lifeblood: listlogs: 1996-02e


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date:         tue, 27 feb 1996 22:48:35 -0600
reply-to:     alycia <anb038@nwu.edu>
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from:         alycia <anb038@nwu.edu>
subject:      1/4 nigc baez in chicago

it was a good day.  i got to see joan baez perform "don't think twice it's alright," but it just was not as good without the ig (and yes, i am biased).

after her brief performance, she autographed her new cd.  when she was signing my cd, i asked, "what was it like to work with the ig?"  she responded, "they're lovely.  we're wonderful friends."

that's it.  boring, but true.

alycia

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we swore to ourselves we'd go to the end of the world
but i got caught up in the whirl and the twirl of it all
a day in the sun dancing alone
baby i'm so sorry
                                               - amy ray

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date:         wed, 28 feb 1996 00:11:41 -0500
reply-to:     nlyng@postoffice.ptd.net
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from:         "(eric l. nerino)" <nlyng@postoffice.ptd.net>
subject:      the indigo girls rock my world.

hey all you flamers.....

the name on the address might say rob taylor, but the person signing the letter
is "a. plambeck"

>from: rob taylor <crms@crms.org>
>a. plambeck

he/she happens to be right though...;)

:)

eric

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date:         tue, 27 feb 1996 21:46:07 -0800
reply-to:     derek keith moulaison <frisco@uclink2.berkeley.edu>
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from:         derek keith moulaison <frisco@uclink2.berkeley.edu>
subject:      re: sigc help on album picks...
x-to:         alex scherer <alscherer@aol.com>
in-reply-to:  <960227094932_432740603@emout07.mail.aol.com>

alex, i would very highly recommend nanci griffith's "flyer". its a great
album, and nanci is a phenomenal song writer. i love it. and also, our
very own listmember julie gold(man) wrote the third song on the album.
(just kiddin' julie). so buy it!! you won't be sorry.

on tue, 27 feb 1996, alex scherer wrote:

> for the life of me i can't remember the conversation.  someone a month or so
> ago wanted opinions concerning two possible albums.  one was joan baez.  what
> ws the other?  the reason i ask is that i'm thinking of buying nancy
> griffith's album, flyer.  it's got the ig's on it as well as rem, counting
> crows, and u2.  i was wondering if anyone had any opinions about the album
> before i shell out the bucks.  of course i know that i can just go to hmv and
> listen to it, but it's much more fun this way, and now (hopefully) i'll get
> tons of personal e-mail so i can think i'm really cool (*wink*)
> thanks for thehelp in advance,
> alex
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date:         wed, 28 feb 1996 00:04:05 -0600
reply-to:     lethargo-man <sms6@cec.wustl.edu>
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from:         lethargo-man <sms6@cec.wustl.edu>
subject:      fare thee well

hi folks.  this is my first post (oooooo, the tension builds), and i have
two questions i would like to ask.  the first has to do with e's "fare
thee well".  i was wondering if there is an official interpretation or
reason that it was written.  when i first got swamp ophelia, i liked ftw
a lot, but i never really gave much thought to the words.  i guess i just
assumed it was about a failed relationship.  then, when my best friend
committed suicide last november, the song really hit me.  there were days
when i would program the cd player, and listen to it for hours--i really
could not find a better interpretation than the complete loss of a loved
one.  the metaphore of a falling star was too perfect.  "it was a brief
brilliant miracle dive.  that which i looked up to and i clung to for
dear life, had to burn itself up just to make itself alive.... your last
dramatic scene against a night sky stage...." on and on, this was the
song that helped me give in to my pain and the song that helped me begin
to heal.  "this strange season of pain will come to pass when the healing
hands of autumn cool me down."  i was just curious if anyone else sees
this song in the same/different light.  please respond personally to
sms6@cec.wustl.edu if you don't want to post to the listserver.

on a happier note, i have been watching the posts for a couple days, and
despite having to wade through 63 messages the last time i logged on,
there are some pretty interesting people out there.  i look forward to
posts about the jazz festival--i might have the chance to go.  is it true
that they only play on thurs?

steve

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date:         wed, 28 feb 1996 00:33:22 +2000
reply-to:     "orca =)" <nande737@macsrv1.uwsp.edu>
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from:         "orca =)" <nande737@macsrv1.uwsp.edu>
subject:      re: fare thee well

i really
>could not find a better interpretation than the complete loss of a loved
>one.  the metaphore of a falling star was too perfect.  "it was a brief
>brilliant miracle dive.  that which i looked up to and i clung to for
>dear life, had to burn itself up just to make itself alive.... your last
>dramatic scene against a night sky stage...." on and on, this was the
>song that helped me give in to my pain and the song that helped me begin
>to heal.  "this strange season of pain will come to pass when the healing
>hands of autumn cool me down."

i hate to break the song of the day theme, but i just had to comment on this
one...steve, i think you hit the nail right on the head.  at least that is how i
interpret the song.  i had a best friend die in a car accident a couple years
back (the friend that actually first introduced me to ig music and all cool
music for that matter) and everytime i hear this song, i think of her.  and like
the song says, time helps heal the pain.  but unfortunately never completely.
and there are still times, when i hear these songs about the death of a loved
one, i cry.  ftw is a wonderful, powerful, and emotional song...and i'm really
glad you brought it up...even though it is out of line from our plans (sorry
angie!!)  i'll save my deeper comments on this song for when it comes up in the
"song of the day" thread...

peace, hugs, and indigo girls,
nicole

here's a new quote to make you all think {thanks to carlisle stockton and the ig list for this one =)}...

"and i will not be complacent.  and i will not be a racist.  and i will not be a sexist.  and i will not be a homophobic asshole.  and i will not be sexist.  and i will love.  and i will love.  and i will be happy that i am alive."
                                                                                                                                                                                                --amy ray (ig)

cool frienship quotes (dedicated to all my friends and my bestest bud jaime)

"what is a friend?  a single soul dwelling within two bodies"--aristotle

"leaving ain't fair, you know, parting ain't just.  people got to move on,
people got to do what they must...and we're back together again.  and i'm never      gonna lose you as a friend..."--emily saliers (ig)

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date:         tue, 27 feb 1996 23:40:42 mst
reply-to:     susan marine <smarine@cc.colorado.edu>
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from:         susan marine <smarine@cc.colorado.edu>
subject:      "amy ray is hot" and other ridiculus stuff

okay, so i misspelled ridiculous. sorry.

i just wanted to voice my agreement with aim and the others who were offended
at this. no aim, you're not a feminist bitch. there's nothing wrong with being
feminist and expressing a feminist opinion on this listserv.

to me, it's not about "high horses" (as someone suggested). it's about respect
for the ig as artists, not as porn stars. as women, not sex objects. of course
i think amy ray is an incredible person and attractive, as is emily, but it
is offensivbe to me as a woman to see them evlauated on that basis alone by
anyone. sorry. my opinion.

i'm sure i'll get flamed. the guy doesn't need to be crucified but if we
have an issue with his statement we are perfectly within our bounds to
express it. or...what's next? talking about the ig's measurements? their
favorite turn-ons? come on, y'all.

a proud feminist ig fan

susan

smarine@cc.colorado.edu

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date:         tue, 27 feb 1996 23:47:48 mst
reply-to:     susan marine <smarine@cc.colorado.edu>
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from:         susan marine <smarine@cc.colorado.edu>
subject:      me again...you left it up to me

hi all. in the absence of immediate flaming which i hope doesn't happen
(about my last message)

:)

you left it up to me is one of top five favorite ig songs. even though i pretty
much choke up every time i hear it...it is just so incredibly poignant. is there anyone in the world who has had to make a difficult, heart breaking decision
and not struggled with it like it sounds like em and amy are in this song?

i'm kinda gettin choked up just thinking about it.

it reminds me most of my ex-boyfriend bobby. we had a very tumultuous four year
relationship when i was in college...we went our seperate ways when i went to
ohio for grad school but i guess i never really felt like it was over. you know
what i mean? he was my first love, and i still ache a little when i think about him. i haven't spoken to him for two years now (his choice) but i found out not
long ago that he is getting married and having a baby with his girlfriend in the next few months. for some reason, that news really shook me even though we
are *long* over. in the song when it says " when it was up to you, you left it
up to me" and "even when you're feeling alone, don't come home" i pretty much
lose it.

yikes! huge slef-disclosure. i'm tempted to delete this but i guess i'll do the
bolder thing and send it to ya'll. there are only a handful of ig songs that
i can say have shaped my life, but this is one for sure.

have a good night, all.

susan
p.s thanks for listening

smarine@cc.colorado.edu

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date:         wed, 28 feb 1996 08:21:41 gmt
reply-to:     h.burningham@ulst.ac.uk
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         helene burningham <h.burningham@ulst.ac.uk>
organization: university of ulster
subject:      re: sigc help on album picks...

on tue, 27 feb 1996, dan perkins wrote:

> this is a pretty good album, i don't own it (yet), but i have heard
> it. the nanci griffith album i love is other voices other rooms. a
> really terrific album. no ig, but lots of great songs by some of
> nanci griffith's favorite songwriters. well worth checking out, imho.

actually, amy and emily are on "other voices other rooms" - they're part
of the group that sings wimowee (or however you spell it). check your
liner notes. :)

best,
kristina

yep...you're right...quite a cool line-up for that song!
love helene

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date:         wed, 28 feb 1996 02:37:44 -0600
reply-to:     und_tlf@hal.lamar.edu
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from:         "tracy l. fears" <und_tlf@hal.lamar.edu>
subject:      chickenman....no igc

i am pleased to report that the chickenman...my chickenman...is okay!
he came into pizza inn last weekend and bummed some stogey's from
quinten...but y'all don't know who quinten is and that doesn't matter
just thought i'd let y'all know! thanks to those who kept him in their
prayers for me.....*hugs y'all*
have a great fnarkin' day!!!!!!
sal-ray :)

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date:         wed, 28 feb 1996 02:44:25 -0600
reply-to:     und_tlf@hal.lamar.edu
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from:         "tracy l. fears" <und_tlf@hal.lamar.edu>
subject:      meeting at no jazz fest

i though maybe we all ought to rent some ballroom at a hotel and
form a b.y.o.b. party for al those interested in meeting...
but there are so few of us that are a part of this list and even
fewer that are going maybe we could just use someone's room...
my next thought was all of us meeting on the 3rd in between the ig
concerts......
what do y'all think?
i'll be wearing the white t-shirt that has sal-ray on the back and
"i will not be complacent" on the front....so flag me down if ya
see me....
and if i have my car by then i'll be driving a black volkswagen
station wagon if i'm not already riding with mooch....
but that's not important....
see y'all there! :)
have a nice day
sal-ray :) a.k.a. tracy a.k.a "tace"

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date:         wed, 28 feb 1996 09:15:04 gmt
reply-to:     h.burningham@ulst.ac.uk
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from:         helene burningham <h.burningham@ulst.ac.uk>
organization: university of ulster
subject:      land of canaan day

hi everyone...how's it going.  thank you to angie in kc for giving a
run down of the weeks songs...this is just such a cool thread.  now i
guess i'd better think of something to say about todays song!  its
been on 3 albums, so it must be pretty popular with a and e.  i don't
really know what the real meaning of the song is...but to me, its
about uncertainty, indecision and confusion...looking for something
that probably isn't there...having priorities and goals in the wrong
order.  i don't know if i'm right, but it comes to me like a conflict
of wanting the best of both worlds, sitting on the fence etc.  i
guess my feelings from the song are fairly vague and confusing, but i
find you have to delve that much deeper into ar songs to truly
understand them.
think i'll have a think about this one during the day and get back to
y'all.
enjoy your day
love helene

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date:         wed, 28 feb 1996 03:26:26 -0600
reply-to:     und_tlf@hal.lamar.edu
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from:         "tracy l. fears" <und_tlf@hal.lamar.edu>
subject:      liutm...response to jessie..and stuff

jessie: ohmigosh you said it like the way i interpreted it!
i came out to my mother..she was totally against...and the closer i tried
to get to her..the harder the insults were for me to take...
oh god, does she get up in my face about stuff! i had a friend
spend the night and we had to leave so that i could walk her home at
2 in the morning because my "mother" thought that she _looked_ gay
*rolls eyes* and she wasn't.....*sighs*
but anyway..that's what the song means to me.....about when i came out
to my mother....
sal-ray

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date:         wed, 28 feb 1996 05:18:26 -0600
reply-to:     the flame <gflame@nwu.edu>
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from:         the flame <gflame@nwu.edu>
subject:      re: the indigo girls rock my world.

>hey all you flamers.....

are you talking to me?  :-)  sorry i've been up all night. really erie
because i have sf on and i swear at midnight the tracks went from yliutm to
loc.  what a coincidence--i think not.  back to my paper now.

greg

btw--i think it's unfair that loc gets to have two days.  imean in a week
it'll be loc day again.  i think world falls day should be an all week
experience imho.  bye

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& chicago, il  60626           gflame@nwu.edu            *
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&           it is yours.  if it doesn't,                 %
%            then it wasn't meant to be"                 &
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date:         wed, 28 feb 1996 03:34:12 -0800
reply-to:     rbsayre@interserv.com
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from:         rick b sayre <rbsayre@interserv.com>
subject:      re: fare thee well
in-reply-to:  <960228.003322.19269@macsrv1.uwsp.edu>

wow, i have to respond to this one too... this song is something that i'll
probably be listening to all week... someone i really care about is leaving town
this week and i just found out yesterday... the thing is that he has no idea how
much i really feel about him & i'm in no position to tell him seeing as how he's
straight & married... it's just the fact that he's had such a major effect on my
life in the last two years... this song is beautiful!!!!!!!!!!!
kind of sad though...
rick
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       ** i know what yer thinkin'. did he fire  **
       ** six shots or only five? frankly in all **
       ** the confusion, i kinda lost track my-  **
       ** self. but you gotta ask yourself one   **
       ** question: do i feel lucky?             **
       **      well do ya punk?                  **
       ********************************************

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date:         wed, 28 feb 1996 03:34:22 -0800
reply-to:     rbsayre@interserv.com
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from:         rick b sayre <rbsayre@interserv.com>
subject:      i'm lonely tonight!!!!!!!!!
in-reply-to:  <199602280429.aa12510@relay.interserv.com>

"land of canaan" day!!!!! it's like christmas!!!!! the first time i heard this
one was on 1200 curfews and i just fell in love with it-
probably one of my all time favorites (gosh, do i say that about all of the
songs??). love it on strange fire, too!!!
plus, it's one song that i can sing along with and sound good *and* i can kind
of identify with it too!!! the perfect song! ;)
rick
(awake too early)
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       ** i know what yer thinkin'. did he fire  **
       ** six shots or only five? frankly in all **
       ** the confusion, i kinda lost track my-  **
       ** self. but you gotta ask yourself one   **
       ** question: do i feel lucky?             **
       **      well do ya punk?                  **
       ********************************************

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date:         wed, 28 feb 1996 05:11:03 -0800
reply-to:     issy@eworld.com
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         larissa brown <issy@eworld.com>
subject:      re: is it hot in here?
x-to:         rbsayre@interserv.com

this note from rick really gets at the essence of what i meant by my
post...and i can see how maybe i should give newbies more space...but i
really do think that to just say someone is "hot" in this context with no
refrence to the rest of the qualities which make the rest of us think of amy
ray as one of the most amazing people in existence (talent, energy, etc) is
just kinda offensive. i was really tired last night and so my note was quite
brusque, so i apologize for that.
-larissa

>what i mean to say is that when *i* read the letter it seemed
>to me that "hot" was all that this person felt amy is and that *i* like >to
think
>that she's much more than that.
>:)
>rick

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date:         wed, 28 feb 1996 05:29:07 -0800
reply-to:     issy@eworld.com
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from:         larissa brown <issy@eworld.com>
subject:      you left it up to meeeeeeeee

re: you left it up to me

hey jessie and all,

i think this song could be about coming out, as you suggested, jesse, or
about other relationships...it really speaks to some aspects of my
relationship with my mom, and also to some aspects of my relationship with my
girlfriend, so i guess i think its just another time when the lyrics apply so
many ways....(i just realized i think this was yesterdays song....oh dear,
please tolerate me, yall)
but i *love* this song. one of my 2 faves on strange fire. and i'm learning
to play it! woo woo!
love
larissa

p.s.
since its really land of canaan day...i'll tell more about my feelings about
that song later...oh the suspense...just kidding! hee! (oh dear i need
coffee)

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date:         wed, 28 feb 1996 09:12:58 -0500
reply-to:     "deanna k. newcomb" <deanna@dcez.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "deanna k. newcomb" <deanna@dcez.com>
subject:      re: what do you guys think?

for anyone interested, here's the disappear fear schedule for march. if you
haven't had the chance, i definitely recommend you check them out!

deanna

03/08/96  lewisburg             pa      bucknell university
03/09/96  ithaca                ny      haunt
03/10/96  portland              me      raoul's
03/12/96  alexandria            va      birchmere
03/14/96  johnsoncity           tn      down home
03/15/96  carrboro              nc      cat's cradle
03/18/96  columbia              sc      rockafella's
03/19/96  athens                ga      40 watt club
03/20/96  charleston            sc      to be announced
03/21/96  charlotte             nc      amos' bar & bistro
03/25/96  burlington            vt      club toast
03/26/96  danbury               ct      to be announced
03/27/96  longbranch            nj      metro lounge
03/28/96  northampton           ma      iron horse music hall
03/29/96  newlondon             ct      el-n-gee club
03/31/96  philadelphia          pa      whyy forum theatre

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date:         wed, 28 feb 1996 09:51:29 cst
reply-to:     stacie j kagan <skagan@iastate.edu>
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from:         stacie j kagan <skagan@iastate.edu>
subject:      nigc - research question

hi there!  i haven't been conversing with you all due to some time
constraints, but i was wondering if those of you who fall into the
category would be willing to respond to a brief question i have.

    my question deals with the needs of gay/lesbian/bisexual youth:  i was
wondering if some of you would let me know what your needs are or were in
terms of having a decent relationship/rapport with your parent(s)?
   and/or what you felt were/are your biggest concerns as a gay/lesbian/
bisexual teenager in the society you grew up in?
   the answers to these questions are merely to facilitate a presentation
i am to give in a parent education class on the topic of parenting and
homosexual youth.  i already have research based answers, but would like
some additional information to share with a class of potential educators.
    your answers, name, e-mail address, will all remain confidential !!!!!
thank you for your time, effort and honesty

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subject:      land of canaan day

this song is one of my favorite late-night driving country road songs.
actually most ig songs are. loc reminds me of a friend of mine. she really
wants me to love her as much as she loves me. i can only give her myself,
however. she thinks that i am like perfect and her life would just be
wonderful if i would be with her. i can't seem to prove to her that i am just
normal with plenty of faults and i am definitely not able to solve her
problems. anyway, i always think of this song as meaning someone who can only
give so much. you can either take it for what it is, or make your life hell by
demanding something the other person can't give. also, i can't believe forbes
in arizona. my political science teacher said he was pro-choice and pro-gay
before he figured out the republican party wouldn't go for that. interesting.
i guess he has enough money not to think it matters how other people live
their lives. thanks for listening, jen

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subject:      jazz fest car advice sought

hi folks,

i'm trying to figure out whether i should rent a car for the week end
during our jazz fest trip or whether it's going to be too much trouble, not
to mention astronomically expensive to park it.
i'd rather do the car thing so that i can get into no early on saturday and
sunday to check out the city and my plan would be to park the car right
outside of the french quarter and walk in.
can someone who lives around new orleans let me know whether i'm
daydreaming about finding parking space during the jazz fest or if it's a
sound plan? :)
also, does anyone know how far the airport is from the french quarter?

btw, if anyone is thinking about going, you might want to consider bert's
group hotel thing. i've done a lot of research on the phone a couple of
week-ends ago, and it's impossible to find a hotel room for less near the
french quarter unless you stay for at least 4 or 5 nights.

see y'all in no,

monique

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subject:      i was born late :-)

ok, so i'm a day late.... i had hell day yesterday and didn't get to post
about my second fave ig song.
here is my take on "you left it up to me".  i think this song is part of
the soundtrack of my life...  i was involved with a guy for five years,
and basically had fallen out of love with him and deeply in love with
a beautiful, artistic atlanta boy.  and the atlanta boy, i think loved me
back, but couldn't for his own reasons.  so i went back to the stable
boyfriend, who i really didn't love, and the atlanta boy just didn't
understand, and continually asked me why?  this situation is all i can
think of when amy sings "i finally found someone i can hold... you ask me
to defend myself...as if i shouldn't be so bold... so get that look off of
your face... i don't have the time... you don't have the place.."  the
sweet atlanta boy and i finally had words over this in our usual "waffle
house" replacement diner (we don't have real wafflehouses in the north :{  )
abd i told him he had no place in this situation at all if he didn't want
to make it work.... so he went back to atlanta, to make a very long,gloomy
story short.....
this song represents so much for me in that year of my life.... i remember
playing it over and over again.  i think amy wrote it because of the same
kind of "wanting to love someone and loving someone who is incapable of
loving you back" thing that happened in her life.  the lyrics in this song
are probably the most heartwrenching ones i think she has ever written,
(after keeper of my heart) but that is a different day :-)
thanks for listening to my life....
thanks to amy for beautiful music, and emily for the angelic vocals as well..

karrie

ps.  there is a pseudo happy ending.... atlanta boy and i still talk... he
     delivers for gumby's pizza and is in a band now....and he loves his
     town more than pennsylvania....(understandable) :-)
     it warm there...:->

                    "we used to walk in each other's arms"
                            -amy ray

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subject:      re: land of canaan day

if anyone plays this song,  i'd like to know the rythum patterns you use.
it seems really easy when you hear it, and indeed the chord changes are
strait farword,  but the rythum for some reason is really hard for me.
i've been playing for about a year and a half.

trant

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subject:      mute by the virtue of no music...

>i'm reading each new passing post on the topic of loc with increasing
>envy and frustration... i can relate to what you all are saying... been there,
>felt that ( yikes )... but i don't know the song yet... i only discovered
the >girls a while back and am trying to collect their stuff... ah well... i
'll get >there. meanwhile, just have to say - i love the intelligence i am
being made
>witness to. these kinds of discussions are the reason i joined this list.
>i'm getting choked up here...continue... converse amongst yourself...
>(smiling - me )
kim fischer rcn@coc.powell-river.bc.ca
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"i'm running with scisorrs... i'm running
with scissors!!!"
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subject:      nigc - joan osborne cd

hi folks,

well, i went out and bought the joan osborne cd yesterday on the strength of
seeing one video on mtv, and the fact that she is playing the no gig with
joan baez and ig, therefore must be pretty cool.  wasn't sure at all on
first play, but now it's really growing on me - she's a bit like tori amos
meets alanis morisette... neat arrangments and a nice line in lyrics. worth
checking out imho.

bfn
*************
seffy
    cod==#
*************

"what if god was one of us
just a slob like one of
just a stranger on a bus
trying to make his way home
trying to make his way home
back up to heaven all alone
nobody calling on the phone
except for the pope maybe in rome"
                      one of us - joan osborne

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subject:      re: fair thee well

hi everyone!
   not to wander too far from the song a day thing...but i
wanted to post what i knew regarding ftw.  the first time i ever
heard this song was on the much mentioned austin city limits
songwriter special show which featured ig, nanci griffith, mcc,
and julie gold.  at that time i had read somewhere that friends
of a & e  had died,  i think in a car crash....if i remember correctly
a & e said that there were a lot of references in nomads to events..
["twisted guard rails on the highway, broken glass on the cement" from
watershed] relating to the death of friends, and that writing ftw was
another song written for or about a friend who had died.
   i have often wondered about the picture in the inside cover of the strange
fire
cd jacket ...you know the one where friends and family of a & e are sitting
in
a pub, posing as an audience for a show...  look way over to the left had
side of
the picture where friends have set up pictures of people on the tables facing
the camera/stage.  i can't help but think those may be the friends that
a & e were writing about who are no longer with us.  i totally don't know
though......
     that's all for me right now....bye,  dana

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subject:      land of canaan- a dissertation :>)

hi all!
   i have wanted to post on songs of the day, but never had the chance
to.....so today i thought i would take a stab at it.
   trying to make sense of what is happening in this song is hard....
does anyone know whether or not amy studied abroad while she
was in college?  that is the spin i get from this song when i listen
to it.  (london skyline....time is not on my side) anyway....
      without typing out all the lyrics to the song, basically what i
think this song is about is being in a relationship where each person
relies too much on the other for their identity or comfort...whatever, and
the struggle that takes place between being independent and being
dependent on another person.
    take the 1st verse..."you say we're under the same sky, don't you
realize it's not that clear.  i'm not your land of canaan"  a. basically
saying
"yeah we're the same or we're together...but don't you get it?  we aren't
the same person.  but then the chorus comes in saying just the opposite....
"i'm lonely, i'm missing you, i want your love..."proclaiming the need of
feeling
needed and  wanted.....being looked up to.   the 3rd verse "everytime you
find yourself
you loose a litttle of me from within" again pointing out the dichotomy
between being dependent and being autonomous.
   plus the kicker when a writes "it's just a raging cycle, i'd like to
bring it to the end of the line."  i think that could summarize the point of
the lyrics.  in a relationship..you want to be close to another person
without
feeling suffocated and still maintaining your own identity, and i think maybe

what a. was writing about was not feeling in balance with another person with
whom
she was in a relationship.
    i still can't help but think the relationship taking place in the song
was one where
one person was older - kind of like a big sister/brother kind of thing where
the younger person is always turning to the older for how to act or think,
etc....and this song being
the reaction of the older person to the dynamics of the relationship.
  ok...that's enough analyzing for today............
  although,  i love that the song itself is so upbeat and kind of simple ....
in that it's 3 chords and no bridge just verses and a chorus, etc., ...yet
when you sit and read the words and think about it, it means so much
more than the typical 3 chord kind of song.  that's what makes a so great
in my opinion, the way she can take simple things and make them so full
of emotion and so not simple.  what does everyone think?
    thanks for reading if you made it this far!  bye, dana

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subject:      land of canaan
in-reply-to:  <199602281331.iaa24982@netspace.org>

well, i've been lurking here a while now, but i just had to put my 2
cents in on loc.

this is one of my favorite (it's so hard to pick just one! :) and most
meaningful ig tunes.  it just begs to be screamed out at the top of your
lungs.

personally, i relate strongly to the chorus and i think of those who have
told me, "oh no, i'm really not interested in pursuing a relationship
right now... it's too soon... [or i'm too busy... etc.]" and then turn
around and are in a new relationship in under a month.  ah well... their
loss -- i'm very happy with the person i'm with now and i introduced her
to the ig last year at newport (in that pouring rainstorm!) and had a
wonderful, if rather "damp" time! :)

i really really really wanted to see this song performed live and was
bummed last summer when i found out they had played it the night before
the performance i went to and didn't play it at mine [and i had been
considering trying to go to both performances].  finally, my patience was
rewarded, and at my 6th ig concert, amy started into it at the palace in
new haven and i just jumped out of my chair, ecstatic!

so, sorry for my rambling, but just a few of my impressions and reactions
to land of canaan.  (great idea, whoever started this thread!)

chris imershein
imer5924@hgc.edu
"where i come from is a far more interesting place..." (marcus, babylon 5)

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subject:      re: the indigo girls rock my world.
x-to:         cardigan <benorea@river.it.gvsu.edu>
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i am in agreement with aim and whomever else objected to referiing to a
as "hot"...this is just not the right forum for that kind of expression.
although i wouldn't deny whomever said it the right to his/her feelings,
let's keep it off the list if we can.

--mike

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subject:      land of canaan

this is absolutely my favorite ig song (although joking comes in a
close second.) last spring i went on a road trip to massachusetts
with my mom.  we stayed in a bed-and-breakfast in a small town out in
the middle of nowhere, which turned out to be owned by two lesbians
who had wanted to escape from the city. my mom and i were the only
guests at the time, and we ate our waffles and chatted with the
women the next morning.  theirs seemed like such a comfortable
lifestyle, it made me so happy to see them and the old house they had
transformed into their own.
but anyway, i had just recently gotten my mom into ig, and that's all
we listened to during the 8 hour drive. i especially remember amy's
voice singing "i'm wanting your love and you're giving it out" as we
swept down the highway with the windows open,  watching the pine
trees fade off into the new england distance. so now every time i hear
the song (well, almost) i think of the two women and how peaceful
they seemed.
okay, end of story......
amy

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wow...i gotta tell everyone this for the record.  every time i hear ig,
i'm absolutely floored that they can write so well and make such great
songs from what they write.  i envy both of them tremendously for their
ability, and i haven't ever though about what i would sell to have the
same kind of writing talent (little short of my soul, i think).  my own
tunes (yes, i turn them out when i can) seem so childish next to anything
that amy or emily write...they truly have a gift and it makes me wonder
if i took up the wrong type of writing sometimes.

anyway, enough bloodletting here...
mike

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subject:      land of canaan

i have always loved this song, but don't understand the "i'm not the land
of canaan sweetheart" part.  i guess we're to assume canaan is a utopia of
sorts.  is that what everybody else is getting?

because this song is on so many of their albums, i'm really tired of it.
but i love emily's solo.  i listen to the song just for the solo now.  it's
great!  "crazy game" is hard, but who here can do emily's solo??

- jen

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subject:      re: land of canaan

since this is the day for land of canaan discussions would anyone
be able to explain just what the title means? sorry to reveal my
pagan ignorance, but i don't have a clue and it is referencing a
specific place isn't it?

deb

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subject:      snail mail and fan club

i just want to take a second to say thank you to whoever put the fan
club info on the list.  the merchandise form reminded me that i was a
part of the fan club (i'm a little out of it with school and all) and
i ordered two posters.  snail mail has impressed me and the posters
have arrived in less than two weeks!  now i can stare at the girls
and listen to their music.  maybe if i think hard enough it will be
like my own little concert.  ouch that hurt my brain.  well, thanks
again.

jj in chicago
"i wish i were a trinity so that if i lost a part of me, i'd still
have two of the same to live"

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subject:      meeting in no

okay...i've heard one idea for meeting in the cafe dumond
(courtesy of dan-o)
i'm for that....
anybody else game for this idea?
*yawn* i am sooooo tired....almost got hit by two cars walking over
here.....doesn't pay when you get three hours sleep
*bigbigyawn*
y'all have a good day...
cross your fingers and pray that i don't get hit by the produce truck
last thing we need for the salad bar at work is cucumbers a la sal
*sleepy laugh*
sal-ray:)

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28/02/96

is this the right address for the indigo girls mailing list ? i would
like to be put on it if it is. any info appreciated.

colin

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hello all,

i've always loved loc, though i've interpreted it to be a story of
someone who's running around with the idea that "finding themselves"
means taking a little of everything they can get, meanwhile thinking that
amy's gonna be sitting there waiting for them whenever they decide
they're going to stop running around.  as if she's the promised land
"waiting for you under the sun."  so amy's lonely and missing them,
wanting their love, and they're "giving it out..."  yeah, but "everytime
you find yourself, you lose a little of me" she warns.  she's getting
sick of it and isn't just gonna sit there and wait like this person is
assuming she will.  torn between wanting them back and hating the way
they're taking her for granted, she issues a warning...

that said, i got this tab from... olga, i think... someone sent it to
adam schneider, who posted it, it's pretty darn accurate, and not half as
hard as it sounds, so enjoy!

scot, who can never resist posting tab to anything

------


land of canaan (amy ray)
------------------------
[amy uses 320003 and x32010 for g and c; emily plays 320033 and 332010.
amy also plays a very brief d chord sometimes between g and c (but not
between c and g); i can't even hear it in the recording, but i saw her
do it in concert.]


tab:
====

lead guitar solo:

i can take no credit for figuring this out; someone mailed it to me in
standard tablature form, and i just typed it up into e-mailable text.
so any mistakes are not my fault (although if you spot any, let me know,
and i'll fix them).  sorry about the t,e,w thing; if you can find a
better way to do it (while preserving the timing), let me know!

symbols:
   =    hammer-on or pull-off
   /    slide up
   \    slide down
t,e,w  (t)enth, (e)leventh, t(w)elfth fret; i did this so that i could
             notate the high frets with single characters.
  ^ .   these are timing markers; each ^ is a quarter note.

         (g)                              (c)
e ------|--------------------------t---t-|t-t-t-t---8---8-7=8-7=t---t=8=7-|
b ------|--------------------7-8---------|----------------0---0-----0-----|
g ------|------------7---9---------------|--------------------------------|
d ------|----5--/9-----------------------|--------------------------------|
a 5-5-5-|5=7-----------------------------|--------------------------------|
e ------|--------------------------------|--------------------------------|
  . ^ .  ^   .   ^   .   ^   .   ^   .    ^   .   ^   .   ^   .   ^   .

  (g)                              (c)
e 0---0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0---0---0-0-0-|0-0---0---0---0-0-----0-0-0-0-0-|
b 8---8-8-8/t-t-t-t/w---w---w-w-w-|w-w\t-t\8-8---8-8\7---7-7-8-8-8-|
g --------------------------------|--------------------------------|
d --------------------------------|--------------------------------|
a --------------------------------|--------------------------------|
e --------------------------------|--------------------------------|
  ^   .   ^   .   ^   .   ^   .    ^   .   ^   .   ^   .   ^   .

  (g)                              (c)
e --------------------------------|--------------------------t---t-|
b --------------------------------|--------------------7-8---------|
g --------------------------------|------------7---9---------------|
d ----5-------5-------5-------5---|----5--/9-----------------------|
a 5=7-----5=7-----5=7-----5=7-----|5=7-----------------------------|
e --------------------------------|--------------------------------|
  ^   .   ^   .   ^   .   ^   .    ^   .   ^   .   ^   .   ^   .

  (g)                              (c)
e t-t-t-t---8---8-7=8-7=t---t=8=7-|0---0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0---0---0-0---|
b ----------------0---0-----0-----|8---8-8-8/t-t-t-t/w---t---8-8---|
g --------------------------------|--------------------------------|
d --------------------------------|--------------------------------|
a --------------------------------|--------------------------------|
e --------------------------------|--------------------------------|
  ^   .   ^   .   ^   .   ^   .    ^   .   ^   .   ^   .   ^   .

  (d)                              (d)
e 2-------------------------------|--------------------------------|
b 3---3-3-----3-3-----3-3-----3-3-|----3-----5-----7-----8-----t---|
g 2-------------------------------|2/4---4/5---5/7---7/9---9/e-----|
d 0-------0=2-----2=4-----2=4-----|--------------------------------|
a --------------------------------|-(slide middle finger up g------|
e --------------------------------|--string the whole time)--------|
  ^   .   ^   .   ^   .   ^   .    ^   .   ^   .   ^   .   ^   .

  (d)                              (d)
e 2-------------------------------|--------------------------------|
b 3---3-3-----3-3-----3-3-----3-3-|----3-----5-----7-----8-----t---|
g 2-------------------------------|2/4---4/5---5/7---7/9---9/e-----|
d 0-------0=2-----2=4-----2=4-----|--------------------------------|
a --------------------------------|-(slide middle finger up g------|
e --------------------------------|--string the whole time)--------|
  ^   .   ^   .   ^   .   ^   .    ^   .   ^   .   ^   .   ^   .

  (g)                              (c)
e ----------------------------t-t-|t-t-t-t---7---t-t-t-t-t---t-t-t-|
b ------------------------7=8-----|8-8-8-8-------8-8-8-8-8---8-8-8-|
g ----------------7---9-----------|--------------------------------|
d --------5--/9-------------------|--------------------------------|
a ----5=7-------------------------|--------------------------------|
e --------------------------------|--------------------------------|
  ^   .   ^   .   ^   .   ^   .    ^   .   ^   .   ^   .   ^   .

  (g)                              (c)
e ----t-----t-----t-----t-----t-t-|----t-----t-----t-----t---------|
b 7=8---7=8---7=8---7=8---7=8-----|7=8---7=8---7=8---7=8---7=8\\\\\|
g --------------------------------|7=9---7=9---7=9---7=9---7=9\\\\\|
d --------------------------------|--------------------------------|
a --------------------------------|--------------------------------|
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  ^   .   ^   .   ^   .   ^   .    ^   .   ^   .   ^   .   ^   .

- adam schneider, schn0170@maroon.tc.umn.edu

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subject:      land of canaan day

all i can muster up is images of waking up at jenna's and listening to
this song to get me pumped for work
i have a happy songs tape...full of peppy songs...
make it easier is the first..loc is the second....
i'd make a list of which songs....but i've been listening to 1200 so
much i've forgotten the order...
this song reminds me of relationships were one person expected the
other to wait but the person was just too impatient to
wait....but i can't think too deeply on the subject on three hours
sleep....geez, have i reiterated that fact one too many times?
*yawn* have a nice day y'all
sal-ray

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on wed, 28 feb 1996, deborah luci wrote:

> since this is the day for land of canaan discussions would anyone
> be able to explain just what the title means? sorry to reveal my
> pagan ignorance, but i don't have a clue and it is referencing a
> specific place isn't it?
>
> deb

being one on this list compulsively unable to leave religious topics
untouched, i'm biting.  the simplest explanation of the land of canaan is
that it is the piece of geography promised to the children of abraham,
loosely today's jewish population, in ancient biblical times.  "and
abra[ha]m took sarai his wife, and lot his brother's son, and all their
substance that they had gathered, ... and they went forth to go into the
land of canaan; and into the land of canaan they came.
...
and the lord appeared unto abram, and said, unto t hy seed will i give
this land: and there builded he an altar unto the lord who appeared unto
him."--genesis 12:5 & 7, kjv.

anyway, at some point the descendents of abraham were captured and
enslaved by the babylonians.  moses spent 40 years wandering in the
wilderness leading the newly freed children of israel back to the
promised land.

"i'm a pillar of salt" refers to the story of lot's wife.  apparently the
people of sodom and gomorrah (sp) were having gay sex (ohmigod!) among
other "abominations" (as most conservative theologians interpret the
passage), so lot and his wife, apparently the only holy people left, were
instructed to leave the land of canaan, without looking back, so that god
could feel justified in destroying the twin sin cities.  but as lot's
wife discovered, the penalty for looking back was being turned into a
pillar of salt.

i know this all sounds strange, but having spent four months of my life
in the land of canaan, there is a powerful sense of presence and
specialness about the place.  it is the most beautiful and peaceful place
i have ever been, even amid the contemporary palastinian/jewish
conflict.  (i am not, by the way, pro-zion.)  also, in the south of
contemporary israel is the dead sea, a large mineral lake with a salt
content of about 30%.  a pillar of salt is not an odd thing to find.

good god, have i rambled on about that!  the funny thing is, though, even
having been to the land of canaan it's still one of my least favorite ig
songs.  sorry, folks, but i just find it annoying as hell!  for no
explainable reason whatsoever.  anyone else out there?

yours,
chris ii

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subject:      re: land of canaan (sort of)

on 28 feb 96 at 12:11, michael messner wrote:

> wow...i gotta tell everyone this for the record.  every time i hear ig,
> i'm absolutely floored that they can write so well and make such great
> songs from what they write.  i envy both of them tremendously for their
> ability, and i haven't ever though about what i would sell to have the
> same kind of writing talent (little short of my soul, i think).  my own
> tunes (yes, i turn them out when i can) seem so childish next to anything
> that amy or emily write...they truly have a gift and it makes me wonder
> if i took up the wrong type of writing sometimes.
>
> anyway, enough bloodletting here...
> mike


mike,

i gotta agree with you. i also am a songwriter. i vacilate between
being inspired by a & e and being daunted by their beatifully written
music.

i have written some fairly decent songs. or at least i think so until
i listen to a song like loc or ctf or (insert any ig song here).
however, i try to comfort myself by believing that i write better
songs than a majority of the population of this planet (of course
when i tell myself this i don't mention that most people don't write
songs...sshhh.. a little self deception sometimes goes a long way).

anyhow, i don't really have anything to add about loc, i haven't
listened to it in the last week or so. i do love the version on
1200c. great energy.

peace

dan perkins
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subject:      re: land of canaan comments and solo tab

>i've always loved loc, though i've interpreted it to be a story of
>someone who's running around with the idea that "finding themselves"
>amy's gonna be sitting there waiting for them whenever they decide
>they're going to stop running around.  as if she's the promised land
>"waiting for you under the sun."  so amy's lonely and missing them,
>wanting their love, and they're "giving it out..."  yeah, but "everytime
>they're taking her for granted, she issues a warning...

well, i've been reading this thread, and waiting for someone to hit the
interpretation on the nose (imho), and so far, this one has come the closest
to my own interp. i'm _really_ surprised that no one else sees the song the
way i do, because it's always been so clear to me.  here is my humble,
ever so humble interp. of loc:
it's about a love triangle. it seems so obvious to me!!!
it's about being involved with someone who is either cheating on the speaker,
or is cheating _with_ the speaker.  "wanting your love but you're giving it
out."                                                             ^^^^^^^^^
^^^
yeah, the subject of the song is out there somewhere foolin' 'round with
someone else. seems simple enough.
"i'm not your land of canaan" simply means, i'm not the person you're supposed
to be with. i'm not you're chosen one, that would be someone else. get it?
"it's not the fallen man, it's not the call of time."
i've always taken this to be refering to a typical situation where a
middle-aged person goes through a mid-life crisis and has an affair. the
"fallen man" is the person who gives in to temptation with another lover. the
"call of time" is the mid-life crisis that often sparks these things. i see it
as amy saying that her own situation doesn't have all these complex
psycological explanations. it's very simple. it's just me being here alone,
and knowing that you're out there with who-its-face. i'm not sure about the
"london skyline." though. i always just thought of amy being on tour away from
the person she's talking to, but i'm pretty sure the song was written before
any european tours, so i don't know. let's see, what else:
"it's just a senseless game." yeah, that's what it would be, wouldn't it?
what's the use of us trying to continue this "relationship" if you're with
someone else?
"it's just a raging cycle. i'd like to bring it to the end of the line."
it's the cycle of someone making promises to her, then breaking them, then
making more promises to her, and then cheating again, or whatever. amy simply
wants to end it. finally, i have to point out that this is a very angry,
determined song. amy has made up her own mind, and she wants it to be over, or
at least she wants a faithful lover. the song is _indeed_ a warning, a sort of
an ultimatum to the wandering one. _now_ do you get it?
ok, maybe i'm _totally_ overinterpreting this one, but this really is how i've
always seen it. i'm surprised at how diverse the interpretations of loc have
been. i guess that just shows how powerful a & e are as writers.

folkisgruven,
lorindigo

    i           will            not        be               complacent
lorinda wright           "learn to pretend there's more than love that
lw01@lehigh.edu           matters. -e.s.
lehigh university         "i want to harbor you from the anger
bethlehem, pa             find a refuge from the wrath. -a.r.
    i           will            not         be              complacent

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subject:      bootlegs!  bootlegs!!  bootlegs!!!!

hey folks!

i am really enjoying this song-a-day thread (brilliant idea)!  but for
repetitive reasons, i have yet to comment (you guys pretty much say it all --
and very well, i might add!).

anyhow, i'm on a mission (as i have been recently reminded)...  and that mission
is to obtain bootlegs!!  since i don't have any, i feel left out.   (*whine*)  i
know a couple of people have mentioned it (i.e. jude taking over for poor
bashed-up neily), but i haven't caught any other statements about the subject
since i've been on the list (a few weeks).   if anyone else is in the bootleg
business, many of us less fortunate fans would love to here from y'all.

*********** apologies for neily's unfortunate circumstances and wishes for a
speedy recovery.  hope ya got the license plate number!!! (and haven't lost your
sense of humor!)  **************

peace!

tamara

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subject:      my loc story!

i have decided to bless you all with my stupid, ignorant shallow
reason for liking loc.  i decided that we all need a small break from
the monotony of deep interpretations (not that i don't like them, i
am undergoing brain fry as a result of midterms and deep hurts!) and
leave a cute little story in its place.
well, i like the song because there is a small place in ohio called
canaan that no one knows about.  one of my best friends lives right
by it.  every time i drive to her house i pass a sign that says
canaan 5 miles.  i have to have  the song playing each and every
time, sort of a symbolism i guess!  well, that's my stupid story.
please put the clubs down.  i was trying to put in my .02.  i'll go
back to studying now, but see if i ever try that again <big puppy dog
look>
don't flame me please!
jj of the jungle
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have to of the same to live" -emily sailers

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subject:      land of canaan

hi all,

i was also curious about the land of canaan reference and ran a seach on
the web, i have included a bit of info that i found. more bible
references.. which given both a & e's strong religious backgrouds is not
ususual.
i think this is a great song full of energy. i can see the love triange
thang, but also i can see the i'm not your perfert lover, i'm just a
person line of thought.

btw, love this song of the day thing, good job. =)  peace

abstract: * 01/01/am "they did eat of the fruit of the land of canaan
that year." --joshua 5:12 israel's weary wanderings were all over, and
the promised rest was attained. no more moving tents, fiery serpents,
fierce amalekites, and howling wildernesses: they came to the land which
flowed with milk and honey, and they ate the old corn of the land.
outline: the book of genesis chapter 42

abstract: 1. now when jacob saw that there was corn in egypt, jacob said
unto his sons, why do ye look one upon another? 2. and he said, behold,
i have heard that there is corn in egypt: get you down thither, and buy
for us from thence; that we may live, and not die. 3. and joseph's ten
brethren went down to buy corn in egypt. 4. but benjamin, joseph's
brother, jacob sent not with his brethren; for he said, lest
peradventure mischief befall him. 5. and the sons of israel came to buy
corn among those that came: for the famine was in the land of canaan. 6.
and joseph was the governor over the land, and he it was that sold to
all the people of the land: and joseph's brethren came, and bowed down
themselves
http://keaggy.cc.cmu.edu/bible/genesis-42.html (6k)
best regards,

lisa

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subject:      thoughts on a grey day

so, it's cold and grey today. i am riding the bus to work, looking
out the window at the low laying grey clouds. feeling the cold of the
outside air against the glass of the bus window. feeling low and grey
myself. cold grey days seem to bring me down, but also seem to turn
my mind to intraspection.

so my intraspection (if that is indeed a word) for today relates to
the song a day thread. i was listening to so, and the song reunion
came on. i love this song. i started thinking about the song a day
thing, and what i would interprate this song to mean. then it occured
to me. sometimes i can't describe exactly what it is about indigo
girls that affects me so much. their lyrics are great, that's a
given, but dylan writes great lyrics too and he doesn't affecft me on
the same emotional plane as indigo girls do. not by far. indigo-girls
vocal arrangments are wonderful, beautiful sculptures of voice and
melody. the roaches also have wonderful vocals, but they don't affect
me as the indigo-girls do. emily plays great guitar parts, but there
are lot's of great guitarists out there....

often if i sit and try to put into words the meaning of an
indigo-girls songs, i can't really relate to an outside party what
the song means to me, much less what a or e may have meant in writing
the song.

let me try... sometimes when i am listening to indigo girls, i feel
as if i am catching a fleeting glimpse of true beauty. pure. good.
beauty. a beauty that goes beyond the words, the chords, the melodies
and counter melodies.. i keep wanting to say "truth". as if, for me,
the music of indigo-girls somehow contains a pure "truth". but again,
i don't know what this "truth" is. sometimes the music strikes me as
soo amazingly beautifull that i can't stop myself from crying. not
from sadness or pain. but simply from the beauty.

i realize that this may not make any sense, and may in fact sound
pretty strange.

well, i guess i have chewed up enough bandwidth for one soliloquy.

thanks for listening.

peace y'all.

dan

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subject:      hot topic (marginal igc)
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in-reply-to:  your message of "tue, 27 feb 1996 22:46:25 est."
              <pine.hpp.3.91.960227224445.19906a-100000@river.it.gvsu.edu>

hi aim, larissa, rob, et y'all...

>on tue, 27 feb 1996, larissa brown wrote:
>. tell me if you think i'm totally out of
>> line here, folks
>in regards to rob taylors remarks concerning the "amy ray is hot" part of
>his message.  larissa, obviously i am in agreement...what about everyone
>else?
>
>aim

umm... in the "i'm glad but you may be sorry you asked" department, i
think that angie from kc was right about giving rob (or whoever) a break
and finding out what he or she meant before shooting them down...  a
more healing/educating welcome might be something like "here's how you
join (blahblah), welcome...  i'd like to warn you that we don't talk
much about how hot amy ray is, since we try to steer clear of anything
too personal to either her or emily, but we do like to discuss how hot
amy & ems' music is."  even if they did just originally think amy was
'hot', maybe welcoming them to a discussion of the music & lyrics of ig
would help them grow beyond that...

aim, i don't think you're a snootie feminist bitch...  first, i
don't like labels like that ('bitch', that is. i have no problem with
'feminist' and have been flattered to be considered one, though i think
that too should be more process and less noun.)  -- it's just too easy
to dismiss someone elses' concerns and miss the truth.  additionally i
think you address a real issue, that of what it means to say a person is
'hot' or 'not' (in the sense of sexy) and how there can be so much more
to a person regardless of that (either way), although i'm not sure the
original poster meant it in that sense.

interesting how hot the word hot can be.

take care,
naz
off to listen to some hot 1200c!

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on wed, 28 feb 1996, dan perkins wrote:

> let me try... sometimes when i am listening to indigo girls, i feel
> as if i am catching a fleeting glimpse of true beauty. pure. good.
> beauty. a beauty that goes beyond the words, the chords, the melodies
> and counter melodies.. i keep wanting to say "truth". as if, for me,
> the music of indigo-girls somehow contains a pure "truth". but again,
> i don't know what this "truth" is. sometimes the music strikes me as
> soo amazingly beautifull that i can't stop myself from crying. not
> from sadness or pain. but simply from the beauty.
> i realize that this may not make any sense, and may in fact sound
> pretty strange.

actually, dan, i don't find it strange at all.  same goes for me, and
like you mentioned it, few other songs but ig songs do this for me... i
chalk it up to emily's lyric "if the world is night, shine my life like a
light..." ha, just thought of a kristen hall lyric, "i know there's a
voice speaking to me, speaking through me..."  there definitely is a
light that shines in the ig's music that... ha, more lyrics in my head:
"a love that passes all understanding, watching closely with the
journey."  yeah, that's the light i'm talking about. =)  and that, dear
friends, is why emily saliers is my hero.  if my songs could shine a
thousandth of the light that emily's does i could die happy...

hey, new thread possibility, igc or nigc: other songs that make you want
to completely bawl just because they're so unspeakably gorgeous you feel
plugged into a greater truth, as dan put it?  my votes would go to the
last chorus's harmonies in "mary" by sarah mclachlan, the "grab your
things, i've come to take you home" line in "solsbury hill" by peter
gabriel... and about fifteen songs by emily saliers.  oh, and i can't
forget cat stevens!  lots of cat stevens.

any other thoughts?  anyone?  anyone?  bueller? ;)

scot

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on wed, 28 feb 1996, dan perkins wrote:

> sometimes i can't describe exactly what it is about indigo
> girls that affects me so much. their lyrics are great, that's a
> given, but dylan writes great lyrics too and he doesn't affecft me on
> the same emotional plane as indigo girls do. not by far. indigo-girls
> vocal arrangments are wonderful, beautiful sculptures of voice and
> melody. the roaches also have wonderful vocals, but they don't affect
> me as the indigo-girls do. emily plays great guitar parts, but there
> are lot's of great guitarists out there....
>

for me, they connect with a place deep inside. its like a big hand
reaches inside of me and grabs a handful of joy and pain and brings it
all up into the light. the harmonic beauty, the spirituality, the joy,
the pain...

i can hear a song i've heard a zillion times before and i will still cry.
it just depends on the moment.


i have enjoyed the quality of the posts lately. lots of really good stuff-
i knew there was a reason i stuck around!

i bought the laura love collection at xmastime. some really good stuff there!


paulal

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i am deparately craving to hear the famous stream of
consciousness show!!!! i think it was april 12, 1995 in athens ohio.
if anyone can help me please get back to me asap!!!!
-brooke

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hey, does anybody still have either the 1-800 number or the direct number
for ticketmaster in new orleans where i can buy tickets?

thanks,
- jen hall

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subject:      re: thoughts on a grey day

in a message dated 96-02-28 17:55:38 est, you write:

>sometimes i can't describe exactly what it is about indigo
>girls that affects me so much.

i understand what you are saying, you expressed yourself
quite lucidly, i think. yep, yep yep.

i was trying to explain it to someone once, i said that it
seem to me that their music is kinda like a musical
"guide to life" . they just looked at me with a weird
expression on their face so i dropped the subject.

peace man!       claire


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subject:      disappear fear tour schedule!

thank you deana! .. i don't think that i can possibly explain the kind
of luck that i've had in trying to see df .. i've *tried* to get to
5 or 6 shows by now, but all of them just seem to never work out for
me ..

that's why i am *so* excited that they're playing in longbranch nj
in a few weeks! .. (and i just went to see a warren zeevon show there
this past sunday too ?!?)

-chuck

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subject:      amy, emily, and color me grey

hey all....  i've been listening to color me grey a lot lately and it
sounds a lot like the whole tape (or at leat a lot of it) is about amy
missing emily.  she even says emily's name in a song (i forget which
one...)  were they ever a thing?  and was this amy's way of getting over
it?  is this too personal of a question?  for anyone who has cmg, just
let me know what you think, or if you have any insight....
thanks, mandy

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well said dan!!! i totally agree, there seems to be a song for every
mood, every feeling, joy, pain and just uh... i love talking about their
music, the articles i've read and the ways they have affected my life.
(i am starting to feel like a regular posting to the list twice today)
eeekk.  as long as i am here, hi dana, joan, rachel and karen(tapes to
be mailed to you soon!!)
peace y'all

best regards,

lisa

>
>then it occured
>to me. sometimes i can't describe exactly what it is about indigo
>girls that affects me so much. their lyrics are great, that's a
>given, but dylan writes great lyrics too and he doesn't affecft me on
>the same emotional plane as indigo girls do. not by far. indigo-girls
>vocal arrangments are wonderful, beautiful sculptures of voice and
>melody. the roaches also have wonderful vocals, but they don't affect
>me as the indigo-girls do. emily plays great guitar parts, but there
>are lot's of great guitarists out there....
>
>often if i sit and try to put into words the meaning of an
>indigo-girls songs, i can't really relate to an outside party what
>the song means to me, much less what a or e may have meant in writing
>the song.
>
>let me try... sometimes when i am listening to indigo girls, i feel
>as if i am catching a fleeting glimpse of true beauty. pure. good.
>beauty. a beauty that goes beyond the words, the chords, the melodies
>and counter melodies.. i keep wanting to say "truth". as if, for me,
>the music of indigo-girls somehow contains a pure "truth". but again,
>i don't know what this "truth" is. sometimes the music strikes me as
>soo amazingly beautifull that i can't stop myself from crying. not
>from sadness or pain. but simply from the beauty.
>
>i realize that this may not make any sense, and may in fact sound
>pretty strange.
>
>well, i guess i have chewed up enough bandwidth for one soliloquy.
>
>thanks for listening.
>
>peace y'all.
>
>dan
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hi y'all!

i'm fairly new to the list and so haven't posted at all yet, but i feel
as if i must say something about land of canaan, be it ever so humble and
not nearly as inspired and intriguing as everyone else's.

land of canaan really is my favorite indigo girls song.  it is just so
powerful.  and i agree with most of the posts about its meaning, but does
anyone else really just love the "i'm lonely tonight i'm missing you now"
part?  just for its poignance and power?  i love the way ig always
manages to make me feel something when i listen to their songs, and
something about that line always gives me shivers and gets me teary eyed
when i hear it, even though i've heard it a million times.

thanks to everyone for making my days brighter!

jacqui at yale

ps.  about this "amy ray is hot" thing, i just think that it is very
immature of whoever said it.  however, when does feminism stop and
rudeness start?  i would consider myself a very radical feminist, but i
hope i never lose sight of the ability to accept a compliment or an
appreciation for physical beauty.  just because i don't want to be judged
solely on that doesn't mean that i can't appreciate the good faith in
which it is thought.  just my two cents, not that they were even worth
that much.  and i am completely opposed to flaming, so this was not meant
in any way shape or form to be a mean-spirited thing, it's just my opinion.

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sob, sob*
maybe i'm looking in the wrong place, maybe because all my mail hasn't found
me since my last move, or maybe the information is jsut not there - but, can
someone *pleading* anyone, send me information about the ig's touring dates
or lack of?  speaking of the schedule, anyone interested in "touring the
girls" this summer?  you know, driving from show to show, begging for free
tickets (a miracle) and making money selling hemp necklaces?  *feeling better
just thinking summer thoughts*

if you have any info or comments please e me at r.g.leonard@m.cc.utah.edu
(yes i go to school at the u of u)

peace,

rob

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on wed, 28 feb 1996, rob leonard wrote:

>  sob, sob*
> maybe i'm looking in the wrong place, maybe because all my mail hasn't found
> me since my last move, or maybe the information is jsut not there - but, can
> someone *pleading* anyone, send me information about the ig's touring dates
> or lack of?  speaking of the schedule, anyone interested in "touring the
> girls" this summer?  you know, driving from show to show, begging for free
> tickets (a miracle) and making money selling hemp necklaces?  *feeling better
> just thinking summer thoughts*

the indigo girls are not touring in 1996 or until after their next album
is out which will probably be next year.   they will be playing just 3
dates over the next few months:  one is the new orleans jazz festival,
one is the newport folk festival and there is another which is yet to be
decided.

mat

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subject:      re: disappear fear tour schedule!

thank you, d!  long branch is about 15 minutes from where i live, so i'm
looking forward to catching that show -- i've never heard them live before,
just enjoyed their "studio" work. wow, i needed that, after the day i had at
work!  :)

take care,
          danna

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in a message dated 96-02-27 23:43:40 est, jessie writes:

> and as for the chorus "you can say that i don't care i don't care..." it
>seems to me as if this person is coming back to amy, saying something like
"i
>forgive you for your sins, and i want to come home" but then amy hears the
>"your sins" part and refuses to take the stones that are thrown at her from
>within her circle of friends again.  if someone is not going to accept amy
>completely, for who she is, then amy will not accept them.

i definitely agree with what you are saying.  this song was always about
coming out for me.  i tried to fit into a mold that was never meant for me
and i was miserable.  when i finally realized that i was happiest with women,
the moment was filled with joy, mystery and fear.  i had to leave an entire
life behind me and walk proudly into a new one.  it was very difficult and i
did it alone.  i was faced with a choice that society offered me but at the
time it seemed as though it was offered by the people i was leaving
behind...i felt incredibly empowered when i took the first step away.  i love
this song because it reminds me about the journey that we all take in one
form or another.

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to me, land of canaan has always been the ultimate "put up or shut up" song.
i can just see amy saying "either you're with me now, or just get the hell
out of my life!!  maybe that's a too simplistic view of the song, but from
the first time i heard "i'm not your land of canaan, honey, waiting for you
under the sun, i"m lonely tonight" that's how i interpreted it.
   the first time i saw ig perform this was pretty funny. it was back in
'90(? i think) the first time we saw them. they stared the guitars to this
fast and furious, and amy starts to sing "you can...." when all of a sudden
she just stops and shakes herself. emily kinda looked at her to say "what the
hells going on?" amy says "sorry folks, i just swallowed a snot!! first time
that's happened on this tour!"  it was pretty funny. then they just blew us
all away with a fast and furious interpretation. it was great!


angie in kc

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subject:      (nigc):  copyright?

        just have a simple question for those songwriters out there who
might know.;

        my musical partner is quite concerned aobnut copyright laws and
if our songs are protected.

        how does one obtain a copyright?  is it really necessary?  there
is so much bullshit floating around out there.  i've heard the horror
stories and the legal battles.  just don't want to be a victim.

thanks for the input.
teri

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was the first ig song i ever heard.

after a sabbatical from music in the 80's because i
just couldn't relate to disco, and songs about howling
like a wolf with heavy breathing in the background
and other such nonsense,i heard this song while
trying to find a good classical station and  was
completly knocked out !!! i started hearing another
song called "loves recovery" at that time, as well as
"tried to betrue", and had no idea that they were
by the same people (or duo, in this case).
then i saw the ctf video(still not making the connection)
and  was electrified !

it was all over for me, i went out and bought the album,
and imagine my suprise when i discovered all of the other
songs that had caught my attention on it !=)

in spite of what ar says, she's an outstanding rythm
guitarist . i too found loc really hard to do
(so it became a ballad for me). then on christmas
morning 1994 i got it!!! it was like a miracle! i was so
happy that i played it over and over (and over) until
my family made me stop.

no beans up your nose !

claire

             -allways a godmother, never a god-

                                (fran lebowitz)

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subject:      kristen hall guitar parts (nigc)

okay...heres the deal. i'm takin' this voice class
out here at the evergreen state college and
i have to sing a song for real people (not just
my cats)
so i decided to sing "i have my reasons" by
kh....i've been playing c,g,am, f over and
over (w/variations). is this correct?? i thought
that maybe some of you guitar gurus out there
may have a better way and could clue me in ???

thanks ! toodles !!
claire
                         "owww!"
                                          (c.johnson)

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subject:      re: no subject / land of canan memories

i don't know what the heck happened to that post
out there but i was talking about land of canan
and i put that in the little subject box thingie, but it
dissapeared in transit. (sheesh)
really !

sorry,

claire

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subject:      grammys!  please pardon my pessimism!

hey y'all!

quick question(s):  did anyone else out there watch the grammys? ..... were you
as unimpressed as i was?  i am someone who really loves all kinds of music, but
i almost fell asleep several times (*yawn*).  not meaning to be negative, but
they just didn't "knock my socks off."  (as a matter of fact, they're still on
right now!)  there were a few good performances, but other than that, what a
waste of time!  especially when i could have been reading my e-mail instead
(hehe..)!

anyhow, happy hump day/evening/night  to everybody!!

peace!

tamara

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x-to:         lap@ix.netcom.com

in a message dated 96-02-27 00:59:13 est, lap@ix.netcom.com (linda perrine)
writes:

> how often do the
>ig do impromptu concerts in atlanta and/or emory u?

alright, that is it!  i am transferring.
julie, can you send me an application???

:)
jan

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in a message dated 96-02-28 17:13:10 est, you write:

> i'm not sure about the
>"london skyline." though

this always reminds me of foogy, cold, and quiet nights...

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on wed, 28 feb 1996, teresa c. esguerra wrote:
>         how does one obtain a copyright?  is it really necessary?  there
> is so much bullshit floating around out there.  i've heard the horror
> stories and the legal battles.  just don't want to be a victim.

i have a couple brochures from the copyright office of the library of
congress sitting here.  here's some of what it has to say:

"copyright is secured automatically when the work is created, and a work
is "created" when it is fixed in  a copy or phonorecord for the first
time."  this means the second you write down the lyrics or record the
music, you've got yourself legal protection under the law.

now, the question more seems to be "what happens if someone rips off my
song?  how am i going to prove that i really wrote it?"  that's a tougher
question...  you _can_ use the c-in-a-circle on anything you've created,
in fact the library of congress recommends that you do so...  one good
way of keeping things safe is, when you start making copies of a tape of
songs you've written, for example, send off a copy to the library of
congress with the appropriate copyright form.  that way, if someone (god
forbid) tries to rip it off, the l of c can back you up.  (i just sent
off a tape myself.)  downside: takes a little paperwork and $20 per set
of songs that you send in.

personally, i'm not terribly worried about this, i'm sure that if someone
foolishly tried to steal a song, i could round up a good 30 or 40 people
who could testify that i in fact played it for them before such and such
a date.  but really, that's a one-in-a-million chance... if you're really
worried, though, call up the l of c hotline and get yourself a copyright
application form, probably you'd want form sr to protect not only the
lyrics and music, but also the particular performance you've recorded...
the number is (202) 707-9100.

scot

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subject:      ar/"hot" comment

i think rob was jumped on pretty severely.  let's not attack so
quickly!

melissa

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amy is hot, though...

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from:         joan morrison <103161.3515@compuserve.com>
subject:      new orleans driving advice

hi folks,

i would also like to know the best way to get around in new orleans. i would like
to drive downtown to sightsee, but i was concerned about traffic, car theft, and things
like that.  btw, someone asked how far the airport was to downtown and mentioned something
about the outrageous prices of hotel rooms near the french quarter.  the hotel where
i and other listies will be staying, la quinta inn-new orleans airport, is actually
across from the main airport and is located in the suburb of kenner, which looks like
it is around 8 miles west of downtown.  i think the only affordable hotel rooms are
in the outlying areas of n.o.  i think the idea of renting a bus to take everyone to
the show is a fantastic one - safety in numbers, ya know:)  i would also be interested
in getting together with other folks from the list on friday and saturday to hang out,
go to dinner, go sightseeing.  it sounds like this fan tour is shaping up quite well.
i can't wait!  i got my tickets in the mail today (finally), so i feel much better now!

peace,

joan :)

p.s. -- any other listies from nashville or the mid-south area going???

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date:         thu, 29 feb 1996 01:16:37 est
reply-to:     joan morrison <103161.3515@compuserve.com>
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subject:      tickemaster n.o. phone numbers

hi boys and girls,

someone asked for the ticketmaster phone #s, so here they are:  (800) 488-5252 and
(504) 522-5555.

peace,

joan :)

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date:         thu, 29 feb 1996 08:46:03 gmt
reply-to:     h.burningham@ulst.ac.uk
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from:         helene burningham <h.burningham@ulst.ac.uk>
organization: university of ulster
subject:      hurray...ctf day!

yesterday, paula laine wrote re: how ig's music affects...

"for me, they connect with a place deep inside. its like a big hand
reaches inside of me and grabs a handful of joy and pain and brings it
all up into the light. the harmonic beauty, the spirituality, the joy,
the pain..."

thats it...you've hit the nail on the head...such a cool way of
describing it...a hand reaching inside...

anyway, its now closer to fine day, and i imagine there will be a
millions posts throughout the day.  ctf to me is about searching for
identity.  my friend and i were talking about it...we're doing that a
lot at the mo due to the song a day thread...anyway, we figured that
it was about looking really hard for a place to fit in and realising
that there's no need, that you are *who* you are not *what* you
are...its not as simple as black and white.  i don't know if this is
the general interpretation, but the song really steps out to me...you
see i'm in love with my friend and she's in love with me, but i don't
think that i'm gay and she's happy to think she is.  it's really tough
because sometimes i really want to *fit* into something...you know
like to know that there are other people around you who feel the same
way as you do...and then sometimes i get really frustrated because i
don't like labels and stereotyping and all that and i think why
should i *fit*.  this song to me is about this...when you look in so
many directions to 'find yourself'...search for a definitive...sometimes
it's just something you need, like a security that you do know who you are,
and its there for others to see, but then you find that this search
only makes you mad and defers your direction in life.  does this make
any sense...its something that really affects me, so i'm probably
over-interpreting and warping the meaning.  you see my friend can't
understand when i say things like i *really like* amy ray and anthony
edwards (from er...sorry...but i'm a fan!!) in the same
conversation...she thinks i'm confusing...am i?  there's a lot more
to this, but i don't want to bore y'all.  i guess i'd better stop
there...its a brilliant day to day...ctf one of my absolute favorites
and i guess all interpretations are personal opinions right?!

talk to y'all later

love helene

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date:         thu, 29 feb 1996 01:03:32 -0800
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subject:      re: grammys! please pardon my pessimism!
x-to:         "tamara l. mizell" <103660.214@compuserve.com>
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i agree tamara. but was anyone out really impressed with alanis
morissette? i thought she was phenomenal. i never realized she has such a
good voice, with good control. i not a huge fan of hers, but i really
like that version of "you ought to know". just my .02.

derek


on wed, 28 feb 1996, tamara l. mizell wrote:

> hey y'all!
>
> quick question(s):  did anyone else out there watch the grammys? ..... were you
> as unimpressed as i was?  i am someone who really loves all kinds of music, but
> i almost fell asleep several times (*yawn*).  not meaning to be negative, but
> they just didn't "knock my socks off."  (as a matter of fact, they're still on
> right now!)  there were a few good performances, but other than that, what a
> waste of time!  especially when i could have been reading my e-mail instead
> (hehe..)!
>
> anyhow, happy hump day/evening/night  to everybody!!
>
> peace!
>
> tamara
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from:         christel van der boom <christel@dlv.nl>
subject:      rhythm and chords

wed, 28 feb 1996 trant batey wrote:

>if anyone plays this song,  i'd like to know the rythum patterns you use=

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x-to:         mts5@aber.ac.uk

by the way...
hate to be dumb but
where *is* the newport folk festival?

thanks

larissa

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from:         indigo jo <mts5@aber.ac.uk>
organization: prifysgol cymru - aberystwyth - university of wales
subject:      re: land of canaan
x-to:         chris talbot <chris.talbot@m.cc.utah.edu>
in-reply-to:  <pine.sol.3.91.960228142406.13166a-100000@gos>

on wed, 28 feb 1996, chris talbot wrote:

> "i'm a pillar of salt" refers to the story of lot's wife.  apparently the
> people of sodom and gomorrah (sp) were having gay sex (ohmigod!) among
> other "abominations" (as most conservative theologians interpret the
> passage), so lot and his wife, apparently the only holy people left, were
> instructed to leave the land of canaan, without looking back, so that god
> could feel justified in destroying the twin sin cities.  but as lot's
> wife discovered, the penalty for looking back was being turned into a
> pillar of salt.

wasn't this in walk away though?

mat

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from:         carolyn <underdog@onramp.net>
subject:      tape tree

hi

i am trying to set up a tape tree to distribute live and rare indigo girls
tapes over this email list and the ig newsgroup.  right now i am looking for
some volunteers that would be interested in helping with the project.  my
plan is to handle it very similarly to the tape offers i have done on the
list in the past.  the branches would send me a blank tape with return
postage and i would send them the show, then there would be a group post to
the list telling members who to contact and send a blank and return postage
to if they want to get a get a copy.

i would like to offer these tapes on a regular basis, if you are interested
in helping out, have the time and energy, and have a method of producing
good dubs of tapes, please email me with your zodiac sign  and the state or
country you live in and we will see if we can get the ball rolling.  a rough
guess is that you would end up making 10 to 12 tapes each offer.   i would
like to do the tree based on the zodiac sign like the 'cover me grey' tape
was done,  and if possible have contacts in countries other than the u.s. if
the interest is there.

please be sure and email me privately, i am no longer on the email list.

thanks for your time

carolyn

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from:         seffy <seffy@epic.co.uk>
subject:      ctfday

well, just the fact that it's ctf day has put me in a good mood!
*exceedinglyhugegrin*
ctf will always be really special to me as the first song that introduced me
to the girls.  i remember hearing it on the radio when it was released as a
single and it just blew me away - i hunted down the lp and have been hooked
ever since.  musically and lyrically it's such a perfect example of an
intelligent well crafted pop song.  personally it gave me reassurance at a
tumultous time of my life - i'd just left home to study and after many
confusing years in the closet, was able to take a bold step out, stop
questioning whether what i felt was right or wrong and just get on with it!
the song (and the whole of the first album for that matter) were the
soundtrack to a really exciting and happy period of self-discovery.  a truly
fine time, and it's been getting closer ever since!

have a great day everybody!

*************
seffy
    cod==#
*************

seffy

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from:         trant batey <twb@zycor.lgc.com>
subject:      re: ctfday

closer to fine is the first ig song i ever heard. i was watching mtv and
the really bueatiful harmonies caught my ear.  i tought, "this is a really
good song and the video looks like a lot of fun.

later that month i was driving in the car and i heard ctf come on the radio,
i turned up louder and i remeber, i was driving past the chevy dealership
in seguin, tx going north on austin st., and emily got to the part where
she sang, "...twice as cloudy as i'd been the night before, and i went in
seeking clarity."  and, i just started to cry.

i decided, "you have got to get that record."

trant

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from:         tritessa <gsajaf@noctrl.edu>
subject:      re: grammys! please pardon my pessimism!
x-to:         derek keith moulaison <frisco@uclink2.berkeley.edu>
in-reply-to:  <pine.3.89.9602290151.b9364-0100000@uclink2.berkeley.edu>

> i agree tamara. but was anyone out really impressed with alanis
> morissette? i thought she was phenomenal. i never realized she has such a
> good voice, with good control. i not a huge fan of hers, but i really
> like that version of "you ought to know". just my .02.

i agree totally! i have been a pretty big alanis fan for awhile now, but
i was extremely impressed with her performance last night. i really liked
the twist she put on the song by using a string ensemble (although i was
rather upset that they had to censor part of the song -- it was censored
very poorly, we missed a good 3 seconds of the song when only about a
half a second was needed.)

jen

p.s. does anyone know if there is an alanis morisette mailing list out
there anywhere? thanks :)

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subject:      ctf day

hey y'all,

     well it's ctf day.  no insightful interpretation here.  i thought i'd
just pass on a little something i heard about the song (can't remember
where).  anyways, i guess when emily first played this song for amy, amy
didn't like it so much.  when emily first sang the line "..it's only life
after all.." amy said she couldn't believe emily had written anything like
that. she heard that line and that was all she heard, she was so freaked
out.  i guess later, as things progressed, the song grew on her. but amy
never expected it to become the huge hit that it has.

     life just cracks me up!


                                                        --sunny

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date:         thu, 29 feb 1996 11:20:11 -0500
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subject:      song of the day ?!?

can someone explain how this whole song of the day thing works..
i can figure out *most* of it just by lurking, but i'm still
not entirely sure .. if it's lengthy just post off-line (please!)

-chuck

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subject:      re: ctfday
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i think that ctf will always be one of my favorite ig songs, especially
after i saw them live and the entire audience joins in (just like on 1200
curfews). when i first heard the song years ago, i really didn't pay all
that much attention to the lyrics. but now everytime that i hear it the
song means more and more to me. the lyrics are really great even though
at first it may not seem like one of their "deepest" songs. it was my
first exposure to the ig and it will always be one of my favorites.

lisa

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subject:      df list

i forgot to ask .. does anyone know how to subscribe to the disappear fear
list? .. i was subscribed to it at one point, but i forget the addresses
.. is it still around?

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from:         glee <b3102097@cc.ntu.edu.tw>
subject:      at least we love; some just hate.
x-to:         stacie j kagan <skagan@iastate.edu>
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hi stacie; i'm a student from taiwan, and while coming out to my parents
before i'm fully independent (economically, everythingly...) has never
been my plan, i might be forced to do so because a lot of people in my
department know about it now. i don't care what the world think of me or
how they talk about me, but i really don't want to hurt my parents.

i just hope that each and every parent could acknowlege the fact that
when they want to have a baby there's 1/10 (or 2/100?) chance that their
child might be gay. we're not perverts; that's just the way we were born
in. it's sad to see that they take for granted that their child is bound
to love the opposite sex and then find out their child loves people with
the same sex organs and then they get so sad and hurt.

terms like "gay", "straight", "homosexual" "heterosexual"...bewildered
me too. as long as we love who's to say only whom we could direct our
love to??

the pope in rome should really listen to indigo girls so he'll
understand what love is...

gavin

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subject:      ctf

closer to fine was the song that got me involved with the girls, and it has
always been the perfect ending to an always incredible live show.  whenever
i hear the song, i am reminded of the good fortune that i've had with the
ig concert experience...the first time that i got close enough to see them,
i mean *really* see them was during the 12/4/94 philly show...granted my
fandom increase by %1000...and it was just amazing...the music entered into
my body and danced with my skin from the inside out...i wish that i could
articulate better how i felt about the feeling that it gave me...but,
fortunately, you all know what i'm talking about:)  from then on, that was
the only place to be, and i will always be found just there at every ig
show....wow...that's all i can say...
with dreams of immortality,
maggie
ps xo's to lynn, lorindigo, phil, and as always, my fortunate one joe

                      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
                      & "gonna be a long crawl *   maggie e. poulos    &
                      &    a high climb *     me_poulos@acad.fandm.edu &
                      &  through this soul of mine * bkrbkr@aol.com    &
                      &  and if i have to learn *                      &
                      &   to live again, *              *              &
                      &        i'll shed my skin *    ~m&f~            &
                      &    start all over again" *      *corroboree*   &
                      &              -michelle malone                  &
                      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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subject:      another meaningless story...

hey gang!

i still don't feel like getting deep and sentimental on everyone (big
midterm tomorrow, any sympathy), so i thought i'd tell you another
story.  amazingly enough, it does have to do with ctf.  well, it all
started when i was six...just kidding!
last year three of my closest friends and i went down to xavier u for
a visit.  we were wandering around and saw people giving away shirts
that had the qoute "i spent four years prostrate..."  (you get the
point.  well, my friends and i paid people to go and get these shirts
for us just because we are all huge girls fans!  i guess i could get
deep and say how this song has allowed me to form a tight bond with
friends throught the words of this song, but i won't do that.  leave
the knives in the kitchen, i'd like to live another year.  sorry for
anyone who was not in the mood for a story.
jj in chicago
"i wish i were a trinity, so that if i lost a part of me, i'd still
have two of the same to live" -emily sailers

p.s.  is there anyone else on the list that is from ohio?

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subject:      a sad adios for now

i just wanted to say a quick thanks to all out there who gave me a
daily dose of sanity....unfortunately i need to sign-off for now due
mainly to big brother watching and saying what kind of info i am
allowed to hear in my daily routine.....isn't corporate america grand?!?!?!?!

i'll be looking forward to getting back to y'all once i get my home
account squared away.

peace & love-

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subject:      ctf(ire?)

howdy y'all-

well, needless to say, i'm far from being the only one who's life was
forever changed upon hearing those opening chords and the line "i'm trying
to tell you something 'bout my life...."  first time i heard ig, and i was
so blown away, i'd never heard music like it before, and i still haven't
heard music to match it since.  common story, right?? the funny part is that
i spent a solid six months of my life listening to nothing but "ig" and that
entire six months i was singing the wrong words!!!  yes, i was very happy,
driving back and forth to school each day, ig blasting, really trying to
understand all those wonderful deep and insightful lyrics, and then when the
chorus to ctf came along i found myself singing "the closer i am to
fiiiiiirrrrrrrreeeeee, yeah, the closer i am to fire."  oops.  kinda a major
mistake there, huh?  well, actually not, i mean it's only _one_ little
letter, although somehow i think it drastically changes the meaning of the
song.  like, one word makes the song have all sorts of deep meaningful
meaning, and the other makes the song have no meaning whatsoever.  but i was
quite happy singing 'closer to fire'.  i even had an image to go along with
the song.  i would picture this group of cavemen sitting around, looking at
a burning tree that lightning had set on fire, and scratching their heads
and wondering "now how exactly can we get some of that for ourselves?"  so,
thus, the less i seek my source for some definiative, the close i am to
fire, or finding out how to make fire of my own.  like the cavemen, to whom
fire was so important, but mysterious.......tee hee, and now let us all have
a moment of profound thanks and gratitude that emily is the one writing the
lyrics and not me :)  what can i say, i was young, and i didn't have the
liner notes.  i can tell you it was a major shock when i read the lyrics for
the first time, after six months singing it my way........well, if you stuck
with me this long, thanks, hope it wasn't too profoundly boring :)

"it's only life after all"
cylinda
hick chick poser          "we act empty and innocent but we are fueled
                            by distortions of lives led in discontent"
                                 -amy ray

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date:         thu, 29 feb 1996 12:35:27 -0500
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subject:      1200c

i was listening to 1200cs the other day. i love this album!

anyhow i was thinking how cool it is when amy and emily are talking
to the child up near the front of the stage, they ask how old she is,
8, and the audience cheers!

i just think that's so cool. i always imagine that the audience is
cheering this childs existince. and cheering her parents for bringing
her to an ig show, but mostly just happy that this person is alive
and sharing this life with us.

anyhow i just get a real charge out of it.

peace

dan perkins
post episodic clairvoyant
tour guide to the obvious
'
"it's not your job to be as confused as nigel"
                                  -david st. hubins
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                    "these go  up to eleven"
                                   -nigel tufnel

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subject:      the secret marriage of newt & jessie (not exactly ig content)

howdy friends and neighbours.

awhile back i had an idea for those of us who are songwriters to
share some of our original material. the idea being that we could see
what other people inspired by a + e are up to.

well, this idea started of with a bang, but currently is located in
the fizzle file. some folks have dropped out.

soooo, if there are any songwriters, poets, instrumentalist, or other
audibly creative folks out there who might be interested in
particpating, please send me an e-mail and i will give you the
details.

peace

dan perkins
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                                  -david st. hubins
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                                   -nigel tufnel

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subject:      re: fan tour update 2/23/96
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hey, just wondering, bert...

how far is la quinta @ the airport from the festival and the venues??

thanks

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on wed, 28 feb 1996, dan perkins wrote:

> sometimes i can't describe exactly what it is about indigo
> girls that affects me so much.

> often if i sit and try to put into words the meaning of an
> indigo-girls songs, i can't really relate to an outside party what
> the song means to me, much less what a or e may have meant in writing
> the song.
>

i have this tendency to program the cd player to the "eternal repeat"
function with an ig song going for hours, usually one that kinda relates
to my current life and thoughts.  and sometime, somewhere, in those hours
for _one_ moment in time i can totaly grasp the entire feeling, content and
emotion of the song and it leaves me with the shivers . . .

rachel

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from:         christine housel <chousel@grove.ufl.edu>
subject:      ohio-born ig fan here....
x-to:         jennifer jaffe <jjaffe@wpo.it.luc.edu>
in-reply-to:  <s1359336.019@wpo.it.luc.edu>

hi jennifer! just saw your "p.s." inquiring about fans from ohio....i was
born in a lil' town called twinsburg, sorta between cleveland and akron
(a bit closer to akron though, in summit county). grew up there, and my
mom, dad, and sis all still live there (well, just my mom is in t-burg
now--my sis is in toledo & dad is in chagrin falls). i'm in florida for
now (gainesville), but still go home to visit my family every christmas
and whenever i have the chance!

where are you from in ohio? when you have a chance, e-mail me back and
let me know! i think you said you're in chicago now....*sigh* my best
friend (and ig fanatic like us) is now there....she was my buddy here at
grad. school (helped keep me sane).

will you be going to n'orleans in may? if so, maybe we'll have the chance
to meet.

peace & happiness to you,

christine  =)

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hey...

i grew up right around the toledo area...but in michigan.  basically
though, i spent all of my time in toledo though...is there anyone from
ohio going down to new orleans?  i'd be willing to carpool...(even
though i live near grand rapids michigan now...)

love
aim

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hi folks--
        i just realized that i accidentally sent an e-mail intended for
just one person to the whole list (that message about ohio...).
i'm sorry 'bout this....it was completely unintentional! (well, maybe
there are other ohio-born ig fans out there who'd be interested in replying
too? got your message aim--thanx!).

tchau,  christine  :)

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              <jennifer=hall%ts=syscall2%cs=hou@bangate.compaq.com>
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subject:      bad customer

ok...i work for compaq tech support.  so i deal with customers all day
long.  most customers are okay, but i just got off the phone with this
bit*h who just really pissed me off.

i'd be feeling "closer to fine" if i could kick her ass to the "land of
canann".

ahhhh..  i feel better.  thanks for letting me vent with an ounce of humor!
- jen hall

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subject:      fan tour update 2/29/96

the deadline for participating in this is only 8 days away, so i just wanted
to give you a reminder of what's going on.

i have rooms reserved at la quinta inn-airport at a rate of $132 per night
for may 1-5.  i am selling entire rooms at that rate or spaces in rooms for
$33 per person per night with a minimum/maximum of 4 people in a room.  if
you want a bed to yourself, you must purchase two spaces at $66 per night.

i am also chartering a bus to take us to and from the concert on may 4.  the
cost of a seat on the bus is $20 per person.

to participate, send me a check or money order made out to my name to the
following address.  i need to receive this by march 8, 1996.

bertin lefkovic
13 besler avenue
cranford, nj  07016

i look forward to having as many of you as possible be a part of this and
meeting you in new orleans.  if you have any questions or need any additional
information, feel free to e-mail or call me at (908)418-0721.  talk toy'all
soon.


let it grow

bert

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subject:      re: (nigc): copyright?

on wed, 28 feb 1996, teresa c. esguerra wrote:
>         how does one obtain a copyright?  is it really necessary?  there
> is so much bullshit floating around out there.  i've heard the horror
> stories and the legal battles.  just don't want to be a victim.

one of the best ways to document the date of your works is to seal it in
an envelope.  on the outside of the envelope write a description of the
contents & date it.  then (here's the big difference) send it to yourself
via usps certified mail.  it may cost a couple of dollars per envelope
sent, but it's then officially dated by the post office.  this is much
cheaper and easier than sending things to the library of congress.  do not
break the seal on this envelope except in a legal situation & in the
presence of official witnesses, etc.

hope this helps.
michael

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subject:      ctf day!

-closer to fine- is the song that led me to the indigo girls.
no musicians have ever effected me the way that this duo has.
for me, hearing this song for the first time was a profound
experience.

when es sings:

-i went to the bar at 3am
  seeking solace in a bottle
  or possibly a friend
  but i woke up with a headache like my head against a board
  twice as cloudy as i'd been the night before

  and i went in seeking clarity-

it was as though the universe had given me the gift of this
song to help me on my path. 1989 was my first year of sobriety.
for years i had sought clarity in a bottle and it had taken me
futher and further from myself. consequently i had a long
road home, this song, and other ig songs are like beacons
for me, and i will allways be grateful for them.

still walkin' that road
one day at a time,
claire

> when i did open my eyes, it was because i had to <

                                                                         bill
w.
> the less i seek my source for some definitive
     the closer i am to fine <
                                                   emily saliers

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subject:      ctf comments.

ok ...
the first 50 or so times i heard closer to fine
it was *not* sung by ig!

i met some guys singing on the street one day and started going to their
gigs.{bananafish/ local seattle acoustic-pop duo} they did a cover of
closer to fine (and a _fine_ cover of mrs. robinson too!) so i knew that
they didn't write it, but didn't know any more about it.

someone who knew i was into them jokingly referred to them as indigo boys
so i learned of the existence of ig but nothing more.

i saw the ig /ig disc at costco the xmas season of 92. i bought it.
1st song: heeeey! i *know* this song!

by jan 1st i had all the major releases available at that time;
been an iggy ever since.
(apologies to iggyhopper)


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        (206)764-5395           6000 16th ave s.w.
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subject:      ctf!

this was the second ig song i heard (kid fears 1st), and one of my all-time
favorites.  for me the song is just life.  i can't express it more than that.
also, i was at the 12/21/94 concert in atlanta to hear the version that is on
1200 curfews.  i like to think i can hear myself singing along on the cd.

that all,
peace

keith ;)

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subject:      bringing up your children the ig way!

i'll be posting later on for ctf day, but i just had to share this with all
of you. my son colin, who's 3 1/2, is downstairs singing the chorus to
galileo- in tune!! he asked for me to put on let it be me (his fav since age
18 mos), and yesterday while we were going to daycare, ghost from 1200 cf was
playing, and he said "this is on me (libm)" i like to think that he is
bringing a little ig light into the "small" world.

angie in kc

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i know that this is the indigo girls mailing list, but since they did
joni mitchell's "river" and i hav to do a reepport on joni and hav very
little information, i hoped that some of you out theeeree could hlp me
ouy, and privately emaill me any information you have on her in the early
years, and anything said by amy and emily about joni...thanks!!!

"fare the well my bright star"

jeanette

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subject:      ctf

"closer to fine" is the first ig song i ever heard. a good friend of mine
recommended them to me, so the next time i was in a music store, i decided to
buy the tape of their self-titled (major label) debut. i thought ctf was
really cool, a fun song to listen to and sing along with ... then, a few
months later, i borrowed the laserdisc of "live at the uptown lounge" ... and
my world changed. this may sound stupid, but the experience of watching them
on video was a real epiphany - a spiritual experience. the first song they
sang was ctf, and when emily sang the lines, "the best thing you've ever done
for me, is to help me take my life less seriously, it's only life after all,
yeah!" and she says the "yeah" part with a big smile, a  different tone from
the studio version - i felt a big burden lift from my heart.

you see, that song is a perfect description of the way i live my life -
perpetually in angst, questioning everything around me (particularly, at that
time, religion - i was born and raised catholic and was having major problems
with the church), thinking of the meaning of life and stuff like that ... and
people always criticize me for being so *serious*. and this song taught me so
much: that it's okay to be like that, that it's okay to laugh at yourself
too, that once in a while you have to stop actively seeking so much ... and
it's at that point that the answers will come to you. it helped me deal with
my unhealthy, bitter obsession with my church and all its failings.

one more thing (sorry to bore you folks!), a humorous ctf-related story. i
majored in film in college, and one class we were required to take was
acting. my professor was really into the method, and among other things asked
us to perform in front of the class. not just acting, but singing and dancing
as well. i swore to her that i couldn't sing, and she'd regret ever making me
try. she made me try anyway - and boy, did she regret it! i sang a truly
awful version of "moon river" - after a few moments of stunned silence, she
stared at me thoughtfully and said, "maybe you should try reciting some
poetry instead." i decided to recite "closer to fine." by emily saliers of
the indigo girls, i told my class. as fine an example of poetry as i've ever
had the privilege to encounter.

when i was done, the class was quiet. judging from the look on my professor's
face, they agreed with me.

(needless to say, she exempted me from the dancing portion...)

just thought i'd share.


wishing i wasn't tone deaf,

anna

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subject:      ctf

hi!
this is my first week of being on this list, but i felt i had to say
something about ctf.  it wasn't my first ig's experience, but it certainly
was a meaningful one.  i started listening to them the summer after i
graduated rom high scool  (so was my first cd).  when i started college i was
having a rough time coming out to my family, and also myself.  my best friend
lent me ig, and ctf just jumped out to me.  it always makes me feel a little
better when i hear it.
also - i found out this summer that my girlfriend's yearbook (junior year?)
is titled "closer to fine" !   cool!
thanks for bearing with me - i'm really glad i joined this list.
jenny

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subject:      ctf

"...and the best thing you've done for me is to help me take my life less
seriously, it's only life after all.."  i'm constantly reminding myself of
this!! (but most of the time, some part of me doesn't want to hear it all :)
)

"well darkness has a hunger that's insatiable and lightness has a call that's
hard to hear..."  the "crooked line" which, by its nature, is not something
we can predict...it's a struggle between certainty and
uncertainty...sometimes you just have to let go and let your faith guide
you...

"i spent four prostrate to the higher mind, got my paper and i was free..."
i hated college because i felt that i was being forced to learn certain
things that didn't mean anything to me. it took me a long time to realize
that i learned more about my *self* than i could have otherwise.  it was
truly a curse and a blessing...but that's another song!!  :)

chow,
rachel :)

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subject:      closer to fine

here's my ctf story:

two of the most precious women in my life and i all found the ig together in
grad school - i have been a devoted fan since.  somewhere along the line,
beth started signing her letters, "closer to fine, beth."   i thought that
was really cool.  i had the chance to meet the ig at an in-store record
signing in cincinnati several years ago.  i took the jacket from my rot tape
to have a and e sign for beth.  when it was my turn to talk to them, i asked
if they would sign, "to beth, closer to fine, amy (emily)"  then i told them
how beth had been signing her letters, "closer to fine."  when i said this,
amy sat back in her chair and looked at me with that 'deer-in-the-headlights'
look and said, "wow, that's really cool, i never thought of it that way.  so,
there it is.

btw, ohio people, though i live in utah now, i was born and raised in dayton,
oh.

peace,

rob

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i also am bringing up my son the indigo way.  his favorite song is
joking.  he asks me to play it over and over in the car.  he's nine.
he's been to a melissa etheridge concert but next chance i get he'll go
see the girls.  the boy has good taste.

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subject:      ctf

although i don't think ctf is their best song, it certainly is a fantastic
song. i sure many of you know what i'm going to relate - the first time you
heard ig. my husband had been telling me how he caught a smidgen of a song by
two girls playing acoustic guitars, and how it was really great stuff.  a few
days later he yelled "ang, come quick -they're on mtv!!."  that video... i
watched it last night, and i was just caught up in the freshness, and the
sincerity that they put into it.
   it wouldn't really be true to say they've changed my life, but how much
emptier it would be without them in it.
    on a lighter note, i wanted to relate this about the last ig concert we
saw (oct 94).  jim had gotten us 2nd row seats (they were unbelievable!!!),
and about halfway through the concert, many fans stood up and started dancing
in the aisles.  although i love my husband dearly (i better, it'll be our
_20th_ anniversary this september) he is not the most daring guy, and i
wanted so badly to jump up and dance with the rest of the people, but i
thought he'd get pissed at me. anyways, when ctf came on at the end, everyone
jumped onto the stage and started dancing. i came a millimeter close to doing
the same, but i thought "get real -you're 38 years old, and jim will probably
kill you for making a fool of yourself." so rationality won out, i just
danced in the aisles.
   anyways, as we were leaving, jim says to me, "you know, if you would have
made a move to go, i would have jumped onstage with you - i could tell that
you were itching to go."  arrrggghhh!!    men!!!

angie in kc

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