lifeblood: listlogs: 1995-12b

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date:         thu, 7 dec 1995 03:13:58 est
reply-to:     mr rodney s wicker <rucr57a@prodigy.com>
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from:         mr rodney s wicker <rucr57a@prodigy.com>
subject:      sejarez and letterman...

>i realize this debate was a while ago...but i finally decided to get
out my
>birchmere 11/25/90 show, because amy talks about "sejarez" on it,
and
>transcribe what she said...

> "this is, uh, uh, a song that i wrote, um, in, um, berkley...
<discussion
>about whether it really was berkley>... we used to stay all of us in
the same
>room and, um, we were playing somehwere, and i had this dream, and
our road
>manager said that i saying * sejarez in the middle of the night. i
don't
>know what it means, um, but i felt better when i woke up than i did
when i
>went to sleep, so it must have been something pretty cool, so i
wrote a song
>about it."

>*could be "seeing," but i really, really think it's "saying"

>is that the what y'all finally settled on, anyhow? oh well...hope
it helps

this is very close to the story i was told and the one i passed along.
the story i heard i was really passing along on faith, so it is
nice to know that sometimes, faith is rewarded!!

i live in los angeles and my copy of the los angeles time did not
list indigo girls as a guest on letterman the night they were on, so
those of you that saw it were lucky!! oh well, i guess i'll have to
watch watershed to make me feel better!!

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date:         thu, 7 dec 1995 03:34:32 -0500
reply-to:     the babesther <han-esther@yale.edu>
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from:         the babesther <han-esther@yale.edu>
subject:      reunion questions possible answer

i don't have the original post, but someone asked why there were so many
mentions of dogs in the song reunion.

well, in watershed (the video) amy explains what inspired her to write
the song. apparently, she had seen a bunch of boys on a hill set a dog
on fire, and this changed her whole perspective on life.

can someone elaborate?

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dear angela,

     i know in the past i've caused you pain, and i'm sorry.  and i'll
always be sorry til the day i die.  and i hate this pen i'm holding, because
i should be holding you.  i hate this paper under my hand because it isn't
you.  i even hate this letter because it's not the whole truth.  because the
whole truth is so much more than a letter can even say.  if you wanna hate
me, go ahead.  if you wanna burn this letter, do it.  you could burn the
whole world down.  you could tell me to go to hell.  i'd go.  if you wanted
me to.  and i'd send you a letter from there.
                                        sincerely,
                                        jordan catalano
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date:         wed, 6 dec 1995 20:57:44 -0500
reply-to:     dory doering - faculty services coordinator <doryd@tourolaw.edu>
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from:         dory doering - faculty services coordinator <doryd@tourolaw.edu>
subject:      nigc - possibly you?

would the individual who referred to me as "obtuse" and "in need of
psychological help" in response to my post of about two weeks ago about the
bible and patriarchy, please re-email me their response again. i do not have
their post anymore and i would like to respond to them. thanks

-dory (doryd@tourolaw.edu)

russell means, described as "one of the biggest, baddest, meanest, angriest,
most famous american indian activists of the late 20th century--a man who
with other warriors faced off federal agents at wounded knee, s.d. during a
71-day seige in 1973" is the subject of a washington post article in today's
paper. means, notable for his activism and anger, is "still plenty angry
about the breaking of the fort laramie treaty of 1868 by the white man; the
massacre at wounded knee in 1890 by u.s. army troops firing hotchkiss machine
guns at unarmed men, women, and children; and all the ensuing depredations
and broken promises down the decades."

means was in washington, d. c. to celebrate publishing of his autobiography
"where white men fear to tread". means said that he was full of "silent,
seething anger" as a young man.  "i could feel it coming out of every pore,"
he said. but, he says, "i came to understand that life is not about race or
culture or pigmentation or bone structure--it's about feelings.  that's what
makes us human beings.  we all feel joy and happiness and laughter...ugliness
and shame and hurt."

peace,

jude:)

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date:         thu, 7 dec 1995 11:50:45 est
reply-to:     sue steinike <steinike@mace.cc.purdue.edu>
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from:         sue steinike <steinike@mace.cc.purdue.edu>
subject:      re: chickenman xing road, ? about sheet music
in-reply-to:  <199512070510.aaa22356@mace.cc.purdue.edu>; from "automatic
              digest processor" at dec 7, 95 12:02 am

the chickenman went to wake up emily, who as we all know from 1200c, was
asleep in the bus, so she wouldn't miss any of the enlightenment.

does anyone know if separate sheet music for any songs was ever released?
the guitar songbooks generally list only one vocal line, and i'd be
interested in seeing the harmony as well. thanks!

sue (bday is 5/23/70 for whoever is keeping track)

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date:         thu, 7 dec 1995 18:54:49 +0500
reply-to:     sharon jennings <rcxsj@unix.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk>
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from:         sharon jennings <rcxsj@unix.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk>
subject:      reunion questions possible answer

>
>i don't have the original post, but someone asked why there were so many
>mentions of dogs in the song reunion.
>
>well, in watershed (the video) amy explains what inspired her to write
>the song. apparently, she had seen a bunch of boys on a hill set a dog
>on fire, and this changed her whole perspective on life.
>
>can someone elaborate?

wasn't it a cat that was set on fire? when kirsti interviewed them in the
summer amy mentioned something about all the dogs on the album..... my
memory is a little bit vague here.

sharon

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date:         thu, 7 dec 1995 12:58:21 -0500
reply-to:     debbie o'donoghue <doobie@student.umass.edu>
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from:         debbie o'donoghue <doobie@student.umass.edu>
subject:      tangled up in blue chords

hi all!

i am just getting started on learning the covers on 1200 curfews.  if
anyone has the chords to tangled up in blue, thin line, and river could
you please send them my way.  i am also looking for rockin' in the free
world, cortez the killer, i don't wanna talk about it and it won't take
long (from spirit of 73).  if someone could point me in the direction of
where i could find these chords and lyrics that would be fabulous!

on another note, i just picked up copies of history or us and complicated
girls and are very happy with them.  i also got my hands on vinyl copies of
back on the bus 'yall and n*i*s for $6.00/ea. and am in the process of
trying to get rop and sf.  the guy at the record store said they would
go for around $10, is this too much?  i don't think so cause i have been
looking for them forever and have had no luck.  even when i was in san
francisco i went to all the record stores in the vicinity (over 15 stores)
and they said they were hard to get copies of.  luckily a friend stumbled
upon botby and nis in a cool record store near b.u. in kenmore square in
boston, ma.  she said they have so many ig things, boots, cd singles etc.,
that any ig fan would go nuts there (and buy everything if you had a
few hundred/thousand dollars on you).  guess where i am going after xmas!!!

finally, i thought the video for bmhawk rawked!!!!!!  amy and emily looked
so awesome!  i thought the imagery in the video was incredible and it
moved me to do some research on wounded knee and i went to the library and
took out 3 books on the event and so far it is fascinating.  if y'all have
any time on break or over the holidays check out these books they are:

wounded knee: a personal account by stanley david lyman

airlift to wounded knee by bill zimmerman

voices from wounded knee , published by akwesasne notes

the trial of leonard peliter by jim messerschmidt

i also had difficulty finding any library in the area that had either of
the books by frank stranford. i am going to go to a few bookstores in
town and see what they have to say about where to find a copy.

sorry about the length of this post, i just got carried away a bit.

happy indigoing!

take care and peace!

-deb
doobie@student.umass.edu

hey :)

can anyone reccomend a good hotel/hostel/anywhere for a couple to stay for
a couple of days in new york city??
cheap but nice is good :)
as opposed to expensive and tacky and crappy...

thanks y'all :):)

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there is quite a decent review of 1200 curfews in this months q
magazine.... i left my copy at my parents house so i'll post the review on
monday if no one else here in the uk does it before then. it's a bloody
marvel that they get a mention in a magazine here... at least 40 people
here at work know who they are now thanks to my many t-shirts :) spread the
word!!!!

i'm trying to decide what ig song to play at the christmas party so that i
can hopefully make a few converts :) i guess it will have to be closer to
fine. any suggestions?

this is an ig joke told to me by a friend who is not a huge joan baez fan.
please don't take it the wrong way... it is not meant to offend anyone's
religious beliefs.

jesus, amy, emily and joan are in a boat on a lake. the boat springs a leak
and starts to sink so jesus gets out and walks to a nearby island. amy and
emily get out too and follow him. joan sees that the others are safe so she
gets out, but she sinks and drowns. jesus turns to amy and emily and says
"why didn't you tell her about the stepping stones?" amy and emily looked
puzzled and reply "what stepping stones?"

i found this hilarious .... extremely apt i thought considering the recent
recording of jcs :)

nigc:

i'm off to the usa for a year. i'll be in austin, texas from january until
the end of march and then i'll be in greenville, south carolina for nine
months. if for some strange reason anyone wants to meet up with me then get
in touch. i'm hoping to make *several* trips to atlanta and would like to
meet up with some of you who live there. a visit to rainy day records,
eddie's attic, the black cat club (austin) and the flying biscuit cafe are
called for i think.... anywhere else i should visit? well i'll be wearing
my ig t-shirts so i would be chuffed if someone spotted me and struck up a
conversation :) if not then i look forward to seeing some of you at
newport, new orleans or jcs in atlanta if it happens.

i'm sulking a bit at the monent because new year's eve is my birthday but i
can't make it to atlanta *sulk* i wanted to go to the rainy day records
party... maybe next year :)

take care y'all (i'm getting into practise with my y'alls :))
sharon

ps. thanks jon... the t-shirt has arrived.

sharon. a. jennings
cancer research campaign laboratories
univesity of nottingham
university park
nottingham
ng7 2rd (0115) 9513408
england (0115) 9513414 (fax)

hi all,

i came into a few *mint* copies of the 1200 curfews promo poster and i
thought i'd offer them up for sale to the list. they are 24 x 36, and
are the photos of a&e from the inside front cover of 1200 curfews (the
ones with emily playing the big orange electric and amy jumping in
mid-air).

they are really beautiful -- done in sepia tones with "indigo girls" and
"1200 curfews" written across the top and bottom in that funky red
scrawl. they're on pretty heavy stock paper, too -- not flimsy at all.

i'm asking $10 each + $5 postage (in u.s.) for the tubes and shipping --
$15 total.

disclaimer: before people potentially start ragging on me for
"commercializing" let me be the first to say that it's very likely that
you might be able to find these for less either in goldmine or at your
local record store. i'm merely offering an alternative...

also, please respond to me privately, not to the list...

thanks y'all...

lori
llevy03@emory.edu

p.s. please be patient with me. i'm in the middle of writing a 30-page
paper and might not be able to get back to you right away. i just
thought i'd post this now so there'd be enough time if anyone was thinking
about getting these as holiday gifts.

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date:         thu, 7 dec 1995 10:57:58 -0700
reply-to:     jill frankel <jefrankel@ucdavis.edu>
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from:         jill frankel <jefrankel@ucdavis.edu>
subject:      sylvia, are you out there? (nigc)

hi.  sorry to post this to the whole list, but sylvia sent me the liner
notes to rage in the ring, and i wanted to get in touch with her...i've
lost her address.  if you're reading this, please e-mail me at
jefrankel@ucdavis.edu!  thanks,  jill

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date:         thu, 7 dec 1995 19:05:37 +0000
reply-to:     mts5@aber.ac.uk
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from:         matthew joseph smith <mts5@aber.ac.uk>
subject:      re: tangled up in blue chords
x-to:         debbie o'donoghue <doobie@student.umass.edu>
in-reply-to:  your message of "thu, 07 dec 95 12:58:21 est."
              <199512071758.maa25316@twain.oit.umass.edu>

you could also try reading bury my heart at wounded knee by (i think) dee brown?

mat
mts5@aber.ac.uk

   "[the priest] said that if you have to work for anyone, an
        absentee boss is best."
           - jeannette winterson, "the passion"

>wasn't it a cat that was set on fire? when kirsti interviewed them in the
>summer amy mentioned something about all the dogs on the album..... my
>memory is a little bit vague here.

the quotes you're looking for are: "and they were setting these _cats_ on
fire." from amy's explanation of dead man's hill, and: "yeah, there are dogs
all over that album" from kirsti's interview when she asks emily about the
"old dogs" in mystery and they get to talking about other references to dogs.
(such as in reunion.)

gee, do i ever feel obsessive right now. :)

folkisgruven,
lorindigo
    i           will            not        be               complacent
lorinda wright           "learn to pretend there's more than love that
lw01@lehigh.edu           matters. -e.s.
lehigh university         "the apathy of time laughs in my face
bethlehem, pa             you say each life has its place. -e.s.
    i           will            not         be              complacent

at 01:49 pm 12/7/95 -0500, lori wrote:

>disclaimer: before people potentially start ragging on me for
>"commercializing" let me be the first to say that it's very likely that
>you might be able to find these for less either in goldmine or at your
>local record store. i'm merely offering an alternative...

to whoever wants one of these, check your local record store
first. i picked up around six from mine and gave them away
to my sister and some other friends. i will check again to
see if he has more and offer them to the list to anyone for
free, excluding postage, of course.

i will admit that i do have a problem with someone getting a stack
of promo posters for free and then taking them to a mailing list for
that artist and selling them for $15 a pop. yes, in spite of the fact
that there is a built in market here.

i mean, geesh, have some class, go to a record swap where that crap is
expected instead of preying on people who you know are vulnerable to
that type of "commercializing".

the only "alternative" you're offering is another chance for you to
make some more money off of indigo stuff you don't want. as if your
over priced auction a while back wasn't enough.

i'm sure these very same posters will be offered through the fan club
as was the "three hits" poster. and at least that way the money will
be going to the right people.

remember too, the fan club is online: igfan@rcam.com

write and ask them to make the poster availble. just don't give in to
people taking advantage of their good fortune and trying to make a buck
off of others.

just my two cents...michael :-)

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date:         thu, 7 dec 1995 15:47:06 est
reply-to:     martha young - net access only <myoung@usra.edu>
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from:         martha young - net access only <myoung@usra.edu>
subject:      nigc:  leaving the list

so, i sit here today contemplating why i would choose to stay a part of this
list. there are no real answers coming to mind other than the fact that i
like the indigo girls.

i am choosing to leave this list because i am unhappy with many of the
attitudes i have encountered here.  (i've also met some very nice people whom
i would love to continue to chat with...)  i have now been a part of this list
twice.  the first time i left was due to a discussion about native americans
the indigo girls' song jonas and ezekial.  (emily used a part of the navajo
beautyway chant at the end without giving credit as to where it came from)
i am leaving this time because i chose to post a response to a message that
no one wanted to hear.

i am disappointed in the fact that many of the people i have encountered seem
to think that this list is supposed to be where you talk about what amy and
emily wear, how much we want them and where they were last spotted (and what
they looked like, etc.). i have to say that this sounds like a bunch of
stalkers with a copy of tigerbeat magazine. it's fine to say once in
a while that we like what they look like, but wouldn't it be nicer to have
discussions on what their songs might mean, what makes them good, what are
they doing now...without all of this stalker stuff?

i have been flamed for sharing my opinion yet told that i should let others
share theirs. i have seen other people flamed for sharing an opinion that
the majority of people didn't agree with. i have been "corrected" for my
"lack of pc" and "tact" yet no one seems to understand that there is a
legitimate reason for saying what i said the first time.

i will not apologize to anyone for speaking up.  i will not feel guilty for
having an opinion on an issue that no one else likes.  i will not continue
to defend the fact that i have now been force fed the christian right (which is
neither) until i am ill.  i will not take back anything i have said that has
caused someone to have to think that they are less than perfect.  i will no
longer be told that my responses to a message someone sends me are snide
remarks when the message being responded to is full of ignorance and
childish whimpering.

> maybe you should try another group, and endure the
> constant flamewars which turn up on public groups and probably other lists as
> well. we are very lucky not to have the idiots which plague some of the
> other groups (particularly public ones).

it is messages like this one that make me not want any part of this list.
the person who posted it will surely remember this one. perhaps that person
should remember that this is a public list as well, and that to assume that
there won't be or shouldn't be any flamewars on here is *ig*norant. and the
moment that it was decided that i was an idiot is were you went wrong...don't
assume that you are better than i because you say so.

there are other messages sitting here on my computer that will be answered
one by one. the fact that i am bothering to answer any of them should let
you know that you should probably think about what you say before you send
it. i do not feel that i should have to be gentle with someone who posts a
message without first doing the research to back up their statements.

i have nothing against most christians...in fact my partner is a christian, but
the people who have chosen to continue this arguement because they can't let
go of it, and you know who you are, need to understand that their persistance
is exactly what i mentioned in my post to amanda on the list. it is that
which was done to native americans by the missionaries. we were told that
we should all feel like we can believe what we want but if we could not
believe in jesus, then we wouldn't have the freedom to believe in our own
gods...

i will always listen to the indigo girls and enjoy them. i understand now
why amy and emily are so disgusted at this mailing list. if i were a musician
and i knew that there was a list like this, i would be disgusted at it as well.

please enjoy the rest of your discussions, and know that in some way or another
you have done your part (whether good or bad) for the native americans. i
am open to responses through private e-mail, but if you plan to flame me, be
warned that in private e-mail, all is fair.

--marty

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date:         thu, 7 dec 1995 13:18:20 -0800
reply-to:     miranda detore <inxsive@u.washington.edu>
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from:         miranda detore <inxsive@u.washington.edu>
subject:      re: questions concerning next year's tour
x-to:         maggie poulos <me_poulos@acad.fandm.edu>
in-reply-to:  <v01530500ace92ac4cff3@[155.68.101.17]>

hello all,

as a person who is directly involved in ticketing for many major events,
i must say that this idea seems extremely complicated for the likes of
russel carter management. yes, they are slowly joining into the realms of
cyberspace, but it took them more than two months for them to send my fan
club merchandise!!! it came today, by the way. i think it would be a
great idea especially if i could participate, so that many of us could
have the seats we deserve instead of "semi-indigo fans" ending up in the
front row all the time! i say pass it on to him, (if you can get ahold
of anyone in the office!)

miranda

on mon, 4 dec 1995, maggie poulos wrote:

> hi all,
> i have a question about the next tour:  although nothing has been confirmed
> or even talked about yet, i was wondering: does russell carter offer mail
> order tickets?  my good friend is a die-hard phish fan and has the ability
> to mail order through the newsletter.   if this isn't offered, we should
> bring this up to russell, it would be a great help.  my friend and i had
> 2nd row seats to last friday night's phish show, so this system has been
> very beneficial to her.  it would really be an excellent addition to the
> next touring season.  let me know what you think.
> with dreams of immortality,
> maggie
> ps this would also cut out the annoying service charge that ticket master
> tacks on to every purchase....
>
>                       ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>                       & "gonna be a long crawl *   maggie e. poulos    &
>                       &    a high climb *     me_poulos@acad.fandm.edu &
>                       &  through this soul of mine * bkrbkr@aol.com    &
>                       &  and if i have to learn *                      &
>                       &   to live again, *              *              &
>                       &        i'll shed my skin *    ~m&f~            &
>                       &    start all over again" *      *corroborree*  &
>                       &              -michelle malone                  &
>                       ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
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date:         thu, 7 dec 1995 21:35:53 +0000
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x-to:         martha young - net access only <myoung@usra.edu>
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              <9512072047.aa29889@anamorphosis.usra.edu>

in message <9512072047.aa29889@anamorphosis.usra.edu>,
martha young - net access only <myoung@usra.edu> writes:
,
> the indigo girls' song jonas and ezekial. (emily used a part of the navajo
> beautyway chant at the end without giving credit as to where it came from)
> i am leaving this time because i chose to post a response to a message that
> no one wanted to hear.

which bit? are we talking about the studio version or the live one here? which
particular lyrics?

>
> i am disappointed in the fact that many of the people i have encountered seem
> to think that this list is supposed to be where you talk about what amy and
> emily wear, how much we want them and where they were last spotted (and what
> they looked like, etc.). i have to say that this sounds like a bunch of
> stalkers with a copy of tigerbeat magazine. it's fine to say once in
> a while that we like what they look like, but wouldn't it be nicer to have
> discussions on what their songs might mean, what makes them good, what are
> they doing now...without all of this stalker stuff?

like i said, this is a fan mail list.   anyway, none of it sounds creepy or
stalkerish to me.   maybe the excessive emily's hairdo talk after the letterman
show indicated that it wasn't that good a show (i didn't see it, so i wouldn't
know, but i read about a woman who loved dylan's music so much she saw him every
time he came to london, and one time she could only remark that he was wearing an
interesting pair of shoes ... ).   as for a discussion about what their songs might
mean ... haven't you read the posts about a "study" of a song by each writer?

<snip>
> i will not apologize to anyone for speaking up.  i will not feel guilty for
> having an opinion on an issue that no one else likes.  i will not continue
> to defend the fact that i have now been force fed the christian right (which
> is
> neither) until i am ill.  i will not take back anything i have said that has
> caused someone to have to think that they are less than perfect.  i will no
> longer be told that my responses to a message someone sends me are snide
> remarks when the message being responded to is full of ignorance and
> childish whimpering.

which post in particular? "full of ignorance and childish whimpering" in whose
opinion?

>
> > maybe you should try another group, and endure the
> > constant flamewars which turn up on public groups and probably other lists
> as
> > well.   we are very lucky not to have the idiots which plague some of the
> > other groups (particularly public ones).
>
> it is messages like this one that make me not want any part of this list.
> the person who posted it will surely remember this one.  perhaps that person
> should remember that this is a public list as well, and that to assume that
> there won't be or shouldn't be any flamewars on here is *ig*norant.  and the
> moment that it was decided that i was an idiot is were you went wrong...don't
> assume that you are better than i because you say so.

actually this isn't a public list, because you can't simply type in an url or an
irc channel name and get what's on it.   by 'public' i meant usenet groups which
are absolutely chock full of idiots.   have you read, for instance, alt.activism.
death-penalty?   they've got a particularly obnoxious idiot on there who
persistently calls everyone who opposes his views a wimp, a "bed-wetting peta
moron" and even a faggot.   (he's pro-dp as you might expect.)   then there's
alt.religion.islam (and all the other religious groups for that matter) which every
so often gets a post simply insulting some religious figure like muhammad or jesus,
which then results in a three-month- long thread which has gone way off the subject
by the time it gets to its end.   we don't have flame baits, we don't have spams
either.   this group has had civilised discussions, such as the one on auction
sharks, "women's music" sections in record stores, the sexism in the bible to name
the most recent;  and anyway, a heated discussion doesn't have to be a flame war.
in the 3 months i've been on the list i've only received 2 messages which could be
seen as a flame.

and anyway, no-one called you an idiot, i certainly didn't anyway. looks like you
just read it that way. or read that into it.

<snip>

,> i will always listen to the indigo girls and enjoy them. i understand now
> why amy and emily are so disgusted at this mailing list. if i were a musicia
> n
> and i knew that there was a list like this, i would be disgusted at it as wel
> l.

so where did you read this then? what are they disgusted about - the "stalker"
mentality, as you call it, or the "ignorance and childish whimpering" (again, as
you call it)?

mat
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since i have to pick one song...i'm going to pick blood and fire, cause
that's me all over.  i'm no good at relationships and there's a line
about leaving my cuts leaving my burns hoping i'd learn.  i don't learn
from my mistakes too well.  i'm usually too closed off from my emotions
to be good at communicating and it has driven a couple people away.
"i am looking for someone who can take as much as i give, give back as
much as i need and they still have the will to live.."  i tend to drive
people crazy and not in the good way. =)  and then, "i am intense, i am
in need, i am in pain, i'm in love."  yep, that's me.  me all over.

oh yeah...another one who loves "ghost" whooo-weee...

alexis

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{snip}
> i am disappointed in the fact that many of the people i have encountered seem
> to think that this list is supposed to be where you talk about what amy and
> emily wear, how much we want them and where they were last spotted (and what
> they looked like, etc.).  i have to say that this sounds like a bunch of
> stalkers with a copy of tigerbeat magazine.  it's fine to say once in
> a while that we like what they look like, but wouldn't it be nicer to have
> discussions on what their songs might mean, what makes them good, what are
> they doing now...without all of this stalker stuff?
well.  the sort of thing that you're talking about is {i assume} about
the letterman discussion.
1) how rude of us to say whether or not we liked the blue glasses.  {i
didn't see the performance, and don't remember who actually had them
on.}  i personally think that talking about the clothing that they were
wearing is fine.  someone mentioned that they liked the glasses, someone
said they didn't.  there's only so much that you can say about a song
that it appears all of us like and have been listening to almost
constantly on 1200 curfews ;).  had they played something old or a different
cover song, we all would have been buzzing about the surprise song.
2) "stalker"?  now, i haven't been paying *that* close attention to the
list lately {it's finals time here}, but i don't think that i've seen any
posts saying "hey, where do a&e live, i'd like to watch them in the
shower" or anything even *remotely* related to that.  right now, after
the tour, after the release of swamp ophelia and 1200 curfews, the two of
them have went back to their normal lives, and are rather quiet.  the
letterman performance that we were just treated to may well be our last
glimpse of them until newport {or new orleans?}.  if you recall, on the
last tour, everyone posted a setlist and other assorted notes,
sometimes including what they had been wearing {"those cute overalls" or
whatever}.  i don't remember anyone complaining about that.  it's just that
this time most of the list was watching, so instead of one person posting
that sort of thing, it was 'most everyone posting it.  granted, it got a
bit much, but everyone wanted to express their opinion about it.  {it
*was*, after all, going to be the last show for awhile.}  stalking?
no.  fans who are preparing themselves for a long haul without any
shows?  yes.

{snip}
> i will not apologize to anyone for speaking up.  i will not feel guilty for
> having an opinion on an issue that no one else likes.  i will not continue
> to defend the fact that i have now been force fed the christian right (which is
> neither) until i am ill.  i will not take back anything i have said that has
> caused someone to have to think that they are less than perfect.  i will no
> longer be told that my responses to a message someone sends me are snide
> remarks when the message being responded to is full of ignorance and
> childish whimpering.
but couldn't you say that this message is in and of itself "childish
whimpering"?  your "force fed" comment could well be construed as such.

> > maybe you should try another group, and endure the
> > constant flamewars which turn up on public groups and probably other lists as
> > well.   we are very lucky not to have the idiots which plague some of the
> > other groups (particularly public ones).
>
> it is messages like this one that make me not want any part of this list.
> the person who posted it will surely remember this one.  perhaps that person
> should remember that this is a public list as well, and that to assume that
> there won't be or shouldn't be any flamewars on here is *ig*norant.  and the
> moment that it was decided that i was an idiot is were you went wrong...don't
> assume that you are better than i because you say so.
so you expect us to have to sit through a flamewar between just a few
people who don't agree?  and flamewars should even be *expected*?  and
that anyone who doesn't think that they should have to sit through a
flamewar is "*ig*norant"?  i don't like watching flame wars, so i am
somehow less of an ig fan?  that's the sort of thing i got out of the
emphasis you used.
i think that most of us "assume" that the folks on this list are civil
enough to either stop the flamewar period, or take it to private
email.  does this make me less of an ig fan to think something like that?
for the most part, the folks on here are very tolerant.  flamewars don't
tend to last all that long, just because either the folks involved agree
to disagree, or the rest of us get sick of watching a disagreement over a
song {or whatever} turn into something personal.
i think that the intent of the original poster was that most of the folks
here are not interested in watching a couple of folks roast each other
constantly on the list.  i may well be wrong, but that's the idea that i
got out of it.

> i will always listen to the indigo girls and enjoy them.  i understand now
> why amy and emily are so disgusted at this mailing list.  if i were a musician
> and i knew that there was a list like this, i would be disgusted at it as
> well.
that's a pot-shot if i've ever heard one.  let's see what i've seen
recently on the list:
1) requests for guitar chords.
2) rdr new year's party announcements.
3) various adverts for various things.
4) the thread about what song means the most to you right now.
5) native american christmas carol thread.

hmm.  so.  (1), (2), and (3) were info sorts of things.
(4) was just us talking, essentially ;) .  talking about how much their
songs mean to us.  is this sort of thing wrong for the list?
(5) could all too easily turn into a flamewar.

> please enjoy the rest of your discussions, and know that in some way or another
> you have done your part (whether good or bad) for the native americans. i
> am open to responses through private e-mail, but if you plan to flame me, be
> warned that in private e-mail, all is fair.
we will enjoy our discussions, but thanks for the permission. ;)
as for your native american comment, again, that sounds suspiciously like
another pot-shot. how have *any* of us done anything "bad" via this list?
again, i may have missed something, but i doubt it.

nadyne.
{who's wearing her ig-list shirt right now, but don't talk about it! ;) }

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in an earlier post, i stated that the existence of a man named jesus from
nazareth was irrefutable.  perhaps my remark was too one-sided. what i meant
(and i'm not sure why i didn't just say it this way) is:  the proof of jesus's
existence goes beyond the bible, and for many historical scholars, there is
enough of this evidence to prove he did indeed exist.  i guess a certain
amount of doubt always exists.  of course, you can't even prove _i_ exist
without a doubt.  my point was, the argument goes beyond whether jesus does
exists--it questions  who he was/is to you.  sorry if all this is beating a dead
horse, but i just wanted to clarify.  thanks.

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                                                illumine....."
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i think that i would have to say it's a tie between blood and fire ....
and fugitive. i think that those two songs plus all the rest of them are
the ones that relate to my life the most.

sorry if this has already been answered...

who's handwriting is on the front of the cds on 1200curfews??

tangled up in the girls,

jamie

"i don't care, cause sometimes, i hear my voice and it's been
silent all these years" -tori amos

>but lately it is just the opposite.  you said that you've been on this list 3
>months, you haven't really even begun to see all that gets talked about.
as far
>as only recieving 2 flames, now you can say you've had 3.  a heated discussion
>doesn't have to become a flame war, but on this list it invariably does.  look
>at the discussion on sexism in the bible.  dory was flamed so much she chose
>to unsubscribe.  she may have come back but the initial flames don't go away.

well, maybe she's got a point. maybe we do have flame bait after all.
every single post i or anyone else have put up here and she still doesn't
change her arrogant little tune or even admit she might have misinterpreted
the posts. i suggest we stop replying to her.

mat
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subject:      nigc jackopierce and wakeland

it's wrong for me to assume all y'all have the same musical tastes as me
just because we  all dig a & e, but here's some groovy bands.
jackopierce is sort of a male-indigo duo--acoustic and mellow, with a
tinge of blues.  their songs don't have the depth or angst that ig do,
but they groove nonethless.  check em out.
they played in lawrence last week with wakeland, another great band who
is out of norman, ok.  they aren't comparable to ig or jp, but they are
fun to listen to.

that's all.
--mike

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subject:      re: 1200 curfews promo posters

> hi all,
>
> i came into a few *mint* copies of the 1200 curfews promo poster and i
> thought i'd offer them up for sale to the list.  they are 24 x 36, and
> are the photos of a&e from the inside front cover of 1200 curfews (the
> ones with emily playing the big orange electric and amy jumping in
> mid-air).
>
> they are really beautiful -- done in sepia tones with "indigo girls" and
> "1200 curfews" written across the top and bottom in that funky red
> scrawl.  they're on pretty heavy stock paper, too -- not flimsy at all.
>
> i'm asking $10 each + $5 postage (in u.s.) for the tubes and shipping --
> $15 total.
>
> disclaimer: before people potentially start ragging on me for
> "commercializing" let me be the first to say that it's very likely that
> you might be able to find these for less either in goldmine or at your
> local record store.  i'm merely offering an alternative...

ok, i read the disclaimer (potentially???), you're still a money monger.
someone gives you something for free, and you use it to make money off of
your fellow fans (sure can't use the word friends)

mark
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matthew j smith wrote:
>
>well, maybe she's got a point. maybe we do have flame bait after all.
>every single post i or anyone else have put up here and she still doesn't
>change her arrogant little tune or even admit she might have misinterpreted
>the posts. i suggest we stop replying to her.
>
>mat
>mts5@aber.ac.uk

well, excuse me matthew, but if anyone is arrogant around here it's you!!!!
(sorry folks, i've managed to resist saying this for the past few weeks)

maggie

may or may not be of interest, someone sent me a photocopy of a sheet put
out by epic in support of 1200 curfews. it lists the recording locations
for each track, for the last one on the second disk it lists the title as
'go go go' and adds 'uncredited last cut - won't be on any art'.

carolyn

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              95 01:18:20 pm

hey....
what about every ig fan who isn't online and who is anybody to judge who or
who isn't a "big ig fan"...i dunno, it seems the people who get front row
tickets to good shows (like any rem show this tour) got them from scalpers
or had inside connections...i just saw ani at the orpheum and tickets were
hard to come by (i decided to buy cheap tixs cuz it cost alot to travel to
the show)...there are often exceptions, i saw the ig's from oh sixth row in
april at dartmorth and the person in front row center (hi piep!!) had
"gotten two of the last three tickets available" (funny so did i)
i have fun no matter where i sit, (but *i* should have been front row for
rem, dammit!!!!!!)
8^)
mike r.

ps. going to see ellis paul free in less than a hour ... i'm psyched!

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>>>again, i may have missed something, but i doubt it.
>>>
>>>nadyne.

yeah, well nadyne, i reckon you've missed quite a bit....

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subject:      my life experience-approrpriate song, or whatever.

i have been reading touching and often melodramatic interpretations of
indigo girls' songs since i first joined this list 2 years ago. now it's
my turn, i guess.

i'd have to say "watershed" totally and completely sums up my short-lived
life--it's an awesome song, musically, as well--by far my favorite.
life is full of choices--that's all it is, really.  from friends to
colleges to jobs to life-partners, we choose daily.
no matter how many choices i make and how well i set my life out to run
as-planned, it never works out how i imagined it to.  sometimes this is
good, and sometimes this is really, really bad.
however, as i continue to make choices, knowing in my heart that they
really don't amount to what i want them to, i have to remember that
everyone's in the same boat, and so is life:
"you can stand there and agonize tll your agony's your heaviest load."  i
can't afford to freak out at every choice--i have enough baggage as it is.
"you'll never fly as the crow flies, get used to a country mile.  when
you're learning to face the path at your pace, every choice is worth your
while."
this sentence keeps me going, no matter what bullshit i encounter along
the way...it can lso be interpreted so many ways, that if i ever end up
in jail (which i never plan to do), i'll keep myself busy just analyzing
it.  i can't be perfect--i'm only human.  life ain't a bed of roses, but
it's pretty great, as emily reminds me time and time again.
"every five years or so i look back on my life and i have a good laugh."
five years?  more like five months!  i love looking back...it's really
all we got, ya know..the past.

"every step you take becomes a twist of fate."

enough said. sorry for the sarcastic beginning, but i feel better now.
sorry for the length--i hate long messages like this...but, i can't go
back a change the past (now haven't we all learned something?)

--mike

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oops! i was totally wrong, thinking of another animal, thinking of
another song. sorry!

>i don't have the original post, but someone asked why there were so many
>mentions of dogs in the song reunion.
>
>well, in watershed (the video) amy explains what inspired her to write
>the song. apparently, she had seen a bunch of boys on a hill set a dog
>on fire, and this changed her whole perspective on life.
>
>can someone elaborate?

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>>>>> "martha" == martha young <- net access only <myoung@usra.edu>> writes:

    martha> i will always listen to the indigo girls and enjoy them.  i
    martha> understand now why amy and emily are so disgusted at this
    martha> mailing list.  if i were a musician and i knew that there
    martha> was a list like this, i would be disgusted at it as well.

where was it said that amy and emily were disgusted at this mailing
list?

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on thu, 7 dec 1995, the babesther wrote:

> i don't have the original post, but someone asked why there were so many
> mentions of dogs in the song reunion.
>
> well, in watershed (the video) amy explains what inspired her to write
> the song. apparently, she had seen a bunch of boys on a hill set a dog
> on fire, and this changed her whole perspective on life.
>
wasn't it cats??? i'm not sure...

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date:         thu, 7 dec 1995 20:17:55 est
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from:         lisa grandjean <lisag@charity.trinityvt.edu>
organization: trinity college of vermont
subject:      re: nyc help...(nigc)
x-to:         mr neil hunt <ph21nh@surrey.ac.uk>, ph21nh@surrey.ac.uk

the marriott is always a nice choice!
lisa

hey all, how's everyone doing?  i know for some of us, the semester stress
is running rampant, and things are getting rather hairy here in igland.
but, i think the thread is a good idea, bringing the list around to
something strongly a and e based.
hmm, well, mystery fits one of my long time relationships really well too,
sometimes it amazes me that the words didn't come from my own head and
heart.    but fugitive really hits home, and when it comes on, sometimes i
just need to sit, and take it all in.  of course, not the aspect of fame
involved, but the concept of keeping something so intensely a part of you,
hidden deep inside, out of fear or any other reason.  amy's words just reach
out, and push me a little further each time.  it's what they're all about i
think, accepting what you are, and what you aren't as well.  anyway, my
little contribution.  good luck to the rest of you students out there,
procrastinating like i am right now.
erica
"got to learn to respect, what we don't understand.  we are fortunate ones,
fortunate ones, i swear..i was aching with freedom, kissing the damned, i
said remember this, as how it should be." amy

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date:         thu, 7 dec 1995 21:22:50 edt
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this mesage probably will not be popular, will not be recieved
warmly, and most likely will be flamed at. if you're not in a very
receptive mood, delete now!

i'm new to this thing of discussion lists.  i've only been familiar
with email since last march, and i have only been apart of a list for
about two months now.  i have, however, noticed things.  because
these lists have no physical or national barriers, there are a lot of
different people on them.  sometimes one person writes something that
another person disagrees with.  if that person is strong or
opinionated, they will reply as such.  then the first person gets
offended or replies in the like.  pretty soon there is an all out
disagreement going on.  *gasp*  a _disagreement_!  on a list of this
type where there are people from diferent cultures and backgrounds!
who would have thought?  then, the flamer, or the flamee, or even a
bystander who gets sucked into it, leaves the list.  in doing so,
they write a lovely epistle about how un-receptive, and un-pc the
group is or some such blather.  things tone down for a while, but it
starts all over again sometime.

it really doesn't matter!!  c'mon, people!  words make you think and
feel, don't throw them around uselessly!  i've been doing that a lot
lately, and i'm sorry.  but it doesn't matter.

so, let's go back to talking about this song or that, and never mind
when we disagree. it's going to happen, and i just hope i'm not a
part of it again. i hate it when people leave.

anna

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
  "the body consists of three parts - the brainium, the
  borax and the abdominable cavity.  the brainium contains
  the brain, the borax contains the heart and lungs, and the
  abdominable cavity contains the bowls, of which there are
  five - a, e, i, o, and u."
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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date:         thu, 7 dec 1995 21:03:10 -0600
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subject:      absolutely nigc:100 ways to phone in a pizza order.

another list to chuckle to, and take minds off finals/only __ shopping
days left 'til christmas/fill in the blank ______ (that's a blank...).

rebecca.

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you didn't ask for it, but here it is anyway. get out your phone and your
inborn liking for pizza, because i proudly present:

100 zany ways to phone in a pizza order

1. if using a touch-tone, press random numbers while ordering. ask the
person taking the order to stop doing that.

2. make up a charge-card name. ask if they accept it.

3. use cb lingo where applicable.

4. order a big mac extra value meal.

5. terminate the call with, "remember, we never had this conversation."

6. tell the order taker a rival pizza place is on the other line and
you're going with the lowest bidder.

7. give them your address, exclaim "oh, just surprise me!" and hang up.

8. answer their questions with questions.

9. in your breathiest voice, tell them to cut the crap about nutrition
and ask if they have something outlandishly sinful.

10. use these bonus words in the conversation: robust free-spirited
cost-efficient ukrainian puce.

11. tell them to put the crust on top this time.

12. sing the order to the tune of your favorite song from metallica's
"master of puppets" cd.

13. do not name the toppings you want. rather, spell them out.

14. put an extra edge in your voice when you say "crazy bread."

15. stutter on the letter "p."

16. ask for a deal available somewhere else. (e.g. if phoning domino's,
ask for a cheeser! cheeser!)

17. ask what the order taker is wearing.

18. crack your knuckles into the receiver.

19. say hello, act stunned for five seconds, then behave as if they
called you.

20. rattle off your order with a determined air. if they ask if you
would like drinks with that, panic and become disoriented.

21. tell the order taker you're depressed. get him/her to cheer you up.

22. make a list of exotic cuisines. order them as toppings.

23. change your accent every three seconds.

24. order 52 pepperoni slices prepared in a fractal pattern as follows
from an equation you are about to dictate. ask if they need paper.

25. act like you know the order taker from somewhere. say "bed-wetters'
camp, right?"

26. start your order with "i'd like. . . ". a little later, slap
yourself and say "no, i don't."

27. if they repeat the order to make sure they have it right, say "ok.
that'll be $10.99; please pull up to the first window."

28. rent a pizza.

29. order while using an electric knife sharpener.

30. ask if you get to keep the pizza box. when they say yes, heave a
sigh of relief.

31. put the accent on the last syllable of "pepperoni." use the long "i"
sound.

32. have your pizza "shaken, not stirred."

33. say "are you sure this is (pizza place)? when they say yes, say
"well, so is this! you've got some explaining to do!" when they finally
offer proof that it is, in fact, (pizza place), start to cry and ask, "do
you know what it's like to be lied to?"

34. move the mouthpiece farther and farther from your lips as you speak.
when the call ends, jerk the mouthpiece back into place and scream goodbye
at the top of your lungs.

35. tell them to double-check to make sure your pizza is, in fact, dead.

36. imitate the order taker's voice.

37. eliminate verbs from your speech.

38. when they say "what would you like?" say, "huh? oh, you mean now."

39. play a sitar in the background.

40. say it's your anniversary and you'd appreciate if the deliverer hid
behind some furniture waiting for your spouse to arrive so you can
surprise him/her.

41. amuse the order taker with little-known facts about country music.

42. ask to see a menu.

43. quote carl sandberg.

44. say you'll be able to pay for this when the movie people call back.

45. ask if they have any idea what is at stake with this pizza.

46. ask what topping goes best with well-aged chardonnay.

47. belch directly into the mouthpiece; then tell your dog it should be
ashamed.

48. order a slice, not a whole pizza.

49. shout "i'm through with men/women! send me a dozen of your best,
gaston!"

50. doze off in the middle of the order, catch yourself, and say "where
was i? who are you?"

51. psychoanalyze the order taker.

52. ask what their phone number is. hang up, call them, and ask again.

53. order two toppings, then say, "no, they'll start fighting."

54. learn to properly pronounce the ingredients of a twinkie. ask that
these be included in the pizza.

55. call to complain about service. later, call to say you were drunk
and didn't mean it.

56. tell the order taker to tell the manager to tell his supervisor he's
fired.

57. report a petty theft to the order taker.

58. use expletives like "great caesar's ghost" and "jesus joseph and mary
in tinsel town."

59. ask for the guy who took your order last time.

60. if he/she suggests anything, adamantly declare, "i shall not be
swayed by your sweet words."

61. wonder aloud if you should trim those nose hairs.

62. try to talk while drinking something.

63. start the conversation with "my call to (pizza place), take 1, and. .
. action!"

64. ask if the pizza is organically grown.

65. ask about pizza maintenance and repair.

66. be vague in your order.

67. when they repeat your order, say "again, with a little more oomph
this time."

68. if using a touch-tone press 9-1-1 every 5 seconds throughout the order.

69. after ordering, say "i wonder what this button on the phone does."
simulate a cutoff.

70. start the conversation by reciting today's date and saying, "this may
be my last entry."

71. state your order and say that's as far as this relationship is going
to get.

72. ask if they're familiar with the term "spanking a pizza." make up a
description to go with the term. ask that this be done to your pizza.

73. say "kssssssssssssssht" rather loudly into the phone. ask if they
felt that.

74. detect the order taker's psychic aura. use it to your advantage.

75. when listing toppings you want on your pizza, include another pizza.

76. learn to play a blues riff on the harmonica. stop talking at regular
intervals to play it.

77. ask if they would like to sample your pizza. suggest an even trade.

78. perfect a celebrity's voice. stress that you won't take any crap
from some two-bit can't-hack-it pimple-faced gofer.

79. put them on hold.

80. teach the order taker a scret code. use the code on all subsequent
orders.

81. mumble, "there's a bomb under your seat." when asked to repeat that,
say "i said 'sauce smothered with meat'."

82. make the first topping you order mushrooms. make the last thing you
say "no mushrooms, please." hang up before they have a chance to respond.

83. when the order is repeated, change it slightly. when it is repeated
again, change it again. on the third time, say "you just don't get it, do you?"

84. when you'ge given the price, say "ooooooo, that sounds complicated.
i hate math."

85. haggle.

86. order a one-inch pizza.

87. order term life insurance.

88. when they say "will that be all?", snicker and say "we'll find out,
won't we?"

89. order with a speak-n-spell where applicable.

90. ask how many dolphins were killed to make that pizza.

91. while on the phone, fake entering puberty. fluctuate pitch often;
act embarrassed.

92. engage in some serious swapping.

93. dance all around the word "pizza." avoid saying it at all costs. if
he/she says it, say "please don't mention that word."

94. have a movie with a good car chase scene playing loudly in the
background. yell "ow!" when a bullet is fired.

95. if he/she suggests a side order, ask why he/she is punishing you.

96. ask if the pizza has had its shots.

97. order a steamed pizza.

98. get taker's name. later, call exactly on the hour to say, "this is
your (time of day) wake-up call, so-and-so." hang up.

99. offer to pay for the pizza with a public flogging.

if any of the above practices are rejected by the order taker, 100. say,
in your best pouty voice, "last guy let me do it."

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date:         thu, 7 dec 1995 19:38:41 pst
reply-to:     monique barbanson <mhb@entelechy.com>
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>i am disappointed in the fact that many of the people i have encountered seem
>to think that this list is supposed to be where you talk about what amy and
>emily wear, how much we want them and where they were last spotted (and what
>they looked like, etc.). i have to say that this sounds like a bunch of
>stalkers with a copy of tigerbeat magazine. it's fine to say once in
>a while that we like what they look like, but wouldn't it be nicer to have
>discussions on what their songs might mean, what makes them good, what are
>they doing now...

two things:
1. this is a public forum. it would probably be a good idea not to take any
flames or even rebuttals personally. people tend to be less inhibited in
their rebuttals over email than they would be face to face, so you have to
factor that in before taking anything personally. keeping this in
perspective will help us avoid flinging 'childish whimperings' at each
other.

2. if you are burning to share some thoughts about what a&e's songs mean,
or what you enjoy about their music, please do. you might start a thread to
your liking. :-)

cheers,

monique
ps: just read anna's post on the subject. it is right on.

mhb@entelechy.com

hello people,

this is the one and only time that i'm going to publicly engage the
people who flamed me about my poster sale, because like i said, i've got
a huge paper to write, and frankly, i just don't have the time or the
inclination to continue to participate in this nastiness. however, i do
think that, in the face of personal attacks, i have the right to defend
myself.

first, michael responds to my post by *assuming* that i got these posters
free, as he did.  then, mark picks up on this erroneous assumption and
flames me again, accusing me of getting "something for free" and then
selling it to the list.  the fact is i spent my time and effort looking
for them, paid good money for them, and was simply offering to send them
to people for a price, if, *and only if*, they were interested.  for my
effort, i've been called all sorts of cruel names and i've had people who
don't know squat about me publicly defame my character.

as many people here can attest, i've done a lot of nice things for
a lot of people on this list and they've done a lot of nice things for me.
i've always been upfront with the people that i'm dealing with. i
thought that by letting people know where they could find these items on
their own, i would have avoided these criticisms.  i've had numerous
positive responses, but some of negative things people have said (both
publicly and privately) have hit *way* below the belt.  it's one thing not
to agree with someone and to tell them that, but it's quite another to throw
words around to intentionally hurt people.  personal attacks are
cruel and unnecessary and, in my opinion, say a lot more about the
character of the flamers than they do about the flamees.

but i have to admit that i'm getting some conflicting messages.  first i
hold an auction (that michael called over-priced, but i'll say it again
-- the seller has no control over how high the bids go in an auction).
i got flamed.  majorly flamed.  okay, so then the consensus on the list
seems to be that if you've got something to sell, you set a reasonable
price for it and then you offer it up to the list at that reasonable price.
so i did that, and then i got flamed again.  it seems that whatever i do,
i'm going to piss some people off.  and i guess i'll just have to live with
that.  but you're not fooling anybody by being a bully while speaking
self-righteously in the name of friendship and generosity.

to everyone who has written me supportive notes, thank you! i'll be
in touch asap!

peace y'all,
lori

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date:         fri, 8 dec 1995 00:36:28 -0500
reply-to:     cojehali@aol.com
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from:         "<connie lindell>" <cojehali@aol.com>
subject:      re: stones in amy's songs
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>"i'm coming home with a stone strapped onto my back
>i'm coming home with a burning hope turning all my blues to black
>i'm looking for a sacred hand to carve into my stone
>a ghost of comfort, angels breath to keep this life inside my chest"

i was thinking over these lines and the idea struck me - since the song
speaks of the "dreams of immortality", and knowing that amy herself has said
that she spends a lot of time thinking about death - that perhaps the "stone"
in the song refers to the burden of our own mortality - of knowing that we
will someday die. it sounds to me as if the "sacred hand" (to carve into my
stone) and the "angels breath" are references to finding immortality, i.e to
"keep this life inside my chest".....looking for a "ghost of comfort" in the
thought ("burning hope") that this might somehow be possible........just a
thought.

as for the other lines you mentioned:

>"there's more than one answer to these questions pointing me in a crooked
>line, the less i seek my source for some definitive
>the closer i am to fine"

i love these lyrics; to me they are so filled with meaning!  and there's
definitely "more than one answer" to this, but here's what i get from
it......we often spend a lot of time searching for "who we really are"; our
"true identity", our "source"....whether that means searching through
religions, relationships, careers or whatever. to use religion as an example,
there are many paths to take, each "right" for some and not for others, but
none necessarily "wrong" - and many different answers to the questions we ask
ourselves about our place in this world.  not only are there different
answers for different people, but there are different answers for us at
different times in our lives.  sometimes the questions we ask ourselves take
us on a winding and "crooked" path in search of the answers.  but "the less i
seek my source for some definitive"....the less i seek to "define" myself in
a set manner, the less i look for some *absolute*, and the more i accept that
i have many different aspects to my self that take me in several different
directions at different times in my life, the closer i am to being fine; to
accepting myself as i am.  so you see the more i seek to define these lyrics,
the more the explanation starts to get convoluted (move in a crooked line),
and ......the less i think about it, the less confused i get, so then i can
be "closer to fine"..... :)   (hmmm.   i really think a&e said it best!!)

>"what makes me think i could start clean slated, the hardest to learn was
the
>least complicated"

ok, i have some ideas about this one as well, but i'll give y'all a break for
now while i think over the simplest way to express them! :)

-connie

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date:         fri, 8 dec 1995 00:36:47 -0500
reply-to:     "kevin l. stamber" <stamber@ecn.purdue.edu>
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from:         "kevin l. stamber" <stamber@ecn.purdue.edu>
subject:      signing off for the holidays...
in-reply-to:  <199512080512.aaa22625@harbor.ecn.purdue.edu> from "automatic
              digest processor" at dec 8, 95 00:01:28 am

one of the unfortunate things about going home for
the holidays is that i have absolutely no computer
access for a few weeks -- makes me feel somewhat sightless,
somewhat deaf.  anyway, so as to prevent my mailbox from
having several thousand pieces upon my return (if my
account weren't terminated by the university as a result)
i'm going to signoff for a while.  be back early next year.
i don't post too often, preferring to read others' dialogues,
listening to talk about my fave duo.  i'll miss that.

to everyone -- have a pleasant holiday season, and thanks
for your words!

peace and understanding...

kevin

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stamber@ecn.purdue.edu |                               -- emily saliers

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date:         fri, 8 dec 1995 00:41:01 est
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in-reply-to:  your message of mon, 4 dec 1995 20:13:59 est

i've been on this list a really long time, not as long as some people, but
pretty long. i'd like to ask now, just to make sure: does anyone have
anything informative to say? just checking. flame away. on any other list
i would be the majority.
mc

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in-reply-to:  <951207225942_127950976@mail04.mail.aol.com> (cojehali@aol.com)

>"there's more than one answer to these questions pointing me in a crooked
>line, the less i seek my source for some definitive
>the closer i am to fine"

i think we should also consider the second definition of the word "fine"
in these lyrics. we're always looking for the source and exact meanings
of things, but the less we look for them, the closer we are to what's
definitive, i.e., "fine."

sorry this isn't very articulate, but you get my meaning, right?

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in-reply-to:  <cmm-ru.1.5.818401261.mryclrk@er7.rutgers.edu> (message from mary
              clark on fri, 8 dec 1995 00:41:01 est)

>>>>> "mary" == mary clark <mryclrk@eden.rutgers.edu> writes:

    mary> i've been on this list a really long time, not as long as some
    mary> people, but pretty long.  i'd like to ask now, just to make
    mary> sure: does anyone have anything informative to say?  just
    mary> checking.  flame away.  on any other list i would be the
    mary> majority.  mc

what's your definition of "informative?" about their lives, their
songs, their hairstyles, concerts, what?

just asking.

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subject:      baby, you're leaving...
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in-reply-to:  <199512080513.aaa24031@capitoline.cis.yale.edu>

i'm not even going to try to respond in detail to marty's going-away msg,
but i will say this...

it's really too bad that you chose to couch some really interesting, and
perhaps even important, information about native american history and
culture in such condescending and nasty terms. hence, i know i for one
really only remembered the anger and not the info. the facts are that
most american public schools really gloss over native american history
(if they cover it at all), at least when i was in school. you had a
wonderful opportunity to share your knowledge and experience, and
frankly, my dear, you blew it -- a 2x4 rarely works as a presentation and
teaching tool. did it somehow serve your purpose?

you're last msg screamed out for us to beg you to come back.  sorry, no
such luck.  you do what you want, i certainly won't lose any sleep over
it.  i certainly didn't appreciate the "if you respond to my msg, you'd
better be nice, or i'll...," ready-to-pick-a-fight tone.  or you'll
what?  beat me up on-line?  tell the world how horrible i am?  i think a
few people on this list already think that of me, so nothing lost there.
i'm not terribly impressed with your veiled threats.

since you're obviously so tight with amy&emily (since you know how
"disgusted" they are with this mailing list), please send them my love.

have a nice life, marty; i hope you can find some perspective in your
life someday -- you seem to be a really sad, angry and hateful person.

helena

mr>i've been on this list a really long time, not as long as some people, but
mr>pretty long. i'd like to ask now, just to make sure: does anyone have
mr>anything informative to say? just checking. flame away. on any other list
mr>i would be the majority.
mr>mc

define informative. ;)

indigo/dianne/tuesday's child

"if you want to know the secret behind a smile you;ve got to ask a
tuesday's child."

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>it really doesn't matter!! c'mon, people! words make you think and
>feel, don't throw them around uselessly!

bear with me; this is one more post on leaving the list. anna's eloquent
response reminds me of a recent article i read in which the author speculated
as to why there are so many rude car drivers out there. he compared the
behaviour of people behind the wheel of a car to those pushing a cart in a
grocery store. in the store we wait fairly patiently for someone in, say, the
cereal isle as he ponders the pros and cons of buying regular,
honey-nut or multi grain cheerios in the 300, 475 or 650 gram size. we would
never slam our cart into his, or cut him off at the corn flakes end of the
isle, or give them the finger while he agonized over a decision. but put the
same person in car and if he takes more than two seconds after the light's been
green to decide to turn left or right....well, i personally have been brought
to the brink of physical violence.

it is, i think, the anonymity and relative security of hiding behind a
wheel--or, in the case of this list, an e-mail address--that makes us think we
can get away with being rude to other people. and so we let fly with comments
that we would probably never say in person.

that's why i hope martha reconsiders her decision to leave the list, as, i
believe, dory has. if we offer an opinion in a public forum, we have to expect
others to do the same. and unfortunately sometimes things get nasty. but, we
wouldn't forfeit the car keys because some jerk on the road gave us the finger,
would we?

there are, in fact, very few legit reasons to leave this list, even
temporarily:

1. you think the half hour you spend daily reading these messages are better
spent striving for world peace.

2. lorindigo has sent you walking and you're at least 3 days from a town with
internet access.

3. who has time for lists? you're still in the cereal isle examining the
nutrition panel to see if the multi grain cheerios really are better for you
than the regular kind.

now, unless one of these reasons apply, i think everybody else has to stay!

shanta, who definitely prefers honey-nut <srohse@dafbbs.com>

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must everyone post a 30 page thesis explaining their departure from the
list? man, a simple goodbye would suffice!

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as i recall the most convincing evidence that jesus existed was his
revolutionary preaching: when someone strikes you, turn the other cheek.
he was the first one to come up with that idea and with so many people
signing off the list because of this thread. it's clear he was a rare
bird indeed; it's something for christians to think about.

peace,
liane

on thu, 7 dec 1995, amanda johnson ae-johnson@nwu.edu wrote:

> in an earlier post, i stated that the existence of a man named jesus from
> nazareth was irrefutable.  perhaps my remark was too one-sided. what i meant
> (and i'm not sure why i didn't just say it this way) is:  the proof of jesus's
> existence goes beyond the bible, and for many historical scholars, there is
> enough of this evidence to prove he did indeed exist.  i guess a certain
> amount of doubt always exists.  of course, you can't even prove _i_ exist
> without a doubt.  my point was, the argument goes beyond whether jesus does
> exists--it questions  who he was/is to you.  sorry if all this is beating a dead
> horse, but i just wanted to clarify.  thanks.
>
> ******************************************************************
> amanda johnson
> ae-johnson@nwu.edu
> northwestern university
>                                         "what is dark in me,
>                                                 illumine....."
>                                                     -milton
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date:         fri, 8 dec 1995 02:16:33 -0600
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from:         "w. scott whitlock" <whitlock@hiwaay.net>
subject:      re: why did the chickenman cross the road????

i have a friend who loves the girls as much as i do, but really hated
chickenman.  but after much pounding it into his head, he finally started
liking it.  anyway, i forwarded the whole of this thread to him, and he
wrote me back with some pretty cool reason the chickenman crossed the road.
take a look at them.  if you like them, credit him, if you don't, don't read
them.

btw, my friend's address if jeff gelbach <jeffg@hiwaay.net>

>
>to avoid being sent down the river...
>
>he was an activist who wanted a very short life...
>
>to bruise his heels on the swollen street...
>
>he doesn't care anymore... and he doesn't wanna find out what he left there
for.
>
>to get east and find his inner hemisphere... he was lonely that night.
>
>
>
"...the only people for me are the mad ones, the ones who are mad to live,
mad to talk, mad to be saved,...the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace
thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous roman candles exploding like
spiders across the stars and in the middle you see the blue centerlight pop
and everybody goes "awww!"

-jack kerouac, on the road

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from:         linda joanne napikoski <napikosk@chaph.usc.edu>
subject:      thanks for wounded knee info...

ok, kids, what up?! now that i have already turned in my paper analyzing
the media coverage of the aim 1973 wounded knee takeover, i sit down to
my email to find several messages about wounded knee and where to find
info, etc. etc. "you're a bit late for that!!!" (clue) well, no worries,
i just wanted to thank everyone who *did* respond to me back when i asked,
and i'm sorry i didn't ever privately thank y'all. i had fun chasing the
books down at borders, though. :)

btw, bravo to shanta, the cereal-lingering analogy, and the only three
reasons for leaving the list!!! :)

i remember a few months back when ctf got real nasty-like and eventually
died. :( apparently, we all go in cycles of being able to peacefully
co-exist, and then not being able, etc. crazy us. no clean slates here,
apparently. but my god, people, ease up. "try to love one another, right
now..." angry swirling cosmos do not a merry christmas make.

linda, strong enough for a man but ph balanced for a woman

"the heart and the mind on a parallel course,
never the two shall meet..." e. saliers

at 11:47 pm 12/7/95 -0500, lori wrote:

>to everyone who has written me supportive notes, thank you!
>i'll be in touch asap!

rotfl!!!

those must be the people who took the posters...

michael ;-)

i am leaving the list, but will still be working on the web site and can
still be reached at this email address. if any articles are posted to the
list that could be included in the web site, it would be really cool if
someone would forward them to me.

if i offer to dub any more tapes, i will probably send in an email from the
outside.

best wishes to you all -

carolyn

i was listening to van morrison last night and started
thinking about songs by other artists that i think ig
should cover.

three songs came to mind immediately:
1.  crazy love (van morrison)
2.  salisbury hill (peter gabriel)
3.  space cowboy (steve miller)

lauree

p.s. not the huron christmas carol :)

thought i would pass along this info on web sites related to the ken sarowiwa
tragedy...amnesty international's nigeria/kenya site, which includes a
section on saro-wiwa (http://www.best.com/~mlacabe/kenya.html); the urgent
case of the month (http://www.gatech.edu/amnesty/action.html); and earthlife
africa's tribute and call for action petition to boycott shell oil company
(http://www.gem.co.za/ela/ken.html). finally, nigeria.com
(http://www.nigeria.com/hy-nigeria/get/boards/ken.html) invites your comments
for its book of condolences.

p.s. that hy-nigeria may be all one word--it was at the end of a line and
it may have been hyphenated there but not in the http address.

peace, jude

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reply-to:     sheri stanley <sstanley@infinet.com>
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from:         sheri stanley <sstanley@infinet.com>
subject:      my thoughts re: discussions on the list, etc

well, i typically don't jump into discussions of this sort, not because i'm
afraid of being flamed or afraid of someone disagreeing with me, but because
it's usually a waste of time. however, i do want to express a few of my own
opinions regarding all the nonsense going on around here...

1. first of all...a correction: amy and emily are not disgusted with this
list, they simply don't want their personal lives discussed here, and i
believe the members of this list are very good about respecting that
request. i know this is how the indigo girls feel because amy personally
told one of my dearest friends to ask the list to please not get into the
personal stuff. so, i'm not guessing at how they feel about this list.

2. i do not appreciate being labeled as a "stalker with a teen-beat
magazine." i do not have such an attitude, nor have i ever seen the
"stalker" mentality around here, and how ridiculous to use such a strongly
offensive word to describe so many people who simply enjoy the great music
of the indigo girls. yes, we (including myself) get into some silly
discussions .....but so what? a sense of humor is a terrible thing to waste
:) the teen-beat generalization was not lost on me; i appreciate a good
metaphor now and then <g>. but by making that comment, the implication is
that the list is immature. i think this is an unfair assessment. there is a
very wide range of ages on this list and perhaps there are comments and
attitudes that appear that seem immature to some of us, but come on, we all
went through that phase and i personally don't think it was such a terrible
part of growing up. i mean i enjoyed my insane crush on helen reddy when i
was a teen <g> and i'm sure i said some incredibly immature things then, but
hey....that's life. so if i see something on the list that i think is
immature, i just smile and remember a previous, and now very funny, time in
my life.

3. this note is not a flame, nor is it saying that i don't want to read the
negative opinions expressed on the list. how boring the list would be if all
discussions were in the polly-anna vein. i enjoy the differences of opinion
and the various interpretations of the indigo girls' music.

finally, it is unfortunate that there are opinions, thoughts, words and
actions that exist is the world that hurt other people. it would be
wonderful to be able to eradicate ignorance and prejudice. i sincerely
believe the members of this list are good-hearted, intelligent people who
would never intentionally say anything to hurt any person or any particular
group of people. i know there are negative comments from time to time, but
we all have occasional flares of temper, but i don't believe the
individual(s) who post comments like that harbor any hatred or prejudice
toward the recipient of the comments. i think, if such an individual were on
this list that we would politely ask him/her to leave.

it's too bad that some people feel they need to leave the list. i think this
could all be worked out. for those of you who choose to leave, best wishes
to you.

as for the rest of us.....waddaya say we just "live-and-let-live," and try
to be nice to one another and try to respect one another?

and btw...if anyone spreads it around that i had a crush on helen
reddy.....i'll hafta kill ya! <g>

-sheri (sstanley@infinet.com)

in the nothing of my silence is a sad-eyed little girl
on a tightrope she is singing as she passes through this world.
-lucy kaplansky / the tide-

>have a nice life, marty; i hope you can find some perspective in your
>life someday -- you seem to be a really sad, angry and hateful person.

i continue to find it fascinating how after thousands of years (collectively)
of social interactions, people still seem incapable of seeing the hurt
behind the anger in others and responding appropriately with compassion
instead of with veiled hostility...so much for moral evolution. can anyone
feign surprise that there is so much pent up hostility that occasionally gets
vented with regard to native american issues...after all, that's essentially
what happened in this particular flame war...it's no good to have sensitivity
to native issues when you don't show sensitivity to the feelings of the
people to whom the issues are most directly relevant.

> since you're obviously so tight with amy&emily (since you know how
>"disgusted" they are with this mailing list), please send them my love.

for all the newbies on the list...historically, some people on the list
have had interchanges with a&e regarding the list in which they (ig) have
expressed opinions about the list which could reasonably be called
"disgust" or "hostility".  basically, i think that certain ig fellow-travelers
who have at various times subscribed to the list have kind of predisposed
them to believing that the list is populated by intrusive pinheads and while
this may be largely true, it is not the whole story :)  so basically, you
don't have to be an ig insider to have some knowledge as to their opinion
of the list.  sorry to undermine your comment :) recently, a&e have shown
themselves to be more net-receptive...so maybe at some point they'll be in
a position to decide for themselves.

lauree

>>have a nice life, marty; i hope you can find some perspective in your
>>life someday -- you seem to be a really sad, angry and hateful person.

(attribution cut off)

>i continue to find it fascinating how after thousands of years (collectively)
>of social interactions, people still seem incapable of seeing the hurt
>behind the anger in others and responding appropriately with compassion
>instead of with veiled hostility...so much for moral evolution. can anyone
>feign surprise that there is so much pent up hostility that occasionally gets
>vented with regard to native american issues...after all, that's essentially
>what happened in this particular flame war...it's no good to have sensitivity
>to native issues when you don't show sensitivity to the feelings of the
>people to whom the issues are most directly relevant.

>lauree

bingo.  that's the problem that's been happening here.  marty had *every
reason* to be offended when people began "explaining away" the atrocious
things that some missionaries did to the native american population.  yes,
she was angry - my sense was that it was righteous anger (probably because i
agree with her) at having to explain, yet again, that there's more to the
story than meets the eye and ear.  yes, her response had little to do with
the carol itself, but that doesn't mean it wasn't relevant to the
discussion.  if someone told me that my people's centuries of suffering
weren't important or relevant, i'd throw a fit, too. (actually, i have been
told that, but that's another nigc :-)  she answered from her heart and
soul, not necessarily from her head, and everyone is guilty of that at one
point or another.

and as far as the beauty quote at the end of jonas and ezekiel goes, its the
final words sung by emily while amy is singing "prophets in the graveyard":

now i walk in beauty
beauty is before me
beauty is behind me
above and below me
(or a variation of these lyrics - i'm pretty sure this is what emily is
singing, but the original words may be different)

yet another lurker heads back into the shadows to wait out yet another flame
war *sigh* (and when you come, as i do, from a "faith" grounded in the
belief that "there is no 'one true way'", this was a particularly painful
experience)

(and to the person who said that marty's post was the worst thing he has
ever seen, its fortunate you weren't around for the infamous "tea bag
incident" :-) and, no, i will *not* explain - sorry!!!!)

joan (another fan of tigerbeat!! :-)

                      joan_ferguson@harvard.edu
            harvard university library preservation office
"instead of loving your enemies,treat your friends a little better."
                      -edgar watson howe (1853-1937)

okay folks -

the list is getting a wee bit contentious of late, so i bring you glad
tidings of holiday cheer: it's time to re-post one of my favorite i-girl
missives. here is a humorous holiday epic featuring fabulous ig merchandise
that we'd all love to own.

happy reading everyone ... hope this is relevant enough ;-).

heidi

--------------------------------------------------------
from: i-girl <ig@nuacvm.acns.nwu.edu>
date: thu, 22 dec 94 14:18:53 cdt
subject: the one gift which i'd adore

need some last-minute gift ideas?  having trouble shopping for that special
indigo girls fan on your list?  well, fret no more, because for a very
limited time you can order any of the following delightful items, each
designed with the insatiable ig fan in mind.  please read on for
descriptions:

for the child in everyone, we offer adorable amy and emily action figures!
amy is ready to jam in her ripped jeans with embroidered jacket (jangling
beads and silver ring sold separately), while emily sports her trademark
overalls and a white t-shirt. each comes with six guitars tuned in weird
keys. amy's strings pre-broken at factory. (sorry, sara lee not available.)

hate getting up in the morning?  well you'll rise and shine cheerfully with
our new "first to praise the sun" _talking_ alarm clock!  forget those shrill
buzzing alarms.  let amy wake you up *gently* with her calm assertion:  "um,
you're actually supposed to get up now.  but do whatever you feel comfortable
with."

surprise your friends with a package of our homemade fat-free bran muffins.
they're so delicious! and they might be similar to muffins amy or emily
might have eaten once!

have you ever felt self-conscious at an ig show because you don't have "that
hair"?  well you can say goodbye to your insecurity with our exclusive
miracle wigs.  that's right. just slip one on before the next show, and watch
as you're instantly transformed!  you're sure to fit right in!  then
discreetly remove the wig afterwards, and no one but your date will be the
wiser.  you really can have "that hair"! in medium brown.  unisex.

been too happy lately?  need a good cry?  well, now there's "the very essence
of pain", a new compilation of the igs' most depressing songs.  let amy and
emily get you down with old heartbreakers like "hey jesus" and "blood and
fire", as well as newer ones like "fare thee well" and "ghost".  best of all,
the songs are carefully sequenced to *maximize* your feelings of emptiness
and despair.  you won't find a glimmer of hope here--no "watershed" or
"galileo" to diffuse your pain--just your favorite downers, back to back.
order several copies,  and share the agony with your friends!  coffee and
cigarettes not included.

well, those are the goods. unfortunately, however, the time during which
they were available for purchase was so very limited that it actually expired
just now. we regret the inconvenience.

-- from i-girl, who brings you glad tidings of great joy .... because "great
tidings of glad joy" just didn't make any sense..

belated happy birthday! have a festive week-end,

monique

mhb@entelechy.com

thanks for writing as you did to the list - i wanted to write in support of
marty but couldn't find the right words - you did. thanks

>and as far as the beauty quote at the end of jonas and ezekiel goes, its the
>final words sung by emily while amy is singing "prophets in the graveyard":
>
>now i walk in beauty
>beauty is before me
>beauty is behind me
>above and below me
>(or a variation of these lyrics - i'm pretty sure this is what emily is
>singing, but the original words may be different)

i realise here i run the serious risk of sounding like mat@aberdeen to whom
i have been quite rude, but the poetry collection the rattle bag, ed by
seamus heaney & ted hughes (faber & faber 1982) contains this:

        in beauty                               may i walk
        all day long                            may i walk
        through the returning seasons           may i walk
        beautifully will i possess again
        beautifully birds
        beautifully joyful birds
        on the trail marked with pollen         may i walk
        with grasshoppers about my feet         may i walk
        with dew about my feet                  may i walk
        with beauty                             may i walk
        with beauty before me                   may i walk
        with beauty behind me                   may i walk
        with beauty above me                    may i walk
        with beauty all around me               may i walk
        in old age, wandering on a trail of
                                        beauty,
                                        lively, may i walk
        it is finished in beauty
        it is finished in beauty
                                                anon
                from the navajo (trans. jerome k rothenberg)

it just so happened that tonight i was digging around in some big boxes of
stuff i haven't unpacked since coming out here three months ago and found a
stack of favourite poetry books and remembered this was in one of them.

>
the infamous "tea bag
>incident" :-) and, no, i will *not* explain - sorry!!!!)

you meanie! i'd love to hear about it

maggie

i'm very sorry but i seem to have misdirected a personal email to the list
by mistake
i suppose that serves me right for messing around at the keyboard
far too late into the night....or far too early into the morning

apologies to joan, marty, and.... i guess...mat@aberdeen :)

maggie

hi everyone,

there were so many responses to my poster post that i decided the fairest
way to do it would be to put all the names of people who responded in a
hat (so to speak) and then randomly draw names. some of you may not
think this was the best way... but, regardless, that's the way i've
chosen to do it.

so, i'm going to do the drawing on monday (after my paper is handed in)
and i'll be in touch with everyone again then.

btw, if you change your mind and decide you don't want one for any
reason, that's totally fine with me, just please let me know.

thanks again for your patience.

lori
a.k.a. cruella deville

p.s. i happen to think that writing to the fan club to ask that they
provide these posters is a good idea. i'd be much happier to give my
money to russell carter than to dealers.

p.p.s. some of you asked about c.o.d. i've never sent anything this way
before so i'm not quite familiar with how it works. if the people who
asked about it could clue me in to the specifics, i'll consider it.

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from:         stanley kulesza <stankul@ix.netcom.com>
subject:      tuesday's children--i figured it out

okay, last post about it.  i saw a commercial on tv for disneyland and
all their christmas celebration stuff and at the end of the commercial
they said something about a children's hospital and across the screen
it read "tuesday's children".  so if that helps anyone, ...i was
reading over the lyrics that carolyn or somebody sent, and maybe amy
was involved in some sort of volunteer program at a tuesday's children
hospital?  maybe?  amyrays-  have a great day---emily =)

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subject:      nigc-on my soapbox

hi everyone -
before yesterday's digest, i had thoughts of leaving (again) too due to what i
perceive as the horrible way some people have treated other people on this list
and the horrible way i felt inside when i read it.  i had originally joined the
list because i wanted up-to-date concert/tour info. and new cd info. and maybe
to learn more about other ig fans - who they are, what their interests are,
etc.  when my character was attacked after my bible and patriarchy comment, it
reminded me of the emotional and spiritual abuse i endured as a child.  now, at
32, i still do some "work" everyday to recover from this abuse and what i've
learned is that i don't have to stay in "unhealthy" situations.  i can leave
and leaving is fine.  it is not cowardly at all.  so i temporarily left the
list.  i have also learned that the world is basically a sick place and that
people are very scared.  scared of each other mainly.  for instance, i have
seen people on this list start their posts by apologizing for how they feel and
end their posts by apologizing for taking up too much time.  i believe that
people are entitled to their feelings and that they can take as much time and
bandwidth as they want, but others are entitled not to listen via the delete
button. it's such a powerful tool.  for instance, when the letterman stuff got
too trivial for me, the delete button was my best friend.

anyway, i came back after the bible stuff because i realized that the
individuals who said hurtful things must really be in a lot of emotional pain
and must not like themselves very much and are just projecting their
self-hatred on to me and are deserving of my pity and compassion.  they
probably find refuge from their pain in the almost total anonymity e-mail
provides as it allows them to take their anger out on total strangers when in
fact they should be lashing out at their parents, this incredibly unjust
society, or an old lover or whomever or whatever.  (on a side note:  this is
what scares me about the e-mail and the internet.  at some point in the future,
it seems we may all become holed up in our homes communicating to each other
through a cathode ray tube.  there will be no human contact.  no face to face.
just this screen.  it's scary.  i've learned that humans need other humans to
touch and hold and see in order to grow.  i was taught in bio. or somewhere,
maybe psych., that babies who aren't handled at birth grow up somehow deprived.
maybe those who attacked me weren't loved enough at birth or at any time.)

anyway, this is not to say to my former attackers that i like them or anything
of that nature.  i don't and i don't have to.  i just pity them and hope they
don't become politicians or religious leaders.  i just need to keep remembering
that when the comments start flying and people judging and criticizing me, that
they have no right to do that.  i don't know any of you personally.  i have
never met any of you and i have never even spoken to you on the phone.  you do
not know what i am like.  what my past was like, who i am now or what my dreams
and plans for the future are.  you can't even read my body language or my voice
intonations.  so who are you to judge me? (paraphrasing amanda)  hence, i need
to keep remembering that when the attacks come, that it's not me.  how could it
be?  how could some people i have never met begin to comment on me?  but it
still bothers me that we can be so vicious to each other.

so i decided that i am going to stay with this list for now. i know that the
igs said on the aol interview that they weren't coming out with a brand new cd
until 1997 (and i guess they will probably tour nationally then), so i could
unsubscribe for a year, but i won't because i need the exercise. i need this
list as a lesson on how not to take things personally.

if you haven't pressed the delete button by now, i give the mike over to you so
that you can totally dissect the above if you want.  i'm sure you will as you
will probably dissect me as well.  go ahead.  i don't really care.  if it makes
you feel better (which i'm sure it doesn't on some level) go ahead.  i can take
it.

-dory (doryd@tourolaw.edu)

remember that everyone you meet is afraid of something, loves something, and
has lost something. -life's little instruction calendar, volume ii, 1994.

(i'd quote the igs next, but since you love them as much as i do, just hum a
few bars of the most appropriate song, which is really all of their songs.)

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date:         fri, 8 dec 1995 13:20:35 -0500
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hey y'all,

no, i'm not going to post a 50-page thesis on why i need to sign off for
now, but i simply don't have time right now for various list members to
snipe at each other. i'll be back when my life is in a more stable state.

if you need to get a hold of me, e-mail me directly at the address below.
yes, i'll be here over the christmas holidays.

later,

greg kemp
gkemp@ces.clemson.edu
"would you trade your words for freedom?"

dear admin.

i need to know how to quit the list server for the users
gondesen@mbian.utmb.edu

thank you

-steve

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date:         fri, 8 dec 1995 13:42:44 -0500
reply-to:     brendan white <bw004d@uhura.cc.rochester.edu>
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subject:      what a welcome (nigc)

<sarcasm mode on>
what a nice warm welcome to this mailing list.  i sign on, and in one day, i
get maybe 2 real letters on topic, and the other 90% seems to be bitter
hatred and fallout.
<sarcasm mode off>
now, i have probobly missed some huge armagedon(sp?) or something, but isnt
this list supposed to celebrate the music of the girls?  i joined this list
(something i am questionining) because the music of the ig has touched me
in a way i cant even begin ti describe.  it has been a literal lifesaver to
me, helping me through the happiest an saddest of my life.  i came here to
celebrate this, and to perhaps find other people who feel the same way.
instead i find the bitter toungue's of people at war.  is what happened so
bad that we cant put it behind?  well, you can all tell me to shut up now.
i have no idea what did happen, and am proobly out of line.
tootles,
brendan

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bw004d@uhura.cc.rochester.edu
"strange how laughter looks like crying with no sound.. raindrops taste like
tears without the pain" -- queensryche

howdy all, i know this 'cover tunes ig should do' thread comes up every now
and then, but seems like we haven't had it in a while and i was actually
kind of hoping it would come back because the other day i too was listening
to van morrison (crazy and cosmic....) and 'moondance' came on and all i
could think was what a great song that'd be for amy to cover....hmmmm, maybe
ig should to a morrison tribute? any other ideas out there? i think we
could use a new thread to ease up some of the um, tension out there.....

peace, y'all
cylinda
ccp5913@acs.tamu.edu                  "everywhere i turn all the beauty
                                            just keeps shaking me"
                                                     - amy ray
lauree shampine wrote:
>i was listening to van morrison last night and started
>thinking about songs by other artists that i think ig
>should cover.
>
>three songs came to mind immediately:
>1.  crazy love (van morrison)
>2.  salisbury hill (peter gabriel)
>3.  space cowboy (steve miller)
>
>
>lauree

>to van morrison (crazy and cosmic....) and 'moondance' came on and all i
>could think was what a great song that'd be for amy to cover....hmmmm, maybe
>ig should to a morrison tribute? any other ideas out there? i think we

actually, at the end of a cover of summertime that ig performed at newport
in '91 or '92, amy sings part of 'moondance'...

and while we're talking about the van man, "stoned me" always reminds me
of "world falls"...and i think that would have been a great cover for
them about five years ago...

lauree

greetings y'all,
sorry, i should have put nigc in the subject line.
*peeking out from behind her super industrial-strength flame-retardant sheild*

so, umm, i knew that the holiday season could be a time of stress and short
tempers but... *duck, peeking out again* happy holidays to us, right?

*now chuckling*
ok, so now _i'm_ one of the only 3 legitimate reasons to leave this list. how
about this: if i made you get out and walk because of you're feelings on
romeo, and if you're considering leaving the list because you have too far to
walk, then i'll send a cab for you. (no, you still can't get into my car if
you don't like r&j, but i won't leave you totally stranded.) how's that? :) :)
*pointing enthusiastically at smileys to make sure they're noticed*

oh, that's right i was supposed to include some _real_ information...
well, i trimmed my fingernails last night. it's cold here. i have a lot of
work to do that i'm not doing because i'm trying to think of stupid things to
add to this informative list.

oh! i remember! yen and i went to see dar williams in bethlehem the other
night. if you've never seen this woman live, you're doing yourself a
disservice. she's _wonderful_. she'd be worth seeing just as a stand up comic,
but she's got a beautiful voice, she plays a really interesting guitar, and
her lyrics are amazing. moving, intriguing, clever, and rotfl funny all at the
same time.
_and_ i'll mention again that band de soliel is playing at lehigh university
_for_free_ saturday nite. i will be there, along with several other famous
list folk, so if you're in the area and want to meet up, lemme know, or just
show up and look for me. you'll know me, i'm just...you know...me.

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date:         fri, 8 dec 1995 11:37:27 -0800
reply-to:     dianne <dianne@uci.edu>
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from:         dianne <dianne@uci.edu>
subject:      re: poster situation
x-to:         "lori h. levy" <llevy03@emory.edu>
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>>>lori
a.k.a. cruella deville<<<<

lori?

you related to coupe?

hee hee o:>

---dianne

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date:         fri, 8 dec 1995 11:43:34 -0800
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from:         dianne <dianne@uci.edu>
subject:      re: why did the chickenman cross the road????
x-to:         "w. scott whitlock" <whitlock@hiwaay.net>
in-reply-to:  <2.2b8.32.19951208081633.0068bdcc@hiwaay.net>

scott?
if you really pounded chickenman into him, wouldn't a knuckle sammich be
better if he were a vegetarian? or, did you bread him first, then deep
fry him?

.... and why did the chickenman cross the road? well, the traffic on the
superinformation highway was flung into chaos with unsubscribe requests,
and he was trying to take cover.

---dianne, tryin' to not take life as seriously... it's only life, after
all. (-es, sorta)

on fri, 8 dec 1995, w. scott whitlock wrote:

> i have a friend who loves the girls as much as i do, but really hated
> chickenman.  but after much pounding it into his head, he finally started
> liking it.  anyway, i forwarded the whole of this thread to him, and he
> wrote me back with some pretty cool reason the chickenman crossed the road.
> take a look at them.  if you like them, credit him, if you don't, don't read
> them.
>
> btw, my friend's address if jeff gelbach <jeffg@hiwaay.net>
>
>
> >
> >to avoid being sent down the river...
> >
> >he was an activist who wanted a very short life...
> >
> >to bruise his heels on the swollen street...
> >
> >he doesn't care anymore... and he doesn't wanna find out what he left there
> for.
> >
> >to get east and find his inner hemisphere... he was lonely that night.
> >
> >
> >
> "...the only people for me are the mad ones, the ones who are mad to live,
> mad to talk, mad to be saved,...the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace
> thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous roman candles exploding like
> spiders across the stars and in the middle you see the blue centerlight pop
> and everybody goes "awww!"
>
> -jack kerouac, on the road
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date:         fri, 8 dec 1995 12:53:43 cst
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from:         "andrea l. flesch" <aflesch@mail.millikin.edu>
subject:      re: questions concerning next year's tour
x-to:         maggie poulos <me_poulos@acad.fandm.edu>

hi all,
i have a question about the next tour:  although nothing has been confirmed
or even talked about yet, i was wondering: does russell carter offer mail
order tickets?  my good friend is a die-hard phish fan and has the ability
to mail order through the newsletter.   if this isn't offered, we should
bring this up to russell, it would be a great help.  my friend and i had
2nd row seats to last friday night's phish show, so this system has been
very beneficial to her.  it would really be an excellent addition to the
next touring season.  let me know what you think.
with dreams of immortality,
maggie
ps this would also cut out the annoying service charge that ticket master
tacks on to every purchase....

                      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
                      & "gonna be a long crawl *   maggie e. poulos    &
                      &    a high climb *     me_poulos@acad.fandm.edu &
                      &  through this soul of mine * bkrbkr@aol.com    &
                      &  and if i have to learn *                      &
                      &   to live again, *              *              &
                      &        i'll shed my skin *    ~m&f~            &
                      &    start all over again" *      *corroborree*  &
                      &              -michelle malone                  &
                      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
i heartily agree with this idea!!  i am also a really big phish fan, and
  although i have not used the mail order thing (the shows i have gone to
  this service wasnt' available) it is very convienent and i have a lot of
  friends who get tickets this way all the time.  the ticket prices are very
  reasonable..usually around 21 or 22 bucks.
  to another day!
  andrea
  "you have you laugh at yourself, cause you'd cry your eyes out if you
  didn't" e.s.

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from:         "andrea l. flesch" <aflesch@mail.millikin.edu>
subject:      re: (nigc) christmas
x-to:         chickensoprano <creechal@cc.emu.edu>

today in chapel we sang a variety of non-traditional christian
christmas songs.  i was quite surprised to find one that had the
birth of christ from a native american perspective.  considering the
indigo girl's support of the native americans, i thought i might
share the words of this song with y'all.  i know that not every one
on the list is christian or celebrates christmas, but i thought you
may not mind considering the above.

anna

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

'twas in the moon of wintertime

'twas in the moon of wintertime,
when all the birds had fled,
the mighty gitchi manitou*
sent angel choirs instead.

before their light the stars grew dim,
and wond'ring hunters heard the hymn:
jesus your king is born,
jesus is born,
in excelsis gloria.

within a lodge of broken bark
the tender bage was found,
a ragged robe of rabit skin
enwrapped his beauty round.

but as the hunter braves drew nigh,
the angel song rang loud and high:
jesus your king is born,
jesus is born,
in excelsis gloria.

the earliest moon of wintertime
is not so round and fair
as was the ring of glory on
the helpless infant there.

the chiefs from far before him knelt
with gifts of fox and beaver pelt.
jesus your king is born,
jesus is born,
in excelsis gloria.

o children of the forest free,
o seed of manitou,
the holy child of earth and heav'n
is born today for you.

come kneel before the radiant boy
who brings you beauty, peace, and joy.
jesus your king is born,
jesus is born,
in excelsis gloria.

*translation: the mighty lord of all the world

text: st. jean de brebeuf, ca. 1643
music: french melody

  i don't want to get in a philosophical argument about this song...but i
  would just like to say that we sang this at my college in the big huge
  christmas fiasco we have called vespers...and it just happened to be my
  choir that sang it, and i was wondering if you were talking about the same
  song.  i don't know how authoritative it is, and i don't know if i agree
  with everything all of you are saying, but i would just like to share that
  it is a beautiful song.  guess i'm just biased being a music major and i
  pay more attention to that than anything.  the theme for our show was
  american and we started with this song.  our director called it the
  earliest christmas song written in america.
  to another day!
  andrea
  "you have to laugh at yourself, cause you'd cry your eyes out if you
  didn't." e.s.

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from:         chickensoprano <creechal@cc.emu.edu>
organization: eastern mennonite university
subject:      "you got a song out of it"

okay, i had to do a lot of thinking before i could determine just
which one of the ig songs i have heard has influenced my life.  well,
none really.  not at least in the life-changeing, oh i would have
done this, type influence.  i guess what i mean is that sometimes one
song or another will jump out at me and really speak to me.  the one
that has gotten me through some rough times as a reminder of better
times is "love will come to you".  yah, i know it's kinda sappy, but
it really is a great reminder.  like when you're friends are off in
another country and it seems like you're gong to be alone for the
rest of your life, don't worry, 'cause love will come.  somewhere,
somehow, you're not gonna be alone.  *sigh*  now i'll go and sit
through the last lecture i have for this semester. yay!!

anna

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date:         fri, 8 dec 1995 16:26:13 est
reply-to:     "christopher m. becker" <cmbecker@space.mit.edu>
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from:         "christopher m. becker" <cmbecker@space.mit.edu>
subject:      re: some *real* info (not really)
x-to:         lw01@lehigh.edu
in-reply-to:  <199512081934.oaa84435@ns2-1.cc.lehigh.edu>; from "lorinda
              wright" at dec 8, 95 2:34 pm

> oh! i remember! yen and i went to see dar williams in bethlehem the
> other night. if you've never seen this woman live, you're doing
> yourself a disservice. she's _wonderful_. she'd be worth seeing just
> as a stand up comic, but she's got a beautiful voice, she plays a
> really interesting guitar, and her lyrics are amazing. moving,
> intriguing, clever, and rotfl funny all at the same time.

i'll second this and also *shameless plug alert* metion her album _the
honesty room_ which is also excellent. standout tracks include "when
i was a boy" for lyrics and social content and "alleluia" for fun and
catchy music that you just have to dance to.

-- chris

        "but there she was one morning getting fitted for her wings
        leather boots magenta hair and saying nasty things.
        i'd say she was an angel but its stupid and its obvious
        i said you'll hate it here, cause we're the only onles like us.
        it's crypto-fascist mania, its silicon deleria.
        'yeah,' she said, 'you're right, but i like the cafeteriaaaaaa'"

-- dar williams
"alleluia"

lord, there are so many close-to-the-heart lyrics and messages in their
music. i imagine emily at her folks' kitchen table, feeling the angst of
relationships lost, friendships dog-eared with age and time's experience.
"ghost" is particularly endearing for obvious reasons - anyone who's
always going to have a spark of feeling for their first 'true' love will
feel something upon hearing that song.

the song that comes to mind for me right now is 'virginia woolf', mainly
because of the line: "you sent your soul like a message in a bottle to
me, and it was my rebirth"...

for me, personally, it reminds me of the cycle of life, and the closeness
that my 5 year old son and i share, a closeness and level of communication
we almost didn't have the opportunity to aspire to. in this lifetime,
his place in my life and the major
shake-ups i have experienced in the past several years all seem to be
pieces that fit together carefully, tightly, and show me the way to life.

""each life has its place""

--dianne

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date:         fri, 8 dec 1995 17:18:31 est
reply-to:     maritza d smith-romero <amtu23b@prodigy.com>
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from:         maritza d smith-romero <amtu23b@prodigy.com>
subject:      nigc:  leaving the list
x-to:         myoung@usra.edu

this is letter i sent to marty. iwanted to share it with you guys too.
i hope it makes you think.

hi marty...
i'm sorry to see that you're leaving the list. i've enjoyed the
things you've had to say in response to amanda's
xmas carol note. you had to time and energy and courage to say things
i felt but didn't have the time or energy
to put on the list.

let me tell you who i am so you'll understand why i share your
feelings.
my full name is maritza d'la torre smith-romero. i am, on my mothers
side, by anglo-american standards a 7th
generation american; child of former slaves, unacknowleged progeny of
white settlers, unknown daughter of
native americans; on my father's side i am, again by the standards of
the anglo-american, a first generation
american, he is a natralized citizen from panama. i have nothing of
my heritage save my name, my face, and my
skin, and what little i can gather from the histories written by
people with biases. i have no stories of the
creation, the fall from grace, the coming of the meshia, from a
people who love me. what i do have are
those same stories from a people who thought it appropriate to
enslave and rape my ancestors because they
where not white; what i do have are those same stories from a poeple
who teach that i am unattractive and of
limited intelligence because my skin is brown. i refuse to embrace
the stroies from a people who do not love
me and who think me ugly and stupid because i am not like them. it is
from this perspective that i witness cultural
imperialism. with regard to cultural imperialism, because of how it
impacts individual people, there is no room
for correctness, no room for tact, only room to address the pain
caused and have acknowleged. not
understood, acknowleged.

i love and enjoy what the indigo girls have to say. thier word and
music speak to me. that is why i am on the
list. the words of anyone with a social mind should open the way to
discussion, even debate, and with
that conflict, because we all come from a different frame of referece.
wishfully i say, conflict in this forum of
discussion should lead to a degree of understanding and tolerance for
difference. unfortunately, here, i've
seen it lead to name calling, and verbal abuse online, and people
feeling the need to leave the list because of
the abusers and the narrow minded nonthinkers who believe we must all
think, and be exactly like them.

i write this to you marty, so you will know that you are not alone.
i'm sending to the list so that they will know
that you are not alone.

i admire you a great deal. may i some day have your courage and
passion.

maritza

*narrow minds are generally two faced* df

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date:         thu, 7 dec 1995 16:58:02 -0600
reply-to:     chris hunter vanbrunt <vanbrunt@students.wisc.edu>
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from:         chris hunter vanbrunt <vanbrunt@students.wisc.edu>
subject:      re: life songs

i have a couple of lyrics i keep penned in my journals.

after 10 years of agony and my life slipping between my fingers, i finally
crashed and ended up in a hospital psych unit, and finally what was wrong
was diagnosed properly. it's been a long struggle in the past 6 years to
recover. a lot of the damage was done through involvement with a very
sadistic cult (not satanic, but close). a lot of amy ray's lyrics speak to
my feelings i've gone through. (i don't know if i'm quoting the words
correctly, but you'll get the gist.)

"we're all born in the devils scorn, he want's to see you die
i'm asking you, are you true
everything they say- it's a lie, it's a lie..."

that just sort of hit me between the eyes, as i was dealing with all the
hidden beliefs i'd learned when i first heard it. soon after that i got the
album with "love and anger" on it.

"here is my love, and anger
you see now, these are my gods
these are my scars...
my arms are burning, but they're open wide."

ar just sings that with so much passion and fire, she's just so "out
there," so present. i felt so raw at the time, and it was ok.

but my favorite lyric is on a more positive note, the one i keep with me a
lot. it helps me remember my role in the world as a survivor, as someone
who has seen and experienced evil.

"it's by turning out the lights that is their only power
so we stand like spotlights in a mighty tower...
and the darker the ages get, be a stronger beacon yet...
when the world is night
shine your life like a light."

(i've talked with other cult survivors who are ig fans, and we all have the
same attraction to amy's lyrics. we really identify with the imagery and
the power, and it fits into a lot of our learning and adaptations and
fears. how can someone capture our images and feelings so concisely?)

-chris-

a long, long, time ago in an indigalaxy far, far away there was a loyal,
considerate, and trustworthy indigo girls fan named indigboy.  he was a good
soul, who was very caring and loving of others, especially other indigo girls
fans.  he loved being part of this community known as the girlies.  he loved
it so much that he devoted a lot of time and effort to organizing projects
that would bring this community closer together.  he organized a fan tour
that allowed 48 ig fans, including himself, to come together from all over
the continent as well as all over the world and travel as a group for an
entire week and see indigo girls concerts in various cities.  a good time was
had by all.  as his favorite t-shirt reads, "there are no strangers here,
only friends you haven't met yet".  indigboy tried to organize other
projects, which were not as successful, but even in failure, he felt that the
efforts were never wasted because they were for a good cause.  one of
indigboy's favorite pastimes was reading his e-mail that he received from the
ig mailing list.  although at times he would have to weed through piles and
piles of inane chatter, the time spent deleting these messages proved
worthwhile when he would find that special gem from his netfriends
flamegrrrl, lorindigo, bme, and others.  he was happiest when he was reading
and sending e-mail, organizing projects, and being part of the indigo girls
community.  unfortunately, a few months ago, a terrible thing happened.  he
was cut off from the student e-mail server at rutgers, and by this, cut off
from his happy, secure ig internet community.  set adrift in this cruel and
lonely world with no email access whatsoever, he tried to get on with his
life.  but he found his new world to be cold and lonely, bereft of any ig
info.  although he still maintained contact with his friends, he found them
to be unreliable when important events like david letterman appearances
happened.  he was alone and depressed and felt completely cut off from the
life he once knew.  and then... something wonderful happened.  indigboy got a
job.  the truly impossible had actually happened.  rutgers university, the
organization that had cast him off like yesterday's garbage had reeled him in
and given him a job, but more importantly, reinstated his e-mail access.
thus, the saga of indigboy continues...  who knows what adventures will come
with it.

i apologize for being so melodramatic.  but this is truly a very special day.
my e-mail account has been reinstated, and after a long and arduous exile, i
am back.  i look forward to getting messages from those of you whom i have
had contact in the past, even those of you who have been mean and hurtful,
and i also look forward to getting messages from those of you who have
entered this wonderful community since i left.  i don't have any e-mail
addresses that were saved with my old account, so if lauree, bonnie, lorinda,
and anyone else with whom i have had consistent contact with in the past
could e-mail me privately, so i could have your addresses on file, i would
appreciate it.  i am still interested in organizing some of the projects that
i had discussed in the past.  i am going to list them below, and if anything
interests you, please throw your two pence in, publicly if appropriate, or
privately.  i know that there have been incidents in the recent past where
people have been publicly abused in this forum because of their exuberance
(sp?) and enthusiasm in participating in this list.  i was very upset to hear
about this, and i want to let everyone here know that i will be very obvious
and vocal in my support of anyone who is being treated unfairly.  that
includes newbies.  as problematic as newbies can be, they are our greatest
resource, and must be cultivated and nurtured rather than scared away.  as
long as they refrain from saying how much they love closer to fine, i can cut
them some slack.  thank you for reading this far.  talk to y'all soon.

let it grow

bert

projects:

video project: watershed reversed - 10 years of underground indigo
girls fans

i would like to have people send me videotapes with themselves and
their family and friends talking about their love of ig and everything
related to it, as well as performing ig songs.  i would like to get
20-30 minutes of footage from as many people as possible and edit it
down to around 4 hours, using the warmest, sweetest, funniest, and
most meaningful moments of everyone's tapes.  i guarantee that
everyone who submits a tape will be involved somewhere and somehow.  i
have already talked to a few people about being involved with the
editing and final production of this project.  if there is anyone
within a few hours drive of nj that wants to be invloved, let me know.

jcs tribute:

like the indicated of the past, i want to compile a tape of people
performing songs from jesus christ superstar as a tribute to the
atlanta musicianss who were involved in the most recent "resurrection"
of this rock opera. i don't care how bad your voices are or how
untalented you might be, you can be a part of this. i am in the
process of trying to get the sheet music to jcs, and once i have, i
will trey to figure out a way to get it to you.

indigo swirls crunch:

this was something that never really got off the ground before for a
variety of reasons, but i would like to petition ben & jerry's to
create an ice cream flavor named after ig.  the idea that i came up
with was indigo swirls crunch.  which was vanilla ice cream with
chocolate-covered blueberries, grape nuts, and blueberry swirls mixed
in.  as i mentioned before, this is just one idea.  if you have any
others, please feel free to add them.  at some point in time in the
near future, i would like to present one flavor to b&j's in the name
of indigo girls fans everywhere.

this is all for now. thanks for any and all support in these
endeavors.

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date:         fri, 8 dec 1995 18:05:33 -0600
reply-to:     rebecca gaukroger <gaukroge@uiuc.edu>
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from:         rebecca gaukroger <gaukroge@uiuc.edu>
subject:      ig screensavers-cheap (want one?)

hi people,
i came across a load of sony screensavers going cheap today, including
the ig one (they had shawn colvin's, james taylor's, toad's etc. too).
i grabbed one for myself, but if anyone would like me to get them one, i
think i can send you one for around $5 (they were $2.99+tax, so with
postage and packing, it should be around $5 -- see, i'm not trying to rip
anyone off...).
anyway, they had 3 ig ones left. so if you want one (or anyof the
others), email me soon...

bye for now,

rebecca.

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     punishment is that he sees the dawn before the rest of the world"
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reply-to:     sarah goracke <gorackese@interlochen.k12.mi.us>
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from:         sarah goracke <gorackese@interlochen.k12.mi.us>
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hi! i hope this is the place to sign up for your mailing list -my
sister told me about it, and i'd really like to recieve your
mailings. my name is sarah goracke, my email address is
gorackese@interlochen.k12.mi.us and i'd appreciate any information
available. thanks very much and i hope to hear from you soon.
sincerely, sarah goracke

i finally got watershed (i've been a little slow lately...) and i believe it
was the burning of a cat which inspired dmh...it brought back a memory which
i've repressed for a very long time.  when i was in first grade, i was
waiting to cross the street at a busy intersection and, as i was standing
there, i saw two young boys throwing something around.  when i looked
closely, i saw that one of the boys had a kitten by the tail, he started
swinging it around in the air and then threw it into the middle of traffic.
it was the most horrific thing i had ever seen and what hurt me more than
watching that death was that no one seemed to notice, or care.    i doubt
that the trauma of that day will ever leave me...

  i was watching the news tonight and i was horrified again when i heard that
two lesbian activists in oregon were brutally murdered.  the news segment was
short and followed by a commercial.  i find it difficult to understand the
brutality which exists in this world and the sadness which i feel right now
is indescribable.  i hope that we can all take a moment to reflect on the
lives of the two women killed today.  i hope that we can find a way to show
that we care or, at least, that we won't forget or tolerate hate crimes.

>
this has probably already made the list, i'm off it now, but i saw it and,
no offennse guys, being that there are so many lesbians on the ig list i
thought i would send it.. sorry to take up bandwith, but this is important,
even to straight folks..-water

>below are two different articles on this tragedy.
>
>===========================
>from:
>bruce amsbary
>bend, or
>
>the bodies of two missing lesbian activists were found in the back of their
>toyota pick-up truck this evening in medford, oregon.  michelle abdill, and
>her parnter of 12 years, roxanne ellis were last seen alive last seen monday,
>december 4th at about 5 p.m. in northeast medford, oregon.  both were former
>residents of colorado springs, colorado.
>
>both women were activists in combating anti-gay ballot measures in oregon.
>police report the two had received threats in the past and are investigating
>the murders as hate crimes.
>
>the medford police department is asking for the public's assistance in
>trying to locate a male who may have information in the disappearance of two
>local women. the man was seen in the area of sheraton ct. and delta waters
>rd,
>in the late afternoon on monday. december 4, 1995. the place and time the two
>women were last seen. any one with information on the below male subject, or
>die two missing women, should contact the medford police department.
>
>the male is described as:  white male adult (30's to 40's).  5'-7" to
>5'-10" tall; 150 to l7o lbs.  brown and grey hair, clean shaven.
>wearing:gold wire rim glasses,'grey jacket and tan pants.  possible
>related vehicle:  large dark blue 4-door sedan, sim ilar to a chevrolet
>sedan. california license plates (white background/blue letters)
>
>=======================================================
>
>     from nando times - december 8, 1995
>
>     * womens' bodies found; police fear deaths may linked to their
>     activism
>
>     medford, ore. -- the bodies of two women whose disappearance was
>     feared to be linked to their outspoken support for gay rights were
>     found thursday in the back of a pickup truck.
>
>     a cable company employee discovered the pickup belonging to roxanne
>     ellis parked behind an apartment building and notified police, lt. tom
>     lavine said.
>
>     police found her body and that of her companion, michelle abdill, in
>     the the camper shell attached to the pickup.
>
>     the truck was towed to a city garage, where its exterior was examined
>     for evidence before the camper was opened, police said.
>
>     police did not immediately release the cause of death.
>
>     ellis, 54, and adbill, 42, who ran a property management company, had
>     last been seen monday evening after ellis was scheduled to show a
>     rental duplex. abdill went to the duplex to help ellis jump start her
>     car, and both women disappeared.
>
>     ellis and abdill had spoken out in television and newspaper interviews
>     during campaigns to defeat statewide anti-gay rights measures in
>     recent years.
>
>     the possibility that their abductions may have been linked to their
>     activism sent a shiver of fear through the gay community.
>
>     "we have no reason to discount those fears and we are not," sgt. mike
>     moran said. "we want as a department not to work up people
>     unnecessarily about an issue we haven't proven yet, but we are taking
>     it as a very viable option."
>
>###
>
>
_________________________________________________________________

".. my heart it feels like a crusifix.. plastic molded and easily
warped.. manufactured by the millions.. bought and sold and easily lost..."
-cris mcguire

"... i will rise.. i will return... the phoenix from the flame.. i
will rise.. you see me return.. in what i am..."
-sinead o'connor

sh>i was listening to van morrison last night and started
sh>thinking about songs by other artists that i think ig
sh>should cover.

sh>three songs came to mind immediately:
sh>1.  crazy love (van morrison)
sh>2.  salisbury hill (peter gabriel)
sh>3.  space cowboy (steve miller)

sh>lauree

sh>p.s. not the huron christmas carol :)

great suggestions! personally, i've always wanted to hear amy do a
stevie ray vaughn song. possibly love struck, baby or pride and joy.
do we have new thread potential here?

indigo/dianne/tuesday's child

"if you want to know the secret behind a smile you've got to ask a
tuesday's child."

wow, this list has gotten rather negative of late. my delete button is on
fire. i'd thought i'd just throw out a joke i'd heard recently.

a: how are a tornado and marriage alike?

q: they both start with a lot of sucking and blowing and end up taking your
house. :)

peace, julie

p.s. no i am not anti-marriage-lighten up! ;)
_____________________________________________________________
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> great suggestions! personally, i've always wanted to hear amy do a
> stevie ray vaughn song. possibly love struck, baby or pride and joy.
> do we have new thread potential here?
>

i have found by experience that "life by the drop" by srv works well
with a female singer with a strong low alto/tenor voice.

tracey

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subject:      hello (an introduction)
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hi,
       my name is padraic, and i am new to this list, 2 days... although when
i subscribed to this list i had planned to keep quite for a while, i have
been devouring each and every letter, and yearning to comment on some of the
subjects i have seen discussed. but first i feel an introduction to be
necessary. i hope i'm not breaking any rules by doing this, but here goes...
like i said, my name is padraic, i am 29/m and have been a dead head since i
was 12. ( before you groan and roll your eyes, let me state that i have long
since grown beyond the single-minded devotion so common among heads) my
tastes in music are broad and varied, and i believe it is safe to say i have
devoted my whole life to music. many years ago i realized that music is the
language that connects me to my higher power... i have yet to reach a
spiritual understanding, but i know that through music, i am traveling  my
proper path. ok, so now on to my discovery of the girls... about a year ago,
while talking to my dear friend carla, she asked if i had heard swamp
ophielia yet. i asked her what that was and she told me it was the indigo
girls latest album. i told her that, although i had heard of them, i had
never heard them. this came as shock to carla, because,  my musical
background,  my deep love of music, and my particular tastes in music, she
had assumed that i was familiar with their work. the excuse i used  for my
ignorance was that i had such an eclectic and large music collection, i just
never got around to listening to them. the next time i was at carla's house
she made a point  of putting so on. unfortunately, my first time hearing the
girls, was just that, hearing, not listening. there was so much going on in
the house, that the disc was little more than background music. but, i heard
enough to think i might enjoy them. a few days later, i went to the store and
bought the only ig disc they had in stock, nomads. i took it home and gave it
a good listen. i was hooked! in a weeks time, i had all 6 of there albums,
and had them all in my disc player, where they stayed for the next month. by
that time, i was completely familiar with all their work, and totally in love
with them. by love, i do not mean the needy, love, desirous of  a sexual or
emotional relationship, but a love based on the awe i feel when ever i
experience the beauty there music has brought to this world, and grown out of
the gratitude for the richness and joy this beauty brings to my life... and
now it 's a year later, and although i still haven't seen them live, hear i
sit proclaiming an intangible love for two women i will probably never meet,
to people i have never met. neat. well i hope i haven't gotten anybody mad at
my abrupt introduction.
thank you all :)
padraic

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from:         maggie wheeler <maggiew@singnet.com.sg>
subject:      nigc:wales!
x-to:         mts5@aber.ac.uk

>>>>i realise here i run the serious risk of sounding like mat@aberdeen ...

>aberdeen? don't you mean aberystwyth?
>
>mat
>mts5@aber.ac.uk

multiple choice response, take your pick mat:

1) nah! you're both as bad as each other!

2) aberystwyth???? well...*that* explains it then. (!!!)

:) :) maggie

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from:         jude shabry <hey_jude@brown.edu>
subject:      re: time for bmnhawk on vh-1
in-reply-to:  your message of "tue, 05 dec 1995 00:20:38 est."
              <01hyffynstq09iifi6@delphi.com>

yikes.. indigo girls on *crossroads*

um, i don't watch vh-1 very often, but i've seen ads for that show and
it seems to me that they claim to be a "you saw them here first" kind
of thing. like show up-and-coming bands that they predict will do
well.

i think ig is a bit (a bit ;) beyond that state...

-jude, finally caught up

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date:         sat, 9 dec 1995 11:01:45 est
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from:         lisa grandjean <lisag@charity.trinityvt.edu>
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subject:      re: indigboy is back
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bert:
i have letterman om tape if you would like a copy. get back to
me. oh yeah, welcome back!
lisa

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subject:      re: hello (an introduction)

on sat, 9 dec 1995 padraic buckmaster wrote:

<snip>
> by love, i do not mean the needy, love, desirous of a sexual or
> emotional relationship, but a love based on the awe i feel when ever i
> experience the beauty there music has brought to this world, and grown out of
> the gratitude for the richness and joy this beauty brings to my life... and
> now it 's a year later, and although i still haven't seen them live, hear i
> sit proclaiming an intangible love for two women i will probably never meet,
> to people i have never met. neat.
<snip>

yes! finally someone wrote what i can never describe to anyone else!
my love for the indigo girls is definitely not some sort of stupid
teen mag, screaming fan obsession! thank you, padraic!!

anna

  "the body consists of three parts - the brainium, the
  borax and the abdominable cavity.  the brainium contains
  the brain, the borax contains the heart and lungs, and the
  abdominable cavity contains the bowls, of which there are
  five - a, e, i, o, and u."

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from:         lisa grandjean <lisag@charity.trinityvt.edu>
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x-to:         padraic buckmaster <newgrssss@aol.com>, newgrssss@aol.com

padraic,
your story is what the love for the girls is all about. i'll
share my story tomorrow!
\ lisa

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subject:      (fwd) gender and punctuation...

here's a little bit more humor to lighten up the list!

an english professor wrote the words "woman without her man is a savage"
on the blackboard and directed his students to punctuate it correctly.

the men wrote: "woman, without her man, is a savage."

the women wrote: "woman: without her, man is a savage."

i know there was some mention of this band a little while ago on the
list....i was reading the paper this morning and found out they will be in my
area (dc) on the 30th of dec.....can someone email me to tell me what the
band is like and whether or not they are worth seeing.

thanks
kate

hi guy,

i saw your note about the free posters (excluding postage of course:). what
a deal! i'm sure i'm not the first to respond, but i am interested!!! i'll
take anything that you can find. just let me know what you come across.

sorry if this is going to the wrong address. i'm new to e-mail.

thanks!

raven

okay, so i make it all the way, in the snow, to best buy searching for this
screen saver everyone's been yappung about.  i run through the whole store in a
frenzy wondering where it could be.  i finally resort to the ig cd section and
find it.  oh joyous day!  so, i read a bit on the back and in teeny-tiny print
it says that it's microsoft windows compatible - *only*!!  i think the entire
store heard me groan.  me, being the mac-lover that i am, am now wthout the
precious screen saver (which would've cost be a prett $10).
okay, here's my point, does anyone know of a mac-friendly version?  and if so,
where could i possibly find it???  any help would be appreciated!
oh, and if someone is actually offering posters for just postage, i don't have
your address so if i could get my hands on one, please email me privately!

ah, isn't snow wonderful!?! :)
avital
avital@lucy.cs.wisc.edu

this is in respone to all those who wanted the chords for cold as ice.
well, i sent them out last night, so let me know if you didn't get them,
or if there is anyone else who decided they would like them.

i had a problem with lynn bailey's address, so if she could email me
again with her address, that would be cool...

and if anyone knows how to get them archived at nevada, please let me know.

take care all

lisa :)

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x-to:         avital livny <avital@cs.wisc.edu>, avital@cs.wisc.edu

is your mac dos compatible? if so, there is a chance you can install
it on your computer! i have wimdows on mine and i got the screen
saver last night from my boyfriend as a surprise. let me look at my
screen saver to see if there is another way i can boot it in from
dos. i'll get back to you tomorrow!
lisa

perry has called me today to say that he is off line at leat through
the end of the year.  his iap upgraded their system and now his modem
will not connect to it.  so, if you ave sent him e-mail since
thursday he has not gotten it.  please call him at 1-800-636-6166
for any of your atlanta music shopping needs.  if you are non-us and
want to get in touch with him, feel free to send me e-mail and
i will pass the message along.  he will also not be able to get
mail through the web site, so, again, call him.

i will post an udated list of who is expected to appear at
he rdr new year's jam soon. if you are plannnig in being tehre,
call and let perry now so he can have enough refreshments on hand.

thanks!

amy p.                          /       who holds your hand
pegasus@crl.com                /        when you're alone
                              /
the original photo monk      /                  --patty larkin

hi...i joined this group a few days ago.  i noticed, however, after
reading through the many postings yesterday, that someone mailed in that
was a friend of a close friend of the ig.  my name is amy, and i have
long been an admirer of the ig as musicians.  i play the oboe and english
horn, and am currently studying under nancy ambrose king, a nationally
known and respected oboist.  well, a fellow student and friend of mine,
ryan, and i have been playing oboe duets in coffee shops and local stores in
the chicagoland area.  we are both avid listeners of the ig.  there is a
point to this so please keep reading.... it has long been our dream to some
day play back up for the ig.  we have the experience playing solo (by
ourselves) and are ready to move on to something like back up in a group
that we mututally respect and admire.  you'll never reach your dreams if
you don't at least try, right?  so, i am writing in hopes that if someone
*does* in fact have a "contact" with the ig manager, if they could
somehow let the girls know of our intention.  i have tried vaious other
methods of contacting them, all of which have thus far been unsuccessful.  i
can't think of any of their songs that have included oboe or english
horn.  i do, however, feel that the mellow sound of the english horn, or the
emotional capability of the oboe would work well with the incredible
voices.  with so many people in this group, my hopes were that maybe
someone, somewhere, could at least find out if they would ever be
intersted in working with an oboist, english horn, or an oboe duo.
please post any info. found to *my* account at a-vogt@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu.
thanks for being so patient and reading through this whole thing.

-amy =)

okay, the "thanks, y'all" endings to every ig song on 1200 curfews is
gettin kinda tiresome--they grind on my nerves.
don't get me wrong, the songs rock my world, but i realize how repetitive
some things are...
--mike

hey, i just subscribed to th ig group a few days ago so i think it's my
turn to introduce myself. my name is ben slavin and i'm a vocal
performance major at arizona state university with an emphasis on opera
and musical theater. i can't think of any two musicains that have helped
me more as a person and a singer than the indigo girls. this seems
amazingly overdramatic but i really couldn't think of where i would be
without their music.
anyway, i was also wondering how i could start a bootleg collection of
their music. i'll take anything! there is one particular song i am
looking for but i can't recall the name of it. it's an acapella song i heard
at one of their concerts. the only things i can remember is that it
sounds similar to a lullaby and the word buffalo is mentioned. i hope
that's not too vague.
thanks alot and i look forward to posting messages often.

ben slavin

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from:         matthew j smith <mts5@aber.ac.uk>
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x-to:         enenbach <indymike@falcon.cc.ukans.edu>

at 18:03 09/12/95 -0600, enenbach wrote:
>okay, the "thanks, y'all" endings to every ig song on 1200 curfews is
>gettin kinda tiresome--they grind on my nerves.
>don't get me wrong, the songs rock my world, but i realize how repetitive
>some things are...
>--mike

you should listen to nanci griffith's "one fair summer evening".   at the
end of each song she goes "thaeeeeeenkyoooooooooou!"   i suppose it's her
texan accent except that usually it doesn't sound quite so strong (eg on the
gigs i've heard of hers on the radio since then).   in fact i think her
accent on the spoken bits on that lp were exaggerated to say the least.

and on the subject of nanci ... when she toured britain after the "other
voices other rooms" lp (the covers lp) she had virtually a whole army of
folk-singers with her, including tanita tikaram and iris dement, and they
all joined her for a rendition of "it's a hard life wherever you go". were
amy & emily in this group? can anyone tell me who was, it's a couple of
years since i heard the gig and i didn't know who any of them were at the time.

also i posted this a few weeks ago, but got no replies ... does anyone know
who or what "hap" as in "godhap music" is? a while back there was a film
about a man who died in a plane crash, and who came back from the dead to
teach someone else to fly, and the woman who met him on the other side and
sent him back was called hap. does anyone know anything else about this
character?

mat
mts5@aber.ac.uk

   "[the priest] said that if you have to work for anyone, an
        absentee boss is best."
           - jeannette winterson, "the passion"

   "a man must make unpopular decisions,
    hit those nails on the head,
    and i respect a man who goes to where he wants to be
    even if he wants to be dead."
           - vic chesnutt, "florida" from west of rome

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well, this is my first time writting to the list. i have enjoyed
reading for the last little while.

i was wondering if anyone has bought the swamp ophelia songboon yet?
i found the address for it on their home page, but i was wondering if
it had a good guitar section (like rights and nomads, not ig).

thanks,
laura

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x-to:         norman-laura@byuh.edu

the guitar part in swamp ophielia is as good as rights... it's a keeper!

why is no-one ever on the list on sundays??
do y'all have really great sundays or something??
is there anyone out there tonight???????????

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from:         lisa grandjean <lisag@charity.trinityvt.edu>
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subject:      re: i'm lonely!(nigc)
x-to:         maggie wheeler <maggiew@singnet.com.sg>, maggiew@singnet.com.sg

i'm on the list. i just woke up. be patient! people have finals to
study for! i should be doing that too! oh prince of darkness!!!! why
can't galileo give me some of his insight??!!
lisa

        personally i agree that it is a 'little' repetetitive, but i
really think that it is just another way to 'see'  the personalities
of a&e come out.  my roommate and i have a great time quoting that
line, it just adds even more to the album...

erica

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i just got the songbook the other day. the guitar parts are excellent but
the piano arrangements are kind of silly. i just don't think "fugitive"
was meant to be played on a piano.

hey there:
dar williams has a new christmas single out called "the christians and
the pagans". the local npr station is playing it and it rocks america.
i think its a promo cuz i couldn't find it at the record stores...
i'll probably have to call the label to order it. anyway i can't get it out
of my head and i thought i'd pass it along.

peace

joellen

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subject:      re: nigc: dar williams
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the christians and the pagans is on dar williams' next album, which i
think is going to be released really soon (according to my local radio
station, or maybe the folk_music list). i heard that and one other song
from it and really liked them both.

- elizabeth :)

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subject:      indicated iii---can someone update me?
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hi guys and gals,
i have been off the list for quite a while now, and i was just wondering if
someone out there could update me as to the goings on of the girls and if
there is an indicated iii in the works! thanks alot!
rob augino

can someone remind me on the subscribing process.....momentary lapse...:)
thanks
rob

hey, i've been lonely most of the week.  it's true, at least i think,
that less people write to the list on sundays.  but sometimes i don't
mind because i get behind in my mail and don't always have time to
read.  i just wish more people would hang out in irc.  sometimes i wish
i could talk to other ig fans instead of just reading what they mailed.
amyrays-
well, i hope y'all are having a good evening.  thanks for the mail.

---emily =)

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subject:      for sheri stanley only
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sheri,

thank you so much for the tape.  i apologize for sending to the whole
list, i hadn't saved your email.  i really *love* lucy k. - you know i
swear she's  shawn colvin's twin sister or something.  the whole tape
reminds me of shawn and nanci griffith.  thanks.  we must share tastes.
have you heard melissa ferrick or jewel?  they're two of my new
discoveries that i'm really loving - though theyre a bit more sinead
o'connor or alanis morrissette, than shawn colvin.

anyway, i appreciate your sharing.

kim

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i've recently heard alot about dar williams and was wondering what she is
like as a musician. the only time i've ever heard her is with joan baez
on her new live cd. it's a great song! but anyway, how many albums does
she have out and are they worth obtaining?
ben

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hey, i was thinking that we should irc each other on occasion. i'm gonna
go open a channel called "indigo-girls" right now. anybody who feels
like it, join me.

(sunday, 5:50 p.m. pacific.)

kim

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on sun, 10 dec 1995, benjamin slavin wrote:

> i've recently heard alot about dar williams and was wondering what she is
> like as a musician. the only time i've ever heard her is with joan baez
> on her new live cd. it's a great song! but anyway, how many albums does
> she have out and are they worth obtaining?
> ben

ben,  i'd say definately yes, especially if you like "you're aging
well".  i actually prefer the version on the joan baez cd - you know,
harmonies and all.  she is an excellent songwriter.  if you enjoy clever
lyrics, dar's your woman. i hear she's great in concert as well. she was
here in the town i live in on the day after thanksgiving!  ahh!  i went
home to visit my parents for the holiday!  oh well, maybe she'll be back
one of these days.
kim

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dar williams has one album out ('the honesty room') and another on the
way.  i've heard a lot of people rate 'the honesty room' as one of the
best folk albums they've come across.  i bought it a while ago and really
like it.  her lyrics are amazing, at least, they really speak to me.  i
got her cd single last week (2 songs of the new album, and one re-done
from the last) and that's great too.

there are 2 versions of the honesty room out; the original one and the
one that came out since she signed to a new (and bigger) label. the 2nd
version's got a couple of extra songs on -- i've got the 1st though.

anyway, i'd say that if you like "you're aging well' from joan baez's
'ring them bells' you'll like a lot of the rest of them.

hope that helps,

rebecca.
*****************************************************************

ahhhhh.. myu local bootleg store finaly get "complicated girls"...
didi anyone else notice that the song names are all wrong? kinda
silly.. i don't mind, but its funny..

peace,
jon

"if we give gays and lesbians civil rights, then everyone will want them!"

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kimberly love nalder <klnalder@ucdavis.edu> writes:
> hey, i was thinking that we should irc each other on occasion. i'm gonna
> go open a channel called "indigo-girls" right now. anybody who feels
> like it, join me.

great idea!  so great, in fact, that someone thought of it a long time
ago.. ;)  look for kidfears, piquet, uglybass, and everyone else now and
again on #indigo-girls..  :)

-jude (aka peacefrog)

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okay...i'm new to the computer scene....could someone please tell
me how to fo irc and what and where it is....thanks. --jamie

"i don't care, cause sometimes, i hear my voice and it's been
silent all these years" -tori amos

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jon,
good quote. what songs are on "complicated girls" anyway. ijust ordered
the cd from rdr a few days ago.
ben

i really wanted to get into that irc last night but had no idea how.
would someone please tell me!

hey, y'all (sorry, but that's how we talk in oklahoma :)!)  i am a newbie
who has spent the past few days reading the list and taking it all in.  i
think i found some info for whoever wanted to know stuff about tuesday's
child.  i was just watching a show called "charles manson:  the man who
murdered the sixties" on the learning channel.  apparantly, a newspaper
called "tuesday's child" named manson its man of the year for 1969 or 1970.
although the show didn't go into details about the paper, it was perhaps
some sort of anti-war forum (?).  for those of you who want to check it out,
it will play again tonight (sun, 12/10) at 12 midnight central time.  the
tuesday's child part is within the last 15 or so minutes, although the
entire show is interesting.

btw, for all you other newbies, i checked with a friend about irc.  it's
some sort of chat room where we could all get together to talk, in real
time, about whatever.  she said that you need software to have access to
irc, and mentioned a program called homer.  perhaps if you have aol, or some
other service, you can get to ircs, but i don't know for sure.

i'm really enjoying being on this list, and wish that my other ig fan
friends were online so they could participate too!

stacy

i was just listening to sf and at the very, very end of i don't want to know i think michelle is saying something like this

"hey, hey, get off of the stage . . . i can't talk to you, yeah, i got to go . . . . ."

does anyone know exactly what she is saying, or have any back ground on why she is saying it?

back to studying, i've got my first (ever) law school final tomorrow. good luck on finals everyone!
alycia

'cus i have had something to prove as long as i've had something that needs improvement.
and you know that every time i move, i make a woman's movement.
and first you decide what you've got to do, and then you go out and do it.
and maybe the most that we can do is just to see each other through it.
- ani difranco

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> effector online volume 08 no. 20       dec 9, 1995        editors@eff.org
> a publication of the electronic frontier foundation        issn 1062-9424
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> in this issue:
>
> alert: mon. - internet censorship protest rally in san francisco
> alert: tue. - global internet day of protest against censorship bills
>   internet day of protest: tuesday december 12, 1995
>   what you must do on tuesday december 12, 1995
>   list of participating organizations
>   where can i learn more?
> update on internet censorship bills
> 'let freedom ring' - eff op-ed on internet censorship
> [newsbytes - skipped for this issue again, due to urgency of lead articles]
> upcoming events
> quote of the day
> what you can do
> administrivia
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> * see http://www.eff.org/alerts/ or ftp.eff.org, /pub/alerts/ for more
> information on current eff activities and online activism alerts! *
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> subject: mon. - internet censorship protest rally in san francisco
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>
> spread the word!
>
>                 *** netizens!! rally against censorship ***
>
> amendment i: "congress shall make no law ... abridging the freedom of
> speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble."
>
>
>      **protest ** protest ** protest ** protest ** protest ** protest **
>
> it's like illiterates telling you what to read. on december 6 members of
> the house conference committee on telecommunications reform approved a
> proposal to censor free speech in cyberspace. if the measures are adopted,
> the net and online media will become the most heavily regulated media in
> the united states. they *will not* enjoy the first amendment freedoms now
> afforded to print media. instead, online publishers and users will be held
> to a vague and patently un-constitutional "indecency" standard. "violators"
> will be subject to fines of up to $100,000 and prison terms of up to five
> years.
>
> in response, all members of the bay area media, online, internet, new
> media, and telecommunications communities are invited to participate in a
> protest rally to express our outrage that the politicians in congress
> (which is not even connected to the internet!) are attempting to destroy
> our first amendment rights in cyberspace, and directly attack our
> livelihoods.
>
> help stop the demagogs in washington! there is nothing "decent" about
> denying free speech to us, our children, and our children's children.
> preserve our constitutional rights! join us!
>
> when: monday, december 11, 1995  12:00 - 1:00 pm (pst)
>
> where: south park (between 2nd and 3rd, bryant and brannon) san francisco.
>
> speakers: to be announced  [including john gilmore, jim warren, dave
> winer, mike godwin, howard rheingold]
>
> bring: attention-grabbing posters, signs, and banners that demonstrate your
> committment to free speech and expression, and your feelings about
> congress.
>
> for updated information: http://www.hotwired.com/staff/digaman
>
> (although this event is being organized in the offices of wired magazine
> and hotwired, we are *actively* seeking participation and support from all
> members of the local community. please forward this message to anyone you
> think should attend, and to all relevant news groups.)
>
> contact: todd lappin -- 415-222-6241 -- protest@wired.com
>
> ------------------------------
>
>
> subject: alert tue. - global internet day of protest against censorship bills
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> eff has joined forces with the aclu, cdt, epic, vtw, and other free
> speech groups to organize a national day of protest on tuesday, december
> 12, 1995, against congressional attempts to censor the internet.
>
> we hope you will join us and hundreds of thousands of your fellow
> net.citizens in this effort.
>
> congress is expected to cast a final vote on this issue next week.
> the fate of the internet as a viable medium for free expression,
> education, and commerce hangs in the balance.
>
> please take a moment to read the attached alert and get ready to
> flood capitol hill with phone calls, faxes, and email messages
> on tuesday.  please also forward this alert to all of your wired
> friends.
>
> together we *can* make a difference. and we cannot afford to
> fail at this.
>
>
>      campaign to stop the net censorship legislation in congress
>
>     on tuesday december 12, 1995, join with hundreds of thousands
>                   of your fellow internet users in
>
>                   a national internet day of protest
>
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>
> contents
>         internet day of protest: tuesday december 12, 1995
>         what you must do on tuesday december 12, 1995
>         list of participating organizations
>       where can i learn more?
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> internet day of protest:  tuesday december 12, 1995
>
> outrageous proposals to censor the internet demand that the internet
> community take swift and immediate action. we must stand up and let
> congress know that we will not tolerate their attempts to destroy this
> medium! please join hundreds of thousands of your fellow citizens in a
> national day of protest on tuesday december 12, 1995.
>
> as you know, on wednesday december 6, 1995, the house conference
> committee on telecommunications reform voted to impose far reaching and
> unconstitutional "indecency" restrictions on the internet and other
> interactive media, including large commercial online services (such as
> america online, compuserve, and prodigy) and smaller internet service
> providers such as panix, the well, echo, and mindvox.
>
> these restrictions threaten the very existence of the internet and
> interactive media as a viable medium for free expression, education,
> commerce.  if enacted, the internet as we know it will never be the
> same.
>
> libraries will not be able to put any books online that might
> offend a child somewhere.  no "catcher in the rye" or "ulysses" on the net.
> internet service providers could face criminal penalties for allowing
> children to subscribe to their internet services, forcing many  small
> companies to simply refuse to sell their services to anyone under 18. worst
> of all, everything you say and publish on the net will have to be "dumbed
> down" to that which is acceptable to a child.
>
> as internet users, we simply must not allow this assault against the
> internet and our most basic freedoms to go unchallenged.
>
> on tuesday december 12, the organizations below are urging you to
> join us in a national day of protest. the goal is to flood key members of
> the house and senate with phone calls, faxes and email with the message
> that the internet community will not tolerate congressional attempts to
> destroy the internet, limit our freedoms and trample on our rights.
>
> below are the phone, fax, and email address of several key members of
> congress on this issue and instructions on what you can do to join the
> national day of protest to save the net.
>
> ______________________________________________________________________
>
> what you must do on tuesday december 12, 1995
>
> 1. throughout the day tuesday december 12, please contact as many
>    members of congress on the list below as you can. if you are only
>    able to make one call, contact house speaker newt gingrich. finally,
>    if the senator or representative from your state is on the list
>    below, be sure to contact him or her also.
>
> 2. urge each member of congress to "stop the madness".  tell them that
>    they are about to pass legislation that will destroy the internet as
>    an educational and commercial medium.  if you are at a loss for
>    words, try the following sample communique:
>
>    sample phone call:
>
>         both the house and senate bills designed to protect children
>         from objectionable material on the internet will actually
>         destroy the internet as an medium for education, commerce, and
>         political discourse. there are other, less restrictive ways to
>         address this issue.
>
>         i urge you to oppose both measures being proposed in the
>         conference committee.  this is an important election issue to
>         me.
>
>    sample letter (fax or email):
>
>         the senate conferees are considering ways to protect children
>         from inappropriate material on the internet.  a vote for either
>         the house or senate proposals will result in the destruction of
>         the internet as a viable medium for free expression, education,
>         commerce.  libraries will not be able to put their entire book
>         collections online.  everyday people like me will risk massive
>         fines and prison sentences for public discussions someone s
>         somewhere might consider "indecent".
>
>         there are other, less restrictive ways to protect children from
>         objectionable material online. this is an important election
>         issue to me.
>
> 3. if you're in san francisco, or near enough to get there, go to
>    the rally against censorship from ground zero of the digital revolution:
>
>    when: monday, december 11, 1995  12:00 - 1:00 pm
>    where: south park (between 2nd and 3rd, bryant and brannon) san francisco.
>    speakers: to be announced
>    bring: attention-grabbing posters, signs, and banners that demonstrate
>       your committment to free speech and expression, and your feelings
>       about congress.
>    for updated information (including rain info):
>       http://www.hotwired.com/staff/digaman/
>
>
> ### this is very important ###
>
> 4. mail a note to protest@vtw.org to let us know you did your part.
>    although you will not receive a reply due to the number of
>    anticipated responses, we'll be counting up the number of people that
>    participated in the day of protest.
>
>
>       p st name and address           phone           fax
>       = == ========================   ==============  ==============
>       r ak stevens, ted               1-202-224-3004  1-202-224-1044
>       r az mccain, john               1-202-224-2235  1-602-952-8702
>         senator_mccain@mccain.senate.gov
>       d hi inouye, daniel k.          1-202-224-3934  1-202-224-6747
>       r ks dole, robert               1-202-224-6521  1-202-228-1245
>       d ky ford, wendell h.           1-202-224-4343  1-202-224-0046
>         wendell_ford@ford.senate.gov
>       r ms lott, trent                1-202-224-6253  1-202-224-2262
>       r mt burns, conrad r.           1-202-224-2644  1-202-224-8594
>         conrad_burns@burns.senate.gov
>       d ne exon, j. j.                1-202-224-4224  1-202-224-5213
>       d sc hollings, ernest f.        1-202-224-6121  1-202-224-4293
>         senator@hollings.senate.gov
>       r sd pressler, larry            1-202-224-5842  1-202-224-1259
>         larry_pressler@pressler.senate.gov
>       r wa gorton, slade              1-202-224-3441  1-202-224-9393
>         senator_gorton@gorton.senate.gov
>       d wv rockefeller, john d.       1-202-224-6472  n.a.
>         senator@rockefeller.senate.gov
>
>    dist st name, address, and party     phone            fax
>    ==== == ========================     ==============  ==============
>       6 ga gingrich, newt (r)           1-202-225-4501   1-202-225-4656
>              2428 rhob                      georgia6@hr.house.gov
>      14 mi conyers jr., john (d)        1-202-225-5126   1-202-225-0072
>              2426 rhob                      jconyers@hr.house.gov
>       1 co schroeder, patricia (d)      1-202-225-4431   1-202-225-5842
>              2307 rhob
>      18 tx jackson-lee, sheila (d)      1-202-225-3816         1-202-225-3317
>              1520 lhob
>       6 tn gordon, bart (d)             1-202-225-4231   1-202-225-6887
>              2201 rhob
>
>
> 4. forward this alert to all of your wired friends.
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> where can i learn more?
>
> at this moment, there are several organizations with www sites that now
> have, or will have, information about the net censorship legislation and
> the national day of protest:
>
> american civil liberties union (ftp://ftp.aclu.org/aclu/)
> center for democracy and technology (http://www.cdt.org/)
> electronic frontier foundation (http://www.eff.org/)
> electronic privacy information center (http://www.epic.org/)
> wired magazine (http://www.hotwired.com/special/indecent/)
> voters telecommunications watch (http://www.vtw.org/)
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> list of participating organizations
>
> in order to use the net more effectively, several organizations have
> joined forces on a single congressional net campaign to stop the
> communications decency act.
>
>
> american civil liberties union * american communication association *
> american council for the arts * arts & technology society * association
> of alternative newsweeklies * biancatroll productions * boston
> coalition for freedom of expression * californians against censorship
> together * center for democracy and technology * centre for democratic
> communications * center for public representation * citizen's voice -
> new zealand * cloud 9 internet *computer communicators association *
> computel network services * computer professionals for social
> responsibility * cross connection * cyber-rights campaign * cyberqueer
> lounge * dorsai embassy * dutch digital citizens' movement * echo
> communications group, inc. * electronic frontier canada * electronic
> frontier foundation * electronic frontier foundation - austin *
> electronic frontiers australia * electronic frontiers houston *
> electronic frontiers new hampshire * electronic privacy information
> center * feminists for free expression * first amendment teach-in *
> florida coalition against censorship * francecom, inc. web advertising
> services * friendly anti-censorship taskforce for students * hands
> off!  the net * inland book company * inner circle technologies, inc. *
> inst. for global communications * internet on-ramp, inc. * internet
> users consortium * joint artists' and music promotions political action
> committee * the libertarian party * marijuana policy project *
> metropolitan data networks ltd. * mindvox * mn grassroots party *
> national bicycle greenway * national campaign for freedom of expression
> * national coalition against censorship * national gay and lesbian task
> force * national public telecomputing network * national writers union
> * oregon coast risc * panix public access internet * people for the
> american way * republican liberty caucus * rock out censorship *
> society for electronic access * the thing international bbs network *
> the well * voters telecommunications watch
>
> (note: all 'electronic frontier' organizations are independent entities,
>  not eff chapters or divisions.)
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
>         end alert
> [intro text adapted from cdt & vtw copies of the alert.]
>
> ------------------------------
>
>
> subject: update on internet censorship bills
> --------------------------------------------
>
> the us house of representatives members of the join conference committee
> working on the telecom bill passed, dec. 5, a gutted version of the white
> amendment, that would criminalize "indecent" material online.  the fight
> now moves to the senate side of that committee, which is dominated by
> sponsors of unconstitutional censorship legislation. needless to say,
> they are not expected to uphold the first amendement.
>
> the larger congress, however, may be another story.  as public rallies
> and online protests gear up, civil liberties organizations including eff
> are urging you to call your senators and representatives, as well as dole
> and gingrich as congressional leaders, to express your opinions on this
> vital issue.
>
> according to an e-press release from _american_reporter_, this
> online-only daily newspaper "threatened on thursday to deliberately defy the
> language of [the] u.s. house cyberporn proposal if it becomes law,
> calling the measure a clear violation of the first amendment."  other
> individuals and organizations - including a judge - have similarly promised
> civil disobedience, with people almost literally lining up to challenge
> the bill in court should it pass.  aclu, eff, and the national writers
> union, among others, have indicated interest in mounting legal challenges
> to any such censorship law.
>
> the _boston_globe_ reports that at least one legislator, rep. ed markey (d-ma)
> is skeptical about the proposed new law. "markey said there's a good
> chance congress won't finish work on the overall telecommunications bill
> this year.  even if the bill is completed, a constitional challenge to
> the law is very likely. besides, the law won't stop people outside the
> united states from posting pornography on the internet." (from "markey
> says parents key to cyberporn fight", hiawatha bray, _boston_globe_, dec. 9).
>
> elizabeth corcoran & mike mills report in the _washington_post_ that
> speaker of the house newt gingrich (r-ga) intends to "narrow the scope"
> of the legislation, working with rep. rick white (r-wa), who's own
> proposal was gutted in the conference committee. the _post_ suggests
> that they will try to push the legislation back towards a "harmful to
> minors" (obscenity) standard, rather than the vague indecency standard
> expected to be reported out of the conf. committee early next week.
> gingrich's plan would essentially force to be subject to at
> least some of the same tests as obscenity - material with cultural,
> literary or scientific value would be exempted.
>
> the next (and possibly last, for this issue) meeting of the conferees on
> the telecom bill has been set for 2pm est, tue., dec. 12.  the telecom
> bill conference report (that is, the final version of the bill) is
> sheduled for a vote the week of dec. 11.
>
> ------------------------------
>
>
> subject: 'let freedom ring' - eff op-ed on internet censorship
> --------------------------------------------------------------
>
> [this is the longer original version of an opinion-editorial piece published
> dec. 9, in the _new_york_times_.]
>
>
> let freedom ring
>
> freedom of speech on the internet, the worldwide network of
> computers, is under attack from a variety of sources, both
> public and private. three preliminary decisions handed down
> over the past couple of weeks against the church of
> scientology and its related religious technology center and
> bridge publications, inc., offer a glimpse into how complicated
> these issues can become online.
>
> the first decision, filed just before thanksgiving by judge
> ronald whyte of the northern california federal district court,
> probably had the most far-reaching implications for the future
> of electronic communications.  judge whyte held that internet
> service providers, those important gateways to the information
> superhighway, cannot be held liable for copyright infringement
> when they have no knowledge of the content of their users'
> messages.  "where a bbs operator cannot reasonably verify a
> claim of infringement, either because of a possible fair use
> defense, the lack of copyrighted notices on the copies, or the
> copyright holder's failure to provide the necessary
> documentation to show that there is a likely infringement, the
> operator's lack of knowledge will be found reasonable and there
> will be no liability for contributory infringement for allowing
> the continued distribution of the works on its system."
>
> this is important, because system providers are similar to the
> telephone company when it comes to electronic communications--
> they provide the conduit.  if they can be held liable for the content of
> messages, they are more likely to monitor those messages and censor any
> that contain anything that might get them in trouble.  just as we don't
> want ma bell censoring our voice communications, we should be very troubled
> by any copyright law interpretation that would assign liability to those who
> provide internet service.
>
> the second and third decisions were filed last week by judge
> leonie m. brinkema of the federal district court for northern
> virginia.  in those cases, judge brinkema admonished the church
> of scientology for using lawsuits to silence its online
> critics.  in dismissing the washington post and two of its
> reporters from the suit and holding the church of scientology
> responsible for the post's attorneys' fees, judge brinkema
> found, "although the rtc brought the complaint under
> traditional secular concepts of copyright and trade secret law,
> it has become clear that a much broader motivation
> prevailed--the stifling of criticism and dissent of the
> religious practices of scientology and the destruction of its
> opponents."  the judge called this motivation "reprehensible."
>
> while the results of these preliminary decisions are
> encouraging, they are but small battles in a war that is being
> waged not only in our courtrooms but in congress and state
> legislatures, as well.  and the war is hardly over.  from the
> unconstitutional "online decency" legislation included in the
> telecommunications reform bill to the fbi's digital telephony
> wiretapping law, censoring the internet seems to be the battle cry of
> the uninformed.
>
> but there are serious ramifications to barreling ahead without
> fully considering the first amendment--ramifications that will
> be with us for a long time to come.  as we chip away at our own
> free speech rights, we diminish ourselves.  the most
> frightening aspect is that these decisions regarding provider
> liability and protection of the free speech rights of those who
> dare to disagree are being made before most of us realize that
> these precedents are being codified into law.
>
> these early battles are important, and the online world
> breathed a collective sigh of relief over judge whyte's and
> judge brinkema's decisions.  but there are more battles to be
> fought  before we know that the first amendment will make the
> transition to online communications.
>
> shari steele,
> staff counsel
>
> the electronic frontier foundation
> 1550 bryant st., suite 725
> san francisco ca 94103 usa
> +1 415 436 9333 (voice)
> +1 415 436 9993 (fax)
> internet: ask@eff.org
>
> for the text of these court decisions and other related documents,
> see the relevant section of the internet world wide web site of
> the electronic frontier foundation at:
> http://www.eff.org/pub/censorship/scientology_cases/
>
> the electronic frontier foundation is a nonprofit public-interest civil
> liberties organization devoted to protecting privacy and free speech, and
> promoting responsibility, online.
>
> [the text of the rather different version that was published offline is
> available at:
> http://www.eff.org/pub/alerts/ssteele_eff_nyt_120995_cos.article
> on our www site.]
>
> ------------------------------
>
>
> subject: upcoming events
> ------------------------
>
> this schedule lists events that are directly eff-related. a much more
> detailed calendar of events likely to be of interest to our members and
> supporters is maintained at:
>
> ftp: ftp.eff.org, /pub/eff/calendar.eff
> gopher: gopher.eff.org, 1/eff, calendar.eff
> http://www.eff.org/pub/eff/calendar.eff
>
>
> jan. 17-
>      18 * innovation now; oregon convention center, portland oregon.
>           sponsored by american electronics association's oregon council,
>           et al.  speakers include eff chair of the board esther dyson.
>           url: http://www.innovationnow.org/
>
> ------------------------------
>
>
> subject: quote of the day
> -------------------------
>
> "it is not the function of our government to keep the citizen from falling
> into error; it is the function of the citizen to keep the government from
> falling into error."
>   - robert h. jackson (1892-1954), u.s. judge
>
> find yourself wondering if your privacy and freedom of speech are safe
> when bills to censor the internet are swimming about in a sea of of
> surveillance legislation and anti-terrorism hysteria?  worried that in
> the rush to make us secure from ourselves that our government
> representatives may deprive us of our essential civil liberties?
> concerned that legislative efforts nominally to "protect children" will
> actually censor all communications down to only content suitable for
> the playground?  alarmed by commercial and religious organizations abusing
> intellectual property law to stifle satire, dissent and criticism?
>
> join eff!
>
> even if you don't live in the u.s., the anti-internet hysteria will soon
> be visiting a legislative body near you.  if it hasn't already.
>
> ------------------------------
>
>
> subject: what you can do
> ------------------------
>
> * the communications decency act & other censorship legislation
>
> the communications decency act and similar legislation pose serious
> threats to freedom of expression online, and to the livelihoods of system
> operators.  the legislation also undermines several crucial privacy
> protections.
>
> business/industry persons concerned should alert their corporate govt.
> affairs office and/or legal counsel.  everyone should write to their own
> representatives and senators, and especially the conference committee
> members, asking them to oppose internet censorship legislation, and
> write to the conference committee members to support the reasonable
> approaches of leahy, klink, cox and wyden, and to oppose the
> unconstitutional proposals of exon, gorton and others.  urge them to
> ensure that system operators and others are not held liable for crimes they
> did not commit, that the fcc is barred from regulating the internet, and
> that *if* your congressperson is hell-bent on passing some restriction,
> any restriction, on the net, that he or she vote to pass only a
> "harmful to minors" or "obscenity" statute that is clear and constitutional,
> and condemn any unconstitutional national "indecency" standard.
> you may also wish to tell such legislators that if they vote for any
> internet censorship leglslation, you'll vote against them in the next
> election. see the first three articles in this newsletter for more detailed
> info.
>
> for more information on what you can do to help stop this and other
> dangerous legislation, see:
>
> ftp.eff.org, /pub/alerts/
> gopher.eff.org, 1/alerts
> http://www.eff.org/pub/alerts/
>
> if you do not have full internet access, send your request
> for information to ask@eff.org.
>
>
> * digital telephony/comms. assistance to law enforcement act
>
> the fbi is now seeking both funding for the dt/calea wiretapping provisions,
> and preparing to require that staggering numbers of citizens be
> simultaneously wiretappable.
>
> to oppose the funding, write to your own senators and representatives
> urging them to vote against any appropriations for wiretapping.
> to oppose the fbi's wiretapping capacity demands, see the fbi federal
> register notice at the end of the second article in this newsletter, which
> contains instructions on how to submit formal comments on the ludicrous
> and dangerous proposal.
>
>
> * anti-terrorism bills
>
> numerous bills threatening your privacy and free speech have been introduced
> this year.  none of them are close to passage at this very moment, but
> this status may change. urge your congresspersons to oppose these
> unconstitutional and big-brotherish bills.
>
>
> * the anti-electronic racketeering act
>
> this bill is unlikely to pass in any form, being very poorly drafted, and
> without much support.  however, the cda is just as bad and passed with
> flying colors [the jolly roger?] in the senate. it's better to be safe
> than sorry. if you have a few moments to spare, writing to, faxing, or
> calling your congresspersons to urge opposition to this bill is a good
> idea. if you only have time to do limited activism, please concentrate
> on the internet censorship legislation instead. that legislation is far more
> imminent that the aera.
>
>
> * medical privacy legislation
>
> several bills relating to medical privacy issues are floating in congress
> right now. urge your legislators to support only proposals that *truly*
> enhance the medical privacy of citizens.
>
> more information on this legislation will be available at
> http://www.eff.org/pub/privacy/medical/ soon.  bug mech@eff.org to make
> it appear there faster. :)
>
>
> * find out who your congresspersons are
>
> writing letters to, faxing, and phoning your representatives in congress
> is one very important strategy of activism, and an essential way of
> making sure your voice is heard on vital issues.
>
> eff has lists of the senate and house with contact information, as well
> as lists of congressional committees. (a house list is included in this
> issue of effector). these lists are available at:
> ftp.eff.org, /pub/activism/congress_cmtes/
> gopher.eff.org, 1/eff/issues/activism/congress_cmtes
> http://www.eff.org/pub/activism/congress_cmtes/
>
> the full senate and house lists are senate.list and hr.list, respectively.
> those not in the u.s. should seek out similar information about their
> own legislative bodies.  eff will be happy to archive any such
> information provided.
>
> if you are having difficulty determining who your representatives are,
> try contacting your local league of women voters, who maintain a great
> deal of legislative information, or consult the free zipper service
> that matches zip codes to congressional districts with about 85%
> accuracy at:
> http://www.stardot.com/~lukeseem/zip.html
>
>
> * join eff!
>
> you *know* privacy, freedom of speech and ability to make your voice heard
> in government are important. you have probably participated in our online
> campaigns and forums.  have you become a member of eff yet?  the best way to
> protect your online rights is to be fully informed and to make your
> opinions heard.  eff members are informed and are making a difference.  join
> eff today!
>
> for eff membership info, send queries to membership@eff.org, or send any
> message to info@eff.org for basic eff info, and a membership form.
>
> ------------------------------
>
>
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> =============
>
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date:         sun, 10 dec 1995 23:47:37 est
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subject:      nigc: net censorship explanation
x-cc:         kimberly hertz <hertz@tcm.org>

hi folks,

i just forwarded a very long message to the list. please take the
time to read it. it is an alert from the electronic frontier
foundation (eff) regarding the status of the telecomunications act and the
internet regulations contained within.

  to demonstrate that this is real, aol recently decided that some
words were too offensive to be used in their discussion rooms.
profiles which contained said words were deleted.  one such word,
"breast," caused a great deal of problems for aol when regulars on the
breast cancer support discussion group found their profiles had been
deleted....  ridiculous?  scary?  true?  all of the above, imho (except
the true part--that's just fact [nbc nightly news]).

read it with an open mind, then make an informed decision on where you
personally stand on the issue. please do not let others speak for you.
do not be complacent, no matter how you feel.

the eff is organizing a protest on tuesday dec 12th. if you feel
the call, please participate. the details are in the other post
along with phone numbers and names of relevant members of congress.

thanks for the patience with the nigc.

-- chris

        "jesse you can masturbate your mind,
         who decides what dirty words define.
         we must sink the censorship
         to find what truth is."

-- s. rutstein

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i thought tuesday's children what they called themselves before they becames
the girls, but i could have imagened that...

so it's not just from the nursery rhyme?

monday's child is fair of face
tuesday's child is full of grace
...etc...

hello!

for anyone who has not heard, i am auctioning off two indigo girl items.

1) handpainted rites of passage vinyl test pressing.
cover handpainted, signed, and dated by amy ray.

2) shades of indigo cd (purple cover)

if you are interested, please e-mail me privately and i will tell you all the
details. thanks.

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hello to everyone! we will be sending out a daemon records newsletter in
the next 24 hours so if you are interested and have not subscribed please
send email to 'majordomo@monsterbit.com' and in the body of the message
put 'subscribe daemonrecs-info'. the www site will be up by the end of
january 1996. hope you enjoy!

mellie price
monsterbit media

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subject:      absolutely, completely, totally, 100% nigc: i'm back.

well, if anyone noticed, i was gone from the list for a couple of
weeks... my teacher canceled my account and deleted all my mail, so if
any of you sent me mail recently i didn't see it. also, can anyone who
gets the digests forward them to me? i'm curious about what's happened on
this list since oh, nov. 28. thanks. :)

cran

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i saw the screen saver when i was in santa fe about 2 1/2 months ago but
didn't buy it then for lack of money. when i was in albuquerque a couple
weeks ago i asked at a software etc. store if they had the music video
screen savers, but the guy said they had had to send them all back
because of a defect or something! does anyone else who have the screen
saver know what this defect might be, and when (or if) it'll go on sale
again?

cran

i wrote this durnig 5th period a few days ago. let's just say i was
inspired... :)

i'm coming home with some books strapped onto my back
i'm coming home with a ton of homework turning my afternoon to black
i'm looking for a bit of time to do what's been assigned
i always wait till it's too late but it's always on my mind!
i have math and history, i even have biology
every class i take, all this homework's overwhelming me!
well i woke up at 7:45, scared i wouldn't get there on time
my mom said, "you need to go, you're late for school" - as if i didn't know!
i grabbed my books and went to class, got bored out of my mind
and all the teachers told me to do more work that they assigned!
i have math and history, i even have biology
every class i take, all this homework's overwhelming me!
now i'm reading this pile of books - and i'm writing an essay or two -
and i'm working - i'm trying to finish up, the time is after three,
don't bother me, let me be!
i wish i was a nomad, an indian, or a saint,
all these books would disappear, and i wouldn't have to faint,
i wish i was a nomad, an indian, or a saint.
give me lots of time, real good grades, and a key to harvard's gate!
i have math and history, i even have biology
every class i take, all this homework's overwhelming me!

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subject:      amy "interview" on daemon...

i picked up one of those free magazines on indie music over the weekend,
and there's a survey of indie label owners, asking them about what
they're doing/why they're doing it/what they like about it and what they
don't. anyway, the point is, one of the ones they've interviewed is the
woman herself, amy ray.
now, i haven't got a great deal of time on my plate just now (at least
not until wednesday or thursday), but if people would like me to post her
responses to the list i will do.
there's also a bit in the back of the magazine that says which music
stores in which states carry the magazine, so if you want to get a copy
yourself, i can try and tell you where to look.

anyway, bye for now,

rebecca.

(who can't believe the things you'll do in the name of procrastination).

*****************************************************************

hi all-
my server seems to have devoured my mail (in front of my very eyes), so if
anyone tried to mail me sunday, it's not that i'm rude, i just didn't
receive anything. also, could some kind soul send me sunday's messages if
possible?
sorry to waste bandwith,
bon

(hi, dwayne, whatcha been up to of late?)

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at 06:37 pm 12/10/95 -0700, benjamin slavin wrote:
>i've recently heard alot about dar williams and was wondering what she is
>like as a musician. the only time i've ever heard her is with joan baez
>on her new live cd. it's a great song! but anyway, how many albums does
>she have out and are they worth obtaining?
>ben

dar is an incredible musician from the east coast.  (chapiqua , ny)  she has
one cd out so far (that i know of0 called the honesty room.  it, imo, is
over produced, but fun nontheless.  defiantely worth it!  see her if you
can.  perhaps tomowwow i will dig out my tour schedule and post it for all...

she does have a new cd coming out soon.

yippee!!!

peace..
pamela

tell me why this won't go through?

i wanna come back........................................................:)

love
rob
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subject:      the ultimate cover version

my christmas card to the list

how about amy doing kd laing's "sexuality"
my screen is just about to melt at the thought :) :)

happy hols y'all, back on the 'plane now

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reply-to:     lisa grandjean <lisag@charity.trinityvt.edu>
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from:         lisa grandjean <lisag@charity.trinityvt.edu>
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subject:      re: the ultimate cover version
x-to:         maggie wheeler <maggiew@singnet.com.sg>, maggiew@singnet.com.sg

the best christmas card would be the cover of strange fire only
instead of oak trees, they could put christmas trees on the cover!
i"m thinking of making photocopies of the cover and using it as a
christmas card to send to all of my friends with lyrics to be
attached! i wonder what traditions amy and emily have at christmas!

well, i'm here in finals land still waiting for a little of galileo's
insight. i'm sure he's busy or something! i've decided who i will be
with the $18,000 a year i'm paying here at trinity. i'm going to be
salem, princess of beer. who will be my prince? peasants? we could
have a play and sing ig songs.
i can't believe i lived sixteen years of my life without these
females involved in some significant way! the last two years have
been an emotional rollercoaster for me, and i just don't know how i
would have survived without them!
you guys are the greatest friends! i mean friends, not strangers.
i don't think any of us are strangers. we are people who share a
common bond. this one common bond will last forever like ourselves in
one way, shape, or form. my children will be fortunate enough to
experience this magical bliss we call the indigo girls. to me, they
aer the queens of night vision, the queens of insight!
thaks for allowing me to get this off my chest. i'm just very
thankful for everything i have in my life right now, and i know soon,
someone very special in my life will be departing from it physically
on saturday.
lisa

ok, here is my holiday gift to y'all so you can #indigo-girls with:

>>great idea!  so great, in fact, that someone thought of it a long time
>>ago.. ;)  look for kidfears, piquet, uglybass, and everyone else now and
>>again on #indigo-girls..  :)

>> -jude (aka peacefrog)

the following is reprinted without permission from netguide magazine aug
1995. everybody's talking at me by daniel akst

it's in two parts since my e-mail provider will only let me send 6k bites at
a time :) i mean, like i could barely get into a conversation on 6k!

*******************
so what if you've been using your internet account to send e+mail or access
gopher and the world-wide web; you haven't had the complete net experience
till you've gotten a handle on irc. short for internet relay chat, irc is the
net equivalent of cb radio. but unlike cb, internet relay chat lets people
all over the world participate in real-time conversations.  as in life and cb
radio, not all those chatters have something inter<esting to say, but some
do, and many people have developed lasting friendships through irc.  in fact,
some people have become so addicted to chatting on the internet that there's
a usenet newsgroup entitled alt.irc.recovery.  the value of irc depends on
how you use it. irc can keep you company when you can't sleep, con<tribute to
family togetherness and cut your phone bill.  it also can expose you to
unpleasant behavior. chat can get wild and woolly, and anyone (male or
female) who takes on a female persona is likely to be hit on. some users also
engage in mean-spirited acts, such as telling first-timers to type in
commands that mess up their computers. although you can protect yourself
easily from most mischief that occurs on irc, there's really nobody beyond
fellow ircers to complain to if you don't like what's happening. a good rule
of thumb: don't listen to anybody who tells you to type something you don't
understand, and be cautious about giving out your mailing address or
arranging to get together in person with someone you've just met online.

unlike the world-wide web, which first-time users can pick up quickly,
internet relay chat may seem difficult the first time you log on. once you've
mastered a few basic commands, however, irc becomes easy to use.

logging on

if you have an internet account that you access from a command line, just
type irc and chances are you'll be connected. if you run client software on
your own machine, you need to connect to an irc server. my account provider,
netcom, has its own, at irc.netcom.com. (we'll as<sume for now that you're
working from a command line.) once you're logged on, the first thing you'll
want to do is choose a nickname; everyone on irc uses one. say you decide to
call yourself snowbird. just type /nick snowbird on the command line. note
the / before the command; all irc commands begin with the forward slash.

finding a channel

on irc, all the chatting occurs on "channels," just like on a cb radio.
there are some more or less permanent channels, but others come and go. when
i logged onto irc on a recent sunday afternoon, netcom informed me that 2,348
channels were available. it would be great if you could get a list of all
those channels containing only the witty and wise, but you can't. instead,
you have to use the list command, which lists all public channels, the number
of users on each and a topic description for those that provide it. (i
suggest setting your telecommunications software to capture, so that when
this huge list comes in you can open it with a text editor or word processor
and scroll or search at will.) since you'll mainly be interested in active
channels, you can limit the list only to those with, say, five or more users,
as follows:

/list -min 5

you'll also notice that virtually all channels begin with #. one popular and
longstanding channel, for instance, is #hottub. if yon decide to wade in,
just type: /join #hottub and voila, you're in. type in some greetings and
you'll see them appear on the screen, along with whatever everyone else
types. you'll probably feel lost at first, since you're popping in on a
conversation that's already in progress. in fact, several conversations may
be going on at once.

action commands

you'll notice dialogue, but you'll also encounter what might be called
"actions." a line might come over saying "sylvester blushes deeply." you can
enter a similar expression by using the simple command /me, as follows: /me
heaves a weary sigh

it will appear on screen to all as "snowbird heaves a weary sigh."

(continued)................................

switching channels

when you're bored with #hottub, you can join another channel (type /join and
then the name of the channel) or simply leave (type /leave #hottub).

but don't feel compelled to leave because someone in the hot tub is being a
real pain. you can instead give the /ignore command, as in:

/ignore sylvester all

if sylvester changes his nickname to tweety and keeps up, use /whois tweety
to find out that his real user id is dummy@netprovider.com. now, you can use
/ignore dummy@netprovider.com all and get rid of him for good.

private channels

or if you want to speak to sylvester privately, you can use the /msg command
as follows:

/msg sylvester

what do you say we go off to our own little channel for a while?

then type /join snowbird to establish a channel called snowbird (assuming it
doesn't exist already). you can make your private channel "by invitation
only," kick people off and so forth, because you're the channel operator.
use /help for assistance with these /mode commands ++ and any other command
you want more info about.

serendipity is great, but in my view, private channels are on of the handiest
things about irc.   if you're in new york and your college roommates are in
boston, dallas and seattle, you can make an irc date, set up an irc channel,
and even use /notify to be informed when they log onto irc so you can /invite
them into your private channel.  aside from meeting new people then, irc is
also good for saving on phone bills, holding conferences or practicing a
foreign language.  just beware.  you, too, could become a candidate for
alt.irc.recover.  even nice people can get hooked. :)

commands: here are some basic irc commands (many must be followed by a
specific nickname, or can be modified by various parameters). all are
preceded by a forward slash:

nick: changes your nickname list: lists all channels join: joins or
establishes a channel me: displays the action you type whois: shows user id
behind a nickname msg: sends a private message leave: leaves a channel help:
gets help on commands help intro: gets an introduction to irc

slang: irc chatters often abbreviate frequently used expressions. here are a
few of the most common (and least obvious):

re-     hello again, i'm back
brb-    be right back
bbl-    be back later
bbiaf-  be back in a few minutes
ttly-   talk to you later
oic-    oh, i see!
imho-   in my humble opinion
lol-    lots of laughs

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i've also noticed something similar at the end of "least complicated".
amy is saying something like "well, that's the way i feel..ect...".
good luck on your finals.
ben

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on mon, 11 dec 1995, maggie wheeler wrote:

>         my christmas card to the list
>
>         how about amy doing kd laing's "sexuality"
>         my screen is just about to melt at the thought :) :)
>
>                 happy hols y'all, back on the 'plane now
>

well, okay....this may just be me....but kd's name is spelled
kd lang... it's a great idea though.
i think that kd and amy should sing it together...
sorry...i just had to correct the spelling of the third goddess' name

jamie

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reply-to:     sharon jennings <rcxsj@unix.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk>
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from:         sharon jennings <rcxsj@unix.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk>
subject:      re: ig screen saver

>okay, here's my point, does anyone know of a mac-friendly version? and if so,
>where could i possibly find it??? any help would be appreciated!

i got in contact with the sony wesite awhile back and they said that the
mac versions would be release early in the new year.

sharon

ok- here is the deal on "christians and the pagans".

it is a holiday 3 song disk. it contains christians and the pagans (version
that wikl appear on her new cd mortal city) plus two other tracks which will
not be on her new cd. 1- solo live version of "travelling again" and a
simple, haunting rendition of the richard shindell song, "nora" (which dar
recorded at cliff eberhardt's house this fall.

the cd is $7- or if you also orde the honesty room, you can get this cd for $5.

how to get it?

call razor & tie... 1-800-443-3555. this will not appear in stores and will
not be repressed after the holidays.

she will be touring in ma, nh, ri, ny. vt, mi & nj between now and 1/28...
if you want some dates, email me personally.

(i got all this info off a postcard i was sent after joining her snail mail
list after seeing her (amazing) in santa monica, ca!!

peace...
pamela

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subject:      re: the ultimate cover version

>i think that kd and amy should sing it together...

interesting thread...

what national act would you like to see ig perform with and what
would you have them play?

1.  ani difranco...the million that you never made (amy)
2.  tanita tikaram...deliver me (a&e)
3.  dave matthews band...rhyme & reason a la god in heaven (for indigboy:)

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subject:      dead man's hill

does anyone know why amy says, "all skate. now reverse," at the
begining of dead man's hill?

anna

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subject:      re: the ultimate cover version

> what national act would you like to see ig perform with and what
> would you have them play?

julie miller - all my tears be washed away - amy

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subject:      re: stones in amy's songs
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  i don't know if  this has any correlation to amy's lyrics, but thought
i'd mention it anyway.  during wwii, there were over 300 concentration
camps all over europe. anyway, at one that i visited, there was this
place  with about 200 steps that were made of stone by the prisoners, and
every day, all day, they had to carry up the stairs, huge stone blocks that
were
strapped on their backs with the assistance of only a wooden board.  when
they got too weak to carry their stone, they were executed.  i think of
this when i hear that song and i think of the pressure the victims must
have felt.   (mauthausen, austria for those who are wondering.)

on tue, 5 dec 1995, lorinda wright wrote:

> ok, let's talk about rocks...i mean stones. the biggest reference is of course
> wf:
>
> i'm coming home with a stone strapped onto my back.
> i'm coming home with a burning hope turning all my blues to black.
> i'm looking for a sacred hand to carve into my stone.
> a ghost of comfort, angels breath to keep this life inside my chest.
>
>
> so far you've all used the stone as a reference to something negative,
> (pergatory.) but i don't see it that way here. i agree that the stone on her
> back could refer to a burden, but i've also always gotten a more positive feel
> from it. i'm thinking more along the lines of the stone being a reference to
> earth/grounding. some basic part of her, or her connection to the earth, or
> some central, basic aspect of herself that she builds other things onto. (i'm
> sorta fishing here, so bear with me.) if you exchange the word "burden" for
> "stone" in both places above, it seems to fit, but i don't think it's such a
> negative thing. we all have burdens, but not necessarily bad ones. just all of
> our experiences, beliefs, etc. maybe i'm not making any sense. i don't know.
> hopefully amy wouldn't be laughing at me too hard right now. :)
>
> folkisgruven,
> lorindigo
>     i           will            not        be               complacent
>  lorinda wright           "learn to pretend there's more than love that
>  lw01@lehigh.edu           matters. -e.s.
>  lehigh university         "the apathy of time laughs in my face
>  bethlehem, pa             you say each life has its place. -e.s.
>     i           will            not         be              complacent
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another one i'd love to see........

sarah mclachlan's ice and amy

"i don't care, cause sometimes, i hear my voice and it's been
silent all these years" -tori amos

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i would love to have the girls sing teach your children well by
corsby, stills and nash or i'd love to hear them sing hard day's
night!
lisa

how about sarah mclaughlin's possession?

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how about the indigo girls and melissa etheridge doing something loud
(okay, this is an obvious combination, but i'd still like to see it) such
as "bring me some water", "romeo and juliet", "your little secret",
"chickenman", etc.

sigh-o-joy

amanda

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amen, sue.
great song.
ever hear the acoustic version of "fear"? wonderful stuff without the
weird orchestration.....

on mon, 11 dec 1995, sue harney wrote:

> how about sarah mclaughlin's possession?
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this occurs at the beginning of touch me fall, not dead man's hill... it
should make more sense now, but that's probably me being a little arrogant
because it makes sense to me. :) i'll let it sink in, and if anyone has
any discussion on this, i would love to hear it! tmf is one of my faves
because it's a "thrash out of control" song and sometimes i need that...
especially since it's finals week! ;) btw, i still haven't fingered one
song about my life... it's not fair!!!! i'll live though.

wishing i was "leaving...."
just one of the girls,
mindigo

right, here it is:
the magazine title is 'the new review of records', there's no date, but
it's vol.2, no.si...

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
daemon records was started in decatur, ga in 1989 by indigo girl amy ray
as a not-for-profit vehicle in support of the arts. the label is her way
of reinvesting in the underground music scene. artists include band de
soleil, james hall, and kristenhall.

1)at what point did you decide to become a label owner for the long haul?
i was always in it for the long haul, but i have often questioned my
ability to run a label and be an indigo girl at the same time. i take it
one day at a time.

2)how do you maintain the balance between the music appreciation/artist
side of your job and the business side?

i will always run my label from a creative freedom perspective.
it's not hard to find a balance mentally, but time and spiritual energy
are hard to manage because both sides of the business are demanding.
i've learned important lessons from both sides.

3)what do you hate about your work?

slack distribution has been a major hurdle. i've changed
distributors three times and finally feel at home with my new people
(koch). i also hate the recently developed problem of having to buy
co-op ads just to get your records in the stores!

4)what do you love about your work?

i love music and motivating artists to get their shit together and
put out good music.

5)what role do you see indies playing in the future?

it's important for indie lables to remain _independent_. i
understand the need to join a major to survive, but in the spirit of the
underground, we need small labels. hopefully, indie labels can influence
majors without being exploited by them.

amy ray

the list of places that stock the magazine is a tad too long to post here
(and i'm sure there's little point in listing all 5 stockists in
alabama), but if you want to get a copy, e-mail me where you live, and
i'll look it up....

rebecca.

who is feeling 'apt' in her 'dig the underground' daemon t-shirt....
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thanks for the help! wow, everyone is just the same! glad to be back!
take care
rob

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on mon, 11 dec 1995, benjamin slavin wrote:

> i've also noticed something similar at the end of "least complicated".
> amy is saying something like "well, that's the way i feel..ect...".

i noticed that too, been meaning to ask about it but you beat me to it. :)
what i heard was "feel it...yeah...you don't wanna" but beyond that i
can't understand what she's saying.

cran

just a quick note about irc. most of the ig fans on irc have moved over to
the network of servers that end in dal.net. here is are a couple of the
ones in the us and the uk that people can use:

irc.dal.net (
uncc.dal.net (us--east coast)
igc.dal.net
liberator.dal.net (uk)

you can use everything that was in the how to irc note that judith sent out
just the same on dalnet...the only difference is which servers are connected
together.

hope to see you on the net!

jack
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on mon, 11 dec 1995, judith k. hunter wrote:

> re-     hello again, i'm back
> brb-    be right back
> bbl-    be back later
> bbiaf-  be back in a few minutes
> ttly-   talk to you later
> oic-    oh, i see!
> imho-   in my humble opinion
> lol-    lots of laughs

um, i hate to nitpick, but i've always heard that lol means laughing out
loud. same idea anyway. :)

cran (who wishes she could irc right now, from this account it's totally
forbidden)

ok, maybe i'm just not as good a fan as some, but i really see no connection. i'm
glad that someone else had the courage to ask this, because i was afraid that maybe i was
simply being stupid. well, it looks as though i was. if you all have some insight on this
why not just post it and not waste others time by simply stating that you know it all.

erica

in a message dated 95-12-11 18:25:18 est, amanda wrote:

>how about the indigo girls and melissa etheridge doing something loud
>(okay, this is an obvious combination, but i'd still like to see it) such
>as "bring me some water", "romeo and juliet", "your little secret",
>"chickenman", etc

actually they have played together several years ago in california. melissa
sang back up on kid fears and then they all sang a fabulous version of
summertime.

tori

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so all.. now that the excitement of the release is starting to subside its
time to start thinkin about our favorite atlanta punk (?) band agian :))

saw them play **3** times last week! boy oh boy was i *excited*!!!! on
tuesday they played at the hard rock cafe in front of a bunch of people
eating dinner.. *grin* great dinner music :))

on thursday they, and we, celebrated lead singer cooper seay's birthday at
the dark horse tavern.. the show lasted for about an hour and a half with
many highlights :))

saturday was a show at the cotton club.. they opened for 3 lb thrill..

as of now their schedule is this:

16 dec scrap bar
17 dec crazy horse saloon *tentative*
30 dec the otherside

(all three in atlanta)

also-- remember to check out thier page::

http://monsterbit.com/vld/vld.html

order their cd::: viva la diva's greatest hits, vol 1

subscribe to their internet mailing list:: majordomo@monsterbit.com
subscribe viva la diva

rememember their emai::: vivaladiva@monsterbit.com

and if all else fails.. yes, rainy day has it :)) 1-800-636-6166 :))

*smile*
brooke
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warped.. manufactured by the millions.. bought and sold and easily lost..."
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will rise.. you see me return.. in what i am..."
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hi all,

just thought i'd let you know that sister ruby records (the same label
that put out the dylan tribute cds) has just released volume 3 of their
christmas music cd series: "christmas present."

here are the track listings for all three volumes (in reverse
chronological order):

christmas present volume 3
--------------------------
kelly hogan                     rockin around the christmas tree
babyfat                         gee whiz, it's christmas
the lizard men                  frosty the snowman
smoke                           little drummer boy
the vidalias                    santa looked a lot like daddy
radiant city                    heat miser/snow miser
gerard mchugh                   god rest ye merry gentlemen
reversing hour                  o holy night
gracie moon (yay!!!)            white christmas
jewrmans                        o du frohliche!
the continentals                let it snow, let it snow, let it snow
family mover                    jesus christ
trio nocturna                   what child is this?
the gold sparkle band           we three kings

christmas present volume 2
--------------------------
surfside seven                  nutrocker
anne richmond boston            christmas (baby please come home)
shawn mullins w/david patterson the christmas song
big fish ensemble               christmas
hootie and the blowfish         christmas this year
doll squad                      merry xmas (i don't want to fight tonight)
engine                          listen the snow is falling
kristen hall                    i'll be home for christmas
stevie t.                       blue christmas
dew                             we three kings
the backyard swings             i believe in father christmas
steamrollers                    merry christmas baby
scott roberts                   nothing but a child
ottoman empire                  feliz navidad

christmas present 1992 (first volume)
----------------------
andrew hyra & kristian bush     the first noel
  (aka billy pilgrim)
donkey                          do you hear what i hear
catbird seat                    silver bells
uncle green                     have yourself a merry little christmas
daisy                           father christmas
face of concern                 river
vigilantes of love              angels from the realms of glory
tommy rivers                    run rudolph run
seven simons                    silver and gold
mighty fine slabs               please come home for christmas
eddie owen & kelly mercadante   i wonder as i wander
michelle malone                 happy christmas
splendor                        merry christmas darling
mark reynolds                   silent night

these are all limited edition pressings of 1000 each.  apparently there
are very limited quantities available of the first two volumes.  you can
get them by writing to sister ruby records at p.o. box 450266, atlanta,
ga 31145.  they're $12 each + $2 postage.

i'm not sure if perry at rdr has them in stock... amy p.?

peace,
lori

hey phil- e-mail me if you are on this list. i wanted to ask you some
stuff about tbosf from indicated2 talk to you later love, katie :-) ><}}}'>

cr>does anyone know why amy says, "all skate. now reverse," at the
cr>begining of dead man's hill?

hi y'all just wanted to make a correction. amy says that at the
beginning of "touch me fall", not "dead man's hill".
i don't know why she says it.. i'd like to know too, if anyone has
a clue.

indigo/dianne/tuesday's child

i'd really love to hear indigo girls do three dog night's "shambala." "i can
tell my brother by the flowers in his eyes/i can tell my sister by the flowers
in her eyes." to me, kinda like the sentiments in "get together."
rustyr
cyber-peace sign

hi y'all,

first of all, a return to chickenman interpretations. i still don't know
where amy got the name 'chickenman' from, but here's a possibility. i
recently bought springsteen's 'nebraska' album (one of 20 for a pound each,
from a library's closing down sale). if you don't know it, it's some
springsteen fans' favourite and most fans' most hated (a bit like rem fans
and 'fables of the reconstruction'). the other bit of trivia, before i get
to the point, is that it also contains 'state trooper', covered by the
cowboy junkies on their 'whites off earth now' album).

ok, ok ... my point is, the song 'atlantic city' starts with the line

'well they blew up the chicken man in philly last night now they blew up
his house too'

was this the source of the name? the song, mysteriously, makes no further
reference to this chicken man. odd.

a while ago, i rashly leapt to jerry marotta's defence by citing the intro
to three hits. i still say jerry marotta is a great drummer and only adds
to the quality of 'rites of passage', but er ... he doesn't play on three
hits.

the intro to three hits has bodhran played by donal lunny and then (i
think) kettle drum played by budgie (of souxie and the banshees). i still
think it's an amazingly good start to the album. no brownie badges to you
detail-mongers for not spotting that one. you should know these sleeve
notes by heart ;)

hope this gives some of you some food for thought, anyways.

johnd

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>>does anyone know why amy says, "all skate. now reverse," at the
>>begining of dead man's hill?

>hi y'all just wanted to make a correction. amy says that at the
>beginning of "touch me fall", not "dead man's hill".
>i don't know why she says it.. i'd like to know too, if anyone has
>a clue.

it was something that the band "mrs. fun" used to say and amy liked it so
she used it. if you look in the songbook there is a photograph of the band
taken by amy.... and you can also find them on the album credits.

sharon

>in a message dated 95-12-11 18:25:18 est, amanda wrote:

>>how about the indigo girls and melissa etheridge doing something loud
>>(okay, this is an obvious combination, but i'd still like to see it) such
>>as "bring me some water", "romeo and juliet", "your little secret",
>>"chickenman", etc
>
>actually they have played together several years ago in california. melissa
>sang back up on kid fears and then they all sang a fabulous version of
>summertime.
>
>tori

and i have a way cool photograph of melissa and amy playing guitar together
at that show! (amy putnam...did you take that photo? <s>)

-sheri (sstanley@infinet.com)

in the nothing of my silence is a sad-eyed little girl
on a tightrope she is singing as she passes through this world.
-lucy kaplansky / the tide-

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subject:      irc book- one of our own

don't know if its been mentioned yet, but one of our very own
list members has put out a book called: using internet relay chat
que/mcmillian books. retails for 19.99. its everything you'd ever
wanna know about irc and then some.

trinket

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attention all contributors to indicated iii:

i am also compiling a tape of instrumental versions of ig songs.  if you are
easily able to record your song minus the vocals, please do so and include it on
your submission to me.  the music should be reasonably close to the ig version.
this tape is for those who want to have sing-along versions of ig songs.  i will
most probably make it available to the general public along with indicated iii.

the deadline for indicated iii submittals is still january 31. a word of
warning: do not wait until the last minute! this is not like a final exam!
dr. sticka will give you a failing grade if you do not comply.

rob

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from cmbecker@space.mit.edu mon dec 11 17:55:57 1995
from: christopher m. becker <cmbecker@space.mit.edu>
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>
> >i think that kd and amy should sing it together...
>
> interesting thread...
>
> what national act would you like to see ig perform with and what
> would you have them play?

very interesting, and hard....

  how about, amy, emily, paul simon, and art garfunkel doing american
tune?  we know what a&e do with it (b&j newport 89-90 disc) and we
know what s&g would do with it (concert in the park -- absoultely
incredible).  puttng those 4 voices together---wow!

after they were done with american tune, they should then do
fugitive in 4 part harmony.

-- chris

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from indigboy@rci.rutgers.edu mon dec 11 18:28:03 1995
date: mon, 11 dec 95 18:27:54 est
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is ani difranco considered a national act?

1. hootie & the blowfish... any of their songs, because they are all so
wonderful. (yeah right, that one was for lauree)

2. the pogues... can't think of the name of the song, but it has the line,
"you scumbag, you maggot, you cheap irish faggot", or something like that.
it is a love song and not intended to be homophobic, but i am sure that it
can be construed that way.

3. green day... anything that amy can really rock on.

4. violent femmes... blister in the sun is always fun, or kiss off, or out
the window, or american music, or hey nonny nonny

5. hole... not!!! only if amy and emily beat the crap out of courtney with
their guitars.

6. melissa etheridge... like the way i do

7. bruce springsteen... no surrender, darkness on the edge of town, or
anything off of nebraska

8. bonnie raitt... jody & chico

9. bob dylan and/or neil young... anything & everything, esp. mama you've
been on my mind (dylan), don't think twice you're alright (dylan),
powderfinger (young), and cortez the killer (young)

10. jerry garcia & kurt cobain... jesus don't want me for a sunbeam

this is just a few possibilities... i could go on all day. but i won't

let it grow

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okay...i can get into this irc channel....but it wont let me become a new
member...it keeps saying my login is incorrect...please help me if you
can........sincerely.....jamie......ps ani is most definatley a national
act...!!

"i don't care, cause sometimes, i hear my voice and it's been
silent all these years" -tori amos

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subject:      re: viva la diva.. some more :))

>tuesday they played at the hard rock cafe in front of a bunch of people
>eating dinner.. *grin* great dinner music :))

you're not kidding...talk about music to get indigestion by :)) sounds
like the ultimate bourgie gig :(

> ".. my heart it feels like a crusifix.. plastic molded and easily
>warped.. manufactured by the millions.. bought and sold and easily lost..."
> -cris mcguire

"bought and sold and used and lost"...or does chris change the lyric when
she sings it live?

>30 dec the otherside

bummer...catbird seat is playing their last gig ever at eddie's the same
night. sounds like it's gonna be a busy night.

does anyone know if mary fortune express has any dates scheduled in atlanta
around new year's?

mandatory ig content:

1. emily sings great backup on two songs on the latest catbird seat cd
"fair tales and songs..."

2. rob griffin's guitar style reminds me a lot of emily's

lauree

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>2. the pogues... can't think of the name of the song, but it has the line,
>"you scumbag, you maggot, you cheap irish faggot", or something like that.
>it is a love song and not intended to be homophobic, but i am sure that it
>can be construed that way.

the song is fairytale of new york, and the line is "you scumbag, you maggot,
you cheap lousy faggot".   i think that line is sung by kirsty maccoll, but
only after shane macgowan says to her "you're a bum, you're a punk, you're
an old whore on junk".
>
>3.  green day... anything that amy can really rock on.
>
>4.  violent femmes...  blister in the sun is always fun, or kiss off, or out
>the window, or american music, or hey nonny nonny
>
>5.  hole... not!!!  only if amy and emily beat the crap out of courtney with
>their guitars.

what, out of courtney herself? or her music? it's not difficult to beat
the crap out of that.

>6. melissa etheridge... like the way i do
>
>7. bruce springsteen... no surrender, darkness on the edge of town, or
>anything off of nebraska

definitely!

<snip>
>10. jerry garcia & kurt cobain... jesus don't want me for a sunbeam

did they do this together? i wouldn't mind hearing this version, never
mind ig covering it. i wouldn't mind hearing them cover come as you are.

mat
mts5@aber.ac.uk

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i would just like to say that i realize that the quote is at the
begining of touch me fall. for some reason i was thinking dead man's
hill when i wrote the post. probably because i had been listening to
it earlier.

anna

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on mon, 11 dec 1995, benjamin slavin wrote:

> i've also noticed something similar at the end of "least complicated".
> amy is saying something like "well, that's the way i feel..ect...".

i noticed that too, been meaning to ask about it but you beat me to
it. :)
what i heard was "feel it...yeah...you don't wanna" but beyond that i
can't understand what she's saying.

cran

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i think it's two separate lines emily saything "that's the way i've
been feeling" and then amy replying "yeah but you don't want to
tell everybody" a few words seem to be swallowed up.
i only think this because i turned it up so loud my ears rang for
days. it's easier to hear on the cassette than the cd and my car
speakers will never be the same...deb

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there is a story behind chickenman. on the road the girls stopped by a
junkyard where there was a dirty yet profound man. apparently he really
inspired amy and she wrote a song about him. emily was in the back of the
bus sleeping so she didn't get a chance to meet him. anyway, outside of
this mans' dump there was a large sign made of metal that said
"chickenman" . this was his nickname. so that's the story behind
the song.

i think a duet of amy ray and sophie b. hawkins performing "damn,
i wish i was your lover" would make my finals week a heck of a lot better.

angie
shehulk@leland.stanford.edu

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subject:      songs, newport, ect...

ok, songs i would love to hear covered

amy doing ani defranco's "untouchable face",
blood and fire ->"sorry i am" -> blood and fire..
(that is a segue into ani's song then finishing b&f)

tmf->"black (pearl jam) -> down by the river...

(both doing that)

emily doing k. hall's "safe and warm" or "chicago 5 am"
(thinking...you know how phish does a complete album as a "musical costume"
live on halloween...well what if a+e did like "nebraska" or
sinead's first album...

ohhh -- amy doing suzanne vega's wooden horse, or emily doing night
visions..

btw when is newport 96? 8/10-11/96? if so i think i can make it because my
committment to go on vacation has been shortened...

mike r.

i thought someone recently posted that me and ig don't get along at all?!

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i don't know who the real chickenman is, but, at the resaurant i work, there
is this little old man who comes in at 2:40 every afternoon, and in his tiny
little voice, always orders chicken... i always smile to myself...
chickenman, chickenman hold, my hand...

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on tue, 12 dec 1995, angie wrote:

> i think a duet of amy ray and sophie b. hawkins performing "damn,
> i wish i was your lover" would make my finals week a heck of a lot better.
>
this isn't quite the same thing, but sophie b. hawkins and melissa
etheridge did a wonderful duet of that song on "vh1 duets" a couple of
weeks ago.

amanda

>
>
> angie
> shehulk@leland.stanford.edu
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subject:      cover

> after they were done with american tune, they should then do
> fugitive in 4 part harmony.

i think *anything* they did in four part harmony would be great!
acappella in four parts (or more) rules!! :)

anna

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> >5. hole... not!!! only if amy and emily beat the crap out of courtney with
> >their guitars.
>
> what, out of courtney herself? or her music? it's not difficult to beat
> the crap out of that.

why not both? kill two birds with one stone, and all that....

anna

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> and i have a way cool photograph of melissa and amy playing guitar together
> at that show! (amy putnam...did you take that photo? <s>)
>

nope... twasnt me. while i have taken photos of melissa and amy
separately at their own shows, i didnt see any of the shows (was
there in fact more than one?) where they played together.

i'd love to see ig sing with vertical horizon (a.k.a. indigo guys: strangely
enough, it seems that the label "indigo guys" is used by people who don't
like vh very much. i found it to be most complimentary... i guess those
people don't like ig too much either, which indicates that those who do like
ig probably would like vh as well)
the only problem with this is that i don't think vh would get the chance; not
cool enough and all that.

alex

is vertical horizon nationally recognized, or just a local
d.c./virginia/maryland band??

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i'm glad you're bored, cuz i am too.  but your letter can't even begin to
compare with mine!  i am the supreme ruler of boredom!  all will hail me in my
kingdom of boringness, where the cities are so boring anyone who sees it falls
asleep on sight.  after you've seen my city and fallen asleep, i'll make you
look very interesting so you won't be boring anymore.  ha ha ha!  people will
then finally recognize me as the most boring person on the face of the earth.
then i'll paint the world black and grey with my void of emotion and destroy
the planet with dullness.  you'll stand out like a beacon in your interesting
clothes and cool looking hair, which'll stay that way eternally because i'll
have put my one interesting spell on you.  people will flock to you like
you're some kind of savior, born to rescue them from my drab kingdom.  but
they'll find that though you appear to be colorful, your mind is just as
desolate as mine, and as you're ripped apart, limb from limb by the angered
mob, i will watch with a look of boredom  on my face, because that's all
you'll ever really be.

-by rob

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date:         tue, 12 dec 1995 12:46:51 -0800
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subject:      re: (nigc) atlanta artists xmas cds
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just got off the phone with perry.  sister ruby told him that
vol 2 is not available.  vol 1 is available but he is out of stock
right now, but thinks he can get more.  he has lots of vol 3.
perry also says that sister ruby's mail order is not as reliable
as you might want for the holidays.  if you want it before christmas,
you might want to try rainy day records.  (he isnt just saying
this to plug to his business..he is speaking from experience with
working with sister ruby).

that number again is 1-800-636-6166;.

thanks for all of those details, lori!

sh> i think a duet of amy ray and sophie b. hawkins performing "damn,
sh>i wish i was your lover" would make my finals week a heck of a lot better.

sh>angie
sh>shehulk@leland.stanford.edu

oh my god yes! i would expire on the spot from sheer pleasure to hear
that.

here's another one that i could die listening to.

either amy or emily (not sure which would sound better) or both maybe,
singing joan armatrading's "weakness in me".

indigo/dianne/tuesday's child

"if you want to know the secret behind a smile you've got to ask a
tuesday's child."

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i'd pay to see amy beat the crap out of courtney love, then she could deal
with that foo-fighter schmuck as an afterthought

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>ok, songs i would love to hear covered
>
>amy doing ani defranco's "untouchable face",
>blood and fire ->"sorry i am" -> blood and fire..
>(that is a segue into ani's song then finishing b&f)
>
i'm sure ani wouldn't like that; she considers song-writing to be a form of
expression, and thinks cover versions are pointless.

mat
mts5@aber.ac.uk

   "[the priest] said that if you have to work for anyone, an
        absentee boss is best."
           - jeannette winterson, "the passion"

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hi!  my college is trying to get ig to come and play at the inauguration
of our 17th president next may.  since we are the oldest women's college
in the country and in the middle of western mass, we seem to be an
appealing option, or so says their management.  also, we expect lots of
press, so that's nice for them too.  someone at ig management--the people
at mhc i talked to couldn't remember who--said that the girls might be
touring again next spring.  has anyone else heard anything about this?  i
was most surprised.

margaret

hey everybody, did y'all (excuse me, you all...) get an introductory
email from the new daemon records e-list, or just those of us who
requested to be on their email list? (i can't remember but don't doubt
that i emailed a subscription at some point in the last few
months... thanks for remembering me, mellie!)

i guess i'm looking to see if any of you did *not* get it, because if
you didn't i should at least forward the paragraph that amy wrote to the
list. they also say they'll be mailing us the story of daemon as told
by owner amy.

if you'd like to subscribe, send a message to 'majordomo@monsterbit.com'
with 'subscribe daemonrecs-info' in the body of the message.

at any rate, i was amused to see amy write:

"........................................and...if you're a surfer
the web site will be up in jan/feb...it's an exciting time for
technoheads everywhere. thanks a lot all you beasts. peace. amy"

heheheheheh, knowing how amy loves her critters and beasties, i feel
quite honored and loved to be counted among them!

take care, *ahem* you all |]
naz

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on tue, 12 dec 1995, amy j. putnam wrote:

> just got off the phone with perry.  sister ruby told him that
> vol 2 is not available.  vol 1 is available but he is out of stock
> right now, but thinks he can get more.  he has lots of vol 3.

well, if anyone desperately wants volume 2, i know of a place that has a
couple in stock -- same price as the mail order -- $12.

so, if volume 2's the one you want, e-me privately and i'll go get one
for ya. :)

--lori
llevy03@emory.edu

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subject:      shows at the bottomline (nigc)

for people who like all that is folk, christine lavin and the other three
bitchin' babes will be at the bottom line in nyc, and dar williams and john
gorka will also be putting shows on there in dec and jan. great venue to see
anyone in (although i must say that joan baez and ig were extra special there
:)
mc

from mryclrk@eden.rutgers.edu tue dec 12 16:43:10 1995
date: tue, 12 dec 95 16:42:55 est
from: mary clark <mryclrk@eden.rutgers.edu>
to: lauree shampine <shampine@ll.mit.edu>
subject: re: cover tunes wannabes
content-length: 315

huh huh, hey lauree, think you could do me a favor? i'm too e-mail ignorant
to know how to send thelast message i sent you to the whole list as well, so
i was wondering if you could forward it to the list. it's not any big deal,
the message i mean, but i'd been wanting to mention the song for awhile.
thanks.
mc

i'd love to hear a&e sing "because" and "sun king" by the beatles....

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what the heck is this??!!?

anna

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subject:      the brawl to settle it all

talking about ig beating up courtney love got a friend of mine and i into a
semi-related discussion, which eventually turned into an argument, which led
into a yelling and screaming fight.  well, not really, but we disagreed, so i
figured i would get your opinion on the matter and see what y'all think.  i
know this is going to sound very silly and those of you that lack a sense of
humor might actually get angry and flame me for bringing such a thread up,
which is fine by me.  i can deal with it, but it seemed funny at the time, and
i hope y'all agree and can come op with some humorous responses.  the subject
of our dispute was...

if amy and emily were ever to get into a physical fight, who would win and
why?

i feel that if it remained a regular fistfight, amy would probably win,
because she is a little smaller and quicker and jogs, so she would have the
endurance.  however, if the fight got dirty and the two found themselves
rolling around on the ground, emily would have the edge because she is bigger
and stronger, and i believe, if push came to shove, has more of a killer
instinct than amy and is probably a dirtier fighter.  amy comes across onstage
as the tougher and harder of the two, but i think her bark is worse than her
bite.  i think emily is very unpredictable and given the opportunity, could be
a vicious fighter.  this is why, imho, i think emily would win.

i hope i haven't lost all credibility on this list. have a nice day. talk to
y'all soon. i hope.

let it grow

bert

ps - lauree shampine dared me to post this

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on tue, 12 dec 1995 14:51:40 sue orsillo wrote:

> i thought someone recently posted that me and ig don't get along at all?!

somene did post that. i'm not sure if it is true or if it even
matters. if musicians didn't keep their personal feelings of each
other out of the professional world, we would lose a lot of really
great music.

anna

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subject:      another cover/duet/trio

what about amy, emily, and suzanne doing a three part harmony version
of sv's song language?

anna

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gee, you guys are kinda harsh with this thing aren't you?

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i'd love to hear that too! ...though it's difficult to imagine ig and
sinead o'connor on stage together, i'd really like to hear amy's
interpretation of "troy". hmm...and i think bonnie raitt has a lot of
good stuff too.

on tue, 12 dec 1995, angie wrote:

> i think a duet of amy ray and sophie b. hawkins performing "damn,
> i wish i was your lover" would make my finals week a heck of a lot better.
>
>
>
gavin

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on tue, 12 dec 1995, sue orsillo wrote:

> i thought someone recently posted that me and ig don't get along at all?!

a lot of people have written this to me in response to my dream of ig and
melissa playing together. i just thought i would send a message to the
list saying...who cares? amy and emily want us to keep their personal
lives out of this, right? besides, whether or not they get along, i still
think it would be an amazing musical combination. a final point: how do
we know that amy and emily get along with all of the other musicians
we've suggested in the ultimate cover version thread?

just my $.02.

amanda

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how come there has been no mail in the last few weeks?
avigail

here's the real chickenman :)

jude :) happy hols everyone!

from:           diane lynn seibert <ds628492@oak.cats.ohiou.edu>
subject:        chickenman speech verbatim from amy's b-day show. date:
    tuesday, may 23, 1995 17:49:47 edt attach:         headers.822 certify:
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the following is amy ray's chickenman stream of conciousness transcribed
verbatim from my boot of the athens oh show 4-12-95. (amy's birthday) it was
so cool i thought i'd share with y'all. warning: it's long.

        "i wrote this song when i was thinking about all these spare parts
you see lying in the middle of the road.  i've been obsessed with dying ever
since i can remember.  realizing that i was existing for a short ammount of
time.. so when i decided to make traveling my way of life i was suprised.
cause when you're moving all the time you tend to run into things... alot.
you see a lot of things that other people are running into alot, which is a
very...interisting thing to see.  so this song kind of takes place-and were
going to start from georgia take this tour, and were gonna go up the eastern
seaboard get up into canada somewhere.  and were driving this big maroon ford
van.  and were gonna go from georgia and pass through all the southern states
and end up somewhere in the middle of texas...texas is sort of a wierd place,
you know? cause it's sort of the bastion of everything i've never believed
in...yeah there's these little bits of enlightenment just hanging around for
no reason.  it's really incredible because if you open your mind up to it,
it's a really cool place. so here we are, were sitting in houston were going
to play at this place and it's um, this bar and were real small, real small.
and were playing at this bar that's about half the size of this stage maybe.
and were going to sleep that night at this guy's house it's kinda like
this..brothel, sorta.  and it's getting harder and harder as this is going
on. i'm thinking ablut all these things. i was thinking anout this woman i
saw when i was running down the street in toronto and she was beat up by a
bunch of people and she was left layin' there and i walked right by
her...walked right by...walked right by.  movin'. gotta be somewhere i gotta
get somewhere, guys. i was running, you know, i gotta time my mile.   i can't
stop.  i can't stop. so i 'm thinking about this, thinking about this.  i was
thinking about-  i was in the middle of the desert this one time and this
family of prarie dogs was crossing the road and i thought "aww shit" 'cause i
couldn't slow down cause i was goin so fast.  and i just hit every single one
of them.  i thought, "this is unbelievable!"  i mean, how could i?  the law
of probability was totally against me.  they were runnin' as fast as they
could and -just- five!! one, two three, boom!! oh god, seriuos karma trouble.
so i'm in this car and i'm thinking about all these things. and were driving
and were driving and were driving and it;s kinda like, you cover your eyes
when you see something that's lying in the road and you go "oh it's just a
bag- a dead bag okay, that's cool,
i can handle that."  and  you see something else and it's like a tire.
okay, no problem, so you open your eyes cause you figure everything is going
to be this inanimate object and it's no big deal.  and then all of a sudden
you're standing in front of this dog with it's guts hanging out and you think
"aww shit!"  and you wanna close your eyes, close your eyes.  these are the
things you think about, these are the things i think about.  and these are
the things that are obsessing, obsessing.  were counting all these things and
putting numbers on everything.

(continued)

okay, so moving on, moving on.  okay, so we go to this flea market cause i'm
thinking at least theres one thing in the world that's gonna lift your
spirits when you have 10 dollars in your pockets and you go to a flea market
and buy something.  i know it's material it's very material but it's true.  i
mean you can be as spiritual as anybody in the whole world and you're still
gonna feel that way, i don't care what you say.  so we go in this flea market
and it's cool, it's cool.  and we come outta that an we go, and we see next
door and we see this big field layed out with all these tables and there's
stuff everywhere.  there's stuff all over these tables -it's like this
endless, endless tables! and i'm like, "this is amazing!  this yard sale on
the side of the highway!  i can't believe it this is so great!!" and i'm
looking through all this stuff,i'm thumbing through books, looking at the
cameras and the binoculars and the old motorcycle parts and bicycles and
hopefully the stratocasters(sp?) that are layin' in somebody's attic that i'm
gonna buy for five dollars.  and i'm thinking about all this stuff and i'm
thinking, okay, okay.  so this man walks out of this trailer and i look over
and i see him and i'm like (awed whisper) "wow!... look at this guy! he is
really cool looking!!" it just strikes me right in the heart.  he's got this
really cool long hair and it's matted and tangled and it's got bugs and dirt
and all this shit is all in his hair and he's really cool! and he's wearing
these old clothes and i'm thinking, "i am so middle class i am so middle
class i am so middle class!"  i'm looking at this guy and i'm thinking, "how
can i relate? i can't relate! i gotta relate! i gotta relate!" cause this is
someone i'm supposed to meet my whole life!  so, i'm gonna meet this guy and
i'm gonna talk to him and it's gonna be really great.  and i'm thinking, what
can i say? okay, what i'm going to say is...i'm going to buy something and
he's going to be really happy and this is really condisending, i'm thinking,
this is really arrogant, you know?  i'm gonna buy something from him and he's
gonna appreciate me so much that he's gonna want to talk to me.  how
materialistic can you get? what an asshole i am. so, i'm thinking this- i'm
gonna do it anyway, i don't care.  so i pick up this book and say, "how much
is this book?" and he says, "that's not for sale." i think, "oh, great." so i
pick up something else and i hand him that and i say, "how much is this?" and
says, "that's not for sale either." and i say,"well, what is for sale? what
can i buy?  i mean all this stuff, i mean, i really want to buy something
today, you know, burnin' a hole in my pocket." and he says, "you can't buy
anything, you're standing in my front yard." oh, great! i feel like a
complete jerk now.  i'm trespassing.  i'm rude.  i'm a white middle class
american girl.  yeah (chuckle) and i've offended this man, too.  and i'm
thinking, how can i make it up to him?  i've got these things inside my soul
that i've never told anyone and i'm gonna tell this guy.  i'm gonna make this
connection.  so, i'm thinking all these things that i'm gonna ask him and
tell him.  what do i want to say?  okay, so we're standing in the middle of
this field and were looking up into the sky-and did you ever think about
what's come before you, and what's coming after you?  and that's no big deal,
that's no big deal.  what i want to say is, i present myself as this peaceful
person all my life and what i really want to do is run down the street with a
machine gun and shoot all these assholes that are getting in my way! and when
i'm driving down the road and i see some guy with a bumper sticker and it
says something i don't believe in, what i really want to do-i mean i try to
be understanding-but what i really want to do is go faster and faster and ram
into the back of his car!!!!! and do you ever think about the animals you see
laying in the middle of the road that some jerk runs over without even
thinking about it-and their guts are hanging out! and they're howling and
they're barking and they're kicking and they're scratching, because you were
going 85 miles an hour when you should have been going 55!!!!!!!! and you
feel bad because what you want to do is slow down...slow down. and what i
want to do is i wanna go faster! i wanna go faster!  i wanna have sex in the
middle of nowhere!!! ( next line indecipherable due to crowd cheers)  i want
to be the worst person i could ever be in my whole life.  and i want to be
black. i want to be red, i want to be yellow!!!!!! but i just walk away
because it's too much. i was on the road to austin..."

                                    cool,eh? hope you enjoyed.
                                       sorry for any typos.  -di. --di's food
for thought... ---------------------------------------------------------------
----------------"i want to have sex in the middle of nowhere...and when i see
someone with a bumper sticker i don't like i just want to speed up my car and
ram into them"
                                                amy ray april 12, 1995 -------
------------------------------------------------------------------------"i
get all confused and hung up running from one falling star to the other until
i drop."  -jack kerouac (sp?) ------------------------------------------------
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hi everyone!  it's great to be back here on the list!
well, it is early and i just woke up from the funniest dream, i had to laugh!
it may not me funny to y'all...but i found it a little humorous:)
i've been making things with drip candles lately and i dreamt that i was at
the mall and found a store with nothing but candles!  well i go in there and
you'll never guess who shares there interest with me?  it was amy:)  it was
like seeing an old friend...we didn't even talk about music or touring, just
drip candles.  we went out to lunch, and then went for a walk down a path
that leads to a kinda forest like area where i live.  we came across a river,
it was really dirty...so amy was reaching in to pull piece of trash out of
the water...and blammo!  she dropped her leftover tortilla wedges in the
river, and then fell in herself!  i tried to save her but when i grabbed her
hand...i fell in myself.  the whole time i kept thinking, we have to get out
of this so that amy and emily can do another album soon!  then these lights
were everywhere, it was the emt unit, they must've sensed our danger cause
they got there in a nick of time.  they sent there highly trained collie in
to save us!(i just saw the cheesy new lassie movie, and in it lassie saves
this little boy from the river, and then can't get out herself....hence she
goes over the waterfall...but survives and journies home) so just like the
movie, the dog saves us...and goes over the waterfall!!!  amy was crying and
going on...but i assured her that the dog was alright and would be home in a
few days.  it was at this time that amy gave me the drip candles she had
purchased.  she went to the emergency room to get checked out...as i woke up
giggling.
oh well, just thought i'd share.....its weird how our minds work!(mine
anyway:)
take care all!
rob augino

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i dunno bert -- i have never forgotten how broad shouldered amy was from
when i stood next to her.  just look at the picture on my web page -- she
could probably do real well in a woman's football league.  i think amy
would pound the living crap out of emily (god forbid!).  this is fun, if
a little bit border-line offensive... take care y'all... phil

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on tue, 12 dec 1995, matthew j smith wrote:

> >ok, songs i would love to hear covered
> >
> >amy doing ani defranco's "untouchable face",
> >blood and fire ->"sorry i am" -> blood and fire..
> >(that is a segue into ani's song then finishing b&f)
> >
> i'm sure ani wouldn't like that; she considers song-writing to be a form of
> expression, and thinks cover versions are pointless.

i saw ani in concert at the orpheum in boston recently and not only did
she cover prince's when doves cry but she did little pieces from a whole
bunch of songs and she looked as if she was having the time of her life.
as was i. so maybe she thinks that they are pointless but still does
them, although i can't imagine her doing that. who knows? o.k., well back
to my perpetual lurking.

andrea

i know the chords/lyrics for "thin line" were posted recently but i
seem to have misplaced them. could some one please them to me? i'd be
forever grateful.

glo

glo@usanimation.com

\ somewhere between \
\ fear and sex      \
\ passion is.       \
\ - j.winterson     \

ok... here's dar's tour schedule:

12/16   westboro, ma    (old vienna)
12/22   northampton, ma (iron horse)
12/31   worcester, ma   (first night)
1/5/96  portsmouth, nh (music hall) -- w/ e. paul, m. sexton, etc...
1/6     needham, ma (homegrown c'house)
1/7     peterborough, nh        (folkway)
1/12    marblehead, ma (me & thee coffhouse)
1/13    providence, ri  (stone soup coffeehouse)
1/18    paul smiths, ny (paul smiths college)
1/19    burlington, vt  (burlington c'house)
1/20    white river jct., vt    (briggs opera house)
1/23    clinton, ny     (hamilton college, fillius barn)
1/25    nyc, ny         (the bottom line -tentative)
1/26    katona, ny      (tree star coffeehouse)
1/27    ann arbor, mi   (ann arbor folk fest
1/28    hightstown, nj  (g.n. rogers school) -- with r. shindell

ok... thats all folks!! enjoy!! if she is playing near you... see her- she's
a jem!

peace...
pamela

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interesting that you 'males' have started this thread. my jaw dropped
when i read it once... and now again that it's being perpetrated.
needless to say, i find this thread offensive. not to mention
unproductive, mean-spirited, and not with the spirit of the holidays.

what xmas song would we all like to hear them harmonize to? i vote for
their blend of harmonies on greensleeves.

--dianne, whose tagline might wanna smack bert's someday o:> ...
(::sigh:: ohhhh, the irony)

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pointlessness may be pointless, but sometimes it's a lot of fun

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greetings all! my name is mike messner, and i just subscribed to the list
from sacramento, ca. i'm not sure what the custom is here about
introducing new members, but i thought i'd tell y'all a little about myself.

i first heard indigo girls from a musican friend of mine a few years
back, when he played ctf for me (we ended up recording it for fun later
that summer). i finally bought the first album that fall, and have been
amazed with their work ever since.

between my ladyfriend and i we have all the albums. i guess my favorite
songs are ctf, airplane, least complicated, watershed and love's recovery
(tough choices, though). i'm looking forward to meeting some of you in
the next few months and talking about ig and their music.

cheers,
mike

if anyone has the chance, i would reccommend going to see dar williams at the
iron horse in northampton ma on dec. 22! i've seen her there in the past, and
she was phenomenal!

-sue

right!

to all those who like a chuckle: read on!
to people drowning in misery, yet still quite enjoying it *or* with too
much to do: don't even *think* about reading this.......

rebecca.
************************************************************************
* subject: final exam
*
* instructions: read each question carefully. answer all questions. time
* limit - four hours. begin immediately.
*
* history: describe the history of the papcy from its origins to the
* present day, concentrating especially but not exclusively, on its social,
* political, economical, religious, and philosophical impact on europe,
* asia, america, and africa. be brief, concise, and specific.
*
* medicine: you have been provided with a razor blade, a piece of gauze,
* and a bottle of scotch. remove your appendix. do not suture until your
* work has been inspected. you have 15 minutes. finish the scotch too.
*
* public speaking: 2,500 riot-crazed aborigines are storming the classroom.
* calm them. you may use any ancient language except latin or greek.
*
* biology: create life. estimate the differences in subsequent human
* culture if this form of life had developed 500 million years earlier,
* with special attention to its probable effect on the english
* parliamentary system. prove your thesis.
*
* music: write a piano concerto. orchestrate and perfom it with flute and
* drum. you will find a piano under your seat.
*
* psychology: based on your knowledge of their works, evaluate the
* emotional stability, degree of adjustment, and repressed frustrations of
* each of the following: alexander of aphrodisia, ramses ii, gregory of
* nicea, and hamurabi. support your evaluation with quotation from each
* man's work, making appropriate references. it is not necessary to translate.
*
* sociology: estimate the sociological problems which might accompany the
* end of the world. costruct an experiment to test your theory.
*
* management science: define management. define science. how do they
* relate? why? create a generalized algorithm to optimize all managerial
* decisions. assuming an 1130 cpu supporting 50 terminals, each terminal to
* activate your algorithm, design the communications interface and all
* necessary control programs.
*
* engineering: the disassembled parts of a high-powered rifle have been
* placed in a box on your desk. you will also find an instuction manual,
* printed in swahili. in 10 minutes a hungry bengal tiger will be admitted
* to the room. take whatever action you feel appropriate. be prepared to
* justify your decision.
*
* economics: develop a realistic plan for refinancing the national debt.
* trace the possible effects of your plan in the following areas: cubism,
* the donatist controversy, the wave theory of light. outline a method for
* preventing these effects. criticize this method from all possible points
* of view. point out the deficiencies in your point of view, as
* demonstrated in your answer to the last question.
*
* political science: there is a red telephone on the desk beside you. start
* world war iii. report at length on its socio-political effects, if any.
*
* physics: explain the nature of matter. include in your answer an
* evaluation of the impact of the development of mathmatics on science.
*
* philosophy: sketch the development of human thought; estimate its
* significance. compare with the development of any other form of thought.
*
* general knowledge: describe in detail. be objective and specific.
*
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well, i'm a big fan of 'in the bleak mid winter' (the good version of it,
btw) -- and i think they'd do a fine job of it.

right, back to creative methods of procrastination (it's surprising how
many clothes you can get together that *really* need washing, at times
like these....).

oh, to all people who wrote about the ig screensaver -- i'm onto it! just
trying to figure out the best way to sort it out..........

rebecca.

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well, i'd apologize if i thought it were mean spirited. it wasn't
serious, it was light hearted.  come on now, rather than watching hulk
hogan wrestle, wouldn't you really rather see a&e go at it for the world
title?  this is not a flame nor is it an attempt to anger pacifists
everywhere (i personally couldn't hurt anyone) but face it, this is
funny.  would it be in the spirit of the holidays if we suggested which
indigo girl could beat up santa the fastest?  i'd still say amy.  tounge
in cheek is better than foot in mouth so take care y'all!  phil

finally someone who is not afraid to admit they like airplane.. i've been
waiting...........when i took my trip down to see the girls for earth jam i
made sure that i listened to it on the airplane....just cause...

i suppose that was like me playine ani's fourth of july on independence
day....

oh well..

kate...

-mes really hopes this doesn't start an airplane debate

>interesting that you 'males' have started this thread. my jaw dropped
>when i read it once... and now again that it's being perpetrated.
>needless to say, i find this thread offensive. not to mention
>unproductive, mean-spirited, and not with the spirit of the holidays.

actually diane, not all the objecters on this one are female. why would we
want to see amy and emily fight, for god's sake? no matter who would win
the fight, the biggest loser would be the band itself, and if that
dissolves, us as well.

anyway, what's there to settle, apart from the speculation as to who's
harder than who?

mat
mts5@aber.ac.uk

   "[the priest] said that if you have to work for anyone, an
        absentee boss is best."
           - jeannette winterson, "the passion"

3 in a row....scarey....

right, a friend and i are making our way back to britain for christmas on
sunday, and i want to make up a "fitting" tape of good travelling-type
songs, introducing him to some fine songs/singers/groups on the way.

now, one of these fine groups has obviously got to be the indigo
girls...and although i've been working on paul all semester, i still
don't think he's utterly convinced of their brilliance.

so i want some ig travelling songs, so he'll think, "ha!  how fitting and
clever and wonderful these people are"  (even though it's a bit of a
con.  cunning, all the same).

(rebecca: *please* get to the point)

now, what songs?? my brain gave up after airplane......

rebecca.

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subject:      the brawl to settle it all

bert said:

>if amy and emily were ever to get into a physical fight, who would win
>and why?

>i hope i haven't lost all credibility on this list. have a nice day.
>talk to y'all soon. i hope.

i think you're loopy, but that's only my opinion :)

anna whipkey

perry at rdr just called to tell me that the new matthew kahler/
shawn mullins effort, jeff's last dance vol.2. is in the store
now. it is $13.95 plus shipping, and perry says it is a very
welldone album.

get e'm while they're hot! 1-800-636-6166

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>so i want some ig travelling songs, so he'll think, "ha!  how fitting and
>clever and wonderful these people are"  (even though it's a bit of a
>con.  cunning, all the same).

"joking" is a good driving song. but then you won't be driving to britain,
now will you ... although you _do_ have to get to the airport somehow, right?

other sugggestions:
me "i take you with me"
cranberries "dreams"
mary-chapin carpenter "house of cards"

(i have these three on a single tape that got a lot of playing time on my
most recent drive up here)

bon

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>mary-chapin carpenter "house of cards"

no! no! "why walk when you can fly?"!

mat
mts5@aber.ac.uk

   "[the priest] said that if you have to work for anyone, an
        absentee boss is best."
           - jeannette winterson, "the passion"

rebecca, thou art evil.  i know now that, in one of my previous lives, when i
suffered through college, you were my professor.  in our next lives, i will be
my own cat (reward, since i spoil my siamese terribly).  you will be my
father's work truck (punishment:  he never washes it, leaves 10 coke cans in
the floorboard, and hides his cigarettes behind the seat).  my theory, actually
is that we live all our reincarnations simultaneously.  i am me, my cat, my
parents, i.e. everyone around me, so that whatever i give, i receive.  think
about it.
rustyr
trying to have all the fun and most of the good women

people, lighten up.  besides, amy and emily have known each other since they
were kids, and seem to be much like sisters.  what makes you think that they
haven't _already_ had one or two knock-down-drag-out fights?  and tour buses
can't be that roomy.  think they ever fight over the good seats?
rustyr
trying to have all the fun and most of the good women

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i think amy would win in any circumstance. i actually think she's a bit
bigger than emily so,physically emily wouldn't have a chance. but then
again i can see emily totally losing her eternal optimism and just
charging at amy with a switchblade. i don't think either one of them
would have the guts to pull the trigger.
oh by the way, i see your from rutgers. i'm going back home to jersey on
friday. do you live in jersey? if so, where?
talk to ya later,
ben

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hi all,
i would love to hear amy do bon jovi's i'll be there for you, that song
rocks just like amy.

sharon

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lighten up. of corse we'd all mourn if amy and emily really did
get into a fight but don't you at least wonder? i think you need a few
stupid discussions once in a while. anyway, i think they'd sound amazing
doing either "the carol of the bells" or "here we go a wasseling". they
really should consider putting out an x-mas album.
ben

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on tue, 12 dec 1995, alex scherer wrote:

> is vertical horizon nationally recognized, or just a local
> d.c./virginia/maryland band??

i don't know. i live in nm and i've never heard of it.

cran

there's a newgrass revival song "sweet release" i would love to hear them do,
but then again, i'd love to hear newgrass revival do cedar tree...

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i think they'd be awesome doing lo how a rose, a good arrangement of it,
personally!

eleanor

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the roller rink, when they want everyone to turn around and skate in the
opposite direction for a while, they say "all skate, now reverse", then
play a new song.

on mon, 11 dec 1995, assilem wrote:

> this occurs at the beginning of touch me fall, not dead man's hill... it
> should make more sense now, but that's probably me being a little arrogant
> because it makes sense to me. :)  i'll let it sink in, and if anyone has
> any discussion on this, i would love to hear it! tmf is one of my faves
> because it's a "thrash out of control" song and sometimes i need that...
> especially since it's finals week! ;)  btw, i still haven't fingered one
> song about my life... it's not fair!!!! i'll live though.
>
> wishing i was "leaving...."
> just one of the girls,
> mindigo
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i absolutely love airplane.  it is one of my most favorite songs to
sing.  i just have trouble figuring out what amy is singing sometimes.
does anyone know her part?  is it written out anywhere?
thanks--em

i've always dreamt of taking a long trip out of here while listening to
southland in the springtime.
also, chickenman and reunion are good driving songs for me.
just my opinion.
--em =)

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>no! no! "why walk when you can fly?"!
>

oh, yes! jeez i should've thought of that! but for the drive to the airport:
"stones in the road," "a road is just a road," "other streets and other
towns," and for the return trip, "come on home."

god, i have too much time on my hands... (ok, that song reference was _not_
intentional)

bon

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on tue, 12 dec 1995, matthew j smith wrote:

> i'm sure ani wouldn't like that; she considers song-writing to be a form of
> expression, and thinks cover versions are pointless.

hmmm. i guess that when she performs "when doves cry" and, on occasion,
"superfreak" she's just being pointless, huh? next time i'll be more
supportive and just get up and walk out.

grrrr...
k

hey y'all
i'm just procrastinating like hell (1 more final__yes...) anyways, i was
thinking of some covers. for some reason," anna begins" from
counting crowes popped into my mind- whatcha think??
also- this is no dream of mine, - i think it would be funny to
see a&e perform, " the devil went down to georgia" ( don't ask
me why... my brain is all dried up) i don't know , i just
thought i'd contribute. oh, by the way, i remember someone
saying they would like to hear "the weakness in me" by j.a.-
well, i got some tapes today (thanks amy :-) ) & they do it
on cover me grey & one other one, i can't remember- i think
it is blue food. just thought you'd like to know!! love,
katie.
p.s. does anyone have a good copy of the ballad of squeaky
fromm that they would be willing to trade?? love, katie--
><}}}'>

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lol! :) dreams are just like that aren't they. :) i had a dream once that
amy ray was in the movie king kong, i know it's really fay wray but in my
dream it was amy ray. :) the other day i had a really weird dream - it
was snowing. weird because it's been unusually warm (to say the least)
for this time of year and we haven't gotten any snow...

cran

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hi folks,

guess i've been kind of quiet on here for awhile so i thought i'd bite on
this one:

- good travelling music: dar williams, "travelling again"; ig, "down by the
river" and "tangled up in blue", melissa etheridge's brave & crazy
album (especially "royal station 4/16"!).

also re. the 'ultimate cover' thread, wouldn't it be cool to see/hear ig
and billy pilgrim singing "insomniac"? :)

if there's anyone out there who's even still remotely interested (*grin*),
c'mon by my web page and fill out my ig survey, at
http://www.geko.com.au/sherlyn/igsurvey/igsurvey.html. i've been *much*
better about tallying up the results this time, so come on by and fill
out version 2 if you haven't already, and give me something to do on the
days that i have to work between christmas and new year... hehe.

take care everyone, happy holiday season - and most of all, good luck
with whatever shopping needs to get done before then... *grin*
sherlyn

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" allow me someday to touch you, the way that you've all touched me...
i thank you for your expressions, your music has set me free... "
- happy rhodes, 'feed the fire'

i know i promised to post this on monday but i've been busy. anyway here it is.

q magazine january 1996
imports
indigo girls
1200 curfews

for years georgia duo amy ray and emily saliers were misunderstood as a
sweet, quirky, country-influenced outfit, but these girls can rock. in the
past, their edge may have sometimes been smothered by cloying, sugary
harmonies, but by the '90s they came to the fore as a major act, recording
with everyone from r.e.m. to mary chapin carpenter and jackson browne. this
double live 27-track cd charts the exuberance of recent years, compiled
from over 100 tapes of performances in concert halls, small clubs, radio
shows and dressing room jams from anchorage, alaska to london w12. from a
raw, angry acoustic pushing the needle too far to a sultry reading of
dylan's tangled up in blue to an almost camp version of midnight train to
georgia, 1200 curfews pulsates with a slow-building yet nevertheless lively
power.
**** (out of five stars)
lucy o'brien

not too bad a review considering they are not well know here in the uk
take care y'all
sharon

hey michelle!! hope you have a great birthday down under (she lives in
australia ;) )!!!! i know that you're a b'zillion hours ahead of our time
zone, so i hope you get this message on the 14th :)) and i'm sure you're
having a rockin' time.......peace and happy surfing!!!

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indigo girls

sorry everyone. the instructions for unsubbing are only at the bottom of
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indigo girls

o.k. i know this is such a naive and futile question but it has to be
asked. i'm a singer and i've been trying to get up enough gall to jump up
on stage at an ig concert and ask to sing with them. but every concert i
go to i can never get up the nerve to do it.
it's not even a question of keeping up it's what their reaction would
be. are they really as open-minded as we see them to be? are they in fact
self-congradulatory and wouldn't want anyone else to sing with them? or
would emily just snap her fingers and have some 250lb. bald guy named leo
come and take me off the stage.
so, my question is, is it worth doing the next time they go on tour?

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parting is such sweet sorrow....
anyway, though i'm usually just a lurker, i wanted to say a temporary
good-bye. fortunately, i am going home for break tomorrow.
unfortunately, i will be relegated to the land of the email-less, so i
will have to do without you all and your ever entertaining/enlightening
comments. i want to wish you all happy holidays and a good new year and
i'll see (hear? read?) you in january (sigh).
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on wed, 13 dec 1995, stanley kulesza wrote:

> also, chickenman and reunion are good driving songs for me.

i agree. i like reunion because when you're on the road it has the spirit
of freedom. that song also has meaning to me because there were a few
days this summer where i spent a lot of time driving around alone,
singing at the top of my lungs, feeling funny and free. :)

cran

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