lifeblood: listlogs: 1995-10d


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date:         fri, 20 oct 1995 23:36:25 est
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              sue steinike <steinike@mace.cc.purdue.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         sue steinike <steinike@mace.cc.purdue.edu>
subject:      april 8 indy concert
in-reply-to:  <199510210406.xaa04096@mace.cc.purdue.edu>; from "automatic
              digest processor" at oct 21, 95 12:00 am

hi everybody!  i'm almost ashamed to say i don't have 1200 curfews yet.
i'm just a poor starving graduate student who doesn't get paid until
the end of the month and has a spiraling out of control visa bill but
will probably break down and charge the cd because i want it.  (boy, can
that sentence be any longer...)

anyway, what i'm really posting for is to ask if anyone has a tape of the
indy concert on april 8 (this year).  all i can send you is a blank to
make a copy, unless you're disney deprived - then i can copy the concert
for you (but it won't be until thanksg or xmas when i go home [to wi, for
all the other cheds out there]). please let me know if you can help.  thanks!!

sue
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date:         sat, 21 oct 1995 01:07:36 -0400
reply-to:     jude shabry <hey_jude@brown.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         jude shabry <hey_jude@brown.edu>
subject:      re: quote id (nigc)
in-reply-to:  your message of "fri, 20 oct 1995 16:54:29 cdt."
              <199510202155.aa164376129@casbah.acns.nwu.edu>

alycia <anb038@nwu.edu> writes:
> i have posted on my wall a sticker that says
>         "a woman without a man is like a fish without a bicycle."
>
> a friend came into my room and asked me where this quote was from -- i only k
> now of the u2 song, "tryin' to throw your arms around the world," and i was w
> ondering if the quote goes back farther than u2.

well, the u2 quote is actually

"a woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle"

so either the person who made your sticker decided to change the
words, or they got it from a different source, and so did u2.

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jude shabry | hey_jude@brown.edu | they called me mad, and i called them mad,
<http://www.netspace.org/~jude/> |     and damn them- they outvoted me!
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date:         fri, 20 oct 1995 12:09:46 -24000
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              "judith k. hunter" <jhunter@rtc.gov>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "judith k. hunter" <jhunter@rtc.gov>
subject:      re: i want off this list, now!

yeah, i've been doing my administrative thing for this list in the past but i
just got  tired of it...please, folks, if you can get in, you surely can
remember how to get out!
save this message now!

        <snip>

as scott said:

before you get flamed, let me tell you how to get off this list.  you don't
address mail to indigo-girl@netspace.org.

this is how you do it.

write mail to

listserv@netspace.org

in the body of the letter, put the following message

unsubscribe indigo-girls
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date:         fri, 20 oct 1995 12:19:49 -24000
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              "judith k. hunter" <jhunter@rtc.gov>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "judith k. hunter" <jhunter@rtc.gov>
subject:      re: native protest, response to neily

i think the washington redskins are belittling *in themselves* (not only in
name:(

they should make jkcooke wear a shirt that says "nobody knows it but i'm
already dead."

jude
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date:         thu, 19 oct 1995 13:01:33 -24000
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              "judith k. hunter" <jhunter@rtc.gov>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "judith k. hunter" <jhunter@rtc.gov>
subject:      re: a rose by any other name...(nigc)

>i personally prefer 'go-heads...


awhhhh! i was actually thinking about "the girlies" as in:

"i aim to please the girlies.." e.s.

*<pout>*
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date:         thu, 19 oct 1995 06:56:46 -24000
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              "judith k. hunter" <jhunter@rtc.gov>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "judith k. hunter" <jhunter@rtc.gov>
subject:      re: discography

>i have checked everywhere i can think of and i can't remember or find the
>ftp address for the 3 part ig discography. i am hoping it has been
>updated since last fall.

>can someone please help me with the correct address?


i have found a *lot* of ig info on ftp.uwp.edu  in the
pub/music/artists/i/indigo.girls/press

they also have pub/music/guitar/acoustic/i/

and look under /r/ and /s/ for ray and saliers :)

there is a discog directory in there too.

happy surfing, jude
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date:         thu, 19 oct 1995 07:02:45 -24000
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              "judith k. hunter" <jhunter@rtc.gov>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "judith k. hunter" <jhunter@rtc.gov>
subject:      re: discography

also, i think i have it on a floppy somewhere...jude
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date:         sat, 21 oct 1995 01:52:50 edt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              bertin lefkovic <indigboy@eden.rutgers.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         bertin lefkovic <indigboy@eden.rutgers.edu>
subject:      re: native protest, response to neily
x-to:         "judith k. hunter" <jhunter@rtc.gov>
in-reply-to:  your message of fri, 20 oct 1995 12:19:49 -24000

i wish that old fossil would realize it himself.  he is the nfl's version of
jesse helms.  offending native americans is only one of his many social
crimes.

and going back to the subject that i brought up earlier.  it is really
frustrating to see so many people respond to this post, talking about the
team names, when i attempted to make it clear that the names weren't the crux
of the problem.  it was the tomahawk chop and chant of atlanta braves fans
and the chief wahoo symbol of the indians.  in the case of the braves, the
team and its ownership could absolve themselves very easily by making a
statement to their fans, saying that they appreciate their support of the
team, but because of the demeaning nature of the cheer, they would prefer if
the fans could find alternative means of showing their support.  not only
have they not done that, but the owner, ted turner and his wife, jane fonda
have been seen on national television participating in this offensive
display.

this is not something that i made up myself.  i do not have enough of a
background in native american issues to say what is or is not offensive to a
native american from my own point of view.  but the fact is that several
native american organizations have complained and protested about this
situation.  thus, if we want to show our support of native americans and the
issues that affect them, we should not try to decide from our own point of
view whether something is offensive or not, but the point of view of the
people who are being affected.  and if these organizations say that they are
being affected, who are we to say that they aren't.  we can say that they are
just trying to be pc and over-sensitive, but isn't that just rationalizing
our own inability to comprehend and relate to their feelings and experiences.
i don't know what i will be doing between the first pitch of game one to the
last out of the deciding game, but i know what i won't be doing.  i hope
there are others here who won't be doing the same thing.  remember, it is
just a game after all.  there will be another world series next year.
hopefully by then, these teams will have cleaned up their acts by then, and
if not, hopefully they won't be in the world series this time next year.

don't let teddy bear and barbarella and whoever owns the indians think that
what they do is ok.  thanks for reading.


let it grow

bert
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date:         sat, 21 oct 1995 01:55:47 edt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              bertin lefkovic <indigboy@eden.rutgers.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         bertin lefkovic <indigboy@eden.rutgers.edu>
subject:      re: a rose by any other name...(nigc)
x-to:         "judith k. hunter" <jhunter@rtc.gov>
in-reply-to:  your message of thu, 19 oct 1995 13:01:33 -24000

how about "indimaniacs"

or just simply "psychopaths"

which would would describe many people here (including myself)

just kidding


let it grow

bert
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date:         sat, 21 oct 1995 02:22:54 +0600
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              jack mitchell <jamitch3@vt.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         jack mitchell <jamitch3@vt.edu>
subject:      re: a rose by any other name...(nigc)
x-to:         "judith k. hunter" <jhunter@rtc.gov>

>>i personally prefer 'go-heads...
>
>
>awhhhh! i was actually thinking about "the girlies" as in:
>
>"i aim to please the girlies.." e.s.

hey! what about all us guys????  :-)

*<pout>*

j
________________________________________________________
jack mitchell
jamitch3@vt.edu
106 west eggleston hall
virginia tech
blacksburg, va 24060-0020
phone: (540) 232-6371
http://www.sv.vt.edu/mitchell/

if i could wish for my life to be perfect, it
would be tempting but i would decline, for
life would no longer teach me anything.

                         - allyson jones
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date:         sat, 21 oct 1995 02:37:31 edt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              bertin lefkovic <indigboy@eden.rutgers.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         bertin lefkovic <indigboy@eden.rutgers.edu>
subject:      re: a rose by any other name...(nigc)
x-to:         jack mitchell <jamitch3@vt.edu>
in-reply-to:  your message of sat, 21 oct 1995 02:22:54 +0600

guys can be girlies too ya know.


let it grow

bert
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date:         sat, 21 oct 1995 01:42:43 -0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              "lori l. collins" <lcollins@jaguar1.usouthal.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "lori l. collins" <lcollins@jaguar1.usouthal.edu>
subject:      re: indigo-girls digest - 19 oct 1995 to 20 oct 1995
in-reply-to:  <199510210400.aaa09353@netspace.org>

shampine@ll.mit.edu wrote:

> how about a team called the christ-killers or the raging papists :)

not to add fuel to the fire or anything... but my softball team is
really called christ-killers... well actually jesus_killers. we thought
about the rapin_pillagin_plunderin_papists, but the name was just
to darn long to fit across our chests.

i'm struggling to think of the other names we threw out - - let me think,
murdering methodists, bluntinstrument baptists, missileheaded mormans,
and my favorite:

scary_hairy_white_men_with_butt_cracks_showing_above_their_bvds_drinking_
a_beer

as you might have guessed, it didn't fit either.

bty, in case i didn't paint the above in broad enough strokes... it's a joke.

ya'll have a really, really nice day!

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lori collins *  god bless the boys who make the noise on 16th avenue
             *                    lacy j dalton
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date:         sat, 21 oct 1995 02:11:13 -0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              rascal@vax1.bemidji.msus.edu
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         brooke ann foster <rascal@vax1.bemidji.msus.edu>
subject:      re: what is the name for ig fans?
x-to:         kcizas@cgrg.ohio-state.edu

chickenpeople? *rofl*

thats great!

i love indigo-go's, go heads, and enlightend ones would be awfully
descriptive, but i think my personal favorite is iggies... it just
sounds awfully cool.

seeya!

brooke
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date:         sat, 21 oct 1995 03:57:45 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              nlyng@postoffice.ptd.net
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "(eric l. nerino)" <nlyng@postoffice.ptd.net>
subject:      chickenman stream of consciousness

i inadvertantly zapped my text of the full explanation of chickenman as told by
amy.....if anybody has it and is feeling kind...could you e-mail it to me
privately?....thanks...

:)

....eric
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date:         sat, 21 oct 1995 10:14:30 +0100
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              mts5@aber.ac.uk
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         matthew joseph smith <mts5@aber.ac.uk>
subject:      re: appropriate sax
x-to:         pluce83394@aol.com

people keep complaining about the sax on 1200 curfews, but it's not the
first time - there was a sax on the live version of "left me a fool",
remember?  i never thought that sounded too bad, probably as good or even
better than the sf version.

was that a big turnoff back in 91 or whenever?

mat
mts5@aber.ac.uk

from paul lucente:

>i have to agree with you rich.  in fact, the girls "first" album is forever
>defined in my mind by night driving.  i used to listen to that album and that
>album only when i would drive home from college on weekends (always at night)
>when i was going to school in ct (i live in nj).
>
>although, i gotta say, having seen the girls open for the dead in oregon in
>'93 over 2 absolutely gorgeous days, there is definitely something to say
>about listening to them during the day!
>
>paul lucente
>
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date:         sat, 21 oct 1995 13:25:32 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              pluce83394@aol.com
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         paul lucente <pluce83394@aol.com>
subject:      re: appropriate sax

bert,

i definitely went in to the first eugene show a little skeptical about how
the girls would sound in a stadium, but was quickly put at ease once i got
in.  autzen stadium holds about 40,000 people and to me, has a very intimate
feel to it, even more so than the so-called "sheds" like deer creek for
example.  (another great venue, btw).  the fact that all seating is general
admission seems to add to that feeling too.

although the girls had other musicians with them, which obviously increased
the volume, they sounded great even on the songs they played on 2 acoustics
only.  in fact, they had the whole stadium (it was about 3/4 full for their
performances) up and dancing on tunes like closer to fine, which they
performed on acoustics only.

i do agree however, that they are much more suited for smaller venues, given
the personal nature of their songwriting.  but they definitely pulled it off
in oregon, and played 2 very fine shows to boot.  not to mention the dead.

as for other bands, i have to agree in general, but with the gd, i can think
of numerous examples of stadium shows that blew away smaller venue shows.  of
course, that's the nature of the dead, given the variability in their
performances.

paul
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date:         sat, 21 oct 1995 12:27:32 -0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              "dwayne d. jarrell" <djarrell@glaci.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "dwayne d. jarrell" <djarrell@glaci.com>
subject:      native americans rights (nigc)

hey enlightened ones! :-)

i don't like the fact that the list has turned into an indian rights/world
series debate, but i just had a bit of a revelation.  listen to "bury my
heart at wounded knee" once while thinking about bert's issue.  the song
tells of fbi murders and lies, and there is an innocent man in jail because
an fbi man got shot in a situation that was caused by the us government.
the 'indians' have been treated like shit for hundreds of years in this
country, and it still goes on today.  this is what native americans need ot
be fighting for.  when you think about it, the name of a damn baseball team
means so little...

just a thought, and then i am silent on the nigc.

:dwayne

dwayne jarrell (djarrell@ren.glaci.com)
"we have lingered in the chambers of the sea
by sea-girls wreathed with seaweed red and brown
till human voices wake us and we drown"
- t.s. eliot ("the love song of j. alfred prufrock")
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date:         sat, 21 oct 1995 10:07:55 +0600
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              jack mitchell <jamitch3@vt.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         jack mitchell <jamitch3@vt.edu>
subject:      re: chickenman stream of consciousness
x-to:         nlyng@postoffice.ptd.net

>i inadvertantly zapped my text of the full explanation of chickenman as told by
>amy.....if anybody has it and is feeling kind...could you e-mail it to me
>privately?....thanks...
>
>:)
>
>....eric
>


i actually has 2 of them from various times on the list when people had
asked about it.  enjoy.


jack


the following is amy ray's chickenman stream of conciousness transcribed
verbatim from my boot of the athens oh show 4-12-95. (amy's birthday) it was
so cool i thought i'd share with y'all.  warning: it's long.

        "i wrote this song when i was thinking about all these spare parts
you see lying in the middle of the road.  i've been obsessed with dying ever
since i can remember.  realizing that i was existing for a short ammount of
time.. so when i decided to make traveling my way of life i was suprised.
cause when you're moving all the time you tend to run into things... alot.
you see a lot of things that other people are running into alot, which is a
very...interisting thing to see.  so this song kind of takes place-and were
going to start from georgia take this tour, and were gonna go up the eastern
seaboard get up into canada somewhere.  and were driving this big maroon ford
van.  and were gonna go from georgia and pass through all the southern states
and end up somewhere in the middle of texas...texas is sort of a wierd place,
you know? cause it's sort of the bastion of everything i've never believed
in...yeah there's these little bits of enlightenment just hanging around for
no reason.  it's really incredible because if you open your mind up to it,
it's a really cool place. so here we are, were sitting in houston were going
to play at this place and it's um, this bar and were real small, real small.
and were playing at this bar that's about half the size of this stage maybe.
and were going to sleep that night at this guy's house it's kinda like
this..brothel, sorta.  and it's getting harder and harder as this is going
on. i'm thinking ablut all these things. i was thinking anout this woman i
saw when i was running down the street in toronto and she was beat up by a
bunch of people and she was left layin' there and i walked right by
her...walked right by...walked right by.  movin'. gotta be somewhere i gotta
get somewhere, guys. i was running, you know, i gotta time my mile.   i can't
stop.  i can't stop. so i 'm thinking about this, thinking about this.  i was
thinking about-  i was in the middle of the desert this one time and this
family of prarie dogs was crossing the road and i thought "aww shit" 'cause i
couldn't slow down cause i was goin so fast.  and i just hit every single one
of them.  i thought, "this is unbelievable!"  i mean, how could i?  the law
of probability was totally against me.  they were runnin' as fast as they
could and -just- five!! one, two three, boom!! oh god, seriuos karma trouble.
so i'm in this car and i'm thinking about all these things. and were driving
and were driving and were driving and it;s kinda like, you cover your eyes
when you see something that's lying in the road and you go "oh it's just a
bag- a dead bag okay, that's cool,
i can handle that."  and  you see something else and it's like a tire.
okay, no problem, so you open your eyes cause you figure everything is going
to be this inanimate object and it's no big deal.  and then all of a sudden
you're standing in front of this dog with it's guts hanging out and you think
"aww shit!"  and you wanna close your eyes, close your eyes.  these are the
things you think about, these are the things i think about.  and these are
the things that are obsessing, obsessing.  were counting all these things and
putting numbers on everything.

okay, so moving on, moving on.  okay, so we go to this flea market cause i'm
thinking at least theres one thing in the world that's gonna lift your
spirits when you have 10 dollars in your pockets and you go to a flea market
and buy something.  i know it's material it's very material but it's true.  i
mean you can be as spiritual as anybody in the whole world and you're still
gonna feel that way, i don't care what you say.  so we go in this flea market
and it's cool, it's cool.  and we come outta that an we go, and we see next
door and we see this big field layed out with all these tables and there's
stuff everywhere.  there's stuff all over these tables -it's like this
endless, endless tables! and i'm like, "this is amazing!  this yard sale on
the side of the highway!  i can't believe it this is so great!!" and i'm
looking through all this stuff,i'm thumbing through books, looking at the
cameras and the binoculars and the old motorcycle parts and bicycles and
hopefully the stratocasters(sp?) that are layin' in somebody's attic that i'm
gonna buy for five dollars.  and i'm thinking about all this stuff and i'm
thinking, okay, okay.  so this man walks out of this trailer and i look over
and i see him and i'm like (awed whisper) "wow!... look at this guy! he is
really cool looking!!" it just strikes me right in the heart.  he's got this
really cool long hair and it's matted and tangled and it's got bugs and dirt
and all this shit is all in his hair and he's really cool! and he's wearing
these old clothes and i'm thinking, "i am so middle class i am so middle
class i am so middle class!"  i'm looking at this guy and i'm thinking, "how
can i relate? i can't relate! i gotta relate! i gotta relate!" cause this is
someone i'm supposed to meet my whole life!  so, i'm gonna meet this guy and
i'm gonna talk to him and it's gonna be really great.  and i'm thinking, what
can i say? okay, what i'm going to say is...i'm going to buy something and
he's going to be really happy and this is really condisending, i'm thinking,
this is really arrogant, you know?  i'm gonna buy something from him and he's
gonna appreciate me so much that he's gonna want to talk to me.  how
materialistic can you get? what an asshole i am. so, i'm thinking this- i'm
gonna do it anyway, i don't care.  so i pick up this book and say, "how much
is this book?" and he says, "that's not for sale." i think, "oh, great." so i
pick up something else and i hand him that and i say, "how much is this?" and
says, "that's not for sale either." and i say,"well, what is for sale? what
can i buy?  i mean all this stuff, i mean, i really want to buy something
today, you know, burnin' a hole in my pocket." and he says, "you can't buy
anything, you're standing in my front yard." oh, great! i feel like a
complete jerk now.  i'm trespassing.  i'm rude.  i'm a white middle class
american girl.  yeah (chuckle) and i've offended this man, too.  and i'm
thinking, how can i make it up to him?  i've got these things inside my soul
that i've never told anyone and i'm gonna tell this guy.  i'm gonna make this
connection.  so, i'm thinking all these things that i'm gonna ask him and
tell him.  what do i want to say?  okay, so we're standing in the middle of
this field and were looking up into the sky-and did you ever think about
what's come before you, and what's coming after you?  and that's no big deal,
that's no big deal.  what i want to say is, i present myself as this peaceful
person all my life and what i really want to do is run down the street with a
machine gun and shoot all these assholes that are getting in my way! and when
i'm driving down the road and i see some guy with a bumper sticker and it
says something i don't believe in, what i really want to do-i mean i try to
be understanding-but what i really want to do is go faster and faster and ram
into the back of his car!!!!! and do you ever think about the animals you see
laying in the middle of the road that some jerk runs over without even
thinking about it-and their guts are hanging out! and they're howling and
they're barking and they're kicking and they're scratching, because you were
going 85 miles an hour when you should have been going 55!!!!!!!! and you
feel bad because what you want to do is slow down...slow down. and what i
want to do is i wanna go faster! i wanna go faster!  i wanna have sex in the
middle of nowhere!!! ( next line indecipherable due to crowd cheers)  i want
to be the worst person i could ever be in my whole life.  and i want to be
black. i want to be red, i want to be yellow!!!!!! but i just walk away
because it's too much. i was on the road to austin..."

> chickenman:  i don't know if this is old or new news, but amy seemed to
> do a stream of consciousness explanation for "chickenman" in rochester.
> here it is, i hope you enjoy it.

"we were playing in this really wierd club in houston, named fitzgerald's.
we were playing in the small room.  there were three people there, and they
were in the band we were opening for.  that night we got to sleep in the
owner's apartment, and there were all the owner's friends, weird, drug
addicts, things, and animals and weird stuff all happening while we were
asleep.   and this is kinda the way it always happens, isn't it micheal? (from
big fish ensamble)  and there's things that you learn when you're on the road,
like you learn things, like you know, to close your eyes when you pass a dead
possum because it's really gross.  and you learn that if you see a little cat
sitting on the median you don't go chasing it because it'll probably get hit
by a car when it's running away from you.  it's pretty depressing.  so anyway,
we're drivin', we're drivin, we're drivin', we've been through georgia,
alabama, mississippi, louisiana, we've been up to toronto, we've seen dead
animals in th road.  it's like roadkill, and fast food, and trucks, and weird
people, and lots of lessons to be learned.  and we're looking for things to
make us feel better.  we're looking at the moon and at the stars, and the
trees.  but mostly we're looking for... flea markets.  we do all our shopping.
so we drive up and we see this really cool flea market and it says
'flea market' and then next to it there's a big cardboard sign that says
'chickenman'.  and i thought: this is really too good to miss.  so there's
all these tables and possesions put out on tables, and weird shit everywhere.
and i started... goin' shopping.  and it was his front yard, and it was all
his stuff, and none of it was for sale.  he came out of the trailer, and he's
like 'what are you doing?'  i said, 'can i buy this camera from you?'  'this
is all my stuff.'  so i said, 'oh. o.k.'  the was some sort of wisdom
imparted that day, and i'm not sure what it was, but it made me feel a lot
better when i walked away."
>
________________________________________________________
jack mitchell
jamitch3@vt.edu
106 west eggleston hall
virginia tech
blacksburg, va 24060-0020
phone: (540) 232-6371
http://www.sv.vt.edu/mitchell/

if i could wish for my life to be perfect, it
would be tempting but i would decline, for
life would no longer teach me anything.

                         - allyson jones
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date:         sat, 21 oct 1995 07:06:45 -0700
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              "amy j. putnam" <pegasus@crl.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "amy j. putnam" <pegasus@crl.com>
subject:      barb marino's sax

mat brough up the presence of sax on "left me a fool" from botby.
frankly, that's the only song wherei can tolerate barb marino's sax.
i dont think she added much to the tim she toured with ig.  her
percussion was ok, but her sax lacked any subtlety at all.  i like
jerry's sax on love's recovery.  i can see how some people think it
is kenny g'ish (who i also cant stand) but i think it really works
for the song, especially since it has that understated quality to it.
just mho of course.


amy p.                          /       who holds your hand
pegasus@crl.com                /        when you're alone
                              /
the original photo monk      /                  --patty larkin
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date:         sat, 21 oct 1995 14:14:03 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              christy m diefenderfer <cmdst30+@pitt.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         christy m diefenderfer <cmdst30+@pitt.edu>
subject:      question
x-to:         pluce83394@aol.com
in-reply-to:  <951021132531_76217789@mail04.mail.aol.com>

hi everyone,
        i was looking at the website and i saw the indigo girls once
redid father and son.  does anyone have this.  if anyone knows where i
can get this i would appreciate it greatly.  thanks a lot.  have a great day!
love, christy:->
cmdst30@pitt.edu
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date:         sat, 21 oct 1995 15:43:13 gmt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              wingstar@mulberry.com
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         pat stark <wingstar@mulberry.com>
subject:      boots

this is probably a useless question but does anyone know if there is a boot
floating aroud from the ig concert in toronto july 7/95?  if by chance there
is please email me privatly, i would love to get a copy.

thanks :-)

pat
wingstar@mulberry.com

                "adding up the total of a love that's true
                   multiply life by the power of two"
                               es

                  "nobody gets a life time rehersal
                  as specks of dust we're universal"
                               es
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date:         sat, 21 oct 1995 21:00:57 +0100
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              mts5@aber.ac.uk
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         matthew joseph smith <mts5@aber.ac.uk>
subject:      jerry marotta

ok, i saw this on the ig newsgroup.   what do y'all think?

>opposite view.  if i want to hear jerry marotta ruin a bunch of indigo
>girls songs, i can sit at home and listen to _rites_of_passage_ (or 1200
>curfews, come to think of it: saxophone? yuck...), rather than go spend
>$30; that's a lot of money, and you really shouldn't be judging someone
>because they'd rather pay to see one concert than another.
>
>

i never thought marotta was that bad actually, especially on songs like
least complicated.   i think he wasn't well suited to the last bit of touch
me fall (too heavy and slow) but he adds a lot of character to some of the
rop ballads.   any views, anyone?

mat
mts5@aber.ac.uk
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date:         sat, 21 oct 1995 16:45:10 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              laura catherine beam <beamer@m-net.arbornet.org>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         laura catherine beam <beamer@m-net.arbornet.org>
subject:      ummmm...

i know from the song "love will come to you", that emily is a cancer, but what is amy?
:-)
-laura
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date:         sat, 21 oct 1995 13:39:57 -0800
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              bonster@alaska.net
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         muncho lake <bonster@alaska.net>
subject:      re: ummmm...
x-to:         laura catherine beam <beamer@m-net.arbornet.org>

amy is an aries. her b-day is april 12 (just like mine :) )
-bon

at 04:45 pm 10/21/95 -0400, you wrote:
>i know from the song "love will come to you", that emily is a cancer, but
what is amy?
>:-)
>-laura
>
>
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date:         sat, 21 oct 1995 16:54:13 ewt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              just call me norma ray <afiegle@cluster.ucs.indiana.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         just call me norma ray <afiegle@cluster.ucs.indiana.edu>
subject:      re: april 8 indy concert

april 8th indy concert....i was there....rocked my world.  if anyone out
there has a bootleg--please pass one to me too!  i'll pay postage/tape/
etc.....

thanks,
mandy
afiegle@ucs.indiana.edu
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date:         sat, 21 oct 1995 17:04:54 ewt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              just call me norma ray <afiegle@cluster.ucs.indiana.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         just call me norma ray <afiegle@cluster.ucs.indiana.edu>
subject:      re: chickenman stream of consciousness

eric,
        i have never actually heard the story of the chickenman. *gasp!*
if you get a reply...could you pass it on to me?  or if anyone would care
to post it to the list....

thanks!
mandy
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date:         sat, 21 oct 1995 16:03:49 pdt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              monique barbanson <mhb@batnet.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         monique barbanson <mhb@batnet.com>
subject:      re: quote id (nigc)

>alycia <anb038@nwu.edu> writes:
>> i have posted on my wall a sticker that says
>>         "a woman without a man is like a fish without a bicycle."
hmmm.isn't this a quote from susan b. anthony?

monique
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date:         sat, 21 oct 1995 16:03:56 pdt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              monique barbanson <mhb@batnet.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         monique barbanson <mhb@batnet.com>
subject:      re: chickenman stream of consciousness

wow! i can't believe this. it's amazing, and i love it! thanks for posting this.

can any of you old timers enlighten those of us who've never witnessed one
of those stream of consciousness events, about how they happen. is this
just a long song intro, is it worked into the song like jacob's ladder,
which shows do they happen at?

please, please,please: i need a boot of that 4-12-95 show. if you have it,
please email me privately, i have a ridiculously small number of tapes to
trade but if i have anything of interest, you're welcome to it.

i'm just dying for amy to write her autobiography,

monique
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date:         sat, 21 oct 1995 21:23:16 -0700
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              linda joanne napikoski <napikosk@chaph.usc.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         linda joanne napikoski <napikosk@chaph.usc.edu>
subject:      re: native protest, response to neily
in-reply-to:  <cmm-ru.1.5.814254770.indigboy@er7.rutgers.edu>

on sat, 21 oct 1995, bertin lefkovic wrote:

> i don't know what i will be doing between the first pitch of game one to the
> last out of the deciding game, but i know what i won't be doing.  i hope
> there are others here who won't be doing the same thing.  remember, it is
> just a game after all.  there will be another world series next year.

you know what bert? you are (were) making a really big assumption that
any/all of us would be watching the world series anyway. especially since
watershed was so recently released...you think we're all sitting around
watching baseball???!  ;)  i know if i had the time or the inclination to
sit around watching anything on television right now for a couple of
hours seven times, it would not be the world series.

now, what to call us:

i think we could combine two into chickengirlies. i was really liking
chickenpeople lots and lots and lots. it's just so ironically wonderful.
chickengirlies works even more nicely though, because it incorporates the
'girl' part too, as well as teri's favorite quote, plus it has that
deadheads type-motivation (girlies is kinda like groupies--major fans of
the girls), plus those of us who are female get an extra plus. any takers?
(if you are, there's one more life for you, ha-ha.)

and speaking of chickenman, i'm going to say this again, then i am
going to sing it: what is the car in "i went looking
for a car.." pleeeeeeeeeeease someone enlighten me with your thoughts.

linda

if you were accused of being an indigo girls fan, would there be enough
evidence to convict you?
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date:         sun, 22 oct 1995 01:28:26 -0400
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              laura catherine beam <beamer@m-net.arbornet.org>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         laura catherine beam <beamer@m-net.arbornet.org>
subject:      ummmm....(again)

if you don't know their astrological signs do you know their birthdays?
-laura(again)
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date:         sat, 21 oct 1995 21:16:18 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              cheryl4f8i@aol.com
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         cheryl4f8i@aol.com
subject:      ani
x-cc:         jaynescsu@aol.com

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shared thoughts.transferred to alternate mailbox to stay on list!

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aolmail
subj:  ani....amy,em.....melissa
to:     indigo-girls@netscape.com
i hope for ani's sake, and her fans, she is careful about how she present=
s her bisexuality (re; kurt loder mtv piece today)....mtv jumped all over=
that, and her economic independence: nothing about her astounding verbal=
virtuosity.  so, i hope someone wise, maybe a fellow celebrity (?) lets =
her know how delicate all of this is with the mtv generation that i teach=
=2e  i am sure she will try to be -- she's so smart. but education is slo=
w, and teenagers need patience and affirmation, whatever they choose.
=0d
i am just so impressed the way the ig's have neither hidden nor ignored t=
heir sexual  preference....and in doing so, made the world a more loving =
place for gays and straights, even straight people (like me) for whom th=
e 90's have been an education not merely in intellectual tolerance, but e=
motional acceptance of other people's lives.  kermit said, "it's not easy=
being green." well, it isn't easy being anything. some straight people s=
truggle through years of bad training before they accept that gay romanti=
c love is as full as it seems to be. america is rough on anyone changing =
attitudes: one almost needs a countersign, wherever one travels. be caref=
ul not to offend -- especially in rooms where everyone claims that everyo=
ne is accepted.
=0d
anyone who thinks this is as easy as platitudes about acceptance either i=
s gifted with a profoundly open soul (and thus should understand my strug=
gling one) or hasn't lived through the conflicts in ones heart that real =
life can bring. it isn't easy: it is one of the issues of our time.
=0d
in the end, with work, all kinds of acceptance can come. but not until we=
all put in all the work. there are "straight but not narrow"s ( button a=
t an ani concert), and some aloof but accepting types, and so on. i'm sur=
e there are equally differing levels of acceptance in the gay/lesbian com=
munity for straight people and attitudes.
=0d
melissa seemed to choreograph her "coming out" ---timed perfectly, for th=
e times, her fans, her popularity. she knows she is a spokesperson -- but=
puts the music first, and tells others to follow their own path. i luste=
d after melissa for three albums....and now love her like a sister. i am =
proud to have bought the first works of melissa and the ig's. they are wi=
se and good people, and are lucky to share that, as a re we to recieve it=
=2e
=0d
today, ani difranco went truly national. i wish her my love and best wish=
es. there is a generation behind us to help educate: let's give them all =
the options, without suggesting too strongly which is the right path. =

=0d
ani has thousands of fans. i have 120 students. what can each of us do to=
bring the messages of humanity and love to all of them?
=0d
if i could, i'd bring them to an ig concert first....but then teach them =
shakespeare, and the "cross dressed, who are we now, who do we love?" com=
edies (as you like, twelfth night).
=0d
i'd try, for the first year in my career, to pay more attention to the lo=
nely ones, and to be a person to them, not a male teacher.
=0d
i'd make sure they listened to all the voices out there, if i could.
i'd give them ani's 800 number.
=0d
sorry i am off the list. new to aol, i got swamped. i'll be back on soon,=
but if you have a personal response, i'm at joeearls@aol.com=

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date:         sat, 21 oct 1995 20:44:52 -0700
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              linda joanne napikoski <napikosk@chaph.usc.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         linda joanne napikoski <napikosk@chaph.usc.edu>
subject:      re: the collective unconscious (nigc!!!!!)
in-reply-to:  <9510201536.aa21635@ll.mit.edu>

on fri, 20 oct 1995 shampine@ll.mit.edu wrote:

> >meanwhile i have two questions about this crazy debate.
>
> why is it a "crazy" debate?

hmmmmmm..mostly because of sheer length of the damn posts, i think, let
alone number. but, also because soooo many people are responding to it,
some taking it incredibly seriously, others cracking me up (jo!! :) ),
others maybe both..i meant it as a good kind of crazy.

>
> people usually feel some need to have their rights protected when these
> rights have historically been attacked.  when people identify with a
> subculture which has been systematically undermined, they may feel a wee
> bit more sensitive to seeing it exploited by the dominant culture which

good point. thank you for answering my question. :)
however, the vikings and irish (for example) have also been misrepresented a
lot and kind of skipped over in history. not that it's the same
thing as what has been done to native american culture, but
do you see what i mean? where does one draw the line?

besides, no one is more systematically undermined--and exploited--than
animals. every point for any group of people is like, twice as true for
most non-human animals. soon, we won't be able to call teams anything. i
imagine names like the orlando magic and the phoenix suns would still be
ok.  unless someone was offended by the implications of supernatural powers.


> how about a team called the christ-killers or the raging papists :)
>
sign me up!  :p

(just kidding, my goodness...)

linda napikoski
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date:         sun, 22 oct 1995 11:56:33 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              deborah gordon <dgord02@emory.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         deborah gordon <dgord02@emory.edu>
subject:      re: april 8 indy concert
x-to:         just call me norma ray <afiegle@cluster.ucs.indiana.edu>
in-reply-to:  <199510212153.qaa09451@roatan.ucs.indiana.edu>

to everyone concerned:
i do not know emily!!!!! my friends and i have a long standing joke.i
wish that i did know her,but for now i'll just have to enjoy her music
rather than her company.so please stop writing to me asking to give her a
message.i'm sorry for the mix-up.

deb
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date:         sun, 22 oct 1995 14:53:58 est
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              rsimpson <rsimpson@iusmail.ius.indiana.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         rsimpson <rsimpson@iusmail.ius.indiana.edu>
subject:      re: question

          i have a question for all of you.  does anyone happen to
          have a playlist from the april '95 show in louisville?  i
          ask this for two reasons.  one, because i went to this
          concert as a favor to someone, having never really listened
          to the girls before, and emerged a chickenperson or
          enlightened one, or whichever you prefer.  two, because i am
          in an argument with someone about when in the set they
          played galileo.

          rich
          rsimpson@iusmail.ius.indiana.edu

          ps i would love a bootleg if anyone has one, but i will
          settle for a playlist.
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date:         sun, 22 oct 1995 13:31:03 -0700
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              "michelle d. richards" <mdrichar@uci.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "michelle d. richards" <mdrichar@uci.edu>
subject:      re: a rose by any other name...(nigc)

>it's gotta be girlies!  if for no other reason than we want to be one of
the ones that she's pleasing...satisfied sigh.

michelle


>i personally prefer 'go-heads...
>
>
>awhhhh! i was actually thinking about "the girlies" as in:
>
>"i aim to please the girlies.." e.s.
>
> *<pout>*
>
>
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date:         sun, 22 oct 1995 16:37:31 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              shelby <slt115@psu.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         shelby <slt115@psu.edu>
subject:      re: what is the name for ig fans?
x-to:         rascal@vax1.bemidji.msus.edu

i kind of like "fortunate ones."    shelby
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date:         sun, 22 oct 1995 16:33:29 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              deb <indigo@clark.net>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         deb <indigo@clark.net>
subject:      re: nigc: shawn colvin

"teresa c. esguerra" <sac83826@saclink1.csus.edu> wrote:

>on wed, 18 oct 1995, kimberly nalder wrote:
>
>> i didn't happen to catch it tonight, but i have noticed a lot of
>> shawn colvin in the background on that show.  she's another one of those
>> greatly underappreciated musicians.  hope that helps.
>
>        very well said.  shawn colvin is probably one of the most
>underrated singer/songwriters out there and it's great to know that
>others  (particularly in the sac valley) feel similar.

yes indeed... don't miss her new live cd! also, if you like shawn, check
out shannon worrell... there's a link to her page on my music page, and
there are soundbites and info on where to buy.

--
deb \ indigo@clark.net \ 10-22 16:33 est \ http://www.clark.net/pub/indigo
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date:         sun, 22 oct 1995 16:39:28 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              deb <indigo@clark.net>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         deb <indigo@clark.net>
subject:      re: list t-shirts????

keller jennifer l <jlk299s@nic.smsu.edu> wrote:

>hello out there!  i was wondering if any of ya'll ordered list shirts
>from jon miner last month (or whenever).  if so, has anyone actually
>received their order?!?  i am anxiously awaiting mine and need some
>reassurance that it will (someday) arrive.  thanks!

i just wrote him today to ask about mine... i'm getting a little nervous
myself, since he said they'd be ready by the 12th, and he'd mail them the
next day.

--
deb \ indigo@clark.net \ 10-22 16:39 est \ http://www.clark.net/pub/indigo
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date:         sun, 22 oct 1995 15:47:11 -0700
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              linda joanne napikoski <napikosk@chaph.usc.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         linda joanne napikoski <napikosk@chaph.usc.edu>
subject:      chickenpeople & mel's homophobia(?)
in-reply-to:  <pine.sun.3.91.951020123651.1974a-100000@acca>

on fri, 20 oct 1995, b4 t w- cd g++ k+ s++ r wrote:

> i had some friends belittling me because i went to see the mel gibson
> film _braveheart._  now, i'm gay, and mel is known for his anti-gay
> statements, etc.  there were various and sundry gay groups putting out

he is? i thought the whole braveheart thing was about some king throwing
a gay dude out a window (i haven't seen it) but then everyone said, "oh,
don't worry, the king is evil to everyone in the movie, not just gays."
so, what are these anti-gay statements mel has said?

chickenheads??? hmm...it's a little more abstract than indigo-heads or
some such thing--i like that--but i fear it may stray a little too far
from recognizable indigo girl-ness.
maybe we should just use chickenpeople, chickengirlies and chickenmen,
and chickenheads interchangeably.

i like fortunate ones a lot too, btw. maybe that could be interchanged as
well, like a title. you know how some situations in life call for
informality and others for a dignified form of address...?

man, this is a fun debate.


linda napikoski

p.s. last night i dreamed about the tomahawk chop and that chief wahoo
guy. scary since i have never seen either of these things.

(but i'm glad the braves are winning!! :) bert, are we supposed to
boycott the news telling us about the results of the games too? ;) )
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date:         sun, 22 oct 1995 18:11:07 gmt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              wingstar@mulberry.com
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         pat stark <wingstar@mulberry.com>
subject:      re: april 8 indy concert

>to everyone concerned:
>i do not know emily!!!!! my friends and i have a long standing joke.i
>wish that i did know her,but for now i'll just have to enjoy her music
>rather than her company.so please stop writing to me asking to give her a
>message.i'm sorry for the mix-up.
>
>deb
>
i had a feeling you would be setting yourself up for a full mail box! :)

pat

                "adding up the total of a love that's true
                   multiply life by the power of two"
                               es

                  "nobody gets a life time rehersal
                  as specks of dust we're universal"
                               es
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date:         sun, 22 oct 1995 19:49:42 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              margaret clayton <maclayto@mhc.mtholyoke.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         margaret clayton <maclayto@mhc.mtholyoke.edu>
subject:      cover tape, last official announcement

cancers:  read closely.


       well, believe it or not, the cover tape is finally ready!!

what:  cover me grey (title by greg flamer, rock on) is a compilation of
songs that ig have covered and not recorded (with one exception).  it was
put together for pleasure, not profit.  i will be posting this exact
message periodically over the next few weeks.  it has a wicked cool
insert (grey paper--get it?) with artwork designed by ig fans as well as
the lyrics to all the songs included on the tape.  the songs are:

side a
american tune (autzen stadium, eugene, or, 8/22/93)
love of the common people (reverse-1)
cortez the killer (the palace, new haven, ct, 4/24/95, with michelle malone)
summertime (athens music festival, athens, ga, 9/25/88, with michael stipe)
bury my heart at wounded knee (radio 1, england, 6/23/95, no band)
bartender's blues (central park, ny, ny, 9/20/92, with sara lee)
water is wide (club r&r)
wild horses (the palace, new haven, ct, 4/24/95, with michelle malone)
thin line (the backyard (soundcheck), austin, tx, 9/1/94)
melissa (shades)

side b
wild, wild party at the loquat tree (put on your green shoes)
southern man (radio city music hall, ny, ny, 6/28/94, with cooper tisdale
        and kristen hall)
house at pooh corner (shades)
daddy's all gone (shades)
river (toad's place, new haven, ct, 12/9/90)
hairshirt (athens music festival, athens, ga, 9/25/88)
the weakness in me (live at san francisco epic promo--awesome)
down by the river (live at san francisco promo--awesome)
mona lisas and mad hatters (reverse-1)
midnight train to georgia (the palace, new haven, ct, 4/24/95, with gail
        andorsey and jimmy descant)
finlandia (the pier, seattle, wa, 8/17/94, with caroline aiken)


some of the songs on this tape are versions that are to die for.  some
are not.  :)  i did the best i could, listening to sometimes 8 different
versions of a song trying to decide which one to use.  i am pleased to
say that there is only one song that, to me, is not extremely good
quality.  this is a bootleg project, though, so don't complain about the
quality of the tape unless you feel that this disclaimer is misleading.  :)


how to get one:  to get a copy of cover me grey, send $5 and a sase to
the appropriate branch of the tape tree (to be discussed below).  the $5
is to cover the cost of the blank tape (maxell xl ii high bias) and the
cost of the *insert* that goes in it.  the sase (a self-addressed, stamped
envelope) is to make the branches' lives easier.  the tape will be sent to
you in the sase that you send your branch, so you probably want to either
send a padded envelope or include packing materials (like newspaper).

if you live outside the united states:  send me private email and we will
work out a trade.  you will not be using the branches from the tape tree,
you will get your tape directly from me.

all profits, if any, will be donated to an organization which works to
reclaim and protect the rights of native americans.

ok..  the tape tree is being done by sign.  :)  so, scroll down until you
find your sign and then contact your branch to get his or her real life
address so that you can send him or her your $5 and sase.  i matched the
signs of the branches with who they're dubbing for, so you're virtually
guaranteed not to hate your branch.  (they're also all really cool dudes!)

if you are an aquarius (1/20-2/18), contact:
jude hunter
jhunter@rtc.gov

if you are a gemini (5/21-6/20), contact:
greg kemp
gkemp@ces.clemson.edu

if you are a sagittarius (11/22-12/21), contact:
joan ferguson
joan_ferguson@harvard.edu

if you are a taurus (4/20-5/20), contact:
pamela shaw
sparkle@primenet.com

if you are a leo (7/23-8/22), contact:
brian colwell
brian@pas.rochester.edu

if you are a libra (9/23-10/22), contact:
mike bunch
mrbcom@earthlink.net

if you are a virgo (8/23-9/22), contact:
martine o'keeffe
okeeffe@lclark.edu

if you are an aries (3/21-4/19), contact:
alan fleming
daflemi@lookout.ecte.uswc.uswest.com

if you are a pisces (2/19-3/20), contact:
deanna newcomb
deanna@dcez.com

if you are a scorpio (10/23-11/21) or a cancer (6/21-7/22), contact:
margaret clayton
maclayto@mhc.mtholyoke.edu

if you are a capricorn (12/22-1/19), contact:
carol jones
jone3176@saintmarys.edu

also, when contacting your branch, make absolutely sure that the subject
line of your message contains the words cover tape (so that the branch
reads it promptly).  i sent this message to the tape tre branches and
cc'ed it to the list, so you should be able to reply directly to your
branch.  please delete all of the other addresses, as most of us don't
want to know that you want a copy of the cover tape (nothing personal).
please do not send requests for the cover tape to the list.  if you forget
who your branch is please wait and i will repost this message in a couple
of days.

well, i think that's it.  if there's anything that i forgot or if you
have any questions, please feel free to send me private email and i will
get back to you.  if i forgot something that warrants another posting to
the list i will do so.  thanks!!!!!

margaret
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date:         sun, 22 oct 1995 18:51:21 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              scott zotigh <zotigh@usa.pipeline.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         scott zotigh <zotigh@usa.pipeline.com>
subject:      a native point of view. (nigc)

t'aw-tso, everyone!! :)

i have been a bit behind reading the list, and i was amused by the thread
about the sport team names which are related to nas. some of you have
posted rather nice, empathetic letters in support of a cause to defend our
sensibilities by what is perceived to be an affront to native americans. i
thank those of you who feel this way. this is an issue which has surfaced
from time to time in various na organizations, and although some of these
organizations have taken offense to the use of na symbols and references
used by sports teams, i can assure you quite easily that most of us see
these things in a rather less severe posture. you see...it is the intent
that matters when one thinks of why these teams use these symbols and
references. do they intentionally mean to offend or belittle native
americans? no. they don't. it really is a form of praise. i mean, would
they take more pride in calling themselves a derogatory name...maybe the
'atlanta cowards' rather than the 'atlanta braves'?  (go braves!!)
no...they use the names to represent a positive image for their teams.
take, for example the way the us military has named a whole series of
attack helicopters; comanche, apache, kiowa, etc. i am a kiowa warrior, and
i take a great deal of pride in the fact that our government has named such
a formidable piece of equipment in honour of our tribe.

besides, there are so many other real issues and concerns facing native
americans today. the loss of our languages and culture. the need for
quality education and scholarships. the protection of what little land some
tribes have left. the daily battle in courts over terms of treaties
hundreds of years old which were never honoured. the simple day to day
existence. of providing food and clothing. these are the issues which are
important to native americans today.

"vikings", "dodgers", "white sox", "chargers", "mustangs", "cowboys",
"oilers", etc. are any of these, or all the others meant to be derogatory?
should the cowboys throughout the us boycott a football game because dallas
takes pride in the use of their name?

you are good people, and you mean well. thank you. i just want to assure
you, from a native point of view, that the symbols and references do not
offend the vast majority of native people.


p'oy-ohm-toh-yah!! (travel in health!)

scott zotigh (zotigh on irc)
zotigh@usa.pipeline.com
zotigh@aol.com
kiowa black leggings warrior society
kiowa gourd clan
kiowa tiah-piah society
american indian veterans society, (staff).
'|:")
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date:         sun, 22 oct 1995 17:40:13 -0700
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              linda joanne napikoski <napikosk@chaph.usc.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         linda joanne napikoski <napikosk@chaph.usc.edu>
subject:      computers & cds & nobody loves us
in-reply-to:  <pine.osf.3.91.951019173508.5179b-100000@amy20.stanford.edu>

on thu, 19 oct 1995, jennifer kim lerner wrote:

>
> one question- are you sure emily says "who loves us? nobody!"?  i kind of
> thought it sounded like amy doing a falsetto, but what do i know?  what do
> y'all think?

i definitely think it's emily. it totally has that emily sound. i was
shocked to hear anyone thinking it's amy. of course, i will now have to
listen to it a million times to figure it out.

question:
what exactly does that groovy cd-rom screensaver whatever thing do?
please understand that i am way computer-clueless. i don't own a
computer, but these computers here at usc's labs have a place for me to
put a cd. (i don't evenknow what to call it! cd-rom drive? does it have a
name? or what?) anyway, some of them also have a little headphones thing.
so, if i actually go out and buy that cd thing, can i just randomly use
it? what does it do? any help is much appreciated. :)

linda, strong enough for a man but ph-balanced for a woman

if you were accused of being an indigo girls fan would there be enough
evidence to convict you?
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date:         sun, 22 oct 1995 23:23:26 edt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              "jennifer l. holt" <jh9882a@american.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "jennifer l. holt" <jh9882a@american.edu>
organization: the american university
subject:      re: chickenpeople & mel's homophobia(?)
x-to:         linda joanne napikoski <napikosk@chaph.usc.edu>
in-reply-to:  message of sun, 22 oct 1995 15:47:11 -0700 from
              <napikosk@chaph.usc.edu>

i just saw "braveheart" last night, and noticed nothing related to gays at all.
i was horrified that philip was thrown out the window, but only because it was
a sickening sight.  and the king -was- extraordinarily evil to everybody.
jen
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date:         sun, 22 oct 1995 23:19:47 -0700
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              angie <shehulk@leland.stanford.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         angie <shehulk@leland.stanford.edu>
subject:      re: chickenpeople
x-to:         "jennifer l. holt" <jh9882a@american.edu>
in-reply-to:  <199510230327.xaa06500@netspace.org>

        "chickenpeople" is great;  has that exclusive feel to it (since
most people won't know what the hell it means.  but personally, i'm
partial to "indigo girlies."  too stupid?

angie
shehulk@leland.stanford.edu
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date:         mon, 23 oct 1995 09:29:38 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              joan ferguson <joan_ferguson@harvard.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         joan ferguson <joan_ferguson@harvard.edu>
subject:      my lack of brains ...
x-to:         "amy j. putnam" <pegasus@crl.com>

aaaack!  amy, please forgive me for not calling this weekend!  i was out
late fri. night (the symphony and the stupid green line), and left around
8:30 sat. morning - in a daze and forgetting that i was supposed to call
you.  i remembered *this* morning!! *duh*  oh, well, there's nothing i can
do at this point except hang my head in shame ... :-)   if there was
something you wanted me to pick up, and it isn't necessary any time in the
very near future, i will be out there again in november ... hey, do you want
to come along?  see northampton?  that would be fun!

at any rate, i do finally have the cover tape (drove through that terrible
weather on the way home, but it was worth it!) and i'll make you a copy.
its really good - there's an amazing version of wild horses w/ amy and
michelle malone - have you heard this? it's great!  is maxell ok, or do you
like another kind of tape?  let me know, and we can try to get together
sometime soon (this weekend is totally out, but the weekdays look ok so far)

talk to you soon!  joan

                      joan_ferguson@harvard.edu
            harvard university library preservation office
"instead of loving your enemies,treat your friends a little better."
                      -edgar watson howe (1853-1937)
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date:         mon, 23 oct 1995 09:33:43 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              joan ferguson <joan_ferguson@harvard.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         joan ferguson <joan_ferguson@harvard.edu>
subject:      that last message - and sag cover tape people

whoops ... sorry, folks - that's what i get for sending out messages before
i've had caffeine on monday morning ...

while i'm here, though ... i finally have my copy of the cover tape (thanks
margaret!)  any saggitarius people (would that be saggitarii? or
saggitarius's?!) who haven't sent in their tapes can send them to me anytime
they want to now.  write to me for my address if you haven't done so yet.

and, maragret, who *is* that "indigo virgin" at the end of the tape?! :-)

joan

                      joan_ferguson@harvard.edu
            harvard university library preservation office
"instead of loving your enemies,treat your friends a little better."
                      -edgar watson howe (1853-1937)
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date:         mon, 23 oct 1995 08:46:24 -0700
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              jennifer nannini <jlnannin@uci.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         jennifer nannini <jlnannin@uci.edu>
subject:      party of five music id

on thu, 19 oct 1995, jones wrote:

> did anyone happen to see party of five tonight?  there was a song they
> were playing on there during the last 5 minutes of the show and i was
> wondering if anyone knew who it was singing and what the song is called.
> anyway, let me know via personal e-mail if you know what it is.  thanks.


hi--
you've probably already gotten a number of replys about this--but here goes---
the song that you heard on party of five was a cover of talking heads "naive
melody" by shawn colvin.  i think it's a great cover version and its on her
recent "cover girl" release.  it also has a cover of tom waits "looking for
the heart of saturday night"....if you like what little you heard on p of f,
you'll probably really like that album...that's all for now...
jenn (:0
        "if the world is night, shine my life like a light"
                            \|||/
                          --> * <--
                            /|||\

                      uppity womyn unite
                            :)jenn:)
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date:         mon, 23 oct 1995 11:00:32 est
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              kapage <kapage@iusmail.ius.indiana.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         kapage <kapage@iusmail.ius.indiana.edu>
subject:      re[2]: what is the name for ig fans?

          indigo heads?  is that in reference to parret heads? (jimmy
          buffett)  i'm not sure we should use something so close to
          another group.  any more ideas?
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date:         mon, 23 oct 1995 11:02:49 est
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              kapage <kapage@iusmail.ius.indiana.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         kapage <kapage@iusmail.ius.indiana.edu>
subject:      re: appropriate sax

          appropriate sax reply:
                      i agree.  a little bit of something different is
          always good!  i liked it too. hi rich!  kimberly
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date:         mon, 23 oct 1995 10:44:08 -0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              "kevin l. stamber" <stamber@ecn.purdue.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "kevin l. stamber" <stamber@ecn.purdue.edu>
subject:      re: appropriate sax
in-reply-to:  <199510200411.xaa10875@harbor.ecn.purdue.edu> from "automatic
              digest processor" at oct 20, 95 00:00:00 am

just my $0.02:

the sax is _different_ from the album sound,
different from the pure duo sound, but equally
interesting.  love's recovery has always stricken
me as a very sad song, much like play it again, sam.
a good tenor sax will never do damage to a sad song
(just ask springsteen about clemons).

it's a little different sound.  if you don't like
it, slap a dub of another concert into the tape player
and do your own live show.  personally, this is the
way i first heard it live (at indy, in april -- again,
if anyone has this show on tape, please let me know!),
and as such holds special significance to me.

i'm one who thought i'd never enjoy ghost without
the orchestration of rop.  my mistake.  live & learn.

anyway, i've a paper due in a few hours.  peace, y'all.


-----------------------+------------------------------------------------------
kevin l. stamber       |
industrial engineering |   "you have to laugh at yourself,
purdue university      |    because you'd cry your eyes out if you didn't."
stamber@ecn.purdue.edu |                               -- emily saliers
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date:         mon, 23 oct 1995 13:20:02 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              nancy humphries <nancy@rbdc.rbdc.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         nancy humphries <nancy@rbdc.rbdc.com>
subject:      igs on disney 10/27 - reminder

just a reminder: the "indigo girls in london" disney special will
be shown again this friday, october 27 at 10:35 pm.

nancy


p.s. i have two vcrs with cable hook-ups - if anyone would like me
to make a copy of the special for them, email me privately and we'll
work out the details. (i haven't mastered the art of vcr-to-vcr copying
yet, so i will not have mass quantities - but after the special finishes
it's run in november, i will have (or could have) six copies.)
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date:         mon, 23 oct 1995 14:49:15 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              kmitchel@cs.utk.edu
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "kevin j. mitchell" <kmitchel@cs.utk.edu>
subject:      complicated girls

  can anyone tell me what "complicated girls" is?  i think it is a bootleg
i was just wondering: what songs are on it, where they were taped from,
and (in your opinion) is it good/worth getting?

also if you have an opinion on whether "days of wine and roses" is a good
bootleg you can drop that in with the reply also.

                                        thanks
                                         kevin mitchell

e-mail me privately: kmitchel@cs.utk.edu
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date:         mon, 23 oct 1995 11:51:57 -0700
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              jennifer kim lerner <jlerner@leland.stanford.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         jennifer kim lerner <jlerner@leland.stanford.edu>
subject:      girlies!

yeah, i know this thread is getting old but i had to add my two cents-

indigo girls fans should be called girlies!!!!!

it's exclusive enough that people won't immediately know that girlies
refers to the indigo girls, but it makes perfect sense when you tell
them.  plus the added bonus of knowing that emily is aiming to please
you!!! what more could one ask for? :)

-jenn

************************************************************************

"but when i tried to make it more, well it was always less.  and there's
a thin line between pleasing yourself and pleasing somebody else." -g.m.

a+e=ig
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date:         mon, 23 oct 1995 19:15:13 +0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              sharon jennings <rcxsj@unix.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         sharon jennings <rcxsj@unix.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk>
subject:      re: watershed dilemma
x-to:         rebecca gaukroger <gaukroge@cso.uiuc.edu>

>        right, i'm faced with aserious dilemma; all that everyone's been
>saying about watershed is making me want to rush out and buy it.  but,
>because i'll be off home to britain where you can't play u.s. video
>tapes, i won't be able to watch it much.  so here it is, could you
>persuade me that it'll be worth getting even if i can't watch it much
>(won't take much persuading), even though i'll have to look at the box
>for years to come, frustrated that i can't actually watch its contents.
>or, does any kind soul know of a way of transforming stuff from a u.s.
>tape format to a u.k. one?
>
>        thanks y'all,
>
>                rebecca.

it can't be done by hooking up two videos (even if you have a video that
will play the tape it doesn't work)... already tried that one. the two
systems run on a different number of line so you need a thingy between the
two videos to convert the signal. you could try a professional company but
they might not do it because of copyright. and be prepared to pay about 25
pounds. i know it's a bummer not being able to watch it here. all i can say
is... usa here i come!!!!

sharon

sharon. a. jennings
cancer research campaign laboratories
univesity of nottingham
university park
nottingham
ng7  2rd                   (0115) 9513408
england                (0115) 9513414  (fax)
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date:         mon, 23 oct 1995 18:00:50 edt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              lorinda wright <lw01@lehigh.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         lorinda wright <lw01@lehigh.edu>
subject:      names, id's and chicken-things

so many threads, so little time...

on the debate going on about whether it's a or e saying "who love's us,
nobody" before thin line: actually, i'm 99.9999999999999% positive it's emily.
here's why. first of all, it sounds like her! :) second of all, if you listen
closely you can hear amy laugh at what emily's saying either during the line,
or _immediately_ after. now, there's no mistaking that laugh, and the timing
is such that it couldn't really be the same person doing the laughing and the
talking. (gee, do i have too much free time on my hands or what?)
actually, this brings up another subject. anyone ever notice that when amy is
singing on the higher end of her register, and when emily is singing at the
lower end of her register, that their voices are _very_ similar? (hence the
confusion above.) i've thought about this and i've decided that's why they
sound so perfect together. they're continuations of almost the same voice.

as far as the name debate goes, all i can do is laugh. you guys are all
amazing. iggies, go-heads, chickenpeople, enlightened ones (like this one!) or
maybe we _should_ all call ourselves yen. (hi again yen :) let's face it. we
will never agree on one. but we sure are having fun coming up with suggestions!
(oops, i forgot girlies. like that one too!)

and there were a couple of chickenman questions that i feel the need to
answer. someone asked how amy does the stream of consciousness, and i think it
was matt who answered, but i just have to elaborate because his answer just
didn't capture the mood! when amy does the s.o.c. she goes most of the way
through the song just like usual. the last line before the instrumental solo
is her "hold my hand, chikenmaaaaaaaaan" and she has taken to _screaming_
after that line. then we go into a really wild instrumental section that
eventually dies down to almost total silence except for amy's sparsely played
guitar. emily sits down. amy approaches the mic, and begins to talk. she just
talks. at times she stops playing long enough to gesture with her hands.
sometimes she plays so quietly you don't even realize she's doing it, and
other times she plays violently to stress what's she's saying. her speech ebbs
and flows with what she's saying. some of it's fairly light hearted, but most
of it is powerfully emotional, at times screamed into the mic while standing
on one leg. (the "amy-pose"). the whole experience is downright spiritual. i
found myself just standing there and swaying back and forth to the rhythm of
her speech. nodding my head at times. wanting to shout out yes! yes! but not
doing so for fear of interrupting her. in the end it's like she's just poured
out her soul to you, and she's exhausted, and she quietly goes into "i was on
the road to austin" and you're just left standing there feeling drained
because you've just been given some of the deepest darkest aspects of amy's
soul.
sorry to bore all those of you who already knew this, but someone did ask, and
i just wanted to set the appropriate mood for the soc. if any of you out there
who have never experience this are now saying to yourself "wow! i gotta hear
this!" believe me, you're right. you _gotta_ hear it.

there was also the question, what does "i went looking for a car" mean? well,
i really don't know, but i wonder if we can gain some insight by watching ws.
there's a scene during a soundcheck where amy is playing around with
chickenman. she was still writing it and she says a lot of lines that aren't
in the final version...about being in field, and trees and other stuff. i
kinda think it's all just different aspects of her life. it's a stream of
consciousness song, so i'm not sure how carefully you can pick it apart to
analyze it.

sorry this is so long!
folkisgruven,
lorindigo
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date:         mon, 23 oct 1995 23:58:08 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              laura catherine beam <beamer@m-net.arbornet.org>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         laura catherine beam <beamer@m-net.arbornet.org>
subject:      re: that last message - and sag cover tape people
x-to:         joan_ferguson@harvard.edu
x-cc:         d15@m-net.arbornet.org

why are you collecting tapes?

laura.
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date:         mon, 23 oct 1995 16:14:09 -0800
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              carla williams <cjwilliams@getty.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         carla williams <cjwilliams@getty.edu>
subject:      what we are

it's happened again -- no messages all day!!!
so i'm weighing in with my vote for "girlies,"
and bert is right -- it works for everyone, and
after all, if it's emily's aim and all...
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date:         tue, 24 oct 1995 00:36:44 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              betsy macmillan <macmilla@winnie.fit.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         betsy macmillan <macmilla@winnie.fit.edu>
subject:      re: girlies!
x-to:         jennifer kim lerner <jlerner@leland.stanford.edu>
in-reply-to:  <pine.osf.3.91.951023114721.26288e-100000@amy18.stanford.edu>

> yeah, i know this thread is getting old but i had to add my two cents-
>
> indigo girls fans should be called girlies!!!!!
>
> it's exclusive enough that people won't immediately know that girlies
> refers to the indigo girls, but it makes perfect sense when you tell
> them.  plus the added bonus of knowing that emily is aiming to please
> you!!! what more could one ask for? :)


well, i have to agree with jen here.  i have heard a lot of good ideas,
but girlies seems to fit the best.  i understand how the guys might feel
about being called "girlies", but i really feel that it is a salute to
the indigo 'girlies'.  perhaps "girlie heads" would suit everyone.
just a suggestion :)

     ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
       betsy                     "if the world is night
                                  shine my life   \|/
       macmilla@fit.edu           like a light"  -> <-
                                - emily saliers   /|\
     ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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date:         mon, 23 oct 1995 16:45:41 -0700
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              tricia <n9243170@fozzie.cc.wwu.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         tricia <n9243170@fozzie.cc.wwu.edu>
subject:      eugene
x-to:         pluce83394@aol.com
in-reply-to:  <951021132531_76217789@mail04.mail.aol.com>

> i definitely went in to the first eugene show a little skeptical about how
> the girls would sound in a stadium, but was quickly put at ease once i got
> in.  autzen stadium holds about 40,000 people and to me, has a very intimate

        the day after the shows, i picked up a local paper.  it had said
that the stadium does hold 40,00, but the actual count in the stadium was
over 43,000. outside the stadium there were some 11,000 people. it was so
damned packed in there that it took jj and me about 15 minutes just to
get from the center of the stadium to the bottom of the stairs around the
edge.  i'm thninkin that the ticket sellers did not account for the 1000
or so seats behind the stage that no one sat in.  it was way packed, but
a fabulous show reguardless.

        t
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date:         mon, 23 oct 1995 20:23:04 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              pamela beavers <pbeavers@medmail.mcg.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         pamela beavers <pbeavers@medmail.mcg.edu>
subject:      kristen hall atlanta concert

hi everyone! i'm fairly new to the list, so be kind! i'm a huge ig fan,
obviously, and about 3 yrs. ago i saw kristen hall for the first time
while i was an undergrad at the university of georgia. her music is
wonderful. i've seen her at earth jam (did any of y'all go to that too at
stone mountain- great all-day musical extravaganza) and at an aids
hospice benefit in atlanta. anyway, not to ramble, but she's coming to
eddie's attic this sat. the 28th. i'm 21 but i have a friend who's 19 and
is dying to go. i really couldn't go without her, so i'm wondering if
anyone out there knows for sure if eddie's is 21+ only (i'm pretty sure
it is) or if there is someone i can contact to get her in. i truly am a
peon and have no connections. if anyone out there can help two desperate
fans i would truly, and deeply appreciate it.

following my compass,
pam
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date:         tue, 24 oct 1995 00:47:26 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              betsy macmillan <macmilla@winnie.fit.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         betsy macmillan <macmilla@winnie.fit.edu>
subject:      re: watershed dilemma
x-to:         sharon jennings <rcxsj@unix.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk>
in-reply-to:  <v01510103acb1528cbe60@[128.243.118.245]>

on mon, 23 oct 1995, sharon jennings wrote:

for  rebecca, and other uk'ers.

> it can't be done by hooking up two videos (even if you have a video that
> will play the tape it doesn't work)... already tried that one. the two
> systems run on a different number of line so you need a thingy between the
> two videos to convert the signal. you could try a professional company but
> they might not do it because of copyright. and be prepared to pay about 25
> pounds. i know it's a bummer not being able to watch it here. all i can say
> is... usa here i come!!!!
>
> sharon

this is totally a bummer.  my sympathies.  did you ever consider actually
buying a vhs player? (not a vhs recorer or vcr).  they are less expensive
than the vcr's, and all you would need is an ac adapter.  it sounds like if
you had 4 or 5 american videos that you wanted converted, the player
would have already payed for itself!  and just think about all the other
wonderfull u.s. videos you could enjoy! (just a little plug of
patriotism  :)   anyway, it's a valid consideration, no?


     ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
       betsy                     "if the world is night
                                  shine my life   \|/
       macmilla@fit.edu           like a light"  -> <-
                                - emily saliers   /|\
     ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
=========================================================================
date:         tue, 24 oct 1995 01:02:20 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              betsy macmillan <macmilla@winnie.fit.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         betsy macmillan <macmilla@winnie.fit.edu>
subject:      re: names, id's and chicken-things
x-to:         lorinda wright <lw01@lehigh.edu>
in-reply-to:  <199510232200.saa105419@ns4-1.cc.lehigh.edu>

on mon, 23 oct 1995, lorinda wright wrote:

> so many threads, so little time...
>
> on the debate going on about whether it's a or e saying "who love's us,
> nobody" before thin line: actually, i'm 99.9999999999999% positive it's emily.
> here's why. first of all, it sounds like her! :) second of all, if you listen
> closely you can hear amy laugh at what emily's saying either during the line,
> or _immediately_ after. now, there's no mistaking that laugh, and the timing
> is such that it couldn't really be the same person doing the laughing and the
> talking. (gee, do i have too much free time on my hands or what?)

maybe, but don't we all  ;)
btw, i agree that it truely is emily.

> actually, this brings up another subject. anyone ever notice that when amy is
> singing on the higher end of her register, and when emily is singing at the
> lower end of her register, that their voices are _very_ similar? (hence the
> confusion above.) i've thought about this and i've decided that's why they
> sound so perfect together. they're continuations of almost the same voice.

very good point.  when i'm singing in my car (usually trying to do amy's
harmony to emily's songs) i often get very confused as to what is
harmony, and what is melody, and who is singing what!!!!
even after i rewind and listen very carefully, i still can't figure it out.

> when amy does the s.o.c. she goes most of the way
> through the song just like usual. the last line before the instrumental solo
> is her "hold my hand, chikenmaaaaaaaaan" and she has taken to _screaming_
> after that line. then we go into a really wild instrumental section that
> eventually dies down to almost total silence except for amy's sparsely played
> guitar. emily sits down. amy approaches the mic, and begins to talk. she just
> talks. at times she stops playing long enough to gesture with her hands.
> sometimes she plays so quietly you don't even realize she's doing it, and
> other times she plays violently to stress what's she's saying. her speech ebbs
> and flows with what she's saying. some of it's fairly light hearted, but most
> of it is powerfully emotional, at times screamed into the mic while standing
> on one leg. (the "amy-pose"). the whole experience is downright spiritual.

> and she's exhausted, and she quietly goes into "i was on
> the road to austin" and you're just left standing there feeling drained
> because you've just been given some of the deepest darkest aspects of amy's
> soul.

sorry for the reply repeat, but well said.

> it's a stream of
> consciousness song, so i'm not sure how carefully you can pick it apart to
> analyze it.

yes, i think it is something that is most affectively enjoyed live, when
you feel caught up in a trance, and the words and thoughts just seem to
eminate (sp?) spontaneously from amy.

betsy

i think it's time for a new signature.
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date:         mon, 23 oct 1995 20:04:15 -0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              steven grandt <granstet@david.wheaton.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         steven grandt <granstet@david.wheaton.edu>
subject:      twinkle twinkle
in-reply-to:  <pine.ult.3.91.951022194915.25304b-100000@axis.mtholyoke.edu>
              from "margaret clayton" at oct 22, 95 07:49:42 pm

hey all,
i have to say that emily is so cool!  not only does she play "mary has
a little lamb" in center stage, "ode to joy" in "cedar tree," and
"let us break bread together" in "hammer and a nail," but she also
plays "twinkle twinkle little star" in "world falls" on 12cc.  i don't
think it is in the version on nis, but i could be wrong (my tape is
buried in my car somewhere).  has anyone else noticed this--or any other
hidden tunes?
steve

btw--i personally like "iggies" for what we should call ourselves--i
don't remember who first suggested it.
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date:         mon, 23 oct 1995 20:37:55 -0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              alyssa kramer <akramer@d.umn.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         alyssa kramer <akramer@d.umn.edu>

sign off
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date:         mon, 23 oct 1995 19:28:30 edt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              mr rodney s wicker <rucr57a@prodigy.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         mr rodney s wicker <rucr57a@prodigy.com>
subject:      nigc tracy chapman...

a full page ad in the recent billboard magazine stated that tracy's
new album was due nov. 14 and it is called new beginnings.  it stated
that the album is being produced by tracy and don gehman.  gehman co-
produced every john mellencamp album from american fool to lonesome
jubilee, he produced rem's life's rich pageant, and cracked rear view
by hootie & the blowfish.

even though tracy's last album was a commercial disappointment, her
body of work has sold a total of 18 million albums worldwide
according to elektra, her label.  i hope this next record at least
gets her some of the commercial respect her label feels for her!
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date:         mon, 23 oct 1995 23:56:38 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              nlyng@postoffice.ptd.net
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "(eric l. nerino)" <nlyng@postoffice.ptd.net>
subject:      girlies?
in-reply-to:  <pine.osf.3.91.951023114721.26288e-100000@amy18.stanford.edu>

hey all....

>indigo girls fans should be called girlies!!!!!

i prefer go-head..........being male and all.......  :)

hope all you 'girlies' won't hold it against me...   :)

.....eric
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date:         tue, 24 oct 1995 01:16:15 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              jo norvelle walker <jo@pluto.njcc.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         jo norvelle walker <jo@pluto.njcc.com>
subject:      re: girlies!
x-to:         betsy macmillan <macmilla@winnie.fit.edu>

>well, i have to agree with jen here.  i have heard a lot of good ideas,
>but girlies seems to fit the best.  i understand how the guys might feel
>about being called "girlies", but i really feel that it is a salute to
>the indigo 'girlies'.  perhaps "girlie heads" would suit everyone.
>just a suggestion :)
>
>       betsy

someone posted a few days (weeks?) ago that once-upon-a-time i-girl had
suggested "specks of dust."  i must not have been around when this was
originally mentioned, but i admire i-girl's opinions perhaps more than those
of anyone here, except possibly my own.  and i-girl's posts have always
expressed the apotheosis of all things emily.

therefore, having thought about this deeply, i suggest...


                     girlie specks


jo
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date:         tue, 24 oct 1995 01:44:56 edt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              jynne/jen/joe/dilling etc <jld4f@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         jynne/jen/joe/dilling etc <jld4f@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu>
subject:      re: girlies!

okay kids, about the whole "fan name" thing:

i think we are totally leaving out amy and emily here.  shouldn't their names
be included in what we call ourselves? so, this may be a stretch, but i was
thinking we could take their first initials, "e" and "a", and call ourselves
"eagerls" or "eagirls":  a play on "eager", cuz we're eager to rock out with
them, "gerls" like indigo "girls", and of course it starts with the "e" and
"a".

so just another thought, eagerls.  it doesn't matter anyways, as long as we
all know we love amy and emily.

                    catch you eagerls later  --- jynne


______________________________________________________________________
"once upon a time and a very good time it was there was a moocow
coming down along the road and this moocow that was coming down along
the road met a nicens little boy named baby tuckoo..."   james joyce
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date:         mon, 23 oct 1995 23:13:33 -0700
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              angie <shehulk@leland.stanford.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         angie <shehulk@leland.stanford.edu>
subject:      re: girlies!
x-to:         jo norvelle walker <jo@pluto.njcc.com>
in-reply-to:  <199510240516.baa22706@pluto.njcc.com>

jo,

        girlie specks?!?  pure brilliance!

(tipping my honor the earth hat)

angie
(and i promise this is my last comment on this subject)
shehulk@leland
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date:         mon, 23 oct 1995 23:18:11 edt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              howard barlow/ssi1 <howard_barlow/ssi1.ssi1@notes-gw.tus.ssi1.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         howard barlow/ssi1 <howard_barlow/ssi1.ssi1@notes-gw.tus.ssi1.com>
subject:      re: girlies!

hi,
i like girlie heads!  it is a take of off phish heads, dead heads, parrot heads
etc.
it still has girlies in it, which seems to fit best overall with emily's aim to
please the girlies.
for us guys, it is easier to be a girlie head u know :)  with this, we can have
it both
ways if we want and everyone will still know what we are talking about.

cya,
- - howdy...
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date:         mon, 23 oct 1995 10:28:20 -24000
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              "judith k. hunter" <jhunter@rtc.gov>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "judith k. hunter" <jhunter@rtc.gov>
subject:      re: indigovirgin

yeah, i was wondering about that....glad you mentioned it, joan.  thought
maybe i had a bug in my dubber :-)

jude
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date:         tue, 24 oct 1995 11:03:46 +0000
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              richard lloyd <r.k.lloyd@csc.liv.ac.uk>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         richard lloyd <r.k.lloyd@csc.liv.ac.uk>
subject:      re: watershed dilemma
in-reply-to:  <v01510103acb1528cbe60@[128.243.118.245]> from "sharon jennings"
              at oct 23, 95 07:15:13 pm

> it can't be done by hooking up two videos (even if you have a video that
> will play the tape it doesn't work)... already tried that one.

it does work if one of the videos can play an ntsc tape in pal format and
the other is a normal pal video. i have such a setup (one is an aiwa multi-
standard video and the other is a boring old ferguson vcr). the aiwa cost me
399 pounds, but other brands can play ntsc tapes on a pal tv (panasonic is
an obvious one to pick and i know sharp do such a vcr too). i just hook the
two vcrs with a scart cable and no hassles. conversion quality isn't great
(the aiwa i got was a basic model), but it's watchable. the more you pay for
the ntsc <-> pal vcr, the better the conversion usually.

before i get lots of begging e-mail, i'm not volunteering to do any us -> uk
conversions of "watershed" (which i don't have yet, but will soon hopefully)
or "live at the uptown lounge" :-)

richard
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date:         tue, 24 oct 1995 12:02:31 +0000
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              j.f.l.devaney@aston.ac.uk
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         j.f.l.devaney@aston.ac.uk
subject:      re: jerry marotta

hi people ... i'm amazed no-one had more to say about this ...

>>opposite view.  if i want to hear jerry marotta ruin a bunch of indigo
>>girls songs, i can sit at home and listen to _rites_of_passage_ (or 1200
>>curfews, come to think of it: saxophone? yuck...), rather than go spend
>>$30; that's a lot of money, and you really shouldn't be judging someone
>>because they'd rather pay to see one concert than another.
>>
>>
>
>i never thought marotta was that bad actually, especially on songs like
>least complicated.   i think he wasn't well suited to the last bit of touch
>me fall (too heavy and slow) but he adds a lot of character to some of the
>rop ballads.   any views, anyone?
>
>mat
>mts5@aber.ac.uk

hmmm ... i was gonna delete all the irelevant bits, but it's all kinda
relevant.
here's my view ... jerry marotta is a great drummer/percusionist ... i
think anyone who thinks he's ruined anything by the igs is biased against
drumming in general. rites of passage is my current favourite album and i
play the very start over and over because i love the _two_ drum sounds
there. anybody else noticed that?

back to the crypt ....

johnd
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date:         tue, 24 oct 1995 22:23:19 +1000
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              piquet the cat <piquet@geko.com.au>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         piquet the cat <piquet@geko.com.au>
subject:      re: watershed dilemma
in-reply-to:  <199510241103.laa13783@loire.csc.liv.ac.uk>

on tue, 24 oct 1995, richard lloyd wrote:

> it does work if one of the videos can play an ntsc tape in pal format and
> the other is a normal pal video. i have such a setup (one is an aiwa multi-
> standard video and the other is a boring old ferguson vcr). the aiwa cost me
> 399 pounds, but other brands can play ntsc tapes on a pal tv (panasonic is
> an obvious one to pick and i know sharp do such a vcr too). i just hook the
> two vcrs with a scart cable and no hassles. conversion quality isn't great
> (the aiwa i got was a basic model), but it's watchable. the more you pay for
> the ntsc <-> pal vcr, the better the conversion usually.

hmmmmmm.... mine didn't work when i tried it (ntsc->pal), maybe i need to
do more fiddling... even the quality when i was playing the ntsc tapes
with v-hold adjusted was pretty icky (b/w only).  oh well.

> before i get lots of begging e-mail, i'm not volunteering to do any us -> uk
> conversions of "watershed" (which i don't have yet, but will soon hopefully)
> or "live at the uptown lounge" :-)

well heck.  i've got uptown on pal, and i'm getting watershed converted as
soon as it gets here (hopefully tomorrow :) )... and i'm already going to
be doing copies for folks, so why don't i just extend this offer to
include anyone and everyone else who needs copies in pal? :) mail me if
you're interested...

cheers all,
sherlyn
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
piquet the cat - piquet@geko.com.au; aka sherlyn koo - sherlyn@geko.com.au
"well life has a funny way of sneaking up on you when you think everything's
        okay and everything's going right...
and life has a funny way of helping you out when you think everything's gone
        wrong and everything blows up in your face..."
                        - alanis morissette, "ironic"
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date:         tue, 24 oct 1995 08:44:00 edt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              sheri stanley <sstanley@infinet.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         sheri stanley <sstanley@infinet.com>
subject:      top ten reasons why emily saliers is (besides my partner) the
              perfect woman

oh gosh...i have a funny feeling i'm headed for trouble on this one, but
what the heck. i haven't posted for awhile, and doggone it...i deserve to
post (said in my best stuart smiley voice)...

1. she plays guitar
2. she uses d'addario light-gauge strings
3. she uses tortex guitar picks
4. she took classical guitar lessons when she was a kid
5. she plays golf
6. she's been seen sporting a ping hat (excellent golf clubs)
     (are my prejudices becomeing obvious yet? <g>)
7. she's a sports fan
8. she's an amazing writer
9. she has a voice like honey
10. she reads great books

-sheri (ducking punches from my girlfriend and from the long arm of the law
in arlington, virginia!!!!!) <g>
a room without books
is a body without a soul
                -cicero
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date:         tue, 24 oct 1995 08:29:14 ewt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              just call me norma ray <afiegle@cluster.ucs.indiana.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         just call me norma ray <afiegle@cluster.ucs.indiana.edu>
subject:      re: complicated girls

i saw "complicated girls" in a record store the other day, and it was
listed as an import.  the cover had no words oranything --only a couple
of old looking pics. that's all i can tell you, but if anyone else knows
anything--please share!

mandy
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date:         tue, 24 oct 1995 15:57:29 +0100
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              mts5@aber.ac.uk
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         matthew joseph smith <mts5@aber.ac.uk>
subject:      re: jerry marotta
x-to:         j.f.l.devaney@aston.ac.uk

>hi people ... i'm amazed no-one had more to say about this ...
>
>>>opposite view.  if i want to hear jerry marotta ruin a bunch of indigo
>>>girls songs, i can sit at home and listen to _rites_of_passage_ (or 1200
>>>curfews, come to think of it: saxophone? yuck...), rather than go spend
>>>$30; that's a lot of money, and you really shouldn't be judging someone
>>>because they'd rather pay to see one concert than another.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>i never thought marotta was that bad actually, especially on songs like
>>least complicated.   i think he wasn't well suited to the last bit of touch
>>me fall (too heavy and slow) but he adds a lot of character to some of the
>>rop ballads.   any views, anyone?
>>
>>mat
>>mts5@aber.ac.uk
>
>hmmm ... i was gonna delete all the irelevant bits, but it's all kinda
>relevant.
>here's my view ... jerry marotta is a great drummer/percusionist ... i
>think anyone who thinks he's ruined anything by the igs is biased against
>drumming in general. rites of passage is my current favourite album and i
>play the very start over and over because i love the _two_ drum sounds
>there. anybody else noticed that?
>
>back to the crypt ....
>
>johnd
>

well, rop isn't my favourite album, but jm's contribution to swamp ophelia
is quite substantial, especially to the more, dare i say, sentimental songs
like power of two which a different drummer could have rendered twee.   just
listen to maura o'connell's "western highway", which in terms of rhythm and
structure is a dead-ringer for "ghost", "love will come to you" and
"language or the kiss" and the effects of the drums on the igs songs makes
them miles ahead;  western highway is a good song, but it just sounds like
typical irish folk stuff without the accordions and saxophones which make
mary black sound even worse.   (ever hear katie, off by the time it gets dark?)

and anyone who complains about how jm "ruins" rites of passage should think
themselves lucky that a&e did not pick carlo nuccio, tori amos's drummer.
just listen to precious things (off little earthquakes) and imagine that
sound on some of rop or so?

and a&e didn't just pull jerry out of nowhere.   he's played with numerous
people, in particular peter gabriel and suzanne vega.   in fact, i saw sv
live the year 99.9f got released, and i think he was much more suited to her
"marlene on the wall" than the original drummer, sue evans.   that gig was
just fantastic, even the old songs were completely transformed by her new band.

mat
mts5@aber.ac.uk
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date:         tue, 24 oct 1995 16:50:09 +0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              sharon jennings <rcxsj@unix.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         sharon jennings <rcxsj@unix.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk>
subject:      re: watershed dilemma
x-to:         richard lloyd <r.k.lloyd@csc.liv.ac.uk>

>before i get lots of begging e-mail, i'm not volunteering to do any us -> uk
>conversions of "watershed" (which i don't have yet, but will soon hopefully)
>or "live at the uptown lounge" :-)
>
>richard

you can get live at the uptown lounge on pal format... it was released here
for a short time, so there's no problem.

sharon

sharon. a. jennings
cancer research campaign laboratories
univesity of nottingham
university park
nottingham
ng7  2rd                   (0115) 9513408
england                (0115) 9513414  (fax)
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date:         tue, 24 oct 1995 12:49:33 cst6cddt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              "michelle m. elliott" <melliott@student.uwsuper.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "michelle m. elliott" <melliott@student.uwsuper.edu>
organization: uw-superior
subject:      re: quote id (nigc)
x-to:         alycia <anb038@nwu.edu>, alycia <anb038@nwu.edu>

the quote on your sticker is from gertrude stein:
"a woman without a man is like a fish without a bicycle"
u2 changed it a bit and included it in their song:
"a woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle"

michelle
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date:         tue, 24 oct 1995 12:56:52 cst6cddt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              "michelle m. elliott" <melliott@student.uwsuper.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "michelle m. elliott" <melliott@student.uwsuper.edu>
organization: uw-superior
subject:      12cc

well, i finally had a chance to get the cds and watch the disney
special a friend taped for me.  i feel like a little kid who ate way
too much sugar, couldn't wipe the smile off my face for three days!

one question i have is on the disney tape, during fugitive, emily
sings the "oooooooooooooh" part right before the guitar solo.  when i
saw them in concert in the summer of '94, amy sung that part, i am
sure of it.  as a matter of fact, i was surprised then because i had
thought on so that emily was singing the part, then changed my mind
when i actually saw amy sing it live.  so now, i wonder again who
sings this part on so.  any thoughts?

this is all relating back to the insightful post about how amy and
emily have a real blend at the top and bottom of their registers
respectfully.

another place where i have this same "who is singing that?" question
is on the line "the bullets don't match the gun"  in bmhawk.  on the
live version it sounds like amy, on the studio version it sounds
(imho) like emily.  what do you folks think??

michelle
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date:         tue, 24 oct 1995 14:31:12 edt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              mary clark <mryclrk@eden.rutgers.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         mary clark <mryclrk@eden.rutgers.edu>
subject:      new year's at eddie's attic

in the tradition of trying to escape the misery in my life, i am considering
a road trip to atlanta for the eddie's attic new year's party.  does anybody
know anything about this year's lineup?  can anyone tell my about past years,
what attendance was like, who played, how long it lasts, etc... and what's a
good place to stay?  on the last list we had someone posted a map of
atlanta...does that person stil have that map, and could they please post it
again?  i'm sure the new people would like to see it too.  also, if anyone in
the new york new jersey area would like to go, e-mail me.  i'm thinking about
renting a van or something so that a bunch of people can go (if you have a
van, then *make sure* you e-mail me :)  i'll pay for gas.)
mc
ps i like chickenpeople.  it's appropiately obscure. what's the point of
going to all this trouble for a name if we just call ourselves indigo-heads
or something?
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date:         tue, 24 oct 1995 19:04:43 +0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              sharon jennings <rcxsj@unix.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         sharon jennings <rcxsj@unix.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk>
subject:      re: jerry marotta
x-to:         mts5@aber.ac.uk

>and a&e didn't just pull jerry out of nowhere.   he's played with numerous
>people, in particular peter gabriel and suzanne vega.   in fact, i saw sv
>live the year 99.9f got released, and i think he was much more suited to her
>"marlene on the wall" than the original drummer, sue evans.   that gig was
>just fantastic, even the old songs were completely transformed by her new band.
>
>mat
>mts5@aber.ac.uk

so which gigs where you at mat? in the uk and europe she had her old
drummer frank vilardi playing with her, her old guitarist marc shulman and
her old bass player mike viseglia (although chad blake played a couple of
the gigs). the only major change was that she had mitchell froom (who is
now her husband) on keyboards. mitchell replaced anton sanko. jerry marotta
and chad blake are in a band with mitchell froom called soul coughing and
they released an album called ruby vroom in honor of suzanne's and
mitchell's daughter ruby froom. suzanne wouldn't let them call it ruby
froom in case ruby wanted to release an album when she is older. so whilst
jerry has played on suzanne's studio recordings to my knowledge he has
never played live with her whilst in the uk.... and believe me i know these
things<g>

here's another bit of trivia:
gail ann dorsey is now playing bass with tears for fears and appears in the
video for their new single wearing a long red robe.

sharon

sharon. a. jennings
cancer research campaign laboratories
univesity of nottingham
university park
nottingham
ng7  2rd                   (0115) 9513408
england                (0115) 9513414  (fax)
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date:         tue, 24 oct 1995 14:45:24 edt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              jessie gilliam <jmg8r@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         jessie gilliam <jmg8r@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu>
subject:      re: quote id (nigc)
x-to:         jld4f@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu

getrude stein did not write "a woman without a man is like a fish without a
bicycle."  you might be thinking gloria steinem... but according to my
"roommate'" trusted copy of bartlett's familiar quotations- it is an
anonymous feminist slogan of the 80's.
               --jessie
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date:         tue, 24 oct 1995 12:03:34 -0700
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              dianne <dianne@uci.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         dianne <dianne@uci.edu>
subject:      shanny potter!

shanny, i lost your e-mail address! i picked up the 1,200 cd last night
for you, but have a question..... and i can't contact you before i ship
the cd abroad....


...just drop me a quick line so i can write ya back!

--dianne
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date:         tue, 24 oct 1995 14:53:39 -0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              ** craig cook ** <cookca@cs.purdue.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         ** craig cook ** <cookca@cs.purdue.edu>
subject:      thin line
in-reply-to:  <cmm-ru.1.5.814559472.mryclrk@er5.rutgers.edu>

hi everyone...

i've been a lurker for too long.  i'm craig.  and i love the indigo
girls.  they are a big factor as to why i learned guitar.  anyway...
does anyone have the solo in thin line figured out?  i don't like to ask
questions like this, especially over a mailing list... but it's been
bothereing me.  (and no, i'm not talking about the lowend riffs.  - i
think that it would be emily's part of the jam out)

anyway...
get back to work! (school)

thanks
craig

    \0/    \0/ \     \ /     /   \0/   \0/    \0/ \     \ /     / \0/    \0/
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____/ \___/\___/0\___/0\___/0\___/ \___/ \___/\___/0\___/0\___/0\___/\___/ \___
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                                        *
                                        *
craig cook                              *  if people who eat vegetables are
                                        *
aspiring computer scientist             *  called vegetarians, then shouldn't
                                        *
cookca@cs.purdue.edu                    *  cannibals be called humanitarians?
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____/ \___/\___/0\___/0\___/0\___/ \___/ \___/\___/0\___/0\___/0\___/\___/ \___
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date:         tue, 24 oct 1995 20:54:27 +0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              sharon jennings <rcxsj@unix.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         sharon jennings <rcxsj@unix.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk>
subject:      re: jerry marotta

my brain must be up with the fairies today... i have a correction to my
last post about jerry marotta and suzanne vega. it was zef cats(sp?) who
played bass on a few of the uk dates. then suzanne's old bass played mike
viseglia took over. it was suzanne's husband mitchell froom who played
keyboards in the uk but chad blake took over in europe.

you just have to get these things right don't you? :)

sharon

sharon. a. jennings
cancer research campaign laboratories
univesity of nottingham
university park
nottingham
ng7  2rd                   (0115) 9513408
england                (0115) 9513414  (fax)
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date:         tue, 24 oct 1995 17:04:52 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              cojehali@aol.com
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "<connie lindell>" <cojehali@aol.com>
subject:      re: lyric interpretation?

hi y'all...

just (finally!) got my copy of watershed and loved every second of it -
especially after reading all that you folks have had to say about it!  i
really enjoyed the video for hammer and a nail, but it brought to mind a
lyric interpretation question i've been wanting to ask (not sure if this
particular one has been brought up before?)  i absolutely love this song and
can totally relate to most of it, but i do have a question about a part of
it.  my question regards the following lyrics:

i look behind my ears for the green
even my sweat smells clean
glare off the white hurts my eyes

the "glare off the white" part brings to mind an image of snow-blindness
(reflection of the sun off the white snow) but i"m not really sure how that
relates to the song?  they seem to be singing about the purity of an "honest
day's work" via physical labor.....perhaps the white represents purity?  and
"look behind my ears for the green"....is that a reference to
naivete/innocence, which is another form of purity?  or am i way off?  i've
wondered about this for some time and i'd welcome the thoughts and opinions
of others on this list!  thanks! :)

-connie
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date:         tue, 24 oct 1995 17:09:51 edt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              "anna l. creech" <creechal@cc.emu.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "anna l. creech" <creechal@cc.emu.edu>
organization: eastern mennonite university
subject:      girlies? & introduction

hello, all!  i've been lurking for a while, but there's so much
discussion going on, i've been having trouble keeping myself from
jumping in.  however, since i'm new and haven't introduced myself, i
didn't think that would be right.

i'm a sophomore mathematics major studying at eastern mennonite university.
you've never heard of my school because it is small, christian, and
in a small town in virginia.  i've only been familiar with the indigo
girls for about a year now.  i was introduce to the group by my dorm
pals last year.  just about everyone on my floor listened to them.  i
really like the guitar stuff, and what grabbed me by my collar and
wouldn't let go was the harmony.  <sigh>  i wish i could sing as low
as amy. <sigh>  anyway, ever since i borrowed rop from a friend, i've
not been able to get ig out of my blood.  i have four albums now (ig,
botby, rop, & so), but i have to say that rop is my all-time
favourite.

anyway, to get to the point of this posting, could someone explain to
me what is meant by "girlies"?  also, does anyone know of a christian
group that has and ig sound?  not that i have to listen to christian
all the time, but it would be nice to have lyrics that speak to my
spiritual preference once in a while.

sorry this was so long!

anna
********
"the world is never so full of romantic possibility as when
you are trying not to go out with someone."  - andrea stoner
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date:         tue, 24 oct 1995 21:22:46 +0100
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              mts5@aber.ac.uk
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         matthew joseph smith <mts5@aber.ac.uk>
subject:      re: jerry marotta
x-to:         sharon jennings <rcxsj@unix.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk>

>my brain must be up with the fairies today... i have a correction to my
>last post about jerry marotta and suzanne vega. it was zef cats(sp?) who
>played bass on a few of the uk dates. then suzanne's old bass played mike
>viseglia took over. it was suzanne's husband mitchell froom who played
>keyboards in the uk but chad blake took over in europe.
>

his name is zev katz.   and the keyboardist is tchad blake (it's the french
version - the german, by the way is tschad).

>you just have to get these things right don't you? :)
>
>sharon
>
>sharon. a. jennings
>cancer research campaign laboratories
>univesity of nottingham
>university park
>nottingham
>ng7  2rd                   (0115) 9513408
>england                (0115) 9513414  (fax)
>
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date:         tue, 24 oct 1995 17:29:54 edt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              yen m tang <ymt2@lehigh.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         yen m tang <ymt2@lehigh.edu>
subject:      re: lyric interpretation?
x-to:         cojehali@aol.com

connie wrote:
>i look behind my ears for the green
>even my sweat smells clean
>glare off the white hurts my eyes
>
to me, those lines paint an image of not doing anything with your life. 'sweat
smells clean': meaning even the work you've done doesn't amount to much in this
world. 'glare off the white': white referring to clean, not dirtied by any
work. the whole song is about getting off your tush and lending a helping hand,
and those lines are when you realize how little you do and that guilt is the
motivation. make any sense? babble, babble, babble.

not you, as in you guys, the mailing list. i'm too lazy to type his/her and
all the slashed pronouns. i guess i could have used first person. looks like i
need to take this song to heart:)

yen m tang
ymt2@lehigh.edu

"what i won't give to have the things that mean
the most not to mean the things i miss."
    --e.s. "language or the kiss"
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date:         tue, 24 oct 1995 18:09:50 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              guinione@aol.com
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         guinione@aol.com
subject:      fugitive/bmhawk

in regards to the question about who sings what in certain parts of these two
songs ..

on the swamp ophelia version of fugitive - it's amy doing the "oohhhhhh" ..
then going into the guitar solo ...

during the acoutic part of the tour ... amy would do the "oohh.." and emily
would solo on the acoustic ... when they brought the full band on for the
latter part of the tour ... emily would do the "oohh.." while amy strapped on
the electric for her solo ...

and bmhawk -- only on the studio version (1200c) have i noticed emily saying
"the bullets don't match the gun" part ... reason being - amy was singing the
part that jerry usually sings ... live - they have jerry sing a verse, then
amy does the 'bullets' part ...

at least that's what i'm thinking ...

chris
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date:         tue, 24 oct 1995 18:11:30 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              rokacek@aol.com
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         rokacek@aol.com
subject:      re: top ten reasons why emily saliers is (besides my partner) the
              perfect woman

yeah, i use those guitar strings too :)  what does that make me?

so, does this mean amy is kicked to the curb? i always knew you'd soften up
and go with emily!
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date:         tue, 24 oct 1995 18:20:37 edt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              lorinda wright <lw01@lehigh.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         lorinda wright <lw01@lehigh.edu>
subject:      re: lyric interpretation?
x-to:         yen m tang <ymt2@lehigh.edu>

hey girlies!!

>connie wrote:
>>i look behind my ears for the green
>>even my sweat smells clean
>>glare off the white hurts my eyes

good question. i've thought about this one myself. i keep thinking that the
"green" behind her ears is referring to some saying. you know, like the saying
"wet behind the ears" refers to a novice. for some reason i get the feeling
that the way she says "the green" is indicating that it should be obvious what
she's referring to. as in her line "all the old dogs and the magicians." is
referring to "you can't teach an old dog new tricks" and the way she so
casually tosses the reference out there is an indication that it's referring
to something obvious, and not something obscure from her own personal
experience. so my question is: can anybody think of a common saying that
includes a reference to "green" or "green behind the ears"? all i can think of
is "wet behind the ears" and "yellow-bellied" and i know _that's_ not what she
means! :)

oh, and i've decided i like "girlies" best of all. works for me because
a)emily aims to please us. and b)it's kinda like groupies or trekies. it works
with the name of the band. maybe we could use it interchangeably with
"girlie-heads" (or girlie specks, or fortunate girlie chicken-heads, or
enlightened girlie girlie-heads, or whatever else it is today. :)

folkisgruven,
l-
iwillnotbecomplacentiwillnotbecomplacentiwillnotbecomplacentiwillnotbecomplac
w                                                                           e
i lorinda wright           "learn to pretend there's more than love that    n
l lw01@lehigh.edu           matters. -e.s.                                  t
l lehigh university                                                         i
n bethlehem, pa                                                             w
o                        "a ghost of comfort, angel's breath to keep this   i
t                         life inside my chest." -a.r.                      l
b                                                                           l
e      "a thousand guitar strings - amy ; two guitar strings - emily        n
c                                                                           o
omplacentiwillnotbecomplacentiwillnotbecomplacentiwillnotbecomplacentiwillnot
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date:         tue, 24 oct 1995 20:27:55 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              betsy macmillan <macmilla@winnie.fit.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         betsy macmillan <macmilla@winnie.fit.edu>
subject:      re: lyric interpretation?
x-to:         yen m tang <ymt2@lehigh.edu>
in-reply-to:  <199510242130.raa18492@ns2-1.cc.lehigh.edu>

> >i look behind my ears for the green
> >even my sweat smells clean
> >glare off the white hurts my eyes
> >
> to me, those lines paint an image of not doing anything with your life.

> the whole song is about getting off your tush and lending a helping hand,
> and those lines are when you realize how little you do and that guilt is the
> motivation. make any sense? babble, babble, babble.

i have always felt that this song is directly related to personal
growth, not necessarily what you do (or don't do) for other people.  in
one of my earlier depressions i kept sitting back and feeling sorry for
myself, and just accepting everything as bad luck, or selfish people.
when i finally really listened to the words of the song, i said "shit,
i'm not going to feel better until i do something!"  i had to "get out of
bed", (literally) and use some theraputic tools.  instead of thinking
about, and imagining all the terrible things that had happened, and those
to come, i needed to find a "refuge".  i realized how much work i had to
do in order for my old, happy self to blossom again.  lots of therapy,
communication with my family, and taking care of myself.   i now have my
rose again :)  sometimes it goes dormant, but i know that it's only a
matter of time and "earth tending" before it blossoms again.

this is just one of the many ways that amy and emily have helped me
through rough times.  god bless them.

anyone else have a revelation about life because of the girls?
i have many more inspirational stories, but i don't want to bore everyone
with them right now.  i would really like to know how exactly they have
helped other people.

take care y'all.

betsy   (currently trying to come up with a new signature)
=========================================================================
date:         tue, 24 oct 1995 17:30:59 -0700
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              jennifer lynn bean <beanjl@whitman.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         jennifer lynn bean <beanjl@whitman.edu>
subject:      re: lyric interpretation?
x-to:         lorinda wright <lw01@lehigh.edu>
in-reply-to:  <199510242220.saa98979@ns4-1.cc.lehigh.edu>

ok, i think i can help you with this one....like the expression of a
green thumb, i think she's trying to look at the littlest crevices of her
body and find growth, like little plants.  or she's trying to purify
herself, seen in the 2nd and 3rd lines, and the green she's looking for
is mold....pretty picture.  anyway, food for thought...please let me know
if you think i'm way off.
-jenn

on tue, 24 oct 1995, lorinda wright wrote:

> hey girlies!!
>
> >connie wrote:
> >>i look behind my ears for the green
> >>even my sweat smells clean
> >>glare off the white hurts my eyes
>
> good question. i've thought about this one myself. i keep thinking that the
> "green" behind her ears is referring to some saying. you know, like the saying
> "wet behind the ears" refers to a novice. for some reason i get the feeling
> that the way she says "the green" is indicating that it should be obvious what
> she's referring to. as in her line "all the old dogs and the magicians." is
> referring to "you can't teach an old dog new tricks" and the way she so
> casually tosses the reference out there is an indication that it's referring
> to something obvious, and not something obscure from her own personal
> experience. so my question is: can anybody think of a common saying that
> includes a reference to "green" or "green behind the ears"? all i can think of
> is "wet behind the ears" and "yellow-bellied" and i know _that's_ not what she
> means! :)
>
> oh, and i've decided i like "girlies" best of all. works for me because
> a)emily aims to please us. and b)it's kinda like groupies or trekies. it works
> with the name of the band. maybe we could use it interchangeably with
> "girlie-heads" (or girlie specks, or fortunate girlie chicken-heads, or
> enlightened girlie girlie-heads, or whatever else it is today. :)
>
> folkisgruven,
> l-
> iwillnotbecomplacentiwillnotbecomplacentiwillnotbecomplacentiwillnotbecomplac
> w                                                                           e
> i lorinda wright           "learn to pretend there's more than love that    n
> l lw01@lehigh.edu           matters. -e.s.                                  t
> l lehigh university                                                         i
> n bethlehem, pa                                                             w
> o                        "a ghost of comfort, angel's breath to keep this   i
> t                         life inside my chest." -a.r.                      l
> b                                                                           l
> e      "a thousand guitar strings - amy ; two guitar strings - emily        n
> c                                                                           o
> omplacentiwillnotbecomplacentiwillnotbecomplacentiwillnotbecomplacentiwillnot
>
=========================================================================
date:         tue, 24 oct 1995 20:53:24 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              mschlofner@aol.com
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         mschlofner@aol.com
subject:      just what the heck are we?

just to say something about who are we on the list.  i agree that it needs to
be something original; however, speaking as a sensitive male (tee-hee), do i
have to announce to people that i m a girlie?  please, i have enough trouble
getting a date. :-)

i don't have any ideas, but maybe i'll think of something.

peace.

matt
=========================================================================
date:         tue, 24 oct 1995 20:18:53 -0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              alycia <anb038@nwu.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         alycia <anb038@nwu.edu>
subject:      top ten reasons why amy is the best

i have to provide a rebuttal to the "emily" list.  i'm partial to amy, what can i say?

10.  green lantern t-shirt.
9.  her taste in music.
8.  she loves to mountain bike.
7.  the one legged stance and eyes closed performance stance.
6.  daemon records.
5.  she was not afraid to cut her hair.
4.  long electric guitar solos.
3.  she's an alto -- the voice is the key.
2.  holds the record for breaking guitar strings.
1.  chickenman.

'cause the trouble in my head
is getting closer to my legs
i've got to walk it out
and the trouble with my heart
is that i can't take it out
and the trouble with myself
is that i don't know me
so if you find me
would you kindly show me
the way home                                      - melissa ferrick
=========================================================================
date:         tue, 24 oct 1995 20:21:43 ewt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              "grrr to you..." <jshields@cluster.ucs.indiana.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "grrr to you..." <jshields@cluster.ucs.indiana.edu>
subject:      re: girlies? & introduction

for anna creech and whoever else wants to know.......
there is kinda of a male group named harvest that once said they wanted that indigo girls sound.  they are a christian group and they sound ok, but are not
on any level near the indigo girls.  give it a try if it is christian music that youreally want to hear.

jshields@cluster.ucs.indiana.edu

if you don't like this music don't hold me accountable. i like all music!

how about sapphetes for a name??  indigo colored small stones of great worth.
=========================================================================
date:         tue, 24 oct 1995 20:27:48 ewt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              indiana university <jshields@cluster.ucs.indiana.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         indiana university <jshields@cluster.ucs.indiana.edu>
subject:      re: what is the name for ig fans?

you know i think that since we were having that big indian talk, we should
call ourselves the engines.  kinda cool eh??

hey don't get pissed for the comment.  my father happens to be american indian.
and no i am not offended by tomahaks.  i find the indian culture beautiful.
=========================================================================
date:         tue, 24 oct 1995 21:32:25 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              jessica l manela <jmanela@sas.upenn.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         jessica l manela <jmanela@sas.upenn.edu>
subject:      hello!!!!

hi everyone.  i am new to this newsgroup and so i wanted to say hi and
let you all know how overwhelming this newsgroup can be to someone who is
not in it! =)  my mailbox keeps getting full before i have a chance to
logout...

anyway, i am trying to follow all of the different things that are going
on.  i would like to respond to the name thing.  i am assuming you are
creating a name for this newsgroup?!?!?!

i personally side with the males and think that girlies may be a bit
harsh for them.  i personally like the chicken- suggestions.  what about
chickenfolk?

i'll keep thinking.  in the mean time, it was nice to make your acquaintance.

later -

jessica
=========================================================================
date:         tue, 24 oct 1995 21:44:39 edt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              jessie gilliam <jmg8r@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         jessie gilliam <jmg8r@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu>
subject:      re: girlies? & introduction
x-to:         jld4f@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu

on oct 24,  8:21pm, "grrr to you..." wrote:
> subject: re: girlies? & introduction>
> how about sapphetes for a name??  indigo colored small stones of great
worth.
> -- end of excerpt from "grrr to you..." <jshields@cluster.ucs.indiana.edu>

and like sappho.
               --jessie


"a coronet of celery."
          --sappho
=========================================================================
date:         tue, 24 oct 1995 21:56:17 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              margaret clayton <maclayto@mhc.mtholyoke.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         margaret clayton <maclayto@mhc.mtholyoke.edu>
subject:      re: girlies? & introduction
x-to:         "grrr to you..." <jshields@cluster.ucs.indiana.edu>
in-reply-to:  <199510250115.uaa18941@cayman.ucs.indiana.edu>

on tue, 24 oct 1995, grrr to you... wrote:

> how about sapphetes for a name??  indigo colored small stones of great worth.

not to be confused with sapphites, mm?
margaret
=========================================================================
date:         tue, 24 oct 1995 22:11:17 -0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              stephen curry <sacurry@mindspring.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         stephen curry <sacurry@mindspring.com>
subject:      one thumbs down on girlies.

well, in truth, i guess we can all call ourselves whatever we want to!

but even though i'm fairly relaxed about sexual issues (heck, i'm bi - how
much more relaxed can you get?) i'm still not very comfortable with the
idea of calling myself a "girlie". i'm a guy, you know? and i kind of like
it. how bout something everyone can feel equally a part of?

anyway, just my two cents. i kind of like 'go-heads, myself!

party on, 'go-heads.


--------------------------------------------------------------
i don't want to wait for heaven...
if you can't feel it here, you won't feel it there anyway.
                                             indigo girls

sacurry@mindspring.com
http://www.mindspring.com/~sacurry
--------------------------------------------------------------
=========================================================================
date:         tue, 24 oct 1995 22:26:58 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              betsy macmillan <macmilla@winnie.fit.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         betsy macmillan <macmilla@winnie.fit.edu>
subject:      re: just what the heck are we?
x-to:         mschlofner@aol.com
in-reply-to:  <951024205320_53428325@mail04.mail.aol.com>

on tue, 24 oct 1995 mschlofner@aol.com wrote:

> just to say something about who are we on the list.  i agree that it needs to
> be something original; however, speaking as a sensitive male (tee-hee), do i
> have to announce to people that i m a girlie?  please, i have enough trouble
> getting a date. :-)

well, my idea of "girlie heads" could actually help in getting you a date,
right? :)

this leads me to a new thread -- "circumcision" !  to circumcise or not
(like you had a decision in the first place!)  :(

just kidding!!!

please send no flames, as i was just trying to make people laugh.

take care y'all.

betsy
=========================================================================
date:         tue, 24 oct 1995 22:52:28 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              betsy macmillan <macmilla@winnie.fit.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         betsy macmillan <macmilla@winnie.fit.edu>
subject:      re: one thumbs down on girlies.
x-to:         stephen curry <sacurry@mindspring.com>
in-reply-to:  <v01510100acb359b7bf4a@[168.121.34.26]>

> but even though i'm fairly relaxed about sexual issues (heck, i'm bi - how
> much more relaxed can you get?) i'm still not very comfortable with the
> idea of calling myself a "girlie".

what about my idea!!!!   girlie heads  ??

hey, i feel for my fellow bi-friends, but hey....
can't we all just get along?

we love you steph (steve, whatever)!!!!

take care,    betsy  (still not sure what the new signature should be)
=========================================================================
date:         tue, 24 oct 1995 21:49:50 -0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              keller jennifer l <jlk299s@nic.smsu.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         keller jennifer l <jlk299s@nic.smsu.edu>
subject:      re: hammer and a nail and name

"i look behind my ears for the green
even my sweat smells clean
glare off the white hurts my eyes..."
i've always thought this passage was about people's naivete and
shelteredness (is that a word?).  if a person is "green," they are naive
or innocent - a saying (as someone else suggested).  people have a
tendency to sit on their asses - the point of the entire song (imho) is to
urge all of us to get out, roll up our sleeves, and help out.  we have
been sitting up in an ivory tower to long (even our "sweat smells
clean").  i agree that the white has to do with purity and cleanliness -
only to an extent that makes it bad.  i believe she's trying to say that
we shouldn't be afraid to "get dirty," in fact, we need to.  well, i
guess that's about all for my little speech today.  not as well put as i
would have liked, but i hope y'all understand.
and, btw, i still am partial to iggies!!!! :)
jenn
jlk299s@nic.smsu.edu
=========================================================================
date:         tue, 24 oct 1995 19:50:04 -0700
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              moj <moj@crl.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         moj <moj@crl.com>
subject:      bugaboos (some igc)
x-to:         atlanta musicians <atlartists@aol.com>

hi all,

just talked to gerard (mchugh) and he asked that i pass this information
along...

he, melanie hammet and dave dault have joined forces to form "the
bugaboos" - a children's music group.  they are planning to release their
second tape at the end of november, which will follow a "wilderness theme"
and features guest vocalist emily saliers on one of the tracks.  their
first tape, from last year, is also still available, and both tapes will
be made available through the daemon newsletter.

the dates for their "preschool tour" have not yet been confirmed *giggle*
j/k! :)

peace,
stacie
              ,------------------------------------------------------------.
\|/ ____ \|/ | moj's plan: to keep creating web pages and ftp sites until |
  @~/ ,. \~@  |             i exceed my allotted disk space :)             |
/_( \__/ )_\ _)-----------------------------------------------------------'
    \__u_/                    e-mail: moj@crl.com

  house o' moj:               http://www.crl.com/~moj/
  adoption options:           http://www.crl.com/~moj/adoption/adoption.html
  fruitopian life:            http://www.crl.com/~moj/fruitopia/fruit.html
  melrose space:              http://www.crl.com/~moj/melrose/mp.html
  wondervan:                  http://www.america.net/~wndrgirl/
  main ftp directory:         ftp.crl.com /users/mo/moj
  indie chords & tabs:        /music/(city)/(artist_name)
  atlartists list archives:   /lists/atlartists
  moj's bootlists:            /bootlegs
=========================================================================
date:         wed, 25 oct 1995 00:02:07 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              betsy macmillan <macmilla@winnie.fit.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         betsy macmillan <macmilla@winnie.fit.edu>
subject:      re: bugaboos (some igc)
x-to:         moj <moj@crl.com>
in-reply-to:  <199510250250.aa02429@crl9.crl.com>

> just talked to gerard (mchugh) and he asked that i pass this information
> along...

whoa, prostrate to moj!

> he, melanie hammet and dave dault have joined forces to form "the
> bugaboos" - a children's music group.  they are planning to release their
> second tape at the end of november, which will follow a "wilderness theme"
> and features guest vocalist emily saliers on one of the tracks.  their
> first tape, from last year, is also still available, and both tapes will
> be made available through the daemon newsletter.

cool!  my nieces are almost 4 years and the other 16 months.  they will love
it!  how do i get in contact with the daemon newsletter?

> the dates for their "preschool tour" have not yet been confirmed *giggle*
> j/k! :)

too funny :)

keep us updated please !

betsy
=========================================================================
date:         wed, 25 oct 1995 00:56:13 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              gre1440@aol.com
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         gre1440@aol.com
subject:      re: kristen hall atlanta concert

hi pam!

they regularly have early shows (7 p.m.) at eddie's attic that are all-ages,
no-smoking, shows.  maybe kristen is doing an early show on the 28th.

hope this helps!
=========================================================================
date:         wed, 25 oct 1995 01:15:47 -0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              water <water@mindspring.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         water <water@mindspring.com>
subject:      bugaboos

yeah, i've seen the bugaboos play, at atlanta pride.. they rock! when i was
teaching 4 year olds their tape was the kid's *favorite* esp, the train
song.    melanie hammet has 1 'adult' tape: crosses, vows and blue suede
shoes, and 1 'adult' cd: i dream wild horses, i've got both, and they are
both excellent!  i've got gerard mchugh's yard sale, which i love-- check
out "emily's rainbow", and dave dault, who plays with the bugaboos, has an
'adult' tape out, and plays around atlanta :))  all 3 are excellent
musicians and should be applauded for what they are doing for kids music in
atlanta!
_________________________________________________________________


    "...each step into the gray , muffling fog took us further from annapura
(1), form vera and allison.  each step brought us closer to the reality that
they were not  coming with us."
                            -arlene bloom
                                from: annapurna: a woman's place.
=========================================================================
date:         wed, 25 oct 1995 08:31:18 gmt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              mr neil hunt <ph21nh@surrey.ac.uk>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         mr neil hunt <ph21nh@surrey.ac.uk>
subject:      12cc..again...kinda...

hey :)

cool, the new album's been out all of two weeks and already discussion's
moved on...y'know i look forward to going through my mail and tallying up the
different names people want to call me...
i can deal with being a girlie. i can deal with being anything. deadheads are
called deadheads 'cause it's obvious (although i wonder what fans of phillip
k dick are called...) but ig-heads or anything else doesn't work. nope. no way
thankyou.

anyawy. question proper. was 12cc released on vinyl?? kinda like to have the
feeling of a chunky three record set in my hands, with full sized pictures and
maybe a poster or two...

question two. or something...i really, really _need_ to have tapes of nov '94
uk shows, and/or the detroit and cmu april '95 shows...i'm even convinced that
somewhere there must exist a pro-ish video of the detroit gig...please. help
me. i'm good.

@}--,-'---

  |\/\/\/| neil hunt :)        'and he calls her the chocolate girl,
  |      |  wey 2/06             cause he thinks she melts when he touches her.
  |      |   surrey court         and she knows she's the chocolate girl,
  | (o)(o)    university of surrey cause she's broken up and swallowed,
  c      _)  guildford              and wrapped in bits of silver...'
  |   __|   surrey                   @}--,--'---
  |   /    gu2 5xh                   'i was only lyin'
/____\   england                      that's what liers do...'
/      \ +44 (0)1483 259393 ex. 4972    @}--,--'---
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date:         wed, 25 oct 1995 09:31:45 +0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              ddavies5@ford.com
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "david j. davies" <ddavies5@ford.com>
subject:      what's in name?

it's close enough to halloween for this lurker to pop out from behind
his tree and ask a question. ready? what is the significance of the '1200'
as in '1200 curfews'? is it a time (twelve o'clock)? is it a number (1200
shows on the road)? i'm hoping some fortunate-chicken-head-iggie-go-girlie
knows the answer.

moo, y'all!

-dave
=========================================================================
date:         wed, 25 oct 1995 09:03:46 est
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              kapage <kapage@iusmail.ius.indiana.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         kapage <kapage@iusmail.ius.indiana.edu>
subject:      re[2]: bury my heart on the baseball diamond

          i just have to reply to all this talk about the teams names!
          it seems to me that with this new pc outlook, everyone can
          be offended by everything and no one should say anything for
          fear of offending someone.  is that about right?  i get
          offended when guys use those not-so -nice words when
          disgussing the female anatomy, but i don't let it consume my
          life.  if they are that ignorant to the feelings and respect
          of others, then they're really not worth worrying over.  am
          i right?  i feel like with everything people are saying
          against other groups of people that i'm "serving time for
          mistakes made by another".    that's my thooughts.
                                    kimberly
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date:         wed, 25 oct 1995 09:07:23 est
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              kapage <kapage@iusmail.ius.indiana.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         kapage <kapage@iusmail.ius.indiana.edu>
subject:      re: ig fans

          ooooooh! "fortunate ones"!  i like that!  that's my vote!
                                   kimberly
=========================================================================
date:         wed, 25 oct 1995 09:14:47 est
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              kapage <kapage@iusmail.ius.indiana.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         kapage <kapage@iusmail.ius.indiana.edu>
subject:      re[2]: native protest, response to neily

           i just read bert's message, and he makes some really good
          points.  i am not native american, but i can completely
          understand why they would find this whole baseball thing
          offensive!  i for one, have never cared for the braves
          chant.      kimberly
=========================================================================
date:         wed, 25 oct 1995 07:26:52 pdt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              ron johnson <ronjohns@microsoft.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         ron johnson <ronjohns@microsoft.com>
subject:      re: just what the heck are we?

why not be called a girlie?  women have had to but up with the man/men
suffix for all eternity.  who knows, being "sensitive" enough to take a
title like being a "girlie" might just be what you want.  it's an
association not an orientation.  i'm not going to sweat it.  :-)

peace to you all-
ron
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from:  <mschlofner@aol.com>
to: multiple recipients of list indigo-girls  <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
subject: just what the heck are we?
date: tuesday, october 24, 1995 8:53pm

just to say something about who are we on the list.  i agree that it needs to
be something original; however, speaking as a sensitive male (tee-hee), do i
have to announce to people that i m a girlie?  please, i have enough trouble
getting a date. :-)

i don't have any ideas, but maybe i'll think of something.

peace.

matt
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date:         wed, 25 oct 1995 09:39:57 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              andrew vogel <vogelap@ucunix.san.uc.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         andrew vogel <vogelap@ucunix.san.uc.edu>
subject:      re: 12cc
x-to:         "michelle m. elliott" <melliott@student.uwsuper.edu>
in-reply-to:  <13061600cc@student.uwsuper.edu>

on tue, 24 oct 1995, michelle m. elliott wrote:

> another place where i have this same "who is singing that?" question
> is on the line "the bullets don't match the gun"  in bmhawk.  on the
> live version it sounds like amy, on the studio version it sounds
> (imho) like emily.  what do you folks think??
>
i agree with you 100%.

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date:         wed, 25 oct 1995 08:14:19 -0700
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              kimberly nalder <klnalder@ucdavis.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         kimberly nalder <klnalder@ucdavis.edu>
subject:      re: lyric interpretation?
x-to:         lorinda wright <lw01@lehigh.edu>
in-reply-to:  <199510242220.saa98979@ns4-1.cc.lehigh.edu>

i think that "looking behind my ears for the green"  is a combination of
the traditional "wet behind the ears" concept, and the common reference
to beginners as being "green".

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(916)752-7106         the full range is ours." - terry tempest williams
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date:         wed, 25 oct 1995 11:23:25 edt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              "christopher m. becker" <cmbecker@space.mit.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "christopher m. becker" <cmbecker@space.mit.edu>
subject:      re: bugaboos (some igc)
in-reply-to:  <199510250250.aa02429@crl9.crl.com>; from "moj" at oct 24,
              95 7:50 pm

> the dates for their "preschool tour" have not yet been confirmed *giggle*
> j/k! :)

hmmm... i wonder how well those fischer-price tape recoreders are for
booting shows! ;)

                                -- chris

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date:         wed, 25 oct 1995 15:58:00 gmt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              mr g hewitt <gh18798@ggr.co.uk>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         mr g hewitt <gh18798@ggr.co.uk>
subject:      re: what's in name?
x-to:         ddavies5@ford.com
x-cc:         ddavies5@ford.com

1200 refers to the number of gigs the girls have done according to the
press release on the sony page.

adios

gag
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date:         wed, 25 oct 1995 11:26:01 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              indigosgtr@aol.com
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         nikki nahra <indigosgtr@aol.com>
subject:      (nigc)  question

has anyone else not gotten any mail from this newsgroup lately?  i've only
gotten private mail for the past 2 weeks, and i'm wondering if my
subscription somehow got cancelled.  i'd really appreciate it if some people
would respond to this post privately (so i can be sure to get it).  i'd
rather get too many messages about this rather than none, so i can figure
this out.  sorry about the nigc...hope you understand.  thanx.
-nikki
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date:         wed, 25 oct 1995 12:26:57 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              michael reynolds <asl@gandalf.umcs.maine.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         michael reynolds <asl@gandalf.umcs.maine.edu>
subject:      eugene was small compared to....
in-reply-to:  <pine.ult.3.91.951023163901.15375a-100000@fozzie.cc.wwu.edu> from
              "tricia" at oct 23, 95 04:45:41 pm

highgate vermont this summer
est. 150 thousand for crowd, infact they couldn't process tixs fast enough
(60000 were sold) and dylan was opening so toward the end of his set they
just opened the gates, and all heck broke loose. it is a strange site seeing
that many people running towards you (i was right at the stage during dylan)
and my anxiety totally kicked in..thank god i wasn't tripping or stoned.
(just would have made anxiety worse) but i just wish i could have been
that close to j. michael stipe when i saw rem the next 3 days....
mike r.
igc: they do dylan and dead covers
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date:         wed, 25 oct 1995 11:05:07 -0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              "anne,
              goddess of hard working undergrads" <astevens@smith.smith.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "anne,
              goddess of hard working undergrads" <astevens@smith.smith.edu>
subject:      re: one thumbs down on girlies.

er... i'm a woman, and i must say that calling myself a 'girlie' is a bit of a
let-down after all the women's education i had here at smith and at my
all-women's highschool. i have to agree with the thumbs down for that name...
i'm leaning a bit towards the 'fortunate ones' and 'specks of dust' ideas,
myself.

my fem. two-cents
-anne
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   'it's wonderful to        anne elizabeth stevens       'the roots of
      be a little         smith college undergraduate   education are bitter,
  different, isn't it?'           class of 1998        but the fruit is sweet.'
      -gordon b. hinkley     astevens@angel.smith.edu         -aristotle

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date:         wed, 25 oct 1995 12:45:08 edt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              lorinda wright <lw01@lehigh.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         lorinda wright <lw01@lehigh.edu>
subject:      bits of green

hey all you enlightened chicken girlie go go girlie whirly-heads!
(boy am i having fun with this!)

on the hammer and a nail lyric interpretations. first i want to thank everyone
who responded to my question. in summary, we have:
from kira:
green as in horse terms meaning young, and unbroken. (i like this one if only
because i'm "horse-y" too.)

from kimberly:
it's a combination of the idea of green being "new" and the saying "wet behind
the ears"

from jamie:
green as in recycling

from jenn:
green as in "green thumb"  or as in mold. (i'm thinking "rolling stone gathers
no moss" here.)

hmmmm, food for thought. (<- oh look, another cliche!) i like all these ideas.
i think they're all valid interpretations, and i think they're all pretty
close to saying the same thing, if you can follow _that_ reasoning at all. (i
wonder how hard emily would be laughing right now.)

folkisgruven,
lorindigo
(who just found twinkle twinkle little star in world falls on 1200 this
morning. hot diggity! what an amazing woman she is!)

iwillnotbecomplacentiwillnotbecomplacentiwillnotbecomplacentiwillnotbecomplac
w                                                                           e
i lorinda wright           "learn to pretend there's more than love that    n
l lw01@lehigh.edu           matters. -e.s.                                  t
l lehigh university                                                         i
n bethlehem, pa                                                             w
o                        "a ghost of comfort, angel's breath to keep this   i
t                         life inside my chest." -a.r.                      l
b                                                                           l
e      "a thousand guitar strings - amy ; two guitar strings - emily        n
c                                                                           o
omplacentiwillnotbecomplacentiwillnotbecomplacentiwillnotbecomplacentiwillnot
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date:         wed, 25 oct 1995 12:30:05 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              shampine@ll.mit.edu
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         shampine@ll.mit.edu
subject:      complicity (nigc!!!!!!!!!)

>          it seems to me that with this new pc outlook, everyone can
>          be offended by everything and no one should say anything for
>          fear of offending someone.  is that about right?  i get

no...where did you get that definition?  rush limbaugh perhaps?  we're not
talking about things that merely annoy other people...we're talking about
the perpetuation of stereotypes and attitudes which effect individuals,
groups of individuals, and our society as a whole in a very detrimental
way...both materially and spiritually.

>          offended when guys use those not-so -nice words when
>          disgussing the female anatomy, but i don't let it consume my
>          life.  if they are that ignorant to the feelings and respect
>          of others, then they're really not worth worrying over.  am
>          i right?  i feel like with everything people are saying

no...silence really is the voice of complicity...and if you think you can separate
symbolic acts of disrespect (like calling someone a nigger or a cunt) from the larger
social effects (like the rodney king case and sexual harrassment in the workplace)
...well think again and speak your mind...

lauree shampine
shampine@ll.mit.edu
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date:         wed, 25 oct 1995 13:09:12 edt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              rickfstr@vnet.ibm.com
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         rickfstr@vnet.ibm.com
subject:      nigc: seeking guitar advice

*** reply to note of 10/13/95 18:39
from: rick foster
subject: nigc: seeking guitar advice

hi. i'm going to buy a guitar in the next month or so and take
lessons so i can play ig songs (and all my other favorite acoustic
guitar artists' songs).

i'd love it if you guitar players out there could suggest a good quality
guitar to start with.  june had suggested that fender makes a good
one for about $300, but i don't know the model number.  i talked to
someone in a music store last weekend and he suggested a yamaha f-310
which was $229.

for those in the sf bay area, i'd also appreciate it if you have
suggestions on specific places to buy, and on specific teachers. i
work in palo alto and live right near sf.  i'd also be willing to go
over to berkeley for lessons.

thanks in advance for all your knowledge!

rick

------------------------------------------------------
"who loves us? nobody!"               -- emily saliers
"there's a lot of love in this room!" -- jerry marotta
"alright!"                            -- amy ray
"<smooch>"                            -- ??

---------------------------------------------------------------
rick foster, issc, palo alto california, 415-855-4390 (t/l 465)
         rickfstr@vnet.ibm.com <or> rfoster0 at bldvma
---------------------------------------------------------------
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date:         wed, 25 oct 1995 13:17:10 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              strangefire <mccranie@ewirb-wr.robins.af.mil>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         strangefire <mccranie@ewirb-wr.robins.af.mil>
subject:      re: (nigc)  question

got your post on the ig list...hope you get your subscription
corrected...i've been kicked off tons of times!
-sherry
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date:         wed, 25 oct 1995 11:10:04 -0700
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              "amy j. putnam" <pegasus@crl.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "amy j. putnam" <pegasus@crl.com>
subject:      rdr news..

parry has asked me to let you know about some new stuff inside
the walls of rdr.

michelle malone has dropped off a very limited number of an
authorized bootleg cassette called "strange bird: the authorized
bootleg '95".  some of it is apparently live and some studio.  solo
recording.

tracks:

strange side:  i am a frog, middle of my soul, just alone, proud soul
blues, woman on the floor, snakeskin, strange bird, and troubled child

bird side:  moanin' sins, 32 seconds, seventh symphony, goldmind,
california, tanya tucker

they are signed and numbered, and hand done all by michelle.  they
cost $35 each, including shipping.

you can order direct from michelle by writing to:

        band de soleil
        box 3092
        decatur, ga 30031-3092

money orders only if you go that route

you can also order directly from perry, at the same price (again
including shipping) and he takes all forms of payment.

rdr is agian at 1-800-636-6166, or rainy@mindspring.com

amy p.                          /       who holds your hand
pegasus@crl.com                /        when you're alone
                              /
the original photo monk      /                  --patty larkin
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date:         wed, 25 oct 1995 14:13:00 edt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              sheri stanley <sstanley@infinet.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         sheri stanley <sstanley@infinet.com>
subject:      re: nigc: seeking guitar advice
x-to:         rickfstr@vnet.ibm.com

>i'd love it if you guitar players out there could suggest a good quality
>guitar to start with.  june had suggested that fender makes a good
>one for about $300, but i don't know the model number.  i talked to
>someone in a music store last weekend and he suggested a yamaha f-310
>which was $229.

>rick..

  martin makes a really nice, reasonably priced guitar under the name sigma.

-sheri


a room without books
is a body without a soul
                -cicero
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date:         wed, 25 oct 1995 14:37:41 edt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              mary clark <mryclrk@eden.rutgers.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         mary clark <mryclrk@eden.rutgers.edu>
subject:      re: complicity (nigc!!!!!!!!!)
x-to:         shampine@ll.mit.edu
in-reply-to:  your message of wed, 25 oct 1995 12:30:05 -0400

i agree that silence is complicity, but how can you deny that the pc is way
outta control?  there are tons of people spearheading "movements" that they
know nothing about for people they've never met so they can allay their
historical sense of guilt.it gives all activism a bad name.  now instead of
having blatently ignorant people walking around and acting obviously racist
and sexist, we have people who have been taught "multiculturalism", which
teaches them little about interacting with different people but a whole lot
about hiding their racist feelings.  talk about recipes for disaster...
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date:         wed, 25 oct 1995 18:48:57 +0100
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              mts5@aber.ac.uk
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         matthew joseph smith <mts5@aber.ac.uk>
subject:      re: nigc: seeking guitar advice
x-to:         rickfstr@vnet.ibm.com

you could try seagull (by robert godin), a really good canadian make.   over
here they're about =a3279 (about $350) but in america that's probably offset
by the lack of import/transport costs.   try them.

mat
mts5@aber.ac.uk

>*** reply to note of 10/13/95 18:39
>from: rick foster
>subject: nigc: seeking guitar advice
>
>hi. i'm going to buy a guitar in the next month or so and take
>lessons so i can play ig songs (and all my other favorite acoustic
>guitar artists' songs).
>
>i'd love it if you guitar players out there could suggest a good quality
>guitar to start with.  june had suggested that fender makes a good
>one for about $300, but i don't know the model number.  i talked to
>someone in a music store last weekend and he suggested a yamaha f-310
>which was $229.
>
>for those in the sf bay area, i'd also appreciate it if you have
>suggestions on specific places to buy, and on specific teachers. i
>work in palo alto and live right near sf.  i'd also be willing to go
>over to berkeley for lessons.
>
>thanks in advance for all your knowledge!
>
>rick
>
>------------------------------------------------------
>"who loves us? nobody!"               -- emily saliers
>"there's a lot of love in this room!" -- jerry marotta
>"alright!"                            -- amy ray
>"<smooch>"                            -- ??
>
>---------------------------------------------------------------
>rick foster, issc, palo alto california, 415-855-4390 (t/l 465)
>         rickfstr@vnet.ibm.com <or> rfoster0 at bldvma
>---------------------------------------------------------------
>
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date:         wed, 25 oct 1995 15:06:52 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              shampine@ll.mit.edu
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         shampine@ll.mit.edu
subject:      excuse my french (nigc!!!!!!!)

>i agree that silence is complicity, but how can you deny that the pc is way
>outta control?  there are tons of people spearheading "movements" that they
>know nothing about for people they've never met so they can allay their
>historical sense of guilt.it gives all activism a bad name.  now instead of

bullshit!  excuse my french...but i am so sick of that backlash mentality.
i must say, the reactionary political and social elements in this country
have done a remarkable job of putting a negative spin on a term which really
suggests the effort on the part of people to see things from another person's
point of view.

so what?  so we shouldn't speak too loudly about what we perceive to be
prejudice and injustice because people might take notice and put us in our
place?  this culture has been telling women and minorities for years that
their perceptions...their perspectives on things...don't matter to the point
where the things they find demeaning and offensive are considered mainstream
popular american culture.

i will agree that the best kind of activism is an informed activism...but
then that's kind of stating the obvious...and it's what conscious-raising
is all about after all...it is an evolutionary process...

lauree shampine
shampine@ll.mit.edu

question:  is leonard peltier innocent just because the indigo girls say he is?
answer:    of course not...but maybe if they raise the issue and state their opinion,
           it might get other people thinking about the issue and its implications
           for themselves.
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date:         wed, 25 oct 1995 15:28:00 edt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              sheri stanley <sstanley@infinet.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         sheri stanley <sstanley@infinet.com>
subject:      a note for guitarists

i have downloaded all the indigo girls' guitar chord/tab files from olga
(on-line guitar archive). i believe there is every song ever done by the
indigo girls, whether original or cover. the majority of files were done by
adam schneider, who btw, does a wonderful job with the chords, etc. (he also
has an excellent home page if you get the chance to visit). i am willing to
send any song(s) to people via private email so the mailing list doesn't get
bogged down. just drop me a line. if i get a lot of requests, just be
patient...i'll send them as i have the time.

i am offering to do this because i know some people, for whatever reason(s),
don't have access to the web site. i am not offering to do this to prevent
people from having to buy the songbooks. i think anyone who wants the music
should buy the songbooks...obvious copyright issues aside, they usually come
with great photos. i personally believe that most/all guitarists here (and
even non-guitarists) who want the music, photos, etc.  will ultimately buy
the books....at least i hope that is the case.


-sheri

a room without books
is a body without a soul
                -cicero
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date:         wed, 25 oct 1995 15:47:34 edt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              lorinda wright <lw01@lehigh.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         lorinda wright <lw01@lehigh.edu>
subject:      more lyric interp.

ok all you fortunate girlie chickenwings i mean heads,
i've been thinking about the song touch me fall for a long time now. pretty
weird song, no? couldn't for the life of me figure what it was all about, and
then it hit me. it's about hair. that's it. just hair. (or lack thereof). so
you see, amy's really just a completely shallow person. she writes this whole
supposedly deep meaningful song about her own hair. here, i'll interpret for
you.
(the first two lines don't fit in with my interpretation, so i'll ignore them.)
"all the sounds i've missed all the years"
    -well you see, this is because her hair was so long it covered her ears,
    and she couldn't hear.
(blah blah blah, stains and weddings and fears we'll ignore this part too.)
"touch me i'm so beautiful (cuz i'm bald), rub your hands across my head (my
bald head) just like this."
"come with me it's not worth it if you don't"
    -she wants someone else to shave their head too. (if i'm bald, you have to
    be bald too! *pout*)
"are you hiding, i am hiding"
    -cuz they're bald
"cypress moon bald in june like granite in a stream"
    -no interpretation necessary
(stuff about drowning and swamp ophelia ommitted)
"are you crying, i am crying"
    -cuz our hair is growing back
(stuff about jumping and stumbling and falling ommitted)
"i'm trying to hold it like rain in a river. everything is getting bigger"
    -change "bigger" to "longer" and it's about her hair growing back even tho
    she doesn't want it to.
"this won't last forever touch me fall"
    -she's saying "hurry up and do that rubbing-my-head-thing cuz i won't stay
    bald forever."

so you see, amy's really just a shallow person obsessed with the fact that she
cut her hair off. maybe if we look at it we'll discover that hammer and a nail
is really about nail polish, or that joking is really about "truly tasteless"
joke books, or that chickenman is really about kfc. sheesh! and we thought
these women were profound!

folkisgruven y'all,
lorindigo
(with tongue firmly in cheek as she dons her flame-retardant suit.)

iwillnotbecomplacentiwillnotbecomplacentiwillnotbecomplacentiwillnotbecomplac
w                                                                           e
i lorinda wright           "learn to pretend there's more than love that    n
l lw01@lehigh.edu           matters. -e.s.                                  t
l lehigh university                                                         i
n bethlehem, pa                                                             w
o                        "a ghost of comfort, angel's breath to keep this   i
t                         life inside my chest." -a.r.                      l
b                                                                           l
e      "a thousand guitar strings - amy ; two guitar strings - emily        n
c                                                                           o
omplacentiwillnotbecomplacentiwillnotbecomplacentiwillnotbecomplacentiwillnot
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date:         wed, 25 oct 1995 12:50:49 -0700
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              "scott r. learned" <learnesr@whitman.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "scott r. learned" <learnesr@whitman.edu>
subject:      re: a note for guitarists
in-reply-to:  <m0t8bv0-000kfgc@mail.infinet.com>

acutually, not all the charts are included.  i know that power of two (my
favorite indigo girls song) is not there and i would imagine that others
are missing too.  i guess we will have to buy the songbook, eh?

scott

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walla walla, wa 99362          boise, id 83702
(509) 527-5689                 (208) 345-4885
hello from walla walla!!!
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date:         wed, 25 oct 1995 14:48:45 cst6cddt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              "michelle m. elliott" <melliott@student.uwsuper.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "michelle m. elliott" <melliott@student.uwsuper.edu>
organization: uw-superior
subject:      cd's for sale (only one ig) (limited igc)

hello folks,

i am selling the below listed cds for $5 each (except for the
watershed cd) and that price includes shipping.  i just feel the need
to get rid of some of the stuff i have.  they are all in good shape
and i will give you a refund if you are unhappy with their quality.

this is not an auction.  the first person who tells me they want the
cd gets it.

indigo girls--watershed single (includes studio track, live version of
watershed and all along the watchtower.   ($10.00 for this cd only)

$5 each/includes shipping:

kate bush--the sensual world
shawn colvin--cover girl
melissa etheridge--brave and crazy
melissa etheridge--yes i am
nanci griffith--flyer
nanci griffith--other voices, other rooms
rickie lee jones--traffic from paradise
k.d. lang--ingenue
k.d. lang--even cowgirls get the blues soundtrack
annie lennox--diva
sinead o'connor--i do not want what i haven't got
u2--achtung baby (digipak)
10,000 maniacs--blind man's zoo
philedelphia soundtrack

please post to me privately regarding the cd's.  i will not be
posting again to the main list.

thanks for your time everyone!  hope you are all having a great day!

michelle
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date:         wed, 25 oct 1995 16:20:11 edt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              "anna l. creech" <creechal@cc.emu.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "anna l. creech" <creechal@cc.emu.edu>
organization: eastern mennonite university
subject:      (fwd) check this out/ sign your name by typing forward/n

------- forwarded message follows -------
from:          "al, the smallmouth bass" <cc/bennerjc>
organization:  eastern mennonite university
to:            hilemang, creechal, ehstcd
date:          wed, 25 oct 1995 15:13:02 edt
subject:       (fwd) check this out/ sign your name by typing forward/nohead/

------- forwarded message follows -------
date:          tue, 24 oct 1995 13:33:07 -0500 (est)
from:          elizabetcm@cedar.goshen.edu
to:            bennerjc@cc.emu.edu, racheleh@cedar.goshen.edu
subject:       check this out/ sign your name by typing forward/nohead/edit

from:   cedar::stevenpm     24-oct-1995 13:25:23.78
to:     elizabetcm
cc:
subj:   ljk

from:   smtp%"sxp207@psu.edu" 23-oct-1995 11:48:14.94
to:     zachjl
cc:
subj:   interesting list

message-id: <199510231648.maa29172@r02n08.cac.psu.edu>
x-sender: sxp207@email.psu.edu
mime-version: 1.0
content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
date: mon, 23 oct 1995 12:48:06 -0400
to: zachjl@cedar.goshen.edu
from: sxp207@psu.edu (suartcha prueksaritanond (sue))
subject: interesting list

>x-sender: cxp273@email.psu.edu
>x-mailer: windows eudora version 1.4.3
>mime-version: 1.0
>date: fri, 20 oct 1995 20:00:24 -0400
>to: sxp207@psu.edu
>from: cxp273@psu.edu (heather pan)
>subject: some politics, huh?
>
>>x-sender: kkb111@email.psu.edu
>>date: fri, 20 oct 1995 17:30:42 -0400
>>x-ph: v4.1@r02n08
>>to: f.bryan.bergert@dartmouth.edu, lkwright@aol.com, chillout@owlnet.rice.edu,
>>        exc121@psu.edu, xmidn@udel.edu, vnt102@psu.edu, jsm179@psu.edu,
>>        cxp273@psu.edu
>>from: kkb111@psu.edu (kitty k. bergert)
>>subject: some politics, huh?
>>
>>>x-sender: axm149@email.cac.psu.edu
>>>x-mailer: windows eudora version 1.4.4
>>>mime-version: 1.0
>>>date: wed, 18 oct 1995 23:39:46 -0400
>>>to: kkb111@psu.edu
>>>from: axm149@psu.edu (alexander v machevsky)
>>>subject: some politics, huh?
>>>
>>> ann andries <ann.andries@rug.ac.be>, aravind <0007561290@mcimail.com>,
>>>        bart vermeulen <b.a.g.vermeulen@let.rug.nl>,
>>>        damien joguet <damien.joguet@supelec-rennes.fr>,
>>>        daniel etschmann <etschman@iwb.mw.tu-muenchen.de>,
>>>        dominic stucker <dstucker@simons-rock.edu>,
>>>        duc n luu <duc@minerva.cis.yale.edu>,
>>>        guy maytal <gmaytal@husc.harvard.edu>,
>>>        jasmeer chhatwal <jchhatwa@minerva.cis.yale.edu>,
>>>        lex raymakers <raymakers_lex/alitcb_85@belgium.hp.com>,
>>>        lieve dekeyser <lieve.dekeyser@rug.ac.be>,
>>>        mariana aguirre <maguirre@cc.brynmawr.edu>,
>>>        mickey rapkin <grdt01b@prodigy.com>, nadim kara <nadim@unixg.ubc.ca>,
>>>        peter kujath <uf204ae@sunmail.lrz-muenchen.de>,
>>>        philipp kreuzer <u3731ad@sunmail.lrz-muenchen.de>,
>>>        robert i schlaff <schlaff@minerva.cis.yale.edu>,
>>>        steven shapiro <shapiros@mordor.stuy.edu>,
>>>        shari sklar <ss7795@cnsvax.albany.edu>
>>>subject: french nuclear testing (fwd)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>  ****************** memo     stop nuc tests ****************
>>>>  ola pessoal.
>>>>  este documento trata de uma peticao que sera enviada ao governo frances
>>>>  em protesto contra os testes nucleares.se voce quer participar inclua seu
>>>>  nome no final da lista numerada e depois envie este memo para os seus ami=
>>>>
>>>>  just add your name to the end of this numbered list and forward on to as
>>>>  many people as possible.  (do not reply to sender )
>>>
>>>    aux camarades d'etude,
>>>        veuillez ajouter vos noms a la fin de cette liste; quelqu'un doit
>>>dire, non.  si pas nous, qui???
>>>
>>>>>  subject: stop (french) nuclear tests
>>>>
>>>  1  shimizu seishi     physics,university of tokyo,japan
>>>>  2  yuichi nishihara   physics,university of tokyo,japan
>>>>  3  hirohisa taniguchi physics,university of tokyo,japan
>>>>  4  takashi tomoeda    physics,university of tokyo,japan
>>>>  5  tomoki kobayashi   physics,university of tokyo,japan
>>>>  6  munehito arai      physics,university of tokyo,japan
>>>>  7  akira okazaki      physics,university of tokyo,japan
>>>>  8  a 8  atsushi matsumura  physics, tohoku university, japan
>>>>  9  kouta yamamoto     chemistry,tohoku university,japan
>>>>  10 yasushi ujioka      degremont s.a., france
>>>>  11 toru hara           universite de paris sud, france
>>>>  12 rene bakker         cea - sacley, france
>>>>  13 david garzella      universite de paris sud, france
>>>>  14 henk blok           vrije universiteit/nikhef, amsterdam
>>>>  15 igor passchier      nikhef, amsterdam
>>>>  16 ard van sighem      nikhef, amsterdam
>>>>  17 johan noordhoek     kol leiden
>>>>  18 c.m.c.m. van woerkens, kamerlingh onnes laboratory, leiden
>>>>  19 annemarie borst,    vrije universiteit amsterdam
>>>>  20 gijs nelemans       universiteit utrecht
>>>>  21 susanne buiter      universiteit utrecht
>>>>  22 yvo kok             paleomagnetic lab., utrecht
>>>>  23 thom pick           paleomagnetic lab., utrecht university
>>>>  24 dagmar olbertz      universiteit utrecht
>>>>  25 eleonore stutzmann  institut de physique du globe de paris, france
>>>>  26 nicole girardin     institut de physique du globe de paris, france
>>>>  27 francois girardin   ecole nat. sup. des telecommunications,france
>>>>  28 j.-p. chaboureau    lab. meteorologie dynamique,france
>>>>  29 f. cheruy           lab. meteorologie dynamique, france
>>>>  30 g.l.liberti         lab. modelisation climat et environnement, cea,
>>>>  france
>>>>  31 david stephenson    centre europeen de recherche et formation avancee
>>>>en
>>>>  calcul scientifique, toulouse, france
>>>>  32 dr. ralph p. sobek  centre europeen de recherche et formation avancee
>>>>en
>>>>  calcul scientifique, toulouse, france
>>>>  33 marc vaisset        laas, toulouse, france
>>>>  34 jerome perret       laas, toulouse, france
>>>>  35 michael kaiser      comp.sci./robotics, university of karlsruhe,
>>>>germany
>>>>  36 volker klingspor    universitaet dortmund, germany
>>>>  37 peer kuchenmeister  universitaet bonn, germany
>>>>  38 carsten dorgerloh   universitaet bonn, germany
>>>>  39 andrea kuth         gmd sankt augustin, germany
>>>>  40 guido pfeiffer      gmd sankt augustin, germany
>>>>  41 christoph dahmen    gmd sankt augustin, germany
>>>>  42 dr. holger veit     gmd sankt augustin, germany
>>>>  43 dr. gernot richter  gmd sankt augustin, germany
>>>>  44 manfred domke       gmd sankt augustin, germany
>>>>  45 josef boerding      gmd sankt augustin, germany
>>>>  46 dr. werner emde     gmd sankt augustin, germany
>>>>  47 edgar sommer        gmd sankt augustin, germany
>>>>  48 hans guesgen        university of auckland, new zealand
>>>>  49 julian harris       university of auckland, new zealand
>>>>  50 barry fenn          university of auckland, new zealand
>>>>  51 mary gardner        university of otago, new zealand
>>>>  52 roger booth         university of auckland, new zealand
>>>>  53 kevin ashbridge     university of tuebingen, germany
>>>>  54 peter l. nelson     psychology, west georgia college, u.s.a.
>>>>  55 nadine levick       emergency medicine, melbourne, australia
>>>>  56 michael harari      pediatrician, jerusalem, israel
>>>>  57 mike south          paediatrician, melbourne, australia
>>>>  58 ourania horaitis    molecular biologist melbourne australia
>>>>  59 jim stamatopoulos   telstra, australia
>>>>  60 arthur iliakopoulos telstra, australia
>>>>  61 joe giunta          telstra, australia
>>>>  62 tony milic          telstra, australia
>>>>  63 mark whitmore       tesltra, australia
>>>>  64 andrew mooren       tesltra, australia
>>>>  65 andrea milne        telstra, australia
>>>>  66 janice barry        telstra, australia
>>>>  67 lindsay mcguire     telstra, australia
>>>>  68 ken dadsey          telstra, australia
>>>>  69 jan gibson          telstra, australia
>>>>  70 stuart riley        telstra, australia
>>>>  71 ben johnston        melbourne, australia
>>>>  72 manuel tito de morais, ericsson telecom, sweden
>>>>  73 =98sa lindman         ericsson telecom, sweden
>>>>  74 elisabeth svensson  ericsson telecom, sweden
>>>>  75 elisabeth lngheim  ericsson telecom, sweden
>>>>  76 hellen lindqvist    ericsson telecom, sweden
>>>>  77 =98sa neckam          ericsson telecom, sweden
>>>>  78 h=e2kan karlsson      ericsson telecom, sweden
>>>>  79 torbjrn hemmingsson, ericsson telecom, sweden
>>>>  80 lennart schnquist  ericsson telecom, sweden
>>>>  81 mikael enqvist, ericsson telecom, sweden
>>>>  82 maria luiza rezende, ericsson telecomunicacoes, brasil
>>>>  82 jose bergamin da silva  informat,brazil
>>>>  83 umberto miom pilotto ericsson telecomunicacoes, brasil
>>>>  84 andrea ribeiro de barros, ericsson telecomunica oes, brazil
>>>>  85 claudia regina de andrade, ericsson telecomunica oes, brazil
>>>>  86 adriano barbero, ericsson telecomunica oes, brazil
>>>>  87 agostinho shizuo odasaki, ericsson telecomunicacoes, brazil
>>>>  88 sandra vidal figueira, ericsson telecomunicacoes, brazil
>>>>  89 geraldo cesar zucareli reno, ericsson telecomunication, brazil
>>>>  90 jose clovis dos santos - ericsson telecomunication, brazil
>>>>  91 alvaro augusto simoes de oliveira - ericsson sist. energia, brazil
>>>>  92 jose carlos dos reis- ericsson sistemas de energia - brazil
>>>>  93 tiago veloso - ericsson telecommunications, brazil
>>>>  94 erivelto barros - ericsson telecommunications, brazil
>>>>  95 jose  roberto diogo - ericsson telecomunications, brazil
>>>>  96 marco antonio souza chagas-ericsson telecomunications, brazil
>>>>  97 waldir bueno da fonseca - ericsson telecomunications, brasil
>>>>  98 paulo henrique moraes - ericsson telecomunications, brasil
>>>>  99 marcos henrique teixeira - ericsson telecomunications, brazil
>>>>  100 jose sidnei de oliveira - ericsson telecomunications, brazil
>>>>  101 alexandre rodrigues simoes - ericsson telecomunications, brazil
>>>>  102 rita maria da silva - ericsson telecomunications, brazil
>>>>  103 liana maria moraes oliveira - epec s.a., brazil
>>>>  104 adriana catanho de meneses - ericsson telecomunications, brasil
>>>>  105 ma. guadalupe gamez montes
>>>>  106 j.javier sosa quintero - ericsson radio system, mexico.
>>>>  107 ana cristina vasquez luna - ericsson de colombia.
>>>>  108 climaco camerano salcedo - ericsson de colombia.
>>>>  109 kari isomaa - ericsson telecom, sweden
>>>>  110 marc roman - ericsson telecom, rmu asia and pacific
>>>>  111 eva m=e2rtensson - ericsson telecom, rmu africa, latin america
>>>>  112 pia wall- ericsson telecom, rmu asia and pacific
>>>>  113 lena algotsson ericsson telecom, sweden
>>>>  114 patrik forslund ericsson communications inc., canada
>>>>  115 claes harvenberg ericsson communications inc., canada
>>>>  116 mark michell telstra, australia
>>>>  117 brendan hills, csiro division of information technology, australia
>>>>  118 marjorie bullard,    university of melbourne engineering, australia
>>>>  119 michael hylands,     university of british columbia, canada
>>>>  120 laura marciniwe,     queens university, canada
>>>>  121 christine burgess,   queens university, canada
>>>>  123 jennifer moustgaard, queens university, canada
>>>>  124 michelle lafleur,    university of guelph
>>>   125 cynthia j.benjamin,  university of ottawa, canada
>>>   126 lysandra marshall, mcgill university, canada
>>>   127 sylvia coleman     mcgill university, canada
>>>   128 glen gagen,        rotorua, new zealand
>>>   129 kathryn fox,       melbourne australia
>>>   130 nicki davies,      london, england
>>>   131 tara marshall,     mcgill university, canada
>>>   132 geraldine bown,    shepshed, england
>>>   133 kym shouldice,     mcgill univerisity
>>>   134 sophy yeung,       mcgill university, canada
>>>   135 florence aung,     university of alberta, canada
>>>   136 teresa sham,       university of b.c., canada
>>>   137 cynthia chan,      university of b.c., canada
>>>   138 victor kok,        university of b.c., canada
>>>   139 nadim kara,        university of b.c., canada
>>>   140 deanna nass,        yale university, u.s.a
>>>>  141 alexander machevsky,  penn state university, u.s.a.
>>    142 kitty bergert, penn state university--usa
>>>   143 suartcha prueksaritanond,   penn state university, u.s.a.
>>>   144 steven p. miller, goshen college, usa
>>>   145 elizabeth c. miller, goshen college, usa
>>>   146 zach j. landis, goshen college, usa
>>>   147 jason c. benner, eastern mennonite university, usa
>>>   148 anna l. creech, eastern mennonite university, usa
---------------------------------------
>>>>  this is a petition to urge the french government to stop nuclear tests. if
>>>>  you agree with us, please add your name to the list above, and send copies
>>>>  to your friends.  we will add up the lists that had come back to us, and
>>>>  send it to the french government.
>>>>
>>>>   ***  if you happen to be the hundredth,two hundredth, three hundredth,
>>>>and
>>>>  so on, on the list, please send a copy of the mail back to the addresses
>>>>  below, so that  we can keep track of this project. ***
>>>>
>>>>  if you have any comment please send mails to us.  and also, if you are
>>>>  multi-lingual and have friends who may not understand english, please
>>>>  translate this message and add it to the end of the mail. thank you very
>>>>  much.
>>>>
>>>>  addresses of the organizers
>>>>  shimizu=88femto.phys.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp
>>>>  keshi=88uticeaix1.icepp.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp       <- please use this address
>>>>  ****************** end of memo     stop nuc tests ****************
>>>
>>>> --
>>>>  brendan hills                                 software engineer
>>>>  csiro division of information technology      reception +61-03-9282-2666
>>>>  723 swanston street, carlton                  direct    +61-03-9282-2613
>>>>  victoria  3053  australia                     facsimile +61-03-9282-2600
>>>>
>>>
>>><----  end forwarded message  ---->
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

********
"there are two means of refuge from the miseries of life:
music and cats."       -albert schweitzer
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date:         wed, 25 oct 1995 15:21:45 -0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              "joye p. mcburnett" <jmcburne@origin.ea.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "joye p. mcburnett" <jmcburne@origin.ea.com>
subject:      re: cd's for sale (only one ig) (limited igc)
x-to:         "michelle m. elliott" <melliott@student.uwsuper.edu>

>indigo girls--watershed single (includes studio track, live version of
>watershed and all along the watchtower.   ($10.00 for this cd only)
>shawn colvin--cover girl


i'd really like the ig cd and the shawn colvin one if no one's claimed 'em.

=joye

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# joye price mcburnett                              jmcburne@origin.ea.com #
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date:         wed, 25 oct 1995 16:25:56 +1100
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              rebecca <pmrlm1@gannonlab.gannon.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         rebecca <pmrlm1@gannonlab.gannon.edu>
organization: gannon university
subject:      1200 disc 2 track 14...

just signed back on the list after a short absence, and am sure i
missed this discussion, so if someone who knows the answer could
email me privately...

why is tmf (track 14, disc 2) not listed on the disc?

thanks...
rebecca.

ps i'm up for chickenpeople, (but then, i'm an amy person)


"you have to be realistic, and demand the impossible"
  -- michelle shocked
=========================================================================
date:         wed, 25 oct 1995 16:26:06 edt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              "anna l. creech" <creechal@cc.emu.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "anna l. creech" <creechal@cc.emu.edu>
organization: eastern mennonite university
subject:      re: names, id's and chicken-things

on mon, 23 oct 1995 lorinda wright wrote:

> anyone ever notice that when amy is
> singing on the higher end of her register, and when emily is singing at the
> lower end of her register, that their voices are _very_ similar? (hence the
> confusion above.) i've thought about this and i've decided that's why they
> sound so perfect together. they're continuations of almost the same voice.

i asked my voice prof about that and she says it's because they
aren't using as much vibrato.  that helps voices blend better.  but
your right, they do sound similar.  it took me a long time to
distinguish between the two, and still....

anna

********
"there are two means of refuge from the miseries of life:
music and cats."       -albert schweitzer
=========================================================================
date:         wed, 25 oct 1995 16:35:47 gmt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              wingstar@mulberry.com
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         pat stark <wingstar@mulberry.com>
subject:      re: nigc: seeking guitar advice

>
>i'd love it if you guitar players out there could suggest a good quality
>guitar to start with.  june had suggested that fender makes a good
>one for about $300, but i don't know the model number.  i talked to
>someone in a music store last weekend and he suggested a yamaha f-310
>which was $229.
>

i have tried a number of guitars.  my first was a yamaha (can't remember the
model)  i have had four or five others since then but have gone back to
yamaha.  the model i have now is fg 411c.  i find for me they have the best
sound and easy play fret board.  it has a pickup factory built in and it
comes through with a nice clean sound.  i paid i think around $700. but that
is here in canada in a town with only one dealer who prices things to the
hilt.  it is probably alot cheaper in your area.

anyway, that is just my opinion.  there is probably as many opinions as
guitar players.

good luck!

pat
wingstar@mulberry.com

                "adding up the total of a love that's true
                   multiply life by the power of two"
                               es

                  "nobody gets a life time rehersal
                  as specks of dust we're universal"
                               es
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date:         wed, 25 oct 1995 13:46:16 -0700
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              dianne <dianne@uci.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         dianne <dianne@uci.edu>
subject:      re: 1200 disc 2 track 14...
x-to:         rebecca <pmrlm1@gannonlab.gannon.edu>
in-reply-to:  <287d1a36c40@gannonlab.gannon.edu>

rebecca, because touch me fall is all about 'hair" and lorinda thought it
would be a shallow song, so they eliminated it from the disc so as not to
offend bald people. at least, that's what i heard....

--dianne, whose tongue is firmly in her cheek... hee hee.
__________________________________________________________

on wed, 25 oct 1995, rebecca wrote:

> just signed back on the list after a short absence, and am sure i
> missed this discussion, so if someone who knows the answer could
> email me privately...
>
> why is tmf (track 14, disc 2) not listed on the disc?
>
> thanks...
> rebecca.
>
> ps i'm up for chickenpeople, (but then, i'm an amy person)
>
>
> "you have to be realistic, and demand the impossible"
>   -- michelle shocked
>
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date:         wed, 25 oct 1995 15:46:29 -0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              "joye p. mcburnett" <jmcburne@origin.ea.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "joye p. mcburnett" <jmcburne@origin.ea.com>
subject:      a public apology

<grovel mode on>

i hereby formally apologize for accidently replying to all earlier.  i
deeply regret this horrendous action, and swear that i will never do so
again.  i hope you can all find it within yourselves to forgive me.

<grovel mode off>

seriously, sorry about that!

=joye

ps of course, i'm taking up yet more bandwith this way....

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# joye price mcburnett                              jmcburne@origin.ea.com #
# associate producer, origin systems                       joyebean@io.com #
# austin, texas, usa                          http://www.io.com/~joyebean/ #
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date:         wed, 25 oct 1995 14:10:00 -0700
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              dianne <dianne@uci.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         dianne <dianne@uci.edu>
subject:      re: a public apology
x-to:         "joye p. mcburnett" <jmcburne@origin.ea.com>
in-reply-to:  <199510252046.paa13645@origin.ea.com>

joy - your penance is that you have to sweep up after we all leave, and
remember to shut off the lights.....
:d
on wed, 25 oct 1995, joye p. mcburnett wrote:

> <grovel mode on>
>
> i hereby formally apologize for accidently replying to all earlier.  i
> deeply regret this horrendous action, and swear that i will never do so
> again.  i hope you can all find it within yourselves to forgive me.
>
> <grovel mode off>
>
> seriously, sorry about that!
>
> =joye
>
> ps of course, i'm taking up yet more bandwith this way....
>
> #~~#~~#~~#~~#~~#~~#~~#~~#~~#~~#~~#~~#~~#~~#~~#~~#~~#~~#~~#~~#~~#~~#~~#~~#~~#
> # joye price mcburnett                              jmcburne@origin.ea.com #
> # associate producer, origin systems                       joyebean@io.com #
> # austin, texas, usa                          http://www.io.com/~joyebean/ #
> #~~#~~#~~#~~#~~#~~#~~#~~#~~#~~#~~#~~#~~#~~#~~#~~#~~#~~#~~#~~#~~#~~#~~#~~#~~#
>
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date:         wed, 25 oct 1995 14:13:24 -0700
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              dianne <dianne@uci.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         dianne <dianne@uci.edu>
subject:      shanny potter!!!

shanny! <<cupping hands to mouth>>
shanny, e-mail me puhleeeeze. i bought your 1200c's and am ready to send
to nz but i have a question.....

i lost your private e-mail address, so sorry (in advance to the rest of
the list) .....
=========================================================================
date:         thu, 26 oct 1995 15:12:35 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              gina canali <gina@ovation.physics.yale.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         gina canali <gina@ovation.physics.yale.edu>
subject:      girlies?

i'd prefer fortunate ones! or secondly, go-heads. girlies just seems
to...i don't know....sugary(?) or something.

gina
=========================================================================
date:         thu, 26 oct 1995 20:14:40 +0100
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              fiona sanderson <fionas@rmplc.co.uk>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         fiona sanderson <fionas@rmplc.co.uk>
subject:      i thought i had this under control but...

i watched the london concert for oh, the the 1200th time and realised i wear
the same style dms as emily and kind of ... dissolved *sad* or what?
there's more than one answer to these questions, pointing me in a crooked
line...
=========================================================================
date:         wed, 25 oct 1995 18:13:43 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              chandreyi saha <csaha@mtu.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         chandreyi saha <csaha@mtu.edu>
subject:      re: cd's for sale (only one ig) (limited igc)
x-to:         melliott@student.uwsuper.edu

michelle,

i was wondering if anyone had asked to buy either nanci griffith cd yet?  if not i would love to buy either one (whichever one you would recommend).  if they   are available could you e-mail me a csaha@mtu.edu.  thanks,  this is really     generous of you!  hope to hear from you soon.

chandreyi
=========================================================================
date:         thu, 26 oct 1995 06:53:43 +0800
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              dave cook <davecook@yarrow.wt.com.au>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         dave cook <davecook@yarrow.wt.com.au>
subject:      re: (fwd) check this out/ sign your name by typing forward/n
x-to:         "anna l. creech" <creechal@cc.emu.edu>
in-reply-to:  <30f14b4395@cc.emu.edu>

can i please ask that people *not* forward things like this to listservs.

some people pay for the amount of mail they receive and would not
appreciate this sort of thing.

i actually recieved this particular posting once before, just after the
french announced their intention to start nuclear testing.

just my opinion.

regards,
dave

+--------------------------------------+
| dave cook  perth, western australia  |
| internet:  davecook@yarrow.wt.com.au |
| irc on #indigo-girls as cevad        |
+--------------------------------------+
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date:         wed, 25 oct 1995 19:07:48 edt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              "anna l. creech" <creechal@cc.emu.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "anna l. creech" <creechal@cc.emu.edu>
organization: eastern mennonite university
subject:      re: (fwd) check this out/ sign your name by typing forward/

since i've recieved so much flak about this forwarding i did, i wish
to apologize to the group.  i did not intend to infringe on netiquet,
and i realize that this is not related to indigo girls.  as i have
explained to several people who have emailed me privately, i mearly
was trying to reach a broader base of people than i would on my tiny
campus.  i am sorry if this caused everyone problems.  please, if you
have a complaint about this, don't tell me.  half of my messages
since i sent that have been from people complaining about it.  i get
the message.

anna


********
"there are two means of refuge from the miseries of life:
music and cats."       -albert schweitzer
=========================================================================
date:         wed, 25 oct 1995 19:05:46 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              indigosgtr@aol.com
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         nikki nahra <indigosgtr@aol.com>
subject:      (nigc) guitar advice

a good starting guitar?
i'd say a takamini.  takaminis have a reputation for their full, deep,
beautifully-rich sound.  whether it's a beginner's guitar you're looking for
or an upgrade to a performance guitar, you really can't go wrong with a tak.

i'm not saying this is the best guitar out there...not by a long shot.  that
would be a martin. :)
but for the kind of money i know you're talking (ie, < $1000!), takaminis are
quality guitars:  good all-around craftsmanship, solidly built.  made with
nice wood, good grade.  bindings(where the cuts of wood are joined
together)are neat.  low action--very comfortable, more so than most guitars
in this price range(action denotes the height of the strings off the
fretboard;  lower action makes for better ease of play).  very good
projection(volume).  uses solid hardware (tuning mechanisms) which hold the
tune of the strings better than those used on lower-quality or older guitars.
if you're looking for an aoustic-electric (a guitar that you can hook up for
amplification), you're in luck, b/c takaminis make/use the best electronics
for acoustic guitars, with the nicest connections (again, in this price
range, though they still do compete with the upper level guitar systems).

my first was a tak.  g332.  cost me ~$300, though i caught it during a great
sale--anual fall blowout sale, right before the new shipments come in--at
veneman's music.  it's real value(which i didn't find out until later) is
somewhere around $500.  don't get me wrong--you can still get a *very* good
tak between $200-$300.  especially since they'll keep coming out with better
and better guitars, which will inevitably lower the prices of the older
models, making them more available, without compromising the quality of them.


now, i got mine in october of 1993, not so long ago.  i highly reccommend the
g332.  i didn't know at the timejust how good a guitar i was getting...i got
lucky(yeah, right)!  from the start, it got many compliments.  people _still_
keep telling me how they love the sound..."that great, rich
sound"...typical...for takamini.  a good friend of mine(who, incidentally,
just gave a concert on campus here at wash u) recently purchased a
tak(acoustic-electric), as his second guitar, because he loved the sound of
mine so much(and his even cost less than mine did).   a g332 nowadays would
probably cost you between 2-4 hundred, though, more realistically, b/w 3 & 4.
this guy i just mentioned, he got his for, like, $200, or something like
that.

but...now's a good time to buy!!!  start keeping those eyes peeled for
sales!!!  if you live in maryland or virginia, veneman's has a store in each
state (though no where else, very unfortunately), and, if i'm not mistaken,
they *should* still have this sale going on.  in fact, you could call up the
rockville store in maryland(the main one) and check for sure what's going on,
and see if it makes sense to order it from them and have them send it to you.
i definitely reccommend you get a ***hard***case***!!!!!  it is _worth it_!!


the g332 comes without electronics.  that is, strictly acoustic.  i just got
elec's installed in mine this past summer for b/w 1&2 hundred $$ more.  you
can see if they'll factory-install them for you if you plan on ordering it.
although, if you *are* _planning_ on having an acoutic electric, you should
check out the ready-made ones that takamini offers.  remember...the best
pickups and built-in amps available(in this price range, of coarse)!

as far as other guitars are concerned... in my humble opinion, i can't stand
ovations.  they're downright tinny.  they are made with a shallow-backed
body.  that means for a narrower, less impressive sound.  to boot, the backs
aren't even made of wood!!  they use some funky composite plastic
something-or-other, which makes for an even _less_ genuine acoustic sound.
to me, yamahas _tend_ to be more harsh-sounding, more mechanical, with more
of a factory-produce sound--without much feeling.  they simply just seem to
lack warmth.  [and that's what it is about takaminis!!  that's the word i was
searching for...*warmth*]  now, i'm not knocking these guitars altogether.
you could get a very nice yamaha, for example, with a very tender sound, if
you wanted to...but it would cost you more.
as for fenders...well, to be honest, i don't know much, except that they only
started making acoustic guitars in the last year or so, if that speaks
anything to you.  :)  and from what i've heard friends say, they're pretty
crappy when it really comes down to the details...but remember!  that's still
only heresay.

other guitars i would reccommend: a guild is a great guitar, as is an
alvarez, epiphone, or more obviously, a gibson.  however, those will more
likely bring you into a higher price-range, where many more good-quaility
guitars exist.  yes, you could get a guitar made by one of these companies at
the price you're looking for, but could you get the same *level* of
crafstmanship as a takamini, with the stamp of the company that says, "yes,
we're proud of this guitar"?  probably not.  not *definitely* not, but
probably not, thought they _do_ exist.  it's just..._usually_ not.

for example, a sigma guitar would fit this description(sigma is a division of
martin...ahh--the name!)  and that is because martin is the only other guitar
company that i would praise higher than takamini when it comes to acoustic
guitars.  why?  because they are the best.  plain and simple.  and if you're
gonna' stay _under_ the range of 2-3 thousand, then a top-notch takamini's
got as much to offer as any other guitar under a martin.  that's not to say
that gibson can't make a better guitar than takamini.  it's just to say that,
if you're gonna go up into the upper ranges (over 2 thou), then a gibson is
not a means to an end.  go for a martin.  and if you are gonna stay
under...if you, unlike me, will be satisfied with anything less than a
martin...then unless something like a gibson hummingbird goes on big sale,
the takamini serves its purpose.

ahh, but to have a martin guitar........a d-45, like emily's........
what can i say? ...i have expensive taste...a taste for quality, and high
quality when it comes to guitars.  :)  and __**that**__ is why i recommend a
takamini for your first guitar. because, when it comes to practicality,
you're not likely to find that kind of all-around quality in equipment and
construction for the money, nor that guinuine *warmth* of sound, as you would
(and will) find in a takamini.

(anyone else think i should be on takamini's promotion & marketing staff??
he-he.)

of coarse, and this really goes without saying, i'd be on the martin staff
over the takamini staff anyday.
like that would really happen.
wake up, nikki.
:(
oh, well...i can always buy one...in the future...someday...hopefully...a
d-41, maybe????? (!)...  :)

well, i hope this helped somebody.  and if i forgot to explain any lingo or
wasn't clear enough about anything, if you just plain-old have a question, or
if you want to flame me for my opinion, =) drop me some mail, and i'll be
glad to assist.  okay?!!

-ig's&guitars,
nikki

btw, here's the number for that store i was talking about, veneman's music
(the greatest music store on earth!!!) : (301) 231-6100
=========================================================================
date:         wed, 25 oct 1995 20:55:48 edt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              "jennifer l. holt" <jh9882a@american.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "jennifer l. holt" <jh9882a@american.edu>
organization: the american university
subject:      re: complicity (nigc!!!!!!!!!)
x-to:         shampine@ll.mit.edu
in-reply-to:  message of wed, 25 oct 1995 12:30:05 -0400 from
              <shampine@ll.mit.edu>

i agree with your message about stereotypes and attitudes.  i think if everyone
would speak up about these things, a lot of people's eyes would be opened.
jen
=========================================================================
date:         wed, 25 oct 1995 18:13:17 -0700
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              "michelle d. richards" <mdrichar@uci.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "michelle d. richards" <mdrichar@uci.edu>
subject:      re: cd's for sale (only one ig) (limited igc)
x-to:         "michelle m. elliott" <melliott@student.uwsuper.edu>

hi michelle (nice name! :)),

has anyone put in dibs for the shawn colvin cd?  if no, i'd love to have it.
i've only got one other cd of hers, but i think that she's great and would
love to have more of her stuff.

thanks,
michelle (too)

ps:  darn it all!  i sent this incorrectly, so now there's probably not a
chance of me being first :(  oh well, hello anyway!
*****

>hello folks,
>
>i am selling the below listed cds for $5 each (except for the
>watershed cd) and that price includes shipping.  i just feel the need
>to get rid of some of the stuff i have.  they are all in good shape
>and i will give you a refund if you are unhappy with their quality.
>
>this is not an auction.  the first person who tells me they want the
>cd gets it.
>
>indigo girls--watershed single (includes studio track, live version of
>watershed and all along the watchtower.   ($10.00 for this cd only)
>
>$5 each/includes shipping:
>
>kate bush--the sensual world
>shawn colvin--cover girl
>melissa etheridge--brave and crazy
>melissa etheridge--yes i am
>nanci griffith--flyer
>nanci griffith--other voices, other rooms
>rickie lee jones--traffic from paradise
>k.d. lang--ingenue
>k.d. lang--even cowgirls get the blues soundtrack
>annie lennox--diva
>sinead o'connor--i do not want what i haven't got
>u2--achtung baby (digipak)
>10,000 maniacs--blind man's zoo
>philedelphia soundtrack
>
>please post to me privately regarding the cd's.  i will not be
>posting again to the main list.
>
>thanks for your time everyone!  hope you are all having a great day!
>
>michelle
>
>
=========================================================================
date:         wed, 25 oct 1995 18:15:57 -0700
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              "michelle d. richards" <mdrichar@uci.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "michelle d. richards" <mdrichar@uci.edu>
subject:      oops

darn, darn, darn.  i guess that this is just not my day.
sorry about that last message.
michelle
*****
=========================================================================
date:         thu, 26 oct 1995 13:55:49 -0700
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              "teresa c. esguerra" <sac83826@saclink1.csus.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "teresa c. esguerra" <sac83826@saclink1.csus.edu>
subject:      re: more lyric interp.
x-to:         lorinda wright <lw01@lehigh.edu>
in-reply-to:  <199510251949.paa89653@ns1-1.cc.lehigh.edu>

lorindigo,
        lol!  emily's got to be bald somewhere down the line.  i can't
believe we've been suckers all these years...

        thanks for this stupid smile on my face.....

teri
=========================================================================
date:         thu, 26 oct 1995 14:02:38 -0700
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              "teresa c. esguerra" <sac83826@saclink1.csus.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "teresa c. esguerra" <sac83826@saclink1.csus.edu>
subject:      re: jerry marotta (fwd)

hullo!
        i sent this to mat yesterday and somehow forgot to send it to the
list.  i love jerry marotta and i couldn't let this topic go without
responding...  so here's what mat read that was meant for everyone to read...
------------------------------------------------------------------------------

mat and all,
        jerry's one of the most intelligent and melodic drummers out there.

        i dont' know if anyone realizes how hard it is to drum to ig's
kind of music.  we had this dave grohl wannabe rehearse with me and my
musical partner and it changed the entire face of the music in what i
felt was a very negative way.

        jerry marotta has added so much to the girls compositions.  he
has incorporated a helluva lot of movement.  drums in acoustic music has
a wild tendency to get lost behind all of the strumming.

        been gone for the entire weekend.  glad to to see all of you again...
teri
=========================================================================
date:         wed, 25 oct 1995 21:20:46 edt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              bertin lefkovic <indigboy@eden.rutgers.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         bertin lefkovic <indigboy@eden.rutgers.edu>
subject:      re: (fwd) check this out/ sign your name by typing forward/n
x-to:         "anna l. creech" <creechal@cc.emu.edu>
in-reply-to:  your message of wed, 25 oct 1995 16:20:11 edt

please add me onto your petition.  if you need any additional information
about me, please e-mail me at your convenience.

peace

bertin lefkovic
graduate school of education
rutgers university
=========================================================================
date:         wed, 25 oct 1995 21:59:23 edt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              bertin lefkovic <indigboy@eden.rutgers.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         bertin lefkovic <indigboy@eden.rutgers.edu>
subject:      re: excuse my french (nigc!!!!!!!)
x-to:         shampine@ll.mit.edu
in-reply-to:  your message of wed, 25 oct 1995 15:06:52 -0400

you go laurie!!!  you go girlie!!!

she will not be complacent.

i was really getting sick and tired of all the "poo-poing" that was taking
place anytime anyone stated an opinion that was remotely radical.  it seems
like when anybody besides amy and/or emily get on the soapbox and attempt to
do some consciousness-raising and speak about serious issues and get an
intelligent dialogue going, people on this list try to shut it down or
devalue the topic, because it is pc, or worse nigc.  this is an extremely
valuable forum, not only for discussing ig and their music and things related
to the music, but also as a means of creating a community.  by being a
community, this does not necessarily mean we have to agree on everything, but
that we create an environment that is open and conducive to the free exchange
of ideas.  when i posted my diatribe about the world series, i did not expect
everyone to agree with me, and was not surprised when there were several who
did not.  what disappointed me most is that it seemed when people responded
to the post, what they were talking about had very little to do with what i
had posted.  when i brought up the tomahawk chop and chant and chief wahoo,
people chose to discuss the names, which was especially sad , because i had
made it clear that the names were not the problem.

the problem is that we don't respect each others ideas enough to give them
the attention they deserve.  we read thing the we want themn to be rather
than how they actually are.  it is fine and dandy to jump on the bandwagon
when amy and emily are preaching, but anyone else is just some shmuck who
doesn't know what he/she is talking about.  i would like this list to be more
than what it has been or has ever been.  i don't know how many people are on
this list, but there are enough where what we say here can have an effect on
people's lives.  i don't expect to change the world.  just my little corner
of it.  sorry for the sermon.

btw, i like girlies better than any of the other ideas.  most of them are
just too long, and i don't want to call myself anything with the word chicken
in it.  my friends are vegetarians and animal lovers, so i don't think they
would appreciate it, and i care about how they feel.  anyway, it represents
one song out of so many wonderful ones.  and it isn't even amy's best one.
and i don't think the men or the feminists should have a problem with it.  i
think it is helpful if men can get in touch with their feminine side, and
this is a very easy way to do it.  and while i understand why women get so
pissed off when they are referred to as girls or girlies, i think in this
context, the word has a much more positive connotation than it usually would.
and their is always that argument about "reclaiming the words", which
explains why some african-americans feel comfortable using the word "nigger"
and gays/lesbians use "fag" and "dyke".  so let us all from this day forth,
be known as:

girlies!!!!!!!!

i like it.  it is very liberating.  let's go with it.


let it grow

bert
=========================================================================
date:         thu, 26 oct 1995 17:28:00 edt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              free the chickens! <creechal@cc.emu.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         free the chickens! <creechal@cc.emu.edu>
organization: eastern mennonite university
subject:      baldness

pardon my ignorance, but what's this about amy shaving her head?
when did this happen?  why?

anna

********
"there are two means of refuge from the miseries of life:
music and cats."       -albert schweitzer
=========================================================================
date:         thu, 26 oct 1995 16:29:40 edt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              mr rodney s wicker <rucr57a@prodigy.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         mr rodney s wicker <rucr57a@prodigy.com>
subject:      the name thing...

we have been having problems lately trying to come with name for
indigo girls fans that both sexes can live with, so i have a list of
suggestions with explanations on where i came up with them.  let me
know if you like any of these and i will tell you if any seem to be
catching on:

blue shadows
indigo mob
equal partners
tongues of fire
black sheep
intimate strangers
voices in the woods

blue shadows-dave alvin wrote a song on the streets of fire
soundtrack with this title.
indigo mob-an episode of gilligan's island had a pair of villians
chasing guest star larry storch called the "indigo mob."
equal partners-emily inspired.  a line from the song mystery, "we're
equal partners in a mystery."
tongues of fire-emily inspired.  a line from the song fare thee well,
"last night the tongues of fire circled me around."
black sheep-emily inspired.  a line from the song hey jesus, "i hang
around sometimes with a bunch of your black sheep."
intimate strangers-amy inspired, a line from the song reunion,
"there's no need for anger with intimate strangers, i've got nothing
to hide."
voices in the woods-amy inspired, a line from jonas & ezekial,
"hubcaps, falling rocks, voices in the woods and the mountaintops."

let me know what you think.  leave a note either here or e-mail me
privately.

rodney wicker
rucr57a@prodigy.com
=========================================================================
date:         thu, 26 oct 1995 17:46:54 edt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              free the chickens! <creechal@cc.emu.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         free the chickens! <creechal@cc.emu.edu>
organization: eastern mennonite university
subject:      re: excuse my french (nigc!!!!!!!)

> it is fine and dandy to jump on the bandwagon
> when amy and emily are preaching, but anyone else is just some shmuck who
> doesn't know what he/she is talking about.

i hate to break it to you all, but amy and emily are human.  <gasp!>
what they have to say is just as important as any shmuck.  well, just
about any shmuck.  i don't know as much about guitars and music as
they do, so that's something they have more authority in than i do.
however, anyone can have an opinion and be able to share it.

(btw, that was my opinion, and i shared it.)

anna

********
"there are two means of refuge from the miseries of life:
music and cats."       -albert schweitzer
=========================================================================
date:         thu, 26 oct 1995 14:51:37 -0800
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              carla williams <cjwilliams@getty.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         carla williams <cjwilliams@getty.edu>
subject:      re: excuse my french (nigc!!!!!!!) -reply

ah, you go, boy (girlie)!

i just wanted to say i agree with bert and
lauree entirely on this one, but was a little slow
in my response.  it is incredibly defeating to
dismiss someone's objections particularly when
you figure they do not pertain to you.  i notice
that it tends to be people whose own interests
are not being attacked that take offense with
what they perceive to be overly-"politically
correct" reactions.  what does it mean to be
too p.c. when what is at issue is the basic
human right to define one's self?  i do not get
that, and the whole question of "drawing the
line?"  as if a line needs to be drawn with
regard to people's rights?

anyway, this is just my opinion and it is not at
all humble.  flame if you want to.
=========================================================================
date:         wed, 25 oct 1995 19:27:27 -0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              lynnie <lmartin@center.colgate.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         lynnie <lmartin@center.colgate.edu>
subject:      georgia cd

hello to all my dear, lovely fellow- ig fans,
        i just flipped on the tv and saw that ig is included on some sort
of cd for georgian artists.  has anyone else heard of this?  if so, please
give info!  also, not to be a brat, but could someone post the chords for
"thin line" again?  i accidentely deleted them.  thanks!  love, lynn
ps- my personal choice in "indigs" (as in, rhymes with "shindig"- crazy, i know):)
=========================================================================
date:         thu, 26 oct 1995 16:59:35 cdt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              read mail <kbelew1@ua1vm.ua.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         read mail <kbelew1@ua1vm.ua.edu>
organization: the university of alabama, tuscaloosa, al
subject:      a+e= happy cow pants and green lantern
in-reply-to:  message of wed, 25 oct 95 20:39:33 cdt from
              <listserv@netspace.org>

    hello fellow indi-people. i've been reading this list for a long time
and i just had to jump in.
    i'm an undergrad at the univ. of alabama and while exiting the anthropology
building the other day, i noticed something that made me very happy.
             chalked on one of the columns in bright orange was:
                         amy and emily for president!!!
    we just finished with coming out week (and an icky week of battling the
southern league--no comment) and the recent rain had washed away everything
but that slogan.  going to the u of a and seeing something like that on a
campus building is plenty enough to brighten up your day.

    the dorm that i was in last year (or the one that my girlfriend lived in)
was very indigo conscious.  i woke up many a morning to the indigo girls being
blasted all over that end of campus from the rooms upstairs. i swear that the
whole dorm would have indigo days when all the stereo's would put on the same
song at the same time and educate the whole of the campus (and the silly frat
boys) on good music for ten minutes or so.  anyway,

                                             always lurking,
                                                             kacy
=========================================================================
date:         thu, 26 oct 1995 18:09:57 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              andrea marie adrian <aadrian@college.antioch.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         andrea marie adrian <aadrian@college.antioch.edu>
subject:      re: the name thing...
x-to:         mr rodney s wicker <rucr57a@prodigy.com>
in-reply-to:  <013.03623899.rucr57a@prodigy.com>

i personally love intimate strangers. it's great because that is sort of
what we are. o.k., time to go back to lurking once again.
andrea
=========================================================================
date:         thu, 26 oct 1995 00:17:01 -0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              "lori l. collins" <lcollins@jaguar1.usouthal.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "lori l. collins" <lcollins@jaguar1.usouthal.edu>
subject:      re: a note for guitarists
in-reply-to:  <199510260402.aaa00236@netspace.org>

sheri stanley <sstanley@infinet.com> said:

> i have downloaded all the indigo girls' guitar chord/tab files from olga
> (on-line guitar archive). i believe there is every song ever done by the
> indigo girls, whether original or cover.

did you happen to find ig's version of the water is wide? maybe i'm just
a big ole goofball, but i can't follow james taylor's version. heck, i'd
take just about anybody's version of wiw.

or how about this... does anyone know of a ftp address that has
"traditional" music like this?

thanks to anyone who can answer!

lori

p.s. what's up with the nuke forwarded e-mail?
=========================================================================
date:         wed, 25 oct 1995 18:32:19 -0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              rebecca gaukroger <gaukroge@uiuc.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         rebecca gaukroger <gaukroge@uiuc.edu>
subject:      sony page

well, it seems that sony's *finally* sorted out it's new ig page on the
web today.  i'm having a nose around it at the moment, and it's a lot
better than the old one.  there's a 'photo album' with about 20 jpeg
pictures, only one of which is in 1200curfews (i think).  info.,
interviews, photos and stuff for rop, so and 1200 c's.  and [drum roll]
an audio/video bit, that my computer won't have anything to do with.  it
says there are au. and wav. clips for least complicated, thin line, strange
fire, world falls, bury my heart..., down by the river, back together
again and closer to fine.  so they can't have put the video clips up yet
(au/wavs are audio, aren't they?...).  they've also got the fan club
address, an article by amy about daemon records, a list of all of their
tour dates since signing to epic, and a link to the screensavers page.

all in all, worth a look.
the address is:
                http://www.music.sony.com/music/artistinfo/indigogirls/

hope that's of use, and not *too* frustrating to those who can't access
the web :)

bye for now,

rebecca.

     *****************************************************************

     "a dreamer is one who can only find his way by moonlight, and his
     punishment is that he sees the dawn before the rest of the world"
                                                        oscar wilde
=========================================================================
date:         thu, 26 oct 1995 10:11:08 +0100
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              mts5@aber.ac.uk
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         matthew joseph smith <mts5@aber.ac.uk>
subject:      re: more lyric interp.
x-to:         lorinda wright <lw01@lehigh.edu>

>so you see, amy's really just a shallow person obsessed with the fact that she
>cut her hair off. maybe if we look at it we'll discover that hammer and a nail
>is really about nail polish, or that joking is really about "truly tasteless"
>joke books, or that chickenman is really about kfc. sheesh! and we thought
>these women were profound!
>
if amy is shallow, it wouldn't have made any difference to hammer & a nail.
emily wrote it.

mat
mts5@aber.ac.uk
=========================================================================
date:         thu, 26 oct 1995 08:25:28 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              "stephen n. spencer" <spencer@emily.cgrg.ohio-state.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "stephen n. spencer" <spencer@emily.cgrg.ohio-state.edu>
subject:      breaking curfew, and 1200 curfew song-mixing

folks, the "promotional cd" released to radio stations and record stores
to coincide with the commercial release of "1200 curfews" is called
"breaking curfew." it's a single cd with 14 tracks on it -- the entirety
of disc 1 of "1200 curfews" with no change in contents or order. the
catalog number (for you completists) is esk 7382.

anyone else on the list a frank zappa fan and appreciate the similarities
of combining several different versions of songs to come up with one
"track"? several of his later live releases -- 1988's "the best band you
never heard in your life" and "make a jazz noise here" were made up of
songs which were *seamless* constructions of several performances of the
same song on different nights in different cities during that tour. (an
unrelated aside: both of these cds is a 2-cd set. add "broadway the hard
way" to the mix and you've got *five* cds worth of material from his 1988
tour. talk about prolific!)

stephen n. spencer          614.292.3416 (v)       graphics research specialist
spencer@siggraph.org        614.292.7776 (f)  accad - the ohio state university
spencer@cgrg.ohio-state.edu                  siggraph director for publications
"oh you set up your place in my thoughts/moved in and made my thinking crowded"
=========================================================================
date:         thu, 26 oct 1995 08:44:00 edt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              sheri stanley <sstanley@infinet.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         sheri stanley <sstanley@infinet.com>
subject:      re: a note for guitarists
x-to:         "scott r. learned" <learnesr@whitman.edu>

scott...

the "power of two" is indeed at olga. i have a copy if you'd like it.

-sheri

>acutually, not all the charts are included.  i know that power of two (my
>favorite indigo girls song) is not there and i would imagine that others
>are missing too.  i guess we will have to buy the songbook, eh?
>
>scott
>
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>                                    _ \ <,_
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>__________________________________________________
>
>scott r. learned
>whitman college          or    1411 n. 24th st.
>walla walla, wa 99362          boise, id 83702
>(509) 527-5689                 (208) 345-4885
>hello from walla walla!!!
>
>
a room without books
is a body without a soul
                -cicero
=========================================================================
date:         thu, 26 oct 1995 08:55:00 edt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              sheri stanley <sstanley@infinet.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         sheri stanley <sstanley@infinet.com>
subject:      another note for guitarists, re: tab/chords

some of you are requesting all the songs i downloaded. that's fine...i can
send all of them. however, keep in mind there are around 60 songs.

-sheri

a room without books
is a body without a soul
                -cicero
=========================================================================
date:         thu, 26 oct 1995 09:19:06 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              dandy lion <lift@mindspring.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         dandy lion <lift@mindspring.com>
subject:      "hell-n-ready" returns!

for those of you in atlanta oct. 26, carry yourselves to eddie's attic.
yes, kristin hall will do her "thang" and will be joined later in the
evening by ms. hell-n-ready and the hot wods. many thrift store wonders are
guaranteed! yep, red rubber clogs are on the comeback and the rhoda
morganstern look has never been so hip!
=========================================================================
date:         thu, 26 oct 1995 16:33:34 -0700
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              jennifer lynn bean <beanjl@whitman.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         jennifer lynn bean <beanjl@whitman.edu>
subject:      re: the name thing...
x-to:         mr rodney s wicker <rucr57a@prodigy.com>
in-reply-to:  <013.03623899.rucr57a@prodigy.com>

i agree with you rodney, on the "intimate strangers" name.  it's very
inclusive, and doesn't require anything but the prerequisite of a passion
for ig music.
good idea.
-jenn
=========================================================================
date:         thu, 26 oct 1995 19:43:19 gmt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              wingstar@mulberry.com
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         pat stark <wingstar@mulberry.com>
subject:      re: the name thing

>we have been having problems lately trying to come with name for
>indigo girls fans that both sexes can live with, so i have a list of
>suggestions with explanations on where i came up with them.  let me
>know if you like any of these and i will tell you if any seem to be
>catching on:
>
>blue shadows
>indigo mob
>equal partners
>tongues of fire
>black sheep
>intimate strangers
>voices in the woods

i have been sitting this one out but i figured i would put in my two cents
in now.
intimate strangers!  i really like that one.  it kinda descries us don't ya
think?

pat
wingstar@mulberry.com

                "adding up the total of a love that's true
                   multiply life by the power of two"
                               es

                  "nobody gets a life time rehersal
                  as specks of dust we're universal"
                               es
=========================================================================
date:         thu, 26 oct 1995 10:05:47 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              andrew vogel <vogelap@ucunix.san.uc.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         andrew vogel <vogelap@ucunix.san.uc.edu>
subject:      re: more lyric interp.
x-to:         lorinda wright <lw01@lehigh.edu>
in-reply-to:  <199510251949.paa89653@ns1-1.cc.lehigh.edu>

on wed, 25 oct 1995, lorinda wright wrote:

> i've been thinking about the song touch me fall for a long time now. pretty
> weird song, no? couldn't for the life of me figure what it was all about, and
> then it hit me. it's about hair. that's it. just hair. (or lack thereof). so
> you see, amy's really just a completely shallow person. she writes this whole
> supposedly deep meaningful song about her own hair. here, i'll interpret for
> you.
>
lorinda - all i can say to you is:

thank you!

i didn't completely understand the song until your wonderful
interpretation! i really agree with you, too...

but, i do have to take offense at your comment that the girls are
shallow. i don't think so - i mean, look at how they clouded the true
meaning of tmf (bald) by adding all those meaningless lines to mess with
us.

very clever, in my book.

hey - i'm working on my thesis about shakespeare. are there any of his
works you'd like to interpret for me? :-)

==========================================================================
drew vogel: admissions officer at university of cincinnati undergraduate
admissions (call 800-827-8728), actor, director, ibm fanatic, documentation
author, single guy, & much, much more! apvlbsb. a+e=ig. try my home page at
"http://ucunix.san.uc.edu/~vogelap"          "the only way out is through."
=========================================================================
date:         thu, 26 oct 1995 10:00:51 -0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              keller jennifer l <jlk299s@nic.smsu.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         keller jennifer l <jlk299s@nic.smsu.edu>
subject:      previous auction

hello!  i have been taking tally of all the things i have ordered minus
those which i have actually received (hence, the post about list shirts
and this one).  i took part in an auction (i am fairly sure it was
through hidden water, but i could be way wrong) a month or so ago.  the
particular item i bought was a signed green so vinyl.  i remember that
there were two other copies, along with other merchandise.  has anybody
who participated in this auction received there stuff?  just wondering -
thanks for the help!
jenn
jlk299s@nic.smsu.edu
=========================================================================
date:         thu, 26 oct 1995 11:27:13 +1100
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              rebecca <pmrlm1@gannonlab.gannon.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         rebecca <pmrlm1@gannonlab.gannon.edu>
organization: gannon university
subject:      in search of more bootlegs :)

i am yet again in search of more bootlegs, and have some to trade
in return...  if anyone has the following shows...i"d love to get
them!

color me grey
2-15-91  columbus, oh
12-14-92  buffalo, ny
7-8-94  cleveland, oh
10-15-94  buffalo, ny
4-8-95  indianapolis, in
4-15-95  erie, pa

thanks!
rebecca :)

"you have to be realistic, and demand the impossible"
  -- michelle shocked
=========================================================================
date:         thu, 26 oct 1995 11:29:43 +1100
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              rebecca <pmrlm1@gannonlab.gannon.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         rebecca <pmrlm1@gannonlab.gannon.edu>
organization: gannon university
subject:      upcoming vld radio shows

i was wondering if any of you atlanta people would be taping the vld
shows that are going to be on 88.5, and well, that other station this
month...i'd love to get copies, as i'm going down for their show end
of the month...i am willing to trade, send tapes, beg, grovel,
whatever it takes...

rebecca.


"you have to be realistic, and demand the impossible"
  -- michelle shocked
=========================================================================
date:         thu, 26 oct 1995 11:27:16 edt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              yen m tang <ymt2@lehigh.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         yen m tang <ymt2@lehigh.edu>
subject:      billboard, 'hammer' lyrics

i just finished browsing through billboard magazine (10/28) and found that
1200 is listed at #40 in its first week. not that's it's terribly important.

i have one more interpretation for the 'hammer and a nail' lyrics that i'd
like to share with y'all. it's not mine. cylinda sent this to me, and i
thought it was too, ummm, enlightening not share with the entire list.

from the wise and all-knowing cylinda:

this really has nothing to do with what emily meant, i'm
positively sure, but every time i hear the line 'look behind my ears for the
green' i think of sesame street.  (heh, heh, follow this logic...) see, i
remeber watching sesame street, and they had this animation bit where they
showed this boy's head, and all of a sudden grass started growing to replace
his hair.  it just kinda grew over the hair that was there, and soon he had
a head of grass (what twisted, demented, subversive message was sesame
street trying to broadcast to little kids?) anyway, i remeber this short
vividly, cause it really freaked me out, and for a long time i would look
behind my ears to see if grass (green?) was growing there.  in fact, i
remeber being convinced i had found a grass bud waiting to erupt, and i was
very concerned that i would soon have a head full of grass (okay, i was a
strange child.  but i've grown out of that. now i'm a strange semi-adult).
so, that's what this line, every single time i hear it, reminds me of.  i
remember looking behind my ears to see the grass.  i suppose its remotely
possible that emily could have seen the same short and been so adversely
affected by it that she put it into a song.  not probable, but possible.

sesame street. that would've been my second guess:)
=========================================================================
date:         thu, 26 oct 1995 08:44:00 edt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              sheri stanley <sstanley@infinet.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         sheri stanley <sstanley@infinet.com>
subject:      re: a public apology
x-to:         "joye p. mcburnett" <jmcburne@origin.ea.com>

i say we tar and feather her.....what about it gang?

<seg>

-sheri


><grovel mode on>
>
>i hereby formally apologize for accidently replying to all earlier.  i
>deeply regret this horrendous action, and swear that i will never do so
>again.  i hope you can all find it within yourselves to forgive me.
>
><grovel mode off>
>
>seriously, sorry about that!
>
>=joye
>
>ps of course, i'm taking up yet more bandwith this way....
>
>#~~#~~#~~#~~#~~#~~#~~#~~#~~#~~#~~#~~#~~#~~#~~#~~#~~#~~#~~#~~#~~#~~#~~#~~#~~#
># joye price mcburnett                              jmcburne@origin.ea.com #
># associate producer, origin systems                       joyebean@io.com #
># austin, texas, usa                          http://www.io.com/~joyebean/ #
>#~~#~~#~~#~~#~~#~~#~~#~~#~~#~~#~~#~~#~~#~~#~~#~~#~~#~~#~~#~~#~~#~~#~~#~~#~~#
>
>
a room without books
is a body without a soul
                -cicero
=========================================================================
date:         thu, 26 oct 1995 11:50:52 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              heather ann frame <frame1@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         heather ann frame <frame1@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu>
x-to:         mts5@aber.ac.uk
in-reply-to:  <199510251848.oaa28984@netspace.org>

sign off indigo-girls


heather ann frame
the george washington university
frame1@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu
=========================================================================
date:         thu, 26 oct 1995 11:46:27 -24000
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              "judith k. hunter" <jhunter@rtc.gov>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "judith k. hunter" <jhunter@rtc.gov>
subject:      re: excuse my french (nigc!!!!!!!)

>so what?  so we shouldn't speak too loudly about what we perceive to be
>prejudice and injustice because people might take notice and put us in our
>place?  this culture has been telling women and minorities for years that
>their perceptions...their perspectives on things...don't matter to the point
>where the things they find demeaning and offensive are considered mainstream
>popular american culture.


so *very* true!  "i will not be *complacent*..i will *not* be
complacent....*i* will not be complacent..."
=========================================================================
date:         thu, 26 oct 1995 18:54:43 ewt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              just call me norma ray <afiegle@cluster.ucs.indiana.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         just call me norma ray <afiegle@cluster.ucs.indiana.edu>
subject:      our name...

thank you, thank you, thank you....intimate strangers!  the first
name i could really see the beauty in.  (sorry, but i don't think i
could be a chickenperson...=)


mandy
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date:         thu, 26 oct 1995 17:02:30 -0700
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              paula laine <plaine@seaccd.sccd.ctc.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         paula laine <plaine@seaccd.sccd.ctc.edu>
subject:      re: the name thing...
in-reply-to:  <pine.sol.3.91.951026163117.17880b-100000@marcus>

on thu, 26 oct 1995, jennifer lynn bean wrote:

> i agree with you rodney, on the "intimate strangers" name.  it's very
> inclusive, and doesn't require anything but the prerequisite of a passion
> for ig music.
> good idea.
> -jenn
>
yah but if i tell someone i'm an 'intimate stranger" they are not going
to know what i'm talking about. someone tells you they're a deadhead
than you know what they mean.

paulal.
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date:         thu, 26 oct 1995 12:36:49 edt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              mary clark <mryclrk@eden.rutgers.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         mary clark <mryclrk@eden.rutgers.edu>
subject:      re: excuse my french (nigc!!!!!!!)
x-to:         shampine@ll.mit.edu
in-reply-to:  your message of wed, 25 oct 1995 15:06:52 -0400

you said i will agreee that the best kind of activism is informed activism.
all i'm saying is that there is a lot of uninformed activism going on.  yes,
a lot of reactionary assholes are against the pc movement, but you have to
realize that not everyone against it has the same agenda, the same reasons,
or the same political views.  part of the problem with politics today is
that it is divided into good and bad.  i say that there are bad things about
the pc movement and you label me reactionary.  i am a lesbian feminist
socialist and anything but a reactionary.  my political views are complex and
can't be pigeonholed.  i don't think anyone who thinks long and hard, who
actually studies history and politics, can come out looking at things as
black and white as you are.  here's an example;
    i brought styrofoam cups to a bake sale for the feminist collective at my
school.  two "environmentalist" members gasped in horror and told me to
return them, informing me that their group funds would not go towards the
dastardly styrofoam.  i was, at the time, an environmental science
major who'd been
involved in the environmental movement (not the "green" movement) since i was
a freshman in high school.  i had accepted an award on behalf of one my
groups at city hall nyc. the styrofoam that they had been taught was
so terrible is actually no worse than paper cups.  paper cups do not
biodegrade- they are put in landfills.  nothing in a landfill
biodegrades.  at best, the dye in the cups will release it's chemicals
into leachate.  the styrofoam, believe it or not, takes less energy to
make and utilizes fewer harmful chemicals.  i did not learn that from
a plastics company.  ask your chem teacher.  in addition to this, the
market for styrofoam is what keeps pc'ers going.  without it, there
would be no plastics recycling.  your number 1 and 2 plastics get
recycled into 4's and 5's and 6's and 7's.  without the market for
those "evil" plastics, there would be no recycling in your community.
     that is one of many of my personal bad experiences with the pc
movement.  i am tired of listening to people yell at me about things i
do as if i don't understand their ramifications to the world.  there
are many shades of gray and i don't appreciate the way pc'ers have
turned politics into right and wrong, good and bad.  it's not so simple.
i am not part of a "backlash" (a great book by susan faludi which not
that many people have actually read...)  just because i feel it is my
duty to think about issues before i join some lemming-like procession
of people doesn't make me a reactionary.  i was at the march on
washington this year.  i will vote for the lesser evils.  i will fight
groups on my campus, such as njpirg, who parade around seeming to
represent "student rights" while lying to them and misrepresenting
facts.  activism is about fighting ignorance, and that means ignorance
on both sides of the equation.
mc
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date:         thu, 26 oct 1995 19:07:34 ewt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              indiana university <jshields@cluster.ucs.indiana.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         indiana university <jshields@cluster.ucs.indiana.edu>
subject:      dedicated....

        i don't know if any of you out there have heard the deadicated
(greatful dead) album, but the indigo girl's version of uncle john's band
is awesome.  if you reallylike the indigo girls it is in your best interests
to purchase this album.  even though there is only one song of theirs on
there, it is worth it!
        just thought i would tell you :)
jen
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date:         thu, 26 oct 1995 20:00:06 est
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              kapage <kapage@iusmail.ius.indiana.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         kapage <kapage@iusmail.ius.indiana.edu>
subject:      re: a native point of view. (nigc)

          to scott and all:
             thank you for your message!  i have spent most of my life
          in the west and will be moving back to nm soon.  i have
          always admired and found much beauty in the na culture, and
          it was great to hear the point of view of a na on the
          subject of team names.  i enjoyed reading  your thoughts and
          hope you will write more soon!
                              kimberly
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date:         thu, 26 oct 1995 20:31:14 +0600
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              jack mitchell <jamitch3@vt.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         jack mitchell <jamitch3@vt.edu>
subject:      re: the name thing...

>i agree with you rodney, on the "intimate strangers" name.  it's very
>inclusive, and doesn't require anything but the prerequisite of a passion
>for ig music.
>good idea.
>-jenn

one more vote for intimate strangers.  it just seems to describe the
relationship that people here on the list have.  i've been on the list for a
while now, and there are a good many people that i have "gotten to know"
through their various posts and/or on irc, but with one exception, i have
actually met none of you.  some of you have shared various personal stories
with the list like we were a bunch of old friends, yet most of us have never
met.  i just think that's one of the great things about this list, and that
the name intimate strangers fits it sooo well.

jack
________________________________________________________
jack mitchell
jamitch3@vt.edu
106 west eggleston hall
virginia tech
blacksburg, va 24060-0020
phone: (540) 232-6371
http://www.sv.vt.edu/mitchell/

if i could wish for my life to be perfect, it
would be tempting but i would decline, for
life would no longer teach me anything.

                         - allyson jones
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date:         fri, 27 oct 1995 01:30:44 +0100
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              fiona sanderson <fionas@rmplc.co.uk>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         fiona sanderson <fionas@rmplc.co.uk>
subject:      a name?

nomads?
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date:         thu, 26 oct 1995 13:43:15 edt
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              yen m tang <ymt2@lehigh.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         yen m tang <ymt2@lehigh.edu>
subject:      tmf interpretation

lorinda's interpretation of touch me fall has me worried. i mean, i totally
agree with her. in fact, i was thinking that maybe, just maybe, tmf's about
some hairstyle problem or maybe amy had a fight with her hairstylist before
this interpretion was posted. but what if all of ig's songs are shallow and
hollow? what if deep down inside, these two southern girls are just a bunch of
valley girls/mallrats? like, you know, they try to be hip and like bob dylan,
but, you know, they're just girls who wanna have fun. oh why have i been
wasting my time listening to this senseless music? hey, i got 13 ig cds to
auction off. any takers?

yen m tang
ymt2@lehigh.edu

"what i won't give to have the things that mean
the most not to mean the things i miss."
    --e.s. "language or the kiss"

(lorinda made me do it. i swear:)
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date:         thu, 26 oct 1995 11:30:58 -0700
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              kimberly nalder <klnalder@ucdavis.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         kimberly nalder <klnalder@ucdavis.edu>
subject:      i'd like to propose a new thread
x-to:         lorinda wright <lw01@lehigh.edu>
in-reply-to:  <199510242220.saa98979@ns4-1.cc.lehigh.edu>

ok, i think that an interesting thread would be names of other musicians
that chicken-girlie-heads might also like.  you know, maybe some
semi-obscure stuff.  i'd be interested in hearing about new (to me) music.

my list is as follows:

1. disappear fear
2. cheryl wheeler
3. new mongrels (featuring amy and emily)
4. dar williams
5. shawn colvin
6. nancy griffith
7. susan werner
8. mary chapin carpenter
9. kristin hall
10. counting crows

obviously, melissa goes without saying.

kim

                          /\/^\  /\/\  //\
kimberly nalder          /     \/  \ \/   \
political science        "as women connected to the earth, we are nurturing
ucd ta                and we are fierce, we are wicked and we are sublime.
(916)752-7106         the full range is ours." - terry tempest williams
/\/\/\/\/\/\/\//\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\//\
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date:         thu, 26 oct 1995 14:42:25 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              shampine@ll.mit.edu
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         shampine@ll.mit.edu
subject:      the pc agenda and what you can do to stop it (nigc!!!)

>you said i will agreee that the best kind of activism is informed activism.
>all i'm saying is that there is a lot of uninformed activism going on.  yes,

who says what constitutes an adequately informed opinion?  unfortunately, not
all of us are born knowing all the answers...most of us spend our whole lives
educating ourselves and being educated by others...how will we know when our
activism is sufficiently informed to participate in the political debate...i sure
hope you'll tell us.

>or the same political views.  part of the problem with politics today is
>that it is divided into good and bad.  i say that there are bad things about

the nature of politics has not changed since the dawn of time.  what has
changed is who has access to and given the right to contribute to the
political debate.  the greater the diversity of voices that are heard, the
better off we are.

>the pc movement and you label me reactionary.  i am a lesbian feminist
>socialist and anything but a reactionary.  my political views are complex and
>can't be pigeonholed.  i don't think anyone who thinks long and hard, who

first of all...what are you identifying as "the pc movement"?  i believe that
pc is a generic adjective that is applied to many diverse movements/people...pretty
much the only thing these movements/people have in common is that they are
"accused" of showing a heightened sensitivity to issues related to groups
of people who have generally been ignored in the political debate...

secondly...for someone who says her views can't be pigeon-holed, you sure
throw around an awful lot of labels...one of which is "pc".  you've labeled
yourself...lesbian feminist socialist.  labels we assume for ourselves are
fine...it's how we gain political identification with others who share similar
views...but the most important thing is to think for yourself...and be
sensitive to not discrediting other people's opinions by using a tired old
political label when it makes a lot more sense to address your differences
on the issue itself...

in other words, to dismiss a movement or line of reasoning because it is
"pc" and not because of the content of what is being articulated just
doesn't make a whole of sense.

>     that is one of many of my personal bad experiences with the pc
>movement.  i am tired of listening to people yell at me about things i

this is hysterically funny.  so these people are presumably card-carrying
members of the pc movement of america...well, i sure didn't see them at the
last national meeting...i love the way you throw around the term "pc"...the
whole presentation has an aura of paranoia about it...subsitute "un-american"
for "pc" and you'll see the overall effect you achieve.  i must admit though,
like you, i too have the tendency to dismiss anyone who doesn't agree with
me on certain issues as being just plain stupid.

>are many shades of gray and i don't appreciate the way pc'ers have
>turned politics into right and wrong, good and bad.  it's not so simple.

so you call yourself a "lesbian feminist socialist" and you don't believe
that there are some political stands which have moral implications...now
that's a new one...

>i am not part of a "backlash" (a great book by susan faludi which not
>that many people have actually read...)  just because i feel it is my

actually, i know many people who have read the book, cover-to-cover in hard
back no less...but they don't count...they're just "pc-ers".

>of people doesn't make me a reactionary.  i was at the march on
>washington this year.  i will vote for the lesser evils.  i will fight

...but i thought you said
>.......................i don't appreciate the way pc'ers have
>turned politics into right and wrong, good and bad.  it's not so simple.

how does evil figure in your end of the argument?

>groups on my campus, such as njpirg, who parade around seeming to
>represent "student rights" while lying to them and misrepresenting
>facts.  activism is about fighting ignorance, and that means ignorance
>on both sides of the equation.

yes...ignorance does tend to show up where you least expect it :)

lauree shampine
shampine@ll.mit.edu
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date:         thu, 26 oct 1995 18:17:18 -0700
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              jennifer lynn bean <beanjl@whitman.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         jennifer lynn bean <beanjl@whitman.edu>
subject:      re: the name thing...
x-to:         paula laine <plaine@seaccd.sccd.ctc.edu>
in-reply-to:  <pine.hpp.3.91.951026170024.21530a-100000@seaccd.sccd.ctc.edu>

good point.
-jenn

on thu, 26 oct 1995, paula laine wrote:

> on thu, 26 oct 1995, jennifer lynn bean wrote:
>
> > i agree with you rodney, on the "intimate strangers" name.  it's very
> > inclusive, and doesn't require anything but the prerequisite of a passion
> > for ig music.
> > good idea.
> > -jenn
> >
> yah but if i tell someone i'm an 'intimate stranger" they are not going
> to know what i'm talking about. someone tells you they're a deadhead
> than you know what they mean.
>
> paulal.
>
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date:         fri, 27 oct 1995 11:32:27 +1000
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              petite piquet <piquet@geko.com.au>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         petite piquet <piquet@geko.com.au>
subject:      re: the pc agenda and what you can do to stop it (nigc!!!)
in-reply-to:  <9510261442.aa21207@ll.mit.edu>

jeez.

take it to personal email please?

sherlyn

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
piquet the cat - piquet@geko.com.au; aka sherlyn koo - sherlyn@geko.com.au
"well life has a funny way of sneaking up on you when you think everything's
        okay and everything's going right...
and life has a funny way of helping you out when you think everything's gone
        wrong and everything blows up in your face..."
                        - alanis morissette, "ironic"
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date:         thu, 26 oct 1995 22:22:37 -0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              beth hoel <ehoel@haverford.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         beth hoel <ehoel@haverford.edu>
subject:      re: the pc agenda and what you can do to stop it (nigc!!!)
x-to:         petite piquet <piquet@geko.com.au>

would someone mind explaining to me what the above e-mail was trying to say?
=========================================================================
date:         thu, 26 oct 1995 21:28:35 ewt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              just call me norma ray <afiegle@cluster.ucs.indiana.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         just call me norma ray <afiegle@cluster.ucs.indiana.edu>
subject:      re: dedicated....

my old roommate last year was a major deadhead, and had the "deadicated"
cd....i was really impressed with the indigo girls' version of
"uncle john's band".  (god knows my roommate played the gd's version
waaaaaaayyyyy toooooo much....argh!)

anyway!  if you are an ig fan, get it--there are some other racks on there
too...(although i can't say i listened to any others!)  and esp. get it
if you are a dead fan...,.


my $.02


mandy
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date:         thu, 26 oct 1995 21:31:28 ewt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              just call me norma ray <afiegle@cluster.ucs.indiana.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         just call me norma ray <afiegle@cluster.ucs.indiana.edu>
subject:      re: tmf interpretation

touch me fall...about hair??  hmm....honestly, i've always thought the song
was a musical orgasm....but that's just me. =)
=========================================================================
date:         thu, 26 oct 1995 22:29:29 +0000
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              "james w." <jwilker@srvr.third-wave.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
comments:     authenticated sender is <jwilker@srvr.third-wave.com>
from:         "james w." <jwilker@srvr.third-wave.com>
subject:      re: i'd like to propose a new thread

my list:
1. bad religion
2. van halen (with david lee roth)
3. velvet underground
4. david garza - twang-twang-shock-aboom
5. 10,000 maniacs
6. twisted sister (another day and time, i admit)
7. ratt
8. melissa etheridge
9. guns 'n roses.

> ok, i think that an interesting thread would be names of other musicians
> that chicken-girlie-heads might also like.  you know, maybe some
> semi-obscure stuff.  i'd be interested in hearing about new (to me) music.
>
> my list is as follows:
>
> 1. disappear fear
> 2. cheryl wheeler
> 3. new mongrels (featuring amy and emily)
> 4. dar williams
> 5. shawn colvin
> 6. nancy griffith
> 7. susan werner
> 8. mary chapin carpenter
> 9. kristin hall
> 10. counting crows
>
> obviously, melissa goes without saying.
>
> kim
>
>                           /\/^\  /\/\  //\
> kimberly nalder          /     \/  \ \/   \
> political science        "as women connected to the earth, we are nurturing
> ucd ta                and we are fierce, we are wicked and we are sublime.
> (916)752-7106         the full range is ours." - terry tempest williams
> /\/\/\/\/\/\/\//\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\//\
>
>
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    james w.
     jwilker@third-wave.com
        caringosity killed the kerouac cat-
        sometimes truth is stranger than fiction
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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date:         thu, 26 oct 1995 22:36:32 +0000
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              "james w." <jwilker@srvr.third-wave.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
comments:     authenticated sender is <jwilker@srvr.third-wave.com>
from:         "james w." <jwilker@srvr.third-wave.com>
subject:      re: i'd like to propose a new thread

my list:
1. innocence mission (saw 'em twice at liberty lunch in austin, tx)
2. bad religion.
3. van halen (with david lee roth, none of that van hagar crap.)
4. david garza (& twang-twang-shock-aboom)
5. ratt
6.gin blossoms.
7. rem (the morose stuff like river, not this monster sh*t.)
8. nine inch nails (nin, for other fans)
9. enya.
10. velvet underground. (without that crappy model, what's-her-name.)
11. the soundtrack of grease, the movie. timeless stuff.

good thread!

> ok, i think that an interesting thread would be names of other musicians
> that chicken-girlie-heads might also like.  you know, maybe some
> semi-obscure stuff.  i'd be interested in hearing about new (to me) music.
>
> my list is as follows:
>
> 1. disappear fear
> 2. cheryl wheeler
> 3. new mongrels (featuring amy and emily)
> 4. dar williams
> 5. shawn colvin
> 6. nancy griffith
> 7. susan werner
> 8. mary chapin carpenter
> 9. kristin hall
> 10. counting crows
>
> obviously, melissa goes without saying.
>
> kim
>
>                           /\/^\  /\/\  //\
> kimberly nalder          /     \/  \ \/   \
> political science        "as women connected to the earth, we are nurturing
> ucd ta                and we are fierce, we are wicked and we are sublime.
> (916)752-7106         the full range is ours." - terry tempest williams
> /\/\/\/\/\/\/\//\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\//\
>
>
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    james w.
     jwilker@third-wave.com
        caringosity killed the kerouac cat-
        sometimes truth is stranger than fiction
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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date:         thu, 26 oct 1995 23:09:25 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              william norris <wnorris@soulcage.inmind.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         william norris <wnorris@soulcage.inmind.com>
subject:      re: i'd like to propose a new thread
in-reply-to:  <199510270233.waa05791@srvr.third-wave.com> from "james w." at
              oct 26, 95 10:36:32 pm

while i respect your list for its diveristy, (god knows, my own music
collection is best described as electic) i must take issue with some of the
things in here


> my list:

<a couple of intersitng bands, and some hair rock deleted>

> 7. rem (the morose stuff like river, not this monster sh*t.)

exqueeze me?  there are those of us here who are rejoicing at monster.
for me, this is the first rem album that sounds like the band i fell in
love with since they signed with warner bros.  i for one grew weary of
mr. stipe crooning his heart out and longed for some stomp and burn rock
and roll.  i may kill my radio the next time i hear,
"eeeeeevvvvrrrrrryyyyyyybbbbboooooodddddddyyyyyyyy hurts."


<trent's little project and cool, spacey celtic diva deleted>

> 10. velvet underground. (without that crappy model, what's-her-name.)

hey!  leave nico alone!!!!

<go, go, go, go greaed lightning deleted>


bill's current bands in heavy rotation in the cd player

10.  throwing muses (and i lower my head in mea cullpas for the slagging
i gave them in this very forum when they  opened for the igs at bucknell
a few years back)

9.  the latest belly

8.  elastica

7.  portishead

6.  kristen hall

5.  fairground attraction

4.  garbage

3.  the muffs

2.  new mongrels--one of the best accoustic releases in years, imho

1.  sarah mclaughlin


        most of these bands are a bit, well, louder, than the igs, but
i've been needing that sort of catharsis lately...if you like a punky
sound and harmonies, check out the muffs...they sometimes sound so goofy,
i giggle...

        portishead is one of my favorite releases in years, perfect
background music, and the garbage release is a delight and highly
recommened.

peace,
bill
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date:         thu, 26 oct 1995 23:30:41 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              michael reynolds <asl@gandalf.umcs.maine.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         michael reynolds <asl@gandalf.umcs.maine.edu>
subject:      re: dedicated....
in-reply-to:  <199510270225.vaa30248@cayman.ucs.indiana.edu> from "just call me
              norma ray" at oct 26, 95 09:28:35 pm

i *remember* that was the first tape i bought when i got my first job
(17, paperboy...) and it was really anticipated cus the dead did a
rainforest benefit show at madison square gardens (9-24-88) and a bunch of
people (suzanne vega and bruce hornsby come immediately to mind) i bought it
for hornsby's "jackstraw" (yes, i am a mega bruce fan, and if you get to see
him i *strongly* recommend it cus he has the same energy the ig's do live)
but a month or so later after the release abc broadcasted a special with
the dead, suzy v, and the ig's ...needless to say the ig's rocked and
they're song was widely played up here (besides jackstraw) this was in '91 i
think, before i was a drooling at the mouth obssessed go-head (course i have
cerebral palsy and i always drool, so i guess i am making fun of myself..)
not too politically correct but most pc stuff was determined by straight
white non-disabled rich proffessors at prestigeous ivy league schools...
besides, who the hell can use the term "differently abled" with a straight
face? i find the "pc term" much more offensive..
disabled, handicapped, crippled, tired, and babbling,
mike r.
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date:         thu, 26 oct 1995 23:35:55 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              andrea marie adrian <aadrian@college.antioch.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         andrea marie adrian <aadrian@college.antioch.edu>
subject:      re: i'd like to propose a new thread
in-reply-to:  <199510270233.waa05791@srvr.third-wave.com>

here goes my list:
1. melissa etheridge
2. paula cole
3. ani difranco
4. k.d. lang
5. tracy chapman
6. 10,000 maniacs
7. 4 non blondes
8. concrete blonde
9. sarah mclachlan
10. halcyon

there's much more but those are my favorites and i can't think, it's too
late at night. bye, andrea.
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date:         thu, 26 oct 1995 23:45:11 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              michael reynolds <asl@gandalf.umcs.maine.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         michael reynolds <asl@gandalf.umcs.maine.edu>
subject:      pc bitching explained...yest i pissed anyone off
in-reply-to:  <951026.171642.cdt.kbelew1@ua1vm.ua.edu> from "read mail" at oct
              26, 95 04:59:35 pm

just realized i might have inserted foot deeply in mouth, i didn't mean to
say i was anti pc, just the stupid "terminlogy" they have come up with, i
totally consider myself a part of the left, a minority, sensitive to
minority concerns (i am horrified about question 1 in maine, the anti gay
and everyone not assigned special status referendum)i also dont consider
"womyn" as part of pc terminology, seems to me it came from the feminist
movement. so i guess i ought to read more of my email before i hit reply
mike r.
ps. (igc) i got the latest mailing, with the pic and the ticket, put the pic
in my 1200 cd, opened my cd and the little red piece of plastic went flying
in my room....
*sigh* i probably will never see it again...
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date:         thu, 26 oct 1995 22:54:52 -0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              "dwayne d. jarrell" <djarrell@glaci.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "dwayne d. jarrell" <djarrell@glaci.com>
subject:      re: in search of more bootlegs :)
x-to:         rebecca <pmrlm1@gannonlab.gannon.edu>

>if anyone has the following shows...i"d love to get
>them!
>10-15-94  buffalo, ny

i have a copy of this one.  it's probably my most-copied boot in fact.  if
you are interested, email me privately, and i will give you my address to
send a tape and sase to.

:dwayne

dwayne jarrell (djarrell@ren.glaci.com)
"we have lingered in the chambers of the sea
by sea-girls wreathed with seaweed red and brown
till human voices wake us and we drown"
- t.s. eliot ("the love song of j. alfred prufrock")
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date:         fri, 27 oct 1995 00:25:41 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              smcgill818@aol.com
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         stephen mcgill <smcgill818@aol.com>
subject:      re: i'd like to propose a new thread

two cents on the new thread...
my list:

1.  melissa etheridge
2. elton john
3. tori amos
4. 10,000 maniacs/natalie
5. tom petty
6. sarah mclachlan
7. peter gabriel
8. the police/sting
9.  paul simon

congrats on a great thread!
stephen
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date:         fri, 27 oct 1995 00:23:49 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              nlyng@postoffice.ptd.net
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "(eric l. nerino)" <nlyng@postoffice.ptd.net>
subject:      identity crisis...

it seems to me that it would be impossible to classify the music, therefore
equally if not moreso impossible to collectively agree on an
"official"-unofficial fan designation......

the polarity in the music is well-represented by this crazy list.......

lets all be what we wanna be.....

if anyone's interested....e-mail me privately what you want to be
(put 'i'm a ......' in the subject line) and i'll tally the results and post...

:)

...eric
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date:         fri, 27 oct 1995 00:32:29 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              nlyng@postoffice.ptd.net
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "(eric l. nerino)" <nlyng@postoffice.ptd.net>
subject:      indigo 'down by the river'

....pulled this from the neil young list....thought is was interesting...

> it is a fantastic version on their live double cd.

>>yes!!!!!!!!  8-d  heard them do dbtr (and southern man and cortez) in concert,
>>loved it then and love it now!!!!!!  8-d
>>on indigo-girls@netspace.org, listers have been raving about this new cd
>>set since its release 10/10.  but as noise-to-signal ratio runs so high on
>>that high-volume list, i hadn't even read enough posts there lately to realize
>>that dbtr was on it!!

:)

.....eric
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date:         fri, 27 oct 1995 00:25:04 -0600
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              greg flamer <gflame@nwu.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         greg flamer <gflame@nwu.edu>
subject:      teresa's note makes rs--sort of

well we wanted ig to get more coverage in rolling stone--well some of us
did.  your wishes have come true in a weird way.  in the current issue
(11/16/95) on page 18 there is a page of letters to the editor.  no,
teresa's letter did not get printed.  however, if you look up at the blue
writing above the letters you will see the following:

could you people be more, like, random?  first, from out of left field,
we're bombarded with letters demanding more indigo girls stories.  "i'm
sorry that their measurements are not 30-20-36," teresa c. esguerra scoffs.
(wait a minute-30?  has your subscription to playboy lapsed?)

ouch!  at least they printed something.  rolling stone blows.  you go
teresa--you scoffer you.

oh and btw, there is no way i will ever concede to being called a "girlie".
get real!!  take care y'all

greg

!@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*!*
# greg m. flamer               northwestern university   @
* 819 forest ave. #2w          mfm520@lulu.acns.nwu.edu  $
& evanston, il  60202          gflame@nwu.edu            *
^                                                        &
&  "when you're learning to face the path at your pace,  $
$     every choice is worth your while"---emily saliers  @
#                                                        *
&  "when you learn to love yourself, you will dissolve    ^
@      all the stones that are cast"---amy ray           $
*                                                        &
!@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*%$
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date:         fri, 27 oct 1995 01:24:23 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              joellen ruvoli <jruvoli@nbc.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         joellen ruvoli <jruvoli@nbc.com>
subject:      new thread
in-reply-to:  <m0t8bv0-000kfgc@mail.infinet.com>

more obscure- but equally awesome

joan osborne
billy pilgrim
maria mckee
james mcmurtry
patty larkin
liz phair
sara hickman
5 chinese brothers
christine lavin
shonen knife
aimee mann
chris stamey
everything but the girl
doubting thomas
jack logan
crash test dummies (the early years)
voice of the beehive

-so much to hear, so little time
joellen


        because e-mail can be altered electronically,
        the integrity of this communication cannot be guaranteed.
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date:         fri, 27 oct 1995 00:35:13 -0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              lawyerman <eml@sky.net>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         lawyerman <eml@sky.net>
subject:      re: i'd like to propose a new thread
in-reply-to:  <951027002541_55674907@emout06.mail.aol.com>

i suppose i can bite on this thread. not in any particular order, bands and
other artists currently spinning in my cd player...

1. 10,000 maniacs/natalie merchant
2. uncle tupelo/son volt/wilco
3. blue mountain
4. the jayhawks
5. matthew sweet
6. elastica
7. shawn colvin
8. tina and the b-side movement
9. jennifer trynin
10. the innocence mission

lawyerman's world wide web page | calendar of kansas city area music
http://www.sky.net/~eml/        | http://www.sky.net/~eml/kcmusic.html
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date:         fri, 27 oct 1995 01:32:01 edt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              mr rodney s wicker <rucr57a@prodigy.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         mr rodney s wicker <rucr57a@prodigy.com>
subject:      names...

paula wrote:

>yah but if i tell someone i'm an 'intimate stranger" they are not
going
>to know what i'm talking about. someone tells you they're a
deadhead
>than you know what they mean.

the only reason you knew what a deadhead was was because by the time
you heard the term, the explanation had already spread.  if a non-ig
fan heard the term girlie, would that make any more sense to them
than initimate strangers or blue shadows?   think about the person
who thought of the term deadhead and the first time they said it to a
non-greatful dead fan.  the non-deadhead proabably gave that person
that look you give someone you think is mentally challenged.

i'm not picking on paula, i just think that whatever name we agree to,
we have to spread the definiton to the press, to new fans we come
across, and to family and friends, so that we become as well known as
deadheads!  we might run it by amy and emily to make sure they don't
hate it!!!

the point is that the name will make us a part of something we can
take pride in, so that when you tell non-ig fans, you take on an
identity, like you have an identity when you say you belong to the
north side bowling team or the friday night bridge club. see?

rodney wicker
rucr57a@prodigy.com
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date:         fri, 27 oct 1995 01:05:43 -0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              "lori l. collins" <lcollins@jaguar1.usouthal.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "lori l. collins" <lcollins@jaguar1.usouthal.edu>
subject:      nigc - listmember's music faves
in-reply-to:  <199510270401.aaa32180@netspace.org>

hi all:

music faves beside ig?

melissa ferrick                 beverly jo scott        ani defranco
disappear fear                  oleta adams             bonnie ratt
sarah mclachlan                 garth brooks            tracy chapman
mary-chapin carpenter           jackson browne          kentucky h'hunters
michelle malone                 kristen hall            reba
tori amos                       wendy bucklew           stevie ray vaughn
lacy j dalton                   melissa etheridge       wynonna

plus, pretty much any big band music...
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date:         fri, 27 oct 1995 03:59:13 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              jo norvelle walker <jo@pluto.njcc.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         jo norvelle walker <jo@pluto.njcc.com>
subject:      re: a name?
x-to:         fiona sanderson <fionas@rmplc.co.uk>

at 01:30 am 10/27/95 +0100, fiona suggested:
>nomads?


my father had a boat called the nomad -- and he was 1/4 cherokee.  he was a
nice guy, but no saint.


seriously, i think any name we might come up with must meet three criteria:

1.  have significant ig content.

2.  be odd enough to attract notice.

3.  not be so odd that boys, straight folks, vegetarians, whatever, would be
offended to be included.  "satanic lesbo road kill" just wouldn't cut it
(though it might make a swell name for a band, if it isn't already).


jo
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date:         fri, 27 oct 1995 01:28:37 -0700
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              "joy r. norton" <joyjoy@cs.ucsb.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "joy r. norton" <joyjoy@cs.ucsb.edu>
subject:      re: a name?
in-reply-to:  <199510270759.daa19059@pluto.njcc.com>

i agree with you jo, but than again there is always going to be some
word, phrase, etc that will offend someone, so where do we draw the line?

--joy

on fri, 27 oct 1995, jo norvelle walker wrote:

> at 01:30 am 10/27/95 +0100, fiona suggested:
> >nomads?
>
>
> my father had a boat called the nomad -- and he was 1/4 cherokee.  he was a
> nice guy, but no saint.
>
>
> seriously, i think any name we might come up with must meet three criteria:
>
> 1.  have significant ig content.
>
> 2.  be odd enough to attract notice.
>
> 3.  not be so odd that boys, straight folks, vegetarians, whatever, would be
> offended to be included.  "satanic lesbo road kill" just wouldn't cut it
> (though it might make a swell name for a band, if it isn't already).
>
>
> jo
>
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date:         fri, 27 oct 1995 20:20:51 +1000
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              andrew reid <andrewr@jolt.mpx.com.au>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         andrew reid <andrewr@jolt.mpx.com.au>
subject:      re: girlies?
x-to:         gina canali <gina@ovation.physics.yale.edu>
in-reply-to:  <9510261912.aa06022@ovation.physics.yale.edu>

on thu, 26 oct 1995, gina canali wrote:

> i'd prefer fortunate ones! or secondly, go-heads. girlies just seems
> to...i don't know....sugary(?) or something.
>
> gina
>

indiglands? indigons?

--
andrew reid            |"..it might be more accurate to suppose the castle had
andrewr@jolt.mpx.com.au|arrived at some compact with father time, agreeing to
                       |disagree over the inevitable decay of mortar and beam."
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date:         fri, 27 oct 1995 10:31:06 gmt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              mr neil hunt <ph21nh@surrey.ac.uk>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         mr neil hunt <ph21nh@surrey.ac.uk>
subject:      re: breaking curfew, and 1200 curfew song-mixing
x-to:         spencer@emily.cgrg.ohio-state.edu

hey :)

>anyone else on the list a frank zappa fan and appreciate the similarities
>of combining several different versions of songs to come up with one
>"track"? several of his later live releases --

fz is one guy i really should get into but have no clue where to start...

but there's a grateful dead release (and soon another, i believe) that is
a whole cd (like 75 minutes) worth of edits of one song (i think it's dark
globe, but i haven't got record collector on me to check) taken from over
20 years worth of performances of it, and over one hundred shows...so two
cd's of one song...

>add "broadway the hard
>way" to the mix and you've got *five* cds worth of material from his 1988
>tour. talk about prolific!)

i still say that if you took every song the girls performed over the swamp
ophelia tour, it'd fill four cd's...no problem. and add in a few more gems
like are on 1200 curfews, and you could make five :):)

i'd compile it. just needs the right person to ask me :):):):)

@}--,-'----
  |\/\/\/| neil hunt :)        'and he calls her the chocolate girl,
  |      |  wey 2/06             cause he thinks she melts when he touches her.
  |      |   surrey court         and she knows she's the chocolate girl,
  | (o)(o)    university of surrey cause she's broken up and swallowed,
  c      _)  guildford              and wrapped in bits of silver...'
  |   __|   surrey                   @}--,--'---
  |   /    gu2 5xh                   'i was only lyin'
/____\   england                      that's what liers do...'
/      \ +44 (0)1483 259393 ex. 4972    @}--,--'---
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date:         fri, 27 oct 1995 08:14:55 -0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              "anne,
              the respectibly hardworking undergrad" <astevens@smith.smith.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "anne,
              the respectibly hardworking undergrad" <astevens@smith.smith.edu>
subject:      re: (fwd) check this out/ sign your name by typing forward/

sorry you had so much trouble because you posted the petition, anna...

so much for trying to help the earth.

i'd like to point out, for the record, that there is a lot of discussion on
the list that hasn't got anything to do with indigo girls. so, to save myself
a continuos spam on my mailbox, i'll be leaving... i hope you all can confine
your discussion more in the future, though.

-anne

---*----*---*----*---*----*---*----**********----*---*----*---*----*---*----*---

   'it's wonderful to        anne elizabeth stevens       'the roots of
      be a little         smith college undergraduate   education are bitter,
  different, isn't it?'           class of 1998        but the fruit is sweet.'
      -gordon b. hinkley     astevens@angel.smith.edu         -aristotle

---*----*---*----*---*----*---*----**********----*---*----*---*----*---*----*---
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date:         fri, 27 oct 1995 08:52:19 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              "duane j. corpis" <djc6028@is2.nyu.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "duane j. corpis" <djc6028@is2.nyu.edu>
subject:      cd's for sale

i have a bunch of cd's that people on the list might be interested in
buying.  they are all in tip-top condition (barely played).

indigo girls
"watershed" cd single
(studio version, live version, and "all along the watchtower")
$5.00

indigo girls
"power of two" cd single
(power of two, dead man's hill, mystery, rockin' in the free world)
$5.00

ben & jerry's turn of the decade newport folk festival (1989-1990)
includes cuts by indigo girls (american tune), shawn colvin (cry like and
angel), and michelle shocked (ballad of penny evans), as well as lots more.
$7.00

ben & jerry's newport folk fest, '88 live
includes cuts by cheryl wheeler (half a book), patty larkin (step into
tje light), and shawn colvin (steady on), as well as lots more.
$7.00

dede vogt's the willing suspension of disbelief
$7.00

jen and lara's never home
$7.00

ferron's shadows on a dime
$7.00

peter, paul & mary's lifelines
$7.00

neil young's sleeps with angels
$7.00

if you are interested in these cd's, e-mail me at djc6028@is2.nyu.edu.  i
prefer checks and/or money orders.  i'll send the cd's upon payment.  all
prices include shipping and handling, so i think these are bargain prices.
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date:         fri, 27 oct 1995 09:39:00 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              scott zotigh <zotigh@usa.pipeline.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         scott zotigh <zotigh@usa.pipeline.com>
subject:      mail server problem. help!  (nigc)

t'aw-tso, everyone!!

here on pipeline usa we have been having mail server problems, so none our
mail has been coming through for the past few days. i would like to ask one
of you kind people who subscribe to the 'digest' form of the list if you
could please forward the digests from oct 22nd thru today. i think the mail
server is fixed now. if it is not, then the mail will bounce right back to
you.

sorry for wasting bandwidth.

ah-ho!  (thank you!)


scott zotigh
zotigh@usa.pipeline.com
zotigh@aol.com
kiowa
'|:")
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date:         fri, 27 oct 1995 06:35:30 -0700
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              "amy j. putnam" <pegasus@crl.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "amy j. putnam" <pegasus@crl.com>
subject:      related music to please your ears (and a bit of igc)

i'll bite on this one...there's some overlap from previous
lists but not all.  in no particualr order:

mary chapin carpenter           disappear fear
patty larkin                    jonatha brooke/the story
cheryl wheeler                  cliff eberhardt
carrie newcomer                 carol noonan
daring angels                   kristen hall
greg greenway                   lift
heidi berry                     suzanne vega

and there is a small picture of 4 voices in the nov/dec issue of
performing songwriter magazine, due out on newsstands by the end
of next week, in the article about joan baez.  kd lang is on the
cover.

happy friday!


amy p.                          /       who holds your hand
pegasus@crl.com                /        when you're alone
                              /
the original photo monk      /                  --patty larkin
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date:         fri, 27 oct 1995 09:29:00 edt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              sheri stanley <sstanley@infinet.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         sheri stanley <sstanley@infinet.com>
subject:      re: a note for guitarists
x-to:         lcollins@jaguar1.usouthal.edu

>lori..

well...i think you mentioned the one song that isn't at olga. you could
probably pop into rec.music.makers.guitar.tab and request the lyrics and
someone would have them. it may be at olga, but obviously not under the
indigo girls. in fact, i don't know what artist's name would include that
song..if not many artists...since "water is wide" is based on an old
traditional folk melody.

-sheri

a room without books
is a body without a soul
                -cicero
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date:         fri, 27 oct 1995 08:55:48 -0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              jamie suthard <suthardj@southwestern.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         jamie suthard <suthardj@southwestern.edu>
subject:      re: nigc - listmember's music faves
x-to:         "lori l. collins" <lcollins@jaguar1.usouthal.edu>
in-reply-to:  <pine.3.88.9510270022.a21395-0100000@jaguar1.usouthal.edu>

more favorites:

melissa ferrick
ani difranco
shawn colvin
disapear fear
girls in the nose
maria mckee
tracy chapman
everything but the girl


        jamie suthard

                "the closer we get, the harder the fall..."
                                        -- indigo girls

"a smooth, round stone...as small as the world, as large as alone."
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date:         fri, 27 oct 1995 10:14:42 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              the unkunfused <abrown2@zeus.towson.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         the unkunfused <abrown2@zeus.towson.edu>
subject:      re: the name game
in-reply-to:  <199510270401.aaa32180@netspace.org>

here's another vote for intimate strangers!!!  as some of you have
already suggested it describes "our" relationship perfectly.  as far as
no one knowing what it means  if we use it enough people will start to
catch on.  deadheads had to start somewhere too.

alexis
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date:         fri, 27 oct 1995 10:34:16 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              "mr. might-have-been" <pnorman@eclair.roanoke.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "mr. might-have-been" <pnorman@eclair.roanoke.edu>
subject:      re: (nigc) guitar advice
x-to:         nikki nahra <indigosgtr@aol.com>
in-reply-to:  <951025190543_132871242@emout05.mail.aol.com>

sorry to burst the takamine bubble but i have never played a takamine
that i like.  sometimes they are pretty but that's about it.  but they
are inexpensive good starters.  if you are looking for a guitar, don't
look for brand name.  maybe you will find a takamine with gorgeous tone
for under $300.  if you find one, get me one too.  just play everything.
find what you like.  and take care y'all... phil

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date:         fri, 27 oct 1995 10:38:37 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              "parker b. hamilton 99" <hamilton@panther.middlebury.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "parker b. hamilton 99" <hamilton@panther.middlebury.edu>
subject:      re: cd's for sale
x-to:         "duane j. corpis" <djc6028@is2.nyu.edu>
in-reply-to:  <pine.osf.3.91.951027085146.3866a-100000@is2.nyu.edu>

i would be interseted in either/ both of the "power of two" single, or
the b&j folk fest (the turn of the century one, with ig) if they are
still available.  please email with information, or a kind let-down
message.  thanks in advance.
parker hamilton
hamilton@midd-unix.middlebury.edu
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date:         fri, 27 oct 1995 10:45:27 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              mariner@earth.planet.net
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         mariner@earth.planet.net
subject:      girlies...not...
in-reply-to:  <199510270401.aaa32180@netspace.org>

bertin lefkovic <indigboy@eden.rutgers.edu> wrote:


>btw, i like girlies better than any of the other ideas.  most of them are
>just too long, and i don't want to call myself anything with the word chicken
>in it.  my friends are vegetarians and animal lovers, so i don't think they
>would appreciate it, and i care about how they feel.  anyway, it represents
>one song out of so many wonderful ones.  and it isn't even amy's best one.
>and i don't think the men or the feminists should have a problem with it.

and i don't prefer calling myself anything with the word "girlie" in it because
my friends are men and women, and i don't think they would appreciate it.  it's
funny how all the discussion this list has generated about labeling has failed
to sink in where it should.  we don't need more labels.  the names printed on
our mail should be enough.  somehow i feel that much of this "girlies" issue is
rooted in identity.  everyone one should be free to identify, and when you start
assigning names to the community all you really end up doing is alienating those
who feel that they don't belong.  and for those of you who are going to tell me
that i am waxing too much on a issue that was born of a light-hearted intention,
all i can say is look back on the messages generated by this topic.  i may not
be the most vocal member of this community, but i'd like to think that some of
my thoughts are shared by those who listen more than speak.

just an indigo girls fan,
  - - - -
     john a cogan                     aliases : coleridge or mariner
        mariner@earth.planet.net   http://www.planet.net/mariner
                 "a sadder and wiser man
                   he rose the morrow morn."
        -- rime of the ancient mariner
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date:         fri, 27 oct 1995 10:55:43 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              karen mcelhaney <km5@ornl.gov>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         karen mcelhaney <km5@ornl.gov>
subject:      braves

hi y'all-

just a question:  how come the girls aren't singing the national anthem at a
world series game in atlanta (i assume they're not, since i haven't heard
anything about it)?  seems like a great opportunity for atlanta.....

--------------------------
karen mcelhaney (email: km5@ornl.gov)
lockheed martin energy systems
bldg. 9102-1  rm 23  ms 8038
oak ridge,  tn  37831-8038
phone: (615) 576-6110
fax:   (615) 574-7879
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date:         fri, 27 oct 1995 09:56:19 -0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              jamie suthard <suthardj@southwestern.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         jamie suthard <suthardj@southwestern.edu>
subject:      re: the name game
x-to:         the unkunfused <abrown2@zeus.towson.edu>
in-reply-to:  <pine.ult.3.91.951027101239.22196c-100000@zeus.towson.edu>

i agree with the "intimate strangers" name, but i'm still kinda partial
to "iggies" myself.


        jamie suthard

                "the closer we get, the harder the fall..."
                                        -- indigo girls

"a smooth, round stone...as small as the world, as large as alone."
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date:         fri, 27 oct 1995 09:45:05 -0700
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              kraichert@directs.com
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         kira raichert <kraichert@directs.com>
subject:      re[2]: the name thing...

     i vote for lorida's:

     "enlightened chicken girlie go go girlie whirly-heads"

     and for your acquitences who aren't die-hard indigo fans, per lorida
     they are called:

     "non girlie fortunate iggie-go chicken head co-workers (friends, ect.)

     this is still the funniest thing i've ever heard :) thanks again
     lorinda :)

     kira =:)
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date:         fri, 27 oct 1995 11:01:42 edt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              "christopher m. becker" <cmbecker@space.mit.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "christopher m. becker" <cmbecker@space.mit.edu>
subject:      re: nigc - listmember's music faves
in-reply-to:  <pine.3.88.9510270022.a21395-0100000@jaguar1.usouthal.edu>; from
              "lori l. collins" at oct 27, 95 1:05 am

>
> hi all:
>
> music faves beside ig?

good thread =) (* == 'discovered' through the list)

  the nields            dar williams            gerard mchugh*
  susan werner          paul simon & garfunkel  disappear fear*
  rem                   the beatles             peter gabriel
  billy joel            alan parsons project    ellis paul
  michelle mallone*     jon svetky              elton john

        and many more....

if some of the names aren't familliar to you, it because they may be
from the boston club scene (especially check out jon--he rocks).

                                cheers,

                                  chris (who has crossed eyes trying
                                         to read the notes behind the liner
                                         notes on 12cc)


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date:         fri, 27 oct 1995 08:07:48 -0700
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              "amy j. putnam" <pegasus@crl.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "amy j. putnam" <pegasus@crl.com>
subject:      ig and the national anthem

i heard amy say at newport this year that they wont sing the
national anthem (it came up in the context of the upcoming
summer olympics) becuase it is too war-like.


amy p.                          /       who holds your hand
pegasus@crl.com                /        when you're alone
                              /
the original photo monk      /                  --patty larkin
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date:         fri, 27 oct 1995 10:23:29 -0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              "james c. driskell iii" <jcd0001@jove.acs.unt.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "james c. driskell iii" <jcd0001@jove.acs.unt.edu>
subject:      re: i'd like to propose a new thread....
x-to:         kimberly nalder <klnalder@ucdavis.edu>
in-reply-to:  <pine.sol.3.91.951026112043.21408a-100000@bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu>

hmmmmmmm.....

i guess that i too will bite on this thread.....and a good thread it
is...to see what other bands outside of indigo girls touch our souls and
speak to us in a special way. my friend says i have no definitive musical
taste, because my collection is made up of such vastly different types of
music, but i feel that all types of music have something to offer...you
just have to find the right bands.

my list of faves is as follows.

melissa etheridge         sara mclachlan           gin blossoms
counting crowes           10,000 maniacs           tyketto
led zeppelin              queen                    the police & sting
rem                       alanis morrisette        the who

there are several other favorites...but i do not wish to get long
winded...it is sufficeint to say that i love music...period. and that i
can find many bands that have songs out there that i can relate to.
peace, love, and fried chicken....

standing on the edge of forever....

jim
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date:         fri, 27 oct 1995 10:44:34 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              "mr. might-have-been" <pnorman@eclair.roanoke.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "mr. might-have-been" <pnorman@eclair.roanoke.edu>
subject:      re: i'd like to propose a new thread
x-to:         kimberly nalder <klnalder@ucdavis.edu>
in-reply-to:  <pine.sol.3.91.951026112043.21408a-100000@bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu>

try these out too!

billy pilgrim
shawn mullins
matthew kahler
millan & kenzie
old river road
the story

sorry to sound like an atlanta freak, but i am, so there.  phil
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                                              i'm a proud man of sorts.."
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date:         fri, 27 oct 1995 11:39:35 est
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              lisa grandjean <lisag@charity.trinityvt.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         lisa grandjean <lisag@charity.trinityvt.edu>
organization: trinity college of vermont
subject:      re: cd's for sale
x-to:         "parker b. hamilton 99" <hamilton@panther.middlebury.edu>

i have a power of two single and if you go to middlebury college, i'm
not that far away from you. i also have an indigo girls pin that came
with the single. are you looking for the cd or tape? i have the tape.
i go to trinity college of vermont in burlington. i'm looking forward
to hear from you. if you're ever in burlington, you must go to vibes
music on church street because they have a lot of indigo girls music
and they're willing to help you look for hard to find things. if you
want it, i have the number in my dorm.
                                                    lisa
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date:         fri, 27 oct 1995 11:43:51 est
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              lisa grandjean <lisag@charity.trinityvt.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         lisa grandjean <lisag@charity.trinityvt.edu>
organization: trinity college of vermont
subject:      re: braves
x-to:         karen mcelhaney <km5@ornl.gov>

i couldn't agree more. indigo girls deserve such a distinct honor.
they have done so much to help out so many charities in atlanta, it
is time to pay tribute to all they have done!
                                                    lisa
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date:         fri, 27 oct 1995 12:16:42 edt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              lorinda wright <lw01@lehigh.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         lorinda wright <lw01@lehigh.edu>
subject:      re: new thread
x-to:         joellen ruvoli <jruvoli@nbc.com>

no one's mentioned james taylor!
we can't leave out james. (sweet baby james :)

and i've only seen one vote for michelle malone, and none for band de soliel
so add those and kristen hall, and catie curtis, and laura love band.


folkisgruven,
lorindigo

iwillnotbecomplacentiwillnotbecomplacentiwillnotbecomplacentiwillnotbecomplac
w                                                                           e
i lorinda wright           "learn to pretend there's more than love that    n
l lw01@lehigh.edu           matters. -e.s.                                  t
l lehigh university                                                         i
n bethlehem, pa                                                             w
o                        "a ghost of comfort, angel's breath to keep this   i
t                         life inside my chest." -a.r.                      l
b                                                                           l
e      "a thousand guitar strings - amy ; two guitar strings - emily        n
c                                                                           o
omplacentiwillnotbecomplacentiwillnotbecomplacentiwillnotbecomplacentiwillnot
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date:         fri, 27 oct 1995 12:01:37 edt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              lorinda wright <lw01@lehigh.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         lorinda wright <lw01@lehigh.edu>
subject:      re: tmf interpretation
x-to:         just call me norma ray <afiegle@cluster.ucs.indiana.edu>

>touch me fall...about hair??  hmm....honestly, i've always thought the song
>was a musical orgasm....but that's just me. =)
>

wow. now that is well put.

ok, so it's about that....and hair. :)

folkisgruven,
l-

iwillnotbecomplacentiwillnotbecomplacentiwillnotbecomplacentiwillnotbecomplac
w                                                                           e
i lorinda wright           "learn to pretend there's more than love that    n
l lw01@lehigh.edu           matters. -e.s.                                  t
l lehigh university                                                         i
n bethlehem, pa                                                             w
o                        "a ghost of comfort, angel's breath to keep this   i
t                         life inside my chest." -a.r.                      l
b                                                                           l
e      "a thousand guitar strings - amy ; two guitar strings - emily        n
c                                                                           o
omplacentiwillnotbecomplacentiwillnotbecomplacentiwillnotbecomplacentiwillnot
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date:         fri, 27 oct 1995 12:09:28 edt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              free the chickens! <creechal@cc.emu.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         free the chickens! <creechal@cc.emu.edu>
organization: eastern mennonite university
subject:      what's in a name?

i like intimate strangers.  good idea (who ever thought of it)!

anna

********
"there are two means of refuge from the miseries of life:
music and cats."       -albert schweitzer
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date:         fri, 27 oct 1995 12:30:48 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              pst4@aol.com
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         sue orsillo <pst4@aol.com>
subject:      re: tmf interpretation

no, no, no, that was ig in a previous life.  didnt you see the galileo video
in which amy discloses to us that she was beautiful and mindless and it was
fun (or somthing to that effect).
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date:         fri, 27 oct 1995 12:41:39 gmt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              wingstar@mulberry.com
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         pat stark <wingstar@mulberry.com>
subject:      re: i'd like to propose...

cool idea.  i figured i would throw in my list (or at least a portion)

melissa ethridge        maura o'connell         mary chapin carpenter
loreena mckennit        k.d. lang               kathy mattea
sarah maclachlan        enya                    patsy cline

etc. etc. etc...

have a good weekend y'all
pat
wingstar@mulberry.com

                "adding up the total of a love that's true
                   multiply life by the power of two"
                               es

                  "nobody gets a life time rehersal
                  as specks of dust we're universal"
                               es
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date:         fri, 27 oct 1995 16:50:22 -0700
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              graham hewitt <gh18798@ggr.co.uk>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         graham hewitt <gh18798@ggr.co.uk>
organization: grd
subject:      http://ukw3s1.ggr.co.uk/

hi y'all

good thread.

here's mine iin no particcular order. each week i'd probably give a
different answer depending on my mood but these are the artists who seem
to be on my tape/cd/mind most often:

joni mitchell (haven't seen this influential one listed elsewhere yet?)
rikkie lee jones
martin stephenson and the daintees
nanci griffiths
rem (esp. reckoning/green era)
springsteen (so he's macho, so what!)
lloyd cole (good lyrics)
mellencamp (macho, but love that country twang!)
levellers (good attitude)


okay, i know, there's only 9. i'll think of a 10th over the weekend.
maybe jerry burns?

somebody told me to buy kennnedy rose and that if i liked the indys i'd
like them. not true.


this thread made me think of another thread, how about dj's descriptions
of the ig's?

i recently heard some dj who'd clearly never heard of them before
(they're not big in the uk) describe them as "female simon & garfunkle".
a bit prehistoric in my opinion.

as to what we should be called i like "indig" (plural; indigs). as in
infra-dig but shorter.


i'm going.


adios,

gag
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date:         fri, 27 oct 1995 13:05:34 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              strangefire <mccranie@ewirb-wr.robins.af.mil>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         strangefire <mccranie@ewirb-wr.robins.af.mil>
subject:      re: i'd like to propose...

wow, i love this thread. i have heard of so many artists on this
list. usually i hear about a new band/musician from the list and
i go to the store and buy it. i haven't been disappointed yet!!

so, here goes my list:
band de soleil
sarah mclachlan
paula cole
ani difranco
caroline aiken
wendy bucklew
joan armatrading
melissa ferrick
everything but the girl
shawn colvin
kate bush

please keep the suggestions coming!!!!!
-sherry
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date:         fri, 27 oct 1995 13:00:42 edt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              "jennifer l. holt" <jh9882a@american.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "jennifer l. holt" <jh9882a@american.edu>
organization: the american university
subject:      re: i'd like to propose a new thread
x-to:         andrea marie adrian <aadrian@college.antioch.edu>
in-reply-to:  message of thu, 26 oct 1995 23:35:55 -0400 from
              <aadrian@college.antioch.edu>

glad to hear there's someone else out there who knows concrete blonde!  first
heard the song "god is a bullet" about 6 years ago, and immediately went out
to buy "free"
jen
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date:         fri, 27 oct 1995 13:13:25 est
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              lisa grandjean <lisag@charity.trinityvt.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         lisa grandjean <lisag@charity.trinityvt.edu>
organization: trinity college of vermont
subject:      re: http://ukw3s1.ggr.co.uk/
x-to:         graham hewitt <gh18798@ggr.co.uk>

i think indigs is a great name! i'm an indig he's and indig you can
be an indig too!!!
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date:         fri, 27 oct 1995 13:17:35 edt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              "jennifer l. holt" <jh9882a@american.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "jennifer l. holt" <jh9882a@american.edu>
organization: the american university
subject:      re: breaking curfew, and 1200 curfew song-mixing
x-to:         mr neil hunt <ph21nh@surrey.ac.uk>
in-reply-to:  message of fri, 27 oct 1995 10:31:06 gmt from
              <ph21nh@surrey.ac.uk>

neil, where does that "chocolate girl" quote come from?
jen
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date:         fri, 27 oct 1995 10:20:27 -0700
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              "scott r. learned" <learnesr@whitman.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "scott r. learned" <learnesr@whitman.edu>
subject:      re: http://ukw3s1.ggr.co.uk/
in-reply-to:  <19582.199510271653@mailhub.ggr.co.uk>

on fri, 27 oct 1995, graham hewitt wrote:

> this thread made me think of another thread, how about dj's descriptions
> of the ig's?
>
> i recently heard some dj who'd clearly never heard of them before
> (they're not big in the uk) describe them as "female simon & garfunkle".
> a bit prehistoric in my opinion.
>

i am a dj for whitman college's radio station, kwcw in walla walla, wa.
i had just finished an indigo girls block one day and i got a call from a
guy who informed me that i should "quit playing that country crap."  i
came back on the air after that and thanked the guy for his opinion and
then started a second indigo girls block (by request, of course).  i hope he
enjoyed it...  :-)

you will note here that of the reports i've seen of kwcw's most played
groups each week, indigo girls is always among the top five...

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whitman college          or    1411 n. 24th st.
walla walla, wa 99362          boise, id 83702
(509) 527-5689                 (208) 345-4885
hello from walla walla!!!
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date:         fri, 27 oct 1995 13:22:56 est
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              lisa grandjean <lisag@charity.trinityvt.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         lisa grandjean <lisag@charity.trinityvt.edu>
organization: trinity college of vermont
subject:      re: i'd like to propose a new thread
x-to:         "jennifer l. holt" <jh9882a@american.edu>

yes granted concrete blonde is cool, indigo girls are still and
forever will be the best!! the song everybody knows is awesome!
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date:         fri, 27 oct 1995 13:21:41 edt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              "jennifer l. holt" <jh9882a@american.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "jennifer l. holt" <jh9882a@american.edu>
organization: the american university
subject:      re: nigc - listmember's music faves
x-to:         jamie suthard <suthardj@southwestern.edu>
in-reply-to:  message of fri, 27 oct 1995 08:55:48 -0500 from
              <suthardj@southwestern.edu>

everyone else is reporting who their favorite musicians are. i just want to men
tion one because my list would overlap.  gravity's pull is a band based in
chapel hill, nc, and i want to recommend them, although they're probably hard
to find, unless you catch them in concert in north carolina.  all my gp cd's
were bought at concerts, so i don't know if you can find them in stores.  also
dillon fence, now available.
happy listening!
and here's another vote for disappear fear!
jen
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date:         fri, 27 oct 1995 11:02:26 -0700
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              jennifer nannini <jlnannin@uci.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         jennifer nannini <jlnannin@uci.edu>
subject:      finally! a name!

hey!
i dig the name "indigs"  ( ohhhh, that was too corney to pass up!).  indigs
has got my vote, simple, short, nongender-specific.  yeehaw!
jenn
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date:         fri, 27 oct 1995 13:04:39 -0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              michelle miklya <michelle.a.miklya@uwrf.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         michelle miklya <michelle.a.miklya@uwrf.edu>
subject:      music

my list:
1. sarah mclachlin
2. big head todd and the monsters
3. tracy chapman
4. alanis morrisette
5. hole
6. the replacements
7. mazzy star (when you're in the right mood)
8. u2
9. the cure
10.the cranberries

weird list, but all have great lyrics!

michelle
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date:         fri, 27 oct 1995 11:19:04 -0700
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              miranda detore <inxsive@u.washington.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         miranda detore <inxsive@u.washington.edu>
subject:      re: girlies?
x-to:         andrew reid <andrewr@jolt.mpx.com.au>
in-reply-to:  <pine.sun.3.91.951027201954.9659a-100000@jolt>

on fri, 27 oct 1995, andrew reid wrote:

> on thu, 26 oct 1995, gina canali wrote:
>
> > i'd prefer fortunate ones! or secondly, go-heads. girlies just seems
> > to...i don't know....sugary(?) or something.

"go-heads?"  i'm sorry, but to me, that really sounds dumb!  intimate
strangers really defines most of us.  it fits!

i think the girls would like it too!

miranda
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date:         fri, 27 oct 1995 11:20:34 -0700
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              miranda detore <inxsive@u.washington.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         miranda detore <inxsive@u.washington.edu>
subject:      re: cd's for sale
x-to:         "duane j. corpis" <djc6028@is2.nyu.edu>
in-reply-to:  <pine.osf.3.91.951027085146.3866a-100000@is2.nyu.edu>

hi.  i'm interested in your watershed disc,
pleeeeease!!

miranda
=========================================================================
date:         fri, 27 oct 1995 14:30:16 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              "lori h. levy" <llevy03@emory.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "lori h. levy" <llevy03@emory.edu>
subject:      muppets live! (a new thread?)

hi y'all,

i just read that jim henson productions has just signed a deal with abc
to produce a new muppet show called "muppets live!" (with all your
favorite muppet characters plus some new ones).  according to the
article, it'll be similar to the old muppet show in that it's going to be
a half-hour comedy-variety show -- with weekly guest stars!

so i was thinkin'... wouldn't it be great if a&e were to appear as guests?
what song would you want them to perform and with which characters?  (my
copy of k.d. lang singing "i love trash" is one of my prized possessions :)

emily singing "bein' green" with kermit?  (she is "green," after all, at
least behind the ears...)
amy singing "mah na mah na" with animal?  (or didn't she say somewhere
that she identified most with cookie monster?)

anyway, i know we had a muppet thread like this a while back, and i hate
to bring it up again in the midst of all these other new threads, but i
couldn't resist because now it's actually within the realm of possibility...

i just wish jim henson were still around, dammit.  :(

lori
llevy03@emory.edu
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date:         fri, 27 oct 1995 11:28:50 -0700
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              miranda detore <inxsive@u.washington.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         miranda detore <inxsive@u.washington.edu>
subject:      re: braves
x-to:         lisa grandjean <lisag@charity.trinityvt.edu>
in-reply-to:  <93d2704c03@charity.trinityvt.edu>

on fri, 27 oct 1995, lisa grandjean wrote:

> i couldn't agree more. indigo girls deserve such a distinct honor.
> they have done so much to help out so many charities in atlanta, it
> is time to pay tribute to all they have done!
>                                                     lisa
>
bty, i don't think the girls could sing in front of two teams with names
that trivialize the people they have worked so hard to protect.

miranda
=========================================================================
date:         fri, 27 oct 1995 13:32:32 -0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              brooke j primont <bprimon@mailhost.tcs.tulane.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         brooke j primont <bprimon@mailhost.tcs.tulane.edu>
subject:      re: tmf interpretation
x-to:         just call me norma ray <afiegle@cluster.ucs.indiana.edu>
in-reply-to:  <199510270230.vaa31258@roatan.ucs.indiana.edu>

a musical orgasm!!! yes, yes, yes!

on thu, 26 oct 1995, just call me norma ray wrote:

> touch me fall...about hair??  hmm....honestly, i've always thought the song
> was a musical orgasm....but that's just me. =)
>
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date:         fri, 27 oct 1995 14:48:31 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              gkemp@eng.clemson.edu
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         greg kemp <gkemp@eng.clemson.edu>
organization: clemson university ilp laboratory
subject:      1,667 miles of ig!

hey y'all!

i've returned from my vacation, a horking long road trip back to the
midwest to visit the relations and just get away from my research.

naturally, ig provided theme music for the trip.  i discovered, along
the way, that my little pooch (ginger the amazing dancing wonder dog)
has a definite preference for ig.  i tried to slip a john gorka tape
in, and she growled at the tape deck!  with ig playing, she sat quietly
and looked out the window.  so, we had 1,667 miles of pure ig!  it was
a good trip.

if you're waiting for a tape from me, please be patient.  a few
unpleasant surprizes were waiting for me when i returned, and it may
take a few days to sort everything out.

proud to be an indig,

--

greg kemp
gkemp@ces.clemson.edu
"would you trade your words for freedom?"
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date:         fri, 27 oct 1995 15:03:27 est
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              rob_sticka@ccmail.gsfc.nasa.gov
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         rob sticka <rob_sticka@ccmail.gsfc.nasa.gov>
subject:      everything's alright - jcs - guitar music

this is what i figured out for "everything's alright" from the jesus christ
superstar - a resurrection cd.  beautifully sung by amy and emily (and michael
lorant).  emily does not play the guitar on this version however.  i pulled the
lyrics from a www site and they may not be precise.

opening

---0----0------------
---0----0--2-2-------
-0-1--0-1--2-2-------
-0-2--0-2--2-2-------
-0-2--0-2--0-0-------
---------------------

downstroke the open g, d, a strings and upstroke the e chord (you probably just
need to play the e, b, g strings when you upstroke).  downstroke the a chord
twice.

this sounds great on a clean sounding electric guitar.

during the verses, i recommend the following chord locations:

e - 7th fret
b - 7th fret
c#m - 4th fret
a - fifth fret
c - 3rd fret
d - fifth fret
g - third fret
f# - ninth fret

                              b      c         d    e        f#   g  a  b
some exceptions:  during the "matter more than your feet and hair" part, keep
moving the bar chord up the neck - b 2nd fret, c third fret, d fifth fret, e
seventh fret, f# ninth fret, g tenth fret, a twelfth fret, b fourteenth fret.

with a regular acoustic, you may not be able to reach those frets so play them
in a more convenient location on the fretboard.

if you're playing an electric, do not strum entire chords - strum the middle 4
strings on the "a" type of chord fingering and the lower 4 strings on the "e"
type of chord fingering.

if there are any corrections, please let me know.

enjoy!

everything's alright (andrew lloyd webber and tim rice)


e                       b                     c#m                     a
try not to get worried, try not to turn on to problems that upset you oh

                opening part repeated several times
don't you know everything's alright yes everything's fine


let the world turn without you tonight


if we try we'll get by so forget about all us tonight


everything's alright, yes, everything's fine


e                           c
woman your fine ointment -- brand new and expensive

e                                    b  e (open low e string - not whole chord)
could have been saved for the poor

e                            c
why has it been wasted -- we could have raised maybe

e
three hundred silver pieces or more

c              a  d    g              e  c
people who are hungry, people who are starving

d      c         d    e        f#    g   a   b
matter more than your feet and hair


sleep and i shall soothe you, calm you and annoint you
myrrh for your hot forehead oh
don't you know everything's alright yes everything's fine
and it's cool and the ointment's sweet
for the fire in your head and feet
close your eyes, close your eyes and relax, think of nothing tonight
everything's alright, yes, everything's fine

surely you're not saying we have the resources
to save the poor from their lot?
there will be poor always, pathetically struggling
look at the good things you've got!
think! while you still have me
move! while you still see me
you'll be lost
you'll be so sorry
when i'm gone
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date:         fri, 27 oct 1995 15:18:25 est
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              lisa grandjean <lisag@charity.trinityvt.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         lisa grandjean <lisag@charity.trinityvt.edu>
organization: trinity college of vermont
subject:      re: 1,667 miles of ig!
x-to:         greg kemp <gkemp@eng.clemson.edu>

    greg:  i totally understand your pet thing!!! i know it sounds
silly, but my fish also prefer the music of amy and emily to anyone
else. she dances aroung in circles everytime i put them in the
player. she also likes the animaniacs cd. i think that is because of
the high pitch sounds. your dog sounds wonderful! i wish trinity
would allow pets other than fish and turtles!! what tapes do you have?
my favorite musicians include:
tori amos
10.000 maniacs
phil collins
james taylor
paul simon
genesis
journey

is the song back together again on any released album? i"m still
searching for purple parrot as well as the newport jazz festival
tape. if blue food is out there, i would also be interested in that
as well. does anyone have the closer to fine single??? i'm interested
in the aussieversion if possible. i hope to hear back from some
knowledgable people who can assist me in my search. thank you!!!
=========================================================================
date:         fri, 27 oct 1995 15:16:11 edt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              cory shull <cws8q@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         cory shull <cws8q@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu>
subject:      you name it

i don't write much, so here's a bunch of topics:

--- as for the list of groups a&e would like:  billy pilgrim has come up a
few times and i am 100% positive they would love him.  someone mentioned kate
bush...bonk!!!  not in a 100 years!  but nobody has mentioned todd snider.
anybody listen to him?

--- about this pc stuff....who cares?  i subscribed to the list to hear about
the ig, not about that sort of stuff.  i would appreciate it if you kept that
to yourself, or else go find a pc mailing list.

--- "indigs" is my choice.  in fact it is, to date, the only one i would even
consider using.  we're spending way too much time arguing over such a trivial
item.

                                     - cory shull
                                       university of virginia
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date:         fri, 27 oct 1995 15:38:01 -0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              maggie poulos <me_poulos@acad.fandm.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         maggie poulos <me_poulos@acad.fandm.edu>
subject:      re: i'd like to propose a new thread
x-to:         william norris <wnorris@soulcage.inmind.com>

hey all, just couldn't help adding to your new music thread:)
1. innocence mission-a local band for me, glow is *amazing*
2. ani difranco-ask anyone who saw her at newport
3. joan osborne-incredible
4. june rich-a philadelphia based band....destined for great things..
5. edie brickell..old and new stuff
6. the jayhawks-newport:)
7. michelle malone- new experience...
8. rusted root
9. toad the wet sprocket
10.  anything by tori amos ( although she hasn't released her new album
yet, she's still amazing:)
  -maggie

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
&                                                                           &
&    "years go by will i still be waiting for someboby else to understand   &
&                                     -tori amos                            &
&                                                                           &
&            "sitting in the sun waiting for life to begin                  &
&               looking for a sign where it starts and where it ends"       &
&                               -michelle malone                            &
&                                                                           &
&          "how come you say that's the way it is                           &
&           why don't you decide for yourself                               &
&           what you can do and what you can say"                           &
&                        -ani difranco                                      &
&                                                                           &
&           "and you live your life with arms reached out                   &
&            eye to eye when speaking                                       &
&            enter rooms with great joy shouts                              &
&            happy to be meeting"                                           &
&             -the innocence mission                                        &
&                                                                           &
&     "my being has been affected in ways i'll never be able to articulate" &
&                            -amy ray                                       &
&                                                                           &
&                     maggie e.poulos                                       &
&                     me_poulos@acad.fandm.edu                 *            &
&                        bkrbkr@aol.com                      ~m&f~
&
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~~
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date:         fri, 27 oct 1995 12:27:50 -0700
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              moj <moj@crl.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         moj <moj@crl.com>
subject:      re: everything's alright - jcs - guitar music
in-reply-to:  <9509278148.aa814831371@ccmail.gsfc.nasa.gov> from "rob sticka"
              at oct 27, 95 03:03:27 pm

i uploaded this to the indie music ftp site (address in .sig) - just a
reminder that this site does exist and still needs input from all you
talented musicians and transcribers!

peace,
stacie
              ,------------------------------------------------------------.
\|/ ____ \|/ | moj's plan: to keep creating web pages and ftp sites until |
  @~/ ,. \~@  |             i exceed my allotted disk space :)             |
/_( \__/ )_\ _)-----------------------------------------------------------'
    \__u_/                    e-mail: moj@crl.com

  house o' moj:               http://www.crl.com/~moj/
  adoption options:           http://www.crl.com/~moj/adoption/adoption.html
  fruitopian life:            http://www.crl.com/~moj/fruitopia/fruit.html
  melrose space:              http://www.crl.com/~moj/melrose/mp.html
  wondervan:                  http://www.america.net/~wndrgirl/
  main ftp directory:         ftp.crl.com /users/mo/moj
  indie chords & tabs:        /music/(city)/(artist_name)
  atlartists list archives:   /lists/atlartists
  moj's bootlists:            /bootlegs
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date:         fri, 27 oct 1995 15:12:36 est
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              rob_sticka@ccmail.gsfc.nasa.gov
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         rob sticka <rob_sticka@ccmail.gsfc.nasa.gov>
subject:      sigma guitars - nigc

someone mentioned sigma as a martin guitar.  it's true that martin markets this
line of guitars but i think these are built in japan or korea.  i've played only
one and it sounded great to me (check out "crazy game" from indicated ii - that
was a sigma guitar!).

i figure if martin stands behind it, it's probably a good guitar for the money.

for beginners, be prepared to spend $200-$300 for a decent beginner's guitar.
if you buy a cheapo guitar, you'll soon regret it (i'm speaking from
experience!).  guitar necks can warp and a guitar out of tune will wreak havoc
with your sanity.  there is a tremendous amount of tension on the neck of a
guitar and, over time, can warp it.  cheap guitars can sound fine at first but
may suck after 1-2 years.

rob
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date:         fri, 27 oct 1995 15:05:29 cdt
reply-to:     ldaffner@convex.convex.com
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         larry 'daffy' daffner <ldaffner@muirwood.convex.com>
subject:      long .signature files...

y'all, i think it's great that you have so many favorite quotes and
want to share them, but the long .sigs are getting really obnoxious.
nettiquite guidlines generally recommend 4 lines for a .sig, which is
plenty for a quote, some personal info, and sometimes even other
stuff, if you work it right.  if you've got several quotes you want to
share, you could make a revolving .signature (i have a script that
changes the quote on my .sig everytime i send mail, f'rinstance) but
please cut down the signatures.  the mail itself from this list takes
up enough bandwith/spool/mailbox space.

my 2 coppers

-larry

#
----
larry daffner - software engineer | email: ldaffner@convex.com               |
convex computer corporation       | tel: (214)497-4274 / home: (214)380-4382 |
it's better to be silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all
doubt.  --abraham lincoln
=========================================================================
date:         sat, 28 oct 1995 05:28:51 +0800
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              glee <b3102097@cc.ntu.edu.tw>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         glee <b3102097@cc.ntu.edu.tw>
subject:      can't resist this...
in-reply-to:  <199510271927.aa01247@crl5.crl.com>

hello all; my favorites besides ig:

sinead o'connor
prince
k.d. lang
peter gabriel
bonnie raitt
joni michell
bob dylan
u2
sade
kate bush
tori amos
billy joel
gavin <---oh that's my name:)
=========================================================================
date:         fri, 27 oct 1995 14:48:48 edt
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              howard barlow/ssi1 <howard_barlow/ssi1.ssi1@notes-gw.tus.ssi1.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         howard barlow/ssi1 <howard_barlow/ssi1.ssi1@notes-gw.tus.ssi1.com>
subject:      re: i'd like to propose a new thread

hi everyone,
i have been following this thread and was thinking that a couple of
groups that should be mentioned here are the grateful dead and
phish.

both bands have a large community or cult following of fans.  the
indigo girls have a very similar, but unique draw.  since we are looking
for a name to identify ourselves similar to deadheads and phisheads,
it seem only appropriate to mention them.

i would also like to mention bob dyan.  he as taken folk music a
long way and should mentioned in this thread.

cya,
- - howdy...
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date:         fri, 27 oct 1995 15:03:06 -0700
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              carrie christine brogoitti <carrieb@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         carrie christine brogoitti <carrieb@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
subject:      re: i'd like to propose a new thread
x-to:         kimberly nalder <klnalder@ucdavis.edu>
in-reply-to:  <pine.sol.3.91.951026112043.21408a-100000@bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu>

okay, i just had to use this opportunity to plug some of my favorite
artists that some of you may not have heard of...won't mention my
other favorites cause it seems like us ig fans share very similar musical
tastes.  :):)

babes with axes...a eugene, oregon based group of 4 women who also sing
by themselves. when they get together they play each others songs, all
have different folky styles so the combination is killer. laura kemp, t.r.
kelly, debbie deitrich(sp), and katie henry are the members.

team dresh...lesbonic music at its best...if you have any interest at all
in grrrl bands you have to check this band out. these kick ass dykes are
from portland, oregon and they also appear on an amazing interactive self
defense disc called "free to fight" put out by their label candy ass.

thanks for letting me share. if you want any more info on these bands
please email me privatly, i would love to share!!!

carrie

--narrow minds are generally two faced--
           disappear fear
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date:         fri, 27 oct 1995 18:04:30 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              nlyng@postoffice.ptd.net
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "(eric l. nerino)" <nlyng@postoffice.ptd.net>
subject:      indigo cd bootlegs

i just received some cd's (complicated girls & history of us) from a mail-order
place in florida.....the cost was $29.95/cd..........
....shipping is $3.50 regardless of the number of cd's ordered...

they have quite an extensive number of artists...mostly rock/popular...and best
of all...*3* ig boots....cg's..hou...and nothing to hide....

if anyone is interested in the www-site listing the boots and ordering info let
me know...also...if anyone knows of where to get the cd's at a more reasonable
price, do tell.....there are probably alot of interested lurkers...

i just got through complicated girls....it's *wonderful*!......
....quality sound.....(for a boot)

:) eric
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date:         fri, 27 oct 1995 18:28:45 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              kelly fields <kfields@awod.com>
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from:         kelly fields <kfields@awod.com>
subject:      "1200 curfews" review.

hi hi,
i was reading charleston's paper yesterday and i stumbled across this
cute lil picture of amy and emily.  so, anyhow, here is the review, for
your own personal enjoyment.

"go girls!  indigos score with live cd" by thruston hatcher
post and curier, october 26, 1995
charleston, south carolina.

3 1/2 stars
"folks who haven't had the pleasure of experiencing a live indigo girls
performance now get a shot at the next best thing:  a new, two-cd
recording that more or less stimulates one and reminds listeners once
again why the pair have developed such a devoted following.
        in truth, "1200 crufews" is a collection made up mostly of
several different live performances recorded at various sites in north
america and england in the past five years.  "curfews" weaves the songs
together almost seamlessly to capture the feel of a single concert
performance--with the before song banter, audience applause included.
        it's a revealing collection, and not just because emily saliers
and amy ray comment on and explain the motivation behind some of their
songs.  it also highlights their growth as performers, thanks in part to
the welcome but somewhat awkward inclusion of "back together again," a
sweet, sophmoric song recorded in ray's basement in 1982.
        at times the two seem particulary eager to prove that they're not
just another precious, marshmallow-soft folk act.  ray introduces their
rowdier-than-average classic "land of canaan," for example, with:  "when
i first wrote this song, it was a ballad.  then i heard the replacements,
and it wasn't anymore."
        and the compilation features not one, but two (one live and one
studio-recorded) satisfying renditions of "bury my heart at wounded
knee," a hard-rocking protest song written by buffy saint-marie.
        while "curfews" includes most of the indigo girls' popular songs,
some of the strongest works on the collection--and this is no reflection
on the duo's own considerable songwriting abilities--are their
interpretations of classic songs by other writers.  the album features
memorable covers of joni mitchell's "river," neil young's "down by the
river," and bob dylan's "tangled up in blue," but the most moving song on
"1200 curfews" is a stirring "midnight train to georgia," on which
saliers shows of a voice that never before seemed quite so strong and
versatile."

        well, that does it for me...now, im off to see michelle malone
and band de soleil!!!

keep on movin to the groovin,
kelly.
kfields@awod.com
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date:         fri, 27 oct 1995 18:44:19 -0400
reply-to:     jude shabry <hey_jude@brown.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         jude shabry <hey_jude@brown.edu>
subject:      admin: new footer

this is an announcement, as well as a test to see how it works... :)
as you will likely see, i've added a 2 line footer that will be
appended to every message containing the unsubscription information.
hopefully, it will cut down on those annoying requests to the list.

on other notes...

intimate strangers is nice, but it's long, and not shortenable.
intimates?  strangers?  neither one really seems to fit..

really long .sigs are really annoying.  it's really terrible how many
posts here have less content than .sig.  4 lines is supposed to be the
"standard" though i can overlook 5 or 6.  10, 15, 20+ line sigs are
just plain annoying.

especially given the fact that we see them so many times...

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<http://www.netspace.org/~jude/> |     and damn them- they outvoted me!
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date:         fri, 27 oct 1995 19:11:04 -0400
reply-to:     jude shabry <hey_jude@brown.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         jude shabry <hey_jude@brown.edu>
subject:      re: admin: new footer
in-reply-to:  your message of "fri, 27 oct 1995 18:44:19 edt."
              <199510272244.saa28067@peace.netspace.org>

jude shabry <hey_jude@brown.edu> writes:
> this is an announcement, as well as a test to see how it works... :)
> as you will likely see, i've added a 2 line footer that will be
> appended to every message containing the unsubscription information.
> hopefully, it will cut down on those annoying requests to the list.

okay, take 2.. :)

    -jude

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<http://www.netspace.org/~jude/> |     and damn them- they outvoted me!

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date:         fri, 27 oct 1995 20:05:30 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              walker mandy kay <walker@coral.bucknell.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         walker mandy kay <walker@coral.bucknell.edu>
subject:      re: this whole name game!
in-reply-to:  <pine.sun.3.91.951028052156.10274a-100000@ccsun43>

every time i go to read my mail i keep reading all this back and forth
fighting about this whole name thing, so i decided that my two cents is
worth adding!  so here are my thoughts on the whole subject.

1.  i think girlies is really the best choice, but if it's going to
offend even one ig fan, then it shouldn't be used because it's almost
going against everything amy, emily, their music, and all of us fans
stand for.

2.  intimate strangers is the best alternative, and i disagree with
people who say it doesn't fit.  i don't know about all of your ig concert
experiences, but i've been to two concerts so far in the philadelphia
area.  at the second show i recognized a lot of people that i had seen at
the first one and at the ticket booth.  i don't know who these people
are, but i did talk to them, dance with them, and really had a great time
with them when i was at the concert.  what the hell does all this have to
do with the name?  ig fans have this sort of sacred bond between them.
when you're sharing an ig moment like a concert or waiting in line for a
new release, you are being intimate, even though you don't know these
people, so you are strangers.  therefore, the name definitely works and
is not offensive to anyone.  i think?!

so much for that!

mandy

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date:         fri, 27 oct 1995 19:36:16 ewt
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              indiana university <jshields@cluster.ucs.indiana.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         indiana university <jshields@cluster.ucs.indiana.edu>
subject:      here goes....

we thought that we would save you some extra reading time.
here is the thread list of mandy and jen.

1. micheal jackson (fess up, i know you all like him)
2. billie holiday and the wonderful nina simone
3. natalie merchant...goddess of a sort:)
4. madonna...you either wanted to be her or you wanted to nail her.
5. eric clapton
6. bee-gees (it all started being cool here)
7. james taylor
8. erasure
9. the cure
10.
nine inch nails...ok so only one of us favors them

ok so that isn't all but we don't feel like doing anymore so there!

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date:         fri, 27 oct 1995 19:46:19 ewt
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              just call me norma ray <afiegle@cluster.ucs.indiana.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         just call me norma ray <afiegle@cluster.ucs.indiana.edu>
subject:      re: indigo cd bootlegs

eric,
        i'd be very interested in the address for the company through
which you ordered these cd's....web site or snaikl mail address.  thanks!


mandy

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date:         fri, 27 oct 1995 14:23:33 -0500
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              alycia <anb038@nwu.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         alycia <anb038@nwu.edu>
subject:      i'd like to propose . . .

should be writing a legal memo, but here it goes . . .

tracy chapman                   kate bush                      u2
james                           jewel                          van morrison
tinita tikaram                  soul coughing                  k.d. lang
october project                 peter murphy                   sarah mclachlan
bo deans                        ferron                         melissa etheridge
melissa ferrick                 rusted root                    dead can dance
ani difranco                    peter gabriel                  cranberries

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date:         fri, 27 oct 1995 21:16:34 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              bill albano <wga1@cornell.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         bill albano <wga1@cornell.edu>
subject:      re: indigo cd bootlegs
x-to:         nlyng@postoffice.ptd.net

eric,

could you please send me information on the company from which you ordered
the ig bootleg cd's.
thank you very much!

bill

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date:         fri, 27 oct 1995 18:14:51 -0700
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              jennifer lynn bean <beanjl@whitman.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         jennifer lynn bean <beanjl@whitman.edu>
subject:      re: i'd like to propose . . .
in-reply-to:  <199510271924.aa135571846@casbah.acns.nwu.edu>

ani difranco's performing on our college campus on november 1st!!!
whooooooo hooooooo!!!
-jenn

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date:         fri, 27 oct 1995 18:34:35 -0700
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              jennifer kim lerner <jlerner@leland.stanford.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         jennifer kim lerner <jlerner@leland.stanford.edu>
subject:      lagunaseca (again)

hey all laguna seca people,

1200 curfews laguna seca sighting (i think): my friend noticed that in the
picture under the first cd (on the digipack) amy is wearing the same thing
as she is in the picture under the second cd (which is from laguna seca!).
i don't know if amy usually wears the same thing at different concerts but
methinks the awesome picture of amy jumping with her guitar could be from
laguna seca as well!  what do y'all think?

-jenn

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a thin line between pleasing yourself and pleasing somebody else." -g.m.

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date:         fri, 27 oct 1995 21:36:27 -0400
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              catherine paden <capaden@vaxsar.vassar.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         catherine paden <capaden@vaxsar.vassar.edu>
subject:      (nigc)top 75 reasons why women shouldn't have the freedom of
              speech

ok--this is completely unrelated to the indigo girls...however, i thought
that i would forward it to the list because there are probably a lot of
people on the list who would like to respond. as will become apparent as
you read this, the guys who wrote this are extremely ignorant, sexist
assholes. the people who forwarded this to me from cornell have decided
that the best way to piss these guys off is to send it back to them (a lot
of people have been doing so.) if you feel so inclined after reading, you
can forward it back really easily (their addresses are listed.)

sorry for the interruption from indigo girls related stuff! just thought
this was important!

thanks,
catherine


>ffd:        we got this from some guy that forward it to us, and
>fortunately, the
>>>>>assholes that wrote if left there names on it, so, we found all their
>>>>>e-mail addresses.  read it, and if it annoys you as much as it annoyed
>>>>>>us, take a second to send a message to all of the four authors.  if don't
>>>>>>have time to read it-- just read numbers   11, 14, 20, 31, *38*, *39*,
>>>>>>47, 53, 61, 68, 69, 71, 74, and 75.
>>>>>>also, send it to any female friends you have.  we would like to annoy the
>>>>>>fuck out of these guys.  if you go to cornell... definitly send it to all
>>>>>>your female friends here.                          jamie & morgan & penny
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>written by the four-players of cornell:
>>>>>>>>>evan camps,   send_email_to: emc13@cornell.edu
>>>>>>brian waldman,   send_email_to: blw7@cornell.edu
>>>>>>rikus linschoten, send_email_to:  rrl2@cornell.edu
>>>>>>and the late-season acquisition,
>>>>>> the deion sanders of sexism, pat sicher. send_email_to: phs8@cornell.edu
>>
>>        top 75 reasons why women (bitches) should not have freedom of speech:
>>
>>"let's go back to the good old days when men were men and women were ribs"
>>
>>>>>>>>>1.  she doesn't need to talk to get me a beer.
>>>>>>>>>2.  if she's in the kitchen like she should be, no one can hear her
>>>>>>>>>anyway.
>>>>>>>>>3.  if she can talk, all she'll do is complain.
>>>>>>>>>4.  because she won't say "i will" instead of "i do."
>>>>>>>>>5.  no man wants to hear "first down" during a basketball game.
>>>>>>>>>6.  because pms is no excuse for whining.
>>>>>>>>>7.  no man needs or wants to hear the word "period" unless it has to do
>>>>>>>>>with hockey.
>>>>>>>>>8.  women created tampon and yeast infection commercials during
>>>>>>>>>football.
>>>>>>>>>9.  affirmative action.
>>>>>>>>>10. when men whistle at them in the street, they should just shut up
>>>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>>obey anyway.
>>>>>>>>>11. if my dick's in her mouth, she can't talk anyway.
>>>>>>>>>12. oprah.
>>>>>>>>>13. feminists.
>>>>>>>>>14. because that stupid look on her face should not be accompanied by
>>>>>>>>>an
>>>>>>>>>equally stupid statement.
>>>>>>>>>15. the 2nd and 19th amendments.
>>>>>>>>>16. i don't want to be made to lie and say "i love you" after sex.
>>>>>>>>>17. highway fatalities would decrease by over 90%.
>>>>>>>>>18. when i sneak out at four in the morning, i don't want to hear
>>>>>>>>>anybody
>>>>>>>>>calling me back.
>>>>>>>>>19. "no, i will not buy you tampons while i'm at the store"
>>>>>>>>>20. this is my dick.  i'm gonna fuck you.  no more stupid questions.
>>>>>>>>>21. don't waste your breath, i won't respect you in the morning.
>>>>>>>>>22. women sportscasters.
>>>>>>>>>23. women congressman.
>>>>>>>>>24. god forbid, a woman president.  (oops, my bad -- see #66)
>>>>>>>>>25. marge schott.
>>>>>>>>>26. stupid says as stupid does (and is).
>>>>>>>>>27. dikes (unless i can jump in the middle).
>>>>>>>>>28. where does speaking come into "barefoot and pregnant?"
>>>>>>>>>29. yes that toilet seat was yellow in the first place.
>>>>>>>>>30. tlc and salt-n-pepa.
>>>>>>>>>31. i could give a shit if you're pregnant.
>>>>>>>>>32. i don't care if you're in labor.  for the love of god, let me
>>>>>>>>>sleep.
>>>>>>>>>33. women caused the 18th amendment.
>>>>>>>>>34. the life expectancy of the average male goes down with every
>>>>>>>>>bitchy word.
>>>>>>>>>35. female drunks are annoying unless they put out (for which they dont
>>>>>>>>>need to talk)
>>>>>>>>>36. we're tired of their "we can't pee standing up" shit.
>>>>>>>>>37. that damn apple.
>>>>>>>>>38. if she can't speak, she can't cry rape.
>>>>>>>>>39. of course, if she can't speak, she can't say no.
>>>>>>>>>40. rosanne.  nuff said.
>>>>>>>>>41. suzanne powter.  too much said.
>>>>>>>>>42. honestly, do they really have anything useful to say?
>>>>>>>>>43. only one set of lips should be moving at a time.
>>>>>>>>>44. if she can't talk, she can't bitch when i forget important dates.
>>>>>>>>>45. there are no speaking parts in pornos anyway.
>>>>>>>>>46. when she talks she's not drinking, it's hard to get her drunk
>>>>>>>>>when she
>>>>>>>>>talking.
>>>>>>>>>47. nothing should come out a womans mouth, swallow bitch!
>>>>>>>>>48. the mute button only works on the tv.
>>>>>>>>>49. whores get payed by the hour not by the word.
>>>>>>>>>50. helen keller was the ultimate woman.
>>>>>>>>>51. equality is for math.
>>>>>>>>>52. the credit card bill speaks for itself.
>>>>>>>>>53. if it hurts, i don't wanna hear it.
>>>>>>>>>54. marcia clark.
>>>>>>>>>55. chick-flicks.
>>>>>>>>>56. you don't see victoria's secret models talking, do you?
>>>>>>>>>57. janet, mariah, and whitney.
>>>>>>>>>58. michael jackson.
>>>>>>>>>59. silence and sex make a great combination.
>>>>>>>>>60. n.o.w.? no. now bitch? yes.
>>>>>>>>>61. intelligent car conversation? hell no.  her head should never be
>>>>>>>>>above
>>>>>>>>>the dashboard.
>>>>>>>>>62. that annoying fat bitch from snapple.
>>>>>>>>>63. your mouth is useful in so many other ways.
>>>>>>>>>64. high phone bills really suck.
>>>>>>>>>65. women should be seen and not heard.
>>>>>>>>>66. do you think it was bill clinton who fucked up the country?
>>>>>>>>>67. if i want romance, i'll turn on playboy (hopefully not her).
>>>>>>>>>68. because they're not men.
>>>>>>>>>69. 69, finally a use for both lips at the same time.
>>>>>>>>>70. if i wanted your opinion, i'd ask for it.
>>>>>>>>>71. hell, if i wanted your opinion, i'd give it to you.
>>>>>>>>>72. "where've you been?" who the fuck are you, my mother?
>>>>>>>>>73. women on radio?  you can't see them, do you really want to hear
>>>>>>>>>them?
>>>>>>>>>74. unless the words are "doctor, can you make these bigger?," shut the
>>>>>>>>>fuck up.
>>>>>>>>>75. big breasts should speak for themselves.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>written by the four-players of cornell:
>>>>>>>>>evan camps, brian waldman, rikus linschoten, and the late-season
>>>>>>>>>acquisition, the deion sanders of sexism, pat sicher.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

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date:         fri, 27 oct 1995 23:37:06 -0500
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              water <water@mindspring.com>
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from:         water <water@mindspring.com>
subject:      vld fan from california..

hey, someone here on the list mailed me awhile back about really liking viva
la diva, i was at water@randomc.com  i responded, but just a day after i
responded i ended up getting this account.. water@mindspring.com  cna't get
to my mail on my other account..   would like to keep up the mail with you..
i think your name was carrie?  i dunno.. write me here if you are still on..
my signature at the time was from venus dirge, by cooper seay.  thanks--
brooke :))
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(1), form vera and allison.  each step brought us closer to the reality that
they were not  coming with us."
                            -arlene bloom
                                from: annapurna: a woman's place.

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date:         fri, 27 oct 1995 20:25:40 -0700
reply-to:     indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>,
              "amy j. putnam" <pegasus@crl.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "amy j. putnam" <pegasus@crl.com>
subject:      ig bootleg cd's

thought you newer folks would want to know that ther is another
source for the complicated girls bootleg cd.  rainy day records in
atlanta has it for $24.95 plus $5 shipping (for all you order, not
per cd).  i dont think perry has any more of the older boots, but
he can give you a better price for complicated girls.  you can reach
him at 1-800-636-6166.


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pegasus@crl.com                /        when you're alone
                              /
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