lifeblood: listlogs: 1995-11c


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date:         tue, 14 nov 1995 16:03:32 +1100
reply-to:     petite piquet <piquet@geko.com.au>
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from:         petite piquet <piquet@geko.com.au>
subject:      faq

just wondering folks... is the ig faq being kept up to date?  i'm just
idly curious and wondering about seeing the latest version...

oh, and on a slightly bizarre note, one of the people that i work with
couldn't remember of the band that i'm so crazy about yesterday, and
said something along the lines of "uhhh, sherlyn, what's that band you
like?  the gogo girls or something???", at which point i kind of fell
over laughing and stayed that way for a long time... :)

back to whatever i was doing... oh yeah, work.  that was it. :)
sherlyn

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date:         mon, 13 nov 1995 23:14:19 -0600
reply-to:     amanda r bakken <bakkena@stolaf.edu>
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from:         amanda r bakken <bakkena@stolaf.edu>
subject:      re: romeo & juliet
x-to:         avital livny <avital@cs.wisc.edu>
in-reply-to:  <199511140416.waa06369@chevre.cs.wisc.edu>

about romeo and juliet...
  i love the ig version with all my heart (as i love all of their music),
but i do like the dire straits version better.  while the ig version does
have more guts, the ds version somehow speaks to me more.  of course, my
preference also is affected by my mood.  somehow though, the relative
mellowness (mellowness-is this a word?) of the ds version suits me
more.
amanda

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date:         tue, 14 nov 1995 00:15:46 -0500
reply-to:     "helena c. bretherton" <mawrtyr@minerva.cis.yale.edu>
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from:         "helena c. bretherton" <mawrtyr@minerva.cis.yale.edu>
subject:      re: romeo & juliet
x-to:         avital livny <avital@cs.wisc.edu>
in-reply-to:  <199511140416.waa06369@chevre.cs.wisc.edu>

first of all, it's not dire straits who wrote and first produced romeo
and juliet, it was mark knoefler (sp?), of dire straits, who did it as a
solo project.  secondly, comparing mark knoefler's and ig's versions of
the song is like comparing apples and oranges.  the words are the same,
and the basic melody is the same, but they are both individual works --
it's obvious (to me) that ig were trying to do more than simply cover the
song, they gave it a life of its own.  don't get me wrong -- i love what
ig did with the song, but the artwork is completely different.

finally, may i mention that i think there is no singularly more insulting
and disrespectful act towards an artist that i've ever experienced at a
concert (ig, specfically) than having 17-year-old girls scream at the top
of their lungs over and over and over for ig to play romeo and juliet.
for crissakes, the girls have written enough wonderful original music of
their own, why ignore it for a cover?  i was more than pleased when a and
e refused to play that song at the concert in question (george mason
university, nov/dec 1993?)  i don't think any of the screaming girls in
the audience had 1) ever heard of mark knoefler, 2) had any idea that ig
didn't write the song, much less 3) have any clue as to how long the song
has been in existence before it ended up on rop.

i'll get off my soapbox now--this issue's been irking me for a long time.

let's respect the art and the artists...

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date:         tue, 14 nov 1995 00:18:21 -0500
reply-to:     "helena c. bretherton" <mawrtyr@minerva.cis.yale.edu>
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from:         "helena c. bretherton" <mawrtyr@minerva.cis.yale.edu>
subject:      re: romeo and juliet
x-to:         jew-dae <jlring@colby.edu>
in-reply-to:  <v01520d03accd7bbaaec2@[137.146.66.20]>

i certainly hope you aren't inferring that mark knoefler's talent as a
guitarist is less than top-rate, that you can discern between two very
different guitar styles...

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date:         tue, 14 nov 1995 00:41:13 -0500
reply-to:     chuck stevens <stevens@raptor.sccs.swarthmore.edu>
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from:         chuck stevens <stevens@raptor.sccs.swarthmore.edu>
subject:      r + j

perhaps i'm biased, since i heard the ds version first, but i like it a
lot better; amy always sounds like she's overdoing it. (bad, bad
company?) i do agree with whoever said that they're actually different
songs when they're performed differently, and i think that amy was right
to make the changes she did--it simply wouldn't work to have her singing
with the same rhythms and guitar that mark knopfler had--but, i'm sorry
to say, i just can't listen to her version. i always skip it.
then again, though i love "kid fears," i tend to prefer emily songs...

chuck stevens
dsteven1@cc.swarthmore.edu
stevens@condor.sccs.swarthmore.edu
610-690-3824

people dress and go to town,
i sit in my chair.
all my thoughts are slow and brown;
standing up or sitting down
little matters, or what gown
or what shoes i wear.

--edna st. vincent millay

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date:         tue, 14 nov 1995 00:57:52 -0500
reply-to:     elizabeth oshea <eoshea@plato.helios.nd.edu>
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from:         elizabeth oshea <eoshea@plato.helios.nd.edu>
subject:      re: romeo & juliet
x-to:         "helena c. bretherton" <mawrtyr@minerva.cis.yale.edu>
in-reply-to:  <pine.sol.3.91.951114000206.438a-100000@minerva>

i am sorry but i don't agree with what you are saying.  i don't usually
say much on the list, but i did know that a and e did not write r and j,
but when i saw them in concert i was hopong that they would play it
because i feel that it is a very powerful song.  as you said yourself,
the ig's gave it a life of its own.  therefore, they actually could play
it even though it is not an original song because they individualized it
with the chords and emotions.  this song holds many memories for me of
great high school friends, and every time i hear it i get shivers down my
spine, so to hear them play it live would just about kill me.  don't
catergorize every r and j lover as being ignorant of it true origi.
thank you...

beth

on tue, 14 nov 1995, helena c. bretherton wrote:

> first of all, it's not dire straits who wrote and first produced romeo
> and juliet, it was mark knoefler (sp?), of dire straits, who did it as a
> solo project.  secondly, comparing mark knoefler's and ig's versions of
> the song is like comparing apples and oranges.  the words are the same,
> and the basic melody is the same, but they are both individual works --
> it's obvious (to me) that ig were trying to do more than simply cover the
> song, they gave it a life of its own.  don't get me wrong -- i love what
> ig did with the song, but the artwork is completely different.
>
> finally, may i mention that i think there is no singularly more insulting
> and disrespectful act towards an artist that i've ever experienced at a
> concert (ig, specfically) than having 17-year-old girls scream at the top
> of their lungs over and over and over for ig to play romeo and juliet.
> for crissakes, the girls have written enough wonderful original music of
> their own, why ignore it for a cover?  i was more than pleased when a and
> e refused to play that song at the concert in question (george mason
> university, nov/dec 1993?)  i don't think any of the screaming girls in
> the audience had 1) ever heard of mark knoefler, 2) had any idea that ig
> didn't write the song, much less 3) have any clue as to how long the song
> has been in existence before it ended up on rop.
>
> i'll get off my soapbox now--this issue's been irking me for a long time.
>
> let's respect the art and the artists...
>
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date:         mon, 13 nov 1995 23:22:36 -0700
reply-to:     cranberry <ch002jt@arriba.nm.org>
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from:         cranberry <ch002jt@arriba.nm.org>
subject:      hi everyone!

well. i'm new here, been lurking on this list for a couple days and it
looks good. i do like the indigo girls. :) i first heard of them from
winter (erin lewy, is she around?), bought swamp ophelia after hearing
her talk about it and have since bought indigo girls, rites of passage,
and nomads indians saints. btw, there's been some talk about romeo &
juliet? i haven't heard the dire straits version, but i don't like that
song and always skip it too. the only other song i regularly skip is "1 2 3".
my favorite songs would have to be the wood song, prince of darkness,
reunion, closer to fine, galileo, jonas and ezekiel and hammer and a
nail. anyway, this list looks cool. :)

listening to swamp ophelia right now,

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date:         tue, 14 nov 1995 02:16:53 -0500
reply-to:     liane fu <lianefu@soho.ios.com>
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from:         liane fu <lianefu@soho.ios.com>
subject:      re: faq
x-to:         petite piquet <piquet@geko.com.au>
in-reply-to:  <pine.3.89.9511141534.a7191-0100000@zonk.geko.com.au>

i've never seen the faq. can someone tell me how to get it? :)

on tue, 14 nov 1995, petite piquet wrote:

> just wondering folks... is the ig faq being kept up to date?  i'm just
> idly curious and wondering about seeing the latest version...
>
> oh, and on a slightly bizarre note, one of the people that i work with
> couldn't remember of the band that i'm so crazy about yesterday, and
> said something along the lines of "uhhh, sherlyn, what's that band you
> like?  the gogo girls or something???", at which point i kind of fell
> over laughing and stayed that way for a long time... :)
>
> back to whatever i was doing... oh yeah, work.  that was it. :)
> sherlyn
>
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> "christine lavin isn't as nice as everyone thinks she is.  she's got quite
> a temper.  but it's not true!  i am nice, damn it, and i'll smack anybody
> who says i've got a temper!"            - christine lavin
>
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date:         tue, 14 nov 1995 02:56:12 -0500
reply-to:     indigosgtr@aol.com
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from:         nikki nahra <indigosgtr@aol.com>
subject:      more a+e questions

>>>emily:  why & how do you decide to use alternate tunings? (for her guitar)

>>>for both:  what's your favorite color?  not indigo, i suppose.

>>>for both (if there's time):  do you think you'll always live in atlanta?
what are some of your favorite
restaurants/shops/spots/etc.?

>>>emily:  what exactly did you mean in "make it easier" (sf) when you wrote,
"i went to sunday school on sunday, swallowed the bait, and i got the hook"?

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date:         tue, 14 nov 1995 01:50:06 -0800
reply-to:     linda joanne napikoski <napikosk@chaph.usc.edu>
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from:         linda joanne napikoski <napikosk@chaph.usc.edu>
subject:      still more tmf and r&j

i never heard romeo and juliet before i got rites of passage, and it took
me a while to read the liner notes closely enough to see that amy didn't
write it (too busy looking at all those fun pictures :) ).  however, due
to my being just the tiniest bit of an emily person at *that* time, and
kinda digging their mellower stuff most, i just did not like it. i mean,
i think i missed harmonies...i didn't like hey jesus as *much* then
either, btw...i don't know. r & j is the only ig song i ever skipped.

things change!!!!!

since going through a struggle that ended with love for tmf, there's not
a song of theirs i don't just love. i think i've reached a new level.

one day, though, about 2 years ago, i was driving and finally heard
mark's version on the radio. "wow," i said. "amy sings this song, but she
is clearly not singing the same thing."  it made me realize that amy took
something i perceived as almost cutesy and made it gutsy, something sweet
and made it raw, something confused and made it forlorn.
(btw, i liked mark's version.) now, i am waiting to hear it live (dream,
dream) and reach yet another level.

as for touch me fall, lorinda has in turn stunned me with yet another
insight, that of good ol' mr. rogers. i remember well the days of sesame
street, then mr rogers, and if i'm not mistaken, the electric company
came on right about then too. thus, they had to use electric guitars in tmf.

:)

linda, strong enough for a man but ph balanced for a woman

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date:         tue, 14 nov 1995 12:14:55 -0300
reply-to:     j.f.l.devaney@aston.ac.uk
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from:         j.f.l.devaney@aston.ac.uk
subject:      nominated band list

hi y'all,

at 'mr.might-have-been''s request, i typed out the entire list of bands
nominated for the fans' top ten. it's far too long and trivial to post to
the mailer, but if anyone would like a copy, i'll post it individually.

johnd

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date:         tue, 14 nov 1995 08:32:13 -0400
reply-to:     susan swann <sswann@pace.atl.ga.us>
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from:         susan swann <sswann@pace.atl.ga.us>
organization: pace academy
subject:      r & j

i just wanted to say that r & j, to me, is a very unique song; i never skip
it.  in fact, it is one of my favorites.  amy is a very powerful singer, and
the feeling and emotion that she sings with is amazing.  i personally like the
ig version better than ds.  that is just my opinion.


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date:         tue, 14 nov 1995 09:06:41 -0400
reply-to:     susan swann <sswann@pace.atl.ga.us>
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from:         susan swann <sswann@pace.atl.ga.us>
organization: pace academy
subject:      ig guitar chords

for anyone who plays guitar, this is a really cool site to check out.  i found
most of my guitar chords from here.  they sound pretty good, so i think they
are correct.

              http://www.umn.edu/nlhome/m161/schn0170/ig/


-susan


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date:         tue, 14 nov 1995 13:12:15 +0200
reply-to:     eugen iacob <ie10@litm.sfos.ro>
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from:         eugen iacob <ie10@litm.sfos.ro>
subject:      hello

hi! i'm iacob eugen from romania, i/m new here and i'd like to receive
mail from any kind of people!

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date:         tue, 14 nov 1995 09:35:29 -0400
reply-to:     susan swann <sswann@pace.atl.ga.us>
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from:         susan swann <sswann@pace.atl.ga.us>
organization: pace academy
subject:      hi everybody

hello everybody,
     i thought that since i just joined this mailing list, i should introduce
myself to everyone and tell you a little about what i like.  i am a huge ig
fan!  some of my favorite songs are th, r&j, ctf, kf, baf, yliutm, sf, f, etc.
i am also into some other stuff, but most of my time is spent listening to
ig.  i haven't found anything quite like them; they are amazing!  i just
started playing guitar last year, mostly because i wanted to be able to play
ig music.  that is really all that i play.  i would love to hear from any of
you other guitar people or anyone.  gotta go!

           lylabbwfsaaofnbtacfj,

                           susan

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date:         tue, 14 nov 1995 08:18:07 pst
reply-to:     yvette.smith@autodesk.com
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from:         yvette smith <yvette.smith@autodesk.com>
subject:      re[4]: sejarez
x-to:         met8074@tntech.edu

     oops, sorry.  my bad.
     yvette


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author:  met8074@tntech.edu at smtpcc
date:    11/13/95 6:58 pm


   yvette smith <yvette.smith@autodesk.com>  wrote:
>
>      i believe it is tjarez, or something like that (you can look in the
>      llyrics on the tape or cd) but i know it starts with a t.  i don't

nope. it's spelled "sejarez" in the liner notes. as i recall, sejarez doesn't
exist; s/he/it was a character in a dream of amy's.


pax,
mary 8)
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date:         tue, 14 nov 1995 16:24:52 gmt
reply-to:     mr neil hunt <ph21nh@surrey.ac.uk>
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from:         mr neil hunt <ph21nh@surrey.ac.uk>
subject:      indigo originals....

happy tuesday!!

final call for track ideas/title ideas/any other ideas for the proposed
tape, original indigos...songs written by amy and emily thay aren't on the
standard boots or epic albums...(give or take...)

the current state of the track listing...

side one...the dodgy recording side...

the untitiled song (e) -live at wrek 27/2/89
half moon cafe (e)     -live at wrek 27/2/89
make this house a home (a&mm) - haverford college, pa 10/4/87
up in smoke (e)        )
what was really me (e) )  all from university of north carolina,
peace song (e)         )      chapel hill, nc, 18/3/88
life's too strange (e) )
beauty in disaster (a) - unknown...
pretty vision (vision boy) (a) - unknown...
play it again sam (e) - 'early recordings'

side two...the better recording quality side...

tuesday's children (a) - the b band tape
*unknown title*   (e?) - mysterys play rehersal '86?
the ballard of squeaky frome (a) - wrfg june 1990
no way to treat a friend (a) - wrek 17/5/88
if you live like that (a&e) - the dugout, atlanta, '85??
draw the line (a) - the dugout '85??
holy city (a) - not sure yet...maybe blue food...
i don't know your name (a&e) - blue food
running from the cold (a) - blue food

(plus, depending on tape space and things...
high horse (e) - maybe, depending...even though it's on sf '87
other possibilities include the four covers of ig's stuff soffar...
tgwtwotwihh - eddi reader
closer to fine - the wonderstuff
fare thee well - david cosby
welcome me - joan baez......but we'll see....)

anyway, as is, we have...9 amy, 9 emily and 2 joint penned songs...
ideas for covers (otherwise it'll be cheap and nasty) distribution (other-
wise it'll be cheep and nasty i.e. me!!) and content appreciated :)

when it's all ready to go, then i'll post again with details of how to get
your very own copy...

cheers!!

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date:         tue, 14 nov 1995 08:19:54 -0800
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subject:      re: ig faq

i myself have recently inquired about the indigo girls faq and was told
by jude (list admin) to check the current faq and ask whoever is
responsible for it.  i don't have a whole lot of free time on my hands,
so i haven't followed through.

the most recent faq that i could find is dated october 1994 and can be
found on the www at: http://www.tezcat.com/~mtp/ig/html/ig-faq2c.html

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date:         tue, 14 nov 1995 09:02:29 pst
reply-to:     monique barbanson <mhb@batnet.com>
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from:         monique barbanson <mhb@batnet.com>
subject:      more a+e questions

hi jude,

thanks for relaying questions from the list to aol. i just wanted to put in
my two cents about the list of questions. i stole some questions i liked
from others. pretty much all of them are for both a&e:

* why & how do you decide to use alternate tunings?
* have you ever taken voice lessons?
* do you work on the lyrics first or the music first or both at the same
time? examples of songs they did one way or the other
* do you schedule time for writing songs before going into the studio or do
you write them along the way without a deadline and only tweak them before
going into the studio?
* how do you work on coming up with arrangements, solo parts and harmonies?
* how much time a day do you play the guitar? is this something you are
trying to keep improving?
* are you interested in playing non-guitar instruments?
* do you learn to play a lot of other people's songs when you are listening
to them? which ones have you learned recently?
* how much time did you spend putting together the watershed video? was was
your involvement in that?
* when you're writing a song and someone tells you they did not get what
you intended, do you rework the lyrics?
* where do you stand on rhyming? do you always start out trying to do it or
do you care at all?


cheers,

monique


mhb@entelechy.com

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date:         tue, 14 nov 1995 12:46:05 -0500
reply-to:     elizabeth baker <ebaker1@email.unc.edu>
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from:         elizabeth baker <ebaker1@email.unc.edu>
subject:      re: re[4]: sejarez
x-to:         yvette smith <yvette.smith@autodesk.com>
in-reply-to:  <9510148163.aa816366019@smtpcc.autodesk.com>

some dream characters are as real as anyone else- what was the
significance of it in the dream?
elizabeth

on tue, 14 nov 1995, yvette smith wrote:

>      oops, sorry.  my bad.
>      yvette
>
>
> ______________________________ reply separator _________________________________
> subject: re: re[2]: sejarez
> author:  met8074@tntech.edu at smtpcc
> date:    11/13/95 6:58 pm
>
>
>    yvette smith <yvette.smith@autodesk.com>  wrote:
> >
> >      i believe it is tjarez, or something like that (you can look in the
> >      llyrics on the tape or cd) but i know it starts with a t.  i don't
>
> nope. it's spelled "sejarez" in the liner notes. as i recall, sejarez doesn't
> exist; s/he/it was a character in a dream of amy's.
>
>
> pax,
> mary 8)
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subject:      pal version of watershed???

help!! do any uk/european readers have a line on a pal version of watershed?
as far as i know there are no definite plans for uk release (but please
correct me if i'm wrong.)
meanwhile if anyone is getting their own conversion done i'd be happy to
contribute to the cost, or trade aud/vid. i have the bbc version but would
like the complete video.


bill

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subject:      r&j and g

well, i just read through everyone's thoughts on r&j.  i think that i
like amy's version much better.  i've heard both, but i did hear amy's
first.  i think that , for me, when i hear a cover song first and then
hear the original, if i've become attatched to the cover, i like it much
better.  just thought i'd share.

i was just wondering if anyone knows the story behind ghost.  it seems
like e has been living my life because so many of her songs fit my life.
plus, when each cd comes out the songs fit my life.  very strange!  what
are your thoughts?  love to hear them!

peace-
jill

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to all of you who've loved and lost without quite knowing why.  may you
all find love again because believe me it does happen. mystery.

                "i could go crazy on a night like tonight.
                the summer's beginning to give up her fight,
                and every thoughts a possibility.  the voices
                are heard, but nothing is seen.  why do you
                spend this time with me may be an equal
                mystery."
                                ~emily sailers
                                   indigo girls

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subject:      re: ig faq
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              95 8:19 am

>
> i myself have recently inquired about the indigo girls faq and was told
> by jude (list admin) to check the current faq and ask whoever is
> responsible for it.  i don't have a whole lot of free time on my hands,
> so i haven't followed through.
>
> the most recent faq that i could find is dated october 1994 and can be
> found on the www at: http://www.tezcat.com/~mtp/ig/html/ig-faq2c.html

that is indeed the latest faq.  once upon a time about 6 months ago
marianne (kidfears; the owner of the faq and thw www page) and i were
going to put out revision 3.0.

then my thesis happened, and ... and .. and ... about 100 excuses
later (many of which involving rain to make this sound much like a
hemingway novel), we let the project slide.  that faq needs to be
updated badly.  if you would like do something about it, send marianne
email (her address is on he www page) or better yet, catch her on irc.

mind you i am not marianne.  i don't know if she'll welcome a deluge
of e-mail.  i'm simply pointing out that she is the owner and has done
lots of work on it so it would be a good idea to contact her before
someone makes a new faq. =)

                         -- chris (who hopes he covered his ass well
                                   enough with kidfears that she doesn't
                                   kick his butt =))

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date:         tue, 14 nov 1995 15:14:35 -0500
reply-to:     "helena c. bretherton" <mawrtyr@minerva.cis.yale.edu>
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from:         "helena c. bretherton" <mawrtyr@minerva.cis.yale.edu>
subject:      re: romeo & juliet, a new angle?? (fwd)

forwarded, as you requested...

---------- forwarded message ----------
date: tue, 14 nov 1995 14:27:00 gmt
from: mr neil hunt <ph21nh@surrey.ac.uk>
to: mawrtyr@minerva.cis.yale.edu
subject: re: romeo & juliet, a new angle??


happy tuesday!!

>first of all, it's not dire straits who wrote and first produced romeo
>and juliet, it was mark knoefler (sp?), of dire straits, who did it as a
>solo project.

umm...that's wrong. absolutely. mark knopfler wrote it (he write all of
dire straits stuff) but it was definately recorded by dire straits. many
times (i'm thinking it came out on making movies, but i don't much care for
the band, so i could be wrong...) it's definately on dire straits' greatest
hits, alchemy live, and whatever their last live album was called...on the
night??

anyway...if you listen to early tapes of the ig's, amy sings romeo and julietvery straight...similar to the original...i guess it's the same with any
cover version...sing it enough times, without reference to the original, and
it becomes your style...

dire straits is tender emotion...
amy ray is passionate emotion...

and they both work beautifully, although they're so different i find people
prefer the version they heard first and are used to...in general...

and that's basically it.(the closing words to which 70's album pop pickers??)

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  |      |  wey 2/06             he says he's only human.
  |      |   surrey court         so he spends the night with old flames,
  | (o)(o)    university of surrey as if to try to prove it...
  c      _)  guildford              and he doesn't like emotions,
  |   __|   surrey                   he's not certain of their ardour.
  |   /    gu2 5xh                    cause if partying carries so much fun,
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subject:      re: romeo & juliet
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being a huge dire staits fan, i love that version, but amy's just rocks!  i
think it's all in the differences in their styles.  dire staits has never
been known as an energetic, powerful band, but rather subdued and calm--just
the opposite of amy.  i guess it all depends on which style you like...
stephen

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date:         tue, 14 nov 1995 13:45:49 edt
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subject:      r & j and covers

i just wanted to put a plug in for amy's version of r & j.  that is
a wonderful version.  i just love it.  she puts so much into it.  i too
want to hear it live some day :)

as for covers in general.  i don't feel that it is disrespectful to do
a nice rendition of an artists song.  i think that it must be kind of
flattering for the artist to find that someone else is able to make
an inspirational version of their song.  i have seen that many
times with bob dylan.  some of my favorite versions of his songs
are done by other artists.  how about tangled up in blue or all
along the watchtower?  not that i don't also like the original
versions.

- - howdy (howard.barlow@cdo.ssi1.com)

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date:         tue, 14 nov 1995 16:08:42 -0600
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subject:      lifeblood

i was watching watershed and heard emily making fun of herself and the song
lifeblood.  i actually thought it was a pretty good one, thought i only heard
a tiny bit of it.  does anyone out there know more about it or where i could
snag a copy of the entire song.  any help would be much appreciated!

thanks much -
avital

p.s.  i'm _so_ glad my r&j topic sparked up so much.  i think it's fantastic
how many different ideas poeple have of ig. just a thought.

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from:         mr neil hunt <ph21nh@surrey.ac.uk>
subject:      re: indigo originals....
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  |      |  wey 2/06             he says he's only human.
  |      |   surrey court         so he spends the night with old flames,
  | (o)(o)    university of surrey as if to try to prove it...
  c      _)  guildford              and he doesn't like emotions,
  |   __|   surrey                   he's not certain of their ardour.
  |   /    gu2 5xh                    cause if partying carries so much fun,
/____\   england                      then breaking hearts is harder...'
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from:         fiona sanderson <fionas@rmplc.co.uk>
subject:      weakness in me chords

hi there, here are some chords for the people who mailed and asked,
sorry, no more time so you'll have to write out the other verses from
hearing the song!

btw, cadd9 is played 032333

anyone got chords for back together again?


weakness in me

g                                            d
im not the sort of person who falls
em                            cadd9
in and quickly out of love
          g                     d                                  c     g
but to you i gave my affection right from the start


g                           d
i have a lover who loves me
em                                 cadd9
how could i break such a heart?
          g                          d         cadd9
yet still you gained my attention

g                           em
why do you come here
                cadd9
when you know ive got trouble enough?
g                      em
why do you call me
cadd9                                             g
when you know i cant answer the phone,

               d                          c
make me lie when i dont want to
                               d
and make someone else some kind of an unknowing fool?
g                      d                        c
you make me stay when i should not,
                      d                                                 g
are you so strong or is all the weakness in me?
                                em
why do you come here
         cadd9                             g
and pretend to be just passing by,

                         d  c      d   g
but i mean to see you
                           d   c   d
and i mean to hold you
g     d   g
tight - ly


add other verses

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from:         matthew j smith <mts5@aber.ac.uk>
subject:      re: lifeblood
x-to:         avital@cs.wisc.edu

write to carolyn (who runs the lifeblood web page) at underdog@onramp.net.
she can provide you with a 100-minute tape of that original indigo girls
6-track ep plus the original strange fire some other stuff as well.

lifeblood site is http://www.hidwater.com/lifeblood.

mat
mts5@aber.ac.uk

>i was watching watershed and heard emily making fun of herself and the song
>lifeblood.  i actually thought it was a pretty good one, thought i only heard
>a tiny bit of it.  does anyone out there know more about it or where i could
>snag a copy of the entire song.  any help would be much appreciated!
>
>thanks much -
>avital
>
>p.s.  i'm _so_ glad my r&j topic sparked up so much.  i think it's fantastic
>how many different ideas poeple have of ig. just a thought.
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reply-to:     lorinda wright <lw01@lehigh.edu>
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from:         lorinda wright <lw01@lehigh.edu>
subject:      you're all walking

ok, i have to share a little story with y'all. i've already posted about the
trip yen, bert, and i took to see kelly hogan, bfe, and smoke. i didn't tell
you about the drive into the city. there were 4 of us. dan was there too, but
he's not on the list, so you don't know him. we started out and we were
listening to tangled up in blue, dylan's version. bert claimed he liked
dylan's version better than ig. i decreed that bert should get out of the car
and walk. later, dan admitted that he wasn't much of an ig fan, and he said
something rather unflattering about the style of music in general (something
to that effect.) i decreed that dan should get out and walk. later, yen
admitted that she wasn't overly fond of one of amy's songs. (was it r&j? i
don't remember). i decreed that yen should get out and walk. in short, i was
the only one driving.

now, having said that, all you folks who think knopfler's version of r&j is
better...you're walking too. i'm shocked. i think i'll have to go home and
take an aspirin and lie down. just the thought of someone not swooning with
pleasure at the opening chords of amy's rendition of r&j just gives me the
willies. you're walking, i say!

driving,
lorindigo
*who is going to have to go get something to eat now that everyone thinks
she's a complete lunatic*

    i           will            not        be               complacent
lorinda wright           "learn to pretend there's more than love that
lw01@lehigh.edu           matters. -e.s.
lehigh university         "the apathy of time laughs in my face
bethlehem, pa             you say each life has its place. -e.s.
    i           will            not         be              complacent

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date:         tue, 14 nov 1995 14:48:47 -0700
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from:         "teresa c. esguerra" <sac83826@saclink1.csus.edu>
subject:      emily the technician
x-to:         rob sticka <rob_sticka@ccmail.gsfc.nasa.gov>
in-reply-to:  <9510138162.aa816277531@ccmail.gsfc.nasa.gov>

on mon, 13 nov 1995, rob sticka wrote:

> emily is not a technician.  her talent (and amy's) is creativity.  the way they
> combine the two guitars and vocals is creative.  they also have strong
> songwriting skills.

        long time no post.  ugghhh...hate school...all students arise and
hate school collectively.  whoops, guess that's been done.

        actually rob, i'd have to agree and disagree with you.  imho
(abbreviation just learned), emily is very technically skilled.  you
could individually pick out single strings as easily as she does if one
is not technically skilled.  i find emily songs (virginia woolf, love's
recovery, the beginning of least complicated, and esp. ghost) to be very
challenging technique wise.

        but where i agree with you is that both a and e are songwriters
first and everything follows.  that's were there real strength lies and
emily and amy could have all teh technical ability in the world and still
fall flat if the songwriting wasn't there.  so thank you for pointing
that out.

        however, it would be nice if i had both songwriting skills and
technical skills as well...

aaaaarrrrrrggggggghhhhhh!!!!!
teri

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date:         tue, 14 nov 1995 14:55:55 -0700
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from:         "teresa c. esguerra" <sac83826@saclink1.csus.edu>
subject:      scooby (nigc) (fwd)

a friend of mine from santa cruz sent this to me and i just wanted to
send it to the list for a laugh.  sorry if anyone's offended, but for the
record, let me state that  a) i don't smoke pot  and  b) i'm gay and
wasn't offended by any of this.
c)  this is incredibly inpolitcally correct  and d)  i laughed my ass off...

        just read it if you're feeling lighthearted, a little goofy, and
a lot vulgar...

peace - teri

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from: christina theresa johnson <longfelo@cats.ucsc.edu>
to: sac83826@saclink1.csus.edu
subject: scooby


hey chicky-baby----enjoy!!!


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>
>   everyone remembers the cartoon show scooby-doo from their early
>   childhood, right? but something you may not remember is what the show
>   was really all about. as i've gotten older, it has become more clear
>   to me what fred, shaggy, daphne, velma, and scooby were actually doing
>   as they traversed the continent foiling crimes of all sorts in the
>   mystery machine.
>
>      what we remember:
>
>   four teenagers and their trusted dog gallop across the country in
>   their purple and green van solving mysteries of all sort--and in the
>   process meet all kinds of interesting people.
>
>      the truth:
>
>   four high-school dropouts and their sentient dog ride around the
>   country in their psychodelic love machine, earning their way by
>   selling drugs. oh, and they occasionally take some old guys mask off
>   to solve a mystery.
>
>   it may be a little hard to swallow, but just take a look at the
>   evidence...
>
>   take shaggy for example. not only is he the inspiration for the
>   current 'grunge' scene, with his sloppy dress and facial hair, but
>   shaggy is obviously a 'burner', i.e., he smokes marijuana. why do you
>   think he is constantly hungry? shaggy can make a six foot hoagie and
>   swallow it whole.
>
>   and then there is scooby himself. while dogs do not generally smoke
>   joints, scooby gets his 'high' from scooby-snacks, which are in fact
>   hash-brownies. whenever scooby, or shaggy for that matter, eats a
>   scooby-snack, they go ape! it just blows their mind and they do
>   whatever they are told, because they are so lit! scooby is also hungry
>   all the time.
>
>   the other characters do not actively take part in the stoner-fest that
>   shaggy and scooby do, but they do condone the selling of it because it
>   helps support their jaunts across the country (and the world--they
>   drove to china once). these other characters do have their own
>   peculiarities however..
>
>   fred and daphne are always splintering off from the group to go 'solve
>   the case' by themselves. it's no real mystery what these two are
>   really doing--they're getting busy in the back of the mystery machine.
>   daphne with her pretty pink, well, legs and fred are constantly
>   bumping uglies. fred is, by the way, pumped up on steroids. one thing
>   that remains a mystery to me though, is why he always wore that stupid
>   scarf around his neck.
>
>   and what about velma? everyone's least favorite of the cast, was of
>   course, a lesbian. but, as it turned out in the later episodes, she
>   was also into beastiality. where do you thing scrappy-doo came from?
>   scrappy, who was a dog yet spoke perfect english, was obviously a
>   product of velma and scooby.
>
>   so the kids spent their teenage years driving around the world,
>   slangin' dope, shooting steroids, eating hash brownies, and fucking
>   their dog, while all the while looking for the perfect 'hit'.
>
>   if we had only known these things when we watched this cartoon as
>   children...
>


p.s. why haven't you written me? :(
p.s.s.  how was the beat gig?
p.s.s.s  i have new phone#s:  home--- 408-423-6180  donot call after 10pm
(fucked up housemate rules--bleck!!!)
pager-- 408-427-5660  when entering your phone #, exclude the 916 prefix,
leaving 3 spaces for my special code use.  that is, if it is an
emergency, enter 999, if you are just paging to say hi and brighten my
day, 111.  sliding scale of 1-9 depending on the urgencie for me to
return your call.  got it? good.  tell randal too!
hey-- i need to know your favorit #, anywhere from 0-99.
later maynerd
love
chris womyn

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date:         wed, 15 nov 1995 10:08:27 +1100
reply-to:     petite piquet <piquet@geko.com.au>
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on tue, 14 nov 1995, lorinda wright wrote:

> driving,
> lorindigo
> *who is going to have to go get something to eat now that everyone thinks
> she's a complete lunatic*

lorindigo... gosh, i hope you weren't waiting or anything... i mean,
you could have been eating *months and months* ago!

*grin*
eating, drinking, and still buzzing from seeing sarah mclachlans and
the chieftains last night... yaaaaaaay... yaaaaaaaay....
*bouncebouncebounce*
sherlyn

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date:         tue, 14 nov 1995 19:41:00 pst
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from:         "ryan, erica" <eryan@post.slc.edu>
subject:      questions for aol

i was thinking,

i'd really like to know if amy and emily get/keep the things that fans give
to them at shows, or give to jimmy to give to them.  you know?  i've done so
before, and wonder what they think of that sort of thing.  if they like it,
if they feel strange recieving gifts from strangers, even though i hear
their gift every day.  hmm...
how bout it for the aol live on thursday???
did anyone make a final question list or anything, from everyone's
suggestions, i mean?

aren't we precious inside?
erica

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my thoughts exactly!

on tue, 14 nov 1995, lorinda wright wrote:

> ok, i have to share a little story with y'all. i've already posted about the
> trip yen, bert, and i took to see kelly hogan, bfe, and smoke. i didn't tell
> you about the drive into the city. there were 4 of us. dan was there too, but
> he's not on the list, so you don't know him. we started out and we were
> listening to tangled up in blue, dylan's version. bert claimed he liked
> dylan's version better than ig. i decreed that bert should get out of the car
> and walk. later, dan admitted that he wasn't much of an ig fan, and he said
> something rather unflattering about the style of music in general (something
> to that effect.) i decreed that dan should get out and walk. later, yen
> admitted that she wasn't overly fond of one of amy's songs. (was it r&j? i
> don't remember). i decreed that yen should get out and walk. in short, i was
> the only one driving.
>
> now, having said that, all you folks who think knopfler's version of r&j is
> better...you're walking too. i'm shocked. i think i'll have to go home and
> take an aspirin and lie down. just the thought of someone not swooning with
> pleasure at the opening chords of amy's rendition of r&j just gives me the
> willies. you're walking, i say!
>
> driving,
> lorindigo
> *who is going to have to go get something to eat now that everyone thinks
> she's a complete lunatic*
>
>     i           will            not        be               complacent
>  lorinda wright           "learn to pretend there's more than love that
>  lw01@lehigh.edu           matters. -e.s.
>  lehigh university         "the apathy of time laughs in my face
>  bethlehem, pa             you say each life has its place. -e.s.
>     i           will            not         be              complacent
>
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subject:      sejarez mystery solved...

i know the story behind sejarez...

one night, amy was staying with some friends in santa monica,
california.  amy kept saying something in her sleep.  the next
morning, when her hosts told her she was talking in her sleep, amy
asked what they heard her say.  the friends replied "sejarez."  why
amy wrote that word into "world falls" is beyond

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on tue, 14 nov 1995, mr rodney s wicker <rucr57a@prodigy.com> wrote:
>i know the story behind sejarez...
>amy was staying with some friends...kept saying something in her sleep....
>...her hosts told her she was talking in her sleep, amy
>asked what they heard her say.  the friends replied "sejarez."

isn't sejarez wayne's (wayne's world) native american friend??? ;)

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from:         elizabeth elkins <natofno@aol.com>
subject:      nigc- atlanta band alastor

hey. i have been lurking for a couple of days and thought i would write in
and tell everybody (selfishly, i guess) about my band alastor. i opened for
the indigo girls at emory this april. we are now recording our new album
"across the south" at dede vogt's sound and fury studio.

please check out our web page at
http://userwww.service.emory.edu/~hmayes/alastor.html

we need support! please email me at eelkins@emory.edu if you'd like more
info!
thanks so much,
elizabeth

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on tue, 14 nov 1995, jillbert wrote:

> i was just wondering if anyone knows the story behind ghost.  it seems
> like e has been living my life because so many of her songs fit my life.
> plus, when each cd comes out the songs fit my life.  very strange!  what
> are your thoughts?  love to hear them!

huh. and i thought it strange when "dead man's hill" fit almost perfectly
a traumatic experience i had a few months ago. "standing underneath the
night, fighting back with all my might... this is what i know of shame,
forever" funny 'cause that's exactly how i felt at the time. and i didn't
write it down, didn't take a picture, but talked to someone face to face
when everything came apart.

cran

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from:         mark chong <mkchong@ucdavis.edu>
subject:      re: emily the technician
x-to:         "teresa c. esguerra" <sac83826@saclink1.csus.edu>
in-reply-to:  <pine.3.89.9511141418.a27668-0100000@saclink1.csus.edu>

right on rob and teri!!!

they are both great with putting creativity first, but i disagree that
emily is a better song writer of the two.  amy is better at arranging and
creating a consistent general feeling with a song.  they are great in
supporting the id, being as cerebral as they are.  emily's songs require
no thought to attain, it's been thought out for you...  all you have to
do is absorb.  she is a better guitarist, but that doesn't make you a
better writer.

        glad to intrude, (hi teresa!)
                randall johnson
on tue, 14 nov 1995, teresa c. esguerra wrote:

> on mon, 13 nov 1995, rob sticka wrote:
>
> > emily is not a technician.  her talent (and amy's) is creativity.  the way they
> > combine the two guitars and vocals is creative.  they also have strong
> > songwriting skills.
>
>         long time no post.  ugghhh...hate school...all students arise and
> hate school collectively.  whoops, guess that's been done.
>
>         actually rob, i'd have to agree and disagree with you.  imho
> (abbreviation just learned), emily is very technically skilled.  you
> could individually pick out single strings as easily as she does if one
> is not technically skilled.  i find emily songs (virginia woolf, love's
> recovery, the beginning of least complicated, and esp. ghost) to be very
> challenging technique wise.
>
>         but where i agree with you is that both a and e are songwriters
> first and everything follows.  that's were there real strength lies and
> emily and amy could have all teh technical ability in the world and still
> fall flat if the songwriting wasn't there.  so thank you for pointing
> that out.
>
>         however, it would be nice if i had both songwriting skills and
> technical skills as well...
>
> aaaaarrrrrrggggggghhhhhh!!!!!
> teri
>
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date:         wed, 15 nov 1995 09:34:00 -0500
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from:         "kevin j. mitchell" <kmitchel@cs.utk.edu>
subject:      the disney special:  help!!

  could someone please help me with the times for the disney special.
i know it has been posted time and time again, but i need to know if it
will be on again.  i gave a blank tape to a friend with the disney channel
and i told them it would be airing on these dates:

                        october 15-9:00 pm
                        october 27-10:30 pm & 5:05 am

                        november 14-10:30 pm
                        november 16-9:30 pm
             (these were the original dates posted to the list)

  well my "taper" missed the october dates, and then went to tape it last
night.  today i learned that "to kill a mockingbird" was on.  i am down
to one date left (i hope).  can someone tell me, with a good degree of
certainty, if and when the indigo girls are on the disney channel so i can
get this thing taped.

thank you,
kevin mitchell
(he who owns no tv guide)

e-mail: kmitchel@cs.utk.edu

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date:         wed, 15 nov 1995 09:31:32 -30000
reply-to:     "judith k. hunter" <jhunter@rtc.gov>
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from:         "judith k. hunter" <jhunter@rtc.gov>
subject:      ig questions-final cut!!

ok, here's the final cut of questions i will upload when a&e are guests of
aol.  if anyone has any changes/additions (please remember i have to type
each one.  keep it to 2 lines if possible:) fire away!

jude =)

first of all, i'd like to submit a general greeting to the indigo girls (hey,
y'all) from all of the listmembers on indigo+girls@netspace.org (approx. 700
*big fans*).  we just want you to know that there are a lot of people in
cyberspace who really support you and your music and, as one of the members
put it so aptly, "we just want to say thankx for being so honest...it's
helped a lot of people understand themselves and each other...rock on."

1. would you consider performing at a small college as opposed to some of the
larger venues across the u.s.  if so, how could it be arranged?

2. one of our listmembers attended laurel ridge elem. school. was this school
your alma mater and, if so, do you keep in contact with any of the teachers
there?

3. how many songs do you record for a cd? how many "leftovers" do you have?
any chance we will get to hear these unreleased ones?

4. what kind of style, basic or more elaborate arrangement, do you favor for
your next studio album?

5. in your last tour, you were given a tape of ig songs as performed by
listmembers called indicated ii.  have you listened to the tape?  if so, what
do you think of it?  <smile> it was a labor of love!

6. what would your life be like if you'd never been given a guitar?
7. have either of you written a song that the other dislikes?

8. in regard to 1200 curfews (great cd!), how many songs were originally
considered before deciding on the final 27?

9. amy, some listmembers have been trying to analyze and understand a certain
line from jonas and ezekial++what does "white chain rope fear be still my
dear" mean to you?

10. how's the "vacation" going?  do you miss the curfews?  do you have any
plans for the newport folk festival 1996?  do you think it will rain?  :)

11. do you ever keep any of the "gifts" bestowed on you by fans? what was the
most unusual gift you have received?

12. how much time each day do you play guitar? why and how do you decide to
use alternate tunings?

13. were you directly involved in putting together the watershed video?  did
you decide which footage to use, what the actual package would look like?

14. where do you stand on rhyming?  how important is it to
your+  h) 0*0*0*w w  + satisfaction with a song?

15. do you have any plans to re+release any of your early recordings
(tuesday's children as the b+band, blue food, and amy's color me grey)?

personal questions:

for both: what's your fave color(s)?  do you'all think atlanta will always be
your home? what are some of your fave shops, restaurants in atlanta?

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date:         wed, 15 nov 1995 09:51:25 -0600
reply-to:     keller jennifer l <jlk299s@nic.smsu.edu>
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from:         keller jennifer l <jlk299s@nic.smsu.edu>
subject:      re: the disney special: help!!
x-to:         "kevin j. mitchell" <kmitchel@cs.utk.edu>
in-reply-to:  <199511151434.jaa19761@duncan.cs.utk.edu>

kevin (and whoever else wants to know),
the disney special is supposed to be on tomorrow night (11/16) at 9:30
pacific/eastern time.  the 14th was wrong - i don't know where somebody
got that info, but the correct date was the 4th (not that it helps you
now).  but don't worry - it will be on tomorrow (barring the end of the
world or some other comparable disaster).  good luck!
jenn
jlk299s@nic.smsu.edu

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from:         chickensoprano <creechal@cc.emu.edu>
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subject:      re: emily the technician

does it really matter who we think is the better songwriter?  i don't
care who wrote it, when they sing and play it is when the majic
happens!

anna

***********
"bach gave us god's word, mozart gave us god's laughter,
beethoven gave us god's fire, god gave us music that we
might pray without words."  - from a german opera house

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subject:      it's christmas time...(nigc)

hey :)

well, i'll be over in the states this christmas (flipping between east lansing,
mi and lancaster, pa and hitting nyc at some point if anyone cares...)

i'm thinking of hitting the rdr new years bash (and maybe my ignorance of the
vastness of america is going to let me down here...driving from pa to ga is
how far?? like, prolly farther than here to scotland, which is considered a
very long way indeed...)

so, with the remoteness of possibility in mind...if this works, we'll need
somewhere to crash. and so i'm just putting out feelers as to the possibilities
for this...anyone??

and any other ideas of cool things to do in any of the above places...

cheers!!

@}--,-'----

  |\/\/\/| neil hunt :)        'alan doesn't understand her,
  |      |  wey 2/06             he says he's only human.
  |      |   surrey court         so he spends the night with old flames,
  | (o)(o)    university of surrey as if to try to prove it...
  c      _)  guildford              and he doesn't like emotions,
  |   __|   surrey                   he's not certain of their ardour.
  |   /    gu2 5xh                    cause if partying carries so much fun,
/____\   england                      then breaking hearts is harder...'
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from:         lisa grandjean <lisag@charity.trinityvt.edu>
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subject:      re: it's christmas time...(nigc)
x-to:         mr neil hunt <ph21nh@surrey.ac.uk>, ph21nh@surrey.ac.uk

neil,
    depending where you're leaving from, it's going to take you
anwhere's from 10-14 hours driving at 65mph. if you could wait about
a week, i could mail you directions. i've got a mapping program on my
computer if you're interested. it will print out the map as well as
the directions. i just will need  to know exactly where you will be
leaving from (an address) and exactly where your destination will be.
i could then mail you the info(or possibly fax it from my computer to
yours if need be.
                                                lisa

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from:         mark chong <mkchong@ucdavis.edu>
subject:      re: the disney special: help!!
x-to:         "kevin j. mitchell" <kmitchel@cs.utk.edu>
in-reply-to:  <199511151434.jaa19761@duncan.cs.utk.edu>

well, i'm a bit confused about when you might be asking about the date
for the disney show, but to my knowledge it has already passed.  now
whether or not they will show it at other odd times or not is beyond me.
but don't fret now!!!  i happen to know that our very own teresa esguerra
happened to record it, i've watched it in her home.  i would gladly
suggest that you bug her until she caves and makes you a copy.  i suggest
bugging teresa at all times!!!!!  ... for any reason. go ahead!

        zeroes and ones will take us there,
                randall johnson (ponyboy)
on wed, 15
nov 1995, kevin j. mitchell wrote:

>   could someone please help me with the times for the disney special.
> i know it has been posted time and time again, but i need to know if it
> will be on again.  i gave a blank tape to a friend with the disney channel
> and i told them it would be airing on these dates:
>
>                         october 15-9:00 pm
>                         october 27-10:30 pm & 5:05 am
>
>                         november 14-10:30 pm
>                         november 16-9:30 pm
>              (these were the original dates posted to the list)
>
>   well my "taper" missed the october dates, and then went to tape it last
> night.  today i learned that "to kill a mockingbird" was on.  i am down
> to one date left (i hope).  can someone tell me, with a good degree of
> certainty, if and when the indigo girls are on the disney channel so i can
> get this thing taped.
>
> thank you,
>  kevin mitchell
>  (he who owns no tv guide)
>
> e-mail: kmitchel@cs.utk.edu
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date:         wed, 15 nov 1995 11:22:43 -0800
reply-to:     mark chong <mkchong@ucdavis.edu>
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from:         mark chong <mkchong@ucdavis.edu>
subject:      re: the disney special: help!!
x-to:         keller jennifer l <jlk299s@nic.smsu.edu>
in-reply-to:  <pine.3.89.9511150927.a95920-0100000@nic.smsu.edu>

gosh i feel like an idiot.  i should have read on!  (i thought the time
had already passed for that.)
ponyboy
on wed, 15 nov 1995, keller jennifer l wrote:

> kevin (and whoever else wants to know),
> the disney special is supposed to be on tomorrow night (11/16) at 9:30
> pacific/eastern time.  the 14th was wrong - i don't know where somebody
> got that info, but the correct date was the 4th (not that it helps you
> now).  but don't worry - it will be on tomorrow (barring the end of the
> world or some other comparable disaster).  good luck!
> jenn
> jlk299s@nic.smsu.edu
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date:         wed, 15 nov 1995 15:31:55 -0400
reply-to:     susan swann <sswann@pace.atl.ga.us>
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from:         susan swann <sswann@pace.atl.ga.us>
organization: pace academy
subject:      fwd: my abbreviations

this is a message to all of you who were curious about my closing
abbreviations.  i hope this answers any questions.  the abbreviation that i
used was lylabbwfsaaofnbtacfj.  i sent this letter to jessie, who was
questioning the meaning of my abbreviation.  read it if you want.


jessie,
     hey, what's up?  i just had to respond to your message about my
abbreviation.  i have been getting a lot of mail because of that; people are
so curious about what i am thinking.  i know you see a lot of that stuff in
old yearbooks, and really, my abbreviation does come from my high school
inside jokes but has nothing to do with a closing to a letter or to a yearbook
note.  it is a statement, something that i want people to think about.  people
who know me have worked hard to pry inside my mind.  you see, i am kind of
like a mystery.  if you want to know me, you have to be curious and reach
through my surface.  i don't put up a mask; don't get me wrong.  i personally
think i am a very real person, but i like it when people show interest and try
to figure me out.  think about my abbreviation; try to figure it out.  if you
do, great, but if you don't, that's cool too.  i don't expect anyone to be
able to get it.  i have many more secrets in my vocabulary, so you might be
seeing more stuff like this.  as for old yearbook signings, i'll give you some
of those.  you might be thinking about lylas (love you like a sister.)  if you
have any more that you just can't get, send them to me.  i am still in high
school; i might know some of them, but then again, these people could be like
me.  they could be codes for you to figure out.  think about the inner person;
it helps a lot.  i received a response from someone saying that my message was
"hilarious."  maybe a point has gotten across that abbreviations are extremely
overused.  i don't know.  maybe my whole way of thinking is wrong.  people
need to be more honest and open with each other; i admit that, but these days,
who can you trust?  who is sincere?  when people prove these things to me, i
let them inside.  i hope this answers your question.  thanks for writing me; i
would love to hear from you again.  i have to go now; remember, i'm still in
high school.  i have class.  oh, and how old are you?  please write me back.
                                                           dwabmdlbwast,
                                                                        susan

p.s. chukka has left and gone away.


***************************************************************
-we've got to learn to respect what we don't understand.
                             amy ray
***************************************************************
     raw
cold ice.
metal.
point, pushing further
down into me.
bloody flesh.
the eyes of innocence,
penetrating.
red, darker.
noble color
smearing rememberance.
stains.
waterfall, crashing.
a noisy cleansing,
red.
              -me


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date:         wed, 15 nov 1995 15:55:39 -0500
reply-to:     karra l mcleroy <kmcleroy@umich.edu>
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from:         karra l mcleroy <kmcleroy@umich.edu>
subject:      nigc/nmec - boots in ann arbor?
x-cc:         mlether@vm1.mcgill.ca

hey everyone!
     i should be overwhelmed with 1200 curfews and your little secret,
but now i want to blow the little money i have left on some boots.  does
anyone know a good store in this area, or anywhere in the state?  i've
tried schoolkids, borders, tower, and wherehouse, but there wasn't much
there.  any suggestions would be very much appreciated.  thanks!!

karra \ kmcleroy@umich.edu \ university of michigan office of major events
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date:         wed, 15 nov 1995 13:49:02 -0800
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from:         dianne <dianne@uci.edu>
subject:      re: nigc/nmec - boots in ann arbor?
x-to:         karra l mcleroy <kmcleroy@umich.edu>
in-reply-to:  <pine.sol.3.91.951115154928.23335a-100000@galaga.rs.itd.umich.edu>

karra -- try "best buy"... here in southern calif they seem to carry
plenty of cool boots for mle, igs, and a few others too! i betcha your's
are similar?

on wed, 15 nov 1995, karra l mcleroy wrote:

> hey everyone!
>      i should be overwhelmed with 1200 curfews and your little secret,
> but now i want to blow the little money i have left on some boots.  does
> anyone know a good store in this area, or anywhere in the state?  i've
> tried schoolkids, borders, tower, and wherehouse, but there wasn't much
> there.  any suggestions would be very much appreciated.  thanks!!
>
>
>
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> *****************************************************************************
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date:         wed, 15 nov 1995 17:34:16 -0500
reply-to:     amanda m leff <amanda.leff@yale.edu>
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from:         amanda m leff <amanda.leff@yale.edu>
subject:      nicg: melissa's new album
in-reply-to:  <pine.sol.3.91.951115111622.7185c-100000@boris.ucdavis.edu>

i just bought me's new album "your little secret" and have been listening
to it nonstop (even in my sleep). if anyone else has heard it yet (being
the obsessed fan that i am, i bought it the morning it came out, so i
realize that many people may not have gotten their hands on it), and
would like to discuss it, please write to me!!!

amanda

p.s. for those of you who have heard it: "an usual kiss" and "shriner's
park" send me into fits of ecstasy. sigh-o-joy...

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date:         wed, 15 nov 1995 18:18:22 -0500
reply-to:     jillbert <gmhunger@mailbox.syr.edu>
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from:         jillbert <gmhunger@mailbox.syr.edu>
subject:      re: ig questions-final cut!
x-to:         "judith k. hunter" <jhunter@rtc.gov>
in-reply-to:  <vines.r0w7+qfteka@rtcdc101.rtc.gov>

judith-

for those of us who can't get on aol is there any way that we can find
out the answers to these questions and what went on?  i"m really
interested.  also, when exactuly is this happening again?  thanks for
putting up with my little questions...

peace,
jill

on wed, 15 nov 1995, judith k. hunter
wrote:

> ok, here's the final cut of questions i will upload when a&e are guests of
> aol.  if anyone has any changes/additions (please remember i have to type
> each one.  keep it to 2 lines if possible:) fire away!

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date:         wed, 15 nov 1995 19:51:20 -0500
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from:         "lisa a. ross" <rustyr@delphi.com>
subject:      collector's cd

first:    maybe i'm way behind everyone else here, but i found a collector's cd of
"indigo girls" the other day.  it's 24kt gold with the cd booklet folding out
into a mini-poster of the cover photo.  i landed on it for $30.  i'll never
play it, but . . . .  anyone else seen this one?  are any of their other cds
going to be done this way?

second:  i went to ftp.uwp.edu and tried to d/l a bunch of picture in the jpg
format.  no reader that i've tried (cview, winjpeg, cshow, and a couple of
others) recognizes these files.  all say they are not jpeg format.  has anyone
else run into this problem with these files?  am i doing something wrong?  i'm
foaming at the mouth and whacking my head on my desk because i can't access
the picture of amy.  in the name of go-heads/intimate stranger/chickenperson/
etc. unity, help!
rustyr
defining the phrase "conniption fit"

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date:         wed, 15 nov 1995 17:10:13 -0700
reply-to:     "teresa c. esguerra" <sac83826@saclink1.csus.edu>
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from:         "teresa c. esguerra" <sac83826@saclink1.csus.edu>
subject:      re: emily the technician
x-to:         mark chong <mkchong@ucdavis.edu>
in-reply-to:  <pine.sol.3.91.951114224508.15715a-100000@rocky.ucdavis.edu>

        for all those on the list who are confused, mark chong aka
randall johnson aka ponyboy is really truly the devil with nothing
relevant to say other to torment me....uhh...by the way...we're
collectively mental splooge aka there's the city aka untitled ...but
you're mama seems to be the basic working theme.

        so before you all start listening to ponydevil...i must catch
him in his sly attempts to avenge me due to the insensitivity of my
nature concerning a call last night....yes, bring personal matters to the
list considering that i was pretty insensitive.

on tue, 14 nov 1995, mark chong wrote:

> they are both great with putting creativity first, but i disagree that
> emily is a better song writer of the two.  amy is better at arranging and

> do is absorb.  she is a better guitarist, but that doesn't make you a
> better writer.

>       glad to intrude, (hi teresa!)
>               randall johnson


        check below ponyboy, never said emily to be the stronger of the
two, so ****zerbert**** with an extra ****belch!****

> on tue, 14 nov 1995, teresa c. esguerra wrote:

> >         but where i agree with you is that both a and e are songwriters
> > first and everything follows.  that's were there real strength lies and
> > emily and amy could have all teh technical ability in the world and still
> > fall flat if the songwriting wasn't there.  so thank you for pointing
> > that out.

        hahahahaha........bite me the next time i'm over at your place.
actually pay for my bus fare and then have me wash you dishes and then
bite me....no really...do it you sex fiend!!!!!!!!!!!


to the folks on the list:  we really are harmless...honest!

peace and hair grease,
teri

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reply-to:     jack mitchell <jamitch3@vt.edu>
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from:         jack mitchell <jamitch3@vt.edu>
subject:      re: jpegs
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>second:  i went to ftp.uwp.edu and tried to d/l a bunch of picture in the jpg
>format.  no reader that i've tried (cview, winjpeg, cshow, and a couple of
>others) recognizes these files.  all say they are not jpeg format.  has anyone
>else run into this problem with these files?  am i doing something wrong?

no, you're probably not doing anything wrong.  there are a number of
slightly different versions of the jpeg format, and i have run into the same
problem with getting some viewers to recognize certain jpegs.  the best
program that i have found is lview pro.  if you have world wide web access,
you can get it from the virtual software library.  (http://vsl.cnet.com/)
otherwise, you can mail me and i will either send it back to you as an
attachment, or i can put it on my ftp site for you.


good luck,

jack


________________________________________________________
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106 west eggleston hall            perfect, it would be tempting
virginia tech                                but i would decline, for  life
blacksburg, va 24060-0020     would no longer teach me anything.
phone: (540) 232-6371
http://www.sv.vt.edu/mitchell/                           - allyson jones

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date:         wed, 15 nov 1995 20:59:07 -0500
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from:         rachel rivera <mtngrl6@aol.com>
subject:      questions for aol

hi jude, everyone!
my 2 questions for emily and amy:
1.  if you wanted to do a cover of a beatles song, which would you do?
2.  is the queen in pushing the needle too far the same queen as the one in
suzanne vega's song about the queen and the soldier?
thanks!  rachel :)

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date:         wed, 15 nov 1995 22:29:29 -0600
reply-to:     water <water@mindspring.com>
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from:         water <water@mindspring.com>
subject:      and now a word from our sponsor....

okay, so not our *sponsor* persay.. but ... a word from our favorite record
store.... yes... a tidbit from.... drum roll please????

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yep yep yep... more rdr newss. and this is good news!! re , for all you
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can you belive it????  it's the ****best***** one that perry and marsha have
*****ever****  seen!!  and you can bet, they've seen *alot*

so--   give them a call.... right now!! grab it.. there is only  one!!

thats--     ****************1-800-636-6166**********************

don't forget it!!!

also, they wanted me to pass on this...


appearing..  on saturday, **november  18**

                        will be:::::::::::

        bandit,,, and his guests.. viva la diva..

                            at:::::::::::::::::

                       5 o'clock.. pm!!!!

(right whent his little chicky babe gets off of work :)), oh how perfect :))  )

be there.. or be.. hmm.. someplace else :))
_________________________________________________________________


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(1), form vera and allison.  each step brought us closer to the reality that
they were not  coming with us."
                            -arlene bloom
                                from: annapurna: a woman's place.

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from:         jennifer courage <102571.1704@compuserve.com>
subject:      1200c finally released in canada!

hi everybody,

today during lunch i went to the record store and thought the music they were
playing sounded familiar (at least the voice) and i was right, it was amy --
they were playing "down by the river" from 1200c!  you have to understand that
this was amazing because it had to mean that 1200c was finally available here in
canada!  i went to the new releases section and there it was!  they had pushed
the release date back and then seemed to have no idea when it was coming, so it
was a cool surprise.  when i went to buy it, the cashier said she was looking
forward to it as well and that she had been the one who chose to play it in the
store (it is a big store that i wouldn't usually expect to play music like ig).
so, i am finally getting my first listen to 1200c right now and it is fabulous!
must seem like deja vu to all you guys in the us who have had it for a month!
just wanted to let any other canadians out there know that it is available...go
get it!

jen

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date:         wed, 15 nov 1995 22:34:13 -0700
reply-to:     jill frankel <jefrankel@ucdavis.edu>
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from:         jill frankel <jefrankel@ucdavis.edu>
subject:      wendy bucklew (nigc)

hi...is there any kind (and lucky, since you own it!) soul out there who
would be willing to send me the liner notes for rage in the ring?  too bad
i only have a tape of it.  if anyone's interested in getting rid of it, i'd
pay...
thanks,  jill


jill & duffy
jefrankel@ucdavis.edu
dhjohnson@ucdavis.edu

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subject:      re: still more tmf and r&j

linda joanne napikoski <napikosk@chaph.usc.edu> said:

>one day, though, about 2 years ago, i was driving and finally heard
>mark's version on the radio. "wow," i said. "amy sings this song, but she
>is clearly not singing the same thing."  it made me realize that amy took
>something i perceived as almost cutesy and made it gutsy, something sweet
>and made it raw, something confused and made it forlorn.
>(btw, i liked mark's version.) now, i am waiting to hear it live (dream,
>dream) and reach yet another level.
>
it has been said that mark knopfler wrote it for his pet hamsters.  anyone
know the whole story?


jill & duffy
jefrankel@ucdavis.edu
dhjohnson@ucdavis.edu

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date:         thu, 16 nov 1995 18:04:52 +1100
reply-to:     petite piquet <piquet@geko.com.au>
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from:         petite piquet <piquet@geko.com.au>
subject:      survey of ig fans on the www
x-cc:         sage lunsford & todd o'reilly <sagetodd@postoffice.ptd.net>,
              damon harper <damon_harper@mindlink.bc.ca>,
              cuffy <cuffy@desktop.com.au>,
              dave cook <davecook@yarrow.wt.com.au>

hiya folks,

i must be mad!  (yeah, yeah, i know, i know i know... :)

i've decided to re-run my survey of ig fans, which is off my homepage,
at http://www.geko.com.au/sherlyn/igsurvey/igsurvey.html.

a whole lot of you came by to fill out version 1, and thanks for that,
but i was so remiss in tallying your results and the information on that
page was kinda out of date, so i (like the complete fool that i must be
*grin*) have decided to hold it again.

so, even if you have already, please come by the page and fill out
the survey again... the partially tallied results for version 1 of the
survey are available too.

that url again folks: http://www.geko.com.au/sherlyn/igsurvey/igsurvey.html.

if you don't have www access, email me and i'll mail you a copy that you
can fill out and return to me via email.

cheers folks,
sherlyn
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"christine lavin isn't as nice as everyone thinks she is.  she's got quite
a temper.  but it's not true!  i am nice, damn it, and i'll smack anybody
who says i've got a temper!"            - christine lavin

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subject:      re: fwd: my abbreviations
in-reply-to:  <76665.ensmtp@pace.atl.ga.us>

there is one long abbreviation i use regularly, though just for one
person - twhttylssk. but if anyone's curious about what the udic and
fotah in my sig mean (yes i left it in this time) i'll explain them. :)

_______________ |  |> |\ _|_ |> |\/| |> |> |\  _______________
|               |\ |\ |\  |  |> |  | |\ |\ |||               |
|                                                            |
|                       -{cranberry}-                        |
|                                                            |
|                  ultima fashions designer         |        |
|        _           .sibble war veteran            |        |
|       (_)              dragonmaniac               |        |
|      --+--            world traveler              |        |
|        |                the avatar                |        |
|        |           the mad photographer           |        |
|                     the white tigress            -+-       |
|                       jenny thomsen               i        |
|                         * fotah *                          |
|                                                            |
|                       gallara dragon                       |
|                        -==(udic)==-                        |
|                                                            |
|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|
| breathe deep, seek peace          carpe diem               |
|                                                            |
| hakuna matata     ho eyo he hum     live long and prosper! |
|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|
| special thanks to all the dragons, cats, ducks, dinosaurs, |
| beagles, bunnies, klingons, romulans, catians, vulcans,    |
| trill, androids, serpents, elves, fuzzies, hobbits,        |
| pervects, warners, and humans of the world.                |
|____________________________________________________________|

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reply-to:     "lori h. levy" <llevy03@emory.edu>
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subject:      vld interview - long (nigc)

hi guys,

thought this might be of some interest...  forwarded from the creative
loafing web site (http://www.cln.com)...

if you're gonna check out the loaf, this is the week to do it, 'cause
there's this article, a short piece on michelle malone and bds' new label
and upcoming album, *and* a restaurant review of the flying biscuit.  :)

later,
lori
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vibes feature
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                                society's child

viva la divarence

   by gina webb

   at the peak of its popularity, the ellen james society had done two
   coast-to-coast u.s. tours, appeared on the "david letterman show" with
   the indigo girls (on whose albums ejs also co-wrote and recorded), and
   released two cds (reluctantly we and the survivor's parade). when the
   band broke up in 1993, cooper seay, lead singer and guitarist for the
   band, says she spent two months "going, 'yeah. yeah! yeah!'

   "and then, about the top of the third month," she adds, "i went,
   'ohhhh ... where's my identity?'" not long afterward, she and original
   ellen james society founder, jan dykes (who had quit the band in
   1990), started playing together again.

   not that they consciously planned anything like another band.

   "it was, 'well, we're not really doin' anything, we're just hangin'
   out,'" seay remembers. "'this is just for us, but we're not really
   gonna do anything with it.' that lasted about three months, really.
   and then i started thinking, if i don't get out of this practice room
   and play again i'm gonna shoot myself. ...

   "i don't think i was very up front with myself about it," she says. "i
   couldn't look at it. i couldn't tell myself, 'yes, you're gonna climb
   out of this muck and you're gonna do it again, and you're gonna play
   every shithole in the southeast all over again' -- you know, i just
   couldn't tell myself that."

   but that's exactly what she did, using the songs she and jan wrote
   during those three months to launch her new band, viva la diva, made
   up of guitarist and vocalist candi jiosne, drummer wayne glass and
   bassplayer jan dykes, along with seay, its lead singer and guitarist.
   it's a band that so far has traveled no further away than florida, a
   band that's perfectly happy to play "every shithole in the southeast"
   as long as they can play every night, and who all agree that they're
   more than ready to go on the road for extended periods.

   "i can't imagine anything better than that right now," seay says.
   "even if you're just barely scraping by ... there's something about
   having all your stuff in one little bag. ... life is so condensed, so
   easily manageable, it's beautiful."

   but for now, they play as often as they can in town. and what their
   shows lack in frequency, they more than make up for in intensity.

   in fact, whenever people talk about viva la diva's shows, you hear
   about fans who rip their clothes off. "we call it the tom jones
   phenomena," says seay, herself a huge tom jones fan.

   "i think people feel like they can do that at our shows," glass says.
   "they feel comfortable about it. everyone's performing when they're at
   our shows."

   "it's true," seay chimes in. "the people in front perform. they do,
   they sing, they sing and they make gestures. i think when you come to
   our show and you get really into it, at that level, you feel that
   you're part of our show. and ultimately, you are."

   along with the difficulty of building up another following, viva la
   diva, like any new band, is faced with the sheer volume of new bands
   competing for concert space and airplay. "if we didn't have the ellen
   james thing going for us," says seay, "it would be almost impossible
   to get anything going -- there's so many bands. i mean, if you think
   about college radio: when i grew up, you had the talking heads, patti
   smith, you had like -- i could name them all if i really worked at it
   -- there were like 20 bands. and nowadays, everybody's got a band."
   observing that the current trend is toward "the visualization of
   music," seay feels that "basically, to get signed, i think, you either
   have to look great or you can sound great. most people don't fit all
   the requirements all the way down the line, and i think the first
   thing to go is musicality. because we low-brow everything, we dumb
   down everything."

   even though viva la diva's sound couldn't be further from grunge rock,
   seay, a veteran of the production process ("i know enough to be an
   arsehole about it," she says), expresses her concern about the band's
   soon-to-be-released cd, viva la diva's greatest hits volume i,
   recorded in nashville in -- believe it or not -- one week. the 12
   songs are all live. "it's incredibly raw. there's mistakes all over
   it. it's so full of flaws. but," seay adds, "that's the reason it
   sounds so ballsy.

   "some of those songs were really hard to let go of," she says. her
   preference for arranged music, which comes out of her love of british
   invasion rock, had to be foregone due to the short recording time.

   "i'd go, ok, this is just gonna be a four-piece kind of rocker," seay
   recalls. "although i hear the trumpet, and this needs a pizzicato
   string right here, you just have to let that go. so that's the hardest
   thing. to let a song be that. when you know it could be something
   else. but you know, basically, that's what our live sound is."

   the band (minus bass player, dykes, in london at the time of cl's
   interview) is sitting around a table at the highland pub, drinking
   coffee and picking at what's left of a basket of french fries and
   cheese sticks. "the music is the most important thing," glass is
   saying. "people might be in bands for other reasons, but we're not in
   this because we're going to get signed. you know, i think we all have
   to do it."

   glass, whose parents listened to john coltrane, charlie parker and
   miles davis, says he listens to everything: "old zeppelin and beatles
   and the doors. i like jeff buckley a lot. i like verve, who i think
   just broke up. i like the waterboys a lot, and mike scott just put out
   a new album."

   jiosne says although she's still listening to "the same people" she
   listened to from the beginning -- fleetwood mac -- she finds herself
   drawn to classical music. "and i'm getting into a lot of like
   intricate music, like king crimson, where they have like really weird
   time signatures."

   on the subject of music, seay turns reflective: "i spent my
   adolescence listening to music; you know, it was the only thing that
   made me happy. i was a terribly unhappy teenager. i mean, it's a hard
   age for anybody and i had some extra weight. it was very hard. but i
   was ok, because i had the music to drag me through. i mean, if you can
   affect somebody like that, that's beautiful, that's what you're really
   there for."

   the music. on a local level, vld believes wholeheartedly in atlanta's
   potential. but the band expresses concern that atlanta journalists
   have fallen prey to what seay terms "the cult of personality. 'aren't
   i clever? aren't i unimpressed?' if you turn on any television show at
   all, that's what sells, that whole i'm-so-unimpressed kind of thing.
   but it supports nothing."

   jiosne nods, agreeing that cute one-liners fail to "say anything about
   what the music sounds like."

   "the worst thing," seay adds, "is that it's not me -- i have my own
   mind and i'm a lot older -- it's that there's some 16-year-old in
   dunwoody who's reading this stuff and saying, 'oh, they suck? then i'm
   not going.' it's a sad thing," she continues, "when the local
   underground papers don't support local music."

   the steve-perry-and-z.z.-top piped in from above seems to have gotten
   louder. glass throws back a decongestant seay gives him to take care
   of his sinus cold. jiosne declines the waitress's offer of what seems
   to me to be our 10th round of coffee refills. i look over at a little
   silver packet laying on the table near her coffee glass, labeled in
   bright colors: get up and go.

   so i do. but before i stop the tape, seay mentions that at the record
   release party, "kelly hogan's gonna open and we're going to play a
   short set, not anything driving into the ground. but then on the third
   set, everybody we know is gonna come up and play whatever we wanna
   play. i mean anybody. anybody who wants to shake an egg or sing -- tap
   dance, i don't care. usually at album-release parties you are so
   stressed, you don't have any fun. everybody else has a great time with
   the free beer and you're miserable. you never talk to your friends and
   you sign autographs all night and it's so weird. but we decided we
   weren't gonna do it like that. we're just gonna jam. it could be
   awful, it could be great. we want everybody to come. anybody we
   haven't called that we know -- or don't know."

   "so remember to wear some cool underwear," glass advises me.

   ladies and gentlemen ... viva la diva!

   viva la diva's cd release and pre-show listening party takes place
   this friday, november 17, at the point.

   [1][image]

   copyright 1995 by creative loafing | published november 18, 1995 |
   [2]web@cln.com
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date:         thu, 16 nov 1995 10:58:44 gmt
reply-to:     billpannifer <billpannifer@easynet.co.uk>
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subject:      different versions of video?

just wondered if anyone has track listings/other info about the current
video/tv formats. as far as i can see there's:
watershed, the commercial video;
the disney special;
the bbc live special shown a few months back.


are they all the same? the bbc one seemed have been edited down. is
watershed and disney the same? are they all different edits of the dec 94
london show or is there other material added?

do i need to get hold of all three???


bill

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date:         thu, 16 nov 1995 04:25:15 -0700
reply-to:     pamela shaw <sparkle@primenet.com>
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from:         pamela shaw <sparkle@primenet.com>
subject:      subscribing/ unsubscribing options

ok- i am going out fo town for 10 days.  do i have any other options than
the following:

1. ending up with 700+ messages in my box when i return.

2. unsubscribing and then resubscribing

if i unsubscribe, do i follow the same instructions to resubscribe (except
in the body write "signon indigo-girls") ?  what is the correct procedure
for this?
i'd love it, though, if there were any other possibilities... (we don't have
a digest format, do we? if we do- could i switch to digest for the days i am
gone?)

sorry to bring this to everyone's attention, but i thought list members
might be able to help... and some might be wondering the same thing...  if
not- jude- could you please get back to me (i dont have your address anymore!!!)


thanks all!!!

peace...
pamela

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date:         thu, 16 nov 1995 12:17:00 pst
reply-to:     andrew stokell <astokell@mailhost.bretton.ac.uk>
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subject:      live and early material

dear all                                                            16.11.95


as a new user of the net, but an established ig fan, i would like to say that
it's great to find interesting stuff out here!
a magazine i read recently said that beginners like me are called "newbies",
i thought alternately we might be internet innocents, or net novices!!
anyway, what i want to ask is, i'm looking for copies of early and live ig
stuff, are there any u.s. fans out there who can help out? i have a video of
one of the british gigs filmed last year, and broadcast this summer, if
anyone's interested (pal only though, i'm afraid).
to finish, call me a :-( individual if you will (and you probably will!), but
would a cover by ig of the bangles track "following" (yes i did say bangles!)
not be interesting? no really, go and listen to it again!

bye for now

andrew stokell (e-mail at astokell@mailhost.bretton.ac.uk)

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date:         thu, 16 nov 1995 08:50:31 -0500
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subject:      re: nigc/nmec - boots in ann arbor?
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on wed, 15 nov 1995, dianne wrote:

> karra -- try "best buy"... here in southern calif they seem to carry
> plenty of cool boots for mle, igs, and a few others too! i betcha your's
> are similar?

really? best buy carrying illegal material? should be interesting if any
of the record companies check into it and decide to sue.

there's not a whole lot in the ann arbor area in the way of boots. keep
your eyes open for record shows... there's one held every 4 months or so
right in town, as well as lots of them in the detroit/suburbs area. check
current magazine for dates of the ann arbor show, the metro times also
lists them. wazoo (on state street) has boots up by the register, though
i've never seen any of the ones i'm looking for. schoolkids does get them
on occasion, but not too often. you might also try p.j.'s.

happy hunting!
k

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date:         thu, 16 nov 1995 10:14:49 -0500
reply-to:     chuck stevens <stevens@raptor.sccs.swarthmore.edu>
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from:         chuck stevens <stevens@raptor.sccs.swarthmore.edu>
subject:      fwd: my abbreviations (fwd)

hmmm...susan's latest abbreviation is dwabmdlbwast...let's guess...

done with a bio midterm, darling. let's be wild and sautee tofu.
do we aggravate blind mice dancing lambadas? ben wouldn't allow sue's tango.
darn, walter ate bill's manicotti daintily lest bill wear a stained toga.
don't worry about being muddled, dear; larry's brother will always stand
tall.
dumb waiters always bother me. doesn't len believe wilma abhors soggy
tempura?
drat! why aren't butlers more dapper? let's bottle whiskey at seven thursday.

oh, i give up.

chuck stevens
dsteven1@cc.swarthmore.edu
stevens@condor.sccs.swarthmore.edu
610-690-3824

no storm can shake my inmost calm
while to that rock i'm clinging;
since love is lord of heaven and earth,
how can i keep from singing?

---------- forwarded message ----------
date: wed, 15 nov 1995 15:31:55 -0400
from: susan swann <sswann@pace.atl.ga.us>
to: multiple recipients of list indigo-girls <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
subject: fwd: my abbreviations

this is a message to all of you who were curious about my closing
abbreviations.  i hope this answers any questions.  the abbreviation that i
used was lylabbwfsaaofnbtacfj.  i sent this letter to jessie, who was
questioning the meaning of my abbreviation.  read it if you want.


jessie,
     hey, what's up?  i just had to respond to your message about my
abbreviation.  i have been getting a lot of mail because of that; people are
so curious about what i am thinking.  i know you see a lot of that stuff in
old yearbooks, and really, my abbreviation does come from my high school
inside jokes but has nothing to do with a closing to a letter or to a yearbook
note.  it is a statement, something that i want people to think about.  people
who know me have worked hard to pry inside my mind.  you see, i am kind of
like a mystery.  if you want to know me, you have to be curious and reach
through my surface.  i don't put up a mask; don't get me wrong.  i personally
think i am a very real person, but i like it when people show interest and try
to figure me out.  think about my abbreviation; try to figure it out.  if you
do, great, but if you don't, that's cool too.  i don't expect anyone to be
able to get it.  i have many more secrets in my vocabulary, so you might be
seeing more stuff like this.  as for old yearbook signings, i'll give you some
of those.  you might be thinking about lylas (love you like a sister.)  if you
have any more that you just can't get, send them to me.  i am still in high
school; i might know some of them, but then again, these people could be like
me.  they could be codes for you to figure out.  think about the inner person;
it helps a lot.  i received a response from someone saying that my message was
"hilarious."  maybe a point has gotten across that abbreviations are extremely
overused.  i don't know.  maybe my whole way of thinking is wrong.  people
need to be more honest and open with each other; i admit that, but these days,
who can you trust?  who is sincere?  when people prove these things to me, i
let them inside.  i hope this answers your question.  thanks for writing me; i
would love to hear from you again.  i have to go now; remember, i'm still in
high school.  i have class.  oh, and how old are you?  please write me back.
                                                           dwabmdlbwast,
                                                                        susan

p.s. chukka has left and gone away.


***************************************************************
-we've got to learn to respect what we don't understand.
                             amy ray
***************************************************************
     raw
cold ice.
metal.
point, pushing further
down into me.
bloody flesh.
the eyes of innocence,
penetrating.
red, darker.
noble color
smearing rememberance.
stains.
waterfall, crashing.
a noisy cleansing,
red.
              -me


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date:         thu, 16 nov 1995 10:16:24 -30000
reply-to:     "judith k. hunter" <jhunter@rtc.gov>
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from:         "judith k. hunter" <jhunter@rtc.gov>
subject:      nigc-update privacy/1st amend issues

no *everybody* in washington, d. c. is staying home from government...

jude:)


tatiana divans <tatiana@well.com> offers the following report, titled phun
with the suits:

i've figured out something about the d.c. lecture circuit: if you want to
ask a question and get it answered, it helps one whole hell of a lot to
look drop-dead elegant. so i picked out spiffy ensemble, decorated it with
half a ton of killer ethnic jewelry, and the bright yellow rubber rain
slicker lined in sheared beaver. yowsa. hit metro, and headed down to
federal triangle.

last week's reports of glitches in the smithsonian volunteer system were
not repeated. the lovely lady volunteer, on her own volition, had acquired
lots of change, so there wasn't a delay at that juncture. other than
uniformed security guards, if there were additional security measures in
place, they were seamless. unfortunately for both speakers and audience, a
sprinkler system had to be shut down for urgent repairs, so the auditorium
was fairly warm with no air circulation.

the program started on time, with an audience of about 80--down from last
week prolly due to the dank, wet weather. as this was my first cyberspace
lecture, i didn't know what to expect: i had no preconceived expectations.
the majority of attendees seemed to be suits--maybe 60. there were a
handful of strangely dressed, pale complected, long haired types--one
assumes they were the mighty hackers--hail all! a few defied
discription--your correspondent won't even try. the lack of women (only a
handful) in attendance does not bode well for the future of the 'net.

each speaker gave a 10 minute long precis of his background: suffice it to
say our republican contender is an ibm supporter, while our democratic
representative is a true computer for the masses kind of guy: he's into
macs. both showed an honest, deeply felt concern that the future of
government in cyberspace be accessible to everyone. one lady, whose firm
was identified, but unintelligible from my location, asked a series of
very specific questions on what kind of governmental data and figures
would be available--still to be determined, but a joy and boon to
e-marketers. as someone who receives an inordinate amount of espam and
snailspam from various marketeers, my heart sunk to my boots.

a brief, yet important autobiographical note. your correspondent wasted
the flower the flower of her youth (11 1/2) years as an army ordnance
officer, so you'll have to take my word for it when i tell you i know
ammunition. boy, do i ever. for several years i was also in foreign
military sales/security assistance, those fine people who sell american
weapons of death and destruction to foreign potentates. the military
taught me well--i know import/export code like the back of my hand. i've
seen some real bozo legislation is my time, but my all-time fave head
shaker is the attempt of the government to brand phil zimmermann (a
personal hero) a felon, and for his pretty good privacy freeware a
"munition." ammunition is not software. software is not a land mine.

heh. got the last question: to whit, "gentlemen, i spent 11/2 years as an
army ordnance officer. i was also trained and acted as a foreign military
agent/security assistance officer. i know import/export code. software is
not a fragmentation grenade. in view of the major news header in today's
washington post--the director of the cia fired one senior official, and
reprimanded three others for lying not only to the president, the
congress, the state department, the joint chiefs of staff, and feynman
alone knows who else--would you like the aforementioned official of have a
clipper chip with the ability to read *your* email?"

this silenced the crowd, not to mention the speakers. a leetle sweat
started to pop. after going red line in the complexion department, our
democratic friend, after the usual hem haw routine, said that no, he as a
private person (he was very clear about that), he didn't want the feds to
have that ability. his republican confrere, after a slightly longer
alexandrine, agreed. then the crowd broke up, and i got the hell out of
there. it was all too depressing. if i heard mr. miller say "his vision"
(newt's), again, i was going to hurl.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
well, there we go. enjoy tonight's lecture--or next week's report on on
it.

as ever,

your friends at fast forward
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from:         "j. elaine mccracken" <jemccrac@uci.edu>
subject:      winona laduke speech
in-reply-to:  <pine.sol.3.91.951005171326.26669a-100000@clarion.cec.wustl.edu>

for those of you who were as inspired as myself by the honor the earth
tour, i am sending the www address for the native american electronic
text resources page. this site includes a speech by winona laduke
regarding the indigenous women's network.

http://hanksville.phast.umass.edu/misc/naextext.html

--elaine

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date:         thu, 16 nov 1995 08:25:05 -0800
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subject:      re: emily the technician
x-to:         "teresa c. esguerra" <sac83826@saclink1.csus.edu>
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with apologies to the supreme being!

        teresa isn't that bad of a person. (snicker.)  ...but i stand humble
to my argument that amy is a better song writer, i have quite believed
that from the beginning.  who can argue with a song like fugitive?  i
apologize to anyone who thinks i will mock them for replying.  i save it
for ter...  lighten up!

        parody's biggest problem is that it often goes unnoticed
                rj ponyboy
on wed, 15 nov
1995, teresa c. esguerra wrote:

>
>       for all those on the list who are confused, mark chong aka
> randall johnson aka ponyboy is really truly the devil with nothing
> relevant to say other to torment me....uhh...by the way...we're
> collectively mental splooge aka there's the city aka untitled ...but
> you're mama seems to be the basic working theme.
>
>       so before you all start listening to ponydevil...i must catch
> him in his sly attempts to avenge me due to the insensitivity of my
> nature concerning a call last night....yes, bring personal matters to the
> list considering that i was pretty insensitive.
>
> on tue, 14 nov 1995, mark chong wrote:
>
> > they are both great with putting creativity first, but i disagree that
> > emily is a better song writer of the two.  amy is better at arranging and
>
> > do is absorb.  she is a better guitarist, but that doesn't make you a
> > better writer.
>
> >     glad to intrude, (hi teresa!)
> >             randall johnson
>
>
>       check below ponyboy, never said emily to be the stronger of the
> two, so ****zerbert**** with an extra ****belch!****
>
> > on tue, 14 nov 1995, teresa c. esguerra wrote:
>
> > >         but where i agree with you is that both a and e are songwriters
> > > first and everything follows.  that's were there real strength lies and
> > > emily and amy could have all teh technical ability in the world and still
> > > fall flat if the songwriting wasn't there.  so thank you for pointing
> > > that out.
>
>       hahahahaha........bite me the next time i'm over at your place.
> actually pay for my bus fare and then have me wash you dishes and then
> bite me....no really...do it you sex fiend!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>
> to the folks on the list:  we really are harmless...honest!
>
> peace and hair grease,
> teri
>

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date:         thu, 16 nov 1995 08:31:41 -0800
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i swear i'm not the queen!
        rj ponyboy
on wed, 15 nov 1995, rachel rivera wrote:

> hi jude, everyone!
> my 2 questions for emily and amy:
> 1.  if you wanted to do a cover of a beatles song, which would you do?
> 2.  is the queen in pushing the needle too far the same queen as the one in
> suzanne vega's song about the queen and the soldier?
> thanks!  rachel :)
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slight correction -- /naextext should be /naetext.

on thu, 16 nov 1995, j. elaine mccracken wrote:

> for those of you who were as inspired as myself by the honor the earth
> tour, i am sending the www address for the native american electronic
> text resources page. this site includes a speech by winona laduke
> regarding the indigenous women's network.
>
> http://hanksville.phast.umass.edu/misc/naextext.html
>
> --elaine
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that suzanne vega song that was mentioned--does it begin

"a soldier came knocking upon the queen's door
he said 'i am not fighting for you anymore'"

blah blah and so on...

if it is, what is the name of it?  i heard it about 4 years ago, and i've
been wondering about it since.  what album is it on?   if it isn't hers,
does anyone know what song i'm thinking of, and who sang it, and how i
could get ahold of a copy or something?

thanks,
amanda

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subject:      re: suzanne vega song (nigc)

>that suzanne vega song that was mentioned--does it begin
>
>"a soldier came knocking upon the queen's door
>he said 'i am not fighting for you anymore'"
>
>blah blah and so on...

yes it does.

>if it is, what is the name of it?  i heard it about 4 years ago, and i've
>been wondering about it since.  what album is it on?   if it isn't hers,
>does anyone know what song i'm thinking of, and who sang it, and how i
>could get ahold of a copy or something?

the song is called "the queen and the soilder" and it can be found on
suzanne's first album which is called suzanne vega.

>thanks,
>amanda

the reason i sent this message to the list is as follows:
i heard that amy wrote the lines,

".... now i met the queen and i understand why
why she closed the door
i'm not making excuses
but you know i've been there a few times
you know i was
i was knocking on the door..."

after she met suzanne vega backstage.... you can take your own guess at the
meaning of the lyrics :)

sharon

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subject:      negative 12c reviews

hi--last sunday's edition of the chicago tribune had the opportunity to do
a story on live albums.  i was all excited to see the great write up for
1200 curfews.  well i saw a great big picture of a and e and knew there
would be praise.  wishful thinking i suppose...
        the little blurb read as follows:
the indigo girls take a more varied tack on "1200 curfews" (epic), with
performances ranging from intimate radio-station acoustic numbers to full
blown theater rave-ups.  pared to a single disc, this might have ranked
among the duo's best.  but as it is, amy ray and emily saliers outsmart
themselves, particularly their wailing gospel-blues detour in the midst of
bob dylan's "tangled up in blue."  and some of the between songs blather
tends to confirm one's worst fears about the duo's pseudo-poetic leanings:
"it seems like you feel time differently when you're in colorado"

now i know we are all die-hards but is this disc that unenjoyable to the
casual fan?  i was wondering if others have read similar negative reviews.
i live for the between song "blather".  the disc is so indigo girls and i
guess i was just really surprised to see such a negative response.
comments?  thoughts?  suggestions?

take care---greg

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the average critic has no concept for what is good or bad or real
or fake and often just wants to feel important by critizing those
who can do something he/she is incapable of...i live for the blather
too and often sacrifice my eardrums and earphones on the off chance
of hearing the mumblings before and after songs...someday the
critics will disappear and there will be peace for all are free to
decide for themselves and this puts the average critic out of a job

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subject:      old albums

okay, i'm new to the list. i am die-hard ig fan, but before i got on the list,
i'd never heard of their old albums(i.e. tuesday's child, color me grey, etc.)
where can i get them?
erin ( econner@capital.edu)

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subject:      what amps?
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what amps do amy and emily use for their guitars.  i thought they were
fender twins... but that's not it.

craig

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subject:      re: negative 12c reviews

whoever the reviewer is--they completly missed the point of the whole cd and
that is to present the "live" concert feeling.  if this "blather" would have
been added on a studio version, of course, it would have been inappropriate.
but as it is, it's a great addition to a tremendous cd!

jude :)

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it's called "the queen & the soldier", i think it's on 'suzanne vega',
what ever the album's called, it's got 'cracking', 'small blue thing',
'neighbourhood girl', etc., on (and a very good album it is too).

rebecca.

on thu, 16 nov 1995, amanda r bakken wrote:

> that suzanne vega song that was mentioned--does it begin
>
> "a soldier came knocking upon the queen's door
> he said 'i am not fighting for you anymore'"
>
> blah blah and so on...
>
> if it is, what is the name of it?  i heard it about 4 years ago, and i've
> been wondering about it since.  what album is it on?   if it isn't hers,
> does anyone know what song i'm thinking of, and who sang it, and how i
> could get ahold of a copy or something?
>
> thanks,
> amanda
>
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on thu, 16 nov 1995, ** craig cook ** wrote:

> what amps do amy and emily use for their guitars.  i thought they were
> fender twins... but that's not it.
>
> craig

craig and all,
        i know for sorta sure (watched disney bunch of times) that emily
uses peavey classics.  i'm still unsure of size (peavey 75 maybe...) but
i know that these amps are re-issues of tube amps popularized by the big
ones in the 70s...ya know, gibson, marshall, blahblah blah.  cant keep up
with history if i can't afford the product, ya know.
        i'm still not sure if amy's using a solid state or tube amp.  but
i think you're right in that it's fender.  i could have sworn i saw one
in monterey when they played and it's plain and in clear view during the
disney special.
        the peaveys that emily plays are very nice.  you can get a 30 for
a decent price and it is a pretty vintage sound...nothing compared with
the real vintages, but it's a good, pure guitar sound.  needs a noise gate.

        i'm going to ask this question again...do amy or emily use
effects...acoustic or electric...annnnnyyyooonnneee?????

"drop the candy and step away from the child"
                 -from "port-a-pottie"
                        by randall johnson


teri

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i can't believe that anyone could feel that way about 1200c.  i mean i
think that it is one of the best live/best of albums that i own.  i have
friends who heard it and went out and bought it because they loved it so
much.  i think taht the person who wrote that article just really needs
to reevaluate.

jill

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to all of you who've loved and lost without quite knowing why.  may you
all find love again because believe me it does happen. mystery.

                "i could go crazy on a night like tonight.
                the summer's beginning to give up her fight,
                and every thoughts a possibility.  the voices
                are heard, but nothing is seen.  why do you
                spend this time with me may be an equal
                mystery."
                                ~emily sailers
                                   indigo girls

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subject:      complications

the hardest to learn was the least complicated...

the hardest to stir was the least marinated.
the hardest to churn was the least concentrated.
the hardest to burn was the least oxygenated.
the hardest to earn was the least compensated.
the hardest to gulp was the least masticated.
the hardest to jail was the least implicated.
the hardest to find was the least explicated.
the hardest to teach was the least congregated.
the hardest to pay was the least obligated.
the hardest to see was the least illuminated.
the hardest to find was the least indicated.
the hardest to know was the least lucobrated.
the hardest to drink was the least percolated.
the hardest to prod was the least motivated.
the hardest to wow was the least captivated.
the hardest to grow was the least incubated.
the hardest to cut was the least mutilated.
the hardest to grow was the least cultivated.
the hardest to know was the least cogitated.
the hardest to start was the least instigated.
the hardest to pass was the least constipated.
the hardest to pan was the least overrated.
the hardest to breathe was the least respirated.
the hardest to say was the least articulated.
the hardest to shout was the least understated.
the hardest to use was the least operated.
the hardest to shake was the least agitated.
the hardest to know was the least inculcated.
the hardest to slide was the least lubricated.
the hardest to mock was the least imitated.

chuck stevens
dsteven1@cc.swarthmore.edu
stevens@condor.sccs.swarthmore.edu
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no storm can shake my inmost calm
while to that rock i'm clinging;
since love is lord of heaven and earth,
how can i keep from singing?

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reply-to:     lorinda wright <lw01@lehigh.edu>
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subject:      negative 12creview

well, i can tell you one thing. the person who wrote that negative review of
1200c is definitely walking!!! not only are they walking, but they have to
carry all of our luggage! as someone already stated, the reviewer completely
missed the point that 1200c is supposed to feel just like a concert. and it
does, in all it's beauty, it does. :) i might also add that the whole point of
reviewers escapes me. it's all a matter of opinion. "psuedo-poetic"? "babble"?
well to us that is profound and moving poetry, and their words are practically
gospel. as far as i'm concerned, an album/movie/art review says one thing
only: it states the opinion of one (probably) biased person. either the person
is not going to be an ig fan, and they're going to pan the album, or the
person is going to be an ig fan, and they'll praise the album. so what good
does that information do for anyone else? pointless i say. we shouldn't get
worked up about it, though. the reviewer's walking, and that's all there is to
it. :)

on another note: (let's say an f#), i had what had to be the ultimate ig dream
last night. they were giving a concert in a small room that amounted to a
grade school cafeteria. the stage was just a little riser on one end of the
room. there was a lunch table on the stage, and amy, emily, and band, and crew
were all eating at the table before the show. there were a total of 30 or 40
list people there, waiting for the show to begin. bert was there, and yen, and
phil, and erica, (and you, and you, and you were there too - (think wizard of
oz)) i was one of the first people there, and for some reason everyone else
was just hanging around in the back of the room. so i took my chance and
wandered up to the "head table" and tried to act like i belonged there. i
ended up leaning on one end of their table eavesdropping on their
conversation. well, amy said something, and i had some great witty reply to
barge into the conversation with, and both amy and emily thought my comment
was just the funniest, most charming thing either of them had ever heard. so
they both start talking to me. after a while, amy went to the dressing room to
get ready, and was left sitting alone with emily having this really dynamic
great witty conversation. (not an interview, but like a buddy-buddy
conversation.) we ended up chatting and laughing for a half an hour or so, and
then amy came back and emily went to the dressing room, and amy and i did the
same thing. we just laughed and talked like we were the best of friends. they
both thought i was just the coolest person they had ever met. it was heaven.
then i woke up and cruel harsh reality struck me full in the face. so much for
my delusions of grandeur. oh well, it was nice while it lasted. :)

folkisgruven, and happy dreams,
lorindigo
    i           will            not        be               complacent
lorinda wright           "learn to pretend there's more than love that
lw01@lehigh.edu           matters. -e.s.
lehigh university         "the apathy of time laughs in my face
bethlehem, pa             you say each life has its place. -e.s.
    i           will            not         be              complacent

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hi everyone!  i'm new to the list.  i'm so glad i found you all.  anyway,
i'll try to follow the rules, but i'm not too good with rules.  you know,
the question authority bit.  i too would like to know where i can find
pre-strange fire albums.  i'm from long island, so all you
loonggislanders, help out! hey, by the way, what's all this about
establishing a reputation before i get silly?  what are you going to do?
reject me and revoke my membership?  is there some kind of silly club i
need to join?  will i become a "list reject" if i don't establish a "rep"
yet.  will no one talk to me?  huh?  huh?  huh?  well, i don't know, but
the inference i get from a lot of ig music is to do your own thing and
not care what people think.  self-acceptance too.  you know, the stuart
smalley stuff.  the self-discovery stuff like:
but the wood is tired
and the wood is old
and we'll make it fine
if the weather holds
but if the weather holds
then we'll have missed the point
that's where i need to go
(did i mangle those lyrics?  you get the point.)  hey, by the way, do a &
e ever send us mail?  are we ever that lucky?
okay, gotta go.  boss thinks i'm working.  not a very smart boss!  talk
to you all soon.  glad you're here.
-dory

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reply-to:     "a. nadyne hagon" <ahagon@st6000.sct.edu>
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from:         "a. nadyne hagon" <ahagon@st6000.sct.edu>
organization: southern college of technology
subject:      {nigc}  erm . . .

i hate to say this, but i've run into a slight problem with my tape
copying right now.

my fiance has custody of my stereo.  {i live in a dorm room, and don't
spend much time there.  he gets the stereo.}  this means that my fiance
gets to copy the tapes, and this usually works out quite fine.  {in other
words, he's better about remembering to pop one in before showering, etc.}
but: said fiance has just been diagnosed with mono.  he's sleeping
constantly right now.

the point of all this is: he's not quite remembering to copy the tapes as
he should, and i think it's a pretty good reason not to.  they're getting
done, it's just taking a bit longer than usual.

so: if i have your tapes in my posession, they're queued up.  i'm working
on them, in between nursing him back to health, classes, and work.  they
*will* get done.  and they will be done in the near future.  {i'm
planning on having everything back in the mail by next wednesday.}
please don't think that i've forgotten about you, or that i'm trying to
stiff you out of the tapes.  things are just moving a bit slower than i
would like . . . :(

thanks for understanding,
nadyne.

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date:         thu, 16 nov 1995 17:50:32 est
reply-to:     lorinda wright <lw01@lehigh.edu>
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from:         lorinda wright <lw01@lehigh.edu>
subject:      (fwd) my abbreviations

hmmm...susan's latest abbreviation is dwabmdlbwast...let's guess...

done with a bio midterm, darling. let's be wild and sautee tofu.
do we aggravate blind mice dancing lambadas? ben wouldn't allow sue's tango.
darn, walter ate bill's manicotti daintily lest bill wear a stained toga.
don't worry about being muddled, dear; larry's brother will always stand
tall.
dumb waiters always bother me. doesn't len believe wilma abhors soggy
tempura?
drat! why aren't butlers more dapper? let's bottle whiskey at seven thursday.

oooh! this looks like fun!
how about:
don't want a bloody mary down louis's band wagon at saturday's teatime.
dainty watermelons are best minded. don't leave brian's watermelon alone sadly
today
do we all belong madly dear love? beetles were always so tasty.

are any of these close?
folkisgruven,
lorindigo

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date:         thu, 16 nov 1995 18:23:23 est
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from:         maritza d smith-romero <amtu23b@prodigy.com>
subject:      hi...i'm new here...

when i joined the list i had no idea what i was getting into.
i got back on line later today and had all of this mail from all
these people i didn't know.
after an already frustrating day, a mailbox full of messages from a
bunch of "wierdos' that mysteriously got my address was the last
thing i wanted to deal with.

i started reading the notes, and by the time i was into the third one
it dawned on me what this was all about. after that i really got into
it and really enjoyed what all you guys had to say.  i believe i am
enamored with all of you now.

having said all of that, does anyone know when they will next be in
the boston area?

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from:         "nicky st. pierre" <nickystp@aol.com>
subject:      r & j

oops!  i screwed this up the first time.
---------------------
forwarded message:
subj:    r & j
date:    95-11-15 23:38:50 est
from:    nicky stp
to:      ndigo-girls@netspace.org

i, too,  love the ig version of r & j.  i often listen to it over and over
again.  i fell in love with it on the very first listen and yes, i knew a
didn't write it.  i read liner notes first thing when i buy a new disc.  one
of my favorite things about music is different interpretations of songs.  i
love when different musicians cover songs and i hear widely different
interpretations.  i wish more radio stations would play back to back
different version s of the same song.

i love a's r&j,  i like mk's r&j and i also like a new version by cliff
eberhart, it kinda falls between the other two emotionally.  check it out.

nicky

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subject:      re: complications
in-reply-to:  <pine.osf.3.91.951116163705.20318a-100000@condor.sccs.swarthmore.edu>

on thu, 16 nov 1995, chuck stevens wrote:

gad... this made me laugh so hard that i would have spilled coffee
all over my desk if i had coffee (ha, i *knew* there was a reason
my brain isn't working this morning - no coffee!!  brb... :)

[10 mins later] much better.  now where was i? :)

oh yes... what about:
        the hardest to flood was the least irrigated.
        the hardest to break was the least fragitated.
        the hardest to free was the least liberated.
        the hardest to get was the least extricated.
        the hardest to squash was the least smurf-related.

or maybe not. *grin*

> the hardest to shout was the least understated.

hmmm... hmmmmmmm... hmmm... shouldn't the hardest to shout be the
least overstated? :)

take care all,
sherlyn

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"christine lavin isn't as nice as everyone thinks she is.  she's got quite
a temper.  but it's not true!  i am nice, damn it, and i'll smack anybody
who says i've got a temper!"            - christine lavin

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doh, i forgot one:
        the hardest to think was the least caffeinated.

:)
sherlyn

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who says i've got a temper!"            - christine lavin

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subject:      re: negative 12creview
x-to:         lorinda wright <lw01@lehigh.edu>

and i just love emily's voice when she says, "the day goes soooooo slowwwww."

mat
mts5@aber.ac.uk

>well, i can tell you one thing. the person who wrote that negative review of
>1200c is definitely walking!!! not only are they walking, but they have to
>carry all of our luggage! as someone already stated, the reviewer completely
>missed the point that 1200c is supposed to feel just like a concert. and it
>does, in all it's beauty, it does. :) i might also add that the whole point of
>reviewers escapes me. it's all a matter of opinion. "psuedo-poetic"? "babble"?
>well to us that is profound and moving poetry, and their words are practically
>gospel. as far as i'm concerned, an album/movie/art review says one thing
>only: it states the opinion of one (probably) biased person. either the person
>is not going to be an ig fan, and they're going to pan the album, or the
>person is going to be an ig fan, and they'll praise the album. so what good
>does that information do for anyone else? pointless i say. we shouldn't get
>worked up about it, though. the reviewer's walking, and that's all there is to
>it. :)
>

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subject:      paging lori levy (fwd)

found on alt.music.indigo-girls:

mat
mts5@aber.ac.uk
----forwarded----
path:
aber!io.salford.ac.uk!yama.mcc.ac.uk!sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk!agate!howland.r
eston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!chi-news.cic.net!uwm.edu!math.ohio
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nntp-posting-host: hmn124059.res-hall.nwu.edu

sorry to bother everyone out there who isn't lori levy, but i lost her
email address...

lori--just wondering where that tape was. please get back to me soon. i
am
quite...eager.

later,
dori
:-)


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     'i bend down, poke a double decker on a llama taboot, llama,
                                               taboot taboot' trey
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from:         "<miranda detore>" <inxsive@aol.com>
subject:      aol tonight

i thought you all might be interested in this little piece of info, which was
available on america online in order to "educate" the aol audience on the
girls.  they go on in an hour and i can't wait to listen/chat/pant/drool.

talk to yous later.

miranda

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subject:      re: 1200c finally released in canada!

>hi everybody,
>
>today during lunch i went to the record store and thought the music they were
>playing sounded familiar (at least the voice) and i was right, it was amy --
>they were playing "down by the river" from 1200c!  you have to understand that
>this was amazing because it had to mean that 1200c was finally available
here in
>canada!

hi jen,

hope to have that same feeling soon. i ordered 1200c as an import a couple
of days ago,
it may be a bit pricey here (some us$ 40), but having heard the excerpts on
the web, it's
simply a must for me.

you may not believe this, but no german radio station ever played any ig
song. my favourite dayly
'die tageszeitung', they had full page stories on michelle shocked, even
reviewed obscure new country bands like freakwater and tarnation, never
covered ig. (not quite. just checked the tageszeitung cd-rom, there was a
short feature on them in the berlin local pages, when they were the neville
brothers support act in '92)

you may not believe it either, bike messengers stop at red lights over here.
:-))

carry on,    georg

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georg petersen, heintzestrasse 20, d-24582 bordesholm, germany

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subject:      aol report in progress (part one)

emily said she is really into ani defranco...
god i love the ig's sooooo much
mike r.

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subject:      newport 96 definite!!!

amy said yes!!!
i will probably on vacation on my manuscript writing endeavor..
mike r.

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subject:      i hope...

i hope some soul out there would be kind enough to transcribe this q&a
session for those of us who aren't able to attend.

please? :)

breg


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subject:      re: i hope...

someone said about the aol chat (i am assuming):

>i hope some soul out there would be kind enough to transcribe this q&a
>session for those of us who aren't able to attend.

well, aol provides a transcript within 24 hours.  if no one else has done
it, i will certainly volunteer to post it.  i signed on for my 10 free hours
just for the chat, so it won't cost me anything.

i must say that i was kinda disappointed.  the questions weren't all that
great, and there were too few of them.  the most important thing i can
remember is that they will probably do three dates in the coming year.
newport (as mike said) is a definite.  amy also mentioned the new orleans
jazz festival.  deb reiser and i are guessing earth day in atlanta as the
third show.  sounds like three road trips to me.  :-)

of course, the fact that emily is an ani fan is very cool info, too!

:dwayne

dwayne jarrell (djarrell@ren.glaci.com)
"we have lingered in the chambers of the sea
by sea-girls wreathed with seaweed red and brown
till human voices wake us and we drown"
- t.s. eliot ("the love song of j. alfred prufrock")

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ok, i read the "75 reasons" post and all of the subsequent debate on this
list.  i happened to be reading yesterday's nyt tonight, and came across
a story about it.  apparently, the 4 "authors" have been charged with
sexual harassment and misuse of computer resources by cornell university.

for those of you who found the list extremely offensive, i suppose that
this is good news.

i, however, am a bit disturbed by the fact that a private message sent to
a few friends became a topic of discussion in the new york times within a
month.  i don't condone the type of humor on the list (though i admit a
few of them were kinda funny), but nevertheless, it was intended to be
private.  does this set a scary precedent in anybody else's mind?

ok, that's it.  i just thought people might be interested.

kim
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subject:      melanie ebig (nigc)

sorry for the nigc, but melanie, could you e-mail me asap?  you sent tapes
but i don't know what for.  thanks.

jill


jill & duffy
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i find this extremely disturbing. this is what people like newt gingrich
have been waiting for. its a slippery slope to the end of the freedom
of the internet.........


>
> for those of you who found the list extremely offensive, i suppose that
> this is good news.
>
> i, however, am a bit disturbed by the fact that a private message sent to
> a few friends became a topic of discussion in the new york times within a
> month.  i don't condone the type of humor on the list (though i admit a
> few of them were kinda funny), but nevertheless, it was intended to be
> private.  does this set a scary precedent in anybody else's mind?
>
> ok, that's it.  i just thought people might be interested.
>
> kim
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from:         "helena c. bretherton" <mawrtyr@minerva.cis.yale.edu>
subject:      re: suzanne vega song (nigc)
in-reply-to:  <199511170512.aaa11214@capitoline.cis.yale.edu>

the name of the song in question is "the queen and the soldier," form
suzanne vega's self-titled album (marlene on the wall is also on it).
it's copyright is 1985, and it should still be commercially available.
thank you for reminding me about such a great song -- it's been years
since i've heard it!

helena

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from:         "judith k. hunter" <jhunter@rtc.gov>
subject:      re: newport 96 definite!!!

yes! that was the *shocker* if there was one on the aol thing.  they also
plan on new orleans jazz festival which would be a cool thing to do!  all in
all, it was a good interview--emily was very appreciative of the fans and amy
dropping in the zingers every now and then.   the moderators, however, sucked
since they only asked *one* of my 20 questions. :)

jude

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subject:      ig on aol

bummer ....   :(

my aol account jammed at 9:50pm while i was going online to get into the
centerstage ... i am still not able to get online ... it's 11:10 pm ... i
just spoke with an aol rep. and he said there was some problem with the
system and that they were going to reset it within the hour ... what the f*ck
good does that do me now !?!?!?!?!??!?!

the one reason i finally had to be excited about being an aol member for was
this night ... ig online ... and i couldn't even get to listen in (or watch -
whatever) ...

i need to find a new network ...

depressed and in need of an indigo fix ...  wonder where they were when they
were being questioned ...

hoping to be able to download the transcript ...

help

chris  :...(

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subject:      re: nigc..75 reasons

kimberly nalder wrote:

> i, however, am a bit disturbed by the fact that a private message sent to
> a few friends became a topic of discussion in the new york times within a
> month.  i don't condone the type of humor on the list (though i admit a
> few of them were kinda funny), but nevertheless, it was intended to be
> private.  does this set a scary precedent in anybody else's mind?

yes, it does.  anyone else out there read ray bradbury's _farenheit
454_?  some times i get really frigtened by the type of governmental
regulation that goes on and is growing.  i keep looking for video
camera monitors to show up in my bedroom....

anna

***********
"bach gave us god's word, mozart gave us god's laughter,
beethoven gave us god's fire, god gave us music that we
might pray without words."  - from a german opera house

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from:         "judith k. hunter" <jhunter@rtc.gov>
subject:      ig christmas presents? ideas?

what kind of christmas present (ig related) can i get for a friend  who is
into computers but doesn't own one--she surfs the net however at work--she
has every cd the girls have made, also has an ig t-shirt, what about a screen
saver--where can i get one?  any other ideas?
jude :)

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from:         jamesy <suthardj@southwestern.edu>
subject:      re: emily listens to ani?
x-to:         michael reynolds <asl@gandalf.umcs.maine.edu>
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hello!

i couldn't believe my eyes when i read this...emily listens to ani difranco??
hmmmm.... ani is a goddess!  somehow i kinda see amy as the ani type
though...  no reason.  just that ani is so full of anger... sorta like amy.
wow!  thanks for the information!!  --jamesy

        "i don't care, cause sometimes, i hear my voice and it's been
                        silent all these years"   -tori amos

on thu, 16 nov 1995, michael reynolds wrote:

> emily said she is really into ani defranco...
> god i love the ig's sooooo much
> mike r.
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date:         fri, 17 nov 1995 08:19:11 -0800
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from:         dianne <dianne@uci.edu>
subject:      re: melanie ebig (nigc)
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o/~ you sent tapes but i don't know what foo-ooor... you were only
jokin'....you were only jokin', brother.... o/~

ok, now we've injected an ig content! lyrics!
::wink::

on thu, 16 nov 1995, jill frankel wrote:

> sorry for the nigc, but melanie, could you e-mail me asap?  you sent tapes
> but i don't know what for.  thanks.
>
> jill
>
>
> jill & duffy
> jefrankel@ucdavis.edu
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              95 9:27 am

>
> kimberly nalder wrote:
>
> > i, however, am a bit disturbed by the fact that a private message sent to
> > a few friends became a topic of discussion in the new york times within a
> > month.  i don't condone the type of humor on the list (though i admit a
> > few of them were kinda funny), but nevertheless, it was intended to be
> > private.  does this set a scary precedent in anybody else's mind?
>
> yes, it does.  anyone else out there read ray bradbury's _farenheit
> 454_?  some times i get really frigtened by the type of governmental
> regulation that goes on and is growing.  i keep looking for video
> camera monitors to show up in my bedroom....

it makes a difference to me where they posted the original message,
between themeselves, to select friends, or to soc.women.  it is not
clear they intended it to be private, nor is it clear they intended it
to be public.

imho the vast amount of forwarding that was done to that list will
cause problems in deterining what really happened.  the 4 probably
won't be held liable for the propagation of that list onto such sites
as indigo-girls, kinky-girls, soc.women, or the countless places it
showed up, and they ought not--they did not put the list there, but it
was forwarded to such sites by people trying to spread the word about
the situation and in some cases looking for folks to enlist in a mail
bomb campaign (a bad idea).

but freedom of speech is a double edged sword.  they do have to live
up to those words where they did post.  they did abuse the privilidge
cornell extended to them when they got accounts.  they may have
committed sexual harassment against people where they posted the list
themselves.  the internet abuse is an internal matter at cornell now,
where it should be handled. the sexual harassment case is probably in
the courts, where it should be.  justice will work.

                                -- chris

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shouldn't the hardest to pass be the *most* constipated?
that really was a hilarious list!

sue

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from:         lauree shampine <shampine@ll.mit.edu>
subject:      re: emily listens to ani?
x-to:         suthardj@southwestern.edu

>i couldn't believe my eyes when i read this...emily listens to ani difranco??
>hmmmm.... ani is a goddess!  somehow i kinda see amy as the ani type
>though...  no reason.  just that ani is so full of anger... sorta like amy.

i am not an angry girl...
but it seems like i've got everyone fooled
when i say some they find hard to hear...
they chalk it up to my anger and never to their own fear.

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subject:      re: emily listens to ani?

>i couldn't believe my eyes when i read this...emily listens to ani difranco??

emily does seem to have a somewhat broader musical palate in some ways than
amy does.  maybe it's because emily is less thoroughly entrenched socially in
one particular musical genre.

what happened to amy anyway?  one year they sing summertime at the newport
folk festival...a mere couple years later, amy can't pull it together
enough to sing on midnight train to georgia.  is she like competing in
the whitest white girl competition or what?

"all music for all people"

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subject:      aol virus (nigc)
x-cc:         tori@netspace.org

although most aol users should be aware of this virus by now, i thought i
would just pass along this info. i received from our isd dept. at work.
apparently there is a virus circulating on aol called aolgold.zip. it
purports to be an improved interface for aol users. it is being circulated
as an attachment to an email. if you simply download the file, no damage
will be done; however, if you execute the file, it will wipe out your hard
drive.

fyi,
-sheri

"wouldn't it be great if our schools had all the money they need
and the military had to have a bake sale to raise money for a bomb?"

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subject:      re: negative 12c reviews

greg,

as is often the case, the music critic has missed the point. i hate it when
they excerpt something; they never give you the context of the comment (i.e.
the colorado comment) and they sometimes make the artist seem like a real
idiot...and we all know that is not the case with emily or amy. i don't know
why we even have to have critics. if i avoided everything the critics didn't
like, i'd be missing some outstanding music, movies, books, etc.  just keep
in mind the critic's words are just one person's opinion...and i'd be
willing to bet he doesn't know the first thing about the indigo girls. i'd
bet since they sell so many cds, that his editor said...."ok, here's a copy
of this disc called "1200 curfews" and we need a write up on it.

i remember attending a classical guitar performance here in cols. a couple
of years ago. the artist was a well-known, extremely talented and highly
respected performer. when the critic did the review, i couldn't believe what
i was reading; it was as if the critic had gone to the wrong concert.
anyway,  several of the people who had attended the concert lambasted this
person! so, those letters were fun to read!

-sheri

"wouldn't it be great if our schools had all the money they need
and the military had to have a bake sale to raise money for a bomb?"

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from:         "judith k. hunter" <jhunter@rtc.gov>
subject:      re: aol virus (nigc)

i really doubt that this is true.  our office periodically issues the most
*dire* warnings about aol mostly 'cuz they do not want their workers surfin'
the aol net during working hours.  i mean, really! i don't have time for
anything else except my e-mail! ;)

jude

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subject:      new orleans jazz festival?
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on fri, 17 nov 1995, judith k. hunter wrote:

> yes! that was the *shocker* if there was one on the aol thing.  they also
> plan on new orleans jazz festival which would be a cool thing to do!  all in

so does anybody know when the new orleans jazz festival is????  already
making plans. . .

-jenn

*********it's*********all*********in*********our*********hands**********
"but when i tried to make it more, well it was always less.  and there's
a thin line between pleasing yourself and pleasing somebody else." -g.m.
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subject:      re: ig christmas presents? ideas?
x-to:         "judith k. hunter" <jhunter@rtc.gov>, jhunter@rtc.gov

there is an indigo girls screen saver!!!! i've seen it at record
town. if you can find it in vt, you can find it anywhere! or, if you
want, you can send me a check and i can purchase it for you!
                                                        lisa

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from:         kimberly nalder <klnalder@ucdavis.edu>
subject:      re: nigc..75 reasons
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on fri, 17 nov 1995, christopher m. becker wrote:

> >
> > kimberly nalder wrote:
> >
> > > i, however, am a bit disturbed by the fact that a private message sent to
> > > a few friends became a topic of discussion in the new york times within a
> > > month.  i don't condone the type of humor on the list (though i admit a
> > > few of them were kinda funny), but nevertheless, it was intended to be
> > > private.  does this set a scary precedent in anybody else's mind?

> it makes a difference to me where they posted the original message,
> between themeselves, to select friends, or to soc.women.  it is not
> clear they intended it to be private, nor is it clear they intended it
> to be public.
>
> imho the vast amount of forwarding that was done to that list will
> cause problems in deterining what really happened.  the 4 probably
> won't be held liable for the propagation of that list onto such sites
> as indigo-girls, kinky-girls, soc.women, or the countless places it
> showed up, and they ought not--they did not put the list there, but it
> was forwarded to such sites by people trying to spread the word about
> the situation and in some cases looking for folks to enlist in a mail
> bomb campaign (a bad idea).

actually, the article said that they e-mailed it to about 20 of their
friends.  i also believe that somebody forwarded an "apology" letter to
this list a while back
written by one (or several) of the 4, in which they also mentioned that they
had only sent it to friends as a "joke".

just clarification, but i think that private e-mail is much different in
intent than posting to a newsgroup.

kim

>
> but freedom of speech is a double edged sword.  they do have to live
> up to those words where they did post.  they did abuse the privilidge
> cornell extended to them when they got accounts.  they may have
> committed sexual harassment against people where they posted the list
> themselves.  the internet abuse is an internal matter at cornell now,
> where it should be handled. the sexual harassment case is probably in
> the courts, where it should be.  justice will work.
>
>                                 -- chris
>
> p.s.  newt may be a pompous fool, but for the record he supports
>         internet freedom of speech, opposes the exon amendment,
>         and favors the leahy amendment in its stead.  its scary to find
>         yourself agreeing with him.
>
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reply-to:     matthew j smith <mts5@aber.ac.uk>
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from:         matthew j smith <mts5@aber.ac.uk>
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and if it isn't true, it won't be the first time a virus warning has proved
to be a hoax, will it?   remember good times?

mat
mts5@aber.ac.uk

>i really doubt that this is true.  our office periodically issues the most
>*dire* warnings about aol mostly 'cuz they do not want their workers surfin'
>the aol net during working hours.  i mean, really! i don't have time for
>anything else except my e-mail! ;)
>
>jude
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from:         "ryan, erica" <eryan@post.slc.edu>
subject:      aol live excitement

how happy i am!  basically, i've had one of the worst weeks in a very long
time.  just little things, an inordinate amount of them.  but, last night,
on aol live, amy and emily made it all go away, a little like calgon
actually...but, so many people sent in questions, and they probably answered
about twelve in the forty five minutes they were there.  and guess what,
they picked one of mine to answer!!!  i nearly fell off my chair, to have
emily, then amy, answer--little old me!!!  i asked if they get/keep any of
the gifts that fans give them, and do they find it an effective way to show
our appreciation.  i'd given them both a journal last year, amy's with a
poem in it.  they both answered positively, emily saying that the less
personal gifts they sometimes give away to their friends.  but that they
never forget it.  amy said that even a piece of paper with what you think
about life on it would be meaningful, and that she especially likes things
that people make themselves, like artwork.  oh, it just lifted me out of my
growing slump, which is fortunate, as i have a 25 page paper due on tuesday.
see, ig has been helping me through college!: )  anyway, enough gloating
for me.  bye all!
erica (indigohed on aol)

"you can stand there and agonize, till the agony's your heaviest load." em

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subject:      re: emily listens to ani?

>mind you, some of her songs are a bit bluesy - eg. chickenman and this train
>- the dobro (an instrument much used in early blues) is played by emily, but
>it's an amy song.


that reminds me...

at certain points in diverse songs, i get visions of amy as a kind of
wild street preacher or old testament prophet like when she sings "darkness
into darkness...all the carnage of my journey"...or when she sings "i've
seen the kingdoms blow like ashes in the winds of change"...i love this image
of amy...it seems to suit her so well

lauree

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from:         redjayne@aol.com
subject:      indigo girls

what is this? i love the indigo girls please e-mail me at :
redjayne@aol.com

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subject:      ani difranco live tomorrow

it was especially great that emily said that she likes ani
difranco's music, considering that she (ani) is performing
live in denver tomorrow (saturday 18th) and i have tickets
(yes).  it was also great to find out that the igs are going to
be playing at the newport folk festival next year.   not to
mention the new orleans jazz festival.  i am definitely a
happy camper :)  see y'all there....

- - howdy (howard.barlow@cdo.ssi1.com)

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from:         "(eric l. nerino)" <nlyng@postoffice.ptd.net>
subject:      new orleans jazz

here's a site that gives no jazz info.....(from this past year)

the festival was held 4/28 to 5/7/95....

http://www.neworleans.com/

if anyone finds more info....please forward....

thanks...  :)

eric

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from:         enenbach <indymike@falcon.cc.ukans.edu>

okay, first of all, when and where are the newport music fest and new
orleans jazz festival?
what do you think the chances of ig playing at south x southwest in
austin this spring?
does anyone know how i can get a video copy of jcs, indigo-style?  i
could have ordered one last year but didn't.

secondly, the list "rules" are really whacked.  i'm not one to follow
every rule put before me, but some of these i found almost offensive...
"don't post silly messages until you've been on for a while"????
"wait a while to post 'cause you're new"???

...sorry if this message offended any of you on the net...really i am.

i hate feeling limited or under scrutiny when i'm expressing my passions,
such as the girls of blue...

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date:         fri, 17 nov 1995 15:51:54 -0800
reply-to:     mark chong <mkchong@ucdavis.edu>
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from:         mark chong <mkchong@ucdavis.edu>
subject:      re: nigc..75 reasons
x-to:         derek keith moulaison <frisco@uclink2.berkeley.edu>
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wait a minute!!!

the way i see it, it was a good thing that this became public.  the whole
idea of the internet is to exchange ideas and information.  this does not
mean i like what the students printed!!!  what i do mean is that, i think
that by people recognizing that this is offensive, they protested...
this is the solvent.  it is better to let people know that you don't
agree with them by showing them just how wrong they are.  freedom of
speech whether you like it or not extends to people with different ideas
than you!!!  if you don't allow someone to say what they feel, (even if
they look like asses as a result...) then you are no better than the
people who want to ban the things that may interest you!  this is the
reality of it.  if their ideas were never presented to anyone, they never
could have been challenged!!!  thank god they were.  now more people will
recognize their demons a bit better.  i would fight for the right to
anyones free speech no matter how assanine the agenda.  these are the
conditions of our freedom!!!

        zeroes and ones will take us there...
                rj ponyboy
on fri, 17 nov 1995, derek keith
moulaison wrote:

> i find this extremely disturbing. this is what people like newt gingrich
> have been waiting for. its a slippery slope to the end of the freedom
> of the internet.........
>
>
> >
> > for those of you who found the list extremely offensive, i suppose that
> > this is good news.
> >
> > i, however, am a bit disturbed by the fact that a private message sent to
> > a few friends became a topic of discussion in the new york times within a
> > month.  i don't condone the type of humor on the list (though i admit a
> > few of them were kinda funny), but nevertheless, it was intended to be
> > private.  does this set a scary precedent in anybody else's mind?
> >
> > ok, that's it.  i just thought people might be interested.
> >
> > kim
> >                           /\/^\  /\/\  //\
> > kimberly nalder          /     \/  \ \/   \
> > political science        "as women connected to the earth, we are nurturing
> > ucd ta                and we are fierce, we are wicked and we are sublime.
> > (916)752-7106         the full range is ours." - terry tempest williams
> > /\/\/\/\/\/\/\//\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\//\
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date:         fri, 17 nov 1995 18:01:13 -0600
reply-to:     avital@cs.wisc.edu
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from:         avital livny <avital@cs.wisc.edu>
subject:      r & j

that's it!  i've finally made my decision!  i can tell y'all are thrilled but
anyway...
after listening to the two versions of r&j i've decided that i do, in fact,
prefer amy's version.  i'm not sure if it's cuz that was the version i heard
first or whatever, it's just the one that speaks to me more.  not to say i
don't like the original - actually i think it has something soft and sweet that
amy's almost lacks - but the way amy preforms it makes the lyrics and feeling i
associate with the song really stand out.  hell, the whole thing speaks to me!
i love it!

okay, sorry to make you guys read all about this.  just figured i'd follow up!!

avital

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date:         fri, 17 nov 1995 18:17:44 -0600
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subject:      help

i am trying to finish up the lyrics from the b-band's tuesday's children
cassette (amy and emilys first release) and am having trouble with a song
called 'dancing shoes' which i believe is a very early dan fogelberg song.
any fans of his out there who can confirm this and possibly help decipher a
couple of lines in the song?

i hope to have the lyrics for the rest of the tape on the lifeblood site
(http://www.hidwater.com/lifeblood) by the end of the weekend.

take care -

carolyn

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date:         fri, 17 nov 1995 17:19:22 -0700
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subject:      nigc: new tracy chapman cd

hey y'all,

     i went and picked up melissa etheridge's new cd this morning
(not impressed) and while i was in there they were playing some good
tunes and it turned out to be tracy chapman.  her new cd is called
new beginnings. it is so good, beautiful, and wonderful. and since i
hadn't heard anything about it i figured maybe some of y'all hadn't
either. run and buy it!  best music since ig's new one i've heard.
caught ani defranco last night, she was good and really funny  "i don't
need no stinking rock band"  :)   :)    :)     (me neither......)


                                             --sunny

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from:         margaret clayton <maclayto@mhc.mtholyoke.edu>
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on fri, 17 nov 1995, enenbach wrote:

> secondly, the list "rules" are really whacked.  i'm not one to follow
> every rule put before me, but some of these i found almost offensive...
> "don't post silly messages until you've been on for a while"????
> "wait a while to post 'cause you're new"???

i think that these two rules that you mentioned are just to keep traffic
from skyrocketing with the additiona of every new person.  every so
often, there is someone who joins and posts around 10 messages a day,
most of which would have been answered indirectly within the first couple
of weeks of being on the list.  also, for the benefit of the people
who've been here for a while, it's nice to have a rule that keeps us from
reading "what does amy's tatoo mean?" three or four times a week.  so i
certainly don't think that these rules were created because no one wants
to hear what you have to say, it's to encourage you to wait a while so
that you are able to determine what type of things are appropriate to be
posted to the list.

thanks for questioning,
margaret

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[from that stinky newspaper review]

> and some of the between songs blather
> tends to confirm one's worst fears about the duo's pseudo-poetic leanings:
> "it seems like you feel time differently when you're in colorado"

hey!  that wasn't very nice...  that's my favorite part of 12c!

it's was also very apropos for emily to say this when performing at red
rocks.  red rocks can be magical that way.

and, he he, i was at that particular show.  you know when everyone
screams as emily sings about the mississippi that starts in
*minnesota*....?  i was one of the first to scream (i grew up in mn).  ;)

-dave (of boulder dave)

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from:         cranberry <ch002jt@arriba.nm.org>
subject:      re: complications
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and now... even more complications, thought up by me while i was bored
in 5th period today! :)

the hardest to count was the least calculated.
the hardest to build was the least fabricated.
the hardest to free was the least emancipated.
the hardest to drink was the least carbonated.
the hardest to end was the least terminated.
the hardest to tame was the least domesticated.
the hardest to fix was the least calibrated.
the hardest to calm was the least agitated.
the hardest to lift was the least elevated.
the hardest to drool was the least salivated.
the hardest to guess was the least approximated.
the hardest to choose was the least designated.
the hardest to solve was the least investigated.
the hardest to configure was the least integrated.
the hardest to hear was the least vociferated.
the hardest to heat was the least insulated.
the hardest to sell was the least liquidated.
the hardest to watch was the least pg-rated.
the hardest to commit was the least dedicated.
the hardest to appoint was the least delegated.
the hardest to form was the least granulated.
the hardest to give was the least donated.
the hardest to kill was the least assasinated.
the hardest to perfect was the least consummated.
the hardest to expect was the least anticipated.
the hardest to soak was the least saturated.
the hardest to unite was the least confederated.
the hardest to age was the least antiquated.
the hardest to honor was the least venerated.
the hardest to make was the least generated.
the hardest to satisfy was the least satiated.
the hardest to use was the least allocated.
the hardest to imagine was the least contemplated.
the hardest to rule was the least dominated.
the hardest to air was the least ventilated.
the hardest to tear was the least perforated.


yes, i was really bored. :)

cran

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date:         fri, 17 nov 1995 20:40:12 -0500
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subject:      indigo in the sidewalk??!

just thought i'd delurk and share an experience.  i was walking down the
sidewalk a few weeks ago when i came upon these words carved in the
cement--"amy, i can't get you out of my mind."  think it was an obsessed
ig fan?  it certainly expressed my sentiments!  i was going to take a
picture, but unfortunately the snow came before i made it back with my
camera.

-jean

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subject:      see ya in a week

i'm going to be signing off for the week (going on thanksgiving break) so if
anyone needs to get in touch with me, mail me directly.  hope you all have a
happy thanksgiving.


jack


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106 west eggleston hall            perfect, it would be tempting
virginia tech                                but i would decline, for  life
blacksburg, va 24060-0020     would no longer teach me anything.
phone: (540) 232-6371
http://www.sv.vt.edu/mitchell/                           - allyson jones

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on fri, 17 nov 1995, jean m. bardin wrote:

> just thought i'd delurk and share an experience.  i was walking down the
> sidewalk a few weeks ago when i came upon these words carved in the
> cement--"amy, i can't get you out of my mind."  think it was an obsessed
> ig fan?  it certainly expressed my sentiments!  i was going to take a
> picture, but unfortunately the snow came before i made it back with my
> camera.

not to rain on your parade, but it could easily be another woman named
amy... though who knows. :) now you just need to find a block of cement
with "emily, i can't get you out of my mind" carved on it. :)

cran

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date:         fri, 17 nov 1995 22:24:53 -0600
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from:         "dwayne d. jarrell" <djarrell@glaci.com>
subject:      re: emily listens to ani?

>i couldn't believe my eyes when i read this...emily listens to ani difranco??
>hmmmm.... ani is a goddess!  somehow i kinda see amy as the ani type
>though...  no reason.  just that ani is so full of anger... sorta like amy.
>wow!  thanks for the information!!  --jamesy

do people on the list in general know that emily is also a big queen latifah
fan?  in one of the fan club newsletters, she said she had been listening to
_black reign_ a lot (i think that was the name of it - definitely ql,
though).  i think it is so great that ig have such varied musical taste.  it
is a sign of quality in my mind.

:dwayne

dwayne jarrell (djarrell@ren.glaci.com)
"we have lingered in the chambers of the sea
by sea-girls wreathed with seaweed red and brown
till human voices wake us and we drown"
- t.s. eliot ("the love song of j. alfred prufrock")

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date:         fri, 17 nov 1995 20:26:31 -0800
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subject:      rdr's new year's eve party (fwd)

perry at rdr has asked me to post the blow for him...

direct any inquiries to 1-800-636-6166

amy p.


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hello all,

it's almost time for the rainy day records new year's eve internet
party and galactic tribal gathering.  this event happens every
december 31 during the day and into the evening,  and is primarily
(though not exclusively) internet folk from indigo girls, melissa
etheridge and rem lists.  everyone is invited, no matter your list
preference!   out-of-towners are treated like royalty (well, minor
royalty anyway).

this year we're doing something a little different.  we've invited
some of our favorite local musicians to just drop by, eat and drink
and play when the spirit moves them.  we hope to encourage jam
sessions and unlikely combinations of players.  no pa will be set
up, so the musicians will simply perform right next to you!

our list of confirmed drop-ins so far (in no particular order):

caroline aiken
millan & kenzie
kodac harrison
cree
sonia tetlow
kevin
natalie farr

more to come -- we expect the list to approach 50 persons.  thanks
for your support over the years!

peace,
perry
rainy day records

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date:         fri, 17 nov 1995 23:52:13 -0600
reply-to:     chris van brunt <vanbrunt@students.wisc.edu>
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from:         chris van brunt <vanbrunt@students.wisc.edu>
subject:      re: your mail

>also, for the benefit of the people
>who've been here for a while, it's nice to have a rule that keeps us from
>reading "what does amy's tatoo mean?" three or four times a week.  so i
>certainly don't think that these rules were created because no one wants
>to hear what you have to say, it's to encourage you to wait a while so
>that you are able to determine what type of things are appropriate to be
>posted to the list.

so, uh, thanks for the clarification... and as one of those new people who
was intimidated by the unwelcoming welcome message, i have to ask... what
does amy's tattoo mean?  :-)

and there are a lot of questions that get posted by people (eg, how can i
get hold of copies of albums/boots that aren't found in my area) that i
have yet to see answered by a posting on the list.  do people answer them
via private e-mail?  how do i not post these questions again when i never
see the answers?

ah, but anyway... i am happy to know there are other people out there who
achieve a taste of nirvana from that certain way a or e turns a certain
note or  phrase.  i think the only music i have listened to for a long time
has been ig, and enya.  i've worn out 2 copies of "rites" and alienated my
roomies.  i thought i was just strange.

chris
.

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uw school of veterinary medicine      |          (preferred)
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                                - lecture
     "blood goes round and round; air goes in and out. oxygen is good."
                                - anesthesia text

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subject:      ...

if anyone can stand to see my incredibly long sig again <g> , i made a
small addition which i've seen in some of the sigs around here and
liked. :) (the other, btw, is just to balance it out. otherwise it would
have to be even longer. :) )

_______________ |  |> |\ _|_ |> |\/| |> |> |\  _______________
|               |\ |\ |\  |  |> |  | |\ |\ |||               |
|                                                            |
|                       -{cranberry}-                        |
|                                                            |
|                  ultima fashions designer         |        |
|        _           .sibble war veteran            |        |
|       (_)              dragonmaniac               |        |
|      --+--            world traveler              |        |
|        |                the avatar                |        |
|        |           the mad photographer           |        |
|                     the white tigress            -+-       |
|                       jenny thomsen               i        |
|                         * fotah *                          |
|                                                            |
|                       gallara dragon                       |
|                        -==(udic)==-                        |
|        a+e=ig                                r*t=d         |
|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|
| breathe deep, seek peace          carpe diem               |
|                                                            |
| hakuna matata     ho eyo he hum     live long and prosper! |
|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|
| special thanks to all the dragons, cats, ducks, dinosaurs, |
| beagles, bunnies, klingons, romulans, catians, vulcans,    |
| trill, androids, serpents, elves, fuzzies, hobbits,        |
| pervects, warners, and humans of the world.                |
|____________________________________________________________|

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date:         sat, 18 nov 1995 04:38:35 -0600
reply-to:     water <water@mindspring.com>
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from:         water <water@mindspring.com>
subject:      the release.... re vld's that is :)
x-cc:         atlartists@aol.com

so the night we'd all been waiting for happened... and may i say it went off
with a *****bang****hehehehe -- re i got my gun!!!  *look on the cd for that
one*  btw i'm talking about that ever so punkish, whateverish band-- viva la
diva....

kelly hogan opened with a voice as fresh as that first spring  breeze you
breathe in after a long cold winter...  with some jazzy stuff that you could
dance alone with or dance with a partner with, we were all feelin' a little
light and ever so jazzy on our feet...

then the band we were waiting for.. viva la diva .... they opened with that
popular hit-- silver bullets.. and continued on with a set that lasted for
about an hour...  they did their  'normal' 'usual' viva la diva set.. and
yes.. there were many many stage divers, and shirts taken off...  we were
also treated with "venus dirge" the second song on their tape that they had
not done in a while.. a song that is a personal favorite of mine.. and..
*not* on the cd...

the show ended with what was the grand finale.. people were pulled up on
stage.. (yours truly included) while the various musicians that were there
covered any thing and everything that they could think of....

we were all having a wonderful time when the sound guy from the point came
up on stage and told the band that things were getting broken and that the
fun had to stop...

they did what they planned to do...  it was a night that will go down in
atlanta music history.. okay. *my* atlanta music history...   and a night
that will be ringiing in my ears for *at least* a day or so... :))

i hope the band had as much fun as i did.. and if any of them read this
list... thanks so much, the cd is incredible.. you did a great job.. keep up
the **great** work.. and keep makin' that music :)))

*smile*

water..  reporting from atlanta :)))


ps..
to order-- check out the web page-- http://monsterbit.com/vld/

and then to email them-- vivaladiva@monsterbit.com

or of course- rainy day records has it-- 1-800-636-6166
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(1), form vera and allison.  each step brought us closer to the reality that
they were not  coming with us."
                            -arlene bloom
                                from: annapurna: a woman's place.

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reply-to:     mr neil hunt <ph21nh@surrey.ac.uk>
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from:         mr neil hunt <ph21nh@surrey.ac.uk>
subject:      rdr party...hmmm....(ptmpigcyeh)

(probably the most pathetic indigo girl content you'll
ever hear...)

hey :)

>
>our list of confirmed drop-ins so far (in no particular order):
>
>more to come -- we expect the list to approach 50 persons.  thanks
>for your support over the years!

wait...can you say indicated-live :):)
just a thought...

:p:p

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  |      |  wey 2/06             he says he's only human.
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  | (o)(o)    university of surrey as if to try to prove it...
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  |   __|   surrey                   he's not certain of their ardour.
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subject:      aol live chat text

here it is, the text from the aol chat with amy and emily.  enjoy!
as subcityii, i managed to slip in a question about all of us
online!!!

onlinehost:  copyright 1995 america online, inc. all rights reserved.


onlinehost:  your emcee is csemcee8 (meg).

welcome to america online!

csemcee8:  welcome, indigo girls!
indigolive:  emily: i would like to say hello to all the people
surfing the internet.
indigolive:  amy: hope everyone is doing well tonight. thanks for
joining us.
csemcee8:  here is our first question:
question:  you have performed some of your songs literally hundreds
of times - how do you keep the performances fresh?
indigolive:  emily: well, we change our set list every night. each
night before we play, we carefully pick the songs that we will be
excited to play that night, and we feel free to change the songs
musically or otherwise during the performance.
indigolive:  amy: also, we tour as a duo sometimes, and we tour as a
band. and we change instrumentation throughout the year.
question:  what was your favorite concert of the "honor the earth
tour"?
indigolive:  emily: we did a concert at the hopi civic center, and
there were a lot of little kids there dancing around freely. we
played a stripped-down version with the band on a tiny stage. and it
was beautiful.
indigolive:  amy: we played a fishing village in alaska called
cordova. valdez oil spill council came to see us after we testified
at a public hearing in support of the eyak rain forest preservation
fund.
question:  ig: have either of you taken voice lessons? e's singing
technique has changed-sometime between "rites" and "swamp oh"--was
this due to voice teaching/coaching? what warm-up exercises do you
both use before concerts?
indigolive:  emily: no voice lessons. i think in an effort to expand
myself, musically, i try to experiment with writing songs in a
broader vocal range. and also it can always be something like the
fact that we had a different engineer for "swamp ophelia." you never
know.
indigolive:  amy: amy warms up before every show for fifteen minutes,
but it doesn't seem to make a difference.
csemcee8:  this is from syl95:
question:  you both seem so grounded. what are some of the negative
effects of celebrity, and how do you manage to stay sane in such a
high profile life?
indigolive:  emily: one thing that's hard for me is, if i'm in public,
especially in my hometown, and i feel like i'm being scrutinized,
and i don't know if i'm actually being scrutinized or if it's the
effect of being in the public eye so much. you have to make a
conscious effort to stay in touch with the things in life that keep
you grounded.
indigolive:  amy: the things about being a celebrity i don't like
are: i get embarrassed when i'm shopping. and i don't like to change
clothes in front of people at the y. the things i do to stay
grounded: i spend a lot of time with my family. i try to always
remember to be myself, no matter what the situation is.
csemcee8:  courtchea asks this question:
question:  do y'all have favorite songs? (well, obviously...) which
ones? why?
indigolive:  emily: well, for indigo songs, it can change from time
to time, and usually it's based how much i enjoy performing a
particular song. and it changes. and a lot of my favorite songs in
life were written by joni mitchell.
indigolive:  amy: some of my favorite songs are: "strange fruit,"
billie holiday. "down by the river" by neil young. a song called
"lodi" - credence clearwater revival.
csemcee8:  fizbanhat wants to know...
question:  what cd's do you like to listen to when you jump in your
car?
indigolive:  emily: right now i'm really liking ani difranco. tlc
indigolive:  amy: there's a group from atlanta called smoke. another
atlanta group whose album has not come out yet called rock a teens.
csemcee8:  this is from raven4luc:
question:  love your music, do you prefer doing live work or studio
recordings?
indigolive:  emily: the two experiences are so different that i can't
choose one over the other. i love them both.
indigolive:  amy: right now, i prefer live.
csemcee8:  tbonebton asks this question...
question:  sometimes i spend hours trying to interpret your songs. do
the two of you write your songs with specific meanings, or is the
meaning up to the individual?
indigolive:  emily: i usually write my songs with a specific meaning,
but it's always a pleasure when someone tells me that they got
something different from it than what i intended when i wrote the
song.
indigolive:  amy: sometimes i don't even know what my songs mean, and
they change as the years go by. so i welcome any interpretation.
csemcee8:  this question is from inxsive:
question:  re: bury my heart.. have you spent time with buffy st.
marie? what is she like, and what does she think of your version? (it
rocks)
indigolive:  emily: we've never met buffy st. marie. we invited her
to do a show at the end of the "honor the earth" tour, but she had
other commitments. i love her voice. i find her spirit extremely
intense, and i don't know what she thinks of our version. but for me,
it was one of the most satisfying experiences for both live and in
the studio. both amy and i would love to meet her, and i feel sure
that we will.
csemcee8:  this question comes from skno4:
question:  i heard the indigo girls recorded a bob dylan tune...is
that true and if so which one?
indigolive:  emily: we recorded "tangled up in blue" and also with
joan baez on her latest cd, "don't think twice, it's all right."
csemcee8:  from blaaaaaas:
question:  i went to your concert in berkeley about 2 years ago and
was very happy to find a primarily gay crowd. would you say that we
are a majority of your listeners?
indigolive:  amy: it depends on the city that you're in. some cities
are mostly gay or mostly straight. we appreciate the support the gay
population has given us and want everyone to feel welcome at our
shows and to leave all prejudices behind when they walk in the door.

indigolive:  emily: don't forget to vote.
csemcee8:  syl95 asks...
question:  i've read about your "honor the earth" tour which raised a
lot of money for native american activist groups. what are some of
the other causes you believe in and support?
indigolive:  amy: aids research and aids caretaking. education, inner
city resource development and general environmental issues.
csemcee8:  from cortezr:
question:  emily, do you feel like you are the girl w/the weight of
the world in your hands? i really relate to that girl!
indigolive:  emily: i have felt that way at times but i also, for the
most part, count my many blessings, and i have a fierce spirit of
hope.
csemcee8:  from kreby:
question:  should we schedule our annual  newport,ri road trip in
august? will you play the folk festival?
indigolive:  amy: yes.
indigolive:  emily: i love that festival.
indigolive:  amy: that will be one of three shows that we might do
for the whole year.
csemcee8:  also from subcityii:
question:  i belong to an indigo girls internet group---do you ever
read the notes that are left on them? if so, what do you think?
indigolive:  amy: i'm not online yet. i don't have internet. but when
i do i will be checking up on everyone. we appreciate the support
that the computer people have given us.
csemcee8:  jsslow sends this question:
question:  do you ever argue when arranging your songs or deciding
which of you gets the single?
indigolive:  emily: (laughing) no, we don't argue about arranging the
songs. we write our songs separately, and the one who wrote the song
gets the final word if there's a serious dispute. but i find the
creative process remarkably equitable for us.
csemcee8:  dkplayer sent this question in:
question:  do you feel as if you've grown as writers? and what does
that mean exactly? i hear critics say that often, so i'm just
wondering what it means to either of you.
indigolive:  amy: i hope i've grown as a writer. i think one
indication of growth are the images used in the song. as your song
writing matures, your images hopefully become more unique and have
more depth.
indigolive:  emily: i feel i've grown somewhat as a songwriter, but i
haven't obtained what i want to obtain as a songwriter, and there are
some songs i wrote years ago i feel still stand as some of my best
works. so it makes me worried.
csemcee8:  from indigohed:
question:  do you get/keep the mementos (journals, necklaces, etc.)
that fans give you while you're on stage? do you think it's an
effective way of showing our appreciation? erica
indigolive:  emily: i always find it very touching...all the gifts
that we receive. but we can't keep all of it, so some of it we give
away (the less personal items), and some of it we keep. and some of
it probably gets lost in the shuffle. but we never forget, and we
always appreciate a gift.
indigolive:  amy: i appreciate the gifts. it's just as effective to
write a note telling a little bit about yourself and what you think
about life. i especially like artwork or something that you make.
csemcee8:  many are asking about any tour plans - can you tell us
about the next few months?
indigolive:  amy: we are not touring until after we finish a new
record, which will not be until '97, but we are tentatively set to
play newport folk festival and the new orleans jazz festival.
csemcee8:  from lisasky1:
question:  we saw every show on your west coast tour last summer.
y'all are amazing! we met your crew along the way. red, nile and
belvedere were always very nice to us and would stop to talk to us.
how do you find your people? can anyone work for you?
indigolive:  emily: we've been really fortunate, especially with this
last crew which includes those guys. not just anybody can work with
us. we have to have the same spirit with our crew about why we're all
there. those guys work really hard.
indigolive:  amy: besides being nice, our crew is extremely
technically proficient.
csemcee8:  for our final question of the evening, robli02 asks this
question:
question:  thought "fugitive" in london was cool-- why isn't it (or
any other version) on "1200 curfews"? and where's "love will come to
you"?
indigolive:  amy: i decided not to put "fugitive" on the record
'cause i felt that the studio version was more definitive and had
more spirit than any of the live recordings.
indigolive:  emily: we really wanted to put "love will come to you"
on the record, but the versions we had were awful. lots of pitch
problems. so we passed it up.
csemcee8:  we will answer two more questions. from blkjoy:
question:  assuming you both have always enjoyed performing live...(?
)...how has it changed in terms of your experiences at shows? i like
the fact that you speak to the audience in a sort of personal way.
indigolive:  emily: i think that the band we have right now is really
an outstanding band. and they're great to play with. and so we can be
spontaneous during the shows. but as far as speaking to the audience,
sometimes i don't know what in the world to say. and sometimes the
conversation just flows.
csemcee8:  thelmaca asks our really and truly last question of the
evening.
question:  how did you decide to sign with epic? from what i
understand, you were doing pretty well with your own label.
indigolive:  amy: we were doing well, but the work load of managing,
booking, and radio promotion was too much for us to handle. epic made
an agreement to let us do what we wanted to do and run things the way
we wanted to run them.
indigolive:  emily: they were the only major label really interested
in us at that time. there was no bidding war.
csemcee8:  thank you amy and emily for taking time to answer some
really great questions from the audience.
indigolive:  amy: i want to say "live long and prosper."
indigolive:  emily: i want to say thank you. you all mean a lot to us.

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date:         sat, 18 nov 1995 09:13:09 -0500
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csemcee8:  welcome, indigo girls!

indigolive:  emily: i would like to say hello to all the people surfing the
internet.

indigolive:  amy: hope everyone is doing well tonight. thanks for joining us.


csemcee8:  here is our first question:

question:  you have performed some of your songs literally hundreds of times
- how do you keep the performances fresh?

indigolive:  emily: well, we change our set list every night. each night
before we play, we carefully pick the songs that we will be excited to play
that night, and we feel free to change the songs musically or otherwise
during the performance.

indigolive:  amy: also, we tour as a duo sometimes, and we tour as a band.
and we change instrumentation throughout the year.

question:  what was your favorite concert of the "honor the earth tour"?

indigolive:  emily: we did a concert at the hopi civic center, and there were
a lot of little kids there dancing around freely. we played a stripped-down
version with the band on a tiny stage. and it was beautiful.

indigolive:  amy: we played a fishing village in alaska called cordova.
valdez oil spill council came to see us after we testified at a public
hearing in support of the eyak rain forest preservation fund.

question:  ig: have either of you taken voice lessons? e's singing technique
has changed-sometime between "rites" and "swamp oh"--was this due to voice
teaching/coaching? what warm-up exercises do you both use before concerts?

indigolive:  emily: no voice lessons. i think in an effort to expand myself,
musically, i try to experiment with writing songs in a broader vocal range.
and also it can always be something like the fact that we had a different
engineer for "swamp ophelia." you never know.

indigolive:  amy: amy warms up before every show for fifteen minutes, but it
doesn't seem to make a difference.

csemcee8:  this is from syl95:

question:  you both seem so grounded. what are some of the negative effects
of celebrity, and how do you manage to stay sane in such a high profile life?


indigolive:  emily: one thing that's hard for me is, if i'm in public,
especially in my hometown, and i feel like i'm being scrutinized, and i don't
know if i'm actually being scrutinized or if it's the effect of being in the
public eye so much. you have to make a conscious effort to stay in touch with
the things in life that keep you grounded.

indigolive:  amy: the things about being a celebrity i don't like are: i get
embarrassed when i'm shopping. and i don't like to change clothes in front of
people at the y. the things i do to stay grounded: i spend a lot of time with
my family. i try to always remember to be myself, no matter what the
situation is.

csemcee8:  courtchea asks this question:

question:  do y'all have favorite songs? (well, obviously...) which ones?
why?

indigolive:  emily: well, for indigo songs, it can change from time to time,
and usually it's based how much i enjoy performing a particular song. and it
changes. and a lot of my favorite songs in life were written by joni
mitchell.

indigolive:  amy: some of my favorite songs are: "strange fruit," billie
holiday. "down by the river" by neil young. a song called "lodi" - credence
clearwater revival.

csemcee8:  fizbanhat wants to know...

question:  what cd's do you like to listen to when you jump in your car?

indigolive:  emily: right now i'm really liking ani difranco. tlc

indigolive:  amy: there's a group from atlanta called smoke. another atlanta
group whose album has not come out yet called rock a teens.

csemcee8:  this is from raven4luc:

question:  love your music, do you prefer doing live work or studio
recordings?

indigolive:  emily: the two experiences are so different that i can't choose
one over the other. i love them both.

indigolive:  amy: right now, i prefer live.

csemcee8:  tbonebton asks this question...

question:  sometimes i spend hours trying to interpret your songs. do the two
of you write your songs with specific meanings, or is the meaning up to the
individual?

indigolive:  emily: i usually write my songs with a specific meaning, but
it's always a pleasure when someone tells me that they got something
different from it than what i intended when i wrote the song.

indigolive:  amy: sometimes i don't even know what my songs mean, and they
change as the years go by. so i welcome any interpretation.

csemcee8:  this question is from inxsive:

question:  re: bury my heart.. have you spent time with buffy st. marie? what
is she like, and what does she think of your version? (it rocks)

indigolive:  emily: we've never met buffy st. marie. we invited her to do a
show at the end of the "honor the earth" tour, but she had other commitments.
i love her voice. i find her spirit extremely intense, and i don't know what
she thinks of our version. but for me, it was one of the most satisfying
experiences for both live and in the studio. both amy and i would love to
meet her, and i feel sure that we will.

csemcee8:  this question comes from skno4:

question:  i heard the indigo girls recorded a bob dylan tune...is that true
and if so which one?

indigolive:  emily: we recorded "tangled up in blue" and also with joan baez
on her latest cd, "don't think twice, it's all right."

csemcee8:  from blaaaaaas:

question:  i went to your concert in berkeley about 2 years ago and was very
happy to find a primarily gay crowd. would you say that we are a majority of
your listeners?

indigolive:  amy: it depends on the city that you're in. some cities are
mostly gay or mostly straight. we appreciate the support the gay population
has given us and want everyone to feel welcome at our shows and to leave all
prejudices behind when they walk in the door.

indigolive:  emily: don't forget to vote.

csemcee8:  syl95 asks...

question:  i've read about your "honor the earth" tour which raised a lot of
money for native american activist groups. what are some of the other causes
you believe in and support?

indigolive:  amy: aids research and aids caretaking. education, inner city
resource development and general environmental issues.

csemcee8:  from cortezr:

question:  emily, do you feel like you are the girl w/the weight of the world
in your hands? i really relate to that girl!

indigolive:  emily: i have felt that way at times but i also, for the most
part, count my many blessings, and i have a fierce spirit of hope.

csemcee8:  from kreby:

question:  should we schedule our annual  newport,ri road trip in august?
will you play the folk festival?

indigolive:  amy: yes.

indigolive:  emily: i love that festival.

indigolive:  amy: that will be one of three shows that we might do for the
whole year.

csemcee8:  also from subcityii:

question:  i belong to an indigo girls internet group---do you ever read the
notes that are left on them? if so, what do you think?

indigolive:  amy: i'm not online yet. i don't have internet. but when i do i
will be checking up on everyone. we appreciate the support that the computer
people have given us.

csemcee8:  jsslow sends this question:

question:  do you ever argue when arranging your songs or deciding which of
you gets the single?

indigolive:  emily: (laughing) no, we don't argue about arranging the songs.
we write our songs separately, and the one who wrote the song gets the final
word if there's a serious dispute. but i find the creative process remarkably
equitable for us.

csemcee8:  dkplayer sent this question in:

question:  do you feel as if you've grown as writers? and what does that mean
exactly? i hear critics say that often, so i'm just wondering what it means
to either of you.

indigolive:  amy: i hope i've grown as a writer. i think one indication of
growth are the images used in the song. as your song writing matures, your
images hopefully become more unique and have more depth.

indigolive:  emily: i feel i've grown somewhat as a songwriter, but i haven't
obtained what i want to obtain as a songwriter, and there are some songs i
wrote years ago i feel still stand as some of my best works. so it makes me
worried.

csemcee8:  from indigohed:

question:  do you get/keep the mementos (journals, necklaces, etc.) that fans
give you while you're on stage? do you think it's an effective way of showing
our appreciation? erica

indigolive:  emily: i always find it very touching...all the gifts that we
receive. but we can't keep all of it, so some of it we give away (the less
personal items), and some of it we keep. and some of it probably gets lost in
the shuffle. but we never forget, and we always appreciate a gift.

indigolive:  amy: i appreciate the gifts. it's just as effective to write a
note telling a little bit about yourself and what you think about life. i
especially like artwork or something that you make.

csemcee8:  many are asking about any tour plans - can you tell us about the
next few months?

indigolive:  amy: we are not touring until after we finish a new record,
which will not be until '97, but we are tentatively set to play newport folk
festival and the new orleans jazz festival.

csemcee8:  from lisasky1:

question:  we saw every show on your west coast tour last summer. y'all are
amazing! we met your crew along the way. red, nile and belvedere were always
very nice to us and would stop to talk to us. how do you find your people?
can anyone work for you?

indigolive:  emily: we've been really fortunate, especially with this last
crew which includes those guys. not just anybody can work with us. we have to
have the same spirit with our crew about why we're all there. those guys work
really hard.

indigolive:  amy: besides being nice, our crew is extremely technically
proficient.

csemcee8:  for our final question of the evening, robli02 asks this question:

question:  thought "fugitive" in london was cool-- why isn't it (or any other
version) on "1200 curfews"? and where's "love will come to you"?

indigolive:  amy: i decided not to put "fugitive" on the record 'cause i felt
that the studio version was more definitive and had more spirit than any of
the live recordings.

indigolive:  emily: we really wanted to put "love will come to you" on the
record, but the versions we had were awful. lots of pitch problems. so we
passed it up.

csemcee8:  we will answer two more questions. from blkjoy:

question:  assuming you both have always enjoyed performing live...(?)...how
has it changed in terms of your experiences at shows? i like the fact that
you speak to the audience in a sort of personal way.

indigolive:  emily: i think that the band we have right now is really an
outstanding band. and they're great to play with. and so we can be
spontaneous during the shows. but as far as speaking to the audience,
sometimes i don't know what in the world to say. and sometimes the
conversation just flows.

csemcee8:  thelmaca asks our really and truly last question of the evening.

question:  how did you decide to sign with epic? from what i understand, you
were doing pretty well with your own label.

indigolive:  amy: we were doing well, but the work load of managing, booking,
and radio promotion was too much for us to handle. epic made an agreement to
let us do what we wanted to do and run things the way we wanted to run them.

indigolive:  emily: they were the only major label really interested in us at
that time. there was no bidding war.

csemcee8:  thank you amy and emily for taking time to answer some really
great questions from the audience.

indigolive:  amy: i want to say "live long and prosper."

indigolive:  emily: i want to say thank you. you all mean a lot to us.

onlinehost:  our thanks to indigo girls emily saliers and amy ray for joining
us this evening. for your own transcript of this event, please check back
about this time tomorrow when it will be available at keyword: center stage.
thank you and good night.

onlinehost:  copyright 1995 america online, inc. all rights reserved.

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subject:      re: ig christmas presents? ideas?
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hi everyone!  janet bought me an early xmas/bday present that i think y'all
might be interested in or already know about?  it's a sony video clip screen
saver.  she says it's called sony screeners.  you should be able to get it at
any big electronics store.  she bought it at fry's electronics for about $10.
bonne chance!!!

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> indigolive:  amy: i want to say "live long and prosper."

wow!  amy's a trekkie!  that just makes me love them even more!

anna

if 7-11 is open 24 hours a day, 365 days a year, why are there locks on the doors?

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reply-to:     matthew j smith <mts5@aber.ac.uk>
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from:         matthew j smith <mts5@aber.ac.uk>
subject:      the y?

can anybody tell me what "the y" means?   it's mentioned in bmhawk and in
the aol interview ... is this short for ymca or something?

mat
mts5@aber.ac.uk

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date:         sat, 18 nov 1995 13:50:59 -0500
reply-to:     margaret clayton <maclayto@mhc.mtholyoke.edu>
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on sat, 18 nov 1995, matthew j smith wrote:

> can anybody tell me what "the y" means?   it's mentioned in bmhawk and in
> the aol interview ... is this short for ymca or something?

yes.

margaret

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subject:      tangled up in blue

wondering if anyone out there has or knows were i can get the lyrics to tangled
up in blue.  any help would be greatly appreciated.

avital

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date:         sat, 18 nov 1995 15:05:19 est
reply-to:     "christopher m. becker" <cmbecker@space.mit.edu>
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from:         "christopher m. becker" <cmbecker@space.mit.edu>
subject:      re: your mail
x-to:         indymike@falcon.cc.ukans.edu
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              from "enenbach" at nov 17, 95 5:36 pm

> secondly, the list "rules" are really whacked.  i'm not one to follow
> every rule put before me, but some of these i found almost offensive...
> "don't post silly messages until you've been on for a while"????
> "wait a while to post 'cause you're new"???

ummm... i'm glad you used "rules" in quotes because to the best of my
knowledge, we have no rules.

you may be refering to the welcome message that you got when you
signed on to the list.  jude (the list mistress) and i developed that
letter as a way for bringing new folks up to speed with the rest of
us, some of whom have been on this list for over 5 years.  it also
tells you where the faq is (such as it stands, i still want to update
it) and how to handle listserv intearctions.

as for your specific complaints, they aren't rules but suggestions.
you are free to ignore them as you will.  i talked to a number of
friends on this list about how to make the transition from list newbie
to list regular in the smoothest manner possible.  those suggestions
were the result.  btw, you took the 'wait a while to post' thing out
of context.  people were encouraged to hold back on posting questions
that might be contravertial (e.g.  a question which may or may not be
considered a invasion of a&e's persoanl lives) until they got a feel
for the list, which is very different from irc or usenet--and even
different from most other mailing lists!

the welcome message was suposed to be inclusive, friendly, and most of all
welcoming. i'm sorry you felt inhibited by it.  that was not the purpose.

                                -- chris

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date:         sat, 18 nov 1995 15:15:15 est
reply-to:     "christopher m. becker" <cmbecker@space.mit.edu>
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from:         "christopher m. becker" <cmbecker@space.mit.edu>
subject:      nigc: the welcome letter

what follows is the wlelcome letter jude andi developed.  there are
minor changes between this and the final version.

                        -- chris

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welcome to the indigo girls mailing list!

  the list is an unmoderated forum to which all are encouraged to
contribute.  currently there are about 1000 subscribers world-wide
from all walks of life.  when you first start receiving e-mail you will
notice that the list has a different feel to it than a usenet group,
irc, or even other mailing lists.  i strongly encourage you to read
this welcome letter and then save it.  it will give you a primer on
the list and you may find it valuable.

  the indigo girls (ig) list has been in existence in some for for a
number of years.  although there is no "charter," a number of unspoken
ground rules have developed.  the foremost is we avoid discussion of
amy (a) and emily's (e) personal lives.  where is the line?  that is a
very good question, no one knows.  we ask everyone to use there
personal judgement.  as a new person it might be wise to listen for a
week or so before asking a question that may be controversial.

  that's what we don't do.  what we do do is discuss the music from
interpretations to chord progressions.  we write reviews and accounts
of concerts.  we update tour and ticket info.  we mention (but not
discuss) other folk rock artists we know locally.  we ask questions
and trade (not sell) homemade bootlegs.  and, occasionally, we get
silly (but i recommend you avoid unsolicited silly posts until you
establish a reputation =)).  we have fun talking about the girls and
being together.

  when a list has been around as long as this one certain questions
get asked repeatedly.  as such we have developed a frequently asked
questions (faq) document which i strongly encourage you to download
and read before you post to the list, your question may be answered.
you can get the faq through the www at

        http://www.tezcat.com/~mtp/ig/html/ig-page.html

or by ftp at ftp.tezcat.com.

  also, songs, albums, and frequently used phrases have acronyms.  you
have been introduced to a few already (ig, a, e...).  most have been
formed from stringing together the first letters of the
song/album/phrase, for example tgwtwotwihh == "the girl with the
weight of the world in her hands."  if you could handle that one,
you're ready to go =).  if you missed it, i'm not surprised.  you will
find a list of frequently used acronyms in the faq (starting in
version 3).

  there is one very important acronym, nigc (no indigo girls content),
that i want to mention specificly.  we ask that nigc be placed in the
subject line of messages to the list that have no (or virtually no)
direct relevance to the girls.  for example, you want to plug a local
band or discuss the threat to tan m&m's by the marketing weenies at
mars candy (yes, that really happened--told you we were silly).

  now that you have the lay of the land, how do you post?

  if you have something you want to post to the list, mail it to:

                indigo-girls@netspace.org

  if you want to unsubscribe, or change formats (post by post or digest)
do not send anything to the above address, no one can help you anyway!
mail to:

                listserv@netspace.org

a file with only one line in it

                [un]subscribe indigo-girls

if you want more options, mail the file

                help

to the listserv address.

  that is about it.  if it seems like everyone knows each other, its
because in a very real way we have come to know each other.  be
patient and we'll get to know you soon.  welcome to out list family!


reminder 1: save this file!
reminder 2: download the faq!

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date:         sat, 18 nov 1995 15:29:57 edt
reply-to:     chickensoprano <creechal@cc.emu.edu>
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from:         chickensoprano <creechal@cc.emu.edu>
organization: eastern mennonite university
subject:      just a thought

has anyone else but me wondered what it would be like if the girls
did a whole album with just their guitars or acappella?

anna

if 7-11 is open 24 hours a day, 365 days a year, why are there locks on the doors?
(besides for leap years.)

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reply-to:     mr rodney s wicker <rucr57a@prodigy.com>
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from:         mr rodney s wicker <rucr57a@prodigy.com>
subject:      aolgold virus...

i went to america on-line and asked the tech support people about the
aolgold virus.  this is the e-mail i received answering my question.
looks like the stories are true:

the aolgold virus is a trojan horse virus that is intended to erase
most of
your system files. america online's terms of service department
tested and
verified it's capabilities, after a member who had received it
reported it to
us.

aolgold.zip contains an install file, install.exe, which when run,
expands
into the following:

adrive.rpt
annoy.com
doer.do
doomday.exe
install.bat
install.exe
slower.zz
suspend.drv
video.drv

when  install.bat is initialized (by rebooting your computer) it
renames
video.drv to virus.bat. the next time the computer is rebooted, virus.
bat
begins it's job of deleting all files on the computer's c:\ drive,
in
alphabetical and numerical order.

we recommend that any email you receive with the aolgold.zip file
attached
be forwarded to the terms of service department at screen name
"tosemail1", then immediately deleted from your "mail you've sent"
and
"mail you've read" mailboxes by selecting the "delete" button on your
email list window.

please do not download or execute this file.


attached is a letter with some more information regarding this virus.
please
read it over and check out keyword virus or virus2 for more
information. :)

thanks for using tech live and enjoy your time online.

warm regards,
tla lel


**********************************************************************
************************
november 14, 1995

dear member:

as you know, we strive to keep you informed on various issues
regarding
online safety.

we want to take this opportunity to remind you about potential
computer
viruses and trojan horses and how to protect your computer.  first, a
virus
is a program that is designed to spread and usually attaches itself
to a
program with the goal of spreading to other computers.  a trojan
horse is a
program that is intended to corrupt your computer but has to be
activated
before it can be executed.  for example, a trojan horse can be
distributed as
an attached file to an email but the file has to be downloaded and
executed
before harm is done.

if you receive email from unknown senders with an attached file, it
is a good
rule of thumb not to download the files.  in addition, if you ever
receive a
file in email you believe could cause problems, please forward it
immediately
to tosemail1, and explain your concerns to our terms of service staff.


we have received recent inquiries regarding a trojan horse that is
sent as an
attached file in an email message entitled "aolgold" and "install.
exe". it is
important to understand that no virus or trojan horse can be passed
along by
simply reading email.  however, we strongly urge that if you receive
email
with an attached file with this name not to download it.

due to the private nature of electronic mail, we cannot scan files in
email
for viruses as we do with files in public areas of the service.

we have never had an occurrence of a virus or trojan horse being
spread
through simply reading email.  in order for one to spread to your
computer,
you would have to proactively select the attached file and download
it to
your hard drive.  it is therefore advisable never to download
attached files
from an unknown sender.

aol incorporates virus protection throughout the service and scans
all posted
software, text, and sound files in public areas. we also offer our
members
the virus information center on aol where you'll find information
about the
latest virus or trojan horse, along with updates to all the popular
commercial, shareware, and freeware anti-virus tools.  keyword: virus.


thank you for taking an active role in maintaining a safe online
environment.

sincerely,
aol operations staff

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date:         sat, 18 nov 1995 16:36:04 -0500
reply-to:     margaret clayton <maclayto@mhc.mtholyoke.edu>
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from:         margaret clayton <maclayto@mhc.mtholyoke.edu>
subject:      tangled up in blue lyrics (fwd)

this was posted a while back.  thanks again to ken.
margaret

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---------- forwarded message ----------
date: mon, 16 oct 1995 01:53:28 -0500
from: ken guttman <kjguttman@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu>
to: multiple recipients of list indigo-girls <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
subject: tangled up in blue lyrics

someone a while back was trying to figure out lyrics to tuib. i don't have
the address anymore, so i thought i'd send it to the list; hopefully a bunch of
people can't figure all the words out, so that my sending such a long post to
the list is justified ;). there are multiple versions out there, but here's the
lyrics to the one on 12c as best as i can hear them.

        ken


tangled up in blue      bob dylan

early one morning the sun was shinin'
i was layin' in bed
wond'rin' if she'd changed at all
if her hair was still red
her folks they said our lives together
sure was gonna be rough
they never did like mama's homemade dress
papa's bankbook wasn't big enough
me i'm standin' on the side of the road
rain fallin' on my shoes
heading out to the east coast
lord knows i've paid some dues, gettin' through
tangled up in blue

she was married when we first met
soon to be divorced
i helped her out of a jam i guess
but i used a little too much force
and we drove that car as far as we could
abandoned it out west
and split up on a sad dark night
both agreeing it was best
and she turned around to look at me
as i was walkin' away
and i heard her say over my shoulder
"we'll meet again some day, on the avenue,
tangled up in blue."

i was livin' in the great north woods
working as a cook for a spell
but i never did like it all that much
and one day the ax just fell
so i drifted down to new orleans
where i happened to be employed
yeah i was workin' for a-while on a fishin' boat
right outside of ??delacrois??
and all the while i was alone
the past was close behind
i've seen a lot of women
but she never escaped my mind and i just grew
tangled up in blue

she was workin' at a topless bar
and i stopped in for a beer
i just kept lookin' at the side of her face
in a spotlight so clear
and later on the crowd thinned out
and i was just about to do the same
she was standing there in back of my chair
she said "don't i know your name?"
well i muttered something underneath my breath
she studied the lines on my face
i must admit i felt a little uneasy
when she bent down to tie the laces of my shoes
tangled up in blue

she lit a burner on the stove
and offered me a pipe
"i thought you'd never say hello", she said
"you look like the silent type"
and then she opened up a book of poems
and handed it to me
written by an italian poet
>from the thirteenth century
every one of those words rang true
and glowed like burning coal
pouring off of every page
like it was written in my soul from me to you
tangled up in blue

i lived with you on montague street
in a basement down the stairs
there was music in the cafes at night
and revolution in the air
that's when he started into dealing with slaves
and something inside of her died
and she had to sell everything she owned
and she froze up inside
finally when the bottom fell out
i became withdrawn
the only thing i knew how to do
was to keep on keeping on like a bird that flew
tangled up in blue

now i'm headed back again
i got to get to her somehow
all the people that i used to know
they're an illusion to me now
some are mathematicians
some are carpenter's wives
i don't know how they all got started
i don't know what they're doin' with their lives
but me, i'm still on the road
and headed for another joint
we always did feel the same
we just saw it from a different point of view
tangled up in blue

--
ken guttman                     | "it used to be that love meant
miami university of ohio        |  pretending but oh little baby not
kjguttman@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu |  since i found you"  -kristen hall

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date:         sat, 18 nov 1995 16:06:56 -0600
reply-to:     avital@cs.wisc.edu
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from:         avital livny <avital@cs.wisc.edu>
subject:      all your help

thanks much to all who got me htose tuib lyrics!  so much of it i'm in paradise.
anyways, i thought i'd share with you a little experience of mine with the song.
i put it on and pumped up the stereo (being home alone is _so_ much fun! :) )
and just as one of the guitar solos came on, i just started uncontrolabley
turning around in circles.  it was one of the most amazing expriences i've ever
had with ig - i'm sure you all think i'm a freak now but just trust me!  it left
me so free and quite nauseated!!  ahhhhh!  it was _so_ great!  i just can't get
over it!

okay, i'll stop bugging y'all.  thanks again!

avital
avital@lucy.cs..wisc.edu

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date:         sat, 18 nov 1995 17:38:10 -0500
reply-to:     maggie poulos <me_poulos@acad.fandm.edu>
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from:         maggie poulos <me_poulos@acad.fandm.edu>
subject:      kinda nigc...but related

hi all,
on december 8th band de soleil will be at the barbery in philadelphia and
on the 9th they'll be at lehigh university...their web site hasn't been
updated yet..i was hoping that any list members in the area could meet up
for the show....so, if you're interested...let me know:)
i was also wondering if anyone else has had trouble with the articles form
'94 on the lifeblood site....i can access the rest....any idea?
with dreams of immortality,
maggie
ps  hello to lynn, phil, lorinda (you better be there:), and joe hamilton:)

                      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
                      & "gonna be a long crawl *   maggie e. poulos    &
                      &    a high climb *     me_poulos@acad.fandm.edu &
                      &  through this soul of mine * bkrbkr@aol.com    &
                      &  and if i have to learn *                      &
                      &   to live again, *              *              &
                      &        i'll shed my skin *    ~m&f~            &
                      &    start all over again" *      *              &
                      &              -michelle malone                  &
                       ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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date:         sat, 18 nov 1995 17:06:47 -0600
reply-to:     aej192@casbah.acns.nwu.edu
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "amanda johnson   ae-johnson@nwu.edu" <aej192@casbah.acns.nwu.edu>
subject:      greetings and salutations....

a hearty "hi ya'll" to all of my favorite intimate strangers (or indigs,
depending on which school you're from).  i've been a subscriber for some time,
but this is my first post, so be kind.  i just moved up here to chicago from
stone mountain, ga (e & a's backyard and home of frequent ig sitings). i've
listened to the girls since their first album (i got a lot of flack in middle
school for listening to ig instead of motley crue), and i am truly devoted to
these two women.  it's nice to listen to others who appreciate their artistry.
if anyone else is up in the midwest, let me know any info regarding the girls
in this area, or any other great bands like them that are playing 'round here.
anyone interested in guitar chord? check out adam schneider on the web, my
personal hero when it comes to ig songs. he also has numerous tablature and
chord charts from chapin carpenter, shawn colvin, and others. oh, and if
you're ever in decatur, check out jen & lara--the best band to come out of the
area since ig---they should be hitting it big pretty soon.  i guess that's it
for now.  well, it wasn't too painful. perhaps i may even post again.  take
care all.  peace.


***********************************************
amanda johnson
northwestern university
ae-johnson@nwu.edu


"perhaps my thoughts are stored in a tower of
swirling magic, far off in an enchanted land.
or maybe they're just on the back shelf of
some five-and-dime. either way they're pretty
obsolete."
                        -unknown
***********************************************

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date:         sat, 18 nov 1995 17:07:50 -0600
reply-to:     carolyn <underdog@onramp.net>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         carolyn <underdog@onramp.net>
subject:      re: kinda nigc...but related

>i was also wondering if anyone else has had trouble with the articles form
>'94 on the lifeblood site....i can access the rest....any idea?

hi

we've been doing a lot of work on the site this weekend, everything is back
up and running now.  i am very happy to say that we've got the double
spacing problem taken care of, and everything should show up as being single
spaced in your browser and when you download the files now.

we have also added some more lyric files (including all of the ones for
'tuesdays children'), and will be adding some more articles and cover song
lyrics tomorrow (sunday).

if you get the chance stop by and take a look, i welcome any feedback and /
or additional information you may have for the site.  it's whole reason for
existing is to provide information to indigo girl fans.

there are still 800+ articles to be added, the typing continues.  if you
have articles that you would like to type up and contribute, or some spare
time to type up some if i snail mail them to you, please give me a holler.

take care and be well -

carolyn

http://www.hidwater.com/lifeblood

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date:         sat, 18 nov 1995 18:35:12 -0500
reply-to:     "helena c. bretherton" <mawrtyr@minerva.cis.yale.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "helena c. bretherton" <mawrtyr@minerva.cis.yale.edu>
subject:      re: nigc -- 75 nasty comments...
in-reply-to:  <199511180512.aaa14209@capitoline.cis.yale.edu>

the internet is a funny thing. it's nearly impossible to guarantee that a
msg one posts privately remains a private msg, since any recipient has
the capability to forward that msg to anyone else.. at what point does
the msg become a public instead of a private msg?  and when something as
controversial, as ugly, and as downright mean as that list is initially sent
to 20 people (as someone mentioned), is it still intended as a private msg?

there is no doubt in my mind that those four guys were stupid and
deserved everything they got (which wasn't nearly what they truly
deserved).  no, the internet is not regulated (at this time, anyway), and
i don't think it should be.  however, that means that we have a
responsibility to what we post, and to whom we post, since we can't
guarantee that the msg is never accessed by an unintended person.
freedom of speech does not equal freedom of responsibility;  it's like
the old saying about crying fire! in a crowded theatre -- it may be your
constitutional right to say it, but that doesn't mean that you are
constitutionally protected against the consequences for exercising your
freedom of speech.

i read a newspaper article about this situation -- apparently the four
guys have both published an apology in the cornell university daily
newspaper, and have posted it to the net as well -- the thrust of the
apology was that the list was meant as "humour, humour, humour" and that
it was "reverse sexism" to complain about it, that "women need to get a
sense of humour." nothing in that list gave me the impression that this
was merely a joke -- i think it was nearer and dearer to their hearts than
they'd like us to believe.

they still don't understand how offensive and how inappropriate the list
was (i actually got a copy forwarded to me, before i subscribed to this
mailing list -- was it posted here too?).  there's too much hate in our
society, and too much misogyny to let this go by without comment and
action.

if being offended by that list results from "no sense of humour,"  then is
it equally hypersensitive to protest when a child is beaten or an animal
is tortured? i really don't see much of a difference between these
examples, certainly regarding "humour." maybe they think all that's funny,
too.

it's a really sad world we live in, and it's particularly sad that these
guys will get off the hook without suffering any real punishment for what
they did.

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date:         sat, 18 nov 1995 19:09:56 -0500
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subject:      "boys on the side" release date

for all of you that are interested, boys on the side will be released for
purchase on february 23.  i believe it's going to be $19.95 ( a far cry from
$90!)  at least that's going to be the advertised price, but you will
probably find ity cheaper at most places.  and now a word from our
sponsor...you can pre-order it at suncoats motion picture co. for $15.99.  \
that's all folks,
stephen

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date:         sat, 18 nov 1995 18:08:57 -0600
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subject:      (nigc) stranger than an intimate chicken....

why do we drive on a parkway and park on a driveway?

why isn't phonetic spelled like it sounds?

(oh, by the way, 7-11 isn't open 24 hours. it's open from 7am to 11pm--hence
the name 7-11. however, waffle house, the universal road trip stop, is open
24-7, and they have locks.....)

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date:         sat, 18 nov 1995 19:36:35 -0500
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subject:      re: indigo in the sidewalk??!
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on fri, 17 nov 1995, cranberry wrote:

>
> not to rain on your parade, but it could easily be another woman named
> amy... though who knows. :) now you just need to find a block of cement
> with "emily, i can't get you out of my mind" carved on it. :)
>
> cran
>

there are other women named amy?! :)  anyone know where i can find some
freshly laid cement?

-jean

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on fri, 17 nov 1995, mark chong wrote:

> wait a minute!!!
>
> the way i see it, it was a good thing that this became public.  the whole
> idea of the internet is to exchange ideas and information.  this does not
> mean i like what the students printed!!!  what i do mean is that, i think
> that by people recognizing that this is offensive, they protested...
> this is the solvent.  it is better to let people know that you don't
> agree with them by showing them just how wrong they are.  freedom of
> speech whether you like it or not extends to people with different ideas
> than you!!!  if you don't allow someone to say what they feel, (even if
> they look like asses as a result...) then you are no better than the
> people who want to ban the things that may interest you!  this is the
> reality of it.  if their ideas were never presented to anyone, they never
> could have been challenged!!!  thank god they were.  now more people will
> recognize their demons a bit better.  i would fight for the right to
> anyones free speech no matter how assanine the agenda.  these are the
> conditions of our freedom!!!


uh, mark?  maybe you didn't really read my post.  i was *supporting* free
speech.  i think especially that private speech should be without
penalty.  that is exactly the problem with the fact that they are now
being charged with harassment and misuse of the internet.

oh, and emily is the better songwriter.

kim


>
>         zeroes and ones will take us there...
>                 rj ponyboy
> on fri, 17 nov 1995, derek keith
> moulaison wrote:
>
> > i find this extremely disturbing. this is what people like newt gingrich
> > have been waiting for. its a slippery slope to the end of the freedom
> > of the internet.........
> >
> >
> > >
> > > for those of you who found the list extremely offensive, i suppose that
> > > this is good news.
> > >
> > > i, however, am a bit disturbed by the fact that a private message sent to
> > > a few friends became a topic of discussion in the new york times within a
> > > month.  i don't condone the type of humor on the list (though i admit a
> > > few of them were kinda funny), but nevertheless, it was intended to be
> > > private.  does this set a scary precedent in anybody else's mind?
> > >
> > > ok, that's it.  i just thought people might be interested.
> > >
> > > kim
> > >                           /\/^\  /\/\  //\
> > > kimberly nalder          /     \/  \ \/   \
> > > political science        "as women connected to the earth, we are nurturing
> > > ucd ta                and we are fierce, we are wicked and we are sublime.
> > > (916)752-7106         the full range is ours." - terry tempest williams
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ucd ta                and we are fierce, we are wicked and we are sublime.
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subject:      alas i must leave

i've been on the list for a bit now and have quite enjoyed the repartee
shared among several of you.  but the sheer volume of mail that i get
each day has become to much to have to read.  if i don't check it for a
fortnight, i come back with 50-100 mesgs, a lot too handle when i'm
waiting for specific mail from people.  if anyone would like to stay in
contact you got the address.  and if anything super juicy and good comes
along, like those tapes :), could someone pls drop me a line.  thanks.
tace care yall.
shannon

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>*      to make a prairie it takes a clover and one bee,                *<
>*      one clover, and a bee,                                          *<
>*      and revery.                                                     *<
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this was my point!!!  in my opinion, and trust me: it matters...  this
was not misuse of the internet.  that is where i disagree.  it's fine to
sue them for slander or whatever, but it was the result that we will
blatantly call censorship that led to it being called "misuse"!  everyone
should know their rights!  your rights are your power:  know them, use
them!!!

        ponyboy

p.s.  i don't particularly like the guys myself.
on sat, 18 nov 1995,
kimberly love nalder wrote:

> on fri, 17 nov 1995, mark chong wrote:
>
> > wait a minute!!!
> >
> > the way i see it, it was a good thing that this became public.  the whole
> > idea of the internet is to exchange ideas and information.  this does not
> > mean i like what the students printed!!!  what i do mean is that, i think
> > that by people recognizing that this is offensive, they protested...
> > this is the solvent.  it is better to let people know that you don't
> > agree with them by showing them just how wrong they are.  freedom of
> > speech whether you like it or not extends to people with different ideas
> > than you!!!  if you don't allow someone to say what they feel, (even if
> > they look like asses as a result...) then you are no better than the
> > people who want to ban the things that may interest you!  this is the
> > reality of it.  if their ideas were never presented to anyone, they never
> > could have been challenged!!!  thank god they were.  now more people will
> > recognize their demons a bit better.  i would fight for the right to
> > anyones free speech no matter how assanine the agenda.  these are the
> > conditions of our freedom!!!
>
>
> uh, mark?  maybe you didn't really read my post.  i was *supporting* free
> speech.  i think especially that private speech should be without
> penalty.  that is exactly the problem with the fact that they are now
> being charged with harassment and misuse of the internet.
>
> oh, and emily is the better songwriter.
>
> kim
>
>
> >
> >         zeroes and ones will take us there...
> >                 rj ponyboy
> > on fri, 17 nov 1995, derek keith
> > moulaison wrote:
> >
> > > i find this extremely disturbing. this is what people like newt gingrich
> > > have been waiting for. its a slippery slope to the end of the freedom
> > > of the internet.........
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > for those of you who found the list extremely offensive, i suppose that
> > > > this is good news.
> > > >
> > > > i, however, am a bit disturbed by the fact that a private message sent to
> > > > a few friends became a topic of discussion in the new york times within a
> > > > month.  i don't condone the type of humor on the list (though i admit a
> > > > few of them were kinda funny), but nevertheless, it was intended to be
> > > > private.  does this set a scary precedent in anybody else's mind?
> > > >
> > > > ok, that's it.  i just thought people might be interested.
> > > >
> > > > kim
> > > >                           /\/^\  /\/\  //\
> > > > kimberly nalder          /     \/  \ \/   \
> > > > political science        "as women connected to the earth, we are nurturing
> > > > ucd ta                and we are fierce, we are wicked and we are sublime.
> > > > (916)752-7106         the full range is ours." - terry tempest williams
> > > > /\/\/\/\/\/\/\//\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\//\
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> political science      "as women connected to the earth, we are nurturing
> ucd ta                      and we are fierce, we are wicked and we are sublime.
> (916)752-7106       the full range is ours." - terry tempest williams
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signing off for the week, but i just wanted to say happy thanksgiving to
all the indigo girls fans out there. i'll miss all this thriving ig talk
over break.

take care,

amanda

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teresa esguerra wrote:

>actually rob, i'd have to agree and disagree with you.  imho
>(abbreviation just learned), emily is very technically skilled.  you
>could individually pick out single strings as easily as she does if one
>is not technically skilled.  i find emily songs (virginia woolf, love's
>recovery, the beginning of least complicated, and esp. ghost) to be
>very challenging technique wise.

i was comparing emily's guitar playing skills to others in the music industry.
despite your difficulties in playing some of her songs, those songs you
mentioned are quite easy to play compared with most other guitar-oriented music
(at least the stuff in my cd collection).  i am certainly far from being a
professional studio-quality musician but i think it took me 10-15 minutes to get
ghost and virginia woolf down.  least complicated took a little longer.

don't get me wrong - emily is great and i love her work!  but to say she is an
outstanding technical player is not accurate.

keep strummin'!

rob

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rob sticka wrote:

> (at least the stuff in my cd collection).  i am certainly far from being a
> professional studio-quality musician but i think it took me 10-15 minutes to get
> ghost and virginia woolf down.  least complicated took a little longer.

that's great for you, rob, but some of us who are not quite so
musical or coordinated have a bit more trouble with them.  actually,
the only ig song i can play with any ability is three hits, and
that's only strumming, picking is beyond me.  so, i'm quite impressed
with both amy and emily's guitar skills.  especially when you
consider that they're singing and doing whatever else at the same
time.

anna


if 7-11 is open 24 hours a day, 365 days a year, why are there locks on the doors?
(besides for leap years.)

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>rob sticka wrote:
>that's great for you, rob, but some of us who are not quite so
>musical or coordinated have a bit more trouble with them.  actually,
>the only ig song i can play with any ability is three hits, and
>that's only strumming, picking is beyond me.  so, i'm quite impressed
>with both amy and emily's guitar skills.  especially when you
>consider that they're singing and doing whatever else at the same
>time.

actually, emily doesn't sing when she's doing solos.   listen to just about
any of their songs (except maybe this train off swamp ophelia, and there i
think the dobro bit's overdubbed, because she plays straight acoustic on it
as well).   many guitarists (including emily) play arpeggios when they sing,
i.e. regular chord pickings, but solos are a whole different kettle of fish.
in fact one guitarist (i think it was bb king) said he couldn't play and
sing at the same time at all.

mat
mts5@aber.ac.uk
>
>anna
>
>
>if 7-11 is open 24 hours a day, 365 days a year, why are there locks on the
doors?
>(besides for leap years.)
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subject:      emily the technician

i have to side with rob sticka on this one. emily is a good guitarist, and
she has significantly matured since the first album, but as far as being a
'technician', well, considering i've been playing guitar off and on for
three years, with no formal lessons, and i can play 80% of their songs....
that's not to say they aren't beautiful songs, but they haven't
revolutionized any techniques.  anyway, i think i like it more that i can
figure out there songs. otherwise, what would i be playing?


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subject:      new orleans jazz fest

hi!
        i'm relatively new to the list, and thus feel like i have little
to offer, but when i saw questions about the jazz fest, i felt it
appropriate to chime in as a native new orleanian.
        the new orleans jazz and heritage festival is held every year,
the last weekend in april and the first weekend in may.  the
entertainment runs from thursday through sunday for those two weekends.
it is truly the most amazing musical and cultural experience--if you've
never been.  i have seen the indigo girls play at the jazz fest twice in
the past four years.  as the dates approach, there will be schedules of
who is playing when, but the whole experience is amazing and i highly
recommend it.
        the jazz fest is held outdoors in the inside of the racetrack in
new orleans.  it's really hot and usually rainy, which never stops the
performers or the crowds!  there's tons of good food, crafts, and musical
performers ranging from rock to gospel, jazz, blues, and children's
tents.  it is mass chaos, but truly the best time to visit new orleans.
mardi gras is overrated--the jazz fest is where it's at!!
        i hope this has helped explain a bit for those of you who are
interested.  if you have any more questions, feel free to ask away!

tiffany goodman

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>each day has become to much to have to read.  if i don't check it for a
>fortnight, i come back with 50-100 mesgs, a lot too handle when i'm

why doesn't anyone use the digest format like i do? it is great.
especially for someone who doesn't post often. i can read all the
postings, but i only get one shot a day. don"t go! give it a try.

chris

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on thu, 16 nov 1995, teresa c. esguerra wrote:

> craig and all,
>       i know for sorta sure (watched disney bunch of times) that emily
> uses peavey classics.  i'm still unsure of size (peavey 75 maybe...) but

>       i'm still not sure if amy's using a solid state or tube amp.  but
> i think you're right in that it's fender.  i could have sworn i saw one
> in monterey when they played and it's plain and in clear view during the
> disney special.

thanks for the help with emily's amp.  does anyone know exactly what amp
is amy's?  could it be a fender pro reverb?  it is not a twin reverb.

craig

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subject:      my final words re: emily the technician

i don't want to drag this already overdone discussion about emily's guitar
technique on forever, but i do feel compelled to add just a couple more
thoughts :)

my praise of emily's technique is based on the fact that, essentially, she's
a self-taught player. the only lessons she's had, that i'm aware of, are the
ones she took on classical guitar for one year when she was a kid. i think
she "studied" (self-studied) the merle travis school of guitar playing (i'm
not positive about this....it's something i heard ages ago and may have just
been a comment on her playing). if you don't know of merle travis...perhaps
chet atkins sounds more familiar....he plays the same way (btw...the merle
travis comments relate to her finger-picking style).

sharon isbin (classical guitarist) she ain't...rory block (blues guitarist)
she ain't, etc. etc., but her arpeggios, slurs, scale runs and general
technique are really quite impressive considering she's a self-taught
guitarist, and the best thing about her playing is that she's refreshingly
unique.....come on...anyone on this list could hear a guitar solo and
recognize it as emily's playing.

this, of course, is all my humble opinion, but i've been studying guitar
since i was nine (i'm 34), and i can safely say i know enough about
technique to say that emily's technique is really terrific.....based on what
she does and how she has learned to play. yes, the chord structures of ig
songs are quite simple...usually all you have to do is move a capo to the
right fret and use a simple chord progression...sometimes you have to do a
little re-tuning, but emily's solos deserve praise, and so i say...bravo
em...keep it up!

-sheri

"wouldn't it be great if our schools had all the money they need
and the military had to have a bake sale to raise money for a bomb?"

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date:         mon, 20 nov 1995 06:59:18 -0800
reply-to:     "amy j. putnam" <pegasus@crl.com>
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from:         "amy j. putnam" <pegasus@crl.com>
subject:      nothing to hide bootleg cds

perry from rdr has called to let me know that he is getting another,
and the last ever, bunch of nothing to hide bootleg cd's in the next week.
since bootlegs are getting harder to get, the pirce has gone up
a smidgen to $26.95 plus the $5 (per order not piece) shipping.  if
you dont have this disc, get it now.  for people unfamiliar with this
disc, i dont have it in front of me to tell you what exactly is on it,
but i can tel lyou it is from a radio city musci hall show in 1995 (i think.
someone help me here please).  perry will also be able to tell you more.
he *is* taking pre-orders on it for all interested.

that number again is 1-800-636-6166
e-mail: rainy@mindspring.com


amy p.                          /       who holds your hand
pegasus@crl.com                /        when you're alone
                              /
the original photo monk      /                  --patty larkin

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date:         mon, 20 nov 1995 08:06:12 pst
reply-to:     monique barbanson <mhb@batnet.com>
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from:         monique barbanson <mhb@batnet.com>
subject:      strange fruit

just wanted to comment on amy's mentionning that strange fruit is one of
her favorite songs. i only heard it a month ago for the first time, and i
was amazed at how powerful the song is. i went to tower records right away
to get a cd of billie holiday singing it. it's a song about black lynchings
in the south written for billie holiday by the poet lewis allan . she had a
really hard time finding a label that would let her record it because
people said it would be too harsh. (this was 1939).

for those of you who haven't heard it before, here are the lyrics. a more
experienced musician than me will have to come up with the right chords:


southern trees bear a strange fruit;
blood on the leaves, blood on the root.
black body swining in the southern breeze,
strange fruit hanging from the poplar trees.
pastoral scenes of the gallant south
the bulging eyes and the twisted mouth.
scent of magnolia sweet and fresh
and the suddent smell of burning flesh
here is a fruit for the crows to pluck;
for the rain to gather,for the wind to suck.
for the sun to rot, for the trees to drop
here is a strange and bitter crop.


monique

***************************************************************
from the letters to the editor of the dublin (ireland) _the sunday
    independent_ (as reprinted in _the new republic_, oct. 24, 1994):

                sir--
                i was shocked by the language of molly mcanailly burke's
    piece on lesbian rockers, and your allowing it in a family newspaper.
    the offending phrase "five writhing beauties hot for each other" should
    be "five writhing beauties hot for one another," since *each other*
    applies only to two.
                --sean o'brien, rathfarnham, d14
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mhb@entelechy.com

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date:         mon, 20 nov 1995 10:17:39 -0600
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subject:      adam schneider

i'm not exactly sure who asked for this because my computer ate my e-mail,
but here's the place to find guitar chords and tablature galore:

        http://www.umn.edu/nlhome/m161.schn0170/index.html

be sure to say thanks to adam.

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subject:      admin: if you need a break..

fyi..

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subject:      re: new orleans jazz
x-to:         "eric l. nerino" <nlyng@postoffice.ptd.net>
in-reply-to:  <199511172325.saa21883@ns1.ptd.net>

lol!
i read this 10 times, shaking my head, wondering why someone would post
that a site gives 'no' jazz info... then it dawned on me that no was
short for 'new orleans'.
oh gawd, it's a monday.
;>
---dianne

on fri, 17 nov 1995, (eric l. nerino) wrote:

> here's a site that gives no jazz info.....(from this past year)
>
> the festival was held 4/28 to 5/7/95....
>
> http://www.neworleans.com/
>
> if anyone finds more info....please forward....
>
> thanks...  :)
>
> eric
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subject:      strange fruit -reply

good call, monique -- this is an exquisite,
devastating song, and i am always surprised
because whenever i mention it to even my most
musically knowledgeable friends no one has
heard of it.

i also thought it was interesting that emily
mentioned tlc in the same breath with ani
difranco and no one on this list seemed to
notice them, or care.  are we all very focused
or what???????????????

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hi!

i'm wondering if anyone knows how much a particular ig promo for 1200 curfews
is worth.  it has a wooden case, a guitar pic, and is limited and numbered.

please e-mail me privately if you have an idea of what this is worth.  i'm
trying to decide whether to purchase it or not.

thanks!
--md

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reply-to:     howard barlow/ssi1 <howard_barlow/ssi1.ssi1@notes-gw.tus.ssi1.com>
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subject:      "boys on the side" on laser disk (used)

i was in a video store on saturday and found 2 copies of
"boys on the side" on laser disk.  they were used, but looked
like they were still in real good shape.  i bought 1 on the copies
right away for myself (only $19.95).  i believe that they were extra
rental copies.  they usually buy several copies and sell all but
a couple after the first month or so.

if anyone is interested in a used laser disk version, e-mail me
privately.  i will be happy to pick it up for you.  (if it is still there)

cya,
- - howdy (howard.barlow@cdo.ssi1.com)

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subject:      re: strange fruit

i'm probably dreaming here but, didn't siouxsie sioux sing strange fruit
with the ig's at a couple or three shows?

sharon

sharon. a. jennings
cancer research campaign laboratories
univesity of nottingham
university park
nottingham
ng7  2rd                   (0115) 9513408
england                (0115) 9513414  (fax)

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subject:      boys on the side- uk only

the "boys on the side" video was released today (20/11/95) in the uk to
hire... guess what i'll be watching  at the weekend :) so we might be able
to buy it here in about six months time.

sharon

sharon. a. jennings
cancer research campaign laboratories
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university park
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excerpts from mail: 20-nov-95 re: strange fruit by sharon jennings@unix.ccc
> i'm probably dreaming here but, didn't siouxsie sioux sing strange fruit
> with the ig's at a couple or three shows?


yep!  one of them being in philly at the tower theater, on dec. 11th or
12th (i forget), 1992.

renee

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subject:      re: emily the technitian

sheri said:
(among other things)

unique.....come on...anyone on this list could hear a guitar solo and
recognize it as emily's playing.

you know, it's funny you should mention this, because it's true. i've heard
emily play on kristen hall's cd's, and even before i looked at the liner notes
i knew it was our beloved redhead. i could just tell. there's just something
about her style that really stands out.

btw, i loved everything else sheri said too. :)

folkisgruven,
l-

whoops! my sig got deleted.

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subject:      test

test

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subject:      got my t-shirt!
in-reply-to:  <199511200502.aaa00701@netspace.org>

hi all...i'm just a lurker who had to de-lurk cause she got her t-shirt
today!!!!!!  finally!   i love it...whether it was worth the wait...is as
of yet undetermined.  so when the girls tour again, everyone has to wear
their shirt so we can meet each other!!!!

thank you jon!

alexis....is happy

hey soulmate!  and hi to any other paradox users out there!

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        i'm so envious of those of you who have received their
shirts....i did not order when i had the chance and seem to be out of
luck.  so, i went searching for a way to get a shirt in austin texas
among the stores where i know there is a large indigo following.  hmmmm...
no luck there.         can someone help?  i guess i should stop posting
this nonesense and check out the indig web site huh?  so much for de-lurking.
hi intimatestrangr..............miss ya!    -----jamsey

        "i don't care, cause sometimes, i hear my voice and it's been
                        silent all these years"   -tori amos

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date:         mon, 20 nov 1995 12:33:05 est
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subject:      re: my final words re: emily the technician
x-to:         sheri stanley <sstanley@infinet.com>

geez, this is really an emotional subject!

ok - my final words.  i was comparing emily's technical ability to others in the
music business.  just about every bar band i've seen has a lead guitarist
playing more difficult leads than any of emily's leads.  i have seen 16 year old
kids, who just play in their rooms (not in any bands), who can blow me (and
emily) out of the water technique-wise (and i can play any of van halen,
zeppelin, hendrix-well, almost all of hendrix).  practically every song i heard
on the radio this morning driving to work had much more complex guitar work than
any ig song.  i must then conclude that emily's technical ability is pretty low
on the scale when comparing her to professional guitarists in the music
industry.

we are talking about music.  would you rather hear a million notes per second
or some real music?  much of the highly technical guitar music is boring to me
and i think to most listeners.  emily's music is very attractive to my ear and
that is her strength.

i love emily's playing!

rob

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subject:      e and her guitar

no, i don't play the guitar (though i wish i did) and i have little or no idea
what exceptional skills in that field are but, i have just one comment:

        it sounds _so_ good!!!!  who cares about anything besides that??!!??

i think we can all agree on the first part of that statement if not both.

just my thoughts -
avital
avital@lucy.cs.wisc.edu

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reply-to:     matthew j smith <mts5@aber.ac.uk>
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subject:      re: my final words re: emily the technician
x-to:         rob_sticka@ccmail.gsfc.nasa.gov

yeah, but if you put an acoustic in the hands of some of these guys, they
don't sound so good.   it's all production, effects and the fact that
electric strings are looser.   which is why emily managed to squeeze pretty
fast solos out of her electric on touch me fall / cortez the killer at
shepherds' bush empire last year (underneath the feed-back, that is) and why
eric clapton, once he got a martin 000 in his hands, had to slow down his
playing.

the genius electric players are probably all flat-pickers.   the geniuses of
the acoustic are mostly finger-pickers, or they use their smallest 3 fingers
as well as a flatpick.   plus, rock guitarists rely on keyboards and bass to
provide the actual backing for a long guitar solo.   the folk guitarist must
pick the bass and the treble - as emily usually does.

and you're right about technical guitar music.   apart from a bloke with a
guitar there's invariably nothing to it except for the over-production.
over here in the uk most guitar music is very basic these days, and it's a
reaction against technical, over-produced rubbish, a "back to basics"
approach, even if the tunes are not especially original.   in a recent poll
by making music, a free magazine distributed in british musicians' stores,
none of the guitarists who were rated in the poll were under 45.   is the
guitar, said the editor's note beneath, a dying art?   no, i would answer,
only self-indulgent, over- produced crap that used to be made on it.

mat
mts5@aber.ac.uk

>geez, this is really an emotional subject!
>
>ok - my final words.  i was comparing emily's technical ability to others
in the
>music business.  just about every bar band i've seen has a lead guitarist
>playing more difficult leads than any of emily's leads.  i have seen 16
year old
>kids, who just play in their rooms (not in any bands), who can blow me (and
>emily) out of the water technique-wise (and i can play any of van halen,
>zeppelin, hendrix-well, almost all of hendrix).  practically every song i heard
>on the radio this morning driving to work had much more complex guitar work
than
>any ig song.  i must then conclude that emily's technical ability is pretty low
>on the scale when comparing her to professional guitarists in the music
>industry.
>
>we are talking about music.  would you rather hear a million notes per second
>or some real music?  much of the highly technical guitar music is boring to me
>and i think to most listeners.  emily's music is very attractive to my ear and
>that is her strength.
>
>i love emily's playing!
>
>rob
>
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subject:      which t-shirt?

abrown2@zeus.towson.edu wrote:
"hi all...i'm just a lurker who had to de-lurk cause she got her t-shirt
today!!!!!!  finally!   i love it...whether it was worth the wait...is as
of yet undetermined.  so when the girls tour again, everyone has to wear
their shirt so we can meet each other!!!!

thank you jon!

alexis....is happy"

ok, i'm new here...  which t-shirt is this?  should i be looking for my
checkbook (i think it's under that pile of dust there.)?

neb
"music is the space between the notes." -- c. debussy
"lighting design is the space between the photons."--me
benjamin hay
resident lighting designer, washington shakespeare company
hayben@aol.com

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subject:      t-shirts & tennessee (sigc)

i got my t-shirt today too (for those that don't know, this is a list
t-shirt, made-up by jon miner, who *may* have a few left).  i also got my
daemon records t-shirt today (the new design), and the new mongrels cd,
which i'm listening to at this very moment -- a grand day all in all (and
it didn't rain, either).

oh, i'm off to tennessee for a few days tomorrow.  outside of the
ultra-touristy, does anyone have any suggestions of things to do in
nashville/memphis?

rebecca.

(for those who wanted the abbreviations list, it's being sorted
out....honest).

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                john miner....do you have any shirts left????
                        a fan that missed out....
                                --jamsey

        "i don't care, cause sometimes, i hear my voice and it's been
                        silent all these years"   -tori amos

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subject:      re[2]: nigc:  conservatives unite against "classic rock" (fwd)
x-to:         rsimpson <rsimpson@iusmail.ius.indiana.edu>

          on 11/18/95, rich wrote:
           "this garbage, nonsense, bullshit, right-wing, fascist
          christian, flop.  i say to myself, 'wow, what a bunch of
          close minded people.'"

            my dear rich, you are the close minded one!  "people"? no.
          that was the opinion of one person. for as open minded as
          you are claiming to be, you sure are being quick to judge
          christianity!  it does not work to have an open mind on
          everything except one particular group!  people(myself
          included) were more than eager to defend native americans
          during the world series, not to mention the obvious
          acceptance of homosexuality on this list.  why is the
          christian minority any different?  do not judge an entire
          group based on the few radicals!  do not assume that the
          opinion of one person is the opinion of everyone.  do not
          assume that the actions of one reflect the entire group.
                      thank you.     kimberly

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from:         "lisa a. ross" <rustyr@delphi.com>
subject:      shirts, etc

plaintive request for shirt info.  please.  and did anyone see my post about
the 24kt gold cd i found?  and a trivia question:  in 1991, ig played here in
memphis and one of their final songs had the lyrics "i can see my soul come
shining/from the west down to the east/any day now i shall be released."  does
anyone know the title/original artist for this one?
rustyr

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date:         mon, 20 nov 1995 21:31:53 -0500
reply-to:     jude shabry <hey_jude@brown.edu>
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from:         jude shabry <hey_jude@brown.edu>
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"lisa a. ross" <rustyr@delphi.com> writes:
> memphis and one of their final songs had the lyrics "i can see my soul come
> shining/from the west down to the east/any day now i shall be released."  doe
> anyone know the title/original artist for this one?

"i shall be released"  bob dylan

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date:         mon, 20 nov 1995 22:07:29 -0600
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subject:      the perils of sweet potato pie

i've returned.  sorry to have left you hanging ("we didn't mind"),
but i sat down to write this dang review and then realized i don't
actually remember much about newport 95.  so i had a little trouble
finding things to talk about.  but where there's a will, there's a
way!  let's press on...

                               * * *

well, as glinda said to dorothy, it's usually best to start at
the beginning.  i picked up tig and we drove to newport; then
the igs played and we drove home.

i'd like to amplify each part of that sentence.  i picked up tig
and we drove to newport.  we sort of covered this.

we camped on an island off rhode island.  tig pitched the tent
while i chopped wood for the fire.  then we whittled and chewed
tobacco til the stars came out.

apparently we woke up the next morning (that would be saturday).
i'm a little hazy here.

we hooked up with some people-you-probably-don't-know and shimmied
to fort adams state park.  it was the crack o' dawn.  one can not
expect decent seats at newport unless one gets up at the crack o'
dawn.

we arrived at the park to find some two-tree dozen people already
in line outside the chutes.  in case you haven't been to the nff,
the "chutes" are not the type down which one throws laundry.  they
are narrow lanes which lead to the festival grounds.  i call them
chutes because that's what shampine calls them.  i like shampine.

so basically, you wait in line for 3 hours or whatever.  eventually
someone in your party is entrusted with the tarp (leaving the others
to lug the cooler and chase down foul balls).  the gates are finally
unlocked amid much fanfare and trumpet-blowing.  a stampede ensues
as highly motivated tarp-carriers funnel through the chutes (here
you must bray like a donkey) and run hastily toward the stage.  each
runner claims her territory and then squats upon it til her friends
arrive bearing victuals.  that's how newport works, pretty much.

anyway (back to saturday morning) we sat on the semi-crowded cement
and tried to pretend there's more than sleep that matters.  it was
awful early.

well i had a delightful little math book with me and a full can of
diet pepsi.  i must've gotten engrossed in my reading (on mersenne)
("the blabbermouth") because, next thing, there's this carbonated
mississippi mighty rushing headlong toward the girl sitting next to
me.  she was wearing a dress (well, i was too, but mine was more of
a chiffon), and here comes the cola.

it nailed her squarely, i'm sorry to report, so she gathered up her
dress and bunched it up in her lap.  that's when my keen powers of
observation brought her very naked rear into focus.  the guy next
to her was also in the "no underpants" club, as i quickly learned.
to commemorate my discoveries, i made up a little verse which i
will share now:  "i saw more of you / than i wanted to / oh yeah,
oh yeah, oh yeah".

so the morning, like this post, inched on.  one by one, words like
"ibu" were welcomed into the english language as people completed
their defenseless crossword puzzles and guzzled their peach nectar.
meanwhile, the peoplescape changed.  at first it was so gradual that,
as with grecian formula, no one quite noticed.  but then new faces
began to appear busload by ominous busload...

..when, above the insistent hum of loud chatter and milling, came
a noise which gave us to pause..  "it started out low.  then it
started to grow..."

it was the sound of metal on metal.  someone was folding his chair.
and just like that, the comfy crowd in its roomy sprawled camps was
suddenly on its feet, fused into one suffocating blob and pressing
ever to the front.  someone at the back decides that this suitcase
will not close and we are squeezed even more, flush against strange
limbs, with barely room to "breathe or achoo" (sylvia plath).

and so the deck was reshuffled.  my new neighbors were fortunate
johnny-come-lately's, tig and company were downstream a 'ways and,
for my part, i had somehow managed a toehold near the front of chute
number two.  "i am our runner", i murmured.  as my far-away friends
nodded their tacit approval, i snaked an arm back toward them, past
unfamiliar waistbands and a curtain of someone's long scratchy hair.
the sacred blue tarp was in my hands.  i clutched it solemnly.

there was nothing to do now but wait.  oh, we'd wage small battles
a-plenty as we shift our weight, negotiate an elbow, wedge a strategic
knee where it ought not go.  too, we'd suffer our minor indignities
("excuse me, ma'am, but you just imprinted 'coleman' on my thigh.").
but, at bottom, we are caged like chumps in a phone queue.  and for
how much longer must i stand in this thick crowd, 'twixt hairy man
and chatty woman?  some higher newport power turns the hourglass for
the last time, and i am impatient for the final exam.

speaking of prisons, it was about this time that i heard one cheeky,
loose-lipped girl ("each life has its place") advising her friend
that they should crowd in, decoy-like, at one chute (!) while their
tarp-carrying cronies whisked through the adjacent chute.  (will the
reader please express outrage, or at least let out a faint gasp?)
you're as "cuddly as a cactus", i yearned to tell her.  "you have
garlic in your soul."  but then i was distracted by a sudden hubbub
in the bullpen.  the time was nigh.  dang my hip shoes.

i did a cbs chalkboard in my head:  lemonade across the mud and
breadboard around the corner.  quick kneecap toward the stage
and i'm jelly.  that was my game plan.  but this was no game.

i'm sprinting like a jubilant looter.  a lot races through one's
mind in 30 frantic seconds.  me, i wondered whether any other
29-year-olds were competing in the newport dash and--if so--would
i kick their hinies.  i wondered how high my deductible is.  i
asked myself if my songs would mean anything different to me after
i turned 30.  i thought about the unabomber, jay vs. dave, boxers
vs. briefs.  and when i finally laid out the tarp on a dang nice
spot, i remembered em congratulating herself with, "pretty good
for a girl!".  i spent the next 10 minutes rolling around on the
ground, clutching my side and wailing.

a long wait for my posse ensued.  i tried reading my book again,
but failed to get very far.  sometimes i think i have attention
deficit di

they showed up!  plenty o' time remained before the first act,
so tig and i sashayed out to see the mountains and mountains
o' booths.  our eyes widened with good old-fashioned greed as
we stocked up on seaweed, healing crystals, and soul-cleansing
incense.  i also bought tiggy a ring for her big toe (it seemed
the thing to do).

on to the music!  as i mentioned earlier, i don't actually recall
very much.  the nff was like 100 days ago.

laura "powerhouse" love opened.  after hearing her inspiring
rendition of 'amazing grace', i was gripped by the inexplicable
urge to ring the doorbells of complete strangers.

i don't remember anything about the next 7 or 8 acts.

john hiatt was a saturday guy.  he wore a flannel shirt which
was buttoned only once, right where one's washboard stomach (if
one had one) would begin to ripple.  with his shirt so askew, i
wondered if he knew how crooked it looked.  (those words don't
rhyme, for any toefl-ers out there.)

so he played brilliantly (i presume), the afternoon churned on,
and i began to notice just how sloppily i had applied my spf 17
sunblock (as my legs became a finger-paint canvas of helpless
pink splotches and lovely red swirls).

well, ol' johnny didn't give an encore, which provoked an uproar
from the cherry garcia-glutted mob.  gimme an h, someone demanded,
and we did.  but, like the family von trapp, ol jack wasn't coming
back, which fired up everyone the more.  each-life-has-its-place,
in particular, was extremely vocal. i thought sure that jh was her
idol and hero, she fought so hard.  my heart began to thaw (just
around the edges) (i forgot about the garlic)--when she announced
with sudden composure that she'd never even heard of john hiatt
prior to that day.

mary chapin carpenter headlined on saturday, and she is nearly
brilliant.  but i can't really think of anything else to say about
her.  maybe deep down i was just waiting for sunday and the igs.

                               * * *

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date:         mon, 20 nov 1995 22:21:00 -0600
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subject:      emily's hair

i'm new to this thing, so you all will have to bear with me.  i'm
thrilled to find a plethora of messages every day from fellow ig
fans.  after a day of mundane, unilluminating classes, it is so
refreshing to tap into the insight of so many ig fans.  you all make
life a little more enticing.  i do have a question, though. someone, in a
posting, referred to emily as "our beloved redhead".
isn't she blond? or perhaps i'm colorblind. she is beloved, however, and i
guess that is all that matters.

                                   ...pete

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