lifeblood: listlogs: 1995-11e

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date:         mon, 27 nov 1995 22:16:49 -0700
reply-to:     cranberry <ch002jt@arriba.nm.org>
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from:         cranberry <ch002jt@arriba.nm.org>
subject:      re: things i wouldn't have done if not for ig
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on mon, 27 nov 1995, stanley kulesza wrote:

> ps. hope i didn't bore you..... :| @% @% @%

no, that wasn't boring... i think it's cool how much everyone appreciates
indigo girls. :) i could write up a comparable list for ultima, but is
there anyone else here who plays ultima?

wait - i just thought up one more thing for my list:

spent hours thinking up meaningless (but fun) lists!
(i.e. complications! :) )

cran

just a quick note to say (belated) feliz cumpleanos to the list
mistress!!!!!!!!

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date:         tue, 28 nov 1995 00:37:00 -0500
reply-to:     cojehali@aol.com
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from:         "<connie lindell>" <cojehali@aol.com>
subject:      re: new orleans jazz fest
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in a message dated 95-11-27 14:21:42 est, inxsive@u.washington.edu (miranda
detore) writes:

>i have confidence that we will pull this off.  if we have to we can stay
>somewhere nearby and rent a big bus or something to drive to the
>festival.  i will find a way.  besides, it's not what you know, it's who
>you know in situations like this.  for all interested in the trip, i am
>compiling a list of all your names, and as soon as i can get more info
>about everything, i'll send private e-mails, followed by a list message.
>
>miranda

hey, miranda - thanks for all your efforts in pulling this together!  i just
wanted to make a couple of suggestions, which you may have already thought
of, but just in case.....there are tour companies who put together group
packages for the n.o. jazz fest each year, maybe one of them will have
reasonable prices?  also, there are some travel agencies who will put
together customized group tours - the agency i go to has someone who
specializes in that.  these agencies may have connections with some n.o.
hotels and be willing to work with a group of at least 10-15 or more!  the
burning question in my mind, tho is when will we know for sure that the ig's
will be playing?  the n.o. jazz fest web site doesn't have any mention of
them yet, tho it does acknowledge that the list of performers is incomplete.
  it would be a shame to go to all this effort and expense and have them not
show......but then it would also be a shame to put off getting reservations
until all the rooms are gone, while we're waiting to find out!!  let's hope
it all comes together, tho, 'cause it sure sounds like this could be a great
experience!   thanks again for doing the footwork!  :)

-connie

anyone have the words and guitar chords for back together again? i've
actually figured out the chord progression(not real complex stuff), but i
just want to double check. plus, i always botch up lyrics!

thanks!

*************************************************************
amanda johnson
northwestern university
ae-johnson@nwu.edu
                                                      "what is dark in me,
                                                              illumine...."
                                                                   -milton
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hi y'all!

i know there has been some talk here about the ig's using references to the
bible and christianity, etc., in their songs.  today i was listening to rop
and thinking about the fact that one of the things i really find fascinating
about the indigo girls' songs is all the references to the characters and
situations in greek mythology!   for example, the line in ghost (one of my
absolute fave ig songs) "now i see your face before me, i would launch a
thousand ships..", referring of course to helen of troy, the "face that
launched a thousand ships"... and again in the same song "to be weakened like
achilles, with you always at my heels..." then there's also the reference in
"hammer and a nail" - "i look a lot like narcissus.." and lots more, i'm
sure, that aren't coming to mind at this moment!  back when i was "young" ;)
i loved reading the stories of greek mythology over and over again.
everytime i catch a reference to gm in one of the ig's songs, and i think of
the story behind the reference, it gives a whole new depth to the meaning of
the song.  it's almost like a special, secret code that allows me to see
deeper into the meaning behind the song, which is very exciting!  plus,
which, the stories are fascinating in themselves (as are the songs!)  so
anyway, i was just wondering if anyone out there was into greek mythology as
well, or has gotten into it in an effort to seek out the deeper meanings
behind the ig references!  and if not, i highly recommend checking out a book
of greek myths from your local library! :)

-connie

just wanted to send out a very belated thank you to everyone who responded to
my post/query about the lyric in "hammer and a nail"!  i meant to print them
all out, peruse them, and respond back with my conclusions, but my #!%@
printer broke down (i keep meaning to get it fixed or replace it , but
procrastinator that i am, it still isn't fixed!)  then my boss was
unexpectedly laid off, throwing my work life into chaos, and well.....things
just snowballed from there!  but thanks to y'all, i think i have a much
clearer mental picture now of the meaning behind the lyric:

"i look behind my ears for the green
and even my sweat smells clean
glare off the white hurts my eyes"

loved the "moss" and "sesame street" references, btw!!   lol!   i don't
recall exactly who made which reference (darn printer anyway) and many folks
made similar interpretations, but i agree about the "green" being a
combination of "new/novice" as in "wet behind the ears" reference as well as
it being a reference to "green thumb" as in fertility or growing.  another
suggestion which makes a lot of sense was green being the mold (moss) that
gathers on something that is sitting around instead of getting up and moving
(getting out of bed and getting that hammer and nail!)  of course my sweat
smells "clean" if i'm sitting around not doing anything (getting dirty by
digging in the garden and tending that rose!) but then again, if i was just
sitting around, would i be sweating?  unless of course it was a really hot
day......oh don't mind me, i'm just rambling.  "glare off the white" was what
perplexed me the most, but the idea of it referring to sitting around in a
white (ivory) tower and not going out and doing; and the idea of the white
being the "purity" and "cleanliness" that come from sitting around and not
letting ourselves get involved with the real world makes a lot of sense as
well.  though conversely,  i notice that sitting around and not doing
anything in my house tends to cause dirt/dust and messiness to
accumulate!!.....not much purity and "white" around here! <g!>

anyway, thanks again!! :)

-connie

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date:         tue, 28 nov 1995 00:57:16 -0600
reply-to:     greg flamer <gflame@nwu.edu>
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from:         greg flamer <gflame@nwu.edu>
subject:      re: things i wouldn't have done if not for ig

cool thread!

--known what harmony means
--known how much i truly live for music
--known what the internet was
--known several of the coolest people on earth who all live far away and
yet are some of my closest friends and some of whom i've never even met.
--known anything about gay issues
--known that i love singing and may actually have a voice
--posted this nonsense

later y'all

greg

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date:         tue, 28 nov 1995 11:33:30 +0000
reply-to:     matthew j smith <mts5@aber.ac.uk>
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from:         matthew j smith <mts5@aber.ac.uk>
subject:      re: the bible really isn't sexist
x-to:         mr neil hunt <ph21nh@surrey.ac.uk>

>evening :)
>
<snip>
>
>and the catholic faith, with which i'm not so familiar
>has a woman as one of it's central icons, no??
>
yes, but the woman in question is a symbol of purity and virginity, and many
people think that the virgin birth story is a myth anyway.   bishop david
spong said that the vb is a myth concocted by celibate males to induce guilt
among women, and to make them subordinate.   apart from this episode the
virgin mary pretty much fizzles out of the story until the resurrection
where she re- surfaces as one of a number of weeping women (a prominent
feature in christian/ european literature as late as shakespeare).   the
virgin mary is not an icon to any woman who wants to be anything other than
a nun (indeed, it's her example which actually set off monastic movements
and orders).

>especially when compared to islam, and other world
>religions, i would say that christianity is prolly the
>fairest to all.
>
yes - muslims (even many muslim women) don't like to admit it, but in all
islamic societies you find islam being used as an excuse to oppress women
(although sometimes unfairly - islam guarantees women inheritance, but some
societies don't;  islam says women should show nothing but their hands and
face, yet some force women to cover all of their bodies;  islam certainly
doesn't say women can't drive, yet in saudi arabia they can't).   their
prophet is quoted as saying that a woman's testimony is worth only half that
of a man, because of their inferior intelligence.   (although some muslims
doubt the authenticity of these quotes.)

on the other hand, if you look at parts of the catechism published 3 years
ago, it is not very fair to women;  abortion is obviously out, but so is
contraception and divorce, and the pope apparently believes sex is only for
procreation.   the catholic church is becoming a haven for any kind of
reactionaries who are disgruntled at the liberalism of smaller churches (eg
women priests).   the pope also believes that human developments in the
church (eg clerical celibacy, which was introduced in the 13th century to
protect church property) are holy.   there are, however, strands of
feminism, gay activism and other liberal/radical traditions in the lower
echelons of the catholic church, many of whom choose to ignore the
prescriptions of the pope (according to the second vatican council).   there
are also a lot of charitable and compassionate organisations in the church
far removed from the power- political papacy (and i don't include mother
theresa, who sees her mission as getting converts and saving souls, and
whose hospices are some of the most depressing places on earth).

but yes, provided you are not planning on climbing the clerical ladder,
christianity is one of the fairest religions about.

mat
mts5@aber.ac.uk

>love is the answer. as john lennon once said...
>
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>  c      _)  guildford              and he doesn't like emotions,
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date:         tue, 28 nov 1995 07:29:19 -0500
reply-to:     nancy humphries <nancy@rbdc.rbdc.com>
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from:         nancy humphries <nancy@rbdc.rbdc.com>
subject:      watershed review in ew mag.

saw this last night and thought i'd post it to the list. it's a review
of "watershed" in the 12/1/95 issue of "entertainment weekly" magazine.

(reprinted without permission)

watershed: 10 years of underground video - indigo girls (1995, epic $19.98)

this hour-long collection of music videos and rare footage (a companion to
the duo's live concert album '1200 curfews') spans the granola gals' entire
career - from chatting on a local atlanta cable show to strumming a spare
cbgb set four days before signing their deal to lounging on colorado's red
rocks amphitheatre stage and musing about relationships. highlights include
the folk-rockers' cathartic jangling before hordes of fans at their 1990
rain-forest benefit concerts and on 1995's honor the earth tour. the girls
are most fervent in the snippets of their numerous charity shows, which makes
you wonder how they've maintained such naive optimism over 12 years of
touring.

grade: b

-tiarra mukheriee

nancy humphries
nancy@rbdc.rbdc.com

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date:         tue, 28 nov 1995 08:33:01 -0500
reply-to:     "stephen n. spencer" <spencer@emily.cgrg.ohio-state.edu>
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from:         "stephen n. spencer" <spencer@emily.cgrg.ohio-state.edu>
subject:      re: finlandia
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"finlandia" is a sibelius composition, which the girls recorded on
their 1986 ep.

finlandia

this is my song, o god of all the nations
a song of peace for lands afar and mine
this is my home, the country where my heart is
here are my hopes and dreams, my holy shrine
but other hearts in other lands are beating
with hopes and dreams as true and high as mine.

my country's skies are bluer than the ocean
and sunlight beams on clover leaf and pine
but other lands have sunlight, too, and clover
and skies are everywhere as blue as mine
o hear my song, thou god of all the nations
a song of peace for their land and for mine.

stephen n. spencer          614.292.3416 (v)       graphics research specialist
spencer@siggraph.org        614.292.7776 (f)  accad - the ohio state university
spencer@cgrg.ohio-state.edu                  siggraph director for publications
"oh you set up your place in my thoughts/moved in and made my thinking crowded"

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date:         tue, 28 nov 1995 08:40:53 -0400
reply-to:     susan swann <sswann@pace.atl.ga.us>
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from:         susan swann <sswann@pace.atl.ga.us>
organization: pace academy
subject:      re: the bible really isn't sexist

i wanted to comment on this, but forgive me if i say anything wrong.  i don't
have the scripture in front of me to quote from or to support my knowledge
right now.  in the bible, it states that we (men, women, whatever) are all
equal in god's eyes.  no one is superior to another.  god is the superior.
god made man from himself, and it was intended from day one that men should be
the one in the family to work and make a living.  women were, in that culture,
to stay home and raise their children.  i don't think that the bible is
sexist.  maybe in this culture it is considered that, but back then, it was
perfectly normal for men to be the dominant roles.

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date:         tue, 28 nov 1995 09:04:12 -0400
reply-to:     susan swann <sswann@pace.atl.ga.us>
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subject:      nigc-jem

jem
jem is excitement
ooooooooh jem
jem is adventure
ooooooooh
glamour and glitter
fashion and fame
jem
she's truly outrageous
truly, truly, truly outrageous
whoooooaaaaaaah
jem
jem the music's contageous
jem is my name
no one else is the same
jem is my name
jem!

does anyone remember that rockin' cartoon, jem???  i do!!!  she had pink hair
and a pink convertible.  her band was called jem and the holograms.  i have a
band like jem and the holograms.  she had magic earrings that could change her
from her normal, ordinary self into. . .
jem!!!
jem is outrageous!!!  her friends had blue and purple hair.  they were
soooooooooooooooooooooooooo cool!!!

anyway, let's all remember jem and her everlasting influence on the future
leaders of the world.

-susan

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date:         tue, 28 nov 1995 09:07:56 -0400
reply-to:     susan swann <sswann@pace.atl.ga.us>
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from:         susan swann <sswann@pace.atl.ga.us>
organization: pace academy
subject:      nigc-question

if you click on my name when i send letters, do you get my awesome resume???

hi all,
        i have read the posts about the bible with great interest.
anyone who is interested in learning about the origins of some of the
"traditional" attitudes of christianity in general and toward women in
particular might want to read "gnostic gospels" by elaine pagels.  she
delves into the books that were written yet left out of the new testament
such as one written by mary magdalene (did i spell that right?).  she
talks about how the early christian sects became consolidated and why
they chose certain ways of doing things such as not allowing women as
priests (once it became the "orthodox" church) and demanding that priests
not only not marry but also be celibate.

meg greenspoon

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date:         tue, 28 nov 1995 10:19:14 -0500
reply-to:     betsy macmillan <macmilla@winnie.fit.edu>
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from:         betsy macmillan <macmilla@winnie.fit.edu>
subject:      ig on disney??

does anyone know if the disney channel is going to air the
ig special again? i just met someone with full cable :)

thanks,
betsy, a.k.a. boots macmilla@fit.edu (florida tech)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
i don't think this has anything to do with me;
but did you ever think you could be wrong? - ferron
i will not be complacent! either :)

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date:         tue, 28 nov 1995 11:42:46 -0500
reply-to:     katie mccurry <ktm@utkux.utcc.utk.edu>
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from:         katie mccurry <ktm@utkux.utcc.utk.edu>
subject:      re: nigc-jem
x-to:         susan swann <sswann@pace.atl.ga.us>
in-reply-to:  <88134.ensmtp@pace.atl.ga.us>

jem rox!!!! ( my dad's initials are jem--isn't that crazy????) have a
great day everybody!!! indigolove, katie :-) ><]]]'>

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date:         tue, 28 nov 1995 16:22:42 gmt
reply-to:     julie meloni <dmon@hidwater.com>
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from:         julie meloni <dmon@hidwater.com>
subject:      nigc: mm's xmas in the attic tape

michelle malone is still selling her "christmas in the attic" cassettes,
with all proceeds going to our house, a shelter for homeless families. the
casette is $15 which includes shipping, and is available via an order form
on her www site at

http://www.hidwater.com/bds/

this cassette is a heck of a lot of fun -- recorded in 1992 at eddie's
attic, it features michelle singing santa's coming to town, santa baby,
please come home for christmas, i'll be home for christmas, twas the night
before christmas (non traditional), here comes santa claus, the christmas
song, rudolph the red-nosed reindeer, let it snow, and have yourself a merry
little christmas.

i actually am a big scrooge and don't like xmas carols and holiday songs and
what not, but i love this tape!

donations to our house are also graciously accepted at the address provided
on the form.

happy holidays (of all sorts)

julie meloni
dmon@hidwater.com
hidden water ... http://www.hidwater.com/

i had just a twinge of a sort of sinking feeling when, seeing the indigo
girls for the very first time, never having even heard of them before (yes,
such ignorance is possible!!!) on tv in that london concert when the bbc
repeated it earlier this year, i was having such a great feeling of
enjoyment, when the camera pulled back and panned the front rows of the
audience. uh oh, there's something just everso slightly out of kilter here i
thought to myself - that audience looks just a little bit like what i might
expect a greenbelt audience to look like...lets hope i'm wrong, or i may be
in for a big disappointment with these 2 women who are so amazing
thats what i thought back in the earlier part of this year
since then, i have become pretty much addicted to those two women and their
music.

great list i thought, when i finally managed to join a few days ago
however...... all this bible talk!!!!! could you possibly have it in an
appendix or something ....
my sinking twingey feeling all those hours of music and fun ago was correct
it seems

i expect y'all be a wee bit cross for my rudeness in saying this???

first impressions, and all that.

>>sender: indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
>>from: median cat <ccp5913@acs.tamu.edu>
>>subject:      shades of indigo for sale
>>to: multiple recipients of list indigo-girls
>>              <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
>>
>>hey y'all-
>>if anyone doesn't have 'shades' and wants to own it and actually has money
>>this holiday season, i've just received a note from a record store i've
>>bought stuff from before saying they have a copy for sale for $50.  the
>>letter's dated nov. 13th, so there's no telling if they still have it, but
>>if you're interested enough to try contacting them, e-mail me privately and
>>i'll send you info on how to reach them.
>>
>>cylinda
>>ccp5913@acs.tamu.edu              "no way construction of this tricky plan
>>                                     ** was built by other than a greater
hand "
>>                                                     - emily saliers
>
>
>
>ha! and ah ha! long time mystery solved & i'm kinda sorry about that.
>**this is the very line that on my tapes emily re-renders as the infamous,
the profound, the very moving,
>
>                "goodbye other than a plate of ham"
>
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date:         tue, 28 nov 1995 12:18:09 -0500
reply-to:     michelle rena weiss <mweiss@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu>
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from:         michelle rena weiss <mweiss@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu>
subject:      bootlegs

hey everyone...i am also new to the list and interested in getting some
more bootlegs...the only one i have now is "days of wine and
roses"...that's the radio city music hall show...if anyone is interested
in doing a trade or would let me tape their stuff...let me know...

michelle

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date:         tue, 28 nov 1995 19:04:25 +0500
reply-to:     sharon jennings <rcxsj@unix.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk>
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from:         sharon jennings <rcxsj@unix.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk>
subject:      re: e.s. quote/ a.r. quote?

>on mon, 27 nov 1995, sharon jennings wrote:
>
>> "teach me oh goddess of wit" amy ray
>
>i was just wondering- did amy say this or is this a plea to amy? and if
>amy said it what was the context?
>
>also...

"teach me oh goddess of wit" is an amy quote. it's from the watershed
video. someone hands two flowers to emily and amy takes one. emily makes
some comment about amy reaching out her greed little hand and taking the
flower that was meant for her. amy pauses for a moment and then says "teach
me oh goddess of wit". i thought that amy's respone was so funny.... an
american who gets irony :) it could well be a plea thought too :)

>on mon, 27 nov 1995, dianne connell wrote:
>
>> "if you want to know the secret behind a smile you've got to ask a
>> tuesday's child." --e.s.
>
>sorry if this has been asked before but does anyone know what the
>significance of "tuesday's child" is, what it means, where it came frome,
>etc.?
>
>i guess i've just been reading everybody's sigs lately.
>
>:) jenn

tuesday's children is an early amy song from way back when they were
calling themselves the b-band. here are the lyrics from the life blood
site.... everyone go and pay a visit because it's a great source of
information.

tuesday's children

tuesday's children
we're falling short of time
let's hope we never fall short of love
memories linger like the fog on the sea
keeping me out of touch with my reality
nothing could ever mean as much to me
as tuesday's children

sometimes i feel like i'm falling short of myself
who i am
what i choose to be
most of the time tuesday's children
brings it all back and down to me

these people
these friends of ours
let's put them on another day
just leave me tuesdays children
i can face the world my own way

times like these make me wish
everyday was a tuesday
tuesday's children
you've been so good to me
tuesday's children

words and music amy ray

take care all
i get to the usa on the 9th of january.... see you all at newport and new
orleans!!!

sharon

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subject:      jazz festival camping?

hey y'all,

    so it looks like it might be a little difficult to pull a block of
hotel rooms together for the new orleans jazz festival.  i've never been to
new orleans, the second reason why it would be good to go, so i don't know
what the camping situation is like around there.  but i didn't know much
about camping situations driving from new mexico to oregon as i followed ig
on the honor the earth tour either.  i spent three weeks sleeping in the
back of a '66 ford truck
at rest stops, national parks, city parks, or just off the side of the road
in utah. the only time we got a hotel room was when we pulled into major
towns and needed to shower before checking out the local gay bars. going 5
or six days without a shower was a trip at first. i actually really got
into being so stinking dirty. kinda like extreme commuting with nature and
yourself.  what a feeling of freedom! i cannot express in words how that
whole trip and experience changed the way i live my life.
     so to make a short story long....does anyone in the area know about
the camping situation around new orleans?  would anyone else be interested
in doing something in nature, rather than in a building?
        (oh yea, what's the weather like there in april/may?  is it like
really rainy or something?)

--sunny

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date:         tue, 28 nov 1995 13:18:50 -0500
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at 9:04 am 11/28/95, susan swann wrote:
>jem
>jem is excitement
>ooooooooh jem
>jem is adventure
>ooooooooh
>glamour and glitter
>fashion and fame
>jem
>she's truly outrageous
>truly, truly, truly outrageous
>whoooooaaaaaaah
>jem
>jem the music's contageous
>jem is my name
>no one else is the same
>jem is my name
>jem!
>
>
>does anyone remember that rockin' cartoon, jem???  i do!!!  she had pink hair
>and a pink convertible.  her band was called jem and the holograms.  i have a
>band like jem and the holograms.  she had magic earrings that could change her
>from her normal, ordinary self into. . .
>jem!!!
>jem is outrageous!!!  her friends had blue and purple hair.  they were
>soooooooooooooooooooooooooo cool!!!
>
>anyway, let's all remember jem and her everlasting influence on the future
>leaders of the world.
>
>-susan
>oh migod! i can't believe anyone else on earth remembers jem and the
>holograms! they ruled! i have a band but they have boring, regular colored
>hair......does anyone know who the woman was that sang the theme song? i
>know it wasn't kim wilde but it sounded alot like her. wow! i'm 13
>again.......truly outrageous
>
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from:         matthew j smith <mts5@aber.ac.uk>
subject:      re: the bible
x-to:         greenspoon marian e <megree@mail.wm.edu>

well, that's very interesting.   i never even knew that some books had been
edited out of the new testament - is this the work of paul as well?
certainly the catholic church didn't insist on celibacy in the priesthood
until the 1200s, to stop the widows of priests getting hold of church
property.   the sects she is probably referring to are not those which
emerged in europe (which became the catholic, and later protestant and
orthodox churches) but those in palestine (or whatever it was called) at
that time.   if they were expected not to marry, then they would certainly
have been expected to be celibate, since sex before / outside of marriage
was out, no question of it.   (for women fornication  imposed a death
sentence, at least as prescribed in deuteronomy, and adultery did for anyone.)

who else wrote these edited-out books? does it say why they were left out
(presumably mary m's because she was a woman, and a prostitute at that).
are they like the apocrypha in the old testament, and if so shouldn't they
have a special section in the new testament?

mat
mts5@aber.ac.uk

>hi all,
>        i have read the posts about the bible with great interest.
>anyone who is interested in learning about the origins of some of the
>"traditional" attitudes of christianity in general and toward women in
>particular might want to read "gnostic gospels" by elaine pagels.  she
>delves into the books that were written yet left out of the new testament
>such as one written by mary magdalene (did i spell that right?).  she
>talks about how the early christian sects became consolidated and why
>they chose certain ways of doing things such as not allowing women as
>priests (once it became the "orthodox" church) and demanding that priests
>not only not marry but also be celibate.
>
>meg greenspoon
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subject:      nigc letters to/from cleo?

the album letters (is it to or from) cleo was suggested as a christmas gift.
who is it by?

jude :) <==has to keep away from the delete button>

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date:         tue, 28 nov 1995 14:39:46 -0500
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subject:      a couple of things

just a couple of things.

1) what exactly *is* "shades of indigo"? bootleg? promo disc?
and why is it worth $50?

2) i got my t-shirt today! {thank you, jon!} it looks *great*. :)

also: i'm actually all caught up on my bootlegs.  {aren't you proud
of me? ;) }  my fiance is slowly getting over the mono {his
afternoon nap is down from 5 hrs to around one hour :) }, we've
tenatively set a date for july 1996 {eeeeeeek!  i have to plan a
wedding! nooooo! ;) }, and finals are next week.  too much
happening at once!

:)
nadyne

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subject:      re: jazz festival camping?
in-reply-to:  <v01510101ace08f4ac874@[198.59.115.127]>

as another one on a serious budget (poor british exchange student and
all...) i'd consider anything that'll bring the cost of the trip down.

assuming the festival's in the spring/summer, camping shouldn't be much of
a problem in terms of weather. i'll have a hunt around and see if i can
find out anything about sites/parks in the area.

anyone else fancy a night or two in the great outdoors?

rebecca.

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     "a dreamer is one who can only find his way by moonlight, and his
     punishment is that he sees the dawn before the rest of the world"
                                                        oscar wilde

there were i think two different t-shirts for sale by you guys in the past
month or so.
whoever was selling them, can you send me some mail describing them, and if
there are any left? thanx a ton.
alex

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date:         tue, 28 nov 1995 12:48:37 -0800
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x-to:         albuquerque hydroponics and lighting <ahl@swcp.com>
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hi sunny, and everyone!

i have thought about camping as an alternative to a hotel.  it might end
up as our only option anyway!!  i promise to send a message to the list
as soon as i get a handle on this.  i have all of your names if you have
already e-mailed me expressing interest.

talk at you later

miranda

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subject:      re: e.s. quote/ a.r. quote?
x-to:         jennifer kim lerner <jlerner@amy23.stanford.edu>
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> "if you want to know the secret behind a smile you've got to ask a
> tuesday's child." --e.s.

sorry if this has been asked before but does anyone know what the
significance of "tuesday's child" is, what it means, where it came frome,
etc.?

i guess i've just been reading everybody's sigs lately.

:) jenn

i don't know about the lyrics to the song, but i think the reference
might come form an old nursery rhyme that has to do with the
personalities of people being based on teh day they were born.
"monday's child is fair of face,
tuesday's child is full of grace.
wednesday's child if full of woe
thursday's child has far to go
friday's child works hard for its living
saturday's child is loving and giving.
but the child that's born on the sabbath day is bonny and blithe and good
and gay.

now what that has to do with the song, i don't know. sorry if this was a
waste of bandwidth.
parker
(a monday's child)
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hi everyone,
  this thread finally prompted me to de-lurk after a couple of weeks
reading the list.  i definitely would not have made it through my time in
the arctic without ig.  i worked at a weather station in nwt which, by
virtue of its location, featured no trees and about 6 weeks of darkness
during the winter.  i don't know how many times ig lifted my spirits and
renewed my hope that tomorrow would be a better day, particularly wf
after a long shift.
  shifting topics slightly, i was fortunate enough to be able to catch the
broadcast on dnto (on cbc) last saturday but unfortunate enough not to
have been home in winnipeg the one time that ig played there.  i hope that all
of you who have seen multiple shows (or any show for that matter) will keep a
special place in your hearts for those of us who haven't (yet).

bye for now,

bret

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hi y'all,

according to mtvg : tuesday november 28

> 11:35 -12:35 cbs - david letterman - indigo girls

don't know if it is a repeat, but set up the vcr's n-y-wayz!!

aneeza :-)

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ok, i was in the front row that night with my friends as was neil.... what
is a greenbelt audience? a very confused brit who'll be in the usa real
soon :)

sharon

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hey ya'll!
when is the jazz festival???

-jan

>jem
>jem is excitement
>ooooooooh jem
>jem is adventure
>ooooooooh
>glamour and glitter
>fashion and fame
>jem
>she's truly outrageous
>truly, truly, truly outrageous
>whoooooaaaaaaah
>jem
>jem the music's contageous
>jem is my name
>no one else is the same
>jem is my name
>jem!
>

>does anyone remember that rockin' cartoon, jem???  i do!!!  she had pink
hair
>and a pink convertible.  her band was called jem and the holograms.  i have
a
>band like jem and the holograms.  she had magic earrings that could change
her
>from her normal, ordinary self into. . .
>jem!!!
>jem is outrageous!!!  her friends had blue and purple hair.  they were
>soooooooooooooooooooooooooo cool!!!

>anyway, let's all remember jem and her everlasting influence on the future
>leaders of the world.

>-susan

okay, who gave susan the acid laced mushrooms? ("grin!")
actually, i do remember her, she was on the usa network, right after (or
before?) he-man, master of the universe and she-ra, the princess of power!
i only remembered this because i was picked on mercilessly in kindergarten,
and they used to call me she-ra (my last name's scherer), which is tough for
a six year old guy to take!!
did i ever watch that show??
"i refuse to answer that question, on the grounds it may incriminate me."
anyway, some of those kindergarten bullies may be reading this! (although
chances are they're not on this list, they're on the anthrax mailing-list
instead! :-)

bye now,
alex

oh, by the way, i'm relatively new to this mailing list business, so could
someone tell me if i'm doing this right?? do i send replies to the person or
the list, cause pushing the little reply button gives me the persons address,
but not ig@netspace...

well, i was at one of the gigs at the shepherds' bush empire that week and i
can assure you that the front rows of the audience was no "green belt"
audience, in fact they looked like they were mostly girls who were often
positively hysterical. they looked very alive, and they sung the "na na
na-na na-na na" bits with the same reckless abandon as those on the 1200c
version.

on the other hand, british audiences are well-known for their reserve when
it comes to folk gigs (although i doubt very much whether ig attracts quite
the same audience as, say, nic jones or bert jansch).   if this was a folk
festival the situation would be quite different.   eliza carthy (daughter of
folk singers martin carthy and norma waterson) and nancy kerr, two young
fiddlers, say that at folk-club gigs people sit *appreciatively* and listen,
whereas at festivals (eg cambridge, guildford) they get up and dance.
richard thompson said to one audience (ie the one in croydon earlier this
year which included me) that he'd played his song don't sit on my jimmy
shands to an audience in wales ("you know what they're like down there") and
to one in basingstoke;  and he'd like us to sing along "somewhere in between
... but preferably not near the basingstoke end".   and ani di franco told
folk roots magazine about nic jones turning round and playing a gig facing
the wall when the audience were none too responsive.

but english as they were, i'm still pretty sure that this audience were
pretty much alive.

mat
mts5@aber.ac.uk

>i had just a twinge of a sort of sinking feeling when, seeing the indigo
>girls for the very first time, never having even heard of them before (yes,
>such ignorance is possible!!!) on tv in that london concert when the bbc
>repeated it earlier this year, i was having such a great feeling of
>enjoyment, when the camera pulled back and panned the front rows of the
>audience. uh oh, there's something just everso slightly out of kilter here i
>thought to myself - that audience looks just a little bit like what i might
>expect a greenbelt audience to look like...lets hope i'm wrong, or i may be
>in for a big disappointment with these 2 women who are so amazing
>thats what i thought back in the earlier part of this year
>since then, i have become pretty much addicted to those two women and their
>music.
>
>great list i thought, when i finally managed to join a few days ago
>however...... all this bible talk!!!!! could you possibly have it in an
>appendix or something ....
>my sinking twingey feeling all those hours of music and fun ago was correct
>it seems
>
>i expect y'all be a wee bit cross for my rudeness in saying this???
>
>first impressions, and all that.
>
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on mon, 27 nov 1995, median cat <ccp5913@acs.tamu.edu> wrote:
>if anyone doesn't have 'shades' and wants to own it and actually has money
>this holiday season, i've just received a note from a record store i've
>bought stuff from before saying they have a copy for sale for $50. the
>letter's dated nov. 13th, so there's no telling if they still have it, but
>if you're interested enough to try contacting them, e-mail me privately and
>i'll send you info on how to reach them.

if you want it for a helluva lot less than $50, e-mail me! i think $50 is
way overpriced. i mean no unkindness toward cylinda, however, as she was
just posting info for a store that is offering it; it was nice of her to
offer the info! i do have a better way, though... :)

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well, i was pleasantly surprised to find that there were actually several of
you interested in my comment on infinity. (whew! i was afraid you'd kick me
off the list for such a silly comment. :) it's a topic worthy of discussion,
but perhaps not here.

i just wanted to say something about all this bible discussion (hopefully
without ruffling too many feathers.) i read dory's post about leaving this
list after receiving angry messages in response to her ideas about the bible,
and i must say i'm _disappointed_. i'm disappointed that we'd let religious
differences divide us. guess what...some of us are christians, some of us are
atheists, some of us don't care. and guess what...that's ok!!!! here's my take
on this whole issue: some people believe that women can't be priests, that sex
before marriage, birth control, abortion, and divorce are all sins. some
people beleive that men are smarter, or better or whatever than women. some
people beleive that homosexuality is a sin. and so on. i think it's safe to
say that _most_ of the people on this list disagree with _most_ of the above
beliefs. what we have to understand is that _all_ of the above come from
groups of people who believe they are following the teachings of the bible. on
the other hand, there are other groups of people who read the same bible and
believe that we are all equal in god's eyes, and that women can be anything
they want to be, and that sex is a beautiful expression of love between two
individuals, and beyond that it's none of anyone else's business. so maybe the
bible isn't necessarily the issue here. neither is god, or christianity, or
catholisism, or even the pope. the issue is the beliefs. i vehemently
disagree with the belief that i'll rot in hell for having sex before
marriage, or for using birth control. i don't hate anyone who holds this
belief. i don't hate the bible because someone has used it to justify this
belief. i simply disagree with the belief. we can run around in circles
forever arguing over who's god is better, and who's interpretation of the
bible is right. let's not lose our tempers accusing _people_ for holding one
belief or another. let's just concetrate on how we feel about the beliefs and
practices themselves. not that we should be doing _any_ of this on this list!
:)
i don't mean for this to sound all angry and accusing. i realize that most of
us are having a very open minded, light hearted discussion. it just really
upsets me that someone felt the need to leave because she received angry
responses to her opinion.
to the new person who was concerned that we spend all our time talking about
the bible: no we don't. this is a new thing, and i'm sure i've just stirred
things up again, but it'll go away soon. :)

folkisgruven y'all,
lorindigo
    i           will            not        be               complacent
lorinda wright           "learn to pretend there's more than love that
lw01@lehigh.edu           matters. -e.s.
lehigh university         "the apathy of time laughs in my face
bethlehem, pa             you say each life has its place. -e.s.
    i           will            not         be              complacent

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>
>ok, i was in the front row that night with my friends as was neil.... what
>is a greenbelt audience? a very confused brit who'll be in the usa real
>soon :)
>
a greenbelt audience refers to the "rural" preserved areas around british
cities (there is probably one in nottingham). they may have them in the
states, i don't know, but she probably meant they looked really middle-class
and reserved. in the green belt south of london there are a lot of well-off
people (the area along the a25 road in the north downs (south of london) is
called the stockbroker belt, because house and living costs are high, it's a
desirable area, it's got "good tone" and therefore a lot of rich commuters
live there and vote tory.

mat
mts5@aber.ac.uk
>sharon
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date: tue, 28 nov 1995 09:38:00 -0500
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        krisoz@aol.com, gin@indigo.uthscsa.edu, tig@falcon.cc.ukans.edu,
        ccp5913@acs.tamu.edu, rainy@mindspring.com, kopykat@mindspring.com,
        djc6028@is2.nyu.edu, slf104@psuvm.psu.edu, dld009@acad.drake.edu,
        underdog@onramp.net, daw3@wonder.em.cdc.gov, cmd8503@email.unc.edu,
        llevy03@emory.edu, thpft@aol.com, deanna@dcez.com,
        sclark@anthem.nlm.nih.gov, rcxsj@unix.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk,
        mellogroov@aol.com, okeeffe@lclark.edu, lmartin@center.colgate.edu,
        bonnie.edwards@actamed.com, mellie@monsterbit.com, lw01@lehigh.edu,
        matt.nicholls@uk.cray.com, libcm@emory.edu, irving@chaph.usc.edu,
        dyqf47a@prodigy.com, karen@klwest.demon.co.uk,
        kcizas@cgrg.ohio-state.edu, th_ind01@oswego.oswego.edu,
        water@mindspring.com, cjwilliams@getty.edu, darglass@owlnet.rice.edu,
        rohrer@seas.gwu.edu, me_poulos@acad.fandm.edu, reb22@hermes.cam.ac.uk,
        loreq@primenet.com, n9243170@henson.cc.wwu.edu, tbanked@aol.com,
        scrreech@aol.com, carrieb@gladstone.uoregon.edu
subject: wendy bucklew tourdates

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hey y'all!
    these are the latest wendy bucklew tourdates for dec. and january...keep
an eye out for further additions.  for those of you who are unfamiliar w/
wendy bucklew's music, you owe it to yourselves to check her out (you can
order _painting sidewalks_ at 1(800) 636-6166).  her sound is something like
a
cross b/w rickie lee jones, janis joplin, and edie brickell...only she's
about
ten times better than all that...
dec 1 atlanta ga--cotton club w/billy pilgrim
dec 6 atlanta ga--eddie's attic (2 shows; 7:00 show is all-ages and
smokeless)
dec 7 athens oh--casa cantina
dec 8 columbus oh--chelsie's (w/billy pilgrim)
dec 19 atlanta ga--hard rock
dec 22 columbia sc--elbow room (w/billy pilgrim)
dec 30 charlotte, nc--moon room
dec 31 atlanta ga--red light cafe (w/caroline aiken)
jan 5 atlanta ga--eddie's attic (2 shows)
jan 29 charoltte, nc--moon room

hi everyone
sorry to use the bandwidth, but i need to get a message to carolyn spidle
and cant find her email address

carolyn, thanks for being so kind! i'll post on the tapes if you could email
me with yr address again

fiona :)

btw everyone, i think we should all aim to camp out at new orleans and make
internet history! ;)

mary magdalene was not a prostitute. no where in the bible does it say
that. this is a myth perpetuated by men in the early church who tended to
lump all of the female biblical characters into one person. please correct
your thinking.

mat wrote on 28 november 1995 at 6:17 p.m.
>
>who else wrote these edited-out books? does it say why they were left out
>(presumably mary m's because she was a woman, and a prostitute at that).

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funny enough, i got your e-mail address from that disgusting message sent
out by those four guys from cornell.  but anyways, my name is amy scuderi
and i would love for somebody to tell me what your organization is
about.  i think the indigo girls are extrememly talented and i love their
music.  so, if somebody could just drop me a note to me know what you
guys are about, i would greatly appreciate it.  thank you for your time.
thanks,
amy scuderi
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subject:      nigc: bible not sexist

for one to be dominant, requires that the other be subordinant. this
is an unequal relationship. in the bible,
in the culture and time period from which the bible came, power
relationships were unequal. this was dictated
by society, legitamized by laws to maintain social order, and was
reinforced by religious practice. males, due to
their place in the social order, had more choices than women, choices
are a direct result of access to power. if a
womans place is defined by a man, be it her husband, father, brother,
or nearest male relative, and a mans' place
defined by things inherently his, be it his job, his lands, or his
political position, then the woman is made
dependant on man. dependance is also a relflection of power, or more
appropriately the lack there of. anything
that reinforeces an uneaqual distribution of power between the sexes
is sexist. hence the bible is sexist.

maritza

to:
subject: re: the bible really isn't sexist

for one to be dominant, requires that the other be subordinant. this
is an unequal relationship. in the bible,
in the culture and time period from which the bible came power
relationships were unequal. this was dictated
by society, legitamized by laws to maintain social order, and was
reinforced by religious practice. males, due to
their place in the social order, had more choices than women, choices
are a direct result of acess to power. if a
womans place is defined by a man, be it her husband, father, brother,
or nearest male relative, and a mans place
defined by his things inherently his, be it his job, his lands, or
his political position, then the woman is made
dependant on man. dependance is also a relflection of power, or more
appropriately the lack there of. anything
that reinforeces an uneaqual distribution of power between the sexes
is sexist. hence the bible is sexist.

maritza

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>hey ya'll!
>when is the jazz festival???
>
>-jan

it's scheduled to take place april 26th thru may 5th.

deb
debbie@mei.com

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hi all-
        big doings down here for new year's. in reverse chronological
order, eddie's attic will have millan & kenzie and michelle penn band for
new year's eve. in a surprising yet fun move, he's asked both bands to
bring their entire acoustic/electric/drums setup, which means a full
blown party at the attic. dancing in the aisles. michelle plays until the
champagne toast at midnight, and then m&k play until we feel like
stopping. (for the gear-head musicians in the crowd, the m&k show now
entails 7 guitars (alvarez, paul reed smith, fender, and takamine), 3
basses (fender, g&l fretless, and my old upright), drums and percussion.
there's talk of a guest percussionist, but we don't know yet...)
        earlier than that, and especially for net people, perry thompson
of rainy day records is putting on his 3rd (4th?) annual all-day new
year's eve party. this is primarily advertised to people on the net, and
will feature *free* munchie-type food and drink, and a whole bunch of
music.
        instead of a stage, this year he's asked the musicians to simply
show up and play, and instead of a schedule, he's asked them to play with
whoever else happens to be around at the same time. the potential for
one-of-a-kind musical collaborations is huge. the last i heard, he had
about 20 musicians confirmed to show up at one point or another.
        last, and certainly not least, new year's eve is a sunday, and
the 99x locals only show that morning will feature an interview and
performance by millan & kenzie, as well as the first public airing of
songs from our new live cassette-only release, recorded a few months ago
at smith's olde bar in atlanta. call in and say "hi!"...
        so maybe it's not quite as hip as ig in new orleans, but it's a
lot cheaper, and it's been a blast every year so far- if you've never
heard of this party, ask around some of the old-timers on the list,
they'll tell some amazing stories...
        -chris

visit
http://www.hidwater.com/rdr/milkenzie/
please

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hi,
        i was probably mistaken about the celibacy if that didn't come
about until the 12th century.  it has been about 4 years since i read the
book and have been inundated with textbooks for classes since then and i
don't own the book.  i am pretty sure that marriage was not allowed
though.  the books were left out because as the different sects of early
christianity were merging or dying out the heads of the orthodox church
decided which books were valid and which weren't.  elaine pagels talks
about the political, economic, and social reasons for those decisions.
she also talks about the beliefs of the other sects of early christianity
such as dualism and how many of the sects allowed women to preach and
even perform the baptism.  the books were apparently found in the same
area as the dead sea scrolls, but have not generated the controversy that
the scrolls have.  i am sorry if my details are a little sketchy, but it
has been awhile and my brain has had to process a lot of other
information since then.

meg greenspoon

>>
>>ok, i was in the front row that night with my friends as was neil.... what
>>is a greenbelt audience? a very confused brit who'll be in the usa real
>>soon :)
>
> sharon
>>
>
>a greenbelt audience refers to the "rural" preserved areas around british
........but she probably meant they looked really middle-class
>and reserved. in the green belt south of london there are a lot of well-off
>people (the area along the a25 road in the north downs (south of london) is
>called the stockbroker belt, because house and living costs are high, it's a
>desirable area, it's got "good tone" and therefore a lot of rich commuters
>live there and vote tory.
>
>mat

nah, you're wrong there mat, "she"* didn't mean that at all. sorry to
confuse you sharon - i guess i'd better put in a footnote - greenbelt is
used here in the context of the greenbelt christian music festivals held in
england.....my comments had nothing to do with audiences being lively or
not, mat! (and re yr other message, i know what happens in folk clubs but
its kind of you to take the trouble to tell me!)

yours, no longer wide eyed and laughing - after sitting through bandit queen
last night -

maggie*

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hey everyone!
     i just want to say that this list is really cool and i've had sooooo
much fun being a member this past week!! how did i ever manage before?....
old memories: jem was my idol when i was 10? 11? 12?.  i think i still have
all of the cassette tapes that came with the dolls...:)  i can still remember
singing my heart out in front of the mirror wishing someday i could be in a
band like that....
amyrays.....take care y'all!      love, hope, and ig...teresa

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subject:      ig on the disney channel

hi there...is there anybody here who has the schedule for the ig special on
the disney channel? thanks!

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i'd like to sign up to be on the mailing list. please send me any
information. thanks! -kelly

hey aol-ers!!

just wanted to let the october project fans out there know (if you don't
already) that there is a semi-new october project bulletin board on
aol.......it's at keyword mmc (music message center), under "general rock"
(apparently there was some confusion as to where it was supposed to go, as
in new age? progressive? etc.? it's migrated around a bit, but it finally
landed in general rock.)  anyway, they need folks to keep the board alive, so
if you're into op, hop on over there and post!!!  there's some info there
about a tv show featuring op that's airing in the ny area (i'm so jealous!)
if anyone out there gets it on video, couldja let me know?  thanks!  :)

-connie

in a message dated 95-11-28 11:34:22 est, ktm@utkux.utcc.utk.edu (katie
mccurry) writes:

>connie- i know what you mean. i love gm. i noticed the reference a few
>years ago when i began listening to ig. whenever i hear.. to be weakend--(is
>that how you spell it??) like achillies.. the whole greek myth runs through
my head. >thanks for sharing b\c it has always been something in the back of
my mind that i
>never really thought about before. see you later!!! love, katie

hi katie!
thanks for responding to my post!  i think it is very clever the way the ig's
use the gm references, as in "to be weakened like achilles.....with you
always at my heels"  the "heels" reference obviously ties in with "achilles",
as in "achilles heel"....that being the one part of achilles body that wasn't
immortal, and therefore was his most vulnerable spot.  also the reference to
narcissus in hammer & nail: "i see my face on the surface, i look a lot like
narcissus, a dark abyss of an emptiness standing on the edge of a drowning
blue"  takes on a whole new dimension when you know that narcissus was a gm
character who fell in love with his own reflection, which he saw on the
surface of a pool of water (standing on the edge of a drowning blue)....it
further ties in to the whole meaning of the song because he was paralyzed by
his own self-absorption, and couldn't tear himself away from it in order to
experience life.  also, a person so absorbed in themselves can be rather
shallow or "empty" ("dark abyss of an emptiness" - such a poetic way to put
it! :) )  when i hear bits like that i often wonder how many people actually
catch the full gm reference and links throughout the song!  it's kind of a
fun thing to contemplate!  (for me, anyway!) :)  of course, then there are
those puzzling "green" and "white" references....<g!>

-connie

in a message dated 95-11-28 18:37:01 est, klnalder@ucdavis.edu (kimberly love
nalder) writes:

>maybe "glare off the white" just refers to the color of one's skin (if
>one is caucasian) if that person never gets away from the desk or place
>of thinking. - you know, never actually exposed to the sun and weather.
>
>i know that "the glare off the white hurts my eyes" could certainly refer
>to my legs most winters.
>
>kim

rofl kim!! mine too!! gosh, first we have amy's obsession with her hair (or
lack of it) and now emily is bemoaning her lack of a tan!! what next? <g!>

-connie :)

hi y'all! actually this message is about a few different threads but i'll
start with this:

i wouldn't have pursued my interest in native american culture were it not
for the ig. i have a very vivid dream life, which some of you may remember
from my message on sejarez, so i decided to research the na perspectives on
dreams. ( i had one about looking up and seeing the sky filled with owls).
in the first 25 pages of _walking in the sacred manner, healers, dreamers,
and pipe carriers- medicine women of the plains indians_ by mark st.pierre
and tilda long soldier, i have found out why some ig songs make me cry,

"at a certain point in the ceremony while i am singing, i start to cry.  they
are not tears of sadness or joy, but recognition.  i cry because i have the
feeling, and i know 'they' are there"  p.17

in the liner notes for 1200c(?) emily talks about how she was touched by a
feather and how she has never been the same. p.19, "the touch of an eagle
feather carries a spiritual residue from the eagle that transmits a healing
force."

lastly, i've discovered why i've wanted to be a nurse since 1st grade and
why, when i was little, i used to climb the tree in my front yard and tie
pieces of cloth to the branches,

"offerings, consisting of rawhide cutouts of a man and buffalo bull, as well
as pieces of cloth into which tobacco has been tied, are tied into its
[cottonwood tree] upper bough. these represent participating families'
wishes for themselves and the collective world" p.19

"special people who had dreams of these animals became sacred interpreters
and petitioners to these animal grandfather spirits. they became
shamans...the dreams may have begun earlier, as might apprenticeship in the
ritual ways, but fulfillment was virtually always postponed until the woman
was beyond childbearing, and her awesome female powers had mellowed." p.26

wow! i like the part about awesome female powers ;))) i'm really looking
forward to reading the rest of this book...

as for the bible...
two books which take a brave, some might say, sacriligious, look at women and
the bible are _pope joan_ a fictional account of how a woman passes (cross
dressed :)) as a pope and her hilarious interpretation of the bible and
religion... also, _the book of j_ a nonfictional description of the theory
that many parts of the bible were written by a woman, j. sorry, i can't
remember the authors but if anyone is interested, i can find out.

i am a tuesday child, so are both of my brothers...

thanks for reading and providing me with so much valueable info and energy!

*rachel

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yeah, i'd like to get a hold of thepurple parrot and blue flood tapes too.
can anyone help me out? e-mail me. thanks :) jeff

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subject:      new year's eve update (fwd)

well, since chris brought it up, i will post perry's latest update
on the new year's bash at rdr...

amy p.

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hello all,

time now for the rainy day records new year's eve internet party
and galactic tribal gathering update.  this event happens every
december 31 during the day and into the evening, and is primarily
(though not exclusively) internet folk from indigo girls, melissa
etheridge and rem lists.  everyone is invited, no matter your list
preference!  it happens here in the store at 3005 north druid hills
road, atlanta, georgia in scenic toco hills shopping center.

this year we're doing something different.  we've invited some of
our favorite local musicians to drop by, eat and drink and play
when the spirit moves them.  we hope to encourage jam sessions with
unlikely combinations of players.  no pa will be set up -- the
musicians will simply perform right next to you!

here's the list of drop-ins so far (in no particular order):

caroline aiken
dave & rad
chris mcmahon
john bigay
kodac harrison
elizabeth madsen
rich wolsten
marcie hemphill
sonia tetlow
kevin
natalie farr
carol whitaker
steve dukes
don conoscenti
shawn mullins
david patterson
dede vogt
cooper seay
judy austin
jan dykes
wayne glass
julie clark
adam dorfman
candi jiosne
steve dixon
mike poteet
jeff norem
ashley filip
julie goldman
lydia brownfield

we expect the list to top 100 -- updates will follow as the list
grows.

we will have food and drink for all (as long as it lasts). if you
plan to attend, please drop me an email note or call the toll free
number so i'll know how much to get. do i need to give out that
toll free number?

thanks for your support over the years!

peace,
perry
rainy day records

what is "shades"? someone said it cost $50. just curious. thanks

it's official!!!!!!
ig are on letterman tonight - right now!!
are your vcr's set???????? mine is!!
happy watching and singing and dancing and rejoicing!!

avital
avital@lucy.cs.wisc.edu

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fly to arizona from philadelphia, drive to new mexico (see the girls),
drive up through colorado, drive through wyoming, see devil's tower,
drive through south dakota, see mt. rushmore, get stuck in kadoka south
dakota, keep driving though whatever the rest of the states are, get
into my first accident ever crossing the mississippi, end up ok, keep
driving, all the way back to philadelphia...

all in 5 days....

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subject:      re: the bible really isn't sexist

        since i am new here i want you to know that i  am certainly not out
to offend anyone.  i have been reading the "the bible really isn't sexist"
mailand something that susan swann wrote on 11.28.95 made me think.
actually it was probably the combination of her comments and my gender
class, but either way...there are those who believe in the bible and i am
not here to disagree, or agree with those beliefs, what i find interesting
is the assumption that is made that god is male.  i am not saying that god
is male or female, just pointing out the generalization.  also, susan said
"  i don't think that the bible is
sexist.   maybe in this culture it is considered that, but back then, it
wasperfectly normal for men to be the dominant roles."  the unfortunate
part of that is that back then is really right now for some people because
of their strong beliefs.  susan also said " no one is superior to another,"
it is too bad that more people in society don't live that way.  just some
thoughts.

thought i'd missed it (topping off a particularly lousy day), but no!
just saw them. storming they were too. how many strings did amy break? :)

rebecca.

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        they rock on!  the indigo girls rock.  emily is a goddes in her
black dress whaling away on the guitar.  yikes if you didn't see the
david letterman show tonight you better get a copy.  just proof that they are
the greatest band around.
        just thought i would be the first to share it with you all.

hi y'all.  pardon me while i vent.  i just saw the girls on david
letterman, and i have this to say.  david letterman id an a-hole.  he
never gives his musical guests enough time for an interview.  just sing
and get off the stage.  what a jerk.
on a lighter note, a & e sounded great and looked fine (would like to
get closer -- pardon my lechery).  can't wait to see them live.  the
high from the last show i went to didn't fade for at least 3 days.

ok. i'm done now. hope i didn't offend anyone.

indigo/dianne/tuesday's child
"if you want to know the secret behind a smile you've got to ask a
tuesday's child." --e.s.

i'm not exactly sure who i am writing to, but i hope that those
interested get this message.  i just read a note about the girls and
their tendencies to draw lyrical inspiration from the bible.  the writer
was concerned that the girls were subscribing to a patriarchical system
by looking to the bible for inspiration.  i can understand how one would
assusme that the bible is about males, demeaning to women, etc. but in
reality, it is not.  the nation of israel was lead in rebellion against
a tyrant of a leader...it was lead by a woman, deborah.  she was the
instrument of their freedom.  another ruler, esther, married a king so as
to free her own people, the jewish nation, from genocide.  the king was
tricked into decreeing that all jewish persons would be killed...esther
was vital to overthrowing the decree and finding the one who had decieved
the king.  another woman, rahab, hid two followers of jesus who were
being persecuted for their religious beliefs from the ones trying to kill
them.  she was saved while her city later burned.
        these are just a few examples of women in the bible.  these are
strong women who did think for themselves and who realized their own
immense worth.  very few people, men or women, are able to effectively
lead a nation.  these women serve as examples.  i can not see how the
girls can be criticised for looking to the bible for inspiration...it is
a rich book (whether simply for its literary value, or for its spiritual
wisdom).

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well, i usually don't like camping, but i don't see why not. :) sunny -
you never wrote back to me about carpooling down to no from albuquerque
(or if you could possibly swing by ruidoso on your way down), what do you
think?

cran

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on tue, 28 nov 1995, rachel rivera wrote:

> just a quick note to say (belated) feliz cumpleanos to the list
> mistress!!!!!!!!

hey... when i saw this message i though it was going to be for me <g>
my birthday was sunday. (i'm 18 now.) oh well.

cran

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on tue, 28 nov 1995, parker b. hamilton 99 wrote:

> i don't know about the lyrics to the song, but i think the reference
> might come form an old nursery rhyme that has to do with the
> personalities of people being based on teh day they were born.
> "monday's child is fair of face,
> tuesday's child is full of grace.
> wednesday's child if full of woe
> thursday's child has far to go
> friday's child works hard for its living
> saturday's child is loving and giving.
> but the child that's born on the sabbath day is bonny and blithe and good
> and gay.

sorry to nitpick, but it's saturday's child who works hard for a living.
(i was a saturday's child) btw, if the children born on sunday are gay,
are all the other children straight? <gd&r>

cran

*two* strings

well, the letterman appearance was *not* a re-run.  they did bury my
heart and amy broke two strings.  i kept hoping for one of those moves
like she does in watershed where she throws the guitar behind her back,
calls for another, lifts up her knee and plays on one leg.  now *that*
would have been a memorable letterman appearance, don't you think?

:)
lori

alex said:
>i only remembered this because i was picked on mercilessly in kindergarten,
and they used to call me she-ra (my last name's scherer), which is tough for
a six year old guy to take!!

if its any consolation they used to call me he-man....and i was a 13 year old
girl.....i didn't like jem....but my brother (four years my junior) loved jem
and rented her videos every weekend....well i guess we are an odd
family....he still plays with barbies, and i well.....i wear all the army
gear....such is life

kate.....who ventures that no one cares.....

all i can say is that just made my day:) i *love* the girls and they were
rockin' as always.....ah, how many strings did amy break?..is that 30,000
or 300,00?:) they were amazing and i can't wait until newport '96....btw
who was that playing the third guitar?...not jimmy descant....i missed
jerry's singing part though.....
with dreams of immortality,
maggie
ps big *hugs* to lynn, lorinda, phil, and (my fortunate one who had better
write me back) joe....

                      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
                      & "gonna be a long crawl *   maggie e. poulos    &
                      &    a high climb *     me_poulos@acad.fandm.edu &
                      &  through this soul of mine * bkrbkr@aol.com    &
                      &  and if i have to learn *                      &
                      &   to live again, *              *              &
                      &        i'll shed my skin *    ~m&f~            &
                      &    start all over again" *      *              &
                      &              -michelle malone                  &
                       ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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i remember seeing commercials for jem, at least. :) i think i had a jem
coloring book once. i used to watch jayce and the wheeled warriors when i
was little, and later, mask. duck tales also rocked! :)

cran

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hi everyone,

i just wanted to say bravo to lorinda,
i was hoping that someone would have the guts to standup and say
essentially what she said.  we all have our own beliefs.  some may
agree with the bible, some may not.  some really don't care either way.
this discussion  seems to be dividing our group and offending some
of us.  we all have a common interest here, the indigo girls.  we should
search our hearts, that is where we will find the real answers.  the indigo
girls are full of love and tolerance, we should be too.  this is what our
group is really all about :)

- - howdy

qotd: there's more than one answer to these questions pointing me
in a crooked line.

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what about thundercats?????!!!!!!

oh my god!!!!  so, we got a glimpse of them after 3 months of torture
without them.  hmmm...my thoughts, first of all, i taped it and it was by
total chance that i happened to be watching letterman at a friend's
apartment.  second of all, holy cow, emily chopped her hair.  i didn't
particularly care for em's glasses...blue tinted..hmm...but the black
skirt rocked with those boots..and amy, well, amy, you see, she has never
been my favorite, but i have to say, she looked absolutely amazing tonight.
her hair looks awesome and she just looked very relaxed in front of the
camera.  i guess it seemed like emily was a little too done up for the
camera...like she was trying to act all cool.  now, no flames for this
please.  i would be the last to criticize our "goddess of wit" but i the
love of my life just didn't look too good to me.  i don't know...i guess
i just prefer her in her bibs..relaxed and laid back.

they did a great job of singing bmhawk...amy rocked...emily blasted away
on that electric guitar. wow!!! all i can say is, i'm so, so happy that
they were on tv...yippeee!!!!

that's all for now...
..i know i still owe some of you cover me grey. later.

carol
jone3176@saintmarys.edu.

"i feel like a strawberry..." -e.s.

l o n g est day i've had in a while! ick!! but i had finlandia in my head
all day from listening to it this morning. i'm sure it's the only thing that
kept me sane all day!!

well, plus it's always good to put on an ig cd and read all my mail from you g
guys!! where was i before all of you?? scary!!

love -
avital
avital@lucy.cs.wisc.edu

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subject:      'indigo' in grolier's encyclopedia (ligc)

came across this entry in my cd-rom encyclopedia. thought people might like
to see it.

indigo

{in'-di-goh}

indigo is a blue vat dye important in dyeing cotton.  until a synthetic
indigo was developed, the dye was obtained by fermenting leaves of various
species of the tropical leguminous plant indigofera.  indigo was used in
india and egypt long before the time of christ;  marco polo described its
manufacture in the 13th century.  brought to europe in the 16th century by
the portuguese, dutch, and english, indigo was introduced into south
carolina, where it became (mid-18th century) the staple crop of the colony.
exports to england reached 453,000 kg (1,000,000 lb) a year in colonial
times. (the english later imported better and cheaper indigo from east
india, and rice and cotton replaced indigofera as a cash crop in south
carolina.) during the 18th and 19th centuries indigo was the most widely
used dye in the united states.

the production of natural indigo requires 400 units of plant material to
produce 1 unit of dye.  the first synthetic indigo was produced by adolf von
baeyer in 1880, and today nearly all the world's production is of synthetic
rather than natural indigo.  in order to make the dye soluble for dyeing
cotton, it must first be treated with alkali and a chemical reducing agent.
it is then applied to the fabric in a dye bath.  after dyeing, the blue in
the fabric is made permanent by oxidizing--exposing it to the air.

isabel b. wingate

bibliography: gerber, f., indigo and the antiquity of dyeing (1977);
miller, p., indigo, rev. ed. (1984).
:dwayne

dwayne jarrell (djarrell@ren.glaci.com)
"we have lingered in the chambers of the sea
by sea-girls wreathed with seaweed red and brown
till human voices wake us and we drown"
- t.s. eliot ("the love song of j. alfred prufrock")

hi all.

i have been ultra conservative (the only time i'll ever use myself and
that phrase in the same sentence!!)--:) with my postings on this list (for
me, that's amazing).....anyway, i thought i'd vent about the letterman
show that was on earlier tonight.

it seems that the girls can put on an excellent performance on a talk
show....i was getting worried. i love 'em to death, but they seem to get
way too nervous on "live" tv. my mom even liked it, which is
amazing....

anyway--fabulous job igirls, where ever you are.... :)

thanks for the info, whoever posted it...it was treasured!

emily

ps---does anyone know where jen kim is from the old list...i miss her :(

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subject:      re: what is "shades of indigo"?

for the uninitiated, "shades of indigo" is a promo cd of shawn colvin
interviewing the indigo girls in 1990, interspersed with studio cuts and
live cuts of their songs. it's kind of hard to find because it's not a
commercial release.

indigo girls rule,
barbara

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somebody wrote:
>what i find interesting
>is the assumption that is made that god is male. i am not >saying that god
>is male or female, just pointing out the generalization.

um, just open up the book (the un-apocryphized bible, that is) and read about
a chapter of just about any one of the gospels, or the epistles, etc, and see
if you don't see the word father used about 50 times in reference to god.

now, my intention is not to be cheeky, but this is not generalization:
according to the bible, god is a father. never once mentioned as a
mother...and jesus *is* a man. and in one of the predominant illustrations
in the bible, that of marriage, he is the **bridegroom**.

however, all this talk is not to say that god is sexed.  god is, _i_ would
not say, *male*, per say...just because, what does that mean: "male"?  we
define that term by our physical existence.  well, i hardly think we can put
such a box around god, when it is not *clearly* defined as such in the bible.

on the other hand, **gender** is a different story, because it more connotes
the _role_, or perspective, ya' know?

so just know--it's not random speculation. if you choose to believe
according to the bible, then you will find inextricably incorporated in that
belief the plain declaration of god's fatherhood--to jesus, to mankind.

thanks for enduring this subject. sometimes things need to be clarified.
happy letterman-watching!!!!!

ig's&guitars,
nikki

well, i have decided that after subscribing to the list for about three weeks
now, it was time to say hello.  i have enjoyed reading everyone's postings and
sharing ig information.  i am feeling deprived, however, because i missed the
ig letterman info.  what a bummer!  i guess that is what happens when you are
in graduate school and finals, papers, and projects are looming over your head.
i need more time to read my e-mail.  it sounds like i missed a great performancetoo bad!  this is old subject matter but in regards to the girls closing shows
with ctf, i caught their show in portland, or the summer of 94 and the closed
with finlandia.  all the other times that i have seen them, however, they have
indeed closed with ctf.  there was lots more to comment on but it is 2:00 am andi am brain dead so, until later..."love one another right now!"  (pretty much a
quote from the bible as well--enjoying this bible chat!  very interesting!

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as far as the tuesday's child quote, i think i read somewhere that they
used to play open mike on tuesdays...i'm not sure though.

peace,
derek

hey y'all
how are y'all doing?
i am also new to this whole ig netspace thing so i must first say:

hello, everyone.

next, i was just curious:

did anyone out there happen to see the ig in scotland last novemeber?
i must say that was a most incredible concert.
during the whol concert i was only a mere few feet away from amy and emily.
the single most incredible concert in my life.
i gave amy a dozen roses...she was so grateful!
she is so beautiful!
i looked at her and i said thank-you...
she looked right back at me...took my hand and said...
no....thank-you!
eeeks!
i was in ig heaven.
anyways i was just wondering if any of y'all were there.

peace.

love
brad.

hypothesis:

the blue, sgt. pepper sun-glasses that emily was wearing
were really amy's. em borrowed them for the letterman gig.

hypothesis 2:

amy was emily's fashion consultant for this gig. :-)

just love it when amy starts wailing, the strings snap, and
that leg starts contorting.

rawk on! [tm chris mcmahon]

- randy

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hey folks,

i think this band deserves a wee plug, so i'm replying to this query via
the list ...

>the album letters (is it to or from) cleo was suggested as a christmas gift.
>who is it by?
>

i saw the _band_ letters to cleo, supporting ned's atomic dustbin in
montreal. i don't know if their album is eponymous, in fact, i'm pretty
sure it isn't. i have a tape they gave away free with 3 songs on it and i
still listen from time to time.

they're an indie-pop band, fronted by a rather grungy lolita figure ...
good drivin' tunes and a nice, quite powerful voice. worth a listen if you
get the chance.

johnd

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happy procrastination :)

>- that audience looks just a little bit like what i might
>expect a greenbelt audience to look like...lets hope i'm wrong, or i may be
>in for a big disappointment with these 2 women who are so amazing

well, most likely there are two people at least in that front row who have
been known to grace the fields of greenbelt, but wouldn't that be true of
most concerts...?? most of the people in the front there i would go for a no.
so what _does_ constitute looking like a greenbelt audience...??

and why would that change your views on the ig's anyway ??

let's have a heated debaaaate hoooky...(to quote something most nobody's
heard of....)

>
>a greenbelt audience refers to the "rural" preserved areas around british
>cities (there is probably one in nottingham).
>

a greenbelt audience actually refers to the greenbelt festival, a christian
arts festival which is held annualy at the end of august...somewhere in
northamptonshire. it's pretty big too :):)

>well, i was at one of the gigs at the shepherds' bush empire that week and i
>can assure you that the front rows of the audience was no "green belt"
>audience, in fact they looked like they were mostly girls who were often
>positively hysterical.

i'm not a girl. i wasn't hysterical. and i've been known to frequent
greenbelt, glastonbury and other assorted concerts in my time...(had to
miss aimee mann...bummer :p:p) and i wasn't the only person in that front
row to have most of those characteristics (apart from the aimee mann...)

i should be studying...

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>i'm not a girl. i wasn't hysterical. and i've been known to frequent
>greenbelt, glastonbury and other assorted concerts in my time...(had to
>miss aimee mann...bummer :p:p) and i wasn't the only person in that front
>row to have most of those characteristics (apart from the aimee mann...)

i think we were at the venue on different nights - i attended the first
night at sbe, you went to the second. from what i could see they were
mostly female and were pretty enthusiastic.

so what do greenbelt audiences look like then?

mat
mts5@aber.ac.uk

>
>i should be studying...

so should i. i've got all my essays to write before 8th december!

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subject:      letterman

unfortunately, i didn't read my mail early enough to catch the letterman
appearance.  i'm so annoyed, because this is the first tv appearance i've
missed since 1991.  is there a kind soul out there who would be willing to
make me a copy (in exchange for a blank tape and postage, of course)?  my
sister and i would be eternally grateful.  thanks.

julie

julie a. van hemel
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jvanheme@habaco.com (work) 8:30-5:30 est m-f

i saw it.  here are my comments...
-i thought that emily was a little too made up for the camera like someone
already said.  but she looked nice - i like it - i just missed the more laid
back style they both have.
-i like their hair!  gorgeous!
-amy is amazing!  two more strings to the tally!
-my favrite part of the whole show prior to the girls (did anyone catch this)...
  dave letterman says,"well, they're from atlanta but they're still pretty damn
     good!"  :)  it made me smile for a bit!
-i love bmhawk more then ever now!!
...and i have the entire thing on tape so i can watch it as much as i want!!
but i did think they should've had a decent interview!

avital
avital@lucy.cs.wisc.edu

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a. nadyne hagon writes:
>
> 1) what exactly *is* "shades of indigo"? bootleg? promo disc?
> and why is it worth $50?

"shades of indigo" is a promotional cd. it came out about the time
"nomads indians saints" was released. it has an interview of the 'girls
by shawn colvin and a number of studio and live tracks.

why is it worth $50? because it's promotional and not so easy to find.
diligent searching of used record stores and record shows will usually
yield a copy of it.

here's the 'ig discography' entry for this cd, courtesy of steve clark,
keeper of the ig discography:

#34) shades of indigo
     epic                       cd promo: esk-2201
     december 1990                 two covers are available:
                                   one orange, one purple
                                vinyl promo: eas-2201
                                   two covers are available:
                                   one green, one purple

     each song preceded by a track of conversation with shawn colvin.
     recorded live at the paramount theater, denver, co,
     october 21-22, 1990.

time:                                  54:59 (including interviews)
-------------------------------------------------------------
#34.1  1 2 3 (studio)+                  4:16    ar/ejs
#34.2  southland in the springtime (s)+ 4:20    es
#34.3  hammer and a nail (live)         3:45    es
#34.4  melissa (live)                   4:30    g. allman/s. alaimo
#34.5  watershed (live)                 5:33    es
#34.6  pushing the needle too far (l)   4:07    ar
#34.7  you and me of the 10,000 wars (l)4:16    es
#34.8  daddy's all gone (live)          3:41    j. taylor
+ from nomads*indians*saints (epic ek-46820)

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what is op????

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i agree!!!! what was up with emily's hair and glasses???? you could
tell they were both nervous!!!  amy was so awesome when she jumped
back to the drummer!!! i was in awe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! am i the
only one who feels this way????????  amy looked great!!!  although
i"m partial to emily, i just hought amy was really into the song
more. i"m not sure what dave thought about it all. paul was totally
getting into it!!!!!
    all in all, a great performance!!!!
    [s] [s] [s] [s] = four beers out of a possible four beers!

peace,
lisa

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i have it on tape if you're still interested! let me know via private
email and i'll give you my address!!!!!
lisa

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at 03:54 am 11/29/95 -0600, bradley mittelman wrote:
>hey y'all
>how are y'all doing?

>
>did anyone out there happen to see the ig in scotland last novemeber?
>i must say that was a most incredible concert.
>during the whol concert i was only a mere few feet away from amy and emily.
>the single most incredible concert in my life.
>i gave amy a dozen roses...she was so grateful!
>she is so beautiful!
>i looked at her and i said thank-you...
>she looked right back at me...took my hand and said...
>no....thank-you<<<<<

mmmm envy envy envy

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well, i can see from the subject lines of my mail this morning that
ig on letterman is quite the topic. i'm going to write this before i
forget what i wanted to write, so i apologize in advance if my
thoughts have already been posted by someone of like mind.

wow!  i've never seen the girls live.  actually, i've never seen the
girls at all (except for a mag article here and there and liners).
maybe it was just being on letterman, or maybe my expectations were
too high, but it wasn't quite what i expected.  i can't really give
it a name, but i guess i thought it would be something different.  it
was still really neat to see them, although i would have liked it if
they had done one of *their* songs.  bmhawk is great, but it doesn't
have the same indigo-ness as what they write.  do you know what i
mean?  anyway, all in all, i was quite thrilled to see them perform,
even if it was only on television. it was worth lossing two hours of
sleep for it, although my sick little body strongly disagrees and has
forced me to take a voice rest today so that perhaps my throat can
heal up.  i knew i shouldn't have been belting out ig songs on the
trip back to school...

staic,
anna

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and 365 days a year, why are there locks on the doors?
(besides for leap years.)

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excerpts from mail: 29-nov-95 letterman by jones@saintmarys.edu
> holy cow, emily chopped her hair. i didn't
> particularly care for em's glasses...blue tinted..hmm...but the black
> skirt rocked with those boots..and amy, well, amy, you see, she has never
> been my favorite, but i have to say, she looked absolutely amazing tonight.
> her hair looks awesome and she just looked very relaxed in front of the
> camera. i guess it seemed like emily was a little too done up for the
> camera...like she was trying to act all cool.

oh my god, yes! my thoughts exactly!!!! i'm in love with emily, but
last night, it was definately amy who had my attention....

of course, though, i love them as always!!! ;)
renee (who wishes emaily would've been in her cute little overalls with
that cute little hat she sometimes wears....)

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> what about thundercats?????!!!!!!

thundercats were one of my fav shows! my best friend and i used to
pretend we were one of the cats, and we'd spend hours imagining all
sorts of things.

staic,
anna

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sorry to delurk for something like this, but what was jem's name before
she used the earrings to turn into jem. something jerrica or something?

anyone?

if i knew all the lyrics to any cartoon it was jem, transformers, and
scooby-doo. :)

sorry again,
alexis

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thought all you indigot-netheads would get a laugh out of this interview
printed in a washington post monthly e-lectric zine...with nods to our
british members! jude :)

|/|/ yes indeed, tomorrow is not only the day you'll find fast forward
tucked inside the food section of your copy of the washington post--it's
the day *after* ffwd enjoyed breakfast with none other than microsoft
chairman william gates iii. ok, so we enjoyed it in the company of around
20 other post luminaries, including chairman emeritus katharine graham,
publisher don graham, the top editors of the paper, much of the technology
reporting staff and our friends at digital ink. but we were near enough to
the action to pass along the following tidbits:

* to his great credit, gates did not flog his new book, windows 95 or any
other product; he just took our questions. we found him better-rounded
intellectually than we expected, reasonably fluent about government
matters, global politics and human-factor issues. still, he has his limits
and reveals his middle-class roots when pushed: at one point he explained
the changes made to sell encarta to english markets: "we have to add the
kings and all that stuff, and credit different inventors for the jet and
the telephone and stuff like that."

* he claims little interest in washington; a typical microsoft developer's
reaction to "the gingrich revolution," he said, is "newt who? king newt?"
gates said. (we leave it to lwc members to determine the ultimate meaning
of this repeated regal imagery.) he says the company follows the
washington issues it must, but prefers to devote its energies to "making
great software." twice, when pestered with questions about the justice
department, he became petulant. "what am i supposed to say?" he sneered.
"do you want a sound-bite?"

* he says microsoft will provide software for a new pda in 1997, the year
he believes the market will probably be ripe for portable computing.
eventually, he sees a "wallet computer" in every pocket. gates said he
took "60 percent of the responsibility" for failing to bring a defunct
project called winpad to market; he says that if it had gone into
production, the ms-based pda would have cost $900 and been too bulky to
carry around. he says ms has more people working on portable projects now
than they did back in the heyday of winpad in '93-'94.

* gates sees little mass-market impact of the internet until "mid-band"
access (isdn lines, in other words) becomes widespread. mid-band access
can deliver images and barely-sufficient quality video and voice
transmission, and these are essential to mass acceptance, he says. **
[look at the inside back cover of tomorrow's ffwd, which contains an ad in
which bell atlantic introduces its long-awaited residential isdn service.]
**

* meantime, gates is bullish on what he calls "the intranet," which adopts
existing networking technology to groups of workers in a company, members
of an interest group, etc., letting them do joint remote editing, live
messaging, teleconferencing, etc. [this is interesting in light of what
the folks at the smithsonian's cyberspace lecture series had to say on
this topic last week, reported below.] expect microsoft to devote
significant resources to this line of business.

* one current, if minor, microsoft r & d priority: "eliminating boot[-up]
time completely."

* another bad hair day: gates's hair was mussed into a wispy cowlick. he
desperately needed a haircut. he wore a light green suit and a striped
shirt with no tie. he had a light suntan. he served himself a full
breakfast from the passed platter of eggs, potatoes, sausage and toast,
but didn't eat any of it. he did not engage in his trademark "rocking," a
back-and-forth motion he indulges in when he's on a roll.

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>i know that "the glare off the white hurts my eyes" could certainly refer
>to my legs most winters.

it's not as bad if you don't shave your legs durring winter. :)

staic,
anna

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hello all !!!

i again plea ... i was quite sick last night and went to bed at <gasp> 8:30pm
.... i didn't sign on to check my mail or anything and had no idea ig's would
be gracing dave's stage ...

please ... would a kind soul who taped it dub a copy and send me one ...

i have plenty to trade or i'll pay for tape and shipping costs --- anything
.....

:) <-- who could resist this face !!!!!! please e-mail me privately if
you can do this !!!!

thanks

chris

good morning all!

a big thanks to the person who posted the vcr alert yesterday ... i never get
to watch tv so i wouldn't have known about the girls' appearance.  i made my
husband program the vcr  since last time i tried to tape something, i screwed
it up big-time.  unfortunately, our tape quality is pretty poor since we've
used the same tape over and over (i have a 3-year-old and taped over a recent
barney episode for this -- what a bad mother i am ;-)), but it was great to
get up at 6:00 am to watch amy and emily..

i was psyched to see that they had their full band with them.  i love bmhawk
so that was great, but i think the song would have had more of an impact if
they'd been able to give an intro about the song or honor the earth to put it
in context.  i'm assuming most of the audience (studio and tv) would be
pretty ignorant about the circumstances they're singing about and why they
chose this song as a single.  oh well ... it was a cool rockin' version of
the song anyway and probably surprised people expecting two granola girls
with acoustic guitars :-).

fashion report:  amy was wearing a red t-shirt and light-colored jeans ... i
thought she looked like her wonderful, casual self.  em was wearing a tan
jacket and a dark longish black skirt, plus little blue sunglasses, which i
don't care for at all.  she's got beautiful eyes and i wanted to see them!
  sara lee popped my eyes out with a bold plaid number in the back ... she
*is* the fashion queen of this band!

they did some nice close-up shots of both girls, especially amy at the end
... she is sooooo intense when she performs. i don't know if they were back
on the show after the break because my tape ran out right after they finished
playing.

i'm sure others have more coherent reports ... just wanted to add my two
cents' worth. anyone in nyc, be on the lookout for the girls today -- maybe
they stayed to do some holiday shopping!

heidi

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we discussed what amps emily had (peavy classics). does anyone know what
amp amy uses? it's a fender and it looks to be tweed. i would like to
know the make, (year), model

thanks

craig

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okay.....here's the story....i was sitting in my room trying to research
the pros and cons of mainstreaming mentally and physically challenged
children for a paper that is due tomorrow....and i shouldn't have stopped
when i heard letterman from the hallway, but i did.  i suffered through
sam donaldson and was kinda interested in joey from friends.   then i
went crazy during the commmercial before the igs were to come on.
running around hysterically.    then they were there.   my heart pounding
as amy broke her strings and those tight-o-so-tight jeans of hers.  emily
looked a bit strange in amy's blue glasses, but i loved her outfit.   amy
was really into it!!!     -----------------loving the girls,
                                                jamie

"i don't care, cause sometimes, i hear my voice and it's been
silent all these years" -tori amos

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amy was something, wasn't she?  i've always been amazed by her, but the
moment she appeared on the screen, i was transfixed.  loved the
string-breaking, arm-gesturing, hair-tossing, and the way she threw her
pic up in the air at the end.  she is just too cool for words.

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hi,
        it is true that the bible refers to god as a male, but not all
christianity started out that way.  i refered to dualism in a previous
e-mail and what i meant by that was that certain sects treated god as
both male and female.  other sects to preserve what they felt was a
threat to monotheism, refered to god as non-gendered.  this allowed these
other sects to give women more latitude in the religion.  however, this
did not appeal to the masses at the time who were of a patriarchal bent.
as most of you probably know christianity was changed many times in the
early years to draw in the pagans as well as having jews in this "new"
religion.

meg greenspoon

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howdy....

>
>i think we were at the venue on different nights - i attended the first
>night at sbe, you went to the second. from what i could see they were
>mostly female and were pretty enthusiastic.
>

i was at both :):)

and in my opinion, most of the hardcore-went-to-every-gig following were
really quite restrained...but hey, things look different from the back, and
with hindsight, so...

>so what do greenbelt audiences look like then?
>
*shrugs*
like, like, people??

@}--,--'--

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hey all --

caught the new video late last night. it might have been part of the
"crossroads" show, but can't say for sure. anyway, look out for it.

all the best,

martine

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              with some igc thrown in at the end there, just for fun...
x-to:         jacksojj@uwec.edu

well hello theres :)

>what i find interesting
>is the assumption that is made that god is male. i am not saying that god
>is male or female, just pointing out the generalization.

i figure that god is both male and female...otherwise how could he make males
and females both in his image...also if you go along with that idea, then
it makes a whole lot of other things easier to understand...

and him, or he is just the standard third person singular, no?? (not that i
have a clue on language...but it's better than 'it'...)

>susan also said " no one is superior to another,"
>it is too bad that more people in society don't live that way. just some
>thoughts.

i would say that's one of the basics of christianity, love one another
as yourself...trouble is too many people that claim to be of that belief
blatantly ignore that part...if only they didn't...

can someone please direct me back to the igc??

thassit...i was getting really frustrated 'cause everyone was like wow, the
ig's were so cool, and i'm sitting here, going...so what did they sing. and
it was only the last couple that hinted, and noone said it outright.
*sigh*

i may have to make the trek 'round to a friend with satellite this evening...

@}--,-'---

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okay, forgive me, but i have been signed off for a while. could anyone
give me details of the new orleans jazz fest?

also, even if we don't continue this giant slumber party idea (so to
speak), perhaps we could all arrange a meeting place at the newport folk
festival (which i think i am much more likely to attend).

indigo girls fans bond around the country...

"consider the option of lightness"
-lisa mccormick

amanda

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ig was awesome last night on letterman - both looked beautiful (as
always), but i agree that em looked a little too done-up.  i noticed someone
commented on sara lee's outfit - it was so great!!  i loved the
mismatched plaid ensemble.  however, no one has mentioned the fact that
the last verse of bmhawk was left out!  was that just on my tv or what?
i was eagerly waiting to see what amy would say after "honey, you can
still be an indian down at the y on saturday night" - would it be "yeah,
right" or "bullshit" or some new phrase???  but they just skipped to the
"bu-ry my hearts" right after the verse about anna may.  what was up with
that?!?  did dave make them cut it short?  did he not only deny us an
interview with them but also would not let them perform the whole song?!?
well, i've complained a lot, but i *was* elated to see the girls on tv.
my fix until no or newport i guess.  :)
jenn  (who is yet again in awe at amy's intensity - and beauty!)
jlk299s@nic.smsu.edu

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subject:      bmhawk single

i remember back when bmhawk was released for radio play someone mentioned
the possibility of buying the cd single.  has anyone come across one of
these?  have they even been made?  i always check the single section at
my local music stores, but i have yet to find anything.  :(  thanks a lot!
jenn
jlk299s@nic.smsu.edu

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lisa, i think he was the boy-child on "mayberry rfd" back in the 1960's.
always being tended by aunt bea. ;>

o:>

---dianne

on wed, 29 nov 1995, lisa grandjean wrote:

> what is op????
>
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subject:      midnight train

does anyone know the chords to "midnight train to georgia" as performed
on1200c? i think i've got it, but i'm not sure. i heard it live
once...awesome. thanks.

love,
mary lou retton

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hey, does anyone have a bootleg of the skidmore college show on 4-21-95?
i'd really like a copy (it's the only ig show i've been to). the one person
i've found who has it has no means of copying it. if you can help, e-mail
me privately. thanks.

love,
martha brady

"i am the walrus.
sniff my powdered tusk."
-mark gallagher

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on wed, 29 nov 1995, keller jennifer l wrote:

> i remember back when bmhawk was released for radio play someone mentioned
> the possibility of buying the cd single.  has anyone come across one of
> these?  have they even been made?  i always check the single section at
> my local music stores, but i have yet to find anything.  :(  thanks a lot!

i haven't seen one yet, except for the promo version.

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jenn asked:

>i remember back when bmhawk was released for radio play someone mentioned
>the possibility of buying the cd single.  has anyone come across one of
>these?  have they even been made?  i always check the single section at
>my local music stores, but i have yet to find anything.  :(  thanks a lot!

i have a promo copy of the single that i picked up at my local used cd
store that has the following:
bmhawk studio version
thin line radio edit
bmhawk (1200 curfews version)

released by epic esk 7375.

i think this was posted before, but it was right in front of me, so i
figured i'd post it again <g>.

mary

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subject:      re: new orleans jazz fest

when is the newport folk festival?
-jeff

________________________________________________________________________________
she writes:
>okay, forgive me, but i have been signed off for a while. could anyone
>give me details of the new orleans jazz fest?
>
>also, even if we don't continue this giant slumber party idea (so to
>speak), perhaps we could all arrange a meeting place at the newport folk
>festival (which i think i am much more likely to attend).
>
>indigo girls fans bond around the country...
>
>"consider the option of lightness"
>-lisa mccormick
>
>amanda
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on wed, 29 nov 1995, chickensoprano wrote:

> wow! i've never seen the girls live. actually, i've never seen the
> girls at all (except for a mag article here and there and liners).
> maybe it was just being on letterman, or maybe my expectations were
> too high, but it wasn't quite what i expected. i can't really give
> it a name, but i guess i thought it would be something different.

hey there anna....

you know, this sounds so familiar to me!!!  i remember a few years back,
never having seen them live, i saw them for the first time on carson (or
was that leno then....maybe it was letterman...ugh.  one of those days...)
promoing rites.  boy, let's just say that i was slightly disappointed....
why??  well, after hearing them play things one way (from the cd's) and
them hearing them live *over the tv,* well, i was a bit underimpressed.
i taped that performance though (of galileo), and now after seeing them
oodles of times live, i love that performance.  they have a different
feel on the tv.  usually it's pretty....hmmm....sterile.  like when they
first walk out into an unknown city and unknown venue....they never know
what's really going to happen that night....that kind of feeling.
usually they warm up in a song (though i went to one concert in northern
jersey at a ski lodge where, imho, they never "warmed up"---in fact, my
favorite line of the evening was when they said, "oh boy.  we're in new
jersey, playing in a circus tent."  they had absolutely no expression on
their faces....what a riot!!) whoa where was i!!  oh yeah, they warm up
in a song or two.  on tv, they just don't have the luxury of having a
whole concert to kick in....

but, anna, i hoped you taped last night.  cuz that was, imo, the best tv
performance they've had.  i loved it.  every minute of it.  they were
warm, and comfortable, and on fire with the song.  i think it helps
having their own band there, rather than paul and his group backing them
up.

well, a long winded response. you'll come to appreciate that stuff. and
you'll get to see them soon enough....

take care anna, and everyone else!

emily

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forgive me for thinking so, but i think many of us are contradicting ourselves
on why we like the indigo girls.  don't we like them for their truthfull,
spirit and the way they make us feel on a bad day?  i think that saying
emily was too done up was pretty corrupt.  maybe she felt like being done up
who really cares as lonog as we still like their music and want to hear more.
i myself think that i can only adore them and even if i don't like blue sun-
glasses, i applaud emily for her ability to wear them and still be cool.
jeans, skirts and even straight out of bed i still love their music and that
means i love them too regardless.
i hope some of the rest of you feel this way too.

have a wonder ful day :)
jennifer

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subject:      re: bmhawk single
x-to:         keller jennifer l <jlk299s@nic.smsu.edu>
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i ahve seen a bmawk promo only single.  has the studio and live tracks
on it and thin line.  it lists it as demonstration only not for sale
on the back, yet the text also makes mention that sales of the
single (presumably a record store relaease) wouldbenefit the honor the
earth fund.  i have checked with the singles buyer in hmv/cambridge
regualrly (he would order it knowing i would come and buy it:)  )
but he hasnt heard a word.  i found my copy at a used store.

amy p.                          /       who holds your hand
pegasus@crl.com                /        when you're alone
                              /
the original photo monk      /                  --patty larkin

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subject:      re: e.s. quote/ a.r. quote?
x-to:         derek keith moulaison <frisco@uclink2.berkeley.edu>

this discussion appeared on alt.music.indigo-girls very recently; one
solution is that it refers to a nursery rhyme (monday's child is fair of
face, tuesday's child is full of grace ... ).

mat
mts5@aber.ac.uk

>as far as the tuesday's child quote, i think i read somewhere that they
>used to play open mike on tuesdays...i'm not sure though.
>
>peace,
>derek
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yes- ig did play open mike at emory college on tuesdays before they
started playing at this club that went belly up. amy tried to buy it,
but unsuccessfully failed. the owner of the club died of aids. if
you've never seen watershed, i own it and as soon as the letterman
requests are done, i'll start making those.

*self flagellation mode on*

kick!!!
kick!!
kick!!!!!
(i'm kicking myself now)

in my infinite wisdom, i forgot (yes, that's correct i forgot) to watch
letterman last nite. i guess i can start a new list now: "you know you're a
complete failure as an indig"...when you _forget_ to watch them on tv.

aaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrggggggggghhhhhhhhhh!

so please, someone out there please tell me i can stop being so miserable and
feeling so left out. please someone tell me they taped it, and can copy it and
send it to me in return for several boots. please please please? i have many
goodies to offer in return. i feel a little piece of me has died, and i won't
be whole again till i see this letterman thing. *sigh*

folkisgruven,
lorindigo
ps. howdy, thanks much for your kind words about my bible post. :)

    i           will            not        be               complacent
lorinda wright           "learn to pretend there's more than love that
lw01@lehigh.edu           matters. -e.s.
lehigh university         "the apathy of time laughs in my face
bethlehem, pa             you say each life has its place. -e.s.
    i           will            not         be              complacent

i am so sad.  as i sit here, pathetic, sick and dizzy at my computer, i
can't believe i didn't set my vcr for long enough to tape amy and
emily.  i got the first verse and one refrain.  i'm
soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
sad.  :(  what i did see of it was awesome.:)  i wish i could've seen
amy break her strings and throw her pick.  i guess now i know not to
trust my vcr skills when i want to go to bed early because i caught a
cold!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
if anyone out there would be kind enough to send me a copy in exchange
for a cassette and sase i would be more than greatful.  :)
thanks in advance, peace, ---emily

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date:         wed, 29 nov 1995 15:15:40 -0500
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could anyone send me the chords for "mystery"?- i have a friend who
absolutely digs this song and i would love to make her so happy and play
it for her. you can send them to just me personnally if you want.
thanks all!
and how much do the girls rock?

love, kel

ok- i thougth they were amazing... quite the rockers!!

i was happy to see jane, sara and jerry- but who was the other guitarist?? i
didnt recognize him... he was playing behind amy.

anyone??

peace..
pamela

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              29, 95 02:24:34 pm

so, i read this message and the first thing that i thought of was
how evil and nasty i was going to sound by sending this message.

i have to wonder how good a fan of amy and emily you really are if
you are willing to copy watershed, thus keeping them from earning
profits and revenue from its sales. that seems a little more than just
evil, in fact...i can understand bootlegs of performances that were
never recorded for sales or distribution, but copying a video that is
on the market seems a little unfair.

i think that you should encourage people to go out and buy the video
themselves. then the group that you are trying to be supportive of is
able to earn the money they deserve from the sales of their merchandise.

sorry for making everyone else listen to this too, but i wanted to make
sure that this was something everyone would pay attention to. you all
say that you *love* amy and emily, but in doing something like this, you
might as well be stealing money from them.

--(off the soapbox now)--

--'marty

ok, so here's the story. i have this like tweny gazzilion page paper due
tomorrow (actualy, i just got an extension, but that's irrelevant, i'm still
freaking), and so i was working so hard last night that i completely forgot
about the letterman show. so, please please please can i send someone a blank
tape or something and they could copy it for me, if someone has two vcr's to
do it. or if someone could find the kindness deep in their hearts to send me
their tape (i'll pay for postage, of course) even though i'm a complete
stranger and none of you have any idea who i am.
it's only one song, right, so if it's not even that good then don't bother,
but i haven't seen them since they played brandeis in winter '94, and i'm
dyin" here!!!
thanks a ton,
alex :-)

        oh my goddess!   not another post about david letterman!  'fraid
so, so just prepare yourself for redundancy.  first a huge thank you to
whoever it was that originally let us know that ig were going to be on.
i found out just in time to set the vcr.  thank you, thank you, thank
you!  usually i find these things out the next day, when its too late,
and then must suffer the despair of a missed ig experience.
        it was great to see that they haven't mellowed while on
vacation.  i thought they both looked really good, especially amy(i admit
to an amy bias).  glad she's still breaking strings, and i wonder if the
pic tossing will be added to any other shows?  probably not, as i
personally(and i doubt i'm alone in this) would be inclined to go diving
after it, a risk to myself and others.

still happy,
-jean
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subject:      ???

well, i can't find the message anymore, but someone started a thread
talking about the line "glare off the white..." i'd just like to know
if the other people who chimed in thinking that maybe this was emily
ragging herself for not having a tan had really thought about this.

amy and emily are musicians and lyricists.  their jobs are to write.
have any of you thought that maybe, emily was doing her job pretty well
one day and decided to make a political statement about racial barriers
in one of her songs?  it wouldn't really be a shock, there are several
other songs that i can think of that make statements along the same
lines.  amy and emily were raised in religious, sheltered (white)
backgrounds.

just a theory...

--'marty

at 10:27 am 11/29/95 -0600, someone wrote:

>i remember back when bmhawk was released for radio play someone mentioned
>the possibility of buying the cd single. has anyone come across one of
>these? have they even been made?

while at a record swap over the weekend i found not only the
promo single for, "don't think twice" w/joan b...but i also
found the promo for "bury my heart" $2 bucks each!

on the back of bmhawk it states: "royalty earnings from the song
will be donated to the "honor the earth" campaign to provide ongoing
support to native american communities working to protect their land
and culture."

i have yet to see a commercially released single but i do believe
that would also include the sale of "1200 curfews" since it mentions
the "song earnings" rather than the "single earnings"

michael :-)

hi all. i was wondering what is the group's wisdom regarding the
'collectors edition' of the first album, which has gold disc, etc and
retails for about $29. i figure it cant be too special since i
saw two of them at wherehouse, a major chain.
thanks,
jaime
lercari@nevada.edu

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subject:      the ?  guitarist on letterman

i kinda thought it was someone from the cbs band cause he seemed to
go in that direction when ig was done playing.

one more question - does anyone know if there are ig stickers? i have
indigo girl in very abbreviated form on my license plate, and i would
love to put an ig sticker near it so people would understand it more often!
thanks,
jaime
lercari@nevada.edu

ss>i did the stupidest thing the other day.
ss>i had a huge fight with my parents.
ss>that wasn't the stupid thing.
ss>i used something to hurt them which ended up hurting me.
ss>they always criticize indigo girls.
ss>it really gets to me at times.
ss>my dad wanted to take my cds, my ig cds, away.
ss>i got upset.
ss>i didn't want him to have the satisfaction of taking something important to
ss>away.
ss>i broke my cds.
ss>i cried.

"you dry your tears, don't be thinking grey is here to
stay. sometimes everything is in the way you're wanting
to look at it, turn your view around, dry your eyes. eyes
like yours should carry a smile, i haven't seen them
sparkle in a while, give it one more try, dry your eyes."

--e.s.

"oh, you precious kid
i have a motion just for you.
a warrior, barefoot and dancing
with tears of pain and beauty
all of this is true for you
lift me through my love and anger
my arms are burning but they're open wide."

--a.r.

i wish i could offer you more comfort than this. i cried too when i
read your note.

indigo/dianne/tuesday's child

"if you want to know the secret behind a smile you've got to ask a
tuesday's child."

in a message dated 95-11-29 00:49:14 est, jacksojj@uwec.edu (jennifer jo
jackson (jenny jackson)) writes:

>>>>there are those who believe in the bible and i am not here to disagree,
or agree with those beliefs, what i find interesting is the assumption that
is made that god is male.  i am not saying that god is male or female, just
pointing out the generalization.  also, susan said  "  i don't think that the
bible is sexist.   maybe in this culture it is considered that, but back
then, it was perfectly normal for men to be the dominant roles."  the
unfortunate part of that is that back then is really right now for some
people because of their strong beliefs.  susan also said " no one is superior
to another," it is too bad that more people in society don't live that way.
just some thoughts.>>>>

i'm a new kid on the block, too.  and when i saw the bible talk i was a bit
pissed off that it would follow me here!!  (i know, i know, if you don't like
the content follow the sign-off procedure.....)  but this rather gentle post
caught my eye.  i could probably give you a context of any scripture quote
offered because of millions of sermons/bible studies/sunday school
lessons/family prayer times/private devotions in my past life.  with all of
that behind me i'm left with the overall feeling that the bible is sexist.
and by that i mean written by people who felt and lived a life of gender
disparity.   i can't depend on pulling one or two scriptures out and saying
"there, that proves it".  that method of analysis rarely works in critiquing
literature, movies, songs, a life, whatever.  one would have to blind not to
notice the blatant male domination in the bible.   you can mention ruth, and
the mary's, deborah, eve, esther, jezzabel, and others but, come
on......these inclusions seem to be token women.  even if some of them had
strong roles in the story.  the writers, the editor and chief are seen as
being male by the overwhelming majority of christians. and prechristians.....
even if you were to make the language more inclusive (less male dominated in
meanings) i would still have the feeling of male domination in plot, story
lines, focus.

i have an idea!! instead of searching for scripture quotes that back up your
view that all are seen as equal and that ....why not count the words written
by, the thoughts generated from, the prayers prayed as they are written in
the bible and let us know what the count is for the genders.......i think
that would say something about the importance of women in their culture...and
about women in the cultures/subcultures of people who still consider
scripture to be the most important book in their lives.

all this said--i want to add that i still feel the bible is a valuable
teaching tool.   and worthwhile for study of culture.   and for any other
reason one might read it.  but imo it's not the be all end all of
knowledge---especially--and there's a heck of a lot of passion behind these
words---when it comes to understanding god, god, goddess, goddess, your
higher power, hp,  or the spirit part that lives inside of us all.  that's
one thing i appreciate about the ig lyrics and obviously their lives.  open.
aware of how big this world is.  helps me to celebrate us all.  whatever
books we read.

balsam3@aol.com

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on wed, 29 nov 1995, tin angel wrote:
> and how much do the girls rock?
>
ummm, i know i know!! is the correct answer "a lot"?
(:

letterman....a friend called and woke me up to tell me to get my lazy
butt out of bed to tape it.
laters

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flash:

nanci has been named artistic director for decatur, georgia's olympic
concerts. she will headline one of the 5 planned concerts. each
concert will have a theme, the 1st being irish music.

the concerts are part of a 17 day festival in decatur. the festival,
other than concerts is free. estimated concert price is $15/ticket.

the organizers also hope to snare the local indigo girls. the mind
reels at whom nanci might recruit!

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hi 'marty, hi all,

>so, i read this message and the first thing that i thought of was
>how evil and nasty i was going to sound by sending this message.

i have to agree with your main point about not booting the watershed or
other commercially *available* videos, etc., but unfortunately i have to
agree that your message did sound a bit nasty (not evil though |]) for a
couple of reasons...

>i have to wonder how good a fan of amy and emily you really are if

um, this *had* to hurt... the offering party might not have realized
the general booting principles adhered to around here (*many* new folks
have joined us and have not had the benefit of our discussions on this.)
they might have just been trying to share, without realizing that this
could hurt amy and emily & the causes they so freely give to.

>you are willing to copy watershed, thus keeping them from earning
>profits and revenue from its sales. that seems a little more than just
>evil, in fact...i can understand bootlegs of performances that were
>never recorded for sales or distribution, but copying a video that is
>on the market seems a little unfair.

well, maybe a little unfair, or maybe a lot, that all depends on the
circumstances... but more than just evil?  i mean, evil is bad enough
(didn't even have to look that up in my webster's), but more than just
evil is, well, really way bad (long day is leaving me less than
loquacious...)  hitler was evil... murder is evil... rape is
evil... copying a video is *maybe* a little unfair.  (now if someone was
trying to make money on the boot vids by copying them en masse, that
would be, let's see, somewhere between more than a little unfair and
just evil...)

>i think that you should encourage people to go out and buy the video
>themselves. then the group that you are trying to be supportive of is
>able to earn the money they deserve from the sales of their merchandise.

yes!!! sorry it took so long to get around to agreeing with you, but
yes!!! and, the video quality is much better (we all want to see amy's
tattoo and their cute faces the best we can, right?!?) and, the price
is very very very reasonable, especially when you consider the costs of
blank tape, packaging, shipping 2 ways, etc... and, some of the money
does get to a&e and their causes, as you mentioned.

i just thought it was a little unfair to presume evil intent on the part
of the person who offered to make the copy, who was not asking for money
for the boots, and who was willing to wear out their own copy to make
them... but also very good of you to point out how it's not fair to
a&e not to buy the vid if one can.

take care, and thanks,
naz

>
>i really hate to ask for this again, but my copy of the list got
>unintentionally deleted...so, could some kind (indigo loving) soul out
>there send me another copy?
>thanks so much...
>with dreams of immortality,
>maggie
>ps did anyone notice that amy was wearing the *same* pair of jeans that she
>wore at newport?
>
>                      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>                      & "gonna be a long crawl *   maggie e. poulos    &
>                      &    a high climb *     me_poulos@acad.fandm.edu &
>                      &  through this soul of mine * bkrbkr@aol.com    &
>                      &  and if i have to learn *                      &
>                      &   to live again, *              *              &
>                      &        i'll shed my skin *    ~m&f~            &
>                      &    start all over again" *      *              &
>                      &              -michelle malone
>                       ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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on wed, 29 nov 1995 emily rusnak wrote:

> they have a different
> feel on the tv. usually it's pretty....hmmm....sterile.

yup, that's what it was.  when i would listen to them one tape or cd,
i could envision them really getting into it.  i will admit that i
was pretty impressed with amy, though.  now i know why there's this
thing about her breaking strings!  how could she not with the way she
was whaling?

> oh yeah, they warm up
> in a song or two. on tv, they just don't have the luxury of having a
> whole concert to kick in....

i've sort of lost my voice because of a really bad cold, but a friend
of mine who "watched" it with me (she talked the whole time!!!) has
taken great pleasure out of telling people that when the song was
over, i was quite vocal about them playing another one. :)  i'm a
little annoyed at dave about this.  he spent half an hour goofing
off, forty-five minutes in interviews, and the last fifteen was ig.
that's including comercial time.  sheesh!  if he had actually had
anything interesting in the half hour of goofing off, maybe i could
forgive him, but even the top ten was stupid!!

> but, anna, i hoped you taped last night. cuz that was, imo, the best tv
> performance they've had.

*sigh*  i live in a dorm, i don't own a tv/vcr, and i even had to go
to a different floor to find an available tv.  then, to top it off,
my friend that i mentioned earlier _talked_ through the whole thing!
i couldn't even watch it very closely.  i missed a lot to, from what
i read that other people have posted.  *sigh*  someday i will see
them again...

staic,
anna

if waffle house is open 24 hours a day, seven days a week,
and 365 days a year, why are there locks on the doors?
(besides for leap years.)

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                     ***************************
                      ***** elizabeth young *****
                       ***** call me crazy!! *****
                        ***** because i am!!! *****
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on wed, 29 nov 1995, jaime phillips wrote:

> one more question - does anyone know if there are ig stickers? i have
> indigo girl in very abbreviated form on my license plate, and i would
> love to put an ig sticker near it so people would understand it more often!
> thanks,
> jaime
> lercari@nevada.edu

as a matter of fact there are ig stickers. if you just send an
sase to the fan club address on the swamp ophelia cd insert they will
send you a catalog type thing that has bumper stickers, t-shirts, and
other ig goodies.

ely

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hey there everyone.  i have been listening to my rop cd quite a bit
lately.  i was wondering if anyone knew the story behind the song
chickenman.   i've tried to figure it out but have a bunch of off the
wall ideas which really have no point.  thanks. ely

"i could go crazy on a night like tonight..." --e.s. (and frequently
quoted by tiffani ann
williams.)

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on wed, 29 nov 1995, crazy!!!! wrote:
>
> as a matter of fact there are ig stickers. if you just send an
> sase to the fan club address on the swamp ophelia cd insert they will
> send you a catalog type thing that has bumper stickers, t-shirts, and
> other ig goodies.
>
> ely

i sent as sase off weeks and weeks and weeks (etc., etc.,) ago, and
haven't heard a thing back. is this to be expected? i know they've
probably been snowed-under since 1200cs came out, but *this long*??

hmm.

rebecca.
*****************************************************************

op = october project - a really good band with a nifty sorta feel to them.  i
posted a tidbit about them when we were still on that fav. bands beside ig
thread.  they have a self-titled cd and they just came out with a new one which
i don't know the title of cuz i haven't had the chance to get it yet but the
few songs from it i have heard sound just as great as their first album.  if
you want more info, check in with me or the sony web site (sorry, no address off
hand).

does anyone know what is up with the email fan club address. i sent a note a
bit ago and never got anything back. was i supposed to?? i _will_ send a sase
to the snail mail address and get the catalog. thanks for the tip.

avital
avital@lucy.cs.wisc.edu

hi again everyone ... sorry to bug y'all twice in the same day, but this
kinda just popped up while i was dubbing tapes for someone ...

does anyone have boots of these shows ??? ..

white dot - 3/16/88: prince of darkness; cold as ice; make it easier; secure
yourself; up in smoke; pushing the needle too far; summertime; walk away;
beauty to disaster; land of canaan; high horse and all along the watchtower

chapel hill - 1986: pushing the needle too far; thin line; nashville; no way
to treat a friend; white house blues; all along the watchtower

brandies u, waltham ma - 12/10/94: fugitive; wood song; three hits; least
complicated; center stage; virginia woolf; reunion; mystery; dead man's hill;
let it be me; hand me downs; language or the kiss; this train (revised);
power of two; joking; galileo; love's recovery; rockin' in th free world;
closer to fine

i received them in trade a while back and the were obviously taped over used
tapes ... you can hear other ig stuff or even other ig shows in the
background ... anyways the person who taped them ended up selling or giving
away their collection of ig stuff for whatever reason and said that they
could not re-tape them ... so if anyone out there had boots of these show,
please let me know and maybe we could work out a trade of some sort ...

thanks

chris

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in a message dated 95-11-29 16:24:03 est, lercari@nevada.edu (jaime phillips)
writes:

>hi all. i was wondering what is the group's wisdom regarding the
>'collectors edition' of the first album, which has gold disc, etc and
>retails for about $29. i figure it cant be too special since i
>saw two of them at wherehouse, a major chain.
>thanks,
>jaime

hi jaime!  since i was working for sony/epic when these were put out, i can
tell you that they were mainly intended for audiophiles....supposedly the
gold disc has a more superior sound than the regular discs, but unless you
have a really expensive state-of-the-art stereo system, you probably won't be
able to tell the difference.  they were also put out to appeal to the type of
collectors who would buy three different copies of a cd just because there
was a slight difference in the cover art.  in other words, it was a marketing
attempt to sell more (more expensive) cd's to a specialized "niche" market of
cd buyers.  i have one of the springsteen gold discs, and it doesn't sound
any better than a regular cd to me.  plus which, the special packaging
doesn't fit in my cd rack!!

-connie :)

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on wed, 29 nov 1995, pamela shaw wrote:

> ok- i thougth they were amazing... quite the rockers!!
definitely!!!

> i was happy to see jane, sara and jerry...
are you *sure* that was jerry? i thought so at first, but after repeated
viewings i decided it wasn't. if that is him, he no longer has a beard
and has grown a handlebar-type moustache (not that people can't change,
but he just looks very different).
jenn
jlk299s@nic.smsu.edu

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for my benefit (i'm a rookie indigos listserver), could someone clue me in
as to
where we might get the new video watershed? (is is sold in music shops yet?)
thanks, lynda r.

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nikki,
        it might have been me.  it's on the watershed home video.  emily
seemed to be joking around with those on the bus (i could have sworn that
jane scarpatoni was the criminal who broke emily's lipstick).  it's a
joke, just a pieceout of their lives on the road.  i wouldn't take it to
seriously, but it's nice to dream.

hoping you'll find something nice in your cereal box,
teri

on fri, 24 nov 1995, nikki nahra wrote:

> "i aim to please the girlies..."-e.s.
>
> a while back someone posted this at their closing.  does anyone know the
> context and/or meaning of this interesting quote??  :)
> just wondering...
>
> ig's&guitars,
> nikki
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in a message dated 95-11-29 20:13:46 est, guinione@aol.com writes:

>brandies u, waltham ma - 12/10/94: fugitive; wood song; three hits; least
>complicated; center stage; virginia woolf; reunion; mystery; dead man's
hill;
>let it be me; hand me downs; language or the kiss; this train (revised);
>power of two; joking; galileo; love's recovery; rockin' in th free world;
>closer to fine
>
>

oooh oooh oooh oooh oooh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i was there! i was there! i was there! i was there!

omigod, if anyone has this boot i will personally come to your house and beg
you for it on my hands and knees (unless you just wanted me to send a sase
and blank tapes, which would also suit me just fine :-))

pretty pleese with cherries on top???
alex :-)

p.s. i've never dealt with bootlegs before, aren't they illegal, or is it
only illegal if the specific and doesn't want to be recorded?  and if so,
what's a & e's policy.  thanx.
:-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)  i luv you guyz!!!  :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)

first off i have to say how wonderful amy looked on letterman last night.

i remember a few months ago, y'all were talking about ig bitmaps -- could
someone please tell me where to find them. there aren't any in glcf files
for some strange reason.

thanks in advance,

carlisle

hi y'all!! well, here we go again! just thought i'd add my 2 cents:

1.  what did amy's shirt say?  kill rade... ???  i know it's been really fun
for me to look that closely at her chest ;)
2.  they both seemed to have make-up on, i imagined them being backstage and
scurrying about, when out of nowhere, the make up person whizzes by with a
big blush brush and sweeps their faces ever so gently...
3.  i liked the blue glasses, especially the shape...
4.  i liked amy's watch.  i looked closely at it with a still frame pause and
it looks like a seiko?  somehow i never imagined her wearing a watch.  the
bracelet below it was great!  emily's necklace was beautiful...
5.  i wonder why dave asked emily, "are you all right?"  you think he stepped
on her?  he approached them rather clumsily
6.  yes, the other guitarist is a member of the cbs orchestra and has been
with dave et al for a long time...

ok, that was 6 cents :) if anyone in the bay area needs a copy of the show,
i can ask some friends to make a copy :)

g'nite ! rachel

hey! feliz cumpleanos on your 18th!!!!! we should keep a birthday list so
that we can all know each other's b-day. just an idea...

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this is for liz dacy if she is reading this (sooo sorry for the nigc)

but all my replies to you keep bouncing... could you try again to mail
me? thanks... phil

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hey y'all,

camping should definitely be an option to help those of us who can barely
afford to think of going, let alone actually going in style! <grin> i hope
this all works out. don't know for sure if i can go but i'm hoping to go.
i'll be going from san francisco if anyone else in the area is interested in
carpooling or flying or?

full of woe,

julie (wednesday's child)

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mine is september 29. i want to be the third one on your list.

thanks everyone for all the answers to my question about chickenman.
now i have another question.  if the song was about that guy at the side
of the road what is all the talk about road kill for?  i love all the
wierd stuff she says in that song.  it really gets me thinking.  any one
have any ideas???

oh, and does anyone have a cool interpretation of ghost??? i've got some
ideas but i love to hear other people's ideas. you see, it's my favorite.

"i could go crazy on a night like tonight..." e.s. yeah, yeah.......

ely

on thu, 30 nov 1995, rachel rivera wrote:

> hey! feliz cumpleanos on your 18th!!!!!  we should keep a birthday list so
> that we can all know each other's b-day.  just an idea...
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on wed, 29 nov 1995, lynda ransdell wrote:

> for my benefit (i'm a rookie indigos listserver), could someone clue me in
> as to
> where we might get the new video watershed? (is is sold in music shops yet?)
> thanks, lynda r.

i've seen it all over the place, usually in places i really wouldn't
expect to see it, including some pretty small record shops (but maybe
that's just because i'm in a college town...). yet i haven't seen more
than a single copy of it anywhere.

anyway, as you might be able to tell, i really haven't got anything
incredibly useful to say, i'm just procrastinating (the art of keeping up
with yesterday), except: "keep looking, you might be pleasantly surprised
and find it for a remarkably good price when you'd completely lost hope
of seeing it anywhere."

right, back to the (worryingly overdue) paper on 'little women'. anyone
got anything enlightening to say about the messages of the different film
versions (just in case...)?

rebecca.
(thank the lord for caffeine).
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so let me see if i understand this correctly...the indigo girls perform on
david letterman, and the bulk of the postings on this mailing list
concerned how great they were (no critique of what and how they performed
beyond that), emily's new haircut and eyeglasses, her really cool boots
with her skirt, and amy's fabulous hairstyle. oh, and amy broke a bunch
of strings.

a truly provocative analysis. it almost looks like this isn't so much a
mailing list discussing the indigo girls, but an on-line issue of teen
beat magazine (or is it tiger beat?)

just checking...

hi guys & gals,

a big huuuuuugggggeeeeee thank you !! :-)))))) to all you kind u.s. ig fans who
wrote to the list about letterman !!

it was on sky 1 (uk satellite station) last night at midnight (!!) and i stayed
up to watch & tape it. i would never have known about the show otherwise - but
i have to say that david letterman sucks !

but weren't amy and emily brilliant ? (i know, i know you've heard all this
already....) - amy raaaawwks. <sigh> - when am i ever going to see them live ??

couldn't someone ask them to come to aberdeen especially ? <dream on girl - ed>

any way, luv you guys lots !

take care,

gail

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hi folks,

a friend of mine has just forwarded this to me from the nanci griffith
mailing list:

>flash:
>
>nanci has been named artistic director for decatur, georgia's olympic
>concerts. she will headline one of the 5 planned concerts. each
>concert will have a theme, the 1st being irish music.
>
>the concerts are part of a 17 day festival in decatur. the festival,
>other than concerts is free. estimated concert price is $15/ticket.
>
>the organizers also hope to snare the local indigo girls. the mind
>reels at whom nanci might recruit!

if anyone in the atlanta area finds out more about this can they please
keep me informed.... i will be in south carolina when the olympics are on
and so i would be able to go to the ig concert :)

sharon

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subject:      re: greembelt and igs...

>>i think we were at the venue on different nights - i attended the first
>>night at sbe, you went to the second. from what i could see they were
>>mostly female and were pretty enthusiastic.
>>
>
>i was at both :):)

me too... and the other eleven :):):) yes we were born to na, na :)

>and in my opinion, most of the hardcore-went-to-every-gig following were
>really quite restrained...but hey, things look different from the back, and
>with hindsight, so...

yes it's true that we were quite restrained but you americans have to
understand that that is the way we are :) neil you and kirsti were probably
the least restrained right? saying all this, i can't wait to experience an
ig gig a la usa style. i would certainly feel much happier singing
(croaking along) if everone else around me was doing it too :) if you got
too vocal at a concert here you would probably be told to shut up by the
people around you :) different cultures.... amy and emily commented that
they find it so strange to have a quiet audience who listens :)

>>so what do greenbelt audiences look like then?

between us neil and i could probably name most of the people in the first
two rows and i can assure you that it was a pretty mixed bunch :)

>*shrugs*
>like, like, people??

i look like a person... well at least i did last time i looked :)

sharon

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>at 03:54 am 11/29/95 -0600, bradley mittelman wrote:

>>did anyone out there happen to see the ig in scotland last novemeber?
>>i must say that was a most incredible concert.
>>during the whol concert i was only a mere few feet away from amy and emily.
>>the single most incredible concert in my life.
>>i gave amy a dozen roses...she was so grateful!
>>she is so beautiful!
>>i looked at her and i said thank-you...
>>she looked right back at me...took my hand and said...
>>no....thank-you<<<

i was there too... a great night despite being soaking wet :)
mona lisa's and madhatters was just out of this world don't you think. that
was the night that amy sang the wrong verse in watershed and blamed it on
my friends and i. she claimed that she was following us :)

sharon

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please help me;

i did not know that the girls were going to be on letterman.if anyone out
there taped it and would like to contact me via e-mail i promise to make
it worth your while!!i'm dying to see it!

thanks ya'll,
deb

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hi everyone!  it's dory and i'm back.  i left because i needed some time to
reflect on what had gone down and now i'd like to reply briefly (yeah, right).
i listen to the igs because their music touches my heart and makes me feel
good, but i also listen to them because, for the most part, what i perceive as
their philosophy of life is similar to my own: loving one another, being
open-minded, not condemning others, etc.  i also assumed (important word) that
their fans were of like mind.  i guess i was naive there.  i figured that if i
stated an opinion, albeit a controversial one, that people might disagree, but
that no one would attack me personally.  i was deeply disturbed that some
people decided to attack me personally.  when i am attacked personally, i
retreat because i do not think that anyone has the right to judge me.  it goes
without saying that i don't have the right to judge anyone either.  i found one
reply in particular to be especially disturbing.  it was the one that had
called me obtuse and in need of psychological help.  what was so disturbing
about that was that it seemed as if the person was "stalking" me.  they had
started their post with a collection of my former posts and then went on to
attack me.  it was really scary.  to think that someone was actually keeping
track of my every "move" and then would attack me.  so i retreated.  but i'm
back.  also, when i am attacked like that, i just don't hear what the person is
saying.  i ignore whatever their message might be because their credibility is
reduced to zero when they start attacking me personally.

hey, i also want to clarify my comment about the bible being a patriarchal
piece of s**t.  i feel (again, my opinion) that the bible is used today by many
religions and some politicians to justify the oppression of women.  i realize
it was written thousands of years ago and was applicable at the time, but today
it's almost 1996 and things are different.  the fact that it is still used
today as a tool of oppression really pisses me off!  yes, the bible is a
collection of stories, sometimes beautiful ones, but it is also a powerful form
of control.  and not just women!  i think the bible is used by many religions
to keep everyone in line in one way or another.  i think that that is
detrimental to human beings.  we are imperfect beings.  expecting us to conform
to a certain ideal is unrealistic and spiritually damaging.  we are all
beautiful because we are different.  because we are individuals.

okay, enough on the bible.  i thought it was really great that my comment
sparked so much interesting stuff.  i hope it helped to make people more
open-minded.  hey, thanks for the jem stuff too.  i'm dating myself here, but i
was about 25 when i started watching them.  she was so great!  so strong!  i
also thought it was really neat that her band was multicultural - i think
almost every race was represented.

well, you'll probably hear from me again. i look forward to hearing you. just
don't attack me personally, okay???!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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p.s.  i forgot the most important part.  i want to thank all of you who wrote
to me with your support.  that was wonderful and felt really good.  i plan to
reply to each of you personally in the next few weeks (probably less - it's a
busy time at work right now).  thanks again.  - dory

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i know i just asked for chords, but you guys are so great and speedy
(thanks again!) that i'm asking for more! i would love any and all that you
could send/forward me. that would be just wonderful and i would love you
forever and you'll get to have that amazing warm feeling of making
someone oh so happy.
lots of electronic hugs and love, kel

i just want y'all to know that if ever saw them cover a joni mitchell
tune i would cry. it never ceases to amaze me how beautiful and talented
some people's minds and hearts can be. and it never ceases to amaze me
how some people can't be touched by this, or even see it for that matter.

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> i did not know that the girls were going to be on letterman.if anyone out
> there taped it and would like to contact me via e-mail i promise to make
> it worth your while!!i'm dying to see it!

hi deb,

i've got it on tape. i'd be happy to stick it on a tape along with the
decatur square concert that we talked about a while back...

things are very hectic with the end of the semester and everything, but i
should be able to get it to you within a week or two...

:)
lori

sorry for that last personal message to the list!

--lori

hi all. i was wondering, i have a tape of ig on austin city limits that
i taped about two years ago, but i know it was a show older than that.
does anyone know whan it was taped? it is with nanci griffith, mary
chapin carpenter, and julie gold.
thanks,
amanda

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on wed, 29 nov 1995, randy rohrer wrote:

> hypothesis 2:
> amy was emily's fashion consultant for this gig. :-)

so then, was emily wearing an *orange* t-shirt and a *red* button
down, with a baby blue mechanic's jacket? muhahahaa! ;)

on wed, 29 nov 1995 01:29:45 jones <jone3176@saintmarys.edu> wrote

<<<<<<<oh my god!!!!  so, we got a glimpse of them after 3 months of torture
without them.  hmmm...my thoughts, first of all, i taped it and it was by
total chance that i happened to be watching letterman at a friend's
apartment.  second of all, holy cow, emily chopped her hair.  i didn't
particularly care for em's glasses...blue tinted..hmm...but the black
skirt rocked with those boots..>>>>>>>>

i was thinking something along the lines of *what a change!* i know we all
project some--like for my own projection i'd say she may not as been
"laid-back and relaxed" as much as she's been "in control and uptight". i
don't see the "acting cool" as much as i see trying something new, getting a
little more creative, sprouting some wings........ from what i *think* i know
about her from lyrics and such i think emily is the continuously reaching for
the sincerity ring. and i think i prefer emily just as she is now. 'cause i
think i saw a little more freedom in those hips.... and that i can
celebrate!!!!

not at all a flame, hope you know, just another chance to say hey! we all
see things differently. and that thought doesn't make me crazy anymore.
(happy dance for me, too)

my sweetie watched with me and her first reaction was "she's gone electric!"
and we were both still, as ever, impressed with the magical fingers and
strings....

toodles

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subject:      (nigc)re: the bible really isn't sexist (longish)

wed, 29 nov 1995 03:20:38 -0500 nikki nahra <indigosgtr@aol.com>wote:

<<snip>> now, my intention is not to be cheeky, but this is not
generalization:
according to the bible, god is a father. never once mentioned as a
mother...and jesus *is* a man. and in one of the predominant illustrations
in the bible, that of marriage, he is the **bridegroom**.>>>>more
snippage>>>>>

here's a thought.....if some infinite (oooh, there's that word again!!) being
were to want to convey a meaning to us humans....wouldn't the feeling of
"family" be a nice one?  i am thinking that someone way back had one of those
awesome moments when they felt in their hearts that connection to "god" and
all was well with the world.  he (obviously a 'he') took what he knew about
life and made the "god" of his moment into a god of all moments.  and that's
where it breaks down.  "father" is meaningless to the fatherless, "loving
father" is meaningless to the person lacking one of those, "loving father who
cares" is meaningless, etc. etc. etc.   there are people out there who are
convinced that they understand the "father image" as the original authors
intended.....but we cannot, cannot, ever, imo--interpret what an image means
to us without having our life experience end up a part of that
interpretation.....

so i can't help but throw out all the stuff from scripture that has been put
through the human filter.  i am not even able to keep what are commonly
accepted as being  jesus' words (in your trusty red-letter editions) 'cause
they were written and recorded by the same synaptic ridden humans who started
the whole literal thing.  i can celebrate their attempts to pass on their
joys and pains of life.  the victories, the losses, the births and deaths,
the hopes and dreams.  the fear of uncertainty and their search for meaning.
back to the topic at hand--if there was an infinite being at the start of
all this, then his/her intent was to get to know us.  to convey a feeling of
connection.  wouldn't that be one of the most important aspects of his/her
existence, then?  (and i mean before the human authors wrote in their views
on male/female, mother/father, right/wrong, sin/salvation, death/life, etc.)
what do you all think?  to me that idea trivializes the discussions that
have taken over the garden of thought.  (just got a visual of squash in a
corner of the garden.  my folks had 74 from one 3x3 ft. mound!!)   seems that
if there's any chance what-so-ever that we could be barking up the wrong tree
we would want to step back and check it all out more closely.  step way back.
way back.  it makes me smile real big to think that the original intent was
just relationship.  (and i'm having a great time projecting my desires onto
my "god" image.)   'cause that would mean a lot of happy things.... among
others that the christianity subculture is not the only one capable of
spiritual insights and connections.

re: god's gender---in one of his/her most celebrated introductions, when
asked "who should i say is calling?" he/she just said "tell them it's _i
am_". again, that fits with my interpretation of who "god" is. so it makes
me real happy to think that this one "quote" is accurate. silly me.

nikki again...<<<<<<so just know--it's not random speculation. if you choose
to believe
according to the bible, then you will find inextricably incorporated in that
belief the plain declaration of god's fatherhood--to jesus, to mankind.>>>>

there are other symbolic descriptions of "god" in scripture -- other than
father.  some are brother, a protective bird (and we are nestled under
his/her wing), a mother (yes, it's there), a lamb, a shepherd, so many.  for
you to choose the father image as paramount is just that---your choice.  some
choose to see the "savior" as paramount. (as in lamb of god, serpent lifted
up, etc)  others like myself, choose to see the one in the garden walking and
talking with me.  waiting there for me when i'm busy on other things.
sharing the warmth and joy in creation.  happy, glad, proud even, when faced
with my own branching out towards loving respectful relationships.    seeing
all of those around us who share this spiritual/human existence as same but
different.  no roles, no genders, no nothing that would separate.

i'm interested in thoughts on this. i know i may have overstayed my
conditional welcome (since i'm so new here). sorry for the long post.

toodles

hi, first the question....i logged in this morning and had no messages
from the list when i normally get about 30 or 40....so i'm wondering what
is going on...i don't have jude's address anymore.

second, i wanted to try and get some information on leo peltier mentioned in
bmhawk...i know the name sounds familiar, and last night i saw someone with a
bumber sticker that said "free leo peltier" with his picture.

thirdly, i just wanted to add my own thoughts to one of the latest threads:

things i wouldn't have done if not for the ig's:

__i wouldn't have stood in the pouring rain for hours at last year's
newport folk fest.

__i wouldn't have made it through some very rough times in my life.

__i wouldn't have found this funny list! :)

thanks!! hope this was enough igc!

----------------------------------kerry-----------------------------------------

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date:         thu, 30 nov 1995 11:44:48 -0500
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i think it was originally recorded before rop came out and it has a
early version of "fare thee well" that was going to go on rop, but got
pushed on so...
mike r.

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subject:      james brady -- ig related

the proceeds from the daemon release of jcs went to a national handgun
control organization i think called handgun control inc, founded by sarah
and james brady, after james was shot during the assination attempt on then
president reagan.
a year ago (i think) the brady bill was signed into law to limit a 5
day waiting time on the purchase on handguns. it was named in his honor. i
think he was even at an ig show near dc last december.
well james brady suffered a heart attack (cardiac arrest) while at a
dentist visit on tuesday, (i think it was tues.) he was listed in critical
condition but as of last night was labeled in stable condition. james brady
is a digified, true and honest human being who has fought through many
problems to become what many see as a leading activist on disability and
handgun control issues. i hope people keep him in their prayers...
mike r.

world aids day is tomorrow !!!

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hey all..

for kerry and anyone else's benefit, you can get more info on leo's story
by going to:
http://web2.starwave.com/outside/online/magazine/0795/7f_leo1.html

that'll give you the whole story...or you can go read "in the spirit of
crazy horse"

interesting stuff...

michelle

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hey y'all:

oes anyone have the guitar music for the solo on thin line or emily's
part on all along the watchtower??? i'd be eternally greatful!!

michelle

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heyyyyyy !!

i have to disagree about the singing along at concerts in the uk (not ig gigs
tho' - i haven't been to any yet :(( - poor me !). i nearly always (strike
that, always) sing along at concerts - full bloodied from the diaphram (spelling
probably incorrect) singing and no one has ever told me to shut up. oh, btw i'm
probably only talking about gigs in scotland - maybe you are all more reserved
in england !!

actually, aberdeen crowds are quite reserved....i mostly go to central belt gigs
(ie glasgow, edinburgh) and the crowds down there go mental !!!

what are crowds at gigs like *in general* in the us ? oh well, i'll await the
backlash with interest...

btw, my import copy of 1200 curfews has just arrived (yeeehaaaaa !!) - it cost a
whopping l26.49 !

no prizes for guessing what i'll be doing tonite....!

thanks again for the letterman info...

gail

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on first read of this post, i shook my head. i think the great blend of
ages here on this mailing list is a good thing. i, too, have watched the
igs grow and change in many ways... emily's voice, amy's angry fire
smolder a little, their attire. looked at their old videos, watershed,
photos on their cds and their promo stuff.
indeed, when we hold up talent for scrutiny under the bright spotlights,
many things come under that scrutiny, including appearance, and changes
in the 'face' they choose to show to the world.
ok, so sometimes the thread of comments runs more surface than you
prefer. i don't think it takes a rocket scientist to scratch a little
deeper. i do, however, respect the collective mass of opinions and
questions and information that we all offer to one another here.
personally, i don't feel that being interested in what the igs were
wearing stereotypes me into a 'teenybopper'.
i remember what music i was listening to when i was a teen, and even up
into my late 20's and early 30's. it was so different! so... mainstream,
surface, and top-40's. the teens today are fortunate to have
lyricists/performers like the igs, if they can find them, wading through
the other mainstream-surface performers.
and, tis quite hard to critique a 10 minute letterman performance.
especially when they did a very unusual song - wounded knee - to spark
the politically charged facet of their personnas. i would have thought
they would have chosen something a little more 'benign', like galileo,
ghost, or even hammer/nail (ie. different messages) but, well, hey, they
had something to say...
helena, if the mountain of comments seemed to lean more toward a
'teenage' feel, in your opinion, just think about how buoyant, young, and
positive their message is to the younger crowd. they could be addicted to
guns&roses, or to whitesnake. thank heavens their choice in musical paths
has led them to the igs. even the slightest igs influence in your life
will make you a better soul.
imho,
--dianne, 37 and kept young by her 5 year old son, who loves igs,
especially galileo and joking!

on thu, 30 nov 1995, helena c. bretherton wrote:

> so let me see if i understand this correctly...the indigo girls perform on
> david letterman, and the bulk of the postings on this mailing list
> concerned how great they were (no critique of what and how they performed
> beyond that), emily's new haircut and eyeglasses, her really cool boots
> with her skirt, and amy's fabulous hairstyle.  oh, and amy broke a bunch
> of strings.
>
> a truly provocative analysis.  it almost looks like this isn't so much a
> mailing list discussing the indigo girls, but an on-line issue of teen
> beat magazine (or is it tiger beat?)
>
> just checking...
>
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subject:      desperately need the letterman tape!!

i am new to this wonderful service and am almost ill that i missed the
girls on letterman!! :(!! if anybody would be so kind to let me copy a
tape, i will gladly send a tape and postage! please e-mail me !! thanks!!!!

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you know, on 1200 curfews, they do a joni mitchell tune...

on thu, 30 nov 1995, tin angel wrote:

> i know i just asked for chords, but you guys are so great and speedy
> (thanks again!) that i'm asking for more! i would love any and all that you
> could send/forward me. that would be just wonderful and i would love you
> forever and you'll get to have that amazing warm feeling of making
> someone oh so happy.
> lots of electronic hugs and love, kel
>
> i just want y'all to know that if ever saw them cover a joni mitchell
> tune i would cry. it never ceases to amaze me how beautiful and talented
> some people's minds and hearts can be. and it never ceases to amaze me
> how some people can't be touched by this, or even see it for that matter.
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hi ya'll. i'm finally delurking after months...
i was wondering, lately people have been posting asking for chords
and guitar music...this is one of the main reasons i am on the list
and i was wondering if people could post their responses to these
requests as an alternative to privately e-mailing them...then we
can all enjoy the music! i would really appreciate it. thanks

jaiwa

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subject:      critique of letterman show

i know i would have had a lot more fun as a young teenager if the indigo
girls were in teen beat and tiger beat magazine... wouldn't a world where
that happened be great?
--jessie

>
> on thu, 30 nov 1995, helena c. bretherton wrote:
>
> > so let me see if i understand this correctly...the indigo girls perform
on
> > david letterman, and the bulk of the postings on this mailing list
> > concerned how great they were (no critique of what and how they performed
> > beyond that), emily's new haircut and eyeglasses, her really cool boots
> > with her skirt, and amy's fabulous hairstyle.  oh, and amy broke a bunch
> > of strings.
> >
> > a truly provocative analysis.  it almost looks like this isn't so much a
> > mailing list discussing the indigo girls, but an on-line issue of teen
> > beat magazine (or is it tiger beat?)
> >
> > just checking...
> >
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hi everybody..i hope that everyone is doing well..i know this is an
especially hard time for us college students, what with finals and all.
i just thought that i would put in my $.02 about letterman.  everyone
thought that emily was too done up but i was happy that she broke out
of the mold a little (the skirt was a nice touch i must say). amy
has invested in a new t-shirt i'm happy to report and she's recycling
those jeans from newport.  no american flag shorts or embroidered
jeans. :)  as far as letterman goes, i think that the girls are one of
his more favorite bands.  yes, it would be nice if he let them sit on the
couch for a few minutes, but has he ever done that before? no.  at any
rate, they have been on his show so many times that i think they probably
like him (at least a little bit).  i loved the performance, but that's because
i love them and i realized that i miss them so much! :( well, that's it,
i'll go back to writing my spanish paper now.  love, lynn
ps- hi maggie (my best friend who has given up emailing me or calling me),
lorinda, jamie and all the gang
"the prize is always worth the rocky ride...." -1/2 of my heroines

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subject:      i am an anomaly

excuse me, can you help? i missed the letterman show and i don't want a
copy of the tape. is there something wrong with me?

toodles.
margaret

ps-this is a joke; it is, however, completely true.

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can i bum a .sig?
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-------------< comments by indigo >--------------

ouch!!!

well, i don't know about anyone else around here, but i'm just a great
big kid (check the nick name) with an even greater and bigger crush on
amy.

i can amuse myself for hours talking about how fabulous she looked (and
sounded) at this show or that.  for example, (*grin*) the very first
time i saw the girls was at the palace theater in albany, ny when they
were on their nis tour.  my roommate ordered me tickets at the last
minute with her credit card but didn't tell me what kind of seating i
had (i assumed the balcony, since it was last minute).  turns out her
timing was absolutely perfect.  their promoter had just released a bunch
of tickets that had been reserved for radio stations and stuff.  i got
to see them from 6th row center (ahhh... the sweet spot!!).  close
enough to see the red tag on amy's levi's.  see, there was a point to
this.  *grin*  by the way she broke at least two strings during that
show and emily "forgot" part of the lyrics for "history of us".  i was
high for days afterward.

by the way, it seems to me that the girls are most likely very fond of
big kids like us. check out all of the children's lit references in
their songs. besides, everyone knows that amy is the ultimate big kid
herself.

just "kid"ding around,

indigo/dianne/tuesday's child

"if you want to know the secret behind a smile you've got to ask a
tuesday's child."

----------< end of comments by indigo >----------

a truly provocative analysis. it almost looks like this isn't so much a
mailing list discussing the indigo girls, but an on-line issue of teen
beat magazine (or is it tiger beat?)

just checking...

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from:         "judith k. hunter" <jhunter@rtc.gov>
subject:      re: chords and guitar music

well, the *first* spot everyone should goto to find the girl's music is moj's
site on the web. here is what i have:

***new*address*new*address*new*address*new*address*new*address*new*address***
*                                                                           *
*  e-mail: sam@intergate.net                                                *
*  house o' moj: http://www.intergate.net/uhtml/sam/index.html              *
*  adoption options: http://www.intergate.net/uhtml/sam/adoption/index.html *
*  melrose space: http://www.intergate.net/uhtml/sam/melrose/mp.html        *
*  indie tabs/chords: http://www.intergate.net/uhtml/sam/indietab.html      *
*                     ftp://intergate.net/users/sam/music                   *
**************(sorry for the long .sig - it's only temporary!)***************

then try ftp site: mirror.aol.com and look into uwp for music/guitar/lyrics

jude :)

-------------< comments by indigo >--------------

thanks! the quotes were from (in order) "crazy game" off of strange fire
and "keeper of my heart" off of nomads indians saints.

glad you liked them!

queen of quotes --
indigo/dianne/tuesday's child

"if you want to know the secret behind a smile you've got to ask a
tuesday's child."

----------< end of comments by indigo >----------

--e.s.

thanks for this. i needed it, too. what's it from?

|= ( -+- |_| |= |)
|_ ) | | | |_ |\
han@minerva.cis.yale.edu

--
--
                "a fable"
once upon a time there lived a girl.  she slept in a lovely little
cottage made of gingerbread and candy.  she was always asleep.
one morning she woke up and the candy had mold on it.  her father
blew her a kiss and the house fell down.  she realized she was lost.
she found herself walking down a crowded street, but the people were
made of paper, like paper dolls.  she blew everyone a kiss goodbye
and watched as they blew away.
                                -- written by angela

-------------< comments by indigo >--------------

hey! great idea! who wants to keep the list?

my b-day is april 20th.

indigo/dianne/tuesday's child

----------< end of comments by indigo >----------

hey! feliz cumpleanos on your 18th!!!!! we should keep a birthday list so
that we can all know each other's b-day. just an idea...

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am>diane,

am>i was off for thanksgiving and so i didn't get the message you replied to
am>(regarding the broken ig cds). could you please give me the address of
am>whoever wrote it? i'd like to write to him or her. thanks.

am>amanda leff
am>aml@minerva.cis.yale.edu

amanda--
i'm terribly sorry, but i seem to have erased that poor kids original
message. i'm actually pretty upset about it because i kind of wanted to
stay in touch with her/him and find out what happened.
so, if anyone else out there has a copy of that original post, please
forward the e-mail address to me also.

thanks,
indigo/dianne/tuesday's child

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subject:      bmhawk

does anyone have the chords for bmhawk? i tried to find them on
olga, but for some reason i couldn't link up. thanks!

staic,
anna

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
why did the chicken cross the road?

douglas adams:
forty-two.

albert einstein:
whether the chicken crossed the road or the road crossed
the chicken depends upon your frame of reference.

salvador dali:
the fish.

mark twain:
the news of its crossing has been greatly exaggerated.
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> excuse me, can you help? i missed the letterman show and i don't want a
> copy of the tape. is there something wrong with me?
>
> toodles.
> margaret

not at all. i expect that you've seen them enough that one song on
letterman wouldn't mean as much as it does to those of us who haven't
even seen a video.

anna

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
why did the chicken cross the road?

douglas adams:
forty-two.

albert einstein:
whether the chicken crossed the road or the road crossed
the chicken depends upon your frame of reference.

salvador dali:
the fish.

mark twain:
the news of its crossing has been greatly exaggerated.
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hey y'all.

i was completely oblivious to the girls being on letterman, because i've
been studying like mad for a stupid final that i just finished a few
minutes ago. now i sit here all bummed out, hoping one of you kind souls
taped it and would be willing to send me a copy. please! i am begging!!

thanks in advance,

miranda (your dedicated yet devastated n.o. planner)

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>by the way, it seems to me that the girls are most likely very fond of
>big kids like us. check out all of the children's lit references in
>their songs. besides, everyone knows that amy is the ultimate big kid
>herself.
>
>just "kid"ding around,

>i'm sure they are pretty fond of their fans, and i am also just a big kid.
the childrens' lit. examples also may have something to do with the fact
that emily's mom is a childrens' librarian.

-sheri

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hey y'all. i was just wondering if anyone has the words & \ or chords to
down by the river from 1200c's. i love that song sooooo much!! i have
tried to find a copy of neil young's version, but the only one i can find
is on a 3 cd set. thanks a bunch!!!!
love y'all, katie ><}}}'> :-) @---}-----

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hey everybody, it's katie again. i was just wondering if anyone knew the
story on the very last track on 1200 curfews. it is unlisted & it's right
after bmhawk-studio. i was wondering if anyone knew what song it starts
with. i know it is combined w\ tmf, but i have never heard the first part
before. anyway-(i know i'm rambling) i love it!! i don't know exactly
what it is about amy's voice, but that song just sends shivers up my
spine!!!! thanks a lot!!!! love,katie ><]]]'>

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> does anyone have the chords for bmhawk? i tried to find them on
> olga, but for some reason i couldn't link up. thanks!

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bury my heart at wounded knee
w&m by buffy st. marie, as covered by the indigo girls.

another four-chord song transcribed by guitar god casey connor,
with help with the words from indigo-girls listmembers.

----------------

"emily": (sing freely)

d a
indian legislation's on the desk of a do-right congressman

d g
but he don't know much about the issues so he

a
picks up the phone and asks the advice of the

d bm
senator out in indian country, a

g a
darling of the energy companies

d g a
they're ripping off what's left of the reservation

"amy": (with more rhythm)

a bm
i learned this safety rule i don't know who to thank

a f#m bm
don't stand between the reservation and the corporate bank

a f#m bm
they're sendin federal tanks, it isn't nice, but it's reality

chorus:

(no chord) d c g
bury my heart at wounded knee

d c g
i said deep in the earth

d c g
won't you cover me with your pretty lies

d c g
bury my heart at wounded knee

a bm
they got these energy companies they're tryin to steal our land
(or: who want to take our land)

a f#m bm
they got churches by the dozen tryin to guide our hand

a (f#m?) bm
and turn our mother earth over to pollution war and greed

get rich, get rich quick

chorus (with echoing bmhawk's?)

"jerry marotta":

we've got the federal books, we've got the covert spies
(or: federal marshals)
they got the liars by fire they got the fbi
they go to court and get nailed and still leonard peltier goes off to jail

the bullets didn't match the gun

chorus (with echoing bmhawk's - "bury my heart at wounded knee; it was an
eigth of the reservation; it was transferred in secret; you got your
murdering heart and intimidation; bury my heart at wounded knee")
(or: you got your murder and intimidation, etc...)

we're talking about a revolution

my girlfriend anna may, she talked about uranium
her head was full of bullets and her body dumped
the fbi cut off her hands and told us she died of exposure

chorus

bury me bury me

we had the gold rush wars, why didn't we learn to crawl?
and now our history gets written in a liar's scrawl.
they tell me

[no chord]

honey you can still be an indian, i mean, you know, wear those little
moccasins and play those bingo games down at the y on a saturday night.
("bullshit", except i think amy says "right" on compg's)

and they should...
chorus ("...you're going to cover me with your pretty lies...")

chorus ("...it's an eigth...etc...heart and intimidation...")

'bury my heart' repeated at end:

first voice stays on low d, second does "bur" and "heart" on f and "y my" on
e, third does "bur" and "heart" on a and "y my" on g, and a last voice
can do the high d for "bur" and "heart" and c for "y my" so it's:

dm c/d dm
bur y my heart

repeated over and over again. this is pretty much a guess and may be an
approxiamtion of the actual sining or may embellish it. whatever. you
might try tuning the low e to d and playing the normal d and then c
chords over it with the open bass string allowed to ring.

notes: for the verse, i think the f#m's are sometimes there and sometimes
not. and listen to the recording for the syncopated strumming pattern.
it's kooky.

capo 2 can make the f#'s and b's a lot easier to play, but then in the
chorus you have to play a bb which is tough to jam on for such a loud
part (for some of us...)

(hot off the press! judith k. hunter said):
>
> well, the *first* spot everyone should goto to find the girl's music is moj's
> site on the web. here is what i have:
>
thanks for the plug, jude! :)

here's a list of all the places on the internet that i am currently aware
of that hold chords/tablature files:

adam schneider's guitar web site:
http://www.umn.edu/nlhome/m161/schn0170/

olga (online guitar archive):
http://www.umn.edu/nlhome/m161/schn0170/olga.html

folkbook:
http://www.cgrg.ohio-state.edu/folkbook/

independent music chords & tabs:
http://www.intergate.net/uhtml/sam/indietab.html
ftp://intergate.net/users/sam/music

in addition, there are numerous ftp sites for archived guitar chords
which are listed on the olga web page. the ftp sites listed are in
america, australia, denmark, germany, portugal, greece and the uk. the
american ftp sites are:

mirrors.aol.com         subdirectory: pub/guitar
ftp.nevada.edu          subdirectory: pub/guitar
ftp.uu.net              subdirectory: doc/music/guitar
ftp.uwp.edu             subdirectory: pub/music/guitar

now, if that doesn't answer the question "where can i find chords", i
honestly don't know what will *grin*

peace,
stacie

**new addresses**          e-mail: sam@intergate.net
  house o' moj             http://www.intergate.net/uhtml/sam/
  adoption options         http://www.intergate.net/uhtml/sam/adoption/
  indie music chords/tabs  http://www.intergate.net/uhtml/sam/indietab.html
  melrose space            http://www.intergate.net/uhtml/sam/melrose/mp.html
  "and now each and every day i realize the price i have to pay" - adam ant

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