $5 for the guitar pick?
alycia
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date:         thu, 5 oct 1995 15:02:57 -0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              rascal@vax1.bemidji.msus.edu
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         brooke ann foster <rascal@vax1.bemidji.msus.edu>
subject:      re: irrelevancies
x-to:         kcizas@cgrg.ohio-state.edu

okay, i would like to publicly apolagize for losing my temper.  i did not know
that there was a system where one could be charged for each message that come
in to them.  on that point, i agree that messages should be kept to ig content.
and my point about unsubscribing was not meant to be a "i dont care if you
dont like it, if you dont like it then get off the list", that's not even near
my place to do or say, and i never would even if it was, public opinion
should dictate what should go on this list, and opinion is always changing, and
am i making any sense at all?  the point i was trying to make was about the
comment that this list is dead.  if that was the feeling, why didn't that
person just unsubscribe and stop wasting their time?  but as usual, my ever-so-
lovly tempet got in the wayof what i was actually trying to say, and my
actual meaning was obscured.

i do have one question, though.  last year before i left school, there were two
lists.  one for ig news and one for fun stuff that maybe was just slightly ig
related.  i know there was a big hub bub about it, but then i had to, sadly,
leave for the summer.  what happened to it?  i thought it was a good idea.  i
think so now, even more.

so again, i am sorry for blowing up.  t'was not my intention to offend
anyone.  and i know my reply was nasty, too (though i didn't know that when
i was writing it, only when it came back to me). so a thousand apologies...
i am not usually this cranky. (promise! :))

now i am going to stop taking up even more of your space.  i just wanted to
publicly apologize for my remarks.

brooke
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date:         thu, 5 oct 1995 13:15:49 -0700
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              tricia <n9243170@henson.cc.wwu.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         tricia <n9243170@henson.cc.wwu.edu>
subject:      the old-fashioned way to get info.

        ummm...if anyone is on the ig snail mail list, be checking your
mail boxes in the next 2 weeks; there might be something there.

        t
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date:         thu, 5 oct 1995 16:19:13 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              karra l mcleroy <kmcleroy@umich.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         karra l mcleroy <kmcleroy@umich.edu>
subject:      re: nigc:ani difranco
x-to:         horhay <gtuft@niu.edu>
in-reply-to:  <9510051941.aa09465@oats>

although it's almost too late to be of use, she'll also be at the power
center in ann arbor, michigan tomorrow night- friday october 06.  tickets
can be purchased by phone at (313) 763-tkts or at the door if she doesn't
sell out (it's getting close).


karra \ kmcleroy@umich.edu \ university of michigan office of major events
*****************************************************************************
     "i'm going to kill o.j. and hire johnnie cochran"  -joan rivers

                     (shamelessly stolen from deb)


on thu, 5 oct 1995, horhay wrote:

> just in case anyone's interested:
>
> ani difranco will be at:
>
>     10/5     oh  mees aud/columbus                           614/294-7664
>     10/7     mi  state thtr/kalamazoo                        616/345-6500
>     10/11    il  il wesleyan univ./bloomington               309/556-3113
>     10/15    mi  jamrich aud/marquette                       906/226-3532
>     11/1     wa  ??/walla walla                              509/527-5157
>     11/2     wa  mt. baker thtr/bellingham                   360/734-6080
>     11/3     wa  moore thtr/seattle                          206/789-1184
>     11/8     or  buffalo music hall/ashland                  503/488-3570
>     11/18    co  paramount thtr/denver                       303/623-0106
>     12/2     ma  orpheum/boston                              617/661-1252
> bookings: 313/995-9066
> email: lawrence.lazare@hal9k.com
> info: 800/664-3769
> www: http://www.cc.columbia.edu/~marg/ani/
> www: http://world.std.com/~megazone/ani/anihome.html
>
>
>
>
>
>
> horhay
> gtuft@niu.edu
>
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date:         thu, 5 oct 1995 16:27:04 -0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              stephanie parsons <parsonss@it.uwp.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         stephanie parsons <parsonss@it.uwp.edu>
subject:      re: request for literature
x-to:         abdul saeed khan ghori <ghori@lawyer.infolink.net.pk>
in-reply-to:  <15@ghori.infolink.net.pk>

once again....huh?

on thu, 5 oct 1995, abdul saeed khan ghori wrote:

> dear,
> thanks for your reply. please facilitate and send e-mail addresses
> of your members or any literature for compilation,coordination and
> cooperation.
> sincerely yours; ghori.
>
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date:         thu, 5 oct 1995 22:34:17 +0100
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              mts5@aber.ac.uk
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         matthew joseph smith <mts5@aber.ac.uk>
subject:      re: a stranger is watching....
x-to:         ddavies5@ford.com

>>hey, does this scare anyone but me?  does anyone know what is going on here?
>>alycia
>
>>dear,
>>thanks for your reply. please facilitate and send e-mail addresses
>>of your members or any literature for compilation,coordination and
>>cooperation.
>>sincerely yours; ghori.
>
>someone must know what this is all about. thank you for your reply of what?
>what gives? what's the big idea? what's this cat after?
>maybe not scared, certainly concerned....
>
>ideas anyone? anyone?
>
>-dave
>

the replies he referred to were private, so it's understandable no-one knows
what replies he means.   but apart from that, what is he on about?

i'm billing a couple of other lists (i just did crowded house) to see if
they've seen his posts too.   let's face it, the indigo girls list is hardly
a place to start an internet research project, is it?   (unless he's been
lurking on it for quite some time, which is unlikely considering that (a)
the 'pk' at the end of his address probably means pakistan and (b) muslims,
let's face it, are not renowned for their sympathy towards gay people, which
probably means he doesn't listen to them.)   but why, in his original post,
did he request girls and women?   what kind of girls/women?

as puzzled as anyone,
mat
mts5@aber.ac.uk
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date:         thu, 5 oct 1995 16:49:22 -0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              deb reiser <debbie@mei.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         deb reiser <debbie@mei.com>
subject:      back together again???

hi all...
the 1200 curfews track listing that rodney wicker posted the other day
included a tune called "back together again." this doesn't ring a bell to
me. does anyone know the background on this one?

also, does it seem strange to anyone else (well besides you, dwayne) that
tmf isn't listed on 1200 curfews?  tmf is one tune that really grew on me
after hearing it live and now the studio cut seems so slow and lifeless.
imho it's one tune that really seems to have matured while touring. any
other opinions out there?

deb
debbie@mei.com
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date:         thu, 5 oct 1995 17:15:09 -0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              casey connor <chc1@cec.wustl.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         casey connor <chc1@cec.wustl.edu>
subject:      bury my heart at wounded knee music

well here it is in all its faux-glory. thanks to those who sent lyrics.

i suggest following along with a recording, since i didn't pay too much
attention to the placement of the chord names, just the order. :-) but it
should be close.
-----

bury my heart at wounded knee
w&m by buffy st. marie, as covered by the indigo girls.

another four-chord song transcribed by guitar god casey connor,
with help with the words from indigo-girls listmembers.

-------------------

"emily": (sing freely)

d                           a
indian legislation's on the desk of a do-right congressman

d                                g
but he don't know much about the issues so he

a
picks up the phone and asks the advice of the

d              bm
senator out in indian country, a

g              a
darling of the energy companies

        d                  g           a
they're ripping off what's left of the reservation


"amy": (with more rhythm)

             a                           bm
i learned this safety rule i don't know who to thank

            a                f#m             bm
don't stand between the reservation and the corporate bank

               a                       f#m                 bm
they're sendin federal tanks, it isn't nice, but it's reality

chorus:

(no chord)              d       c   g
bury my heart at wounded knee

                         d   c   g
i said deep in the earth

                            d            c   g
won't you cover me with your pretty lies

                        d     c   g
bury my heart at wounded knee


               a                                 bm
they got these energy companies they're tryin to steal our land
                           (or: who want to take our land)

         a                  f#m         bm
they got churches by the dozen tryin to guide our hand

a                                   (f#m?)          bm
and turn our mother earth over to pollution war and greed

get rich, get rich quick

chorus (with echoing bmhawk's?)

"jerry marotta":

we've got the federal books, we've got the covert spies
         (or: federal marshals)
they got the liars by fire they got the fbi
they go to court and get nailed and still leonard peltier goes off to jail

the bullets didn't match the gun

chorus (with echoing bmhawk's - "bury my heart at wounded knee; it was an
eigth of the reservation; it was transferred in secret; you got your
murdering heart and intimidation; bury my heart at wounded knee")
(or: you got your murder and intimidation, etc...)

we're talking about a revolution

my girlfriend anna may, she talked about uranium
her head was full of bullets and her body dumped
the fbi cut off her hands and told us she died of exposure

chorus

bury me bury me

we had the gold rush wars, why didn't we learn to crawl?
and now our history gets written in a liar's scrawl.
they tell me

[no chord]

honey you can still be an indian, i mean, you know, wear those little
moccasins and play those bingo games down at the y on a saturday night.
("bullshit", except i think amy says "right" on compg's)

and they should...
chorus ("...you're going to cover me with your pretty lies...")

chorus ("...it's an eigth...etc...heart and intimidation...")

'bury my heart' repeated at end.

first voice stays on low d, second does "bur" and "heart" on f and "y my" on
e, third does "bur" and "heart" on a and "y my" on g, and a last voice
can do the high d for "bur" and "heart" and c for "y my" so it's:


dm  c/d  dm
bur y my heart

repeated over and over again. this is pretty much a guess and may be an
approxiamtion of the actual sining or may embellish it. whatever. you
might try tuning the low e to d and playing the normal d and then c
chords over it with the open bass string allowed to ring.

notes: for the verse, i think the f#m's are sometimes there and sometimes
not. and listen to the recording for the syncopated strumming pattern.
it's kooky.

/~~ /~\ /~\ |~ \ /
|   |_| \-\ |-  |
\__ | | \_/ |_  |
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date:         thu, 5 oct 1995 17:17:39 -0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              ** craig cook ** <cookca@cs.purdue.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         ** craig cook ** <cookca@cs.purdue.edu>
subject:      re: the old-fashioned way to get info.
x-to:         tricia <n9243170@henson.cc.wwu.edu>
in-reply-to:  <pine.ult.3.91.951005131339.8368a@henson.cc.wwu.edu>

how exactly does one get on the ig snail mailing list?

craig
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date:         thu, 5 oct 1995 15:12:30 -0700
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              your name here <emjay@netcom.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         your name here <emjay@netcom.com>
subject:      re: a stranger is watching....
x-to:         mts5@aber.ac.uk
in-reply-to:  <199510052134.raa14869@netspace.org>

on thu, 5 oct 1995, matthew joseph smith wrote:

>
> i'm billing a couple of other lists (i just did crowded house) to see if
> they've seen his posts too.   let's face it, the indigo girls list is hardly
> a place to start an internet research project, is it?   (unless he's been
> lurking on it for quite some time, which is unlikely considering that (a)
> the 'pk' at the end of his address probably means pakistan and (b) muslims,
> let's face it, are not renowned for their sympathy towards gay people, which
> probably means he doesn't listen to them.)   but why, in his original post,
> did he request girls and women?   what kind of girls/women?
>

the poster found a list with the word "girls" in it; this happens all the
time on #indigo-girls.  chances are high that this person has no clue
that this list is musically related.
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date:         thu, 5 oct 1995 19:21:12 -0400
reply-to:     jude shabry <hey_jude@brown.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         jude shabry <hey_jude@brown.edu>
subject:      re: request for literature
in-reply-to:  your message of "wed, 04 oct 1995 23:47:09 cdt."
              <199510050447.aa077128474@casbah.acns.nwu.edu>

noone, i repeat noone should be sending this moron information about
the people on this list.  if you care to identify yourself for his
little game, go ahead, but do not send anyone else's name, address, or
information.

if i find out about anyone on this list doing so, you wil be removed
immediately for good.

     -jude

>dear,
>thanks for your reply. please facilitate and send e-mail addresses
>of your members or any literature for compilation,coordination and
>cooperation.
>sincerely yours; ghori.
>
>
>
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date:         thu, 5 oct 1995 19:25:43 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              smcgill818@aol.com
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         stephen mcgill <smcgill818@aol.com>
subject:      attn: new yorkers!

can anyone recommend a music store in manhattan that carries rare/imports?
i've just moved here, and have yet to find a decent store that has ig
bootlegs, i mean imports ;)  any help is appreciated.
stephen
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date:         thu, 5 oct 1995 16:45:32 -0700
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              "teresa c. esguerra" <sac83826@saclink1.csus.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "teresa c. esguerra" <sac83826@saclink1.csus.edu>
subject:      re: bury my heart at wounded knee on the radio!!
x-to:         kjarvis@mail2.lmi.org
in-reply-to:  <9509058129.aa812928373@mail2.lmi.org>

on thu, 5 oct 1995 kjarvis@mail2.lmi.org wrote:

>      ps has anyone else heard that 1200 curfews may not be released until
>      oct. 24th?


        no no no no no no no ....oh please god no.  some one tell me no.

grrgggrrrgtggrrgggr,
teri
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date:         thu, 5 oct 1995 21:43:04 edt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              bertin lefkovic <indigboy@eden.rutgers.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         bertin lefkovic <indigboy@eden.rutgers.edu>
subject:      the pope is coming to my party not!!!

what's the big deal about the pope visiting anyway.  it's not like he's amy
or emily.

if i have offended any catholics, i am not sorry.  just be happy i didn't
tear up his picture.  go sinead.

anyway, i have changed the plans for my watching party on october 15th.
since it is a sunday, i have decided to make it an all day affair.  i figured
we can pass the day watching ig videos, listening to ig boots, if anybody
brings guitars we can play and sing ig songs, and watch football.  i know
that is not an ig-related activity, but it is sunday after all.  if any body
is traveling a long way, you are welcome to come out on saturday and stay
saturday night.  e-mail me back if you want any additional information.  i
look forward to meeting any and all of you who decide to come.  also, if you
want to bring a vcr, you are welcome to.  we can figure out a way to record
several tapes at once, or we can do vcr to vcr dubs.  who knows?  anything
can happen this weekend, and hopefully it will, whatever that means.  talk to
y'all soon.

vive la internacionale

bert
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date:         thu, 5 oct 1995 21:56:07 edt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              debbie alexander <st000051@brownvm.brown.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         debbie alexander <st000051@brownvm.brown.edu>
subject:      re: back together again???
x-to:         deb reiser <debbie@mei.com>
in-reply-to:  message of thu, 5 oct 1995 16:49:22 -0500 from <debbie@mei.com>

on thu, 5 oct 1995 16:49:22 -0500 deb reiser said:
>
>also, does it seem strange to anyone else (well besides you, dwayne) that
>tmf isn't listed on 1200 curfews?  tmf is one tune that really grew on me
>after hearing it live and now the studio cut seems so slow and lifeless.
>imho it's one tune that really seems to have matured while touring. any
>other opinions out there?
>

i _completely_ agree about touch me fall...  did anyone else out there see
them at newport folk fest '94?  granted, i've only seen them do that song
3 times, but that performance was quite an experience!   amy's trance-like
state in that middle section left me feeling quite empowered!  i went home
and wrote down all her added lyrics....

i'll stop babbling now, though!

later, y'all,
debbie
toadstool@brown.edu
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date:         thu, 5 oct 1995 22:29:41 edt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              yen m tang <ymt2@lehigh.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         yen m tang <ymt2@lehigh.edu>
subject:      re: the pope is coming to my party not!!!
x-to:         bertin lefkovic <indigboy@eden.rutgers.edu>

hi bert,
i would like to come to your ig party on oct 15. we met briefly at newport.
i'm a friend of phil's and lorinda's. actually, i'm coming with lorinda to
your place. is there anything you want me to bring? thanks for the open
invitation. can't wait for the concert.

yen m tang
ymt2@lehigh.edu

"what i won't give to have the things that mean
the most not to mean the things i miss."
    --e.s. "language or the kiss"
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date:         thu, 5 oct 1995 20:22:00 -0700
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              nme1@axe.humboldt.edu
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
comments:     resent-from: nme1@axe.humboldt.edu
comments:     originally-from: nicole eddy <nme1@axe.humboldt.edu>
from:         nme1@axe.humboldt.edu

please cancel my subscription and don't send me anymore stuff, please! i
keep going over my quota!! thank you,
nicole eddy
nme1@axe.humboldt.edu
=========================================================================
date:         thu, 5 oct 1995 23:19:08 edt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              yen m tang <ymt2@lehigh.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         yen m tang <ymt2@lehigh.edu>
subject:      sorry for the private post

sorry for that extremely irrevelant message to the list

yen m tang
ymt2@lehigh.edu

"what i won't give to have the things that mean
the most not to mean the things i miss."
    --e.s. "language or the kiss"
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date:         thu, 5 oct 1995 20:32:32 -0700
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              michael bunch <mrbcom@earthlink.net>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         michael bunch <mrbcom@earthlink.net>
subject:      re: the pope is coming to my party not!!!

at 09:43 pm 10/5/95 edt, someone thoughtless wrote:

>what's the big deal about the pope visiting anyway.  it's not like he's amy
>or emily.
>
>if i have offended any catholics, i am not sorry.  just be happy i didn't
>tear up his picture.  go sinead.


your respect and compasssion for others beliefs is overwhelming...
i'm sure amy and emily would be proud...not!!!

michael
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date:         fri, 6 oct 1995 00:27:44 -0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              "lori l. collins" <lcollins@jaguar1.usouthal.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "lori l. collins" <lcollins@jaguar1.usouthal.edu>
subject:      nigc-trivia suggestion, horhay's cats, and bert punts the pope
in-reply-to:  <199510060401.aaa00538@netspace.org>

brook ann foster wrote:
> > okay, here's an idea! when you see the subject movie or that annoying movie
> > guy , automatically delete it!!!!

i'm on the digest format and if i were to automatically delete, i'd have
no ig list. i understand your point (i think) of live and let live, get
over it, etc.; but, if i could offer one suggestion - watch the quotes. i
have watched the length of quoted material grow longer, yet the length of
the reply to the quoted material grew shorter.

personally, the idea of having trivia games does not bother me, as long
as i don't have to see every single trivia question and answer (all the
way back to the beginning of the contest) from each contestant... at that
point it is annoying.

also, for some reason, there have been entire posts quoted and then
nothing added.

x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x

horhay said:
> it's not like i killed your cat or something.

bert said:
> if i have offended any catholics, i am not sorry.  just be happy i didn't
> tear up his picture.  go sinead.

cat *and* catholic bashing --- all in one digest. will wonders never
cease? at this point it would probably be appropriate for me to pass
along a little story from my wise old southern gentlemen grandfather...
but i don't think even he could have foreseen cat and catholic bashing!

have fun, but leave those darn cats alone!

lori - survivor of hurricane opal
=========================================================================
date:         fri, 6 oct 1995 01:37:23 -0600
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              greg flamer <gflame@nwu.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         greg flamer <gflame@nwu.edu>
subject:      got my 1200 curfews--it rocks!!

psychh!!!!!!!  (nikki) -that was for you m

i had to do something to get people's attention :)

sorry don't go rushing to the store.  it ain't out yet!  i was just getting
really bored with the list lately.  it's nothing personal so no flames
please.  i think we're all starved for new music or new releases.  i can't
wait til oct. 10 so we can have something to discuss again.  so please
excuse my boredom and addition to the already huge amount of times you've
pressed delete.  have lovely days y'all!

greg

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* 819 forest ave. #2w          mfm520@lulu.acns.nwu.edu  $
& evanston, il  60202          gflame@nwu.edu            *
^                                                        &
*                                                        %
&  "when you're learning to face the path at your pace,  $
$     every choice is worth your while"---indigo girls   @
#                                                        *
!@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*%$
=========================================================================
date:         fri, 6 oct 1995 00:22:38 -0700
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              derek keith moulaison <frisco@uclink2.berkeley.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         derek keith moulaison <frisco@uclink2.berkeley.edu>
subject:      re: nigc:ani difranco
x-to:         horhay <gtuft@niu.edu>
in-reply-to:  <9510051941.aa09465@oats>

you forgot 11/13 in berkeley, ca! i got second row seats. also, i bought
the tickets because everyone raves about her, (i haven't heard her much),
but i think i definitely made a good call! who's says this list isn't
worthwhile?

derek :)

> just in case anyone's interested:
>
> ani difranco will be at:
>
>     10/5     oh  mees aud/columbus                           614/294-7664
>     10/7     mi  state thtr/kalamazoo                        616/345-6500
>     10/11    il  il wesleyan univ./bloomington               309/556-3113
>     10/15    mi  jamrich aud/marquette                       906/226-3532
>     11/1     wa  ??/walla walla                              509/527-5157
>     11/2     wa  mt. baker thtr/bellingham                   360/734-6080
>     11/3     wa  moore thtr/seattle                          206/789-1184
>     11/8     or  buffalo music hall/ashland                  503/488-3570
>     11/18    co  paramount thtr/denver                       303/623-0106
>     12/2     ma  orpheum/boston                              617/661-1252
> bookings: 313/995-9066
> email: lawrence.lazare@hal9k.com
> info: 800/664-3769
> www: http://www.cc.columbia.edu/~marg/ani/
> www: http://world.std.com/~megazone/ani/anihome.html
>
>
>
>
>
>
> horhay
> gtuft@niu.edu
>
=========================================================================
date:         fri, 6 oct 1995 01:14:37 -0700
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              "teresa c. esguerra" <sac83826@saclink1.csus.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "teresa c. esguerra" <sac83826@saclink1.csus.edu>
subject:      least complicated and big fish

another sleepless night y'all,
        everyone got to talking about the indecipherable mumbling at the
beginning of "this train revised" (i'm thinking that emily, amy, and
michael lorant are naming off victims too..) that it has me wondering
about the mumbling at the very end of "least complicated".  i know that
it's probably nothing more than a studio outtake, that peter collins let
the tape roll after the vocals were finished or something like that.  but
it has me puzzled.  i'm just asking if anyone can make the chatter out.
the only thing i've been able to hear (i think!?!) is amy saying to
emily(?) "that's the way i can feel it..."
        speaking of michael lorant, i made a rather shocking discovery
that my sacramento virgin megastore has a copy of "lucky", the latest
release from big fish ensemble.  i've been real curious about this band,
i love michael lorant and scarlet rivera's contributions to ig, and i was
just wondering if anyone has feedback on bfe, and more specifically, the
cd "lucky".

peace and wild geese,
teri
=========================================================================
date:         fri, 6 oct 1995 04:22:42 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              imgalileo@aol.com
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         imgalileo@aol.com
subject:      daily update
x-to:         llevy03@emory.edu
x-cc:         plaine@seaccd.sccd.ctc.edu, pmrlm1@gannonlab.gannon.edu,
              jmcphee884@aol.com, benh@inlink.com, mrbcom@earthlink.net,
              kking@hiwaay.net, vanhemel@posh.internext.com, gre1440@aol.com,
              deannal@parallel.park.uga.edu, locshoot@aol.com,
              nlyng@postoffice.ptd.net, jone3176@saintmarys.edu,
              napikosk@chaph.usc.edu, ph21nh@ph.surrey.ac.uk, debbie@mei.com,
              ecooper@ljcrf.edu, carrieb@gladstone.uoregon.edu,
              yvzy46a@prodigy.com, hrstruggle@aol.com, espizz@simons-rock.edu,
              hummella@craft.camp.clarkson.edu, rickfstr@vnet.ibm.com,
              underdog@onramp.net, esf3764@utarlg.uta.edu,
              rcxsj@unix.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk, gaukroge@students.uiuc.edu,
              km5@ornl.gov, gogirrrl@aol.com, dianne@uci.edu,
              indigoboy@eden.rutgers.edu, aseidner@aol.com, misticwolf@aol.com,
              sept301955@aol.com, indigo@clark.net, maclayto@mhc.mtholyoke.edu,
              daiseyday@eden.rutgers.edu, guinione@aol.com,
              gaukroge@students.uiuc.edu, jlerner@leland.stanford.edu

auction ends 11:59 pm  saturday, october 7th, 95

please remember - cashier's checks or money orders only for payment from high
bid winners. i will update daily.

* a new
item..........................................................................
..................
'tame yourself' cassette ,  out of print. rare
indigo girls & michael stipe (r.e.m.)  sing "i'll give you my skin"
plus 13 other songs by various singers. still sealed !
$14 (skyy)
--------------------------------------------------------
club r & r -  rare cd promo .........................$86 (go girrrl)
--------------------------------------------------------
three hits promotional cd  - full color picture insert
studio version of  "three hits", the rest are live cuts "joking",
"galileo", "ghost", "jonas & ezekial"   -  3 copies available
$32 (ben)  $35 (ron)  $30 (rick)
--------------------------------------------------------
4.5 uk greatest hits promo - rare
(15 track fold out custom promo w/ biography of their career)
$45 (ben)
--------------------------------------------------------
closer to fine uk release promo - rare
(pulled from production - unreleased)
$37 (carolyn)
--------------------------------------------------------
indigo girls guitar pick... $11 (skyy)
--------------------------------------------------------
please email privately ..hope everyone has a good day.

im galileo
=========================================================================
date:         fri, 6 oct 1995 03:30:03 -0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              shelley dianne shay <shelley@jove.acs.unt.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         shelley dianne shay <shelley@jove.acs.unt.edu>
subject:      rdr

i know this has been posted a million (give or take a dozen) times,
but could someone please post the web site address for rdr?

thanks.

-shelley
shelley@jove.acs.unt.edu
=========================================================================
date:         fri, 6 oct 1995 04:44:26 -0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              shelley dianne shay <shelley@jove.acs.unt.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         shelley dianne shay <shelley@jove.acs.unt.edu>
subject:      aol users: help (nigc)

hey there aol-types...

can anyone please email me the email address for the aol admin?

thanks,
-shelley
shelley@jove.acs.unt.edu
=========================================================================
date:         fri, 6 oct 1995 14:49:37 +0800
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              glee <b3102097@cc.ntu.edu.tw>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         glee <b3102097@cc.ntu.edu.tw>
subject:      "welcome me"...:)
in-reply-to:  <27414.199510051124@ph.surrey.ac.uk>

hello; not everybody likes posts like this, but i just subscribed to
this list yesterday and as i'm now sitting in front of my computer
reading all these messages about my favorite group i can't help but want
to say hi there!! i love indigo girls!

i'm from taipei taiwan, a sophomore in university. being gay, amy&emily
are artists i could truly feel connected to. their music is about people
and life and relationships, all of which i'm trying to get a better
understanding of...

it's very difficult to find their music here; so far i've managed to
find "swamp ophelia", "nomads, saints, indians", "strange fire", "rites
of passage". could anyone tell me what else is there that i could find?

ps. this might be a silly question, but which one is amy and which is emily?

gavin lee
=========================================================================
date:         fri, 6 oct 1995 11:38:41 +0100
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              mts5@aber.ac.uk
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         matthew joseph smith <mts5@aber.ac.uk>
subject:      re: the pope is coming to my party not!!!
x-to:         michael bunch <mrbcom@earthlink.net>

from michael bunch:

>at 09:43 pm 10/5/95 edt, someone thoughtless wrote:
>
>>what's the big deal about the pope visiting anyway.  it's not like he's amy
>>or emily.
>>
>>if i have offended any catholics, i am not sorry.  just be happy i didn't
>>tear up his picture.  go sinead.
>
>
>your respect and compasssion for others beliefs is overwhelming...
>i'm sure amy and emily would be proud...not!!!
>
>michael
>

mmm... i've got no time for the pope myself, but i was under the impression
that amy and particularly emily are pretty religious.   so i don't think
they would be.

mat
mts5@aber.ac.uk
=========================================================================
date:         fri, 6 oct 1995 11:54:27 +0100
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              mts5@aber.ac.uk
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         matthew joseph smith <mts5@aber.ac.uk>
subject:      re: bury my heart at wounded knee music
x-to:         casey connor <chc1@cec.wustl.edu>

from casey connor (bmhawk lyrics):

>my girlfriend anna may, she talked about uranium
>her head was full of bullets and her body dumped
>the fbi cut off her hands and told us she died of exposure

didn't amy say something at the end of here, like "sure" or "bullshit" or
something?

and did this really happen to someone?

mat
mts5@aber.ac.uk
=========================================================================
date:         fri, 6 oct 1995 06:59:12 edt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              ms janet m vansyckel <mglz19b@prodigy.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         ms janet m vansyckel <mglz19b@prodigy.com>
subject:      new ig song "the thin line"

if this is old news to the list i apologize for wasting the space
but....................

this song is new to *my* ears anyway and i can hardly contain myself!!!
aaaahhhhhhhh!!!

wbos (92.9) boston just played the ig song called the "the thin line"
from the 1200 album. has anyone else heard it yet???

from what i can hear it seem to be an amy song because she is singing
the lead. the general theme of the song is about giving to much of
yourself in a relationship so you loose yourself. here are a few of the
words i was able to scribble down.

"i always try to make it more.........it ends up less" (this line i
don't think i have correctly)

the chorus seems to be. "there's a thin line between pleasing yourself
and pleasing somebody else"

in one of the versus is the line ".....now i'm trying to get back what
i should be....

the harmony's are *wonderful* and the instrumental arrangement has a
swamp feel to it. it sounds like a studio recording, not live because i
heard no wild crowds cheering at the end.

there is now no doubt in my mind. i must have 1200 curfews!!

- jan
=========================================================================
date:         fri, 6 oct 1995 11:52:16 +0100
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              mr neil hunt <ph21nh@ph.surrey.ac.uk>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         mr neil hunt <ph21nh@ph.surrey.ac.uk>
subject:      re: a stranger is watching....

cool :)

some guy wants an 'indigo girl' to 'comfort' him and so he's asking for our
lists...

i now announce...the indigo girls dating agency...

an email list where you can find the scarlet woman of your dreams...

let the fun begin...

@}--,--'----


ps. seriously, if you think long and hard enough...some clueless people might
really think that they could....naaaah...

oh, and just as a matter of pickiness...email by fax...you can get puters
linked up to fax machines, so...if you're not speaking english as your first
language, then...

  neily :)            indigogirlsjellyfishdeaconblueedenburningtracychapmanaimee
   41 mountside        mannbeatlesbuddyhollydannywilsonbillyjoelshawncolvinmaria
    guildford           mckeefairgroundattractioneverlybrothersdelamitribandomd
     @}--,--'---         royorbisonjuliemillerjamroxettecarolekingandmanymore...
=========================================================================
date:         fri, 6 oct 1995 12:44:31 +0100
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              fiona sanderson <fionas@rmplc.co.uk>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         fiona sanderson <fionas@rmplc.co.uk>
subject:      re: this train mumble
x-to:         "teresa c. esguerra" <sac83826@saclink1.csus.edu>

>another sleepless night y'all,
>        everyone got to talking about the indecipherable mumbling at the
>beginning of "this train revised" (i'm thinking that emily, amy, and
>michael lorant are naming off victims too..) that it has me wondering
>about the mumbling at the very end of "least complicated".  i know that
>it's probably nothing more than a studio outtake, that peter collins let
>the tape roll after the vocals were finished or something like that.  but
>it has me puzzled.  i'm just asking if anyone can make the chatter out.
>the only thing i've been able to hear (i think!?!) is amy saying to
>emily(?) "that's the way i can feel it..."
sounds like "that's the way it is" to me
have you seen the london concert video (94)? what does it say on amy's t shirt?
bye y'all, fiona
=========================================================================
date:         fri, 6 oct 1995 07:59:32 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              randy rohrer <rohrer@seas.gwu.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         randy rohrer <rohrer@seas.gwu.edu>
subject:      re: new ig song "the thin line"
x-to:         mglz19b@prodigy.com

   "thin line" is a gerard mchugh song.
   it appears on his album "more than i".

   gerard is one of "decatur junta" (cool atlanta-based musicians).
   you can get his music from rdr (and probably other fine establishments).
   i particularly like his newest release "yard sale" which feature
   my favorites "emily's rainbow" and "21st century don quioxte".

   gerard plays the part of pontius pilot on the atlanta jcs album.

- randy

--
randy rohrer                       |  "that's a major powell sky!"
the george washington university   |  - gary bolton, rivergod
department of ee&cs                |
rohrer@seas.gwu.edu   http://www.seas.gwu.edu/student/rohrer/
=========================================================================
date:         fri, 6 oct 1995 08:05:18 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              julie and david van hemel <vanhemel@posh.internext.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         julie and david van hemel <vanhemel@posh.internext.com>
subject:      re: new ig song "the thin line"
x-to:         ms janet m vansyckel <mglz19b@prodigy.com>

>wbos (92.9) boston just played the ig song called the "the thin line"
>from the 1200 album. has anyone else heard it yet???
>
>from what i can hear it seem to be an amy song because she is singing
>the lead. the general theme of the song is about giving to much of
>yourself in a relationship so you loose yourself. here are a few of the
>words i was able to scribble down.

actually, this is a song by atlanta singer-songwriter gerard mchugh.  it's
on his 1991 or 1992 album on daemon records called "more than i."  i think
amy and emily have been covering it since at least that time.  it is a
great song.

julie
=========================================================================
date:         fri, 6 oct 1995 14:03:38 +0100
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              mr neil hunt <ph21nh@ph.surrey.ac.uk>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         mr neil hunt <ph21nh@ph.surrey.ac.uk>
subject:      re: new ig song "the thin line"

didn't someone say that that particular track was taped in a dressing room
somwhere (california springs to mind, but i may just have been listening to
too much joni mitchell recently...) hence the no crowd noise...

shades of paul mccartney's 'tripping the live fantastic' set i feel...

@}--,--'---


  neily :)            indigogirlsjellyfishdeaconblueedenburningtracychapmanaimee
   41 mountside        mannbeatlesbuddyhollydannywilsonbillyjoelshawncolvinmaria
    guildford           mckeefairgroundattractioneverlybrothersdelamitribandomd
     @}--,--'---         royorbisonjuliemillerjamroxettecarolekingandmanymore...
=========================================================================
date:         fri, 6 oct 1995 08:39:18 est
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              kjarvis@mail2.lmi.org
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         kjarvis@mail2.lmi.org
subject:      shawn mullins & matthew kahler in dc (sigc)

     since this wasn't listed on their homepages, i thought i'd let every
     in the washington, dc area know that the city paper lists sean (that's
     how they spelled it) mullins and matthew kahler performing at food for
     thought on saturday (10/7) and sunday (10/8).

     food for thought is a restaurant in dupont circle and from what i've
     heard artists perform for tips only.  i'll be doing my tipping on
     saturday. :)

     now for the igc.  does anyone know when the bury my heart at wounded
     knee single will be available for purchase?

     kris..."kayjay"
=========================================================================
date:         fri, 6 oct 1995 10:02:43 edt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              bertin lefkovic <indigboy@eden.rutgers.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         bertin lefkovic <indigboy@eden.rutgers.edu>
subject:      re: the pope is coming to my party not!!!
x-to:         indigo girls mailing list
              <indigo-girls%netspace.org@rutvm1.rutgers.edu>,
              michael bunch <mrbcom@earthlink.net>
in-reply-to:  your message of thu, 5 oct 1995 20:32:32 -0700

nothing i said showed any lack of respect and compassion for anyone's beliefs
other than the pope's who has ceased to be a religious or spiritual figure,
and instead has entered the world of politics, which makes it open season on
him for any snide remarks to be thrown his way.  i attacked one person and
anyone who is silly enough to feel like their beliefs were defamed in some
way, i feel very sorry for, because you cannot disassciate (sp) yourself from
a demagoguic (sp) figurehead.  but, i am not sorry for what i said, and i am
sure that to this day, sinead is not sorry for what she did, even thoough it
crippled her career.  if you have a problem with this... tough.  if the
damage done ever appears at an ig tribute concert in madison square garden,
20-30 years from now, you can try to boo me off the stage like thoise jerks
at the bob dylan tribute did to sinead, but it won't work.

and if you think that a & e really care about anything that i (or anybody for
thast matter) say... keep dreaming.

vive la internacionale

bert
=========================================================================
date:         fri, 6 oct 1995 11:01:04 -24000
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              "judith k. hunter" <jhunter@rtc.gov>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "judith k. hunter" <jhunter@rtc.gov>
subject:      native american catalog

today i received a catalog from the southwest indian foundation, p. o. box
86, gallup, new mexico 87302-0001 which contains jewlery, clothing, pictures,
etc made by native americans.  the foundation distributes christmas food
baskets to needy families and collects funds to repair or replace large
household items such as wood stoves.. each wood stove costs $274.00 and last
year they installed 68 new stoves.  they have a wonderful story about a
little girl named emily.....
=========================================================================
date:         fri, 6 oct 1995 10:48:37 -0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              "kevin l. stamber" <stamber@ecn.purdue.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "kevin l. stamber" <stamber@ecn.purdue.edu>
subject:      re: bury my heart on dc101
in-reply-to:  <199510060411.xaa12092@harbor.ecn.purdue.edu> from "automatic
              digest processor" at oct 6, 95 00:01:12 am

"bury my heart at wounded knee" on dc 101?

yes!

this is a huge step.  if this continues, it means that
stations like wdve in pittsburgh (you know, mainline
rock/alternative stations) will be playing the girls
shortly...

...which means that we'll hear them on the air here in
the middle of indiana, oh, say the turn of the century. ;)

at the very least, i'll get to hear the girls on the radio
when i visit my brother for thanksgiving.

wow...this is so cool! (now we do the dance of joy)

kevin
=========================================================================
date:         fri, 6 oct 1995 12:16:17 edt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              lorinda wright <lw01@lehigh.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         lorinda wright <lw01@lehigh.edu>
subject:      bmhawk and opal

ok, a quick question from a very naive person who wants to better herself with
knowledge.  can someone give me a brief rundown of what actually happened at
wounded knee? i'm embarrassed that i don't know, and i'd like to a) understand
the song better, b) understand a and e's devotion to the cause better, and c)
understand the history of native americans better. so, can anyone fill me in
please?

and, i'm surprised no one has mentioned this yet, but do y'all realize that
atlanta was flooded by the hurricane yesterday???? do you realize that 6 people
(i think) in georgia died??? i was watching the news last night (we had
tornado warnings in our area, yikes!) and i was looking at pictures of an
amusement park in atlanta that was mostly submerged and thinking, oh my god! i
hope everyone's ok!!! and i'm also thinking of the people on this list who were
pounded by the storm. how are y'all doing out there? hopefully no more than
just wet.

and i might as well comment on the looking for literature posts while i'm
here. am i right in assuming that this is a middle eastern man going online to
look for, well, a woman? am i right in thinking to myself, "eeeeeeewwwwwwww!"?

folkisgruven, y'all
lorindigo

iwillnotbecomplacentiwillnotbecomplacentiwillnotbecomplacentiwillnotbecomplac
w                                                                           e
i lorinda wright           "learn to pretend there's more than love that    n
l lw01@lehigh.edu           matters. -e.s.                                  t
l lehigh university                                                         i
n bethlehem, pa                                                             w
o                        "a ghost of comfort, angel's breath to keep this   i
t                         life inside my chest." -a.r.                      l
b                                                                           l
e      "a thousand guitar strings - amy ; two guitar strings - emily        n
c                                                                           o
omplacentiwillnotbecomplacentiwillnotbecomplacentiwillnotbecomplacentiwillnot
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date:         fri, 6 oct 1995 11:58:37 -0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              "james c. driskell iii" <jcd0001@jove.acs.unt.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "james c. driskell iii" <jcd0001@jove.acs.unt.edu>
subject:      request for information....

hello all...

i am relatively new to the list...but have been an ig fan for about 3
years...i am interested in finding recordings done by the girls before
"strange fire" it can be either ep's, other studio recordings, tapes,
bootlegs, singles...whatever...i just want to get the songs that are
available out there that are not on any of their current releases through
epic records....i would be most appreciative to get word from anyone who
would be willing to assist me in acquiring either copies or originals.
(copies must be of high quality) thank you one and all.


               "the heart and the mind on a parallel course,
                  never the two shall meet...." e.s.

          "i am the king of all i see...my kingdom for a voice.."

standing on the edge of forever....

jim driskell
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date:         fri, 6 oct 1995 10:05:22 -0700
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              "amy j. putnam" <pegasus@crl.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "amy j. putnam" <pegasus@crl.com>
subject:      remains of opal

on the phone with perry at rdr...aside from tree stuff in their yard
they survived with no damage themselves.  everyone is fine and dandy.
perry knows there was quite a bit of damage in the area but didnt
report any to folks we know and love.  they havent heard of anyone
from the music coimmunity being hard hit.

just though i would pass this along...


amy p.                          /       who holds your hand
pegasus@crl.com                /        when you're alone
                              /
the original photo monk      /                  --patty larkin
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date:         fri, 6 oct 1995 12:41:01 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              deb <indigo@clark.net>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         deb <indigo@clark.net>
subject:      re: irrelevancies

brooke ann foster <rascal@vax1.bemidji.msus.edu> wrote:

>okay, i would like to publicly apolagize for losing my temper.  i did not know
>that there was a system where one could be charged for each message that come
>in to them. on that point, i agree that messages should be kept to ig
>content.

i don't pay for my messages, but right now my money is *far* more
expendable than my time, and when you're on as many lists as i am, every
extended off-topic thread makes a difference. i don't by any means mind the
occasional off-topic post. but a lengthy thread is somewhat of an
annoyance, especially on a list as busy as this one is already. and,
unfortunately, the ig-news list was disbanded due to lack of interest.

--
deb \ indigo@clark.net \ 10-06 12:41 est \ http://www.clark.net/pub/indigo
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date:         fri, 6 oct 1995 14:19:50 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              kmitchel@cs.utk.edu
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "kevin j. mitchell" <kmitchel@cs.utk.edu>
subject:      disney special?

   can somebody e-mail me and let me know how long the indigo girls
special is, on the disney channel.  i am in the process of getting
someone to tape it for me, but i figured it would help if i knew how
long it was as well as when it was on.  thank you to whoever responds.

kevin mitchell
e-mail: kmitchel@cs.utk.edu
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date:         fri, 6 oct 1995 13:54:20 -0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              casey connor <chc1@cec.wustl.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         casey connor <chc1@cec.wustl.edu>
subject:      re: bury my heart at wounded knee music
in-reply-to:  <9510061055.aa03837@cec.wustl.edu>

> >my girlfriend anna may, she talked about uranium
> >her head was full of bullets and her body dumped
> >the fbi cut off her hands and told us she died of exposure
>
> didn't amy say something at the end of here, like "sure" or "bullshit" or
> something?

yeah, that's in the music i uploaded, isn't it? i distinctly remember typing
something like "bullshit, (except i think amy says "right" on comp g's)"

i hope i didn't upload the wrong version or something... :-)

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date:         fri, 6 oct 1995 14:02:42 -0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              alyssa kramer <akramer@d.umn.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         alyssa kramer <akramer@d.umn.edu>
subject:      re: disney special?
x-to:         kmitchel@cs.utk.edu
in-reply-to:  <199510061819.oaa25883@coke.cs.utk.edu>

hey everybody!
  i don't know how long the disney special is.  i dont even know when its
on for that matter!  can somebody give me dates and times?  thanks!

alyssa kramer
akramer@d.umn.edu
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date:         fri, 6 oct 1995 14:03:38 -0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              casey connor <chc1@cec.wustl.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         casey connor <chc1@cec.wustl.edu>
subject:      ***e magazine article on indigo girls***

here is the e magazine article on the recent tour. if you want a
subscription or to order back issues or whatever, here's some info:

subscription info:

e the environmental magazine
subscription department
p.o. box 699
mount morris, il 61054-7589

(203) 854-5559 (earth action network, inc., the publishers, office #)

$20/year, $36/2 years, $50/three years.

i neither work for nor do i receive any compensation from anyone related
to the above...to my knowledge anyway. :-)

---------------------------------------------------------------
from e magazine, september/october 1995, pp.'s 25, 26. (fab issue!)
cover has an ape behind bars, title "our agony over animals; achieving
empathy for the non-human world is a slow and painful process"...
used without any form of permission whatsoever.

        _honoring_ the_ earth_

        the indigo girls tour to benefit native american environmentalism

        giggling and nervous, the young boys in eagle headdresses, feathers,
and jingling deerskin boots swooped across the makeshift stage. at their
backs, a diffident corps of walatowan drummers pounded out a thudding
beat on their massive instruments. mischievous four-year-olds slipped on
the roadie's headphones and bobbed their heads to the music. across the
gym, a passing boy playfully mugged for a string of nikons and
video-cams, while others flashed peace signs to the crowd. the kids were
clearly amused by the media attention, the famous rock stars and their
musical gear. but to the new mexican pueblo village, the concert promised
much more: folk-rockers the indigo girls and native american activist
winona laduke were there to help them raise money and consciousness, and to
defend their land and culture from a new form of cavalry charge.

        when the indigo girls launched into a short set through the tiny
public address speakers, their performance capped off the cultural
exchange on one of five reservations the band visited in a month-long
tour for native environmental organizations. earlier this day, tribal
leaders and activists had educated the entourage on local environmental
issues, including nuclear dumping, clear cutting and toxic waste.

        the largest-ever benefit of its kind (a $300,000 gross), the tour
included 16 concerts in western cities and finally wound down in early
june. concert-goers watched an evocative film on native environmental
issues and received information packets with postcards to local decision
makers (an estimated 20,000 were returned). opening acts were native
bands like poet joy harjo's poetic justice, which kicked off the santa fe
and phoenix dates.

        the indigo girls, long-time performers for women's and children's
issues, gay rights and animal rights, have recently turned their focus to
environmental and native concerns. after meeting winona laduke several
years ago at an earth day rally, they were taken with her politics and
subsequently performed several benefits, culminating in e "honor the
earth" tour.

        the tour, which encompassed visits to the arizona dineh and hopi
reservations, plus the alaskan eyak community, was a pet project of
indigo girl amy ray. "this tour is something i had been looking forward
to for two years. i think it's one of the most important things we've
done as far as our personal growth goes."

        the event was sponsored by the seventh generation fund and the
indigenous women's network, a coalition of more than 400 activists and
organizations that supports native women's grassroots environmental
projects. all proceeds went into an "endangered peoples, endangered
species" fund, which will funnel unprecedented resources directly into
front-line indian environmental groups.

        "some of the issues we're dealing with have to do with defending
home-lands and sacred sites, and the basic problems with nuclear waste
and nuclear testing, uranium and coal-mining, gold mining and clear
cutting," ray says. "we're [also] talking about things like language
recovery and protection of religious freedom, which will help protect
specific sacred sites. we feel that the way to save our environment is to
save the cultural diversity."

        such is the philosophy of the indigenous women's network (iwn),
conceived 10 years ago in an effort to empower grass-roots activists. iwn
seeks to increase visibility of these women, who are frequently unknown
outside the indian community and, due to geographic and technological
isolation, even to each other. according to chairperson laduke, "despite
the many threats to our survival, vibrant native communities and cultures
still exist. on my and many other reservations and reserves, we are
working to reclaim our culture, our traditions and our language. we are
developing alternative energy, gardening, weaving, wild ricing and maple
sugaring projects--sustainable communities that are built around our
practice of honoring the earth."

        while sustainable communities are still being developed, however,
these activists must continue to battle proposals to log and store waste
on indian lands. to date, 100 separate toxic waste projects have been
proposed, in addition to a plethora of garbage, asbestos and sewage
sludge disposal offers. if that weren't enough, the u.s. department of
energy has approached nearly every indian nation, offering millions of
dollars in exchange for 40 years' above-ground storage of high-level
nuclear waste.

        then there are the corporate proposals, which must first be
approved by the bureau of indian affairs (bia), which is hampered both by
staff shortages and an apparent lack of interest in enforcing
environmental protection of native lands.

        the fact that pivotal environmental battles center on indian
land is no accident. native people are the second-largest land holders
next to the federal government. approximately two-thirds of the nation's
uranium deposits, along with significant deposits of oil and natural gas
and more than 15 million acres of forest sit on u.s. indian land.

        one of the iwn members that will receive tour proceeds is
navajo-run dineh citizens against ruining our environment (care). in
concert with greenpeace, this navajo group successfully fought a proposed
waste incinerator on e dilkon, arizona reservation. care cites the initial
difficulty of persuading tribal elders of the potential danger because of
a language gap: the navajo language has no word for "hazardous." the
closest word is "scary."

        tour proceeds will also be donated to activists in places like
alaska's point hope indian village, population 700, which has 54 reported
cancer, miscarriage, deformity and sterilization cases, as well as
contamination of their hunting grounds from radioactive isotopes left
there as a government experiment in human genealogy. point hope needs to
rebuild its sense of community, and funds from the "honor the earth" tour
will help it do that.

        contact: indigenous women's network, p.o. box 174, lake elmo, mn
55042/(612) 770-3861; care, 10a town plaza, suite 138, durango, co
81301/(303) 259-0199.

-heidi utz
-------------------------

there you go folks.

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date:         fri, 6 oct 1995 12:02:18 -0700
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              laura kearney <laura_kearney.pathmail@quickmail.ucsf.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         laura kearney <laura_kearney.pathmail@quickmail.ucsf.edu>
subject:      re: disney special?

mail*link(r) smtp               re> disney special?

>   can somebody e-mail me and let me know how long the indigo girls
>special is, on the disney channel.  i am in the process of getting
>someone to tape it for me, but i figured it would help if i knew how
>long it was as well as when it was on.  thank you to whoever responds.

>kevin mitchell
>e-mail: kmitchel@cs.utk.edu

i would like to know similar information so please post the disney special
information to the whole list.
thanks,
laura
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date:         fri, 6 oct 1995 14:12:58 -0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              alyssa kramer <akramer@d.umn.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         alyssa kramer <akramer@d.umn.edu>
subject:      re: got my 1200 curfews--it rocks!!
x-to:         greg flamer <gflame@nwu.edu>
in-reply-to:  <v01510107ac9a8be18eea@[129.105.9.101]>

on fri, 6 oct 1995, greg flamer wrote:

> psychh!!!!!!!  (nikki) -that was for you m
>
> i had to do something to get people's attention :)
>
> sorry don't go rushing to the store.  it ain't out yet!  i was just getting
> really bored with the list lately.  it's nothing personal so no flames
> please.  i think we're all starved for new music or new releases.  i can't
> wait til oct. 10 so we can have something to discuss again.  so please
> excuse my boredom and addition to the already huge amount of times you've
> pressed delete.  have lovely days y'all!
>
> greg
>
> !@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*!*
> # greg m. flamer               northwestern university   @
> * 819 forest ave. #2w          mfm520@lulu.acns.nwu.edu  $
> & evanston, il  60202          gflame@nwu.edu            *
> ^                                                        &
> *                                                        %
> &  "when you're learning to face the path at your pace,  $
> $     every choice is worth your while"---indigo girls   @
> #                                                        *
> !@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*%$
>

greg,
that was not funny!!  but hey, you got my attention!
alyssa

akramer@d.umn.edu
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date:         fri, 6 oct 1995 15:29:33 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              nancy humphries <nancy@rbdc.rbdc.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         nancy humphries <nancy@rbdc.rbdc.com>
subject:      ig's on disney - schedule

i'm de-lurking for the moment to post the dates of the ig special on
the disney channel in october & november. i got this info from the
disney channel magazine.

october 15 - 9:00 pm
october 27 - 10:35 pm

november 4 - 10:30 pm
november 16 - 9:30 pm

this is the write-up in the magazine


                        "indigo girls in london"

this concert special features the acclaimed folk-inspired duo indigo girls
performing their hits "closer to fine," "ghost," and "galileo." (1995;
0:45)


(o:45 is the length of the special)


nancy
nancy@rbdc.rbdc.com
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date:         fri, 6 oct 1995 14:39:30 -0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              carolyn <underdog@onramp.net>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         carolyn <underdog@onramp.net>
subject:      blue food

from the 'i may live to regret this but i've got to try it' file:

motivation:
to try to help some people who are looking for a copy of blue food

the deal:
if you are interested email me privately (don't forget to take the ig list
out of the 'to' field) by friday, october 13th
i will email you my mailing address
you send me a blank 60 min tape with a return sase
i return your tape to you with blue food on it

the limit:
i am one woman with a tape deck, i will do my best to help as many people as
i can but may have to cut the offer off if i get too many requests

the catch:
if someone else is looking for the tape in the future, please do your best
to help them out

the future?:
if this goes okay i may try it again later with a different tape

take care -

carolyn
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date:         fri, 6 oct 1995 16:00:45 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              michael s kilgour <mkilgour@gac.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         michael s kilgour <mkilgour@gac.edu>
subject:      someone help!
in-reply-to:  <pine.sol.3.91.951006135542.23278f-100000@clarion.cec.wustl.edu>
              from "casey connor" at oct 6, 95 02:03:38 pm

all right, as everyone knows by now the disney channel thing is happening
soon.  my problem is i can't get the disney channel here at college,
i checked (yes, i was going to get it just for the concert).  so if anyone
could help me out by recording it or dubbing it or whatever, i would be
forever in debt to you.  if you can help out please email me at:
mkilgour@gac.edu.  we can then discuss details.  thanks in advance.
-mike-
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date:         fri, 6 oct 1995 13:25:08 -0700
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              dianne <dianne@uci.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         dianne <dianne@uci.edu>
subject:      looking for littleriverband
in-reply-to:  <199510061953.oaa22337@hermes.gac.edu>

gang? i am looking for someone-anyone with "sleeper catcher", tape, cd,
album? i would truly appreciate help in finding this album or
recording!!!!! i have tried rainyday, but they aren't carrying it at
all.... someone's got to have this album somewhere!


--di
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date:         fri, 6 oct 1995 16:48:05 edt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              lorinda wright <lw01@lehigh.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         lorinda wright <lw01@lehigh.edu>
subject:      ig on the radio, and a little story

well, i'm excited. i just heard bmhawk on the radio. cool. what's even cooler
is that y100 (100.3) in philly is giving 1200 curfews away all weekend. i'm
listening right now for my chance to be the 100th caller. not likely, but
worth a try!

and i was listening to one of my new boots over last weekend. the show was
"live at the greek" 8/20/94, and right after land of canaan, and before
language or the kiss there is this delightful little conversation from amy and
emily. now, i'm typing this in for you guys because when i heard it i was
laughing so damn hard i thought i'd drive off the road. unfortunately, i doubt
it's going to be as funny reading it as it was hearing it. (ya probably hadda
be there,) but we'll see what you guys think anyway. to set the scene, they've
just finished land of canaan, and people are apparently throwing flowers up on
stage for them:

e: when y'all...when you throw those things on stage you throw them so _hard_.
[then in a mock angry voice imitating an angry, flower-throwing fan,] 'here's
some _flowers_!!!  uuuhhh!! [that's the noise of her pretending to throw
flowers as hard as she can]

[much laughter from e and the audience, (and me)]

a: well, you know, it's a long way up here. [cracks up laughing mid-sentence]
a: (continues) we're gonna start throwing stuff back. we're gonna bring our
own little [indecipherable due to crowd noise] cuz i have to tell you. we were
playing this show. i can't remember where it was, but this girl gave me some
beads, and, and i took them [laughs]. cuz i, i liked them, and umm, the whole
rest of the show she said, 'what are ya gonna give me?' the whole time. and i
leaned down and i said, 'do you want me to give you something?' i said 'i
thought this was a present' she said, 'you have to give me something back.'
[laughs] and i gave her the beads back. [laughs  and audience cheers]. but
then, i have to say i felt really stupid because i was talking to this
deadhead friend of mine, and they said it's like a tradition to _exchange_
beads. [laughs] so i decided i need to bring some beads, and that's what we're
gonna start doing. [cheers from audience]. i was being all selfish and stuff,
y'know? [laughs again.]


so there it is. just thought i'd share that with those of you who have never
heard this. the whole thing was _really_ funny. and to ask the next most
obvious question, anyone ever get any beads from them?

folkisgruven,
lorindigo

iwillnotbecomplacentiwillnotbecomplacentiwillnotbecomplacentiwillnotbecomplac
w                                                                           e
i lorinda wright           "learn to pretend there's more than love that    n
l lw01@lehigh.edu           matters. -e.s.                                  t
l lehigh university                                                         i
n bethlehem, pa                                                             w
o                        "a ghost of comfort, angel's breath to keep this   i
t                         life inside my chest." -a.r.                      l
b                                                                           l
e      "a thousand guitar strings - amy ; two guitar strings - emily        n
c                                                                           o
omplacentiwillnotbecomplacentiwillnotbecomplacentiwillnotbecomplacentiwillnot
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date:         fri, 6 oct 1995 16:45:24 -0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              casey connor <chc1@cec.wustl.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         casey connor <chc1@cec.wustl.edu>
subject:      ***e magazine picture online***

i scanned in the picture from the article. here's the url:

http://www.cec.wustl.edu/~casey/pages/indigo.html

the page is pitifully out of date. and don't be fooled by the year-old
"coming" soon stuff you'll see... i've only now begun to update my home
page... :-) i don't even have a link to the ig home page...

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date:         fri, 6 oct 1995 16:28:48 -0700
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              laurie higgins <stompbox@ix.netcom.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         laurie higgins <stompbox@ix.netcom.com>
subject:      re: bmhawk and opal

you wrote:
>
>ok, a quick question from a very naive person who wants to better
herself with
>knowledge.  can someone give me a brief rundown of what actually
happened at
>wounded knee? i'm embarrassed that i don't know, and i'd like to a)
understand
>the song better, b) understand a and e's devotion to the cause better,
and c)
>understand the history of native americans better. so, can anyone fill
me in
>please?
>
>and, i'm surprised no one has mentioned this yet, but do y'all realize
that
>atlanta was flooded by the hurricane yesterday???? do you realize that
6 people
>(i think) in georgia died??? i was watching the news last night (we
had
>tornado warnings in our area, yikes!) and i was looking at pictures of
an
>amusement park in atlanta that was mostly submerged and thinking, oh
my god! i
>hope everyone's ok!!! and i'm also thinking of the people on this list
who were
>pounded by the storm. how are y'all doing out there? hopefully no more
than
>just wet.
>

..............hey, we are fine, lots of trees came down, the power
went out and stayed out, but things are mostly fine.  as for flooding,
yes there was some, but not alot and i think the news likes to show the
best film footage they can get, so no, we didn't drown.... :)
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date:         fri, 6 oct 1995 19:36:58 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              imgalileo@aol.com
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         imgalileo@aol.com
subject:      update
x-to:         llevy03@emory.edu
x-cc:         plaine@seaccd.sccd.ctc.edu, pmrlm1@gannonlab.gannon.edu,
              jmcphee884@aol.com, benh@inlink.com, mrbcom@earthlink.net,
              kking@hiwaay.net, vanhemel@posh.internext.com, gre1440@aol.com,
              deannal@parallel.park.uga.edu, nlyng@postoffice.ptd.net,
              jone3176@saintmarys.edu, napikosk@chaph.usc.edu,
              ph21nh@ph.surrey.ac.uk, debbie@mei.com, ecooper@ljcrf.edu,
              carrieb@gladstone.uoregon.edu, yvzy46a@prodigy.com,
              espizz@simons-rock.edu, hummella@craft.camp.clarkson.edu,
              rickfstr@vnet.ibm.com, underdog@onramp.net,
              esf3764@utarlg.uta.edu, rcxsj@unix.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk,
              gaukroge@students.uiuc.edu, km5@ornl.gov, gogirrrl@aol.com,
              dianne@uci.edu, indigoboy@eden.rutgers.edu, aseidner@aol.com,
              misticwolf@aol.com, sept301955@aol.com,
              maclayto@mhc.mtholyoke.edu, daiseyday@eden.rutgers.edu,
              guinione@aol.com, gaukroge@students.uiuc.edu,
              jlerner@leland.stanford.edu

auction ends 11:59 pm  saturday, october 7th, 95

please remember - cashier's checks or money orders only for payment from high
bid winners. i will update daily.

* a new
item..........................................................................
..................
'tame yourself' cassette ,  out of print. rare
indigo girls & michael stipe (r.e.m.)  sing "i'll give you my skin"
plus 13 other songs by various singers. still sealed !
$15 (96jjohns)
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club r & r -  rare cd promo .........................$93 (sept301955)
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three hits promotional cd  - full color picture insert
studio version of  "three hits", the rest are live cuts "joking",
"galileo", "ghost", "jonas & ezekial"   -  3 copies available
$35 (paula)  $35 (ron)  $40 (dianne)
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4.5 uk greatest hits promo - rare
(15 track fold out custom promo w/ biography of their career)
$45 (ben)
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closer to fine uk release promo - rare
(pulled from production - unreleased)
$37 (carolyn)
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indigo girls guitar pick... $11 (skyy)
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please email privately...i'll keep updating throughout the next two days.

im galileo
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date:         fri, 6 oct 1995 17:49:35 edt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              mary clark <mryclrk@eden.rutgers.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         mary clark <mryclrk@eden.rutgers.edu>
subject:      re: back together again???
x-to:         indigo girls mailing list
              <indigo-girls%netspace.org@rutvm1.rutgers.edu>,
              deb reiser <debbie@mei.com>
in-reply-to:  your message of thu, 5 oct 1995 16:49:22 -0500

i totally agree with the person who said tmf has matured with time.  it's
practically a different song now!  i can't believe they didn't include a
tmf(maybe with cortez the killer in it) on the double live set.  i'm kinda
dissapointed that they didn't choose more songs conducive to a "live" cd.
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date:         fri, 6 oct 1995 18:01:40 edt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              mary clark <mryclrk@eden.rutgers.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         mary clark <mryclrk@eden.rutgers.edu>
subject:      re: daily update
x-to:         indigo girls mailing list
              <indigo-girls%netspace.org@rutvm1.rutgers.edu>, imgalileo@aol.com
in-reply-to:  your message of fri, 6 oct 1995 04:22:42 -0400

i haven't said anything about this cause i don't wanna start any fights, but
i find it intensely sad that someone is paying $45 for 4.5 when i
could get it down
the street for twenty (and you could probably ask some english person on the
list to get it for you too) not to mention, as someone already said, that
there are tame yourself cd's in every record store on earth for ten to $15
dollars.  is this markup because some of these people live in the boondocks?
or because they don't get out much?  i guess i don't understand the
appeal of 4.5 anyway, since it is all previously released songs with a
weird looking bird on the cover.  next we'll be auctioning off used
copies of live at the uptown lounge.
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date:         fri, 6 oct 1995 21:16:36 est
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              "buck, kristin j" <kbuck@nmu.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "buck, kristin j" <kbuck@nmu.edu>
subject:      re: attn: new yorkers!
x-to:         smcgill818@aol.com
in-reply-to:  in reply to your message of thu, 05 oct 1995 18:25:43 est

try vinyl solutions.  walk around the village!!!!!!!
>can anyone recommend a music store in manhattan that carries rare/imports?
> i've just moved here, and have yet to find a decent store that has ig
>bootlegs, i mean imports ;)  any help is appreciated.
>stephen
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date:         sat, 7 oct 1995 10:21:54 +0800
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              amanda hayman <ath@gol.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         amanda hayman <ath@gol.com>

please unscubscribe me - i can't keep up with the volume of mail.

sorry to send this to the whole list, but i can't figure out another way.
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date:         fri, 6 oct 1995 19:15:41 -0700
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              "amy j. putnam" <pegasus@crl.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "amy j. putnam" <pegasus@crl.com>
subject:      looking for worth lofollette (nigc)

sorry folks...worthy i am trying to answr your e-mail but it is
oucining.  please write again.


amy p.                          /       who holds your hand
pegasus@crl.com                /        when you're alone
                              /
the original photo monk      /                  --patty larkin
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date:         sat, 7 oct 1995 13:12:36 +1000
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              piquet the cat <piquet@geko.com.au>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         piquet the cat <piquet@geko.com.au>
subject:      fonts 'n stuff

hi folks,

just a couple of questions regarding fonts, just 'cos i'm a curious
nit-picker type person...

anyone seen the font used for the lyrics on the liner of so (and in
the songbook) before?  i think i really like it... :)

also, where does the cursive-writing 'indigo girls' which is used on
the back-liner of 'complicated girls' and which i think marianne also
has on her web page originate?

i keep feeling like these things are things that i should already know. :)

life trundles on...
sherlyn

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piquet the cat - piquet@geko.com.au; aka sherlyn koo - sherlyn@geko.com.au
"well life has a funny way of sneaking up on you when you think everything's
        okay and everything's going right...
and life has a funny way of helping you out when you think everything's gone
        wrong and everything blows up in your face..."
                        - alanis morissette, "ironic"
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date:         fri, 6 oct 1995 22:38:29 -0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              "dale saukerson (dale saukerson)" <sauke001@gold.tc.umn.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "dale saukerson (dale saukerson)" <sauke001@gold.tc.umn.edu>
subject:      re: "welcome me"...:)
x-to:         glee <b3102097@cc.ntu.edu.tw>

at 02:49 pm 10/06/95, glee wrote:

>  hello; not everybody likes posts like this, but i just subscribed to
> this list yesterday
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  snip >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>  ps. this might be a silly question, but which one is amy and which is emily?
>
>  gavin lee

welcome indeed!

how to tell them apart?

amy is the good singer. so is emily.   ;-)

p.s. amy has the dark hair. emily has the light hair. together they put on
the best concert of my life (and i'm extremely critical) while in
minneapolis.

dale saukerson


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