lifeblood: listlogs: 1995-11b


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date:         mon, 6 nov 1995 23:33:19 -0500
reply-to:     jude shabry <hey_jude@brown.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         jude shabry <hey_jude@brown.edu>
subject:      re: what's going on?
x-to:         shelby <slt115@psu.edu>
in-reply-to:  your message of "sun, 05 nov 1995 17:57:46 est."
              <199511052257.raa19472@r04n12.cac.psu.edu>

shelby <slt115@psu.edu> writes:
> it.  this is very unusual.  i just wondered if something is going on.  i
> know that judith (i think it was judith) changed the default or something
> so we wouldn't get so much mail, however, she did that before and i still
> got about 40 messages a day.  so can someone fill me in if something has

please.. it's "jude"   you didn't get "judith" from any post of mine.

the change was that the default reply is now to the sender only.
before, it was to both the sender and the list.

   -jude

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date:         tue, 7 nov 1995 10:13:20 +0000
reply-to:     "r.e. bradley" <reb22@hermes.cam.ac.uk>
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from:         "r.e. bradley" <reb22@hermes.cam.ac.uk>
subject:      eh?????
x-to:         avital livny <avital@cs.wisc.edu>
in-reply-to:  <199511060220.uaa24297@chevre.cs.wisc.edu>

something funny is going on - over the weekend i got a few (strange in
itself!) messages from the list dated the 5th and 6th november and then
all these ones from the 23rd october.....are you guys in a timewarp over
there or something?????
a very confused
rach
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date:         tue, 7 nov 1995 07:10:53 -30000
reply-to:     "judith k. hunter" <jhunter@rtc.gov>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "judith k. hunter" <jhunter@rtc.gov>
subject:      re: what's going on?

>shelby <slt115@psu.edu> writes:
>> it.  this is very unusual.  i just wondered if something is going on.  i
>> know that judith (i think it was judith) changed the default or something
>> so we wouldn't get so much mail, however, she did that before and i still
>> got about 40 messages a day.  so can someone fill me in if something has

>please.. it's "jude"   you didn't get "judith" from any post of mine.

>the change was that the default reply is now to the sender only.
>before, it was to both the sender and the list.

>   -jude


that's it! i'm changin' *my* name to trixie ;-)

a.k.a. jude

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date:         tue, 7 nov 1995 07:28:48 est
reply-to:     mr rodney s wicker <rucr57a@prodigy.com>
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from:         mr rodney s wicker <rucr57a@prodigy.com>
subject:      jrshade...

>can someone on the ig list tell me if they get this post...i have
writenn
>in twice and noone has responded back to either of my posts..so if
>someone could just let me know ..thanks..josh


i sent
a note two days ago and he never answered it, so his posts about
getting no response is not true!!!!

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date:         tue, 7 nov 1995 07:33:52 -30000
reply-to:     "judith k. hunter" <jhunter@rtc.gov>
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from:         "judith k. hunter" <jhunter@rtc.gov>
subject:      re: nigc:  conservatives unite against "classic rock" (fwd)

>... and "mellow yellow" by donovan:
>more songs by adult men about having sex with minors.

this poor fellow obviously does not have a clue....:-)

trixie

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date:         tue, 7 nov 1995 07:37:53 est
reply-to:     mr rodney s wicker <rucr57a@prodigy.com>
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from:         mr rodney s wicker <rucr57a@prodigy.com>
subject:      jrshade2...

>can someone on the ig list tell me if they get this post...i have
writenn
>in twice and noone has responded back to either of my posts..so if
>someone could just let me know ..thanks..josh


sorry if my last note seemed ragged, but the new mail software on
prodigy sucks, so that message got away from me before i was finished
with it!!  this is the note i sent to jrshade:

>an article written by diana hume george in the may/june issue of ms.
magazine begins like this:

>"josh shade, 13, is the hearbeat of a singing, swaying human wave at
the edge of the newport >music hall stage in columbus, ohio, where
the indigo girls are playing to a typically sold-out house."

>is that you?

why would jrshade deny getting that note?

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date:         tue, 7 nov 1995 08:41:18 gmt
reply-to:     wingstar@mulberry.com
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from:         pat stark <wingstar@mulberry.com>
subject:      re: amy's tattoo

>hello all,
>   i'm fairly new to this list,a couple of months. i don't know if this has
>been asked before but i'll ask it coz i would like to know if anyone knows
>what is the tattoo on amy's forearm and what it stands for?
>                                             sharon

good question!  i was at a flea market a few years back and picked up an
antique necklace and the pendant is a hand that has engraving on it that is
similar to her tattoo.  i have had many antique dealers look at it but no
one knows what it (if any thing) it means.  any one else have any ideas?

pat
wingstar@mulberry.com

                "adding up the total of a love that's true
                   multiply life by the power of two"
                               es

                  "nobody gets a life time rehersal
                  as specks of dust we're universal"
                               es

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date:         tue, 7 nov 1995 09:05:05 -30000
reply-to:     "judith k. hunter" <jhunter@rtc.gov>
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from:         "judith k. hunter" <jhunter@rtc.gov>
subject:      re: igs on disney

i thought it was a little abrupt at the end when ctf came on....the last time
i looked at it, this weekend, i finally caught em's look at the pennywhistle--
great!

least complicated is slowly becoming my favorite and this show really gave it
special feeling...we all laughed because amy was definitely *all over* that
mike..:)

beautiful fall weekend...driving in the sun and falling leaves...blaring ig
on the deck....:)

jude

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date:         tue, 7 nov 1995 07:51:27 -0600
reply-to:     iggy@hopper.library.nwu.edu
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from:         "i. girl" <iggy@hopper.library.nwu.edu>
subject:      the incredible true adventures of two girls at newport

zspeaking of segues, does anyone remember how i promised to
describe my newport trip in painful detail?  yep, (*musing*)
back then august was just an irresponsible, decadent girl in
cutoffs and coppertone.  but along comes nervous, overcommitted
september with her jitters and black coffee and never-ending
appointments.  then chubby october unpacks her cheerful bounty
of fruit pies and football games, and we've all been seduced.
nobody thinks about august anymore.

but just a darn minute.  here we are, a teensy 12 weeks into
our lean year ("a year and a half", amy said bravely) (do they
miss us yet?) and already i am itchy with anxiety.  the shingle
still hangs reassuringly, but the windows are shuttered and dark.
and we have only dipped a toe in the icy bath of november.  my
checklist reads:  1 more christmas/new year's rockin eve, 2 final
fours, 2 birthdays, and 1 more back-to-schoo-oo-oo-oo-ooooooool.
and after that?  oh, we might find a toothless rumor here or a
vague tba there, but until an official tour schedule is tucked in
my cozy sock drawer, i'm in limbo.  are you like me?

as for curfews, i love them as much as the next girl(ie), but
did the igs do any more than throw us a bone?  add watershed
gravy and a plectrum chewtoy, and i, for one, have been handily
decoyed.  i'll look up from the loot i'd guarded so greedily to
notice that--what's this?--the house seems quiet and too big
("let's make it small", emily liked to say).  i guess they're
not coming back for a long time.

"enough of this dopey-faced moping!", (i scold myself).  "and
selfishness!", (i chime in).  "you can't expect them to be your
indigo girls all the time!  as for the lean year, you must batten
down them hatches, and it shan't be very hard--just think on the
last time you saw emily and she saw (sort of) you.  'the place
where you hold me is dark in a pocket of truth...'"

oh-h-h-h-h.  well then i must put on my "holey amy ray jeans" and
exhume this recent past..  i will dig, dig, dig, ever so gently
(holey knees to the earth), first with my trusty trowel and then
with my hands.  i'll steal my peek at a little weekend in august
(the gem),  and then i'll know i'm all right.

now i'm off.  "you come too."  (robert frost)

                              * * *

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date:         tue, 7 nov 1995 12:47:54 -0500
reply-to:     elizabeth maria richardson <emr4@acpub.duke.edu>
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from:         elizabeth maria richardson <emr4@acpub.duke.edu>
subject:      bootleg (fwd)

---------- forwarded message ----------
date: tue, 7 nov 1995 12:15:41 -0500 (est)
from: elizabeth maria richardson <emr4@acpub.duke.edu>
to: indigogirls@netspace.org
subject: bootleg

i also would like to get a copy of the indigo girls and allman brothers
concert bootleg.  please let me know how i can get one.

thanks,
beth richardson

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date:         tue, 7 nov 1995 08:55:32 -0600
reply-to:     keller jennifer l <jlk299s@nic.smsu.edu>
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from:         keller jennifer l <jlk299s@nic.smsu.edu>
subject:      re: amy's tattoo
in-reply-to:  <199511070841.iaa20872@uniquest.mulberry.com>

about the hand... i was at a bead shop this summer, and i found a pendant
that looked very much like amy's tatoo.  the problem is that it is so small
(1/4 an inch long or so) it is hard to tell details.  either way, i
bought it because it looked like the tatoo and now wear it everyday.
but, back to the original question.  the label on the bowl of pendants
said it was the hand of fatima.  i went to the library to research the
whole thing (ok, so it was a slow summer) but couldn't find anything
about any symbols of fatima.  anyone else know?
jenn
jlk299s@nic.smsu.edu

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date:         tue, 7 nov 1995 12:23:31 -0800
reply-to:     barbara crawford <rocket@lanminds.com>
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from:         barbara crawford <rocket@lanminds.com>
subject:      deneuve magazine

if anyone's interested i've got a couple of extra copies of the december
1994 deneuve magazine left. amy and emily are on the cover, and inside is
an interview with amy. mint condition, and i'm offering them for the $4
cover price (each), plus postage. also, free rites of passage album cover
store display included! ;)

contact me a rocket@lanminds.com if you're interested.

--barbara
rocket@lanminds.com
"mean people suck"

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date:         tue, 7 nov 1995 15:01:47 -0500
reply-to:     amy snyder <ajsnyder@mtu.edu>
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from:         amy snyder <ajsnyder@mtu.edu>
subject:      bootleg

hi y'all,
  i'm too am interested in an allman/ig bootleg so if any body has it please letme know via private e-mail so we can work out the details.  thanx.
  i also have a personal question to ask... when listening to the ig, and i knowyou all do, who's part do you sing along with, amy or emily?  as for myself, i  of course sing amy's!  let me know.  it's sort of an informal poll.  thanx.
amy

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date:         tue, 7 nov 1995 15:07:03 est
reply-to:     "christopher m. becker" <cmbecker@space.mit.edu>
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from:         "christopher m. becker" <cmbecker@space.mit.edu>
subject:      re: any more ??'s for a & e?
x-to:         jhunter@rtc.gov
in-reply-to:  <vines.r0w7+wkzbka@rtcdc101.rtc.gov>; from "judith k. hunter" at
              nov 6, 95 1:52 pm

> what do you think about asking them how they like indig for a fan's name?
> is there some *sincere* and short way we can let them know that we all care
> tremendously for them and wish them the best?


how about:

  "are you enjoying your vacations?"

it doesn't ask for details (thereby invading their personal lives),
yet lets them know we care about them as humans as well as musicians.

as for asking them for a fan name, *shrug* i don't see how it would hurt
but i don't think they'd go for anything.

btw, jude  thanks for doing this!  i can't wait to read the results....

                        -- chris

        "god says, 'how can this be? that's really odd
         i guess i'll have to check my records, silly me,
             you know, i'm only god.'"

                        -- dar williams "alleluia"

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date:         tue, 7 nov 1995 15:11:58 est
reply-to:     "christopher m. becker" <cmbecker@space.mit.edu>
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from:         "christopher m. becker" <cmbecker@space.mit.edu>
subject:      re: amy's tattoo
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in-reply-to:  <199511070048.taa22608@everest>; from "sharon james" at nov 6,
              95 7:48 pm

>
> hello all,
>    i'm fairly new to this list,a couple of months. i don't know if this has
> been asked before but i'll ask it coz i would like to know if anyone knows
> what is the tattoo on amy's forearm and what it stands for?
>                                              sharon

i remeber reading that amy designed the tattoo herself as a collection
of mysical/spiritual symbols that she liked.  its an original, but it
has no universal meaning--save to amy.

                hope that helps,

                        chris


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date:         tue, 7 nov 1995 12:07:47 -0500
reply-to:     jrshade@cc.owu.edu
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from:         jrshade@cc.owu.edu
subject:      auction---please read--very cool stuff in it...

well this is it.....vynal 12" copy of land of cannon plus five ep
                          ---very rare
.....................a hand autographed picture of the girls for the s.o.tour
                      --the one in the allley..mint very nice
               ........hand autographed copy of swamp ophelia(record)
.......................galileo single import
                   ....touchme fall single
  .....................least complicated single
             ..........watershed single


send replies to jrshade@cc.owu.edu.....thank you ...josh

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date:         tue, 7 nov 1995 17:23:40 est
reply-to:     lisa grandjean <lisag@charity.trinityvt.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         lisa grandjean <lisag@charity.trinityvt.edu>
organization: trinity college of vermont
subject:      re: bootleg (fwd)
x-to:         elizabeth maria richardson <emr4@acpub.duke.edu>,
              emr4@acpub.duke.edu

i would also like to know how to get that cd or purple parrot or blue
food!! please help me!!! parker...are you still out there? i haven't
heard from you in awhile!! please respond!!

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date:         tue, 7 nov 1995 17:25:35 est
reply-to:     lisa grandjean <lisag@charity.trinityvt.edu>
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from:         lisa grandjean <lisag@charity.trinityvt.edu>
organization: trinity college of vermont
subject:      re: deneuve magazine
x-to:         barbara crawford <rocket@lanminds.com>, rocket@lanminds.com

barbara:
    i would be very interested in your magazine!! i'll need your
address so i can send you a check for the postage and the magazine.
you're so kind to offer such a great opportunity to us!! thanks!!!
                                                        lisa

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date:         tue, 7 nov 1995 11:59:35 -0500
reply-to:     jrshade@cc.owu.edu
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from:         jrshade@cc.owu.edu
subject:      a response to rucar57

i am sorry i have to put this on the list...but someone's imaturity is making me....thank you to all the pepole who wrote me to tell me they got me post...
and if you wrote and i recieved your message then iwill write you back....
it is just common internet friendship.....so thanks and hopefully this rookie
lister will learn not to put this shit on the net..josh

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date:         tue, 7 nov 1995 15:20:38 -0500
reply-to:     deb reiser <debbie@mei.com>
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from:         deb reiser <debbie@mei.com>
subject:      re: amy's tattoo

here are a few things that i've saved from awhile back that deal with the tatoo:

from the ig faq:

1)  what's the deal with amy's tattoo?

  niki pantelias said in a november 1990 posting to the mailing list:
   "...amy specifically said (i was there) that the tattoo is 'the sioux
    indian symbol for love inside a hand...basically it means love.'"

(niki pantelias was an early member of the mailing list and former indigo
girls list administrator)

and...

from fashion magazine (date unknown, but it refers to "the recently
released indigo girls, their first album on a major label"):

        "this is spiritual, and it's blue for charity; this is compassion; this
        is intellectual grounding; this is the love of the earth; this is the
        center of the soul..." amy ray is explaining the small tattoo on the
        inside of her forearm...

the article was written by jocelyn craugh.

hope that helped.

deb
debbie@mei.com

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date:         tue, 7 nov 1995 17:16:14 +0000
reply-to:     mts5@aber.ac.uk
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from:         matthew joseph smith <mts5@aber.ac.uk>
subject:      american conservatives & 1200 curfews

>>... and "mellow yellow" by donovan:
>>more songs by adult men about having sex with minors.
>
>this poor fellow obviously does not have a clue....:-)
>
>trixie
>

and what would he think of joking - "we were girls in bars, boys on the town
... i'm a dying man but i don't know what for ..." - amy ray on her
"cross-gender fantasies"!?   hell, these guys are so ignorant they'd
probably call "this train revised" homophobic, not to mention anti-semitic
(re:  gypsies, queers ...).

i got my 1200 curfews today!!!   never again will i call joking the duff
track off rites of passage.   that song is just a classic.   as is the shot
of emily with her electric on the inside cover ... is that the guitar she
murdered when playing "touch me fall / cortez the killer"?

and some reviewer (in the times, i think) once said that solo songs made the
set lose pace ("drinks were bought, toilets were visited") during their show
at the forum in 1993.   well, emily's cover of river is just perfect, and
come to think of it would amy's voice sound right on a joni mitchell song
anyway (in particular that one)?

by the way, has anyone noticed that with each recorded rendition of "land of
canaan" the song gets faster?   "i promise this is the last one" says amy
... well i hope so - can it get any faster?

incidentally, in response to certain political messages i put on certain
news- groups i got e-mails which are as bad if not worse than "conservatives
unite ...".   i put one out about the pope and his attitude to
contraception, aids etc and i got one back saying "well, maybe [his
encyclicals] are shit to you but he is my spiritual leader!"   he went onto
say "have you ever considered that aids is god's punishment to homos and
drug addicts".   despite his naff pseudonym (tenorsaxxy (!)- he was from the
jazz newsgroup) he clearly had an aversion to the real thing.   i told him
that if his aids comment were true then where does that leave lesbians,
alcoholics, and people who smoke drugs instead of injecting?   not to
mention haemophiliacs and people who have had to have blood transfusions.
his reply was, as you might expect, less forthcoming.

none of this is new to any of you, i'm sure, but the mind still boggles when
you hear (or read) these idiots.   the ones i hate especially are those who
equate christianity with reactionary hate-mongering (like the leader of
operation rescue who once said, "why is hate so negative?   we're trying to
create a christian society..." - don't try telling me this bloke's trying to
save babies!) because it's so antithetical to the spirit of what
christianity's meant to be about ... anyway, lecture over ... i've got a
lecture to get to.


1200 curfews rocks !!! (and it's a classic - kiss my ass mr reef).

mat
mts5@aber.ac.uk

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from:         matthew joseph smith <mts5@aber.ac.uk>
subject:      re: the incredible true adventures of two girls at newport

if you think we're hard done by, you should remember what happened to rem
fans ... they didn't get a single tour for 5 whole years!!!   and when they
did it was the monster tour, and bill berry nearly died, and both michael
and (i think) mike mills fell ill during the tour, as did many of the
audience especially as (at one gig anyway) they were forced to pour their
refreshments down the drain before going into the show, and much of the
material they toured with was dire anyway.

i think they'll back pretty soon ... but one of them said during an
interview (which is on the lifeblood page -
http://www.hidwater.com/lifeblood/ - that they don't want to be still
touring when they're 45 ... and they're 31 (or maybe 32) now ... so enjoy it
while it lasts!

hell, joni mitchell fans haven't had a proper tour since 1970!!

mat
mts5@aber.ac.uk

>but just a darn minute.  here we are, a teensy 12 weeks into
>our lean year ("a year and a half", amy said bravely) (do they
>miss us yet?) and already i am itchy with anxiety.  the shingle
>still hangs reassuringly, but the windows are shuttered and dark.
>and we have only dipped a toe in the icy bath of november.  my
>checklist reads:  1 more christmas/new year's rockin eve, 2 final
>fours, 2 birthdays, and 1 more back-to-schoo-oo-oo-oo-ooooooool.
>and after that?  oh, we might find a toothless rumor here or a
>vague tba there, but until an official tour schedule is tucked in
>my cozy sock drawer, i'm in limbo.  are you like me?
>
>as for curfews, i love them as much as the next girl(ie), but
>did the igs do any more than throw us a bone?  add watershed
>gravy and a plectrum chewtoy, and i, for one, have been handily
>decoyed.  i'll look up from the loot i'd guarded so greedily to
>notice that--what's this?--the house seems quiet and too big
>("let's make it small", emily liked to say).  i guess they're
>not coming back for a long time.
>
>"enough of this dopey-faced moping!", (i scold myself).  "and
>selfishness!", (i chime in).  "you can't expect them to be your
>indigo girls all the time!  as for the lean year, you must batten
>down them hatches, and it shan't be very hard--just think on the
>last time you saw emily and she saw (sort of) you.  'the place
>where you hold me is dark in a pocket of truth...'"
>
>oh-h-h-h-h.  well then i must put on my "holey amy ray jeans" and
>exhume this recent past..  i will dig, dig, dig, ever so gently
>(holey knees to the earth), first with my trusty trowel and then
>with my hands.  i'll steal my peek at a little weekend in august
>(the gem),  and then i'll know i'm all right.
>
>now i'm off.  "you come too."  (robert frost)
>
>                              * * *
>
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from:         linda joanne napikoski <napikosk@chaph.usc.edu>
subject:      help! need wounded knee info (nrigc)

oh mighty list of lists, please show mercy and bestow information on
ignorant me...

i remember lots of chatting about wounded knee around here..talk of a
book written about it and such. silly me cannot remember that name of the
book ...  help?? were there more than one?  i would be ever so grateful
if someone would email me and tell me about the book(s) and who wrote
them and etc. etc. etc.

i think i saved some of the messages so i'm going to go looking...but any
info would be appreciated!! :) i have to do a paper on the news coverage
of a twentieth century event...so if someone could tell me anything about
where to get all sorts of info about this..and especially the book i know
someone was talking about...please...<grovel, grovel>

:) :)

btw, just out of curiosity..here in southern california ksca is playing
thin line lots and lots...i was in phoenix over the weekend and kzon was
playing bury my heart at wounded knee--are any stations anywhere playing
both? neither? something else?

many many thanks,

linda, strong enough for a man but ph balanced for a woman.

"we learn to live when we learn to give
each other what we need to survive, together alive.
ebony and ivory live together in perfect harmony
side by side on my piano keyboard, oh lord, why can't we?"
                  --from ebony and ivory  (?who wrote it?!)

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date:         tue, 7 nov 1995 14:37:48 -0700
reply-to:     kphillips@gonzaga.edu
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subject:      info

i saw this address on an email i recieved, and i didn't really know what
it was.  is this the fan club address or something?  i've been listening
to the indigo girls for 7 years now, and whatever this email address
does, i would like to be involved.  please add me to the list or
whatever.  thanks a lot, and peace!

karen phillips

kphillips@gonzaga.edu

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date:         tue, 7 nov 1995 08:42:16 -0300
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from:         j.f.l.devaney@aston.ac.uk
subject:      top ten survey - update and reminder

hi y'all,

ok folks, jus 4 days left in which you can cast your votes, and make your
opinion count in the ig fans other top ten bands poll. send me a message
personaly, with the subject line 'my top ten' if you haven't done it yet.

out in front, at the moment, are rem, melissa etheridge, and sarah
mclachlan, with natalie merchant/10,000 maniacs and tori amos not far
behind. the amazing thing, so far, has been the sheer number of bands named
(about 70, i'd say), with _some_ diversity of styles, but not a heck of a
lot.

keep 'em coming though ... the more votes, the more accurate i'll feel the
final top 10 is.

johnd

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from:         matthew j smith <mts5@aber.ac.uk>
organization: university of wales, aberystwyth
subject:      ig 1200 curfews:   am i the only one who hates that guitar sound?

am i the only one who hates that tinny, digitalised acoustic guitar sound
on the indigo girls' 1200 curfews?   so far this is the fourth good album
i've heard marred by that awful processing (the other three are joan
baez's ring them bells, christy moore's live at the point and the bottom
line compilation).   why do they keep doing it?

i heard someone connected to uncle tupelo say that it was easier to
process it that way when they were doing rock stuff.   well fine, but
can't they mike the guitars instead of using pickups, or have a separate
channel for the recording?   it really ruins a good song.

oh, and that packaging is dire.   i can understand that junk coming from
texas hotel or some other indie label, but from epic in the name of
environmentalism it's inexcusable.   when i opened it i'd never seen
anything like it!!!   it must damage the cd.   but 1200 curfews is good
anyway ... except for the guitar sound.

matthew j smith
mts5@aber.ac.uk

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date:         tue, 7 nov 1995 18:55:00 +1100
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from:         rebecca <pmrlm1@gannonlab.gannon.edu>
organization: gannon university
subject:      re: amy's tattoo
x-to:         keller jennifer l <jlk299s@nic.smsu.edu>

> bought it because it looked like the tatoo and now wear it everyday.
> but, back to the original question.  the label on the bowl of pendants
> said it was the hand of fatima.  i went to the library to research the
> whole thing (ok, so it was a slow summer) but couldn't find anything
> about any symbols of fatima.  anyone else know?
> jenn

jenn (and anyone else who cares),

fatima is the daughter of muhammed (sp?) the prophet of islam.  the
symbol of her hand is, as my moraccan guide told us "to make the
bad eye go away," or in more understandable english, ward off the evil
eye.  basically it's supposed to be a good luck charm :)

you are right, it does look like amy's tatoo, but, well...it's not.

rebecca.


"you have to be realistic, and demand the impossible"
  -- michelle shocked

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date:         tue, 7 nov 1995 16:48:43 -0700
reply-to:     "teresa c. esguerra" <sac83826@saclink1.csus.edu>
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from:         "teresa c. esguerra" <sac83826@saclink1.csus.edu>
subject:      a new address for me...

        anyone trying to reach teri should note her address change!!!!

        don't lose track of me.  i'm just trying to run from the law!!!

        i killed o.j.   aaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhh.....

i'm not dead yet,
teri

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date:         tue, 7 nov 1995 19:50:19 -0500
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from:         "lisa a. ross" <rustyr@delphi.com>
subject:      tattoos, music

when a friend of mine asked amy (in 1991) about the tattoo, i was aghast at my
friend's audacity.  tattoos, especially personally designed ones, are very
personal things.  any, as i stood, horrified, amy said it had to do with
native americans and forces in the earth, etc.  i think.  i was having a
religious experience at being just across a table from her and emily.  by the
way, my parents have one of those baby satellite dish systems with 500 channels
of not much interesting.  anyway, about 30 channels are just different types
of music, such as reggae, jazz, modern rock, classic country, etc.  i was
listening to "eclectic rock" last weekend, came out of a room and heard "thin
line" playing!  i sock-surfed across the kitchen linoleum to the remote and
cranked it.  next day, same thing happened with "jonas and ezekial."  the
"eclectic rock" sound-only tv station has someone cool behind the machinery!
rustyr
cyber-peace sign
p. s. my personally designed tattoo involves the words "strange fire."

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reply-to:     petite piquet <piquet@geko.com.au>
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from:         petite piquet <piquet@geko.com.au>
subject:      gail ann dorsey

hi folks,

does anyone know if gail ann dorsey was actually touring with the igs on
their last tour?  (where the recordings of 'midnight train to georgia' came
from...)  i know she plays the bass and has a truly angelic voice, but
with sara lee along on the tour, she wouldn't have been bass-playing with
the igs... was she just joining them onstage that night?

cheers,
sherlyn

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"christine lavin isn't as nice as everyone thinks she is.  she's got quite
a temper.  but it's not true!  i am nice, damn it, and i'll smack anybody
who says i've got a temper!"            - christine lavin

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date:         tue, 7 nov 1995 20:28:10 est
reply-to:     jon miner <jjminer@mailbag.com>
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from:         jon miner <jjminer@mailbag.com>
subject:      t-shirts!!!

i have recieved the t-shirts!!!  i was at a conference all weekend,
plus these first few days, so over the next few days i'll be mailing
them to those who have paid.  anyone who hasn't paid, but has reserved
a shirt, you have until next tuesday to mail me if you want a shirt.
otherwise, at that point i'll resell all remaining shirts.

people who have sent me checks:

eric nerino
a. nadyne hagon
alexis brown
carrie brogoitti
cera runyan
sarah nuding
kate ranson-walsh
emily d. mark
rebecca gaukroger
greg flamer
christine m. antolini
heidi duncanson
jude sharby
howard barlow
deb hanrahan
jennifer keller
kin luce
leslie marciniak
lorinda wright
margaret clayton
linda napikoski
philip l. dean
sherlyn koo
becky basset
rena shear
teresa esguerra
sabrina chan

i apologize if i butchered your name...  please feel free to correct
me :)

                  -*jon*-

...  "death is but a doorway - time is but a window - i'll be back."
                -vigo the omnipotent.

if all the world is a stage....
        then the light at the end of the tunnel...

must be god's way of saying...
        "get off the stage!"


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date:         tue, 7 nov 1995 22:37:20 -0500
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from:         craig haen <chaen726@student1.uwsp.edu>
subject:      bfe (nigc)

in the post announcing the showcase of atlanta artists at the fez, it listed
big fish ensemble as a "4-piece combo."  anyone know who left the band??
(obviously not michael or sheila.)  also, is there a story behind it?

    just curious,
           craig
              chaen726@student1.uwsp.edu

"we do love our fishes." - emily

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subject:      jrshade3...
x-to:         jrshade@cc.owu.edu

i wrote two messages concerning josh shade in which i basically
called him a liar!!

i was reacting to the fact that i sent him a message that he never
answered.

i told you all before that my new mail software from prodigy sucked,
so it is possible that he never got my message.  if that is true, i
have no right to call him a liar.  do not let my previous statements
influence your feelings toward mr. shade in any way!!!

rodney wicker
rucr57a@prodigy.com

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subject:      bryn mawr women *nail* the "4 players" from cornell (fwd)

just an update, in case anyone cares.  i haven't read this the whole way
through, so if there's something in it that would have made me not post
it i apologize in advance for my carelessness, but i have a research
paper due tomorrow.

margaret

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---------- forwarded message ----------
[munched all 2000 headers]

beginning of message from cornell undergraduate women:

ok, so here is what's going on because of our efforts, and especially those
of the nifty bryn mawr women:

(the message those righteous bmc women sent to cornell folks, minus the
actual cornell bs)
>>to whom it may concern:
>>
>>this message was forwarded to us, various members of the bryn mawr college
>>rape awareness project and the women's action and unity center during the
>>past week.  as you can see from the dialogue below, it has been forwarded
>>to many women across the country at various institutions.  we felt that
>>you, the administration of cornell university should know who is writing
>>and spreading this hateful and disturbing propaganda.  although we are
>>unaware of cornell's policies on electronic mail and violence against
>>women, there exists an honor code at bryn mawr college in which such
>>harrassment is not and will never be tolerated.  evan camps, brian
>>waldaman, rikus linschoten, and pat sicher wrote and signed their names to
>>this document and have titled themselves the four players of cornell.
>>        we are planning to contact the ithaca police to inquire about the
>>feasability of a sexual harrassment lawsuit. we also fervently hope to hear
>>back from the university in regards to what action will be taken against
>>these four students.  if you require any printed proof, we will be more
>>than happy to mail you a copy with signiatures of some of the many women
>>this violent message has affected.   as we could not acquire the email
>>addresses of frank h.t. rhodes or hunter r. rawlings it would be greatly
>>appreciated if someone could forward this message.
>>
>>sincerely,
>>
>>diana kim, rebecca helms, lauren ray
>>dkim@brynmawr.edu, rhelms@brynmawr.edu, oray@brynmawr.edu


(sent to the  bryn mawr women)
>we are aware of this offensive e-mail and are pursuing action through our
>judicial administrator on campus. thank you for letting us know how far
>this has reached.
>
>susan murphy
>vice president
>student and academic services
>311 day hall
>cornell university
>shm1@cornell.edu


(sent to don, cc'd to bmc women)
>don, as provost, i am sure you'll want to see that someone takes immediate
>action to stop this revolting stuff, which i'm also sending to deans
>dittman and hopcroft, whose students are responsible.  see below.  the four
>cornell guys who sent out this misogynistic drivel are
>
>the four-players of cornell:
>evan camps,   send_email_to: emc13@cornell.edu  hotel
>brian waldman,   send_email_to: blw7@cornell.edu  hotel
>rikus linschoten, send_email_to:  rrl2@cornell.edu   engineering
>and the late-season acquisition,
>the deion sanders of sexism, pat sicher. send_email_to: phs8@cornell.edu
hotel
>
>i learned of it from the bryn mawr folks who forwarded the original
>offensive document to me and others here at cornell.  i looked up the
>students' names in the student directory for their college affiliations.
>this message is certainly a violation of guidelines for using the internet;
>it also contributes to creating a markedly "inhospitable" climate for women
>at cornell--students, staff, and faculty.  although hotel and engineering
>are directly involved with these students, this catalog of "why women
>(bitches) should not have freedom of speech" raises much more general
>concerns.  it not only creates an appalling picture of cornell for people
>around the country; it constitutes a direct assault on women's dignity.
>

>sally mcconnell-ginet
>department of linguistics
>morrill hall, cornell
>ithaca, ny 14853
>607-255-6469 or 255-6485
>(dl office: 255-1105)
>fax: 607-255-2044

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date:         tue, 7 nov 1995 23:00:35 -0800
reply-to:     tricia <n9243170@henson.cc.wwu.edu>
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from:         tricia <n9243170@henson.cc.wwu.edu>
subject:      re: a&e restaurants ownership
x-to:         nancy humphries <nancy@rbdc.rbdc.com>
in-reply-to:  <pine.sv4.3.91.951106140520.24980a-100000@rbdc.rbdc.com>

on mon, 6 nov 1995, nancy humphries wrote:

> the only restaurant that i have heard a and/or e has any interest in,
> is "the flying biscuit cafe." according to one magazine (deneuve?),
> amy is one of the investors. an atlanta guide book lists emily as one

        actually, i believe that deneuve was wrong.  emily is an investor
of the flying biscuit.  and btw, they have great food!

        t

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from:         pamela shaw <sparkle@primenet.com>
subject:      re: deneuve magazine
x-to:         barbara crawford <rocket@lanminds.com>

do you still ave any left?  or have all 4 been claimed?? :)

peace...
pamela

at 12:23 pm 11/7/95 -0800, barbara crawford wrote:
>if anyone's interested i've got a couple of extra copies of the december
>1994 deneuve magazine left. amy and emily are on the cover, and inside is
>an interview with amy. mint condition, and i'm offering them for the $4
>cover price (each), plus postage. also, free rites of passage album cover
>store display included! ;)
>
>contact me a rocket@lanminds.com if you're interested.
>
>--barbara
>rocket@lanminds.com
>"mean people suck"
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reply-to:     mr neil hunt <ph21nh@surrey.ac.uk>
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from:         mr neil hunt <ph21nh@surrey.ac.uk>
subject:      re: gail ann dorsey
x-to:         piquet@geko.com.au

hey guys
(and sherylin, i haven't forgotton those tapes, i'm just...crap. that's the
word...)

gail anne played bass on two songs, mystery and power of two as well as
sara (one on electric playing low, one on acoustic playing high) as well as
singing on midnight train which started a few nights after she started
touring with them (in england last november...and then i guess she went on
some, but not all of the us shows...she was around for glastonbury though...)

hee :)

aaaahhhmmm leeaaaaviiinnggg....(leaving)

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  |      |  wey 2/06             he says he's only human.
  |      |   surrey court         so he spends the night with old flames,
  | (o)(o)    university of surrey as if to try to prove it...
  c      _)  guildford              and he doesn't like emotions,
  |   __|   surrey                   he's not certain of their ardour.
  |   /    gu2 5xh                    cause if partying carries so much fun,
/____\   england                      then breaking hearts is harder...'
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in-reply-to:  <pine.ult.3.91.951107225856.11125k-100000@henson.cc.wwu.edu> from
              "tricia" at nov 7, 95 11:00:35 pm

(tricia said it, so it must be true!):
=>
=>         actually, i believe that deneuve was wrong.  emily is an investor
=> of the flying biscuit.  and btw, they have great food!
=>
you sure about that?  i, too thought it was amy at flying biscuit (which
does have great food don't they?) and emily at common pond.  the latter i
know is true, or at least it was a couple years ago when there were
newspaper articles on the wall of the store confirming this.

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subject:      a&e promo on aol part 1

part 1

herewith is the promo material aol put on view to drum up viewers for the
november 16th interview--

enjoy!

jude :)

11/16  indigo girls to pay online visit 10:00pm et (aol live)

"my relationship to my audience"--it's a phrase often heard from performing
artists. it can mean anything from the net sales of tour t-shirts to a crowd
of obsessed fans camped outside the door.

but the relationship that indigo girls emily saliers and amy ray have
established with their audience is like a river that nourishes the land
through which it flows and is replenished in turn. it's a deep wellspring of
mutual inspiration which has propelled the georgia duo through a recording
career now  entering its seventh year. since the release of the epic debut
album "indigo  girls" in 1989, their live performances--rather than
saturation radio play or video overkill--have sparked sales of some six
million indigo girls albums in the us alone.

since 1987, amy and emily have played over 1200 shows across the usa and
around  the world including landmark tours with r.e.m., neil young, and the
grateful  dead. they've come a long way from atlanta's little five points
pub, yet  they've held on to the one-to-one intensity and impassioned spirit
which  fueled their earliest gigs. maintaining that spirit over years of
touring takes  a special kind of dedication. "our shows are not a blur to
me," says amy ray.

"we try to be conscious every time we play, to really be there. we're not the
kind of band that goes through the motions of a performance."

now the inspirations and emotions of an indigo girls concert are captured in
the grooves of "1200 curfews," their new live album on epic records. the
group's  first new live recordings since "back on the bus, y'all" in 1991,
"1200 curfews" was created to feel and flow like an actual indigo girls
concert--which is why  it had to be a two-disc (or two-cassette) package
containing over two hours of  music.
                          (continued)

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subject:      re: bfe (nigc)

>in the post announcing the showcase of atlanta artists at the fez, it listed
>big fish ensemble as a "4-piece combo."  anyone know who left the band??
>(obviously not michael or sheila.)  also, is there a story behind it?

dave clair (herod antipas) left the band.

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subject:      re: bryn mawr women *nail* the "4 players" from cornell (fwd)

excellent job!

one more reason i'm proud to be a bryn mawr alum...

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subject:      a&e aol part 2

during our whole career, we've always made tapes of our shows," amy explains.
"it started out on cassette machines, then 4-track, then 8-track." in
compiling the new album, "we went back as far as 1990, and "1200 curfews" is
the culmination of those five years of growth...it's indicative of our
touring life since we got signed. it's not that the record label changed us--
we were just very young when we started, and we got better."

after the may '94 release of their grammy-nominated "swamp ophelia" album,
indigo  girls were on the road for over a year, including a tour of australia
and the ground-breaking "honor the earth" tour in support of native american
environmental rights. "we knew that after that, we were gonna take a break, a
long break," says emily saliers. "we decided, as much for the sake of our
fans  as anything, that it would be cool to do something live. so that's
where the  idea for '1200 curfews' came up."

"even though its been a lot of listening, it's been a lot of fun to go back
through these performances. you forget things that happened: things that were
funny, things we said on stage. and you can hear the evolution of the songs."

"1200 curfews" features live renditions of  many all-time indigo girls
concert favorites. there's the breakthrough hit "closer to fine" and the
classic "land  of canaan" (which amy ray introduces by noting that "when i
first wrote this song, it was a ballad. then i heard the replacements, and it
wasn't anymore.") there's a beautiful version of "power of two," taken from a
radio station  acoustic performance; and a touchingly naive (and previously
unreleased) song called "back together again," recorded in amy's basement in
1982.

"1200 curfews" also includes indigo girls interpretations of  bob dylan's
"tangled up in blue," with soaring solos from string players scarlett rivera
and jane scarpantoni and a surprising turn toward the blues; neil young's
"down by the river," with its vibrant acoustic guitar and violin solos and
rousing  up-tempo break; and a soul-stirring encore of gladys knight & the
pips'  "midnight train to georgia." in addition, there are two versions --one
live,  one studio--of buffy saint-marie's classic "bury my heart at wounded
knee." (the hard-rocking studio take is the only track on "1200 curfews" to
employ overdubbing. all other performances are live as they happened.)

simultaneous with the new album, epic home video has released watershed: 10
years underground videos. this new home video collection compiles every
indigo girls music video, along with interview and performance footage from
both  recent and vintage sources. the power of faith...the power of
song...the power of two:  indigo girls and  "1200 curfews."

some indigo girls facts:

indigo girls have never written a song together. they write separately,  then
collaborate on the harmonies/arrangements.

indigo girls have been nominated for 5 grammy awards. they won for best
contemporary folk recording in 1989.

indigo girls have toured and or played with rem, hothouse flowers, mary
chapin carpenter, the grateful dead, neil young, joan baez, neville brothers,
jackson browne, sarah mclachlan.

indigo girls have released 2 home videos-"live at the uptown lounge" and this
month "watershed-10 years of underground video."

indigo girls have done over 1200 live shows since 1987.

amy and emily met in elementary school in atlanta. they began performing
together in high school in 1980 as saliers & ray.

rem appear on 2 tracks on indigo girls self-titled album. the band plays on
"tried to be true" and michael stipe sings on "kid fears."

the name indigo girls came from the dictionary. amy ray was thumbing  through
and fell upon indigo. amy says it's a deep blue, a root-real earthy.

indigo girls have sold over 6 million albums.

indigo girls made their motion picture debut in "boys on the side" with
whoopi goldberg, drew barrymore and mary louise parker. they perform "joking"
and "southland in the springtime" in the movie and "power of two" appears on
the soundtrack.

indigo girls have participated in more than 60 benefit concerts over the last
5 years.

in 1985, indigo girls made their recording debut with the single "crazy game"
b/w "someone to come home," issued on their own indigo label.

indigo girls touring band includes jerry marotta (drums), sara lee (bass) and
jane scarpantoni (cello).

indigo girls have appeared at the newport folk festival for the last 4
summers.

indigo girls have 2 platinum and 2 gold albums.

indigo girls last studio album, "swamp ophelia," entered the billboard charts
at #9.

indigo girls appear on the platinum philadelphia soundtrack performing  danny
whittens' "i don't want to talk about it," originally recorded by crazy
horse.

amy ray owns and operates her own not-for-profit label called daemon records.
she recently released "jesus christ superstar: a resurrection," on which  amy
performs the part of jesus and emily performs mary magdalene.

indigo girls recently coordinated and headlined a month-long benefit tour
called honor the earth. this tour raised over $300,000 to aide various native
american grassroots environmental activist groups.  indigo girls will include
an honor the earth benefit tour at the end of every touring season.

keyword: "aol live"

date: november 16

time: 10:00pm et

(c) 1995 america online, inc.

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date:         wed, 8 nov 1995 10:29:08 -0500
reply-to:     heidid4660@aol.com
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from:         heidid4660@aol.com
subject:      re: the incredible true adventures of two girls at newport

hey i-girl -

i'm sure i'm not the only one who wants to hear all about your incredible
true adventures at newport -- post away!!  with list traffic dropping below
100 messages a day, we are suffering the painful withdrawal symptoms of which
you speak.  we need your igc to fill the void of the newly barren year!

for those who are new to the list and not acquainted with i-girl, she is a
legend around these parts.  with her permission, i am looking forward to
re-posting a humorous ig christmas tale she wrote for the list -- it was my
favorite post from last year.  i know the christmas decorations have been up
in the stores for weeks already, but i will make y'all wait until at least
after thanksgiving to read this hilarious holiday epic.  something to look
foward to as you drag yourself to work or slog through studying for finals.

peace,
heidi

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date:         wed, 8 nov 1995 10:55:00 est
reply-to:     sheri stanley <sstanley@infinet.com>
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from:         sheri stanley <sstanley@infinet.com>
subject:      re: jaime morton

>anyone out there ever heard of jaime morton?  she's boston based.. i picked
>up her cd at the rhythmfest office this summer and love it..

i saw her perform at a small place here in columbus. i also did an interview
with her for a local gay/lesbian paper i was writing for at the time. i
enjoyed her stuff. a bit of trivia...apparently, david wilcox (incredible
singer/songwriter, guitar player) is her teacher/mentor.

-sheri

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from:         "judith k. hunter" <jhunter@rtc.gov>
subject:      guitar/pc programs by ftp

i was surfing around ftp.uwp.edu  and found a bunch of guitar programs
available by anonymous ftp in the following directories:

pub/msdos/music

and

pub/msdos/soundcards/creative.labs/files/win31

the former has files with names like chorddos.zip, chords16.zip, convert.zip,
tabplay.exe and wfsound2.zip

the tabplay thingy is really a txt file but it highlights interesting
possibilities, like playing music on the pc's cdrom and having the chords
appear on the screen.  i think that is what the author was getting at.  i
know nada about guitars ;)

the creative.labs file is called jukebx.exe and could have all kinds of
possibilities...

for whatever it's worth...

jude

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subject:      the "4 players" from cornell (nigc)

hi indigo girls fans,

could someone forward to me the infamous list of "75 reasons?"  i'm
wondering what all the uproar is about.

lisa

lisa estus
architecture, planning & standards
phone (415) 725-7103, fax (415) 725-0277

stanford university
mc 4120
redwood hall, central area
stanford, ca 94305-4120

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subject:      love's recovery :}

hey there fellow "fearless kids",
     anyone else enjoy putting the cd on "repeat track 4" on 1200c?
i can't get enough of love's recovery live!!  i get back from a class,
put it one for a half and hour, piss off all my neighbor due to volume,
na sing along as loud as possible.  not to mention the look on my
roomate's face when she walks in the room!!  one question, does it
only refer to gay relationships?  i also think of my close girlfriends
who are so far from me, and it applies.  any other opinions?
     one more thing-  i'm at school in the great north country of new
york state.  anyone else up here?  we could meet, discuss the ig, smoke
butts, and laugh.  hope to hear some response soon.
                                                 jess
  p.s.,  bravo bryn mawr women!!!

  "i am writing
   graffiti on your body
   i am drawing the story
   of how hard we tried"   ani difranco

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from:         rsimpson <rsimpson@iusmail.ius.indiana.edu>
subject:      re: nigc:  conservatives unite against "classic rock" (fwd)
x-to:         mts5 <mts5@aber.ac.uk>

          you know, i was just sitting in the computer room today,
          flipping through my messages (i haven't had time lately),
          and i come upon this garbage, nonsense, bullshit,
          right-wing, fascist christian, flop.  i say to myself, "wow,
          what a bunch of closed minded people."  i am reminded of an
          elton john!!! lyric.
               jesus freaks
               out in the street
               handing tickets out for god
          and i finish my reply and start browsing my messages again.
          rich

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from:         "christopher m. becker" <cmbecker@space.mit.edu>
subject:      re: nigc:  conservatives unite against "classic rock" (fwd)
x-to:         rsimpson@iusmail.ius.indiana.edu
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              at nov 8, 95 11:34 am

>           what a bunch of closed minded people."  i am reminded of an
>           elton john!!! lyric.
>                jesus freaks
>                out in the street
>                handing tickets out for god


how about:

                mercenaries of the shrine,
                  now who are you to speak for god?
                with haughty eyes and lying toungues,
                  and hands that shed innocent blood.
                who delivered you the power,
                  to interpret calvary?
                you gambled away our freedom,
                  to gain your own authority.

i can't quite place where i heard that, but i like it ;)

                                -- chris

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subject:      later y'all

well,

i just unsubscribed from the list.  i'm moving and shutting down this
account....

anyway, i'll see y'all at somepoint in the future, keep listening and
learning,

peace,
bill


the republican tide has turned.  democrats keep control in virginia,
re-gain control in maine, keep the gov. mansion in kentucky, pick up
seats in new jersey.

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subject:      cover tape update--scorpios, cancers and international people

hi, everyone.  sorry for the mass mailing but there are a lot of you to
whom this applies.

if you sent your sase to me, it will take a while to get back to you.  i
ran out of pre-dubbed tapes and have been in the middle of midterms and
now i have a research project due (any scholars of messianism in first
century judaism out there?).  so i have about 20 sases sitting in a pile
on my desk that will probably be there for another couple of weeks.

the point:  if you don't get your sase within the next few days it will
probably be a few weeks.

again, my apologies and thanks for your patience.

rock on.
margaret


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subject:      help

hey out there in ig fan world-

i know i already posted something the other day, but i am very new to this and would love to get some more bootlegs that the one that i requested.  as i stated earlier, all i can offer is ssa and a tape, and also my most heart-felt thanks

thanks, jason

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x-to:         cmbecker@space.mit.edu

or even:

i looked into the mirror
proud as i could be
and i saw my pointing finger
pointing back a me
saying, who named you accuser?
who gave you the scales?
i hung my head in sorrow
i could almost feel the nails

and i know this one came from amy grant, believe it or not.

anna

***********
"bach gave us god's word, mozart gave us god's laughter,
beethovan gave us god's fire, god gave us music that we
might pray without words."  - from a german opera house

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subject:      re: confused
x-to:         avital@cs.wisc.edu

          everyone is commenting on the shortage of messages out
          there.  i think we just had the mass flow because of 1200c.
          everyone's still out there, we just don't have any comments
          right now!  kimberly

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subject:      deneuve magazine offer

wow!! i got an *overwhelming* amount of responses to my deneuve magazine
offer. needless to say they are gone. but if you really want one here's how
to inquire about getting one from the publisher:

     write to:
     deneuve magazine
     attn: back issues
     2336 market street, #15
     san francisco, ca 94114

     or call:
     1-800-998-5565

indigo girls rule,
barbara
rocket@lanminds.com
"mean people suck"

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from:         mr neil hunt <ph21nh@surrey.ac.uk>
subject:      aol indigos...

ok...

do you have to have an aol account to participate in this??

if not (and i would hope so, 'cause that excludes everyone outside of america
pretty much...) how does one (i.e. me, a little on the clueless side)
participate in this...

(the fact that's it'll be three a.m. here notwithstanding...)

so long, and thanks for all the fish...

@}--,-'---


  |\/\/\/| neil hunt :)        'alan doesn't understand her,
  |      |  wey 2/06             he says he's only human.
  |      |   surrey court         so he spends the night with old flames,
  | (o)(o)    university of surrey as if to try to prove it...
  c      _)  guildford              and he doesn't like emotions,
  |   __|   surrey                   he's not certain of their ardour.
  |   /    gu2 5xh                    cause if partying carries so much fun,
/____\   england                      then breaking hearts is harder...'
/      \ +44 (0)1483 259393 ex. 4972    @}--,--'---

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from:         nikki nahra <indigosgtr@aol.com>
subject:      (nigc) rem in atlanta: anyone going???

hey, all.  sorry bout the nigc, but i'm wondering if anyone's going to the
show on the 21st of nov at the omni.  or if people would be interested ???
it's the last show of the tour, and they'll be shooting for some video, so
it'll be particularly special...and for a home crowd, too :)

anyways, just thought it might be a neat idea for us intimate strangers to
fix the "strangers" part :)

please let me know as soon as possible if this is a possibility for you.
thanx!!

ig's&guitars,
nikki

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date:         wed, 8 nov 1995 19:26:02 -0800
reply-to:     derek keith moulaison <frisco@uclink2.berkeley.edu>
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subject:      re: bryn mawr women *nail* the "4 players" from cornell (fwd)
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as much as i find what the "players" at cornell wrote to be repulsive and
hateful, i do think it is their freedom of speech to say what they think.
there are hate groups on-line like revisionists and aryan nation, and
they are free to speak their mind. it seems to me that the whole point of
the internet is to promote the last truly free medium for expression, without
gatekeepers or censors, and despite the hateful things that were posted i
think it is totally wrong approach taken by the bryn mawr students, and i
would hope that the administration dismisses it. the beauty of the 1st
amendment is that it  protects the speech we don't like.
        i don't mean to start a flame war, and please don't take this as
support for what was written in any way. it is not. i just wanted to
state my opinion and see what others think.

derek

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subject:      re: bryn mawr women *nail* the "4 players" from cornell (fwd)

frisco@uclink2.berkeley.edu (derek keith moulaison) writes:

>there are hate groups on-line like revisionists and aryan nation,
> and they are free to speak their mind.
is this true?  hate groups are online, and are free to speak anything they
wish about any group of their choice?

(feeling especially naive right now...)
--m.d.

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subject:      the four players...

hey i just got on this list and i was wondering if someone could tell me
exactly what it was that the four players said.  i feel as if i missed
something!  your answers would be greatly appreciated!  thanks...

---beth


so we must love while these moments are still called today
take part in the pain of this passion play
stretching our youth as we must, until we are ashes to dust
until time makes history of us.

                        ---e.s.

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subject:      is this a mailing list?

if this is a mailing list related to indigo girls (as the address implies),
then please subscribe
benjamin s. hay
hayben@aol.com

if it is not, then sorry for the miscommunication.

thanks
neb

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x-to:         derek keith moulaison <frisco@uclink2.berkeley.edu>
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like i said before, i didn't read all of the article before i forwarded
it.  i think, however, that if you are at a private college which has
non-discrimination policies (for instance), what you say on email is just
like what oyu say in person.

so, for instance, since i go to mount holyoke, if i screamed "lesbians
burn in hell" or something equally offensive, i would be in big trouble.
the idea is that there is a limit to "free speech" in the interest of
making *everyone* here feel comfortable.  since mount holyoke explicitly
prohibits discrimination on the grounds of sexual orientation, that is
violating the mhc policy of human rights.  therefore i am in deep doo doo
and would (if caught) probably end up having a date with the honor
council (which i'm on, actually :) ).

so i would expect that cornell has a similar policy.  because you are
speaking as a member of the college community when you use a college
account you would then be held by the rules and regulations of the college.

cheers.
margaret


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from:         "<connie lindell>" <cojehali@aol.com>
subject:      re: pics, pics, pics!!

hi y'all!!

for all you folks who haven't yet gotten your very own personal little red
"indigo girls 1200 curfews" guitar pic, i'm pleased to announce that thru my
sources at epic i've managed to secure a small quantity of these, as well as
the promotional "tickets" that were created for the cd release...

i have approximately 20-25 of these up for grabs, so if you're still without
and would like to get one, send me your address and i'll drop 'em in the mail
to you!

waiting patiently with my stack of envelopes and stamps......:)

-connie

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in-reply-to:  <951109025850_101979852@emout04.mail.aol.com> (cojehali@aol.com)

sorry!  i did not mean that to go to the list!!!!

><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><>
est :)                                  "yet she wish'd/that heaven
han@minerva.cis.yale.edu              had made her such a fish." -i.iii
<>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <><

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me me me me!

i'd *love* one!  igs are the reason i'm learning guitar!

esther han
po box 200863
new haven, ct  06520

would it be possible to send me two--one for my friend?

thanks!

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subject:      mystery

hey i'm new to the list and it has been fascinating to listen in on you
guys for a few days...

anyway, i'm just wondering about something.  1200 curfews "mystery" track -
will anyone back me up on this:  it was played at the arie crown in
chicago in sept 94, although the sleeve says alaska.  i was there and the
episode with the eight year old girl is one i wouldn't forget...

my friend and i just want to know whether or not we are crazy.  were any
of you in the crowd that night who remember?

it will just be cool to know i was at one of the concerts on the album...

thanks, now i  must crash

peace

sue

first to praise the moon

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              "derek keith moulaison" at nov 8, 95 7:26 pm

>
> as much as i find what the "players" at cornell wrote to be repulsive and
> hateful, i do think it is their freedom of speech to say what they think.
> there are hate groups on-line like revisionists and aryan nation, and
> they are free to speak their mind. it seems to me that the whole point of
> the internet is to promote the last truly free medium for expression, without
> gatekeepers or censors, and despite the hateful things that were posted i
> think it is totally wrong approach taken by the bryn mawr students, and i
> would hope that the administration dismisses it. the beauty of the 1st
> amendment is that it  protects the speech we don't like.

while derek is right, there are many hate groups on the net and all
people have the right to free speech, they also have the
responsibility to use that right ethically.  free speech is not an
unrestricted right.  it is not legal to slander, or incite to riot, or
harass with one's speech.  you have the right to say it, but you have
the reponsibility to take the consequences of your actions.
furthermore, no one has a right to internet access, especially free
internet access via a private institution.

i do not have all the facts in the cornell case.  if i were sitting in
judgement of these folks, the key issue for me would be to whom was
the original message sent.  if it was an internal "joke" between the
four of them and someone hacked it out to general distribution, then
imho they are within their free speech rights.  if however, and what i
expect happened, they sent it to a group of people or posted it
generally, then they have fallen into the harassment camp and although
they had the right to say what they did, they now must own up to what
they said!  cornell, as owner of the system, in some interpretations
of the law could be held liable in a civil case if they do not take
action.  they treated these four as adults by giving them their
accounts.  if they are found to abuse that privilidge, then the burden
of responsibility should be taken from them by pulling the accounts.

>         i don't mean to start a flame war, and please don't take this as
> support for what was written in any way. it is not. i just wanted to
> state my opinion and see what others think.

no flame war started, but from what i've seen, the evidence is there
to indict these folks.  i think the bryn mawr women (bmw) did the
right thing.  they called the issue to the attention of the powers
that be at cornell.  they said we do not have all the facts, please
look into this.  and that is what is happening.

                        -- chris

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subject:      oh the joys of indigo -

the joys of  indigo

amy,  emily,  closer to sine,  being able to say "she's not emily--but then
again, who is?"
wondering why no one "whoo hoos" when amy says: i stood without clothes,
seeing cickenman live for the very first time,
almost blowing your speakers listening to god up in heaven,
emily's skill at alliteration,  clever lyrics,
remembering lying on the jumping mats in high school,
my heart slamming to the ground the first time i heard amy sing: "all that
potential gone for good",
going into the grocery store and taco hell and hearing ig being played,
finally hearing your favorite ig cover of the water is wide at the last
show you are able to attend,
flying from kansas to virginia to see them,   finally figuring out  what
exactly a median cat is,
popping in chickenman as you drive into athens,
when mystery takes on a completely new context when you think about it in
terms of a & e relationship,
that i'm not the only one who loves them,   poetry in motion,
not being sure if to laugh or frown at some of amys tuning stories,
the way emily says the word trinket,   less than 6 degrees of separation,
when the luv of ig brings you to the love of your life,   making new friends,
when your computer says: thanks ya'll in em's voice,
when it also says: bout time in amys voice,
when you tell a friend you wish they'd do keep on rockin in the free world
-  and they do,

one word----cowpants,

deadheads digging ig,    true evidence of  fate and destiny,
being blinded by the glare off amys black guitar just as she starts
screaming "i am a sinner i am a sinner,
making ig parodys and getting: wish i was a nomad, and indian or saint to
sound like: wish i had
    a bass boat, a fishing pole some bait
ig in an open air theater,   laughing to yourself because you used to hate ig,
driving in the wee hours of the morning making up this list,
and finally
-knowing there are a thousands of things you all could add to this list


_i'll put a cork in it now  :)                  -becki

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subject:      re: bryn mawr women *nail* the "4 players" from cornell (fwd)
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all this talk about bryn mawr...i wasnt paying attention much but i
remember thinking....thats a wierd name.  i go home, get my phone bill,
and guess where my roommate called....bryn mawr.....wierd ,hey?
later,
stephanie

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subject:      re: pics, pics, pics!!
x-to:         "<cojehali@aol.com>" <cojehali@aol.com>, cojehali@aol.com

i would like one of those guitar picks!!!! the tickets would be great
too!!!
my address: lisa grandjean
            box #37 mercy hall
            trinity college of vt
            208 colchester ave.
            burlington, vt 05401

    you work for epic??!! that must give you some great
opportunities!!! what other kinds of thinga have you been able to get
your hands on???
                                                        lisa

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subject:      part 2 1st amendment rights & what's left

duelling sound bites

stewart baker: kill it before it spreads

"the government needs to be able to detect wrongdoing and conspiracy.  i
believe that as a mechanical answer to the question of individual liberty,
pgp will only make it impossible for the government to protect us. and if
the government can't protect us, than we've got much bigger problems than
individual freedom to worry about. privately held data encryption means
that a hundred or a thousand or a million like-minded individuals--or
criminals--could band together and decide to harm the rest of us."

philip zimmermann: government's scarier than criminals

"e-mail is like postcards--anyone can read them. the technology exists now
to allow the government to sort the tens of millions of postcards that
pass through the system each day, looking for 'dangerous' communications.
if we build a surveillance infrastructure, a bad government could someday
come to power that could abuse it, monitoring every communication, every
episode of travel, every transgression against existing policy. we can't
deploy a technology like the clipper chip that a police state could use.
it would put in place the tools the government needs for automatic wire
taps. we could wake up one day to find 100 million clipper chip-installed
phones, and a government that monitors every communication we have over
those lines.

"i worry about criminals using pgp.  but i worry more about what happens
when you change the power relationship between a people and its
government. pgp *will* do some harm, but i think it will do more good than
harm. governments have killed many more people than criminals have."

the bottom line

according to stewart baker, maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but soon
and for the rest of your life, the government will have a policy against
private data encryption. however, he also predicts that the feds' legal
case against zimmermann won't go very far, partly for political reasons. a
contradiction?  sure--after all, it's the internet we're talking about
here.

how you can get cryptic

to get up to speed on the issue--and to find sites where you can download
pgp for yourself--point your web browser to http://www.epic.org

new from zimmermann and company: pgpfone, a freeware program you can use
to make voice communications (if run through your modem-equipped computer)
as secure as the scrambled line between the white house and the kremlin.
more info via the site mentioned above.

=========================================================================

report number 2, from lwc member sally hand:

i went to the talk at the smithsonian last night.  it was fairly well
attended.  most of the audience seemed to know the people on stage and
they were very pro pgp and phil zimmermann.  the audience was a lot of
suits, but i did see two flannel shirts. i also saw a few librarians in
the audience, so not everyone was an engineer or aclu lawyer.

when we got to the door, the smithsonian ladies knew nothing about last
weds club members getting a reduced rate. they checked with an office and
then did let us in for $12.  i had called the number you had listed in the
e-mail and the gentleman who answered said there was no need for
reservations and that there would be no problems at the door, but as usual
the people making the policy had no contact with the people that are at
the event.

i liked the talk very much and learned a lot more about mr. zimmermann's
"problem." i am a [pro-first amendment person] so had read a little about
the situation. i went hoping to learn more about the privacy rights. when
does your employer have the right to look at your e-mail, etc. in fact, i
am doing a project right now about employee privacy as it relates to
technology. nothing was said except that your employer has the right to
read your e-mail to track any criminal behavior. the gentleman from
steptoe did try to bring the cop issue up again. he seemed to believe that
big brother should keep all the encryption keys as a matter of policy so
that the cops can track the bad guys. the audience did not buy the
argument.

sally hand <shand@dol.gov>

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subject:      part 1 1st amendment rights and what's left

here is an issue of a little electronic rag i subscribe to...this issue is
about first amendment rights...hey, you gotta love 'em as long as they last!

jude :)

to: members of the last wednesday club
from: the gang at fast forward
re: reports on (ahem) "cyber"space lecture at the smithsonian

as promised, here's our next report on the smithsonian's ongoing series of
lectures on the internet. this week's report: encryption and privacy. as
undying advocates of free expression and electronic communication
ourselves, we've also included a report sent our way by lwc clubber,
reference librarian and lecture attendee sally hand, which offers a
slightly  different perspective on the proceedings. this report by ffwd
contributor mark baechtel: the topic encryption, privacy and cybercodes

the setting - baird auditorium, the museum of natural history, wednesday
october 25.
about 160 in attendance--a chattier group, this week. before the
presentation, in the third row, a copy of microsoft's *dynamics of
software development* passes from hand to hand like a concertgoer in the
mosh pit. pleasant surprise: none of the audience questions afterward
would qualify as "dumb."

the participants - moderator marc rotenberg; antagonists stewart baker and
phil zimmermann
rotenberg: director of the electronic privacy information center (epic);
baker: partner at steptoe & johnson law firm, specialist in issues
relating to national security, electronic surveillance, encryption and
export controls; zimmermann: ceo of boulder software engineering and hero
to advocates of total internet freedom, for his development of the
freeware data encryption program known as pgp (pretty good privacy). it
lets people encrypt their electronic communications so only the intended
recipient can read them. users agree that it is pretty good (though not
for unskilled users); the feds think it's pretty bad.

what gives? - concerned about rumblings that the government might take steps
to ban
public use of cryptography to protect computer data, zimmermann created
pgp in 1991 and, as a "political act," put it on a public server. it
quickly spread worldwide. now the justice department is talking about
prosecuting zimmerman, as federal export controls classify the program as
an unexportable "munition." many in the computing commmunity have rallied
to support zimmerman; some have raised money for his legal defense. pgp
and the zimmerman case have become focal points for a larger debate
between those who believe computer communications should be entirely free
of government monitoring, and those who believe that the government needs
a "key" to any data encryption tools in use, to ensure that law
enforcement officials can monitor suspected criminal activity.

historical context: the three ages of data encryption

first age: spy vs. spy (the '40s through the '60s)
american and british code breakers and code makers speed the end of world
war ii, and the major powers come to appreciate the importance of data
encryption--and decryption. the national security agency (nsa) is born,
putting all the archdruids of scrambling and unscrambling behind the same
fence at ft. mead.

second age: spy vs. nerd (the '70s)
in the post-watergate, post-vietnam era of heightened suspicion about the
veracity and dependability of government, law enforcement abuses of
cryptographic and surveillance technologies are debated on college
campuses and in the media, and the distinction between "good guys" and
"bad guys" blurs. the need grows to protect private industrial as well as
national security secrets.

the third and present age: nerd vs. cop (the '80s to present)
the spreading popularity of the personal computer and the advent of the
internet widen the debate about government surveillance and interception
of public and private communications. in june 1991, phil zimmermann
creates and releases pgp.

flashpoint: the clipper chip.

this technology, which the federal government has proposed installing in
the nation's telecommunications infrastructure, would allow users of
public phone or data networks to scramble conversations or data
transmissions to make them secure--with one important exception: the feds
would hold a key that would let them listen in if they wanted. the freedom
of information crowd sees the clipper as the symbol of government control
over private communications; enforcers insist they need the technical
ability to, in special cases, listen in--as they currently have with the
ability to wiretap phone conversations.

duelling sound bites       (continued in part 2)

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reply-to:     lisa grandjean <lisag@charity.trinityvt.edu>
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from:         lisa grandjean <lisag@charity.trinityvt.edu>
organization: trinity college of vermont
subject:      re: pics, pics, pics!!
x-to:         the babesther <han-esther@yale.edu>, han-esther@yale.edu

i'm trying to learn guitar too. i actually have a guitar signed by
the ig's i got it for christmas. it is my prized possession!! i look
at it in awe!! i treat it better than my friends. i'm not looking to
sell it, i just wanted you to know that if you bring guitars to the
concerts, you can flirt your way backstage with the guards and they
will actually sign it!!! it wasn't me that actually went to the
concert, it was a friend of my brother in laws'. she is my hero!!!
                                                            lisa
    "meanwhile our friends who thought we're so together
    they've all gone and left eachother in the search for fairer
weather. though it's storming out i feel safe within the arms..."

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date:         wed, 8 nov 1995 21:42:20 -0800
reply-to:     lisa loutzenheiser <lwloutze@students.wisc.edu>
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from:         lisa loutzenheiser <lwloutze@students.wisc.edu>
subject:      cornell, nigc

i apologize for the nigc, but just cannot let this go by.

derek wrote:
<as much as i find what the "players" at cornell wrote to be repulsive and
<hateful, i do think it is their freedom of speech to say what they think.
<there are hate groups on-line like revisionists and aryan nation, and
<they are free to speak their mind. it seems to me that the whole point of
<the internet is to promote the last truly free medium for expression, without
<gatekeepers or censors, and despite the hateful things that were posted i
<think it is totally wrong approach taken by the bryn mawr students, and i
<would hope that the administration dismisses it. the beauty of the 1st
<amendment is that it  protects the speech we don't like.


a few major quibbles with what you wrote.

1)  hate groups are on line no doubt, but folks can choose to access their
information if they want.  these four young men decided to foist it on a
number of women across the country by sending it directly to them.  why do
you suppose they sent it to rape prevention/ battered womens' programs?
what kind of point do you think they were trying to make?

2)  cornell is a state grant school, and is therefore funded by the
taxpayers.  i do not particularly want my tax money supporting crap that
encourages the denial of my own free speech.

3)  what kind of atmosphere does this create for female students on campus?
cornell already has somewhat of a reputation for not being the open-minded
place.

4)  the joy of free speech is that if these guys choose to put it out there
we have the right to nail them for their acts.

lisa

*********
lisa w. loutzenheiser     lwloutze@students.wisc.edu
university of wisconsin-madison

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date:         thu, 9 nov 1995 08:46:13 pst
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from:         ron johnson <ronjohns@microsoft.com>
subject:      re: bryn mawr women *nail* the "4 players" from cornell (fwd)

i understand what you are saying but all of our rights declared by the
bill of rights implies that they are not abused.  in a relatively open
and free environment such as cyber-space, those who wish to exercise
their free speech without regard to how it is accepted should expect
that heavy and persistent persecution of one's peers will come quickly.
if they didn't concern themselves with who might hear their mindless
dribble, they weren't exercising speech but a one-way electronic
shouting accompanied by deaf ears.  speech implies communication and
therefore they did put this message out for an audience.  the audience
rebelled.

i will say however, that in the spirit of non-aggressiveness, that the
"if a tree falls in the forest. . ." metaphor might be applied to these
4 "boys."  unfortunately, if even one set of ears hears their message,
they have made their "sound."  i don't agree with violence but at this
moment, i surely understand it.

i will not be complacent. . .

-ron
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to: multiple recipients of list indigo-girls  <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
subject: re: bryn mawr women *nail* the "4 players" from cornell (fwd)
date: wednesday, november 08, 1995 7:26pm

as much as i find what the "players" at cornell wrote to be repulsive and
hateful, i do think it is their freedom of speech to say what they think.
there are hate groups on-line like revisionists and aryan nation, and
they are free to speak their mind. it seems to me that the whole point of
the internet is to promote the last truly free medium for expression, without
gatekeepers or censors, and despite the hateful things that were posted i
think it is totally wrong approach taken by the bryn mawr students, and i
would hope that the administration dismisses it. the beauty of the 1st
amendment is that it  protects the speech we don't like.
        i don't mean to start a flame war, and please don't take this as
support for what was written in any way. it is not. i just wanted to
state my opinion and see what others think.

derek

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from:         "danielle d. do" <do@hulaw1.harvard.edu>
subject:      free speech/hate speech

while i believe that the "players" have every right to express their hateful
views, i also believe that silence on our part or, more importantly, on
cornell's part would be comparable to the silence of the likud leadership in
israel during recent months in the face of repeated extremist death threats
against prime minister yitzhak rabin.  hateful speech needs to be included
under free speech, but it cannot be met with silence.

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subject:      major nigc-cookies anyone? (fwd)

hello all--this is so nigc so stop now if you are time constrained.  but
read on for a good laugh.  it just cracked me up and i thought a good laugh
is a better laugh when shared with others--so in that sense ig would
approve so there's your igc :-).  have a lovely day.  and no it's not a
dumb chain letter.  take care

greg

>this message is sent to you with the hope you will forward it to
>everyone you have ever even seen the e-mail address of. in the spirit
> of the originator, please feel free to post it anywhere and
>everywhere.
>* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
>
>okay, everyone....a true story of justice in the good old u.s. of a.
>thought y'all might enjoy this; if nothing else, it shows internet
>justice, if it can be called that.
>
>my daughter & i had just finished a salad at neiman-marcus cafe in
>dallas & decided to have a small dessert.  because our family are
>such cookie lovers, we decided to try the "neiman-marcus cookie". it
>was  so excellent that i asked if they would give me the recipe and
>they said with a small frown, "i'm afraid not."  well, i said, would
>you let me buy the recipe? with a cute smile, she said, "yes."  i
>asked how much, and she responded, "two fifty." i said with approval,
>just add it to my tab.
>
>thirty days later, i received my visa statement from neiman-marcus
>and it was $285.00.  i looked again and i remembered i had only spent
>$9.95 for two salads and about $20.00 for a scarf.  as i glanced at
>the bottom of the statement, it said, "cookie recipe - $250.00."
>boy, was i upset!! i called neiman's accounting dept. and told them
>the waitress said it was "two-fifty," and i did not realize she meant
>$250.00 for a cookie recipe.
>
>i asked them to take back the recipe and reduce my bill and they said
>they were sorry, but because all the recipes were this expensive so
>not just everyone could duplicate any of our bakery recipes....the
>bill would stand.
>
>i waited, thinking of how i could get even or even try and get any of
>my money back.
>
>i just said, "okay, you folks got my $250.00 and now i'm going to
>have $250.00 worth of fun." i told her that i was going to see to it
>that every cookie lover will have a $250.00 cookie recipe from
>neiman-marcus for nothing. she replied, "i wish you wouldn't do
>this." i said, "i'm sorry but this is the only way i feel i could get
>even," and i will.
>
>so, here it is, and please pass it to someone else or run a few
>copies....i paid for it; now you can have it for free.
>
>(recipe may be halved.):
>
>2  cups butter                     4  cups flour
>2  tsp. soda                       2  cups sugar
>5  cups blended oatmeal**         24 oz. chocolate chips
>2  cups brown sugar                1  tsp. salt
>1  8 oz. hershey bar (grated)      4  eggs
>2  tsp. baking powder              3 cups chopped nuts (your choice)
>2  tsp. vanilla
>
>** measure oatmeal and blend in a blender to a fine powder.
>cream the butter and both sugars.  add eggs and vanilla; mix together
>with flour, oatmeal, salt, baking powder, and soda. add chocolate
>chips, hershey bar and nuts.  roll into balls and place two inches
>apart on a cookie sheet.  bake for 10 minutes at 375 degrees.  makes
>112 cookies.
>
>have fun!!!  this is not a joke --- this is a true story..
>
>************************************************************
>that's it. please, pass it along to everyone you know, single
> people, mailing lists, etc.....
>

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i have tried to follow the listmiester's directions on signing off this list,
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subject:      tmf heard on radio!

hey, y'all:

i thought you might enjoy a brief respite from the "75 reasons" list
and its fallout.

on my way into campus this morning, i was pleased to hear tmf on the
radio!  (103.7 fm  athens, ga)  the station it was on doesn't come in
very well, so i usually don't listen to it in the car.  but, as fate
would have it, i left the car radio tuned to that station and heard
tmf (nearly all of it) when i got in the car.

yes, i did check to make sure i hadn't left a tape in the tape deck
overnight.

now, i'm considering building a linear rf amplifier to boost that weak,
distant fm signal....  you know you're an ig fan when you modify your
car's sound system to hear a distant radio station that occasionally
plays ig.

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from:         larry 'daffy' daffner <ldaffner@muirwood.convex.com>
subject:      nigc: free speech, censorship and pcness...

sorry for the nigc, but with all the discussion here about the
offensive forwarded mail, i felt i needed to put my 2 pennies in.

i for one, feel too much has been made out of this.  the originators
of the post which has caused so much uproar have the right to say what
they wish, and we have the right to ignore it.  that freedom is one of
the fundamental bases of our democratic society, and to ban that sort
of expression, even under the banner of "political correctness" is no
less than censorship.

let's look at it from another perspective.  a gay or lesbian writes a
letter stating why they think that their lifestyle choice is right to
a semi-private forum.  it gets forwarded to hell and back, and ends up
posted to a christain forum where a great many people take offense.
did the original author do anything wrong in this case? i think not,
and i would assume most people here would say no as well.  well, this
is, in my opinion, a very similar situation.  you can not restrict
someone's right to say something because it offends you.  if you do,
you give them the right to restrict your right to say something which
offends them.  freedom is a 2-way street. you have to give it to
others to have it yourself.

what it comes down to is this: words can only hurt you if you let
them. (ignoring libel and slander)  if you let them hurt you, you have
let the other side win. why? because you have given their words power
over you. the predjudices, opinions and preferences will not go away
because you restrict speech about them.  so, open your mind and free
yourself from the power of other people's words. remember, no matter
what other people say, you are the only one who controls your mind and
your thoughts.

please direct anycomments on this directly to me and not to the list,
as i don't want to continue contributing to the extension of this
debate (unless, of course, you can tie this in to the ig's ;)

-larry

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whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
pause and reflect." - mark twain

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date:         thu, 9 nov 1995 15:55:50 est
reply-to:     lisa grandjean <lisag@charity.trinityvt.edu>
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from:         lisa grandjean <lisag@charity.trinityvt.edu>
organization: trinity college of vermont
subject:      re: cornell, nigc
x-to:         lisa loutzenheiser <lwloutze@students.wisc.edu>,
              lwloutze@students.wisc.edu

i totally agree!!!!!! what you said was right on!! my best friend
goes to cornell, but he is a respectable guy. we need to realize that
there are some nice guys out there who are taking the blunt of the
crap that the four players had to go through. do remember that it is
your right not to read such garbage distributed throughout your
email.
                                                       lisa
     "what would you give for your kid fears?"

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reply-to:     larry 'daffy' daffner <ldaffner@muirwood.convex.com>
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from:         larry 'daffy' daffner <ldaffner@muirwood.convex.com>
subject:      re: major nigc-cookies anyone? (fwd)
x-to:         greg flamer <gflame@nwu.edu>
in-reply-to:  message from greg flamer <gflame@nwu.edu> of "thu, 09 nov 95
              11:37:59 cst." <v01530502acc7eb9cada1@[129.105.83.124]>

this is a hoax.  it's been going around for years, i believe it
started out as mrs. fields. (same recipie)  i've heard that they're
pretty decent cookies. but the story is false.  if you don't believe
me, check out alt.folklore.urban and find the faq list. i'm sure that
this is mentioned.

(p.s. so are the good times email virus, the little boy who wants
postcards, and a ton of other ul's that are floating around the net.
please do us a favor and keep them to yourselves, as anyone who's been
on the net for longer than a few months has probably seen them
somewhere)

-doing his best to fight ul's

-larry

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from:         christine a zurawski <czuraws@emory.edu>
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i live here in atlanta. it is my understanding that only emily has
interest in fb and common pond. whenever either is in the local papers,
it is only emily's name or picture that are mentioned. <bad grammar, but
you get the idea>


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common sense" <gertrude stein>
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from:         "<connie lindell>" <cojehali@aol.com>
subject:      re: sorry, no more pics! :(  (for now...)

hi all!

wow!  you guys sure are fast!  i just got thru answering the first batch of
e-mails about the ig pics, which i retrieved early this morning....and i just
logged on to send those messages off, when i saw another whole batch of
requests waiting!  so since i can already see that i have more requests
waiting than pics available, i thought i should let you know they're all
gone!

i do still have a few folks left to respond to, if you haven't heard back
from me yet......but for those who are still missing out on pics after this
is done, i'll see if i can snag a few more from my friends at epic.  if i
can, you folks who sent me your requests too late for this time will have
first grab at the next batch - i'll save your messages and let you know! :)

-connie
(who really should be getting some work done sometime today....!)

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from:         stephanie parsons <parsonss@it.uwp.edu>
subject:      re: tmf heard on radio!
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in-reply-to:  <9511091921.aa09171@eng.clemson.edu>

i heard touch me fall in the background of the real world...the episode
where the gang goes to africa for their final trip together.  it was
pretty cool...my heart started racing...not cuz the trip was so thrilling
but because tmf was on!
ok, bye,
stephanie

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from:         karen phillips <kphillips@gonzaga.edu>
subject:      re: oh the joys of indigo

hello, everyone, my name is karen and i"m new to the list.  i'm looking
forward to figuring out who you all are! :)  i also wanted to thank
everyone who wrote back to me so promptly about how to join.  anyway, i
was reading joys of indigo and feeling like i'd found a soulmate, when i
read the line about deadheads listening to ig.  i personally think it's
fate and destiny, too, but i have a friend dave who is a self-proclaimed
deadhead (although i have my doubts about his devotion sometimes) and he
absolutely refuses to be in the room when i listen to ig.  he hates them
because he says they're anti male and it offends him.  i have tried time
and time again to tell him that jsut because they're women does not mean
they're anti-male.  do we all agree that my friend dave is just
closeminded and sexist? :)  good.

                                     peace!  karen

   "i see my eyes in your eyes through my eyes...still waters."

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from:         naz <nazman@iastate.edu>
subject:      indians and astronauts... (sigc)
x-to:         iglist@iastate.edu

hi y'all,

gee it's good to be back! (bought a farm, moved, lost my net access, got
my net access back briefly, broke my knee and totalled my van in a car
wreck, lost my net access again, & finally got my net access back and
caught up on all those messages again...) (aplogies to those i've
already bored with my life |]) if i've forgotten to send you something,
please just harass me mercilessly until i remember!

some indigo girls content:

thank you thank you thank you amy & emily for 1200 curfews and
watershed!!!  you've not only given us these wonderful gifts, you've solved
all my holiday shopping woes in one stroke! these two wonderful gifts
will become my gifts to my friends at holiday time.  it will be my
pleasure to do what i can to make 1200c go platinum (ok, ok, with a
little help from the rest of you guys |]!)

i have a particular affinity for bury my heart at wounded knee (my own
wounded knee aside) as i once was in buffy st. marie's presence and
could feel the strength of her spirit.  it's great to hear amy and
emily's magic power through this song.

anyway, a friend sent me the following little story, which i thought the
list might appreciate in light of recent discussion of issues facing
native americans (hi scott z |]!)...

--------------------
back in the 60's nasa was training astronauts in nevada to walk on the moon.
apparently there is terrain in nevada that looks like the lunar
surface.  so all these scientists and and technicians are watcthing the
astronauts do their training in spacesuits and a navajo shepherd and his
son come along and ask what's going on.

the nasa people tell them that they are training astronauts to walk on the
moon.  the old man spoke no english and his son acted as interpreter.  he
asked if he could send a message to the moon with the astronauts.
the nasa people thought it was a great idea and gave him a tape recorder
to use.  the old man spoke into the recorder and his son chuckled at the
message which he refused to translate for the nasa people.

the people from nasa took the message to other people on the reservation,
each person they played it for laughed but refused to translate it.
finally they payed a person to translate the message for them.  it was

"watch these guys, they want your land."


------- end of forwarded message

all too true.

take care all,
naz

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date:         thu, 9 nov 1995 18:49:39 -0500
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from:         nikki nahra <indigosgtr@aol.com>
subject:      re: names...

did we ever give the fan-name "indigs" a chance?
sounds perfect to me!  --something i think is more likely to catch than
"intimate strangers", to be completely honest.  that term can, and i'm sure
will be used within the ig community *here*, online.  but for general
purposes, "intimate strangers" _is_ kinda long, whereas "indigs" is real
catchy.
feedback???  what do y'all think?

ig's&guitars,
nikki

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date:         thu, 9 nov 1995 19:28:03 -0500
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subject:      re: oh the joys of indigo
x-to:         karen phillips <kphillips@gonzaga.edu>
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ahh, now it can be tough to hear those things.  though personally i am
not a life-devoting-fan of the dead, i do respect their music.  i am male
and i love the indigo girls.  this being part of the reason i subscribed to the
list (though my mailbox is flooded beyond belief! :)).  but for those who
do not appreciate their music, i would not lump them into the world of
sexist men.  though the world seems to have descended into a fiasco of
trying to offend no one and getting nowhere, i still think that people
should be allowed to like what they like and believe what they believe.
along the lines of the 4 men at cornell thing, something i picked up in
one of my philosohpy classes, i do not agree with those who have beliefs
or take actions that infringes on anyone elses freedom.  i dunno.  i'll
probably get crashed down upon or maybe i won't, but who knows. :)
ah well.   nice to meetcha all!
seeya.

>------------------------------------------------------------------------<
>*      to make a prairie it takes a clover and one bee,                *<
>*      one clover, and a bee,                                          *<
>*      and revery.                                                     *<
>*      the revery alone will do,                                       *<
>*      if bees are few.
>*                                                 -emily dickinson     *<
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date:         thu, 9 nov 1995 19:02:03 -0500
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from:         nikki nahra <indigosgtr@aol.com>
subject:      (nigc) looking for kara (sorry, other indigs)

kara????  where are you?    the kara that is/was living in  wheaton w/her
husband of a year, or something like that.........
the kara that responded to my newport post.........
please write me back, 'cause i don't have your address!!!

i appologize sincerely to all other indigs.  please

understand this is only a last resort.  thanx.

ig's&guitars,
nikki

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reply-to:     tangled up in blue <trinket@tezcat.com>
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subject:      your joys

thanks to everyone who sent me notes about "the joys of indigo"
i've got a small list of other ppls igs 'joys' going.. and since i'm
bored.. send me yours if you want and i'll make up a part ii
please... nothing really long ok?


-happy day

trinket

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subject:      general foods promo

hi everyone--i'm new to the list (i finally broke down and bought a
computer).  anyway, i hope someone can help me out--i'm looking for
the general foods promo.  i believe it was released in 1991 and is 30
minutes long.  in addition, i'm also seeking the live tape recorded
at the great american music hall, san francisco--august 24, 1992.
will send tapes and sase.  thank you.

ndgogrl@prodigy.com

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i was listening to indigos the other night (comme toujours) and a friend
(not a real fan) said that while he loves "closer to fine" he doesn't
think that the girls are much as guitar players, and that they didn't
have much talent, in his opinion.  i wanted to come back
with some sort of snappy response, and then i realized that i really know
nothing about guitar playing, other than the fact that i like it.  my
question is, rather obviously, how are they?  i know i love them, so the
answer i get won't change my mind, but i'm interested in responses from
an objective, purely musical point of view.  any thoughts?
-parker
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from:         matthew joseph smith <mts5@aber.ac.uk>
subject:      re: oh the joys of indigo
x-to:         kphillips@gonzaga.edu

>hello, everyone, my name is karen and i"m new to the list.  i'm looking
>forward to figuring out who you all are! :)  i also wanted to thank
>everyone who wrote back to me so promptly about how to join.  anyway, i
>was reading joys of indigo and feeling like i'd found a soulmate, when i
>read the line about deadheads listening to ig.  i personally think it's
>fate and destiny, too, but i have a friend dave who is a self-proclaimed
>deadhead (although i have my doubts about his devotion sometimes) and he
>absolutely refuses to be in the room when i listen to ig.  he hates them
>because he says they're anti male and it offends him.  i have tried time
>and time again to tell him that jsut because they're women does not mean
>they're anti-male.  do we all agree that my friend dave is just
>closeminded and sexist? :)  good.
>
oh my god!   give me a break!   here's proof for deadhead dave that the
indigo girls are not anti-male:

1)  jerry marotta (and all of their drummers and percussionists except
simone simonton)
2)  they were opposed to all-women shows in their early days
3)  countless covers of male-penned songs (by bob dylan, mark knopfler, chet
powers, neil young, gerard mchugh, james d. weatherley)
4)  the fact that emily was able to admit that "her little boyfriend from
6th grade was so cute"
5)  supporting rem and neil young
6)  the fact that daemon records has (or has had) several males on its roster
7)  amy's collaboration with michael lorant on "jcs resurrection"
8)  "we're all the same, the men of anger and the women of the page"
9)  amy's fondness for frank stanford's poetry
10) their contribution to the grateful dead tribute (deadicated - does he
have it, or did he refuse to buy it because of the presence of anti-male
lesbians on it?   or does he skip that track ...)

it's amazing how many women still listen to elvis bloody presley considering
the way he treated his wife (and the fact that he was vastly overrated) ,
yet braindeadhead dave refuses to listen to ig, because of their sexuality,
basically.

but then, it's his loss, isn't it?

mat
mts5@aber.ac.uk

>                                     peace!  karen
>
>   "i see my eyes in your eyes through my eyes...still waters."
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reply-to:     howard barlow/ssi1 <howard_barlow/ssi1.ssi1@notes-gw.tus.ssi1.com>
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from:         howard barlow/ssi1 <howard_barlow/ssi1.ssi1@notes-gw.tus.ssi1.com>
subject:      ani difranco in denver (nigc)

hi y'all,

i just wanted to let everyone who doesn't already know, that ani difranco
is going to be playing at the paramount theater in denver on saturday
nov. 18th.  only nine days away and counting :)

this may be a good opportunity for all us indigs and intimate strangers
to get together for a real good time.  we should plan a meeting before the
show at one of the brewpubs or somewhere.  any ideas???

see you there!!!!

- - howdy (howard.barlow@cdo.ssi1.com)

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date:         thu, 9 nov 1995 20:41:35 -0600
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subject:      ig ????

where excatly are a & e from?  i know they're from somewhere in georgia but if
someone has specifics (and i _know_ y'all do!) please send em to me!

thanks much -
avital

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subject:      ig

i recieved this address from a friend but do not know who i am really
talking to. please send me a note letting me know what this is about.

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from:         ali rosenblum <arosenb1@ic3.ithaca.edu>
subject:      re: help! need wounded knee info (nrigc)
x-to:         linda joanne napikoski <napikosk@chaph.usc.edu>
in-reply-to:  <pine.sol.3.91.951107105749.23192a-100000@phakt.usc.edu>

on tue, 7 nov 1995, linda joanne napikoski wrote:

> oh mighty list of lists, please show mercy and bestow information on
> ignorant me...
>
> i remember lots of chatting about wounded knee around here..talk of a
> book written about it and such. silly me cannot remember that name of the
> book ...  help?? were there more than one?  i would be ever so grateful
> if someone would email me and tell me about the book(s) and who wrote
> them and etc. etc. etc.
>
> i think i saved some of the messages so i'm going to go looking...but any
> info would be appreciated!! :) i have to do a paper on the news coverage
> of a twentieth century event...so if someone could tell me anything about
> where to get all sorts of info about this..and especially the book i know
> someone was talking about...please...<grovel, grovel>
>
> :) :)
>
> btw, just out of curiosity..here in southern california ksca is playing
> thin line lots and lots...i was in phoenix over the weekend and kzon was
> playing bury my heart at wounded knee--are any stations anywhere playing
> both? neither? something else?
>
> many many thanks,
>
> linda, strong enough for a man but ph balanced for a woman.
>
> "we learn to live when we learn to give
> each other what we need to survive, together alive.
> ebony and ivory live together in perfect harmony
> side by side on my piano keyboard, oh lord, why can't we?"
>                   --from ebony and ivory  (?who wrote it?!)
ebony and ivory was written by hall and oats.... silly goose>
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from:         amanda m leff <amanda.leff@yale.edu>
subject:      oh the joys of indigo
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another joy: having a really crappy day, going to your room, turning the
volume on your stereo all the way up and alternating chickenman and romeo
and juliet for two hours while singing obscenely loud. always makes me
feel better...

amanda

"you know once in a giddy mood i thought ice was the past tense of water."
rmb

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from:         derek keith moulaison <frisco@uclink2.berkeley.edu>
subject:      re: ani difranco in berkeley
x-to:         howard barlow/ssi1 <howard_barlow/ssi1.ssi1@notes-gw.tus.ssi1.com>
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is anyone going to the ad show in berkeley on monday? if so, maybe we
could get together, grab a beer talk about reincarnation, or something. if
anyone is interested drop me a note.

peace,
derek

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from:         j.f.l.devaney@aston.ac.uk
subject:      top ten poll results!

hi y'all,

out of the 182 (!?) bands nominated, the following are your ten favourite
artists, other than the indigo girls.

1       melissa etheridge
2       rem
3       10,000 maniacs/ natalie merchant
=4      ani difranco
=4      sarah mclachlan
=6      tori amos
=6      mary chapin carpenter
=8      the cranberries
=8      disappear fear
10      shawn colvin

i'm sure, with a few more voters, we could have differentiated a bit
better, but i think this still stands as a reasonable indicator of ig fans'
tastes. as poll-meister, my faith in the open-mindedness of y'all was
strengthened, with votes coming in for acts as diverse as rush (who i have
to amit i used to love above all others, sad but true) and arlo guthrie. i
decided not to include my own top ten (it wouldn't have changed the order
of things anyway), but i could've picked ten most excellent bands from the
list of nominees - i think the wedding present were the only ones missing.

it's been fun, honestly ... but now i'll be glad to get back to the trickle
of email you've all been complaining about ;)

johnd

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subject:      re: question for guitar players
x-to:         "parker b. hamilton 99" <hamilton@panther.middlebury.edu>
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on thu, 9 nov 1995, parker b. hamilton 99 wrote:

> question is, rather obviously, how are they?  i know i love them, so the
> answer i get won't change my mind, but i'm interested in responses from
> an objective, purely musical point of view.  any thoughts?
in my opinion, they are awesome guitar playing for the kind of music that
they have.  people who likes, say, heavy metal which involves major
guitar riffs and solos would not be impressed very much.  emily is
definately the better guitar player.  she can go on and on with cool
sounding solos.  amy plays with major energy and puts her soul into it,
and thats why she is good.  together, we all know that they are awesome! (:
my thoughts.
stephanie

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reply-to:     lisa grandjean <lisag@charity.trinityvt.edu>
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from:         lisa grandjean <lisag@charity.trinityvt.edu>
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subject:      re: oh the joys of indigo
x-to:         the speaker of silence <sball@moose.uvm.edu>, sball@moose.uvm.edu

you go to uvm??????? i go to trinity across the street!!!!! you like
the indigo girls? i love them!! actually, there are a lot of people
here who like them too.
                                                        lisa

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from:         lisa grandjean <lisag@charity.trinityvt.edu>
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subject:      re: ig
x-to:         julie a donnell <donnjuli@ucs.isu.edu>, donnjuli@ucs.isu.edu

this is the ig top of the line fans. we love the ig's!!! currently we
are debating a name though. some people want to be called indigs
while others(myself included) prefer to be called "intimate
strangers." we share our passion with others in a musical harmony. we
also share ig gossip such as concert tours, amy's tatoo, etc. this is
a great opportunity to get bootlegs if you're interested. the amount
of email you will receive is a tad on the obnoxios side, but bear
with it because it's all worth it. the people on this are friendly.
we sometimes fight, but in the end it all works out. on behalf of all
of the members, welcome aboard!!! i hope you're here to stay!
                                                        sincerely,
                                                        lisa
     "it's only life after all! yeah!"

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from:         lisa grandjean <lisag@charity.trinityvt.edu>
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subject:      re: oh the joys of indigo
x-to:         amanda m leff <amanda.leff@yale.edu>, amanda.leff@yale.edu

oh the magnificent joy of indigo: waking up on a bitter cold day to
the sounds of galileo. that alone is enough to send hot flashes
throughout my body.
                                                    lisa

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from:         "christopher m. becker" <cmbecker@space.mit.edu>
subject:      nigc: boston globe and the players

a story entitled "misogyny@cornell.edu" (michael grunwald) was run in
the boston globe this morning.  an interesting article.  the punchline
is:

        "they also face university sactions: at least one charge
         of sexual harassment has been refered to cornell's
         judicial board.  henrik dullea, cornell's vice president for
         university relations said this case is under 'very active
         review.'"

thought you might like to know...


                                -- chris

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from:         susan swann <sswann@pace.atl.ga.us>
subject:      indigo girls mailing list

i have sent mail to subscribe to this mailing list, and i keep on
receiving responses saying that indigo is non-existant.  how can i
subscribe?  has the mailing address changed?  please write me back.

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from:         sheri stanley <sstanley@infinet.com>
subject:      re: question for guitar players

>parker,
>
>re: the igs and guitar playing. closer to fine is a very easy song to play,
so it doesn't demonstrate much prowess on the guitar. however, assure your
friend that emily is a terrific and extremely talented guitarist and prove
it to him by playing some of her more outstanding solos...i.e. the 1200c
version of chickenman or her solo on pushing the needle too far (also the
1200c version). these are just two examples of some great guitar work. amy
is not nearly as skilled on the guitar as emily, but as i've said before,
amy is one of the most amazing rhythm players i've ever heard and her
passion is undeniable.
>
>-sheri..just my two cents.

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from:         lisa estus <estusl@leland.stanford.edu>
subject:      free speech cuts both ways (nigc)

larry:

>please direct anycomments on this directly to me and not to the list,
>as i don't want to continue contributing to the extension of this
>debate...

now that you've had your say on the public forum of the ig mailing list,
isn't it a little unfair to  *turn off the microphone* because you're
finished with it?! i think you raised some important questions, and since
you asked them publicly, they should be answered publicly.

i think your statement that the four players "...have the right to say what
they wish, and we have the right to ignore it" is quite true but
incomplete. i want more than the *right to ignore* an issue.  i think you
do too, or you would have been content to ignore all the discussions of "75
reasons...."

do i want people to be censored, either the four players or myself?  nope.
i want the same free speech that allowed them to make those jokes, to allow
me to speak up and criticise it.  cuts both ways.

i think your intentions are sincere, but i wish you would look more deeply
into your own statements.  the logic that "no one can hurt you unless you
let them" is egregrious. does it follow that if people were hurt by "75
reasons," it's really their own fault because they allowed themselves to be
hurt?  most folks find out in elementary school that "sticks and stones may
break my bones but names can never hurt me" is nothing more than wishful
thinking or denial.

as a writer, i know that words can be powerful entities with the potential
to resurrect and annihilate. (remember salmon rushdie?)  look at how the
words and music of amy and emily move us. we exchange communications with
"intimate strangers." we are inspired to reach toward others who are moved
by their messages.

larry, you sound like a thoughtful, feeling, caring person.  i just want to
remind you that, as you defend the free speech of the "perpetrators," don't
forget to defend the free speech of the "victims."

peace,

lisa


on 11/9 at 2:00 pm, larry wrote:

sorry for the nigc, but with all the discussion here about the
offensive forwarded mail, i felt i needed to put my 2 pennies in.

i for one, feel too much has been made out of this.  the originators
of the post which has caused so much uproar have the right to say what
they wish, and we have the right to ignore it.  that freedom is one of
the fundamental bases of our democratic society, and to ban that sort
of expression, even under the banner of "political correctness" is no
less than censorship.

let's look at it from another perspective.  a gay or lesbian writes a
letter stating why they think that their lifestyle choice is right to
a semi-private forum.  it gets forwarded to hell and back, and ends up
posted to a christain forum where a great many people take offense.
did the original author do anything wrong in this case? i think not,
and i would assume most people here would say no as well.  well, this
is, in my opinion, a very similar situation.  you can not restrict
someone's right to say something because it offends you.  if you do,
you give them the right to restrict your right to say something which
offends them.  freedom is a 2-way street. you have to give it to
others to have it yourself.

what it comes down to is this: words can only hurt you if you let
them. (ignoring libel and slander)  if you let them hurt you, you have
let the other side win. why? because you have given their words power
over you. the predjudices, opinions and preferences will not go away
because you restrict speech about them.  so, open your mind and free
yourself from the power of other people's words. remember, no matter
what other people say, you are the only one who controls your mind and
your thoughts.

please direct anycomments on this directly to me and not to the list,
as i don't want to continue contributing to the extension of this
debate (unless, of course, you can tie this in to the ig's ;)

-larry

lisa estus
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subject:      bds in bloomington, in

this is really short notice, but band de soleil will be playing at second story
in bloomington, in tomorrow night (sat., nov. 11) at 9:30 (or 10:00, depending
whether you believe the indiana daily student or the herald-times) along with
united states three (i guess bds is opening, though i dunno for sure).

four bucks. if you're there, say hi to the short woman with wire rimmed glasses
and fairly long (well, it's below my shoulders now) brown hair.  :)

peace and stufflikethat,

anne in indiana

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subject:      chickenman and manhaters

ok, it's high time i post again. it's been days, after all. :)

first of all, the post about the chickenman soc tapes that someone sent to
russel and now can't get back from him. that's crappy. what the hell's going
on with that? why on earth would russel steal those tapes? it's no skin off
his nose, amy has repeatedly stated she doesn't care if people boot their
shows, and it's not like he's succesfully removing these boots from
circulation, because most of them are available from other shows. (although
maybe not the famous birthday show, and maybe not my beloved tower show
(4-26-95) that i'm still looking for and may or may not have been one of the
ones sent to russel). anyway, the post-er (was it chris?) mentioned being
confused because they never ended up using chickenman on the album anyway.
well, actually, they did. the transcription of the stream of consciousness
_from_the_tower_show_ is all over the liner notes. obviously, they do have a
copy of that show then, but it could be from the soundboard they made at the
concert. actually, i'm pretty sure there is someone else out there who has a
boot of this show. i've heard rumors. :) anyway, i guess there's no real point
other than to point out what they used the soc for, and to say that i sure
hope someone figures out a way to get those tapes back out of russel. that's
so rude of him!

second of all, i know y'all know this, and the only people who don't know this
aren't on this list so there's really no point in me even posting this, but
i'm going to anyway: amy and emily are so not anti-male it's rediculous.
anyone who says they are is catagorizing all lesbians as anti-male. period.
neither amy nor emily have ever said anything publicly that could even
remotely be taken as anti male. (i keep spelling it 'mail' and having to
correct myself. what kind of fruedian slip is that??) in fact, i have heard
them many many many times emphasize that gender, sexual preference, race,
religion etc just doesn't matter. (wasn't it amy who screamed at a concert
once, "we're all the same, we're all the fucking same!!") in fact, everything
about indigo is against discrimination of any kind. for some idiot to suggest
they're anti-male is insulting to the whole spirit of indigo. does this same
person think they're anti-black and anti-jew too? that would make just as much
sense. (huff!! i guess i told him!!) :)

folkisgruven,
lorindigo

    i           will            not        be               complacent
lorinda wright           "learn to pretend there's more than love that
lw01@lehigh.edu           matters. -e.s.
lehigh university         "the apathy of time laughs in my face
bethlehem, pa             you say each life has its place. -e.s.
    i           will            not         be              complacent

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     for me it's getting in the car (the really crappy day part is the
     same) and blasting it and singing with the windows down (and it's
     usually closer to fine, least complicated, or reunion).  it is
     literally the one thing that can always make me happy, at least for a
     second.
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author:  amanda m leff <amanda.leff@yale.edu> at smtpcc
date:    11/10/95 11:06 am


another joy: having a really crappy day, going to your room, turning the
volume on your stereo all the way up and alternating chickenman and romeo
and juliet for two hours while singing obscenely loud. always makes me
feel better...

amanda

"you know once in a giddy mood i thought ice was the past tense of water."
rmb

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x-to:         "indigo-girls@netspace.org"@netspace.org,
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just a quick question about the new indicated tape being made--when is
the deadline for tapes to be sent in?  go ahead and e-mail me
privately.

thanks,
jeff ksiazek
jksiazek@cornell-iowa.edu

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subject:      more proof they are not anti-male
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              at nov 10, 95 12:18:15 pm

considering the one person who traveled following them like a dead head
follows the dead is a male named joe hamilton (and yes, they think he
is pretty cool). i'm kinda shocked anyone would say that, because the ig are
two of the most beautiful people i have been lucky to meet and see,
   for the guy who needed any proof about thier guitar skills:
em's solo on crazy game
ghost
this train.

that and amy doing chickenman at newport 1993...

mike r.
listening to a rather phishy version of the beatles white album.

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subject:      nov. 19th benefit at eddies -->nigc

well, looks like the heavens have smiled upon me, and i need to be in
atlanta on business on mon. nov. 20th. it just so happens, that there's a
benefit at eddie's on the 19th featuring kristen hall, shawn mullins,
matthew kahler, don conoscenti, michelle penn, mark reynolds, vance
gilbert and probably others i'm forgetting. whoo!

is anyone planning on attending this? i'd love to meet up with you.

one more whoo! for good measure,
kristina

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subject:      chickenmanhaters

                      subject:                              time:  10:56 am
  office memo         chickenmanhaters                      date:  11/10/95

    to all you people with awesome taste in music:
i'm probably opening myself up to massive e-mail swamping and i might regret
it, but i just got on the list yesterday and have read a couple of strange
things.  i'm working full time and am an obsessed perspiring writer, so i
don't know how much time i'll have for this, but i want to get a few things
straight.
there's no way in hell the ig's (did i do it right?) are man haters.  that's
ridiculous.  a comment like that can only come from some bozo who is insecure
in his maleness and feels threatened by the awesome power of amy and emily's
message.  i'm as heterosexual as they come, full on red-blooded, all american,
whatever man and nothing at all turns me on as much as the girls, their songs
and their message.  listening to them tears me up inside and touches every
aspect of my being, like nothing i have ever heard. god, talk about passion.
in my darkest moments when the world gets in a little too close, i turn down
the lights and turn up the girls.
  if you listen close to 1200 c's there's a part where some guy yells out "i
love you."  and emily says "i love you too."
right on.
i can only say this about amy and emily:
"the place where you hold me, is dark in a pocket of truth."
for all those insecure male chickenmen who are afraid of honest passion and
genuine love, you need to get in touch with your inner self, because when it
gets down to it, we are all the same.  we all have our own flavors and
individuality, but that's only because "each life has its place."
and if you don't like it and you think your too tough, too mean and too
fierce, i say you're too scared.  i'll fight any day for amy and emily.
choose your weapon.
okay, sorry, i'm babbling, but the whole spirit and essence of the ig's sets
me on fire -- from the years.  and i'm full of cries of passion.
there are not that many religious experiences in my life.  being alone in the
mountains is one and listening to the voices, music, and messages of two sweet
angels is the other.
okay, there i said it.  i'm a nut.  what can i say.

anyone with anything, bootleg or whatever, i'd like to know about, because all
i have so far is the commercial videos and cd's.

love will come to you.
(don't be afraid of it.)

matt

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subject:      igs guitar  influence

hi all,

i, too, picked up a guitar because of the igs.  i guess a lot of us
were inspired that way.

gina

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my favorite joy is hearing all your hopes and fears about life and love
rolled into one perfect, beautiful line of poetry.

elizabeth

sorry, i don't have the address this was supposed to be sent to.  i hope
maybe this joy holds a special place in your heart too and you won't be
upset.  pretty pleassseeeee!!

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subject:      thin line

what is that song they are playing a snippet of on the intro to "thin line"?

is amy's introduction to "language or the kiss" cut-and-pasted?   i can't
remember any such intro at that gig - i was there.

and the swamp ophelia thank-yous -- what are the "slice of life" and the
"pub of love" in nashville?   they're bars of some kind obviously, but what
sort of bars?

mat
mts5@aber.ac.uk

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subject:      re: oct. project/ig connection

just had to say that october project put on an awesome show at bimbo's last
night!!

as for the ig connection, i can't believe i forgot to mention this before,
but not only are op and ig labelmates (both on epic) but october project was
at one time scheduled to open for the ig's on the swamp ophelia tour!  in
fact, when epic held the record release/slide shows for swamp ophelia in san
francisco, berkeley and mountain view, they also featured op's debut single
at that show, introducing them as the band that would be on tour with the
ig's that year.....unfortunately, those plans fell through, either due to
scheduling conflicts or to the fact that op got offered a chance to do their
own (smaller venue) headlining tour.

anyway, i have a few more dates here for the op tour if anyone is
interested......and i understand that additional info on the band is now
available at the sony web page (www.sony.com -where, coincidentally, you can
also get info on the ig's!)  if you saw them at bimbo's or plan to catch one
of these other shows, you can also drop them a line at oproject@aol.com and
let them know how you liked the show!!  here's the dates:

november 11 - coach house, san juan capistrano, ca
november 12 - troubadour - west hollywood, ca
november 16 - wbos festival for the earth - boston, ma south street station
(lunchtime concert)

following these dates there will be a few shows in the new york area....don't
have the dates yet, but check the sony web page if you're interested! :)

-connie

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subject:      re: igs guitar  influence

     i certainly bought my guitar because of them, but i haven't gotten any
     farther than that (ie actually learning something!) :(
     yvette


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hi all,

i, too, picked up a guitar because of the igs.  i guess a lot of us
were inspired that way.

gina

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          there is alot of christian bashing going on because of the
          conservative statement.  as a christian, please allow me to
          defend myself.  i do not by any means agree with what was
          written.  don't assume that all christians are that thick
          headed!  please!  everyone has different opinions, even
          fellow christians.  so please don't bash the entire religion
          just for one man's ignorance!  thank you.  kimberly

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excerpts from mail: 10-nov-95 thin line by matthew j smith@aber.ac.
> what is that song they are playing a snippet of on the intro to "thin line"?

as far as i can tell, it's part of thin line.
i had the same question for a while, until i realized that that's what it was!
if you listen sorta closely, you can hear emily sing "...i know that i
should be..." which is a snipit of the song...  just in a different
harmony or whatever.

renee

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subject:      re: igs guitar  influence

me too, me too!  i got a guitar a few months ago, and it's all because of
a&m.  i'm just learning to play now, but one of the strongest motivators is
how cool it will be to play their songs.

does anyone have a suggestion as to which songs are the easiest to play for
beginners?

lisa

lisa estus
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subject:      re: question for guitar players


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i must make a correction to the november show list for commonbond ...

nov. 11 -- a gathering ... wilmington, nc (i posted it as va orginally)


thanks

chris

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>is amy's introduction to "language or the kiss" cut-and-pasted?   i can't
>remember any such intro at that gig - i was there.

no, they got the dates wrong for the two london shows,
'cause galileo is definately exactly that on the
video, which was the second night (the 22nd) so the
other is just the same i guess...
(btw, i claim the 'woo' after this is a song by emily
on language, don't remember doing it, but it sounds
like me :):) )

>- what are the "slice of life"

are they not the tour caterers??

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on fri, 10 nov 1995, matthew pallamary wrote:

lots! and it was really brilliant and well said. i really enjoyed your
post, matt. but i take exception to how you use the word chicken man!


> for all those insecure male chickenmen who are afraid of honest passion and
> genuine love, you need to get in touch with your inner self, because when it

chickenmen, all one word, as a bad thing? don't do this to me! don't!
chickenpeople are wonderful!!!!!! we almost became chickenpeople, you
know. not that i feel i have suddenly become an indig. i am still unsure
about that word. i agree with whoever siad it's like indignant. i think
the word indigo loss something when it's not all there.

(kinda like how i'm losing it, and i'm not all here...see how that works)

btw, remember lorinda's (and yen's, right?) funny little tmf interp? did
y'all skip over "the neighborhood  is green"?  i can't rightly remember
right now. but you needn't skip that part, because if amy woke from a
dream, bald, she *would* see that the "neighborhood" is green, if it were
green behind her ears, which it *obviously* is, her being so shallow, all
talk, no work. right?
(please, if you don't know what i'm talking about, don't try to understand)
(of course, that's probably all of you)  :)

linda, strong enough for a man but ph balanced for a woman

for all who told me stevie wonder and paul mccartney *sang* ebony &
ivory, thanks! but that's not what i asked! i knew that. who wrote it?
that was the question.  <cybernods of understanding>

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date:         fri, 10 nov 1995 23:55:42 -0500
reply-to:     mtngrl6@aol.com
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from:         rachel rivera <mtngrl6@aol.com>
subject:      getting used to a country mile

    i've been wanting to write this down for a long time but before you read
it, please understand that the references to sexual preference were made by
others and i mention them only because they are a part of this story and
because, along with the ig, it was one of the things which took me a long
time to discover about myself.  also,i'm new to this group and very new to
the
ig and if i make any mistakes about song titles, etc., i ask that you forgive
my ignorance. if anyone remembers what they played at the g&l march on
washington i would love to be reminded. the names i've mentioned
intermittently are of friends, family, and lovers.  what follows is my way of
saying thanks to the ig and hi to all of you out there.

     fate patiently waited for me to become aware of the indigo girls.  after
i graduated from college in 1989, i moved back to texas to be with my dad and
i was mostly focused on him and being part of my family again.  i heard their
name in passing when my brother and sister-in-law saw them in concert at the
majestic theater.  perhaps i heard them playing in norma's car, subtle
foreshadowing to a life which was becoming painfully more obscure.  the
secrets and sadness i kept were being gently unraveled without my knowledge.
     on one of my escape trips to houston, john tried to get me to listen to
rites of passage by telling me, "one of them is a lesbian,"  but i shunned
them as swiftly as i denied myself happiness.  a year went by, dad died, john
and i broke up.  in nursing school cassie had rites of passage and told me
that
she liked them because they had a few depressing songs and, by the way,
"isn't one of them gay?" (it's odd what people notice and remember).  cassie
introduced me to a lot of music that i knew existed but had never really
listened to, it was her secret gift (:)).  it didn't dawn on me that the
knock on the door was getting louder.
     in april of 1993, i nervously walked into the gay and lesbian community
center in new york city to buy a bus ticket to the g&l march on washington.
i trembled most of the way home in anticipation.  i went alone and was kept
company only by a few kd lang tapes and the sensation of speeding forward
into a marvelous abyss.  when i got there, i wandered aimlessly and in awe of
my companions, millions of people who were strangers but family nonetheless.
i found my way to one of the stages, listened to jesse jackson, urvashi vaid,
the g&l choir, rupaul and, somewhere in between, the indigo girls.  a part of
me was still overwhelmed by the enormity of the crowd but i felt safe when i
heard them singing "get together."  i think they only sang 2 songs and the
second song was "hand me downs."  my memory for their songs fails me now but
i still remember seeing them on stage from about a 100 feet away.  it was
simple, yet spectacular.
     the march was a cathartic experience and when i returned to school, i
came out to everyone.  i was closing a few doors on the past and, in the
process, i made a "death tape" (my way of chronicling my life through music)
for john.  i was finally ending an unhealthy relationship with him through
music.  one of the songs on that tape was "ghost."  i looked at cassie's cd
and chose it because of its title. i didn't listen to any of the other songs
but when i listened to ghost, i knew instantly that it was the song to put
our relationship to rest.
     the indigo girls were completely absent from my life when i lived in new
orleans.  i met janet, fell in love, went with her to europe, moved in with
her and now that i live in california, my life is becoming what i always
imagined it would be.
     about six months ago, my brother roy asked me if i liked the ig, i said
i did but at the time could only remember ghost.  about the same time, after
a melissa etheridge concert, a friend asked me if i liked the ig, they were
to play at the shoreline soon.  i said i did but, for an unknown reason, i
didn't get tickets.  so roy sent me a tape of indigo girls and rites of
passage.  their songs, like virginia wolfe's diary, were a letter to my
soul-- what i felt, and feel, is an indescribable peace.  i now have most of
their albums on tape and i listen to them all day.  i'm a visiting nurse and
whenever i'm frustrated with my job or with a patient, i crank up the music.
whatever is playing at the time always seems to be relevant.
     there are a few songs which have a profound effect on me each time:
southland in the springtime, bury my heart at wounded knee, galileo, pushing
the needle too far, prince of darkness, world falls, and, especially,
watershed.  they evoke emotions which i repress, misunderstand, understand,
and cherish.

     a few years ago, i had a tarot card reading and the end message was that
i would be spiritually independent.  at the time, i interpreted it as being
spiritually alone, i was strong but alone.  now i know that while i was
learning the lessons of that time, the indigo girls were filling the air with
their music.  even though they entered my life in subtle ways throughout the
years, it wasn't until 6 months ago that i realized how honored i am to be
able to listen to them and to share life on this planet with emily and amy.
the fact that they exist and that there are so many people who are effected
by their music is enough to give me faith in the future and hope in humanity.

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date:         sat, 11 nov 1995 01:38:00 est
reply-to:     mr rodney s wicker <rucr57a@prodigy.com>
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from:         mr rodney s wicker <rucr57a@prodigy.com>
subject:      anti-male?
x-to:         kphillips@gonzaga.edu

karen,

play the interview segment on the video "live on the uptown lounge,"
for your mate.  the interviewer asks them about being a "women's
band" and they respond that they want to reach men because playing to
both sexes is "more a sampling of reality."

they can't say it any plainer than that.

also, i think your mate feels that all lesbians are angry, anti-male,
witches!!  please, please bring him into the real world!!!

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date:         sat, 11 nov 1995 12:36:02 +0000
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subject:      conservatives unite repost

sorry, guys, i don't know how that got sent again.   did someone else repost
it or something?   i sure as hell didn't send it.

mat
mts5@aber.ac.uk

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subject:      execution of ken saro-wiwa:  boycott shell oil now!

whether or not this was news in america or not i don't know, but the
nigerian government yesterday executed the playwright ken saro-wiwa.
saro-wiwa was accused of inciting the murder of ogoni tribal chiefs who were
in cahoots with the nigerian government and shell oil, who were exploiting
their land for the benefit of shell oil and the country's military junta -
but not the ogoni people or the people of nigeria generally.   he had long
campaigned for the rights of the ogoni people against the expoitation of
their land by energy companies.   does this remind you of anybody?

he was tried last week in what was descibed as a classic show-trial -
defence attorneys harassed, his mother and wife beaten outside the court,
and the prosecution attorneys and judges bribed.   ken saro-wiwa was almost
certainly innocent, and amnesty intenational considered him a prisoner of
conscience.   the trial and swift execution intended to demonstrate to
opposition within the country and without (ie the entire british
commonwealth) that abacha's government means business.

since the execution of ken saro-wiwa calls have been made to boycott the
products of shell oil whose presence in the ogoni homeland had been ken
saro- wiwa's grievance, and for economic sanctions against nigeria.   the
guardian newspaper showed a cartoon this morning with saro-wiwa's head in a
noose - which led into a petrol pump.   i urge everybody to join the boycott
and to write letters to your government to encourage the pusuit of
sanctions.   military dictators have to be shown that they cannot just kill
anybody they don't like and get away with it.

matthew j smith
mts5@aber.ac.uk

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from:         matthew j smith <mts5@aber.ac.uk>
subject:      re: a&e restaurants ownership
x-to:         nancy humphries <nancy@rbdc.rbdc.com>

>the only restaurant that i have heard a and/or e has any interest in,
>is "the flying biscuit cafe." according to one magazine (deneuve?),
>amy is one of the investors. an atlanta guide book lists emily as one
>of the owners of "a common pond," a shop which sells environmentally-
>friendly products.

are you sure this is still the case?   sue owens, formerly emily's
girlfriend, was the owner of the common pond, but they split up a while ago.
did they stay in business together after they split up?

when owens was setting up the common pond, she attempted to get southern
voice (atlanta's gay magazine) to help her launch it, but they insisted that
"emily or amy" be there.   amy wrote a letter to the magazine to protest
against this, but the editor's note at the end said it was "inaccurate" -
yet they didn't put their story in.   i wonder why?

mat
mts5@aber.ac.uk

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>nancy@rbdc.rbdc.com
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date:         sat, 11 nov 1995 11:17:35 -0600
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from:         avital livny <avital@cs.wisc.edu>
subject:      watershed!!

just got the video last night and _had_ to watch it a couple times through!  i'm
in love!!!  anyways, i highly recoomend getting it (if you can find it.  there's
like only one copy in this whole city!  it took me forever to finally find it)!

just a note -
avital

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date:         sat, 11 nov 1995 13:54:33 edt
reply-to:     ann with an 'a' <creechal@cc.emu.edu>
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from:         ann with an 'a' <creechal@cc.emu.edu>
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subject:      (fwd) re: conservatives unite against "classic rock"

i forwarded the conservative post to my friend jason to see what he
had to say.  here's his reply.  -anna

------- forwarded message follows -------
from:          "jason "chicken man" benner" <cc/bennerjc>
organization:  eastern mennonite university
to:            "ann with an "a"" <cc/creechal>
date:          thu, 9 nov 1995 16:02:03 edt
subject:       re: conservatives unite against "classic rock"

hey anna.  i haven't replied to any of your forwarded messages for a
while, but i feel inclined to do so with this one.  i agree that evil
messages are sent through classic rock music.  i have also seen
trashy operas.  i sensed quite a few double standards in the
message, and although i would love to be able to make a blanket
statement like that and have it mean something, that is impossible.
the author of that statement must see the issue as being as black and
white as the text of this message.  i don't.  where is the love?  the
author talks of cleaning people out of the garbage pit.  wake up,
buddy.  it is only grace that separates him from a worse situation.
classic rock has nothing to do with it on that level.

classic rock can be poisonous.  so can classic works of art.  so can
classical music.  so could the message you forwarded to me.  it is
not what goes into us that makes us unclean; it is what comes out of
us that does.

thanks for stretching me.

~jason

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subject:      nigc!  sound utility help

ok y'all -- this is wicked nigc, so skip it if you are that way...

but i know some of you are web-meisters and might be able to help me
out... i finally slapped some of my songs into just a shitty wuick .wav
format and the thirty secong clips were well over a meg.  is there a good
utility (for winnows or dos, please --) any of y'all know of for creating
files that are smaller in any audio format, or a good util that will
change formats?  i really dont want to have to .zip things for the web
page, you know?  thanks again y'all... phil

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reply-to:     chandra <fscjs1@aurora.alaska.edu>
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from:         chandra <fscjs1@aurora.alaska.edu>
subject:      help with abbreviations

i've been on this list for a month or so now and i love it, but some of
the abbreviations used baffle me.  i'm not a complete and total newbie,
but this is the first list i've ever subscribed to.  i've tried to figure
them out and i get most if them referring to ig songs and cd's.  the ones
i see most often and don't get are imho and nigc.  what do they mean?  i
feel as if i'm missing out here...

please don't think i'm an idiot,

                chandra

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from:         jillbert <gmhunger@mailbox.syr.edu>
subject:      nigc: hi everyone!

just wanted to say hi to everyone on this list.  i've been looking for ig
info for years, and finally found this today while i was on the web.  i
look forward to getting and giving lots of information.  i'm really
excited, so here's to a great future.

peace-
jill
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to all of you who've loved and lost without quite knowing why.  may you
all find love again because believe me it does happen. mystery.

                "i could go crazy on a night like tonight.
                the summer's beginning to give up her fight,
                and every thought's a possibility.  the voices
                are heard, but nothing is seen.  why do you
                spend this time with me may be an equal
                mystery."
                                ~emily sailers
                                   indigo girls

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date:         sat, 11 nov 1995 16:23:44 -0600
reply-to:     rebecca gaukroger <gaukroge@uiuc.edu>
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from:         rebecca gaukroger <gaukroge@uiuc.edu>
subject:      abbreviations....
x-to:         chandra <fscjs1@aurora.alaska.edu>
in-reply-to:  <pine.osf.3.91.951111115129.15331b-100000@aurora.alaska.edu>

right, here are some of the abbreviations, i'm bound to miss some....

imho -- in my humble opinion

nigc -- no indigo girls content (stick that at the beginning of your
subject line if it applies, so people who don't want to read stuff that
isn't ig (sorry, indigo girls!  i'm using abbreviations to explain
abbreviations, this is not good news) related can skip over it.

albums and songs are usually abreviated by using the first letters of
each word in the title, so rop is 'rites of passage', tmf is 'touch me
fall' and so on.

hope that's of some help.  i don't actually like all of these
abbreviations much, but it makes life easier when you're in a hurry
(better solution:  slow down!),

rebecca.

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     punishment is that he sees the dawn before the rest of the world"
                                                        oscar wilde

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from:         "crash dhr (jc earls)" <crashdhr@aol.com>
subject:      re: hate from cornell:apology really in order?
x-cc:         mlether@vm1.mcgill.ca

doug apologized on behalf of all men for the haters from cornell..

thanks, but please don't speak for me.
those men are vile, small, disgusting, arrogant -- but i am no more
responsible for their actions than kd. laing or jesse jackson is.

one final phase in the gender movements of the 70's through 90's has to be
women's willingness to avoid, and men's unwillingness to accept, some early
70's notion that all "men" or "white males" need to accept blame,  to
acknowledge some "new" awareness,  for the unjust situations that the power
structures have created.

allowing men or women to make statements about "men" turns quickly into the
same kind of thinking as "well, not all jews/catholics/lesbians/blacks are
like this but...."
"men " is just a category -- which might lead too quickly  to
categorizing....

i am a straight white male. if you think that even begins to tell you much
about who i am, perhaps you have  begun to slip into some prejudices
yourself.

one of the beauties of art/music, and one of the positive results of the
indigo girls and melissa's rise to national prominence, is that we see the
individual behind the label --the individual, in fact, moves to the fore.
after having "known" melissa, amy and emily, it's hard for straight america
to ever say, "lesbians are ...." the label withers before the greater reality
of their personhood. (their music then becomes virtually all of who they are
-- as it should be..)

it has to be so with "men", soon....or we'll never get beyond where we
are.....how can i fully support women or blacks with my whole soul (and not
just the better half) if they have some permission to prejudge me, just
because i belong, is some ethnic/gender sense only, to a major power group?

the next time someone says --friend or foe, male or female, gay or straight
-- "well, you know, men -- " just stop them, and ask them who it is they are
really talking to?

some of us read virginia woolf and listen to ani d. some don't. some play
basketball. some don't. four  of "us" are idiots from cornell. some of "us"
commit sexual harassment, rape, die of aids, write novels, teach school, make
money, give it away. the rest of us don't.
almost nothing one says about "all of us" can be true.
don't give in to the temptation of allowing your friends or the women you
care about continue to speak as if it were.
if continue to isolate "men" in speech and thoughts,  we'll end up with the
real paranoids --the current crop of republicans and too many democrats, some
of who were brought to "maturity" at the ivies --  continuing  to run the
country as if they were under psychic seige.

we can do better than that.
jcearls.aol.com.

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date:         sat, 11 nov 1995 15:34:45 -0800
reply-to:     "amy j. putnam" <pegasus@crl.com>
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from:         "amy j. putnam" <pegasus@crl.com>
subject:      new cd from cree (nigc)

perry at rdr has just let me know that the fabulous atlanta band
cree, hasjust released their first cd.  i saw this badn at last year's
rdr new year's bash and was very impressed.  perry has about 50
copies signed by the band.  they are $11.95.

rdr's number is 1-800-636-6166
e-mail:  rainy@mindspring.com

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pegasus@crl.com                /        when you're alone
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subject:      weakness in me

i hopped onto the www in an attempt to find guitar chords for the ig cover of the weakness in me, (looking both under ig and joan armatrading) but with no luck.  does anyone have these handy?  i have not heard joan armatrading's original, is the ig much different?  do i have to capo or transpose?

thanks.
alycia
somehow we get there
through the blind night
we got the white lines flashing past the tips of our headlights
                                                             - melissa ferrick

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from:         nikki nahra <indigosgtr@aol.com>
subject:      ??s for a+e (jude!!)

some questions i'd love to hear the answers to:

>when writing songs, are your lyrics written *before* the music, after, or
during (yikes!)?

>did either of you ever take voice lessons???

>emily:  do these incredi-solos just come to you in your sleep,    .
           or what???  :)

>newport folk fest next summer???

>do you guys actually read fan mail yourselves, or is it too voluminous to do
that?  if you do, is it currently-sent mail, or stuff from, like, 5 months
ago :) ?

>is there some way that we, as your fans, could possibly show our
appreciation for you, both as talented musicians and beautiful people?

jude:  could you post a final list of the questions to the list?

anyone who knows:  when are the rest of the disney dates?
               some have said nov 14 &16, some, nov 4 &6...which is
               it, and are there any dates in dec?
       many thanks to those who have been patient in clearing up the
confusion.  without a cable guide, i know i appreciate it! :)

>>also for anyone who may know:  is mystery *really* about emily and amy's
relationship??

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from:         "lori l. collins" <lcollins@jaguar1.usouthal.edu>
subject:      least complicated chords
in-reply-to:  <199511120501.aaa12566@netspace.org>

i was watching the lc video today and noticed that the chords were
flashed up on the screen. i grabbed by guitar and sort of trudged
along.

i grabbed a copy of the chords from the aol mirrors site. i compared the
2 and they do not match. :(

for you guitar folk out there, which is closer to ig? or is this one of
those cases where it just doesn't matter because i'll never be able to
play it that well anyway? :)

thanks.

lori

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subject:      nigc - october project

hey, i wanted to thank whoever is was that posted info for the october
project's concert at bimbo's.  i missed half an hour b/c i had to wait for my
friend to get out of her class but i flew up to the city (without getting a
ticket, thank you!) and walked in on ariel.  we were momentarily panicked b/c
the box office was closed but the guy made us promise we'd get 3 drinks each
and let us in free!  what an excellent night!  they sounded great, which was
an apprehension of mine b/c not all bands are able to play live but they
definitely were terrific.  so thanks to whoever it
was...thankyouthankyouthankyou!  i owe you one!

andrea, happily listening to falling farther in in her ffi t-shirt  =)

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subject:      nigc: video utility for daemon video clips

hi gang,

i'm still trying to figure out how to watch the jcs video clips from
daemon's web site. their type is x-sgi-movie and bijouplay does not know
about it. has anyone successfully watched these clips on the mac or the pc
? i sent mail to daemon via their web page asking about this but haven't
received a response.

thanks,

monique

mhb@entelechy.com

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from:         matthew j smith <mts5@aber.ac.uk>
subject:      re: bryn mawr women *nail* the "4 players" from cornell (fwd)
x-to:         gre1440@aol.com

>frisco@uclink2.berkeley.edu (derek keith moulaison) writes:
>
>>there are hate groups on-line like revisionists and aryan nation,
>> and they are free to speak their mind.
>is this true?  hate groups are online, and are free to speak anything they
>wish about any group of their choice?

i'm afraid that yes they are.   there is an entire web-site called american
renaissance given over to half-baked race/intelligence studies and other
pseudo- intellectual racism.   the only check on them is their isp - send a
message to their post-master and they may get a warning and, if they
continue, their account taken away.

the same is true of sexual harassment - there is right now someone on the
internet trying to get "lesbian xxx pictures" of "you and your girlfriend"
and people are e-mailing his isp.   his name's lee greer.

but if these groups have their services provided by their own domain,
there's not much you can do about it - nothing in fact, except lobby to make
racist material illegal.   newt gingrich earlier this year opposed a bill to
make child porn over the internet illegal because he thought it interfered
with "freedom of speech".   so i doubt racist websites are high on his agenda.

mat
mts5@aber.ac.uk
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>(feeling especially naive right now...)
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from:         matthew j smith <mts5@aber.ac.uk>
subject:      nigc - hate groups p.s.

by the way, on some usenet groups there's all sorts of garbage about "jewish
conspiracies" and "why are jews running my country" - mostly in discussions
concerning islamic extremists, such as hizb-ut-tahrir (party of liberation,
would you believe) in england, an islamic organisation which hates gays,
jews, christians, hindus, democracy, western culture and the states of
israel and india.   such groups are convinced the world is being dominated
by some zionist conspiracy, from student unions to the highest government
levels.

check out alt.religion.islam and uk.religion.islam (and presumably .judaism
as well) if you want to see what i mean.

mat
mts5@aber.ac.uk

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hi jon!

i've been absent from the list for the past couple of months cos of moving
around the country.

i'd love a t-shirt - if you've still got some - could you please mail me
details of how i go about ordering one from you (i live in england)?
thanks!

regards,
jade

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hi margaret!

i've been off the list for the past couple of months due to moving and stuff
- and have only just got back on-line this week.

i'd love to get a copy of the tape - so if it's still possible - could you
mail me and let me know what i have to send you (i'm mailing from england).

thanks!

regards,
jade

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subject:      cover notes

hi everyone
its great to hear that there's an indigo girls cover of 'weakness in me'.
when did this happen then? sorry if its years ago and everyone's talked it
out endlessly already! if anyone wants the chords posting, i'll send them to
the list, but i bet someone else has done this.
its so strange to find that 'tangled' is covered (my favourite dylan that i
can play on guitar) and now 'weakness' (my favourite joan that i can play on
guitar).
will it be 'talkin about a revolution' (tracy chapman) next? (you've guessed
it, about the only other song i can play on guitar! ;))
just goes to show how similar musical tastes can be doesn't it tho? fiona

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subject:      re: more lyric interp.

yet another involuntarily-reposted message ... is it my system, or is
someone else doing it?

mat
mts5@aber.ac.uk

>>so you see, amy's really just a shallow person obsessed with the fact that she
>>cut her hair off. maybe if we look at it we'll discover that hammer and a nail
>>is really about nail polish, or that joking is really about "truly tasteless"
>>joke books, or that chickenman is really about kfc. sheesh! and we thought
>>these women were profound!
>>
>if amy is shallow, it wouldn't have made any difference to hammer & a nail.
>emily wrote it.
>
>mat
>mts5@aber.ac.uk
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subject:      tmf again

hmmm, very interesting indeed. thank you linda for that brilliant insight into
one of the "mystery" lines in tmf. yen and i had missed the "neighborhood is
green" line and had erroneously assumed it was one of those nonsense lines she
had so cleverly put in to steer us away from the true meaning of tmf. (hair,
for those of you who weren't here.) yes, indeed this is a very interesting
reference to hair. if we remember the brilliant "sesame street" interpretation
of "hammer and a nail" (who was that? i forget) involving hair growing in as
grass behind the ears. _well_ then the "green" is obvously referring to the
grass thing, which is cleverly trying to throw us off by refferring to another
(equally shallow) ig song. and the "neighborhood" is a subtle reference (again
obviously) to "mr. roger's neighborhood" which, if i remember correctly, was
on right after sesame street. :) thanks again, linda, for setting us straight.

folkisgruven,
lorindigo
    i           will            not        be               complacent
lorinda wright           "learn to pretend there's more than love that
lw01@lehigh.edu           matters. -e.s.
lehigh university         "the apathy of time laughs in my face
bethlehem, pa             you say each life has its place. -e.s.
    i           will            not         be              complacent

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subject:      re: dedicated....
x-to:         michael reynolds <asl@gandalf.umcs.maine.edu>

>think, before i was a drooling at the mouth obssessed go-head (course i have
>cerebral palsy and i always drool, so i guess i am making fun of myself..)
>not too politically correct but most pc stuff was determined by straight
>white non-disabled rich proffessors at prestigeous ivy league schools...
>besides, who the hell can use the term "differently abled" with a straight
>face? i find the "pc term" much more offensive..
>disabled, handicapped, crippled, tired, and babbling,
>mike r.
>

you may remember a while ago i made a comment about the american left being
a bunch of middle-class ivy-leaguers who then go off and get a six-figure
job?  well it's people like that i was referring to ... in response,
actually, to a lot of offended people, offended by the way i took offence to
someone calling the indigo girls "womyn" - and the anti-american post
offended even more people.
including someone who said her grandad was a founder member of the ira -
those terrorists, remember, who put bombs in uk shopping centres ...

mat
mts5@aber.ac.uk

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from:         "judith k. hunter" <jhunter@rtc.gov>
subject:      re: execution of ken saro-wiwa:  boycott shell oil now!

the e-mail address to forward mathew's well-worded summation of the event and
to register your own protest to bill clinton is

president@whitehouse.gov


peace,

jude

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subject:      big fan

i was cruising the internet and wondering what this was all about.
i am a huge fan of the indigo girls and thought i'd check it out.
please keep me informed
thanks!

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hey everybody!
     what's up?  i just recently subscribed to this mailing list, and i just
wanted to say "hi" to everyone.  i love to get mail, so please write to me.
                                                      susan

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subject:      do a&e own pets?

curiosity mostly -- does a and/or e own any pets (dogs, cats, etc.)?
i remember seeing a mention of a 'cat sitter' in a "thank you" of amy's
on one of their cds, but i don't think i've ever read anything about
them owning pets themselves.

nancy & two crazy welsh corgis

nancy humphries
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subject:      re: question for guitar players
x-to:         "parker b. hamilton 99" <hamilton@panther.middlebury.edu>

opinions of guitarists tend to fall into two categories:  technicial-type
players (how many notes per second can they play) and "feel"-type players (they
don't play fast but their note selection is great).

emily is not a technician.  her talent (and amy's) is creativity.  the way they
combine the two guitars and vocals is creative.  they also have strong
songwriting skills.

most ig songs can be played by beginning guitarists after 6 months-2 years of
playing.  led zeppelin, van halen songs would typically take 4-6 years playing
time for a good guitarist.  of course there are exceptions.  some can never
master this level.  some can play it after 1 or 2 years practice.

rob

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subject:      re: watershed!!
x-to:         avital@cs.wisc.edu

just got the video last night and _had_ to watch it a couple times
through!  i'm
in love!!!  anyways, i highly recoomend getting it (if you can find
it.  there's
like only one copy in this whole city!  it took me forever to
finally find it)!

just a note -
avital


for anyone else having trouble finding the video watershed try
ladyslipper in durham nc (sorry, i'm at work and don't have the
address with me but that's why we let the phone companies stay in
business) they distribute tons of women's music and i'm sure they
have more than 1 copy in stock.

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subject:      re: indians and astronauts... (sigc)
x-to:         naz <nazman@iastate.edu>

i think i saw this in some movie (apollo 13?).  you put out a movie and
people start to believe it really happened (remember ronald reagan).

rob (nasa employee but i was just a kid during the apollo days)

--------------------
back in the 60's nasa was training astronauts in nevada to walk on the moon.
apparently there is terrain in nevada that looks like the lunar
surface.  so all these scientists and and technicians are watcthing the
astronauts do their training in spacesuits and a navajo shepherd and his
son come along and ask what's going on.

the nasa people tell them that they are training astronauts to walk on the
moon.  the old man spoke no english and his son acted as interpreter.  he
asked if he could send a message to the moon with the astronauts.
the nasa people thought it was a great idea and gave him a tape recorder
to use.  the old man spoke into the recorder and his son chuckled at the
message which he refused to translate for the nasa people.

the people from nasa took the message to other people on the reservation,
each person they played it for laughed but refused to translate it.
finally they payed a person to translate the message for them.  it was

"watch these guys, they want your land."


------- end of forwarded message

all too true.

take care all,
naz

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subject:      re: abbreviations....

     ok, what's lol?  that's the only one i haven't gotten yet.
     yvette


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subject: abbreviations....
author:  rebecca gaukroger <gaukroge@uiuc.edu> at smtpcc
date:    11/11/95 2:36 pm


right, here are some of the abbreviations, i'm bound to miss some....

imho -- in my humble opinion

nigc -- no indigo girls content (stick that at the beginning of your
subject line if it applies, so people who don't want to read stuff that
isn't ig (sorry, indigo girls!  i'm using abbreviations to explain
abbreviations, this is not good news) related can skip over it.

albums and songs are usually abreviated by using the first letters of
each word in the title, so rop is 'rites of passage', tmf is 'touch me
fall' and so on.

hope that's of some help.  i don't actually like all of these
abbreviations much, but it makes life easier when you're in a hurry
(better solution:  slow down!),

rebecca.

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from:         naz <nazman@iastate.edu>
subject:      indians and astronauts and cows... (sigc)
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in-reply-to:  your message of "mon, 13 nov 1995 10:10:19 est."
              <9510138162.aa816290317@ccmail.gsfc.nasa.gov>

hi rob, hi all...

>i think i saw this in some movie (apollo 13?).  you put out a movie and
>people start to believe it really happened (remember ronald reagan).

hey rob, i hate to break it to you, but unfortunately ronald reagan
really *did* happen |]

but i get your point, although i'd say just 'cause it was in a movie
doesn't mean it didn't happen (i believe they really *did* go to the moon.)
i haven't seen a13 yet, so i'll keep my eyes peeled when i do see
it... it would be interesting to find out what parts are documented.

one more of the joys of indigo: stepping outside at 1am to look at the
stars and half moon out at the farmhouse, hearing a lone cow mooooooooo
at the lovely night, and feeling a big smile spread involuntarily across
your face...

>rob (nasa employee but i was just a kid during the apollo days)

take care,

naz (just a kid during the mercury through apollo and present days...)
(what days are we in now, by the way?)

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subject:      re: igs guitar  influence

good heavens! i wonder if amy and emily know how much they've done for the
acoustic guitar world? i think it's neat that so many people have taken up
the guitar because of the indigo girls. guitar makers (commercial and
private) certainly appreciate the boom in business that's associated with a
renewed interest in the acoustic guitar because of amy and emily and others.

btw..strange fire is a good song for a beginner to start with.

-sheri

i think i understand; fear is like a wilderland-stepping stones or sinking sand.
    -joni mitchell


>me too, me too!  i got a guitar a few months ago, and it's all because of
>a&m.

>does anyone have a suggestion as to which songs are the easiest to play for
>beginners?
>
>lisa

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from:         "judith k. hunter" <jhunter@rtc.gov>
subject:      re: indians and astronauts and cows... (sigc)

just wanted to say that i saw a13 and it was great.  one of those movies
where the audience applauds at the end...that and babe which is another
story!

a13 doesnot have any *documentation* shots---ron "he's so cool" howard (and
he is) has really produced a fine movie.  all shots are as real as hollywood
can make 'em (i'm not sure what i am saying here but i'm not venturing into
sarcasm:)

anyway, the weightless shots on the spaceship were made in an airplane
plunging toward earth at an ungodly speed which is the only instance near
earth that true weighlessness can be had....hey, did i tell you this is a
*great* movie....

jude

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subject:      strangefire 4 beginners

if anyone needs the chords for sf, i can send them snail mail--jude :)

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subject:      way nigc: more nasa funnies...
x-to:         kimberly hertz <hertz@tcm.org>

ok,  i thought i'd share this one with you folks, given the astronaut
talk on the list.  enjoy!

                                --  chris

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when apollo mission astronaut neil armstrong first walked on the moon, he not
only gave his famous "one small step for man, one giant leap for mankind"
statement, but followed it by several remarks - usual com traffic between
him, the other astronauts and mission control.  before he re-entered the
lander, he made the enigmatic remark "good luck, mr. gorsky."

  many people at nasa thought it was a casual remark concerning some rival
soviet cosmonaut; however, upon checking, there was no gorsky in either the
russian nor american space programs.

  over the years, many people have questioned him as to what the "good luck,
mr. gorsky" statement meant.  on july 5, in tampa bay, fl, while answering
questions following a speech, a reporter brought up the 26 year old question
to armstrong.  he finally responded.  it seems that mr.  gorsky had died and
so armstrong felt he could answer the question.  when he was a kid, neil was
playing baseball with his brother in the backyard. his brother hit a fly ball
which landed in front of his neighbors' bedroom window.  the neighbors were
mr and mrs.  gorksy.  as he leaned down to pick up the ball, he heard mrs.
gorsky shouting at mr. gorsky, "oral sex?  oral sex you want?  you'll get
oral sex when the kid next door walks on the moon!"

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date:         mon, 13 nov 1995 13:08:06 -0200
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from:         jew-dae <jlring@colby.edu>
subject:      chords and such

this is directed at "jude" and anyone else who knows the chords to the more
simple ig songs...i would really like them!  i'm a beginning guitarist who
would like to add some ig songs to my knowledge...

you've gotta love the version of sf on the 1200 curfews cd...

        anxiously awaiting 9 pm on monday, november 20th,

                                         judylring

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                                                -the beatles

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date:         mon, 13 nov 1995 10:05:17 -0800
reply-to:     lucid@filoli.com
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from:         deborah luci <lucid@filoli.com>
subject:      re: indians and astronauts and cows... (sigc)nigc
x-to:         "judith k. hunter" <jhunter@rtc.gov>

if y'all want to see the "real" documentation footage there's
"moonshot" which was made by the actual astronaunts and because it
had just come out before a13 they probably didn't want to share the
real footage with hollywood, not that you can blame them, but
moonshot is out in the public domain as well...and since it's a
documentary of the experience rather than a money-making-movie it
has it's own life

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date:         mon, 13 nov 1995 10:14:11 -0800
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from:         barbara crawford <rocket@lanminds.com>
subject:      indigo girls display for sale

i have a tower records display of the indigo girls. it's 4 feet x 4 feet
and has a picture of them looking up and says indigo girls in all caps and
swamp ophelia in cursive writing. it's pretty cool. i'm selling it for $15
plus you have to come pick it up--sorry, folks, san francisco bay area
people only (i live in berkeley). it's too big to mail and would probably
get ruined in the process.

contact me at rocket@lanminds.com if interested.  :)

indigo girls rule,
barbara

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date:         mon, 13 nov 1995 10:15:53 -0800
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subject:      re: way nigc: more nasa funnies...
x-to:         "christopher m. becker" <cmbecker@space.mit.edu>

actually what he first said was : "one small step for a man one
giant leap for mankind" but the small word was lost in transmission
bewary of mistranslations as they travel through time

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date:         mon, 13 nov 1995 12:28:47 -0600
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from:         rebecca gaukroger <gaukroge@uiuc.edu>
subject:      nigc:re: abbreviations....
in-reply-to:  <9510138162.aa816282125@smtpcc.autodesk.com>

on mon, 13 nov 1995, yvette smith wrote:

>      ok, what's lol?  that's the only one i haven't gotten yet.
>      yvette
>
>
laughing out loud.  there are variations, like rofl -- rolling on the
floor laughing.
i can send you a *huge* list of these, and smilies, if you're interested.

rebecca.

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     punishment is that he sees the dawn before the rest of the world"
                                                        oscar wilde

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subject:      re: indians and astronauts and cows... (sigc)
x-to:         naz <nazman@iastate.edu>

yes, i am aware that ronald reagan actually happened - unfortunately.  what i
was referring to was that ronald reagan would tell stories at official functions
that he believed were factual and it turned out that they were from a movie he'd
seen many years ago.  he would get real life confused with old movies.

the indian scene you mentioned came from a movie and almost certainly didn't
happen.  however, it's still a good story.

rob

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subject:      sejarez

hi everyone, i had a dream two nights ago that i was a my parent's house but
no one was there (they don't live there anymore).  the floors were really
dusty so i grabbed a broom and started sweeping.  then i turned on the tv and
i heard a woman's voice.  she started talking about the mystery of the
prophet sejarez but, just as she was going to tell all, the tv turned itself
off and the dream became another...janet and i were airborne over nyc (on a
ferris wheel?) and i was amazed at how beautiful and complicated it looked
from that high.

so, i looked up sejarez in the encyclopedia and dictionary but couldn't find
anything.  can someone please tell me more about sejarez?

thanks!  rachel

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date:         mon, 13 nov 1995 13:43:30 est
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from:         "christopher m. becker" <cmbecker@space.mit.edu>
subject:      re: sejarez
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              at nov 13, 95 1:31 pm

> so, i looked up sejarez in the encyclopedia and dictionary but couldn't find
> anything.  can someone please tell me more about sejarez?

i believe amy said that she just "made it up."

                        -- chris

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subject:      watershed

hi !  wolfe video is also selling watershed for 22.98 call 1-800-get-wolfe or
http://wolfevideo.com.  good luck!

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from:         miranda detore <inxsive@u.washington.edu>
subject:      fan club merchandise
in-reply-to:  <199511122111.vaa10809@mailbox.rmplc.co.uk>

hi all.

hey, i was just wondering, since many of you are probably on the ig
mailing list for the fan club...  a while back russell carter sent out a
newsletter and order forms for ig merchandise.  well, i ordered some
stuff, sent the money and all, but haven't heard a thing.  has anyone
else had this problem?  has anyone ordered stuff and received it
already?  please e-mail me.  i'm worried i may never see my nis
t-shirts!!  :(

miranda

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from:         janice marie denny <janice@udel.edu>
subject:      re: fan club merchandise
x-to:         miranda detore <inxsive@u.washington.edu>
in-reply-to:  <pine.ptx.3.91j.951113124526.29592a-100000@carson.u.washington.edu>

i ordered stuff as well, like in the begining of october...
and i haven't gotten it either!
does anyone know of a phone number to call or something?

-jan

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from:         dianne <dianne@uci.edu>
subject:      re: watershed
x-to:         rachel rivera <mtngrl6@aol.com>
in-reply-to:  <951113135143_84029550@emout04.mail.aol.com>

for your information, best buy has watershed here for $14.98.
i also saw it at our tower records for $16.98. (southern calif)

on mon, 13 nov 1995, rachel rivera wrote:

> hi !  wolfe video is also selling watershed for 22.98 call 1-800-get-wolfe or
> http://wolfevideo.com.  good luck!
>
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                i just wanted to formly apologize for accidently sending
a post to this list that was meant for the melissa etheridge list.  i
have been having horrendous problems getting off of that list.  the
listserver says i have never subscribed to the list, yet i keep getting
messages from the melissa fans.
                i also wanted to ask how many of you have heard of the
band two nice girls that broke up?  i wanted to share my experience last
night with on of the former band members...gretchen phillips.  i sat at
the table right next to hers.  wow!  she is amazing.  it makes me wish
that the igs would go on tour so that we can all enjoy them in concert.
       wishing for more ig,
                jas/soulmate

        "i don't care, cause sometimes, i hear my voice and it's been
                        silent all these years"   -tori amos

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lol = laughing out loud.

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subject:      re[2]: sejarez

     i believe it is tjarez, or something like that (you can look in the
     llyrics on the tape or cd) but i know it starts with a t.  i don't
     remember anything about it being made up, i thought it was someone amy
     had read or something, but who knows....
     yvette


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subject: re: sejarez
author:  "christopher m. becker" <cmbecker@space.mit.edu> at smtpcc
date:    11/13/95 11:39 am


> so, i looked up sejarez in the encyclopedia and dictionary but couldn't find
> anything.  can someone please tell me more about sejarez?

i believe amy said that she just "made it up."

                        -- chris

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date:         mon, 13 nov 1995 21:34:31 -0500
reply-to:     amy staples <astaples@email.unc.edu>
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from:         amy staples <astaples@email.unc.edu>
subject:      re: watershed!!
x-to:         deborah luci <lucid@filoli.com>
in-reply-to:  <199511131607.iaa23814@sunspot.filoli.com>

i agree with avital.  ladyslipper has a good stock of videos, they had
ordered several hundred when i got mine.  their phone number is
800-634-6044.

amy

on mon, 13 nov 1995, deborah luci wrote:

> just got the video last night and _had_ to watch it a couple times
> through!  i'm
> in love!!!  anyways, i highly recoomend getting it (if you can find
> it.  there's
> like only one copy in this whole city!  it took me forever to
> finally find it)!
>
> just a note -
> avital
>
>
> for anyone else having trouble finding the video watershed try
> ladyslipper in durham nc (sorry, i'm at work and don't have the
> address with me but that's why we let the phone companies stay in
> business) they distribute tons of women's music and i'm sure they
> have more than 1 copy in stock.
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from:         mary thomas <met8074@tntech.edu>
subject:      re: re[2]: sejarez
x-to:         yvette.smith@autodesk.com

   yvette smith <yvette.smith@autodesk.com>  wrote:
>
>      i believe it is tjarez, or something like that (you can look in the
>      llyrics on the tape or cd) but i know it starts with a t.  i don't

nope. it's spelled "sejarez" in the liner notes. as i recall, sejarez doesn't
exist; s/he/it was a character in a dream of amy's.


pax,
mary 8)
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from:         water <water@mindspring.com>
subject:      viva la diva
x-to:         atlartists@aol.com

yes, all here it is.. only 4 days, count 'em 4 days... tuesday, wednesday,
thursday... and then the big day-- friday--  till the release of   **drum
roll please*** *grin**

        v i v a    l a   d i v a's     **greatest hits volume 1***

        can you take the excitement??? can you take the wait?????  how can
you not be at:::::


                the point *that's in little 5 points in atlanta, at the
interesection of moreland and euclid**        at 10 pm   on friday-- yes, i
repeat ... friday  the 17th of november...


kelly hogan opens-- re-- the jody grind, the rocketeens, jesus christ superstar

then viva la diva will play their "normal" set..   and then.. yeah== the
grand finale==

they want everyone on stage.. or re as many people as the stage will
handle....   to quote the radio interview last night-- they want more people
on stage than in the crowd....

can you handle the excitement??

       well, all thats' not it for this treat.... theres' more... re you
ask-- how is there more??? well.. all,. you, yes you-- can get a chance to
**meet** this band .. re if ya don't meet them on friday-- and get your cd,
that you purchased, signed by *all 4* memebers.. at our favorite record
store-- rainy day records-- on saturday-- at 5.00 pm  *can you take the
excitement?*

well, all that's it from my end.. agian, i've enjoyed writing this.. hehehe
i always enjoy writing these ....  *smile**

oh some important things....

vlds homepage-- at -- http://monsterbit.com/vld/vld.html
rainy day records # 1-800-636-6166

and yeah, they'll be carrying the disc :))
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    "...each step into the gray , muffling fog took us further from annapura
(1), form vera and allison.  each step brought us closer to the reality that
they were not  coming with us."
                            -arlene bloom
                                from: annapurna: a woman's place.

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subject:      re: re[2]: sejarez
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        i'm just confirming mary's post.


                                .b

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subject:      romeo & juliet

i just heard the dire straits (original) version of r&j and i'm still not sure
what i think.  any comments?  i guess the only thing i'm _sure_ about is that
amy delivers the song with a lot more power.  agreements?  disagreements?  i'd
be interested in hearing them!

toodles -
avital

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subject:      re: romeo and juliet

i have some friends who insist that the dire straits version of romeo and
juliet is better, just because it's the original, but i prefer the ig
version.  i think it has a lot more guts and does more with the melody.
not to mention the excellent guitar on it...

        anxiously awaiting 9 pm on monday, november 20th,

                     jlring@colby.edu  or  judylring

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