lifeblood: listlogs: 1996-01c


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date:         mon, 15 jan 1996 11:57:28 +1100
reply-to:     petite piquet <piquet@geko.net.au>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         petite piquet <piquet@geko.net.au>
subject:      ig news mailing list

hi folks,

i've just been going through the listmgr traffic for the listserv on the
server that i am running, and i've noticed that there are still an
inordinate amount of requests coming through for subscriptions to a
couple of the lists that i used to run, both of which have been shut down
for some few months now, namely "indigo-girls@geko.com.au", and
"ig-news@geko.com.au".

the list indigo-girls@geko.com.au was shut down with the rise of the current
list, roughly 6 months ago (or more, i forget), and the list
ig-news@geko.com.au was shut down a couple of months after that, due to
lack of interest.

so i'd like to ask that if any of you out there have information, say on
your www pages, which is still pointing to either of those old lists, you
could please update it so that it's pointing at the current list,
indigo-girls@netspace.org.

just checking.
cheers,
sherlyn

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"someday will i sing the mountains that carry me away, away from home, and
hometown boys like you?"       - dar williams, "travelling again"

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date:         sun, 14 jan 1996 19:18:28 -0500
reply-to:     sharney@smith.smith.edu
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from:         sue harney <sharney@smith.smith.edu>
subject:      padded room...

i hereby name myself the holder of the key to the padded room!!!!!!
as of now, i'm locking myself in and throwing the key into my cello case which
should be empty by now 'cause i'm playing ig music with the rest of you crazy
folk!!!!

tee hee.
sue

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date:         sun, 14 jan 1996 20:41:36 est
reply-to:     molly jane b murphy <julj03a@prodigy.com>
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from:         molly jane b murphy <julj03a@prodigy.com>
subject:      thinline nobody loves us confusion

i was listening to it and it seems to me that it must be amy that
says all that stuff because you can hear emily in the backround,
nowhere near the mic laughing.


i haven't listened to it in a while so i'm just remembering it from
when i was trying to figure out who said it.

next thing you know we'll be questioning who had a boyfriend named
danny in 6th grade.

: )

molly jane

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date:         sun, 14 jan 1996 23:50:01 -0700
reply-to:     joseph johaneman <coyote@cat1.catskill.com>
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from:         joseph johaneman <coyote@cat1.catskill.com>
subject:      re: not much igc: learning disabilities
x-to:         maggie wheeler <maggiew@singnet.com.sg>
in-reply-to:  <199601140730.paa26118@lantana.singnet.com.sg>

> one wd do :) :) sorry, cdn't resist it] i'd just like to comment that
> mandy's suggestion of self introductions has revealed three list members
> within the last few hours who work in the field of learning
> disability.....with myself and another list person i know that makes at
> least 5 ..... out of um, well lorinda said recently, a list membership of
> around 700+ (tho' it seems ot hve gone up dramatically in past week!).
> i don't know about you cindy, joe & amy but workwise it sometimes seems
> there's not many of us around - so its good to meet some thru the indigo
> girls - maybe we cd start a sub group on the list for mutual support???


great idea.  i could use some support at this point! :)

btw, i'm pretty surprised that there are that many of us on the list.
except at agency functions, work, etc, i haven't met many people who work
with the mr/dd population.

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date:         sun, 14 jan 1996 22:35:37 -0500
reply-to:     moon grrrl <warra5c0@numen.elon.edu>
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from:         moon grrrl <warra5c0@numen.elon.edu>
subject:      jonas and ezekial reflection...

i was just sitting around, really listening to my rites of passage.  i
guess there's a lot of things in amy amd emily's music that you don't
pick up the first time through, or at least i don't.  when i first
started listening to them, it was for musical content, not really what
they were saying (to some extent...)  but after i realized the
significance of "this train", i decided that i would listen closely to
other songs, almost anayzing them for meaning, reminiscent of poetry
study....  (amy-> memories of ap english...)  i read the blurb, (like i'm
sure you all have,) on the internet about the songs on swamp ophelia and
rites of pass.  the one about amy taking a bike ride and seeing the
graves of two slaves, one named jonas and the other ezekial, and how the
biblical names they bore made her think of oppression, etc.  she says,
"jonas and ezekial, hear me now   steady now don't come out
i'm not ready for the dead to show his face   whose turn is it anyway?"
calling upon their spirits in almost a prayer-like manner.  i was thinking
about the fact that she never mentions the fact that these are graves of
slaves...  the beginning of the song seems (to me) about amy pondering the
native americans, who once inhabited where she is.  if you know the
background of the slave grave thing, the song meshes together nicely the
plight of the native american and the american(?) african slave.  i just
wanted to know what everyone thought about this song.  i like insight.
and any interpretation is welcome.
-mandy

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date:         mon, 15 jan 1996 15:50:10 edt
reply-to:     chickensoprano <creechal@cc.emu.edu>
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from:         chickensoprano <creechal@cc.emu.edu>
organization: eastern mennonite university
subject:      where is everyone?

i'll bet the list is flooded with messages of this type by now, but i
just want to know what's up?  i'm leaving for three months on thurs.,
and i want to get as much of indigo-girls@netspace.org as i can!

anna

"to keep milk from turning sour: keep it in the cow."

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date:         mon, 15 jan 1996 12:55:30 -0800
reply-to:     michael messner <mmessner@step.mother.com>
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from:         michael messner <mmessner@step.mother.com>
subject:      re: another introduction...
x-to:         mmessner@davis.com
in-reply-to:  <199601140234.vaa23965@pipe11.nyc.pipeline.com>

hey everyone...been tied up at a conference for the past few days, but i
did want to give my profile to y'all.

my name is mike messner.  i'm 23 years old and a graduate student at
california state university, sacramento.  i have been a fan of a & e for
about 5 years, and can play a few of their songs on guitar (as some of
you in the asylum know, i do play it).  i have all the albums except
1200c, and i'm about to get that one.

aside from ig, i also like csn, james taylor, eagles, dylan and john
denver.  i guess i'm a sucker for bands that make an effort to produce
genuine music with real instruments and who try to sing the songs of real
people...which explains my love for ig and my involvement in this list.

let us turn our thoughts today to martin luther king...

cheers,
mike

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date:         mon, 15 jan 1996 13:23:34 -0800
reply-to:     michael messner <mmessner@step.mother.com>
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from:         michael messner <mmessner@step.mother.com>
subject:      re: to the padded room people..
x-to:         chickensoprano <creechal@cc.emu.edu>
in-reply-to:  <108c23b2f37@cc.emu.edu>

and i'll lead the choir's bass section!

--mike

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date:         mon, 15 jan 1996 16:16:35 est
reply-to:     lorinda wright <lw01@lehigh.edu>
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from:         lorinda wright <lw01@lehigh.edu>
subject:      re: here are several more questions

>there was a doctor in one of the concentration camps who performed
>experiments on human beings. he tried to determine how much pain a human
>being could endure before he died. he was basically doing to the people
>of the camps what he could not ethically do to "the monkey" (the lab
>animals).
>
>heimmler? erlich? history students?

there were a lot of experiments performed. i don't know names though.
>
>>         cover our eyes with clear, blue sky..."
>
>the perfect arian person had clear blue eyes...?

i always took this as a double meaning. the above, and also the idea of the
nazi's kinda covering up what they did and making it all seem so reasonable
and ok to germans in general. everyone just kinda looked the other way.
(well, not everyone, luckily.)

>>         razor on a wire..."
>razor wire (barbed wire)...?

yeah, definitely razor wire.

folksigruven,
l-
    i           will            not        be               complacent
lorinda wright           "learn to pretend there's more than love that
lw01@lehigh.edu           matters. -e.s.
lehigh university         "the apathy of time laughs in my face
bethlehem, pa             you say each life has its place. -e.s.
    i           will            not         be              complacent

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date:         mon, 15 jan 1996 21:46:26 +0000
reply-to:     matthew j smith <mts5@aber.ac.uk>
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from:         matthew j smith <mts5@aber.ac.uk>
subject:      hello again!

hi there everyone!   are y'all back at college or wherever yet or what?   am
i a bit early?   everyone here's back at college ... yet there's no mail!

also my web-site is up and running - it's mostly billy bragg stuff but i've
also published the soc from chickenman which was sent here last year and
also a list of people and places connected with ig ... all pretty banal
stuff to you lot maybe but a few newcomers might do well to get their eyes
across it.   feel free to mail me with any mistakes you've noticed or things
i've left out.

the urls are:  http://www.aber.ac.uk/~mts5/ - billy bragg info
               http://www.aber.ac.uk/~mts5/glossary.html - indigo index
               http://www.aber.ac.uk/~mts5/amysoc.html - chickenman monologue

the monologue is the same as the one judith posted to the list about 2 weeks
before christmas.

hope y'all had a great christmas.

mat.
mts5@aber.ac.uk

   "[the priest] said that if you have to work for anyone, an
        absentee boss is best."
           - jeannette winterson, "the passion"

   "a man must make unpopular decisions,
    hit those nails on the head,
    and i respect a man who goes to where he wants to be
    even if he wants to be dead."
           - vic chesnutt, "florida" from west of rome

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date:         mon, 15 jan 1996 16:24:08 -0600
reply-to:     stacy sheperson <ssheperson@uoknor.edu>
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from:         stacy sheperson <ssheperson@uoknor.edu>
subject:      intro, irc

hi, everyone.  i am a 28-year old grad student at the university of oklahoma
finishing up my thesis this may in secondary science education.  after i
finish jumping through all the graduation hoops, i'll be moving back to my
native california (hey, mike, my b.s. is from sac state) to look for a
teaching job in the napa valley (you might as well live somewhere pretty!).
i've been an ig fan ever since i saw ctf on vh-1 back in '90 or so.  i hung
out with some other ig fans in chico for a few years before moving out here
in '93.  i've only seen them once, but what a show!  it was the nis tour at
uc berkeley and featured an awesome encore with joan baez and the girls
singing "get together".  ah, bliss.
nice to meet all of you more formally (i've been on the list since november
or so).
oh, as far as irc goes, i finally got set up today, so thought i'd offer up
the net site that helped me out.  if you're having any troubles or don't
even know how to begin, check out
http//sunsite.nijenrode.nl/ftp/pub/mirc/install.html  it's designed for all
of us newbies :)!!

stacy

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date:         mon, 15 jan 1996 17:37:12 est
reply-to:     lorinda wright <lw01@lehigh.edu>
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from:         lorinda wright <lw01@lehigh.edu>
subject:      re: how to get boots

>    some folks have been asking advice on how to obtain bootleg recordings
>when they are just starting out.  i will do my best to give you some help.
>      here are some ways to go about it:

>3. find a music store in your area which carries bootleg cd's. these are
>often referred to as "imports" nowadays. usually , these are smaller,
>independent stores rather than big chains.

this is going to be obvious to most of you, but since this post didn't
mention rainy day records, i felt the need to jump in here. if you're looking
for bootlegs, you can definitely give perry, marsha, or jeff a call at rdr.
i'm taking the number from memory, and if i get it wrong about 100 people
will correct me but i think it's 1-800-866-6166. you'll be talking to some of
the nicest people in the world. they carry some of the greatest music in the
world, and they'll happily send it to you wherever you may be.

folkisgruven,
lorindigo

(who has the "it's emily" version of "who loves us?" and who agrees that the
"moo-er" must be an actual cow.)

(geez, next you folks will be trying to convince me that emily does the
chickenman stream of consciousness, and that amy sings "river.")

(aren't you glad that i came along to stir things up again just as they were
starting to die down?)
    i           will            not        be               complacent
lorinda wright           "learn to pretend there's more than love that
lw01@lehigh.edu           matters. -e.s.
lehigh university         "the apathy of time laughs in my face
bethlehem, pa             you say each life has its place. -e.s.
    i           will            not         be              complacent

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date:         mon, 15 jan 1996 19:02:39 -0500
reply-to:     lolo227@aol.com
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from:         kelly osborn <lolo227@aol.com>
subject:      what's the best import/boot?

hi all!
rainy day records has 3 ig cds that i am not familiar with.  these are: blood
and fire(oregon 1993), complicated girls(glastonbury fest 1995), and nothing
to hide(radio city 1994).  would anyone know what is on these or an opinion
of which one is the best?  i've tried looking at some discographies, but none
of these appeared there. it would really help to know what is on these before
buying one, especially since they are all rather expensive.  thanks for the
help, oh knowledgable list members!
kelly

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date:         mon, 15 jan 1996 19:17:43 -0500
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from:         rick b sayre <rbsayre@aol.com>
subject:      new orleans jazz festival

howdy ya'll... just a simple request this time. if anyone knows anything at
all about the indigo girls at the new orleans jazz festival please, please,
pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeez e-mail me some info. i just found out that i may actually
get to go, but i have to find out about the tickets, the prices, and most
importantly the dates!!! (like, hopefully not coinciding with mardi gras)
is anyone else going to the show?? they're still playing it, right?? ;)
thanks ya'll- (hey, isn't that a familiar phrase?)
rick

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date:         mon, 15 jan 1996 18:03:55 -0700
reply-to:     cranberry <ch002jt@arriba.nm.org>
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from:         cranberry <ch002jt@arriba.nm.org>
subject:      re: to the padded room people..
in-reply-to:  <108c23b2f37@cc.emu.edu>

on sun, 14 jan 1996, chickensoprano wrote:

> on sat, 13 jan 1996 cranberry wrote:
>
> > yeah! :) there's what, about 6 of us by now? we can start a choir! :)
>
> i'll sing alto! :)

i know who we can get to direct it too - mr. murphy, who is the
choir/guitar teacher here at my school and, as i recently found out, also
loves indigo girls. :) he can play ig songs on his guitar and is
teaching his classes to do the same. now we should convince him to join
us in the asylum - which for him, wouldn't be too hard. :)

cran

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date:         mon, 15 jan 1996 20:27:33 est
reply-to:     lisa <102714.3716@compuserve.com>
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from:         lisa <102714.3716@compuserve.com>
subject:      introduction

i thought i should do an introduction, even though that thread is probably dead.
i'm 26 graduated from st. cloud state university, minesota  with a double major
in sociology and anthropology back in 1991.  i currently work 4 jobs(all
contract or on call) in social services and corrections.  i'm married and have a
son(adric, 4).  i love this list because it's hard to find like-minded people
here in conservative midwest.  i've lived here all my life but have done some
traveling, mostly as a kid(i can't afford it now).  i love the indigo girls and
think it would be a blast to ever have a chance to sit and talk about
things(life, reincarnation etc)  i love the eclecticness(sp) of the group.  i'm
thinking about starting up a unitarian universalist fellowship in my area and
looking at going to grad school.  i don't know my major but it will have
something to do with making the world a better place focusing on preventative
care (probably working with mothers and children).  i'm a la leche league
leader(gosh this is really off the list).  i would love to find a community and
am very interested in finding self reliant cohousing.  unfortunately my husband
doesn't agree with all my interests.  if anyone has any questions please feel
free to e-mail me, i love to communicate with all,
sorry larry, this is not news and probably too long for your tastes(relax !!!!!)
lisa

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date:         mon, 15 jan 1996 20:48:29 -0500
reply-to:     sharney@smith.smith.edu
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from:         sue harney <sharney@smith.smith.edu>
subject:      mail, mail, mail

well, there hasn't been much mail of substance recently, so i thought i'd add
a few comments of my own.  (not that this is considered substantive, really.
i mean, come on, i'm babbling at the moment, filling up space.  babble, babble,
babble.....)  :)


first of all, i thoops, i mean i think that "who loves us, nobody" is definitely amy.  but other than her voice and emily's laugh (at least i think that's
emily), i am really confused as to who is in there!!!  it seems to me that the
room is full of unfamiliar voices.  if anyone would care to clarify that for
me, i'd be grateful!

oops, maybe i'd better clarify - i mean who all is in the dressing room where
they recorded "thin line"!  :)

secondly, why does amy comment in the liner notes of 1200 for "midnight train
to georgia" simply "fish out of water"?  i can see that this is not her
kind of song, but i'm still confused.  well, i suppose i'm often confused
by amy.

finally, i'd just like to agree whole heartedly with emily - "playing music
can be deliriously fun sometimes"!!!!!!

take care all!
sue

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date:         mon, 15 jan 1996 18:57:05 -0700
reply-to:     cranberry <ch002jt@arriba.nm.org>
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from:         cranberry <ch002jt@arriba.nm.org>
subject:      lyrled manglics (again)

this is an old thread, i know, but i was thinking about the mangled
lyrics today and came up with a few that i've thought up (intentionally
or not) while listening. :)


from closer to fine:

"the best thing you ever done for me, was to help me take my life less
seriously, show me life after all..." (i heard it as "show me" instead of
"it's only" - until i looked closely at the words. :) )

from land of canaan (or caanan - i never get those a's right :) )

"...it's just aluminum skyline, sweetheart, telling me you're not mine."
(the liner says london skyline... but every time i hear this song i could
swear it's aluminum! anyone else have this problem? :) )

and a few i made up:

from ghost:

"...the last truce we ever came to, from our .sibble war..." (still
waiting for someone to ask me about the .sibble war. :) )

and my favorite, from joking:

"well, cinnabons given or, cinnabons lost, you shook it off with a smirk
and a toss!"


cran :)

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date:         mon, 15 jan 1996 21:01:51 -0500
reply-to:     renee l grebe <grebe+@cmu.edu>
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from:         renee l grebe <grebe+@cmu.edu>
subject:      re: mail, mail, mail
in-reply-to:  <01i01wcsuv4yazxriz@smith>

excerpts from mail: 15-jan-96 mail, mail, mail by sue harney@smith.smith.e
> first of all, i thoops, i mean i think that "who loves us, nobody" is
definitely
>  amy.  but other than her voice and emily's laugh (at least i think that's
> emily), i am really confused as to who is in there!!!

no way, it's definately emily!  right?

renee

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date:         mon, 15 jan 1996 21:10:03 +0500
reply-to:     jack mitchell <jamitch3@vt.edu>
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from:         jack mitchell <jamitch3@vt.edu>
subject:      re: mail, mail, mail
x-to:         sharney@smith.smith.edu

>secondly, why does amy comment in the liner notes of 1200 for "midnight train
>to georgia" simply "fish out of water"?  i can see that this is not her
>kind of song, but i'm still confused.  well, i suppose i'm often confused
>by amy.
>
i read somewhere that amy really felt out of her element on mttg...that it
just wasn't her style, so she didn't sing on it.

j
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date:         mon, 15 jan 1996 21:21:52 est
reply-to:     jessie gilliam <jmg8r@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu>
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from:         jessie gilliam <jmg8r@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu>

on the mangled lyrics topic:
     my friend brian was singing along like crazy in the car one time to
"three hits" -- and i wasn't really listening, but when i tuned in to him--
he was singing:
     "three hits to the heart son... and it's poultry in motion"
     i can't listen to that song without thinking of chickens walking
around...
     jessie

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reply-to:     greg flamer <gflame@nwu.edu>
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subject:      mini-intro and ig burnout

hello y'all-  i don't know when the intro thread got started but here's my
mini version.  i am 23 years old and studying at northwestern university
here in evanston, illinois.  i am a second year grad student and will be
the official holder of a master of science degree in marital and family
therapy this august.  so if any of you need to talk or just need an
ear--save it!  :-)  so empathic aren't i?!  seriously this is a great field
for those of you wishing to help others while learning a ton about yourself
in the process.  i love it.  i am originally from long island, ny and will
probably never go back.  chicago just raaaawks the house.  onto some igc...
        i have noticed recently that i spend much less time listening to
ig.  i believe this is the longest they have gone without releasing new
material (1200 curfews doesn't count as new material).  so came out in may
of 94.  so my ig listening has gone way down.  from what i hear we have a
lot longer to wait for new stuff too.  so what are you people doing during
this lull between new albums?  i mean ig usually takes up a lot of my
musical listening time.  i have personally discovered much new music during
the ig hiatus.  any other suggestions as to what i should do with the
ig-less time until new material comes out?  getting a life is not an option
:-).  just wondering what everyone else does when even their favorite ig
songs get old.  i'm burnt out--help me!  never thought i'd say that...

greg

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subject:      re: lyrled manglics (again)

"...bumping like a pinball off achilles' crown..."  (ouch!)

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subject:      re: back together again chords

to: hburningham@ulst.ac.uk (or what ever - i tried to send it, but it
got returned)

>  hate to sound totally stupid, but what does olga stand for?

that's okay, i wouldn't know if i hadn't been surfing the internet
one day, looking for ig chords.  it stands for on line guitar
archives.  they have zillions of songs by zillions of artists.  just
about anything you would want to find - but only if someone figured
them out and sent them in.

anna

"to keep milk from turning sour: keep it in the cow."

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date: mon, 15 jan 1996 19:45:28 -0500
from: polwoman@aol.com
to: polwoman@aol.com
subject: political woman hotline volume 2 #1c

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#5 radical right

--christiancoalitionwatch

-top ten list for a christian coalition christmas. this list was
forwarded by the "c.c.watch" news service. our critique follows in
brackets.

1. the $500 per child tax credit. [unfair to taxpayers without children.
coincides with *cuts* in earned income tax credit for the working poor
and income support for the very poor. forces cuts in other social
programs to get to a balanced budget.]

2. a permanent hyde amendment on medicaid reform. [forces poor women to
carry unwanted pregnancies to term or delay their abortions. increases
the number of children and families on welfare. violates conservative
principle of federalism.]

3. the family cap on welfare. [encourages more poor women to have
abortions, contrary to anti-abortion position. forces children deeper
into poverty, contrary to christian teaching.]

4. the elimination of goals 2000. [pure paranoia. originally a
conservative program, started by george bush, the "education president,"
as a voluntary way to encourage states to improve national education
standards. now the far right thinks it's a form of satanism.]

5. a ban on federal funding for human embryo research. [more paranoia.
the far right believes women are being paid to have abortions so
researchers can harvest fetal organs. strict guidelines prohibit such
payments. the ban would block important research on diseases like
alzheimer's.]

6. a stop to the mandate of acgme to force ob/gyn medical students to
perform abortions. [this violates conservative principles as an
unwarranted intrusion by the government into professional training
standards. these standards are necessary because of anti-abortion murder
and terror, which have reduced the number of physicians willing to
perform abortions.]

7. an end to the federal mandate on states to pay for medicaid abortions
in the case of rape or incest. [forces poor women to carry their rapists'
fetuses to term. enough said]

8. a ban on funding of international organizations that promote and/or
perform abortions overseas. [these groups primarily provide family
planning services which *prevent* abortions. in addition, hundreds of
thousands of women die annually from illegal abortions, a fact condemned
at international conferences in cairo and beijing.]

9. a ban on funding abortions in the district of columbia. [treats dc
like a colony, with racist overtones.]

10.a school choice/voucher program in the district of columbia. [this is
religious-right "pork" for church-run parochial schools. it violates the
"original intent" of the founding fathers to keep church and state
separate. it would raise taxes for district residents who would have to
fund two school systems. it is also a deliberate attack on public
education and teachers unions.]
[to subscribe to the "c.c.watch" news service, call 305/751-5001 or e-
mail watch97@aol.com. individual subscriptions are $29.95 per year.]

-did pat robertson break the ninth commandment 1.4 million times? church
& state magazine reports that dues-paying christian coalition members are
nearly 1.4 million fewer in number than claimed by the organization. the
coalition claims that its membership increased from 1.2 million in 1994
to 1.7 million in 1995. however, postal records reveal that paid
membership actually fell from 353,703 in september 1994 to 310,296 in
september 1995. not only is the coalition lying -- which should be a
major story in itself for a "christian" organization -- but its support
is weakening, which should also be a major political story. "pat
robertson's christian coalition has set a well-established pattern of
deception in many of its activities," said barry lynn, executive director
of americans united for separation of church and state, publisher of the
monthly magazine. "wildly inflating its membership figures is just part
of that deplorable practice." e-mail amerunited@aol.com or call 301-589-
3707.

-we're not laughing. "ralph reed spent last saturday attending something
called 'dark ages weekend' sponsored by the progress and freedom
foundation (a spin-off of newt gingrichand spa in miami. cnn reported
today that he talked to republicans about
reframing their discussion about big government; his newest 'suggestion'
was not to talk about dismantling the federal government but about
empowering local governments. 'c.c.watch' heard that he was mostly
interested, as a local boy, in the miami dolphin-buffalo bills playoff
game. in any case, the cast of characters entering saturday
eveninginterested, as a local boy, in the miami dolphin-buffalo bills playoff
list: g.
gordon liddy (trailed by a rather unhappy looking woman puffing on a
cigarette), arianna huffington & her husband 'empty suit,' morton
blackwell, frank luntz, william kristol (with the whole family), senator
fred thompson (r-tn), and robert bork. senator kay bailey hutchison (r-
tx) was stopped for lack of nametag and pretty much told security folks
to get out of her life. those nametags did not say dark ages weekend, by
the way. the event was referred to throughout the hotel as the weekend.
but we can assure you that it was very dark, indeed." [c.c. watch 1/3/96]
editors' note: daw was organized by the "independent" women's forum's
laura ingraham and jay lefkowitz. it was billed as a "cigar-and-red-meat-
friendly, anti-renaissance revel." guests received a set of rules
including: "no group hugs" and encouragement for wearing furs and using
chlorofluorocarbons, according to time 1/8. newt and marianne gingrich
attended.


--dobson spearheads new assault on sex education. "touted by james dobson
of focus of the family and supported by the dobson-affiliated family
research council (frc), rep. steve stockman (r-tx) held a press
conference on december 8th to challenge by law the various sex studies by
alfred kinsey published in the 40's and 50's. stockman's bill -- the
child protection and ethics in education act of 1995 -- calls for a probe
into the studies. it has "approximately 40 co-sponsors" according to the
frc, which claims that "the bill would also require the government
accounting office to study whether federal agencies and schools have used
tax monies to promote information on sexual behavior based upon
'erroneous, fraudulent' research." this assault on kinsey and sex
education programs is backed up by a video released by the frc called
"the children of table 34." the video exposes the kinsey studies as
either fraudulent or based on the criminal molestation of hundreds of
children by pedophiles, and is based on the book "kinsey, sex and fraud"
(1990) by dr. judith reisman. (the frc is offering copies of their video
to the press. call 202/393-2100 and ask for kristi hamrick.)" [c.c.watch
12/19/95]

--washington metro displays anti-choice ads. "a group called christbrides
ministries has installed a series of posters in at least three
prominent metro stations. the caption reads: 'women who choose abortions
suffer more and deadlier breast cancer'. to add insult to injury,
washington metro representatives say these ads have qualified as public
service announcements! considering how difficult the fight has been to
generate interest, let alone funding, for breast cancer research, this
type of anti-choice propaganda, under the guise of health concerns,
should instill outrage in both the pro-choice and anti-cancer
communities. tell wmata that they have been duped by the anti-choice
movement. the ads reflect at best inconclusive, if not wrong information,
and should not qualify as public service announcements. these ads should
be removed immediately. make your voice heard! protest this decision to
ellen bozman (chair), jack evans (vice-chair) and ronald rydstrom, office
of consumer services, washington metropolitan area transit authority,
600 5th street, n.w., washington, dc 20001, 202-637-1328."

--hate speech and its consequences. on january 2, people for the american
way (pfaw) released its annual "hate climate" report, documenting "a
surge in anti-gay activity across the united states" in 1995. pfaw
describes 180 anti-gay incidents in this report -- the most recorded
since the group first started compiling the state-by-state surveys, three
years ago. significantly, this new report seeks to connect hate speech
(the homophobia radiated by public figures through the mass media) and
hate violence (the mundane savagery of private bashers and "ordinary"
bigots). according to pfaw president tom andrews, the study "documents
cases of harassment, discrimination, and violence against gay men and
lesbians and the hate speech by public figures like pat robertson of the
christian coalition and other religious right leaders who fuel it." call
202-467-4999 or fax 202-293-2672. [glaad medialert, 1/14/96]

--"conservatives: how christian are they?" a handy new handbook that
provides "biblical refutations of conservative quotes." according to
author mel thompson, "the basic goal of the handbook is to use the far
right's own texts against them." for more information, contact: mel c.
thompson, p.o. box 640552, san francisco, ca 94109. [glaad medialert,
1/14/96]


#6 media

--newyorktimeswatch. concluding a year-long love affair, the new york
times gave the 500-member anti-feminist "independent" women's forum a
christmas present in the form of yet *another* op ed, this time by rael
jean isaac. by our count, iwf got *six* nyt op eds in 1995, compared with
*none* for the members of feminist groups like the american association
of university women, business & professional women, emily's list, the
feminist majority, league of women voters, now, nwpc, women's campaign
fund, ywca, etc., whose collective membership numbers in the millions.
using a little math (dividing by 0), that means the times considers the
opinion of each iwf member to be worth *infinitely* more than that all
feminists *combined.* we would like to organize a meeting with the
publisher and editors of the times to challenge this intolerable state of
affairs. if you're interested in being involved in such a meeting, e-mail
us with the subject "nyt meeting."

--crossfirewatch. it's getting near decision time for cnn to choose its
"liberal" co-host. the front runner appears to be juan williams, a
washington post reporter. here's the dope on williams from fair: "search
williams' writings for his judgments on 'liberals' or 'the left' and
you'll find more criticism than praise. williams starred in a historic
crossfire episode about the clarence thomas-anita hill clash.
substituting as the left co-host, williams was supposed to be a
counterweight to pat buchanan, who wailed that liberal conspirators were
persecuting thomas. but williams agreed with buchanan. two days later, it
looked like buchanan had written williams' column, attacking 'so-called
champions of fairness: liberal politicians, unions, civil rights groups
and women's organizations'. the column concluded that 'liberals have
become monsters'." in second place appears to be bob beckel, who heads a
lobbying and consulting firm that represents corporate clients like the
walt disney conglomerate, long-distance phone companies and insurance
firms involved in toxic waste cleanup, and thinks the democratic party
should move to the right. keep up the pressure by e-mailing
crossfire@turner.com and telling them that williams and beckel are
unacceptable and we want barbara ehrenreich or julianne malveaux.

--pbs funding petition. pbs receives $1.12 per person per year from the
government, which republicans think is far too much. a january 1995
cnn/usa today/gallup poll indicated that 76% of americans wish to keep
funding for pbs, third only to national defense and law enforcement as
the most valuable programs for federal funding. this year, pbs comes
before congress for a three-year authorization. two women students at the
university of northern colorado, elizabeth weinert and nikki marchman,
are collecting internet petitions. to lend your support, add your name
and city to the bottom of this item and e-mail it to
wein2688@blue.univnorthco.edu (or kubi7975@blue.univnorthco.edu if it
bounces).

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date:         mon, 15 jan 1996 22:31:46 -0500
reply-to:     rustyr@delphi.com
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from:         "lisa a. ross" <rustyr@delphi.com>
subject:      hard drive disaster; requests

____message header information do not write above this line______
the subject line says it:  hard drive disaster.  so, please, would the
persons who posted the following take pity on me and email me
copies?  please?

the joys of indigo
indigo girls christmas merchandise
ways emily could get even with amy
"why amy is cool" list
"why emily is cool" list
amy and emily aol interview transcript
"closer to fine" engineering student's spoof

please?  i had cool cat names (mine were tucker underfoot and
christo-purr mousebreath).
rustyr

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subject:      moo - a different idea

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just 'cause some of you  might like the image. . . .  my parents have 61
acres of land in mississippi, and though they don't personally have cows,
some neighbors do.  one weekend while i was visiting, with my cats,
christo-purr mousebreath and tucker underfoot, some neighbor cows
liberated themselves and began roaming my parents front yard.  it just
happened that tuck was outside then, and my parents and i were treated
to the sight of tucker running behind cows in an apparent attempt to
herd them.  i was laughing especially hard because i kept imagining that
tuck was saying, "galileo?  galileo?  hey, galileo?  you here?  it's me,
koeppler!"
rustyr

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subject:      literary, music "theory," etc. discussions

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if anyone would like to discuss:  (1) literature, especially tie-ins to music
(2) how music affects a person's cultural perspective, "growing" years,
and helps define age-groups (3) how music can affect literature, esp.
through a writer's mindset during writing (4) how different types of art,
in general, may influence other types of art.  please e-mail me.  i'd
enjoy a discussion (i.e. exchange of ideas, opinions) along these lines.
rustyr

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date:         mon, 15 jan 1996 23:11:41 -0500
reply-to:     debbie o'donoghue <doobie@student.umass.edu>
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from:         debbie o'donoghue <doobie@student.umass.edu>
subject:      mangled lyrics

greetings all!

just to chime in on this conversation,  this is the lyric that i
always messed up until i read the words when i was learning to
play it on my guitar.  from love will come to you


"....as if i've offered up a crystal bottle of brew, where there's
now one, there will be two."

i'm sure there are many other lyrics i have destroyed over the years,
but that is the most prevelant one in my mind tonight.

only 7 more months until newport!!!!

peace!
-deb
doobie@student.umass.edu

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subject:      greetings

introductions, hmm....

        i am originally from dallas, tx; but currently live in san antonio.
i did a couple years each in central america and the uk with the usmc.
(lets just say big buildings, lots of antennas, and no windows)  not too
many scars from the experience.  now i am the lead technician for a major
regional isp in south texas.  my ee is on hold right now while i try to keep
the packets flowing.  when not fighting those fires i also operate and
maintain a 400mi+ fiber optics network here.

        i got turned onto ig when i was in scotland.  i picked up the
self-titled album and fell in love from there.  when not mainlining ig my
musical tastes run to melissa etheridge, sarah mclachlan, joni mitchell,
kristen hall, stephen stills, the doors, steppenwolf, etc.  (i like my music
with depth and attitude.  right now i find most of it coming from female
artists)

        next....
                                        bdh

brian d heaton                 *  we owe respect to the living;
network systems technician     *  to the dead we owe only truth.
fibrcom  san antonio, tx       *                voltaire
(210) 524-5552                 *

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subject:      nigc- jewel

hey y'all- i just have to do this plug for another one of my favorite
srtists( beside a&e)    jewel-- she is amazing- i just saw her live for
the first time tonight & i was astonished- i posted her tour schedule if
anyone is interested- she is co-headlining w/ edward mccain band.
tiuckets are only $8 in advance- soi highly recommend it. enjoy!! love,
katie><}}}">

to: jewel@smoe.org
subject: updated tour schedule

hi. here is an updated tour schedule for jewel as of jan. 10/96 (as faxed
from lenedra).

jan 12 - rockefeller's - columbia - south carolina
jan 13 - 238 performance hall - nashville - tennessee
jan 14 - be here now - asheville - north carolina
jan 15 - red square - chattanooga - tennessee
jan 17 - lynaugh's - lexington - kentucky
jan 18 - flamingo's - knoxville - tennessee
jan 19 - traxx - charlottesvfille - virginia
jan 20 - episcopal high school - alexandria - virginia
jan 21 - metro - long branch - new jersey
jan 23 - starz - allentown - pennsylvania
jan 26 - irving plaza - new york - new york
jan 27 - mama kin - boston - massachusettes
jan 29 - iron horse music hall - northampton - massachusettes
jan 30 - tuxedo junction - danbury - connecticut
jan 31 - the pickle barrel - killington - vermont
feb 1 - 930 club - washington - dc
feb 2 - sab bldg. washington & lee uni. - lexington - virginia
feb 3 - bogart's - cincinatti - ohio
feb 5 - odeon concert club - cleveland - ohio
feb 7 - blind pig - ann arbor - michigan
feb 8 - shank hall - milwaukee - wisconsin
feb 9 - metro - chicago - illinois
feb 10 - first avenue - minneapolis - minesota
feb 12 - people's - ames - iowa
feb 13 - hurricane - kansas city - missouri
feb 14 - nick & eric's - omaha - nebraska
feb 16 - blue bird - denver - colorado
feb 17 - fox theatre - boulder - colorado
feb 18 - the starlight - fort collins - colorado
feb 19 - zephyr club - salt lake city - utah
feb 20 - bogie's - boise - idaho
feb 22 - backstage - seattle - washington
feb 23 - town pump - vancouver - british columbia
feb 26 - press club - sacramento - california
feb 27 - slim's - san francisco - california
feb 28 - the catalyst - santa cruz - california
feb 29 - roxy theatre - los angeles - california

geoff warder
gwarder@icis.on.ca
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date:         mon, 15 jan 1996 22:26:14 -0700
reply-to:     "teresa c. esguerra" <sac83826@saclink1.csus.edu>
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subject:      re: moo - amy or emily?
x-to:         benjamin slavin <verdi@imap2.asu.edu>
in-reply-to:  <pine.sol.3.91.960112170954.10708a-100000@general2.asu.edu>

oh god...
        i come back from my vacation to 284 messages of this????!!!!!!
but you know what?  i have to get in this debate....so i'm a hypocrite.  ha!

        i'm sitting here, kickin' it with my musical partner/alteregoist
ponyboy, so we brought out the 1200c disks and settled it once and for
all.  all we have to say  is "listen to the freakin' damn mix!!!!!"  amy
and emily have always, since the fuckin' debut, been split in the mix.
for the most part, not entirely on your left or right speaker, but panned
to separate sounds and give a fuller mix.  diehards, rejoice.

        if you are facing your stereo, emily is to your right and amy is
to your left.  find amy deeper in the mix on the "galileo" track and
emily's not.

        this panning technique is a device of their producer, peter
collins.  i'ts real evident on rop and s.o., and he's used it to separate
the guitarists of queensryche on the albums he did for them....or maybe
it's the mixer.

        all i'm saying is that it fuckin' emily....geeezzzzzzz.

not quite sure of why pony and i are so frustrated right now....

and sorry of the curse;  it's too far up on the keybored (:)) to get the
asterisk to censor our fuckin' selves...

uugghhh...
teri and ponyboy

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subject:      back together again chords....

to chickensoprano (and anyone else interested...):

okay, this is my best guess as to the chords for "back together again" - i just
figured it out by ear really quickly, so it might have some mistakes, but here
goes...  (i also don't know all of the lyrics)

intro: g gsus g gsus

first verse:
(g)leaving ain't (gsus)fair, you know,
(g)parting ain't (gsus)just,
(g)people got to (gsus)move on, people got to (g)do what they (gsus)must,

chorus:
and we're (f)baaaaa(c)aaack together (g)again...(gsus)...(g)...
and i'm (f)never gonna (c)lose you as a (g)friend...(gsus)...

second verse: (see chords for first verse)

repeat chorus

bridge: (don't know all the words...sorry!)
(d)i guess that (c)...(g)...(c)...
(amin)thinkin' crazy thoughts.....(c)gonna set me (dsus)freeee(d)eeeee

third verse: (see chords for first verse)

final chorus:
and we're (f)baaaaa(c)aaack together (g)again...(gsus)...(g)...
and i'm (f)never gonna (c)lose you as a (g)friend...(gsus)...
no, i'm (f)never gonna (c)lose you as a (g)friend...(gsus)...
no, i'm (f)never gonna (c)lose you as a (g)frieee(gsus)eee(g)eee(gsus)end(g)

i hope this works for ya!  it might be capoed somewhere but i don't have the cd
handy at the moment...  any suggestions or changes are welcome!!!

thanx,
angela :)

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from:         helene burningham <h.burningham@ulst.ac.uk>
organization: university of ulster
subject:      please can somebody tell me whether i am getting through

i'm sorry i'm wasting space here, but i haven't been getting any
messages recently and all the mail i send is returned with an error
in the location.  it's all very disheartening.

hope it all sorts out soon.

helene

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from:         bird <younge@ucs.orst.edu>
subject:      my intro.
x-to:         helene burningham <h.burningham@ulst.ac.uk>
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        my name is elizabeth and i am an 18 year old at oregon state
university.  i'm in the forestry recreational resources program.  i like
to do anything outdoors.  i also love to listen to music.
well......hmmmmmmm.  i don't know what else.  boring old me decided to
post to this exciting thread.  it's nice getting to know y'all!
elizabeth

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from:         j.f.l.devaney@aston.ac.uk
subject:      for helene burningham (nigc)

hi helene (and sorry, everyone else),

i've tried posting you a welcome to the list, without sending it to the
list itself, but i get a delivery failure. ulst.ac.uk just doesn't exist
according to us.

welcome anyway, from one of the few uk list-members.

johnd

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from:         glee <b3102097@cc.ntu.edu.tw>
subject:      re: mini-intro and ig burnout
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hey greg; i stuff the time when i'm not listening to ig with
alanis morissette; life has been so much easier while waiting for
something new from ig since jlp came out:) are you on her list yet?
*thanks agian chris*

gavin

on mon, 15 jan 1996, greg flamer wrote:

> :-).  just wondering what everyone else does when even their favorite ig
> songs get old.  i'm burnt out--help me!  never thought i'd say that...
>
> greg
>
> ^                                                        &
> * "you live  you learn                                   @
> &  you love  you learn      --alanis morissette          &
> #  you cry   you learn"                                  ^
> +                                                        +
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subject:      jen stevens, last call

jen, i got your sase for tapes but do not know *what* tapes you
wanted...please email me as soon as possible.  thanks, jude :)

jhunter@fdic.gov

sorry for the bandwidth, but i won't do it again!

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subject:      cowboy envy (nigc)

for the person who wondered if cowboy envy might be amy and emily...the
answer is definitely not. cowboy envy is the name of dede vogt's band. if
you don't know about dede...you should; you're missing out on some great
music. i highly recommend her album called: the willing suspension of
disbelief. dede is an outstanding musician..bass and guitar player, singer
song writer, etc.

-sheri

interviewer (expecting an answer about musical interpretation): "maestro,
why do you play that passage so fast?"

segovia: "because i can."

(sstanley@infinet.com)


interviewer (expecting an answer about musical interpretation): "maestro,
why do you play that passage so fast?"

segovia: "because i can."

(sstanley@infinet.com)

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subject:      songwring ig fans?

hi all!

i am new to this mailing list. my name is dan. i am a 35 yo ig fan. i am
a computer geek by day, musician by night.

i was listening to "color me grey" the other night and i started
thininkg how this boot sounds like it was recorded in someones
living room. well, this got me to thinking about all the indigo girls
fans out there who might be songwriters themselves, sitting in their
living rooms recording themselves. and i got to wondering what other
ig fans write. soo.... i got this idea.

what i would like to do is trade tapes of original music with other
ig fans. if you are interested in doing this e-mail me at
d.perkin@access.texas.gov and we can work out a way to exchange tapes
with all those interested. i have posted this on the ig newsgroup
also, and already received some interest from folks there. please let
me know if you are interested in exchanging, or even just receiving
tapes of original music by other ig fans.

peace y'all

dan perkins
d.perkin@access.texas.gov

"although it was spontaneous, you'd think that it was well
planned. the day the bass players took over the world"
                                   -emily kaitz

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from:         lorinda wright <lw01@lehigh.edu>
subject:      thank god for diehards

well thank you teri and ponyboy for finding a way to prove what i've known all
along!!!! i told you it was emily! not to mention the fact that now i get to
go back and have hours of enjoyment panning the mix on my stereo back and
forth between more amy and more emily. ain't it wonderful finding out new
things about the music you've been listening to for years? and how predictable
that emily should be on the right. it's very comforting, though. somehow i
think it would be very unsettling to see them switch places. (oooh, that
reminds me, there are a group of photos on the wall at rdr of the girls
singing outside in decatur (probably the square), and they're actually on the
wrong sides. at first i thought maybe the negative had been reversed, but
nope. guitars and tattoo all on the correct side. so there you have it. they
actually changed places once. hmmm....i wonder if amy played lead that day. :)

now, i was thinking about you lucky folks who have the ability to get your
computers to say things like "moo", or "it's about time" or "who loves us?
nobody!" and i was wondering why nobody (as far as i remember) has their
computer doing emily saying, "i love you too." (definitely a prime moment on
12c). then i thought, oh no, i'd better not bring this one up because all
those silly, silly people out there probably think amy said it. :) :)

ima just wastin' time, wastin' time...
folkisgruven,
lorindigo

    i           will            not        be               complacent
lorinda wright           "learn to pretend there's more than love that
lw01@lehigh.edu           matters. -e.s.
lehigh university         "the apathy of time laughs in my face
bethlehem, pa             you say each life has its place. -e.s.
    i           will            not         be              complacent

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subject:      ind. iii ?

hey guys- i need the address & details for indicated iii. i have my tape-
but i don't know where to send it!! i think the deadline is coming up- so
if anyone could help- let me know- thanks :) love,katie

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from:         michael messner <mmessner@step.mother.com>
subject:      re: songwring ig fans?
x-to:         dan perkins <d.perkin@access.texas.gov>
in-reply-to:  <199601161450.iaa16226@access.texas.gov>

cool note, dan.  i am a songwriter and while i need to press more copies
of my (rough!) demo tape, i would be glad to swap cassettes with you or
anyone else who cares to.

hear my singin' call,
mike

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subject:      re: ind. iii ?
x-to:         katie mccurry <ktm@utkux.utcc.utk.edu>, ktm@utkux.utcc.utk.edu

i also need the address for ind. iii.
thanks!
lisa

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from:         queenie <amytryon@student.princeton.edu>
subject:      newport

can anyone explain any details about the newport folk festival to me?
it sounds familiar but i don't know anything about it. thanks -
amy/qu.

it's all a dream we dreamed one afternoon long ago...
                               grateful dead

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from:         "j. hunter" <jhunter@fdic.gov>
subject:      re: ind. iii ?

in case anyone else needs to contact rob about the indy iii tape, here is the
addr:

from:           rob_sticka@ccmail.gsfc.nasa.gov
subject:        re: indicated iii tape

jude :)

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subject:      re: nigc: can we cut it down, please?

i think all he/she meant was that the amount of totally unrelated material is
getting a little high around here.  private conversations, plugs for other
bands that are not related to ig, and the like really shouldn't be here in my
opinion.  that's what private e-mail is for.

matt

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from:         carrie christine brogoitti <carrieb@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
subject:      re: mangled lyrics

speaking of mangled ig lyrics...this seems like a perfect opportunity to
share my favorite ig concert memory.

at a concert i attend amy was the one who mangled the lyrics by saying...
       "gotta get out of jail get a hammer and a nail."

i think that the crowd got a kick out of it and it was cool to see amy's
reaction when she realized her own mistake. i guess it is one of my
fondest memories because it really sticks out in my mind...hard to forget.

carrie

"...perfect is a fault and fault lines change..."
                                -rem-

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from:         lorinda wright <lw01@lehigh.edu>
subject:      (fwd) jake aka millan & kenzie at smith's olde bar next week

i guess this never made it out to the ig list. go see these guys if you're in
the area. you won't regret it. and there's a second post i'll send along too
that's a correction to something in this one.

folkisgruven,
lorindigo


        i *think* i'd posted it to this list, but millan & kenzie has
changed it's name to "jake".
        furthermore, dan nolen of smith's/cotton club says that he's seen
bands who change their names fall down. we'd like to prove him wrong.
        we're playing at smith's old bar, on piedmont rd. at monroe (near
piedmont park) next wed.- i think we're the only ones on the bill, but i
may be wrong...
        we'd like you to come! smith's is a neat venue, great stage,
sound, and lights.
        and our new record will of course be available.
-chris (libcm@emory.edu)

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from:         lorinda wright <lw01@lehigh.edu>
subject:      (fwd) ps

and here's the correction to the original post about jake (formerly milan &
kenzie.) i know it's short notice, but check 'em out if you can.

folkisgruven,
lorindigo


>       we're playing at smith's old bar, on piedmont rd. at monroe (near
> piedmont park) next wed.- i think we're the only ones on the bill, but i


        umm, that's jan. 17th. mind going numb...
-chris

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from:         "christopher m. becker" <cmbecker@space.mit.edu>
subject:      re: thinline nobody loves us confusion
x-to:         julj03a@prodigy.com
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              jan 14, 96 8:41 pm

>
> i was listening to it and it seems to me that it must be amy that
> says all that stuff because you can hear emily in the backround,
> nowhere near the mic laughing.
>


i was confused by that too, until i realized....

  its emily with "who loves us," michelle mallone laughing, and amy
kidding around with the taper (jerry marotta?  gerard himself?  my
money is on jerry).


                                -- chris

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subject:      introduction


        hi everyone--

        i've really enjoyed reading about everyone on the list so i
thought i'd add to the pile.  i'm 19 and a sophomore at northwestern
university in evanston, illinois (i think that makes a few of us that go
to northwestern--go cats!).  i was born in washington state and moved to
oakland, california two years later where we've stayed for 17 years.  at
northwestern, i'm pre-med with a human development and social policy
major with a concentration in psychological services and a minor in
women's studies (whew!).  i hope i'll be a pediatrician in about 10 years.
        i've loved the indigo girls since i first heard ig seven years
ago and i saw them at uc berkeley in august '94.  my friends and i are
planning to go to the new orleans jazz festival this year, so i've got
that to look forward to in a few months (does anyone have basics on when
they will be playing and how to get tickets?).  my other musical
interests are tracy chapman, sarah mclachlan, peter gabriel, sweet honey
in the rock, and various a cappella groups.  well i think i've taken up
enough space by now, so if anyone wants to talk to me--feel free to email me.
        take care,
        christi


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subject:      nigc- dana's hello from mi

1/15/96
   hello to all posting in this forum! ever since i signed on with aol about
6 months ago, i have been searching for an ig group and now i have
finally found you! hurray!  :>)
    i thought mandy's idea about introducing ourselves was terriffic, so
here's
a little bit about me.  my name is dana and i am 24 and a third year law
student at the university of detroit-mercy law school.  i hope to do
environmental work upon graduation and passing of the mi bar..this semester,
i am doing quite a bit of work on issues in indian law, so anyone out there
with expertise or interest in this area, please e-mail me if you want to
discuss anything along those lines.
   i have been an ig fan since '89/'90..i have fond memories of traveling
during my freshman year in college with our field hockey team and listening
to two teammates sing their way through indigo girls, indigo girls album over
and over again on weekend trips.  i have seen the girls 6 times, all metro
detroit area shows.  plus- most memorably i had the pleasure of meeting a & e
at schoolkids records in ann arbor in 1991at a record signing when the girls
were promoting nomads.  i will never forget that, skipping classes that day
to get there early, waiting in line, and when i got up to the table i thanked
a & e profusely for doing signings like this, and amy didn't say much and
signed away, but when i told emily that this really made my week (meeting
them that is) she chuckled and said "aw, that was pretty easy! (making my
week)" such an encounter made me a fan for life... i even bought a guitar and
taught myself to play.

    i guess that is enough babble, i just wanted to say hello and tell
everyone how glad i
am to be here in the group. so long as my head is above water with my school
stuff, i hope to respond often to whatever is going on!
           take care - dana

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date:         tue, 16 jan 1996 18:24:51 -0500
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from:         "ann s. burke" <indigogwls@aol.com>
subject:      who loves us?

hi friends,

      listening to my cherished ig list friends brawl over the eternal
question of "is it amy or emily?" was for too much for my suffering heart to
bear. last weekend i took my 1200c's cd into my place of employment utilizing
the finest state-of-the-art audio equipment available (don't tell the
sheriff, please). consequently, it is my professional opinion that it is
(drum roll.............) emily stating, "who loves us...nobody."

      the "moo" question is another story. ig friends: we can now rejoice and
continue life with the knowledge that it is in fact our beloved emily
chanting those controversial words. re-build your lives and move on. ponder a
more formitable question: why don't the ig's receive greater exposure? why
don't radio stations play more of their music? i find ig music more appealing
than melissa etheridge or any whitney houston song (that the radio is beating
like a dead horse). oh, great ig list friends......help me with these
questions that cloud my mind (what little is left).


                              detective annie    xoxoxoxoxo

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from:         dianne <dianne@uci.edu>
subject:      re: moo - to end the debate *finally*
x-to:         maggie wheeler <maggiew@singnet.com.sg>
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maggie ::whap:: you weren't suppose to tell anyone about
*us*!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (wicked grin)

uhhh, who the heck are you????

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on sat, 13 jan 1996, maggie wheeler wrote:

>         no! you can't marry her benjamin!
>         i'm marrying her
>
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from:         dianne <dianne@uci.edu>
subject:      re: moo - to end the debate *finally*
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benjamin?
i can't marry you.
i think my girlfriend would be devastated! ::huge grin::
but, i think yer pretty darn funny too!
what more could you ask? mebbe the winning lotto numbers!
_____________________________________________________________

on fri, 12 jan 1996, benjamin slavin wrote:

> i think i'm going to die from laughter. will you marry me? someone with a
> sense of humor and an ig lover...what more could i ask?
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subject:      jcs cast

i was just wondering who the other cat members are of jcs - a reserection.
obviously amy plays jesus and emily, mary but i'd like to get some more info.
anything y'all can do to help me would be greatly appreciated!

thanks in advance -
avital

avital@lucy.cs.wisc.edu

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subject:      yet another intro!
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::pop:: - ping up like michelle requested...

hiya gang!
i am from southern california too, ohso close to the coast. i too work
for uc irvine... specifically for the college of medicine. being the
hard-working single mom that i am, i also waitress nights to keep the
budget balanced and my angelic, amazingly bright son in private school.

i consider myself a writer, aspiring to greatness in that respect. i love
the sun, beach, and good times with good people. i enjoy listening to the
igs, melissa etheridge, and a lot of others! (and chopin when i write).

any other so cal ig fans?

----dianne, looking to dip my toe in the waters of social butterfly-dom.
_______________________________________
on sun, 14 jan 1996, michelle d. richards wrote:

> hello, y'all,
>
> popping out of lurkdome for a moment so that i may introduce myself to the
> list as a whole (great idea, mandy).  i live in beautiful huntington beach,
> california with my partner, kate, and our two dogs, margaret and otis.  when
> i'm not working (@ the university, doing a veeerry stupid job - why did i
> get that english degree??) or listening to the girls, i love to rockclimb
> (any other climbers out there besides you, christina?), bicycle, read,
> whips, chains, nipple clamps...oops, that just slipped out ;););)<---i'm
> just kidding, no reeaally.  i value outspokenness, irreverant humor, great
> music and an inquisitive, open mind.
> it's been great getting an idea of who the individuals are that make up this
> diverse and loyal group.  i hope to see more folks from so cal popping their
> heads up to say hello.
>
> ta ta for now,
>
> michelle
> *****
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from: cindy katz

hmmm....well, i'm 25 years-old and have lived in san antonio, tx all my life.
(yes, brian, there is another ig fan in sa).  i am currently taking some time
off from school (what i'm going to do with a biology major/math minor is beyond
me) so's to build up that bank balance.  i manage a math lab at san antonio
college.  (it's a local community college)  i love cats, (with a name like
mine you have to) but only have one at the moment.  i also collect eeyore
stuff.  i started listening to the girls back in '89 when a roommate
introduced me to their music.  i've been hooked ever since.  i've seen them in
concert 3x, twice in sa and once in austin.

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x-to:         hburningham@ulst.ac.uk

hi helene!

just wanted to drop you a line & say hi!
it's nice to see someone on the list a bit closer to home than the other side
of the atlantic ocean!

take care,

regards,
jade

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subject:      intro

ok, you asked for it.  i'll try to keep it short.  my name is matt and i'm one
of the list "old farts".  (just turned forty.) i first heard a&e about five
years ago and have been becoming increasingly obsessed.  by day i'm a computer
tech, nights and weekends i'm a perspiring fiction writer.  i teach a fiction
workshop at the santa barbara writers' conference and i teach here in s.d..
*shameless self-plug here.*
i have a short story collection out, (a couple of you highly evolved
characters have read it).  it's called: the small dark room of the soul.
isbn# 1-885516-00-2.  it's a collection of twisted tales of terror that was
included in the year's best horror and fantasy for 94.  they also featured me
and my work in almost 2 whole pages in the san diego union.  this has been the
biggest thrill of my career so far.  so everyone in san diego who reads the
paper knows what a sick puppy i really am.

the ig's music is honest and they give it all away.  passion!  i feel very
deeply connected to them as an artist and i know we're coming from the same
place.  if i wasn't writing, i don't know if they would have affected me this
way.  saw them twice in concert.  second time i was right up front between
them.  tossed a couple of my small dark room t-shirts, ($15.00 - there's still
a few left -- plug plug) right into emily's arms.  she smiled and thanked
me.(though i know she couldn't see me), then tossed one to amy who frowned.

most of my friends cringe when i start babbling about the girls, but man oh
man, have i made a bunch of converts!
enough - i'm babbling now and i said i 'd keep it short.

matt

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from:         "<connie lindell>" <cojehali@aol.com>
subject:      re: demos, etc. on cd?

i debated with myself before posting this to the list, and i hope y'all don't
find this posting to be inappropriate, but with all the
singer/songwriter/musicians on this list speaking of demos, etc., i thought
some of you might find this info to be valuable.
my partner has just started a service which transfers audio from various
sources onto compact disc.  he's been in the music biz over 15 years and
started the service because several friends in local bands have complained
about the high prices and inconvenience of getting their demos put on cd.
his prices are *very* competitive - even more so because he's letting me
offer a 10% discount to all fellow ig fans! (which is my admittedly limited
ig content!)  he can also transfer out-of-print vinyl or other rare
recordings that people would like to preserve in a more durable form. anyone
interested can e-mail me privately for more information.  i feel kind of
uncomfortable posting what seems to be an 'ad' to the list, but i thought
that the singer/songwriter/musicians/music collectors out there might like to
know that this service is available at affordable prices!  if you have any
questions or want more info, e-mail me at cojehali@aol.com.  we're going out
of town for a few days next week, so if your query should arrive while we're
gone i promise a reply as soon as we get back - within a week at most! :)

now back to more important, entertaining issues....like who "mooed", etc...;)
;)

-connie :)

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from:         rachel rivera <mtngrl6@aol.com>
subject:      intro

hi y'all, i'll make it brief...i am 29 yrs. old, born and raised in san
antonio, texas. i have a great family, 2 brothers, mom, (dad's enjoying
reincarnation somewhere), no pets. i went to vassar college for a ba in
psychology, then columbia university for a bs in nursing (any alums out
there?). i live in redwood city, california, with my partner, janet, and i
work as a visiting nurse.  my favorite place in the world is the peace pagoda
(leverett, massachusetts).  i love life and try to live by the beauty of
music, art, and experience.  the ig have made an unforgettable impact on my
life and i'll always cherish them for that...  rachel :)

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reply-to:     "a. nadyne hagon" <ahagon@st6000.sct.edu>
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from:         "a. nadyne hagon" <ahagon@st6000.sct.edu>
organization: southern college of technology
subject:      question about jcs

i remember once upon a time that someone said that ig would be
re-resurrecting their version of jcs.  is there anything to this?  and do
i dare hope that the jcs tickets my fiance's parents got us for christmas
are the *right* version of jcs?  {not that i'll be disappionted otherwise
-- i'm from a tiny rural community in michigan, and this will be the
first time i've ever been to a play that wasn't done by the local junior
high. ;) }

hopefully!,
nadyne.

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in a message dated 96-01-14 08:52:22 est, rbc31@dial.pipex.com (andrew
stokell) writes:

>does anyone out there have a tape of the ig concert broadcast on the
>disney channel last year? if so, are you willing to do me a trade?
>tell me what you're interested in, and i'll see what i can do!
>
>andrew


~~what he said.~~ (sorry to take up so muuuch space for suuuch a small
request.)

moo. . . who loves us. . . nobody,

                            ~danna

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subject:      re: thank god for diehards
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i have emily saying "love you too" on my computer

on tue, 16 jan 1996, lorinda wright wrote:

> well thank you teri and ponyboy for finding a way to prove what i've known all
> along!!!! i told you it was emily! not to mention the fact that now i get to
> go back and have hours of enjoyment panning the mix on my stereo back and
> forth between more amy and more emily. ain't it wonderful finding out new
> things about the music you've been listening to for years? and how predictable
> that emily should be on the right. it's very comforting, though. somehow i
> think it would be very unsettling to see them switch places. (oooh, that
> reminds me, there are a group of photos on the wall at rdr of the girls
> singing outside in decatur (probably the square), and they're actually on the
> wrong sides. at first i thought maybe the negative had been reversed, but
> nope. guitars and tattoo all on the correct side. so there you have it. they
> actually changed places once. hmmm....i wonder if amy played lead that day. :)
>
> now, i was thinking about you lucky folks who have the ability to get your
> computers to say things like "moo", or "it's about time" or "who loves us?
> nobody!" and i was wondering why nobody (as far as i remember) has their
> computer doing emily saying, "i love you too." (definitely a prime moment on
> 12c). then i thought, oh no, i'd better not bring this one up because all
> those silly, silly people out there probably think amy said it. :) :)
>
> ima just wastin' time, wastin' time...
> folkisgruven,
> lorindigo
>
>     i           will            not        be               complacent
>  lorinda wright           "learn to pretend there's more than love that
>  lw01@lehigh.edu           matters. -e.s.
>  lehigh university         "the apathy of time laughs in my face
>  bethlehem, pa             you say each life has its place. -e.s.
>     i           will            not         be              complacent
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subject:      re: back together again chords
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on sun, 14 jan 1996, chickensoprano wrote:

> does anyone have the chords to back together again?  i finally was
> able to get to olga, but they weren't there either.  emily is
> embarrassed by the lyrics (1200c), but i'd still like to learn it.
>
> anna                meee toooo!!!  -mandy
>
>  "to keep milk from turning sour: keep it in the cow."
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ben-
        re: amy's tatoo...  have you heard that song "keeper of my heart"
on nomads, indians, and saints.  she sort of explains her tatoo...

"for you i would tatoo me with lines crossing into a hand,
and a heart that would never bleed.  the twilight and the horse
drawn om my arm standing for addiction, pray we go unharmed.
here is my love and anger, these are my gods,
these are my scars.  here is my love and anger,
my arms are burning, but they're open wide"

you've probably heard that before, but i thought i'd just remind you :).
-mandy

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subject:      happy birthday!!

happy birthday mardi!!  another bday down under!!  hope you had a fantastic
day!!  "every where i turn, all the beauty just keeps shaking me.."

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in a message dated 96-01-15 01:50:29 est, verdi@imap2.asu.edu (benjamin
slavin) writes:

> anyway i have a question. what is that tatoo on amys' arm. i know
>it's a hand of some sort but what's inside . i have a friend who actually
>wants to get that same tattoo on the same place. weird and a little too
>obsessive i might add.
> also when is the newport folk festival this year. i think i wanna go
>because ut's the only time they are going to play all year. a year
>without an ig concert is like a year without air!
>thanks,
>ben


1) it's the hand of god, s'posedly, tho' which "version of god" is rarely
specified.  don't know what's in hers, but mine (necklace, not tattoo) has
arabic verse inside.

2) me's also lookin' for news re. newport dates, if anyone knows.

3) someone please yell at me the first time i step on toes (ouch) or get too
annoying!  i know i'm a loudmouth at times, but my intentions are good!

            moo,

                         ~danna

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subject:      nigc: phyllis diller

for those of you wondering .. she is still alive .. i noticed (while reading
the tv guide) that she'll be on a telethon next week ..

ho hum ....

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in a message dated 96-01-15 01:51:32 est, creechal@cc.emu.edu
(chickensoprano) writes:

>on sat, 13 jan 1996 cranberry wrote:
>
>> yeah! :) there's what, about 6 of us by now? we can start a choir! :)
>
>i'll sing alto! :)
>
>anna

uh. . . can you use a french horn, oboe, or clarinet for backup?  or a frog
for the chorus?  (love to sing, can carry a tune, have no "voice"
whatsoever.)  (i just felt that all you luckylucky gifted singers out there
should know that and pity me.  sniffle.)

                moo,

                         ~danna

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date:         wed, 17 jan 1996 11:30:30 -0700
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matt wallace <mswguy@aol.com> said:

>i think all he/she meant was that the amount of totally unrelated material is
>getting a little high around here.  private conversations, plugs for other
>bands that are not related to ig, and the like really shouldn't be here in my
>opinion.  that's what private e-mail is for.
>
>matt
>
i agree with the private conversations (and the "me, too!"'s, but i
personally enjoy the "plugs" and info for other bands.  especially since ig
isn't touring or anything right now, i'd love to hear about other bands i
should check out.  just a thought.


jefrankel@ucdavis.edu

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subject:      attn. ben...

did you get my e-mail about amy's tatoo?
-mandy

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subject:      mangled lyrics

ok, how 'bout

blood & fire
"won't you whip my fire with your love, babe"


love's recovery
"feeding the cats around my intellect..."


-joann (no fancy .sig)

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subject:      re: happy birthday!!
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happy birthday,
mardi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


ayyyyyy! ;>

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subject:      re: nigc: can we cut it down, please?
x-to:         creechal@cc.emu.edu

in a message dated 96-01-14 18:05:02 est, creechal@cc.emu.edu
(chickensoprano) writes:

>i do not mean to offend or make you angry, but i was a little upset
>that you would want some of us to leave so that you can have the
>content you want.  i realize that large quantities of messages is not
>appealing when you have to pay for them, but i do believe that there
>is a digest form which many use.  perhaps if you contact the
>listserv, you will be able to find more information about filtering
>or digesting.
>
>anna


~the address to change your "status" to digest only (for anyone who cares and
is bored enough to read my posts -- yes, that's almost sarcasm :)  )  is
listserv@netspace.org: the body of the letter should contain only the words
     set indigo-girls digest

meself, i like the babbling and am glad that i have the "space" to contain it
all.  utterly, utterly merry!

                 moo,

                             ~danna

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subject:      nigc michelle malone & vld ??

yesterday i saw "relentless" and "live-building fires over atlanta"
in a used cd shop.  if anyone is looking for these, email me and i'll
try to pick them up for you. they only want $8 plus tax for each. i
could probably ship them for a couple bucks more. they only have 1
copy of each.

i have two ellen james society cds and never really cared for the
vocals. i understood chris did most of them. does cooper do lead
vocals for viva la diva? are they stylistically much different?

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subject:      jumanji meets you know you're a die-hard ig fan when...

     warning - if you haven't seen jumanji, then read no further! (don't want to
     spoil the plot for anyone.)

     this comes under the category of "you know you're a die-hard ig fan
     when...".

     i saw jumanji this past weekend, and when it got to the end, the part where
     the adults are transformed back into kids, i immediately thought, "but
     wait, no one gets a lifetime rehearsal!"


                                - carol.

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subject:      happy birthday!!
x-cc:         sistablu@desktop.com.au

happy birthday mardi!!  another birthday down under...perth sounds like a fun
place :))  hope you had a terrific day!!

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subject:      astrological discrimination pt. 2

i should go to bed.....

        but, i was thinking of some more astrological replacements for
"love will come to you"...you know the hard ones...

        "i was born under the sign of pisces
         like a bad jock, i will be choking in a crisis"

or...

        "i was born under the sign of aquarius
         like a bad poet, i'll seek some rhyme in sagittarius..."

        wow...killed two birds in one stone there, didn't i ;).

        emily saliers...the astrological bigot.  those darn cancers.
crabs picking at anything in sight.

        oh well jolly readers, i guess this is two minutes of your life
you'll never get back....

chatter, chirp, squeak, buzzzz,
teri/skooter

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subject:      re: astrological discrimination pt. 2
in-reply-to:  <pine.3.89.9601170359.a8685-0100000@saclink1.csus.edu>

on wed, 17 jan 1996, *i* wrote:

>       wow...killed two birds in one stone there, didn't i ;).

        oops...i meant to say *with* one stone.  now i'm trying to think
of how to kill a bird "in" a stone.  would that be an egg???

        noone said tauruses were good proofreaders, damnit!!!!

once again....
> chatter, chirp, squeak, buzzzz,
> teri/skooter

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subject:      astrological discrimination!!!

hey you crazy fools you,
        new thread??

        oh folks, sweet emily has participated in a grave injustice!!
the crimes in the world, the violence, the rage, the anger....and what
does emily saliers do?
        all those discriminated by their astrological sign, unite!!!
        "i was born under the sign of cancer
         like brushing cloth, i smooth the wrinkles for an answer..."

        what's this all about????

        i'm a taurus, and i was thinking about how much more the song
"love will come to you" would mean to me if she mentioned "i was born
under the sign of taurus..."  hmmmm....

        "i was born under the sign of taurus...
         like a soaking sponge, i take in love because i'm porous...."

        let your minds go, my friends.  for example...

        "i was born under the sign of leo...
         like greg louganis, i look real nice in my speedos..."
        "i was born under the sign of sagittarius
         like i am shy and unrefined, but gregarious..."
        "i was born under the sign of capricorn
         like brushing hair on a bald baby that was just born..."

        ohh...geezlouizzee...they don't have to make sense, do they?

hahahahahahahahaha!!!!

chatter, chirp, squeak, buzzzzz,
teri


        "and i don't know you that well
         but it don't take much to tell
         either you don't have the balls
         or you don't feel the same..."

                                -ani difranco

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date:         wed, 17 jan 1996 08:38:01 -0500
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subject:      re: jcs cast
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on tue, 16 jan 1996, avital livny wrote:

> i was just wondering who the other cat members are of jcs - a reserection.
> obviously amy plays jesus and emily, mary but i'd like to get some more info.
> anything y'all can do to help me would be greatly appreciated!
>
just look on the back of the cd -- the cast is listed there.

uh... you did buy it...


didn't you?

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admissions (call 800-827-8728), actor, director, ibm fanatic, documentation
author, single guy, & much, much more! apvlbsb. a+e=ig. try my home page at
"http://ucunix.san.uc.edu/~vogelap"          "the only way out is through."

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subject:      indicated iii deadline is approaching!

the deadline for indicated iii submittals is jan 31.  get those tapes recorded!

for newcomers, indicated is a series of tapes made up of ig songs as performed
and recorded by fellow list members.  folks send me their best renditions of ig
songs and i compile them onto one tape.  i make copies for anyone interested in
listening to it.  don't send me your requests yet!  i will post more information
in february sometime as to how you can get a copy of indicated iii.

if you want to contribute a song or two (or three), email me privately and i'll
give you a few more details.

rob sticka
rob_sticka@ccmail.gsfc.nasa.gov

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reply-to:     albuquerque hydroponics and lighting <ahl@swcp.com>
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subject:      amy's tatoo, what i know

> anyway i have a question. what is that tatoo on amys' arm. i know
>it's a hand of some sort but what's inside . i have a friend who actually
>wants to get that same tattoo on the same place. weird and a little too
>obsessive i might add.

ben,
  i'll tell ya what i know.  i heard amy talk about it once on david
letterman, at least i think it was on david letterman, way back around the
time of nis or rop.  she said it was a sioux indian cross.  needless to
say, i spent several hours at the university of new mexico library trying
to find pictures of sioux indian crosses (i'm part sioux myself).  no luck.
    the first time i met amy up in santa fe, nm i asked her what the tatoo
meant. she said a friend of hers had given her a book of symbols and that
she pieced it together from that.  for the life of me i cannot remember if
she gave me any details beyond that.  i did get her to autograph my arm on
the very spot where her tatoo was, my intention was to have her autograph
and the cute little cartoon character she drew above her name tatooed on
mine permanently.  unfortunately, i took off the next day to follow melissa
etheridge through 5 states on her yes i am tour.  bad sunny, bad sunny. oh
well.


                                           sunny

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subject:      my intro

i have enjoyed hearing about y'all. here's a little about me:
    i am proud to say i am a college drop out! i was a double major in
philosophy and english at the university of new mexico and became
disconcerted with "higher" education.  it all seemed like a game to me.
the trick was to simply regergitate what was being fed to me. rarely was i
ever taught to think for myself.  i kept a 4.o gpa by spitting out exactly
what my professors wanted to hear. disgusting! not to mention the fact that
i can count on one hand the number of people i know employed in the field
of their degree.
    i am presently the manager of albuquerque hydroponics (science of
growing plants without soil) i have the best boss ever! he's a hard core
skiier, takes lots of time off in the winter for ski trips, and
reciprocates by giving me lots of time off in the summer to follow ig
around (3 weeks in may and june last year). check out our home page (my
girlfriend deb created) at
                 http://www.swcp.com/~ahl/ahl.html
    my personal interests, aside from the obvious, include pottery,
camping, roadtripping, the lesbian avengers, and hanging out with my
friends.

                                             sunny
                                          sun@swcp.com

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              \"simil tuber et potato\"" <deatocm9@seraph1.sewanee.edu>
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subject:      intro-thread

howdy, folks! my name is charlie and i am a 25-year old grad student at the=
university of the south in sewanee, tn. i am currently studying to be a=
priest in the episcopal church  and have about one more year to go. i have=
been a big fan of ig since i was introduced to them by my guitar mentor in=
1990. she (my mentor) told me that i needed to get all of their stuff i=
could find, so i made a clean sweep of the record store's ig section and=
have been hooked ever since. i saw them in concert only once but i don't=
think i'll ever forget them- they are spectacular! i know, no news there! :=
)
        just like lots o' people on the list i play guitar and sing. i have=
chords to most everything  the igs have done from sf to 1200c and am ready=
and willing to share! if anyone would like to talk lyrics, etc. my address=
is deatocm9@seraph1.sewanee.edu.

peace, love, and strings that never break!- cmd+

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subject:      re: astrological discrimination pt. 2
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on wed, 17 jan 1996, teresa c. esguerra wrote:

>
>         oh well jolly readers, i guess this is two minutes of your life
> you'll never get back....
>

rotfl!! i love it!!
peace,
amanda

(notice i changed servers, just in case _someone_ out there cares!)
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amanda johnson
ae-johnson@nwu.edu
northwestern university
                                        "what is dark in me,
                                             illumine...."
                                                -milton
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from:         bertin lefkovic <indigboy@rci.rutgers.edu>
subject:      congregations in conflict (nigc)

hello everyone, i hope everyone is having a good day.  i am looking for some
info on gay/les/bi periodicals and gay/les/bi bookstores, and i hope that some
of you out there might be able to help me.

i am pursuing a position at my workplace, rutgers university press, in the
marketing dept., and i am putting together a marketing plan for one of our
most recent books, congregations in conflict, which covers many of the issues
and controversies related to the gay community and the church.  as part of my
proposal, i would like to get the book reviewed by various gay/les/bi
periodicals, both mainstream and radical.  i would also like to put together a
book signing tour at several gay/les/bi bookstores.  i would also like to
organize a speaking tour of left-leaning colleges with divinity and/or
rabbinical programs.

thus, if anybody on this list has any suggestions about any of these three
areas, i would greatly appreciate hearing them.  any and all ideas are
welcome.  this is a truly wonderful book and i would like to do everything in
my power to see that it becomes a best seller.  if anybody is interested in
ordering this book, or getting more information about it, you can e-mail me at
this address, or call me at (800)446-9323.  thanks for any and all help in
this matter.

let it grow

bert

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date:         wed, 17 jan 1996 16:30:57 -0600
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from:         amanda r bakken <bakkena@stolaf.edu>
subject:      anyone out there???

hi y'all.
is no one writing messages anymore, or is my account screwed up?  i
think the last time i got any ig messages was the day before yesterday,
and so i am very confused.
amanda

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from:         mr neil hunt <ph21nh@surrey.ac.uk>
subject:      cd ideas...

so, quickly skipping over the 'hey, i'm back, and weren't the states cold?'
part, and brefly stopping to mention that i'm going to post about the ig's
origs tape in a few days...

i had this thought...

suppose...
suppose there was someone, either on this list, or a friend of a friend or
someone...
just anyone...

who knew one or other of the girl's well...
and if they asked them, and if they agreed...
for there to be some kind of limited edition fan club authorised cd
of things like the first 7" and the ep, and other things that shouldn't
come under the epic contract (recorded before they signed etc. although,
maybe epic does have the rights to the ep, after all, they did release
half of it...)

and then any money made could be given to a decent cause. and not to
mr. bootleger over there...

we could do it. right??

apart from the major technical difficulties. like getting permission and
mastertapes and stuff...

or, just permission to do it for no profit. so like we could have things
such as...

7",ep,dented cans trax,sf 'rare' trax...
color me grey/emily's solo thing...
blue food/other early stuff...

and have a nice three cd set of all the essential early ig's with no guilt.

or maybe i just dream too much.
hmmmmmm....

@}--,--'---

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date:         wed, 17 jan 1996 17:57:44 -0500
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from:         michelle rena weiss <mweiss@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu>
subject:      history of us

to anyone interested...i just got a rocking new bootleg for chanukah
called "history of us"...it's really really excellent sound...part from
when they opened for the gratefrul dead, part from another show..plus
love of the common people, melissa and mona lisas and mad hatters...i
don't have the song list in front of me but i know it has pushing the
needle too far, hammer and a nail, welcome me, joking, land of canaan,
closer to fine, crazy game, a studio version of least complicated, and a
bunch of other good ig stuff...and if anyone had any other bootlegs
besides purple parrot, honor the earth, buffalo, cover me grey and
complicated girls please let me know...but only if its of decent sound
quality...and to anyone who i owe "days of wine and roses" to..i
apologize...i've been with out e mail for almost 2 months and soem of my
files are gone, so whoever i was talking to about that, just write me
again...thanks...michelle:)

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from:         dan perkins <d.perkin@access.texas.gov>
organization: ecsd
subject:      songwritng ig fans

hi all,

i posted this last week, but thought i would post it once more.

i would like to put together a tape of *original* songs by fans of
indigo girls. just so we can all share our original material with
each other.

i was inspired to this idea by the boot of "color me grey".
personally, i am very curious to hear what other ig fans are writing.

so far i have received about 8 or 9 inquiries, but would certainly
like more (not just songwriters either, short story writers and poets
encouraged to participate).

if you are interested, please e-mail me and i will send you more
information.

peace y'all

dan perkins
d.perkin@access.texas.gov
"although it was spontaneous, you'd think that it was well
planned. the day the bass players took over the world"
                                   -emily kaitz

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date:         wed, 17 jan 1996 16:20:04 mst
reply-to:     susan marine <smarine@cc.colorado.edu>
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from:         susan marine <smarine@cc.colorado.edu>
subject:      complete discography

hey all---

can anyone point me to a good, totally 100% complete ig discogrpahy on
the web? or mail me one that you have? i want to start collecting the
boots i don't have and i don't even know where to begin...

thanks a million. i'm sure i am not the only one who will profit from
this information!

have a great day...

susan

smarine@cc.colorado.edu

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subject:      post or private?

hello there fellow listers!  i posted a question to the list the other day
regarding boots, and got a strange response.  i got no less than 6 private
e-mails, but no one actually posted any responses to the list.  i was stoked
for the responses, but just wondered why people didn't respond to the list?
it would seem that this is the reason for the list, and i'm sure that there
are people on the list that would like the great info that i got.  so to all
of you who respond to questions with indigo girl content, if you do sent
private e-mail, could you also post it to the list?
thanks! kelly (who knew all along  that it was emily!)

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date:         wed, 17 jan 1996 20:00:18 edt
reply-to:     chickensoprano <creechal@cc.emu.edu>
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from:         chickensoprano <creechal@cc.emu.edu>
organization: eastern mennonite university
subject:      i conceed - it's emily!

okay, okay, it took some convincing, but i believe y'all now.  "moo"
and "who loves us?...nobody" are spoken by emily.  *sigh*  at least i
was right in thinking emily says "i love you, too." :)

if you still think these are amy sayings, post that, and i'm sure
that you will get enough public and private email to the contrary to
convince you as it did me. :)

anna

"to keep milk from turning sour: keep it in the cow."

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subject:      never!!!

awww.....
come on now!  conceding that it's emily????  never!  no matter how many
scientific witnessses you have, or how many witnesses you say you know through
a friend of a friend of a second cousin thrice removed of your pet iguana
who was there, i won't give in!!!!!

feelin' kinda rebellious,
sue

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              \"simil tuber et potato\"" <deatocm9@seraph1.sewanee.edu>
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              \"simil tuber et potato\"" <deatocm9@seraph1.sewanee.edu>
subject:      bootlegs, imports, etc

howdy all,=20
=20
        i wish to add another vote for having a list of bootleg/import tapes=
(and how to get them) put somewhere where those of us who are "bootleg=
challenged" can get in on the scene. any and all response in this area=
would be greatly appreciated. i need all the help i can get!=20
=20
        peace, charlie+

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date:         wed, 17 jan 1996 21:03:47 -0500
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subject:      nigc -- deep sigh, folks; yet another intro.

hello out there ~

my name's danna; i'm a new addition to this list. (they know that, d.)  danna
rhymes with anna; thanks for asking; not done grumbling at my parents for
doing that to me; i'm too shy to correct people all the time.   i'm
twenty-mumblemumble (27, ack! how did that happen so fast?) and live in new
jersey, which is not as hysterically funny as it sounds.  i am hoping to
relocate soon to maine, georgia, or colorado (how's that for diversity?),
depending upon which graduate school is foolish enough to accept me.  right
now i eke out a living doing freelance copywriting/editing and proofreading,
tutoring, and, uh, working as an insurance agent.  (it's temporary, i keep
telling myself, as the calendar pages fly in the wind.)

my introduction to ig came at the end of 1986, while i was visiting a friend
at emory in ga.  she gave me a gift while i was there, a lil independent ep
called "indigo girls," which included a song called "cold as ice" and one
called "finlandia."  i loved that record and mourned about independent
musicians who never get signed -- until the day i first heard "closer to
fine" on the radio and had to pull the car to the side of the road to make
sure i wasn't dreaming.  tra-la, tra-la....

anyway.  i read anything (any other heinlein, bradbury, tom robbins, neil
gaiman, or nick bantock fans out there?) i can reach, and listen to anything
within earshot, especially, s. mclachlan, band de soleil, ani defranco, dead
can dance, grateful dead, and. . . well, as i said, just about anything.
can't play guitar -- are there any lefties in the nj area who can teach me?
-- but play french horn, clarinet, oboe, etc.  haven't played in a band or
orchestra in several years, and miss it terribly.  do a fair bit of
rockclimbing (hi, michelle) and take as many road trips as humanly possible
(not many, in the last few years, since i accepted that fact that i'm a
quasi-adult).  one cat, named marlene partly because she thinks she's
dietrich, and partly because i was playing a lot of suzanne vega at the time
that the cat adopted me.

i guess that's enough; hell, that's the interesting stuff.  the rest is
pure(r) snores.

interesting how none of the intros i've read so far mention parents or
siblings.  (not bad, just a "hmm.")

                                   moo,

                                           ~danna (queen of parentheticals)

                    "and loss of love brings wholeness to us all"

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from:         joan daniello <hidnfire@aol.com>
subject:      newport festival
x-to:         wyohknott@aol.com

i've been going to newport for the festival for the last four summers, i've
seen and heard many fantastic acts including the 'four voices in harmony.(the
indigo girls,  joan baez and mary chapin carpenter). the festival runs the
first weakend in august every year. it's definitely worth the trip.

             joan

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reply-to:     glee <b3102097@cc.ntu.edu.tw>
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from:         glee <b3102097@cc.ntu.edu.tw>
subject:      re: congregations in conflict (nigc)
x-to:         bertin lefkovic <indigboy@rci.rutgers.edu>
in-reply-to:  <cmm-ru.1.5.821917311.indigboy@niflheim.rutgers.edu>

hello bert; you know my ex-boyfriend and i used to called ourselves
"indigo boys" singing "power of two" together:)

mcc has a monthly newsletter called "keeping in touch"; perhaps you
would wanna get a hold of them. i know rev. birchard from the san
franscisco branch; if you'd like i could give you his address.

hope to learn more about the book.

gavin
on wed, 17 jan 1996, bertin lefkovic wrote:

for some
> info on gay/les/bi periodicals and gay/les/bi bookstores, and i hope that some
> of you out there might be able to help me.
>

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subject:      nigc--another introduction

hey y'all, i guess it's my turn to delurk and give everyone my share of
blackmail material. ;)

i'm 22, living in se arkansas(no tears, please) where not many folks are
enlightened to the wonders and joys of ig(or anything else good) or
receptive to diverse people, ideas, or lifestyles(buckle of the bible belt).
sometimes a small town is nice and cozy(you know everybody), at other times
it can be horrid(they know you, and nearest liquor--20 miles). i attend
the university of arkansas-monticello(sic 'em weevils), and i'm graduating
in may with a double major in english(definitely) and history(hopefully) and
a minor in spanish. i've been in touch with the girls' music for 4 years now
and did get to see them once at lousiana tech in april 1993. when i get out
of school, i hope to find a job in the music/entertainment business based on
my loads of experience on our student programming board. so, if any of you
have any ideas/inspirations, i would be most appreciative. right now, my
most favorite spot on earth is san antonio, tx where my best friend just
moved to be with her gf. my passions are good music, reading, writing poetry
and fiction(novel coming not-so-soon), good food and wine, travelling,
student activities, and creating mischief and being just plain evil. >;) my
music interests are diverse, but my faves are ig, me, sarah mclachlan
(my current kick), mcc, mm, disappear fear, janet mclaughlin, rem, teresa,
alanis morisette, tom petty, bob dylan, joni mitchell, james taylor, janis
joplin, and i was recently introduced to tejano music(cool stuff!). i live
to meet and experience diverse people and cultures(and eat the delicious
ethnic foods which follow!). i mud, and i code on a new mud which i highly
recommend. as some of you may have recognized, i'm assilem from paradox,
and if any of you mud or would like to talk about muds or introduce
yourselves from 'dox, please e-mail me. i'd love to hear from you.

it's getting late and i'm sure y'all are tired of hearing about my boring
life, so i'll stop babbling now.

just one of the girls,
mindigo

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from:         katie mccurry <ktm@utkux.utcc.utk.edu>
subject:      (nigc- intro)guess what this is!!

katie mccurry- 18 university of tennessee , knoxville. i love- ig, jewel,
rusted root, joan osborne. have met all but ig :( . play guitar & sing :)
love music. this ->  ><}}}"> is a fish.  it's my e-mail trademark.  love
y'all! love,katie  ><}}}">

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reply-to:     florinek <alfabeta@bonny.hol.nl>
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from:         florinek <alfabeta@bonny.hol.nl>
subject:      back again, introduction

hi y'all,

well, something strange happened to me, i was suddenly off the list... am i
the only one to whom that happened, i like to know! i have now subscribed
myself for a second time and hope to stay a bit longer on the list and take
part to the discussions. unfortunately i have missed the introductions of
some of you. well, here is mine: as you might remember i'm from holland, 29,
studied history, but work as a freelance journalist for several magazines. i
like my work a lot , especially the part of being my own boss! it gives me
the feeling of being free but, on the other hand, being ones own boss also
means one's allways working. i intend to visit the us this year, i guess the
country in which most of y'all live. btw: is it true that the expression
y'all is a typically southern one? might seem a silly question to y'all, but
since i'm not a native speaker... furthermore, i extremely like listening to
the music of a and e. well c'est tout! is anyone awake and surfing?
bye,
        florine

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from:         ronald stubbe <rstubbe@bonny.hol.nl>
subject:      test

this is a test

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subject:      who am i?

here is some information about me:

i'm drew vogel, born andrew phillip vogel on 10-23-67 (at midnight, so
that makes me cusp of scorpio and libra and it makes me 28 years old). my
life has centered around cincinnati, ohio, but i've jaunted all over the
map at various times.
i learned about ig's when my (then) wife came back from summer stock (yes,
we're actors {shudder}, and i directing {groan}) with a tape. it was
love at first hear, so to speak.

from there, we went to see igs when they played the cincinnati zoo's
peacock pavilion, a nice outdoor ampitheatre and tiny venue. we were
about 20 rows back, but i was able to elbow my way up front for about 10
mins, to see them both close-up. during that show, they mentioned a sign
on my car (which was parked [illegally] on the sidewalk they walked up to
get to the concert) that said "indigo or bust". they thanked us for
coming out to see them too... it was cool.

lessee... last time they were through cincinnati, we saw them at the
music hall (a much larger venue and not as nice, imo). i took them
flowers backstage, and enjoyed the concert from the 9th row center.
then, i met amy in atlanta over new years, which was okay...

other things about me... i am a dog person (see pix of stanley on my
webpage, below), computer user (amiga is my true love, but pc is on my
desk at home, mac here at work), long brown hair, goatee, glasses, brown
eyes, about 5'11, 200, turn ons: people who like music and aren't afraid
to try new things, women who like humor. turn offs: intolerance (people
who don't "respect what they don't understand"), country line dancing.

oh wait... that's for my playboy bio. sorry.

i'm planning to go to london in may. anyone wanna go with? :-)

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drew vogel: admissions officer at university of cincinnati undergraduate
admissions (call 800-827-8728), actor, director, ibm fanatic, documentation
author, single guy, & much, much more! apvlbsb. a+e=ig. try my home page at
"http://ucunix.san.uc.edu/~vogelap"          "the only way out is through."

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date:         thu, 18 jan 1996 09:44:08 gmt
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from:         "j. hunter" <jhunter@fdic.gov>
subject:      re: post or private?

>>hello there fellow listers!  i posted a question to the list the other day
>>regarding boots, and got a strange response.  i got no less than 6 private
>>e-mails, but no one actually posted any responses to the list.  i was stoked
>>for the responses, but just wondered why people didn't respond to the list?


when anyone answers a post on the list, the default is to send it to the
person who originated the msg...it is easier, this way, to answer the person
and not the list.  to send an answer to the list, you gotta fill out the
netspace ig address and then send...it's the lovely way of least resistance :)

besides, it cuts out a lot of duh, like messages to the list like: "wow" and
other spontaneous but nonetheless creative duh.

jude :)

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date:         thu, 18 jan 1996 10:45:51 est
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from:         "christopher m. becker" <cmbecker@space.mit.edu>
subject:      nigc: friday night music, cambridge ma

hi folks,

   a psa/plug for all you boston area people looking for sothing to do
on friday night (1/19).  there are two excellent acts playing within a mile
of each other.

   ellis paul will be playing club passim (harvard sq.) with shows at
7 and 10 pm.  $10 tickets i believe.  most folks here know ellis, i think

   jon svetkey and his "very loud band" will be playing phoenix rising
(central sq.) at 9 pm.  i don't know what the cover is.  as i've
plugged previously, jon is simply lots of fun.  if you like "suburban
angst" and peolpe who don't take themselves too seriously, jon is your
guy.  =)

   i'm not sure about opening acts either.  i'm toying with going to
the 7 pm ellis show then cabbing it down to see jon... should be a fun
night.

                                laters,

                                  chris

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from:         "lisa m. verge" <lmverg@planetx.bloomu.edu>
subject:      re: post or private?
x-to:         kelly osborn <lolo227@aol.com>
in-reply-to:  <960117183828_119648392@emout06.mail.aol.com>

i read in your post that you received info on bootlegs. if possible,
please pass it my way or whoever responded to your request, please send
me the same. i have searched high and low for them. i am a huge fan of
the ig and want desperately to locate tapes.

thanks, lisa

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subject:      (fwd) thanks to y'all

i tried to send this message this morning but it bounced, so i was
wondering whether you could forward it to the list...please??!!


------- forwarded message follows -------
from:          self <sperrin/hb>
to:            indigo-girls@netscape.org
subject:       thanks to y'all
reply-to:      h.burningham@ulst.ac.uk
date:          thu, 18 jan 1996 09:41:38

well, who knows who this is getting through to...if anyone at all,
but hey, what the hell.

thanks to all those who are keeping me up to date with
everything...it's really good of you.

i hope the list gets sorted soon and then you won't all have to act
as mail-delivery servants!!!

hey and guess what...my friend sent me another ig cd yesterday...ig
live...pretty cool huh!!  and my cd player has been fixed so i can
play all my ig cd's to my hearts content.  blissful!!!

see you later

helene

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subject:      a stultifying weapon

when people chatter during a concert, i feel like
putting sand in their undies.

i-girl

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subject:      re: intro
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my god, is it just me or does amy just seem like an all around bitch. i
mean, i respect her and i love her music but i think she could be a bit
more pleasant. well, if i see her i'll tell her to be a bit more happy.
ben

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from:         susan marine <smarine@cc.colorado.edu>
subject:      grovel, grovel, grovel

hi all. i forgot to send carolyn my tape to get the independent stuff that
she has, and now she has been swamped with requests. i am wondering if one
of you kind souls would be willing to tape it for me if i send you a
tape? all i can offer in return is a copy of "in with the out crowd"
which i will be receiving from rdr soon, or a copy of either/both of
the videos i have, watershed and live at the uptown lounge.

please let me know if you are willing to trade! email me privately, please.

thanks!

susan

smarine@cc.colorado.edu

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subject:      re: intro

>my god, is it just me or does amy just seem like an all around bitch. i
>mean, i respect her and i love her music but i think she could be a bit
>more pleasant. well, if i see her i'll tell her to be a bit more happy.
>ben

here's hoping you get a clue sometime in the near future, ben...

ps  is it just me or does the level of the contributions to this list seem
like it's dropping exponentially as a function of time.

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from:         "j. hunter" <jhunter@fdic.gov>
subject:      bootlegs!

here is a posted msg i saved which explains some of the ig bootlegs available
for trade, if you can find the one who has it!

jude :)

subject:        *** bootleg and other info *** (old, no new info...)

ok! since there are like 20 messages a day on this subject, here's my
feeble attempt to maybe quell some of the undying thirst for info
relating to questions of the nature "what is x and where can i get it",
"what bootleg cd's are out there", etc...
--------------------
indigo bootleg cd's:
--------------------

nothing to hide and days of wine and roses
------------------------------------------
nothing to hide and days of wine and roses came out a while ago. they are
both from germany or italy and are from the night of 6/25/95 (or is it
6/28/95?) at radio city music hall in nyc. dowar and nth are the
abbreviations. they are both pretty good, and are not identical (nth has
chickenman and touch me fall (tmf) on it). i prefer dowar's high levels,
but many believe that nth has the superior audio quality.

history of us
-------------
came out this summer, i believe. the first batch was fraught with errors
(bad tracking, etc...) but subsequent batches seem to be fine. contains
some of a live show at autzen stadium in eugene oregon from like 89 or 90
opening for the grateful dead. contains a cover of melissa by the allman
bro's recorded in the studio from somewhere. also contains what may be
digital copies of tracks from reverse-1 live, a rare promo cd that
routinely auctions for $100-200. ironic, considering these tracks are
basically exactly the same and this cd sells for like $25-30. the live
concert stuff is good, melissa is great, and the r1-live material is
absolutely amazing (this is where you can find the acappella american
tune, livin in the love of the common people, a cool crazy game, land of
canaan, kid fears, and a few more in the brightest buzziest guitar you've
ever heard and full of energy...) great cd.

complicated girls
-----------------
came out very recently. has tracks from the glastonbury festival in
avalon england from 6/25/95 which are fantastic, tracks from nyc 12/5/94
which are good, and 4 from philidelphia pa 12/3/94. a few songs are
repeated, and they only got 4 out 16 track names correct (always amusing.)
of note: bury my heart at wounded knee and midnight train to georgia.

12:00 curfews and watershed and 4.5
-----------------------------------
these are not bootlegs but rather produced cd's. 12:00 curfews is a
double-cd+ set of live tracks. it is also a cd+ which means it has
multimedia type stuff for pc's. cool, eh? there is also an ig
screensaver which has some of the touch me fall video on it. not
the same thing. from sony. watershed is a  video compilation. both 12:00
curfews and watershed are due out october 10th, i believe. 4.5 is a uk
release of greatest hits. all studio cuts.

how do i get these cd's?
------------------------
ok, here's a quick review. first, call rainy day records in atlanta at
1-800-636-6166. ask them. they probably won't have it anymore. then look
in collector catalogs and that kind of thing. you can also post to the
list and ask for anyone selling or willing to trade or copy for you. or
you can ask the list for the addresses of the companies that make the
cd's and order directly from them, though that usually entails an
international money order which lifts your overhead up a little (like
around $15...)

what's indicated i/ii/iii?
--------------------------
indicated (a variation of the deadicated theme... a cd of covers of
grateful dead songs) is a compilation of list musicians' covers of ig
songs. indicated i came out a year or perhaps a few years earlier (i have
no sense of time, sorry) and was followed by indicated ii. iii is
currently being organized, i believe (could be wrong about that...)

what's cover me grey?
---------------------
cover me grey (a play on a very very early amy tape called colour me
grey) is a tape of indigo girl covers from various sources. see the list
for postings about how to get on the tape tree.

what's a tape tree?
-------------------
where the originator of the tape distributes copies to various folks who
then distribute those to various folks. usually only those two levels
high.

what about non-"professional" bootlegs?
---------------------------------------
many listmembers and other ordinary citizens tape shows themselves with
everything from a portable sony tape recorder to a complex setup of
microphones and portable dat machines. these tapes float around and are
copied over and over again.

etiquette demands that you don't come up on the list with some message like:

"hey, i want copies of live shows. someone please post information or
email me."

hopefully, you will not get a response to such messages.

these people are doing you a huge favor, so remember to treat them that
way. most veterans understand that when starting out you can't possibly
trade because you have no boots to start with (i am the classic
example... a _very_ generous person started my collection with like 9
tapes...) remember that you can trade other things (like boots of other
groups, copies of promo stuff you may have, etc...) but don't fall into
the "sure i copy it for you. just send $15 for my trouble." bootlegging
shouldn't be a business. except in rare cases (like indicated iii) when
money is exchanges for very real reasons, you will be able to find
someone to copy stuff for you for free (exceptin a sase and tapes of
course.)

getting started can be difficult, but once you get going, it's not hard.
hope this clears some stuff up.

by the way, probably 100% of this is in the faq and the discography, both
of which i believe are on the web site, the address of which i can not
recall presently.


p.s. does anyone have that web site address handy?

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date:         thu, 18 jan 1996 11:35:55 -0800
reply-to:     michael messner <mmessner@step.mother.com>
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from:         michael messner <mmessner@step.mother.com>
subject:      re: back again, introduction
x-to:         florinek <alfabeta@bonny.hol.nl>
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florine:
        as far as i know, y'all is more or less a southern term, although
yankees (non-southerners) use it a lot when they imitate southerners.  it
is never, ever used in reference to one person; it's always plural.  a
lesson i learned when i was in georgia and tennessee...

glad you're back on the lis!
--mike

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date:         thu, 18 jan 1996 13:51:53 mst
reply-to:     susan marine <smarine@cc.colorado.edu>
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from:         susan marine <smarine@cc.colorado.edu>
subject:      horrible faux pas number one

hello friends. i just wanted to send a public, open apology for offering to
trade copies of my videos and/or in with the out crowd for a copy of
carolyn's independent stuff. i had no intention whatsoever of violating
ig newsgroup etiquette, but apparently i have, and am truly sorry. i
admit ignorance: i didn't know we weren't supposed to trade commercially
available stuff for other stuff...it makes sense, knowing it is emily and
amy's livelihood we're talking about, but i just *spaced* that part!

anyhoo, i rescind my offer to trade my stuff but will happy to talk future
bootlegs, etc. down the road

*blushing*
susan

smarine@cc.colorado.edu

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date:         thu, 18 jan 1996 15:57:29 -0500
reply-to:     amy staples <astaples@email.unc.edu>
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from:         amy staples <astaples@email.unc.edu>
subject:      drop off in messages

many people have mentioned a drop off in messages on this list.  i'm not
surprised that a list devoted to a musical duo currently on hiatus(sort
of) is short of subject matter.  maybe it's because there aren't specific
concerts to talk about or music....  it puts out a challenge to all of us
to come up with some interesting threads (that from someone who rarely
posts to the list! :))

amy

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reply-to:     naz <nazman@iastate.edu>
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from:         naz <nazman@iastate.edu>
subject:      re: intro
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>my god, is it just me or does amy just seem like an all around bitch. i
>mean, i respect her and i love her music but i think she could be a bit
>more pleasant. well, if i see her i'll tell her to be a bit more happy.
>ben

ben,

i think it's far too easy to dismiss someone (anyone) else's problems as
them being a bitch.  please, try to have a little more compassion-- it's
hardly our place to demand that she be more pleasant or more happy, when
inside she may be going through some rough times (not that i would know)
or enduring some kind of sadness or pain (again, i don't know this, it's
just a matter of imagining what others could be going through.)

i share your desire to see her happy.  she deserves that as well as the
benefit of the doubt when she is less than effusive.

take care,
naz

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from:         angela ciesla <angiecies@aol.com>
subject:      re: post or private?
x-to:         lolo227@aol.com

yes, since i am new to e-mail, i am also confused. when i reply to this, does
everyone get it? or just the originator. the reason i'm asking is i suggested
a few new "threads" ( which songs other than original ig's has everyone seen
in concert, (i saw tuib, and one by james taylor) and also what song snippets
has amy inseted into tmf (free bird, when i saw them in october ). please let
me know if i'm doing this correctly!  also, a lot of reference has been made
to a&e not touring, or releasing anything new. is this correct, and if so
where did ya'll get this info (i swore i wouldn't use that phrase, but it
works real well there.)

angie (recently from buffalo, now shivering in kc where it is less than
zero,)

p.s. since i wrote the first part, i read a few replies explaining this.
please let me know if what i've done works. thanks.

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date:         thu, 18 jan 1996 15:09:04 -0700
reply-to:     chris talbot <chris.talbot@m.cc.utah.edu>
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from:         chris talbot <chris.talbot@m.cc.utah.edu>
subject:      re: concert on disney channel
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hey, everyone.

i thought i would post this on the list, since there has been more than
one request for it.  i have a pretty good copy of the concert from london
broadcast on the disney channel that i am interested in trading for
bootlegs, hard to get recordings, etc.  the concert tape is a
disappointing 45 minutes long, and cuts from song to song to song with no
dialog.  but it has a killer version of this train (jacob's ladder
included) and a good version of fugitive.

i also have a cd of 4.5 if anyone is interested in a copy of that.

thirdly, i have a copy of a locally broadcast episode of austin city
limits, broadcast on public television here in hickville slc utah.  it is
about an hour long and features ig, julie gold, mary chapin carpenter and
is hosted by nancy griffith.  ig performs hammer and a nail, jonas and
ezekial and fare thee well.  it's kind of an old recording, like '91 or
'92, but i like it.

anyway, i'm offering up any of these up for trade.  e-mail me if
interested.  at this point i have no time/numerical restrictions, but
we'll see if i get overwhelmed (me and my inner-child, that is).

chris talbot
<chris.talbot@m.cc.utah.edu>

"i cannot believe that the
universe could be so kind
as to be godless."
        --kevin smith

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date:         thu, 18 jan 1996 17:42:00 pst
reply-to:     "hullett, belinda/mgm" <bhullett@mgm.ms.ch2m.com>
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from:         "hullett, belinda/mgm" <bhullett@mgm.ms.ch2m.com>
subject:      re: intro

it is just you.  and i don't know how you can say you respect her in the
same breath that you used to insult her.  and by the way, you must not
have seen "watershed" yet, because amy comes across as being quite
pleasant and funny.  they both do.  so cut out  the namecalling, how
'bout it?

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reply-to:     "charlie deaton,
              \"simil tuber et potato\"" <deatocm9@seraph1.sewanee.edu>
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from:         "charlie deaton,
              \"simil tuber et potato\"" <deatocm9@seraph1.sewanee.edu>
subject:      thread: lyrical insights

hi y'all ( i'm from mississippi and i now feel obliged to use this form of=
the 2nd person plural pronoun :)   ).

        i am in class here at sewanee and i have been turning to a&e over=
the past two years for quotes, etc, and i was wondering what other people=
were thinking. i know everyone knows that  a&e write some incredible words=
about some incredible things, but i guess what i was looking to start up=
was a conversation on what certain songs/phrases brought to mind in=
everyone else out there- i know what i think but i also know that insight=
is an individual response and i am certainly not the only individual who=
listens to ig. being new here, i may have missed out on the recent=
landslide of mail on this very subject and i do not wish to flog a dead=
camel. but if anyone is interested i would like to start up some=
conversation along these lines.=20

        for instance, the other month i was leading music at a youth retreat=
and chose sf as the lead song for a whole section of the weekend- some of=
these people had never even heard of ig before then, and now they can't get=
enough! that song really says some wonderful stuff about the nature of love=
and the way people ought to use it for each other.=20

        anyway, if this is an appropriate post-it thread and semi-demi-hemi-=
interesting request, let's chat!=20

peace, charlie+

ps- this is not research for a paper or anything like that, so there is no=
fear of me mutilating your words to gain my own authority :). this is=
strictly the inquiry of a fan to other devoted fans, equal partners in this=
mystery of life.   cmd+

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from:         sue harney <sharney@smith.smith.edu>
subject:      sue screws up again!!!

hi y'all!
in spite of all the messages about reducing messages (seems a little ironic to
me), i'm going to tell you all my short, pitiful story.  i came back from
the used cd store this afternoon, where i bought complicated girls.  i came
in, put it in the cd player, and pushed play.  instead of the galileo that
i was expecting, it was joking.  and it sounded really familiar.  i
dismissed  that , though, and listened to the rest of the cd, and was
thoroughly disappointed.  everything i heard was the same version as on 1200.
so, i left for dinner considering my money wasted and feeling pretty
mad.  i got back, and took the cd out of the player to take back to the store.
when i lifted it up, i realized that the first of the 2 1200 cds was under
it!!!!!!
okay, now that i feel really silly, and i'm happily listening to the real
comlicated girls, i'll let y'all get on with your lives.

silly sue

"i wanna have sex in the middle of nowhere!" -amy ray

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from:         benjamin slavin <verdi@imap2.asu.edu>
subject:      chickenman?
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i'm looking for someone who might have a bootleg of amy ray singing
chickenman with her monologue. i know that "out with the in crowd" has it
but being a college student i don't have 30 or 40 bucks to blow on a cd.
so mail me back if you do. thanks, ben

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subject:      mangled lyrics...

sorry this is a little late...been havin' trouble with my server for
the past two days...

this one is from the 1200 version of galileo...
ofcourse i never actually believed these were the lyrics...because i
know the song...but it's fun to think of other words...

here goes..
    "i call on the resting soul of galileo, king of night fishin', king
of insight"....or fishun'..whichever sounds closer.

*peace*
    em

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reply-to:     lorinda wright <lw01@lehigh.edu>
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from:         lorinda wright <lw01@lehigh.edu>
subject:      quotes

ok, this is sort of related to a recent post by charlie, but i've been
intending to ask this for a while, so i guess now's a good time to bring it
up. i'm starting to write my ph.d. dissertation. (in biochemistry, just in
case you're burning with curiosity.) i'm going to include two quotations in
the beginning of the dissertation. one will be from emily, and one from amy. i
know there are lots of really great things that other people have said, but
the profound effect that amy and emily have had on my life simply must be
represented in the thesis, and so i'm definitely using a quote from each of
them. furthermore, since we're talking about a 100+ (hopefully) page thesis,
the quotes can also be very long. i've already decided on emily's. i'm using
_all_ of watershed. when i started looking through their lyrics, it just
struck me how totally appropriate every word of that song is to this moment in
my life. now the problem is, what amy song can i use? i'm thinking about world
falls, because a)i love the song, and b)it's definitely profound and
appropriate to life in general. but it doesn't have the same "perfect fit"
feeling that i got with watershed. i also thought half jokingly about really
freaking out my advisor and using the chickenman stream of consciousness from
amy's b-day show. but i think "i wanna have sex in the middle of nowhere" and
other such things might just be going a little too far. (besides the fact that
i can't for the life of me see how that's relevant to me getting my degree. :)
anyway, the question i shall put to y'all is: can you either find me a really
great really relevant amy song (or stream of consciousness, etc), or can you
convince me that world falls is a good one for the occasion? thanks in
advance. :)

folkisgruven
lorindigo

    i           will            not        be               complacent
lorinda wright           "learn to pretend there's more than love that
lw01@lehigh.edu           matters. -e.s.
lehigh university         "the apathy of time laughs in my face
bethlehem, pa             you say each life has its place. -e.s.
    i           will            not         be              complacent

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date:         thu, 18 jan 1996 18:54:37 est
reply-to:     "christopher m. becker" <cmbecker@space.mit.edu>
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from:         "christopher m. becker" <cmbecker@space.mit.edu>
subject:      re: quotes
x-to:         lw01@lehigh.edu
in-reply-to:  <199601182327.saa98456@ns2-1.cc.lehigh.edu>; from "lorinda
              wright" at jan 18, 96 6:26 pm

   as another grad student starting their dissertation (astrophysics,
mit) may i suggest reunion?  many is the time i've felt like i had to
submit myself and my will to my advisor.  reunion to me is a song
about breaking free, about realizing that those with power over you
only had that power 'cause you gave it to them (or you joined their
group)--and now you've taken it away. =)  as amy sings it:

                "i rode out of there with no one behind me
                  feels so funny to be free"

but then again, my grad experience hasn't gone so well; hopefully
yours is better. *grin*

anyway good luck with the dissertation and your search!

                        -- chris

   ( who has already choosen "i've spent 7.1 years prostrate to the higher
        mind, got my paper and i was free" as my afterward...)

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subject:      bootlegs?

hi everyone.  i'm new to this mailing list and was wondering if anyone had
bootlegs that were copied for you by carolyn spidle.  i am interested in
obtaining some of these and carolyn said that she's taking a break from
making copies.  she told me to ask one of you if you would make copies for
me.  any bites?  thanks.

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date:         thu, 18 jan 1996 18:38:46 -0600
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hmm...rebecca feels confused and bemused.  what is this here 'out with
the in crowd' some of you folks are muttering about.  have i missed
something of vital importance in my month away (in blissfully rainy,
overcast britain, or "home", as i like to call it)?

rebecca.
(who stumbled across 'the times they are a changin'' yesterday in a used
record shop, and doesn't think the 'tangled up in blue' on that comes
even *close* to the one on 1200 curfews...).

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from:         deb reiser <debbie@mei.com>
subject:      re: quotes

* anyway, the question i shall put to y'all is: can you either find me a really
* great really relevant amy song (or stream of consciousness, etc), or can you
* convince me that world falls is a good one for the occasion? thanks in
* advance. :)

lorinda:
how about one of the tmf socs like this one:

hey man! it's time to get up.
i'm comin'--just give me 5 more minutes...
you know what your problem is, man?
no, what's my problem?
you're so worried about everything fallin' all apart that you don't
even do anything with yourself...
yeah, yeah, somewhere <?>
so, i want you to wake up, i want to wake up, that's right
<sighs>
get up every morning, and say this, tell yourself, "get up. walk out
your door. hold your head high. say hello to everyone you meet. have
love in your heart. turn your anger into energy. turn your hate into
love. if you hate, tell someone you hate. and then you will love. if
you are mad, tell someone you're mad, and then you won't be mad.    i
will not be complacent. we will not be complacent. we will not be
complacent. we will not be complacent. we will not be complacent. we
will not be complacent. we will not be complacent. we will not be complacent.
<screaming> we will not be complacent! we will not be complacent! we
will not be complacent! we will not be sexist! we will not be
homophobic! we will not be racist! we will be united! and we will not
be complacent! and we will be glad -- that we are-- alive!!!

--amy ray seattle 8/17/94

followed by:

... i shambled after as i've been doing all my life after people who
interest me, because the only people for me are the mad ones, the one who
are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, the ones who never yawn or
say a common place thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman
candles exploding like spiders across the stars and in the middle you see
the blue centerlight pop and everybody goes "awww!"

--jack kerouac, from on the road

don't know how that will fit with your paper, but the idea of bringing a
third person in, almost as if to comment on and support the first two,
could be powerful.

deb
debbie@mei.com

with thanks to david hirning for the tmf stream and w. scott whitlock for
the kerouca passage.

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date:         thu, 18 jan 1996 19:51:00 -0500
reply-to:     perry thompson <rainy@mindspring.com>
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subject:      re: kristen hall speaks!

hi...this is kristen hall.  i'm speaking to you through my friend, perry,
from rainy day records.  i've been meaning to drop in for a while now.  i
understand there was some confusion regarding my shows in atlanta during
the holidays, and i want to clear things up a little.  every year around
the thanksgiving/xmas season, i get together with some of my best pals to
do a thing called the "hell-n-ready experience".  the idea is to make
people laugh during the most stressful of times.  an unfortunate by-product
seems to be that people get misled into thinking it's a kristen hall show
and are justly disappointed to find a bunch of weirdos in 70's drag playing
bad 70's music.  club owners feel they need to use my name to promote the
show, which works well when worded correctly, however this rarely occurs.
i just wanted to apologize (especially to the folks from out of town) for
any inconvenience/disappointment it may have caused you.  on a brighter
note, i am in the studio working on my next record.  this is by far my
favorite thing i have ever done, and i can't wait to share it with
everyone.  also, perry and i have entertained the idea of holding a live
question & answer session on internet through this account.  let us know if
this is something that interests you and what time would be best.  send
feedback to perry at this return address...at any rate, i'll speak to you
soon re:  my new record.  until then, be safe...
                                         kristen

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date:         thu, 18 jan 1996 21:10:23 est
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subject:      re: thinline nobody loves us confusion

<<its emily with "who loves us," michelle mallone laughing, and amy
kidding around with the taper (jerry marotta?  gerard himself?  my
money is on jerry).>>


i listened to it again and you are right.

thanks for clearing it up.

: ) : )

molly

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subject:      ctf on 1200c - amy or emily ????

ok ... now i never questioned who said moo or who loves us nobody (both emily
on my cd) ... but i must see what everyone's response to this one would be
...

on 1200 curfews -- closer to fine .... before the penny-whistle solo ... who
sings the "closer i am to fine" (by themselves) and then say's "sara !"  ...

i'm voting for amy ... but i could be wrong ...

the guini-meister

"oh f*ck .."   -- amy ray at newport '95

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subject:      another introduction

hi everybody!  i am new to the list and i guess that i joined at a good
time when everybody was making introductions.  i am a sophmore at the
university of new hampshire.  i am majoring in molecular biology.  i just
love the ig's.  i got the live cd for christmas and have been surgically
attached to it ever since.  i have converted both of my roommates to be ig
fans.
i have been reading all of the messages for a couple of days now, i
enjoyed reading the moo debate.  i also wonder why the radio doesn't play
more ig songs.  if anyone knows of a good radio station in nh that plays
ig songs please let me know.
i want ig bootlegs but i don't have any to
trade with yet.  i do have a friend who i can get phish or dave matthew's
band from.  he has lots of phish and some dmb. just email me if you are
interested, and i hope that someone is!

nicole   nmpiche@christa.unh.edu

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date:         thu, 18 jan 1996 23:08:45 -0500
reply-to:     "p.u.n.k. girl" <warra5c0@numen.elon.edu>
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subject:      hello?

where is everybody?
ever since that groucho said that he was getting too many messages,
(weep weep), this list has hardly even existed.  i think that pretty
much defeats the whole purpose.  i miss y'all.
-mandy

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subject:      boots....offer.

hey all....
    don't know why i never thought of this before...but recently a
huge-well not huge...but pretty big- stash of grateful dead boots-i
think they're boots...don't really know- fell into my hands.  i have no
use for them -at least not at this point in my life- and was wondering
if there was anyone out there at all who would be interested in them.
as far as trading...i would love to get my hands on some ig ones...but
if not...i'd be willing to send them to whoever wants 'em.  all except
the postage might be a little high...gotta make sure my funds are ok
before i buy the stamps.  *smile*
    hope there's at least one soul out there interested.
    take care all...happy friday!!!!!!
*peace*
    em

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subject:      re: boots....offer nigc

sorry i forgot to say nigc....well...sigc i guess....but you know what
i mean.
forgive me
*peace*
    em

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subject:      m. malone cds

the michelle malone cds have been spoken for. sorry! wish there would've
been more to offer. i'll keep my eyes open.

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subject:      nigc: commonbond

ok ... here's one of those "plugs" for a local duo ...

the girls are playing the birchmere in alexandria, va on saturday ... it's a
cd release party (for their second independent cd) .... "the colors of life"
...

shwo starts at 8:30 pm ... and i'll be there  .... along with several other
listmemers (y'all are still coming right ???)

i'll be going now ... gotta pack !!!!

chris

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from:         helene burningham <h.burningham@ulst.ac.uk>
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subject:      well, if this works...

hi there.

if this message is getting through to the list then i owe a big thank
you to bon in alaska.  it doesn't solve the fact that i don't get any
list mail, but it's half the problem sorted.

you are an absolute genius bon...thanks a million

see you later

helene

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subject:      no message...just talk

hi y'all

now that i know that i had the wrong address for the list, i can
write to y'all to my hearts content.

i've just given my first presentation to the department, for my phd
so now i'm elated with momentary freedom.

anyway, most of you probably have no idea what i'm babbling on about,
but hey...thats what starts conversations!!

well i hope y'all have a cool weekend...i'll just be relaxing
listening to the ig's.  wish there were others around here that are
big fans...i'd love to be in a little band that played ig stuff all
day long.  dream-on...

ok i'll talk to you later

helene

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from:         rob sticka <rob_sticka@ccmail.gsfc.nasa.gov>
subject:      clarification on indicated iii
x-to:         jhunter@fdic.gov

i wanted to clarify something jude said about indicated iii:

no one is making money off of the indicated tapes.  this is strictly a "for fun"
activity.

to get a copy of indicated ii, one can send me a sase with a tape - no money is
needed.  i usually recommend just sending me $3.  i think this is easier and
less expensive than the sase w/tape approach.  this saves you postage money
since you don't have to send me any tapes.  i buy the blank tape (costs about
$2) and i go to the post office (about $1 in postage).

we'll probably end up doing some sort of tape tree for indicated iii (to take a
large burden off of my shoulders).  i don't know what the arrangements will be
yet.  i am not taking indy iii requests yet!!

indicated iii is being put together and should be available sometime in
february.

rob

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subject:      re: indigo-girls digest - 17 jan 1996 to 18 jan 1996

this is true y'all is always a plural term.  sometimes you'll see a
person say something like "do y'all have any capo's?", when talking to
one person.  but, that is because the are talking to a clerk or
salesperson and they are refering to the store, not just the person
to whom they are speaking.  often, yankee's will see us do this and think
it is because we're ignorant.  of course "y'all", "you all", "you's guys"
and any other fariation is not strictly speaking proper english.  the
plural of "you" is supposed to be "you".  but, this is obviously ambiguous
so most people qualify "you" in some why inorder to indicate the plural form.

>
> date:    thu, 18 jan 1996 11:35:55 -0800
> from:    michael messner <mmessner@step.mother.com>
> subject: re: back again, introduction
>
> florine:
>         as far as i know, y'all is more or less a southern term, although
> yankees (non-southerners) use it a lot when they imitate southerners.  it
> is never, ever used in reference to one person; it's always plural.  a
> lesson i learned when i was in georgia and tennessee...
>
> glad you're back on the lis!
> --mike
>

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from:         amanda r bakken <bakkena@stolaf.edu>
subject:      re: y'all
x-to:         trant batey <twb@zycor.lgc.com>
in-reply-to:  <9601191544.aa10975@amy>

well, not being from the south, i guess i'm not an authority on this
matter at all, but i talked to one of my friends about this a while back
who said that "y'all" is singular, and "all y'all" is the plural form.
amanda

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from:         "christopher m. becker" <cmbecker@space.mit.edu>
subject:      re: nigc y'all (was back again...)
x-to:         mmessner@step.mother.com
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              "michael messner" at jan 18, 96 11:35 am

> florine:
>         as far as i know, y'all is more or less a southern term, although
> yankees (non-southerners) use it a lot when they imitate southerners.  it
> is never, ever used in reference to one person; it's always plural.  a
> lesson i learned when i was in georgia and tennessee...

overdubbed voice:

   ***  this is a test of the nigc system.... this is only a test....

i thought y'all was singular and "all y'all" was plural.  maybe that
is the texas variant (the person who told me this was from houston).


                                --- chris

   ***  this has been a test on the nigc system.  had this post had any
   ***  ig relevance, you would have been told where to go for medical
   ***  treatment after suffering a case of severe shock.  we now
   ***  return you to your ig information laden list.

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from:         helene burningham <h.burningham@ulst.ac.uk>
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subject:      friday afternoon break

well it's almost time for me to go home, so i thought i'd just say
hello to any of you who are logged on out there.  i might come in
over the weekend to see if the list's working again and will probably
catch up with some of you then.  i wonder if there are 2 groups of us
on the list...a weekday group and a weekend group.  anyway, i'm
spaced out...my mind's had it's fair share of stress and work this
week...need a good relaxing weekend.  and then next week, my friend's
coming ot stay for a few days...she's a big ig fan too, so i'll
introduce her to y'all...(did i use that word in it's correct context
trant, appologies if not...i don't mean to offend any southerners out
there!)

ok i'll see y'all later...oops there i go again...it's infectious!!!

helene

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from:         amanda e johnson <aej192@merle.acns.nwu.edu>
subject:      re: y'all
x-to:         amanda r bakken <bakkena@stolaf.edu>
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on fri, 19 jan 1996, amanda r bakken wrote:

> well, not being from the south, i guess i'm not an authority on this
> matter at all, but i talked to one of my friends about this a while back
> who said that "y'all" is singular, and "all y'all" is the plural form.
> amanda
>

survey says.....wrong!  "y'all" is the contraction of "you all", which is
plural.  i lived in georgia for 11 years, and no one uses "all y'all"
except for occasional emphasis-never on a regular basis.  just thought
i'd clarify, since i'm a regular user of the term myself.....
peace,
amanda

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from:         joann boscarino <jobosc@pucc.princeton.edu>
subject:      copying amy's (or anyone else's) tattoo

i'm disappointed to hear there are folks out there
who want to get an exact copy of a's tattoo in the
exact place she has it.  this is not a form of
flattery to the original wearer.  this is only
annoying, and clearly shows a lack of imagination
on the part of the copier.

it is not difficult to make your own tattoo design.
if you like a's, why not design something based
on hers, something that becomes infused with your
own creative energy? this will be infinitely more
meaningful to you in years to come, believe me.

copiers belong among "the upper echelons of mediocrity"

-lucky jo(lucky jo's tattoo design jobosc@pucc.princeton.edu)

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date:         fri, 19 jan 1996 12:07:30 -0500
reply-to:     "a. nadyne hagon" <ahagon@st6000.sct.edu>
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from:         "a. nadyne hagon" <ahagon@st6000.sct.edu>
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subject:      jcs?

i mailed a message to the list a couple of nights ago, did anyone get it?

my question is this: will a&e be doing jesus christ superstar again?  i'd
heard rumours that they would be putting on another show of it, but
haven't heard anything since then.  {and, well, my fiance's parents got
us tickets to jcs at the fox in feb, so i was wondering if this might
just might be the *right* version of jcs. ;)  not that i'll mind anyway,
i've never ever been to anything like that that wasn't put out by the
junior high in my small town. ;) }

any info would be appreciated, even if it's just "sorry, no idea".

thanks!
nadyne.

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subject:      nigc:  all y'all

so perhaps more people are using the term "all y'all" more than i
thought, but as i was telling someone else, what does that make the south
look like?  we take the plural "you" and pluralize it again to "y'all",
and if that's not enough, we pluralize it _again_ to "all y'all". by this
point we're addressing the entire universe collectively.....

okay, next topic.

peace,
amanda
"georgia peach"

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reply-to:     strangefire <mccranie@ewir-wr.robins.af.mil>
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subject:      re: y'all

i'll agree with amanda!!
>y'all is the contraction of "you all", which is plural.
>and no one uses "all y'all"

i'm not originally from georgia, but i've lived here all my life. no
one that i know of uses "all y'all". like ig, we say "thanks y'all"
whenever a group of friends gives you a birthday surprise (for
example) and "thank you" when only 1 friend does something for you.
(not that i'm the expert on it or anything *wink*)

my cousin (who is from new jersey) would say that it's the
equivalent of "you guys"...

hey you guys.....hey ya'll
how are you guys doing?.....how are ya'll doing?

hope that helps ya'll!
-sherry

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date:         fri, 19 jan 1996 17:48:32 gmt
reply-to:     mr neil hunt <ph21nh@surrey.ac.uk>
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from:         mr neil hunt <ph21nh@surrey.ac.uk>
subject:      re: copying amy's (or anyone else's) tattoo
x-to:         jobosc@pucc.princeton.edu

hey :)

just like to say i finished my indicated iii thingy,
and in my own humble and unbiased opinion it rocks :)
and...

>i'm disappointed to hear there are folks out there
>who want to get an exact copy of a's tattoo in the
>exact place she has it.  this is not a form of
>flattery to the original wearer.

*clears throat*
what happened to imitation being the sincerest form
of flattery??

how about midnight train to georgia...river...
duncan (ok, so amy only does it in soundcheck and
things, but it was the only thing that springs to
mind...) and many many more songs which are copies
of someone elses work...which are just as permanent
as a tatoo, in fact more so :):)

whereas they tried to change all along the watchtower
and make it their own and ruined it completely.

oh how i love being devil's advocate...

how about someone coming up with a temporary tattoo
with amy's design ??
i know there are companies out there who will do it...
(it's amazing what you'll read when you're bored on
a plane...the ad's are so much more interesting than
the articles...)

not that i would ever consider marking myself with
this or any other design anyway, but...

@}--,--'--

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date:         fri, 19 jan 1996 13:35:44 -0500
reply-to:     sc@cen.com
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         sc@cen.com
subject:      re: complete discography
x-to:         susan marine <smarine@cc.colorado.edu>
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>>>>> susan marine writes:

    susan> can anyone point me to a good, totally 100% complete ig
    susan> discogrpahy on the web?

for several years, i have maintained an ig discography, which is quite
likely not 100% complete but is very extensive.  note that it *does
not* list bootlegs; it includes only legitimate releases (commercial,
promotional, and independent; albums, singles, and sampler
appearances).  it currently lists 150 items.

i am always looking for info to add; if you have corrections or
additions, please drop me a line at sclark@cen.com.  thanks!

the discography is available on the web at folkbook.  the url is:

    http://web.cgrg.ohio-state.edu/folkbook/artists/discographies/indigo_girls

i've just sent an update to steve spencer, who runs folkbook, so you
might want to wait until this evening to go looking for it.

btw, the rest of the super-fantastic folkbook, which has lots of
great info about lots of other artists, is at:

    http://web.cgrg.ohio-state.edu/folkbook/

if you don't have web access, want to see the discog, and can handle a
75k file in your mailbox, you can reply *directly to me* and i'll send
it to you.  please do not reply to the entire list!  since i can't
continually act as a mail server, i will make a single mailing next
wednesday to everybody who requests it between now and then.  if you
have web access, however, i'd *highly* recommend getting it that way
instead - for one thing, you don't have to wait 5 days :-)

thanks,
-steve
keeper of the sacred discography

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date:         fri, 19 jan 1996 13:42:36 -0500
reply-to:     katie mccurry <ktm@utkux.utcc.utk.edu>
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subject:      re: y'all
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hey y'all- being from tennessee- i can tell you that y'all is plural-
like- (talking to your friends-) hey y'all- i have never used y'all as a
singular for- & i've never heard it used. however. all y'all is usually
used again while talking to friends- but it would be usedlike- "hey- why
don't all y'all come over later- " of course- simple y'all will do. i
don't know- i guess you just have to live down here. i'm going to shut up
now- see y'all later! love, katie

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date:         fri, 19 jan 1996 16:26:47 -0500
reply-to:     meg anne baker <megbaker@mhc.mtholyoke.edu>
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from:         meg anne baker <megbaker@mhc.mtholyoke.edu>
subject:      newbie

i'm a newbie with very little to say that won't sound trite, like: i love
the ig!, or something like that.....so i won't say much at all, except
that i'm glad to have finally found this list.

meg

:)

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subject:      re: y'all

>my cousin (who is from new jersey) would say that it's the
>equivalent of "you guys"...

actually, in jersey and pa (at least when i was growing up, maybe things have
changed recently, and i spend too much time in front of my computer to notice
it), it's "yous guys." not "you guys." you gotta place all the emphasis on the
"yous" and it kinda becomes, "_yooz_ guys." actually, this form of address has
always made me cringe. i grew up in a little jerkwater town in pa where it's
use was quite common. i think my dad would've disowned me if he ever heard me
say it. i like "y'all" much better. :)

>
>hey you guys.....hey ya'll

"hey you guys!" is actually just from the electric company. :)

folkisgruven,
lorindigo

    i           will            not        be               complacent
lorinda wright           "learn to pretend there's more than love that
lw01@lehigh.edu           matters. -e.s.
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from:         "christopher m. becker" <cmbecker@space.mit.edu>
subject:      nigc: ani on npr

hey folks,

   npr's all things considered is doing a spotlight on ani difranco
(10 minute story or so) on tonight's show (1/19).  listen to it
if you get a chance.  its mainly about being an artist and her conviction
to indie music and her songwriting.

                                enjoy,

                                  chris

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from:         joann boscarino <jobosc@pucc.princeton.edu>
subject:      copying tattoos

neil writes that plenty of folks copy songs, and even a & e do
other people's songs.  yes, this is true.  but even a song is
subject to the musician's own interpretation, it is not an exact
copy of the original, even though the same chords are played.

i simply suggest that anyone who wants to copy someone else's
work might think more about how to interpret it into a more personal
expression.  i think lorinda is right when she imagines what a's
reaction might be.

-lucky jo (jobosc@pucc.princeton.edu)

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i just wanted to say that i've been reading all this "y'all talk" and i
think "y'all" are very cute going on about it like you do.  i'm not from
the south so i don't know much about it.  i do know that i love hearing
about you're different ideas.  sorry there's nothing special in this post
but i wanted to let "y'all" know that you put a smile in my day. :):)
elizabeth

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subject:      first impressions

greetings to one and all,

i'm curious to know how people feel about new ig albums when they first
listen to them, because despite loving them to death, each time i hear a new
album i tend to think 'yeah, it's quite good, but probably not up to xxx'.
by the 3rd or 4th listen i'm really liking it, and by about the 6th play
it's totally got under my skin and i want to listen to it all the time. and
i find new things in every album no matter how many dozens of times i listen
to them.

this was especially true of so, which i was very ambivalent about at 1st
play, but which i now think is totally fabulous.

is this a common experience, or am i weird, or what?

"if you ain't where you are, you're no place." - colonel henry sherman
potter (or is that sherman henry? i'm never sure).

with exquisite good wishes

neil.

ps. if anyone gets this far - those people that are wondering why when they
reply to a message it doesn't get posted to the list, if you look at the
'from' box on your message it indicates the person who sent the post - try
using 'reply all' (if you're using windows) or your system's equivalent if
you want to post to everyone.

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subject:      hard to find ig 45s

hi everyone,
i am looking for anything by the indigo girls on 45 records.  i
know that it has been several years since their last 45, but
figured that if i could find one anywhere, it world be here.

i have an old 45 player jukebox and it just isn't complete
without any ig content :(  if anyone has a record that they
could part with (i am willing to pay a fair price and throw in a
couple of good boots too).  any info would be appreciated.

btw, if you know of *any* good stuff on 45s, please let me
know about that too.

thanks in advance,
- - howdy (howard.barlow@cdo.ssi1.com)

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subject:      identifying with amy... :)

well, i just broke a guitar string.. never broke one while playing
before, but now i identify with amy.  i broke it right in the middle
of "city of new orleans," (a very cool song that ig should cover) and
i was very displeased.  however, i reached right over and grabbed my
other guitar and kept going...  felt kinda like amy when those guys
run up on stage and hand her another guitar...  :)

i dunno, seemed funny to me...

     peace,
         jon

"if we give gays and lesbians civil rights, then everyone will want them!"

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subject:      y'all vs. yous guys

my buds commonbond are from the south (sort-of -- one of them is) and they
alway's say y'all .. but when playing in philly they joke around and say --
"what's it that y'all say up here in philly -- 'yous guys' -- where did that
come from ???"

on my way to see them at the birchmere tomorrow night ...

chris

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funny you should bring that up. i actually have done that in reverse. i
was completely enamored with rop... enjoyed the surprises that so held...
and recently have come to realize that nothing tops nomads indians and
saints, with hammer and nail.

i didn't like rop when i first heard it. i thought galileo was a 'cute
little tune' and ghost was great, but after being treated to the smooth,
pop-blended harmonies  of the top-40 stuff for two decades, i didn't feel
the igs harmony was musically smooth! now, it's just plain funny how
incredibly differently i view music. igs rule! ::grin::

neil - "high five"!~
--dianne

on fri, 19 jan 1996, neil phillips wrote:

> greetings to one and all,
>
> i'm curious to know how people feel about new ig albums when they first
> listen to them, because despite loving them to death, each time i hear a new
> album i tend to think 'yeah, it's quite good, but probably not up to xxx'.
> by the 3rd or 4th listen i'm really liking it, and by about the 6th play
> it's totally got under my skin and i want to listen to it all the time. and
> i find new things in every album no matter how many dozens of times i listen
> to them.
>
> this was especially true of so, which i was very ambivalent about at 1st
> play, but which i now think is totally fabulous.
>
> is this a common experience, or am i weird, or what?
>
> "if you ain't where you are, you're no place." - colonel henry sherman
> potter (or is that sherman henry? i'm never sure).
>
> with exquisite good wishes
>
> neil.
>
> ps. if anyone gets this far - those people that are wondering why when they
> reply to a message it doesn't get posted to the list, if you look at the
> 'from' box on your message it indicates the person who sent the post - try
> using 'reply all' (if you're using windows) or your system's equivalent if
> you want to post to everyone.
>
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subject:      re: first impressions

hey ya'll.
(won't say you's guys 'cause it sounds like something from "oscar")
i really have to comment on this thread. to be honest i have had so, rop, and
nis for about a year, and only recently fallen in love with them. i got them
as part of a free cd music club starters pack thing, because i really liked a
lot of their songs, but when i received them i basically only listened to
those songs that i already liked (and practically all of those were emily
songs).  it was just recently that i gave rop a real serious listen and
totally realized that it was just amazing. every time i listen i discover
something new. last night i realized that in "galileo" amy says "there will
be no end" as emily is singing "there will be no nuclear annihilation"!!!!!!
furthermore, i now find myself listening more to amy's songs for some reason.
as for new stuff (which for me a few weeks ago was the strange fire album and
the ig album) yes, it takes me a few listens, but then i'm addicted. whew!!
:)
that's it for me.
rick

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subject:      ben's intro

>my god, is it just me or does amy just seem like an all around bitch. i
>mean, i respect her and i love her music but i think she could be a bit
>more pleasant. well, if i see her i'll tell her to be a bit more happy.
>ben

my god, is it just me or does ben just seem like an all around jerk.  i mean,
i don't respect him and i don't love his postings and i think he could be a
bit more pleasant.  well, if i see him i'll tell him to be a bit more
happy.
sunny

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subject:      re: first impressions

> i'm curious to know how people feel about new ig albums when they first
> listen to them, because despite loving them to death, each time i hear a new
> album i tend to think 'yeah, it's quite good, but probably not up to xxx'.
> by the 3rd or 4th listen i'm really liking it, and by about the 6th play
> it's totally got under my skin and i want to listen to it all the time. and
> i find new things in every album no matter how many dozens of times i listen
> to them.


i have mostly had the same experience. especially with so. when i
first got so i wasn't certain what to make of it. but, after the 3rd
or 4th listen, i started really digging it. then i listened to
constantly, until 1200c.

1200c was a totally different experience for me. the day it came out
i walked to the record store (a 4 mile walk)  during my lunch break, came back,
put the cd on, and from the opening bars of joking i liked the cd, then when
sara and jerry took that short drum and bass break i knew i was going
to love this cd, and it only got better!

personally i think that the fact that it takes me a couple of listens
to get into an album is a good thing. to me it means that the album
is a bit more complex and therefore more interesting. just my
opinion.

peace y'all

dan perkins
"although it was spontaneous, you'd think that it was well
planned. the day the bass players took over the world"
                                   -emily kaitz

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subject:      re: nigc y'all (was back again...)
in-reply-to:  <199601191620.laa03504@netspace.org>

hey y'all.

i think i should do my part as a true southerner to set the record
straight.  how do you know that i am a "true" southerner? i say the
words "damn" and "hell" really slowly so they that take atleast two
syllables (day-uhm, hay-ell).  i use phrases such as "pretty-like" and
"fancy-schmancy" on a daily basis.  i know people named bubba.  i've met
guys who use the pick-up line, "that's a firm handshake, darlin' ... you
wanna wrastle?"

the joy of southern living is that no one freakin' cares if
"y'all" is meant in the singular or plural.  i, personally, say "all
y'all" pretty often.  *shrug*

that's just my take on the situation.  i'm still trying to figure out why
i am posting this ....


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subject:      re: first impressions
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i'd like to say that i agree with dan about 1200 curfews! i loved that one
immediately and found myself overcome with the need to see an ig show live.
their energy is amazing!!!!!
:)
rick

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subject:      the b*tch thread

i have read some postings here, and from other sources stating that
this person or that person thought amy  acted bitchy or was a bitch.
i just feel i need to add my thoughts on this.

my thoughts when i first heard some one say amy was a bitch or wasn't
friendly was "oh that's too bad" but then i got to thinking.. what do these
people mean by bitchy? does that mean amy didn't want to go to dinner with
them, or come over to their house and jam? does that mean that amy
didn't want to carry on long, meaningful conversations with them?
does that mean that amy didn't say "oh, your john doe?! i have
been wanting to meet you!'??

i think we all should remember that we have had years to formulate
who we think a & e are, based upon their music, interviews, and other
data we have collected as *fans*. but in reality a & e are just
people (granted extremely talented people). and this is just a guess,
but i would imagine that they feel just as uncomfortable, and maybe
more so, as you or i would feel when a total stranger comes up and
starts asking lot's of questions, and wanting their attention.

put yourself in their place. you have been working your butt off for
18 months or so. you are out with a friend, or maybe alone, trying to
enjoy some live music or dinner or whatever, but people keep staring
at you, coming up and trying to engage you in conversation, wanting
you to sign this or that, and not only demanding your attention, but
also wanting you to fulfill their preconcevied notions of who you
are. and this doesn't just happen one night, or two nights, or three
nights. it happens whenever you try to go out to hear music, or
whatever.

my point is this: just because someone doesn't meet up with your
(mine, our) preconceived expectations does not mean this person
is a bitch.

ok ok, i know i have completely rambled on here, but i was really
disturbed by so many people who don't really know her, just slamming
amy.

peace y'all

dan perkins
"although it was spontaneous, you'd think that it was well
planned. the day the bass players took over the world"
                                   -emily kaitz

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date:         fri, 19 jan 1996 20:27:50 est
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subject:      re: y'all

lorinda remininscing about "yous guys":
>always made me cringe. i grew up in a little jerkwater town in pa where it's
>use was quite common.
oh, so that explains your personality:)


>>hey you guys.....hey ya'll
>
>"hey you guys!" is actually just from the electric company. :)
>
nooooo. it's from 'goonies.' you know, when chunky is scared and calling for
his friends, "heeeeey yooouuu guuuuys!"


yen m tang                     "i do not feel the romance
ymt2@lehigh.edu                 i do not catch the spark."
                                --emily saliers "prince of darkness"

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from:         benjamin slavin <verdi@imap2.asu.edu>
subject:      re: ben's intro
x-to:         ahl@swcp.com
in-reply-to:  <199601200017.raa24261@kitsune.swcp.com>

i think it's time to write a follow up to my amy "bitch" comment. using
that term was not one of complete disrespect. many other list members
have used that same word to discribe her. if i really thought she was a
bitch and her music was futile would i really be on this list? i was
simply commenting on my impressions of her from other list members. she
seems very removed and stand-offish. i really don't think it was a rude
comment so i don't think an apology is in order. i think amy ray is one
of the most passionate,talented, and giving people. i was simply
commenting on the way she comes off, that's all.
talk to y'all soon (being a little more careful about what i type),
ben

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date:         fri, 19 jan 1996 18:58:26 -0800
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from:         bird <younge@ucs.orst.edu>
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i know exactly what you're talking about, rick, with hearing new things in
songs.  have you heard in ghost the way amy harmonizes to the word
"free"?  and in the beginning of "this train-revised" there are people
talking and saying "a builder a ........."  and in touch me fall, wow,
you can get a lot out of it if you listen to it closer.  it is so cool to
discover new stuff.  i did that a lot last term.  you see, my roommate
had a boyfriend who was over _all_ the time, and well, let's just say if i
wanted to fall asleep to a pleasant sound i had to listen to my headphones.

elizabeth

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date:         fri, 19 jan 1996 20:06:42 -0800
reply-to:     mudster@eworld.com
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from:         "john v. bode" <mudster@eworld.com>
subject:      re: first impressions

hi,
  other than the first (major label) record, every other album led to the
same reaction. at first i was disappointed, but, having paid good money, i
listened to them over and over, then, gradually, i grew to love each and
every song on them.
  i think this is why their albums always get such poor reviews (meaning that
the reviews themselves are poor, not that they pan the album)- more people
are familiar with the first album than any other and they expect that shock
that we all got hearing them the first time. when it doesn't come, they
dismiss the album before it has had time to work the a&e magic.
   1200 curfews is a bit different. it seems to grab you right away, but then
many of the songs are familiar.
  just a few thoughts. bye, mudster

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date:         fri, 19 jan 1996 22:28:10 -0600
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from:         avital livny <avital@cs.wisc.edu>
subject:      fan club info

i know this has been asked before but i never got any info relating to this
so i'm gonna ask one final time and hopefully whoever can help will post
whatever they've got to the list.
what are you meant to do with the fan club addresses written on the inserts of
all ig cd's??  i've heard something about a catalog but am not sure how to
get one.  help help help!

thanks in advance!
avital

avital@lucy.cs.wisc.edu

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date:         fri, 19 jan 1996 23:35:25 -0500
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from:         angela ciesla <angiecies@aol.com>
subject:      re: first impressions
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thanks, neil. i am one of the dummies who didn't know who i was responding
to. most of the enlightening (ha!) things i was saying evidently never got
any further than the original listee. so....

   yes, i agree with you about each new album. i think part of the problem is
each earlier one has become such an integral part of our lives, the new is
like a new kid on the block who you have to get to know before you can
actually say yo like them. also, it seems that with every new album , ig
grow more musically, with more orchestration and complicated tracking.
anyone who thinks of them as strictly a folk duo is in for a shock!

   i am curious as to what kind of reviews anyone has seen. one of the
frustrating things about being a fan of ig is the fact that so little is
mentioned of then in the mainstream field od r&r. i would love to read any
past articles dealing with their msic, but other than a mention in the local
paper when they were talking about a recent deluge of "live" albums, i almost
never see anything in print about them. would anyone be interested in past
reviews of either concerts or albums? i know i would be!


angie

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subject:      re: y'all
x-to:         ymt2@lehigh.edu

in a message dated 96-01-19 20:39:58 est, ymt2@lehigh.edu (prodigal daughter)
writes:

>>
>>"hey you guys!" is actually just from the electric company. :)
>>
>nooooo. it's from 'goonies.' you know, when chunky is scared and calling for
>his friends, "heeeeey yooouuu guuuuys!"
>
>

that's exactly what i keep thinking about!!!!!!!!!!! lol!
rick

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from:         "l. andrade" <andrade@az.com>
subject:      re: first impressions
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> mentioned of then in the mainstream field od r&r. i would love to read any
> past articles dealing with their msic, but other than a mention in the local
> paper when they were talking about a recent deluge of "live" albums, i almost
> never see anything in print about them. would anyone be interested in past
> reviews of either concerts or albums? i know i would be!

angie, check out the web page:

http://www.hidwater.com/lifeblood/ig.html

you will find articles from 1985-1995. this archive includes concert
reviews, interviews, album reviews, and other write-ups.

the site also has lyrics, tablatures/chords, and set lists of
specific concert dates.

it's a great page and the articles are really interesting to go back and
read, especially if you read them in chronological order.

kristina

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from:         "kacy n. belew" <kbelew1@ua1vm.ua.edu>
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subject:      concerning amy's tattoo
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hello all list people...
          well, i've skipped through the tons of mail in this list enough
to notice the thread about the copying of amy's tattoo.  all i have to
add is this......

   what is the point? i mean copying someone's work can be flattery, but
only to a certain extent. covering songs has nothing to do with it. if amy
had the originality of putting those symbols together to have it mean
something for her, then put something on your body that means something to
you.  'obsessive' is merely a mild word for this.
   and besides...when this person has this tattoo done today, after she
suffers from ig burnout (which happens, yes its true) she's gonna wonder
what she was thinking.

anyway...on to new and better things,

kacy

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date:         sat, 20 jan 1996 03:57:30 est
reply-to:     lisa <102714.3716@compuserve.com>
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from:         lisa <102714.3716@compuserve.com>
subject:      b*tch thread

dan and y'all,

i must agree with dan when he said:
<<<< just because someone doesn't meet up with your(mine, our) preconceived
expectations does not mean this personis a bitch.>>>>

indigo girls is a wonderful band and we (i hope) all really like their music.  i
think we all would love to have the chance to talk with them over what we like
about their music and how we can relate but we must remember "...as specks of
dust we're universal..."  i wouldn't like my privacy intruded on and i certainly
would not want people watching(and analyzing) my every move.  i just really
enjoy their music and if i get to see them in concert that would be great but i
know that i would have very little to offer them that someone else couldn't do.

just mho,
lisa

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reply-to:     mr neil hunt <ph21nh@surrey.ac.uk>
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from:         mr neil hunt <ph21nh@surrey.ac.uk>
subject:      re: copying tattoos
x-to:         jobosc@pucc.princeton.edu

>neil writes that plenty of folks copy songs, and even a & e do
>other people's songs.  yes, this is true.  but even a song is
>subject to the musician's own interpretation, it is not an exact
>copy of the original, even though the same chords are played.

actually, the examples i chose specifically were songs
that were played really 'staright'. i mean, that
are as accurate copies as one could make...

(i mean, how accurate could you make a copy of a
tattoo that you'd never seen, 'cept for in a blurred
picture...so in a sense, and in a lot of ways, it
would be the tattoo artist's own interpretation...)

and the one song i mentioned that _had_ been 'person-
alised,' so to speak, is awful :)

if you copy a song, tattoo, anything, and you copy it
badly, it's awful. but if you do it well, try to
improve on the original perhaps, and add your own
style, then that's a wonderful compliment to the
originator.

in my humble, tired, and not-knowing-anything-about-
the-true-sacridity-of-tattoos opinion.

pass the chocolates please...

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from:         helene burningham <h.burningham@ulst.ac.uk>
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subject:      just catching up

hi there

i've just been reading through all the mail from over night.  yes,
it's rejoicing time because i'm finally totally back on the list
after a tough 5 days of complete confusion.  it feels really good to
be back.

so from the looks of the list mail...there are debates on amy's
bitchiness, the meaning of "y'all" and the rights and wrongs of
getting matching tattoos being discussed at the moment.  so, to rock
the boat, or not i figure i may as well add my pennies worth.

1.  i don't think amy is bitchy at all.  admittedly, i don't actually
know her, but who out of us really does.  i agree with whoever it was
that called that guy (who started the bitch campaign) a jerk.

2.  i'm english, so have no stand in the origins of the term "y'all",
but i use it all the time in the plural sense.

3.  getting a tattoo exactly the same as amy's seems a little silly.
somebody said something about how the ig's copy other people's songs,
but i don't think they do.  all of their covers are by them, and have
their own signature in them.  they don't copy songs at all...it's
their song in the end.  to just copy something requires no thought
and no feeling.  to build on something, take something you love and
modify it so that it becomes part of you is to really appreciate,
honour and support something...whatever it is...tattoo or song or
whatever.  i wouldn't ever want to copy something entirely, i would
feel like a cheat, but i would want to improvise on something in a
way that would show my admiration, but also that it has truly touched
me in a personal way.

so there you go, more babble from yours truly, who's obsessed with
'something'!!!

i'll talk to y'all later

helene

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from:         avital livny <avital@cs.wisc.edu>
subject:      ig covers

but then again, neil, amy did take romeo and juliet, made it her own and made it
spectacular!
just *my* humble opinion (and i know a few of you agree with me :) )!

avital
avital@lucy.cs.wisc.edu

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from:         andrew vogel <vogelap@ucunix.san.uc.edu>
subject:      re: the b*tch thread
in-reply-to:  <199601200120.taa22158@access.texas.gov>

it occurs to me, as a performer myself, that when someone goes 'into
their element' (in my case, theatre, in amy's case, music venues) that
they should anticipated that they will be approached, and be prepared to
react in an appropriate way.

for example, when i've finished doing a show (acting), and then the next
show at the theatre where i work rolls around, i usually go opening night
(last night was opening of night must fall), and other audience members
sometimes recognize and approach me, mostly wanting to share their
thoughts about my performance. i go prepared for these meetings.
granted, i am in no way as popular as amy, but one would think she'd
understand that.

that's part of the game, folks.

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author, single guy, & much, much more! apvlbsb. a+e=ig. try my home page at
"http://ucunix.san.uc.edu/~vogelap"          "the only way out is through."

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from:         stanley kulesza <stankul@ix.netcom.com>
subject:      nigc;re:boots...offer

hey y'all...
    thanks for responding....i have already gotten plenty of requests
so if you're still thinkin' 'bout whether or not you want some...i'm a
bit swamped right now...and most likely run out of tapes to give away.
    thanks again-
*peace*-em

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from:         rachel rivera <mtngrl6@aol.com>
subject:      absolutes

hey y'all...something happened recently that spooked me.  last week, i was
leaving for work, it was very foggy, and i noticed 5 police cars parked
across the street from the lot.  i live on a finger of the san francisco bay
so there is water on both sides of me.  these police cars were parked in a
semicircle around two other cars, a minivan and a small, grey hatchback.  i
drove by them but i couldn't see what had happened, so i kept driving. janet
left after me and asked one of our friends to find out what had happened.  a
few days later, janet told me what happened.  a 27 year old man had hung
himself off of one of the electric towers that line this area.  the minivan
belonged to the coroner and the hatchback belonged to the guy.  he had
attached a rope to the tower and then jumped off a small footbridge that
leads to the field ahead.  the police were trying to figure out how they
would get him down.

ever since this happened, i can't stop thinking about him and what made him
commit suicide.  there is only one road that leads to where i live, and,
ultimately, to where he died, and every time i drive home, i think about how
that was the last drive he made in this life.  what was he thinking as he
drove down the road?  i've walked over that footbridge (not since) and i've
always loved it because it's old and you can see the water through some of
the missing planks.  there is a sign at the entrance that tells you that you
are walking on it at your own risk... amy doesn't believe in absolutes and
emily does.  i'm not sure, and i've been listening for a message through the
ig.  i'm listening for something that tells me that he made his decision and
was manifesting his destiny.  watershed is my old faithful but i know there's
more.  lately, all i can think of is fare thee well....

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from:         angela ciesla <angiecies@aol.com>
subject:      re: the b*tch thread
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i think at the present time, so many performers and sports stars are just
overwhelmed by the attention that they get in their everyday lives. recent
articles about video stalking, tabloid papparazzi, and autograph seekers who
may or may not be totally sane show that most public figures have a right to
be nervous when in public.

   i don't know if this is relevant, but last year my husband (jim), my son
(casey) and i attended a glitzy wedding in la.  jim's cousin was marrying a
football agent (for you football fans, leigh steinburg's partner) and troy
aikman, steve young, warren moon, derrick thomas, and about 20 -30 other
football players were there. we were specifically told no autographs by jim's
aunt, because the players were there in their private lives, not their public
ones. i'm happy to say that everyone abided by this rule although it was
tough for the 4 adolescents who were there to not bug anyone. towards the
end, one of the players (erik wilhelm of the bengals) came up to me and said
that he would be more than happy to give his autograph, and so would some of
the other players, because the children had been so well behaved. he said "at
some of the functions i've been at people go crazy, and i'm not able to just
be a guest, but rather a sports figure. it can get to be very tiring after a
while."

   i don't know if amy ever feels like this, but just from her lyrics i would
think she is an intensely private person, and when she is not "onstage" she
probably would prefer to not be the center of attraction. people should
respect this, and if you are lucky enough to be near enough to speak to her,
a simple "i think your music is great, thanks for sharing it with me" should
be sufficient.


angie

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from:         helene burningham <h.burningham@ulst.ac.uk>
organization: university of ulster
subject:      re: ig on the internet

i've just spent the afternoon looking through the net pages on the
ig's.  can anyone tell me whether there are any pages with pictures
of the ig's.  i know there are pictures with text on the info pages,
but was just wondering if there are any specific pages.  i've never
realised how extensive the net is for cool musicians like the
ig's...definitely brightened up my afternoon here in the very very
wet north of ireland.  not much happening on the list still...more
and more discussion of 'bitch' type things.

anyway, i'm off home.

talk to y'all later


helene

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from:         jade murray <jade_murray@link.org>
organization: legal information network
subject:      re: ?? for uk folks (nigc)
x-to:         cojehali@aol.com

ps - connie - i think i gave you my wrong tel. no. yesterday (i woke up this
morning for some reason with that one thought running round and around in my
brain!!) - so just in case i did (i probably dreamed the whole thing but just
in case...) it's 01904 634710.
if i don't see you - have a really really great time - and take care!

regards,
jade

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from:         sue harney <sharney@smith.smith.edu>
subject:      apology

hey y'all!

i feel the need to apologize to all of you.  last week, i posted a message,
in which i quoted amy saying "i wanna have sex in the middle of nowhere" at
the end.  i have since then been flooded with messages from outraged list
members, accusing me as trying to copy amy and claim her words as my own.
i had no intention of doing either of those things.  i merely found it
amusing, and i thought i would add it in for a little bit of humor.  also,
i was very careful to make it absolutely clear that it was amy's quote,
and i don't feel like i have plagarized at all.  that quote is no different
from any other ig quote that goes floating around this list, and just
because it was from a chickenman stream of consciousness and not an actual
song does not change the rules for plagarism.  but nonetheless, i am sorry
to all you who contacted me about offending you, and i'm sorry if there are
more of you out there who didn't reply to me.  i only meant the best.

scared to ever quote again,
sue

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from:         deb reiser <debbie@mei.com>
subject:      re: concerning amy's tattoo

at 01:32 am 1.20.96, kacy n. belew wrote:

*    what is the point? i mean copying someone's work can be flattery, but
* only to a certain extent. covering songs has nothing to do with it. if amy
*  had the originality of putting those symbols together to have it mean
*  something for her, then put something on your body that means something to
* you.  'obsessive' is merely a mild word for this.

as an individual who makes her living as a graphic designer, i feel the
need to add to this. i don't consider copying someone's work (and i'm
talking artwork here, which a tattoo is, not music) flattering, i consider
it illegal. sure there are fine lines as to intent or whether you're merely
pulling from that work a "style", but to take an existing design (like
amy's tattoo) and have it be yours is an infrigement of copyright unless
the orginal was clearly defined as copyright free (such as clip art and
really old stuff - but there are rules for this too), or licensing fees
were paid, or permission was granted. well that's the basics of that. (and
in regard to songs, when a&e do a cover, they do pay royalties to the
composer)

and to expound on what kacy wrote, i've had the pleasure of designing a
tattoo for a friend of mine (hi kira! and _no_ , you may not go there!) and
personally would be pretty upset if i saw it on another individual. you
see, beyond all the legal mumble jumble, it was designed with her spirit,
character and presence in mind much in the same way that i would think
amy's was created with "amy" (the inner amy) in mind. i think it
disrespectful, in a spiritual sense, to infringe on that. if you feel
strongly about placing a symbol on your body, or having a symbol that
defines you, make sure it is truly of "you". you should find meaning on
your own path, not someone else's.

deb

look, and it can't be seen.
listen, and it can't be heard.
reach, and it can't be grasped.

above, it isn't bright.
below, it isn't dark.
seamless, unnamable,
it returns to the realm of nothing.
form that includes all forms,
image without an image,
subtle, beyond all conception.

approach it and there is no beginning;
follow it and there is no end.
you can't know it, but you can be it,
at ease in your own life.
just realize where you come from:
this is the essence of wisdom.

tao te ching chapter 14
s.mitchell translation

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date:         sat, 20 jan 1996 14:35:40 -0500
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from:         sue harney <sharney@smith.smith.edu>
subject:      a definition

it seems that a lot of people here are uncertain of or unclear of the
meaning of plagarism, so i thought i would offer up this definition:

"pla.gia.rize  v.t., v.i., -rized, rizing.  to steal (the language, ideas, or
thoughts) from (another), representing them as one's own original work.
-pla'gia.rism' "

-from the random house dictionary, jess stein, editor, ballantine books, 1980

i hope this helps y'all!

sue

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subject:      covers and the b*tchy threads

hello everyone (yes i am a yankee)!

i don't have tremendous things to add to these discussions, but wanted to say
these things in relation to the two afore-mentioned threads.
1.  i love ig covers of other people's songs.  ig are so great at
transforming a song and
making it their own...esp.  tangled up in blue and "i don't want to talk
about it" from philadelphia soundtrack.  and putting your own spin on the
tune is the whole point of recording other people's music, especially when
the original performer/songwriter is as famous and well revered as bob dylan.
to do the cover and really do a good job is a hard thing to tackle and i
thing a & e have done great jobs in recording the cover songs they have done.

2.  i re-watched watershed last night, and the more i watch this tape, the
more endearing amy seems to me, because i have to admit that at first i
thought amy was a little abrasive for my tastes...my encounter with them (ig)
at a record signing was the whole basis for feeling this way, because amy
seemed annoyed by the whole thing.  and since then i always felt like emily
was nicer etc... but i swear little things in watershed have really turned me
around on the amy thing.  examples...
     a.   amy's smile and laugh crack me up.
     b.  amy in many videos seems to have to concentrate awfully hard to sing

         the right words or look straight at the camera, etc...it makes me
think she is
         a little camera shy...and those little things are so cute when you
catch them.
     c. amy wrote fugitive too, she must hate all the attention and
        cameras...all the intrusiveness that goes along with the success.

     part of my change in attitude also is due to the fact that i have
realized how much of a drag it must be to be famous.  the whole lesbian thing
puts an added element to the attention given to a & e.....the straight world
looks to them to form their opinions about what being gay is all
about....much of the gay and lesbian community look up to
a & e for being so strong in coming out publically etc...it just seems (to me
anyway) that the spotlight burns hotter when it shines on a & e and quite
frankly i wish it didn't have to.  i have begrudgingly given up the part of
me that wants to know everything about them, the part of me that wants the
autograph and all the latest info...because i  know that that is exactly the
type of behavior that eats away famous people ....and burns them out to a
point where they might not want to perform anymore etc.  for what its worth,
the less i fixate the more i really appreciate a & e.  it makes their music
all the more important to me.
       as bill clinton might have said,  it's about the music, stupid!
     so that is quite enough from me.

take care,
dana

"each life has its place."  e.sailers

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subject:      re: first impressions

hello everyone!

     i totally agree with dan perkins on the first impressions thread.

     for me it happended 1st with rop.... i was so disappointed when it first
came out.  i took it with me on a long trip driving from ann arbor to
pittsburgh and i listened to the first side and put it away.  i just wasn't
in sync with the album, but gradually as i kept listening to it, i began to
like it more and more, and eventually i wore the
cassette out that i purchased and had to go buy a cd to replace it.
       so when so came out, again i was kind of ready to be unsettled by the
new release, and on the first listen, i again felt like i liked the other
albums better than so.  but again the more i listened the more i liked and
this time i had enough faith in ig that i bought a cd from the start...and i
am still working on wearing out the cd if that is at all possible!  :>)!
     but.. despite the trend of being disappointed by new albums, 12000
curfews blew
me away from the very 1st listen!  no question whatsoever.  immediate
enthral-lation...i loved it!   so that's my take on 1st impressions .
take care,
dana
"every life has its place" e.sailers

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              "andrew vogel" at jan 20, 96 10:39:30 am

i dunno, i begin to think the one person who sits outside a show waiting for
amy to come out and meet them, and doesn't, therefor calls amy a bitch, when
you have no f$%king idea of who this individual is. if she is a bitch, why
re you on the list?
    as for the "seeing celebrity in a theater" thing, here is my view and it
is sorta the same deal as atlanta... stephen king lives 10 minutes from my
college, i know his house (it is very common knowledge, he doesnt mind
people driving by and he has a very elaborate security system, i am not a
stalker, i guess is what i'm trying to say) and i see him all the time in
the mall, eating pizza, watching a swim meet or on campus. in all my times i
think i said "hi" once.  now, i also have met his wife (one summer i worked
as an intern at pbs, she was at some meeting) and i am an aspiring writer,
so i have thought of passing my work off to him. (through mutual friends..)
but i never have, nor do i think i will. (altho, i did get my front wheel of
my bike stolen at a reading he gave of his novel called "desolation", about
a really wierd cop ride, and i ended up getting a ride home in a cop car, so
there was some seriously freaky coincidences...it almost made the local
paper, it was totally wierd!)
   but i heard he likes the indigo girls, so this makes things almost igc
mike r.

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subject:      re: first impressions

>something new. last night i realized that in "galileo" amy says "there will
>be no end" as emily is singing "there will be no nuclear annihilation"!!!!!!

oh! is _that_ what she says! thank you so much for figuring that out! i always
thought she just said "there will be nooo..." and trailed off the "no" until
she got to "in my lifetime." now i have to rush home and listen for myself.
you see, i always sing along with amy, (my voice doesn't do emily so good:)
and it helps to know the words when your singing along.

as for my comment on the current topic: i remember going out to buy so the day
it was released. i got into my car, popped in the tape, and was completely
enamored with fugitive within the first 4 measures. i smiled and said to
myself, "this is a good thing amy and emily have done. a very good thing." the
rest of it just got better from there. in fact, i think i can say this has
been my reaction to every ig album so far. the only exceptions have been some
individual songs. i wasn't too thrilled with chickenman on rop. but seeing the
18 min s.o.c. version live was enough to make it one of my all-time favorite
songs. there are a _few_ other ig songs i'm kinda lukewarm on. (airplane, 123)
but the more i listen to them, the more they grow on me. oh, and here's
another point. i tend to start to like a song a lot more once i learn to play
it. when you play it yourself you take a closer look at all the complexities,
and you see just how beautiful it really is.

running home to listen to galileo,
lorindigo

    i           will            not        be               complacent
lorinda wright           "learn to pretend there's more than love that
lw01@lehigh.edu           matters. -e.s.
lehigh university         "the apathy of time laughs in my face
bethlehem, pa             you say each life has its place. -e.s.
    i           will            not         be              complacent

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subject:      re: copying tattoos

>and the one song i mentioned that _had_ been 'person-
>alised,' so to speak, is awful :)

you're just dying to start a war over this, aren't you neil? well, i'll bite.
:) how dare you!!??? all along the watchtower is fabulous, and every word that
amy adds to it is an _obvious_ improvement, and _should_ have been there in
the first place. i have conniptions over their version of this song, and the
original is one tremendous *yawn*. :) there. war started. *grin*

>pass the chocolates please...

no, you don't get any. i'm keeping it in my car with me and all the other
people who are allowed in my car. :)

folkisgruven,
lorindigo

    i           will            not        be               complacent
lorinda wright           "learn to pretend there's more than love that
lw01@lehigh.edu           matters. -e.s.
lehigh university         "the apathy of time laughs in my face
bethlehem, pa             you say each life has its place. -e.s.
    i           will            not         be              complacent

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on sat, 20 jan 1996, helene burningham wrote:

> i've just spent the afternoon looking through the net pages on the
> ig's.  can anyone tell me whether there are any pages with pictures
> of the ig's.  i know there are pictures with text on the info pages,
> but was just wondering if there are any specific pages.

sony has a really _great_ page set up for ig, full of all kinds of
photos, info, and i think some sound and video clips. (my computer
doesn't seem to support that, so i may be wrong...)  anyway, it's
completely graphics-driven, so it won't work with a text-only browser
unfortunately, but for you fortunates with nice color machines and
netscape, the address is:

www.sony.com/music/artistinfo/indigogirls


scot

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from:         lorinda wright <lw01@lehigh.edu>
subject:      re: first impressions

> talking and saying "a builder a ........."  and in touch me fall, wow,
> you can get a lot out of it if you listen to it closer.  it is so cool to
> discover new stuff.  i did that a lot last term.  you see, my roommate

if you really want to put a new twist on touch me fall, try listening to viva
la diva's "when you're ready." then, after you've cooled down enough to be
able to safely operate your cd player again, put on tmf, and _think_ about it.
hmmm, the similarities are astonishing, aren't they? it makes one wonder,
maybe tmf _isn't_ about hair, after all... *huge grin*

folkisgruven,
lorindigo

    i           will            not        be               complacent
lorinda wright           "learn to pretend there's more than love that
lw01@lehigh.edu           matters. -e.s.
lehigh university         "the apathy of time laughs in my face
bethlehem, pa             you say each life has its place. -e.s.
    i           will            not         be              complacent

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subject:      re: all along the watchtower
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on sat, 20 jan 1996, lorinda wright wrote:

> all along the watchtower is fabulous, and every word that
> amy adds to it is an _obvious_ improvement, and _should_ have been there in
> the first place. i have conniptions over their version of this song, and the
> original is one tremendous *yawn*. :) there. war started. *grin*

okay, i'll join in.  what can i say? i'm a sucker for an internet
scrape.  anyway, i do like a's version of all along the watchtower, but
it's not the only version i adore.  hendrix absolutely rocks on this
song, and personally i think he owns it and just loaned it to bob dylan
for writing on paper.  as for dylan's version, well, i think bob wrote
many of the most incredible songs that have ever passed through my ears
and into my brain, i just wish _he_ wouldn't sing them! oh well, just
thought i'd contribute.


>
> no, you don't get any. i'm keeping it in my car with me and all the other
> people who are allowed in my car. :)
>

hope i'm not walking lorinda..........:)

peace.
here's to non-complacence,
amanda

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subject:      nigc:  i'm back

greetings all!

i just wanted to "re-introduce" myself as i have been off of the list for about
eight weeks--i just couldn't handle all the mail!  i am, however, now at a
place in my ccrazy, mixed-up life where i can actually pay attention to what is
going on here without just deleting all of the messages as soon as i log on...

anyway...my name is monqiue posa from denton, tx and i'm glad to be back!

mo

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subject:      news from rdr

lots of news from rdr...

regarding kristen hall on line....they have decided to go the route of
e-mail for this one.  mail any questions youhave for kristen to
perry at rainy@mindspring.com *please* try to make sure they go to him
an dnot the list.  the deadline is monday 29 january at 12 noon est>
kristen will answer all inquiries and you will hear from her sometime
over the course of the week, depnding on how many questions com in.
again, at this time ther is no live chat planned.  this will be e-mail
only.

when kristen was at rdr this week, she signed a number of copies of
the nothing to hide ig bootleg (since she is on southern man).
so if youhavent gotten this disc, now is the time to get it.

perry has recently gottena number of ig cd singles and cd ep's.
various titles and tehre are a few of each.  unfortunately, none
of them are "bury my heart.." though he is looking for more
of those.

rdr currently has for sale two very special vinyl items.  one is
an autographed, brand new "relentless" by michelle malone and
drag the river.  teh other is a copy of the original "strange fire"
also in very good shape.  call perry for more details.

for those of you how like the releases from putumayo records (best
of folk music, celtic women, shelter, world music etc etc) perry will
be carrying those soon.  lert him know if you are looking for
anything from them.

that number again is 1-800-636-6166
e-mail: rainy@mindspring.com


amy p.                          /       who holds your hand
pegasus@crl.com                /        when you're alone
                              /
the original photo monk      /                  --patty larkin

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is anyone still there?????????
        -mandy

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at 10:39 am 1/20/96 -0500, andrew vogel wrote:

>>>granted, i am in no way as popular as amy

        really?? are you sure about this, andrew? and you with such a long
        signature too

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hey there.  my name is amy kirchner.  i'm new also to the list, well
actually i've been subscribed for a couple of weeks now but haven't had
the time to reply.  i'm busy up here in minnesota writing papers for my
interim class.  i'm a first-year student (we're not allowed to say
freshman,it wouldn't be politically correct) here at st. olaf college in
northfield minnesota.  my first
semester was pretty rough but hey i'm getting used to this whole college
thing.  i'm originally from eau claire wisconsin (if anyone knows where
that is)  i'm not to sure about what i want to do with my life in other
words what my major is going to be.  maybe i'll just follow the girls
around for the rest of my life.  i've been listening and obsessed with the
girls for about four years now and got to see them in concert last may.  it was the most
the most exciting thing for me and one of my goals in life.  let's see...
what else about me...i sing and am in choir here at school, i used to
play saxaphone and have a guitar that someday i will be able to play.
i love to downhill ski but it's way too cold up here to do that here at
the moment.  well i guess that's about it.  oh,if anyone could help me
out with some bootlegs it would be very much appreciated.  thanks a
bunch,  amy kirchner

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do you all really think amy is the first one to say she wants to have sex
in the middle of nowhere?  while sue heard it there and repeated it
because she thought it was funny, cool, interesting, whatever, that
doesnt make her a thief.  saying it to this list should be pretty safe
since she knew everyone here would get it.  would people please lighten up?

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just to add my own personal response to the amy bitch thread.  i doubt
she's a bitch but probably is protective of her life.  long ago when i
first knew of them and still thought of them as a struggling band, i
wrote and offered to take photos of them when they were intown so they
could use them or discard them, as they wish.  my naive self thought they
might appreciate saving some bucks.  amy wrote me a note on notepaper
thanking me for my offer and said they had their own photographers right
then.  she didnt have to do that.  just my two cents

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subject:      nigc...

sorry guys, for posting those messages about where the heck everyone is,
but i'm not getting anything...  do i need to re-subscribe or something?
help!
-mandy

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subject:      jonas and ezekial

i'm still new so i  don't know if this was addressed already, but i was
listening to j&e on rop and i was wondering if anyone had any insights on
the lyrics of the song.

also...addressing th bitch thread (why am i the only one with guts to
acturally write the fucking word out??), so what if she's a bitch?  it
gives her character (don't you get sick of too many nice girls?) and it
doesn't affect her music negitavely (obviously...she's still kick ass!)

meg

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