lifeblood: listlogs: 1996-04c

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date:         sat, 13 apr 1996 23:02:43 -0700
reply-to:     "just a girl and her guitar..." <irving@chaph.usc.edu>
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subject:      amy's soc (i will not be complacent!)

well, i hope this get's through, i hann't posted anything in a long while
and i've almost forgotten how to do it. oh, sadness... but fear not, i
bring with me one of amy's touch me fall soc's. i thought it was a
cchickenman soc (cuz it's been a while since i transcribed it) but i was
wrong. it's pretty cool, and even more impressive on tape, and even more
impressive live (i would assume). so with out further ado...

lisa :)

"if the moon were full
i'd be howling inside
it only hurts
in matters of the heart" - tracy chapman

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i will walk down the street...i will walk down the street...i will walk
down the street and i will hold my head high... i will walk down the
street and i will say hello to everybody and i will hold my head high...
i will say hello to every one... i will not be ashamed...i will fall down
and i will get back up again... i will not be ashamed...i will not be
complacent...i will not be complacent... i will not be complacent...
and we will not be complacent...and we will not be complacent... and we
will not be ashamed...and we will be alive...and we will be happy... and
we will walk down the street and we will smile and we won't worry about
it...we will not be racist...we will not be sexist...we will not be
homophobic...we will not hate...
we will love we will love we will love we will love...
we will love the ones we hate...
w e w i l l l o v e t h e o n e s w e h a t e...

- a. ray 8/7/94

* punctuation liberties have been take, capitals = shouting

ok...so this is a 3 part message,

1) who-ever that was that wanted blue food or tuesday's children, i have both
and am always up for a trade (even though i owe like 4 tapes right now!!)

2) amy's birthday (cut and paste here, o' deliverer of my thoughts)

hey amy-

i think if i were you i might hate having all these random people thinking
about me on my birthday when all you really want is to get your message out
and play some guitar and stuff, but still, i feel i have to send you this
message. you (with emily) have changed me through your music in so many
amazing and beautiful ways. i will *not* be complacent. happy, happy
birthday.
love,
larissa

3) ok, this is getting long, but someone wanted us to share our fave ig
concert experience...i was on study abroad in ireland my sophomore year of
college and we were in belfast and i knew and was beginning to adore the
girls but had never seen them and sure wasn't the same kind of crazy die hard
fan i am today...and i saw a flyer for them (there was a tank right next to
it-that i'll never forget) and it was right after the warrington bombing and
i went with a friend to this tiny club (50 ppl? maybe 75)-this was in
'93...and i'm still kicking myself for not taking either tape recorder or
camera cause everyone else was tapin and snappin and the girls did *not*
care...(amy actually said..."stateside we usually don;t like all the cameras
so much...but it's ok, y'all) it was just them and sara lee and they took my
breath away...i was screaming for "blood and fire" (i didn;t know amy didn;t
do it much) and she heard me and smiled and said "where are you from, yank?"
and we laughed and i said californmia and she played it for me...i almost
died...they were about to release rop and they did "let it be me" and when it
came to "shine my life like a light" emily started to cry and then they sang
(a'capella) "all we are saying is give peace a chance" and taled about peace
and reconcilliation...and we all cried and i shook their hands and
well...i've been a diehard fan ever since...so has my friend colleen, who was
there too. i bought all their albums the next day, and paid the higher import
cost.

hope yall enjoyed my crazy story...all true...

peace

lariss

heya y'all.. i've got 2 things for sale right now and both are in mint
condition-

one is-- a black, swamp ophelia, limited edition, signed vinyl-- w/ orignal
shrink wrap, only been opened, not signed, has been cleaned too.. i'm
selling that for 30.00

the second is-- a mint condition rites of passage tour book.. i'm selling
that for 20.00

please a- serious inquiries only
b- email me at my address-- water@mindspring.com

last time i posted this i got quite a few interests, but when i followed up,
no one followed back up with me..

*smile* and take care!
-water

"if you're afraid of the dark.. remember the night rainbow.."

"if you have butterflies in your stomach.. ask them into your heart.."
        -cooper edens
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      diviant rosehip                             gay but not narrow
          http://www.mindspring.com/~water/rose.html

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date:         sun, 14 apr 1996 21:48:40 +0000
reply-to:     jenni <rainbow2@iinet.net.au>
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from:         jenni <rainbow2@iinet.net.au>
subject:      tour date for sept/oct?

hi ya'll
hope someone can help me, i have a couple of friends who are really
into indigo girls and dar williams and they are coming over to the
states in sept /october. can anyone help me with possible touring
dates for either as they are really keen to see them while on hols
from australia.
if you can help, just drop me a line ,
thanks in advance,
jen

hey ya'll.  what's up?  i'm new to the listserv stuff, so i might be a bit
out of it.  :)
umm....ig is my favorite band.  does anyone know when they're coming to
detroit.  i missed their last tour, and i can't seem to find out when
they're gonna be here.
thanks ya'll.
laters
rosie

i am selling off my entire boot collection to anyone interested...
i am also selling an so vinyal and some other indigo singles....i am not
going tto post each individual item on the list but if you e_mail me i will
send you a e_mail catologe....if you are interested then send your inquirey
to jrshade@cc.owu.edu.....thanks a lot......josh

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date:         sun, 14 apr 1996 10:51:11 mst
reply-to:     susan marine <smarine@cc.colorado.edu>
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from:         susan marine <smarine@cc.colorado.edu>
subject:      big, fat nigc!!!! jen kwok, please email me!!!

hi jen....could you email me?

sorry to the rest of you...i lost her email address....

susan :)

smarine@cc.colorado.edu

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date:         sun, 14 apr 1996 09:52:24 -0700
reply-to:     "dwayne d. jarrell" <djarrell@ix.netcom.com>
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from:         "dwayne d. jarrell" <djarrell@ix.netcom.com>
subject:      re: car crash revisited and comments on live ig

alycia wrote:
>well, i just purchased _ellen james society_ "reluctantly we" and printed on
>the insert are four tombstones with the names warren, gary, fletcher and jan.
>
>coincidence? connection?

i haven't seen a response to this one, so i will bite. (if there was a
response and i missed it, i am sorry - it was difficult to get through the
400 or so messages that piled up over vacation :).

i remember someone saying once that these were all former ejs band members.
i know for certain that jan dykes was in ejs before rw was released (she is
credited as co-writing most of the songs). i am sure there are soc-heads to
back me up out there!

and here's another ig-ejs connection i just discovered.  i knew that jane
scarpantoni appeared on both ejs cds, and of course she has toured with ig.
what i didn't know is that barbara marino, who added percussion to the
survivor's parade, also toured with ig.  she appears on the boot i just got
of my first ig show in 1991.  the tape also confirms my idea that it was
gerard mchugh who opened for the girls at that show.  it's a shame that at
that time i didn't know gerard at all.

i must say that the best version of kid fears that i have ever experienced
was at that show. for the first two michael stipe lines, the crowd sang. i
always think that this is one of the most spiritual and inspiring things i
can ever experience - all those voices together singing those beautiful
lines! the one-ness of the entire audience can be truly awesome (see
dictionary definition :).

and then at this show, gerard takes over the ms lines.  and he sounds a hell
of a lot better live than michael (at least on latul).  it just works
perfectly imho.  i must thank michael valenta a million times over for
giving me the opportunity to re-live this magical show whenever i want.  it
reminds me so much of why ig stand head and shoulders above almost everyone
else out there - their spirit is so honest and true and only a live
experience can really demonstrate that fully.

long live ig!! :-)

:dwayne

djarrell@ix.netcom.com
"she said 'look outside - it's my favorite time of day'
it doesn't matter she's lonely. she feels alive this way"
- "brigadoon", mary fortune express

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date:         sun, 14 apr 1996 11:22:35 -0700
reply-to:     "just a girl and her guitar..." <irving@chaph.usc.edu>
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from:         "just a girl and her guitar..." <irving@chaph.usc.edu>
subject:      open arms chords

hi again all :)
just once for the record, i'm from sunny southern california. i am a
student at usc (somebody's nashville), but i absolutely love this school.
but being originally from san diego, which is only 2 hours away from la,
it wasn't quite as much of a shock as moving here from ohio.

this post is for any guitar playing kristen hall fan's. i think i've
figured out the chords for "open arms" from her album be careful what you
wish for. i would love some feed back, and there are a couple of places
i'm a teensy bit unsure of the chords, mostly the little wrap up parts at
the end of the chorus. so if anyone is interested, i'll send you a copy,
and feed back is very much appreciated.

thanks a bunch

lisa :)

"i wish i'd been the sailor
that you wanted me to be"
- kristen hall "island"

i just wanted to share a really cool amy story with the list.

during the n*i*s tour, a friend of mine got to talk to the girls after a
show. she asked amy about their independant albums and how to find them.
amy said give me you're address and i'll make you a tape. sure enough,
within a week, my friend received the tape from amy in the mail.

how cool is that?!?

ok listers ...

an early request ... for all of us not making it to new orleans ... someone
out there has got to boot this ... and we'll do a big 'ol tape tree ... just
something to hold us non-jazz festers over until newport
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

my bio ... another new englander ...

name: christine antolini
prefers to be called: chris or guini (linguini)
d.o.b: december 1, 1970 (sag !!!!!)
resides: connecticut
occupation: working for a construction company
pets: none at the moment - had two mice (now deceased)
marital status: single - looking for a girlfriend who is sane ....
first heard ig: "closer to fine" on (ack!) mtv - but it took r&j to win me
over - ah what was i thinking waiting so long !!!!!!
first saw ig: tried for sold-out tix to beacon theatre shows in 1992 ... then
too late for sold out newport 1992 ... but alas ... "ig - in central park"
... i'm there ... right up against the barricade separating the masses from
the stage ... wow ... i've since sseen them about 10 times ... ct, philly
(front row), ny, ri ....
other faves: melissa, ani, k.d., mcc, alanis, mm, kh, vld, commonbond ... too
many to list ...
pastimes: trading ig bootlegs with fellow listers .... looking for more ig
boot-videos ...
working out at gold's gym ... washing my 1994 z-24 weekly ... hoping to win
the lottery ... haning out in philly with my best bud's ...

enough !?!?!

peace

hey all... does anyone know yet if the girls are actually going to be on the
family channel sometime real soon?.... the reason i ask is because a few of
you were posting speculations about a rumour concerning this, but no one
actually gave a real time or date... that i read, anyway... then yesterday
my friend's 13 year old son, who knows i'm a big ig fan, told me that they
were going to be on the family channel next week. he said he saw it on the
preview channel... i myself don't have cable, but will get a friend to tape
for me if i just can figure out when????
anyone out there have any helpful info + insight?
peace + previews.... kim.
<kim fischer>
rcn@prcn.org
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life is a room full of rocking chairs and sadistic
grannies... and i am a cat with a very long tail.
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date:         sun, 14 apr 1996 16:46:45 -0400
reply-to:     poohgrl816@aol.com
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subject:      re: ig on family channel - truth or rumour?
x-to:         rcn@prcn.org

if someone would make a tape of this i will buy the tape.

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date:         sun, 14 apr 1996 16:54:00 -0500
reply-to:     claro casey <claro@m2.monsterbit.com>
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from:         claro casey <claro@m2.monsterbit.com>
subject:      daemon records
x-to:         "karen a. vittek" <kvittek@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
in-reply-to:  <199604140040.raa13560@gladstone.uoregon.edu>

hey ya'll.
many of you have written email to daemon records so i decided to post this
directly. yes, you can order the jcs video (and any of the releases for
that matter) directly from daemon records. you can either visit the web
site (http://monsterbit.com/daemon/) or send email to me directly at
mellie@monsterbit.com. and, yes, we do take credit card orders.
the video is $15 and cd's are $12 (mostly). please add $1 shipping and $.50
per item in addition.

if you are curious what the new releases sound like, may i suggest you
try some of the sound clips at the web site. they should give you a good
idea.

thanks to everyone for being so supportive...we really do appreciate it.

mellie

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date:         sun, 14 apr 1996 19:35:12 -0400
reply-to:     pat stark <wingstar@mulberry.com>
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subject:      times for ig on the family channel

i just got this info from the program guide, hope this helps :
the family channel indigo girls in london:
                       april 14  at 9:05 pm
                        "   17  at 10:15 pm
                        "   25 at 11:30 pm
                        "   30 at 10:15 pm
remember time differences, these are est.

i won't be able to tape it tonight so if anyone out there catches it can you
let me know if it is the same one that was on the disney channel or a
different one.

pat
wingstar@mulberry.com

hey. would anyone out there be willing to make me a tape of this album. i
have copies of blue food, tuesday's children, and color me grey if someone
wants to trade tapes. (the albums i've got aren't origional discs, just
tapes, but the quailty is still o.k. = ) well, thanks y'all. hey, for all
those that are going to n.o. have fun!

peace : )

-catherine

ok so i'm showing off but i'm just so exited i have to!
(no the ig aren't finally coming to britain)
it's a mere two days before i go off on a tall ship from the canary isles
to the azores and i'm going to take my ig tape and listen to it whilst
lying in the netting over the bowsprit (the sticky out bit at the front)
and below me will swin dolphins and the sun will shine and it's going to
be great. i love listening to mellow ig stuff at sea
where are your favourite places to listen to them?
a lot fo you like to listen and drive but what about some other good
places to listen?
(thanks to all the people who said they
will tape me some ig stuff. i'll get back to you all after my holidays!!!)

:-)
love to you all.
(if i could send an email postcard i would!)
<g> grin!
helen

helen brindley            (__)
hb07@students.stir.ac.uk  (oo)
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date:         mon, 15 apr 1996 19:43:01 +0000
reply-to:     jenni <rainbow2@mail.iinet.net.au>
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from:         jenni <rainbow2@mail.iinet.net.au>
subject:      any darwin listers (nigc)

hi ther,
just wondering if there are any listers here from darwin aust, as i
have a friend travelling to there soon who would like to make contact
with somenoe with local knowledge.
thanks,
jenni

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date:         mon, 15 apr 1996 13:18:45 gmt
reply-to:     h.burningham@ulst.ac.uk
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from:         helene burningham <h.burningham@ulst.ac.uk>
organization: university of ulster
subject:      ...i'm back (almost nigc)

hello one and all...oh it is *so* good to be back on the list
(although coming back to university after a great break is not
necessarily so great!!)

i missed you all, but i've had plenty of the girls over the last week
thanks to seffy...the video addiction has begun!

ig are the greatest...sorry i missed amy's birthday...hope she had a
fantastic day...

i'll lurk for a bit...

talk to you later

love helene

"steer clear of the shore,
the coast is rough and rocky" kate wolf

coming out of lurk-dom to share this...

another issue of "that's what i heard", a newsletter devoted to atlanta based
singer/songwriter caroline aiken, is now available. this one contains
details of
recent tours through texas and california, her showcase at south by
southwest,
current tour dates and much more.

to get on caroline's mailing list and recieve a sample copy of the
newsletter,
just e-mail your snail mail address and i'll see that you get one. caroline
will be playing in the new england area all next week...don't miss a chance
to
see her *live*.

rebecca (from al and an ig fan since 1988...for those keeping stats) :)

> i love listening to mellow ig stuff at sea
>where are your favourite places to listen to them?
>a lot fo you like to listen and drive but what about some other good
>places to listen?

     ya know, i've often wondered where other people listen to ig.  so i'll
bite, it seems like a good thread.  mostly i listen to boots.  i don't
think i've listened to an official release since 1200 curfews came out.  i
listen to my bootlegs when i'm dubbing them for others and on my walkman
while i'm walking my girlfriend's dog.

--sunny

okay y'all,

    i have made some progress in organizing my old saved posts for the past
year or so i've spent on this list.  originally i thought y'all could just
e-mail me requesting which chapter you wanted and i'd send it as an
attatched file.  well, with the large number of people on the list-- this
could turn into a full time job!  so, my girlfriend has graciously offered
some space on her ftp sight.  that way y'all could each go there and get
what you want.
     second: i got this boot about a month ago with a most excellent
version of amy doing squeaky fromme and i heard down by the river on my nff
'95 boot and cried!  love the version of no way to treat a friend on my
blacksburg, va  4/18/91 boot.  anyways, all this got me to thinking about
putting together my own version of 1200 curfews.  so i've got a list going
of some great versions of songs from my bootlegs and i want to put them
together onto one tape.  the most excellent mix tape of ig bootlegs i can
devise.
      the reason why i'm mentioning this to y'all is i'd like suggestions.
i only have about 80 boot tapes and a few cd's.  i know there is a lot of
untapped stuff out there.  if any of you have a boot with a version of a
song that you think is excellent, drop me a line with the song and date of
the tape.  if i don't have it maybe we could trade for it.  i know there
are some of you out there with hundreds of boots.  also, anyone sending me
a copy of a song/boot for the tape would get a free copy of the mix tape
when finished.
     disclaimer:  i usually only work about 20 hours a week.  my boss went
to europe for a 3 week vacation and i'm running the entire place.  i am now
working 50 hours a week with only one day off until the end of the month.
this would definately be a may project.  but we can spend april getting our
list of songs together.  just wanted to let y'all know it wouldn't be
happening tomorrow.

so please send me your suggestions for the neatest versions of a song
you have heard on a boot. also any ideas of a title for the tape.

--sunny

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date:         mon, 15 apr 1996 10:22:20 -0400
reply-to:     rob sticka <rob.sticka@gsfc.nasa.gov>
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subject:      postal address needed for donna schwartz - now!

does anyone have the postal address for donna schwartz (indicated iii tape tree
helper)?

i would like to have it as soon as possible!

rob

rob sticka

national aeronautics and space administration
goddard space flight center
greenbelt, maryland 20771

hubble space telescope project
flight assurance manager
phone: 301-286-8455
fax: 301-286-1779

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date:         mon, 15 apr 1996 09:39:32 cst
reply-to:     lisa hardaway <lhardawa@wscgate.wsc.edu>
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subject:      re: where i listen
x-to:         sunny <sun@swcp.com>

          i mostly listen to ig when i workout.  there's nothing like
          ig and the weightroom.  i also listen to them as i stretch
          and relax...it helps calm the effects of a stressful
          morning.

towanda

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date:         mon, 15 apr 1996 07:57:16 -0700
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subject:      re: where i listen
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:) i love listening to 1200 curfews when i'm waiting for/riding the bus!!!!
i don't mind sitting on a bus bench so much that way! :)
rick
(row 18 seat 11)

s e v e n t e e n

*what is this love that keeps me coming back for more when it'll only end in
misery?* s machlachlan

*he was never mine to lose why regret what could not be? these are words
he'll never say....* from les miz

..........a little fall of rain can hardly hurt me now...................

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date:         mon, 15 apr 1996 09:15:21 mst
reply-to:     susan marine <smarine@cc.colorado.edu>
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from:         susan marine <smarine@cc.colorado.edu>
subject:      so vinyl: the race is on (sort of)

hi there everyone. having returned triumphant from boulder with six signed
copies of so vinyl, and a wonderful meeting with alan (thanks again, pal)
my first actual *list encounter*, i am prepared to let them go.

but wait!!!!
three of them are promised to people who have given me signif. stuff or
done signif favors. the other three are up for grabs, as promised.

but wait!!! do not email me now!!!

the socialist/feminist/altruist in me wants to make this as far as is feasible
over email....sooo....

whoever emails me first after noon mountian standard time tomorrow can have them(figure out what that is in your part of america) :), the first three people
can have one each. the cost is $16, that includes postage (the albums were 11
a pieece and five should cover the mailer)

so, anyhoo, that's the scoop. email me before noon tomorrow if questions.
thanks and have a great day! and don't buy 30 dollar so vinyl, friends!!!

susan

smarine@cc.colorado.edu

> i love listening to mellow ig stuff at sea
>where are your favourite places to listen to them?
>a lot fo you like to listen and drive but what about some other good
>places to listen?

okay... so, living the wildly exciting life that i do..... :- )
on the maid's day off.... when i *have* to do stuff like clean the house...
i like to put on nias and just crank the steroeo. h+n always puts me in a
good mood. bare footed ( in the kitchen a lot of the time... but definately
not pregnant ) and bopping through my house with a broom ( hmm... where'd i
park that thing last night?...) that's my "other good place" to listen to ig
tunes.
uh... can i write two places?... cause, like, i work writing on my computer
and i almost always have an ig cd playing on it whilst i hunt + peck :- )
sometimes though, it's hard for me to seperate myself from the emotion the
music stirs up in me, and we can't have an angst ridden report on the local
lawn bowling club's last event, now can we?... no no no.... :- ) so i have
to turn it off. *sigh.*
peace + pleasent places.... kim.
<kim fischer>
rcn@prcn.org
*************************************
life is a room full of rocking chairs and sadistic
grannies... and i am a cat with a very long tail.
************************************

it's funny but i was working on a schooner(big big sailboat) when i
heard ig music for the first time and so my favorite place to hear them
was on the boats on the weekends while we were cleaning up from the week
long cruise...we weren't allowed music without headphones with passengers
on board so i'd play songs on my guitar, but on saturday we'd put in
n*i*s or rop and crank it for the whole harbor to hear...whew!
sharon

my turn!

real name:  rachel sefton-smith
but you can call me:  seffy (grrrr if you call me rachel.. let alone rach...)
age: 25
habitat:  sunny brighton by the sea - south coast of england.
live with:  my partner erika and our budgie billy (with his extraordinary
talent for whistling tunes)
occupation: multimedia librarian and manager of software testing department.
hobbies: music, music and more music... another singer/songwriter - next gig
this thursday, sanctuary cafe, hove, 9pm if you happen to be passing...
latest hobby: the joys of tape tree-ing - 20 tapes this weekend!
fave bands: pretty predictable but lovely none-the-less -  ig, mary cc,
melissa e, nanci g, shawn c, aimee m, etc. etc.   oh, and abba...
fave films:  chalk another one up for fried green tomatoes,  boys on the
side, calamity jane...(spot the lesbian subtext...*sings*..."oh a woman's
touch...can do so much...")
fave reads:  mabel maney, armistead maupin, anything published by virago,
women's press etc
observation of the day:  remembering the post last week about amy and
emily's middle names - elizabeth and ann respectively - don't you think it's
mildly interesting that their initials are the same in reverse and their
surnames are only one letter apart - p'raps there is an alphabet of destiny...

by the way, i really enjoyed all the stories for amy day - we must do the
same for emily day!

**************
seffy
cod==#
**************

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on sat, 13 apr 1996, deborah gordon wrote:

> hey ya'll,
>
> i was just thinking it would be really cool if people could talk about
> their favorite indigo girls concert.

i think that would be last summer in portland ore. for the hte tour.
i drove down with a really good friend and since we live in seattle/olympia
it had to be an overnight type of thing. for a full time working mom with
a 18 mo old child this was quite the adventure.

the thing that made it so great was a combination of the adventure, the
waiting, and the awesome concert. i don't remember any posts during that tour
mentioning that it was an all day affair. our tickets mentioned two
opening acts + ig. concert was slated to start at noon, so we figured ig
around 4 pm maybe.

ha! joke's on me! there were many many things going on that day. it was hot.
very hot. i did bring a blanket but was totally unprepared to sit out in
the middle of a blazing field for 8 hours. i have always been a shade person.
i bought a tshirt and wore it on my head and that helped the most. soaked
it down with water etc. the food & drink sucked and was really really
expensive. at least there was an outdoor shower set up. i had fun but it was
a bit rough.

when the girls came on at 8:30-9ish the sun was going down. it was a
great show. highlight for me was amy singing r&j. i can't think of anything
i loved loved loved that they didn't sing. girl fom the crowd got to go
onstage and play guitar during a song. being in that huge crowd of women
felt so safe and so right. i liked it beacuse it was my second show- the
first show i taped and it limited my enjoyment trying to get a good tape.
this time i was in it for the cathartic experience. oh yah!

we had planned to drive to the hotel in daylight, right? but it was dark
dark night by the time we left. a wicked road...my car with no brights...
office closed by the time we got there. they were wonderful enough to
leave the room key under the mat so we got in ok. my friend had a bitchin
sunburn cause she thought she didn't need to use as much sunblock as i
was using. all in all quite a day. can't wait to do it again.

paulal
never met them yet. afraid of them anyway.

please send anything about the ig's... thanks...

okay i realize that the official amy day has past, but alas i was
canoeing that day, which i think she could appreciate and couldn't really
contribute. so here goes.

i find that there is a n amazing connection between amy's reaction to the
chickenman, and how i think my own reaction would be. when i first ws
becoming familiar with the girls work i was amazed and awed by their
talent and understanding, this awe has only increased in the years that
have gone by since then. i can se myself meeting her/them, and not being
able to say a word, not being able to tell her what a difference shes
made, how far shes gone in keeping me sane. so i would just sit there, my
mind racing but my body paralyzed, trying to absorb it all. wanting to
make an impression, an impact on her, not wnating hert o forget me in the
sea sea of faces that scream out to her everytime she gets on stage. i
wnat to ask her so much b/c it seems like she knows, but i can't say a
thing and i just sit there and let the chance of a lifetime pass me by
and will forvever kick myself for it but there is nothing you can do. to
be able to get close to that drive to that energy, passion and fire, and
not get burned, that would be the attainment of a goal unimagionable.

sorry i went off there a bit but, they just seem to crawl into my skin
and voice the things that i haven't the words to voice. so thank you amy.
if anyone deserves a happy birthday it's you.

purged
kristal

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hey...

im looking for old boots of ejs that someone might have around the house
collecting dust. i already have the wrek radio show and the 15 minute
club boot. if anyone has anything else and would be willing to arrange a
trade, i would be eternally grateful. thanks to many generous friends, ive
got a wide variety of artists to trade (e.g. ig (of course), the aforementioned
ejs, ani, natalie merchant, dar williams..to name a few). im really only
interested in trading for ellen james tapes at the moment (unless you
happen to have any mary fortune express boots..:). email me privately and
you will become my new current hero. thanks..

tig

ps. for the very few on the ig list that remember or might care, i was
watching the best of american bandstand on vh1 the other night and
tafkap and band were on..(the artist formerly known as prince). part of
tafkap's band at the time included gayle chapman who was/maybe still is
half of the band black diamond whose other half was jan skirzynski who,
back in 1992, was the recipient of my twenty dollar check for the infamous
"indigo girls compilation video" for which the check was never cashed (to
this day, i must remember to account for this outstanding check when balancing
my checkbook--i now sort of like the 20 buck buffer truth be told) and the
video never became more than an urban legend on the ig list. the end.

pps (and obigc). amy and emily are cool.

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subject:      where are we from - - final results

ok.. the results are slowing down, so i think we're at the end of the
interest on this topic, so i'll post the final results.

state/country # reported percentage

texas                           13                              12%
-------------------------------------------------------
mass                            11                              10%
-------------------------------------------------------
ca & mi                         6                               5%
-------------------------------------------------------
canada, england, ill,
nj, washington          4                               4%
-------------------------------------------------------
az, ark, australia,
ct, ga, la, nh,
ny, oh, pa                      3                               3%
-------------------------------------------------------
dc, fl, germany         2                               2%
-------------------------------------------------------
al, co, id, in, ireland,
ks, me, mn, mi, mo,
ne, ok, or,
philippines, sc,
scotland, taiwan,
ut, va                          1                               1%
-------------------------------------------------------

fellow texans!!! we did it!!!
- jen hall

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hey out there!!  i know good and well there are more washingtonians out
there (the other washington...you know, slug slime not thug crime....) i
have heard from a lot personally!!  i think the 4 that were counted were
me, jessi, carolyn and mmedido (claire).  am i right?--gwen

hey :) greeting and salutations from the land of the
rising gallagher brothers...

neily (that's me) needs. not wants, needs a copy of
in with the out crowd. the actual cd and not a dub...

i believe the word i'm looking for is...'help.' please.

so if anyone has a clue (and no, rainy day is not the
answer) then please share. and i'll share my mars ice-
creams...(that's milky way ice-creams to our american
friends) which apart from being on special offer (buy
four get four free) are exceedingly gorgeous whatever
the price...but they might melt, so maybe not...

i could even regale you with details of our mini uk list
night out in london on saturday, but not here, because
lots of potentially libellous things were discussed...:):)

and to the persons who can come to my rescue:
thankyouthankyouthankyouthankyouthankyouthankyouthankyou...

@}--,--'---

hey y'all!

if there's anybody out there who has any signed a&e articles for sale
(particularly photos, vinyls, posters) please e-mail me.  i'd really
appreciate any help you could give me in this area.  i'm pretty new to this
and would like to add to my collection.  thanks for listening!

cyndi(go)

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on mon, 15 apr 1996, gwen keyt wrote:

> hey out there!!  i know good and well there are more washingtonians out
> there (the other washington...you know, slug slime not thug crime....) i
> have heard from a lot personally!!  i think the 4 that were counted were
> me, jessi, carolyn and mmedido (claire).  am i right?--gwen

well you are right and called me out on it! you can all see from my sig
what i do...

paulal who just ordered jcs video from rainy day cause the stores in seattle
don't have a clue...

:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
        paula laine             south seattle comm college - library
        (206)764-5395           6000 16th ave s.w.
        library technician ii   seattle  wa 98106
:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

i am from washington state!!! i thought i indcluded that.....grrrruff!
well, i am, anyhows.
laters.
chalk me up too, 'k?

victoria

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subject:      kh touring (nigc)

hey y'all--i was browsing through the newsgroups and saw this bit of info
about kristen hall touring in boston.  thought least coasters (sorry
that's east coasters) might be interested.  this kind of info is usually
posted on the list first.  can anyone verify the show and does anyone know
if kristen will be playing anywhere else anytime soon.  i am dying to see
her again and a trip to atlanta ain't in the cards right now.  thank you
kindly

greg

in article <4km3ul$jum@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, fhpromo@aol.com (fhpromo) wrote:

> a show has just been booked in the boston area for the fall -- october 5th
> to be exact with  kristen hall, the burns sisters, and richard shindell.
> though there are 3 acts, each act will get a full hour set.  kristen will
> be doing a few other shows which i'll post when i find out.  for info on
> this one at the somerville theatre, davis square, somerville, ma you can
> call (617) 628-3390.  tickets are $15.50 and $14.50 with a $2 discount for
> students.   at the door they will be a dollar more.
>
> i just found this out from the promoter who just got the tickets ready to
> sell.   kristen hasn't been touring much so it will be a good chance to
> see her.

--
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northwestern university
gflame@nwu.edu

moo?
as amy and emily look out at the crowd, sizing it up, they
notice scores of people...wait. how many is a score? i'm not
sure...lots of people, then. they notice lots of people
wearing homemade t-shirts with the word "moo". some
with cow paraphenilia, even. that one strange looking guy
with the faux cowhide jacket, too. they converse:

amy: um. so, what's up with all the cow stuff?
emily: got me.
amy: i mean, check it out- there are scores of people with
"moo" on their shirts.
emily: scores?
amy: lots. lotsa people.
emily: it's pretty weird isn't it?
amy: are the cowboy junkies playing after us or some-
thin'?
emily: nope, we're the last act on stage tonight.
amy: huh. weird.

the geeky guy standing not five feet away from them, the
one who keeps opening his mouth, trying to say: "amy,
you're a god! emily, you rule!", anyway, that guy. he
knows the answer to their little dilemma. well, it's not even
that much of a dilemma, they've already changed the
subject to whether or not they should play "it won't take
long" tonight. (they should.) anyway, this guy steps
forward and speaks. okay, first he stammers a bit and says
something like, "hi", but he has to say it a couple of times,
because he seems to have forgotten how. when he finally
finds his voice, he looks straight into amy's eyes and goes:
"wow."  then (okay, we're getting back on track here) he
clears his throat and says: "i know about the cow thing."
amy and emily, being smart singer songwriter rock 'n roll
gods that they are, have already figured that part out. he's
got 3 cows and a "moo" on his t-shirt.
emily: so what's the deal with that?
fanboy: (oh my god, emily saliers spoke to me!) well,
   you see, there's this list, this email list that's totally
   dedicated to the indigo girls, well, you, that is, and um...
amy: (a little wary) we've heard about this list...
fanboy: uh. right. well, see, when we were discussing the
   1200 curfews version of "galileo" there was a little
    debate over which one of you said "moo" before the song
   begins.
emily: uh-huh.
fanboy: and, well, it just became a little catchword. like
   "schwing" or "isn't that special?".
amy: (yawns)
fanboy: um, so a lot of us who are here wanted a way to
   identify each other and, well, "moo" just seemed like the
   neatest way. and. well, that's the story.
emily: oh, are you all meeting for the first time?
fanboy: (composure gained, he is confident and comfort-
  able at last) yes! actually, that's one of the greatest things
  about the music you've made.
amy: what's that, fanboy?
fanboy: well, you've brought together a  bunch of wonder-
   ful like-minded (mostly) people. i mean, mostly like-
   minded, not mostly people. although i'm not sure about
   that, i guess.
emily: (with a big ole smile) wow!
fanboy: yes, and although we sometimes argue about little
   things like...who said "moo", we have a wonderful time
   talking about everything from a to e. ahem. and well,
   i've met a bunch of great people and it's all because of
   you.  so thanks. and...well. just out of curiousity... which
   one of you said it?
emily: oh, that would be me.

amy: no, it was me.

fanboy tip toes back into the crowd with a bigger-than-
usual smile.

the end.
moo.

*what is this love that keeps me coming back for more when it'll only end in
misery?* s machlachlan
**the sun goes dim/and the moon's turned black/for i loved him/and he didn't
love back** dorothy parker
*he isn't here. it was i, imagining what he would say. and i thought i heard
him.
he's always with me, he and all his beauty and his cruelty. but he musn't be
anymore.
i mustn't think of him. that's it, don't think of him. yes. don't breathe
either.
don't hear. don't see. stop the blood in your veins.* dorothy parker

hi all! add me to the "ohio" tally, y'all who are keeping track!

name:  christine housel
from:  twinsburg, ohio  (a lil' town between cleveland & akron)
age:  26 years young
currently living in:  gainesville, florida

current "occupation":  perpetual master's student at univ. of florida,
        in latin american studies/tropical conservation & development program
eventual occupation (let's hope!):  natural resources/conservation
        specialist, hopefully working with a tropical forest conservation
        project in latin america (employed by a u.s.-based
        non-governmental organization--"ngo", for the acronym-happy!)
        * anyone out there in ig-land who's in a similar field of work? *

a few things that make me happy:  trees, dogs, family & friends, optimists,
                  and like the rest of y'all, the music of the indigo girls
music:  each & every ig song, kristen hall, melissa e., mccarpenter,
        elton john, simon & garfunkel, fleetwood mac, & a bunch o' others

at new orleans show:  orch. row 19, seat 13 or 14.  will be bringing and
        holding the "folkisgruven/moo!" banner at uno unless someone else
        wants to...if so, please e-mail me!!  thanx, and see you there!

* any speakers of brazilian portuguese out there in ig-land? *

peace,

christine :)

sorry if this was brought up already....

ya wanna know how good/bad your seats are for the no show at lakefront arena???

direct your browsers to:

http://www.ticketmaster.com/directory/venues/flo/475/seat1.html

countin' the hours.....
:)
eric (orchestra l....row 19.....seat 2)
irc---->zeke or jonas
p.s...check out the dancin' area behind the orchestra seats.....reminds me of
stabler arena (lehigh u., pa) a little bit....'course we *are* rushing the
stage....right?

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date:         tue, 16 apr 1996 03:47:50 gmt
reply-to:     ahidalgo@fc.emc.com.ph
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from:         anna hidalgo <ahidalgo@fc.emc.com.ph>
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x-to:         wingstar@mulberry.com

hello everyone!

if any kind soul out there is willing to make a copy of this show for me (i
live in the philippines, and the chances of my seeing it are less than
zero...), i will grovel in gratitude. it doesn't matter to me if it's the
same as the disney one -- don't have a copy of that one either! i would be
willing to reimburse anyone for the cost of the tape and postage ... thanks
very much!

anna

>the family channel indigo girls in london:
>                       april 14  at 9:05 pm
>                        "   17  at 10:15 pm
>                        "   25 at 11:30 pm
>                        "   30 at 10:15 pm

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i listen to ig in two places: my room and my car.

at home, i have appropriated the family's mini-component, which is supposed
to be communal property and was originally situated in the living room. well,
too bad for everyone else, because it is now located beside my bed,
strategically placed so that i get maximum acoustic impact from the cds i'm
playing when i lie down and close my eyes.

ig tapes are what make the awful traffic in this city more bearable -- nice
time to be alone and really just listen to the music. but _heaven_ is
borrowing my parents' car, which has a 6-disc changer. i take it out late at
night or early in the morning when there's no traffic, blast ig at top
volume, and speed through the city. it's the closest thing to freedom i have
right now...

in a message dated 96-04-15 22:51:36 edt, anutt19882 writes:

<< dearest friends,

below is a story about a little boy that has a simple wish of getting i
million cards before he dies of a brain tumor. please take a couple of
minutes to read the story below and forward this to as many of your
friends as possible. those of you who always wants to help others but
don't know how, this is a good opportunity for you to do something.
thank you for your time. even if you don't want to send the crad, at
least e-mail your other friends. thanks again.

       craig shirgold is a 7 year old boy who lives in keen, n.h.  he is
dying from an inoperable brain tumor.  he made a wish to children's
wish foundation, that he wants one million get well cards sent to him
by august 15 so he can make the world book of records before he dies.
cards can be made or bought.  please send the cards to the following
address:

                       craig shirgold
                       c/o children's wish foundation
                       32 perimeter center east
                       atlanta, georgia 30346

please pass this on to churches, schools, girl scouts, boy scouts, your
centers...etc. and make a little boy's wish come true.

helping people is the key of happiness, so please do whatever you can to
help the boy, thanks!

wish you all happy & healthy ! >>

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forwarded message:
subj:    fwd: forwarded mail.... (fwd)
date:    96-04-15 22:51:36 edt
from:    anutt19882
to:      jhduke@mailbox.samford.edu
to:      jknowles@music.cc.uga.edu
to:      74077.2002@compuserve.com
to:      reeserm@mail.auburn.edu
to:      m995802@nadn.navy.mil,bbsban
to:      echeuer@edisto.cofc.edu,dstone4417
to:      gsi01555@gsaix2.cc.gasou.edu
to:      kdugan@music.cc.uga.edu,sanawike1
to:      kimberly_christian@baylor.edu
to:      scythen,sedillar@edisto.cofc.edu
to:      cassonee@edisto.cofc.edu
to:      harrelll@edisto.cofc.edu
to:      hlbarr@edisto.cofc.edu

please take the time to read this forward.....andrea
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forwarded message:
from: moorea@edisto.cofc.edu (anna moore)
to: kavanegm@edisto.cofc.edu (kimberly van egmond), anutt19882@aol.com
(andrea nutt), sedillar@edisto.cofc.edu (seely dillard),
connerv@edisto.cofc.edu (valerie conner), edevere59@aol.com (mary compton),
caldwelj@edisto.cofc.edu (janet caldwell)
date: 96-04-15 20:39:01 edt

anna moore moorea@edisto.cofc.edu

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date: mon, 15 apr 1996 14:41:58 +0800 (wst)
from: stefan nikolay schmitt <stef@tartarus.uwa.edu.au>
to: moorea@edisto.cofc.edu
subject: forwarded mail....

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date: thu, 11 apr 1996 10:25:52 +0000 (wst)
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cc: karey cheong <kcheong@tartarus.uwa.edu.au>,
    karen cheng <echeng9@alpha2.curtin.edu.au>,
    chui chong <pk@tartarus.uwa.edu.au>,
    henry chan <hchanky@tartarus.uwa.edu.au>,
    graeme cable <ecable@alpha2.curtin.edu.au>,
    chee wee tan <cwt@tartarus.uwa.edu.au>,
    steffan schmitt <stef@tartarus.uwa.edu.au>,
    ngoc luu <eluu1@alpha2.curtin.edu.au>

i got this from a fren in the eastern states. i took a few minutes to
read it. so i expect all of you to as well :)
-james

dearest friends,

                       craig shirgold
                       c/o children's wish foundation
                       32 perimeter center east
                       atlanta, georgia 30346

please pass this on to churches, schools, girl scouts, boy scouts, your
centers...etc. and make a little boy's wish come true.

helping people is the key of happiness, so please do whatever you can to
help the boy, thanks!

wish you all happy & healthy !

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from:         go go gadget metro!!! <eric.d.thiel-1@tc.umn.edu>
organization: none whatsoever.
subject:      re: nigc - sounds like a legit thing...(fwd)
x-to:         sanawike1@aol.com

on 16 apr 96, sanawike1@aol.com said about nigc - sounds like a
legit thing...:

> << dearest friends,
--sob story deleted--

for anyone who doesn't already know, this is old. very old. i've seen
this floating around the net for years, and i'm always told that it
is old. so old that since it started, the boy died, the family has
gotten sick of letters(you would too) and the guiness book removed
the category altogether to try to stop people from sending cards.
in other words, please just delete the message.

please pass this info on to anyone you may have sent this to.

************************* this is a free speech zone
*************************
in defiance of the communications decency act, i refuse to
self-censor the
content of my e-mail, my online postings, and my web pages.  i urge
other
constitutionally-protected americans to declare their online
communications
free speech zones and to fight any attempts at regulating, censoring
and
"dumbing down" the internet.  the net is not tv and radio!  let's
keep it
that way.  for more information about free speech on the internet,
contact
the electronic frontier foundation - the eff's website is located at
the
following url - http://www.eff.org/blueribbon.html  support the eff's
and
the aclu's fight against censorship and net tyranny!

(this sig stolen from ) jim leftwich (jleft@well.com,
wardpkwy@aol.com)
***************** i support the eff's blue ribbon campaign
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(consider attaching a similar message to your e-mail messages and web
pages.)

hello...
      sorry, i didn't realise it was old... i figured that it was okay... the
charity sounded good... i didn't mean to waste anyone's time.  public
apologies to all... don't worry, i didn't send a card or anything... thanks,
eric!   peace to you all, sarah

p.s. does anyone have the address for the atlanta artists list? (like, the
one to which i would write to subscribe?)

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subject:      re: where are we from - - final results

on 15 apr 96, jennifer hall said about where are we from - - final
results:

> ok.. the results are slowing down, so i think we're at the end of the
> interest on this topic, so i'll post the final results.

sorry, but let the records show that there are ig fans in wisconsin.
little, bashfull 'ol me. (and a lot of my net-less pals)

-anxiously awaiting news of the mn shows-
eric.

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from:         helene burningham <h.burningham@ulst.ac.uk>
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subject:      re: where i listen

hi y'all

i listen to ig whenever i can...i bought a car while i was home last
week and drove 550 miles back here on sunday...i christened the car
with a good dose of rop and it went down splendidly...my car loves
them too.  it's only a 10 minute drive to university, but i can still
sneak them in, and when i cycle for a change, i'm accompanied by my
walkman.  so all in all, i'm never far from ig (except during the day
at university, when i can't listen to anything (so i have ig
wallpaper on my computer).  it's always good to come home on an
evening and know i can blast my room with the power of ig.  too cool
for words!

talk to y'all later

love helene

"steer clear of the shore,
the coast is rough and rocky" kate wolf

        hey y'all,
        i've gotten a good response from about 20 or so of you, but i'm
afraid i'm going to make the cut off date for tape requests friday 4/19.
***please respond with your interest by 4/19.***
        i would appreciate it if all requests past, present, and future have
their tapes and sase in the mail postmarked no later than 4/22, so i can get
all dubbing, inserts, etc. done and mailed back out before my finals start
in a couple of weeks (ugh :(  )
        thanks a lot to those of you who have reponded so far, and thanks to
you if you are about to respond! :)  if you decided to pass this time,
that's ok.  who knows, if the reaction to this tape if favorable from the
crowd, i may offer future releases as they become available.  also, if you
get a tape and like it, feel free to give copies to a million of your
friends!!  that's my main goal for this anyway...  to share my music with
the world.

jeremy

'nother one from wisconsin! :)
i wanted to saty in my corner til i found some company (thanx eric!)

avital

avital@lucy.cs.wisc.edu

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subject:      nigc -- mary chapin carpenter

fyi: from the radio concert mailing list

late show with david letterman, cbs
friday 4/19 mary chapin carpenter (repeat of 5/18/95)

  can anyone tell me if there exists a bootleg for this show, geneseo
n.y. - kuhl gym (12/13/92).  this was the one and only time i got to see
the girls in concert.  i went to school at geneseo and i was able to
work the concert and meet a&e, it would be really cool to have a tape
of this show.  so if anyone has any info i'd love to hear from you.

you can e-mail me privately: kmitchel@cs.utk.edu

thanks
kevin mitchell

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subject:      re: fanboy tells a story to amy & emily.
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ha! nice little story you have there. sometimes i wonder
what they are thinking when they look into the crowd.

towanda
llh

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subject:      re: nigc - sounds like a legit thing...(fwd)
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nooooo . . . not *again*.

you're right, it *does* sound like a legit thing.  and it *was* a legit
thing.  however, this is an *old* legit thing.  craig shergold {somehow,
somewhere in the magic of the net, i believe his name has been
misspelled} was a 7 yo who wanted to be in the guiness book of world
records for receiving the most get-well cards.  he did.

*however* this was several years ago. the boy lived, and guiness retired
the category when the kid got several million cards.

the make-a-wish foundation is *still* receiving cards for him.  please
don't send anymore.  they are not helping make a little boy's last days
with us a little happier.  they are just creating headaches for the good
folks at make-a-wish, who should really be spending their time working on
helping make other children's lives a bit brighter.

okay, off the soapbox.

nadyne.

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it was a legit thing the last 100 times it showed up here.

-trinket scratches her head and wonders why all sites don't
ban chain mail.

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subject:      re: where y'all sittin' in no?

9th row - - seats 13/14

i'll be the one with "moo" on my shirt...

- jen hall

don't forget y'all....may 2nd - - cafe du monde after the show !!!! first
round is on dan perkins!!! <only kidding dan>
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sorry if this was brought up already....ya wanna know how good/bad your
seats are for the no show at lakefront arena???direct your browsers to:

http://www.ticketmaster.com/directory/venues/flo/475/seat1.htmlcountin' the
hours.....:)eric (orchestra l....row 19.....seat 2)irc---->zeke or
jonasp.s...check out the dancin' area behind the orchestra
seats.....reminds me of    stabler arena (lehigh u., pa) a little
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>
> hello...
>       sorry, i didn't realise it was old... i figured that it was okay... the
> charity sounded good... i didn't mean to waste anyone's time.  public
> apologies to all... don't worry, i didn't send a card or anything... thanks,
> eric!   peace to you all, sarah
>

it's hard to know what's real and what is not real, especially when
the mail tugs at your heart strings like that and it mentions
something like the "make a wish foundation" which is a very real and
very wonderful charity.

however, a way to be sure is to call make a wish (or united way, or
american cancer society, etc...) and check the veracity of the post.
i'm certain they'd appreciate the effort to 1) participate in said
event should it be real and 2) help with the rumor control if its
false.

-- chris

hey all... if we're still following the "song a day" thread... then today
must be cedar tree day... and me, i've got absolutely no stories attached to
it, nor any insightful thoughts as to its meaning. i'm hoping someone out
there in ig list land does + will provide an interesting post....
too, i wanted to share a funny about my youngest son. he was diagnosed as
"mildly autistic" as a toddler... something he would grow out of. well...
now, at the age of eight, he's basically completely normalized ( define
normal :- ) ) ... very intelligent ( taught himself to read at four yrs w
phonics ) and *very* logical. the other night i was listening to my so cd
and lc was playing. kienan was sitting on the floor playing a video game w
the sound turned down when suddenly he turned to me with a puzzled look on
his face. he said "mom, that makes absolutely *no* sense. how can she say
"the hardest to learn was the *least* complicated? she needs a dictionary. i
don't think she knows what those words mean." :- )
anyway... it made me laugh.
here's to a great day for you all...
peace, kim.
<kim fischer>
rcn@prcn.org
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life is a room full of rocking chairs and sadistic
grannies... and i am a cat with a very long tail.
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hello ig fans!  my name is rhonda and i subscribed to the list several months
ago but had to leave because there were no local access numbers where i live.  i
finally found an internet provider with local numbers and i am so happy.  i live
in ohio in a little town south of canton.  i love the ig and am happy there is a
list like this.  looking forward to ig concert info (i have never attended a
concert) thank you
r

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=f6i=acvi dont' think that that email about the little boy is applicable=20
anymmore. i got two emails....one saying that he had died, the o=da=d3=e4=
=fbther=20
saying that he was already better. nevertheless i think they broke the=20
record. :)

   ..............................................
  ..noi liang.....................................
  ..35 fifth ave........nql5986@is.nyu.edu........
  ..apt. 412.........noi@cyberdrool.gt.ed.net.....
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subject:      where i listen

hi everyone,
regardless whether my roomate and i have completely different tastes
in music i listen to my ig in my dorm room.  see d is very much into
hip hop and that kind of stuff, and although i like it and and am
very open minded to other music....she is not.  she dreads when i get
home from class before her...chances are land of canaan will be
blasting from my stereo.
my parents have now grown to love the girls, since i play them so
much at home.  and not just in my room....in the spring....i open all
the windows and let our newest stereo roar!  i"v ehad to make a few
copies of romeo and juliet for the neighboors.
oh and anytime i have batteries i use my walkman...the harmonies are
soo much clearer and easier for me to figure out so i can sing them!
just thought it was a fun thread.
erika
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i will walk down the street...i will walk down the street
...i will walk down the street and i will hold my head high
... i will walk down thestreet and i will say hello to every-
body and i will hold my head high...i will say hello to every
one... i will not be ashamed...i will fall down and i will
get back up again... i will not be ashamed...i will not be
complacent...i will not be complacent... i will not be
complacent...and we will not be complacent...and we will not
be complacent... and we will not be ashamed...and we will be
alive...and we will be happy... and we will walk down the street
and we will smile and we won't worry about it...we will not be
racist...we will not be sexist...we will not be homophobic...we
will not hate...we will love we will love we will love we will
love...we will love the ones we hate...w e   w i l l  l o v e
t h e   o n e s w e   h a t e...
- a. ray 8/7/94

* punctuation liberties have been take, capitals = shouting

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subject:      ani difranco interview (some ig content)

in the 4/30 issue of "the advocate" is an interview with ani defranco.

(reprinted without permission)

super girl - singer-songwriter ani defranco smashes sexual, musical,
and corporate rules to create a success story all her own

by guinevere turner

when it comes to sexual orientation, ani difranco refuses to be pinned
down. "my favorite thing about being in the media is that the story
changes so much depending on who's writing it," says the independent
25-year-old singing phenomenon. "one minute i'm a raging dyke, and the next
minute, i"m straight." if that sounds like difranco is afraid to be
labeled a lesbian, guess again. "i would happily be a big dyke to help
affirm people in their own choices," she continues, "but i fuck up, i
fall off the wagon."

it's just as hard to pin difranco down musically, although people are
always trying to slap some kind of label on her. "at first i was joni
mitchell," she recalls. "then suzanne vega, michelle shocked, tracy
chapman, sinead o'connor, liz phair, lisa loeb-now i'm up to alanis
morissette. it's ridiculous. it's whatever girl's hot this year - i get
compared to 'em all."

try to get her to talk about those artists and how she feels about their
music, and difranco gives an answer that fits right in with her elusive
persona, "i think the more girls making the more kinds of noises in the
world, the better for all of us," says the singer. "i even support women
who i think make ridiculous music, just because they're out there doing
it. i'm not much for slagging other girls. you know what? more power
to them all."

although difranco may be uncomfortable evaluating the work of others,
some of the music's brightest lesbian stars are not shy about praising
hers, "we're huge fans of ani," says emily saliers of the indigo girls.
"she is an extremely gifted songwriter, especially lyrically." chimes in
fellow indigo girl, amy ray, "good groove too!" saliers goes on to say
just what difranco would probably like to hear; "she's an inspiration.
it is so important not to go the corporate route - for all people, not
just gays and lesbians."

difranco's rejection of the corporate route has become part of her
legend. she consistently turns down record company offers, a fact she
flaunts in the song "the million you never made" on her 1995 album
'not a pretty girl.' the first and last time she really considered
signing was just after her first album came out. she was living in
london, and a uk indie label, which she describes as "very cool - we
hung out and drank beers and talked politics," wanted to sign her and
rerelease her first album. difranco decided to go with it and then
looked at the contract. "i thought, 'these are good guys, and here i am,
21 years old, and i'm expected to prostitute myself.'"

"i never even seriously considered it again," she continues, "it's a
business, and the problem with big business is that they have the best
interests of business at heart." instead, difranco started her own label,
righteous babe records, for which she's recorded seven intensely personal
albums that have won high praise from the critics an a growing number of
fans. her eighth cd, 'dilate,' is due for release may 21.

now difranco packs clubs such as irving plaza in new york and the troubadour
in los angeles and has sold many thousands of tapes and cds through
on-site sales at festivals and venues and through her mail-order number.
her music is folk-meets-punk-meets-street-poet-meets-girl-madness: full
of energy, full of words, and full of her personal experiences-exactly
the kind of thing athat aeepals to reigning lesbian folk artist janis ian.
"the first time i heard ani sing," recalls ian, "i wanted to break my guitars
over my head. i thought 'why bother? she's so good.'"

difranco's name is also beginning to be heard in the high-powered world
of rock. even lesbian rock goddess melissa etheridge has been known to
inquire "who the hell is ani difranco? i've been hearing good stuff about
her."

going the independent route has involved backbreaking labor, a fact
difranco does not regret. "i'm not much for vacations," she says. "recording
an album is my idea of a vacation." in the beginning she crusied around
the country in her 1969 volkswagen beetle and called it touring, even
though for the first few years it was only her, selling her tapes as she
traveled. "people see music as a means to an end - get a record deal, tour,
get famous - but i see it more as a process," says the singer. "it's just
what i do."

born in buffalo, ny, in 1970, difranco started performing in bars at the
ripe old age of 9. she left home when she was 15 ("my whole family blew
apart," she says, in a way that doesn't invite further questions) and
started writing songs. at 20, she recorded her first album and has been
touring and recording nonstop ever since.

"most mornings i wake up, and i think, 'shit! why do i have to be the
poster girl for independent music?'" difranco admits. "but then, the fame
and fortune thing really isn't me. the people i respect are activists and
political workers, and there are stronger forces pulling on my psyche
than wanting to have a tour bus - like self-respect. i don't think i
could live with myself if i knew i was operating on forces of personal
ambition."

difranco's latest ambition is to expand righteous babe's roster to
include other artists. but true to her own quirky, noncommital path,
the first musician difranco has chosen to produce is not a punky young
rocker, but '60's folksinger utah phillips.

given all of these do-it-yourself anticorporate attitudes, it's no
surprise that difranco doesn't love talking to the press. "interviews
are the bane of my existence," she says, laughing, "but my manager,
scot fisher, has talked some sense into me about it. he convinced me
that if i'm not going to do marketing and advertising - you know,
the whole hype machine - and if i want people to know i exist, i have
to talk to them. my instinct is to avoid it, but the irony of my life is
that i'm against business but i'm running a business at the same time."
she sighs, "i don't know."

the contradictions also apply to difranco's feeling about her sexuality.
her partially shaved hair, pierced nose, and ripped jeans might have been
construed as baby-dyke code a few years ago, and certainly a scan of the
crowd at one of her shows will tell you that lesbians are among her
biggest fans, but difranco herself has continually called herself "whatever."
tell her that this will be interpreted as bisexuality, and she says,
"e-e-ew - that sounds like something they make you do to frogs in the
sixth grade!" the gay press in particular has hounded her on this point.
"i'm sorry that i can only be what i am," she says. "i've fallen for girls
hard and boys hard." she sighs deeply, clearly having been asked this
question one too many times.

"the thing is, people draw this line," she continues, "and they want you
to be on one side or the other. so, if i had to say anything, i'd say
i'm standing on the line." difranco pauses, then adds, "but if i'm
standing on the line, how am i supposed to dance around?"

one gets the feeling from difranco that even if her lust is for men,
her intellectual and political alliance remains with women. "why do people
try to pin me down?" she asks. "isn't the goal to be able to say, 'it
doesn't fucking matter'?"

true to form, difranco doesn't seem overly concerned about her future.
"oh, god," she moans, "the future? i'm more worried about what i'm doing
tonight." she hems and haws a bit over the question but finally says, "ok,
this is going to sound corny, but my worst nightmare is being exactly
where i am right now, and my biggest dream is to be exactly where i am
right now. i love my life, and i'm fulfilled, and yet..." she trails
off, laughing at herself for a minute. "my favorite thing is not knowing
following your instincts," she concludes. "i'm not a long-range-plan
kind of babe."

nancy humphries
nancy@rbdc.rbdc.com

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>
> in the 4/30 issue of "the advocate" is an interview with ani difranco.
>
> (reprinted without permission)
>
> super girl - singer-songwriter ani defranco smashes sexual, musical,
> and corporate rules to create a success story all her own
>
> by guinevere turner
>
> ..... article deleted ....

the irony is i had just put "imperfectly" into the cd player 3 minutes
before nancy transcribed this (thank you!).

reading articles like this or the amy ray letter to the editor
(southern voice wasn't it) is just a reminder how cool these people
are and why i like their music so much. no hidden agendas, just
honesty, simplicity, and a reflection of who these people really are.

one thing did tweak my "annoyance bone" though, ms. turner's constant
use of "lesbian rock artist," especially in contrast to ani's
"whatever" view towards her sexuality. *shrug* oh well, the battle
continues.

looking forward to the day we'll all say "whatever,"

chris

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i listen mostly in the woods whilst counting trees.
(the music helps block out those annoying nature sounds
*shudder*:) just kidding ...no really, i love nature :)

caution : one must be carefull not to crank it up
too loud on the old walkman during bee season..
more that once i have stood on ground wasps nests
without knowing...till it was too late (ooowww) :(

and i have very vivid memories of where i was
when i was listening to them...( as in... ig)
rop will allways remind me of giant sitka spruces
(78" dbh [diameter @ breast height]. veeeery large,)
...especially r&j because i had to keep rewinding it
and listening to it over and over
and over.

so takes me back to the doug fir stands in trout lake, wash
dancing on logs and singing at the top of my lungs to the critters
and the bugs.
(and my partner who could hear me 20 acres away :)
ttfn
claire
"jonas and ezekial hear me now..ow !...ow, ow, ow, aaaahhhh !"
from ..."the bee ballet"

i'm sorry, but i forgot to save the posting with the dates/times for the
family channel performance. would someone be so kind as to either post
them to the list again or email them to me directly. thank you.
rick

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32 words/phrases heard in ig songs that you'd never hear
garth brooks use.

upper echalons                  chickenman
alphabet of feeling             median cats
theif                           basking in the exploits
swamp ophelia                   cypress moon
mediocrity                      pop emotion
inspired by gravity             zion
melodrama                       consecrated martyr
sceptor                         captured in stain glass
narcissus                       devil prophets
ethnic echos                    sejarez
prostrate                       earthly burdens
gluttons for our doom           cancer of my intellect
unmarked paths of misdirection  galieleo
fish white belly                rasputin
nuclear annihilation            achilles
apathy                          eclipsed

too much time on my hands

"....all that we need is to meet in the middle of impossibility"
-amy ray

good afternoon y'all from cold rainy massachusetts...
i'm actually hoping that some of you kind list members could help me out
a bit.  i'm writing a paper for my literary criticism class on the play
_oleanna_, by david mamet, and the lack of communication and true understanding
that saturates the play.  anyway, i would really like to begin the paper
with an ig quote, if there are any, about misunderstanding, or the idea
of speaking on one level when the true meaning is something completely
different.  any kind souls out there have any ideas??  feel free to respond
directly to me at sharney@smith.smith.edu :)
thanks to everyone!
have a wonderful, wonderful, ig filled day :)
sue

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subject:      little igc-nc representation please!

where are all the north carolinians?!
i know there are some lurking around out there!  well i am
finally going to speak up and give my state some recognition.
yes there is at least one ig lover from nc!  everyone else
speak up!
i would add my bio to the list, but i don't think it would be very
interesting.  i will ask this: are there any other vegetarian,
episcopalian, german-speaking ig fans out there?
i really liked the fanboy story, and hope that the girls get the whole
moo-thing.  i know that melissa etheridge heard about the me listers'
bowling shirts, so maybe the girls have followed this moo thread.
have fun, everyone going to no!
moo!    jen

hi, y'all! i have decided to come out briefly from my lurker status long
enough to add
my $.02 (i'm also procrastinating from writing a paper).
that was a good idea, trinket! it made me laugh =)
more words/phrases garth would never use:

pain from pearls                        futility
demons of your desire               dividing life into factions...
swollen street                            prodigal daughter
paper tigers                               self-infatuation (ha!)
pierce my spirit                          pocket of truth

absolute distinction                    gypsies, queers, and david's star
treacherous gain                        land of canaan
virginia woolf                            profound
milk of human kindness              mercenaries of the shrine
bowery to the brimstone              between the reservation and the
corporate bank
negligent vendors                        hovel
shiny little trinkets (hey, trinket, there's one i'm surprised you missed =))
conscientious objection               devil monkey
reincarnation (he would say "over a couple of beers", though)
squandered                                 the president has no good idea...

i'm surprised garthie hasn't tried to claim rights to "nashville" and
"southland in the
springtime" =)
btw, it was emily who wrote "...all that we need is to meet in the middle of
impossibility" not amy.
ok, i'll go back to lurking now. <ducks before the tomatoes can hit her>
peace, y'all,
carrie
(indigopony@aol.com)

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ok, i've checked my local cable guide (nashville, tn) and ig are not on the family
channel evening lineup on any of the advertised dates. :( in fact, on april 17th,
700 club will be airing at the time the ig concert is supposedly being aired. grrrr!!!
anyone else out there checked their cable guides?
peace and no pat robertson,

joan :)

p.s. -- actually, when i first heard they were gonna be on the family channel,
i figured it was a joke, being that pat robertson (the channel's founder) is
such a widely noted homophobe...

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joan writes:
p.s. -- actually, when i first heard they were gonna be on the family channel,
i figured it was a joke, being that pat robertson (the channel's founder) is
such a widely noted homophobe...

my thoughts exactly!!!!!!!!!! i tuned in the other night (14th) and found much
to my disappointment...columbo was on instead. :p ack!!
my tv guide doesn't say anything about it. :(
not that it matters now. the cable has been out for a day already!! :)
rick
(row 18, seat 11)

s i x t e e n

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hi y'all!

well, about 16 days from now i will be standing at the front of the
stage screaming "moo! moo!" and dancing my butt off! how about you??

so, how many folks are goint to the may 2 show??

has anyone made a banner or anything??

a hint for those of you who are going to jazz fest for the first
time.. get to the ig stage very early... it will be *very* crowded..
last show of the night.. big draw...

i reallly hope i get i chance to meet some of you.. i feel like i
have been getting to know a lot of you through this list...

are any of you still interested in meeting at the cafe dumond
thursday night after the show??

peace y'all
'
'
dan perkins
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tour guide to the obvious
'
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their gonna re arrange my molecules
some natuaral laws will have to bend
to get me from the shallow end of the
gene pool"
-emily kaitz

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  can anyone tell me if the concert in no is sold out?  i feel like
it most likely is.  if so, does anyone know of any tickets for sale?
i appreciate any info.
        thanks,
        derek shroyer

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on tue, 16 apr 1996, dan perkins wrote:
> so, how many folks are goint to the may 2 show??
>
> has anyone made a banner or anything??

i plan to make a banner and hold it up (with the help of friends, of
course!!) near the ig jazzfest stage on may 2 and at the may 4 show at
uno too (as close to the front as possible, i guess...). if anyone else
had their heart set on making the banner, please let me know--i just
volunteered because i wasn't sure if anyone else was or not. doesn't
matter to me, just so we have one! :)

i think it'll be a white banner that will say "folkisgruven!" in the
middle and "moo!" in one or two of the corners. something like that. i
base that on the ideas y'all were tossing around this last month or
so, on t-shirts, banners, etc. those two sayings seem to be among the
most popular suggestions....so that's what i decided to go with.

tamara (i think!) suggested that we all sign the banner and somethow try
to get it to a & e, which i think is a terrific idea.

> are any of you still interested in meeting at the cafe dumond
> thursday night after the show??

great idea....could we all just agree on this as a "meet-up spot" for
after the thursday show? all in favor, please show your support with a
big hearty "moo!"

dan, could you post info. on where cafe dumond is located? if you did this
already, could you re-post it? thanks!

what about meeting up before the uno show on may 4?? any ideas?
let's decide on a restaurant or pub near uno to meet in!!

cheers,

christine :)

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subject:      nigc-who's from wyoming? anyone? i need help.

hi, i'll make this quick!
   a friend of mine really wants to move to wyoming but is having
a hard time getting any info on the state. if any of you out there
are from this great state and willing to help him out could you
please e-mail me back?
     thanks a bunch!
                    sharon

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may 2nd i'm there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :) :) hopefully some of you will be showing
up at the stage early too because i'd hate to be all alone!!! :) :)
i'm planning on making my way right up to the front so that emily can see my moo
t-shirt and say it again. <g>
:)
rick

s i x t e e n !

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at 08:10 am 4/16/96 -0700, kim fischer wrote:

>hey all... if we're still following the "song a day" thread... then today
>must be cedar tree day... and me, i've got absolutely no stories attached to
>it, nor any insightful thoughts as to its meaning. i'm hoping someone out
>there in ig list land does + will provide an interesting post....

a couple of days ago someone on the list, i can't recall who and i don't
have the message anymore, posted a very eloquent message about cedar tree,
and how the song symbolized a feeling of closure for the emotional journey
that rites of passage sends the listener on. to me, that said it all.

whoever that was, i think its worth repeating...

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>where are all the north carolinians?!
i'm not a real ncian but i go to duke.  so i am a temporary employee...(i guess)
in real life i live in colorado, but i am half-pakistani and i was born and
raised in saudi arabia where i lived until two years ago.  i really have no
clue where i'm from, i'm sort of a vagrant mutt.  if you can figure it out,
add me to the survey, or you can make a miscellaneous category and i guess
that's meeeeeee.

swim amber
isn't it great- ig across the sea...??

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moo y'all!

all right for those of y'all going to the may 2 show and wanting to
meet after the show.. here is some info. on cafe dumonde

http://www.cafedumonde.com/

you can call us toll-free anytime at 1-800-772-2927 for customer
service. our address is cafe du monde, 1039 decatur street, new
orleans, la 70116, usa

if you have never been to new orleans, decatur street is right in the
french quarter and within walking distance of bourbon street..

cafe dumonde has an outdoor patio, so if the weather is nice it's a
wonderful place to sit, drink coffee, and watch the people..

what would you all think of meeting at cafe dumonde thursday may 2 at
around 8:30 - 9:00pm.. that gives us all about enough time to get
from the parade grounds to the french quarter...

so, what do you think??

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i go to school in nc... does that count? -mandy

on tue, 16 apr 1996, temporary employee #2 wrote:

> where are all the north carolinians?!
>  i know there are some lurking around out there!  well i am
>  finally going to speak up and give my state some recognition.
>  yes there is at least one ig lover from nc!  everyone else
>  speak up!
> i would add my bio to the list, but i don't think it would be very
> interesting.  i will ask this: are there any other vegetarian,
> episcopalian, german-speaking ig fans out there?
> i really liked the fanboy story, and hope that the girls get the whole
> moo-thing.  i know that melissa etheridge heard about the me listers'
> bowling shirts, so maybe the girls have followed this moo thread.
> have fun, everyone going to no!
> moo!    jen
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dear all-

per jen hall....

>don't forget y'all....may 2nd - - cafe du monde after the show !!!!
first round is on dan perkins!!!

jen was just kidding. you see she offered to share the cost of the
first round between both her and dan.

wait till they find out that my first beer requests starts at 64 oz.
(tee-hee, just kidding).

see you all there (row 10, seat 10)

melissa

:) hey ya'll...just read the advocate interview with ani difranco & since i know
there are a zillion people on this list who love her, i was wondering if you'd
know how i can get her cd's- i mean, if she has her own label- will her stuff be
available in most stores? am i gonna have to hunt? should i call rainy day (or
visit next week when i'm in georgia!!)?
any help is muy appreciated.
thanks!!!!!!!!!
rick
(the artist formerly known as fanboy) ;)

  **i have lived in the darkness for so long i am waitin' for the light to
shine*
*what is this love that keeps me coming back for more when it'll only end in
misery?* s machlachlan
  **the sun goes dim/and the moon's turned black/for i loved him/and he didn't
  love back** dorothy parker

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i've been kind of busy lately, so i don't know if anyone has told this
story....

during the rop tour, the girls closed with cedar tree and then chickenman.
before the song, amy said it was about going into the woods near her home,
and finding a graveyard built by a man who had buried his wives there. (
geez, amy sure has a fixation with death, doesn't she?)

angie in kc

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someone's tag said:

>"....all that we need is to meet in the middle of impossibility"
>-amy ray
bzzzzz! - emily saliers - mystery

that incorrect quote costs you jen hall's 9th row ticket (no-i have no idea
if jen hall has any relation to the quote - just liked her seat at the show)
;) so i can dream - right?

where you listen to ig? ...on the way to the office, at the office, on the
way to teach eves., on the way home, at home, on the road to
austin......hmmm maybe should listen to them on the way to analysis to talk
about why i listen to them... (g)

>i really liked the fanboy story, and hope that the girls get the whole
>moo-thing. have fun, everyone going to no!
>moo! jen

i got a kick out of the fanboy story too. i'm glad we'll be able to
recognize each other at the shows. and i am still going to make my shirt
this weekend. (gotta plan man, gotta plan)

thought of a fab t-shirt (imho) but i'm probably not artistic enough to
create it (or really unable to spend the time i guess). the teddy bear
(someone's idea on the list) riding a cow jumping over the moon, against a
backdrop of galileo's stars - with of course - the moo!

its fiesta in sa starting this weekend. for those of you who aren't
familiar with it - its sort of the after easter version of mardi gras - a
week long city wide party with parades, festivals, and bands. major partying
with friends, grazing in herds, recovering in droves. (oh my. must also
discuss the cattle focus with the therapist...) definitely a must do at
least once kind of event.
nothing compared to the fun we're looking at for jazzfest and ig concert. yeah!

waiting on jazzfest and moo!ing at y'all,

karen

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subject:      yes, virginia, ig was on the family channel
in-reply-to:  message of wed, 17 apr 1996 00:08:09 -0400 from <listserv@netspace

about 2 years ago, while at my grandmother's and idly flipping through
channels, i caught ig doing a video show/interview type thing. . .on the family
channel.  emily was being all nice to the interviewer, and amy was kinda
leaning against a wall in the background, sulking.  surprised the hell out of
me.
   chew on that one for awhile.
                               a lurker

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so, i'm here to announce this:::

the new and improved **radar rose** website...

prepare yourself for the unexpected in a band website..
like what??

well.. color, lots of it... and orignal artwork.. and .. a message and 5
hearts to back that message up..

go check this out::

http://www.mindspring.com/~water/rose.html

*smile*
brooke.

"if you're afraid of the dark.. remember the night rainbow.."

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mooo and fit like !!

     hope that all you *lucky* people who are going to the no festival will
     remember all those *unlucky* people (ie me !!) who won't be there :((
     and post some reviews to the list after the event.  it makes me want
     to stop reading my ig mail cos its sooooo depressing hearing about how
     excited you all are :..((

     <sigh> anyway, have a great time on the 2nd ! (and the 4th) btw, any
     news about the newport festival ??  are they going to be there ????
     <she says in a hopeful voice>.  i plan to come over to the states this
     summer (to either see igs or melissa, which ever works out best) so
     any info on the newport festival would be gratefully received.

ciao

gail

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i noticed that too. she also as a fixation w/ wounds, souls and fire. i
wonder if it has something to do w/ those cats she saw burnt to death?
rosie

at 12:02 am 4/17/96 -0400, you wrote:
>i've been kind of busy lately, so i don't know if anyone has told this
>story....
>
>during the rop tour, the girls closed with  cedar tree and then chickenman.
>before the song, amy said it was about going into the woods near her home,
>and finding a graveyard built by a man who had buried his wives there.   (
>geez, amy sure has a fixation with death, doesn't she?)
>
>angie in kc
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why did it surprise the hell out of you? because amy was sulking, or
because they were on tfc?
rosie

at 12:33 am 4/17/96 cdt, you wrote:
>about 2 years ago, while at my grandmother's and idly flipping through
>channels, i caught ig doing a video show/interview type thing. . .on the family
>channel.  emily was being all nice to the interviewer, and amy was kinda
>leaning against a wall in the background, sulking.  surprised the hell out of
>me.
>   chew on that one for awhile.
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ok, you guys got me... i'm glad you enjoyed my garth list
and yes i know i credited my sig to the wrong person...
you should ban me from the list forever for this transgression =)
i'm a horrible ig fan... bad.. bad :)

happy day all

"....all that we need is to meet in the middle of impossibility"
-ig

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16 days !!! yes yes yes !!! sent in my request for vacation yesterday !!
the car got a tune up & new brakes !!! saving that cash !!! can't wait !!
yippee !!

>> so, how many folks are going to the may 2 show??

jen raises her hand with a 13 year olds excitement...

>>are any of you still interested in meeting at the cafe dumond
>>thursday night after the show??

yes.  actually, i was looking at our "visit louisiana" book this morning,
and the cafe du monde is listed as an attraction...not as a restaurant.
that's interesting.  there is also a cafe du monde web site if anyone is
interested.  looks like a great place.  plus, they are open 24 hrs. a day,
so there's no worry about getting there too late.

won't we all be a site... homeade t-shirts w/ moo all over it. hey, we
should yell over to a & e to come also. wouldn't we just shit if they did
show up?!?!

anyway, is there anyone else staying at the motel 8 ( or is it hotel 8 ?? )
in slidell?  that's where the hubby and i are staying.
what are all you doing on friday & saturday?  i think we are going to the
aquarium and zoo, then i saw a civil war museum that i'm sure we'll be
visiting too < yawn >.  what attractions shouldn't we miss??

moo and all that ig stuff,
- jen hall
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hi y'all!

well, about 16 days from now i will be standing at the front of the
stage screaming "moo! moo!" and dancing my butt off! how about you??

so, how many folks are goint to the may 2 show??

has anyone made a banner or anything??

a hint for those of you who are going to jazz fest for the first
time.. get to the ig stage very early... it will be *very* crowded..
last show of the night.. big draw...

i reallly hope i get i chance to meet some of you.. i feel like i
have been getting to know a lot of you through this list...

are any of you still interested in meeting at the cafe dumond
thursday night after the show??

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hey folks,

i just got off the phone with the newport visitor information line
(1-800-326-6030 x123) and they gave me the update on things.

  not much we didn't know already.  nff will be saturday and sunday
august 10 and 11 (and jude h., not friday the 9 =)).  the line-up
will not be released until mid-may and no marketing (i.e. www pages)
will take place before that happens.  tickets will go on sale in june.

i mentioned that there was a rather large following that would like
to see a www site up when it was deemed appropriate, we'll see what
happens.

if you can't wait may for information about housing, etc. call the
visitor line and tell them you are looking for housing that weekend.
they may not be able to give you the lineup, but they were very polite
to me and interested in the publicity (i mentioned the list when i
mentioned the www site). they probably have a list of places to stay
in the ft. addams area.

-- chris

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yea, here in houston too. i mean, the 700 club is religoius, and i guess
that they could be so exited about the nojf that they are showing ig in
england. but i doubt it.

what about other folks?? has anyone actually seen it? what is the deal?

moo,
- jen hall
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ok, i've checked my local cable guide (nashville, tn) and ig are not on the
family
channel evening lineup on any of the advertised dates. :( in fact, on
april 17th,
700 club will be airing at the time the ig concert is supposedly being
aired. grrrr!!!
anyone else out there checked their cable guides?
peace and no pat robertson,

joan :)

p.s. -- actually, when i first heard they were gonna be on the family
channel,
i figured it was a joke, being that pat robertson (the channel's founder)
is
such a widely noted homophobe...

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djs wrote:
>
> why did it surprise the hell out of you?  because amy was sulking, or
> because they were on tfc?
> rosie
>
> at 12:33 am 4/17/96 cdt, you wrote:
> >about 2 years ago, while at my grandmother's and idly flipping through
> >channels, i caught ig doing a video show/interview type thing. . .on the family
> >channel.  emily was being all nice to the interviewer, and amy was kinda
> >leaning against a wall in the background, sulking.  surprised the hell out of
> >me.
> >   chew on that one for awhile.
> >                               a lurker

i too might like to say: what is the big deal that the igs were on the family channel?
their music gives very positive introspective messages. unlike tori amos. now that woould be a
shocker to see.

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hey melissa...you're still paying for dinner though, right?

moo,
- jen hall
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dear all-

per jen hall....

>don't forget y'all....may 2nd - - cafe du monde after the show !!!!
first round is on dan perkins!!!

jen was just kidding. you see she offered to share the cost of the
first round between both her and dan.

wait till they find out that my first beer requests starts at 64 oz.
(tee-hee, just kidding).

see you all there (row 10, seat 10)

melissa

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okay i'll delurk chalk up another on for washington
jeni

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hi, everyone, my nome is jay and i'm new to the list. i've
been reading for about three days now, and i have several questions.
first: what is nff?
second: i have heard that there is supposed to be a folk concert
this summer in rhode island at which a&e are supposed to perform.
can anyone enlighten me as to what the date of the concert is?

thanks,
jay

maybe i'm making this up, but i seem to remember amy saying something
about a native american tradition in which a man, when his wife died,
would take her body to a certain part of the land and plant a cedar tree
where he buried her so that she would feed the earth and live on in a
sense. i'm usually wrong, though, so feel free to correct me on my
misunderstandings... but even if i did make it up, i think it's a
beautiful idea.
-julie

""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
"somehow
          somehow                     @--.-'-->-'--
                  somehow
                          you make me believe"
                                        -melissa ferrick
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is anyone who is so privaleged, lucky, etc. enough to go to the no
fest planning on taping the event.  i am really depressed that i have
finals and am on the verge of suicide (not really but skipping finals
has come to mind).  anyways, if someone plans on taping the ig show,
could you let me know and i will do just about anything for the tape.
almost anything!
thanks for listening-
desperatley looking for a way to be in two places at one!
(jj in chicago)
p.s. is anyone interested in taking my finals for me and letting me
go to the show in there place. (excuse me while i duck)  i thought it
would never hurt to try!

"i wish i were a trinity, so that if i lost a part of me, i'd still
have two of the same to live" -emily sailers

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to all of you all who are lucky enough to be in the presence of amy and
emily in a few weeks, please please make us some recordings.... those of
us who have to work, go to school, save money and basically who are too far
from new orleans to get to the concert will love you forever for some
bootlegs.
have fun and moo to all of you lucky ones... say hi to the girls
for us. and hello to you all from cold, snowy utah.
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-amy ray

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and one more for california.

cindy
at 09:00 am 4/17/96 -0700, jeni saulino wrote:
>okay i'll delurk chalk up another on for washington
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i would like to reiterate the request for bootlegs. i will be making
some myself in august when i go to the folk festival in rhode island, so
i am willing to negotiate with anyone who can't get up to new england, but can get
down to louisiana, we can trade. oh, yeah, and right now i have absolutely
no bootlegs at all, so if anyone is either willing to send me a copy of
one, or tell me where i can get one i will be forever greatfull.

thanks,
jay.........

>during the rop tour, the girls closed with cedar tree and then chickenman.
>before the song, amy said it was about going into the woods near her home,
>and finding a graveyard built by a man who had buried his wives there. (
>geez, amy sure has a fixation with death, doesn't she?)

>angie in kc

yes, amy does have a fixation with death, as you may gather from her
music (or watching the watershed video).  however, when i saw her during
that tour, she said it was in ohio.  apparently the early pioneers had a
tradition of burying a cedar tree (because of its strength and long
life) in memory of their lost wife.  she came across this one sight
where she said there were 5 trees in a row, and that made her think
about committment and relationships, which is what she wrote the song
about.
rick

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hellooooooo again,

     thanx to everyone who mailed me about newport....now another question
     for y'all - how does someone from scotland (or elsewhere outwith the
     u.s.) get hold of tickets for newport ?  does one :

        1. phone ticketmaster in the states
        2. get someone from the list to purchase on my behalf
        3. forget it - its far too difficult (hopefully not this option !)

     i know that its way, way in the future but the logistics of getting to
     the states, getting tickets and getting accommodation is already
     starting to scare the shit out of me.

any way, please help me if you can !!

ttfn

gail

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        thanks for all the mails welcoming me to the list! everybody here is so
friendly! i told one of my sisters yesterday that i joined the list and she
was unspeakably jealous, but i did promise to take her to newport
to make up for it. does anyone have any information on how to get tickets
and how much they are? i have two sisters and a few of their freinds who
desperately want to go to the nff.....
                                                thanks,
                                                        jay.......

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what about alanis morrisette on the family channel? that would probably
lead pat robertson to jim jones himself...

say, that idea sounds better and better...

--mike

hey y'all!

would anyone be so kind as to mail me info about the festival...
like dates...how to get tickets...who else is playing besides the indigo
girls...etc..!
i would be very grateful!

-jan

janice@chopin.udel.edu

is there no earth jam this year??

-jan

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howdy all!

i picked up a paper today to check out what the tv listings said about
the fam. channel at 10 and it said the 700 club. unless they were wrong
my guess is we are all going to be watching and taping that rather than
the girls. hopefully the paper is wrong!!!

-deb
doobie@student.umass.edu

it is my guess that some miss-guided soul is going through mailing list like the
indigo girls and melissa etheridge and posting the air time of the 700 club as
being the artist of interest in the hopes of gaining converts.

given falwel's and robertson's active anti-gay stance, this sort of juvenile prank
is not beyond reason. they may have even instigated it.

of course, i'm probably just paranoid, but ig on fam (formerly c.b.n.) does seem a bit much.

trant

>
> howdy all!
>
> i picked up a paper today to check out what the tv listings said about
> the fam. channel at 10 and it said the 700 club.  unless they were wrong
> my guess is we are all going to be watching and taping that rather than
> the girls.  hopefully the paper is wrong!!!
>
> -deb
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dear dan:

>....if you have never been to new orleans, decatur street is right
in the french quarter and within walking distance of bourbon street..

cafe dumonde has an outdoor patio, so if the weather is nice it's a
wonderful place to sit, drink coffee, and watch the people..

what would you all think of meeting at cafe dumonde thursday may 2 at
around 8:30 - 9:00pm.. that gives us all about enough time to get
from the parade grounds to the french quarter...

so, what do you think??....>

dan, sounds good to me.

melissa

per jen hall... >hey melissa...you're still paying for dinner though,
right?

just to set the record straight.....

drinks: jen hall & dan perkins

appetizers: tba

dinner: melissa gordon (ha! ha! i intend to hire the marine corp
to guard my american express that night)

dessert: tba

good times & entertainment: everyone who joins in on the progressive
fun.

regards & i look forward to seeing everyone,

melissa
row 10, seat 10

hi folks !

besides ig related stuff, iw has articles on the bejing
declaration of indigenous women, the south american
indigenous womens conference, and reviews and
articles on native musicians and artists. i highly recomend
not only picking up this issue but subscribing to it !
[iwn p.o. box 174, lake elmo, mn 55042] ($10 us
$10.65 mn/ $20.00 outside us) what a deal !

and while i'm on a soap box, i'd like (again) to urge all of us who
enjoy the wonderful free ig boots we share with each other
to send the amount it would cost us to buy the tapes in a store to
the good folks at honor the earth. that would be a good thing :)

okay, i'm done.
peace man !
claire

"now i hear talking about the constitution and the rights of man. i comes
up and takes a hold of the constitution. it looks mighty big, and i feels
for my rights, but they ain't there. then i say, god, what ails this
constitution ? he says to me, " sojourner, there is a little weasle in
it."'
(sojourner truth)

trant wrote:

>it is my guess that some miss-guided soul is going through mailing list
like the
>indigo girls and melissa etheridge and posting the air time of the 700 club as
>being the artist of interest in the hopes of gaining converts.
>
>given falwel's and robertson's active anti-gay stance, this sort of
juvenile prank
>is not beyond reason. they may have even instigated it.

when i posted the times and channel for the ig special it was not a prank.
i was told by a friend of mine that it would be on according to his cable
guide. i then checked out the guide myself and it was exactly as listed.
why it was in the book but wasn't broadcasted, i don't know. i was just
passing on some information that i thought (because of where i got it from)
was legit and the other listmembers would be interested in.

pat

like i said, i'm probably just parinoid.

i'm sorry,
trant

>
> when i posted the times and channel for the ig special it was not a prank.
> i was told by a friend of mine that it would be on according to his cable
> guide.  i then checked out the guide myself and it was exactly as listed.
> why it was in the book but wasn't broadcasted, i don't know.  i was just
> passing on some information that i thought (because of where i got it from)
> was legit and the other listmembers would be interested in.
>
> pat
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ok, i may be way off, but i thought i remembered reading a post saying that
ig were going to be on the family channel in england, not the us. but,
who knows, i could just be having hallucinations again...

lesley

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ohhh, melissa you're behind us!!! row 9 - - - seats 13 / 14. i have
beter seats...i have better seats...i have better seats... naa naa naa

but i must say, you've got it a bit incorrect melissa..

drinks: dan perkins

dinner: melissa gordon

entertainment: jen hall after a few mudslides

moo,
- jen hall
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original text
from m gordon <hdtx97a@prodigy.com>, on 4/17/96 4:21 pm:
to: <indigo-girls@netspace.org>

per jen hall... >hey melissa...you're still paying for dinner though,
right?

just to set the record straight.....

drinks: jen hall & dan perkins

appetizers: tba

dinner: melissa gordon (ha! ha! i intend to hire the marine corp
to guard my american express that night)

dessert: tba

good times & entertainment: everyone who joins in on the progressive
fun.

regards & i look forward to seeing everyone,

melissa
row 10, seat 10

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"how long 'til my soul gets it right?" ig

yes.

i listen to the ig just about everywhere, but my favorite places are in my
car, working out, and cranking it at home - especially when i am practicing
my guitar with one of their songs.

marian who thinks listening to ig is great anywhere.

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subject:      ig on fam channel...secret plot??? (g)

ya know, i was reading my latest digest edition and thinking "hmmm...knowing pat
robertson & co., this could be some kind of trick to lure us into watching 700
club and thus, saving our souls (which are very strong, in reality)...when i
came upon trant's message!  this proved to me that i'm really not cynical, just
aware of the kind of shennanigans that the radical right sometimes resorts to to
get their message across.  i think i'll tune in for a couple of minutes, just
out of curiosity to see if there just so happens to be a "let's save the homosexuals"
theme or something.(ggg)  pat robertson is such an annoying little twit, btw, isn't
he?

peace and moo!

joan :)

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my mom is sooooo jealous that we're going to cafe du monde- it's the first thing
she mentioned to me when i told her about new orleans- apparently they serve
some sort of doughnut thing? anyway, her friend told her about it!!
i told her it's her own fault for not accepting my offer to go!!!!
i mean, sheesh- i was gonna pay & everything- all she had to do was drive!!!
;)
rick
the amazingly geeky fanboy

f i f t e e n !

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              actually i've changed the subject a bit. nigc)

on wed, 17 apr 1996, fred welter <fbw5184@nstia1.nsti.tec.tn.us> wrote:

>their music gives very positive introspective messages. unlike tori amos. now
that woould be a
>shocker to see.

speaking of tori...did anybody else see the joan osborne interview in
"details"??

details: presumably you won't be breast-feeding a pig in the name of art?
joan: depends on his personality.

:)
they also asked her whom she felt the most affinity with: joan baez, joan
armatrading, joan collins, or joan of arc... her answer:

"in general, joan armatrading. joan baez is a little too much of the
taking-it-all-too-seriously school for me. and i'd say the same for joan of
arc."

:) :)
rick
too much time on his hands. ;)
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:) also, from those of us who are going and won't be taping...:)
rick

on wed, 17 apr 1996, corinne simpson <corinne.simpson@m.cc.utah.edu> wrote:
>to all of you all who are lucky enough to be in the presence of amy and
>emily in a few weeks, please please make us some recordings.... those of
>us who have to work, go to school, save money and basically who are too far
>from new orleans to get to the concert will love you forever for some
>bootlegs.
>        have fun and moo to all of you lucky ones... say hi to the girls
>for us.  and hello to you all from cold, snowy utah.
>----
>corinne----
>----
>"and i drove out of there with no one behind me, feeling funny and free"
>-amy ray
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:) okay, soooooo now my question would be...what's the address for rainy day
records so i can stop by next week?? :)
thanks!
rick
(who's actually locked in his room listening to ace of base right now. i
probably shouldn't have admitted to that, huh? ;)

        i'm cleaning out my closets and moving, and decided to sell my
stuff from the 1992 rites of passage tour, including:
        laminated rop all area access pass: this is imprinted with my name
(sorry)- it was actually used for the midwest leg of the tour; the back of
the rop pass is stickered with an all-access pass to the gerard mchugh
show at club metro, chicago.
        also: laminated access pass to the june 1992 ig show at the
chicago theater- front has a drawing of the chicago theater on which the
marquee reads "indigo girls june 20 and 22 sold out." back has a history
of the theater.
        both of the above are on the original lanyard.
        also, i'll throw in a pre-release cassette copy of rop- j-card
has the title, song order, and the notice "(p) 1992 sony music
entertainment inc. demonstration copy- not for sale." no credits, photos
or anything else.

        please email me directly with an offer- offers submitted to the
list will not be considered. (since i'm not subscribed to the list!)
        also, the top 5 offers will be notified of the high bid, auction
style. (mercenary, eh?)
        and of course, discretion is assured.
        thanks!
-chris

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on 17 apr 96 at 16:04, rbsayre@interserv.com wrote:

> my mom is sooooo jealous that we're going to cafe du monde- it's the first thing
> she mentioned to me when i told her about new orleans- apparently they serve
> some sort of doughnut thing?

bignets!!! yummmmmm..... bignets and a mocha latte....bignets, moche
latte and thou'all....could one ask for more?? well, yea...bignets,
moche latte, thou'all and amy & emily!!

anyway, her friend told her about it!!

> i told her it's her own fault for not accepting my offer to go!!!!
> i mean, sheesh- i was gonna pay & everything- all she had to do was drive!!!

rick, rush mom to the doctor right away! i think she must be having
delusions or something!
> ;)
> rick

> the amazingly geeky fanboy
>
> f i f t e e n !
>
>
>   **i have lived in the darkness for so long i am waitin' for the light to
> shine*
> *what is this love that keeps me coming back for more when it'll only end in
> misery?* s machlachlan
>   **the sun goes dim/and the moon's turned black/for i loved him/and he didn't
>   love back** dorothy parker
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peace y'all
'
'
dan perkins
post-episodic clairvoyant
tour guide to the obvious
'
'
"their gonna give me a dna transplant
their gonna re arrange my molecules
some natuaral laws will have to bend
to get me from the shallow end of the
gene pool"
   -emily kaitz

oh my gosh!!! i cannot believe how much mail comes on this list! mor
than forty messages today and still 4 hours to go (in this part of the
world).

i'm an internet consultant for a living and i am on and run a variety of
lists, none of them generate this much traffic. actually most of the
others combined don't generate this much! most of the time these are the
most interesting messages though!

just needed to whine 'cause my mailbox is too full,
gary

gary j lapointe
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how do i explain to clients that society believes buying a
rock (of cocaine) is three or four times as bad as raping a woman?
-- robert jakovitch, broward (fl) assistant public defender

link 'o the week - http://hera.life.uiuc.edu/rock.html

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subject:      new orleans

    another cool place to go in no is the crescent city brewhouse.
it's an excellent brewpub.  great beer & good food.  nice atmosphere.
i was just there last weekend for a convention.  hope to see you down
there!
        derek shroyer

*adopts serious demeanour*

hi.

i realised tonight that after three years of indigo
in my life the most fundamentally important question
has as yet remained unanswered.

and as i only have but a few weeks before i must say
my goodbyes, then i feel i have to speak now.

yes, mention has been made of their birthdays, their
middle names, their pets, cars and (whisper it
quietly) their other halves. even their favourite
muppet is common knowledge.

but what we all are secretly wanting to know, but
don't dare ask. the subconcious question on all our
hearts. the one piece of knowledge needed to make all
of our lives that little bit more complete is...

*drum roll*

do amy and emily have innies or outties??

we should be told.

@}--,--'---

fyi aimee mann has a very cute innie. which started
me off on this...besides, it's late...my funny goes
when it's late...

gary, you thought you had it bad? i've gotten over 90 messages
today, the bulk of which has come from this list!!
i've been thinking about this for a while now, and i have to say something
about the 700 club issue. i hope that those ultra-conservative morons
didn't actually perpetuate a rumor that there was going to be an ig concert
tonight just to preach to all of us "sinners" who listen to them.
it just goes to show that believeing sometihng simply because a book
written by men who were bred in a bigoted society, and re-written by
more powerfull men in even more bigoted society;s may not be such a good idea.
what i believe is just what i have come to identify with so much in amy and
emily's music, and that is that human beings are all connected on a very
profound level, and that we must respect that connection, lest
we lose our own humanity......

" that's just my opinion, i could be wrong."
- dennis miller

jay.........

well...

i know that whatever the song of the day is, it isn't ttr.  but, i was
just listening to my rochester boot from nadyne (i lost your email
address but thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!) and i loved the version of ttr.  may i
indulge myself by relaying some thoughts related to this piece?  thanks!

first, as much as i love emily's writing, i couldn't help but think that
one huge difference in their styles is the economy of amy's work.  she
almost never uses a word or phrase with only one meaning or
interpretation.  i'll go out on a limb and say that none of her songs can
be interpreted one way (maybe that's a challenge for the die hard fans
out there?) only.  i think this difference is an asset for both artists.
while amy gets so much out of so few words, a true gift, emily has an
incredible talent for the turn of a phrase, evoking vivid images and
relating in some way to everyone.

so....it's a fish white belly, a lump in my [the] throat...white skin of
a sick and dying, starving victim, lump in the throat of the
viewer/speaker....razor on a wire (razorwire fences), skin and bones,
piss and blood...etc.

this train is bound for glory...see, this is what i mean! (well, duh,
that's why we like her...i know i'm being obtuse...)
this train is carrying my brothers, my sisters, my teachers, dancers,
builders...to death, to heaven, to their destiny, to the nazi idea of
"glory" (genocide). how many meanings can one find in that chorus?

measure the bones, count the face, pull out the teeth, do you belong to
the human race? --dehumanize in order to make torture and murder into
state policy
doctor, doctor, are you unkind? --imagine what a physician or nurse or
any professional trained to "do no harm" (nonmaleficence) would have to
deny or rationalize in order to remain sane and serve the nazi party.
and then "do you shock the monkey..." really reveals what this song is
about: not just anti-semitism or even the holocaust, which as we know
involved a number of underrepresented populations (or undesirable,
according th the reich), but imperialism, the corruption and imbalance of
power, the savagry we perpetuate every day against other people and
inhabitants of this earth (animals).

cover our eyes with clear blue skies: i don't know about you, but i get
the image of people who disapprove of what is happening lying on their
backs in a grave with dirt shovelled over their eyes, looking up at clear
blue skies.

this train don't carry my brothers, don't carry my sisters, don't carry
my fathers, don't carry my mothers...these people aren't my people that i
am sending off to die, they aren't people at all, otherwise i will lose
the grip of sanity that allows me to send them to death...or, other kinds
of denial, or ...? any number of possibilities.

i have to add that for a few months after i got this cd (spring 94) i
skipped past the last track, and not because this is such a disturbing
piece of music but because of the music box at the end of it. a
brilliant, chilling touch.

btw, another thing i was thinking about was...okay, 1200 shows in 10
years (roughly), maybe 20 songs per show, give or take...what do they
have to do to keep these songs fresh and singable?  i mean, they end so
many shows with ctf (i'm sure the "singalong" helps out with getting
through it...but they've been singing it for 10 years!)  by my count,
including covers, their albums alone (these are: indigo girls, strange
fire, nomads indians saints, rites of passage, back on the bus y'all,
swamp ophelia, 4.5, power of two single, and 1200 curfews...i might have
missed some tracks off other stuff i don't have...and i didn't include
other covers they do at shows like uncle john's band, finlandia, no way
to treat a friend...) i count 62 songs, maybe they do 30 or so
covers/unrecorded ig songs, etc....obviously other bands have this kind
of repertoire, or even more, and bands like the rolling stones tour for
20 years.  but who can do such an intense repertoire, with so much
emotional import, so well for so long?  has anyone out there been to a
lame ig concert?  i think not.  (but all things are possible).  isn't
this incredible to anyone else?  speaking as a musician (at least i like
to call myself one) this is quite a feat.  ooops, let me back up change
the statement "other covers they do at shows like uncle john'a band..."
etc. to covers and ig songs before i get violently corrected!!!!!  whew.

anyway, we've been talking so much about no and amy's birthday and other
fun stuff...and i've enjoyed it, believe me...but i havn't heard much
about actual songs for a long time, so that's my $1.50 worth. that
should last me the rest of the year, by my calculations...but of course
it won't.

agh! this is long, so i'm outta here! --gwen

hi friends,

more ig words garth would never use:

1) talent

2) fan appreciation

sorry, tonight i feel like that "viper" em spoke about in ghost.

annie

evening y'all...

just lil ol me lookin' around wondering if any of the lovely new englanders
are going down to no. :( i *had* a ride, and i have a ticket...but all of
a sudden i'm rideless and probably gonna have to sell my ticket (sorry mooch)

so if my some miracle there's a new englander driving down with an extra
space in the car, drop me a line, okay??

*sob*sob*sniff*sniff*

sue

<---- begin forwarded message ---->
from: "benjamin k. smith" <bksmith@panther.bsc.edu>
subject: re: 16 days and counting
to: rbsayre@interserv.com
date: wed, 17 apr 96 18:22:24 cdt

>
> my mom is sooooo jealous that we're going to cafe du monde- it's the first
thing
> she mentioned to me when i told her about new orleans- apparently they serve
> some sort of doughnut thing? anyway, her friend told her about it!!
> i told her it's her own fault for not accepting my offer to go!!!!
> i mean, sheesh- i was gonna pay & everything- all she had to do was drive!!!
> ;)
> rick
> the amazingly geeky fanboy
>
>
yes,
the cafe du monde has wonderful french donuts called beignets
which they are famous for.  in fact, it's the only food they serve!
i cannot wait until the 4th.  unfortunately, i will only be seeing
the may 4 show because i have some major tests on the 2nd and 3rd
that i cannot miss!  i am in sec b seat 4, so i'm not on the floor.
are there any more plans on meeting up after the may 4 concert?
i will be staying in the le meridien hotel on canal st.  i think it
would be great if we could all get together after the concert.
somebody needs to organize a plan as to what/when/where.
can't wait to see y'all!

moo,
ben

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on wed, 17 apr 1996, dan perkins <d.perkin@access.texas.gov> wrote:
>on 17 apr 96 at 16:04, rbsayre@interserv.com wrote:
>
>> i told her it's her own fault for not accepting my offer to go!!!!
>> i mean, sheesh- i was gonna pay & everything- all she had to do was drive!!!
>
>rick, rush mom to the doctor right away! i think she must be having
>delusions or something!

no way!! more bignets for me! ;)
rick

*the next time i fall
next time i fall
i'm gonna have to recall
that it isn't love
it isn't love
it's only
something
new* emily saliers

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on wed, 17 apr 1996, gary <gary@ah3.cal.msu.edu> wrote:

>i'm an internet consultant for a living and i am on and run a variety of
>lists, none of them generate this much traffic. actually most of the
>others combined don't generate this much! most of the time these are the
>most interesting messages though!

yes, we rule!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i'm sorry. i think i had a wayne and garth moment there.
rick
(who needs to get a life considering the number of posts that are showing up
with my name on them. ahem. i shall now shut up. i think. unless i find
something else to respond to. ;)

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ok, i have a minor bone to pick. i know i sent in my bio, maybe it didn't
get to the whole list or something, but there are two people from alabama
on the list, unless the other left the list. anyway, just wanted to say
that there are more albamians out there. and if my bio didn't get through
and anyone wants to find out about my incredibly interesting life, i'll
repost it. thanks yall
jenn

mail ?
i'm hardly getting any :( i don't even know if the mail i send
is going !!! this is giving me the heebie jeebies.......will
somebody please give that stinkin' aol server a good smack
for me ?
this is very sucky...must have more mail.
claire
(sorry to take up space but i feel like i'm drftin' without a rope
....or something like that :(
i hope this one makes it !

twb@zycor.lgc.com wrote:
>
> it is my guess that some miss-guided soul is going through mailing list like the
> indigo girls and melissa etheridge and posting the air time of the 700 club as
> being the artist of interest in the hopes of gaining converts.

it's kind of funny to read this thread and to watch how words get twisted. if i am
correct, it was stated that the igs were suppose to be on the family channel not
the 700 club. i understand that pat robertson runs the fam channel but it doesnt
mean that they will be on the 700 club. i also believe that the person who
orginally posted the message made a mistake. now, he or she (i can't remember)
must have meant "the disney channel".

> given falwel's and robertson's active anti-gay stance, this sort of juvenile
> prank is not beyond reason. they may have even instigated it.

i have been a fan of the igs for a long time now. and i've bought and thought i
read every about them, now please tell me where amy and emily stated that they are
gay or one of them is gay. not that it matters to me, but i would like to know if
this is factual or an assumption.

fred welter

personal information
web site: http://nstia1.nsti.tec.tn.us/~fbw5184/home.html
email: fbw5184@nstia1.nsti.tec.tn.us

ok, add another alabamian to the tally.

but let the record also show that i am an auburn fan!!!!!

war eagle!!!!
martha

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at 09:57 pm 4/17/96 -0400, jennifer durant wrote:
>...there are two people from alabama on the list, unless the other left the
>list. anyway, just wanted to say that there are more albamians out there.

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        as to have friends at a distance; they make
        the latitudes and longitudes."
                                henry david thoreau

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okay y'all,

it seems that:

1. the family channel had planned to show the ig concert. ("it's in their
schedule," say reliable list members as they stare at the thing.)

2. the family channel appears to have _changed_its_mind_ for some
reason. ("the 700 club is on instead," say reliable list members
as they stare at the tv in abject disappointment.)

why is this such a confusing concept? ;) perhaps we just want to be sure
that we're not being big goofyheads and that somewhere, somehow, the ig
concert is being shown and we _could_ be taping it except that we've
tragically misinterpreted the posts so we're missing out...

peace to you, fellow ig listers. yea, verily, there shall come a day
when the concert is broadcast again, and we shall find it, and it shall
indeed be good. therefore, sigh not so, but let it go, and be you blithe
and bonny, convering all your sounds of woe into "hey nonny nonny." ;)

peace, love, and much ado about nothing,

scotty

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@!#%$&*!
sorry everybody about the mess that i sent to the list yesterday.  it
was actually a very long list of questions and comments, but the font
was screwed up.  i had no idea it would look like that.  i'll try
again.
jen
"how long 'til my soul gets it right?"  ig

i have noticed that this song of the day thing doesn't happen on a regular
basis...i am somewhat new here...but if we do it today does that mean
that today we talk about "fugitive"? or should i just go back to
lurking?
sharon

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on wed, 17 apr 1996 indigogwls@aol.com wrote:

>       more ig words garth would never use:
>
>                  1) talent
>
>                  2) fan appreciation

leaving aside the question of talent, i think you do have to give the man
credit for appreciating his fans.  his tickets for the detroit area shows
went on sale saturday; all tickets were $18 (not including the ticketmaster
fee which was an outrageous $3.50).  in addition, he added shows so that
as long as there were people in line, they got tickets.  it seemed from
the information we were given that he had a fairly active role in how
those tickets were sold to accomodate the most people with the least
inconvenience.  and i think the ticket price says plenty about his
appreciation of his fans.

karra
(indifferent to garth musically, but respecting his dedication to his fans)

ok, jen shamed me into it - i'm an nc native. my dad's family is from nc's
outer banks, but i'm currently living in winston-salem

nancy humphries
nancy@rbdc.rbdc.com

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subject:      happy birthday!!!  (april 18, 1996)
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happy birthday andrea and gracia!!!

"...no way construction of this tricky plan was built by other than a greater
hand with a love that passes all our understanding watching closely over the
journey..."

"...and the town is illumined, its tiny figures are fast asleep
and it dawns on me the time is upon me
to return to the flock i must keep..."

birthday folks:
aflesch@mail.millikin.edu (andrea)
afn15104@afn.org (gracia)
the wood song
history of us
* :) *

        been swamped with lots of junk this past week (leadmill boot,
school, work, etc.) and forgot whether anyone was offering copies of color
me grey or blue food.  i saw it being bounced around last week, but already
trashed the posts.  if any one is still offering, i would appreciate it if
you let me know.

jeremy

deadline for the leadmill boot is tomorrow! get your replies in under the
wire! all tapes need to be postmarked by mon. 4/22!

hi folks !

i just got my copy of indigenous woman magazine from
the good people at honor the earth. it's a great magazine !
this issue is very focused on the hte tour and has a
real nice tour journal by winona laduke and articles by
amy and emily (from some group called the indigo girls).
a & e's pieces are great ! emily has a very interesting
writing style...this is the first time i've read anything by
her that wasn't a song.

besides ig related stuff, iw has articles on the bejing
womens conference, the south american
indigenous womens conference, and reviews and
articles on native musicians and artists. i highly recomend
not only picking up this issue but subscribing to it !
[iwn p.o. box 174, lake elmo, mn 55042] ($10 us
$10.65 mn/ $20.00 outside us) what a deal !

but wait ! i'm not done !!!! to those of us in washington state !!
please support the skokomish peoples fight to recover the north fork
skokomish river from the city of tacoma, who wiped out the north
fork skok river (and the salmon there) in the '20s with the dam at
lake cushman. they will be publishing info soon (it's not ready yet)
and for now urge folks to write slade gorton and norm dicks to
express support for the skokomish peoples fight to get their river back !
(not only that but now i hear that some yahoo wants to float the
water from the cushman dam to the middle east to sell it !*sheesh*
i think it's interesting that the media chose to cover that stupid story
and not the fact that the river actually belongs to the skokomish tribe)
skokomish : people of the river

okay, i'm done.
peace man !
claire

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it's entirely possible that cbn cooked up the idea of ig being on the
network to lure us in. on the other hand, i can't imagine pat robertson
being quite that wily. the poor guy probably doesn't want to hear about
things he considers sinful, so there's a good chance he has never heard
of ig to begin with.

i hear you on the interconnectedness thing...it seems to me that whatever
they identify themselves as religiously, a and e are being far more
christian than ol' pat...making us all feel like we are part of the samer
family, rather than stirring up fights and making some feel like they
are worth less than others.

and this comes from someone who believes in jesus to boot...

--mike

hey all!

i've already done the footwork for going to newport in august. the cheapest
bet by a long shot ($56 a night for two)is the motel 6 [(401)848-0600] about
three miles from the fest site. everything else was running $125 and up to
the sky... the really nasty thing about the nff is that rooms fill up
lickety split for this weekend. if you're going, and can't afford to part
with your firstborn child...do it now! they won't ask for any $ if you don't
want to guarantee late arrival - just a name and telephone number. of
course, the ig aren't absolutely, positively confirmed yet, so you'd be
going out on a limb if you bought airplane tickets like i already have...but
me and my gal are going to provincetown and boston for ten days after the
fest any way. (i can hear you all salivating now!)

share your toys,

amy

>date: thu, 18 apr 1996 11:52:29 -0500 (cdt)
>from: shroyer  derek <dshroyer@nursing.ua.edu>
>x-from: "shroyer, derek" <dshroyer@nursing.ua.edu>
>subject: alabama
>to: jedurant@vassar.edu
>organization: the capstone college of nursing
>priority: normal
>
>    i'm another alabamian on the list.  did you count me?
>                derek shroyer
>

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subject:      joanna gerstelle, please email me! (nigc)

sorry ya'll, i know you're sick of me losing email addresses.

please email me joanna...i have no clue what you want me to dub for you!

susan :)
smarine@cc.colorado.edu

smarine@cc.colorado.edu

        i beliefve that the ig's are lesbians. when i was origianally
introduced to them by my freind lisa up in buffalo (galilieo, by the way.....)
she told me that they were, and she's probably the biggest fan of them i've
ever come in contact with. in fact, i kinda got the impression that amy and michelle had had a relationship in the past that hadn't worked out. check
out your cd cover of the original ig release and look to the last page where
amy and emily have the people they are thanking. amy says something like:
"and thanks to michelle, even though......" this just always gave me
the impression that they had had a relationship. that, and i've always had
the impression that they had had a relationship. that, and i've always had
the imopression that "land of cannan," and "world falls," were about
the two of them. but i could be reading more into this than i should........
anyone else have any impressions about this topic? i realize it's probably against
the rules to discuss it, so please accept my apology if this is the case.
                                        later,
                                                jay...........

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sorry everyone, i've been forgetting to put subject lines on my
posts. the last one was the last time it'll happen!! thanks for reminding
me deb......
jay..........

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subject:      holet rooms and tickets

does anybody have any ise how much tickets are for the nff concert?
i have a sinking suspicion that i'll have to wear that phony plastic smile
working at sears for the whole summer just to pay for the trip (sigh).
$56 dollars a night for three nights with about twelve people going.
but everbody else on the list probably already picked up the phone and dialed
newport by the time i've finished tipying this letter......
jay

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alright, before anyone gets angry at me for my eaarlier post and starts mailing me....i apologize for talking about a&e's personal life on the
list. i had no intention of offending anyone, so please forgive the newest
list member if you can find it in your hearts everyone.
jay

at 02:00 pm 04/18/1996 -0400, you wrote:
> i beliefve that the ig's are lesbians. when i was origianally
>introduced to them by my freind lisa up in buffalo (galilieo, by the way.....)

uhhum... read the faqs whether they're lesbians or martians is none
of our business...

"....all that we need is to meet in the middle of impossibility"
-ig

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              apr 18, 96 2:16 pm

>
> does anybody have any ise how much tickets are for the nff concert?
> i have a sinking suspicion that i'll have to wear that phony plastic smile
> working at sears for the whole summer just to pay for the trip (sigh).
> $56 dollars a night for three nights with about twelve people going.
> but everbody else on the list probably already picked up the phone and dialed
> newport by the time i've finished tipying this letter......
> jay
>

ticket prices were not announced when i called the newport visitor's
center (that number again 1-800-326-6030 x123). tickets will be on
sale in june and no marketing is planned before mid-may.

however, i seem to remember last year were about $30 a day with a 2
day ticket package for about $50. you have to buy that over a month
before the event though.

expect things to be about the same this year.

-- chris

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date:         thu, 18 apr 1996 14:31:59 -0400
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i've been on the list for quite a while but have only posted once. i
thought i would tell you all a little about myself...

name: molly marie gilmore

nickname: hoots (why? i have no clue!)

d.o.b- 9/29/76 anxiously awaiting my 21st b-day

hometown: i was born in rochester, n.y.,(i did attend the show at r.i.t
right before the release if so, i loved it!) i am now finishing my sophmore
year of college at suny oswego

what i do for money: beg mom and dad

best friend: my incredible identical twin sister(her name is colleen),
and she does love a&e as much as i do.

pets: none, you can't have animals in the dorm. but i have a puppy
hannah at home, i can only see her on breaks.

fav muscians: a&e, of course, tori amos, sarah mclachlan, ani, melissa,
joni mitchell

fav hobbie: singing at the bars here in oswego.  i do not get paid but i
love it.  when i do galileo, everyone flips out, they sing along, and
jam out.  i do it for fun (and to get other poeple into ig).

i suppose that's all...
sorry that i bored everyone, just felt like talking about myself. if
there is anyone on the list from rochester, e-mail me!
-hoots

it seems like i've shaken up the mix slightly by leaving motel info for
newport. please e-mail me if your going to newport and let me know where
you're staying. i'm volunteering to be some sort of "function coordinator"
for all listers that are going and want to meet for whatever.

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subject:      indicated iii tape inserts sent out

on monday, i sent out copies of the tape inserts to the indicated iii tape
tree volunteers so, if you requested a copy of indicated iii, you should be
receiving it soon!

rob

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here are my big clues:
1. they have been featured in the advocate as lesbian rockers.
2. read the liner note in 1200c about love's recovery (amy's
contribution). that is undeniably written from personal experience.
3. numerous mention of a& cooper (i think that's her name)
4. countless opportunities to discount the rumor if it was not true (that
is, if they cared....and i know if i were them i probably wouldn't care
even if it wasn't true)

that's just what comes to the top of my head. ummm, i seem to remember
some mention in an interview or something about them dealing with coming
out together when they were in school, but maybe i'm making that up.
maybe i'm wrong about this whole thing but i don't think so. --gwen

on thu, 18 apr 1996, jason m. chmielecki (chmielja@nhc.edu) wrote:

>         i beliefve that the ig's are lesbians. when i was origianally
> introduced to them by my freind lisa up in buffalo (galilieo, by the way.....)
> she told me that they were, and she's probably the biggest fan of them i've
> ever come in contact with. in fact, i kinda got the impression that amy and michelle had had a relationship in the past that hadn't worked out. check
> out your cd cover of the original ig release and look to the last page where
> amy and emily have the people they are thanking. amy says something like:
> "and thanks to michelle, even though......" this just always gave me
> the impression that they had had a relationship. that, and i've always had
> the impression that they had had a relationship. that, and i've always had
> the imopression that "land of cannan," and "world falls," were about
> the two of them. but i could be reading more into this than i should........
> anyone else have any impressions about this topic? i realize it's probably against
> the rules to discuss it, so please accept my apology if this is the case.
>                                         later,
>                                                 jay...........
>
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i don't understand what the big deal is.  someone asked a question, some
of us tried to answer it.  of course it's none of our business, but
either is what they do on their birthdays, what they did together in
high school, or anything else unless they make it our business.  we talk
about all of this stuff anyway because we admire them.  my impression has
always been that they are proud to be recognized as active, strong and
involved lesbian women.  but you're right, it's none of our business.  --gwen

on thu, 18 apr 1996 trinket@tfsksu.net wrote:

> at 02:00 pm 04/18/1996 -0400, you wrote:
> >        i beliefve that the ig's are lesbians. when i was origianally
> >introduced to them by my freind lisa up in buffalo (galilieo, by the way.....)
>
>
> uhhum... read the faqs  whether they're lesbians or martians is none
> of our business...
>
>
>
>
> "....all that we need is to meet in the middle of impossibility"
> -ig
>
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subject:      my so-called bio

here's my bio:

name: peter c. followill

dob: april 9, 1975 (just turned the big 21)

birthplace: columbus, georgia

education: emory university (finishing up junior year)

hobbies: classical guitar (music major here at emory), electric guitar
(play in local trio called food that pleases), listening to music,
ornithology and the outdoors (aka birdwatching)

status: desperately single (i'm not going to lie to you)

favorite groups: ig, widespread panic, rem, phish, john coltrane,
charlie christian, grateful dead

that's about it.
-pete

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
"it's a concept of music.  it's a concept of life.  it means lobster eggs
and ointment.  it means basically to suck, yeah, basically to suck.  it's
hard to define.  see, our main ambition in life, aside from growing a
bosom on top of our heads, is to die on-stage.  when we die on-stage,
that will be when we ultimately reach grease."
                                                -hampton grease band

peter followill-> pfollow@emory.edu-> emory university-> atlanta,ga
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

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  i've been reading the posts today from confused ig fans wanting to
know various things about a&e. i don't think it's fair to jump all over
anyone for asking the "lesbian question" although it is a tired subject-
i don't see where this line we are drawing over personal info is...after
all, the gay thing was all over the media, in interviews, in album liner
notes, etc.
    how about we just relax a little here?
    for anyone who is curious about a&e and wants to see what's what
there is a great site on the net-i don't have the address but it's
the lifeblood page and it has tons of articles from 1985 to 1995,
including interviews, reviews, and even articles written by amy over
subjects besides music.
    there, said my piece! hope i didn't annoy anyone too much here!
                                  sharon

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subject:      fan tour - newport folk festival

i have begun making plans for the newport folk festival fan tour.  i need to
get an ideas of how many people are interested in participating and what kind
of package we are interested in.  i have spoken to a few hotels in newport
and their prices are out of this world.  $225 and up.  i am going to try to
get a group rate of around $120-160 per night.  i am also going to arrange
transportation to and from the hotel and the concert site as well as tickets.
i figure if people can get everything settled at once it will be best.  i may
also try to arrnge something with a local deli or restaurant to get coolers
packed with food to take into the park.  the reason for this is that the food
that is sold at the park is expensive and of average quality at best.

e-mail me asap to let me know if you are interested and what your financial
situation is.  i am currently estimating the cost of tickets, transportation,
and hotel to be around $250 per person, but it could be more or less
depending on the hotel arrangements.  i will probably have to go with a hotel
outside of newport because everything in newport will be too expensive.  the
above estimate is based upon three nights in a hotel, tickets for two days,
and the estimated cost of a bus to take us to the concert and back on both
days.  when you e-mail me, let me know what you are budgeting for yourself
for this weekend and i can make arrngements based upon the general consensus
of the group.  i look forward to hearing from you.  talk to y'all soon.

let it grow

bert

here's the address for the lifeblood site, for anyone looking for
more info on ig and are afraid to ask...
      http://www.hidwater.com/lifeblood/ig.html
  there are plenty of other great pages that i've stumbled across
but this one has the most variety of info...the articles are great!
                             there you go
                           sharon

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i thought that this forum was not to discuss the love lives of amy and emily.
is their sexual orientation really all that important in light of the
brilliant music that they write? i think that posts such as these is one of
the reasons that this list is viewed negatively. gay or not gay, their music
touches souls.

just a thought......

running and going for cover.................................pooh

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subject:      re: the ultimate unanswered igs question.

i do want to know a lot about a & e, but i can do without knowing the
'innie or outtie' issue. eeks...makes me squirm.

however, i don't remember the "their pet" or "their cars" issues. can
someone dig into the dark relmes of their memories and re-tell the tale of
"the pets" and "the cars"????

is emily a 'cat person' or 'dog person'??? tell me .... tell me...!!
p-p-p-please??
- jen hall
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from neily <ph21nh@surrey.ac.uk>, on 4/18/96 1:16 am:
to: <indigo-girls@netspace.org>

*adopts serious demeanour*

hi.

i realised tonight that after three years of indigo
in my life the most fundamentally important question
has as yet remained unanswered.

and as i only have but a few weeks before i must say
my goodbyes, then i feel i have to speak now.

yes, mention has been made of their birthdays, their
middle names, their pets, cars and (whisper it
quietly) their other halves. even their favourite
muppet is common knowledge.

*drum roll*

do amy and emily have innies or outties??

we should be told.

@}--,--'---

fyi aimee mann has a very cute innie. which started
me off on this...besides, it's late...my funny goes
when it's late...

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i agree completely.  i totally, utterly agree.  but, someone asked a
question, and i tried to answer it to the best of my ability.  that was
all.  i don't really see a problem with asking the question, personally,
although i havn't really felt a burning need to know "the truth" myself,
but i can see how some would be offended.  my intent was never to be
invasive but to answer someone's question.--gwen

on thu, 18 apr 1996 poohgrl816@aol.com wrote:

> i thought that this forum was not to discuss the love lives of amy and emily.
>  is their sexual orientation really all that important in light of the
> brilliant music that they write?  i think that posts such as these is one of
> the reasons that this list is viewed negatively.  gay or not gay, their music
> touches souls.
>
> just a thought......
>
> running and going for cover.................................pooh
>

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subject:      garth and fan appreciation

in defense of garth, i must tell you all that about three years ago, garth
testified before the tennessee house of representatives in favor of a bill that
was pending that would have made ticket scalping illegal. i think
he testified in support of that bill when it was pending before the house
possibly a year or so before that.  he has been very vocal about the issue of
ticket scalping.  i don't care for his music, but i really admire him for that.
he also has a great deal of appreciation for his fans and knows that if it weren't
for them, he wouldn't be in the position he is in.  of course, i guess having a
degree in marketing hasn't hurt him either...(ggg)

btw, the anti-scalping bill has been defeated every time it has been introduced
in the tennessee house. scalping is really a problem here in nashville. scalpers
hire bunches of people to go wait in line and buy up tickets and then sell tickets
to major shows like garth, the eagles, pink floyd, pearl jam, etc. for as much
as $300-$400. i applaud garth for trying to keep his ticket prices affordable
and speaking out publicly against ticket scalpers.

peace and no scalpers,

joan :)

just in case anyone was interested (and quite a few
of you have been...hmmm)

apparently it is thus. i don't know for sure, but
there _is_ only one way to find out...

amy - outtie
emily - innie

therefore emily is the coolest :)

garth brooks. didn't he want a tax on used cd's??
so that if the cd was resold he'd get paid again.
methinks yes :) and i haven't heard a convincing
arguement that that's a good idea. have you??

scalping sucks, but a simple addition to the ticket
conditions of purchace can render prosecution easy...
(i.e they must not be resold without the express
permisson of the establishment. obviously it wouldn't
bother them if i sold mine to a friend, but they could
get scalpers no problem :) it works in this country
anyway...don't know if that bill would bring bigger
penalties...)

just felt the need to share...

@}--,--'---

eeek!, i didn't intend my list of 32 phrases to bash garth whats his name.
i could just as easily have said.... whitney houston, the sex pistols,
boston...whatever.. i only chose garth cuz he's playing here soon and the
entire town is in a tizzy... ok, they're in a tizzy, i could care less, the
igs he is not. but i did hear a rumor somewhere that he's a lesbian :)

"....all that we need is to meet in the middle of impossibility"
-ig

        is staying in a hotel outside newport feasible? because if
it is i am definitely interested in pusuing that conversation. whoever
has info about this mail me:
                                chmielja@nhc.edu
                                                later,
                                                        jay

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subject:      this fan tour revisited

based upon early responses, i decide to make the plan a little more flexible.
you will have the choice of getting a room for 1-3 nights (specify which
nights) as well as whether or not you will need a seat on the bus to and from
the show or not.  as far as the bus goes, i recommend it.  it usually takes
about an hour to get out of the parking lot after a show and that hour will
be much more enjoyable if it is spent in a bus filled with ig fans as opposed
to sitting in a cramped car.  for those of you flying in on friday august 9
and leaving on monday august 12 (which is what i recommend), i am going to
try to arrange some transportation between the airport and the hotel,
although i do not know what the closest airport to newport is.  i would
imagine providence, but i could be wrong.  speaking of providence.  do not
bee fooled into getting a room there.  travel agents might tell you that it
is only 20 miles from newport, but there is a pretty big body of water
between the two cities and the trip become 80 miles unless you can fly or
have access to a speedboat.  keep your responses coming.  i would like to get
as many people as possible involved in this.  talk to y'all soon.

let it grow

bert

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amy and emily are lesbians. no! that's the limit. i'm throwing out all my
ig cd's and picketing the distribution of their music. lesbians, my god! ;)
sorry- but this just struck me funny! had to be a smart ass,
* tomorrow is opening night for my show.wish me luck!*
ben

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subject:      re: garth and bellybuttons...
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oh no! i find outie navels to be really disgusting. really! sorry to
offend any outies out there but it's just one of those things with me i
guess. i guess i can never really be friends with amy now cause i'd be
too grossed out by her navel.
ben

last comment of the day i swear. i've recently discovered
carol king and i think she's really cool. anyone agree?
ben

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is this for real????????????? hellooooooo!

on thu, 18 apr 1996, jason m. chmielecki (chmielja@nhc.edu) wrote:

this is probably against the rules, but i felt i had to put my two cents in.
i've read a lot about people saying that they are. whether they are or
arent, i still love their music. doesnt really matter to me. i want to
direct your attention to what amy wrote about love's recovery in the booklet
of the 1200 curfews album. if you read that, it doesnt really sound like
what everyone seems to think... but that would just be my opinion. plus
whenever i heard their songs i pictured them with, like, guys, male, thats
what the song was saying to me, atleast.
any other thoughts?

at 06:49 pm 4/18/96 -0700, you wrote:
>is this for real????????????? hellooooooo!
>
>on thu, 18 apr 1996, jason m. chmielecki (chmielja@nhc.edu) wrote:
>
>>         i beliefve that the ig's are lesbians. when i was origianally
>> introduced to them by my freind lisa up in buffalo (galilieo, by the
way.....)
>> she told me that they were, and she's probably the biggest fan of them i've
>> ever come in contact with. in fact, i kinda got the impression that amy
and michelle had had a relationship in the past that hadn't worked out. check
>> out your cd cover of the original ig release and look to the last page where
>> amy and emily have the people they are thanking. amy says something like:
>> "and thanks to michelle, even though......" this just always gave me
>> the impression that they had had a relationship. that, and i've always had
>> the impression that they had had a relationship. that, and i've always had
>> the imopression that "land of cannan," and "world falls," were about
>> the two of them. but i could be reading more into this than i should........
>> anyone else have any impressions about this topic? i realize it's
probably against
>> the rules to discuss it, so please accept my apology if this is the case.
>>                                         later,
>>                                                 jay...........
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i'm planning to take a trip up to newport to see ig play at the folk fest.
i would like to know where i can buy the tickets for the day they are
playing, or even for both days. anyone know where i can get them???
thanx
tiff (slugger@prolog.net)

>on thu, 18 apr 1996 poohgrl816@aol.com wrote:
>
>> i thought that this forum was not to discuss the love lives of amy and emily.
>> is their sexual orientation really all that important in light of the
>> brilliant music that they write? i think that posts such as these is one of
>> the reasons that this list is viewed negatively. gay or not gay, their music
>> touches souls.
>> just a thought......
>> running and going for cover.................................pooh

i love the igs music.  it touches my soul, it feeds my mind, it keeps me
aware of my morality or something basically fundamental, like we all have
the right to be ourselves as long as it doesn't really negatively affect
others' right to be themselves.  (i.e. - rapists are uncool since they are
invasive of others' space and rights without consent)
     i don't feel that i have the right to ask about their private world -
they give so much to us with the sharing of their music - that should be
enough. (mystery just came on the cd player - perfect song for this moment)
if they want to be blue then that's their choice and i don't care.  the
music is precious. i can easily imagine one of them getting ticked about
people being invasive and one day just closing the door on their music in
order to get some privacy.  i'd rather it wasn't due to us on the list.  i
agree with pooh.
     the preceding comments were meant to inform rather than criticize the
newbies.  all thoughts presented are my own and do not necessarily reflect
the attitudes and thoughts of the rest of the ig list members.

waiting on jazzfest and moo!ing at y'all,

karen

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um, sorry...12-hour day at work...are we discussing garth brooks' bellybutton?
i'm afraid.
:)
ben!! break a leg at your opening!!!

rick

f o u r t e e n

didnt mean to scare you...

i've had some big email problems, so i just wanted to go ahead and post my
address for everyone on my tree that wants a copy of neily's tape!

here it is: (no bomb, please!)

jan stevens
14145 n 92nd st # 2128
scottsdale, az 85260

i lost all email from about the past week, so if you emailed and i never
responded, dont worry, just send the sase and the 90 min. tape to me!

have a great day!
jan

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subject:      garth and used cds

i'm not sure whether garth was advocating a tax on used cds - i really can't
remember, but his idea was that it bordered on piracy or something.  you know,
someone decides they want to purchase a particular cd, so rather than going to
a traditional record store and purchasing the cd brand new, they go to a used cd
store and purchase it, thus denying the artist a mechanical royalty, and more
importantly, the songwriter his/her songwriting royalties.  garth's argument was
that this practice really hurt the struggling songwriter and/or artist.  it really
doesn't hurt someone as big as him, because he's got enough money that he would
never miss the lost royalties.  but for artists on indie labels without a lot
of resources, or lesser known songwriter/artists on major labels, or those with
small cult followings, they depend on royalties for a significant part of their
income and whenever someone goes into a used cd store and purchases a cd, it
means lost income for that artist.  garth has a good point, really - if you look
at it from the songwriter/artist's standpoint (especially one that's struggling
to stay afloat).  when i first heard about it, i was like "oh yes, he concerned
'cause he has a vested interest in selling cds."  but the more i read about it,
the more i agreed that he has a valid point.  btw, i kind of think selling
your used cds can be a good thing--i think of it as music recycling...(g)

peace and moo,

joan :)

sorry to send to entire list, but i haven't received anything for a couple of
days and i was wondering if i was the only one having problems. if there have
been digests or messages sent out for 4/18 and 4/17 could someone please send
them to me? i would be most appreciative.

marian

dianne/tuesday's child, are you still out there? if so i need your email
address ;) thanks>>rachel :)

if anyone knows their email address..... please email me.

marianne

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on thu, 18 apr 1996 trinket@tfsksu.net wrote:

okay, so i'm relatively new to the list and i already get the idea that
this isn't the first time this topic has come up, but i wanna say
something here - basically my take on the politics of being out. i
believe that when a public figure comes out publically then it's public
info. and yes, each of the ig have come out as lesbians to the media.

from an interview called, glastonbury 95 live, on the lifeblood site:
interviewer: "how have you found that things have changed since you 'came
out' publicly...?"
e: "...i didn't expect it to be as liberating as it really was, you
know?  for a long time amy wanted to talk about it, was fine with it, and
i had to go through my own issues about it.  some of them were fear, and
some of them were i didn't want the focus to be on sexuality you know,
and hopefully one day it won't be, you know.  but more than anything, it's
just been liberating.  and a lot of people have come up and said 'thank
you'...  and if i'd realised that earlier... you know i would have made
the decision, but you come to your decisions for a reason and at a
certain time and in your own development.  and i'm so glad.  i'm so glad
about it."
a: "we've had a lot of straight people come up and say thanks too...
i've had people coming up to thank me who've had kids hanging all over
them, who were heterosexual, and they're like 'we're proud of you, and we
thank you because.. like, my brother is,' or i'm part of this
organization, and someone did something.. and it's really great."

in a letter to the editor of the southern voice, 8/30/94, also from the
lifeblood site, amy writes;
        "during the last 6 1/2 years of my current relationship, i have
not once considered myself 'in the closet.' before 1987 i can honestly
say that i was sometimes uncertain where i stood and had a lot of
growing to do.  since 1987, i have not struggled with the closet;
i have struggled with how to be a gay activist and also a musician,
without becoming know only by my sexual orientation.  for me,
everyone i meet, everyone i love, and my whole being expose themselves
through my art.  how could i ever deny what i am?"...
        "my feelings that sovo was not sincerely interested in
supporting our music as much as our sexual preference led me to avoid the
newspaper.  i felt like a commodity.  part of furthering our cause as a
gay population is the promotion of our accomplishments.  if i am a
struggling gay teenager, it means more to me to read about the dreams and
achievements of a gay artist or business person than to read a whole
article detailing their personal life.  in the past six or seven years i
have felt so comfortable with my sexuality that i never thought of
dwelling on it.  however, as our struggle to gain equal rights continues,
i feel a need to emphasize my politics whenever possible."
        "you can bet i will honor the publications that have supported me
during my own honest and very public evolution.  my family has overcome
prejudice and fear, my friends have listened patiently, my record label
and manager have supported me unconditionally, i am blessed with a
musical partner whose honesty is matchless, and i have seen courage
beyond compare.  don't inject this important, beautiful movement with
bitterness, gossip, and petty infighting."

as usual, a & e have said it way better than i could've, but i'd just
like to add a little of my own story. coming out was hard for me
(years and years of trying to convince myself i was straight),
but being out - which is basically just being myself - feels great, and
i'm aware that every single out lesbian and gay man (whether famous or
not) makes my being out easier and helps counter the still-too-prevelant
homophobia.

as far as a & e's privacy, their music means so much to me that i
certainly don't wanna piss them off by invading their privacy or doing
anything that would prevent them from making more music. i try to be
guided by how much they share in the press and not ask for more than
that.

another quote from the glastonbury article:  (the interviewer has asked
about fans and privacy)
e: "i think as long as the barriers of my privacy and my space, those
boundaries aren't crossed, i'm pretty much fine.  if someone shows up at
my house, it pisses me off.  if they write me a letter to my home
address, it makes me mad.  or if people come and hang out at the hotels
or stuff like that... because i feel we give everything we possibly can
while we're performing and after the show, and it's not like we're
suffering through it, but it's... and then there's a place where we have
to retreat and have our own lives, separate from this.  so as long as
those boundaries are maintained... i think our fans are amazing.  really
loyal, supportive, and typically socially conscious and all kinds of good
attributes."
a: "yeah."

if anyone wants to check out the lifeblood site (which i definately
recommend), here's the address:
http://www.hidwater.com/lifeblood

okay, a long version of my .02
peace, y'all!
a+e=ig :)

-donna

happy birthday andrea and gracia!!
"...the prize is always worth the rocky ride..."

birthday folks:
aflesch@mail.millikin.edu (andrea)
afn05104@afn.org (gracia)
i'm sorry that i'm posting this so late. i sent it at 7:30 am on 4-18 and
it's 11:06 pm and i still haven't gotten it yet from the list....

hi everyone,

i was wondering if some europeans have plans to visit the newport festival.
i remember a while ago there was a posting about how far we'll travel to see
the girls. well... guess we will break all records :)

maybe we can work out something together??? if so we have to start making
plans soon!!! and find some nice listy who tells us how to get the tickets!

bye
florine

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date:         fri, 19 apr 1996 03:49:27 edt
reply-to:     amit gandhi <101624.416@compuserve.com>
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subject:      how to alienate someone

ok, if you were in the public eye and expressed very personal feelings and
experiences in some way, and were known to dislike your personal life being
emailed round the world to 1000ish people.... i'm not saying this too well
which is why i'm grateful artists like ig are there to put feelings into words.
i'm sure there's a point at which having your life under a microscope becomes
too much and you say that's all folks, no more music.

there are other artists such as kate bush who simply do not do live shows. ig
give a lot, bit of respect due ?

i don't know where the limit lies but i know what would obviously piss me off.

peace & innies rule ok ( survey time again ? )
amit

so here we go again with the are a&e etc .. and everybody takes offence
because somebody new asked a question. let's not forget what happened a
few short months ago about a certain boot cd somebody saw !! ;-)

let's not also forget that today or yesterday, or maybe tomorrorw is /
was / will be fugitive day.

however my point and i think this is valid is that ig music that falls in
the bracket of love song ( thou' really ig can't be classified ) is not
gender specific and that the listener takes what they want from it. be
that, an initil emotional response, a deep understanding of the lyric or
just a fondness for the tune. i respect a&e for giving us everything ( if
a little cryptically ) that they can and offereing a few words from the
wise. what i find even more remarkable is that the tunes that the write
and the messages there in apply to anyone at any time and the message can
change for any listener at any point in time. now to me that's magic !

keep the above in mind

jules

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subject:      fugitive day?

if today *is* "fugitive" day, then i just wanted to share a couple of
thoughts/feelings i have about this song...

when i first got swamp ophelia, i didn't really pay much attention to it.
(it's easier for me to connect to emily's songs, in terms of her use of
language.) but in the past couple of months, i've "rediscovered" it -- and
it really started to majorly grow on me. i think it's one of the most
powerful love songs i've ever heard ... and i know that i'd just turn into
jelly if anyone ever wrote a song like that for me...

i also think that it's remarkably personal, in a way that's more direct than
most of the ig's songs. i've grown to like this song so much that i've been
hunting around for any bootlegs that feature a live performance of it --
would anyone have a copy that they'd be willing to make a copy of for me? do
they sing it often when performing, or only rarely? i was quite disappointed
when it wasn't included in "1200 curfews."

well -- that's about it. nothing profound, just thought i'd share that this
is a song that really moves me.

anna

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subject:      (nigc) music club - ideas?

a thin horizon of a plan.... (long post warning!!!)

those of you that read my bio may recall that i'm one of those
singer-songwriter types of people. last night i took part in an evening
entitled 'songs from the sirens' - a couple of solo performers, a duo and
myself and my musical partner. great little venue, good crowd of people
turned out and a really friendly atmosphere. (and thanks to those of you who
wished me luck!)

i'm constantly inspired by the power and talent of 'unknown' musicians. the
realisation that everyone has to start somewhere... listening to early ig
boots and knowing what it feels like to play those small clubs when you're
dreaming of bigger and better things...

i go green when i see and hear the evidence of atlanta's cool music scene.
i mean, jcs must have been such a blast to put on... maybe it's an american
thing - p'raps that's why there doesn't seem to be much going on over here -
too much british reserve...it can work though - a few years ago i was
involved in organising a monthly peformance night at a little women's bar -
we used to get 6 -8 performers who rarely got an opportunity to play
elsewhere and we had some really great nights - but alas, the club closed
down. now there are a handful of folk singaround nights going, but they
tend to be the finger-in-your-ear-beardie-weardies brigade - no offense
intended -just not my bag...

for about 2 years i didn't write anything and hardly picked up my guitar -
not sure why exactly - maybe a combination of writers block and embarking on
a demanding career. i do know what made me pick it up again though - a
combination of a supportive partner and some most certainly some divine
inspiration from our em &amy. i have so much to thank them for...

unfortunately there is still a lack of space for 'unknown' artists,
especially with original material, to perform, which leads me to...

...the plan:
i've decided to initiate a monthly club intended to give a platform to
songwriters and musicians in the area, to build a community of musicians and
to celebrate the diversity of contemporary folk-rock.
working title is 'speakez'  (z pronounced the amercian way...)
venue: more than likely the santuary cafe (hove/brighton)  - also a
cybercafe - hmmm... potential for a  live cyberbroadcast perhaps...maybe a
trans-atlantic link-up with some of you guys??

anyway - why am i posting this to the list when 99.9% of you are too far
away to care?

1) i'd really welcome advice from anyone who's had experience of
organising similar events...

2) i'd welcome a better name than speakez... (am i allowed to poach
'folkisgruven'?)

3) i'd also welcome the addresses of other lists where i might be able to
do some publicity or gather some performers...

4) i'd welcome a guest appearance by a&e!! *dream*

so, if you're still reading then thanks for sticking with me this far -
sorry for taking up the bandwidth - just thought some of you guys might be
interested...

watch this cyberspace...

*************
seffy
cod==#
*************

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subject:      nigc(sort of): i'm back!

hello, all!  missed hearing from y'all these past three months.  in
case you didn't know, i've been studying in ghana and haven't had
email access for a while.  i only had room in my bags to bring 1200c
with me, so i've over-played that one a bit.  i have a new
understanding of world falls, though.  "i'm coming home with a stone
strapped to my back."  that about describes my luggage by the end of
the trip.  well, i'm looking forward to catching up on all the news!

anna

"to keep milk from turning sour: keep it in the cow."

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i worked at a retail (not used) music store when this whole controversy
was up in the air. as i recall, garth did later back down on used cd
stroes and while he doesnt per se advocate them, i dont think he is
as against them as he used to be.

i admit that i go to used stores regularly.  for one, aside from
goldmine, they are the only place to get promo only material on
a regualr basis.  i have found 2 copies of the special wood sided
1200 curfews promos at the one in my neighborhood (not for sale,
sorry).  and sometimes i find some stuff i alreayd have and knowis good,
really chepa, like $1-2.  usually i pick them up and pass them on
to peple who will appreicate them but wouldnt sped the money on it.
i try to not buy indie stuff there, precisely for the reasons garth
cited....i want those artists' labels to see the product moving so
they will continue to work with the artists.  those stores are also
the only place to find out of print stuff...i spent a year and a half
looking for an out of print joan armatrading cd ..cant buy this
one at tower or hmv.

it is a tricky issue, yes. but i thik also before garth made noise about
it, poeple didnt realize that buying a cd at a used store deprived
the artist of royalties. and, unforutnately, some people jsut dont care.

amy p.                          /       who holds your hand
pegasus@crl.com                /        when you're alone
                              /
the original photo monk      /                  --patty larkin

this whole random igs-are they lesbians thread...i am sure others will have
things to say but here is what i have to say.

1) this is not a forum to talk about a & e's private lives. its really that
simple. if i were as famous and cool as them (hahahah funny lariss, you're
dreaming) i would *not* want an email list speculating on my private life

2) both amy and emily have come out publically and acknowledge that a very
loyal fan base (lots of whom were queer) helped them get started, but also
feel (and i totally agree) that their music is much more universal than
specifically for a lesbian audience.

(steps off soapbox)

hope i've cleared it all up

-larissa

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subject:      lots of questions, some comments, take 2!

okay, hello everybody once more!
first i want to say "yea to everyone who responded to my query about
north carolinians!"  yes, there are some.
i will probably do this in installments so that i don't use too much
bandwidth in one post.  hopefully this one will look better than the
last, and i can remember what my questions were.
i like the song-a-day idea.  it's been really helpful.  unfortunately
i haven't had the time to read every digest word-for-word, so if i
ask something that's already been discussed, please forgive me.

wm - i don't get the line about the lone coyote.

wf - how can a burning hope turn blues to black?  what is the
significance of the color black?  i'm confused b/c she seems to be
talking about the beauty of the earth, yet she talks about a stone
strapped to her back, and needing comfort etc. to keep life inside
her.   why does she want walking shoes, feathered arms, key to
heaven's gate?  maybe walking shoes for the canyon lands, to walk in
nature and appreciate beauty. but a key to heaven's gate? sounds like
an escape-is it related to her dreams of immortality?

1-2-3 - sounds like someone is in the very "depths of despair," to
quote anne shirley.  she's telling this person to choose life or
death, and saying that life is not easy(nothin's for free).  what is
the wheel of tongues and what does it have to do with finding the
answers?  what does she mean by "pick up sticks and go home?"

komh - very heavy.  yesterday after listening to it, i had to turn it
off and just sit in silence, absorb it, rest.   love and anger as
gods and scars.....this sounds self-destructive, similar to the
beginning of 1-2-3, but for a different reason.  what do you think
"lines crossing into a hand" are?  i have an idea.....okay, i may be
way off on this one: horse drawn on my arm standing for an
addiction=heroine.  maybe too literal?

needle - who is the queen, and why'd she close the door?
cat that's died,band on the run? what?

okay, a break from nis:
tmf - what are they saying in the background?

what's the story behind nashville? i get the idea, but i'm curious
what happened to amy(if i'm allowed to ask this).

bandf - was this written in the same time period as lc? talking
about those 2 flights up.

wood - "that's where i need to go" where? is she saying she has to
experience love and the complexities of it and how to make it
through? why is the wood tired, old or whatever?

oops, i forgot: what is the mercy seat? please help!

reunion: what does she mean by intimate strangers?
it sounds like this is about honesty and responsibility.

someone mentioned that amy has a fixation on death, among other
things, what about rivers?

this is very long, i'll end now, and continue with installment 2
later on.
moo! jen

"how long 'til my soul gets it right?" ig

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subject:      re: fugitive day

someone else wrote (my &%#@*! stupid system occasionaly deletes names - sorry!)
>if today *is* "fugitive" day, then i just wanted to share a couple of
>thoughts/feelings i have about this song...
me, too. its one of my favorite songs - possibly my most favorite.

>but in the past couple of months, i've "rediscovered" it -- and
>it really started to majorly grow on me. i think it's one of the most
>powerful love songs i've ever heard ... and i know that i'd just turn into
>jelly if anyone ever wrote a song like that for me...

its been a "must listen" from the first play of so.  i was stunned by it -
the kind of song that would make me cry if it were written for me. "i love
you, i'm sorry things are the way they are,  and have been the way they've
been, but let's just see where this all can take us in the future,
together." (how's that for a conscise song description?! :-)  i'm in a
quandry about the future of my own long-term relationship (10+ years), and
listening to this song gives me a little more strength on the bad days.  i'm
not sure what will happen, but i know that i've done all that i can do to
make things work.  fugutive makes me smile and cry - its a song about life.

joan (back to lurking, and enjoying the "originals" tape ... neily, is that
you on the song at the end?! :-)

                      joan_ferguson@harvard.edu
            harvard university library preservation office
"instead of loving your enemies,treat your friends a little better."
                      -edgar watson howe (1853-1937)

so here i am... 9amsomethingish trying to figure out why its fugitive
day.  mind you, i'm a quart low on coffee...   do they know its the 19th
are they thinking of tim mcvey or are we all gonna run away from
our responsibilites and become ig roadies?  then it hits me... duhhh
the song.. the song..   imho  this is the strongest bit of amy we've
seen (as a person) since indigo girls - indigo girls  (kidfears, secure
yourself etc.)   she wasnt just humming this little ditty to herself in the
grocery store, its something she feels strongly about.
  btw... if one is an innie and the other an outtie... they could be snaps :)

-where'd i put my coffee cup???

"....all that we need is to meet in the middle of impossibility"
-ig

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subject:      carol king

yes!! ben, i love carol king. did you know that she wote
many, many songs that other artist sang in the 60's and 70's?
the most notable of these was probably james taylor, when he sang
"you've got a friend," and she also wrote "natural woman," for
aretha franklin. check out her album called tapestry, it's really
a good album!! oh, and good luck with your concert!!
jay

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subject:      re: lots of questions, some comments, take 2!
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> why does she want walking shoes, feathered arms, key to
> heaven's gate? maybe walking shoes for the canyon lands, to walk in
> nature and appreciate beauty. but a key to heaven's gate? sounds like
> an escape-is it related to her dreams of immortality?

well, she wishes she were a nomad, indian, or saint. a nomad has
walking shoes, an indian sometimes has feathered arms, and saints
have the key to heaven's gate. that's my thought. as to why she
wishes she were a nomad, indian, or saint, i'm not quite sure.

anna

"to keep milk from turning sour: keep it in the cow."

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subject:      garth:  the lesbian fugitive of no?

just as a recap, and to make sure i didn't miss anything from yesterday,
here's where i think we are so far,

the fugitive, aka garth brooks, covering his outie with a mooo t-shirt,
is hiding out at used record stores and the cafe dumond in no, where mike
is buying him drinks and emily is providing the entertainment, or is it
the other way around?  anyway, he's hiding out because, as we all know,
but don't usually discuss, he is a lesbian, and pat robertson is trying
to save him by deceiving  him into watching the 400 club.  meanwhile the
mainstream sell-out john prine  (oops, that's the dar list) is staying in
a $135 a night hotel room in providence, where he will play wf at nff w/o
ig,mm, or ad (or is it af? or adf?)  ?

wow, this is getting good, much better than melrose place! :)

on a somewhat more serious note, i think a great thing about ig songs is
that the gender of the singer and the other people in the song are
completely open to individual interpretation. i can feel as comfortable
thinking of the meaning of their songs as from me to my wife as any other
combination of people. so their own orientation has nothing to do with
interpreting the music.

i am also fully of the opinion that it is not proper to discuss their
personal lives here, not because it is not public knowledge, but because
it makes the list feel a little seedy.  when members of the list want to
talk about their own personal lives and relationships, that is being open
and connecting, when we choose to talk about the personal details of
someone who is not participating in the discussion, that is gossip. the
line is blurry at best, but i think there is a definite difference
between some of our recent topics {{ such as: conjectures on whether they
are cat people or dog people, questions about whether they have siblings,
discussions on whether they might have had a friend who died in a car
crash (because it shows up in their music) and, yes, whether they are an
innie or an outie (critical to understanding the deep underlying meaning
of their songs) }}, as opposed to  discussions of their sexual
relationships.  i think the last one just clearly doesn't belong on any
music discussion list.   just mho.

peace, love, and moo,

harry a. keates
email: hak@crai.com

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i think that so many of the songs are an objective kind of thing.  boy  you
are full of questions!!  i can give on a literal and real answer though.  the
mercy seat is a direct biblical reference.  in the old testament they had
this thing called the ark of the covenant which was the prescence of god.
there was a seat in front of the ark called the mercy seat.  if you sat
there you would escape god's wrath.  some biblical scholar back me up please.
i am trying to remember things from a not so distant teenage years.

pooh

ok, i see at least two references to blue in some of their songs. i realize
that tangled up in blue is a dylan song, but what about "drowning in blue"
is that the right quote. any ideas on this one?

pooh

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subject:      ig promos and rare stuff for sale! cheap!!

i need some cash and i guess these need to find good homes cuz they have
been collecting dust.

all shipping prices are assumed to be continental united states

records:

one swamp orphelia green vinyl -- never played, autographed (and i remember
paying a bit for this when it came out-- $25 + 5 bucks shipping (it cost
like 4 to ship when i bought it)

cd's
new mongrels -- not dead yet -- 13 +2 dollars for shipping -- out of print
indigo girls -- shades of indigo -- 33+2 dollars shipping -- very reasonable
price!

indigo girls -- days of wine and roses --23 + 2 dollars shipping -- bootleg
cd

indigo girls -- three hits promo -- 22 dollars --shipping included

indigo girls -- least complicated (has touch me fall on the side of the cd
case but really is lc) australian ep- 5 songs --10 + two dollars shipping

indigo girls -- 4.5 uk cd -- greatest hits type thing --20 with shipping
included

indigo girls -- watershed cd (beautiful cover 3 songs) 10 dollars with
shipping included

indigo girls -- galileo single from austria (yes in europe) 10 dollars with
shipping included

indigo girls joking promo -- 7 dollars with shipping included

indigo girls -- i don't wanna talk about it -- 7 dollars with shipping
included

indigo girls -- hammer and a nail promo single -- 7 dollars with shipping
included

all sales will be with us postal money order, frist come first serve, all
mail sent 1st class, this is not an auction, i am selling these at what i
hope are more than fair prices, i have paid actually as much as i am selling
them for.

mike r.

remember oklahoma city -- one year later.

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to indigo girls mailing list:

     if we are going to make distinctions: i do not understand the difference
between discussing whether or not a & e have siblings or friends who died in
car crashes and whether or not they have had a relationship that affected
their lives and songs.  i don't know about you all -- but many of their most
powerful songs are about relationships -- and they have added meaning to me,
as a lesbian, because they are about relationships with other women.  i think
that is important, and there is no reason that amy and emily should be forced
into the closet when they are publicly out -- why can we say that amy and
emily are singers, but not say that they are lesbians, something that they
are not ashamed of and something we should not be ashamed of or uncomfortable
to talk about?  not discussing sexual orientation is just as bad as not
acknowledging it -- and if i recall, it _ does_ reflect discussion of their
songs, as i remember seeing in the liner notes of 1200 curfews, in regards to
love's recovery, in amy's own handwriting:  "it's hard enough to keep a
straight relationship together... imagine being gay. it's a struggle to find
a church, state, or population that recognizes the validity of a gay
marriage.  i don't know what emily was thinking about when she wrote this
song -- but it has always inspired  and empowered me on a community level as
well as a personal one."  there, obviously, the song deals with gay issues.
     as for discussing their personal relationships, well, there is a
difference -- and i agree that shallow gossip about who hooked up with who is
vulgar and not relevant to the song -- but as for discussing sexual
orientation:  it is important.  we cannot force gays and lesbians into the
closet, or ignore gay issues in songs.  that is just enforcing the
conservative messages that we have so went against in the past few days...
homosexuality is wrong and doesn't
exist, so we should ignore it.  of course amy and emily's messages are
universal.  they should be.  but they are also part of a minority, and at
least amy sees fighting for the rights of this minority a very important
issue -- so we should not be ashamed or anything to say that amy and emily
are lesbians.  they aren't.  why should we be?
     lesbian and proud,
     jessie

i think there is a definite difference
> between some of our recent topics {{ such as: conjectures on whether they
> are cat people or dog people, questions about whether they have siblings,
> discussions on whether they might have had a friend who died in a car
> crash (because it shows up in their music) and, yes, whether they are an
> innie or an outie (critical to understanding the deep underlying meaning
> of their songs) }}, as opposed to  discussions of their sexual
> relationships.  i think the last one just clearly doesn't belong on any
> music discussion list.   just mho.
>

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date:         fri, 19 apr 1996 11:38:52 edt
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i think fugitive has become my favorite amy song, moving out strange fire
(a very difficult thing to do).

  the whole song just grabs you.  imagine back to the day you bought
so and ran home to put it in your cd player.  you hear those rich, raw
chords sweep over you, and after the the chords crash amy picks up the
energy but in a underspoken way, "i'm harboring a fugitive..."
culminating in "hide yourself ...... for me.  all for me," with almost
no other instrumentation.

then emily (here-to-fore known as "the one that goes 'moo'") joins
in and the tempo picks up "we swore to ourselves we'd go to the end of
the world/ but i got caught up in the whirl, twirl of it all."
althrough the passion builds....leading into the chorus once again.

the music again starts to build in intensity, then falls off ... the
wistful bridge begins:

        " i stood without clothes,
          danced in the sand,
          i was aching with freedom
          and kissing the damned....
          i said remember this is how it should be... "

and then an angry dose of reality (with building intensity):

        " aw... 'baby' i said, 'its all in our hands
          got to learn to respect what we don't understand.
          we are fortunate ones! fortunate ones! i sware!

hide yourself for me , i will hide myself for you.....

all for you"

then back to the wistful thinking with a solo guitar, slowly and
comtemplitively.

its just perfect. it was the perfect opener to the album, the perfect
lead in to least complicated, perfect use of tension, perfect way of
delivering a simple message -- heartfelt and passionate. *smile* i
don't usually gush over a song like this *blush*

for the longest time i never understood the line "got to learn to
respect what we don't understand."  i mean the words are clear but i
immediately flash to contexts of "-isms," which don't fit here.  then
i realized... what amy et al. don't understand is us -- the attention
they get for simply making music.  ok most of you are saying to
yourselves "duh!" and in retrospect so do i, but its amazing how blind
one can be when you don't want to see yourself in a negative light. =)

listening to the girls can be a poor man's therapy =)

take care all,

chris

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date:         fri, 19 apr 1996 11:46:08 -0400
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from:         michael reynolds <asl@gandalf.umcs.maine.edu>
subject:      my quote for my thesis...

i came very very close to the i wish i were a nomad passage from world
falls, and ghost seemed too depressing (i burst into tears watching the ok
city memorial, because a year before my best friend/brother/lover if he or i
were gay, but we weren't so/ the best friend i ever had type thing) died two
years ago today, and the girls dedicated ghost to his memory the first show
of swamp ophelia tour (thanks to you-know-who-you-are.)
but i did finish my thesis and am going to ani defranco tonight..ahh i
hopes she plays a song that didn't make it on to "dilate" called as is, or
opens with amazing grace, anyone see her very recently???? like this week?
any idea as to what she is doing for new stuff, esp. untouchable face and
napoleon, or if she plays going down?

(sorry for the nigc or sounding cryptic, guess that is a problem with having
the new album early)

mike reynolds

hi all.

i delurk and send my first post to the mailing list... how come i feel like
this is a kodak moment? (actually i wanted to say i feel like i've just
taken a rite of passage but i did'ntwant to use that phrase because of all
the moans and hate mail i would receive from this group.)

anyway, sorry to bother y'all but i accidentally deleted the e-mail about
world falls and what it means and can't sent a personal response.

wf is probably my fav. ig song. i believe that we are all a part of the
earth-- well no need to explain my extreme environmental/natural philosophies
here, but i think because of my believes i really identify with this song.

my rather simplistic interpretation of the line "burning blues to black":

blues refers to depression. when you burn something, it turns to ash
which is black. ...hence she is burning her depression (perhaps ridding herselfof that which upsets her) into ashes!
(the ashes in turn return to the earth and revitalize it--- sorry, my naturalistravings again)

as far as the "stone stapped onto my back"--- the heaviness of existence, weightof the world... the anthesis to the unbearable lightingness of being (i just
ripped off milan kundera)

of course these are just my opinions, i'm not saying they are right!

as far as the comments about them being lesbians with innies or outties---
i have to agree with those who say we have no need to know or discuss this,
as long as they make wonderful music --- who cares? (unless of course, for
whatever reason, amy and emily decide to write a song singging all about
the virtues of being a lesbian with innies who buy used garth brooks cds
on their birthdays in new orleans... sorry)

i love the fugitive... however i put a "self-inspection" sort of spin on it...

sorry to take the song of the day thread out of order.

i hope i haven't said anything to get me kicked off the list!

cynthia (crecca@admin.njit.edu)
yes, there are ig fans in nj!!!!!!!!

ps--- please forgive the typos. i work at a technical institute with a not
so wonderful e-mail edit command.

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subject:      re: lots of questions, some comments, take 2! (

-well, she wishes she were a nomad, indian, or saint. a nomad has
-walking shoes, an indian sometimes has feathered arms, and saints
-have the key to heaven's gate. that's my thought. as to why she
-wishes she were a nomad, indian, or saint, i'm not quite sure.

--anna

i agree with the above explaination. i just wanted to add that why she
wants that . " the edge of death would disappear", shes doesn't wnat to
die remember. if she were one of the above she'd have no worries.

gotta run

peace love and lots of hugs
kristal

to keep milk from turning sour: keep it in the cow."

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subject:      a sobering note

it is very hard for me to sit here today and watch posts roll by about
sexual preference and innies and outies and garth brooks and other rather
superficial issues.  hundreds of people all across the country today are
mourning for the loss of innocence and innocents that occured one year ago
today.  and they are remembering the courage and the heroism of those who
dug through the rubble.  they are thanking those who have sent them hope and
love to support them through the long days.  life must go on with all its
odd posts, it is something i understand.  but it might be appropriate for us
to stop for a moment and remember those whose lives will not go on.

peace.

k
remember oklahoma city. april 19, 1995.
and i remember bill. april 19, 1994.
may they all rest in peace.

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hi everybody!!!
as promised, i am writing to give a report on the
dar williams concert that i went to last night in ann arbor.

(i was at the 9:30 show btw) here's all of the songs,
as close to the actual set list as i could piece together:

1.  the christians and the pagans song
2.  the babysitter song
3.  war inside us
4.  as cool as i am
5.  this was pompeii
6.  the poitless, yet poignant, crisis of a co-ed.
7.  iowa
8.  the ocean
9. mortal city
10.  s. ca wants to be western new york
11.  [the one about being a boy when she was little, and her husband was a
girl]
11. february
12.  you're aging well
13.  traveling(? don't know which #))

i did really well remembering until about #8 or so above,
so i know i missed a couple (i don't know the songs from
the first album, so i think the ones i missed were from the
first album) and may not have the right order - oh well......

  some short observations:
  dar is a shorter person than i expected, and also wore
the same outfit that she is wearing on the cover of "mortal city".
she is very charming, being a lot funnier than i thought too.  an
intellectual kind of wit, but not uptight you know.... she gave
some of the best introductions to songs....not stories really
but about the actual ideas of the songs.  i learned about
dar- it was her birthday yesterday.  someone started to sing
happy birthday and then the whole audience just sang right along.
i thought that was fun!   she said she was 29, but i
think she was goofing around...i think she's really older than that.
she talked about her times touring with joan baez and ani difranco.
(i didn't know she opened for ani.)

  i guess that was all...the ark will be moving in june they
said last night.  we walked past the new venue, and it looks
beautiful...we couldn't see inside very well  though.  can't
wait to see what kind of grand opening gets booked.

ok, i am going. thanks to all who read!
bye, dana

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subject:      used cds...my short opinion...
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if i were a painter, and i sold a painting...
then two years later, that painting was resold...
i wouldn't get any money from the second sale...

so why should cd's be different??

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subject:      used paintings...my short opinion...nigc
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>>> neily <ph21nh@surrey.ac.uk> 04/19/96 09:05am >>>
if i were a painter, and i sold a painting...
then two years later, that painting was resold...
i wouldn't get any money from the second sale...

so why should cd's be different??

absolutely no offense to neily, but this is what's wrong with the
art world, except the only people that benefit in the art world are
wealthy collectors and dealers.

>if i were a painter, and i sold a painting...
>then two years later, that painting was resold...
>i wouldn't get any money from the second sale...

>so why should cd's be different??

i understand and appreciate your analogy, but i think it's a little bit
misguided.  paintings are considered assets (in legal terms).  when one
buys a painting and then resells it, he (in the global "personkind"
sense), is required to delcare the capital gains and pay taxes on it.
most people seel cd's when they need a little extra cash, and they're
sick of the disc.  however, people usually buy paintings for 2 reasons.
1. they intend to keep it, or 2. they plan on selling it for a profit,
in which they admit fiscal responsibility.  cd's are not on that level.
while i am an avid music collector, i have been known to sell back cd's
to get a little extra money.  however, it is the morality of the record
companies that keep the prices elevated so far over the few dollars it
costs to produce them that keeps me against the whole "artist's rights"
argument.  the cycle of high prices as a demand for compensation leading
to used cd sales and continuing high prices is circular, and
never-ending.  if record companies finally recognized that the time has
come to lower prices, then maybe people wouldn't feel the need to buy
used, and first profit would go to the artist.  that's a little more
than i intended to say, but far be it from me to avoid a soapbox.
rick

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subject:      biblical references

pooh, i went to catholic shcool for 13 years, does that help?
the way i remeber it,, the ark of the covenant held the ten commandments on thier stone slabs, and itwas also supposed to havve something else in it,
i forget. i do know that the jews would carry the thing around with them in the desert, and later it was housed in king soloman's temple which i think
was later destroyed by advancing summerians, or something like that.
jay

hey there everybody!!

i was catching up with some mail today...and while i was writing a note -
it occurred to me to pose this question to the entire group.

   some have said that a & e have an aol account- (i don't believe
this one.  if anything, they have friends or staff who monitor what goes on)
-
but anyway whether or not this is true-  i still wonder - what name do
you think a or e would choose in signing on?  this could be a really fun
thread -
or maybe not- but i throw this up for the cyber winds to take this where ever
it
goes.

take care,
dana

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*****
oh how we used to sing like stars into long neck buds in the back of cars.
we used to walk on water then, but we didn't know we were sinking in.
we didn't know we were sinking in, sinking in, sinking in, sinking in.
-haynes brooke
******************************************************************************
******

fellow listees,
i vote that this jay character not be allowed to write the list for a
while. "i believe the ig's are lesbians..."?! who cares!!!??? this
is completely immaterial and i don't want my mailbox cluttered with
his stupid observations. anyone else with me?

jody

(sorry jay. not trying to be mean. perhaps you could lurk for a while
before you send 8 messages to the list??...)

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subject:      a short story

a cold winter day
snowfall recent, my boots leave their mark on the blanket of white.  it is
my hometown and i remember biking around, hanging out and going to paries at
this place as a high school student.  a girl walks by and i swore i saw her
last night in massachusetts, but she denies it, though later she will foil
her story by providing recordings that she made. small talk is made and as
our hands get increasingly colder, a tour bus pulls up, living legends who
played with dylan walk out, we greet them with the thanks for last night.
cold sets in and we retreat for a quick cup of coffee, at a small place
known as the den.
     we return to hear the solo voices of the woman we came so far on thjis
pilgrimage to see, but we are outside with no doors open, least if you dont
know the area well.
     like a ten year old who is on a tyreasure hunt i remember that one door
is open, is always open for shows here, i remember friends showing it
earlier years ago at some show, perhaps phish. we open, we see her, amy, on
stage belting chords during her soundcheck, a tape recorder is turned on,
without my knowledge, we listen, unfamilar song, which is difficult since i
have all the albums and ep's,
    new? perhaps, but beatiful, the verses talk of a person, living in
souls, drinking her wine, it blows us both away, were are not yet seen by
anyone...
    then we are, as this goddess walks off stage, we are met with securuity,
we plead, yell to the goddess and we are allowed to stay, we meet another
goddess named emily, and dance in the auditorium as they do a full
rehearsal, a private concert for two, and there is no way we are worthy. it
is early december as we thank them, i head to my folks house for supper and
to grab some recording equipment and, even though i have no recollection,
probably a coffee.
    the goddesses are the indigo girls, they gave me and the girl, allison,
permission to tape the show.  the show was brillant, echoing the previous
night.  it was brillant to say the least.

over the christmas break i recieved a tape, fugitive was on it, it was a
tape of the soundcheck allison had taped without my knowledge, it was
amazing to hear the song a full yaer and a half before it hit the cd and six
months before the first public performance.

fugitive is definitely one of my fave ig songs

remember oklahoma city

(and bill.)

mike r.

first of all, i agree with karen. we all need our lives to move
forward frmo tragedy, but we cannot and should not forget what
happened.

fugitive is one of my utmost favorite ig songs...like chris it ranks
right up there with strange fire and a few others.  i can just feel the
passion in amy when she sings it, even in the quiet moments.  teh
stark reality of the struggle with fame.  when i see them do it live
at a show i am photographing,  i feel very guilty about taking pics,
even with permission.  it makes me feel that much moe invasive.
i also love how the sng goes full circle in how she describes the
perils of public life and then decides to go an she wants anyway..
still choosing to be part of this world she has in part created.
gives me greater appciation for the gift of their musc ( iwas
bummed too that ti was not on 1200 curfews).

back to work...

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subject:      indicated iii - get your requests in!!

>date: wed, 10 apr 1996 08:24:22
>to: indigo-girls@netspace.org
>from: rob sticka <rob.sticka@gsfc.nasa.gov>
>subject: indicated iii - get your requests in!!
>
>>date: fri, 29 mar 1996 07:54:36
>>to: indigo-girls@netspace.org
>>from: rob sticka <rob.sticka@gsfc.nasa.gov>
>>subject: indicated iii - get your requests in!!
>>
>>indicated iii is ready so get your requests in now!!
>>
>>for you newcomers, "indicated" is a series of tapes containing ig songs as
performed and recorded by ig fans from around the world.  some of the songs
are a bit amateurish while others are close to professional quality.
>>
>>indicated iii contributors:  if you gave me your postal address, i will
send your copy of indicated iii to you.
>>
>>overseas and canadian list members:  send your requests to me.  i will
handle all overseas/canadian requests.
>>
>>here's the deal:
>>
>>to get your copy, you have to remember the month of your birth.  pick the
tape tree volunteer that corresponds to your month.
>>
>>rob sticka:  january, february               rob.sticka@gsfc.nasa.gov
>>sarah wiegman:  march, april                 sanawike1@aol.com
>>pamela shaw:  may, june                      sparkle@primenet.com
>>lisa nordeen:  july, august                  nordeelm@caa.mrs.umn.edu
>>stacy sheperson:  september, october         ssheperson@uoknor.edu
>>donna schwartz:  november, december          zkaa76a@prodigy.com
>>
>>contact your respective tape tree volunteer to get details about their
postal addresses, self addressed stamped envelope requirements, sending a
blank tape, sending money, etc.  no one will be making any money on this tape!
>>
>>i don't want to bias your opinion of this tape but i think you're gonna
like it!
>>
>>a personal request:  if you want a copy of indicated i or ii, ask me in
another month or so.  handling indicated iii only is the best i can do right
now.
>>
>>i have made 6 master copies of indicated iii - direct copies of the tape
submittals i received.  each tape tree volunteer will receive a master copy
from which they will produce copies.  each tape was produced using no noise
reduction techniques (no dolby, dbx, etc.).
>>
>>
>>indicated iii contains:
>>
>>side a
>>
>>hammer and a nail - rob sticka/andrea bertino
>>mystery - scott ninnemann
>>galileo - two homesluts and a houseboy
>>strange fire - greg flamer/jamie weinberg/sherman serna
>>welcome me - lorinda wright/patty arrington
>>thin line - rob augino/courtney wright
>>finlandia - cats on fire
>>power of two - rob sticka/andrea bertino
>>hand me downs - katie mccurry/george patrick
>>blood and fire - pamela shaw
>>ghost - neil hunt/kirsti reeve/jaq delaney
>>
>>side b
>>
>>walk away - rob sticka/scot ninnemann
>>hey jesus - two homesluts and a houseboy
>>love will come to you - phil norman
>>three hits - lorinda wright/dan grossman
>>hand me downs - scot ninnemann
>>world falls - rob sticka
>>uncle john's band - cats on fire
>>land of canaan - rob augino/courtney wright
>>everybody's waiting for someone to come home - julie goldman/ashley filip
>>mystery - neil hunt
>>center stage - rob augino/courtney wright
>>
>>i will post this same message to the list maybe a half dozen times over
the next two months.
>>
>>if you're familiar with other lists that may be interested in this tape,
please forward this message to that list.  we want to spread the good ig word.
>>
>>
>>rob sticka
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
rob sticka

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subject:      re: lesbian existence
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thanks for your post, jessie...i personally don't have any problem with
discussion of the whole sexual orientation issue here (although gossip is
quite another matter); in fact, i welcome it in some sense. i am a
straight male, i admit, but i am anxious to understand the gay experience
as much as i can given my status. ig have opened the door wider for me
with their songs and their words (although they did not crack the door
open initially), and i am grateful.

just my own couple of pennies.

straight but not narrow,
mike

jen said:

>what's the story behind nashville? i get the idea, but i'm curious
>what happened to amy(if i'm allowed to ask this).

according to their presong comments on a boot tape from 1987 i have...

its about amy's going to university for a year there.. (can't remember
the name of the university)

jen too.

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used books are perhaps a better analogy...
all in favour??

paintings were just the first idea in my head...
i'm sure there are other examples...

>absolutely no offense to neily, but this is what's wrong with the
>art world, except the only people that benefit in the art world are
>wealthy collectors and dealers.

none taken :)
you have to try harder than that to upset me...:):)
i was only talking about small time prints or
something...not major masterpieces...

but it's the same for record companies...recording
artists contracts are unfair too (if anyone
wants details, just ask away...)

and i agree with the overpricing things too...part of
the arguement for used cd tax was that cd's don't
depreciate, like cars (and we don't pay mr. ford when
we buy a new mazda now do we?? :):) ) but that's
already been taken into account by the high price of
the things...

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thank you jessie!  i couldn't agree with you more.  their sexual
orientation is public knowledge because they have fought to make it
public knowledge.  it is not petty, and it is not irrelevant, to talk
about their struggles and triumphs as they have made them public through
interviews and writings.  the fact that their songs are universally
relevant is part of what makes them so dear to so many fans.  denying
that they write love songs about relationships with women is denying what
they fight for.  it's wonderful that we all can relate to them.  but
what's so scary about a straight person relating to a song about a
same-sex relationship? isn't this what all gay and lesbian people have to
deal with constantly in pop music and other mainstream entertainment?  we
don't complain that "bury my heart" isn't about native american issues
because we aren't native american.  of course that's not a direct
parallel but you get my point.

this is my last post on this subject.  i think it is wonderful and
inspiring that a&e are lesbian and out and proud.  they have worked hard
to be who they are and where they are.  and everytime some unenlightened
person asks me who my favorite band is and they follows with "aren't they
lesbians?"  (this happens a lot, i go to a christian college) i have an
opportunity to enlighten them about the issue.  i hope this doesn't
offend, but i believe it is right.  please don't shove amy and emily back
in the closet!!--gwen

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subject:      going too far.

    i just have a little something to say.  let's not make it seem
like we are a bunch of obsessive fans by talking about whether a&e
have "innies" or "outies".  next thing you know we will be discussing
the best ways to stalk them.  being a great fan is one thing but
let's not act like a bunch of crazies.  sometimes this list goes a
little too far.

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sorry jody, i can't agree with you here.  this is an unmoderated list,
and just because he made a statement you disagreed with (backed by valid
points, not just petty gossipy fluff) doesn't mean he can't be part of
this list.  i believe that his post had a subject line (although i might
be wrong) and you are well within your rights to delete it without
reading it if you like.  and i didn't get 8 messages from jay...maybe
there's something wrong with my account...

this isn't a flame, jody. just trying to make a small point is all! :)
--gwen

on fri, 19 apr 1996, jody k baker wrote:

> fellow listees,
> i vote that this jay character not be allowed to write the list for a
> while. "i believe the ig's are lesbians..."?! who cares!!!??? this
> is completely immaterial and i don't want my mailbox cluttered with
> his stupid observations. anyone else with me?
>
> jody
>
> (sorry jay. not trying to be mean. perhaps you could lurk for a while
> before you send 8 messages to the list??...)
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why is this even being discussed? both of them are openly gay and have
been out for a long time. what's the big mystery?

on thu, 18 apr 1996, gwen keyt wrote:

> here are my big clues:
> 1. they have been featured in the advocate as lesbian rockers.
> 2. read the liner note in 1200c about love's recovery (amy's
> contribution).  that is undeniably written from personal experience.
> 3. numerous mention of a& cooper (i think that's her name)
> 4. countless opportunities to discount the rumor if it was not true (that
> is, if they cared....and i know if i were them i probably wouldn't care
> even if it wasn't true)
>
> that's just what comes to the top of my head.  ummm, i seem to remember
> some mention in an interview or something about them dealing with coming
> out together when they were in school, but maybe i'm making that up.
> maybe i'm wrong about this whole thing but i don't think so.  --gwen
>
> on thu, 18 apr 1996, jason m. chmielecki (chmielja@nhc.edu) wrote:
>
> >         i beliefve that the ig's are lesbians. when i was origianally
> > introduced to them by my freind lisa up in buffalo (galilieo, by the way.....)
> > she told me that they were, and she's probably the biggest fan of them i've
> > ever come in contact with. in fact, i kinda got the impression that amy and michelle had had a relationship in the past that hadn't worked out. check
> > out your cd cover of the original ig release and look to the last page where
> > amy and emily have the people they are thanking. amy says something like:
> > "and thanks to michelle, even though......" this just always gave me
> > the impression that they had had a relationship. that, and i've always had
> > the impression that they had had a relationship. that, and i've always had
> > the imopression that "land of cannan," and "world falls," were about
> > the two of them. but i could be reading more into this than i should........
> > anyone else have any impressions about this topic? i realize it's probably against
> > the rules to discuss it, so please accept my apology if this is the case.
> >                                         later,
> >                                                 jay...........
> >
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good point, derek. who was it that said, "i'd rather you were a
friend than a fan."

i saw tori amos a couple of days ago and afterward she came out to
meet people near her tour bus. she went immediately to a woman in a
wheelchair and then shook hands of people. as she stood a few feet
away from me i realized that she was probably as much in awe of her
"fans" as we were of her.

interesting to think about, eh?

however, these days "rock stars" don't really exist like they did a
decade ago. i could be sitting next to a member of hootie and the
blowfish on a busand not even realize it, but i would be a little nervous
if it were a member of bon jovi. glam-rock will return because the
masses want "rock idols" not dockers-wearin', golf club swingin'
"swell guys."

toodles,
andrew

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subject:      re: lesbian existence

kudos to gwen from seattle-pacific!

i get that too, going to a "christian college." i just wrote a review
of "1200 curfews" in our weekly student publication, the "threefold
advocate" and some people here were shocked that a review of a
"lesbian duo" was in the newspaper.

you tell it like it is, and if people can'tswallow the truth, then
tough! fortunately our paper is a little more lax this year. before
they would only let me review "christian artists," but so far i've
reviewed new albums from natalie merchant, the boo radleys, innocence
mission, wakeland and others. still, indigo girls was the only one
they seemed to have a problem with. that hacks me off! actually it
was a christian musician and friend of mine, rich mullins that got me
into ig. i still thank him for that, because both rich and ig are two
of the most honest and straightforward musicians i know.

later,
andrew

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amy went to vanderbilt in nashville for a year, but transfered to emory
the next.  (f.y.i.- emily went to tulane in new orleans for a two years,
but transfered with amy to emory that year.)  i heard that she hated
vanderbilt and nashville, to bassackwards and narrow-minded.  but i think
htat recently (in the last few years) she's gotten over that.  supposedly
they recorded somehting in nashville and had a great time.  i think the
nashville of the early eighties has changed for the better by now.
-mandy

on fri, 19 apr 1996, jen kuiper wrote:

> jen said:
>
> >what's the story behind nashville? i get the idea, but i'm curious
> >what happened to amy(if i'm allowed to ask this).
>
> according to their presong comments on a boot tape from 1987 i have...
>
> its about amy's going to university for a year there.. (can't remember
> the name of the university)
>
> jen too.
>
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subject:      my funny story... but i need advice!!!!

ok, here goes, i am such a dork....
i heard throught the grapevine that one of the professors at my school
was really good friends with amy ray...  (i've never had this prof by the
way...)  and i came accross her e-mail address and e-mailed her, telling
her about myself and that no, i'm not psychotic, just curious, etc... and
she wrote me back and she said that she's good friends with amy and
emily.  she went to emory with them and has kept in touch.  she said
that they're wonderful people and that neither of them has changed much,
except for they're a lot busier now... and she wants me to come by her
office sometime...  what do i say...????  how did i get myself into
this?  do i tell her that i'm an indigo junkie, that i want to be an
indigo when i grow up?  that i occupy myself trading boots of her best
friends's concerts?  arrghhh...  any input is wonderful....   thanks!
-mandy

>fellow listees,
>i vote that this jay character not be allowed to write the list for a
>while. "i believe the ig's are lesbians..."?! who cares!!!??? this
>is completely immaterial and i don't want my mailbox cluttered with
>his stupid observations. anyone else with me?
>
>jody
>
>(sorry jay. not trying to be mean. perhaps you could lurk for a while
>before you send 8 messages to the list??...)

i'm kind of new to the list and have only posted a few times, but 've read
alomst all of the posts from the past couple of weeks. so far, i get the
impression that the people on this list pride themselves on being
open-minded and try to deal with problems that come up on an intellectual
level, ie. people aren't out right mean to each other and don't insult
people. i think the above message is mean and not necessarily justifeid
because the issue is being dealt with in a constructive way, as far as i
can tell. moreover, jay is not the only person who has written in about the
issue. i think asking him to refrain from the list is unfair, personal and
exclusive. basically, i'm saying i don't think it's fair to censor someone
from the list every time there is a difference of opinion or someone is
insulted. if i have offended anyone with this post i'm sorry and i'm
usually a lurker, so it should make those people happy that i'm going back
to lurking now. that's my $.02, thanks for listening
jann

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subject:      sexuality, belly buttons, etc.

hi all,

well, the sexuality question has come up again, and started another
little disagreement.

so, here is my three cents worth.

i think open discussion of sexual orientation is very important. why?
because a lot of people in the u.s.a. (and likely other countries)
haven't spent a lot of time dealing with gay/lesbian/bi-sexaul
issues. not being eduacated about a subject is the same as being
ignorant about that subject. ignorance can, and often does, breed
contempt, hatred, and unfortunately sometimes leads to violence.
open discussion about sexual orientation is a great way to help
eduacate those who have not had the opportunity to learn yet, and
help reduce the amount of ignorance around the subject. and maybe one
day lead to a place where we can all openly live our lives without
fear. well i can dream can't i?

i would just ask that we all take a moment before we post questions
or comments and ask ourselves this: is this something that amy and/or
emily might find disrespectful? might they feel uncomfortable if they
were to find out that a number of people they dont' know where
discussing a particular part of their lives?

i guess for me what it comes down to is this. we are all extremely
blessed to be able to share the beauty of amy & emily's music. i
think the least we can offer them in return is a little bit of
respect for them as people and individuals.

i really don't mean this as a flame or an attack on anyone. it's just
that for me, the music of indigo girls is such a beautiful and
spiritual experience that i feel that we owe it to ourselves, and to indigo girls,
to behave in a respectful and loving manner when communicating with each
other in this particular world.

i guess that's all i had to say..

peace and love y'all

dan perkins
aka
problem child
aka
bassman

"baby i said, it's all in our hands
got to learn to respect,
what we don't understand.
we are fortunate ones
fortunate ones i swear."
-amy ray

p.s.

only 13 more days!!!!!!! mooo

kindness wrote:
>
> amy went to vanderbilt in nashville for a year, but transfered to emory
> the next.  (f.y.i.- emily went to tulane in new orleans for a two years,
> but transfered with amy to emory that year.)  i heard that she hated
> vanderbilt and nashville, to bassackwards and narrow-minded.  but i think
> htat recently (in the last few years) she's gotten over that.  supposedly
> they recorded somehting in nashville and had a great time.  i think the
> nashville of the early eighties has changed for the better by now.
> -mandy

i saw the igs back in 92 for the rite of passage tour in nashville. and amy explained, before they sang
"nashville", pretty much like you said, that she didnt fit in so she left.  she also explained that she was
over it.  they came back later that year, which was awesome, and played at vanderbilt memorial gym, but
refused to play "nashville".  the last time i saw them was in 1994 during the swamp ophelia tour.  once again
the crowd wanted to hear it, but amy said that they will never sing that song here.

in defense for the city of nashville, it's not as "bassackwards and narrow-minded" as people think.  sure it
is the home of country music, but there are alot of small clubs here that showcase many new and alternative
music.  bluebird cafe, exit inn, and 328 performance hall to name a few.  i've seen acts like jenniffer
trident, iggy pop, matthew sweet, cowboy mouth, better than ezra, counting crows, nine inch nails, tori amos
and more all here. and mostly everybody you meet here is a song writer and/or musician.  the rents to high but
other than it's a pretty hip town.

--
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subject:      issues.....

let me set a few things straight here:
1. i did not bring up the lesbian issue, i was simply responding to
another postee who was curious. i was never making a moral judgement
against them, and in fact, scince my first couple posts on the issue, i haven't even talked about that subject until now (i think...). and i'm sorry, to
jody and to anyone else who thought my post was rude, or inflamitory
in any way.

2. i apologize for taking up list space with the ark of the covenant issue,
i should have answered that post privately, you're right gwen.

3. as far as leaving 8 posts goes, yes in the last couple of days i have
probably left more posts than anyone else, and i'm sorryu if that
offends anyone. but i just joined the list, and i am very excited about being
able to talk to people with as much of a love of the ig's music as i have.

4. as far as resigning from this list goes, i am willing to leave if that
is what everyone wants. please email me privately if you have an opinion on
the matter. if the consensus is for me to go...i will go.

thanks,
jay

andrew west griffin wrote:
>
> kudos to gwen from seattle-pacific!
>
> i just wrote a review of "1200 curfews" in our weekly student publication, the
> "threefold advocate" and some people here were shocked that a review of a
> "lesbian duo" was in the newspaper.

that get show the ignorance of some conservative people which is sad.  i consider
myself as conservative as well and a member of the republicain party.  i think
that the igs are great musicains and songwriters.  their music gives such positive
messages such as: getting involved with your communittee, respect the land, take
charge of ones life and, most important, "love yourself". the fact they are
lesians should not diminish these wonderful life lessons they offer to us.

when i am with a conservative crowd and tell them that i have gay friends and/or
tell them that i am big ig fan, i get the strangest looks. on the other hand when
i am with a liberal crowd and they find out that i am a republicain, i am labeled
as a bible thumping, homophobe which is far from the truth.

a persons sexual orientation is not an issue with me, that is very private matter.
my problem is when people get in my face and tells me i "have to" except them
because they have a different life style then mine, that's when i get pissed. my
response to this is: "except you! i dont even know you."

fred welter

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to all of you who brought me up to date after a two-day, unexplained ig list
hiatus, thank you. there were many interesting articles that i could not have
lived without. the explanation of the ig and family channel--looked myself
and just figured that slc changed the programming, garth brooks and bellie
buttons and the one big laugh and day-brightening post--"innies or outies."
thank you and by some miraculous occurence, the list is back in my mailbox.
thanks and you need not send them directly to me any longer. my aren't you
all kind. fun times today.

marian

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subject:      7th inning stretch

ok everyone. it's time to get out of our seats and stretch and get off
this topic.

13 more days till the festival !!!!  can anyone get off the bitch sessions
enough to remember ig and why we love them ??  remember...we'll see them
soon.  it's been about a year since us non-atlanta folks have see our
heroes.

for those that are going, don't forget to stop by the cafe du monde after
the may 2nd concert.

moo shirts should be in full production by now.  don't forget the other
quotes that were brought up like "i was a cute cuddly bear cub"  "no i was"
"no i was"  "i was", etc.

for the person that's making the banner - there is someone doing it right?
let's all get together may 4th before the show and sign it so we can give
it to a & e.

come on guys and gals. not only is this topic old, but it's unproductive.

kissing and making up even though i kept my mouth shut...
- jen hall

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jason m. chmielecki (chmielja@nhc.edu) wrote:
>
> let me set a few things straight here:
> 1. i did not bring up the lesbian issue, i was simply responding to
> another postee who was curious.

i brought up the lesbian issue, but it was more of an assumption issue. i was
wondering if it was fact or the folks here was just assumming.

> 3. as far as leaving 8 posts goes, yes in the last couple of days i have
> probably left more posts than anyone else, and i'm sorryu if that
> offends anyone.

the more the marrier. don't you think.

> 4. as far as resigning from this list goes, i am willing to leave if that
> is what everyone wants. please email me privately if you have an opinion on
> the matter. if the consensus is for me to go...i will go.

i would of emailed you privately like you wished, but i feel other should know
this. let me ask everybody here this: what would this list be like everybody had
the same point of view? pretty damn boring if you ask me. the indigo girls music
reachs out to many different people. their fans comes in many different shapes
and size. so it is only natural that a couple of toes gets stepped on every now
and then. we just have to deal with it through discussion not by kicking someone
off this list. once in awhile someone will enter this list just to make trouble.
now those people must go. if a genuine fan does not see eye to eye with another
and they are "vocal" about it, that is no reason to bannish he or she.

so stay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

fred welter

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i'm starting to get a headache....
quit fighting you guys !
i'm telling mom.
:) love power !
claire
going to show some of my paintings now..that i never sell and
someone will make a lot of money off of when i die.
you know the selling part never occurs to me ...just the
making art part and sharing part...maybe thats why i count
trees(for money) most of the time *sigh*
i think i'll start a used cd store :)

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on friday, april 19th, jen hall wrote:

> for the person that's making the banner - there is someone doing it right?
> let's all get together may 4th before the show and sign it so we can give
> it to a & e.

yep--i'm making it if no one else wants to (so moo! now or forever hold
your peace!)....and yes, i think it's an awesome idea for us all to sign
it and give it to a & e. so that means you gotta look out for the banner
at the may 2 show *and* at the may 4 show, not only so we can meet each
other but also so we can sign it!

once again: the banner will most likely be white and will say (prolly in
black letters, and maybe some other jazzy color) "folkisgruven!" and will
have a coupla "moo!"s, prolly in the corners or something. you'll know it
when you see it!

suggestions for the banner design are welcome! i've got limited time
between now and may 1, tho, so i'll make the lettering look purty but it
probably won't be an absolute work of art! :)

an idea (which many of y'all are already doing these days): those who
are going to the concert, put your section, row and seat numbers/letters
under your name when you sign off on your posts! that way we can see if any
of us are "seat neighbors" at uno!

saludos,

christine :)

(orch. row 19, seat 13-14)

when amy sings "got to learn to respect what we don't understand"  i believe she's
referring to people who have a tendency to feel contempt or fear for things (i.e.
lifestyles, ideas, etc.) they don't understand and/or haven't been exposed to.
when you think about this statement in the context of what the song's about, it
makes perfect sense to me.  i don't think it has anything to do with amy and emily
not understanding their fans.  i think i once heard someone say that fugitive
was supposedly about their loss or privacy because of their fans.  what i get
from the song is that it's more loss of privacy due to the glare of the media spotlight.  maybe i'm
wrong.  but the line "are they coming for us with cameras or guns" to me doesn't
sound like something someone would sing about their fans - especially the gun
reference.  that line make me think it is a reference to a public figure who is
gay - "are they coming to shove a camera in our faces" or "are they homophobes who
have an incredible amount of contempt for us cause we're gay and we wish to be
ourselves in public"  obviously the song is about loss of privacy, but i think
there are some tolerance and society issues interwoven into the song as well.  amy's songs
often have other little themes/issues going on at the same time.  one dimentional
the girl definitely is not!(g)  just my $.02...

peace, moo and fridays,

joan :)

  i always thought this song was about having to hide from fame, from
the media, but most of all the fans that are a little, well, over the
edge.  i read an article a couple of years ago where amy talked about
having to move because so many fans were showing up at her house at all
hours of the day and night and there was a blurb about someone breaking
into emily's parents' house trying to steal pictures. the line "are they
coming for us with cameras or guns" and the following lines means to me
that amy's wondering if the fans chasing after them are just harmless
fanatics or loonies like the one who shot john lennon...
   it makes me shudder to think...
                               sharon

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>
> wm - i don't get the line about the lone coyote.

i heard somewhere, and this could be a total lie, that there is actually
a coyote living in downtown la.  i've also heard there is one living in
ny.  i've also heard, and i actually think this may not be a lie, that
coyotes are the most adaptable species there is.  they can, and do, live
just about anywhere.
>
> 1-2-3 - sounds like someone is in the very "depths of despair," to
> quote anne shirley.  she's telling this person to choose life or
> death, and saying that life is not easy(nothin's for free).  what is
> the wheel of tongues and what does it have to do with finding the
> answers?  what does she mean by "pick up sticks and go home?"

stop fighting, (sticks=weapons of war) and go home.
>
> komh - very heavy.  yesterday after listening to it, i had to turn it
> off and just sit in silence, absorb it, rest.   love and anger as
> gods and scars.....this sounds self-destructive, similar to the
> beginning of 1-2-3, but for a different reason.  what do you think
> "lines crossing into a hand" are?  i have an idea.....okay, i may be
> way off on this one: horse drawn on my arm standing for an
> addiction=heroine.  maybe too literal?
>
lines crossing-amy's tatoo, someone posted about the significance of it a
while ago and i lost it, but it had something to do with sioux indian
mythologies.  hmmm.

> okay, a break from nis:
> tmf - what are they saying in the background?

i think they are repeating the lyrics in soft whispery voices.
>
> bandf - was this written in the same time period as lc? talking
> about those 2 flights up.

bandf is an amy song, lc is an emily song.  my guess is that they have
little to do with each other.
>
> wood - "that's where i need to go"  where?  is she saying she has to
> experience love and the complexities of it and how to make it
> through?  why is the wood tired, old or whatever?

if the weather holds, we'll have missed the point, that's where i need to
go.  my take:  the storms of life, the difficult times are precisely the
times which teach us, give us peace, make us find god and love.  the wood
is tired because emily is tired.  i think of this song like a person is
the wood, going out into the world experiencing storms and passions and
love and getting tired and being rejuvinated by certain experiences, and
becoming exhausted again, and going round and round in the world.  just
my .02.
>
> oops, i forgot: what is the mercy seat?  please help!

here, an answer i can actually know for *sure*!  the mercy seat is the
space between the angel's wings on the arc of the covenant.  the arc of
the covenant is that thing the hebrews used to carry around while
wandering in the wilderness, and placed in the most holy of holy places
in their temple.   only the high priest was allowed inside and only on
one day of the year.  it is also the thing indiana jones goes after and
the thing they carry around in the ten commandments.  inside the arc of
the covenant was the rod of aaron, the ten comandments and a loaf of
manna.  all three of those things represented miracles from god.  (yes,
it's true, i know way too much about this.)  the mythology was that the
mercy seat, which formed the lid of the arc, was the earthly dwelling
place of god, his throne.

> reunion: what does she mean by intimate
strangers? > it sounds like this is about honesty and responsibility.

i have a boot where amy mentions that this song is about her high school
reunion.  she says something about how she went with a friend of hers who
told her this:  "you know, those people you were just talking to who were
being really nice to you?  they hated you in high school."  you know how
there are those few people in your life who are always really nice to you
and act like they know you well and are close to you when really they
don't?  and you don't?  my guess is those are intimate strangers.

just my take on a few of your inqiries!

yours,
chris ii

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>
> well, she wishes she were a nomad, indian, or saint.  a nomad has
> walking shoes, an indian sometimes has feathered arms, and saints
> have the key to heaven's gate.  that's my thought.  as to why she
> wishes she were a nomad, indian, or saint, i'm not quite sure.
>
because nomads wander without connections and attachments, indians live
forever in the spirit world, and saint's go to heaven.  "the edge of death
would disappear . . ."

for nomads, indians and saints, death is nothing to fear.

just my .02,
chris ii (again).

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just decided to post this to the list, too.

> i think that so many of the songs are an objective kind of thing.  boy  you
> are full of questions!!  i can give on a literal and real answer though.  the
> mercy seat is a direct biblical reference.  in the old testament they had
> this thing called the ark of the covenant which was the prescence of god.
>  there was a seat in front of the ark called the mercy seat.  if you sat
> there you would escape god's wrath.  some biblical scholar back me up please.
>  i am trying to remember things from a not so distant teenage years.
>
actually, no.  it was the dwelling place of god.  if a person sat there
he/she would in fact incur the wrath of god.  hope you saw my big long
fat post on the mercy seat, if not let me know and i'll forward it to
you!  isn't the bible an awefully wierd thing?

chris ii

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date:         fri, 19 apr 1996 20:59:19 edt
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subject:      a nashvillian's perspective...

i agree with fred, nashville's not as bad as some people might think.  although
i've only lived here since 1992,  i've seen major changes
take place in just four years.  we've finally got a hard rock cafe, we're getting
a planet hollywood in june, a bb king blues club soon, a brand new arena, possibly
the houston oilers football team, etc.  i didn't live here during the time amy
went to vandy, so i don't know firsthand what it was like, but from what i've
heard, nashville is not as backwards as it used to be.  it certainly has its
flaws, such as the ultra-conservative attitudes that abound (this is the headquarters
of the southern baptist convention, ya know) and the "turbo chart success" mentality
on music row - i wonder if that wasn't part of amy's complaint with nashville.
after all, music row really isn't interested in people who want to create music
that is artistic, unique and/or eclectic (i.e. hard to classify).  music row is
very chart-driven -- oftentimes assembly-line 9 to 5 writing, cranking out hit
singles by people who are more song stylists than artists (not necessarily the
artist's choice, but it's the price you pay to be a country "star.")  in fact,
when country singer-songwriter kevin welch told folks at warner brothers that
he really couldn't care less if he ever had a hit single, it wasn't long before
he was released from his contract.  of course, he and some other "eclectic" artists
went out and started their own indie label called "dead reckoning records"
there are a slew of people like that in town with lots of artistic integrity
who are making their own way and carving out a niche.  so, as fred pointed out,
nashville isn't just about country music, there are all kinds of music being made
and recorded here in town.  also, a lot of non-country artists have taken a liking
to nashville - both for the quality of life and for the songwriter-friendly
climate here.  people like janis ian and donna summer moved here for that reason.
also, lots of other artists visit town occasionally and write with local songwriters.
jon bon jovi spent several days here a couple of years ago writing with people.
peter frampton lives here now, as does steve winwood (part-time) and john kay of
steppenwolf.  for all its flaws, nashville is still a pretty nifty and friendly
place to live.  just watch out for the log-jam traffic and the crazy drivers on
the freeways...(ggg)

peace, moo and nashville,

joan :)
(the nashville transplant)

p.s. -- i saw them here in "nashvegas" in '94 during the so tour and
i too was wondering if they were gonna sing "nashville." the audience absolutely
roared when amy said she guessed they couldn't sing that one anymore. what a
great moment that was!

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hey all. just wanted to say goodbye, as i'm signing off the
list to start my move to indy. have a great time for those going to
n.o., and i'll be back as soon possible.

later,
derek :)

p.s. my e-mail address will be the same for anyone who cares....

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subject:      intimate strangers.....

dang - this may become a habit.....
since kim and her sadistic grannies have been forcefully "lurked" by an uncooperative server, i guess i'll jump out here and make a quickie comment...
i have been under the impression that when amy sings about "intimate strangers" that she means ****us****. you know, y'all and myself who know all sorts of meaningful and meaningless things about her, though most of us are strangers. just my "often wrong opinion", though, you understand.

tracy <who cannot seem to get these boulders back in front of her cave!>

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thank you jessie!

gay and proud,
gavin

in a message dated 96-04-19 10:39:54 edt, chmielja@vax002.nhc.edu (jason m.
chmielecki (chmielja@nhc.edu)) writes:

> yes!! ben, i love carol king. did you know that she wote
>many, many songs that other artist sang in the 60's and 70's?
>the most notable of these was probably james taylor, when he sang
>"you've got a friend," and she also wrote "natural woman," for
>aretha franklin. check out her album called tapestry, it's really
>a good album!! oh, and good luck with your concert!!
> jay
>

geez, this is the kind of stuff that really makes feel my age! i remember
when tapestry was the #1 selling album of all time, i bought a copy back in
hs. carole king wrota a lot of great songs (part of the time it was with her
husband (now ex) ) i think his name was david goffin? anyhoo, they wrote a
lot of what we called bubble gum music, before she did the tapestry album. i
think they wrote some monkee songs, let me go get my greatest hits cd....yep
they wrote pleasant valley sunday, and he was gerry goffin. carole wrote some
good, catchy songs, but her voice was kinda thin. but it was still a good,
honest album that took the music world by surprise.

angie in kc

i am so envious of all of you going to no! please keep good notes on what
they play, and say, and.... well you get the idea. btw, what does
folkisgruven mean?

angie in kc

in a message dated 96-04-19 14:57:28 edt, gryphon@shadow.net (jen kuiper)
writes:

when i saw then in '94, amy said that the song was about her first year in
college, "at vanderbilt, and as all of you know, your first college year can
be treacherous." she said that the first time she wrote the song, she left
the words in a hotel, so this is actually the second version.

angie in kc

ok....i was waiting for the rush of bio postings to die down a bit before
posting mine, and now they've slowed to barely a trickle! c'mon, folks, i
know there's a lot more of you out there!! show yourselves! :)

my info:

name:  connie lindell
d.o.b.:  october 16, 1963
residence:  san bruno, ca usa (near san francisco, but i was born in carmel,
ca).
occupation:  12 years in the music biz, mostly marketing & promotion....7
years with a record distribution company (sony, who distributes epic, which
is how i got into ig...) ...and 5 years in radio (music/promotions director).
main hobbies:  music, travel, reading (mostly sci-fi), being on-line!
ig fan since:  1989
# of ig concerts:  um.....at least five (met them 4 times now!)
fave music:  indigo girls, bee gees, october project, moody blues, enigma,
r.e.m, cranberries, sting, def leppard (varied tastes!) celtic/new age (enya,
andreas vollenweider), 70's stuff (the cheesier the better), some alternative
(& 80's modern rock),  just getting more into the folk scene & having fun
making new discoveries!
last concert attended:  kd lang.....she was awesome!!!!! :)
fave authors:  piers anthony, anne rice, shakti gawain, robert jordan....
other interests:  star trek, elfquest, sandman (how cool that amy's also a
fan!)
cats, doll/antique toy shows, new age stuff (more into the spirtual
self-discovery etc. aspects than into the channeling etc. aspects)....and did
i say "travel"?? ;)
pets:  1 cat, a very furry black "fuzzball"....
relationship:  happily living with keith, my honey for nearly 6 years
now......
list member since:  september 1995

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hey jay

stay and play

that rhymes!

we're happy to have you, and i think i speak for most of us when i say that.
it wasn't so long ago i and others were doing silly, harmless faux pas on the
list. then, other nice listers set us straight (no pun intended). so don't sweat it pal....

happy indigo friday
:) susan
(who is, as of today, moving to new hampshire in seven weeks!!!!!!1 yyyyyaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhoooooooo!!!!! see y'all at nff!)

smarine@cc.colorado.edu

at 9:02 this morning i took 168 seconds out of a test i was taking to
observe the moment of silence as a bell tolled for the victims on a campus
60 miles away from the site. it is particularly sobering when you can
remember feeling the ground shake from that far away one year ago today.

jeremy fuksa

>remember oklahoma city. april 19, 1995.
>and i remember bill. april 19, 1994.
>may they all rest in peace.

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subject:      role of christianity

andrew said:
"they would only let me review "christian artists,"...

i know that you mean contemporary christian artists, but i've never really
understood that category.  i know amy once went to happening, an
episcopalian retreat for high schoolers.  does anyone know if a&e consider
themselves to be christians?  much like understanding their sexuality, i
think their religion plays a major part in their songs.  so i don't see
this as prying into the personal life.

& regarding the innie/outie thread: no this isn't crazies, it's sillies.
come on & have some fun! i don't think this was meant to be a sign of an
overly-obsessive ig fan...

& regarding the issue of used cds:
i think the most serious concern here is the ability to cheaply make
quality copies of cds onto a tape & then sell the cd to a used cd shop.
no royalties to anyone & the seller still has the music on tape. private
duplication is more of a problem than the resale itself, imho. i could go
on about this, but i'll spare you...

michael

in a message dated 96-04-19 20:53:05 edt,sharon writes:

> i read an article a couple of years ago where amy talked about
>having to move because so many fans were showing up at her house at all
>hours of the day and night and there was a blurb about someone breaking
>into emily's parents' house trying to steal pictures.

eeewww ! thats spooky !

(and terribly undignified... miss malbletto would not approve)

i thought about the lennon thread too.

as a visual artist who loves capturing shadows and light for purely
aesthetic reasons...it makes me sad that a few bad apples ruin it
for the rest of us :(
not all photographers are awful pigs, but that seems to be the rap we get.
*sigh*
claire
"i'm an artiste' man."

"i have no need for anger with intimate strangers."
i love that line !
when i first heard it i was in the proccess of leaving
the place i had worked for 5 years, with an abusive,
practicing alcoholic boss who was allways driving me crazy.
when i heard that song it was like a lightbulb went off !
oh !!... "i have no need for anger
with intimate strangers !"
although i knew more than i ever really wanted to know
about this man and spent more time with him than my
family...i didn't really know him, and he sure as hell
didn't have the slightest idea who i was.
we were merely intimate strangers...and why was i allowing
him to make me crazy with anger and frustration ?
a few weeks later i gave him my notice, and as i drove
away on my last day working for him...i played "reunion"
and sang "feeling funny and free..."
and i was indeed :)
thats what i love most about ig songs...they may be about
the songwriters life in some respect, but they are mostly
about our own lives :)
claire
(don't know where i'm sitting in no...can't find the xerox of the tix...
room too messy [it's not a pretty sight..i'm tellin' ya] )

i adore this song, and i think it is or is near its song day, so here goes...
(for the record, i think "gotta learn to respect what we don't understand

(she has an innie)

carole king would be a goddess for the simple reason
that she wrote a song called oh neil.
(come to think, gerry goffin wrote the words)

and also, bringing us onto the ig track again, on their
b band tape, there's cover versions of it's too late
and you've got a friend, which carole wrote...

buy carole king - in concert it's the best intro to
all her work (has things like up on the roof and a lot
of the tapestry stuff...)

that's not a reccomendation. that's an order.

>& regarding the innie/outie thread: no this isn't crazies, it's sillies.
>come on & have some fun! i don't think this was meant to be a sign of an
>overly-obsessive ig fan...

i think you're absolutely right...
some people :):)

@}--,--'---

earlier today, there was a post asking about particulars on the state of
montana. just opened the current issue of the new yorker magazine and a
cartoon on page 8 shows:

*montana, the gorgeous mosaic* reprinted without permission :)

the state is divided into the following wobbly borders:

1. upper left corner: hollywood pseudo-cowboys in need of privacy, open air,
and a full-time personal staff of forty.

2. top middle area: organized tax dodgers.

3. top right corner: mad bombers

4. directly below (3): macho writers, their hippie wives, and their hippie
children.

5. next door to: obsessed environmentalists

6. middle: ufo buffs

7. lower left: militia groups

8. lower middle: obsessed anti-environmentalists

9. right lower of the state: right-wing religious fanatics

thought it was worth a chuckle.

jude :)

i suggest we tape rick's fingers together...:)

jude :)

i'm not sure what religion a&e belong to, if any. i think we'll
all agree though that the bible has played a very strong role in a lot
of amy's songs, mostly in jonas and eziekial of course, but
you can see it in other songs too.
jay

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on sat, 20 apr 1996 michael valenta wrote:

> & regarding the issue of used cds:
> i think the most serious concern here is the ability to cheaply make
> quality copies of cds onto a tape & then sell the cd to a used cd shop.
> no royalties to anyone & the seller still has the music on tape. private
> duplication is more of a problem than the resale itself, imho. i could go
> on about this, but i'll spare you...

on a somewhat similar tangent, i was wondering about a different type
of private duplication of cds onto tapes. i like to copy my cds onto
tapes so i can listen to them in the car. i don't plan to sell
either of them, so is this "legal"?

anna

"to keep milk from turning sour: keep it in the cow."

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joan morrison writes:

> when amy sings "got to learn to respect what we don't understand" i
> believe she's referring to people who have a tendency to feel contempt
> or fear for things (i.e.  lifestyles, ideas, etc.) they don't
> understand and/or haven't been exposed to.  when you think about this
> statement in the context of what the song's about, it makes perfect
> sense to me.  i don't think it has anything to do with amy and emily
> not understanding their fans.  i think i once heard someone say that
> fugitive was supposedly about their loss or privacy because of their
> fans.  what i get from the song is that it's more loss of privacy due
> to the glare of the media spotlight.  maybe i'm wrong.  but the line
> "are they coming for us with cameras or guns" to me doesn't sound like
> something someone would sing about their fans - especially the gun
> reference.  that line make me think it is a reference to a public
> figure who is gay - "are they coming to shove a camera in our faces"
> or "are they homophobes who have an incredible amount of contempt for
> us cause we're gay and we wish to be ourselves in public" obviously
> the song is about loss of privacy, but i think there are some
> tolerance and society issues interwoven into the song as well.  amy's
> songs often have other little themes/issues going on at the same time.
> one dimentional the girl definitely is not!(g) just my $.02...

wow! a thread about song interpretations-- i love it!

joan, while i'd live to agree with you about fans not carring guns, i
simply can't. remember about a year ago when the young texan singer
selena was shot dead by the former head of her fan club? it happens.
its very scary.

and i agree with you the song is written on many different levels,
including the "so we're lesbian, just leave us the fuck alone thanks"
level, i think the emphesis is on the leave us alone part.

i still think the line "gotta learn to respect what we don't
understand" is directed to herself and her friend--and they aren't
homophobes ;). why do i think so? because of the line before it:

"aw 'baby," i said, 'its all in our hands'" (emphesis added)

to me she is imploring themselves: realize that unless we come to
grips with this fan thing all hell is going to break loose.  and we
can do it.  just remember we are actually really fortunate that we are
even able to complain about this.  i know it doesn't seem like it now,
but i sware its true!

anyway, that's my take, and there is room for infinate others!

take care all,

chris

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>on a somewhat similar tangent, i was wondering about a different type
>of private duplication of cds onto tapes. i like to copy my cds onto
>tapes so i can listen to them in the car. i don't plan to sell
>either of them, so is this "legal"?

technically no. copyright is infringed.
morally yes. why should you buy an extra copy??
so in reality noone really cares or does much about
it...not worth the effort :):)

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subject:      re: intimate strangers.....

i don't normally post all that much, but i can't seem to help myself these
past couple of days. i have to say that i've always gotten a different
impression from tracy's:
> i have been under the impression that when amy sings about
>"intimate strangers" that she means ****us****. you know, y'all and
>myself who know all sorts of meaningful and meaningless things about her,
>though most of us are strangers.

i've always gotten the impression that they were talking about people who
call themselves friend, but aren't real and don't really know the person
they call "friend." btw, that line has always been one of my favorites.
anyway, that's just my take on it.
this is one of those lines that just reminds what an excellent knack amy
has for the turn of a phrase. thanks for listening
jenn

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my mom is a lawyer, the way she explained it to me was that it
is perfectly legal to dubb audio and video tapes, and cd's too, as
long as you don't turn around and sell the copy/ies. which is why it
is really cool that when we trade bootlegs we don't charge each other acnything for them. but i would like to reiterate a suggestion i heard the other day,
and that is that we should send the $20 we would have spent on the cd and
send it in to one or two of a&e's (or our own) favorite charities, that
way, we getr the tapes for free and we do a good deed to top it of!!

        oh, i need a favor folks. i just wrote a paper on s.f.b. morse
for my art class, and i ended it by talking about how much i've learned
about art this semester and how when i look at a painting of a cow i'll
be able to understand it's about more than just a cow. i want
to end the paper with an ig quote about beauty, and there's one
i really like from world falls, but i can't remember the whole quote.
"everywhre i look the beauty...." does anyone know the last pasrt?
                                        thanks,
                                                jay

hi y'all! i am slowly creeping out of the ground and back on the list.... i
am now caught up and regaining list reading time.....i thought i'd give my
bio before i head for niagara falls for the day! (yup, even in this
tumultuous weather.) i feel like a tornado chaser!!)

name:  karrie bowen
d.o.b.:  january 30, 1971
residence:  currently attending edinboro university in edinboro pa.  originally
            from the outskirts of binghamton, elmira and ithaca ny.
occupation:  i am a student, but hope to get into public relations for the
             national organization of women or planned parenthood.  i am very
             big on women's healthcare issues. (breast cancer, reproductive
             rights, etc.)
main hobbies:  music, northern exposure, my friend anya says that in my spare
               time i practice at being the biggest feminist in the western
               world, i also live on this computer, when i am not psychotically
               trying to complete schoolwork.
ig fan:       1989
favorite ig memory:   seeing them at cornell university in dec. 1994.  i lied
                      my way to the front of the hall and leaned against the
                      stage, blackening my white thermal sleeves, and danicing
                      my ass off to "closer to fine".  it was religious!

off to the falls!!
take it easy y'all!

karrie

"water retention is not new to me,,"
-emily saliers

hey y'all,

    just wanted to throw out a reminder that i am working on putting
together a bootleg mix tape of all the best versions of our favorite songs.
the title will probably be 1201 curfews (thanks seffy).  please drop me a
line if you have a boot that has the most excellent version of an ig song
you'd like on the mix.
i've got one more week of hell at work before my boss gets back from
europe, then i'm back to my easy goin' life and full steam ahead on this
mix and the ig list book i've been workin' on (which i found a whole bunch
more of saved stuff on the computer at work).  eeeeh haa!

--sunny

ps. thanks to all of you who have already sent me suggestions, they've
been added to the list--including the 18 min soc i'm presently tradin' for!

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i think the quote you were looking for is ...
"everywhere i turn, all the beauty just keeps shaking me."
-world falls, amy ray

well, fellow ig fans, this will be my last post on here. my mother is
getting tired of the list clogging up her mailbox all the time (we share an
account). so, i hope you enjoyed me. :)

rosie

happy birthday dianne!!!

"the people
these friends of ours
let's put them on another day
just leave me tuesday's children
i can face the world my own way"

dianne@uci.edu
"tuesday's children"
* :) *

        well folks, the deadline for the leadmill boot offering has come.
thanks to the many of you who showed their interest and are sending a tape.
i am fairly sure you won't be disappointed.
         for those of you who missed my posts and are still interested, i
will probably offer the tape and another leadmill tape (rough demos for 2
dollars) later on this summer.  for more information on leadmill and the
tapes, check out

http://win-nt.ets.okstate.edu/leadmill/leadmill.html

those of you sending me tapes, look for "live at the crown and rose pub" to
be on your doorstep around the first week of may!

thanks y'all!

jeremy fuksa
guitarist, vocalist
leadmill

2 more things about fugitive and reunion

"i have no need for anger with intimate strangers" is from reunion, and amy
has said publically that it is in reference to an actual high school reunion
she went to, where people who had been awful to her in high school were all
fakey-nice, and some other learning experiences. so i think they are the
intimate strangers in the song.

on fugitive, i think "are they coming for us, cameras or guns" is both about
fans and media, and homophobes...prolly the gun part is both fans and icky
anti-gay people, probably more of the latter, imho. also, "gotta learn to
respect what we don't understand" is about (in my opinion, again) not really
wanting to be famous and fan-mobbed, but having to go along with it and
respect the fans, etc, which amy does a great job of! i also have heard her
say that (this is publically again-just clarifying, so folks don't get
distressed that i'm sharing private info :) it is about her relationship with
her partner, their relationship to fame, how her fame has affected her
partner, how she feels about that, and how her partner has to both deal with
that and her own growing fame and problems with fans.

btw, i love both of these songs....

i am going outside to enjoy the sunshine now!!

peace,

larissa

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hey, i was just talking about this with jessi!  (this is her line of
work).  i hope she jumps in to correct or embellish what i say, but yes,
it is legal.  there is a law...it has a name...i'm sounding really dumb
right now but we were talking about it and it is legal, even though it
doesn't sound like it could be.  as long as you don't sell copies of your
tape or make tons of them and give them away, you're cool.  you'll
probably have to wait until monday to get specifics from jessi, tho,
unless anyone else out there deals in copyright law and licensing
acquisition.  (and monday will be jessi's birthday!!!)--gwen

on sat, 20 apr 1996, chickensoprano wrote:

> on sat, 20 apr 1996 michael valenta wrote:
>
> > & regarding the issue of used cds:
> > i think the most serious concern here is the ability to cheaply make
> > quality copies of cds onto a tape & then sell the cd to a used cd shop.
> > no royalties to anyone & the seller still has the music on tape.  private
> > duplication is more of a problem than the resale itself, imho.  i could go
> > on about this, but i'll spare you...
>
> on a somewhat similar tangent, i was wondering about a different type
> of private duplication of cds onto tapes.  i like to copy my cds onto
> tapes so i can listen to them in the car.  i don't plan to sell
> either of them, so is this "legal"?
>
> anna
>
>  "to keep milk from turning sour: keep it in the cow."
>
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read this post and thought i'd offer my 2 bits. . .

>date:  fri, apr 19, 1996 10:02 am edt
>from:  jh9882a@auvm.american.edu
>wf- why does she want walking shoes, feathered arms, key to
heaven's gate?  maybe walking shoes for the canyon lands, to >walk in
nature and appreciate beauty. but a key to heaven's gate? >sounds like
an escape-is it related to her dreams of immortality?
>

i always thought that this was realted to the line "i wish i was a nomad, an
indian, or saint" walking shoes being related to the wish to be a nomad,
feathered arms related to being an indian, a key to heavens gate being
related to being a saint. i think it all is realted to a's fear of death.
accoring to what she said in the watershed video she isn't afraid of how she
is going to die just that split second when her soul is leaving her body.
kind of the fear of what comes after. i always thought this was sort of a
song about seeking some sort of answers to the fear that is weighing her down
(the stone on her back). looking for "a ghost of comfort" to ease the fear.
seeking reassurance for what is going to happen in the afterlife.

>needle - who is the queen, and why'd she close the door?
>cat that's died,band on the run? what?

i don't know for sure about the queen that closed the door but i heard an
interesting theroy on an ig newsgroup. with queen being another word for a
homosexual someone surmised that it refered to being in the closet. amy
stating "i met the queen and i understand why she closed the door. i'm not
making excuses but i've been there a few times, i was knocking on her door."
meaning that at one time she too was in the closet and can identify but (in
the line's connection with the whole of the song) thinks that people
shouldn't have to be in the closet, that society shouldn't have to be that
way. it also seems to deal with detachment and the way that people get numbed
to all of society ills so to speak. ("we've all been removed in one way or
another. we don't know our families, we don't need our brothers.") kind of
has that sort of attitude of "what the heck is wrong with people and our
society that things have to be that way". . .

well, that's my 2 bits. back to lurking. . .

-catherine

in a message dated 96-04-20 10:00:04 edt, jay writes:

>i think we'll
>all agree though that the bible has played a very strong role in a lot
>of amy's songs, mostly in jonas and eziekial of course, but
>you can see it in other songs too.

uuuuhhhhh....you mean "prince of darkness" is actually about
the artist formerly known as satan ?????????
bah ! :)
claire
"the virgin mary told me to do it in a vision. "

okay i'm going to risk the wrath of the "ig only" purists
and take this opportunity to draw your attention
to another 60's icon, laura nyro....my evil plan is to raise
awareness in the under 35 crowd so i can obtain some
of those hard to find albums of hers (heh heh). she's more
r&b/pop/jazz than folk, although i've found her in the
folk section in used record stores.
-i guess she would be the "folk" music of manhattan and the bronx.

nyro actually preceded king, writing hits like "and when i die"
"stoney end" and "wedding bell blues" when she was nineteen
years old, and "eli's comin' " "stoned soul picnic" at 20.
her own versions were allways a little too "edgy" for
am radio (which is why i like em !).

she stubbornly folowed her own muse, which garnered the wrath
of the mostly male music industry...lots of rumors about instability
and drug use..typical reaction to a woman who dared to do what
she wanted in the 60's.
she put out 3 albums that turned the art of songwriting on its ear..
"eli and the thirteenth confession", "new york tendaberry" and
"christmas and the beads of sweat" whos influence is heard
from r.lee jones to dire straits and springsteen.

then she put out an album of cover songs honoring her new york
street singin' girl group roots ("gonna take a miracle" with labelle),
and, at the height of her fame.......just walked away from it all....
to a farm in the country....emerging every ten years or so to bring
the gift of her art to the people :) (i just think thats sooo cool :)

with the talk about fugitive and fame and all i thought that nyro's
story was compelling....nyro was notorious in her time and folks
were just falling over themselves to get close to her.
i think she is to be greatly admired for her single minded sense of
herself and her art with a capital "a".

she also did the definitive version of " up on the roof " :)

ta ta !
claire (running for cover...)

"where is the night luster ?
past my trials."
(laura nyro)

"move me, oh sway me
emily
you ornament the earth
for me."
(laura nyro, 1968)

laura nyro homepage -
http://www-unix.oit.umass.edu/~glens/nyro.html

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just wanted to agree with fred ( see below ).... and also say that most people
seem to agree that
- discussing personal gossip = bad
- discussing/understanding sexuality or any other "difference" that from ignorance
can breed fear and hatred = good

it all seems so simple, wish it was, wish it wasn't even an issue, end of waffle.

of course, the people who should be banned from the list ( and whipped with wet
celery.....sorry another story :-) ) are those who say "x days to go to you
know what" ( not that i'm glowing green with envy, of course )...

as for fugitive, hiding from media / fan worship / bigots ? i went to a kate bush
convention once, a bit too intense for me really, it was a fairly small place
( hippodrome, london ) and what was most disconcerting for me was the bouncers that
escorted her. ig make good in the world, a pity there was a need to write fugitive.

have a good weekend and smile at those people in the street
amit

ps oh, and thanks for the ark of the covenant explanation, you see i learnt something
today, growing and learning...

pps and how do get a job counting trees ? there's quite a few ya know...do you
keep count in a log book ? ( sorry....sorry...)

ppps to keep beer from going flat.....:-)

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> let me set a few things straight here:
> 1. i did not bring up the lesbian issue, i was simply responding to
> another postee who was curious.

i brought up the lesbian issue, but it was more of an assumption issue. i was
wondering if it was fact or the folks here was just assumming.

> 3. as far as leaving 8 posts goes, yes in the last couple of days i have
> probably left more posts than anyone else, and i'm sorryu if that
> offends anyone.

the more the marrier. don't you think.

so stay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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hi everyone-
i was recently doing some used record shopping at a store in my hometown,
and i found some interesting records. one was a scarlet rivera (i'm pretty
sure it was her, it was someone who played violin with the ig)-it was solo
record-violin, and the other was a band called orleans, that jerry marotta
was in. they were kinda funny-orleans was from the early 80s, late 70s,
and i don't remember when the scarlet one was (i think the same time).
i didn't buy either though, so i don't know what they sound like.
just thought i'd share-
amanda

you know what?  i might go to the river, or follow
the river.  with sufficient persuasion i might even
go to follow the river.  but under no circumstances
would i "go follow to the river".  i know that sounds
awfully rigid, but i feel pretty strongly about this.

i-girl

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>i hope she jumps in to correct or embellish what i say, but yes,
>it is legal. there is a law...it has a name...

ooops...i forgot to disclaim...
illegal in britain to copy a cd you own for private
use. i guess not in the states then...
there was this show case a couple of years back i
think...

wierd laws...like it's legal here to own bootleg cd's
privately, but not over there...

and other cool bootlegging things are legal here...
as long as they're personal usage...

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from:         kindness <warra5c0@numen.elon.edu>
subject:      re: amy and
x-to:         "jason m. chmielecki (chmielja@nhc.edu)" <chmielja@vax002.nhc.edu>
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they're both united methodist, i believe.... didn't we have this
discussion a few weeks ago?
-mandy

ok, i have to freely admit i am a newcomer(as most of you have already
noticed) and i have a few questions that i hope someone will answer without
getting a bit ticked at having to.

first: does anyone know where to get tickets for nff, and who else is playing?

second: what is the whole bootleg thing about? i am totally lost in the
whole thing, but it sounds pretty cool, and i would love it if someone could
fill me in on it! :o)

third: does anyone know where i can find blue flood(or is it blue food? ive
heard both), shades of indigo(most interested in this for special ig
memories), color me grey, reverse 1, ep, making movies, tame yourself,
purple parrot(ive never seen one<--a parrot i mean), don't eat out of dented
cans(or something to that effect anyway), ben & jerry's newport folk fest
'90. please! i would really love a copy of these!seems that everytime i walk
into a music store and ask for any of these i just get a bunch of wierd
looks. anyone with info on where i can get any of them, please, email me!!!!

well, that seems to be all for now. thanx for putting up with my questions!

peace love and good music,
tiff

i beliefve that the ig's are lesbians. when i was origianally
>> introduced to them by my freind lisa up in buffalo (galilieo, by the
way.....)
>> she told me that they were, and she's probably the biggest fan of them
i've
>> ever come in contact with. in fact, i kinda got the impression that amy
and michelle had had a relationship in the past that hadn't worked out. check
>> out your cd cover of the original ig release

ahhh...exuse me but, who the hell cares???? do you like them? do you enjoy
their music? if you answered yes to the above questions you are probably an
ig fan and their sexual orientation should not be an issue! i'm sorry to
yell, but you hit a sore spot in a few of us on this list. 40, or so, years
ago people said: "well, i like nat king cole, but,well you know, he's black."
this kind of opression is inherent in politics, government, education, etc.
a&e's sexual preference (gay or otherwise) is not an issue with me; i enjoy
their music. close your eyes and hear the music - forget the rest!

respectfully,

annie :) (who's been in a
really lousy mood lately)

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date:         sat, 20 apr 1996 19:51:12 mst
reply-to:     susan marine <smarine@cc.colorado.edu>
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from:         susan marine <smarine@cc.colorado.edu>
subject:      nigc nigc nigc....desperately seeking joanna gerstelle

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am so in need of contacting her! please !!!

thanks
susan

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date:         sat, 20 apr 1996 22:06:34 -0400
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subject:      free food at mcdonalds...

i know, i'm the first one to whine about inappropriate posts but this
one can result in you getting free food!!! with no catch!

check out http://www.storms.com/
(and http://mason.gmu.edu/%7espietruc/disney.htm if it's not there)
for 1000's of answers to the mcdonalds/disney trivia questions.

and just for thought, think of the implications of answers on-line like
this, it really increases the chances of winning...

gary

gary j lapointe
gary@ah3.cal.msu.edu
http://web.cal.msu.edu/gary/

we've got two lives, the one we're given and the other one we make
-- mcc (the hard way)

link 'o the week - http://www.sci.tamucc.edu/~pmichaud/toast/

in a message dated 96-04-20 23:39:52 edt, indigo412 writes:

<< subj:        re: free food at mcdonalds...
date:   96-04-20 23:39:52 edt
from:   indigo412
to:     gary@ah3.cal.msu.edu

in a message dated 96-04-20 22:05:41 edt, you write:

> know, i'm the first one to whine about inappropriate posts but this
>one can result in you getting free food!!! with no catch!
>
>check out http://www.storms.com/
>(and http://mason.gmu.edu/%7espietruc/disney.htm if it's not there)
>for 1000's of answers to the mcdonalds/disney trivia questions.
>
>and just for thought, think of the implications of answers on-line like
>this, it really increases the chances of winning...
>
>gary
>
>
>gary j lapointe
>gary@ah3.cal.msu.edu
>http://web.cal.msu.edu/gary/

uh, sort of on the same subject, y'all....what's the deal with oprah saying
she wasn't eating any meat b/c of mad cow disease?

as for me and my stomach, we will serve veggie burgers.

bleeech, dead cow sandwiches.

- $0.2 from lorie, emily's side, row 13, seat 11 (or thereabouts) >>

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subj:    re: free food at mcdonalds...
date:    96-04-20 23:39:52 edt
from:    indigo412
to:      gary@ah3.cal.msu.edu

in a message dated 96-04-20 22:05:41 edt, you write:

uh, sort of on the same subject, y'all....what's the deal with oprah saying
she wasn't eating any meat b/c of mad cow disease?

as for me and my stomach, we will serve veggie burgers.

bleeech, dead cow sandwiches.

- $0.2 from lorie, emily's side, row 13, seat 11 (or thereabouts)

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