lifeblood: listlogs: 1996-04d


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date:         sun, 21 apr 1996 00:36:40 -0500
reply-to:     worthy <worthy@iadfw.net>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         worthy <worthy@iadfw.net>
subject:      it's bound to happen

you know you are getting old.   was at a party tonight and mentioned
ig as a band to play on the cd player.  received back a comment that
basically said, "oh yeah, i remember them".

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date:         sun, 21 apr 1996 11:38:59 -0400
reply-to:     lbrown9787@aol.com
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from:         lbrown9787@aol.com
subject:      limited igc-ani in portsmouth and sara lee

so last night i saw ani difranco in portsmout, nh and sara lee is playing
with her these days (that is how it relates to ig-see i made the connection)
*duck* and she just rocked so hard and i just had to share. anyone who wants
to hear details can surely e-mail me. on another tangent, does anyone know if
she has a mailing list anything like this? candid reviews of said mailing
list so i know if i would like it would also be very cool. thanks for letting
me babble...hah, you really have no say in it, do you?

:)

peace,

larissa

"imagine you're a girl just trying to come clean, knowing full well they'd
prefer you were dirty and smiling..."-ani difranco

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date:         sun, 21 apr 1996 13:34:32 -0400
reply-to:     randy rohrer <rohrer@seas.gwu.edu>
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from:         randy rohrer <rohrer@seas.gwu.edu>
subject:      re: 32 phrases and then some

i-girl (iggy@hopper.library.nwu.edu)
takes a rigid socio-politico stance:
>you know what?  i might go to the river, or follow
>the river.  with sufficient persuasion i might even
>go to follow the river.  but under no circumstances
>would i "go follow to the river".  i know that sounds
>awfully rigid, but i feel pretty strongly about this.

  yes, but i'll bet given the correct agricultural and
climatic conditions you would "go *fallow* to the river".
sometimes we have no choice in such matters.
sometimes it's a matter of survival even for a true mystic
such as i-girl.

- randy bud melman

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date:         sun, 21 apr 1996 15:22:41 -0400
reply-to:     mtngrl6@aol.com
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from:         mtngrl6@aol.com
subject:      happy birthday!!!!  (april 21, 1996)
x-cc:         karey@u.washington.edu

happy birthday karey!!!

"...oh i'm just a mirror of a mirror of myself the things that i do the next
time i fall i'm going to have to recall it isn't love it's only something
new"


karey @u.washington.edu
"least complicated"
* :) *

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date:         sun, 21 apr 1996 15:25:22 -0400
reply-to:     ncrobino@aol.com
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from:         ncrobino@aol.com
subject:      ig '96 list shirts!!!  read!  input needed!

hey guys and gals!
quick thought.....
i have the resources to do a 1996 list shirt if enough people are interested.
so, what i would need is some sort of design.  we could do the
"folkisgruven" moto again, with some sort of a simple graphic....
well, let me know.  everyone, please write me and let me know if you would be
interested in becoming a part of the t-shirt team...or if you would order one
when they are ready.  if i get a good response....we'll do it!
so start thinking of a design for the shirts and mail me with your ideas,
graphics, etc.  i think that simple is the key!  lets get some input!
thanks ya'll!
rob augino
ncrobino@aol.com

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date:         sun, 21 apr 1996 15:15:36 -0500
reply-to:     shelley dianne shay <shelley@jove.acs.unt.edu>
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from:         shelley dianne shay <shelley@jove.acs.unt.edu>
subject:      re: ig '96 list shirts!!! ==> my design
x-to:         ncrobino@aol.com
in-reply-to:  <960421152520_474852809@emout17.mail.aol.com>

i'm all for the list t-shirt.  i got inspired by the idea and made a
quick little graphic for it... just an idea... check it out and see
whatcha think...

you can view it at:

http://www.unt.edu/~shelley/ig/igshirt.jpg

later,
-shelley

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|+|     http://www.unt.edu/~shelley     |+|
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date:         sun, 21 apr 1996 17:56:15 edt
reply-to:     lorinda wright <lw01@lehigh.edu>
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from:         lorinda wright <lw01@lehigh.edu>
subject:      i'm baaaack

bet you guys missed me, didn't you? i've been avoiding the list lately
(nothing personal, really) because i've been immersing myself in my ph.d.
dissertation, which, as of _right_now_ is essentially done. it even includes
some igc. :) (which is a pretty impressive stretch considering the fact that
it's about biochemistry.) i included a page of quotations including the entire
text of watershed, and the entire text of world falls. i had to get one from
each of 'em, and i want to thank all of you who wrote me with suggestions on
which songs i should quote. i also mentioned them in my acknowledgements
thusly: "i cannot bein to express my gratitude to amy and emily for their
immeasurable gift of inspiration."
short, but true.
i might send them notice of their inclusion in my dissertation, _if_ i thought
they'd ever even see it, which brings me to the next subject:

i'm now officially sure that _someone_ reads the ig fan snail mail, and email.
they don't read it quickly, and they don't necessarily read it _well_, but
someone does read it. my clues:

i have sent a total of three letters via snail mail to the fan club for
various reasons. last fall, i was receiving _3_ of each of their mailings for
a while. one for each of the letters i had sent. meaning, they had recieved
the letters, and filed away my address 3 times without bothering to notice
that there were three of me. (_three_ lorindigo's??!! oh good lord!)

_and_ last fall (about 6 months ago) i sent them an email notifying them of
this oversight. (i was being nice and trying to save them postage). yesterday,
i recieved a _single_ mailing from them. it was a simple merchandise order
form. nothing exciting. but the fact that i only got _one_ of them means that
_someone_ down there is paying attention. :) they're just a tad slow, but they
_are_ there.

people have often wondered about this, so there ya go.

folkisgruven,
lorindigo
driving...

    i           will            not        be               complacent
lorinda wright           "learn to pretend there's more than love that
lw01@lehigh.edu           matters. -e.s.
lehigh university         "and i drove out of there with no one behind
bethlehem, pa             me. i was feeling funny and free. -a.r.
    i           will            not         be              complacent

so if i am not who you thought i was, well hello it's nice to meet you.
willing to wait. i will survive. i will love every minute of my life. i will
not concede. i will believe. -melissa ferrick

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date:         sun, 21 apr 1996 15:19:24 -0700
reply-to:     laurie higgins <stompbox@ix.netcom.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
comments:     rfc822 error: <w> cc field duplicated. last occurrence was
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from:         laurie higgins <stompbox@ix.netcom.com>
subject:      re: gee brain, what are we going to do tonight???
x-cc:         uglybass@mindspring.com

you wrote:


>
>---------- forwarded message ----------
>
>>
>> same thing we do every night pinky, try to take over the world!
>>
>>
>>                                    ,.   '\'\    ,---.
>>                                   |  \\  l\\l_ //   |
>>                                   |  \\/ '/  '.|    |
>>      /~\\            //~\        | y |   |   ||  y |
>>       |   \\          //  |       |  \|   |   |\ /  |
>>       [    ||        ||   ]        \   |  o|o  | >  /
>>       ] y  ||        ||  y          \___\_--_ /_/__/   narf!
>>       |  \_|l,------.l|_/           /.-\(____) /--.\
>>       |   >'          '<            '--(______)----'
>>       \_ (/~'--____--'~\)               u// u /
>>          >-__________-<_-'             / \  / /|
>>            /(_#(__)#_)\               ( .) / / ]
>>            \___/__\___/                '.'' /   [
>>             /__'--'__\                   |'-'    |
>>          /\(__,>-~~ __)                 |       |__
>>       /\//\\(  '--~~ )                 _l       |--:.
>>       '\/  <^\      /^>                |  '   (  <   \\
>>            _\ >-__-< /_              ,-\  ,-~~->. \   ':.___,/
>>            (___\    /___)           (____/    (____)    '---'
>>
>> pinky and the brain need your help.  in order for them to take over
the
>> world, you must send this letter to at least five other people.
while
>> they are reading this message pinky and the brain will be tying
their
>> shoe laces to the chair, and soon the entire population will be
stuck at
>> their computers.  if you do this simple tasks for the brain he may
spare
>> you after his conquest.
>


........sorry about that, but you know how chain letters are.. :)

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date:         sun, 21 apr 1996 18:31:22 -0400
reply-to:     chmielja@vax002.nhc.edu
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "jason m. chmielecki (chmielja@nhc.edu)" <chmielja@vax002.nhc.edu>
subject:      replies

        okay, one more time:
1. i don't care about a&e's sexual orientation, i am bisexual
myself.
2. i agree with annie that believing someone can't create good music
simply becasue they are gay, or black, or whatever, is absolutely
ludicrous.
3. i would apprieciate it very mush if my mail regarding the sexual
oreintation of a&e would not be used anymore as the official offense
post by those who were offended by it. i was answering a question when
i posted that list. not making a personal statement or a moral judgement.

                                        jay

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date:         sun, 21 apr 1996 20:13:51 -0400
reply-to:     kindness <warra5c0@numen.elon.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         kindness <warra5c0@numen.elon.edu>
subject:      definitely nigc!.. just more questions....

if you don't want to give advice having to do with various sexualities,
then delete now....

ok, lets say that i, a straight woman, heard through the grapevine that a
previous boyfriend of mine could be bisexual.  i still love him.  would
it be really stupid and pointless to try and put the moves on him this
summer?  i know that this kind of thing depends, but...  anyone with insight?
thanks, i owe y'all a lot for advising me...
-mandy

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date:         sun, 21 apr 1996 20:36:35 -0400
reply-to:     deborah gordon <dgord02@emory.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         deborah gordon <dgord02@emory.edu>
subject:      lori levy
in-reply-to:  <pine.hpp.3.91.960421200927.12724d-100000@numen.elon.edu>

dear lori,
please e-mail me or call me about the tickets to the jazz fest!
i've got a hotel room,so i need to know about the tickets.
i don't have your phone number.
please call.
deb

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date:         sun, 21 apr 1996 21:26:15 -0400
reply-to:     nlyng@prolog.net
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from:         nlyng@prolog.net
subject:      norleans/la quinta

hey,

just wondering if anyone staying at the la quinta is interested in meeting up?

drop me a personal line if you are.....

:)

eric

ps- i'll have a mini-van if anyone needs transportation to the
shows/festival/etc.

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date:         sun, 21 apr 1996 21:57:12 -0400
reply-to:     bradley mockabee <bmocka11@calvin.edu>
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from:         bradley mockabee <bmocka11@calvin.edu>
subject:      new guy on the digest

hey everybody, i'm a new guy on the list, and i wondered if somebody
could give me some quick info. as to what the indigo girls are up to
right now.  are they making another album?  are they touring?  e-mail me
privately or on the digest.  thanks!

brad

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date:         mon, 22 apr 1996 00:12:10 -0400
reply-to:     ncrobino@aol.com
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from:         ncrobino@aol.com
subject:      the volkswagon font.

anyone got it?  i need the font from the farfegnugen(sp) ad.  thanks
rob

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date:         sun, 21 apr 1996 22:20:53 -0700
reply-to:     verdi@imap2.asu.edu
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         verdi@imap2.asu.edu
subject:      re: hope yall enjoy this :) (fwd)
in-reply-to:  <pine.d-g.3.91.960421162254.23330a-100000@cactus.cac.cc.az.us>

on sun, 21 apr 1996, student - central arizona college wrote:

>
>
> ---------- forwarded message ----------
> date: thu, 18 apr 1996 18:02:51 -0700 (mst)
> from: sarah shutt - student <sss9476@cactus.cac.cc.az.us>
> to: rhett van der voort <r.vandervoort@student.utwente.nl>,
>     menno van rijn <vanrijn@augsburg.edu>,
>     sarah fisher - student <sjf0554@cactus.cac.cc.az.us>,
>     ray card <rcard@lakers.lssu.edu>,
>     student - central arizona college <smo6619@cactus.cac.cc.az.us>
> subject: hope yall enjoy this :) (fwd)
>
>
>
> ---------- forwarded message ----------
> date: thu, 18 apr 1996 19:04:53 -0600
> from: ugmnhm5545@mtvms2.mtech.edu
> to: sss9476@cactus.cac.cc.az.us, relsiba@primenet.com, oaprop@mail.wm.edu,
>     cameronn@cin.gov.au, lnhughes@beachnet.gen.ca.us, eek@knmi.nl,
>     vjohnson@vax1.rain.gen.mo.us, benner@thunder.indstate.edu,
>     echeaney@iastate.edu, kyraan@udel.edu
> subject: hope yall enjoy this :)
>
> from: smtp%"jmharris@po3.mtech.edu" 18-apr-1996 16:00:11.01
> to:   heather libby <0201611@acad.nwmissouri.edu>,        sandi mitchem <12smitchem@gallua.gallaudet.edu>,        stefanie erickson <ugcsse2150@mtvms2.mtech.edu>,        lissa roselli <ugenlr6823@mtvms2.mtech.edu>,        heather mcloren <ugmnhm5545@mtvms2.mtec
> cc:
> subj: enjoy!!
>
>
>
>  ----------
> from: ugesjl4411
> to: jmharris
> subject: i hate these damned things!
> date: wednesday, april 17, 1996 5:17pm
>
>
>
>
>      twenty reasons why chocolate is better than sex:
>
>      1)  you can get chocolate.
>      2)  "if you love me you'll swallow that" has real meaning with
>      chocolate.
>      3)  chocolate satisfies even when it has gone soft.
>      4)  you can safely have chocolate while you are driving.
>      5)  you can make chocolate last as long as you want it to.
>      6)  you can have chocolate even in front of your mother.
>      7)  if you bite the nuts too hard the chocolate won't mind.
>      8)  two people of the same sex can have chocolate without being called
>      nasty names.
>      9)  the word "commitment" doesn't scare off chocolate.
>      10) you can have chocolate on top of your workbench/desk during
>      working hours without upsetting your coworkers.
>      11) you can ask a stranger for chocolate without getting your face
>      slapped.
>      12) you don't get hairs in your mouth with chocolate.
>      13) with chocolate there's no need to fake it.
>      14) chocolate doesn't make you pregnant.
>      15) you can have chocolate at any time of the month.
>      16) good chocolate is easy to find.
>      17) you can have as many kinds of chocolate as you can handle.
>      18) you are never too young or too old for chocolate.
>      19) when you have chocolate it does not keep your neighbors awake.
>      20) with chocolate size doesn't matter.
>
>      ***send this to 5 people or your heart will be broken in the next 24
>      hours. this has been proven to work.  it has traveled around the world
>      50 times in the past 2 weeks, and over 300 couples have broken up.
>      so, if you have ever wanted to fall in love, or if you want to keep
>      whatever you have now going, all i gotta say is get to sendin'...***
> ================== rfc 822 headers ==================
> return-path: jmharris@po3.mtech.edu
> received: by mtvms2.mtech.edu (ucx v3.3 vax)
>       thu, 18 apr 1996 15:56:03 -0600
> received: by mtunx2.mtech.edu (5.65/dec-ultrix/4.3)
>       id aa11076; thu, 18 apr 1996 15:56:02 -0600
> received: by mtmgw1.mtech.edu with microsoft mail
>       id <3176ba1d@mtmgw1.mtech.edu>; thu, 18 apr 96 15:54:37 mdt
> from: jacob m harris <jmharris@po3.mtech.edu>
> to: heather libby <0201611@acad.nwmissouri.edu>,
>         sandi mitchem <12smitchem@gallua.gallaudet.edu>,
>         stefanie erickson <ugcsse2150@mtvms2.mtech.edu>,
>         lissa roselli <ugenlr6823@mtvms2.mtech.edu>,
>         heather mcloren <ugmnhm5545@mtvms2.mtech.edu>,
>         'pooky' <ugstmd0539@mtvms2.mtech.edu>
> subject: enjoy!!
> date: thu, 18 apr 96 15:53:00 mdt
> message-id: <3176ba1d@mtmgw1.mtech.edu>
> encoding: 43 text
> x-mailer: microsoft mail v3.0
>
>
>

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date:         mon, 22 apr 1996 01:32:32 -0400
reply-to:     gary l <gary@ah3.cal.msu.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         gary l <gary@ah3.cal.msu.edu>
subject:      re: ig '96 list shirts!!! ==> my design

>i'm all for the list t-shirt.  i got inspired by the idea and made a
>quick little graphic for it... just an idea... check it out and see
>whatcha think...
>http://www.unt.edu/~shelley/ig/igshirt.jpg

i like it, this on the front and a folkisgruven on the back!

where do i order?
gary


gary j lapointe
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http://web.cal.msu.edu/gary/

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                        -- quinn mallory

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date:         sun, 21 apr 1996 22:28:57 -0700
reply-to:     verdi@imap2.asu.edu
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from:         verdi@imap2.asu.edu
subject:      opps

that last message about sexual chocolate was from me. sorry if i offended
anyone:( i was really feeling,well, sorry for myself about a certain
relationship i wish to obtain and this made me grin.i enjoyed the chain
letter bit of it too. i just kept thinking to myself "too late!".
have a great sunday,
ben

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date:         mon, 22 apr 1996 01:45:20 -0400
reply-to:     mmedido@aol.com
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         mmedido@aol.com
subject:      attn: neil hunt !!!

"everybody in the house say ghost !!!"
niel, neil, neil...you are too much !!!!!!
absolutely faboo !!!!!
(sounded a lot like cwa...{some very nasty girlies})
just got my indigo comp and love it !!!!
thanks for a great job, well done and all that !!!!!!!
who are you anyway ? i wasn't sure so i'm blabbin' this to the list :/
while i'm posting to the list....congratulations to everyone
who contributed to indicated 3 on a job well done !
love it !!!
ta ta !
claire
(aka "devil monkey")
[just kidding, but it's a kinda neet nickname, aint it ?]

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date:         sun, 21 apr 1996 22:48:25 -0700
reply-to:     "karen a. vittek" <kvittek@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "karen a. vittek" <kvittek@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
subject:      chickenman stream of consciousness compilation update!

hi everyone!  this is my last soc update, so listen up!  *grin*

if anyone wants to send me a chickenman stream of consciousness, please try
to do it soon!  first of all, i'm dying for some new stuff to read and
second of all, i'd like to have as many as possible to the web page admin.
before i leave in june!  thanks. just send it to me with the show date and
venue in the subject line!  i've posted a couple of times the list that i
currently have, but if you're thinking of sending me one and can't remember
the list, please double check with me to make sure i don't have it yet.

if you still want copies of the socs i have, feel free to send me an email
with soc request as the subject line.  i'll still have them on my account
until i leave in june.

and speaking of web pages, these socs will appear hopefully in the next few
months on the awesome lifeblood web page (of course i don't have the address
in front of me, if anyone needs it, email me and i'll look it up) so stay
tuned!!

and thanks to everyone who has contributed to the pile so far!  more people
than i ever thought possible have donated their time to this compilation!
so thanks for your hard work!  go buy yourselves some ben and jerry's or
something. ;)

s'later

k

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date:         mon, 22 apr 1996 02:35:03 -0400
reply-to:     mmedido@aol.com
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         mmedido@aol.com
subject:      secret codes in songs

since there has been a bit of interest in who is and who isn't,
i thought that i would share this secret code so folks can tell
if the singer they are listening to is a lesbian or not.
normally we don't divulge our secret signals, but in the interest
of world peace i will share this tidbit with you...

fire

yep that's right ..fire... any song that has a reference to fire in it
means that the singer is a big ol' lesbian......it's true.
so now the secret is out...johnny cash is (of course) a lesbian.
as is bruce springsteen
and elvis.

but then everyone already knew that...didn't they ?

claire (diablito mono)

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reply-to:     k645501b@edinboro.edu
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from:         k645501b@edinboro.edu
subject:      nigc_ just my honest opinion

i realize that this is a non moderated forum, however, this is also a forum
that i can come to to discuss a&e and thier music, and find out what it means
to others and discuss what it means to me.  i also can get information on
concerts they are goiung to be performing at and other groups that are related
to tehm in one way or another. (ie: disappear fear, kristen hall, catie curtis,
mary chapin carpenter, etc.)
it so
it sort of annoys me when i log on after a brief respite with my collge work to
see the place aflame with talk of sexual preference and if people should be
putting the moves on their former bisexual lovers.  i am the least homophobic
human i know, trust me, nearly all of my friends are gay or bi, but this is not
a forum to discuss sexuality, lister's or a&e's.  this is a forum to discuss
music of the indigo girls and what kind of influence they have had upon us,
their fan, and the things and world we live in.  sure, a&e's music says someti
something different to us all, and if you are gay, then it affects you that way.but this is not the place to discuss who you should be putting the moves on or
amy and emily's lives.  if you have to ask these questions or want to discuss
these things, do so privately, not in a forum designed for the discussion of
ig.  this is not the place to discuss anyone's sex life unless it has been
affected by a&e in some way.  this is a place for the coming together of ig
fans everywhere to discuss ig and what their music means to us, the fan.

hope i haven't stepped on any toes.  but is the list so mundane we must
resort to discussing sex?  music talk here, "bar talk" in the bar.
we could talk about five thousand other things that a&e have influenced,
like the environment (happy earth day!!:-)) or the native americans.....


later-ity doesn't make you you, you
kar


               "sexuality doesn't make you you,
                   you make you you......"
                           -corbin fowler

                "water retention is not new to me...."
                           -emily saliers

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reply-to:     greg matthew flamer <gflame@nwu.edu>
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from:         greg matthew flamer <gflame@nwu.edu>
subject:      sex! ohmigod that's not ig related

kar wrote at a god awful time of morning:

>it sort of annoys me when i log on after a brief respite with my collge work to
>see the place aflame with talk of sexual preference and if people should be
>putting the moves on their former bisexual lovers.

ok--i rarely chime in on such discussions about what should and shouldn't
be posted but feel the need to on this one.  the subject line of the
message being refered to read:

> definitely nigc!.. just more questions....

then the first few lines of the message read:

>if you don't want to give advice having to do with various sexualities,
>then delete now....

now i agree with the idea that certain items should be taken to private
email after an initial nigc posting.  but you had two warnings telling you
the post was nigc and yet you still managed to read on and find out the
content of the message.  it would have taken a lot less time to delete, as
i do so very often, right after reading the subject lines.  that would
eliminate further posts like yours about what should be posted and others
like mine here responding to you.  it's a very simple system.  as stated,
the list is unmoderated and people are going to post what they want
regardless of what others feel is appropriate.  so the messages that annoy
me most are the ones saying the list should be about..blah blah blah.  the
list is about what the members make it about.  if you don't want to read
about nigc stuff don't read it.  i have that little message that says:
"you haven't read those messages.  trash anyway?"  burned into my computer
screen because i delete so much stuff before reading it.  but the stuff i
delete is of interest to some people obviously.  so if you don't like it
don't read it.  and to those of you have to pay for each message--get a
better server!  :-)  nuff said.

" we must sink the censorship...tonight!!!"--df

happy earth day!

greg

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reply-to:     fred welter <fbw5184@nstia1.nsti.tec.tn.us>
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from:         fred welter <fbw5184@nstia1.nsti.tec.tn.us>
subject:      re: nigc_ just my honest opinion

at 03:24 am 4/22/96 -0500, you wrote:
>i realize that this is a non moderated forum,

you are truly correct!

>however, this is also a forum that i can come to to discuss a&e and thier
music,
>and find out what it means to others and discuss what it means to me.

yes, you are correct again!

>it sort of annoys me when i log on after a brief respite with my collge work to
>see the place aflame with talk of sexual preference and if people should be
>putting the moves on their former bisexual lovers.

yup, it annoys me as well.

>but this is not a forum to discuss sexuality, lister's or a&e's.

now wait a minute, you said in the beginning that this forum is to discuss
a&e, doesnt thier sexuality count. i mean since it is a part of them why
can't we discuss it.  i rather talk about thier music, but i am not going to
post a message demanding that we only talk about certain aspects of a&e
lives.  this is an open forum about the indigo girls isnt it?  i see nothing
wrong with discussing thier sexual orientation.  maybe that the fact the igs
are lesbians changed someones "homophobic" mind about gays.

now with the bisexual lover message, do what i did: read it then delete it.
i did that with the garth brooks bashing and i did it with the inny and outy
snippettee.  if you respond to messages like that, the longer that thread
will grow.

>hope i haven't stepped on any toes.

well you did by telling me i should only discuss certain topics about the
igs. it's like stating in a women's issue listserv: you can talk about
everything but not abortion.  if i were gay and someone told me i couldn't
talk about amy's gay pride i would be pissed.  now before i get flamed i
just want to make this one point.  like my other post, this is not a gay
issue to me, this issue is about someone trying to direct me on what i can
or can not say about the igs.

>we could talk about five thousand other things that a&e have influenced,
>like the environment (happy earth day!!:-)) or the native americans.....

go on...did you want to bring up something those interesting topics or did
you just want to complain? one thing  i learned from listening to the igs is
dont complain do something about it. so what is it that you would like to
say about the igs and the environment or native americans?

"hope i haven't stepped on any toes."

fred welter

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reply-to:     amit gandhi <101624.416@compuserve.com>
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from:         amit gandhi <101624.416@compuserve.com>
subject:      re: ig '96 list shirts!!!

happy monday all

thanks shelley for the
>http://www.unt.edu/~shelley/ig/igshirt.jpg

like the "ig" but how about something a bit more cryptic ?  with no "indigo girls"
anywhere on it, how about a lone coyote with a "moo" speech bubble ?
and definitely gary's folksisgruven !

amit

"the more i see, the more i know,
the more i know, the less i understand"
paul weller

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reply-to:     neily <ph21nh@surrey.ac.uk>
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from:         neily <ph21nh@surrey.ac.uk>
subject:      re: attn: neil hunt !!!
x-to:         mmedido@aol.com

>"everybody in the house say ghost !!!"
>neil, neil, neil...you are too much !!!!!!
>absolutely faboo !!!!!

you know...there are a lot of people out there who
have absolutely no clue what you're talking about...
but, if you insist...:) it is kinda cool...

>(sounded a lot like cwa...{some very nasty girlies})

does that stand for what i think it stands for?? :)

>who are you anyway ? i wasn't sure so i'm blabbin' this to the list :/

just some psycho english guy...

>while i'm posting to the list....congratulations to everyone
>who contributed to indicated 3 on a job well done !

i'd second that, but i don't have a copy (and neither
does my us associate....(associate?!?)) but i'm sure
it's as cool as ever...

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date:         mon, 22 apr 1996 13:33:58 gmt
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from:         helene burningham <h.burningham@ulst.ac.uk>
organization: university of ulster
subject:      just a little story...

hello there...

something really cool happened this weekend.  i've been trying to
teach myself the guitar for a year or so now, and feel like i'm
getting nowhere fast, but i was round a friends one evening, having a
few strums on their guitar (a proper, really nice one), playing the
chords to joking, when one of the guys in the room sings a few lines
to it.  to say i was completely bowled over is an understatement...i
mean finding someone who actually knows an ig song is one thing but
to recognise it from what i was playing is just incredible.  i spent
the rest of the weekend on a very high 'high', playing my guitar
loads...well, i know i'll never be a great rock star, but i can
always dream can't i?!!  watched watershed a couple of times just to
fuel my dreams...and bring me back to reality.
it just has to be said everytime i hear or see anything ig-ified...
aren't they damn fine or what!

talk to y'all later

love helene

of
"steer clear of the shore,
the coast is rough and rocky"   kate wolf

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from:         "jason m. chmielecki (chmielja@nhc.edu)" <chmielja@vax002.nhc.edu>
subject:      sexuality

        okay, i have to dissagree with kar on this one. i think
that the sexuality of we ig fans is a very important topic, it allows
us to understand thier music on an even deeper level if we discuss the
sexuality question, theirs or ours.
                                        later,
                                                happyjay

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reply-to:     sharon parker <sparke61@maine.maine.edu>
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from:         sharon parker <sparke61@maine.maine.edu>
subject:      running out of things to say

maybe, folks, we are running out of things to say about the indigo girls...
could it be true??
well, after reading the barrage of posts that have been coming in i have
to say that it does appear that we have exhausted all of the "safe"
topics we are allowed to discuss as well as some of the taboo ones as
well...
   here are my thoughts on this!
  i don't see why we can't wander off the assigned subject of ig once in
awhile like many of us do anyway and talk about ourselves or other listers
and just communicate once in awhile. i like the jokes i find in here
sometimes or the bios or the questions that people have. if i don't have
time to read it all then i simply glance at the headings and delete any
post that doesn't do anything for me.
    we are here, of course, to discuss the greatest music around,  but
aren't we also here to connect with others who have similar interests,
even if the only thing we may have in common is our love for indigo girls
music?  i think that by reaching out to one another despite the distances
between many of us and becoming friends with folks we might never have
met otherwise is honoring the spirit of the music and performers we all
claim to love best,and at the same time creating a global community.
  so, for those of you who are grumpy about the subjects of the posts
you've been receiving i ask you to relax and either use the opportunity
to get to know your neighbors or learn to use the delete button.
      enough preaching for one day!
       this is the only time i'll be this serious and only because one
of my profs preached at us today to try to find the good in everyone
instead of always looking at what we perceive as bad...i'll bet he's
a closet ig fan!
                   sharon
   and for those who were speculating on the meaning of a certain line
from "123" the words are "now how long can you be agile, dancing between
the altar and the mercy seat"  not author...

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from:         rhonda hoffmeyer <hoff@tusco.net>
subject:      re: guess who i like
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hi from another carol king fan.  very talented songwriter and singer!!

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reply-to:     gary l <gary@ah3.cal.msu.edu>
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from:         gary l <gary@ah3.cal.msu.edu>
subject:      sorta list ettiquite (was re: sexuality)

>        okay, i have to dissagree with kar on this one. i think
>that the sexuality of we ig fans is a very important topic, it allows
>us to understand thier music on an even deeper level if we discuss the
>sexuality question, theirs or ours.
i agree!

just a thought on lists and topics we like/don't like

depending on the mailing list i'm on, i think of it as sorta two things:
        1) a business meeting
        2) a party

in real life (rl) i've learned if i don't like a conversation at a party, i
just move around the room a little and get into some other conversation.  a
party is for fun and no one is really looking for a bad time so just have
fun!

at a business meeting, you aren't there to have fun, basically you just
want to get the hell out (especially if there isn't any donunts).  you try
not to piss anyone off too bad, 'cause you might need a favor tomarrow.
generally someone presents something and wants some input, they don't want
you to completely redo it for them, that's what the comitte you didn't
volunteer for was for. so basically if you don't like what someone says you
might offer your two cents and then basically keep your mouth shut and move
on to the next topic, or better yet, just skip this meeting next week.

either way if you don't like it, you can ignore it.  that's what most
people do.  if not you somehow end up being the jerk that no one wants at
the party or at work.  you can't force people into what to talk about
unless it's your own party/meeting, and even not then really.

for example:
i posted the "free food at mcdonalds..." message, i know it was
inappropriate, but like i said "it's free food". i got a few slams for it
but actually a lot more praise than not (even an invite to milwaukee to
split a big mac), so i just ignored the slams.  i wasn't selling anything
or making a profit so i thought who do i share this information with?  my
ig-friends of course!

i might even bring such a thing up at a staff meeting, and it's definatly
inappropriate there, but i'd bet a dollar half of them come up to me for
the url sometime during the day!

just my two cents, ignore it if you like!

peace,
gary


gary j lapointe
gary@ah3.cal.msu.edu
http://web.cal.msu.edu/gary/

        "why does it always have to be so hard?"
        "'cause we fall in love with real people, not fantasies..."

link 'o the week - http://www.sci.tamucc.edu/~pmichaud/toast/

gary j lapointe
gary@ah3.cal.msu.edu
http://web.cal.msu.edu/gary/

we've got two lives, the one we're given and the other one we make
                                     -- mcc (the hard way)

link 'o the week - http://www.storms.com/ for mcdisney trivia answers!

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reply-to:     nancy humphries <nancy@rbdc.rbdc.com>
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from:         nancy humphries <nancy@rbdc.rbdc.com>
subject:      jcs video review in ezine

found this in the newsgroup alt.music.indigo-girls
and thought i'd pass it along.

hi everybody -

just a little spam to let you know that the new issue of that fab
electrozine "stomp and stammer" is out, and as always, is located at
http://monsterbit.com/stammer/.

inside this month:
- interviews with: mark eitzel, danielle howle and dew
- reviews of: martin newell, stan ridgway, iggy pop, catfight!, and
shonen knife
- a new music news column called "news leak"
- a review of the "jesus christ superstar-a resurrection" video, starring
the indigo girls and other stars of the atlanta music scene
- a free music giveaway
- and more!

come on over!

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date:         mon, 22 apr 1996 10:30:56 -0400
reply-to:     "keates, harry" <hak@crai.com>
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from:         "keates, harry" <hak@crai.com>
organization: charles river associates
subject:      least complicated question

since it is song of the day, i thought i would ask,

has anyone deciphered the background talk between a & e at the end of the
song, after the na na na's?  it sounds something like...

e:  "... i like it to play it like that ..."  or something to that effect
a:  "you don't want to ..."  i can't remember exactly.

just curious if anyone knows the story behind it. i apologize if this has
been discussed before.

  harry a. keates
  email: hak@crai.com

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from:         mtngrl6@aol.com
subject:      happy birthday!!!  (april 22, 1996)
x-cc:         a-jessio@microsoft.com

happy birthday jessi!!!

"...i used to lie like that alone out on the driveway trying to read the
greek upon the stars the alphabet of feeling..."

a-jessio@microsoft.com
"language or the kiss"
* :) *

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from:         k645501b@edinboro.edu
subject:      nigc- my post at the god awful hour

does anyone want to talk about earth day?  what did everyone do in their
respective cities and areas?  we here in erie, did nothing really, at leastlr
nothing that was advertised.  however, our college campus organized a trash
pickuip for the nearby areas.

as far as my post goes about discussing a and e's sexuality, i have seen and
contributed to many a post in the song of the day posts about why amy wrote
this song, and what woman may have broken her heart, or how emily must have
been affected by someone in order to write this song.  i have no problem
discussing a&e's sexuality whatsoever.  and i also have no problem with
someone saying "amy writing this song made me so empowered to be gay and to be
proud of who i am..." because the song affected them that way.  but i have
a big problem with people who ask questions about putting the moves on someone
who is bisexual on a music forum.  want to discuss a&e and their sexuality and
how it affects their music and the lives of their fan?  fine.  discuss away.
but please don't post a question like that, forty disclaimers or not, to a
music forum.  i come her for intellectual talk of a&e, their music, and what
it means to all listers, not for "bar talk".

as for deleting a post, i get muy post in digest, and you can't just delete
out of the middle of a digest.

karrieng on


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                                 -emily saliers

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date:         mon, 22 apr 1996 08:10:30 -0700
reply-to:     "jessica owen (general)" <a-jessio@microsoft.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "jessica owen (general)" <a-jessio@microsoft.com>
subject:      re: dubbing cds
x-to:         gwen keyt <gkeyt@paul.spu.edu>

the law is the first sale doctrine.  basically, once you go into the
store and buy a cd you can do anything you want with it.  makes tapes,
etc.  as long as you are not making them available for commercial
distribution.

there no more legal mumbo jumbo.  as i was telling gwen yesterday...this
information i have stored in my brain sometimes seems like useless junk.


-jessi

>----------
>from:  gwen keyt[smtp:gkeyt@paul.spu.edu]
>sent:  saturday, april 20, 1996 10:45 am
>to:    multiple recipients of list indigo-girls
>subject:       re: dubbing cds
>
>hey, i was just talking about this with jessi!  (this is her line of
>work).  i hope she jumps in to correct or embellish what i say, but
>yes,
>it is legal.  there is a law...it has a name...i'm sounding really dumb
>right now but we were talking about it and it is legal, even though it
>doesn't sound like it could be.  as long as you don't sell copies of
>your
>tape or make tons of them and give them away, you're cool.  you'll
>probably have to wait until monday to get specifics from jessi, tho,
>unless anyone else out there deals in copyright law and licensing
>acquisition.  (and monday will be jessi's birthday!!!)--gwen
>
>on sat, 20 apr 1996, chickensoprano wrote:
>
>> on sat, 20 apr 1996 michael valenta wrote:
>>
>> > & regarding the issue of used cds:
>> > i think the most serious concern here is the ability to cheaply make
>> > quality copies of cds onto a tape & then sell the cd to a used cd shop.
>> > no royalties to anyone & the seller still has the music on tape.  private
>> > duplication is more of a problem than the resale itself, imho.  i
>>could go
>> > on about this, but i'll spare you...
>>
>> on a somewhat similar tangent, i was wondering about a different type
>> of private duplication of cds onto tapes.  i like to copy my cds onto
>> tapes so i can listen to them in the car.  i don't plan to sell
>> either of them, so is this "legal"?
>>
>> anna
>>
>>  "to keep milk from turning sour: keep it in the cow."
>>
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reply-to:     "christopher m. becker" <cmbecker@space.mit.edu>
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from:         "christopher m. becker" <cmbecker@space.mit.edu>
subject:      nigc & re: sex!

  somedays i'm very tempted to edit the "welcome letter" to add:

        p.s.  yes, they are both lesbians.  so?

then i realize that would cause more problems than it solves, although
it would be personally cathartic. =)

   seriously, its an unmoderated list.  if people just use common
sense regarding what is personal, using the yardsticks of (1) what you
would like revealed about yourself and (2) what a&e would be happy to
read here, that clears up 99% percent of it.  and lets be fair, this
is a mild flare up of this issue compared to some of the versions
we've had in the past.

   applying those yardsticks to the "are a&e gay?" question (short
answer: yes) what do i find?  well, i am personally proud of my
sexuality, i don't mind revealing it to others.  check.  since a&e
have both come out publicly on numerous occasions, they clearly do not
mind if people know.  futhermore, they both are on record saying it
was important to come out (being public figures) so that it would help
foment an atmosphere where other people could do the same.  they would
be, i think, thankful that people who know better would debunk rumors
to the contary or simply answer the question.  check.  the result, i
go ahead and answer the question.

   i get similar results when considering posts about interpreting
their music and their life experiences as gay folk or proud list
members talking about how ig music gave them courage to do something
they otherwise wouldn't have done (e.g. come out, get over a
relationship, escape their graduate advisor [go lorinda!], etc.).

   however, a&e have also said that they want to be know as musicians,
with no adjectives.  they want thier music to speak to people whom
have the courage to be challenged by it.  if i consider a post
that is strictly about a&e's sexuality, leaving the music behind,
i would end up not posting it--i think that starts to intrude.

  now ymmv (your milage may vary) and that is the strength of an
unmoderated list.  i appologize to those have effectively read the
same post for the 4th time in 2.5 years.  also, this is my method for
deterining what i post and what i don't.  there are as many others as
there are people.  i just dislike bickering (and being a mid-timer on
the list, i can see where this is going) and thought i'd offer a
practical suggestion.  its compulsive really, but al-anon is helping. =)

                                -- chris

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subject:      provincetown trip

sorry to take up space, but my email was deleted.  last week someone wrote about
taking a trip to p-town.  please email me with any tips on where to stay, places
to see, etc...  thanks
rhonda

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    does anyone have any tickets they want to sell for the may 4th
show?
        derek shroyer
        dshroyer@nursing.ua.edu

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on mon, 22 apr 1996, greg matthew flamer wrote:

> the list is unmoderated and people are going to post what they want
> regardless of what others feel is appropriate.

true.  but i would hope that at least a few people here would have some
respect for the people they're here to discuss, if not for their fellow list
members.  amy specifically, directly told my partner that she didn't mind the
online ig forums but she would like them to stick to discussion of their
public selves (music, performances, etc.), and not their private lives.  no
one here can censor others, but we should all censor ourselves using a little
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subject:      nigc- earth day activities

hi gang,

someone from erie brought up earth day. well, our campus group the
jbu environmental club got together on saturday and went down to
sager creek which runs through siloam springs, where i go to school.

our group of eight got ten trash bags worth of garbage (including 1
nike basketball shoe, barbed wire, an old tire, a coca cola can circa
1984, etc...) 1 guy named dave was struck by a water moccasin, but
his old black converse all stars saved him. this morning one girl who
was in the creek came up to me and showed me a strange rash she
contracted from the creek. not a good sign.

afterward we drove to tulsa and caught the earthwaves earth day
festival on the arkansas river. we sat through several good bands and
one great one (mellowdramatic wallflowers). peta, eccos and several
other groips had booths. the ironic thing was right across from them
was back yard burger. . . selling juicy cow flesh for all concerned
ecologically minded high schoolers.

i'd be curious in reading about what everyone else did. feel free!

-scholastically yours,
andrew

"there's little relief, burrito supreme"
-toad the wet sprocket

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subject:      used cd's

dear neily et all....

>if i were a painter, and i sold a painting...then two years later,
that painting was resold...i wouldn't get any money from the second
sale...

>so why should cd's be different??

what about if you, neily, the master painter painted a classic, let's
say call it, "starry night."  someone copies it exactly and sells it.
do they owe you royalties?  would you be p---sed off seeing your
artwork on someone's wall without getting credit or cash?

i used to make tapes for people without even thinking about it, but i
am reconsidering my position.

melissa

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>has anyone deciphered the background talk between a & e at the end of the
>song, after the na na na's?  it sounds something like...
>e:  "... i like it to play it like that ..."  or something to that effect
>a:  "you don't want to ..."  i can't remember exactly.
>just curious if anyone knows the story behind it. i apologize if this has
>been discussed before.

i *think* they say something to the effect of:

e: yeah, that's the way i can feel it
a: well you're the one who wrote it...

i don't know for sure either though.  and i think they just left it in
because they were trying to leave in stuff like that (like "all skate, now
reverse")...there was some band one of my english teachers used to rant
about leaving in odd stuff like that and i remember amy said once that this
album reminded her of that band, but i can't remember the name...oh well,
gotta go to class, maybe i'll think of it later...

k

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>happy monday all
happy earth day.

>and definitely gary's folksisgruven !

ahem! *hands on hips, foot tapping*
_who's_ folkisgruven?!?

folkisgruven,
lorindigo (<----- that's _me_)
driving...

    i           will            not        be               complacent
lorinda wright           "learn to pretend there's more than love that
lw01@lehigh.edu           matters. -e.s.
lehigh university         "and i drove out of there with no one behind
bethlehem, pa             me. i was feeling funny and free. -a.r.
    i           will            not         be              complacent

so if i am not who you thought i was, well hello it's nice to meet you.
willing to wait. i will survive. i will love every minute of my life. i will
not concede. i will believe. -melissa ferrick

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k645501b@edinboro.edu wrote:
>
> does anyone want to talk about earth day?  what did everyone do in their
> respective cities and areas?  we here in erie, did nothing really, at leastlr
> nothing that was advertised.  however, our college campus organized a trash
> pickuip for the nearby areas.
>

i plan to sit in a symposium about constructing homes the green way with a friend
who runs a building materials re-use center. i am not much of an eco-warrior but i
am learning.  if anybody lives in the nashville area and want to learn more about
the re-use center their web site is at
http://nstia1.nsti.tec.tn.us/~fbw5184/reuse.html  it was one of the first web
sites i made so dont expect too much. it will be moved and updated in the near
future.
--
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forwarding this from the newsgroup.  an interesting thread. whadda
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- jen hall

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hey there!considering the recent flurry of postings concerning various song
lyrics and such, i just thought i'd "throw my hat" into the discussion and ask
if any of you out there in ig land feel that amy ray has experienced
considerable growth as a songwriter on "swamp ophelia". the other day i was
playing "dead man's hill" on my guitar and i was really taken aback by how
poignant and mature the lyrics were in regards to those memories of childhood
we thought were forgotten but yet have effected us so much that it colors
almost every aspect of our emotional and spiritual selves.i generally perfer
emily sailer's lyrics to amy's since  emily has always stuck me as a more
poignant songwriter while amy is more passionate and obvious.however,i must
admit that amy seems to have acquired the sense for  emotional detail i usually
attribute to emily sailers.any thoughts on this and on the song "dead man's
hill" in particular, would be appreciated!thanks,
                        godspeed,
                        amy la vertu st942147@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
(ps i hope i'm not acting to obsessive about the song lyrics or anything, but
i am an english major so these things are to be expected :-)

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from:         michael messner <mmessner@step.mother.com>
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of course, this would mean that many christian singers are lesbians
too...talking about the fire of the spirit and the lake of fire et al...

wonder how they would react to that??

--mike

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this has been an extremely interesting topic, imo.  i was thinking about
this whole concept of discussion lists and moderation, online nettiquite
in general. it makes sense that we are having so much trouble figuring
out what is okay and what isn't (as probably all of you have figured out
by now, this is not a problem exclusive to our list, but it common among
discussion lists: i.e. i mean the problem of wanting to limit the content
of a discussion list, what's appropriate for discussion etc.)  think
about it:  in just the last couple years the entire industrialized world
has had to learn a completely new form of communication.  we have never
had anything like this before, where an indefinite number of people, the
majority of whom are unknown to the poster, are taking part in a
conversation without any facial or body language to mitigate meaning.
are you with me?  this is revolution in terms of modern communication!

it has taken me a while to figure out that the easiest solution to
avoiding a thread which i find irrelevant or uninteresting is to delete
by subject line, or when that doesn't work, as soon as i discover the
topic of the post.  it becomes more tricky when the thread seems
offensive or unacceptable in some way.  but we should be aware that there
are no social norms for this type of communication, we are all learning
as we go along.  let's try to be patient with one another, and learn
together, rather than trying to flame a person off the list, or get
overly stressed out about the whole thing.

this really isn't a response to any particular posting, but my own "soc"
on the concept. i realize this is random and vague and my mind is rather
mushy anyway this monday morning, but thanks for bearing with me.  my
main point is this:  who knows what's okay and what's not for posting??--gwen

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>forwarding this from the newsgroup.  an interesting thread. whadda
>think?
>
> - jen hall
>

>hey there!considering the recent flurry of postings concerning various song
>lyrics and such, i just thought i'd "throw my hat" into the discussion and ask
>if any of you out there in ig land feel that amy ray has experienced
>considerable growth as a songwriter on "swamp ophelia". the other day i was
>playing "dead man's hill" on my guitar and i was really taken aback by how
>poignant and mature the lyrics were in regards to those memories of childhood
>we thought were forgotten but yet have effected us so much that it colors
>almost every aspect of our emotional and spiritual selves.i generally perfer
>emily sailer's lyrics to amy's since  emily has always stuck me as a more
>poignant songwriter while amy is more passionate and obvious.however,i must
>admit that amy seems to have acquired the sense for  emotional detail i usually
>attribute to emily sailers.any thoughts on this and on the song "dead man's
>hill" in particular, would be appreciated!thanks,
>                        godspeed,
>                        amy la vertu st942147@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
>(ps i hope i'm not acting to obsessive about the song lyrics or anything, but
>i am an english major so these things are to be expected :-)
i definately agree. i often listen to so right after ig-ig in my car on
long trips and i'm amazed not only at the growth of emily's lyrics, but
also the increased range of her voice. as a singer myself, i know it's
really hard to be able to hit those notes that the chords seem to think are
way too high. the difference in amy's range is particularly noticeable when
i listen to old and then new stuff.
jenn

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on mon, 22 apr 1996 mmedido@aol.com wrote:
>
> fire
>
> yep that's right ..fire... any song that has a reference to fire in it
> means that the singer is a big ol' lesbian......it's true.
> so now the secret is out...johnny cash is (of course) a lesbian.
> as is bruce springsteen
> and elvis.

i'm sorry to report that claire was holding back somewhat.  and since i
agree with her views of world peace and understanding, i will further
divulge some of our subversive activities.  (snicker,snicker)  our
super-duper secret handshake---------   the high five.  i know, it's hard
to believe.  and it's caught on so well that it has even been emulated by
a handful of straight people.  but just remember that the next time you go
to a sports bar.  or a bowling alley.  you see ten men and women out
having a good time.  the first man gets a strike.  he high fives his
girlfriend.  that's it!!  lesbians!!!!  the whole lot of 'em!
next time:  the secret wink!!!  :)
sorry.  i'm suffering from a serious monty python drought....

peace, gia

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subject:      '96 shirt design

hey y'all... i've been foolin around with paintbrush(yeah i know its not the
best...but for lack of programs its not too bad) to try and come up with
some type of cool t-shirt design... actually got one that would be cool
except for the fact that i cant draw a guitar to save my life... if anyone
wants to help out im open for suggestions... anyone know of a good draw type
program to get? for any of you who have tried it, what have u used?
suggestions...help..all is welcome.

thanx,
tiff

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subject:      may 2nd show in no question

hey,

does anyone know how it's going to be getting to the stage area for the may 2nd
show?

anything like newport? [ i *will* have a bike this year ;) ]

thanks,

:)

eric

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subject:      re: ig '96 list shirts!!!
x-to:         amit gandhi <101624.416@compuserve.com>
in-reply-to:  <960422093733_101624.416_jhp98-1@compuserve.com>

i disagree. i definately want the words "indigo girls" on it. that's the
whole point of the freakin' shirt afterall. if you just put in inside
list jokes the shirt just gets silly and pointless. i also don't want to
walk around explaining my shirt to 10,000 people.
ben

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subject:      re: secret codes in songs (and society)
x-to:         gianina giammarinaro <gg1@axe.humboldt.edu>

another "secret code"  :)

this is a true story, believe it or not.  another student from my undergrad
concluded that amy was a lesbian because she formed her right hand in the
"okay" sign during her performance (that is, her index finger and thumb
together).  as i watched amy, i quickly realized that she was holding her
pick in her right hand. i think this student needed glasses.

>> yep that's right ..fire... any song that has a reference to fire in it
>> means that the singer is a big ol' lesbian......
>
  the high five.  i know, it's hard
>to believe.  and it's caught on so well that it has even been emulated by
>a handful of straight people.   he high fives his
>girlfriend.  that's it!!  lesbians!!!!

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the thing is, people draw this line and they want you to be on one
side or the other.  so, if i had to say anything, i'd say i'm
standing on the line.  but, if i'm standing on the line, how am i
supposed to dance around?
                                               - ani difranco

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subject:      re: t-shirts

ben is right. i would want the name "indigo girls" on it. i'm not too
keen on the "moo" thing either and "folkisgruven" is a trifle trendy.
i hope you don't think i'm complaining but "farfrumpuken",
"farfromshroomin" and "folkisgruven" all kind of blur together in the
mind of the bourgeois reader.

-huh? ohhh!,
andrew

"there's little relief, burrito supreme"
-toad the wet sprocket

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subject:      fwd: happy birthday!!! (april 22, 1996)

hey y'all, i don't know what is going on with aol/cyberspace but this message
should have already been posted to the list and i haven't gotten it yet :(
anyway, happy birthday jessi!!!!!

in a message dated 96-04-22 13:48:50 edt, a-jessio@microsoft.com (jessica
owen (general)) writes:

>subj:  re: happy birthday!!! (april 22, 1996)
>date:  96-04-22 13:48:50 edt
>from:  a-jessio@microsoft.com (jessica owen (general))
>to:    mtngrl6@aol.com ('mtngrl6@aol.com')
>
>thank you!!!
>
>>----------
>>from:         mtngrl6@aol.com[smtp:mtngrl6@aol.com]
>>sent:         monday, april 22, 1996 7:32 am
>>to:   indigo-girls@netspace.org
>>cc:   jessica owen (general)
>>subject:      happy birthday!!!  (april 22, 1996)
>>
>>happy birthday jessi!!!
>>
>>"...i used to lie like that alone out on the driveway trying to read
>>the
>>greek upon the stars the alphabet of feeling..."
>>
>>a-jessio@microsoft.com
>>"language or the kiss"
>>* :) *
>>
>
>


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from:   a-jessio@microsoft.com (jessica owen (general))
to:     mtngrl6@aol.com ('mtngrl6@aol.com')
date: 96-04-22 13:48:50 edt

thank you!!!

>----------
>from:  mtngrl6@aol.com[smtp:mtngrl6@aol.com]
>sent:  monday, april 22, 1996 7:32 am
>to:    indigo-girls@netspace.org
>cc:    jessica owen (general)
>subject:       happy birthday!!!  (april 22, 1996)
>
>happy birthday jessi!!!
>
>"...i used to lie like that alone out on the driveway trying to read
>the
>greek upon the stars the alphabet of feeling..."
>
>a-jessio@microsoft.com
>"language or the kiss"
>* :) *
>

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subject:      least complicated

to backtrack a bit...i'm wondering if i'm the only one who's done this..  i
didn't even realize that let it be me and cedar tree were on rop.  when i
got the cd, i transferred it to tape immediately because i listen to music
more in the car that at home.  the tape cuts off in the middle of nashville,
so i assumed that nashville was the last song.  i was cleaning the house
one day, and let it be me was on, and i thought "what was that song?"  boy
oh boy, it was like christmas.  i found 2 new songs!  it was wonderful.  i
do like these songs, but still don't have them in my head because they are
still so new to me.

anyway,  least complicated was my introduction to ig.  they were on vh-1
and just fell for the video and song.  i remember living in mpls, driving
to my drug test for employment w/ compaq, and was playing swamp ophelia -
lc over and over again.  i had realized how intense their lyrics were.  i
really enjoy lc, but only wish i could play it on guitar !!  so whenever i
hear so, i remember mpls ( specifically that damn drug test ).    i miss
mpls, so so has a special place in my heart.

speaking of mpls.  i'm arranging to be back in mpls in september for the
honor the earth tour.  any more info on ig's participation?

moo & "entertainment" at cafe du monde
- jen hall

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on mon, 22 apr 1996, jennifer hall wrote:

> speaking of mpls.  i'm arranging to be back in mpls in september for the
> honor the earth tour.  any more info on ig's participation?

i don't know about that, but i'm on travel in mpls as i type, and this morning
i heard amy's "romeo and juliet" on 90.3 fm!  this town has so many good radio
stations, i wish the dc area had just one...

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subject:      new ferron fans mailing list (fwd)

---------- forwarded message ----------
date: mon, 22 apr 1996 15:11:58 -0700 (pdt)
from: kelly lynn ireland <ireland@cs.stanford.edu>
to: sappho@apocalypse.org
subject: new ferron fans mailing list


hi,

there's a new mailing list to keep up to
date on ferron's music, tours, etc.

it's in digest format. to subscribe send

subscribe  your-e-mail-address

in the body of the message to

ferronfans-request@lists.best.com

one piece of news heard online:

ferron's coming out with a new album this summer
called still riot.
expect to see it in stores around august 20th.
it will also be available on the web site at:
http://ferronweb.com/cgi/order.cgi

enjoy,

kelly
ireland@cs.stanford.edu


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subject:      oh nooo.....

        please someone tell me that getting into newport is not
going to be a problem. it is, isn't it? someone just tell
me i don't have to get ther a week in advance....
                                        jay

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subject:      t-shirts

        okay, t-shirts...where do i sign up? as far as what to put
on them goes? why not have indigo girls on one side, and a quote on another?
i seriously doubt that between all 1000+ of us we'll have any problem
finding one ;)
                                        jay

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subject:      throwing in my two cents on the thsirt thing...

i can't remember who wrote the original post to this thread butt....

i would prefer tp have"indigo girls" soemwhere on the shirt, and ditto
feeling like "folkisgruven" is just a wee bit trendy for my taste. i love
folk music as much as the next person but i have heard a and e use all
sorts of names of thier music, only one of which is folk....i am thinking
right now of shades of indigo where amy calls it "acoustic guitar based
rock and roll" or somethin' close

but, wheover is designing it will i am sure do a wondrous job. just
my little wee opinion

:) susan

smarine@cc.colorado.edu

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from:         kristal elaine cain <kec8144@tam2000.tamu.edu>
subject:      hello all

hi everyone, hope things are going well for all. just a quick question.
someone posted an website awhile back that you can check to see how good
your tickets are. i thought i saved it but alas it is missing. will
someone please be so kind as to take mercy on my plight. thanks bunchs

oh life is a glorious cycle of song
a medley of extemporania
and love is a thing that can never go wrong
and i am marie of romania

sec c row 13 seats 1-3
kristal

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subject:      indicated 3

hey all...

        i got my copy of indie3 in the mail today and after the first
listen thru' thought i'd post a limited review (what i can remember a few
hours later)

first -- the cover/insert isn't quite as cool as last year... i suppose
you can't expect too many miracles from an already wonderful project
co-oridnator, eh?

highlights:

scott ninnerman -- his two tracks are definitely
        highlights -- at first i thought his voice was a little odd, but
        it really warmed up and i love it... great guitar playing too...
        i think em might have done well to do mystery more rythm-heavy
        like ninnermannnnnnn did... anyway... i like.

neily & the gang -- oh my goodness....  this has got to be one of the top
        two or three indicated tracks ever -- i will never listen to
        ghost the same way.... the best of the tape.
        i will be in the london area in a few weeks -- neil, are you
        around there?  i'd love to meet ya, you musical wizard you...

whoever did the hand me downs on the second side (i can't remember)--
        great job -- good vocal blend.

ummm.... i am drawing total blanks now..... sigh...  i think those are my
faves off the top of my head, but others on the tape were great as
well... if i remember i will post a more complete review later...

one gripe:  i would like to have seen e-mail addresses for contributors
on the insert.... but again, i suppse we can't have everything...


take care y'all....  phil

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subject:      re: secret codes in songs (and society)

well it looks like gia let the cat out of the bag so
i might as well let you know that everyone is a lesbian.
thats right ...even you (especially you !)

we have been trying to keep it a secret because...well......
frankly, there's just not enough room in the clubhouse
where we have our secret meetings....and....you know....
there wouldn't be enough tasty snacks to go around.
(and everyone knows that we lesbians serve the best
tasty snacks at our secret meetings.)

elvis was the biggest lesbian
but gertrude was the best

peace and love !
claire (diablito mono)
(bad, bad claire...)
(i have a head cold , thats my excuse, and a darned good one too !)

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>
> well it looks like gia let the cat out of the bag so
> i might as well let you know that everyone is a lesbian.
> thats right ...even you (especially you !)
>

        ...do my parents know?

trant

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on mon, 22 apr 1996, andrew west griffin wrote:

> ben is right. i would want the name "indigo girls" on it. i'm not too
> keen on the "moo" thing either and "folkisgruven" is a trifle trendy.

i agree as well. (;

jenifer
s013jem@discover.wright.edu

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hey guys, i just checked out the web site graphic thing, and it's pretty
cool except for the little cyberspace saying... are we all computer dorks?
(i mean, i know i am, but....)  i think that it would be a good idea to
have the girls' name on there because, like ben, i don't want to go
around explaining my shirt to 1000000+ people...  but on the other hand,
i kind of liked the idea of a picture of a coyote howling and a bubble
coming out of the mouth saying "moo."  very listy...  and cool quote
would be excellent too!!! any ideas???
how about "tripping in our yellow feet..."
(just think of a cool picture we could get for that one- i'm thinking
clumsiness here...  how many klutz stories have we heard on this list?!?)
well, anyways... this should definitely be a joint effort, and i think
it's going to be really cool!     -mandy

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ooh!  i just thought of another cool quote...

"i am a problem child, i've been wild all my days...."

maybe?

or how about...

"what separates me from you?"

eh?

-mandy

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subject:      re: secret codes in songs (and society)
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well, they should.  they're lesbians also.--gwen

on mon, 22 apr 1996 twb@zycor.lgc.com wrote:

> >
> > well it looks like gia let the cat out of the bag so
> > i might as well let you know that everyone is a lesbian.
> > thats right ...even you (especially you !)
> >
>
>         ...do my parents know?
>
> trant
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subject:      re: secret codes in songs (and society)

ohhhh.... then *that* would explain the long looks my dad and my brothers
give  the women folks in their general viewing area.... i get it!!!!! all
these years... geez, if only someone had taken the time to explain. wait
till my therapist hears this one... it'll beat the dream about the fish and
the roller skate ( don't ask ) hands down!!!! yeehaa!!!... i've missed
y'all!!!! ( been lurked for almost a week by a malfunctioning server....

at 05:41 pm 4/22/96 -0700, gwen wrote:
>well, they should.  they're lesbians also.--gwen
>
>on mon, 22 apr 1996 twb@zycor.lgc.com wrote:
>> > well it looks like gia let the cat out of the bag so
>> > i might as well let you know that everyone is a lesbian.
>> > thats right ...even you (especially you !)
>> >
>>
>>         ...do my parents know?
>>
>> trant
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subject:      t-shirts

how about borrowing from the least complicated video and sarah's bumper
stickers and putting a+e=ig on there somewhere? or, is this a bad
idea...
        sharon, who has few good ideas and can't tell the difference
-i don't want the folksenguven either...

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subject:      bootleg help!

hi all, i've been having a great time reading everyone's messages about
lesbian giveaways, and festival planning (grumble).  also, i want to send
out a great big thank you to all the people who have been gracious enough
to copy things for me.  i hate to pry on your generosity so much, but
does anyone out there have boots of these shows?

atlanta, ga 4/26/88
wumb, boston 8/2/89
poughkeepsie, ny 4/23/91
provincetown, ma 7/28/91
the roxy, atlanta ga (w/kristen hall opening) 10/29/91
beacon theater, nyc 6/1/92
newport folk festival, ri 8/8/93
symphony hall-atlanta, ga 12/20/94
red light cafe, atlanta 2/25/96
eddie's attic 4/4/96
under the moonlight-ig with michael stipe

i'm trying to build up my boot collection, and most of these shows have
special interest for me.  if anyone is willing, i have a stack of blank
tapes!  pre-thanks!

love, wendell

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subject:      happy birthday (again)!!!  (april 22, 1996)

ok, this is the third time i've sent this to the list, jessi (hi!) already
got it but for some reason, the list isn't getting it, so here we go...

-
>from:  mtngrl6@aol.com[smtp:mtngrl6@aol.com]
>sent:  monday, april 22, 1996 7:32 am
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>subject:       happy birthday!!!  (april 22, 1996)
>
>happy birthday jessi!!!
>
>"...i used to lie like that alone out on the driveway trying to read
>the
>greek upon the stars the alphabet of feeling..."
>
>a-jessio@microsoft.com
>"language or the kiss"
>* :) *

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subject:      jazz fest

hi all,

for those of y'all heading for jazz fest, here is a pretty cool web
site about jazz fest:

http://www.nojazzfest.com/

there is a schedule for each day... kinda hard to figure out, but
once you do you will know what time and where bands are playing.

there is also a cool map showing the fair grounds in relation to new
orleans in general and the french quarter. it also details the fair
grounds and where the stages, exhibits, first aid station, and info.
booths are... pretty cool.

see y'all in new orleans!

peace y'all
'
'
dan perkins
post-episodic clairvoyant
tour guide to the obvious
'
'
"their gonna give me a dna transplant
their gonna re arrange my molecules
some natuaral laws will have to bend
to get me from the shallow end of the
gene pool"
   -emily kaitz

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subject:      norl. seating chart for may 4

reposted in case you missed/lossed it:

ya wanna know how good/bad your seats are for the no show at lakefront arena???

direct your browsers to:

                http://www.ticketmaster.com/directory/venues/flo/475/seat1.html
:)

eric (orchestra l (3 orchestra sections)...row 19.....seat 2)

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subject:      t-shirts---the quote poll!!  read me :)
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in a message dated 96-04-22 19:01:28 edt, you write:

>
>        okay, t-shirts...where do i sign up? as far as what to put
>on them goes? why not have indigo girls on one side, and a quote on another?
>i seriously doubt that between all 1000+ of us we'll have any problem
>finding one ;)
>

good idea.
any quote thoughts?  lets come up with some and vote on it.
anyone, anyone.....bueller?
take care
rob

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subject:      minimal ig, minimal nff.

hi!  it's karen again.  for once this has nothing to do with chickenman...

two of my best friends are getting married in september and i'm taking them
to the newport folk fest for a wedding present since they are both big ig
fans and they loved it last year.  but on top of that i was plotting to have
something else special happen while we are there.  i've been trying to think
of ideas and hoping someone would have some info on them.

for instance, does anyone know how much it costs to rent a plane to fly a
banner over the crowd?  i've seen it done at the past nff, so it must be
possible...

does anyone know if there's anyone i should talk to about maybe getting
someone on stage to say something?  not the igs, but like an announcer or
something?

or maybe i could talk to someone about taking out an ad in the folk fest
program....

thanks for any help anyone can give me, please respond to my email box so
that i don't singlehandedly start another flame war...i gave you fair
warning, i said minimal ig and minimal folk fest! now do your part (if
you're still reading this!) and respond privately!

thanks and happy earth day!

k

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subject:      amys tattoo

hey yall. sorry if this has been discussed a billion times already but i was
really curious. what is the deal with the tattoo on her arm? does it have any
meaning or is it just a cool design? does anyone know if it has some
connection with komh ("for you, i would tattoo me with lines crossing into a
hand, and a heart that would never bleed. the twilight and the horse drawn on
my arm, standing for an addiction, pray we go unharmed. . .") hope this isn't
to intrusive on her personal life or anything. . . oh, as long as i am
writing: this song a day thing is pretty fun but i am new to this group. how
does one know which songs are discussed on which days?
thanks yall!

-catherine

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i'm sorry. i've been on the list for six months and this lesbian topic
has been brought up at least a dozen times. no shit they're lesbians!
that's like saying "did you know billie holiday is black!".
enough already,
ben

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  'tripping in our yellow feet...'

:)

eric

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subject:      re: secret codes in songs (and society)

verdi@imap2.asu.edu wrote:
>
> i'm sorry. i've been on the list for six months and this lesbian topic
> has been brought up at least a dozen times. no shit they're lesbians!
> that's like saying "did you know billie holiday is black!".
> enough already,
> ben

thanks ben for this interesting post.  this is proof folks here do turn
assumptions into fact. looking at a picture of billie holiday is the only way i
know to be positive what ethic background she has. so you are saying you can look
at someone and know for a fact they are gay? or maybe you made the assumption that
billie holiday is black by the sound of her voice?  now that is really amazing,
you can tell a person is gay by the way they talk. what you're doing is
pre-judging somebody.  what else can you pre-judge just by looking at a person?
come on ben lets hear some good stereotypes.
--
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ummm..i was under the impression that ben was saying it's obvious that
igs are lesbian (because they say so, basically), not that you can "tell"
by looking at them.  maybe not the best analogy, but not
flame-worthy...imho...unless i'm way off base here.  i dunno, maybe ben
did mean that you can tell by looking at a person that they are gay, but
he'll have to clarify if that is the case.  let's give him the benefit of
the doubt and lay off the flames.--gwen

on tue, 23 apr 1996, fred welter wrote:

> verdi@imap2.asu.edu wrote:
> >
> > i'm sorry. i've been on the list for six months and this lesbian topic
> > has been brought up at least a dozen times. no shit they're lesbians!
> > that's like saying "did you know billie holiday is black!".
> > enough already,
> > ben
>
> thanks ben for this interesting post.  this is proof folks here do turn
> assumptions into fact. looking at a picture of billie holiday is the only way i
> know to be positive what ethic background she has. so you are saying you can look
> at someone and know for a fact they are gay? or maybe you made the assumption that
> billie holiday is black by the sound of her voice?  now that is really amazing,
> you can tell a person is gay by the way they talk. what you're doing is
> pre-judging somebody.  what else can you pre-judge just by looking at a person?
> come on ben lets hear some good stereotypes.
> --
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subject:      re: t-shirts/ new awleans

i'll be wearing the t-shirt with the devil monkey on it.
(actually its curious george....but i can pretend :)

i'm starting to get excited about this....and having
dreams where i'm there and i'm lost and am missing
the show ( i hate those dreams)...i wonder if we will
hear some new tunes (possible) or hear emily play
the piano (doubtful)?  yumpin yiminy ! :)

i never heard back from ig about a photo pass
(as expected... *sigh*) so does any one know if i will
get hassled for having a camera at the jazz fest 'proper'
on may 2 ? i mean.....i need to take pictures of my big day
out in new awleans, and it's a long way back to the la quinta.

since most of us chatty folks will be going to no,
i expect everyone else to get their revenge and
just bomb our mailboxes with tons of mail *hee hee*
that would be fun ;)

hasta la bye bye !
claire (diablito mono)

"god is in my heart, but the devil's in our bones."
(amy ray)

"the slugs have eaten all of my lobelia and now they must die."
(diablito mono)

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subject:      re: secret codes in songs (and society)
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rebrad@aol.com wrote:
>
> ben's point was that it's a public fact that ig are lesbians...i don't think
> he was implying any of your assumptions.  he was just stating facts.  seems
> to us that you're trying to stir up some trouble...would that be a fact?


"no shit they're lesbians! that's like saying 'did you know billie holiday is
black!'."

this sounds like an assumption to me.  if he was stating facts he need to back
them up. i asked the question before and many on this list directed me where to
find the information (too cool). and for the record i am not trying to start
troulbe. you think that saying "no shit they're lesbians!" is not "trying to stir
up some trouble"?
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subject:      re: secret codes in songs (and society)

i'm sorry, but i just cannot allow any
bad vibes under the subject heading
that was ment for mirth and mirth only.
(not to mention satire) :)
we lesbians have an ancient saying that
comes from our elders in the "old country" (lesboania).

'lighten up louise." :)

peace and love !
diablito mono
"now be cruel, be brutal, be brutal (because heaven knows they will.)"
(roger du bries)

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on mon, 22 apr 1996 twb@zycor.lgc.com wrote:

> >
> > well it looks like gia let the cat out of the bag so
> > i might as well let you know that everyone is a lesbian.
> > thats right ...even you (especially you !)
> >
>                       ^
                        |

                oh no ! i've turned into the kinda person
                my mother warned me about ;-)

jules
p.s. mum's not like that really !


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subject:      handy for all occasions

happy tuesday all

i just sent the ig cd to a friend for her birthday as i had gone on about them
to her for yonks but she only ever heard snatches before so...

this led me on to thinking who else i had sent copies to and how diverse the
people were. one for a friend who was unemployed ( starts new job in 2 weeks :-)
)  for inspiration ( ctf ) ,  he only really had indie and heavier stuff and was
surprised when it hit home.   the first 2 albums to a german friend who i worked
with who was both into some good music and wanted to improve his already very
good english.

a song for all people for all occasions and moods.  therapy when driving to
work, belting them out at the top of my lungs ( you mean there are different
tones ? )  . ironing !  so & some vino make it almost enjoyable ( ok i can
stretch the point can't i ? ) .

happily confused
amit

ps  head hung low, shuffling feet  & apologies to lorindigo :(   sauce  :-)  of
folkisgruven

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hi all, you know what my two all time favorties are?

"if we'd ever leave a legacy/it's that we loved each other well"

"it's only life after all"!!

                                               ___emily saliers___

gavin

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subject:      nigc: being gay in holland

hi y'all,

after having read all those stories about e's and a's sexual identity, i
feel that i must react. i certainly don't want to offend people, but the way
*you americans* talk about gayness (very tense), differs immensly from life
and thinking in holland  ("live and let live"). i really wonder why two
"western" countries like the us and holland (the netherlands) can differ so
much!!!

to me it seems that in the us gayness is a topic that can not be discussed
*normally* , that gayness in the us is a far bigger problem than it is in
holland (or germany, denmark, sweden). here, one can speak relatively freely
about being gay (offcourse coming out is difficult for everyone, even here,
and small places are less tolerant than big cities). i feel that if i would
have been born in the us, that i should have lived in the closet, all my
life, and that i would have been 'bleeped' out of live like one 'bleeps'
away the word f*ck from televison. just pretend it does not exist...

i know most of you now think: oh well this lady comes from holland (often
compared to sodom in foreign media...) so she probabely smokes pot everyday
and probably thinks she knows everything better than others) but: living
here as a gay is really relaxed compared to what i make up from your
stories. last week our parlement even voted positive for giving gaymarriage
a legal status!!!

so what is the big deal that e. and a. are gay? they came out in public, no
one forced them into making a public statement, i guess. they did it to show
people that also very talented musicians can be gay! and by doing so they
have became rollmodels for a lot of people and encourage them to come out!!
wonderfull. the fact that homosexuals still need those rolemodels sais a lot
about the way people still think about gays (that they suffer from some
nasty disease).

so: why keep it silent?? i think that it is hypocrite. homosexuality =
heterosexuality, it's love that matters, isn't it? if everyone should
consider homosexuality 'normal' , i'm sure all listmembers should have
mentioned a's and e's 's gayness only once, and then discuss there music!!
because, if being gay is normal, what is the point of dicussing it??? that
would be boring isn't is??

offcourse here in holland there is also some prejudice, but far less than in
the us. the fact that a public person is gay, well, no one gives a shit
about it. the most popular comedian in holland is as gay as one can be...
everyone likes him... dutch people are much more relaxed about it. and why
shouldn't they? why make a fuss about his gayness, he tells funny jokes and
that is what really matters!!

anyway, i could not lurk any longer without telling you...

florine

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subject:      re: the quote poll!!

at 01:09 am 4/23/96 -0400, eric wrote:
>  'tripping in our yellow feet...'
>
being as we're connected worldwide via the internet, what about:
"my life is part of the global life" ????
and can anyone tell me why being known as a "computer nerd" is not a good
thing in some of y'all's opinion????? i see a lot of you writing that you
don't want to be identified as one. being as most work these days ( office
etc, anyway ) requires that you have some computer knowledge, it's almost a
neccesity to be one... so where's the shame?.... do i have to start worrying
about something else now???? used to just on occasion sweat that people'd
notice my socks weren't matching. arrrggghhhh!!!!!
peace + perfect quotes all... kim
<kim fischer>
rcn@prcn.org
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from:         helene burningham <h.burningham@ulst.ac.uk>
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subject:      re: nigc...the sexual thing

hi there...i really wanted to stand up and cheer when i read florines
message...if only there were more people in the world like her, it
would be a far better place.  the uk is much like the us in terms of
'if we don't mention it then it can be just swept under the carpet
and forgotten'.  how are changes in social attitudes ever going to
change if this is the mentality of the majority.  i got into ig well
before i knew that they were gay...loved them then, love them now,
but what has changed is that during a tough time of confusion over
life and love in general, i know they are there and knowing what
they've gone through to get where they are today is such a comfort.
geez i don't want to know their private personal lives, but i do take
strength and understanding from their experiences, their music.

someone wrote earlier...don't force a&e back into the closet.  how
right...its not fair to knock down their position when it has
obviously taken a lot of time, pain and strength to get where they
are today.

i don't like sending messages like this, and most heated discussions
i back out from, but i guess this just all got to me.  i've cleared
the air here...hope its not clouded over in yours.

love helene


"steer clear of the shore,
the coast is rough and rocky"   kate wolf

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        i forgot a subject line group, i'm sorry!! :)
        i vote for the quote:
                "it's only life after all..." !! i don;'t know
why the hell i didn't think  of that!! bravo to whoever did though,
don't you guys think that that quote is like, the epitomy of this
list?!?!
                                        jay ;)

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ha!

>and can anyone tell me why being known as a "computer nerd" is not a good
>thing in some of y'all's opinion????? i see a lot of you writing that you

becoming a computer nerd is my *life goal*! :)  especially after trying all
day last sunday to install a zip drive on my computer :)


jude :)

cognito eggo sum = i think, therefore i am a waffle

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at 09:20 am 4/23/96 edt, you wrote:
>ha!
>
>>and can anyone tell me why being known as a "computer nerd" is not a good
>>thing in some of y'all's opinion????? i see a lot of you writing that you
>
>becoming a computer nerd is my *life goal*! :)  especially after trying all
>day last sunday to install a zip drive on my computer :)
>
ah yes... the ol' zip drive in the computer.... and if you're a *true*
computer nerd you'll go around all day with said zip drive open, and shirt
tail hanging out, and no-one'll tell you about it because, hey - computer
nerds are good for a laugh :- )
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oh my gosh....
billie holiday is black??!?!?!?!?
i'm just having fun with this.


i have another secret code that is a sure way to tell a lesbian in a
crowd.  all lesbians wear combat boots.  yes, it's true.  those big black
clunky things mean only one thing. . . the "l" word.  and shhoooooosh!
don't ask anyone in the military about it, they aren't allowed to tell
you that the whole lot of them are lesbians.  ha ha ha

thanks for the laughs,

jamie

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organization: charles river associates
subject:      language or the kiss

you know, i'm really embarrassed.  i just realized that this was called
the language or the kiss.  i've spent the past two years calling it the
language of the kiss.  oopps!  i guess i can never raz my wife again for
the time at their concert in '89 when i realized that as she sang along,
she was singing, quite passionately i may add, "what would you give for
your catfish"

anyway, since i got such a great answer to my question about least
complicated, i'll jump right in and ask two questions about this one.
first,  the piano at the beginning sounds strikingly like joni mitchell
to me.  i think it is the song "willy" in particular that it sounds like,
but it definitely is derivative of ladies of the canyon in general.  i
think it is especially striking in that ig rarely use piano in their
songs.  i know we've talked about what, if any, influence joni may have
had on ig, but my question is, does anyone know if there is any
particular relationship between this song and joni? any guesses?  am i
just imagining things?

second question,  unless i'm mistaking, i thought that discussion on the
line "there was a table set for six and five were there" was that the
song was about an old relationship of amy's and a friend/lover that was
no longer there, but it sounds to me, considering the next line "i stood
outside and kept my eyes upon the empty chair"  that she is the one that
has been left behind.  it sounds to me more like it is about no longer
being welcome by people who you thought were your friends.  the line "i
might reap the praise of strangers and end up on my own" always struck me
the same way as "intimate strangers" as that we think we know people so
well, even intimately, but in the end, we really don't know them that
well.   i could be really wrong on this one, i don't know the song all
that well, but that is just the way it struck me.  anyone else?

  harry a. keates
  email: hak@crai.com

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subject:      re: quote poll

no offense, but i think that 'tripping in our yellow feet...' will have
too much of a drug connotation to anyone other than the serious ig fan.
at least more than i care to wear on my back....  there are lots of great
lines (tho none come to mind immediately as my personal nomination), and i
think we can do better to say more about who we are.  i like kim's
suggestion for  "my life is part of the global life" ????

thanks to kim, i'm coming out!  yes, it's true.  i'm a "computer nerd."
there!  i feel no shame!  oh, no!!! suddenly my socks aren't matching!
arrrggghhhh!!!!! ;-)  (no offense, i hope.  i just always find kim's posts
really funny...)

michael

btw, could someone please post the song of the day list for the next
coming weeks?  maybe someone should add it to their sig file to keep it
posted regularly for newbies.  i'm not sure what the plans are as we move
off of so, anyway.

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subject:      when will ig be in the boston area

i am a brand new ig fan.   harmony, lyrics, et al - i just love it.    i
need (yes, need)
to see them live.   any dates for the new england area are much appreciated.

how bout the date for the newport folk fest?

thanks very much in advance.
regards,
melissa marquis

mmarquis@i-kinetics.com

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subject:      re: language or the kiss
x-to:         "keates, harry" <hak@crai.com>

on 23 apr 96 at 10:38, keates, harry wrote:

it sounds to me more like it is about no longer
> being welcome by people who you thought were your friends.  the line "i
> might reap the praise of strangers and end up on my own" always struck me
> the same way as "intimate strangers" as that we think we know people so
> well, even intimately, but in the end, we really don't know them that
> well.

yep, that's how i see it too.  i remember discussing this once
before...a friend of mine wrote to me, talking about how there are
all these friends around us, who we think we know, who we think are
friends, when in reality, it's only those personally close to us that
we know for real.
i really love this song...the whole aspect of realising that you've
grown apart from a group of friends, despite having tried so hard to
make things work, fit inside the parameters and keep the intimacy and
comfort of true friendships.

"...the things that mean the most
not to mean the things i miss..."

this is my favorite line (and i hope i've remembered it
right:)!)...there are so many times when i miss things that never
meant much to me, and don't miss things that do mean a lot to me...it
gets confusing, like priorities in the wrong place...trickery on the
mind and its not nice.

language or the kiss...what does that line in itself mean to people?

interested to know...

love helene


"steer clear of the shore,
the coast is rough and rocky"   kate wolf

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subject:      nigc: being gay in holland

go girl!!!!!
thanks florine (don't i know you for somewhere : )) for saying what should
have been said a long time ago.
now you know why amy and emily like holland and amsterdam so much.

can we know please talk about the music!

claudia

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subject:      the secret code in songs and society

flames flames everywhere, and not a cup of water to douse them with....

be nice, you guys!

besides, do we listen to the indigo girls because they are gay, or do we
listen to them for their musical talent and the gift of being able to speak
to our lives and relate to all of us?

last i knew, when i was 18 and no one knew they were gay (we are talking 1989
here), most people i knew liked them for what they said and did and contributed,not because they were gay.  i think priorities need to be re-alligned with
some folks.  if you like them because they are gay first and foremost, i believeamy would let ya know just how offended she is that you see her ability and
talent in a secondary light.

i know that my lesbian friend who is an engineer would be.

later-
karrie

                   "water retention is not new to me....."
                         -emily saliers

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subject:      re: language or the kiss

at 10:38 am 4/23/96 -0400, harry keates wrote:
>you know, i'm really embarrassed.  i just realized that this was called
>the language or the kiss.  i've spent the past two years calling it the
>language of the kiss.  oopps!
geez... et tus harry?... i also thought they were singing this.... ( loved
the bit about your wife's passionate mis-vocalization too )
about your second question... the lines from tlotk... i always related the
words "a table set for six, but five were there... i stood outside and kept
my eyes upon that empty chair" as the feeling of being alienated from your
family once you have made a life decision that they do not agree with. at
times i think maybe e is speaking of her choice to pursue a musical career
which would take her away from loved ones... and at other times i think
she's referring to sexual orientation. maybe it's both... at any rate...
when she says "laughter like a language i once spoke with ease but i'm made
mute by the virtue of decision" i can't help but identify in a very strong
way. i have on many unhappy occasions lost the ability to "speak the
language" my family speaks + share their laughter with ease because i have
chosen a new language ( mute by the virtue of decision )... one they simply
refuse to speak. as far as e's reaping the praise of strangers... well she
stands for a lot of differnt things in our eyes. she reaps the praise of
strangers for being a positive roll model to young ( + not so
young ) lesbians... for aspiring musiscians... but in all that... we are all
still strangers to her - not family, and she must carry with her the very
real fear that we all have. "will i end up alone at the end of all this?"
anyway... that's just my ho... feel free, all to set me a-right:- )
peace + acceptence y'all... kim.
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from:         "j. hunter" <jhunter@fdic.gov>
subject:      trade me, kristen, mcc for ig?

hi. i have recenty acquired some melissa etheridge boots (some as early as
'88, 89), some kristen hall and a couple of mary chapin carpenter...is there
anyone out there interested in trading these for some ig boots?  contact me
for a list.

thanks, jude :)
jhunter@fdic.gov or hunterj1@aol.com

respondez s'il vous plaid = honk if you're scottish

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subject:      re: language or the kiss

>on 23 apr 96 at 10:38, keates, harry wrote:
>
>it sounds to me more like it is about no longer
> being welcome by people who you thought were your friends.  the line "i
> might reap the praise of strangers and end up on my own" always struck me
> the same way as "intimate strangers" as that we think we know people so
> well, even intimately, but in the end, we really don't know them that
> well.

this song is about choices. in my eyes "language or the kiss" is emily's
"fugitive" but written in such an emily way.

the song is about how she has had to put aside her family and loved ones
for her career. "the language" is her music, her career; "the kiss" is love
of family and close friends (my gut says more family). the stranges in the
line above are us (fans, critics, etc). she reaps our praises but has she
sacrificed something equally as important to get it? for her, that's an
unforgiving choice sort of damned if you do, damned if you don't. she knows
she made the right choice, but i'm sure when you way out the consequences,
tough moments come to mind. she sings about these things: the empty chair
(meaning missed celebrations); being away from conversations and how you no
longer know the inside jokes (laughter of a language i once spoke with
ease), etc.

but overall it's about making choices: if joy, then pain. amy touches on
similar themes in fugitive. i'm sure we all have had to make such choices
ourselves at one time or another.

deb
debbie@mei.com

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subject:      re: the quote poll!!

----- begin included message -----

from: kim fischer <rcn@prcn.org>

and can anyone tell me why being known as a "computer nerd" is not a good
thing in some of y'all's opinion????? i see a lot of you writing that you
don't want to be identified as one.

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being a computer nerd has the conotation of being something less than a man.

i.e. computer nerd - a person who spends all of their time infront of a computer screen
                     because they are complete inadiquite to compete with other men in any
                     sort of physical, real world, relm.

        note:   this term is usually reserved for men, but can be applied to anyone who spends
                most of their time in intellectual persuits because they precieve themself as
                lacking physically.  "computer" is put before "nerd" when the intellectual
                persuit deals in principal with computers or other electronic devices.

        this term is inappropriate for people who follow intellectual pursuits by choice
        rather than lack of options.

just why i feel being identified as any kind of nerd is bad thing, nerd means enept.

trant

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subject:      re: handy for all occasions

>ps  head hung low, shuffling feet  & apologies to lorindigo :(   sauce  :-)  of
>folkisgruven

ha! aw shucks, i was only joking...(that sounds familiar. where have i heard
that before?) i won't send you to bed without dinner or anything. :) :)
(especially since i didn't _actually_ think it up. i was just the first one to
shamelessly pirate it.)
folkisgruven,
l-
driving...

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lorinda wright           "learn to pretend there's more than love that
lw01@lehigh.edu           matters. -e.s.
lehigh university         "and i drove out of there with no one behind
bethlehem, pa             me. i was feeling funny and free. -a.r.
    i           will            not         be              complacent

so if i am not who you thought i was, well hello it's nice to meet you.
willing to wait. i will survive. i will love every minute of my life. i will
not concede. i will believe. -melissa ferrick

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subject:      re: language or the kiss

>but it sounds to me, considering the next line "i stood
>outside and kept my eyes upon the empty chair"  that she is the one that
>has been left behind.

oh, harry, you know, this song takes place, for me, in my grandmother's
kitchen where i spent many days as a child...she always kept a kettle on the
stove and i hear the steam from the radiators and i can even see that empty
chair...

this song seems to me to be about leaving your childhood and the security of
home and family and making it in the world, getting the praise of strangers
but knowing that your salad days are way behind you (and most possibly you
are getting ready for your just desserts :)

no, that was a joke ;)   well about getting a job and making it on your own
and never being able (really) to go home again.

jude, whose grandmother, mary mabel (and wouldn't she be pleased to see her
name on the internet!), was the eldest of 12 children and out-lived them all.

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subject:      re: language or the kiss

i just want to say first off that i love this song. i used the whole first
verse as my senior quotation. anyway, i always thought it was about feeling
alienated from family, maybe that's just what it means for me, but i always
thought that she just didn't feel connected anymore at family gatherings
like those big thanksgiving dinners and stuff. maybe myread is a little too
simplistic, but there it is.

jenn
>second question,  unless i'm mistaking, i thought that discussion on the
>line "there was a table set for six and five were there" was that the
>song was about an old relationship of amy's and a friend/lover that was
>no longer there, but it sounds to me, considering the next line "i stood
>outside and kept my eyes upon the empty chair"  that she is the one that
>has been left behind.  it sounds to me more like it is about no longer
>being welcome by people who you thought were your friends.  the line "i
>might reap the praise of strangers and end up on my own" always struck me
>the same way as "intimate strangers" as that we think we know people so
>well, even intimately, but in the end, we really don't know them that
>well.   i could be really wrong on this one, i don't know the song all
>that well, but that is just the way it struck me.  anyone else?
>
>  harry a. keates
>  email: hak@crai.com
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subject:      re: language or the kiss

at 11:08 am 4/23/96 -0600, deb reiser wrote:

>this song is about choices. in my eyes "language or the kiss" is emily's
>"fugitive" but written in such an emily way.

lots of cutting + snipping noises... ( really great stuff, too btw )

>but overall it's about making choices: if joy, then pain. amy touches on
>similar themes in fugitive.

yeah, me too.... what she said.
peace... kim.
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subject:      who all is going to may 4 show?

i was just wondering how many listees are actually going to the may 4th show and
of that number, how many will staying at the la quinta?  maybe someone could
keep a running list of those going to the show - so we would know who's going and hopefully
meet up either at the hotel or some other designated place on friday and go
out to eat, sightsee on saturday and carpool (or convoy) to the show on sat night.
for anyone keeping track, i will be the first to put my name on the "list" of listees
going to n.o.

peace and happy belated earth day,

joan :)

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subject:      nigc & nlc: boston area concert alert

(that's "no ig or lesbian content")

hey folks,

  tomorrow night (wed april 24) there will be quite a cool "folkish
rock type" concert at johnny d's in somerville, ma (red line to davis
sq., its right there across from the somerville theatre).  jon svetky
and the loomers (formerly his 'very loud band) will be performing a
birthday concert (its jon's b-day).  special guests will include ellis
paul and don conescenti (did i spell that right? i don't want the
atlantans to riot ;)). (can i get any more parenthetical?).  give a
call to johnny d's to get more info.

                                -- chris

p.s.  do not confuse "geek" with "nerd."  around mit, "nerd" is sorta
a badge of honor.  "geek" on the other hand is more along trant's
definition.  if you irc more than a few hours a week you are probably
a nerd.  if you can't walk a straight line without falling over,
you're probably a geek (or really drunk ;)).

p.p.s.  if boston area folks are going to the show, let me know and
we'll try to put together a mini-list meet should there be interest.
personally, i've got a volleyball match and have to be late....


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date:         tue, 23 apr 1996 12:38:36 edt
reply-to:     lorinda wright <lw01@lehigh.edu>
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subject:      re: language or the kiss

i'm in a mood for over-simplification.

emily's family
and loved ones
are here.
            .
                .
                    .
                        .
                            .
                                .
                                    .
                                        .
                                            .
                                                .
                                                     . . . and emily is all
                                                            the way over here.

(note the distance between them.)
emily likes her job, but it makes her spend a lot of time away from home. that
makes emily sad. but she still likes her job. (note emily's internal conflict.)

that's all.

folkisgruven,
lorindigo
driving...

    i           will            not        be               complacent
lorinda wright           "learn to pretend there's more than love that
lw01@lehigh.edu           matters. -e.s.
lehigh university         "and i drove out of there with no one behind
bethlehem, pa             me. i was feeling funny and free. -a.r.
    i           will            not         be              complacent

so if i am not who you thought i was, well hello it's nice to meet you.
willing to wait. i will survive. i will love every minute of my life. i will
not concede. i will believe. -melissa ferrick

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subject:      t-shirts (10>n>1)

on mon, 22 apr 1996 22:03:56 edt, sharon parker <sparke61@maine.maine.edu>
wrote:

>how about borrowing from the least complicated video and sarah's bumper
>stickers and putting a+e=ig on there somewhere? or, is this a bad
>idea...
>        sharon, who has few good ideas and can't tell the difference
>-i don't want the folksenguven either...

sounds like a good idea to me, i.e., a+e+ig. nix on folksenguven from me as
well.

sampai jumpa (indonesian for "see ya later")

rahadyan

ps i'll post a bio brief later in the week -- been lurking for a while to
get a feel for things...

pps i went through a ig-buying frenzy last week, having bought "1200
curfews", "breaking curfew", "touch me fall" single, "power of two" single
and "swamp ophelia" -- all this because the "watershed" video collection
leaped into my arms at tower records friday the 12th ... "power of two" and
"least complicated" have been getting me through friendship-crises and the
death of my grandmother...

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subject:      re: the secret code in songs and society

karrie wrote:
>besides, do we listen to the indigo girls because they are gay, or do we
>listen to them for their musical talent and the gift of being able to speak
>to our lives and relate to all of us?

sure, there may be a few folks who like them only because they are gay. i
have seen the same happen with melissa etheridge. when she wasn't out she a
very small but strong following, but when she came out, holy cats! fans
came out fo the wood work! anyway, i think "fans" like this exist but i
really don't think that's what was being addressed here.

>last i knew, when i was 18 and no one knew they were gay (we are talking 1989
>here), most people i knew liked them for what they said and did and
>contributed,not because they were gay.  i think priorities need to be
>re-alligned with
>some folks.  if you like them because they are gay first and foremost, i
>believeamy would let ya know just how offended she is that you see her
>ability and
>talent in a secondary light.
>
>i know that my lesbian friend who is an engineer would be.

and i would be too, but as i said, i don't think this is what was being
touched on. the point of the whole gay thing is that you can't simply put
aside the fact that they are gay. that would be wrong. just as when you
read a author such as toni morrison you do a disservice to her if you put
aside the fact that she is a black woman. that fact helps to understand her
writing and appreciate it on a deeper level. that background is important.
just as knowing my background will help in understanding why i am who i am.

the same goes for ig music. sure it stands on its own (all good art should
-imho) but knowing that they are gay adds to the quality and level of
understanding. love's recovery, for example, can be taken so much deeper
when viewed from emily's eyes and her shoes as a lesbian in a relationship.
sure you can appreciate the song not knowing that, but knowing so will help
you to get to a higher form of listening. knowing more about the author of
a piece helps one to understand the subtext. that's just a basic notion of
critical thinking. to call a&e simply "lesbian artists" is unfair. but to
put aside that fact is equally as unfair from a critical perspective.

deb

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subject:      language or the...three hits

are amy and emily gay: yes

should we care: yes, because it relates to their music, just check out
              fugitive, least complicated, joking, closer to fine, etc
              if you don't believe that.

should we talk about it: not anymore, unless we're talking about it in a
               song!!!

cool thing i did this weekend:  went to seattle, got a tattoo

my tattoo is:  two female symbols together with the words "three hits" above
              it.  cool as hell.

amy ray's words are emblazoned on me: forever!!!!!!!

by the way, thank you for finally talking about a song instead of the
lesbian issue... language or the kiss is amazing... i think it is about
emily leaving her family and private life behind to devote herself to her
music and her causes, she knows that the life she chose is the best for
her but she can't help *regret* some things...
emily, you are beautiful....
but the best song ever is three hits, and i've got it tattooed on me
forever now...ahhhhhhh!!!!!       ------corinne
ps chris, how was goblin valley with ro-chelle?

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subject:      re: nigc & nlc: boston area concert alert
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but let's also not forget that caroline aiken is also going
to be iun boston tomorro wnight, playing at the kendall cafe.
it is unforntuate that both events are the same night, but
i also think we oughta go support caroline in (i thinkm) her first
boston gig.  the kendall is a small place and her mgr tells me
that caroline is due to play around 8:30.  now, there may be time
to get most of jon svetkey's set at johnny d';s afterwards as he wont
likely play much beofere9:30 and i think caroline's set is
not expected to be very long.  let's make it a big music night!


amy p.                          /       who holds your hand
pegasus@crl.com                /        when you're alone
                              /
the original photo monk      /                  --patty larkin

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subject:      quote for the shirt

oh yeah, i shoulda said this on my last message and i gotta get my butt
to class, but i vote for "my life is part of the global life" on the
t-shirts if they ever get made.  that connects us all because we are
sitting here connected by the internet in very different parts of the
world.  that completely is the coolest thing we could say.
still happily tattooed,
corinne

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subject:      life if good

hi y'all,

how often do you hear the indigo girls songs in a public place?
and when you do, it is probably ctf or galileo.  not that i am
complaining.   i will take whatever i can get.  besides i love both
of those songs dearly....

but what do you know,  i was eating dinner at a restaurant and on
comes "strange fire".  not just the song but the entire cd.  well
needless to say i was really happy.  ok ok... i was in boulder, and
it was a vegetarian restaurant, but it still made my day :):):)

life if good..... just 9 days until no......  and counting......
see you there.

- - howdy (howard.barlow@cdo.ssi1.com)

ps.  happy earth day (week).  earth day everyday.

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not to run this thread out indefinitely, but i am very glad this post
made it here.  it *is* love that matters in the long run, never mind the
gender, sexual orientation or anything else.  i'm glad that a & e are
open about their being gay and that they can stand out for many, many
young people (gay and straight) who need and want that kind of example.
it is empowering and a joy to see...and this is even setting aside the
muscial part of their lives!!  their songs move me in a way that only one
other group (csn) has ever touched me, and they could be a modern-day
incarnation of a lot of what that band did a while back (and still does
today).  okay, enough....--mike

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i was never struck very hard by this song, but i do like the piano as a
variation to their other instrumentation.  doesn't make me think of joni,
but rather of a few of james taylor's songs...another pianist who never
plays onstage.  check out places in my past or valentine's day for a
better idea.
i always thought the song was about emily being on the road and away from
her family during the holidays (esp. thanksgiving).  if amy had a role in
writing the song, i'd like to know...also, if one of the girls ever write
a song for the other, please enlighten me!

--mike

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subject:      t-shirts

i think the t-shirts should simply say:
igc

(cuz lord knows
we're all full of it :)

"i used to lie like that alone out on the driveway...."
   doesnt she know that could be dangerous?  'specially at
night when you're trying to read the greek alphabet.

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subject:      re: t-shirts (10>n>1)

on tue, 23 apr 96 13:32:28 edt, sharon parker wrote:

>what is "breaking curfew"-what's on it??

i had gone into disco-mat (sp?) on west fourth street in the village during
my lunch hour -- they usually have good stuff at prices better than tower
records or major chains -- i had thought (mistakenly) that "breaking
curfew" was an indie ig release i'd forgotten about.

it's essentially a promo for "1200 curfews" -- all it is is disc 1 of "1200
curfews", albeit in a different color than it black sted of red or vice
versa (forget which, and the disc is at home not work). dropped $20 for
"breaking curfews" and a melissa etheridge interview cd ($10/apiece). then
again i paid $20. for "1200..." the same week at another bargain cd place.
<shrug>

sampai jumpa,
rahadyan

------------------------------------------------------------
rahadyan (tim) sastrowardoyo
tisast@nytimes.com

       between the pedestals of night and morning
          between red death and radiant desire
       with not one sound of triumph or of warning
      stands the great sentry on the bridge of fire
   o transient soul, thy thought with dreams adorning,
       cast down the laurel, and unstring the lyre;
     the wheels of time are turning, turning, turning,
     the slow stream channels deep and doth not tire.
                gods on their bridge above
                 whispering lies and love
      shall mock your passage down the sunless river
              which, rolling all it streams,
             shall take you, king of dreams,
        --unthroned and unapproachable forever--
          to where the kings who dreams of old
          whiten in habitations monumental cold

             james elroy flecker (1884-1915)

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subject:      t-shirts

i agree with corrine's idea. "my life is part of the global life."
plus it comes from one of my favourite songs by them, too!

-love and rockits,
andrew

"there's little relief, burrito supreme"
-toad the wet sprocket

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hi there-

my name is manuel soler and im a college student in valencia spain. well, how
i got to know ig? my former girlfriend sort of "introduced" them to me and
ive been liking them since. i just have a tape with several songs of them
but i just cant recognize the titles of "closer to fine" and "nashville".
i specially like nashville.
id like to quote some of the sencences i like the most but i cant remember the
lyrics by heart :(
the following is personal but, ok, all of the melodies in that tape have some
kind of meaning to me, so, in a way, ig's music is related to my life in the
sense that they are "tied! gosh! i hope this makes any sense!
well, i just wanted to introduce myself to ig mailing listers and say hi.

pleased to meet you all,

manuel <manuel.soler@uv.es>

p.s. btw, jude says:
>cognito eggo sum = i think, therefore i am a waffle
good joke that of the waffle, but as long as i know it is written:
cogito ergo sum
take into account the difference.

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        hi everyone. how are we doing today? i was wondering, just exactly
who is going to have these t-shirts made? i was thinking maybe it would be easier if we all agreed on a central theme. like :indigo girls, newport folk
festival 1996. and tehn we could all put our own seperate quotes on them, ones
that we identify with personally. that way, we can all get the shirts made for ourslves. what do ya'll think?
                                        jay

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ummm.... a t-shirt quote idea:

"multiply life by the power of two"

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subject:      quotes!!

my favorite qoute by the girls is:

"and the best thing you ever did for me, was to help me take my life less
seriously.."

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subject:      misc. ig stuff

hey y'all... just got home and read all 56 messages waiting for me. language
or the kiss is definitely one of the best of their songs... and i totally
agree with deb's interperetation. it always struck me as she had to make a
decision to go with the "language" or the "kiss" and she went with the
choice that left her and her family apart, that she didnt quite know how to
go back. she wants to, but "laughter like the language i once spoke with
ease" is that she is regretting that she cant be apart of it anymore, but
remembers all of it...
i dunno, just what i was thinking. glad we could get off the gay issue for a
day.

with the t-shirts... i dont know about y'all, but that global life quote
wasnt exactly what i would vote for... i dunno, just doesnt really catch my
attention all that well(just my opinion, dont get offended anyone...) been
working on a design... i know you arent all for the folkisgruven idea, but i
had igisgruven with two of those people playing guitars on the front, and
have a quote on the back. just cant draw the guitar all that well. comments?
i think we could find a better quote though.

let me know what you're thinking...

peace love and good music
tiff


hey i think i'll start something! a new one everyday...

quote o' the day:
"chickenman hold my hand"
                         --ar

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subject:      language or the kiss

not to get back on the "gay issue" or anything......


language or the kiss has always hit me very hard. i don't know if
emily's situation was the same....(or maybe she just knew me in a past
life....i'm sure that's it!! <g>) when i was 16 yrs old, i fell in love.
and it was an incredible experience...the only problem was that it
was a girl. my father asked me about it....and i told him the truth.
he could not handle the truth. well yes, he tried very hard at first.
but he sent me away to live with my grandmother....who i hardly knew.
i can always see that table with 6 chairs...and 1 is empty. we were
a family of 6 when i lived with my father. now that 1 chair will always
be empty. i know and will always know how important that "kiss" is.


i now have my own "family".  my partners' family (specifically her mother)
have taken me into their homes....and they love me unconditionally. i
have been very fortunate.

-sherry

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subject:      more about the shirts

        i think really the point is that the whole (blank)isgruven is too
derivative of the other shirts out (farfrompuken, etc.).  i don't know...
        i think for the quotes, text, etc. it should be just as many people
have requested, something we don't have to explain to half the world.  the
global life quote was ok.  personally i would choose "a moment of peace is
worth every war behind us"...  although a good ig quote, it would still
cause quite a bit of explanation.  oh well, the circle keeps perpetuating...
        as for a graphic, the one on www.unt.edu was pretty cool, but i too
would rather see the bottom part dropped.  it just looks better that way
imho.  i would work on something, but with finals next week, i just don't
have the time to fire up photostyler and spen a couple of hours creating.
if we are still debating after next week, i may throw my idea (should i have
one) into the ring.

jeremy

p.s.  leadmill tape requesters...  look for your tapes in approx. 2 weeks.
i'm getting the inserts copied today, and the first wave of tapes hit my
mailbox yesterday!

at 02:48 pm 4/23/96 -0400, you wrote:
>with the t-shirts... i dont know about y'all, but that global life quote
>wasnt exactly what i would vote for... i dunno, just doesnt really catch my
>attention all that well(just my opinion, dont get offended anyone...) been
>working on a design... i know you arent all for the folkisgruven idea, but i
>had igisgruven with two of those people playing guitars on the front, and
>have a quote on the back. just cant draw the guitar all that well. comments?
>i think we could find a better quote though.

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subject:      ligc: indicated iii - help!

argh!  sorry to bother the list with this, but i lost the address to
send a tape for a copy of indicated iii.  my birthday is in
september, so whomever is in charge of that one, please contact me
with the necessary information.  sorry again.

anna

"the one who is making a path without instruments hardly notices when the
path behind is getting crooked unless a friend tells him."
                                  -asante proverb in paraphrased form

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subject:      quotes....shirt update.

if the world is night, shine my life like a light.

there's my entry.

well, looks like the shirts are a go....now we need to just brainstorm....so
send me your ideas and quotes.  i am taking notes, and i will hold a voting
session to get a good consensus.   so start saving your pennies...cause i
will need a minimum amount of shirts ordered to go through with the
production.
take care all!
rob
don't forget to send in your ideas!

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subject:      getting cd's made...advice needed!  noigc

hey all.
i need to investigate getting cd's made.....does anyone have any idea...i am
putting together some songs that i would like to put on cd...and i would want
like 300 made.
if anyone can refer me to an inexpensive resource, i would be eternally
grateful.
thanks
rob

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organization: eastern mennonite university
subject:      re: language or the kiss
x-to:         h.burningham@ulst.ac.uk

> language or the kiss...what does that line in itself mean to people?

well, for me it's something along the lines of saying something or
doing something.  for instance, you could tell someone you love them,
or be a bit more convincing with a kiss.  just my thoughts...

anna

"the one who is making a path without instruments hardly notices when the
path behind is getting crooked unless a friend tells him."
                                  -asante proverb in paraphrased form

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reply-to:     me <mena4631@mars.rowan.edu>
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subject:      does anyone have?

hi!
i'm sure that this has been asked before but maybe i wasn't paying
close attention....does anyone have an audio tape of the vhi special
duets ...the one with melissa etheridge?  i have it on video but
that's not handy in my car...anyone, anyone?  e-mail me privately if
you do?  thank you oh generous listees
erika
ps:  i love i+e=ig....i love that.  nay of folkisgruven!  just my $.02
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i will walk down the street...i will walk down the street
...i will walk down the street and i will hold my head high
... i will walk down thestreet and i will say hello to every-
body and i will hold my head high...i will say hello to every
one... i will not be ashamed...i will fall down and i will
get back up again... i will not be ashamed...i will not be
complacent...i will not be complacent... i will not be
complacent...and we will not be complacent...and we will not
be complacent... and we will not be ashamed...and we will be
alive...and we will be happy... and we will walk down the street
and we will smile and we won't worry about it...we will not be
racist...we will not be sexist...we will not be homophobic...we
will not hate...we will love we will love we will love we will
love...we will love the ones we hate...w e   w i l l  l o v e
t h e   o n e s w e   h a t e...
- a. ray 8/7/94

* punctuation liberties have been take, capitals = shouting

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subject:      t-shirt quotes

i've been reading suggestions made by people for the last couple of
days, and i've decided since they're all so good heck with it, let's
just put all of the lyrics on the shirt!  that's right, every single word
ever written by ig!  whaddya say? :)

anna

"the one who is making a path without instruments hardly notices when the
path behind is getting crooked unless a friend tells him."
                                  -asante proverb in paraphrased form

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subject:      a little bio

herewith, my so-called life ---

name:  rahadyan timoteo sastrowardoyo (i answer to either "rahadyan" or
"tim" -- i'm a native noo yawker of indonesian and filipino-spanish
ancestry)
d.o.b.:  march 31, 1963
residence:  new york, ny (raised on long island, though)
occupation:  news assistant and assistant editor; very freelance writer
main hobbies: writing/reading poetry and short stories, asian and
asian-american literature, sf, some erotica
ig fan since:  1989
# of ig concerts:  none <sigh>
fave music:  indonesian gamelan music, baroque (bach, lawes, scarlatti),
mary chapin carpenter, shawn colvin, indigo girls, enigma, eric clapton,
gaetano veloso
last concert attended: eric clapton and elton john, at shea stadium in
august? 1992
fave authors: f. scott fitzgerald, c.j. cherryh, pramoedya anana toer,
li-young lee, diane duane
other interests: sandman (and other stuff that neil gaiman writes), travel
(when i can afford it -- i've been to mardi gras in n'awlins twice,
though), theater, acting (took five years of lessons, did some amateur
performances and fund-raisers), exotic cuisines (faves being indonesian,
sri lankan and thai)
pets: none, though i cat-sit
relationship: not something i want to discuss right away.
list member since: last week (april 1996)

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rahadyan (tim) sastrowardoyo
tisast@nytimes.com

       between the pedestals of night and morning
          between red death and radiant desire
       with not one sound of triumph or of warning
      stands the great sentry on the bridge of fire
   o transient soul, thy thought with dreams adorning,
       cast down the laurel, and unstring the lyre;
     the wheels of time are turning, turning, turning,
     the slow stream channels deep and doth not tire.
                gods on their bridge above
                 whispering lies and love
      shall mock your passage down the sunless river
              which, rolling all it streams,
             shall take you, king of dreams,
        --unthroned and unapproachable forever--
          to where the kings who dreams of old
          whiten in habitations monumental cold

             james elroy flecker (1884-1915)

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from:         fred welter <fbw5184@nstia1.nsti.tec.tn.us>
subject:      re: language or the kiss
x-to:         chickensoprano <creechal@cc.emu.edu>

chickensoprano wrote:
>
> > language or the kiss...what does that line in itself mean to people?
>
> well, for me it's something along the lines of saying something or
> doing something.  for instance, you could tell someone you love them,
> or be a bit more convincing with a kiss.  just my thoughts...
>
> anna
i agree 100%. also, the song, to me, describes a personal choice emily had to
make. in this case: a musician, who travels all over the place, being away from
famliy and who has adoring fans who yell out "we love you emily" in concerts or to
stay at home with that special someone that would show their love for her.

this song stuck me in a very different way. her other songs i could relate to and
empathize with, but this one was like sitting down with a friend and listening to
what she had to say.
--
fred welter

personal information
web site: http://nstia1.nsti.tec.tn.us/~fbw5184/home.html
email:    fbw5184@nstia1.nsti.tec.tn.us

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subject:      language or the kiss

greetings all,

long time no post. this song has particular meaning in my life right
now, as i travel frequently for my job. i miss dinners, birthdays and
holidays with my partner and her family and seeing our friends. it's
true that half my life goes on without me. but i love my job and
wouldn't trade it for anything. fortunately i have found my soulmate and
know she will stand by me and support my choices, even thought it's very
difficult for her at times. (i have been home 4 days in four weeks!)  i
am still reading digests from 2 weeks ago.

i have to chime in on the stand up and be counted thing.
i was born and raised in salt lake and have live in seattle since '89.
i wont bore y'all with my bio.

peace

lisa

laughing fish are eating my furniture!

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subject:      re: who all is going to may 4 show?

at 12:27 pm 4/23/96 edt, you wrote:
>i was just wondering how many listees are actually going to the may 4th
show >and of that number, how many will staying at the la quinta?  maybe
someone >could keep a running list of those going to the show - so we would
know who's >going and hopefully meet up either at the hotel or some other
designated place >on friday and go out to eat, sightsee on saturday and
carpool (or convoy) to >the show on sat night.

anybody else going to new orleans think this is a really good idea??  i
think it'd be great to get some kinda running list going of all of us who
will be there and who want to get together with fellow listers to run wild
around the city....i also think it'd be cool for all of us staying at la
quinta to know who else is there too......so, any volunteers to keep the
official "list of ig listers"??  i guess if no one steps forward with an
intense burning desire to do this, i'll volunteer myself.....although given
my organizational skills (can we say nonexistent?), this could be a really
scary thing.

9 more days until the jazz fest!!!

cylinda

                "anyone can start a conflict, it's harder yet
                  to disregard it, i'd rather see the world
                 from another angle, we are everyday angels"
                                              -- jewel

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subject:      re: language or the kiss

>> language or the kiss...what does that line in itself mean to people?
>
i've always thought that it means you either speak the language, ie.
laughter and don't do what's in your heart, which i think is music, but
this line sounds like it might be about coming out and loving whomever you
want. just my humble thoughts. as i said before i lve this song, it's not
only my favorite ig song, but also my favorite song overall.
jenn

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subject:      t-shirts and other fun stuff.  nigc

in a message dated 96-04-22 22:09:04 edt, you write:

>how about borrowing from the least complicated video and sarah's bumper
>stickers and putting a+e=ig on there somewhere? or, is this a bad
>idea...

i just want to let everybody know that this idea (a+e=ig) is not my own...
thanks for making me feel special, but i just cannot take credit!  i think i
got it from some other listee, but the name eludes me... i hate to take
credit for things i don't create... (hell, a lot of times i hate to take
credit for the things i _do_ create!)

while i'm here... does anyone know that atlanta artists list address?

does anyone know where i could get any michelle boots?  i need them. not
want, but _need_.  if you have any, please write!  i am more than willing to
trade ig stuff or anything else, including my internal organs, if needed...

might i just mention once more that i love this list?  okay, so i don't like
flames about what should and should not go on here, but, generally speaking,
the people here are wonderful... i don't think i will ever see lotk in the
same light...

if i owe you anything (like, if we were trading and you sent me your part a
month ago and haven't gotten anything back yet) please write to me, just to
make sure i'm still keeping track... if you sent me blanks for something,
never fear!  i'm working!  there's only so much time in a day, and they will
go out upon completion!

if i haven't mentioned this before, i should now.  michelle malone is a
goddess. =)

peace, love, and understanding, sarah

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reply-to:     me <mena4631@mars.rowan.edu>
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organization: rowan college of nj
subject:      t-shirt quotes

hey..hwo about that thing that amy (ithink it's amy) says before
lc on 1200 curfews..."sometimes you have to laugh at yourself, cause
you'd cry your eyes out if you didn't"  i can't remember if that's
exactly it but something like that!
just a thought
erika
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i will walk down the street...i will walk down the street
...i will walk down the street and i will hold my head high
... i will walk down thestreet and i will say hello to every-
body and i will hold my head high...i will say hello to every
one... i will not be ashamed...i will fall down and i will
get back up again... i will not be ashamed...i will not be
complacent...i will not be complacent... i will not be
complacent...and we will not be complacent...and we will not
be complacent... and we will not be ashamed...and we will be
alive...and we will be happy... and we will walk down the street
and we will smile and we won't worry about it...we will not be
racist...we will not be sexist...we will not be homophobic...we
will not hate...we will love we will love we will love we will
love...we will love the ones we hate...w e   w i l l  l o v e
t h e   o n e s w e   h a t e...
- a. ray 8/7/94

* punctuation liberties have been take, capitals = shouting

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from:         cyndigo@aol.com
subject:      t-shirt quotes

i agree with what looks to be the majority so far -  i think the most
appropriate quote would be "my life is part of the global life," especially
considering how far-flung all us fans are, and we have certainly been brought
together by the igs and the internet!

so much for my $.02 worth...

cyndi

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subject:      new person bio - lynn in seattle

i am new to "the list" only 2 weeks but have loved indigo girls
since they started.  move by them to the depths of my heart & marrow...

here's a short bio on me...

name: lynn cardamone - (pronounced  car'-da-mo'nie)

residence: seattle, washington (since 80) - born & raised in pittsburgh,
pa

occupation:   project coordinator at microsoft corp. in the information
publishing group.  been at microsoft for 10 years !!!!!   ahhhhhhh !
not a millionaire   :(

main hobbies: music, hiking, camping, outdoor anything, writing, my dog,
ww rafting, web surfing, html learning, singing, watching the sky,
walking (especially in a lush forest), just generally smellin' the
roses...

ig fan since:  1989

music: ig (favorite), rem, u2, melissa etheridge, shawn colvin,
atlantis, sarah mcl, 10,000 maniacs, n. merchant, ferron,  (quite a
contrast but, 80's wave - like new order, doa, pet shop boys), and many
other types of music...

last concert attended: melissa etheridge in victoria, bc this past march
6 and again on march 7 in vancouver, bc. - great concert!
i saw the ig last a few summers back when they played in portland, or
for a benefit for indigenous women (native american).  it was outdoor
concert & the best ever !

interests: peace & harmony, fellow-feeling, well-being of children,
preservation of the earth, forests, rivers & mountains (make me cry when
i gaze at their beauty & peace) pretty sappy, but true.  on alight note

pets: my baby dog - mika - she is a 3 lb., black pomeranian with short
hair.
she looks like a tiny baby bear.  my true, unequaled, unconditional
companion...

relationship: single, happy and content.

list member since: 2 week ago...


>

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from:         sharon parker <sparke61@maine.maine.edu>
subject:      my t-shirt opinions again

i have to say that i like all of the suggestions but i still think we
are getting too complicated...i really like the a+e=ig, at least for
the front of the shirt and maybe there could be something more on the
back, like the actual words "indigo girls" and a quote...that way
when people ask "what's that on your shirt mean?"  we can just turn
around...
           sharon

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subject:      re: quotes....shirt update.
x-to:         ncrobino@aol.com

"a moment of peace is worth every war behind us."

i realize that this wouldn't be appropos to many, but this quote is
particularly significant to me.

pooh's .02

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subject:      nigc paula in seattle

paula, i lost your em address....................

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subject:      re: language or the kiss

first of all, let me just say that i laughed out loud at the "what would you give for your catfish" line.  good to know i'm not alone-- for years i thought that old song "secret agent man" was really "secret asian man", and always sang it that way.  anyway.  ahem.
> second question, unless i'm mistaking, i thought that discussion on the
> line "there was a table set for six and five were there" was that the
> song was about an old relationship of amy's and a friend/lover that was
> no longer there, but it sounds to me, considering the next line "i stood
> outside and kept my eyes upon the empty chair"  that she is the one that
> has been left behind.  it sounds to me more like it is about no longer
> being welcome by people who you thought were your friends.

i agree with you about she being the one left behind, but i never really thought about it as her family/friends not welcoming her, but reather that she was thinking about a choice she had made, to choose her career, "language", rather than relationships/love ("kiss").
just my ho.
                     --rachel
http://www.geocities/capitolhill/2770

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subject:      re: quote poll
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on tue, 23 apr 1996, michael valenta had the brilliant idea:
>
> btw, could someone please post the song of the day list for the next
> coming weeks?  maybe someone should add it to their sig file to keep it
> posted regularly for newbies.  i'm not sure what the plans are as we move
> off of so, anyway.
yes, someone do that please, because i, as someone who doesn't own even
the official albums (all dubs except ig) have no clue what's coming next
as a general rule.
thanks, y'all,
karey

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subject:      re" t'shirt quotes

about the "you have to laugh at yourself, cause you'd cry your eyes out if you didn't" quote:
it was emily!!  emily!!
i will now go compose myself (i can't believe i've just written 3 posts in a row)
          --rachel
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subject:      banner for n.o.

hey all you new orleans attendees...

just to let you know that the banner will also say " a + e = ig ", as per
the suggestion of linda p. and all the rest of you who mentioned it way
back when as an idea for the id t-shirts at the concert. i'd forgotten
about that neat equation and think it would be good to include it on the
banner...

so, it's "folkisgruven!", "moo!", and "a+e=ig" on the banner (plus all
our signatures).

see you there!

christine  :)

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subject:      t-shirts and other fun stuff

can y'all do me a favor? i would appreciate it if each and every one of you
list members would send me your favorite quote from any ig song. it doesnt
matter whether u think its shirt worthy or not. if u like it, send it! that
means i should have over 1000 quotes... im thinking this would be a good
idea to help with the t-shirt idea... please...

i think that we need some type of picture on the front, with a+e=ig or
something to that effect, and a simple quote on the back. i think that would
be really cool, just mo...

ok, im gonna jump on the bio bandwagon. other people are doing it. i think i
will too...

name: tiffany hein

residence: allentown pennsylvania (all my life)

dob: june 30, 1981 (yeah, im really only 14... do i qualify for youngest
list                     member or what here??? :)

occupation: dont have one yet.  still enslaved in school.

main hobbies: music, softball, computers, spending way too much time on this
computer, guitar, outdoor anything stuff...

ig fan since: 1995 (i may be new, but i love 'em just as much as anyone)

fav music: ig(duh), alanis morissette, dave matthews band, pearl jam, bush,
live, basically most rock/alternative stuff.

last concert attended: blues traveler at stabler arena in bethlehem pa on
october 9th 1995 (i think thats right)

number of ig concerts: none yet *sigh* there will be one soon!!

list member since: a week ago
_____

well there u have it.  my life in a nutshell. anyway, really looking forward
to hearing from you guys (yeah, all of u) and getting some sort of list
together or something like that.
thanx alot,
tiff

ps once i get some type of list together i will post it and maybe nominate a
few quotes that i like for the t-shirt.

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subject:      i'll bite the bio bait

hey guys...
        midterms are over!!!  but that's the entire reason why i've been
away.  i had a falling out with my roommate, so she's not really hip with
me using her computer anymore.  plus, i'm currently going through this get
my life together phase...i bought a nice planner so the rest of my life
has to be organized.
        just wanted to drop myu own small bio note.  talking about me is
the only thing i'm confident i could be correct about at this point.  ha!

name: teresa cruces esguerra
age:11 days til 21 baby...
residence:  sacramento ca (the capitol isthe most boring city in the state)
sign: taurus
occupation: lazy student/overenthusiastic barkeep
worst habit: pour the milk and call me a corn flake
favorite drink: coke with lime
favorite beer: anchor steam (san francisco)
song i wish i wrote: "kill the messenger" shawn colvin, "mystery"
favorite movie: passion fish
dream woman: mary mcdonnell (see above)
dream man:  mary mcdonnell in drag (see above above)
biggest dreams:  to be taller than 5'2", to open up a show for ig, and to
                 buy my mom a new car...
reason why i love ig:  everything i know about music i learned from amy
                        and emily...fromthe way i play to the way i write
                        to the way i listen to it.

        anyone know of mailing lists dedicated to mary mcdonnell???

tyride is over
teri

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subject:      re: language or the kiss (the title)

>>> language or the kiss...what does that line in itself mean to people?
>>
> i've always thought that it means you either speak the language, ie.
> laughter and don't do what's in your heart, which i think is music, but
> this line sounds like it might be about coming out and loving whomever you want.
um, actually, i disagree.  the song as a whole seems to be about choosing her career instead of her family/friends/relationships, etc., and actually sacrifing the latter in order to pursue the former... and now looking back and thinking twice about it... that's why she's worried that she'll "reap the praise of strangers" (music critics, fans) "but end up on my own" (no personal relationships.)
so even though she loves writing music, she has to choose:
"unforgiving, the choice still is/ the language" (writing music/lyrics) "or the kiss" (personal relationships).  she feels it's a difficult choice, and that's what (it seems to me) the song is about.
anyway, just my opinion, feel free to tear me down :)
        --rachel
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"even if your feeling alone, don't come home."
        --amy ray from, "you left it up to me".

"who delivered you the power to interpret calvary?"
        --amy ray from, "strange fire".

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subject:      language or the kiss

is it just me or does anyone else find the bicycle bell really annoying?
this song really has grown on me, but that noise interferes with my
listening pleasure.

paulal

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oh please! what i meant was that everyone knows they are lesbians
because they say so themselves. i was not giving in to any stereotypes. i
just meant that people on the list are stating facts everyone already
knows. the point of the post was to end the discussion not elaborate on it.
feeling very upset w/the list,
ben

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subject:      re[2]: secret codes in songs (and society)

     oh and don't forget vests, which is actually the official "secret
     code".  :)
     yvette


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subject: re: secret codes in songs (and society)
author:  j a m i e <suthardj@southwestern.edu> at smtpcc
date:    4/23/96 7:31 am


oh my gosh....
billie holiday is black??!?!?!?!?
i'm just having fun with this.


i have another secret code that is a sure way to tell a lesbian in a
crowd.  all lesbians wear combat boots.  yes, it's true.  those big black
clunky things mean only one thing. . . the "l" word.  and shhoooooosh!
don't ask anyone in the military about it, they aren't allowed to tell
you that the whole lot of them are lesbians.  ha ha ha

thanks for the laughs,

jamie

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subject:      computer nerdiness....
x-to:         twb@zycor.lgc.com
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being intelligent is not bad.
knowing computers is not bad.
however, babbling about cyberspace, bytes, and drives leaves a bit to be
desired....
please don't get all mad at me you guys, i know i've caused enough uproar
lately...  but, for the record, i don't want everyone i see to think that
i sit in front of my computer all day instead of being outside with the
singing birds, laughing dandelions, hunerous hippies abounding...
eh?

-mandy

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add another vote for the global quote!!!!   -mandy


on tue, 23 apr 1996, michael valenta wrote:

> no offense, but i think that 'tripping in our yellow feet...' will have
> too much of a drug connotation to anyone other than the serious ig fan.
> at least more than i care to wear on my back....  there are lots of great
> lines (tho none come to mind immediately as my personal nomination), and i
> think we can do better to say more about who we are.  i like kim's
> suggestion for  "my life is part of the global life" ????
>
> thanks to kim, i'm coming out!  yes, it's true.  i'm a "computer nerd."
> there!  i feel no shame!  oh, no!!! suddenly my socks aren't matching!
> arrrggghhhh!!!!! ;-)  (no offense, i hope.  i just always find kim's posts
> really funny...)
>
> michael
>
> btw, could someone please post the song of the day list for the next
> coming weeks?  maybe someone should add it to their sig file to keep it
> posted regularly for newbies.  i'm not sure what the plans are as we move
> off of so, anyway.
>
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subject:      airplane

        i have a question. it has long been a topic of debate with my
three sisters and myself that airplane was added to rights of passage
as a filler. my sister addie says she gets airsick everytime she
hears "that damned song!" no folks, i am not making a poor attempt at
levity, honest, she really said that!!
                                        later,
                                                happyjay

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on tue, 23 apr 1996 ncrobino@aol.com wrote:

> if the world is night, shine my life like a light.


oooh!!!!!   that's a good one !!!!!!!  can we do that?  huh? huh?
daaaaaaddy?  ppleeeaase?
-mandy

>
> there's my entry.
>
> well, looks like the shirts are a go....now we need to just brainstorm....so
> send me your ideas and quotes.  i am taking notes, and i will hold a voting
> session to get a good consensus.   so start saving your pennies...cause i
> will need a minimum amount of shirts ordered to go through with the
> production.
> take care all!
> rob
> don't forget to send in your ideas!
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subject:      language or the kiss

look. i am *sorry* but the bells in language or the kiss are just not that
annoying.  hell, you can barely hear them!  why harp on such inane
instrumental details when you could be thinking of the inspiring lyrics and
the passion of the women singing them?


indigo now and forever,
jynne


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subject:      re: quotes....

you could always
a) have a general groupwide design one one side and people can
personalise the rest
or
b) print the entire lyrics to all the songs and supply a free
highligter pen so that people can pick their favourite bits...

you can please some of the people etcetc...

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on tue, 23 apr 1996, jynne/jen/joe/dilling/jd etc etc wrote:

> look. i am *sorry* but the bells in language or the kiss are just not that
> annoying.  hell, you can barely hear them!  why harp on such inane
> instrumental details when you could be thinking of the inspiring lyrics and
> the passion of the women singing them?
>
>
> indigo now and forever,
> jynne


i didn't really notice them till i heard 1200 curfews where they are quite
extremely loud, and now i notice them on the studio recording just cause they
bug me on the live recording i think.

an inane instrumental detail can easily ruin a song... i'm *not* saying this
one in particular is ruined, but c'mon now.


paulal

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hey everybody.  first of all i want to thanks a bunch of you for your
quick response when i said i was new to the digest and i wanted some
info.  that was great.  i wanted to know if there was anyone out there
who finds christianity in the music of the indigo girls.  to me they are
highly religious.  i'm a student at calvin college in grand rapids
michigan.  it's a christian college, and i think that the girls have a
pretty strong following here, at least for a school this size.  i
wondered if anyone knows about anything amy or emily might have said in
any interviews that would stamp my ticket.  to me it's pretty obvious
that they have god in their lives.  just thought i'd bring it up.  thanks

brad mockabee

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subject:      quote time again

i was just talking with my best friend-- another huge ig fan. we were trying
to find some good quotes... what do you think of "all i've sewn was a song"?
i thought that could be pretty cool... i'll update you on the list of
listmembers fav quotes. maybe we can find a good one from there to please
everyone... :o)

peace love and good music
tiff

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subject:      the bells...

at 07:59 pm 4/23/96 edt, jynne wrote:
>look. i am *sorry* but the bells in language or the kiss are just not that
>annoying.  hell, you can barely hear them!  why harp on such inane
>instrumental details when you could be thinking of the inspiring lyrics and
>the passion of the women singing them?
>
please please please, y'all.... be nice????? mentioning that one personally
doesn't enjoy the bells ( "the bells... the bells" - quazimoto )and asking
if anyone else agrees with her, is not "harping".... it's "discussing". we
all have our opinions... and we are all free here to express em...
discussion of any ol' ig topic here ( barring the offensive, of course )is
good... can you say that boys + girls???? bet you can....
peace + pleasentness.... kim.
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subject:      re: the bells...
x-to:         rcn@prcn.org

i second the motion.  i think that we ought to stay away from "no, this song
means this....."  songs are up for interpretation and how it touches our
heart.  yes, we all have some facts from a&e about the songs, but beyond that
i don't think that we need to be saying to others, "no you are wrong."

xo's pooh

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              jessie gilliam <jmg8r@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu>

i was trying to make a pun on "harp", you know, like the instrument harp
which is bell-like when plucked, but i guess people got offended.  my
sincerest apologies, no more jokes in the future.

peacefully and pleasantly, indigo now and forever,
jynne


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on tue, 23 apr 1996, kindness wrote:

> on tue, 23 apr 1996 ncrobino@aol.com wrote:
>
> > if the world is night, shine my life like a light.
>
> oooh!!!!!   that's a good one !!!!!!!  can we do that?  huh? huh?
> daaaaaaddy?  ppleeeaase?
> -mandy

i agree.  i like that one too!!

jenifer
s013jem@discover.wright.edu

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subject:      tlotk,codes,pomes (some igc)

delurking...
agree that tlotk is a beautiful song with many layers of meaning. =
still haven't quite got the idea behind what the language or kiss =
refer to however.chuckling over the secret codes. what i've been =
missing. gives a whole new interpretation to the poem rahadyan quoted
(snip)
>stands the great sentry on the bridge of fire
(snip)
probably wearing black combat boots.
want to share one of my favorite pomes with you as i think the ig =
qualify as truly great( and not many do in my book). of course now =
that i'm aware of the code it makes it even more appropriate.;-)

        i think continually of those who are truly great.
        who, from the womb, remembered the souls=b9 history
        through corridors of light where the hours are suns,
        endless and singing. whose lovely ambition
        was that their lips, still touched with fire,
        should tell of the spirit clothed from head to foot in song.
        and who hoarded from the spring branches
        the desires falling across their bodies like blossoms.

        what is precious is never to forget
        the essential delight of the blood drawn from the ageless springs,
        breaking  through rocks in worlds before our earth.
        never to deny its pleasure in the simple morning light
        nor its grave evening demand for love.
        never to allow gradually the traffic to smother
        with noise and fog the flowering of the spirit.

        near the snow, near the sun, in the highest fields,
        see how these names are feted by the waving grass,
        and by the streamers of white cloud,
        and whispers of wind in the listening sky;
        the names of those who in their lives fought for life,
        who wore at their hearts the fires=b9 center.
        born of the sun they traveled a short while towards the sun,
        and left the vivid air signed with their honor.

                                                stephen spender (him too !)
back under my rock....


keep on keepin' on.( b. dylan)

they also surf who only stand on waves. (anon)

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> b) print the entire lyrics to all the songs and supply a free
> highligter pen so that people can pick their favourite bits...

aha! so i'm not alone in this crazy suggestion!  i wonder what size
font we'll have to use to fit it all on?  maybe we could just have
only xxxl shirts... :)

anna

"the one who is making a path without instruments hardly notices when the
path behind is getting crooked unless a friend tells him."
                                  -asante proverb in paraphrased form

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please repremand your sister for me!!!!!  "airplane" has been called many
things by many people, but "filler" it is not!!!!!!  we discussed
airplane a few weeks back, maybe someone can forward you the digests to
fill you in on all the thoughts/inspirations/adorations expressed re:
airplane.  the roaches' backup and keyboards may take a little getting
used to for some people, but i *love* airplane.  how can anyone say that
about a song filled with such gems as "never should have read my
horoscope/or the fortune on the bubble-gum strip/saying 'what you think
won't happen will'/great thing to read before a trip on an airplane!"
my humble opinion, as always...--gwen

on tue, 23 apr 1996, jason m. chmielecki (chmielja@nhc.edu) wrote:

>         i have a question. it has long been a topic of debate with my
> three sisters and myself that airplane was added to rights of passage
> as a filler. my sister addie says she gets airsick everytime she
> hears "that damned song!" no folks, i am not making a poor attempt at
> levity, honest, she really said that!!
>                                         later,
>                                                 happyjay
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ok on the t-shirt thread

i like

"my life is part of the global life"

and "if the world is night shine my life like a light"

but i dunno

there are so many

i also like (simple) "touch me i'm so beautiful"

hmmmm

i'm not helping

*grin shrug*

mellow out y'all, the list has been so tense the past few days!

love

lariss

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subject:      quotes ideas

i too love lotk buti think everyone has already said everything i would
so i won't reiterate.

quote ideas, very diffucult b/c there is jus tso many ...

--everything i truly love i love in you and i love in me

--i'm looking for a sacred hand to carve into my stone

--i see a warrior barefoot and dancing

--now you ask me why i'm here, same as you i'm scared it's fear

--you set up a place in my thoughts, moved in and made my thinking crowded

--i'd wlk into the fingers of your fire willingly

--and dance the edge od sanity i've never been this close

-- i wish her insight to battle loves blindness, straight from the milk
of human kindness, a safe plave for all the peices that scatter, learn to
pretend there more than love that matters.

just some thoughts
kristal the impateint

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        lariss ia right, this list has been tense the past few days!!
                                                jay ;)

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subject:      ig appearance on cnn segment

   cnn (and cnn/headlines) have been featuring a short segment
on music and political issues. i just noticed it tonight (4/23)
for the first time. among the artists featured are indigo girls.
it discusses their recording of "burried my heart at wounded knee"
and shows snippets from a bmhawn video. there's a very brief
soundbite from amy and a slightly longer comment by emily.
the cnn/headlines channel (the one that constantly repeats news)
has been showing this segment during the last 10 minutes of each hour
(i.e. sometime during xx:50 - xx:59).
these segments are being shown in context of the "rock the vote"
inititative.

- randy

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subject:      t-shirt

agree with many that simplicity is best
a+e=ig

and then something on the back-a quote or something. the one about we are a
global world would go well. and then the indigo girls or something. i
personally perfer that large graphics go on the back and not the front.
personal preference as that would be all people could see. (that's not all
bad of course, except that i prefer not to have my chest any more noticeable
than it currently is. thank you very much.) look forward to the finished
product.
marian

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for the front, i already expressed my opinion in an earlier post. for the
back, something like

though it's stormy out i feel safe within the arms of love's discovery

or

everywhere i turn all the beauty just keeps shaking me

or

maybe that's all the we need is to meet in the middle of impossibility

so, there. that's all. but, hey, as long as it's cool, anything is okay with
me.
marian

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i dunno.....i vote for......

"what would you give for your catfish ?"

i'm still going to wear my curious geor...i mean devil monkey
t-shirt, because hey! i'm a rebel and i'll never ever be any good !

(but darlin' i'll never  (uh)  hear the bells agaaaaiiiin {never never
whooah whoah no neeeeeever}) (never, never, never)(no never)
(neveeeeeer) :)

i have no idea what the term "language or the kiss" means
...but i'm learnin'.

so looong fareweeell aufweidersein goodbye !
claire (diablito mono)
happyhappyjoyjoy !
"this rain is startin' to bum me out !"
(diablito mono)

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i told myself not to nit-pick but i can't help myself !
"all i've sown was a song"
like sowing seeds for planting-not sewn as in making clothing
there, i feel better now
also like the idea of a+e=ig on the front of the shirts with some quote on
the back but i can't choose they're all too good
gynergy

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i've heard them in grocery stores in buffalo, and i heard power of two on a
casino riverboat here in kc!  but very seldom on the radio.

angie in kc

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subject:      re: language or the kiss

i like what both lorindigo and deb wrote about this song...

i always interpret "language or the kiss," which has a special place in my
heart, as being about choices. i think that, in the pursuit of one's larger
goals and dreams, personal sacrifice is inevitable, and this song is about
rethinking those choices.

"what i won't give
to have the things that mean the most
not to mean the things i miss
unforgiving...the choice still is
the language or the kiss."

thanks, deb, for making a parallel with this song and "fugitive" -- i never
thought of it that way but you're right! i guess while they were making this
album they had been going through similar upheavals and adjustments in their
personal lives, and it's just great that theirs is a musical partnership that
allows both of them the chance to express themselves in their own unique
ways.

anna

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in a message dated 96-04-23 09:24:12 edt, h.burningham@ulst.ac.uk (helene
burningham) writes:

>geez i don't want to know their private personal lives, but i do take
>strength and understanding from their experiences, their music.
>
>

i totally agree with helene.  i think that the fact that a & e are gay should
be just as accepted as the fact that one is blonde, and the other brunette.
the only interest i have in the fact is the insight it may give into their
music, which is all i care about. let their lives be private.  but a lot of
newbies may be curious, because of the "notoriety" associated with being gay
(don't shoot me, i'm only the messenger).  maybe someone could compose some
kind of stock answer to send to people, telling them what we like to discuss
on this list, and what is best left to private discussion.

  by the way speaking of hair, i just wondered if anyone had a favorite
"look" for a & e. i did not like the way amy had her hair cut for the more
recent footage of watershed", i thought that wearing it a little longer like
in galileo and joking suited her face more. any opinions?

angie in kc

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i agree w/ "multiply life by the power of two". it's simple and too the
point. it shows how ig has effected our lives and it gives a cute little
double entendre(power of two-ig has two...girls...singing....oh never mind!)
bye,
ben

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subject:      carole king

dear everyone:

as neily wrote...

>buy carole king - in concert it's the best intro to all her work
(has things like up on the roof and a lot
of the tapestry stuff...)

buy! buy! buy! great music.  also fyi, until "frampton comes alive,"
"tapestry" was the #1 selling album for years.  it is a classic.

melissa

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i've lways thought that this wa emily's answer to those people in the past
(family and friends) who may have been hurt or felt abandoned by where her
music has taken her. let's face it, life on the road for ig goes on and on...
probably there have been times when she missed a birthday, or a
celebration,or even a death because she just couldn't be there. also, it
could be because people with as much talent as her and amy may sometimes
unknowingly hurt the people they love, just because their genius stikes them
at inopportune moments, or maybe they retreat into a shell to write their
song.  of course this is just theory, but the last line "the choice still is
the language or the kiss" seems to be showing the conflict between her music
and her relaionships with family.


angie in kc

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subject:      i need a collection dammit!

hey,
i just finsihed a boot trade today. after months of procrastination i
finally did it. anyway, since i finished this trade is there anyone out
there who wishes to make one with me? i finally finished my show and now
i have loads of time to tape-tape-tape! here's my pathetic little list of
boots:
purple parrot
blue food
color me grey
erie,pa (april,95)
blood and fire
history of us
newport 95'

please write me back if you want to make a trade. i'm looking for earlier
concerts(91-92) and rare little tidbits(that general mills thing).
thanks,
ben

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i like both:

"the best thing you've ever done for me is to help me take my life less
seriously"

and (strung together (but maybe that's too long))/ or

"it's only life after all"

they're all excellent though, aren't they?

love
jacqui

ps.  maybe my vote doesn't count, though, because i can't go anyway.  but
i'm tempted to make my own t-shirt just for fun.  i wish i could be
there!  maybe next time...

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hey to all y'all heading down to new orleans in the next 7-10 days (is this
cool or what?? omygoodness omygoodness!!!!)

okay, i'm officially volunteering to keep a list of all the listers who are
going to be running around new orleans anytime during the weekend of may 4.
if there is any interest in such a list, that is.  a few folks have already
mailed me, but i'm sure there are more of y'all out there.  so, if you
you're interested in doing this as a way to possible meet up with fellow
list members, email me with information you want others to know: your name,
when you get in, where you're staying (even if you're not at la quinta, you
may be in the same hotel with other indigonuts and not even know it...)
where you're sitting on may 4, if you have interest in taking in some sights
during the lag time between shows, if you're bringing a guitar, banjo,
violin, washboard or tin can in hopes of jammin' a little with fellow fans,
your favorite beer....oops, wrong list..although it never hurts to know that
either, eh? (an anchor steam, teri?? :)  whatever you feel is important for
any fans you might bump into in no to know.  what i'm thinking of doing is
in a few days, based on the response, is mailing everyone who's mailed me in
an effort to coordinate some serious group bonding.  um, if anyone has any
ideas of what the best way to do this would be (mine are all kinda stuck in
that "vague" category right now) please feel free to suggest them, or even
take over this project.  well, i hope to hear from lots of y'all, we're in
the home stretch folks!!!!!

peace and playing well with others,
cylinda
(orch r row 2 seat 6....there, are you happy, yen?)

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subject:      airplane

hey ya'll!

i like that song.....actually i love it!  of course, i hate to fly, but that
is beside the point......
i love it when emily says "i'd rather have a real pillow underneath my head,
lying in y own bed, which is in my hometown, which is on the ground far from
the airplane..."  because ya'll know what?  i would rather hang out with my
redneck dad in my house 275 miles from my dorm room than be on an airplane.

anyone else feel this way?

later-

karrie

                     "water retention is not new to me...."


                           -emily saliers

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on tue, 23 apr 1996 gynergy@aol.com wrote:

> i told myself not to nit-pick but i can't help myself !
you're among friends/fellow nitpickers here.

> "all i've sown was a song"
> like sowing seeds for planting-not sewn as in making clothing
i think "sewn" works just as well.  how is it on the liner notes?

> also like the idea of a+e=ig on the front of the shirts
sorry if i'm blaspheming here, but i've never understood the greatness of
a+e=ig.  anyone care to enlighten me?

> with some quote on the back but i can't choose they're all too good
mm-hmm!

peace out,
karey

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subject:      t-shirt vote

absolutely positively "my life is part of the global life" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

also - same for having ig there someplace.

ta!

tracy
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subject:      tshirts

hi gang
just wanted to add my thoughts on the t shirt issue. i think many had
a great idea when she said
<<<"what separates me from you?"
kewl!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
this line says a whole gammut of things to me. i really like it
take care all,
jenni+ linda

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subject:      peter of emory u. (and every other list member)

peter,
sorry dude, i lost your e-mail address...
i called eddie's and amy is definitely playing there tonight (april 24) at
9:00.  doors open at 7:30, cover is $5.
see you there!
~~robin

every other list member,
where else in the world can you go to a local bar, pay five bucks and see amy
ray play?!
oh, atlanta!!!!!!!   i love this town!
you can be sure that i will post again after the show!
i'm still looking for a walkman that records... if all goes well, i might
have a boot to share!
is anybody else from the list planning on going tonight?  e-mail me and we'll
try to hook-up!   atlmouse@aol.com

"crazy game  i never shoulda started to play  but now you couldn't tear me
away"
e. saliers

"i am looking for someone, who can take as much as i give, give back as much
as i need, and still have the will to live (oh lord)"  --amy ray

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more t-shirt ideas:

1)  "a + e =ig  the alphabet of feeling"


2)  "the power of two"


i like #2 the best, it says it all to me...the power of these two.

-i'll go back to bed now :)

"i used to lie like that alone out on the driveway...."
    what a tragedy that might have been.  =)

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how about:

"we are fortunate ones..."

or some variation ie., just "fortunate ones" or the full "we are fortunate
ones, fortunate ones i swear..."

just another thought.

anna

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subject:      fugitive

who posted that fugitive view the other day ... you know where

        got to learn to respect what we don't understand
        we are fortunate ones ....

                ( y'all know the rest )

the above lines are from a's point of view, basically we don't understand
the fans etc .. as opposed to a plea to the fans to leave a&e alone abit.
this was inspired. i listened and listened and then played the tune a
number of times and it seemed so right and new again. thanks for that and
yes fugitive is the best proof that a has grown in musical ability .. i
guess we thank e for that one !

later
jules

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at 09:00 pm 4/23/96 -0700, you wrote:
>i agree w/ "multiply life by the power of two". it's simple and too the
>point. it shows how ig has effected our lives and it gives a cute little
>double entendre(power of two-ig has two...girls...singing....oh never mind!)
>bye,
>ben


this seems to be the best idea i've seen so far.  i vote for this one!!!

jeremy

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my suggestion:

everything that i believe is wrong with you
        is wrong with me.
everything i truly love, i love in you and i love in me.
                (amy, hand me downs)

peace,
karey

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i must've erased the message, but i want to say that whoever said to
just have igc cos we're full of it is a pure-d genious!!
simple, elegant, cryptic,
and it could have a picture on the other side.
peace out,
karey

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at 11:50 pm 4/23/96 -0400, angie wrote:
>i've heard them in grocery stores in buffalo, and i heard power of two on a
>casino riverboat here in kc!  but very seldom on the radio.
>
>angie in kc
hey... all the way up here in powell river bc canada i was thrilled to be
sitting in a local restaurant that is the favorite of myself and the folks
in my circle, when i noticed that the mixed tape being played was just
loaded with ig stuff... i was fairly bouncing in my seat ( not a pretty
spectacle )... especially when r+j came on + it'd been the song of the day
on the list that very day... cool!!!
needless to say the restaraunt ( the blacberry cafe... very cozy atmosphere
+ great food too)is even more a favorite of mine...:- )
anyhow... thought i'd share.
peace all...kim(digo)lol
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how much for a ticket to holland?
rhonda

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on wed, 24 apr 1996, m gordon wrote:

> buy! buy! buy! great music.  also fyi, until "frampton comes alive,"
> "tapestry" was the #1 selling album for years.  it is a classic.

this is one of my favorite albums!  try it.
i like putting it on shuffle with james taylor and carly simons greatest hits.
tapestry is better than ck's greatest hits...

i just bought the tribute album, it's fun, but there is no comparison!

peace,
gary

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rock (of cocaine) is three or four times as bad as raping a woman?
   -- robert jakovitch, broward (fl) assistant public defender

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good morning everyone!
several people have said they'd like the shirts to say "indigo girls"
so they won't have to explain anything.  but *i* was thinking, "hey,
that might be a good way to
meet ...ummm......cute.....er....ummm.....people!"

and i vote for "if the world is night, shine my life like a light"

jen
"how long 'til my soul gets it right?"  ig

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hi y'all,
  how about putting one (or part of one) of amy's soc's on one side of the shirt
and a cool graphic like the one that shelley did? (i tend to agree with people
that i would prefer to lose the cyberspace stuff though.)

here's an example:

i will walk down the street...i will walk down the street
...i will walk down the street and i will hold my head high
... i will walk down thestreet and i will say hello to every-
body and i will hold my head high...i will say hello to every
one... i will not be ashamed...i will fall down and i will
get back up again... i will not be ashamed...i will not be
complacent...i will not be complacent... i will not be
complacent...and we will not be complacent...and we will not
be complacent... and we will not be ashamed...and we will be
alive...and we will be happy... and we will walk down the street
and we will smile and we won't worry about it...we will not be
racist...we will not be sexist...we will not be homophobic...we
will not hate...we will love we will love we will love we will
love...we will love the ones we hate...w e   w i l l  l o v e
t h e   o n e s w e   h a t e...
- a. ray 8/7/94

just a thought.

peace,
amy

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i'm late to reply to this, but i thought i'd share amy's thoughts on the
following:

k645501b@edinboro.edu wrote:

>will give to you that yls is no never enough or brave and crazy, but i tend
>to think not that mle went hollywood but that vh-1 put her there.

this is from and interview with amy ray in the 5/21/92 ucsd guardian:

                               =-=-=<>=-=-=


interviewer: what do you think about artists that gain a more "slick" look
with every album? i'm thinking here of melissa etheridge, who is a friend
of yours.  it seems like her record company is trying to "mainstream" her.

amy: [laughs] well, don't let her fool ya, it's not just her record
company. any artist that lets a company do that to them, it's just as much
their fault. i think that every artist is self-determined to some extent.
melissa and i always had different ideas about the music world -- she's
always been maybe a bit more business-minded than i have. sure, i think
her record company wanted her to be more mainstream, but in the end it's
her decision, you know. you should be involved with your career, and you
should make sure you're aware of what's going on, and if things are
happening that you don't want to happen you should say things about it.

                               =-=-=<>=-=-=

as a fan of both ig and mle, i can see exactly what amy is talking about
there. amy and emily have retained my utmost respect because it is clear
that they're not in it for hit singles, or money, or fame. what could say
that clearer that 1200 curfews, an amazing piece of work (lots of work)
which will probably not break even and yet is a joy to their fans?
meanwhile, mle's albums just get more and more commercial (whatever
happened to that 12-string acoustic guitar anyway?).

mle's goals are, of course, perfectly legitimate. they just don't
*always* lead to the best work in the end.

>( ie.  a duet with joan osborne???? ugh)

have you heard anything except for the singles? "one of us" and "right
hand man" are my least favorite songs on the album, which is pretty good
overall (esp. "st. theresa").

wow! just as i was typing this, ig came on cnn's headline news! it was a
report on a comeback in politically-oriented music, and they showed some of
bmhawk, and a clip of an interview with emily! she said that if they
weren't making music, they'd probably be doing some sort of political work.

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from: cindy
did anyone else catch the ig on cnn headline news last night? quick recap. cnn
was doing a piece about protest songs, then (the 60's) vs. now. the names
mentioned for the 60's were joan baez and bob dylan. the current artists
mentioned were sheryl crow and ig. they played a bit of the video bmhawk
(never did mention that it was written by buffy st. marie) and had a short
interview with emily. emily said that she'd probably be a social worker or
something if she weren't a musician. i don't remember any more details, so if
anyone else saw it, please fill in any info.

--cindy

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at 12:38 am 4/24/96 -0500, trinket wrote:
>more t-shirt ideas:
>
>1)  "a + e =ig  the alphabet of feeling"
cool... i really like this one... check check + double check!!!!!
isn't everyone just making his/her own t-shirt anyway???? if that's the case
why don't ya'll just put that genius quote ( can't recall who said it...
sorry... )
"igc cos we're full of it" on the front and then the quote that means the
most to you and says what you feel about the girls + their music on the
back???? go to a craft store... get that there "you too can be an artist +
write on your clothes" - type squeezy bottle of colored gue that dries to
hard plastic ( can't think of proper name ) and a plain t-shirt + get busy.
i've done this with my kids, and the shirts can look really effective.
i'm doing one for me this weekend...
peace y'all... kim.
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there's this one ice cream place in chapel hill (on frankin street for
all you locals) that always plays ig.  and isn't it funny that it's a ben
and jerry's?  j'aime monsiuer ben et monsiuer jerry.
-mandy

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that would be so awewome!!!!!  yeeesssss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
count me in....
-mandy

on wed, 24 apr 1996, amy snyder wrote:

> hi y'all,
>   how about putting one (or part of one) of amy's soc's on one side of the shirt
> and a cool graphic like the one that shelley did? (i tend to agree with people
> that i would prefer to lose the cyberspace stuff though.)
>
> here's an example:
>
>  i will walk down the street...i will walk down the street
> ...i will walk down the street and i will hold my head high
> ... i will walk down thestreet and i will say hello to every-
> body and i will hold my head high...i will say hello to every
>  one... i will not be ashamed...i will fall down and i will
> get back up again... i will not be ashamed...i will not be
> complacent...i will not be complacent... i will not be
> complacent...and we will not be complacent...and we will not
> be complacent... and we will not be ashamed...and we will be
> alive...and we will be happy... and we will walk down the street
> and we will smile and we won't worry about it...we will not be
> racist...we will not be sexist...we will not be homophobic...we
> will not hate...we will love we will love we will love we will
> love...we will love the ones we hate...w e   w i l l  l o v e
> t h e   o n e s w e   h a t e...
>  - a. ray 8/7/94
>
> just a thought.
>
> peace,
> amy
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subject:      another t-shirt post

my personal preference would be a combo front that had:

a+e=ig

with

"adding up the total of a love that's true,
multiply life by the power of two."

maybe with some artwork as well.

i just think they go togeather nicely.  if people are concearned about
not having the indigo girls on the shirt, then maybe the first part could
be a+e=indigo girls  (i hope that isn't sacreligious to suggest).
anyway, just a thought

btw, thanks for all the nice posts about language or the kiss, i really
enjoyed reading all of them,

peace, love, and mooo,

  harry a. keates
  email: hak@crai.com

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subject:      t-shirts

hey guys.
        why can there only be one quote on the shirt?

        how about something like the a+e=ig on the front with "indigo girls"
on the back and maybe the "global" quote kinda big since it relates to the
list with several other quotes kinda "strewn" strategically aroud.  we
could vote on our top 5 (or whatever) quotes and put those on the shirt.
just a thought.

keith

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is anybody out there driving to new orleans from somewhere in the area of
the midwest?  if so, we're three college students in minnesota still
searching for a way to make our dream come true.  if anybody wants to
carpool or just has ideas in general please e-mail me privately.

thanks, elisabeth
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subject:      re: religion in their music?

on tue, 23 apr 1996 20:13:44 -0400, bradley mockabee <bmocka11@calvin.edu>
wrote:

>hey everybody.  first of all i want to thanks a bunch of you for your
>quick response when i said i was new to the digest and i wanted some
>info.  that was great.  i wanted to know if there was anyone out there
>who finds christianity in the music of the indigo girls.  to me they are
>highly religious.  i'm a student at calvin college in grand rapids
>michigan.  it's a christian college, and i think that the girls have a
>pretty strong following here, at least for a school this size.  i
>wondered if anyone knows about anything amy or emily might have said in
>any interviews that would stamp my ticket.  to me it's pretty obvious
>that they have god in their lives.  just thought i'd bring it up.  thanks

>brad mockabee

the short answer, imnsho, is yes.

the long answer is that it depends on one's definition of christianity.
having been raised a fundamentalist (conservative baptist), i now consider
myself a theist (i.e., i believe in a supreme being) who's faith or belief
system is informed/influenced by christianity. in some circles, that still
makes me a christian (though i don't consider myself one).

my guess (and i can't cite off the top of my head any examples from ig
songs except for song titles) is that amy and emily are in a similar place
to me. as out lesbians, fundamentalist christianity has no real place for
them, no? except as "sinners" who need to be saved...

i think of a&e, based on what i've read in their songs and in various and
sundry articles i've read (there's an interview in performing songwriter
from a few years ago that may or may not have the key to what you're
looking for -- i haven't read it and i have th emagazine on order) as
essentially theists who are informed/influenced by christianity.

i hope this makes sense. good question, btw! i look forward to reading
everyone else's answers to your post. i'm sure there are better scholars of
ig than i...

regards,
rahadyan

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at 12:36 pm 04/25/1996 -0700, you wrote:
>at 12:38 am 4/24/96 -0500, trinket wrote:
>>more t-shirt ideas:
>>
>>1)  "a + e =ig  the alphabet of feeling"
>cool... i really like this one... check check + double check!!!!!
>isn't everyone just making his/her own t-shirt anyway???? if that's the case
>why don't ya'll just put that genius quote ( can't recall who said it...
>sorry... )
>"igc cos we're full of it"

actually.... both of these came from the same source (trinket)

;-)

marianne

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everything that i believe is wrong with you
        is wrong with me.
everything i truly love, i love in you and i love in me.
                (amy, hand me downs)

peace,
karey

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subject:      t-shirt

ooooohhh, ooooohhhhh i just love
a+e=ig..the alphabet of feeling.
oh god i love that!

good call the one who went back to bed.

erika
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subject:      why i like a+e=ig

someone wrote:
> sorry if i'm blaspheming here, but i've never understood the greatness of
> a+e=ig.  anyone care to enlighten me?
>
i like it because it is ambiguous and not everyone knows what/who you are
wearing and it's catchy...and uhhh..that's about it.

peace,
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subject:      amy ray is going solo!!!

at least for one night that is.  i just saw the may calendar for eddie's
attic and amy ray is listed as performing on thursday may 30th.  is it
possible that there are two amy rays in atlanta.  maybe it is a new band that
calls themselves amy ray to get people to come to their shows, but i tend to
doubt it.

i am definitely going, no matter what it takes.  i think we should try to
organize some kind of pilgrimage down to atlanta for this show.  if there are
enough people interested in going and possibly spending a few days down
there, i could probably work something out with one of the hotels down there
to give us a discounted rate.  let me know if you are interested.  we need to
act extremely fast on this one.  talk to y'all soon.

let it grow

bert

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subject:      is anyone out there????

hey all... just wondering if something's up with my stoooopppiiidddd server
again... i've gotten no mail from the ig list ( shudder )since last night...
just stuff from the eagles list... a list i never subscribed to... so i'm
totally baffled. has anyone been posting??? this is weird... y'all had so
much fun stuff to say yesterday... i hope i'm not missing out on something
good... ( and, if there is a problem with my server, i know i *am* missing
something good, given the general coolness of the people on this list )....
arrrggghhhh <teeth clenched in frustration>
well... have a great one.
peace, kim.
<kim fischer>
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on my way to the airport i would
have been at, anyway.
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subject:      re: quote time again (hand me downs)

of all i've seen....this one gets my vote!

>
> everything that i believe is wrong with you
>         is wrong with me.
> everything i truly love, i love in you and i love in me.
>                 (amy, hand me downs)
>
> peace,
> karey
>
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michelle shocked

"the world was meant for me, don't bury me"
amy ray

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am i banned from the ig list? how come i have no messages?
ben

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subject:      a short story

speaking of hearing ig in public places...

i was waitressing in a restaurant in dc this past summer and having
about the worst shift you could imagine and was about to flip out and
pour diet coke over a woman who asked for ordered steak and then sent
it back  when over the radio in the most beautiful floaty way i heard
"ghost" come on.  i am sure you all know
how amazing this song is-and on the radio?! i swear the gods wanted
me to have a better night.

jody

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subject:      re: religion in their music?

not to start a _serious_ discussion or anything, but...

>who finds christianity in the music of the indigo girls.  to me they are
>highly religious.  i'm a student at calvin college in grand rapids
>michigan.  it's a christian college, and i think that the girls have a
>pretty strong following here, at least for a school this size.  i

does anyone else find it absolutely fascinating that the girls have a "strong
following" at one christian college because of their message, and someone else
recently posted that they're sorta shunned at another christian college?

people can be endlessly confusing to me.

folkisgruven,
lorindigo
driving...

    i           will            not        be               complacent
lorinda wright           "learn to pretend there's more than love that
lw01@lehigh.edu           matters. -e.s.
lehigh university         "and i drove out of there with no one behind
bethlehem, pa             me. i was feeling funny and free. -a.r.
    i           will            not         be              complacent

so if i am not who you thought i was, well hello it's nice to meet you.
willing to wait. i will survive. i will love every minute of my life. i will
not concede. i will believe. -melissa ferrick

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dear mandy & list:

>"what separates me from you?"

i  like this idea.


melissa
"who hasnt received a msg since 4/23 at night; what is going on?"

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subject:      re: language or the kiss

i have always thought the lines "oh, the fear i've known-that i might
reap the praise of strangers and end up on my own..."  was emily
making a point that all the distinction and kudos of the world don't
satisfy if there is no one there when you get home.  but maybe i
think that because secretly i don't actually believe i'll ever find
and hang onto "that special one." does anyone?

jody

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well, i have lurked for a little bit and already talked to a couple of
you so i thought that i'd add my bio.  by the way if there are any other
w&m students or alum out there i'd live to here from you.  also i just
wanted to say that from what i've seen so far a lot of you have varied
music tastes.  i've been on other lists where peoples lists are pretty
one dimensional.

> my info:
>
> name:  amy luraine capistran
> d.o.b.:  november 9, 1975
> residence:manchester nh   but am in williamsburg va now
> occupation: college student at william and mary.  soph. bio. major
> main hobbies:  music, loafing, procrastinating
> ig fan since:  1993 a late comer i know
> # of ig concerts:1, newport last year.  fun. fun in the rain!
> fave music:  indigo girls, billy joel, ani difranco, melissa etheridge,
sarah mclaughlin, tori amos, the beatles, rem, k.d. lang, no doubt, cowboy
junkies, and many more
> last concert attended:bush/no doubt, went mainly for no doubt, and
they rocked.  bush was pretty good
> fave authors:  tom clancy, rachel carson
> other interests:  i plan to be a marine biologist, so anything
involving water.
> pets:  1 smart cat, 1 dumb dog
> relationship:  currently trying to make up a man to get my mom off of
my back, any suggestions?
> list member since: may 1996
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subject:      quote poll

while this is, i'm certain, an ig quote poll, i do want to throw out
a personal favorite from les miserables....

"to love another person is to see the face of g-d"
from the finale

honorable mention (same play)

"here comes a prince, there goes a jew, this one's a queer, but what
can you do?"
from "beggar at the feast"


melissa

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subject:      caroline aiken in boston  (nigc)

just wanted to let all interested know that caroline aiken's
set at the kendall cafe is due to begin at 9:45 ..it is afte
rthe open mike so she may be able to play a bit longer than
expected.  i gotta get up at 6 tomorrow so i dont know if i will
make it (and the collective who cares? can heard across the net)
but i wanted to let all otehr interested parties "in" on the
scoop.


amy p.                          /       who holds your hand
pegasus@crl.com                /        when you're alone
                              /
the original photo monk      /                  --patty larkin

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subject:      heeeellloooooo?

"hey, where is everybody?".....  "heellllooooo," tamara says.  only her solemn
echo can be heard reverberating throughout the empty and darkened room.  just
then she hears the unmistakable sound of bicycle bells in the distance....
they're growing louder... aaahhhhhhhhhhhhhh.... run for your lives!!! (*sadistic
grin*)

sorry folks, but i came home from class only to find no list mail.  i think i
better call guiness so that he can put this in his book of world records (i.e.
moodest listserve group)!!  this contrasted to yesterday, when i got around 75
messages!  sheesh...

ohhhhh... wait a minute... today is secretary's day!  how dare i forget!
everyone is off celebrating their secretarialness or their secretary's
secretarialness..... pardon me.  i'll go back into the shadows now... as you
were.... type on, type on...

peace and moody list groups,

tamara

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subject:      what's up doc?

oooops!  what i meant to say was "moodiest listserv group!"

now, back to your regularly scheduled programing.....   -t.m.-

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subject:      hmmm....

but wait... what is this?  listserv halted!!  held by owner?!  this explains
everything.... yet explains nothing!  in times like these, there is only one
thing to say, "who's the queen and why did she close the door?!?!"   -t.m.-

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subject:      song of the day

i'm new to the list what is the song of the day?

peace love and good music

whit

whit kuhn
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ok, so i read the post from deb about mle (melissa etheridge) and the interview
that amy ray had, and i stand sort of corrected.  but vh-1 and island really
do not help the matter.....so what do we mle fans do?  write her and ask her
to sing songs like "occasionally" on the next album.... because i will.  the idea of fighting 12 year olds for tickets to mle concerts irritates me.....a lot!
i can hear it now...."omigod!  after i see melissa next month, the next night itis on to the mariah carey show!!"  (rant rant, i know...)

and don't even get me going on the "i-wanted-to-be-a-filmmaker-but-i-couldn't-
cut-the-mustard" joan osborne.  she is just not my forte'.

ok, i have ranted enough.  please be nice to me when you post.....i am having
a rough moment dealing with the minor adjustment to my opinion of the mle
situation..<smile>

later-

karrie


                   "water retention is not new to me...."
                             -emily saliers

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i must've erased the message, but i want to say that whoever said to
just have igc cos we're full of it is a pure-d genious!!  simple, elegant, cryptic,
and it could have a picture on the other side.
peace,
karey

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subject:      irc ?

hi everyone!
i remember a while back some of you were talking about a channel that
discussed the girls...i believe it was #indigogirls....the thing is i
don't know what server it is on...could someone please telll me?  i'd
appreciate it a great deal!
thanks,
erika
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:) claire!!! i too have been having ig dreams lately!
okay, it's weird- i'm in this record store, on my knees, searching
through the records. "joking" comes on the radio.
i sing along (amy's part) and hear someone behind me singing emily's
part perfectly!!!
i turn around and it's emily.
i wake up.
okay, it's not an exciting dream.
:)
um, anyway, i also wanted to say that i went to atlanta this weekend!
had a great time!!! the top 5 things about my trip

*southern breakfast- we're talking, bacon, biscuits, and gravy!!!

*discovering the suburbs of atlanta- i'm ready to move!!

*rainy day records!!! oh, how fortunate that i had just 20 bucks.
if there's anybody who hasn't been there before, let me tell you- it
rocks!! the first thing i saw was a jcs t-shirt in the window, the right
wall is covered with photographs of musicians -lots of amy & emily!!
they've got ig stuff i've never seen before- (singles)- and lots of...

*ani difranco- thanks to everyone who wrote to me with info on how to
get ani's stuff!!!! at rdr they had an entire section of ani's stuff!!
i ended up picking out "not a pretty girl" and i'm loving it!! :)

*meeting my very best e-mail friend at rainy day records & helping her
pick out her first ig album ("rites of passage"- what do ya think?).
the cool thing was that, even though we'd never even laid eyes on each
other before (not even a picture) we knew immediately who it was!!!

okay, sharing time is over. :)
by the way, am i the only one who's about to scream in excitement
because the ig show is just...

seven days and (about) 23 hours away!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:)
rick
(newly red headed)


oh yeah...claire- in answer to your camera question- i read in the jazz
festival's survival guide that, and i quote:
"pictures: lightweight and cheap cameras. unless you're a pro, leave the
expensive and bulky stuff at home."

so bring it on!! click away!!! i'll be there with my little snappy
chronicling the greatest day of my life!!!!!
(yeah, sad, isn't it? ;)

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subject:      re: secret codes in songs (and society)
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oh my gosh....i'm a lesbian too!!!!!!  ;)

anybody else feel like singing the dr. pepper song?? :)
"i'm a pepper he's a pepper wouldn't ya like to be a pepper too??"

rick
(would have a serious crush on gillian anderson if he was a lesbian, but thinks
he'll stick to his keanu reeves obsession. ;)

<<date:    tue, 23 apr 1996 09:17:08 -0500
from:    j a m i e <suthardj@southwestern.edu>

i have another secret code that is a sure way to tell a lesbian in a
crowd.  all lesbians wear combat boots.  yes, it's true.  those big black
clunky things mean only one thing. . . the "l" word.  and shhoooooosh!
don't ask anyone in the military about it, they aren't allowed to tell
you that the whole lot of them are lesbians.  ha ha ha

thanks for the laughs,

jamie>>

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feeling a bit
on the wacky side today.
it's this new red dye job.
anyway...my vote is certainly for
"the best thing you've ever done for me
is to help me take my life less seriously"!!!

but you know...
any quote you could possibly come up with is gonna rock. :)

rick
!!!!

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i think that this list of who's going is a great idea!!!
i was also thinking that those of us who are gonna be hanging around on friday
and saturday, doing the tourist thing, ought to wear ig shirts or something so
we can say "hey!!!!!!!!!!!!!" to each other.
:)
unfortunately i do not have an ig shirt, so you'll just have to look out
for the geek with the red hair and the glasses.
or maybe i'll just write "fanboy" in black marker across my head. ;)

rick
(who's letters seem to be appearing to some people without many spaces,
but um, it's looking okay right now...???)

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in a message dated 96-04-25 16:55:02 edt, tamara writes:

>"who's the queen and why did she close the door?!?!"   -t.m.-

thats it !!!! thats the t-shirt quote !!!!!!!!!

... the entity known as the ig list spins wildly out of
control as it nears that point in time that shall be known
as "the new orleans experience" it flys too close to the sun
and crashes and burns, only to rise from it's ashes like
a phoenix screaming i exist !! i am the ig list !!!!
and as god is my witness, i shall never be cranky again !!!

whew !!

claire(diablito mono)

'so it only gos to show, that you don't know what you've got
'till it's gone...." (her royal joni-ness)

"it's aliiiiiiiiiiiiivvvvvvvvvvveeeeee !!!!!"
(dr. frankensteeen *not stein*)

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              <jennifer=hall%ts=syscall2%cs=hou@bangate.compaq.com>
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subject:      re: t-shirts

i like this idea also.  "what separates me from you?"  good choice !!

- jen hall

!!!!!!!!!!!!  one week from tonight i'll be seeing my idols for the first
time !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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from m gordon <hdtx97a@prodigy.com>, on 4/24/96 3:17 pm:
to: <indigo-girls@netspace.org>

dear mandy & list:

>"what separates me from you?"

i  like this idea.


melissa
"who hasnt received a msg since 4/23 at night; what is going on?"

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subject:      hello?nigc,  for the most part

i see posts like this one from time to time so it's common, i guess,
but are you all being really quiet today  or am i just not getting
the list?  this is the first time in weeks that i came in to check
my e-mail and there was not one thing...from the list, that is.
i know it's not my server this time because i got other stuff...
help!
                   sharon

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have you guys ever met someone who would rather listen to mariah carey than
ig?  i have....my best bud and former roommate beth.  this is an on-going
battle between her and i, and i was just told she committed the ultimate
no-no.... she played mariah in my cd player this afternoon.  yes, i can
excuse it due to spring fever, but she has been razzing me about ig (lovingly)
for ever!!!!

anyone else have this problem?

later-
karrie

                         "water retention is not new to me..."
                                   -emily saliers

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subject:      free dar and catie in berkely! (nigc)

hi y'all,

am i the only one who got _zero_ mail from the server today?  is something
messed?  i'm unsubscribing and resubscribing to see if that helps...

ok, got this from some aquaintances who have a band here at stanford
called "the girl and i," seems that they're playing with dar williams and
catie curtis in berkeley (does anyone have half a clue how insanely
jealous i am???)  but the important thing: free show!  free dar and catie!

here's the forward...  -scot

---------- forwarded message ----------
sunday, 4-28-96
      big shin-dig with dar williams, catie curtis
      4th & herst in berkeley ca -- noon
      free!!!
      this thing is gonna be cool.  dar and catie are really great,
      and they are expecting over a thousand people to show up.
      to get there:  take the bay bridge and stay on 80 towards
      sacramento.  take university ave exit in berkeley.  you
      will cross 4th st in a few blocks.  4th & herst is a couple
      blocks to the left, so try to park somewhere.  parking will
      suck hard.   fun in the sun.  cool part of berkeley.

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subject:      nigc - just checking

just want to see if my server is down or if the list is down.  sorry to take
up the space if this gets to you and not to me.


----------------------------------------------------------------------
the thing is, people draw this line and they want you to be on one
side or the other.  so, if i had to say anything, i'd say i'm
standing on the line.  but, if i'm standing on the line, how am i
supposed to dance around?
                                               - ani difranco

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subject:      purple parrot ?'s, etc...

hello, fellow indigo fans!  i decided to delurk long enough to ask a coupla
questions about purple parrot (thanks for the copy, jude =o) ).  i know this
has been asked before, but i never heard the answer: who gave emily a hug
every time she dropped her pick??  also, what did amy say right before they
started singing "the weakness in
me"?  i thought it sounded like "me & the band, me & the band"...or "needin'
a van,
needin' a van"...the possibilities in my over-active imagination are endless.
=)
   the other thing i wanted to ask about as long as i was delurking for a
while is whether
some kind soul would be willing to let me send them a blank tape for a copy
of the "i
will not be complacent" soc.  i have seen it in print, but seeing isn't the
same
as hearing where ig are concerned.  thanks, wonderful ig friends! =)
sorry to take up space--i have gotten _so_ much mail lately from the list!
moo isn't just for cows anymore,
carrie (indigopony)

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from:         "tracy weeks et. al." <clumber9@alliance.net>
subject:      form two lines, y'all

alright everyone... this has gone far enough!  effective immediately y'all are required to form two lines as follows:  kim will take on the western half of n. america (tho she is currently unaware of this, so be nice to her), whilst i will take on the eastern half plus any and all non-n. american listers with accents... however, those w/ accents will  additionally be required to read to me.... anything...    but i digress.
        i am announcing the distribution of the *official* ig-lister "paper bag".  yes, for as long as we'all seem to need it, kim and i will distribute and instruct y'all in the proper use of this tool.  when y'all read something that gets your hackles up do not ~repeat~ do not reach for your keyboard, but insted for the official ig-l paper bag!  place bag firmly but gently over your nose and mouth, then breathe deeply (being careful not to exhale so vehemently as to *break* paper bag, after all - consider the forests!) there - now don't you feel better?
        an added bonus of the ig-lister paper bag - you can write your own favorite quote on it!

celebrate our differences!
take care, all!
tracy <who keeps her handy-dandy black leather studded bag *right* next to her 'puter>
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*       sincere woofs -- tracy weeks
*                               and the beast patrol:
*            true, holly da' bear, molly, & looker (et. al)
*
*      i may believe something passionately, that does not make me right.
*           i may disagree with you fervently, that does not make you wrong.
*        keep talking.  the vital lessons are those that force me
*                       to change my mind.

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hey everyone...

        i waited until the last minute to tell you this because i wasn't
sure it would happen, but....

for those of you who are going to new orleans, i'll be bringing 25 copies
of blood and fire.  i had to order them a long time ago from a bootleg god
far far away.  now they have arrived and i will make them available to
anyone wanting to purchase a copy.  anyway, you can look for me @ la
quinta with the rest!  they're $25 each to cover my costs, and as far as
i know, this one and nothing to hide are getting very hard to find.  (like
they're not already)

happy wednesday,

see y'all there!

miranda

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subject:      attention sarah wardrop :)

sarah, your e-mail address-> swardrop@sps.edu was rejected by my
postmaster. please get in touch with me so i can give you my address
for your tape.  :)

just one of the girls,
mindigo

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subject:      t-shirts...

whatever we do about these, i don't know about everyone on the list, but
most of us are college students who will not have access to the list over
the summer...  so, are we  going to do these soon?  or during the summer?
or fall?  eh?
-mandy

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subject:      ???(nigc)

hello everbody!
i was just wondering if anybody else is having problems with the list?  for
some reason there has been no mail?  just curious!
kelly
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me too...  on everything in this post...   -mandy

on wed, 24 apr 1996 indigopony@aol.com wrote:

> hello, fellow indigo fans!  i decided to delurk long enough to ask a coupla
> questions about purple parrot (thanks for the copy, jude =o) ).  i know this
> has been asked before, but i never heard the answer: who gave emily a hug
> every time she dropped her pick??  also, what did amy say right before they
> started singing "the weakness in
> me"?  i thought it sounded like "me & the band, me & the band"...or "needin'
> a van,
> needin' a van"...the possibilities in my over-active imagination are endless.
> =)
>    the other thing i wanted to ask about as long as i was delurking for a
> while is whether
> some kind soul would be willing to let me send them a blank tape for a copy
> of the "i
> will not be complacent" soc.  i have seen it in print, but seeing isn't the
> same
> as hearing where ig are concerned.  thanks, wonderful ig friends! =)
> sorry to take up space--i have gotten _so_ much mail lately from the list!
> moo isn't just for cows anymore,
> carrie (indigopony)
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at 08:13 pm 4/23/96 -0400, you wrote:
>hey everybody.  first of all i want to thanks a bunch of you for your
>quick response when i said i was new to the digest and i wanted some
>info.  that was great.  i wanted to know if there was anyone out there
>who finds christianity in the music of the indigo girls.  to me they are
>highly religious.  i'm a student at calvin college in grand rapids
>michigan.  it's a christian college, and i think that the girls have a
>pretty strong following here, at least for a school this size.  i
>wondered if anyone knows about anything amy or emily might have said in
>any interviews that would stamp my ticket.  to me it's pretty obvious
>that they have god in their lives.  just thought i'd bring it up.  thanks
>
>brad mockabee
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i think i can help you...

*e was my camp counselor, and although it was years ago, she was very
religious then.

*e's father is a methodist minister and a religion professor at emory univ.
and is, as far as i know, a religious man.

*a's father directs the choir at a methodist chuch in a suburb of atlanta
and the family, including a, are members there.

*the wood song, which i always interpreted to be about noah's ark, is more
theological than most hymns i know--i'd definately agree on the influence of
religion in the music...

i hope i helped.  i'm a new kid too, and this may be old school stuff, but i
tried...>
courtney williams
lcwillia@emory-henry.emory.va.us

"on wednesday when the sky is blue,
and i have nothing else to do,
i sometimes wonder if it's true
that who is what and what is who."
                  winnie the pooh

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hi people-
i am not getting any messages today and i am corn-fussed.
i tried emailing listserv@netspace.org with the message set indigo-girls
mail, because it worked for me last time, but i did that twice today, and
i didn't get any response at all.  is anyone else having this problem?
can anyone help me?
amanda
bakkena@stolaf.edu

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subject:      re.: t-shirt quotey things

greetings, earth creatures (and claire).  the pest (vide danna) is back.  the
pest is dismayed to report (to what i'm sure will be your shared horror) (is
the sarcasm a bit too heavy?) that said pest's mailbox has turned the
majority of her mail to mush.  the pest therefore apologizes if any and/or
all of the following quotes have already been submitted for shirts.

no particular order; that would be against my nature.  such as it is.

1) "handed down & made by hand"
2) "wide-eyed and laughing, dancing up to the bright side" (or either half)
3) "every devil i meet becomes a friend of mine"
4) "that little spot on the ground is my hometown"
5) "remember this as how it should be"
6) "your actions will follow you full circle 'round"
7) "the thin horizon of a plan is almost clear"
8) "welcome me to a haven given"
9) "remember this in your heart"
10) "give me walking shoes, feathered arms, & a key to heaven's gate"
11) "the prize is always worth the rocky ride"
12) "everything i truly love i love in you and i love in me"
13) "it's hard not to rock the boat when you're sailing against the undertow"
14) "the heart and the mind on a parallel course"
15) "if the world is night, shine my life like a light"
16) "we swore to ourselves we'd go to the end of the world"

there.  donations of sticks and stones will be accepted with quiet dignity
and grace.

~danna

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subject:      mailing list

to whom it may concern:

please send me information on how to get into the indigo girls' fan club or
be on a mailing list. thank you

carly8278@aol.com

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subject:      cnn

they did a little segment on ig and their politcally based music...i was
going balistic, while the relatives wondered if i was really related...

ar rocked at eddie's on wed... anybody else there?

                                sharon

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subject:      meet at cafe du monde 5/3 at 9pm

let's put a stake in the ground:
how about meeting at cafe du monde on friday 5/3 at 9pm. wear one of your
ig t shirts or be prepared to hum an ig tune while you're waiting, so that
we can recognize each other or something. i'll be there with another die
hard ig fan and my girlfriend.

we'll be arriving in no friday at 6:17pm (or thereabouts). if you'd like to
join us on a whirlwind tour of no on 5/4 before the concert, leave a
message for me at the desk.

see y'all soon,

monique

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subject:      nigc/ligc: riverpoets concert dates in ca

these women are awesome! i discovered them last winter when we happened to
see flyers for one of their concerts at the kuumbwa jazz center in santa
cruz and i've been meaning to share the discovery with other folks on the
list.

they started out as an ig-like folk duo and then added a bass player and a
drummer. the current band has been playing together for about two years and
they have a great sound. it's a nice change from the two acoustic guitars
thing, even if we love ig.
they are definitely influenced by ig, but they have developed their own
style, with interesting lyrics and strong melodies. the lead guitar player
and bass player are terrific instrumentalists and they have some kick ass
solos on many songs.

do yourself a favor if you live close to santa cruz or la and check them out.
upcoming concert dates:

largo pub - los angeles friday 4/26 10:30pm.

they mentionned that they would be playing at dizzy debbie in la that
week-end, probably saturday 4/27. you might want to call and check if
you're planning on going.

rosie mccanns - santa cruz saturday 5/4 9:30-12:30pm - pacific avenue. if
you can't be in no, this is the place to be on 5/4!

if you'd like to check out their cd, it's available from herland bookstore
in santa cruz. you can probably mail order it from herland if you're not
from the area.

if you have www access, check out their home page at:
http://www.iuma.com/iuma-2.0/ftp/volume7/riverpoets/
you can also order their cd from there.

riverpoets contact info/mailing list:
p.o. box 2567 santa cruz ca 95063
vpt@cruzio.com


i'll post more concert dates when i get them.

cheers,

monique

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wow, i got 162 messages from the list on monday&tuesday and then two
messages on wednesday.  what happened?? did you all already head to new
orleans??  :)
linda

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subject:      amy at eddie's 4-24-96

i'm still caught up in a cyclone of sound and vibrations...
i was ten feet away from amy ray tonight...
while she sang i sat... trying not to let my chin hit the floor.
she played with two other folks... their names?   hmmmmm... amy and amy?
no... it was sheila doyle and michael somebody (loraint?) from big fish
ensemble.
i was ten feet away from amy ray tonight...
she played guitar, and mandolin, and electric guitar, and drums...
my girlfriend ran into her in the bathroom (she hovered over the seat right
after amy)...
they said hello to each other...
i was ten feet away from amy ray tonight...
the place was eddie's attic, this is why i moved to atlanta...
we paid a five dollar cover and sat in a room with maybe 250 people in it...
the crowd was mostly lesbians and no one went crazy when amy tuned up...
i was ten feet away from amy ray tonight...
oh lord! somebody pinch me!  no, i don't want to wake up from this dream...
call me a groupie... call me a fanatic...
all i can say is...
i was ten feet away from amy ray tonight!
~~robin
"i am looking for someone who can take as much as i give, and give back as
much as i need and still have the will to live (oh lord!)"  --a.ray

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subject:      nigc - help!! no mail!

i'm sorry to bother the whole list with this -- could a kind soul out there
please mail me the messages that have been posted in the past 24 hours or so?
for some reason, i have not been receiving any mail. unless, of course, no
one has been writing -- which i find very hard to believe ... and if i could
request for the assistance of the list owner or list manager as to what the
problem might be? thanks very very much!

anna

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subject:      re: nigc...the sexual thing

>be just as accepted as the fact that one is blonde, and the other brunette.

bzzzzz! wrong answer. it's red. red i tell you! red!
:)
:)

folkisgruven,
lorindigo
driving...

    i           will            not        be               complacent
lorinda wright           "learn to pretend there's more than love that
lw01@lehigh.edu           matters. -e.s.
lehigh university         "and i drove out of there with no one behind
bethlehem, pa             me. i was feeling funny and free. -a.r.
    i           will            not         be              complacent

so if i am not who you thought i was, well hello it's nice to meet you.
willing to wait. i will survive. i will love every minute of my life. i will
not concede. i will believe. -melissa ferrick

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hey gang anybody out there? i haven't received a thing for more than 24
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keep on keepin' on.( b. dylan)

they also surf who only stand on waves. (anon)

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kelly and i have been deprived of the list for a few days now.  i was
wondering if there is something wrong with us or the computers.  if
you have any help for us what-so-sver could you please e-mail one or
both of us privately.  kelly's address is
wuzupspecialk@mail.utexas.edu and my (jj)'s address is
jjaffe@luc.edu.  any help that anyone can offer is much appreciated.
thanks in advance-
jj  (and kelly)

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        hello everyone,
        i had to sign off for many moons do to work and fun related travel.
        jazz fest starts this weekend,  and at the risk of bringing up a
        topic that i am sure was discussed ad nausium,  was there a final
        decision of identifying clothing for the concert and any local
        get togethers.
        thanks
        sylvia in new orleans

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subject:      happy birthday!!!  (april 25, 1996)

happy birthday lisa and mandy!!!!


"...confusion wants to break me and it tries but i've been a little bit
stronger from the start listen to my heart..."

"...if i have a care in the world i have a gift to bring..."

birthday folks:
lhardawa@wscgate.wsc.edu  (lisa)
afiegle@cluster.ucs.indiana.edu (mandy)
* :) *

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subject:      nigc--what the  ?????

whats with all u guys complaining about no list???? just wondering cause i
came home about a half hour ago with 71 messages waiting since i last
checked it at 10:30 last night. how is it that you arent getting them and i
are? (nice english, eh?? :) *sigh* just gotta love computers...

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subject:      re: quotes

   well, i still like the global life best for the t-shirt, but "if the
world is night, shine my life like a light" is pretty damn cool too.

corinne!!

p.s.  three hits- a heterosexual love triangle?  please offer your
personal interpretations, if you have one... drop me an individual note!

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if the list recieves this could some of you ping me, i'm not recieving any mail from the list
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it did not.

thanks for your help,

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this is a test of the ig-listserve brodcast electrons.  this is only a
test.  had this been an actuall emergency there would be lots of screeming...

sorry, guys.  but for some reason, i have not been receiving listserve
mail for the past two days, so i needed to send out this test.

missing the list,
heather

sometimes the answer is "no solution."

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              <pine.sun.3.91.960423203515.3157c-100000@discover>

"if the world is night, shine my life like a light"

i have to agree with rob and mandy and jenifer-- i *like* this one the
best of all (even just the last half... though we could do a
front-and-back thing with it (back: if the world is night...  front:
shine my life like a light)) (like how i balanced my parens?)

it even beats out my suggestion,

  "i woke up with a headache like my head against a board".

take care,
naz

bio bits:
real name:      phil dean
real birthdate: 11/15/51
residence:      nevada, iowa
day job:        programmer/analyst with dairy records (i count cows)
                (& the occasional goat)
musical tastes: indigo girls, joni mitchell, ricki lee jones,
                clannad, enya, tuck & patti, dire straits/knopfler,
                little feat, van morrison, chieftains, pat metheny &
                lyle mayes, steve goodman, bonnie rait, john prine,
                melissa etheridge, silly wizard, heart, james taylor,
                simple minds, stone roses, grateful dead, judy collins,
                aimee mann (sp?), eileen ivers (fiddle!), carole king,
                bob dylan, the band, csn & sometimes y, sundays.........
                to mention a few and omit a lot...
instruments:    guitar, some hammered dulcimer, bodhran (irish drum),
                and my latest toy, a mandolin!
favorite ig song of the day:
                hammer and an ale
favorite way to end a bio:  .


>on tue, 23 apr 1996, kindness wrote:
>
>> on tue, 23 apr 1996 ncrobino@aol.com wrote:
>>
>> > if the world is night, shine my life like a light.
>>
>> oooh!!!!!   that's a good one !!!!!!!  can we do that?  huh? huh?
>> daaaaaaddy?  ppleeeaase?
>> -mandy
>
>i agree.  i like that one too!!
>
>jenifer
>s013jem@discover.wright.edu
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subject:      laquinta roll call

hey,

i'll volunteer to compile the list of la quinta folks......

send me an e-mail if you're staying there.....i'll try to post a daily list

:)

eric

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i love you all, and i love all the discussion, but hasn't it been lotk day
for about a week now?
<duck>
what's next?
peace out,
karey

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subject:      quotes ideas

i too love lotk buti think everyone has already said everything i would
so i won't reiterate.

quote ideas, very diffucult b/c there is jus tso many ...

--everything i truly love i love in you and i love in me

--i'm looking for a sacred hand to carve into my stone

--i see a warrior barefoot and dancing

--now you ask me why i'm here, same as you i'm scared it's fear

--you set up a place in my thoughts, moved in and made my thinking crowded

--i'd wlk into the fingers of your fire willingly

--and dance the edge od sanity i've never been this close

-- i wish her insight to battle loves blindness, straight from the milk
of human kindness, a safe plave for all the peices that scatter, learn to
pretend there more than love that matters.

just some thoughts
kristal the impateint

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subject:      anyone out there

help!  i have not been getting any messages out or in and am going
thru major list withdrawal.

melissa

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i'm just curious, is there anyone else out there that hasn't received a digest
since yesterday morning?  i usually receive 4 or 5 a day, but i haven't received
a thing since that time. *worried i'm gonna miss something important*

peace moo and more digests,

joan :)

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in a message dated 96-04-25 18:57:08 edt, nazman@iastate.edu (naz) writes:

>"if the world is night, shine my life like a light"
>
>i have to agree with rob and mandy and jenifer-- i *like* this one the
>best of all (even just the last half... though we could do a
>front-and-back thing with it (back: if the world is night...  front:
>shine my life like a light)) (like how i balanced my parens?)

i like this one too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :) :)

ricky ricardo

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subject:      dar and catie!!-nigc

i just have to vent

those are two of my all time faves and i *live* in the bay area and i will be
all the way across the country when they both play for free???!!!!!!

sorry i yelled

i had to vent

i knew you would all understand or at least tolerate
um

if anyone has either a boot from this show (after it happens, duh)
or info about future bay area appearences of these 2

please tell me????

(wallowinginsadness)

-larissa

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subject:      amy at eddie's last night

set list? details? boots? please?

thanks

-larissa

(iamstilltryingtogetoverdarandcatieinberkeley)

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on wed, 24 apr 1996, monique barbanson wrote:

> largo pub - los angeles friday 4/26 10:30pm.

anyone going?
anyone interested in going?

allison                         "a man in drag is funny;
edgy@netcom.com                  a woman in drag is armani."

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on 25 apr 96 at 13:05, naz wrote:

> "if the world is night, shine my life like a light"

count my vote for this one too!


peace y'all
'
'
dan perkins
post-episodic clairvoyant
tour guide to the obvious
'
'
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their gonna re arrange my molecules
some natuaral laws will have to bend
to get me from the shallow end of the
gene pool"
   -emily kaitz

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on 25 apr 96 at 16:05, jennifer hall wrote:

> i like this idea also.  "what separates me from you?"  good choice !!
>
>  - jen hall


yea! all right i know i already cast my vote for "if the world is
night, shine my life like a light" but i wanna vote twice...
"what separates me from you now" gets my vote toooo

peace y'all
'
'
dan perkins
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tour guide to the obvious
'
'
"their gonna give me a dna transplant
their gonna re arrange my molecules
some natuaral laws will have to bend
to get me from the shallow end of the
gene pool"
   -emily kaitz

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subject:      new orleans!!

all right,

one week from now i will be listening to indigo girls!!!!! allll
rigghttt!!

so, for those of you going to the may 2 show....i am not going to get
a chance to make a moo shirt, but look for me anyhow. i will be
wearing a swamp ophelia t-shirt... i am kinda hard to miss 6' 5"
250lbs, longish hair in a pony tail.

if we miss each other at the show, let's meet up thursday night at
cafe dumonde about 8:30 - 9:00pm.....

see y'all in only 7 days!!

peace and love,

dan perkins
aka
problemschild

"if the world is night, shine my life like a light"
                                        -emily saliers

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date:         fri, 26 apr 1996 10:48:59 +0011
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subject:      bury my heart

hi again

we have just got 1200 curfews downunder - if we can't see the girls
live at least we can hear them.

bmhawk brilliant but who are  leonard peltier and anna mae.

and while i am here, i second the listee who asked  (apols i cant remember who
it was) who is the queen and why did she close the door?

sue
susan jackel <jackels@wizza.agvic.gov.au>

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is this like pdi (public displays of indigo)???
:)
--gwen

on wed, 24 apr 1996, jody k baker wrote:

> speaking of hearing ig in public places...
>
> i was waitressing in a restaurant in dc this past summer and having
> about the worst shift you could imagine and was about to flip out and
> pour diet coke over a woman who asked for ordered steak and then sent
> it back  when over the radio in the most beautiful floaty way i heard
> "ghost" come on.  i am sure you all know
> how amazing this song is-and on the radio?! i swear the gods wanted
> me to have a better night.
>
> jody
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subject:      re: t-shirt

five words...

"what seperates me from you?"


*smile*

*peace* emily

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subject:      indie music

g'day

not being a north american and reading ig stuff and seeing them
associated with indie music - i just must ask - what is "indie"
music?

also while on this thread - i know that there is no one like a + e
but what other singers are in the same genre as the girls?  record
companies distribute selectively in oz so i am always looking for
recommendations for good new music.

have a great time in no and dance for me too.

sue
susan jackel <jackels@wizza.agvic.gov.au>

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subject:      indie music

g'day

not being a north american and reading ig stuff and seeing them
associated with indie music - i just must ask - what is "indie"
music?

also while on this thread - i know that there is no one like a + e
but what other singers are in the same genre as the girls?  record
companies distribute selectively in oz so i am always looking for
recommendations for good new music.

have a great time in no and dance for me too.

sue

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subject:      dreams, was re: little igc- fanboy does atlanta
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okay, this is weird.  i have had so many ig dreams! last night, for
example.  a&e were playing this little school gym or something.  i was
the only one in front (yeah right!  weren't you guys there?!?  :)  ==>
anyway, em kept coming out and talking to me, pointing at me dancing to
the tunes, stuff like that.  when the concert was over i tried to hang
around and meet them :)  but they were gone, and we all loaded onto
busses to go home (don't know if this was a la jr. high or more like
pearl jam's drop in the park a few years back.)   it was almost as cool
as being there!  i had another one a few weeks ago where they were
running a conference and we were having a food fight at some
camp....hmmm, there's a grade school theme running here....

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i concur.  this "quote" is it.  imho, of course.

on thu, 25 apr 1996 mmedido@aol.com wrote:

> in a message dated 96-04-25 16:55:02 edt, tamara writes:
>
> >"who's the queen and why did she close the door?!?!"   -t.m.-
>
> thats it !!!! thats the t-shirt quote !!!!!!!!!
>
> ... the entity known as the ig list spins wildly out of
> control as it nears that point in time that shall be known
> as "the new orleans experience" it flys too close to the sun
> and crashes and burns, only to rise from it's ashes like
> a phoenix screaming i exist !! i am the ig list !!!!
> and as god is my witness, i shall never be cranky again !!!
>
> whew !!
>
> claire(diablito mono)
>
> 'so it only gos to show, that you don't know what you've got
>  'till it's gone...." (her royal joni-ness)
>
> "it's aliiiiiiiiiiiiivvvvvvvvvvveeeeee !!!!!"
> (dr. frankensteeen *not stein*)
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i also hate to nitpick ... to the person who included the lyrics of "love will
come to you" in their message (deleted it accidentally -- sorry!) -- i
believe it's not

"_straight_ from the milk of human kindness"

but rather,

"_strength_ from the milk of human kindness" ...

small point, i know. thought it might make a bit of a difference in the way
one understands/interprets the lyrics. (if i'm wrong, anyone please let me
know... :)

anna

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subject:      ig dreams...

        i think we're on the subject. someone mentioned it.

        i tend to have dreams where they hate me (probably not too far
from reality, if i did meet amy or emily).  but there was this one where
emily and i were hangin' out and she invites me to her condo (i'm not
sure if we were on a date or something) and we went to her complex and
from the outside it was so dreadfully las vegas.  it was so lit up
and...i know you all will think i'm coocoo for cocoa puffs...charlie's
angels lookin'.  you ever watch reruns of charlie's angels or rockford
files or starsky and hutch and it has a certain film quality.  i didn't
want to go in.  i mean, it was emily and all, but i was too fearful of
being crooned by wayne newton (or worse...tom jones!)...

"i didn't ask for the anal probe," -teri

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subject:      list probs

ya know, as i sit here reading the gazillion digest editions i have received
in a relatively short period of time this evening, following a two-day ig list drought,
a thought crossed my mind:  what a lousy time for the list to be having problems.
had the list not been screwed up, more people might have been able to see the ig segment
on cnn headline news. i mean, they rarely get any meaningful national television
coverage and the one time they do - i miss it cause the list server thingy has
"the flu"!!!! arrrrrrghhhhh!!!!!!!!!  ok, i'll compose myself now.  there was also
some important news about amy playing at eddie's attic (which i couldn't see
anyway, cause i live 4 hrs away in nashville), which i'm sure some folks could
have benefitted from.  this coming week is an important week - let's all pray to
the great list gods that all goes well with the list this week!!!!

peace, love and moo,

joan :)
(who's going to ky for the weekend to visit her folks)

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subject:      indigo girls anagrammed (fwd)

hey all,

a friend of mine ran 'indigo girls' through an anagram program.  thought
it was cool and that i would just pass it along.

see you,

carolyn


'indigo girls' in 2 word anagrams.  my personal favorite is 'lodging iris'
since irises are my favorite flower-- oh so gynic.  :)

   1.origin gilds
   2.oiling grids
   3.losing rigid
   4.indigo girls
   5.lodging iris
   6.origins gild
   7.soiling grid
   8.soiling gird
   9.golding iris


if you want to check other words or phrases for anagrams, check out this
website.

the url is http://infobahn.com/pages/anagram.html

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subject:      t-shirt quote

just to add my tuppence worth to the t-shirt-quote thingummybob...my
vote would go to

a+e=ig

the power of two

i think they sum up everybody's feelings about the music and words of
ig...i think it would look pretty neat with one on the front and the
other on the back.

question though...how are us europeans going to get involved (in
reality) into the t-shirt production distribution...i'm too excited
about it for it not to happen.

anyway, that's my choice!)

love helene


"steer clear of the shore,
the coast is rough and rocky"   kate wolf

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reply-to:     greg matthew flamer <gflame@nwu.edu>
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from:         greg matthew flamer <gflame@nwu.edu>
subject:      what to do when you don't get list mail

after the recent explosion on the list i feel this would be a fine time to
send out a friendly reminder to new folks on the list about what to do when
you haven't received mail from the list in ohhhh... five minutes or so.

first off--don't panic!  if you are this dependent on getting email from
the list you need professional help.  my internet crisis hotline number is
1-800-email-anon.  professionals can help you get through the crisis until
the list is back in working order.

second--don't post messages like "haven't gotten list in two seconds help
me" or  "i need my ig fix.  where is the list?????????????"  this is really
annoying to read all at once when the list comes back and starts working
again.

rather--send an email to a friend you know on the list privately and ask
such questions like "gee ig friend, i haven't received the list in some
time now.  is it me and my faulty server or is the list down?"  this is a
much better way to eliminate clutter on the list.

the list has a lag sometimes so just chill out if you don't receive it
right away.  the messages will come and if it is down you'll know it.

thank you--back to your regularly scheduled igc

greg

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subject:      nigc - peltier, indians (this is long!)

to sue and others:  (warning:  this is looooong - feel free hit the "delete" key)

these are excepts from the "atlas of the north american indian" by carl waldman.

"a shootout on the pine ridge reservation in south dakota in 1975 (between
american indian movement members and the fbi) led to the death of two fbi agents
and the conviction of leonard peltier, who is still in jail and whose situation
has come to be a rallying point for indian activists."

in 1975, "anna mae quash, an aim leader, is found shot to death on the pine
ridge reservation in south dakota."

from what i've read thus far, the history of the pine ridge reservation has been
a very violent and bloody one.  i'm assuming that is because it was the site
of the wounded knee massacre, which has come to symbolize all the crap this
country has done to the native americans.  it's really interesting to read about.
a lot of the struggle (from what i've read) appears to be amongst the indians
themselves: complaints by the younger indian activists that the elder sioux
leaders engaged in corruption, selling out to the government, etc. etc.  i
hope there is someone out there who is well-versed in native american history/
issues who can expand upon (or explain) what i've written.

btw, i've never heard anyone mention it since i've been subscribed to the list,
but has anyone read the book "bury my heart at wounded knee" by dee brown?  i
recently bought the book, but i've only had the time thus far to just look
through it.  the book was originally published in 1970 (holt, rinehart & winston,
publishers), but a second edition was published in 1991 (by henry holt & company -
"owl book" imprint) and includes a preface by the author, dated november 1990,
for the centennial of the wounded knee massacre, which took place on december
29, 1890.  i did, however, immediately skip to the chapter on wounded knee
and read it.  the last three paragraphs of the chapter (and of the book too, for
that is the end of a chapter in indian history) really struck me and i wanted
to share it with those of you who have neither heard the story nor read the
book.  this part describes when soldiers collected the bodies after the
wounded knee massacre:

   after the wounded cavalrymen were started for the agency at pine ridge, a
detail of soldiers went over to the wounded knee battlefield, gathering up indians
who were still alive and loading them into wagons.  as it was apparent by
the end of the day that a blizzard was approaching, the dead indians were left
lying where they had fallen.
   the wagonloads of wounded sioux (four men and forty-seven women and children)
reached pine ridge after dark.  because all available barracks were filled with
soldiers, they were left lying in the open wagons in the bitter cold while
an inept army officer searched for shelter.  finally, the episcopal mission
was opened, the benches taken out, and hay scattered over the rough flooring.
   it was the fourth day after christmas in the year of our lord 1890. when
the first torn and bleeding bodies were carried into the candlelit church,
those who were conscious could see christmas greenery hanging from the open
rafters.  across the chancel front above the pulpit was strung a crudely
lettered banner:  peace on earth, good will to men."

i would highly recommend this book (even though i've only read bits and pieces
of it thus far).  it's essentially an indian history of the american west.
quite a different perspective...

peace,

joan :)

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subject:      t-shirt dilemma solved

happy friday all

the challenge : we have a pile and a half of stunning quotes/socs ( blame those
ig troublemakers for being so prolific ) to fit on one t-shirt, there can of
course be only one solution --->  the ig jumpsuit and matching hat ( pref large
mexican ) !

distinctive ?  yes
functional ?  surely
stylish ?  .......eerrrrrrr......now where did that drawing board go.....

sorry  ;o)
amit

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on fri, 26 apr 1996, amit gandhi wrote:

> the challenge : we have a pile and a half of stunning quotes/socs ( blame those
> ig troublemakers for being so prolific ) to fit on one t-shirt, there can of
> course be only one solution --->  the ig jumpsuit and matching hat ( pref large
> mexican ) !
>
> distinctive ?  yes
> functional ?  surely
> stylish ?  .......eerrrrrrr......now where did that drawing board go.....

surely to fit on every lyric that a&e have ever written ( cos that seems
to be the case ) would need a toga ? or a poncho. alternetively why not
make a selection of shirts so if folk stand together in the correct
order, those who don't know the lyrics can singa along .. all ya need is
a volonteer with a pointy stick ;-)

later .. jules

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subject:      lc day?

hey - glad we're back!  i was getting lonely...

what happened to least complicated day?  did we discuss this?

a few thoughts on this one - firstly - it always makes me smile - another
example of em's knack for the perfect upbeat melodic happyhappyhappy song...
really love the video too...  (for the unenlightened this is where the
'a+e=ig' quote comes from)

secondly - in light of the recent discussion on sexuality and how it relates
to ig music -  well i echo sentiments expressed by helene, angie and others.
i agree that we have no business discussing their personal lives on this
list and i respect them too much to be that intrusive (although it is human
nature to be curious...) while at the same time it helps to know were
they're coming from and we can be proud that they are 'out and proud'.
speaking as one of 'those' sorts of girls myself, i was a fan long before i
knew a&e were gay - although i always had my suspicions thanks to that gay
sixth sense - you get it when you join up at the same time they give you the
secret code and the uniform of combat boots and vests.. ;)
for me, i automatically relate a lot of their music to the gay experience
(sounds like a game show) just because it is my experience.. i appreciate
the fact that they manage to give universal appeal though - that's really
hard to do - as a writer myself i know how hard it is to avoid the use of
that personal pronoun  -  that thread a couple of months back about emily's
famous omission "my baby's gone away, ....went away anyway" really made me
smile....

anyway, back to the point - least complicated has always made me think of my
first love - that
rather-predictable-falling-in-love-with-best-friend-aged-15 type of thing,
even though she was straight.  so the song has always made me think of that
- it was the hardest to learn - meaning the relationship that made me really
admit to myself that i was gay - and the least complicated - i.e. all the
innocence and anticipation of a first love - without the pressures of being
adult and 'out'.  especially that line about' boy and girl are holding hands
in the street - i want to but i guess we just wait' - that seems to say that
she want to display signs of being in a couple but because it's not 'the
norm' then better wait until she's sure...always imagined that emily had
written it about an early girlfriend - 'til of course i heard her say it was
for her boyfriend in 6th grade... so, bang goes my theory...

guess it can apply to all our experiences... :)

*************
seffy
    cod==#
*************
(now playing:  rickie lee jones: naked songs)

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date:         fri, 26 apr 1996 08:28:38 edt
reply-to:     chickensoprano <creechal@cc.emu.edu>
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from:         chickensoprano <creechal@cc.emu.edu>
organization: eastern mennonite university
subject:      re: religion in their music?
x-to:         lw01@lehigh.edu

lorindigo wrote sometime:

> does anyone else find it absolutely fascinating that the girls have a "strong
> following" at one christian college because of their message, and someone else
> recently posted that they're sorta shunned at another christian college?

i didn't get to know the girls until i went to college, and this is a
very christian college.  i think that for the most part, if there is
anything un-christian in their music, i overlook it like i do most
other secualar artists.  i also listen to a lot of christian artist
in the same genre, so as far as getting any spiritual content out of
my music, it's there.  besides the girls and other professional
artists, i like to listen to tapes i've made of our chapel services
when we have had hymnsings.  i think this campus is the only place in
the world that i have heard of where it is not un-common to find
students who _own_ hymnals!  fun memories in the dorm... :)

just my thoughts,
anna

"the one who is making a path without instruments hardly notices when the
path behind is getting crooked unless a friend tells him."
                                  -asante proverb in paraphrased form

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date:         fri, 26 apr 1996 08:46:51 +0000
reply-to:     siteline@inforamp.net
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subject:      bury my heart

susan jackel wrote:

> subject: bury my heart
>
> hi again
>
> we have just got 1200 curfews downunder - if we can't see the girls
> live at least we can hear them.
>
> bmhawk brilliant but who are  leonard peltier and anna mae.
>
> and while i am here, i second the listee who asked  (apols i cant remember who
> it was) who is the queen and why did she close the door?
>
> sue
> susan jackel <jackels@wizza.agvic.gov.au>

leonard peltier is a victim of the u.s. justice system who has spent almost
20 years in prison for a crime that nobody can show he committed.  for more
info on him and efforts at having him given executive clemency for the crime,
try this web site:

http://www.lpsg-co.org/index.html

for more on the story, and for a reference to anna mae pictou aquash, try:

http://web2.starwave.com/outside/online/magazine/0795/7f_leo1.html


but who is the queen?

--robin
(robin squires -- through siteline@inforamp.net)

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subject:      re: free dar and catie in berkely! (nigc)
in-reply-to:  <pine.sun.3.93.960424143321.21653b-100000@wisdom.stanford.edu>

okay, am i the only one who read this subject and wondered immediately
who was holding dar and catie hostage in berkely, and if we could avoid
bloodshed while freeing them?

*grin*
k

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subject:      re: t-shirts...the summer dilema..read!
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in a message dated 96-04-25 17:43:56 edt, you write:

>
>whatever we do about these, i don't know about everyone on the list, but
>most of us are college students who will not have access to the list over
>the summer...  so, are we  going to do these soon?  or during the summer?
>or fall?  eh?
>-mandy
>
>

if you will have some form of access over the summer....please send me what
address to write you at and i will.  for those of you who will not....
if you don't mind a collect call....send me your phone #'s and i will
1-800-collect you...and let you know what the shirts look like and where and
when to order.  that is the only solution i can think of.  i am willing to do
it if y'all are.
take care
rob

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              issue

> date:    fri, 26 apr 1996 01:37:43 edt
> from:    joan morrison <103161.3515@compuserve.com>
> subject: list probs
>
> ya know, as i sit here reading the gazillion digest editions i have received
> in a relatively short period of time this evening, following a two-day ig list drought,
> a thought crossed my mind:  what a lousy time for the list to be having problems.
> had the list not been screwed up, more people might have been able to see the ig segment
> on cnn headline news. i mean, they rarely get any meaningful national television
> coverage and the one time they do - i miss it cause the list server thingy has
> "the flu"!!!! arrrrrrghhhhh!!!!!!!!!  ..........

anybody else out there sense a conspiracy?

--robin
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subject:      nigc friday morning laugh!!!!

:) have a nice weekend ya'll-
rick

*************************************
****************************
how to be annoying
                                  ==================


    adjust the tint on your tv so that all the people are green, and insist
    to others that you "like it that way".

    drum on every available surface.

    sing the batman theme incessantly.

    staple papers in the middle of the page.

    ask 1-800 operators for dates.

    produce a rental video consisting entirely of dire fbi copy warnings.

    sew anti-theft detector strips into people's backpacks.

    hide dairy products in inaccessible places.

    write the surprise ending to a novel on its first page.

    specify that your drive-through order is "to go".

    set alarms for random times.

    learn morse code, and have conversations with friends in public
    consisting
    entirely of "beeeep bip bip beeeep bip..."

    buy large quantities of mint dental floss just to lick the flavor off.

    order a side of pork rinds with your filet mignon.

    instead of gallo, serve night train next thanksgiving.

    leave your nine inch nails tape in great uncle ed's stereo, with the
    volume properly adjusted.

    publicly investigate just how slowly you can make a "croaking" noise.

    honk and wave to strangers.

    dress only in clothes colored hunter's orange.

    change channels five minutes before the end of every show.

    tape pieces of "sweating to the oldies" over climactic parts of rental
    movies.

    wear your pants backwards.

    decline to be seated at a restaurant, and simply eat their complementary
    mints by the cash register.

    begin all your sentences with "ooh la la!"

    rouse your roommates from slumber each morning with lou reed's "metal
    machine music".

    leave someone's printer in compressed-italic-cyrillic-landscape mode.

    only type in uppercase. only type in lowercase. dont use any
    punctuation
    either

    buy a large quantity of orange traffic cones and reroute whole streets.

    pay for your dinner with pennies.

    tie jingle bells to all your clothes.

    repeat everything someone says, as a question.

    write "x - buried treasure" in random spots on all of someone's
    roadmaps.

    inform everyone you meet of your personal kennedy assassination/ufo/ oj
    simpson conspiracy theories.

    repeat the following conversation a dozen times: "do you hear that?"
    "what?"  "never mind, it's gone now."

    light road flares on a birthday cake.

    wander around the restaurant, asking other diners for their parsley.

    leave tips in bolivian currency.

    demand that everyone address you as "conquistador".

    push all the flat lego pieces together tightly.

    at the laundromat, use one dryer for each of your socks.

    when christmas caroling, sing "jingle bells, batman smells" until
    physically restrained.

    wear a cape that says "magnificent one".

    as much as possible, skip rather than walk.

    stand over someone's shoulder, mumbling, as they read.

    finish the 99 bottles of beer song.

    sing the "this is the song that never ends..." song.

    leave your turn signal on for fifty miles.

    pretend your mouse is a cb radio, and talk to it.

    try playing the william tell overture by tapping on the bottom of your
    chin.  when nearly done, announce "no, wait, i messed it up", and
    repeat.

    drive half a block.

    name your dog "dog".

    inform others that they exist only in your imagination.

    ask people what gender they are.

    reply to everything someone says with "that's what you think."

    lick the filling out of all the oreos, and place the cookie parts back
    in the tray.

    cultivate a norwegian accent.  if norwegian, affect a southern drawl.

    forget the punchline to a long joke, but tell the listener it was a
    "real
    hoot".

    routinely handcuff yourself to furniture, informing the curious that you
    don't want to fall off "in case the big one comes".

    follow a few paces behind someone, spraying everything they touch with
    a can of lysol.

    deliberately hum songs that will remain lodged in co-workers' brains,
    such
    as "feliz navidad", the archies' "sugar" or the mr.  rogers theme song.

    while making presentations, occasionally bob your head like a parakeet.

    lie obviously about trivial things such as the time of day.

    make beeping noises when a large person backs up.

    leave your christmas lights up and lit until september.

    change your name to john aaaaasmith for the great glory of being first
    in the
    phone book. claim it's a hawaiian name, and demand that people pronounce
    each a.

    sit in your front yard pointing a hair dryer at passing cars to see if
    they slow down.

    chew on pens that you've borrowed.

    invent nonsense computer jargon in conversations, and see if people play
    along to avoid the appearance of ignorance.

    wear a lot of cologne.

    ask to "interface" with someone.

    listen to 33 rpm records at 45 rpm speed, and claim the faster speed is
    necessary because of your "superior mental processing".

    sing along at the opera.

    mow your lawn with scissors.

    at a golf tournament, chant  "swing-batatatatatata-suhwing-batter!"

    finish all your sentences with the words "in accordance with prophesy".

    ask the waitress for an extra seat for your "imaginary friend".

    go to a poetry recital and ask why each poem doesn't rhyme.

    ask your co-workers mysterious questions, and scribble their answers in
    a
    notebook.  mutter something about "psychological profiles".

    incessantly recite annoying phrases, such as "sticky wicket isn't
    cricket."

    stare at static on the tv and claim you can see a "magic picture".

    select the same song on the jukebox fifty times.

    scuff your feet on a dry, shaggy carpet and seek out victims.

    do not add any inflection to the end of your sentences, producing
    awkward
    silences with the impression that you'll be saying more any moment.

    never make eye contact.         never break eye contact.

    signal that a conversation is over by clamping your hands over your
    ears.

    construct elaborate "crop circles" in your front lawn.

    construct your own pretend "tricorder";"scan" people with it, announcing
    the
    results.

    give a play-by-play account of a person's every action in a nasal howard
    cossell voice.

    holler random numbers while someone is counting.

    make appointments for the 31st of september.

    invite lots of people to other people's parties.

     --------------

    ...and might i add:

    forward this message to all of your friends.
***************************
i've tried some of these out already and believe me, they work! ;)

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subject:      re: t-shirt dilemma solved

ponchos and togas and jumpsuits oh my!

how about a big ol' ig lyric trenchcoat for the flashers & spies among us?

:)
rick

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subject:      re: bury my heart

in a message dated 96-04-26 08:49:26 edt, siteline@inforamp.net (judith
lathrop) writes:

> and while i am here, i second the listee who asked  (apols i cant remember
>who
>> it was) who is the queen and why did she close the door?
>>
>> sue
>> susan jackel <jackels@wizza.agvic.gov.au>

>but who is the queen?


okay. it's time to let the cat out of the bag.

i'm the queen they're talking about. i closed the door because, well, it was
late at night & there was a chill.
there's the answer. not so exciting. and i bet ya'll thought it was a queen,
like a royal one, right? *sheesh*
but that's it- i have been made immortal through their song. much like roxy
carmichael.

uh-oh.
time for my medication.
rick


>
>

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from:         trant batey <twb@zycor.lgc.com>
subject:      re: indigo-girls digest - 25 apr 1996 to 26 apr 1996 - special
              issue

yeah, its probably pat robinson again.

just joking.  actually, i would relate it more to amy playing at eddie's attic than to the
cnn thing.

trant

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> on cnn headline news. i mean, they rarely get any meaningful national television
> coverage and the one time they do - i miss it cause the list server thingy has
> "the flu"!!!! arrrrrrghhhhh!!!!!!!!!  ..........

anybody else out there sense a conspiracy?

--robin
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date:         fri, 26 apr 1996 10:59:01 -0400
reply-to:     capistran amy l <alcapi@mail.wm.edu>
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from:         capistran amy l <alcapi@mail.wm.edu>
subject:      re: t-shirt quote
x-to:         helene burningham <h.burningham@ulst.ac.uk>
in-reply-to:  <47ad3777257@sperrin.ulst.ac.uk>

        ok just my two cents, i really like the i+e=ig thing and i love
most of the quotes but i personally would like to stear clear of the
overly romantic.  i know most of you want power of two because of those
two, but of all their songs this was the most commercial and i'd
rther have something that isn't.
                                                please don't hurt me
                                                        amy

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date:         fri, 26 apr 1996 11:07:20 edt
reply-to:     "j. hunter" <jhunter@fdic.gov>
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from:         "j. hunter" <jhunter@fdic.gov>
subject:      this is what happened to the list :)

in case any of y'all are still wondering what that almost 48 hour silence
from the list was all about, here is the correspondence i had with the
listmeister, jude shabry, about it:

"j. hunter" <jhunter@fdic.gov> writes:
>> i've been getting a lot of questions lately about the list...and have not
>>had any mail from it (this is the second day)...someone sent me this:
>>
>>>hey jude, what's going on with the list? what does it mean that "it's being
>>>held by the owner"?  just curious. :)
>>
>> can you supply any answers?

>the list exceeded it's daily message threshold (100) and was therefore
>automatically held up.  i've issued a "free" command, and will soon up
>the maximum value (wow, it's getting big.. it was 50 only a few months
>ago).  it may take a few hours (a day?) for all the message to get
>out.  they will, though, they were just queued up by listserv.

>  -jude


really! computers are so funny! i think this is what they call a "brown out"
*<desolves into more giggles>*

jude :)

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reply-to:     corinne simpson <corinne.simpson@m.cc.utah.edu>
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from:         corinne simpson <corinne.simpson@m.cc.utah.edu>
subject:      re: my life :)

hi... it's quiet today out there... so i thought i'd send you all my
bio.  something to interest you all i'm sure.

name:  corinne simpson
born:  june 10, 1976--geminis rule
what i do:  study at the university of utah-political science and russian
   major.  work at marriott reservations.
what i wish i did more of:  play, bike, camp, hike, swim, run, see
   various indigo girls around town
music i like:  ig, mle, shawn colvin, alanis, tori, nanci griffith, mary
   chapin, sarah mclachlan, joan osborne, bush, live, jewel, natalie merchant
i am an:  amy girl, definitely. she is god.
relationship status:  anyone cute and single and nice out there?
ig fan since: my soul began

  there you have it....

   i think i'll shut up for a while now.

  corinne

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subject:      nigc -- catie curtis boots?

hi everyone!  i went to an awesome (not free) catie curtis concert last
night (i didn't tape it, i'm sorry, i don't own a taping recorder thingie)
and was hoping someone else had tapes from her current tour with "the band."
or any current tapes. or any tapes at all!  as a bonus, i'd love to get a
copy of any of the following songs, but that would just be a bonus, i'll
take anything!  she was so good!  and she did so many songs i hadnt' heard
(i have truth from lies on hear music (is there a new version of this on
guardian music?), but nothing else, does anyone know if her first album is
still in print?)  anyway, here are the songs i'd love to have live:

larry
the wolf
her cover of "road food" (i think it's originally by cozy sheridan)
some song about the snow falling next to her bed as steady as a heart or
something like that, i'd never heard it before, i don't know the title...
and there was some other song about her lover that never came home anymore
and     the relationship was dying and (ooh, i'm trying to remember more
details)       she was leaving "forever on a shelf" and i can't remember any
more than
   that...i'd never heard this one before either, but that doesn't mean much.

i have lots of boots to trade, i even have one catie curtis boot, but i also
have a ton of ig tapes, melissa etheridge, and lots of random people.
please email me privately so as not to clogg the list with more nigc!

thanks in advance

k

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subject:      no taping

not that i want to do any illegal taping, you understand.  my friend ,
however is interested in taping the no shows.  what is the best way
to go about doing this & what type of equipment (short of a
soundboard & tapedeck) would one suggest?

my friend was just curious.

regards,


j. edgar hoover

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from:         susan marine <smarine@cc.colorado.edu>
subject:      more amy! more amy! more amy!

hi y'all...i wanted to thank those of you who went to amy's show at eddie's
attic earlier this week. i was hoping you could maybe make the rest of
us even *more*jealous by giving a setlist (what you can remember any way!)
and soem other details of the night....

thanks...i am sure i am not the only one who would love this info!

happy friday-
susan

smarine@cc.colorado.edu

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subject:      u.k. dubber for neilly's tape?

if you're the person making copies of neil's tape in the u.k. could you
(please, please, grovel, grovel) let me know?  i'm going to be leaving
here before i can get a copy in the u.s.

thank you muchly,

rebecca.

(who has a sneaking suspicion that her t.v.'s got something against
her...first it goes all fuzzy and noisy and can't see anything for black
and white and grey stuff seconds before mcc is on letterman, then it does
the same with austin city limits, and last night it didn't let me watch
cnn after about half past 4, and ig were on.  it has never done it at any
other time.  i happen to think that's *very* spooky)...

ooh,and a new .sig too....


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subject:      new orleans this weekend

        any jazz fest attendees actually going to be there this weekend?
        sylvia

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subject:      anagrams  &  bios.

you know...#4 is kinda catchy.

on  25 apr 96, carolyn chow said about indigo girls anagrammed (fwd):

>    1.origin gilds
>    2.oiling grids
>    3.losing rigid
>    4.indigo girls
>    5.lodging iris
>    6.origins gild
>    7.soiling grid
>    8.soiling gird
>    9.golding iris

ok....i was silly...now for my bio, a month late:

name:  eric d. thiel
born:  sept. 9, 1976  (very virgo, but i'm working on it)
hometown: appleton, wisconsin
current stuff: student @ u of m twin cities, but staying here
         after school 'cause you just gotta love minneapolis.
fun stuff: listening to music, skateboarding, camping(if i every get
    to bwca), environmental activism, watching people, laying outside
    on nice days like today, computer hacking.
music:(uhoh...this could take a while) ig, tori, joan osborne, joni,
   10,000, natalie merchant, mle, erasure, pet shop boys, cure,
   bjork, cranberries, deee lite, dm, portishead, opus iii, paul
   simon, toad, hootie, barry manilow, elp, r.e.m., la's
     (sorry...i really love music)
tv: rots the brain, but mst3k, whose line is it anyway?, kids in the
   hall, anything on comedy central
reading: anything by emerson (ralph waldo)
a or e?: emily all the way.
relationship:  single(unwillingly ;-))
        (lesbian trapped in a male body)
fan for: three years, seems like 30...seems like 30...

that sounds good...

eric.
(4 days without smoking. i can do it!)

"we fight for freedom, which no good man would surrender, but with his life."

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date:         fri, 26 apr 1996 14:26:40 -0500
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subject:      t-shirt quote
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has anyone suggested:

"i could go crazy on a night like tonight"


*        *        *        *       *        *         *        *       *

                           jamie a suthard
                   suthardj@ralph.southwestern.edu
                 http://www.southwestern.edu/~suthardj


*        *        *        *        *        *        *        *        *


        "it's so hard, staying here all alone...
                you could be taking me for a ride..."
                        -amy ray  (neil young originally)


*        *        *        *         *       *        *        *        *

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date:         fri, 26 apr 1996 15:32:43 -0400
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subject:      re: nigc - peltier, indians (this is short, well...kinda)

i read "bury my heart at wounded knee a loooong
time ago (in high school) an need to re-read it.

i just got "spirit of crazy horse"[matthiasson] which chronicles the
modern american indian movement, (peltier to aquash and
everything else)

i also read the hatchet job on peltier by scott anderson
(my opinion).

check out your local college or indie radio station to see
if it carries a native news program.(if not, ask why ?)

saw "the way west " last weeked....does anyone know what the
current situation is between the sioux and the usgovt
regarding the black hills ???

that's all folks !

claire
(diablito mono)

p.s. the skokomish river was ready to flood again this week (like
it allways does when it rains.) hmmmm........i wonder what would
happen if the city of tacoma gave back the north fork skok river ???
(maybe it would help if things were back they way they were
naturally)

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another good book is _lakota woman_ by mary ellen crow dog.  i read it
last summer at the beach in a few days.  it was much more enlightening
than my dysfunctional family.
peace out,
karey

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subject:      re: lc day?

in a message dated 96-04-26 07:14:25 edt,seffy writes:

>(now playing:  rickie lee jones: naked songs)

i love that cd !!! think i'll play it right now :)

i really liked what you had to say...i agree !
(my radar went off too, funny how that works :)

i know it's not important, but then again..it is...we queer folk
have so few voices...after years of having only songs with
pronouns that kept popping up and reminding me that....
i am not like the others.... it's sooo nice to have
songs that i can apply to my life. and the absence of
pronouns connects me with the others ..and proves
that love, is love, and life, is life for everybody.

i also like the way they sneak in sexually ambiguous pronouns
by covering songs written by men ie: down by the river,
tangled up in blue, r & j....using the time honored folk tradition
of singing a song as written (not changing lyrics to suit the sex
of the singer, which is tacky :)

besides sometimes...i want to hear those darn pronouns :)

as for lc...can any body 'splain this line to moi' ?

"a boy and girl are holding hands on the street
and i don't want to but i think you just wait"

(i have never understood what the heck es is trying to say there !)

ta !
claire(diablito mono)

"there's a devil monkeeeey on my baaaaack !
aaaaaahhhhhrrrgh! get it off!! get it off !!!
oh sweet lord and butter pleeeease !!!
aaaaaaaaarrrrrrrgggggggggghhhhh!!!"
(amy ray's evil twin, betty)

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date:         fri, 26 apr 1996 13:17:28 -0700
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subject:      ani in oly 5/22

long version: ani difranco in olympia on may 22nd (that's a wednesday)
anyone going to be there?  so far me and 2 friends are driving down from
here (seattle): possible pnw lister meet?  (as if the ecstasy of ani would
not be enough...;-).....wonder if she'll wear those sexy leather pants
again?)  ah well, if some of us are not so lucky to go down to no, at
least we get to see ani, so nya nya nya.  which suggests another possible
list meeting thing: folklife!  (i feel so dopey that i didn't think of
this before)  alla youse pacific northwesterners email me, please, so we
can confab.
peace out,
karey

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subject:      re: free dar and catie... now with igc!!!
x-to:         kristina cizas <kcizas@cgrg.ohio-state.edu>
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on fri, 26 apr 1996, kristina cizas wrote:
> okay, am i the only one who read this subject and wondered immediately
> who was holding dar and catie hostage in berkely, and if we could avoid
> bloodshed while freeing them?

why, yes we can... if you just send one dollar to the first person on
the following list, add your name to the bottom, and then mail it to five
of your friends, i'm sure we can raise the ransom money!

(as foghorn leghorn would say, "that's a joke, son.")

and claire is so right...  can anyone explain that verse "i don't want to,
but i think 'you just wait,' there's more than just eye-to-eye, learn the
things i can never apply..."  i was at first tying it to the "kind of
conscientious objection" lyric: sort of an "i really would rather not fall
in love and get stomped on yet again, but i think, you just wait, you
always get sucked into this anyway..."  but what did she learn that she
can never apply?

this song was completely my theme song last year... especially "the next
time i fall, well i'll have to recall it _isn't_ love--it's only something
new."  a wise, wise woman, that emily.

scot

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subject:      re: nigc friday morning laugh!!!!
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thanks.  amazing, because there's only one in this long list that i got
mad at.  to
> make beeping sounds when a large person backs up
i say,
        fuck you!!!
don't take it personally or nothin' but i feel like fat oppression is the
last "ism" (would that be "thinism"?) that's remained acceptable, and it
simply needs to stop.
(from women studies we learned that  ism = prejudice + power.  i can
explain more fully for those of you who want to hear it, mail me
privately; i'd rather just assume that us on the list are savvy enough to
know already.)
peace out,
karey

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how 'bout a blanket?  if you brought a cute grrrl or boy back to see your
room, a cool bedspread like that would clinch it! ;-)
peace out,
karey
(heh heh, clinch it: wow i actually made a funny!)

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subject:      t-shirts for non-no-ers!

hi all!
i am just wondering if those of us who do not get the awesome chance to
go to no can still order/buy t-shirts?  if anyone has any info, please
let me know!  thanks!
amanda

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subject:      lc

"boy and girl are holding hands on the street.  i want to but i
think, 'you just wait'. there's more than just eye to eye, learn the
things i could never apply."

i have been trying to figure this song out ever since i got the cd
last summer.  i think that emily was looking at all of the couples
that were forming in her peer group, and wishing that she could do
the same.  (haven't we all felt that at some point in our lives?)
she said she wrote it about her boyfriend in sixth grade.  in my
twenty years of experience, i have discovered that boys in sixth
grade haven't quite gotten over the "girls are yucky" stage.  most
likely, emily was much more mature than he was, and was frustrated
with the lack of romance in the relationship.  she told herself to
"just wait" until he grew up.  however, we can know all sorts of
things that take years (and sometimes never happen) to learn how to
live.  so i agree with scot n. that the lyric is "sort of an 'i
really would rather not fall in love and get stomped on yet again,
but i think, you just wait, you always get sucked into this
anyway..."

just my thoughts,
anna

"the one who is making a path without instruments hardly notices when the
path behind is getting crooked unless a friend tells him."
                                  -asante proverb in paraphrased form

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subject:      re: more amy (4-24-96)...

hey all,

  i wanted to say first that i am new to the list and i'm glad to be a part
of it. i live here in atlanta and been an ig fan for years.
  i wanted to respond to the more amy comment about the show at eddie's attic
4-24-96....
  it was an incredible show! it was a band called flunkie featuring amy. she
sang most of the songs. there was at least one song that she did not sing on.
i had a front row table and i was so close that i was able to rest a foot on
the stage. i got there around 4:00pm when i found out you had to be there at
that time to get a number to get in line. i was # 2 or 3. anyway, during the
song amy did not sing/play on, she (deep sigh) asked me if she could sit at
my table. i don't have to mention what my response was... that was cool...
they played for about an hour and i felt really intense the whole time.
....for the ones who want to know what she was wearing (& i'm sure ya'll do).
it was a black t-shirt, jeans, black shoes w/ buckles...(i started to name my
dog buckles once...heh).
  her voice was incredible. the band was incredible. it was an incredible show!!
i am also a musician. i sing, write and play guitar (12-string ovation/fender tele).
btw, amy played a song on a fender strat...
i am planning to do an open mic there in the next few weeks. i am writing some
new songs and i want to get them down. i'm no great singer but, i love doing it
so what the hey....
   well, that's all for now....thanks for reading.

                                                                   kim

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reply-to:     lorinda wright <lw01@lehigh.edu>
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from:         lorinda wright <lw01@lehigh.edu>
subject:      re: what to do when you don't get list mail

>first off--don't panic!  if you are this dependent on getting email from
>the list you need professional help.  my internet crisis hotline number is
>1-800-email-anon.  professionals can help you get through the crisis until
>the list is back in working order.

true true. there's also a support group for people just like us. the 1-800
number above can direct you to it.
>
>second--don't post messages like "haven't gotten list in two seconds help
>me" or  "i need my ig fix.  where is the list?????????????"  this is really
>annoying to read all at once when the list comes back and starts working
>again.

especially since there are only two possibilities:
1) the list isn't functioning, in which case sending a message to it would be
sorta, um...futile. wouldn't you say?
or 2) you have been unsubscribed for some reason, in which case sending a
message to the list will still be futile, since no one there can help you. :)

_proper_ courses of action include:
sending a subscribe message to the listserv (if you think you've been
unsubscribed)
waiting (this is the one i chose :)
telling your cats and hoping they're sympathetic. (ok, i did this one too)
telling your other email friends through private email, and hoping that
they're omnipotent and can help.
waiting while playing ig and reading old list mail.

rest assured, that under no circumstances will the list ever disappear never
to return. we've had problems before, we have always worked it out. we're
stubborn like that. :)

folkisgruven,
lorindigo
driving...

    i           will            not        be               complacent
lorinda wright           "learn to pretend there's more than love that
lw01@lehigh.edu           matters. -e.s.
lehigh university         "and i drove out of there with no one behind
bethlehem, pa             me. i was feeling funny and free. -a.r.
    i           will            not         be              complacent

so if i am not who you thought i was, well hello it's nice to meet you.
willing to wait. i will survive. i will love every minute of my life. i will
not concede. i will believe. -melissa ferrick

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subject:      re: t-shirt dilemma solved
x-to:         karey@u.washington.edu

in a message dated 96-04-26 16:03:00 edt, karey@u.washington.edu (karey
weisman eals) writes:

>how 'bout a blanket?  if you brought a cute grrrl or boy back to see your
>room, a cool bedspread like that would clinch it! ;-)

:) this one's good too!!
hell, just paint song lyrics on the walls. :)

this is getting outta hand!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :) :) :)
rick
(with no sig this week. feel like dolly parton without a wig)

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in a message dated 96-04-26 16:00:51 edt, karey@u.washington.edu (karey
weisman eals) writes:

>thanks.  amazing, because there's only one in this long list that i got
>mad at.  to
>> make beeping sounds when a large person backs up
>i say,
>

yikes!  i'm sorry 'bout that one ya'll- i suppose i should have done a little
editing, but i just had enough time to copy & paste & send it to the
list!!!!!!!!!!!
i'll do better next time!! :)
rick

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        i just watched mtv for the first time in about a month...
i saw this awesome bluesy chick with dreds. i love haer. who is she?
anyone.....anyone.....beuller?
                                                jay

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subject:      friday morning laugh

someone wrote that to be really annoying we could:
forget the punch-line to a joke, but insist that it was a real hoot!
hmm, well,  i do that all the time, only not on purpose.

i try not to tell too many jokes!

jen
"how long 'til my soul gets it right?"  ig

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subject:      re: t-shirt dilemma solved

> in a message dated 96-04-26 16:03:00 edt, karey@u.washington.edu (karey
> weisman eals) writes:
>
> >how 'bout a blanket?  if you brought a cute grrrl or boy back to see your
> >room, a cool bedspread like that would clinch it! ;-)
hmm...i actually think i might do this now...my bedding is probably
the most boring part of my room, and that's not how it should be.

on  26 apr 96, richard sayre iii said about re: t-shirt dilemma
solved:
> :) this one's good too!!
> hell, just paint song lyrics on the walls. :)
sorry...i'm out of wall space...i have spent the past 20 years
collecting things, and i've had to start hanging things to keep them
out of the way.

but seriously folks...is someone keeping track of all of these
quotes? i'd like a list of all y'all's favourites to decorate things
with.
eric.
(4 days without smoking. i can do it!)

"we fight for freedom, which no good man would surrender, but with his life."

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subject:      re: more amy (4-24-96)...

geeez ! zowie !
i hope that this is a sign of a side project that may find it's
way to daemon or long play !!!!!! [hint, hint]

i love the big fish ensemble (home to michael lorant
and the most fabulous sheila doyle:) !!!!!
i was lucky enough to see them in seattle last summer
in some small clubs  (my favorite place to see a band)
(and they let me take pictures !!!:)

i also love the way michael and amy's voices sound together !!!
(check out the cd "lucky" by bfe and the song "city of sin"...
emily's on it too !!!)

it's great to know that ar can play in a little club without
being mobbed.....i appreciate the casual atmosphere of those
places, were the artists and the audience mingle, and you
buy cd's directly from the band out of cardboard boxes.....

wish i lived in atlanta sometimes (oly's got some good
bands too, it's just that atlanta music is more my style -not
to mention age group- :)
ta !
claire (diablito mono) [love, love, love]
"gonna disconnect my neighbors' satellite dish
they've been using it to mess with my mind
the air is filled with evil things
devil sending messages to my kids"
(big fish ensemble)

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subject:      (nigc)-ani

ani will be in austin on june 8th...at a really small little restaurant...if
you are interested in details...email me privately
kelly
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          (        ) w   o""o   w    (o)(o)    (|_()_|) /  o o  \   (+)(+)
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   elmo    big bird      oscar   cookie monster  bert     ernie     kermit

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subject:      re: t-shirt dilemma solved

at 04:46 pm 4/26/96 +0000, you wrote:
>> in a message dated 96-04-26 16:03:00 edt, karey@u.washington.edu (karey
>> weisman eals) writes:
>>
>> >how 'bout a blanket?  if you brought a cute grrrl or boy back to see your
>> >room, a cool bedspread like that would clinch it! ;-)
>hmm...i actually think i might do this now...my bedding is probably
>the most boring part of my room, and that's not how it should be.
>
>on  26 apr 96, richard sayre iii said about re: t-shirt dilemma
>solved:
>> :) this one's good too!!
>> hell, just paint song lyrics on the walls. :)
>sorry...i'm out of wall space...i have spent the past 20 years
>collecting things, and i've had to start hanging things to keep them
>out of the way.
>
>but seriously folks...is someone keeping track of all of these
>quotes? i'd like a list of all y'all's favourites to decorate things
>with.
>eric.
>(4 days without smoking. i can do it!)
>
>"we fight for freedom, which no good man would surrender, but with his life."
>


i have the list. if anyone wants it, email me for a copy.

tiff

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subject:      re: more amy (4-24-96)...

on 26 apr 96 at 4:51, kimberly rae phillips wrote:

<snip snip cut cut>
>   i wanted to respond to the more amy comment about the show at eddie's attic
> 4-24-96....
<more snip>

>anyway, during the
> song amy did not sing/play on, she (deep sigh) asked me if she could sit at
> my table

aagghg! all right that's it i am moving th atlanta! eddie's *is* in
atlanta isn't it???

anyone in atlanta need a decent bass player????


peace y'all
'
'
dan perkins
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tour guide to the obvious
'
'
"their gonna give me a dna transplant
their gonna re arrange my molecules
some natuaral laws will have to bend
to get me from the shallow end of the
gene pool"
   -emily kaitz

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subject:      re: nigc friday morning laugh!!!!

on 26 apr 96 at 10:43, richard sayre iii wrote:

> :) have a nice weekend ya'll-
> rick
>
> *************************************
> ****************************
>  how to be annoying
>                                   ==================

>     learn morse code, and have conversations with friends in public
>     consisting
>     entirely of "beeeep bip bip beeeep bip..."
>
a variation of this that a friend of mine and i do is talk in binary
code....  "00010010 01100101
0000001"
peace y'all
'
'
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'
'
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their gonna re arrange my molecules
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   -emily kaitz

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subject:      nigc: dubious acheivement or stupid is as stupid does

just thought some of y'all might get a laugh out of this.

enjoy.

>     dubious acheivement awards -- british division
>
>        the following is from the british sunday express giving gongs
>(medals) for dubious distinctions--
>
>tortoise trophy:  to british rail, which ingeniously solved the problem of
>lateness in the intercity express train service by redefining "on time" to
>include trains arriving within one hour of schedule.
>
>rubber cushion: to john bloor, who mistook a tube of superglue for his
>hemorrhoid cream and glued his buttocks together.
>
>crimewatch cup:
>        gold star: to henry smith, arrested moments after returning home
>with a stolen stereo. his error was having tattooed on his forehead in large
>capital letters the words "henry smith". his lawyer told the court: "my
>client is not a very bright young man."
>        silver star: to michael robinson, who rang police to deliver a bomb
>threat, but became so agitated about the mounting cost of the call that he
>began screaming "call me back!" and left his phone number.
>        bronze star: to paul monkton, who used as his getaway vehicle a van
>with his name and phone number painted in foot-high letters on the side.
>
>british cup: to the passengers on a jam-packed train from margate to
>victoria, who averted their eyes while john henderson and zoe d'arcy engaged
>in oral sex and then moved on to intercourse ... but complained when the
>pair lit up post-coital cigarettes in a non-smoking compartment.
>
>flying cross: to percy the pigeon, who flopped down exhausted in a sheffield
>loft, having beaten 1,000 rivals in a 500 mile race, and was immediately
>eaten by a cat.  alas, the 90-minute delay resulting from finding his
>remains and handing his id tag to the judges relegated percy from first to
>third place.
>
>lazarus laurel: to julia carson, who as her tearful family gathered round
>her coffin in a new york funeral parlour, sat bolt upright and asked what
>the hell was going on. celebrations were short-lived, due to the fact that
>mrs. carson's daughter, julie, immediately dropped dead from shock.
>
>silver bullet: to poacher marino malerba, who shot a stag standing above him
>on an overhanging rock -- and was killed instantly when it fell on him.
>
>

peace y'all
'
'
dan perkins
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'
'
"their gonna give me a dna transplant
their gonna re arrange my molecules
some natuaral laws will have to bend
to get me from the shallow end of the
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   -emily kaitz

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hey ya'll
last one, i promise....dar williams will also
be here in austin on the 4th and 5th of june...again if you would
like info...email me!
kelly
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        ...til i'm in the big easy.  the anticipation kills me.

        someone mentioned as a quote "i could go crazy on a night like
tonight" and i thought that it would be a great banner to have at the may
4th show.  we could all sign it and throw it on stage.  of course...with
our signature, emily will know exactly who to file restraining orders
against.

        as for the tshirt quote thing, there are so many that sound
great...although i really wish i had a tshirt that said "by grace my
sight is growing stronger".

"i didn't ask for the anal probe..." -teri

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              processor" at apr 26, 96 05:00:43 pm

picked up the set list when smoke came on....

9 fingers
don't give
city of sin*
road block
h-bird (hummingbird)
don't let a thief
normaltown
cut it out
my brother paul
chiapas (sioux song)
lodi (ccr)

                sharon, first row in the chairs section 4/24/96

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could that be the new tracy chapman video?  what an incredible song!  i
don't know what it's called.  i've only seen and heard it once.   but,
i've heard really good things about her new album and was surprised to see
her performing such a bluesy tune.  it was cool.

cheers,

carolyn

on fri, 26 apr 1996, jason m. chmielecki (chmielja@nhc.edu) wrote:

>         i just watched mtv for the first time in about a month...
> i saw this awesome bluesy chick with dreds. i love haer. who is she?
> anyone.....anyone.....beuller?
>                                                 jay
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just the new kid on the block saying hi.

been a fan for years. ig fan, not computer fan.

so whats this t-shirt thing?

see ya

linda

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subject:      ligc-  tracy chapman and amy  :-)

hey.... word to all the wise on the list.....

buy the tracy chapman cd!
now!
get out of bed on this early saturday morning and go to the store!
purchase!  purchase!!
i bought it the day i bought jcs, and it has been a continual toss up for
my poor mental conscious over who i want to play more.....
i believe, imho, that this tracy cd is the best one ever...( yes, even better
than the debut!)

so jay, it was tracy on mtv, and yes, you need to get this cd!

ok, i am sane now.
goodnight...morning...whatever....

later ya'll

karrie

ps.  does anyone have a boot of amy at eddie's?  i would love to hear it.


                       "water retention is not new to me..."
                             -emily saliers

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subject:      more nigc- tracy chapman

oh, and by the way, since i am brain dead and forgot....

the name of the new tracy chapman song ebing played all over vh-1 and mtv is
"give me one reason".  it is basically the only really bluesy tune on the
cd, but it is a really welcome change.

buy it!  buy it now!  (didn't i already rant this?  ok, ok, i'm going to sleep
now.....)

later-

karrie  :-)

                      "water retention is not new to me...."
                               -emily saliers

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subject:      least complicated

emily always says its about both danny and "patterns" (see the rit '94 boot
for a cute em quote about patterns "things in your life that just keep
repeating...that's why they call them patterns i guess, duh" :)
so the point was, i think that lc is about danny but also oter relationships
later so i think maybe the (this is totally only my plan) part about holding
hands is about a girlfriend? and also the part about sitting arouind the
house and resisting seems to me exactly like how i felt when i was in high
school and just starting to come out. so, i dunno, but she's deep, so i would
never be suprised if everyone's interpretations were "correct"!

peace,

larissa

(re: bmhawn) it rocks! i second reading mary crow dog's books, _lakota woman_
and, um the other one. also _spider grandmother's granddaughters_ by paula
gunn allen, or anything by paula gunn allen, for more perspectives on the
american indian movement and other related and very fascinating things...

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subject:      happy birthday!!!  (april 27, 1996)

happy birthday angie!!!  may you have 40 more years of wisdom and peace!

"...find another state of mind, reach out, grab hold, strange fire burns with
the motion of love..."


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"strange fire"
* :) *

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subject:      bio and help me!!!

     hello all!  my name is sara and i live in a suburb of chicago.  i just
joined the list and love it!  i feel weird though because i am 13 years old.
i have loved ig since age 11.  i also love tracy chapman, letters to cleo and
freddy jones band.  i have all of ig's albums, but i really want some bootleg
stuff.  anyone know where to look?
     one reason i love the list is because no one in my area like ig as much
as i do except for my drama teacher and best friend.  the list is a great
place for me to talk about something i love.  i hope i can get to know some
of you and thanks for all the info.  i am still waiting to hear about ig
coming to chicago or somewhere near here, so if anyone knows, give me a
buzz.(or should i say a mail)

thanks,
sara

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subject:      lc a bit late

i never took any special notice of this song (loved it the same i love all
the other ig songs) untill i got 1200 curfews and emilys little speech at the
beginning had me lol. i love the line "and that was just the beginning of the
rest of my life". i kind of tied that line in with what i always thought the
song was about overall, and with her story about danny, all of a sudden the
lyrics made a lot more sense. to me the song is kind of about stuff that
should have been obvious but still took a long time to get.

>"some long ago when we were taught that for whatever kind of puzzle you got
you just stick the right formula in, a solution for every fool"<
sort of being about her questioning who she was and why she never could do
"the cool thing", realizing now that life isn't that simple, that formulas
don't always work for everyone.

>"so i just sit up in the house and resist and not be seen until i cease to
exist, a kind of conscientious objection, a kind of dodging the draft"<
being sort of avoiding all those social things that she never could get the
hang of, avoiding what she didn't understand until no one noticed her to say
"god, what a weirdo"

>"its more than just eye to eye, learn the things i could never apply"<
i kind of ascociated that with her being lesbian and all those little signs
that you just pass off as nothing until one day you wake up and go "duh!".
kind of sitting up on a window ledge and thinking about all that has passed
before that made no sense then but should have been obvious, all the stuff
that brought you to where you are now.

the lines from this song that kind of puzzle me are "the boy and girl are
holding hands on the street and i don't want to but i think you just wait"
and "i'm just a mirror of a mirror of myself, the things that i do, and the
next time i fall i'm gonna have to recall it isn't love it's only something
new"

i dunno. overall i think it is just about her looking back to that one
incident in her life and seeing how the different events in her life lead to
eachother and brought her to where she is now. sort of a looking back song,
seeing where she has come from.  well, thats just my interp, the way the song
hits me. i hope some of it made sense. . .  knowing emily there are probably
so many meanings i could never think of them all. . .

peace, love and acceptance

-catherine =)

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subject:      n.o. lister list

hey y'all,

okay, the jazz fest is getting really really really really close, and i'm
sure all of us going are just about to explode from anticipation....although
i seriously hope that we are all fighting any combustive tendencies we feel
until _after_ the concert. :) anyway, i'm still keeping a list of all of
y'all going who want to try to meet up with other fans.  if you haven't
mailed me yet, then you're not on my list, and that means i can't send you
groovy little updates on what we're planning to do (i'm trying to keep them
off the entire list so that we don't torment our unfortunate friends who
aren't able to make it by making them insanely jealous).  so if you're
going, haven't mailed me yet, and want to find fellow fans, drop me a line
saying who you are, when you'll be getting to town, where you're staying
while there, where you're sitting on may 4th, and anything else you think is
important (bringing a musical intrument for a little jamming?)

5 more days!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

cylinda

                "anyone can start a conflict, it's harder yet
                  to disregard it, i'd rather see the world
                 from another angle, we are everyday angels"
                                              -- jewel

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subject:      n.o. banner??

hey again y'all,

can someone out there confirm for me that there is a banner being made, and
if it will be at the may 2 as well as the may 4 show??  and do we know what
it's gonna say yet??

anticipatorally,

cylinda

                "anyone can start a conflict, it's harder yet
                  to disregard it, i'd rather see the world
                 from another angle, we are everyday angels"
                                              -- jewel

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on sat, 27 apr 1996, cylinda parga <ccp5913@acs.tamu.edu> wrote:
>can someone out there confirm for me that there is a banner being made, and
>if it will be at the may 2 as well as the may 4 show??

i'm not making one, but i will be bringing a colorful cow banner thats about 3
feet by 2 feet.

moo
:)
eric

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date:         sat, 27 apr 1996 14:37:21 -0700
reply-to:     tanya cole <psu04707@odin.cc.pdx.edu>
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from:         tanya cole <psu04707@odin.cc.pdx.edu>
subject:      collectable ig cd's

if there are any serious collectors out there looking for hard-to-find ig
stuff, let me know because i have found a couple of places to get stuff.
like i just got "complicated girls" and am waiting by the mail box for
"days of wine and roses" to show up.  there's all kinds of stuff like
posters, 7" vinyl singles, cd singles, guitar picks, etc.  just e-mail
for more details or if you're looking for something specific. btw,
prepare to pay out the you-know-what for some stuff ($300 for amy
hand-painted and autographed rop advanced pressing!).  not everything is
that spendy!  anyway, that's it......

gb&tc

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date:         sat, 27 apr 1996 16:39:43 cdt
reply-to:     russ rutter <russ@dexmn.com>
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from:         russ rutter <russ@dexmn.com>
subject:      honor the earth

if anyone is interested in receiving information about the honor the earth
campaign please email me back with your snail mail address and i'll get
something out to you right away
you can reach me at omi@dexmn.com
thanks,
peace, russ

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date:         sat, 27 apr 1996 17:58:33 -0400
reply-to:     fran mangione & sharon james <thegirls@pinn.net>
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from:         fran mangione & sharon james <thegirls@pinn.net>
subject:      quote for t-shirt

how about a quote from each of "the girls" , one on one side and one on the
other side?? i've seen alot of good ideas but for me i'd like to see
"forget about your ego,forget about your pride and you will never have
to compromise" amy ray.
i'm sure whatever it ends up being, i will buy a shirt, just wanted to
add my 2 cents.

                            sharon


forget about your ego, forget about your pride and you will never have
to compromise........amy ray

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date:         sat, 27 apr 1996 18:00:39 -0400
reply-to:     cyndigo@aol.com
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from:         cyndigo@aol.com
subject:      subscribe

i was a subscriber to the maillist, then i cancelled my aol account.  i've
now reactivated it but i'm getting no ig mail.  do i need to resubscribe?

cyndi johnson

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date:         sat, 27 apr 1996 18:39:02 -0400
reply-to:     indigopony@aol.com
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from:         indigopony@aol.com
subject:      more anagrams =o)

howdy, fellow listers!  i ran some more words through the anagram program
(that is one
fun site) and here are some of my results.  hope y'all like it!
for "indigo girls" there were 111 that the program came up with.  these are
my faves:
* nil rig god is     *lord gig is in      *lion rigs dig     *old rig gin is
    *iris long dig
*idol sing rig        *idol rigs gin        *grins oil dig     *girl god is
in     *girl dog is in
*going lid sir       *doing girl is        *rigid logs in     *rising lid go
    *origin gilds
*oiling grids        *losing rigid         *golding iris      *idling rig so
    *i riding logs (mine)
then, i entered "emily saliers" in the program, and it stopped finding
anagrams after
about 307.  faves: (i thought it was interesting that she has "amy" and "ray"
in her
name)  =)
*early smile is     *smell iris yea     *small iris eye    *slimy liar see
  *slimy liars are
*slimy ears lie     *slimy eel airs     *seems lily air    *smile lies ray
  *liars slim eye
*mire slay lies      *essay mire ill     *(i made this one up): amy lies
riles
i put "amy ray" in, but it only gave me "may ray"
ok, sorry for taking up listspace.  i was just fascinated with anagrams last
night.  =)
...running from school,
carrie (indigopony)

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date:         sat, 27 apr 1996 19:30:55 -0400
reply-to:     cyndigo@aol.com
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from:         cyndi johnson <cyndigo@aol.com>
subject:      ig subscribe

thanks for the helpful replies, y'all -- see ya soon.

cyndi

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date:         sat, 27 apr 1996 18:54:11 -0500
reply-to:     kelly <wuzupspecialk@mail.utexas.edu>
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from:         kelly <wuzupspecialk@mail.utexas.edu>
subject:      nigc

sorry to take up space but
jenn stevens i lost you email....
mail me okay?
kelly
            . -- .
           (      )
          ( (/oo\) )
           ( \''/ )                               ww
            ( \/ )      wwwwww                   /__\
           (      )   w"ww  ww"w                | oo |   _wwwww_
          (        ) w   o""o   w    (o)(o)    (|_()_|) /  o o  \   (+)(+)
    oo   (          )w  ______  w  w"      "w    \__/ (|  __o__  |)/      \
  w"()"w  (        ) "w \_\/_/ w" w  -====-  w  /|\/|\  \ \___/ /  \ -==- /
w -==- w   ' -- '  ww""wwwwww""ww "w      w"  |||||||| /-------\   \    /
  "wwww"     =  =    |||||||||||| w""""""""""w |||||||||=========| <\/\/\/>
w"    "w    =  =    ||||||||||||w            w|||||||||=========| /      \
   elmo    big bird      oscar   cookie monster  bert     ernie     kermit

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date:         sat, 27 apr 1996 18:58:08 -0700
reply-to:     linda joanne napikoski <napikosk@chaph.usc.edu>
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from:         linda joanne napikoski <napikosk@chaph.usc.edu>
subject:      i saw a cute fuzzy bear cub

last night, in fact. i intern at a tv station which is on the paramount
lot. one of the tv shows that tapes on the lot (don't ask which one,
please, i simply don't know) used a cute, fuzzy bear cub in the episode
they taped friday. i saw the trainer-type person with this precious
little thing on a leash. wow, thought i, just think...in a mere lifetime
or two you could be inspiring people to travel to new orleans and hold up
banners that say "moo."

such thoughts dutifully expressed to co-workers were met with derision.

curiouser and curiouser,
linda

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      ***la is the loneliest and most brutal of american cities;***
      ***new york gets god-awful cold in the winter but there's****
      ***a wacky feeling of comradeship somewhere in some streets.*
      ***la is a jungle.*******************************************
      **************************************jack kerouac***********

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date:         sat, 27 apr 1996 22:14:51 edt
reply-to:     jessie gilliam <jmg8r@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu>
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from:         jessie gilliam <jmg8r@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu>
subject:      sorta irrelevant... amy and ani

hello--
     just thought i'd let you all know that amy ray was spotted at the beacon
theatre in nyc last night watching ani difranco... i think it is pretty cool
that my one favorite artist (or at least half of them, the indigo girls)
listens to my other favorite artist, ani... thought you all might like to
know... :)

     --jessie

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date:         sat, 27 apr 1996 22:34:34 -0400
reply-to:     carin <adarcia@davidson.edu>
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from:         carin <adarcia@davidson.edu>
subject:      two may 4th tix for sale, 20th row

i have suddenly found myself unable to go to the may 4th concert to my extreme
dismay.  in any case, i have two tickets for the 20th row.  they cost me $81
total, but i'll sell one at a time if necessary.  please e-mail or call me asap
so i can send them to you in time.  put ticket buyer in the subject line.
thanks!  -a
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                                adriana arcia
  "oh the fear i've known that i                        adarcia@davidson.edu
might reap the praise of strangers           theatre major, davidson college
    and end up on my own"                       pob 2030, davidson, nc 28036
        -emily saliers
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date:         sat, 27 apr 1996 22:17:10 -0500
reply-to:     lawyerman <eml@sky.net>
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subject:      nigc - basilica block party, minneapolis

this is only marginally related to this list, but does anyone in
minneapolis know who is scheduled to play the basilica block party this
year, july 19-20? i know that golden smog is scheduled. last year 10,000
maniacs headlined with my favorite minneapolis band, tina & the b-side
movement. is tina scheduled to play this year? anyway, any information
will be appreciated since i will be planning another road trip to that
festival this year.

eddie

lawyerman's world wide web page | calendar of kansas city area music
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