lifeblood: listlogs: 1996-02b


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date:         tue, 6 feb 1996 23:06:05 -0600
reply-to:     amanda lee <amlee1@students.wisc.edu>
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from:         amanda lee <amlee1@students.wisc.edu>
subject:      re: oooooh!

hi everybody!

this is my second official post to the list, and i thought i'd share one of
my most favorite ig ooooh moments, although everytime i listen to the girls
i oooooh through all their songs :)

in 1200 curfews, ptntf, when amy sings, *when you wake up in the morning,
grey dawn, and there's a prayer on your breeeeaath* my whole body seems to
convulse and shiver...i can't help it. it's something about that line that
is just so magical, so beautiful. it makes me think about when i used to
work third shift, and after the shift ended i would leave and walk outside
to my car, with the quietness and sleepiness of the countryside and with
the sun  just ready to burst out from behind the hills. i picture the way
the air looks at that hour...all misty and grey with the moon still hanging
around in the sky...and everything is beautiful....*sigh!*

anyway, that is just one of the remarkable oooooh moments i have when i
listen to the girls. thanks for listening...

amanda

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date:         wed, 7 feb 1996 00:25:43 -0500
reply-to:     oracle1310@aol.com
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from:         rick b sayre <oracle1310@aol.com>
subject:      re: close minded people stink (sort of igc)
x-to:         mts5@aber.ac.uk

in a message dated 96-02-06 20:06:49 est, mts5@aber.ac.uk (indigo jo) writes:

>on tue, 6 feb 1996, lorinda wright wrote:
>
>> wow. the stories that have come out of this thread have left me just
>shaking
>> my head and thinking, "gee, some people sure can be stooooooopid." i've
had
>> people ask me too when they find out i'm an ig fan. although, most of the
>> people who asked me were friends (or should i say 'friends') who thought
>they
>> were doing it just to needle me. (ummm, sure. ok, whatever.) so, seems to
>me
>> here are several possible examples of appropriate answers when faced with
>the
>> obnoxious question, "oh, are you gay?"
>>
>> 1. why? are you?
>> 2. blue
>
>excuse me?
>
>

methinks this may be a rad reference to tori amos' lovely song "hey jupiter"
in which our dashing heroine asks the question: "are you gay? are you blue?"
:) but that could be me. ;)

rick
who's definitely gay, but not as blue as he used to be lately. :)

(now playing/sarah mclachlan: fumbling towards ecstasy)

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date:         wed, 7 feb 1996 01:17:45 -0600
reply-to:     greg flamer <gflame@nwu.edu>
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from:         greg flamer <gflame@nwu.edu>
subject:      re: close minded people stink (sort of igc)

>and what happens to male admirers of the indigo girls when you tell
>people you like them?   do they wonder why on earth you listen to them
>because they're lesbian?   over here most people have never even heard of
>them so i couldn't tell you the reaction i get apart from "who are they?"
>so i'd be interested to hear what reactions male fans in the us get.

well people often say to me (a male)--hey why do you like indigo
girls--only dykes like them.  then they follow with the provocative
question--are you gay or something?  then i politely reply with--go piss up
a flagpole!  :o

indigo girls, erasure and melissa etheridge are three of my favorite bands
because they make some fine music--that's all.  if they are all having big
homosexual orgies with each other that is their business.  let's listen to
the music for the music thank you very much.  :)

defrosting in chicago,

greg

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date:         wed, 7 feb 1996 20:26:30 +1100
reply-to:     petite piquet <piquet@geko.net.au>
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from:         petite piquet <piquet@geko.net.au>
subject:      re: freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose
in-reply-to:  <199602061909.taa26145@pierre.ph.surrey.ac.uk>

on tue, 6 feb 1996, mr neil hunt wrote:

> >...and the winner of the "most glaring
> >omission of a pronoun" award is:
> >>
> >>"my baby's gone away,
> >> went away anyway"

<snip... sorry lorinda :>

> and the pronoun in question is.....
> 'it'
> of course, i might be lying and have meant 'she'...
> then again, it wasn't so clear, so maybe it could have
> been 'he' or maybe not...

sorry neil, but the correct pronoun actually is... "y'all".

me
(the one who never paid attention in english class :)

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"the song runs like a piper, like a drummer through my brain.  silence all
        around feels so apart from me,
and i could sit and cry for all the love and all the pain that brings
        itself to mind inside a harmony."
                                - cheryl wheeler, "piper"

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date:         wed, 7 feb 1996 11:31:01 gmt
reply-to:     mr neil hunt <ph21nh@surrey.ac.uk>
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from:         mr neil hunt <ph21nh@surrey.ac.uk>
subject:      re: freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose
x-to:         lw01@lehigh.edu

>hmmm, time to search through collection...wait a minute. problem. she never
>sings hey jesus in concert. ooooh, new topic of discussion: why might that be?
>
>>of course, i might be lying and have meant 'she'...
>>then again, it wasn't so clear, so maybe it could have
>>been 'he' or maybe not...
>
>no, i think it's "they" *evil grin*
>

that's it!!
she's singing about jelly babies!!

and how there's never any left when she wants them...'cos amy eats them all

and that's why she never sings the song, because she's afraind that rabid
fans will hurl jelly babies at her onstage (perhape even without removing
them from the packet...) in a scary recreation of the legendary george
harrison pelted-with-jelly-bablies incidents....

another iggy problem solved.

next week, how the hammer and a nail refer to the nocturnal bashing of
those peg things that emily had when she was a wee bairn (i.e. a kid...)

and watershed was originally about her sister's waterbed...

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date:         wed, 7 feb 1996 13:58:46 gmt+1
reply-to:     h.burningham@ulst.ac.uk
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from:         helene burningham <h.burningham@ulst.ac.uk>
organization: university of ulster
subject:      re: close minded people stink (sort of igc)

hi...this subject is very popular, i guess because we've all been
affected by it in some way.  it's kind of different over here in the
uk as indigo jo said...there are so few people who have even heard of
the indigo girls that the chance of someone knowing aspects of their
private lives is extremely unlikely.  most people that i know
here...ie 'friends', get bored at the 'what type of music do you
like' stage that they're not interested to enquire further about it.
the only people who know more about ig are my close friends, who have
no need to ask questions.  if someone questioned me, i don't know how
i would react, but i'd probably tell them where to go...i think it's
just downright rude.  it would be bad enough being questioned based
on your person, but to be questioned purely due to the music that you
listen to is pathetic...some people have no idea do they...the
meaning and power of ig's music goes way deeper than their
sexuality...trouble is there are so many people out there who are so
bigoted that they wouldn't even try listening to the music just
because the artists are gay.  i used to know people at school who
would turn the radio over if a kd lang song was being played, just in
case someone thought that if they were listening to it then that
meant they were gay.  what a ****ing joke!
anyway, it's too easy to get worked up over all the narrow minded
self righteous people in the world...gotta go before i scream.
any ideas for cool one-liner replies to 'the question'...answers on a
postcard...

see you later

love helene

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date:         wed, 7 feb 1996 08:39:17 -0500
reply-to:     d.perkin@access.texas.gov
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comments:     authenticated sender is <d.perkin@access.texas.gov>
from:         dan perkins <d.perkin@access.texas.gov>
organization: ecsd
subject:      re: close minded people stink (sort of igc)

on  6 feb 96 at 18:06, pat stark wrote:

> okay, i'm going to take a stab at this on.  i don't think the idea of the
> post was that they were offended at being called gay,  i took it more in
> that they were offended by a total stranger assuming it and then thinking
> they had a right in asking them.  speaking as a lesbian myself i know it
> ticks me off to no end that people assume i am straight.  it is not that i
> would be offended to be called straight.  it is that someone i don't know is
> making judgments whether good or bad about me based on something that is
> none of their business.


pat,

i agree. i also dislike it when people assume i am straight, or
assume i am gay for that matter. personally, at times i will do
things to shake peoples assumptions about my sexuality. if somone is
assuming i am straight, i will try to lead them to believe i am gay.
if they assume i am gay i sometimes will try to lead them to believe
that i am straight.... my point in doing this is to demonstrate that
things ain't always what they seem... and besides it's fun to mess
with the minds of the uptight!

peace y'all

dan "bassman" perkins
"although it was spontaneous, you'd think that it was well
planned. the day the bass players took over the world"
                                   -emily kaitz

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date:         wed, 7 feb 1996 10:23:55 -0500
reply-to:     "robert a. sticka" <robert.a.sticka.1@gsfc.nasa.gov>
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from:         "robert a. sticka" <robert.a.sticka.1@gsfc.nasa.gov>
subject:      my experience with indicated iii songs

ok phil - i'll give this a try!

first an update on indy 3 - i'm still waiting for another tape so i haven't
started putting together a song listing yet - stay tuned.

i have recorded "hammer and a nail", "walk away", and "power of two" - the
hardest part was deciding which songs to record.

"hammer...":  i wanted to do this for indy 2 but didn't want to spend hours
working on the drum patterns.  i finally forced myself to do it!  after
programming my drum machine, i got down to the fun part - guitars!  after
multiple hours (over a few weeks time span), i got the music to an
acceptable level.  i'm never totally happy with my recordings.  since this
is an emily song, i brought in my guest vocalist (andrea bertino) to record
the vocals.  i sing the amy parts.  y'all can be the judge of how the song
turned out.

"walk away":  the first ig song i learned how to play!  i spent several
months thinking about recording this song.  then, about a month ago, scot
ninneman proposed that we work on the song together.  he has a 4-track
recorder as well but lives in california. i recorded two rough tracks, sent
him the tape, he did his two tracks (one guitar and the emily vocal), sent
the tape back to me, i re-recorded my two tracks (one guitar, one vocal).
this was very interesting and it's something we should keep doing - long
distance recording projects!

"power of two":  i recorded the acoustic guitars but had difficulty in
getting the sound right.  i tried an electric and...i like it!  don't worry
- this is not a heavy metal version!  i recorded this using a clean sounding
electric guitar.  there's just two guitars on this - no other instruments.
andrea bertino is guest vocalist once again!

i may include "world falls" - i recorded this for indy 2 but didn't use it.

everything was recorded on a 4-track.  if only i had a digital 8-track...
recording drums/bass/two acoustic guitars, two vocals onto 4-tracks is quite
a challenge!  the songs are close to the ig versions.

i will soon offer a tape of ig instrumentals.  you'll be able to play the
tape and sing to the music without hearing any other vocals - supply your
own.  if you're interested in this instrumental tape, and you'd love to have
song x included, let me know.  i may be able to quickly record something for
you.  i'll soon post what i have already recorded.

rob

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date:         wed, 7 feb 1996 07:29:12 -0800
reply-to:     lucid@filoli.com
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from:         deborah luci <lucid@filoli.com>
subject:      re: close minded people stink (sort of igc)

begin forwarded message:

"examples of appropriate answers when faced with the
obnoxious question, "oh, are you gay?" "

---

my favorite response was always "actually i'm rather melancholy"

--deb

"this rainbow medicine way teaches that, in order to step across
the gap that lies between this age and a new age of harmony and
abundance, we must make a bridge and that bridge must be made of
light. in order for the light to become a rainbow powerful enouugh
to arch across the chasm, it must contain all colors --all peoples,
all nations, all things. if any one color is left out, it will not
have the strength to become the arching rainbow bridge upon which
all of us will walk into a new time" --from buffalo woman comes
singing by brooke medicine eagle

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date:         wed, 7 feb 1996 11:10:59 cst
reply-to:     lisa hardaway <lhardawa@wscgate.wsc.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         lisa hardaway <lhardawa@wscgate.wsc.edu>
subject:      stupid people

          here is a quote i like to use also from bots
          when a man says to  you, "so what's it like to have sex
          without a penis?"
          reply: "i don't know, you tell me."
          towanda

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date:         wed, 7 feb 1996 12:35:47 -400
reply-to:     susan swann <sswann@pace.atl.ga.us>
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from:         susan swann <sswann@pace.atl.ga.us>
organization: pace academy
subject:      re(2): how far is too far?

i was not saying that we shouldn't be careful about what we say about two
individuals; i was just stating that people have been criticized when it has
not been completely necessary.  take it easy on people.  we're not here to
shit on the ig.  we're on this list to praise them and their music.  i think
that they, in some ways, are extremely flattered that we are so interested in
their personal lives.  if you have the right to slam people for their
opinions, then be prepared to get criticism in return.


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date:         wed, 7 feb 1996 12:51:40 -0500
reply-to:     gkemp@eng.clemson.edu
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from:         greg kemp <gkemp@eng.clemson.edu>
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subject:      re: close minded people stink (sort of igc)
in-reply-to:  <pine.osf.3.91.960207005037.2306a-100000@osfb.aber.ac.uk> from
              "indigo jo" at feb 7, 96 01:00:24 am

hey y'all,

> and what happens to male admirers of the indigo girls when you tell
> people you like them?   do they wonder why on earth you listen to them
> because they're lesbian?   over here most people have never even heard of
> them so i couldn't tell you the reaction i get apart from "who are they?"
> so i'd be interested to hear what reactions male fans in the us get.

this usually comes up when i wear my rop concert t.  i think the most
common reaction is, "you know they're *lesbians*, don't you?" as
though that were some sort of awful thing.  i usually respond with,
"yeah.  so?" which (apparently) is the one answer they were not
prepared to hear.  since this sort of question usually comes from
people with confederate flags on their cars, i don't worry about their
opinions too much.

actually, this reminds me of when i bought 1200.  since i had selected
the new ig album on its release day, i guess the clerk had me
(correctly) pegged as a serious indigo-head.  we chatted briefly about
ig, then she asked me if i knew that <uh, some day later that week>
was national coming out day.  in hindsight, i suppose she assumed that
i was gay.  which is rather irritating, if you stop to think about it.
at the time, i was *much* more concerned about hearing some new ig.

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date:         wed, 7 feb 1996 13:28:24 -0500
reply-to:     julie elaine goldman <jgold16@emory.edu>
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from:         julie elaine goldman <jgold16@emory.edu>
subject:      re: close minded people stink (sort of igc)
x-to:         greg kemp <gkemp@eng.clemson.edu>
in-reply-to:  <9602071749.aa02307@eng.clemson.edu>

from 7th grade on up, i always had at least one picture of a&e in my
locker.  without fail, when people saw the picture they'd say "is it
true that they're _lesbians_?"  i used to say that i didn't know and i
didn't care b/c it's not about they're sexuality; it's about their music
and i'd lecture the inquisitive person about it for a few minutes and
they'd tell me i was weird and then they'd go away.  i think the best
response to that question, from a lesbian perspective, would be "yeah.
lucky for me, eh?"  hehheh.  scare 'em away.
        actually, for a long time i didn't tell my mom about the rumor
that a&e were gay b/c i was afraid she'd make me stop listening to them
or something.  (this is in response to the fact that once when i was in
4th grade i was watching "golden girls" on tv and they were talking about
lesbians and i asked my mom what a lesbian was and she said i could never
watch that show again.)  so then, about a year after i'd started
listening to ig, she told me that some woman in her sunday school class
had told her that ig were gay, and that my mom shouldn't let me listen to
b/c they would influence me in a negative way. oh, ignorance.  sigh.
        (sorry this is getting long but i'm responding to a bunch of
responses.)
        my mom, for awhile, used list every woman musician i listened to
and ask "is _she_ homosexual?" i guess when she started to see that it
wasn't just ig, she (a) started to worry, and (b) actually started to get
a little more accepting.  i have a feeling that she _still_ thinks i
turned out gay b/c of all of that womyn's music that i listened to
through those formative adolescent years.  regardless, now she's cool w/
both the music i listen to and my sexuality.  she actually went to see
ani difranco w/o me last year when i was out of town.
  -julie
ps.  about the photo lady -- i _was_ offended b/c she was rude.  i don't
mind if people i know ask me if i'm gay, but the fact that i knew she
would've lectured me/ preached to me if i'd said "yes"  made me feel
_really_ uncomfortable and not real pride-ful, you know?


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         the inexpressable is music."
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date:         wed, 7 feb 1996 13:22:30 est
reply-to:     lorinda wright <lw01@lehigh.edu>
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from:         lorinda wright <lw01@lehigh.edu>
subject:      re: close minded people stink (sort of igc)

i said:

>>> here are several possible examples of appropriate answers when faced with
>>the
>>> obnoxious question, "oh, are you gay?"
>>>
>>> 1. why? are you?
>>> 2. blue

and the question was raised:

>>excuse me?

and rick responded:

>methinks this may be a rad reference to tori amos' lovely song "hey jupiter"
>in which our dashing heroine asks the question: "are you gay? are you blue?"
>:) but that could be me. ;)

wow. it's kinda cool when you pull something totally out of your hiney and
someone is able to get a really "rad reference" out of it. :) :) actually, my
point with answer #2 was to answer a stupid, irrelevant question with a non
sequiter (sequitor? sequitur? sekwitar?...) i could have just as easily said,
"peas" or "donut" or "armadillo" or "rototiller", but i fortuitously chose
"blue." i like rick's reference. :)

oh, and now we can add greg's "go piss up a flagpole" and deb's "actually i'm
rather melancholy" to the list.

i like the humorous approach. the angry, defensive approach may leave the
idiot with the erroneous and unfortunate impression that 1) you're angry and
defensive therefore you _must_ be gay because if you were straight you'd be
proud to say it, and 2) being gay is something to be angry and defensive about.

of course, we could also go with the sort of thing miss manners would
recommend (remember miss manners?) that is: make your eyes as wide as you can,
and let your mouth hang open in an unmistakeable expression of shock and
disbeleif, and say, "excuse me??!!! _what_ did you ask me??? i'm terribly
sorry ma'am/sir, but i can't imagine why you would ask me such an
unforgiveably rude, innappropriate, and personal question!"

hmm, i guess igc went out the window with this one. oh! there's some igc! i
just said igc, so there ya go! :)

folkisgruven,
lorindigo

    i           will            not        be               complacent
lorinda wright           "learn to pretend there's more than love that
lw01@lehigh.edu           matters. -e.s.
lehigh university         "the apathy of time laughs in my face
bethlehem, pa             you say each life has its place. -e.s.
    i           will            not         be              complacent

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date:         wed, 7 feb 1996 11:08:04 -0800
reply-to:     paula laine <plaine@seaccd.sccd.ctc.edu>
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from:         paula laine <plaine@seaccd.sccd.ctc.edu>
subject:      re: bumper stickers!
x-to:         christine housel <chousel@grove.ufl.edu>
in-reply-to:  <pine.ult.3.91.960205202157.1153i-100000@palm>

on mon, 5 feb 1996, christine housel wrote:

> does anyone else get kinda happy when they see an ig bumper sticker on
> someone's car? today as i was navigating through rush-hour traffic,
> coming up to a major stoplight and listening to "the wood song" (always a
> nerve-calmer for me), there in front of me was a white car with a "peace
> symbol" ig sticker right in the middle of the bumper. call me nutty, but i
> just get all happy and smiley when i see one...i don't see many of them,
> so when i do it's a big deal to me.

i had a peace/ig sticker on my car for a long time... got it during the so
tour... it started to give at the edges and get all warped. one day last fall
i went out to my car and it was gone...(sniff). i think it just flew away.

i *really* liked having it on my car.

paulal

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reply-to:     sunny <sun@swcp.com>
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subject:      the best things

>        i have a new silly thread for you all.  actually it is a thread
>to let someone else on the list know that they are a wonderful person.
>
>here is how it goes....what is the greatest thing that you have gotten
>from this indigo girls list..anything just name it.

     okay, three things:

1)  over 40 bootlegs
2)  another 1200 curfews poster free from lori levy when my first one was
    received damaged
and last but not least
3)  getting to meet carol jones the first time at an ig concert in santa fe,
    and meeting her again 2 days later in phoenix on my birthday where she
    gave me a backstage pass and i got to meet the girls again!

                                                --sunny

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reply-to:     "christopher m. becker" <cmbecker@space.mit.edu>
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subject:      re: re(2): how far is too far?
x-to:         sswann@pace.atl.ga.us
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              96 12:39 pm

first susan wrote:

> i just wanted to share my opinion on the messages i have seen (not as
> much recently) on our discussions.  i think a person has the right to
> decide what is too far for their limits as a person.  there is such a
> thing as freedom of speech. . .remember that.  don't criticize others
> for what they, as an individual, consider important.  (i bet i'm going
> to get slammed for this; oh well.)

then susan wrote:

> i was not saying that we shouldn't be careful about what we say about two
> individuals; i was just stating that people have been criticized when it has
> not been completely necessary.  take it easy on people.  we're not here to
> shit on the ig.  we're on this list to praise them and their music.  i think
> that they, in some ways, are extremely flattered that we are so interested in
> their personal lives.  if you have the right to slam people for their
> opinions, then be prepared to get criticism in return.

i hope what i wrote and others (especially lorinda -- i really liked
your way of looking at this issue) followed up on was not
misinterpreted.  i agree with you that there is an issue of "freedom
of speech/expression" at work here, which is why i said that everyone
has to answer the question of "how far is too far" for themselves.
i remebered.

i guess its scary to me that many people take a very naive view of
"rights" and "freedoms," specifically, that frequently the
"responsibility" side of the equation gets lost.  i'm not picking on
susan, or anyone here for that matter.  this situation seems to be
pervasive in american society and i offer as examples the nra (right
to bear arms means the right to an ak-47?), various members of the
press (the right to report means the right to invade personal privacy?),
and operation rescue (the right to protest means the right to harass?).

the fact is that the easiest way to lose the rights we have is to not
embrace the responsibilities and ethics that we implicitly accepted
when we exercise our rights.  take a look at the "communications
decency act" for example.

end of consitutional lecture.  what does this mean to me, the ig and this
list?

  it means that we have to take the responsibility to not go too far,
and really think about what that means in the context of what the
people whom we discuss have said.  you said above:

       i think that they, in some ways, are extremely flattered that
        we are so interested in their personal lives.

i really think that is a rationalization.  they have said they don't
want fans involved in thier personal lives, they have written songs
about it.  they have made public some things about their personal
lives because they saw the benefit to the larger world (my life is
part of the global life).  in the end they declassified it!  if you
received mail every day saying "i'm such a fan of yours, what did you
have for breakfast today?"  how long before you were sick of it?
think about it, then think about 1000 people having an invisible
conversation about you, then ask yourself how "flattered" you are.

  when it comes right down to it, they have all but asked "please
don't."  i think we have the responsibility to respect those wishes.


                                -- chris

p.s.  i'll criticize people's opinions and i'll expect to get
criticized in return.  that's why i try to back up what i say with my
train of thought.  the world wouldn't get very far if we didn't
criticize.  hell, there is a very excellent thread going on about
people's assumptions regarding the sexual prefernce of ig fans.  we
are critizing this concept.  its a good thing.  on the other hand,
your point about attacking people vs. attacking their opinions is
right on.  i agree 100%.  i don't see a reason to attack a person, but
their publicly stated opinions are another thing.

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subject:      re: close minded people stink (sort of igc)
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so as we think of appropriate responses to insenstive questions, i'm
reminded of two things.  one, when i was younger my oral surgeon (who was
from isreal but educated in england) used to get asked all the time where
he was from or what nationality he was because he had such an unusual
accent.  he had lived in the us for at least 20 years and thought the
question personal and irrelevant.  he used to say "i'm an american."
great response.

second, suzanne westenhoeffer (sp?), who's a lesbian comedienne, remarks
in her act that when people ask her if she chose to be lesbian  she says
"no, i was chosen!"  what a positive response.  i won the lottery and i
get to be gay.

food for thought

amy

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reply-to:     "amy j. putnam" <pegasus@crl.com>
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from:         "amy j. putnam" <pegasus@crl.com>
subject:      european release of "redemption dream"

perry from rdr has just called me.  those of you looking for
michelle malone's redemption dream, holland release, which contains
additional tracks (including cortez the killer, live with ig!),
you can now get it right here in the us.  preciously you had to order
it from rockrose, the label in holland.  now, rdr has become a
primary us retail outlet or the label.  perry has just gotten a
shipment in, and the discs are $24.95 plus shipping.  details
will also soon be posted to the rdr website, at http://www.hidwater.com/
rdr/ so look there too.

that number again is 1-800-636-6166

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subject:      re: the conversion of my mother

unfortunately my sister and i tried to convert my mother into an ig fan,
but she couldn't get past the "someone's on the bathroom floor doing her
cocaine".  i guess she's just too old fashioned or something!

jill : )


jefrankel@ucdavis.edu

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subject:      re: bumper stickers!
in-reply-to:  <pine.hpp.3.91.960207110448.2878a-100000@seaccd.sccd.ctc.edu>

hey y'all- with all this talk about bumper stickers... why don't we make
our own!! kind of like the t- shirts. i don't know, just a though... it
might be fun! sadly, i am not able to be in charge of this project, but
maybe some gifted soul out there could come up w/ a clever list/ ig
bumper sticker.  just a thought... see y'all later! love,katie ><}}}">

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subject:      re: close minded people stink (sort of igc)
x-to:         lorinda wright <lw01@lehigh.edu>
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those comebacks to "are you gay?" are really funny!!!!  i think i might
have to print them out and paste them on my wall for all to see.  my
friend sent be a xerox of the front page of devenue with ig on it, and
naturally i stuck it up on my dorm room wall.  whenever people come in,
they like reading my stuff, looking aroung at my posters, ig
paraphenalia, etc, and then they're eyes fall upon the magazine cover
and some people do ask me if i'm gay.  my first response is that's none of
your business, but i figure that i have nothing to lose.  that is a lesbian
magazine, so i tell them the truth: i am straight.  (it's kind of cool the
baffled looks i get.)
love y'all, mandy

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subject:      checking this out

whoa! i hadn't been able to send to the list in a while as my mail box
was flooded! i've missed talking to everyone!
anyway, mail box is still being cleared....looking forward to seeing
stuff about everyone on the list.....
by the way: any body going to any ig concert and just happens to be
going east down i-10???? pick me up in beaumont!!!! *giggles*
seriously!
see y'all
sal-ray

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subject:      let's see ....

okay...mail box is empty....
no work today!!!! hehehehehehe
i want to know if anyone has any bootlegs out there they'd be willing
to trade?
sal-ray

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subject:      review on t.i.t.o.t.g.i.l.

i thought that'd get your attention....
i was at the music store and this cd caught my eye....it was titled
"the incredibly true adventures of two girls in love"
it's a soundtrack
naturally, being a sucker  and a lesbian to boot, i decided to buy it
it'a great!!!! scrawl rocks...
go out and get it...right now...if your store doesn't have it make
them order it! hehehehe....
i'm having the movie ordered now....i wanna see if it rocks as well as
the cd!
sal-ray

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subject:      close minded people stink (sort of igc)

my standard response to the question, "are you gay" has been in the
past...

"do you want me to be?"

ndgogrl@prodigy.com

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from:         dan perkins <d.perkin@access.texas.gov>
organization: ecsd
subject:      re: bumper stickers!

on  7 feb 96 at 16:34, katie mccurry wrote:

> hey y'all- with all this talk about bumper stickers... why don't we make
> our own!! kind of like the t- shirts. i don't know, just a though... it
> might be fun! sadly, i am not able to be in charge of this project, but
> maybe some gifted soul out there could come up w/ a clever list/ ig
> bumper sticker.  just a thought... see y'all later! love,katie ><}}}">
>


great idea!  some kind of ig mailing list bumper sticker?? kind of
like the secret decoder rings one used to get in boxes of ceral or
cracker jacks... do they still make craker jacks?

seriously though... i think this is a great idea. i am not clever
enough nor artistic enough to design one... but i would be willing
to help someone who is. and i would definetly purchase one..

good idea!

peace y'all

dan "bassman" perkins

p.s.

bumper stickers currently on my truck are:

indigo girls (peace sign)
greenpeace (rainbow peace sign purchased at so tour show)
peace through music
make music
hate is not a family value
practice random acts of senselessness
"although it was spontaneous, you'd think that it was well
planned. the day the bass players took over the world"
                                   -emily kaitz

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subject:      re: close minded people stink (losing all igc)
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if same sex person askes say "why?  do you want a date??"
ok,  that wasn't very funny.  i'll keep trying.

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subject:      re: close minded people stink (sort of igc)

        at least you (in the plural sense) get asked the question, "are you a lesbian?"  my obsession with the ig has lead to people talking (gossiping) behind my back about my sexual orientation.  i'm now discovering that i'm the center of many people's conversations around the water cooler so to speak.
        my responses have been in this order (1) anger (2)wow, they must have really boring lives to talk about me all of the time (3) my sense of humor kicked in and finally (4) i just play with their little minds.

alycia

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dreaming, quite useless but is feels okay to you
in a world that's dreaming too, in a world in which you
keep on searching for a thing sublime
when all you need is inside of you
everybody's waiting for springtime
well winter can be cozy too.
                                              - k's choice

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subject:      attn: shannon shevock (yamahachick)

hey.  it's mandy here, i just wanted to make sure that i'm getting
everything straight that you wanted...  you would like just colour me
grey in trade for botby? (geez, am i pathetic for being too lazy to buy
it!)  i don't get paid until the 15th, so i'll send it as soon as i can
after then.  happy indigoing...
-mandy

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subject:      re: bumper stickers! (fwd)

---------- forwarded message ----------
date: wed, 7 feb 1996 18:25:08 -0500 (est)
from: amy benore <benorea@river.it.gvsu.edu>
to: dan perkins <d.perkin@access.texas.gov>
subject: re: bumper stickers!

hey,
a list bumper sticker would be a great idea!!!  i have yet to own my own
car (college student=broke), but i'm plenty happy to stick them on my
notebooks!!! (i've found sticking them on my school books affects the
resale value.  go figure...!)
they also look great if i can get them to stick to my "tick" backpack.

any artists out there?

love,
aim

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subject:      re: bumper stickers!
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in-reply-to:  <199602072350.raa21419@access.texas.gov>

hey,

yes, tick as in the cartoon character.  i found a little kid's style tick
backpack, and i bought it right up.  you wouldn't believe the reactions
of some of the students when they see it.  i would really like a muppet
backpack, but they aren't as cool as cartoons anymore i guess.

by the way, the last time i tried to sell back books with ig stuff on it,
the lady at the desk said "these stickers take the value of your book
down to about $1.00"  so i said to her "why!?!  that's the in-di-go
girls!!!  i really don't want to part with that stuff. "  and the guy
next to her looked at it and said,"no offense, but who the hell would
want a book with a bunch of dykes on it?"
well, i tried to control myself, but i couldn't.  i threw the writing
handbood at him.  by the way, did i mention that he is in a frat?  well,
he said "you stupid dyke" and i said, "you both just got yourselves
fired" and filed complaints on campus with about 12 million people.  i am
not gay, and i am not mad that he insinuated that i was.  i just have a
very low tolerance for completely stupid people.  guess i'm just one of
those intellectual types.

that's all, i've rambled far enough!!

love,
aim

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subject:      what happens to people who write chain letters,
              was re: make money fast!!! , (fwd)

i found this article on the death penalty discussion group (alt.activism.
death-penalty) concerning a chain letter which had been posted and
reposted all over the place.   i thought it might be interesting since we
have recently had our own chain letter ...

mat

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---------- forwarded message ----------
date: 6 feb 1996 14:33:21 -0500
from: malinda mccall <mmccall@larry.cc.emory.edu>
newgroups: alt.aapg, alt.aapg.announce, alt.aapg.general, alt.abortion,
    alt.abortion.inequity, alt.abuse, alt.abuse.offender,
    alt.abuse.offender.recovery, alt.abuse.recovery,
    alt.abuse.transcendence, alt.acme, alt.acme.exploding,
    alt.acme.exploding.newsgroup, alt.activism, alt.activism.d,
    alt.activism.death-penalty
subject: re: make money fast!!!

yes, it is illegal in the us as well. read on.


report on make money fast postings

>from news.announce.newusers.

in article <040194ab-purvis@nntp.fbi.gov>, purvis@hoover.fbi.gov (melvin purvis) writes:
|> [moderator's note: this posting is approved on behalf of the fbi,
|> which has stepped in to investigate the massive spree of fraud
|> being committed by the make.money.fast posters.]
|>
|> to the usenet community:
|>
|> you may be familiar with a rash of postings to various newsgroups
|> by various entities purporting to describe a scheme by mr. david
|> rhodes of oxford, kentucky on the subject of "make money fast."
|> these schemes have as their theme a list of people to whom you,
|> the mark, should send money -- followed by reposting of the
|> article with your name added to the list.  in this wise, the scam
|> purports, everyone who participates will become fabulously rich.
|>
|> the fbi wishes to inform you that under no circumstances should
|> you:
|>
|>      1) believe that this scam will work.  it won't.  it's a
|>           classic con principle to promise massive returns on
|>           your meager investment.
|>      2) participate in the re-posting of the article.  if you do
|>           so, you are guilty of a class iv felony.
|>      3) propagate this scam further in any way.
|>
|> we wish to further inform you that cases are pending in the
|> federal courts against several individuals who disregarded u.s.
|> statutes and attempted to defraud their fellow citizens.
|>
|> finally, we wish to inform you that david rhodes himself is in a
|> federal correctional institution for his part in the origination
|> of this scam and will not see the light of day until the year
|> 1997, barring parole or pardon from higher authority.
|>
|> thank you for doing everything you can to stamp out this scam.
|> confidence men benefit no one but themselves.  don't fall victim
|> to schemes like this.
|>
|> sincerely,
|>
|> melvin purvis, fbi

legal notes on make money fast postings (serious!)

in <d5lprz.4oy@nntpa.cb.att.com>, rma@clockwise.mh.att.com sez:
>i'm sure we are all pretty sick of "make money fast" post by now
>(well, i am anyway). my question is are they in fact illegal, or just
>extremely annoying and a breach of netiquette.

illegal.  from the draft misc.legal faq, yet again:

q.  is the "dave rhodes" chain letter legal?

a.  no.  posting it violates the federal wire fraud statute, and
undoubtedly various state anti-fraud laws as well.

    the relevant federal statute, 18 u.s.c. sec. 1343, reads as follows:

  whoever, having devised or intending to devise any scheme or artifice to
  defraud, or for obtaining money or property by means of false or
  fraudulent pretenses, representations, or promises, transmits or causes
  to be transmitted by means of wire, radio, or television communication in
  interstate or foreign commerce, any writings, signs, signals, pictures,
  or sounds for the purpose of executing such scheme or artifice, shall be
  fined not more than $1,000 or imprisoned not more than five years, or
  both.  if the violation affects a financial institution, such person
  shall be fined not more than $1,000,000 or imprisoned not more than 30
  years, or both. [emphasis added]

    while there are no reported cases involving the "dave rhodes"
letter itself, such letters clearly fall within the scope of section
1343.  to begin with, "[i]t is well settled that such a 'pyramid' or
'chain-letter' scheme constitutes mail fraud" under section 1341 when
distributed through the u.s. postal service.  _united states v.
william savran & assocs., inc._, 755 f. supp.  1165, 1181 (e.d.n.y.
1991) (citing _united states v. armantrout_, 411 f.2d 60, 61-62 (2d
cir. 1969)).

    moreover, "scheme to defraud" means the same thing in section 1343
as it does in section 1341.  _united states v. doherty_, 969 f.2d 425,
429 (7th cir. 1992).  thus, since the "dave rhodes" letter would
violate the federal mail fraud statute if mailed, it necessarily
violates the federal wire fraud statute when transmitted over the wires
that propagate usenet.

    finally, it is worth noting that the "dave rhodes" letter also
violates many state fraud laws.  for example, a substantially similar
scheme known as the "airplane game" -- in which each participant pays to
join, and in turn receives payment from those he recruits -- violates
new york's fraud laws, ny penal law secs. 190.60 & 190.65.  _people v.
riccelli_, 149 a.d.2d 941, 941-42, 540 n.y.s.2d 74, 74-75 (4th dep't
1989).

don't be a loser. don't repost make money fast scams.

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thank you so much for that explanation of wounded knee...  i really
appreciate your taking the time to write that out.  that's really sad.
when i was in 9th grade (i'm a freshwoman in college now) i had to take
americam history, from the usa'a founding up to the 2nd world war.  the
only thing that i can honestly say that i learned form that class
(besides dates and names) was that the u.s. was crooked from the
beginning and that i was not proud to be an american.  i wanted to go
sink into some corner of the world and dissapear.  it was about that time
that i began to research my heritage... mostly russian, polish, and
greek.  (you should see me, i have a pretty good tan and the hairiest
arms you've ever encountered.)  i guess it's sort of sad... i do appreciate
the freedoms we (americans) have, but was it really worth it to oppress
all those people, just for this?!?  a little ironic, don't you think?
-mandy >:| (pondering face)

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subject:      re: close minded people stink (sort of igc)
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in a message dated 96-02-07 18:28:57 est, anb038@nwu.edu (alycia) writes:

>    my responses have been in this order (1) anger (2)wow, they must have
>really boring lives to talk about me all of the time (3) my sense of humor
>kicked in and finally (4) i just play with their little minds.
>
>alycia

i love it that a couple of us have mentioned playing with people's minds!!!
i was kind of feeling guilty for entertaining myself that way! ;)
i'm also happy to see that the use of humour is involved in a majority of
people's reaction. :) it makes me smile.

rick
(too many stories to share about this. love this thread.)

ps: lorinda- that was too good!!  i really thought that was a rad tori
reference!! :) laughing hysterically!!!  rick

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reply-to:     hayben@aol.com
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from:         "benjamin s. hay." <hayben@aol.com>
subject:      re: close minded people stink (sort of igc)
x-to:         emark@chaph.usc.edu, mawrtyr@minerva.cis.yale.edu

em'ly wrote:
"ok, i'm still fuming from this, and perhaps you people are the ones who
would understand... i was reading my prodigious quantity of email, and
some guy requested to chat with me. i spent the next couple minutes
shooting the breeze, and then he asks me if i'm a lesbian. turns out he
figured that since i have a couple ig quotes on my .plan (if you want to
see type  finger emark@scf.usc.edu) and assumed i was a lesbian. so i
lambasted him about that point being irrelevant for a couple minutes and
then disconnected. btw, i didn't answer his question. i really
hate it when people brand others like that. have any of you had similar
experiences? i just don't quite know how to react when i get something
like that :(

em'ly"

yes, em'ly.  i think a lot of us have experiences like this, some more
serious, hurtful, or upsetting than others.  mine have been more amusing
(flattering, at least).

  i frequently am assumed to be gay because i happen to listen to disappear
fear (not so much ig, they're a little more universally listened to).  i used
to work in a store where several regular customers couldn't remember my name,
but the day i wore a df t-shirt, the flirting began (noticeably).

my girlfriend has had similar experiences.  oddly enough, i've never met a
straight person who thought i was gay, so i can't say that i've been
discriminated against, or had any negative personal experiences.

you're right.  closed minds are less than productive.  i find it helps to be
charitable, polite, direct, and informative whenever possible, and some (not
all) minds can be opened.  while the ones who choose to keep their minds
closed are probably deserving of some horrible punishment, i prefer to
concentrate on those who can be "converted."  every one counts.

neb

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from:         "tracy l. fears" <und_tlf@hal.lamar.edu>
subject:      sheesh...

i know what it's like to be discriminated against...
my own mother, in front of me, was talking with my aunt and they were
discussing the rights of homosexuals...she flat out said-looking straight
at me- that they did not deserve any rights....my own mother
*sighs*
and remember the guys i was having the convo with about how animals
don't exhibit homosexuality? (his statement, not mine)
one of them was talking to me and my friend val handed me some
m&m's for a chocolate fix and he wanted a blue one...i told him to ask
val and he said "gimme a goddamn blue m&m lesbian!"
you should have seen me chew him out for saying that in an insulting
tone....
*giggles*
he apologized....
anyway, just thought i throw my two cents in...
sal-ray

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subject:      ig and my fish

hey everybody!

i just had to share a funny story with you about how i converted my pet
fish into an ig fan.

it all happened one night....

i had had my fish for a couple days, she is a blue-green betta...very
beautiful. her name is phyllis. anyway, i had her for a couple days, and i
realized that she didn't seem to be a very happy fish. my being a pisces
and all, i sort of got depressed looking at phyllis just suspended in her
tank, not swimming around, not eating, and not being a very happy little
fish. anyway, i was feeling depressed, and thought i'd listen to some ig to
cheer me up. well, i put in ctf and turned the volume up all the way. i was
laying on my bed, watching phyllis, and suddenly something remarkable
happened...phyllis was swimming around the cage like you wouldn't believe!
she was doing summersalts and belly dives, no exageration!!!!! i was so
happy that i hung a picture of a&e above her tank. she was soooo happy! and
always after that, everytime i play ig she just freaks out! i love her to
death!

anyone else out there have similar experiences, or is this just really strange?
i'm curious to know.....:)

love amanda

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subject:      thanks and shameless plug

hi y'all,

two things.  first, please come and visit my new web pages (grin)--i'm a
songwriter, and now i have a page where you can hear 30-second chunks of
eleven original songs. (they're kind of an indigo-girls-meet-the-beatles
thing, with a little matthew sweet, sarah mclachlan and trip shakespeare
influence sprinkled throughout.) plus the page is all colorful and stuff.

http://alabaster.stanford.edu/scot/plaidalbum.html

okay, thanks, hope you enjoy, on to the second thing.  just wanted to
comment that in the past couple of weeks, i've gotten some _wonderfully_
friendly random email in response to my posts, and i just wanted to remark
that this group is full of some very thoughtful people with huge depths of
feeling, so thanks for the cyber-company, y'all. =)

scot

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subject:      nigc: chris williamson

hey there!

i was just wondering if anyone out there listens to chris williamson? she
is a really wonderful folk singer, but i can't seem to find much her music
anywhere. if anyone has some her music, can you please let me know? i'd be
interested to know where i can get ahold of some bootlegs or even recorded
music.

thanks, amanda

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subject:      male ig fans, bumper stickers, and old-fashioned mothers

hey

i'd like to respond to someone's wondering about male ig fans and the rap
we get when we 'come out'.  i agree with the other guy who wrote 'it
doesn't matter what the musician does in his/her private life--i'll
listen to 'em if they make good music', which ig do without a doubt.

as i look around my room, i wonder what a random stranger would picture
me like, have you ever done that?  i'll tell you what i see...several ig
posters/handbills, keith harring and roy lichtenstein art, a sugar
poster, two ansel adams prints, an aids awareness poster (from world aids
day), a poster from "les xx' era, and a calendar.  i think if i were a
total stranger, i would assume i were a contemporary gay male.  i'm not
sure why my cultural interests are as such, but i do seem to appreciate
the preceding artists quite a bit.  ig, keith, bob mould, fine art all
suggest that i'm a certain person.  most of all i don't like being
judged, so i don't know why i constantly perfom the previous expt. in my
head.  i don't care what people think of my personal life--i, too, like
to keep people guessing and confused.
so, in closing to this, i don't give a crap what people think of me if i
do listen to ig.  people who disapprove or such need to find an ear for
true musical talent.  i'm heterosexual, and not all that contemporary, by
the way...

bumper stickers:  i loved my peace sign ig sticker until it crumpled up
and fell off my car.  i'd love another one!!!!
if someone makes mailing list bs's, use the peace logo--it's way cool.

funny, my mom also caught the line, "someone's one the bathroom floor
doing her cocaine," and mentioned something about it to me.  i think she
repeated it and asked if that was what she really said.  hello???

--mike

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reply-to:     new york diva <nql5986@is.nyu.edu>
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from:         new york diva <nql5986@is.nyu.edu>
subject:      re: nigc: chris williamson
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in-reply-to:  <v02110103ad3eeafcb6b7@[144.92.224.149]>

actually!  my roommate kara loooooves cris williamson and knows like no
one else who does!  her email address i will give to you if you write me
personally.  okay?  i know she has a page  on the web and stuff, and
there is a mailing list (snail mail)

noi :)

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subject:      re: close minded people stink (sort of igc)

>>> 1. why? are you?
>>> 2. blue
>>
>>excuse me?
>>
>>
>
>methinks this may be a rad reference to tori amos' lovely song "hey jupiter"
>in which our dashing heroine asks the question: "are you gay? are you blue?"
>:) but that could be me. ;)


speaking of being blue, i read a book once called "are you blue?".  one of
those young adult fiction things, but containing short stories with g/l/b
themes and characters.  an excerpt (is that how you spell that?) from the
title story:
..."we used to imagine what it would be like if every gay person in the
country turned blue for a day."
   my eyes went wide.  "why?"
   "so all the straights would have to stop imagining that they didn't know
any gay people.  they would find out that they had been surrounded by gays
all the time, and survived the experience just fine, thank you.  they'd have
to face the fact that there are gay cops and gay farmers, gay teachers and
gay soldiers, gay parents and gay kids.  the hiding would finally have to
stop."...
so that's my take on it.  just thought i'd add my 2 cents.  back to lurking.
=)           dona nobis pacem, sarah

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from:         derek keith moulaison <frisco@uclink2.berkeley.edu>
subject:      re: bumper stickers!
x-to:         amy benore <benorea@river.it.gvsu.edu>
in-reply-to:  <pine.hpp.3.91.960207185340.14826e-100000@river.it.gvsu.edu>

a frat boy being an ignorant, hateful asshole? i'm shocked!!!!
way to go amy! that's one thing about going to berkeley at least, even the
greek system idiots aren't stupid enough to make comments like that in public...

derek


> girls!!!  i really don't want to part with that stuff. "  and the guy
> next to her looked at it and said,"no offense, but who the hell would
> want a book with a bunch of dykes on it?"
> well, i tried to control myself, but i couldn't.  i threw the writing
> handbood at him.  by the way, did i mention that he is in a frat?  well,

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subject:      ice creaam flavors
x-to:         senorw@mail.wm.edu, abely@fas.harvard.edu,
              bobrov@panther.middlebury.edu, carusoke@tony.bc.edu,
              bechoi@vaxsar.vassar.edu, commins@andrew.cmu.edu,
              ercosman@mit.edu, pmcramb@colby.edu, cday@polar.bowdoin.edu,
              jdeboeve@itsmail1.hamilton.edu, nfrancis@emerald.tufts.edu,
              afuller@leland.stanford.edu, mgallagher@eagle.wesleyan.edu,
              galligag@tony.bc.edu, gorke@fas.harvard.edu,
              griffi_rm@denison.edu, dhaley@itsmail1.hamilton.edu,
              s342460@gettysburg.edu, fhh@seas.upenn.edu, mdkell@mail.wm.edu,
              kosberg@bgumail.bgu.ac.il, drm8@cornell.edu,
              jmargol@fas.harvard.edu, jmonahan@j.imap.itd.umich.edu,
              tomnath@princeton.edu, jjp5621@is.nyu.edu,
              ipirzada@polar.bowdoin.edu, mr7182a@american.edu,
              roundsc@gusun.acc.georgetown.edu, iss8@columbia.edu,
              esanders@abacus.bates.edu, slate@mail.sas.upenn.edu,
              ta_speros@acad.fandm.edu, n.m.stoker@durham.ac.uk,
              wegner@dickinson.edu, jwestcot@polar.bowdoin.edu,
              youngd2@gar.union.edu, 74653.2564@compuserve.com,
              rsjb62c@prodigy.com, msherm@gis.net, dstewart@gis.net,
              toria1212@aol.com, katerenner@aol.com,
              seac+region15@ecosys.drdr.virginia.edu,
              spellman@itsmail1.hamilton.edu, trayne@itsmail1.hamilton.edu,
              jreilly@itsmail1.hamilton.edu, ikasanof@itsmail1.hamilton.edu,
              mmcdonal@itsmail1.hamilton.edu, mgara@itsmail1.hamilton.edu,
              sstock@itsmail1.hamilton.edu, platvis@itsmail1.hamilton.edu,
              students@fas.harvard.edu, students@polar.bowdoin.edu,
              students@princeton.edu, students@columbia.edu,
              students@seas.upenn.edu

this is the last time i'll use this big mailing list but this band i know
is trying to compile a list of all the most obscure ice cream flavors.
please even if i don't know you and you can think of some ice cream flavors
write back with some suggestions.
-scott stedman
ps. still no one has sent me t's e-mail address if you know it help me out

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yah know, generalizing the greek system people as ignorant and stupid is
probably just as close minded as assuming all ig fans are gay... just a
thought...

emly

>  a frat boy being an ignorant, hateful asshole? i'm shocked!!!!
> way to go amy! that's one thing about going to berkeley at least, even the
> greek system idiots aren't stupid enough to make comments like that in public...
>
> derek
>
>
> > girls!!!  i really don't want to part with that stuff. "  and the guy
> > next to her looked at it and said,"no offense, but who the hell would
> > want a book with a bunch of dykes on it?"
> > well, i tried to control myself, but i couldn't.  i threw the writing
> > handbood at him.  by the way, did i mention that he is in a frat?  well,
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              therein)

i'm sorry to send this to the whole list, but it's either that or try finding
about 20 e-mail addresses that i know i don't have any more.  (forgive me
this once, for i shall never do it again!)  (i hope.)

first, i wanted to say thanks to everyone who offered their patience and
support after the great collapsing roof disaster of 1996. final analysis is
that all my music and nearly all my books were unsalvageable, although some
of my lp covers are now enjoying a new existence as wall art.  ::bigsigh::
local friends have been very good about lending me cds, etc., and letting me
use their recording equipment so i can fulfill my half of trades.  time to
get to coconuts, and call rdr to see what they can help me replace. . . . the
clothes?  heck, who cares about the clothes?  i can wear album art.  folks
will think i'm making a statement.  ;)

second is part one of the dual apology -- stacy in ok, i rcvd. your tape, but
can't find your e-mail address.  the sound quality is fine!  (please e-mail
me privately -- i wanted to ask you a question about the tape!  thanks!)

third, the following people's trades are done, & will be going out tomorrow
or friday -- chris ii, annie (fl),  and mandy. . . .  herewith the second
part of the apology -- i know someone's missing from that list, but i no
longer have your e-mail address.  e-mail me privately, with a sound kick to
my haid, and i'll fix it as soon as possible!

thanks again, everybody, for your patience!

tripping in these yellow feet (oof!),
                                        danna

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subject:      re: ig and my fish

in a message dated 96-02-08 00:54:23 est, amlee1@students.wisc.edu (amanda
lee) writes:

>
>anyone else out there have similar experiences, or is this just really
>strange?
>i'm curious to know.....:)

does a cat who rubs her head against the speakers and purrs whenever emily
saliers is singing count?  marlene (thinks she's dietrich and named herself
for the s. vega song) does not share my preference for amy's voice.  although
that's like saying that i prefer the ground on which i walk to the air i
breathe.  nevermind; it was a dumb statement and i hereby retract it.  don't
anyone flame me until i've gotten these trades out.  :)

tripping in these yellow feet,
                               danna

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date:         thu, 8 feb 1996 12:00:08 gmt+1
reply-to:     h.burningham@ulst.ac.uk
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from:         helene burningham <h.burningham@ulst.ac.uk>
organization: university of ulster
subject:      re: twats with no clue

you know, i told my dad about ig this weekend...he's liked their
music for a while now and i didn't want someone to spring it on him
oneday and then him think that i was keeping things from him.  i was
undecided for a while whether to tell him, because i foolishly (and
embarassingly) thought that he'd change his attitude to their music.
but he was really cool and said that he'd had an idea...we then spent
the rest of our call talking about their music and it's affect on us.
it was a brilliant call and i was once again reminded that my dad is
really human and also a really cool human.  i feel really bad now
that i ever thought that his views would change...it's kind of
insulting toward him really and i'm sorry dad (just incase he's
listening cyber-telepathically).
i'm not really into the 'labelling' type thing...and if anyone thinks
that they can put a label on me, then i'm automatically offended, no
matter what the label.  i too love to play with the minds of the
twats with no clue...i never lie...it is impossible to 'define' me,
but i do enjoy the leading of the pillocks in this world up and
around the garden path.
wicked and wonderful sly thoughts...
love helene

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date:         thu, 8 feb 1996 07:36:57 +0100
reply-to:     gary <gary@ah3.cal.msu.edu>
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from:         gary <gary@ah3.cal.msu.edu>
subject:      bumper stickers!  (was - re: male ig fans, bumper stickers,
              and old-fashioned mothers)
x-to:         enenbach <indymike@falcon.cc.ukans.edu>

>bumper stickers:  i loved my peace sign ig sticker until it crumpled up
>and fell off my car.  i'd love another one!!!!
>if someone makes mailing list bs's, use the peace logo--it's way cool.

i've had two ig bumper stickers, both were supposed to be a peace sign.
i say supposed to 'cause one was actually a mercedes benz logo, the middle
fork of the peace sign was gone.  this one was a nice plactic bumber
sticker, the other was identical (except it really was a peace sign) but
paper and promptly began to fall apart.  they're both gone as i now have a
different car, i really need a new bumper sticker, can anyone tell me where
to get one? (a plastic one?)

peace,
gary

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date:         thu, 8 feb 1996 12:54:45 gmt
reply-to:     rachel sefton-smith <seffy@epic.co.uk>
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from:         rachel sefton-smith <seffy@epic.co.uk>
subject:      cool pets (not much igc!)

can't resist chirping up on this thread *groan*  i was actually thinking
about posting it a couple of days ago but thought it was too silly...

my gf and i have a budgie.  he's bright blue (not quite indigo) and called
billy. he's been part of our family (y'know - pets being child substitutes
in l. couples and all that...) for nearly a year, and we'd just about given
up on the idea of him learning to talk when we suddenly discovered his
talent for whistling tunes.  he does a really good "addams family" theme -
all the way thru' and complete with head bobs - and is currently trying very
hard to learn the "nah nah nana nana nah" bit from 'least complicated'  (i
don't suppose there's room for this on indicated iii?)  'tom's diner' is
next on the list of tunes to learn.  any other suggestions are most welcome...

he's always shown musical tendencies by chirping and chattering loudly and
dancing when any music is played whether it's ig's or the duo that i'm in.
s'funny, 'cos if you point the hi-fi remote control at him and turn the
sound off, he'll shut up as well!!

i can't quite believe i'm posting this...

seffy

p.s. billy says "cheep y'all"

         o>
      /(  )\
        ^^

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date:         thu, 8 feb 1996 12:03:37 +0000
reply-to:     indigo jo <mts5@aber.ac.uk>
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from:         indigo jo <mts5@aber.ac.uk>
organization: prifysgol cymru - aberystwyth - university of wales
subject:      re: nigc: chris williamson
x-to:         amanda lee <amlee1@students.wisc.edu>
in-reply-to:  <v02110103ad3eeafcb6b7@[144.92.224.149]>

on wed, 7 feb 1996, amanda lee wrote:

> hey there!
>
> i was just wondering if anyone out there listens to chris williamson? she
> is a really wonderful folk singer, but i can't seem to find much her music
> anywhere. if anyone has some her music, can you please let me know? i'd be
> interested to know where i can get ahold of some bootlegs or even recorded
> music.

i haven't heard any of it but her recordings are mostly on olivia records
and can be ordered over the internet from cd now and similar companies.
i've seen the williamson & fure web page and it says the two women (tret
fure is the other one) were bringing out a christmas album of some kind
on their own new label.

mat

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|  mts5@aber.ac.uk   |      for anyone, an absentee boss is best."     |
|                    |         - jeannette winterson, "the passion"    |
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reply-to:     dianne <dianne@uci.edu>
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from:         dianne <dianne@uci.edu>
subject:      re: nigc: chris williamson
x-to:         indigo jo <mts5@aber.ac.uk>
in-reply-to:  <pine.osf.3.91.960208120121.865a-100000@osfb.aber.ac.uk>

i was introduced, musicwise, to cris williamson a while back. the
'feminist' bookstore in my town's been really tremendous about getting
her stuff for me thru olivia records. their business name is: a different
drummer books, and they are on pacific coast highway in laguna beach, ca.
or, e-mail me if you're interested, and i'll do my darndest to help!

her folk-type style and gorgeous voice are unparalleled, and i believe
that her lyrics were considered 'bold' and gender-specific re: women w/
women back then (the late 70's and early 80's)... her most famous songs
that come to mind are "sweet woman" and "waterfall". her 'greatest hits'
was a terrific compilation...
--dianne
_________________________________________________________________
on thu, 8 feb 1996, indigo jo wrote:

> on wed, 7 feb 1996, amanda lee wrote:
>
> > hey there!
> >
> > i was just wondering if anyone out there listens to chris williamson? she
> > is a really wonderful folk singer, but i can't seem to find much her music
> > anywhere. if anyone has some her music, can you please let me know? i'd be
> > interested to know where i can get ahold of some bootlegs or even recorded
> > music.
>
> i haven't heard any of it but her recordings are mostly on olivia records
> and can be ordered over the internet from cd now and similar companies.
> i've seen the williamson & fure web page and it says the two women (tret
> fure is the other one) were bringing out a christmas album of some kind
> on their own new label.
>
> mat
>
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> |  matthew j smith   |  "[the priest] said that if you have to work    |
> |  mts5@aber.ac.uk   |      for anyone, an absentee boss is best."     |
> |                    |         - jeannette winterson, "the passion"    |
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> |    billy bragg / indigo girls info:  http://www.aber.ac.uk/~mts5/    |
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from:         dana warnez <danaw1208@aol.com>
subject:      my dog clancy

hi everybody,

  i am sharing a not so happy pet story...it is strange for me that a pet
thread
had to come up right now, because just today we had to put our dog to sleep.

we had a sweet natured black cocker spaniel, and her name was clancy.
she had had heart problems for a few months, but the vet had that under
control,
and then just a few days ago, clancy started to act funny....having bad potty

problems and vomitting....she stopped eatting.  it was horrible...last night
she
didn't have the strength to even walk or hold her head up.  we had to hold
her
head up to drink from her bowl.  the vet couldn't find anything in x-rays but

said from the was she had been acting he was sure there was a tumor(s)
somewhere and that beacause she was so old and because all of her systems
were starting to shut down he couldn't recommend aggressively treating her.
he thought she wouldn't live more than a few days in the condition she was
in.
   luckily we all got to be at the vets with clancy and we all got to say
goodbye.
funny how things work out too because i had forgotten what was in my tape
deck,
and when i popped the tape in on the drive home from the vets...i heard wild
wild
party in the loquat tree from cover me grey.  it made me feel a little better
thinking
clancy was in heaven and free like the animals in the song.
   i just had to write a note to share some of this....i am so sad.
    - dana

                      "secure yourself to heaven
                      hold on tight the night has come
                      fasten up your earthly burdens,
                      you have just begun."

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date:         thu, 8 feb 1996 13:33:23 -0600
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from:         "tracy l. fears" <und_tlf@hal.lamar.edu>
subject:      amanda's fish...

well, amanda...i've had a similar experience with my rats...which are
named amy and emily (hehee) they love ig....my gerbils are more into
dave matthews band....but they're prolly straight gerbils
*laughs*
:)
sal-ray

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reply-to:     shannon shevock <slsst2@stulab.sfcpa.edu>
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from:         shannon shevock <slsst2@stulab.sfcpa.edu>
organization: saint francis college
subject:      ig pets

i just wanted to add to this thread:

           my dog luigi loves ig...  one night i was trying to go to
sleep listening to ig on my radio.. i decided to have some fun by
placing the headphones over luigi's ears..  at first, it flipped her
out, 'cause she had no idea where it was coming from.  but then,  she
laid down to listen.. i could tell she liked it.  now, when i play ig
on my stereo at home, she gets really happy and runs around the room.
sometimes she even chases her tail..  i think her favorite song is
ctf, 'cause she really goes nuts when that comes on..:)

          just contributing..

                                peace and bless you,
                                shannon shevock (yamaha)
__________________________________
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loves his neighbor and cuts his
throat if his theology is wrong.
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reply-to:     susan marine <smarine@cc.colorado.edu>
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from:         susan marine <smarine@cc.colorado.edu>
subject:      interesting reference: nigc

hi. i was just reading my digest from the past couple of days and saw the
posting from aim about the time she tried to sell books with an ig
sticker on the front and the clerk made a derogatory reference about "buying
books with a bunch of dykes on them..."

then, aim wrote "did i mention he was in a frat?"

as a greek, a non-homophobe, and a tremendous lover of both dykes and
the indiog girls, i want to express my offense at this comment.

two wrongs don't make a right. generalizing about greeks is no better than
generalizing about gay people, people of a certain race, etc. please
think about that.

my two cents-
susan

smarine@cc.colorado.edu

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reply-to:     michael reynolds <asl@gandalf.umcs.maine.edu>
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from:         michael reynolds <asl@gandalf.umcs.maine.edu>
subject:      straight gerbils...maybe not so straight
x-to:         und_tlf@hal.lamar.edu
in-reply-to:  <960208133323.b473@hal.lamar.edu> from "tracy l. fears" at feb 8,
              96 01:33:23 pm

actually, dave matthews is pretty open as a bisexual, and he is playing
next wed night (valentines day) in maine, but...
so is natalie merchant, and....
i plan on taking the day off, stealing pastries away and go eat them on the
shores of casco bay, with miss merchant herself (can't i dream?) or bringing
her vegan chocolates in exchange for the mere possibility she may encore
with verdi cries...

yes folks i am hopeless, but i did talk to her once at brandeis. even sang
with her!

igc: i hope newport is the weekend of august 9-10th, i am in a newport
summer trip planning type of mood.....

mike r.

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date:         thu, 8 feb 1996 23:07:27 +0000
reply-to:     indigo jo <mts5@aber.ac.uk>
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from:         indigo jo <mts5@aber.ac.uk>
organization: prifysgol cymru - aberystwyth - university of wales
subject:      nigc:  ferron guitar theft
x-to:         ferronfan@aol.com

i just read the transcript of a ferron aol interview on the ferron web
page (http://ferronweb.com/) and i read the bit about her guitar getting
stolen.   it said she hunted around pawn shops trying to find the
instrument but it never turned up.   john gorka wrote a song called "grand
larceny" (from temporary road) which is all about having your guitar nicked
and the blurb at the beginning says, "this song is autobiographical,
although it's not *my* auto this time", and it says in the song, "they
pittsburgh-pawned the instrument that the perpetrator stole ...".

is this all about ferron's guitar?   i know gorka is a big ferron fan
himself ... and i've always wnated to who this song is about.

mat

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|  mts5@aber.ac.uk   |      for anyone, an absentee boss is best."     |
|                    |         - jeannette winterson, "the passion"    |
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date:         thu, 8 feb 1996 19:27:00 est
reply-to:     "january simpson, esq." <simpson@hanover.edu>
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from:         "january simpson, esq." <simpson@hanover.edu>
subject:      re: bumper stickers!

>yah know, generalizing the greek system people as ignorant and stupid is
>probably just as close minded as assuming all ig fans are gay... just a
>thought...
>
>emly

well, ain't that the truth...my girlfriend's in a sorority, and most of her
"sisters" have pretty much demanded that she take me to their formal.
pretty cool stuff.

january simpson
"i can walk down the street and not be recognized because there are so many
impersonators."
                -barbara streisand, at stonewall '95
no wonder they tell you to always read the label...

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reply-to:     "january simpson, esq." <simpson@hanover.edu>
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from:         "january simpson, esq." <simpson@hanover.edu>
subject:      re: twats with no clue

you were bragging on your dad, and i just couldn't help but give my father
some praise he really deserves...
my father is a seventy year-old retired presbyterian minister, and not (so
i thought) the most liberal of people.  this summer, i came out to him and
my mother and his only response was to get up and kiss me on the forehead
and tell me that he loved me and wanted me to always remember my
inseperable connection with the divine.
he went on to expound on his belief that if god took human form in one
individual, it would have to be bisexual as god is genderless and therefore
capable of loving either male or female...
go dad.

january simpson
"i can walk down the street and not be recognized because there are so many
impersonators."
                -barbara streisand, at stonewall '95
no wonder they tell you to always read the label...

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reply-to:     steve.davis@oln.com
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from:         steve davis <steve.davis@oln.com>
organization: online now bbs
subject:      closeminded people

i'm sick and tired of my mailbox being full of pieces of mail from the list
regarding other peoples sexuality.  i'm part of this list so that i can share
stuff about indigo girls with others.  not so i can hear about people who were
accused of being something their not and taking offense to it.  if that's all
that you wan't to write about then start a new list that deals with just
sexuality.  please...let's focus on the girls and their music.

thanks,

steve

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reply-to:     amanda lee <amlee1@students.wisc.edu>
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from:         amanda lee <amlee1@students.wisc.edu>
subject:      nigc: thanks y'all

i just wanted to quick say thanks to everyone for their help in my search
for chris williamson music...i will definitely be getting back to some of
you about your great suggestions, but i'm afraid it won't be until next
week, after i return from my short but much-needed vacation to the lovely
lake geneva, wis.

also, gabrielle wrote:

excerpts from internet.music.indigo-girls: 7-feb-96 ig and my fish by
amanda lee@students.wisc
> i had had my fish for a couple days, she is a blue-green betta...very
> beautiful. her name is phyllis.

>>uhhh.... unless you're into gender bending i would suggest that you
>>change the name of your fish to phil.  a blue-green beta with the long
>>droppy fins is a male.  females tend to be smaller and very plain.

well, i guess i am a gender bender then,  because i knew all along phyllis
was a boy fish. it's just that when i called him by his original name,
daga, (after starfleet dagaba in star wars) he didn't listen like he did
when i called him phyllis. but i'll try the phil thing and see how it goes.
:)

bye y'all

amanda

"no storm can shake my in-most calm, when to this rock i'm clinging."  -enya

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reply-to:     h.burningham@ulst.ac.uk
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from:         helene burningham <h.burningham@ulst.ac.uk>
organization: university of ulster
subject:      10000maniacs...nigc

hi...my friend told me that a 10000 maniacs concert is going to be on
the radio sometime within the next week...i know it will probably be
a few years old because they're not together anymore, but i was just
wondering if there's anyone not in the uk who'd like me to tape
it...i may tape it anyway, but just thought i'd see if there's anyone
who'd really appreciate it.

talk to y'all later

love helene

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reply-to:     blkwngbrd@aol.com
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from:         blkwngbrd@aol.com
subject:      re: live in san francisco-part 2
x-to:         vblr57a@prodigy.com

in a message dated 96-02-08 15:08:10 est, you write:

>subj:  live in san francisco-part 2
>date:  96-02-08 15:08:10 est
>from:  vblr57a@prodigy.com (mr james d hite)
>to:    blkwngbrd@aol.com
>
>sounds cool but hopefully you can get more than 23 people to bring
>down the price a little.


hmmm.....well we could make the tapes $1
but would you be willing to make the 400 copies
to cover all the costs???

the $20 price point came from the fact that people
don't seem to bat an eye at paying $25 or $29 for
an audience recorded ig boot cd that is usually edited
and not always the best of quality.

this live in san francisco "inter-company" promo
is not only the complete ig performance but it is a 24 track
digital master recording.  i have heard this show in its entirity
at the record store.  he played it once and then shrink wraped
it for me and put it away.

he knows i wants this and is willing to let me make payments.
but i figure that if people on the list want it they should at least
make an effort to help out with the costs.

amy  :-)

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from:         blkwngbrd@aol.com
subject:      re: live in san francisco
x-to:         deannal@parallel.park.uga.edu

in a message dated 96-02-07 07:06:05 est, you write

>subj:  live in san francisco
>date:  96-02-07 07:06:05 est
>from:  deannal@parallel.park.uga.edu (deanna light)
>to:    blkwngbrd@aol.com
>
>i saw your recent message about live in san francisco, and i'd be
>interested in getting a copy.  i am a bit curious, however, about
>the price, and about the format of the original and the copy.  i'm
>assuming that you have a cd and are making tape copies, in which
>case $20 seems abnormally high!
>
>you are quite right in acknowledging that the spirit of trading indigo
>girls material is to do it for blanks and postage.  in fact, i am currently
>making a collection of 8 tapes for someone in colorado who has absolutely
>nothing to offer in trade.  i'm making her copies of my original cd's
>of club r&r, reverse 1, the cd bootlegs, and shades of indigo -- all
>for free (except that she sent me the tapes and a sase to cover the
>postage).
>
>i definitely want a copy of this material, even at the $20 cost.  but
>i am still mystified at the high cost; is there some cost associated with
>making the tapes that i'm not aware of?
>
>please let me know what the next step in the process is.


hello,

the "high cost" arises from the fact that i have to figure out how to
get $400.  do you have that kind of cash lying around?  i don't. i'm
just a college student.

the $20 came from the concept that if 23  or so people paid $20 each
that would cover the $400 price of the promo as well as the blanks, mailers
and postage it would require to sent it to everyone.

do you have a better idea???

amy  :-)  >>

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ated 96-02-07 07:06:05 est, you write

>subj:  live in san francisco
>date:  96-02-07 07:06:05 est
>from:  deannal@parallel.park.uga.edu (deanna light)
>to:    blkwngbrd@aol.com
>
>i saw your recent message about live in san francisco, and i'd be
>interested in getting a copy.  i am a bit curious, however, about
>the price, and about the format of the original and the copy.  i'm
>assuming that you have a cd and are making tape copies, in which
>case $20 seems abnormally high!
>
>you are quite right in acknowledging that the spirit of trading indigo
>girls material is to do it for blanks and postage.  in fact, i am currently
>making a collection of 8 tapes for someone in colorado who has absolutely
>nothing to offer in trade.  i'm making her copies of my original cd's
>of club r&r, reverse 1, the cd bootlegs, and shades of indigo -- all
>for free (except that she sent me the tapes and a sase to cover the
>postage).
>
>i definitely want a copy of this material, even at the $20 cost.  but
>i am still mystified at the high cost; is there some cost associated with
>making the tapes that i'm not aware of?
>
>please let me know what the next step in the process is.


hello,

the "high cost" arises from the fact that i have to figure out how to
get $400.  do you have that kind of cash lying around?  i don't. i'm
just a college student.

the $20 came from the concept that if 23  or so people paid $20 each
that would cover the $400 price of the promo as well as the blanks, mailers
and postage it would require to sent it to everyone.

do you have a better idea???

amy  :-)  >>

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subject:      re: live in san francisco

>the "high cost" arises from the fact that i have to figure out how to
>get $400.  do you have that kind of cash lying around?  i don't. i'm
>just a college student.
>
>the $20 came from the concept that if 23  or so people paid $20 each
>that would cover the $400 price of the promo as well as the blanks, mailers
>and postage it would require to sent it to everyone.
>
>do you have a better idea???

the problem here is that you will end up with the master copy, worth a lot
of money, yet you won't have paid anything for it.  on the other hand, many
on the list will have paid a high price for a copy that has no monetary value.

something is wrong with this picture.

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the thing is, if people pay $20 each, then get a copy, what's going
to happen to the original, $400 tape...i mean, either someone gets
to keep it, or it gets resold, so whatever, somebody gets a profit
out of it...

the thing to do is to make sure that whoever gets the original is
random. like a lottery.

or for someone (concievably me...) to get a loan, or $400, and buy
the cassette, copy it and resell it.

or to give the record store owner a backhander for just a copy...
i'm sure he'd warm to the idea of $10 a copy from 100 ig's list
people...

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just my 2 cents...

personally, i'd rather have a cd copy of it than a tape copy.  and as far
as monetary value, does anyone on this list really earn their living by
selling ig items?  imho, most of us just want to have all we can get to
listen to...unique tracks not otherwise released.

i don't think anyone would begrudge $25 +/- for a cd copy...
there used to be someone on the list who had the ability to make cd
copies, perhaps this can still be arranged.

the list-member who wants to buy the cd is going out of her way to make
something available to the list that most of us would never even get to
hear, much less own.  the kind of response she has gotten so far will
probably make her and others less willing to make good-will offers toward
the listmembers for fear of reprisal.

i'm not trying to throw stones at anyone who responded to her, just
trying to provide an alternate perspective.

anyone out there with cd-copying capabilities on the list willing to work
something out with this girl?  i for one would definitely be willing to
pay up to $30 (about all i can afford on my meager wages) for a cd copy
of the san fransisco live promo.  frankly, this is the first i have ever
ever heard of someone ever even seeing one of them...i had heard that it
was just rumor that they even existed.

forward all hate-mail and love-notes to the below email address. :d

-shelley

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okay...

a couple of days ago i posted about an experience with a frat boy that
made me look very one-sided and stupid.  i am sorry if i offended
anyone.  the reason i even mentioned that he was in a frat was that he
had his letters all but tatooed to his forehead.  he was covered with
letters.  i thought it sort of odd that someone bearing the symbols of an
organization that they hold in such high esteem would sit there and put
someone down.  it seems they are speaking for the masses of their
organization.  i will stop there...i know some very nice greek people,
and i promise never to stereotype again.

love,
aim

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i've been reading on the list for about three weeks now and thought i'd
introduce my self.
i'm a student at saint francis xavier university in nova scotia (can)
and started listening to the ig when a friend i met while traveling
overseas was playing some of their stuff. when i got back to canada...i
hit a couple of used cd shops and picked up a coule of their
cd's.(imagine someone pawning an ig cd.......sinners!!!!!)
anyway if there's anyone out there who knows of this little university
drop me a line.....

as well the newport festival sounds awesome.... if there is someone else
from this area (eastern canada) who is thinking of going... it's possible
to split travel costs.........   (it's been a year since i went anywhere
on a road trip.... i think i need to go on one..... ) i have a friend who
might be interested in going but there's lots of room in the toyota so
drop me a line!

just a note:  the parental praise thing..... my mom and dad are awesome,
i don'think i could ask for better folks. my student loan funds got cut
in half this term, i called to tell my parents about it and my dad said,
he had me covered.... $4000..... ,,, i have no idea where he got it but
none the less...... he's great!

well i hope to hear from y'all

cya


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curtis a. lord                     xxx     xxx
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sailing the seas of                  xxx xxx
st. francis xavier u.              xxx     xxx
antigonish, nova scotia.         xxx         xxx

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date: fri, 9 feb 1996 05:08:28 -0500
from: m deen <>
subject:re: live in san francisco

on fri, 9 feb 1996 some misguided soul wrote:

>the problem here is that you will end up with the master copy, worth a lot
>of money, yet you won't have paid anything for it.

so, what's the problem?  did you find the tape?  do you go to record
swaps and give away your various finds?  why should i?  if  you prefer, i'm
sure you can come up with a substantial per tape charge.

in addition to the original $400 investment you can now include actual hourly

time and wages for the dubbing.  not to mention regular matienence checks
for cleaning and lubricating all the decks.  and lets not forget the cost of
the blank
tapes, not to mention the postage and return mailers.

what do you think would be a fair charge, "m deen"
this does seem to be your big concern, although i
don't seem to recall you posting any of your other
obvious pearls of wisdom in the past.

i thought most people would be grateful that i was willing to share my
find with everyone.  you're right, i hope to make back my $400 investment
that's my money for school and i need it.  this was just an idea that i
thought the list would embrace and enjoy.

are you for real???   or simply clueless???

i know many times in a childs life the bigger kids take
the legos and tonka toys and sometimes the little ones
are left out to fend for themselves.  i'm very sorry if no one
wanted to play with you.

i'm sure you've been coddled your whole life and never had to want or
pay for anything.  that is why you can stand  so self-righteous and
judge people you don't even know over a situation which you seem to
have absolutely no clue about.

you must be a newbie.........so i suppose we'll forgive you

but  i must admit that i pity you because i do believe that you think you
actually have a valid point without even considering the time and effort
people put into making these "tape trees" a success.

gee,  i guess i  should make ammends to the list for tracking down
something that i know we've been looking for because it's obvious
"m deen" doesn't approve of the final destination of the master copy.

i suppose if i said....gee since you feel so strongly...you keep the
master i bet that little self-righteous attitude of yours would go right
out the window, eh?  well...all i can say to that is not!!!

so i guess i should just contact this guy and get the tape and
just keep it for my own enjoyment...and basically say fuck y'all.
would that make you feel better "m deen" or whoever you are.

my sincere apologies to the list in case i have said anything that
may have offended anyone....

excluding, of course, that small minded, ignorant, misguided
horses ass...who calls him self  "m deen"


amy  :-)

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subject:      "m dean"  ig-live in san francisco...sale

well,

so many kind, giving and consederate people have
responded to this recent find.  that i can no longer
contain myself.  i simply tried to share something
with you out of the goodness of my heart and i
was ridiculed.

do any of you really think the original tape is going to sound
so much better than a first generation dub???  give me a break!!!
we can thank the little "list" nobodys who never contribute anything
but inane drivel over the most pointless of subjects in helping me to
reach this decision.

thanks to "m dean" and other kind souls...i have decided
to whore myself.  yes,  you asked for it, you got it.
why should kts and teddybear be pulling in the bucks.
i have something that i know you want!!!!!

indigo girls: live in san francisco

the price is $30

it is a 24 track recording with their complete set and the
stereo sound is incredible.

if you want a taste of it, check out "cover me gray" a compilation
the margret clayton put out.  you will be completly blown away
by the quality.

once again, thanks to "m dean" for inspiring me to follow through
on this adventure.  i'm sure others will be quite thrilled at his miraculous
asscent to sheer mediocrity

peace,

amy

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reply-to:     gary <gary@ah3.cal.msu.edu>
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subject:      re: live in san francisco

>the problem here is that you will end up with the master copy, worth a lot
>of money, yet you won't have paid anything for it.  on the other hand, many
>on the list will have paid a high price for a copy that has no monetary value.

no monetary value?  it's worth at least $20 if someone paid for it.
a high price?  what did you pay for 1200 curfews?  is it not worth anything?
was $20 for a 2 cd set that cost virtually nothing to manufacture and
anyone in the world can buy a copy?

monetarily, you (yourself) have no $ amount that you can be listed as,
but yet you still have value (i think).  don't bother to mention life
insurance, that only gives you value if you are dead.

i really would hope the person making all the copies would get to keep
the original (duh?)

peace,
gary

ps - no one told me where i could find a bumper sticker  :(


gary j lapointe
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rock (of cocaine) is three or four times as bad as raping a woman?
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subject:      re: "m dean" ig-live in san francisco...sale
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on fri, 9 feb 1996 blkwngbrd@aol.com wrote:

> contain myself.  i simply tried to share something
> with you out of the goodness of my heart and i
> was ridiculed.

amy, do you really not see the difference between setting up a tape tree and
sharing something that many don't have access to (as has been done time and
again with the general foods promo, blue food, color me grey, shades, the ep,
club r&r, reverse one live) and asking people to pay so that you can purchase
a valuable recording that will continue to increase in value? that's the
whole definition of "collectible."

> do any of you really think the original tape is going to sound
> so much better than a first generation dub???  give me a break!!!

that's not the point at all. if it was, you'd not have a problem
with parting with the original and just keeping a dub, right?

> thanks to "m dean" and other kind souls...i have decided
> to whore myself.  yes,  you asked for it, you got it.
> why should kts and teddybear be pulling in the bucks.
> i have something that i know you want!!!!!

i'd love an original for $30. wouldn't pay more than the cost of a blank
tape and postage for a copy. i've a number of very good quality live
recordings that i've traded with kind souls for free -- the only thing
that makes this one any different is that it's very rare and worth a lot
of money to the person who owns the original. see?

> once again, thanks to "m dean" for inspiring me to follow through
> on this adventure.  i'm sure others will be quite thrilled at his miraculous
> asscent to sheer mediocrity

you're behaving quite childishly here. mr. dean had a very valid point
and i agree with him completely. a fair way of cost sharing might have
been to have everyone interested contribute to purchase and then have a
drawing to see who got the original copy. if your offer was truly one of
kindness and sharing, you'd not be tied to keeping the original for
yourself.

sorry to burst your bubble,
kristina

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subject:      ig-live in san francisco...let's make a deal!

is anybody going to buy this?  i'd be willing to make a deal for a copy =
of your copy.  let's see, the original was $400 *gasp*, a copy of the =
original will cost you $30 *sigh*, so i figure i could part with $5 for =
a copy of a copy.

oh yeah, i have several orginial recording from various dates of the so =
tour.  granted they're not digitally remastered but some sound pretty =
darn good.  i'll be selling those for $20 next week. *snicker*

end of inane drivel from a list nobody-

kris

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subject:      nigc - help! - sad techheads only

i've been more-or-less banned from using the list (i subscribe through
work), but our mail administator has said that if i can find a bulk way of
getting the list mail, then that's probably alright. so, if anyone knows or
has any ideas for producing "a suitable and cost-effective way of
downloading data", can they please e-mail me direct, because i'm not
receiving any list mail at the moment.

i did try mailing listserv@netspace.org for 'help', but that was about as
much use as a wet flannel in a thunderstorm, unless you already know what
it's talking about!

thanks in advance,

neil.

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subject:      nigc: help!

sorry for the nigc, but i'm trying to find some info for a friend of mine.
she read about a gay mountain retreat in tennesse called lee's farm. does
anyone have any info about this place? i've emailed them, but no response.
can't seem to find a web site either. even a phone number would be helpful.
please email me at sherry@newwave.net if you can help. thanks.

sherry

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subject:      re: live in san francisco-part 2
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i believe the promo is casette only, and longer than a single cd, so
would therefore need two discs :) although i'm sure something could
be found to fit onto the space (a recording of the winnipeg '95 radio
show??)

i would go for this plan:
an enterprising personage (with capital to invest) buys this promo
casette, then takes a copy (preferably dat) and then resells said tape
to someone who can afford it...

this copy can then be made into cd's and sold to list members, and anyone
else.

apart from it's technically illegal to do that, it's possible. and there
would be no chance of depriving money to a&em 'cause they wouldn't have
made any on the tape in the first place...

it is possible that i could obtain the capital for such a project, but
i'd be unable to make the discs themselves...

and with the low price of the tape (or free, if resale value isn't less
than cost) then there's a much lower price for the cd's...even so, it
would prolly be at least $50 for the two...

i think it's a good idea, like i said, and any flaws can easily be
overcome...it just needs a little time and effort and patience and
other fluffy things...

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subject:      re: live in san francisco-part 2

>anyone out there with cd-copying capabilities on the list willing to work
>something out with this girl?

yes, we have cd-copying capabilities, and since this "live in san francisco"
is a boot to begin with, i wouldn't have a problem with making cd copies for
the list. (actually i believe it was a one-time promo created specifically
for distribution at one industry convention, if it's the one i'm thinking of,
which is why it's so rare.)  here are my ideas:

1) first scenario:  if we could purchase and own the original disc, then i
would have no problem making copies for $25 each.  this would just barely
cover the cost of the blank cd's (which are expensive) plus envelope and
postage.  we would not be making a profit or re-couping the cost of the
original.  each cd copy would be just as perfect as the original.

2)second scenario:  if amy were to purchase the disc and loan it to us for
copying, we would need to charge $30, $10 of which would go to amy for every
disc.  this would mean we would get $20 each, and be taking a slight loss,
but i guess i would consider that to be the price we paid for owning a
perfect cd copy, without the total $400 investment.  if $10 per copy doesn't
cover the price amy paid for the disc, we could possibly make her a couple of
extra copies to sell at a later date, and she could re-coup her extra costs
that way.

those are the best suggestions i can come up with at this time.  (cause i'm
racing out the door to go to work!)  if anyone has any other suggestions, let
me know!

-connie

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from:         m deen <gre1440@mindspring.com>
subject:      re: live in san francisco

hi gary,

i appreciate your thoughts on this issue.  i'm sorry for not responding to
your question about bumper stickers previously.  i think they may obtained
by contacting the fan club, where you may also obtain t-shirts and
songbooks.  the address is on ig cds.

>>>many on the list will have paid a high price for a copy that has no
monetary value.
>no monetary value?  it's worth at least $20 if someone paid for it.

actually, once the tape is copied and passed around, the copies will not be
worth $20 each.  there will be no way to prove what "generation" a copy is.
only the original will retain its value.  i'm assuming the original in
question to be an authentic original item, with labels and/or other
indicators of authenticity.

peace,
martha

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after reading all of these posts, i thought i'd pass along mho.  i've never
been exposed to the "are you gay" thing, probably because i've been married
for almost 20 years, and back then it was still something that was only
whispered about. i've always been a very liberal thinker (in fact, my air
force sgt. father and i had a very rocky relationship during my teen and
young adult years, because of my opinions.) my oldest son (who's 12) and i
have always talked very openly about things, and  i try to initiate
discussions about things like puberty and sexuality. he knows what being gay
means, and even though i would not want him to be gay (mainly because of all
the prejudice he would have to deal with ) he knows it would not change a
thing in our relationship.  i hope that more members of my generation  pass
this along to their kids, and maybe by the time all of you 20 somthings are
my age,  there will not be any gay or straight questions, but just a simple
"this is my partner."

angie

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subject:      re: live in san francisco
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in-reply-to:  gary <gary@ah3.cal.msu.edu> "re: live in san francisco" (feb  9,
              10:00am)

> >the problem here is that you will end up with the master copy, worth a lot
> >of money, yet you won't have paid anything for it.  on the other hand,
many
> >on the list will have paid a high price for a copy that has no monetary
> > value.
>
> no monetary value?  it's worth at least $20 if someone paid for it.

if you go to a museum and take a picture of the mona lisa, how much
is your picture worth?  nothing.  now you sell it to a moron for $100.
is it now worth $100?  no.  you just managed to find the stupidest
person on earth.

let's not forget about the fact that selling copies of the tape would
be a federal crime.  for that matter, *giving* away copies is a crime.

matt

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subject:      re: live in san francisco-part 2

>yes, we have cd-copying capabilities, and since this "live in san francisco"
>is a boot to begin with, i wouldn't have a problem with making cd copies for
>the list. (actually i believe it was a one-time promo created specifically
>for distribution at one industry convention, if it's the one i'm thinking of,
>which is why it's so rare.)  here are my ideas:

>2)second scenario:  if amy were to purchase the disc and loan it to us for
>copying, we would need to charge $30, $10 of which would go to amy for every
>disc.  this would mean we would get $20 each, and be taking a slight loss,
>but i guess i would consider that to be the price we paid for owning a
>perfect cd copy, without the total $400 investment.  if $10 per copy doesn't
>cover the price amy paid for the disc, we could possibly make her a couple of
>extra copies to sell at a later date, and she could re-coup her extra costs
>that way.


ok, i could be wrong as one of those ignorant newbies who don't contribute
anything but drivel(?) but does this not sound like a good idea to any of you?
this way, amy would be able to keep her original copy of the cd, get at least
partially, if not fully, reimbursed, and we would get ig cd quality sound.  i
woudln't mind paying the $30...after all, this is the ig we are talking about!!!
so connie, i don't know about anyone else, and i would like to see some opinions
posted, but i think its a good idea and if it ever goes through, sign me up for
a copy.  =)

peace,
nicole

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>if you go to a museum and take a picture of the mona lisa, how much
>is your picture worth?  nothing.  now you sell it to a moron for $100.
>is it now worth $100?  no.  you just managed to find the stupidest
>person on earth.
well, a nice print of it will run you $30.  that doesn't make you stupid.

the mona lisa can't be much more than $50 in paint and canvas, where is
it's value?  it's in the same place as the beauty, in the eye of the
beholder.

it's all perspective.
whats a candy bar worth to you?  50 cents?   a coke?  $1.00?
they'll cost you triple that in a movie theatre, and people do it all the time.
you'd never pay $3 for a coke at a gas station!
(unless you just got out of the desert, and then you'd pay a hundred!)

>let's not forget about the fact that selling copies of the tape would
>be a federal crime.  for that matter, *giving* away copies is a crime.
i didn't bother to bring the law into it, you seemed pertfectly willing to
break the law for a cheap copy (or if you had a chance to win the master).
please don't get all high and mighty about the law.  that wasn't the issue
you originally brought up or the issue i chose to comment on.  if that was
the issue the other stuff wouldn't even matter.

if it had a lable on it and everyone could get it for 11.99 at k-mart it
wouldn't be a topic.

although, where is value?  i bought a new tori single for 6.99 and someone
else got it for $3.99, did i get ripped off?  (is my 6.99 one worth more
than their 3.99 one?).

but have you ever shopped in a hotel lobby? i try not to, i think "i'm a
moron if i buy stuff at these prices" two seconds later someone comes in
and buys a $2 postcard (they are 6 for $1 two doors down) are they a moron?
i think not, that is just their perspective on shopping/value (that and
they make 6 figures a year).

i feel like we are talking investment.  i'm talking entertainment (value).
ah well....

peace,
gary

(this is a mish-mash of a few other messages i have just sent out...)

gary j lapointe
gary@ah3.cal.msu.edu
http://web.cal.msu.edu/gary/

how do i explain to clients that society believes buying a
rock (of cocaine) is three or four times as bad as raping a woman?
   -- robert jakovitch, broward (fl) assistant public defender

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subject:      re: live in san francisco

"nothing has value other than the value men (people) put upon it."

gregory peck, from "pork chop hill"


>
> the mona lisa can't be much more than $50 in paint and canvas, where is
> it's value?  it's in the same place as the beauty, in the eye of the
> beholder.
>
> it's all perspective.
> whats a candy bar worth to you?  50 cents?   a coke?  $1.00?
> they'll cost you triple that in a movie theatre, and people do it all the time

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from:         michael bunch <mrbcom@earthlink.net>
subject:      re: kristia/dean & ig-live in san francisco
x-to:         kristina cizas <kcizas@cgrg.ohio-state.edu>

at 10:11 am 2/9/96 -0500, no one in particular wrote:

>on fri, 9 feb 1996 blkwngbrd@aol.com wrote:

>that's not the point at all. if it was, you'd not have a problem
>with parting with the original and just keeping a dub, right?

but why on earth should i part with something that i have been
searching for so many years.  do you want the original?  is that
whay you're shooting for?


>i'd love an original for $30.

well, good luck, the guy is offering it for $400


>i wouldn't pay more than the cost
>of a blank tape and postage for a copy.

did you buy, "days of wine & roses", "complicated
girls" or "history of us"???


>i've a number of very good quality live recordings that
>i've traded with kind souls for free -- the only thing
>that makes this one any different is that it's very rare
>and worth a lot of money to the person who owns the original. see?

i have over 300 indigo shows that i have traded for nothing but blank
tapes and postage.  they were shared freely with me and i do the same.


>you're behaving quite childishly here.

and you're not?  get off the cross mary, we need the wood!
sweetie...you need to get off your little soapbox here you're
impressing no one but yourself.  all "m dean" seemed to want
was something for nothing and it seems that you want the same.

>mr. dean had a very valid point and i agree
>with him completely.

well, then i feel sorry for you, it's painfully
obviously that you haven't a clue either.  it looks
like neither of you stood back and looked at the big
picture so to speak.  if you did you would see what the
real opportunity was.


>a fair way of cost sharing might have been to have everyone
>interested contribute to purchase and then have a drawing
>to see who got the original copy.

are you stoned or just stupid???  i'm not running a contest here.
i've been tracking down this promo since 1992.  why on earth would
you think i would just give it away because members who wanted it just as
badly should have some sort of clain because they participated in the "tape
tree'  spare me!!!

so kristina, if you or "m dean" came across this $400 show you would not
only make copies for everybody involved but you would also hold a lottery
to see who would get the original copy you purchased, huh?  gee, what a
gal i must contact mother theresa and see about getting you cannonized.


>if your offer was truly one of kindness and sharing,
>you'd not be tied to keeping the original for yourself.

you are truely pathetic and obviously have no grip
over the reality of the situation.  this is a very simple
matter....i will try to explain it in lay terns

since you
seem to have some          sort of difficulty grasping the concept.

amy...


here goes:

1.    a tape is purchased for $400

2.    interested parties contribute $20-$25

3.    once aquired, dubs are made and sent
      out to interested parties.

4.    the original tape, which i found and
      purchased in the first place is mine.
      i'm not charging for time or effort in
      organizing this thing.  it is the least
      i should get.

amy   :-)

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subject:      re: live in san francisco-part 2

> ok, i could be wrong as one of those ignorant newbies who don't contribute
> anything but drivel(?) but does this not sound like a good idea to any of you?
> this way, amy would be able to keep her original copy of the cd, get at least
> partially, if not fully, reimbursed, and we would get ig cd quality sound.  i
> woudln't mind paying the $30...after all, this is the ig we are talking about!!!
> so connie, i don't know about anyone else, and i would like to see some opinions
> posted, but i think its a good idea and if it ever goes through, sign me up for
> a copy.  =)

i agree. that sounds pretty reasonable, and i'm willing to chip in.
amy

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from:         russ rutter <russ@dexmn.com>
subject:      failed mail honr the earth

sorry to take up eveerybody's time with this but these people requested honor
the earth information and i could'nt email them so if you are one of these t
people please send me your snaiul mail address so i can get somehting out to
you the addresses are
1.  warra5c@numen.elon.edu

2.  mtngr16@aol.com

3.  gbxj07e.prodigy.com

4.  sanawikel@aol.com

thanks, take care.  russ

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on the ig mailing list and yesterday she saw some stuff
about cris williamson.  i love cris and i have a fair amount of her stuff.  i
understand someone (amanda lee?) was looking for some of her albums.  if you
want, i can send you some copies.  just email me at sequoia456@aol.com

                                                      thank's ya'll!

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in-reply-to:  <9602091019.zm20689@java> from "matt gilarde" at feb 9,
              96 10:19:14 am

> let's not forget about the fact that selling copies of the tape would
> be a federal crime.  for that matter, *giving* away copies is a crime.

okay mr. holier-than-thou, do you own any bootlegs? of any band? do you have
any idea that there are *no* federal criminal policies in the us to own a
tape or treade a live tape as long as it is not for profit...

besides do you think amy or emily really care about this type of thing?
i think they should be more upset with the guy selling it for 400 bucks
(tape not cd, tape) 400 for a cd would be waaaaaaaay to much and unless it
was a original recording of michael stipe's written rem single/demo tape sent on photo copied
and pen written liner notes or one of the eight original "color me gray"
tapes...it is not worth it

forget the one promo for 400 bucks, find an audience recording (neily do you
actually have the aud recording? i owe you a few tapes anyway?) why not wait
and see if one copy of live in sf appears, maybe someone in close contact
with the girls will trade it or seed it in a week

no tape is worth 400 bucks!!!!


> matt
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from:         "amy j. putnam" <pegasus@crl.com>
subject:      a little extra math on the promo...

i am one of those who disagrees with amy's proposal for having
everyone chip in $20 for her to buy the tape.

let's look at the math...amy wants us to buy the tape for her,
in essence.  at $20 a pop, it would take only 20 poeple to
meet those expenses. so...what if 40 people want it?  does the
price drop?  or do the first 20 pay $20 and anyone who wants it
in the future does the typical trde thing..blanks and postage.
doesnt sound too logical to me.  or perhaps, amy finds 40
poeple, doesnt tel any of them that there are 40 poeple and
therefore *makes* $400 on the deal.  sounds to me like amy wants
us the list to put her through school.  either way, in a couple
of years, the tape is in general circulation as most bootlegs
are now, and the peopl ewho paid $20 and just suckers who lost $20.

personally i like connie's idea.  let her buy the tape and make
cd copies available to everyone.  it would last longer than the
tape anyway.  if more poepl want the cd than it would take to cover
cost, perhaps a portion of the extra could be given to the
honor the earth fund or something. (just a thought...)

look...amy...there are lots of things that lots of us want
that we cannot afford.  i would love a genreal foods disc or hand
painted rop done by amy ray.  but they are prohibitively expensive
so i have to pass.  *shrug* i have a nice collection of stuff
now so i dont worry about not having everything.  the moral of
teh story:  you cant have it all.   and i for one will
most certinaly not help to put you through school.


amy p.                          /       who holds your hand
pegasus@crl.com                /        when you're alone
                              /
the original photo monk      /                  --patty larkin

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subject:      re: a little extra math on the promo...

>personally i like connie's idea.  let her buy the tape and make
>cd copies available to everyone.  it would last longer than the
>tape anyway.  if more poepl want the cd than it would take to cover
>cost, perhaps a portion of the extra could be given to the
>honor the earth fund or something. (just a thought...)


putting the extra money in a good cause fund like the honor the earth fund is a
good idea..way to go amy p!!  just thought i'd give my two cents worth on this
one...maybe we should put all the money in there and no one should profit
period.  there are a lot of other people who need this money more than we do. =)

peace y'all,
nicole

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subject:      re: a little extra math on the promo...
in-reply-to:  <pine.sun.3.91.960209141528.5022a-100000@crl.crl.com>

sure i paid $29 for hou and dowar; but they are on cd. to me tape is
disposable; it doesn't last forever. i would pay that kind of money for a cd
no problem, but not a tape.

paulal

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subject:      live in san francisco - my thoughts

hello everyone.

after reading the numerous posts on this topic, which include some
*incredibly* childish flames of both kristina and martha deen, i feel
the need to say something here.

the main problem with this situation is that, once the copies are made
and distributed, one person still holds the original copy.  given
the fact that it can sell apparently for as much as $400, there's no
reason the owner can't turn around, sell it for around the same price,
and "break even" on the purchase.  in the interim, however, if x number of
people are paying $20 for a copy, all of that extra money is merely profit.

i have to question the intentions of blkwngbrd@aol.com (amy).  if she
only wants to cover her losses, from spending $400 on a single cd, then
i do not fault her character, only her strategy.  i think her plan - to
sell copies at $20 apiece - is not a good one.  many list members have
stated
good, solid reasons as to why this method is not plausible.

the only person who should be buying this cd is someone who both has
the money and feels that this single cd is worth $400.  personally,
i do not fit into either category; therefore, i have no interest in buying
it.  if such a person exists on this list, however, i am hoping that s/he
will be kind enough to buy it and offer up dubs of the cd, to other list
members.

the only reason people have dubs of such "rarities" as reverse 1, general
foods coffeehouse promo, etc. is because a kind person bought the promo
and voluntarily offered copies to others.  that is what should be done here.
in a world where selfishness and greed prevail, there can be exceptions.

on a side note, i think the recent flames on this topic have been ridiculous.
i've seen people fly off the handle before, but rarely have i seen the
incensed person look more foolish than in this situation.  amy, chill out.

that's my 2 cents.  back to lurking.

--elana cooper

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subject:      live in sf part 1,0006

hi. just wanted to throw in my opinion about this whole discussion regarding
the live in sf promo that amy has found.

i agree that the option to pay $30 to get it recorded on blank cd's sounds
better from a purely practical standpoint. cd does last longer and is better
quality. if someone is willing to do that (i am so sorry, i can't remember
your name!) i would be willing to pay $30 for it.

i guess what amazes me the most about this discussion is not the whopping
$400 price tag on the tape or the logistical nightmare of copying it, but
rather the completely rude treatment amy has gotten from people. i feel like
people have been attacking her motives for wanting to share the tape with us
without even knowing what they are...it never would have occurred to me to
think that someone on this list was sitting there, rubbing her hands together
greedily, saying "wow! i'm gonna get those suckers. they're going to buy me
this fabulous collectible and i'll make them think i did them a favor!!!!" and
some of you apparently seem to think amy was doing just that.

i don't have $400 bucks lying around for a ig tape. i have no problem
whatsoever trading and sharing my boots with others for no cost, but none
of them cost me $400 either. i might not want to do it (make copies) simply
because every time you play a tape you wear it down a teeny tiny bit. so
amy, i don't blame you for wanting to figure out a way to have "investors".
maybe your math was faulty, but i am certain your intentions were in the right
place. and if you do decide to buy the tape, i will send you $20 for it,
and then make copies for people for free if they want it. your terms-- my
terms. just because they aren't the same doesn't make one of us right and
the other wrong.

recently, i agreed to a trade with a person who wanted me to send them two tapesand an sase- one tape for me, the other blank for them ( for their time).
while i would never ask for an extra tape for me, i understand why others might
(especially college students) and i don't begrudge anyone this request.
i don't see this as "making money" off the ig's, but maybe i am alone in this.

anyway, this is about the third or fourth time an ugly thread has made me
want to rethink being on this list. please, lets all be more civil...or
we may have to have two lists...on for "nice ig fans" and one for "ig fans
suspicious of others motives and accusing them of being swindlers"

happy friday :)
susan
p.s. sorry i rambled

smarine@cc.colorado.edu

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at 05:32 pm 2/9/96 -0500, matt wrote:

>no tape is worth 400 bucks!!!!


oh matt...you're so right:

indigo girls ep          $500
strange fire:            $300
dentetd cans:            $100
crazy game single        $75
gf coffeehouse sessions  $250
reverse 1 live           $175
shades of indigo         $65
club r&r                 $200
three hits               $40

i guess those promos, in your
oh so valued opinion are worth
the bucks, eh???

gee, matt you are so right, what
could amy have been thinking.
she was just asking a few people to
help out with the initial cost of that
promo for completely self-less reasons.
so everyone could get a copy.

she wanted to offer it to the list and
instead was embarassed and humilated by
those arrogant old-timers who had nothing
better to do than pounce on her efforts.
congratulations, i'm sure you made her feel
like shit.  and i hope you're all proud of
yours efforts.

michael


      amy:

      i appreciate you kind efforts towards everyone
      on the list in spite of the fact that many of
      them spend too much time keeping their heads
      up their ass.

      i will personally see to it that you get
      a copy of the iglisf promo...free of charge

      and the rest of them can go to hell...

      michael

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subject:      re: a little extra math on the promo...
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at 04:23 pm 2/9/96 -0800, you wrote:

>sure i paid $29 for hou and dowar; but they are on cd. to me tape is
>disposable; it doesn't last forever. i would pay that kind of money for a cd
>no problem, but not a tape.


don't be so naive...i guess you haven't heard of laser rot, eh?

michael


nothing lasts forever...

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subject:      jcs so far

i'm making a quick update for the list on our jcs project. i have had a
good number of responses and it seems like it's going to be a great tape.
here is the list so far:
1. heaven on their minds (robert sticka)
2. everything's alright (amy benore)
3. what's the buzz (maggie poulos and corroboree)
4. this jesus must die (this jesus must die)
5. i don't know how to love him (pamela shaw)
6. poor jerusalem (martha morrison)
7. gethsemane (chris talbot)
8. pilates' dream (me and jan,i think)

so far we're doing alright but we still need more entries. remember there
are still some great songs in that song that noone has metioned yet.
(ex. damned for all time, simon zealotes,herods' song,ect...)
i don't think the tape would be complete without a version of "herods'
song". it's very easy and all it really needs is an acoustic guitar and a
piano. and it's really easy to sing. so for those who can only carry a
tune but are really good actors, this one is for you.
thanks to evryone who is participating. remember- i would like the
deadline to be on feb. 15 so send in your entries.
thanks,

ben

ps - we still need someone with a good stereo to make the tape for us. i
would even be willing to send you some money and a few blanks to
get the job done.

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subject:      re: value of collectables

<snip>

okay. i'm going to step out of lurk-dom for just a few minutes.
i quite agree with what michael posted just a few minutes ago.
i've been on this list now for just over a year. in the past year,
i have actually replied to only five or six posts, read just under 50,
and deleted the rest. i subscribed to this group because i was
under the impression that this list was devoted to the girls
and their music. sometimes, i have been very pleasantly surprised
at what i've found here. amy's post was one of those. the rest,
well, let's just say that i've been quite liberal with my delete key.
now, i know that most of the responses i get to this are going to
be 'if you don't like it, leave,' and i have to say, i've thought
very seriously of doing so. the only reason i'm still here is
because i occasionally find those posts that are just jewels.

amy, i'd like to thank you for what you were trying to do for
the list. if there's any way i can be of help, please let me know.
for me, rare ig music is a joy at any price, considering that
most of my collection is incredibly mainstream. also, my apologies
to both you and michael for waiting around until someone else
had the courage to speak. i know i should have posted before.

as for me, i'll be signing off the list here soon, i think.
i get to talk more about the igs on a mailing list of high school
friends than i do on the actual indigo girls mailing list.

breg

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subject:      thanks

hi people!
been following this bootleg thing; especially the sf tape--someone's making
money off of it--it is probably the person who wants to sell it to amy.

i don;t know but from my past experience (i'm 42) once we start talking about
$20 bou  bootleg tapes, cds whatever--our ability to tape is going to be lost
because of at that point it becomes a money thing not a community thing--
the dead really ca  clamped down after it ba  became a money thing and i
thnk the ig will too.

on another note--thanks for remembering honor the earth--we alll really
apprecieate it

bye.  russ

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february 9, 1996)

hi ann!!  hope you have a fantastic birthday!!!  my cd player chose hammer
and nail for you....whew! hope this gets to  you in time :))))

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subject:      cd costs

i know because i've done it through pachyderm studios that cds with jewels
cases but no liner notes cost as little as ninety cents per piece in quantitys
as low as 1000 copies

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subject:      re: value of collectables

hello!

>all "m dean" seemed to want was something for nothing
>and it seems that you want the same.

actually, i don't want a copy of the tape at all.  i also have no interest
in the original.

my concern is that when the whole thing was done, amy would have a $400
collectible in her possession, which will likely go up in price, yet she
will not have paid for it.  everyone else will have paid for it.  it is an
item that is considered very collectible.  she could sell it if she so
desired, and get her investment back out of it...perhaps even more.  the
very rare collectible items go up in price as the years go by.

on the other hand, everyone else will have a cassette copy that does not
have a monetary value of $20.  in my opinion, amy would be using everyone to
own a valuable collectible.  that was my concern.

for what it's worth, i own the pre-epic vinyl by ig, and they are worth
quite a bit.  but i make copies of the rare songs for people for the price
of blank tape and postage.  i do not ask any additional money from people to
afford the cost of my collectible items.  i also have the club r & r cd,
which is also a pricey item.  again, i tape it for people for the cost of
postage and blank tape.  i do not think that anyone else should pay for me
to own a collectible item.

also, for what it's worth, i do not think the idea of a lottery makes sense
either.  basically, i think if you want a collectible, buy it for yourself.
if you want to copy it for people, then copy it for people.  but don't make
money on the copying to pay for the item.

>so kristina, if you or "m dean" came across this $400 show you would not
>only make copies for everybody involved but you would also hold a lottery
>to see who would get the original copy you purchased, huh?
i would most definitely copy it for people, for the cost of blank tape and
postage.  i would not do the lottery thing though.  if i pay for an item,
and i don't make money off of taping the item, then i own the item.

>1.    a tape is purchased for $400
>2.    interested parties contribute $20-$25
>3.    once aquired, dubs are made and sent out to interested parties.
>4.    the original tape, which i found and purchased in the first place is
mine.
>        i'm not charging for time or effort in organizing this thing.  it
is the least
>        i should get.
i disagree.  just for making copies for people, you deserve to get a $400
collectible item for free?  that does not make sense.  in effect you really
are charging for time and effort, and it doesn't take $400 worth of time and
effort to do something like this.

just more thoughts on the subject,
martha

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subject:      matt didn't say the 400 dollar comment!!!!!!!!!

i really cannot believe the utter foolishness i am trying to defend,


*i* said no tape is worth 400 bucks, *i* am not auctioning anything!!!!!

my name is mike, not matt, and his prices may be high, but that is what
would be posted in goldmine.

   furthermore michael bunch, if you have live in san fran on tape, why
didn't you (or anyone else for that matter) say so! quit your intra list
bitching (god how i wish this was 1993, this would have never even gone past
5 posts....) and help someone get a tape of the damn promo. if i knew this f$#king promo was going to cause so much
problems i would have offered it but *i* don't have it.
    i think what amy was trying to do was seed a tape she thought no one
had, mr. bunch if you did have the show why didnt you seed it? i think she
may have been a bit naive as to how to distribute the cost of the tape but
you nor i cant blame the person for wanting to _essentially_ doing pretty
good. now if you have the tape seed it, or else quit your chiding and
seeming "punishment of the list" by saying you'll make sure she gets a tape,
well, grow up, you arent in any position to tell people how to act, and i am
essentially agreeing with you, really.
     my post was totally about the "legality of a tape". i cant believe
people are not all content with the current pickings of : 1200 curfews, seven boot cd's (hou, dowar, blood and
fire, in with the out croud, nothing to hide, complicated girls and rem's
{which is essentially ig} under the moonlight) and two legit videos and a
b'cast concert.....

when you step back, breathe, realize sometimes the beauty of sunsets means
more than making sure a audio tape was 100 percent perfect or shipped in two
days express mail (and joe from wpi, your tapes are spinning this weekend,
let me know if you want a video or something) you might realize there is
more to life than taping concerts. really. i try not to trade as much now to
try to "capture" the amount of pure emotion you got when you had your first
live boot (mine was rem live on the green tour westwood one b'cast) you
realize how awesome each tape is. having the time to listen to it
completely, without interruptions, can be breathtaking.

     i, however would be willing to help seed this show if it is ever
received by one person on the list who wants to trade this show, hell i
*will* add stuff to make it a 3 tape 90 minute package! i will spin 5 copies
off if it is seeded!!!! please realize some of us are under incredible
workloads (grad courses, work and a thesis) and may tkae time. well this is
prolly falling on deaf ears, i am trying to help and probably look like a
fool for doing so, but oh well, no one has a life time rehearsal, and if
you may be lucky or damned enough to have met me in my wanderings through
the years, you might realize that the uniqueness it brings is.....refreshing

too damn tired of typing,
mike reynolds

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subject:      re: live in sf part 1,0006

hi susan,

>i guess what amazes me the most about this discussion is not the whopping
>$400 price tag on the tape or the logistical nightmare of copying it, but
>rather the completely rude treatment amy has gotten from people. i feel like
>people have been attacking her motives for wanting to share the tape with us
>without even knowing what they are...it never would have occurred to me to
>think that someone on this list was sitting there, rubbing her hands together
>greedily, saying "wow! i'm gonna get those suckers. they're going to buy me
>this fabulous collectible and i'll make them think i did them a favor!!!!" and
>some of you apparently seem to think amy was doing just that.

i just wanted to say that i never thought any of the things mentioned here
about amy.  i did not think she was intending to rip people off, and i
didn't say she was either.  but, even though her intent was not bad, i did
see it as a deal that was not so good.  that's why i posted.

>we may have to have two lists...on for "nice ig fans" and one for "ig fans
>suspicious of others motives and accusing them of being swindlers"

i never questioned amy's motive, nor did i accuse her of being a swindler
(or anything else).  i just didn't think that paying $20 for a copy was a
good deal.  i spoke up merely to raise that question.

peace,
martha

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two things:

1) the original live in san fran is not a bootleg; it is an epic promo

2) it is not a tape; it is a cd.

sorry if this is repetitive--i deleted my digest after the first 600 nigc
messages and flames.

margaret

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on fri, 9 feb 1996, margaret clayton wrote:

> two things:
> 1) the original live in san fran is not a bootleg; it is an epic promo
> 2) it is not a tape; it is a cd.
> sorry if this is repetitive--i deleted my digest after the first 600 nigc
> messages and flames.

okay, so i'm half thinking of maybe volunteering to *buy* the goddamn
thing and then we can all work out getting copies (tape tree or
something) to all interested.  have to think seriously about balancing my
outstanding tuition fees against current income etc first though.

can anyone supply a track listing?  what year's the promo from?  any more
info to help me decide whether or not it's too precious for me *not* to
buy it?

cheers folks,
sherlyn

ps - let me state this again in an attempt to avoid flames:
        1. i collect ig stuff.
        2. i believe in trading, for materials and postage, you know,
                *trading*.
        3. i can probably afford it, although i'll have to check.
        4. i'm only *thinking* of doing this.
        5. i love dar williams.
        6. i'll shut up now. :)

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        but the hills of iowa make me wish that i could,
        and i've never found a way to say i love you,
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subject:      enough!

ok.

i am annoyed.  i understand wanting a copy of rare indigo girls material.  i
understand not having the money to pay for it youself.  i have already asked
a number of people if they would be willing- out of the goodness of their
hearts and because it's the rules we've been asked to play by- to tape some
things for me if i send them tapes and sases.  most of them have agreed, and
i appreciate their generosity and spirit of comraderie.  if i had anything
anyone wanted copies of , i would be more tham happy to tape it for them and
not think twice about the inconvenience.  it's part of the pact we make in
these trades.  at least, that's what i thought it was when i signed on two
weeks ago, and that's how i will continue to work.

with that said, here is this:

i do not want to read about people haggling over money, laws about bootlegs,
or semantics. call me a stupid newbie, if you like.  this is my opinion.
since many have repeatedly shared theirs, here's mine.  if you don't like
amy's idea- don't participate.  don't send her money, don't ask for copies,
don't acknowledge the offer.  it really is that simple.

i want to talk about ig- how cool they are, how good their music is, and how
we can be creative about our appreciation of their music and the spirit of
community they promote.  that's what this list seems to have been and should
be.  i cannot speak for a&e, but i think this fight via internet might
perturb them just a little.  give that some thought.

-dani

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subject:      re: enough!
x-to:         danip@aol.com

thank you dani!!!!!!!!!!!! you speak for a lot of us, i'm sure....

~*oracle*~
waitin' for the light to shine....


in a message dated 96-02-10 01:29:07 est, danip@aol.com writes:

>subj:  enough!
>date:  96-02-10 01:29:07 est
>from:  danip@aol.com
>sender:        indigo-girls@netspace.org (indigo girls mailing list)
>reply-to:      danip@aol.com
>to:    indigo-girls@netspace.org (multiple recipients of list indigo-girls)
>
>ok.
>
>i am annoyed.  i understand wanting a copy of rare indigo girls material.  i
>understand not having the money to pay for it youself.  i have already asked
>a number of people if they would be willing- out of the goodness of their
>hearts and because it's the rules we've been asked to play by- to tape some
>things for me if i send them tapes and sases.  most of them have agreed, and
>i appreciate their generosity and spirit of comraderie.  if i had anything
>anyone wanted copies of , i would be more tham happy to tape it for them and
>not think twice about the inconvenience.  it's part of the pact we make in
>these trades.  at least, that's what i thought it was when i signed on two
>weeks ago, and that's how i will continue to work.
>
>with that said, here is this:
>
>i do not want to read about people haggling over money, laws about bootlegs,
>or semantics. call me a stupid newbie, if you like.  this is my opinion.
> since many have repeatedly shared theirs, here's mine.  if you don't like
>amy's idea- don't participate.  don't send her money, don't ask for copies,
>don't acknowledge the offer.  it really is that simple.
>
>i want to talk about ig- how cool they are, how good their music is, and how
>we can be creative about our appreciation of their music and the spirit of
>community they promote.  that's what this list seems to have been and should
>be.  i cannot speak for a&e, but i think this fight via internet might
>perturb them just a little.  give that some thought.
>
>-dani
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subject:      will tape san fran live for back rubs

hi! wow!..that live in san fran disc sounds pretty keen.. i will find the money
to buy it..and tape it for everyone and their cat for the price of blanks, post
age and a big hug when you see me on tour (specially that poulos girl) ..
we are fortunate ones,
joe
p.s. amy gets her copies for free of course :)

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subject:      nigc: cris williamson +...

i noticed that a couple of people had mentioned cris williamson, and i
*think* someone said that her recordings were a bit difficult to get hold
of.  i found two releases at my friendly independent record store (which is
apparently getting dar williams to put on a free show in a week or two :)
).  one was a fairly recent release, the other was a live recording, with
someone else (the name escapes me, sorry...).
anyway, if anyone would like me to get one or both for them i'll
willingly get them.

on another note; if  i owe you anything (e.g. copies of promos ), or
you're expecting something from me, could you e-mail me?  i'm possibly
the most forgetful person you're ever likey to come across, and all of my
messages pre-february seem to have gone on holiday.  i can then pull my
finger out and sort out my life and your's tomorrow.

rebecca.

(who's baffled by all of the live in san francisco talk.  my vote is
someone buys it if they want to, and then does with it what they think is
fit: hides it for themselves/lets others copy it/sell copies of it
etc.).  at the end of the day, if you're not buying it, for better or worse,
you haven't really got much say about what happens to it).

(who's also willing to make copies of shades/reverse-1 for anyone, either
as part of a trade, or for blank tapes).

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subject:      happy birthday!!!  (february 10, 1996)
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hi alexis!!!  may you find loads of tulips and sunshine on your birthday!
;)...."make new friends....but keep the old...and remember what is gold.."

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subject:      just mho and a little igc

hi...i'd just like to give dani and rick a cheer and mention that i
came into university this morning to read list mail...i did not
expect to bombarded with a trillion messages about money...it's said
that money is the cause of great rifts...definitely true.

anyway, over here in the uk, we have bigger things to worry
about...the ira ceasefire is off and bombing had begun...not a good
thing to start the weekend with...

but for some igc...i heard the mark knoplfer version of r&j
yesterday...totally spooked out when it came on the radio...it was
just so flat and meaningless...amy...you are a saint...she does that
song so much justice.
squidgy moment of last night...amy's 'mercy' on language or the
kiss...1200 curfews...too cool for words.

see you all later...please no fighting...

love helene

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subject:      the san fransisco mediation mama

i threw in my 2 cents before, so now here goes a total of 4 cents
concerning this topic.

i collect ig music (not posters or other memorabilia)... i like their
music and if there's a recording (professional recording, dubbed or
otherwise, on cd) i don't have yet, i always want to seek it out and get
a listen.  i did not just fall off a pumpkin truck... i have 2 college
degrees, i pay my own bills and taxes, and i know the value of a dollar.

if i am willing to pay $20 or $30 or $50 for a professionally dubbed cd,
that's my business and it doesn't make me stupid or any unkind term that
some of the listmembers like to throw out through email because of the
anonymity of cyberspace.

when i'm in the check-out line at the grocery store and the person in
front of me has 5 6-packs of coke in their cart... which, when not on
sale, might be $3 per pack, i don't tell that person, "man, you're an
idiot...don't you know you can get twice as much for half the price at
sam's?  boy, you sure are a stupid-ass."  of course i wouldn't say
anything like that to someone when looking them in the eye... so why
would i say something like that to someone on the internet?

also consider that if amy purchased the tape or cd or whatever the hell
it is for $10 5 years ago, people (me included) would still be willing to
plunk down $20 for a dub.  this is not comparable to a dub of some cocert
someone went to in philly w/ a tape recorder stuffed in their butt, imho.

if you don't approve of the sale of dubs, then don't purchase them.  no
one on this list who decides to make a purchase like that needs the
motherly advice of someone else on the list to tell them whether or not
is a wise purchase.  unsolicited advice is also inherently unwanted advice...
that is probably another contributor to the hostility concerning this topic.

i said it before, and i'll say it again, i'll pay good money for a good
cd (not tape) dub of that recording... as that recording was originally
professionally made.  if someone is trying to sell a copy of so or rop for
$100 to someone from another country or something, and it's obvious that
the person is getting screwed, that's one thing, but i'd venture to say
that a good 98% of the list-members are intelligent to make that decision
for themselves.

i'm not trying to single anyone out and i'm not getting a commission from
amy's sales or anything... i'm just trying to add a different perspective
on the issue.  stating your opinion is one thing, but judging other
people for spending their own money, judging someone else's morality for
making $, and doing it all in a public forum is a little too much like those
trash tv talk-shows... everyone has their opinion and the solution for
everyone else's problem.

whew.  ok... perhaps that was more like $6 rather than 2 cents, but soak
it in, people.  the people who listen to ig are usually
happy-go-lucky-get-along-with-anyone type of people... this list should
foster that environment and not one of stone-throwing and enemy-making...
it's the opposite of the message of the music we all obviously hold dear.

"come together", people... :d

later,
shelley

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subject:      re: kristia/dean & ig-live in san francisco
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at 07:56 pm 2/9/96 -0500, you wrote:

>actually, i don't want a copy of the tape at all.
>i also have no interest in the original.

i don't know why i find that very hard to believe.


>my concern is that when the whole thing was done, amy would have a $400
>collectible in her possession, which will likely go up in price, yet she
>will not have paid for it.

well good for her!  isn't that what the whole free enterprise system is
all about, supply and demand.  and, contrary to your previous statement.
she did pay for.  she simply sought investors to participate in her endevor.


>on the other hand, everyone else will have a cassette copy that does not
>have a monetary value of $20.

says who?  you?   i bought my mom the barbara streisand highlights
tape and it was $17.98.   isn't the issue the rare live music that's
on the tape and not the fee.  do you own any of the bootleg ig cd's, isn't
it almost the same principal?


>in my opinion, amy would be using everyone to
>own a valuable collectible.  that was my concern.

oh please, get off the soapbox, are you that starved for attention???
amy found something she thought others might enjoy out of the kindness
of her heart, she mentioned it to the list and asked for feedback.
she's a college student.  and you know what she would be getting back
from this big investement...her tuition.  boy, the nerve of some students!
oh yes and lets not forget that one single cassette copy that started it all.

>for what it's worth, i own the pre-epic vinyl by ig, and they are worth
>quite a bit.  but i make copies of the rare songs for people for the price
>of blank tape and postage.  i do not ask any additional money from people to
>afford the cost of my collectible items.  i also have the club r & r cd,

so...do you want a brownie button for you efforts?  do you think you deserve
a medal or something for that?  that's old news.  i've been doing that for
years as have carolyn, julie, marianne and any number of the original
"old-timers" from the list, it's even listed in the faq.


>in effect you really are charging for time and effort,
>and it doesn't take $400 worth of time and effort to do
>something like this.

and when was the last time you were in a recording studio?
sounds like your in a serious need of a career change.
my time and effort far exceeds $400 and thats on a slow day.
i guess it is true what they say, that some people can lie in
shit so long that they just don't smell it anymore.


>just more thoughts on the subject

well, you did try, however feeble your efforts may have been.

michael

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reply-to:     michael bunch <mrbcom@earthlink.net>
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from:         michael bunch <mrbcom@earthlink.net>
subject:      value of collectables

at 05:32 pm 2/9/96 -0500, matt wrote:

>no tape is worth 400 bucks!!!!


oh matt...you're so right:

indigo girls ep          $500
strange fire:            $300
dentetd cans:            $100
crazy game single        $75
gf coffeehouse sessions  $250
reverse 1 live           $175
shades of indigo         $65
club r&r                 $200
three hits               $40

i guess those promos, in your
oh so valued opinion are worth
the bucks, eh???

gee, matt you are so right, what
could amy have been thinking.
she was just asking a few people to
help out with the initial cost of that
promo for completely self-less reasons.
so everyone could get a copy.

she wanted to offer it to the list and
instead was embarassed and humilated by
those arrogant old-timers who had nothing
better to do than pounce on her efforts.
congratulations, i'm sure you made her feel
like shit.  and i hope you're all proud of
yours efforts.

michael


      amy:

      i appreciate you kind efforts towards everyone
      on the list in spite of the fact that many of
      them spend too much time keeping their heads
      up their ass.

      i will personally see to it that you get
      a copy of the iglisf promo...free of charge

      and the rest of them can go to hell...

      michael

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from:         m deen <gre1440@mindspring.com>
subject:      re: kristia/dean & ig-live in san francisco

hi michael,

>i don't know why i find that very hard to believe.
i'm sorry you don't believe me.  it is true.

>well good for her!  isn't that what the whole free enterprise system is
>all about, supply and demand.  and, contrary to your previous statement.
>she did pay for.  she simply sought investors to participate in her endevor.
this list has always been very strong in its thoughts that dubbing, whether
of boots or promos, should not be done to make money.  that is why i raised
my question.

>>on the other hand, everyone else will have a cassette copy that does not
>>have a monetary value of $20.
>says who?  you?   i bought my mom the barbara streisand highlights
>tape and it was $17.98.   isn't the issue the rare live music that's
>on the tape and not the fee.  do you own any of the bootleg ig cd's, isn't
>it almost the same principal?
i have already explained this michael.  the original promo item is still
worth $400 after all of this is done.  what i mean is that, in terms of
collectible items, this one will still be a rare collector's item.  tape
copies of a promo are not collector's items of value, in the same terms.  i
am not questioning the value of the music.

>oh please, get off the soapbox, are you that starved for attention???
why are you attacking me?  i never attacked anyone.

>amy found something she thought others might enjoy out of the kindness
>of her heart, she mentioned it to the list and asked for feedback.
>she's a college student.  and you know what she would be getting back
>from this big investement...her tuition.
not just her tuition.  do you really think that only 13 people will take her
up on her idea?  i know that boots of this show are hard to find.  i would
imagine that many people would be interested in amy's offer.  at $30 per
tape (her current "sale" price), she will probably make profit on top of her
initial expense.  and she would have a promo that could be sold for another
$400.  all of this is at the cost of others on the list, many of whom are
also college students.

>so...do you want a brownie button for you efforts?  do you think you deserve
>a medal or something for that?  that's old news.  i've been doing that for
>years as have carolyn, julie, marianne and any number of the original
>"old-timers" from the list, it's even listed in the faq.
michael, i mentioned this for exactly the reason that we have all always
dubbed promos for no profit.  this list has been adament in the past that
people should not make money from dubs.  why are you attacking me for
supporting this?  i never said i was the only one who did this.  but i -was-
told that i wouldn't dub at cost if i had a valuable promo, which is not
true...so i supported my position with facts.

>>in effect you really are charging for time and effort,
>>and it doesn't take $400 worth of time and effort to do
>>something like this.

>and when was the last time you were in a recording studio?
>sounds like your in a serious need of a career change.
>my time and effort far exceeds $400 and thats on a slow day.
you misunderstood me here, michael.  i didn't say studio time wasn't worth
$400.  i said dubbing cassette copies of a promo isn't worth $400.

>i guess it is true what they say, that some people can lie in
>shit so long that they just don't smell it anymore.
michael, this was not called for.  i have not attacked anyone.  why are you
attacking me?

peace,
martha

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from:         michael bunch <mrbcom@earthlink.net>
subject:      re: kristina in search of a clue
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at 08:35 pm 2/9/96 -0500, kristina babbled:

>nope. i just don't want to see a bunch of people subsidize your
>extravagent purchase. if i wanted the original, i'd come up with
>$400 to purchase it, not ask others to do it for me.

umm...how did this become my purchase?
i thought it was amy's?
did you forget your prozac today?
or are you late for your electro-shock therapy?
then again, maybe you're just really stupid.


>you are not talking about a tape tree here - you are asking people to
>invest a significant amount of money in something so that you can own it.

are you on disability, welfare or food stamps?  i have never heard $20
considered as a significant amount of money.  it barley covers a movie,
popcorn and drink at the local cinema.


>what do they get in return?  a worthless tape.

well, i can't speak for anyone else on this list but i do not consider
a 24 track, digital stereo copy of a complete indigo girls show
from the great american music hall in san francisco a worthless tape.


>if i came across it and decided i had $400, i
>would let the list know and set up a tape tree.

i will notify mother theresa that we have found her
a suitable replacement.


>actually, my dear, you're the pathetic one, and you've made it so
>patently clear by your reactions on the list that i'm actually
>embarrassed for you.

oh sweetie, don't flatter yourself, from the number of positive responses
i've received over your infantile ramblings quite a few of us have had a
number of chuckles at your expense.

i'm truly sorry that your miserable little life will never be more than
mediocre at best.  your struggle at expressing yourself made that painfully
obvious.  it may be best if you just crawled back beneath that rock from
which you came.  and leave the real discussion to the adults.  i'm sure
it's way past your bedtime and won't the sun be coming up soon?


>ah well. i wish you the best of luck in finding some
>suckers that will bankroll your purchase.
>i'm sure they're out there.

are you refering to amy again?
well, save your phony well wishes,
everyone here knows you're full of shit.

i feel so sorry for you...but it does remind
me of a quote for the clueless.  this is something
you say to people who no matter how hard you try
they just don't seem to get it.


and kristina...you certainly fit the bill!


"never try to teach a pig to sing"
"it wastes your time and annoys the pig"

michael

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date:         sat, 10 feb 1996 22:18:26 +0800
reply-to:     maggie wheeler <maggiew@singnet.com.sg>
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from:         maggie wheeler <maggiew@singnet.com.sg>

why is everyone being so horrid.
michael (bunch) go and lie down somewhere with an ice pack on your head
for a while; switch off your computer; count to 56900004400 and seventy three
before you say anything else.

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the message that michael chose to reply to publicly was sent off-list;
i'm not real happy he chose to respond in the public forum and i
apologize to list members for having to read that.

the content doesn't deserve a response, and won't get one.

best,
kristina

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          oracle and dani -
          count me in.  can we all shut up and get busy listening to
          the girls?! shesh.
          towanda

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reply-to:     maggie wheeler <maggiew@singnet.com.sg>
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subject:      forwarded message

is it possible to unsubscribe a list member?
just feeling it should be possible when things
get to this stage:

>date: sat, 10 feb 1996 07:31:20 -0800
>x-sender: mrbcom@earthlink.net
>to: maggie wheeler <maggiew@singnet.com.sg>
>from: michael bunch <mrbcom@earthlink.net>
>subject: admittedly out of line...but
>
>at 10:18 pm 2/10/96 +0800, magpie wrote:
>
>>why is everyone being so horrid.  michael
>>go and lie down somewhere with an ice pack
>>on your head for a while; switch off your
>>computer; count to 56900004400 and seventy
>>three before you say anything else.
>
>hey maggie...fuck you!

whats the matter with the guy?

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subject:      re: kristina in search of a clue

hello michael,

>umm...how did this become my purchase?
>i thought it was amy's?

kristina was simply responding to a post to the list, from the account of
michael bunch, that was made yesterday afternoon.  it may have been a post
from amy, as her name was in the note, but it came from your account,
michael.  it really wasn't very clear.  most of us generally reply to the
account from which a post came, unless a note says to direct replies
somewhere else.

michael, you have now used abusive language toward at least three people on
the list over the sf tape idea:  krisina, myself, and now maggie.  none of
it has been called for.

what has happened to promoting the spirit of ig that we all think is so cool?

peace,
martha

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subject:      ig moments-nsfc (no san fran content)

at the risk of arresting mid-stream the development of a fine
cyber-bar-room brawl, i'm venturing a post off-topic.

a few years ago, just before i left the mormon church in a huff and came
out i was sitting with the woman i loved then on the stairs to her
basement.  she was about to leave the country for an 18 month mormon
mission.  (no, she wasn't running from herself or her "sexual identity"
or me or anything else--it was what she wanted to do and it made her very
happy.)  anyway, the point being that it was one of those bitter-sweet
moments of love and loss and joy and rage and all that.  just as we were
sitting there, not quite crying, watershed came over the cd player.  we
had been touched by god.  it was like both of us knew that what was about
to happen, her wandering full-force into an institution i hated, our
impending separation, was (hesitating to use this word) right.  we felt
peace for the first time in weeks.

so what this comes down to is an open invitation to re-charge the spirit
of this list with stories of mine and yours of moments where ig music has
arrived at life precisely correctly.  i've read lots of stories about how
ig music has affected all of your lives, but i want to hear about those
split seconds where you know something truly divine has occured.  i
welcome private e-mail but encourage community responses.

yours,

chris ii
<chris.talbot@m.cc.utah.edu>

"i cannot believe that the
universe could be so kind
as to be godless."
        --kevin smith

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subject:      hello

i am a newcomer to the indigo girls mailing list.  i am a big fan and am
now learning guitar and their songs all at once!  it's great fun but i
could use a partner to sing harmony with.  anyone interested and in the
northern california area?

does anyone know what's up with their next album and/or concert tour?  i
own both of their videos, but it's not the same thing as being there!
linda

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lperrine@adobe.com (work)

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subject:      indigo swirls

yes, i am bringing up the ice cream thread again.  hopefully, it will cool
some of you hotheads off.  especially, you mike bunch.  do you kiss your
mother with that mouth.

anyway, the reason that i am bringing up this silly idea again is that on
this past wednesday, i had the opportunity to meet and talk to fred "chico"
lager, the ex-president and ceo of ben & jerry's who wrote the book the
inside scoop  (or something like that) about b&j's and i mentioned to him my
idea for a new b&j's ice cream flavor, which at the time was indigo swirls
crunch.  he thought that the concept of naming a flavor after ig was a cool
idea.  however, he told me to lose the crunch part and just stick with indigo
swirls part, so i am.  he even gave me a name and address to submit my idea
to.  he said that she reads everything that is sent to her and if i mentioned
that he told me to write to her, that she would make sure that it got to the
right place.  thus, i think there is somewhat of a future in this idea.  all
it took was one postcard from a deadhead to make cherry garcia a reality.  i
think an organized, focused letter writing campaign could make indigo swirls
a reality.

i am going to work on a form letter that i will post to the list.  all that i
ask is that you forward it back to me with your name and e-mail address.  i
am going to print out all of the letters and send them to b&j's.  i am also
going to contact the fan club and see if they might want to help out by
mentioning this in their next newsletter.  i am still open to other ideas
about flavors and names of flavors, however indigo swirls will remain as is.
the ingredients are:

vanilla (or a variant of vanilla) ice cream
chocolate-covered bluberries
a variety of berry swirls (blueberry, raspberry, snozzberry, etc.)

also if any of you have any better ideas about how a mass-mailing of letters
or a petition could be constructed, let me know.  in the past, this idea has
been met with a minimal response.  i know it is really silly, but as an ig
fan, i think it would be really cool to have a ben & jerry's flavor named
after them.  and the way i figure it is, if so many of us have the time and
energy to construct long, vicious hate letters directed at each other, then
maybe we have the time and energy to devote to something a little more
constructive and fan, albeit silly.  i really would like to hear from you
about this.  if i don't get any other ideas by next weekend, i am going to
assume that indigo swirls is the consensus choice and prepare a form letter
and send it out.  talk to y'all soon.

let it grow

bert

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date:         sat, 10 feb 1996 14:03:00 est
reply-to:     "january simpson, esq." <simpson@hanover.edu>
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from:         "january simpson, esq." <simpson@hanover.edu>
subject:      re: enough!

>i do not want to read about people haggling over money, laws about bootlegs,
>or semantics. call me a stupid newbie, if you like.  this is my opinion.
> since many have repeatedly shared theirs, here's mine.  if you don't like
>amy's idea- don't participate.  don't send her money, don't ask for copies,
>don't acknowledge the offer.  it really is that simple.
>
>i want to talk about ig- how cool they are, how good their music is, and how
>we can be creative about our appreciation of their music and the spirit of
>community they promote.  that's what this list seems to have been and should
>be.  i cannot speak for a&e, but i think this fight via internet might
>perturb them just a little.  give that some thought.
>
>-dani


dani, i have one thing to say...work it like a diva.  i find it hard to
believe that thinking, adult, rational human beings have sunk to this level
of pissiness over this topic.  for heaven's sake, people, can't we just
talk about music and how it makes us happy and how life just wouldn't be
too much fun without it?  i thought that's what this list was for.  of
course, i am just a newbie...

january simpson
"i can walk down the street and not be recognized because there are so many
impersonators."
                -barbara streisand, at stonewall '95
no wonder they tell you to always read the label...

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from:         melanie tsai <16melanie@greatnet.uwcv.edu>
subject:      =====>>> *fantastic* free offer i discovered on the 'net

-----> note:   please first read my note which appears below the "request
for more info form."  then, to get more info, just fill out the "request
for more info" form completely and *fax* or *smail* it back to the company.
you will get a quick reply via email within 1 business day of receipt of
the info request form below.

important notice for those faxing in their reply:  please make sure you
return *only* the below form and *no part* of this message other than the
actual form below.  if you do not know how to cut and paste the below form
onto a fresh clean blank page for faxing, then you may re-type the below
form, as long as you copy it line for line *exactly.*  this is necessary in
order for them to be able to process the tremendous number of replies that
they get daily.

your fax goes directly onto their 4.2 gigabyte computer hard drive, not
paper, and all incoming fax calls are set-up to be *auto-terminated* if
your fax:
1. has a cover page;
2. is more than one page
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4. does not end with the "cut here/end" line from the below form.
5. has any handwritten info. on it (info must must be filled out *only*
    with your computer keyboard or typewriter keyboard).  this last
    provision re:  no handwriting on the form applies to requests sent in
    via smail also.

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or via smail (first class mail or airmail) to:
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sorry, but incomplete forms *will not* be acknowledged.  if you do not
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name:
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city-state-zip:
country:
work tel. #:
work fax #:
home tel. #:
home fax #:

how did you hear about us (name of person who referred you or the area of
the internet that you saw us mentioned in):  referral by:  melanie tsai.
021096-l

name of usa mags you currently get on the newsstand or in the store:

name of usa mags you currently get on the newsstand or in the store:

name of usa mags you currently get on a subscription basis, through the mail:

name of usa mags you would like price quotes on when we call you:

catalogue format desired (list "1," "2," "3" or "4"):

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catalogue format options:
1.  19-part email- can be read by everyone (~525 k total).
2.  for more advanced computer users:  attached text file ~525k - you
     must know how to download an attached text file and then be able to
     open it with your word processor.  if in doubt, don't ask for this
     version.  this isn't for internet *newbies.* better to order option 1
     and spend a few minutes pasting them into one whole text document
     with your word processor, than to waste hours trying to figure how
     to deal with this option.
3.  for more advanced macintosh computer users: compressed attached
     text file, created with a stuffit(tm) self-extracting archive (.sea),
      ~133k.  can be decompressed by any macintosh computer user; no
     special expansion software or knowledge of stuffit (tm) needed.  you
     just double-click on the file icon and it automatically expands
     (unstuffs). this is for more advanced mac computer users only, as
     you still have to know how to deal with an attached file.  it will cut
     your download time by 75%.   expands out to the same ~525k file in
     option #2.  see option #2 for more info on what you will need to be
     able to do.
4.  for expert computer users: compressed attached text file, created with
     stuffit(tm),  ~114k.  can be decompressed by any computer user who
     has expansion software to decompress (expand) stuffit(tm) (.sit) files.
     this is for more advanced computer users only and will cut your
     download time by 78%.   expands out to the same ~525k file in option
     #2.  see option #2 for more info on what you will need to be able to do.

hi fellow 'netters,

my name is melanie tsai and i recently started using a magazine
subscription club in the usa that has a free 1 yr. magazine subscription
deal with your first paid order- and i have been very pleased with them.
they have over 1,500 different usa titles that they can ship to any country
on a subscription basis.   as for computer magazines from the usa, they
more of a selection than i ever knew even existed.  they have magazines for
most every area of interest in their list of 1,500 titles.

within the usa, for their usa members, they are cheaper than all their
competitors and even the publishers themselves.  this is their price
guarantee.

overseas, on the average, they are generally around one-fourth to one-half
of what the newsstands overseas charge locally for usa magazines.  on some
titles they are as little as one-tenth of what the newsstands charge.  they
feel that mgazines should not be a luxury overseas.   in the usa, people
buy magazines and then toss them after reading them for just a few minutes
or hours.  they are so cheap in the usa!   well, this company would like to
make it the same way for their overseas members.  they are also cheaper
than all their competitors in the usa and overseas, including the
publishers themselves!   this is their price guarantee.  around one-half
their business comes from overseas, so they are very patient with new
members who only speak limited english as a 2nd language.

their prices are so cheap because they deal direct with each publisher and
cut-out all the middlemen.

they will send you their deluxe email catalogue (around 525k-big and
juicey) !)...if you completely fill out the form above.  it has lists of
all the freebies, lists of all the titles they sell, titles broken down by
categories and detailed descriptions on nearly 1,200 of the titles that
they sell.

please do not email me as i am just a happy customer and a *busy* student.
i don't have time to even complete my thesis in time, let alone run my
part-time software business!  please fill out the above form and carefully
follow the intructions above to get it to them via fax or smail.

they guarantee to beat all their competitors' prices. sometimes they are
less than half of the next best deal i have been able to find and other
times, just a little cheaper - but i have never found a lower rate yet.
they assured me that if i ever do, they will beat it.

they have been very helpful and helped me with all my address changes as i
haved moved from one country to another.

they have a deal where you can get a free 1 yr. sub to a new magazine from
a special list of over 295 popular titles published in the usa.   they will
give you this free 1 yr. sub when you place your first paid order with them
to a renewal or new subscription to any of the over 1,500 different popular
usa titles they sell.

they can arrange delivery to virtually any country and i think they have
clients in around 45 or 46 countries now.  outside the usa there is a
charge for fph (foreign postage and handling) (on both paid and freebie
subs) that varies from magazine to magazine.  i have found their staff to
be very friendly and courteous.  they even helped me with an address change
when i moved from one country to another.

the owner thinks of his service as a "club" and his clients as "members"
(even though there is no extra fee to become a member - your first purchase
automatically makes you a member) and he is real picky about who he accepts
as a new member.   when he sets you up as a new member, he himself calls
you personally on the phone to explain how he works his deal, or sometimes
he has one of his assistants call.  he is kind of quirky sometimes - he
insists on setting up new members by phone so he can say hi to everyone (i
sure wouldn't want to have his phone bills!),  but you can place future
orders (after your first order) via e-mail.

he has some really friendly young ladies working for him, who seem to know
just as much as he does about this magazine stuff.  if you live overseas,
he will even call you there, as long as you are interested, but i think he
still makes all his overseas calls on the weekends, i guess cause the long
distance rates are cheaper then.

he only likes to take new members from referrals from satisfied existing
members and he does virtually no advertising.  when i got set-up, they had
a 2-3 week waiting list for new members to be called back so that they
could join up. (once you are an existing member, they help you immediately
when you call. )  i think they are able to get back to prospective new
members  the same day or within a few days now, as they have increased
their staff.  i am not sure about this.........but if you email the above
form to them, that is the way to get started!

they will send you their deluxe email catalogue (around 525k-big and
juicey) !)...if you completely fill out the form above.  it has lists of
all the freebies, lists of all the titles they sell, titles broken down by
categories and detailed descriptions on nearly 1,200 of the titles that
they sell.

they then send you email  that outlines how his club works and the list of
free choices that you can choose from, as well as the entire list of what
he sells;  and then they will give you a quick (3-5 minute) friendly,
no-pressure no-obligation call to explain everything to you personally and
answer all your questions.

once you get in, you'll love them. i do.


sincerely,

melanie tsai


ps.  please forward a copy of this message to all your friends on the net
who you think might be interested in it!  it is a great deal!  if you join
and then they join after you, you will earn a free 1 yr. subscription for
each new person you get to join after you join!   if you exceed 25
referrals, they let you use them to give away as gifts, for christmas,
chanukah or any other occasion.  please be kind enough to mention my name
when you join.   i will then get a free magazine for a year for referring
you.
thank you.

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from:         rebecca gaukroger <gaukroge@uiuc.edu>
subject:      time out!

        "if opinions on any of these matters had been chalked on the
              pavement, nobody would have stooped to read them."
                                        virginia woolf, 'a room of one's own'

i noticed someone joined the list a day or two ago.  i bet she's forming
a really good impression of the members.  maybe she thinks she's joined
the wrong list.....

rebecca.

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subject:      signoff

all this arguing is way to much for a college student in the middle of a
natural disaster area (bigtime flooding) to handle.  maybe i need to grow
up to understand what the point of all this arguing is.  when i reach the
age of the majority of the list maybe i'll join again.  perhaps by then
i'll be able to contribute to your arguing in the way your ordinary, mature
adult would.

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reply-to:     "january simpson, esq." <simpson@hanover.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "january simpson, esq." <simpson@hanover.edu>
subject:      re: indigo swirls - thank you bert

>i am going to work on a form letter that i will post to the list.  all that i
>ask is that you forward it back to me with your name and e-mail address.  i
>am going to print out all of the letters and send them to b&j's.  i am also
>going to contact the fan club and see if they might want to help out by
>mentioning this in their next newsletter.  i am still open to other ideas
>about flavors and names of flavors, however indigo swirls will remain as is.
>the ingredients are:
>
>vanilla (or a variant of vanilla) ice cream
>chocolate-covered bluberries
>a variety of berry swirls (blueberry, raspberry, snozzberry, etc.)

goodness, maybe it's just me, but i found this post both refreshing and
uplifting after being exposed to such negativity.  bert, just let me know
when you're ready to have people start signing your letters and i'll be the
first, that's such a faulous idea i'm really sad that it hasn't been tried
before.  i know that all of my friends here at school will be more than
willing to support your idea, i really hope it becomes a reality, that
would be too much fun.
        as for the recent, horrific san fran thread...what the hell?
what's going on?  are we really so base, so crass, that we will allow this
kind of behavior on a list that is supposed to be celebrating the music of
two women who would undoubtedly be extremely distraught and disgusted with
the whole thing?  michael, i don't know what's going on in your life, and
it certainly isn't any of my business to ask, but your recent comments have
been totally out of line and more than slightly offensive.
        as for me, i'm going to go listen to nis with my friends and talk
about how beautiful the music is and how world falls and hammer and nail
have changed our lives...something i thought we could do on this list.
peace and indigo swirls,

january simpson
"my life is more than a vision, the sweetest part is acting after making a
decision..."

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reply-to:     "orca =)" <nande737@macsrv1.uwsp.edu>
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subject:      re: time out!

>date:         sat, 10 feb 1996 13:20:51 -0600
>reply-to: rebecca gaukroger <gaukroge@uiuc.edu>
>from: rebecca gaukroger <gaukroge@uiuc.edu>
>subject:      time out!
>to: multiple recipients of list indigo-girls
>              <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
>
>        "if opinions on any of these matters had been chalked on the
>              pavement, nobody would have stooped to read them."
>                                        virginia woolf, 'a room of one's own'
>
>i noticed someone joined the list a day or two ago.  i bet she's forming
>a really good impression of the members.  maybe she thinks she's joined
>the wrong list.....
>

i just joined the list a few days ago...and you're right...some of the
impressions i'm getting aren't all that good.  but, i'm strong, and i figured
when all the garbage subsides, we'll be back talking about ig and how great they
and their music is.  and--i like your quote.  great book, awesome author =)

nicole...another newbie

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from:         rick b sayre <oracle1310@aol.com>
subject:      san fransisco fiasco (aka: flamewar of the week)

in a message dated 96-02-10 06:46:58 est, gre1440@mindspring.com (m deen)
writes:

>>i guess it is true what they say, that some people can lie in
>>shit so long that they just don't smell it anymore.
>michael, this was not called for.  i have not attacked anyone.  why are you
>attacking me?
>
>
i'm sure that ya'll can settle this without all these personal attacks!!!
i've seen more people insulting each other than on geraldo in the last few
days!!!!!!!!!!
if we must continue to discuss this topic on the list, can we try to be civil
and decent to one another, please?

rick

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from:         rick b sayre <oracle1310@aol.com>
subject:      re: indigo swirls (nsfc)

bert!!
indigo swirls is a great idea!!!! this definitely ought to happen!!!

rick

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from:         rick b sayre <oracle1310@aol.com>
subject:      re: just mho and a little igc
x-to:         h.burningham@ulst.ac.uk

in a message dated 96-02-10 04:39:14 est, h.burningham@ulst.ac.uk (helene
burningham) writes:

>but for some igc...i heard the mark knoplfer version of r&j
>yesterday...totally spooked out when it came on the radio...it was
>just so flat and meaningless...amy...you are a saint...she does that
>song so much justice.
>s

ooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i've never even heard
the original r&j!!!!!
sheesh-ka-bob!!!
:)

rick!!
*waitin' for the light to shine*

(now playing/tori amos: boys for pele)
http://home.aol.com/rbsayre

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subject:      re: ig moments-nsfc (no san fran content)
x-to:         chris.talbot@m.cc.utah.edu

chris, i love this subject line!!!.
:)
rick

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subject:      re: flamewar of the week

in a message dated 96-02-10 07:36:05 est, mrbcom@earthlink.net (michael
bunch) writes:

>at 08:35 pm 2/9/96 -0500, kristina babbled:
>
>>nope. i just don't want to see a bunch of people subsidize your
>>extravagent purchase. if i wanted the original, i'd come up with
>>$400 to purchase it, not ask others to do it for me.
>
>umm...how did this become my purchase?
>i thought it was amy's?
>did you forget your prozac today?
>or are you late for your electro-shock therapy?
>then again, maybe you're just really stupid.
>
>
stuff like this is what i'm talking about... it's seriously unneccessary.

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subject:      re: hello (nsfc)

in a message dated 96-02-10 13:01:06 est, lap@ix.netcom.com (linda perrine)
writes:

>does anyone know what's up with their next album and/or concert tour?  i
>own both of their videos, but it's not the same thing as being there!
>linda
>
>
welcome, linda!!! (glad to change subjects)
well, the girls are taking a break for a bit, but they'll be doing three
shows this year: the newport folk festival, the new orleans jazz festival
(!!!) and another one, but i'm not sure if that one's been announced yet...
for now we just have to be content with our albums and videos... and the
list!!!

rick

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subject:      re: kristina in search of a clue
x-to:         michael bunch <mrbcom@earthlink.net>
in-reply-to:  <199602101233.eaa05597@iceland.it.earthlink.net>

okay guys and gals...

here we have a problem.  name-calling on the net.  can we please let go?
if you don't care/don't approve/etc...then don't get involved.

just to let whoever said $20 is not a significant amount of money....

twenty bucks buys me two novels for college, groceries for a week, two
months worth of birth control pills, a trip to the university's health
clinic, and various other much needed necessities in my life.  i am
barely making it by.  please be compassionate of other's needs when you
post on the list.  you really hurt my feelings when you said that, even
if it wasn't directed at me.  if this continues, i will unsubscribe.  i
really don't need more in my life to bring me down...and this list has
got me on the verge of tears.

maybe i'm too sensitive, maybe i'm just a newbie, but i see no reason for
the drastic arguments and namecalling.  everyone take a deep breath and
count to ten backwards before responding to any more posts.  or put is
all aside for a few days...and lets look at the problem and then
constructively brainstorm for a solution, okay?

i love you all and hate feuding....

love,
aim

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date:         sat, 10 feb 1996 16:03:03 -0500
reply-to:     sweet jane <benorea@river.it.gvsu.edu>
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from:         sweet jane <benorea@river.it.gvsu.edu>
subject:      newport folk fest?

okay...
i know others have already posted about this, but i seemed to have lost
those saved messages.  can someone post me privately about the folk fest,
and...if anyone from michigan is going, or even thinking about it...i am
due a roadtrip, and would be willing to meet up with you.  i live in
allendale, with is twenty minutes west of grand rapids.  anyway....
i have to scoot...t.s. eliot is calling my name...

i love you all, and hope we can live peacefully...

love
aim

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date:         sat, 10 feb 1996 16:18:25 est
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subject:      new orleans jazz festival

hi folks,

does anyone know when the new orleans jazz festival is?  are the girls for sure scheduled
to play at that festival?

thanks,

joan :)

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subject:      indigo swirls

count me in on this--its a great idea! and i like the recipe too.
russ

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date:         sat, 10 feb 1996 19:32:19 est
reply-to:     lorinda wright <lw01@lehigh.edu>
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subject:      and now for something completely different

two words:  private email.

now for the nsfc  (just gotta love the new acronym. someone ought to put it
into the faq.) :) :)

ah, now where was i?
oh! yes of course. ig moments. good things the list has brought me. ways to
make ig songs really dirty...(oops! slipped a little there. *blush* sorry,
ahem, y'all can just forget i said that.)

there have been sooooo many fantastic ig moments over the years. but the ones
that are really sticking in my mind at the moment are from two occasions: the
newport road trip last summer (hey phil! hey yen! hey several other people who
aren't on this list and will therefore not know i'm saying 'hey' to them!) and
the atlanta roadtrip for new year's eve. (hey again phil!) i'd say that
getting together with people who used to be strangers to take day-long drives
for the sake of a musical event, and making great friends along the way is
_definitely_ a positive experience.

here's a couple of moments for ya:
emily saying, "rain soaked everybody! don't catch p-nuemonia." after singing
    love's recovery at newport last summer.
emily telling the crowd at lehigh that they'd _remember_ us because we were so
    wildly appreciative of them.
emily forgetting to start singing on "let it be me" at that lehigh concert.
why are these all emily moments?

hey yen! i think i should _definitely_ be allowed to drive again because i've
been _really_ good lately, and i've been saying a lot of nice things about
emily. so, assuming i'm back in control of my own car, the person (crap! who
was it? sorry, i forgot!) who said nice things about amy's version of r&j is
welcome in my car. (move over everyone! it's getting crowded in here!)
although, i should point out that there's nothing _wrong_ with mark
knoppfler's version. it's a fine song. it's just not amy's version. that's
all. :)

ok, i think i've done enough absolutely pointless babbling for today. just
felt the need to share with y'all. :)

folkisgruven,
lorindigo
(points ever so subtly down to her sig. file.)

    i           will            not        be               complacent
lorinda wright           "learn to pretend there's more than love that
lw01@lehigh.edu           matters. -e.s.
lehigh university         "i want to harbor you from the anger
bethlehem, pa             find a refuge from the wrath. -a.r.
    i           will            not         be              complacent

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from:         cindy white <cinwhite@aol.com>
subject:      re: indigo swirls - thank you bert

in a message dated 96-02-10 15:06:57 est, simpson@hanover.edu (january
simpson, esq.) writes:

>goodness, maybe it's just me, but i found this post both refreshing and
>uplifting after being exposed to such negativity.  bert, just let me know
>when you're ready to have people start signing your letters and i'll be the
>first, that's such a faulous idea i'm really sad that it hasn't been tried
>before.  i know that all of my friends here at school will be more than
>willing to support your idea, i really hope it becomes a reality, that
>would be too much fun.
>        as for the recent, horrific san fran thread...what the hell?
>what's going on?  are we really so base, so crass, that we will allow this
>kind of behavior on a list that is supposed to be celebrating the music of
>two women who would undoubtedly be extremely distraught and disgusted with
>the whole thing?  michael, i don't know what's going on in your life, and
>it certainly isn't any of my business to ask, but your recent comments have
>been totally out of line and more than slightly offensive.
>        as for me, i'm going to go listen to nis with my friends and talk
>about how beautiful the music is and how world falls and hammer and nail
>have changed our lives...something i thought we could do on this list.
>peace and indigo swirls,

way to go january!!  i agree with the ice cream and the san fransisco thing.
couldn't have said it better myself.  everyone take care and be safe --
cindy

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subject:      to ask if you would like to perform in my coffeehouse?

hello to the reader,
  my name is patrick o'neil and with the help of alot of people and god we
started
a coffeehouse style entertainment facility "the wire".  in the beginning one
of my dreams was to have the indigo girls perform here at "the wire".  well i
kind of forgot  the dream after several people told  me that it wouldn't
happen; and time has now gone by(two years) and here i am still with the same
dream.  so i am wondering if there is any way that you could perform at "the
wire".  if you are interested please e-mail us
at jahwire@aol.com or call 717-774-0678.  thank you for your time.

                                                                       hugs
and mugs,

                                                                      patrick

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subject:      re: and now for something completely different
x-to:         lw01@lehigh.edu

another off-off-subject thing... mangled lyrics. this morning in the car,
listening to 1200 curfews, i was still kind of half asleep and tongue tied
and tried to sing "joking" ....
somehow i managed to sing "you shook it off with a smurf and a toss"....
could this be a secret sort of freudian slip of some kind of subconscious
urge to choke a smurf?
;)
rick
*waitin' for the light to shine*

(now playing/iris dement: my life)
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subject:      vld in b'ham
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hey y'all.. i'm back :) i've been quiet for a bit.. but i'm not, right now :))

so here's the story..  i was hangin' talkin' to some friends when i hear
that viva la diva is going to play in birmingham.. so i think-- hey, why
not?  hey, it's only all of 2.5 hours from my home here in atlanta, and i've
got nothing else planned.. so, me and my friend got in my truck and drove to
birmingham..

we arrived in the seedy section of town, and easily found the club of the
night-- the europa..  well, when we got there, there wasn't a crowd.. and
well, as the night went on, a few people trickled in.. we did some people
watching.. nothing spectactular.. until!!! *they* walked in.. now, who is
*they*?  well.. the 4 people we were there to see..

yep-- it was cooper seay, candi josine, wayne glass and jan dykes... we knew
that our waiting had not been wasted..   we sauntered down to the "stage"
and waited for the festivities to begin, which they soon did :))

the band started with "ultra angel" which "put all the girlies in a
tangle".. and then on to crowd favorites-- under my wheels, ready steady go,
amsterdam-- i got my gun,  some new songs,  my personal favourite- smart
fools, the song everyone is familiar with-- silver bullets, the stream of
conscious "when you're ready" and then, as an ending treat-- clamp down (?)
by the clash..

i'll have to say this.. the crowd was mainly onlookers, who onlooked onto 5
of us moshing, jumping around and having a good old time.. funny thing is,
is that my friend and i have been commenting that we have more bruises after
last that show than after any other show.. hmm..

but, i think that a fun time was had by all..

the band will be playing again thursday, the 15th, somewhere in buckhead--
check the creative loafing for specifics, and then friday at the place where
little 5 points comes to a *point* - yep the point-- they are playing with
hayride.. they are headlining, i bet...

remember- check out their website-- http://monsterbit.com/vld/vld.html

see you there!

*smile*
brooke


" i'm not a follower, i'm a leader.. just insecure about it."
        -m. brooke robertshaw

" two or three things i know for sure, and one of them is that change when
it happens cracks everything open."
                - dorthy allison

"..every five months or so i look back on my life and have a good laugh.."
        -emily saliers

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subject:      original strange fires at rdr

hey y'all.. i was at rainy day records today and happened to look up on the
wall and notice something that i've been seeing for quite awhile, but for
some reason expected to be *gone* by now.. and what is that???


well *that* is *two*, yep *two* original strange fire vinyls.. yep..

i commented to perry that i was amazed that they were still there.. and
well.. no matter how much i like looking at them, they are lonely and both
need homes..

could someone(s)  out there *please* give these two records homes?  think
about it * you don't have to potty train them, feed them,  or change their
litter * *grin*

oh well.. y'all know how to get in touch w/ our dears perry, marsha and
jeff-- 1-800-636-6166  *or* rainy@mindspring.com

take care and *smile* :))
-water


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        -m. brooke robertshaw

" two or three things i know for sure, and one of them is that change when
it happens cracks everything open."
                - dorthy allison

"..every five months or so i look back on my life and have a good laugh.."
        -emily saliers

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from:         dresden5@aol.com
subject:      ig in "internet world"

shame, shame, shame on me.....i really thought i was going to bed. but i
decided i wanted to read a little and picked up this months internet world
magazine that was lying in my fathers room. im skimming the articles, not to
interested in parenting sites that they were reviewing......but now and then
i would see a site that interested me, and read about it...(they put sites
in bold letters...you can't miss em...)....and i was flipping through about
to put the mag down when "alt.music.indigo-girls" (in bold) got my attention.
it is mentioned in an article about the wrong sense of "virtual community"
that people thing they can find on the net. written by joel snyder entitled
get real
an exerpt from the article: (reprinted without permission)

virtual world falls short
people also laud the internet as a way for "virtual communities" to get
together, but i don't see it that way. i see virtual communities as no more
real than anything else called virtual: virtual memory, virtual reality,
virtual personalities. virtual means "not real." something is either a real
community or it isn't. virtual communities aren't.

a community is more than a bunch of people distributed in all 24 time zones,
sitting in their dens and pounding away on keyboards about the latest news in
alt.music.indigo-girls. that's not a community, it's a fan club. newsgroups,
mailing lists, chat rooms-call them what you will-the internet's virtual
communities are not communities in almost any sense of the word. a community
is people who have greater things in common than a fascination with a
narrowly defined topic.

------

i'm not going to type the rest....that is the only time they mention the
group. it just struck me odd, a, because it refers to us (or an off-shoot
of), and b, cause he has it all wrong. if he checked, i don't thing we have
talked about ig in a long while. so obviously our "things in common" go much
deeper than the "narrowly defined topic" of ig. i realize what he was getting
at, but i also see that any group of people who share any common interest is
a community. and also, through this "virtual community" we have made
friends/enemies and have experienced good times and bad. i wonder what
happens in "real" communities. my school is a "real" community, but the only
thing we have is common is that we have to legally go there until we are 16,
and after that we do if we want a life in the future. i for one feel as close
if not closer to the list than to the people at school. maybe i'm just real
fake, or just a "virtual" person.

food for thought
kate

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subject:      re: cd costs (nigc)

in a message dated 96-02-09 21:38:58 est, you write:

>i know because i've done it through pachyderm studios that cds with jewels
>cases but no liner notes cost as little as ninety cents per piece in
>quantitys as low as 1000 copies

but if you try to buy a single blank cd at tower, for example, you'll pay
between $16.99 - $25.00, depending on length and quality (or brand name).
the price you mentioned is closer to what record companies who own their own
studios might pay, perhaps (1,000 is an awful lot of cd's) but regular
consumer costs are far higher, because the record companies do not want you
to be able to buy a commercial cd and then make a perfect cd copy for a
friend, which cheats them out of money.  therefore, the retail price for a
blank cd is comparable to the full list price of a commercially recorded cd.
we can't really afford to (and haven't needed to) buy blanks in quantities
greater than 25-30 at a time, which allows for a very small discount, nowhere
near what you mentioned....but if you know of a way to get that price for the
smaller quantities, do let me know!

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from:         michael bunch <mrbcom@earthlink.net>
subject:      maggies lobotomy

at 12:11 am 2/11/96 +0800, magpie wrote:

>is it possible to unsubscribe a list member?

why?  because you object to the word fuck?
wouldn't that be considered censorship?
or do any other feelings but your own count.


>just feeling it should be possible
>when things get to this stage.

i would suggest you hit the "delete" key.
or, better yet, filter out your mail.  if you're
a "newbie" i'm sure there is someone who will hold
your hand through it.

but, if you really want to make yourself happy and
protect your delicate psyche from the evils of the
occasional four-letter interjection then...

why don't you just unsubscribe:

if you want to unsubscribe, do not send anything
to the above address, no one can help you anyway!

mail to:  listserv@netspace.org
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>whats the matter with the guy?

i have to deal with prudish little newbie idiots like you
who use words like "cissy" & "who-who" or "noodle" & "dingle"
instead of just saying "penis" or "vagina" what's your hang up?


this reminds me of george carlin and
the 7 dirty words you can't say on tv:

1.  shit
2.  piss
3.  fuck
4.  cunt
5.  cocksucker
6.  motherfucket
7.  tits


those were just for you maggie...

enjoy!

michael

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from:         michael bunch <mrbcom@earthlink.net>
subject:      moms sloppy seconds

at 01:08 pm 2/10/96 est, bert brain wrote:

>especially, you mike bunch.
>do you kiss your mother with
>that mouth?


no bert, just your mom.

now i know what you really mean
when you say let it grow.

all in the family, eh?

michael

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subject:      delete

at 03:44 pm 2/10/96 -0500, you wrote:

>stuff like this is what i'm talking about...
>it's seriously unneccessary.


on the right hand side of you keyboard, next to
that "insert" key.  there is a key called "delete"
if you press this key it will remove and offending
comment.

in your case, you may want to highlight it...

michael

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sorry guys, i should have just held my tongue
i dont want to provoke this man further
i wrote a reply and put it on queue, then thought better of it
and intended to delete it but my machine sent it automatically
when i logged on.

maybe if we all unsubscribe for a while and leave him to
exhaust himself?

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! ignore my last message - machine did send my reply automatically but
sensibly decided for itself it shouldnt be sent to the list, so its just
gone to michael.

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from:         shelley dianne shay <shelley@jove.acs.unt.edu>
subject:      re: maggies lobotomy...and a proposal to all listmembers
in-reply-to:  <199602110857.aaa27797@iceland.it.earthlink.net>

i'm going to slightly violate one of my personal internet moral codes by
publicly chastising an individual listmember's comments/conduct.

the main reason i am doing this is because of the listmember's repeated
public attack of a listmember.

the other reason is that in my recent post [see "mediation mama"] i
publicly stated that i believed the attacks against amy's morality
(for...god forbid...possibly making profit) were not appropriate, it made
it look like i was choosing sides...which i was not.  this type of
behavior on both sides, throwing degrading comments at strangers to...
what?... show how smart or witty you are?... or perhaps to give one's
self a sense of power by humiliating others?... it serves no purpose and
only results in everyone being unhappy.

eventually, this tirade will die down... but just like on other mailing
lists and newsnet, new rantings will continue in the future.

the listmembers need to police themselves in this area.

comments like:

> >is it possible to unsubscribe a list member?

should be addressed to the list admin., not the listmembers.

and comments like:

> why?  because you object to the word fuck?

should just be ignored.

and comments like:

> i have to deal with prudish little newbie idiots like you
> who use words like "cissy" & "who-who" or "noodle" & "dingle"
> instead of just saying "penis" or "vagina" what's your hang up?

make the poster look like a 14-year-old.

imho, such postings should be ignored.  like a dirty phone call, they
will go away if you hang up.

my proposal to the listmembers is: that we all act like adults and be nice
to one another.  if someone posts something nasty, attacking or whatever,
that we stop it there by not acknowledging it.

if someone feels that a person's comments warrant a warning or some other
disciplinary action on the part of the list-admin., that person should
forward the email to the list admin and let them make that decision
instead of doing it publicly.

ok, the great oz has spoken.

-shelley

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subject:      amy day records

at 08:16 pm 2/10/96 -0800, amelia wrote:

>your response to kritina is out of line.

and who appointed you list monitor?


>period.

menstruation was never discussed.


>for some people, $20 is a lot of money.
>maybe you are just the next mr. forbes.

no, you're confusing me with perry who conspiciously leaves
out the $300 plus prices he charges for "strange fire" when
you promote them for him.


>but attacking someone,
>esp on mental health is
>just plain dumb.

if they're mental, how do they know
they're being attacked?


michael  :-)

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date:         sun, 11 feb 1996 04:16:30 -0800
reply-to:     laurie higgins <stompbox@ix.netcom.com>
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subject:      re: ig in "internet world"
x-to:         dresden5@aol.com

....i agree with you and disagree with them, or him rather.  the
members of this ig mailing list, the readers of the ig newsgroup and
the people who gather at #indigo-girls on the the irc are more of a
community and less a fan club.  we do far more that chitty-chat about
amy and emily, as a matter of fact, we usually don't talk about them
the majority of the time.  or at least it seems that way.  on the irc
for example, you would be lucky if they were even mentioned at all,
it's more a collection of friends who met *because* they had a common
interest and for the most part, it has grown from there.  anybody who
has been reading the mailing list for any length of time will certainly
agree that alot more gets posted there that is anything but indigo
chit-chat.  i think the guy is wrong.  issues other than ig are
disscussed quite frequently, to the point even that many have had
themselves removed from the list due to the high volume of non-indigo
traffic.  i will agree that alt.fan.indigo-girls doesn't have a
tremendous amount of "community" feel to it, but maybe this guy should
do just a little bit more research before he goes around telling us
what we are not.....

....just my opinion... :p

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subject:      1996 newport dates confirmed.

just to let you know that i found out the the ben and jerry's folkfest
will be held the second weekend in august. the 10th and the 11th. i got
this information by visiting the ben & jerry's home page on the www and
e-mailing on of the people listed there.
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//pages.prodigy.com/m/g/a/mglz19a/home.htm
     *updated (but still under construction) it's new!!!!
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subject:      re: maggies lobotomy

in a message dated 96-02-11 04:00:24 est, mrbcom@earthlink.net (michael
bunch) writes:

>
>at 12:11 am 2/11/96 +0800, magpie wrote:
>
>>is it possible to unsubscribe a list member?
>
>why?  because you object to the word fuck?
>wouldn't that be considered censorship?
>or do any other feelings but your own count.
>
>

the reason that she made this comment was not because of the word fuck or
anything to do with censorship. it was made because of the insulting attacks
being made on other posters in the group. and believe it or not, even though
we may not be the ones involved, there are a lot of us who do not appreciate
these personal attacks being made by and on fellow members.

rick

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date:         sun, 11 feb 1996 09:38:03 -0500
reply-to:     lauree shampine <shampine@ll.mit.edu>
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from:         lauree shampine <shampine@ll.mit.edu>
subject:      live by the dollar, die by the buck (nigc)

i haven't been following the "dubbing for profit" debate all that closely
but...

>well good for her!  isn't that what the whole free enterprise system is
>all about, supply and demand.  and, contrary to your previous statement.
>she did pay for.  she simply sought investors to participate in her endevor.

oh, well if you're gonna bring up "the whole free enterprise system"...
you might also what to look at the benefit of collusion.  one and only
one person on the list buys a tape copy of the cd (for which they are
reimbursed) and the tape copy becomes the seed the the tree.

oh yeah...doesn't the term "investors" usually imply that you have some
share in the original...

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reply-to:     lauree shampine <shampine@ll.mit.edu>
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subject:      re: indigo swirls

>anyway, the reason that i am bringing up this silly idea again is that on
>this past wednesday, i had the opportunity to meet and talk to fred "chico"
>lager, the ex-president and ceo of ben & jerry's who wrote the book the
>inside scoop  (or something like that) about b&j's and i mentioned to him my
>idea for a new b&j's ice cream flavor, which at the time was indigo swirls
>crunch.  he thought that the concept of naming a flavor after ig was a cool
>idea.  however, he told me to lose the crunch part and just stick with indigo
>swirls part, so i am.  he even gave me a name and address to submit my idea

very cool...and the new flavor could make its debut at the newport folk
festival this year :)  let's really do this.

lauree
(who has never had a sig. before but feels inspired by other people's)

no matter what she says, lorinda will so be complacent :)

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subject:      views on a negative thread...

.....here's what you do when people loose their manners and all
anybody wants to do is bitch and insult one another....are you ready?
this is a fairly non-complex option, i exercise it all the time.  what
i do when i see a thread go bad and everybody is jumping on the bitch
bandwagon...i skip it, i see the title and then proceed to pass it up
and leave it unread then (and this is the killer)  i kill it (told you
it was a killer), having never even read it...and you know what, this
works for me, and i'm almost positive it would work for you. you see,
some people out there live to cause trouble..no matter who you are,
what you say or what you do, they wanna cause trouble and you fighting
back ain't gonna change a g*dd*mn thing.....so free yourself
people...pass it up.


.....this has been a public service announcement!  :)

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subject:      blue iguana

in light of lorindas list of answers to the question "are you gay?" i thought
i would mention that the other day i passed by a restaurant called blue
iguana.....hmmmmm.....so that would be a very gay joint...eh?

kate

becoming more and more addicted by the day

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subject:      discovered song-let's change the subject, shall we? :)

okay, why don't we just please move on...  no one is going to change
anyone else's opinion i don't think and no one is going to change anyone
else!  so.... :)

i was enjoying a lovely new york city evening at my friend sabrina's
place and we were trying to decide on a few good indigo girls songs for a
valentine's day mix she is making for her boyfriend.  one of the cd's she
had out was the soundtrack to philadelphia, which to my great surprise
has an ig track--one called "i don't wanna talk about it"  i've only
heard it once so i haven't formed an opinion on it really.  the writer is
danny whitten.  has anyone else heard this one?  or maybe everyone but me
has ;)  just wanted to let everryone know.

noi :)

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subject:      re: discovered song-let's change the subject, shall we? :)

>
>i was enjoying a lovely new york city evening at my friend sabrina's
>place and we were trying to decide on a few good indigo girls songs for a
>valentine's day mix she is making for her boyfriend.  one of the cd's she
>had out was the soundtrack to philadelphia, which to my great surprise
>has an ig track--one called "i don't wanna talk about it"  i've only
>heard it once so i haven't formed an opinion on it really.  the writer is
>danny whitten.  has anyone else heard this one?  or maybe everyone but me
>has ;)  just wanted to let everryone know.
>

i have that song on a mix tape that a friend of mine made.  i think its pretty
good.  course, when it comes to ig, i'm not much of a critic because i love
their music so much.  but i think they make it a very powerful, moving song as
always. =)  that's my 2 cents on it...

peace y'all,
nicole

cool frienship quotes (dedicated to all my friends and my bestest bud jaime)

"what is a friend?  a single soul dwelling within two bodies"--aristotle

"leaving ain't fair, you know, parting ain't just.  people got to move on,
people got to do what they must...and we're back together again.  and i'm never      gonna lose you as a friend..."--emily saliers (ig)

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subject:      "chicken man"...
in-reply-to:  <199602111644.iaa03442@ix11.ix.netcom.com>

a friend and i were wondering if there was anyone out there who could
explain what the "chicken man" song is all about...
thanks
marina


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hunger..to satiate the need..they feed you on the guilt..to keep you
humble keep you low..some man and myth they made up..a thousand years ago..
....and as you pray in your darkness..for wings to set you free..you are
bound to your silent legacy..."
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from:         "january simpson, esq." <simpson@hanover.edu>
subject:      ig moment...

since this thread started, i've really been trying to remember an ig
moment, but their music has been such a huge part of my life for the past
four or five years that i just can't narrow it down too much.  i do
remember the first time i ever heard their music...we had a quasi news
program fed into our schools (eerily like big brother), and one day they
were talking about the power of the english language.  to give an example,
they were going to use the lyrics of a song by a duo called the indigo
girls.  at this time, it was not yet nine in the morning, and my algebra ii
class had just ended, so i was obviously not feeling happy and carefree,
but they started to play ctf, and it was like a message of reassurance sent
down from above.  that weekend i went out and bought their self-titled
album, and i haven't been the same since.
also, my first ig concert :)  i was with my best friend and my first crush
*sigh*, and my mom had driven the three of us from huntington to cincinatti
(four hours), though she hated the very idea of an ig concert.  we spent
the day wandering around the zoo and then made our way to the peacock
pavillion to wait in line (open seating, make a mad dash for it).  we
waited for four hours and they finally opened the gate thing and we ran as
fast as we could and managed to get in the ninth row center.  it was
amazing.  and my crazy mom missed the whole thing because she sat on a
bench in the zoo (after the zoo was closed) reading a book, rather than
mingle with those people.  oh, if only she had known then what she does
now... :)
anyway, i'm done now, just thought i'd share.
peace, love, and white go-go boots!

january simpson
"my life is more than a vision, the sweetest part is acting after making a
decision..."

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from:         andrew stokell <rbc31@dial.pipex.com>

hi everyone!

check this -
a new product is due from viacom, an "unplugged" cd-rom which
features excerpts from the many artists featured on mtv=92s show over
the years. i stumbled accross this by accident, and enquired re.
content. i am told that short audio clips will appear from the
ig/michelle shocked gig. whether the quality (or cost!) of the
product is acceptable to us the consumer, i have no knowledge. i am
not being paid by viacom for this advertising, i just thought i=92d
point it out to y=92all!
as another net newbie, i just thought i=92d also add my two cents worth =

on the san fransisco debate,i agree with helene, with the cessation
of the ira ceasefire, there are more important matters to worry about
(at least this side of the pond!) than one person possibly ripping
others off, or people =91having a go=92 at each other on the list. please=

let=92s just calm down!! :) as someone else said, "if you don=92t like =

what=92s going on, don=92t get involved!" my personal experience so far, =

however, is that there are a lot of great people out there on the
list who=92ll kindly trade stuff by just being asked. to those of you
who=92ve done so for me, eternal thanks!


happy daze!

andrew

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from:         lisa hardaway <lhardawa@wscgate.wsc.edu>
subject:      smiles

          i'm not sure .....but i think it is safe for all of the
          happy people on the list to post again.  in fact, i think
          happy posts out number nasty ones...almost anyway.

          bert: i love the indigo swirls thing...cool.  where do i
          sign!?

          towanda the avenger

          ps. i'd write a little more, but i must go let the boyscout
          out of my water heater.

          just a little strange humor for ya'll.

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subject:      shit on the list

i am disgusted by the flames and general shit that have invaded this
list.  please take it to personal email if you can't resist and let the
rest of us be in peace.

margaret

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subject:      ig at new orleans jazz fest date

hey y'all,

thought i'd throw in some good news for a change.  according to the new
orleans jazz festival web site, ig will be playing on thursday, may 2.

the url is: http://www.yatcom.com/neworl/jfest/jfesttop.html

here's the list of performers for that day:

---------- forwarded message ----------

1996 new orleans jazz and heritage festival
heritage fair music schedule

     _________________________________________________________________

thursday, may 2

   boozoo chavis, indigo girls, eddie palmieri, chambers brothers
   renunion, dixie hummingbirds, ernie k-doe, michelle shocked, trout
   fishing in america, dewey redmon quartet, banu gibson, jessie hill,
   chris duarte, zobop of haiti, bacoulou folkloric dance company of
   haiti, tab benoit w/ faful neal, bruce daigrepont, basin brothers,
   coco robicheaux, kidd jordan-al fielder & iaq, larry mccray, mamou,
   milton batiste's magnificent 7ths, walter payton w/sharon martin,
   sonny bourg's bayou blues, versia, keith claiborne, richwell ison/kirk
   ford experience w/rahssana ison, storyville stompers brass band, the
   original camelia jazz band, don vappie, leviticus gospel choir, tony
   bazley quintet, bad oyster band, karl koenig, carlos sanchez 'amanecer
   flamenco', tony green trio, the cookie family, last straws, mas
   mamones, wallace johnson, bingmen, ed perkins, white cloud hunters
   mardi gras indians, wayne powell & eternity with praise, piney woods
   remblers, kristi guillory & reveille, gina forsyth, executive steel
   band, flavor kings, zavier university jazz lab ensemble, new orleans
   jazz professors, hammon state strawberry jammers, gregory boyd, carl
   mack, bon temps roulez sa&pc, gray hawk, ishangi family, bob folse,
   avondale community choir, philip melancon. schedule subject to change

:)
lori

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subject:      jude hunter--where are you?  (nigc, sorry)

sorry tobother everyone with this..  i'm looking for a member of the
cover me grey branch.

jude hunter, are you out there?  mail to you keeps getting returned to
me...  will you please contact me?

many thanks,
margaret

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from:         judith hunter <hunterj1@aol.com>
subject:      re: nigc: cris williamson +...

if you want any of chris's records, contact ladyslipper at the address below:

jude :)

call 1-800-634-6044 to order a catalog.   their e-mail addr is
ladyslip@nando.net

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subject:      i'm very new

hello, being a college student and finally finding interest in the computer,
i must say much of the computer "lingo" is confusing.  i'm sure many of you
have discussed the issue of the ig before their epic days!  i'm very curious
on a way to get a hold of their very early recordings!  i own all the ones
on epic, but want to find some kind of recording of their earliest stuff.
somebody out there please help me out and if you have any bit of advice
about this system and interchange let me know!
kelly

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from:         jude shabry <hey_jude@brown.edu>
subject:      admin: michael bunch

sheesh.. you take a few days off and... :)

i wanted to let everyone know that i am aware of the problem with
michael bunch.  i've received a lot of mail with complaints and
requests that he be removed from the list.

i have sent him mail to inform him of this, and request that he
correct the situation of his own accord.  i'd rather not have to end
up forcibly removing someone from the list, but if we can't find a
peaceful solution, we'll see.

i will keep everyone updated.  thanks.

   -jude, listmeister

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subject:      chickenman

someone requested an explanation of 'chickenman'.  this was posted on the
newsgroup a while back - and i grabbed it for a rainy day.  can't remember
who originally posted it - but i take no credit for its origination.

- jen hall

----
the following is amy ray's chickenman stream of conciousness transcribed
verbatim from my boot of the athens oh show 4-12-95. (amy's birthday) it
was
so cool i thought i'd share with y'all.  warning: it's long.


"i wrote this song when i was thinking about all these spare parts
you see lying in the middle of the road.  i've been obsessed with dying
ever
since i can remember.  realizing that i was existing for a short ammount of
time.. so when i decided to make traveling my way of life i was suprised.
cause when you're moving all the time you tend to run into things... alot.
you see a lot of things that other people are running into alot, which is a
very...interisting thing to see.  so this song kind of takes place-and were
going to start from georgia take this tour, and were gonna go up the
eastern
seaboard get up into canada somewhere.  and were driving this big maroon
ford
van.  and were gonna go from georgia and pass through all the southern
states
and end up somewhere in the middle of texas...texas is sort of a wierd
place,
you know? cause it's sort of the bastion of everything i've never believed
in...yeah there's these little bits of enlightenment just hanging around
for
no reason.  it's really incredible because if you open your mind up to it,
it's a really cool place. so here we are, were sitting in houston were
going
to play at this place and it's um, this bar and were real small, real
small.
and were playing at this bar that's about half the size of this stage
maybe.
and were going to sleep that night at this guy's house it's kinda like
this..brothel, sorta.  and it's getting harder and harder as this is going
on. i'm thinking ablut all these things. i was thinking anout this woman i
saw when i was running down the street in toronto and she was beat up by a
bunch of people and she was left layin' there and i walked right by
her...walked right by...walked right by.  movin'. gotta be somewhere i
gotta
get somewhere, guys. i was running, you know, i gotta time my mile.   i
can't
stop.  i can't stop. so i 'm thinking about this, thinking about this.  i
was
thinking about-  i was in the middle of the desert this one time and this
family of prarie dogs was crossing the road and i thought "aww shit" 'cause
i
couldn't slow down cause i was goin so fast.  and i just hit every single
one
of them.  i thought, "this is unbelievable!"  i mean, how could i?  the law
of probability was totally against me.  they were runnin' as fast as they
could and -just- five!! one, two three, boom!! oh god, seriuos karma
trouble.
so i'm in this car and i'm thinking about all these things. and were
driving
and were driving and were driving and it;s kinda like, you cover your eyes
when you see something that's lying in the road and you go "oh it's just a
bag- a dead bag okay, that's cool,
i can handle that."  and  you see something else and it's like a tire.
okay, no problem, so you open your eyes cause you figure everything is
going
to be this inanimate object and it's no big deal.  and then all of a sudden
you're standing in front of this dog with it's guts hanging out and you
think
"aww shit!"  and you wanna close your eyes, close your eyes.  these are the
things you think about, these are the things i think about.  and these are
the things that are obsessing, obsessing.  were counting all these things
and
putting numbers on everything.

okay, so moving on, moving on.  okay, so we go to this flea market cause
i'm
thinking at least theres one thing in the world that's gonna lift your
spirits when you have 10 dollars in your pockets and you go to a flea
market
and buy something.  i know it's material it's very material but it's true.
i
mean you can be as spiritual as anybody in the whole world and you're still
gonna feel that way, i don't care what you say.  so we go in this flea
market
and it's cool, it's cool.  and we come outta that an we go, and we see next
door and we see this big field layed out with all these tables and there's
stuff everywhere.  there's stuff all over these tables -it's like this
endless, endless tables! and i'm like, "this is amazing!  this yard sale on
the side of the highway!  i can't believe it this is so great!!" and i'm
looking through all this stuff,i'm thumbing through books, looking at the
cameras and the binoculars and the old motorcycle parts and bicycles and
hopefully the stratocasters(sp?) that are layin' in somebody's attic that
i'm
gonna buy for five dollars.  and i'm thinking about all this stuff and i'm
thinking, okay, okay.  so this man walks out of this trailer and i look
over
and i see him and i'm like (awed whisper) "wow!... look at this guy! he is
really cool looking!!" it just strikes me right in the heart.  he's got
this
really cool long hair and it's matted and tangled and it's got bugs and
dirt
and all this shit is all in his hair and he's really cool! and he's wearing
these old clothes and i'm thinking, "i am so middle class i am so middle
class i am so middle class!"  i'm looking at this guy and i'm thinking,
"how
can i relate? i can't relate! i gotta relate! i gotta relate!" cause this
is
someone i'm supposed to meet my whole life!  so, i'm gonna meet this guy
and
i'm gonna talk to him and it's gonna be really great.  and i'm thinking,
what
can i say? okay, what i'm going to say is...i'm going to buy something and
he's going to be really happy and this is really condisending, i'm thinking,
this is really arrogant, you know?  i'm gonna buy something from him and
he's
gonna appreciate me so much that he's gonna want to talk to me.  how
materialistic can you get? what an asshole i am. so, i'm thinking this- i'm
gonna do it anyway, i don't care.  so i pick up this book and say, "how
much
is this book?" and he says, "that's not for sale." i think, "oh, great." so
i
pick up something else and i hand him that and i say, "how much is this?"
and
says, "that's not for sale either." and i say,"well, what is for sale? what
can i buy?  i mean all this stuff, i mean, i really want to buy something
today, you know, burnin' a hole in my pocket." and he says, "you can't buy
anything, you're standing in my front yard." oh, great! i feel like a
complete jerk now.  i'm trespassing.  i'm rude.  i'm a white middle class
american girl.  yeah (chuckle) and i've offended this man, too.  and i'm
thinking, how can i make it up to him?  i've got these things inside my
soul
that i've never told anyone and i'm gonna tell this guy.  i'm gonna make
this
connection.  so, i'm thinking all these things that i'm gonna ask him and
tell him.  what do i want to say?  okay, so we're standing in the middle of
this field and were looking up into the sky-and did you ever think about
what's come before you, and what's coming after you?  and that's no big
deal,
that's no big deal.  what i want to say is, i present myself as this
peaceful
person all my life and what i really want to do is run down the street with
a
machine gun and shoot all these assholes that are getting in my way! and
when
i'm driving down the road and i see some guy with a bumper sticker and it
says something i don't believe in, what i really want to do-i mean i try to
be understanding-but what i really want to do is go faster and faster and
ram
into the back of his car!!!!! and do you ever think about the animals you
see
laying in the middle of the road that some jerk runs over without even
thinking about it-and their guts are hanging out! and they're howling and
they're barking and they're kicking and they're scratching, because you
were
going 85 miles an hour when you should have been going 55!!!!!!!! and you
feel bad because what you want to do is slow down...slow down. and what i
want to do is i wanna go faster! i wanna go faster!  i wanna have sex in
the
middle of nowhere!!! ( next line indecipherable due to crowd cheers)  i
want
to be the worst person i could ever be in my whole life.  and i want to be
black. i want to be red, i want to be yellow!!!!!! but i just walk away
because it's too much. i was on the road to austin..."

> chickenman:  i don't know if this is old or new news, but amy seemed to
> do a stream of consciousness explanation for "chickenman" in rochester.
> here it is, i hope you enjoy it.

"we were playing in this really wierd club in houston, named fitzgerald's.
we were playing in the small room.  there were three people there, and they
were in the band we were opening for.  that night we got to sleep in the
owner's apartment, and there were all the owner's friends, weird, drug
addicts, things, and animals and weird stuff all happening while we were
asleep.   and this is kinda the way it always happens, isn't it micheal?
(from
big fish ensamble)  and there's things that you learn when you're on the
road,
like you learn things, like you know, to close your eyes when you pass a
dead
possum because it's really gross.  and you learn that if you see a little
cat
sitting on the median you don't go chasing it because it'll probably get
hit
by a car when it's running away from you.  it's pretty depressing.  so
anyway,
we're drivin', we're drivin, we're drivin', we've been through georgia,
alabama, mississippi, louisiana, we've been up to toronto, we've seen dead
animals in th road.  it's like roadkill, and fast food, and trucks, and
weird
people, and lots of lessons to be learned.  and we're looking for things to
make us feel better.  we're looking at the moon and at the stars, and the
trees.  but mostly we're looking for... flea markets.  we do all our
shopping.
so we drive up and we see this really cool flea market and it says
'flea market' and then next to it there's a big cardboard sign that says
'chickenman'.  and i thought: this is really too good to miss.  so there's
all these tables and possesions put out on tables, and weird shit
everywhere.
and i started... goin' shopping.  and it was his front yard, and it was all
his stuff, and none of it was for sale.  he came out of the trailer, and
he's
like 'what are you doing?'  i said, 'can i buy this camera from you?'
'this
is all my stuff.'  so i said, 'oh. o.k.'  the was some sort of wisdom
imparted that day, and i'm not sure what it was, but it made me feel a lot
better when i walked away.

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hi there!

like noi, i just recently heard about the song "i don't want to talk about it", that
the girls recorded on the philadelphia soundtrack.  i'm having someone tape the song
for me.  i was very interested to learn that danny whitten wrote the song.  i believe
he is the former crazy horse guitarist that died of a drug overdose many years ago.
(neil young wrote a song about his death, although i can't recall the name of it...must
go read the liner notes from "decade")  anyway, i just thought that was kinda neat
that they recorded one of his songs.  it makes perfect sense, since they are huge neil
young fans.  just thought i'd share that.

peace,

joan :)

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i remember that new clip. it was off of a high school daily news show
called "channel one". rmember kathy kronenburger? anyway i was so excited
when i saw it. i ran around the classroom saying "that's my favorite
group.look!look!". i remmeber them showing clips of "hammer and nail" and
"prince of darkness". thanks for bringing that memory back!
ben

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subject:      re: "chicken man" "what?"

i have reposted amy's chickenman stream of consciousness several times--so
here it goes again!  i didn't write it, but i tell you who if you are just
dyin' to know.  jude :)

the following is amy ray's chickenman stream of conciousness transcribed
verbatim from my boot of the athens oh show 4-12-95. (amy's birthday)
it was so cool i thought i'd share with y'all.  warning: it's long.

        "i wrote this song when i was thinking about all these spare parts
you
see lying in the middle of the road.  i've been obsessed with dying ever
since
i can remember.  realizing that i was existing for a short ammount of time..
so when i decided to make traveling my way of life i was suprised.  cause
when
you're moving all the time you tend to run into things... alot.  you see a
lot of things that other people are running into alot, which is a
very...interisting thing to see.  so this song kind of takes place- and were
going to start from georgia take this tour, and were gonna go up the eastern
seaboard get up into canada somewhere.  and were driving this big maroon ford
van.  and were gonna go from georgia and pass through all the southern
states and end up somewhere in the middle of texas...texas is sort of a wierd
place, you know? cause it's sort of the bastion of everything i've never
believed in...yeah there's these little bits of enlightenment just hanging
around for no reason.  it's really incredible because if you open your mind
up
to it, it's a really cool place. so here we are, were sitting in houston were
going to play at this place and it's um, this bar and were real small, real
small.  and were playing at this bar that's about half the size of this stage
maybe.  and were going to sleep that night at this guy's house it's kinda
like
this..brothel, sorta.  and it's getting harder and harder as this is going
on.
i'm thinking ablut all these things. i was thinking anout this woman i saw
when
i was running down the street in toronto and she was beat up by a bunch of
people and she was left layin' there and i walked right by her...walked right
by...walked right by.  movin'. gotta be somewhere i gotta get somewhere,
guys.
i was running, you know, i gotta time my mile.   i can't stop.  i can't stop.
so i 'm thinking about this, thinking about this.  i was thinking about-  i
was
in the middle of the desert this one time and this family of prarie dogs was
crossing the road and i thought "aww shit" 'cause i couldn't slow down cause
i
was goin so fast.  and i just hit every single one of them.  i thought, "this
is unbelievable!"  i mean, how could i?  the law of probability was totally
against me.  they were runnin' as fast as they could and -just-  five!! one,
two three, boom!! oh god, seriuos karma trouble.  so i'm in this car and i'm
thinking about all these things. and were driving  and were driving and were
driving and it;s kinda like, you cover your eyes when you see something
that's
lying in the road and you go "oh it's just a bag- a dead bag okay, that's
cool,
i can handle that."  and  you see something else and it's like a tire.
okay,
no problem, so you open your eyes cause you figure everything is going to be
this inanimate object and it's no big deal.  and then all of a sudden  you're
standing in front of this dog with it's guts hanging out and you think "aww
shit!"  and you wanna close your eyes, close your eyes.  these are the things
you think about, these are the things i think about.  and these are the
things
that are obsessing, obsessing.  were counting all these things and putting
numbers on everything.  okay, so moving on, moving on.  okay, so we go to
this
flea market cause i'm thinking at least theres one thing in the world that's
gonna lift your spirits when you have 10 dollars in your pockets and you go
to
a flea market and buy something.  i know it's material it's very material but
it's true.  i mean you can be as spiritual as anybody in the whole world and
you're still gonna feel that way, i don't care what you say.  so we go in
this
flea market and it's cool, it's cool.  and we come outta that an we go, and
we
see next door and we see this big field layed out with all these tables and
there's stuff everywhere.  there's stuff all over these tables -it's like
this
endless, endless tables! and i'm like, "this is amazing!  this yard sale on
the side of the highway!  i can't believe it this is so great!!" and i'm
looking through all this stuff,i'm thumbing through books, looking at the
cameras and the binoculars and the old motorcycle parts and bicycles and
hopefully the stratocasters(sp?) that are layin' in somebody's attic that i'm
gonna buy for five dollars.  and i'm thinking about all this stuff and i'm
thinking, okay, okay.  so this man walks out of this trailer and i look over
and i see him and i'm like (awed whisper) "wow!... look at this guy! he is
really cool looking!!" it just strikes me right in the heart.  he's got this
really cool long hair and it's matted and tangled and it's got bugs and dirt
and all this shit is all in his hair and he's really cool! and he's wearing
these old clothes and i'm thinking, "i am so middle class i am so middle
class
i am so middle class!"  i'm looking at this guy and i'm thinking, "how can i
relate? i can't relate! i gotta relate! i gotta relate!" cause this is
someone
i'm supposed to meet my whole life!  so, i'm gonna meet this guy and i'm
gonna
talk to him and it's gonna be really great.  and i'm thinking, what can i
say?
okay, what i'm going to say is...i'm going to buy something and he's going to
be really happy and this is really condisending, i'm thinking, this is really
arrogant, you know?  i'm gonna buy something from him and he's gonna
appreciate
me so much that he's gonna want to talk to me.  how materialistic can you
get?
what an asshole i am. so, i'm thinking this- i'm gonna do it anyway, i don't
care.  so i pick up this book and say, "how much is this book?" and he says,
"that's not for sale." i think, "oh, great." so i pick up something else and
i
hand him that and i say, "how much is this?" and says, "that's not for sale
either." and i say,"well, what is for sale? what can i buy?  i mean all this
stuff, i mean, i really want to buy something today, you know, burnin' a hole
in my pocket." and he says, "you can't buy anything, you're standing in my
front yard." oh, great! i feel like a complete jerk now.  i'm trespassing.
i'm
rude.  i'm a white middle class american girl.  yeah (chuckle) and i've
offended this man, too.  and i'm thinking, how can i make it up to him?  i've
got these things inside my soul that i've never told anyone and i'm gonna
tell
this guy.  i'm gonna make this connection.  so, i'm thinking all these things
that i'm gonna ask him and tell him.  what do i want to say?  okay, so we're
standing in the middle of this field and were looking up into the sky-and did
you ever think about what's come before you, and what's coming after you?
and
that's no big deal, that's no big deal.  what i want to say is, i present
myself as this peaceful person all my life and what i really want to do is
run
down the street with a machine gun and shoot all these assholes that are
getting in my way! and when i'm driving down the road and i see some guy with
a
bumper sticker and it says something i don't believe in, what i really want
to
do-i mean i try to be understanding-but what i really want to do is go faster
and faster and ram into the back of his car!!!!! and do you ever think about
the animals you see laying in the middle of the road that some jerk runs over
without even thinking about it-and their guts are hanging out! and they're
howling and they're barking and they're kicking and they're scratching,
because
you were going 85 miles an hour when you should have been going 55!!!!!!!!
and
you feel bad because what you want to do is slow down...slow down.  and what
i
want to do is i wanna go faster! i wanna go faster!  i wanna have sex in the
middle of nowhere!!! ( next line indecipherable due to crowd cheers)  i want
to
be the worst person i could ever be in my whole life.  and i want to be
black.
i want to be red, i want to be yellow!!!!!! but i just walk away because it's
too much.
i was on the road to austin..."


                                      cool,eh? hope you enjoyed.
                                       sorry for any typos.  -di.
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di's food for thought...
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"i want to have sex in the middle of nowhere...and when i see someone with a
bumper sticker i don't like i just want to speed up my car and ram into them"
                                                amy ray april 12, 1995
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"i get all confused and hung up running from one falling star to the other
until i drop."  -jack kerouac (sp?)
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hi all. i am just offering, once more, a copy of in with the out crowd for
whoever wants it. if you want to trade for something you have (other than
complicated girls, the independent stuff, the b band, history of us) then email
me and we'll talk. if you don't have anything to trade, just send me $2.78
(or three bucks to make it even) to cover the tape, mailer envelope, and
78 cents postage, and i will happily copy it for you.

i would especially love to have days of wine and roses.

thanks a million. isn't trading fun, non-violent, and easy? yup

susan

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on sun, 11 feb 1996, susan marine wrote:

> hi all. i am just offering, once more, a copy of in with the out crowd for
> whoever wants it. if you want to trade for something you have (other than
> complicated girls, the independent stuff, the b band, history of us) then email
> me and we'll talk. if you don't have anything to trade, just send me $2.78
> (or three bucks to make it even) to cover the tape, mailer envelope, and
> 78 cents postage, and i will happily copy it for you.
>
> i would especially love to have days of wine and roses.
>
> thanks a million. isn't trading fun, non-violent, and easy? yup
>
> susan
>
> smarine@cc.colorado.edu
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im new on this list, and i really really really want the tape, so where
do i send the 3 dollars to???  thank you thank you thank you!!!!!

jeanette lynn

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i was listening to nashville yesterday, and i gotta tell you this is one
of my favorite ig songs ever.  i was considering moving up to seattle a
couple of years back, mostly because of total discontent with california
and the collegiate life i was about to finish.  turned out i hated
seattle after two weeks (no offense to any of you washingtonians
intended) and moved to the exact same apartment complex here in davis i
had been living in before, just downstairs from my old place.  lat chance
for a cause i thought i knew...

just a weird testimony to the song.

--mike

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wasn't "the needle and the damage done written for whitten by neil?
sounds like it might be...

--mike

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subject:      amy, emily and god

hi y'all. i have been thinking about soemthing a lot lately and hope
you all can help me out. i hear a lot of christian references and
undertones in ig songs. are amy and/or emily practicing christians? or
do they practice any kind of religion?

does anyone know?

i hope this doesn't qualify as a question taboo for this list, too
personal about a and e. if anyone could point me to articles or whatever
on the web where either/both of them talk about their spirituality, i
would love to know. i have been struggling with the "god" thing for a while,
and hope maybe i can use them as one of many sources of thought and
exploration.

thanks a million-
susan
p.s. i'm cutting off my bootleg offer tomorrow (for iwtoc) but once i
get these 36 tapes done, i'll put it up again! y'all are speedy! :)

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the below response was written to a priavet e-mail.  mr bunch this
serves as fair warning.  do that to me agtain and i will write to
your postamster on your system and tell him i am being harssed.
private e-mail i sjust that.  or do you need a dicitonary?

on sun, 11 feb 1996, michael bunch wrote:

> at 08:16 pm 2/10/96 -0800, amelia wrote:
>
> >your response to kritina is out of line.
>
> and who appointed you list monitor?
>
>
> >period.
>
> menstruation was never discussed.
>
>
> >for some people, $20 is a lot of money.
> >maybe you are just the next mr. forbes.
>
> no, you're confusing me with perry who conspiciously leaves
> out the $300 plus prices he charges for "strange fire" when
> you promote them for him.
>
>
> >but attacking someone,
> >esp on mental health is
> >just plain dumb.
>
> if they're mental, how do they know
> they're being attacked?
>
>
> michael  :-)
>
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pegasus@crl.com                /        when you're alone
                              /
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date:         sun, 11 feb 1996 17:59:59 cst
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from:         assilem <holleys@uamont.edu>
subject:      i'm too mad to think up a subject line...

this is getting way out of hand!!!! can't somebody do something about this
jerko?? i'm actually flaming somebody, i can't believe it. this has got to
stop. usually, i can read sarcasm, but i don't see any this time, i see mean
jabs at a lovely person.

just one of the girls,
mindigo

at 01:08 pm 2/10/96 est, bert brain wrote:

>especially, you mike bunch.
>do you kiss your mother with
>that mouth?


no bert, just your mom.

now i know what you really mean
when you say let it grow.

all in the family, eh?

michael

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from:         "christopher m. becker" <cmbecker@space.mit.edu>
subject:      re: amy, emily and god
x-to:         smarine@cc.colorado.edu
in-reply-to:  <0099dc26.64b09b49.62@cc.colorado.edu>; from "susan marine" at
              feb 11, 96 4:28 pm

>
> hi y'all. i have been thinking about soemthing a lot lately and hope
> you all can help me out. i hear a lot of christian references and
> undertones in ig songs. are amy and/or emily practicing christians? or
> do they practice any kind of religion?
>
> does anyone know?
>
> i hope this doesn't qualify as a question taboo for this list, too
> personal about a and e. if anyone could point me to articles or whatever
> on the web where either/both of them talk about their spirituality, i
> would love to know. i have been struggling with the "god" thing for a while,
> and hope maybe i can use them as one of many sources of thought and
> exploration.
>


nope, this one isn't taboo to me -- they talk about it frequently.
its also about music =)

emily's father is a pastor of a christian church and also teaches at
emory. she also practices.

amy majored in religios studies at emory.  i don't know what she
identifies herself.

both are on record that they have a strong element of "spirituality"
in their music which transcends any one tradition.  i hear it too and
it was one of the things that attracted me to ig -- the way they deal
with real questions of truth and spirituality in a very human way....

                hope that helps =)

                        chris

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subject:      re: ig at new orleans jazz fest date
x-to:         lori levy <llevy03@emory.edu>
in-reply-to:  <pine.sv4.3.91.960211144824.8388a-100000@larry.cc.emory.edu>

tickets went on sale today for an additional show at uno lakefront arena
on sat night may 4!!!! they are playing with joan baez and joan osborne
so call ticket master now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


i live in new orleans, so if anyone has any specific questions, email me.
no words can describe my excitement.

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subject:      re: discovered song (nsfc)

joan said:
> anyway, i just thought that was kinda neat that they >recorded one of his
songs.  it makes perfect sense, since they >are huge neil young fans.

actually if i recall this right, the people running the philidelphia
soundrack chose the song and ig. apparantly someone liked and suggested ig do
the song. i think emily (or gees...was it amy) had never even heard the song.
and the other one had heard one of the versions. there are at least three
versions of i don't wanna talk about it. again i am recalling from memory,
but i think that this is from an interview on the world cafe. tomarrow i can
check the tape for sure.

kate

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subject:      cheryl wheeler (nigc)

hey all-

i had the opportunity to see cheryl wheeler in concert on friday here in
anchorage. actually, it was a solo, acoustic gig. having never seen her
perform live, i must say that i was completely blown away. she is absolutely
incredible, not to mention funny! alaska airlines had lost her luggage
(which included her shoes) so she performed in her socks :)

anyway, here is her set list in case anyone (sherlyn) is interested. my
apologies for screwing up some of the song titles...

1. driving (?)
2. goin' home / been too long away (?)
3. potato song - (to the tune of the mexican hat dance)
4. the storm
5. time taketh away
6. is it peace or is it prozac
7. howl at the moon
8. a sing-along song (don't know if this even has a real title)
9. don't forget the guns
10.arrow
11.another storm song (great unknown?)
12.it makes good sense to me
13.fall comes to new england
14.75 septembers

if anyone wants any more details about the show, email me privately. i've
already taken up enough list space :)

-bon

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subject:      complicated girls for sale

i thought that i had sold this but the girl that bought it never sent
the money...so if you would like this ...i am selling it ..for 25 dollars
the first message i get saying that they want it then they have it...josh

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subject:      san fran tape

can someone tell me what is going on with this tape...i will pay the
25 dollars i just really would like a copy...please someone reply
to this ..thank ..hope everyone had a good weekend...josh

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subject:      nigc- kristen hall concert

i just had a quick question for anyone out there who can help me with
this. someone posted last week some time i think that kristen hall would
be playing at eddie's attic in atlanta feb 14. i looked up in the
creative loafing and she's not listed as playing. is she playing with the
erlies (sp?) or not at all? somewhere else? thanks for your time. private
emails ok.
pam :)

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subject:      re: amy, emily and god
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i remember hearing that one of them is a born-again christian, but can't for
the life of me remember which one it was!! :)

rick
*waitin' for the light to shine*
(now playing/ nothing?? -of course not!! pinky and the brain is on!!!)

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hi there.
   yeah, emily goes to my church (i love saying that).  i believe she
identifies as methodist, but the church is non-denominational
protestant.  her dad, don, is really cool; he's the organist and choirmaster
guy (did someone already say that?) and he even has some things he wrote
in the methodist hymnal.
   i know amy was methodist at some point, but i don't know what she
considers herself now.  they were featured in some methodist magazine
when i was 12 called "youth!" i believe.
   hope that helps.  oh, and i think a bunch of amy's relatives were
street preachers, too, or something (sorry for the vagueness...).
   -julie

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on sun, 11 feb 1996, susan marine wrote:

> hi y'all. i have been thinking about soemthing a lot lately and hope
> you all can help me out. i hear a lot of christian references and
> undertones in ig songs. are amy and/or emily practicing christians? or
> do they practice any kind of religion?
>
> does anyone know?
>
> i hope this doesn't qualify as a question taboo for this list, too
> personal about a and e. if anyone could point me to articles or whatever
> on the web where either/both of them talk about their spirituality, i
> would love to know. i have been struggling with the "god" thing for a while,
> and hope maybe i can use them as one of many sources of thought and
> exploration.
>
> thanks a million-
> susan
> p.s. i'm cutting off my bootleg offer tomorrow (for iwtoc) but once i
> get these 36 tapes done, i'll put it up again! y'all are speedy! :)
>
> smarine@cc.colorado.edu
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subject:      pers:keith isbell (nigc)

sorry about the bandwith-
hey keith , i lost your e- mail add. your cd went out today, i just
wanted to tell you something- hope to hear from you soon! love,katie
><}}}">

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subject:      re[2]: ooooohhh...

          one quick question.  this may sound stupid...but i never
          have understood the first lyrics to mystery.  i have tried
          and tried, but there must be some sort of metal block or
          something!  i even look in the so liner notes and they're
          not in there.  help
          desperately seeking clarification,
          rich

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subject:      happy birthday!!!  (february 11, 1996)
x-cc:         walker@coral.bucknell.edu

happy birthday mandy!!!  i saw a whale today near monterey, california!!  the
weather was perfect and i hope that your birthday was too!!  "every where i
turn, all the beauty just keeps shaking me..."  :)

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subject:      directions (nigc)

hey there all.... just have a need for directions to the hard rock cafe
in dc....  there is an ascap/performing songwriter showcase there on
valentine's day and i've apparently snagged a ride, but neither of us
really know where to head once we get near dc...  thanks to any who could
help!  phil

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          brooke-
               how is it that everyone has these cool experiences but
          me?  wow!  cool!

          towanda
          "dreams of immortality"

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subject:      discovered song/neil young connection

to mike and others:

i think both "the needle and the damage done," and "tonight's the night" were written
by neil young in reponse to danny whitten's death from a drug overdose.  in the
"decade" liner notes for "the needle...," young says "i am not a preacher, but drugs
killed a lot of great men."  in the notes section at the end of the cd insert, it is
noted that "tonight's the night" is "...the artist's scathing look at the drug culture that
had claimed friend danny whitten..."  in the liner notes for that song, young says "i
think this is one of my strongest and longest lasting albums [the album of the same name].
it covers my obsession with the ups and downs of the drug culture.  coincidentally, it
was my least commercially successful record ever made."

i can't wait to hear "i don't want to talk about it."  i should be getting my tape
within a few days.

peace,

joan :)

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subject:      hello from vancouver b.c.!

        i was too afraid to post anything for a while, there seemed to be an
intensely personal thing going on that i didn't really want to know about.
but the smoke has cleared and there seem to be happy people emerging, so i
thought i'd come out to play.
        i first was enchanted by ig about two years ago.  my local library
offers free cd rentals, and everytime i go there i have made it a rule to
borrow a disc by an artist i'd never heard of before.  broadening my
horizons, i suppose.
        the cover stood out, and i was immediately curious to hear the music
that the two women would make.  strange, being half-painted like that...
what did it mean?  (you should know the disc i found!)
        you know it's good stuff when it gets stuck in your mind.  after i
returned the disc to the library a week later,  i found i was haunted by the
music.  i bought the disc soon afterwards and all the other ig i could lay
my hands on. (which, sadly, in canada (vancouver, bc)  is not all that much.
the earlier independants are frighteningly tricky to obtain.  and ideas?)
the love affair began...
        you know the rest, you've all lived the passion.  otherwise, why are
you here?
        just bought a computer a month ago and was ecstatic to find this
resource.  (although reading and/or deleting 50+ email messages daily is a
tad tedious...)
        oh well.  glad to be here, look forward to meeting all the happy
people out there.

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subject:      no time but lost of energy (igc)

hi y'all.

i don't know what has inspired me to write this but here goes. i am
totally swamped right now with work, etc. but i want to do
soemthing *fun* so here goes.

i am thinking of putting together a scrap book with a page in it from
everyone on this list...like a mailing list memento. all it would require
is that we could agree on a paper type and size so it would be generally
uniform, then y'all could mail me your page, and i would put it together
into a leather bound book (i make them) and

send it to amy and emily as a gift from us

what do you think? i am sure they get all kinds of love stuff from fans,
but this would be special and i think they would get a kick out of it.

thoughts?

susan

smarine@cc.colorado.edu

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you wrote:
>
>at 04:16 am 2/11/96 -0800, you wrote:
>>on the irc
>>for example, you would be lucky if they were even mentioned at all,
>>it's more a collection of friends who met *because* they had a common
>>interest and for the most part, it has grown from there.
>
>
>just out of curiosity, who are you on irc?
>
>
>jack
>(jackm or irc)

..............on the irc i am hellodali, or just dali, which is the
version i prefer but there are other dali's out there... :)

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subject:      nigc-ignore this if you are in a hurry-in need of advice

          the last post about a&e's religious references only
          reminded me of my own little dilema.  normally i don't like
          to put labels on myself...i think it is limiting.  but, i
          am in love with another woman who is very christian.  june
          1, 1994 i declared my christianity.  i believe in the
          concept, but am having problems with the "little" details.
          i want to be both christian and a lesbian.  is this
          possible or am i joining two mutually exclusive words?  is
          there anyone else out there like this or am i just insane?
          towanda

          "thought i knew my mind like the back of my hand..."
                                   emily saliers

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at 03:17 pm 2/11/96 -0800, you wrote:

>the below response was written to a priavet e-mail.  mr bunch this
>serves as fair warning.  do that to me agtain and i will write to
>your postamster on your system and tell him i am being harssed.
>private e-mail i sjust that.  or do you need a dicitonary?


judging from your atrocious spelling your the one in desperate
need of a dictionary, eh?

and i spoke to my postmaster about your "harassment" and when she
stopped laughing she said you are the one who shoud be concerned over
making false accusations.  i've never even spoken to you let alone
harrassed you.

you, on the other hand are making constant posts for rdr having to do with
the selling of illegal "import" bootlegs.  who exactly do you think the fbi
would be most interested in?

if your slate is clean, than cast the first stone.  otherwise just get off
your little soap box missy and grow up


michael

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it is gone ...sorry ..josh

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from:         lisa hardaway <lhardawa@wscgate.wsc.edu>
subject:      re: no time but lost of energy (igc)
x-to:         susan marine <smarine@cc.colorado.edu>

          susan-
          great idea.  i'm in.
          towanda

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x-to:         smarine@cc.colorado.edu

me too! my page will be all the way from the philippines...

anna

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subject:      dear god

i never make these sort posts because i'm usually too laid back to care
but enough is enough. i think we should give micheal another chance but
if i wanted to read some of the things he is posting i'd join the "public
enemy" list or something. i really didn't mind the sf fighting but once it
goes into name calling and mother jokes i think it's time to reconsider
your lifes' objectives. i'm not condeming anyone i just want people to
realize that we shouldn't just have respect for each other as ig fans but
also as human beings and we all deserve respect.
o.k. time to get off my soap box.
talk to ya soon,
ben

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subject:      re: no time but lost of energy (igc)
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susan!! i think this is a wonderful idea!!
i'm also on a christian bale mailing list (very small one, but wonderful) and
we put a scrap book together for him for christmas (or christianmas.) ...
although i don't think it's been sent out yet, but.... :)
this is a great idea!!
count me in!!
rick
*waitin' for the light to shine*

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subject:      re: dear god

hey, when i saw this subject line i thought it was from my sarah mclachlan
mailing list!!!
that's sorta cool! :)

rick
(who actually hasn't yet heard sarah's version of "dear god")

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subject:      re: dear god
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thank you, ben.  if you wouldn't have stated that i would have!

amy

on sun, 11 feb 1996 verdi@imap2.asu.edu wrote:

> i never make these sort posts because i'm usually too laid back to care
> but enough is enough. i think we should give micheal another chance but
> if i wanted to read some of the things he is posting i'd join the "public
> enemy" list or something. i really didn't mind the sf fighting but once it
> goes into name calling and mother jokes i think it's time to reconsider
> your lifes' objectives. i'm not condeming anyone i just want people to
> realize that we shouldn't just have respect for each other as ig fans but
> also as human beings and we all deserve respect.
> o.k. time to get off my soap box.
> talk to ya soon,
> ben
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subject:      who needs a dictionary?

       i know i shouldn't respond to this but i just can't stop myself.

    michael bunch wrote:

"judging from your atrocious spelling your the one in desperate need of a
dictionary, eh?"

um, mr. bunch, that should be "you're", not your.  <g>

                           dave ridder

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                aaaahhhhhhhhh....for the love of...anything....!

                        stop!

ok, i feel better now...

on sun, 11 feb 1996, . thanks. wrote:

>        i know i shouldn't respond to this but i just can't stop myself.
>
>     michael bunch wrote:
>
> "judging from your atrocious spelling your the one in desperate need of a
> dictionary, eh?"
>
> um, mr. bunch, that should be "you're", not your.  <g>
>
>                            dave ridder
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subject:      fan tours across america is back

with the announcement of an indigo girls concert date being posted, i have
decided to put the fan tour machinery back into action.  for those of you who
are not familiar with the term, i will briefly explain.  during the summer of
1994, i organized a fan tour where myself and 47 other insane ig fans
traveled up the east coast in a bus and saw 6 ig shows over seven days in va,
philly, nj, and nyc.  a great time was had by all, and i have been looking
for the opportunity to do something similar again.  i think the opportunity
has arisen with the upcoming shows in new orleans, atlanta, and newport.

these shows will actually be cheaper and easier, because there is only one
site and there will be no need for a bus, except to possibly transport people
from the hotel we will be staying at to the site of the concert and back.
thus, the cost will probably consist of only the ticket and hotel
accomodations, which shouldn't be too much, because i pack 4 people into a
room, lowering the costs even more.  it is also possible that if there are
enough people doing this, that i can get discounted rates on airfares through
a travel agent if everybody can fly on the same airline.  nothing is definite
at this point, but i would like to get an idea of how many people would be
interested in participating in something like this.

the cost for 1 ticket (2 tickets for newport) and 2 nights hotel (3 nights
for newport) should be under $100.  this does not include airfare.  i will
post an update as soon as i have additional info.  since there will be no
bus, the capacity for something like this is unlimited, depending on the
availability of tickets and hotel rooms.  if you are interested and want more
info, let me know so i have an idea of how many people are interested when i
am talking to people about tickets and hotels.  rsvp asap so i get this thing
going quickly.   talk to y'all soon.

let it grow

bert

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subject:      m bunch

i think mr. bunch is an agent provacateur--and should be del  dealt with
accordingly.

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subject:      re: re[2]: ooooohhh...

in a message dated 96-02-11 21:14:59 est, rsimpson@iusmail.ius.indiana.edu
(rsimpson) writes:

>one quick question.  this may sound stupid...but i never
>          have understood the first lyrics to mystery.

"handed down and made by hand"   :)

            danna

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subject:      sm list

does anyone out there know of any sarah mclachlan mailing lists?

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subject:      re: fan tours across america is back

>with the announcement of an indigo girls concert date being posted, i have
>decided to put the fan tour machinery back into action.  for those of you who
>are not familiar with the term, i will briefly explain.  during the summer of
>1994, i organized a fan tour where myself and 47 other insane ig fans
>traveled up the east coast in a bus and saw 6 ig shows over seven days in va,
>philly, nj, and nyc.  a great time was had by all, and i have been looking
>for the opportunity to do something similar again.  i think the opportunity
>has arisen with the upcoming shows in new orleans, atlanta, and newport.


just out of curiosity, when and where is the upcoming show in atlanta?

in need of a road trip,
nicole

cool frienship quotes (dedicated to all my friends and my bestest bud jaime)

"what is a friend?  a single soul dwelling within two bodies"--aristotle

"leaving ain't fair, you know, parting ain't just.  people got to move on,
people got to do what they must...and we're back together again.  and i'm never      gonna lose you as a friend..."--emily saliers (ig)

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okay...somebody kick this michael guy from the list eh? he's contaminating
my screen.
                                towanda(irc)
                                kacy n. belew

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reply-to:     michael bunch <mrbcom@earthlink.net>
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subject:      admin stuff & other things
x-to:         jude shabry <hey_jude@brown.edu>

at 03:31 pm 2/11/96 -0500, jude wrote:

>hi there...

hi jude...thanks again for taking over the list,
you've been doing a great job.

>i am the indigo-girls list owner/administrator.

and has it been as much fun as you thought it would be?  ;-)

>in the past couple of days i have received an inordinate
>amount of mail asking for you to be removed from the list.

i'm sure your email has been overflowing and your
eyes must be bloodshot by now!  i will try my best
to control my rather volatile tongue...but i may
slip occasionally.

i'm sorry for any trouble i may have caused you.  but i
felt really bad for amy who really thought she was doing
something good for the list.  it was going to be her first
contribution and she seemed really excited about it.

and what did she get in return...ridicule and humiliation
from complete strangers who she thought were here to be her
friends.  how proud everyone on the list must feel, eh?

but, i am not sorry for any responses i have made to some
of the people on the list either directly or indirectly.
some of those listmembers are jerks and assholes.  their
behaviour towards amy only proved it.

of course, no one complained when we organized that "ig" video
compilation a couple years ago or the "jcs" video tree.  and
lets not forget about the "cover me grey" project with margaret.
then we were just the greatest thing since sliced bread.
now i'm not even counting the "blue food", "tuesday's children",
"the dugout", or "purple parrot" tapes we've sent throughout the years.

everything seems to be okay until someone says or does something
that a select few or newbies feel offended by or feel the need to
complain about.

>this has never happened before

but, i'm sure it won't be the last time.


>by now you probably realize how much of the list feels about
>you, and perhaps because of that it's not a group of folks you
>even want to be around anymore.

oh please, don't let them flatter themselves.  there were
approximately 12 or so whiners who complained and i could
give two shits what they think because they have shown their
true colors over their treatement of amy.

the people i care about on the list are the "old-timers".  we
are constantly ammused by the high school antics and cry-baby
pouting that goes on over nothing.  you all supply us with a
much needed daily chuckle that we have grown quite fond of.

i faxed some of the more ammusing posts over to atlanta.
they deserve a good laugh over some of that inane drivel
which we loosley call the, "indigo girls mailing list"

we were here long before you knew this list existed
and we will be here long after you've gone...

michael

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reply-to:     "a. nadyne hagon" <ahagon@st6000.sct.edu>
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from:         "a. nadyne hagon" <ahagon@st6000.sct.edu>
organization: southern college of technology
subject:      indigo moments . . .

my *real* ig moment, when someone just kinda touched me and said
"hello in there" was with my best friend.  she's been very confused
lately, trying to figure out for herself how to define herself in
terms of sexuality . . . i had just popped in 1200 curfews as the
phone rang.  conversation went on . . . lagging sometimes as it
does between friends who know you don't have to fill up every
silence . . . we were talking about her mom's reaction versus her
dad's {her mom is *very* homophobic, her dad told her that he'd
love her no matter what}, and thin line came on.  i noticed that i
was hearing it in both ears . . . she had put the album on just
before she called me . . . heard the song at the same time.  i had
never listened that closely before {i liked the song, but it had
never caught my attention like that}.

anyway.  we both sat there and just listened.  "there's a thin line
between pleasing yourself and pleasing somebody else..."  there's
so much truth in that.  she's coming to the realisation that she is
what she is, and no amount of denial etc can or will change that.
it's a long road, and i get the feeling i'm going to be on the
receiving end of many more such conversations {hopefully they won't
require the 4 hours this last one did}.

she has to learn that she has to live her life for *herself*, not
someone else, even when that person is her mother {who she is very
close to}.  a hard-to-learn lesson . . .

but, that's enough of my ramblings . . . thanks for listening. :)

nadyne.

ps: i like indigo swirls, but wouldn't chocolate-covered blueberrys
    be awfully hard and cold to bite into?  maybe just bits of
    chocolate instead?

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from:         matt gilarde <mattg@bedford.progress.com>
subject:      re: live in san francisco
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michael reynolds had this to say:

> > let's not forget about the fact that selling copies of the tape would
> > be a federal crime.  for that matter, *giving* away copies is a crime.
>
> okay mr. holier-than-thou, do you own any bootlegs? of any band? do you
have
> any idea that there are *no* federal criminal policies in the us to own a
> tape or treade a live tape as long as it is not for profit...

it *is* illegal to sell or give away copies of copyrighted works if you
are not the owner of the copyright.  the live in san francisco tape is a
copyrighted work.  i'll assume you are not going to school to study law,
mr. reynolds.

no, i do not own any bootlegs.  of any band.  not because of a
"holier-than-thou" attitude, but because i just have no interest in them.
i don't care if people want to trade audience-recorded bottlegs.  live
in san francisco is not an audience-recorded bootleg.  it is a recording
covered by the us copyright laws.  i was just pointing out that selling
or giving away copies would be a violation of federal law.  i was
making no moral judgements.


matt

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from:         matt gilarde <mattg@bedford.progress.com>
subject:      re: value of collectables
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in-reply-to:  michael bunch <mrbcom@earthlink.net> "value of collectables" (feb
              9,  5:52pm)

michael bunch wrongly attributed the following comment to me:

> at 05:32 pm 2/9/96 -0500, matt wrote:
>
> >no tape is worth 400 bucks!!!!
>

[michael's comment:]
> oh matt...you're so right:

i did not say that.  i believe mike reynolds said it.  i have never
said that the tape is not worth $400.  i'll buy it myself if amy
will tell me which store is selling it.

matt

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subject:      it's hard typing inthe dak

well, i am sitting here inmy friend's dorm room tryingmy best to figure
out where the right keys are....
earlier i was looking through my senior memories book....*sighs*
i really miss all the friends i had in high school.  i keep in touch
with many of them, but i miss the trips to the section of lockers held
by myself, terry, terry's girlfriend, amanda, sommer, treva, matt, and kim
i remember the egg mcschool's and the 32 oz. cup of coffee that we all used
to wake up with....
i remember the hair pulling, clothes trading, shoe swapping, and sticker
wars....
i remember all of us trying to see who had the coolest graffiti....
i remember the tears and the much needed hugs i received when i finally
found out just 24 hours prior to walking across that stage that i was
actually going to graduate....the senior picnic where everyone felt the
wrath of my super soaker and project graduation where we partied and gambled,
napped, ate, and cried over the slide-show and all the memories we had made.
these days will never pass again....cherish them like no other thing in
this world.....
one of the couples in my circle of friends is getting married on valentine's
day.....and so begins a journey for all of us....of life, college, marriages
children, lovers, jobs....*sighs* i'll never forget those days....
and i can't wait until the reunion :)
i'll end this note with a quote from an ig song that i dedicated to them..
(just the lines)
"you said good friends are hard to come by...i laughes and bought you abeer
"you said good friends are hard to come by...i laughed and bought you a eer
beer it's too cornyto cry..."
       -a.ray "joking"
thanks for listeningrica
sal-ray

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subject:      re: amy's little hissy fit

michael bunch wrote:
>judging from your atrocious spelling your the one in desperate
>need of a dictionary, eh?

um, i do believe you mean "you're."  your sentence makes no sense as is.
if you're going to shoot down other people, you'd better be bullet-proof.
--piep.

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subject:      mike bunch (nigc)

>oh please, don't let them flatter themselves.  there were
>approximately 12 or so whiners who complained and i could
>give two shits what they think because they have shown their
>true colors over their treatement of amy.

mike, you are delusional.  i would venture to say that most
people on this list, including an "old-timer" like myself,
think you are a total jerk, but are not publicly flaming
you because it is quite clear that you are experiencing
a psychic break.

>the people i care about on the list are the "old-timers".  we
>are constantly ammused by the high school antics and cry-baby
>pouting that goes on over nothing.  you all supply us with a
>much needed daily chuckle that we have grown quite fond of.

amy p. has been on the list for several years and so have i;
i believe that would qualify us as "old-timers"...not that it
matters...but suffice it to say, we are not "ammused" by your
acting out on the list...or by "we" do you mean you and your
multiple personalities?

if jude won't kick this guy off the list, maybe we should all
try to take a more constructive attitude about the whole thing.
are there any psych majors out there who could perhaps us
mike as a case study?

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reply-to:     nigel atkinson <n.p.atkinson@tees.ac.uk>
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organization: science & tech univ teesside
subject:      re: discovered song (nsfc)

sun, 11 feb 1996  joan morrison wrote:
like noi, i just recently heard about the song "i don't want to talk about it", that
the girls recorded on the philadelphia soundtrack.  i'm having someone tape the song
for me.  i was very interested to learn that danny whitten wrote the song.  i believe
he is the former crazy horse guitarist that died of a drug overdose many years ago.
(neil young wrote a song about his death, although i can't recall the name of it...must
go read the liner notes from "decade")  anyway, i just thought that was kinda neat
that they recorded one of his songs.  it makes perfect sense, since they are huge neil
young fans.  just thought i'd share that.

the neil young song you are thinking about is probably "the needle
and the damage done". another song "tonight's the night" was also
about the death of whitten and the band's roadie bruce berry. the
album of the same title was recorded under the cloud of the two
drug-related deaths and is a remarkable document - assuming you can
cope with the fact that most of the band were clearly "drunk as
skunks" during the recording!
regards

nigel atkinson, chem & bio, university of teesside, england
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date:         mon, 12 feb 1996 07:03:45 -0800
reply-to:     "amy j. putnam" <pegasus@crl.com>
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from:         "amy j. putnam" <pegasus@crl.com>
subject:      a psa from rdr

perry at rdr wants me to let you folks lucky enough to be in/near
atlanta know about a show ...

tomorrow night, tuesday the 13th, don conoscenti and kristian bush
will perform at eddie's attic, 9 pm.  perry says they have been working
together a lot lately, so there will bea lot of new material, some
duets, and some just great music all around.

have fun!

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reply-to:     curtis lord <x94pxh@juliet.stfx.ca>
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at the risk of being put on a lot of peoples  s@#$ list i just have this
to say. in refrence to the live in sf string!

it all comes down to morals,
artists work to write, record and produce these albums and songs that
people are selling on the black market.
yes i'm guilty of owning some bootlegs (not many but that's not the point)

i'm not calling anyone immoral but just remember that most of you don't
go to work for your boss and not expect a paycheck.
i have friends that are recording artists and i feel for them when
someone makes a bunch of copies and sells them..... it makes it harder
and harder for musicians to keep recording.... (thus the fact that a lot
of artists are rich (the commercial ones) and some are poor (the real
artists who understand the music and are able to write a story with only
notes not words).

just think what the girls are thinking about all of this talk of
bootlegging ect ect..... or any artist for that matter....

any way i hope that i haven't got anyones boxers in a knot... and i hope
that i havn't made it to the s@#$ list!

thanks for listening y'all
curtis lord
x94pxh@juliet.stfx.ca

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subject:      discovered song...

on mon, 12 feb 1996 14:57:30 +0000 (gm, nigel atkinson wrote:

>sun, 11 feb 1996  joan morrison wrote:
>like noi, i just recently heard about the song "i don't want to talk about it", that
>the girls recorded on the philadelphia soundtrack.


when the song first came out i was crazy for it.  i'm a rod stewart fan and
love his version of the song.  when the ig recorded it i was delighted to
say the least!  it was pretty popular on the radio here in mn at the time
the movie came out and i had 4 co-workers do an acapella version of it at a
talent contest.  very cool song and they make it even better!  there is a
cd single version of it out there (i found one at a used record store) so
keep your eyes open for it.

lisa
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at 06:18 am 2/12/96 est,   matt  wrote:

>>>michael bunch wrongly attributed the following comment to me:\

>> >no tape is worth 400 bucks!!!!

>>>i did not say that.  i believe mike reynolds said it


i stand corrected matt.....michael.

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subject:      new orleans jazz fest may 4 show

hi folks!

well, i got tickets to the may 4th show with the indigos, joan osborne and joan baez!
the tickets are $25, $30, and $35.  whichever tickets you buy, be prepared to pay $6.00
in convenience/handling fees. ouch!  anyway, when i called, which was around 9:20 cst,
they still had $35 tickets.  the show is at 9:00 p.m.  the new orleans ticketmaster's
phone number is (504) 522-5555.  i couldn't get ahold of an 800 number for them (believe
me i tried, cause i live in nashville).  see y'all there!

peace,

joan :)

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in-reply-to:  <199602120916.baa03135@iceland.it.earthlink.net>; from "michael
              bunch" at feb 12, 96 1:16 am

> >by now you probably realize how much of the list feels about
> >you, and perhaps because of that it's not a group of folks you
> >even want to be around anymore.
>
> oh please, don't let them flatter themselves.  there were
> approximately 12 or so whiners who complained and i could
> give two shits what they think because they have shown their
> true colors over their treatement of amy.
>
> the people i care about on the list are the "old-timers".  we
> are constantly ammused by the high school antics and cry-baby
> pouting that goes on over nothing.  you all supply us with a
> much needed daily chuckle that we have grown quite fond of.

michael, with all due respect, you are aren't following up what you
say with your actions.  one of the people you have been flaming the
hardest (amy p.) may very well be the oldest of the old-timers.

in addition you have been suckered by a selection effect.  most of the
people who've been around know that when someone is making themselves
look silly, you don't stop them.  if you try, they get indignant to
the pleas and never realize how pointless the whole thing is.  new
folks on the other hand are more likely to believe that they can
change these mannerisms with reason, so they speak up.  don't mistake
this silence as condoning personal attacks.  if you have points to
make about the sf tape, make them--but leave the individuals out of
it.

as for the sf release, i'm sure you realize the difference between
getting a tape of blue food for cost of a blank and postage versus
subsidizing the purchase of the original with the potential of a not
insignificant profit, 20 people (a 2% response rate for the list)
covers it.  when the suggestion that all proceeds over cost would be
donated to native american groups was made it was met with a rather
cool reception.  we haven't even begun to talk about the disposition
of the original which may or may not truely be owned by a consortium
of 20+.

now i am not trying to say that amy was out to screw over the list.  i
think her motivation was good--provide us with a resource we did not
previously have.  personally if she were to take a "finders fee" of
keeping the original that would be fine with me were i an "investor,"
but i won't pay $20 for a tape.  i would think that any monies
received over and above costs should go to charity in the spirit that
one should not make a profit out of booting.

this whole name calling thing started when m deen pointed out the
problem with the disposition of the original-- a real problem that
should be addressed.  amy took it as an attack on her and fired back
very hard.  four days later here we are bitching and moaning.  let's
cut it out ok?  it started with a misunderstanding, recognize it and
move on....

                        -- chris (a "mid-timer")

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from:         "karen a. vittek" <kvittek@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
subject:      no need for anger with intimate strangers?

just something to think about, y'all...in a way this list makes us all
intimate strangers.  i realize we're all going stir crazy from not have the
igs around for a few months, but let's not take it out on each other or
them, please.

on a brighter note, a couple of questions/comments:

i just got the vld greatest hits 1 cd and was hoping i could get some new
vld boots since i didn't really recognize half the songs on it!  i have the
urban nirvana tape and the writer's night with amy ray tape, but i am
looking for more recent stuff (hey, carrie b in eugene, didn't you just say
you'd gotten something?  anyway...).  i have ig and me and random others to
trade for it, or blanks and sase, as always.

midterms are over so i should get the rest of my trades wrapped up
shortly...thanks again, y'all, for your patience.

does anyone know the chords for "river", the joni mitchell tune that emily
covers on 1200 curf?  how about 1/2 moon cafe or the untitled song/basement
tune?

does anyone know if they will let you take guitars as carry-on items on
airplanes?  i need to bring my new guitar back from march break...

thanks

peace,
karen (k)


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and so for you i came this far across the tracks
ten miles above the limit and with no seatbelt
and i'd do it again
for tonight i went running through the screen doors of discretion
for i woke up from a nightmare that i could not stand to see
you were a-wandering out on the hills of iowa
and you were not thinking of me...


"iowa (traveling iii) by dar williams

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subject:      tab or chords please????? help!
in-reply-to:  <pine.sun.3.91.960212070120.26930c-100000@crl.crl.com>

i'm trying to learn guitar and am wondering if anyone has the tab or the
chords to midnight oils tune - tell me the truth
i'm looking for the version that is played acoustically on the \
greenpeace album. but even the electric version will give me somethiong
to work from!
help help help!!!!


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subject:      ig tickets in no

        first, thanks to theresa e and all who assisted in getting me
reconnected to the list. thought i was getting a little antsy, and it turned
out to be list withdrawals; i didn't receive the list for a few days.  whew.
        second, thanks to the poster (i forgot the name, sorry) who gave the
dates for the indigo girls no gig in may.  i got tickets in the 18th row
main floor!  i'm so excited i broke my lurker status to tell y'all about it.
(and - i'm from texas and really do say y'all)
        oh.  and for those of you who missed it - its may 4, 1996 at the nat
kiefer uno lakefront arena in new orleans at 9pm.  ticketmasters has the info.
        back to lurkdom, looking forward to may.
almost truly yours,

karen

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subject:      re: live in san francisco-part 2

"christopher m. becker" <cmbecker@space.mit.edu> wrote:

>personally if she were to take a "finders fee" of
>keeping the original that would be fine with me were i an "investor,"
>but i won't pay $20 for a tape.  i would think that any monies
>received over and above costs should go to charity in the spirit that
>one should not make a profit out of booting.


well, the following note was posted a couple of days ago, but with all of
the flame warring going on, i think it got lost in the shuffle.  it still
seems like the best idea to me.  one possible alteration might be that if
more are sold than are needed to pay for the original and cover the small
losses that nicole was expecting to take, we choose a charity to send the
rest of it too.


jack


>date:         fri, 9 feb 1996 14:05:35 +2000
>reply-to: "orca =)" <nande737@macsrv1.uwsp.edu>
>sender: indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
>from: "orca =)" <nande737@macsrv1.uwsp.edu>
>subject:      re: live in san francisco-part 2
>to: multiple recipients of list indigo-girls
>              <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
>
>>yes, we have cd-copying capabilities, and since this "live in san francisco"
>>is a boot to begin with, i wouldn't have a problem with making cd copies for
>>the list. (actually i believe it was a one-time promo created specifically
>>for distribution at one industry convention, if it's the one i'm thinking of,
>>which is why it's so rare.)  here are my ideas:
>
>>2)second scenario:  if amy were to purchase the disc and loan it to us for
>>copying, we would need to charge $30, $10 of which would go to amy for every
>>disc.  this would mean we would get $20 each, and be taking a slight loss,
>>but i guess i would consider that to be the price we paid for owning a
>>perfect cd copy, without the total $400 investment.  if $10 per copy doesn't
>>cover the price amy paid for the disc, we could possibly make her a couple of
>>extra copies to sell at a later date, and she could re-coup her extra costs
>>that way.
>
>
>ok, i could be wrong as one of those ignorant newbies who don't contribute
>anything but drivel(?) but does this not sound like a good idea to any of you?
>this way, amy would be able to keep her original copy of the cd, get at least
>partially, if not fully, reimbursed, and we would get ig cd quality sound.  i
>woudln't mind paying the $30...after all, this is the ig we are talking
about!!!
>so connie, i don't know about anyone else, and i would like to see some
opinions
>posted, but i think its a good idea and if it ever goes through, sign me up for
>a copy.  =)
>
>peace,
>nicole
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subject:      re: mike bunch (nigc)

at 09:27 am 2/12/96 -0500,  lauree who's so fascinated by herself wrote:

>mike, you are delusional.  i would venture to say that most
>people on this list, including an "old-timer" like myself,
>think you are a total jerk, but are not publicly flaming
>you because it is quite clear that you are experiencing
>a psychic break.

rotfl...gee, lauree  you didn't seem to think i was a total jerk
when i was making those ig tapes for you.  you seem
to be the delusional one.  wasn't that you who stole amy's
tea bag from the stage as a souvnier?

i guess the listmembers are only nice when they want a tape
or something from someone.  you never even mentioned the
horrible treatment amy received about her request.

and, quite frankly, the only psychic break i have is when they
pre-empt the "x-files"


>...but suffice it to say, we are not "ammused" by your
>acting out on the list...or by "we" do you mean you and your
>multiple personalities?

i suppose, i should be somewhat flattered that you seem to
feel i'm so complex.  but judging from your rather simple ways
of expression, i have to ask, is your mom also your sister.


>if jude won't kick this guy off the list, maybe we should all
>try to take a more constructive attitude about the whole thing.
>are there any psych majors out there who could perhaps us
>mike as a case study?

rotfl....i am a psych major with a minor in journalism.
we actually did discuss some of these issues but they
were concerned more with lesbian insecurity over that
whole womyn, wimmin, issue.

and lest we forget...this whole fascinating thread all started
with amy asking about the rarity of a tape and weather or not
people wanted to help her with it.  what happened to that issue?
or are you now all just too fascintated with me  :-)

i have done absolutely nothing wrong on this list but express
a few opinions.  perhaps, ruffle a couple of feathers and simply
stand up for issues i believe in.

if people on this list are too delicate to handle certain situations
and not strong enough to voice their own opionions well then
shame on them for not standing up and being counted.

if you think about it....i rarely participate quite so much on this list.
so i find it quite ammusing that people are blatantly showing how
two faced they really are.

how sad for us all...michael

p.s.

amy,  i'll contact you and help you out.
i think you've seen the true colors of the
list.  i now know why amy and emily have
chosen to distance themselves from it.

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subject:      i'm bummed

ya know what bites?? i have my final exams during the nojf.
aaarrrggghhhhh! there is no way i could make the trek from knoxville to
no. oh well. i'm happy for the rest of you that get to go-- just tape it
& take lots of pictures!! sorry to bring y'all down (if i did) love
y'all, katie ><}}}">

p.s.- is anyone going to the atlanta (or knoxville) ani difranco show??
><}}}">

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>date:         mon, 12 feb 1996 13:04:45 +0500
>reply-to: jack mitchell <jamitch3@vt.edu>
>from: jack mitchell <jamitch3@vt.edu>
>subject:      re: live in san francisco-part 2
>to: multiple recipients of list indigo-girls
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>
>"christopher m. becker" <cmbecker@space.mit.edu> wrote:
>
>>personally if she were to take a "finders fee" of
>>keeping the original that would be fine with me were i an "investor,"
>>but i won't pay $20 for a tape.  i would think that any monies
>>received over and above costs should go to charity in the spirit that
>>one should not make a profit out of booting.
>
>
>well, the following note was posted a couple of days ago, but with all of
>the flame warring going on, i think it got lost in the shuffle.  it still
>seems like the best idea to me.  one possible alteration might be that if
>more are sold than are needed to pay for the original and cover the small
>losses that nicole was expecting to take, we choose a charity to send the
>rest of it too.
>
>
>jack
>

just so everyone knows...the idea for copying the tape onto cds was connie's
idea, not mine.  she said she had the capabilities to do so...but thanks for
giving me the credit jack...i wish i could have come up with the original idea
=).  but jack is right, as well as everyone else...if money is to be made, it
should be given to charities.   at least that's my 2 cents on it.

peace y'all,
nicole

cool frienship quotes (dedicated to all my friends and my bestest bud jaime)

"what is a friend?  a single soul dwelling within two bodies"--aristotle

"leaving ain't fair, you know, parting ain't just.  people got to move on,
people got to do what they must...and we're back together again.  and i'm never      gonna lose you as a friend..."--emily saliers (ig)

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subject:      calling a halt, but just for now

hi y'all. okay, as of right this moment (10:30 am mountain time) i
am cutting off my offer to dub in with the out crowd for people, after having
gotten 45 requests in less than 24 hours.

i will offer it again down the road, but if you have not already mailed me,
please hold off for now. i want to be fair and prompt to the people who
have already responded so they aren't still waiting for their tape in, say, july
of 1997 :)

thanks to all who have responded. i will get your copies out to you as i receiveyour requests in. other than the folks i am trading with, i didn't keep
your original emails requesting a copy, so i am counting on getting your
envelope in the mail to jog my memory :)

take care and happy trading is making me smile today!

sus

smarine@cc.colorado.edu

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date:         mon, 12 feb 1996 17:26:30 +0000
reply-to:     indigo jo <mts5@aber.ac.uk>
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from:         indigo jo <mts5@aber.ac.uk>
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subject:      re: live in san francisco
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on mon, 12 feb 1996, curtis lord wrote:

> at the risk of being put on a lot of peoples  s@#$ list i just have this
> to say. in refrence to the live in sf string!
>
> it all comes down to morals,
> artists work to write, record and produce these albums and songs that
> people are selling on the black market.
> yes i'm guilty of owning some bootlegs (not many but that's not the point)
>
> i'm not calling anyone immoral but just remember that most of you don't
> go to work for your boss and not expect a paycheck.
> i have friends that are recording artists and i feel for them when
> someone makes a bunch of copies and sells them..... it makes it harder
> and harder for musicians to keep recording.... (thus the fact that a lot
> of artists are rich (the commercial ones) and some are poor (the real
> artists who understand the music and are able to write a story with only
> notes not words).
>

that's all very well if the record company and the artist actually releases
the music of that particular gig.   when they don't, most people have no
other option if they want to hear it than to get a bootleg of it.   the
artist doesn't lose any money that way at all.

if the indigo girls are that bothered about bootlegs of gigs then they
should release fan-club mail-order cds or tapes of the gigs.   ok, you can
say if people want to hear the music they should pay their money and see
the gig, but (a) only a few thousand people can get into a concert hall
anyway and (b) once they've got the money off that few thousand, that's how
much they intended to get.   so i don't see much wrong with bootlegging gigs
at all - especially with major label artists.

mat

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from:         lauree shampine <shampine@ll.mit.edu>
subject:      re: mike "the psycho" bunch (nigc)

the bunch...you wacky guy...

>rotfl...gee, lauree  you didn't seem to think i was a total jerk
>when i was making those ig tapes for you.  you seem

i've never gotten nor have i ever requested any tapes from you.

>to be the delusional one.  wasn't that you who stole amy's
>tea bag from the stage as a souvnier?

wrong again.

>rotfl....i am a psych major with a minor in journalism.

that figures...a psychotic imbecile who can neither write nor spell...

>i have done absolutely nothing wrong on this list but express
>a few opinions.  perhaps, ruffle a couple of feathers and simply
>stand up for issues i believe in.

one word for you...

psychosis:  fundamental mental derangement (as paranoia) characterized
by defective or lost contact with reality


seek professional help.  there is only so much that people on the list
can do for you, mike.

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on mon, 12 feb 1996, michael bunch wrote:

> rotfl....i am a psych major with a minor in journalism.
> we actually did discuss some of these issues but they
> were concerned more with lesbian insecurity over that
> whole womyn, wimmin, issue.

not wise words, mate ...

mat

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|  mts5@aber.ac.uk   |      for anyone, an absentee boss is best."     |
|                    |         - jeannette winterson, "the passion"    |
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              <jennifer=hall%ts=syscall2%cs=hou@bangate.compaq.com>
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subject:      let's just ignore him!

hey all.  i've been on the list for about a week now and this list reads
like the "real world" newsgroup (they fight constantly)- - concerning mike
bunch i mean.  i'd much rather discuss a&e.

you're all feeding his need to argue by addressing him or discussing him
constantly.  if we all just ignore him and don't post to him or concerning
him...maybe he'll go away.  by constantly addressing him, he's just
"getting off" all the more.  i don't mean to be crude by my comment in
quotes, but i'm sick of dealing with him.  i don't read the posts from him
or concerning the sf cd, but sometimes you need to open the e-mail to find
out that - "yup - we're talking about bunch again!".

let's just ignore him and let it lie, okay?

for what it's worth,
- jen hall

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although some of the 'criticism' is a little constructive, most of this
particular thread has become 'destructive'. ::shaking head::

for the first time i can ever remember, i actually pray that amy ray and
emily saliers aren't reading this list. jeez, michael. even my 5 year old
son knows when enough's enough. walk away from the damn monitor for 3
days. take a few deep breaths, and throw yourself back into your off-screen
life. even just for 3 days.

--dianne
<< i wish *us all* insight to battle love's blindness, strength from the
milk of human kindness>>

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subject:      road trips!

_now_ i remember what i wanted to post about over the weekend. i started to
write with a plan in mind, forgot the plan, and then finished the post with a
lot of nonsensical babbling. but that's ok. i amused myself for awhile. :)
what i _wanted_ to talk about was road trips. seems like an appropriate
subject since the three ig dates this year will spawn countless road trips
from countless people from countless miles away. so folks, what's the farthest
you've ever travelled for the _sole_ purpose of seeing an ig-related event?
what's your story? (trips to london to see your grandmother which also
included a coincidental ig concert don't really count, but i'd be glad to read
your story anyway:) the most i've ever done is 15 hours one-way to atlanta
(from pa) to see rdr's new year's eve bash. (and that didn't even include an
ig performance!) so as of this moment, phil and i are in the lead for first
prize for "lunatic road-trippers." i have an audience boot somewhere which has
amy and emily talking to a crowd member who travelled all the way from the
east coast to colorado (i think) for an ig show. they speculate on stage that
the person must have another reason for travelling there, or else they're
"_crazy_." so let's prove just how crazy we all are.

on another not at all related topic, i "road tripped" all of 15 min into
bethlehem last nite to see catie curtis. she's so awesome. i should say more
about that later cuz i'm running out of time. but catch her if you can. she's
great. :)


>no matter what she says, lorinda will so be complacent :)

i just have to say, that i really enjoy receiving public hate mail from
complete strangers over things that they know nothing about. for those of you
who were wondering, or cared, this is _not_ a bit of friendly sarcasm. it's a
piece of nasty, self-righteous bullshit. the smiley face has no place in the
above sentence. i guess it's just continuing the current trend of hate and
acrimony the list is experiencing. glad i could be a part of it.

folkisgruven,
lorindigo


    i           will            not        be               complacent
lorinda wright           "learn to pretend there's more than love that
lw01@lehigh.edu           matters. -e.s.
lehigh university         "i want to harbor you from the anger
bethlehem, pa             find a refuge from the wrath. -a.r.
    i           will            not         be              complacent

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hello.

i just bought my first 12 string and i was wonderin' if any of you guys
know which songs emily uses hers for. i cannot remember!  they used one
during honor the earth shows....

thanks in advance!

miranda

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subject:      re: 1996 newport dates confirmed.
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so.....

when do tickets usually go on sale?

like i'd be flying all the way across the country, but it's an attainable
goal....

:)


on sun, 11 feb 1996, ms janet m vansyckel wrote:

> just to let you know that i found out the the ben and jerry's folkfest
> will be held the second weekend in august. the 10th and the 11th. i got
> this information by visiting the ben & jerry's home page on the www and
> e-mailing on of the people listed there.
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> jan mv - mglz19a@prodigy.com http:
> //pages.prodigy.com/m/g/a/mglz19a/home.htm
>      *updated (but still under construction) it's new!!!!
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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if anyone out there in indigo land sees "in with the out crowd" at any store
or if anyone has an extra copy for sale can you please email me?

thanks,
mjg

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subject:      enough...basta!

hi friends,

      ok ok ok...i, too, am bothered by this latest dialogue. firstly, yes it
is against the law to copy copyrighted material. it is also against the law
to commit sodomy in several states including georgia and florida (sodomy
includes oral copulation). are we not guilty of both????? hhhmmmmm?????

      secondly, you're and your are not the same, but who cares? i didn't
know this list graded syntax. finally, those of us who care about productive
ig discussion will stay on this list. i recommend that we who care ignore
those who do not (you know who you are).

      now that that nastiness is over, lets concern ourselves with the album
for the ig's.
a project initiated by susan. focus your energy on assisting her and not what
michael is saying today. and, don't forget....every day is an emily day   :)
  :)   :)


                                         annie        xoxoxoxo

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from:         indigo jo <mts5@aber.ac.uk>
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subject:      re: 12 strings
x-to:         miranda detore <inxsive@u.washington.edu>
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on mon, 12 feb 1996, miranda detore wrote:

> hello.
>
> i just bought my first 12 string and i was wonderin' if any of you guys
> know which songs emily uses hers for. i cannot remember!  they used one
> during honor the earth shows....

i'm pretty sure she plays one on fugitive while amy plays the 6-string
and then switches to the fender electric for the solo bit.   apart from
that i couldn't tell you.

mat

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|  mts5@aber.ac.uk   |      for anyone, an absentee boss is best."     |
|                    |         - jeannette winterson, "the passion"    |
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|    billy bragg / indigo girls info:  http://www.aber.ac.uk/~mts5/    |
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subject:      re: maggies lobotomy

okay,   i have absolutely nothing against profanity.  god knows, i
swear like a soldier myself.   but come on now, this is getting
ridiculous!  i have a million messages that 1)should not be written
until said writer has taken a pill and/or 2)should be personally e-
mailed, seeing that they are personal arguments.  most of what has
been posted has been a juvenile attempt to "get back at someone" by
public humiliation or something of the sort.
       i don't care where this started.  it should end now.  i know
i'm not the only one sick of this ridiculous fighting.  how old are
we?  advanced thanks for no sarcastic posts about this one.

                              shannon shevock (yamaha)

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subject:      sara lee & ani d.

hey all you listmembers,
i'm almost afraid to post with all the shit that's been going on here
lately.  i've been on this list for about two years now, and have never seen
anything like this.  anyway, i just wanted to let you all know, if someone
hasn't already, that sara lee played bass for ani difranco in englewood  new
jersey on friday night.  i live close by there, and was surprised to see
her!  ani was sick, so the show was kind of low key, but still great.  i've
never seen her play with any other instruments besides herself and andy
(drummer).  but yeah, sara lee played wonderfully, and ani seemed very
appreciative of her.  it was nice to see, a somewhat collaboration of my two
favorite groups.  anyway, that's all.  hang in there everybody..

oh, and by the way, a comment like "maybe your mom is also your sister?" on
this list?  please.

erica
"pounding your fists on reality, hoping it will break."

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subject:      (nigc) mike bunch (nigc)

here is the latest message from "psycho" michael bunch to me in
case you're all interested:

from mrbcom@earthlink.net mon feb 12 17:34:34 1996
date: mon, 12 feb 1996 14:34:03 -0800
x-sender: mrbcom@earthlink.net
x-mailer: windows eudora light version 1.5.2
mime-version: 1.0
content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
to: lauree shampine <shampine@ll.mit.edu>
from: michael bunch <mrbcom@earthlink.net>
subject: poor white trash...
content-length: 1507

at 02:28 pm 2/12/96 -0500, you wrote:

>the bunch...you wacky guy...

wacky.....repressed masturbation fantasies there lauree


>i've never gotten nor have i ever requested any tapes from you.

wrong...you were either part of a "tree" or something of
that nature because i have your home address


>that figures...a psychotic imbecile who can neither write nor spell...

you're refering to yourself there, right?  you're nothing but poor white trash
whos mom is really your sister and whos daddy is now you boyfriend.  i don't
even want to bring up the family dog and his role in all this.

>psychosis: and that is your lay persons diagnosis, huh?

i feel so sorry for you.  is you life really that miserable that all you can
do is offer pathetic little diagnosis to those you feel are somehow less
than you as a way to compensate for your own shortcomings.  from
you angry tone, i assume you're fat and ugly as well

lauree, you are obviously a self-hating lesbian who has contributed nothing
to this world but a waste of space.  the best this you could do would be to
die and hopefully refertilize the earth and encourage something worthwile
to grow in your place.

now, if you choose, we may continue this banter back and forth, it keeps
everyone in the dorm quite ammused.  they're even trying to check you out
somehow.  i don't know, you know those lawyer types, but feel free i enjoy
your attempts at coherent dialog.

even though my mother discourages me from playing with filth.....

michael

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from:         "mr. sven fjorbhergher" <pnorman@eclair.roanoke.edu>
subject:      re: (nigc) mike bunch (nigc)
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i don't know why mike or lauree shampine get off on their childish name
games, but they seem too.
        lauree, no one is impressed with your tattle-taling.  honest.

        mike, no one is impressed with your catchy and inflamatory bad-
mouthing.  honest.

        if you two really want to talk dirty too eachother, get on an irc
channel -- it's cheaper than the 900 numbers.

        even i, a hetero-sexual white male, know when i smell bullshit.
phil
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subject:      this sf-tape thang

excuse me. . . this is going to sound sarcastic, but it isn't really.
everyone's coming up with really neat ideas about what could be done with
the original cd amy's found, but hasn't anyone else noticed that amy herself
has completely dropped out of these negotiations?  (or am i just somehow not
getting her letters?)

prepared to be flamed for oversights,

                               danna

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subject:      nigc--no doubt concert...

okay...

so.  i decided after last weeks discussion on stereotypes against
fraternity people that i would open a new page in my everyday life with
people who are in fraternities...until friday night, that is.

i went to a really small bar in grand rapids to see a band called "no
doubt", because as well as ig, i am really into loud, ska-punky music, as
well as tons of other stuff.  anyway...i got there about two hours early
to be sure that i could get in, and so that i could secure a good spot.
the floor of this club (dancing area) is about 30x20 feet.  well, the
opening band played -- and everything was cool.  then, as no doubt was
setting up, a group of nine frat boys (once again, everything they wore
had their letters on it) decided they were going to push me out of the
way, and get in front of me. needless to say, they were all drunk.  so
they started groping me, and telling me to "get out the way you stupid
bi---!!" so i started putting my elbows in their rib cages.  well, the
band came on and started with a really ska-esque song, and so i started
dancing.  well, these guys undercut me (took out my legs while i was
pogo-ing) so i stood up and started pushing them off me.  well, low and
behold---one of those jerks punched me in the face!!!  these outstanding
citizens!!!  and let me tell you, it was no love tap.  so, i proceded to
either punch or push them down, then ran off the floor, filed ten
complaints, and had a beer and watch the rest of the show.  i'm not sure
why else i am telling you all this...but it really ticked me off.  music
is supposed to help us.

i've babbled enough...sorry to waste all of your time...
love
aim

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from:         sweet jane <benorea@river.it.gvsu.edu>
subject:      newport, road trips..

i posted a couple of days ago about newport, but never really got a
straight answer...

where is it?  newport does not help.  i am geographically impaired.  i am
sorry for such a dimwit question, but i have no where to turn.

love
aim

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date:         mon, 12 feb 1996 19:13:05 -0600
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from:         trant batey <twb@zycor.lgc.com>
subject:      re: this sf-tape thang
x-to:         wyohknott@aol.com

i'm pretty sure amy became offended and left the list.  not supprising, the
criticisms of her were far to harsh. and, this was in return for doing what
she thought would be a favor.  then her response was even more out-of-line.

things got far worse from there, you can imagine what is going on in private
email.  oh well, it seems the tape (cd?) is lost to every one now.  i think
we have also lost something more important than that.  our identity as the ig
list will probably never be the same.

trant

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date:         mon, 12 feb 1996 16:53:07 -0800
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subject:      re: 1996 newport dates confirmed.
x-to:         miranda detore <inxsive@u.washington.edu>
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hey miranda, was there an honor the earth tour in seattle?  or did ya see
them in portland?  i must have been in a haze from the dead show, i don't
remember a 12-string.  now i wanna know what songs she used it on, and
generally what else i missed.  (gee, i was in the front row even) <g>

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from:         verdi@imap2.asu.edu
subject:      nigc but...dwc(dar williams content)
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i'm off tonight to see my first dar concert. i bought her some roses and
i'm going to take them up to her during the performence. i'm so excited.
i also included a note asking if i could sing with her. you can always
hope. she seems like a nice person, right? well, that's it.
thanks for listenin'
ben
slavin

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from:         kris vockler <vockler@pacifier.com>
subject:      re: sara lee & ani d.
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on mon, 12 feb 1996, ryan, erica wrote:

> hey all you listmembers,
> i'm almost afraid to post with all the shit that's been going on here
> lately.  i've been on this list for about two years now, and have never seen
> anything like this.

is this what you could call new album withdrawls?  or growing pains?

your right, this list has hit some low points in the past, but this is
one for the faq page. <g>

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date:         mon, 12 feb 1996 20:27:00 est
reply-to:     bertin lefkovic <indigboy@eden.rutgers.edu>
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from:         bertin lefkovic <indigboy@eden.rutgers.edu>
subject:      setting the record "straight" (for lack of a better word)

i want to update my last message about fan tours taking place this coming
spring and summer, but first i want to put a couple of things to rest.

first, not only is lauree not fat and ugly, but if anyone here has ever met,
her, she is quite slim and beautiful.  not that you have to be slim to be
beautiful.  and she has the most wonderful partner a woman or a man could
ever have, so mike's twisted and delusional staements about lauree prove not
only his immaturity, but also his stupidity.

second, phil, considering what happened down in atlanta with you and your
nazi friend, you would be best served to keep your mouth shut.  i hope for
your sake, if squirrels ever learn to drive, that they don't take the
attitude, "it's only phil norman!!!" when they see you crossing the road.

but enough of that.  i consider myself a man of peace not war, or flame-war
to be exact, so i want to talk about something a little more important.  the
upcoming ig shows.

thanks to my good friend lauree, i now have a ticket to the ig show in new
orleans on may 4th.  isn't that the russian new year?  anyway, i spoke to
russell carter's office today and they confirmed this show, as well as theri
appearance at the jazz festival the night before.  i expect that to be such a
madhouse, that i probably will not be going to that show.  a night of ig,
joan baez, and joan osborne seems much more enticing.  they also confirmed
that ig will be playing at the newport folk festival.  this is the good news.
the bad news is that they told me that ig will not be playing at earth jam in
atlanta.  they could not tell me if this was because it was not taking place
at all or because they only intend to make a cameo or unannounced appearance.
i would get your hopes up, but i wouldn't give up all hope either.

thus, i am now going to focus on the new orleans shows.  i am going to start
contacting hotels and airlines about arranging speacial deals for large
groups.  i figure that if i can get a large enough group together, then it
will make the whole thing cheaper for everyone.  at this point, i cannot
guarantee tickets, since they have already gone on sale, but i will be
contacting russell carter's office again this week to get more information
and as soon as i know something, i will pass it on to the list.  at this
point, if you already have tickets, but have not made hotel and/or flight
reservations yet, i urge you to participate in this.  i hope to have a better
idea about prices later in the week, and hope to start making definitive
arrangements next week.  in the meantime, those that have already e-mailed
me, telling me that you're interested, stay tuned.  those of you that have
not e-mailed me yet and are interested, let me know.  i look forward to
hearing from all of you soon.

let it grow

bert

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date:         tue, 13 feb 1996 09:32:22 +0800
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from:         glee <b3102097@cc.ntu.edu.tw>
subject:      17 igs

hello there, i've been trying to convert my advicer in uni to listen to
indigo-girls so i made a tape of some of my favorites...it's a 74 minutes
tape, so i was able to squeeze 17 songs in. i chose 9 emily songs and 8
amy songs; following is the order: see if you would leave off/add anything...

1. power of two  2. chickenman  3. ghost  4. keeper of my heart
5. love's recovery  6. reunion  7. the girl with the weight of the world
her hand  8. hand me down  9. the wood song  10. strange fire (live)
11. you and me of the 10.000 wars (live) 12. you left it up to me
13. closer to fine  14. secure yourself  15. mystery  16. walk away
17. fare thee well

i tried not to choose songs from all their albums equally, and there are
still a lot of great songs that i couldn't put in the tape...

ps. hopefully amy and emily woudln't mind this too much...i did write on
the tape, using ani difranco's words: "unauthorized duplication, whle
sometimes necessary, is never as good as the real thing."

stay kewl.

gavin

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date:         mon, 12 feb 1996 20:48:22 -0500
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from:         christine housel <chousel@grove.ufl.edu>
subject:      cassette tapes!
x-to:         paula laine <plaine@seaccd.sccd.ctc.edu>
in-reply-to:  <pine.hpp.3.91.960209162012.24839a-100000@seaccd.sccd.ctc.edu>

hi all--
strange as it may sound, i end up listening to most of my ig music (or any
music, for that matter) in my car and with my walkman--both of which
involve cassette tapes, not cds. i'd love to have a cd player, of course,
but don't plan to get one until i'm more "settled down" in the future (and
i can't afford to re-buy all my music in cd form right now anyway).

so, here's my point: i would be thrilled to have tapes of anything ig
(that isn't rop, po2, sf, 1200c, nis, botby, ig, & so, as i already have
these! :-), anything at all that a & e sing (all the stuff that has been
mentioned). if anyone has tapes they no longer use (because they now have
the cd version, for example), i would be interested in buying them (i
don't have anything to trade....i just have all the mainstream stuff,
which most of y'all probably have already). they (the tapes) don't need
to be perfect quality for me to be interested in them. please contact me
if you're interested in this.

being a "tape-not-cd seeker", i'm also willing to pay $10-15 (maybe $20,
depending upon what it is)--roughly the price of new tapes these
days--for a copy of the rare promos and whatever other ig "finds" that may
cost more than a tape and a sase. even if it wears out years from now,
it's still ig music and it'll keep me happy till its lil' plastic ribbon
wears thin..... :-)

love,  christine

on fri, 9 feb 1996, paula laine wrote:

> sure i paid $29 for hou and dowar; but they are on cd. to me tape is
> disposable; it doesn't last forever. i would pay that kind of money for a cd
> no problem, but not a tape.

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subject:      a request for a list of non-mainstream ig music =)

hey guys!!  i am fairly new to this list (as some
of you already know) and i am one of those people
who only have ig maintstream stuff.  but a couple
people are already broadening my horizons in ig
music by dubbing their tapes for me. (thank you!!)
but here's my reqest...could someone make me a
list of all the ig material currently available
that isn't mainstream (like bootlegs and stuff) so
that i can keep track of the stuff i have and the
ones i still need to get?  i'm sure most people on
this list already know all the ig music, so if you
want to email me privately with the list, feel
free to do so (nande737@macsrv1.uwsp.edu)  thanks
y'all!!!

peace and hugs,
nicole

cool frienship quotes (dedicated to all my friends and my bestest bud jaime)

"what is a friend?  a single soul dwelling within two bodies"--aristotle

"leaving ain't fair, you know, parting ain't just.  people got to move on,
people got to do what they must...and we're back together again.  and i'm never      gonna lose you as a friend..."--emily saliers (ig)

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from:         jack mitchell <jamitch3@vt.edu>
subject:      re: cassette tapes!
x-to:         chousel@grove.ufl.edu

>being a "tape-not-cd seeker", i'm also willing to pay $10-15 (maybe $20,
>depending upon what it is)--roughly the price of new tapes these
>days--for a copy of the rare promos and whatever other ig "finds" that may
>cost more than a tape and a sase. even if it wears out years from now,
>it's still ig music and it'll keep me happy till its lil' plastic ribbon
>wears thin..... :-)

most things someone on the list already has and will be willing to copy for
tape/sase, so before you pay for a copy, check around.  pro'lly better to
stay with the tape/sase policy rather than starting a precident.  it has
held us for a long time, and i hope that it will be able to go for a long
time more.

just my $0.02

j
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from:         towanda <kbelew1@ua1vm.ua.edu>
organization: the university of alabama, tuscaloosa, al
subject:      ig at uno
in-reply-to:  message of mon, 12 feb 1996 10:19:08 -0500 from <listserv@netspace

      thanks to you guys who posted about the ig concert. wow. ig, joan osborne
and joan baez. it's a must see! and you're right. quite expensive at the same
time ouch.  i called today and got 12th row tickets on the floor. not bad,
not bad at all ;)
      thanks again...
                                        kacy n. belew
                                        towanda (irc)

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date:         mon, 12 feb 1996 18:39:49 -0800
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from:         jeanette lynn reposa <reposa@chaph.usc.edu>
subject:      re: cassette tapes!
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on mon, 12 feb 1996, christine housel wrote:

> hi all--

>
> so, here's my point: i would be thrilled to have tapes of anything ig
> (that isn't rop, po2, sf, 1200c, nis, botby, ig, & so, as i already have
> these! :-), anything at all that a & e sing (all the stuff that has been
> mentioned). if anyone has tapes they no longer use (because they now have
> the cd version, for example), i would be interested in buying them (i
> don't have anything to trade....i just have all the mainstream stuff,
> which most of y'all probably have already). they (the tapes) don't need
> to be perfect quality for me to be interested in them. please contact me
> if you're interested in this.
>
> being a "tape-not-cd seeker", i'm also willing to pay $10-15 (maybe $20,
> depending upon what it is)--roughly the price of new tapes these
> days--for a copy of the rare promos and whatever other ig "finds" that may
> cost more than a tape and a sase. even if it wears out years from now,
> it's still ig music and it'll keep me happy till its lil' plastic ribbon
> wears thin..... :-)
>
> love,  christine
>
> on fri, 9 feb 1996, paula laine wrote:
>
> > sure i paid $29 for hou and dowar; but they are on cd. to me tape is
> > disposable; it doesn't last forever. i would pay that kind of money for a cd
> > no problem, but not a tape.
>

im new to this list, and i havent really posted anything (ive been afraid
of the response) but im in the same boat as christina (though i do have a
cd player)...so whoever contacts her, write me too!!!!

thanks all!!

jeanette lynn

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from:         christine housel <chousel@grove.ufl.edu>
subject:      re: close minded people stink (sort of igc)
x-to:         julie elaine goldman <jgold16@emory.edu>
in-reply-to:  <pine.sv4.3.91.960205235006.4471a-100000@curly>

though i've never had anyone ask me that obnoxious question ("oh, are you
gay?" "are you a lesbian?"), i've had some other ridiculously
stereotypical reactions when i've told others (acquaintances, not
friends) that my favorite music is the indigo girls. maybe others can
relate to this....

one night last year i was chatting with two guys who were "regulars" in
the restaurant i work in. the subject of music came up, and when i
mentioned the ig, one of the guys made a face and said
"oh, man, isn't that, like, some hard-core feminist band, like a coupla dykes
or somethin'?...heh-heh-heh..." i forget my exact response, but it
involved nicely explaining to them that it was two women with awesome voices,
great lyrics, and acoustic guitars....all the while trying to resist the
almost uncontrollable urge to "accidentally" spill hot coffee in their laps.

the second episode was the same thing: two guys, also "regulars" who i think
felt like they sorta knew me at that point....as we chatted about music, i
enthusiastically mentioned the ig as my favorite music. one of the guys
gave me this stupid wide-eyed astonished look and exclaimed "you're not a
male-basher, are you?!" i was so overcome by the ridiculousness of this
that i just laughed in his face, shook my head and walked away laughing
(was that too harsh?). i most certainly am not a "male-basher", and even if
i were such a thing (definitions of a "male-basher", anyone?), i'm sure
ig music would calm down or eliminate those feelings within me, not
create or promote them!!! sheeesh....

christine  :-)

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from:         jeanette lynn reposa <reposa@chaph.usc.edu>
subject:      re: ig-live in san francisco...let's make a deal!
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i must have missed something through all of the arguing, but did anyone
ever decide what was going to happen with the live in san francisco cd??
i am willing to pay the 20 or 30 dollars, if thats whats going to happen...

oh, i guess i should say something..im new to the whole indigo girls
scene...my friend linda (hi linda!!) played history of us and  you left
it up to me one night when we were driving to a movie, and i fell in
love...i now have all of their cds (mainstream) except nis, which i will
soon be getting..i sent the lyrics of history of us to a friend in
belgium..he feel in love with them, and went out and bought the cd, which
is now one of his favorites, i played 10,000 curfews for my best friend
achilleus who
fell in love with amy and emilys voices, and the next day he went out and
bought their cd...he plays the guitar and figured out the chords to land
of canaan, and whenver he calls me he sings it to me...the songs have
become certain connections to the people that mean the most to me (the
people i miss)..well, i should get going before i spill
everything..anyways, thanks....

jeanette lynn

"that which we hate, we feel in ourselves.  that which we fear, we see in
others.  but hate and fear both arise in the heart, as does love.  hate
can conquer fear, but only love can conquer hate." -christopher pike

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from:         david tucker <tucker@earthlink.net>
subject:      re: cassette tapes!

i am another newbie and would love any info on tapes or cd's

thanks

david

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reply-to:     as cool as i am <piquet@geko.net.au>
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from:         as cool as i am <piquet@geko.net.au>
subject:      re: road trips!
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on mon, 12 feb 1996, lorinda wright wrote:

> _now_ i remember what i wanted to post about over the weekend. i started to
> write with a plan in mind, forgot the plan, and then finished the post with a
> lot of nonsensical babbling. but that's ok. i amused myself for awhile. :)

nonsensical babbling?  what nonsensical bab.... oh.   never mind. :)

> what i _wanted_ to talk about was road trips. seems like an appropriate
> subject since the three ig dates this year will spawn countless road trips
> from countless people from countless miles away. so folks, what's the farthest
> you've ever travelled for the _sole_ purpose of seeing an ig-related event?

um, does sydney -> the east coast of the us count?  it was *mainly* to
see the igs play (4 wondrous, marvellous times), after all... i just
*happened* to make a lot of great friends and have a great time along the
way. :)

going back to drinking my fruitopia thingy now... :)
sherlyn

ps - this one's for you, lorinda:
"iowaooohhhhhhhhh... iowa.... ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh..... iiiiii.... iowa..."
sing along if you know the words. :)

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        but the hills of iowa make me wish that i could,
        and i've never found a way to say i love you,
        but if the chance came by, oh, i would."
                - dar williams, "iowa"

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reply-to:     maureen a haley <yvzy46a@prodigy.com>
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from:         maureen a haley <yvzy46a@prodigy.com>
subject:      a modest proposal...

um,

     aw, man!  i swore off this bizarrity since kh responded to my
question 'what is the
landmass of a swallow?' with "i don't know, i don't care" but...

      (clears throat) ahem,

     by the powers invested in me by the state of confusion, i hereby
propose the following:

1) that the initials sf now stand for the controversial "san
francisco" disc and that ig be required to rename the  * strange
fire*  lp
in addition,

2) that the list as a whole purchase the said sf disc (preferrably
out from under amy's nose)
    and, after making multiple *free* copies for all and sending
copies to a&e (heck, if this things so rare they probably don't have
a copy) and charging everyone $30 shipping fees
      plus,

3) that we sell the thing to some poor suckaw for $800!!!    ( i
reccommend checking the
alt.music.ptbarnum  newsgroup for a suitable candidate)
   then,

4) proceeds from the sale may be used to have a list party, send me
to new orleans, save the earth, whatever...
also

5) any remaining funds may be allocated towards faxing things "over
to the folks in atlanta",
whatever that means  (my gawd! no one's told our mommies, have they?
)

<snort>

...all in good fun, folks!

remember                                        peace
                           maureen

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date:         mon, 12 feb 1996 20:12:33 -0800
reply-to:     scot ninnemann <scotjohn@leland.stanford.edu>
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from:         scot ninnemann <scotjohn@leland.stanford.edu>
subject:      a even more modest proposal...
x-to:         maureen a haley <yvzy46a@prodigy.com>
in-reply-to:  <096.01035832.yvzy46a@prodigy.com>

on mon, 12 feb 1996, maureen a haley wrote:

>       (clears throat) ahem,

(section deleted that basically sums up to locating and purchasing the
now-infamous live in san fran, forcing the ig to change the name (or
initials at least) of strange fire to avoid confusion, mailing it
everywhere free (sorta), and faxing "the folks in atlanta" without telling
our mommies.  great stuff. =)

here's another modest proposal...

those of us listies living in california or willing to road trip should
all meet up in the city by the bay, cruise over to pier 39 or golden gate
park or somewhere, break out the acoustic guitars, record a bunch of ig
covers and release it as the indigo girls (mailing list) live in san
fran!!!  we could even rent a big ol' sound system and a few 8-channel
adats "chained" together to have... drumroll please... glorious 24-track
digital straight from the mixing board. ;)

i'll be up there on saturday dropping off a friend at the airport... just
lemme know!...

scot

p.s. i'm not making a joke.  you know me, i take everything so seriously.

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date:         mon, 12 feb 1996 23:23:59 cst
reply-to:     chris schlueter <s344@nemomus.bitnet>
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from:         chris schlueter <s344@nemomus.bitnet>
subject:      reviving hello thread(a little sfc
in-reply-to:  in reply to your message of mon, 12 feb 1996 22:12:33 cst

well, since i never did the whole "introduction" thing, and since i
figured the list could use a little change of pace in the happy
direction, here goes.....

i'm an 18 year old male, born n' raised in st. louis mo, and am a frosh
majoring in philosophy & religion at northeast mo state u. my sister
got me interested in the girls my 8th grade year, and i've been hooked
ever since. i owe amy&emily allot, the got me back into playing guitar,
(i started playing in 3rd grade), and their music has pulled me through
some of the tougher times in my life. (though there haven't been many,
i'm just a typical white, middle class, suburbanite american teenager.)

just a couple comments, i've been on the list since last october, and
since this is my first(last?) post, i think i've suffered in newbiedom
long enough to "have a feel for the list." not that that really matters,
though. just cause i'm new dosen't make stupid or something. and newbies
are supposed to be the ones who clutter list members' boxes with silly
mail? seems a bit the other way around lately, no? ;)

warning!! here comes the sf content!!, (and i don't mean the album,kids)

ok, i shouldn't do this, acknowledging (sp?) mad men(and women)is the
surest way to provoke em', but i just have to ask, are all the list
members who bother to post suffuring from a bit of cabin fever, or is
it just in my head? what the hell? it seems like nobody can resist
getting sucked into this name calling crap. what the hell??? what is up?
i'm not gonna take a side here, i don't even know how this whole damn
thing started, as i didn't read any of the sf stuff untill people
started using (nsfc),(i figured i ought to know what was going on.)now
i'm sorry i checked. it seems that the little worth while mail coming
through is just to few to be worth it, so if things don't clear up soon,
i'm just gonna unsubscribe. (not that anybody probably gives a shit.)

by the way, all flames are welcome. i too have the power of the almighty
                           delete!!!!!!!!!!

>those of us listies living in california or willing to road trip should
>all meet up in the city by the bay, cruise over to pier 39 or golden gate
>park or somewhere, break out the acoustic guitars, record a bunch of ig
>covers and release it as the indigo girls (mailing list) live in san
>fran!!!  we could even rent a big ol' sound system and a few 8-channel
>adats "chained" together to have... drumroll please... glorious 24-track
>digital straight from the mixing board. ;)

man, if i weren't stuck in kirksville, i'd be there in a second!!!
24 tracks would be cool!!

sorry to waste so much space, but if bunch n' co. can do it, so can i ;)

               hoping peace breaks out soon,
                               chris "woozy" schlueter
                                        \/
                                       (don't ask)

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date:         mon, 12 feb 1996 23:29:11 -0600
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from:         "tracy l. fears" <und_tlf@hal.lamar.edu>
subject:      save mother earth....carpool!! please read this

okay...i live in beaumont, texas....i'm looking for some people that
are going to the new orleans jazz fest in may that will be traveling
down i-10....i have no car...and i really really really want to see
ig in concert in real life and not just on some disney special..
if a bunch of ppl want to get together...let's carpool and split the
gas bill....save mother earth!! peace
everybody's pal,
sal-ray

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date:         tue, 13 feb 1996 00:09:28 est
reply-to:     joe <jhamilto@miamiu.acs.muohio.edu>
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from:         joe <jhamilto@miamiu.acs.muohio.edu>
subject:      naked pictures of ben and jerry for sale!!!!

well..yes...i really do have the pictures..but i will only trade them for the
live in san fran disc.
ok..sorry...
:)
but for real..i am interested in purchasing the disc..i would like to hear a bi
t more about it..maybe clear of the controversy as to whether or not it was
even originally issued as a cd? (contrary to the discography) i think something
was posted about it..but it slips my mind...etc...and i will make a copy availa
ble for everyone..etc..so..if anyone knows amy or can contact her and pass the
idea along...woo hoo..etc... :)
i am also in touch with the people that have the indigo girls road signs. i
will be able to get a few of those..i'm thinking maybe even 20..i have a bunch
of ppl there that want one..so..if you are interested in one..or hearing what t
he hell they even are...email me and i'll let ya know what's up..and how high

roadtrips! i once drove over an hour to see a show!!!! :p now...you might say..
.that guy is obsessed...driving over an hour for a concert...get a life..etc...
but i was young and foolish..so i drove that hour...and that hour back...and
even now as i look back..i think i might drive an hour again to see a show...
if not for anything else..just to recapture a bit of my youth...

a high five to bert for getting the fan tour rolling again..what a wonderful
wonderful thing! everyone do it! all the people that were at the last one had
the times of their lives!!

(another brutal subject change) a bunch of ppl emailed me about the upcoming sh
ow up north...it is put on by the honor the earth ppl..so..use the email addres
s that someone posted a while back for ordering..or the phone number
to the place up in minn. if you want more info..i haven't heard anything as of
yet

and last but not least..have a happy day
we are fortunate ones,
joe

p.s. i was digging in the couch the other day and found a whole heap of spare
change...so to keep me from spending it on beer...i decided to buy and indigo
girl collectible fun thing....so if you have anything that you are thinking abo
ut selling...let me know...please and thank you.
p.s.s. anyone know where i can get a maggie poulos autograph?

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subject:      indistinguishable lyrics...

anybody know what amy is singing in 123 after the line "4-5-6 pick up
the sticks and go home"
there's some other things i can't understand on another cd, but
when i actually remember them, i'll bring it up on the list
thanks to all who write in response.....
sal-ray

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subject:      color me grey

hey, ya'll.
        i decided to actually post something (after having been on the list
for almost 2 months now).  i guess it's more out of need than the fact i
have anything to say.  i've downloaded all the ig lyrics i can get my hands
on and i just love several of the songs on color me grey, but i don't know
what they sound like!  can anyone make me a copy?  i would be forever indebted.
(i've become the beggar now...)  anyway, everyone have a great week.

        <thought i knew my mind like the back of my hand>
keith

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subject:      ig moment

okay...today i went into the campus beer joint (mirabeau's) and i
was greeted by hammer and a nail.....lisa my aquaintance and the bartender
was playing n*i*s.........i spent the next half hour listening to
the rest of the cd and beating my friend michelle at pool
hehehhehe.....anyway...it was a nice moment......

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from:         julie elaine goldman <jgold16@emory.edu>
subject:      re: color me grey
x-to:         keith isbell <isbelpk@okra.millsaps.edu>
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hi there
  me, too, please
  except i haven't even seen the lyrics to any of the color me grey
songs; i'd just really like to get a copy of it; thanks so much in
advance.  this is my address, btw, jgold16@emory.edu
   thanks,
      julie

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         the inexpressable is music."
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on mon, 12 feb 1996, keith isbell wrote:

> hey, ya'll.
>         i decided to actually post something (after having been on the list
> for almost 2 months now).  i guess it's more out of need than the fact i
> have anything to say.  i've downloaded all the ig lyrics i can get my hands
> on and i just love several of the songs on color me grey, but i don't know
> what they sound like!  can anyone make me a copy?  i would be forever indebted.
> (i've become the beggar now...)  anyway, everyone have a great week.
>
>         <thought i knew my mind like the back of my hand>
> keith
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subject:      indistinguishable lyrics "distinguished"

after amy sings "4-5-6 pick up the sticks and go home..."  i believe she says "you better
own up to me, yeah"   which is basically saying "you better confess/come clean with me"
for those who aren't familar with the phrase "own up to"

peace,

joan :)

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from:         sarah wiegmann <sanawike1@aol.com>

are a little story of this evening... i work at the
sesame street store, and we have no stereo system, but 10 television sets so
we can watch videos galore.  well, i had to go in to do stock until 1am
today, so i thought it might be nice to take the girls along.  so we listened
to "live at the uptown lounge" three times over, but during the second
run-through, a co-worker said, "now what is this tape called?"  she said that
she really liked it and that maybe she'd go look for it in the store.  i'm
going to make her a specialised indigo mix sometime this week.  just thought
it was neat that yet another person has joined our little "community"...
anyhow, i really think that lurking is still the way to go, so i'll see you
all much later!  peace, love, and happiness, sarah

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from:         pamela shaw <sparkle@primenet.com>
subject:      dar & joan (some igc)

i haven't ben keeping up with the list with all the insanity out here, but
something fun and wonderful happenned hte other day... not sure if it's been
posted.

i was at starbucks to hear dar and joan baez give a little free concert n
ksca (local cool radio)... and hte song htey opened with was... welcome
me!!!  i was pretty happy to not only be hearing wondeful performers for
free while sipping a mocha frappachino, but for htem to begin by singing an
ig tune!!!ah! life can be good... :)

back to the land of the barely lurking...
pamela

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reply-to:     julian knopf <stripe@oasis.icl.co.uk>
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from:         julian knopf <stripe@oasis.icl.co.uk>
subject:      re: 12 strings and hello all

time to delurk -

hi i'm jules and i've been listening for a while. i've got a lot to than
my mate edwin for for introducing me to ig. i'm not talking profound
changes in my life but just help in getting me through final year of uni
etc and giving me load of really good music to learn and play on my
guitars !! cheer 'dwin

any way the point of this - isn't is amy that plays the 12 on fugitive
and then changes to the strat. i'm sure this happened both times i saw
them live and on the bbc/disney thing !!

just my 2 penneth

jules
p.s. remember for every information superhighway there will always be a
cones hotline

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from:         helene burningham <h.burningham@ulst.ac.uk>
organization: university of ulster
subject:      today's words...

i'm beginning to wonder if i can use some sort of filter for list
mail...and send any mail with lisf in it straight to the trash!!

i made up a tape last night to send to my friend for valentines
day...a friends forever/things aren't always easy type thing...i was
going through all my tapes and cd's trying to find the best carriers
of the message i wanted to send...it was fun.  i found a song on a
folk compilation album by christine lavin...does anyone know anything
about her...she's kinda country style suzanne vega some michelle
shocked...i'd never really listened to her before...kinda unusual in
a cool sort of way!

anyway, the igc here is non-existant so far...of course i put ig
songs on the tape aswell...particularly power of two for the line
about something to do with leaving a legacy that we loved each other
well and loves recovery because my life and my friends life have
definitely not turned out how we planned.  i sometimes wonder what i
would really feel like if things were how i expected...really makes
you think...i've probably turned into someone who i would have hated
6 years ago.  it's wierd when things just jump up and grab you and it
takes you ages before you notice because you weren't looking out for
it.  if there's one thing i'd thank ig for, it would be for provoking
thought, and also for support, and also for comfort, and also for...


...i could go on all day.

talk to y'all later

love helene

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date:         tue, 13 feb 1996 18:38:02 +0800
reply-to:     mardi <sistablu@desktop.com.au>
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from:         mardi <sistablu@desktop.com.au>
subject:      ta ta

well folks, sorry to say, that's enough for me.

why would i want to come here everyday to hear so much crap being slung anyway.

the list use to be great, it's just really lost something, a select few have
taken 'it' away.

peace

mardi

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reply-to:     michael bunch <mrbcom@earthlink.net>
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from:         michael bunch <mrbcom@earthlink.net>
subject:      the mike and lauree show  (nigc)
x-to:         "mr. sven fjorbhergher" <pnorman@eclair.roanoke.edu>

at 07:34 pm 2/12/96 -0500, you wrote:

>i don't know why mike or lauree shampine get off on their childish name
>games, but they seem too.
>        lauree, no one is impressed with your tattle-taling.  honest.
>
>        mike, no one is impressed with your catchy and inflamatory bad-
>mouthing.  honest.
>
>        if you two really want to talk dirty too eachother, get on an irc
>channel -- it's cheaper than the 900 numbers.
>
>        even i, a hetero-sexual white male, know when i smell bullshit.
>phil


thank you phil!!!    well said, and to the point.

i am simply responding to lauries messages which she chooses
to send to the whole list.  what any of this has to do with amys original
tape idea.  (remember?  that was the original thread)  i have no clue.

i have traded with enough people on this and similar lists,
so i'm not the least bit concerned over lauries silly rantings.
but if laurie would like to keep up this voyeuristic, sado-masochistic,
verbal masturbation....hey i've got time between classes and i do enjoy
a good laugh.

you are right phil this is all just  bullshit!

michael

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reply-to:     rachel sefton-smith <seffy@epic.co.uk>
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from:         rachel sefton-smith <seffy@epic.co.uk>
subject:      misquoted lyrics (not much igc)

just after rop was released i was visiting my friend lemon in canterbury.
we were jamming and decided to have a go at 'let it be me'.  busked it to
the end before collapsing into giggles when lemon sang  "but the darker the
ages get, there's a stronger bacon yet"   *chuckle*   guess you had to be
there...

plug: if any uk listies are in the guildford/woking/farnham area, then look
out for posters advertising the a31 girls - lemon and her two sisters.
acoustic covers and originals, harmonies that could - dare i say - rival the
ig's... definitely worth checking out.


*************
seffy
    cod==#
*************

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subject:      (nigc) any listies in the nl?

hi there,

sorry to take up bandwidth, but i'd really welcome some advice from anyone
who knows amsterdam.  my gf and i are visiting for a long w/e starting 15th
march, and i'd really appreciate it if anyone could point me towards some
cool places to visit.  in particular, any clubs with live music that might
appeal to ig, me, am, ng...  fans, good record stores, women's clubs,
bookstores etc.

please email me privately - seffy@epic.co.uk - if you can help, i'd really
appreciate it.

cheers,

*************
seffy
    cod==#
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from:         michael bunch <mrbcom@earthlink.net>
subject:      bertins west coast fiasco
x-to:         bertin lefkovic <indigboy@eden.rutgers.edu>

at 08:27 pm 2/12/96 est, bert brain wrote:

>so mike's twisted and delusional staements about lauree prove not
>only his immaturity, but also his stupidity.

bert,

from what i know of you, that endorsement means as little as that
thing you keep asking to let it grow.

shall i fill everyone in on your last west coast fantour fiasco.  you
know the one.  it ended up in triple security checks for us "legitimate"
guests and your little fan club were left with nothing but autograpghed photos
and no "meet and greet" which, of course, cancelled that leg of the tour

i knew you even before i knew you and the commenmts were not kind..
i'm sure you and laurie make a lovely pair...

michael


ps

to the other members of the list, i would love to take this
off the list but everyone seems to feel the need to get their
oh so witty dig in.  if it bothers enough of you please write to
them personally and make that request...thanks

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reply-to:     michael bunch <mrbcom@earthlink.net>
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from:         michael bunch <mrbcom@earthlink.net>
subject:      my damage
x-to:         danip@aol.com

at 12:05 am 2/13/96 -0500, danip wrote:

>i have no idea what your damage is, but i think you need to get a life.
> volunteer your time helping people and be a real human instead of abusing
>someone you have never met. that you have angst is not our collective
>problem, and we as a list of people do not need to deal with it in any form.


excuse me...but you don't even know me.

i voulunteer twice a week at project angel food delivering meals
to people who cant leave their homes.  and i work with kids at a
homless shelter trying to get them off drugs and off the street.

i also had a aids buddy that i was very close to who died last week
while i was reading a book of his favorite poetry to him.  he did not
die alone and i will never forget that moment when he left this earth.

you do not know me....all you know are the reactions from a bunch of
faceless typists living throught their day...good, bad or indifferent.

let me know when your friend dies while holding your and then
maybe we can talk about what is a real human being.

michael

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subject:      (re: my damage)take it to email please!!!!
x-to:         michael bunch <mrbcom@earthlink.net>, danip@aol.com

at 06:03 am 02/13/1996 -0800, you wrote:
>at 12:05 am 2/13/96 -0500, danip wrote:
>
>>i have no idea what your damage is, but i think you need to get a life.

i am asking as nicely as i possibly can.....
can this flame war be handled in email???? the band-width it is taking is
getting to be astronomical (and i am willing to bet that more than 50% of
the 700+ members of this mailing list don't give a &%$@ about it).

marianne

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date:         tue, 13 feb 1996 09:40:56 -0500
reply-to:     lauree shampine <shampine@ll.mit.edu>
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from:         lauree shampine <shampine@ll.mit.edu>
subject:      (nigc) michael bunch (nigc)

>you are right phil this is all just  bullshit!

who would have thought that phil norman, michael "psycho" bunch,
and i would ever agree on anything...

lauree shampine

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date:         tue, 13 feb 1996 09:50:37 -0500
reply-to:     lauree shampine <shampine@ll.mit.edu>
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from:         lauree shampine <shampine@ll.mit.edu>
subject:      re: ta ta

>well folks, sorry to say, that's enough for me.
>
>why would i want to come here everyday to hear so much crap being slung anyway.
>
>the list use to be great, it's just really lost something, a select few have
>taken 'it' away.
>
>peace
>
>mardi

yeah, somehow i find that this list is no longer enriching my life.
you know, when the negative utility starts to far outweigh the
positive utility :) aloha

lauree shampine

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date:         tue, 13 feb 1996 09:39:20 -0500
reply-to:     d.perkin@access.texas.gov
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from:         dan perkins <d.perkin@access.texas.gov>
organization: ecsd
subject:      shine my life

hello,

i just checked my e-mail after being away for 3 days. i  had over 217
messages, most from this list. after reading several about the sf
tape, i decided i couldn't deal with sooo much negativity and
fighting.

i am really dissapointed in some of the folks posting here lately. it
makes me really sad to read such name calling, put downs, and
fighting.

i joined the indigo girls list looking for some of the love and
acceptance i feel when i listen to ig music or attend ig shows. i
joined because i believed that other fans of ig music would be
enlightened, spiritual, loving, caring human beings.... i still
believe that most of us are... but some how recently a few folks have
dragged this list down into the gutter.

please try to remember:

"if the world is night, shine my life like a light"

i think amy and emily would be dissapointed in the tone of the
conversation on this list lately, i know i am.

so, in the end i read about 10 of my email messages this morning,
and simply trashed the rest...

ok, now that i have said how i feel about the recent past, how about
something positive for the future:

is anyone out there heading for jazz fest to see ig... i am.. i think
we should meet up!

peace and love y'all

dan "bassman" perkins

"come on people now, smile on your brother everybody get together,
try to love one another right now"
"although it was spontaneous, you'd think that it was well
planned. the day the bass players took over the world"
                                   -emily kaitz

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date:         tue, 13 feb 1996 09:42:12 cst
reply-to:     jennifer hall
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from:         jennifer hall
              <jennifer=hall%ts=syscall2%cs=hou@bangate.compaq.com>
subject:      re: save mother earth....carpool!! please read this
x-to:         und_tlf@hal.lamar.edu

hey, we're in katy, texas (just west of houston).  my hubby and i are going
to the new orleans jazz festival and i'm going to the may 4th concert.
we're right off of i-10.  let me know if you, and a bunch of others, want
to rent a van or something and we can all carpool.  we haven't decided if
we're going to stay in n.o.thurs/fri/sat night - that's too $$$$.  we might
just go up twice.

you can e-mail me at    jhall@netgate.compaq.com    .  for some reason, my
giant banyan e-mail pops up on this list.

let me know what you're planning on doing.

- jen hall
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from "tracy l. fears" <und_tlf@hal.lamar.edu>, on 2/12/96 11:29 pm:
to: <indigo-girls@netspace.org>

okay...i live in beaumont, texas....i'm looking for some people that
are going to the new orleans jazz fest in may that will be traveling
down i-10....i have no car...and i really really really want to see
ig in concert in real life and not just on some disney special..
if a bunch of ppl want to get together...let's carpool and split the
gas bill....save mother earth!! peace
everybody's pal,
sal-ray

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reply-to:     sunny <sun@swcp.com>
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from:         sunny <sun@swcp.com>
subject:      ar on bootleging

>just think what the girls are thinking about all of this talk of
>bootlegging ect ect..... or any artist for that matter....

     i can tell you that i have met amy more than once and i specifically
asked her how she felt about ig shows being bootlegged (i have a lot of
bootlegs) and she told me that she did not care as long as people didn't
make a lot of money doing it.


                                        --sunny

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reply-to:     sunny <sun@swcp.com>
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from:         sunny <sun@swcp.com>
subject:      farthest roadtrip

>so folks, what's the farthest
>you've ever travelled for the _sole_ purpose of seeing an ig-related event?

well....
    from albuquerque, nm to denver, co (rolled my car, got out of the
hospital and hitchhiked the remaining 6 hours) also to phoenix, az (arrived
safely, met the girls) and then up to portland, or (only because my best
friend decided she wanted to move there, didn't know when she should, and
we decided the final show of the honor the earth tour was a good time).
    i just want to say, if i had a million dollars and didn't have to work....
my life's goal would be roadtripping across america following ig! seriously!


                                                       --sunny

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date:         tue, 13 feb 1996 11:39:50 est
reply-to:     "christopher m. becker" <cmbecker@space.mit.edu>
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from:         "christopher m. becker" <cmbecker@space.mit.edu>
subject:      minimal igc: www pages of folk artists

hiya folks,

  i was updating my homepage for the first time since i gave up the
nields page and wanted to include a bunch links to artists i've
discovered here.  the ones i have are below, but i need more (october
project, ani difranco, etc...) so i thought i'd start a list of www
pages and let people add to it (or offer alternate sites) and try to
get something fairly extensive that everyone can have (no name calling
necessary ;)).  copy the list over if you can so it can travel as a
unit.

        -- chris (http://www.mit.edu:80001/people/cmbecker/home.html)


p.s.  i can't wait for the dar & joan show at the sanders theatre *bounce*

        "i liked you when your soul was bared,
         i thought you knew how to be scared...."

                        -- dar williams

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the nields      http://uhavax.hartford.edu/disk$userdata/group/acm/www/nields/nwhomepa.html

susan werner    http://web.cgrg.ohio-state.edu/folkbook/artists/biographies/susan-werner/susan-werner.html

the story       http://www.cs.umd.edu/users/rager/story/

disappear fear  http://www.fish.com/music/disappear_fear/

millan & kenzie http://tswww.cc.emory.edu/~dsaxe/millan-kenzie.html

dar williams    http://www.panix.com/~tneff/dar/

ellis paul      http://gryphon.ccs.brandeis.edu/~andrew/ellis-paul/

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subject:      new orleans tickets

hey y'all,

     i called yesterday to ticketmaster in new orleans and i am now the proud
owner of tickets to the concert on may 4th.  to help anyone else achieve this
much sought after status i thought i would toss out the ticketmaster number in
new orleans-  (504) 522-5555.  they still had really good tickets available
yesterday so there should still be plenty of tickets left.

good luck!
suz

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subject:      re: new orleans tickets

yup!  me too!  i didn't even wait that long for the agent to pick up
either!  got my 2 9th row tickets!  meet y'all there!  (i'll be the one
wearing the ig shirt <hee hee>).

- jen hall

by the way, i was on this list about 4 months ago when you were all
discussing making t-shirts with the ig mailing list info on it, plus a+e=ig,
and other sayings.  did you ever do that - and how did they turn out?

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hey y'all,

     i called yesterday to ticketmaster in new orleans and i am now the
proud
owner of tickets to the concert on may 4th.  to help anyone else achieve
this
much sought after status i thought i would toss out the ticketmaster number
in
new orleans-  (504) 522-5555.  they still had really good tickets available
yesterday so there should still be plenty of tickets left.

good luck!
suz

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date:         tue, 13 feb 1996 12:02:03 est
reply-to:     lorinda wright <lw01@lehigh.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         lorinda wright <lw01@lehigh.edu>
subject:      re: 17 igs

> 1. power of two  2. chickenman  3. ghost  4. keeper of my heart
> 5. love's recovery  6. reunion  7. the girl with the weight of the world
> her hand  8. hand me down  9. the wood song  10. strange fire (live)
> 11. you and me of the 10.000 wars (live) 12. you left it up to me
> 13. closer to fine  14. secure yourself  15. mystery  16. walk away
> 17. fare thee well

pretty good tape. i see you went for the "softer" approach, ie no pushing the
needle, or touch me fall, etc. i guess you're trying not to scare your advisor
with too much powerful amy. amy _can_ scare people, ya know. i know someone
who runs away when they hear "blood and fire." *evil grin* ;)  although
chickenman is an interesting addition. i think the only change i would have
made is i would have used the full live stream of consciousness version of
chickenman. because i know there are a lot of people who never liked the song
until they heard it live, and heard the story behind it. hell, even amy likes
it a lot better live. hope you are successful in converting your advisor. :)

>the tape, using ani difranco's words: "unauthorized duplication, whle
>sometimes necessary, is never as good as the real thing."

cute. very cute. i'll have to remember that one. :)

folkisgruven,
lorindigo


    i           will            not        be               complacent
lorinda wright           "learn to pretend there's more than love that
lw01@lehigh.edu           matters. -e.s.
lehigh university         "i want to harbor you from the anger
bethlehem, pa             find a refuge from the wrath. -a.r.
    i           will            not         be              complacent

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date:         tue, 13 feb 1996 12:15:44 est
reply-to:     lorinda wright <lw01@lehigh.edu>
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from:         lorinda wright <lw01@lehigh.edu>
subject:      re: a modest proposal...

>1) that the initials sf now stand for the controversial "san
>francisco" disc and that ig be required to rename the  * strange
>fire*  lp

ok, how about another modest/notso modest proposal. a&e can leave the album
name _just_ the way it is, cuz let's face it, it's a great name:) but the
acronym we will use forever more to refer to the "controversial san francisco"
incident shall be: sff which, of course, stands for san f***ing francisco, or
san fran-f***ing-cisco. this refers only to the "incident," and not to the
city, which i'm sure is a very nice place. oh wait, i've been there. it is a
very nice place. :)

did the infamous m&m thing ever aquire an acronym?

folkisgruven,
lorindigo

    i           will            not        be               complacent
lorinda wright           "learn to pretend there's more than love that
lw01@lehigh.edu           matters. -e.s.
lehigh university         "i want to harbor you from the anger
bethlehem, pa             find a refuge from the wrath. -a.r.
    i           will            not         be              complacent

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from:         "tracy l. fears" <und_tlf@hal.lamar.edu>
subject:      list

okay, i was running through my mail being sad and erasing all the msgs
about people quitting the list because of all the public griping back
and forth!!!(peace y'all-just chill...you're driving everyone away...
i thought we were gonna make a book for ig?)
anyway, i'm sick...stopped up, headache and all that jazz...and i accidently
erased the www lists for the other folk bands....could someone forward it
to me please? i'd appreciate it..
have a nice day :)
sal-ray
"let the sunshine in....."-hair

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from:         sally blazar <blazplas@acs.bu.edu>
subject:      bootleg recommendations, please

hello,
  i'm new to the list and would like opinions on which bootlegs you recommend
as good ones and which as ones to avoid (given that i can't at this point
buy very many because of money constraints, i'd like to get opinions).
  thanks.
sally

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reply-to:     renee l grebe <grebe+@cmu.edu>
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from:         renee l grebe <grebe+@cmu.edu>
subject:      re: farthest roadtrip
in-reply-to:  <v01510109ad46005c611f@[204.134.0.221]>

>so folks, what's the farthest
>you've ever travelled for the _sole_ purpose of seeing an ig-related event?


well, like i already posted before, i flew from philadelphia, to arizona
to meet up with a friend, to drive to new mexico, just to see the girls
play.  and because we forgot about the hor time change from arizona to
new mexico, we ended up getting to the concert an hour late, walking
into the arena just in time to see the girls step out and play!!!!


renee

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reply-to:     naz <nazman@iastate.edu>
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from:         naz <nazman@iastate.edu>
subject:      romeo &juliet/ thoughts on the sf word wars...
x-to:         iglist@iastate.edu
in-reply-to:  your message of "sat, 10 feb 1996 15:44:24 est."
              <960210154424_218915534@emout08.mail.aol.com>

hi helene, hi all!

>but for some igc...i heard the mark knoplfer version of r&j
>yesterday...totally spooked out when it came on the radio...it was
>just so flat and meaningless...amy...you are a saint...she does that
>song so much justice.

first... i like amy's version the most! (i mean it, and i'm not just
saying that in case i need a ride in lorindigo's car someday!)  because
of amy i bought the dire straits cd with r&j on it, and, well, i liked
amy's version even more.  but mark knopfler's version has its own
power for me, in part because i hear these wry, heartaching gutwrenching
lyrics sung in such an understated way... kind of like when someone is
trying to tell you the burdens of their soul but they don't want to let
on how really devastated they are...

but amy, oh amy, how you sang it the way i needed it sung!

anyway, i'm still struggling through the weekend's posts so i haven't
caught up with all that's been said on the live in sf, but i feel bad
that my friends are fighting.  we do need to be vigilant in keeping our
boots in line with what a&e have stated, and at times we may need to
defend ourselves when our motives are questioned, but please, there's no
need to assume the worst about anyone.

insults and sarcastic replies can slam doors on good people, friends
that you may have been able to convince (both directly and indirectly.)
they devalue the message (however important) that you are trying to
make.  they make you look bitter and petty, no matter how many
supporters you claim to have, no matter how pure the motive, no matter
how saintly the cause.  you deserve better.  we deserve better.  amy &
emily deserve better from the list that bears their name.

my thanks go out to all who have contributed to this thread in a
positive manner.

thanks for listening.
take care,
naz

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reply-to:     lorinda wright <lw01@lehigh.edu>
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from:         lorinda wright <lw01@lehigh.edu>
subject:      re: road trips!

>> from countless people from countless miles away. so folks, what's the farthes
t
>> you've ever travelled for the _sole_ purpose of seeing an ig-related event?
>
>um, does sydney -> the east coast of the us count?  it was *mainly* to
>see the igs play (4 wondrous, marvellous times), after all... i just
>*happened* to make a lot of great friends and have a great time along the
>way. :)

why, it sure do! :) i knew you'd be a hard person to beat, since i knew you'd
been over here for concerts and such. say, do you have a mileage estimate on
that there trip of yours? i'd be willing to bet it beets my _round_ trip 2000
miles. :) :) (somehow, i think australia is a leeeetle bit further away than
2000 miles. :)

>going back to drinking my fruitopia thingy now... :)

ooooh! what flavor? can i have one? i haven't had lunch yet...

>ps - this one's for you, lorinda:
> "iowaooohhhhhhhhh... iowa.... ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh..... iiiiii.... iowa..."
>sing along if you know the words. :)

ahhhh, thank you ever so much. the words are complex...actually, the _word_ is
complex, but i think i can remember them (it). :)

oh, and since we're now on the subject of other artists, i might as well bring
up catie again. catie curtis. saw her on sunday. and for the person who asked,
yes, i did get to meet her. she's a funny, sweet, kind person. in fact, i've
met her twice now. i nabbed her setlist too. and it was totally wrong. she
said she only writes them as guidlines, cuz she always ends up changing them
anyway. i told her, "no, no, no. you write setlists so people like me can take
them home :)" and she laughed and agreed. anyway, point is, here's another
plug: go see catie curtis (_and_ dar williams) if you can. they're _wonderful!_
oh, in fact, catie is going to be at the bottom line in nyc this thursday the
15th. c'mon by if you can. i'll be there. (not that you should come by to see
_me_. you should come by to see _catie_. there. i think i've cleared that up
now. :)

folkisgruven,
lorindigo

    i           will            not        be               complacent
lorinda wright           "learn to pretend there's more than love that
lw01@lehigh.edu           matters. -e.s.
lehigh university         "i want to harbor you from the anger
bethlehem, pa             find a refuge from the wrath. -a.r.
    i           will            not         be              complacent

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date:         tue, 13 feb 1996 13:26:31 est
reply-to:     christopher hull <75762.2516@compuserve.com>
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from:         christopher hull <75762.2516@compuserve.com>
subject:      igc moment

captain,  newbie delurking within sensor range...!

i've been lurking for about a week and was close to leaving the list until i saw
this new thread.  i posted this "moment" to some fellow compuserve members (hey,
joan!) and thought i'd copy here.  most of all, my favorite ig song has to be
power of two.  my wife is not a fan, but after a particularly rough time between
us, i typed out the lyrics (easier to read than the liner, but i kept the same
format as far as the lines go) and played that song for her.  by the end of it,
she was in tears.  it was probably one of the closest moments that we ever had.
emily's words said far more than i would ever have been able to.  now, i'll just
fade back into the shadows...

christopher hull

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from:         greg kemp <gkemp@eng.clemson.edu>
organization: clemson university ilp laboratory
subject:      x103 is off the air (no sff content)

hey all,

some time ago, back when we were able to civilly discuss things, i
mentioned that a local radio station (wxwx, 103.9 fm easley sc) played
some ig from time to time.  they even had an acoustic show on sunday
mornings where you were 'bout guaranteed to hear some ig.

friday, x103 switched from "modern rock" format to "oldies" format.
they are currently playing a beatles song.  <sigh>  as if this market
needed another lite rock radio station.

campus radio is little better.  their usual fare is what one friend
described as "guitars, being cut up with chain saws".

so, lorinda, with your permission, i'm going to pull over and let the
powers that be at x103 get out and walk.

--

greg "glad i have a tape deck in my car" kemp
gkemp@ces.clemson.edu
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reply-to:     julie elaine goldman <jgold16@emory.edu>
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subject:      re: romeo &juliet
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i just felt like sharing this random thing.  we were talking about images we
see when we hear certain ig songs, etc.  for r&j i always think of the
first time i heard it, when my friend and i were in 7th grade and we were
busy trying to figure out stuff about there personal lives, like
12-year-olds do, and we saw amy play r&j at the roxy in atlanta and we
were overwhelmed by her intensity adn her aura could've encompassed the
whole room and we were sitting there going "wait - she is!  no she isn't!
but she is! no she isn't!" and then we found out it was a cover song
later on so it was all irrelevant and we've matured a lot since then
anyway...
  on the other hand, when i hear the original version of r&j, i imagine a
children's sequence of a video/movie/somtimes-puppet-show  in which a
bigger-than-life, friendly inch-worm sits on a log with a guitar (except
the worm has little arms so he can play guitar and a cowboy hat on) and he's
singing the song.
i swear i have no idea where the hell i got these ideas, and i'm not on
any illegal drugs or anything so that's not it, but that's really what i
see everytime.  go figure.
  -julie

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         the inexpressable is music."
                                        -aldous huxley

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on tue, 13 feb 1996, naz wrote:

> hi helene, hi all!
>
> >but for some igc...i heard the mark knoplfer version of r&j
> >yesterday...totally spooked out when it came on the radio...it was
> >just so flat and meaningless...amy...you are a saint...she does that
> >song so much justice.
>
> first... i like amy's version the most! (i mean it, and i'm not just
> saying that in case i need a ride in lorindigo's car someday!)  because
> of amy i bought the dire straits cd with r&j on it, and, well, i liked
> amy's version even more.  but mark knopfler's version has its own
> power for me, in part because i hear these wry, heartaching gutwrenching
> lyrics sung in such an understated way... kind of like when someone is
> trying to tell you the burdens of their soul but they don't want to let
> on how really devastated they are...
>
> but amy, oh amy, how you sang it the way i needed it sung!
>
> anyway, i'm still struggling through the weekend's posts so i haven't
> caught up with all that's been said on the live in sf, but i feel bad
> that my friends are fighting.  we do need to be vigilant in keeping our
> boots in line with what a&e have stated, and at times we may need to
> defend ourselves when our motives are questioned, but please, there's no
> need to assume the worst about anyone.
>
> insults and sarcastic replies can slam doors on good people, friends
> that you may have been able to convince (both directly and indirectly.)
> they devalue the message (however important) that you are trying to
> make.  they make you look bitter and petty, no matter how many
> supporters you claim to have, no matter how pure the motive, no matter
> how saintly the cause.  you deserve better.  we deserve better.  amy &
> emily deserve better from the list that bears their name.
>
> my thanks go out to all who have contributed to this thread in a
> positive manner.
>
> thanks for listening.
> take care,
> naz
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reply-to:     indigo jo <mts5@aber.ac.uk>
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from:         indigo jo <mts5@aber.ac.uk>
organization: prifysgol cymru - aberystwyth - university of wales
subject:      re: bertins west coast fiasco
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on tue, 13 feb 1996, michael bunch wrote:

> at 08:27 pm 2/12/96 est, bert brain wrote:
>
> >from what i know of you, that endorsement means as little as that
> thing you keep asking to let it grow.

well everyone, he's probably disappointed that his didn't grow as big as
he'd like ... how big is it mike, 3 inches ???

>
> shall i fill everyone in on your last west coast fantour fiasco.  you
> know the one.  it ended up in triple security checks for us "legitimate"
> guests and your little fan club were left with nothing but autograpghed photos
> and no "meet and greet" which, of course, cancelled that leg of the tour

well whaddaya know, mike bunch talks even more bullshit.   is this a bit
like your legendary tape dubs for lauree (note the spelling) shampine, mike?

> i knew you even before i knew you and the commenmts were not kind..
> i'm sure you and laurie make a lovely pair...

really.   you've already acknowledged that lauree is a lesbian.   that is
not exactly an auspicious start to their relationship is it?

>
> michael
>
>
> ps
>
> to the other members of the list, i would love to take this
> off the list but everyone seems to feel the need to get their
> oh so witty dig in.  if it bothers enough of you please write to
> them personally and make that request...thanks

don't reply to them then.   but of course we all know that you love to
get your little digs in too.   it was you who first posted an abusive
comment.   and it's not us who've been posing "fuck you", "they can't
bring themselves to say 'vagina'", and the homophobic comments about your
poxy psych course ... why don't you stop flaming and then we'll stop too
... or is that too much?

mat

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|  mts5@aber.ac.uk   |      for anyone, an absentee boss is best."     |
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from:         cojehali@aol.com
subject:      re: a even more modest proposal...

in a message dated 96-02-13 02:02:16 est, you write:

>those of us listies living in california or willing to road trip should
>all meet up in the city by the bay, cruise over to pier 39 or golden gate
>park or somewhere, break out the acoustic guitars, record a bunch of ig
>covers and release it as the indigo girls (mailing list) live in san
>fran!!!  we could even rent a big ol' sound system and a few 8-channel
>adats "chained" together to have... drumroll please... glorious 24-track
>digital straight from the mixing board. ;)

rofl!!  as a california listie, count me in!  maybe we should make this a
project for the cal-ig list party being planned for this summer? thanks for
bringing a little humor into a thread that was really starting to depress
me.......glad i can still count on some (most!) of you folks to bring a smile
to my face! :)

-connie

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subject:      re: in with the out crowd

i'd like to thank everyone who sent me info concerning this cd...also to
thank those who offered to tape it for me, but the good news is i found a
copy in new york. anyone else looking for a copy of the cd email me and i'll
give you the phone # .

thanks again
mjg

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from:         dianne <dianne@uci.edu>
subject:      re: bertins west coast fiasco
x-to:         indigo jo <mts5@aber.ac.uk>
in-reply-to:  <pine.osf.3.91.960213175042.32491b-100000@osfb.aber.ac.uk>

mat, mister bunch may or may not be vicious, deranged, or whatever, but
this response from you is uncalled for.

stop it! this is utterly ridiculous.
_______________________________________________________________________
on tue, 13 feb 1996, indigo jo wrote:

> on tue, 13 feb 1996, michael bunch wrote:
>
> > at 08:27 pm 2/12/96 est, bert brain wrote:
> >
> > >from what i know of you, that endorsement means as little as that
> > thing you keep asking to let it grow.
>
> well everyone, he's probably disappointed that his didn't grow as big as
> he'd like ... how big is it mike, 3 inches ???
>
> >
> > shall i fill everyone in on your last west coast fantour fiasco.  you
> > know the one.  it ended up in triple security checks for us "legitimate"
> > guests and your little fan club were left with nothing but autograpghed photos
> > and no "meet and greet" which, of course, cancelled that leg of the tour
>
> well whaddaya know, mike bunch talks even more bullshit.   is this a bit
> like your legendary tape dubs for lauree (note the spelling) shampine, mike?
>
> > i knew you even before i knew you and the commenmts were not kind..
> > i'm sure you and laurie make a lovely pair...
>
> really.   you've already acknowledged that lauree is a lesbian.   that is
> not exactly an auspicious start to their relationship is it?
>
> >
> > michael
> >
> >
> > ps
> >
> > to the other members of the list, i would love to take this
> > off the list but everyone seems to feel the need to get their
> > oh so witty dig in.  if it bothers enough of you please write to
> > them personally and make that request...thanks
>
> don't reply to them then.   but of course we all know that you love to
> get your little digs in too.   it was you who first posted an abusive
> comment.   and it's not us who've been posing "fuck you", "they can't
> bring themselves to say 'vagina'", and the homophobic comments about your
> poxy psych course ... why don't you stop flaming and then we'll stop too
> ... or is that too much?
>
> mat
>
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enough. enough. enough.

no more shit about sf, tearing down list members, or other incendiary
postings.  please.  pretty please.

between pat buchanan and the badmouthing some people (not all) are doing
here, it is turning into a royally bad week for me.  of course, the idea
of lamar alexander running the country doesn't help...

no more.

--mike

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subject:      in with the out crowd

  i've seen this cd mentioned a couple of times on the list, but
i never caught what it was.  could someone just post a description
of it (ie. where it was recorded and what songs are on it).

thanks
kevin mitchell

kmitchel@cs.utk.edu

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subject:      uno lakefront arena may 4 - thanks

i don't recall who posted it first, but i want to say thanks to the
person who posted the specific date and the phone number for no
ticketmaster.  i'm here to get info fast.  good info.  and i got it.
so thanks to everyone, and i'll see ya at the show.

btw, the 800 number (as if that mattered, after all) is 488-5252.

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subject:      re: romeo &juliet/ thoughts on the sf word wars...
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hey y'all...
        i hate to differ with most of you, but i really didn't care for
amy's rendering of r&j (and this is after listening to both back to
back).  i heard mark knopfler's version first at a very critical time in
my life, and it's stuck with me.  when i heard amy, i liked the power she
added to the song but it wrecked the visions i had when i heard it played.
        when mark sings it, i hear a disgust and some tenderness behind
the words...and his guitar work is just exquisite to boot.  amy conjures
up images of rage and passionate longing when she does the song on rop,
and the song has a drive behind it i didn't think possible.
        maybe it has something to do with mark's version being easier to
relate to because he's male (as am i).
        that being said, i have nothing but the highest regard for amy
and her music, and i think she was very courageous to attempt a song with
so much forcefulness, that mark intended with more finesse.

my head is on the chpooing block for anyone who wants to kick it around a
bit. :)

love, mike (messner, not bunch)

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subject:      dar williams thinks i'm an obsessed freak

anyway, last night i'm at the dar/joan concert and after "this was
pompeii" i ran up and gave her flowers. on the way back i tripped and the
whole theater laughed but that's ok. well during the intermission a guard
gave me two backstage passes which was really cool! after the show dar
was signing autogarphs and i told her i'd see her backstage. oh yeah, i
also wrote her a letter and told her how much i appreciated her music and
wanted to sing with her. twenty minutes later they told us that they
weren't letting anyone backstage. but being as insistent as i am i asked
to see her. well dar came out and started talking to me. then like the
idiot i was i asked if we could all go backstage. she said there wasn't
anything to see there. then the worst part i said i still wanted to sing
with her. she then got this weird look on her face and said she doesn't
do that. i think she meant that i meant i wanted to go into a recording
studio with her. but all i wanted to do was to jam with her for five
minutes or so. anyway, so we talked for five more minutes about back east
and how she was an intern for an opera comapny. at one time she actually
was thinking of becoming a classical singer. but anywya,bad grammer and
all,there's my dar story. god i feel stupid really stupid!
ben

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subject:      uno may 4th!

ya'll!
        i'm toatally stoked!  i just got my 4 tickets for the uno concert.
10th row!  rock!  i just had to share!  thanks, whoever posted the number.

closer to fine,
keith

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from:         lorinda wright <lw01@lehigh.edu>
subject:      re: romeo &juliet

the following is meant to be read with _lots_ of smiles. no sarcasm here! :)
and mike, if after you've read this you have no idea what i'm talking about,
ask me and i'll fill you in. ;)

>        i hate to differ with most of you, but i really didn't care for
>amy's rendering of r&j (and this is after listening to both back to
>up images of rage and passionate longing when she does the song on rop,
>and the song has a drive behind it i didn't think possible.

hey guy, *ahem* i hate to be the one to break this to you, but you're walking.
:) :) :)
>        maybe it has something to do with mark's version being easier to
>relate to because he's male (as am i).

that's understandable, but you're still walking! :)

>        that being said, i have nothing but the highest regard for amy
>and her music, and i think she was very courageous to attempt a song with
>so much forcefulness, that mark intended with more finesse.

well of course! as do we all, but you're _still_ walking! (at least for a
little while! :) :)

>my head is on the chpooing block for anyone who wants to kick it around a
>bit. :)

oh, i wouldn't dream of kicking you in the head, or in the chopping block, or
whatever, but you are walking! :) :)

driving (again, thanks yen!)
lorindigo

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lorinda wright           "learn to pretend there's more than love that
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subject:      re: romeo &juliet/ thoughts on the sf word wars...

on 13 feb 96 at 12:46, michael messner wrote:

> when mark sings it, i hear a disgust and some tenderness behind
> the words...and his guitar work is just exquisite to boot.  amy conjures
> up images of rage and passionate longing when she does the song on rop,
> and the song has a drive behind it i didn't think possible.
>         maybe it has something to do with mark's version being easier to
> relate to because he's male (as am i).

hmmm, well i must say i too heard knopfler's version first. i liked
it when i heard it, and i like it still. and i really dig knopfler's
guitar work.

that being said, i *love* amy's version. i love the anger, the rage,
the hurt, the passion, the drive. i totally identify with amy's
rendition of this song.

i, most respectfully, disagree with your comment about mark k. being
easier to identify with because he is male. i, too, am a male person.
but i identify more closely with amy's version than the dire straits
version. i think rather than a gender thing, it's a personal thing.
just mho.

peace y'all

dan "bassman" perkins

"although it was spontaneous, you'd think that it was well
planned. the day the bass players took over the world"
                                   -emily kaitz

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subject:      nigc -- j. edgar hoover

hi, i noticed that someone had put a hoover quote at the end of their
posting to the list (this was sometime between last friday afternoon
and monday afternoon). i meant to save it and jot it down and reference
it if i could but i accidently deleted it. (oh, how i miss snail mail
where i could just dive back into the trash can by my desk and retrieve
it).

anyway, this here college student would very much like that quote and (if
you are really feeling kind) where it came from.

thank you.
-jamie

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subject:      it was fun but i have had it....

i am ashamed to be a member of this is list. i am glad i am not american. i
am signing off.


a very disappointed ig-fan from holland.

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subject:      meet at jazz fest??

hi y'all:

sooo, how many of y'all are planning to attend the may 2 ig show at
jazz fest??

i will most definetly be there and would like to meet anyone who is
going to be there also too...

perhaps we could arrange to meet at the fairgrounds a little bit
before a+e are scheduled to start their show.??

anyone interested???

by the way... i am totally psyched about seeing a+e at jazz fest..
much coolness...

on the same day as a+e there is a dou called trout fishing in america
playing.. these guys are worth checking out.. very funny and great
musicians... just hope they aren't scheduled opposite a+e

peace y'all

dan "bassman" perkins
"although it was spontaneous, you'd think that it was well
planned. the day the bass players took over the world"
                                   -emily kaitz

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subject:      santa fe (not san francisco!)

does anyone know if there is a tape of last year's honor the earth concert at
paolo solari in santa fe floating around out there?

thanks,
kate

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date:         tue, 13 feb 1996 14:33:58 -0800
reply-to:     jparsons@ewu.edu
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from:         jamie parsons <jparsons@ewu.edu>
subject:      re: nigc--j.e. hoover

deb!

thank you! thank you! thank you!

that's the one alright! wish me luck and extra-credit in my history of
criminal justice class.

forever greatful,
-jamie

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reply-to:     brooke j primont <bprimon@mailhost.tcs.tulane.edu>
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from:         brooke j primont <bprimon@mailhost.tcs.tulane.edu>
subject:      re: ig tickets in no
x-to:         karen robinson <lynn@texas.net>
in-reply-to:  <199602121702.laa16007@millenium.texas.net>

ok everybody...so many people have been emailing me about specefic info,
so rather than emailing everyone separately, here goes the info:

they are playing at the jazz festival during the day on may 2(i think
it's a thursday) there is no need to get tickets for this in advance.
there's no such thing as the fairgrounds selling out. you just go there
the day of the show and buy a ticket..find out what stage they are
playing on and go to it!!! the only reason you might want to order these
tickets in advance is because they will be a few bucks cheaper(like $12
instead of $15), but other than that there is no stressing in terms of
this show. we will all be there.  the ticket you buy is for the whole
day, all different types of music, great new orleans food, crafts etc.
basically you should all be prepared for this to be the best day of your
life.

next, they have planned a separate show, like many artists do that
travel here, saturday night may 4th, at uno
lakefront arena.  it's a good size place but i have no doubt it will sell
out so call now!!!  the number for ticketmaster in no is 504-522-5555.
they are playing with joan baez and joan osborne. the tickets i got were
like $35(well worth it, although its a lot)  the show starts
at 9pm and i have a feeling it will be a long show.  i just read something
that said that in some cases, not to expect the headliners to get on
before 12:00!!! and im sure a and e will be really pumped, so again be
prepared for one of the best nights of your life.

i dont think i left anything out, but if i did just email me. oh, also
when you get here, you may want to pick up an issue of off beat.  its the
local music magazine-it's free- and it tells you everything you need to
know about whats going on around town. it will have a complete jazz fest
schedule- times, specific stages, etc.  as jazz fest gets closer, i will
post some great places to check out- places where all the tourists don't
frequent, where you can hear great music, with great ambiance, and not be
suffocated. if you haven't been to new orleans, or have never been to jazz
fest, you really have something to look forward to(besides the fact that
amy and emily are playing!!!!!)  i have been going to school here for
four years, so this is my last jazz fest---could i have asked for
anything better?

get your tickets!!!!
-brooke

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date:         tue, 13 feb 1996 15:42:55 -0800
reply-to:     "l. andrade" <andrade@az.com>
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from:         "l. andrade" <andrade@az.com>
subject:      roadtrip to no from wash state?
in-reply-to:  <pine.a32.3.91.960213164013.58375b-100000@rs5.tcs.tulane.edu>

i was just telling my mom i need a vacation... if anyone in washington
state or northern oregon wants to roadtrip to the shows in no i can help
with gas and such. i know my car wouldn't make it though, so you or a
friend would need to provide the auto. please get back to me asap so we
can order tickets and arrange for places to stay. i'm very serious so
don't worry about me backing out of the deal. :) getting time off from my
job will not be a problem. i live in bellingham wa but can make it to
anywhere within reason (my folks live near seattle).

kristina

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reply-to:     bertin lefkovic <indigboy@eden.rutgers.edu>
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from:         bertin lefkovic <indigboy@eden.rutgers.edu>
subject:      fan tour update

i just spoke with someone at the jazz festival regarding tickets.  she told
me that i could reserve a large bloc of tickets for the may 4th show at uno,
but it would have to be prepaid.  in the past, promoters have held tickets
for 30-60 days without payment.  thus, i will not be including tickets in
this package.  however, there are still a lot of tickets left.  the arena
holds just under 10,000 people, so if you call now, i am sure you can get
tickets.  i am currently talking to hotels and travel agencies about getting
discounted rates for hotel accomodations and possibly airfare.  the nights i
am working on for hotel accomodations are for friday may 3 and saturday may
4.  i am not doing anything with any of the jazzfest days during the week.
that scene is way too crazy for me and to endure it just to see ig play for
30-40 minutes is not my idea of a good time, but that's just me.  i hope
those of you who are seeing them on the 2nd have a good time.  however, i
think the lakefront arena show is the place to be.  anyway, i will post agin,
once i have a better idea of costs.  one travel agent is selling a hotel
package for those two nights at $141 per person.  this only includes hotel
accom for the 3rd and the 4th and atransportation to and from the airport.
that is a bit steep in my opinion.  if i had to charge that much to do
something like this, i would probably not bother.  then again, travel agents
are looking to make a profit, where i am not.  i am looking to have a good
time with a lot of wonderful ig fans and do it as cheaply as possible.

i can understand though, if many of you have changed your minds about
participating in this idea.  especially after what mike bunch said about me
and my previous work.  considering how much respect and esteem he has gained
since he has made his presence felt on the list, i am probably doomed.  he
has exposed me to be the failure that i am.  hopefully, some of you will
still decide to partake in the fiasco, if for no other reason than pity.

mike, i implore you.  please take back what you have said about me.  i am
just a simple person with very little self-esteem and your words have hurt me
very badly.  if you could please, pretty please with sugar on top, change
your feelings about me i would be so happy.  i would do anything.  i would
buy you a ticket to the uno show and get you a penthouse suite free of
charge.

yeah!!!  and maybe monkeys will fly out of my butt!!!

i apologize for the immature wayne's world reference, but i thought it was
called for in this situation.  have a nice day, and i look forward to hearing
from more of you soon.  thanks for the support so far.

let it grow

bert

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reply-to:     lisa hardaway <lhardawa@wscgate.wsc.edu>
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from:         lisa hardaway <lhardawa@wscgate.wsc.edu>
subject:      nigc-thanks regarding christianity question

          to everyone who responded to my plea for advice:  you are
          all very incredible people...i wish i could meet you all.  i
          don't feel so alone now.  i have been thinking a lot about
          what you all said and it really makes sense.  i find a lot
          of peace and comfort in god.  why would he torment me with
          feelings i have always had if they were not his will?  i
          don't think he would.  thank you for your support and
          advice.

          after i declared my christianity in june of 1994, (uncertain
          as i was) i often get questioned for not going to church.
          for those of you in this same boat, i found a passage in the
          bible that says one or more christians gathering in my name
          is a church. i don't have my bible here so i don't remeber
          exactly where i found this. i feel weird in congregations.
          bible study with others is much more fruitful and
          comfortable for me.

          matthew 17:20

               with the faith of a mustard seed
          towanda

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reply-to:     curtis lord <x94pxh@juliet.stfx.ca>
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from:         curtis lord <x94pxh@juliet.stfx.ca>
subject:      east - is anyone out there?
in-reply-to:  <9601138242.aa824262812@wscgate.wsc.edu>

is anyone on this list from eastern canada????
send me a private note to let me know.....
i just thought it would be neat to know if there is many more ig fans out
there  from down here (if that makes sense)

                                 xxx         xxx
curtis a. lord                     xxx     xxx
x94pxh@juliet.stfx.ca                xxx xxx
                                       xxx       marks the spot
sailing the seas of                  xxx xxx
st. francis xavier u.              xxx     xxx
antigonish, nova scotia.         xxx         xxx

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reply-to:     sharon <sharon@newt.phr.utexas.edu>
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from:         sharon <sharon@newt.phr.utexas.edu>
subject:      russell carter

does anyone have the phone number for russell carter's office?

take care all
sharon

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reply-to:     randy rohrer <rohrer@seas.gwu.edu>
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from:         randy rohrer <rohrer@seas.gwu.edu>
subject:      re: minimal igc: www pages of folk artists

"christopher m. becker" <cmbecker@space.mit.edu> writes:
>
>.....so i thought i'd start a list of www pages and let people add to it

no need for more sweat.. simply point your web browsers to folkbook:

          http://www.cgrg.ohio-state.edu/folkbook/

it's the work of our former list-meister and his wacky co-horts.
(ahh  yes.... the time of a much different community.....
               .......  a time of "sense and sensibility". )


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the george washington university   |  - gary bolton, rivergod
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from:         randy rohrer <rohrer@seas.gwu.edu>
subject:      repent! .....  for the end of the world is upon us

   just look at the state of the ig-list.
   there can be no other explanation.

   this list and the world will self-destruct in exactly 10 days.

   prepare thyself.

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from:         carlisle stockton <cdsjff@aol.com>
subject:      re: road trips

lorinda asked:  "so folks, what's the farthest
you've ever travelled for the _sole_ purpose of seeing an ig-related event?
what's your story? "

well, for last year's honor the earth tour, my partner and i flew from ny to
la for the san diego and santa monica shows.  no other agenda, we just flew
in on friday and left sunday morning.  crazy or what?  and you know we'd do
it again ;-)

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subject:      re: farthest roadtrip
x-to:         sunny <sun@swcp.com>
in-reply-to:  <v01510109ad46005c611f@[204.134.0.221]>

:) hey ya'll--

i'd love to answer this, but i haven't ever seen the indigo girls ... yet... but
soon i'll be able to answer with "miami to new orleans"-- that is if i don't
explode before may!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:)
rick
(ex-oracle)
*waitin' for the light to shine*

(now playing/strange fire)

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subject:      re: shine my life
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dan- great idea about having a list get-together in new orleans!

i'm there!!!!!


rick
*waitin' for the light to shine*

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subject:      i got the ways and means to new orleans

... i'm going down by the river where it's warm and green....


cool!!!!! the news of this second show has me sooo psyched!!
i'll actually be going up with my dad and my brother for spring break, but since
my brother starts school on that monday the 6, we have to leave the 4th... so...
i'm buying a ticket for the second show and i'll go greyhound
home!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
this is sooooo  rad!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:)
rick

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