lifeblood: listlogs: 1996-06a


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date:         wed, 29 may 1996 14:43:37 +1000
reply-to:     michelle paddy <m.paddy@qut.edu.au>
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from:         michelle paddy <m.paddy@qut.edu.au>
subject:      rainy day records

hi everyone,

does anyone know if rainy day records email is down at the moment?  i've
sent two messages, one to rainy@mindspring.com and one to rainy@rainy.com,
and haven't received a response.  if it is down, does anyone know if they
have a fax number?  it's a bit to expensive to phone them from australia ;)

thanks!!
shelley

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date:         wed, 29 may 1996 01:47:34 -0700
reply-to:     karen <ktongson@ucla.edu>
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from:         karen <ktongson@ucla.edu>
subject:      nigc: big love to bonster

for all of you who scored the ksca cd w/ the bodacious music hall rendition
of "reunion," please join me in offering our favorite tundra grrrl, bonster,
lots of love, thank you's, worship, etc for keeping the list informed of my
numerous traumas and shenanigans. remeber, there'd be no cd's without the b!

btw, my modem's finally up and running (for those who may care, so you can
mail me at home, or continue mailing my work address which is
ktongson@getty.edu).
k.
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karen l. tongson
hedgehog extraordinaire,
diva of electronic emissions, dyke music junkie,
lit. aficionado and all around
product of suburban psychosis. ;-/
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date:         wed, 29 may 1996 07:59:44 -0400
reply-to:     susan swann <sswann@pace.atl.ga.us>
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from:         susan swann <sswann@pace.atl.ga.us>
organization: pace academy
subject:      may 30 concert in atlanta

if anyone out there knows where and when the ig are playing tomorrow, please
e-mail me.  tomorrow is my birthday, and i would die to see them.  thanks.


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date:         wed, 29 may 1996 08:57:47 -0500
reply-to:     d.perkin@access.texas.gov
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comments:     authenticated sender is <d.perkin@access.texas.gov>
from:         dan perkins <d.perkin@access.texas.gov>
subject:      re: 99-x atlanta (very important-igc)

on 28 may 96 at 14:06, a. nadyne hagon wrote:

> i heard this too . . . now, i understand that amy is playing at eddie's
> attic on the 30th, but i thought it was just her solo.  {not that amy is
> "just", but you know what i mean.}  anyway, the wnnx {99x} won't say
> anything more about it, just says that you have to do some detective
> work.
>
>

amy playing solo at a club? the girls getting together somewhere in
atlanta?

i have absolutely gotta move to atlanta!!

so, any of you atlanta folks out there, hows the local music scene??
anyone need a decent bass player???

peace,

dan

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date:         wed, 29 may 1996 07:10:23 -0700
reply-to:     kim fischer <rcn@prcn.org>
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from:         kim fischer <rcn@prcn.org>
subject:      least complicated

hey all...
it's been a couple of days since i last posted. did'ya all miss me, or did
you just breath a collective sigh of relief? ( "yesssss... saving majorly on
bandwidth.... yessss" ). actually... to anyone i owe personal e-mail to, i'm
sorry... got off track. see... aside from my very ill father-in-law ( cancer
) and once again fast deteriorating friend with the brain tumour( tom ), i
just learned that my dad ( a sweet old fellow of just goin' on ninety years
) also has cancer. he's old... so the treatments etc are more dangerous than
they would be helpful, therefor the disease must just be allowed to run its
course while dad is kept as comfortable as possible. it's taken a bit for me
to let things sink in + come to terms with the whole thing. not a good past
few days for me, to say the least.
and that sounds like a really horrible segue into the "song of the week"
topic...>:(
anyhow... i love lc just because it reminds me of the feeling i had while
growing up
( again - "hah!" ) of never quite fitting in. i always felt diffrnt from
everyone else. when i hear the words "learn the things i could never apply"
i just smile. i think about watching all the boys + girls at school etc.
pairing up... holding hands etc ( like the ones on the street in e's song )
and i remember how i wanted so much to just know what it was like to
naturally fall into that sort of thing. course... it never happened... i
just kind of learned how to walk the straight walk + talk the straight talk
+ pretend i was what i wasn't, and got married at eighteen. *sigh*. don't
ever do this, boys and girls. i shut out who i really am, and it's
definately very "quiet here since love fell asleep".... i know that's
probably *not* what e meant those words mean when she wrote em... :-) but
hey... it's only my ramble about what the song means to me.
there are all sorts of interesting angles this song could be looked at
from... for instance... what is "the least complicated" thing that was the
"hardest to learn"? does anyone know if the story abt the ring e bought for
someone is a true story, and if so, what's it about? and... what would
happen to a bowl of grapenuts if it they were dropped from "two stories
above the street"?
peace all.... kim

<kim fischer>
rcn@prcn.org
***************
i am woman!
i am strong!
( i am tired )
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date:         wed, 29 may 1996 12:22:56 -0400
reply-to:     jennings_sharon/furman@furman.edu
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from:         "<sharon jennings>" <jennings_sharon/furman@furman.edu>
subject:      eddie's attic (nigc)

hi folks,

i have never been to atlanta before so i need
directions to eddie's attic for thursday. if i
arrive by greyhound bus, how far is the bus station
from eddie's?alternatively, if i drive to atlanta
from greenville, sc i will be on road 83... can
someone give me directions please? american cities
totally confuse me and i'm directionally challenged
at the best of times so any help would be very much
appreciated.

many thanks
sharon

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date:         wed, 29 may 1996 09:46:10 edt
reply-to:     howard barlow/ssi1 <howard_barlow/ssi1.ssi1@notes-gw.tus.ssi1.com>
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from:         howard barlow/ssi1 <howard_barlow/ssi1.ssi1@notes-gw.tus.ssi1.com>
subject:      laguna seca daze

hi everyone,
i thought that i would share the laguna seca daze experience
with you since an x-indigo girl was there along with ani difranco.
the event was at the laguna seca race track in monterey ca.
they had camping right at the event.  most people camped and
and walked from their campsite to the shows.  there were 2 full
days of music.  it attracted a lot of dead head types, since bob
wier and micky hart (both from the grateful dead)  were there.
camping was really fun too.  everyone pitched in and helped
to clean things up after each show.  wavy gravy was there to
lead the mime, yoga, and meditation festivities at the evis
tent.  they had a parade on the last day.   there was a lot of
positive energy and good vibes :)

there were a lot of great acts,  but ani difranco really was fantastic.
she had these black braids in her hair, kind of looked like dread
locks.  these really funky shades and a very bright lime green
sweater on.  needless to say, she looked very cool.  and up on
stage with her, was her drummer (does anyone know his name?)
and guess who, that's right sarah lee.  as much as we will miss
her with the girls, i think that it was a good move for sarah as well
as for ani.  it really helped ani to have a bass player and another
female on the stage.  sarah did not try to take away any of ani's
glory, but really added to the show.  sarah seemed have more
of a stage presence with ani than she did with the girls.  they
could get together and do jams and such.

she opened with worthy and moved quickly to her new songs.
i really loved her new songs.  i guess that i had better go out and
get her new cd.   she did one of her socs or whatever it is called
when she rambles off one of her rhymes that she does so well.
that was the first time i have seen her do that live.  she even did
some songs especially for this show.  she was absolutely
hilarious too.  everyone i talked to really loved her.

c'yall later,

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date:         wed, 29 may 1996 12:02:50 -0500
reply-to:     diana bernice sweeten <m_c_01f6@frank.mtsu.edu>
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from:         diana bernice sweeten <m_c_01f6@frank.mtsu.edu>
subject:      re: northland in the springtime - here's one for weird al
x-to:         andrews sarah <andrews@cs.concordia.ca>
in-reply-to:  <9605241812.aa12049@manitou.cs.concordia.ca>

cute!  i like it!  i'm sure that a and e would find it amusing!

allison

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date:         wed, 29 may 1996 13:25:58 edt
reply-to:     pca@apollo.robins.af.mil
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from:         pca@apollo.robins.af.mil
subject:      99-x concert

i called the red light cafe last night to see if emily was actually
going to be playing with amy ray on thursday night. the guy said that
he didn't have her down as playing...but the indigo girls would be
playing tonite there. (you might want to call again to verify...isn't
the benefit for gerard mchugh there tonite?)

-sherry

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date:         wed, 29 may 1996 12:56:06 -0500
reply-to:     d.perkin@access.texas.gov
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from:         dan perkins <d.perkin@access.texas.gov>
subject:      ig in mpls? & why some don't like ig

hi y'all,

well, last week i posted about why some people like ig and some don't
. when i checked my e-mail this morning i had some responses that
said it may be as simple as individual tastes (imagine sound of dan
slapping his forehad with his hand)...duh..it's such a simple
thing... individual taste. i guess to me the music of ig has become
such an important aspect of my life, that someone saying they don't
like ig is like someone saying they don't like to breathe oxygen...i
suppose it's possible... i just don't understand it.

ok.. soooo.... does anyone out there have any firm information on
possible ig shows in minneapolis in september??

if ig is going to play at northrop in minneapolis i would love to
talk to anyone who plans to go about possibly attending the show
together.

i used to live in minneapolis (a long, long time ago), but don't
really know anyone there now.  but if ig is playing there i want to
be there and would like to go to the show with some other ig fans..
so, anyone interested, please e-mail me.

peace y'all,
'
'
dan perkins,
,
"now i'm trying to get back
where i know that i should be,
ohh, i was hoping i was just
a temporary absentee..       "
                    -gerard mchugh

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date:         wed, 29 may 1996 14:10:35 -0400
reply-to:     strangefire <mccranie@ewirb-wr.robins.af.mil>
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from:         strangefire <mccranie@ewirb-wr.robins.af.mil>
subject:      99-x atlanta ig concert

ok, i don't know if ya'll received my original message...since my
account is on the blinks. but, i called the red light cafe and they
said it was true that amy ray is playing on thursday (by herself) and
the indigo girls will be playing tonite...(isn't that the benefit for
gerard mchugh?)

(tonite = wednesday, may 29)
soooo, i don't know what time the show begins. you'll have to call the
red light cafe.

-sherry <--feeling like a sleuth

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date:         wed, 29 may 1996 14:28:43 -0400
reply-to:     michelldlr@aol.com
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from:         "michelle m. de la rosa" <michelldlr@aol.com>
subject:      introduction & questions

hi!  i am very new to the list so i thought i would take a moment and
introduce myself.  my name is michelle and i live in dallas, texas with my
life partner, amanda, who is a *really big* indigo girls fan and the one who
made an ig fan out of me.  i'm sharing the mailing list messages with her so
at times y'all may see a message from her.

i have a couple of questions i'm sure someone out there can answer.

the first is - - what was emily's reference to strawberries?

the second - - is anyone a member of the ig fan club or have information
about the fan club?  i've sent an email to the internet address i found for
the fan club requesting details such as cost and benefits, and have yet to
hear back from them.

thanks in advance for answers to the above!

michelle m. de la rosa  :-)
michelldlr@aol.com

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date:         wed, 29 may 1996 14:40:11 -0400
reply-to:     "a. nadyne hagon" <ahagon@st6000.sct.edu>
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from:         "a. nadyne hagon" <ahagon@st6000.sct.edu>
organization: southern college of technology
subject:      argh!  (nigc)

once upon a time, i did a newbie offer.  and that went off pretty well,
except for one little thing:

one of the folks that i copied the tape for said that she would, if i
sent her a vcr tape, copy for me the ig disney special.  so, i got that
in the mail.  but i haven't heard from her since.

i wouldn't mail the list like this, but my school's system crashed again,
and took my mailbox with it.

in other words, could the person who said they'd copy that for me email
me?  i haven't seen hide nor hair of that show . . .

thanks!
nadyne.

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date:         wed, 29 may 1996 19:57:35 -0500
reply-to:     solerm@uv.es
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from:         "manuel.soler@uv.es manuel soler" <solerm@uv.es>
subject:      ig and spain

please, does anyboy know wether the girls have toured, been to, or
whatsoever in spain?
are they planning to give a concert in spain ever?

i need to know!

manuel soler

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date:         wed, 29 may 1996 19:38:30 gmt
reply-to:     andrew stokell <rbc31@dial.pipex.com>
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from:         andrew stokell <rbc31@dial.pipex.com>
subject:      nigc - other great artists though!

hey guys!

are there any u.s. members out there who watch the "austin music network"
regularly? i ask for this simple reason - might you have taped these shows
which were on earlier this week, and will be on thursday and saturday?

saturday 25 may 6pm     tex mix 110
tuesday 28 may  1am     tori amos special
thursday 30 may 9pm     tex mix 117
saturday 1 june 2.30pm  tex mix 076

o.k. so it's nigc, but the three tex mix shows feature vids by mcc, shawn
colvin & michelle shocked.
if you've taped any of these shows, don't wipe them, what was actually on?
anything unusual?

anyone?


andrew

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date:         wed, 29 may 1996 19:47:12 gmt
reply-to:     andrew stokell <rbc31@dial.pipex.com>
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from:         andrew stokell <rbc31@dial.pipex.com>
subject:      nigc - michelle shocked

for richard and any other u.k. fans of michelle shocked out there, just found
these provisional tour dates (i'm afraid that's all i know for now folks!)

michelle shocked 1996 tour dates in uk & ireland (venues unknown as yet)

june 1996
        1       birmingham
        2       leeds
        3       newscastle
        4       glasgow

september 1996
        1       london
        2       manchester
        3       edinburgh
        5       belfast
        6       dublin


andrew

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date:         wed, 29 may 1996 15:16:13 gmt
reply-to:     patricia hite <phite@cybergate.net>
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from:         patricia hite <phite@cybergate.net>
subject:      least complicated

since i love reading all of your wonderful interpretations i thought i'd
start writing my opinion.

least complicated:
even though this song is so "listenable" emily still deals with some pretty
serious subjects.  it seems as though she has lost her youth and innocence
in a way, and now has developed a shield between her and future lovers
(gonna have to recall it isn't love it's only something new).  at the same
time however i notice that this can happen in almost every relationship.
once we get close to someone and let down our guard we'll do anything for
that person (skipping my class...running from school...bought you that
ring..etc.) and in the end when the relationship ends we promise ourselves
we'll be smarter next time.  the fact of the matter is we never learn. it's
just a cycle. hence, "the hardest to learn was the least complicated". it
seems so obvious you'd think we'd learn but we never will.  just one angle....


thanks for readin'---rob

p.s.  i love the line about "just stick the right formula in, a solution for
every fool" because i'm hating calculus and always wonder why this is what
they teach us in school.

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date:         wed, 29 may 1996 17:40:06 -0400
reply-to:     cardigan <benorea@river.it.gvsu.edu>
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from:         cardigan <benorea@river.it.gvsu.edu>
subject:      where is everyone?

is it my email, or has there been a lull on the list?  i have only
received about 3 emails from the list all day, and i am afraid for some
reason that i have been disconnected...any comments?

aim

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date:         wed, 29 may 1996 13:12:55 -0700
reply-to:     krae <krae@atlcom.net>
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from:         krae <krae@atlcom.net>
subject:      amy at eddie's

to: allison, strangefire & anyone else interested...


  i called eddie's and they said a is performing solo. she didn't know
anything about em. she said a is doing one set around 9:30.
we'll have to wait and see...

not sure if you already have this info so sorry if this is a repost...
haven't seen any posts come in sinse yesterday...


                                                            see ya~

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date:         thu, 30 may 1996 02:38:22 -0400
reply-to:     indigojrny@aol.com
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from:         digest jeanne stuart <indigojrny@aol.com>
subject:      why hasn't anyone posted

i'm feeling like i unsubsribed & didn't know it. their hasn't been any posts.
well , i'll be attending the eddie's attic show tommorrow. i'll let you know
how it is.

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date:         thu, 30 may 1996 08:18:47 edt
reply-to:     bertin lefkovic <indigboy@eden.rutgers.edu>
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from:         bertin lefkovic <indigboy@eden.rutgers.edu>
subject:      where is everybody???

all is not well in indigoland.

peace

bert

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date:         thu, 30 may 1996 08:55:45 -0500
reply-to:     holly hickman <hickman@baste.magibox.net>
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from:         holly hickman <hickman@baste.magibox.net>
subject:      nigc test - trash


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date:         thu, 30 may 1996 15:27:31 gmt
reply-to:     h.burningham@ulst.ac.uk
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from:         helene burningham <h.burningham@ulst.ac.uk>
organization: university of ulster
subject:      honor the earth

i'm really excited because i've just been up to my departmental mail
box and there was a letter from the us there...and inside a flyer
from honor the earth, with a merchandise list, message from ig
etc...it was such a surprise...and there are so many cool things that
i want to buy...just got to work out how i order/pay for things from
the states...if anyone from the uk has had experience in these
'matters' i'd sure like to know!
where is everyone today anyway...i haven't had a message in over 24
hours.
talk to y'all (i hope :) !) later
love helene


"steer clear of the shore, the coast is rough and rocky"   kate wolf

helene burningham <h.burningham@ulst.ac.uk>
coastal research group
department of environmental studies
university of ulster
coleraine bt52 1sa
northern ireland
44(0)1265 324010

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date:         thu, 30 may 1996 10:45:11 -0400
reply-to:     mtngrl6@aol.com
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subject:      happy birthday!!! (may 30, 1996)
x-cc:         sswann@pace.atl.ga.us, chousel@grove.ufl.edu, brust@dickinson.edu

happy birthday christine, jenny, and susan!!!

"this is my home, the country where my heart is, here are my hopes and
dreams, my holy shrine..."

"...we swore to ourselves we'd go to the end of the world but i got caught up
in [the] whirl and twirl of it all a day in the sun dancing alone..."

"...the boy and girl are holding hands on the street and i don't want to but
i think you just wait it's more than just eye to eye learn the things i could
never apply..."

birthday folks:
chousel@grove.ufl.edu (christine)
brust@dickinson.edu (jenny)
sswann@pace.atl.ga.us (susan)
"finlandia" (sibelius)
"fugitive"
"least complicated"
*:);)*

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subject:      pal versions of "live at the uptown" & "watershed" wanted

do any aussie readers know whether the two ig videos are available in oz?

they're not available here in the uk, and my vcr can't play ntsc tapes.

if they are available, can you recommend a mail order company that ships
to the uk.

finally does anyone know what the tracks are on the bonus cd of the oz
issue of "1200 curfews"?

groovy times.......richard

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subject:      j. hunter and k. vittek -- this is for you!

hey -- my netscape blew up the other night - and i lost all my email :(
karen, i was wondering if you could resend the amy soc's if you still
had them, and j.h., i'm not sure where we were in our trade -- let me
know!  thanks to both of you

rebecca.
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michelle shocked

"the world was meant for me, don't bury me"
amy ray

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subject:      help!  i can't resubscribe!

i can't believe i'm sending one of these messages i hate so much!  karma
kicks my ass again.

i've been unsubscribed and can't get back on.  tried resubscribing.
please, you folks out there who've done it all before, help me!

thanks
chris ii

"was it something i said?"

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subject:      list

why have i not received any mail off of the list? what's wrong?

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subject:      nigc-attn:  jon miner

jon,
please send me your e-mail address.
i need some t-shirt info.
thanks,
rena

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subject:      re: i(*$%&^@!+=\~~~ (the martian chronicles )

hey y'all....
i have seen a brave new world in a galaxy far far away and it was....
uh....uh... okay, what was i saying?... something about a galaxy far far
away... it was... it was...uh,  i forget...
oh well... peace + happy resumed posting... kim.

<kim fischer>
rcn@prcn.org
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i am woman!
i am strong!
( i am exhausted )
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subject:      i'm not receiving messages...

hey..

i am not receiving any messages from the list and i need to know if, for
some reason, it disconnected, or if i got dropped from the list.  can
someone let me know what is going on?

thx..

love
aim

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subject:      anyone trading w/jenifer m.

hello all--

for all of those folks who are trading with me, please email me privately
for updates or whatever info you need.  i'll be leaving the list.  *sniff*

i'm finally leaving this uni, so i won't be around to check my email as
often--sorry (that's why i have to unsubscribe).  there are one or two ppl
who are sending me sase's for stuff, please remember to include a note
reminding me what you want taped, ok?  thanks.  ben, jeremy, i haven't
forgotten you.  i'll send you're stuff out asap.

thanks y'all!!

jenifer
s013jem@discover.wright.edu
or
s013jem@deseire.wright.edu

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subject:      graduating! (; another farewell.  );

well, after eight years of hard work (working 2-4 jobs at a time and
*attempting* to have a life while attending classes), i'm finally
finishing my ba.  i tell ya, i learned *my* lesson about changing unis
mid-degree. *bleck*

i'm in my last week's worth of coursework and will be glad to be able to
list this as an accomplishment, but i doubt i'll miss most aspects of this
craziness. (i will however miss my internet acct. and this list!)

my gf and i are planning to move to il--near the u of i in
urbana/champaigne at the end of june.  i'll be losing my acct.--since it's
thru the uni, so i need to say g'bye.

i've really enjoyed getting to know some of the folks on this list.
thanks for all the fun and info--and the great tape trees and trades!

take care, y'all.

jenifer

p.s. i can be reached via private email thru june:
s013jem@discover.wright.edu

bye!!!

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subject:      hey-dee, hi-dee, ho-dee!  i'm back!  some nigc.....;)

hey ya'll!

i am back from my brief respite with the 'rents and others in good old middle-
of-farm-country pennsylvania!  was a great vacation.  went to nyc, saw tori
amos at the theatre at madison square garden for free!, saw her again at the
landmark theatre in syracuse, went on the finger lakes wine trail, and got to
see my buddy from that georgia mecca atlanta!  he delivers pizza and he told
me that one night her had to deliver a pizza to some woman in an apartment
complex who lives two doors down from emily.  he knows this because he had to
of course, read the names on the mailboxes and he saw e. saliers on one of them.now, whether or not this is our e is a question, and no, he did not see her, butjust the idea that it is her was enough to make him ecstatic.  he also drove by
a playing softball one time because he saw her thiscloseup, and he made a
positive id on her.  ok, enough on the sightings and whatnot of the ig....i
just wanted to post and tell everyone i am back.

and to amy, sunny, and bon......i am making your boots at god-speed.  i left
what you wanted here at school by accident when i went home.....however, the
stereo is on a roll!  i'll hurry!

later-

karrie


                    "water retention is not new to me....."
                               -emily saliers

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subject:      z100 radio in ny

hi again everyone ...

for anyone in the tri-state are (ny/nj/ct) who may listen to z100 100.3fm ...
i was on my way to work thursday morning (6:30 am) and listening to z100 ...
one of the dj's, elliot, was commenting on his 4 favorite bands "of the week"
... well 1 thru 3 were not that off-beat, but #4 ....... indigo girls .....
well - the last time i heard ig on z100 was about 1 1/2 years ago and it was
because the girls were playing z100's acoustic christmas ...  anyways - i had
to call and comment on it -- so at 6:45 am i was live on z100 asking elliot
about his love of ig - he said they're very cool - one of his favorite bands
always - and that z100 does play them, but he would put a word into the
station manager for more air-time of the girls ...

go z100 ...

oh - one other thing ... i'm catering a small (20 people) party today with my
sister -- one of the guests ... natalie merchant ... more later ...

chris

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subject:      :)

hey everybody.

this is just an apology who anyone who may not have gotten my little martian
joke post.  i was only jokin'!  i was only jokin' brother!!

tamara

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subject:      chapel hill boot-caps and geminis

hey y'all!

to everyone who has already sent me tapes for the chapel hill boot:
i'm working on them, but they are incredibly backed up, so i'm sorry if
you haven't received yours yet.  i think i still have 25 left, and i know
i've already sent more than that.  in any case, please bear with me, and i'll
get it to you as soon as possible.

to everyone else:  please stop sending me requests for the tape, or giving
my address to other people.  i'm happy to make copies for anyone who wants
one, but i can't handle all this right now.  i believe this offer is more than
a month old, and i am still receiving tapes in the mail at a rate of 3-4 per
day.  if i can make more tapes in the future, i'll make sure to let y'all know.
i don't mean to sound...well, mean...really i don't!  it's just a lot of work,
ya know? :)

take care everyone, and see y'all in newport!!! :)

sue

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subject:      re: ksca: music hall cd-vol.2
x-to:         sanawike1@aol.com

at 09:52 pm 5/31/96 -0400, someone wrote:

>though many kind souls have offered to dub the new cd (you know, that
>one with the live "reunion" on it...) i still would like to find a way to get
>it on cd...i was just wondering if there's anyone out there to whom
>i've not yet spoken who is able to get a copy of this... i am willing to do
>many, many demeaning things for the kind soul who can assist me.

hi all,

there were only 10,000 copies of this cd that were pressed.
so it should go out of print within a few weeks.

i hope that people will wait until it is officially out of print before
they start dubbing it.

50% of the profits of this disc go to the surfrider foundation
which is dedicated to the protection and enhancement of the
worlds waves and beaches through conservation, research,
education and local activisism.

since i live just a few miles from the virgin megastore in
hollywood i would be willing to get discs for the next 10
people that email me.  to be fair to digest members and
people who only have access at work,  i'll wait until tuesday 6/4
at noon pacific time  (3pm eastern)  for requests.

i figure if you want it bad enough, you'll remember that time
to check in.  all i ask is cost plus shipping and handling.

michael  :-)

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subject:      admin: what was up with the list

fyi...

there was a small problem with the server that caused listserv to not
deliver mail for a bit.  once it restarted, it set to working on it's
queue.  everything will come through, fear not.

in general, if something is up with the list, it's better to just sit
tight and see what happens.  90% of the time, the problem will fix
itself quickly, and that way we don't all come back to 2 tons of "what
happened to the list??" email that won't get through until the list is
back up, anyway.. :)

   -jude

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subject:      flagpole (itsy,bitsy igc)

hey!
     since my mailbox has been so quiet the last couple of days, i've
had to resort to hang'in ten on the net in order to suitable
procrastinate my day away.  i did manage to come-up with a couple of
nuggets, tho, and i'll share...
     point your browser to  http://www.flagpole.com and check out the
issue from may 22.  there's an article with brief interviews with
michelle malone, cooper seay, and, um, and - yikes! i forget the
other artist!  anyway, y'all ought to be checking this site weekly
and reading my pal a. colombo's column, the surface.  if you had been,
you'd have seen the review of ani's new albumn dilate.  hmmm, i
think they reviewed her show there a couple of weeks ago and a couple
of months ago they reviewed vld's ghvol1  (<---- like that?).
     well, the daemon web site is no longer black.  it's green.
candy apple green?  atomic green?  which brings to mind the fact that
in looking at the tour dates for some of the daemon acts, a couple of
them seem to be appearing at the atomic music whats-it-called in
athens on 6/13 for something referred to as "daemon showcase" - a
nebulous comment which may indicate that a few favorite atlanta
artists may show up in athens that night, for those of you lucky
enough to live in the area.  hmmm, i'm just guessing at this stuff,
tho.
     guess i'll stop there before the bandwidth police get on my case.

remember                                          peace
                           maureen

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subject:      1990 article:  over at amys

i am working on adding some new material to the lifeblood web site (about
100 new articles) and thought you guys might enjoy this one.

the new stuff should be on the web site in the next couple of weeks, if you
have not checked it out there is a ton of ig info there.  the url is
http://www.hidwater.com/lifeblood

there is also a lot of good artist and music info, including chris mcguires
(formerly of the ellen james society, which is mentioned in the article) new
band mary fortune express on our host site at
http://www.hidwater.com

if you enjoy this kind of stuff send me a private email (i am not longer on
the list) and i will post some more.

best wishes

carolyn

*****************************************

february 27, 1990
footnotes

over at amy's at home with the indigo girls

by cheli brown

"hey, c'mon in,"  amy ray said from the couch of her soon to be
reupholstered decatur apartment.  "we've got about 30 minutes 'cause we've
got to practice.  is that okay?"

absolutely.

amy ray, 25, and emily saliers, 26, atlanta's own indigo girls, will be home
practicing until may except for a two-week april tour of the northeast to
test the songs they've been writing for the new album, due out in the fall.

but they did make it california to perform and to accept a grammy last
wednesday in the contemporary folk album category.  the hometown crowd at
the trackside tavern in decatur was watching on tv.

trackside manager eddie owen paced like an expectant father as awards given
previously in the day were announced.  "i've know amy since she was 11 years
old," he said wednesday night.  "i met her at the decatur baptist church."
he shook his head, those two, they're just my real good friends."

the indigo girls were the first live act to ever grace the trackside stage 4
years ago, according to owen, and have been regular buddies of the bar's
patron's for years.  owen first saw them perform at the dugout near emory,
where they recorded a partially-live tape in 1985 called "blue food."

despite the girls' loss in the best new artist category to milli  vanilli
(upon which award trackside regular and local musician  ashley wilson yelled
"ug!  is there a line for the bathroom?  is  there?  yuck!") the bar went
bananas when the contemporary  folk award was announced, and the stereo
system broke into  "closer to fine" as the cheering and bar beating subsided.

of course, everyone there knew and sang all the words.

but in an interview at amy's disheveled apartment a week before the grammy
ceremony, the indigo girls said that even if they  won an award, it wouldn't
change them or their music at all.

"but, they say if you win, it's very good for your career,"  emily said,
smiling.  "name recognition."

after appearing on "late night with david letterman," "the  today show,"
"the pat sajak show" and other tv programs, the girls are gathering name
recognition like an old guitar gathers scratches.  but no amount of
publicity will change their priorities.  they are playing two sold-out
benefit concerts at the roxy march 4 and 5, with proceeds going to the
decatur- based georgia center for children, a private non-profit
organization offering therapy to sexually abused children.

"we do benefits because we think the groups are effective and that's the
focus of our break, as far as out playing - just doing benefits,"  amy said.
"any show we do in atlanta from here  on out is probably going to end up
being a benefit, even our big concerts, just because we know there's going
to be a crowd  there and we're going to have a supportive group of people
that we can count on, so we can give the money to whoever  we're trying to
help."

executive director nancy copeland-aldridge said the georgia center for
children hopes to receive $20,000 from the two shows.

benefits aside, writing new songs for the new record and seeing local
performers at the little five points pub and the trackside tavern are also
high on the girls' atlanta agenda.

"my writing has been influenced by the ellen james society a lot this year,
to be truthful about it,"  amy said.  "my chord structure." she has joined
the ellen james society on stage numerous times for impromptu concerts at
the little five points pub.

"sometimes you don't hear a direct influence in the music," emily said.
"but just the fact that you go out and hear all those different people play,
it just inspires you more than anything else.  it's  inspirational, rather
than specifically influential."

they credit local artists like caroline aiken, kristen hall,  michelle
malone and gerard mchugh with contributing to the  creative juices that have
kept the girls writing songs.

"i spend a lot of time keeping journals and writing things and then trying
to channel it,"  amy said.  "i'm the stream of consciousness sort.  then i
sit down and try to fit all the ideas  into a song structure."

with a song structure in mind, the petite brunette gets a tape recorder, and
with her notes in her hand, she sings to whatever melody she can think of,
creating an unstructured song base for further refining.

"i had a really hard time writing for a long time and i think it was because
i was being very controlled," she said.  "when i started being a little
freer with it, all of the sudden i wrote all these songs."

emily, a tall strawberry blonde, said her songwriting technique  involves
writing the music and the words at the same time, and she can tell a
difference in the songs she has written recently. "i think i've gotten a
little more patient with writing a song," she said, leaning forward on the
couch.  "it used to be that i'd grab the first two lines that kind of rhymed
together and in a  lot of my older songs you can tell that i fit the second
line in because it rhymed with the first line.  now i'm a little more
patient as far as waiting for the true line to come through."

emily's musical tastes revolve around folk singer-songwriters, including
joni mitchell and james taylor, and country singers like lyle lovett and
nancy griffith.  she places more emphasis on a song's words.  lyrics have
been included on the record sleeves of both epic records, "indigo girls,"
which sold over  500,000 copies, and the re-released "strange fire," from
the earlier independent record days.

"that's the main focus of the songs for me," she said.  "that's the most
important part of the song, unless you are listening to party music or
something.  it's important for people to know  what we're saying in case
they can't understand the words, which happens a lot.  people misinterpret
the lines.  there's no point of interpretation for the music.  it's just
there."

"i think the music is equally important,"  says amy, who prefers alternative
rock 'n' roll.  "but to me, you can hear the music, so you don't need to
write in [on the record sleeve]."

the voices and the harmonies of the decatur natives, as well as the honesty
of the lyrics, initially attracted epic a & r director roger klein, who
received a copy of "strange fire" from former cbs college rep tom simonson.

"i liked it, but it wasn't until i got to see them live that i was really
knocked out by them,"  he said.  "the real pretty melodies and all the
harmonies that they do.  just a lot of real honest music.  that's what
really got to me."

they signed an eight record contract with epic in 1988, and  were allowed
almost total creative control, klein said.  "i just figured that they were
real good at what they did and 'if it's not  broke, why fix it?'"

"for some reason our voices just blend," amy said.  "emily is more the
musician who i can say 'sing the harmony' to and she just sings the harmony.
if she tells me to sing the harmony she has to go 'five-three-one' and write
down the notes."

"this is how i learn one of emily's songs,"  amy said, holding up several
sheets of paper covered with lyrics and notes.  then she grabbed a single
sheet of paper from the coffee table.  on it were handwritten words for a
new song.  she held it up.  "this is all it takes for emily to learn one of
my songs,"  she said, and laughed.

"but amy brings her voice, her style, to my songs,"  emily  said.  "she
brings guts and passion and a rock 'n' roll thing to  my stuff."

for the new record, the girls and their producer, scott litt,  hope to let
their southern flair shine through and create a  "raw" record with a
cohesive feel to it.

"we're looking for a tone,"  emily said.  "this album will be  more like bob
dylan's news album sounds.  it's got a sound to  it."

"the tone thing is like this abstract idea that all of us agree on, but we
don't know what it is,"  amy said.  "something within. if we played the
whole thing live in the studio it would give it a little more live feeling.
i have a feeling this album is going to be more underground."

litt is concerned about what kind of feeling the girls will put in their
lyrics and music on the second album.

"a lot of debut artists have trouble with the second record because they
haven't had time to really formulate the sound and they're on the road and
then all of a sudden, they're in the studio trying to follow up success.
it's hard not to feel the pressure," he said.

"i think that this record will be more personal, if that's possible, than
the last one,"  litt said.  "it will be a little more of an experimental
record and i think we'll try some things that'll be a little different for
them, as far as putting ambiance to it, a mood to it.  i'd look for maybe a
little blues on it."

amy said they're not writing songs specifically for the new album.  "we just
write a bunch of songs then pick later.  we're writing anyway, so it kinda
works out,"  she said.  "it just kind of falls into place."

and they don't write songs with the intention of getting radio air play,
emily said.  "we would rather just build it slowly, grassroots, and have
people know us for the whole scope of our music, rather than be know by one
song."

and known they are.  after touring with r.e.m., neil diamond (typists note,
yes the article said neil diamond.  should be neil young), the 10,000
maniacs, the violent femmes, and headlining a tour by themselves, the girls
have developed a following for  their haunting angst-ridden folk music.  the
venues will be  getting a little bigger than the 2,000 to 3,000-seat places
they  played when they headlined.

their music, which is chocked full o' spiritual imagery, translates just as
well in large arenas as it does in the smaller places they prefer to play,
according to emily.  "i think [the music] brings people together in a way
that other things do not.  it kind of  transcends differences.  that makes
it special."

while other little 9-year-olds were playing softball or watching cartoons,
amy and emily, then unknown to each other, turned to guitars.  they met
later at laurel ridge elementary school, but their destiny wasn't set until
a pta gong show at shamrock high school.  amy, then 15, ended up playing
alone, but the duo had been rehearsing together.  playing together felt good
enough to continue.

they first played together as the indigo girls while attending emory
university, where amy earned a degree in english and religion and emily
earned a degree in english.

the emory crowd has remained loyal, and still requests some of the earlier
indigo girls songs from "blue food."  "we don't know them anymore, though,"
emily said.  "last night we played at trackside (nbc was filming the footage
of them that ran sunday, feb. 25 at 8 a.m. - ed. note.) and we got a list
from a  bunch of people who used to come hear us all the time.  we only knew
about five out of 15."

with the re-release of "strange fire," newer fans were able to  get a
glimpse of the girls' earlier work.  "i thought it was a  great album and it
wasn't in print anymore,"  klein said.  "i thought that people should hear
it and have a little idea of what they were doing on their own to put
everything in perspective."

though the album received less than favorable reviews, it retains
sentimental value for the girls.  "as far as 'strange fire' goes, we don't
care what anybody says,"  amy said.

"it's a reflection of a certain time in our songwriting," emily added.  "bad
reviews used to hurt our feelings, but now we really don't really care about
them because we know that people are responding to the music and what it
means and that's all that matters."

with "indigo girls" going gold and winning a grammy, it  appears people are
responding in droves to the optimism in cuts like the upbeat "closer to
fine" as well as the raw passion in cuts like "blood and fire."

"it's a love song," amy said about "blood and fire."  she fidgeted.  "it's
about a relationship that was important to me in a self-destructive way.  it
took a long time to write it, a couple of years to get through it.  it
expresses a kind of love that a lot of people feel at one time in their
lives.  it's the obsessive compulsive love, which is very, very dangerous."

inspired to write "closer to fine" while taking a vacation with her parents,
emily reflected on her friends' troubling times.

"i started to think about the ways that we try to solve our problems, and
the songs is about a quest for balance in life,"  she said.  "it's saying we
put all our stock into religion or a therapist or into a  vacation or things
like that.  it's better to take all things into account, rather than think
that one source is going to give you all the answers to your problems."

both of the girls have religious backgrounds that they use to draw images
for their songs.

"we both grew up in the methodist church," emily said.  "so we know the
bible kind of like a second language."

"'a second language?'  yeah, i've got it memorized!" amy said, laughing.

"well, you know what i mean," emily said, amused.

touring takes its toll, but when the two have a break, they have enough time
to see family and friends and to gain back the weight they lose when they
tour.

     "i've gained weight from being home,"  amy said.  "we get home and
drink all that beer and eat late-night stuff,  y'know?  we definitely lose
weight on the road.  if you think about it, it's like doing aerobics every
night because you're dancing around and you work out before you start."

late night stuff doesn't include meat for amy, who's a vegetarian.  "you are
too, aren't you emily?"  she said.

"no.  i just gave up everything...with a face," and she laughed.

could they give up the success they've achieved as easily?

"well, my rent's really cheap, so it wouldn't matter,"  amy said.  "i think
that's why i'm hanging on to this apartment."

"we'd just play in bars like we did for eight years before we got signed,"
emily said.  "we're just normal people writing songs about what we're going
through.  we don't really have any pretension about what we do.  we just go
out there and sing, and we're goofy and we don't wear nice clothes.  the
only reason we're there is to sing the songs.  i think people know that."

absolutely.

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subject:      re: newport folk fest t shirt offer

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hi everyone,
i've also been having trouble posting, but i'll try again.
please respond asap so i know it's been received.
thanks!
rena
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hi everyone,
i've been a list member for 2 years.  it's been great to maintain a sense=
of
connection during a year of few ig appearances.
=0d
during the anticipation of the no jazz fest, i noticed some plans for a
t-shirt and wonder if it ever materialized?  there were many suggestions =
for
quotes that i wish i saved because i created a t-shirt design for the new=
port
folk festival.
i'm not able to scan it, but would consider sending it to someone who cou=
ld
as long as it didn't take too long, but i'll do my best to describe it.
=0d
size:  roughly 10 inches wide x 12 inches high
color:  white shirt (cheapest, and it would look best) 100% cotton
           sizes are adult s m l xl (xxl =3d$2 more)
design:  a silhouette of amy (on left) and emily (on right) playing guita=
r.
it comes from =

             the least complicated video where a film of them playing is
shown in the
             background while they sit in the foreground.  it's about 1
minute into the video.
             ("...i remember the time i came so close to you..." right ar=
ound
there)
             this will be dark blue/violet at the top and gradually shift=
to
light blue by their =

             feet.  there's a thin rectangular border around them (same c=
olor
treatment), and
             a 2-row checkered border around that which will be the same
color as the text.
             centered below them:  indigo girls  (font choice=3dmistral)
=0d
so far the cost looks like this:  shirt between $4.30-$5.20 (depending up=
on
weight)
                                             2 screens @ 1.50 ea.
                                             3 colors @ .30 ea
                                                              .60 (hand b=
leed
process)
=0d
_____________________________________
                                          $8.50 (not including shipping)
priority mail is $3.00 within the u.s.  it's fast and they provide the
envelope.
it also does not account for any printing on the back of the shirt.
(possible an extra $1.85/ to be a group decision as long as there can be =
an
agreement on what to print).
=0d
what i need now is a head count to determine how many are interested.
there's a minimal discount if the numbers increase but until that has bee=
n
determined, the price range is as stated.
=0d
if you're definitely interested, please e-mail me privately w/the title =

nff yes tshirt in the title-no need for text now.
in a week, i'll post the results.
=0d
my intention is to place an order by the end of june so i can mail them o=
ut
to you by the end of july and you'll all have them before august 10-11.  =
i
will _not_ be bringing any to the concert.
i would also need to have all money orders before the order is placed.
=0d
the prices i quoted are from imprint graphics @ 508-879-0544 (attn:  hele=
n)
any extra pennies will be donated to honor the earth fund.
=0d
until next time,
rena shear
rgcs1123@aol.com
                                     newport folk festival   1996

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subject:      michelle malone

ya gotta love her, dontcha?  that song she does on the red light tape,
"hamlet went swimming"...that is so cool when she and everybody breaks out
into "old blackwater."  i noticed there's a place or two on the dredge tape
where she goes off into some led zep or jimi hendrix thing for a bit.  seemed
like on dredge, in the context...seemed to me she was kinda mocking the rock
and roll thing w/the takeoff on whatever song it was.  i forget which it was.
but dredge is cool, it's a cassette of a few shows by drag the river from
around '91.  got it from rainy day (where else?). the memorable song on there
for me was "southern comfort."  i liked that.

also around somewhere is a tape called "strange bird - the authorized bootleg
'95," which ya gotta have if only for "i am a frog."  there's some pretty
cool stuff on there.  i especially liked "california," because i heard it
first electric w/band de soleil, so it's interesting to me how the song is so
much the same and different.

so anyway, i never heard of michelle til '93 or bds til '95, but now i want
to hear more.  if anybody's got any bootlegs, i sure would be interested..
please let me know.  and of course, i've just gotta have a copy of
relentless (when and if).

'bout it for now. c-y'all,
lorie

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subject:      red light - "are you talkin' out your butt?" lol

ok...lol...this strikes me funny : )

is it cooper saying that?


back to lurk mode.  thanks to scot for distributing this tape.  write me if
ya want a copy.  i forget what days i am exactly; i've lost some saved e-mail
and can't check.

struck funny,
lorie

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subject:      one last time-please read

okay, i've done this before and a couple of other folks have done it
this time but i have to say it again...when the list stops sending
please do 2 things...1) e-mail a list friend privately and ask if
he/she is getting the list or not...don't panic...and if the answer is
yes then...2) stop posting-about anything!!!!!!!!!
   look, i love the list, i love to hear what all of you have to say,
but every single time this list has gone down for awhile and i'm
gone for more than 24 hours my account crashes and i lose everything
in my files. i know that i'm only one of many who have this problem,
so please, i'm on my knees begging, don't post about anything til
the list comes back up, and please be aware of the crashing problem.
again, i don't have any gripes about content, i just would like to
be able to go away and not come back to find chaos...
               thanks again-sorry to take up the space for this...
                                sharon, ripping her hair out

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subject:      missing you all...

hi everyone!

i have been sooooo busy lately, i feel badly that i havent posted anything to
the list in....well....forever it seems!

i just wanted to say howdy, and brag a little that i bought my plane ticket
for newport!  as a starving college student, flying from arizona to r.i.  is
almost unthinkable...but i could stand the thought of not being there for
this one (unlike the nojf)  so, i hope i get a chance to meet alot of you
wonderful people!

take care everyone, and i'll post again soon.  going camping this
weekend...gotta get out of the heat!  ben, be glad you left...its hot  here!

:)
jan

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subject:      i'm coming to america

hi y'all.

i'm going to be in the states between 8 june and 14 july, and if at all
possible i'd love to try and get a tape of the no ig gig. i know that
details of this may have come and gone, but i probably deleted it without
reading it.

can someone please mail of what i need to do to get a tape?

thanks,

neil.

neil.phillips@bandw.co.uk

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from:         karen robinson <lynn@texas.net>
subject:      missing ig digest since monday

        warning!
        help! will robinson! i'm lost in space <lolam> - without an ig
digest for four days!  i'm having withdrawals.  i tried resubscribing thru
the listserv yesterday morning but got no feedback or list since then.  if
any of you kind souls would assist - thanks.
        oh.  don conscenti(sp?) and dede vogt played kerrville on sunday
night.  his new cd has emily saliers singing and playing backup on two cuts
along with kristen hall and others from the atlanta bunch of musicians we
listen to.  i didn't buy it - yet. maybe this weekend.
        thanks for the assistance.
"i do not base my opinions of people on race, sex, or orientation.  there
are enough reasons to dislike people just based on individual personalities."
doing kerrville folk festival now...,

karen

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subject:      intro & nff

hi all,
i just signed on and thought i should introduce myself.  my name is deb and
i live in mass, married 19 years and mom to 3 kids. and a faithful ig fan!!
hope no one minds an "old woman" of 39 joining the list. we ig fans come in
all shapes and sizes.  :) besides i'm young at heart.

their music touchs my soul like nothing else i've ever heard. still amazes
me that i can relate to everything in their songs. i've felt like that since
i first heard closer to fine milleniums ago. i saw them in concert at the
orpheum in boston years ago. it was extrodinary!

anyway, i've been reading the mail for a couple of days now and i have my
first (of probably many) questions: when is the newport folk festival???????
from what i've read i'm assuming ig are performing there.  i'd love to go
and it's close enough to home that i just might be able to make it.

well, can't wait to hear from you all.

deb

"feminism is the radical idea that women are people too"

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subject:      messages?

i haven't received any messages from the list yesterday or today.   anyone
sending messages or is there a problem with the list-serv?

inquiring mind wants to know ...

michelle

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subject:      happy birthday!!! (may 31, 1996)
x-cc:         doobie@student.umass.edu, hwisnesk@gas.uug.arizona.edu

happy birthday debbie and hope!!!

"...what i won't give to have the things that mean the most not to mean the
things i miss..."

"if i stand all alone will the shadows hide the color of my heart, will they
be blue for the tears, black for the nights we spent apart..."

birthday folks:
doobie@student.umass.edu (debbie)
hwisnesk@gas.uug.arizona.edu (hope)
"language or the kiss"
"i don't wanna talk about it" (danny whitten)
*:);)*

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subject:      hey ya'll, isthis working?

hey guys,

i have tried to post about three times and each time i am rejected.  is
anyone else having this problem?  sorry to take up bandwidth, but it has
taken me three days just to get resubscribed and now i can't even post...

by the way, amy, sunny and bon.....i am dubbing furiously...i left the list
of the boots you guys wanted here at school when i went home for my brief
respite and so i am doing them now!  sorry, and i'll get them out asap.

later-

karrie

                        "water retention is not new to me...."
                                   -emily saliers

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subject:      is there anybody out there?

hello?

i have not received any mail from the list for the past 2 days.....
did the server crash and burn?  should i resubscribe? should i just
put disc 2 of 1200 curfews on the cd player, slap on the headphones
and relax??

hmmmmm.....

peace y'all,
'
'
dan perkins,
,
"now i'm trying to get back
where i know that i should be,
ohh, i was hoping i was just
a temporary absentee..       "
                    -gerard mchugh

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subject:      re: reverse one for sale

and to think, i only paid 25 for mine.

"can't believe the things i hear,
  falling though the atmosphere.
  sexual atrocities are happening right over me
  and i can't sleep." - jann arden.
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date:    thu, 23 may 1996 15:31:19 -0400
from:    igme@aol.com
subject: reverse one for sale

thought you guys might like to see this post i found on the ig post music
message center...
========================================
subj:  reverse one for sale
date:  96-05-23 15:18:00 edt
from:  pwrof2

i'm moving and holding a auction for reverse one -
bidding starts at $175.00  (i paid $200.00)

i will take bids till 12md (central time) wednesday, june 5th

any questions or bids just e-mail
thanks

========================================================

you gus are always talking about this reverse thing so i thought you'd want
to know..
:)

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subject:      re: amy & friends at eddie's
in-reply-to:  your message of "fri, 31 may 1996 00:59:56 pdt."
              <31aea6fc.6de4@atlcom.net>

that's it!  i'm moving to atlanta - any of ya'll need a roomate?

-depressed in montreal (where the best show this week is barry white)

sorry for mailing you direct, kim - my brain is *so* still on holiday...

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subject:      problem child

since getting my red light tape last week i've been listening to problem
child incessantly.  am i the only one who thinks the power of this song
is magnified by it's understated tone on this tape?  when i compare this
version to the extra track on 1200 curfews, it's no comparison.  the
version on red light really hits me.

amy

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from:         "karen l. tongson" <ktongson@ucla.edu>
subject:      attn: trant, susan marine, amy snyder

no need to panic. just wanted to let you know i received your checks, (amy
your cassette), and other assorted goodies. i'll be sending your cd's out,
(amy, your tape), on monday morning. sound cool. just wanted to keep y'all
up to date so you don't think i've run off to rio w/ your $.

thanks for being so efficient!

peace,
k.
________________________________________________
karen l. tongson
hedgehog extraordinaire,
diva of electronic emissions, dyke music junkie,
lit. aficionado and all around
product of suburban psychosis. ;-/
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reply-to:     "m.macvey" <mmacvey@attach.net>
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from:         "m.macvey" <mmacvey@attach.net>
subject:      re: i(*$%&^@!+=\~~~7 & lc (someigc)

hi all!
have something important to tell you....uh ..lets see, what was it?
funny my mind is a blank..like where did the last 2 days go. why no
messages?.. seem to remember going to eddie's attic on the 30th to hear
amy and friends but i know that can't be true, must have been a dream..is
this a sign of impending senility?...i hope not.
lc. great song..and the first one of the igs that i became aware of. no i
wasn't on another planet, just off-line sort of,and until i found that i
could pick up wxpn in philly, musically and ig-impaired, thanks to the
mainstream rock stations that played the same 10 songs over and over and
over. any way lc made me sit up and listen and think ..damn! how did they
get into my head? besides being a tune that plays itself in my head,or
has me humming or singing at odd times the lyrics really hit home. i've
often said i was a conscientious objector(in the war of the sexes?) over
the years in reply to people who inquired about my orientation, or why i
wasn't married.. especially if it was none of their business, i didn't
trust them or i just wanted to remain mysterious ;-). early on i made a
conscious decision to not be inducted into the army of woman going to
college to get a mrs. i've beem rebelling ever since against what i
perceive to be useless conventions, social mores and religious
irrationalisations.
as to  what the least complicated,hardest thing to learn is , i'm still
not sure.
i like patricia's idea
> the fact of the matter is we never learn. it's
>just a cycle. hence, "the hardest to learn was the least complicated". it
>seems so obvious you'd think we'd learn but we never will.
i also think it could refer to learning to be true to yourself, before
trying to measure up to *societys'* idea of proper behavior.
looking forward to reading more ideas

marilyn

..still crazy after all these years.. (p. simon)

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subject:      secret message

dooooon't
            give that girl

                            some gum

(she's already got some)

(sing that over and over and it will get stuck in your head and drive you
crazy)

do it !!   it's fun !

just got back from a barbie q where i was surrounded by straight
married women who were gushing about amy ray...and i doo mean
in 'that way' (nudge, nudge, wink, wink)...it's baffling...that ray kid
is a bonified sex symbol...like elvis, or paul...there is nothing she
can do about it...it's a cultural thing..pop icon (cringe)........
forget k.d., melissa and..(who are the boy icon's these days anyway...
can't think of any)..i guess it's the women's turn now ....and it's amy !!!

some scholar should write a paper on it...seriously !

the 90's.....it's delightful, it's delovely, it's delirious, it's dewonderful
it's delicious, it's delimit....it's something ...ain't it ?

love !
binky

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subject:      (nigc) joan baez in uk

hi folks,

just found out that a&e's mum, joan baez ;) will be playing next month as
part of the chichester festival (in west sussex).  venue is chichester
cathedral - imagine some awesome acoustics - don't know the date as the
festival office is closed on sundays, but i'll post details as soon as i
have them...

bfn,

**************
seffy
     cod==#
**************

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subject:      re: secret message

at 04:10 pm 6/2/96 -0400, binky wrote:
>dooooon't
>            give that girl
>
>                            some gum
>
>(she's already got some)
>
>(sing that over and over and it will get stuck in your head and drive you
>crazy)
>
>do it !!   it's fun !
>
funny... just a couple of days back i was in a card shop looking for
something to get for my dad in the hospital. on a rack at the front of the
store sat a whole mess of teddy bears... before i knew it, the words "don't
give the girl a gund" were going through my head. :- ) were i in a better
frame of mind, i'd write some scintillatingly brilliant lyrics to accompany
the marvelous thought... but *sigh*... not! <wan smile> anyhoo... just
wanted to share.
peace all... kim.
<kim fischer>
rcn@prcn.org
******************
i am woman!
i am strong!
( i am exhausted )
******************

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subject:      re: rainy day records
x-to:         michelle paddy <m.paddy@qut.edu.au>
in-reply-to:  <2.2.16.19960529144344.384f4ed8@pop.qut.edu.au>

hi,
     they only email address that i know of is rainy@mindspring.com .
perry and marsha are both very busy so it takes them a while to reply.
they do have an 800 number.  i don't know about fax.  i can call them and
find out if you want.

bye,
allison

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subject:      gay marriage in hawaii-these folks need support!-nigc

our fellow listee, gail, is in with these folks and they really need help! i
know a lot of us really really really want to see this happen, and it is just
a little group of folks in hawaii without at lot of cash who are trying to
work out for all of us a way to...well, you get it. sorry its long anf pretty
nigc, i thought it was really *important*...it is to me, anyways-no matter
what the president and all have to say!

peace and love and wedding bells,

larissa


dear friends,
  here is message #2 regarding the hawaii equal rights marriage project
(hermp). read down to the end for information on how to contribute to the
project or on how to get more information on what is going on with the
case. you may also email tom ramsey (ramsey@math.hawaii.edu) or call sue
reardon (1-808-942-3737), the co-directors of hermp, for more
information. please remember that the donation hotline will not be
activated until june 1, 1996. at that time you may call 1-900-97marry to
make a direct donation to friends of hermp. please help spread the word
and feel free to forward this message.

aloha,
gail


---------- forwarded message ----------
date: wed, 29 may 1996 10:57:13 -1000
from: ramsey@math.hawaii.edu
to: gail@hawaii.edu
subject: most recent news release

   state democratic party convention replaces
   rosehill with agbayani

this weekend, hawaii's state democratic convention, acted in
favor of same-gender marriage:

        1)  they replaced democratic national committeewoman linda
     rosehill with amy agbayani.  rosehill is a paid lobbyist
     for hawaii's future today, a leading anti-same-gender
     marriage group.  amy agbayani was a member of the first
     commission on sexual orientation and the law, is presently
     on hawaii's civil rights commission, and supports same-gender
     marriage.  what angered most delegates were ads by
     hawaii's future today against 15 state senators who, in
     amy's words, voted their consciences when they voted against
     a constitutional amendment to ban same gender marriage.

2)  the convention passed a resolution calling on the legislature
     to live the same-gender marriage issue to the courts.  this
     has been h.e.r.m.p's position since 1993.

3)  the platform calls for non-discrimination on sexual orientation
     and suggests that constitutional amendments should protect
     civil rights.

the margins in favor of these measures were large.  today, hawaii's
republican party attacked the democrats as being out-of-touch with the
average person.

h.e.r.m.p supporters have formed a new organization, friends
of h.e.r.m.p, to advocate for same gender marriage.  it is non-profit
but not tax-deductible due to its political focus (primarily responding
to religious political extremists in the media).  friends of h.e.r.m.p
will launch nation-wide a 900-number for donations between $5 and $25 on
june 1 (this saturday):  1-900-97-marry.  donations to that number would
be charged on phone bills.  friends of h.e.r.m.p's mailing address is
po box 11690, honolulu, hi 96828, for contact by u.s. mail.

      best regards,


      tom ramsey

web sites for hermp information:
http://www.xq.com/hermp/
http://www.qrd.org/qrd/orgs/hermp/
http://www.tnight.com/hermp/
http://www.qrd.org/qrd/usa/hawaii/marriage.update/
the latter is provided by a bbs, which also provides bbs access
to hermp messages: tropical night bbs (808) 235-5558
telnet:bbs.tnight.com

for the official report of the commission on sexual orientation and
the law:
http://www.hawaii.gov/lrb/solcvr.html

for legal documents related to baehr v. lewin (now baehr v. miike):
http://www.qrd.org/qrd/www/legal/
which has a link to marriage and baehr v. lewin

for national as well as hawaii information:
http://nether.net/~rod/html/sub/marriage.html
http://www.well.com/user/davadam/hermp.html
http://www.eskimo.com/~demian/partners.html

      the hawaii equal rights marriage project, hermp, is the sole support
of the work of dan foley on baehr v. lewin (foley is the attorney who makes
all court appearances on behalf of the plaintiff couples).  please be
generous
in support of hermp; hawaii is a small state, and the tiny gay and lesbian
community here is very active in advocacy work which hermp cannot address.
donations to hermp are fully tax-deductible, and should be made out to
                     glcc-hermp
                     1521 alexander street, #503
                     honolulu, hi 96822.

      the hermp branch in kona, on the big island, has produced a t-shirt
for sale.  one can send a check for $17.50 to hermp, p.o.box 902, captain
cook, hi 96704, together with a note about being sent a t-shirt (s, m, l,
xl, xxl).  it is also available in a tank top.  the design is multi-color
on white.  a large triangle points down, with the letters h.e.r.m.p above
the triangle, some male-male, female-female symbols in the border of the
triangle and some palm trees.  to place an email order for t-shirts, or
to obtain more information, please email skippero@aol.com.  an image of
the t-shirt is available via the web on
       http://www.qrd.org/qrd/www/usa/maine/hawaii-tee.html

dear friends,
  here is some information on the hawaii equal rights marriage project
(hermp) that i thought that you might be interested in. this message is in
2 parts. you will receive the second message separately. hermp is in dire
need of donations to continue the challenge to make same sex marriage
legal. if you would like to help, please call the number listed
(1-900-97marry) after june 1, 1996 (it will not be activated until then).
if you would like more information on the marriage project, please see the
web sites listed in the second message. if you like, you may email tom
ramsey (ramsey@math.hawaii.edu) directly, you may write hermp by mail
(address given in 2nd message), or you may call sue reardon, the project
co-director, (leave a message and she will call you back) at
1-808-942-3737. please help us spread the word. hawaii is a small state
and we need all the help we can get. please feel free to forward these
messages to anyone who would be interested in helping. as we say in
hawaii, mahalo! (thanks!).

aloha,
gail

---------- forwarded message ----------
date: wed, 29 may 1996 10:55:55 -1000
from: ramsey@math.hawaii.edu
to: gail@hawaii.edu
cc: +sumirear@pixi.com
subject: email address and donations

    yes, give them my email address.

    donations are needed in 3 separate spheres; for irs reasons, the
three spheres are handled by separate organizations:
    h.e.r.m.p---fully tax-deductible, legal work, paying dan foley the
                attorney, education
    friends of h.e.r.m.p---not tax-deductible, focused on paid media
                (answering the religious political extremists with ads);
                this is education but it's too political to be tax-deductible
                much harder money to raise because its not tax-deductible
    the equality fund---makes contributions to the election campaigns of
                of candidates friendly to same gender marriage.  absolutely
                vital but very hard to raise---not tax deductible and most
                people hate politicians!!!

    donations can be sent to two addresses:  po box 11690, honolulu, hi 96828
    or to 1521 alexander st., #503, honolulu, hi 96822.  according to how
    the check is made out, the money goes to the right organization.

    brand new, starting june 1:  people can use 1-900-97-marry to donate
from $5 to $25 to friends of h.e.r.m.p (the donation is charged to your
phone bill).  no fuss, no muss, no finding stamps, no remembering addresses,
......   spread the word!!!!  we need 200,000 people to give $5 each to
change how the people in hawaii understand marriage and civil rights.


     best,  tom ramsey

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subject:      re: rainy day records

rainy day has two emails--- rainy@mindspring.com and rainy@rainy.com  but
they prefer that you use rainy@mindspring.com unless you are ordering off the
web..  their 800 # is 1-800-636-6166  and for those of you who have not yet
called them for one reason or another, you'll find that the folks there are
truly delightful and wonderful human beings :)

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subject:      tapes-minimal igc

hey one and all,

i am very late on some tapes, and will be hurrying along on the tapes i owe
yall, please feel free to send me a reminder e-mail if i owe you one, but
know that i am working on it!
-larissa

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subject:      red light boot-problem child and are you talking out of your

ok...

i love the version of problem child on this boot too, and i must say i like
it better than the one on 12,000 c's also, its longer and mellower and i
loooove it....i think the "are you talking out of your butt?" comment sounds
like cooper's voice, but it is a most emily-ish thing to say....

:)

hmmm

was anyone there? can you clarify?

-larissa, the pondering one who wants to hear reviews of this weekend's
shows...

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subject:      tape of no shows

hi everyone,

                 i was wondering...did anyone record either the 5/2 or 5/4
show?  i went to the 5/4 show, and i'm dying for a bootleg of it.


                                                                      thanks,
                                                                         anna

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subject:      happy birthday!!! (june 2, 1996)
x-cc:         lianefu@soho.ios.com

happy birthday liane!!!

"i want to slide into the black and wear the black mask, i might not get what
i lack, but it doesn't hurt to ask if i want to sail, i need my life to be
breezier i said, please, god, or someone, make it easier..."

lianefu@soho.ios.com (liane)
"make it easier"
*;);)*

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subject:      amy ray's birth-year???

hi everyone!

i know amy's birthday is april 12 but
what year was she born???

mike   :-)

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subject:      trades & quotes

hello everyone,
    my name is annemarie and this is my first post on the list. i really love
the indigo girls and i've just started getting really into trading bootlegs
and imports. right now, i have various imports and videos and i'm looking to
increase my collection. i'm looking for anyone to trade anything of the
indigo girls. especially if anyone has a version of them singing "weakness in
me". if you are interested, e-mail me back.

smiles : )
annemarie

**********************************
a few of my favorite indigo girl quotes:

the best thing you've ever done for me, is help me take my life less
seriously. it's only life afterall.

there i am in younger days... painting picture perfect maps of how my love
and life would be. not counting the unmarked paths of misdirection. my
compass, faith in love's perfection, i missed ten million miles of road i
should have seen.

for everytime you find yourself, you lose a bit of me from within.

give me hope that emptiness brings fullness and loss of love brings wholeness
to us all."

maybe that's all that we need  is to meet in the middle of impossibility.
standing at opposite poles equal partners in a mystery.
                                               -indigo girls

mercy, what i won't give, to have the things that mean the most not to mean
the things i miss.

it's all in our hands, got to learn to respect what we don't understand.


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subject:      re: amy ray's birth-year???
in-reply-to:  your message of "sun, 02 jun 1996 18:42:44 pdt."
              <199606030142.saa04888@hungary.it.earthlink.net>

here's more detail than you could ever have wanted :)

  amy ray:        atlanta, ga,      april 12, 1964, 3:34pm
  emily saliers:  new haven, conn., july 22, 1963,  8:27am

go wild!
-sarah

hey, this reminds me - does anyone know what "tuesday's children/child"
refers to?  the reason i ask is that i had thought maybe a & e
were born on tuesdays, but neither was (you can do the calc yourself -
i forget what the actual days were :)).

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subject:      what's the curfew ref?

dear indigo landers,

ok, i finally had to ask.  i've never seen it discussed or even
mentioned anywhere, so does anyone know what a & e mean when they
say they have a curfew?  (at the end of ctf on 1200 curfews and,
obviously, the title 1200 curfews.)  maybe i'm missing something
obvious but, i just don't get it. *sigh*

-confused in canada

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subject:      rop tour books for sale/collectors update

hihi :) i'm jealous of all these stories of lucky listers finding reverse
1 for such great prices..i have yet to find mine =( but i have found a few
things in the last couple weeks..most of which are the normal things but i
did find one promo i had not seen before. it's called buzz cuts. i can't
even tell who it's by..the cassette cover is red..inside it says "i know
it's a pain in the butt to fill this out and spend 29 cents to send it
back to us...but if you do you might just scam free stuff from record
companies. so fill out the other side and send to: buzz
                                                   attn: my friend jenn
                                                   14958 ventura blvd.
                                                   sherman oaks, ca 91403
the form on the other side to fill out is simply:
name          age
address
city     state    zip
favorite radio station
favorite record store
i listen to music on   _cd  _cassette

it has five songs on it..galileo is the indigo girls selection and
curiously enough there is also a song called 'thin line' by kid frost. so
obviously by the ig song on it and the stamp price, this is from a few
years ago..so chances are the address is no good, but i figured some
industrious collector might wanna risk the 32 cents and try :)

i found a few rites of passage tour books.. if you don't have one..they
are cool :) they are about twelve pages long and printed on a grainy type
of paper..there are a lot of great photos including amy in berlin, sara
lee, michael lorant and other guest musicians on the album, concert stuff,
emily and a big fire hose, and lots of ollllld pictures including a few
childhood shots.  there is a spotlight on sara lee plus the mail in to
your state rep cards are in still intact. they are 13.99 plus usual costs
so say 16 bucks. if ya want one, let me know within a couple days cuz i'm
prolly only going to make one trip to the store (it's an hour away). i
guess that's all for now. oh yeah :) i'm moving into my new house
tommorrow where i will have an 'official' and small room set aside for the
modest beginning of the indigo girls museum. ha :)
we are fortunate ones,
joe

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subject:      what emily's up to?

a while back someone listed all that amy was doing & asked what emily was up
to.
well, she played with a band called hash on may 31st at the point. she was
totally rockin'.she played a les paul & telecastor among other electric
guitars plugged into her marshall stack. not what you'd expect from quiet
emily. here's the set list.
high horse
behind the lines
fool for your love
levon
keep on growin'
still my baby
hejira
trail of tears
talk of the town
caramia
another on the rise
big yellow taxi
burn on the black top
killing time
here i am
midnight train to ga
can't find my way home

hash was joined on stage by caroline aiken & dedevogt. i saw someone up front
with a video camera so i know there's a video out there somewhere. it was
very cool & emily was having a great time. i thought it was much better than
the night before at eddie's with amy & friends.

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date:         sun, 2 jun 1996 22:37:02 -0600
reply-to:     corinne simpson <corinne@utah-inter.net>
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from:         corinne simpson <corinne@utah-inter.net>
subject:      1200 curfews

   a curfew is the time a concert has to be over by... in utah the curfew is
11 p.m.  so now ya all know.

by the way, i got the ep and more from rainy day, and it just could not be
more fabulous.  what's funny is emily is writing love songs to men ("never
stop") and amy is writing love songs to emily ("falling star").  i love it.
good nite,

corinne
"let's grow old and die together, let's do it now"
--ani difranco, i am seeing her in 3 days!!!!!!!!

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date:         sun, 2 jun 1996 21:55:54 -0700
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subject:      re: what emily's up to?

at 12:15 am 6/3/96 -0400, someone wrote:

>well, she played with a band called hash
>on may 31st at the point. she was totally rockin'.
>
>here's the set list.
>
>high horse


hmm...boy, i never thought i'd see
the day when emily would drag that
puppy out of the closet.  she use to
hate that song.  great show though!

oh to be in atlanta...

michael  :-)

ps...thanks for the birth-year everyone!

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subject:      happy birthday!!! (june 3, 1996)
x-cc:         gaukroge@uiuc.edu

happy birthday rebecca!!

"guess i wasn't the best one to ask me myself with my face pressed up against
love's glass to see the shiny toy i've been hoping for the one i never can
afford the wide world spins and spits turmoil and the nations toil for peace
but the paws of fear upon your chest only love can soothe that beast..."

gaukroge@uiuc.edu
"love will come to you"
*:);)*

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subject:      falling star (amy ray song)
in-reply-to:  <19960603043701336.aaa162@simpsond>

i might be risking my virtual neck by sending this out but what the heck...

i have seen more than a few people refer to this song as being a love song
that amy wrote about emily (as in amy was in love with emily). i am not
going to get into their personal relationship with each other "once upon a
time" here so dont get all uptight. ;) i just have a different take on the
song... let me explain (the complete lyrics follow my ramblings).

the lyrics are written from amy's pov (of course). the way i see it,
emily's ex-girlfriend is still amy's friend ("now she asks me how you're
doing"  and "she spread her love to you"). the "she" is amy's friend and
emily's ex.

amy saw the relationship fall apart and helped emily get through the
pain of the break-up, as friends usually do: "i followed your northern star
and i shared the fall with you."

amy here is talking about the love songs that emily wrote for her ex: "all
these songs, now, they used to make you shine/they are just lullabies for
your nightmares/and i'll sing them softly, now." havent you ever written
poetry for a boyfriend/girlfriend and then had it come back to haunt you
after you broke up with them? imagine what it would be like to write a
love song for them and then have to continue performing it at a gig after
the relationship was over. the line "i'll sing them softly now" is really
sweet dont you think? it just shows that amy is being sensitive about
emily's pain.

ok, amy is in a new relationship "lately i've felt the warmth of the one
who tore down my walls" but she saw emily's relationship crash and burn
and she is a bit weary: "now i wished upon your falling star praying i
won't fall that hard and that my love is all it seems to be."

then we get to the verse that makes everyone jump to some wild assumptions:
:)

but emily, i gotta tell you i understand, i understand
when your love flies away, well, honesty
that's about the best you can, the best you can do
but aren't you empty inside, aren't you?

if you read those lyrics in the context i outlined above it makes sense
that she is just saying "emily, i understand you stopped loving this
person and were honest enough to break up with her, but don't you feel
lonely?" but man, the way she sings emily is gut-wrenching isnt it?

disclaimer: if you wanna think amy wrote this song after emily broke her
heart, i am not trying to stop you! i just had to say something cause i
have yet to see anyone claim differently. and since i am feeling a bit
different lately... but i dont take myself so seriously as to think this
is the only way to interpret the lyrics. it's just how i see it :p :)

btw, the song is really beautiful, i love it :)

p.s. i owe several people email about various things, i am not ignoring
you. i am just dealing with some heavy rl stuff. never fear, i will be in
touch shortly :) thanks for being patient...

i got these lyrics from http://archive.uwp.edu/pub/music/lyrics/

"falling star" by amy ray

it's like an ocean tide
slowly washing my shores away
it's like the sun above
now, sooner or later, i'll have to face that way

now she asks me how you're doing
and i tell her you're getting by
but it's pain and numbness
side by side

you came on the scene
like a star in the northern night
she spread her love to you
like the warmth of a southern sky

and so it goes on
you know it's night and day
one always slips away
there's no one left to blame

love falls down, you know
and your heart falls to pieces
and your soul might get lost along the way

all these songs, they used to make you shine
they are just lullabies for your nightmares
i don't want to shed your tears

i followed you northern star
and i shared the fall with you
now i felt the cold glow of the sunset
and i saw that liar's moon

some of us will come down to earth
some of us will burn
love's not always as bright as it should be
tell me, do you want to be free?

well, your love falls down, you know
and your heart might fall to pieces
and i saw your soul get lost along the way

all these songs, now, they used to make you shine
they are just lullabies for your nightmares
and i'll sing them softly, now

lately i've felt the warmth
of the one who tore down my walls
but then i look at you
and your twilight consumes it all, it does

now i wished upon your falling star
praying i won't fall that hard
and that my love is all it seems to be
because i'll swear it set me free

but emily, i gotta tell you i understand, i understand
when your love flies away, well, honesty
that's about the best you can, the best you can do
but aren't you empty inside, aren't you?

fallin' star.

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subject:      nigc -- poetry

my hands move of their own accord
tearing at these flimsy walls
that barricade my heart
stripping away my calm
i am shredded
like rice paper in the wind
shattered and torn
i become the hurricane
raging and blowing
crying down the rain


tuesday's child


"begin my studies with this paper and
this pencil and i'm working through
the grammar of my fears."
                            -- e.s.
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date:         mon, 3 jun 1996 08:05:51 gmt
reply-to:     h.burningham@ulst.ac.uk
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from:         helene burningham <h.burningham@ulst.ac.uk>
organization: university of ulster
subject:      trying to catch up with y'all!

hi y'all
well after the silence of last week, i've been welcomed by absolutely
loads of messages...and so much has happened in such a short
time...it feels like i've been displaced in time by a month or so!
so amy and emily played separate gigs...oh boy...do all you atlantans
out there realise how lucky y'all are!  do you think there'll ever be
any openings for a coastal sedimentologist/geomorphologist there????
i wish!
anyways, reading through the messages i've noticed a lot of songs are
getting mentioned that i've never heard of...are they all new ones
that they've played at no or local gigs?

corinne wrote:
> by the way, i got the ep and more from rainy day, and it just could not be
> more fabulous.  what's funny is emily is writing love songs to men ("never
> stop") and amy is writing love songs to emily ("falling star").  i love it.

and whats this ep?  and where did the song falling star come from?  i
don't think it's on any of the boots that i have?  and all those
songs that emily did with hash...i recognise a lot of them as covers,
but what about the rest.

some light shed on this would be really appreciated

thanks
love helene


"steer clear of the shore, the coast is rough and rocky"   kate wolf

helene burningham <h.burningham@ulst.ac.uk>
coastal research group
department of environmental studies
university of ulster
coleraine bt52 1sa
northern ireland
44(0)1265 324010

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subject:      "falling star" question

hi everyone...

i just got "the ep and more" from rainy day, and after giving it
a listen, i am nagged by this question.  in the song, "falling star"
amy directly addreses emily in the song, and as far as i know
this is the only time that either a or e have addressed the other
directly/expressly in a song.  is this true or not?

from the context of the song, it sounds like amy is singing about a
dying relationship and addresses emily just as if talking out loud
about the whole situation.  if anyone knows anything about this song-
please email me -  i am up for discussing it.

thanks,  - dana

the lyrics are as follows:

it's like an ocean tide slowly washing my shores away.
it's like the sun above. sooner or later i'll  have to face that way.
now she asks me how you're doing and i tell her you're getting by,
but it's pain and numbness side by side.

you came on the scene like a star in the northern night.
she spread her love to you like the warmth of a southern sky.
and so it goes on,  you know it's night and day
(?) one away slips away, there's no one left to blame.

chorus:
a love falls down and your heart falls to pieces
and your soul might get lost along the way.
and all these songs they used to make you shine,
they are just lullibies for your nightmares.
(i don't want to shed your tears.)

i followed your northern star and i shared the fall with you.
now i felt the cold glow of the sunset and i saw that liar's moon.
some of us will come down to earth,  some of will learn
love's not always as brights as it should be.
tell me do you want to be free.

chorus
well your love falls down.  .....
(i'll sing them softly now.)

lately i felt the warmth of the one who tore down my walls.
but then i look at you and your twillight consumes it all.  (it does.)
but i wished upon your falling star, praying i won't fall that hard
and that my love is all that it seems to be,  i swear it set me free.

but emily i got to tell you i understand, i understand
when your love flies away, well honesty that's about the best you can
the best you can do.
but aren't you empty inside?  aren't you ...falling star.

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from:         crecca@admin.njit.edu
subject:      t-shirt ?, comments, and apologies

hi all!

i've been away for work and i just got back and my mailbox was filled and
in order to log on to our system here at work, i had to delete just about
everything.

anyway, i was just curious if those way cool ig t-shirts (the one with amy's
soc and scattered other ig quotations) were going to be made?  i hope to
go to newport and it would be really cool if we could find each other via
the t-shirts.   any info. would be appreciated.

to jenn from chicago----
        i lost your e-mail address.  the two tapes i owe you will go out
by fast mail (ups. fed ex etc.) either today or wednesday.  i brought them
to the post office before i left for work and thought they were mailed but
i got them back again!
        the reason--- i stapled the package closed.  warning to all-- do not
staple anything you wish to mail.  the post office doesn't like it.

forgive the delay, please. :-(---sorry

bert--- i will e-mail you as soon as i unbury my desk!

later,

cynthia
crecca@admin.njit.edu

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from:         corinne simpson <corinne@utah-inter.net>
subject:      falling star

ooookay,  sorry,  i didn't mean to offend about the falling star thing.  i
just thought it was interesting that they were at such different points in
their lives that amy was comfortable writing a song that said something
directly to emily, whether or not you wanna interpret it as they were
together. and emily was in a point where she was writing songs to her "man."
that's all i meant, honest, daddy!

been flamed,
didn't like it,
repentant,
corinne

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subject:      song of the week: lotk

hey all... happy monday!!!! ( saw twister last night... loved it... but
that's got nothing to do with the ig *or* the song of the week, so i won't
*even* talk about how i wanna be helen hunt when i grow up... )
anyhoo... if we're still doing the "song of the week" thread, since last
week it was least complicated ( i must interject here how terribly
dissapointed i was that after my too too brilliant post on *that* subject,
not one of you tried to explain what *might* happen to a bowl of grape nuts
dropped from a second floor window... ) then this week it is lotk.
ummm... okay, see, well a few weeks back i posted what my take on this song
is... and you know... i still feel the same... it's about making a choice
between who you are
(really in your heart ) and being the person the people who you love (
mostly your family ) think you are/should be. if you choose to be true to
yourself, and they cannot/will not accept the choice you've made... you no
longer speak the same language, or share their laughter with ease. you are
outside their favour... just as if you were literally standing outside one
of the windows of your old familiar home looking in at them + the empty
chair that used to yours. you have lost their favour and are made to feel no
longer welcome, or part of the family. ( i still get goose bumps over that
part in the song... love emily's lyrics!!!!! )
yuh huh... i know that it's probably about e's choice between family/friends
+ career, not lifestyle... but to me, it's...uh... what i said, yeah...
cause that's my take. anyone else care to offer up an opinion?
peace all... kim <who has stood outside many a window, in the rain, longing
for the warmth of a friendly fire and a cup of hot chocolate just the way
mom used to make it...>
<kim fischer>
rcn@prcn.org
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i am woman!
i am strong!
( i am exhausted )
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subject:      july babies & seeing ani

hey y'all,

    i am on the tape tree to make copies of the red light cafe boot for
people born in july.  i have written a few of you but haven't gotten any
blanks from anyone yet.  (i can't believe i'm trying to drum up business
here)  so, let me hear from y'all.
     second, just back from ca where i caught two ani difranco shows.  i
had a lot of fun, but i didn't care for ca too much.  living in nm really
spoils ya.
anyways, i got a good boot of the 5/28 show in sacramento.  anyone
interested in a trade?
    i saw ani in san francisco.  my friend and i were walking through the
castro and i stopped to use a pay phone to call my girlfriend and there was
this woman standing right next to me at the next phone and i'm walking up
to the phone thinking "wow, she really looks like ani difranco"  then i
stand there for a minute and realize that it really is ani difranco and
she's posing for a picture with some girl who is saying "thank you, thank
you" and i'm thinking "wow, that's really ani difranco"  and the first
thing that comes to mind is "leave her alone, don't bug her".  so she walks
away and i hang up the phone and ask my friend if she saw that woman using
the pay phone next to me, "do you know who she is?"  and my friend is like
"yea, i saw her, so what, who is she?"  and i'm like "that was ani
difranco"  my friend freaks out and starts following her down the street.
ani goes into this restaraunt -pozole- and my friend is all peeking in the
window.  i pulled her away telling her to leave her alone. and then we
walked on down the street. i mean, what would i say to her?  all i'd really
want to know is how she feels about people booting her shows, since i was
gonna be doing this myself for the next two days.  oh well. she sure is
cute though.


                        --sunny

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subject:      ig in minneapolis

>ok.. soooo.... does anyone out there have any firm information on
>possible ig shows in minneapolis in september??

    i called the northrop auditorium a couple of weeks ago.  they had no
idea about the ig coming.  so i called that ava group, they are selling
tickets.  so the deal is that ava is a group designed to promote sweet
honey in the rock.  they are also hooked up with record promoters and
sponsor some other shows i.e., ig.  they told me the two shows were to
support the honor the earth cd that amy is putting out on her label, it is
a compilation cd.  so, it's not just the ig playing but a slew of other
people, possibly bruce coburn or bonnie rait.
     to get tickets to the show you have to become a member of this ava
group which is like $55 and then i heard that tickets we like $42 each.
     i have the numbers floating around somewhere in this mess i call a
desk.  if anyone is interested i could shuffle through and find them.


                                --sunny

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hey folks..its been a while since i beeged but i'm back to bother
you..this is about the twincities  chicago aids ride,,remember..so far
i've managed to raise $1690 ( most of it from the indigo board on aol..)
but i still need to come up with another $600 ( so far its cost me about
$500)
the ride is a charity ride ..all money goes directly to research and
local hospitals,,nothing goes to the riders..its a nationwide
event..right now they are gearing up for the california ride..
we ride from minn - chicago..467 miles in 6 days..each rider pledges to
raise $2300..i'm getting there but i still need your help..wrote to amy
and emily c/o russell to see if they could help..haven't heard yet..
i know everyone is broke, but $10 or $20  spent to help cure aids is not
alot to ask..
now i know i'm gonna get flamed but believe me i was supporting you..i
was told not to bother asking on the net cause only college kids read
those boards and they are too selfcentered..they'd rather spend their $
on them self..please prove them wrong..i know you can do it..
send me an address, i'll send you an official form, you mail it in by
june10...i'm begging here kids,,if you can spend $ to fly xcountry to go
see the girls in newport, you can chip in $20 to cure aids..
what do ya think
pooh


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subject:      need a dubber in canada :)

need someone who would like to dub a very special tape :) who lives in canada.

any takers?

jude :)

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subject:      nigc-leadmill, my solo tape & mob car studios

        hi all,
        first off, to the people who received leadmill boots in the past
month from me, i was wondering what you thought of them.  i've had only a
couple of replies about the music (all good), but i sent out over 20 tapes,
so i know there are more opinions out there! :)
        secondly, there *may* be a possibility that leadmill will have
another release this summer.  i will definitely be releasing a solo project
in july that i would love for you all to get a copy of and listen to.  i am
far more proud of it than leadmill's work, which i took a lot of pride in to
start with.
        keep an eye out on this list for the official release info.  i'll
accept sase's for my solo tape when it comes out, but due to the fact that i
am trying to make some money on this tape locally, i probably won't do
trades for it since i need to keep as many originals as i can.
        to join the mob car studios mailing list (info on leadmill, me, and
a couple of other bands), e-mail me and i'll put you on.

peace all,
jeremy
mob car studios

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subject:      re: falling star (amy ray song)

hi everybody!

looks like there has been some discussion of this song already-
i must be just behind the times----so i guess i have to agree more with
l. andrade's interpretation than the one saying this is a love song
about emily.  not a big deal, really....

it still strikes me strange to hear them singing to each other -
since the trend in their music is more and more
toward lyrics which are vague and leave room for lots of
interpretation.  even if they did write a song about each other
at this point,  i don't think it would be clear from the lyrics.
i say all this only as an observation about how different earlier
songs are from newer ones.

so that's all from me!!   take it easy!
-dana

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subject:      don't give that girl a gun

hey y'all,
i was listening to n*i*s yesterday and noticed that amy gives "a girl
with a gun" as one of her examples of pushing the needle too far, and
i was wondering if someone who heard dgtgag in no  knew any
background into the song/phrase and/or could post the lyrics again.

thanks-you are all fabulous.
jody
************
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in this world. those who can count,
and those who can't."
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subject:      newport question and "cortez the killer"

hello all--

i've been on this list for several months now and have never posted before.
you're all really cool and i look forward to reading the posts everday after
school :>

i received my tickets for newport in the mail today from ticketmaster.  the
tickets are marked with actual row and seat numbers.  i had been under the
impression that it was opne seating, first come, first serve type of thing.
so are these seat and row numbers a mistake?

i also got my hands on a copy of in with the out crowd this past weekend.
it's a really awesome cd and i was wondering if someone knew anything about
the last track, "cortez the killer", like when it weas written, stuff like
that.

if someone could clear up these mysteries for me it would be great :>

peace and love,
elizabeth


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their voice
                                     to the chorus whether the result is
harmony
                                                                    or
dissonance" --ani difranco--

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subject:      re: don't give that girl a gun

hang on a sec...did someone post the lyrics??? did i miss 'em????

ooohhh!!!!!!!!!!! if anyone has the lyrics please re-ost 'em or send 'em to
me please please purty please with emily on top?


:) spanks,

rick
(doesn't puddle dive anymore)

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the lyrics are in the jacket of the cd.  go to a record store and have
them open up the cd for you, or just buy it.  or if you would like i will
give you the lyrics but that would take so much time, and i'm not a speed
typist.  but if you really want it, then...

have a nice day

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hey all,

i got another save sesame street petition, which is supposed to go to
bill, al, and newt.  it's rather long, but worthwhile imsho, so shall i
send it to the almighty list?  or, i could send it to anyone who asks
privately.

just wanting not to offend anyone by wasting bandwidth,
karey

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subject:      re: don't give that girl a gun
in-reply-to:  your message of "mon, 03 jun 1996 15:15:05 mst."
              <f138dc7fef@caedm.et.byu.edu>

it's a good thing i am such a virtual pack-rat :)
i believe this is now third-hand:


don't give that girl a gun (by amy ray)

she's got a case against me
a jury of my peers
got the words of the righteous
screaming in her ears
i'm not dignified any more
can't say i didn't call
i say i love you
she don't hear me anymore

and don't give that girl a gun
don't give that girl a gun
she's already won/one
she's already won/one

i made a bad connection
she says i went astray
jumped ship, abandoned my post
i didn't think i'd lost my way
oh how the mighty fall
you know i saw her crack a smile
i don't got a chance at redemption
she don't believe in the miracle mile

chorus

i said now hold me closer
cause something's happening
why can't we come together?
she said "i doubt
i doubt we ever, ever will again"

chorus

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subject:      nigc-dar williams

just picked up mortal city this weekend and am in love with it!!!  just
wondering if anyone knew of any dar boots floating around.  i'm pretty sure
this question was asked before, but i wasn't paying attention at the time.

jeremy fuksa

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subject:      more ig dreams

does anyone know if amy has an interest in old stock cars?  because my
latest ig dream had amy asking me if i was going to remove rust or paint
this old racing car she was refurbishing.  just curious...the dream was
way too long and weird to describe on line!!

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subject:      re: [fwd: returned mail: user unknown]
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on mon, 3 jun 1996, pat chaney wrote:

> hey folks..its been a while since i beeged but i'm back to bother
> you..this is about the twincities  chicago aids ride,,remember..so far
> i've managed to raise $1690 ( most of it from the indigo board on aol..)
> but i still need to come up with another $600 ( so far its cost me about
> $500)
> the ride is a charity ride ..all money goes directly to research and
> local hospitals,,nothing goes to the riders..its a nationwide
> event..right now they are gearing up for the california ride..

this is not a flame, but you should know that *not* all the money goes to
research and local hospitals.  an incredibly large amount goes to the
aidsride organization, for costs associated with the fundraiser.
granted, it's a huge job to organize it, what with the tents and food and
all, but there has been a lot of controversy about the proportion of
funds raised that goes into costs as opposed to the research and care
groups.  don't get me wrong - it's still a good cause (i've sponsored a
friend in the philly-dc ride), but there are also lots of other
organizations that don't have nearly the hoopla associated with the
aidsride, and manage to direct much more of their funds into the causes
and less for their own efforts.

- elizabeth :)

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subject:      sotw & hi

hi,
i have been lurking for a while & wanted to say how great it is to come home
to such funny, interesting & thought-provoking email. you guys are great.

i came out of hiding to say that the line "by the virtue of decision, i
choose most of your life goes on without me" floors me every time i hear it.
it is so hard to make a decision, knowing that things will change forever &
that the decision was made by you. i think what emily has caught so
poignantly is the "path not taken" -- that not seeing someone, doesn't mean
they stop-- it just means that you are no longer walking on their path with
them. regret (even if the decision was the right one), is so powerful.

i also wanted to ask/comment on the lack of punctuation in the lyric sheets
on the last two albums. does anyone have a theory about this? at first it
kind-of annoyed me (too many poetry classes spent arguing over a comma i
fear) but then i found that i had to sing in my head as i was reading the
lyrics & that kept the words tied to the music. i think that as musicians, a
& e want the words & music to be inseparable. just mho.

thanks for listening,
alexandra

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subject:      play guitar ????

i read this in creative loafing (atlanta freebie paper) ...

"viva la diva is seeking a new guitarist. present picker candi jiosne will
continue with the group for awhile (and belluluna's stacey cargal will be
joining them for some dates), but qualified six stringers are encouraged to
contact the band at (404) 876-7149."

now if i only lived in atlanta ...

chris

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subject:      shame on you

i really want to hear this song. who's got it on tape? please email me
off list so i can beg you to copy it for me...
i am a very prompt tape sender and currently participating in a tree
copying the writers night tape. a trade can definitely be arranged...

paulal

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subject:      re: don't give that girl a gun

in a message dated 96-06-03 17:49:13 edt, you write:

>the lyrics are in the jacket of the cd.  go to a record store and have
>them open up the cd for you, or just buy it.  or if you would like i will
>give you the lyrics but that would take so much time, and i'm not a speed
>typist.  but if you really want it, then...
>
>have a nice day
>
>
whoa- screeeeeeeeeeeeeech................... hang on.................

don't give that girl a gun?   what cd??  did i miss something here???  have
the girls released something that i don't know about?????  could i be this
out of it???????????????


help. i might start finger painting with jelly soon & it won't be a pretty
sight....

:)
rick

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subject:      ep and more?

hi listers,
i've read several post re:  the ep and more from rainy day.
what is this i where can i get it?
is it a boot you are passing around, or can it be purchased?
sorry for my ignorance!
~~robin

"crazy game    i never shoulda started to play   but now you couldn't tear me
away"
--emily s.

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subject:      nigc: riverpoets shows in ca

just got this month's gig card from riverpoets. for those of you who did
not get my last email, riverpoets is a santa cruz based band. they started
out as an acoustic duo, heavily influenced by ig. they've added a bass
player and a drummer. they sound great. their music is a little bit more
rock than folk these days, with interesting lyrics and nice melodies. these
guys are going to go places. catch them while they're still playing small
venues:

fri 6/7 9pm $5 bourbon square, van nuys

sat 6/8 9pm $5 fais-do-do, 5257 w. adams blvd, la.

fri 6/28 8pm   coffeetopia, 13266 hwy.9 boulder creek 408-338-1940

sat 7/20 10pm  girl bar, west hollywood.

let me know if you're going to be at any of these shows.

monique

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subject:      birthday list

hey y'all, this is just a call for birthdays :)  for those of you newbies,
etc, i keep track of listmembers' birthdays, if you send me your date of
birth (month-day-year), i'll post a  greeting with an ig quote on that day.
feel free to include your favorite ig song!  i've noticed that a lot of
people are losing their accounts over the summer but i'm still posting their
bday greetings, so unless you tell the list that you're leaving forever, i'll
still keep track of all of the dates i've received.
thank ya' kindly,
rachel :)

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subject:      happy birthday!!! (june 4, 1996)
x-cc:         nql5986@is.nyu.edu, slsst2@stulab.sfcpa.edu

happy birthday noi and shannon!!!

"...then you see turning off a light switch is their only power when we stand
like spotlights in a mighty tower all for one and one for all then we sing
the common call..."

"...painting picture perfect maps of how my life and love would be
    not counting the unmarked paths of misdirection
    my compass, faith in love's perfection..."

birthday folks:
nql5986@is.nyu.edu (noi)
slsst2@stulab.sfcpa.edu (shannon)
"let it be me"
"love's recovery"
*:);)*

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subject:      re: 1200 curfews

in a message dated 96-06-03 00:36:31 edt, corinne wrote:

>what's funny is emily is writing love songs to men ("never
>stop")

hmm, i tend to disagree with this...the line is "you say she's a very good
friend circumstances i should understand, like recurring tides she comes on
to you and looks as though she's looking for a man..."  i always think about
a lesbian relationship--your girlfriend leaves you for a man...but i guess it
could also apply in the reverse (in a straight relationship- a guy's
girlfriend leaving him for another man --the possibilities are endless!)  the
overall point might be that some people don't know what or whom they want and
cover all the bases...that they are not always aware of anyone else's
feelings...

rachel  :)

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from:         michelle paddy <m.paddy@qut.edu.au>
subject:      re: pal versions of "live at the uptown" & "watershed" wanted
x-to:         /i=rj2/s=ing/@chs1rh.boat.bt.com

at 11:31 am 6/4/96 +1000, you wrote:

>do any aussie readers know whether the two ig videos are available in oz?

"live at the uptown" used to be available here, but hasn't been for a while
now. i've been looking around, but haven't found any music shops that still
have it.

"watershed" has finally been released here and is readily available in music
shops for $24.95.

>if they are available, can you recommend a mail order company that ships
>to the uk.

sorry, i don't know that, but if you haven't heard from someone else in the
meantime, i can try to find out for you.

>finally does anyone know what the tracks are on the bonus cd of the oz
>issue of "1200 curfews"?

as far as i know there is no bonus cd in the oz issue of 1200 curfews.  it
is packaged differently to the us issue, in that it doesn't have the booklet
and is just the size of a single cd, but it only contains the two cds that
the us version contains.

cheers,
shelley

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subject:      blue flood
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can somebody please tell me how to get a copy?  i do have some boots to
trade so please let me know if you can help.  thanks, hope

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subject:      chiapas bound lyrics

from the good lyric fairy godmother of the south......these are the lyrics
to one of amy's new songs called "chiapas bound" for anyone who's interested:

chiapas bound

all the girls with anorexia
are on the street tonight
and the boys in the band
think they look alright
i don't really know why i drove my car
on this boulevard
hoping to find you
turning on the light

well you seem like a girl
with the world on your side
but then it's just a point of view
and you know how quickly that can change too
see i heard you were free
or someone thinks you should be
and i know just how that feels
i thought maybe we could just talk for a while

then you said that you'd go down to mexico
i think that i might go there too
but it's probably too late
to find someone like you

yeah it sounds really cool
to be without a care
in some southern town
but i heard tha there's trouble down there
if you're chiapas bound

yeah it sounds really cool
to be without a care
in some southern town
but i heard there's trouble down there
if you're chiapas bound

music (solo electric......reminicent of some r.e.m. to me) and lyrics
by amy ray........

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subject:      get out the map lyrics

while we're on the subject of lyrics, i thought i'd repost these to emily's
new song "get out the map" in case anyone missed them the first time around.
blissful boredom is wonderful :)

cylinda

get out the map

the saddest sight my eyes can see
that big ball of orange slinking slyly down the trees
sitting in a broken circle
while you rest upon my knee
this perfect moment soon be leaving me

suzanne calls from boston
the coffee's hot the corn is high
the same sun that warms your heart
will suck the good earth dry
with everything it's opposite enough to keep you crying
or keep this old world spinning
with a twinkle in it's eye

get out the map
get out the map
and lay your finger anywhere down
we'll leave the gi figuring for those we pass
on the way outta town
don't drj drink the water
there seems to be something ailing everyone
i'm gonna clear my head
i'm gonna drink that sun
i'm gonna love you good and strong
while our love is good and young

joni (?) left for south africa a few years ago
and then beth took a job all the way on the west coast
and me i'm still half my life on the road
heavier by the year
heavier by the load
so why do we hurtle ourselves
through every inch of time and space
and we'll say around some corner i can sense a resting place
and every lesson learned a line upon your beautiful face
and we'll amuse ourselves one day wi
with the memories we'll trace

get out the map
get out the map
and lay your finger anywhere down
we'll leave the figuring for those we pass
on the way outta town
don't drink the water
there seems to be something ailing everyone
i'm gonna clear my head
i'm gonna drink that sun
i'm gonna love you good and strong
while our love is good and young

(

music (a solo banjo, rather upbeat happy tune....) and m lyrics by emily
saliers.  typos by me :)  (and a w question mak a mark means i'm not sure
that's the exact word....)

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date:         mon, 3 jun 1996 21:45:05 mst
reply-to:     susan marine <smarine@cc.colorado.edu>
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subject:      t magee t shirts

hi all... several of you little sweeties have written to me asking for
more info on this t magee tshirt operation. i pulled up the web site
again, it can be found at:
http://www.ncn.net/tmagee/indigo.htm

i found it on the web using alta vista, a search mechanism. the web site
talks about selling ig tshirts for $16 in large or xlarge, the one that came
up on my monitor in graphic was the swamp ophelia one from the fan club
and th other one, which was harder to make it, *highly* resemblkes my
bumper sticker from the 94/95 so tour....

i am not certain if this is a legit operation, and it seems like maybe
we should just order from the fan club if it is the same stuff, i don't
know....

i sure wish someone would go ahead with one of the ideas for a tee
we tossed around earlier this year (hint hint) :)

anyway, that's the deal, friends. bye for now-
susan

"now i know that a refuge never grows
from a chin in a hand and a thoughtful pose...
gotta tend to the earth if you want a rose"
                                -emily saliers

smarine@cc.colorado.edu

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subject:      1990 article:  why people can't help liking the indigo girls

september 28, 1990
the boston phoenix

closer to fine
why people can't help liking the indigo girls

by stephanie zacharek

now that you can find a navel gazer with a guitar on every
harvard square streetcorner, it's become delightfully easy --
as well as de regueur -- to hate folkies.  those who had their
fill of folk in the '60s and early '70s (particularly those who
suffered through 1000 playings of "for emily whenever i
may find her" at the mercy of moody older siblings) now feel
perfectly entitled to shun impassioned vocals and lyrics that reek
of self-examination.

those of us who find most folkies insufferable will be especially
irked by the indigo girls' third album, "nomads indians saints"
(epic).  damn it all if they don't consistently thwart our efforts
to hate them.

it's hard to pinpoint what the decatur (georgia) duo of emily
saliers and amy ray do right.  why it is that even as they gaze
at their navels, they renew our interest in our own?  for one thing,
their harmonies are consistently glorious -- their exquisite blends
make the same sense as a celtic knot, seamless and whole, with the
same profound sense of order and organization.  for another, even
when their music is sparsely arranged, constructed only from the
raw materials of voice and acoustic guitar, it has splendid contours.
a song can have the pleasingly rough texture of bark, or a surface
that's been sanded to silky smoothness.

perhaps most important, ray and saliers have taken great care
with their lyrics.  so what if, occasionally, their prose sounds as
though it could have been written by an oversensitive, overly
bookish junior-high school girl?  that may be the secret to their
appeal.  how many of us didn't, at some time during our more
tender years, write a furtive poem on the inside of a notebook
cover -- either to assuage some pain we felt at the moment, or
as an anxious dress rehearsal for misery we had yet to feel?
even though saliers and ray are adults, not to mention skilled
and mature musicians, their musings retain some greenness.
they evoke the days when we were just putting the training
wheels on our ability to deal with sadness.

nomads indians saints is neither more nor less cheery than the
indigo girls' homonymous 1989 major-label debut (their first
record, "strange fire," was released on their own label in 1987).
if anyone has tried to tell them they'd be much prettier if only
they'd smile more, they have staunchly refused.  still, even
their saddest ruminations are always informed by a spark of
hope; they reassure us that all this poking around in the
catacombs of the subconscious will pay off in the end.

they've found, for example, fresh ways to address the age-old
theme of post-love weariness.  saliers's "you and me of the
10,000 wars" shows us a now-quiet battleground, the site of
a lovers' war fought (like nearly all holy wars) not for noble
causes but for stinky old pride.  the closing lines ("sweep the
ashes, let the  silence find us / a moment of peace is worth
every war behind us / you and me of the 10,000 wars") show
how the aftermath of conflict can be at once somber, restful,
and sweet.  although a battlefield never becomes an ordinary
field again, its grass still remembers how to grow green.

even when the indigo girls' revelations are less than profound,
they take delight in feats of wordplay.  in the pretty country
ballad "southland in the springtime," saliers puzzles over the
mystery of how the south can feel like home, even when it isn't:
"when god made me born a yankee he was teasin' / there's no
place like home and none more pleasin' / than the southland in
the springtime."   and in "hand me downs," ray takes the prize
for one of the finest double entendres of the year:  "i swore i would
never be your sinner, until i held your sin."

much of the verse on nomads indians saints can't stand on its
own as poetry; at times, the lyrics wear self-conscious like
cumbersome snowsuits.  in ray's "keeper of my heart," the
lines "oh, you precious kid / i have a motion just for you / a
warrior, barefoot and dancing / with tears of pain and beauty"
just reach too far for a brass ring that doesn't seem worth the
trouble.

regardless, "keeper of my heart" is not a bad ballad.  it's one
of the record's more stripped-down numbers, featuring ray on
vocals and acoustic guitar, and she keeps it just weighty enough,
without submerging it into melancholy.  furthermore, ray could
probably since "three blind mice" with conviction, in a voice
that has the pleasant roughness (not the mention the flexibility)
of a cat's tongue.

this is just another cause for chagrin among folkie-haters:  an
occasional dud of a lyric doesn't ruin an indigo girls song.  even
when a melody is just sufficiently pretty, if not exactly memorable
("world falls," for example), there are those marvelous voices:
ray's like good black coffee, saliers's like tea with honey.  there's
probably not a song written they couldn't redeem.

their resourcefulness has been rewarded.  because their debut
was such a success, the indigo girls (as well as producer scott litt)
have more resources at their fingertips this time around.  as a
result, "nomads indians saints" benefits from a broader variety
of instruments (from accordian to african percussion), as well
as an understanding of how to best use them.  the stellar cast
of supporting players don't hurt either.  mary chapin carpenter
sings background on two of the songs.  r.e.m.'s peter buck plays
dulcimer on one track, and ex-db peter holsapple contributes
keyboards or accordian on others.  bassist sara lee, drummer
jim keltner, and atlanta's ellen james society join the fray
on various tracks.

"nomads indians saints" also benefits form more sophisticated
arrangements.  "watershed" is rhythmically richer than anything
the indigo girls have done, giving us more to listen for than
insightful lyrics and gorgeous harmonies.  guitars (acoustic and
electric) and percussion chug along during the chorus, suggesting
the comforting perpetual motion of tires on the road.

and in "the girl with the weight of the world in her hands,"
saliers's lone vocals are backed by a lush string section.  the
cello plays the mournful, quiet creature that sits at the bottom
of the sea; the violins are the silvery little fishes that shimmer
near the surface; and saliers's sweet voice skims along the top.
the piece could easily be overbearing, but the effect is achingly
pretty.

"the girl with the weight . . ." closes the record, the sadder
bookend to the ebullient "hammer and a nail," which opens it.
if the indigo girls' followers insist that "nomads indians saints"
has a song that nearly matches the exuberance of "closer to
fine," this is it.  it is, as saliers explains in the press release,
about "not putting things off, about getting down to work."
and indeed the indigo girls do, helped along by jangling
guitars, as well as a real accordion (provided by holsapple)
and a "fake" one (supplied by benmont tench of tom petty's
heartbreakers).  saliers and ray are like cheerful aunts who
roust you out of bed at 4:30 a.m. to milk the chickens (or
whatever), as they deliver their good-natured lecture:  "...a
refuge never grows from a chin in a hand in a thoughtful
pose / gotta tend the earth if you want a rose."

that dad-burn cheeriness is just one of the things folkie-
haters hate about folk -- that, and the fact that folkies see
nothing wrong with pouring their emotions out on the
sidewalk, in front of everybody.  and folkie-haters suspect
that by doing that, folkies are not solving their problems
but merely wallowing in them.  they argue that music can't,
after all, provide a warm, safe haven for anyone.

the indigo girls stay out of the argument altogether.  they
just take up a hammer and a nail and get to work, building
something that's less a haven than an observation tower --
one with lots of big windows.

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date:         tue, 4 jun 1996 11:38:32 -0400
reply-to:     michael reynolds <asl@gandalf.umcs.maine.edu>
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from:         michael reynolds <asl@gandalf.umcs.maine.edu>
subject:      need accomodations in atlanta 8/15-19!!!

does any list member have a couch that i could crash on? i am going down to
cover the paralymics and am trying to save $$ (yes i am going to newport the
previous weekeknd) i found a descent airfare but hotels are pretty
expensive. i'm 22, male, easy going, straight but not narrow minded, big ig
fan, mildly disabled with cerebral palsy (but completely independent, dont
let the term scare you) and i think a few listmembers have met me and can
vouch that i am not a serial murderer...8^) (course with my cp and my
spastic movements, i would probably injure myself more than anyone else if i
was 8^).) if there are any cheap hostels, dorm rooms or anything else anyone
knows about pleaser let me know.
    if you arew coming from atlanta to newport and wanted to see the
northern new england area, (maine, bar harbor in particular) i am an hour a
way, and tho i can't share driving, my dorm room is big enough for a person
to crash for a few nighnt then maybe head down to atlanta...
just a thought,
i will probably have tapes of newport and hopefully photos as well by that
weekend (i finally got a good camera) but then again, if you live in
atlanta, like 500 people will have tapes within two days of the show.....


please write back.
mike r.

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date: fri, 17 may 96 18:01:36 edt
from: bertin lefkovic <indigboy>
to: indigo-girls@netscape.org
subject: fan tour update
message-id: <cmm-ru.1.5.832370496.indigboy@er5.rutgers.edu>

this is not so much an update as it is a consolidation of the most important
information.

rooms have been reserved at the best western in newport for august 9-11.  the
hotel requires a two night minimum stay.  the cost for these rooms are $160
per room per night or $40 per person per night (4 people in a room).  the per
person rate is for groups of more or less than four who want to save some
money by sharing a room with others.  i am still looking for something
cheaper, but cannot guarantee that i will find it.  i need the money for
these rooms asap (or by june 14 at the latest)  you can pay by check or money
order made out to the following name at the following address:

bertin lefkovic
13 besler avenue
cranford, nj  07016
(908)418-7115

to clarify the dates that rooms are available, you can get a room for friday,
saturday, and sunday nights (3 nights) or friday and saturday night (2
nights) or saturday and sunday nights (2 nights).  as i mentioned before, the
hotel requires a two night stay for this weekend.  talk to y'all soon.


there are no strangers here - only friends you haven't met yet

let it grow

bert

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date:         tue, 4 jun 1996 12:57:13 edt
reply-to:     bertin lefkovic <indigboy@eden.rutgers.edu>
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subject:      resending fan tour message

i don't know if this is going through.  it has bounced a couple of times.
sorry for the redundancy.

this is not so much an update as it is a consolidation of the most important
information.

rooms have been reserved at the best western in newport for august 9-11.  the
hotel requires a two night minimum stay.  the cost for these rooms are $160
per room per night or $40 per person per night (4 people in a room).  the per
person rate is for groups of more or less than four who want to save some
money by sharing a room with others.  i am still looking for something
cheaper, but cannot guarantee that i will find it.  i need the money for
these rooms asap (or by june 14 at the latest)  you can pay by check or money
order made out to the following name at the following address:

bertin lefkovic
13 besler avenue
cranford, nj  07016
(908)418-7115

to clarify the dates that rooms are available, you can get a room for friday,
saturday, and sunday nights (3 nights) or friday and saturday night (2
nights) or saturday and sunday nights (2 nights).  as i mentioned before, the
hotel requires a two night stay for this weekend.  talk to y'all soon.


there are no strangers here - only friends you haven't met yet

let it grow

bert

ps - i guess this message is old.  sunday night is $120/$30.

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date:         tue, 4 jun 1996 12:25:05 -0500
reply-to:     paula loos <paula.loos@uc.edu>
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from:         paula loos <paula.loos@uc.edu>
subject:      nigc- anyone from atlanta?

hey ya'll

i have a couple of braves tickets up for grabs for june 21.  these are
absolutely free for anyone who wants them.

paula

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date:         tue, 4 jun 1996 13:26:43 -0400
reply-to:     "rahadyan timoteo (tim) sastrowardoyo" <tisast@nytimes.com>
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from:         "rahadyan timoteo (tim) sastrowardoyo" <tisast@nytimes.com>
subject:      indicated iii

i received a nice surprise at my mail drop yesterday -- the cassette of
indicated iii. after work i hurried to where i'm staying this week
(housesitting and catsitting for chitra the wonder cat) and popped it
into the stereo.

too kewl! now, what can i do for indicated iv: the voyage home?! <grin>

kudos, big virtual smooch and hugs to all involved, from performers to
compilers to tape tree-ers for this project....

best regards,
rahadyan

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subject:      indy 3 reviews??

hi ya'll!

just curious, i just got back on the list and i was wondering if there were
any reviews of the indy 3 tape.  if someone still has the reviews i would
love to read them.  and if noone has done a review....shame!  lets do some!
personally, i think that the music on this tape is much better than the
previous volumes...alot of diversity!
take care
rob

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date:         tue, 4 jun 1996 14:26:36 -0800
reply-to:     elana cooper <ecooper@ljcrf.edu>
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from:         elana cooper <ecooper@ljcrf.edu>
subject:      ig ep for sale

hi everyone.

i am always in need of money, it seems...but this month has been unusually
rough for me.  therefore, i am selling my last ig collectable, a copy of
their 1986 ep.

the cover of the ep is autographed and inscribed by amy, emily, dede vogt
and michelle malone (all of whom contributed to the album's production).
the record is in excellent condition, as is the cover.

serious inquiries only.  if you're interested, email me and we'll talk.

--elana

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date:         tue, 4 jun 1996 16:44:20 -0400
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subject:      don't give that girl a gun

in a message dated 96-06-03 19:58:05 edt, you write:

>date:    mon, 3 jun 1996 15:15:05 mst
>from:    jody k baker <bakerjo@caedm.et.byu.edu>
>subject: don't give that girl a gun
>
>hey y'all,
>i was listening to n*i*s yesterday and noticed that amy gives "a girl
>with a gun" as one of her examples of pushing the needle too far, and
>i was wondering if someone who heard dgtgag in no  knew any
>background into the song/phrase and/or could post the lyrics again.
>
>thanks-you are all fabulous.
>jody

i was curious about that myself b/c, in one of the socs, amy was talking
about walking down the street w/a gun in your hand...something very close to
that.

btw, i have lost all my copies of the socs b/c of trouble w/my computer.
does someone have the complete collection, and would they be willing to send
them to me?  please don't send them, just let me know if you can first!

lorie, who reformatted her hard drive last week w/o thoroughy saving goodies
(yes, on purpose...i was feeling impulsive.)  don't it always seem to go,
that you don't know what you've got til it's gone?

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reply-to:     andrews sarah <andrews@cs.concordia.ca>
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from:         andrews sarah <andrews@cs.concordia.ca>
subject:      amy's socs
in-reply-to:  your message of "tue, 04 jun 1996 16:44:20 edt."
              <960604164419_318420504@emout12.mail.aol.com>

>btw, i have lost all my copies of the socs b/c of trouble w/my computer.
> does someone have the complete collection, and would they be willing to send
>them to me?  please don't send them, just let me know if you can first!
>

i'd love to get my chubby little cyber fingers on such a collection as
well!  if anybody has it - let me know, toooooooo :))))))

thanks a bunch, all!
-sarah

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date:         tue, 4 jun 1996 22:31:08 -0400
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from:         andrews sarah <andrews@cs.concordia.ca>
subject:      joan & a & e

i just have to say this:  i just got ring them bells (joan baez live)
and 'don't think twice, it's alright' is absolutely *incredible*.  i
thought the girls' harmonies couldn't be topped - wow, was i wrong!!
the three of them together just blow my mind - i haven't even listened
to any other songs on the album yet - i'm just playin' this one over
and over and over.  wow.  you kids who went to no are soooooo blessed!

kay, i'm done
-sarah

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date:         tue, 4 jun 1996 22:42:41 -0400
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from:         "<benjamin slavin>" <joansl@aol.com>
subject:      ani difranco-nigc

just got her new cd. i highly recommend it although "not a pretty girl" is
still my favorite. ummm....that's about it.
love,ben

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from:         "karen a. vittek" <kvittek@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
subject:      socs requests?

hi again...rumor has it (i haven't gotten my digest yet) that some people
are looking for the amy socs?  i don't have the tmf ones, but i have some
chickenman ones if you don't have them yet!  i have about 7 of them.  if you
want them, though, you have to act fast! i'm only here for one more week!
exactly one more week, in fact!!  if you don't catch me now, they'll be on
the lifeblood web site later this summer.  but if you're interested in the
next week, i'll be happy to send them to you.

just email me at: kvittek@gladstone.uoregon.edu
with: soc request
in the subject line.

thanks!

k

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from:         lbrown9787@aol.com
subject:      anna and joe- sorry to waste bandwith! (nigc)

hey, anna and joe, i cannot get mail through to either of you for some
reason, so here is a try to get a message through...

anna: i will gladly trade with you. your mailbox says its full!

joe: i really want a rop book. i too am in san fransisco but your address is
bouncing. mail me please if you can

:)

love you all,

larissa

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besides ig, who else played on
that day of considerable note.

michael

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subject:      socs requests?

ack!!  wanted to add a comment here!  the socs are written out!  they're
transcribed!  not the boots!  i am not offering the boots!  i don't have
most of them myself!  just wanted to clarify before i got lots of
disappointed people!!

we now return you to your regularly scheduled digest

k (who remembered to turn her sig off this time!  sorry!)

>date: tue, 04 jun 1996 20:20:26 -0700
>to: indigos
>from: "karen a. vittek" <kvittek@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
>subject: socs requests?
>
>hi again...rumor has it (i haven't gotten my digest yet) that some people
are looking for the amy socs?  i don't have the tmf ones, but i have some
chickenman ones if you don't have them yet!  i have about 7 of them.  if you
want them, though, you have to act fast! i'm only here for one more week!
exactly one more week, in fact!!  if you don't catch me now, they'll be on
the lifeblood web site later this summer.  but if you're interested in the
next week, i'll be happy to send them to you.
>
>just email me at: kvittek@gladstone.uoregon.edu
>with: soc request
>in the subject line.
>
>thanks!
>
>k
>

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subject:      rop tourbooks through fan club

howdy! i recently offered to get some rites of passage tourbooks for
people from a store near here..as i was cleaning out my old mail, i came
across a fan club merchandise list that someone posted a while ago.. i saw
the tourbooks on there for 6 bucks..woo...anyone know if these are still
available?

we are fortunate ones,
joe

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subject:      this that and the other thing

hi y'all,

great to hear some discussion of the red light cafe tape!  if anyone's
still having some trouble getting a hold of the thing, email me and we'll
figure something out...

first: so now that more of you have heard it, what do you all think of
emily's new two on there?  of course, since emily is my hero, i like the
songs very very much, but i'm a little worried about her, emily doesn't
sound like a very happy emily lately... between the lyrics on there and
her choice of joni mitchell's "for free"... and then there's the lines
from get out the map: "and me i'm still half my life on the road / heavier
by the year / heavier by the load..."  she doin' okay?  sounds like she's
going through some tough stuff and is trying to keep hoping, keep
loving...  sounds like me right now, maybe that's what scares me. =)

also: i need to get less shy about promoting my music if i ever hope to
make a living as a songwriter!  so-o-o... =)  *ahem* you all =need= a free
copy of my latest batch of songs! (the plaid album).... what kind of songs
do i write and are they really awful?  well, lessee...  been writing hard
for the past ten years (i'm 24 now) and think i'm actually maybe okay now!
*grin* i shoot for honesty, emotional intelligence with a sense of humor,
harmonies and groove magnets. sort of indigo girls meets dar williams, the
beatles, trip shakespeare, and sarah mclachlan.  my address is:  scot
ninnemann, 704 campus drive #13c, stanford, ca 94305, and if you send me a
blank tape and a few postage stamps/int'l reply coupon i'd be more than
happy to send you your very own copy.  gosh! =)  also, my web site has
lyrics and sound files (.au format) at http://tjwww.stanford.edu/scot
thanks!

peace, love, and those things that you shake up and it snows inside,

scot

why is it that as we grow older and stronger / the road signs point us
adrift and make us afraid / saying "you never can win," "watch your back,"
"where's your husband?" / i don't like the signs that the signmakers made
/ so i'm going to steal out with my paint and my brushes / i'll change the
directions, i'll hit every street / it's the tinseltown scandal, the robin
hood vandal / she goes out and steals the king's english / and in the
morning you wake up and the signs point to you / they say / "i'm so glad
that you finally made it here," / "you thought nobody cared, but i did, i
could tell," / and "this is your year," and "it always starts here" / and
oh, "you're aging well."   ---dar williams

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subject:      happy birthday!! (june 5, 1996)

happy birthday susan!!

"...and there's not enough room in this world for my pain signals cross and
love gets lost and time passed makes it plain of all my demon spirits i need
you the most i'm in love with your ghost..."

sanderson@direct.ca
"ghost"
*:);)*

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subject:      nigc: commonbond

i'm back - yes again ...

i haven't posted show dates for the girls in a while, but here's the june &
july schedule:

june:
6 - vienna tap & grill - vienna, va  - 9pm
7 - macgregor's - havre de grace, md - 9pm
8 - hawthorne's - greenbelt, md - 9pm
9 - west palm pride - west palm, fl - call hotline for time
12 - uncle louie's - norfolk, va - 8pm
13 - legends - raleigh, nc - 9:30pm
15 - june jam - greenville, nc - 6:30pm
18 - all about eve - durham, nc - 8pm
19 - hair spray cafe - asheville, nc - 8:30pm
20 - the white house cafe - norfolk, va - 8pm
21 - philly-dc aids ride - darlington, md - 8pm
23 - baltimore pride - towson, md 2pm
27 - hepburn's - baltimore, md - 9pm
29 - the birchmere - alexandria,va - 8:30pm tickets available @ ticketmaster

july:
4 - mcc (cookout) - gaithersburg, md - 1pm
6 - nomad village - rehoboth, de - 8:30pm
12 - macgregor's - havre de grace, md - 9pm
13 - hawthorne's - greenbelt, md - 9pm
14 - mr. henry's - washington, dc - 6pm
17 - uncle louie's - norfolk, va - 8pm
18 - barista java - raleigh, nc - 8:30pm
19 - warehouse 29 - greensboro, nc - 10pm
20 - hartigan's irish pub - charlotte, nc - 9pm
21 - south ramp - greenville, sc - 9pm
24 - occasions - burlington, nc - 8pm
25 - barley's brew pub - asheville, nc - 8:30pm
26 - hair spray cafe - asheville, nc - 9pm
27 - hide away - rock hill, sc - special group show w/doubting thomas & red
letter day - call club for details (803) 328-6630.

check out their website too --
http://www.intercom.net/local/music/comnbond/comnbond.html

hotline #: (301) 870-7109

go see 'em

chris

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from:         "karen l. tongson" <ktongson@ucla.edu>
subject:      nigc: ani at the mayan

incredible. how could i possibly summarize something that was so
beyond the realm of merely "performance?"  i've never seen an l.a.
crowd so engrossed, moved and hyped. even her troubadour show,
fantastic as it was, wasn't nearly as intense as this.  her first set was
heavily saturated with songs from dilate and napg, although some faves from
oor like "diner" popped up.

as to be expected, all of us on the floor were jammin', sweating and
dancing all night long, but towards the middle of the second set, the
balcony was inspired to move up and about, summoning her out for 4
encores.  sarah lee was more animated than at the other so. cal
shows this week, and for those who attended the concerts in ventura,
santa ana and san diego, the word is the mayan was by far the best
show. (the other ones were incredible too of course :)

oh how i longed to have a dat recorder in my pocket or in some other
inconspicuous location, (although, my screeching and singing would
likely have drowned out any trace of ani). also, my photographer pal
who's shooting our commitment ceremony this summer took some
great shots of the show. ani even grabbed her camera from her during an
andy/sara lee jamfest and took a photo of them onstage!  (i'll let you know
how it turned out).

it's tuesday and i'm still reeling from the experience.
ever an aniphile,
karen

________________________________________________
karen l. tongson
hedgehog extraordinaire,
diva of electronic emissions, dyke music junkie,
lit. aficionado and all around
product of suburban psychosis. ;-/
________________
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from:         "christopher d. payne" <owen4@adnc.com>
subject:      new member

let's see, not four months ago, i tune into a new radio station here in
san diego, and was immediately amazed.  the song was least complicated,
and it was mesmerizing. i turned right instead of left, and on straight
to the music store to pick up my copy of 1200 curfews. i had never even
heard of the girls! that is the kind of effect it had on me. i cannot
believe the music that i have been missing all these years. it is like
they released all of their albums at once (pleasure overload)! i write
lyrics for a local christian contemporary band, and was delighted to
finally hear someone play the same style of music that we do! of course,
e & a have an ability we wish we could tap into, but are happy just to
listen. i am the newest member on this list and am proud of it. hope you
all enjoyed my little story 8^). p.s. personal info....

male (one of few i think that will admit being a fan)
24yrs old
live in san diego

chris payne owen4@adnc.com

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subject:      re: who else played in new orleans???
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in a message dated 96-06-04 23:44:00 edt, mrbcom@worldnet.att.net (michael
bunch) writes:

>besides ig, who else played on
>that day of considerable note.
>
>michael
>
>

let's see... thursday on the stage ig played michelle shocked rocked & the
chamber brothers were reunited quite...loudly. ;)
at the saturday night show, joan osborne opened with a great set, joan baez
was sandwiched in between, and ig blew us away of course (with special guests
michelle i love that voice, that song malone & the infamous gabe harris -joan
baez's "fucking beautiful" -emily's words!- son).
joan osborne also did a show on friday & let me tell ya you couldn't even get
near the freaking
stage!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:)rick
re-living the memories

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from:         amy snyder <ajsnyder@mtu.edu>
subject:      re: nigc-the advocate

hi y'all,
  i live in a small upper mid-west town that is pretty well isolated and i don't
have access to a lot of things that i would like to.  i'm writing to ask if
someone out there might have an old copy of the advocate that they would be
willing to send me.  i'm interested in subscribing but have never seen it and
would like to take a look at it first.  i tried to buy it here but no luck.
if anyone would be willing to do this please e-mail me privately.  thanx.

peace,
amy

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subject:      re: aids ride

>
> attention meadows.( elizabeth).
> not one to usually partake in flaming but kiddo, was that really
> neccessary..you're right it does cost money to feed 1900 rider over the
> course of 6 days..your right not every single penny goes into research
> but.even if only 60% goes to research and the other goes to publicity to
> get people to ride and sponsor,,what difference does it make..its still
> 60% more money they had when they started..whats that saying..you gotta
> spend money to make money...
> all i was reying to do was make people aware that they could help in any
> way..if you don't support this foundation, that is certainly your right.
> and if you feel there are other agencies that do a better job,,thats your
> right too..but if you feel that strongly then tell us the names of those
> agencies..i don't care who you support, the point is that we all need to
> support someone..this is our job
> pardon my french but i've been bustin my ass trying to get sponsors for
> this ride,,i've out iclose to $5oo in postage, xerox, travel registration
> fees. letters to everyone  and any organization i can think off..i begged
> for newspaper articles and volunteered at charities and embarrassed
> myself on the radio just to try to get people to help and with one little
> post you can discourage people from helping..kinda ruined my day..
>
> let me rephrase my plea..i need your help to raise whatever money i can
> to help in this fight against aids and am willing to doing whatever i
> need ( even if my facts are wrong) to do it..
> what have you done?

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on wed, 5 jun 1996, pat chaney wrote:

> > attention meadows.( elizabeth).
> > not one to usually partake in flaming but kiddo, was that really

i wasn't trying to flame anyone, and i *did* try to sound friendly and
nonaccusatory and all that stuff.  i was especially aware of what i
was writing because i was a little ticked at your implication that
all the rest of us list members just frivolously spend our money and
fun stuff and trying to guilt trip us into supporting you, and i was
specifically trying not to respond to that part but rather just the
facts thing.  maybe i didn't succeed.  i don't know.  but, here's my
response to your points:

> > neccessary..you're right it does cost money to feed 1900 rider over the
> > course of 6 days..your right not every single penny goes into research
> > but.even if only 60% goes to research and the other goes to publicity to
> > get people to ride and sponsor,,what difference does it make..its still
> > 60% more money they had when they started..whats that saying..you gotta
> > spend money to make money...

the amount of money spent to support a fundraiser makes a big difference,
for a number of reasons.  if one group can hold a fundraiser that makes x
number of dollars, but eats up half of that in their own costs, relative to
another fundraiser that makes much less but funnels considerably more to the
cause, the people contirbuting to each group have a right to know this.
many people use such information to plan their contributions.  you say below
that you are willing to do "whatever i need, even if my facts are wrong."
well, for people who try to make informed decisions about where to spend their
money, having the wrong facts is not something to be put aside so blithely.

again, i'm not, nor was i before, saying this is not a good cause.  i was
merely pointing out that contrary to your statement that all the money
goes to research, that a large chunk, in fact more than is typical for a
fundraiser, goes to the organization itself for costs.  that this has
been an ongoing controversy for this particular fundraiser is a fact that
people might want to take into consideration.  it doesn't mean that
people shouldn't support the aidsride.  as i mentioned, i have sponsored
someone myself.  but i did that *knowing* that not all the money goes
straight to research - all i was doing was correcting your statement to
that effect.

> > and if you feel there are other agencies that do a better job,,thats your
> > right too..but if you feel that strongly then tell us the names of those
> > agencies..i don't care who you support, the point is that we all need to

i'm not sure it's a question of which does a *better* job - many agencies
pick up different pieces.  as far as aids agencies goes, amfar is one of
the biggest funders of research (as opposed to clinical services).  they
have also had a mixed reputation as far as throwing lavish fundraisers
and lining the pockets of the organization, but my impression is that
more recently they have been cutting down on this.  local organizations
typically do a tremendous job at funding programs while keeping their
own costs down.  in philadelphia, one of the most respected (as far as i can
tell) is from all walks of life, which funnels money to many local
groups.  i'm sure there are similarly respected organizations, for aids
as well as for other good causes, in other places.

> > pardon my french but i've been bustin my ass trying to get sponsors for
> > this ride,,i've out iclose to $5oo in postage, xerox, travel registration
> > fees. letters to everyone  and any organization i can think off..i begged
> > for newspaper articles and volunteered at charities and embarrassed
> > myself on the radio just to try to get people to help and with one little
> > post you can discourage people from helping..kinda ruined my day..

i'm sorry you felt your day was ruined by this.  as i said before, i was
not trying to discourage anyone from contributing.  but.....

> > let me rephrase my plea..i need your help to raise whatever money i can
> > to help in this fight against aids and am willing to doing whatever i
> > need ( even if my facts are wrong) to do it..

...since i do take charitable giving and activist work quite seriously,
i'm not about to ignore such a blatently incorrect statement.  to me,
this undercuts the credibility of the cause; i can imagine someone
feeling quite cheated to discover that the money they *thought* was all
going to research was not.  this is very different from someone knowing
that this was not the case, feeling that this particular organization
filled a need that others did not, and deciding, with this knowledge,
that they wished to contribute.

> > what have you done?

i have done, and am doing, plenty.  and will continue to do so.  but i'm
not about to get into some public debate with you on who's doing more to
promote social good.  this question, to me, smacks of the same
holier-than-thou attitute of your last post, implying that somehow you
are the only one who is doing anything to help the world while the rest
of us fritter away our time and money on our own entertainment.  if you
are truly interested in discussing my activism, i'd be happy to do so
with you privately, as i don't think it's of real list interest.
however, if you're just trying to bait me (or others), perhaps you should
ask *first* what we spend our time and money on, before putting us down
for not doing it your way.

- elizabeth

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date:         wed, 5 jun 1996 09:14:44 -0700
reply-to:     pat chaney <pooh40@mc.net>
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from:         pat chaney <pooh40@mc.net>
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thank you ..had you given this information in the beginning you would
indeed be able to help others make an educated choice..rather than
pointing out the flaws of my organization without mentioning your own
personal choice..now we all have a choice..
oh to correct a point..in my post i said that i had been told by others
that to try and get $ from college students was a waste of time..as
you'll read i defended you all and knew you would prove them wrong..never
was acting high and mighty dear..i was on your side..guess you didn't get
that point...either
in any event this is not the place to debate this or to prevent others
from helping out.. i apologize to all who had to get involved in this
nonsense..
we can all sit and read who does the best job, and explore the
possibilities of of where , how much of our money goes so as to make the
politically correct and most advantageous decision..(what is it emily
says.."i had alot of good intentions..sit around for 50 yrs....."but life
is more than a vision the sweetest part is acting after making a
decision....") well i'm acting..i ask you all to help..i don't care how
you help..just please help ...

oh elizabeth, i wasn't puttin. any one down or baiting anyone to  get
active i was merely asking for help..gee did i hit a nerve.

again i apologize to all bothered by this mindless debate..you won't hear
from me on this subject again.

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from:         kim fischer <rcn@prcn.org>
subject:      re: contributing to the aids ride

hey all...
at 06:57 am 6/5/96 -0700, pat cheney wrote:
>>if you feel that strongly then tell us the names of those
>> agencies..i don't care who you support, the point is that we all need to
>> support someone..this is our job
pat's right... "destination - my community...the street person, my
responsibilty..." if we really want to help... "positive" support or
information is always better. people these days seem so easily discouraged
from random, or even well-thought-out, acts of kindness, and one pessimistic
( and ill-informed ) comment can do a lot of damage to a worthwhile effort.
pat's right... all things that make money cost money... it's part of the
system we live in... it's hard to swallow at times, since one wants *all*
her/his money to go to the cause she/he is donating to... that's human
nature... and, it's also human nature to want to complain about it... but
think about *how* you are complaining and weather or not that complaint will
be a help or will ultimately be destructive. if there's a better
way/effort... tell us, don't just talk about how the donations being made do
not contribute 100% to the cause ( and therefor sound as though you are
trying to discourage people from donating at all ). till then, people like
pat, who bust their butts to make a difference need all the support, praise
+ encouragement that we can give them. here's mine in text format: *go
pat*!!!!!!!!!!!!
peace, y'all... kim.

<kim fischer>
rcn@prcn.org
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i am woman!
i am strong!
( i am exhausted )
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date:         wed, 5 jun 1996 07:21:37 -0700
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subject:      song of the week????

hey... is there no one out there with anything to say about lotk???? geez,
louise... i've been lookin' + lookin' for some interestin' posts about this
here topic, and aint nobody done said nothin'... i is sorely dissapointed...
guess i'll jest g'wan ot ta the porch n' wittle me somethin'....
yawwwwwn..... well... it is a bright n' sunny as a pigs butt day... may as
well play some o' that there ig music whilst i wittle... puts me in a right
mellow mood...
peace... kim
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date:         wed, 5 jun 1996 15:44:14 bst
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subject:      (nigc) joan baez in uk

hi folks,
=20
wow - it's hot and sunny and glorious over here today!  what the hell am i=
=20
doing stuck inside in fron of a bloody computer??!!!

anyway, here are those details about joan's forthcoming show in the uk:

it's on wednesday 3rd july at  chichester cathedral, west sussex
tickets:  =a317, =a315 and =a38.50 (apparently you can't see joan from the=
cheap=20
seats  but there are video screens!)
box office: 01243 780192
support act: sinead loahan (not sure if spelling right!)

hmmm, bit pricey but prob'ly well worth it, so i'll be more than likely be=
=20
there -  especially as it is now looking increasingly unlikely that i'll be=
=20
able to come to newport so i'll need consoling :((((  if anyone else is=20
thinking of going then p'raps we could arrange to meet up...?

wishing you all virtual sunshine,

*************
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date:         wed, 5 jun 1996 09:28:21 mst
reply-to:     susan marine <smarine@cc.colorado.edu>
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from:         susan marine <smarine@cc.colorado.edu>
subject:      happy trails...(nigc)

hi all...i am headed out of colorado in 24 short hours, so i
wanted to say tata for now. this list is a wonderful thing in my
life and yep, i'm going to miss you crazy cats (even though i'll
only be gone for three weeks or so).

so i am off to new hampshire..

peace, love and frosted cherry pop tarts--
susan
p.s. see y'all at newport!!!
p.s.s. bye alan! and howdy, sorry we never got to meet up pal!

"now i know that a refuge never grows
from a chin in a hand and a thoughtful pose...
gotta tend to the earth if you want a rose"
                                -emily saliers

smarine@cc.colorado.edu

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reply-to:     jennifer hall
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subject:      re: rop tourbooks through fan club

it is still listed on their merchandise list for $6.  so i would assume it
is still available.

- jen hall
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from "freeman hamilton (bus)" <fhamilto@bayflash.stpt.usf.edu>, on 6/4/96
5:37 pm:
to: <indigo-girls@netspace.org>

howdy! i recently offered to get some rites of passage tourbooks for
people from a store near here..as i was cleaning out my old mail, i came
across a fan club merchandise list that someone posted a while ago.. i saw
the tourbooks on there for 6 bucks..woo...anyone know if these are still
available?

we are fortunate ones,
joe

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subject:      re: this that and the other thing

>> but i'm a little worried about her, emily doesn't sound like a very
happy emily lately.

i was kinda wondering the same thing.  for those that went to the no jazz
fest, maybe you'll agree.  emily seemed like she was having fun at the
saturday concert at uno, but she really seemed like she didn't want to be
there at the jazz fest concert.  she was kinda quiet and just didn't see
like she was having fun.  grant it, that was my first ig concert, but i do
have their 2 video's and 1200c's and it seems she does normally have fun at
concerts.  any other nojf participants agree?

- jen hall
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from scot ninnemann <scotjohn@leland.stanford.edu>, on 6/4/96 10:11 pm:
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hi y'all,

great to hear some discussion of the red light cafe tape!  if anyone's
still having some trouble getting a hold of the thing, email me and we'll
figure something out...

first: so now that more of you have heard it, what do you all think of
emily's new two on there?  of course, since emily is my hero, i like the
songs very very much, but i'm a little worried about her, emily doesn't
sound like a very happy emily lately... between the lyrics on there and
her choice of joni mitchell's "for free"... and then there's the lines
from get out the map: "and me i'm still half my life on the road / heavier
by the year / heavier by the load..."  she doin' okay?  sounds like she's
going through some tough stuff and is trying to keep hoping, keep
loving...  sounds like me right now, maybe that's what scares me. =)

also: i need to get less shy about promoting my music if i ever hope to
make a living as a songwriter!  so-o-o... =)  *ahem* you all =need= a free
copy of my latest batch of songs! (the plaid album).... what kind of songs
do i write and are they really awful?  well, lessee...  been writing hard
for the past ten years (i'm 24 now) and think i'm actually maybe okay now!
*grin* i shoot for honesty, emotional intelligence with a sense of humor,
harmonies and groove magnets. sort of indigo girls meets dar williams, the
beatles, trip shakespeare, and sarah mclachlan.  my address is:  scot
ninnemann, 704 campus drive #13c, stanford, ca 94305, and if you send me a
blank tape and a few postage stamps/int'l reply coupon i'd be more than
happy to send you your very own copy.  gosh! =)  also, my web site has
lyrics and sound files (.au format) at http://tjwww.stanford.edu/scot
thanks!

peace, love, and those things that you shake up and it snows inside,

scot

why is it that as we grow older and stronger / the road signs point us
adrift and make us afraid / saying "you never can win," "watch your back,"
"where's your husband?" / i don't like the signs that the signmakers made
/ so i'm going to steal out with my paint and my brushes / i'll change the
directions, i'll hit every street / it's the tinseltown scandal, the robin
hood vandal / she goes out and steals the king's english / and in the
morning you wake up and the signs point to you / they say / "i'm so glad
that you finally made it here," / "you thought nobody cared, but i did, i
could tell," / and "this is your year," and "it always starts here" / and
oh, "you're aging well."   ---dar williams

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subject:      re: nigc -  advocate help

hi y'all,
  i just wanted to say thanx and let people that i have received the help i
asked for.  this list and the people never cease to amaze and impress me.  if
people only knew.  thanx again.

peace,
amy

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subject:      fugitive and tmf

hi everyone,
        sorry this is so late, but i was digging through some old saved
posts and found this.  enjoy!
                                        melissa


ar:  "fugitive" is--it's kind of a love song, but it's
     also, you know, it's very abstract.  it's me, the
     struggle within myself and the struggle with someone
     else to create commitment in a world of this--of the
     music industry, which is really kind of screwy.
     and the ideas of invading privacy and--it's about
     freedom, really, and about the ability to be free.
     you can be free no matter what, you know...
     and "touch me fall" is sort of a journey from--
     it deals with ego and true love and, you know, and
     purity, and then it switches over into a mode of
     kind of the--it's fatalistic.  it goes from this
     real pure type thing into a sort of chaotic existence.
     they're very abstract songs.  i don't know what i'm
     writing about half the time when i'm writing, so
     i can't really, like, pin it down like emily does.

es:  because (my songs are) simple.

ar:  no, that's not it.  mine are just--i just let it out
     while i'm writing, so i don't know what it's about.

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subject:      "the ep and more" cd; newport roadtrips

i have seen few comments on this cd.  either that or i was too busy
deleting :).  do people like it?  i personally love it.  i have always had
a fuzzy tape of the ep itself and never cared for too many of those
versions (loc is sooooo sloooow).  but the rest of the cd (i guess that
would be the "and more" part) is great imho.  now i know it has been posted
that those songs are from a recording already available.  i honestly had
never heard any of those songs that a did solo.  what a pleasant surprise!
is that reverse i-live or color me grey?  i have neither of those.  i am
curious to know where these songs are from.  i feel like a new album came
out.  great to hear songs by ig that i have never heard sung before.  also
does anyone else love the echo in the background?  on lifeblood (song 14)
there is just the coolest echo.  normally it would bother me but there is
something quirky about it that has me listening to that song over and over
again.  any other comments on this cd would be nice.
        also is anyone else roadtripping to newport?  i believe my roadtrip
from chicago/ milwaukee to rhode island will be the farthest i've ever
driven to see a concert--actually the farthest i've driven to see anything
:).  i-girl (you had better come), deb, dwayne, --we so crazy!  i hope
lotsa list folks are going.  i wanna meet people instead of names.  faces
with names--i can't wait.  excitement--back to finals studying now :(

greg

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subject:      nigc-temporary bye

hey all,
i'm freeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
just finished my final final, and i'm off to frolic in the sun.  but i'll
be back when summer school starts on the 17th.
so, ttfn!
peace out,
karey

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subject:      catie curtis boot offer (nigc)

hey y'all.....

hope everyone is doing fine this lovely summer's day.  i know there are a
few catie curtis fans out there (if you're not, you should be!).  i just
got my hands on this great recording of a concert she did here a couple
of months ago.  the recording is basically sound-board quality, mainly cause
it was taken from a soundboard :)  a great tape, good stuff on it, a few
surprises (the tape even has igc....if you can find it ;)  anyway, i thought
i'd ov offer to make a copy for anyone who wants it, it really is a nice
recording.  a blank and a sase should do it.  write me privately if you're
interested.  have a great day, y'all :)

cylinda

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subject:      song of the day...lotk

okay...i haven't posted about a song for a long time, but i have a few
extra minutes, and i have been listening to this song a lot lately, and
i think it was kim that was looking for some responses, so i guess i'm
out of excuses not to write....

lotk is a song that reminds me that i have to make decisions everyday
about whether or not i am going to write about my life's experiences, or
if i am just going to keep them holed up inside.  it always reminds me of
madonna "if i live to tell the secrets i have learned...", and i feel
pangs inside.

i have had quite the childhood...some good, some bad...lots better off
forgotten.  the experiences i can put behind me, the lessons i cannot.  i
am now involved with someone who highly disapproves of my past, and it
tears me up that any mention of it makes him uneasy/angry...especially
the happy memories.  i am a writer (or trying to be...).  i write.  it is
my sole existance.  i hope, through my writings, to educate others by
sharing experiences.  a philosopher, maybe van doren?, said that through
"sharing allegories" we can best educate ourselves on human issues.
sharing allegories is such a pleasant, meaningful way of putting it.
so, when i sit down to write, i have to decide whether or not i would
ever try to publish a certain work, because if it is something that would
be "taboo" in my relationship, and it got published, my relationship
would probably be over.  i might not like who i was, but i am willing to
admit that a different amy existed at one point or another.  this song
makes me think about writing about intimate (not necessarily sexual)
situations, and what happens when you sell those memories through
writing...you're sharing your relationship with the world.  so which do
you choose...the language, or the kiss?

all i sold was a poem, or sketch, or story....hemingway's friends were
highly angry when he wrote "the sun also rises", because they saw
themselves, and their faults, exposed, and they couldn't deal with that.
is that what happens?  do people, usually loved ones, abandoned you for
doing what you do best, and sharing it with others to share your own
allegory?  it is a struggle most heart-wrenching...that is for sure.

i am sorry i have no answers...i am sorry for this soc style...it's been
bottled up for awhile now...

love
amy

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in-reply-to:  <31b5b274.3978@mc.net>

        can someone please send me a list of upcoming dates and
ticket-purchasing info!?!?!  i would greatly appreciate it!


        thanks,

        andrea

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subject:      re: this that and the other thing

in a message dated 96-06-05 01:13:41 edt, scot writes:

>first: so now that more of you have heard it, what do you all think of
>emily's new two on there?  of course, since emily is my hero, i like the
>songs very very much, but i'm a little worried about her, emily doesn't
>sound like a very happy emily lately... between the lyrics on there and
>her choice of joni mitchell's "for free"... and then there's the lines
>from get out the map: "and me i'm still half my life on the road / heavier
>by the year / heavier by the load..."  she doin' okay?  sounds like she's
>going through some tough stuff and is trying to keep hoping, keep
>loving...  sounds like me right now, maybe that's what scares me. =)

oooooh...i'm glad you brought that up !
i was just thinking about emily s.'s songs on the 'red light ' tape as
i was jogging (yes jogging! :) back home yesterday.
i think in her new stuff (especially "pray myself through or around it")
she shows a lot of growth and maturity in her songwriting. (except i'm not
too
wild about 'goin' up to the country'...i think the chorus is a little weak by
way
of the musical passage that goes.. "up to the countreeeee..." that just
grates on my nerves.) [duck !! and cover ! :)]
i don't think there is any cause for alarm...to me the songs show
a healthy outlook that comes with age (*creak, groan*)...being able to
acknowledge life's disappointments as well as our own failings, and
coming to terms with them.

added to this growth, is her experience of being a public persona.
she is a success in that she is able to support herself by persuing her
art...a luxury enjoyed by few artists, and she is loved by her audience
with an intensity that is almost frightning...while there are others whom
she probably feels are just as gifted, who toil away in obscurity...
'playing real good for free'
( this is one of my favorite joni mitchell songs, and i am delighted
that es chose to perform it ). i think that this is the paradox that all
famous artists face...'are they really listening to my work ? or are
they just applauding because it's me and i'm famous ?'...why me ?

i was at ig concert once, where the majority of the audience
was rude to the opening act...and they were really good (but different) !
but the crowd was just  wanting to see a & e. i also read some
dissapointment into the article that ar wrote for indigenous
woman magazine on the hte tour, at the lack of respect by
some members of the audience for the message that they
were trying to get across in some of the towns that they played in.
i mean... they must think about these negative aspects of mainstream
success from time to time, who wouldn't ?

and 'life on the road'  must get old after 15 years or so. i've only spent
a few summers away from home doing forestery stuff and it really
took a toll...i really really missed not being able to watch my garden grow,
not to mention my fluffy, fuzzy kittys. i can't imagine what the life of a
touring musician is like (and ig must be one of the hardest working
bands around :)

it was great to hear them in a caual setting like "the red light"... it
reminded me of 'live at the purple parrot' ...with amy promising free
beers to the audience to make up for the high cover (love it !)...
playing those small gigs must be real nice for them after playing the
larger venues.
...but i will have to say that they seem to make an effort to keep the
venues as small as possible when on tour..even if it means added shows.

they seem like real good people to me, i'm glad they are takin' it easy this
year :)
love !
binky
"i heard it in the wind last night, it sounded like applause
  chilly now, end of summer, no more shiny hot nights
       it was just the arbutus rustling
               and the bumping of the logs
                  and the moon swept down black water
                     like an empty
                                      spotlight "
(her royal joniness)
[ arbutus : aka; madrone; arbutus menziesii / a tree found
  along the pacific coast / common in british columbia,
  washington, and oregon.]

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subject:      red light cafe boot offer (repost)
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              debatediva@aol.com, 99vorpag@lab.cc.wmich.edu

greetings dear listers,

here's a repost of the red light cafe boot offering for those who may have
missed it...  if for some reason, you've contacted your appropriate tape
tree person and never heard back from them, pick another person at random
from the list, and they should help you out!

peace

scot

---------- forwarded message ----------
date: mon, 13 may 1996 11:04:25 -0700 (pdt)

well, here it is, containing new ig tunes...
                             --- -- -----
=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=

amy ray, emily saliers, michelle malone, cooper seay
live at the red light cafe, atlanta, 25 february 1996.

contents:

   cooper seay: like a woman
   michelle malone: hamlet went swimming
   amy ray: don't give that girl a gun
   emily saliers: "going to the country" (title unconfirmed)
   cooper seay: silver bullets
   michelle malone: medicated magdalene
   amy ray: the ballad of squeaky fromme
   emily saliers: "pray my way through or around it" (title uncf.)
   cooper seay: in the afternoon
   michelle malone: dimming soul
   amy ray: cut it out
   emily saliers: for free
   ig: part of a vic chestnutt song (gets cut off)

   plus amy at rainy day records in-store, 31 december 1994:
     lincoln duncan (paul simon)
     problem child (a.k.a. "go go go," which track 14 on 1200 curfews is
                    part of, here she plays the whole thing)


got this from a very kind person who snuck a tape recorder into the gig.
=)  the sound quality indeed sounds like a tape recorder snuck into a gig,
not a soundboard recording, but all in all it's pretty good.  you can
understand amy quite well, and every word of emily's is clear as a bell.
michelle and cooper mumble occasionally, but that's not my source's fault.
;) wendy bucklew played at the gig too, but she got edited out on the
master for tape conservation reasons... but hey, ya can't have everything!

for those who aren't familiar with cooper (of viva la diva) or michelle
(solo or with band de soleil) here's a chance to get acquainted.  this is
actually my favorite michelle stuff that i've heard, hamlet went swimming
and medicated magdalene get stuck in my head like you wouldn't believe...


"quit babbling, scot!  how do i get this thing?"
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=

those living outside the us, contact a volunteer from a nearby country:

uk: andrew (rbc31@dial.pipex.com)
canada: kim (rcn@prcn.org)
australia: sherlyn (sherlyn@fl.net.au) who will i will mail a copy of the
           tape tomorrow because the last one i sent her i forgot to copy
           side b like a dummyhead. =)

those living in the us, please contact the person who's been assigned your
birthday.

jan 1-jan 23    cylinda  ccp5913@acs.tamu.edu
jan 24-feb 15   sarah    sanawike1@aol.com
feb 16-mar 9    jude     hunterj1@aol.com
mar 10-mar 31   bon      bonster@alaska.net
apr 1-apr 22    sherry   s-fire@ix.netcom.com
apr 23-may 15   john k.  jkobza@interaccess.com
may 16-june 7   lorie    mediamongr@aol.com
june 8-june 30  lisa n.  nordeelm@caa.mrs.umn.edu
july 1-july 23  sunny    sun@swcp.com
july 24-aug 15  susan    smarine@cc.colorado.edu
aug 16-sep 7    jim      jcd0001@jove.acs.unt.edu
sep 8-sep 30    keith    isbelpk@okra.millsaps.edu
oct 1-oct 23    paula    plaine@seaccd.sccd.ctc.edu
oct 24-nov 15   suzanne  suzanne_dunne@baylor.edu
nov 16-dec 7    karen    brdopl.kduncan@state.ut.us
dec 8-dec 31    lisa m.  lmayne@u.washington.edu

a big thanks again to all the tape tree volunteers!  drop them some email,
and they'll tell you where to send your 90-minute tape and postage-paid
return envelope.

     "i don't come here seeking answers
      i come only seeking peace
      until this tired fist around my heart
      is suaded to release
      and i wish the same for all my friends
      all my friends."
                           -emily, "going to the country"

peace

scot

scotjohn@leland.stanford.edu
http://tjwww.stanford.edu/scot/

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subject:      nigc - dar williams out-of-print tapes?

hi folks,

there wouldn't happen to be any kind souls on here who have copies of dar
williams' two out-of-print early tapes, would there?  how i would love to
hear this early stuff of hers, maybe i could trade some weird
miscellaneous ig boots or something for a boot of it...

peace, love, and students against the treacherous use of fur,

scot

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subject:      the ep and more?

could someone please take a moment to list the songs and price on this cd.
for some reason i never saw the original posting on this.

thanks in advance,
carlisle

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subject:      re: the ep and more?

>could someone please take a moment to list the songs and price on this cd.
> for some reason i never saw the original posting on this.

many apparently don't even know what this is so here goes.

the ep and more setlist:

the ep:
land of canaan
lifeblood
history of us
never stop
cold as ice
finlandia

and more part:
falling star
carry me away
sweet gypsy
i'll be there
you are free
(these are all amy solo)

land of canaan
lifeblood
never stop
cold as ice
should have never crossed my path

this has been unavailable on cd until now.  the ep is the unofficial first
ig album and is a must have for ig fans.  the sound is really good imo
considering how old the recording is.  it cost $34.95 from rdr.  there were
a limited number available from what i understand but feel free to call and
ask perry if he has anymore.  he may get more in because i waited a month
for mine.  call him at 1-800-636-6166 to find out more.  later

greg

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subject:      free advocate trial

since someone was asking about the advocate and others might be
interested, you can get a free 3 month trial to the advocate by going to:

http://www.glowww.com/text/net/advocate.html

pretty cool :)

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subject:      happy birthday!!! (june 6, 1996)
x-cc:         layoder@cc.owu.edu, whit.kuhn@happcontrols.com

happy birthday lesley and whit!!

"then you said that you'd go down to mexico
i think that i might go there too
but it's probably too late
to find someone like you"

"...i stand where you stood i stand for bad or good i am green you are
wood..."

birthday folks:
layoder@cc.owu.edu (lesley)
whit.kuhn@happcontrols.com (whit)
"chiapas bound"
"cedar tree"
*:);)*

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subject:      emily's autograph

i was just wondering if anyone has ever gotten an autograph from emily where
she signs her last name. i've only seen her sign her 1st name & was wondering
if anyone had an autograph w/ the last name ...probably extremely rare. what
made me think of this was that she came into where i work & bought something
& when i looked at the credit card reciept it (obviously) had her whole name
signed & it looked so weird to me.

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subject:      zoinks scooby- that looks like amy/emily!!!!!

well i had a pretty weird day.
on the bus ride home, we pulled up to this stop & there's this old lady
standing there, waiting for another bus. but what strikes me the most is that
she could be a total ringer for amy ray in about 20 years!!!!!!!!!!!  i
couldn't believe the similarities!!
then, tonight, i was watching space ghost coast to coast (can ya tell that i
live for the cartoon network or what??) & susan olsen (the artist formerly
known as cindy brady) was on & i kept thinking, boy, she looks like emily a
little bit!!!!!

just a random thing there.
whatever. :)

rick


*all in all another fall won't even make a dent.......*

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is your web site the best kept secret on the internet?
we'll promote it around the internet and complete the job
in two business days.  for details, please respond to:

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subject:      nojf bootlegs available now :)

well, finally!  after a month of waiting and last minute flurries,
we finally have the new orleans jazz festival boots!


what these are:

the 5-2 show has been made available curtesy of chris antolini and the 5-4
show was dubbed in dat at the concert by a friend in ca. it's a beautiful
tape and i know y'all will *enjoy* it :)

the setlists are:

5-2 show                                     5-4 show

galileo                                      thin line
reunion                                      the wood song
southland in the springtime                  this train (revised)
power of two                                 power of two
this train (revised)                         don't give that girl
the wood song                                     a gun
don't give that girl a gun                   least complicated
crazy game                                   nashville
tried to be true                             get out the map
closer to fine
                                             chiapa bound
genecide                                     closer to fine
chiapa bound                                 shame on you
three hits                                   crazy game
least complicated                            tried to be true
thin line                                    galileo
shame on you                                 don't think twice
finlandia                                         w/ j. baez
                                             wild horses w/
                                                   m. malone
                                             finlandia w/ j. baez

the dubbers are:

england (euro-austrailia) - seffy@epic.co.uk (seffy)
canada  - andrews@cs.concordia.ca (sarah)
pacific and anywhere else outside the u.s. - hunterj1@aol.com  (jude)

aries - mediamongr@aol.com (lorrie)
taurus - smidge@ix.netcom.com (kelly)
gemini - nancy@rbdc.rbdc.com (nancy)
cancer - zkaa76a@prodigy.com (donna)
leo - kram21@aol.com (kelly)
virgo - mjg333@aol.com (marcy)
libra - kmcleroy@umich.edu (karra)
scorpio - sanawike1@aol.com (sarah)
sagittarius - suzanne_dunne@baylor.edu  (suzanne) (the baylor.edu must be

                                                        lower case)
capricorn - sharney@smith.smith.edu (sue)
aquarius - janinsdale@aol.com (jan)
pices - astaples@email.unc.edu (amy)

what to do:

send e-mail to the dubber representing your birthmonth and ask for their
address so you can send your self-addressed, self-stamped padded envelope
(you can get these at the post office) containing two 90 minute blank
cassettes (if you want both shows).  address the padded envelope to yourself
and put it into a larger envelope.  whatever the cost is to mail the package,
put that same amount in stamps on the padded envelope, seal up the larger
envelope and send it.

i want everyone to know that i have only today sent out the 5-4 show to the
dubbers so they will not receive it until maybe monday?  also, i am planning
and still working on the cassette liners so even tho you may email your
friendly dubber and get those sase's ready, it is going to be another week
before the dubbers can even begin to work on this offering.  so plan
accordingly.  think of your friends who have left the list for the summer and
let them know of the offering....

enjoy !

jude :)

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subject:      nigc - star trek, "q", and a religious ?

hi everyone! ! ! ! ! !

while driving today i started to think about star trek (the next generation)
and it occured to me one of the villainous characters was named q.  now
it has been a while since i saw those episodes with q - so i need help from
all you trekies out there- who/what exactly was q - i mean why was he
powerful- was it time travel?  i just can't remember.

the reason why i ask, is because it occurred to me that maybe
"q"'s name had something to do with the gospel "q" (short for quelle
meaning "list" i think in german)  - which suppossedly predated the
4 traditional gospels and was a basis for the parables in mark and luke.

now, i am sure you all must think i am a little wacky right about now -
but stick with me a little longer.  didn't "q" speak in riddles, and was
omnipotent - knew truths that the lowly star trek folk didn't know...????
could bop in and out of different time periods????

these characteristics seemed similar to "q"/gospel too - because
scholars have never archaelogically retrieved remnants of such a
document but through interpretation - they have pieced toghether what
"q" would have said by comparing the similarities between mark and luke.
sounds like the riddle of all riddles to me, don't you think?   and the
whole debate about whether "q" actually exists and if so- if it really
predates matthew - which a lot of people think is the oldest gospel
(...time travel .... am i making any sense at all? .....)  in the one
religion
class i took in college, the whole goal of our scholarship was to find out
who historically jesus was, and find out as closely as possible what he
actually said or taught - and of all the different stuff we read, the "q"
theory
seemed to make the most sense to me -

so- whatever -  i know this is sort of a weird rambling of observations.
i hope i haven't annoyed too many folk- but if anyone has thoughts
or comments - i am all ears ( just don't call me dumbo)  ;>)

- dana

if you made it this far- hey thanks for reading.
bye- dana

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subject:      (nigc) joan again

hi again,

aargh - cyber-gremlins are living in my computer - if anyone knows how to
stop those '=20' things sprinkling themselves all over my mail then please help!

just to clarify the ticket prices for the joan baez july 3rd concert - they
are 17 pounds, 15 pounds and 8 pounds 50.


seffy
***********
oh no - they've buggered up my sig as well... >:(
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subject:      1990 article:  mood indigo

january 1990 -- atlanta magazine

mood indigo
by melissa harris

amy ray and emily saliers have just plunged into their opening number at
birmingham's uab arena, and they're not even closer to fine.

after one false start on their catchy radio single "closer to fine," the
indigo girls are
again struggling to harmonize over a rude crackling noise invading their
microphones.
it may as well be the sound of amy's fuse frying down to blast- off.

"fuck it!" hisses the brunette spark plug, flinging her pick into the air.
for the second
time in as many minutes the music stops. with a glare that could deflect
sniper fire,
amy thrusts her guitar into the hands of a wide-eyed roadie and stomps out
of sight.

awkward silence.

emily stands frozen, then quickly resurrects her composure and grins
sheepishly at the
hushed audience. "hey, did ya'll here the joke about the...?"

birmingham was just another stop along the road - literally and figuratively
- for the
indigo girls. it was the next-to-last show of a two-week tour plagued by
equipment
failures and bronchial infections.

in terms of the road atlanta's indigo girls have traveled in the last year,
from little five
points bar band to gold-album prodigies, the glitches in birmingham amount
to less
than a pothole.

after signing their first major-label contract with epic records in the fall
of 1988, the
girls began touring with big- time bands such as athens' r.e.m., neil young,
and the
violent femmes.

by last october, sales of their "indigo girls" gold album were hurdling past
700,000
copies, and it was one of epic's hottest properties. the acoustic twosome was
playing to mostly sold-out crowds at its own headline concerts. they had
released two
singles - "closer to fine" and "land of canaan." they'd rsvp'd to
invitations from
tv's david letterman, pat sajak, david sanborn and the today show. there were
plans for spots on saturday night live and the arsenio hall show, and the
girls had
recorded "get together" for a wonder years episode.

all this and critical acclaim, too. save one all-out gouging by a rock
critic jon pareles
of the new york times - after his paper had earlier crowned the girls' lp
"pop album
of the week" - the pair has basked in hosannas. spin magazine described them as
having "voices that could shake redwoods" and the boston globe pronounced theirs
"the best debut album so far this year."

not to mention grammy talk, only natural after a year that rocketed the
girls to no. 16,
in october, on the rolling stone top 50 album chart.

but the fleeting scenes of a night in birmingham and the midnight road back
to atlanta
are instructive: herein, a peek at what happens when the big time beckons, a
miniprimer on amy ray, 25, and emily saliers, 26, and why two folk singers with
acoustic guitars are one of the first bands in years to effectively inform
the musical
world georgia does not end at the athens city limits.

"we enjoyed playing for ya'll. good night - just kidding," says emily saliers
(pronounced sale-yers), the strawberry blonde indigo girls who, with her more
emotive partner, has just returned to the uab stage. wiring snags addressed,
the duo
makes their third stab of the evening at "closer to fine."

dressed in a peach pullover, white overalls and sneakers, emily delivers the
verses of
"closer" in her elegant murky soprano. gymnastics are not her style. she may
bob up
and down when she really gets going, but generally, she moves onstage like the
animal she is - a classically trained guitarist. vertebrae aligned, wrists
flexible.

it is amy - in ripped jeans, black t-shirt and steel-toed, spur heeled
cowboy boots -
who delivers the visual fireworks at an indigo girls concert. lots of feet
shuffling, a la
axl rose (lead singer of one of amy's favorite heavy-metal bands, guns n' roses)
and lots of neck-veins popping and microphone lipping.

under spot-lights, her deep-set eyes dissolve into dark maelstroms beneath heavy
bangs. spin magazine has observed the "she storms across the stage like no one
ever told her acoustic guitars aren't 'axes.' "

but amy, still fuming, is noticeably immobile for the opening lines of
"closer." waiting
to chime in on the chorus, she stares down at a spot on the floor with the
look that says
you don't even want to know what's going to happen if it doesn't work this time.

it works.

"thanks for being so patient," says the ever-cordial emily, sometimes called
sunny by
amy and their friends.

"this has been the tour from hell as far as wires go," adds amy, whose
tempest has
by now - typically - blown over like a fierce but brief summer shower.

occasional tantrums notwithstanding, the indigo girls are rare among musical
acts
today in that their work overshadows their personalities. they have
attracted many of
their fans, in the last year anyway, through a vinyl disc and its intensely
personal, yet
universal, messages.

as for self-promotion, the girls stay at half-mast. they do not sport buzz
cuts or skimpy
outfits. they favor blue jeans and t-shirts and the sort of fashionably earnest
save-the-whales pitches we've come to expect from serious musicians.

the back cover of their gold album stumps for greenpeace, coalition for the
homeless, amnesty international and people for the ethical treatment of
animals. on
this fall's south- eastern tour, they were asking pro-choicers to sign a
petition being
circulated by a student group.

but social concerns are practically the only traits the girls share.

emily meets newcomers with a polite lifting of the eyes. her voice is raspy
and quiet,
her body language unassuming. as one friend notes, "emily is a very rich person
inside, and she is certainly not going to show that off."

amy, on the other hand, marches right up and sticks out her hand. her
speaking voice
has that throaty, raucous, honking quality you associate with a bad cold.
her world
seems to consist of two colors, black and white, and her moods of two extremes,
happily bubbling or dramatically boiling. (she once fractured a bone in her
hand by
slamming her fist into a door.)

"amy's first response is emotional, and then she thinks things through,"
says her
manger, russell carter.

as for their acclaimed music, critics have a hard time nailing down exactly
what it is,
describing their music as folk, folk-rock, acoustic pop, acoustic folk-rock
and so on.
the girls prefer the term - if you must - acoustic rock.

it's not hard to read into their popularity a nostalgia for the '60s and
'70s or a social
agenda for the '80s and '90s, but the girls come pretty close to being
honest-to-god
originals.

the hedge at the "folk singer," label, but only three songs on "indigo
girls" could be
credited with any kind of foot tapability - "closer to fine" (their first
radio single),
"land of canaan" (their second radio single) and "tried to be true" (in
which they
front r.e.m.).

few would argue that cheerful rockers have been the girls' bread and butter.
fans
come to their concerts not to party but to commune.

ironically, the girls' seriousness is the sole element critics consistently
harp on,
smirking at their brand of "new american sincerity." and there's no denying they
occasionally lose self control, particularly on a couple of unforgivable
cringers such as
"feeding the cancer of my intellect" and the preachy "your actions will
follow you full
circle round."

emily, the lead guitarist who thanks joni mitchell "for the inspiration" on
the album
notes, is the balladeer - and voice of reason - for the two.

her tunes and lyrics, like her personality, tend toward the quietly
thoughtful and
complex. her images (posters of rasputin, someone of the bathroom floor doing
cocaine), hearken back to real experiences.

"we always joke that my songs are little ditties," she laughs.

amy's compositions, however, erupt from the gut and gun unashamedly for same.

in "kid fears," hailed by some critics as the album's most powerful moment, her
high-octane alto growls and bellows in clever metaphors about idealism sold
for a
price. ("skipping stones/we know the price now/any sin will do./how much
further if
you can spin/how much further if you are smooth.")

amy, after all, is the person who wrote "secure yourself," a song about the
spiritual
journey into heaven, after her cat died.

and with lyrics like these from "blood and fire," "i'm looking for someone
who can
take as much as i give/give back as much as i need/and still have the will
to live," a
singer had best have her sincerity fully intact.

so much for the lifestyles of the rich and famous.

amy and emily are back at the motel near the uab arena, picking up for the
late-night
haul back to atlanta. rented as a preshow crash pad, the room features yellow
concrete-block walls and fungicidally green carpet.

"how do you like these plush accommodations beth [stuebenbord, the girls' road
manager] lined up for us?" laughs amy, adding that typically they've managed
better.

emily staggers from the room under the weight of a gaping garment bag, known on
the inside joke circuits as "baby shamu."

"shamu done split a side," she ad libs, hoisting the bag onto the red ford
rental van
that has carried the girls for two weeks.

in the rear seat of the van are the indigo girls' two technicians for this
tour: a sound
engineer and a guitar technician. beth, the road manager whom the girls like
to call
bunny, shares a seat with emily.

amy is at the wheel when the van pulls onto i-20 east. never mind that she
has just
completed an emotionally draining two-hour performance and it is near 1 a.m.
atlanta
time. or that she and emily have been on the road for seven months.

amy wants to drive. amy usually drives.

"i feel like this is probably the hardest year of my life," announces emily,
volunteering
for the first time that she is strictly a homebody at heart.

"sometimes i feel like it's not a real life to be moving from town to town
every day. part
of real life is being in a situation where you go through a daily routine.
it's very real and
constant and not 1,000 people a night feeding your ego."

amy, as usual, sees it differently.

"i actually get restless if i'm home for more than like a month," she
explains. "this has
been for me, for personal reasons, a easier year than i'm used to. but i judge
everything on an emotional level - how happy i am. not like where i am and
what i'm
doing. i do look forward to my time off though."

time off is still a distant fantasy.

tomorrow night in macon they finish their southeastern tour. their schedule
for the
next five weeks includes two tv appearances in new york, a sold-out aids
benefit in
at the fox in atlanta, a 25-day tour in europe, the possibility of more tv
in new york
and l.a., then a stint in the recording studio in february for their next album.

as their manager-lawyer, russell carter, puts it, "when you have a hit
record, you just
grab the reins and hold on and try to keep it from getting out of control."

from where the indigo girls sit tonight, a couple of free days in atlanta
are looking
fine.

for all their divergent ways and means, the indigo girls come from
strikingly similar
beginnings. and for all their dark lyrical intensity, they come from
strikingly carefree
beginnings.

each is one of four children from tightly knit, high-achieving families in
suburban
decatur. they grew up a few miles apart, both attending laurel ridge elementary
school, shamrock high school and, eventually, emory university.

emily is the second-oldest of four girls. the sole redhead among three
blondes, she
was told as a child that her red hair came from her grandfather red saliers,
a jazz
musician in new york in the 1920s.

her father, don saliers, is an easygoing, soft-spoken man. in a tweed
jacket, reading
glasses dangling from one hand, he couldn't look more like a college professor -
which he is - if he tried. an ordained methodist minister, he teaches
theology at emory
university. he is also a composer, pianist and organist.

his wife, jane saliers, an articulate woman made even more so by caution ("emily
told us not to say anything mean"), also looks her part: a children's
librarian at the
public library on ponce de leon avenue. in a high-necked blouse and full
skirt, she
wears little makeup and her thick brown hair is cropped into a short, simple
style.

the priorities of the saliers are no mystery. books and sheet music are stacked
everywhere. in the corner of the den is a grand piano.

music is serious business in this household.

one of emily's sisters is studying classical opera with a coach from the
metropolitan
opera in new york. another assists the choir director at her college, and
the third is a
singer. emily's own musical penchant hardly came as a surprise.

as a 9-year-old in new haven, conn., where don saliers taught at yale, she had
come to her mother with and advertisement for guitar classes at the ymca. a
musical
cousin helped her pick out a $20 guitar.

the memory tickles her mother. "in emily's guitar class, the teacher was always
cocking his head and looking around to see who that was who sounded so
different."

a few years later, growing up in atlanta, emily studied with a classical
guitarist who
told her parents, "look, just let her play the way she wants to."

emily was writing songs in grammar school - message oriented music about living,
laughing, loving and pollution, neatly foreshadowing the issue-affiliated
indigo girls.

for the introspective emily, although always a good student and fairly
involved, high
school was "always painful - no matter what." most of her pals were from the
school
chorus, she recalls, "and we were never considered cool.

"there weren't very many people with whom i had a special bond or
relationship. i was
still scratching at who i was."

most of the attention she received in high school was for music, drama and good
grades. her senior year the teachers voted her a senior superlative and her
classmates, most talented.

but for the most part, she looked to her family for acceptance.

"most of our daughters were always a little on the outside, not the rah-rah
girls," says
jane saliers. emily's father adds, "they found themselves looking beyond
high school
at a fairly early time."

meanwhile, in the ordinary brick home across the street from shamrock high
school,
amy ray - in typical amy ray fashion - had a few plans brewing of her own.

third among four kids, amy was born in atlanta in april 1964 to frances and
larry
ray. her father is a radiologist and president of the medical staff at
georgia baptist
hospital, and her mother is a homemaker.

like the saliers, the rays begat go-getters. one of amy's sisters is a
resident in the
hospitals affiliated with emory university's school of medicine, her younger
brother is
in emory med school, and anther sister, after a few years of molecular biology,
dropped medicine to run her own "wearable art" clothing store in durham, n.c.

a pistol, amy ray was writing her own plays by second grade. because she would
rush through classroom assignments in order to sit and socialize before the
bell, she
picked up the nickname "rush ray" in elementary school, a name that still
applies.

amy learned the flute and, about age 12, in an ironic parallel, she heard
the call of the
ywca guitar class.

as a high schooler, with an amplifier her parents helped buy, amy also
played at a few
restaurants, like big al's, a short-order joint in decatur, and dante's down
the hatch.
she also performed in the family's methodist church.

she and emily saliers had been acquaintances for years, friendly but never
running in
the same circles. amy, in fact, despised emily in grade school, jealous of
her more
advanced musical abilities. they didn't become a musical duo on any routine
basis
until late in high school.

unlike emily, the aggressive amy was a natural at high school survival. elected
president of her 10th and 11th grade classes, she ran cross country and
track, played
flute in the marching band, shot photos for the yearbook, sang in the
concert choir. her
senior class voted her best leader. like emily, she was a senior superlative.

"she's always had a tremendous amount of energy. she is a worker," her mother
says. "she's always told us there are other people more musically talented
than she is,
but that she wants to do this more than other people."

nevertheless, the amy ray who graduated from shamrock high school in 1982 was
not the amy ray of today, the bellowing dynamo with a tattoo on her left
forearm.

her sister susan recalls going to see amy play at houlihan's at lennox
square. "it
was really pretty awful. she was so shy. she sat down to play and didn't
look up. her
hair was falling in her face and she played lots of slow ballads like jim
croce. people
would hardly listen to her because there was no personality there."

while amy's parents indulged her ambition, they openly feared she was asking for
heartbreak.

"we didn't push her into this, that's for sure," says larry ray. i told her
there are 150
million people out there who think they can sing and write songs. i have no
connections and no way to help you other than encouragement, and i don't
think you
should count on this."

"she didn't listen to any of it."

"we always did things to make ourselves feel better about out music," says amy,
explaining, at 80 mph in the wee hours of the morning, how the indigo girls
came to be
where they are. and why there making it when those 150 million other wanna- bees
are not.

to have amy at the wheel with foot to the floor for this topic is fitting.
she has
commandeered the indigo girls in much the same fashion. although both girls
wanted
to be musicians, it was doubtless amy's singlemindedness, plus some perceptive
navigating, that have largely kept them on track.

"amy knew how to make decisions back when we were on our own," emily says.
"like she knew we needed to start playing rock clubs instead of folk clubs
because
people in rock clubs tend to be more openminded to different kinds of music.
i had no
idea what steps to take."

amy's and emily's lives have been laced erratically together for almost 15
years, but it
was not until about 1980, when they began playing together on a regular
basis, that
the weave was pulled tight.

that year, under the name saliers and ray, they decided to try their hand at a
buckhead bar called good ol' days.

their career was interrupted when emily left for h. sophie newcomb college at
tulane in new orleans in 1981. amy left for vanderbilt the next year. by
1983 both
were back at emory, where their musical skills were put to use in student
theater
productions. ("strange fire," one song they composed for a student play,
became the
name of an early independently handled album.)

back in atlanta they named themselves indigo girls. it means nothing. amy simply
pulled it out of the dictionary and haphazardly settled on the work
"indigo," and that
was the end of that.

the indigo girls are a classic overnight success: they labored like plow
horses for
years and then happened to be in the right place at the right time.

both graduated from emory, saliers as a phi beta kappa. amy was a good student,
but as her sister says, "went to college on the side" while chasing stardom
in the bars
at night.

by this time their faces were familiar to atlanta club-goers. on almost any
given night,
the indigo girls were serenading beer-drinkers somewhere. but they came to be
associated with three local nightclubs: the dugout (now closed) and
trackside tavern
in decatur and the little five points pub, where they were fixtures until
epic duties
pulled them away. they drew an ardent following, some of the faithful coming
to listen -
no lie - two and three nights a week.

in 1985 they put out a single, "crazy game," and then an ep, "the indigo
girls," the
next year. "strange fire," a bare bones lp recorded independently in an athens
studio, came out in 1987. it was produced as a demo, but the girls - with a
steady eye
to the bigger and the better - had it pressed into vinyl and sold
approximately 5,000
copies.

in addition to performing locally, the indigo girls had begun playing in
southeastern
college towns and were getting airplay on campus radio stations with
"strange fire."

by the time epic records came calling, the indigo girls were a kit that
required very
little assembly. they had been supporting themselves as professional musicians -
playing their own music, not cover tunes - for about four years. they
already had a
sizable regional following of college students and a backlog of their own
material.

"they were at a point where they didn't need anything from anybody," notes amy's
friend cooper seay, a member of the atlanta band the ellen james society.

all they needed was a ticket.

still, the ratio of bands to actual record deals probably makes larry ray's "150
million" odds seem optimistic. and the percentage of bands that sell 700,000
right out
of the chute? well, don't give up your day job.

even the girls can't fully explain why them. "i don't know. it's like right
time, right place
sometimes," shrugs amy. "it's luck."

right on all three counts. the right place was atlanta, because it is barely
90 minutes
from athens, where at that right time, most of the major labels in america
were trying
to woo a band called r.e.m. luck, because epic's liaison decided to drop by the
little five points pub and catch another act he'd been hearing about.

"the day after i heard emily and amy play i couldn't get them out of my
mind," recalls
roger klein, epic's director of artists and repertoire. "i went back the
next night, talked
to them after the show, and then wanted to sign them to the company. the
didn't seem
like they were looking for a record deal."

says amy, who had already reserved studio time for their next independent album,
"we were kinda laughing about the idea of a major label."

they stopped laughing two weeks later, when they found themselves talking
contacts
over meat loaf at the buckhead diner with klein and an epic vice president.

"we were scared," remarks emily.

"i was excited, and then i was depressed for weeks," adds amy, who had
pushed for it
all along and then dug in her heels at the last minute.

"but i got over it," she chuckles.

"then our fans in atlanta started freaking out," says emily. "we were all
weeping at
the pub about how it's not going to be the same. it was sweet and sour."

also at that right time, 1988, an artist named tracy chapman had cleaned
house at
the grammy awards, selling millions of records and giving the music industry
a little
attitude adjustment about the profitability of female folk singers.

although klein insists that tracy chapman-ia had nothing to do with it ("we
didn't go
down there looking for an act to compete with tracy chapman. they are not
like tracy
chapman anyway"), it definitely didn't count against them.

now has the girls' lucky association with r.e.m., the athens based rock band
that
could probably sell a million records just by singing in the shower.

the girls hooked up with michael stipe, r.e.m.'s enigmatic lead singer,
after he saw
one of their performances at the uptown lounge in athens and asked them to
write a
song with him. then they performed with stipe at an outdoor festival in athens.

"that was really cool," says emily. "then we just hung out with him and
learned a
bunch of songs and were friends with him."

the girls' ties to r.e.m. are strong: they've shared a record producer and
toured as a
warm-up band with r.e.m., and members of r.e.m. sang on the girl's album.

when "indigo girls" passed the 500,000 retail mark, an extra gold album was
delivered to athens.

amy wheels the red rental van into the fluorescent-lit parking lot of a
starvin' marvin in
leeds, ala., the group having loudly booed the environmentally evil exxon
station
across the street.

while amy pumps gas, emily, a connoisseur of minimart cuisine, peruses the
store's
display of cheese-food sandwiches and beef jerky.

no one gives them a second glance.

amy buys a copy of auto trader magazine, the first and only indication that
this is not
just a vanload or ragamuffins pooling their resources for a $25 road trip.

she wants to buy a vintage corvette, which strikes some of her friends as
comedically
un-amy. she now owns a blue toyota van and lives in an army barracks-style
apartment in decatur with plastic lawn animals in the yard. her decor is a
mish-mash
of goodwill-quality furniture, rock posters and junky memorabilia. she has
tie-dyed
sheets for living room curtains and says the thought of ever moving "breaks
my heart."

emily has bought a house not far from her parents, "complete with leaky roof
and all,"
her father moans.

be not fooled by their beggars' rags.

"the indigo girls made money from day one on the first tour since their
record came
out," says manager russell carter.

with two voices, five or six guitars, a road manager and two roadies, the
girls' touring
overhead is low. unlike many bands willing to go in the hole in return for
exposure, the
girls make money on the road.

now to mention selling close to a million records with a contract weighted
toward
royalties instead of advances. "record companies are happy to break an act
by their
third record," says carter, "so in that respect we're way ahead of the game."

but carter dodges the specifics. "nobody's a millionaire. it's nothing that
dramatic or
even close to it. but they're making a lot of money, more than they ever
dreamed of , i
think."

as recently as two years ago, amy and her ex-roommate michelle malone, who now
has a record deal with arista, were busking for rent money at the atlanta
arts festival
in piedmont park. "that was just a slow time where neither or us was working
a lot,"
she explains. "emily and i were making decent money at the pub."

but aside from amy's corvette tastes, their friends have seen no indication
that the
girls' take has been elevated from "decent."

"i can tell you money is the last thing they're concerned about in terms of
their career,"
says carter. "their one inclination is to give it away by doing benefits.
...i think they're
a little intimidated by the fact that they're making a lot of money."

the talk has turned oddly confessional in the darkened van. the indigo girls are
saying that they are obsessed with the idea of death.

"when i go to sleep...i think about, well, death bothers me a lot, so that a
lot of times i
have problems falling asleep. i'm kinda obsessed with it," says amy.

she doesn't know why, exactly. when amy was 15, a friend was hit and killed by a
train. another close friend died in a motorcycle accident in college. but
those two
deaths only fed her natural preoccupation.

"me too," emily pipes up. "i remember lying in bed in high school and
thinking that
when you die you're never coming back - never, ever, ever, ever, ever."

"that's why we sing together," amy jokes.

but not really.

it is remarkable that the indigo girls are willing to reveal this kid fear
(one that is, after
all, pretty universal) to a reporter. mainly because of the "too serious"
complaint that
has haunted their press. and especially because of the bludgeoning they took
from
critic jon pareles. following their show at new york's town hall last year,
he blasted
them as the "new standard- bearers" of "earnest pretentiousness." and that
was one
of his kinder comments.

"that hurt our feelings worse than anything," says amy.

"because he attacked us like right in the heart of what we feel we aren't
when he
called us pretentious," continues emily. "he called me verbose and way too
wordy,
and he said amy danced with self-congratulatory gestures."

amy laughs happily as if discovering some nifty irony about herself. "he's
right about
that!"

while unusually vehement for the times, pareles' review bears mentioning as
the lone
slam in a red-banner year.

the girls played madison square garden with r.e.m. at the omni they got a
standing
ovation as r.e.m.'s warm-up band. at their first-ever denver show, in the
red rocks
amphitheater, half the crowd stood and cheered simply because the girls
waked onto
the stage.

even a show with all the makings of a disaster at the roxy in los angeles
became a
triumph. it was arranged as the girls' formal debut before the west coast music
industry, and the audience was filled with record company brass and press. a
rumor
was circulating that joni mitchell was coming. but when amy stepped up to the
microphone just a few songs into the show, the mike delivered her a nasty
shock. one
or two numbers later, her guitar shocked her badly enough to produce burn
marks on
her fingers. she threw the guitar off and quickly exited the stage. the show was
canceled and everyone in the audience was offered free tickets to the next
night's
show. some of them came back; no one complained or asked for a refund, says
epic's roger klein. the girls handed out gag hand-buzzers to those who returned.
the critics gushed.

it is near 4 a.m. and the critics are asleep. the atlanta skyline has just
risen up in the
windshield of the indigo girls' red rental van.

"i like life now," states amy ray, laughing, as usual, in a kind of childlike
self-wonderment.

"i miss playing atlanta," adds emily. "i miss the pub a lot. i miss having
people treat
up like we're not any bigger or better than we are."

bunny, stirring from her slumber, begins reeling off the girls' to-do list
for tomorrow - or
rather, today.

amy eases down from 80 mph.

emily emits a long sigh.

"i can't believe we're home. it is so weird. i'm so happy."

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to all of you who were offended by my post:
never meant to offend anyone
never said you were self centered people only interested in personal
pursuits( actually i defend this group quite often ( i posted about your
reaction to the girls and the car accident at work and how you all came
together to support them at work to prove my point)
never meant to say  "my" groupwas the best..
this is what happened..i , as an individual got involved in a charity
function, i needed help, i asked for it...
in my enthusiasm i said "all the money goes to research"..sorry kids,
slip of the tongue..i was wrong..did mom ever ask if you picked up a
all your clothes..you say yes..only to discover those dirty socks hidden
under the bed,,didyou lie or  or intentionally mean to mislead mom???
no..it was a slip..period, thats it, thats what happened..no secret
hidden adgenda. no coniving skeme to "trick you out of your money"..no
name calling to prove who is right or wrong..it was a simple mistake...
to be accused that i was intentionally trying to trick you all was just
as much a "slip of the tongue" by someone who didn't know my adgenda but
assumed i was wrong..we all make mistakes..ok..so can we stop this and
get back to the girls and the music ..i promise i will never ask again.

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date:         thu, 6 jun 1996 10:00:05 est
reply-to:     "cynthia a. crecca" <crecca@admin.njit.edu>
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from:         "cynthia a. crecca" <crecca@admin.njit.edu>
subject:      re: nigc- star trek "q"

ok, i'll admit it,

i'm a trekker and proud of it!!!

"q" is not just one character, but a group of beings called the "q" continumiun,
they are omnipotent, immortal (meaning they live forever), and don't live
an existence within our time/space boundries.  hence the "q" contiunum can
warp time, travel through time, alter reality (or at least what humanoids
perceive as "real") etc.

one member of the continuim (all members are called "q") constantly visits
the enterprise on tng (and has had apperances on voyager and possibly ds9).
that member is know to the crew of the enterprise as "q", and is constantly
annoying them.  he is witty, (i think the actor is john de lance? i always
mess up his last name), suave, and uses humans for his amusement.
he is a wonderful character and i always love episodes with q.

i am not sure of any religious connections or basis for the q, but it wouldn't
suprise me.  star trek is actually pretty good about developing cultures and,
rumor has it (though i am no expert so i really do not knoe if it is true)
researching earth cultures and basing the st universe on them.

for all you people who hate star trek but read this post, star trek is a pretty
"socially progressive" show.
they had a black women in a leadership role in the 1960's...
recently and currently:
black captain, female captian, blind chief engineer, asians as main characters,
inter-cultural relationships, a native american first-officer, and even a very
complex lesbian relationship (long story).

even if you don't like the show, be happy that it exists.  it shows that
entertainment based television can be socially responsible, reflect society,
and still be entertaining!

btw
i think i'm going to newport!!!!!!!!!!

in the spirit of the earth,
cynthia crecca
crecca@admin.njit.edu

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subject:      the ep and more

ok, i've been waiting to ask this:  does anyone know about how many
copies of the original vinyl ep were printed?  i've recently acquired a
copy & wanted more details on it.

greg mentioned how slow loc is.  that's how it was originally written,
but it's changed so much.  i kinda' like it.

probably the greatest thing about the ep is its back cover -- a collage
of text & photos, etc.  photos from so long ago!

nigc:
i'm about to move to daytona, fl area for the summer to work at the
beach.  anyone out there on the list in the daytona/deltona area?  i'd
love some help selecting a summer internet account for not much $ but
with telnet ability.  please e-mail me privately if you have any advice.

re: university of rochester 1991 tape
anyone left who already contacted me about arranging a trade but hasn't
gotten it, please contact me.  thanks to all who traded.  can't offer to
trade more copies right now, but i'll try to offer it again at a later date.

must sign off of the list in a couple of weeks, but i'll be back before
long.

michael

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subject:      indicated iv

all this talk of indicated iii is doing two things:

1) making me pull my copy out again

2)making me ask...  when are we putting together the next one?????

jeremy

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subject:      scot's plaid album

>also: i need to get less shy about promoting my music if i ever hope to
>make a living as a songwriter!  so-o-o... =)  *ahem* you all =need= a free
>copy of my latest batch of songs! (the plaid album)....

as a guy who has been wasting tons of bandwidth on this and the jackopierce
list (soon the dar list too), i want to throw my self promotion aside for
just a moment to tell you all about scot's tape.  i got my copy from him a
couple of months ago, and i have to tell you that it gets a lot of play at
my place.  it's a really good collection of songs.  very inspired imho and
worth the time and effort to get a copy.

having said that, now maybe scot can come forth and spew out good things
about my tape! :)  (jk, i'd rather you wait until you get a copy of my solo
album later this summer :)  )  i won't say anything about my stuff in this
post, since you'll probably hear more in the next month or two anyway.
anyone wanting to join the mob car studios mailing list can e-mail me though.

who else out there is doing great stuff with their musical talent?  from the
sound of indicated iii. there's a few of you out there with 4-track
recorders and musical ambitions similar to scot and i.  if you have
something, we may be interested.  who knows!

jeremy

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from:         patricia hite <phite@cybergate.net>
subject:      language or kiss

hi y'all!!

i've never really had much of an interpretation to this song. i guess this
one could be very personal to some people but not really to me.  however,
whenever i hear this song i think of one of my best indigo moments.  i
remember clear as it was yesterday, emily singing the last verse a cappella
in dayton oh on 7-10-94.  i will never forget it because that was one of the
most beautiful nights i've ever experienced.  never before or since have i
seen so many stars in the sky.  it was unreal. and whenevr i hear this song
especially the line "trying to read the greek upon the stars" i always think
of that night. beautiful, wonderful, happy.

see ya!!
rob

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reply-to:     mmedido@aol.com
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subject:      re: zoinks scooby- that looks like amy/emily!!!!!

in a message dated 96-06-06 06:28:21 edt, rick  writes:

>on the bus ride home, we pulled up to this stop & there's this old lady
>standing there, waiting for another bus. but what strikes me the most is
that
>she could be a total ringer for amy ray in about 20 years!!!!!!!!!!!  i
>couldn't believe the similarities!!

so what are you saying rick ??????
that at 52 (or 3), one is considered an "old lady" ?????????????

i am shocked and appalled !

love !!!
binky

(50 don't look that old at 39 ;)

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subject:      amy's soc web page

hey y'all :)
i was exploring the web today from work and i found this cool ig web page
and it's got like 6 of
amy's socs so i thought i'd post it to you all.    if this is old news then
please forgive me :)
i'm  pretty sure this is it...
http://pages.prodigy.com/indizone/index.htm

~renee

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"i used to think it awful that life was so unfair.
but then i thought wouldn't it be so much worse if life were fair and all
the terrible things that happen to us come because we deserved them.
now i take great comfort in the general hostility and unfairness of the
universe."
---marcus cole (character on babylon 5)

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reply-to:     i don't mind being blind <squeeze@utkux.utcc.utk.edu>
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from:         i don't mind being blind <squeeze@utkux.utcc.utk.edu>
subject:      hi

hey everybody.

i am new to the list, have never been on any other list, and am excited
to see what happens on these things. i realize that these type of
messages are required to have a nigc thingy, but i figured since this is
my first message ever that i would be forgiven. :)

i'm a junior at the university of tennessee in knoxville. i dont have
every indigo girls album yet, but i'm getting there. i'll keep this short.

suzanne


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from:         "rahadyan timoteo (tim) sastrowardoyo" <tisast@nytimes.com>
subject:      nigc - st, "q" and a religious ?
x-to:         danaw1208@aol.com

dana <danaw1208@aol.com> asked earlier today what q's name had to do
with and suggested it might have to do with the apocryphal gospel of
quelle. actually the name is from a fan and correspondent of gene
roddenberry's, janet quarton, who lives in england.

according to the episodes, q was a member of a race of omnipotent
mischievious beings known as the q continuum. they were god-like though
didn't claim to be gods and had powers over time and space. he figured
in both the first and last episodes of next gen, and has appeared in
both ds9 and voyager as well. in peter david's novel (that i can't
remember the name of), trelane from the original series episode "squire
of gothos" was allegedly the godson and illegitimate offspring of q.

regards,
rahadyan

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subject:      this just in.

just got this.  thought you'd be interested!

scot


---------- forwarded message ----------
date: thu, 6 jun 1996 12:29:46 -0500 (cdt)
from: owner-daemonrecs-info@m2.monsterbit.com

end
p        r        e        s        s
r        e        l     e        a        s        e
sender: owner-daemonrecs-info
precedence: bulk

daemon records announces the release of honor - a benefit album for the
honor the earth campaign - featuring bonnie raitt, indigo
girls, soul asylum, toad the wet sprocket, bruce
cockburn, matthew sweet, and many many more!

     atlanta-based daemon records - a not-for-profit indie label owned and
operated by amy ray of the indigo girls - is pleased to announce the august
20, 1996 release of honor, its second large scale benefit record (1994's
jesus christ superstar: a resurrection was the first).  honor is a
specially priced double album that features never-before-released tracks
from a spectacular array of artists such as soul asylum, bonnie raitt, toad
the wet sprocket, matthew sweet, ulali, indigo girls, bruce cockburn,
victoria williams, rusted root, exene cervenka, luka bloom, jane siberry,
latin playboys, indigenous, john trudell, keith secola, joy harjo and
poetic justice, sherman alexie, frank hyde, and reversing hour.  all
proceeds will benefit the honor the earth campaign and directly support
indigenous groups working to protect their communities from environmental
threats.

     cd highlights include:

        - a new version of "home" by bonnie raitt, with david grisman
        - a never released track from soul asylum called "hotel notell"
        - the first-time-ever songwriting collaboration between indigo
girls amy ray and emily
        saliers (who normally songwrite seperately) called "blood quantum"

     the ongoing honor the earth campaign is the first national fundraising
and public education campaign uniting artists with grassroots indigenous
communities across north america.  sponsored by three national
organizations - the seventh generation fund, the indigenous women's
network, and the indigenous environmental network - the campaign works to
support more than 200 indigenous groups on the front-lines of environmental
protection.

     "honor the earth is not just another environmental cause.  the basic
issues of human rights, justice and our own survival are at stake...this
campaign is a way to become part of the solution to the environmental
threats facing our planet."

amy ray, indigo girls

watch for an honor the earth web site  (www.honorearth.com) - coming soon -
and also a series of benefit events to showcase the honor cd and promote
the honor the earth campaign:

                                        sept 19, 1996:          cd release
party and reception
                                                the supper club, new york, ny
                        sept 20, 1996:          cd release concert
                                                northrop auditorium,
minneapolis, mn
                        oct 17, 1996:           cd release party and reception
                                                shangri-la studios, malibu, ca

contact:
daemon records   -  andrea white or john brand  (404) 373 -5733
honor the earth campaign  -  faye brown  (612) 221-4465
e-mail: honor@dexmn.com

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from:         tamara mizell <103660.214@compuserve.com>
subject:      nigc:  sarah mclachlan guitar chords?

hi folks!

would any of you happen to have any guitar chords to sarah m. songs?  "good
enough"?  "hold on"?  "the path of thorns (terms)"? <-- i especially would like
that one!   i'm a beginner, so whatever you can send my way, i'd appreciate it!
please email me privately, so as not to further clutter the list.... which seems
pretty inactive nowadays anyway!!  (*chuckle*)

thanks,
tamara   :)

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subject:      '96 list shirts!!!  order now!!! see design! read me!

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the 1996 official "unofficial" indigo girls list t-shirt
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hi again ya'll!
well, i had an awesome little vacation, as did deb, and now we are ready to
unveil the design for the official "unofficial" 1996 indigo girl list
t-shirt.
please save this message!
the following will be all the info you need to get your t-shirt.  this is the
only time the shirts will be printed...and all orders must be received by
july 9th, 1996.
this means have it in the mail no later than the 6th!  ok,
to see the shirt, designed by deb, check it out on my home page.

see it directly at:
http://members.aol.com/ncrobino/igshirt.htm

or you can check out my whole home page, starting at the begining:
http://members.aol.com/ncrobino/robspage.htm
the ig shirt page has all the info to order as well.  so please forward that
address to anyone you may think might be interested in a shirt so that they
can check out the design too.
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ordering and shirt info
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the shirts are completely a volunteer effort on my part and deb's part.  we
both have volunteered our time and talents to bring this shirt to the
list...hence, they will be sold at cost!  absolutely no money is being made
on these shirts...therefore we must have a minimum of 50 shirts ordered in
order for us to break even.  if there is any money left over, which is very
doubtful, it will be donated to a charity that me and deb agree on and
believe in.
ok,
the shirts will be printed on 100% organic fabric.  they will have an earthy
look to them, and will be completely environmentally safe!  this was a bit
more ($1/shirt), but we think it is worth it!  the shirts are very durable
and thick....excellent quality!
the shirts will go as follows:
l     $14.50
xl   $14.50
xxl  $15.50

that is it!  $3.50 is added into that price for shipping and handling ($3 for
first class, $.50 for the envelope)...so you really can't beat $11 to $12
bucks for the shirt.  we are very proud that we kept the price so low, we had
to shop around :)
to order:
i must receive your order before july 9th!  i will be moving to ecuador in
august and i must have enough time to get the shirts printed and then shipped
out to everyone.  i am sorry, i can't have any acceptions due to this
restraint.  so order for friends and let them pay you back:)
what to send:
1. send a cashiers check, money order (made out to rob augino), or cash (at
your risk) for the amount indicated above.  remember, shipping is included
(if you have an international order, please add a few extra bucks.).

2.also, please don't forget this!  send a shipping label with your order.
remember, print the address you want your shirt sent to on the shipping
label.  be sure to print your label clear and legibly!  it will be used on
your package and you don't want it going to columbia instead of
california...know what i mean?

that is it!  please check out the home page for extra details..and if you
have any questions at all...feel free to email me immediately!  i am very
accessible and will answer any questions anyone might have.
also, if you are going to order....please send me an email, just to let me
know.  thanks:)

thats it!  oh yeah, an address:
rob augino
7504 dunbar rd.
wilmington, nc 28405
usa
take care everyone and i hope to hear from you soon!  thanks for the support!
rob augino
ncrobino@aol.com

ps. forward this to any lists that might have interested parties on
them...ie. melissa etheridge, sarah mclachlan, tori amos, etc.....thanks ,
and let me know if ya do...i don't have the addresses or i would do it.
thanks for the help!

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reply-to:     "rahadyan timoteo (tim) sastrowardoyo" <tisast@nytimes.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "rahadyan timoteo (tim) sastrowardoyo" <tisast@nytimes.com>
subject:      please repost indicated iii info

after my kudos, laudes, etc. a couple of days ago re indicated iii, i
received a couple of posts asking how they can get a copy of the tape.
i believe the tape tree was broken down by either month of the year or
zodiac sign, but rather than give the people in question my tape tree
contact (which might be simpler, i guess), cd the original poster (i
just had a sudden cyber-mare of everyone who has it on the list
reposting the exact same info...) repost the list of tape tree contacts
for indicated iii?

thanks very much.

best regards,
rahadyan

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reply-to:     anonymous user <nobody@rutgers.edu>
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from:         anonymous user <nobody@rutgers.edu>
organization: rutgers university
subject:      cheap hotel rooms for the newport folk festival

i have booked a block of rooms for indigo girls fans (or anybody else who
loves good music) at the best western in newport for august 9,10, and 11.

the cost is $160 per room per night or $40 per person per night for
friday and saturday nights.  sunday night is $120/$30.  to purchase a
room or a space in a room for any or all of these nights, send a check or
money order made out to the following name and address:

bertin lefkovic
13 besler avenue
cranford, nj  07016

for more info, e-mail me at indigboy@eden.rutgers.edu or call me at
(908)418-7115.  if interested, contact me asap because space is limited
and the deadline is approaching.  i look forward to hearing from y'all.

peace & love

there are no strangers here - only friends you haven't met yet

let it grow

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reply-to:     hope a wisneski <hwisnesk@gas.uug.arizona.edu>
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from:         hope a wisneski <hwisnesk@gas.uug.arizona.edu>
subject:      re: nigc ani live in tucson 6-5
in-reply-to:  <pine.sol.3.91.960606140127.7261a-100000@utkux4.utcc.utk.edu>

        seeing ani live was a great experience.  i was shocked at how
packed it was (it was a pretty big place)   , you could actually smell the
sweat of every person there.
ani began by telling the audience how the band had just been in mesa az the
night before.  i saw her at the rialto theater in tucson- for some reason
they had some christmas looking decorations.  there was a santa on the
second floor and white lights around.  it was pretty funny when she was
saying that they were in a gross bar the other night and the next day they
come to christmas in tucson.  it was a joke that she kept bringing up
throughout the entire show, but it never got old.
        she did a lot of her new stuff but still thrilled the audience
with songs from the past. my favorite part of the show was listening to
her little thoughts between songs.  at times i found myself squeezing my
eyes really tightly to try to open my ears wider.  her accent is great,
but at times it can be hard to understand what she says.  she did break a
few strings, i think she was happy to see such a receptive audience in a
respectable place.  she started off a lot of songs by saying, "this song
is ...whatever."
        sara played a mean bass.  she really got to jammin.  at one point
ani stopped playing (planned? broken string? i could not tell) and sang
with the bass and drums.  it sounded so different to me for some
reason, some kind of unexplored beat combination.  that is how i feel
about her- she is creative.  her love for music shines through when she
starts playing and dancing, and she reaches out to the audience to take
them on a ride with her for a while.....


sorry that i was not able to meet up with you corinne, i did try!  sure
do hope that you had a great trip :)

shine on, shine on!  -hope

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reply-to:     cardigan <benorea@river.it.gvsu.edu>
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from:         cardigan <benorea@river.it.gvsu.edu>
subject:      attention ani lovers
x-to:         hope a wisneski <hwisnesk@gas.uug.arizona.edu>
in-reply-to:  <pine.sol.3.91.960606151112.812a-100000@argon.gas.uug.arizona.edu>

hey!!!

in the latest time magazine there is a review/article that talks about
ani and how wonderful she is.  i suggest everyone find that time and clip
it.  also, the article talks about beck, who is another wonderful folky
type artist.  (don't be thrown off by the "loser" single).  beck's new
album is out on june 18th.

support indie music...

love
aim

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subject:      ballad of squeaky fromme

hey now,

i have recently become intriguied with this song and i'd love to get
the music to it if anyone has it.  i went to adam schneider's files
and it looks as if it's been shut down temporarily so if anyone has
the chords i'd love a copy.  also i am curious about the history of
the song.  does anyone know anything about what went into it or any
stories behind it.  if so i'd love some info.

thanks a lot,

gwen

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subject:      nigc - attention rob sticka

sorry to bother the whole list with this ...

rob, i was wondering if you sent me the indicated iii tape already? please
e-mail me (because obviously i've lost your address!). thanks!

anna

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