lifeblood: listlogs: 1995-11a

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date:         wed, 1 nov 1995 00:17:24 -0500
reply-to:     margaret clayton <maclayto@mhc.mtholyoke.edu>
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from:         margaret clayton <maclayto@mhc.mtholyoke.edu>
subject:      re: more thaaaaaaangs
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finlandia by jean sibelius

this is my song
o god of all the nations
a song of peace
for lands afar and mine

this is my home
the country where my heart is
here are my hopes and dreams
my holy shrine

but other hearts
in other lands are beating
with hopes and dreams
as true and high as mine.

my country's skies are bluer than the ocean
and sunlight beams on clover leaf and pine
but other lands have sunlight, too and clover
and skies are everywhere as blue as mine

o hear my song
o god of all the nations
a song of peace for their land and for mine.

toodles.
margaret

against my better judgment, i have changed the list settings so that
the default reply is to the sender of the message only, and not to the
list.

the list traffic has shot up in the past few months, and actually went
over 100 yesterday. blech. with many of the posts being
content-free. (ie, "yes!" "i agree" and nothing else)

hopefully, this change will help things. so remember, if you want to
reply to the list, you may have to edit your headers.

-jude, frazzled list owner

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jude shabry | hey_jude@brown.edu | they called me mad, and i called them mad,
<http://www.netspace.org/~jude/> | and damn them- they outvoted me!

i apologise to everyone on the list for the personal reply i mistakenly
sent to the list. {just moved from a vax acct to a unix one. ack!}

{god, and to think that i had, not 5 minutes before sending that msg to
the list, been thinking to myself "can't people figure out how to reply
to only one person, and not the list?" **blush** many many apologies to
all for the spam.}

nadyne.

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> > from what i know, and they've said, they're both very spiritual, but not
> > what christians would call christians. certainly they've (as far as i know)
> > never described themselves as such in so many words...
>
> and besides, with the way the christian world is now, that can almost
> encompas anything.  i have seen all sorts of things happening in the
> church that turn me off a little bit, and i grew up in a supportive,
> christ-like environment.  if amy and emily are christian, i'm sure
> that their nit-picky beliefs are different from mine.  but if they
> *really* believe in the christ-truth, then that's all that matters.
> for me anyway.  some people have to have an all or nothing....

i just had to give my two cents here.  i think the previous statements
are well put.  i can only add that i feel religion is a very personal
thing, and one's own spirituality is all that matters (of course unless
that spirituality consists of hurting others, and it makes me very angry
that some people calling themselves religious feel it is a good thing to
kill other people..... ok, done venting).
whatever people believe in, that is their right, and their freedom.  if
what they believe in makes them caring, loving, and inspirational people,
then i'm a happy camper :)  i don't really care what they believe in as
long as they're good people.
being a christian, i feel that i can relate much better to ig music than
if i was not religous.  however, i don't feel it is necessary to by
religious to enjoy and appreciate their music. spirituality comes in many
different forms, and i don't think it is possible to love amy & emily's
music without having some sort of spirituality.

peace y'all,

betsy, a.k.a. boots macmilla@fit.edu (florida tech)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
i don't think this has anything to do with me;
well, did you ever think you could be wrong? - ferron
i will not be complacent! either :)

uggh...............

i'm reeeeeeeeeeeaaaallllly jealous.

(least you didnt say she did "safe and warm", god i love her)

it is really wierd too when i saw her, i was in "concert everyday" mode
(during a month i saw shawn colvin, melissa, kristen hall, odetta,
*pounds head* probably more) i was on spring break at my folks place took
off one day and went, spent close too $100 to see her, got back and my
parents were both *very mad* that i didn't tell them where i was till
i called them and said i made it to boston....i kinda cut back on the
concerts now (going to ani tho in dec.)
am i the only person who thinks seeing indie artists put on a show more
gratifing? i was pretty disillusioned at the last rem show i saw (10/3
boston)just like it was *so big*, where i can see ani for 1/2 the price
and get just as much enjoyment out of it...i dunno, babbling......
mike r.

i just thought of another religious reference: the recording of jesus
christ superstar where amy is jesus and emily is mary magdalene... but
i think that was pre-strange fire.

plus, "i ask for providence to smile upon me with his sweet face."

but post-indigo girls... not too much. is there any reason why amy said
she didn't use religious references anymore?

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est :) "yet she wish'd/that heaven
han@minerva.cis.yale.edu had made her such a fish." -i.iii
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--
--
"it's just so hard to look at her. she looks like a stranger."
-- patty, on angela

        on the complete days of boredom and sorrow something always comes to
save me.  or rather the indigo girls come to save me. they have done it
3 times that i can remeber.  i will share 2 with you.
        the first one happened today.  i was at work and i was so bored.  i
have one of those jobs where you are not to talk and you are to be busy at all
times!  so i was doing my busy work and the elevator music was stumming along.
just as i began to doze off into dreadful thoughts, i began to hear the
tune of...du du du du du du du du...anyway it soon began to be the song
power of two in elevator style.  i felt so great.  i started singing alone.
(in my meakest of vioces of course)  as i sang along i began to notice
that tis version really sucked and they screwed up a really great song.
as i began to think about that and sing it the correct way, before i knew
it...the day was over...thanks to ig!
        ok the next one will be shorter.....i was missing my best friend
really bad and we were staes away.  i was on theabout to flip out into
hysteria as i ate dinner with my extremely boring parents at aussies.  then
on the crazy radio came ..you guessed it...power of two.. this time with words.
well the next week after that it was all better and i moved away so i could
hang with my best buddie and listen to ig.
        cool huh..hope it touched your heart as much as it did me.  next
to coming home and having 200 mail messages a day, this touched my heart.

jen
jshields@cluster.ucs.indiana.edu

have you ever seen a tori amos cd single, rebecca?   they often have new
songs on them which she plays at her gigs.   and past the mission was
attached to two live eps.   i bought one of them despite already having
under the pink.   so it's not just your brother...

>i'm worried...i thought it was only people like my brother that bought
>the same songs twice, just because one's the single and...frightening
>really. what makes it worse is that i only realized it was a
>demo version when i got it home, meaning (i assume) that none of the
>money i paid for it will go to the honor the earth fund....arrgghhh!!
>

hi again,

before i get on with my reason for posting, i have to say that the new set
up is more than a bit of a pain in the arse to reply to the list with. put
it aback, eh jude, and treat us like adults? otherwise ... no complaints,
listmeister!

ok, since i mucked up about the last thread, i'm volunteering to do a poll
on evryone's top 10 artists, other than the igs. no other disclaimers. send
your top 10s to the above adress with 'my top 10' in the subject line.

i'll give y'all until next friday, 10th november to post, then i'll post
the results to the list ... maybe with an update mid-way there.

*emptys all his files, to cope with the deluge*

johnd

i am trying to gather up some reviews of 1200 curfews for the web site, if
you have any from your local paper or national magazines and would be
interested in emailing or snailmailing them to me please email me privately.

we have added a number of new articles and lyrics to the site in the last
few days.
(http://www.hidwater.com)

take care -

carolyn

sorry, it has been a long night, going to try this again :)

>(http://www.hidwater.com)

is for atlanta artists

http://www.hidwater.com/lifeblood

is the ig stuff

carolyn

>>>from :mohamad swidan
>>>please send me alist of yours
>
>>>my address
>>>mohd63@ncc.moc.kw
>>>kuwait
>
>i gotta laundry list..right here...somewhere...
>
>*<rrriiiippppp!>*
>
>:-(
>
>--how about my grocery list? <seg>

i never would have opened up
but you seemed so real to me
after all the bullshit i've heard
it's refreshing not to see
i don't have to pretend
she doesn't expect it from me
-sarah mclachlan

>the 75 reasons thing...
>was a joke. can noone see that?? even americans have _some_ irony, right??

exactly. and no, we're too righteously indignant to laugh at ourselves.

bet this guy is part of the gang that wanted lists and addresses of girls.
wish i was in that gang! (:

> >>>from :mohamad swidan
> >>>please send me alist of yours
> >
> >>>my address
> >>>mohd63@ncc.moc.kw
> >>>kuwait
> >
> >i gotta laundry list..right here...somewhere...
> >
> >*<rrriiiippppp!>*
> >
> >:-(
> >
> >--how about my grocery list? <seg>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> i never would have opened up
> but you seemed so real to me
> after all the bullshit i've heard
> it's refreshing not to see
> i don't have to pretend
> she doesn't expect it from me
> -sarah mclachlan
>
> --
> administrative requests should not be sent to the list!
> to unsubscribe, send email to listserv@netspace.org
> with the line: signoff indigo-girls
>

hello list peoples...

i belong to other mailing lists, so i can't read all my mail all the time.
i know this name thing has been going on for a while, but i know i didn't
read all the suggestions.

just to throw my $.02, "girlies" does not sound kosher to me. especially
for the male fans. that must be awkward for a man to say, "yep, i'm a
girlie."

i was thinking more on the line of "iggies" or "ig-heads". i hope these
weren't already tossed up.

well...so much for my input.
later,
-shelley

>>the 75 reasons thing...
>>was a joke. can noone see that?? even americans have _some_ irony, right??
>
>exactly. and no, we're too righteously indignant to laugh at ourselves.

it may very well be that the 75 reasons thing was a joke.

however, i have never found that jokes which demean women to be at all funny.

l. shampine

pride can be a moving thing when you learn the strength of "no".

someone commented that they like long signatures at the end of messages.
how do you do that without having to retype it every time? i am
relatively new to e-mail. thanks.

amanda

okay, since kimberly had in mind top ten lists
that had some musical connection to ig, and i
posted a lsit comprised solely of my all-time
hero, tom waits, i wonder if it counts, then,
to ask if anyone on this list has a tape of an ig
soundcheck in toronto? (i'd have to check on
this, but i'd be interested from anywhere,
anytime) where they reportedly do a cover of a
tom waits song, though i don't know which
one. vague reference, i know.

if you have it, know of it, know anything about
a connection between ig and tom waits,
please e-mail me. i have virtually nothing to
trade but would certainly come up with
something equitable.

happy wednesday!!

>
>it may very well be that the 75 reasons thing was a joke.
>
>however, i have never found that jokes which demean women to be at all funny.
>

me, i didn't find the list funny, but then, i didn't laugh at saturday night
live last time i saw it. but i can still see the point of both's existance.

if the thing had been kept off the ig's list (like i believe it should have...)
then noone here would have been offended, and it would be up to all the
beautiful boys and girls on the humour mailing list to debate it's worthiness.

it's all to do with intent.
the list was written with the intent to make people laugh. i can see that.
the list was posted here with the intent to offend people. that's what's wrong.
by drawing attention to it and saying 'look at this, this is really bad' far
more people have been affected by it that would otherwise have been.

@}--,-'---

ob igc...i'm working on a list/tape of unreleased original amy and emily songs,
if anyone has any ideas/sources they'd like to share, i sure would appreciate
it...
  |\/\/\/| neil hunt :)        'and he calls her the chocolate girl,
  |      |  wey 2/06             cause he thinks she melts when he touches her.
  |      |   surrey court         and she knows she's the chocolate girl,
  | (o)(o)    university of surrey cause she's broken up and swallowed,
  c      _)  guildford              and wrapped in bits of silver...'
  |   __|   surrey                   @}--,--'---
  |   /    gu2 5xh                   'i was only lyin'
/____\   england                      that's what liers do...'
/      \ +44 (0)1483 259393 ex. 4972    @}--,--'---

> against my better judgment, i have changed the list settings so that
> the default reply is to the sender of the message only, and not to the
> list.
>
> the list traffic has shot up in the past few months, and actually went
> over 100 yesterday.  blech.  with many of the posts being
> content-free.  (ie, "yes!" "i agree" and nothing else)
>
> hopefully, this change will help things.  so remember, if you want to
> reply to the list, you may have to edit your headers.
>
>     -jude, frazzled list owner

yay!

i-girl

i must agree there. if it was 75 reasons why blacks shouldn't have freedom
of speech there would be an outcry. the message should never have been
circulated (or even written).

mat
mts5@aber.ac.uk

>>>the 75 reasons thing...
>>>was a joke. can noone see that?? even americans have _some_ irony, right??
>>
>>exactly. and no, we're too righteously indignant to laugh at ourselves.
>
>it may very well be that the 75 reasons thing was a joke.
>
>however, i have never found that jokes which demean women to be at all funny.
>
>l. shampine
>
>pride can be a moving thing when you learn the strength of "no".
>
>--
>administrative requests should not be sent to the list!
>to unsubscribe, send email to listserv@netspace.org
> with the line: signoff indigo-girls
>

>>it may very well be that the 75 reasons thing was a joke.
>>
>>however, i have never found that jokes which demean women to be at all funny.
>>
>
>me, i didn't find the list funny, but then, i didn't laugh at saturday night
>live last time i saw it. but i can still see the point of both's existance.

yeah, the existence and expression of sexism (and racism ) in this world has
always had a point...and an effect...i won't argue with you about that.

>if the thing had been kept off the ig's list (like i believe it should have...)
>then noone here would have been offended, and it would be up to all the

the fact that some people out there had the moral sense to be offended by
something like this is actually a good thing. the problem is not that people
were offended; it's that people make sexist jokes to begin with.

>it's all to do with intent.
>the list was written with the intent to make people laugh. i can see that.

i couldn't disagree with you more.

what if the joke were racist instead of sexist? do you think you would
feel any differently about it?

would you rationalize or justify posting a racist joke to the humor list to get
a laugh out of a few racist assholes?

i don't get it.

be just and fear not.
l. shampine

>hi
yes please carolyn! fiona :)
there's more than one answer to these questions, pointing me in a crooked
line...

> oh, and emily plays guitar and
>sings harmony on one of the tracks, "following my compass".

emily also plays and sings on kristen's first album..."real life stuff" (on
a beautiful tune called "it's all right"). kristen is also joined on that
album by guitarist cooper tisdale and one of the singers from the
b52s..(can't remember her name...kate something or other?)

i think kh is
>seriously underrated and should be ranked much higher on the contemporary
>acoustic scales.

i agree. i think she's fantastic.

-sheri

i never would have opened up
but you seemed so real to me
after all the bullshit i've heard
it's refreshing not to see
i don't have to pretend
she doesn't expect it from me
-sarah mclachlan

hi y'all -- got a call to "make sure everyone knows" about a show in atlanta
on 11/3 (friday) at the cotton club. apparantly the cotton club dropped the
ball in publicizing it or something like that.

lineup is : danielle howle (from lay quiet awhile) opening for millan &
kenzie (hi chris), with michelle malone headlining.

if _i_ lived there, i'd go. heck, if i lived on that coast, i'd probably
go. so, y'all go make it a killer show, and yell real loud and all that.
think of it as an extended world series celebration. :) :)

julie meloni
dmon@hidwater.com
hidden water ... http://www.hidwater.com/

        for any ig fans in brisbane who might be interested, i saw an ad saying
that kents record store is selling 1200 curfews for a$35 for the two disc set. i
only ask that you leave one copy there (i cant get there for a few days:(  ).
bye.
        jamie

just noticed this today: a & e on aol (aol live) @ 10 pm et. start
thinking up your questions, y'all. : )

on tue, 31 oct 1995, chandreyi saha wrote:

if anyone could help me find out where i could get an ani di
franco cd i would be very appreciative. thanks, guys! >

hi chandreyi-

you can also order any ani difranco cd, or get on her mailing list by
calling her info line at (800)664-3769. i think you can only get through
to someone between 9-5 eastern time. she is amazing. i highly recommend
her!

take care -
lisa

>of course, the igs music applies to everyone, as evidenced by the range
>of people on this mailing list. however, i think knowing their sexual
>orientation makes allows one to understand their music a bit better; it
>just helps you know where they're coming from, etc. also, i think for
>many people (myself included), their lesbianism is significant when
>looking for role models. as a non-heterosexual, i am always happy to see
>positive images of lesbians and gays is the mainstream. i don't think
>sexual orientation need be a major issue when the power of the indigo girls'
>music obviously transcends all definition, but i also don't think we
>should forget it.
>
>amanda

yes, and i am gonna say something here.. i started to like the girls about 6
years ago.. back when i was so far in the closet  i was in narnia....  i
knew that they were lesbians, though.. it didnt' matter.. but about 2 years
ago, i became a **big** fan.. and last june (of 94) i got onto this list..
as i got into the "indigo girls community" i was exposed to lesbians.. it
was at that point that i started to accept my sexuality and stop
"straigtening" myself out..  i was lucky to meet and become friends with
someone off this list, who is a lesbian.. i was going to come out, but the
community formed here gave me. and still gives me the support i need/needed
in my coming out.. b/c they are lesbians, and they did form this community
i've had an easier time.. when i used to get freaked out about my sexuality
i would turn to the music that i *always* had turned to for comfort.. but it
ment more, b/c i could think-- they went through the same thing i'm going
through... they are musicians first, and lesbians second.. but in the end
they are out.. and in the end it is a comfort to have my favorite song
writers dealing with the same *what was then* scary thing for me..   so in
the end, it doesn't exactly matter, but it does help... enough rambling..
_________________________________________________________________

    "...each step into the gray , muffling fog took us further from annapura
(1), form vera and allison.  each step brought us closer to the reality that
they were not  coming with us."
                            -arlene bloom
                                from: annapurna: a woman's place.

for anyone who's been wondering what jerry marotta is doing while ig are on
break (i know, i know -- y'all would rather know what a&e are doing, but this
is the best i can do):

quoted from the folk_music mailing list, in a post from singer barbara
kessler's manager, phil antoniades:

>recently, barbara kessler has been making headlines with
>her music. she prepares to record her studio album in
>november with drummer extraordinare jerry marotta as
>the producer. the album is expected to be released in
>march '96.

for anybody not familiar with barbara, she is a great singer-songwriter from
boston. she opened for ig at the university of nh show in the spring of '94
-- the test run of the so tour. barbara has one cd out called stranger to
this land -- check her out if she's ever playing in your area.

heidi, (currently listening to thin line for about the 12th time today :-))

sorry....but i can't contain it.......

has anyone else been moved deeply yet by the 1200 'strange fire'?........
i was late getting to where i was going tonight.....got stopped at a railroad
crossing (4 engines towing innumerable boxcars)......it was pouring rain
......and on came sf......*wow*.....the cars behind me had to honk to get me
going again......i was late, but happy!

wishing that y'all are enjoying 1200......
wishing that if you don't have it yet, you get it soon!

...eric

hello, fellow (intimate) strangers...
i was in the barnes and noble music section, and saw a section for buffy st.
marie, which got me wondering if she ever recorded bmhawk.  there were a few
discs there, (inc. a double greatest hits!) but nothing with wounded knee...i
saw that amy and emily were going to be on aol, and i wasn't quite as excited
as i thought i'd be.  i guess that i (like most of you) feel so close to
them, and a computer just doesn't seem to be appropriate for this type of
forum.  granted, its better than nothing, but it just seems so "unlike" them.
i suppose this is something that epic put them up to, seeing as how much
they dislike these crazy contraptions.  i really don't know how to say
it...it's just kind of strange. by the way, happy birthday k.d.!!! (on tues.)
thanks for letting be get this off my chest,
stephen
p.s.  for all of you aolers, the preview of amy and emily's center satge
appearence is worth keeping!  it's a good'n!!

i know you did not mean for your letter to be posted to the whole list, but
would you mind extending your offer to others?  i, too, am relatively new and
am interested in hearing even more ig.
               cory shull
               university of virginia
               cws8q@virginia.edu

hi folks,

  so say you go to the observatory and so you need to be away from you
mail for 48 hours.  how many messages do you expect to find when you
get to read them?  if you said 338, you win a prize....

still somehow i feel the need to post.

  on this hot topic of "lesbian rock," *shakes his head* why?  yes, i
agree that the knowledge that a&e happeen to be gay puts all together
new levels of interpretations into their lyrics.  i went off on this
subject about a year ago agreeing that in higher orders, it does
matter that a&e are gay (and they are not involved with each
other--sometimes people get that confused).  if you like i'll repost,
but i hardly think that is necessary.

  the fact is that this discussion did not start out as a discussion
about lyric interpretation, it started out as a personal, one-line,
blanket statement posted to the list and then continued with more
blanket statements/affirmations.  i wondered as i read these things if
the writers realized that a&e go out of their way not to be labeled as
such artists.  amy i know for a fact has turned down interviews by
"gay publications" (whatever that is, most magazines don't have much
of a sex life ) because she beileved that the interviewer whould not
be interested in the story had amy been straight.  furthermore, amy
was chided by this publication for her stance, to which she wrote a
beautiful letter to the editor in response.  that letter was posted
here and i remember reading it thinking "wow, you know i loved her
music, her lyrics move me, but she's also just a cool person."
i think if amy were reading this thread she may be ill.

  i guess i'm weird.  i have this arguement withfriends all the time.
labeling just doesn't make any sense to me, its so energy-consuming.
if we were to come up with accurate labels, they would be too long top
be usable.  in my view we already have a shorthand for such
labels--our names, there ought not to be a need for anything else.
others have pointed out to me that the labels provide unity with a
group, that they help provide identity when conditions are adverse.
even as a straight white male i can see that and it makes some sense.
they also point out that the world isn't as idealistic as i'd like it
to be.  and again, they are right.  but it never will make progress
towards that end unless we respond to the higher call.  imho, a&e
do--one of the reasons they have such an impact on my life.  i guess i
wish that her fans (and yes everyone here is a fan) would follow the
example, especially where the girls are concerned.

lots of thoughts and rehash,

                                chris (who realizes he's probably
                                        offended 50% of the list
                                        but is really to tired to notice)

obthoughtfotheday:

everytime i go to the bathroom, i make a women's movement.
-- ani difranco

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morning :)

>>it's all to do with intent.
>>the list was written with the intent to make people laugh. i can see that.
>
>what if the joke were racist instead of sexist?  do you think you would
>feel any differently about it?
>
>here's a joke:
>
>        question:  what do you call a black doctor?
>        answer:  a nigger
>
>appalled?  i hope so...

y'know, where i was working the summer before last, in nj, most of the people
there were black, and they used the n word like noone i've ever heard...

it's the intent. if you're not serious, you're just teasing someone, then
(especially in real life, when you _know_ the person telling the joke...you
_know_ their true feelings...) you can tell if they're serious...
i can think of a couple of people i know, one black, one white who are the
kind of people who would laugh at that and tell it to each other...

>would you rationalize or justify the posting of this joke to the humor list >to get
>a laugh out of a few racist assholes?

me, i'm not on a humor list. maybe somewhere there's a 'racist asshole' list.
that's not my point. my point is that it was written with the _intent_ to
make someone laugh (i don't care if it was funny or not) but then it got
twisted, and sent here with the _intent_ of being offensive.

it's like...ooh, let's say the phrase 'you dyke'.
it can be meant _really_ bitterly and hatefully, and also humerously, and
maybe even also lovingly, depending on the situation. i've heard it used all
three ways..maybe more...

sexist jokes _in the right setting_ can be appropriate and funny. depending
on the joke and the situation. maybe this list never was, but it could have
been.

i'm not defending the content of the list. i'm not saying it should have been
written. i'm not saying much really. i'm saying that it was sent to the
indigo girls list with the intent to upset and offend people. which i believe to be wrong and not the original intention. i will say no more.

have a truly beautiful day, and may all your christmases be white :):)

@}--,--'---
  |\/\/\/| neil hunt :)        'and he calls her the chocolate girl,
  |      |  wey 2/06             cause he thinks she melts when he touches her.
  |      |   surrey court         and she knows she's the chocolate girl,
  | (o)(o)    university of surrey cause she's broken up and swallowed,
  c      _)  guildford              and wrapped in bits of silver...'
  |   __|   surrey                   @}--,--'---
  |   /    gu2 5xh                   'i was only lyin'
/____\   england                      that's what liers do...'
/      \ +44 (0)1483 259393 ex. 4972    @}--,--'---

page 302 of the nov issue of computer life: melissa will be cohosting the mtv
music awards in march. her hobbies are finger painting and fast cars. :-)

jude

on wed, 1 nov 1995, stephen mcgill wrote:

> hello, fellow (intimate) strangers...
> i was in the barnes and noble music section, and saw a section for buffy st.
> marie, which got me wondering if she ever recorded bmhawk. there were a few
> discs there, (inc. a double greatest hits!) but nothing with wounded knee...i

yes, buffy sainte-marie has recorded bury my heart at wounded knee.  it is
on her album "coincidence and likely stories" released in 1992.  i think
her version is very moving and i was thrilled to hear that amy and emily's
version doesn't vary too far away from the original.  get it!  and listen!
"coincidence..." is a great album.

- bev.

here's some ig content if any of y'all are interested :)

kid fears was the first ig song that was especially significant for
me and though i have my own interpretation, i am curious to know
what it meant to amy when she wrote it. does anyone know of an
interview where she discussed this song.

tia
anna
whipkey@vm.cc.purdue.edu

is not a pretty girl available in the uk at all? i haven't seen it
anywhere, yet it has been out for quite some time. what's keeping it?

mat
mts5@aber.ac.uk

>chandreyi,
>
>you can usually find ani in the larger music chains (i.e. sam goody's,
>hmv). if they don't have her in your area, however, you can write to:
>
>righteous records
>429 richmond ave.
>buffalo, ny 14222
>
>cds are $15 + $1.20 s&h and tapes are $10 + $.80 s&h.
>
>her albums are:
>
>ani difranco
>not so soft
>imperfectly
>puddle dive
>like i said
>out of range
>not a pretty girl
>
>they're all wonderful, though the older ones tend to be a bit more folky
>than the newer ones. my personal favorites are out of range and like i
>said, though this changes depending on my mood, placement of the stars,
>weather, what i had for breakfast, etc.
>
>happy listening. :)
>
>amanda
>
>--
>administrative requests should not be sent to the list!
>to unsubscribe, send email to listserv@netspace.org
> with the line: signoff indigo-girls
>

>that's not my point. my point is that it was written with the _intent_ to
>make someone laugh (i don't care if it was funny or not) but then it got
>twisted, and sent here with the _intent_ of being offensive.

neil, most sexist and racist jokes are written (by sexist and racist people)
with the intent of making (other sexist and racist people) laugh. is this
supposed to be a justification for them?

>sexist jokes _in the right setting_ can be appropriate and funny. depending
>on the joke and the situation. maybe this list never was, but it could have
>been.

i guess that's the bottom line then and the end of the discussion as far as
i'm concerned.

in my opinion, sexist humour is a sign of a sexist mentality and a sexist
culture and is not a good thing whether the jokes are told in the locker
room, in the board room, or on hbo.

be just and fear not.
l. shampine

here is a little press release i found on the ftp site:

mirror.aol.com which is a mirror site of ftp.uwp.edu

press releases about ig are found in mirror_1/pub/music/artists/i/
indigo.girls/press i think :-) anyway, it's easy to find.

i'm sending this to the list because there has been a renewed interest in the
boot color me grey which is a total amy boot.... do not confuse this with
cover me grey, the compilation of ig covers which was done by a list member.

enjoy!

subject: amy's "solo album."

   this is a review of a tape that was probably recorded in around 1985. the
copies of this in circulation give it the title "color me grey," but i don't
know if it actually ever had a title.  it's an hour long demo of songs by
amy, performed by amy alone.  the tracks seem to have been more or less
recorded in one take, though in some (or all) cases, the vocal track may have
been added later to the basic guitar track.  the sound quality is fair to
good, which changes to fair to poor for the last four songs or so.  that may
just be my copy, though.  however, the sound is never unlistenable, and the
vocals are extremely clear, though on some of the final tracks amy's voice
becomes a little distorted on the louder passages.  the guitar sound is
generally muddy, but no more than in most bootlegs.  on several occasions,
the microphone successfully captured subtle sounds, such as amy's fingers
sliding against the lower strings.
     the performance is probably not what you would expect, as amy was more
influenced at this time by people like james taylor, bob dylan, and joni
mitchell, than her more recent influences such as rem, the replacements, and
the ellen james society.  what i'm trying to say is that this is not "the
ballad of squeaky fromme,"  or "romeo and juliet,"  or even "hand in hand."
these songs, like those, stress the lyric, but unlike those, do not stress
the dynamics of live performance.  in fact, it would not be unfair to call
this recording "mellow."  in places, it could even put you to sleep. (or,
provide that last push you need to put that gun to your head.) but calling it
boring or depressing is unfair.  the material here, though not very dynamic,
is solidly emotional.  (if emotion can be solid, that is.) the lyrics are
often immature, but rarely, if ever, stupid.  this is probably a side of amy
that few have seen, and some may wish to keep it that way.  but, for those
willing to accept this recording with all its flaws, a definite treat is in
store.  for behind the rough production is a diamond in the rough. amy's
voice lacks the edge that most associate with her style, but instead, it has
a tenderness that is only exposed on rare occasions.  to some, this may not
sound much like the amy they know, but to others, it reveals a different kind
of expressive quality that amy possesses.
  amy's guitar playing is perhaps a little better than one would expect, but
it (rightly) takes a back seat to the vocals.  the songs are based more on
the rhythms and the chord changes than the melody, which serves to place the
guitar into the backdrop, and bring the vocals to center stage.
    the album has a very cohesive quality to it, so that few of the songs
stand out.  that's not to imply that they couldn't stand on their own, but it
means that reviewing them track by track would be a pointless endeavor. in
addition, the only song that would likely be familiar to anyone who hasn't
heard this tape is "nashville," performed here in a slightly slower version,
which suggest more regret than the relative near-hostility of recent pe
    performances. however, there are a couple of key tracks that deserve more
than just mentioning the title: "fallin' star," and "color me grey."  the
first of these two songs is probably the most beautiful track on the tape, as
it has a more worked out melody than most of the other songs.  and the
emotional performance of this particular vocal is a highlight.  the lyrics,
too, are rather striking, especially the last few lines, which would cause
many listeners to rewind their tapes to make sure their ears did not decieve
them:
                "emily, i've gotta tell you i understand,
                i understand.
                when your love flies away, well,
                honesty, that's the best you can do,
                but aren't you empty inside?
                aren't you?  falling star. "

the second key song, "color me grey," has one of the best overall lyrics on
the tape.
                "her life is a show,
                one night follows the other everywhere she goes
                but she never takes a leading role,
                save for the time she's on the stage.
                color her black, or white;
                either one reflects the teardrops.
                one extreme for the other,
                nothing in between.
                color her white for the princess she could be;
                color her black for the troubled child she plays so well;
                she's dancing through hell on a dream.
                and blue is the soul of the one
                reaching for the man that she hasn't got yet,
                holding onto those hearts for lost causes;
                she could be so bright, but she's reaching for us all.
                color her blue for the loneliness she feels-
                she's hiding her heart in the sky.
                and color me grey,
                i'm a little bit of everything today,
                and i'm not sure where i'm going.
                color me grey,
                wishing i was something more of distinction.
                and color us all,
                'cause we're just stars, wishing our lives away,
                into the distance,
                out of existance.
                color her black or white,
                color her blue,
                color me grey,
                color us all,
                we're stars, wishing our lives away."

amy ray - "color me grey" (1985?) scared to say we're friends," "nashville,"
"fallin' star," "carry me away," "anyway, i love you," "clues to you,"
"always be there," "c "color me grey," "free through eternity," "passing
time," "losin' touch," "erase the pain," "anyone but myself."

hi y'all,
i anyone out there has the words to "down by the river" could you please post them. i think that song rocks. thanx.
amy

i think this particular list goes beyond racism and sexism. i found it
to be cruel and sedistic.

suppose you are a young lady and you overhear some blowhards laughing about
sticking their dick in your mouth, and raping you, and someone had actually
done these things to you. how do you think that would make you feel.

this kind of thing does more than just offend people, it actually hurts them.
when i read this think it made me queasy. after finding out that it was
just meant to be sent to a few friends, i was much less upset, but the thought
of someone actually pushing this type of sickness should always be responded
to. in the same way the nazis should have been responded to in the mid-30's.
i feel that if this kind of crap was seriously being distributed, that it is
important to let all decent people know, so that we have a chance to denouce
it and otherwise react to it.

trant

nope...that doesn't work...

well, i'm climing out of the hole i've dug for myself for this brief
announcement/question...

so, we have cover me grey, a selection of indigo girls covers just out...

which got me wondering (again) on all the uncollected original songs out
there...
and has led to the rough compilation of...

unreleased indigos...a collection of indigo girls original compositions not
found on any epic release, the ep, 7", color me grey, maybe strange fire.

this is incomplete, and not ready for the world at large...if anyone has any
details of omissions, or suggestions, or better quality versions/tapes (like
the '89 wrek show for example) or any comments, insults, chocolate, then
i'd like to know...pretty please with sugar on :):)

side one...the dodgy side...

tuesday's children (a) - the b band tape
leaving ain't fair (e) - the b band tape and now 1200 curfews
up in smoke (e)        )
what was really me (e) )  all from university of north carolina,
peace song (e)         )      chapel hill, nc, 18/3/88
life's too strange (e) )
make this house a home (a&mm) - haverford college, pa 10/4/87
play it again sam (e) - 'early recordings'
half moon cafe (e)     -live at wrek 27/2/89
the untitiled song (e) -live at wrek 27/2/89

side two...the better quality side...

the ballard of squeaky frome (a) - wrfg june 1990
*unknown title* (e) - mysterys play rehersal '86?
if you live like that (a&e) - the dugout, atlanta, '85??
no way to treat a friend (a) - wrek 17/5/88
i don't know your name (a&e) - blue food
running from the cold (a) - blue food
draw the line (a) - the dugout '85??
holy city (a) - not sure yet...maybe blue food...
(beauty and disaster (a?) - need to get a tape of it)
(any other song i missed??)
(high horse (e) - maybe, depending...even though it's on sf '87)
(other possibilities include the four covers of ig's stuff soffar...
tgwtwotwihh - eddi reader
closer to fine - the wonderstuff
fare thee well - david crosby
welcome me - joan baez......but we'll see....)

there are a couple of songs that aren't on there...
please call me baby some people say is an emily song, but it's by tom waits,
and heatache central time which apart from being performed by amy and mm, is
also a cover version i believe...

but anything else, well...i need help. and then some...

@}--,--'---

  |\/\/\/| neil hunt :)        'alan doesn't understand her,
  |      |  wey 2/06             he says he's only human.
  |      |   surrey court         so he spends the night with old flames,
  | (o)(o)    university of surrey as if to try to prove it...
  c      _)  guildford              and he doesn't like emotions,
  |   __|   surrey                   he's not certain of their ardour.
  |   /    gu2 5xh                    cause if partying carries so much fun,
/____\   england                      then breaking hearts is harder...'
/      \ +44 (0)1483 259393 ex. 4972    @}--,--'---

down by the river is one of the covered songs in the boot cover me grey which
includes a liner with all the words to all the songs on the cassette. if
anyone wants a copy of this boot, i think i could probably steer you in the
right direction :-)

jude

from: margaret clayton <maclayto@mhc.mtholyoke.edu>
subject: !!!!!!!***>>>cover tape ready<<<***!!!!!!!

what:  cover me grey (title by greg flamer, rock on) is a compilation of
songs that ig have covered and not recorded (with one exception).  it was
put together for pleasure, not profit.  i will be posting this exact
message periodically over the next few weeks.  it has a wicked cool
insert (grey paper--get it?) with artwork designed by ig fans as well as
the lyrics to all the songs included on the tape.  the songs are:

side a
american tune (autzen stadium, eugene, or, 8/22/93)
love of the common people (reverse-1)
cortez the killer (the palace, new haven, ct, 4/24/95, with michelle malone)
summertime (athens music festival, athens, ga, 9/25/88, with michael stipe)
bury my heart at wounded knee (radio 1, england, 6/23/95, no band)
bartender's blues (central park, ny, ny, 9/20/92, with sara lee)
water is wide (club r&r)
wild horses (the palace, new haven, ct, 4/24/95, with michelle malone)
thin line (the backyard (soundcheck), austin, tx, 9/1/94)
melissa (shades)

side b
wild, wild party at the loquat tree (put on your green shoes)
southern man (radio city music hall, ny, ny, 6/28/94, with cooper tisdale
and kristen hall)
house at pooh corner (shades)
daddy's all gone (shades)
river (toad's place, new haven, ct, 12/9/90)
hairshirt (athens music festival, athens, ga, 9/25/88)
the weakness in me (live at san francisco epic promo--awesome)
down by the river (live at san francisco promo--awesome)
mona lisas and mad hatters (reverse-1)
midnight train to georgia (the palace, new haven, ct, 4/24/95, with gail
andorsey and jimmy descant)
finlandia (the pier, seattle, wa, 8/17/94, with caroline aiken)

some of the songs on this tape are versions that are to die for.  some
are not.  :)  i did the best i could, listening to sometimes 8 different
versions of a song trying to decide which one to use.  i am pleased to
say that there is only one song that, to me, is not extremely good
quality.  this is a bootleg project, though, so don't complain about the
quality of the tape unless you feel that this disclaimer is misleading.  :)

how to get one:  to get a copy of cover me grey, send $5 and a sase to
the appropriate branch of the tape tree (to be discussed below).  the $5
is to cover the cost of the blank tape (maxell xl ii high bias) and the
cost of the *insert* that goes in it.  the sase (a self-addressed, stamped
envelope) is to make the branches' lives easier.  the tape will be sent to
you in the sase that you send your branch, so you probably want to either
send a padded envelope or include packing materials (like newspaper).

if you live outside the united states: send me private email and we will
work out a trade. you will not be using the branches from the tape tree,
you will get your tape directly from me.

all profits, if any, will be donated to an organization which works to
reclaim and protect the rights of native americans.

ok..  the tape tree is being done by sign.  :)  so, scroll down until you
find your sign and then contact your branch to get his or her real life
address so that you can send him or her your $5 and sase.  i matched the
signs of the branches with who they're dubbing for, so you're virtually
guaranteed not to hate your branch.  (they're also all really cool dudes!)

if you are an aquarius (1/20-2/18), contact:
jude hunter
jhunter@rtc.gov

if you are a gemini (5/21-6/20), contact:
greg kemp
gkemp@ces.clemson.edu

if you are a sagittarius (11/22-12/21), contact:
joan ferguson
joan_ferguson@harvard.edu

if you are a taurus (4/20-5/20), contact:
pamela shaw
sparkle@primenet.com

if you are a leo (7/23-8/22), contact:
brian colwell
brian@pas.rochester.edu

if you are a libra (9/23-10/22), contact:
mike bunch
mrbcom@earthlink.net

if you are a virgo (8/23-9/22), contact:
martine o'keeffe
okeeffe@lclark.edu

if you are an aries (3/21-4/19), contact:
alan fleming
daflemi@lookout.ecte.uswc.uswest.com

if you are a pisces (2/19-3/20), contact:
deanna newcomb
deanna@dcez.com

if you are a scorpio (10/23-11/21) or a cancer (6/21-7/22), contact:
margaret clayton
maclayto@mhc.mtholyoke.edu

if you are a capricorn (12/22-1/19), contact:
carol jones
jone3176@saintmarys.edu

also, when contacting your branch, make absolutely sure that the subject
line of your message contains the words cover tape (so that the branch
reads it promptly).  i sent this message to the tape tre branches and
cc'ed it to the list, so you should be able to reply directly to your
branch.  please delete all of the other addresses, as most of us don't
want to know that you want a copy of the cover tape (nothing personal).
please do not send requests for the cover tape to the list.  if you forget
who your branch is please wait and i will repost this message in a couple
of days.

well, i think that's it.  if there's anything that i forgot or if you
have any questions, please feel free to send me private email and i will
get back to you.  if i forgot something that warrants another posting to
the list i will do so.  thanks!!!!!

margaret

did anyone who ordered the list t-shirt from jon miner ever get theirs?
i'd be interested in knowing since i don't have mine yet, and i don't
have his e-mail address.

thanks
alexis

but how does one automatically attach a
signature, assuming that is is automatic? it
must be, or some of you have way more time
on your hands than i do :)

by the way, i never introduced myself to this
list and now i'm starting to feel guilty.  i joined
this list at the end of september, my name is
carla, i'm from l.a., and i'm a fan.  not much
more to say, actually.  except that i voted for
and am sticking with "girlie" (i know -- old
topic).

you are all a lot of fun. mostly :)

looking for the guitar chords and lyrics to thin line. if anyone can help
me out, please e-mail me.

thanks!
connie

------------------------------
todd and connie tsuchiya
tsuch002@maroon.tc.umn.edu

> i anyone out there has the words to "down by the river" could you please
post them. i think that song rocks. thanx.

sure. me too.

down by the river by neil young
indigo girls: live in san francisco (epic promo), great america music hall, ca,
8/24/92

be on my side, i'll be on your side, baby,
there is no reason for you to hide.
it's so hard for me stay'in here all alone
when you could be takin' me for a ride,

she could drag me over the rainbow
and send me away.
down by the river,
i shot my baby.
down by the river,
shot her dead.

you take my hand, i'll take your hand,
together we may get away.
this much madness is too much sorrow,
it's impossible to make it today,

she could drag me over the rainbow
and send me away.
down by the river,
i shot my baby.
down by the river,
dead, dead, shot her dead,
shot her dead.

be on my side, i'll be on your side, baby,
there is no reason for you to hide.
it's so hard for me stay'in here all alone
when you could be takin' me for a ride,

she could drag me over the rainbow
and send me away.
down by the river,
i shot my baby.
down by the river,

i have seen so many threads like this over the years. this is the first
time that i have responded.

in purely philosophical terms, no, it does not matter that amy and emily
are gay. to them, as musicians, it is not their focus.

what i see happening, however, is a bunch of gay people being
poignantly affected by the fact that two people who are just so f*cking cool
are also lesbians who are out to the world. chudzpah is an
understatement.

as a lesbian, i have had moments of thinking "am i a freak?," "am i
this way because i am not supposed to reproduce--why,?" "how do i know
that i am ok?," and earlier "is there something wrong with me?", "am i
really gay?", "what does this mean to me?"..  the list goes on and on and
is shared by many other gay people.  where amy and emily and their music
come in is at the point where i need reaffirmation.  i listen to their
music and realize that they have dealt with the same questions, that they
are incredible people, and that i am okay.  so you are now all thinking
"wow, she is wicked insecure!" (or maybe not ;).  but that's not the point.

so, for all of you who keep asking us "why does it matter?" and "why is
it such a big deal?" this is why. it is because, whether we have worked
through the shit or not, and whether we are happy with ourselves or not,
we are oppressed. and amy and emily are a source of hope and optimism,
not to mention the fact that there's kind of a collective sense of
camraderie because we have suffered the same evils.

so it does matter, and to some people their sexuality is the most
important thing.  and i don't think that that would make a&e roll over
and die, because they have been there.  i suspect that what they want is
to not be know by the general public (90% of which is straight) as "those
two dykes."  the two are very important.

ok, so that has been my bandwidth for the day. cheers to all.

margaret

i am so surprised that a and e are actually going to go online!! for some
reason, i always had the impression that they were kind of anti-computer, or
maybe it's just anti-list.  don't really know.  but, does anyone know how
the whole set up works, when an artist is on aol?  i've got it, but have
never participated in anything like that.  the date was november 16,
correct?  can't wait...
   erica

"my anger and my rage, my senses said they would lead me astray...this time,
don't assume anything."

*** oh, by the way, what is this from? i mean the hidden track on disc two?
i know it's from tmf, and i've only heard them do free bird or cortez the
killer in the middle. anyone, anyone, bueler?

hi again folks,

   a couple of people have asked me to post the letter to the editor i
mentioned last night.  i'd love to, but unfortunately i don't have it.
if some kind soul who does have it could post it to the list, lots of
people would like to see it (and i'd like to save a copy).  what i
remember about it was it was posted about a year ago and may have been
refering to a time previous to that.

thanks!

chris

this is a bit of short notice but in case anyone is in the seattle are,
ani di franco will be playing tonight at the mt.baker theatre in
bellingham, washington 11/2/95!

julie

this was taken from an online music magazine thingy, called
consumable.

==== issue 58 ==== consumable ======== [november 3, 1995]

        review: indigo girls, _1200 curfews_ (epic) /
                shawn colvin, _live '88_ (plump)
                - bob gajarsky

        does one genre of music *have* to continue to another generation?
that question presents itself to two performers who, at one time or another,
have been linked to the folk songs of days gone by: the indigo girls
and shawn colvin.
        emily saliers and amy ray, the duo from georgia known as the
indigo girls, have partially shed the folk tag.  from the breakthrough
self-titled album (including the hit "closer to fine") and the opening
slot on r.e.m.'s tour as two women with guitars, the pair have expanded
their music to include drums, bass, and probably the premier cello player
for "alternative" music today, jane scarpantoni (r.e.m., bob mould).
their latest release, _1200 curfews_, consists of 26 live tracks
(and one studio track, a cover of buffy saint-marie's "bury my heart at
wounded knee") recorded at various times over the last 13 years.
        fans of the duo will be instantly familiar with many of the
tracks, which include all their radio and commercial singles as well
as covers of bob dylan's "tangled up in blue" and gladys knight & the
pips' "midnight train to georgia".  the highlight for die-hard collectors
is probably the previously unreleased track, "back together again",
which was recorded in amy's basement in 1982.  and, as someone
who saw them live back in 1989, at madison square garden - and walked
away disappointed because the sound just didn't carry well in such
a huge setting - it's a pleasant surprise that the indigo girls have
produced such a solid live double cd.
        while the indigo girls have graduated to mainstream success and
can guarantee a solid level of sales with each release, shawn colvin
still hasn't broken out of the "promising artist" level, despite
her 37 years of age.  the former backup vocalist for suzanne vega has a
live reissue, _live '88_, which was just released on plump records
(email: plumprec@aol.com).
        this eleven song compilation shows an even rawer side of colvin
than most fans are familiar with.  it's pure shawn, on guitar, with what
appear to be very little remastering.  seven of these songs appeared
on 1989's _steady on_, with two others showing up on 1992's _fat city_.
        a standard of colvin's concerts is to include a couple cover
songs in each performance.  a complete album of these appeared in
1994's _cover girl_, but on _live '88_, shawn offers up a beautiful
version of simon & garfunkel's "kathy's song".
        the only quirk here is that three of the tracks - "kathy's
song", "something to believe in" and david ball's "don't you think i
feel it too" - are actually taken from a 1990 show.  however, they
still capture the feel of ms. colvin, live, in an intimate setting.
jackson browne expressed that "her singing and guitar playing...are
compelling and complete".  i couldn't agree more.
        if colvin and the indigo girls are still considered 1960's folk,
those attaching the labels should take a harder look.  gather round
your friends, some coffee, and create the cafe' setting with either of
these cd's.

on wed, 1 nov 1995, carla williams wrote:

> to ask if anyone on this list has a tape of an ig
> soundcheck in toronto? (i'd have to check on
> this, but i'd be interested from anywhere,
> anytime) where they reportedly do a cover of a
> tom waits song, though i don't know which

        wel, i wasn't at that show, but i know that years ago emily used
to do "please call me, baby". in fact from what i've been told, there is
only one old recording of it out there.
        in the summer of '94, while i waiting in line to get into the show,
emily was playing that song during her soundcheck.  the next night she
played fleetwood mac's "songbird".  it was so beautiful.

tricia

>i'm new to the list, but to the girls, whom i've adored since eighth
grade  (whoa-   how fast can six years fly by)
>anyone interested in finding out about what a & e have to say about
their lyrics should hit the internet.  that's where i found out about
this list, and there are several different pages about the ig around.
check out these pages to learn more:
>
>   http://www.sony.com    (go to new releases, i or indigo girls, the
                            pages are pretty easy to follow)
>   http://www.mtp.com/ig/html/ig-pages html
>                            (i've had a difficult time with this one
                               before, if anyone knows of any others
                                please post them)

jessica staats

x9n9@music.stlawu.edu

"there's a thin line between pleasing yourself
and pleasing somebody else"

>administrative requests should not be sent to the list!
>to unsubscribe, send email to listserv@netspace.org
> with the line: signoff indigo-girls

sorry if my messages seem a little behind but i haven't been on the
computer for a day...
i wanted to respond to all of this religious talk....when the ig first
started out, my friend was amy's next door neighbor....i wrote the ig a
private letter, and received a handwritten note from amy back saying
"thanks for not labeling us a christian band, we consider ourselves more
spiritual than anything." thought this might put an end to all of the
curiousity around this issue.

julie

on wed, 1 nov 1995 heidid4660@aol.com wrote:

> >recently, barbara kessler has been making headlines with
> >her music. she prepares to record her studio album in
> >november with drummer extraordinare jerry marotta as
> >the producer. the album is expected to be released in

oh know... what has barbara done? i just hope she doesn't let
him play on the album.
t

kerry in mass.!

i will send a few lesbian bands now that aren't as popular yet...

disappear fear
motherlode (from seattle)
ferron
two nice girls
femme 2 femme

i will send more later...enjoy

julie

what a weird day...
last night i dream that i am due to perform in front of an audience with an
unseen other. we try to tune our guitars, but cant get them together, so my
co player says, look i know how to do it, and cuts off the neck of my
guitar, deep fries it (!) till it looks like courgette and sticks it back
on. somehow, it works! we know that we have to play 2 songs in front of this
audience, i say well, im planning to play a song called fugitive, how about
you? she says, uh oh, thats the one im planning to do. so, we play it twice
over!

back to reality, i visit my sons nursery and sit between two children
called... amy and emily !
later i watch northern exposure, a character says the word indigo as im
daydreaming on my favourite musical subject... the episode ends with'hymn to
her' which i lately saw chrissie hynde introduce as apparently a lesbian
anthem, and a song which is close to my heart

the apolgy dilemma. sorry i posted a private mail to the list the other day.
hard to decide whether to follow it up with an apology on its own, or
whether this is more annoying!
fiona
btw i have met some really nice people on this list
there's more than one answer to these questions, pointing me in a crooked
line...

ok, i am not sure if this is ok for the list, but i need to pass it on.
i am a diehard fan of melissa, but this is the ig mailing list.
i need to let all of you know that the ig do not get along with melissa.
i know this is a shocker....but at the march on washington a few years
back, they exchanged some not so nice words during the march...i will
send the exact words to you personally if interested....but i do not feel
that the ig girls would want to hear much melissa talk on the list...
i know i am taking a big assumption about this, since of course i am not
the ig...and they may have reconciled...but i have not heard this....
just a thought....if anyone has heard fact differently, please pass this
on to me....

thanks...julie

finally got to see the london concert titled....

ig and neil hunt in london...

geeze, neil...was there ever a span of more than 15 secs where you weren't
on camera ;)

how fun! my favorite spot has to be the look on emily's face in least
complicated when she spots kirsti playing tin whistle in the front row.
that look is priceless! i sense she almost lost it...great recovery.

jude, i'll support you on the admin change...you're right about the
traffic...i'm all for being treated like adults, but until folks learn the
most respectful way to handle the postings, i am more than willing to go
through an added step if it prevents the "yeah, me too" postings.

for those who may be new and aren't familiar with the problem, all we're
asking is that folks don't "quote" large passages of other's postings, just
to add one line of support. if one person did it or even 3, it wouldn't
matter, but the list is too large for that kind of communication anymore.
please respect the listmembers who have to pay for time on line and those
who subscribe to many lists.

much obliged,

tg
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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gondat@cc.tacom.army.mil        from win and lose and still somehow
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royal oak, michigan 48068-0248  i really don't know life...at all."
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+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

what about girls in the nose julie?

jamie suthard

"the closer we get, the harder the fall..."
-- indigo girls

"a smooth, round stone...as small as the world, as large as alone."

this might sound really random to most of you and i am sorry to post to
the whole list. but if there is anyone out there who is going to see ani
difranco in portland, or on the 4th or eugene, or on the 5th it would be
cool if we could meet up and just say hey! so if you are it would be cool
if you got back to me! hope there is someone who is going!!

carrie (in eugene who is sooooo excited about both shows!!!!)

yourfeetyourhandsyourmindyourmouthyourstomachyoureyesyourfeetyourhandsyourbodyar

i was just thinking, since many people on this list seem really
interested in seeing all the articles done about the ig, i could
transpose an interview i did for my student newspaper in 1992.
i wrote the article for the daily texan, university of texas,
during their tour in texas after seeing them in
houston and meeting amy after the show for an interview. it's pretty
good, but won't win me any writing awards. it was a blast sitting
down to talk with amy, though! she was still sweaty and wired from
the show.
if i can get my hands on the tape of the interview i'll copy that
verbatim also. i gave it to a friend a
long time ago and i'm not sure she still has it.

if anybody is interested e-mail me privately.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    james w.
     jwilker@third-wave.com
        caringosity killed the kerouac cat-
        sometimes truth is stranger than fiction
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

ok...i was going through my messages and didn't get to the changes in
sending messages until long after i sent some messages back to
individuals that are a) old news and b) not of interest to all.
please accept this formal apology, it will hopefully not happen again....

also, i was wondering if listening to tangled up in blue makes anyone
else's knees buckle, palms sweat and makes their heart rate raise a
million notches? write me back personally if this strange phenomenom has
overtaken you too at any time!

julie

i thought the igs were supposed to be accepting of all people.  how could
they not like people on the list to talk about someone, just because they
personally have exchanged words?  is this what the igs are about?  would
they try to influence their fans not to like melissa?  would they really
tell us not to talk about her?  i don't think this is the case...any one
else have an opinion?

jamie suthard

"the closer we get, the harder the fall..."
-- indigo girls

"a smooth, round stone...as small as the world, as large as alone."

thin line has become one of my new theme songs but i've been trying for quite
some time to decipher all the lyrics and i just can't seem to get them right. if anyone out there has em - please mail them to me.
thanks much -

avital
avital@chevre.cs.wisc.edu

thin line has become one of my new theme songs and i've been trying for quite
some time to decipher all the lyrics but i just can't seem to get them right.
if anyone oout there has em, please mail them to me.
thanks much -

avital
avital@chevre.cs.wisc.edu

at 12:24 pm 11/2/95 -0800, carla williams wrote:
>but how does one automatically attach a
>signature, assuming that is is automatic?  it
>must be, or some of you have way more time
>on your hands than i do :)
>
>carla, just go up to edit and copy your signature and then paste it to your
>next message.  it works just like microsoft word or windows.  maybe that's
>just how mine works, i'm through a university hook up (eudora).  any
>suggestions from anyone without a university hook up?  anyway, that's how you
>do it from my end.
hope that helps...oh, remember, in order to activate the "copy" topic under
edit, you have to highlight the part of the page  you want to copy.  maybe
you already knew that, just making sure...good luck...shelby
>
>
>--
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>to unsubscribe, send email to listserv@netspace.org
>        with the line: signoff indigo-girls

at 10:11 am 11/2/95 +0000, mr neil hunt wrote:
>morning :)

        i also, do not intend to offend anyone, this is just my opinion.
however, neil, you can't justify the 75...list unless you trully are
sexist.  i just don't believe in it.  the only way you can justify that
list is if the writers were women and they showed the characteristics that
mentioned on the list.  yes, i've heard black people call each other
nigger.  i've heard women call each other bitches.  i've heard lesbians
call each other dykes.  that's completely different than this list.  this
list is not something to be put through on e-mail because it can be seen by
anyone.  if a person wants to make fun of themselves with there friends,
that's fine, however, don't make fun with your friends and put it on the
internet where others who may be offended see it.  i guess i've just
contradicted myself in that i don't care if these were women who wrote the
75...list (which we can assume safely that they weren't women)it doesn't
excuse the fact that it was sent through a very public medium.  if you want
to make fun of yourself and your friends, fine, just don't send the
derrogatory statements to me or anyone else who doesn't want to see them.
do you understand my point?  i know that we don't have to read it, i agree
with that, this is just my input.   sorry i got all hot and flustered, but
this is a touchy subject for me...
shelby

>>would you rationalize or justify the posting of this joke to the humor list
>>>to get
>>a laugh out of a few racist assholes?
>
>me, i'm not on a humor list. maybe somewhere there's a 'racist asshole' list.
>that's not my point. my point is that it was written with the _intent_ to
>make someone laugh (i don't care if it was funny or not) but then it got
>twisted, and sent here with the _intent_ of being offensive.
>
>it's like...ooh, let's say the phrase 'you dyke'.
>it can be meant _really_ bitterly and hatefully, and also humerously, and
>maybe even also lovingly, depending on the situation. i've heard it used all
>three ways..maybe more...
>
>sexist jokes _in the right setting_ can be appropriate and funny. depending
>on the joke and the situation. maybe this list never was, but it could have
>been.
>
>i'm not defending the content of the list. i'm not saying it should have been
>written. i'm not saying much really. i'm saying that it was sent to the
>indigo girls list with the intent to upset and offend people. which i believe
>to be wrong and not the original intention. i will say no more.
>
>have a truly beautiful day, and may all your christmases be white :):)
>
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since i sent out the original message on this article (only a few
hours ago!) i've received many, many messages. so my apologies to
those who aren't interested, but i decided to send it out as a mass
mailing.
i'd appreciate any feedback, but be gentle: i was a newbie indi-ho
and, although i did much research before the interview i find some
glaring omissions/stereotypes. but in the interest of honest
journalism (happen to be one) i'm sending it out as-was without any
substantial edition.
please, i beg of you, be gentle.

the daily texan
student newspaper, the university of texas
monday, july 27, 1992

new shades of indigo
georgia duo attracts sellout audience in austin

        the sun sinks slowly past the grassy hillside in front of the stage, casting an
orange-red glow over the white fabric of the partial covering.
        the houston crowd jumps to its feet as the indigo girls (amy ray and emily
saliers) appear, playing their latest hit galileo. the audience remains standing for most of
the show, singing every song as if it were their own.
        the popularity of the indigo girls, especially with the lesbian community, is due in
part to their assertively independent lyrics. the truth is, there just aren't enough women
singing about anything but their men, whether declaring their love or lambasting their
faults. women groups just aren't as free as predominantly male groups to explore more
complex musical avenues. you can count the number of exceptions -- names like k.d. lang,
queen latifah, tracy chapman, suzanne vega and the indigo girls -- on two hands.
        the indigo girls sing about love, pain, and all the myriad emotional complexities
of life. they are about all these things, and somehow more, for these two women are truly
poets, not just rhymers -- something you don't find much in popular music. it's a purging
of sorts. the listener gets dragged through a complex emotional analysis which leaves
him/her with hope, but feeling a bit bruised emotionally.
        an underlying theme in all of ray and saliers' work is political activism, although
ray says they don't intentionally write that way.
        "we don't consciously put political ideas into our songs, they just come out
sometimes," ray explained after the concert, sipping on a glass of water, multi-colored
freedom rings hanging from a thong around her neck.
        "we don't consider ourselves political songwriters -- we just live our lives in a
political fashion, as individuals. not necessarily with our music all the time, just as
individuals."
        but their personal activism, ray admits, does have an influence on their music.
"we consider ourselves pretty active, and try to be involved. our way of giving to that
cause in our personal lives is to use our music, sometimes."
        although ray and saliers differ in how they view religion, ray said they are both
"liberal...extremely liberal."
        "emily and i feel differently," she says. "i tend to understand things that are more
on the edge _ you know, anarchy, why people associate themselves with different things.
emily's a little more attached to a certain kind of spiritual dogma, i think."
        "our political ideas...the basis is the same. we're both pro-choice, gay rights,
finding help for those with aids. basically all things bush is against, we're for .. it's kind
of sad," ray says.
        the indigo girls don't just pay lip service to causes they believe in -- for example,
they've supported greenpeace since their first album and now pay room and board for a
greenpeace representative to travel with the band, soliciting donations and spreading their
message.
        the indigo girls' fourth album, rites of passage, is as rich, complex and
emotionally charged as fans have come to expect. the first single, galileo, has become a
hit of sorts, and the band recently completed a video in louisiana for joking.
        "all my life i've painted with anger's brush," ray sings on the first album,
characterizing her music at that time. most of her writing is an emotional self-exploration,
with the pain of know one self's strengths and weaknesses, while saliers tends to use more
concrete imagery.
        the last two albums have been more upbeat, and it's hard to find a negative
passage on rites. again, ray gives listeners some perspective when she sings, "i left my
anger in a river running, highway five, new hampshire, vermont." if the tone of her
writing on rites is indicative, she has indeed leftmuch of her anger behind.
        ray mentions austin in one song, chickenman, a hodgepodge of imagery from a
trip to austin from houston on u.s. 290.
        "there's this big flea market outside of austin...this guy used to have, right next to
the market, a half acre of land covered with junk, with his trailer. he had a giant cardboard
sign that said 'chickenman.' "
        ray said the song is a reflection of her mod at the end of a hard tour. "i was
looking forward to going to hear two nice girls  -- that's what i mean when i sing, 'i was
looking for a girl, found a man and his world.' " she talked to the chickenman for a while
as he tried to sell her some of his junk. "he was a very enlightened person, in a weird
way."
        the indigo girls are back on the road to austin, which ray said is one of her
favorite cities, this time accompanied by poi dog pondering, a longtime favorite of ut
students.
        monday's show, however is not for everyone. it's for those who enjoy emotional,
heartfelt poetry put to music by two of the most talented women in
the music world today.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    james w.
     jwilker@third-wave.com
        he was a very enlightened person,
          in a weird way. -- amy ray
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

thanks y'all! i got about six copies of thin line. all i cansay is that you
guys are great!
all my love-
avital

on thu, 2 nov 1995, julie parker wrote:

> ok, i am not sure if this is ok for the list, but i need to pass it on.
> i am a diehard fan of melissa, but this is the ig mailing list.
> i need to let all of you know that the ig do not get along with melissa.
> i know this is a shocker....but at the march on washington a few years
> back, they exchanged some not so nice words during the march...i will
> send the exact words to you personally if interested....but i do not feel
> that the ig girls would want to hear much melissa talk on the list...
> i know i am taking a big assumption about this, since of course i am not
> the ig...and they may have reconciled...but i have not heard this....
> just a thought....if anyone has heard fact differently, please pass this
> on to me....
>
> thanks...julie
>
> --
> administrative requests should not be sent to the list!
> to unsubscribe, send email to listserv@netspace.org
> with the line: signoff indigo-girls
>
hmmmm...i don't know about that. i, too, am a diehard melissa fan and i
don't know if, when discussing our favorite bands, upcoming concerts,
life influences, we should tiptoe around her because she and the indigo
girls may not get along personally. whether or not they all get along,
the fact remains that they are three superb musicians and i think they
should be treated as such, personal differences aside. do you think a&e
would want us to ignore melissa's incredibly powerfully music based on
their opinion of her as a person? i hope not.

amanda

thin line by gerard mchugh
the backyard (soundcheck), autsin, tx, 9/1/94

i thought the time had passed
when i could find beauty in the birds
i set the stage and the scenery,
rehearsing every word

chorus:
but when i try to make it more, well, it was always less
it's a thin line between pleasing yourself and pleasing somebody else

so with my confidence on fire,
i set to fixing up my role
separation of desires,
it led me deeper down in the hole

chorus

now i'm trying to get back
to what i know that i should be
hoping to god
that i was just a temporary absentee.

chorus

i can understand the frustration about amy and emily not being
profiled with more regularity in magazines like rolling stone.  on
the other hand, my attitude is that it's their loss!  we don't need
rolling stone.  the great thing about lists like this is that, we can
make up for the loss of coverage by posting things the folks in the
"business" ignore.  rolling stone really upsets me because they put
people on the cover based on record sales, not necessarily quality.
they feel amy and emily don't sell enough to warrant a cover story or
a profile.  if that is what it comes down to, forget them!

as much as they tried to fight it, rolling stone because
establishment long ago, stories are chosen based on how much money
they think they can suck from the public.  if it comes down to that,
i got no time for them!  in order to put an article on amy and emily
in that rag, someone has to prove that enough readers will buy it to
make the company money.  that's how prostitutes work isn't it?

if rolling stone doesn't need amy or emily, then i don't need their
magazine!!!

rucr57a@prodigy.com

=>
=> looking for the guitar chords and lyrics to thin line. if anyone can help
=> me out, please e-mail me.
=>
thisisarecordingthisisarecordingthisisarecordingthisisarecordingthisisarecor

again, the ftp site for independent musicians such as gerard mchugh,
writer of "thin line" is located at: ftp.crl.com /users/mo/moj/music

subdirectories are divided by city or state and then artist name.

if anyone has any submissions that are not already posted, please send
them my way either via e-mail (moj@crl.com) or upload them to the
incoming/tabs directory at: ftp.crl.com /users/mo/moj/incoming/tabs

this tape will self destruct in 10 seconds...

stacie
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   "step outside your cage and let the real fool show" - roland orzabal

hello everyone!
my mother is an astrologer (as well as an ig fan) and has requested that
i ask ya'll for amy and emily's birth data.
so if anyone out there knows the exact dates, places and *times* of a &
e's respective births, please e-mail me privately. my mum would be
extremely grateful for the info...

you people rock. it's so comforting to to know i'm not alone...

jen

on thu, 2 nov 1995, tiggers don't like honey wrote:

> did anyone who ordered the list t-shirt from jon miner ever get theirs?
> i'd be interested in knowing since i don't have mine yet, and i don't
> have his e-mail address.
i had this same question awhile ago, and as far as i know no one has
received their shirts (you are not alone!!) i got a hold of jon, and he
said that there was a delay of some sort, but things were moving along.
if you want more specifics, here is his address:
jjminer@mailbag.com
hope this helps!!
jenn
jlk299s@nic.smsu.edu

this is for chris and anyone else who's interested.

the southern voice -- a.k.a. sovo, atlanta's gay rag -- printed it in
august, 1994.

--lori
__________________________________
"clearing up a coming out"

during the last 6 1/2 years of my current relationship, i have not once
considered myself "in the closet."  before 1987 i can honestly say that i
was sometimes uncertain where i stood and had a lot of growing to do.
since 1987, i have not struggled with the closet; i have struggled with
how to be a gay activist and also a musician, without becoming known only
by my sexual orientation.  for me, everyone i meet, everyone i love, and
my whole being expose themselves through my art.  how could i ever deny
what i am?

my first gay/feminist focused interview was in 1991 with hot wire
magazine.  it had not occurred to me to do specifically gay press prior
to this; i had been immersed in the alternative music scene.  i felt
completely focused on my career as a musician, before all other facets of
life.  the indigo girls are worth much more to the gay movement now
because our focus enabled us to attain a certain level and status.  i
might add that any interviewer that posed "sexual politics" questions was
given an honest answer.  while politics may not have been a focus early
on, honesty has always been my strongest policy.

as i began discovering gay papers and organizations, i personally felt
compelled to do "gay press."  because the issue of gay activism is so
important to me, i always steered away from publications involving
gossip, separatism, exploitation or manipulation.  any special interest
press (i.e. folk, gay, women's) that wanted to do an ig interview was
very closely investigated because usually these publications involve
issues that we feel very specific about.  for example, we passed on the
advocate at a time when the office was fraught with sexual harassment
charges.  when the charges were cleared up, we were ready and willing to
speak with the advocate.

long before the 10 percent interview (which focused on my record label)
were the ig performance at the dc 1993 gay rights march, personal
participation in atlanta gay pride, volunteer work for aid atlanta, gay
rights/aids benefits (including smyl, arca, project open hand,
childkind), many college radio and press interviews discussing gay
issues, out magazine, and many very "public" music business functions
with my domestic partner at my side.

i run a record label with several gay and straight friends.  my label
focuses on music regardless of gender, race, or sexual preference.  i
consider this label important to the arts community.  i do not draw
boundaries in my life, art, or business.

my situation with southern voice is a personal one.  there have been many
times when i disagreed with the newspaper's approach.  it seems that the
arts and entertainment section cares more about sexuality than the
accomplishments of the artist.  when ellen james society (local band that
was on my label) did an interview to promote their upcoming album release
and tour (1992), the article failed to emphasize their album, tour dates,
or music.  sovo was only interested in the "gay" members of the band,
even though the band as a whole had been extremely supportive of gay
issues.  this failure to focis on the band's music and the alienation of
its "straight" members did nothing to help the band or the gay community.

when susan owens (emily's d. partner) asked sovo to do a story on the
opening of her environmental store in virginia highlands (the common
pond), sovo showed little interest unless "emily or amy" would accompany
her to the interview. this is the type of exploitation and manipulation
i avoid. why not support susan owens on her own merit?

my feelings that sovo was not sincerely interested in supporting our
music as much as our sexual preference led me to avoid the newspaper.  i
felt like a commodity.  part of furthering our cause as a gay population
is the promotion of our accomplishments.  if i am a struggling gay
teenager, it means more to me to read about the dreams and achievements
of a gay artist or business person than to read a whole article detailing
their personal life.  in the past six or seven years i have felt so
comfortable with my sexuality that i never thought of dwelling on it.
however, as our struggle to gain equal rights continues, i feel a need to
emphasize my politics whenever possible.

you can bet i will honor the publications that have supported me during
my own honest and very public evolution. my family has overcome
prejudice and fear, my friends have listened patiently, my record label
and manager have supported me unconditionally, i am blessed with a
musical partner whose honesty is matchless, and i have seen courage
beyond compare. don't inject this important, beautiful movement with
bitterness, gossip, and petty infighting.

sincerely,
amy ray

and then there's an editor's note...

ed. note: southern voice regrets the error of reporting that amy ray had
only recently come out and that the first story to that effect was in 10
percent. however, we must point out that ms. ray's statement about
southern voice and its story on common pond is inaccurate.

just wanted to let those of you in the bay area who might be interested in
seeing october project at bimbo's in san francisco on november 9th know about
a special promotion.....

tower records will be selling the new cd "falling farther in" at the show.
anyone who buys the cd at the show gets two free passes to a special
after-show cocktail party to meet the band.

can't stress strongly enough that this is definitely a band worth seeing!! :)

-connie

original messages follow:

>>thought i'd add my two cents without being repetitive.  has anyone out
there
>>heard of or listened to october project.  they've managed to stay pretty
low
>>key in this area.  if you're looking for amazing vocalists, here you go.
>
>yes! yes! yes!  october project's self-titled debut album is exceptional and
>what an incredible voice she (mary, the lead singer) has!!!  i saw them play
>at the great american music hall in san francisco last year and it is the
>first time i have ever seen such a relatively unknown band receive a
standing
>ovation like they did!!!  btw they have a new cd out titled "falling farther
>in" and for anyone in the bay area who is interested, they will be playing
at
>bimbo's in san francisco on november 9th!!  well worth checking out!!
>
>

>>>>> "james" == james w <jwilker@srvr.third-wave.com> writes:

    james> time. most of her writing is an emotional self-exploration,
    james> with the pain of know one self's strengths and weaknesses,
    james> while saliers tends to use more concrete imagery.  the last

i would tend to think that the opposite is true. i relate to emily's
songs better, because they seem to deal more with emotional
explorations and abstract imagery. amy is a lot more direct, as
reflected in the more simple "rock"-y chords and beats to her songs.
though amy's voice totally speaks to me.

what do the rest of you think? overall, a very interesting article.

--
--
"like breaking and entering?"
"just... entering."
-- angela and jordan

>and then there's an editor's note...
>
>ed. note: southern voice regrets the error of reporting that amy ray had
>only recently come out and that the first story to that effect was in 10
>percent. however, we must point out that ms. ray's statement about
>southern voice and its story on common pond is inaccurate.
>
if amy's comment about sue owens's shop was inaccurate, then what actually
did happen? why do they just say "amy's comment was inaccurate" - what's
their story?

mat
mts5@aber.ac.uk

just thought i'd mention that hmv's so-called "hell of a sale" (it's not
actually - is 10.99 pounds a "sale" price ??) is currently selling the ig's
"4.5" compilation cd at 8.99 pounds [that was only a pound less than it was
selling at when first released, but the cheapest i've seen it so far, here
in liverpool anyway]. not seen the price of "100 curfews" as a uk import yet,
but i wouldn't be surprised if it was in the 22-25 pounds region, knowing how
outrageously uk record stores mark-up us imports...

richard

howdyhowdyhowdy

the debate rages on...'s funny...my signature and this have thus far brought
more mail than all my recent igc posts (which have brought nil!!)
it's a funny old world...but i kinda like it...

>however, neil, you can't justify the 75...list unless you trully are
>sexist.

i don't consider myself anything-ist.
i'm not trying to justify it.
i didn't find it funny and those are not my views.
i can't even remember it.

>it doesn't
>excuse the fact that it was sent through a very public medium.

the list has been made and cannot be unmade.
the person who sent it to the list wanted to show that she was upset by
this list.
sending the list to this list increaced the offence caused.
it also increaced the chance that this list will be distributed further,
for whatever reason.
hence, more people will read it, and be hurt/offended/upset/amused, depending
on their viewpoint.

so, sending this list here has done more damage than good.

especially for me, because now i am seen to be defending something i don't
want to defend, but i maybe am trying to speak for those who wrote (and now
regret writing) the list who are not here to defend themselves...i do not
believe the list was written with malicious intent, even though it is
obviously offensive. is that a contradiction in terms??

i guess i shouldn't have bothered. i publically apologise for anyone who
was, or will be offended, upset, hurt by my apparant justification for this,
and furthermore i realise that by doing what i believed to be right that i
have in my own way drawn more attention to something that should not be.

i trust the issue will now rest. (and please, if you want to tell me i'm
a jerk, do it in private email....but if you want do agree with me, do it
publically :>:>)

sleep well and be happy.

@}--,--'---

>finally got to see the london concert titled....
>
>ig and neil hunt in london...
>
no terry, that's

neil hunt live in london (with indigo girls) :):)

>geeze, neil...was there ever a span of more than 15 secs where you weren't
>on camera ;)

gotta love me :):) it's amazing what bribing the director can do...although
both of the things i think really make me look dumb are on there, so...

>how fun! my favorite spot has to be the look on emily's face in least
>complicated when she spots kirsti playing tin whistle in the front row.
>that look is priceless! i sense she almost lost it...great recovery.

*clears throat*
*taps foot*
and me. don't forget neily :) i played one too y'know :):)
how 'bout she smiled at kirsti, the laugh was for me...??

>terry (as in teresa)

neily (as in neily)...y'know, and this is no offence, some people when they
call me neily _really_ annoy me, not that that's anyone on the list, but i
just thought i'd share that with the world...

people keep asking me about the chocolate girl...so...

it's from the song 'chocolate girl' (funnily enough) by a band called
deacon blue who are very very big in britain (no.1 albums/singles) but who
aren't known in the states unfortunately...

our town - the greatest hits is a truly wonderful release and i would rate it
higher than any indigo girls album (on the right day...) so...

if anyone wants a tape of it...just ask 'cos you're not likely to find it in
the states...

anyway, the whole lyric 'cause it's kinda neat...

alan doesn't understand her
he only thinks in numbers
he only drinks in restaurants
where the girls are fully covered

and he can't trust his yearnings
and he doesn't like pretending
his temper's streatched so much by work
his heart needs gentle rending

and he calls her the chocolate girl
cause he thinks she melts when he touches her
and she knows she's the chocolate girl
cause she's broken up and swallowed
and wrapped in bits of silver...

alan doesn't understand her
he says he's only human
so he still lights up with old flames
as if to try to prove it

and he doesn't like emotion
he's not certain of their ardour
cause if pouting carries so much fun
then breaking hearts is harder

and he calls her the chocolate girl
cause he thinks she melts when he touches her
and she knows she's the chocolate girl
cause she's broken up and swallowed
and wrapped in bits of silver...

alan doesn't understand her
he thinks it's getting harder
so he spends the nights with old friends
underneath the covers

and he talks about the chocolate girl
and how he thinks she melts when he touches her
and she knows she's the chocolate girl
cause she's broken up and swallowed
and wrapped in bits of silver...

@}--,--'---

on fri, 3 nov 1995, the babesther wrote:

> i would tend to think that the opposite is true. i relate to emily's
> songs better, because they seem to deal more with emotional
> explorations and abstract imagery. amy is a lot more direct, as
> reflected in the more simple "rock"-y chords and beats to her songs.
> though amy's voice totally speaks to me.

hmm, i think a case could be made either way here. i mean, amy's written
songs as vague as abstract as tmf and even 'secure yourself' is pretty
abstract. emily definitely does speak more directly to the emotions
though - i think (for me at least) largely through the sheer beauty of
the music.

but anyway.  an interesting thought i had while listening to bmhawk on
the way home (thanks for dinner andrew :) - what do you think the effect
on bmhawk would be if amy had started off singing, not emily?  harsher,
softer, or perhaps more different?  geez, what a nitpicker i am. :)

i had another interesting thought, but i forgot it - darn. :)
sherlyn
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
piquet the cat - piquet@geko.com.au; aka sherlyn koo - sherlyn@geko.com.au
"well life has a funny way of sneaking up on you when you think everything's
        okay and everything's going right...
and life has a funny way of helping you out when you think everything's gone
        wrong and everything blows up in your face..."
                        - alanis morissette, "ironic"

i can *barely* wait until the 16th to see the girls go online....aol's center
stage area (they usually advertises, using a one-line description of who will
be featured, on the main menu) has a rolling chat area where you can read the
questions and then the answers from the guests. you can submit questions to
the moderator who then feeds the questions to the guests....sometimes the
number of questions is so great that your question never is submitted but it
is cool to watch the interchange...i think we (the list) should get a couple
of questions together...i would be willing to submit them....;-) jude

how many of you knew that "intimate strangers" is also the name of a
sally struthers made-for-tv movie a few years back?

just made me giggle when i found out

rebecca.

"you have to be realistic, and demand the impossible"
-- michelle shocked

first of all, hello, i'm stacie and i'm very new to the internet as well
as this list so please bear with me if i sound uninformed.

second, i have been listening for a few days now and have noticed some
controversy over whether to talk about melissa ethridge due to some
suspected conflict between ig and her...personally i think that we all
are using the list because we are interested in ig and their music; if we
are interested in ig's isn't it likely that we are interested in other
musicians? i believe this is evident in the number of other musicians who
are often alluded to and/or quoted in messages and reply's
also, in my experience, it seems as though when the igs come up, many times,
so does me and kd (for obvious reason)
so although ig and me may not care for each other i guess i would just
assume that there is a professional curtosy which allows for fans
occassionally referring to me on this list...any other thoughts in
support or opposed to this view???

third, i was wondering about a list for me - just a coincindence!!!

hey jude-
i noticed that your address isn't aol. does this mean that you don't
have to have an account to participate? if so, how?

take care,
erica

yeah, whatever happened to the digest news mode? much as i love getting
mail from all you folks its doing my head in cos i don't get round to
reading it everyday....
rach

on tue, 31 oct 1995, s. walker wrote:

> i have a question. i really like this group and i want to stay on on the list
> but i have been trying to find a way where i dont get a 100 mail a day
> . i know i shouldnt be writing about this on here but i really am confused
> if there is a way just to get one big mail thing once a month or once a week
> instead of every day. if you can help e-mail me back. and once again im sorry
> for writting this here.
> sarah
>
> --
> administrative requests should not be sent to the list!
> to unsubscribe, send email to listserv@netspace.org
> with the line: signoff indigo-girls
>

ok everyone.....i am going to respond to a million messages in one...
first of all, when i wrote that message yesterday about me and ig..
i was in a bit of frustration mode because i signed up to
this list to discuss ig.. melissa fans have their own
internet area. don't get me wrong, i am a huge melissa fan, and i belong
to that internet area too, but that is why ig list is called that and
melissa is called hers. ok ok it is kind of shallow for me to say i
don't think we should talk so much about other artists, and to clarify
that...i think a small amount of talk about nigc is not a problem...but
it has seemed to me..(after reading 100 plus messages a day for awhile)
that it had become excessive.....just a personal opinion of course

next: yes i am pretty new to this list, but i have been reading every
message for several days now, and i feel i have gotten the jist of what
goes on here for the most part...it was suggested by someone that i don't
throw out "shockers" being so new...i assure you that i was not sending
that message as a shocker...it was to help support a point i was
attempting to make.

next: after careful overnight consideration, i came to the conclusion
that it is definately a form of gossip that probably didn't need to be
brought up...(the exact words) but i do not want to leave everyone hanging.
first of all i know this because i was at the march, and several other
people heard the same thing....melissa turned around and in a hateful
(not playing) tone said to ig "aren't you guys the something...the
unpopular...the something or other girls or something?" and the ig
exchanged words with them...i also had a friend that worked a lot with
amy on a project and she passed on the same news to me...they didn't get
along..

next: i received several messages from people saying they had seen them
perform together...how could they not get along? ....i think it is
important to remember that just because people perform on stage
together does not mean they get along when they are out
of their stage presence.

finally: i do not claim to know it all.. i am just another'
fan, talkin' on a list...passing on my opinions
and ideas and facts i know to be true...if anyone
takes these things too personally..i would like to
suggest another opinion...you are spending too much time on
your computer...get out in the world and live..

ok....breathe......lets move on to a more productive topic..

julie

judith hunter is volunteering to forward some questions to the girls on aol.
here's a few of mine:

how many songs do they typically record for a cd and how many "leftovers" do
they have? any chance that we'll eventually get to hear some of these songs
(maybe a boxed set of released and unreleased)?

do they help in the writing of the ig songbooks?

will the next studio album be a more back-to-basics style or will they continue
with the elaborate arrangement style similar to swamp ophelia?

do they ever read or get any information regarding this list? what do they
think of this list?

and, my favorite:

have they listened to "indicated ii" - the collection of ig songs as performed
by list members? they've each been given a copy of the tape in person but have
they actually listened to it?

let's hear from you!!

rob

perry from rdr has just called to let me know that he has just
acquired a *sealed* copy of the original indie ep on vinyl, and
it is the original seal, not a re-done job.

he also has a mint, though not sealed, copy of the indie strange
fire on vinyl.

the prices are high as they are extremely rare items and perry,
in gratitude to the list for all of its support, is keeping his mark up
low from the cost he paid. and the list is getting first shot.

this is a set sale not an auction. call him at 1-800-636-6166 for
more details.

amy p.                          /       who holds your hand
pegasus@crl.com                /        when you're alone
                              /
the original photo monk      /                  --patty larkin

does anyone have access to "billboard" to know how 1200c is doing
in the charts?

nancy humphries
nancy@rbdc.rbdc.com

i have noticed alot of people have put mary chapin carpenter on their lists
of artists that they listen to (i'm one of them :). i just got back from a
used bookstore where i found her cd "hometown girl". i have only heard of
it once before and have had no luck in getting it through the music stores.
it is a great disc for anyone who likes her music.

if you don't have i suggest getting a copy. i have listened to it three
times since i got home (gotta love that repeat button :) its great :)

back to listenin'

pat
wingstar@mulberry.com

                "adding up the total of a love that's true
                   multiply life by the power of two"
                               es

                  "nobody gets a life time rehersal
                  as specks of dust we're universal"
                               es

i am auctioning     1)land oof cannon + five live-------very rare
                         tracks include: crazy game
                                         love of the common people
                                         mona lisas and madhatters
                                         secure yourslef
                                         kid fears
                                         land of cannon
                     *this is a record

                    2)put your green shoes on--ig sing wild wild party
                    3)galileo import single--galileo closer to fine,
                                             tried to be true, hammer and
                                              a nail
                    4)least complicated import single--with acoustic
                                           versions of mystery, dead man's
                                           hill
                    5)touch me fall single---with acoustic versions of
                                              woodsong and reunion
                    6)jen and lara---never home

send bids to jrshade@cc.owu.edu.....this auction will end next friday..
thanks a lot ....josh

maybe someone could ask them when they go on america online.

and neil - do you know kirsti personally? or do you have her e-mail?
maybe if she ever gets another interview with them she could ask them then.

mat
mts5@aber.ac.uk

>judith hunter is volunteering to forward some questions to the girls on aol.
>here's a few of mine:
>
>how many songs do they typically record for a cd and how many "leftovers" do
>they have?  any chance that we'll eventually get to hear some of these songs
>(maybe a boxed set of released and unreleased)?
>
>do they help in the writing of the ig songbooks?
>
>will the next studio album be a more back-to-basics style or will they continue
>with the elaborate arrangement style similar to swamp ophelia?
>
>do they ever read or get any information regarding this list?  what do they
>think of this list?
>
>and, my favorite:
>
>have they listened to "indicated ii" - the collection of ig songs as performed
>by list members?  they've each been given a copy of the tape in person but have
>they actually listened to it?
>
>let's hear from you!!
>
>rob
>
>--
>administrative requests should not be sent to the list!
>to unsubscribe, send email to listserv@netspace.org
>        with the line: signoff indigo-girls
>

> ...it was suggested by someone that i don't throw out "shockers" being
> so new...
what?!?!?  all right...i'm fairly new too (3-4 months).  i've tried to
stay out of most of the controversies (i.e. segregation of music, the
recent 75 list), but this is unbelievable!!!  i understand that some
people on the list have been around longer than others, but telling
someone that just because he/she is new he/she should keep his/her mouth
shut?  i thought we were more accepting than that.  telling people to
keep their opinions to themselves is a form of intolerance - we don't
like it, we won't hear it.  i don't care how long someone has been on the
list, they cannot play "big brother" and tell people what can and cannot
be said.  welcome to the list, julie.  i assure you that we are usually
more accepting.
jenn
jlk299s@nic.smsu.edu

here's marybeth and ashley's november schedule ...

2 -- marybeth's birthday
3 -- mcgregor's - harve de grace, md (9pm - 1am)
4 -- hepburn's - philly, pa (10pm - 1am)
5 -- rumor's - dover, de (7 - 10pm)
9 -- mr. henry's upstairs - dc (8 - 11pm)
10 -- hershee bar - norfolk, va (9:30 - 11:30pm)
11 -- a gathering - wilmington, va (no time as of today)
12 -- tracks - columbus, sc (8 - 10pm)
13 -- ralph's - nashville, tn (9 - 11pm)
16 -- the other side - atlanta, ga (9pm - ???)

e-mail me for more info ...

chris

hi..i want you to know first that i am about 400 messages behind in my
lists so someone may have already said this but just thought id throw it
up there so it will be out there. :)

it would be really cool to be collectively known as intimate strangers,
since it's a great phrase, and as a list, hey, that's what we are. but,
how does one become an intimate stranger? there's only one person. both
words are sort of negated by the idea of only one person. "i'm a deadhead"
works as nicely as "we're deadheads." but, "i'm an intimate stranger"
just does not work as nicely as "we're intimate strangers."

something like "i'm an indighost" works as nicely as "we're indighosts."

of course, for all i know, y'all are not even discussing the name
anymore--gotta read that mail. :)

plus, what if someone hates reunion? (gasp!) if we weere something like
indighosts, where we use a word that's in many songs but is also really
prominent, then it's even better...even if someone doesn't like the one
song it reminds them of most...<huge gasp at the thought of people not
liking reunion and ghost. scary. trembling.>

linda, strong enough for a man but ph balanced for a woman

(who will now tell people who aren't on the list and don't know lorinda
that i am "lindigo"--he he he) ("after they took from you everything they
could steal, how does it feel?") (ig's covered that song sometime? hmm?
did they? or does amy just like it lots and lots? anyone? hello?) :) ?

ok, i have another question to add for the aol thing with a and e:

have either of you ever written a song that the other dislikes and refuses
to play?

and
what do you think would have happened in your life if you'd never been given a
guitar? (this one's mostly for amy, since emily would have been a teacher.)

that's all i can think of right now.

oh, and i just wanted to comment on the letter amy wrote to sovo. thanks to
whoever posted it, for posting it. :) i just have to say that it _really_ is
_wonderfully_ written. amy really has got all her ducks in a row. (so to
speak). she can express herself as beautifully in prose as in poetry.

folkisgruven,
l-

lorinda wright           "learn to pretend there's more than love that
lw01@lehigh.edu           matters. -e.s.
lehigh university         "a thousand guitar strings - amy
bethlehem, pa             two guitar strings - emily
    i           will            not         be              complacent

hi y'all! someone sent me the this. it's too expensive for me but if
anyone else is interested...

rebecca.

---------- forwarded message ----------
date: wed, 1 nov 95 19:37:10 -0500
from: maverick productions, inc. <mavinc@in.net>
to: rebecca gaukroger <gaukroge@uiuc.edu>
subject: re: signed & certified music items

rebecca,

thank you for your inquiry. i have a black & white press kit photo
of signed by both. in the photo why are walking down a dirt road with their
backs to the camera carring guitars. you can't really see their faces but
thety signed on each side. the photo is $85 and that includes shipping &
handling. if interested please let me know and i will hold the photo for 7
days. we accept money orders & checks. our address is:

maverick productions, inc.
4326 fall creekway north
indianapolis, indianapolis 46205

thanks again,

shawn

here're some more questions, from me... and good luck to the person/people
who are going to submit them!

regarding 1200 curfews: how many songs did they originally have for
consideration before deciding on the final 27? do they think that they
perhaps made what could have been perceived as 'odd' song choices, for
example leaving off an entire version of touch me fall? how many tapes
did they listen to altogether, to draw their songs from?

yaaaaawns, :)
sherlyn (piquet@geko.com.au, sherlyn@geko.com.au)
=-==-==-== sherlyn koo -(geko staff)- sherlyn@geko.com.au ==-==-==-=
"and were i a deadwood ship, my heart a compass, i would leave with
inanimate grace, no love could touch me. but i live and i know that
i'll burn as i grow, though it may break my heart to walk away..."
- dar williams, "i love, i love"

does anyone have the chords to it won't take long by ferron..any help
would be very appreciated..thanks..josh

remember someone posting about russell carter management looking for a good
clear boot of chickenman ????

then suddenly they didn't need one ... it had been announced on the radio or
something !?!?

well i happened to talk to a friend last night who happened to have heard
about this search for chickenboots and called russell carter's office and got
to speak to russell himself ... my friend had a bunch of boots from april
1995 with amy doing her extended versions of chickenman ... anyways, my
friend said russell was very interested and wanted these boots sent courier
to the ny studio that they were mixing 1200c at ... so my friend rushed home
to find the tapes when the courier showed up ... he packed up about 8 boots
with chickenman and put his address and phone number in the package and sent
them off ... then he contact russell again to assure that the boots would be
returned once they were finished with them ... and russell said "of course"
...

needless to say, russell carter management never returned the tapes and is
now not accepting phone calls from my friend inquiring the whereabouts of his
tapes ...

if only he had been given enough time to copy them prior to the courier
appearing ...

just thought i'd post about it ...

i really wish i had gotten copies before this too - at least i could replace
what he had ... including the infamous april 12th show ...

chris

"you'll miss my conversation, when you're talking to yourself ..." -- emily

in a message dated 95-11-03 16:33:25 est, you write:

>does anyone have access to "billboard" to know how 1200c is doing
>in the charts?
>
>nancy humphries
>nancy@rbdc.rbdc.com
>
hi nancy!

the billboard top 200 album chart for nov. 4th lists 1200c at #47 this week,
nationally. the watershed video is listed at #21 as a new entry on the video
charts. (however, here in san francisco stores,1200c is in the top 15!) :)

-connie

the votes are in and the preferred name is: indigs!

i have to warn you all about something.  not very many people voted,
so it is not the view of the majority of the people on this list.  i
guess the thing to do is for each individual to refer to the group of
indigo girls' fans anyway they choose.  just don't pick a name for
all of us that is obviously inappropriate, for instance, i don't like
being called a "girlie" and prefer not to be called that.

until we can get a majority, however, i guess everyone can call the
rest of us what they want. if you prefer intimate strangers or
indigs or equal partners or whatever, go for it!

i wonder if deadheads started this way.

rodney (don't call me girlie) wicker
rucr57a@prodigy.com

>i remember her next album was to be released in oct. 1993, then pushed
>to '94 , now it is eventually <i hope> coming out (pun sorta intended--but
> only as an afterthought).
>
if tracy chapman's album was meant to be released in 1993 and was "bumped"
several times, we should thank our lucky stars ... remember that last album
of hers? maybe this time she's written some good songs (and ditched all
those session men - larry klein, tony levin, mike campbell et al).

hate to offend anyone, but ...

mat
mts5@aber.ac.uk

this has probably been asked a thousand times before (though not in the few
weeks i've been on the list) - who are the people in the cafe in the inside
front cover of the strange fire cd?   i realise that the one in the apron
standing up is probably emily, but who are the rest of them?   did they just
happen to be there at the time?   or are they friends of amy's and emily's?

anyone?

mat
mts5@aber.ac.uk

        "i am nothing especially,
           just an uptight man on a useless journey."
              - vic chesnutt

(please note: the following is my 2-cents on an issue i feel strongly
about. it is my opinion and that's all. anyone who starts a flame war
over this will be ignored. please e-mail any comments to me directly.)

as a struggling independent musician, i need to voice my opinion on an
injustice i see happening here on the internet.  many people lately have
been holding auctions where some of the items are not-rare-at-all cds
and/or tapes by independent musicians.  obviously, items like wendy's
"rage in the ring" don't count since it's out of print and very rare.
but when i saw jen & lara's brand new cd in an auction (not a sale where
it was priced at less than what the person paid for it), it broke my
heart as it appears that someone may actually make a profit off a very
good piece of music.  this, in turn, will take money _away_ from j & l,
whose intent by recording the thing in the first place was to share their
music and make some extra money at the same time.

i have seen many musicians, managers, distributors, venue owners,
technicians, etc. bust their ass for next-to-nothing in an attempt to
promote something they strongly believe in. if nothing else, the very
least they deserve is a little respect.

thanks for listening.

peace,
stacie
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"how do you look into a mirror and justify you're alright?" - mark reynolds

hey (said neil, who has just gotten a message from the list that he sent on
october 20...wieeeerrrd....)

for anyone in the london area who hasn't got the compilation spirit of 73
which has ig's doing 'it won't take long' (and rather badly too compared to
how they did with ferron...)

it's never been released here (i don't think...) although promos are around,
and it's these (full album/artwork promos) that are on sale for the princely
sum of three quid at the following establishment...

the legendary (to neil, anyway...) steve's sounds in soho/chinatown
(that's 20 newport court, nr leicester square...) 0171 437 4638
i have no clue if they do mail order (they probably don't, but...) but if they
do, i guess it should only be a quid, which is still a bit of a barg :)

@}--,--'--

sorry...should've remembered this before...

on the sony www pages for the ig's, there's a list of all the concerts that
they've done since signing to epic...and i was wondering...well, who made this
list 'cause...

for their urban nirvana gig they shared with viva la diva which on my copy is
dated as 11/93 it's the exact same format as the sony list.
but julie meloni and someone else confirmed the actual date which was in
october sometime...

so who got what from whom. or shouldn't i be worrying about this...

@}--,-'---

does anyone out there know the actual release date for 12cc in canada? i
was told the 17th of oct. but that it has been pushed back. anyone know when?

pat (waiting impatiently :( )
wingstar@mulberry.com

                "adding up the total of a love that's true
                   multiply life by the power of two"
                               es

                  "nobody gets a life time rehersal
                  as specks of dust we're universal"
                               es

on sat, 4 nov 1995, pat stark wrote:

> does anyone out there know the actual release date for 12cc in canada? i
> was told the 17th of oct. but that it has been pushed back. anyone know when?

i have also been looking for 1200 curfews in canada.  sony only puts out
new releases on tuesdays, so i have been checking with my local music
stores each tuesday since october 10.  every week the release date gets
pushed back 1 week.  the last time i checked i was told the new release
date is november 7.  being slightly skeptical by now, i phoned sony music
up to ask what they had as a release date.  they told me that the release
date is tba.  in other words, they're not really sure.
obviously if sony music doesn't know, then nobody does!

anxiously waiting also.....

leslie.

i'm so very sorry that i sent that last email to everyone. it was
definitely an accident. sorry

eli

i think i heard that either amy or emily owned a restaurant or bar or
something in the atlanta area...i think it was emily.  then i saw on
"watershed" taht she tried to buy the little five points.  or was that
amy?  (i get so confused these days. =)  anyone know anything??

mandy

kudos,moj for expressing something that most people don't think about.
as an independent artist myself, i can completely relate to how difficult
it is financially to make your music available to everyone.  it takes a
long time, lots of money and sacrifice to get to be heard by even a small
percentage of people that you want to reach.  it is helpful for everyone
to realize that these growing, struggling artists depend on their cd
sales and their ticket sales in order to make it even to the next album.
these projects most often are funded by the artists themselves and every
single sale they make keeps them alive.  hopefully, one day with that
support they will make it to the status of the indigo girls or other
successful artists.     independent artist rely on their fans not only to
listen to their music, but to help them continue to provide it.  please
support them!!                    traci

---------- forwarded message ----------
date: sun, 5 nov 1995 11:58:31 -0500 (est)
from: toni rich <trich@email.unc.edu>
to: moj <moj@crl.com>
cc: multiple recipients of list indigo-girls <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
subject: re: auctioning independent music (nigc)

i recognise that liar's scrawl quote ... where's it from? and where did
you get that other quote ("if you don't live what you sing about...")?

mat
mts5@aber.ac.uk

hi everyone,
        i am presently trying to write an essay for my venice, italy
application.  i hope to study there next fall, but first i need to be
accepted into the group.  the application is due tomorrow and of course
i have left this until today, but that is such a lynn-thing to do.
        this email does have a point, i'm not just rambling.  i'm glad that
everyone likes "indigs"- it is my personal favorite as well.  i think of
it as "i dig the indigo girls"- that sort of thing.  now i am rambling-
sorry!
        yesterday someone asked if emily and amy knew anything about this
list and if so if they liked it or not.  as far as i know, they both know
that this list exists but neither of them are too thrilled about it.  i
really don't blame them- i think i would not be too fond of a group of
people who analyzed my every haircut, wardrobe choice, smoking habit, etc.
but i must admit that i am one of these analyzers so i have no excuse.
        i have a question for anyone who knows: does russell carter mgmt.
take interns for the summer?  or daemon records for that matter.  either of
these would be my dream internship..i would love insight on this if anyone
could assist..  thanks a lot and sorry for the bandwidth!  love, lynn :)
p.s.- hi to "my amy" maggie, lorinda and jamie "soulmate" suthard.  ciao!

here is a portion of an interview amy gave to spin magazine in 1989
about the meaning of "kid fears:"

'"kid fears' is about the difficulty of growing up, getting into a
world where people know where your  hiding places are and what your
secrets are.  in the third verse, when i say, 'skipping stones/we
know the price now,' that's specifically about the music industry.  i
used the image of skipping stones  because the flatter and smoother
the stone is, the better it skips, and the more spin you put on it,
the   farther it goes.  when i say smooth, i'm talking about being
polished and dressing right.  'we know the  price now/any sin will
do'--there's lots of things you can do to get further in the industry,
and a lot of  them are sins to me because they are compromises."

hope that answers the question about that song's meaning!!

hi all,
        good ole jerry has quite a substantial resume, as i've been
looking into it.  if anyone has any other info on other projects he's can
be found on, please let me know.
        i know he did a stint with tears for fears (the guy i play with
is a big fan of tff), he's done stuff with 10000 maniacs, and has
produced some kristen hall stuff.  he's also recently apppeared on the
new october project cd, for those fans.

he's too undeerrated....

"i aim to please the girlies..."-e.s.
teri

i received some third hand info from this address and would like to know if
this is a club, newsgroup, etc. please send me more info.
thanks!

hey indigs...whatever...
        i need some help from y'all.  my band is changing it's name and
i'd like to use a ig referencee that's kind of subtle...
        let me give you some info that might help.  we took the name
"mental splooge" when we were writing a lot of novelty stuff in high
school. it was all a big joke actually.  now, the stuff is rather
relevant and not that joking.  it's still cynical and ironic, but we
don't sing about banana slugs anymore...:)
        my songwriting partner is really set upon the name "there's the
city".  first off...what do you all think of it, because it has no ig
reference, but i'm ready to settle on it.
        however, he has also come up with "in my lifetime" and i thought
that was such a cool, but not too obvious take on ig ("galileo").  other
ig strings were "big mystery", "intimate strangers" (i told him no cause
it might be the list's name).  i cna't really remember the other ones,
but you get the idea...
        my name i really would like is "kill the messenger", which is a
shawn colvin reference, but i just love the ring of it.   randall says it
sounds too death metalish.  oh well...
        what do you all think?  does "there's the city" work for ya?  any
better suggestions????
        i never got into that nickname debate...girlies, indigs, intimate
strangers....how come nobody mentioned "fugitives"...  think about it,
"what are you?"  "oh me?  i'm a fugitive>.."  just came to mind the other
day.

man, i ramble, don't i...
teri

hey indigs!
(or whatever you like to be called :)
(sorry, very little igc)
well, i had quite a nite last nite. yen, and bert and i went into new york to
the fez to see some atlanta musicians. (there was actually another person
there with us, but since none of you know him, i guess i don't need to go into
that). anyway, kelly hogan (simon on jcs) opened with her band. she has such
an amazing voice, and she's a fun performer to watch. she's a nice person too.
she helped us settle a bet about whether the thumb is considered a finger, or
some other kind of digit. (she agreed with me and yen that the thumb is not a
finger.)  ...gosh, what a dazzelingly brilliant question to ask a performer!
next came big fish ensemble with michael lorant (judas in jcs). i love
michael's voice. i'd never heard bfe before, but they were _really_ rockin'.
catch 'em if you get a chance. michael's a hell of a drummer, and songwriter
too, though i wasn't thrilled with the other singer's voice. sheila doyle
(sp?) is also in the band, and she play's electric violin (cool!) and does
some singing. we all agreed she should play more violin, and sing more.
    finally came "smoke". the lead singer, benjamin, played caphias in jcs.
they were, umm...interesting. very alternative. very, well, strange. i must
say, they kept my attention. the lyrics were extremely honest and obviously
personal. near the end of the set he just stopped singing as if it was too
much, and walked off stage. the crowd called him back and he ended up singing
two more, but he acted as if he wished we'd all just let him go home. strange.
    finally, the (sorta) igc: when we first got to the place, we walked in
before there was anyone at the door selling tix. so we got to hear the sound
check. everyone thought we were someone else's guests. (we eventually did go
back out and pay for our tix !) but while we were there, bert pointed out a
guy he swore was jerry marotta. i said no way, cuz it didn't look quite like
him. (the hair was shorter, i hadn't considered the possibility of a haircut).
so we bet a dollar on it. we thought we were going to have to go up and ask
him to settle our bet, but just then he and several others walked past our
table, and a woman called out "hey, jerry!", and he turned around and
responded to her. so damn! i lost a buck. so that helps answer the question
about what jerry's up to now. (hanging out with bfe, kelly hogan, and smoke.)
unless someone out there can conclusively prove that jerry marotta _wasn't_ in
nyc on saturday nite, then i could get my buck back from bert. :)
enough nigc for me.
folkisgruven,
lorindigo
lorinda wright           "learn to pretend there's more than love that
lw01@lehigh.edu           matters. -e.s.
lehigh university         "a thousand guitar strings - amy
bethlehem, pa             two guitar strings - emily
    i           will            not         be              complacent

hi,  i just wondered if there is something with the list.  i haven't
checked my mail in a couple of days and today there was only 20 messages on
it.  this is very unusual.  i just wondered if something is going on.  i
know that judith (i think it was judith) changed the default or something
so we wouldn't get so much mail, however, she did that before and i still
got about 40 messages a day.  so can someone fill me in if something has
changed that i don't know about.  thanks.
shelby

slt115@psu.edu

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stacie said:

>>as a struggling independent musician, i need to voice my opinion on an
injustice i see happening here on the internet. many people lately have
been holding auctions where some of the items are not-rare-at-all cds
and/or tapes by independent musicians.<<

very, very true...and i would like to add that, as the mistress of the
atlanta artists list, i hope i never see an auction list of that sort on my
list.

peace,

barbara, atlanta listmistress

(subscribe atlanta-artists--- atlartists@aol.com!!)

forwarded from creative loafing on-line:
__________________________________________________________________________

local music news
__________________________________________________________________________

   atlanta's long play records have announced their own label showcase
   night at the fez in new york city, on saturday, nov. 4. participating
   long play acts include kelly hogan, big fish ensemble, and smoke. the
   event will double as a release party for smoke's second album, another
   reason to fast. big fish will be performing as a "leaner, louder, &
   more focused" four-piece combo. hogan will be road-testing her new
   band and previewing her forthcoming solo album.

** sorry this is old news... but did anyone go to this? care to share? **
_________________________________________________________________

<snip>

   babyfat drafted their frequent guest percussionist dan anoff of engine
   to play drums for them while founding drummer mauricio carey was in
   mexico on family business. the band also has a new bassist, leigh
   jeffrey (ex-swallower's block), replacing joy howard who left to
   devote full-time to her other band, seely. meanwhile, original babyfat
   bassist laurie garner has announced her engagement to filmmaker chris
   mills, with a wedding date set for dec. 30. garner just completed a
   stint as a production manager on the locally filmed feature movie inn
   trouble, in which several other area musicians (including kiera byrd
   of hummer and cooper seay of viva la diva) have speaking roles. viva
   la diva performs on camera in the movie, and a music video for their
   upcoming album was also filmed during the production.

** hmmm... this should be interesting. probably explains why i had a dream
about cooper last night... :) **
_________________________________________________________________

creative loafing's web page is located at http://www.cln.com for anyone
who cares...

later y'all,
lori

the only restaurant that i have heard a and/or e has any interest in,
is "the flying biscuit cafe." according to one magazine (deneuve?),
amy is one of the investors. an atlanta guide book lists emily as one
of the owners of "a common pond," a shop which sells environmentally-
friendly products.

nancy humphries
nancy@rbdc.rbdc.com

so far, i have about 8 questions (some can be combined into one ;-) for the
ig when they are guests on aol's center stage *next* thursday at 10 p.m. i
will find out if i can submit the questions earlier in the evening so i can
be assured that they will at least hear the questions....i hope to download a
transcript of the whole show at the conclusion or the next day, whenever it
is available. i'll submit it to the list the next day! i'm pretty excited
about this--i wasn't even *this* close at the newport ff!

what do you think about asking them how they like indig for a fan's name?
is there some *sincere* and short way we can let them know that we all care
tremendously for them and wish them the best?

let me know,

jude

i unfortunately always interpreted this song as child abuse, so i was
very pleased to hear mr. wicker's amy interview. i think i will enjoy
the song much more now.
thanks

betsy, a.k.a. boots macmilla@fit.edu (florida tech)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
i don't think this has anything to do with me;
but did you ever think you could be wrong? - ferron
i will not be complacent! either :)

can someone on the ig list tell me if they get this post...i have writenn
in twice and noone has responded back to either of my posts..so if
someone could just let me know ..thanks..josh

ok, guys, i thought you might be interested to read this.   i found it on
the alt.revolution.counter newsgroup.   if you want something to laugh at
try that group.   some real cranks hang out there.

feel free to flame mercilessly.

mat
mts5@aber.ac.uk

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greetings fellow conservatives!

i'm glad to see my last post (conservative christians united
against star trek) generated such a riot of controversy and
shook up the liberals and pseudo-conservatives alike. i now
want to swivel my cannon at an even more dangerous enemy, an
enemy so intimate that most of us have been sleeping with it
all our lives. i am talking about the great corrosive rot at
the core of american culture, the liberal-nihilist propaganda
we currently know as "classic rock".

all smart people know that the sixties was the great turning
point in american society. the sixties was the great disaster
when the american experiment turned sour, where soviet-backed
subversives corralled and indoctrinated the best and brightest
of america's youth, whipping them into an anti-establishment
frenzy that necessarily included "free love" (read: guiltless
fornication), "consciousness exploration" (read: smoking pot,
shooting heroin and lsd) and of course, rock'n'roll.

rock'n'roll! goes with sex and drugs like apple pie goes with
mom and the flag, right? part of america's rugged, outlaw,
free-spirit tradition, eh? the voice of the common man, the
music of the times, here to stay, today and tomorrow?

wrong, my friends, dead wrong. the conservative revolution is
in full swing; the liberal occupation army is in full retreat,
and it's time we take a good hard look at the damage the
conquerors have inflicted upon our beloved country. as we
awaken from the sixty-year liberal nightmare, we are going to
find that we have been brainwashed so subtly that we have in
some cases come to love our chains; but as freedom-loving
patriots, it is our duty to cut those chains now, no matter
how painful it may seem. and the greatest, heaviest chain
currently collaring the american people is the moral corrosive
of classic rock.

when we talk of "classic rock," what do we mean? we are
generally referring to that popular rock'n'roll music created
durring the hippy terror of the late sixties, extending to the
final gasp of hippiedom in the late seventies before the
gipper finally took office in 1980 and set america back on its
feet.

i'm talking about music by people like the beatles, jimi
hendrix, the doors, boston, the kinks, heart, linda ronstadt,
kiss, the rolling stones, elton john, queen, and many other
degenerates who managed to slip through the window of
permissiveness that was momentarily flung open during those
drug-crazed, morally anarchic years.

now i know some of you are already getting angry. "how dare he
insult the beatles! and, for goodness' sake, i grew up
listening to elton john! how can that music be bad?!!"

it's time to wake up, children, and smell the coffee of the
new day. we're taking america back, are we not? we are rolling
up our sleeves and doing the hard work of repairing the
devestation laid upon our culture by sixty years of liberal
tyranny; nobody said that work would be easy, and nobody said
it might not involve making choices that hurt. but as the
great rush has told us many times, facing the truth takes
courage. it is time for us all to see the classic rock that we
love and adore is pure liberal propaganda, and we must divorce
ourselves from it as quickly as possible.

you may doubt me, but i ask you -- have you ever listened
closely to the lyrics of these "classic rock" songs? consider
the messages that are conveyed by the music. i offer here some
examples from "the golden age of rock" :

"spirits in the night" by manfred mann's earth band: a paen
to snorting coke and fornicating on a lakeside.

"walk on the wild side" by lou reed and "lola" by the kinks:
love songs by men in love with transvestites.

"layla" by eric clapton: a call for adultery by a man
attempting to destroy an established marriage.

"hot blooded" by foreigner: a sexual predator trumpeting his
lust as he attempts to seduce a minor.

"christine sixteen" by kiss and "mellow yellow" by donovan:
more songs by adult men about having sex with minors.

"the boys are back in town" by thin lizzy, and "saturday
night" by elton john: a joyous celebration of armed assault
and juvenile delinquency. (btw, elton john is also an open
homosexual; what kind of a role model is he to our children?)

"don't fear the reaper" by blue oyster cult: a song urging
the listener to commit suicide, romanticizing it by comparison
with romeo and juliet.

"purple haze" by jimi hendrix: a celebration of narcotic
drugs such as lsd.

pretty much any song by led zeppelin or the rolling stones:
all their songs are mean-spirited and glorify the sexual
domination of women.

"welcome to the machine" by pink floyd: typical childish
liberal anti-work sentiment, no doubt the anthem of welfare
slackers everywhere.

this is just a start. as you can tell, i've only just
scratched the surface here, and nobody can make the argument
that the songs i've listed are aberrations of the genre; they
are, in fact, the norm. show me the classic rock song that
espouses strong conservative american ideals, and i'll take a
listen. but if that song exists, it is clearly the exception.

my fellow conservatives, i know it's hard to admit that you've
spent most of your life brainwashed. as lovers of tradition,
it is sometimes hard for us to give up those things that are
familiar and comfortable. but i tell you, our souls as well as
our country have been seeded with liberal weeds, and if we are
to make america fit for generations to come, we must pull the
weeds out of ourselves as well as out of the land, no matter
how much it hurts. our forefathers gave their lives to secure
our freedom; it is the least we can do to give up the liberal
propaganda that is "classic rock."

what can you do:

1) stop listening to that garbage. simply stop tuning your
radio to the classic rock stations. listen instead to good,
conservative music that has meaning. listen to classical
music. listen to country&western, (although be careful to
avoid artist such as garth brooks and katie lang who are
attempting to promote their gay agenda through c&w music).
listen to gospel. there's a whole world of good, clean honest
music outside the sewer that is rock. all you need is the
courage to explore the new.

2) got years worth of classic rock cds, tapes, and records?
get rid of 'em. and no, don't try to sell them at the used
record store. that will only be spreading the evil. instead,
tell your neighbors and your friends. organize a classic-rock
record burning party in your neighborhood. not only will you
feel better, you will send a message to others in your
community.

3) organize your church group to launch a letter-writing
campaign against the major record labels and classic rock
stations in your area. organize youth education programs to
begin deprogramming young people who have already been sucked
into the moral vacuum of classic rock.

none of this will be easy, at first, but nothing worthwhile
ever is. we may be working by the sweat of our brow to rebuild
america, but we are working with love in our hearts and so we
can't go wrong. the conservative revolution is in full swing,
my friends, and only gets stronger every day! may the good
lord bless you all, and remember:

just say no to classic rock!!!

am i the only one that thinks that "indig"
sounds like "indignant?" i vote not to ask them
that, 'cause if they endorse it then i'll feel
pressure to adopt it :)

how about: "we love you!!!!!!!?" okay,
so it's not very distinguished, but it is short.

will you send the list of questions to the list
beforehand?

someone questioned the strange fire cd insert- my friends and i, after
careful inspection, decided that talking, by the counter, is amy, emily, and
michelle malone.  a and e both have aprons on, and michelle is wearing a hat
and sunglasses.  as for the rest of the people, we found some traits that
were common in a and e, and have deemed most of them to be family.  of
course, i don't really know any of this, but i think it's pretty
probable...and, i just thought i'd add that the cover me grey tape is
wonderful.  i got mine a few days ago, and it hasn't left my radio once.  i
was at the poughkeepsie show, the night before the one in new haven that a
few of the songs are from.  i remember amy and michelle doing cortez the
killer, and me nearly fainting at how intensely wonderful it was.  and now,
i have it on tape from the very next night, and it's even better.  thanks
again to margaret for brainstorming this thing.  i think the credit goes to
you?
erica
"you probably don't realize i'm her, the woman you want to call home."ani
difranco

the "if you don't live what you sing about.." quote is from an ani difranco
song, million you never made, on her latest cd, not a pretty girl...check it
out, she's the coolest, in a different way than a and e.  she expresses a
lot of discontent, and tries to open people's eyes to injustices of race and
gender.  she does this more harshly than a and e, i think.  but, to see them
singing with her, at the newport festival this summer, for closer to fine-
she shared a microphone with amy for a while.  i remember thinking, there is
no where that i'd be happier, than right here, right now.  thought i'd died
and gone to heaven.  <grin>
erica
"you probably don't realize i'm her, the woman you want to call home."ani
difranco

on more comment:

one cannot buy "little five points." this is an area in atlanta with
lots of cool shops and clubs and stuff. it's also a neighborhood.
maybe you were referring to amy trying to buy the little five points
cafe, as mentioned in watershed?

--
--
"oh, and congratulations on the poll.  oh, you didn't know?  you're on
it.  they _both_ are."
                                -- angela to sharon

okay, so i'm not a struggling artist, i'm just a struggling artist fan....
in the end, these guys work their buts of to get their music out too us...
not only do they have to do all the artist stuff, but they all also gotta
work.. after a playing a show at night, a lot of them do have to get up and
go to work like the rest of us the next morning..   most of them are not
supported by their music.. we are lucky to be able to buy their music.. and
to sell it like that, well, i agree.. it's just not right.. you should not
make any profit off of it, they should..  if you don't want a cd, and you
wanna get rid of it, support your favorite record store, a lof of them *do*
take used cds.. perry at rdr does.. i'm not sure if he takes local atlanta
used cds, but give him a call and see if he does..  (1800-636-6166)...
okay, enough from me *smile*
_________________________________________________________________

i really hate to be the bearer of bad news but i have participated in many
of aol's interviews with the celebs, it is kinda like the celeb gets fed
"appropriate questions...". i know of one time where i knew thew celeb, and
he didnt even know i was sending him questions..usually a celeb is not even
at the keyboard (tho i did get to instant message said celeb and got
directions to a promo show in boston, and once i messaged michael stipe and
he said hi...but that was a really freak chance..)
mike reynolds

dear fellow ig lovers:

warning: your music may be brainwashing you. ha!

thanks for sending this out to everyone...(i can hear the "it's not
related to the indigo girls letters now) i, personally, had a good laugh.

giggling at the far right,

jamie

"i don't care, cause sometimes, i hear my voice and it's been
silent all these years" -tori amos

****quick plug**** my band is playing in the sacramento area this friday
(november 10th) from 8pm to 9:30pm. if anyone's interested in coming,
please e-mail if you want more info. post-gig get together afterwards,
so we can all watch "watershed" or the disney thing and talk ig...

        yes, it's another annoying vote thing, but some people responded
(than-q) and i have broken the list down to at least likely candidates
(carla and i will start our own death metal band called "scrambled yellow
hair..).  this all has to do with the duo i'm in now called "mental
splooge".  so i'm gonna include that in the voting list.
        as a reference point, y'all should know that my stuff is heavily
influenced by ig and my partner's songwriting is more towards the smiths
and such...amy and emily meet morrissey, i suppose.
        as another reference point, please imagine what name would look
best under "indigo girls" on a ticket stub or poster...this is
important, particularly to me since it's a little dream of mine.

the candidates:

1. mental splooge - we started out with this...kind of like
mind puke...say whatever you're thinking.

2. kill the messenger - shawn colvin song. one of my faves.
nice ring to it

3. there's the city - rather ominous sounding. we got it off
a sketch made by a friend.

        4. in my lifetime... - right from "galileo".  if we had any
                                ig reference, this one seems the most
                                subtle.

        5. strange things mystifying - song from jcs.  i really like
                                        this name, maybe even more than
                                        kill the messenger...

6. "your suggestion" - anything else????

thanks a bunch for all those taking the time to help us out. it really
means a lot to me. please e-mail your thoughts privately. i wouldn't
want the whole list to be peeved at me.

"i aim to please the girlies..."-e.s.
teri

who is the person to mail for more questions? i would like to ask a
few myself...

--
--
patty: "if rayanne's not seeing you, and we're not seeing you, who _is_
        seeing you?"
graham: "and how much of you?"
angela: "dad!"
graham: "oh, i'm sorry!  i asked a question about your life, didn't i?
         whoa, what came over me?"
                                -- another chase family conversation

was that rhetoric a joke?  or what?  i thought about replying to the
author, but realized that probably wouldn't get me anywhere. maybe if we
all just sent him caring, thoughtfull quotes from our favourite classic
rock songs (which he has assured us would be an exception), maybe he
would get off his pedestal?  or maybe he would just be disgusted with us
as much as i am with him  :)
it will probably just boost his ego, but i feel it might be fun.

hey y'all i just thought i'd pass this on again.. amy p mentioned it.. rainy
day records has two **very** goodies :))

1- a sealed indigo girls ep -- they are selling it for $500.00 , if you open
it it looses it's value.. but it's there..

2- an orignal strange fire- $250.00 i've not seen the album, but it's from
rdr, it's gotta be in good condition :))

if you have the $$ and are a serious collector, go for it... i bought my
original sf for $150.00 in march, and look now!

*smile*

rdr- 1800-636-6166

oh yeah, they've got lots and lots of goodies there, but that's the ig
stuff... watershed and 1200, plus *lots* of complicated girls, plus some
good conversation *which you can get for free* :))
_________________________________________________________________

anyone out there ever heard of jaime morton? she's boston based.. i picked
up her cd at the rhythmfest office this summer and love it.. i know she's
got 2 alubms out.. i've got that wild blue.. anyone know anything else?
bostoners out there??? thanks :))
_________________________________________________________________

just a question and then i'll leave you all.  has the number of messages rapidly
decreased lately r is it just me and my system?  i've been getting a drastically
different number of messages then i used to.  if something is wrong with just
me, can someone tell me what i can do to fix it all up?

thanks - i miss hearing from you guys -
avital

carolyn,

i would be interested in color me grey.  i was one of the recipients of
blue food (thanks).  i unfortunately can't find the particular brand of
tdk tapes at our local best buy.  i think i sent you the scotch equivalent
for blue food.  if that's not acceptable let me know.  also, again, i'd offer
to be a branch in a tape tree if you need it.

maggie trevor

actually betsy, i hate to burst your bubble, but i thought i had read
somewhere that amy said kid fears is about child abuse. (part of it anyway.) i
don't quite understand how we get from child abuse in one verse, to the music
industry in another verse, but what do i know?

folkisgruven,
lorindigo
    i           will            not        be               complacent
lorinda wright           "learn to pretend there's more than love that
lw01@lehigh.edu           matters. -e.s.
lehigh university         "the apathy of time laughs in my face
bethlehem, pa             you say each life has its place. -e.s.
    i           will            not         be              complacent

>just a question and then i'll leave you all.  has the number of messages
>rapidly
>decreased lately r is it just me and my system?  i've been getting a
>drastically
>different number of messages then i used to.  if something is wrong with just
>me, can someone tell me what i can do to fix it all up?

dear confused-
there is no fixing needed.  the list is normally not supposed to generate
3000 messages a day.  so please whoever has decided to stop all the posting
and take it to private email--bravo!  the list is not broken when it
generates "only" 40 messages a day--hell that's still too many.  as my good
buddy margaret would say--recall whether all 600 people on the list would
like to read what you have to say.  if not, send it privately.  this
message, for instance, is inappropriate to send to the list so i'll just
have to slap myself when done.  have a lovely day.

greg, who is crabby after his new apartment was robbed. they stole my
mac--bastards!!!! :)

!@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*!*
# greg m. flamer               northwestern university   @
* 1411 w. sherwin ave # 1n     mfm520@lulu.acns.nwu.edu  $
& chicago, il  60626           gflame@nwu.edu            *
^                                                        &
&  "when you're learning to face the path at your pace,  $
$     every choice is worth your while"---emily saliers  @
#                                                        *
&  "when you learn to love yourself, you will dissolve    ^
@      all the stones that are cast"---amy ray           $
*                                                        &
!@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*%$

ok, one more for today, then i'm done.
i kinda got a giggle out of that conservative thing about classic rock. i
always like reading stuff like that just to see how idiotic narrow-minded, and
brainless people can be. i was giggling, that is, until the end when he
mentioned burning classic rock. ok, now, maybe i'm taking this way too
seriously, but remember book burnings? remember nazis? hmmm, this bears a
haunting resemblance. maybe it's just me, but i have a little thing against
censorship, big brother, and the wanton destruction of _any_
literature/poetry/music...

oh, i guess i was on a soapbox there. sorry. it's just that people like that
scare me. the "grass roots christian coalition right watever bullshit
religious take-our-country-back weirdo crap" scares me.

folkisgruven,
lorindigo

    i           will            not        be               complacent
lorinda wright           "learn to pretend there's more than love that
lw01@lehigh.edu           matters. -e.s.
lehigh university         "the apathy of time laughs in my face
bethlehem, pa             you say each life has its place. -e.s.
    i           will            not         be              complacent

ok, i have another question for the aol thing:

for amy. what the *!#@*! does "white chain rope fear be still my dear"
mean??!!

yen and i took a serious look at jonas and ezekial this weekend (no really,
we were serious!) and we figured out a lot, but that white chain rope thing is
a real mystery. of course, if any of you know the answer, you could tell me
too. :) i'll probably be posting our j&e interpretation when i find some more
time. (sorry, no giggles this time. that song is just too damn dark!)

hey teri, how about white chain rope fear for the name of your band? (just
kidding:)

and you know, i was thinking that someone should tell them that if they really
have a problem with the list, then they should feel free to be open and honest
with us about their feelings. i don't think anyone here is going to stop being
an indig if they come out and tell us that they don't like the list. we're all
far too devoted for that. and if they were open with us about their feelings,
we could be honest about what the list is really like, and maybe we could
dispell some of their trepidations about us. (ok, i'd kinda freak out too if i
knew 750 people were talking about my hair or the time i used the port-a-potty
at newport, but there's also a lot of pretty neat discussion that goes on
here, and it'd be nice if we knew they didn't wake up screaming in the middle
of the nite because of the list.)

folkisgruven,
lorindigo

hello all,
i'm fairly new to this list,a couple of months. i don't know if this has
been asked before but i'll ask it coz i would like to know if anyone knows
what is the tattoo on amy's forearm and what it stands for?
sharon

on mon, 6 nov 1995, greg flamer wrote:

> as my good
> buddy margaret would say--recall whether all 600 people on the list would
> like to read what you have to say. if not, send it privately. this
> message, for instance, is inappropriate to send to the list so i'll just
> have to slap myself when done. have a lovely day.

*slap*

(another example of mail not to send to the list. :) )

margaret
(feeling more obnoxious than usual today.. procrastinate or bust!)

i know that the list is messed up or something but i sent an auction post
to the list but got zero response...and there was some good shit in this post
if anyone want to see it ..i will repost it....please let me know..josh

hey-
if anyone has a copy of the allman brothers and indigo girls concert from 1992, i would love to have a copy. i can send a ssa and a blank tape to make the copy. it would be greatly appreciated.

thanks-
jason

          ok, the special has come and gone.  my first remark- too
          short!!!!!!!  it only lasted 45 minutes!  was anyone else
          bummed about that?  but, it was a great show!  my friends,
          rich and led were waiting patiently for me to arrive.  i got
          to rich's house during galileo. (rock!)  the three of us
          could not stop smiling!  i loved every minute of it!  the
          camera men were great,too!  it made me miss the concert
          scene...  that's it for me! kimberly

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