lifeblood: listlogs: 1995-12a

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date:         thu, 30 nov 1995 15:51:06 -0700
reply-to:     "teresa c. esguerra" <sac83826@saclink1.csus.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "teresa c. esguerra" <sac83826@saclink1.csus.edu>
subject:      re: amy's amp.
x-to:         ** craig cook ** <cookca@cs.purdue.edu>
in-reply-to:  <pine.sol.3.91.951129095245.15931c-100000@lore.cs.purdue.edu>

craig and all,
still can't say. twin speaker combo of some sort??? i can just
imagine amy into solid states too.

        wanted to see for all guitarists who saw letterman what emily was
stepping on...i'm guessing a volume pedal????  pretty sure it wasn't a
wah.  any observations???

peace and hair grease,
teri

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>scheff@husc.harvard.edu, edecoste@husc.harvard.edu,
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>from: gorke@husc.harvard.edu (sugarbear)
>subject: cookie lovers recipe!
>
>a rare thing indeed, a forward from frank, but this one is justified
>
>>date: thu, 30 nov 1995 14:43:09 -0500 (est)
>>from: susan e vietor <sevietor@hopper.unh.edu>
>>to: kimbo <klongueil@lynx.dac.neu.edu>, here!!! <camanero@hopper.unh.edu>,
>>        julie haddad <jhaddad@moose.uvm.edu>,
>>        frank gorke <gorke@fas.harvard.edu>, chicky!
>><0389254@sacredheart.edu>,
>>        chicky! <0408405@sacredheart.edu>, alphaphi <pjstarr@hopper.unh.edu>
>>subject: cookie lovers recipe!
>>mime-version: 1.0
>>
>>hey!  for all you cookie lovers look at this!!!
>>
>>                                              -susan
>>
>>************************************************************************
>>        this message is sent to you with the hope you will forward it to
>>        everyone you have ever even seen the e-mail address of. in the
>>        spirit of the originator, please feel free to post it anywhere
>>        and everywhere.
>>
>>        * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
>>
>>          okay, everyone....a true story of justice in the good old u.s.
>>        of a.  thought y'all might enjoy this; if nothing else, it shows
>>        internet justice, if it can be called that.
>>          my daughter & i had just finished a salad at neiman-marcus cafe
>>        in dallas & decided to have a small dessert.  because our family
>>        are such cookie lovers, we decided to try the "neiman-marcus
>>        cookie". it was  so excellent that i asked if they would give me
>>        the recipe and they said with a small frown, "i'm afraid not."
>>        well, i said, would you let me buy the recipe? with a cute smile,
>>        she said, "yes."  i asked how much, and she responded, "two
>>        fifty." i said with approval, just add it to my tab.  thirty days
>>        later, i received my visa statement from neiman-marcus and it was
>>        $285.00. i looked again and i remembered i had only spent $9.95
>>        for two salads and about $20.00 for a scarf.  as i glanced at the
>>        bottom of the statement, it said, "cookie recipe - $250.00." boy,
>>        was i upset!! i called neiman's accounting dept. and told them
>>        the waitress said it was "two-fifty," and i did not realize she
>>        meant $250.00 for a cookie recipe.  i asked them to take back the
>>        recipe and reduce my bill and they said they were sorry, but
>>        because all the recipes were this expensive so not just everyone
>>        could duplicate any of our bakery recipes....the bill would
>>        stand. i waited, thinking of how i could get even or even try and
>>        get any of my money back.  i just said, "okay, you folks got my
>>        $250.00 and now i'm going to have $250.00 worth of fun." i told
>>        her that i was going to see to it that every cookie lover will
>>        have a $250.00 cookie recipe from neiman-marcus for nothing. she
>>        replied, "i wish you wouldn't do this." i said, "i'm sorry but
>>        this is the only way i feel i could get even," and i will.  so,
>>        here it is, and please pass it to someone else or run a few
>>        copies....i paid for it; now you can have it for free.
>>
>>        (recipe may be halved.):
>>
>>
>>        2  cups butter                     4  cups flour
>>
>>        2  tsp. soda                       2  cups sugar
>>
>>        5  cups blended oatmeal**         24 oz. chocolate chips
>>
>>        2  cups brown sugar                1  tsp. salt
>>
>>        1  8 oz. hershey bar (grated)      4  eggs
>>
>>        2  tsp. baking powder              3 cups chopped nuts (your
>>        choice)
>>
>>        2  tsp. vanilla
>>
>>        ** measure oatmeal and blend in a blender to a fine powder.
>>
>>        cream the butter and both sugars.  add eggs and vanilla; mix
>>
>>        together with flour, oatmeal, salt, baking powder, and soda. add
>>
>>        chocolate chips, hershey bar and nuts.  roll into balls and place
>>
>>        two inches apart on a cookie sheet.  bake for 10 minutes at 375
>>
>>        degrees.  makes 112 cookies.
>>
>>
>>        have fun!!!  this is not a joke --- this is a true story..
>>
>>        ************************************************************
>>
>>        that's it. please, pass it along to everyone you know, single
>>
>>        people, mailing lists, etc.....
>>
>>
>>
>>        <---- end included message ---->
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>merry christmas!!!!
>
>
>

don't suppose this is allowed really but just heard & got no-one else
here to tell....just a quick announcement to encourage
all of you busy completing college assignments (ok, truthfully
just to boast a bit..)

fiona sanderson m.ed, maggie wheeler m.ed

"spent four years prostrate to the higher mind
got my paper and i was freeeeeee" - e.s.

only in our case it was two years.....(the hardest and best two
years of our lives fiona????)

thanks everyone for sharing your ig stories.  i love to hear them.
(i'd love to be the one amy blames for singing the wrong verse.  or
even to have the opportunity to shake her hand.  :)  of course i am a
little envious.  but i believe my time will come.  all this talk about
letterman makes me think of when the girls were on the tonight show a
while ago.  a kind soul at my favorite radio station gave us some
crucial info that would lead us to amy and emily...live.  ("us"= me and
my best friend,  teresaig.)  we were so excited, made some new
life-long friends and got some smiles, thumbs-up and waves from the
girls that i will never forget.  we even got their autograph on jay
leno's cue card.  (jay-  he's another story--too long )  amyrays, the
original autograph is somewhere in seattle now.  all i have is a lovely
photo copy.  but hey, that and the memories are better than nothing.
everyone, if y'all don't mind, please share your personal amy and emily
stories with me.  privately or on the list, i don't mind.  and i hope
no one else will.  i know i love to hear them, even though i do get a
little jealous.  :)  sorry this is so long.  gotta
go--peace&love---emily

i've subscribed for many months, but have never felt compelled to post (or
de-lurk, as some put it) until now.  something's wrong !   i don't seem to
be getting any posts!   i guess this is mostly a test to see if i'll
receive my own message.  oh well. i guess i'll find out  what's wrong
soon........

*************************************************************
amanda johnson
northwestern university
ae-johnson@nwu.edu
                                                      "what is dark in me,
                                                              illumine...."
                                                                   -milton
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date:         fri, 1 dec 1995 12:58:20 cst
reply-to:     larry 'daffy' daffner <ldaffner@muirwood.convex.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         larry 'daffy' daffner <ldaffner@muirwood.convex.com>
subject:      re: nigc: cookie lovers recipe!
x-to:         jeff evans <jevans@itsmail1.hamilton.edu>
in-reply-to:  message from jeff evans <jevans@itsmail1.hamilton.edu> of "thu,
              30 nov 95 23:11:20 est."
              <9512010411.aa18460@itsmail1.hamilton.edu>

please stop sending this! the story is false, and in the past month i
have seen it at least 5 times i can remember. (2x here, 1 on another
mailing list and 2 on usenet) it is a false story, it is out of
control, most people who have been on the net longer than a month have
sen it, and it's a tremendous waste of bandwidth. besides, it's not
as if there's not enough mail on the list anyways.

sorry if this sounds a little rough, but i'm just getting tired of
seeing this.

-larry

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sorry to waste your time, this is just a test........

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date:         thu, 30 nov 1995 15:24:49 -0700
reply-to:     "teresa c. esguerra" <sac83826@saclink1.csus.edu>
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from:         "teresa c. esguerra" <sac83826@saclink1.csus.edu>
subject:      re: frank stanford
x-to:         lorinda wright <lw01@lehigh.edu>
in-reply-to:  <199511262324.saa41858@ns5-1.cc.lehigh.edu>

lorindigo,
        well lori, i did check out some frank stanford stuff here at
school, and i don't know if we're talking about the same dude, but man -
it was depressing stuff.  death and painful childhood memories.  i could
see what amy got out of it even if i didn't understand it all.  the
collection i checked out was something called "you".  that's the stanford
i checked out.  one hell of a tortured soul if you ask me....

what's in your cereal box?
teri

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date:         fri, 1 dec 1995 18:17:08 -0500
reply-to:     tin angel <kbridges@hopper.unh.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         tin angel <kbridges@hopper.unh.edu>
subject:      re: down by the river
x-to:         katie mccurry <ktm@utkux.utcc.utk.edu>
in-reply-to:  <pine.sol.3.91.951130155836.8057h-100000@utkux4>

i do have the chords and lyrics (neil young version) go nuts! love kel:

em7   a    em7    a
em7                 a
be on my side, i'll be on your side, baby
em7                    a
there is no reason for you to hide
em7                    a
it's so hard for me    stayin here all alone
em7                       a           cmaj7
when you could be takin me for a ride      yeah
bm      cmaj7              bm
yeah    she could drag me  over the rainbow
c                bm  d
   and send me away
g    d         a  g   d         a
down by the river  i shot my baby
g    d         a    em7
down by the river    dead
a   em7        a
oooh    shot her dead

you take my hand i'll take your hand
together we may get away
this much madness is too much sorrow
it's impossible to make it today
yeah
ooh yeah
she could drag......

end:

g d a g d a
down by the river i shot my baby :/

hi!
i am new to this list - thing, but i really love ig...i was wondering if
anyone would be willing (in exchange for blank tapes and sases) to make
me copies of purple parrot and any bootleg or promo they have. i
actually had never even heard of ig until about a year ago but since then
i have been hooked! thanks.....
jenn

hey fellow ig-heads!

i've noticed that there seem to be a lot of amy ray fans out there, so i
thought i'd share an amy story with you.

about 3 or 4 years ago, the now-defunct ellen james society was playing in a
little (and i mean little!) club here in charlotte, and amy made the trip
with them. most of the evening, amy stayed by the sound board, making sure
everything was sounding okay, but for their finale, she ran up on stage
(unintroduced) to sing "god in heaven" with ejs (which, by the way, was an
incredible performance!).

afterwards, she went back to the sound board, and as i was talking with her,
some guy (obviously raised in a barn) came up to her and said "hey, your
band is incredible...you should sing more, though...how long have you guys
been together?"  well.....amy just looked at him for about 5 seconds as if
she was trying really hard not to give a smartass reply, and finally just
said "um..i'm not actually with the band."  he shrugged his shoulders and
went on.  she turned to look at me and rolled her eyes...pretty funny!
also, incredible self control on her part!

loving being in charlotte, where amy turns up unexpectedly....

-kam

thank you so much for the response! i really appreciate everyone
who told me where to go (i didn't ever think i'd say that!)
well, at least where to go to get chords and guitar music.
thanks ya'll!!

jaiwa

hi folks,

just thought y'all should know that there's going to be another billings
house benefit concert in atlanta at 8:00 p.m. on thursday, december 21, at
the cotton club. it's called holiday rock for aids, and to date, scheduled
guests include michelle malone, mary fortune express, and vigilantes of
love, plus some other *very special guests* who shall remain nameless at
the moment but will probably be announced a few days before the show...
(draw whatever conclusions you like from that one... ;) ;)

tickets are $15 and you can inquire about when they'll go on sale by
calling the cotton club at (404) 874-1993 (although whenever i call that
number, i get a recording, so who knows...). all proceeds will go the
the billings house.

i'll keep you posted if i hear anything else...

peace,
lori

p.s. i don't think they're planning to do t-shirts for this one. sorry!

     come out to my friends and family (the song fugitive had everything to
     do with it-"it feels so funny to be free")
     yvette

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subject: things i wouldn't have done if not for ig
author: renee l grebe <grebe+@cmu.edu> at smtpcc
date: 11/28/95 9:23 pm

fly to arizona from philadelphia, drive to new mexico (see the girls),
drive up through colorado, drive through wyoming, see devil's tower,
drive through south dakota, see mt. rushmore, get stuck in kadoka south
dakota, keep driving though whatever the rest of the states are, get
into my first accident ever crossing the mississippi, end up ok, keep
driving, all the way back to philadelphia...

all in 5 days....

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i too missed the girls on tv, and i am dying to get a current glimpse of
amy.  would any sweety list members out there feel like taping it for me, if
i send a tape and postage?  does anyone have the means to do so?  write me
personally, i'd much appreciate it.  thanks
erica

heather -

i recievedd your check and have no shirts left. please contact me.

peace,
jon

"if we give gays and lesbians civil rights, then everyone will want them!"

poetry:
http://poetryx.guinet.com/poems/1995_05/pxp00149.htm

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i have no opinion because i didn't see it! can someone help me out.
will send tape and postage. thanks.

dimitra

i was watching the letterman tape, and i noticed dave whispering to amy.
what about? not sure, but here's my top 7 guesses (sorry, but i would have
thought up 3 more if i were more creative. feel free to complete the list):

7) thumbs up on the hair.

6) i couldn't hear a thing. your bassist's outfit was louder than the band.

5) you're amy, and she's emily, right?

4) i think i swallowed your pic when it landed in my mouth.

3) that was amazing. doing anything after the show?

2) i think if we plugged you in, you might be able to power all of
manhattan.
.
.
. (drum roll)
.
.
1) nice pants.

peace y'all,
l.h.

the cookie story has been around a lot longer than the net has.  i remember
reading the story in the newspaper several years back.  i thought it was
true--maybe i'm being naive and it's completely bogus.  at any rate,
they're some darn good cookies, so why not pass the recipe along?

imagine my surprise when i was reading my mail and i saw my signature on a
post i didn't write! apparently my friend, who checks her e-mail on my
computer, decided to actually send a note to the forum using my computer!
no big deal--just thought i'd clear it up in case anyone was confused, or
even cared......

secondly, the correct spelling is "y'all"--as in "you all". i've noticed
more than a couple folks saying "ya'll". just wanted to clarify. i'm a bit
nit-picky with things like that.

until next time.......

i normally don't respond to these types of messages, but i just couldn't
resist this time. if you are truly interested in this image of god as a
father (and i believe you are), read "the future of an illusion" by freud.

yes, freud did occasionally write about religion, and this book (don't
worry, it's really short - more of an essay really) is one of his best
examples. i had to read it earlier this semester for a course i am taking
from the religion department titled "faith and doubt in the modern age".

    "future of an illusion" is a genetic critique of religion, in which
freud contends that our entire concept of god was created from the need    to
fufill a father-child relationship.  he starts out with the socialization of
man and ends with modern-day christianity, with all its customs and values.

     anyways, it is really interesting reading if you have the time.  i'm
sure you would appreciate its contents.  they amazing thing is, even if you
don't believe a word of freud's psychology, it does not hurt his critique a
bit.  tell me what you think....

(sorry for all this--i promise it's my last post for the evening!)

you play with a guitar _pick_. a "pic" is short for picture.

just had to get that off my chest. ahhhhh. i feel better now. thanks.

well, personally, i would have much preferred to see them do one of
their own songs...

(happy, lorinda? :)

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jude shabry | hey_jude@brown.edu | "i try never to get involved in my own
<http://www.netspace.org/~jude/> | life- too much trouble" -- garibaldi

i've seen this mentioned but not described yet...well i was lucky enough
to find one tonight.

this is not breaking curfew, teh disc one promo only disc.  this is
the whole  1200 curfews set. it is a cardboard packaging but the
outside panels have a thin wooden cover onthem.  there are two
"screws" on the spine holdin the inernal stuff into place.  my
copy was sealed by a ticket liek the one that was sent
out in the fan club mailing.  but, i had to see what was iside so
i opened it  :)  the ticket is also numbered so this must be
a rather limited promo. it is also stamped with the album's us
release date.

the inside...the cd's themselves are in tight pockets on the inside
pof the outer panels (does that make sense?). the pages inside
have pcitres not in the regualr relase adn the songs are accompnied by
whre the track was from, who produced/mixed it, and the musicians.
none of the notes that ig wrote are in here. on the last page
of the insert is a guitar pick, dark grey, with indigo girls on it.
the pick is glued to the page.

it's a neat package but wont hold up well to a lot of handling
so i am goign to go put it in a nice plastic bag now :)

amy p.                          /       who holds your hand
pegasus@crl.com                /        when you're alone
                              /
the original photo monk      /                  --patty larkin

dear all,

while we seem to be on the subject of tabs and chords for ig songs, has
anyone out there got any for new mongrels stuff. can't find any on the
web, and haven't got the time to figure it out at the moment (papers,
papers and more papers. this american education system, as we brits
would say, or at least as i'd say, sucks the mutton....).

anyway, grovellingly grateful if you have,and can send it on, won't take it
personally if you haven't,

rebecca.

stumbled across a promo copy of the new october project album this
evening, and acting on someone here's recommendation of them a day or two
ago bought it -- thank you, thank you whoever you were (sorry, can't
remember). i like it (lots).

*****************************************************************

     "a dreamer is one who can only find his way by moonlight, and his
     punishment is that he sees the dawn before the rest of the world"
                                                        oscar wilde

rosa-

i ave recieved your check for the t-shirt.. please send me e-mail, as
i do not have any xl's left.

sorry, possibly we can arrange something.

peace,
jon

... "death is but a doorway - time is but a window - i'll be back."
-vigo the omnipotent.

"if we give gays and lesbians civil rights, then everyone will want them!"
(congress)
"yes."
(the people)

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i, too, have seen the watershed video all over the place. it's in every
record store -- major chains (best buy, tower, hmv, borders, barnes &
noble) and independent stores. the wonderful mail-order house ladyslipper
has them ($19.98 + s/h); just call 800-634-6044 or write
ladyslip@nando.net. i think cdnow stocks them (http://cdnow.com).

but *please* don't bootleg it. it's so obvious that a lot of loving care
was put into "watershed" and it deserves a payoff in sales. but even if it
was dreadful, i find the idea of bootlegging something that's readily
available completely abhorent (and it has *nothing* to do with "list
policies," just common sense).

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__________________________________________________________________________
"we barely have time to react in this world, let alone rehearse"
- ani difranco, "letter to a john"

because i am a teenager does that mean its okay for me to talk about amy and
emily's appearance?????

just a thought before you go sterotyping people

kate

the yellow rubber ducky world tour

okay you might be asking....what is this all about?? read on->

i am starting a world tour of a rubber ducky that i plan to give to my
favorite teacher when i graduate from high school. (.there is a long story
behind this and if you want to know email me)......here is what i want to
do....i want to send my duck to different people all over the world....then
they can take my duck around town, take it on vacation, take pictures with
it, eat with it, drink with it and sleep with it (just don't emotionally scar
the poor thing)...after having a couple of the days with the duck the "host"
will send a postcard/letter to me telling the ducks adventures and include
any pictures or other stuff vital to the story...then the host will send the
duck to the next host....and the process will continue...i am hoping to find
people willing to be hosts all around the world....c'mon... this is your time
to be creative and let loose....so volunteer for the duck world tour.....you
can email me if your interested..

thanks a bundle and sorry for the bandwith
kate-quack!

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date:         fri, 1 dec 1995 01:19:20 est
reply-to:     sue steinike <steinike@mace.cc.purdue.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         sue steinike <steinike@mace.cc.purdue.edu>
subject:      letterman, jem, etc.
in-reply-to:  <199511300508.aaa02950@mace.cc.purdue.edu>; from "automatic
              digest processor" at nov 30, 95 12:00 am

i happened to catch letterman without even knowing ig were on until they
announced it. i haven't watched it regularly lately for a long time - i'm
too tired by the time 11:30 rolls around! i don't know what possessed
me to watch it; maybe some subliminal messages from all of you people!
or an ig sixth sense/radar or something like that...

about the jem stuff, it really doesn't ring a bell for me, but does anybody
remember those shows that were part of the kroft afterschool lineup - like
the bugaloos, land of the lost, dr. shrinker, sigmund the seamonster, etc?
i used to watch these shows all the time!  also, it's really scary that i
can remember all the words to the brady bunch, scooby doo, etc. theme songs,
and countless commercial jingles, but when it comes to something real like
my research or something i learned (or should have learned) in history or
whatever, at times i just draw a blank!  they should make new schoolhouse
rock for college and grad. students.   i'm sure most of you know all of
those, too (conjunction junction, what's your function?...)  somebody stop
me, it's 1:30 in the morning; time to get my reaction started and go home!

sue

greetings fellow indicators!!

so, partly as an excuse, partly for interest, and partly for a beg for help
here is neily's life, as planned for the next six weeks...

a week of finals in one weeks time, followed by four weeks in the states.
(hence the delayal of the originals tape until the new year...update to
follow one day soon...)

gonna be in lancaster pa from about sunday 17th december (flying into and
back from detriot, obviously :p:p )

gonna hit nyc for a couple of days sometime then...
where are the best and cheapest places to stay?? thanks :):)

prolly not going to make it down to atlanta for the rdr thing...

gonna be in east lansing, mi from sunday 7th?? january for a week...

so there you go :):)

need help on the nyc thing...thankeemuchley :)

@}--,--'--

  |\/\/\/| neil hunt :)        'well they said if i wrote the perfect letter,
  |      |  wey 2/06             you would take me back.
  |      |   surrey court         well i wrote it,
  | (o)(o)    university of surrey and you burnt it,
  c      _)  guildford              now will you take me back anyway now...
  |   __|   surrey                   if, if you swear,
  |   /    gu2 5xh                    that you no longer care,
/____\   england                      well then i'll sail this ship alone...'
/      \ +44 (0)1483 259393 ex. 4972    @}--,--'---

i'm posting quite a bit lately, eh ???

i set the 'ol vcr last night to tape anything on vh1 from about 10:30pm on
....

and wouldn't ya know -- the only way i ever catch the new videos is this way
-- there they were --- about 10 minutes after the repeat of the vh1 honors
show ...

the video was cool --- but i must ask --- what is wrong with em ??? she looks
really -- um -- weird ... really skinny and what's up with these glasses ??
-- i've heard about the letterman bit -- the blue glasses --- she's wearing
them in 95% of the video --- they don't show her all that much --- more of
amy (who looks incredible -- albeit skinny, too) ... but emily just looked
very strange -- somethings not right ...

anyone else catch the video yet ????

and no flames please -- i'm just concerned -- i don't want her to get so
skinny that she disappears ...

chris --> who's heading to philly for my 25th birthday tomorrow ... if
anyone's in the philly area, go to le femme on saturday night and catch
commonbond !!!!!!!!!

see y'all next week !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

if anyone out there has the letterman tape and they want to make a copy for
me, i would greatly appreciate it. i can't believe i missed it.
-susan

if you are interested in getting a dub of 'tuesday's children' here's a
chance. in case you are not familiar with the tape, it was amy and emily's
first independent release (under the name b band), and is all cover songs
with the exception of 'back together again' (the same version that is on
'1200 curfews') and tuesday's children (an amy song). the song list and
lyrics are available through http://www.hidwater.com/lifeblood.

here's the deal:
you send me a tdk sa-60 (please be sure to send this specific tape type) and
a self addressed stamped envelope and i dub the tape and send it back to
you. please email me privately (even if you already have my address) by
friday, december 8th, so i know how many tapes i will be making. your tape
will need to be in the mail to me by saturday the 9th.

as always, i ask that if you get the tape and you hear of someone who is
looking for it later on, you try to help them out.

take care -

carolyn

i wanted to comment on this group.  this is a place where we talk about ig.
the ig are important to everyone here in unique and different ways.  i wanted
to say that you are the most non-judgemental, sincere people that i have found
in a long time.  i only hope that i will be able to pick up some of your
wisdom and insight, but i guess that will only come through time.  i wanted to
thank those of you who have been consoling me; you have been consoling a
stranger, and by that, you have shown your true character.  i have opened up
to a lot of you, and those people probably know that lately i have needed the
wisdom of life.  i wanted to say that the ig are not only people who we listen
to to sing along to their music; the ig are the best thing in the world to a
lot of us.  they help us get through the tough times, and they make us happy.
everyone who reads this should sit at their computer and give themselves and
ig a great commendation for their efforts.  you guys are awesome.
-susan

"and the best thing that you've ever done for me/ is to help me take my life
less seriously/ it's only life after all.-e.s."

to: nanci@world.std.com
sender: nanci-approval@world.std.com
precedence: bulk
reply-to: nanci@facteur.std.com

>from this mornings atlanta journal:

trying to position decatur as a cultural crossroads during the
centennial games, city officials tuesday announced the signing of folk
singer nanci griffith as artistic director for a series of five
olympic concerts.
there will be two shows leading up to the games and three during them
at the 7,500-capacity decatur high school stadium. griffith will
headline one, tentatively set for aug 1, and decatur officials also
hope to book griffith plans and

decatur natives the indigo girls.

the concerts are part of decatur's 17-day hometown to the world
festiveal, celebrating the city's role as a hospitality site for
olympic committees from ireland and africa.
in honor of its guests, the five concerts will explore the irish and
african music traditions that helped shape acoustic southern music,
>from the blues to bluegrass, decatur downtown devellpment director lyn
mennie says. the texas-born griffith, who move between homes in
nashville and dublin, ireland, was selected in part because of the
irish connection.
the first concert on march 17, will feature irish music. the secon, on
an undetermined saturday in may, will be blues, jazz and gospel.
other programming includes a fiddler's fest, a beach party, a
wqide-screen tv showing on the square of opening ceremonies and a
night of african performance and food. the city has launched a
$500,000 sponsorship drive to underwrite the fest, which will be free
except for the five concerts. general admission tickets should go for
$15.

<---- end included message ---->

did some recreational shopping at a record store last night and in the
"women's section" under folk, lo and behold a cassette of the 1989-1990
newport folk festival appeared with, among others, ig doing american tune and
shawn clovin singing cry like an angel (which was out-of-sight, btw) and some
pete seeger (apparently an old standby by that period of time on the newport
circuit). what really turns me on is this: the liner lists the address and
telephone number of the publishers of the tape red house records and it
appears that they *make one of these for each year* which leads me,
naturally, to assume they have one for 1995. would that be cool or what?

i'll call them tonight!

also: the funniest memo-sticky i have ever seen was one i got from a
listmember (hi bev) who sent it with a tape to me:

two chickens. one says to the other: "why did the man cross the road?"

the other one says: "who knows why a man does anything."

jude :)

i haven't gotten a post from the ig listserve in about 16 hours!! did
everyone get quiet or is there something wrong with the server? i'm starting
to experience withdrawl......

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i know! i was so excited!

on thu, 30 nov 1995, dianne wrote:

> you know, on 1200 curfews, they do a joni mitchell tune...
> >

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from:         michael reynolds <asl@gandalf.umcs.maine.edu>
subject:      re: nigc: cookie lovers recipe!
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              nov 30, 95 11:11:20 pm

the neiman marcus thing never happened, the post has been floating around
for a few years, the cookies are pretty good tho, it is all a joke
mike r.
(who is alive, barely, after taking his third c++ test 8^))

i was talking to our former (and hopefully soon-to-be-again) fellow
list-member, bert the other night. i mentioned the aol chat thing with a and
e, and how amy said she's embarrassed to change clothes at the y. bert's
suggestion: we should take up a collection on the list and buy her a soloflex
machine so she doesn't have to go to the y. ha ha. just kidding. :)

and i was watching jill henessey (sp?) on law and order the other night, and
her wish to be the third indigo girl. we oughta find a way to write to her and
tell her "hey, if you want to be the third indigo girl, then this is the club
to join!" :) it'd be funny if she joined the list so she could dream along
with the rest of us.

sorry, i guess i don't have anything really interesting to say today...

folkisgruven,
lorindigo

    i           will            not        be               complacent
lorinda wright           "learn to pretend there's more than love that
lw01@lehigh.edu           matters. -e.s.
lehigh university         "the apathy of time laughs in my face
bethlehem, pa             you say each life has its place. -e.s.
    i           will            not         be              complacent

oh oh oh, with everyone talking on the list about the appearance, i so much
want to see it too!  again, if anyone could possibly make me a copy, if i
were to send a tape and an envelope, it would be immensely appreciated.  i
have a few boots, and could maybe make a trade or something.  email me
privately if it's a possibility.  thanks again...
    erica

"i just want to show you, the way that i feel, and when i get tired, you can
take the wheel, to me what's more important, its the person that i bring,
not just getting to the same restaurant, and eating the same thing." ani
baby...

for the holiday season, hard to find ig cds for sale:

club r&r. $80
days of wine & roses bootleg cd. $25

not so rare:

power of two ep (w/cool cover of "keep on rockin' in the free world"). $5

email if interested.

--elana

lw>i was talking to our former (and hopefully soon-to-be-again) fellow
lw>list-member, bert the other night. i mentioned the aol chat thing with a and
lw>e, and how amy said she's embarrassed to change clothes at the y. bert's
lw>suggestion: we should take up a collection on the list and buy her a solofle
lw>machine so she doesn't have to go to the y. ha ha. just kidding. :)

to hell with the soloflex! just tell me where she works out! ;)
ooops. sorry. was i being lecherous again?

indigo/dianne/tuesday's child

"if you want to know the secret behind a smile you've got to ask a ...
tuesday's child."

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subject:      re: nigc - the bible, part 75a -- longer than i planned
in-reply-to:  <199512012012.paa13267@capitoline.cis.yale.edu>

as a recovering catholic (i once gave up catholicism for lent, and it
worked out so well...), i am currently disenchanted not by religion, but
by the human manifestation of it. the basic tenets of all(okay, most--to
cover my butt) religions are peace, love, play nice with the other kids,
etc. then people started screwing around with religion, and you ended up
with...oh, let's see:

the spanish inquisition
the reformation and counterreformation
jihads of various flavors
the kkk
the holocaust
bosnia
stalin
india and pakistan
the salem witch trials
oliver cromwell
etc etc etc

not much peace and love there (and for some reason, tom lehrer songs are
going through my poor brain at an alarming rate). there's nothing wrong
with religion, if it's defined as how an individual reconciles him- or
herself with the world. it's when others try to reconcile you with their
version of the world that the trouble begins -- please note that by this
definition, i am also including atheism and agnosticism and other
"non-religions."

the bible can be regarded similarly.  it's a source of comfort to many, an
important historical record, a piece of literature, and the one i had as a
kid also had these really cool illustrations.  yes, the societies it
described were patriarchal, but then again, most societies throughout
history have been and are.  does this make it acceptable?  no, of course
not.  but that's how things were, and the past certainly can't be
changed--only understood, and used as motivation to change the future.  on
a more abstract level, the bible is about a lot of really good
concepts--faith (which i define as above), hope, love, peace which
transcend the pettiness of modern organized religion.  for every twisted
and mangled quote that some televangelist uses to promote his theory of
chauvinism, homophobia, or general stupidity, dozens of quotes can be
found to contradict the same holier(wealthier)-than-thou televangelist.
didn't jesus say, "love thy neighbor as thyself," "god is love," "turn
the other cheek," "let he who is without sin cast the first stone..."?  i
personally don't see how this jives with what many people define as
christianity.

some people call this "purer" form of religious thought (this concept of
religion as individual by definition) "spirituality." i think that this
is closer to the meaning behind the biblical references in so many of the
ig songs. religion without all the baggage. i think criticising this
level of religion is mean-spirited, since the individual's very core of
their being is being criticised.

look beyond the surface when you talk about religion -- it's simply too
complex an issue to do anything less.

if you actually made it to this point of my posting, i would like to
thank you for sticking it out, and apologize for taking up so much
bandwidth.

helena

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my god, i can't believe i missed it! i've been trying to see my life as
complete without it, but i can't! is there a compassionate soul out
there who wouldn't mind too much making a copy for me; i'll send a tape
and sase.

on my knees,
liane

on wed, 29 nov 1995, lisa grandjean wrote:

> i agree!!!! what was up with emily's hair and glasses???? you could
> tell they were both nervous!!!  amy was so awesome when she jumped
> back to the drummer!!! i was in awe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! am i the
> only one who feels this way????????  amy looked great!!!  although
> i"m partial to emily, i just hought amy was really into the song
> more. i"m not sure what dave thought about it all. paul was totally
> getting into it!!!!!
>     all in all, a great performance!!!!
>     [s] [s] [s] [s] = four beers out of a possible four beers!
>
>                                                 peace,
>                                                 lisa
>
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hi everyone,

i don't remember how or when i first learned about ig, i just feel like i
always have.  when i was still in college they came to minneapolis i think it
might have been winter of  1990 maybe.  the tickets sold out before i had
even heard they were on sale(i was going to school in st. cloud).  i was
determined to go.  i told my boyfriend we were going to go down 2 hours early
and i didn't care how much i paid,  i was going to go !
when we arrived we found 2 guys with a sign "we need 2 tickets !",  i told
them we were right behind them for the line.  i asked them if they had talked
to the ticket office in case they had any extra, i then told the ticket
office the line for extras was started with us.  10 minutes later a women
comes up to the two guys with the sign and sell off 2 tickets and we got the
sign.  10 minutes later the ticket office guy knocks on the window and says
they have 2 tickets.  we go up and pay face value for 2 front row
tickets!!!!!  i could of pissed my pants i was so excited !!!  we threw the
sign away and strolled down the street to have dinner.  when we came back
their were people everywhere asking for extra tickets, someone had even
fished our sign out of the garbage. we went in and sat in the front row and
loved every minute.  although we did end up putting clean cigarette butts in
our ears because we were right by the speakers and the next day i developed
an ear infection.  i didn't care and would do it again although i don't think
it will ever happen.   the indigo girls are great !!!!
that's my story,
lisa

hey y'all-
i know everyone has got to be sick and tired of reading woeful pleas for
copies of the letterman show, but i'm desperate enough to risk the annoyance
of the list to get my hands on a copy.  if there's some kind soul out there
who's not already making a hundred copies of the show and would be willing
to make me one, would you please email me???  i have a number of other ig
videos i'd be willing to trade, and some audio stuff as well, or a blank
tape and postage if nothing else.  thanks, sorry to fill up y'alls boxes
like this....

cylinda
ccp5913@acs.tamu.edu              "no way construction of this tricky plan
                                       was built by other than a greater hand "
                                                     - emily saliers

hi all!
i just wanted to let it be known that the ig concert is being replayed on
the disney channel tonight (11.2.95) at 11:00pm (that's central time).

also, i'm not sure if this is a national promotion, but here in the
milwaukee area the disney channel is unscrambled for the weekend. so, for
all of you who don't subcribe to disney but have cable, this might be your
chance to catch the show!

deb
debbie@mei.com

the date on my previous post about the ig concert should have read _12_ -
2-95 (forgot to flip the calendar in my brain - sorry!)

deb

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from:         lisa grandjean <lisag@charity.trinityvt.edu>
organization: trinity college of vermont
subject:      re: yet another letterman request
x-to:         median cat <ccp5913@acs.tamu.edu>, ccp5913@acs.tamu.edu

cylinda,
    i'll make you a copy of letterman!!! send me a s.a.s.e. and a
tape!
    lisa grandjean
    275 middle line rd
    ballston spa, ny 12020-3305

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from:         lisa grandjean <lisag@charity.trinityvt.edu>
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erica,
    i will tape letterman for you. just send me a s.a.s.e.!
    lisa grandjean
    275 middle line rd
    ballston spa, ny 12020-3305

i believe i was the last person duped by a post like this and shared
it with the group. too bad it's a fake. some friends from home,
though, baked some cookies from the recipie and they tell me the
cookies were really good.

anna

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
why did the chicken cross the road?

douglas adams:
forty-two.

albert einstein:
whether the chicken crossed the road or the road crossed
the chicken depends upon your frame of reference.

salvador dali:
the fish.

mark twain:
the news of its crossing has been greatly exaggerated.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

hi y'all,
i know this may sound absurd and be out of place but i have to ask. does any-one else out there want them as much as i do? it's starting to really get to mewhen i try to sleep at night it's like a full carosel is playing. am i alone inthis?
peace,
amy

hi, i have to ask a favor of y'all...

friends of mine that are getting married in the spring would like to have
an ig song as their wedding song...can anyone make some suggestions?

sorry if this isn't appropriate for the list, you can always mail me
privately.

thanks again!

-------------------------------kerry-------------------------------------------

please, when you post something have a subject line that means something... :-)

on a smaller list it wouldn't really matter, but on something like this
you'll get a much better reponse if you don't have subjects like "i was
thinking...", "a note...", "nigc", "igc", "arrrgh!", "chords", "the other
day...", "indigo girls", or "ig", because people tend to read the subject
lines and say "oh, i have something that they need" or "oh, they're
writing about something i want to know about..."

for example, bad subject lines for this message would be: "a suggestion",
"posting", "why?", "the list", "confusion", "subjects", or "email".

let me reiterate: i don't have any kind of anal problem with these kinds of
subject lines except in a large mailing list context such as this... :-)

manana iguana,

/~~ /~\ /~\ |~ \ /
| |_| \-\ |- |
\__ | | \_/ |_ |

can i add to this a suggestion that when people put dates in their messages
that they put something like "2nd dec 1995" instead of "2/12/95" or
"12/2/95"? it can be confusing, since to british people 12/2/95 means 12th
feb 1995 as does 2/12/95 to americans.

of course when we put 25/12/95 or 12/25/95 it could only mean 25th december
since there aren't 25 months in the year. but for smaller numbers it can
get really confusing.

mat
mts5@aber.ac.uk

>please, when you post something have a subject line that means something... :-)
>
>on a smaller list it wouldn't really matter, but on something like this
>you'll get a much better reponse if you don't have subjects like "i was
>thinking...", "a note...", "nigc", "igc", "arrrgh!", "chords", "the other
>day...", "indigo girls", or "ig", because people tend to read the subject
>lines and say "oh, i have something that they need" or "oh, they're
>writing about something i want to know about..."
>
>for example, bad subject lines for this message would be: "a suggestion",
>"posting", "why?", "the list", "confusion", "subjects", or "email".
>
>let me reiterate: i don't have any kind of anal problem with these kinds of
>subject lines except in a large mailing list context such as this... :-)
>
>
>manana iguana,
>
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>\__ | | \_/ |_  |
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hey y'all!!  i've received a few of the list members' birthdays and i've
begun a birthday list so, if y'all want to be included, just e-mail the
date...i haven't received any december b-days!  also, will someone send a & e
's birthdays??   btw, cran was your b-day november 27th or 28th?

ciao (spelling? ;) )!!
rachel

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reply-to:     lisa grandjean <lisag@charity.trinityvt.edu>
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from:         lisa grandjean <lisag@charity.trinityvt.edu>
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subject:      re: "you say it's your birthday..."
x-to:         rachel rivera <mtngrl6@aol.com>, mtngrl6@aol.com

my birthday is 9/30/77 thanks!!!.....lisa

mine's 26th jan 1977.

mat
mts5@aber.ac.uk

>my birthday is 9/30/77 thanks!!!.....lisa
>
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mine is october 8 1977

michelle

before this snowballs into all 1000 or so of us sending our birthdays to the
list, please just send them privately to rachel (mtngrl6@aol.com).  im sure
that if you ask, she'll be glad to send you a copy of the list of b-days
once it's finished.  sorry to sound anal about this, and i'm not talking
particularly to the people who have already sent their birthdays in.  i just
want to try to catch it before it gets out of hand.  just think,  if
everyone sent their b-day to the list, that would be somewhere in the
neighborhood of 1000 extra messages sent out to all 1000 of us--that's 1
million messages flying around the net after the list bounces them out to
all of us!!!!

jack

>mine's 26th jan 1977.
>
>mat
>mts5@aber.ac.uk
>
>
>>my birthday is 9/30/77 thanks!!!.....lisa
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hey y'all...

last night i remembered a reason why i love ig so much and why they and
their music are so important in my life....

i am a first year student at college who is transferring next year, so
needless to say, i'm not having the time of my life here..but last night,
i was in a friend's room and brought my guitar...she asked me to play
some ig stuff...and soon like 20 people trickeled into the room as we
were playing and singing closer to fine...soon enough people were
shouting out requests and we spent the whole night playing songs and
singing and laughing and let me just say that for the first time, i kind
of felt at home here....that's something my friends at home and i did all
the time...just shows you how music can bring people
together...especially ig stuff that's great sing-a-long music....

sorry to go on and on...just a great night and a reminder of why i love
them so much!

michelle

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personally, i think mystery would be nice..i don't know--it's got a nice
feel to it. love, kt :-)

on sat, 2 dec 1995 kparkington@fred.bridgew.edu wrote:

> hi, i have to ask a favor of y'all...
>
> friends of mine that are getting married in the spring would like to have
> an ig song as their wedding song...can anyone make some suggestions?
>
> sorry if this isn't appropriate for the list, you can always mail me
> privately.
>
> thanks again!
>
> -------------------------------kerry-------------------------------------------
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as a person with a short little span of attention, does anybody mind me
saying *please* no more birthdays or letterman, and *please* more
interesting ig tales?
fiona

greetings all!

i was wondering if anyone had an idea of the monetary value of the vinyl ep
_land of canaan + five live_. i have a copy and was considering parting with
it, but had no idea how much to ask. please reply privately (not to the list)
as some may not find this appropriate list material.

thanks bunches!

monique p.

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hi all !

to cut a long story short: got hooked to ig just nine months ago.
heard them before on 'deadicated', almost given up to look for
records, remember, this is germany, there is no such thing as world
economy, at least not where i live. finally found a decent record shop
that tries to order me anything.

many thanks for your letterman alert, he's one day late over here so i
was able to tape it. (anyone needs a pal copy ?)

as some of you mentioned, they did look a bit strange, but i think
that's just poor lighting. esp. emilys skin looked a bit unhealthy
when struck by white light at that angle.

a great performance anyway. i loved bmhawk ever since buffy
sainte-marie released it. though i did not expect this very explicit
political statement to be broadcasted onto white middle class america,
who's next, john trudell, mojo nixon ?

i will never forget amys face, like about to throw grenades, suits
that song very well...

three days ago, finally, i got 1200c, enjoying it almost all day
since, takes some effort to adjust to other voices, right now, i'm
listening to emmylou harris' 'wrecking ball', intense music too.

georg

---
got too much of a mind. wouldn't you rather be happy ? - dead kennedys

georg petersen, heintzestrasse 20, d-24582 bordesholm, germany

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>a great performance anyway. i loved bmhawk ever since buffy
>sainte-marie released it. though i did not expect this very explicit
>political statement to be broadcasted onto white middle class america,
>who's next, john trudell, mojo nixon ?

what is buffy's version like? i'm told it isn't as hard-rocking as ig's.
is it as good?

also what was her most famous composition? i'm sure joan baez covered one
of her songs; which one was this?

mat
mts5@aber.ac.uk
>
>i will never forget amys face, like about to throw grenades, suits
>that song very well...
>
>three days ago, finally, i got 1200c, enjoying it almost all day
>since, takes some effort to adjust to other voices, right now, i'm
>listening to emmylou harris' 'wrecking ball', intense music too.
>
>georg
>
>
>---
>got too much of a mind. wouldn't you rather be happy ? - dead kennedys
>
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hey y'all. i watched the disney channel, but no ig!!! does anyone know
when it's coming on. the disney channel is having a free preveiw, so i
don't want to miss. please e-mail me when you find out. thanks so
much!!!! love, katie :-) ><}}}'>

hi- sorry to bring up letterman yet once again but i think what amy's
shirt said was kili radio which she mentioned in the last ig/russell
carter fan club news letter.  by the way, someone asked if any of use-
just totally wanted a and e.  to that question i would have to answer
no, but i would like to say that i would give anything to be their
best friend and actually have them acknowledge me when they saw me
in their audience.  well, that's it.  love, lynn
ps- my birthday is january 12, 1976 :)
pps- to lorindigo and maggie- have fun with michelle- tell her that i
really like "teen lament."  thanks.

hell yes!  when i first got the swamp ophelia cd, "mystery" played
through my dreams for at least two weeks that i can recall.  i used to
wake up with the song running through my head.
another interesting dream story, there was an issue of "out" magazine
that featured the top 100 people thst were out that year (probably last
year) and the girls were in it.  well, that day i fell asleep on the
couch and dreamed that i and my lover (at the time) were running some
kind of festival at a b&b and the girls had performed at the fest.  it
was the last day when everyone was leaving and i was outside talking to
emily (idle chit chat).  i decided to go find out where amy had
disappeared to.  so i went inside and found amy and my lover talking in
our rooms (nothing going on, just talking). so i joined them in
conversation.  amy invited me to join her and the crew/band to go to
lunch at some place in town.  during this conversation another ex of
mine (who has figured prominently in my life for quite some time) walked
throught the room, said "hi" and walked out.  we all piled into
someone's car to go for lunch.  amy and i were crammed in the back seat
with at least one other person.  as we were about to pull out i told her
that we had to wait because leigh (the ex) was supposed to go with us.
amy got really irritated with me because i wanted to hold everyone up
to wait for this other woman and we ended up leaving without her
(leigh, that is).
the interesting part about this is that i told leigh about my dream and
she said, "even in your dreams women are jealous of me".  the even more
interesting thing is that even though i have been (am) madly in love
with leigh since the day i met her, i left her behind for amy.
hmmm.  food for thought.  i've always thought that leigh and amy were
very much alike even though i've never met amy.  i wonder if amy really
could give leigh a run for her money.  or if she would want to.

indigo/dianne/tuesday child

hi y'all.
i had a wierd night a coupla nights ago and put this together.  i'm not
much of a writer, but i'd love your opinion/critiques.
i hope no-one thinks this is inapropriate for the forum.  i think it
would actually be kinda cool to exchange doodles like this (poetry,
songs, what have you).  let me know what you all think.  thanks.

indigo/dianne/tuesday's child

i have a heart like a stone
a comfortable weight
i have a heart like a stone
worried and worn
i have a heart like a stone
smoothed of all edges
i have a heart like a stone
sent spinnig and skipping
i have a heart like a stone
how long can it skim?
i have a heart like a stone
how far will it sink?

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my vote is for power of two, although it may be a little to fast for your
taste. but the lyrics really do it to me. :)

i'll introduce myself briefly, i've never posted here until now.

amy scott, 24 yrs old, married, one baby named benjamin (one year old
today!), i live in cincinnati ohio, work as a stay at home mom and plan
to make use of my two degrees in sociology when our kids are of school
age.  i've seen the indigo girls twice.  once in oxford ohio and once in
boston.  i have a friend from a church i once attended who is the cousin
of amy ray, and here is a horrible story about that.  when we were at the
boston show, she (the cousin) looked all over for us in the lawn but
could not find us.  no biggie - we weren't really looking for her (at
this time i did not know she was related at all to amy).  the next day i
found out they were looking for us to take us back stage with htem  ugh!!!

i continue to kick myself!

nice to join you all.
amy

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jack,
where are you? at va tech or in vt?
lisa

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happy birthday monique!!!!!!!!!!! (mhb@entelechy.com)
have a wonderful and peaceful day!!!!!! :)

(hey y'all! thanks for sending all the birthdays!!! please continue
e-mailing me privately with your b-days!)

i went to musicland and they were selling the best of ig for $27.  i
thought it was a bit pricey and being a poor college student i didn't buy
it.  i think it's an import so that's why they are charging sooo much.
can anyone fill me in on what it's really worth?
also i got a copy of the tmf single.  what is this one worth?  i probably
paid too much.  it has the acoustic versions of least complicated and the
wood song.
thanx, ely

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                      ***** elizabeth young *****
                       ***** call me crazy!! *****
                        ***** because i am!!! *****
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another hello to all from sorta sunny, but still hot, so cal :)

in case anyone is interested, i have figured out the chords for cold as
ice, an amy ray song from way back. let me know if you are interested and
i'll send you a copy, or if there is enough interest, i'll just post them
to the list. and if anyone can let me know how to get them posted at the
nevada site, well then that would just be really cool :) take care all...

lisa :)

if you want me you can find me
i'll be crossing the atlantic without charts
i'm the ferdinand magellan of these parts
i'm just betting on a hunch
i'm following my compass in the dark
- kristen hall

i am so disappointed in my vcr. i was flipping channels at 11:20 last
night, and caught the middle of ig concert on the free disney preview.
so, i turn on my vcr to record it......ahhhhhhh--doesn't work. is there
any generous soul who did tape it and could get me a copy.......i will
send postage..etc.
thank you
------------kelly

kmccardl@prairie.nodak.edu

i realize this debate was a while ago...but i finally decided to get out my
birchmere 11/25/90 show, because amy talks about "sejarez" on it, and
transcribe what she said...

"this is, uh, uh, a song that i wrote, um, in, um, berkley... <discussion
about whether it really was berkley>... we used to stay all of us in the same
room and, um, we were playing somehwere, and i had this dream, and our road
manager said that i saying * sejarez in the middle of the night. i don't
know what it means, um, but i felt better when i woke up than i did when i
went to sleep, so it must have been something pretty cool, so i wrote a song
about it."

*could be "seeing," but i really, really think it's "saying"

is that the what y'all finally settled on, anyhow? oh well...hope it helps

rebecca
pmrlm1@gannonlab.gannon.edu

"the world was meant for me, don't bury me..."
-- a. ray

i am student at emory university, and i know that the girls went here,
and i was wondering if anyone knew the names of the dorms they lived in
freshman year if they were both here then?

hey.
i think ig songs are great for weddings--a little awkward to dance to,
but sentimental nonetheless.

i would suggest, without a doubt, power of two.
watershed is my favourite song, but i'm sure how appropriate it is for a
wedding...same with wood song.

thereyago.
mike.

if anyone out there has the chords to midnight train i would really like
to have them....or any sugestions on how to get them would be great..i have
already checked all ftp's and www....any help would be great ..josh

this is an excerpt from netguide now!, an electronic zine from dell computer
corp.....december 1, 1995

tribute
mourning and protests continue following the
execution of nigerian humanrights activist,
playwright, and one-time nobel peace prize nominee
ken sarowiwa. although he was convicted in the
deaths of four men during a may 1994 political
rally, saro-wiwa maintained he was framed because
of his opposition to the military regime and the
oil industry. among the web sites related to the
event are: amnesty international s nigeria/kenya
site, which includes a section on saro-wiwa
(http://www.best.com/~mlacabe/kenya.html); the

urgent case of the month
(http://www.gatech.edu/amnesty/action.html); and
earthlife africa's tribute and call for action
petition to boycott shell oil company
(http://www.gem.co.za/ela/ken.html). finally,
nigeria.com (http:// www.nigeria.com/hy-
nigeria/get/boards/ken.html) invites your comments
for its book of condolences.

jude

this is just a general thank you to the many suggestions i got for my friends'
wedding song...by far the most popular response was power of two, but there
were several other less obvious suggestions...i'll pass everthing along
to the love birds.

also, i think someone asked this already, but....i was in the overpriced
music store, sam goody, when i saw an ig screen saver on the counter (on sale
for $2.99) i think it was tmf or something,

it was too hot and crowded in the store for me to wait and ask a salesperson
more about it...

so, does anyone know if i really saw an ig screen saver, and if there are more
than one and if they decent?

thanks again!

----------------------------------kerry-----------------------------------------

heya!

i went home for the weekend and did see a screen saver using a 40 second
clip of tmf. i did not see a price but i only had $10 on me anyway and
just saw a copy of back on the bus, y'all for $7.99.

i know someone wrote in about the chances of finding deadicated, the gd
tribute, and i found a copy of that, too. because i had no cash, my
brother is picking it up for me.

check out best buy or target if one is convenient!! that's where i found
the screensaver, botby, nis, and deadicated!

jenn

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i have also seen a ig screen saver but at the time i had no $$ to
purchase it. if i should happen to see it again, i will pick it up
without a doubt!!!!!! if i find more than one, i'll purchase all that
i can find and i'll let you know!! i'll be going to the mall on
sunday, so i'll let you know!
lisa

today in chapel we sang a variety of non-traditional christian
christmas songs.  i was quite surprised to find one that had the
birth of christ from a native american perspective.  considering the
indigo girl's support of the native americans, i thought i might
share the words of this song with y'all.  i know that not every one
on the list is christian or celebrates christmas, but i thought you
may not mind considering the above.

anna

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

'twas in the moon of wintertime

'twas in the moon of wintertime,
when all the birds had fled,
the mighty gitchi manitou*
sent angel choirs instead.

before their light the stars grew dim,
and wond'ring hunters heard the hymn:
jesus your king is born,
jesus is born,
in excelsis gloria.

within a lodge of broken bark
the tender bage was found,
a ragged robe of rabit skin
enwrapped his beauty round.

but as the hunter braves drew nigh,
the angel song rang loud and high:
jesus your king is born,
jesus is born,
in excelsis gloria.

the earliest moon of wintertime
is not so round and fair
as was the ring of glory on
the helpless infant there.

the chiefs from far before him knelt
with gifts of fox and beaver pelt.
jesus your king is born,
jesus is born,
in excelsis gloria.

o children of the forest free,
o seed of manitou,
the holy child of earth and heav'n
is born today for you.

come kneel before the radiant boy
who brings you beauty, peace, and joy.
jesus your king is born,
jesus is born,
in excelsis gloria.

*translation: the mighty lord of all the world

text: st. jean de brebeuf, ca. 1643
music: french melody

jennifer stevens wrote:
> i went home for the weekend and did see a screen saver using a 40 second
> clip of tmf. i did not see a price but i only had $10 on me anyway and
> just saw a copy of back on the bus, y'all for $7.99.

i found back on the bus, y'all at k-mart this summer for $5.99. i
couldn't resist. i would like to mention that i don't think kid
fears is quite the same without michael stipe.

anna

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
why did the chicken cross the road?

douglas adams:
forty-two.

albert einstein:
whether the chicken crossed the road or the road crossed
the chicken depends upon your frame of reference.

salvador dali:
the fish.

mark twain:
the news of its crossing has been greatly exaggerated.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

        it turns out big fish ensemble doesn't have a new year's eve
show, so michael's going to sit in with millan & kenzie at eddie's attic,
at least for the 7:00 early all-ages.
        also, that 7:00 show will be *completely* acoustic- no mikes, no
amps, no wires, no electricity.
        it'll be a hoot...
-chris

visit
http://www.hidwater.com/rdr/milkenzie/
please

my b-day is may 30, 1980

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hi gang....

just a very polite request from me...an addition to the earlier note that
someone posted about subject headings.

re: guitar chord info. (and i know i have to be better about this myself!
<g>).......if you're seeking guitar chords, please indicate so in your
subject line (i.e. need chords to.....). if you have guitar chords, please
do the same (i.e. these are the chords for...). that way, i don't have to
read generic subject headings about guitar chords...thinking someone has
posted them, only to be disappointed when it's simply a request. i'm not
bitching, i just don't have time to get through all the mail i have, so i
try to automatically delete "unnecessary" notes whenever possible.

thanks!

-sheri

-sheri (sstanley@infinet.com)

in the nothing of my silence is a sad-eyed little girl
on a tightrope she is singing as she passes through this world.
-lucy kaplansky / the tide-

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i found this somewhat disturbing.  the song was clearly written by a
non-native person.  while they incoprorated some native imagery in the
song, the belief is that the natives need to be christianized.  that the
spirituality they lived with (and do live with) for thousands of years
before the christians came to "save their heathen souls"  is somehow
wrong.  i knwo there are natives who have become christians and that is
fine if that is their own free choice.  but lots of indigneous peoples all
over thw world have been exterminated or viewed as savages becuase they do
not share "christian" values/beliefs.  it's interesting that in the wave
of multiculturalism today, a hymn like the one sahred here is still
sung...i may be alone here but i find it disrespectful
(and this is not directed at the poster...you didnt choose the program).

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hey,

i'm new on this list.

i don't celebrate christmas but i used to love the huron carol
(some one sent in the lyrics to it ie. twas' in the moon of wintertime..)
when i was a kid. i didn't think many people knew that carol.

q: why did the chickenman cross the road???????

miranda

c' mon guys, entertain me with your responses!

i thought the lyrics were interesting enough to save and print anyway.
the interpretation seemed kind of superficial, i.e. one-one without any
(that i could see) native american folklore intertwined. this brought
home to me the arrogance of many anglo and franco settlers in their
attempts to christianize the na's without giving any consideration to
the validity and significance of their beliefs.

the story itself was fairly well written and entertaining to me to see
how this writer drew parallels using the frontier culture.

(can anyone e-mail me more information on the happenings in and around
atlanta during the new year holiday... i've heard a lot about the bash
at eddie's attic.)

just one of the girls,
mindy
a.k.a assilem

it seems that indigo stories are the thing to share these days and since this
is more fun than finishing up a huge paper or studying for finals, i will share
my .02 cents.  i started listening to the ig in 1989 and have been obsessed
ever since.  they played a small bar in minneapolis that year but seeing how i
was not yet of age, i missed them.  i still mourn the missed performance in an
intimate setting.  i have seen the ig four times in concert and actually got
to meet them a year ago on my birthday.  it was july 17 and they were playing
in minneapolis.  the concert was a family event (i have extremely hip parents
who also love the girls) for my birthday and after a great show we hung out
people watching and waited.  we could see a and e in the greenroom and after
about two hours a vw van pulled up to the door and a security man came out.
by this time there were only about 8 of us die hards hanging around.  well, the
girls came out and we all got to shake their hands and say hello.  i said
something like "that was the best birthday present ever, thanks for a great
show" and emily said "well happy birthday, how old are you?"  i replied 24, and amy spouts off with a laugh and a "you're still a young'in"  i laughed consider
ing she is not really that much older.  it was definately a birthday to
remember!  my only regret is that i did not have a camera with me.  (one of the
other girls hanging out got her picture taken with them!)  this summer i saw
them in utah, and got a picture of them.  it is from a distance and unless you
know it is them, it is not that exciting but, it is none the less. a picture.
on a final note, while waiting for the utah concert (we were in line for 9 hoursto get in the front few rows) two of us went on a food run and while we were
at a stop light waiting for the light to change, a and e biked through the crosswalk.  they always mountain bike in park city.  too funny!  well, enough of my
storytelling, sorry this was longer than i had planned.
have a good one!                  cami

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there is beauty in that pear core.

okay, just a quick pregunta. i heard that vh-1 has been showing
bmh@wounded knee. a&e's video....

has anyone seen it and do you know when a good time to watch for it is??

....still bummed because i haven't seen amy's new hairstyle....

miranda

hi!

i was wondering if anyone out there has the ig release that contains land
of canaan, lifeblood, history of us, never stop, cold as ice and finlandia.

i was looking for someone who could make me a copy of it. if you can help,
please e mail me.
thanks a lot!!

-bill

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why did the chickenman cross the road????

1. to go see indigo girls
2. to go to cornell and jam with friends
3. to get to the airport and see what was below him
4. to find a chickenwoman/man????
5. to see how many responses i could come up with!!!@@**%!!!!!

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>
> the story itself was fairly well written and entertaining to me to see
> how this writer drew parallels using the frontier culture.
>

one of the biggest problems i ahve with those sorts of things
is that most (if not all...) native religions are polytheistic
whihc christianity is monotheistic. teh carol posted here was
very definitely monotheistic. while it is intriguing that
somone used native imagery to make the parallel, it is still
diminshing the native traditions.

now, i shouls say i am by no means an expert here...if anyone
else has a correction to make of my posts, please do so.

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1) cause he saw amy and emily mountain biking on the other side.

2) emily's "ghost" made him do it...and he loved it.

3) he wanted to be the first one in line for next tour's tickets!

4) he wanted to borrow amy's blue colored glasses.

heehee.......that was fun!
--jas

"i don't care, cause sometimes, i hear my voice and it's been
silent all these years" -tori amos

hi all,
i have a question about the next tour:  although nothing has been confirmed
or even talked about yet, i was wondering: does russell carter offer mail
order tickets?  my good friend is a die-hard phish fan and has the ability
to mail order through the newsletter.   if this isn't offered, we should
bring this up to russell, it would be a great help.  my friend and i had
2nd row seats to last friday night's phish show, so this system has been
very beneficial to her.  it would really be an excellent addition to the
next touring season.  let me know what you think.
with dreams of immortality,
maggie
ps this would also cut out the annoying service charge that ticket master
tacks on to every purchase....

                      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
                      & "gonna be a long crawl *   maggie e. poulos    &
                      &    a high climb *     me_poulos@acad.fandm.edu &
                      &  through this soul of mine * bkrbkr@aol.com    &
                      &  and if i have to learn *                      &
                      &   to live again, *              *              &
                      &        i'll shed my skin *    ~m&f~            &
                      &    start all over again" *      *corroborree*  &
                      &              -michelle malone                  &
                      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

this song may not be as imperialistic as you say, amy - it says at the end
that it was written in the 17th century.   european settlers never had much
time for the indian religions, and neither do many christians today (one
preacher in new mexico calls the navajo religion in particular, "mere
animism - the worship of sticks and rocks") but the real mass
christianisation of the indians (the sioux anyway - it might have been
different with other nations) did not happen until after the indian wars.
a while after the wars some "philanthropic" american authorities decided to
compensate the indians for the theft of their land by "educating" them and
"de-savaging" them, and teaching them the "right" values.   as a result they
were forbidden to continue their rituals and sometimes even speak their
language.   (at least this song includes an indian language!)

i don't think this is a violently anti-indian song. this seems to be a
clumsy attempt at luring the indians to christianity. considering the
"french melody" i don't think the indians would have been swayed, to be
honest, and then as amy has just pointed out, the supreme god content which
is not in most of the native religions.

the real religious imperialists would have left the braves out altogether,
and told them our version of the story.

mat
mts5@aber.ac.uk

>i found this somewhat disturbing.  the song was clearly written by a
>non-native person.  while they incoprorated some native imagery in the
>song, the belief is that the natives need to be christianized.  that the
>spirituality they lived with (and do live with) for thousands of years
>before the christians came to "save their heathen souls"  is somehow
>wrong.  i knwo there are natives who have become christians and that is
>fine if that is their own free choice.  but lots of indigneous peoples all
>over thw world have been exterminated or viewed as savages becuase they do
>not share "christian" values/beliefs.  it's interesting that in the wave
>of multiculturalism today, a hymn like the one sahred here is still
>sung...i may be alone here but i find it disrespectful
>(and this is not directed at the poster...you didnt choose the program).
>
>
>amy p.                          /       who holds your hand
>pegasus@crl.com                /        when you're alone
>                              /
>the original photo monk      /                  --patty larkin
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can anyone tell me what else michael lorant plays apart from drums? i've
heard that he plays several instruments and sings as well (like he has on
rop and so).

also this may seem a funny question, but has he ever got the "just a
drummer" tag off the press? i mean, there's a stereotype about talentless
drummers (eg phil collins, dave grohl ...). what do they make of him?

mat
mts5@aber.ac.uk

>        it turns out big fish ensemble doesn't have a new year's eve
>show, so michael's going to sit in with millan & kenzie at eddie's attic,
>at least for the 7:00 early all-ages.
>        also, that 7:00 show will be *completely* acoustic- no mikes, no
>amps, no wires, no electricity.
>        it'll be a hoot...
>-chris
>
>              visit
>http://www.hidwater.com/rdr/milkenzie/
>              please
>
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hmmm, i'm seeing influences from "world falls", "kid fears" and "the wood
song." btw, the image of the stone is recurrent not just here, but in amy's
songs. do y'all have ideas as to it's significance? i've got a few ideas, but
i'd love to hear more!

>i have a heart like a stone
>a comfortable weight
>i have a heart like a stone
>worried and worn
>i have a heart like a stone
>smoothed of all edges
>i have a heart like a stone
>sent spinnig and skipping
>i have a heart like a stone
>how long can it skim?
>i have a heart like a stone
>how far will it sink?

btw again, i like the above, it's got kind of a nice feel to it, whatever that
means.

folkisgruven,
lorindigo
    i           will            not        be               complacent
lorinda wright           "learn to pretend there's more than love that
lw01@lehigh.edu           matters. -e.s.
lehigh university         "the apathy of time laughs in my face
bethlehem, pa             you say each life has its place. -e.s.
    i           will            not         be              complacent

on mon, 4 dec 1995 09:55 amy j. putnam wrote

> it's interesting that in the wave
> of multiculturalism today, a hymn like the one sahred here is still
> sung...i may be alone here but i find it disrespectful
> (and this is not directed at the poster...you didnt choose the program).

as to the frequency of the use of this hymn, i believe i mentioned
that i had not sung it before.  the songs we sang today in chapel
were a collection of christmas music of different cultures.  i guess
this is the only one from a native american-type culture.  i know
that the theologies don't mix, but this was more along the lines of
trying to put christianity in terms the native americans would
understand.  this goes in the same catagory as an asian, african,
mediteranian, or europen-looking jesus that is often found pictured
in these respective places.  every one knows that he probably looked
like a typical man from the middle east/israel area, but so often he
is pictured as a white man with long dark hair and a beard.  in many
cultures, he is depicted as a man from that culture.  it's just a way
of putting it in a context that is more identifiable to the believer.

on mon, 4 dec 1995 22:24 matthew j smith wrote

> i don't think this is a violently anti-indian song. this seems to
> be a clumsy attempt at luring the indians to christianity.
> considering the "french melody" i don't think the indians would have
> been swayed, to be honest, and then as amy has just pointed out, the
> supreme god content which is not in most of the native religions.

you're probably right. the europeans were not known for their great
ability to have peacable, sharing contact with the native americans.
in fact, the song leader pointed out the french melody this morning
and said that the song was probably more popular in paris.

> the real religious imperialists would have left the braves out
> altogether, and told them our version of the story.

no doubt! then the real closed-minded people would have depicted the
native americans as savage heathens working for the devil....

anna (who recomends the tune of the song at least as being decent
music, although she's sung better.:)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
why did the chicken cross the road?

douglas adams:
forty-two.

albert einstein:
whether the chicken crossed the road or the road crossed
the chicken depends upon your frame of reference.

salvador dali:
the fish.

mark twain:
the news of its crossing has been greatly exaggerated.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

hey, all!  i ran across a post from someone on another list i'm on
(mennolink) who's address is emory.  at first i wasn't sure which
list it was from, and i was quite surprised to see it was from
menno.d.  anyway, i wrote to her, commenting on this, and this is her
reply.

anna

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

want to be even more interested??? that famous father (name of don
saliers) is not just on the faculty at emory, he is on my dissertation
committee, a dear colleague and one of my favorite people in the world.
the mother of emily (married to don, name of jane saliers) is the
librarian at the local public library where i sneak away to find
detective novels (nothing like a good mystery to take your mind off a
dissertation in theology). and (just to keep things exciting) i once sat
next to emily at a concert of her father's (he's a keyboard player and
vocalist) without knowing it (silly me). i keep trying to wrangle tickets
to the indigo girls (or dinner with amy and emily) from don, to no
avail. it is fun, however, to hear him crow proudly whenever they do
something cool (like win a grammy...)

that's the south for ya
elaine swartzentruber
emory university
atlanta ga

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

go figure! - anna

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
why did the chicken cross the road?

douglas adams:
forty-two.

albert einstein:
whether the chicken crossed the road or the road crossed
the chicken depends upon your frame of reference.

salvador dali:
the fish.

mark twain:
the news of its crossing has been greatly exaggerated.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

in a message dated 95-12-04 17:09:58 est, pegasus@crl.com (amy j. putnam)
writes:

>one of the biggest problems i ahve with those sorts of things
>is that most (if not all...) native religions are polytheistic
>whihc christianity is monotheistic. teh carol posted here was
>very definitely monotheistic. while it is intriguing that
>somone used native imagery to make the parallel, it is still
>diminshing the native traditions.
>
>now, i shouls say i am by no means an expert here...if anyone
>else has a correction to make of my posts, please do so.
>

okay, i think there's a real miscommunication here. anna (chickensoprano)
stated the following:

"today in chapel we sang a variety of non-traditional christian
christmas songs. i was quite surprised to find one that had the
birth of christ from a native american perspective."

the original poster never mentioned anything about the music supposing to be
representative of "native traditions". she simply said that it was a telling
of the birthstory of christ *from* a native american perspective.  big
difference.  and, obviously, that perspective would be one of a christian,
considering that the piece is *defined* as a christmas song.  all i'm saying
is that: a)  it was probably not an intention of the writter to necessarily
convey the polytheistic "native traditions" of native americans,  b)  that is
not necessary anyway, _because_ it _is_ a *christian* "song" concerning a
*christian* celebration.  naturally, it connotes monotheism...that's becuause
christianity is monotheistic!  and there's nothing wrong with that--as a
fact, as a statement... and finally,  c)  it is subjective to assume--from an
external perspective-- that the song is diminishing to native culture, etc.
why would a native american find it necessary to put much stock in(and thus
take offense at) someone else's _strictly-personal_ perspective, unless it
was being proposed that it was an all-accurate and factual, non-opinionated
report?

my point is only to clarify that everything must'nt be pc when the subject
matter is not trying to be.  it would be a sad shame if everything became
genericized and cloned in order to exalt the (sometimes-extreme) ideal of
pc-ness.  to be "politically correct" should mean to *respect* all views,
etc, and act thus accordingly. (ie, w/ the language we use)  it does not
necessarily mean _accepting_ all views.  and it should not mean that we all
must avoid and fear any type of discriminating subject
matter--definitionally, any not-all-inclusive subject matter--lest someone be
"offended". be courteous and respectful, but not at the expense of
something's naturally individual characteristics, be it a belief, a people,
or whatever.  we should be able to discuss differing views on differing
topics from differing perspectives **while** remaining secure in our own
personal perspective, _not_by_ eliminating any aspect which is  particular,
ie, audience-specific.  see what i'm tryin' to say?  just, let's try not to
be hypersensitive to every one of everyone else's battles(particularly when
the owner of the battle is not battling :)).  that is not to say to slack and
be irresponsible and insensitive, or to allow others to walk all over those
who cannot or do not choose to defend themselves.  it's a fine line, i
know........all the more reason to identify it more clearly.

ig's&guitars,
nikki

in a message dated 95-11-29 11:51:40 est, amanda.leff@yale.edu (amanda m
leff) writes:

>indigo girls fans bond around the country...
>
>

you mean...around the world. :)

ig's&guitars,
nikki

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>
> q: why did the chickenman cross the road???????
>

cause there were median cats growling at him.

simple ;)

chris

i really like this thread! here are my answers...

1.  he was looking for a car (and found himself beneath the stars)
2.  to avoid a crowd of people calling themselves "indigs" and insisting on
holding his hand
3.  to get lunch at kfc
4.  to clear off of it 5 prairie dogs and a rabbit
5.  'cuz sejarez said so
6.  to get away from some mean, ole median cat
7.  to break-in the doc martins a&e sent him
8.  to cash his royalty check
9.  (warning: blatant beatles reference) to visit his neighbor, the eggman
10.  to get to the post office and mail his tape and sase.... 'cuz he missed
letterman, too ;-)

peace y'all,
l.h.

hello
        to any one who is interested in the sony ig screen saver i have it and
love it.  i work at a college bookstore as a software buyer and have
ordered this software.  if any one is interested in it i was able to
get it at good price and i will pass the saving on to anyone who is
interested.  sony also sent me a one page article about the press release
of the ig screen saver which i would be happy to pass along to anyone
interested.
         i also recieved a small amount of what looks like a concert
ticket with the press release date of 1200 curfews on it. it is on a
light brown card stock.  if anyone knows anything about this i would love
to know or if you would like some just email me about this and or about
the screen saver.
        thanks for your time !!!

k  k  eeee  iii ttttt  h  h
k k   e      i    t    h  h    keith j hodar
kk    eeee   i    t    hhhh
k k   e      i    t    h  h    khodar@phoenix.kent.edu
k  k  eeee  iii   t    h  h

i must agree with creechal@cc.emu.edu (anna, chickensoprano) and matthew j
smith. while there are many examples of cruelty and injustice throughout
history by "missionaries" (crusaders, televangelists, popes, etc.) the
missionary spirit of christians is not necessarily evil. there are some
people whose faith brings them a kind of inner peace and joy that they simply
want to share with others.

"good" christian missionaries are inspired by their god's plan of sending
someone in human form--someone whom we mortals could interact with on a
relatively equal plain--to convey his messages, hence a "translation" of the
christmas story into na imagery. i don't know the personal history of this
st. jean de brebeuf, but it doesn't sound as though he was beating anyone
over the head (literally or figuratively) by writing this lyric.

just because i gave up christianity doesn't mean that i have any right (or
desire, for that matter) to stop someone else from trying to spread their
faith--as long as they're not beating anyone over the head.

so, does anyone know anything about st. jean de brebeuf? now i'm
interested...

neb
"music is the space between the notes." -- c. debussy
"lighting design is the space between the photons."--me
benjamin hay
hayben@aol.com

so, i'm not on this list.. but i gotta post :))

so, i'm walking into rainy day records after a llllooonnng day at work..
looking forward to some nice company.. and hoping to talk them into putting
viva la diva on and chat a bit with them.. but they were listening to some
poetry.. **then* a call came in!!! we were gonna have guests!!!!!!!

oh boy oh boy i thought.. what a wonderful day to be at rdr!!! guests!! i
knew what that ment!! ***beer****

i asked who it was and they said-- two members of radar rose.. an acoustic
band.. they sounded interesting.. but being that i'm so into this electric
stuff these days.. it wasnt' something for me to get too excited about..

so in walk these two funky lookin' people.. after i went and got the beer..
and well.. its the memebers of this band..

radar rose..

and thus my opinion quickly changes.. they've got a cool dog.. :)) beastly..

but they 've also got a tape.. which they instantly put on.. it's the
pre-release cd-tape..and i instantly find myself tappin' my foot and
beattin' on things.. and i'm jammin' to this stuff..

with a lead singers voice a combonation of ashely wilson, from ashely and
mark, janis joplin, and well.. throw in a little twist..  and songs that
vary from the rockin' acoustic that takes me back to shawn mullins' "better
days" and a bit of michelle penns " running from the seasons"  and even a 17
min song that if it were electric would be a cross between arlo gutherie's
alices resturant and viva la divas "when your ready" while adding a twist
too all of this you've got a sound that can't be beat..  hmm.. maybe they
wouldnt' agree with my referances.. but hey.. it sounds interesting!!

intersesting enough for you to be interested in this::::::

their 2nd cd, one dozen live roses, will be at rainy day records by the 20th
of december.. maybe even earlier.. and they will be having a release party
at eddies attic on the 16th of january..

also.. heres some more information::::

radar rose is a roanoke, va based band.. they've got another cd out called
dog years.. they've been playing for quite awhile.. and have played in the
atlanta area quite a bit..

members include:::

jane gatielle on vocal, guitar, and tambourine
sonny campbell on bass, and vocals
mike balkom on drums
anastasia mooney on flute, lead, rhythm guitar, and vocals..

and yes they will be coming to an an area near you.. i hope..

dec :

7 full moon cafe, roanoke, va\
14 iroquois roanoke, va
21 coffe pot, cd relase party, roanonke, va
22 confeddy's, roanoke, va
31 the mill, floyd, va

jan 96

16 eddie's attic, decatur, ga
17 somewhere in atlanta, tba
18 the locker room, auburn, al
19 the loft, colombus, ga
20 clydes, columbia, sc
21 the cave, chapel hill, nc

feb
5 confeddy's, roanoke, va
6 abate, lancaster, pa

11- march 31 capetown, south africa.. the three arts theatre

okay.. theres more :))

to reach them:::::

radar rose
p.o. box 11491
roanoke, va 24022-1491
540-343-5343 box #3

rosehip (thats what their fans are called.. pretty cool, eh?) fan club:::
r.o.s.e. (riot of souls everlasting)
heather steele
p.o. box 11491
roanoke, va 24022-1491
540-343-5343 box #2

email!!! ::: in: philus2@richnet.com

okey.. all

enjoy!!**check it out***

water :))
_________________________________________________________________

".. my heart it feels like a crusifix.. plastic molded and easily
warped.. manufactured by the millions.. bought and sold and easily lost..."
-cris mcguire

"... i will rise.. i will return... the phoenix from the flame.. i
will rise.. you see me return.. in what i am..."
-sinead o'connor

old thread...

you know you're an ig fan when... you *seriously* consider buying your own
computer, just so that you can use the ig screensaver.

had a look at prices today...
madness!!!!!!

rebecca.

*****************************************************************

a dear friend sent this to me, and now i'm passing it along to y'all. hope
everyone has someone to send it to.......

>for all those sentimental people who always have someone special in their
>thoughts....
>
>thoughts of you.....
>one of the most special places in my heart will always be saved for you.
>you....
>the one person i can always talk to;
>the one person who understands.
>you....
>for making me laugh in the rain;
>for helping me shoulder my troubles.
>you...
>for being a friend in spite of myself,
>and always putting me back on my feet again.
>you....
>for giving me someone to believe in;
>someone who lets me know that there really is goodness and kindness and
>laughter and love in the world.
>you...
>for being one of the best parts of my life,
>and proving it over and over again.
>for all this, i thank you and wish you to remember you are always in my
>thoughts.
>
>

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i'm sorry -- but there guys/gals play around here all the time and i have
yet to be impressed with them.  i know there are a lot of people out
there who like them, and maybe they are better on album than live, but
personally, i'd say try again.  nothing personal -- just not for me, eh?
their lyrics just aren't very inspired...  take care y'all.. phil

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hey, _y'all_!  on tonight's "crossroads" show, the hostess, amy scott, said
they would be playing indigo girls tomorrow night.  so, this would be tuesday
night, 12-5-95, between 10:30-11:00 cst (figure out your own times, since i
tend to screw up conversions between time zones).  i have literally staked out
vh-1 since last wednesday night (when bmhawk was played and i didn't have a
tape in the vcr).  it's shown here 6am-10am and 10pm-2:30am.  i covered all
those times and days, and they didn't play it even once, so announcement for
tomorrow night was welcome.  set those vcrs!  (and if they don't play it, i
say we absolutely flood vh-1's e-mail with protests!)
rustyr
cyber peace sign
groggy from staying glued to vh-1 (overdosing on michael, elton, and mariah)

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on mon, 4 dec 1995, matthew j smith wrote:

> this song may not be as imperialistic as you say, amy - it says at the end
> that it was written in the 17th century. european settlers never had much
> time for the indian religions, and neither do many christians today (one

which somehwta proves my point.  they were busily writing songs to
explain christianity to the natives.  btu were they listening to
the natives' stories?  probably not.  that, in my mind, is imperialistic.
seeing your view as more important than the view of the other.  and
imposing that view.

> i don't think this is a violently anti-indian song. this seems to be a
> clumsy attempt at luring the indians to christianity. considering the
> "french melody" i don't think the indians would have been swayed, to be
> honest, and then as amy has just pointed out, the supreme god content which
> is not in most of the native religions.

i never once said it was violently anti-indian, i said it was negating
centuries of native traditions in the belief that those traditons
were somehow insufficent.

>
> the real religious imperialists would have left the braves out altogether,
> and told them our version of the story.

you lost me here...

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without rehashing all the well-argued responses to the woman who blasted
chickensoprano, let's look at this from another perspective (humour me...)

the mormons believe that jesus did appear to the native americans after
the resurrection (sorry, but never having read the book of mormon too
closely, i don't know much about the details...)

of course, the mormon church wasn't founded until approximately 300 years
after the lyrics were written...

just a (not particularly well-thought out) thought...

but after receiving my share of admonitions about being too surly, let me
return the advice to the flamer...lighten up, baby!

helena

"the god i believe in isn't short of cash, mister" bono/u2 (before they
got wierd)

i've had several requests for caroline aiken's updated tour schedule, so i
thought i'd hit everyone in one fell swoop.  caroline is definitely in a
"gather no moss" mode these days, so chances are good that she'll be playing
somewhere in your general area.  we're starting to book the east coast and
the midwest now.  caroline's schedule can always be found at her hidden
water site:  http://www.hidwater.com/rdr/aiken.  we also keep a newsletter
and late-breaking fun facts to know and share about ms. aiken on my website,
which can be linked from her hw site.  in fact, caroline has promised an
updated newsletter sometime tonight.

here's some ig content:  emily saliers dropped in on trio's late show at
eddie's attic this past saturday.  ("trio" is caroline aiken, dede vogt and
cass kennedy).  they played together all night (which i guess would
technically make them "quartet," but who's counting?) and i hear it was a
rockin' good time.  and yes, they played "white house blues" and "another on
the rise."

thanks for listening & supporting the atlanta scene. here's caroline's
schedule:

05 december, eddie's attic, atlanta, ga, as "ride the wood" (with mo from
"mother's finest")
06 december @ 1pm, jerusalem house, atlanta, ga, aids benefit
09 december, the loft, columbus, ga, as "ride the wood"
13 december, zydeco, birmingham, al, opening for maura o'connell
16 december, kaffeeklatch, huntsville, al
18 december, morton theatre, athens, ga, benefit for athens rape crisis center
30 december, unitarian church, columbia, sc
31 december, rainy day records, atlanta, ga
31 december, red light cafe, atlanta, ga, as "ride the wood." this is a
co-bill with wendy bucklew.
04 january 1996 @ 7pm, ktru (rice university), houston, tx, live performance
on "chickenskin music"
05 january, acoustic cafe, galveston, tx
09 january @ 8:30pm, mucky duck, houston, tx, songwriters night
11 january, poor david's pub, dallas, tx
12 january, uncle calvin's, dallas, tx
13 january, barry's coffeehouse, lampasas, tx
22 january, zydeco, birmingham, al, songwriters night
10 february, morgan's coffee and tea, monterey, ca
11 february, "folkscene" kpfk, los angeles, ca, live interview & performance
12 february, genghis cantina, los angeles, ca
13 february, soho, santa barbara, ca with cosy sheridan
11 may, iron horse, tarpon springs, fl
07 june, kerrville festival -- mainstage

hope to see you out there somewhere.

lorene machado
manager
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on mon, 4 dec 1995, miranda detore wrote:

> q: why did the chickenman cross the road???????
>
>
>
> :)
>
> miranda
>
> c' mon guys, entertain me with your responses!

a: because sejarez told him to...

well, it was worth a shot...

peace and other remote possibilities,
teri

yes, it's true! i saw it, too.

>hey, _y'all_! on tonight's "crossroads" show, the hostess, amy scott, said
>they would be playing indigo girls tomorrow night. so, this would be tuesday
>night, 12-5-95, between 10:30-11:00 cst

and that would be 7:30-8:00 p.m. alaska time for those of us who are up here
freezing in the perpetual darkness!
-bon

hello from the land of procrastination!
        i was walking through the library the other day, on the way to
the terminals to check the mailing list and i was thinking of all the ig
songs that have affected me and my life.  then "mystery" popped in my
head and i realized how dead on emily hit in describing a very special
friendship in my life.  so.....
        i was thinking about passing this on to all of you.  if there was
one ig song that just described your life/situation in you life/passing
moment/burning memory...blahblahblah, what song would it be.  just any a
or e song that just spoke to you and said everything you could have said
but better...

love and other illusions,
terio

hallo again,
        i just had to drop a line explaining my absence from the list.
i had met someone earlier last month and had some real strong emotions
going on inside my head and heart.  let's not get into the messy crap,
but here's the thing i wanted all out on the mailing list to know...
        i gave her (yes...gave her  $%#^%*!!!)...now....time to flame
me...ouch.....
        i gave her one of my ig cds.... (to be specific, the debut)

of course, it turns out that she was the devil in disguise. now
i'm missing an ig cd in my collection. i'm probably gonna buy it again.
i was getting sick of roses, and i wanted to give something close to my
heart.

        what i'm really saying is just advice for all my friends who have
yet to make the mistake i did.  forget the prenuptials, make sure you're
not so gone out of your mind to give out something so important as your
ig cds.  mind you, i wasn't that far out of my mind to give her 1200c or
anything.  and actually, i don't regret it.  but i just hhad to  know
others would/will learn from my mistakes...

sigh....
teri

the image of the stone is recurrent not just here, but in amy's
>songs. do y'all have ideas as to it's significance? i've got a few ideas, but
>i'd love to hear more!
a couple of ideas off the top of my mind:

in world falls when she says she has a stone strapped on her back, i kind
of took it at least somewhat literally, because she'd been backpacking and
hiking, and that backpack can get heavy at the end of the day. :-)

also, there's the image of a stone being a symbol of great burdens that are
carried through life. it might have originated from the greek myth of
sisyphus. s who was condemned by the gods to roll a stone up a hill only to
see it roll back down just when he is about to get to the top. i don't
remember what he did to deserve this. probably told zeus he could roll a
stone as well as any god or something.

monique

mhb@entelechy.com

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on mon, 4 dec 1995, rebecca gaukroger wrote:

> old thread...
>
> you know you're an ig fan when... you *seriously* consider buying your own
> computer, just so that you can use the ig screensaver.

...and sit in front of it for ten minutes, touching nothing and
trying not to bump the mouse accidentally while you wait for it to come on.

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|disagree over the inevitable decay of mortar and beam."

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subject: gail ann plays with bowie

hi y'all,

for those of you interested in plotting the tracks of the other band
members i spotted gail ann dorsey playing in david bowie's band on a uk tv
show called saturday night live with jools holland last friday.

presumably she's playing on the current tour. a mate of mine saw bowie on
this tour, his verdict - too noisy!

adios,

graham

the following is a posting from the atlanta artists list--to sign up, send
your request to atlartists@aol.com it is a monitored list so you'll be
talking to a human :)

subj:    re: new year's eve in atlanta
date:    95-12-02 20:46:00 est
from:    thpft
to:      atlartists

it has just been comfirmed that new years eve at the red light cafe will
feature wendy bucklew and caroline akien. they are hoping for a warm fuzzy
gathering of old and new friends to ring in the new year. the cafe is
providing champaigne (sp) and noisemakers at midnight, all for a measly $10.
it promises to be a great show. wendy and caroline hope to get toghether
beforehand and work out some songs. see ya there!

i was in atlanta this past summer for rdr's birthday party and got to see
radar rose perform (just jane and sonny). i think they're terrific and that
you should definitely check them out.

btw...i got tickets to see wendy bucklew this friday!
yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

-sheri (sstanley@infinet.com)

in the nothing of my silence is a sad-eyed little girl
on a tightrope she is singing as she passes through this world.
-lucy kaplansky / the tide-

> i was thinking about passing this on to all of you. if there was
>one ig song that just described your life/situation in you life/passing
>moment/burning memory...blahblahblah, what song would it be. just any a
>or e song that just spoke to you and said everything you could have said
>but better...

>ohhhhh, at the moment i'd say...closer to fine (since i can only pick one!)

-sheri (sstanley@infinet.com)

in the nothing of my silence is a sad-eyed little girl
on a tightrope she is singing as she passes through this world.
-lucy kaplansky / the tide-

>so, does anyone know anything about st. jean de brebeuf? now i'm
>interested...

this is what i found on my online encylopedia.....

br�beuf, jean de, saint (br�b�f�), 1593-1649
french roman catholic missionary, one of the jesuit martyrs of north
america. a missionary to the huron, br�beuf with his colleague gabriel
lalemant was killed by the iroquois. feast: oct. 19 (in the u.s.).

the concise columbia encyclopedia is licensed from columbia university
press. copyright � 1991 by columbia university press. all rights reserved.

if anyone is interested in any more, i'll be glad to dig around for some
more information about him.

j
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i would have to say there would be two songs that would fit my
lifestyle. the first is "back together again." i share this song with
wga1@cornell.edu(bill albano) he is the greatest friend i could have
asked for and more! the other would be "least complicated" because i
often find myself critiquing my life. why do i waste this time???
thanks for allowing me to share. i thought this was a great idea!
lisa

  "this ain't my place, you know. this ain't my home.
   i'm not gonna feel right till you get us back behind the
   microphone"

anotehr literary refernce that comes to mind is dante's purgatorio
in the divine comedy. one of hte levels of pennance in the way
to paradise was carrying stones.

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> > this song may not be as imperialistic as you say, amy - it says at the end
> > that it was written in the 17th century. european settlers never had much
> > time for the indian religions, and neither do many christians today (one

oh yes, definately imperialistic... as defined by webster's dictionary.

it means: authoritarian by means of economic or political hegemony
over others

i would definately say that this is true of the european settlers.  to
say that they never had time for "indian religions" is absurd.  they were
obsessed with it.  they couldn't get over the idea that it wasn't what
they believed.  why do you think that they wanted so much to change it?

> which somehwta proves my point.  they were busily writing songs to
> explain christianity to the natives.  btu were they listening to
> the natives' stories?  probably not.  that, in my mind, is imperialistic.
> seeing your view as more important than the view of the other.  and
> imposing that view.

...good point, but it wasn't the stories or anything of that sort. if
you think about it, there was a huge language barrier. a language
not readily understood or translated by the euro-whites was seen as
savage and barbaric...which would turn that "probably not" to a
definitely not.

> > i don't think this is a violently anti-indian song. this seems to be a
> > clumsy attempt at luring the indians to christianity. considering the
> > "french melody" i don't think the indians would have been swayed, to be
> > honest, and then as amy has just pointed out, the supreme god content which
> > is not in most of the native religions.

what do you think anti-indian is? if this song were just a clumsy
attempt to lure indians to christianity, then it was contributing to
the genocide which had already begun...and that just goes to show you that
there was an abundance of interest in "indian religion", so much, in
fact, that transforming the indians became a lifelong job for some.
and you *wrong* about the indians not being swayed. we were forced
to change or die...and in fact, many of us who *did* change were killed
anyway, simply because we were indians.

> i never once said it was violently anti-indian, i said it was negating
> centuries of native traditions in the belief that those traditons
> were somehow insufficent.

you should have said that...it became violent after a couple of tries...

> > the real religious imperialists would have left the braves out altogether,
> > and told them our version of the story.

so, what you're saying is that the "real" religious imperialists would
not have tried to transform our (indian) beliefs? i don't think that
is a true statement. correct me if i am mistaking your sentence...

as a native american, i am shocked everyday at the number of people
i run into who don't believe that the european (white) settlers who came
to this country were genocidal. one day, my children's children will never
know who they were, and they will never be able to sing the songs of
our ancestors because the european settlers decided that we should all
be christians. the christian right (which is neither) would like us all
to believe that we are better people for this, but i don't see how making us
all white and giving us an identity that we want no part of is better
for us.

--marty

sorry for the public post, but i don't have an email address....

kim,

i finally have your tape ready to send. sorry for the delay. i've had to
reload internet software, so i don't have your email or snail mail address
anymore. could you send it? i'll get the tape out today. thanks.

-sheri (sstanley@infinet.com)

in the nothing of my silence is a sad-eyed little girl
on a tightrope she is singing as she passes through this world.
-lucy kaplansky / the tide-

hi,

this is the first time that i have posted so let me apologize in advance if something
goes horribly wrong.

        there are two songs that really grab my heart.  mysterty is the first, and back
together again is the second.  both of these songs seem to paralle an incredible
relationship that i hava had for 2 years now.  in no way have any other songs compared in
the way that they make me recall all the things that have passed between us, good and
bad.  sometimes i have to turn them off for fear that i will have an emotional breakdown.

thanks for introducing this topic, it is nice to hear that others are as passionate about
songs as i am.

> i guess this is the only one from a native american-type culture.

well, actually this is not from a native american-type culture. it says
clearly at the bottom of the lyrics posted that it was written by a
frenchman in the 17th century.

> i know that the theologies don't mix, but this was more along the lines of
> trying to put christianity in terms the native americans would
> understand.

i always have to choke back a laugh when i hear things like this. we
didn't need to understand. you see, we believed that religion was sacred.
we didn't believe in "jesus" because we were not christian, and therefore
we didn't really need to understand.

> this goes in the same catagory as an asian, african,
> mediteranian, or europen-looking jesus that is often found pictured
> in these respective places.  every one knows that he probably looked
> like a typical man from the middle east/israel area, but so often he
> is pictured as a white man with long dark hair and a beard.  in many
> cultures, he is depicted as a man from that culture.  it's just a way
> of putting it in a context that is more identifiable to the believer.

see, it doesn't really matter what the hell color "jesus" skin is, what
matters is whether or not you really believe that "he" exists. we as
native americans have no real reason to believe that "he" does exist because
he is not our "icon" to have to sell ourselves to at any cost. we believe
in our own creator, and no one should ever have to endure having another
persons religion, icons, prayers or "jesus" shoved down their throat until
they are forced to give in or die.

that's what happened to native americans. it wasn't a simple matter of
"helping us to understand". we understand.

> on mon, 4 dec 1995 22:24 matthew j smith wrote
>
> > i don't think this is a violently anti-indian song. this seems to
> > be a clumsy attempt at luring the indians to christianity.
> > considering the "french melody" i don't think the indians would have
> > been swayed, to be honest, and then as amy has just pointed out, the
> > supreme god content which is not in most of the native religions.
>
> you're probably right. the europeans were not known for their great
> ability to have peacable, sharing contact with the native americans.
> in fact, the song leader pointed out the french melody this morning
> and said that the song was probably more popular in paris.

understated...

> > the real religious imperialists would have left the braves out
> > altogether, and told them our version of the story.
>
> no doubt! then the real closed-minded people would have depicted the
> native americans as savage heathens working for the devil....

these two statements say exactly the same thing. the "real religious
imperialists" and "real closed-minded people...what's the difference. in
my book they're the same thing...

--marty

this song will probably be mentioned alot, so this is my contribution: ghost.
makes me wanna cry. the wood song is definitely another one. not that it makes
me cry. but i was introduced to the music of ig at just the right time.

yen m tang                     "what i won't give to have the things that mean
ymt2@lehigh.edu                 the most not to mean the things i miss."
                                --emily saliers "language or the kiss"

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i am doing a comparitive analysis of the indigo girls. i am having a
hard time deciding which one of amy and emily's songs to compare.(there
are just too many good ones)

if anybody has any suggestions or imput it is all welcome.

i've seen a few postings regarding the indigo's screener over the last few
days so i thought i'd give my feedback since i literally only instqalled
mine yesterday.

i picked it up a couple of weeks ago on my trip to the us but had to get it
virus checked before putting it on my pc at work, it took a while :(

unfortunately my pc has no soundcard so no music, but the pictures look
quite good. though i have 256 colours some techie told me it's not super
vga which would apparently improve the quality.

there's about 6 options giving different options of presenting the same
video clip with differentr builds and movements.

some of the prices given on the list were far cheaper than i paid and it is
probably worth those prices. i would prefer to run a cd-rom of concert
footage on my pc to be honest, but you can't get that as far as i know.

the best function so far is that it helps me "expose" other people at work
to the indigo girls music: they see the screener and ask:

"what is that ?" - since it is different from the flying windows most are
used to seeing (imaginative - not).

"it's the indigo girls". "who?"

"here go and listen to this sample of their music i've taped!"

next day.

"wow, that's the best thing i've heard in years. why haven't i heard them
before?" (at least that was the effect on me first time i heard them, to
date no ones experienced this profound moment of enlightenment since i
missed the best of "indigo girls" album off my composition tape since i
pressed the wrong button on my tape!. at least i've got lots of people
lined up to hear them when i finish the tape. i hope my hype hasn't built
up their expectations too high - no that's impossible!)

if the tape has the same effect on me they'll rapidly buy all available cds
and start boring others whio haven't yet been exposed to listen to this
"great discovery i've recently made!"!

enough of this waffle.

the screeners not bad.

it's produced by sony. if you have world wide web access they have details
via their home page. you can even downlaod a sample to see what it looks
like. the bad news is that the sample is of michael jackson. when i
loaded it my screen text started sliding backwards, my pc wanted to wear
white socks and gloves, the black text slowly turned white, the plastic
front of the pc started to fall apart and every time i turn it on it makes
a funny "yaieeek" type of noise!

adios,

graham

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are you a michelle shocked fan by any chance? (in case you're wondering, she
did a song called prodigal daugher on her arkansas traveller lp, with alison
krauss & union station.)

great song ... shame about the long violin bit.

mat
mts5@aber.ac.uk

i will be auctioning off two items.

1) hand-painted (by amy) rites of passage white-labele promo vinyl.
signed and dated by amy.

2) shades of indigo cd (purple cover).

reply to me privately if you are interested in the auction.  please note that
replies sent to the ig list will not get a response.  the auction will be
conducted off of the ig mailing list, and only among those people who express
interest in being included in the auction.  this is to keep unnecessary
traffic off of the ig list.

thank you,
gre1440@aol.com

only one song, eh?  to be fair, i must pick one song by emily and one song
by amy.  the most influential song by e is "the wood song."  great imagery,
great lyrics, great melody (of course, isn't that all ig songs?) the amy
song that speaks to me most is "world falls."  the story of my life.....

anyway, just thought i'd share my thoughts......

>hey, _y'all_! on tonight's "crossroads" show, the hostess, amy scott, said
>they would be playing indigo girls tomorrow night. so, this would be tuesday
>night, 12-5-95, between 10:30-11:00 cst (figure out your own times, since i
the san francisco chronicle says crossroads is at 8:30pm in the bay area.

monique

mhb@entelechy.com

i thought i would add to the current thread:

about a year ago, while an undergrad. and living in a residence hall, someone
decided to write "die dyke" on my door in permanant marker. it was a trying
time for me, but...and now for the point...the song, reunion, helped me out
a lot. the whole idea of not having time for anger with intimate strangers
was a powerful one for me!

-----------------------------------kerry----------------------------------------

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i'm sorry if my comments or the song offended you.  it was not my
intention.  as a christian and a non-native american, i found it
interesting and wanted to share it with the group.  in the future i
will try to remember that my interests are probably very different
than someone else in the group, and therefor it would not be a good
idea to spread them around.

the song was about the birth of jesus.  it is told by a french man
who, as we have learned, was a jesuit priest in the west.  it was
written, imho, to portray the birth of jesus in terms that native
american _converts_ would understand.  it was not, i believe,
intended to explain jesus to non-converts.  for me, if one is of a
different faith, i will do my best not to force mine on them.  i may
live my faith as best as i can without doing so if they so choose,
but please don't let that stop me from sharing my view of life
through my faith.  do the same, if you care to.

hey, there's been a bit of talk about christmas, but this is not the
only holiday season. if everyone doesn't mind, i propose a line of
posts about everyone's favorite holiday experience (xmas or
otherwise). maybe someone has a story relating to the indigo girls.
for me, it was last christmas break that i first really listened to
them (rop), and that has some special memories.

anna

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
why did the chicken cross the road?

douglas adams:
forty-two.

albert einstein:
whether the chicken crossed the road or the road crossed
the chicken depends upon your frame of reference.

salvador dali:
the fish.

mark twain:
the news of its crossing has been greatly exaggerated.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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one of the lyrics that really strikes a chord with me is "everything that
i believe crawls from underneath the streets, everything i truly love
comes from somewhere far above, everything that i believe is wrong with
you is wrong with me, ......"   it really touched me at a time when i was
struggling with religion and what it meant to me personally - i was
rejecting as just plain wrong (in a normative sense) much of what i had
been brought up with religiously, but i still loved parts of it.  it was
a bit like my feelings about santa.  i loved the myth, and still yearn
for a time when i believed that there was some kind man who knew and
cared whether i was "naughty or nice".  but, adulthood and reason
intrudes, and i can no longer believe it, even if i "love" it. the
other lyrics which especially made sense at that time : "my place is of
the sun and this place is of the dark, i do not feel the romance, i do
not catch the spark." it applied to the way i felt about church - i
didn't "feel" it - even though everyone around me seemed to.

anyway, that's been years ago, and don't worry, i'm over it, but i still
cherish those songs.

just thought you might wanna know.

kim

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mine would definitely have to be ghost at this point in time, however,
the air is changing and so might my favorite song soon. ;)
elizabeth

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alyson krauss is just devine! i have an album of her's and i just
love her voice! when you say nothing at all is great! however, my
favorite song she sings is atlanta! she really gets into it!!!

from: cindy
hi. i've been lurking down here for about a week. it seemed like commenting on
songs that touch our lives would be a good way to come out (as it were). the
song blood and firereally touches me. the real me, not the person that i usu
ally project. not that the two are that different, but i think y'all know
whati mean. tears are welling up just typing this. well, thanks for having
this list. i've enjoyed reading the postings and hope to post more in the
future.

yup, i saw crossroads last nite too, and i was going to post today to tell
y'all to set your vcrs for tonite. to help with the time conversion thing,
it's 11:30-12:00 on the east coast. they did promise to play ig tonite, and
rumor has it they've been playing it almost every nite. so i'm setting my vcr
so i don't have to sit through another half hour of watching vh-1.

folkisgruven,
l-
    i           will            not        be               complacent
lorinda wright           "learn to pretend there's more than love that
lw01@lehigh.edu           matters. -e.s.
lehigh university         "the apathy of time laughs in my face
bethlehem, pa             you say each life has its place. -e.s.
    i           will            not         be              complacent

>>
>> q: why did the chickenman cross the road???????

he was going to get the police because there was a strange woman trespassing
in his back yard and riffling through his stuff.

(ooooh, that one was mean!)

since everyone else seems to be flaming up about this, i thought i might
put in a few thoughts.  "twas in the moon" was written by a french jesuit
priest and is a description of what christ's birth might have been like if
jesus was born into a native american tribe instead of his actual
birthplace into a hebrew society.  that's it.  who knows what it's intended
purpose was.  perhaps it was written to help convert, perhaps it was
written for those already converted, perhaps jean just thought the imagery
sounded nice.  there is no reason to jump down other people's throats,
criticizing them for being too pc or not enough pc or whatever.  oh, and
marty, there is no question as to whether jesus existed--it's found in
several places in recorded history.  the question is who he was and/or is.
now let's stop all this criticizing and move on to another subject. i'd
hate to have this turn into another "the bible is sexist" discussion.......

ok, let's talk about rocks...i mean stones. the biggest reference is of course
wf:

i'm coming home with a stone strapped onto my back.
i'm coming home with a burning hope turning all my blues to black.
i'm looking for a sacred hand to carve into my stone.
a ghost of comfort, angels breath to keep this life inside my chest.

so far you've all used the stone as a reference to something negative,
(pergatory.) but i don't see it that way here. i agree that the stone on her
back could refer to a burden, but i've also always gotten a more positive feel
from it. i'm thinking more along the lines of the stone being a reference to
earth/grounding. some basic part of her, or her connection to the earth, or
some central, basic aspect of herself that she builds other things onto. (i'm
sorta fishing here, so bear with me.) if you exchange the word "burden" for
"stone" in both places above, it seems to fit, but i don't think it's such a
negative thing. we all have burdens, but not necessarily bad ones. just all of
our experiences, beliefs, etc. maybe i'm not making any sense. i don't know.
hopefully amy wouldn't be laughing at me too hard right now. :)

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>i don't know who this was directed to, but i am a fan of ms. i saw her an
>her kind hearted woman tour last year. ( i think it was last year). see
>ya later!! love, katie :-)
>
this was directed to yen m tang, who used the nickname prodigal daughter in
an earlier post. i was using a different mailer, which cc'd the list and
me as well (so i got a copy in the in-box instead of the out box, which unix
mail doesn't have).

is kind hearted woman her latest album, btw? or is this just the tour?
do you have any idea when her next album is coming out, or even if she is on
another label yet?

mat
mts5@aber.ac.uk

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lets try this again....

i really like this thread, even though the person who proposed it is
truly evil. i mean how can i be expected to choose just one song? ;)
that's really hard. lots of soul searching.

oh well, if i had to pick just one i think it would have to be
strange fire. it speaks to me on so many levels.

back in 1989-90, i was co-president of the johns hopkins catholic
community.  it was a very tough year.  the year prior, the archdiocese
of baltimore elminiated all funding to our program, including our
chaplain.  maureen (my co-pres), teh rest of the community, and myself
really banded together not only to provide everything that we had in
previous years, but also to challenge the archdiocese to get our
funding back.  if you think fighting city hall is hard, try the
catholic church.

i mention this for two reasons.  fisrt that year we planned a retreat
with the theme "masquerade," how we hide ourselves from god and each
other.  i found ig during that year and came running in to a retreat
meeting with strange fire in hand to play it for them.  the whole
song, but specifically the lines:

        when you learn to love yourself
          you will disolve  all the stones that are cast.
        you will learn to burn the icing sky,
          melt the waxen mask

really addressed the whole theme of the retreat. they were a little
put off by the second verse ("mercenaries of the shrine") so they we
didn't use it, but for me the song served as a symbol of something
that our community was capable of doing that no one in the archdiocese
thought we could do, namely to continue to exist. the next year,
after both maureen and i graduated, we got our funding back.

the other reason is that the cut-backs were a huge eye opening
experience for me.  i lost a lot of idealism in learning the decison
making process that led up to the cuts, how they were handled, etc.  i
was never a sterotypical catholic to begin with, but i was very upset
how the whole thing was handled.  i was searching for a outlet for my
philosophy of life and religion, who i was.  then i heard amy.  that
was it!  it was a perfect statement of everything, it made all the
pieces fit.  from that moment forward, the faith i lived in was more
than a top down model, but it was also a human level thing--the way i
really think that it way originally ment to be.  the reason i remain a
person of faith today, let alone a catholic, is because of amy.  i do
my best to live up to those standards. people are people, and everyone
has the power to empower.  the key is to know yourself first.

btw, honorable mentions to love's recovery and closer to fine
(although i sing it "i spent seven years prostrate to the higher
mind..." such is grad school).

-- chris

gigs for mary beth & ashley in december and january are as follows:

12/7: mr. henry's upstairs - washington, dc
12/8: the brass rail - atlantic city. nj
12/9: the frog pond - rehoboth beach, de
12/14: vienna tap & grill - vienna, va
12/15: hershee bar - norfolk, va
12/16: uncle louie's - norfolk, va
12/20: phase 1 - washington, dc
12/22: rafters - crofton, md
12/23: the country club - princess anne, md

cd release party january 1996 {see below}

1/4: mr. henry's upstairs - washington, dc
1/11: vienna tap & grill - vienna, va
1/12: the frog pond - rehoboth beach, de
1/13: the frog pond - rehoboth beach, de
1/17: uncle louie's - norfolk, va
1/20: the birhcmere - alexandria, va -- cd release party for "the colors of
life" (live from the birchmere) -- tickets on sale at all ticketmaster
locations
1/25: warehouse 29 - greensboro, nc

also -- check out commonbond's web site ......

http://www.intercom.net/local/music/comnbond/comnbond.html

thanks

chris

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oh, i thought of some other special ig lines. "i swore i'd never be your
sinner, until i held your sin" which reminds me of a line from the new
mongrels cd (which features a and e) "you know my greatest fear is that
i'll do what i would not do".  i guess that most everyone has found
themselves suddenly doing things they swore they wouldn't.  it's just
that i suppose that it's my "greatest fear"  that i won't remain firm in
my conceptions of right and wrong, or that i'll succumb to something
harmful, etc.  do these lines ring true for other people?

kim

>br=e9beuf, jean de, saint (br=e2b=f6f=b9), 1593=961649
>french roman catholic missionary, one of the jesuit martyrs of north
>america. a missionary to the huron, br=e9beuf with his colleague gabriel
>lalemant was killed by the iroquois. feast: oct. 19 (in the u.s.).
>

i remember seeing a film called "black robe" around four years ago that was
about 17th century jesuit missionaries in the huron. i don't remember the
specifics but i do recall not feeling so well when i left the theater. does
anyone else recall this film?

-bon

> that's it.

it's *never* "that's it."  especially not where the genocide of entire
nations are concerned.  you react like a typical american, which is to
gloss over the particulars of history as though they have no bearing
on the present day.  the fact is, that the european missionaries invaded
this country in search of indians' souls - so they could convert them to
the tried and true religion of capitalism, steal their land, and shuttle
them off to reservations on their way to complete genocide.  (the
missionaries were only one piece of the puzzle, but a significant one).

you simply cannot remove tiny pieces from the puzzle, declare them
insignificant, and therefore relieve yourself of the guilt of knowing your
ancestors are almost completely successful in their bid to rid the world
of the native american "race". you cannot simply say "that's it".

well, *you* can, and do, and so do your compatriots, which is why we
native americans *are* at the brink of extinction.

> oh, and
> marty, there is no question as to whether jesus existed--it's found in
> several places in recorded history. the question is who he was and/or is.
> now let's stop all this criticizing and move on to another subject. i'd
> hate to have this turn into another "the bible is sexist" discussion.......
>

well, not to burst your rude and condescending bubble, you are actually
completely wrong on this point.  there is still *plenty* of leeway as
to whether jesus of nazareth a) existed, b) ever *claimed* to be the son
of god, or that c) any of the fables the four gospels are telling the
truth (there is a conspicuous lack of contemporary independent sources
mentioning word one about the existence of any jew performing all those
alleged miracles.  one would think that *someone* other than matthew
mark luke and john would have *noticed* some dude traipsing across lakes
and such.).  (i was a catholic in training once, so i know how the stories
go.)

i won't argue this point with you on the list or privately, because the
fact is, as i said in my post, it doesn't matter whether he existed or not.
this jesus guy is the central figure in one of the world's religions,
one called christianity.  those who believe this religion to be the most
logical explanation of the universe call themselves christians.  whether
any of the god figures in this religion can be quantifiably proven to
exist or not is not important.  what is important is that the adherents
of this religion, and *any* *other* *religion*, should be allowed to
practice the religion of their choice.

the point amy tried to make early on in this discussion, was that the
hymn represented to her the insidious practice of so-called "christians"
of invading other lands, offering the natives the option of converting
to "christianity" or suffering horrible torture, and otherwise facilitating
a swarm of europeans running willy-nilly about the globe seizing lands
and eliminating the original inhabitants. given that, it is *very* relevant
*what* the song is about.

a religion, *any* religion, is nothing more than humans' attempts to put
an order to a vast and incomprehensible universe.  as humans are imperfect,
so are religions.  *all* religions.  no religion on the planet is perfect, all
religions on this planet contain elements that seem "wrong" to other cultures
somewhere.  what matters is not whether others can criticize your religion,
it is whether *you* feel confident that your religion represents the most
correct, most complete explanation of the order of the universe that you
can imagine, despite the criticisms of others.  (they call this "faith.")

if you cannot stand to see valid criticisms of your religion discussed
(the bible is sexist, missionaries kill for sport, dressing in feathers
is stupid, whatever) perhaps you should examine another religion that
might better fit *your* idea of how things ought to be.

as far as not wanting to see further discussion on this topic because there
is too much chatter on this list, goddess-forbid we should actually
carry on a thread or two that have actual meaningful content instead
of this ridiculous "favorite song" "favorite amy story" "favorite emily
hairdo" meaningless drivel that has formed the bulk of the noise on
this list lately.

--marty

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on tue, 5 dec 1995, muncho lake wrote:

> >br=e9beuf, jean de, saint (br=e2b=f6f=b9), 1593=961649
> >french roman catholic missionary, one of the jesuit martyrs of north
> >america. a missionary to the huron, br=e9beuf with his colleague gabriel
> >lalemant was killed by the iroquois. feast: oct. 19 (in the u.s.).
> >
>
> i remember seeing a film called "black robe" around four years ago that was
> about 17th century jesuit missionaries in the huron. i don't remember the
> specifics but i do recall not feeling so well when i left the theater. does
> anyone else recall this film?
>
> -bon

i do. i drug my parents to it when i was home for christmas and we were
sickened as well.  it was about a bunch of jesuit missionaries who were
eventually captured and tortured by the hurons they went to convert.  the
torture was shown in explicit detail.  ick!!!!

kim

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i love christmas as much as the next. that doesn't necessarily mean that
i agree with christian beliefs, but i _do_ enjoy christmas. i was raised
in a catholic home.

i won't say that i think that st. jean de brebeuf was beating anyone over
the head, but i would hesitate to say that in the time frame that this
was written, he hadn't thought of it at some point,  it's not really for us
to ponder.  the point i was trying to make in my original post to the list was
only that the statement was made "today in chapel we sang a variety of
non-traditional christian christmas songs.  i was quite surprised to find one
that had the birth of christ from a native american perspective."  once again,
my point was only to say that the song was _not_ from a native american
perspective as stated in the message.

well, my point has already been made. i invite more of these arguements.

--marty

_____________________________________________________________________________
"...it seems strange that she should be offended. the same orders are given
by her..."

-sinead o'connor

second newsflash, in some areas "crossroads" is repeated way late at night,
like 2am cst.  in memphis, vh-1 is not shown during prime time, so i have no
idea if they've played bmhawk in that time slot.  all i know is that from
wednesday night, it wasn't played 10:00pm-2:30am or 6:00am-10:00am.  you know
you're a rabid indigos fan when:  you get up at 6:00am on a _sunday_ morning,
just on the off chance that vh-1 will play indigo girls on sunday brunch.  they
didn't.  yawn.  by the way, i know vh-1 has their own .com, but i don't know
if there are separate addresses for requests, comments, etc.  they just say
"talk to us at vh1.com!"  i say if they play it, we find the address and send
about 10million "thank you!"s and if they don't play it as promised, we send
about 10million complaints.
rustyr

hey, graham!  after a solid week of staying glued to vh-1 absolutely round the
clock, the michael jackson screensaver joke was very welcome.  i usually like
his songs, the first half a million times i hear'em or see the video.  love
the "touch me fall" screensaver myself.  i also played with my soundware
software, and now when windows pops up, it says "'bout time!"  what would
we do at work if it weren't for fun stuff like this.
rustyr

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>> that's it.

>it's *never* "that's it." especially not where the genocide of entire
>nations are concerned. you react like a typical american, which is to
>gloss over the particulars of history as though they have no bearing
>on the present day

i am not delurking to argue about the meaning of the christmas carol, or
whether jesus actually existed or whether the bible is sexist.  i just
wanted to say that, while i haven't been on this list as long as some
others (only about 3 months) i found this to be the most accusatory,
mean-spirited and unpleasant post that i have seen on this list.  it
stops just short of personally attacking the original writer but
apparently there are no holds barred as far as americans go.  i can't
believe that someone who listens, no *hears*, the beautiful music and
message of amy and emily can then post with such generalites and
stereotypes.  i have found this list in general to be a place of very
nice people, and while we may not always get along, we can generally
agree to disagree.  however, i read this particular post with dismay and
a sinking feeling in the pit of my stomach.  i for one hope that i
*never* see anything like this on this list again.  i am also fervently
praying that i will not be attacked as viciously as amanda johnson was.
parker

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"'is the glass half-full or empty?' i ask her as i fill it. she says 'it
doesn't really matter, pretty soon you're bound to spill it.'" -es
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hi everyone,
i honestly think that almost every song that the girls have ever written
have, at some time or another, effected me. today i'm really feeling down
because it's raining out and i miss my friends from home...you know those
days....and i put the girls on...n*i*s...and there is something about it
that is soothing and theraputic...like right now for instance.."hand me
downs" is probably my favorite song and it reminds me of newport..my best
friend, lynn, and i love this song...we just looked at each other when they
started playing it and were so happy...that emotion is so much better than
anything else..you know? they just have this ability to reach places in me
that no one else can touch...and i don't even know them personally...that's
the amazing thing..music is so powerful....
with dreams of immortality,
maggie

is anyone going to the show at the barbery in philly friday night
????????????

to get away from amy trying to buy everything in his front yard

sa>hello from the land of procrastination!
sa>        i was walking through the library the other day, on the way to
sa>the terminals to check the mailing list and i was thinking of all the ig
sa>songs that have affected me and my life.  then "mystery" popped in my
sa>head and i realized how dead on emily hit in describing a very special
sa>friendship in my life.  so.....
sa>        i was thinking about passing this on to all of you.  if there was
sa>one ig song that just described your life/situation in you life/passing
sa>moment/burning memory...blahblahblah, what song would it be.  just any a
sa>or e song that just spoke to you and said everything you could have said
sa>but better...

"ghost" and "mystery"

i would tell you why but the songs tell it best. :)

indigo/dianne/tuesday's child

"...begin my studies with this paper and this
pencil and i'm working through the grammar of
my fears..."
--e.s.

sa>hallo again,
sa>        i just had to drop a line explaining my absence from the list.
sa>i had met someone earlier last month and had some real strong emotions
sa>going on inside my head and heart.  let's not get into the messy crap,
sa>but here's the thing i wanted all out on the mailing list to know...
sa>        i gave her (yes...gave her  $%#^%*!!!)...now....time to flame
sa>me...ouch.....
sa>        i gave her one of my ig cds.... (to be specific, the debut)

sa> of course, it turns out that she was the devil in disguise. now
sa>i'm missing an ig cd in my collection. i'm probably gonna buy it again.
sa>i was getting sick of roses, and i wanted to give something close to my
sa>heart.

sa>        what i'm really saying is just advice for all my friends who have
sa>yet to make the mistake i did.  forget the prenuptials, make sure you're
sa>not so gone out of your mind to give out something so important as your
sa>ig cds.  mind you, i wasn't that far out of my mind to give her 1200c or
sa>anything.  and actually, i don't regret it.  but i just hhad to  know
sa>others would/will learn from my mistakes...

sa>sigh....
sa>teri

teri--

why would we want to flame you for falling in love?
i lost my heart to a beautiful woman years ago (i still haven't gotten
the pesky thing back yet).  but she did give me one rather spectacular
gift during that time.
she introduced me to the indigo girls.  i'll always love her for that
(as well as at least half a billion other things)
btw, i'm sorry to hear that you lost one of your cd's.  i sincerely hope
that she didn't keep your heart too.

indigo/dianne/tuesday's child

"...so what is love then is it dictated or chosen does it sing like
the hymns of 1000 years or is it just pop emotion..."
--e.s.

hello list.  i am a student at st lawrence university, and part of our
first year program required us to watch the film black robe.  i, being
the studious and smart little girl, took copius notes.  so, in short:
the film discussed the invasion of and indigenous people's land. two
white missionaries attempt to convert the hurons's to christianity.
however, the people resist the men and fear they are involved with the
devil.  eventually the indians accept the missionaries, and are
consequently killed by an iroqouis tribe for converting.  the film
adresses the violence & love of guns that the white man carried with him
as well as the reformation of a beautiful, distinct group of people.
in the end of black robe, the main character and missionary, daniel, ask
s himself " perhaps they are right- that dreams are real, forests speak,
the dead talk at night, and dreams are to be obeyed". i found this quote
particularly intriguing and thought to pass it on to the list. i want to
apologize if this summary seems like a paper, but i used my paper as its
source.  i'm not even sure if this is relevant, i guess we'll see how
you feel.                                     jess

hey y'all...

does anyone know how to get a hold of the guitar music for jesus christ
superstar??

any info would be greatly appreciated...

michelle

here's some background info on the song for those interested. the source
is "the trial of leonard peltier" by jim messerschmidt.

=december 1890--wounded knee i--massacre of 300 women, children and me near
wounded knee by u.s. calvary.
=february 1973--wounded knee ii--approximately 300 traditionalists and aim
(american indian movement) supporters occupy the village of wounded knee to
protest tactics of dick wilson (tribal chairperson of the pine ridge
reservation 1972-1976) and his goon squad.
=march 1975--members of aim arrive at the jumping bull ranch and set up a
spiritual camp. a grassroots movement of aim and traditional people
continues to grow, challenging wilson's abuse of power and corporate
exploitation on indian land.
=26 june 1975--fbi agents ron williams and jack coler enter the jumping
bull ranch and a firefight ensues. both fbi agents and native american joe
stunts are killed.  the firsfight lasts all day, and the grassroots
movement is disrupted with the ensuing military-type occupation of the
reservation by fbi and other law enforcement agencies.
=25november 1975--leonard peltier, jimmy eagle, bob robideau, and dino
butler are indicted for the murder of the agents, after the supposed murder
weapon was obtained from an automobile carrying michael anderson, robideau,
and norman charles.
=2 january 1976--dick wilson officially signs over to the department of the
interior jurisdiction for one-eighth of the pine ridge reservation land,
which contains uranium, gas, oil, and gravel.
=26 february 1976--annie may aquash (aim member)'s body found on
reservation. government autopsy states she died of exposure; independent
pathologist determines she was shot in the head.
=summer 1976--butler and robideau acquitted of charges in cedar rapids, ia.
=8 september 1976-charges against jimmy eagle dropped.
=march and april 1977--perltier stands trial for the murders of williams
and coler in fargo, nd.  on the 18th of april he's found guilty of two
counts of murder in the first degree.  on june 1, judge paul benson
sentences him to two consecutive life sentences.

the story of peltier goes a lot further, involving lots of falsified
evidence and plots for his murder, but i 'll let you learn about that on
your own. if you can't find the book, e-mail me.

sorry this was so long, but i thought it would be good for everyone to know
what they were singing about (yes, i know about how you sing this in the
shower or in your bedroom....i do it too ;).

take care all.......

great thread, thanks for starting it! :)

i can think of several examples of lines in ig songs that really seem to
perfectly describe a specific moment or feeling in my life.....(that's one of
the things i find so amazing and wonderful about their songs!)  but the one
that seems to really stick in my mind happened a few years ago, when i was in
a job that seemed to keep me running 7 days a week, 15 hours a day, with
hardly any time left for myself or the things that mattered most to me.  as i
toiled away i used to dream of packing up and walking away, leaving the job
and this rat race, going in search of my self and healing my weary spirit by
backpacking thru europe (travel has always been a balm to my soul).  but even
as i desperately yearned to make this dream a reality, i knew that the timing
wasn't right, that i simply couldn't afford to quit my job, go to europe, or
live out my dreams at that time, no matter how badly i wanted (or needed!) to
do so.  as i was despairing over these thoughts one day, while driving
another long-distance haul for the job and listening my indigo girls tape to
make it somewhat more bearable, "prince of darkness" came on.  i must have
heard the song at least a hundred times before, but suddenly these lines
jumped out at me:  "my dreams came in like needy children, tugging at my
sleeve; i said 'i have no way of feeding you, so leave..."  and i thought
yes!  that is exactly how i feel right now!  and i was amazed once again at
the way this often seems to happen when i listen to the girls.......!

oh, and by the way, i can totally relate to "ghost"......and it sounds like
i'm far from being alone in that respect! what an incredible song.....

-connie :)

i noticed that they talk about dogs a lot in this song. i also hear dogs
menchioned in other songs. especially on swamp ophelia. does it have
any special meaning or am i just crazy, again?
elizabeth

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what was that you said?
***********************

(hot off the press! michelle rena weiss said):
>
> does anyone know how to get a hold of the guitar music for jesus christ
> superstar??
>
some of the songs have been transcribed and can be found at the
independent music chords & tablature site (on the www):
http://www.intergate.net/uhtml/sam/indietab.html (and via ftp):
ftp://intergate.net/users/sam/music

in addition, the sheet music for the entire album is available in one
bound book - check your local book/music stores for details.

peace,
stacie

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oh, come on now parker, it wasn't a vicious attack, it was a good strong
rejoinder to amanda's rather complacent earlier message......
well said marty, is my comment.

furthermore i must object to your assumption that we are all "nice people"
on this list!!!
we do not have to be "very nice" people just because we like i.g.s.
do not label us thus!!!!

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well said!!!!
lisa

to prove to armadillo man that it could be done.

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i will not be complacent.........
-amy ray

i think someone missed the point of my post.  (actually quite a few people)  i
was just tired of people jumping to conclusions about what other people meant.
anna posts the lyrics to a christmas carol written with a native american
"twist" and everyone launched into a discussion about who cause the genocide
of the native american race, and somehow this song was brought in as part of
the reason.  i believe too much was read into the song and too much was read
into anna's post (as well as other's, including my own!)  to all those who
agreed with me: thank you.  to all those who called me "ignorant" or
"complacent":  you don't know me.  you don't know my story or where i come
from, so don't even judge me. oh, and if you don't think that one post was a
vicious attack, wait till someone sends you an e-mail like that and then we'll
see how you feel.  what's wrong with the label "nice people"?  is kindness so
devoid in our society that it's bad to assume people are essentially good?
i"m starting to lose faith in the people on this list......

**************************************************************************
amanda johnson
ae-johnson@nwu.edu
northwestern university

                                                "what is dark in me,
                                                        illumine....."
                                                            -milton
**************************************************************************

hey, i really feel like i messed up a dubbing for somebody last weekend. he
was from oberlin and if you are reading this, e-mail me with your address and
i'll redo the tapes...i think i dubbed the longer tape onto the 60 minute
cassette and vice versa.... check it as see if i did indeed screw up...highly
possible!

jude:)

sorry about the bandwidth...

greetings...

it was his rite of passage.

the 'walk away' sign was lit...

he thought it was a crazy game...

to make it easier for virginia woolf to visit cedar tree (world) falls
in nashville. there's nothing like the southland in the springtime...

*deep breath*

hey! jesus had love's recovery when those hammer and a nail made a reunion
with the wood, song 'back together' again. fugitive, touch me fall with the
least complicated airplane. fare the well 'kid' fears...

enough already!!!

it's like, if you take the abbey road album (remember vinyl folks??) then
you can make pretty much all of side two into a sentance if you're
a) sad
b) bored
c) fed up with this thread
d) all of the above...

put me down for d with added procrastination...

@}--,-'---

amanda wrote a little while ago:

> >>>>> what's wrong with the label "nice people"? is kindness so
>>>>>>> devoid in our society that it's bad to assume people are essentially
>>>>>>> good?
>>>>>>> i'm starting to lose faith in the people on this list....

hey - serious stuff!! should i have added some :)'s to my last two
sentences? lighten up folks! i guess we all come from such different
starting points....ahhh .. where to begin to explain this one eh? i've been
wondering about the average age of the members of this list....(not that i'm
jumping to conclusions here or making assumptions!!) but i have a sneaking
feeling that most everyone is kinda young???
is it that i'm just toooo old and grey to share many meanings with you young
folk?
is there no-one out there who understands what i meant by my objection to
being categorized "nice" !???

oh dear!

dont lose faith amanda, just ask "not nice" people like me to leave the
list! :):):)

you'll be glad to hear i think i might anyway - as i don't seem to share
meanings with many people on the list!! - i caused a lot of confusion with
my comments over the greenbelt audience... ha! no, please don't start that
one up again; you all entirely missed my point apart from one kind person
who wrote me.
actually, i'm just unhealthily (for a woman of my age) addicted to all these
stories about haircuts, bike rides and costumes so i think it'll be good for
me to unsubscribe!!

for those who liked the poem below that was posted the other day, there's
lots more where it came from! it was written by collin mccarty, and can be
found in his collection "for you, just because you're very special to me" (he
authored the entire collection). another excellent book is "i keep falling in
love with you", a collection edited by susan polis schutz. they are beautiful
books, and make great gifts for your sweetie :). the first one is great
for close friends, too.

ken

>thoughts for you

>one of the most special places in my heart will always be saved for you.
>you...the one person i can always talk to; the one person who understands.
>you...for making me laugh in the rain; for helping me shoulder my troubles.
>you...for being a friend in spite of myself, and always putting me back on my
       feet again.
>you...for giving me someone to believe in; someone who lets me know that
       there really is goodness and kindness and laughter and love in the
       world.
>you...for being one of the best parts of my life, and proving it over and
       over again.
--
ken guttman                 | "that's a crooked tree, we'll send him
miami university of ohio    |  to washington."  --the late bob ross
kjguttman@miavx1.muohio.edu |    landscape painter, friend to all

i found this little program called tt.zip that seems like if i knew
*anything* about guitars i would love it. here is the description and if
anyone wants it, i will send it as an attached file...

this software will convert the musical information contained in a
standard midi file, to guitar tablature.

tt can be used for different purposes. for the apprentice
guitarist, it provides a useful tool. a song can be listened to
with a sequencer and a midi set-up, at a reduced tempo if desired,
and with the guitar transcription it is very easy to follow along
in order to learn the song progressively. another use of tt is to
adapt songs for guitar even if they were originally intended for
another instrument. it also provides an inexpensive way to acquire
a large repertoire of guitar transcription since many midi files
are available on computer bulletin boards.

many programs such as sequencers and scoring software will
convert musical sequences to traditional musical notation. this is fine
for the well trained and disciplined guitarist, put many guitarists
have a limited sight reading ability, since sight reading for a
guitarist is not an easy task: the same note can sometimes be
located at five different positions on the fret board. tablature is
a graphical system of notation which identifies notes to be played
by specifying both the string and fret position. it does not present
rhythm information, but if the song can be heard (the sequence can
be played on a sequencer), if is very easy to "pick up" the rhythm.

features of tab transcriber

- pitch bend detection.

- vibrato modulation detection.

- transposition of any track.

- variable bend sensitivity.

- editing features to modify the transcription according
to the taste of the player.

- recognition of 27 different types of chords in all keys,
to provide for easy guitar arrangements.

jude :)

earlier i made the statement:

.  what's wrong with the label "nice people"?  is kindness so
>devoid in our society that it's bad to assume people are essentially good?
>i"m starting to lose faith in the people on this list......
>
my apologies to everyone--i was much to harsh and i shouldn't have
generalized about everyone. as i told someone else, i'm recovering cynic.
i guess some of the posts hit me real hard, so i kinf od lashed out at
everyone. i'm a bit more clearheaded now.  anyway, i guess i missed my own
point.  sorry 'bout that.

for all you studying college peope, and everyone else who needs a
light moment, here's a bit of humor that will brighten your day. i
found it on the internet somewere, but i don't remember where.
enjoy!

anna

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

nature

interpretations of nature from junior high, high school, and college
test papers and essays submitted to science and health teachers
(spelling errors preserved)....

"when you breath, you inspire. when you do not breath, you
expire."

"h2o is hot water, and co2 is cold water"

"to collect fumes of sulphur, hold a deacon over a flame
in a test tube"

"when you smell an oderless gas, it is probably carbon
monoxide"

"water is composed of two gins, oxygin and hydrogin.
oxygin is pure gin. hydrogin is gin and water."

"three kinds of blood vessels are arteries, vanes and
caterpillars."

"blood flows down one leg and up the other."

"respiration is composed of two acts, first inspiration,
and then expectoration."

"the moon is a planet just like the earth, only it is even
deader."

"artifical insemination is when the farmer does it to the
cow instead of the bull."

"dew is formed on leaves when the sun shines down on them
and makes them perspire."

"a super-saturated solution is one that holds more than it
can hold."

"mushrooms always grow in damp places and so they look
like umbrellas."

     "the body consists of three parts - the brainium, the
     borax and the abominable cavity. the brainium contains the
     brain, the borax contains the heart and lungs, and the
     abominable cavity contains the bowls, of which there are
     five - a, e, i, o, and u."

"the pistol of a flower is its only protections agenst
insects."

"the alimentary canal is located in the northern part of
indiana."

     "the skeleton is what is left after the insides have been
     taken out and the outsides have ben taken off. the purpose
     of the skeleton is something to hitch meat to."

"a permanent set of teeth consists of eight canines, eight
cuspids, two molars, and eight cuspidors."

     "the tides are a fight between the earth and moon. all
     water tends towards the moon, because there is no water in
     the moon, and nature abhors a vacuum. i forget where the
     sun joins in this fight."

"a fossil is an extinct animal. the older it is, the more
extinct it is."

"equator: a managerie lion running around the earth
through africa."

"germinate: to become a naturalized german."

"liter: a nest of young puppies."

"magnet: something you find crawling all over a dead cat."

"momentum: what you give a person when they are going
away."

"planet: a body of earth surrounded by sky."

"rhubarb: a kind of celery gone bloodshot."

"vacumm: a large, empty space where the pope lives."

"before giving a blood transfusion, find out if the blood
is affirmative or negative."

"to remove dust from the eye, pull the eye down over the
nose."

"for a nosebleed: put the nose much lower then the body
until the heart stops."

"for drowning: climb on top of the person and move up and
down to make artifical perspiration."

     "for fainting: rub the person's chest or, if a lady, rub
     her arm above the hand instead. or put the head between
     the knees of the nearest medical doctor."

"for dog bite: put the dog away for sevral days. if he has
not recovered, then kill it."

"for asphyxiation: apply artificial respiration until the
patient is dead."

"for head cold: use an agonizer to spray the nose untill
it drops in your throat."

"to keep milk from turning sour: keep it in the cow."

recently i was going through a very trying time in my life and struggling
with alot of issues.  those times when life just seemed unberable i would
put on the girls and just sit back and close my eyes.  one of these times
"prince of darkness" came on and it was like my anthemn.  the songs
completely describes my experience on this earth!

michelle

folks,

  someone on this list kindly emailed me about my entry into the
"choose one song thread" pointing out my choice of words could easily
be taken in an insulting manner.  as i mention to him/her below, if
one person emails it, then more probably experience it.  as such i am
forwarding my response to this unnamed person in hopethat other people
whom may have taken offense at the statement will accept my appology.

that goes doubly for the proposer of the thread whom is clearly not
an evil person in any literal sense of the word. i'm enjoying reading
everyones choices and the stories behind them. =)

sorry for the confusions,

chris

> > >>>truly evil.
> >
> > i guess i'm being over sensitive here chris....but you must remember that
> > this technology doesnt permit us to hear any jokey tone of voice or see any
> > grin or wink - reading grey and white text is pretty cold - its not good to
> > see this on the list  - someone recently criticized another person's post
> > for the careless use of the word "evil". i am not a religious person - you
> > clearly are - but i find your use of this - though doubtless as a "joke" -
> > very offensive
>
> i'm sorry you were offended.  i thought i smilied it, but the the
> computer crashed and i had to send the post twice (that's why my .sig
> came alone the first time). i may be rembering the smiley from the
> frst time i sent it.  while you are right, it was intended as a joke,
> i am truely sorry you were offended.  i don't think its a matter of
> oversensitivity, you are you and you reacted to the text the way you
> did. no labels needed.
>
> i do however disagree with you on the idea that you can not infer
> sarcasm or subtlety from text (without smileys--although they help and
> one was intended to be used in this case).  i think you can determine
> sarcasm from context, from inversions of meanings or ironies in the
> construction.  while you are right there are no vocal cues to boslter
> ones conclusions, i think there is more information in the text than
> just the words. for example, i did mention that this was a great thread (not
> the act of an evil person in the literal sense) and then i explained
> that the "evilness" (in the saracstic sense) was do to the difficult
> act of chosing just one song.
>
> either way, i should have smilied it and i regret i did not.  ther are
> even more subtle issues at work here.  for exaple, what about people
> for whom english is not their native language (this is a worldwide
> forum after all).  they can not be reasonablly expected to catch the
> ironies....
>
> btw, its not clear i'm a religious person (although i can understand
> how you took that away from my post).  i am simply me, i do what i do,
> i find connections in places i find connections.  one of those places
> happens to be my faith, but i think if you were to compare what i
> belive with any other human being you'd find vast differences.
> "religious person" is just another label and one that i find
> constrictive.  i am simply me.  (no offense taken btw =))
>
>
> > has it occurred to you how the person in question might feel reading what
> > you wrote???
>
>
> actually, it did.  i thought they'd get a chuckle.  but then again, i
> also thought i put a ";)" down.
>
>                       take care and again my appologies,
>
>                                       chris
>
> p.s.  i am going to send a copy of this (minus your identity) to the
> list.  i my experience if one person writes you, then ther are at
> least 10 more who feel the same way.  they also deserve to have the
> issues addressed. =)
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> christopher m. becker                     "trying to read the greek
> mit center for space research                       upon the stars...."
> cmbecker@space.mit.edu                                 -- e. saliers
>
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oh, i thought of another addition to this thread.  several summers ago, i
was working as a wildland fire fighter which was, as you might assume,
tough as all hell.  i was one of the only women on this particular fire.
we had been on the mountain for 3 days , with a base camp at the bottom.
i had been sleeping on the ground in a paper sleeping bag for several
nights, i was dead tired just from the exhaustion, and my crew was hiking
up this incredibly steep incline towards a rivine, where we had to hike
*in the water* since there was fire on one side, and a rock wall on the
other.  at this point, inhaling smoke, and feeling near collapse, the
words "please god or someone, make it easier" popped into my mind.
exactly!!!

kim

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on tue, 5 dec 1995, christopher m. becker wrote:

> i really like this thread, even though the person who proposed it is
> truly evil. i mean how can i be expected to choose just one song? ;)
> that's really hard. lots of soul searching.

        as i was telling kimberly (as in kimorr), i was in a particularly
sadistic mood when i typed this all up, so ha!!!  if i must suffer, i
will bring all my fellow listmates with me!!!  i am evil!  gggrrrrrr...

see what love will do to ya? :)

> my best to live up to those standards. people are people, and everyone
> has the power to empower. the key is to know yourself first.

with this statement, i say power to chris! thiis is so well said
and it couldn't be truer.

peace, love, and a good hair day to all,
terio

thanks anna. had a pretty long day and needed the help getting a smile
---emily :)

sorry, i know this is an old discussion, but today i was driving in
downtown long beach and saw a building called "tuesday's children: a
helping hand". i didn't have time to check it out but there is the
possibility that there are other places like this across the country.
anybody know?--emily :)

i wanted to comment on my interpretation of amy's song

"i'm coming home with a stone strapped onto my back
i'm coming home with a burning hope turning all my blues to black
i'm looking for a sacred hand to carve into my stone
a ghost of comfort, angels breath to keep this life inside my chest"

i agree and feel that the stone is a burden in life but i feel that the burden
whild is a heavy rock to bear is something which will enable us to grow within
our lives. i'm coming home to make changes about things that are not right.
"i'm looking for a sacred hand to carve into my stone" -- i know that this
burden i carry is important and worth carrying but i don't know what it means
yet. i'm looking for someone/thing to explain/carve the burden. "a ghost of
comfort, angels breath to keep this life inside my chest" -- with the burden
explained/defined it's not so hard to continue with life, it will help me to
continue to battle with daily lifes trials and tribulations.

that's just how i interpret this, feel free to interpret it any way that fits
for you. i by no means am saying this is the only way it is. i'd be interested
in knowing how others interpret the lyrics to other songs such as :

"there's more than one answer to these questions pointing me in a crooked line,
the less i seek my source for some definitive
the closer i am to fine"

"what makes me think i could start clean slated, the hardest to learn was the
least complicated"

lisa- collector and lover of eclectic things and ideas...

hi there...

only five days until i...get my paper and i'm freeeeeeeeeeee!
yeeeeehoooooooo!

well, so that there's some substance to this post, i was wanting to make
contact with anyone in the uk. i'll be landing in london in february,
staying for a couple of years, and i'd really appreciate it if i had some
people to show me the ins-and-outs and all the groovy places to go. i
have family there, but i don't know that they'd really be up with where
the gay community hangs out, etc...

well, i guess that i'll have to un-sub soon. oh well, it was good while
it lasted.

pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeze write back to me, or i'll pout :(

see ya!
janet

yesterday when i came *this* close to having a nervous breakdown because i
accidently taped over half of the ig disney special, it's not even mine, a
friend from work taped it and lent it to me...these lyrics came into my head
amidst the panic, "a curse and a blessing they're one and the same, baby it's
all such a treacherous game, hide yourself from me..." so, i'm staying far
away from the vcr for a while, it really is treacherous territory for me
right now...i'm also hiding from my friend until i figure out what to do.
does anyone in the bay area have a copy which they would be willing to let
me copy? please, i beg you humbly!!!

hi y'all!  first i'd like to say thanks much to all of you that
responded to my last "literary" contribution.  i'm flattered beyond all
expression that anyone would compare anything i've written to a&e's
songs.  thank you!!!
so in light of all this encouragement, here are two more pieces.  i
sorta wrote them at the same time, which is probably why they are so
similar.  i just didn;t think that they quite fit together though which
is why i kept them as individual pieces.
hope you like them.  your comments and critiques are welcome and
greatly appreciated.  i hope that you will all tell me to cease and
desist if you feel that i shouldn't be wasting bandwidth with this.  :)
thanks for reading!

indigo/dianne/tuesday's child

a chip of ice in the heart
i feel myself frost over
the chill wind howling at the door
calling me into the storm
to be lost forever

sifting through the ashes
i am seared by passion
exquisite pain
i wrap myself around this last
lingering ember

your white heat
strips me
of my defenses and
leaves me
naked in the storm

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from an ember to a flame
your eyes the spark
i am ignited
a flame white hot
incandescent in my desire
from your cool depths
you watch me burn

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"...begin my studies with this paper and this pencil
and i'm working through the grammar of my fears..."
--e.s.

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