lifeblood: listlogs: 1996-02c

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date:         tue, 13 feb 1996 23:14:11 +2000
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subject:      re: farthest roadtrip

>date:         tue, 13 feb 1996 20:31:29 -0800
>reply-to: rbsayre@interserv.com
>from: rick b sayre <rbsayre@interserv.com>
>subject:      re: farthest roadtrip
>to: multiple recipients of list indigo-girls
>              <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
>
>:) hey ya'll--
>
>i'd love to answer this, but i haven't ever seen the indigo girls ... yet...
but
>soon i'll be able to answer with "miami to new orleans"-- that is if i don't
>explode before may!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>:)
>rick
>(ex-oracle)
>*waitin' for the light to shine*

i'm with rick on this one...only i haven't seen the indigo girls yet but
hopefully after this summer i'll be able to say "wisconsin to newport"
hopefully...keep your fingers crossed y'all =)

peace and hugs,
nicole

cool frienship quotes (dedicated to all my friends and my bestest bud jaime)

"what is a friend? a single soul dwelling within two bodies"--aristotle

"leaving ain't fair, you know, parting ain't just. people got to move on,
people got to do what they must...and we're back together again. and i'm never gonna lose you as a friend..."--emily saliers (ig)

in a message dated 96-02-09 21:06:52 est, verdi@imap2.asu.edu writes:

>8. pilates' dream (me and jan,i think)

you betcha, ben!!!

i cant wait!

jan

in a message dated 96-02-11 15:16:01 est, lhardawa@wscgate.wsc.edu (lisa
hardaway) writes:

> i'm not sure .....but i think it is safe for all of the
> happy people on the list to post again.

cool towanda! i was still hiding under the bed!! =)

jan

on tue, 13 feb 1996, randy rohrer wrote:

>    just look at the state of the ig-list.
>    there can be no other explanation.
>
>    this list and the world will self-destruct in exactly 10 days.
>
        oh no it can't do - i'm getting married in 18 days and visting
florida in 20 !! can't the end of the world delay itself for about 4
weeks please ......

jules

hi -

i first her the mk version of r&j years before the ig version. i
likes it even then. when i heard the ig version it put a whole new slant
on the lyrics and the tone of the tune. to a point where i play the song
myself as a cross between the two. it was strange to hear the amy version
because it was so different but i feel this is more of how it was meant
to be .. kinda like the tune went through puberty or something and has
all of this rage to vent !!

either way this all boils down to a thread of a while back about
cover songs - the thing about ig is that the songs they cover ( at leat
the ones i recognise ) have been interpreted to fit their own meaning and
have been give a new life, witness watchtower or tangled ... more over
they serve as a method of introducing the listner to some other artists
they might want to listen to - most of the uk has never heard of buffy sm
but i'm gonna work hard to find some !!

cheers - jules

naz wrote
"but amy, oh amy, how you sang it the way i needed it sung!"

and

dan perkins wrote

"... i *love* amy's version. i love the anger, the rage,
the hurt, the passion, the drive. i totally identify with amy's
rendition of this song."

you said it naz and dan.

love helene

at 05:59 pm 2/13/96 +0000, some size queen named mat wrote:

>well everyone, he's probably disappointed that his didn't grow as big as
>he'd like ... how big is it mike, 3 inches ???

gee,  mat i guess it is true what they say about you.
the two things you hate the most are:
                                                                    1.  size
queens &
                                                                    2.
small penises

michael

lauree,

i hope you can accept the above
as an offering of peace...

michael

at 06:48 pm 2/13/96 est, monkey butt wrote:

>mike, i implore you. please take back what you have said about me.

oh, okay, just this time though.

>i am just a simple person with very little self-esteem and your
>words have hurt me very badly.

keep repeating bert..."sticks & stones", "sticks & stones"

>if you could please, pretty please with sugar on top, change
>your feelings about me i would be so happy.

it's a one day at a time thing bert, but we're okay today.

>i would do anything.

check with mat on that one, he's the penis groupie.
and i'm sure he wouldn't mind if you let it grow

>i would buy you a ticket to the uno show and get
> you a penthouse suite free of charge.

that's sweet but i couldn't in good conscience ask
you for all that. but it was a more than generous offer.

>yeah!!! and maybe monkeys will fly out of my butt!!!

oh bert, have you started inserting those monkeys into your rectum
again. it's so unsanitary and has the potential to do quite serious
damage.

stick with the gerbils, i know you need a whole lot more of them
to get the job done but it will be much better for you in the long run.

happy trails...

michael :-)

happy valentines day everybody !

people have been posting ways that ig have touched their hearts and i just
thought i'd add my personal experience. keep in mind i am writing this at
4:45am. i am tired and feeling rather emotional. i need to release and
figured you guys would understand. i know tomorrow i will read this and be
very embarassed that i sent it out to the list. ;) something about
opening my heart and letting the secrets out for a spin.

today i have been playing ghost over and over because i'm attempting to
exorcise my personal demons. all day i've been seeing in my mind the past
4 valentine's days and the person i spent them with (the "love of my life"
-- it's so funny how i think that nobody else could possibly understand
how much it kills to no longer have this person in my life, but i then
realize almost everyone has someone like this they're carrying around
inside! it's why ghost touches so many of us... a universal experience
that transcends all, letting go of someone you deeply love.) well it's
been 7 months since we've spoken and i'm still waking up in the morning
and breathing. this is a good sign. i feel a part of me has been killed,
so i'm still numb in certain ways. i really dont know where i'd be without
ig, their passion, and their lyrics. you know the ones that make you say
"yes! right there! that is *exactly* how it feels." i know the fact i can
feel the pain is better than being totally cut off from it.

anyway, i credit a+e for helping me to accept the hurt and all the shit
i've been feeling these last 2 months. i was pretty heavy into denial the
first several months and i'm finally allowing myself to just let it hurt.

of course there have been the many, many happy periods of my life where
a+e have added so much to the joy of just being *alive* -- man, i cant
wait to get back to that! :) this is the main reason i'm so enthusiastic
about organizing a roadtrip from the nw to no -- i need something like
this that will totally jumpkick me back into life. :) i need to do
something adventurous and nutty and just have some fun. *grin*

i know most of you out there can identify with what i'm saying. thanks for
reading this far, and thanks for listening, i feel even better now.

my compass, faith in love's perfection
i missed ten million miles of road i should have seen...

>   just look at the state of the ig-list.
>   there can be no other explanation.
>
>   this list and the world will self-destruct in exactly 10 days.
>
>   prepare thyself.

you know, deb reiser and i were having a conversation last night about all
the strange things that are happening locally and in the world at large
(michael jackson re-instating jew-bashing lyrics, the ig list, pat buchanan
still in the race...). we both decided that there is some cosmic alignment
of some sort that just has everyone freaking out (like that episode of
x-files a couple of weeks ago). maybe valentine's day will be the
culmination of all the wierdness and then life will go back to normal. (hey,
michael bunch, your birthday wouldn't be any time soon, would it? :)

one can only hope.

:dwayne

djarrell@ix.netcom.com
"some people believe in god / like they believe in knocking on wood /
religion is a picture window / life is not a pretty picture"
- patty "best hair in folk music" larkin

delurking on this holiday to bring you valentines day thoughts...
a friend of mine asked yesterday

q: why do those valentine heart candies taste like tums?
a: to make an annoying holiday even more unpleasant

and an alternate was

a: because love makes my stomach hert.

dat's all...
alexis heading back into lurk mode..

thanks for the happy birthday's :)

greetings all,

well i know there are quite a few people on this list who will
revel in my humiliation at my recent discovery.  there are a
number of people here i owe an apology to.  not exactly for
what i said but for why i said it.  so for that i do apologize.

the people who i want to thank are the ones who've known me
through the years on this and other lists and saw beyond my
vitriolic diatribes and could see that something was not quite
right. to those dear friends my warmest thanks.

at the risk of sounding maudlin, i recently lost someone very
close to me to aids and i didn't know how to let him go. i was
reading to him, holding his hand when he just slipped away.

i have always been the strong one, the caretaker. you know, no
problems, only solutions. i was the one who people came to for
advice or suggestions and got the job done.

people came to me with their problems and i could be the universe
and listen and let them vent and work through it. but i could never do
the same because i didn't want to bring anyone down and i always wanted
to keep up that positive exterior.

now i was faced with a situation where i didn't have anyplace to turn and i felt
sort of weak for not being able to handle it. so instead, i turned it
inward and
took it out on others. and, unfortunately, it was usually people that i
cared about.

well, as fate would have it, i was listening to the radio tonight while
proof-reading
an article i'm writing. and i'm sitting back, sipping some tea and taking a
break when
all of a sudden the radio fills the room the following lyrics:

secure yourself to heaven.
hold on tight, the night has come.
fasten up your earthly burdens,
you have just begun.

i just lost it, everything just seemed to make sense and i felt like a weight
had been lifted off my shoulders. i know "secure yourself" is about amy's
cat dying. but for that brief moment it was about my friend and me finally
being able to let him go and say goodbye.

thanks for listening...

michael

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date:         wed, 14 feb 1996 10:09:20 est
reply-to:     "christopher m. becker" <cmbecker@space.mit.edu>
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from:         "christopher m. becker" <cmbecker@space.mit.edu>
subject:      re: r&j
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              96 9:52 am

> have been give a new life, witness watchtower or tangled ... more over
> they serve as a method of introducing the listner to some other artists
> they might want to listen to - most of the uk has never heard of buffy sm
> but i'm gonna work hard to find some !!

ironically enough i was checking out the folk section in hmv - harvard
sq last night and they carried a buffy st. marie section. i looked
for a recording of bmhawk but i didn't see one and after dropping $60
bucks on dar and joan tickets (v-day gift--she's gonna love them =))
i didn't feel like i could take a risk on it.

anyway jules, check out one of your hmv's in the uk. if its here, it
may be there....

-- chris

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hey out there....

is anyone from the new england area planning on road tripping down for the
no jazz festival??? i really really want to go, but i don't think i can go
it alone...soooooo....e mail me if ya are, okay?? i'd like to try and get
tickets asap.... thanks!! :)

sue

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date:         wed, 14 feb 1996 14:43:01 +0000
reply-to:     indigo jo <mts5@aber.ac.uk>
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from:         indigo jo <mts5@aber.ac.uk>
organization: prifysgol cymru - aberystwyth - university of wales
subject:      re: repent! ..... for the end of the world is upon us
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on wed, 14 feb 1996, dwayne d. jarrell wrote:

> you know, deb reiser and i were having a conversation last night about all
> the strange things that are happening locally and in the world at large
> (michael jackson re-instating jew-bashing lyrics, the ig list, pat buchanan
> still in the race...). we both decided that there is some cosmic alignment
> of some sort that just has everyone freaking out (like that episode of
> x-files a couple of weeks ago). maybe valentine's day will be the
> culmination of all the wierdness and then life will go back to normal. (hey,
> michael bunch, your birthday wouldn't be any time soon, would it? :)

michael jackson singing jew-bashing lyrics? which song (and which
lines)? hey, what happened to "it don't matter if you're black or you're
white"?

mat

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i'm suprised noone responded to my dar story. someone write me back and
soothe my anxiety about this situation.
thanks,
ben

i guess ebony and ivory are ok, as long as your not olive or bronze.

if indeed he is jew-bashing. i try not to keep up with micheal.

regarding -------------------

michael jackson singing jew-bashing lyrics? which song (and which
lines)? hey, what happened to "it don't matter if you're black or you're
white"?

mat

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hey, all, just had to post about my wonderful valentine's day so far!

first, awakened by a phone call at 8:30am *groan*, but with a job offer
*cheer*, so now i have a research assistantship, which means extra money,
which means...

hello, ticketmaster? you have two 16th row seats for me for the no show?
yipee!!!!

anyone need a ride? i'll be leaving from ok and can swing through texas
(sal-ray, wanna lift? :).

see you all in may!!!

mooch

i promised towanda that would type a copy of this article up and email her
with it, but i thought maybe there are others on the list who would be
interested. it is quite lengthy though, so you might want to go ahead and
delete now if you are not interested.

gay christian activism
by john young

some gays and lesbians remember their christian upbringing as a source of
emotional ostracism. faced with what is believed to be a conflict between
religion and "lifestyle," they may have turned to beliefs other than
christianity.

some, however, have not left their church. they chose to either not discuss
their sexuality, or they allowed others to accept it. and now some
disenfranchised gays and lesbians are even returning to the christian
message. gay christian activism is becoming a recognizable force in the
social arena.

cindy abel, executive director of stonewall cincinnati, recently gave a
sermon titled "take back the power" at the new spirit metropolitan
community church in clifton. in light of the emergence of gay christian
activism locally and nationally, i've chosen to provide a few excerpts from
the sermon text.

"for many of us, it is no small miracle that we find ourselves in church
tonight. if you're like me, you grew up going to church and possibly sunday
school. whether you liked it or not, it was a part of your heritage. but
then you started hearing these messages that pierced your heart. the church
was no longer a safe place. you couldn't sing the hymns you once loved with
the same enthusiasm, and bible verses were used not to unite and empower
but to divide and condemn. until one day you stopped going, and a part of
you began to die.

"take the terms 'christian' or 'traditional values' -- do you cringe when
you hear them? then take back the power. are you a christian or a follower
of christ? then say so and don't allow their divisive words and unloving
actions to define the word for others. start talking about your values --
hard work, respect, dignity, compassion, love, commitment. i'm not sure
they reflect the america of the past given the way this country has treated
people of color, women or even people of different religions, but i hope
that is where we are headed.

"stop repeating the radical right's propaganda for them. each time we say,
'cincinnati is so conservative, so bigoted, they hate us here,' or we tell
people, 'don't stand up, you'll be the only one,' ... we drive ourselves
and each other further into the closet. you heard the saying, 'you are what
you think.' what are you thinking? whose words are you repeating? they may
have kicked us out of church, but they can't take the church out of us.

"in thinking what might be holding you back, let me ask you -- is there
someone you need to forgive? is there someone to whom you give so much
power that just by thinking of them you go crazy? what about the radical
right, in general, or the faces of their supporters who are familiar to us?
are you locked in a prison of hatred and hostility that keeps you from
being the powerful loving person you are?

"in closing, let me ask you -- what will you do to take back the power? you
may say, 'cindy, i'm just not political. you go, girl, but that's not me.'
well, in a city where loving someone is grounds enough to fire you and in a
country where in many places acting upon that love is a felony, you are
political! if you are gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgendered, the personal
is political -- so you'll need to find another reason not to show your
power."

i hope this helps.
sherry

i'm driving to new orleans from south bend, in for the may 4th show...i'm
just wondering if anyone wants to ride with me. let me know...

carol
jone3176@saintmarys.edu.

does anyone know for sure what the law is regarding life insurance
beneficiaries?  my partner and i just bought a house together and applied
for new life insurance policies.  the insurance company is giving us a hard
time about our beneficiaries (each other) because they say that a named
beneficiary has to "incur a financial hardship due to the death of the
insured."  they finally conceded this to be the case since we own a house
togeher, but i also wanted to include another friend as a beneficiary, and
they are balking at that.  i say it's none of their business who it is.
does anyone know for sure?  has anyone else been through this?

hi friends,

well, the farthest i've ever traveled to see an ig show was sunrise,
fl. this is probably a 45 minute drive from wpb. however, four years ago my
better half and i camped out for 10 hours at the sun fest in west palm beach
to insure the best seats in the house. emily was probably no more than 10
feet away from me :) :) :)
now i can die happy :) :) :) :) :) :) :)

annie

karen, that sounds like a bunch of crap. i have farmers new world life
and i named a dear, dear friend as beneficiary (because i trust her to
take care of my son with the money if i were to meet with an untimely
death) and they didn't even question it! perhaps it's a state-thing? what
state are you in? call the insurance commissioner of your state and ask.
i seriously don't think that who the money goes to is ever an issue.
kinda sounds like harassment to me, in a mild way.
--di

on wed, 14 feb 1996, karen mcelhaney wrote:

> does anyone know for sure what the law is regarding life insurance
> beneficiaries?  my partner and i just bought a house together and applied
> for new life insurance policies.  the insurance company is giving us a hard
> time about our beneficiaries (each other) because they say that a named
> beneficiary has to "incur a financial hardship due to the death of the
> insured."  they finally conceded this to be the case since we own a house
> togeher, but i also wanted to include another friend as a beneficiary, and
> they are balking at that.  i say it's none of their business who it is.
> does anyone know for sure?  has anyone else been through this?
>
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in the latest issue of "guitar", the editors are raving over a new band
called "california guitar trio". some quotes from the magazine:

"the trio can do more with acoustics than most bands can do with two
electrics, a bass, and drums. rarely do you see acoustic guitars get the
kind of workout that they were given by the trio, and it far exceeded our
expectations."

"...a group that guitar shop editor pete brown believes may be the future of
acoustic guitar."

has anyone heard of this group?

rob sticka

national aeronautics and space administration
goddard space flight center
greenbelt, maryland 20771

hubble space telescope project
flight assurance manager
phone: 301-286-8455
fax: 301-286-1779

i've been reading this for a while now, and still have no idea where
to find information on tours... any assistance would be much appreciated.

[ daniel drucker / dmd@student.umass.edu / n2sxx ]

   all with hope
   all with hope
   that emptiness brings fullness
   and loss of love brings wholeness
   to us all

on wed, 14 feb 1996 verdi@imap2.asu.edu wrote:

> i'm suprised noone responded to my dar story. someone write me back and
> soothe my anxiety about this situation.
> thanks,
> ben
>

well i don't think i can help you with the anxiety part, but it
reinforces the reason i don't hang around after shows to try to meet a & e.
what could i possibly say to them they haven't already heard a zillion
times? i think i would feel like a big goof. plus i have a crush on amy
so i am a bit frightened of her. one cross look and i would be devastated.

paulal

michael, grow up- as a high school teacher i have to deal with that sort of
stuff in classrooms - i don't expect to find it when i come home to my
account. i at least expect to be reading stuff from semi-intelligent beings,
who know where the time and the place is!
the place that this seems to be so far is not why i subsribed.... i like ig
and thought i could glean some more info about them.....not learn about
people's inadequacies and ignorant behaviour.

ginni
(then again i am just a 'newbie' to this newsgroup, so having a degree in
computing science obviously counts for nothing, as i guess somenone needs to
hold my hand to help me through this! being a newbie to this group does not
mean that you are a complete novice! be a little less aggressive, and a
little more grown up and most of us will get along just fine!)

hello out there!

where is everyone?? i've only received one message from the list in
about two days, so i take it i'm still connected, hmm??!!

andrew

quote for today, originally from ernest hemingway (i believe):

"the world breaks us all. some of us become stronger at the broken places."

that quote reminds me of the song "ghost".

--dianne
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in a message dated 96-02-13 23:37:54 est, rick-who-was-once-oracle writes:

>i haven't ever seen the indigo girls ... yet... but
>soon i'll be able to answer with "miami to new orleans"-- that is if i don't
>explode before may!!!!!!!!!!!!!

if you do, may i have your tickets? ;) just kidding; not funny, i know,
but i'm reaching 'cause i have to go dig my car out again and that makes me
sulk. . . .

to all who are going to the 5/4/96 no show -- can anybody who lives in that
area tell me whether there are any reasonably inexpensive hotel/motels that
still have locks on the doors? :) i can't afford to fly down, much less
spend $100+ per night on a hotel room. . . and nj is too far to just go to
no, see ig, and drive back up same night. . . 'tho i did something similar
once, years ago, to see jerry garcia. . . . . ack. i'm rambling.
sorrrreeee!

danna

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date:         wed, 14 feb 1996 19:41:41 cst
reply-to:     chris schlueter <s344@nemomus.bitnet>
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from:         chris schlueter <s344@nemomus.bitnet>
subject:      finally, peace?

i was playing some ig songs with a friend of mine today, and i came
across the lyrics for "you and me of the 10000 wars" in the nis guitar
book.i hadn't heard that song in ages! anyhow, some of the lyrics seemed
a little appropriate for the list, sff and all, so,.....

    "....after the battle and we're still around,
         everything once up in the air has settled down;
         sweep the ashes, let the silence find us.
         a moment of peace is worth every war behind us.

you and me of the 10000 wars....."

      god, do i love those girls!
       happy indigoings to y'all,
                              chris

hey y'all. i did the most impulsive, rash, reckless, non- "me" thing today...
i whipped out the visa and bought two tickets to the may 4 show at uno.
here's the nutty part: i live in colorado! now, i probably am not breaking
any long-distance records, but it is a helluva drive from here to
looziana, so is anyone...anyone at all...from my great state going down
for the jazz fest/ can we go together?

if i don't get any response, in a few weeks i'll be posting my two 17th
row tickets for sale :( look for that one.....

susan

smarine@cc.colorado.edu

happy birthday raised to the "power of two" !!!!!! :))

<daniel m drucker (dmd@student.umass.edu) wrote:>
>
>i've been reading this for a while now, and still have no idea where
>to find information on tours... any assistance would be much appreciated.
>
they're taking a break from touring until '87 but are scheduled to play
both the new orleans jazz festival and the newport folk festival.

for info on touring in '87 and beyond, check the sony web site:
http://www.music.sony.com/music/artistinfo/indigogirls/

as long as you're webbing it, you should also check out:
http://www.tezcat.com/~mtp/ig/html/ig-page.html
http://www.hidwater.com/lifeblood/

alan fleming
14 year old indigo girls wizard

--
think peace.
- alan (alanf@dorje.com)
kotbbbb (1988 gsxr1100j) racebike (ft500) dod# 4210 pgp key available

on wed, 14 feb 1996, alan fleming wrote:

oooh, time-warp, time-warp...

> they're taking a break from touring until '87 but are scheduled to play
> both the new orleans jazz festival and the newport folk festival.

alan means '97, of course (at least, i *hope* he does, i don't think i
can wait 91 years!)...

happy happy all,
-sherlyn
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
piquet the cat - piquet@geko.net.au; aka sherlyn koo - sherlyn@geko.net.au
        "i've never had a way with women,
        but the hills of iowa make me wish that i could,
        and i've never found a way to say i love you,
        but if the chance came by, oh i, i would."
                - dar williams, "iowa"

i apologize for the gibberish. please read this message in its entirety if
you are interested in the new orleans ig fan tour. talk to y'all soon.

let it grow

bert
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hello all.  things are firming up a little bit more for the no fan tour.
most of the good/decent hotels have been booked up by travel agaencies who
are puting together jazzfest packages for exorbitant prices.  i think i might
have found a pretty good one and i don't think it will cost too much.  right
now i haven't found rooms at regular rates for under $300 a night.  i spoke
to this guy at the hyatt regency who could give me 15-25 rooms for two nights
at $200 a night, which at 4 people to a room comes to $50 per person per
night or $100 per person.  as expensive as that is, it is probably better
than any of us will be able to do on our own.  it is possible to get
something cheaper at one of the airport motels, but the people i have spoken
to say that is a bad way to go.  lousy area and poor access to  downtown, the
french quarter, and the jazzfest performances.  so i want to know?  should i
go with this deal or keep looking for something cheaper.  i would rather pay
a little more for something a little bit more comfortable and accessible, but
i can understand if the rest of you don't feel that way.  i will be talking
to this guy tomorrow night, so i would like to find out what thoseof you who
are interested think about this?  i need to make a decision by 4:00
tomorrow afternoon est.  also, i would also be able to work it that
you can contact the hotel directory and purchase a space in the group
through the hotel, using a credit card.  this way, none of the money
has to go through me and i have less responsibility than in the past.
once i have worked out all of the details, i will post the phone
number to call to reserve a space.

as far as airfare goes, the best bet is valuejet.  unfortunately, they
only service about 24 cities.  they wouldn't give me a group rate, but
their existing rates are pretty good if you can get a 21-day fare.
they haven't started taking reservations for may yet, but once they
do, the good rates are going to sell out fast.  they told me that they
should start booking for may by the end of the month, but i would call
them on a daily basis, or at least every few days.  their phone number
is (800)825-8538.

i might also be chartering a bus or two to take our group to the
concert on 5/4.  it would probably cost between $15-20 per person.
everybody in that fucking city is looking to get loaded off this
event.  let me know if you are interested in this, or if you would
rather handle your own transportation.  i don't need to make a
decision about the bus right away, but i will probably need to make a
decision by the end of this month.

to get the above rate, i need to fill 15-25 rooms.  this means 60-100
people and he will probably only be able to hold these rooms until the
end of the month.  thus, we need to make decisions and make them
rather quickly.  i would like to be moving on this asap, so let me
know where you stand and if this thing is going to fly.  if you
haven't gotten a ticket for this, do so asap.  the lakefront arena is
a pretty big place (9,500-10,000 seats) but i have a feeling that it
is going to sell out pretty soon.

i really hope this works out.  the last fan tour was a blast.  this
one could be as good if not better.  the rooms are for friday night
5/3 and saturday night 5/4.  if this works out, i will probably be
able to get a conference room orsomething like that in the hotel and
we can have a massive party the night before the ig show.  who knows?
maybe we could even invite ig to come as the guests of honor.  if the
last fan tour proved anything, it proved that for every four ig fans,
there is at least one guitar.  imagine 15-25 guitars in one room
jamming ig tunes all night long.  we could have a live indicated on
audio and video tapes.  i am getting very excited.  let's make this
happen.  talk to y'all soon.

let it grow

bert

ps - this is not limited to just the list. if you know anyone,
anywhere who loves ig and wants to be a part of this, let them know
about it. anyone and everyone is welcome.

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i am writing to tell you all about an awful experience.  today, while at
work, someone came in the delivery person door to my restaurant and stole
my backpack.  i work downtown, and our restaurant occupies a small part
of a large building, so while i was calling to cancel checks/credit
cards/etc, my boss went to look around the bldg to see if maybe the pack
and my school books got dumped.  well, fortunately he found it.
unfortunately, there was one thing missing:  my ig 1200 curfews cd.  now,
a sixteen year old male took it, and i am extremely upset, because i'm
sure he just sold it back to one of the 20 record stores here, and now i
do not own my cd anymore.  when i found out, i wanted to cry.  what's
worse?  well, because of a build-up of bills right now, i will not be
able to purchase this cd for nearly a month or more again, considering
the cost, unless maybe i can find my cd again in a used bin...but it will
still be fourteen or so dollars, and used ig stuff usually disappears
within a day.  i am so depressed.  i cried for twenty minutes.  see, my
boyfriend bought me that cd, and last night, on valentine's eve, we got
into a really stupid fight.  it resulted in him pushing me around, and me
running out scared.  when he bought me the cd, it was a total surprise,
and i brought it to work specifically to listen to in order to think
about our relationship.   now he may be gone, the cd is gone, and it's
v-day at eleven pm and i am totally in a hole, because he has my cd
player, and all of my ig cds, so i can't listen to anything...and i'm
afraid to call him because i'm afraid it's over and i don't know what to
do....sorry for ramblin'...today is the day nothin' went my way....

"oh what a day,
oh what a day..."

shel silverstein--"oh what a day"

waiting for the sun to shine...
aim

i am sorry if i have offended any republicans on this list. i know there are
a small minority of republicans who are actually nice, caring, decent people
who aren't interested in persecuting anyone because of their race, religion,
gender, or sexual preference and are just tired of paying taxes. but if you
were so wonderful, what the hell are you doing being republican.

i am sorry.  i am in a bad mood.  pat buchanan is probably going to be the
next president and when that happens, i am going to move to australia.  i
hear that it's a wonderful place and they have very nice people there (for
example, our very own sherlyn/piquet).  plus, i love the way australians
talk.  it is my second favorite sounding language in the world (1st being
petwa (i think i spelled that wrong) which is spoke in jamaica - another
place i would consider moving when pat buchanan becomes president - great
people and the best marajuana in the world).  i have gotten off of my point.
actually, i don't think i ever had a point.  ah, i just remembered my point.

i was wondering if any of you in the massachusets/new hampshire/vermont/maine
area wanted to get together this monday and/or tuesday in new hampshire for a
little rabble-rousing and troublemaking. the primary is tuesday and the
nazis are going to be out in full force. i just want to shake things up a
little bit, but i am not prepared to take on pat buchanan's stormtroopers and
the hitler youth all by myself.

if you're interested in making a day or two out of it, i think this could be
a lot of fun. i know that philandering meatball, bill clinton, is not the
greatest, but he's all we've got. four more years!!! four more years!!!

let it grow

bert

oops :} in my haste i forgot to tell y'all who is having a bday....it's
janinsdale :}} sorry...this is an ever evolving process for me....b4n
rachel :)

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from:         jason patrick skiba <skibajas@pilot.msu.edu>
subject:      re: minimal igc, but...
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              "sweet jane" at feb 14, 96 11:01:04 pm

sweety,
    i'm sorry such an awful thing happened on such a ...well, semi-joyous
holiday.  :( :)   just remember, there are people in michigan who have it
worse.
    just think you could be a dole supporter!! :)
jason
>
> i am writing to tell you all about an awful experience.  today, while at
> work, someone came in the delivery person door to my restaurant and stole
> my backpack.  i work downtown, and our restaurant occupies a small part
> of a large building, so while i was calling to cancel checks/credit
> cards/etc, my boss went to look around the bldg to see if maybe the pack
> and my school books got dumped.  well, fortunately he found it.
> unfortunately, there was one thing missing:  my ig 1200 curfews cd.  now,
> a sixteen year old male took it, and i am extremely upset, because i'm
> sure he just sold it back to one of the 20 record stores here, and now i
> do not own my cd anymore.  when i found out, i wanted to cry.  what's
> worse?  well, because of a build-up of bills right now, i will not be
> able to purchase this cd for nearly a month or more again, considering
> the cost, unless maybe i can find my cd again in a used bin...but it will
> still be fourteen or so dollars, and used ig stuff usually disappears
> within a day.  i am so depressed.  i cried for twenty minutes.  see, my
> boyfriend bought me that cd, and last night, on valentine's eve, we got
> into a really stupid fight.  it resulted in him pushing me around, and me
> running out scared.  when he bought me the cd, it was a total surprise,
> and i brought it to work specifically to listen to in order to think
> about our relationship.   now he may be gone, the cd is gone, and it's
> v-day at eleven pm and i am totally in a hole, because he has my cd
> player, and all of my ig cds, so i can't listen to anything...and i'm
> afraid to call him because i'm afraid it's over and i don't know what to
> do....sorry for ramblin'...today is the day nothin' went my way....
>
> "oh what a day,
> oh what a day..."
>
> shel silverstein--"oh what a day"
>
> waiting for the sun to shine...
> aim
>
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east lansing, mi 48825
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lemonade for sale. ten cents.

"push down, push down on the waterbed."
mrs. amsler (my econ professor)

"i'm not a cartoon character, but i play one on tv."
politeness man

"be an original, if it means being a little eccentric, so be it."
"life's little instructions vol. ii"

hey y'all. i just thought i'd tell y'all about a great soundtrack. i'm
sure you guys have heard of it, but what the heck?? it has a great song
by mary chapin carpenter, and 1 by michelle shocked.here are some of the
other artists :bruce springsteen, johnny cash, suzanne vega, lyle lovett,
eddie vedder & nusrat fateh ali khan (a pakastani singer), tom waits,
steve earle, and patti smith. get it if ya can!! have a great day!!
love,katie ><}}}">

hello all,

does anyone know where i can obtain a copy of the purple parrot
recording? any clues would be much appreciated.

cheers,
laura

hi guys.

i'm very excited because my friend bought me the coolest of valentine
presents yesterday...an imported ig cd from germany called 'nothing
to hide'...it's a cd of a 1994 concert and has about 17 songs on it i
think...i got home really late last night and have only had a chance
to play the first few tracks. anyway, i'm on cloud 9...does anyone
else have this cd...i've not heard it mentioned before...i have a
feeling it cost a lot of money...but i didn't even know it existed.

is there anyone from germany on the list? are there other cd's that
i don't know about.

don't you just love it when you think you've reached the end of the
maze, only to find there's another corner to go round and another
path to take

talk to y'all later

love helene

ok, i started this, so i will respond quickly and then take it off the list.
in one song on history (i don't know which, because i sure as hell don't own
it!), michael included the lyrics "jew me, sue me, like me, kike me"  (i
think that's right).  well, for some strange reason (note sarcasm), some
people found this offensive.  so he re-recorded that track for the cd.  and
michael got a whole primetime special out of it ('re-writing history')  now
he is filming the video for that song with <black supremist extraordinaire>
spike lee.  and they are apparently using the original, offensive version of
the song.  i got this all from mtv.

the bottom line, i guess, is that scandal is big old substitute for talent
these days.

:dwayne

djarrell@ix.netcom.com
"some people believe in god / like they believe in knocking on wood /
religion is a picture window / life is not a pretty picture"
- patty "best hair in folk music" larkin

hey y'all,

           i know it's a bit behind the times, but here is a review of 1200
curfews just written in a local music paper here in sunny (and *damn* hot)
perth...can you believe curfews has only just been officially released
here!?!?...that's what you get for living in such a charming backwater
town/city :)...anyhew, here's what they have to say...
      "expansive, and running to nearly two and one half hours in length,
this live set recorded in front of a rabid and unnamed audiences (or
audiences) provides a great overview of the indigo girls' career to date.
as ever it matches the pretty, almost dainty delivery of emily saliers with
the altogether more aggressive approach of amy ray.  surely there has never
been greater yin and yang in one duo, two opposites that only seem to match
in the gorgeous depth of harmony.
  a well planned but hardly surprising wander through the catalogue finds
the girls effortlessly returning to days of strange fire and close to fine
and allowing them to lean against last year's almost hit least complicated
and the grim dead man's hill.
  littered among the 28 tracks are a handful of well chosen covers.  as
might have been expected they select top shelf dylan and young (tangled up
in blue and down by the river respectively, both stretch over eight minutes
and feature an anonymous gypsy violin that harks back to dylan's days when
he fell under the spell of scarlet rivera) but the other pair presumably
show once again the difference between these georgia peaches who have
remained partners since school days.  ray leads two versions of buffy saint
marie's bury my heart at wounded knee, one angry and the other angrier,
while saliers caresses gladys knight's finest moment midnight train to
georgia out front of a prime pips.
  here's to an inspirational odd couple, may they long find common
ground"...by polly coufos, copied from xpress magazine without permission.

enjoy,

*************************
                        *    dance,
mark tovey              *            sing,
markt@iinet.com.au      *                   laugh,
perth,                  *                           sing...
western australia       *
                        * go the cats !
************************* a+e=ig

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on thu, 15 feb 1996, dwayne d. jarrell wrote:

> ok, i started this, so i will respond quickly and then take it off the list.
> in one song on history (i don't know which, because i sure as hell don't own
> it!), michael included the lyrics "jew me, sue me, like me, kike me"  (i
> think that's right).  well, for some strange reason (note sarcasm), some
> people found this offensive.  so he re-recorded that track for the cd.  and
> michael got a whole primetime special out of it ('re-writing history')  now
> he is filming the video for that song with <black supremist extraordinaire>
> spike lee.  and they are apparently using the original, offensive version of
> the song.  i got this all from mtv.

that's because spike lee is a racist, anti-semitic bastard.   christopher
hitchens, a british art critic, recently did a case against spike lee on
channel 4's (i think it's c4 anyway) without walls programme, in which he
showed a scene from one of lee's films with two highly stereotypical
american jews refusing to give a black man a contract of some kind.
interestingly in his most famous film malcolm x, he showed a scene where
a white woman asked mx what she could do for the struggle and x told her
flatly, "nothing".   thing is, lee snipped out the bit where x tells alex
haley (who also wrote "roots") that he'd always regretted saying that to
her afterwards.   christopher hitchens has his own agenda, mind you, and
has often been criticised for being prejudiced, snobby and only too keen
to turn up his nose at people (his other major expose was against mother
theresa, not that her "good deeds" aren't vastly overrated anyway).   but
after reading this i think i'll be steering well clear of spike lee and
his propaganda from now on.

mat

hi lorinda and everyone else:)

thank you for the compliment lorinda! in fact "pushing the needle too
far" and "123" are two other songs i wanted to put into my tape but
coudln't. i guess amy is oftentimes very powerful and direct, as you
said. and you're certainly not the only one who has something to say
about "chickenman"! however i'm not sure what "the full live stream of
consciousness" is...yeah, i read the that on the list but did amy
actually sang it in her live performace?? wow...i'd have to admit that
until i read the post i didn't like "chickenman" that much.

i'll keep you posted on how she reacts when she gets the tape:)
gavin

on tue, 13 feb 1996, lorinda wright wrote:

>
> it a lot better live. hope you are successful in converting your advisor. :)
>
>

hi friends,

michael, apology overdue and accepted (valentine's day softens me
somehow). secondly, i hope (notice the emphasis) that the ig's were nominated
for best album of the year, best preformance group of the year, best folk
group of the
year, best live album of the year, best looking group of the year (i added
that one) and last, but certainly not least, best vocal group of the year. i
will not accept any less (well, of course they'd better win in every
category....geeeeeshh).

grammy officials......i'll be watching!!!!

every day is an emily day.

annie :)

hey...

i was just thinking about the grammy's last night, and it is really wierd
the you wrote about them today. i agree whole-heartedly. do you think
they grammy officials could be stupid enough to overlook/not choose
them? let's hope not...

love,
aim

well, well, well......

i'm new to this internet thing, so when i saw the listing for this group i
thought that it would be interesting to sign on. i don't really know anyone
out there and i just love to hear "you've got mail !" when i log on. imagine
my suprise when, after 4 days, i checked to see if there was any mail !
needless to say there was absolutley oodles and oodles of it. naturally, i
felt compelled to read all of it !

this seems like a good source for info on tours and rare recordings. i was
quite dissapointed with the ig fan club as a source for tour info ( as i
missed the "honor the
earth" tour.). i think i'll have better luck here.

i will now cut to some personal veiws on music in general.

my favorite songwriters/performers are:

1) joni mitchell - possibly the greatest all-around artist of this century
(sorry picasso)
i would love to share studio space w/her (being as
how i'm a painter of sorts.).

2) laura nyro - "new york tendaberry" is the musical equivalent of yves
kleins'
"monochrome blue". a masterpiece of modern american
music!

3) patti smith - a mystic, a poet, a shaman. i see a lot of ps in ar, they
both seem posessed in a similar way.

if i were queen, i would suggest that a & e cover a couple of smith tunes,
like "free money" or "birdland", and some nyro tunes like "poverty train" or
"been on a train"
(ar could really tear them up! but i've never heard ar say "damn" and the
latter nyro song does include that word in the lyrics.)

oh yeah, i also like a couple of "old ladies with acoustic guitars" from the
state of georgia :)

well, i have some other comments to make after reading the epic novel that
was the
"igml posting from 2/10/96 - 2/14/96", on other ig subjects like "chickenman"
and rare recordings (must have!), but i don't want to get too wordy !!

ta ta for now !

                  claire - listening to aretha franklin sing "bridge over
troubled water"                               right   this   muinite :)
  (you go girl !)

-can you surrey? can you picnic?-
l. nyro

if anyone out there has chords for the song weakness in me by joan
armatrading..i would love them...or if you have any part of the song...
please help...josh

i read the grammy nominations when they came out a couple of months ago, and i don't
recall seeing our girls nominated for anything.  probably cause they didn't have a
studio album come out recently and because 1200 curfews most likely was released too
late to be eligible. those are just my thoughts.  i wouldn't think a live album would be
nominated anyway.  who knows, maybe the watershed video will be nominated next year!
just my $0.02...

peace,

joan :)

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thishas nothing whatsoever to do with ig but i wanted to refute the below
commute.  perhaps spike is a racist, but then so are most of us to some
extent.  anyway, you say he snipped out the bit where he tells alex haley
he regrets telling the white woman there is nothing she can do for the
movement, which is true.  but you neglect to remember the huge general
turn in events and in the life of malcom x when he becomes a muslim.  and
it is spike lee who choose to portray this new life of malcom x, who
shortly before his death stopped his practice of reverse racism.  :)

sorry for the waste of bandwidth, but it's important that people know the
truth.
>
> that's because spike lee is a racist, anti-semitic bastard.   christopher
> hitchens, a british art critic, recently did a case against spike lee on
> channel 4's (i think it's c4 anyway) without walls programme, in which he
> showed a scene from one of lee's films with two highly stereotypical
> american jews refusing to give a black man a contract of some kind.
> interestingly in his most famous film malcolm x, he showed a scene where
> a white woman asked mx what she could do for the struggle and x told her
> flatly, "nothing".   thing is, lee snipped out the bit where x tells alex
> haley (who also wrote "roots") that he'd always regretted saying that to
> her afterwards.   christopher hitchens has his own agenda, mind you, and
> has often been criticised for being prejudiced, snobby and only too keen
> to turn up his nose at people (his other major expose was against mother
> theresa, not that her "good deeds" aren't vastly overrated anyway).   but
> after reading this i think i'll be steering well clear of spike lee and
> his propaganda from now on.
>
> mat
>
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yes, but how can anyone have faith in the grammys when the new artist
grammy went to milli vanilli over ig (1987?)?

i'm glad to see more harmony on the list.....*peace y'all*
one of my best friends and another friend of mine from high school
got married yesterday on v-day
*everybody 1-2-3 aaaaaawwwwwwwwwwww............*
it was a beautiful ceremony.....i promised myself i wouldn't cry....
i'm a little verklempt.......*mmmm*
tawk amongst yaselves
*sighs*
okay...better....
anyway....about the no jazz fest....who's gonna make the sign for the ppl
on the mailing list? i think it should read "ig netspacers"
or something like that....
if i get a ride to the concert..you can't miss me....i'll be wearing the
henrietta homemaker t-shirt that says sal-ray
:)
have a nice day y'all!
*recovering from v-days hangover*
sal-ray

i'm totally sick of having 30+ messages every day about people bitching about
sexual preference or other peoples actions. i joined the list to discuss the
indigo girls. it looks like i'll have to go somewhere else to share my
feelings about them.

disgruntly,

steve davis

steve.davis@oln.com

yes but can ig lip-sync?

> yes, but how can anyone have faith in the grammys when the new artist
> grammy went to milli vanilli over ig (1987?)?
>
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on thu, 15 feb 1996, eileen t. mulligan wrote:

> yes, but how can anyone have faith in the grammys when the new artist
> grammy went to milli vanilli over ig (1987?)?

it was in 1989 and the ig's were only one of many groups nominated for
the grammy that year. if the ig's were "going" to get it then they
would have got it after mv got theirs withdrawn when it was revealed that
they didn't sing on their albums and lip-synched at their gigs.

mat

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on thu, 15 feb 1996, new york diva wrote:

> thishas nothing whatsoever to do with ig but i wanted to refute the below
> commute.  perhaps spike is a racist, but then so are most of us to some
> extent.  anyway, you say he snipped out the bit where he tells alex haley
> he regrets telling the white woman there is nothing she can do for the
> movement, which is true.  but you neglect to remember the huge general
> turn in events and in the life of malcom x when he becomes a muslim.  and
> it is spike lee who choose to portray this new life of malcom x, who
> shortly before his death stopped his practice of reverse racism.  :)

that's the whole point - that incident happened after mx turned against
elijah muhammad's so-called nation of islam - x told the woman this after
he went to mecca. but then he told haley when he was writing the auto
that he'd regretted it ever since.

i am not sure if anyone got my last message. i had some problems with it,
but here is the most recent update about what i am organizing for the ig show
in new orleans on 5/24. i have some good news and some bad news. the good
news first.

i was able to get the price for the hotel rooms down a little bit.  the price
for 10-25 rooms at the hyatt regency in new orleans is now $180.00 per night
for two nights (5/3 & 5/4 - two night minimum)  this breaks down to $45 per
person per night or $90 per person.  considering that rooms in new orleans
for this weekend are going for $300 and up, i think that this is a good deal.

now for the bad news.  the group sales office will not take individual calls
with credit cards to reserve space.  the only way that they will do this is
if i give them a list of people and their credit card numbers and they will
charge $90 on each card.  or if several people are using one card, they will
charge $90 per person on the card.  i am not crazy about doing it this way
and i am sure that several of you are not too pleased either.  what this
means is if you want to reserve a space, you need to e-mail or call me with
your credit card number.  i understand that this may create a problem for
several of you.  i personally would be very hesitant to call up or e-mail
someone that i barely know and give them my credit card number.  it is much
safer to call up the hyatt regency and give them your credit card number.
unfortunately, they will not do it that way.  the only thing that i can say
that might give you reason to trust me is that when i did the fan tour two
summers ago, i received over $10,000 worth of checks and money orders made
out to my name and nobody got screwed.  however, this is the only way that
this will work.  if there is anyinformation that you need to get from me to
feel more secure about participating in this, i would be glad to give it to
you.  i hope that this complication does not prevent this whole thing from
happening.

now that i have given you the good news and the bad news, let me give you an
overview of how this whole thing will work.  i have reserved 25 rooms at the
hyatt regency in new orleans for 2 nights (5/3 & 5/4).  these rooms each hold
4 people, which makes the total capacity for this gathering 100 people.  i
need a minimum of 40 people (10 rooms) to get the price i have been quoted.
these rooms are being held until thursday 2/29.  after this day, they will be
released.  if you are interested, i recommend you contact me asap.  i
received over 300 e-mail messages from people who were interested.  while i
don't think that all 300+ will actually call or e-mail me to reserve a space,
i am confident that i will fill up all of the spaces before the 2/29
deadline.  also groups of 1,2, or 3 will have people added to them to make a
foursome.  i will make every effort to create all-female and all-male rooms
unless you request otherwise.  groups of 5 or more will be split up in any
way that you choose.  the only way that a group of 1,2, or 3 can have a room
to theirselves is if they pay for the empty space.  i will do everything in
my power to accomodate your needs.

if you are uncomfortable about giving me your credit card and want a little
bit more security, you can contact daniel kuperschmid at the hyatt regency
(504)587-4167 and ask him if this whole thing is legit.

one last thing.  if the 100 spaces sell out and there are still a significant
amount of people who are interested in doing this, i will do my best to find
another hotel at a similar rate.  nobodys credit card will be charged until i
have submitted the entire list of who's participating to the hyatt regency
which will be on 2/29.  if you give me your credit card # and then change
your mind before this date, you can contact me and i will take you off of the
list.  i apologize for my usual longwindedness.  i hope i ahve given you
enough information.  if you have any questions, you can call or e-mail me and
i will do my best to help you.  i look forward to hearing from you and having
a weekend in may that we will all never forget.  talk to y'all soon.

let it grow

bertin lefkovic
(908)418-0721
(908)272-6617

ps - do not leave your credit card number on an answering machine.  i don't
have a private line and i have only known my roommates for a few weeks.
thus, i wouldn't want to take any responsibility for anything they might do.
this is not to say that i think they are dishonest.  i just don't know them
well enough to trust them with other peoples credit card #s.  thanks for your
consideration and support.

hey there floridians (and northerners holing up in florida, like me!)!!!!

get your tickets to the new orleans ig show asap and let me know if you
want to roadtrip together! i just got my ticket this morning and am so
excited i can hardly think about anything else....

i live in gainesville, florida (not to be confused with gainesville,
georgia!), which (for y'all who may not know) is in north-central
florida. it's 1.5-2 hours north of orlando, about an hour or so south of
jacksonville, 1 hour from st. augustine, and about 6 hours from miami (hey
rick sayre!). and of course, all those other equally important florida
locations i didn't mention. people coming from central/southern florida
could maybe carpool up north (helping those who don't have cars, as well as
helping mother earth!), convene in gainesville or some other spot "along the
way" in northern florida, and we could go from there. my house is open to
any long-distance travelers who'd want to come the night before and
crash...we've got room! :)

also, anyone who needs a ride along the way (between gainesville and new
orleans), please respond to this as well. we could snag ya on the way!

i've never driven to no from gainesville, but two friends here
confirmed that it takes 10 hours....10 hours of solid fun, as i see
it: a caravan of vehicles, with everyone playin' ig and singin' at the
top of our lungs, singin' to passing motorists, checkin' out the sights in
the southland, getting to know one another, eatin' some cheap local fare
along the way....good roadtrip fun.

please private e-mail if you're interested!! let me know where you'll be
coming from (where you live) and if you're planning to go to the may 2
show also, or just the may 4 show. if a lot of people want to roadtrip
for the may 2 and 4 shows, i'll go for both too (and i guess we'd
leave early early on the 2nd or late on the 1st??)....but if
most people are thinking may 4 only, we could just plan on going the
3rd.

anyway, i can't wait!!

three more things:

* bert, thanx for all you're doing to organize the fan tour package....
* thanks to whoever posted the number for ticketmaster (i too cannot
        remember who it was--sorry!)
* let's definitely have a "list" meet-up spot after and/or before the
        may 4 concert!!  this is a great idea....i'd love to meet all of you.
        let's discuss how to do this....

looking forward to hearing from anyone in florida (or between fla. and
loooosiana) who's n'orleans bound...

christine :) chousel@grove.ufl.edu

** rick s.: it's so cool you're going with your dad! in light of
the above-mentioned plans, forget the greyhound return trip!
(oops--i forgot you need to go to miami....maybe greyhound would be
cheaper from g-ville than from no, though?--greyhound *does* run between
g-ville and miami). anyway, keep in mind that we can get you at least as
far as g-ville on the return trip!

** jules: will you be in florida through may 5 or so?? you mentioned
getting married and then visiting florida....how long will you be here?
can you extend your visit to may 5-6??!

sorry if you receive this long message twice--my computer told me an
error occurred and i was worried it didn't go thru. sorrrryyy!

---------- forwarded message ----------
date: thu, 15 feb 1996 17:54:38 -0500 (est)
from: chousel@grove.ufl.edu
to: indigo-girls@netspace.org
subject: florida ig fanatics: let's roadtrip to n'orleans together!!!!

hey there floridians (and northerners holing up in florida, like me!)!!!!

get your tickets to the new orleans ig show asap and let me know if you
want to roadtrip together! i just got my ticket this morning and am so
excited i can hardly think about anything else....

also, anyone who needs a ride along the way (between gainesville and new
orleans), please respond to this as well. we could snag ya on the way!

anyway, i can't wait!!

three more things:

looking forward to hearing from anyone in florida (or between fla. and
loooosiana) who's n'orleans bound...

christine :) chousel@grove.ufl.edu

** jules: will you be in florida through may 5 or so?? you mentioned
getting married and then visiting florida....how long will you be here?
can you extend your visit to may 5-6??!

being a voter, i know that they were not in the "nominations" this
year because they didn't put anything "new" out.   re-releasing old
material on a "live" recording doesn't count.   i don't know why, but
that's the way it is.  when so was released, i nominated and voted
for them in the alternative folk category....will continue to vote
for them--religiously!

ndgogrl@prodigy.com
"i am 32 flavors and then some" a. difranco

i don't ig would be so cheap as to lip sync a concert.....
i mean if amy breaks a string and stops playing and we're still hearing
two guitars? come on....
i think they enjoy what they do too much to lipsync
and i love them both for being true
well, they're music anyway...i don't know *them* to love them :)
have a nice day :)
sal-ray

what could you possibly have against mother teresa?
ben

   >two words:  private email.
amen
   >car, the person (crap! who was it? sorry, i forgot!) who said nice
   >things about amy's version of r&j is welcome in my car. (move over
that was me.  i know it's crowded, so i volunteer to sit in someone's
lap.
rustyr

   >>no matter what she says, lorinda will so be complacent :)
   >sarcasm. it's a piece of nasty, self-righteous bullshit. the smiley
   >face has no place in the above sentence. i guess it's just continuing
i still wuv you and expect non-complacency from you.  as long as you can
deal with artistic-writer temperament and much drooling-over-amy from
me.  my cats, tucker underfoot and christo-purr mousebreath, send
kitty-smooches (usually involves much nose washing and whisker
tickling).  wake up, tuck.  i just said you'd send someone a smooch.
okay, i'll rub yer tummy for it. she's a friend and needs a kiss.
there.  tummy rubbed.  smoooochhhh!  oh, sorry i forgot to mention he
has bad breath from the expensive cat food he demands.  feel better?
rustyr

   >head and walked away laughing (was that too harsh?). i most certainly
   >am not a "male-basher", and even if i were such a thing (definitions
   >of a "male-basher", anyone?), i'm sure ig music would calm down or
usually the terms "lesbian" and "male-basher" are considered the same.
like we have time.
rustyr

hey all you jackson browne fans out there...

          just wanted to let y'all know that good ol' jackson's
playing the bryce-jordan center in state college, pa.  tickets just
went on sale, so there are plenty of good seats left...  if anyone
wants the number to call,  private e-mail me and i'll gladly give it
to you.  :)

peace and bless you,
shannon shevock (yamaha)

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subject:      re: michael jackson (clearly nigc, but short)
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on thu, 15 feb 1996 verdi@imap2.asu.edu wrote:

> what could you possibly have against mother teresa?

well let's see ... the fact that she mesures her success in terms of
converts to catholicism rather than how much comfort she's brought to the
dying in calcutta and elsewhere.   the fact that she was investigated a
few years back for converting dying hindus to catholicism.   the fact
that the places of great comfort she provides with donated and church money
are in fact hellholes which preach fatalism and acceptance of fate to
their sick rather than helping them get better (in fact, she was shown on
tv in hitchens' report refusing to take an ill patient to the doctor because
"if i take one, i'll have to take them all").   the fact that she goes out
on tours spreading propaganda for the most reactionary factions in the
catholic church on issues she knows absolutely nothing about - eg. abortion,
divorce and euthanasia, and uses her saintly, "humble" image as a tool.
the fact that her only advice for those whose relatives had been killed
in the bhopal disaster was "forgive" - as if the local hindus and muslims
would take any notice of her anyway.

mother theresa is not and never was a saint, she's just taught as such by
reactionary churches and schools because of her work for the catholic church.
she is also a convenient media figure, until that is, she starts her
reactionary waffle. i'm surprised people fall for her well-rehearsed
humility and "charity" act.

mat

hi everyone!  thanks to whoever posted the info on caroline aiken.  as a
result of that, i now have a tape of her show on folkscene in la.  she
mentions meeting a&e when they were 16 and 17.  setlist:

hug and kiss me / a song for her guitar / in a land without you / saving
grace / that's what i heard / can we please walk each other home / i
won't tell you / love ain't goin' nowhere / fishin' blues

anyone interested in trading tapes of her or other folk/acoustic artists,
e-mail me! i have a large selection to choose from. :)

---------------------------
letitia j. yao                           "anyone who lives in two worlds
dept. of pharmaceutical chemistry           at once is bound to lead
uc-san francisco                                 a complicated life."
lyao@picasso.ucsf.edu                                     --joanna russ

on thu, 15 feb 1996, mark tovey wrote:

hey mark, thanks for transcribing that interview for us, :)

from that:
> littered among the 28 tracks are a handful of well chosen covers. as
> might have been expected they select top shelf dylan and young (tangled up
> in blue and down by the river respectively, both stretch over eight minutes
> and feature an anonymous gypsy violin that harks back to dylan's days when
> he fell under the spell of scarlet rivera) but the other pair presumably

*ahem*

but that *was* scarlett rivera, no? :)

-sherlyn

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        "i've never had a way with women,
        but the hills of iowa make me wish that i could,
        and i've never found a way to say i love you,
        but if the chance came by, oh i, i would."
                - dar williams, "iowa"

today (15 feb), trant batey wrote....
"yes but can ig lip-sync?"
..and to that i answer....
just look at poor amy during the ghost video!! ha! i love it! the gosh darn
cutest thing i have ever seen!
so, are we happy they can't lipsync? or does that mean they may never win that
precious grammy! :)

every day is an *amy* day!
avital

avital@lucy.cs.wisc.edu

i believe the video that amy and emily were syncin' to was all of them
hehehehe..but the one where it actually shows is galileo....
i don't even know that ghost has a video...
but i could be wrong
i'm not omnipotent
:)
have anice day
sal-ray

okay, so i'm trying to make this great and fantastic point and i end up
screwing up and making a fool outta myself. will y'all ever forgive me??
the video is, infact, galileo and amy is just as cute.
ah, come on now, sympathize - i'm stressed and can't seem to be able to finsish
my english paper.
hanging my head in shame...
avital

avital@lucy.cs.wisc.edu

i apologize if this has been asked and answered before...

a few of us need to know what time ig are scheduled to start playing at
the 5/2 festival in new orleans. this roadtrip is originating in
washington state and picking a couple people up along the way. we need to
know what time we have to pull into no and still see a+e at the show on
5/2. thank you very much for this info :)

we have 18th row tickets for the 5/4 concert, woo :) (i still get giddy
when i think about this!)

kristina

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on thu, 15 feb 1996, verdi@imap2.asu.edu wrote:
>what could you possibly have against mother teresa?
>ben

really!! i mean, i loved her in "jeffrey" ;)
rick
(who used to be oracle1310~)
>--

~*~*~*~*~*~*~*you have to laugh at yourself because
you'd cry your eyes out if you didn't~*~*~*~*emily saliers

the next time i fall
  (the next time i fall)
i'm gonna have to recall
   that it isn't love
it's only
  s o m e t h i n g   n e w
{emily saliers}

how do i subscribe?

besides the obvious videos on watershed and bmhawk how many more videos
do they have out and how can i obtain them.thanks,
ben

grammy trivia/1989

> it was in 1989 and the ig's were only one of many groups nominated
for
> the grammy that year. if the ig's were "going" to get it then
they
> would have got it after mv got theirs withdrawn when it was
revealed that
> they didn't sing on their albums and lip-synched at their gigs.

1) was the grammy for best new artist ever re-awarded?

2) if so, who got it?

melissa

good evening everyone:

as a "newbie," i'm trying to limit my public comments to mere
e-mails until i've read my first 1,000 notes (actually, i should hit
that figure by next week). i do want to add my $.02 on the hotel
topic, which i am a bit familiar with.

> now for the bad news.  the group sales office will not take
individual calls
> with credit cards to reserve space.  i understand that this may
create a problem for
> several of you.  i personally would be very hesitant to call up or
e-mail
> someone that i barely know and give them my credit card number.  it
is much
> safer to call up the hyatt regency and give them your credit card
number.
> unfortunately, they will not do it that way.  the only thing that i
can say
> that might give you reason to trust me is that when i did the fan
tour two
> summers ago, i received over $10,000 worth of checks and money
orders made
> out to my name and nobody got screwed.

as a meeting planner i know (& live with the fact) that during large
city-wide
conventions hotels limit the way that rooms can be secured. while i
do not
know bert personally, everything he's mentioned is standard operating

procedure and i can vouch that his rate is a good one. i know that
we had
done a bit of business with the no inter-continental and they gave me
a
group discount in '95 for a client of $240/nt. also, the 10 room
minimum for
a group rate is also standard.

great job bert!!!!

melissa
"still looking for a quote which reflects my life" mgordon

hello!  just thought i might add a few more things to this thread.  sometimes
i think it's cute how amy just kinda doesn't sing the first note of "i do not
feel the pain" on the first verse of pod on botby.  just another tidbit... on
the botby version of "...10,000 wars", when emily says "the evil ego and the
vice of pride..." and, although she could easily have run the first two words
together, she separates them beautifully and it has this effect... she just
punches that "evil", ya know?  she also does that on the "tender age" part of
pod, but it's not as fabulous as the last example... (if you can't tell,
that's what cd i'm playing.) that's all.  love, sarah

hey everyone...i got this in the email today and found it to be pretty
interesting...thought since there are so many ppl on our list, this would be the best
way of distributing it.  whether you are gay, bi-, or heterosexual, if you are open
minded and think discrimination is wrong, please read this letter and print it out to
send it in and then pass it on to your friends.  i don't want this to start a big
arguement or anything...if you don't agree with it, just erase it, ok?  thanks for your
time...

peace, love, and indigo girls,
nicole

>>
>>ok all: this is a letter to the head of the fda, protesting the ban which prohi
>>bits homosexual and bisexual men from giving blood.  all blood banks are requir
>>ed to conform to the fda standards.  however, since fda regulations also requir
>>e that all donated blood be screened for various diseases (including hiv), and
>>since homosexual men are no longer the highest risk group for hiv infection, we
>>find it incomprehensible that the fda would completely ban an entire group of p
>>eople (even those who are hiv-neg) while not asking a single question about a h
>>eterosexual's safe sex practices.  according to the center for disease control,
>> heterosexuals between the ages of 18 and 24 are now the highest risk group, fo
>>llowed by those ages 25 to 44.  sexual orientation has become completely irrele
>>vant in regard to hiv infection and aids.  we ask that the fda revise their sta
>>ndards in order to account for sexual practices (safe or unsafe sex) rather tha
>>n singling out a specific group of people for unfair discrimination.
>>
>>
>>what you can do:  print out this letter, sign it, and mail it to the fda at the
>> following address:
>>commissioner david kessler
>>u.s. food and drug administration
>>5600 fisher's lane
>>rockville, md  20857
>>
>>then, forward this letter to as many people as possible.  this is an ongoing pe
>>tition to the fda.  please take the time to do this...your efforts might make a
>>ll the difference in the world.  anyone with comments or questions can email me
>> at je3593a@american.edu   thanks a lot, everyone.
>>
>>
>>this letter was drafted and sponsored by the office of community action and soc
>>ial justice and the sexual minority resource center at the american university,
>> washington, dc.
>>
>>equal rights * right now * equal rights * right now * equal rights * right now
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>dear commissioner kessler:
>>
>>i am writing to you in regards to the food and drug administration's policy of
>>prohibiting gay men from donating blood to the american red cross and other suc
>>h organizations.  i have been informed that ever since blood has been declared
>>a "drug" by the fda, it is regulated with the strictest of guidelines.  i appre
>>ciate this effort to keep the blood supply clean and safe for those of us who m
>>ight need it in order to survive.
>>
>>however, i have to disagree with the policy that the fda still keeps intact, si
>>nce it is well ackowledges throughout the medical community and much of the gen
>>eral public that aids is not a "gay" disease, but rather a disease which affect
>>s people of all colors, creeds, shapes and sizes, and sexual orientations.  the
>>refore, i question the resoning behind the policy of not accepting perfectly sa
>>fe blood from someone simply because they are a homosexual or bisexual male.  t
>>here are heterosexual men whose sexual practices put them at far greater risk o
>>f hiv infection than many gay men.
>>
>>i urge you and the fda to take responsibility for this blatant act of discrimin
>>ation and ask that blood acceptors refrain from using this question as the only
>> basis for "permanent deferral".  thank you for your time and consideration.
>>
>>sincerely,
>>
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cool frienship quotes (dedicated to all my friends and my bestest bud jaime)

"what is a friend? a single soul dwelling within two bodies"--aristotle

hello out there!
      okay, you may all hate me for wasting your time with this, but with all
of this talk of bumper stickers, i have a catalogue af them right here in my
lap.  these people not only will make personalized stickers, t-shirts, and
buttons, (so if the list had any ideas i could get more info) but have a huge
variety of them on sale, and i thought i'd list the stickers available and
see who'd like to order.  there are quantity discounts and such, so i'll set
the price at $1.25 (us) each, or $1.00 (us) each if you are ordering three or
more, which covers postage for the catalogue plus the postage to your house.
if you're in another country, i'd really appreiate it if you could send us
funds, and i really don't care much about the extra postage.  the price
remains the same.  if you're interested in any, please e-mail me with a list
of what you want and i'll give you my home address and ask that you pre-pay,
for i cannot afford all of these on my own, especially if people forget that
they ordered and such... (i've done that before.  i ended up with a bunch of
stuff i didn't want and was out about forty dollars in the end.)  i swear
that i'll actually order, not just steal your money or something!  you'll all
know where iive!  well-disguised cash works for me, unless you're not comfy
with that, in which case money orders and checks are okay.  i will send a due
date for funds in my reply to your message.  please use the subject title
"decals", as it will avoid confusion with the current bumper sticker
thread... also, there are many tee shirts and posters relative to some of the
stickers (at reasonable prices) and many buttons, which, if ordered, will be
$1.00 each including postage.  if interested in any of the above, give me a
theme or two, and i'll send you a list of what i can get.)  i can send your
addresses in to the company to request catalogues, too, if you'd like.
please tell me in your reply if you'd like more info on any of that.
anyhow, happy shopping, and please e-mail by the 25th of february, as i'd
like to get this order thing done soon.  thanks, sarah

bumper stickers:

1  question authority
2  children are people too
3  uppity women unite
4  every mother is a working mother
5  sexism is a social disease
6  keep your laws off my body
7  god is coming and is she pissed
8  minds are like parachutes- they only function when open
9  you can't hug a child with nuclear arms

(i'm going to quit capitalizing. too many on the list to take the time!)

10  join the army-travel to exotic, distant lands; meet exciting, unusual
people and kill           them
11  live simply so that others may simply live
12  save the humans
13  give peace a chance
14  no one is free when others are opressed
15  a woman without a man is like a fish without a bicycle
16  visualise world peace
17  you cannot simultaneously prevent and prepare for war (w/ einstein
picture)
18  love your mother (w/ earth picture)
19  women are great leaders - you're following one
20  stop treating our soil like dirt
21  think globally - act locally
22  meat is dead
23  it will be a great day when our schools get all the money they need and
the air force        has to hold a bake sale to buy a bomber
24  kill your television
25  listen to women - for a change
26  lobotomies for republicans - it's the law
27  why be normal? (4 1/2" x 6")
28  pro choice and proud of it
29  pro choice/pro child
30  i'm pro-choice and i vote
31  come out, come out, wherever you are
32  honk if you're codependent
33  i love my country - but fear my government
34  save endangered species (w/ tiger)
35  paper from paper - not trees
36  wild women don't get the blues
37  against abortion?  dont have one.

(too hard to break the habit of uppercase letters...)

38  free leonard peltier ("bury my heart..." =)  see, there _is_ igc! =))
39  thelma and louise live
40  homophobia is a social disease
41  happy childhoods last a lifetime... prevent child abuse
42  invest in america... buy a congressman
43  dare to keep the cia off drugs
44  the earth doesn't belong to us, we belong to the earth
45  if you can't trust me with a choice, how can you trust me with a baby?
46  just say no to sex with pro-lifers
47  fight racism
48  conciousness now
49  self righteousness.  the unforgivable sin.
50  hatred is not a family value.
51  compost happens
52  commit random acts of kindnass and senseless beauty
53  my other car is a broom
54  humans aren't the only species on earth- we just act like it
55  politicians and diapers need to be changed- often for the same reason
56  it's never ok to hit a child
57  support organic farmers
58  free tibet
59  rush is reich
60  courtesy is contagious
61  feminism is the radical notion that women are people
62  straight but not narrow
63  heart attacks... god's revenge for eating his animal friends
64  under republicans, man exploited man.  under democrats, it's just the
opposite.
65  oink if you (graphic of a heart) rush
66  bandage (for your car's owies)
67  visualize whirled peas
68  if guns are outlawed, only outlaws will shoot their kids accidentally
69  i'm the nra (w/ graphic)
70  if you feel attacked by feminism, it's probably a counter attack
71  start seeing bicycles
72  who owns you?
73  born again pagan
74  hang up and drive
75  honor treaty rights
76  celebrate diversity
77  television is drugs
78  the arts are not a luxury
79  mend your fuelish ways
80  overpopulation... too much of a good thing
81  flush rush
82  i support breast cancer research
83  fight prime time, read a book
84  have you been limbaughtomized?
85  pc: just the latest smokescreen from the radical right
86  they're not hot flashes... they're power surges

(geez! how much more can i possibly type, here?)

87  friends don't let friends vote republican
88  mean people suck
89  guns don't kill people, radical pro-lifers kill people
90  visualise using your turn signals
91  newt happens
92  if christ is the answer, what was the question?
93  my karma ran over your dogma
94  dare to think for yourself
95  god, protect me from your followers
96  i believe ruch limbaugh... 2 + 2 = 5
97  will be president for food
98  the media are only as liberal as the conservative businesses that own
them
99  defend the last stand - america's ancient forest
100  ufo's are real - the air force doesn't exist
101  livable wages make cents
102  mend your fuelish ways (bike size - 1.5" x 7")
103  if rush is right, i'll take what's left
104  i think, therefore i don't listen to rush limbaugh
105  jesus was a liberal
106  jesus is coming, look busy
107  question reality
108  more jobs?  what about less people?
109  plants & animals disappear to make room for your fat ass
110  the hole in the ozone is directly related to the hole in your head
111  the road to hell is paved with republicans
112  empty the prisons, make room for congress
113  equal rights are not special rights
114  come the rapture - can i have your car?
115  my goddess gave birth to your god
116  currently training to avoid a mid-life crisis
117  towanda! (i have this funny feeling that someone out there might like
this one...)
118  be kind to animals - don't eat them
119  vegetarians taste better
120  you can have my gun when you pry it from my paranoid, mentally
disturbed,        physically abusive, cold, dead hand.
121  who took the fun out of fundamentalists?
122  don't postpone joy
123  (good song! =)) children should be seen and heard and... believed
124  dare to keep cops off donuts
125  darwin (fish with legs graphic)
126  thank you for pot smoking
127  i think you left the stove on

wow, are my fingers numb! i take no responsibility for some of the attitudes
expressed in the above... i was only quoting.

also, if anyone's interested, there are "static cling stickers" that aren't
sticky, but will cling to the inside of windows and can be moved around.
they will be $1.50 (us) or $1.25 (us) each if you want more than one.
they're all 3" in diameter.

1  rainbow triangle
2  pink triangle
3  black triangle
4  women's symbol
5  venus of willendorf
6  peace sign

also, for $1.25, (again, us) there are plain, rectangular rainbow flag
stickers. 2 3/4" x 4 1/2"

many available items, so i urge everyone to get the catalogue if you want
more than what i mentioned, but i think it will be easier for all concerned
(except for me!) to do it this way.  quantity dicounts and all.  i don't
really stand to make a profit, if you're worried; i just wanted to get the
discount!  i figured out the postage and all of that, so it's better for all
of you who wouldn't normally be ordering more than 100 of 'em yourselves...
anyhow, mail promptly, so we can get this show on the road and our cars (and
bodies and walls) decorated! =)  wishing you all sunrays and saturdays, sarah

ha everyone,

i've just bought an accoustic guitar and take lessons. allthough my fingers
are almost bleeding, it's nice to learn play this instrument. a dream comes
true. so, my question is: which song of the ig is an *easy starter*? my
technic is still zero, but i hope there is one song i could try...

i wish i could break all long distance records by coming from holand to no
and visiting the festival, finally seing the girls... however, i can't make
it in may. so when is the exact date of the newport folk festival? aren't
the ig also playing there? could someone be so kind and give me some
information? if it's in august, maybe i could come over. dream.

final question: could someone give me a tip on how to get watershed? after
having read all your stories, i can't wait to see that video. we don't have
it here in holland.

that's it! hope to hear from y'all,

florine

i notice number of people have had a go with this so

imho and it is very h most amy songs are easy to play in that the chord
structure is simple ( a+e have often said that their chord vocab. is very
different ) anyhow no matter that the chords are easy form getting the
emotion is harder. i can suggest ptntf as a good starter or ctf - easy to
hear results in both of these - reunion is good also. the hard part is
learning the emily songs especially those in unusal tunings galelio is a
prime example of this i could go on forever howabout pof for a slightly
more tough one or watershed !

either way all i can say is persivier (sp) because there really is a lot
to learn from a+e in the music dept. you will appreciate much more. i
have played for 12 years and only recently ( 2 years ) atarted playing ig
tunes my ability has increased no end !!

jules
p.s. fugitive just spreng to mind as really easy to play

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okay...just to let you all know...hiv is the number one killer of people
ages 25-44.  this means hiv has surpassed heart disease, cancer, drunk
driving, and other various illnesses.  if you have been keeping up with
the news, you know that in foriegn countries, a new strain of hiv has
been found.  it is the "e" strain, unlike the "b" strain which the most
common in our country. the "e" strain, unlike the "b" strain, is highly
contagious.  according to recent reports, it is spread simply through
unprotected, heterosexual intercourse.  the new strain, "e", does not
need to find a way into the blood stream to infect a person.  it simply
multiplies in the internal tissues of the male and female genital areas.

now, i know this is not very scientifically written, but i was watching
the news last night with my mouth gaping. i just want to remind everyone
that education in key, and that sex ed is schools is a new sort of right
to life. kids need to know what is going to kill them. being an
aspiring teacher, i feel very strongly on these issues.

more information about the "e" strain will probably come up in the news
this week. maybe i'm really just behind the times. but i feel it is
imperative that we educate each other in order to protect our futures.
any info that you have on the "e" strain, or other info on hiv in general
that you have would be happily received on my end if anyone wants to
email me privately...

thanks for reading..
love
aim

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it should be pointed out that not only is the new orleans jass festival
going on during the end of april/beginning of may, but also the
international reading association national conference is taking place
that week. essentially all hotels will be full, with a major convention
in town (last year attendance was nearly 20,000, i believe), as well as
one of no's biggest tourist events.

i'll be surprised if rooms can be found for under $200/double...

(i however will be there for the convention, so i'll have a room! *evil
laugh, soaring organ chords, fade to black...)

graham ames youngbear (irc)
mcgee@acca.nmsu.edu kindness, joy, and friendship -- the sacred things

        white people are doing things in reverse.
        they think that by going into the sweatlodge
        or buying drums and rattles, they will become spiritual.
        not necessarily.  instead, if you live in a good way,
        you are spiritual.  then, the ceremonies come
        as a means of expression.
                                -rolling thunder

_in the middle of this road we call our life_ -- james w. jones
_care of the soul_ & _soulmates_ -- thomas moore
_life after god_ -- douglas coupland

on 15 feb 96 at 19:13, l. andrade wrote:

> i apologize if this has been asked and answered before...
>
> a few of us need to know what time ig are scheduled to start playing at
> the 5/2 festival in new orleans. this roadtrip is originating in
> washington state and picking a couple people up along the way. we need to
> know what time we have to pull into no and still see a+e at the show on
> 5/2. thank you very much for this info :)
>
> we have 18th row tickets for the 5/4 concert, woo :) (i still get giddy
> when i think about this!)
>
> kristina
for those of you who are wondering, the time for the indigo girls
performance at the new orleans jazz fest on may 2nd has not yet been
anounced, and likely won't be anounced until about 3 weeks before the
show. bummer.

music at jazz fest usually starts around 11:00am and runs until 7:00
pm. there are about 10 stages, with music running concurrently.

peace y'all
'
dan "bassman" perkins
'
"although it was spontaneous, you'd think that it was well
planned. the day the bass players took over the world"
-emily kaitz

i've been reading "conduct unbecoming" by randy shilts and, while i was old
enough to remember (however vaguely) the first cases of aids, i did not
remember some of the other things that he tells in the book.  one of which
was that the us government threw away the blood donated by known
homosexuals in the services.  after testing was instituted by blood
collection agencies, they used the information from positive tests to purge
gays from the military.  this went against what the red cross believed in
so they stopped releasing that information to the government.

just fyi.
lisa
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                                (612) 392-5608
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                they say that roosters do it, with a doodle and cock."
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all this talk of the no concert is making me very green!  how long do
the girls actually play for...how long do you think they'll play for
at the newport folk festival?  what day are they on at newport, and
what other bands are playing?  how do you get tickets?  you see if
i'm coming over from the uk, i really need to start organising things
so that i can wangle time off, get cheap flights, book accommodation
etc.  any info would be gladly appreciated!

ok, talk to y'all later

love helene

if anyone is interested in sharing a room on the 1st and 2nd before the
ig-list tour hits town, please let me know.

trant

i am new to this list and i hope that i will be able to gain a whole lot of inf
o about my most favorite duo...amy and emily....i am right now interested in a
list of tour dates/locations and if anyone has any bootleg (no matter how old)
i would be interested in purchasing....

tangled up in blue,
angie

please matt, spare me. when was the last time you were in calcutta saving
the lives of hindu "untouchables". and prey you, what is wrong with
converting someone to catholism. she is a wonderful and devoted person.
she has a right to speak about these issues just like everyone and i
highly doubt she preaches fatalism. and do you know what happened with
that"if i have to take one i have to take them all" situation. there
could have been a reasonable explanation.
and about the media, i really don't think mother teresa is doing this
all for her prized fame. i'm sure she didn't think "gee i want to be
famous and helping people is a good scam to get people to notice me". i'm
so sick of this catholic bashing that is constantly going on. sure we
have some flaws butwe are basically good people. its' our leaders that's
fucked up not the church community or even our doctorine. are you even
catholic? before you pass judgement on someone that is in fact a saint
please be informed about the situation.
sorry to be so pushy,
ben

hi, guys.
just a quick ? i've always wondered what amy said at the very end
of kid fears on botby. ideas?

replace the need with love,
keith

mat i have to agree with you about mother teresa. i haven't liked her ever
since i read about her speech (i believe it was when she was given the noble
prize) where she said that the number 1 problem in 3rd world countries was
the practice of birth control - in other words, all these poverty stricken
people who are not able to feed themselves should have to have an unlimited
number of children because "god wills it so." phooey!

angie

i'm happy to see that the list is getting back to discussing ig music again!
anyway, since so many of us like to talk about what different songs mean to
us, and lyric interpretations, and seeing performances of them, i was
wondering if any of you would like to discuss a song a day? my idea is this:

start with the first song on the first readily available album, which i
believe is "strange fire", (both the album and the song). tomorrow,
(saturday) anyone with a story, or opinions, or insights to the song can pass
them along. the next day would be crazy game, then left me a fool, and so on.
after this album is discussed, we'll move on the ig, then nis, botby,rop,
so, and 1200c. (i'm including the live ones because there are some songs
that were only released on them.) if you want to throw in some bootlegs
somwhere along the line, that's ok too, but since i don't have any (yet!) i
couldn't offer my opinion.

so, if anyone likes this idea, tomorrow will be "strange fire" day. if i
don't see any comments, i'll just slink back into a hole, and lick my wounds.

angie in kc

i really like angie's idea, but maybe it's just b/c i'm a capricorn...
let's do it.  it would go on forever and we'd be pretty much guaranteed
that even if there's a big email war going on there would still be a bit
of ig content every day.  btw, i'm sure tomorrow i will have a _really
good_ amy story to tell...heheheh...(oo, suspense...).
  -julie

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"this is my music; this is myself"
-emerson

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on fri, 16 feb 1996, angela ciesla wrote:

> i'm happy to see that the list is getting back to discussing ig music again!
> anyway, since so many of us like to talk about what different songs mean to
> us, and lyric interpretations, and seeing performances of them, i was
> wondering if any of you would like to discuss a song a day? my idea is this:
>
> start with the first song on the first readily available album, which i
> believe is "strange fire", (both the album and the song). tomorrow,
> (saturday) anyone with a story, or opinions, or insights to the song can pass
> them along. the next day would be crazy game, then left me a fool, and so on.
> after this album is discussed, we'll move on the ig, then nis, botby,rop,
> so, and 1200c. (i'm including the live ones because there are some songs
> that were only released on them.) if you want to throw in some bootlegs
> somwhere along the line, that's ok too, but since i don't have any (yet!) i
> couldn't offer my opinion.
>
> so, if anyone likes this idea, tomorrow will be "strange fire" day. if i
> don't see any comments, i'll just slink back into a hole, and lick my wounds.
>
> angie in kc
>
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great idea, angela!
--di

on fri, 16 feb 1996, angela ciesla wrote:

on 16 feb 96 at 11:49, keith isbell wrote:

> hi, guys.
> just a quick ? i've always wondered what amy said at the very end
> of kid fears on botby. ideas?

hmmmm, i have always thought she might be saying "the place where we
start is love".

but i ain't certain.

peace y'all
'
dan "bassman" perkins
'
"although it was spontaneous, you'd think that it was well
planned. the day the bass players took over the world"
-emily kaitz

hi y'all

i am hoping someone can give me some fairly detailed info. on the
logistics of newport folk fest.

i really want to attend, but can't drive, don't know anyone in that
area, don't want to spend cash on an expensive hotel....

so my plan, crazy as it may sound, is to fly from austin, tx. to
newport (or whatever city with an airport is close enough), and then
take a bus or cab to the festival, stay for the day, and fly back to
austin that night.

my question to those of you with newport experience is, can this be
done? is there an airport close enough to the festival area that i
can take a cab without it costing me hundreds of bucks??

any info. greatly appreciated.

peace y'all
'
dan "bassman" perkins
'
"although it was spontaneous, you'd think that it was well
planned. the day the bass players took over the world"
-emily kaitz

ok, since tomorrow will be strangefire day....and i'll be on my way
to mardi gras (last minute decision, don't even know where anything is,
and we're not going to get a room, we're just going to drive back...
oh, that's back to georgia...gonna take the midnight train back...oh,
i'm sorry...that's the wrong tangent) i just wanted to put my
input in. yeah, i know...kinda early. but, i hope no one will mind.

strange fire is one of my favorite songs. when i first started listening
to ig, i bought a brand new car. well, i wanted a tag on the front that
somehow said who i was....and that i love ig. so...i talked to a friend
and she suggested strange fire. it was perfect. you see, i didn't know
about the religious meaning behind the song. i had always thought that
strange fire was.....well, (hope this doesn't affend anyone)....i
thought it was a fire that 2 people feel for one another. something
so powerful and new....something different....not socially permitted..
so strange and wonderful...and full of intense heat. and the chorus
backs up this idea .....(just not the whole song.) so...i feel like
my love for my partner is a strange fire....

thanx for letting me post early...hope mardi gras doesn't bring any
danger upon us!
-sherry

i think this is a great idea!!! hmmm... let me go listen to strange fire so that
i can think of something insightful...
:)
rick
(listening to nis!)
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*you have to laugh at yourself because
you'd cry your eyes out if you didn't~*~*~*~*emily
saliers

the next time i fall
  (the next time i fall)
i'm gonna have to recall
   that it isn't love
it's only
  s o m e t h i n g   n e w
{emily saliers}

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              feb 16, 96 01:16:31 pm

fly into boston, i think it would be faster than dealing with new york and
new york is kinda far from newport, you can crash pretty inexpensively at
the hostel in boston, or perhaps a listmember will let you have a couch,
floorspaace, ect. i really dont think you could fly in the day of the show
and make it there in time to enjoy and relax, the ig's usually go on last,
and the memories i have were amazing, because the state park is so damn
beautiful. i know there is a bus that was 20 bucks roundtrip from boston to
newport, maybe some sort of transportation from providence if you took a t,
i dunno, but i mean there are enough people to find out more info or
possibly a ride, anyone want to go from maine (i need to work monday and
would get to bangor too late) i am pretty sure i can go! it is well worth
going both days too, and there is a hostel in newport as well, cheaper than
boston's (i think) but probably fills up really fast!
mike r.

i wanted to transcribe this amy stream of conscience for the list. it is
from 8/13/94 at red rocks, colorado and it came in the middle of touch me
fall. enjoy.

"are you awake?  yes, i am awake.  can you get up?  i can't get up.  can you
get up?  i can't get up.  why can't you?  because i don't want to.  why don't
you want to? 'cause everything comes down real hard.  why don't you want to
get up?  because everything comes down.  why does everything come down?
because i let it.  you let it?  i let it.  you let it?  i let it.  can you
learn this?  i can learn this.  let me teach you something.  i will be
taught.  let me teach you something.  i will be taught.  when you get up in
the morning, we all want to say this.  we all want to get up and we all want
to say this.  you will say ' i will walk down the street.  i will hold my
head high.  i will say hello to everyone i meet.  i will have love in my
heart.  when i have hate, i will turn my hate into energy.  when i have
anger, i will turn my anger into energy.  when i am negative, i will be
negative only for as long as i need to be, until i understand it and then i
will be positive.  and i will not be complacent.  and i will not be
complacent.  and i will not be complacent.  and i will not be
complacent....and i will not be a racist.  and i will not be a sexist.  and i
will not be a homophobic asshole.  and i will not be sexist.  and i will
love.  and i will love.  and i will be happy that i am alive.'"  - amy ray

i've been disappointed by melissa etheridge.  she use to be acoustic-based
and a more quiet personality.  now that she's had a mega hit record, she's
gone "hollywood".  does anyone have her new album?  check out those
sparkling clothes and dramatic poses.  plus her music is more electric.
not much of that great 12-string ovation!

that wouldn't happen to emily and amy, would it? it couldn't!! yes, their
music has gotten more electric, touch me fall and bmhawk. but if a&e were
to just kick ass with a new album and become more - i don't want to say
popular - but more recognized, we wouldn't see a&e turn glitzy, would we?

personally, i don't think so.  a&e aren't los angles entertainers - they
are more down to earth living in the city where they grew up - where there
is "grass and trees" (like amy mentions in "live at the uptown lounge").
in the newsgroup, we had a discussion about how we like it that the ig are
not "mega-stars".  it's kinda like they are our secret (obsession).  so i
love the fact that they have a very quiet following.  no matter how popular
they become, i can't see them "going hollywood".

....but, that's what i thought about melissa etheridge....

whadda y'all think?

- jen hall

better than flying into boston, you can fly directly to rhode island by
flying into t.f. green airport.  it's a small airport, but it's nice.
whenever i fly home, i always fly into t.f. green.  then you'll already be
in r.i., you'll only need to get to newport.  it'll be a lot quicker - and
probably cheaper.

- jen hall
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thanks carlisle (carl?) ... i've put it on my web page:

http://www.aber.ac.uk/~mts5/amysoc.html

mat

does anyone out there have the tabs for kid fears?
thanks
rob

what is amy's "stream of conscience"??? does she just start talking about
deep stuff? why is it referred to as her "stream of conscience"?

i've never been to a concert (but look out may 4th - - 9th row!!) so i've
never witnessed it.

thanks,
- jen
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i wanted to transcribe this amy stream of conscience for the list. it is
from 8/13/94 at red rocks, colorado and it came in the middle of touch me
fall. enjoy.

"are you awake?  yes, i am awake.  can you get up?  i can't get up.  can
you
get up?  i can't get up.  why can't you?  because i don't want to.  why
don't
you want to? 'cause everything comes down real hard.  why don't you want to
get up?  because everything comes down.  why does everything come down?
because i let it.  you let it?  i let it.  you let it?  i let it.  can you
learn this?  i can learn this.  let me teach you something.  i will be
taught.  let me teach you something.  i will be taught.  when you get up in
the morning, we all want to say this.  we all want to get up and we all
want
to say this.  you will say ' i will walk down the street.  i will hold my
head high.  i will say hello to everyone i meet.  i will have love in my
heart.  when i have hate, i will turn my hate into energy.  when i have
anger, i will turn my anger into energy.  when i am negative, i will be
negative only for as long as i need to be, until i understand it and then i
will be positive.  and i will not be complacent.  and i will not be
complacent.  and i will not be complacent.  and i will not be
complacent....and i will not be a racist.  and i will not be a sexist.  and
i
will not be a homophobic asshole.  and i will not be sexist.  and i will
love.  and i will love.  and i will be happy that i am alive.'"  - amy ray

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on 16 feb 96 at 16:45, rob augino! wrote:

> does anyone out there have the tabs for kid fears?
> thanks
> rob

if you have access to the web check out this site for lots of ig
guitar stuff.

http://www.tc.umn.edu/nlhome/m161/schn0170/ig/index.html

hope this helps.
peace y'all
'
dan "bassman" perkins
'
"although it was spontaneous, you'd think that it was well
planned. the day the bass players took over the world"
-emily kaitz

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gang, i believe it's better known as: stream of consciousness.

it's where you just talk (or write) off the top of your head.....

yes!!!!!!!!!!! i just got my ticket for the uno show!! main floor< row 18!!!!!
rrrrrraaaaaaddddd!!!!!!!

:)
i don't know about you, but i'm not gonna make it to may.... :)
rick
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*you have to laugh at yourself because
you'd cry your eyes out if you didn't~*~*~*~*emily
saliers

the next time i fall
  (the next time i fall)
i'm gonna have to recall
   that it isn't love
it's only
  s o m e t h i n g   n e w
{emily saliers}

i don't think amy and emily would ever become "hollywood" and here is the reason why.
i really like melissa etheridge.  i was disappointed with your little secret, but not
because it was electric (i don't mind that one bit).  it's because the songs weren't
very strong in my opinion and i felt like she was writing more with the "hit single"
in mind.  the fundamental difference between melissa and amy & emily is that melissa
has stated on numerous occasions that all her life she dreamed of being a rock star.
she is a rock star.  and although her songs well-written and passionate, they most
of the time address what i once heard termed "matters of the heart and loins."  amy and
emily are musicians, first and foremost.  emily told people magazine last year that
"we've never had the typical aspirations to fame and wealth."  i think that says a lot.
i guess you kind of have to look at what motivates someone to pursue a career in music -
fame, wealth and commercial success or a need for musical expression, a need to enlighten
people, and to have creative freedom.  i think melissa is kind of caught in the middle
of these two paths.  i think amy and emily clearly follow the latter path.  i'm not saying
that someone who has achieved fame and success shouldn't enjoy the fruits of their
success.  but amy and emily seem to have a really good grounding.  they could have headed
for new york or l.a., but they instead decided to make it on their terms and on their
home turf.  a lot of other artists are doing this, too.   another difference between
amy and emily and some other commercially successful artists is that they have very
strong spiritual values.  i think that alone would make them cautious about becoming too
"hollywood."  i don't think we have anything to worry about.  as for them going electric,
i love the electric stuff like bury my heart...it rocks and it addresses a very important,
oft-ignored (especially by hollywood and the like) issue -- the crap done (and continuing
to be done) to native americans.  as far as the electic/elaborately orchestrated material
on s.o., i thought it was nice, but i would personally rather seem them keep that to
a minimum.  but on the other hand, it's their music and musical expression, not mine.
kinda like bob dylan -- you know, here's my music.  this is what i'm feeling at the moment.
if you don't like it, well too bad.  i don't see amy and emily going hollywood.  but i
do think we have to respect whatever twists or turns their music might take because
they are always trying to grow as artists. sorry this turned out to be a dissertation!

peace,

joan :)

i think, now i'm not positive, but i think she says, "replace your needs
with love."

just a thought.

mandy

on fri, 16 feb 1996, dan perkins wrote:

> on 16 feb 96 at 11:49, keith isbell wrote:
>
> > hi, guys.
> >         just a quick ?   i've always wondered what amy said at the very end
> > of kid fears on botby.  ideas?
>
>
> hmmmm, i have always thought she might be saying "the place where we
> start is love".
>
> but i ain't certain.
>
>
> peace y'all
> '
> dan "bassman" perkins
> '
> "although it was spontaneous, you'd think that it was well
> planned. the day the bass players took over the world"
>                                    -emily kaitz
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on fri, 16 feb 1996, dianne wrote:

> gang, i believe it's better known as: stream of consciousness.
>
> it's where you just talk (or write) off the top of your head.....

or of the top of one of your characters' heads (a la virginia woolf).

mat

on fri, 16 feb 1996, keith isbell wrote:

> hi, guys.
> just a quick ? i've always wondered what amy said at the very end
> of kid fears on botby. ideas?
>
> replace the need with love,
> keith

my impression right now, seven miles from the nearest ig cd is that she
says "your kids, hold onto 'em." this could be a total lie, however, or
it could be from another version. best i can do!

yours,
chris ii

hello all,

this is my first posting... i have been quietly lurking in the shadows.
i thought i would throw my 2 cents (well more like 25 cents) in
regarding some recent posts. i travel frequently and have to catch up to
the things going on. so here goes...
does anyone else dream about a & e ? i have had several dreams where
they appear, sometimes they play music, sometimes we just hang out and
talk, (same thing with melissa etheridge).
i read an article last summer in the local seattle paper when the jcs
tour was going on and amy commented on her religious practices of past
and present, she said presently she perfers to worship in the forest.
on my last trip i stumbled across a 24 carat gold collectors cd of
indigo girls... very cool (didn't even know they existed). on a previous
trip i picked up sprit of '73 and dedicated, both worthy purchases.
thanks to carlisle for the tmf steam, amy did something very similar in
seattle on the so tour. glad to have my memory refreshed.
i don't think a & e would go hollywood, it's just not their style. i
think melissa's lasted album was heavily influenced by her last trip
home due to her fathers death... confronting memories, fear and anger
etc...
and finally.... i have many fond memories of listening to their music
over the past 6 years, and my daily commutes would be very unpleasant if
i didnt have a & e to turn up loud and sing to while the traffic moves
slowly along.
if you've stuck with me this far, thanks for hangin in....

peace,

lisa

got to learn to respect what we don't understand
a. ray

on fri, 16 feb 1996, joan morrison wrote:

hi folks,

> i don't think amy and emily would ever become "hollywood" and here is
the reason why.
> i really like melissa etheridge. i was disappointed with your little
secret, but not
> because it was electric (i don't mind that one bit). it's because the
songs weren't

just a polite request - for those of you using wide screens, could
you please try and type shorter lines, or put a carriage return in
here or there? standard line width nowadays is, i believe, 80
characters, so if your message has more characters per line than that,
it'll be very hard to read for those of us with narrower screens.

cheers all,
sherlyn
(the one who wonders about the gall of religious doorknockers - don't
they *know* that people (ie. *me* :) like to sleep in on saturdays?)

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        "but way back where i come from, we never mean to bother,
         we don't like to make our passions other people's concern,
         and we walk in the world of safe people,
         and at night we walk into our houses and burn..."
                - dar williams, "iowa"

hi eveyone
i'm fairly new to the list and have enjoyed it already
someone from holland had asked about getting the watershed video
it can be ordered from ladyslipper music catalogue ladyslip@nando.net
they carry all sorts of great music and videos by women

also a silly "newbie" question
how do you all get those cool signatures to show up at the end of your posts?

thanks, gynergy

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just an observation:
the last 2 shows i saw melissa, i swear it was just like a glam rock
setup like whitesnake in 1988, this was in nov, 1994, before the unplugged
show, after woodstock, she sold out in a few hours in maine i believe. both
shows were in big arenas. the last time i saw ig was at dartmorth, where it
was the smallest show i had seen so on , i doubt that they wanna be holly
wood.
just my.02
mike r.

hi everyone!
here's some ig related things that are on my mind:

1200 curfews:
i was perusing the pictures again on the inside cover and i just love
the two pictures on the inside flaps of the cover...the individual shots
of amy and emily...you know where amy is jumping into the air, and emily
is just jamming on some solo..my dream would be to get bigger 81/2 by 11s
of those shots and somehow get them autographed!!!!!!

watershed video...
i have noticed in some pictures in the 1200 curfews liner notes as well
as in
the watershed video...that amy is wearing these heavy looking black framed
glasses. what's up with that? does amy need to wear glasses and just wears

contacts most of the time? or does she just wear specs once in a while when
she feels like it? just wondering! .......

guitar playing questions
     (i am in the process of learning to play "american tune"  ....:>).....)
     also, last week while tuning my guitar to the alternate tunings listed
for galileo
in the hal leanard rop songbook, i broke my 6th e-string trying to tune up to
a
c.  there's no way to tune up to a c without restringing the 6th string with
a b (5th) string instead of the normal e string.  am i clueless or doing
something wrong...?
i want so badly to learn more of the "newer" songs from rop and so, but all
the alternate tunings and the more sophisticated arrangements make it very
hard for
me to learn them.  any advise or comments?

cover me grey
     for the love of the common people is quickly becoming my favorite song
on this tape, and i am dying to know who originally performed this song.  i
did
take notice of the songwriters, but their names did not ring a bell.
listening to the
song gives me a deja vu feeling because i know i have heard the original
before
and just cannot place who does it.   please, someone, post and let me know
who did this song.

paul mccartney (ok my one nigc comment)
   this is goofy, but i was listening to p. mccartney tonight and
can't help but sing/think of the lyric of "auntie gin" in let 'em in as
the more technical, biology term "antigen" as paul sings it.  it makes
me want to rewrite the lyrics to explain the immune system or something...
i had a science teacher who brought in his guitar and sang "dem bones"
for our class when we were doing an anatomy section.  he was the coolest!
(rich delgrosso...if this reaches you out there somewhere, we miss you
  out here in mi...)

i guess that's all............thank you kindly (as nanci griffith says)!
love,
dana

hi again! ( hey there lisa! )
on 2-16-96 lisa (v-lisal) wrote:

>"does anyone else dream about a & e ? i have had several
>dreams where they appear, sometimes they play music, sometimes
>we just hang out and talk"

  i have dreamed about them before too........once was about a surprise visit
to our vacation place up north (in mi) where they showed up at out place as
sort of a retreat/hideout from the real world.  i think it was a take on the
christmas story (because i had the dream around xmas time) ..you
know no room at the inn kind of thing, because it felt like a & e were
on a journey and really just needed a place to crash for a night. plus that
dream was really kind of eerie because it was like i got to ask them every
question i have ever wanted to ask, and they kind of shaman-like answered
them..not always directly, but after the dream i awoke feeling relieved like
i knew some sort of secret answers about life or something.
   just last week too i dreamed about being at a sports camp where
my field hockey and lacrosse teams used to go play at, and having
a & e be there for that weekend get away.......in my dream, amy was
really tired and was asleep a lot, but emily hung out and let me play
her electric guitar...you know the huge hollow body one....the whole
dream experience turned into a kind of guitar lesson/jam.  right
before i woke up....in the last part of the dream, the music i was playing
woke amy up and she was impressed and wanted to join in with the
jam.
    ....just thought i would share my dream stuff with ya!  hope it
wasn't too boring.
   bye- dana

here's some thoughts on the hollywood/success thread that's out there:

   i don't think that a & e will sell out....on the contrary their success
has made it possible for them to do more of what they really want to
do.......like experimenting and developing sophiocticated arrangements
for songs like on rop and especially so.[even take a whole year off]
plus take jcs for example, i think being involved with that wasn't
necessarily risky per se, but was something that wouldn't have total
widespread cross-spectrum appeal for masses of people....and if
a & e were solely focussed on commercial success, they would not
have been involved with that at all.
   although, one thing about the success that is discouraging is the degree
to which a & e have to be separated from the audience.  the more fans
in larger arenas etc., it can never be like the uptown...you know?  i
never did get to see them at a really small venue...and am really jealous
of those who did!  and success takes its toll too....one of my biggest
fears is that a & e wake up one morning and just don't feel like doing
music anymore.  the hassles of touring and public appearances.  at some
point everyone needs a change .....a new challenge.......whatever.
look at the beatles........:>o
   i really am starting to lose it now, so i will say goodnight.
   bye~~~
  dana

fish out of water. a. ray

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actually, back in my early days of playing guitar i learned to play "hey
jesus" when i had a dream that emily taught me how. weird but i swear
it's true.
-julie

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

"this is my music; this is myself"
-emerson

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> guitar playing questions

> in the hal leanard rop songbook, i broke my 6th e-string trying to tune up to
> a
> c. there's no way to tune up to a c without restringing the 6th string with

heh! sorry, i had to laugh when i saw this... i assume you're playing
virigina woolfe here...

ready? (you're going to kick yourself real hard) tune down to the c. :-)

i.e. fret at 1 on the b string and tune to that. this allows the arpeggio
at the beginning to have the b-c-b part and yet still let the b and c
ring together. without the retuning you'd just have to play the b string,
fret at 1, and then unfret, and the sustaining maj7 (?) chord would not
be there. whatever. i think you understand.

that's so funny. :-) sorry, i don't mean to be mean. that'll sure break a
string though. :-) :-) :-) heh heh.

> and just cannot place who does it. please, someone, post and let me know
> who did this song. [love of the common people]

in a scene in sixteen candles (the movie) when molly ringwald is in her
room at some point (getting dressed for the dance???) it's playing in the
background. perhaps the credits at the end of the movie will help you.

/~~ /~\ /~\ |~ \ /
| |_| \-\ |- |
\__ | | \_/ |_ |

> i was perusing the pictures again on the inside cover and i just love
> the two pictures on the inside flaps of the cover...the individual shots

ok, list, check out this here scheme i've been tossing around for a spell:

i scan in the amy picure (which i love as well) at highres. i take it to
kinkos and get a big print made (potentially a hefty 48 by 28.8..that's big,
measure it out!) which then goes to a printers and gets reproduced.
list people compensate for the cost and get their posters in the mail. we
all live in an amy-poster-saturated brave new world.

problems:

1) money. if lots of people want this, it's not too expensive.
if not, it could be. it's $115 for the master 28.8 by 48 print, plus
printing costs, plus tube mailers, plus postage. the posters can be smaller,
which takes a little of the cost off. basically though it depends on demand.

2) copyright: if i'm going to be runnig this little program out of my
apartment i want to check with the management to make sure i don't get in
any hot water. there won't be a profit made. any legal advice? i can call
russel carter's people. :-) or someone else can do this and i'll just
send my $5 to them and take credit for the idea... :-)

3) technology: the picture will likely be too small to blow up to that
size with any kind of clarity. i can find out. i do have access to a
system powerful enough to hold the image (i think, i will see) so don't
worry too much about that. but the whole thing may be moot if the image
is to messed when it is scanned at so high a resolution (remember, it's
not a photographic print...) maybe we could procure a print from the
management if they dig this idea? (not likely, eh?)

do not send requests. please just respond if you have any ideas about the
process or comments you make. if i do this, i want to do the amy picture
in 1200 curfews, so that's not really up for discussion for me, by gum. :-)

later,

/~~ /~\ /~\ |~ \ /
| |_| \-\ |- | cda sucks
\__ | | \_/ |_ |

i had a dream that i was in a hotel room typing some stuff for a book
that i was writing and emily cam up behind and massaged my shoulders
i've had other dreams too but (*ahem*) i 'm not going to voice them
cause they're kinda personal and cooper and emily's gf (does she
ahve one?) would prolly kick my subconscious's ass....
*giggles*
but seriously, it was prolly because i have back problems and i really
want to go on tour with ig and write a book for them.
but that's a dream that's a little too far-fetched
"ah but a man's (woman's) reach should exceed his (her) grasp
or what's a heaen for?"-robert browning
sal-ray:)

okay i went to my favorite club tonight and there was a guy there
with a booth that was selling gay pride stuff...
i thought that if anyone out there was interested...here's the address

world pride p.o. box 33998 san antonio, tx. 78265
and the 800 numbe is: 1-800-864-2387

they have a catalogue in it and they sell everything
pride flags, banners, magnets, stickers, necklaces t-shirts...
rings....keychains...i could go on....
i got a price ring necklace...except the rings are actually bent
into triangls *giggles* and a woman/woman symbol sticker and a pride
flag magnet
they have flags that are 3 x 5 feet...i'm definately getting that one...
lotsa rainbow stuff....
call the number...it's free...ask for a catalogue
have a nice day :)
sal-ray

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date:         sat, 17 feb 1996 13:06:53 +0000
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sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         indigo jo <mts5@aber.ac.uk>
organization: prifysgol cymru - aberystwyth - university of wales
subject:      re: ordering videos from overseas
x-to:         "carol a. finlayson" <gynergy@aol.com>
in-reply-to:  <960216205715_224153109@emout08.mail.aol.com>

on fri, 16 feb 1996, carol a. finlayson wrote:

> hi eveyone
> i'm fairly new to the list and have enjoyed it already
> someone from holland had asked about getting the watershed video
> it can be ordered from ladyslipper music catalogue ladyslip@nando.net
> they carry all sorts of great music and videos by women
>

unless you have some way of converting from us to european video formats
there is no point in you ordering the watershed video since it won't fit
in your video machine!

> also a silly "newbie" question
> how do you all get those cool signatures to show up at the end of your posts?
>

depends on which mailer you use.   i've used eudora and pine - with
eudora there's a "signature" window which you pull down from the window
menu, which saves it in a file called signatur.pce which you can include
in any document.   with pine you select setup from the main menu, then
config, then there's an option for signature from the configuration menu.
(i use my old eudora sig.)   if you use xmail in x-windows, i think you
have to include a signature file or write it manually.

mat

to whoever was wondering about love of the common people:

i found this in my inbox; i was saving it because i wanted to find this
version. i don't know anything about it, but i thought it was really
interesting. joellen - i hope it's ok that i reposted this to the list.
jenn
jlk299s@nic.smsu.edu

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date: wed, 10 jan 1996 11:22:53 -0500
from: joellen ruvoli <jruvoli@nbc.com>
to: multiple recipients of list indigo-girls <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
subject: re: love of the common people

paul young also did a great cover of this song on his first album, circa
1984-85ish.

joellen

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on mon, 12 feb 1996, lorinda wright wrote:

> subject since the three ig dates this year will spawn countless road trips
> from countless people from countless miles away. so folks, what's the farthest
> you've ever travelled for the _sole_ purpose of seeing an ig-related event?

i know some of you have crossed oceans, but we did make what has to be
one of the farthest *road* trips...last summer for jcs! :) :) :) i drove
from phoenix to seattle. we are talking 27 hours, straight through
(picked up some crazy friends in utah to share the driving and fun. )
i basically spent more time in the car than in seattle--but it was
well worth it of course. (hallie--are you still out there, btw??)

froth, snowy white, and bubbles,
linda

                **and if through forwardness or wantonness, etc.,
                she shake it off, at any time, she is at no rest
                in her spirit, until she take it up again...**
                                ---the journal of john winthrop

could someone be so kind as to send me the www address for the nola jazz
& heritage fest.

thanks in advance.

lori

i'm all for it. count me in. just tell me if and when you need the money.
ben

all right, since i'm the one who suggested this idea, i guess i'll run with
it....

   the first time i heard sf was at my second ig concert, right after rop was
released.  ( btw, i still haven't got a copy of that first cd, so my comments
on these songs are from other interpretations).  my husband  and i always try
to guess what song they will open with, and as soon as they started singing i
knew i wasn't familiar with it.  but the power in it just blew me away!
since then, it has become one of my many favorites.  imo, this is probably
the strongest 'gay'  song that they done; by that i mean the message is loud
and clear. of course, since i'm not gay, i could be totally wrong!  any other
comments?

angie in kc

are you talking about the 2 pictures in 1200c?? i just go a great poster
from the ig fan club of those
exact pictures. just order the '1200 curfews poster'. it's great. i hung
it at work!!!

- jen hall
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from casey connor <chc1@cec.wustl.edu>, on 2/17/96 2:35 am:
to: <indigo-girls@netspace.org>

> i was perusing the pictures again on the inside cover and i just
love
> the two pictures on the inside flaps of the cover...the individual shots

ok, list, check out this here scheme i've been tossing around for a spell:

problems:

later,

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here are some things that were posted a while back when we had a discussion
about sf. it's long, but i think that some of the ideas presented are
definately worth it. they cover (at least) 2 previous incarnations of this
list over the past couple of years. enjoy!

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from: 87engbers@cua.edu
date: thu, 26 jan 1995 19:26:55 -0500 (est)
subject: strange fire
to: ctf@cgrg.ohio-state.edu
x-vms-to: in%"ctf@cgrg.ohio-state.edu"
sender: owner-ctf@cgrg.ohio-state.edu

        in book ii of paradise lost, satan and company have just gathered
their wits after a nine-day fall from heaven's heights to the dark flames of
hell.  they hold a council to determine their next move, and the demon moloch
speaks first, advocating a fiery revenge on god for damning the rebellious
spirits:
                                ...[god] shall hear
                infernal thunder, and for lightning see
                black fire and horror shot with equal rage
                among his angels, and his throne itself
                mixed with tartarean sulphur and strange fire,
                his own invented torments.(65-70)^^^^^^^ ^^^^

not exactly a "message of love," is it?! rereading these lines a
few nights ago, i was a little startled to find this phrase in this context.
there are few songs i like better than strange fire, and i think the phrase
works very well as a title for both song and album. but it also works very
well for moloch--in a very different way.

i began wondering these lines might connect with the "mercenaries of
the shrine" verse of strange fire--a verse which i could never quite understand
in the context of the rest of the song (to my regret). like moloch, the
voice of that verse seems to be challenging a religious authority which threat-
ens its freedom ("now who are you to speak for god...you gamble away our
freedom to gain your own authority").

        but then i say, whoa! hold your brimstone!  is it reasonable to import
issues of authority, freedom, and rebellion from paradise lost into this love
song through those two little words?!  did amy include that term so we'd hear
it say, "oh yes, look.  it's strange fire.  you know, paradise lose, book ii,
it and say, "oh yes, look:  strange fire.  you know, paradise lost!"?  even
emily doesn't usually seem to include references like that (the "wizard
behind the curtain" might be an exception--but that's a pretty obvious
behind the curtain" might demand knowledge of oz, but that's pretty wide-
spread).

imho, if amy consciously borrowed the phrase from milton, she also
consciously manipulated its meaning. if the borrowing and manipulation were
unconscious (a realistic possibility), they are no less successful.

reactions?

chad
87engbers@cua.edu
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from: heardbc@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu
date: thu, 26 jan 1995 23:56:11 -0600 (cst)
subject: strange fire
to: ctf@cgrg.ohio-state.edu
sender: owner-ctf@cgrg.ohio-state.edu

"reacting" to chad's recent post about "strange fire."

i don't immediately think of milton's paradise lost when i hear "strange
fire."  i think that has some interesting implications and i *don't* know
whence amy got her reference, but the 'original' phrase to which this could
be an allusion is to exodus 10:1.  nadab and abihu, priests to yhwh, decided
that they could light the altar of burnt offering froom just any ol' source.
in verse two they were proved quite wrong, for god turned that strange fire
on them and it consumed them.  cool, huh?  being from an unauthorized
source, this fire was strange.  in a sense they were 'offering' this strange
fire; it was part of the worship.  but really the fire was not the offering
like the meat later would be.

based on some ofamy's wording in the song, an dbased on her typical love
for biblical references, i think this is the more plausible of the two
sources.

the implications of this' being the "strange fire" is the risk that she
takes in offering this unorthodox style of love to her loved one. as with
any admission of love to anyone, we always take the chance that it will
turn on us and consume us. i don't think she is ccondemning any unorthodox
love (like exodus condemns unorthodox obedience by this account), if anything
she might be encouraging her listeners to make this sort of wager, at least
on the level of human-human love.

as i look at the lyrics again, i can't help but notice also the second
line of the last verse:  "you will dissolve all teh stones that are cast."
in the theocratic society of judaism, stoning was the capital punishment for
many sin/crimes.  one of these is the strange love of homosexuality.
coincidence?  i think not.

[note from jack: well, someone else saw that too, it looks like]

good thread.

harmoniously yours,

barry.

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from: "christopher m. becker" <cmbecker@space.mit.edu>
subject: re: strange fire
to: 87engbers@cua.edu
date: fri, 27 jan 95 11:35:15 est
cc: ctf@cgrg.ohio-state.edu (indigo-girls-send)
sender: owner-ctf@cgrg.ohio-state.edu

  i also don't think of milton.  i think of "strange fire" as a
reference to pentecost in acts (chapter 2?).  for those not familiar
with the christian tradition, after jesus was crucified the apostles
were scared (who wouldn't be--they just killed your leader, they are
probably after you next) and were huddled together in the upper room.
eventually, the holy spirit decended upon them, and burned inside like
"tongues of fire" after which they were empowered and went forth to
preach the gospel all over the world.  remember as you read this that
amy was a theology major in college.

the relevance? paul (the author of acts) symbolizes the holy spirit
as this strange fire (get it?) which is moved simply by god's love for his
choosen.

  i think amy takes this a step further.  "_i_ come to you with
strange fire, _i_ make an offering of love."  her strange fire
recognizes that all human beings have this ability to empower via love.
it is not different than that empowerment that the holy spirit
gave the 12, it is one and the same.  we all carry this strange fire
with in us, if we recognize it.

the next verse speaks of pretenders..."mercenaries of the shrine, now
who are you to speak for god," and later "now who delivered you the
power to interpret calvary? ... i'm in another state of mind." this
to me just emphasizes that the true spirit of god (spirit of love) does
not come to you just because you happen to be wearing the right vestments.
she shows absoulte contempt for people who use the name of god and spirit
and love for personal power and gain, while at the same time pointing
out that in each one of us is our own direct connection to the spirit,
whatever name you know it by, provided we recoginze it.

finally amy gives us the key to recognizing this strange fire...

        "when you learn to love yourself,
          you will dissolve all the stones that are cast.
          now you will learn to burn the icey [icing?] sky,
          melt the waxen mask..."

you need to love yourself to recogize that fire inside you.  without
that, you feel the stones, are isolated under the sky, and hide behind
your masks.  just like the moments prior to penetcost, when the
apostles were frightened to an almost catatonic point.  the offering
of strange fire that i can bring to you can help you see that love for
yourself in your love for others.  it is only in sharing that offering
that we can move the world forward beyond the need to throw stones and
hide oneself.

  if you haven't guessed, i take this song very personally.  it
touches me in a significant way.  i'm a practicing catholic, but i
have a deep humanistic trend in me.  almost word for word i can apply
this song to my life and to my philosophy of existance.  i personally
feel all of humanity are sons and daughters of god, we all are part
divine and carry god and creation inside of us--the strange fire.  it
connects us all. our actions are a direct reflection to the extent we
recognize that "fire" in ourselves and the world about us.  our
ultimate vocation is to spread the knowledge of what is inside all of
us to each other.  mind you, you can take every reference to "god" in
this post out and substutite what you like.  i choose god because of
my traditions and what i've seen ("no way construction of this tricky
plan, was made by other than a greater hand.")

ok, so it was a bit more that $0.02 =). take it or leave it.
as we say in program, thanks for listening.

-- chris

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>from: "chris v papadimitriou" <cs942108@ariel.cs.yorku.ca>
>date: fri, 27 jan 95 14:09:58 est
>to: dmon@hidwater.com
>subject: re: strange fire
>
>hrm...well, ya someone looked it up :)
>
>anyways, it'sproverbs 6:17....exact lines are:
>
>       a proud look,
>       a lying tongue,
>       hands that shed innocent blood.
>

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from: christopher tapio <gctapio@wheel.ucdavis.edu>
reply-to: christopher tapio <gctapio@wheel.ucdavis.edu>
to: ogleyak@aol.com
cc: indigo-girls@indigo.mese.com
subject: re: strange fire..

what is strange fire?

when i saw a&e in '89, amy explained the background of the song
as having to do with religious bigotry by televangelists and others and
"strange fire" being something like the truth, ie it is "strange" to them.
- chris

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[a little more from chris becker...some repeat some not]

i think "strange fire" refers to the holy spirit, pentecost, and
"tongues of fire". i'm going to assume not everyone on this list is
christian (and those of us who are may not remember exactly, i didn't),
so from acts 2:1-4 ....

        "and when the day of pentecost had come, they [the 12
        apostles] were all together in one place.  and suddenly there
        came from heaven a noise like a violent, rushing wind, and it
        filled the whole house where they were sitting. and there
        appeared to the tongues as of fire distributing themselves,
        and they rested on each one of them.  and they were filled
        with the holy spirit and began to speak with other tongues, as
        the spirit was giving them utterance"

as for the song, i think it is about amy's frustration not with
religion per se, but with some of those who are teaching it as a job
or in an opportunistic manner--"mercinaries of the shrine, now who are
you to speak for god?" i think her point is that any one with "strange fire"
(or the spirit) in them is more capable at being spiritual or interpeting
their religion than any "mercinary".

then amy goes further (and this is where i picture brooke's original
post fitting in).  amy tells us what she thinks that message is in
very simple terms. "i come to you with strange fire.  i make an
offering of love" i think brooke is right, this song is about love.  a
love amy brings to her life.  remember amy majored in religion.  she
also grew up in the bible belt as a lesbian--i can't imagine the
juxtapostion of these things would be too easy.

i can not speak to her experiences, but as a hetrosexual white male
catholic, i get ticked off when the church starts going off on
homosexuality or women priests--and its not even my personal
experience. it doesn't change my spirituality though. i think that
is amy's point. she has the "strange fire" and despite those who
speak loudly from the pulpit, she knows in her heart what the true
message is.

take care all,

chris
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well, anyone who made it down this far, you must really like this song :-).
i hope that you found this interesting. this is the sort of thing that i
saved this for.

jack
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at 12:06 pm 2/17/96 -0500, you wrote:
>there are 14 messages totalling 501 lines in this issue.
>
>topics in this special issue:
>
>  1. stuff that dreams are made of...... (2)
>  2. hollywood
>  3. random thoughts/questions (sigc)
>  4. *** amy-poster idea *** (3)
>  5. i dream of ig....
>  6. paraphenalia (did i spell that right?)
>  7. ordering videos from overseas
>  8. love of the common people (fwd)
>  9. from desert to pier...
> 10. request for nola home page address
> 11. today is "strange fire" day!
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>date:    sat, 17 feb 1996 00:28:03 -0500
>from:    dana warnez <danaw1208@aol.com>
>subject: stuff that dreams are made of......
>
>hi again! ( hey there lisa! )
>on 2-16-96 lisa (v-lisal) wrote:
>
>>"does anyone else dream about a & e ? i have had several
>>dreams where they appear, sometimes they play music, sometimes
>>we just hang out and talk"
>
>  i have dreamed about them before too........once was about a surprise visit
>to our vacation place up north (in mi) where they showed up at out place as
>sort of a retreat/hideout from the real world.  i think it was a take on the
>christmas story (because i had the dream around xmas time) ..you
>know no room at the inn kind of thing, because it felt like a & e were
>on a journey and really just needed a place to crash for a night. plus that
>dream was really kind of eerie because it was like i got to ask them every
>question i have ever wanted to ask, and they kind of shaman-like answered
>them..not always directly, but after the dream i awoke feeling relieved like
>i knew some sort of secret answers about life or something.
>   just last week too i dreamed about being at a sports camp where
>my field hockey and lacrosse teams used to go play at, and having
>a & e be there for that weekend get away.......in my dream, amy was
>really tired and was asleep a lot, but emily hung out and let me play
>her electric guitar...you know the huge hollow body one....the whole
>dream experience turned into a kind of guitar lesson/jam.  right
>before i woke up....in the last part of the dream, the music i was playing
>woke amy up and she was impressed and wanted to join in with the
>jam.
>    ....just thought i would share my dream stuff with ya!  hope it
>wasn't too boring.
>   bye- dana
>
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>------------------------------
>
>date:    sat, 17 feb 1996 00:27:51 -0500
>from:    dana warnez <danaw1208@aol.com>
>subject: hollywood
>
>   here's some thoughts on the hollywood/success thread that's out there:
>
>   i don't think that a & e will sell out....on the contrary their success
>has made it possible for them to do more of what they really want to
>do.......like experimenting and developing sophiocticated arrangements
> for songs like on rop and especially so.[even take a whole year off]
> plus take jcs for example, i think being involved with that wasn't
>necessarily risky per se, but was something that wouldn't have total
>widespread cross-spectrum appeal for masses of people....and if
>a & e were solely focussed on commercial success, they would not
>have been involved with that at all.
>   although, one thing about the success that is discouraging is the degree
>to which a & e have to be separated from the audience.  the more fans
>in larger arenas etc., it can never be like the uptown...you know?  i
>never did get to see them at a really small venue...and am really jealous
>of those who did!  and success takes its toll too....one of my biggest
>fears is that a & e wake up one morning and just don't feel like doing
>music anymore.  the hassles of touring and public appearances.  at some
>point everyone needs a change .....a new challenge.......whatever.
>look at the beatles........:>o
>   i really am starting to lose it now, so i will say goodnight.
>   bye~~~
>  dana
>
>fish out of water.  a. ray
>
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>------------------------------
>
>date:    sat, 17 feb 1996 00:52:31 -0500
>from:    julie elaine goldman <jgold16@emory.edu>
>subject: re: stuff that dreams are made of......
>
>actually, back in my early days of playing guitar i learned to play "hey
>jesus" when i had a dream that emily taught me how.  weird but i swear
>it's true.
>  -julie
>
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>        "this is my music; this is myself"
>                                -emerson
>
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
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>
>date:    sat, 17 feb 1996 02:24:05 -0600
>from:    casey connor <chc1@cec.wustl.edu>
>subject: re: random thoughts/questions (sigc)
>
>> guitar playing questions
>
>> in the hal leanard rop songbook, i broke my 6th e-string trying to tune up to
>> a
>> c.  there's no way to tune up to a c without restringing the 6th string with
>
>heh! sorry, i had to laugh when i saw this... i assume you're playing
>virigina woolfe here...
>
>ready? (you're going to kick yourself real hard) tune down to the c. :-)
>
>i.e. fret at 1 on the b string and tune to that. this allows the arpeggio
>at the beginning to have the b-c-b part and yet still let the b and c
>ring together. without the retuning you'd just have to play the b string,
>fret at 1, and then unfret, and the sustaining maj7 (?) chord would not
>be there. whatever. i think you understand.
>
>that's so funny. :-) sorry, i don't mean to be mean. that'll sure break a
>string though. :-) :-) :-) heh heh.
>
>
>> and just cannot place who does it.   please, someone, post and let me know
>> who did this song. [love of the common people]
>
>in a scene in sixteen candles (the movie) when molly ringwald is in her
>room at some point (getting dressed for the dance???) it's playing in the
>background. perhaps the credits at the end of the movie will help you.
>
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>date:    sat, 17 feb 1996 02:35:37 -0600
>from:    casey connor <chc1@cec.wustl.edu>
>subject: *** amy-poster idea ***
>
>>      i was perusing the pictures again on the inside cover and i just love
>> the two pictures on the inside flaps of the cover...the individual shots
>
>ok, list, check out this here scheme i've been tossing around for a spell:
>
>i scan in the amy picure (which i love as well) at highres. i take it to
>kinkos and get a big print made (potentially a hefty 48 by 28.8..that's big,
>measure it out!) which then goes to a printers and gets reproduced.
>list people compensate for the cost and get their posters in the mail. we
>all live in an amy-poster-saturated brave new world.
>
>problems:
>
>1) money. if lots of people want this, it's not too expensive.
>if not, it could be. it's $115 for the master 28.8 by 48 print, plus
>printing costs, plus tube mailers, plus postage. the posters can be smaller,
>which takes a little of the cost off. basically though it depends on demand.
>
>2) copyright: if i'm going to be runnig this little program out of my
>apartment i want to check with the management to make sure i don't get in
>any hot water. there won't be a profit made. any legal advice? i can call
>russel carter's people. :-) or someone else can do this and i'll just
>send my $5 to them and take credit for the idea... :-)
>
>3) technology: the picture will likely be too small to blow up to that
>size with any kind of clarity. i can find out. i do have access to a
>system powerful enough to hold the image (i think, i will see) so don't
>worry too much about that. but the whole thing may be moot if the image
>is to messed when it is scanned at so high a resolution (remember, it's
>not a photographic print...) maybe we could procure a print from the
>management if they dig this idea? (not likely, eh?)
>
>do not send requests. please just respond if you have any ideas about the
>process or comments you make. if i do this, i want to do the amy picture
>in 1200 curfews, so that's not really up for discussion for me, by gum. :-)
>
>later,
>
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>
>date:    sat, 17 feb 1996 05:28:24 -0600
>from:    "tracy l. fears" <und_tlf@hal.lamar.edu>
>subject: i dream of ig....
>
>i had a dream that i was in a hotel room typing some stuff for a book
>that i was writing and emily cam up behind and massaged my shoulders
>i've had other dreams too but (*ahem*) i 'm not going to voice them
>cause they're kinda personal and cooper and emily's gf (does she
>ahve one?) would prolly kick my subconscious's ass....
>*giggles*
>but seriously, it was prolly because i have back problems and i really
>want to go on tour with ig and write a book for them.
>but that's a dream that's a little too far-fetched
>"ah but a man's (woman's) reach should exceed his (her) grasp
>or what's a heaen for?"-robert browning
>sal-ray:)
>
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>
>date:    sat, 17 feb 1996 05:34:27 -0600
>from:    "tracy l. fears" <und_tlf@hal.lamar.edu>
>subject: paraphenalia (did i spell that right?)
>
>okay i went to my favorite club tonight and there was a guy there
>with a booth that was selling gay pride stuff...
>i thought that if anyone out there was interested...here's the address
>
>world pride  p.o. box 33998  san antonio, tx.  78265
>and the 800 numbe is: 1-800-864-2387
>
>they have a catalogue in it and they sell everything
>pride flags, banners, magnets, stickers, necklaces t-shirts...
>rings....keychains...i could go on....
>i got a price ring necklace...except the rings are actually bent
>into triangls *giggles* and a woman/woman symbol sticker and a pride
>flag magnet
>they have flags that are 3 x 5 feet...i'm definately getting that one...
>lotsa rainbow stuff....
>call the number...it's free...ask for a catalogue
>have a nice day :)
>sal-ray
>
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>date:    sat, 17 feb 1996 13:06:53 +0000
>from:    indigo jo <mts5@aber.ac.uk>
>subject: re: ordering videos from overseas
>
>on fri, 16 feb 1996, carol a. finlayson wrote:
>
>> hi eveyone
>> i'm fairly new to the list and have enjoyed it already
>> someone from holland had asked about getting the watershed video
>> it can be ordered from ladyslipper music catalogue   ladyslip@nando.net
>> they carry all sorts of great music and videos by women
>>
>
>unless you have some way of converting from us to european video formats
>there is no point in you ordering the watershed video since it won't fit
>in your video machine!
>
>> also a silly "newbie" question
>> how do you all get those cool signatures to show up at the end of your posts?
>>
>
>depends on which mailer you use.   i've used eudora and pine - with
>eudora there's a "signature" window which you pull down from the window
>menu, which saves it in a file called signatur.pce which you can include
>in any document.   with pine you select setup from the main menu, then
>config, then there's an option for signature from the configuration menu.
>(i use my old eudora sig.)   if you use xmail in x-windows, i think you
>have to include a signature file or write it manually.
>
>mat
>
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>
>date:    sat, 17 feb 1996 08:17:08 -0600
>from:    keller jennifer l <jlk299s@nic.smsu.edu>
>subject: re: love of the common people (fwd)
>
>to whoever was wondering about love of the common people:
>
>i found this in my inbox; i was saving it because i wanted to find this
>version.  i don't know anything about it, but i thought it was really
>interesting.  joellen - i hope it's ok that i reposted this to the list.
>jenn
>jlk299s@nic.smsu.edu
>
>
>---------- forwarded message ----------
>date: wed, 10 jan 1996 11:22:53 -0500
>from: joellen ruvoli <jruvoli@nbc.com>
>to: multiple recipients of list indigo-girls <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
>subject: re: love of the common people
>
>paul young also did a great cover of this song on his first album, circa
>1984-85ish.
>
>joellen
>
>
>
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>date:    sat, 17 feb 1996 07:31:48 -0800
>from:    linda joanne napikoski <napikosk@chaph.usc.edu>
>subject: from desert to pier...
>
>on mon, 12 feb 1996, lorinda wright wrote:
>
>> subject since the three ig dates this year will spawn countless road trips
>> from countless people from countless miles away. so folks, what's the
farthest
>> you've ever travelled for the _sole_ purpose of seeing an ig-related event?
>
>i know some of you have crossed oceans, but we did make what has to be
>one of the farthest *road* trips...last summer for jcs! :) :) :) i drove
>from phoenix to seattle. we are talking 27 hours, straight through
>(picked up some crazy friends in utah to share the driving and fun. )
> i basically spent more time in the car than in seattle--but it was
>well worth it of course. (hallie--are you still out there, btw??)
>
>
>froth, snowy white, and bubbles,
>linda
>
>                **and if through forwardness or wantonness, etc.,
>                she shake it off, at any time, she is at no rest
>                in her spirit, until she take it up again...**
>                                ---the journal of john winthrop
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>date:    sat, 17 feb 1996 10:24:41 -0600
>from:    "rendie g. toenes" <rtoenes@jaguar1.usouthal.edu>
>subject: request for nola home page address
>
>could someone be so kind as to send me the www address for the nola jazz
>& heritage fest.
>
>thanks in advance.
>
>lori
>
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>date:    sat, 17 feb 1996 09:26:30 -0700
>from:    verdi@imap2.asu.edu
>subject: re: *** amy-poster idea ***
>
>i'm all for it. count me in. just tell me if and when you need the money.
>ben
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>date:    sat, 17 feb 1996 11:37:24 -0500
>from:    angela ciesla <angiecies@aol.com>
>subject: today is "strange fire" day!
>
>all right, since i'm the one who suggested this idea, i guess i'll run with
>it....
>
>   the first time i heard sf was at my second ig concert, right after rop was
>released.  ( btw, i still haven't got a copy of that first cd, so my comments
>on these songs are from other interpretations).  my husband  and i always try
>to guess what song they will open with, and as soon as they started singing i
>knew i wasn't familiar with it.  but the power in it just blew me away!
> since then, it has become one of my many favorites.  imo, this is probably
>the strongest 'gay'  song that they done; by that i mean the message is loud
>and clear. of course, since i'm not gay, i could be totally wrong!  any other
>comments?
>
>
>angie in kc
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>date:    sat, 17 feb 1996 10:40:11 cst
>from:    jennifer hall <jennifer=hall%ts=syscall2%cs=hou@bangate.compaq.com>
>subject: re: *** amy-poster idea ***
>
>are you talking about the 2 pictures in 1200c??  i just go a great poster
>from the ig fan club of those
>exact pictures.  just order the '1200 curfews poster'.  it's great.  i hung
>it at work!!!
>
> - jen hall
>-------------
>original text
>>from casey connor <chc1@cec.wustl.edu>, on 2/17/96 2:35 am:
>to: <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
>
>>      i was perusing the pictures again on the inside cover and i just
>love
>> the two pictures on the inside flaps of the cover...the individual shots
>
>ok, list, check out this here scheme i've been tossing around for a spell:
>
>i scan in the amy picure (which i love as well) at highres. i take it to
>kinkos and get a big print made (potentially a hefty 48 by 28.8..that's big,
>measure it out!) which then goes to a printers and gets reproduced.
>list people compensate for the cost and get their posters in the mail. we
>all live in an amy-poster-saturated brave new world.
>
>problems:
>
>1) money. if lots of people want this, it's not too expensive.
>if not, it could be. it's $115 for the master 28.8 by 48 print, plus
>printing costs, plus tube mailers, plus postage. the posters can be smaller,
>which takes a little of the cost off. basically though it depends on
>demand.
>
>2) copyright: if i'm going to be runnig this little program out of my
>apartment i want to check with the management to make sure i don't get in
>any hot water. there won't be a profit made. any legal advice? i can call
>russel carter's people. :-) or someone else can do this and i'll just
>send my $5 to them and take credit for the idea... :-)
>
>3) technology: the picture will likely be too small to blow up to that
>size with any kind of clarity. i can find out. i do have access to a
>system powerful enough to hold the image (i think, i will see) so don't
>worry too much about that. but the whole thing may be moot if the image
>is to messed when it is scanned at so high a resolution (remember, it's
>not a photographic print...) maybe we could procure a print from the
>management if they dig this idea? (not likely, eh?)
>
>do not send requests. please just respond if you have any ideas about the
>process or comments you make. if i do this, i want to do the amy picture
>in 1200 curfews, so that's not really up for discussion for me, by gum. :-)
>
>later,
>
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she could drag me over the rainbow and send me away...

another thought on the posters....my local music store has them up on the
wall, one big poster with the two individual pix on them (amy jumping with
guitar, emily playing electric guitar) and if you go into your local store,
they may still have them there too, and may be willing to give them to you
for free (they usually just get thrown out) if they aren't still using them
to promote the album....of course my friend already has dibs on all the ones
here (hi carrie b! yes, they are still saving the whole lot for you, i
asked...).

s'later
k
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date:         sat, 17 feb 1996 12:53:52 est
reply-to:     "christopher m. becker" <cmbecker@space.mit.edu>
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from:         "christopher m. becker" <cmbecker@space.mit.edu>
subject:      re: strange fire.
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              feb 17, 96 12:02 pm

wow! thanks jack you saved me from posting that stuff over again.
*grin* only one correction as was pointed out to me when i posted
that the first time. paul didn't write acts (like i said), luke did.

btw, this is a great thread idea. =) i need to go look at the "crazy
game" lyrics.... *smile*

-- chris

i have to agree that i'm falling in love with the ig version of lotcp,
it simply rocks. there is an excellent cd boot of this song on
"history of us" (kts 432) from a 1989 atlanta show.

   ** warning!  if you run into this boot, demand to listen to **
   ** it first.  many list members had problems with the cd    **
   ** simply stopping (i believe during mona lisas and mad     **
   ** hatters).                                                **

although if you get a good one, the second half is excellent (the
first half is a 1993 opening for the dead in oregon--good set, but no
crowd excitement).

i have a good copy and am willing to make tapes for people for the
standard trade or tape+postage thing; however, not yet! =) i have to
give a talk in munich 10 days from now and i really should start
preping it.... when i get back i'll open the floor if people are
interested.

-- chris

p.s. excuse my ignorance, but who actually wrote lotcp?

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chris, love of the common people was originally written
by hurley and wilkins.

it is excellent, don't ya think?

erica

> are you talking about the 2 pictures in 1200c?? i just go a great poster
> from the ig fan club of those
> exact pictures. just order the '1200 curfews poster'. it's great. i hung
> it at work!!!

ok, well then. never mind! :-) is this available when one is not in the
fan club? and what sort of poster are we talking about (size, etc... is
it one poster with both pics?)

thanks a lot,

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ok, any and all info besides the following regarding love of the common
people send to me, ok? every few months we talk about this song for like
300 posts and go through the same questions, so i'm going to compile a
lotcp faq and send it to the list the instant someone brings it up next time.

what i know:

-------
it was written by hurley and wilkins (more info on them would be good.)

it can be found on reverse-1 live, history of us, the grand cover tape,
and can be heard in sixteen candles for a few seconds. (anywhere else?)

there was a cover done by paul young in 84/85 on his first album (perhaps
the 16 candles vresion?)
--------

if you know anything else, write me. :-)

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hello:

i just wanted to jot down a few things:
re: "gang, i believe it's better known as : stream of
consciousness"

well, um, _i_ kinda liked "stream of conscience". seems
appropriate.

re: watershed---> emily says "... it would be hard to say what my
life would be like, unattached to this particular experiece - as an
artist, signed to a major lable. it would be more than nothing. it
would be so much more than nothing."

well, um, what does that mean?

and, finally, who's that little girl in the outdoor shots when
they're discussing the habitat for humanity video?  anyone know?
just wondering.   well, think i'm gonna go out and play the new paul
reed smith at the music shop at the mall now.  take care.

remember peace
maureen

i plan on being at the jazz festival on 5/2 and have 11th row tickets to
the 5/4 show at uno!!!  i can't wait!  flying all the way from california!
  does anyone know if they permit camping at, or near, the jazz festival
fairgrounds?  this would be a really cheap way to go and i wouldn't have to
hassle with finding a hotel room.  anyone else planning on doing this?
see ya there!!
linda

linda perrine
lap@ix.netcom.com (home)
lperrine@adobe.com (work)

hey y'all
   let me just tell you that ms. ray is _definetly(x 12)_ not a bitch.
today i had to play for her at this thing...  see, i took guitar lessons
from angela motter for a while (she's old friends of the girls) and a
couple of times a year, all of her students get together for a "master
class" in which we critique one another and see how we've advanced.
angela brings in local musicians to tell us about songwriting and the
like.  she's brought in such greats as wendy bucklew and david
patterson... then last fall she got emily to come.   it was sooooo scary
b/c i just admire her in so many ways...i was just _shaking_ when i
played for her.  so anyway, today we had a master class and amy was the
guest artist.  she is so fnarkin' cool in person!  i mean, since i live
in atlanta i've seen her around for the last 7 years or whatever but i
never say anything to them b/c i'm always afraid that particularly dumb
words will spew from my mouth (ahem, shannon....).
         but today for some blessed reason, i wasn't really nervous.  i
played my song and it went over real well.  my friend ashley sang w/ me
and serve doubly as a security blanket through this thing (katherine --
the girl i play w/ semi-professionally had to work today).  the song,
astoundingly enough, actually went well and i didn't mess up much and for
some reason i actually felt confident in the face of amy...
        so then amy played some really new heartwrenching relationshippy
songs -- really depressing intense loud ones and then she talked about
her process and stuff.  i asked her about those stream of consciousness
(sp) things, and she said that they're not preplanned at all, but she and
e do have certain signals to say when there going into it or ending it.
like if amy yells a certain word 5 times, then they know to come back
into the song, etc.  but basically she says whatever comes out, w/o
planning it in advance.  she opens herself to the muse and says if you do
that then regardless of whether you're interacting w/ the audience, you
will communicate with them.   man, i wish i'd had a tape recorder there
('cept i would've felt dumb using it) so i could give y'all some direct
quotes.  she said some really cool stuff.  zowie it's a good day so far. (:
        oh, and the best part is this.  when ash and i were leaving, we
were chatting w/ a  and she said "man, i never wrote anything that good
when i was your age" (btw, ash is also a kickass songwriter and she sang
one of her songs today, too).  cool, eh?  wow. i'm a little euphoric right now, you'll have to excuse me...
        so anyway i just wanted to share.
  thanks y'all
     julie

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"this is my music; this is myself"
-emerson

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

maureen writes:
>>re: watershed---> emily says "... it would be hard to say what my
life would be like, unattached to this particular experiece - as an
artist, signed to a major lable. it would be more than nothing. it
would be so much more than nothing."

well, um, what does that mean?<<
i'm glad i'm not the only one who didn't get that response. :)
rick

~*~*~*~*~*~*~*you have to laugh at yourself because
you'd cry your eyes out if you didn't~*~*~*~*emily
saliers

the next time i fall
  (the next time i fall)
i'm gonna have to recall
   that it isn't love
it's only
  s o m e t h i n g   n e w
{emily saliers}

hey, this talk about getting the poster from the fan club reminds me... i've
sent some email to the address printed in the 1200 curfews book, for info, but
haven't ever gotten any response... anyone else ever gotten email from there???
:)
just wondering,
rick
(listening to barbra streisand: one voice)

~*~*~*~*~*~*~*you have to laugh at yourself because
you'd cry your eyes out if you didn't~*~*~*~*emily
saliers

the next time i fall
  (the next time i fall)
i'm gonna have to recall
   that it isn't love
it's only
  s o m e t h i n g   n e w
{emily saliers}

thanks to all who posted some guitar advise!
  should have known better than to tune up.....
  these are the things that happen when you totally teach
  yourself how to play i guess......big smile to all who helped!
      bye, dana

          julie-
          now that truly is the "amy day" of a lifetime.  wow!  i am
          green, and happy for you.

towanda

wow, jack that was great! i hope that we can get the same kind of response
when we talk about all the songs.

angie in kc

          hey gang-
          i *think* that what e means when she said that ..."more than
          nothing" quote is this:

          her life in contrast to the one she is experiencing now
          would seem like a pointless existence...in essence,
          nothing...and for emphasis she added --more than nothing--
          which is impossible. how can you have more of nothing?

so basically she can't imagine her life without this
experience being as incredible as her life now.

sorry if this was confusing...brain cramp.

towanda

it was a replacement for 'three hits to the heart' poster that the fan club
had listed in their sept. '95 newsletter.  it's a regular sized poster
(what, 3'x 2'??).
it's now listed in their merchandise offering as '1200 curfews' poster.
yes, the poster has both
amy's 'in the air' picture, and emilys 'guitar playing' shot.  it's great!
on the top in red colored script, it
says 'indigo girls' and on the bottom right, it says '1200 curfews'.  it's
$7.50 - - very much worth it.

- jen h.
-------------
original text
from casey connor <chc1@cec.wustl.edu>, on 2/17/96 1:08 pm:
to: <indigo-girls@netspace.org>

> are you talking about the 2 pictures in 1200c?? i just go a great poster
> from the ig fan club of those
> exact pictures. just order the '1200 curfews poster'. it's great. i
hung
> it at work!!!

ok, well then. never mind! :-) is this available when one is not in the
fan club? and what sort of poster are we talking about (size, etc... is
it one poster with both pics?)

thanks a lot,

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i am not currently a member of the fan club... but i have seen several
posts regarding ig posters.... if someone could please post an address, web
url, or something of the sort of which i could find these....either via the
net or snail mail.... it would be greatly appreciated.

thanks in advance,
jeff
"messiah,
i know you are there,
catching, carrying, this beautiful mess."

within a room somewhere-
sixpence none the richer

hi !
does anyone know if the swamp ophelia songbook(guitar chords, lyrics,
etc.) is available? if so, can i get it at a music store or is it
available through the fan club? if it's through the fan club how do i
order it?
                              thanks,
                              karen
                              putterx@ix.netcom.com

i am looking for an addrress for rebecca gaukroger (gaukroge@uiuc.edu). she
used to be on this list, and her email address is bouncing. it is urgent that
i reach her. any help will be appreciated.

thanks
kate

my tagline is from a song named "within a room somewhere" by the band
sixpence none the richer... it's a christian band who have toured with
10,000 maniacs...etc...  really good band in my mind... i just thought the
quote fit my religious views..
"messiah,
  i know you are there,
  catching, carrying, this beautiful mess."

within a room somewhere-
sixpence none the richer

hey all, um.... i'd like to thank all those people that gave out info on the
indigo girls for the 5/4 show.  i'm so happy that i'm going to get to see
them again.  i saw them when they were here in san diego.
  anyway, i got my tickets and hotel and everything.  i booked the hotel
through travelers advantage... they told me that most places are sold out
unless you want to pay way over a hundred dollars.  so, i'm gonna be at the
travel lodge; 8 miles from the french quarter, but it's only $68 a night :)
  thanks again, and i'd love to meet "y'all" :)  maybe we could all meet
somewhere in the quarter.
  btw, has anyone noticed (i'm sure lots of you have) that emily sings
"street person" in hammer and a nail on the cd, but on all the live versions
i've heard, she sings "person on a street."  do you think she changed this so
it would be more "politically correct"?   just wondering.
ba bye....
renee

does anyone know the mailing adress for cypress records ?
i'm trying to find a copy of "laura nyro live at the bottom line"
and having no luck. if anyone can help me please e- mail me.

thanks!
claire

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meee toooooooo....
-mandy

on sat, 17 feb 1996, joan reale wrote:

> hi !
> does anyone know if the swamp ophelia songbook(guitar chords, lyrics,
> etc.) is available? if so, can i get it at a music store or is it
> available through the fan club? if it's through the fan club how do i
> order it?
>                               thanks,
>                               karen
>                               putterx@ix.netcom.com
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i've heard some talk about the ig fan club and their newsletters but i
haven't seen one yet. i sent snail mail tothe fan club, the address in
the jackets of the cd's as well as sending email to the club but have
gotten no response either way!!! :( can anyone help me out here? :)

thanks in advance!

noi :)

hi again...
        okay, i know i've already posted a happy msg today but please let
me type on...
        tonight i saw ani (!!!) at variety playhouse.  she is ever so
cool.  and for igc, a & e were there.  not that i said "hi" or anything.
also, during  "the diner" (i think) ani added in the chorus to closer to
fine.  i'll leave that to the collective imagination (those of you who've
heard ani understand that ctf and the diner are like polar
opposites...).  anyhow, just wanted to share...
  pax,
    julie

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

"this is my music; this is myself"
-emerson

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

the indigo girls fan club is free, and you can write to them at:

indigo girls
c/o russel carter
315 w. ponce de leon ave, suite 755
decatur, ga 30030

their e-mail address is:

igfan@rcam.com

the fan club web site is at the sony site:

www.sony.com/music/artistinfo/indigogirls

enjoy!
- jen h.
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from jeff <spectre@silence.net>, on 2/17/96 3:59 pm:
to: <indigo-girls@netspace.org>

thanks in advance,
jeff
"messiah,
i know you are there,
catching, carrying, this beautiful mess."

within a room somewhere-
sixpence none the richer

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hey karen, you can order it thru the fan club. it costs $18.50. i can fax
you the order form if you'd like.

let me know! take care,
- jen
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i'm really enjoying the resonses to strange fire. some pretty deep stuff
there!
one of my favorite things about art is how it can be interpreted in so
many ways,and all of them are valid. once created it takes on a life of its
own !
for me, sf has allways been about being critical of those "mercenar[ies] of
the shrine" who would use the coak of religion to preach hate, and as an
excuse to persecute others.and they can only be overcome through love.
(love your ememies)

besides the lyrical aspect,
i love the driving e - a9 chord changes, i love to play it... it feels so
good,
it hits me right in the heart chakra, as do many of ar's chord progressions,
when i hear, or play them, i feel like i'm riding on waves.

you know... i've often heard ar speak in a self-deprecating manner
regarding her guitar playing during interviews.but i disagree, rhythm
guitar is a very important partof music and ar is very gifted in that
respect,
she brings the same passion to her guitar work that permeates the rest
of her work. i have learned a lot by listening to, and watching her play !

claire

- i'm gettin kinda fonda the hole in the couch
that i named brenda-
deacon lunchbox

i am new to the list, and i have noticed a few references to the cover of
"mona lisas & mad hatters" on something called "history of us"...i don't
know if this is the same thing, but i work at a college radio station and
we have a pretty huge record collection, and one day when i was feeling
festive, i skimmed through the "folk" vinyl section to see what ig we had.
well, there was one record that was listed as an "epic promo" that had 5
live tracks and one studio single. the single is "land of canaan" and
the five live are: "secure yourself," "kid fears," "mona lisas & mad
hatters," "love of the common people," and "crazy game."

unfortunately, my knowledge of "alternative ig" is quite nill...so it's
entirely possible that everyone has a copy or something...<duh> but if
anyone would like one, i would be more than happy to tape a copy.
granted, it's coming from vinyl, but i do have neato studio access so the
sound quality will actually be quite good.

so there you go,

kristen

happy chinese new year y'all!

just turned on tv while eating our nienjifan when i heard this familiar
"c'mon everybody gotta love one another right now..." with a reagge beat.
it was indeed our indigo-girls song covered by this band "big
mountain"!!!! (remember baby i love your way??)

okay, i wouldn't say it's better than ig's version, but it just sounds
really really really good!!!

gavin

i've always loved "merceneries of the shrine who are you to speak of
god". i heard on channel-v (a music channel in asia) that some
foundamentalist churches claim publicly that joan osborne would go to
hell because of what she says in "one of us".

i wonder just who are they to send someone to hell.

sorry, i know on chinese new year's eve you shoudln't get mad, but this
really makes me mad...

gavin trying to smile

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x-to:         rtoenes@jaguar1.usouthal.edu

here's the url:

http://www.yatcom.com/neworl/jfest/jfesttop.html

- jen h.
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could someone be so kind as to send me the www address for the nola jazz
& heritage fest.

thanks in advance.

lori

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here's the merchandise that the ig fan club offers. i did double check all
my order codes and prices, so i don't see any pertinent typos.
if you want a faxed copy, e-mail me back with your fax number and i'll fax
you both the merchandise list and order form.

- jen hall

**************************************************************
exceptionally beautiful over-dyed swamp ophelia t's. multi-colored print.
choose coral, blue or natural shirt. not available on tour. order
tsch...$26.00

brick red over-dyed t-shirt with heron. order tsbr..........$25.00

swamp ophelia album cover t-shirt. natural. order tsso.........$18.00

1200 curfews album cover t-shirt. natural. order ts12...........$20.00

ash grey sweatshirt with blue indigo girls insignia. order
ssig.......$28.00

1200 curfews sweatshirt. dark green, red script. heavy weight, first
quality cotton/poly blend. order ss12.........$35.00

rites of passage tourbook. order tbrp.......$6.00

swamp ophelia songbook. order sosb....$18.50

rites of passage songbook. order rpsb....$18.50

nomads, indians, saints songbook. order nssb.......$17.50

strange fire songbook. order sfsb........$17.50

indigo girls songbook. order igsb.....$17.50

live at uptown lounge video. order lvid....$22.00

swamp ophelia poster. order pso.....$7.50

1200 curfews poster. order p12.........$7.50

swamp ophelia bumper sticker. order bsso....$4.00

black baseball cap w/ blue ig insignia. order bbcb.......$17.00

free with every order of $25.00 or more:
special promotional cd single from swamp ophelia!!!! (while they last)

to order, fill out form, making sure to indicate alternate choices on
limited quantity items.  except where noted, all clothing is available in l
and xl.  make
checks payable to indigo girls fan club.  payment for foreign orders must
be made by cashier's check drawn on a u.s. bank in u.s. dollars only.
prices include shipping in north america by u.p.s.  foreign orders are
shipped by u.s. mail:  add $9.00 for europe and $12.00 or all other
destinations.
mark front of envelope "merchandise order" for faster handling.

*********************************************************************

the form that they include in the newsletter is very simple. i can fax it
to you or here's basically what it looks like:

=======================================================================
item 2nd size & how unit
total
code choice color many price

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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tsch

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tsbr
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tsso
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ts12
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ssig
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bbcb
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tbrp
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sosb
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rpsb
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nssb
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sfsb
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igsb
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lvid
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pso
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p12
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bsso
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ss12
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subtotal
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postage (for foreign orders)
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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total
=======================================================================

          joan-
          i think that you can get it through the fan club.
          towanda

diane, please contact me about the blanks and sase you sent! sorry i lost
your email address!

thanks

kvittek@gladstone.uoregon.edu
***************************************************************
how can you make people feel better about themselves?

"if someone says to me, "i feel that no one likes me," i would say, "well, i
like you and if the people don't like you, they're not the right people for
you. but they people that think you are special are special. because deep
down inside your heart -- *way* inside -- if you really feel deep down,
you'll find that you're special." reem, age 8
"if they don't feel like they're pretty, you could say, "you're a lot
prettier than a person i know who has big bulgy eyes." katelyn, age 9
"everyone should have an alarm clock that says nice things to them in the
morning when they wake up." jacqueline, age 8
"everyone is good at something and they should be complimented every day."
tom, age 8
"they should have a call line to cheer people up." paul, age 8

from "the all better book" by suzy becker and hundreds of kids

>it was indeed our indigo-girls song covered by this band "big
>mountain"!!!! (remember baby i love your way??)
>
> okay, i wouldn't say it's better than ig's version, but it just sounds
>really really really good!!!

agreed that the song sounds good--but let's not forget that "our
indigo-girl's song covered" is a cover itself of the youngblood's "get
together" from the sixties. at least that's the knowledge i have :).

happily clarifying :)

greg

!@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*!*
# greg m. flamer               northwestern university   @
* 1411 w. sherwin ave # 1n     mfm520@lulu.acns.nwu.edu  $
& chicago, il  60626           gflame@nwu.edu            *
^                                                        &
* "you live  you learn                                   @
&  you love  you learn      --alanis morissette          &
#  you cry   you learn"                                  ^
+                                                        +
!@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*%$

heya y'all.. guess what i got in my email box the other day???? the radar
rose travel schedule!!!! dum da da dum!!!!!

check out all of these shows!!!! i'm excited.. they'll be in the atlanta
area, a lot :))

>march 2, the loft, columbus, ga (wendy bucklew opens)
>march 6, full moon, roanoke, va open mic
>the next two are wendy gigs solo:
>march 7, wrov morning show, wendy bucklew (96.3 roanoke)
>march 7, full moon, wendy bucklew appears solo!!!!
>
>march 8, the coffee pot, roanoke
>march 9, confeddy's, roanoke (both these shows wendy opens)
>
>march 13 full moon, roanoke, open mic
>march 15-16 clyde's, columbia, sc
>
>march 20 full moon, roanoke open mic
>march 22 roscoe's, lewisburg, wv
>march 23, the mill, floyd, va (w/ the chicken wire gang)
>march 27 full moon, roanoke
>march 31, empty glass, charleston, wv
>
>april 5 confeddys, roanoke
>april 6 coffee pot
>april 12 roscoe's, lewisburg wv
>april 13, gabby's, bluefield, wv
>
>april 14 (trying to get into dogwood festival, atlanta)
>april 16 rainy day records madness at eddie's attic
>april 17 otey's, birmingham, al
>april 18, red light cafe (tentative, very)
>april 19, squeekie's, augusta, ga (t)
>april 20, the loft, columbus, ga
>april 22, the loft, columbus, ga-the perky awards
>

so, i've been listening to one dozen live roses non stop while sitting at my
computer and dog years while driving around in my car and have been having a
good ol time :))

remember-- you can email them at radarose@aol.com to pick up either of these
acoustic w/a bite pieces of music, or you can order them from perry--
1-800-636-6166

take care and *smile*

brooke :))

"i'm not a follower, i'm a leader.. just insecure about it."
-m. brooke robertshaw

"two or three things i know for sure, and one of them is that change when it
happens cracks everything open."
- dorthy allison

"two or three things i know for sure, and one of them is the way you can
both hate and love something you are not sure you understand."
- dorthy allison

"..every five months or so i look back on my life and have a good laugh.."
-emily saliers

http://www.mindspring.com/~water/

anyone need a good excuse to go out and have a good time tomorrow?  happy
chinese new year!!!  i don't know how many of you that applies to but the
way i see it we can all enjoy the holiday  :)

bandwidth banditing,
noi :)

just got home form the gambling boats (lost $40 :( ) and thought i'd see if
anyone had comments about this song..... well, i'll get the ball rolling.

first time i heard this was at the 1st ig concert i went to, right after nis
was released. the girls were still kind of new to me, so not everything they
played was familiar. for their encore, they started with something upbeat,
and then emily sang this crystaline version of lmfaf. when she sang the
words "and it comes to mind as you blaze on as brilliantly as a star " it was
so quiet you could have heard a pin drop. definetely a "shiver" moment. btw,
i so glad last week someone cleared up theshallot refernce. since i love to
cook, the only thing i could think of was an onion, and somehow i didn't
think that was quite right!

angie in kc

this is my favorite ig song, bar none. i love the lady of shalott
reference, and the image of "to reach below your surface/ just to find an
empty pool...", and the way, as i posted earlier, that emily whispers
that last "swallowed up my heart"...

it occurs to me that this song might be really effective if arranged for
piano--the little interludes are amazing on guitar, but might be even
more so if you could hear every note.

and even though some people find it overly melodramatic, i was blown away
by the frankness of that line, "and i came to you one night, and it made
me feel like hell..." it's not something i expected from emily.

i've always wondered what "i resign myself to science..." means, though,
and what she's referring to in "when it's time for them to die".

an amazingly powerful song. the line "and to suffer all your pride, as i lay
down by your side..." reminds me of a lot of people i know.

chuck stevens
dsteven1@cc.swarthmore.edu
stevens@condor.sccs.swarthmore.edu
610-690-3824

all things turn to weariness,
a man cannot utter it;
the eye is not satisfied with seeing,
nor the ear with hearing.
what has been is what will be,
and what has been done is what will be done,
and there is nothing new under the sun.

(ecclesiastes 1:8-9)

sorry to post this to the list, but i'm stumped; someone named tim toner
sent me a blank and a sase, but didn't include a note telling me what he
wanted on the tape. tim, if you're out there, drop me a line and let me
know what it was you wanted -- because i don't know if i'm supposed to
send back a tape of indigo girls music or tori amos music!

now the igc:

i teach english 101 at the university of georgia, and i was having a writing
conference with one of my students last week. her paper had a lot to say,
but it said it in largely unconnected bursts of ideas -- one sentence about
one topic was followed directly by another sentence about another, only
semi-related topic. i was trying to explain to her what the problem was,
and suddenly inspiration struck:

"are you an indigo girls fan at all?"

"yeah, i love them."

"well, i once heard someone say that the way amy ray wrote songs was to
write down sentences or phrases that she liked, and collect them all in
a shoe box. when it came time to write a song, she would just get out
the shoe box, empty out all the slips of paper with the phrases on them,
and put them in different combinations until she came up with something
she liked. that's kind of what your paper feels like to me -- you have
lots of sentences you like, but they're not really connected."

"oh, i get it -- and you want me to write more like emily saliers?"

"something like that -- more elegant and connected. and hey -- emily
even uses words like 'narcissus'!"

it was a teaching moment -- because i could tell that my student understood
what i meant. it's all made even more deliciously ironic by the fact
that emily used to be an english major, of course, and gave up teaching
for a music career -- but her music got used in a teaching situation
nevertheless.

deanna light
university of georgia department of english
(albeit a lowly ph.d. candidate)

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on sun, 18 feb 1996, chuck stevens wrote:

> i've always wondered what "i resign myself to science..." means, though,
> and what she's referring to in "when it's time for them to die".

it's "silence" chuck, not science.

mat

yesterday was "strange fire" day, shouldn't today be "crazy game" day, rather than
"left me a fool" day? cg's too good of a song to skip over...

joan :)

          sf was the first tape(although since i have moved on to cd)
          of the ig that i bought.  at the time i had this huge crush
          on someone in my classes.  this song is totally what
          happened to me.

          "i resign myself to silence. i will never blow your cover,
          no one ever has to know who the hero took for lover."  this
          is an  unspoken rule between myself and the person in my
          life. how a and e can peg my life i am not really sure.  i
          am just glad they do.

          "..affected conversation, trying to pry inside your mind"
          this line truly reflects my personality.  i love to try and
          put the puzzle of life together...mine or anyone elses.  i
          would love to know what people are thinking and feeling in
          certain situations...especially during intense
          conversations.  one time i talked with a friend of mine
          until 6:30am.  i wish i knew what was never said.

towanda

> hey, this talk about getting the poster from the fan club
> reminds me... i've sent some email to the address printed
> in the 1200 curfews book, for info, but haven't ever
> gotten any response... anyone else ever gotten email from
> there???

i wrote a few e-mails either at the end of december or start
of january & never received a reply.

melissa

lisa (towanda!! i just saw fgt again the other day!!) wrote:
>> this
          is an  unspoken rule between myself and the person in my
          life. how a and e can peg my life i am not really sure.  i
          am just glad they do.<<

so, the first thing i have to do is agree!!! how they always have a song that
fits exactly with any situation you might come up with!!

secondly, i have to say that "left me a fool" was one of the songs that didn't
knock my socks off until i had a personal experience with someone who turned out
to be nothing like i thought he was. i heard lmaf later that day and went-
"hey!!!"
it's a beautiful song.

that's it, no huge insights or anything like that. :)
gotta go watch "jeffrey"- damn those overnight rentals!!

rick
um... 73 more days... (sorry!! i'm excited already!)

~*~*~*~*~*~*~*you have to laugh at yourself because
you'd cry your eyes out if you didn't~*~*~*~*emily
saliers

the next time i fall
  (the next time i fall)
i'm gonna have to recall
   that it isn't love
it's only
  s o m e t h i n g   n e w
{emily saliers}

>date:         sun, 18 feb 1996 20:08:04 est
>reply-to: joan morrison ><103161.3515@compuserve.com>
>from: joan morrison <103161.3515@compuserve.com>
>subject:      what happened to "crazy game" day?
>to: multiple recipients of list indigo-girls
>              <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
>
>yesterday was "strange fire" day, shouldn't today >be "crazy game" day, rather
than
>"left me a fool" day?  cg's too good of a song to >skip over...
>
>joan :)
>
i was wondering the same thing....=)

peace, hugs, and ig,
nicole
here's a new quote to make you all think {thanks to carlisle stockton and the ig list for this one =)}...

"and i will not be complacent. and i will not be a racist. and i will not be a sexist. and i will not be a homophobic asshole. and i will not be sexist. and i will love. and i will love. and i will be happy that i am alive."
--amy ray (ig)

cool frienship quotes (dedicated to all my friends and my bestest bud jaime)

"what is a friend? a single soul dwelling within two bodies"--aristotle

in a message dated 96-02-18 17:45:32 est, you write:
>
>i've always wondered what "i resign myself to science..." means, though,
>and what she's referring to in "when it's time for them to die".
>

hi, chuck!

it's "i resign myself to silence/i will never blow your cover."

as for "when it's time for them to die" -- i think she's referring to the
heroes we set up for ourselves (it fits contextually):
"everybody loves a hero/an image to create/the antithesis of
everything/inside ourselves we hate/but you had better close your eyes when
it's time for them to die/'cause you'd hate to think the life you built upon
them was a lie" (i know that's not the way the lyrics are written in the
album insert, but it's the way she sings 'em, to the best of my memory).
we build up expectations of those we hold as heroes, and their death doesn't
have to be literal -- a heroes die every time they fail to meet the standards
others have set for them (they die in the worshippers' minds, that is).
sound familiar?

(ambrose bierce's definition of a saint was "a dead sinner, revised and
edited.") (_the devil's dictionary_)

waaaal, there's one fan's take on it.

danna

i was in the record store in raleigh, (north carolina) yesterday and i
saw an ig live recording called "blood and fire."  it was, like, thirty
bucks and i am a poor college student so of course i didn't buy it, but i
really wanted too.  i think it said that it was recorded in oregon in 1993.
does anybody have this and is so nice that they would want to dub it for
little old me?  i can trade _some_ stuff.  if anyone is interested... i
would be most appreciative!
-mandy
warra5c0@numen.elon.edu

sorry, i probably missed "crazy game" day, but that song will always have
a significant place in my heart.
my ex jon and i had just broken up, but we were both in pain. i was the
one who made the decision, but soon regretted (now i come to think of it
it is the right thing to do). i said to him if i told you i've made a
mistake would you still wanna be my boyfriend? he cried and nodded.
we went back to his place and i took the prepared "strange fire" out of
my backpack and put "crazy game" on. i sang aloud " and if you're ever
believing   i'm thinking of leaving  just look to the moon   cause it's a
fact   i might be wondering around   but i'll always come shining back
it's true   i'll wait for you..." with emily looking at him. we laughed
and held.

"left me a fool" has always been on my mind when i finally told jon to
get the fuck out of my life. everybody loves him and he's infatuated with
the attention he got. a lot of times when we sat facing each other mind
wandering speechless i tried so hard to "pry inside his mind". he didn't
hold me after sex (it had long ceased to be lovemaking) anymore. i
wondered why the hell i was still "suffering his pride/laying down by his
side".

jon was seen with a new guy (it seemed like he again dumped his
new-found sweetie-pie after me) in a bar. i thought of "how many you've
left behind, how many casualities there are."

sorry!! this is getting depressing...and thanks greg, i thought "get
together" was a song somebody wrote for ig; didn't know it was a cover
itself!

gavin

sorry guys, i don't have this cd and when i looked at the list last night i
thought fool was the 2nd song, not the 3rd. we'll do crazy game tomorrow ok?
but since i've never heard it, someone else will have to start the ball
rolling

angie

i just wanted to let everyone know that there has been a change of plans.  i
have found another hotel that is going to be much cheaper than the hyatt so i
am going to try to work something out with them.  i will post another message
tomorrow night with more exact information.  in the meantime, do not post me
with your credit card numbers.  i am probably going to arrange something with
this hotel where i will be able to reserve a bloc of rooms.  hopefully 50 and
you can call them and reserve a room yourself and give them your credit card
number.  if you are a group of four then just book a room.  if you are a
group of 1,2, or 3 and want to have people added to your rooms, i will try to
help match you up with others, and you can make payment arrangements amongst
yourselves.  again, i will post another general message once i have more
concrete info.  also, if you need a room for additional nights, either before
or after 5/3,4, then i will try to help you anyway that i can.  thanks for
the support, and i will talk to y'all soon.

let it grow

bert

on tue, 13 feb 1996, lorinda wright wrote:

<ramble>
howdy all,

this's been sitting in my mailbox for way too long. :)

> >um, does sydney -> the east coast of the us count? it was *mainly* to
> >see the igs play (4 wondrous, marvellous times), after all... i just
> >*happened* to make a lot of great friends and have a great time along the
> >way. :)
>
> why, it sure do! :) i knew you'd be a hard person to beat, since i knew you'd
> been over here for concerts and such. say, do you have a mileage estimate on
> that there trip of yours? i'd be willing to bet it beets my _round_ trip 2000
> miles. :) :) (somehow, i think australia is a leeeetle bit further away than
> 2000 miles. :)

heck, don't ask me, geography was never my strong point. :) but i think
that from sydney to the us is a long long way. :)

> >going back to drinking my fruitopia thingy now... :)
> ooooh! what flavor? can i have one? i haven't had lunch yet...

well, today's flavour is strawberry / passionfruit, and yes, of course
you can have some. i don't have any of the cookies that i had for lunch
left though. :)
</ramble>

:)
sherlyn
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
piquet the cat - piquet@geko.net.au; aka sherlyn koo - sherlyn@geko.net.au
        "but way back where i come from, we never mean to bother,
         we don't like to make our passions other people's concern,
         and we walk in the world of safe people,
         and at night we walk into our houses and burn..."
                - dar williams, "iowa"

here's another web site (official page)

http://www.nojazzfest.com

melissa

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  um...hey chuck,
                 i believe it's 'resign myself to _silence_'--
                 and 'when it's time for them to die'....imo, it
                 sounds like a warning to look away before your
                 ideals are shattered.

                      "and you'd better close your eyes,
                       when it's time for them to die, cause
                       you'd hate to think the life you built
                      upon them was a lie"

kacy n. belew
towanda (irc)

          i mean fgt in the subject heading....
          rick- isn't fried green tomatoes an attitude adjustment?!
          when ever i know that i have a tough day ahead of me i pop
          in fgt and suddenly i become towanda the avenger ( okay not
          really but i feel like it).

towanda

just wanted everyone to know that i purchased bots from blockbusters for
$9.99 (previously viewed). i prolly was the one who viewed it, cuz i rented
it three times and used a lot of kleenex all three times. :)

also, checked out the valentine love notes magazine section of the washington
post and happened to glance at the message for jj- happy 9 mo. from your
favorite (and most complicated) indigo girl fan.

it was a random happening! jude :)

hi all. i just wanted to let you know that my tape deck went kaput this
weekend, so i am heading out today to president's day sales to get
a new one...to those of you waiting for iwtoc, please be patient, i promise
it is coming!

happy monday

susan
whose waiting to celebrate president's day for the year when we have a woman
president to celebrate!
(oops, sorry, bad english...that's "who's")

smarine@cc.colorado.edu

howdy y'all-
is today crazy game day?? i'm a little confused, but even if it's not
there's a question i've been wanting to ask all the guitar prodigies out
there.  can anyone out there actually play crazy game (on the _guitar_, just
to clarify, yen :)  the way emily plays it, or at least how the songbook
says she plays it? i'm determined to play this song if it kills me, or
leaves my left hand forever stuck in the position of emaj9, whichever
happens first.......anyway, i'd love to hear any stories of how
determination, perserverance, etc helped someone out there tame this beast.
or even stories about how you've been playing since you were 3 and you think
crazy game is one of the easiest songs ever written for guitar....anything
to help me believe this song can be played by someone other than
emily.......thanks y'all, sorry if this isn't crazy game day after all.  but
it is one of my favorite ig songs.  anyone else share this opinion?

peace,
cylinda
ccp5913@acs.tamu.edu                   "...is it wise or lazy, holding tight
                                                to what you've known"
                                                       -cheryl wheeler

what's this all about? did i miss it?

==========================================================================
drew vogel: admissions officer at university of cincinnati undergraduate
admissions (call 800-827-8728), actor, director, ibm fanatic, documentation
author, single guy, & much, much more! apvlbsb. a+e=ig. try my home page at
"http://ucunix.san.uc.edu/~vogelap" "the only way out is through."

i had to laugh at your post. i've been driving myself crazy trying to
learn crazy game. so, i'm not the only one! i'd love to learn it, but it
took me forever to get galileo and ghost down pat - - plus i don't have the
tabliture (sp?) for crazy game, and i have no idea what some of those
chords are.

it's my belief that only emily can play this. : )

i'd buy anybody dinner who qualifies for your statement "you've been
playing since you were 3 and you think crazy game is one of the easiest
songs ever written for guitar." !!! truely i would!

it is one of my fave's also.  i was so proud when my husband was listening
to the song and he asked "is that one guitar or two?"  i was so proud of ig
to say "that's only one of them playing!!"  doing a very poor job of hiding
my proud smile.

anyway, anyone have tabs for this 'beast of a song'??

thx,
- jen hall
-------------
original text
from median cat <ccp5913@acs.tamu.edu>, on 2/19/96 1:22 pm:
to: <indigo-girls@netspace.org>

howdy y'all-
is today crazy game day?? i'm a little confused, but even if it's not
there's a question i've been wanting to ask all the guitar prodigies out
there.  can anyone out there actually play crazy game (on the _guitar_,
just
to clarify, yen :)  the way emily plays it, or at least how the songbook
says she plays it? i'm determined to play this song if it kills me, or
leaves my left hand forever stuck in the position of emaj9, whichever
happens first.......anyway, i'd love to hear any stories of how
determination, perserverance, etc helped someone out there tame this beast.
or even stories about how you've been playing since you were 3 and you
think
crazy game is one of the easiest songs ever written for guitar....anything
to help me believe this song can be played by someone other than
emily.......thanks y'all, sorry if this isn't crazy game day after all.
but
it is one of my favorite ig songs.  anyone else share this opinion?

peace,
cylinda
ccp5913@acs.tamu.edu                   "...is it wise or lazy, holding
tight
                                                to what you've known"
                                                       -cheryl wheeler

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what did amyr say the title '1200 curfews' came from? what is that most of
their concerts last past midnight? or was it that they were on tour longer
then they originally planned?

- jen

here's mho on this one...
ya know how after (or is it before) ctf they say how they've got to get
going - they've got a curfew? well, i think it was on this list that i heard
that they dug through aver 1200 tapes of concerts to find just the right
versions of just the right songs. 1200 concerts...1200 curfews! what'dy'all
think??

avital

avital@lucy.cs.wisc.edu

since someon mentioned this and reminded me.. i got a new copy at
tower recoirds (harvard square for those in boston) on sale for
$14.99. picked it up on sat.

amy p.                          /       who holds your hand
pegasus@crl.com                /        when you're alone
                              /
the original photo monk      /                  --patty larkin

i just finished speaking with a hotel in new orleans and have reserved 50
rooms for 5/3 and 5/4 at $100 per room per night.  unfortunately, they are
giving me a hard time with the credit card issue.  not only will they not
allow people to call up individually with their credit card to reserve space,
but they won't even allow me to send them a list of credit card numbers that
they would then charge a per person amount.  they are only taking credit card
#'s from individual callers at the regular rate which is $150 a night and up.
to get the group rate, i need to make payment in full in cash (money order).
the one concession that the sales manager has made, is that he will hold the
rooms until the end of march without payment, but will release them april 1st
if payment is not received.

thus, i will be working this like i worked the last fan tour. to reserve a
room or a space in a room, you need to send a check or money order for the
full amount, made out to me (bertin lefkovic) by march 15, 1995 covering the
cost of the room or your space in a room. my address is:

bertin lefkovic
13 besler avenue
cranford, nj 07016

the cost breaks down the following ways.  the rooms are $100 per room per
night or $200.  if you are a group of 1-4 people and you want a room to
yourselves, your cost is $200.  if you are a group of 1-3 and you want to
have people added to your your room to make it a foursome, the cost is $25
per person per night or $50 per person.  do not worry about adding sales tax.
that has been included in the cost of the room.  all room will have two
double beds so there will be enough sleeping space for 4 people (as long as
you don't mind sharing a bed).  when you send your money, please include a
note with a return address so i can send you a confirmation.  i will take
checks as long as there is space available.  i will contact you by phone or
e-mail if i get your check and there is no space left.  also include any info
that you might deem necessary in making foursomes.  primarily, gender
preferences of roommates.  i will be forming single-sex rooms unless
otherwise specified.

i understand that you might get concerned about sending money to a complete
stranger, but i hope that this does not keep you from participating.  i
believe that there are still a few people on this list that was part of the
last fan tour and they can vouch for my honesty.  like i mentioned in a
previous letter, i recieved about $10,000 in cash from the people in the last
fan tour and no one was screwed and they were sending me $450 each, some more
because of the exchange rates in their country.  i have set a deadline of
march 15, 1996 (ignore the year mentioned above) because i need a week for
the checks to clear and a week for delivery of the money order to the hotel.

one last thing.  the hotel does not provide transportation to the concert on
5/4, so i will be chartering a bus to take us to and from the show.  the bus
is optional and the cost is $20 per person round trip.  you can include this
amount with your hotel payment.  if you have any questions, you can e-mail me
or call me at (908)418-0721.  i am rarely home, so it might be tough to get a
hold of me by phone.  i look forward to hearing from you and meeting you in
new orleans.  i think this could be a wonderful experience and a lot of fun
for all involved.  talk to y'all soon.

let it grow

bert

ps - i would like to post this at alt.music.indigo-girls, but i have no idea
how. if someone could e-mail me telling me how or just forward this entire
message to the newsgroup for me, i would greatly appreciate it. thanks. :)

got one on sale at blockbusters for $9.95! cool. today i was shopping and i
finally hear an ig song in a store. it was ctf at best buy...bought some s/w
to do my taxes. at least made it less painful :)

jude

when it came out i dragged everyone i knew to see it!! i've been to the town in
georgia (juliette) where it was filmed- rad!!! :)
rick
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*you have to laugh at yourself because
you'd cry your eyes out if you didn't~*~*~*~*emily
saliers

the next time i fall
  (the next time i fall)
i'm gonna have to recall
   that it isn't love
it's only
  s o m e t h i n g   n e w
{emily saliers}

hey, those were some pretty touching stories on lmaf. you're right, gavin,
that was pretty depressing, but mostly because i was really identifying with
what you were saying. thanks for sharing. ok, since there has already been
some confusion on whether it's cg day, or lmaf day, and since the day's coming
to an end anyway, and since several other people have done it too, i'm gonna
make a comment on both songs.

in the tradition of the other personal stories about lmaf, let me just say
that i too was incredibly moved by this song in response to a personal
relationship. in fact, lmaf was one of the first ig songs that really struck
me and made me think, "hey! those girls know _exactly_ what i'm going through!
at the time, the _only_ line that didn't ring exactly true was "and i came to
you one night, and it made me feel like hell." and that's because at that time
that was the only part of the relationship that _didn't_ make me feel like
hell. (pretty bad, huh?) now i look back on it, and even that line seems
totally appropriate.

now on to cg. first of all, no, i _can't_ play it, but i can play those first
two slow chords, and then the first faster part before the next chord change.
(i'm being real specific here, aren't i?) the _problem_ i have with cg isn't
so much that the chords are difficult to play. it's that they're so unusual
that i can't remember them! i have to stop and look at the damn book at every
chord change. i also have a problem with the muted strings thing. i'm really
bad at that still. ok, now for the song itself. does anyone else think of amy
and emily's friendship when they hear the song? it just seems to work so well
as a light-hearted comment on their friendship. come to think of it, it works
marvelously as a light-hearted comment on many of _my_ friendships too. cool.
:)

and now, for a thought-of-the-day from my book of the "637 best things anybody
ever said" :
"i caused my husband's heart attack. in the middle of lovemaking i took the
paper bag off my head. he dropped the polaroid and keeled over and so did the
hooker. it would have taken me half an hour to untie myself and call the
paramedics, but fortunately the great dane could dial." -joan rivers.

hope you're all feeling kinda spunky,
folkisgruven,
l-

    i           will            not        be               complacent
lorinda wright           "learn to pretend there's more than love that
lw01@lehigh.edu           matters. -e.s.
lehigh university         "i want to harbor you from the anger
bethlehem, pa             find a refuge from the wrath. -a.r.
    i           will            not         be              complacent

a co-worker of mine recommends staying in baton rouge. the hotels are
normal rates $35-$55, and it's only about a hours drive to no.

just a suggestion.

- jen h.
-------------
original text
from bertin lefkovic <indigboy@eden.rutgers.edu>, on 2/19/96 5:39 pm:
to: <indigo-girls@netspace.org>

i just finished speaking with a hotel in new orleans and have reserved 50
rooms for 5/3 and 5/4 at $100 per room per night.  unfortunately, they are
giving me a hard time with the credit card issue.  not only will they not
allow people to call up individually with their credit card to reserve
space,
but they won't even allow me to send them a list of credit card numbers
that
they would then charge a per person amount.  they are only taking credit
card
#'s from individual callers at the regular rate which is $150 a night and
up.
to get the group rate, i need to make payment in full in cash (money
order).
the one concession that the sales manager has made, is that he will hold
the
rooms until the end of march without payment, but will release them april
1st
if payment is not received.

thus, i will be working this like i worked the last fan tour. to reserve a
room or a space in a room, you need to send a check or money order for the
full amount, made out to me (bertin lefkovic) by march 15, 1995 covering
the
cost of the room or your space in a room. my address is:

bertin lefkovic
13 besler avenue
cranford, nj 07016

the cost breaks down the following ways.  the rooms are $100 per room per
night or $200.  if you are a group of 1-4 people and you want a room to
yourselves, your cost is $200.  if you are a group of 1-3 and you want to
have people added to your your room to make it a foursome, the cost is $25
per person per night or $50 per person.  do not worry about adding sales
tax.
that has been included in the cost of the room.  all room will have two
double beds so there will be enough sleeping space for 4 people (as long as
you don't mind sharing a bed).  when you send your money, please include a
note with a return address so i can send you a confirmation.  i will take
checks as long as there is space available.  i will contact you by phone or
e-mail if i get your check and there is no space left.  also include any
info
that you might deem necessary in making foursomes.  primarily, gender
preferences of roommates.  i will be forming single-sex rooms unless
otherwise specified.

i understand that you might get concerned about sending money to a complete
stranger, but i hope that this does not keep you from participating.  i
believe that there are still a few people on this list that was part of the
last fan tour and they can vouch for my honesty.  like i mentioned in a
previous letter, i recieved about $10,000 in cash from the people in the
last
fan tour and no one was screwed and they were sending me $450 each, some
more
because of the exchange rates in their country.  i have set a deadline of
march 15, 1996 (ignore the year mentioned above) because i need a week for
the checks to clear and a week for delivery of the money order to the
hotel.

one last thing.  the hotel does not provide transportation to the concert
on
5/4, so i will be chartering a bus to take us to and from the show.  the
bus
is optional and the cost is $20 per person round trip.  you can include
this
amount with your hotel payment.  if you have any questions, you can e-mail
me
or call me at (908)418-0721.  i am rarely home, so it might be tough to get
a
hold of me by phone.  i look forward to hearing from you and meeting you in
new orleans.  i think this could be a wonderful experience and a lot of fun
for all involved.  talk to y'all soon.

let it grow

bert

ps - i would like to post this at alt.music.indigo-girls, but i have no
idea
how. if someone could e-mail me telling me how or just forward this entire
message to the newsgroup for me, i would greatly appreciate it. thanks.
:)

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to unsubscribe, send email to listserv@netspace.org
with the line: signoff indigo-girls

at any rate...i love both of these songs, and (amazingly) have a story that
is relevant to both from my life.  sharing time!  we all sit in a circle
and hold hands...
crazy game is exactly how i would think of love.  as a nutty capricorn, i
like to pretend i am in complete control (i am anal, you can not affect
me!!  ha ha ha!), but then i met this young woman named maggie, and things
just went over the edge.  talk about irrational behavior - geez.  who knew
i could be such a sappy, cheesy dork.  oh well it's fun.  anyway, i guess
the words aren't all that applicable, it's just the idea of love being
crazy that appeals to me.
left me a fool is the story of an ex-friend my group of friends had last
year.  he will remain anonymous, but suffice to say he sucks.  anyway, for
about our whole freshman year at college, he was oh so charming and suave
and friendly and we all thought he was a really great guy and he was really
popular with everybody on campus.  then, at some point, something happened,
i'm not even sure what, and he decided that he no longer wanted to
associate with us.  this sent us into fits of confusion, sadness and anger.
he told a lot of people a lot of lies about us that just aren't true and
to this day keeps charming hapless victims, but we never say anything.  i
don't know why...  he is empty...
oh well, just some thoughts...
january

hey there all

i've been doing some clean-up on my web madness and would like to
get rid of the 1200 curfews picture page i put up back at it's release.
i know some people have a link to this site and all and so i thought i
would see if someone would like to take it away from me and mirror it...
i'll send you the html and the jpg files... anyway...
in the next few days there should be a "stupid ig photo" page
sponsored by one of our own crazy shutterbugs lorinda... if you have a
picture that you've take like of the back of amy's head or just an empty
stage where they played or where you can see only the top of emily's head
or any other silly ig photo send it to me or lorinda for inclusion on the
page... e-mail me for an address... anyway... phil

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
pnorman@eclair.roanoke.edu                   "i'm not a coward,
                                              i'm a proud man of sorts.."
http://www.roanoke.edu/~pnorman                         - big fish ensemble
------------------------------------------------------------------------------

hi folks,

we've just had a system crash so i've lost all of my unread mail from the list.
does anyone have the important messages from friday until today (monday)? if so
could some kind soul forward them to me?

any help would be much appreciated
sharon

i have my tickets for the show.  i even got a room (amazingly enough). i
am working on the travel as we speak.  there's just one question that i
have...where exactly is the lakefront arena????  if anyone has the
address or anything of the sort i would greatly appreciate it.

sing, sing, sing,
lisa

another thing i thought of when i listen to lmaf,
"i resign myself to silence, i will never blow your cover
no one ever has to know, who the hero took for lover"

to me, this sounds like maybe someone who was either gay, or bisexual, but
was trying to hide it from the world, and emily (or whoever she wrote the
song about) was burned very badly.

angie in kc

hi y'all,

i can't resist a guitar challenge, so armed with a cd and a chord chart,
i set out to try to whip up a tab version of crazy game... i can't
remember who posted a couple hours ago saying they had what sounded like
a pretty complete book version--if there is anyone out there, can you
check this over and see what you think? any other reactions/
corrections would also be great, though i'm starting to think that the
only way we'll ever figure out those last eight bars of the chorus
exactly is if someone gets emily to teach it to them. =)

anyway, here goes.

scot

crazy game -- emily saliers
___________________________

a big thanks to adam schneider for posting the chords to this from the
sheetmusic... in this, the tab version, i've got some specific ideas about
the chord voicing, strum patterns, and emily's runs etc., plus i've deviated
slightly from the sheetmusic in a couple places where i hear things a
little differently... if any of this sounds a bit off, check adam's chord
version to see if you can find a voicing of the listed chord that
sounds better. some of this is _real_ hard to hear on the disc...

btw, i think emily's fingers must be a bit double jointed--the logical
way to play that second chord in the intro (b7-9+5 would you believe?)
would be to bar the lowest 3 strings at 7 with your index finger, get the a
string with your ring finger, and bar the top three strings on the 8th
fret with your middle finger. only problem is that genetics doesn't allow
all of us to bend our middle fingers at that angle. =) i still don't know
how _i'm_ gonna play that $#*$# thing!

///=slide, x=muted string (i'm being real anal about some of
these--they're mostly to show strumming patterns, so if they freak you
out, ignore them!!!)

e--0----8---|----x-7-x-7-------7-----|----7-x---x-7-----7/9---|
b--0----8---|----x-7-x-7-------7-----|----7-x---x-7-----7/9---|
g--8----8---|----x-8-x-8-----8-8-----|----7-x---x-7-----7/9---|
d--7----7---|------------------------|----9-x---x-9-----------|
a--9----9---|------------------------|------------------------|
e--7----7---|0-----------0-----------|0-----------------------|
(ribato) ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^

e-------4---2-----2-------|----------0-----0-------|-----------------------|
b-----------2-----2-------|-------(1)--1-----1-----|-----------------------|
g-----------2-----2-------|------2-------2-----2---|----------------9-11---|
d-------------2-----2-----|----2-----------------2-|------------9-11-------|
a-0-----------0-----0-----|------------------------|--------7/11-----------|
e-----------------------0-|1-----------------------|0---7-9----------------|
^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ |^ ^ ^ ^

e-----------5-------4-----|----4-x-x-x-2---2-x-----|----0-0---------8-8----|
b-------6-----------6-----|----2-x-x-x-2---2-x-----|---(0-0)--------8-8----|
g-----------------4-------|----2-x-x-x-2---2-x-----|----8-8-----8---8-8----|
d-----6-----------6-------|----2-x-x-x-2---2-x-----|----7-7-----7---7-7----|
a-4-----------4-----------|----4-x-x-x-4---4-x-----|------9-----9-----9----|
e-----------------------0-|2-----------2-------2////7-----7---7-7-----7---7|
^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ |^ ^ ^ ^

repeat (excluding first two chords at the beginning) for the verse.
at the end of verse two, there is a different ending, which takes us into
the chorus:

e-2---2-2---2-----2-----x-|----4-x---------4-x-----|0---0-x-----0---0-x-----|
b-5---5-5---4-----4-----x-|----2-x---------2-x-----|0---1-x-----0---1-x-----|
g-2---2-2---2-----2-----x-|----2-x---------2-x-----|2---2-x-----2---2-x-----|
d-4---4-4---4-4---4-4---x-|----2-x---------2-x-----|2---2-x-----2---2-x-----|
a-2-----2-----2-----2---x-|0-----x---0-0---------0-|0-----x---0-0-----x-----|
e----------------------(0)|------------------------|------------------------|
^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^

e-4---4-x-----4---4-4-----|4-----x-----------------|------------------------|
b-4---4-x-----4---4-4-----|6-----x-----------------|----2-x---------4-x-----|
g-4---4-x-----4---4-4-----|4-----x-----------------|----2-x---------4-x-----|
d-4---4-x-----4---4-4-----|6-----x-----------------|----2-x---------4-x-----|
a-6-----x-----6---6-6---x-|4-----x-----------------|----4-x---------6-x-----|
e-4-----x---4-4---4-4--(4)|------x-----------4---4-|2---2-x---2-4---4-x---4-|
^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ |^ ^ ^ ^

e-------------7-----7-----|------------------------|------------------0-----|
b-------------7-----7-----|----2-----------2-----2-|----2-------2-----1-----|
g-----6-6-----8-----8-----|----2-----------2-----2-|----2-------2-----2-----|
d-----6-6-----7-----7-----|----2-x---------2-----2-|----2-------2-----2-----|
a-----7-7-----9---9-9---9-|0-----0-----------------|------------x-----x-----|
e-5---5-5---5-7---7-7---7-|------------4-----4-----|3-----3-----2-----1-----|
^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ |^ ^ ^ ^

(these last two bars are nearly impossible to hear, my best guess.)

at which point you loop back to the last four bars of the verse pattern
(starting with the open e and the riff.) the song ends with 242222 to
our friend 797888 to a slow 0x9870.

the 1200 curfews pictures off of my web page ain't there no mo'.

mr. jack mitchell has placed them under his web pages... if you had a
link to them please change it to:

http://www.sv.vt.edu/mitchell/indigo/1200curfews/

take care y'all.... phil

   >....anyway, i'd love to hear any stories of how determination,
   >perserverance, etc helped someone out there tame this beast
oh, hey, not me.  i spend a _lot_ of time looking at the guitar charts
and saying "you want me to do _what_?"  emily's left-hand dexterity must
be a medical miracle.
rustyr

   >isn't fried green tomatoes an attitude adjustment?!
   >when ever i know that i have a tough day ahead of me i pop
   >in fgt and suddenly i become towanda the avenger ( okay not
   >really but i feel like it).
   >towanda

have you read _daisy fay and the miracle man_ by fannie flagg?  i had
_just_ bought, when my mother cruised through, saw it on my desk, and
swiped it.  she was laughing out loud while reading it.  she says i
_might_ get it back when she'd done.  come to think of it, i'd better go
see how many cds in my collection are missing in the aftermath of her
visit.
rustyr

i've read daisy fay....long time ago, though. fannie flagg's books are
hilarious!!! :)
rick
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*you have to laugh at yourself because
you'd cry your eyes out if you didn't~*~*~*~*emily
saliers

the next time i fall
  (the next time i fall)
i'm gonna have to recall
   that it isn't love
it's only
  s o m e t h i n g   n e w
{emily saliers}

jennifer-
so now we're on the indigo girls mailing list.
i'd like to know who wrote the lyrics for the song romeo and juliet.
didn't dire straits sing it first?
does anyone know?
-heather.

jen, we are now on the mailing list:)
i still would like to know who wrote the lyrics for the song
romeo and juliet.
dire straits sang it first, didn't they?
-heather.

hi everyone...sorry to do this, but melanie, can you e-mail me please? you
sent me tapes, but no e-mail address and no note telling me what to tape!
thanks,

jill

jill & duffy
jefrankel@ucdavis.edu
dhjohnson@ucdavis.edu

hello, all!
      okay, so here i am, thinking that there is no way i'm ever going to be
able to get to new orleans, and really just not even considering it.  then i
read the post about how it's going to be the best day of practically all of
your lives, and i think about how many posts there will be that i will be
compelled to read, even though my skin is already turning a pale shade of
chartruce, so, i'm giving in.  if anyone at all is going form atlanta, i'd
really like to drive together, room together, whatever, just so i can go to
these shows.  i've yet to see the girls live, so anyone that wants to go,
please mail soon so we can get tickets and hotels out of the way, and all
that jazz! (no pun intended.)  anyhow, everyone have a good day!  peace,
love, & happiness, sar-i-really-love-the-indigo-girls-ah (thanx, lorindigo.
*grin*)

sorry to post this to the entire list.

the following people wanted a copy of blue food, but i haven't received your
tapes and sase yet:

bregalad
kim grayson
amanda bakken
spectre@silence.net
janinsdale@aol.com
amy staples
danna
rebecca gaukroger
sanawikel@aol.com
miranda detore
sima pandya
teri esguerra
michelle rena weiss
assilem
sugarma538@aol.com
danip@aol.com
mswguy@aol.com

just to let you know: i will be out of town until feb. 29, so if your tapes
come while i'm away, i won't be able to get to them until at least march 1.
if you lost my address or simply forgot the feb. 10 deadline, email me with
"blue food" in the subject line, i'll get to your message immediately upon
my return and we'll work something out. if you've decided that you don't
want the tape, please let me know.

thanks. take care all,
-bon

what exactly do the lyrics from the song "ghost" mean?
what is the song about?

jc
isn't this great? i feel like i'm getting to know amy and emily
personally. the indigo girls are the best!
don't ya think?
h.
(am i into this or what!)

hi folks,

i've seen a few mentions of bots recently so here's my tuppence worth:

i had an hmv voucher burning a hole in my pocket so i went out to buy the
video last week only to find that it hasn't been released in the uk yet :(
so i had to rent it for an evening in order to share the experience with
some friends. great movie! (though fgt is still my fave - hi towanda!)
when bots was released over here they were giving away free tickets to see a
preview show at 11am on a sunday morning on one of the hottest days of the
year. it was really weird coming out of the cinema at 1 o'clock in the
afternoon feeling really emotional, into a sea of tourists, icecream and
temperatures as hot as tuscon. we had to go to the beach for a beer to
comfort ourselves!

the ig moments made me laugh.  like, whoopi playing keyboards on a song that
doesn't have any keyboards in it; like emily singing southland without a
microphone and just for a second as the camera pans round you can see amy
playing sitting down by the side of the stage -why on earth didn't they want
her on the stage with emily?  also, i love the bit at the party where
they're jamming mellow yellow - i wonder if there's a video anywhere with
all the out-takes.  (like i'm sure there must be a video somewhere with the
missing love scene from fgt...  *dream*)

btw, a huge thanks to everyone who responded to my plea for a uk viewable
copy of watershed. big thanks to stok for coming up with the solution! i'm
so happy *bigbigbig-grin* that i can finally get to see it! if anyone else
out their in non-ntsc land needs a pal copy then maybe we could trade...

re: cg day
thanks for the tab scot - i've been sweating over that one for years!

take care y'all,

seffy
***********************************************************
"such a muddly line between the things you want
and the things you have to do"
leaving las vegas, sheryl crow
...hmmm, sounds familiar...
***********************************************************

rustyr- yep. i've read that one. i remember it being quite
funny...it's been so long. enjoy...fanny flag is great.

towanda

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              <jennifer=hall%ts=syscall2%cs=hou@bangate.compaq.com>
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x-to:         amytryon@student.princeton.edu

oh yea, i guess i didn't include that. oops! it's the fan club address
is:

indigo girls fan club
c/o russell carter
315 w. ponce de leon avenue, suite 755
decatur, ga 30030

when you do send in a merchandise order, make sure you write merchandise
order on the front of the envelope.  they do it real quick.  i got my stuff
(great stuff!!) within 11 weeks.  very quick.
  -jen
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thanks for the info jennifer. what address should one send the order
to? is it the same fan club address that's listed in the cd liner
notes?
thanks,
amy

hey, since many of us are going to uno for the concert, besides standing on
our chair and yelling "who's from the mailing list or newsgroup!!", what
can we do to id each other.  obviously, we'll be wearing ig t-shirts, but
how else?  indigo blue arm bands??  i know... stupid idea, but get what i
mean???  i've only been on this list for 2 weeks and have met great folks
and would like to meet some of you - - - but how??  plus the newsgroup
folks.  i've know them for many months.

so, how can we do it.  wait!!!  i know..!!!   we can shave "amy" on one
side of our head...and "emily" on the other...  well..no.  i don't think
compaq management would like that too much..  nevermind.  <sigh>

so, how 'bout some ideas??

- jen hall

ok, just a brief note. i saw ani difranco in concert last night at
univ of ga....and after the show was over....i turned around and
who was sitting right behind me????? noooo...not emily...
it was amy ray....wow..much smaller in close proximity!
gotta get some work done!
sherry

ps. ani was absolutely incredible!!!!!!

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jen hall wrote:
>>so, how can we do it.  wait!!!  i know..!!!   we can shave "amy" on one
side of our head...and "emily" on the other...  well..no.  i don't think
compaq management would like that too much..  nevermind.  <sigh>

so, how 'bout some ideas??<<

well, i kinda like that one.. i mean, i already have "amy" and "emily" shaved on
the sides of my head...

;)
rick
feeling a little...zany.

~*~*~*~*~*~*~*you have to laugh at yourself because
you'd cry your eyes out if you didn't~*~*~*~*emily
saliers

the next time i fall
  (the next time i fall)
i'm gonna have to recall
   that it isn't love
it's only
  s o m e t h i n g   n e w
{emily saliers}

how come all you atlanta people get to see amy ray on a regular basis it
seems???? i go to school in north carolina and am thinking about doing
some touring of atlanta on my own... have any good spots where i could
run into either of the girls? or any good spots to see whatsoever...?
i've been to the underground and coke museum and stuff like that before,
i guess i'm looking for more... music oriented, awesome find places...
many thanks!!!!!!!!!!
-mandy

ok, this time i should be right! i'm going out to buy this cd right now (if
it's in stock), so hopefully i'll be able to comment on the rest of the
songs. anyways, let's hear from those of you who do have the cd!

angie

in response to the query about where the 1200 curfew title came from---

i remember on the list right after the album came out someone said that the
title came from the fact that when the girls started playing they would have to
be off stage by midnight. and after ctf on the album, amy (i think) says
something to the effect of "thanks y'all. we have to go, we've got a curfew" or
something like that.

anyway, who knows if that is the completely true version of the story, but it's
the one that seems to make the most sense to me!

suz

hey alex, in a few weeks it'll be "ghost" day, and all of the people out
there in ig land will have a bunch of info for you.

hi there y'all

i tried to get hold of ig posters yesterday from a poster company,
but they said that they hadn't had any ig posters in for ages, and
weren't likely to get anymore...that's the prob with ig being so
unknown over here.  anyway, it got me really thinking...i tried to
e-mail the fan-club several times a while ago, but without any
response.  so is there anyway of getting posters, pictures and
t-shirts of ig, apart from at concerts.  the only things i have of ig
are there cd's, which are beautiful and worth framing.  but it always
feels like i have to leave my devotion to ig in my room, in my
cd-rack, where noone sees it.  i don't like that...ig deserve better
than that!

*so*...any ideas where i can get some *stuff*...very much appreciated
please!

other than that, just wanted to say hope y'all had a great weekend.
and deb...a package is on its way...leprechaun post!

see you later

love helene

angie in kc wrote...

another thing i thought of when i listen to lmaf,
"i resign myself to silence, i will never blow your cover
no one ever has to know, who the hero took for lover"

to me, this sounds like maybe someone who was either gay, or bisexual, but
was trying to hide it from the world, and emily (or whoever she wrote the
song about) was burned very badly.

angie in kc

i love this song...it always enters me on a deep surge of
sadness...and yet i love it...i guess because it stirs such strong
emotions, it makes me feel alive and real. i've often looked at
those lyrics and wondered who emily was writing about, whether
herself or a friend...must have been a true friend i guess. i think
i'll think more on this one...mmmm...

btw jen hall...where abouts is tf green airport...i think coming
trans-atlantic, we won't get much choice where we fly to...boston or ny
probably!! if me and joanne are going to make a holiday of it, then
i guess boston, would be the place...how far is it to newport from
there?

ok...gotta go home

see y'all later

love helene

yes, i can play crazy game...haven't you people listened to indicated ii?
that's me playing! a real guitar and everything! when indicated ii came
out, someone said they liked my overdubs on crazy game - there were no
overdubs! i am playing that song in one complete take. my version sounds
(to me anyway) identical to emily's.

how did i do it? it's a secret...but, since y'all are so curious, i'll let
you in on some of my tricks.

i play pretty much what's posted on the various guitar sites (olga, adam
schneider, etc.). there are a few errors in what's posted. i picked up a
few chords by watching emily play on the "live at the uptown lounge" video.
i'll have to check at home tonight to see if i still have my notes i made
while figuring out this song. it's been a while since i've played it so give
me a chance to check my notes.

the song is a little tricky because many of the chords are unusual.  these
are chords you don't normally play in rock/pop music so you have to struggle
through that a bit while you get used to playing them.  this is a song that
will take you some time but you can play this thing!  work at it a little
each day and, before you know it, you'll be playing the whole thing!

i'll also check out what scot ninneman posted - he's a great guitarist so
i'd put alot of faith into what he posted.

if you have trouble fingering exactly the chord that is in the song, try a
little simplification. frequently you can get by playing a very similar
chord that is easier on your fingers.

rob sticka

national aeronautics and space administration
goddard space flight center
greenbelt, maryland 20771

hubble space telescope project
flight assurance manager
phone: 301-286-8455
fax: 301-286-1779

okay, does anyone know about this??

      i read an article mentioning that ig did a cover of lou reed's
"walk on the wild side"  in bots.. but it's certainly not in there..
does anyone have the slightest clue what happened to it?   i think
that cover would be really interesting. :)

peace and bless you,
shannon shevock (yamaha)

hey ya'll,

is there any word on earth jam iii?
are they having it? if so, when is it and who's playing?

thanks...

-jan

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  subject: meeting:)

jen hall:

  how about in order to find some of the people you've met, plan
  on meeting at a certain place at a certain time after the concert
  to talk about everything and all.  i just joined the mailing list
  yesterday so i'm extremely new at this.  but i thought i'd give
  you an idea:)

heather.

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valuejet is going to have the cheapest rates to new orleans.  unfortunately,
they only serve about 20+ cities.  call them at (800)825-8538.  they have not
started booking for may yet, but they should be by next week.  i hope this is
helpful.  talk to y'all soon.

let it grow

bert

hi everyone,
as we all got the message, bert is arranging for places to stay onthe 3rd
and 4th for the no festival(which is great). the thing is, i am going to be
there on the 2nd as well, and i was wondering how many people out there need a
place to stay on the 2nd and if there are enough, we might be able to arrange
for some deal at that same hotel for those interested.
please let me know so that i can get a count.
thanks,
yun
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oracle media objects
ylien@us.oracle.com
415.506.2307

hey everybody...
i'm sorry to say this but i have to sign off of this list for now, because my a
ccount is getting so full and i don't have time to read 100 messages every othe
r day.  it's been great being on here though!  i'm still open to keeping in tou
ch with anyone on the list, just e-mail me at c641368@mizzou1.missouri.edu
oh - also, i'm still really interested in expanding my ig boot collection.  if
any of you are willing to copy tapes for me if i send you blank ones and self-a
ddressed stamped return envelopes, i would appreciate it so much!  let me know
what you have, what songs are on it, and how long of a tape it is.  (if there a
re problems with sound quality, let me know that too please!)  if anyone wants
to keep me updated on list happenings, that would be great!  well, for now, i'v
e gotta go.  i'll probably get back on here sometime in the future, and every n
ow and then i'm on irc, so watch for me!  (my nick is ang)

again - if you're willing to copy tapes, i'd really love it!

thanks!

angela :)

"...and the best thing that you've ever done for me is to help me take my life
less seriously, it's only life after all..."

what's the bots video?
ben

i've been looking forward to this day because this song is living
and breathing in my life right now. it is a typical story of girl
meets girl and falls in love. instead of parting with sweet sorrow
at summer's end, the two compile mutual belongs in the back of a
u-haul truck and head for a life together on the other side of the
state. in this story, i was the followed and the entire first verse
is for the woman that left everything behind for me...and blames me
for it sometimes without meaning to (inherent guilt i guess).

when i listen to the song, i think of re-self-identification. the
second verse isn't so much for my partner but for those who i left
behind. our mutual "friends"...quite a back-stabbing, two-faced lot
they were and now my partner and i have planned a trip (a consession
to her) to visit the 'folks back home'. is the dread i am feeling
coming through? i seem to have left a lot of anger there that i
don't want to risk bumping into.

the third verse is again for my lover. she seems to believe that
all these people we left behind were so great and such good friends
of hers. well, i can't think of one who didn't have something bad
to say about her behind her back...not one! the thing is, i never
had the heart to tell her these things were being said about her.
the thing is now, when she'll start putting one of them on a
pedastal, i want to scream out the truth.

when the girls sing this song, they sing with such a power. i
like it and feels real good to sing along and release some
anger. i can't seem to do that when i play the song myself.
somewhere along the expressive creativity in my head, this
song has become a really sad ballad and i always play it
that way in my room alone.

anyone else see the ballad potential in this one?

-jamie

ps i would love to believe it when i sing 'i don't care anymore...'
just can't. tears of anger can flow free at any moment.

check out the univ. of n.o. website at :

http://www.uno.edu/

it has maps and stuff to help us non-n.o. folks out! hopefully, it'll have
a map so we can find a location to meet.

hey all you new orleans folks.  any suggestions on a good place to eat
while hanging out at n.o.?  a great restraunt with a great bar??  maybe we
can meet there.  i know after seeing my idols for the first time, i'll need
a good drink!!  pending i don't faint!!

see ya!
- jen h.

hi there!  i am new to the list, but a ig fan for over six years.  i am
seeing a lot of atlanta people on the list..... does anyone also have an
obsession over kristen hall?
i also just want to respond to the post that was questioning my fave ig
song of all time "ghost."  i think that the song is basically emily
wishing for a love she once had, but was lost due to senseless things that
occur in life.  that song, to me, is just a beautiful art form that
represents pure tragedy.
one other question?  does anyone know if there is a poster of the cover
of nis?  i would love to have one to hang on my wall here in dreary,
snow covered pennsylvania.  it would make the day much sunnier!
. .
o
\_/

karrie

"water retention is not new to me..." - emily saliers

ya know, i was thinking.... (i know can be dangerous). anyways....it
usually takes a long time to become familiar with an individual ig
song...to roll it over in your head and think about what it really
means to you.
while i was sitting here coding some software (yes, i'm at work!),
i was thinking that maybe we should make this thread into the song
per week. i don't check my messages daily...and a lot of the posts
could become very interesting.

just a suggestion.
-sherry

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

        ...it may not be right for you,
                    but it's right for me...
                                sarah mclachlan

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

i've only been on the mailing list for a few days, but my account is
rapidly filling up and i'm afraid my account will close if i remain
on the list. i'm sorry to go, but anyone is free to email me with
interesting new info about the ig. hmcomey@alex.stkate.edu
hopefully i'll be able to sign up again soon.
later-heather.

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kristen hall is the best!

i saw her open for matthew sweet when he opened for ig on the rites of
passage tour.  i thought she was so cool i went out and bought "real life
stuff"  (which is amazing...and has emily singing backup and playing
guitar on two tracks)  i have seen her twice since the rop tour, she
always plays her guitar with no backup band.  (which i think is really
cool) i have met her a couple of times, and she is really really nice.
i hope she puts out a new album soon...

kristen

"real solemn history, i cannot be interested in. the quarrels
of popes and kings, with wars and pestilences in every page;
the men so good for nothing,and hardly any women at all."
-= jane austen =-

hi everybody. i'm so excited about going to no. i can't wait.
looks like this'll be the first time i'll fly. am looking forward to
meeting up with my friend annette and her friends from br.

we should all get together once or twice down there.  i wish this
were happening so much sooner, it's so hard to plan days off so far
in advance.  hard to decide whether to be conservative, or say, what
the hell, take the week off, go home by way of atlanta.  (i wish.)
what kind of silly thing can we all wear or do to know each other?
then again, do we *want* to? <g>  i'm asking b/c i have only *one* ig
t-shirt, and it looks like crap...you know, the "red dye" one?  yuck.

and, i just realized that being a university all all, uno probably
wouldn't have alcohol. : < for me....until i realized that the
athens, oh show (complete w/venerated chickenman soc) was a no-
alcohol venue. i want my bud, damn it. but i'll settle for a coke...
and a smile.

feel free ta write me,

lorie
aka mediamongr@aol.com

sorry for the public post, but i just noticed someone getting this list
in digest format - how do i do that?

-di

jennifer hall wrote:
>hey, since many of us are going to uno for the concert, besides standing on
>our chair and yelling "who's from the mailing list or newsgroup!!", what
>can we do to id each other. obviously, we'll be wearing ig t-shirts, but
>how else? indigo blue arm bands?? i know... stupid idea, but get what i
>mean???

i agree that we should try to do something to id each other......hopefully
most of us _want_ to meet some other listers......as much as i like jen's
direct approach of everyone on the list just yelling out with pride their
status as list member, the several thousand fans who aren't on the list at
the concert might appreciate us more if we restrained our friendly,
bouisterous natures :)

so ideas?? besides the shaved head one, which is really really funny, but
i'm thinking that all these rabid fans with 'amy' and 'emily' shaved in the
sides of their heads might just scare a&e a wee bit.

i know of several lists who have designed and made buttons with some
identifying phrase on them for members to id each other.  we could do the
same, even though i'm not big on buttons.  anyone with any better ideas??
hey!  how 'bout cowbells???  we could just go around saying "moo!" and
clanking away all over new orleans ;)
hopefully someone out there will come up with suggestions more brilliant
than these.  shouldn't be very hard to do :)

peace and cowbells,
cylinda
ccp5913@acs.tamu.edu                "...is it wise or lazy, holding tight
                                             to what you've known"
                                                    -cheryl wheeler

even though it is very very unlikely i will be there, i think maybe
everyone could wear/do something that was very discreet.  this way,
everyone does not look like complete fools.  buttons are a nice idea, but
i think that maybe they make you feel like you're at a luncheon of some
sort.  i was thinking something simple and discreet....like maybe
sticking ig list bumper sticker on our bums...:) *giggle*

my only defense is that i am a human experiment for how long one can stay
up studying past midnite....i have been up for 40 of the last 42.5 hours
or so. let me know what you all think. i, for one, am thinking maybe if
i could quit shaking maybe i could go to sleep. unfortunately, that is
just a dream....

hoping that i don't die before midterms end....

"it's only life afterall"

love
aim

i am going to assume that a lot of us will be staying at the same hotel
(since bert is working so hard to get us the best rates). since we will
have a large core group of people at that hotel i think it would make
sense to have a little "meet everyone from the list" party that could
originate at the hotel and then we could all move from there to a
restaurant or whatever. the party could meet at the hotel friday afternoon
at a specified time, then we could all go out to dinner, then on to the
show. even people not staying at the list hotel would be able to meet us
there.

some people will be driving in friday eve for the show and we need a
place to meet these folks at the actual uno site... i havent checked out
the uno web page yet so i cant offer any suggestions for likely meeting
places at the arena.

how did people handle this last year at newport? i read some archived
digests of the list but stopped before the actual concert date happened...
but "how will we know each other" was a hot topic of conversation back
then so they probably came up with a good solution. :)

kristina

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but i can change the world in me. <u2> http://www.az.com/~andrade

i know what you mean about missing a day for a favorite song, but if we did a
song per week it would take a long time to get to the more recent albums. how
about if saturday and sunday are re cap days, with discussions for the
previous 5 days worth of songs? also, if someone misses a day, just jump
right in, i know i'm always willing to discuss these songs, and i'm sure most
of you out there are too, or else why would you be on this list?

see if this sounds ok:

tuesday: i don't wanna know
wednesday: hey, jesus
thursday: get together
friday: walk away
sat & sun: recap of previous weeks worth of songs, plus we'll do sf, crazy
game, and lmaf since i screwed up the days, and not everyone got to respond.

this way, people with just weekday or just weekend access will be able to get
in on it. what do ya'll think?

angie in kc

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date:         tue, 20 feb 1996 17:24:10 -0500
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              processor" at feb 20, 96 05:03:19 pm

hello all,

i'm a big kristin hall fan too. "following my compass" is my new favorite
song. it's on her latest release and emily does an amazing job on back up,
of course, she always does an amazing job.
just wondering if anyone knew about a march 5th show at eddie's. i missed
the valentine's show, so i would be eternally grateful for any info. thanks.

sharon

ben-
bots is the movie boys on the side.

towanda

hi all.

i have been reading lot's of mail about list folks meeting for the
uno show. what about the thurs. may 2. show at jazz fest??

anyone planning on going to the thurs. may2 show wanna meet up?

i was thinking we could all meet like about 1/2 hour before the
scheduled ig show at a particular location within the fairgrounds. or
if someone wants to make up a flag, we could all congregate under the
flag. i wouldn't mind doing the flag thing, only i have zero artistic
ability (for visual arts).

buttons, pins, arm bands, will be tough to find due to the large
crowds at the fest. unless we agreed to meet some place specific.

any ideas? anyone interested? anyone going?

peace

dan perkins
post episodic clairvoyant
tour guide to the obvious
'
"it's not your job to be as confused as nigel"
                                  -david st. hubins
'
                    "these go  up to eleven"
                                   -nigel tufnel

how about those who are going to new orleans send a gif or a jpeg photo
of themselves to me? then i can put it on my web page and you'll know
what all the other no people look like.

one thing though - at present only new orleans trip people since my web
space is restricted (and gifs and jpegs are *very* space-consuming).

mat

cow bells <laugh>. cute.

ok...how 'bout this. put a piece of masking tape on the back of our shirts
that say either "ig mailing list" or "news:alt.music.indigo-girls".

i didn't think my shaved head idea would fly. oh well. i'd kill for the
opportunity to have my mom see me and just keel over! "oh my gawd, what
has dawda done with hew hai?" (new york translation "oh my god, what has my
daughter done with her hair?")

anyway <achem>, how 'bout that masking tape idea?

- jen (thank 'gawd' i don't tawk like my mudda) hall
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jennifer hall wrote:
>hey, since many of us are going to uno for the concert, besides standing
on
>our chair and yelling "who's from the mailing list or newsgroup!!", what
>can we do to id each other. obviously, we'll be wearing ig t-shirts, but
>how else? indigo blue arm bands?? i know... stupid idea, but get what i
>mean???

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on tue, 20 feb 1996, dan perkins wrote:

> matt,
>
> personally, i would have no idea of how to get a jpeg or gif photo of
> myself.

you need to get an ordinary photo and scan it into a computer, then save
it as a .gif or .jpg file. if you know someone who's in college then
they're bound to have access to one, you might even have a scanner at
work.

mat

i had the same trouble playing crazy game. i put it off for a while playing
every other emily song until one day i vented the courage to try it......i
live to tell...........
i use some alternate fingerings (enharmonics help), but you can't avoid the
emaj9.
i find the b7 (e) the most difficult to play. another way to play emaj9 is
(let me try to explain this one) to place your 1st finger on the 8th fret,
3rd string (from the high e string). finger 2 goes on the 5th string, 9th
fret and finger 3 goes on the 4th string, 9th fret. finally, 4th finger is on
the 2nd string, 9th fret. when you play this chord, don't play strings 1 or 6
(octave e's). these notes are f#, b, d#, g#. this sounds difficult, but it's
a lot easier than the suggested fingering.

never give up! i've been playing 14 years and i still have trouble
playing this song! i think emily dreams about these crazy chords just to
drive us crazy!!! we love her anyway...............

good luck! annie xoxoxoxo

why, you wear your ig-list buttons which proclaim:

"closer to fine by being on-line!"

someone made a bunch of these and distributed them several years ago.
seriously.

--
randy rohrer                       |  "that's a major powell sky!"
the george washington university   |  - gary bolton, rivergod
department of ee&cs                |
rohrer@seas.gwu.edu   http://www.seas.gwu.edu/student/rohrer/

found on the net, a cool interview with julie flanders lyricist/poet
of october project. check it out...

-- chris

> http://www.val.net/villagesounds/muse/currentissue/julie.html

p.s. i really love the music i've found here, op included! thanks =)

i'm not really thomas, but i'm using his computer. my e-mail is
dpajak@emory.edu

name's denise pajak

hey all

....how 'bout a pin of some sort rather than a button......maybe a peace-sign?

:)
eric

hey, folks -- tried to send this to chuck and not clog up the ig box; silly
me. :)

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>----------------------  original message follows  ----------------------in a
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>>i've always wondered what "i resign myself to science..." means, though,
>>and what she's referring to in "when it's time for them to die".
>>
>
>hi, chuck!
>
>it's "i resign myself to silence/i will never blow your cover."
>
>as for "when it's time for them to die" -- i think she's referring to the
>heroes we set up for ourselves (it fits contextually):
>"everybody loves a hero/an image to create/the antithesis of
>everything/inside ourselves we hate/but you had better close your eyes when
>it's time for them to die/'cause you'd hate to think the life you built upon
>them was a lie"  (i know that's not the way the lyrics are written in the
>album insert, but it's the way she sings 'em, to the best of my memory).
>we build up expectations of those we hold as heroes, and their death doesn't
>have to be literal -- a heroes die every time they fail to meet the
standards
>others have set for them (they die in the worshippers' minds, that is).
> sound familiar?
>
>(ambrose bierce's definition of a saint was "a dead sinner, revised and
>edited.") (_the devil's dictionary_)
>
>waaaal, there's one fan's take on it.
>
>                         danna
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>i've always wondered what "i resign myself to science..." means, though,
>and what she's referring to in "when it's time for them to die".
>

hi, chuck!

it's "i resign myself to silence/i will never blow your cover."

(ambrose bierce's definition of a saint was "a dead sinner, revised and
edited.") (_the devil's dictionary_)

waaaal, there's one fan's take on it.

danna

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