lifeblood: listlogs: 1996-05b


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date:         tue, 7 may 1996 00:15:51 -0400
reply-to:     mmedido@aol.com
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subject:      n.o. may 2 photos :)

the photo fairies have smiled on me; claire devilmonkey johnson !
just got my prints back from the may 2 show !
they turned out !!!!!
great pic of a grinning emily !
grinning amy !
electric guitar thrashing hair in face amy, amy and michael
grinning at each other :)amy an' emily grinning at each other,
amy and emily staring at each other and leaning into each
other while jammin' away on the guitars (fender and martin),
emily close up whaling on the dobro, and acoustic git fiddles.
amy close up on the mandolin :)
but wait ! i still have a roll of b&w film to develop (come to
think of it, i still have a roll of jcs at seattle (bad zoot). guess
i'd better git' of my sorry arse an' git to it , eh?
couldn't process the uno show because of special push processing
gotta go to a diff' lab...not too sure about how they will turn out due
to the interference from the corporate dog security. (had to duck and
shoot from the 18th row, slow shutter speed an' stuff..so we'll see)

i wish i had a scanner ! (i'll get them to one soon !!!!)

power to the people ! (right on !!!)
:)
diablito mono
aka: natasha
aka: claire

"if we can laugh and sing a little as we fight  the good fight
of freedom, it makes it all go easier."
(sojourner truth)

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date:         mon, 6 may 1996 21:23:40 -0700
reply-to:     "l. andrade" <andrade@anna.az.com>
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from:         "l. andrade" <andrade@anna.az.com>
subject:      more n.o. reportings
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on mon, 6 may 1996 atlmouse@aol.com wrote:

> would that be sheila doyle?  when i saw amy play at eddie's attic in atlanta
> a couple of weeks ago, the two people that played with her were michael and
> sheila.  together they called themselves "flunkie".
> was there any mention of this during either show?

yep, that was sheila doyle. miranda made mention of this: they said during
the show that sheila and michael are now engaged to be married. :) nobody
mentioned the "flunkie" name though during the concert. they also said
they're keeping in close contact with sara lee, calling her on the road
every day and saying (as amy said) "emily is learning bass, hurry back!!"
-- or something like that, it was funny. i cant wait to get a boot just
so i can remember all the funny things they said between songs. :)

someone sent me email privately and asked what the titles of the new
songs are... just in case someone else wants to know:

amy: blood quantum (people were shouting for "genocide" at saturday's
concert, guess they didn't hear amy say what it was called on thursday.
she sings that word in the song), don't give that girl a gun, shame on you,
and chiapas bound. she didn't sing blood quantum on saturday, she sang
that on thursday instead of "get out the map" (which emily was going to
sing on thursday but the banjo wasn't working or something was wrong with
the sound so em + jimmy the guitar tech ran back stage.

emily: get out the map (solo, on banjo) this is a beautiful song. she only
did it on saturday, sitting down with the spotlights shining on her.  she
said "i feel like i'm in the movie deliverance." love her sense of humor
:)

amy said on thursday they've been spending their time planting tomatoes. :)

after doing two songs solo thursday amy said "where's my band?" cause
everyone, incl.  emily (still messing with the banjo prolly), was
backstage.  emily, sheila, and michael ran back out and they went right
into 3 hits. so now emily is part of amy's band?  *giggle* i thought that
was funny. :)

a small group of us ran into russel carter thursday night. someone called
out his name and he turned around and walked back towards us. he asked
"are you indigo girls fans?" (duh, yeah) and when we said yes he turned
and started walking away from us, in the direction he was going.  can't
really blame him. some guy that was with him actually came over to us and
talked with us for a minute. he said the new album might be called "shame
on you" and they think that will be the big hit (i think he's right). so
it'll prolly be the 1st single. we told him the new songs are incredible,
i hope the message gets back to a+e. :) don't know who he was though. i
thought it was really nice of him to stop and chat with us.

ok, ok. i've posted more in one day than i normally do in a month so i'm
gonna lurk again for at least a day. :)

kristina

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date:         mon, 6 may 1996 21:14:00 edt
reply-to:     howard barlow/ssi1 <howard_barlow/ssi1.ssi1@notes-gw.tus.ssi1.com>
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from:         howard barlow/ssi1 <howard_barlow/ssi1.ssi1@notes-gw.tus.ssi1.com>
subject:      may 2 - set list and mini review

what a fun time :)

it was soooo great meeting everybody.....  y'all are so wonderful, i am still
in bliss.

i just got back and scanned over the mailings and did not see a set list for the
thursday show.  i was able to piece it together, so here it is:

thursday, 5/2 - new orleans jazz (folk) and heritage festival.

galileo
reunion
southland in the springtime
power of two
this train (revised)
wood song
don't' give that girl a gun *
crazy game
tried to be true
closer to fine
blood quantum *
chiapas bound *
three hits
least complicated

enc:
thin line
shame on you *
finlandia

* first time live songs by amy ray

i really enjoyed southland in the springtime.  they got a big cheer when the
sang "played our
hearts out all night long in new orleans"  roar!!!      what an awesome this
train.  maybe it was
just me, because we were so close, but it really got to me.

the big news was that we got 4 new amy songs.  i think we even got one that
they hadn't
planned on.  they had just finished closer to fine, emily came out with a
banjo.  emily was full
of suprises at this show, she even played the bass guitar.  i think it was on
don't give that girl a
gun.   does anyone remember?  anyway back to the story, the banjo didn't work
for some reason.
jimmy came out and played with it for a bit, but it still didn't work.  things
got a little tense on the
stage.  emily and jimmy walked off to the side and were working on the banjo.
about that time
amy decided that enough was enough, grabbed her guitar, and ran on the stage
and played
blood quantum solo.  it was really great and intense.   at the end of the song
the banjo was still
not working, so jimmy continued working on it while emily rejoined amy and they
played chiapas
bound.  another new amy song and two in a row to boot.  at the end of that song
amy said
something like "some times we just have to change thing around here" and then
said "where's my
band"  they came running back on stage and she told them "3 hits" and off they
went into three
hits to make 3 amy songs in a row.

emily was not able to introduce her new song, but we got amy's blood quantum
instead.  emily
really made up for it on saturday though when she introduced her new solo song,
get out the map.
it was really beautiful and played on the banjo.

michael lorant and sheila doyle were there in place of sara lee who was on tour
with ani difranco.
they did a wonderful job.  michael played the drums, the clarinet, a flute, and
the accordion.  that
guy is so talented.  the guy who plays with michelle shocked came out and
played the flute on
closer to fine.  does anyone remember his name?  overall it was an excellent
performance.

:) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)

we had such a fun time.  i could spend a whole review telling just you about it
and i may do just
that later.  i hope everyone made it back ok....

cya, love y'all
- - howdy (howard.barlow@cdo.ssi1.com)

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date:         tue, 7 may 1996 00:25:57 -0400
reply-to:     mmedido@aol.com
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from:         mmedido@aol.com
subject:      sheeeeeeeilaaaaa !!!!!!!

in a message dated 96-05-06 22:11:58 edt, linda writes:

>the girl in the pictures on the web site was introduced as sheila
>(something??),

that would be the fabulous *sheila doyle*
of big fish ensemble....buy all of their stuff ..right now !!!!!!
she sings one of my favoritest songs of all time.............
that would be.."humingbird hotel" (by deacon lunchbox)

love,
binky

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date:         tue, 7 may 1996 01:04:11 -0500
reply-to:     dana m carlson <carl0573@maroon.tc.umn.edu>
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from:         dana m carlson <carl0573@maroon.tc.umn.edu>
subject:      igc-no car wreck-please help me

hi all-

my name is dana carlson and i'm a student at the university of
minnesota.  i've been lurking for about a year now, and really need all
of your help.  i, along with my friends jenny, sheila, and aaron, were
planning to road trip from minneapolis to no to see the may 4 concert.
about 80 miles from no, just inside of the louisiana border, some wood
planks fell out of the pickup in front of us, went into the axle of the
front wheel of our 4runner, and flipped us going 70mph. i walked away, as
did sheila and aaron, but jenny wasn't as lucky.  she was driving, and
when our 4runner flipped, it landed and skidded on the driver's side.
she lost part of her left elbow on highway 55, and is missing three
inches of her brachial artery, three inches of her median nerve, and had
massive tissue and tendon loss, not to mention the fact that she has no
elbow to attach the ligaments in her arm.  she was air-lifted to a
hospital in baton rouge, and is facing another five or so surgeries and
the possibility of losing all function of her arm.

now to igc-

i was responsible for converting jenny into a huge ig fan, and this was
to be her first concert.  it would mean so much if she could get a
get-well card from amy and emily.  the people in the truck
that was carrying the wood are twisting the story around, and she's
always been so active and to spend 2 nights in the surgical icu and who
knows how long in the hospital until she can return to her parent's house in
wisconsin (we withdrew her from classes today)--everything is so
overwhelming, and sheila and aaron and i had to fly back to the cities
tonight.  for only being 20, she's a very strong woman, but it was still
so hard to leave her.

if any of you could give me information on how to get in touch in any way
with a&e i would be beyond grateful.  just a card - it would mean the
world to someone who is facing years of intensive physical therapy.

if any of you want to drop her a note or something, or could just even
give this address to a&e somehow, here it is:

jennifer haven rm. 429
our lady of the lake hospital
5000 hennessy blvd.
baton rouge, la  70809
(504)765-6565

she is an amazing friend, and to hear someone i love shouting for help
or she'll bleed to death is something i'll never be able to forget.  it
was supposed to be a memorable indigo weekend.  it was supposed to be a
lot of things--please help me.

i'll never listen to watershed the same again-

dana

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date:         tue, 7 may 1996 00:20:18 -0700
reply-to:     carolyn chow <egg@u.washington.edu>
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from:         carolyn chow <egg@u.washington.edu>
subject:      re: may 2 - set list and mini review
x-to:         howard barlow/ssi1 <howard_barlow/ssi1.ssi1@notes-gw.tus.ssi1.com>
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on mon, 6 may 1996, howard barlow/ssi1 wrote:


  the guy who plays with michelle shocked came out and
> played the flute on
> closer to fine.  does anyone remember his name?  overall it was an excellent
> performance.
>

hey howard!  (and everyone else)

i'm still recovering!  why didn't any of us sleep?  duh!  i could go there
with sleeping!  i'll probably sleep this entire week just to make up for
it!  but it was all worth it (especially seeing eric's butt)!

anyway, the guy who played with michelle shocked is fiachna o'braonain.
they were incredible together.

carolyn

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date:         tue, 7 may 1996 07:43:05 -0400
reply-to:     water <water@mindspring.com>
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from:         water <water@mindspring.com>
subject:      shelia doyle, some igc

heya y'all.. i'm seeing all of the mentions of shelia doyle..  i dunno about
her personal stuff, but i do know this- shelia doyle is also in a band, that
after a quick screening i've not seen mentioned, maybe i missed it..  she's
in a band called dew.. she plays guitar.. if you've seen jcs, or the video,
you have seen shelia doyle, she is the guiarist in the dress in the opening
instrumental..  they are incredible..  ya outta check them out sometime..

sounds like new orleans was a blast.. some of those songs that amy and emily
did they had also done at the redlight cafe writers night w/ mmalone, wendy
bucklew, and cooper seay.. sounds like emily's songs were better this time
around.. at the red light she did a new song about going grocery shopping..
glad she is back on her stuff..  'don't give that girl a gun' rocks..
jealous i didn't hear it in a big setting..

btw, i forgot to mention in my post. atlanta pride is june 28th-30th.. it
should be another grand showcase for atlanta music.

*smile*

"if you're afraid of the dark.. remember the night rainbow.."

"if you have butterflies in your stomach.. ask them into your heart.."
        -cooper edens
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date:         tue, 7 may 1996 05:22:05 -0700
reply-to:     "l. andrade" <andrade@anna.az.com>
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subject:      best comment award...

and the prize for best audience comment at the 5/2 show goes to joe!

after a new amy song joe and a few other people shouted "what's that
called?!" a few times before amy revealed the title was "don't give that
girl a gun." then two songs later after "closer to fine" joe right next to
me shouts out... (you guessed it)

"what's that called?!"

ok, ok. it was funny at the time :)

hmm, i did say i was going back into lurk mode didnt i? blame bonnie, she
told me not to. :) hey bonnie, just wait til this letter i'm writing gets
to you, you're gonna know more about this last week than you ever wanted
to know! :)

y'all rock,
k.

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date:         tue, 7 may 1996 10:43:05 -0400
reply-to:     jh9882a@american.edu
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from:         jennifer <temp3@accsct.org>
subject:      thanks, etc.

hi to everyone, and thanks for the posts from the people who
got to go to no.  i really felt like i was there!!!!
(wiping tears from eyes)

i made a tape last night for my mom to convert her to ig and
melissa e.     here's hoping it works!

i made my dad watch watershed with me, and during one
song he said  "oh, that looks like a martin." referring to one
of the guitars, and remembering the discussion on the list
about this, i was able to say, "yeah, dad you're right!"  i was
proud of him   :)

okay, enough for now,
jen

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date:         tue, 7 may 1996 10:38:38 -0400
reply-to:     "a. nadyne hagon" <ahagon@st6000.sct.edu>
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from:         "a. nadyne hagon" <ahagon@st6000.sct.edu>
organization: southern college of technology
subject:      re: amy's new songs
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<snip>
> not even joe and his collection of superheroes are gonna change my mind!

i'm sorry, but i have to jump on this . . .

"and superheroes will come to feast,
to taste the flesh not yet diseased."

{i need my rhps fix this weekend!  i survived midterms, and i think i
deserve a good thing for a 94 on my calc iii exam and a 96 on my adv
stats exam!}

okay, i'll stop being silly.  honest.

nadyne.

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date:         tue, 7 may 1996 09:33:00 cdt
reply-to:     jennifer hall
              <jennifer=hall%ts=syscall2%cs=hou@bangate.compaq.com>
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from:         jennifer hall
              <jennifer=hall%ts=syscall2%cs=hou@bangate.compaq.com>
subject:      re: may 2 - set list and mini review

who else was disappointed that michelle shocked was on the front page of
the no newspaper friday?  i bought the damn paper hoping to see something
about the indigo girls - - but noooo.

did anybody grab any newspaper from no that had anything about a&e?
perhaps thursdays paper?

  - jen hall
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from howard barlow/ssi1 <howard_barlow/ssi1.ssi1, on 5/6/96 9:14 pm:
to: <indigo-girls@netspace.org>

from too long. original from is 'howard barlow/ssi1
<howard_barlow/ssi1.ssi1@notes-gw.tus.ssi1.com>'

----------------------  original message follows  ----------------------

what a fun time :)it was soooo great meeting everybody.....  y'all are so
wonderful, i am stillin bliss.i just got back and scanned over the mailings
and did not see a set list for thethursday show.  i was able to piece it
together, so here it is:thursday, 5/2 - new orleans jazz (folk) and
heritage festival.galileoreunionsouthland in the springtimepower of twothis
train (revised)wood songdon't' give that girl a gun *crazy gametried to be
truecloser to fineblood quantum *chiapas bound *three hitsleast
complicatedenc:thin lineshame on you *finlandia* first time live songs by
amy rayi really enjoyed southland in the springtime.  they got a big cheer
when thesang "played ourhearts out all night long in new orleans"  roar!!!
    what an awesome thistrain.  maybe it wasjust me, because we were so
close, but it really got to me.the big news was that we got 4 new amy
songs.  i think we even got one thatthey hadn'tplanned on.  they had just
finished closer to fine, emily came out with abanjo.  emily was fullof
suprises at this show, she even played the bass guitar.  i think it was
ondon't give that girl agun.   does anyone remember?  anyway back to the
story, the banjo didn't workfor some reason.jimmy came out and played with
it for a bit, but it still didn't work.  thingsgot a little tense on
thestage.  emily and jimmy walked off to the side and were working on the
banjo.about that timeamy decided that enough was enough, grabbed her guitar,
and ran on the stageand playedblood quantum solo.  it was really great and
intense.   at the end of the songthe banjo was stillnot working, so jimmy
continued working on it while emily rejoined amy and theyplayed
chiapasbound.  another new amy song and two in a row to boot.  at the end
of that songamy saidsomething like "some times we just have to change thing
around here" and thensaid "where's myband"  they came running back on stage
and she told them "3 hits" and off theywent into threehits to make 3 amy
songs in a row.emily was not able to introduce her new song, but we got
amy's blood quantuminstead.  emilyreally made up for it on saturday though
when she introduced her new solo song,get out the map.it was really
beautiful and played on the banjo.michael lorant and sheila doyle were
there in place of sara lee who was on tourwith ani difranco.they did a
wonderful job.  michael played the drums, the clarinet, a flute, andthe
accordion.  thatguy is so talented.  the guy who plays with michelle
shocked came out andplayed the flute oncloser to fine.  does anyone
remember his name?  overall it was an excellentperformance.:) :) :) :) :)
:) :) :) :)we had such a fun time.  i could spend a whole review telling
just you about itand i may do justthat later.  i hope everyone made it back
ok....cya, love y'all- - howdy (howard.barlow@cdo.ssi1.com)--administrative
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date:         tue, 7 may 1996 16:12:50 +0100
reply-to:     helen brindley <hb07@students.stir.ac.uk>
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from:         helen brindley <hb07@students.stir.ac.uk>
subject:      no indigo girl content

sorry,
yet again my message has nothing to do with the indigo girls
i just thought i'd ask you all a question seeing as you are all people with
obvious musical taste: i recently bought a "promo only not for sale" tape
by someone called jann arden under a&m records and it's brilliant!
it's called "living under june"
i wondered (as i haven't been able to find any subsequent arden releases)
whether perhaps she has made it over in the us and hasn't reached us in
the uk yet.
i'd just like to hear from anyone who
who knows anything at all about jann. if you ever see any of her stuff
buy it she's excellent!

thanks again.

indigophiles.


peace and crumbly biscuits

helen brindley            (__)
hb07@students.stir.ac.uk  (oo)
                           \_|

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date:         tue, 7 may 1996 10:17:55 -0500
reply-to:     carolyn <underdog@onramp.net>
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from:         carolyn <underdog@onramp.net>
subject:      other artists (nigc)

wanted to pass along some info on an artist that i really like that i found
via the indigo girls and i think some of you may like too.  her name is
marlee macleod, she is a great singer-songwriter with definate rock flair
that i ran across at eddies attic a couple of years ago and then was
fortunate enough to catch at south by southwest this past spring.  she used
to be from athens but i think is based in minneapolis now.

she's got two cds, 'drive too fast' and 'favorite ball and chain', both are
out on the medium cool records label.  i stumbled across a web site for her
this morning at:
http://www.tt.net/mcool/macleod.html

anyway, i highly recommend her cds and also going to see her live if you get
a chance.  it looked like you can order the music from her site, i also know
that cdnow (a web based cd store) has them both.

it is hard to write how something sounds, but as a point of reference some
of the artists i really like are indigo girls, bruce springsteen, jackson
browne, steve earle, melissa etheridge, michelle malone, kristen hall,
michelle shocked, ellen james society, and mary fortune express.

take care

carolyn

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date:         tue, 7 may 1996 10:24:30 +0000
reply-to:     eric d thiel <eric.d.thiel-1@tc.umn.edu>
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comments:     authenticated sender is <thie0080@thie0080.email.umn.edu>
from:         go go gadget metro!!! <indigo.girl@peter.saab>
organization: none whatsoever.
subject:      re: honor the earth tour

ok.
here's what i've established so far. someone said they announced
two shows @ northrop (at the sxsw show) in september. they were
supposed to be part of hte. i now have the info about hte, and they
are releasing a cd(compilation) in aug. and list benefit concerts and
release parties in september. however, the web page seems to be
non-existant(unless it was down that day...i'll check) and northrop
seems to know nothing about it yet. i may be getting a job there this
week, so i'll have the inside scoop. hope this helped clear something
up.

on   3 may 96, amanda bakken said about re: honor the earth tour:

> okay, so someone i know has talked to the people at northrup auditorium
> about the september concerts in minneapolis, and they said they knew
> nothing about them.  are they at northrup, or somewhere else?  i could
> have sworn someone said they would be at northrup...
> amanda

eric.

now playing:  indigo girls - "power of two"  maxi-single

       "to err is human, to moo bovine."

"we fight for freedom, which no good man would surrender, but with his life."

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date:         tue, 7 may 1996 08:34:09 -0600
reply-to:     sunny <sun@swcp.com>
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subject:      clothes horse

> make it your goal to one day board a
>plane knowing that the only luggage you have to worry about is the bag
>you're carrying on!!!

     i can do this, i have done this, i will be doing this when i fly to
san francisco on may 27 to see ani difranco (my birthday present to
myself).
my problem is that i can never get all my "new" stuff in the bag for the
trip back.  i somehow feel the need to have at least one copy of every
t-shirt they sell at the concert along with various other goodies.
     when i went on a 3 week trek last summer following the ig on the honor
the earth tour from new mexico to oregon, by the time i was finished my
single bag would not zip closed with all my extra goodies.  my answer was
to box everything up and mail it back to albuquerque, so i only had one bag
jumping on the plane for the way back. and it was kinda like christmas when
the box arrived a couple of days after me!

                                --sunny

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date:         tue, 7 may 1996 11:31:26 -0400
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subject:      re: no indigo girl content
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on tue, 7 may 1996, helen brindley wrote:

> i just thought i'd ask you all a question seeing as you are all people with
> obvious musical taste: i recently bought a "promo only not for sale" tape
> by someone called jann arden under a&m records and it's brilliant!
> it's called "living under june"
> i wondered (as i haven't been able to find any subsequent arden releases)
> whether perhaps she has made it over in the us and hasn't reached us in
> the uk yet.

actually, jann arden is a canadian artist; only her second album, "living
under june" is widely available in the states. her first, "time for
mercy" is also wonderful, but hasn't made it across the border yet. you
should be able to order it, i'd imagine.

kristina

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subject:      no and such

okay all you poor people with sad excuses. ihave four finals this week
and no money, but i have no regrets and it was worth it all. the people
were great and you guys still crack me up when i think about it. i can't
add much to the reviews, the girls were amazing but the crowd was lacking
on sat. the evil security people wouldn't let us dance so miranda and i
told emily to tell them to let us dance she said something to the effect
of "turn to your neighbor anf say neighbor do you mind if i dance and
your neighbor will say sure" so we added no it's the security guys. then
amy says " well rules are made to be broken so break em, of course last
time i told someone that they were thrown in a nashville jail." so we
started dancing unti lthe guy behind us, who had never heard the girls
beforei n his life, had the security gaurds hassle us *ggrrroowwwlll*
kristal was not happy sitting. so we moved down, giggle closer to amy,
and finished of the show. for all those concerned i have never seen amy
look hotter, me and another discussed just how great her butt is, during
the thurs show. okay well this was long enough so i'll stop, sorry to rub
salt into the wounds of those who couldn't go. tah ta

kristal the euphoric

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date:         tue, 7 may 1996 09:44:09 mst
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subject:      let's help dana...

god, i am all choked up and sad right now after readin dana's story
and i know i am not the only one...

i know there are some of you out there who are fairly well connected in
the indigo world (joe? my pal al from boulder?) and might be able to get in
touch with russell carter or someone in atlanta and get a card or soemthing
from the girls for her friend. is that even a remote possibility?

as for the rest of us, i suggest a massive letter writing, card sending
campaign of get well wishes. dana, can you give us an address to send stuff?
and should we just send cards, or would tapes and other fun stuff be nice, or
would that be too "flashback" for her? i know we would all want to be
sensitive.

thanks god the two of you are okay and i am praying for your friend....
please try to stay strong for her.....

our hearts are with you,
susan

"now i know that nothing ever grows
from a chin in a hand and a thoughtful pose...
gotta tend to the earth if you want a rose"
                                -emily saliers

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subject:      shit, i'm sorry y'all (nigc)

there's the address, right in front of my face, to send jennifer a card.

lets get crackin. i know even if noone could reach a and e, i think they'd
want us to do this.....

susan

"now i know that nothing ever grows
from a chin in a hand and a thoughtful pose...
gotta tend to the earth if you want a rose"
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date:         tue, 7 may 1996 09:38:47 -0700
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subject:      re: clothes horse

at 08:34 am 5/7/96 -0600, sunny wrote:
>my answer was
>to box everything up and mail it back to albuquerque, so i only had one bag
>jumping on the plane for the way back. and it was kinda like christmas when
>the box arrived a couple of days after me!

now this is a really nifty answer to the very same problem i've had...
course, last time i was ever anywhere + bought something that wouldn't fit
in my luggage, it was a trampoline....
peace all... kim
<kim fischer>
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subject:      re: let's help dana...

at 09:44 am 5/7/96 mst, susan wrote ( concerning dana's friend, jenny, was
seriously injured in a car accident on the way to the concert in no ) :

>as for the rest of us, i suggest a massive letter writing, card sending
>campaign of get well wishes.
>dana, can you give us an address to send stuff?
>and should we just send cards, or would tapes and other fun stuff be nice, or
>would that be too "flashback" for her? i know we would all want to be
>sensitive.
here's one ig lister who'll be sending a card ... dana did say that if we
wanted to drop jenny a note we could... and the address is included in
dana's post. my heart goes out to both jenny and dana....
peace y'all... kim
<kim fischer>
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date:         tue, 7 may 1996 12:51:56 -0400
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subject:      bye y'all
in-reply-to:  <199605071238.aa29772@mail-relay1>

hi everyone.  i am just writing to say that i'm going home tomorrow to
missouri (aka: email?  what's that?) and i'm being forced to unsubscribe
until i get back.  but i wanted to let y'all know that i love you
guys!!!  you really give me something to look forward to everyday, i love
the ig and i love people who love the ig.

i hope you had fun in no, seems like you did.

also, i missed "touch me fall" day, i think.  either that, or we never
had it.  but it was the song that cemented me as an ig fan forever.  i
know most people don't like it as much, but it is and always will be up
there among my faves.

well, i'll see y'all next year!

love
jacqui

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subject:      jans lost phone number

jan,
my e-mail account was totally wiped out last night. what's your number so
i can call you.
sorry to bother the list,
ben

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subject:      indicated iii

can someone e-mail me on how to get a copy of indicated iii?

thanks,

ron

p.s.  it's been a tough year, but i'm still alive.
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subject:      nigc:  need to find someone...

hey folks,

   does anyone have the home (phone or mail) information for shannon
shevlock (yamaha)?  she wrote me about recording something, and it got
buried unread in my inbox until a second ago--unfortunately she left
her account for the summer and i can't get in touch now.

   if anyone has info please email me privately--both i and shannon
would appreciate it!

                                thanks,

                                   chris


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subject:      re: more n.o. reportings

living vicariously through everyone who went to no...

>amy said on thursday they've been spending their time planting tomatoes. :)

cool! i sent them tomatoe seeds last summer. *huge grin* (yes, lorindigo the
freak strikes again :)
>
>after doing two songs solo thursday amy said "where's my band?" cause
>into 3 hits. so now emily is part of amy's band?  *giggle* i thought that
>was funny. :)

methinks i hear a grumble or two from the collective souls of all the emily
people out there.
>
>a small group of us ran into russel carter thursday night. someone called
>out his name and he turned around and walked back towards us. he asked
>"are you indigo girls fans?" (duh, yeah) and when we said yes he turned
>and started walking away from us, in the direction he was going.  can't

the obvious course of action next time this happens to someone is to say, "no.
*insert confused look here* who are the indigo girls?" just to see if he comes
over to talk to you about them.

and, in the time honored tradition of me _never_ having only one thing to say,
i got the jcs video last week. if any of you out there are avoiding buying
this video because you've already seen bootleg jcs videos, smack yourselves
now, and then go buy the official video. it's _real_ special. those girls sure
have a knack for putting together some fantastic footage. lots of great clips,
and even a surprise emily moment. i won't say any more about it, but does
anyone know what the deal is with "what's the buzz?" supposedly coming soon.
so what is it?

eagerly awaiting newport, and hoping i'm not unlucky enough to get a job
_before_ august 10-11.

folkisgruven,
lorindigo
driving...

    i           will            not        be               complacent
lorinda wright           "learn to pretend there's more than love that
lw01@lehigh.edu           matters. -e.s.
lehigh university         "and i drove out of there with no one behind
bethlehem, pa             me. i was feeling funny and free. -a.r.
    i           will            not         be              complacent

so if i am not who you thought i was, well hello it's nice to meet you.
willing to wait. i will survive. i will love every minute of my life. i will
not concede. i will believe. -melissa ferrick

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on fri, 3 may 1996 verdi@imap2.asu.edu wrote:

> i always thought that every list member should make a starter ig tape and
> distribute them to non ig listeners. maybe even give it a cool name.

for what it's worth ... this is how i started !! now i have it all and a
number of boots ( thanks to all ;-) )

jules

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subject:      migc- jann arden

hey ya'll-

i managed to get ja first album "time for mercy" through columbia house.  i
wasn't that impressed with it though.  she is a little too teeny-boppin for
me....sort of like that joan osborne thing, except arden can sing.  anyhoo, my
friend works at vh-1 and he had lunch with her and amy scott last week and
says that ja is very cool and very laid back.  i may have to get the 2nd album
to compare.  you may also be able to order it from your local record store.
i know barnes and noble and media play are really cool about ordering....

later-

karrie, who is thinking to herself right now, "oh my god, i have to know all
of women's european history by six oclock, and ican'ttakeitanymore!!!!!!!!!!!!!!help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1"

                    "he's fucking beautiful, isn't he?'
                      "whoohoooo"
                     "oops, sorry, ya'll"
                          -amy and emily

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date:         tue, 7 may 1996 14:20:21 est
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subject:      saying goodbye (nigc)

hey y'all,
i'm leaving school tomorrow so i will be signing off the list for
hopefully no more than a couple of hours.  i will sign on again as
soon as i get home and have no complications.  see you from another
address.
erika
as of may 8, my new e-mail address will be
vmenanteau@aol.com

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subject:      re: igc-no car wreck-please help me
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i am sitting here with tears in my eyes, feeling extreme guilt for the
amazing experience we shared in new orleans.   dana, you guys definetly
should have been a part of that. a similar experience happened to me on
the way home from tom petty last year, so i know how shaken up you all
must be.  i will talk to a friend of mine and possibly get an address for
you to send a letter to the girls.

take care.
miranda

on tue, 7 may 1996, dana m carlson wrote:

> hi all-
>
> my name is dana carlson and i'm a student at the university of
> minnesota.  i've been lurking for about a year now, and really need all
> of your help.  i, along with my friends jenny, sheila, and aaron, were
> planning to road trip from minneapolis to no to see the may 4 concert.
> about 80 miles from no, just inside of the louisiana border, some wood
> planks fell out of the pickup in front of us, went into the axle of the
> front wheel of our 4runner, and flipped us going 70mph. i walked away, as
> did sheila and aaron, but jenny wasn't as lucky.  she was driving, and
> when our 4runner flipped, it landed and skidded on the driver's side.
> she lost part of her left elbow on highway 55, and is missing three
> inches of her brachial artery, three inches of her median nerve, and had
> massive tissue and tendon loss, not to mention the fact that she has no
> elbow to attach the ligaments in her arm.  she was air-lifted to a
> hospital in baton rouge, and is facing another five or so surgeries and
> the possibility of losing all function of her arm.
>
> now to igc-
>
> i was responsible for converting jenny into a huge ig fan, and this was
> to be her first concert.  it would mean so much if she could get a
> get-well card from amy and emily.  the people in the truck
> that was carrying the wood are twisting the story around, and she's
> always been so active and to spend 2 nights in the surgical icu and who
> knows how long in the hospital until she can return to her parent's house in
> wisconsin (we withdrew her from classes today)--everything is so
> overwhelming, and sheila and aaron and i had to fly back to the cities
> tonight.  for only being 20, she's a very strong woman, but it was still
> so hard to leave her.
>
> if any of you could give me information on how to get in touch in any way
> with a&e i would be beyond grateful.  just a card - it would mean the
> world to someone who is facing years of intensive physical therapy.
>
> if any of you want to drop her a note or something, or could just even
> give this address to a&e somehow, here it is:
>
> jennifer haven rm. 429
> our lady of the lake hospital
> 5000 hennessy blvd.
> baton rouge, la  70809
> (504)765-6565
>
> she is an amazing friend, and to hear someone i love shouting for help
> or she'll bleed to death is something i'll never be able to forget.  it
> was supposed to be a memorable indigo weekend.  it was supposed to be a
> lot of things--please help me.
>
> i'll never listen to watershed the same again-
>
> dana
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from:         miranda detore <inxsive@u.washington.edu>
subject:      re: who whistles?
x-to:         jriley@smith.smith.edu
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usually sara lee, but michael lorant did the honors this time!

(hi-eee everyone!)

m

on mon, 6 may 1996 jriley@smith.smith.edu wrote:

> hey y'all!
>         welcome back to those of you who traveled to n.o., and i have a random
> question inspired by a friend.  who whistles on 'closer to fine'?  my memory
> fails me, so i hope one of you can help, the question is irking me...
>
> thanks!
> happy day,
> jennie
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subject:      blood and fire

okay, y'all...

here's the low-down on the cd situation.

i think all of the copies that i have are spoken for, so if you have
e-mailed me privately, and i haven't responded to you, it's because this
general announcement is for you.  so many people responded, that i am
going to try to order some more copies if it is still being pressed.  if
that venture is successful, everyone who still wants a copy will have
another chance.

love yous...

miranda

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reply-to:     miranda detore <inxsive@u.washington.edu>
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ya!

russell is a butt-head!  neener neener nee-ner!

he totally blew us off, and i like totally yelled his name politely!

:)

miranda


on mon, 6 may 1996, l. andrade wrote:

> on mon, 6 may 1996 atlmouse@aol.com wrote:
>
> > would that be sheila doyle?  when i saw amy play at eddie's attic in atlanta
> > a couple of weeks ago, the two people that played with her were michael and
> > sheila.  together they called themselves "flunkie".
> > was there any mention of this during either show?
>
> yep, that was sheila doyle. miranda made mention of this: they said during
> the show that sheila and michael are now engaged to be married. :) nobody
> mentioned the "flunkie" name though during the concert. they also said
> they're keeping in close contact with sara lee, calling her on the road
> every day and saying (as amy said) "emily is learning bass, hurry back!!"
> -- or something like that, it was funny. i cant wait to get a boot just
> so i can remember all the funny things they said between songs. :)
>
> someone sent me email privately and asked what the titles of the new
> songs are... just in case someone else wants to know:
>
> amy: blood quantum (people were shouting for "genocide" at saturday's
> concert, guess they didn't hear amy say what it was called on thursday.
> she sings that word in the song), don't give that girl a gun, shame on you,
> and chiapas bound. she didn't sing blood quantum on saturday, she sang
> that on thursday instead of "get out the map" (which emily was going to
> sing on thursday but the banjo wasn't working or something was wrong with
> the sound so em + jimmy the guitar tech ran back stage.
>
> emily: get out the map (solo, on banjo) this is a beautiful song. she only
> did it on saturday, sitting down with the spotlights shining on her.  she
> said "i feel like i'm in the movie deliverance." love her sense of humor
> :)
>
> amy said on thursday they've been spending their time planting tomatoes. :)
>
> after doing two songs solo thursday amy said "where's my band?" cause
> everyone, incl.  emily (still messing with the banjo prolly), was
> backstage.  emily, sheila, and michael ran back out and they went right
> into 3 hits. so now emily is part of amy's band?  *giggle* i thought that
> was funny. :)
>
> a small group of us ran into russel carter thursday night. someone called
> out his name and he turned around and walked back towards us. he asked
> "are you indigo girls fans?" (duh, yeah) and when we said yes he turned
> and started walking away from us, in the direction he was going.  can't
> really blame him. some guy that was with him actually came over to us and
> talked with us for a minute. he said the new album might be called "shame
> on you" and they think that will be the big hit (i think he's right). so
> it'll prolly be the 1st single. we told him the new songs are incredible,
> i hope the message gets back to a+e. :) don't know who he was though. i
> thought it was really nice of him to stop and chat with us.
>
> ok, ok. i've posted more in one day than i normally do in a month so i'm
> gonna lurk again for at least a day. :)
>
> kristina
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subject:      re: shelia doyle, some igc

in a message dated 96-05-07 07:47:03 edt, you write:

>  she's
>in a band called dew.. she plays guitar.. if you've seen jcs, or the video,
>you have seen shelia doyle, she is the guiarist in the dress in the opening
>instrumental..  they are incredible..  ya outta check them out sometime..

naw....i love dew...but thats not sheila doyle, that's ann wood.
sheila's in "big fish ensemble".
everybody should just git' themselves a daemon and long play
catalogue and jes' work your way through it as fundage allows.
you just can"t go wrong !

love,
binky

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on thu, 2 may 1996, cyndi johnson wrote:

> ditto for me!  i'd like one of those "last year" t-shirts, too, if there are
> any extras lying around -- and please make some of the new ones available in
> xxl, so there's enough of a "shrink factor" to accommodate my middle-age
> spread...  thanks, y'all!
>
> cyndi


i second, third or whatever this request (incl. the size if possible)
thanks!

jenifer
s013jem@discover.wright.edu

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subject:      helping jenny and dana

hi all,

sorry if this is a repeat - i sent a message earlier but as far as i
can tell, it never showed up.

after i read dana's message, i printed it out and mailed it to amy
& emily c/o russell carter mngt because i don't think i could have
explained it any better.  i don't know if they'll actually get to
read it but i'm hoping they will. maybe some of you can do the same
thing - that way there'll be a better chance of it reaching them.
and anyone who has any kind of connection - please do whatever you
can to let them know what happened.

it's just so sad that what was supposed to be such a great weekend
for dana and jenny and their friends turned out like this.  i wish
there was more i could do.

--sarah

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hi all,

after i read jenny and dana's story, i had to do something so i
printed out dana's message, wrote a quick note to a & e and sent
it to them c/o russell management.  now, i don't have any kind of
in with them so i don't even know if they'll even read it, but
maybe if some of you did the same thing there's a better chance of
them reading it.  i can't imagine that they wouldn't send her at
least a card once they know what happened. anyways, i'm definitely
also going to send jenny a card myself, as i'm sure you all will too.
and anyone who has any better connection to the girls, please do
what you can to let them know.

i wish jenny all the power in the world to help her through this.

--sarah

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subject:      clarification on n.o. photos

someone just pointed something out to me.........

and i didn't want to give out the wrong impression...
so i want to point out that the jazzfest was open access.
cameras were allowed...so i was legit there.

the uno show was reputedly open also...except for
recording and video devices (same post as jazzfest out door shows).
this was also verified by a call to the venue...at no time
was any mention made of 'instamatics only' !
i was allowed in with my camera as was everyone else,
then we heard they were popping folks with
slr's and asked three security guards if it was okay to take
pictures and they said it was fine with no flash. then went ahead
and popped those who had slr's (i think that i could have
successfully argued that point, this "rule" was posted nowhere).

as a loyal listener who has spent hundreds of dollars on ig products
(as well as indie altanta artists) and had traveled half way accross the
country to see the shows..i was (understandably) hacked off.
i do not advocate doing anything underhanded...i was speaking
specifically to this particular situation.

that is all,

claire

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how many of us have indiglo watches? and did you get it before or after
you discovered the girls?
peace out,
karey
who's procrastinating
and needs to know about 50 trees in an hour or so

ps my grandparents are hepper than they realize: they live on indigo place!

i'll stop now.

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subject:      jenny update

hi all-

i'm not that much of a crying-type person, but when i checked my e-mail
and saw all the messages, i totally broke down.  we have been
blessed with so many random acts of kindness in the past couple of days -
you all are just amazing.

i just got off the phone with jenny, and she's doing ok.  she has the
most awesome sense of humor, and we were talking about the 4runner
flipping and everything, and how much it was totaled, and she just said,
well, if we're going to trash the truck, might as well do it right, and
we sure as hell did.  she's kind of bored, and doesn't have a lot to do
or to read, and she said she would love and cards or tapes or whatever
that anyone would like to send.  she told me to tell you all thanks and
that you guys rock.

she is going in to surgery for a skin graft on thursday, and will be
heading back to wisconsin next tuesday.  she will need to have her elbow
reconstructed since the whole damn thing was shaved off, and will also
eventually need a nerve graft, taking nerve tissue from her leg and
putting it in her arm.  all of that will be done in wisconsin in the
coming months because the repair done to her brachial artery needs to
heal more before they can go back in.  she is getting circulation in
there though, so that is some good news.

like i said, she will be flying back to wisconsin next tuesday, may 14, and
her home address there is:

jenny haven
957 london st.
menasha, wi  54952

the hospital address again, and i have her room phone number too:

jenny haven rm. 429
our lady of the lake hospital
5000 hennessy blvd.
baton rouge, la  70809
(504)765-1429

she was very excited when i told her that ig might be playing at the
northrop here on campus in minneapolis this fall.  i'm going to get her
to a concert if it's the last thing i ever do.  her spirits sound good,
and she's so strong, but i know it's going to be tough for a long time.
i wish all of you could know just how beautiful of a person and a friend
she is.  i know she would do anything for me, and i really want to do
this for her.

again, i just can't thank all of you enough for your concern and your
prayers.  it was such a traumatic experience for all of us, and the fact
that we are all still alive is a miracle.  if jenny wouldn't have had her
seat belt on, she'd be dead for sure.  it was just a freak accident.
i'll be trying to contact russell carter, and the help from all of you as
well will hopefully be enough to get jenny that card.  she was so excited
for this concert, and when i told her that you all were helping me to
contact a&e really brightened her up.  thank you all so much.

i sailed my ship of safety till i sank it,
dana

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subject:      re: sheeeeeeeilaaaaa !!!!!!!
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speaking of "sheeeeeeeilaaaaaa !!!!!",

        did anyone elso get a might kick out of her violin interpretation
of "galileo"?  she was plucking away at her strings in place of jerry
marotta's tone boxes... i was amazed...

        the other minute detail hangin' around in my mind...amy's got her
guitar strapped around her and emily's just standing there guitar-less...

        amy:  "are you gonna play????"
        emily:  (ever soooo sweetly) "i'm waiting for a guitar..."

i can't wipe this stupid smile off my face...
teri

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subject:      don't give that girl a gun

hi y'all,

so i've been mulling this over, and i can't decide... do you think
amy's saying in her new song:

"don't give that girl a gun--she's already won,"   or...
"don't give that girl a gun--she's already one?"

anybody catch more of the lyrics?  and can type 'em all out for us? =)
definitely gets stuck in your head, especially the harmony on "gun"
where amy's singing scale degree 3 and emily jumps up to scale degree 7...
i think it's a vi9 chord, quite a bold choice, really grabs ya!

scot

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reply-to:     miranda detore <inxsive@u.washington.edu>
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subject:      re: honor the earth tour
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hey hey hey

the minneapolis shows are supposed to be a benefit for the hte fund, but
are not part of a planned tour.  they look pretty definite, and i only
know this b/c of a few little birdies.

sorry i didn't mention anything earlier everyone!


miranda

on tue, 7 may 1996, go go gadget metro!!! wrote:

> ok.
>  here's what i've established so far. someone said they announced
> two shows @ northrop (at the sxsw show) in september. they were
> supposed to be part of hte. i now have the info about hte, and they
> are releasing a cd(compilation) in aug. and list benefit concerts and
> release parties in september. however, the web page seems to be
> non-existant(unless it was down that day...i'll check) and northrop
> seems to know nothing about it yet. i may be getting a job there this
> week, so i'll have the inside scoop. hope this helped clear something
> up.
>
> on   3 may 96, amanda bakken said about re: honor the earth tour:
>
> > okay, so someone i know has talked to the people at northrup auditorium
> > about the september concerts in minneapolis, and they said they knew
> > nothing about them.  are they at northrup, or somewhere else?  i could
> > have sworn someone said they would be at northrup...
> > amanda
>
> eric.
>
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>
>        "to err is human, to moo bovine."
>
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subject:      re: sheeeeeeeilaaaaa !!!!!!!

no kidding !!!  i loved that violin !!!   it was a great replacement.

the talking in between songs was great too.  i forgot about the "i'm
waiting for a guitar..." part.

oh sweet memories...
- jen hall
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from "teresa c. esguerra" <sac83826@saclink1.csus.edu>, on 5/7/96 2:27 pm:
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speaking of "sheeeeeeeilaaaaaa !!!!!",

        did anyone elso get a might kick out of her violin interpretation
of "galileo"?  she was plucking away at her strings in place of jerry
marotta's tone boxes... i was amazed...

        the other minute detail hangin' around in my mind...amy's got her
guitar strapped around her and emily's just standing there guitar-less...

        amy:  "are you gonna play????"
        emily:  (ever soooo sweetly) "i'm waiting for a guitar..."

i can't wipe this stupid smile off my face...
teri

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subject:      re: shelia doyle, some igc

heya all.. just wanna apologize about the misnomer on shelia doyle.. for
some crazy reason i've been thinking that she's the lead guitarist of dew..
oh well.. she rocks any way and whatever she plays in whatever band..

and ann wood of dew (after being corrected so many times) is great... w/ her
long hair flyin' about as it does.. but mainly her playin'..  both bands
should be checke d out and enjoyed-- big fish ensamble and dew..

*smile*
brooke

"if you're afraid of the dark.. remember the night rainbow.."

"if you have butterflies in your stomach.. ask them into your heart.."
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subject:      in response to ron's message

hi again-

i've been on e-mail for a couple hours now, and more messages keep coming
in.  you guys are the best.

ron wanted to know if it was a hit-and-run type deal or what.  i can't
say a whole lot about the accident because the people in the pickup are
trying to twist the story around, saying jenny was asleep, etc. (complete
bs - and we have proof), but they do know about it.  it's going to be a
nasty insurance thing, and jenny is in no way at fault, but the people in
the pickup are trying to say she was, and their story is very weak.  they
are just making things worse, and that's the last thing she needs right
now.  she needs to focus on keeping a positive attitude towards regaining
use of her arm, not this kind of stuff.  it's a real mess.

i'm sorry i can't say more, but i was advised to give out very few
details of the accident until the insurance people take care of everything.

wishing i was in baton rouge,
dana

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subject:      re: helping jenny and dana

i just sent out the "happy birthday" e-mails for amy and included the
original e-mail that we all got this morning.  i put a post-it note on the
e-mail requesting that she specifically look at that e-mail.

i'm sure a&e will get the message with the barrage of e-mails and snail
mails they'll get concerning jenny.

ex moo-er,
- jen hall
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hi all,

sorry if this is a repeat - i sent a message earlier but as far as i
can tell, it never showed up.

after i read dana's message, i printed it out and mailed it to amy
& emily c/o russell carter mngt because i don't think i could have
explained it any better.  i don't know if they'll actually get to
read it but i'm hoping they will. maybe some of you can do the same
thing - that way there'll be a better chance of it reaching them.
and anyone who has any kind of connection - please do whatever you
can to let them know what happened.

it's just so sad that what was supposed to be such a great weekend
for dana and jenny and their friends turned out like this.  i wish
there was more i could do.

--sarah

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subject:      nigc - sort of - eric's butt

> :)claire (a charter member of the "eric's butt" fan club)

i've been reading so much about eric's butt, could someone put a
picture on a website somewhere and share the view with the rest of
us?  unless that would be against fed regs, that is... :)

anna

"the one who is making a path without instruments hardly notices when the
path behind is getting crooked unless a friend tells him."
                                  -asante proverb in paraphrased form

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subject:      one more thing, please

hi all-

i had all my cd's in the front of the 4runner, and we had to leave them
in there when we went to get our stuff out of the truck because they were
covered in blood and the cases were broken, not to mention there was
still a lot of broken glass in the front seat.  anyway, my point is that
i don't have any of russell carter's info, so i would be very grateful if
someone could e-mail me or post the address and phone number.

i could never thank you all enough-
dana

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hey ya'll

let's send cards to a fellow ig fan.....dana, hang in there, and you tell jenny
that in no time at all she'll be getting out of bed with a hammer and a nail!

smile ;-)

karrie

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subject:      why amy wears what she wears

actually -

they both do it, but amy is definately more noticeable --

they just don't pack alot of clothes ... em gets more of a selection, because
amy tends to wear long sleeve shirts over t-shirts -- so therefore there's
less room in her suitcase for different outfits :)

but emily did pack a couple of hats last tour too ... i recall her wearing
one every show during the month of june !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

jealous of those returning from n.o., but i do know of one person with an
excellent boot of the may 2nd show -- but i won't have a copy until late may
-- anyone else ????

peace

chris

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subject:      re: nigc- sort of...:-)

yeh

i first liked melissa cos of the raw energy in her voice and music and so it follows that i
adore amy's voice but i also love the poetics of emily.  the perfect
combo.

sue

hey there......
> kim fischer posted
>
> "my sights are set on a new conquest now.....heather of the "i only listen to
> me faith."
>
> kim, go easy on her.....we melissa maniacs are very hard to deal with.
> fortunately for me, i was turned on to ig on the very same day as mle some 8
> years ago, so i hadn't the option of being difficult to convert.  all you have
> to do is play "romeo and juliet" and say "listen to the passion in amy's
> voice and words... the honesty, the truth....isn't it like melissa?"
>
> trust me, if you use the words "honesty", "passion" (especially passion!), and
> "truth" to any mle fan, they are more apt to be converted. ;-)
>
> and, is it me?  (hey, i just got an idea!!!!) or do most mle fans identify
> with amy more than emily?  because in my experiences, it is 99% of the time
> that way.  i know that i do, and i think it is because amy writes and sings
> with such raw intensity, whereas emily sings more in lyric and prose, that
> mle fans identify with amy's stuff more......
>
> comments?
>
> the amy and melissa fan from hell-
>
> karrie, who is staring at rain in erie pa (yup bon, you're right!) and wishing
> i was in sunny louisiana right now.......8-(
>
>
>               "water retention is not new to me...."
>                     -emily saliers
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hi, i am new to the ig chat list! could you help me? do i do anything, how do i chat with people? i am a bit confused! any info. would be helpful! thankyou!
robin chatelle

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in a message dated 96-05-07 15:30:26 edt, inxsive@u.washington.edu (miranda
detore) writes:

>ya!
>
>russell is a butt-head!  neener neener nee-ner!
>
>he totally blew us off, and i like totally yelled his name politely!
>
>

's all right. . . he cain't sing, neither.  heheheheheh.

danna

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man!! i can't believe i missed seeing eric's butt!!!!  i *knew* i shoulda
stayed at la quinta!!!!!

;)
rick

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why rick! (in my best southern belle faux moo tone) i do believe i am
su'prised at your comment.<g> (and why the hell did i too miss out on the
buttfest ala eric?)

>man!! i can't believe i missed seeing eric's butt!!!!  i *knew* i shoulda
>stayed at la quinta!!!!!
>
>;)
>rick

and amy and emily.  it was such fun to watch them take shots at each other
during the shows. (i.e. tease)  the "where's my band?" line was great by
amy.  the "i'm waiting on a guitar." line (delivered very dryly by emily),
was also well done.  so was emily's, "i don't know amy, what _have_ we been
doing..?" after which they decided they'd been planting tomatoes.  and of
course their messing with joan baez's son was just "f-ing beautiful" along
with emily introducing she and amy as the "whippersnappers" when they got
ready to do their songs with joan baez.
great, wondrous, moments such as those are but few in a lifetime.  yes, i'm
going to newport.  poorer, but happy.
waiting on kerrville folk festival now...,

karen

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subject:      observations from new orleans

if your sick of hearing about the new orleans trip, feel free to delete now.

one guys view of new orleans:

btw: if you ever get a chance to see a new orleans wedding, you should go,
they are really kewl.

the jazz fest thursday show was nice because amy and emily hadn't played in
eight months and it was really great to see them. but the sound system was
set up poorly which made the sound not all that great.  also it was a long day
in the hot song in a big crowd which was tiring, and there where some drunks
there that didn't even know who ig was so they basicly just sat around and
made noise.  i really enjoyed seeing the girls but the venue was not great.

although, just seeing the greasy "photographer" guy, who stole kristina's spot
at the rail, escorted from the premises did my heart good. this guy was a story
in himself, but i'll leave that to joe, miranda, and kristina.

michelle shocked, who came on an act before ig was very good though.  i think
it was because she came on earlier, before people were too tired or too drunk
to listen.  she also just had herself and another guy playing guitars, which
cuts way down on the number of ways the sound guy can screw you.

the saturday concert was unreal.  the sound was absolutely perfect, and you
could hear above all the fan screams noise and really understand what was
going one with the music without being blown out of the auditorium. not only
did the indigo girls sound great, but so did joan osborne and joan baez.
the new songs where all good and some of them where great.  i couldn't tell
that much about them at jazz fest because of the setting, but man, did they
sound great in the auditorium.  also, ig did a version of nashville that just
blew me away.  i was watching through teri's binoculars at the time.  i was
looking at amy and i began to realize just how beautiful she really is.
sometimes its hard for me to separate the beauty of the person from the beauty
of their music.  and, if your talking about real beauty, i don't thing your
supposed to. they are an extension of each other.

i really enjoyed meeting the other people from the list.  it was like meeting
family.  it was interesting to watch the dynamics of the group, and how this
set of of people with little or no formal organization was still able to get
things to workout.  for the most part things went very smoothly, except
for the fact that we lost one of the members somewhere in the vicinity of the
hard rock cafe at one point. oops. (sorry jenny)

if you ever get a chance to meet with other list members, you should do it.
it's like meeting old friends for the first time.  and even the people you
know are far more dynamic and interesting in person.

anyway this is more of a internalized view of the jazz fest, as opposed to
reviewing the facts.

i hope you enjoyed it,

trant.

p.s.    all of which leads to just one question.  what in the hell am i doing
        up at 12:35 in the old am?

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hi-

ok, i just had to comment on this message because hammer and a nail is
one of jenny's favorite songs.  see, all of us met when we were new
student weekend counselors here at the u.  less than half of the people
who apply are accepted, and then about 130 are put into groups of around
18 with 2 student co-chairs who lead the training, and then we all plan a
weekend retreat for incoming students to the u.  it's a lot of work, and
all volunteer, and more fun than i can ever explain because you really
get to know the other counselors in your group from the inside out.
anyway, my point is that we put a tape together, and each person had to
put a song on there that best described them, or meant a lot to them, and
for many, many reasons, i put closer to fine.  that's what got jenny
started on ig.  jenny's song this year was hammer and a nail.

thanks kerrie,
dana

on tue, 7 may 1996 k645501b@edinboro.edu wrote:

> hey ya'll
>
> let's send cards to a fellow ig fan.....dana, hang in there, and you tell jenny
> that in no time at all she'll be getting out of bed with a hammer and a nail!
>
> smile ;-)
>
> karrie
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hi-

i am so sorry karrie, but i spelled your name wrong on that last message
and just caught it now.

again, thank you,
dana

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hi y'all,

seems us recent posters got a little offering emailed directly to us from
some "company" monitoring this list...  how they'd sell us tape bootlegs
of various ig concerts for $x.xx, that kinda thing.  now, i may be asking
to get net-blowtorched here, but i thought _selling_ bootlegs has been
deemed a big ol' faux pas...  i'm not talking about italian-import
off-the-sound-board cds here, i'm talking about "hey, i snuck a tape
recorder into the red light cafe three months ago when they played their
new stuff and i'll sell ya a copy for $x.xx."  that kinda thing.

so y'all--i bet one of the many friendly people on this list would be
willing to tape off for free just about any bootleg one could these people
want to sell, huh?  because hey, we're all here to share and stuff!  =)

and now, back to our regularly scheduled discussion of no quotes, how to
help jenny, and hey by the way, could someone please fill us in on this
whole "eric's butt" thing? ;)

scot

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hi.  my friend gretchen and i are new to this whole thing.  but i have been
reading all about jenny and dana, and i hope everything is okay.  we were
wondering if anyone would be willing to help us out getting bootlegs of any
indigo girls, anything at all. so write me.  thanks.  sundara

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hi again y'all,

i just realized that if i'm going to whine about people selling bootlegs i
better put my $$ where my mouth is so to speak and do my share of copying
them free for people.  oh, me and my big mouth... =)

so, if you need early unreleased ig stuff, i.e. blue food (1985), color me
grey (amy solo, 1982-ish), or tuesday's children (covers plus two
originals, 1982) email me, i'll tell you where to send me a blank tape and
return envelope, i'll copy it and send it back...  i've got a few papers
to write so i'll have to limit it to the first 12 requests, okay?  and you
have to promise to never sell it, but dub it free for needy others.  k?

and please, might i have some very very kind tape tree volunteers for
a unique bootleg that just... um... sort of popped up (grin)?  you'd be my
(well, really, you might be a lot of peoples') bestest friends forever
and ever and ever, i really want _everyone_ to have this but i don't have
time to make 8 bajillion copies... anyone?  puhleeze?  (scot looks up at
other list folks with big ol' bambi eyes...)

i've posted too much lately.  back to lurking.  take care and peace love
understanding peace love understanding butter biscuit peace love...

scot

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subject:      hi again

man, i swear, i've posted about 5 or 6 times as many messages in the last
24 hours than i have in the last year.  i've talked to a bunch of you
personally, and i just want to say thanks again.  to everyone who was
concerned about how i'm doing, to everyone praying for jenny, to all
those helping me to contact a&e, and to all those sending her their
love and wishes for a speedy recovery.  i just wish you all could get a
chance to meet her. i'd do anything for jenny,and know she would do the
same for me, which is just another reason why i want to do this for her.
it's hard on all of us being on the other side of the country from
her, and your compassion means more than i could ever express.

ok, but i need another favor, please.  i've e-mailed some people
privately about this, but if anyone out there has the phone number and/or
fax number of russell carter, i would greatly appreciate it.  thank you.

sleeping is still hard, but i should probably go try and give it a shot.

as jenny said, "you guys rock",
dana

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subject:      re: conversions

i belong to the "i want to keep ig to myself" club ... their music is just so
personal to me that 1) i want to keep it private and 2) it's too overwhelming
to try and explain it to others. however, i do make an effort with my family
so they will understand. i have won one diehard fan (my younger sister) and
two passive fans (my cousin and my mom). my mom is particularly passive;
however, she has improved a lot. when i first became a fan 6 years ago, she
described their music as "caterwauling." (with an accompanying <shudder>)
now, she can actually sit through "watershed." during one viewing, she turned
to me and said, "wow, they can really harmonize, can't they? it's amazing."
she can even recognize who's singing when she goes into my room and the
stereo is on full blast -- even their cover songs like "tangled up in blue."
my cousin is a closet diehard; he rents latul on the sly and has, i believe,
secretly purchased several of their major releases. my sister -- well, she
has joined me in preaching the word to her friends and our mom. perhaps even
surpassed me ...

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at 01:35 pm 7/05/96 edt, that drivin'-type lorinda person wrote:

>living vicariously through everyone who went to no...

well heck, if you can't live vicariously, how can you live? *grin*

>methinks i hear a grumble or two from the collective souls of all the emily
>people out there.

yeah, but you're ignoring 'em, right? *duck* :)

>and, in the time honored tradition of me _never_ having only one thing to say,
>i got the jcs video last week.

okay... someone fill me in.  when was this video released?  and you said
i didn't miss anything while i was away!  so should i buy it and then
try and find someone who'll break the copyright laws and copy it to
australian format for me?  (stupid question, i know. :)

oh, and while i'm remembering, i've got a couple more questions -
does anyone know if melissa etheridge is touring the us in the next
couple of months, or was her australian tour the tail end of her
yls tour, not the start?  i wanna see her again....

and, sorry to ask these questions, i know they've all been asked before,
but i've been out of the loop, so humour me :) ... what's the go with
the shows in minnesota (was it minnesota?) in september?  can anyone
give dates or anything more concrete?  if i'm going to stay in the us
'til september just so i can go to the show, i need ot know when it is
and if it's going to happen... *grin*

okay, i should go to bed or do something constructive like that.  take
care all! :)
sherlyn
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"the time i cannot change, so here's to looking back.
i drink a bottle of my pride and i toast to change,
to keep these demons off my back, just keep these demons off my back...
'cos i want to shimmer, i want to shine, i want to radiate.
i want to live, i want to love, i want to try to learn not to hate..."
                                - shawn mullins, "shimmer"

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the whole eric's butt thing is just about a full monn over new orleans.

trant

> and now, back to our regularly scheduled discussion of no quotes, how to
> help jenny, and hey by the way, could someone please fill us in on this
> whole "eric's butt" thing? ;)
>
> scot

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in a message dated 96-05-08 00:55:19 edt, lynn@texas.net (karen robinson)
writes:

>  and of
>course their messing with joan baez's son was just "f-ing beautiful"

i loved it when they both started talking at the same time, just sort of
rambling...*staring* at the guy & they both suddenly stopped and laughed!!!!!
:) really hilarious. :)

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:) i'm happy to say that i just converted my best friend!!! we've been
talking online & off since about september & a couple of weeks ago when i
went to atlanta, i got to meet her (in rainy day records) and she asked which
ig cd she oughta get first. she got rop.... well, i come back from new
orleans & she's like, 'i've got so, 1200 curfews, and the watershed video-
what should i get next????"  :)

oh yeah, and she thinks that emily said.... okay, i won't go into that. ;)

rick
*listening to the kids in the hall soundtrack*

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subject:      flowers for jenny

ever since dana's post yesterday, i really haven't stopped thinking about
jenny, even though we have never met.

in addition to our thoughts and prayers and cards, i thought she could use
some flowers to brighten up her room.  so i went ahead and sent some on
behalf of all her friends on the ig mailing list. she should get them later
today.

normally everyone would throw in a dollar for something like this. but we
can't do that on the net, so maybe you could give that dollar to the next
homeless person you see, and the world would be richer by that many more
random acts of kindness.

peace,

john

p.s. dana, those flowers are for you too, for being such a great friend.

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date:         tue, 7 may 1996 13:33:02 edt
reply-to:     "j. hunter" <juhunter@fdic.gov>
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from:         "j. hunter" <juhunter@fdic.gov>
subject:      free ig boot offered again :)

hi all! thought i would send this to the list again now that y'all are back
and "feeling funny and free" after exams and such :)  also want to let
everyone know that i have a "new" e-mail address (you have to check it
closely) courtesy of the gov'mint :)  funny what one little letter can do!
but my aol address remains the same (somethings not even you-know-who can
change :)  ok, so here is the offer:

hello ig fans!  the following ig bootleg is now being offered to all
listmembers and members of the ig newsgroup:

chapel hill, north carolina 11-13-87

the setlist is:

side a:

cold as ice
make it easier
lifeblood
pushing the needle too far
crazy game
thin line
nashville
left me a fool
no way to treat a friend
blood and fire

side b:

hey jesus
land of canaan
never stop
white house blues
you left it up to me
strange fire
all along the watchtower

to get the free bootleg, go to the post office and get a small padded
envelope and put a blank 90 minute tape in it.  address the envelope to
yourself and put the padded envelope into another larger envelope (doesn't
need to be padded) and address that envelope to the dubber of your choice as
listed below....ask the postmaster to weigh the envelope and whatever the
amount of postage he/she indicates, buy that same amount in stamps and put
them on the smaller padded envelope...seal up the larger envelope after
returning the smaller one to it, drop it in the slot and voila...you have a
new ig boot :)

this bootleg deserves some mention since it is a very clear, wonderful
rendition of the girl's early work.  in the next few months, we will be
offering more free ig bootlegs.  if anyone wants to become a dubber for this
tape tree, contact one of the dubbers listed below.  each dubber has
volunteered to make copies of these ig bootlegs in return for a sase and
blank tape from the listmember/newsgroup member.  the time and care they take
in making this project a success is an expression of their love and
dedication to the music of the indigo girls. several of the dubbers who help
out for these free bootlegs are not able to participate in this offering so
please exercise patience in your expectations for final delivery :), i.e.,
chill....

a word to our fan members outside the us: the post offices abroad now offer
coupons which you can purchase to cover the cost of returning the padded
envelope and tape.  include the coupon in the correct amount for return
postage inside the smaller envelope.

please include a note explaining what bootleg is to be copied.  an e-mail
address would be a definite bonus.  some of these dubbers actually have a
life :)


the dubbers are:

europe/uk and australia - seffy@epic.co.uk
outside continental usa (this means canada, asia/pacific, whatever) - (note
the use of the number 1 next to the @ sign) - hunterj1@aol.com

aquarius\pisces    - astaples@email.unc.edu
taurus\aries       - wuzupspecialk@mail.utexas.edu
capricorn\gemini   - sharney@smith.smith.edu
leo\virgo          - kram21@aol.com
cancer\libra       - zkaa76a@prodigy.com
scorpio\sagitarius - springnr@ucbeh.san.uc.edu


jude :)

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date:         wed, 8 may 1996 15:32:27 +0100
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subject:      to rob sticka ... indicated iii

sorry but i've forgotten rob's email address, it's just to say that i got my
indicated iii this morning.   i haven't listened to it yet b/c i've just got
back from a student demonstration in aber.   thanks a lot though.

mat

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subject:      howdy...migc

hi there...just got back from a great weekend in edinburgh (hi
gail...hope the horse gig was fabbo!).  the server here has been
playing up so i didn't get a lot of mail...guess you all had a
fantastic time in no...how were the girls...in good form, looking and
sounding splendid...hope to hear some stories!
talk to y'all later

love helene

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the coast is rough and rocky"   kate wolf

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hey....i dont know how i got on this thing....and i tried mailing
listserv@netspace.org and it keeps coming back....someone help me get off
of this list....i cant handle all this mass email....a friend must have
done it to me as a joke

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date:         wed, 8 may 1996 12:38:22 -0400
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subject:      mo' new orleans

well, having gotten my presentation (at school) over with
i had a chance to sit down with the may 2 photos
and put them into my album and think about the show.

some has been said about the sound at the first one...
but i really was delighted at what appeared to be
sheer joy of a + e at being onstage and playing again.
(remember at the 2nd show..ar said that she missed
the sound of applause and was thinking of making 'applause
tapes' for her musician friends ? i remember playing (crappily
i might add) for my class and guests, and the applause sorta
coursed through me and lifted me up...i can understand where
she's comin from there)

i'm anxious to get some feed back from folks who have been
to more shows than me (poor west coaster) to tell me if they
looked as happy as i think they did :) (alllll in due time dearie:)
for me...the first show rocked because of the freshness and
enthusiasm of reuniting after 8(?) months. i was in the front
surrounded by die hards so i didn't hear any drunks.
plus it was my first ig show where i could take pictures.
(and was close enough to get good ones:)
(something i do, not because i want to..but because i have to)

the sound at uno was perfect !!!! and i also wanted to point
out that the lighting was sublime !!!! ( which made the photo
betrayal even harder to bear...i'm sorry, but i'm passionate
about this stuff). there these four or five white 'spots' on either
side of the stage that were pointed towards the audience
but angled up...at peak moments in songs they would turn them on
and they would make a stripe affect of light beams traveilng at a
90(ish) degree angle towards the player ( in this case ar) it
took my breath away. kudo's to the lighting director !!!!!!!

the vibes of the uno show were weird....the folks bicthing
about people dancing and sleeping persons and all.....i thought
that it must have been distracting to the performers to have the
guards hassling folks right in front of the stage :(
i understand the need for crowd control in a large venue...but
i saw ig at bumbershoot (seattle) in '91 and there were more
people and they didn't have the strong arm stuff there...
it was shiny and happy ! of course the floor was open...no chairs
so folks could dance on the floor or sit in the seats above.
no camera hassles either :) those folks know how to produce a show !!!

love,
binky

"if we can laugh and sing a little as we fight the good fight of freedom,
it makes it all go easier."
(sojourner truth)

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subject:      i lost my girlfriend to eric's butt

hihi. i'm holding on by a thread. my girlfriend told me she definately absolute
ly postively won't leave me....unless eric asks her to. anyone got a used
buns of steel video they want to sell? :)

new orleans - most of the good n o stuff has been covered...i personally wasn't
so impressed by the ig shows..amy's new songs were a real treat to hear - and
emily's song too :) i definately enjoyed my first thin line...and the rare
dusting off of nashville - but the mix of the bad sound and hot sun and
especially the 'safe' set list made the shows take a back seat to other really
great stuff that happened on the trip - like meeting list ppl and seeing n o

both of the girls looked happy and healthy and excited to share their new songs
and of course ready for a dose of applause (as amy said :) ) it was definately
a shame that the security had to be such hard asses..if i were a general in
the indigo army :) i would have positioned miranda and kristal and company in t
he back of the floor cuz it would have taken about two songs for them to have t
he last half dozen rows charging down the aisle.

joan baez put on a great show..her voice tamed the monster sound system - she
compliments the girls wonderfully in words and song..i really can't say enough
about her as a person and a performer...i've seen her five or so times and ever
y time she has put on a wonderful show and then gone out of her way to spend
times with her fans  afterwards..true to form...she loaded up her bus after
the u n o show and headed down the road..when she saw fans waiting for her..she
ordered the lumbering bus to a halt and came out for pictures and autographs..
.and this is not a rare occurance. (the same road that another van full of perf
ormers had just zipped past on without even a wave) i hope very much that she
agrees to play the folk fest in august.

thanks very much to trant and howdy and grrr eric (who thor will be visiting ve
ry soon) for letting us crash in their room...good people..and our pilot
christine who is definately a fun road trip teammate:) and of course maggie
poulos who took time off tour to visit (though tapeless damnit) and bert for
making another fine indigo home away from home available.

oh yeah...also i should put in a buffer for all the anti - russell carter posts
i talked to him also and he was very cordial..he was with a group of friends
and they were preparing to cross the street.. he stayed to talk while they cros
sed..they went over to the other side and looked  around and then came back acr
oss to get him..and he stayed a few more minutes even then..so perhaps he is
moody or does better in one on one than with a whole group or what..but i just
don't want it to be taken as absolute truth that he is a bad guy cuz i've had
nothing but good encounters with him.  :)

ok..that's enough for now..i'm gonna post more about a collectors discogrpahy
that i'm gonna try and put together..i know we have a recordings one, but i
have decided to try to collect seriously and see what's out there :)
so if you know of any one of a kind things or few of a kind..etc...please
let me know :) and i will post updates when i get them..woo

update #1 :) a european release of reverse one live - more details as i get the
m... and a k's choice cd single with i wanna meet the man
                                     breakfast (live)
                                     my heart
                                     rockin' in the free world
                                       (live) - w/ indigo girls

and while i'm collecting all this cool stuff..well..what the heck am i gonna
do with it all? so the only logical choice is to open the first indigo girls
museum. i have a special room set aside in my house, but i think with any
success..it will grow into my bedroom as well :) and of course..admission is
free!  so come visit damnit.

we are fortuante ones,
joe the curator

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subject:      ig boots!

i am having trouble with some addresses....rob williamson, ben (old
email--verdi@imap2.asu.edu)...........could ya'll email so i can send you
some info.....thank you
kelly
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subject:      northrop shows...

so does anyone have the difinitive answer to the northrop question?  might
i be able to call someone about tickets yet?  anyone?

lisa
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subject:      general ig related questions

when a&e are on their own regular tour, how long do they normally play?
both of the no concerts - they played 11 hours.  me plays about 21 - and
that was perfect.

did the banner we all signed finally get to a&e?

take care,
- jen hall

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subject:      re: safe sets

in a message dated 96-05-08 13:09:39 edt, joe writes:

> but the mix of the bad sound and hot sun and
>especially the 'safe' set list made the shows take a back seat

yeah... i agree with joe about the 'safe" set...i'm allways hoping to
hear them go off into the stratosphere (...check out the planets out
out there...)

but my instinct (and believe me i don't really know) is that they
probably evolve as a long tour progresses and get into each
others grove and mind meld (so to speak). *did that compute ?*
and not having played together for so long they had to feel each
other out and find the old familar places again....which was
very cool to witness !

i will never forget "touch me fall' in trout lake, oregon ('94) though.
(and they didn't have a backup band either ! :)

love,
binky
"i am an american artist, and i have no guilt."
(patti smith)

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date:         wed, 8 may 1996 15:56:21 -0400
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from:         "a. nadyne hagon" <ahagon@st6000.sct.edu>
organization: southern college of technology
subject:      re: general ig related questions
x-to:         jennifer hall <jennifer=hall%ts=syscall2@cs=hou.org>
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> when a&e are on their own regular tour, how long do they normally play?
> both of the no concerts - they played 11 hours.  me plays about 21 - and
> that was perfect.
eleven hours?!  wow.  i knew a+e were good, but wouldn't their fingers
get tired after awhile?  and 21 for me?!  that's unreal! ;)

nadyne.
{i figure you mean 1.1 and 2.1 hrs respectively, but i'm allowed to be
silly. :) }

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              <jennifer=hall%ts=syscall2%cs=hou@bangate.compaq.com>
subject:      re: general ig related questions

whoa !! apparently this list doesn't support ascii characters.

ok...let's try again.  a&e played for 1.5 hours.  me played for 2.5 hours.

sorry for my "over-computer nerdiness" !!
- jen hall
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from "a. nadyne hagon" <ahagon@st6000.sct.edu>, on 5/8/96 3:56 pm:
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> when a&e are on their own regular tour, how long do they normally play?
> both of the no concerts - they played 11 hours.  me plays about 21 - and
> that was perfect.
eleven hours?!  wow.  i knew a+e were good, but wouldn't their fingers
get tired after awhile?  and 21 for me?!  that's unreal! ;)

nadyne.
{i figure you mean 1.1 and 2.1 hrs respectively, but i'm allowed to be
silly. :) }

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you go, girl.

m

on tue, 7 may 1996 mmedido@aol.com wrote:

> someone just pointed something out to me.........
>
> and i didn't want to give out the wrong impression...
> so i want to point out that the jazzfest was open access.
> cameras were allowed...so i was legit there.
>
> the uno show was reputedly open also...except for
> recording and video devices (same post as jazzfest out door shows).
> this was also verified by a call to the venue...at no time
> was any mention made of 'instamatics only' !
> i was allowed in with my camera as was everyone else,
> then we heard they were popping folks with
> slr's and asked three security guards if it was okay to take
> pictures and they said it was fine with no flash. then went ahead
> and popped those who had slr's (i think that i could have
> successfully argued that point, this "rule" was posted nowhere).
>
> as a loyal listener who has spent hundreds of dollars on ig products
> (as well as indie altanta artists) and had traveled half way accross the
> country to see the shows..i was (understandably) hacked off.
> i do not advocate doing anything underhanded...i was speaking
> specifically to this particular situation.
>
> that is all,
>
> claire
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subject:      re: don't give that girl a gun
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won!!!!!

on tue, 7 may 1996, scot ninnemann wrote:

> hi y'all,
>
> so i've been mulling this over, and i can't decide... do you think
> amy's saying in her new song:
>
> "don't give that girl a gun--she's already won,"   or...
> "don't give that girl a gun--she's already one?"
>
> anybody catch more of the lyrics?  and can type 'em all out for us? =)
> definitely gets stuck in your head, especially the harmony on "gun"
> where amy's singing scale degree 3 and emily jumps up to scale degree 7...
> i think it's a vi9 chord, quite a bold choice, really grabs ya!
>
> scot
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subject:      re: flame bait for bootleg profiteers.
x-to:         trant batey <twb@zycor.lgc.com>
in-reply-to:  <9605081422.aa11039@amy>

trant....

you shouldn't be fibbin' like that. but maybe it is best to keep this one
to ourselves!   hee hee!

miranda

on wed, 8 may 1996, trant batey wrote:

> the whole eric's butt thing is just about a full monn over new orleans.
>
> trant
>
> > and now, back to our regularly scheduled discussion of no quotes, how to
> > help jenny, and hey by the way, could someone please fill us in on this
> > whole "eric's butt" thing? ;)
> >
> > scot
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subject:      y'all blow my mind!!!!!!!!!!

hello everybody,

i had about 60 messages just for little ol' me today... that's the first
time that's happened! =)

you all are such amazing people, did you know that?  i've been a little
cynical lately, but wow did you all sure cure that!  there have been
sixteen tape tree volunteers so far!  wow are you guys generous...  that
and the outpouring of support for jenny...  "shine my life like a light,"
alright, you guys rock!

i'm afraid i've reached my __limit__ for dubbing bf/cmg/tc for people...
i'll be copying for 21 people instead of 12 because you're all so cool i
just can't turn you away. (grin)  q: is there anyone else out there with
these tapes that'd be willing to copy for others?  i'll make these 21, but
i think there's still more interest out there... just think... make lots
of people happy... warm fuzzies all over the place...

i'll email y'all personally regarding the tape tree and the early boots...
i'll mail the list very soon about the other bootleg, think you'll all
like it a lot.  sorry, it's not new orleans (awwwwww) but it's almost as
good!  so stay tuned.

y'all made my week, peace peace peace peace and more peace!

scot

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subject:      apology and thanks - nigc

** reply requested when convenient **

hi --

i just subscribed to the list this morning and unfortunately sent it to the
wrong address.  thanks to everyone who sent me email helping me out.
a friend of mine just gave me the address so i didn't know about the
message that is at the bottom of every message regarding subscribing.

sorry to bother anyone with the annoying subscribe message.  i am
looking forward getting involved in the list!

peace

kd

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subject:      thanxs

hey, any of you all from ct?...anyway, thamkyou all for helping me on this adventure to figure out how to use this! :)  thanxs!
robin

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subject:      banner from n.o. trip & attention: bert!

hello all!!  wow, what fun it was to meet all of you in new orleans and
put faces behind all the cyber-communication!  i had the time of my life;
thanx y'all (and of course, thanx amy and emily!). you're a lot of fun,
all of you!

jen hall (hi jen!) asked about the fate of the banner and all its
signatures....because the security guards were so weird about everything
from start to finish (from bringing in the banner, to dancing peacefully
near the stage, to giving the banner to a & e via a stagehand or someone
else....all you n.o. attendees know what i'm talkin' 'bout here), i
figured i'd pop the banner in an envelope and send it to them.  but later
on bert offered to take it directly to russell carter's office, because
he's going there soon (did i get that right, bert?).  so, thanks to bert,
a & e hopefully will get the banner (sans the wooden sticks--"potential
weapons", as the security guards told us, and yeah--you know how violent
indigo girls fans get...yeah, right!).

***attention bert***

bert:  if you don't get the chance to drop off the banner in
person, please pop it in the mail so they do get it at least at the management
office. also, before you give it to them, please take a black permanent
marker and fix the "n" at the end of "folkisgruven"--it got chopped off when
the security guards cut the sticks off and now it looks like an "r" or
some illegible letter.  please make it look more like an "n". thanx!!!!

fondly remembering 5 days of bliss with friends and the ig,

christine   :)

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subject:      you guys really are awesome

hi everyone-

ok, well, i just got off the phone again with jenny.  she's doing really
well.  she said that she's getting really sick of not being able to feel
three of her fingers, and how much it just sucks that she won't be able
to feel them at least for the next year or so.  she was in a lot of pain
last night, and the doctor thinks she broke one of her lower ribs, too.
that's the least of their concerns right now, though.  she goes in for
surgery tomorrow around 11:30 or so, and then it's just a matter of
recuperating enough to make the flight back home.  to tell you the truth,
i'm not really sure if she'll be in the hospital again in wisconsin or
not.  i forgot to ask, but it sounds like she should be back at her house in
menasha until it's time for another surgery.  that was the impression i got.
i'll post the wisconsin hospital address if need be.  oh yeah, and
it's weird taking money from people, and although kristina's post about
money to go for medical expenses is greatly appreciated, it's probably
best to send a card or something wishing her the best, or like someone
said, to give it to some homeless person on the street.

speaking of giving-

i have some special thank you's from both jenny and myself.  thanks to
john for sending the flowers, and to whoever sent the big honkin' plant to
jenny, she absolutely loves it.  when it was delivered this morning, she
called me right away, she was so excited.  i was unfortunately being
tortured at my biochemistry lecture.  thank you to whoever sent jenny
the dozen red roses.  she said they are absolutely beautiful.  just to
show you how cool jenny is, there was a housekeeping lady who came in,
and commented on how pretty the roses were, and how no one has ever sent
her roses before.  jenny said that when she leaves, she could have them.
thank you to the people from california and massachusetts who called
jenny last night.  i guess one of the people on the phone said that she
thought everyone who should have been at the concert was there, but was
sad that it was missing some people yet.  jenny said she just felt a part
of a great big family.  you guys are great.  thanks to tamara who is
going to visit jenny tonight, and bringing stuff for her.  and thanks to
all the people sending her tapes, no pictures, and ig memorabilia.

and finally, a very special thank you to all the people taking the time
to send cards.  it really does mean a lot.  jenny and i used to have
conversations a lot about how it's so cool when people just take the
time.  we would say how everyone can give ten minutes of their time, no
matter what, and you all have just gone above and beyond that.

personally, i would like to say thanks to everyone who's been equally as
concerned for me, sending me messages and even personal phone numbers.  i
really am doing ok, and had my first really big cry about everything last
night.  now that that's out, i really am doing better.  aaron and i were
supposed to have a biochemistry quiz this morning, but studying last
night was impossible, and our prof was really cool about it.  today i was
actually able to recant the story without shaking uncontrollably, and
doing this for jenny is giving me something solid to focus on.  i just
can't believe i could have lost any one of those guys last weekend.
please,let the important people in your life know how you feel.  life
without jenny in the cities is hard enough, and i can't think about what
could have happened.

someone posted about how they felt guilty about having such a good time
in no.  please don't feel that way.  i've been to a few ig concerts, and
have even been able to weasel my way into the front row at one of them.
dancing and singing 10 feet from a&e was by far the best time of my
life.  for an hour, everything was perfect.  life was perfect.  i know a
lot of you know what i'm talking about, and can understand how much i
can't wait to get jenny to a concert, especially now.  please don't feel
guilty.  there really is a reason for everything.

i'm originally from north dakota, and when i moved to minneapolis to go
to school, i was warned about how many awful people there were out in the
world.  it's so amazing to know just how many people out there are so
willing to help a complete stranger who had some bad luck.  there really
are a lot of beautiful people out there, and it just so happens that most
of them are ig fans.  i'm still determined to get ahold of a&e, but that
would just be the frosting on a very large cake right now.  thank you all
for everything you sent and are sending her.  it really is lifting her
spirits.  i wish i could personally send you all thank yous, but the best
i can do is just to let you know that i will always be the first to
return the concern and compassion you all have given all of us to anyone,
stranger or otherwise, who needs it.

not counting the unmarked paths of misdirection-
my compass, faith in love's perfection-

dana

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date:         wed, 8 may 1996 17:11:34 -0500
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subject:      early boots offer

hey y'all,

well, i've been inspired by scot's kidness and i'm still just generally
feeling good towards my fellow humans because of new orleans, so i've
decided to offer to make copies of tuesday's children, purple parrot, or
blue food for anyone who wants them and doesn't yet have them.  because i
have no idea what kind of response i'm going to get, i'm going to set a
limit of the first 15 people who mail me.  if i reach the limit and all goes
well but there are still more of you out there, i'll come back with the
offer in a couple of weeks.  but if more folks out there who have copies and
would be willing to make them for folks who don't would maybe offer, we
could probably take care of everyone who wants to hear these tapes pretty
quickly.  if you're interested in getting copies, email me privately and
i'll give you the info you need.

peace y'all,

cylinda

                "anyone can start a conflict, it's harder yet
                  to disregard it, i'd rather see the world
                 from another angle, we are everyday angels"
                                              -- jewel

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subject:      sorry

sorry about the caps previously...i didn't know that it implied shouting! i won't
let it happen again!
robin

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subject:      nigc--attention: melissa gordon!

sorry to do this to ya'll....but i don't have melissa's e-mail address.

melissa gordon:  please send me your e-mail address; i really want to
drop you a line! it's important! (this is christine, from the n.o. concerts)
my email address is:  chousel@grove.ufl.edu     thanks! sorry to the rest
of you!
        christine  :)

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subject:      nigc a request

hey, i hate to ask this and all but everytime i go away for a day and
come back my mail disc is flooded due to all the posts that come off this
list...look, i am not asking that you not post but hey, folks, if you
could post to a particular person privately to answer questions or pass
on info, please do so...i don't want to have to cancel my list subscription
cause i'd miss you all...
                  sharon

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subject:      have mercy, kind canadians and aussies

hi y'all,

like i said, this tape tree thing is going beautifully, even have a uk
volunteer, thanks andrew!  is there anyone here from canada or australia
that would be willing to dub a few copies for their fellow interested
canadians/australians?  that way, those in your countries won't have to
worry about international reply coupons or any of that when sending off
for a boot, you see. =)

thanks everyone,

scot

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subject:      in with the out crowd-opinions?(nnoc)

well, this is a nnoc message (no new orleans...)...
i came across a copy of 'in with the out crowd' today, does anyone have
an opinion of it?  is the sound quality good?  are the performances
spectacular?...

any comments wold be really really appreciated.

thanks,

rebecca.

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subject:      ngic pooh has great news

i am so excited this is better than my birthday, christmas, and valentines
all wrapped into one.  i am a professional sign language interpreter.  maya
angelou will be coming to boise for a presentation.  guess who gets to
interpret for her??  yes, me, yours truly.  i am so very honored.  i get to
meet with her before the show and talk with her about what she will be
saying.  thanks ya'll for letting me share.

my cup runneth over.......................pooh

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subject:      concerts?

when????????
where????????
how do i get tickets??????????

help would be greatly appreciated!!!!!

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in-reply-to:  <pine.sun.3.93.960508134929.17057a-100000@wisdom.stanford.edu>

hi y'all,

i promise this is my last post today. =)

time to officially say that i'm full to capacity with both bootleg
requests and tape tree volunteers, my cup is running over in just about
any sense you can imagine...  so thanks, volunteers!  i will post info
about what the mystery boot is and email addresses for the tape tree on
monday once the tape tree is more securely in place.  oooh, dontcha hate
suspense? ;)

for those of you still looking for blue food, tuesday's children, or
purple parrot tapes, may i direct you to cylinda parga's generous offer to
dub....  thanks, cylinda!

time to go clean out some of my mailbox's 124 messages...

peace

scot

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subject:      nigc kristen hall
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hey y'all-
i just found out today that i get to go see kristen hall in just over a
week and i am so very excited.  i have been listening to fact and fiction
all afternoon...
going upstairs to listen to out in the country yet another time...
amanda

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subject:      susie needs a little sumpin

hi y'all. first of all, shame on you all (wink wink nudge nudge) for
not correcting my sig line....i had the wrong lyrics in it...duh!
i am a dork. i fixed it though.... :)

does anybody have the 1990 unplugged of michelle shocked and ig videotaped?
i would love to copy it if you do....if its not illegal.....

happy days, friends

susan

"now i know that a refuge never grows
from a chin in a hand and a thoughtful pose...
gotta tend to the earth if you want a rose"
                                -emily saliers

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subject:      re: susie needs a little sumpin

at 08:38 pm 5/8/96 mst, susan wrote:
>does anybody have the 1990 unplugged of michelle shocked and ig videotaped?
>i would love to copy it if you do....if its not illegal.....
>
hey... me too!!!! ( please ???? ) i'm willing to work out a trade of some
sort for this....
thanks y'all, and peace... kim
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subject:      n.o. photos(!), waxing sentimental...

well, the nazi, er i mean security guards at new orleans didn't stop this hunted
slr toting shutterbug!  got my photos back today and they turned out really well.
because i was in the second row and more in view of the gustapo guards, i couldn't
just wait for the perfect facial expressions, etc., but i did get lotsa good photos!
like someone else at the 5/4 concert (i forget who), my camera wanted to take
mostly amy photos...(eg)  anyway, i've got something like 11 photos of amy by
herself (did i mention that i was shooting with a telephoto and couldn't fit
them both in the frame from where they were usually standing?), one photo of
emily alone (sorry...but it's a good one - she's smiling real big:) one photo
of am & em together - am strumming her acoustic and em jamming on an electric
solo, two of amy and joan baez during "don't think twice" and two of amy and joan
during "finlandia."  oh yeah, as far as the amy photos go, i've got shots of her
playing her acoustics, her electric, and the mandolin, as well as a guitar-less
shot of her during crazy game (she's singing with her eyes closed, though...damn!)
ok, enough about the concert photos...now to the all-about n.o. snapshots!  got
photos from the little jam session in the room fri night, the mexican restaurant
(i wonder if the waitress ever recovered)(g), the bowling alley (including a very
good one of eric the bowling god holding up his bowling ball...sorry, i looked
and i couldn't find any showing his butt), jamming during the wee-hours of the
morning, assorted photos of people posing inside and outside the hotel, on
the streets of n.o. on saturday, a really cool looking mule with a crown of flowers
that was pulling a carriage, a carriage that displays either it's name or the name
of the company right on the side of the carriage door: "gay 90's" (we all got a
kick out of that one), yours truly posing next to a mule drinking out of it's
little trough, the beginnings of that nifty wedding parade as it rounded the
corner on decatur street (you had to be there - it was muy cool), our triumphant
"herd" outside of the arena after the show, yours truly and bert the fan tour travel
god displaying one of the really cool "indigo girls rd." street signs i bought
from joe(?) - y'all ought to try to get one of those if you can, and that's about
it!  i'm so happy that my photos were ready today, cause i have the memory/attention
span of a gerbil!  looking through those photos made me kind of relive the whole
experience!
ok, now for the mushy part...   this was the first time i had been to n.o. and
the first time i had ever met people i had come to know from online.  what
an awesome experience.  i don't know which part i enjoyed more, seeing my beloved
amy and emily up close and personal (thanks to two people who never showed up to
redeem their 2nd row tickets)  or meeting and bonding with my fellow ig listies.
i must say, i felt really emotional driving back to nashville, cause like eric,
i am missing my new "family" too!  what an incredible bunch of people.  it was
such a great experience to have fun, sightsee, belt out ig tunes to the top of
our lungs, and see amy and emily with all these awesome people.  that definitely
made the 5/4 concert more enjoyable - cause no matter how good a show is, it's
just not the same to see a show and then go home.  but in n.o., we all went to
the arena together, walked around and talked, played musical seats and eventually
sat next to (or at least within a couple of rows of) each other, and then after
the concert, shared our individual experiences/observations with each other, etc.
last weekend was definitely inspiring and i am going to do what i can go try to
make it to newport in august!  except next time, i think i'm gonna fly...did i
mention that i forgot to go north on i-59 and traveled about 50 miles off course
to biloxi, ms before i realized it?  duh!  so, what should have been an 8 hour
drive turned out to be a 9 hour drive...and i'd only had 2 1/2 hours sleep that
morning!  ah well...youthful stamina is wonderful, isn't it?(ggg)  ok, i'm
rambling now (imagine that, me rambling)(g), so i'll turn over the cyber-airways
to someone else now...  but before i go, i do want to thank bert lefkovic from
the bottom of my indigo heart for making the n.o. trip happen!  you are a
wonderful person with a good heart:)   i hope we do something like this again for
newport or hte in minnesota.

peace and many moos,

joan (aka "gutterball joanie") morrison :p

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date:         wed, 8 may 1996 23:12:28 edt
reply-to:     joan morrison <103161.3515@compuserve.com>
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subject:      trading/buying photos from n.o.

oops, i forgot - after everybody gets their pix back, maybe we can trade/purchase
reprints and stuff like that.  i got some really good close ups of the girls
(ok, ok, mostly the girl_)(g), but i would be interested in getting copies of
some close up shots that any other people might have taken or cute moments onstage
that i missed (cause i was trying to avoid being caught and thus having my
camera confiscated).  i am also interested in getting reprints of people's
snapshots out and about new orleans, and of course, any close up shots of ig
at the may 2 show.  anyone that wants any of my reprints can e-mail me privately.
and i can't wait till a boot of the 5/4 show (and maybe the 5/2 show also?) is
available!!!!!

peace and mucho photos,

joan :)

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subject:      nigc texas/ellen

just watched ellen tonight as part of my weekly ritual, finals or no finals.

ellen had the group "texas," who sings her opening song, featured in the intro.
does anyone have any information about the group?  the lead singer has an
incredible voice and both of the people in the group played acoustic guitar!!

i'm ready to go looking for a cd!

alycia

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. . . people peg me as angry, militant and scary.  and when they
finally see me, standing 5 foot 2, they're like, 'what?  we
thought we'd be scared of you.'  i think that there are a lot of
women who are very sweet and quiet on the outside, but are
really walking around with this bomb inside.
                                               - ani difranco

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date:         thu, 9 may 1996 01:57:23 edt
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subject:      a visit to jenny  :)

hey folks!

i visited jenny tonight and thought you guys might like to hear that she is in
good... no, great, spirits.  wow!  she's a really cool, positive, humorous
person!!  can you believe she thought i was the one with the accent?!  (*grin*)
she was really appreciative for (and in awe of) the flowers, calls and get well
wishes that are coming her way from everyone.  i told her that everyone here was
thinking of her and wishing her a quick recovery.  she's really lucky to have a
friend like dana who cares so much for her.

anyhow, i just thought you all might like to hear how things are going.  i
stayed about an hour, so i *know* she was probably ready to kick me out by the
time i left!!!!!  :)  i may be wrong, but i see her learning to play that guitar
that she mentioned in no time!!

wishing for jenny's speedy recovery,

tamara  :)

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subject:      eric's feet!!!

ya know, i was looking through my n.o. photos again (i suppose i've already looked
at them about 75 times already), and i noticed something that might be of interest
to some of y'all:  although i don't have any photos of eric's butt, i do have a
couple of photos that show his feet (if anyone is into that sort of thing) (ggg)
if ya want copies, you know where to find me!

peace and new pals,

joan :p

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from:         lkj <donna2@unm.edu>
subject:      re: eric's feet!!!
in-reply-to:  <960509065611_103161.3515_ihe38-1@compuserve.com>

on thu, 9 may 1996, joan morrison wrote:

> although i don't have any photos of eric's butt, i do have a
> couple of photos that show his feet (if anyone is into that sort of
thing) (ggg)

i'm kinda a left ear person myself... since we happen to be talking eric
body parts, i mean - anything along those lines, joan?  and by the way,
does eric have a sister with cute ears?

oh, and an early boot preview, emily yelling from the stage, "what a
fuckin' beautiful pair of cheeks!"  (wait for the video boot to know just
where she was gazing at the time.)


peace and beauty to all,
donna


"where's my band?" the question i've wondered all my life.

p.s. and donna finished all her homework, even the especially yucky
*final* kind.  yea!!

(and i'm truly inspired by all the wonderful support and love shown to
jenny and dana)

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subject:      song of the day?

hi everyone ...

do you all want to revive the song of the day thread? we stopped at po2, i
believe ...

anna

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subject:      early boot offer-limit reached

hey y'all,

well, i've reached the limit i set for making copies of the early boots. i'm
sorry to any of you out there who are still looking for them.  but like i
said, if all goes well this time, i'll come back and repeat my offer once i
get this round out to everyone.  and maybe some other folks will do the same :)

peace,

cylinda

                "anyone can start a conflict, it's harder yet
                  to disregard it, i'd rather see the world
                 from another angle, we are everyday angels"
                                              -- jewel

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subject:      i'd love to boot

hey y'all!
i'd love to make boots for everyone... if i had some!
someone please help me!
~~robin


atlmouse@aol.com

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subject:      re: indigo-girls digest - 8 may 1996 - special issue

scot, i'm biting. i couldn;t help with the last carolyn-et-jude tree, so i
will help you out.

i'll dub blood and fire, tuesday's children, blue food, purple parrot, or the
independent releases for anyone who wants up to a total of um 25 tapes. so
let me know...

send sase plus 90 min type ii tape to me or if you want to trade me something
i don't have that would be cool too

*grin*

(like, last weeks shows for a poor stuck-o-the-east-coast-and-poor woman)

love

larissa

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subject:      happy birthday!!! (april 9, 1996)

happy birthday parker!!!

"...i set the stage and the scenery, rehearsing every word..."


hamilton@panther.middlebury.edu
"thin line" gerard mchugh
* :);) *

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subject:      eric's feet?!  tamara's finger??

in a message dated thu, 9 may 1996 02:56:12 edt, joan (hey joan!!) writes:

>i do have a couple of photos that show his feet (if anyone is into that sort of
thing) >(ggg)


teri, oh storyteller of feet fetishes, care to jump in on this one?!?!  :)

one more final to go!  then i shall shift my worries from taking tests to
receiving this semester's grades.  argh....

-tamara-

p.s.  totally weird side note from my life: (but hey, i figure if we can talk
about eric's feet!!....)  i was holding one of those little plastic grocery
store bags last night and it cut the circulation off of one of my fingers... and
it's still tingling!  what's up with that?!  might i have damaged circulation in
that finger??!!!!  i'm hoping, no!  this is totally weird.  any doctor's in the
house?!  (*pathetic grin*)  :)

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subject:      re: eric's feet?!  tamara's finger??

at 10:53 am 5/9/96 edt, tamara wrote:

>p.s.  totally weird side note from my life: (but hey, i figure if we can talk
>about eric's feet!!....)  i was holding one of those little plastic grocery
>store bags last night and it cut the circulation off of one of my
fingers... and
>it's still tingling!  what's up with that?!  might i have damaged
circulation in
>that finger??!!!!  i'm hoping, no!  this is totally weird.  any doctor's in the
>house?!  (*pathetic grin*)  :)

hey tamara... you are probably suffering from the dreaded "shopping-bag
stranglitus... a common disease that is rapidly spreading through urban
america with some reported cases reported as far away as canada and the
uk...  this would really concern me if you were a "one finger wonder" like
me on the key board... geez... the implications... i'd have to learn to type
with a whole other finger... fortunately, i've managed to avoid this illness
by cleverly asking for ( recycled of course ) paper instead of plastic...
protect yourself ( and be careful out there! )
peace + paper ( not plastic ) kim.

<kim fischer>
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subject:      re: flowers for jenny

>normally everyone would throw in a dollar for something like this. but we

great idea!  my dollar is going toward postage to send her an ig boot :)

get well soon, jenny!

jude :)

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subject:      re: eric's feet!!!

well the really cool thing about eric's feet that i noticed at the
fairgrounds was the ring on his little toe.
;) not that i was looking or anything.

is it just me or is the poor guy being *really* quiet about all this??

:)
rick
singing along with jewel!

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subject:      nigc-another jenny update

hi all-

i just wanted to let you all know that jenny called me after her visit
from tamara, and it was so great to hear her talking nonstop again.  she
said that it is so great to look around her room and see a bunch of
stuff, and that even though she's a long way from home and school, she
feels like everyone is right there with her.  you all have definitely
been a part of that, and i am very appreciative.

she's actually in surgery as i'm writing this, so i won't get a chance to
talk to her today since she'll pretty much be out of it for the day.  we
talked a bunch about the skin graft - one nasty sounding process - and
she said that when she does go back to wisconsin, she will be at home,
going to see the doctor and physical therapist everyday, and the only
hospital stays she should have are when she goes back in for surgeries
again.  we also talked a bit more about the crash, and she was saying
that it hasn't really processed for her yet.  she asked me how i was
doing with everything, and when i said how i had totally broken down for
the first time tuesday night, she was all trying to comfort me!  she
really is a great friend.

her spirits are great, and she knows that she has a long painful process
ahead of her, but i swear, i don't care what anyone says, i wouldn't be
surprised at all is she does regain full use of everything someday.  she
is so determined to help herself, to make herself better, that there is
no way that she is going to lose everything.  there's just no way.  her
attitude is just too powerful, and it's that same attitude that always
helped pick me up when things were really rough for me.  i can't wait for
the day when she tells me that she can feel her fingers again, and i know
that someday it will happen.  she believes it, and so do i.

thank you all for helping to lift her spirits.  from cards to flowers to
gifts to visits, it has all meant so much, and it has all really worked,
and hopefully your efforts to help me contact a&e can work as well.  now
if i could only get her that one extra-special card.......

"no way construction of this tricky plan
was built by other than a greater hand
with a love that passes all our understanding
watching closely over the journey"
                                -es
it can't be said any better-
dana

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date:         thu, 9 may 1996 00:13:58 -0500
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subject:      danielle howle (nigc)

hi folks,

danielle howle will be playing at the electric lounge in austin, texas on
monday 20th of may. danielle was the lead singer with the daemon records
band lay quiet awhile... her solo album is available through daemon. so if
you are in the area get your butts down town and give her some support... i
hope to see some of you there... trant?

bye y'all
sharon

"i can't imagine having separate careers. my greatest fear is that it'll end."
                                                  emily saliers
               "my greatest fear is that emily has a fear that it'll end."
                                                     amy ray

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subject:      (total nigc) spiritualist. spiritualism. ect..

this probably is as bad as those get magazine posts but i figure 700+ people
might know a bit about what i am talking about (even if i do not *really* do
not know myself) i had a psychic dream, two years ago to this day, and the
only reason i remember it is because i wrote in it my journal (not the
dream, i remember that) but the date was two years ago today, 5/9/94 and i
am wondering, does this day have *any* significance in *any* religeon (i am
thinking spiritualist/buddist but chatholism might explain it) i had a
*really* incredible dream where my friend who died i think twenty days
eariler visited me in a dream. i know it sound conpletely crazy, but it is
not. i had memories last night of that dream. this was two years to the
exact date of the dream. i qam incredibly stressed out with finals (one tkae
home due today, one due monday) and i have to move to a different dorm
tomorrow so i am quite stressed out (not to mention a bit intoxicated) plus
a couple of assignments due, it seems so very overwhelming, i will be
going to newport (yahoo!!!!!!) and hopefully get tapes of n.o. (i think i am
set 8^))


prayers to dana and jennie!!!!


mike r.

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subject:      new to the list...

hello everyone!

i'm new to the listserve, and quite frankly, a bit overwhelmed (in a good
way!). it would appear that i've signed on just in time to hear all about ig
in new orleans.

i've yet to see them live and i'm hoping that someone may have info of their
next few concerts (dates,locations, etc) especially any on the east coast.

it's wonderful to see so many ig devotees. ( i'm not the only one! finally,
some validation! (my boyfriend thinks i'm obsessed-and he's the one that
turned me onto them ; )

i'm *eagerly* awaiting further mailings (i believe i see a roadtrip in my
future...)

be well!

melissa

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i have been working for a long time to find this server.  i was quite
excited to see so many great ig fans sharing all their thoughts.  i have
been a loyal fan for many years and am still in search of bootlegs.  if
anybody can help me with finding bootlegs i would love it.  please let me
know!

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subject:      no setlist

would someone out there send me a setlist from both the no and uno show.
how was it anyway? thanks,
ben

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subject:      lyrics (don't give the girl)

ok, someone asked for the lyrics to "don't give that girl a gun." i got these
from someone else, so the list is getting them second hand...i guess that
would make them hand me downs. ;) anyway, here is amy's latest gut-wrencher
for your perusal. oh, and someone asked the question, is it "she's already
'won', or 'one'"? the answer is, of course, _both_! i defy someone to show me
a single ig song (particularly amy's) that can't be taken as having at least
two meanings. the question is, will 'one' or 'won' be written on the album
liner notes. but i have no doubt that it's another one of those famous double
meanings
without further delay...(since i'm not sure how to spell "ado")

don't give that girl a gun (by amy ray)

she's got a case against me
a jury of my peers
got the words of the righteous
screaming in her ears
i'm not dignified any more
can't say i didn't call
i say i love you
she don't hear me anymore

and don't give that girl a gun
don't give that girl a gun
she's already won/one
she's already won/one

i made a bad connection
she says i went astray
jumped ship, abandoned my post
i didn't think i'd lost my way
oh how the mighty fall
you know i saw her crack a smile
i don't got a chance at redemption
she don't believe in the miracle mile

chorus

i said now hold me closer
cause something's happening
why can't we come together?
she said "i doubt
i doubt we ever, ever will again"

chorus
------------------------------------------------------------------------
and as an added bonus a la my friend who has some weird excuse for not posting
these herself...

here's emily's.  it's played with just her and a banjo.  a nice sweet
"banjo-y" melody.  somewhat vaguely reminicent of southland in the
springtime with that slight country georgia type feel.

get out the map (by emily saliers)

the saddest sight my eyes can see
that big ball of orange slinking slyly down the trees
sitting in a broken circle
while you rest upon my knee
this perfect moment soon be leaving me
suzanne calls from boston
the coffee's hot the corn is high
the same sun that warms your heart
will suck the good earth dry
with everything it's opposite(?) enough to keep you crying
or keep this old world spinnin'
with a twinkle in it's eye
chorus:
get out the map, get out the map
and lay your finger anywhere down
we'll leave the figuring for those we pass
on the way outta town
don't drink the water
there seems to be something ailing everyone
i'm gonna clear my head
i'm gonna drink that sun
i'm gonna love you good and strong
while our love is good and young

joni(?) left for south africa a few years ago
and then beth took a job all the way on the west coast
and me i'm still half my life on the road
heavier by the year
heavier by the load
so why do we hurtle ourselves through every inch of time and space
and we'll say around some corner i can sense a resting place
and every lesson learned a line upon your beautiful face
and we'll amuse ourselves one day
with the memories we'll trace

(chorus)

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from:         "kjarvis@atlas.lmi.org" <kjarvis@atlas.lmi.org>
subject:      newport folk festival tickets

i don't recall if anyone has posted the actual date newport tickets will =
go on sale so i thought i would.

i called the festival office and found out tickets will go on sale may =
15 at all ticketmaster outlets.  the prices are $33/day or $55 for both =
days if ordered before july 1st.  the lineup won't be announced until =
may 14th.  i plan on calling them back on the 14th and will post the =
lineup to the list.  if you'd like to call them yourself, the number is =
(401) 847-3700.  you won't be able to get an actual person until the =
14th, though.

kris

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date:         thu, 9 may 1996 16:07:32 -0400
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hi guys,
i was hoping that all of you wonderful people could help me win an argument
with a potential convert. my wonderful, dear boyfriend has just said to me
that the girls are not as political as dylan, i, of course, begged to
differ. so i've been trying to come up with a list of the girls most
overtly political songs. i can only convince him if they are as acerbic as
"lords of war" (i think that's the right title; the really bitter dylan
song). anyway, i've come up with a few, but your help in compiling a list
would be most appreciated. if i've opened up a bad topic, let me know
(politely, please, i'm stil a little new to the list and learning what's
acceptable or discussion). if you wish, email me privately so as not to
take up bandwidth.
thanks a whole bunch
jenn

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subject:      blurb on ig from jazzfest program

hi y'all!  for those of us who didn't buy one of the $6 jazzfest
programs (the ones with the shiny covers), here is the lil' summary they
had on the ig, in the "i" section of the program (the performers were
listed alphabetically and each one only had a short paragraph
description).

i know this isn't the first time the ig have been described this way, but
i really liked it anyway and thought y'all might be interested, if you
haven't already seen it. this comes to us courtesy of howard barlow
(howdy), who knew i liked it and sent it to me! thanks, howdy!!

christine  :)

---------- forwarded message ----------

indigo girls (folk/rock) - originally from atlanta,
ga, this grammy-winning folk duo has received
widespread acclaim because of their impassioned
songwriting, sensitive acoustic guitar playing and close
harmonies.  combining the gritty alto of amy ray with the
soaring soprano of emily saliers, their songs explore
the themes of unconventional love, the power of faith
and the search for meaning in life.  their most recent
albums are swamp ophelia and 1,200 curfews, a live
cd.  may 2/wwl/ray-ban stage/5:30-7; may 4/kiefer uno
lakefront arena/9

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from:         "rahadyan timoteo (tim) sastrowardoyo" <tisast@nytimes.com>
subject:      re: power of two (was: re: song of the day?)

earlier today,  thu, 9 may 1996 08:26:11 gmt, anna hidalgo
<ahidalgo@fc.emc.com.ph> wrote:

>hi everyone ...
>
>do you all want to revive the song of the day thread? we stopped at po2, i
>believe ...

i"ve let the digests stack up in my ig folder and haven't read much of
them -- too busy at work and dealing with some family stuff.

i'll have to go back through the digests and see if y'all actually
discussed "power of two" and see what i agree/disagree with...

i just want to say that i know that this was released as a single last
year (or was that just in australia?), but i'm surprised it didn't do
better on the charts (i'd never heard it before buying the "watershed"
video, actually) -- it's very accessible and thoughtful, and (forgive
my sentimentalism) a song i would pick as the "first dance" song for my
wedding. i put it in the same place as jackson browne's 1974 song "late
for the sky" and hootie and the blowfish's "earth stopped at dawn"
(from _fairweather johnson_) in how it moved me.

rahadyan

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subject:      indigo-girls in georgia trend ma

date: thursday, 9 may 1996 4:23pm et
to: go-main.indigogi@doasmain.snads
from: williamson.r.m@gomail
subject: indigo-girls in georgia trend magazine
in-reply-to: the letter of thursday, 9 may 1996 4:03pm et

hi everyone,
  did you know that our beloved ig made georgia trend magazine? yep. they are
mentioned in 'hudspeth's atlanta' (sort of a social-new restaurants-new
bars-who's going where-type of column). here it is (reprinted w/o permission
of course)
'jean banchet's quaint riviera restaurant on east paces ferry continues to
attract celebrity diners. cynthia good and joey reiman, the indigo girls and
stu klitenic are among the recent . . .'
  now you know where to eat when you come to atlanta.

robw

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date:         thu, 9 may 1996 16:35:57 -0400
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from:         david jackson <jacksond@uoguelph.ca>
subject:      hi everyone!

hey everybody!

my name is lisa and i am a newcomer to this list.  i absolutely love the
music of amy and emily and am looking forward to discussing it with others
who love it just as much.  they are two talented individuals and i look
forward to discovering new information about the duo.  (among other
things...does this list ever go on tangents?  <grin>)

sincerely,
lisa j. :)

*proud member of the sarah mclachlan mailing list and now --> the ig mailing
list too!*

**************************
*  dave jackson          *
*  jacksond@uoguelph.ca  *
**************************

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subject:      land of canaan

can anyone tell me why land of canaan is on ig and sf?

anna

"the one who is making a path without instruments hardly notices when the
path behind is getting crooked unless a friend tells him."
                                  -asante proverb in paraphrased form

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on wed, 8 may 1996, trant batey wrote:

> blew me away.  i was watching through teri's binoculars at the time.  i was

        beware...trant's a kleptomaniac!!!

> p.s.    all of which leads to just one question.  what in the hell am i doing
>         up at 12:35 in the old am?

        which leads me to my second warning...trant's delusional...

go to sleep man!!!   :)teri

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subject:      re: blurb on ig from jazzfest program

uncoventional love ?????

what the hell is that.....oh never mind.

binky

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subject:      re: danielle howle (nigc)
x-to:         rcxsj@unix.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk

i was just listening to my daemon sampler today and
heard a really good song, so i looked at the liner notes....
and who do you think it was ????
huh??? huh???
danielle howele !!!
spent yesterday groovin to dede vogt, smoke
and michelle malone (new experience).

i am so lucky to live in a world that has so many gifts !!!
uh-oh.....gettin' mooshy (mush, mush)

gotta go !
bink

"..this world falls on me....its beauty just keeps shakin' me..."
(amy ray)

"if we can laugh and sing a little as we fight the good fight of freedom,
it makes it all go easier."
(sojourner truth)

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subject:      re: power of two (was: re: song of the day?)

in a message dated 96-05-09 16:26:39 edt, rahadyan writes:

> just want to say that i know that this was released as a single last
>year (or was that just in australia?), but i'm surprised it didn't do
>better on the charts

i actually read a couple of (gag) billboards (the music biz rag)
when po2 came out.....
(which gave me a big headache)
and when i saw what was being promoted and  on the charts
and what wasn't.....it suddenly occured to me that there is
something very fishy going on in radioland......

love,
binky

*support community radio* (power to the people, right on !)

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date:         thu, 9 may 1996 17:40:35 -0400
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subject:      re: searching for bootlegs
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i'd like some bootlegs, too.  anybody out there selling or have the
necessary info?

mike

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subject:      re: eric's feet?! tamara's finger??
x-to:         "tamara l. mizell" <103660.214@compuserve.com>
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on thu, 9 may 1996, tamara l. mizell wrote:

> teri, oh storyteller of feet fetishes, care to jump in on this one?!?!  :)

        okay...i'll bite...

        tamara would like to shrink into a tiny woman so she can crawl
underneath the arches of large people's feet and do nasty things...
esp. those feet that have been trapped in pantyhoses for long periods of
time so they're sweatin' just right...

        :o) --- don't worry tamara...your secret's safe with me.

the ophelia way is the only way,
teri

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subject:      re: eric's feet?! tamara's finger??
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in-reply-to:  <pine.3.89.9605091435.a2906-0100000@saclink1.csus.edu>

what the hell are you guys talkin' about???!!

:)


on thu, 9 may 1996, teresa c. esguerra wrote:

> on thu, 9 may 1996, tamara l. mizell wrote:
>
> > teri, oh storyteller of feet fetishes, care to jump in on this one?!?!  :)
>
>         okay...i'll bite...
>
>         tamara would like to shrink into a tiny woman so she can crawl
> underneath the arches of large people's feet and do nasty things...
> esp. those feet that have been trapped in pantyhoses for long periods of
> time so they're sweatin' just right...
>
>         :o) --- don't worry tamara...your secret's safe with me.
>
> the ophelia way is the only way,
> teri
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subject:      re: lyrics (don't give the girl)

>and me i'm still half my life on the road
>heavier by the year
>heavier by the load
>so why do we hurtle ourselves through every inch of time and space
>and we'll say around some corner i can sense a resting place
>and every lesson learned a line upon your beautiful face
>and we'll amuse ourselves one day
>with the memories we'll trace

is it just me, or do these lyrics by emily seem a bit "ferronesque"? i read
this part and immediately thought of "catus". not that i mind, i just
wonder if anyone else had similar thoughts.

deb

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subject:      re: eric's feet?!  tamara's finger?

if you guys would have been riding in the van, you would have heard teri's
fabulous stories on life and the cosmos :).... oh, of course, with a little talk
show flavor thrown in there.  so, for you unfortunate ones who missed out...
here goes... teri saw this guy on some show who had a foot fetish and liked to
do unspeakable things with women's toes... you don't want to hear the details,
but it *was* funny, in a *very* sick sort of way, at the time.  but then again,
teri can make almost anything funny.... she's a comedian at heart!  :)
hmmm..... this could start a wacky thread on weirdest/most interesting/most
humorous/most thought provoking, etc. conversations held while in n.o.!  what do
you guys say?!?!  (*running and ducking*)   --- tamara ---

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subject:      no pictures

hi gang!

i got my pictures back today and the lovely folks at wally world lost my
negatives for the jazz fest set.  ah, but that's okay cause they weren't that
great anyhow.  however, they're supposed to be running a tracer to see if they
can find them.  you know i'm waiting for that call!! :)

anyhow, the only good pictures i got were courtesy of carolyn and her fabulous
photographical ability (and front row seats). thanks carolyn!  :)  i am still
asking for names, email and smail addresses for those of you who want to swap
photos of the group and/or the concerts.  i hope there are a lot of you guys
cause some of us either a) didn't bring cameras b) bought disposable cameras
that were supposed to flash, but didn't or c) couldn't get good concert pictures
because of the uno security jerks.  (you tell 'em claire and joan!  :) )  take
your pick!
anyhow, email me with both email and smail addresses and your name (if you
haven't done so already) and we'll do the picture swapping thing!  i'll send
details as soon as i get all of you guys' info!

thanks!

tamara  :)

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subject:      bye y'all

just wanted to write a brief note sayin i'm outta here. i'm going home
for the summer, where my email account is no longer active (such are the
woes of the college student). best of luck to jenny and everyone else!
hope to see you again next fall....

em'ly

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hi everyone!

i'm definitely going to newport.  trouble is, i don't know any fellow
ig lov ers close by.  anyone interested in getting together for the
festival?! :)  i live in michigan.

thanks.

giovanna

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subject:      purple parrot

hi all!

i'll do an introduction later, maybe. right now, i'm rising to meet scot's
call for more boot tapers. my entire collection at the moment consists of
the purple parrot tape, so i hereby offer to make copies for the first 10
folks that hit my mailbox. i will send my snail mail address to those lucky
10 folks this weekend.

the race is on....

carol

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mdindigo@well.com             now i'm living in color and laughing out loud"
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sorry about sending this to the list, but i've been trying to e-mail gail
anthony for days now and my messages keep bouncing back!  gail, if you're out
there, how can i get my e-mails to find their way to your mailbox?  is there
a different address i can try?  thanks!!!  (p.s.  got the alanis pix -
they're fab!!)  :)

-connie
cojehali@aol.com

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hello fellow listers!

ben here.  the ben from no, not the ben verdi who did the evil april fool's
joke. i just wanted to send out a sincere thank you to all you guys whom i
had the time of my life with in new orleans.  you are all wonderful, and i
had an incredible time.  even though i didn't arrive until saturday, i felt
like i was already a part of the group.  many thanks to all of you, and
especially to monique and caryn (did i spell that right?) who not only
hung out with me all day but also got me from b section to the fourth row!
i was right up there with you guys for the ig thanks to those two!

plus, at the concert, i sat right next to amy scott and a.j. hammer from
vh1.  they seemed really cool, and amy scott was there with her girlfriend
who also was nice.  amy and her girl friend really got into the concert,
but a.j. seemed to be somewhat insecure about dancing.  not me though!
i danced with amy scott's girlfriend and sang along and emily looked right
down at me and just smiled a big smile.

it was an incredible experience, and i thank all of you cool people for
making it perfect.  i was amazed at how friendly everybody was and how
easily everybody got along.  if any of you out there who remember me are
reading this, i would love to get your email addresses so we can keep in
touch.  i think we must definitely have a new orleans reunion party at
somepoint, hopefully as soon as my bank account and credit cards recover
from the weekend.  i have many fond memories as well as souvenirs, and i
will always remember from now on to make sure and take a gun with me to
denny's when i eat there at 3 oclock in the morning!
thanks again everybody for a great time!
                                                 -ben


   p.s.  please be careful not to dive into any beach balls.
         those glossy panels can be dangerous when not
         under competent supervision.
         also, be sure not to overinflate and do not use them underwater!

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subject:      re: power of two (was: re: song of the day?)

at 04:20 pm 9/05/96 -0400, tisast@nytimes.com wrote:

>i just want to say that i know that this was released as a single last
>year (or was that just in australia?), but i'm surprised it didn't do
>better on the charts

po2 was released everywhere, wasn't it?  and has bmhawk been released
as a single yet?

and that also reminds me (i kept forgetting to mention this) that
both 1200c and watershed have *finally* been released here in australia.
i don't know if this has been mentioned before, but i thought i'd
chuck it in anyhow (i'm catching up on my post quota *grin*).  both
were released near the end of march, far's i can tell.

1200c has been released in one of those single-cd-case-size double
cd cases (the ones with the hinged flap that you attach one cd to
each side of, you know?), and the cd booklet doesn't have any of
the neat little handwritten song descriptions that the us booklet had.
pretty much an anal-retentive collector's item, as far as i can see.
*grin*  i haven't bought mine yet but when i get an income again i will.

watershed seems to be pretty much the same as the us version (i haven't
bought one of these either yet), except in a plastic box instead of
the cardboard slipcase-y thingy.

how's that for completely trivial and useless information? *grin*

oh, btw, it looks like my us trip is a definite!  yeah!! :)

ploughing through my email as fast as i know how...
sherlyn
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- sherlyn koo - sherlyn@fl.net.au -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
"the time i cannot change, so here's to looking back.
i drink a bottle of my pride and i toast to change,
to keep these demons off my back, just keep these demons off my back...
'cos i want to shimmer, i want to shine, i want to radiate.
i want to live, i want to love, i want to try to learn not to hate..."
                                - shawn mullins, "shimmer"

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date:         fri, 10 may 1996 10:07:20 edt
reply-to:     "j. hunter" <juhunter@fdic.gov>
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from:         "j. hunter" <juhunter@fdic.gov>
subject:      let's hear it for canada (nigc)

canada's house of commons today approved legislation outlawing discrimination
against gay men and lesbians nationwide, the first federal protection for
homosexuals in north america.

the bill, passed by a 153 to 76 vote, was intensely controversial.  twenty-
nine members of prime minister jean chretien's government liberal party voted
against it.

from the washington post, reprinted without premission

jude :)

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date:         fri, 10 may 1996 09:24:01 -0500
reply-to:     karen robinson <lynn@texas.net>
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from:         karen robinson <lynn@texas.net>
subject:      eric

rick wrote:
>well the really cool thing about eric's feet that i noticed at the
>fairgrounds was the ring on his little toe.
>;) not that i was looking or anything.

        wait!  i actually remember the ring.  moi, who couldn't even
remember where i put my airplane ticket. (yes, i had to buy another one to
get home with - but it was found in the hotel lobby bathroom - so now i feel
i am just forced to trade it in for a ticket to newport)  i spent the whole
jazzfest show trying not to step on either eric or rick's toes but i kept
looking at eric's left foot at this little sticker he had on his toe.  i
wondered if he even knew it was there.  eventually i caught on and saw that
it was a ring.  cool.

>is it just me or is the poor guy being *really* quiet about all this??

yeah.  are we even sure its the same eric or was it just a really cool ig
fan who hung out? <g> hmmm.  gotta work, gotta pay for the play.


waiting on kerrville folk festival now...,

karen

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date:         fri, 10 may 1996 10:42:31 est
reply-to:     crecca@admin.njit.edu
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subject:      nigc really---questions about ordering honor the earth stuff.

sorry to bother the list, but since a and e are involved with honor the earth,
i thought that maybe one of my fellow ig fans could help.

i have been trying to order some hte products for a few days and i have been
having difficulty.  this is not a vent, the people at the hte ordering service
were very nice.  the problem seems to be that we have two different sets of
information regarding hte products.

i first called tuesday to place an order (or was it monday) for two t-shirts.
one is the tour shirt with 4 native women--- this didn't seem to be a problem.

the other shirt, however, was.  described on the merchandise form as:
        organic cotton vegtable dyed sage green t-shirt with herringbone collar
        embroidered with leaf crest of kokopelli playing flute to howling wolf
        honor the earth embroidered over figures  $25.00

the women said she had no idea what i was talking about and that someone from
the company would call me in up to 2 days.  no one that i know of called (but
i left my work # and my voice mail tends to be screwy!), so i tried to order
again today.  another woman (still nice) tried to help.  she kept thinking
i was trying to order the so tour shirt that they are selling for 5 bucks!!
i tried to explain that i was ordering a different shirt (i have the so one).
she said she would try and enter it into the computer...

to get to the point i placed an order for $43.50 and am not sure if they even
understood my order.  i really hope its right because the green shirt is a gift.i'm also hoping for a miracle.  they gaurentee ups shipping within 10 days whichis really great!  the thing is, is that this is for a gift and i need it by
thurday may 16 which is only 6 days including sunday :-(.  my gift might be late, though if i got my order in on monday or tuesday i problaby would've been ok
(slight vent---but more my fault)

does anyone have the hte merchandise list and know the shirt i am talking about?
has anyone tried to order it?  what happened?  does anyone have the shirt?


any information... please send to crecca@admin.njit.edu

thanks,
in the spirit of the earth,
cynthia

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date:         fri, 10 may 1996 11:20:18 edt
reply-to:     "christopher m. becker" <cmbecker@space.mit.edu>
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from:         "christopher m. becker" <cmbecker@space.mit.edu>
subject:      re: political songs
x-to:         jedurant@vassar.edu
in-reply-to:  <v02140b02adb7ffb02590@[143.229.175.46]>; from "jennifer durant"
              at may 9, 96 4:07 pm

> hi guys,
> i was hoping that all of you wonderful people could help me win an argument
> with a potential convert. my wonderful, dear boyfriend has just said to me
> that the girls are not as political as dylan, i, of course, begged to
> differ. so i've been trying to come up with a list of the girls most
> overtly political songs. i can only convince him if they are as acerbic as
> "lords of war" (i think that's the right title; the really bitter dylan
> song). anyway, i've come up with a few, but your help in compiling a list
> would be most appreciated. if i've opened up a bad topic, let me know
> (politely, please, i'm stil a little new to the list and learning what's
> acceptable or discussion). if you wish, email me privately so as not to
> take up bandwidth.
> thanks a whole bunch
> jenn

jenn,

  personally i feel the ig do a lot of political music, but with the
exception of "bury my heart at wounded knee" (which they didn't write
anyway), its more of a political undercurrent than a frontal assult.

some examples:

  "hammer and a nail" is not too subtle--stop talking about it, get
off your butt and do something.

  "jonas and ezekiel" is one of many songs dealing with the rights
of iniginous peoples and their spirtuality (which tends to get run over
in american culture).

  "joking" is about sexual roles and identities.

  "strange fire" attacks false spritualists hard.

  "this train (revised)" takes a not so sanitized look at the holocaust.

you get the idea.


somthing you might mention to your boyfriend--a song does not need to
be overt ("war -- ugh! -- wat is it good for? absolutely nothing.  say
it again.") to be an effective political statement.  on the contrary,
overt songs preach to the converted.  those that are already
sympahetic to the message love it, but those whom you are trying to
reach tune it out!

on the other hand, one of the most effective political songs i can think
of is "alice's restauraunt."  arlo guthrie (over 23 minutes) looks at
a very bizzare, yet real day in the life of a "60's long hair".  the
message is really clear, but there is not one "war == bad" or "eve of
destruction" utterance.  you are laughing to hard to notice anything,
but you walk away with the message.

another really effetive protest song is john lennon's "imagine,"
instead of pointing out how bad everything is, he looks at how idellic
everything could be!  it piques the interest and makes one think.
this is where i place the ig.  most of their music is about life
experiences, brought down to a very intimate level.  it makes one stop
and think about how the world is and how it should be.  isn't that
just about the best thing you could ever want to say about a
"political song"?

                           good luck!

                                chris

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date:         fri, 10 may 1996 10:26:06 -0500
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from:         trant batey <twb@zycor.lgc.com>
subject:      stacy from norman, please read

sorry to take up band width, but i need stacy from norman ok., who was in
new orleans this past weekend, to write me back.

thank you,

trant

p.s.    if anyone has heard anything from sal-ray in the past two months,
        please write me.

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date:         fri, 10 may 1996 11:50:36 -0400
reply-to:     "keates, harry" <hak@crai.com>
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from:         "keates, harry" <hak@crai.com>
organization: charles river associates
subject:      nigc  - proclaimers request - nigc

hi all,

i know this is really a long shot, but i had to try it since there are no
proclaimers mailing lists around, and ig is about the closest i could
think of as far as common tastes.  sooo...

does anyone out there have any proclaimers boots??

i would be eternally grateful for a response if you do, i have a pretty
good amount to trade for it.

peace,

  harry a. keates
  email: hak@crai.com

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date:         fri, 10 may 1996 10:33:35 cdt
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              <jennifer=hall%ts=syscall2%cs=hou@bangate.compaq.com>
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subject:      in support of the security guards !!

ok.  flame me if you feel the need.

reading all these complaints about the security guard is kinda making me a
bit mad.  being someone who is close to security officers / police
officers... we need to realize that they are only doing their jobs.  being
in the 5th row - aisle seat,  i was glad when they would tell people ( some
of those that may be fellow listers ) to sit down.  honestly, i was there
to see the show, not to see ya'll dance in front of me blocking my view of
a&e.

i, too, tried taking picture, but none came out due to our not able to use
the flash.  but did anyone understand why we couldn't??  specifically for
those of us so close to the stage.  think of it from a&e's point of view -
- all these flashes of lights coming at them from close range.  it would
blind them.

anyway, everyone has a job to do.  i think the security guard did a fine
job.  they were polite while asking everyone to settle down.  they could
have been a rude bunch of jerks - but they weren't.

so, okay, i made my peace and feel better.

flame away!
- jen hall
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from "tamara l. mizell" <103660.214@compuserve.com>, on 5/9/96 6:43 pm:
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hi gang!

i got my pictures back today and the lovely folks at wally world lost my
negatives for the jazz fest set.  ah, but that's okay cause they weren't
that
great anyhow.  however, they're supposed to be running a tracer to see if
they
can find them.  you know i'm waiting for that call!! :)

anyhow, the only good pictures i got were courtesy of carolyn and her
fabulous
photographical ability (and front row seats). thanks carolyn!  :)  i am
still
asking for names, email and smail addresses for those of you who want to
swap
photos of the group and/or the concerts.  i hope there are a lot of you
guys
cause some of us either a) didn't bring cameras b) bought disposable
cameras
that were supposed to flash, but didn't or c) couldn't get good concert
pictures
because of the uno security jerks.  (you tell 'em claire and joan!  :) )
take
your pick!
anyhow, email me with both email and smail addresses and your name (if you
haven't done so already) and we'll do the picture swapping thing!  i'll
send
details as soon as i get all of you guys' info!

thanks!

tamara  :)

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from:         "christopher m. becker" <cmbecker@space.mit.edu>
subject:      nigc: homor and grad school

hey folks,

   one of my very best friends in the world died yesterday from
complications of breast cancer.  she was one of the secrataries here
and was one of the few things that would keep me and my student
co-workers sane -- one of those weird folks that cared about "people"
and "feelings" more than grants and money.

   she single handedly kept me and a co-worker in grad school when we
wanted to leave...  when this place had just gotten so oppressive she
was a ray of hope.  my co-worker has since graduated and wrote of his
experience, to cheer up brenda and thank her for what she had done for
him.  what follows is that work.  sadly enough its almost word for
word true and its become an anthem for some of the students in this
department.

  posting it to the list is a bit of healing for me, a way to remember
brenda and all the wonderful impacts she had on me and my friends.
its also a minor protest against the way she was treated by "powers
that be".  not to mention, it is rather hysterical....

                thanks for the indulgence,

                         chris

p.s.  i have changed some of the words from the original version
        so its less easily traced should a forward end up in the
        "wrong hands" please leave brenda's and my name off any
        forwards you might make.  thanks.  without further ado...


                  the graduate student masacree
             (start humming alice's restauraunt now)
             ---------------------------------------

this song is called "graduate school education"
it's about graduate school
and an education
but an education is not what i received in graduate school,
        it's just the name of the song
which is why i call the song graduate school education

chorus:
you can't get anything you'd want, with a phd degree
you can't get anything you'd want, with a phd degree
turn right around we'll stab you in the back
steal your work 'n' knock you off the tenure track
so that you can't get anything you'd want, with a phd degree

now it all started 7 thanksgivings ago, it was about 7 years
        ago, on thanksgiving
when i decided to apply to graduate school at the pit
but many of the professors at the pit have tenure, which means that
        they live in plush offices in lofty ivory towers teaching
        a class or two a day and treating their secretaries like
        dogs
and getting to live in their ivory towers like that means that at
        one time they used to have lots of good ideas for research,
        but every time they carry an idea to fruition they have to
        find another idea to work on,
        and seeing as how they have tenure and plenty of time on
        their hands they have decided to forget about all but one
        of their ideas and to milk that one idea for grant money
        for a long time
there are some professors who don't have tenure, though, and
        i decided it would be a friendly gesture for me to
        participate in helping one of them to bring
        some of those ideas to fruition
so i loaded up my brain with unix manuals and numerical methods
        and other implements of destruction and prepared to work
        with professor evan walter on one of his projects
well, i had just managed to get into the interesting part of the
        project when i discovered that there was a big sign
        across professor walter saying "no tenure for you, bub"
i was not very comfortable with taking the risk of leaving the pit
        to go work with him, and with tears in my eyes i decided to
        look around for another professor who had an idea for a
        thesis project

i didn't find one

but after a while i decided to try the tenured faculty, and one
        of the officers of the tenured faculty had a ghost of an idea
        that might eventually lead to a thesis project
i figured that a ghost of an idea was better than no idea, and
        rather than antogonize him by forcing him to come up with
        something substantial i decided to jump right in
and that's what i did, decided to make a thesis project that couldn't
        be beat and didn't stop working for 18 months until i
        got called in to the office of professor ollie
he said "kid . . . i can't make any sense out of the results of
        your research, and i was wondering if you could tell me
        any information about it"
i said "yes, sir, professor ollie, sir, i cannot tell a lie.
        i have found brand new truth that nobody else ever thought of."
after about 45 minutes of talking with ollie in his office we finally
        arrived at the truth of the matter, and professor ollie told
        me that we would have to schedule a thesis committee meeting
so i loaded up my brain with simulation results and physical principles
        and other implements of destruction and prepared to say my
        piece at the thesis committee meeting
now friends, there was only one of two things that the thesis committee
        could have done, and one was to congratulate me for being
        so creative and inventive in working out a thesis project
        all by myself, but that wasn't very likely and i didn't expect
        it, and the other was that they could tell me that what i had
        done was not good enough and that i needed to do a lot more
        work, which was what i expected
but when i got to the thesis committee meeting i discovered that there
        was a third possibility that i hadn't even counted upon, and i was
        immediately told that i was an inadequate student
made to start over
i said "ollie, i don't think i can finish a project if you keep making
        me start over"
he said "shut up kid
        get out of the room while we decide what to do to you."
so that's what i did, got out of the room and waited there until they had
        quote decided what to do to me unquote

i want to tell you a little bit about slumbridge, place-of-sewers where
        this all happened, here
you see in a normal town there will be a few tenured professors, one or
        two law schools and a few dozen lawyers
but when you go to slumbridge, place-of-sewers they've got hundreds of
        tenured professors, about ten law schools and thousands of
        ambulance chasers, being that this is the biggest cesspool of
        the top 50 industrialized nations, and everybody wants to
        suck the blood of somebody else
and they will use up all kinds of legal verbiage that they have
        hanging around the library; they will set up straw-man
        arguments, evidenciary issues, binding by-laws
        ipso facto sub-paragraph b
they will gather together 67 hundred page reviews of relevant
        precedent setting decisions, with sections clearly outlining
        the responsibilities of each party and a page at the top
        of each one explaining how in each case the fault lies entirely
        with the party that does not have enough money to hire legal counsel
they will give you municipal court cases, state court cases, federal
        court cases; they will quote you supreme court decisions,
        superior court decisions and that's not to mention the
        appellate rulings

because he gets into all of that legal kind of bureaucratic stuff,
        ollie wrote me an impersonal letter saying:
        "your going to start over, i want your self-esteem
        and your funding"
i said "ollie, i can understand your wanting my self-esteem so as you
        can feel important by making me suffer, but why
        do you want my funding?"
he said "we don't want you hanging around"
i said "ollie, did you really think i wanted to hang around here
        any longer than i already have?"
ollie said he was making sure, and friends ollie was, because he
        also made me change my office space so that i wouldn't have
        a chance to move in and sleep near my work
then ollie sent a copy of the letter to the graduate officer explaining
        all of the things that i had done wrong, so that i couldn't
        go to the graduate officer, explain how little ollie had
        done to help me complete my thesis, expose ollie for the
        negligent advisor that he was, and make him look bad
yes, friends ollie was making sure, and it was three or four weeks
        later that i went to speak to maggie, and maggie, with a
        few nasty words about ollie and all on the side, said that
        the department would do everything that it could to ensure that
        i would graduate in a timely fashion
so i went back to the lab and when i got there i worked out another
        thesis project that couldn't be beat, and didn't stop working
        for 16 months, when i had another thesis committee
        meeting

i walked in and set up my projector
ollie walked in with 27 eight-by-ten color transparencies with circles
        and arrows and a paragraph on each one explaining how his
        failure to supervise me was my fault and he sat down
all lost walked in, and with him came the other members of the committee
        professors kukla and fran, and they sat down
kukla and fran listened to what i had to say, and said it sounded like
        an interesting project
ollie looked at kukla and fran
then down at the 27 eight-by-ten color transparencies with the
        circles and arrows and a paragraph on each one
then thought about their comments
then looked down at the 27 eight-by-ten color transparencies and
        began to cry, because he could see that it was a typical
        case of professorial misunderstanding, and kukla and fran didn't
        understand that he wanted them to stab me in the back, and he
        wasn't going to get them to agree to make me leave the pit without my
        degree
and i was told that my project would be acceptable, and i was
        sentenced to trying to make professor all lost read drafts
        of my thesis for many months before i could complete the
        it

but that's not what i came to tell you about

i came to talk about finding a job

at the pit they've got this building called career services
it's a place where you walk in and get inspected, dejected,
        infected, injected, neglected and rejected
i went down to fill out an employment application one day; got
        plenty of good teaching done during the semester before
        so that some schools might take a look at my application;
        because i wanted to look like an all-american college teacher, i
        wanted to feel like . . . i wanted to be an all-american grade
        a college teacher
and i walked in, sat down, and i was bounced around, brought down, hung up
        on and all kinds of mean, nasty, ugly things
and i got really frustrated because there weren't any openings for
        people who just want to be good teachers, or for people
        who like to spend time with their families
so finally i went to go see maggie, in her office in
        room 10-595
i got there and i said, "i just want to teach. i mean teach. i mean,
        i want to see my students learning difficult material, and
        improving their lives. i don't want to play politics anymore,
        i just want to teach. i mean teach . . . teach . . ."
and i started jumping up and down yelling "teach . . . teach . . ."
and she started jumping up and down with me, and we were both
        jumping up and down yelling "teach . . . teach . . ."
until a professor walked by and took me by the arm saying "if you want
        to be a real scientist you have to do a postdoc"
i didn't feel too good about that
but i proceeded on with the
        application process getting more inspections, dejections,
        neglections, selections, infections and all kind of
        mean, nasty, ugly things
and i was there for 2 months, 3 months, 4 months, i was there for
        a long time getting all kinds of dejections, neglections,
        and i was . . . i was just having a tough time there
and they was inspecting and rejecting every single part of me,
        and they was leaving no part untouched
so i finally got down to an interview, i finally made it to the last
        obstacle there, and i walked up and the man said
"kid, i only got one question: have you ever been published?"

so i proceeded to tell him the story of professor ollie and the
        project that didn't go anywhere with five-part harmony and
        he stopped me right there and he said
"kid, have you ever won a grant?"

so i told him the story of professor all lost and how he had a difficult
        time even making it onto campus, much less applying for grants,
        with full orchestration and five-part harmony and other
        phenomenae and he stopped me right there and he said:
"kid, i want you to go over there and look for an adjunct position.
        now, kid"

so i went over and started looking for adjunct positions; adjunct positions
        are what they make you do when you may not be a-moral enough
        to join the tenured faculty of an institution after committing
        your special project
and there are all kinds of mean, nasty, ugly people looking for adjunct
        positions; lab technicians . . . technical instructors . . .
        lab instructors . . . lab instructors right there
        in the line next to me
and it was mean and nasty and ugly and horrible, practical science
        kinds of guys
and the meanest nastiest one, the meanest lab instructor of them
        all was making his way over to me, and he was mean and
        nasty and horrible and all kinds of things and he sat down
        next to me and he said "what'd you get, kid?"
i said "i didn't get nothing, i had to pay summer tuition and
        come up with my own project"
and he said "what kind of a degree do you have, kid?"
and i said "a phd"
and they all moved away from me there on the bench, and gave me
        the hairy eyeball, until i said
        "but no publications" and then they all came back, shook
        my hand and we had a fine time sitting around the unemployment
        line talking about lab equipment and pompous professors
and we were talking about science experiments and doing other groovy
        things until a potential employer came over and said:
"kids, this application's got 47 questions, 37 boxes we want to know
        everything about your research, and every other kind of thing
        you've got to say, want to know your supervisor's
        name and every other kind of thing you got to say up to
        and about the project, want to know . . ."
for 45 minutes, and nobody understood why they asked for our address
        thirteen different times, but we
        had fun filling out the papers and playing with the
        pencils in the unemployment line there, and i filled out
        the grad school massacree just like it was, in five-part
        harmony, and everything was fine until i turned the paper
        over
and there, on the other side, in the middle of the other side, away
        from everything else on the other side, in parentheses,
        capital letters, quotated, read the following words:
"kid . . . have you prepared yourself for the responsibilities
        of the academic world?"
i went over to my potential employer and said "you've got a lot
        of damn gall to ask me if i am prepared to go into the
        academic world. i mean, i mean, i mean that i am standing
        here in this line, i mean i'm standing here in the unemployment
        line, because you want to know if i can communicate well
        enough to teach stuff to bored, dis-interested teenagers
        after failing to grovel and backstab to get money for research"
he said "kid, we don't like your kind. i'm going to give your
        resume to the other institutions"
and friends, somewhere in the files of most major institutions,
        enshrined in some little folder, is a letter telling them
        not to hire me
and the only reason i'm singing you this song is that you may know
        someone in a similar situation, or you may be in a similar
        situation, and if your in a situation like that there's only
        one thing you can do
that's walk in to the guidance counselor wherever you are and sing:
        you can't get anything you'd want, with a phd degree
and walk out
you know if one person does it, just one person
        then they'll think he's really sick and they'll start making
        jokes that compare graduate students to disgruntled
        postal workers
and if two people do it, in harmony
        then they'll think they're both members of a militia and
        they'll call in the atf, the fbi, the irs, the ftd and
        all kinds of other acronyms to defend themselves
and if three people do it, can you imagine three people walking
        in, singing a bar of grad school education and walking out?
        if three people do it they may think it's a problem with
        public relations
and if 50 people a day, i say 50 people a day, were to walk in and
        sing a bar of grad school education, why they may think it's
        a movement
and that's what it is: the grad student anti-massacree movement
        and all you've got to do to join, is to sing it the
        next time it comes around on the guitar here
with feeling

you can't get anything you'd want, with a phd degree
you can't get anything you'd want, with a phd degree
turn right around we'll stab you in the back
steal your work 'n' knock you off the tenure track
so that you can't get anything you'd want, with a phd degree

that was horrible
if you want to improve education and stuff you've got to sing loud
        i've been singing this song for 25 minutes, and i can
        sing it for another 25
i'm not proud, or otherwise employed
so we'll sing it again the next time it comes around on the guitar
        here, this time with 5-part harmony and feeling

we're just waiting for it to come around on the guitar, is what
        we're doing

all right now

you can't get anything you'd want, with a phd degree (except a slide-rule)
you can't get anything you'd want, with a phd degree
turn right around we'll stab you in the back
steal your work 'n' knock you off the tenure track
so that you can't get anything you'd want, with a phd degree

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date:         fri, 10 may 1996 09:35:50 -0700
reply-to:     carolyn chow <egg@u.washington.edu>
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from:         carolyn chow <egg@u.washington.edu>
subject:      in support of the security guards !!

i have no intention to flame you, merely to give you my point of view on
the situation.  it has been my understanding that an indigo girls show are
several ways by which you can enjoy their music live.  if you wanted to do
it by passively sitting down, you can just pop a cd into the cd player and
listen away.  when i saw them in seattle in '94, everyone sat during the
first 3 songs and then something was said on the part of either emily or
amy, "y'll can can stand up and dance.  no one says you have sit!"  of
course, this is paraphrased.  i didn't have time to check my boot of that
show.  after this was said, everyone that possible could rushed the front
stage area and amy looked down at all of us and essentially approved.

regardless, being one of those 'dancers' in the front row, we even said
something to a&e about not being allowed to dance and amy came out with
"well, rules are made to be broken."  i even remember a while back hearing
from a good source that a&e dislike playing for dead audiences.  dead is
definitely how i would characterize the entire front section.  there was a
woman in the second row _asleep_!  no joke.

besides, we were lucky enough to have tix in the front section.  what
about all those who wanted to get closer, but then couldn't when they
tried because of security?  at every other ig show i've been to, the crowd
got up, danced, moved closer and everything was fine.  all this behavior
was encouraged by ig.

more on this particular topic later (i've got to write a paper due in an
hour)

now... to your point on photography.  there was at no time an assertion
made by anyone who complained about the security guards not letting us
take flash pictures.  claire was clearly making an argument for slr
cameras with zoom lenses--  the very cameras that can take exposures at
extremely high speeds without a flash.  it would be pointless to take use
a snapshot camera with a flash anyway since the excessive distance from
camera to object would negate the benefits of using the flash.  i
(especially as a performance artist photographer) totally
agree with you about respecting the performer.  however, your argument
is directed toward a point that was never made.  essentially claire was
saying, if they are going to let us take pictures, why will they only let
us take crappy pictures?  common snapshot cameras have wide angle lenses
that make far-away action shots nearly impossible.

in addition, claire had spoken to 3 different security guards who had told
her it would be fine to use her slr.  but as soon as the show started,
they started kicking people out for using them.   i even asked a venue
manager during the joan osborne set.  she stated that it would be fine.
but rules changed when we got inside.

i don't necessarily disagree with your views and i'm not tryoing to flame
you.  but your (counter)arguments do not address the original assertions
made about the tense situation with security at saturday's show.  in a
nutshell, you're kind of getting mad over nothing.  :)

peace,

carolyn

reply to:

date: fri, 10 may 1996 10:33:35 cdt
from: jennifer hall
              <ts=syscall2%cs=hou jennifer=hall@bangate.compaq.com>
to: multiple recipients of list indigo-girls <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
subject: in support of the security guards !!

ok.  flame me if you feel the need.

reading all these complaints about the security guard is kinda making me a
bit mad.  being someone who is close to security officers / police
officers... we need to realize that they are only doing their jobs.  being
in the 5th row - aisle seat,  i was glad when they would tell people ( some
of those that may be fellow listers ) to sit down.  honestly, i was there
to see the show, not to see ya'll dance in front of me blocking my view of
a&e.

i, too, tried taking picture, but none came out due to our not able to use
the flash.  but did anyone understand why we couldn't??  specifically for
those of us so close to the stage.  think of it from a&e's point of view -
- all these flashes of lights coming at them from close range.  it would
blind them.

anyway, everyone has a job to do.  i think the security guard did a fine
job.  they were polite while asking everyone to settle down.  they could
have been a rude bunch of jerks - but they weren't.

so, okay, i made my peace and feel better.

flame away!
- jen hall
-------------
original text
from "tamara l. mizell" <103660.214@compuserve.com>, on 5/9/96 6:43 pm:
to: <indigo-girls@netspace.org>

hi gang!

i got my pictures back today and the lovely folks at wally world lost my
negatives for the jazz fest set.  ah, but that's okay cause they weren't
that
great anyhow.  however, they're supposed to be running a tracer to see if
they
can find them.  you know i'm waiting for that call!! :)

anyhow, the only good pictures i got were courtesy of carolyn and her
fabulous
photographical ability (and front row seats). thanks carolyn!  :)  i am
still
asking for names, email and smail addresses for those of you who want to
swap
photos of the group and/or the concerts.  i hope there are a lot of you
guys
cause some of us either a) didn't bring cameras b) bought disposable
cameras
that were supposed to flash, but didn't or c) couldn't get good concert
pictures
because of the uno security jerks.  (you tell 'em claire and joan!  :) )
take
your pick!
anyhow, email me with both email and smail addresses and your name (if you
haven't done so already) and we'll do the picture swapping thing!  i'll
send
details as soon as i get all of you guys' info!

thanks!

tamara  :)

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from:         trant batey <twb@zycor.lgc.com>
subject:      re: in support of the security guards !!

i agree there are two side to the security issue. even though a&e don't
like fire security to harass the fans, their saftey and possibly their
lives depend on these people.  and, security can't do their job if the
auditorium is out of control.  there were some good police and security
and jazz fest and some bad ones, and it's that way everywhere.

>
> i, too, tried taking picture, but none came out due to our not able to use
> the flash.  but did anyone understand why we couldn't??  specifically for
> those of us so close to the stage.  think of it from a&e's point of view -
> - all these flashes of lights coming at them from close range.  it would
> blind them.
>

some technical notes about cameras. agreed they should not allow flash
cameras at shows.  the problem a jazz fest is that the cameras they
did allow where the ones that require a flash.  a good slr can take pictures
without a flash if you have decent light.  they would work ok at the lake
front arena.  but, they didn't allow slr's, just instamatics. many
instamatics don't even give the user the ability to turn the flash of.
besides if your more than 40 feet from your subject, you might as well
not even take the picture because they'll come out about 1/8'' tall
on the picture.

so what happened was that amy and emily had to put up with a bunch of tacky
little flashes from many from the first four rows, but going all the way
back to high in the upper deck.  many of which didn't have a prayer of
coming out.  while peole who could have discreatly taken nice pictures
were not allowed to.

my guess is that the head of security was told no fixed lens cameras, which
somehow got translated only fixed lens cameras.  either that, or the
professional photographers didn't want the competition of other high quality
photos available.  of course it's always hard to figure out someone else's
reasoning with any accuracy.  but, just allowing instamatics seems a strange
choice.

trant

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date:         fri, 10 may 1996 09:58:17 -0700
reply-to:     ron johnson <ronjohns@microsoft.com>
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from:         ron johnson <ronjohns@microsoft.com>
subject:      re: in support of the security guards !!

put on your asbestos undies!!!!

just kidding. ;-) i think you are making the assumption that the crowd
and performers all agree with you on how to enjoy the indigo girls.

during the first seattle show (2 years ago), i think it was emily who
commented on how we were all so nice and reserved sitting in our little
seats.  they were basically encouraging us to get up and dance.  the
performance greatly improved (imho) when the crowd was more "into it."
thank god the next night there was no screwing around and the dancing
started right off the bat.

i wish there was a way to get consensus from the crowd if it was going
to be a sitting or dancing concert but there isn't.  i will point out
that if i'm at a show where my dancing may interfere with other's
appreciation of the show, i try to go to a less obstructive place to
shake my groove thing.

go ahead and rebut but i think that much of the ig's music is for
dancing and so is my body.  put them together and guess what you get. .
.

peace-
ron

>----------
>from:  jennifer
>hall[smtp:jennifer=hall%ts=syscall2%cs=hou@bangate.compaq.com]
>sent:  friday, may 10, 1996 8:33 am
>to:    multiple recipients of list indigo-girls
>subject:       in support of the security guards !!
>
>ok.  flame me if you feel the need.
>
>reading all these complaints about the security guard is kinda making
>me a
>bit mad.  being someone who is close to security officers / police
>officers... we need to realize that they are only doing their jobs.
>being
>in the 5th row - aisle seat,  i was glad when they would tell people (
>some
>of those that may be fellow listers ) to sit down.  honestly, i was
>there
>to see the show, not to see ya'll dance in front of me blocking my view
>of
>a&e.
>
>i, too, tried taking picture, but none came out due to our not able to
>use
>the flash.  but did anyone understand why we couldn't??  specifically
>for
>those of us so close to the stage.  think of it from a&e's point of
>view -
>- all these flashes of lights coming at them from close range.  it
>would
>blind them.
>
>anyway, everyone has a job to do.  i think the security guard did a
>fine
>job.  they were polite while asking everyone to settle down.  they
>could
>have been a rude bunch of jerks - but they weren't.
>
>so, okay, i made my peace and feel better.
>
>flame away!
> - jen hall
>-------------
>original text
>from "tamara l. mizell" <103660.214@compuserve.com>, on 5/9/96 6:43 pm:
>to: <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
>
>hi gang!
>
>i got my pictures back today and the lovely folks at wally world lost
>my
>negatives for the jazz fest set.  ah, but that's okay cause they
>weren't
>that
>great anyhow.  however, they're supposed to be running a tracer to see
>if
>they
>can find them.  you know i'm waiting for that call!! :)
>
>anyhow, the only good pictures i got were courtesy of carolyn and her
>fabulous
>photographical ability (and front row seats). thanks carolyn!  :)  i am
>still
>asking for names, email and smail addresses for those of you who want
>to
>swap
>photos of the group and/or the concerts.  i hope there are a lot of you
>guys
>cause some of us either a) didn't bring cameras b) bought disposable
>cameras
>that were supposed to flash, but didn't or c) couldn't get good concert
>pictures
>because of the uno security jerks.  (you tell 'em claire and joan!  :)
>)
>take
>your pick!
>anyhow, email me with both email and smail addresses and your name (if
>you
>haven't done so already) and we'll do the picture swapping thing!  i'll
>send
>details as soon as i get all of you guys' info!
>
>thanks!
>
>tamara  :)
>
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date:         fri, 10 may 1996 09:59:27 -0700
reply-to:     miranda detore <inxsive@u.washington.edu>
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from:         miranda detore <inxsive@u.washington.edu>
subject:      re: in support of the security guards !!
x-to:         carolyn chow <egg@u.washington.edu>
in-reply-to:  <pine.osf.3.92a.960510090736.5945c-100000@saul2.u.washington.edu>

no offense jen hall,

but in response to this discussion, we need to keep in mind that this show
occurred on a college campus.  the security 'guards' were most likely
students (football players or fraternity guys is usually the case).  i
used to do security myself and from past experience these types of
"security guards" usually have no idea what they are doing, have no formal
training, cannot be compared with police officers and are just there b/c
they are cheap to hire.

we have the right to be unhappy with the way some of them treated us.
anyway, have a great day!!!

miranda  :)

hi caroylnnnnnnnnn...............

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date:         fri, 10 may 1996 10:08:30 -0700
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from:         karey weisman eals <karey@u.washington.edu>
subject:      re: bye y'all
x-to:         "emily d. mark" <emark@chaph.usc.edu>
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on thu, 9 may 1996, emily d. mark wrote:

> i'm going home
> for the summer, where my email account is no longer active (such are the
> woes of the college student).
i've been thinking they should offer a class for dealing with email
withdrawal symptoms...

karey

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date:         fri, 10 may 1996 13:11:25 -0500
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subject:      later for a while..............

hey ya'll-

i'm going home for a couple weeks and then i'll be back.... i figured i'd
say later because the school is going to purge my account and then i have
to start all over again come the end of the month......so i am signing off
for a few weeks....but i'll be back!  keep up the great chat about ig, and
i'll talk to ya'll soon!

later-

karrie
who is sitting here loving life because i have two, that's right people, two
tori amos concerts to expericence next week.  it'll just be me, my best friend
ken, the newly ig converted anya, and the visiting atlanta bud erik hanging
out with the dream queen!

later ya'll!

love ya!


                  "water retention is not new to me..."
                            -emily saliers

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date:         fri, 10 may 1996 12:48:49 -0500
reply-to:     j a m i e <suthardj@southwestern.edu>
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from:         j a m i e <suthardj@southwestern.edu>
subject:      re: bye y'all
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in-reply-to:  <pine.a32.3.92a.960510100654.140677a-100000@homer08.u.washington.edu>

indigo listers,

okay...as of tonight at 5pm cst i am signing off the list.  i will be
back in august for more indigo discussions.  i gotta figure out how to
avoid internet withdrawal.  "it's only life after all"

thanks for the wonderful convos...

miss y'all,

jamie


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                                is right for me, might not be right
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date:         fri, 10 may 1996 10:36:16 -0700
reply-to:     "amy j. putnam" <pegasus@crl.com>
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from:         "amy j. putnam" <pegasus@crl.com>
subject:      re: in support of the security guards !!
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in-reply-to:  <9605101645.aa17593@amy>

on fri, 10 may 1996, trant batey wrote:
>
> my guess is that the head of security was told no fixed lens cameras, which
> somehow got translated only fixed lens cameras.  either that, or the
> professional photographers didn't want the competition of other high quality
> photos available.  of course it's always hard to figure out someone else's
> reasoning with any accuracy.  but, just allowing instamatics seems a strange
> choice.

correction.  this not something that pro photgraphers, or any photographer
really, has any control over.  the control comes from a combination of
teh venue, the artist/s, the label and the management.  this is the
legal stance:  when you take a picture of an artisdt, you own the
negative.  but, the artist et al, owne the rights to the use of that
image.  this means that you can use the negative, but if the mgmt
team finds something negatvie about the use of that iamge, ie you are
making megabucks on it (one example), you can get into trouble.  this
why a fixed length/point and shoot type camera is more likley to be
allowed....cahnces are, the pics will be of significance only to the
shooter and wont be good enough to use in some "bad" way.  certainky
ther is competition among pro photogs to get their material  out
thre (speaking as semi-pro myself), but overwhelemingly when i am at
a show where ther mayy be a bunch of people shooting, i have found
camaraderie, sharing and so forth.  my expereience is that amy and emily
have no problem with people taking pics of them.  but there is still
the mgmt/label side to it all.


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pegasus@crl.com                /        when you're alone
                              /
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subject:      very important nigc, please read

hello fellow listers...i don't normally send forwards to anyone, let
alone this list, but this is very important, please take it seriously.
we had a speaker at my school two nights ago who was a survivor of the
mengele twin experiments at auschwitz, which makes this information even
more distressing.  please help.  thanks, january
please read!
>>
>>
>> to everyone who is outraged at the construction of a mall at  auschwitz:
>>  let your voice be heard!!!
>>
>> this is an email petition to protest against the building of a shopping
>mall,
>> with stores, a beer tavern and an amusement aracade, only thirty  meters
>way
>> from auschwitz.  public outrage a few weeks ago led to the polish
>president's
>> and prime minister's condemnation of the building project.  however,
>contrary
>> to polish international obligations, authority over the  development has
>> remained with the local administration, the local  administration in turn,
>has
>> not only continued construction, but also  permitted a neo-fascist group
>to
>> hold an anti-semitic rally on the premises.
>>
>>
>> please read the following letter, and mail it off as part of a world-wide
>> email petition. it will take you exactly a minute.
>> if you would like to edit passages or add comments of your own, feel free.
>
>>  revise this letter in any way you feel is appropriate
>> as long as you send off something.
>>
>> following are detailed instruction on how to participate in the petition.
>> apologies to those of you who are email experts and
>> know all of this already. the intention is to make sure that no letter
>will
>> be derailed because someone is still a beginner.
>>
>> this is what you should do:
>> 1. first of all, forward this petition to everyone you know that cares
>about
>> the largest jewish cemetary in the world.
>> 2. there are two ways to make your opinion heard: by email and by fax.
>> 3. if you are faxing, write down the fax numbers below. delete the entire
>> section marked by asterisks. print out a copy,
>>  sign your name, and fax away.
>> 4. if you are emailing, write down the email addresses below.   choose the
>
>> "forward" command, and when asked if you want to edit the message, choose
>> "yes". delete the entire section marked by asterisks. make sure to delete
>> any information (in short
>> parapgraphs preceding the actual content of the email) about those who
>>  forwarded the letter to you.  we want to make these letters look as
>> personal as possible. revise the letter if you like. type your name at the
>
>> end of the letter, and any personal information (title, signature, company
>
>> etc). send it to all the email addresses provided.
>> 5. for americans: please send copies of your correspondence to your
>members
>> of congress, and in particular, to rep.  eliot engel (17th dist-d), 1433
>> longworth building, washinton dc 20515, fax  202-225-5513.
>> note: every member of congress has an email address. you can find it on
>the
>> internet. mail them a copy.
>> 6. for updates on the situation at auschwitz, contact the coalition for
>> jewish concerns-amcha, 3690 netherland avenue, bronx, ny, 10463, fax
>> 781-884-3206, email judy balint (national director) at judyb14868@aol.com
>>
>> here are the addresses:
>> email:    polish foreign ministry / polish government:
>>      mszdpi@sam.nask.com.pl
>>      ajakubow@urm.gov.pl
>>      msdzpi@warman.com.pl
>>
>>       polish embassy in washington:
>>      empol@dgs.dgsys.com
>>       fax (202) 883 -8343, (202) 202-328-6271
>>      remote-printer.poland_embassy@1.7.2.6.8.2.3.2.0.2.1.tpc.int
>>
>>      polish embassy in ottawa:
>>      ambassador tadeusz diem
>>       polamb@hookup.com
>>      fax 613-789-1218
>>
>>      canadian embassy in poland:
>>      wsaw.td@wsa01.x400.gc.ca
>>      fax: 011-48-22-296457
>>
>>      polish consulate in strasbourg, france:
>>      100304.3606@compuserve.com
>>
>>      polish consul general in new york:
>>       mr. sudyrkowski
>>      tel 212-889-2066
>>      fax 212-779-3062, 212-818-9623
>>
>>      polish president kwasnieski,
>>      namiestnikowski palace warsaw
>>      fax 011-48-22-628-4701
>>
>>      prime minister cimosaewicz,
>>      fax 011-48-22-625-2637
>>
>>       polish consulate in chicago:
>>       fax: (312) 642-4102
>>
>>      polish consulate in la:
>>      fax: (310) 442-8526
>>
>>      american consulate in krakow:
>>      fax: 011-48-12-218292
>>
>>      us trade center warsaw
>>      maria andrews
>>       fax: 011-48-22-621-6327
>>
>> note: all information is courtesy of amcha or obtained from the internet,
>and
>> should be up to date.
>>
>> this is the petition letter:
>> ******************************************************************
>> dear sir/madam:
>>
>> i write to strongly protest the construction of a shopping mall, housing a
>
>> beer tavern and an amusement arcade, in the immediate viccinity of the
>> auschwitz death camp.
>>
>> despite assurances by polish government officials that the project would
>be
>> suspended, observers at the site report that the construction is
>continuing.
>> on march 26, a day after the order to halt construction had been issued,
>> jewish groups saw 60 workers still busy at the site. on march 27, agence
>> france presse and eye-witnesses noted that 40 workers were erecting walls
>and
>> plastering a building slated to become a store.
>>  despite the condemnations made by president kwasnieski and prime minister
>
>> cimoszewicz, local authorities clearly have sufficient discretion to
>resume
>> construction.
>>
>> the development of a commercial center only 30 yards away from the site
>where
>> 1 million jews and 600 000 non-jews were murdered is a horrifying
>desecration
>> of their memory. this matter should not be subject to a  "temporary
>suspension"
>> pending on an inquiry; it is a clear violation of  international law that
>> should be halted completely and unconditionally.
>>
>> poland is a signatory to the 1972 un convention on the protection of world
>
>> cultural and national heritage, which designates auschwitz as a historical
>
>> site, and forwards the concept of  an internationally protected one around
> the
>> camp. a 1979 unesco declaration identifies auschwitz as a "historical
>site and
>> a place of human testimony", and created a  500 meter buffer zone  around
>the
>> camp's grounds.
>>
>> i urge the polish government to comply with these international laws,
>overule
>> its local authorities, and halt construction at auschwitz promptly  and
>> permanently. i appeal to all in positions of power to influence those  who
>> would belittle and deface the largest jewish cemetary in the world.
>>
>> sincerely
>>
>> <name>

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date:         fri, 10 may 1996 12:01:55 cdt
reply-to:     jennifer hall
              <jennifer=hall%ts=syscall2%cs=hou@bangate.compaq.com>
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subject:      re: in support of the security guards !!

i'm not really mad...just making negative comments about the guard for
doing their jobs.

first of all, the seats are provided for a certain amount of people in that
area.  although a&e enjoy a busy audience and dancing and getting closer
due to bad seats is all well and good.  one point that you can't argue with
- thus the reason for the guards making people sit or return to their
original seats - - it's a fire hazard.  it's a&e's job to ensure people
have a great time at their concerts.  it's the legal obligation of the
facility owners, guards, etc. to ensure a safe place to enjoy the show.

>> if you wanted to do it by passively sitting down, you can just pop a cd
into the cd player and
>> listen away.

i was just enjoying "seeing" them play.  i don't get to do that every day.
and can't do that with 20 people dancing in front of me.  hell, i'm only 5'
2".  ( and yes..that is standing up...)

the pictures..i overheard a disruption concerning flash pictures. i also
heard the issue about the professional  cameras as well.

- jen hall
-------------
original text
from carolyn chow <egg@u.washington.edu>, on 5/10/96 9:35 am:
to: <indigo-girls@netspace.org>

i have no intention to flame you, merely to give you my point of view on
the situation.  it has been my understanding that an indigo girls show are
several ways by which you can enjoy their music live.  if you wanted to do
it by passively sitting down, you can just pop a cd into the cd player and
listen away.  when i saw them in seattle in '94, everyone sat during the
first 3 songs and then something was said on the part of either emily or
amy, "y'll can can stand up and dance.  no one says you have sit!"  of
course, this is paraphrased.  i didn't have time to check my boot of that
show.  after this was said, everyone that possible could rushed the front
stage area and amy looked down at all of us and essentially approved.

regardless, being one of those 'dancers' in the front row, we even said
something to a&e about not being allowed to dance and amy came out with
"well, rules are made to be broken."  i even remember a while back hearing
from a good source that a&e dislike playing for dead audiences.  dead is
definitely how i would characterize the entire front section.  there was a
woman in the second row _asleep_!  no joke.

besides, we were lucky enough to have tix in the front section.  what
about all those who wanted to get closer, but then couldn't when they
tried because of security?  at every other ig show i've been to, the crowd
got up, danced, moved closer and everything was fine.  all this behavior
was encouraged by ig.

more on this particular topic later (i've got to write a paper due in an
hour)

now... to your point on photography.  there was at no time an assertion
made by anyone who complained about the security guards not letting us
take flash pictures.  claire was clearly making an argument for slr
cameras with zoom lenses--  the very cameras that can take exposures at
extremely high speeds without a flash.  it would be pointless to take use
a snapshot camera with a flash anyway since the excessive distance from
camera to object would negate the benefits of using the flash.  i
(especially as a performance artist photographer) totally
agree with you about respecting the performer.  however, your argument
is directed toward a point that was never made.  essentially claire was
saying, if they are going to let us take pictures, why will they only let
us take crappy pictures?  common snapshot cameras have wide angle lenses
that make far-away action shots nearly impossible.

in addition, claire had spoken to 3 different security guards who had told
her it would be fine to use her slr.  but as soon as the show started,
they started kicking people out for using them.   i even asked a venue
manager during the joan osborne set.  she stated that it would be fine.
but rules changed when we got inside.

i don't necessarily disagree with your views and i'm not tryoing to flame
you.  but your (counter)arguments do not address the original assertions
made about the tense situation with security at saturday's show.  in a
nutshell, you're kind of getting mad over nothing.  :)

peace,

carolyn

reply to:

date: fri, 10 may 1996 10:33:35 cdt
from: jennifer hall
              <ts=syscall2%cs=hou jennifer=hall@bangate.compaq.com>
to: multiple recipients of list indigo-girls <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
subject: in support of the security guards !!

ok.  flame me if you feel the need.

reading all these complaints about the security guard is kinda making me a
bit mad.  being someone who is close to security officers / police
officers... we need to realize that they are only doing their jobs.  being
in the 5th row - aisle seat,  i was glad when they would tell people ( some
of those that may be fellow listers ) to sit down.  honestly, i was there
to see the show, not to see ya'll dance in front of me blocking my view of
a&e.

i, too, tried taking picture, but none came out due to our not able to use
the flash.  but did anyone understand why we couldn't??  specifically for
those of us so close to the stage.  think of it from a&e's point of view -
- all these flashes of lights coming at them from close range.  it would
blind them.

anyway, everyone has a job to do.  i think the security guard did a fine
job.  they were polite while asking everyone to settle down.  they could
have been a rude bunch of jerks - but they weren't.

so, okay, i made my peace and feel better.

flame away!
- jen hall
-------------
original text
from "tamara l. mizell" <103660.214@compuserve.com>, on 5/9/96 6:43 pm:
to: <indigo-girls@netspace.org>

hi gang!

i got my pictures back today and the lovely folks at wally world lost my
negatives for the jazz fest set.  ah, but that's okay cause they weren't
that
great anyhow.  however, they're supposed to be running a tracer to see if
they
can find them.  you know i'm waiting for that call!! :)

anyhow, the only good pictures i got were courtesy of carolyn and her
fabulous
photographical ability (and front row seats). thanks carolyn!  :)  i am
still
asking for names, email and smail addresses for those of you who want to
swap
photos of the group and/or the concerts.  i hope there are a lot of you
guys
cause some of us either a) didn't bring cameras b) bought disposable
cameras
that were supposed to flash, but didn't or c) couldn't get good concert
pictures
because of the uno security jerks.  (you tell 'em claire and joan!  :) )
take
your pick!
anyhow, email me with both email and smail addresses and your name (if you
haven't done so already) and we'll do the picture swapping thing!  i'll
send
details as soon as i get all of you guys' info!

thanks!

tamara  :)

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date:         fri, 10 may 1996 13:12:15 +0600
reply-to:     "orca =)" <nande737@macsrv1.uwsp.edu>
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from:         "orca =)" <nande737@macsrv1.uwsp.edu>
subject:      strange coincidence

hey y'all-

just delurking for two seconds to tell you about something really wierd tha=
t=20
just happened...

i opened  up my digest and was reading the articles and listening to 1200=20
curfews at the same time.  just as i started reading about the auschwitz=20
shopping mall, this train came on....wierd.  what a coincidence....both the=
song=20
and the post made me realize it is often a sad world we live in...

just a thought i decided to share...


peace,
nicole

thinking of a cool quote for my sig file...thinking..thinking...

how about:

"the best thing you've ever done for me is to help me take my life less ser=
iously...its only life after all!"--emily saliers

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date:         fri, 10 may 1996 15:35:03 -0400
reply-to:     ncrobino@aol.com
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from:         ncrobino@aol.com
subject:      rob a's on vacation/t-shirts on hold! read me!

hello all!
well, it has taken a little longer to get the design completed....so i don't
think will start taking orders before i leave for vacation.  i will be
leaving on wed. and i am unsubscribing on tues. until i return in
mid-june....i will be going to san diego and la to visit family and friends.
so, i will try to get the design up so you can all check it out....
stay enthusiastic and we'll pick up where we left off when i return.
take care all!
rob
ps.  just got the ep and more disc!  very nice!  awesome quality of hard to
find stuff...gold disc....wow...i was impressed.  worth the investment.  i
got lucky #13 of the first 25 :)
take care

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date:         fri, 10 may 1996 15:20:26 -0500
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from:         m gordon <hdtx97a@prodigy.com>
subject:      5/4 concert; gabe

welcome home to all nojf people....

a funny thing happened after the concert.  my brother michael & i
were driving to houston on sunday & he asked about the concert.  i
mentioned about the joans and ig.

he said he was kind of regretting having not gone (he had gone to jf
on 5/2 and was trying to crash the radiators at the house of blues on
sat nt) and that he wished that he'd known that joan baez was playing
(yes, i had told him the entire line-up, but he listens to a solid
85% of the things i say; joan baez must've fallen into the 15%).  he
then mentioned that he knows joan's son, who is a percussionist and
has a dog just like my brothers (australian shepherd).  i said, "gabe?
" and he asked me if i knew him and i said no, but that he played
with both joan baez & ig.

needless to say, i spent the next 4.5 hrs hearing on how he wished
he'd gone etc.  plus, i was bummed.  if michael had gone & we'd met
up with gabe....well, who knows, huh?  now that would've been fucking
beautiful!

melissa

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date:         fri, 10 may 1996 15:45:48 -0400
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from:         richard sayre iii <rbsayre@aol.com>
subject:      re: in support of the security guards !!

in a message dated 96-05-10 13:59:18 edt,
jennifer=hall%ts=syscall2%cs=hou@bangate.compaq.com (jennifer hall) writes:

>>> if you wanted to do it by passively sitting down, you can just pop a cd
>into the cd player and
>>> listen away.
>
>i was just enjoying "seeing" them play.  i don't get to do that every day.
>and can't do that with 20 people dancing in front of me.  hell, i'm only 5'
>2".  ( and yes..that is standing up...)
>

i was also sitting down for most of the show- and i was on the floor...like
jen, i was just thrilled to be able to see them play, to hear the songs i
knew so well played live. i didn't mind it when people started dancing or
singing along. i really liked the fact that everyone was having so much
fun.if i looked dead to the people around me, who cares? everyone can enjoy
music in their own way, right? :) i mean, it was still the greatest night of
my life!

rick (i'll clap my hands and stomp my feet, but i ain't dancing) sayre

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date:         fri, 10 may 1996 12:45:40 -0700
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from:         scot ninnemann <scotjohn@leland.stanford.edu>
subject:      i wanna move to atlanta. =)
in-reply-to:  <199605101920.paa17056@mime3.prodigy.com>

hi y'all,

so i'm poking around various atlanta artist websites and stumble across
the eddie's attic page.

kristen hall is playing at 7pm tomorrow.
michelle malone is playing at 7pm fri the 24th.
amy ray is playing solo at 9pm on the 30th.

plus there's all these open mike nights to sign up for and people i've
never heard of to go listen to.  part of me really wants to move to
atlanta and live in eddie's attic right now. =)

peace and happy friday

scot

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date:         fri, 10 may 1996 16:09:20 -0400
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subject:      re: support  the security guards! pill induced musing :)

jen !!!!!!!!

i'd let you in front of me any time !!

perhaps a dancing section could have been provided.
(they did that at "the pier" in seattle during jcs)

the security guards at the may 2 show were the best !!!!!
(they got rid of horrible sweating man :)
and they smiled and took pictures of us (for us:)

i have no desire to be in the pit sticking my camera in the
performers face, i'd feel self conscious..
dint' amy j.p. say someting once about not wanting to take
pictures during "fugitve" ??? i agree !!!!!!
there are times when you take pictures and times you don't,
one just has to listen to the voice inside.....i only want to be in
an inobtrusive spot and wait for the moments that (if i'm lucky)
portray in a visual way what the artist and the music are about
(at that moment in time.).

why ? because i'm a visual artist
and that is what i need to do....like breathing.....and i love music :)
music gives me so much inspiration as a painter !! the songs
live in my brushwork, and i can look at a finished painting
and see and hear those songs. (yes..i 'see' songs)

when i attempt to take pictures of musicians i'm only trying to
give something back...i don't expect folks to understand but it
would be nice if they did.

in american culture today, musicians have taken on an iconic
stature that has a quasi-religious feel to it (it's creepy, if you ask me,
but thats life in the 20th century !).
i don't think that the musicians themselves aspire to this.
i think that they are just like you and me and have something
inside that needs to get out.
and it does so beautifully...don't you think ?

just say no to flash, and be polite :)

love,
claire (5ft 9 1/2 inches in height :)

"in heart i am an american artist, and i have no guilt."
(patti smith)

"oh the power and the glory, just when you're getting a taste
for worship
they start bringing out the hammers
and the boards
and the nails."

(joni mitchell)

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date:         fri, 10 may 1996 16:24:45 edt
reply-to:     lorinda wright <lw01@lehigh.edu>
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from:         lorinda wright <lw01@lehigh.edu>
subject:      nigc st.louis

hey folks,
i just found out that i'll be in st. louis for a job interview on june 6-8.
does anybody out there live in st. louis?? i want to try to get an idea of
what the city is like, and so if anyone has any ideas on what i could do in
the city after my interview, _or_ if anyone wants to *nudge nudge* meet up
with me during that time, that'd be just great. any help would be appreciated!

folkisgruven,
lorindigo

driving...

    i           will            not        be               complacent
lorinda wright           "learn to pretend there's more than love that
lw01@lehigh.edu           matters. -e.s.
lehigh university         "and i drove out of there with no one behind
bethlehem, pa             me. i was feeling funny and free. -a.r.
    i           will            not         be              complacent

so if i am not who you thought i was, well hello it's nice to meet you.
willing to wait. i will survive. i will love every minute of my life. i will
not concede. i will believe. -melissa ferrick

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date:         fri, 10 may 1996 16:35:23 edt
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from:         lorinda wright <lw01@lehigh.edu>
subject:      re: let's hear it for canada (nigc)

this post reminded me of something i wanted to mention a few days ago. i heard
on the news that delaware was in the process of trying to pass a bill that
would _outlaw_ same sex marriages. (presumably meaning that they are currently
legal in delaware.) apparently it was close, but the governor had said he'd
_sign_ the bill if it got to him. they showed some brief footage of a debate
on the subject. some couples making impassioned pleas against the bill, and a
businessman spouting off about how much money companies would save if they
didn't have to give benefits to same-sex spouses. aren't people "funny" in the
selectiveness of their prejudices? and isn't it "amusing" how people can use
money to justify anything?

just thought you'd like to know,
lorindigo
driving...

    i           will            not        be               complacent
lorinda wright           "learn to pretend there's more than love that
lw01@lehigh.edu           matters. -e.s.
lehigh university         "and i drove out of there with no one behind
bethlehem, pa             me. i was feeling funny and free. -a.r.
    i           will            not         be              complacent

so if i am not who you thought i was, well hello it's nice to meet you.
willing to wait. i will survive. i will love every minute of my life. i will
not concede. i will believe. -melissa ferrick

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date:         fri, 10 may 1996 16:44:54 edt
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from:         herbert huels <73771.760@compuserve.com>
subject:      nigc: senior quotes

i'm a junior looking for senior quotes for next year...
now i do want at least   :)  one ig quote, but also some others...
since i noticed that people tend  to put a quote at the end of their message, i
thought id ask ya'll:  any quotes will be great!!!
email me w/ suggestions
thanx!!!
moe

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subject:      5/4 concert

hi everyone,

  is there anyone who saved messages posted about the concert on 5/4?  i was
looking forward to coming home from no and seeing what you guys had to say
about the show, only to find my computer had been messed up:( , so i didn't
get any messages. if  someone did save something, could you forward it or
else email me?


                                                                      thanks,

                                                                         anna

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subject:      delaware; marriages

per lorindigo...

> i heard on the news that delaware was in the process of trying to
pass a bill that would _outlaw_ same sex marriages. (presumably
meaning that they are currently
legal in delaware.)

i'm not certain same sex marriages are legal in delaware.  many
states are passing legislation in anticipation of hawaii allowing
same sex marriages.  since states accept laws fm other states in
these matters, some "enlightened" states are trying to prevent
acknowledging hawaii's intention.

yep, that's what we pay our legislators for.  what an investment.
sometimes i look at politicians and think that darwin had it all
wrong.

melissa

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date:         fri, 10 may 1996 18:09:08 -0400
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in a message dated 96-05-10 16:39:35 edt,dr. lorindigo writes:

>aren't people "funny" in the
>selectiveness of their prejudices? and isn't it "amusing" how people can use
>money to justify anything?


i just read a article in the latest issue of "out" by michelangelo
signorile on the subject of gay marriage....real interesting stuff.
he says that we in the gay community really need to stand up
and fight for this one !!!
those who hate us are rallying around this issue in a big way.
and even if we don't win the first battle, it's of upmost importance
that we fight now !

i don't know about other fellow homo-type queer girls and boy's...
but i was shocked to come face to face to with my own internalized
homophobia around this issue... being embarrassed to think of
having a ceremony...like i don't deserve to..... wow.....that's sad !
out damned spot !
ta !

claire/bink

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date:         fri, 10 may 1996 15:39:14 -0700
reply-to:     "l. andrade" <andrade@anna.az.com>
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subject:      re: 5/4 concert
x-to:         anna bolton <sugarma538@aol.com>
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hi you sweet thangs... i just sent anna 20 email messages i had saved
(people talking about no). if you too would like me to fwd them to you
just drop me a note via private email and i'll send them right out.

kristina
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on fri, 10 may 1996, anna bolton wrote:
>   is there anyone who saved messages posted about the concert on 5/4?  i was
> looking forward to coming home from no and seeing what you guys had to say
> about the show, only to find my computer had been messed up:( , so i didn't
> get any messages. if  someone did save something, could you forward it or
> else email me?

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as a matter of the article iv privilege and immunities clause, one state (de)
is constitutionally required to accept the same sex marriages sanctioned in
hawaii.
if it were to go to the supreme court, as a matter
of constitutional law, it is anyone's guess what would happen.  however, if the
decision were to be decided as a matter of the privileges and immunities clause
the hawaii marriage would be valid over and above individual state laws such
as de.  the supreme court, however decides whatever it wants to decide when
a case comes before it.  the court in _bowers v. hardwick_ held that
georgia's anti - homosexual sodomy laws were not a violation of the right to
privacy established in _roe v. wade_

now, a disclaimer, i have only had one semester of constitutional law, so if
my thoughts are completely incorrect (a good possibility) please feel free
to correct me.

alycia


>i'm not certain same sex marriages are legal in delaware.  many
>states are passing legislation in anticipation of hawaii allowing
>same sex marriages.  since states accept laws fm other states in
>these matters, some "enlightened" states are trying to prevent
>acknowledging hawaii's intention.

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and that we're ever souls in journey
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and there's no past tense for "easy"

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subject:      nigc- wedding bell blues

okay, that was a corny subject line- they can't all be winners!!!!!!!!!!!!

hmmm...i've also been thinking about this topic lately. i mean, it seems to
be all over everything, not just gay publications, but newspapers,
everything!

at first i didn't really see the big deal about it. i mean marriage doesn't
seem (to lil ol me at least) like such an institution anymore. most don't
last....blah blah blah. why do we need a certificate to acknowledge what we
have with our partners... right. but the thing is that it's like being out-
it will show people how many of us gay folks there are out there...
it'll help people realize that we're not some sort of scary group of others,
but the people they already know & love. add to that the benefits that come
with a legal marriage- that i'm really not too informed about, but stuff like
taxes & legal stuff.. :) you know!!!
i for one am all for getting married!  just gotta... you know... find someone
to marry. ;)
ahem. ok. who's next on this soapbox?
:)
rick (i'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints- the sinners
are much more fun!) sayre

ps: hey cylinda! get down here to s. florida & go see jewel with me! ;)

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subject:      utah and gay clubs - nigc
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** reply requested when convenient **

i was just reading melissa's message about delaware trying to pass a bill
outlawing same sex marriages and the general stupidity of legislators so i
felt compelled to share this with the list.

i live in utah and the legislators here recently passed a bill banning any
type of sexual orientation club from high schools.  a few students at one
high school wanted to form a gay-straight alliance and the legislators just
went insane.   now there can be no type of club at any high school unless
it is an academic club.  they also want to make sure that teachers do not
participate in any type of "illegal activity" including homosexual
relationships or talking to students who may be having personal
difficulties due to homosexual feelings.  talk about an "enlightened" state.
no wonder utah has the highest rate of teen suicide in the country.

salt lake city is hosting the olympics in 2002 and the theme is "the
world is welcome here."  the olympic torch is passing through salt
lake today and there is a rally proclaiming that bigotry, intolerance,
injustice, fear and hatred are welcome here.  the utah state legislature,
the governor, and the salt lake school board are sending a terrible
message to the world with their recent actions. in order to obliterate the
gay/lesbian/straight alliances, they are legislating bigotry and
intimidating teachers into submissive silence. it is a very frightening
thing.

i want to move to atlanta, too!

peace.

karen

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subject:      nigc....oklahoma!

hi all,
        i will be trecking to norman, ok in 2 weeks.  i was wondering
if anyone out there is in norman.  i have only one nite to play and have
fun, because i will be there for a conference.  ugha!  please email me
personally if anyone wants to hook-up or just have dinner or whatever.  i
will be meeting 2 of my buds from fayetteville there and would love more
company.  the more the marrier  :)   see y'all laters....peace.

victoria reed
eastern new mexico university
reedv@ziavms.enmu.edu

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what is happening in newport? i am so lost???? anyway, any news on jenni?
y'all are great! thanxs!
robin

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subject:      hey

i am still kinda new at all this! i enjoy reading all your letters but i am
still feeling kindoff lost! just so y'all know, i am an 18 year old college
student from ct, my name is robin...and of course, i live for a&e...anyway i
hope to get to know y'all beter! take care! love ya!
robin chatelle

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subject:      happy birthday!!!  (may 11, 1996)

happy birthday kelly!!!


"...now i see we're in the boat in two by twos only the heart that we have
for a tool we could use and the very close quarters are hard to get used to
love weighs the hull down with its weight..."


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in a message dated 96-05-01 00:47:49 edt, mmedido@aol.com writes:

>
>ya know...... i've often wondered....why does ms ray seem to wear
>the exact same clothes onstage for the duration of a tour ??????
>....is it some kind of baseball-type-good luck-superstition thang....
>or maybe ecomomy of packing the ol' suitcase????
>
>claire

i'm not sure what her reasons are, but i do know that when i saw them play
the last show of a tour (before they took a break for a couple of months) amy
had on a pair of pajama bottoms! the reason i know this is someone yelled
"hey amy, i like your pants (they were a paisley or some other kind of
pattern) and she said "thanks, they're my pajamas...you know last night of a
tour, you just let everything hang out! "

angie in kc

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subject:      stage outfits

i knew you all were wondering ;)

so i will point out...that it did not escape my attention that both
mss. ray and saliers wore different outfits
on may 2 and may 4.

the universe will survive for another day.

whew !

miss binky

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<stuff snipped>
>
> salt lake city is hosting the olympics in 2002 and the theme is "the
> world is welcome here."  the olympic torch is passing through salt
> lake today and there is a rally proclaiming that bigotry, intolerance,
> injustice, fear and hatred are welcome here.  the utah state legislature,
> the governor, and the salt lake school board are sending a terrible
> message to the world with their recent actions. in order to obliterate the
> gay/lesbian/straight alliances, they are legislating bigotry and
> intimidating teachers into submissive silence. it is a very frightening
> thing.
>

you know, that kinda makes me wonder.  see, cobb county {for those of you
outside metro atlanta, it's a touch north of atlanta, and lots upon lots
of folks live there} has rather nasty anti-gay legislation.  {of course
gays are anti-family etc, which is their majour stance.}  well, the
olympics "got back" at them.  there are absolutely *zero* olympic events
in cobb county, although they were originally slated for volleyball and
softball.  the olympic torch will be passing through every county in
georgia *except* cobb county.  i understand that the olympic folks were
rather adamant about that {and for bloody good reason, imho}.

so that makes me kinda curious as to what the olympic folks think about
this turn of events in utah . . .

> i want to move to atlanta, too!
atlanta, yes.  cobb county {ie marietta}?  not necessarily . . . there
are some very uncompromising people there.

nadyne.

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date:         sat, 11 may 1996 12:40:59 -0500
reply-to:     dana m carlson <carl0573@maroon.tc.umn.edu>
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subject:      good & bad jenny news-a bit o'igc

hi all-

well, i talked to jenny again, and the surgery went ok, but yesterday she
was running a very high temperature of 103.8.  they were all worried
about infection, and the doctor came in to change her bandages, so she
got to see the skin they put on - she said it was very big - a huge
patch, and a dark blood red.  they put her on ice packs, and when i
talked to her last night, the fever had come down to 103.5, so at least
its on its way down.  the good news is that they were saying she should
be able to go home a bit earlier than anticipated - probably on monday.
for all of you who sent things to the hospital, though, don't worry - jen
said they would forward everything.  it sounds like they need to keep her
arm in a splint for about another 2-3 weeks, and then they are going to
do the nerve graft before reconstructing the elbow. her spirits are as
good as ever.

i've sent a bunch of letters and faxed russell carter's office, and then
called, but the secretary said he was gone for the week and she would make
sure he reads the faxes when he gets back.  still haven't heard anything
else - someone mentioned e-mailing rdr, so i tried that, and also wrote
daemon records.  i guess, like everything concerning jenny's arm, it's
all a matter of wait-and-see.  here's hoping.

things are starting to get back to normal, but they will never be
the same.  i really miss jenny not being in the cities, and i know aaron
and sheila feel the same way.  we're all dealing, though, and doing ok.

oh yeah, and since i have one hell of a plane ticket to pay off, i want
you all to know that i was hired for another job today - at the
northrop.  it's a student ushering/security position, and my first night
of work is the tori amos concert there.  if i find out anything about ig
playing there, i'll be sure to let you all know.

thanks again to everyone who has sent her cards and stuff, and are hoping
for her quick recovery.  thanks as well to everyone who is still
e-mailing me to make sure i'm ok.  you guys are so great.  my parents are
coming down this weekend, partly for mother's day, and partly to see for
themselves that i really am ok, so i don't know how much time i'll get to
be at the computer until sunday or monday.  i know jenny can access her
account from her house in menasha, so i'll get her the list address and
she can thank you all herself.  if you want to write her a message, her
e-mail address is: have0010@gold.tc.umn.edu

by grace, my sight grows stronger-
dana

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subject:      t-shirts

hi all
it's erika, i'm back but i had signed off for a couple of days and   i was
wondering if there were any new developments with the t-shirts?  was there an
ordering thing already?  hope i didn't miss it!
you can e-mail me privately if you wish...no need to waste good list space!
love
erika

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subject:      two things....limited igc

goooooood morning fellow fanatics,

okay, so like noone responded to my plea for the unplugged video. i have
a strong feeling that someone out there has it....please please please
write to me! :)

also, has anyone seen or heard from skip cockrill? i sent him about 6 tapes a
month ago and haven't heard boo from him, and my email to him keeps
getting sent back. any help would be so welcome....he is at u of soutch
carolina....

bye now. happy saturday...

susan

"now i know that a refuge never grows
from a chin in a hand and a thoughtful pose...
gotta tend to the earth if you want a rose"
                                -emily saliers

smarine@cc.colorado.edu

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date:         sat, 11 may 1996 15:56:04 edt
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subject:      nigc:  all me...

hi everyone...

if those of you who aren't doing anything for the weekend, besides watching the
rain plummet against the windows, could just join me in this collective prayer,
i'd be greatly appreciative... here it goes:

"dear god.... tamara thinks she just failed her history final in a major way.
now i realize that this is a petty prayer, but tamara really needs at least a c
in that class.  i also realize that tamara is partly to blame for
underestimating the evil mind of her professor, which made the final 200% harder
than any other tests given heretofore by including 80 years worth of material,
when it was only supposed to be 20 years (... quite a feat in itself..),  and
material which had little relevance, such as "who was eisenhower's secretary of
state?"  i mean, who really cares about such things?!  anyhow, god, please help
tamara keep her gpa in an upwardly mobile position instead of a declining one.
thank you.  amen."

okay, for those of you who are radically religious and this seems a little
blasphemous, it was only a joke.  you should just delete now.  you don't need to
flame me because if this offended you, you probably think i'll be going to hell
anyway and there are enough flames there that would suite my punishment.


hey... pssst...
you pagans or demented college students who are still reading......
please say this prayer twice a day until further notice.  feel free to add your
name to the list if necessary.  just make sure to leave mine in there too
though.  i *really* do think i flunked that test and need all the help i can get
to persuade the big guy to give my professor a little message in his conscience
that says, "hey, that test was pretty hard.... you need to curve really big."
if you do say this and it works, i'll owe ya something good!!  hmmm... let's
see... how about cookies and ice cream for everyone?... and lollipops?!.... and
sunflowers?!!... and raindrops on roses and whiskers on kittens?!!!.... and
butter biscuits?!!!!... and...

thanks a bunch,
tamara (the perpetual, memory-deficient college student)

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>i live in utah and the legislators here recently passed a bill banning any
>type of sexual orientation club from high schools.  a few students at one
>high school wanted to form a gay-straight alliance and the legislators just
>went insane.   now there can be no type of club at any high school unless
>it is an academic club.  they also want to make sure that teachers do not
>participate in any type of "illegal activity" including homosexual
>relationships or talking to students who may be having personal
>difficulties due to homosexual feelings.  talk about an "enlightened" state.
> no wonder utah has the highest rate of teen suicide in the country.
>

of course they still have football and other sports clubs.  i guess they must

be "academic"  (hey mom, i got a's in tackling and spitting)

dave neale

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date:         sat, 11 may 1996 17:00:24 edt
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subject:      nigc:  thanks for the support =)

hi folks,

  i just wanted to thank all of you whom sent me notes of condolence
after my post yesterday, it was very kind and it helps a great deal.

  the support the list has given dana/jenny, scot, me, and i'm sure
others as of late has been very touching!  its wonderful to be a part
of it.

                                -- chris

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> so i will point out...that it did not escape my attention that both
> mss. ray and saliers wore different outfits
> on may 2 and may 4.

hold me back! i can't resist commenting on this (hehe). i was looking at
my pics from the 5/2 show and it looks like emily is wearing the same
black shirt with the zipper under her overalls that she wore on saturday
with the matching black pants. now how is that for trivial? :)

i cant for the life of me recall what she was wearing on friday when we
walked by her, i was kinda in shock and just zoned in on her face.

kristina

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subject:      names

i had asked a question earlier reguarding the song "land of canaan",
and was directed to http://www.hidwater.com/lifeblood for part of the
answer.  so, yesterday i looked up that sight to see what i could
see.  i found a lot of articles about ig there (they have a
collection that goes way back), and one of them dated november 22,
1985 from the charleston news & courier written by edward o. marshall
states, "rhythm guitarist amy e. ray and lead guitarist emily a.
saliers..."  now, does anyone find it interesting that their middle
initials are the first letter of the each other's first name?  does
anyone know what their middle names are?  just currious. :)

anna

"i am not a pretty girl. that is not what i do. i ain't no damsel
in distress, and i don't need to be rescued. so, put me down, punk.
wouldn't you prefer a maiden fair? isn't there a kitten stuck up
a tree somewhere?" --ani difranco

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date:         sat, 11 may 1996 18:14:09 -0400
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subject:      hey y'all

hey y'all. sorry i havent posted for a bit. have played musical computers,
and where i have it now, i have no phone line connection, so i wont be on
for a while... im gonna sign off until i can get a connection(i logged on
and had 145 messages...) so, until then- i dont know what im gonna do w/out
u guys... make sure you tell me all the good stuff i miss, ok??? thanx. i'll
miss y'all...
tiff

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subject:      tattoo

does anyone know the story behind amy's tattoo?  i'd like to see a close up picture
of it and get an explanation of the significance.  thanks in advance if you can
help!

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subject:      jcs

for info on the jcs video try pointing your browsers at the following url:

http://monsterbit.com/stammer/video.html

it looks like there might be a november performance of jcs!!! atlanta here i
come!!!

sharon

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subject:      amy's tattoo.

:) i think she pretty much explains it in "keeper of my heart" on nis, right?
:) :)

rick
(johnny mnemonic- that's the movie where dolph lundgren plays the unibomber,
right?)
sayre

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subject:      same sex marriages and tapes i am making...

1) i am totally to my limit on tape making, at least for the time being!

2) delaware is making same-sex marriages illegal *in the event* that hawaii
legalizes them. it is a safeguard. pretty sick, hunh? i agree with claire
that this brings out weird internalized homophobia in folks...i find myself
thinking i don't "deserve" a wedding like straight folks...and catching
myself

peace you dear fortunate ones,

larissa

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subject:      ar reviews ani difranco's new release (advocate)

in the 5/28 issue of 'the advocate' (sharon stone on the cover) is
a review of ani difranco's new release "dilate" and amy is the reviewer.

(reprinted without permission)

the untouchable
(ani difranco, dilate (righteous babe)
reviewed by amy ray

        somehow i end up on the south side of austin, tex., my back against
the wall, sitting on the floor listening to ani difranco's newest creation...
but it isn't ani. "so what is this?" i ask. "utah phillips," ani replies.
"who's that?" "he's a storyteller guy." utah's voice sounds just like the
river of time he keeps talking about, and ani has created the backdrop.
she is like a wide-eyed kid dressing up the stories of her grandfather the
sage, giving them the life they deserve, but it's an apocalypse, and i
feel like i'm in the middle of a vision, a vision of 'swimming to cambodia'
even the light seems to be swaying back and forth.
        and while ani is working on utah's record, the first non-ani album
to be released on righteous babe records, the release of her own cd, "dilate,"
is upon us. ani difranco - producer, musician, label owner, songwriter, patron
of the arts. as i'm listening to utah phillips, i look up on the table and see
a copy of "dilate." "can i have that?" i ask. "sure." is it spelled right?
well, of course it is. i'm sure ani has defined the word dilate a million
times in her mind, but i found something interesting. dilate means not only
"to expand" but also "to enlarge upon; to tell in great detail." ani
difranco's newest release "dilate," is a journey of expansion and detail.
        listening to "dilate" reminds me of the first time i heard "when
i was a boy" by jane siberry. i had no pre-conceived notions of what i wanted
jane's new album to be, because i had not immersed myself in her musical
wanderings. when i heard jane's record i flipped, but a lot of her fans
questioned it because it was different, heavy on the experimental side with
dance grooves and long, intense musings. i'm not comparing the two records
musically, and i'm not sure what ani's audience expects, but "dilate" strikes
me as a different journey - or maybe the conclusion of one. it's very funky,
it grooves, it rocks, but it still breathes the air of a folksinger.
        apparently, ani has no boundaries - personally or musically. she just
does her thing. i can't really criticize any of this cd, because it's so
honest. i picture ani up all night surrounded by instruments she has never
played; she picks them up one at a time, figures them out, then moves on.
ani is just looking for sounds. if she can't find a player to play what she
hears, she plays it herself. so when i looked at the credits to see who is
making all those cool sounds, it is mostly ani.
        ani wants to be a bass player, that's what she tells me, and this
record proves her talent. on "dilate's" opening cut, "untouchable face,"
the bass comes in with melodic confidence and grace, lifting the song to
another level. the bass on the song "shameless" starts out in a funk style
and them moves into a groove. ani manages to move between folk and funk
with ease throughout the record. her longtime comrade in rhythm, drummer
andy stochansky, is blessed with a sense of melody as well as rhythm, which
allows him to play with poetry and really read what is going on in the song.
on songs like "adam and eve" and "outta me, onto you," the drum tracks mirror
ani's dynamic vocal performance. maybe ani wants to be a drummer, too,
because the drum sequences she sets up on "going down" and her cover of
"amazing grace" reflect a true love of rhythm.
        i'm struck by the appropriateness of ani's production. she does not
get self-involved, but she does explore new territory, and her arrangements
are fresh and challenging. ani's guitar-playing is as eclectic and passionate
as ever, but more mature. although ani plays a multitude of instruments on
"dilate," including thumb piano, tenor and steel guitars, organ, synthesizers,
and percussion, she is not afraid to be stark on this record. the minimal
production on the song "napoleon" brings her guitar-playing into sharp focus
with incredible effectiveness. the sweeping song "done wrong" combines all
of ani's talents in one place. the interchange between the vocals and steel
guitar, the instrumental arrangement, the songwriting - the track really is
a palette of many of ani's sensibilities.
        so where else does ani take us? on "untouchable face": "i could make
you happy, y'know / if you weren't already... two-thirty in the morning /
and my gas tank will be empty soon / neon signs on the horizon rubbing elbows
with the moon... you'll look like a photograph of yourself / taken from far
far away." enough said. this song kills me because it really captures a
moment, a texture in time; i can almost touch it.
        ani has grown lyrically as well as musically. she explores themes
that come with age and go with the territory of being a public persona. her
images are detailed, her confessions are intriguingly honest, and her
observations can be unsettling yet valuable, like these lines from "adam
and eve": "you rhapsodize about beauty / and my eyes glaze / everything
i love is ugly / i mean really, you would be amazed." we've all been here;
at least i hope we have.
        this album ends with a redeeming song, "joyful girl." i take this
song as ani's answer to any questions we might have about her motivations
in life. it's a very assuring song - "i do it for the joy it brings / because
i'm a joyful girl / because the world owes me nothing / and we owe each
other the world." if you've never heard ani's music, this record is a good
place to start; if you have, it's a good place to end up.

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date:         sat, 11 may 1996 22:28:13 -0400
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subject:      re: names

someone asked this awhile -- the answer is elizabeth and ann.
kirsten

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performance, said he could see through me/i spent four years prostrate to the
higher mind, got my paper, and i was free" -- emily saliers

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subject:      the whistle only dogs can hear
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heya all.. a new cd is on the market!  and it's one that i *highly* recommend..


kelly hogan, formerly of the jody grind, currently of the rock*a*teens, has
put out a solo album..  yeah!

who is kelly hogan you ask?  she is the owner of that incredibly smooth
voice that you hear after the first intstumental of jcs, she is also the
owner of the voice of simon zealotes on the same production..  she was the
lead singer of the jody grind (yes she was lead singer?)-- a band that was
on its way to stardom until a tragic accident happened and two of the band
members were killed..

and now she is the star of "the whistle only dogs can hear"... creative
loafing said it best::

        (printed w/o permission)  ...hogans voice, delicate and fragile and
full of nuance, is the star, yet the album works on other levels.  there's
the sparse, moody backing provided by the core band of guitarist andy
hopkins, and drummer andrew d. barker and bassist (string bass) jo.  then
there's hogan's secret weapon-- her intimate and often melancholy songs with
their intricate wordplay and resonating romantic imagery. combine those
elements, as "whistle" so eloquently does, and you have all the hallmarks of
greatness....

check this out.. rdr has it monday or tuesday 1-800-636-6166

-brooke

"if you're afraid of the dark.. remember the night rainbow.."

"if you have butterflies in your stomach.. ask them into your heart.."
        -cooper edens
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on sat, 11 may 1996 angiecies@aol.com wrote:

> the last show of a tour (before they took a break for a couple of months) amy
> had on a pair of pajama bottoms! the reason i know this is someone yelled
> "hey amy, i like your pants (they were a paisley or some other kind of
> pattern) and she said "thanks, they're my pajamas...you know last night of a
> tour, you just let everything hang out! "
>
> angie in kc

you know, i seem to remember, she wore some pajama bottoms at the august
17, 1994 seattle show at the pier!  they totally clashed with her
button-down shirt that she wore over a t-shirt, but you know, it was still
the coolest outfit ever!

then again, who am i to talk.  i'm one big fashion nightmare.

:)

carolyn

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subject:      re: stage outfits
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>
> hold me back! i can't resist commenting on this (hehe). i was looking at
> my pics from the 5/2 show and it looks like emily is wearing the same
> black shirt with the zipper under her overalls that she wore on saturday
> with the matching black pants. now how is that for trivial? :)
>
> kristina


my god!!! you're absolutely right about that black shirt, kristina.  it's
the same in my pictures, too (duh, how obvious, carolyn).  you know, she's
also wearing the same bra and underwear!  my camera has an x-ray lense.

wishful thinking (especially for cylinda--the resident emily fan).
:)

for all you fellow amy admirers, she's got on wonderwoman underoos!  both
shows!

whoa, i'm like soooo loopy right now.  been up all night.  nuts!

carolyn

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subject:      rob augino's home page!

well, i just wrote my first home page!  it has tons of pictures and other
neato stuff...so please check it out and let me know where i can improve it.
it is my first attempt at html, so be gentle :)  thanks for caring!  hope
you enjoy it.
take care
rob augino
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subject:      re: stage outfits

in a message dated 96-05-12 08:59:23 edt, egg@u.washington.edu (carolyn chow)
writes:

>for all you fellow amy admirers, she's got on wonderwoman underoos!  both
>shows!
>
>whoa, i'm like soooo loopy right now.  been up all night.  nuts!
>
>carolyn
>
>

whoa- flashback!!!!!!!!!!!!!  i remember... i used to have.... yes, it's
coming back to me...
  aquaman underoos!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  wow!!!

being a little bit strange
rick
(aqualad)
sayre

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subject:      a special wish

:)  this is for all the mothers on the list!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

happy mother's day!!!!!!!!

may you get served lots of ice cream. put your feet up & relax!!
and listen to some ig!!

:)
rick
(loves his mom)
sayre

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subject:      amy ray in wurtzel

hello all --  i'm home from college with a new e-mail address... i just
thought you'd appreciate this tip -- my g/f just sent me a little quote
from elizabeth wurtzel, "the (fe)male gaze"  and she says that throught the
entire essay wurtzel talks about how ig influenced her -- you might want to
check it out....


"no matter how many outre things i manage to
>do with my life, how many body piercings or tattoos or whatever else i
might
>litter my body wiht, i am still, as a sexual being, the girl my mother
wants
>me to be, the woman who is obedient to the male gaze.
>and amy ray, i am certain, is not."


i can where my g/f got it from if you all are interested... take care.

jessie gilliam
jmg8r@virginia.edu
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subject:      re: a special wish

at 10:47 am 5/12/96 -0400, rick wrote:
>:)  this is for all the mothers on the list!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> happy mother's day!!!!!!!!
thanks rick... from one of the "moms" on this list. my day is a doubley good
one... not only is it mother's day... but it's my daughter's tenth birthday
( i feel old!!! old and pampered, and filled with maternal pride + angst...
sigh... it's a "laughter through tears" kind of day).
peace + parties (?) :- ) kim
<kim fischer>
rcn@prcn.org
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disolve all the stones that are cast -
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subject:      re: ar reviews ani difranco's new release (advocate)

man !!!

thanks for bringing that review to our attention !!!
i have long thought that ray has a uinique and insightful
perspective into music and the music business !!! and a review of
ani difranco to boot !!!

what i liked about it is that ray analyzed the music in a
thoughtful and thorough manner..rather than think of how
many clever insults or superlatives she could use to constitute
a music review (as too many journalists do these days
*although that practice is nothing new*).

as a music connoiseur, i found the review to be a useful
aid in appreciating that particular work...i particularly like the
way she got into describing different instuments and passages
and songs . very nice !

kudos to the advocate for inlisting ray's expertise in music.
first janis ian (whos column alone is worth the price of the
magazine!) , now amy ray ! life is good ! i hope to see more
of her written work gracing the pages of the advocate ! i don't
know about you all... but i really think that she is a major
voice in music today....she speaks to that pure part of music that
is overlooked by the profit driven industry. we need to have
her voice heard !!!

(i inadvertently let my subscription run out but i re-ordered last week..
i hope i get this issue !!!!)

love,
binky

"in heart, i am an american artist, and i have no guilt."
(patty smith)

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subject:      gay families (nigc)

yesterday, the woman who was my partner of 10 years
got her masters dergree. although we are no longer
a couple we are still the best of friends.

the day before the commencement my mother called
and said thet she would like to go. then the day of the ceremony
not only my mother, but my father and my brother got all dressed
up and attended !! (without any prompting on my part ! :)

i was deeply moved at the realization that my parents and brother
consider kate to be part of our family :)

i just wanted to pass along that good news !
human beings progress...slowly sometimes, but we do progress :)

peace and love !

claire

"if we can sing and dance a little as we fight the good fight of freedom
it makes it all go easier."
(sojourner truth)

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subject:      end of least complicated

i just noticed something really bizzare. i was listening to least complicated
on my cd rom and at the very end where all you hear are the drums (the "na,
na"s have stopped) amy and emily are talking underneath. i listened to it
again and all i could catch was emily saying "yeah, that's just the way i can
feel it" and amy replying with something like "yeah, but you don't want to
------ either." but there was more that i couldn't make out. has anyone heard
this besides me and does anyone know what they are saying? only the girls
would have a song that has something new to catch the billionth time you
listen to it. = ) you just gotta love em! . . thanks in advance yall!

-catherine : )

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hello all,

david geller
a045500t@bcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us

afn37256@afn.org

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subject:      nigc: hall/bucklew last night...

hello everyone,

    i just wanted to post some info on kristen hall and wendy bucklew.
i had the pleasure of seeing them play last night. thought i would
share a few details with ya'll...

    kristen at eddie's (7:00 set)

    i was a little late getting down there due to school but i did get
to see about four or five songs.
    she was awesome... she played a couple different guitars, did some
new songs, played harmonica on some of the songs. her voice sounded
great. the atmosphere seemed pretty laid back. looked like everyone was
having a good time.

    wendy at red light cafe (11:00ish and 12:00ish sets)

    wendy was just incredible... she played a couple different guitars,
did some of her older songs and some others i haven't heard before. she
played nine songs on the first set and thirteen on the second. she sang
one song without a guitar. her voice was really strong and clear. broke a
few strings. her guitar work was amazing. she was all over it.

    well, that's about it for now. i do have more details on both of
them. if anyone wants them just privately e-mail me and i'll send it to
ya.

note:  sorry, no set lists and no boots. but, i did get a tape (and a
shirt) of wendy. would be happy to make some copies for trade.

last note:  i met a couple of ig list members at red light. brook and
indi-somethin'. just wanted to say hello and it was nice to meet ya'll.

                                                    see ya...
                                                           kim

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heya all.. so i posted about kelly hogan and her new cd earlier..

well, now its time for another cd..

sula peace.. sula peace is the new rock n roll band formed by sonia tetlow
and terri onstead..  they've been playing around for sometime just the two
of them-- sonia on lead guitar and vocals and terri on cello.. now they've
put together a rock band, and a new cd.. i've only heard it once, but i
really liked it.. a lot of my sonia/terri favorites w/ a band behind them...
the cd is :: electric w/ an acoustic feel.. but sonia said be prepared for
down and out rock when they play live..  they are doing a cd release party
on friday the 17th  at the st. agnes tea garden of the atlanta dream hostel
(near the freight room)-- its' from 9-1 -- special guests include--
feyerabend and viva la divas candi joisne  3$ cover..

also-- for those of you who like singer songwriters-- check out  don
conscenti's new cd::

boxes of bones..  if you aren't familiar w/ the name don conoscenti-- aka
don con-- become familiar.. he's a man who plays every instrument out
there.. and if he can't play it now, and he wants it in his music, give him
time.. he'll learn it.. truly amazing..
  but, even though he plays all of these instruments.. it's  truly singer
songwriter..  i described it to someone as the cd i'd put on when i wanted
to listen to silence.. it's that quiet and mellow, laid back..  we all need
variety in our cd collections-- and this is my variety to viva la diva and
the ellen james society.. i love it..
   joining don on his new cd include:: emily saliers, pierce pettits,
kristian bush, and kristen hall..

man oh man.. what am i gonna do when i go to va for 3.5 months? luckily i've
got my computer, rainy day records has a 1-800 #, and radar rose is there :))

take care y'all

ps.. for those of y'all in the atlanta area-- shawn mullins and matthew
kahler are doing their last show together at eddie's on thursday the 17th

-brooke

"if you're afraid of the dark.. remember the night rainbow.."

"if you have butterflies in your stomach.. ask them into your heart.."
        -cooper edens
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date:         sat, 11 may 1996 20:35:41 cdt
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cynthia, we got your order--i changed prices on my last mailing and added
a few items which our 1-800 service did not ic  pick up--it has been taken
care--thanks for bringing it to my attention.
peace , russ, merchandise coordinator, honor the earth campaign

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subject:      re: let's hear it for canada (nigc)

hey all... it figures that i'd go away for the weekend and be too busy to
watch the news right when something like this ( the approved legislation
outlawing discrimination against gay men + women nationwide ) happens...
wow. federal protection.  me being canadian + all i'd feel remiss if i
didn't comment to the list how pleased i am with the whole thang.
it's a teensy step on a path full of obstacles... but it's a step.
peace + pride... kim
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subject:      re: names

thanks again to y'all that updated me on a &  e's names!  and to
everyone else, you don't have to reply now... :)

anna

"i am not a pretty girl. that is not what i do. i ain't no damsel
in distress, and i don't need to be rescued. so, put me down, punk.
wouldn't you prefer a maiden fair? isn't there a kitten stuck up
a tree somewhere?" --ani difranco

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subject:      bye y'all...

you've been great!  see you next fall!
if anyone would like to drop me any igc over the summer, it'll be:
lwarren531@aol.com
grooooooooooooooooooovy.
-mandy

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subject:      ig have new album out!

o.k. now that i have your attention i sorta need your help. i'm back home but
i forget how to get back onto the list. help!
ben

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hey everyone, is there anyone who is 15 out there?


david geller
a045500t@bcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us

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subject:      stage outfits

wonderwoman underoos?  hmmm...i used to have a wonderwoman doll when i
was about 8 yrs old!    so, carolyn, how much $$ would you take for those
x-ray lenses? (hehehe)  maybe you could bring them to newport and share...(ggg)

joan :p  (aka "stogie mama")

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i can't get on the list! i sent subscribe indigo-girls and my name to
listserv@netspace.com
it's not working*grunt*
lorindigo
jan
rick......
help
ben

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x-shameless cd-plug: willy porter, dog-eared dream
lines: 18

alycia <anb038@nwu.edu> wrote:

>ellen had the group "texas," who sings her opening song, featured in the intro.
>does anyone have any information about the group?  the lead singer has an
>incredible voice and both of the people in the group played acoustic guitar!!
>
>i'm ready to go looking for a cd!

there are 3 texas cds (and 20-30 cd singles with non-lp tracks): southside,
mother's heaven, and rick's road. they're great, but not terribly acoustic
in general. very similar to lone justice / maria mckee.

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subject:      re: the end of least complicated

yeah, i noticed a while back that they were saying some stuff, but i could
never figure out what it was.  also, what are they (or maybe just amy?)
saying at the beginning of mystery?

jenny


"...wanna go to indiana?  lot of music there they say."
            catie curtis

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subject:      re: the end of least complicated

in a message dated 96-05-12 21:52:26 edt, indigonut@aol.com writes:

>yeah, i noticed a while back that they were saying some stuff, but i could
>never figure out what it was.  also, what are they (or maybe just amy?)
>saying at the beginning of mystery?

"handed down and made by hand."

:)  danna

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subject:      tmf: saying stuff

while we are on the subject of things amy says that are not understandable:
what on earth does she say in the middle of touch me fall, during the
build up?  i've spent many a... well, minute trying to decipher this but i
just can't...


jessie

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subject:      ep and more cd, and some otehr goodies

this is a part review, part info from rdr.

someone (i forget who) recently mentioned the ep and more bootleg cd
having just gotten it from perry.  that was actually from the second batch,
dated after april 29 (the first batch).

so for all you curious folks....this is a brand new bootleg cd and the only
palce you can get it at this time is from rdr.  packaging is very
simnple but the sound will blow you away.

track list:

the ep:  1  land of canaan
         2  lifeblood
         3  history of us
         4  never stop
         5 cold as ice
         6 finlandia
color me grey:  7  falling star
                8 carry me away
                9  sweet gypsy
                10 i'll be there
                11 you are free
msic live:      12 holy city
                13 land of canaan
                14 lifeblood
                15 never stop
                16 cold as ice
                17 should have never crossed your path*

* some might recognize this as identified as "what was really me" on
some older bootlegs

i have no idea where th elive tracks are from.  sound quality:  beyond
your wildets dreams.  teh ep is a little echoey but otherwise crystal
clear.  the color me grey stuff is totally clear..no static or fuzz.
obviously it isnt *all* of color me grey, but some great choices.
the live tracks are pretty much teh same in quality.  the cd is on a cd-r
which means it is a bit more fragile...you need to be more careful with
it as scratches *will* affect playing.

this cd is $34.95 plus shipping.  yeah it is a bit more than the others
and that is largely because of the cd-r factor.  they are being made up in
batches of 25 and rdr is taking orders.  two batches have gone out and
as said before, enough others will be done to make sure all interested
are able to get one.

perry has asked me let interested collectors alos know about some other
items.  he does have a mint condition signed ep in sotck for $500 (yes
that's right...these are getting rarer and rarer).  anotehr nice item
he jsut got is a signed special packaging rlease from the deadicated
album.  call for specific details.

as brooke mentioned, also check out the new don conoscenti.  i hacent
heard it yet but have been hearing a very good buzz about it.

so that's the latest and greatest.  have a good week!


amy p.                          /       who holds your hand
pegasus@crl.com                /        when you're alone
                              /
the original photo monk      /                  --patty larkin

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subject:      money
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              hackers%plearn.bitnet@pucc.princeton.edu,
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              hootie@caligari.dartmouth.edu, humor@caligari.dartmouth.edu,
              humor%uga.bitnet@pucc.princeton.edu, inbusiness@listserv.aol.com

hello, fellow netters!!

i have found the solution to all my money problems (and yours too!))  let me
show you how!

take advantage an an irs loophole!!  let me show you how to make $262,200
cash -
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also, i'll show you how to legally eliminate most taxes, fines, and
penalties.  i'll even show you how to get back the income taxes you've paid
in the last three years!!

(note:  thsi report goes far beyond anything you may have previously read or
heard about from anyone else!  obviously, i can't reveal all of the contents
in this simple letter, but this much i can promise:  you will be shocked and
amazed!!!!)

for more information, send e-mail to pwadamsjr@aol.com
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subject:      re: amy's tattoo

the following is taken from an ig faq dated 9/94:


1)  what's the deal with amy's tattoo?

  niki pantelias said in a november 1990 posting to the mailing list:
   "...amy specifically said (i was there) that the tattoo is 'the sioux
    indian symbol for love inside a hand...basically it means love.'"


- randy

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subject:      re: money

spam isn't nice.

rick up at 12:30 crushed in major disbelief that the guy i'm obsessed with
actually got married and in serious need of a nice cold drink, not in the
mood for some bullshit advertisement in our lovely indigo girls mailing list.

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subject:      nigc - speaking of ani... seeking cd purchase advice

hi everyone ... speaking of ani, i finally have the opportunity to purchase a
cd of hers (and only one). i am not very familiar with her work (though i'd
love to be) -- i've only heard one song i think, and it was *great* -- so i
was wondering if any kind soul out there would recommend which of her albums
i should buy first? please mail me privately. any advice would be greatly
appreciated. thank you very much!

anna

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subject:      old amy ray stuff

i've been trying to sort through my tapes this weekend, you know, do some
filing.  i came across a tape that seems to be mostly color me grey
(although when i got this from a friend five years ago, her tape wasn't
labeled).  here's the question... it's got a song on it called heartbreak
central.  now that song isn't on my recently acquired color me grey.
anyone know of this song?  also, somehow someone in my family (kid or
partner but i'm not pointing fingers) lost my copy of tuesday's
children.  anybody willing to make me a copy of theirs?

thanks in advance

amy

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subject:      purple parrot offer

sorry all, the offer is officially closed as of 10 pm pacific time sunday.
i got 14 responses, all of whom will get a copy, and i may make the offer
again once i've recovered (and i may have some new ones to offer,
hopefully). a brief bio follows:

name: carol gunby

occupation: desktop publishing production slave

first saw ig in: 1989, stanford memorial auditorium

i'm still unable to choose sides in the amy-emily debate--i love amy's
winner-take-all intensity and complete emotionalism, and her willingness to
dive deep in and get scary, but i also love emily's sense of language,
unabashed romanticism, and social commitment. so what's a gal to do? buy
everything they've ever released, and revel in it, of course!

still trying to shine my life like a light,
carol

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subject:      re: tmf: saying stuff

in a message dated 96-05-12 22:39:41 edt, jessie writes:

>while we are on the subject of things amy says that are not understandable:
> what on earth does she say in the middle of touch me fall, during the
>build up?  i've spent many a... well, minute trying to decipher this but i
>just can't...

"aboaglagabayageboaboaglabiaaboglaboaioleagadbadoaulado....."

i'm pretty sure that's it !
glad i could help !
love,
binky

"blah blah, blablabla, blah blah blah !"
('the bla bla song" by whats her name )

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from:         indigo jo <mts5@aber.ac.uk>
subject:      re: money
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on mon, 13 may 1996, richard sayre iii wrote:

> spam isn't nice.
>
> rick up at 12:30 crushed in major disbelief that the guy i'm obsessed with
> actually got married and in serious need of a nice cold drink, not in the
> mood for some bullshit advertisement in our lovely indigo girls mailing list.

is there any way jude could arrange to kill any mail with the word "money" or
"cash" in it?   that way people couldn't post this kind of crap to this list.
what do y'all think?

mat

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subject:      happy birthday!!! (may 13, 1996)

happy birthday janis and joanne!!


"...these are the questions these are the answers stacked like wood..."

"...you know the things that i am afraid of i'm not afraid to tell and if
we'd ever leave a legacy it's that we loved each other well..."

birthday folks:
acrobat@eden.rutgers.edu (janis)
napikoska@chaph.usc.edu (joanne)
"this train revised"
"power of two"
* :);) *

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on fri, 10 may 1996 the amazing claire wrote:

> those who hate us are rallying around this issue in a big way.
> and even if we don't win the first battle, it's of upmost importance
> that we fight now !
some months ago, concerned women for america ran an ad in the seattle
times against the nat'l education assoc. slamming them for wanting to
include queer history in the curriculae, or something.  yeah, it was
protesting against the calendar the nea had put together, which had an
amazing amount of multicultural stuff, like native american history month,
queer history month, asian-american, etc.... i was really impressed.
  anyway, we have to know our enemies, so i called the 800# and
subscribed.  so now every once in a while i get _family voice_, a charming
little rag filled with all sorts of crap, and also there are impassioned
pleas from beverly lahaye, the grande dame herself.  the latest one has a
picture on the outside of the envelope of 2 flaming gay men showing their
wedding rings to a classful of kids (all white, i might add), with the
caption, "what will they teach our children if gay "marriage" becomes
legal?"  and the letter warns how your church will be forced to hire
homosexuals, your community will suffer from this scourge, your children
will be taught that homosexuality is an acceptable lifestyle (damn....that
stoopid word again!), etc..... so please send whatever you can possibly
spare for this worthy cause, and if you send $35 or more, we'll send you
the video "the gay agenda", great for community/church meetings.
  one time i got a call from them and had a long talk with the guy on the
other end about choice, and he said he agreed that one religious group
shouldn't force their beliefs on everybody....we didn't get into the gay
thing.  he sounded very nice, ordinary, reasonable, and yet he was working
for them.  shit.  so yeah, to get to the point, i heartily agree that we
have to mobilize like mad.

love,
karey

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subject:      re: ar reviews ani difranco's new release (advocate)
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on sun, 12 may 1996 mmedido@aol.com wrote:

> kudos to the advocate for inlisting ray's expertise in music.  first janis
> ian (whos column alone is worth the price of the magazine!) , now amy ray !

the advocate has enlisted a slew of lesbian celeb writers of late (melissa
etheridge, janis ian, chastity bono, suzanne westenhoeffer, lea delaria...)

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subject:      daemon: what it means

a while ago, someone posted asking what daemon means and why amy decided to
use it as the name of her record company. several responses came back that
explained more of what i would term the "dictionary" meaning of the word.
but based on some info i had filed away in the back of my brain that had
something to do with goethe and his basic necessities for life, and
something i had read about amy and the record company, i knew those answers
didn't quite touch on what she had in mind. unfortunately at the time, i
couldn't quite remember why. well low and behold as i was rearranging the
mess on my desk at work so it looked better, i came across the notes i had
written on the subject! (yes, excitement would be the appropriate emotion
at this point because this is cool :)

anyway, goethe (johann wolfgang von goethe, 1749-1832, for those keeping
score) wrote that the basic elements necessary for human existance are:
love, hope, chance, necessity and da, da, da, daaaaaa....daemon. i'll leave
you all the assignment of figuring out what love, hope, chance and
necessity mean, but here's what was written about daemon:

       daemon is that innate creativity that is essentially our own, that which
       cannot be altered by the hands of any other human. it is an inbred force
       that is ours to do with what we want, how we want, and to what extent we
       want it.

well from what we "know" about amy i do believe this is what she had in
mind when she named her record company. i recall i wrote this all down
after a previous discussion that occured with someone, somewhere about the
record company, but i'm foggy with the details. anyway, that's the info i
was trying to come up with a few months ago.

deb

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subject:      nigc--ani

okay, here's my dumb question for the day.  when i was in seattle last
month, all my friends pronounced ani's name like "ah-ni."   but here in
salt lake, everyone says ani like "annie."

which is it?

curiouser and curiouser,

corinne

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subject:      amy's tatoo & bootlegs

>the following is taken from an ig faq dated 9/94:
>
>
>1)  what's the deal with amy's tattoo?
>
>  niki pantelias said in a november 1990 posting to the mailing list:
>   "...amy specifically said (i was there) that the tattoo is 'the sioux
>    indian symbol for love inside a hand...basically it means love.'"
>
>
>- randy

    i think i saw ig on tv in some interview where amy said it was a sioux
indian cross. and the first time i met amy in santa fe i asked her
specifically about her tatoo.  she told me that a friend of hers had given
her a book of symbols and that she made the tatoo from that.  then she
autographed my arm where her tatoo was.  she drew the cutest little cartoon
character, kinda like a dog or a bear holding up a claw/paw.  what i
wouldn't do for a collection of amy's drawings, very unique style.
     on another note, about 2 or 3 years ago this friend of mine turned me
onto this bootleg of the ig from the early days. kinda a mix tape, good
sound. she had gotten it from a friend of hers who supposedly played golf
with emily.  anyways, she came by yesterday and we swapped stories.  i told
her that i now had almost 90 bootlegs and that my collection all got
started with the one boot she had given me (now known as the golfing buddy
boot).  she asked which boot it was (i didn't know she had more than one!),
"was it the one with amy's brother singing and them acting all goofy?"  i
was like, "no, it's the golfing buddy one".  "oh, well let me get the other
one" and she goes out to her car and gets me this boot taped from the
soundboard at davidson-love auditorium 2/26/90
i haven't listened to all of it yet, but the sound is good!  anyways, i
guess recently she went to atlanta to visit some friends.  one of which
takes care of amy's dog while she's on tour.  she said amy and cooper are
playing softball on some team.  we sat around speculating what position:
shortstop, 2nd base?  it was funny.  she said she also had someone drive
her by emily's house.  she said it's a really big stone house with those
pillar/column things out from.  she was really surprised that there wasn't
a fence or anything, she said "emily's driveway was right there!"  she also
told me a few years ago about some party she went to at amy's house for her
birthday.  she said it as an old house that amy and cooper had painted all
psychadelic with  wild checkerboard colors and tiles, etc.  it was wierd
for me to get info from a real live person, and not from this list.
     i hope this isn't too personal of stuff (at least i'm not  talking
about underwear or anything)   :)  kind of harmless info i hope.  no, i
don't know emily's address.  i didn't ask.


                        --sunny

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date:         mon, 13 may 1996 11:04:25 -0700
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subject:      mystery boot offer grand unveiling ;)

hi y'all,

sorry i've been teasing you with "i have this boot and i'm not telling you
what it is..."  just wanted to have a tape tree firmly in place before i
opened my big mouth!  well, here it is, containing new ig tunes...
                                                   --- -- -----
=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=

amy ray, emily saliers, michelle malone, cooper seay
live at the red light cafe, atlanta, 25 february 1996.

contents:

   cooper seay: like a woman
   michelle malone: hamlet went swimming
   amy ray: don't give that girl a gun
   emily saliers: "going to the country" (title unconfirmed)
   cooper seay: silver bullets
   michelle malone: medicated magdalene
   amy ray: the ballad of squeaky fromme
   emily saliers: "pray my way through or around it" (title uncf.)
   cooper seay: in the afternoon
   michelle malone: dimming soul
   amy ray: cut it out
   emily saliers: for free
   ig: part of a vic chestnutt song (gets cut off)

   plus amy at rainy day records in-store, 31 december 1994:
     lincoln duncan (paul simon)
     problem child (a.k.a. "go go go," which track 14 on 1200 curfews is
                    part of, here she plays the whole thing)


got this from a very kind person who snuck a tape recorder into the gig.
=)  the sound quality indeed sounds like a tape recorder snuck into a gig,
not a soundboard recording, but all in all it's pretty good.  you can
understand amy quite well, and every word of emily's is clear as a bell.
michelle and cooper mumble occasionally, but that's not my source's fault.
;) wendy bucklew played at the gig too, but she got edited out on the
master for tape conservation reasons... but hey, ya can't have everything!

for those who aren't familiar with cooper (of viva la diva) or michelle
(solo or with band de soleil) here's a chance to get acquainted.  this is
actually my favorite michelle stuff that i've heard, hamlet went swimming
and medicated magdalene get stuck in my head like you wouldn't believe...


"quit babbling, scot!  how do i get this thing?"
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=

those living outside the us, contact a volunteer from a nearby country:

uk: andrew (rbc31@dial.pipex.com)
canada: kim (rcn@prcn.org)
australia: email me (scotjohn@leland.stanford.edu) and i'll give you
           the contact info

those living in the us, please contact the person who's been assigned your
birthday.

jan 1-jan 23    cylinda  ccp5913@acs.tamu.edu
jan 24-feb 15   sarah    sanawike1@aol.com
feb 16-mar 9    jude     hunterj1@aol.com
mar 10-mar 31   bon      bonster@alaska.net
apr 1-apr 22    sherry   s-fire@ix.netcom.com
apr 23-may 15   john k.  jkobza@interaccess.com
may 16-june 7   lorie    mediamongr@aol.com
june 8-june 30  lisa n.  nordeelm@caa.mrs.umn.edu
july 1-july 23  sunny    sun@swcp.com
july 24-aug 15  susan    smarine@cc.colorado.edu
aug 16-sep 7    jim      jcd0001@jove.acs.unt.edu
sep 8-sep 30    keith    isbelpk@okra.millsaps.edu
oct 1-oct 23    paula    plaine@seaccd.sccd.ctc.edu
oct 24-nov 15   suzanne  suzanne_dunne@baylor.edu
nov 16-dec 7    karen    brdopl.kduncan@state.ut.us
dec 8-dec 31    lisa m.  lmayne@u.washington.edu

a big thanks again to all the tape tree volunteers!  drop them some email,
and they'll tell you where to send your 90-minute tape and postage-paid
return envelope.

     "i don't come here seeking answers
      i come only seeking peace
      until this tired fist around my heart
      is suaded to release
      and i wish the same for all my friends
      all my friends."
                           -emily, "going to the country"

peace

scot

scotjohn@leland.stanford.edu
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date:         mon, 13 may 1996 14:17:34 edt
reply-to:     lorinda wright <lw01@lehigh.edu>
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subject:      re: the end of least complicated

>"handed down and made by hand."

actually, i always thought it was "handed down _or_ made by hand"
as if to say: is love handed to us (i.e. we have no choice in what we get?)
or is love something we make for ourselves (i.e. do we choose who we fall in
love with?)

picking nits again,
lorindigo

driving...

    i           will            not        be               complacent
lorinda wright           "learn to pretend there's more than love that
lw01@lehigh.edu           matters. -e.s.
lehigh university         "and i drove out of there with no one behind
bethlehem, pa             me. i was feeling funny and free. -a.r.
    i           will            not         be              complacent

so if i am not who you thought i was, well hello it's nice to meet you.
willing to wait. i will survive. i will love every minute of my life. i will
not concede. i will believe. -melissa ferrick

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date:         mon, 13 may 1996 14:32:46 -0400
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subject:      ani

i see that she has a new album out soon, again! i love ani dearly but it
seems like every time i sneeze she has a new cd out.
ben

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from:         lorinda wright <lw01@lehigh.edu>
subject:      you heard it here first

did you know that...

an indigo girl a day keeps the doctor away

people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw indigo girls

don't look a gift indigo girl in the mouth

the grass is always greener on the other side of the indigo girl

don't put all your indigo girls in one basket

too many indigo girls spoil the brew

one good indigo girl deserves another

spare the indigo girl and spoil the child

indigo girls of a feather flock together

you can't teach an old indigo girl new tricks (well, maybe you can, i don't
know.)

two indigo girls are better than one. :) :)

when in rome, do as the indigo girls do

an ounce of indigo girls is worth a pound of...anything else

the road to heaven is paved with indigo girls

all that glitters is not indigo girls

the indigo girl is mightier than the sword

all work and no indigo girls makes jack a dull boy

*i've left out a couple having to do with stones and killing, and birds in
bushes just cuz i didn't think they sounded quite right. :) *

and the extra credit question:

if amy got on a train in denver heading east at 65 mph, and emily got on a
train in atlanta heading west at 73 mph, and the trains proceded at constant
speeds except for one 10 min stop by amy's train, what kind of pastries would
they each have for continental breakfast?

and finally...we've discussed light bulbs, so the next obvious question is:
"why did the indigo girl cross the road?"

have fun folks,
lorindigo

driving...

    i           will            not        be               complacent
lorinda wright           "learn to pretend there's more than love that
lw01@lehigh.edu           matters. -e.s.
lehigh university         "and i drove out of there with no one behind
bethlehem, pa             me. i was feeling funny and free. -a.r.
    i           will            not         be              complacent

so if i am not who you thought i was, well hello it's nice to meet you.
willing to wait. i will survive. i will love every minute of my life. i will
not concede. i will believe. -melissa ferrick

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>
> and finally...we've discussed light bulbs, so the next obvious question is:
> "why did the indigo girl cross the road?"
>
because seh was being chased by the chicken man.

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subject:      opening act

i am trying to remember which group opened for the indigo girls in
philadelpia in fall 94. if anyone could help me i would be appreciative
..thanks much.shawn

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x-to:         "l. andrade" <andrade@anna.az.com>
in-reply-to:  <pine.bsf.3.91.960511144529.28223d-100000@anna.az.com>

actually kristina, as caroly, claire and i were checking out the photos
from the trip, we discovered that emily's shirt on the 2nd was
short-sleeved and the one on the 4th was long-sleeved and more faded...

:)

m

on sat, 11 may 1996, l. andrade wrote:

> > so i will point out...that it did not escape my attention that both
> > mss. ray and saliers wore different outfits
> > on may 2 and may 4.
>
> hold me back! i can't resist commenting on this (hehe). i was looking at
> my pics from the 5/2 show and it looks like emily is wearing the same
> black shirt with the zipper under her overalls that she wore on saturday
> with the matching black pants. now how is that for trivial? :)
>
> i cant for the life of me recall what she was wearing on friday when we
> walked by her, i was kinda in shock and just zoned in on her face.
>
> kristina
>
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> "why did the indigo girl cross the road?"

to prove that she's braver than the chickenman, of course! :)

anna

"i am not a pretty girl. that is not what i do. i ain't no damsel
in distress, and i don't need to be rescued. so, put me down, punk.
wouldn't you prefer a maiden fair? isn't there a kitten stuck up
a tree somewhere?" --ani difranco

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subject:      sad story

my dad's oldest friend has had multiple sclerosis for many years.  he
treated it aggressively for a long time, and therefore got leukemia (i
don't understand the medical stuff).  he had a bone marrow transplant a
few weeks ago, and is recuperating.  i went to see him, and he's in pretty
bad shape.  no energy, speaks very slowly, lying down all the time, bald
from chemo, vomits alot, etc.  i haven't seen him in a long time cos he
lives (with his wife, who also has ms) far.  but the rehab place
is here in town.  anyway, i stayed for a while, and the big thing we were
able to connect about was ig.  he was the one who got me into the girls,
inadvertantly.  he sent my dad a video with latul on it, so months later i
bought the self-titled tape.  he (the friend, not my dad) says that when
he watches it he has an _indigasm_.  pretty good, eh?  he's a word person,
the kind who always finds typos in restaurant menus.  he used to bike,
run, be really active.  it's so sad to see him this way, even though i've
mainly just known him tangentially.
after i left i ran a bit and turned a couple cartwheels, thankful for a
healthy body.

thanks for listening.
listening, haha.

peace out,
karey

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subject:      re: nigc--ani

in a message dated 96-05-13 16:08:23 edt, corinne.simpson@m.cc.utah.edu
(corinne simpson) writes:

>okay, here's my dumb question for the day.  when i was in seattle last
>month, all my friends pronounced ani's name like "ah-ni."   but here in
>salt lake, everyone says ani like "annie."
>
>

hmmm....i've always said it like ani as in: little orphan annie...but at the
ig show in no, when they were saying that sara's on tour w/ani, amy
pronounced it "ah-ni"....

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date:         mon, 13 may 1996 14:09:51 -0700
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> "why did the indigo girl cross the road?"

because she gets to have some answers when she reaches the other side.
(the prize is always worth the rocky ride. =)

scot

p.s. does this relate to missing ten million miles of road she should have
seen?

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i am really irritated about these schools banning gay topics! it is really
getting to me! growing up gay (lesbian) in a "liberal" town/school was hell fo
me! i was called names and made fun of all the time! i was/am proud of myself
but highschool was a very difficult part of my life! i can't imagine growing up
in a place where it is completely forbiden to talk about! i though i had it
rough? i can't imagine what the gay students in those schools are going through!
they have no one to turn to, no one to talk to! i was lucky enough to have a
great support network and plenty of people to talk to! we can't let this happen
to those teenagers! they need to be able to be themselves and have people to
turn to! if we make it forbidden to talk about in these schools gay teens will
be terrified, suicides will go up and straight teens will be intolerant and
think that it is okay to gay bash and be homophobic! teens should be able to
reach out to there teachers at school and not live a life in silence and fear!
anyway, thankyou all for listening! i needed to get that off my chest!
robin

*what would you give for your kid fears....*

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subject:      complicated cd

hi all..

over the weekend i found a cd called "complicated" for $19.99.
can anyone tell me if this is a good buy?  is the quality any good? i
would appreciate any info i can get on this.

thanks!
steve

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> "why did the indigo girl cross the road?"

it was the least complicated way!

kate
who jammed her finger the day before districts (its hard to be a goalie when
you can't catch), and two days before a paper is due.....

typing s l o w l y . . .

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subject:      re: nigc--ani

not that anyone cares.....but its pronounced "ah-nee"....that is what it has
said in many interviews and press releases. not to worry.....i wrongy
pronounced it at first as well....


oh and i think i read somewhere that it is short for angela.... maybe im way
off...someone want to help....

kate

who got her ani list tee today....wooohooo...makes up for the finger....

>okay, here's my dumb question for the day.  when i was in seattle last
>month, all my friends pronounced ani's name like "ah-ni."   but here in
>salt lake, everyone says ani like "annie."
>
>

hmmm....i've always said it like ani as in: little orphan annie...but at the
ig show in no, when they were saying that sara's on tour w/ani, amy
pronounced it "ah-ni"....

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okay, everyone, evil ben has re-emerged!  he of the sick april fool's
subject line prank...bad zoot!  no fair using scary subject lines for
personal gain!  where is good ben? :)
--gwen

on sun, 12 may 1996 joansl@aol.com wrote:

> o.k. now that i have your attention i sorta need your help. i'm back home but
> i forget how to get back onto the list. help!
> ben
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did they really ban gay and lesbian stuff from schools??

i'm straight, but i still think that is awful what they did, you should
like try to change thgat law or something

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subject:      big queer me (was re:?)

okay, this is just a little tangent off of this letter, but i was just
thinking that i have a huge admiration for anyone who's brave enough to be
out in high school. i mean, during those years, i was afraid of the word
gay!! the last thing i'd want to do would have been to seek out information
about gay & lesbian issues. being a gay teenager & all the confusion that
goes with it is tough enough, to be able to accept it & be out in that
environment is admirable!!
if i could go back, i often wonder if i'd be able to answer the jeers &
insults with a loud, clear, proud yes i am! which, i like to think, is what
i'd do now. :)

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-jewel

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subject:      nigc - lesson plan

woo-hoo!  i just finished writing my first and last (hopefully)
lesson plan!!  it wasn't as bad as i thought it would be, but i'm not
looking forward to 8am friday when i have to teach it... :{

just thought i'd share a moment of glee...

anna

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"i am not a pretty girl. that is not what i do. i ain't no damsel
in distress, and i don't need to be rescued. so, put me down, punk.
wouldn't you prefer a maiden fair? isn't there a kitten stuck up
a tree somewhere?" --ani difranco

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subject:      re: tmf: saying stuff

on 13 may 96 at 4:00, mmedido@aol.com wrote:

> in a message dated 96-05-12 22:39:41 edt, jessie writes:
>
> >while we are on the subject of things amy says that are not understandable:
> > what on earth does she say in the middle of touch me fall, during the
> >build up?  i've spent many a... well, minute trying to decipher this but i
> >just can't...
>
> "aboaglagabayageboaboaglabiaaboglaboaioleagadbadoaulado....."
>
> i'm pretty sure that's it !

hmmmmm, i always thought she was saying


"boolaabllayaoolaggabballaaweaaallboouullalbblalaooboommoolaallboloaa"

which i always thought meant
  "we're all out of that. do you wear black?"

peace y'all
'
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'
'
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their gonna re arrange my molecules
some natuaral laws will have to bend
to get me from the shallow end of the
gene pool"
   -emily kaitz

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subject:      amy and her cats

thought i'd share this interesting quote i found in the lifeblood
articles (sorry if it's nothing new to y'all).  it made me chuckle.

:)  anna

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         girls, the party's just begun, by holly crenshaw

     "sometimes i like traveling and sometimes i don't,"  ms. ray says.
"it's just my cats - i'm worried about my cats.  i really am.  i think
that's the only thing that really bothers me."
     ms. saliers adds, "we try not to talk about the cats when we're gone."

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subject:      utah and other things...

greeting all,

delurking for a few moments...in response to some of the utah comments i
wanted to try and bring some insight to the mormon culture and
teachings. here is a web site that has reprinted some specific teachings
>of the mormon church... they actually teach this stuff.
http://www.paranoia.com/~fraterk/stopit.html my best revenge is that i
am a very happy lesbian and don't have any issues about my sexuality.

i have enjoyed reading all the no posts..wish i was there instead of
working (big fuss!) best wishes to jenny for a speedy recovery!

i have yet to figure out what they are saying in lc and tmf, but when ig
was at the pier in seattle in '94...amy did a soc during tmf at the same
place where you can hear the mumbling on so...so i just imagine it's
something similar.

texas (the band) is great! i have mother land and southside and love
them both!

bye for now...getting ready for another series (6 weeks) of road trips
for work...but don't feel too bad for me as i will be going to seoul,
taipei, nice and new york!!!

peace

lisa

...most of your life goes on without me...
...i am alone in a hotel room tonight
emily s.

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x-shameless cd-plug: willy porter, dog-eared dream
lines: 15

corinne simpson <corinne.simpson@m.cc.utah.edu> wrote:

>okay, here's my dumb question for the day.  when i was in seattle last
>month, all my friends pronounced ani's name like "ah-ni."   but here in
>salt lake, everyone says ani like "annie."

i think it's ah-ni, but ask the ani list at ani-difranco@world.std.com if
you want to know for sure. (to subscribe, send "subscribe ani-difranco" to
majordomo@world.std.com.)

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subject:      re: nigc - speaking of ani... seeking cd purchase advice

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anna hidalgo <ahidalgo@fc.emc.com.ph> wrote:

>hi everyone ... speaking of ani, i finally have the opportunity to purchase a
>cd of hers (and only one). i am not very familiar with her work (though i'd
>love to be) -- i've only heard one song i think, and it was *great* -- so i
>was wondering if any kind soul out there would recommend which of her albums
>i should buy first? please mail me privately. any advice would be greatly
>appreciated. thank you very much!

out of range is my favorite, but they're all wonderful. if you have any
trouble finding them, you can mail-order via her label (righteous babe) at
1-800-on-her-own.

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randy rohrer <rohrer@seas.gwu.edu> wrote:

>the following is taken from an ig faq dated 9/94:
>
>
>1)  what's the deal with amy's tattoo?
>
>  niki pantelias said in a november 1990 posting to the mailing list:
>   "...amy specifically said (i was there) that the tattoo is 'the sioux
>    indian symbol for love inside a hand...basically it means love.'"

i found this in fashion magazine (i don't know the date, but it refers to
"the recently released indigo girls, their first album on a major label"):

        "this is spiritual, and it's blue for charity; this is compassion; this
        is intellectual grounding; this is the love of the earth; this is the
        center of the soul..." amy ray is explaining the small tattoo on the
        inside of her forearm...

the article is written by jocelyn craugh.

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subject:      re: ? utah gay bashing etc.

on 13 may 96 at 18:50, david geller wrote:

> did they really ban gay and lesbian stuff from schools??

actually in utah they band all extra curricular activities just so
they could deny a gay/straight student alliance a meeting space and a
teacher to moderate the meetings.

of course this ban didn't apply to sports. appereantly in the united
states it's ok to tell a 16 year old person that if  she/he feels, or
is thinking they may be gay/leasbian/bi-sexual, that this makes them
a bad person, but it's not ok to mess up football practice. someone
please tell me where the hell are our values when we place a sports
past time over the very lives of our young people!!!??

with national focus on the ban in utah schools, the gay marriage debate and
the other media, political and social focus on lesbian/gay/bi-sexual issues maybe
all this turmoil is just growing pains. maybe, just maybe this
society is starting to change in a positive way. then again maybe the
indigo girls will dump sara lee and let me play bass for them on
their next album!

things really are better though. i mean when i was in high school (a
long long time ago, in a galaxy far far away) the very thought of a
gay/straight student alliance would never have occured to anyone. and
there were no openly gay students (this would have been suicide by
proxy). so, perhaps we are making progress. slowly, painfully and
with much resistance.

however, this does not mean we can relax! join political lobby groups
that have agendas you believe in (unless of course your a member of
the religous right.. then please by all means, stay home and watch
re-runs of full house!). imho some good groups are: the human rights
campaign fund, pflag (parents, friends of lesbians and gays), lgra,.

also, pay attention to who is running for your local offices,
especially school board and city council. the religous right has a
strong movement on to get their people elected to as many local
positions as possible. especially school boards. if they control the
school boards, they may control the teaching agenda. book banning is
a favorite pastime (banning things like catcher in the rye, a truly
subversive, pornographic book.... yea right!).

all right, enough preaching from me. sorry, but i get really worked
up about this.


game.
peace y'all
'
'
dan perkins
post-episodic clairvoyant
tour guide to the obvious
'
'
"their gonna give me a dna transplant
their gonna re arrange my molecules
some natuaral laws will have to bend
to get me from the shallow end of the
gene pool"
   -emily kaitz

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subject:      re: ? thread

<small, quiet voice from the back of the room>

hey, y'all, please remember in the midst of your justified outrage
that not all straight, conservative, christian people are homophobic.
some of us are really nice, open-minded (mostly) people with good
taste in music. :)

anna

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"i am not a pretty girl. that is not what i do. i ain't no damsel
in distress, and i don't need to be rescued. so, put me down, punk.
wouldn't you prefer a maiden fair? isn't there a kitten stuck up
a tree somewhere?" --ani difranco

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subject:      make it easier chords

sorry to bother the list with one more post from the chickensoprano,
but does anyone know the chords to "make it easier"?  i'm too poor to
buy songbooks i wouldn't be able to follow anyway, and i can't seem
to find it on the web.

thanks (in advance)!

anna

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subject:      re: nigc--ani

corinne asked:
>okay, here's my dumb question for the day.  when i was in seattle last
>month, all my friends pronounced ani's name like "ah-ni."   but here in
>salt lake, everyone says ani like "annie."
>
>which is it?

i know that this has been answered several times, but i thought i would
chime in with the definitive answer.  :)  in my current ani obsession (which
amy's review did nothing to quell), i went and bought her first three cds a
couple of weeks ago. on the first one, there is a song called 'talk to me
now'.  the first line is 'he said ani, you've gotten tough'.  so the correct
pronunciation is definitely

ahhhhhhhhneee   :-)

and as far as what cd to get, i definitely notice great growth over the
course of her recordings.  and she started out pretty awesome.  :-0  based
on what i have, i would recommend _not a pretty girl_ (although _out of
range_ is a very close second).  based on the amy review, however, i might
hold out until may 21 if i were seeking to buy only one.  :)

and now for some igc -

has anyone else notices that amy fucks up (hey - if emily can say it... :)
in galileo on 1200 curfews?  when she is supposed to sing 'there will be no
end' (in the good ol' 'nuclear annihilation' section), she misses it and
sorts of sighs at the end?  gotta love those girls!!!  :)

whatever,

:dwayne

djarrell@ix.netcom.com
"if my life were a movie/i would light a cigarette/
and the smoke would curl/around my face/
everything i would do would be interesting"  -ani difranco

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subject:      re: nigc - speaking of ani... seeking cd purchase advice

:) speaking as someone who asked the same question a month ago & is totally
thrilled that he did... i'd say just get one!!! :) right now the only one
i've got is not a pretty girl which is in my humble opinion the
shit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
so don't pass go, don't pick up 200 dollars, just go get it!!!!! :)

another pointless post brought to you by
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a flame-free joe.

*please, god, don't let me fall in love and wanna do disgusting things...
dear god, i love  the way he throws!!*
winona ryder as charlotte flax in "mermaids"

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subject:      re: big queer me (was re:?)
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i dont often speak up but i am bored and this is a subject i could go on
and on and on about.  i understand your inclination richard and i am awed
by anyone who comes out in high school but dont sell yourself short.  i
did not come out in high school for the simple reason that i was afraid
for my life.  i am from a small town in texas and it was not safe, and i
am sad to say is still not safe to be gay.
someone once told me to be prudent and wise and i think that it applies
here.  i too wish in a way that i could go back and instead of enduring
all the jokes etc say "screw you" but i am also candidly reminded that
maybe the reason i am here right now wasting time in this computer lab is
because i did what i thought i had to to surevive and get out

mac

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date:         mon, 13 may 1996 18:38:34 edt
reply-to:     howard barlow/ssi1 <howard_barlow/ssi1.ssi1@notes-gw.tus.ssi1.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         howard barlow/ssi1 <howard_barlow/ssi1.ssi1@notes-gw.tus.ssi1.com>
subject:      power of 2 side effects

hi all,
i was listening to power of 2 and had to leave before the song
was done.  i stopped the tape and left.  the whole time i was
gone, the song kept playing over and over in my head.   not
that i really minded :)  i didn't even need a walkman.  i went
through all the lyrics in detail.  when i got home, i turn the tape
back on again.  it was at the same place where i left it.  once
the song finished, so did my fixation on that song.

i  guess that is what you get if you turn off power of 2 in the
middle.

cya,
- - howdy

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date:         mon, 13 may 1996 18:53:48 -0700
reply-to:     kim fischer <rcn@prcn.org>
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from:         kim fischer <rcn@prcn.org>
subject:      re: you heard it here first

at 02:51 pm 5/13/96 edt, loorinda wrote:

>and finally...we've discussed light bulbs, so the next obvious question is:
>"why did the indigo girl cross the road?"
because there was a place that she could walk across with five steps down....
peace all... kim
<kim fischer>
rcn@prcn.org
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when you learn to love yourself, you will
disolve all the stones that are cast -
amy ray
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date:         mon, 13 may 1996 22:32:26 -0400
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from:         christine housel <chousel@grove.ufl.edu>
subject:      fare thee well...signing off

no, not the song...just want to say a temporary "farewell", as i must
signoff for awhile until i catch up with my work. i'll miss y'all! if you
want to e-mail me for some reason, here's my address:  chousel@grove.ufl.edu

i've got a few photos from n.o., and i'll be posting about them
soon, so anyone who wants copies (good ones of the guitar jam sessions!)
can request them. until then....hasta loo-eggo.

christine  :)

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date:         mon, 13 may 1996 23:08:19 edt
reply-to:     joan morrison <103161.3515@compuserve.com>
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from:         joan morrison <103161.3515@compuserve.com>
subject:      federal anti-gay legislation

well folks, once again, it seems, the republican-led congress is talking out
of both sides of its mouth.  isn't this the same congress that wants to reduce/
limit the role of the federal government in our daily lives?  the same congress
that eschews "big government" and thinks the states can best deal with
most issues itself?  well, it seems they've had a change of heart, when it
comes to the issue of same-sex marriages and state-to-state recognition
thereof.   the following is a news brief published in "the tennessean" newspaper
this morning:

"same sex issue not an issue"   reprinted from "the tennessean"  5/13/96
     "preventing same-sex marriages from becoming legal isn't likely to be
a hot  campaign issue, gop leaders said yesterday, despite efforts by some
conservatives to portray it as the handiwork of democratic liberals.
     the legislation emerged last week when bills were introduced in both
houses of congress to define "marriage" in federal law as a 'legal union
between one man and one woman.'
     the legislation is a reaction to a hawaii supreme court ruling favoring
marriage rights for gay men and lesbians that, if it stands, could require
other states to recognize homosexual marriages from hawaii.
     sen. bob dole, the presumptive repulbican nominee for president, cosponsored
the measure, but a co-chairman of his campaign said the same-sex marriage issue
wouldn't play a prominent role in election-year politics."

hmmm...seems to me that the individual states are doing a pretty good
job themselves of passing legislation that will refuse to recognize
the validity of a same-sex marriage.
tennessee legislators have already passed such legislation with relative
ease.  you would think that if congress, et al. believe that the individual
states can administer programs such as welfare on their own, that they
could handle an issue like state recognition of same-sex marriages, as well.
just when i think we're making progress in this country toward tolerance and
respect, garbage like this rears its ugly head.  i will not be complacent.

peace and 4 more for clinton-gore,

joan :)

ok, i'm leaving the soapbox now...(g)

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date:         mon, 13 may 1996 23:18:00 edt
reply-to:     "christopher m. becker" <cmbecker@space.mit.edu>
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from:         "christopher m. becker" <cmbecker@space.mit.edu>
subject:      nigc: attn nields fans

a new email list has been formed that some folks here may be interestd
in.  passing along the info....


                                        -- chris

>
> hello!, ...
>
> what's this about?:
>
> a new online mailing list has been created for general discussion and
> announcements about the nields! it's called "the nields nook" and is now
> ready for you to subscribe and participate.
>
> how do i do that?:
>
> subscribe to the nields nook by sending an email to:
> majordomo@pobox.com
>
> with the message text of either:
> subscribe nields-nook
> ... or ...
> subscribe nields-nook-digest
>
> as notes are sent in to the nields nook, they're sent right out to everyone
> that has subscribed to the "nields-nook" and the notes are added to the
> nields-nook-digest.  the digest grows through the day and when it reaches a
> preset size  limit, the digest will be sent out to everyone that has
> subscribed to the "nields-nook-digest" ... then a new digest starts.
>
> if you like to get a lot of separate e-mails or want to get nields-nook
> postings in the most timely fashion, then subscribe to "nields-nook" if you'd
> rather get fewer, larger files and feel comfortable with a more or less once
> a day reading, then subscribe to the "nields-nook-digest"
>
> after you subscribe, you'll get an e-mail that describes the nields nook in
> greater detail and has instructions for posting notes.  if you have any
> questions prior to subscribing, just send an e-mail to
> nields-nook-owner@pobox.com
>
> why did i get this note?:
>
> you're receiving this e-mail because you've written in to the nieldsweb
> sometime over the past year.  sorry if you've received multiple copies of
> this note ... many, many dups were eliminated, but in some cases there were
> multiple addresses for people and it wasn't clear which was 'best.'
>
> that's all folks! ... have fun!!!
>


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date:         tue, 14 may 1996 03:19:46 gmt
reply-to:     jessie gilliam <gill45@usa.pipeline.com>
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from:         jessie gilliam <gill45@usa.pipeline.com>
subject:      amy ray in wurtzel

hello boys and girls:

in response to popular demand, i am publicly posting the elizabeth wurtzel
(the chick who wrote about amy ray...) -- the essay can be found in:

_surface tension:  love, sex, and politics between lesbians and straight
women_.  edited by meg daly -- a touchstone book published by simon and
schuster -- 1996 -- around 12 dollars.

i do not have the book personally but have heard it is generally
interesting --

take care,

jessie

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date:         mon, 13 may 1996 23:26:53 -0400
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from:         "<benjamin slavin>" <joansl@aol.com>
subject:      re: nigc--ani
x-to:         dresden5@aol.com

it's definately ah-ni because she says her name on her first album in one of
her songs.
talk to ya soon,
ben
i've only been home for one day and i'm going insane!

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date:         mon, 13 may 1996 23:39:47 edt
reply-to:     "christopher m. becker" <cmbecker@space.mit.edu>
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from:         "christopher m. becker" <cmbecker@space.mit.edu>
subject:      re: nigc - speaking of ani... seeking cd purchase advice
x-to:         rbsayre@aol.com
in-reply-to:  <960513211232_293458634@emout09.mail.aol.com>; from "richard
              sayre iii" at may 13, 96 9:12 pm

>
> :) speaking as someone who asked the same question a month ago & is totally
> thrilled that he did... i'd say just get one!!! :) right now the only one
> i've got is not a pretty girl which is in my humble opinion the
> shit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> so don't pass go, don't pick up 200 dollars, just go get it!!!!! :)


i'll second that.  not a pretty girl just rocks --  i think "shy" may be
one of my all-time favorite songs.

as long as were are plugging cd's, for that childhood nostolgia
craving, all of you 20 somethings pick up "schoolhouse rock rocks!"
some of the songs are just hysterical (deluxx folk implosion--"i'm
just a bill") and some are really good on their own right (moby--"verb")

                                -- chris

"i get my thing in action.... verb!  that's what's happening."

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date:         mon, 13 may 1996 22:48:32 -0500
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subject:      re: federal anti-gay legislation

well folks, here i go again.
]
on 13 may 96 at 23:08, joan morrison wrote:

> well folks, once again, it seems, the republican-led congress is talking out
> of both sides of its mouth.  isn't this the same congress that wants to reduce/
> limit the role of the federal government in our daily lives?

yes, but mostly they want to reduce/limit the role of federal
governement in the daily lives of business, especially big business.

remember this is the same congress that wants to legislate prayer in
schools. and then wants to dismember the environmental regulations
that prevent manufacturers from decimating our water, air, and lands.

it's obvious, to me anyhow, that what the congress wants to do is
legislate their particular view of morality and religion and let big
business do whatever the heck it wants in order to make huge profits.

their motto really should be "big brother: making life easier for
your business needs. making decisions for your personal needs"


> well, it seems they've had a change of heart, when it
> comes to the issue of same-sex marriages and state-to-state recognition
> thereof.

the reason the congress wants to pass legislation on a federal level
is that if individual states pass legislation banning same sex
marriages and then hawaii (yea hawaii! i  said go! go! go!) passes a
law legalizing same sex marriages, the laws prohibiting same sex
marriages will likely be overturned in federal court. the reason
being that the constituition says something to the effect (if anyone
out there is more legally minded then i , please correct me) that in
matters of legal contracts states must honor contracts granted in
another state. a kind of reciprocity. unfortunately off hand i can't
recall the exact priviso.

another interesting fact is that, and this is just what i understand
from reading, watching cnn and c-span, if (when?) congress did (does)
pass a law banning same sex marriages the supreme court would likely
throw it out as unconstitutional.

rember friends and neighbours:

i will not be complacent! i will not be complacent!

get out and vote. write your politicians. campaign for what you
believe is right.

raise your hands, raise your hands high.

as bob marley would say "get up stand up. stand up for your rights"

problemchild will now humbly ask your forgiveness for this ranting
(this shit just really, really, really ticks me off. does it show?)
and step down from his soapbox.

we now return you to your regularly scheduled listserve.


peace y'all
'
'
dan perkins
post-episodic clairvoyant
tour guide to the obvious
'
'
"their gonna give me a dna transplant
their gonna re arrange my molecules
some natuaral laws will have to bend
to get me from the shallow end of the
gene pool"
   -emily kaitz

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subject:      no, 1 2 3

during my trip to no, i found a meaning for "1 2 3."  i've been uneasy about
posting this because it doesn't really fit the ig afterglow which mostly
everyone has been describing...

my gf and i went to no to visit friends and see ig.  i used to live with
these friends and it was important for me to see them again because they are
both hiv + and i wasn't sure when i'd get the chance to see them again.
everything started out nicely but in a few days, personalities started to
clash (2 scorpios under 1 roof!) and things started to get tense.  my gf and
i spent more and more time away from them until we felt so uncomfortable that
we were glad to come home to california.

somewhere in between or around the friendly fire and both concerts, i was
able to have a very intense conversation with one of my friends.  i thanked
him for everything he taught me about life, love, and death.  i told him
about the light i feel in my soul and how i've been able to share it with
others.  i told him about the challenges i face and about the wonders of a
beautiful new friend in my life.  it was a very world falls kind of
conversation but i had the feeling that it would be our last.

towards the end of our stay, he and his lover were unneccesarily belligerant
to my gf so, naturally, i was shocked, offended, and unsure of how, or if, to
mitigate.  my friends have been under a lot of stress and over the years,
i've watched them transition from loving and kind to hateful and negative.  i
decided to stay out of it but i was, and am still, hurt.

i don't want to live that kind of life so i distanced myself from them.
"here's a chance to make a choice, are you aware of the fire beneath your
feet?"  my choice was to say goodbye to my friend of 7 years or go down with
him, to keep the valueable lessons learned or watch them disintigrate in a
sea of anger.  i chose to say goodbye but somewhere in my mind i could feel
the fear of letting go..."...there's nothing left between us, the fear
becomes a roar..."  that last conversation was a glimpse of a very powerful
friendship we had but it was also the force which continues to move me along
this path of my life.  "once that wheel is in motion, don't lose what you
have found..."  i can't keep looking back but even though i feel as though
i'm moving forward, sometimes i feel as if i'm on a merry-go-round and i'm
about to get thrown off...

"1 2 3 nothing's for free" the physical and mental work that helps me
maintain my sanity in a world where a virus can destroy a perfectly
magnificent life and friendship..."4 5 6 pick up the sticks and go home" quit
fighting and move forward.

i know that it may sound like i had a bad time in no but i really didn't.
seeing amy and emily was a sublime experience that has made me grateful for
being alive.  i was at both shows and saw some of y'all ( i was wearing a
psycho-delic black, silver and grey swirly shirt)-- i'm sorry that i didn't
say hello but i needed to be alone with the music.  i needed to sort through
everything that happened.  at the last half of the 5/4 show i was in the 3rd
row, happy, singing, dancing (sorry jen), soaking in the goodness which i so
desperately needed.  it was exactly what i needed to stop me from dwelling on
"all the details of this war..."

thanks for listening,
rachel

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