lifeblood: listlogs: 1996-06c


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date:         thu, 13 jun 1996 23:58:51 -0400
reply-to:     janinsdale@aol.com
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         janinsdale@aol.com
subject:      re: pride and candler 6-8
x-to:         gt6956c@prism.gatech.edu

in a message dated 96-06-13 21:37:26 edt, gt6956c@prism.gatech.edu (mr. pink)
writes:

>also, anyone else catch a+e at the candler music and art fest? what a
>great little festival. not too big, not too sma, just right. plus ig
>played. always makes my day..

sharon???  do tell, what is this all about?  had not heard anything about it!

thanks,
jan

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date:         fri, 14 jun 1996 00:10:20 -0400
reply-to:     mtngrl6@aol.com
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from:         mtngrl6@aol.com
subject:      re: amy ray!!!!

in a message dated 96-06-12 23:57:49 edt, you write:

>peace and a pscho-troll free zone... kim ( life takes its troll, please have
>exact... uh, can't think of the "perfect" word to rhyme with change...
>anyone???? )

mange!!!

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date:         fri, 14 jun 1996 03:26:13 -0400
reply-to:     weenracer@aol.com
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from:         lisa savu <weenracer@aol.com>
subject:      re: candler park 6-8

i'm cursing a blue streak!!!  i was at the flying biscuit, (an _awesome_
little restaurant), in candler park on 6/1, having lunch w/my friend who
lives in atlanta...  and i overheard this person talking about the candler
park arts festival the next weekend, with vld performing.  i've never heard
them live, so i was tempted, but i live in cincinnati, (7 hours away), and
had already been down twice in may, (plus planning to go again for pride)...
so i thought, aww hell, guess i'll catch 'em another time.  stupid, stupid,
stupid!!!  i should have known a&e would be there, too!  duh.   oh well --
i'll get to see them in a couple weeks i guess...   (stupid, stupid,
stupid...  grumbling to myself as i fade off into the distance...)


---lisa

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date:         fri, 14 jun 1996 03:40:02 -0400
reply-to:     weenracer@aol.com
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from:         lisa savu <weenracer@aol.com>
subject:      atlanta pride (ig info.)

hi -- this is for all you guys who have been asking for another post about
when the girls are playing pride.  it's in piedmont park, 3-6 pm, june 30th.
there'll be lots of other great entertainment, too!  hope i see y'all there!

---lisa

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date:         fri, 14 jun 1996 05:32:05 -0500
reply-to:     carolyn <underdog@onramp.net>
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subject:      1987:  matching the differences

august 19, 1987 -- classic city live

matching the differences
the indigo girls integrate a dichotomy of styles into one honest sound
by beth stubenbord

there is a band: two people, two guitars, two cars, two apartments, two sets
of parents, different daughters of different mothers. the two are night and
day. the indigo girls integrate a complete dichotomy of musical styles, and
whatever it is their music does, it's working.

creative loafing music critic david t. lindsey says "(indigo girls):
meteoric folk duo who flash over you, fill your heart and head and are gone.
versatile and vibrant" (aug. 1, '87-29a). the band's independently produced
e.p. "indigo girls" received critical acclaim, and they have just finished
recording an album with athens' own john keane.  "i know we're getting
exposure nationwide," says indigo girl emily saliers, "because some guy
who's the boyfriend of someone i went to elementary school with called me
from new haven, connecticut to say he found our e.p. in the bargain section
of a local store."

right now amy ray and emily saliers, the indigo girls in entirety, are
playing to packed houses in atlanta and across the southeast. just two
guitars, two voices, a symmetry of musical style, fire and ice. what's the
big deal about them?

"the thing is," amy says, "that people want to feel like people - they want
frustration, tension, and peace, and that's our main objective: if it's too
easy no one will feel, it it's too rough no one will listen. there's birth
in frustration (no, wait - that's too deep). i think the big deal is obsession."

"amy is obsessed," emily laughs. "i don't want tension. i do want peace, and
i don't want to sing bleeding heart songs any more, even though i do. we try
to explain ourselves and end up having a million different interpretations
of what we do and what our music is and means. we ought to just shut up and
play."

classifying or explaining indigo girls music isn't easy, although one feels
the need to know just exactly what it is that draws people to their
performance. "we aren't women's music," they insist. you could call it folk.
the lyrics are introspective. their music, though, is definitely music for
the people. from amy's rocking, gutsy songs to emily's jazzy, understated
tunes, the performance is honest. no glitz. no high-tech effect. it's
unpretentious music from the heart, and if all the machinery of modern music
ever broke down, there would still be indigo girl music: simple and clean.

although they have received major label attention, amy and emily remain
independent. "some people would say we didn't want to sell out, but the
truth is, we haven't gotten an offer yet. you can always remain close to
your source, the people, no matter how big your label is. the trick is to be
on a major label and not to compromise. that's the only way to change what
seems to be an overly sappy commercial technopop industry. all i really care
about is the feeling, the honesty, and the energy." words from amy ray.

emily notes, "playing music is not really something you choose to do. if
it's in you, you have no choice. i feel a basic need to create. if i ever
had to write music in order to sell, according to standards other than my
own, my creative process would become a mechanical "churning out" function.
it would be time to forget it."

the indigo girls will be at the uptown lounge this tuesday, august 25th. the
new album, all acoustic, will be out in october. the symmetry of styles
remains intact, and the music is more vibrant than ever. everyone's invited
to be a part of it.

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date:         fri, 14 jun 1996 10:31:52 gmt
reply-to:     ahidalgo@fc.emc.com.ph
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from:         anna hidalgo <ahidalgo@fc.emc.com.ph>
organization: the e-mail company
subject:      re: emily potential
x-to:         jennifer=hall%ts=syscall2%cs=hou@bangate.compaq.com

i'm an "emily person" too, and felt compelled to say that i've also noticed
how emily's voice has changed through the years. in the late '80s/early '90s,
i remember reading an article in which the writer described her singing voice
as being "murky" -- i definitely think that her voice has become higher and
clearer since then. it's great. but then, my opinion has always been that
she's great...

:)

anna

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date:         fri, 14 jun 1996 06:08:17 -0700
reply-to:     kiminy kricket <rcn@prcn.org>
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from:         kiminy kricket <rcn@prcn.org>
subject:      re: amy ray!!!!

>in a message dated 96-06-12 23:57:49 edt, i wrote:
>
>>peace and a pscho-troll free zone... kim ( life takes its troll, please have
>>exact... uh, can't think of the "perfect" word to rhyme with change...
>>anyone???? )
well, then, the genius behind mtngrl16@aol.com put cognitive juices to the
test and came up with:
>mange!!!
to which i reply: what would "exact mange" be anyway?... uh... i've heard of
acute something or others... but have never heard of
exact...say...appendicitus... or exact heart failure... or... well, you
know. sorry... i am to have a fasting blood test this morning and am denied
my coffee... had i been able to gulp down at least one cup i'm sure i could
have offered up an intelligent response... :-) *sigh*... can't even eat my
usual bowl o'grape nuts. *and* my teeny nephew unwound my "botby" tape
yesterday whilst mangling it in a teething frenzy ( which is not really an
excuse for my lack of intelligence... i just felt like complaining ). guess
i'll hafta buy the cd...hey!...all is not lost<g>
peace all... kim fischer
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
     <kiminy kricket>rcn@prcn.org
"hey rocky. watch me pull a rabbit out of
this hat."
"aw bullwinkle!... you know that trick
never works!"
------------rocky and bullwinkle----------
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>

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date:         fri, 14 jun 1996 09:23:35 -0400
reply-to:     "rahadyan timoteo (tim) sastrowardoyo" <tisast@nytimes.com>
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from:         "rahadyan timoteo (tim) sastrowardoyo" <tisast@nytimes.com>
subject:      ig biographies

does anyone on the list know of any ig biographies, either authorized
or un- , that might be in the works? i know there's a lot of
biographical information that can be compiled from the various web
sites and from a cornucopia of interview articles in _deneuve_,
_performing songwriter_ and other places, but i was just curious.

pax, love and indigo.

sampai jumpa (indonesian for "see ya later!")

rahadyan

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date:         fri, 14 jun 1996 09:59:08 -0500
reply-to:     "kirsten,
              grrl o' cognitive dissonance" <t1kchevalier@wellesley.edu>
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from:         "kirsten,
              grrl o' cognitive dissonance" <t1kchevalier@wellesley.edu>
subject:      the final word on grape nuts (nigc)

listen up, folks - all that debate about the true meaning of grape nuts was
fruitless (heh heh). here's what it all really means:

        the reason it's called "grape nuts" is that it contains "dextrose",
        which is also sometimes called "grape sugar", and also because "grape
        nuts" is catchier, in terms of marketing, than "a cross between gerbil
        food and gravel", which is what it tastes like.
              -- dave barry, "tips for writer's"


kirsten

"but the power of truth is the fuel for the flame so the darker the ages
get there's a stronger beacon yet" -- e.

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"shut up, brain. i got friends now -- i don't need you anymore." - lisa simpson
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date:         fri, 14 jun 1996 10:02:06 -0500
reply-to:     iggy@hopper.library.nwu.edu
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from:         iggy@hopper.library.nwu.edu
subject:      i don't care if monday's blue

"kirsten, grrl o' cognitive dissonance" writes:

>  ..."grape nuts" is catchier, in terms of marketing, than
>  "a cross between gerbil food and gravel", which is what
>  it tastes like.
>                          -- dave barry, "tips for writers"

good gracious!  i made the exact analogy (sans gerbil food)
a few weeks ago!  and i don't read dave barry..

either we're channeling subconsciously or he's on the ig list....

i-girl

special ps for the igbsm:  i'll write soon, hunny!   ;)

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date:         fri, 14 jun 1996 12:04:23 -0400
reply-to:     gailayo@aol.com
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from:         gailayo@aol.com
subject:      ghost mailing list
x-cc:         igboo8@aol.com

good morning,

i am newbie to this list and haven't posted before. first let me say that
everyone on this list seem to be really nice - what everyone did for jenny
really impressed me - but didn't suprise me - you cant be an indigo girl fan
as we all are and not have a decent character.

what has moved me to post are the recent questions about "ghost". i dont know
karen personally but i have talked to her a couple of times online .the audio
and video tapes she offers are not easily accesible everywhere. she lives in
the atlanta area - it seems when the girls are not touring they tend to pop
up in the atlanta area - case in point - amy at eddies attic on may 30 and
emily at the point (i'm not sure this is the right name) on may 31st playing
with hash. karen was there when emily was playing and got it on videotape.
she is charging $15 for the tape. i dont remember if she has amy as well. she
is also going to be at atlanta pride and will be offering that as well. on
her mailout list the very first page are videos ie rock for aids (4/95) radio
city music hall (6/94) earth jam (4/95) - just a couple of examples. she also
tells you up front the quality. when i talked to her told me the reason she
does this is because she shares a love of the girls and is able to do this as
a hobby.

everyone i have talked to has had nothing but good things to say. my reason
for this post is simple - i wish i could be at every performance the girls
have but the reality is i cant - karen evidently has access to a large number
of performances and has the equipment to produce it and is willing to share
what she has. if i lived in the area and was able to do what karen does - i
would probably do the same thing. it is unfortunate i live in texas (i wish i
could move to atlanta) and my job does afford me a  lot of time off - i yet
to see them in concert.  i adore the girls and want everything they do. i
feel karen is doing this in good faith - its up to you if you want the
merchandise.

as far as using her first name only - she posted on the aol music board she
does this because she has had several misguided folks show up on her doorstep
- i am paraphasing - she explains herself on the indigo girls music board on
aol. she says she will be happy to give her last name to anyone that wants
it.


i just recently sent off for the tape of emily - i will let you know what i
think about it.
thanks for listening and allowing me to put my 2 cents in.

everyone going to newport or atlanta - hope you have a great time.

peace,


debbie

'''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''
"everywhere i turn all the beauty
just keeps shaking me" 'ig
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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date:         fri, 14 jun 1996 13:02:47 edt
reply-to:     bertin lefkovic <indigboy@eden.rutgers.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         bertin lefkovic <indigboy@eden.rutgers.edu>
subject:      nff fan tour update 6/14/96

i have been able to get an extension on my group reservation at the best
western in newport.  the new due date is july 5, 1996.  if you are interested
in getting a room or a space in a room, i need to receive your money by then.

cost:

friday/saturday - $160 per room/$40 per person per night

sunday          - $120 per room/$40 per person per night

send money to:

bertin lefkovic
13 besler avenue
cranford, nj  07016
(908)418-7115

call or e-mail me if you need any additional information


there are no strangers here - only friends you haven't met yet

let it grow

bert

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date:         fri, 14 jun 1996 13:51:22 -0400
reply-to:     gailayo@aol.com
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from:         gailayo@aol.com
subject:      re: ghost mailing list

sharon,

thanks for the tip :))

i just felt that she might be offering a service that someone could use - i
dont know the answer - i hope my post wasn't offensive - that's not what i
was trying to do - i dont know her personally but i have talked to her
several times and she seems to be honest-- there have been a number of
negative posts regarding karen and i felt i should put my 2 cents worth in. -
- its a leap of  faith anyway you go --

my sole purpose is this - i love indigo girls music and the fact that they
seem to try to better this world appeals to me even more. i believe in the
music and the message. a & e offer me a voice and touch my soul and for that
i will always be grateful. this is an exceptional list - everyone tries to
look out for each other  and if i can do anything for anyone - all you have
to do is ask -- the other lists and boards just seem to snipe at each other
and look for things to complain about ---

sorry to take up bandwith - but considering my newbie status - i did not want
to be misunderstood -

thanks,


deb :))

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date:         fri, 14 jun 1996 14:27:52 -0400
reply-to:     capistran amy l <alcapi@mail.wm.edu>
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from:         capistran amy l <alcapi@mail.wm.edu>
subject:      pride(nigc)
x-to:         lisa savu <weenracer@aol.com>
in-reply-to:  <960614034001_414006892@emout09.mail.aol.com>

hi all i was just wondering if anybody out there know's of any cities in
va that have pride days.  if so when are they etc. i would appreciate the
info a lot.
                                                amy

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date:         fri, 14 jun 1996 12:41:59 -0600
reply-to:     corinne simpson <corinne@utah-inter.net>
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from:         corinne simpson <corinne@utah-inter.net>
subject:      thanks

  hey ya'll,
     i just wanted to say thank you to everyone who wrote to me when i
posted about the breakin of my car.  i justed wanted to say everything is
mainly fixed, except the stereo, but i can get that worked out okay.  but it
sucks not having ig in my car.  i didn't realize how much i hate the music
on the radio.  anyway, thanks to everyone who took the time to write to me,
you guys are so sweet and it really cheered me up.
  by the way, i can't believe the luck that you guys get to see a & e at
pride day.  our pride day was nothing like the atlanta one... we had like
the drag queen chorus sing for an hour, and there were like 10 booths, but
that was pretty much it. oh well....  i also live in the city that lives and
dies homophobia!  you guessed it, salt lake!
proud anyway, and happy about you list cuties,
corinne

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date:         fri, 14 jun 1996 14:49:08 edt
reply-to:     lia <ifin031@vm.sc.edu>
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from:         lia <ifin031@vm.sc.edu>
subject:      hi!

hey!  you guys have gotten me all excited about the concert in atlanta!
i'm fairly new to the list and have only been listening in up to this
point.  i have been really impressed.  you guys seem really great!  i am
really excited about seeing the girls in atlanta and maybe actually meeting
some ya'll.  not to mention nff.  now i just have to figure out how i'm
getting there!  anyone going my way? :)

i guess i should tell you who i am.  my name is lia and i live in columbia,
sc.  not far from the mecca of atlanta. (yeah!)  i have been a fan of the ig
ever since my roommate introduced me to them about 5 years ago.  my appreciatio
n for their music has grown.  it amazes me how you can hear something new in
a song that you have listened to a thousand times.  i saw them in concert two
years ago and it was great.  so, i can't wait to see them again.  i'll be in
atlanta for a wedding, so i'll be the chick in the bridesmaid dress. (add
another one to the pile!)  talk at cha later!

                                             lia
         oh!  can anyone tell me how to get to piedmont park?  i'm a little
familiar with atlanta, but my sense of direction is very lacking!  thanks! :)

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date:         fri, 14 jun 1996 15:13:10 -0400
reply-to:     "amy \"iggy\" vorpagel" <99vorpag@lab.cc.wmich.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "amy \"iggy\" vorpagel" <99vorpag@lab.cc.wmich.edu>
subject:      revenge on the ig fan club....

perhaps this is a bit rude of me to be thinking and suggesting, but since
the fan club appears to only respond to merchandise orders (read:
money!!), perhaps all those who are upset about the lack of response
should get together and send a massive amount of mail complaining about
the _major_ lag time and label the envelopes "merchandise order enclosed"
for "faster handling" as they say on the web site. that way we know they
will actually read what is on the paper. or maybe email them and say in
the heading "merchandise order". maybe it'll catch their attention if
everyone who is upset wrote in about it. just a suggestion.
why does it take so long anyway? is there only one or two people
processing the mail there, or what?

peace,
amy

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date:         fri, 14 jun 1996 16:00:17 -0400
reply-to:     atlmouse@aol.com
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from:         atlmouse@aol.com
subject:      robin @ atl pride    :)

i moved to atlanta just over a year ago.  the company that i worked for in
florida was moving into atlanta, and they needed experienced personel to
volunteer to move.  i joked to all my friends and co-workers that the real
reason that i wanted to move was because atlanta was the land of indigo
(little did they know i close to the truth that was)!
almost a year went by without any sightings of the girls.  in april i saw
amy at eddie's and it's been an indigo landslide ever since!
and now, pride fest 96!!  what a happy day!
i will be at pride all weekend.  i will be with family and friends, but i
definitly want to hook up with you lovely listers.  you all decide where and
when we should meet, and i'll be there.  unfortunatly, i am not all that
familiar with piedmont park (but i do know where it is!!)
a description of me, in case we bump into each other:
5'-6" heavy-set
med. length, thick blonde hair (probably in a pony tail, maybe with a rainbow
"do rag" on)
black wire-rimmed glasses
some one in our group will be carrying a big rainbow u.s. flag (stars and
rainbow stripes)
hope to see some of you there!
~~robin

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date:         fri, 14 jun 1996 16:09:25 -0400
reply-to:     ncrobino@aol.com
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from:         ncrobino@aol.com
subject:      laura rice...read (nigc)

dear,

you didn't specify a shirt size, so i have put you down for an xl....let me
know if this is ok.

sorry to take up bandwidth :)
rob

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date:         fri, 14 jun 1996 15:28:09 cdt
reply-to:     russ rutter <russ@dexmn.com>
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from:         russ rutter <russ@dexmn.com>
subject:      atlan5ta pride/honor the a  earht

if anybody knows anybody that is going to have a to  table or booth at
the atlanta pride festival i'd appreciate getting in touch with them to see
if they wou  wanted to distribute honor the earth brochures at their table/
booth space(s)
thanks
take care
peace
russ

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date:         fri, 14 jun 1996 16:19:18 -0500
reply-to:     diana bernice sweeten <m_c_01f6@frank.mtsu.edu>
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subject:      re: robin @ atl pride :)
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hi,
     i will be at pride as well.  if any one wants to meet up, we need to
find a good place to do it.  i wish that we had butoons or something to
recogniize each other.  i will be wearing a swamp ophelia tshirt that is
rose colored with a crane on the front.  i have long brown hair mthat
will be in a pony tail.  my fiance has bright red hair.  so you should be
able to see us.  hope to see ya'll there.  rock on!  ig rules!

be proud!
allison

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reply-to:     debbie breckenridge <breckmi@mail.auburn.edu>
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from:         debbie breckenridge <breckmi@mail.auburn.edu>
subject:      how to i.d. one another
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everyone is saying how we can identify each other at piedmont park in
hopes of meeting one another.  yet, these are materials of clothing or
physical descriptors that could apply to hundreds of people that will be
present in the park that day.  if everyone is serious about networking
then something else will have to work.  so, any suggestions?????

you won't miss me.  i will be parachuting into the park and landing on
the stage.  that way i will have the best seat in the house during the
ig's show.  and then after the show is over, i will jet away with my
rocket booster back pack.  ;-)

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subject:      re: robin @ atl pride :)

at 04:19 pm 6/14/96 -0500, allison wrote:
>i wish that we had butoons or something to
>recogniize each other.
cool... just one question: what *is* a butoon????
lol??? :-)
peace + pride, all... kim
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this hat."
"aw bullwinkle!... you know that trick
never works!"
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on fri, 14 jun 1996, kiminy kricket wrote:

> at 04:19 pm 6/14/96 -0500, allison wrote:
> >i wish that we had butoons or something to
> >recogniize each other.
> cool... just one question: what *is* a butoon????
sorry, i meant button!


> lol??? :-)
> peace + pride, all... kim
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>      <kiminy kricket>rcn@prcn.org
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> this hat."
> "aw bullwinkle!... you know that trick
> never works!"
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subject:      atl. pride -- how to id one another

just a suggestion to you lucky folks that will be in atlanta that wkend.
maybe you all might want to think about meeting somewhere other that the
park.  like a nearby restaurant, coffee house, bar, whatever, you get
the idea.
obviously some of you folks are fortunate enough to live in the land of
indigo, so it shouldn't be to hard to agree on a place and direct
everyone else there.  that way you can all find each other in a much
smaller, more controlled environment.
well, anyway, that's my 2 cents.  good luck to you all and have fun for
all of us less fortunates, whatever you decide.

tuesday's child

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subject:      joan baez, leonard peltier, and salt lake pride

i couldn't resist responding to two subjects.  i am sure that many personal
replies have been sent concerning leonard peltier, but there are probably
some people out there who still don't know the deal and are too embarrassed
to ask.  basically, he is an oglala sioux who was convicted of the murder of
either one or two fbi agents.  this was in the seventies and he was a
traditionalist and member of the radical group, the american indian
movement.  there was little evidence to convict him and it was a huge trial.
it was initially moved from dakota to cedar rapids, iowa, and i think they
also declared a mistrial there.  he is now in ft. leavenworth, event though
the others in the aim house were let off of the hook.  the bottom line is
that the trial was unfair and the evidence shaky; no one knows what really
happened.  there is an excellent documentary, "incident at oglala," based
upon the affair.  the movie, "thunderheart," is also very loosely based on
the events in that it examines the setting of the oglala reservation at the
time.

on to joan baez and her voice: true, she has a fabulous voice.  she started
losing her clarity in the seventies and commenced voice lessons with a voice
teacher in carmel, california.  interestingly, i have never even considered
her to be a similar vocalist to emily.  joan's talent is that she can strum
a guitar and has that high and clear soprano, more like the allure of judy
collins.  emily is not the pure soprano that joan is, but it is not her
style, either.  she is not playing to be a vocalist; emily is a
singer/songwriter who uses her really good voice and some incredible
harmonies (pete seeger once said something to the effect that harmony can
make any song great) but isn't the pure vocalist that joan is. i don't think
she needs to be.  no one is criticizing amy for her low, raspy voice.  the
point is that the two create a sound together that is truly amazing--few
groups (simon and garfunkle, lennon/mc cartney come to mind) have ever even
come close to creating such a sound together.  i think that, had they been
the same ages, holly near and ronnie gilbert could have done something
equally as amazing, but this is an tangent.  anyway, i don't think that
emily needs voice lessons; her slightly rough edges often add to the passion
of her songs.

finally, corrine: give salt lake time.  this year's pride was better
attended than ever before (the cooler location and the gsa thing probably
invoked this) and you must remember that it is the land of the mormons.  you
have to remember that utah is really a different country, complete with its
own religion (mormonism), form of government (mormonism), and language
(people here slur vowels so the word "deal" sounds like "dill"). you can't
expect the state to enter the twentieth century for another forty years if
you guage the state's largest university (byu) or liquor laws as any
indicator of where the state is in terms of social maturity.  actually,
considering the state is stuck in the fifties, pride was incredibly
advanced.  plus, it is a much smaller metropolis than atlanta.

thanks for reading my divergent thoughts.

deirdre

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  and then some loss to even things out.
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in a message dated 96-06-11 18:42:14 edt, you write:

<<
please read the following carefully...then let me know if you still have any
questions :)  thanks.
  -----------------------
  the 1996 official "unofficial" indigo girls list t-shirt


------------------------------------------------------------------------------

  if you are web impaired (don't have web access), please read the very
bottom of this message for a description of the shirt :)  thanks.

  please save this message!
  the following will be all the info you need to get your t-shirt.  this is
the
  only time the shirts will be printed...and all orders must be received by
  july 9th, 1996.
  this means have it in the mail no later than the 6th!  ok,
  to see the shirt, designed by deb, check it out on my home page.

  see it directly at:
  http://members.aol.com/ncrobino/igshirt.htm

  or you can check out my whole home page, starting at the begining:
  http://members.aol.com/ncrobino/robspage.htm

the ig shirt page has all the info to order as well.  so please forward that
  address to anyone you may think might be interested in a shirt so that they
  can check out the design too.


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  ---------------
  ordering and shirt info


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  ---------------
  the shirts are completely a volunteer effort on my part and deb's part.  we
  both have volunteered our time and talents to bring this shirt to the
  list...hence, they will be sold at cost!  absolutely no money is being made
  on these shirts...therefore we must have a minimum of 50 shirts ordered in
  order for us to break even.  if there is any money left over, which is very
  doubtful, it will be donated to a charity that me and deb agree on and
  believe in.
  ok,
  the shirts will be printed on 100% organic fabric.  they will have an
earthy
  look to them, and will be completely environmentally safe!  this was a bit
  more ($1/shirt), but we think it is worth it!  the shirts are very durable
  and thick....excellent quality!
  the shirts will go as follows:
  l     $14.50
  xl   $14.50
  xxl  $15.50

  that is it!  $3.50 is added into that price for shipping and handling ($3
for
  first class, $.50 for the envelope)...so you really can't beat $11 to $12
  bucks for the shirt.  we are very proud that we kept the price so low, we
had
  to shop around :)
  to order:
  i must receive your order before july 9th!  i will be moving to ecuador in
  august and i must have enough time to get the shirts printed and then
shipped
  out to everyone.  i am sorry, i can't have any acceptions due to this
  restraint.  so order for friends and let them pay you back:)
  what to send:
  1. send a cashiers check, money order (made out to rob augino), or cash (at
  your risk) for the amount indicated above.  remember, shipping is included
  (if you have an international order, please add a few extra bucks.).

  2.also, please don't forget this!  send a shipping label with your order.
   remember, print the address you want your shirt sent to on the shipping
  label.  be sure to print your label clear and legibly!  it will be used on
  your package and you don't want it going to columbia instead of
  california...know what i mean?

  that is it!  please check out the home page for extra details..and if you
  have any questions at all...feel free to email me immediately!  i am very
  accessible and will answer any questions anyone might have.
  also, if you are going to order....please send me an email, just to let me
  know.  thanks:)

  thats it!  oh yeah, an address:
  rob augino
  7504 dunbar rd.
  wilmington, nc 28405
  usa
  take care everyone and i hope to hear from you soon!  thanks for the
support!
  rob augino
  ncrobino@aol.com


i figured it would be best to send out written description of the t-shirt
for those of you out there who may not have web access. get comfy in chair
and try to imagine this......

the shirt itself: a 100% certified organic cotton t-shirt (which means the
little ole cotton plants get to live in the field free of pesticides and
other junk). the shirt color is "natural" (ya know, off-white).

the front design: a left chest imprint that represents the girls. it
consists of two iconish/hieroglyphic guitar playing characters (similar to
the ones on the indicated ii cover). one rests in a mustardy colored not so
perfect rectangle and resides next to one in a burgandyish not so perfect
rectangle. the words "power of two" are in a handwritten looking font and
reversed out of a black not so perfect oval that rests above the
characters. below the image is the address of the list.

and if had the patience to draw
that with the keyboard characters
i would put it here --------------------->

the back image: one of amy's streams interspersed with lyrics by emily that
echo the stream's sediments. amy's words are in an upper case distressed
type font and printed in the burgandy color. emily's words are in a
lowercase handwritten looking font and printed in the mustard color. the
words are as follows:

i will walk down the street
i will walk down the street
i will walk down the street and i will hold my head high.

(my life is part of the global life)

i will walk down the street and i will say hello to everybody
and i will hold my head high.
i will say hello to everyone

(if the world is night, shine my life like a light)

i will not be ashamed
i will fall down and i will get back up again
i will not be ashamed

(nobody gets a lifetime rehearsal, as specks of dust we're universal)

i will not be complacent
i will not be complacent
i will not be complacent

(by grace my sight grows stronger)

and we will not be complacent
and we will not be complacent
and we will not be ashamed

(my place is of the sun)

and we will be alive
and we will be happy
and we will walk down the street
and we will smile and we won't worry about it

(each life has its place)

we will not be racist
we will not be sexist
we will not be homophobic
we will not hate

(the evil ego and the vice of pride
is there ever anything else that makes us take our different sides?)

we will love we will love we will love we will love
we will love the ones we hate
we will love the ones we hate

(little version of the symbol from the front)

...it's all in our hands
got to learn to respect what we don't understand
we are fortunate ones, fortunate ones i swear... (in burgandy)

words and lyrics by amy ray and emily saliers
all rights are theirs (in the mustardy color)

well that's about it. if after all of that you still can't imagine what it
looks like and if you have any kind of software that will allow you to view
a jpeg or eps file, let me know i can email you a file to view. or if those
little letters mean nothing to you i can fax you or snail mail you a
print-out of the design if you really, really need to see it before
ordering. just let me know!
thanks again.
rob augino

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from:         ncrobino@aol.com
subject:      96 list shirts_orders received #1
x-to:         indigo@clark.net, lwarren531@aol.com, scady@umich.edu,
              poohgrl816@aol.com, aneeza@cse.fau.edu

hi guys and gals.  here is the first updated list of orders received as of
6/14/96.
if there is any wrong info here...please let me know asap!
thanks

amy mednick 1 xxl
jeni saulino 1 xl
laura rice 1 xl
steven reynolds 1 xl
kirsten chevalier 1 xl
greg flamer 1 xl
lisa savu 1 xl
gwen drueger 1 l
randy rohrer 2 xxl

that is it so far!  please hurry!  get your orders in!  the absolute deadline
is the 9th of july!
thanks everyone for your support!
take care
rob

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reply-to:     diana bernice sweeten <m_c_01f6@frank.mtsu.edu>
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from:         diana bernice sweeten <m_c_01f6@frank.mtsu.edu>
subject:      re: atl. pride -- how to id one another
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hey!
     what a great idea!  my suggestion is the prince of wales pub which
is across the street from the pub.  i don't know if people want to meet
there on saturday or sunday.  it's going to be tough on sunday because of
the tight schedule.  the only time on sunday would be 12:30.  anyone else
for ideas?

kewl!
allison

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subject:      re: joan baez, leonard peltier, and salt lake pride

i just had to give voice to a thought that has been
rolling around in my brain as of late concerning peltier
and others (panthers, philly folks ect...)

i find it interesting that the f.b.i. was not pressured into
cleaning up their act until several family members of a white
supremacist were killed.

claire

" where were you when they killed george jackson ?
  do you hear them calling ?
  are you living today ? are you fighting today ?
  do you know our names ? do you know our names ?
  do you hear our cries ? "
(bernice johnson reagon )

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from:         debbie o'donoghue <doobie@student.umass.edu>
subject:      ne carpool to atlanta pride?

howdy all!


i am a lowly new englander who live in northampton mass, and i am dying to go
to atlanta pride, but i am a little (a lot) weary of driving 18 hours alone,
especially in my feminist/queer sticker  laden car.  if anyone from new england or ny or anywhere along the way is going down, or would like to go but doesn't
want to do it alone, email me cause i would like to go this year.  i would like
to camp or crash somewhere cause i am very low on funds.  if there is anyone
interested let me know soon so i can try to make plans re work and other stuff.
thanks for contiuning to post about pride.  it really sounds like it will be
great i hoope to make it down!  take care and peace!

-deb
doobie@student.umass.edu

v  vwk

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subject:      cameras

i read a posting a bit back about someone videotaping the pride show.

is it common for the girls to allow cameras or videocameras into their
shows? as i am a new fan, i sure would like to tape my first ig concert,
the next time they hit san diego.

chris payne owen4@adnc.com

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from:         deirdre ruth lynch <deirdre_lynch@brown.edu>
subject:      leonard peltier

does anyone honestly think the fbi has any real pressure to clean up their
acts?  sure, ruby ridge and waco have put some pressure on the justice dept.
and the fbi, but it is really only because americans have some twisted ideas
that these religious zealots/rednecks are somewhat valuable in society;
people still aren't screaming loudly enough about similar incidents that
occur all of the time to non-whites.  also, people aren't really upset that
they can now seach our cars for no particular reason if we fit "profiles."
in my state, the profile includes people of color in nice cars (particularly
if they have california liscense plates), whites with longish hair, and
anyone else who looks like they need harassed.  a recent message on this
list was from a woman at umass who was hesitant to drive alone as a woman
with a car that clearly identifies her as queer and a feminist; indeed, it
would be legal for the police to stop her and search her car if they felt
like harassing a dyke.  did you know that the fbi has files on every college
newspaper editor-in-chief in the country?  if you write to the fbi demanding
to see your file (under the fia), they will automatically make a file on you
because you asked about your file and they will never release your file to
you.  meanwhile, no one really cares if a few oglala sioux are killed; it is
part of a two hundred year old tradition of our government trying to
eliminate the group; the only difference now is that the calvary is gone so
the fbi and the bia have taken over.  if a radical black journalist in
philadelphia is (probably) framed for a crime, no one really cares; it is a
good way of eliminating a former black panther with an islamic name.  you
notice that we still have many questions about who actually assassinated
martin luther king, jr. and it is possibly much more solvable than the
assasination of jfk, yet no one really cares.  in this country, murders of
whites are nearly always solved; murders of non-whites are solved perhaps
half of the time.  in states with hate crime laws, lesbians, gays,
bisexuals, and transgendered people are often excluded from the codes
despite the fact that as many if not more of the violent crimes against
queer people are motivated by bigotry against these groups.

amazingly, there is more support out there for leonard peltier than almost
any other unfairly convicted "criminal" in this country.  this is
particularly sad, since the outpouring for peltier is underwhelming.  yet,
people around the world have lobbied for twenty years for peltier's release.
i think that clinton probably feels that he should be released, but this
would be an unpopular move before an election.  after all, it would look
rather soft on crime to release a man who was, however wrongly, convicted of
murdering a white fbi agent.

that is all.  am i cynical?

deirdre

there's a little bit of magic in everything
  and then some loss to even things out.
                        --lou reed

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subject:      i will not be complacent

i desperately need the "i will not be complacent" soc.  i know some of you
fortunate
ones out there have the boot, so please, please help this ponygirl.  i have
some boots to trade if anyone is interested.  i am a devout emily-person, but
i love amy's soc's =).  they satisfy my amy-side...
thanks, y'all!  =)

peace, love, and amoebae, (tee hee, sarah!)
carrie (ponygirl)

p.s.  have fun at pride, everyone!  i'm so jealous... is someone booting the
show by any chance <hopeful grin>?

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deirdre wrote re: utah:

this year's pride was better
attended than ever before (the cooler location and the gsa thing probably
invoked this) and you must remember that it is the land of the mormons.  you
have to remember that utah is really a different country, complete with its
own religion (mormonism), form of government (mormonism), and language
(people here slur vowels so the word "deal" sounds like "dill"). you can't
expect the state to enter the twentieth century for another forty years if
you guage the state's largest university (byu) or liquor laws as any
indicator of where the state is in terms of social maturity.  actually,
considering the state is stuck in the fifties, pride was incredibly
advanced.  plus, it is a much smaller metropolis than atlanta.


i guess you have lived in utah, voted in the state and attended byu to know
all this for a fact?

i was born a texan but have lived in utah by choice for over 15 years,
attended both byu and the university of utah for ba and ms degrees, voted,
worked in the state etc.  i have also lived  and worked and voted in other
places including  new england, the south, california, northwest area and
japan. i feel that i could not allow the comments to go unchallenged.

i am not sure what you mean by living in the fifties, could you please
explain that to me. i for one have no idea what it was like to live back
then.

as far as languages go: if all that can be said about uaht is that dill=deal
then apparently, the southern accents of east/west texas have been excluded,
not to mention the variety of southern accents along the southern states, the
10 or so different accents in the northeastern area, the midwestern flat,
nasal sound. utah's accent is mild compared to those.

the blanket statement about religion in utah is condescending and offensive
to the very active catholic, baptist, presbyterian, methodist and other
congregations that practice here.

the statement about the government is too ludicrous to comment on

i didn't realize that liquor laws gave indication of maturity. is that a new
thing?

while i was not offended by your statements, the generalizations, sophomoric
comparisons and innuendos deserved a credibility check.

marian

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in a message dated 96-06-15 21:43:31 edt, you write:

>does anyone honestly think the fbi has any real pressure to clean up their
>acts?  sure, ruby ridge and waco have put some pressure on the justice dept.
>and the fbi, but it is really only because americans have some twisted ideas
>that these religious zealots/rednecks are somewhat valuable in society;
>people still aren't screaming loudly enough about similar incidents that
>occur all of the time to non-whites.

ah...yes, exactly !
although i am grateful anytime that deadly force is not used,
i have found myself to be increasingly disgusted over
the double standard that exists....
i ask myself...if the "freemen" had been non-white do you think
that they would have been handled so delicately ??? i think not.
we (the people) need to scream about this very loudly !!!!
starting with our elected officials and anyone who will listen.
information is a powerful tool, we must make use of it.

>that is all.  am i cynical?
>
>deirdre

no, just realistic.
(we must not be complacent)
claire

" we who believe in freedom cannot rest until it comes,
  until the killing of black men,
  black mothers' sons
  is as important as the killing of white men,
  white mothers' sons "
(bernice johnson reagon)

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i am also _very_ interested in obtaining an amy "i wiil not be complacent"
soc boot!  if anybody has info. on it, please post!  :)

---lisa

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subject:      re: nigc-utah

perhaps you have lived a somewhat sheltered life here in utah. did you have
a high school graduation where you and your friends were in tears because of
the oppression that you felt from your classmates?  for two consecutive
years, my alma mater has been the center of controversy over persecution.
last year, it was over the singing of religious songs in our school's choir
that led to national press coverage and a mockery of the graduation
ceremony.  this year, the choir sang 100% religious songs (niether of which
were particularly good) at graduation and many of the graduates were
relieved to escape after this year's controversies, including the
gay/lesbian/straight alliance fiasco.  we are talking about a place where
people are scared to assert that they might feel uncomfortable with
christianity as public school curriculum or their sexuality.  in fact, the
state legislates that non-heterosexuals be told in school that their
lifestyle is not "normal."  this is a state where school districts ban all
sorts of wonderful clubs--ethnic clubs, service clubs, and other clubs just
to keep queer youth and their straight allies from having a safe space
within the schools and the legislature holds illegal meetings so they can
gay bash and prevent such clubs.  people wonder why teen suicide rates are
so high among queer youth.

utah is truly like another culture; utahns do not seem at all in the
nineties apart from their consumption of modern conveniences.  i do think
that liquor laws are very good indicators of how a state allows its citizens
to make their own decisions; utah's government still wants people to  do
what they are told without questioning.  the state seems to think that
everyone here is a child, incapable of making reasonable decisions.
instead, they must be legislated by apparently morally superior people.  in
the case of liquor laws, there is only one person on the state liquor
commission who actually drinks.  would a state form a board of education
with only one educator on it or a health department with only one person
with experience in health care?

in terms of mormonism, it truly does dominate the state and basically
belittles all of the other religions.  most non-mormons are afraid of
challenging the mormon institution, basically because the mormon church is
so powerful.  a few years ago, there was a bill that looked liked it was
going to pass in the legislature.  the church opposed it, however.  the
night before the bill came to vote, church leaders called mormon
legislators, telling them to vote against the bill.  it failed.  in another
example, a former student at byu went to register to vote for the first
time.  there were two lines: one for those registering republican and one
for those wishing to register as democrats.  a bishop was also there, going
through the short line of potential democrats and telling them that they
were bad mormons if they did not register as republicans (the student
quickly switched from the republican side to that of the democrats).  true,
the legislature is so conservative and mormon because this is a republican
government where the majority wins and the majority here is mormon, but it
makes it rather difficult for those who aren't mormon and who have to live
by the laws that the legislature passes.

socially, the mormon church can also be oppressive.  it is really hard to
see this from the inside or if you are conformist, but it is painfully
obvious for people from elsewhere or those who question authority. in utah,
social life is highly organized around mormon wards and stake centers.  the
boy scouts meet in ward houses and the leaders are almost exclusively church
leaders.  in neighborhoods, people know one another through their wards and
stakes.  sure, they invite non-mormon families to their social events, but
those not willing to convert are usually shunned.  in schools, cliques are
formed along religious lines: there are the mormons and the non-mormons.
sure, non-mormons often have mormon friends, but these friendships tend to
include dragging non-mormon friends to the wardhouse because everyone is
there and they often dissolve by the end of high school.  by that time, you
see, the hierarchy of seminary has kicked in.  the best and most powerful
are on seminary counsel (they are also often the leaders of their schools'
choirs) and the mormon students tend to effectively exclude non-mormon
friends who don't care about seminary.

sure, there are communities for unitarian-universalists, tongan methodists,
catholics, and baptists, but doesn't anyone find it interesting that utah is
still so much based upon religion for senses of community?  the other
religions in the state are forced to create social networks similar to the
mormon ones because their parishioners have few avenues of finding
communities when they live in the areas of wards of which they are not
members and work with people whose lives are very closely tied to their
religious social networks.  it is a form of segregation.  plus, even when
non-mormons do have friends who are mormon, they are excluded even from
attending their weddings because the church has strict rules as to who can
enter the temples, where most ceremonies are held.  plus, the non-mormons
apparently aren't going to get to the same level of heaven.

i think it is easy to become cynical in utah if you are non-mormon because
alienation from the unique culture of the state is so prevalently
institutionalized.  anyway, this is a state where the early pioneers
actually did form their own written language to set themselves apart.  how
many other states can say that about their founders?  and actually, a thick
utah accent is truly harder to understand than nearly any other accent in
the united states because it is so isolated and, unlike the various souther
or east coast accents, it is never heard of in mass culture.  it is really
kind of a funny accent, though, when you can't distinguish between "failed"
and "felled."

it is true that many non-mormons actually like living in utah.  many of
these people are a bit conservative or can absorb themselves in the amazing
recreational opportunities available in the state.  the fact still remains,
however, that it is very difficult to be in the state if one questions the
status quo or the policies of the mormon church.  you can defend the state
and the church all you want, but it is still backwards and reeking of
oppression of the fifties.  i think that comes from complacency, something
that is a problem everywhere but is a plague in utah.  people in utah are
scared to fight because they are scared of rejection from the establishment
or know that it is nearly impossible to challenge the dominant culture.
"commie" still joins "homo" as the biggest playground insults in utah public
schools; many school children in other states have never even heard the term
"commie."  throwback to a different era, anyone?

deirdre

there's a little bit of magic in everything
  and then some loss to even things out.
                        --lou reed

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claire wrote:

>i ask myself...if the "freemen" had been non-white do you think
>that they would have been handled so delicately ??? i think not.

obviously.  i think that, besides for aim, the closest things that we have
to the freemen in contempory society that is non-white are so-called gangs.
nightly, they dominate headlines and we see how evil these poor kids are:
gun-toting blacks, latinos, pacific islanders, and even asians.  if a poor
samoan kid is in a gang and illegally owns a gun, he is a threat to society,
making our streets unsafe for our children.  the police keep a profile on
him, including his picture so he can be identified as a passenger in the car
during a drive-by shooting or the kid who robbed the seven eleven.  he is
then tried as an adult and sent to a state prison where he will never be
taught any skills that may be useful if he ever gets out.  also, if he is
suspected of a crime, police will think nothing of storming his family's
house at night, brandishing weapons that they are perfectly willing to use
on anyone in the house who challenges the intruders.  also, because of his
skin color, the kid may well fall victim to police brutality, being beaten
up once he is arrested for "resisting arrest."

meanwhile, the fbi knew about the "freemen" for ages but did nothing.  now,
they want to avoid brutality at all costs; americans get a tad upset when
white people are killed by government employees.  i mean, couldn't they have
negotiated?  of course, violence is never an answer, but why are protests so
loud over idaho and waco but rarely do people care about harassment that
occurs on city streets every day?  and why is the death penalty almost
always invoked when the murderer is black but relatively infrequently when
the convict is white?  would there be more opposition to the death penalty
if it were invoked equally or even more often on whites?

deirdre

"freedom" is not to be the same
"freedom" is to cherish who you are
"freedom" is to know.

         -holly near

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im also interested in this now on to a couple other things

1 hey pony girl<g> hugs
and 2 on all other mailing lists im on when i hit reply it says use the to
address which means reply to the list and not hte person how come this one
doesnt do that and can it be set up to do it cause its way eaiser this way
lisa will now get a personal copy from me plus another for being on the
list my way its just a list copy
hugs anthony van p yre

on sun, 16 jun 1996, lisa savu wrote:

> i am also _very_ interested in obtaining an amy "i wiil not be complacent"
> soc boot!  if anybody has info. on it, please post!  :)
>
> ---lisa
>
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deirdre lynch wrote:
>
> perhaps you have lived a somewhat sheltered life here in utah. did you have
> a high school graduation where you and your friends were in tears because of
> the oppression that you felt from your classmates?  for two consecutive
> years, my alma mater has been the center of controversy over persecution.
> .......

> obviously.  i think that, besides for aim, the closest things that we have
> to the freemen in contempory society that is non-white are so-called gangs.
> nightly, they dominate headlines and we see how evil these poor kids are:
> gun-toting blacks, latinos, pacific islanders, and even asians.  if a poor
> ............

i've been very patient and exercising my right to use the del key everytime i
see you name, but now i have to say something.

i believe in separation of church and state for the fact that religion is very
private just as sexual preference and sould be kept out of school.  also your
story about the two voting registration lines is hard to believe. if this is true,
it seems to me that this is very newsworthy and should be told to the mainstream
media.  i am sure that abc, nbc, cbs or cnn would jump all over this story in an
election year. so if you really want to do something about it report it.

in your other editorial about the freeman and youth gangs. all i can say is get
real!

one last note, i will not respond to any of your future post because i would like
to end this thread. if you have any comments to me send it private email.


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i recently gained access to the irc and hopped on the #indigo-girls channel
a few times, but nobody was home *sigh*. anyone on there regularly?  when
is the best time to catch some chatter? i think i would enjoy meeting some
of you in real time...

- connie

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subject:      (nigc)  hello, my name is kevin

hello everyone

this is my first week on the list and my first post so i thought i'd let
people know who i am.  if anyone finds my story interesting, or even if you
don't, you can drop me a line to tell me who you are.  i am starting to get a
feel for who is posting, but i'm sure y'all know each other a lot better than
i do.

i am 20 years old, born at 3:23 pm august 19, 1975.  i grew up in barre,
vermont, the "granite capital of the world," and i am now a senior at
stonehill college in north easton, massachusetts.  i am a double major of
history and environmental studies, and hope to work in environmental law when
i get done here.  i just came back from a semester in washington, dc, where i
worked with the united methodist church environmental justic office on
endangered species issues.  this summer i am co-authoring a textbook on women
in the early christian tradition with two other people at stonehill.

my summer will be spent working on the book, but i will be taking time off to
go to the olympics in atlanta in july -- i just saw the torch run yesterday.
my friend and i are driving down from vermont, yes that is quite a haul, and
we have an extra day planned into our trip to find amy and emily.   well, it
least we will visit their record store -- if anyone has addresses or places
for me to check out while i am there, i would appreciate them.

i received my tickets for the newport folk fest yesterday, and i can't wait
to get back there.  i went both days last year and was amazed by the talent
that graces the stage.

i first fell into the igs when i was about 13, when someone played closer to
fine at a summer camp i went to.  my sister gave me the cassette single she
had of it, and my collection has grown ever since.  i have all of their cd's
now, including 4.5 from england.  i first saw them in concert in august of
1994, at stratton mountain, vermont.  then nov 94 at brandeis univ. waltham,
ma.  april 95 memorial auditorium, burlington, vt -- the only show i have a
bootleg of.  and then last year's nff.

well, if you are still reading all the way down here, thanks for listening to
me.  i'd love to hear from anyone out there.

take care, kevin s. minoli

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can people please express their opinions about utah through private
e-mail?  this debate has become somewhat personal and has nothing to do
with ig!!  keep the list flame free!!

on sun, 16 jun 1996, fred welter wrote:

> deirdre lynch wrote:
> >
> > perhaps you have lived a somewhat sheltered life here in utah. did you have
> > a high school graduation where you and your friends were in tears because of
> > the oppression that you felt from your classmates?  for two consecutive
> > years, my alma mater has been the center of controversy over persecution.
> > .......
>
> > obviously.  i think that, besides for aim, the closest things that we have
> > to the freemen in contempory society that is non-white are so-called gangs.
> > nightly, they dominate headlines and we see how evil these poor kids are:
> > gun-toting blacks, latinos, pacific islanders, and even asians.  if a poor
> > ............
>
> i've been very patient and exercising my right to use the del key everytime i
> see you name, but now i have to say something.
>
> i believe in separation of church and state for the fact that religion is very
> private just as sexual preference and sould be kept out of school.  also your
> story about the two voting registration lines is hard to believe. if this is true,
> it seems to me that this is very newsworthy and should be told to the mainstream
> media.  i am sure that abc, nbc, cbs or cnn would jump all over this story in an
> election year. so if you really want to do something about it report it.
>
> in your other editorial about the freeman and youth gangs. all i can say is get
> real!
>
> one last note, i will not respond to any of your future post because i would like
> to end this thread. if you have any comments to me send it private email.
>
>
>
>
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>
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on sun, 16 jun 1996, kevin minoli wrote:

> hello everyone
>
> this is my first week on the list and my first post so i thought i'd let
> people know who i am.  if anyone finds my story interesting, or even if you
> don't, you can drop me a line to tell me who you are.  i am starting to get a
> feel for who is posting, but i'm sure y'all know each other a lot better than
> i do.
>
> i am 20 years old, born at 3:23 pm august 19, 1975.  i grew up in barre,
> vermont, the "granite capital of the world," and i am now a senior at
> stonehill college in north easton, massachusetts.


ok- i feel this is a good enough reason to come out of lurking.  north
easton ma is my hometown.  (do you know reynolds st?  it's right off
main/sever and right behind sheep pasture)  i live in rochester ny now
going to the u of rochester doing a cognitive science major.  i'm 20, and
been a fan of the ig for 5 years or so.  i'm going back home to easton in
august as a crash point for newport.

ah well.  now that i'm out in the open, maybe i'll post more often.  ig
have been my saving grace emotionally on more then one occasion, and
it's great to see others with simmilar experiences.

-brendan

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tears without the pain" -- queensryche

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kevin! we share a birthday (although i was born a few years earlier)!
12:24pm on august 19, 1973.  welcome!

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"when you were born, you cried and the world rejoiced.  live your life in
such a way that, when you die, the world cries and you rejoice."--chief
seattle

******gwen keyt******
seattle pacific university
bsn class of 1997
gkeyt@paul.spu.edu

on sun, 16 jun 1996, brendan white wrote:

> on sun, 16 jun 1996, kevin minoli wrote:
>
> > hello everyone
> >
> > this is my first week on the list and my first post so i thought i'd let
> > people know who i am.  if anyone finds my story interesting, or even if you
> > don't, you can drop me a line to tell me who you are.  i am starting to get a
> > feel for who is posting, but i'm sure y'all know each other a lot better than
> > i do.
> >
> > i am 20 years old, born at 3:23 pm august 19, 1975.  i grew up in barre,
> > vermont, the "granite capital of the world," and i am now a senior at
> > stonehill college in north easton, massachusetts.
>
>
> ok- i feel this is a good enough reason to come out of lurking.  north
> easton ma is my hometown.  (do you know reynolds st?  it's right off
> main/sever and right behind sheep pasture)  i live in rochester ny now
> going to the u of rochester doing a cognitive science major.  i'm 20, and
> been a fan of the ig for 5 years or so.  i'm going back home to easton in
> august as a crash point for newport.
>
> ah well.  now that i'm out in the open, maybe i'll post more often.  ig
> have been my saving grace emotionally on more then one occasion, and
> it's great to see others with simmilar experiences.
>
> -brendan
>
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> "strange how laughter looks like crying with no sound.. raindrops taste like
> tears without the pain" -- queensryche
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date:         sun, 16 jun 1996 17:01:17 -0400
reply-to:     bump43@aol.com
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from:         kate pritchard <bump43@aol.com>
subject:      hello!

kevin, what camp did you go to?  i ask because i was also introduced to the
indigo girls via my camp, sunapee arts camp in new hampshire (aka my reason
for living) (it's such a wonderful place....)  *sigh*.  i also first heard
them when someone played *closer to fine*.  other people i was introduced to
via camp are - suzanne vega, harry chapin, phish....  there's a lot of music
and love at my camp.  *sigh* now i really miss it!  :)  are there any other
people out there who had similar experiences?
love and hugs, kate*

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date:         sun, 16 jun 1996 17:06:34 +0000
reply-to:     dave jackson <jacksond@uoguelph.ca>
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from:         dave jackson <jacksond@uoguelph.ca>
subject:      "new" artists???

hi everyone!  :)

since this list is so easygoing and friendly, i thought i would toss
a few names into the crowd to see if anyone recognizes them.  these
are artists that i have recently heard of, but they may not
necessarily be new to the music scene:

debra davis
caroline arends
megan metcalf
mindy mcready
the wyrd sisters

if anyone has any information about any or all of the above artists,
i would appreciate it.  i've seen the odd video here and there and
have been intrigued to find out more.

thanks for any assistance!

sincerely,
lisa j. --> who is missing her friend incredibly and must wait two
more weeks until the both of them are back together again.

hey!  "back together again".  it could make a great song title, hmmm?
<grin> i knew there was ig content in this message!  :) :) <grin>
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lisa j. :)

"i'm going to the bathroom now!"
                    -matthew perry as "chandler"

sarah mclachlan melissa etheridge indigo girls
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date:         sun, 16 jun 1996 19:04:40 -0500
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subject:      i will not be complacent

-------------< comments by indigo >--------------

me too!  i'd love info on this, if anyone's got it.
thanks!

tuesday's child

----------< end of comments by indigo >----------

i am also _very_ interested in obtaining an amy "i wiil not be complacent"
soc boot!  if anybody has info. on it, please post!  :)

---lisa

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subject:      ig channel on the irc

ts>i recently gained access to the irc and hopped on the #indigo-girls channel
ts>a few times, but nobody was home *sigh*. anyone on there regularly?  when
ts>is the best time to catch some chatter? i think i would enjoy meeting some
ts>of you in real time...

i try to log onto that channel every night.  i usually find it empty
myself.  there is some quirk of irc that i dont entirely understand, i
think its called splintering.  that means that we could both be on irc
at the same time and both on #indigo-girls but on different levels or
segments of irc.  i think it has to do with what node you're on or
something.
anyway, i could be misinformed/really confused about this.  i did try
logging onto a different server last year and found an active
indigo-girls channel, that wasn't on my usual server, so maybe if you
try a different server you may have better luck.  i usually use
irc.winternet.com, and i'm usually on around 10 or 11pm eastern time.
hope to see you all there.
if anyone has a more accurate answer to the "splintering" thing, i'd
really like to know more.

by the way, as an aside.  someone else (don't remember who, sorry)
mentioned the problem with replying to the list.  where replying to a
post the reply goes the individual, not the list.  i have the same
problem and would love to see it solved if possible.

tuesday's child

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subject:      amy ray cpj interview 1/25/90[excerpts]

hey boiees and goils !
i was just entering this old interview that my student paper did
with amy ray into my pc...it's pretty long so i'm sending out a
few excerpts that i think may be of  intwest :)
aside from the following tidbits ray talks about religion, the situation
in berlin (after the wall came down) and yes the issue of
arming campus security at the evergreen state college,( which
i might add, is still a hot issue on campus... this year, 1996,
6 years after the interview...campus security was sanctioned to
become armed, much to the dismay of the majority of the "greeners")
(myself included).
so any way,
enjoy !
love !  claire (binky)

pizza hut and record pressing
by erich shuler 1/25/90 cooper point journal
[the evergreen state college]
an interview with amy ray of the indigo girls

cpj: on the inside sleeve of "strange fire", you're in a bar with people
who i guess are your friends and relatives ?

ray: yah, that's actually the bar that we played at for three years.
it's called "the little five points pub." it's a really great place. it's
still going real strong. it's a placewhere a lot of original bands
play in atlanta...usually, if you want to play,you just ask them
and they'll let you play a couple of songs and those people in
the picture are like me and emily's families, managers of the pub,
waiters and waitresses, and the people in the back are musicians.

cpj: you're dressed like waitresses in the picture. is that one of your
old jobs ?

ray: no, uh, emily worked for a long time until '87 for a travel agency...
she's had a lot of jobs. i can't remember them all. i worked at, uh,
pizza hut. the job i worked at longest was at a place called, "georgia
record pressing," and i pressed records and loaded boxes -- very blue
collar. but it was a good job because i ended up pressing our own record.

cpj: who were your influences musically and non-musically ?

ray: emily and i are both influenced by literature as much as we are
by music. emily would mention her family as a major influence but both
of us read a lot of southern literature -- faulkner, o'connor, anne tyler.
.......... and both of us are heavily influenced by the atlanta scene --
the musicians that are like ten years older than us. they sort
of helped us get a start and they aren't signed and probably wont ever
get signed.they're either breaking up into new areas or giving it up. i
hope they'll get signed but but the chances are really slim because i
guess once you get like a certain age it's like the record companies
don't look at you.

cpj: how old are the two of you ?

ray: we're 25, uh, emily's 26, i'm 25 and i think that's..yah, wait,
am i 25 ? these people are like 35, 36. although there are some country
singers that got picked up when they were 40 so we're hoping there's a
chance for the others but ...

cpj: okay, how long do you think you'll be around ? when will you have
your farewell tour ?

ray: oh, god. uh, i predict, um...(long pause), 15 years. i don't think
we could be playing much more than that. not at this pace
>end<
[ regarding the reference to 'older" musicians...ani di franco
wrote an article for the latest issue of "musician" magazine
in which she discusses ageism in the music biz...check it out :)]

bye bye now !
binky

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subject:      re: i will not be complacent

>date: sun, 16 jun 1996 20:26:16
>to: weenracer@aol.com
>from: jones <jdjones@earthlink.net>
>subject: re: i will not be complacent
>
>at 07:04 pm 6/16/96 -0500, you wrote:
>>-------------< comments by indigo >--------------
>>
>>me too!  i'd love info on this, if anyone's got it.
>>thanks!
>>
>>tuesday's child
>>
>>----------< end of comments by indigo >----------
>>
>>i am also _very_ interested in obtaining an amy "i wiil not be complacent"
>>soc boot!  if anybody has info. on it, please post!  :)
>>
>>---lisa
>>
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>me, too!
>
>deb
>

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in-reply-to:  <960616192619_330111000@emout12.mail.aol.com>

is this on the cpj website?  here's an intersting thing that happened at
graduation this year  -  i student (i think) unloaded a pellet gun about
an before, right in the middle of 10,000 people on red square.

jeni
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
i spent four years prostate to the higher mind, got my paper i was free.

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on sun, 16 jun 1996 mmedido@aol.com wrote:

> hey boiees and goils !
> i was just entering this old interview that my student paper did
> with amy ray into my pc...it's pretty long so i'm sending out a
> few excerpts that i think may be of  intwest :)
> aside from the following tidbits ray talks about religion, the situation
> in berlin (after the wall came down) and yes the issue of
> arming campus security at the evergreen state college,( which
> i might add, is still a hot issue on campus... this year, 1996,
> 6 years after the interview...campus security was sanctioned to
> become armed, much to the dismay of the majority of the "greeners")
> (myself included).
> so any way,
> enjoy !
> love !  claire (binky)
>
> pizza hut and record pressing
> by erich shuler 1/25/90 cooper point journal
> [the evergreen state college]
> an interview with amy ray of the indigo girls
>
> cpj: on the inside sleeve of "strange fire", you're in a bar with people
> who i guess are your friends and relatives ?
>
> ray: yah, that's actually the bar that we played at for three years.
> it's called "the little five points pub." it's a really great place. it's
> still going real strong. it's a placewhere a lot of original bands
> play in atlanta...usually, if you want to play,you just ask them
> and they'll let you play a couple of songs and those people in
> the picture are like me and emily's families, managers of the pub,
> waiters and waitresses, and the people in the back are musicians.
>
> cpj: you're dressed like waitresses in the picture. is that one of your
> old jobs ?
>
> ray: no, uh, emily worked for a long time until '87 for a travel agency...
> she's had a lot of jobs. i can't remember them all. i worked at, uh,
> pizza hut. the job i worked at longest was at a place called, "georgia
> record pressing," and i pressed records and loaded boxes -- very blue
> collar. but it was a good job because i ended up pressing our own record.
>
> cpj: who were your influences musically and non-musically ?
>
> ray: emily and i are both influenced by literature as much as we are
> by music. emily would mention her family as a major influence but both
> of us read a lot of southern literature -- faulkner, o'connor, anne tyler.
> .......... and both of us are heavily influenced by the atlanta scene --
> the musicians that are like ten years older than us. they sort
> of helped us get a start and they aren't signed and probably wont ever
> get signed.they're either breaking up into new areas or giving it up. i
> hope they'll get signed but but the chances are really slim because i
> guess once you get like a certain age it's like the record companies
> don't look at you.
>
> cpj: how old are the two of you ?
>
> ray: we're 25, uh, emily's 26, i'm 25 and i think that's..yah, wait,
> am i 25 ? these people are like 35, 36. although there are some country
> singers that got picked up when they were 40 so we're hoping there's a
> chance for the others but ...
>
> cpj: okay, how long do you think you'll be around ? when will you have
> your farewell tour ?
>
> ray: oh, god. uh, i predict, um...(long pause), 15 years. i don't think
> we could be playing much more than that. not at this pace
> >end<
> [ regarding the reference to 'older" musicians...ani di franco
>  wrote an article for the latest issue of "musician" magazine
>  in which she discusses ageism in the music biz...check it out :)]
>
> bye bye now !
> binky
>
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subject:      re: ig channel on the irc

sheesh... the one time i went into the ig channel on the irc everyone totally
shut up & left !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i have much better luck on the ani channel.

:)

rick

"i say i drowin' in river. she don't look me like i'm crazy but say, if you
just sit there the river gonna rise up drown you! writing could be the boat
carry you to the other side"          .....sapphire, "push"

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subject:      re: amy ray cpj interview 1/25/90[excerpts]

in a message dated 96-06-16 19:28:52 edt, mmedido@aol.com writes:

<< cpj: you're dressed like waitresses in the picture. is that one of your
old jobs ?

  >>


i am such a weenie!!!!!!!!!!!

i never noticed a & e in that shot. . .

:)
rick

"how to describe a feeling so deep it's like a river? how can a river be
wrong?"
-sapphire,  "push"

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subject:      ep & more

hello!!!

anyone willing to tape the "ep and more" cd for me?  i have some stuff to
trade.  write if interested.

thanks a lot--

rob

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subject:      happy birthday!! (june 17, 1996)
x-cc:         chmielja@vax002.nhc.edu

happy birthday jay!!

"...well if you wake up in the morning, grey dawn, there's a prayer on your
breath, see maybe you lost something precious, god'll save you from losing
yourself..."

chmielja@vax002.nhc.edu
"pushing the needle too far"
{:);)}

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date:         mon, 17 jun 1996 00:33:13 -0400
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subject:      (sort of nigc)  hi, i'm just introducing myself...

hello everybody, my name's emily and i just signed onto this list this week.
i thought i'd introduce myself.  i was born april 19, 1978, so i'm 18, and
i'm going to graduate (finally) from my high school in connecticut this
week.  next year, i'm going to swarthmore college, which is in pennsylvania.
other than ig, i love ani difranco, dar williams, r.e.m., and a lot of other
stuff.

the extent of my indigo girls experiences are as follows:  fan for the last
five years.  i've seen them twice - once at brandeis in late 94, and once at
great woods in summer of 94.  i've regrettably missed them far too many
times playing at newport or in smaller venues in new haven.

my other exciting ig type experience is that i met amy.  she was at an ani
difranco show, in the audience in new york right behind me.  :)

i've noticed people who are amy-geared or emily-loving.  musically, i'm a
soprano, and tend to absorb the top lines (emily) far more readily.  in
terms of song-writing, i think both are wonderful and together, they
complement each other very well and balance the different emotions within me
that music can evoke.

i hope to go to newport this year, though it is far too expensive.  (i was
just at clearwater today, which was only $19 for one day.)

so, that's it!
-emily


"i just hope it was o.k., i know it wasn't perfect
i hope in the end we can laugh and say
it was all worth it...
we make our own gravity to give weight to things
then things fall and they break
and gravity sings"
-a.d.

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subject:      candler fest
in-reply-to:  <199603150425.xaa18395@netspace.org> from "automatic digest
              processor" at mar 14, 96 11:24:09 pm

sorry about the slow response...

but the candler /lake claire music and arts fest was just a small
neighborhood celebration on mcclendon ave. the section from fellini's to
the flying biscuit were closed off and arts vendors filled one end of the
street while the stage filled the other. my frinds and i lounged in the
couches that somebody had put in front of the stage. being nice and comfy
we sat around all day, through the rain and watched some owesome
performers. daemon records was one of the sponsers so it was no surprise
that daemon artists were there. from what i remember and my memory is bad
(senile in my old age;) grady cousins, belloluna, viva la diva, reversing
hour,and alot of others. finally it was almost dark and amy came on with
her band, flunkie (michael lorant and sheila doyle<---marriage bound, btw)
and special guest (guess who?) they started with the new girl with a gun
song (don't kill me, it's late at night and i'm coming off a big buzz),
they did thin line, galileo, ccr's lodi song, and a couple of my fav
michael lorant tunes. it rocked. the most memorable moment though was when
amy pointed out her new tasseled guitar strap. <sic> "this strap makes me
feel like melissa"-amy  emily breaks out in to bring me some water and
laughs. "we tried to send naked pics of ourselves when that album came
out"-amy, i think  "but we sisn't have any"-emily, i think  i was rolling.
much fun. emily was wearing these bright green clog type things and amy
was in her usual black regalia. great little concert.

see you all at pride...     sharon

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subject:      spain here i come!    ps to -margaret clayton-

  hi there intimate strangers!
  i'm waving my temporary goodbye to the list; am leaving for
spain on the 22nd this saturday; will be back home on september 22nd.

  remember awhile ago people were talking about converting their
friends/mothers etc into ig fans?! well some of you might recall how i
recorded 14 of my ig fav into a tape for my adviser...she said she liked
it okay...and i tried to get some of my best friends to listen to amy and
emily, but you know how us gay men can be...they'd rather listen to madonna:)
i'll try my luck with the spanierds...:)

  anyways take care and have a grand summer!! i envy those fortunate ones
who're going to the atlanta pride...
============================================================================
to margaret clayton:

hello margaret, i sent you my $10 at the beginning of the year, and i
understand, as you've explained, that you've been very busy. it's been
almost 6 months now; do you think you're less busy to have the time
to go to the post office and mail my ig tape now that it's summer vacation?
i hope i can get it soon...do you think i can get it before christmas?
that would make a most wonderful season's gift for me; thank you.
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date:         mon, 17 jun 1996 17:12:55 +0800
reply-to:     jenni anderson <rainbow@vianet.net.au>
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subject:      re irc

hi there,
i go on irc #indigo-girls quite a lot but i also check it a lot and find no
one there so perhaps you have just been unlucky. i use irc.cerf.net or
irc.ais.net to access it. im rainbow or rainbow2 or if im desperate to get
on and someone is using my nicks, cyclone.
hope to speak to you sooooon.
take care,
jen

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date:         mon, 17 jun 1996 06:31:07 -0400
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subject:      re: ig in irc

to any of you who've had bad luck with "indigo-girls" on irc, you really
should give it another chance. i just started chatting on there and i love
it. granted it's empty sometimes, but that can happen in any channel. :(
the people there are worth the wait.

deb

p.s.
just tell them "jame" sent you!   have fun!!!

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date:         mon, 17 jun 1996 09:41:39 -0400
reply-to:     indigopony@aol.com
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subject:      ig in public

oops!  i didn't mean the _actual_ ig in public, just their songs!  i was in
wal-mart
(the cultural center of my town) earlier and, while picking out mailing bags
for boots (appropriate, dontcha think?)  heard the familiar strains of "power
of two" on the intercom system.  this was a particularly wonderful experience
because i had never heard ig in public before--i've never even heard them on
the _radio_!  i had to control my urge to shout, "listen up, all you wal-mart
shoppers!  these girls make the best music i've heard, and you'd better run
over to the music section and buy a cd or two of theirs!"  i didn't say it,
though. everyone probably already thought i was crazy grinning and dancing
with glazed eyes...
the only bad part was that emily's guitar solo was interrupted by one of the
"sales
associate's" voices over the intercom.  =(  grrrrrr... if i could have seen
who interrupted
their beautiful music, it would not have been a pretty picture!   has anyone
else had similar experiences hearing ig in public?  just wondering... =)

peace, love, and indigo days,
ponygirl (carrie)

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ah i see one of the problems right here jenni irc ais net leads you to
another net not the undernet (that is unless they have changed this aroudn
again and maid the ais the undernet sever once again) try getting on
norman.ok.us.undernet.org 6660  thats the undernet
hugs anthony van pyre

on mon, 17 jun 1996, jenni anderson wrote:

> hi there,
> i go on irc #indigo-girls quite a lot but i also check it a lot and find no
> one there so perhaps you have just been unlucky. i use irc.cerf.net or
> irc.ais.net to access it. im rainbow or rainbow2 or if im desperate to get
> on and someone is using my nicks, cyclone.
> hope to speak to you sooooon.
> take care,
> jen
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subject:      just hi

hi all,

i haven't posted anything in awhile, so i felt totally justified in taking
up space with my silly news. hahaha

i found a swamp ophelia t-shirt for only 12 bucks at a local flea market and
i bought it!!!!!!!!

i knew that no-one other than you all would share my absolute thrill over
this discovery! sadly, they only had two and one was stained or i would have
gladly gotten them all and sold them at cost to list members. i'm going
again next week, maybe they'll have some more. :)  i'll let ya know.

hugs,
deb (proudly wearing her new t-shirt)

p.s.
don't forget to check out "indigo-girls" on dalnet on irc.

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hey all.

a few months ago i made a great compilation tape of the ig slower songs....ie
not chickenman :)  to play at the restaurant i work at.  we always play jazz
or blues, sometimes new age stuff.......  but i begged for a change.  so i
made a collection of the best songs i could think of to listen to while
dining...and brought it in!  i converted many of my co workers.....!
  needless to say, the customers loved it!  it felt great everytime someone
asked "who are we listening to?  i really like it!"

i walked up on one table, and everyone was singing along with love will come
to you.   it was great!
then again, someone else said...is this the ig?  i said yeah!  they
said..."geez, i didn't think they ever came out with another album after that
closer to fine one.

she obviously lives in a box.  anyway, she liked in and said she was gonna
check into some of their newer music too:)

well, i wore that tape out....so we don't play it too much, i could listen to
it everynight...but other people can take it on a daily basis.... :)   so its
back to the blues for cassidey's grill and public house.

take care all....just thought i would share.
don't forget to order your ig 1996 list shirt!  deadline approaches!
rob augino

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reply-to:     derek keith moulaison <frisco@uclink2.berkeley.edu>
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subject:      road trip?
x-to:         diana bernice sweeten <m_c_01f6@frank.mtsu.edu>
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heyis anybody interested in roadtripping to the atlanta for the concert?
i'm coming from indianapolis, so if anyone is anywhere close to the way,
and and wants to road trip, let me know. i'm planning on going early
saturday, and am coming back after the show on sun. as for places to stay,
i'm going to try to crash at a very long lost friend, so i'm sorry i can't
offer a place to say, but let me know!

derek

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>date:  mon, 17 jun 1996 10:04:27 -0400
>reply-to: mark anthony donajkowski <madonajk@alpha.delta.edu>
>sender: indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
>from: mark anthony donajkowski <madonajk@alpha.delta.edu>
>subject:      re: re irc
>x-to:         jenni anderson <rainbow@vianet.net.au>
>to: multiple recipients of list indigo-girls <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
>
>ah i see one of the problems right here jenni irc ais net leads you to
>another net not the undernet (that is unless they have changed this aroudn
>again and maid the ais the undernet sever once again) try getting on
>norman.ok.us.undernet.org 6660  thats the undernet
>hugs anthony van pyre
>
>on mon, 17 jun 1996, jenni anderson wrote:
>
>> hi there,
>> i go on irc #indigo-girls quite a lot but i also check it a lot and find no
>> one there so perhaps you have just been unlucky. i use irc.cerf.net or
>> irc.ais.net to access it. im rainbow or rainbow2 or if im desperate to get
>> on and someone is using my nicks, cyclone.
>> hope to speak to you sooooon.
>> take care,
>> jen
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uh uh.  indigo-girls is on dalnet, unless ther's another one on undernet
that i haven't been to.

deb

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subject:      ig in public

>date:  mon, 17 jun 1996 09:41:39 -0400
>reply-to: indigopony@aol.com
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>subject:      ig in public
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>
>oops!  i didn't mean the _actual_ ig in public, just their songs!  i was in
>wal-mart
>(the cultural center of my town) earlier and, while picking out mailing bags
>for boots (appropriate, dontcha think?)  heard the familiar strains of "power
>of two" on the intercom system.  this was a particularly wonderful experience
>because i had never heard ig in public before--i've never even heard them on
>the _radio_!  i had to control my urge to shout, "listen up, all you wal-mart
>shoppers!  these girls make the best music i've heard, and you'd better run
>over to the music section and buy a cd or two of theirs!"  i didn't say it,
>though. everyone probably already thought i was crazy grinning and dancing
>with glazed eyes...
>the only bad part was that emily's guitar solo was interrupted by one of the
>"sales
>associate's" voices over the intercom.  =(  grrrrrr... if i could have seen
>who interrupted
>their beautiful music, it would not have been a pretty picture!   has anyone
>else had similar experiences hearing ig in public?  just wondering... =)
>
>peace, love, and indigo days,
>ponygirl (carrie)
>
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carrie,
i live about 15 minutes form boston and they're always playing in a store or
restuarant around here. i guess i never realized how lucky i was. thanks for
the reminder.
deb

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subject:      the irc

please help the computer illiterate like myself to find this so-called
"undernet".
where and what is the irc?
how do we get there?
~~robin

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subject:      tour

hi,

does anyone have current tour info for ig.  if there's somewhere i can find this
via ftp, let me know.  unfortunately i don't have web access (life sux)

i was in georgia a few years ago and went to rainy day records and flying
biscuit.  very fun trip, the high point of which was driving into ga with the
green rolling hills rising and falling to "southland in the springtime"
we even stopped at the side of the road to buy boiled peanuts.  they sure warmed
my fingers, but they didn't taste that good.  guess it's an acquired taste
*grin*  damn miss those roadtripping days...

lilah
lkatcher@macc.wisc.edu

              ,__o
     ----   _-\_<,
    ----   (*)/'(*)

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date:         mon, 17 jun 1996 12:18:36 -0400
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from:         mark anthony donajkowski <madonajk@alpha.delta.edu>
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as far as i know there are 3 nets
dalnet
efnet
and the undernet
as for irc chat you folks on aol i dont think can reach there

on mon, 17 jun 1996 atlmouse@aol.com wrote:

> please help the computer illiterate like myself to find this so-called
> "undernet".
> where and what is the irc?
> how do we get there?
> ~~robin
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well ais isnt dalnet as far as i know

on mon, 17 jun 1996, jones wrote:

> >date:  mon, 17 jun 1996 10:04:27 -0400
> >reply-to: mark anthony donajkowski <madonajk@alpha.delta.edu>
> >sender: indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
> >from: mark anthony donajkowski <madonajk@alpha.delta.edu>
> >subject:      re: re irc
> >x-to:         jenni anderson <rainbow@vianet.net.au>
> >to: multiple recipients of list indigo-girls <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
> >
> >ah i see one of the problems right here jenni irc ais net leads you to
> >another net not the undernet (that is unless they have changed this aroudn
> >again and maid the ais the undernet sever once again) try getting on
> >norman.ok.us.undernet.org 6660  thats the undernet
> >hugs anthony van pyre
> >
> >on mon, 17 jun 1996, jenni anderson wrote:
> >
> >> hi there,
> >> i go on irc #indigo-girls quite a lot but i also check it a lot and find no
> >> one there so perhaps you have just been unlucky. i use irc.cerf.net or
> >> irc.ais.net to access it. im rainbow or rainbow2 or if im desperate to get
> >> on and someone is using my nicks, cyclone.
> >> hope to speak to you sooooon.
> >> take care,
> >> jen
> >>
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> uh uh.  indigo-girls is on dalnet, unless ther's another one on undernet
> that i haven't been to.
>
> deb
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from:         corinne simpson <corinne@utah-inter.net>
subject:      ig in public

here's my neato story of how i am converting my state to ig...
  my fave radio station 107.5 the end had a 15 minutes of fame weekend, in
which they had listeners send in 4 songs that they wanted to hear in a set.
then they played everyone's set.  i requested "crucify" tori amos, "fast
car" tracy chapman, "jealousy" natalie merchant, and yes, "joking" by our
girls.  they played my set yesterday morning and the dj was like, "great set
corinne!"  okay, so i made 'em play ig, baby, and everyone got a taste of
the fab chicas that we love so much.  :)
corinne
ps plus, i dreamed about ani difranco last night, and boy she sure was
friendly. :)

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>please help the computer illiterate like myself to find this so-called
>"undernet".
>where and what is the irc?
>how do we get there?
>~~robin
>
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>
robin,
you need to have a chat program like mirc. most internet providers have one
in their software or you can always download it off the net.

i don't use undernet, i use dalnet. so i can give you their address:
dragon.dal.net. if you get mirc, it will already be listed but any of the
dalnets will work as well. once you get on the server (dalnet), just list
#indigo-girls and join in. this sounds pretty vague as i'm reading it, so
why doesn't anyone who needs help with it, e-mail me personally. i'll give
you my phone # and we'll try and get it set up.  it's really easy.

hugs,
deb
"feminism is the radical notion that women are people too."

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date:         mon, 17 jun 1996 14:25:57 -0400
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subject:      squeaky fromme

could a kind soul please mail me the lyrics and guitar chords to "the ballad
of squeaky fromme". i would really appreciate it.
ben

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date:         mon, 17 jun 1996 14:46:01 edt
reply-to:     lorinda wright <lw01@lehigh.edu>
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subject:      nigc columbia folk fest

do de dum dum *hee hee, giggle giggle*

just had a great weekend, and i thought i'd share with y'all. yen and i went
to the columbia folk fest in central pa. it was great. we had a great time,
_especially_ cuz yen volunteered us both to work for the fest, which meant we
had total access all weekend. ahh, life can be so good.

we actually didn't see anywhere near all the acts because we _did_ have to
work, but we made sure we saw the ones we were really interested in. namely
cosy sheridan, and dar williams. if yen wants to comment on iris dement, i'll
leave that up to her.

i'd never seen cosy sheridan perform before, but she was _very_ good. very
funny, and talented. loved her voice. check her out if you can.

then of course dar williams. i can't figure out why she was on in the middle
of saturday. she should have at _least_ been the last act on saturday because
the crowd was _totally_ into her. she had the whole place happily belowing out
the chorus to iowa. then when we brought her back for an encore the whole
front row was calling out song requests, and she ended up doing mine
(alleluya). :) :)
after her performance she went to sign albums for people, and i got her to
sign my wristband (i already had all the albums). i'm just disappointed that
i'll have to take the wristband _off_ for my next job interview. (bright
yellow plastic folk fest band with dar williams' signature might not impress
the interviewers. :)

but wait, there's more...i have to tell you the really good part. :)
saturday afternoon we were sitting in the volunteer's tent having lunch, when
cosy sheridan walks up to us and asks if she can join us. (gee, we had to
think really hard about _that_ one!;) "of _course_ you can join us." so, um
*ahem* we had lunch with cosy sheridan. :) (i sure hope there are some cosy
fans out there, cuz if not, then no one will be jealous, and _that's_ no fun
at all. ;) besides, she's really great, and you should all check her out.
so nya nya nya nya nya, we had lunch with cosy sheridan! *hee hee hee!*

i'm sorry i'm being so obnoxious, folks, but _i_ thought this was pretty neat.
:) and i just _had_ to share our little moment of glory. :)

folkisgruven, and enjoy atlanta pride for those of you who are going.
lorindigo
ps. did i tell you we had lunch with cosy sheridan?... :)

driving...


lorinda wright            "...and we walk in the world of safe people
lw01@lehigh.edu            and at night we walk into our houses and burn."
lehigh university                                - dar williams
bethlehem, pa

                  i will not be complacent

"jump, jangle, jiggle and rock. fly through the sky. sail across the top.
spin out, give out, give in. you're alive!"  -melissa ferrick

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> one last note, i will not respond to any of your future post because i would
> like to end this thread. if you have any comments to me send it private
> email.
>

this seems unfair to me, like having your say and then turning off the
microphone.  i think that oppression, whether it is by the government or
by a religious organization is worthy of comment. and, i choose to talk about
it here because it came up here, and because prejudice against homosexuals
is something that involves amy and emily, and is also something they are
trying to change.

first as a side note, i don't think the actual constitution mentions the
separation of church and state.  i could be wrong but i think it says
something to the effect of, "congress shall make no law respecting an
establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; ..."
i think this is in the first amendment.  i believe the, "separation of
church and state" was coined by a supreme court justice in the decision
abolishing school mandated prayers.

>
> i believe in separation of church and state for the fact that religion is
> very private just as sexual preference and should be kept out of school.
>

no disrespect meant to your belief, but the part of the constitution
prohibiting congress from establishing a religion was put there to
prevent the kinds of religious oppression that the people who came to
the new world, came here to escape.  it has nothing to do with religion
being private.

it is perfectly legal, normal, and common to see organizations on school
campuses like the fellowship of christian athletes. so why shouldn't gay
organizations have this same right?  or, white supremist organizations for
that matter?

you can accuse me of being anti-mormon, but i'm not. i am against anybody
who tries to take advantage of people who can't defend them self.  i don't
care if they're mormon, baptist, methodist, fascist, or the four horsemen.
i also don't feel that it is an unfair indictment of the mormon church to
say that they are anti-gay. i believe that they are quite publicly anti-gay.
am i wrong about that? if i'm not wrong, but you feel offended when people
say that the mormon church is anti-gay, then maybe you should work to change
the viewpoint of the church.

the people of utah have every right to say that homosexuality is an
abomination before god if they want to. but, they have no right to
legislate out my ability to say that they are wrong. the kind of laws
passed by the utah legislature deserves the public score it has reserved
because it is base on nothing more than blind prejudice and "animus", to
barrow a word from justice kennedy, toward a specific group.

as another side note, every mormon i have ever meet, and knew that they were
a mormon, as always been very nice to me.  if they are anti-gay, it's just
because that's what they have been taught ever sense they were small children.
just as that is what i have been taught, until i was old enough to know better.
you can thank a&e for that.

trant

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date:         mon, 17 jun 1996 15:29:48 -0400
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subject:      public ig

hey all,
        probably one of my most exicting public ig's happened a little over
a month ago.  my woman and i had just returned from our honeymoon, which
was a little more "in the country" than we were used to.  (not that we
didn't expect it to be)  we decided to go to a newly added restaraunt to
our area "don pablo's."  it was a busy night and we had a *long* wait.  the
food was good but a little too little for our appetites.  however, the
atmosphere was definetely the redeeming quality!  we were seated directly
next to a water fountain in the center of the room, which we felt was
pretty cool.  aaaaaand...  over the pumped in music system we heard not
one, but *two* ig songs in the @45 mins while we ate!!!!  least complicated
and power of two, i believe.  the more "popular" ones i admit, but the
unexpected double whammy after a period of semi-social-deprivation
combined to make a real sweet treat!  (and i'm an amy person! :)

                                take care,
                                                melissa

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subject:      nigc: a personal incident

it's monday and i'm back at work after aa wonderful sunny nj weekend and a      rather uncomfortable friday night train commute from newark, nj to my hometown.

since this is an enlighted group, i thought maybe some people could provide me
advice on my incident and a related concern that, now that i think about it,
really bothers me.

sorry if this goes on and on....

the incident...
friday's train was packed!!!! (so much for nj transit's claim that their new
lines would reduce volume on my line!)  there was standing room only and i got
sandwiched into a closet-like space with two young men.  since the train ride
was bumpy, i didn't think much of the ocassional contact between myself and the two young men, until they started to make lewd sexual comments.  i tried to
ignore them, but they kept at it.   finally, i (stupidly) said (trying to be
polite) that i wasn't interested (true) and that i already had a boyfriend (true---i've been happily involved with someone for a few years now and he's so
wonderful---sorry had to plug alex.).   there comments got worse.  i tried to
move (but there was nowhere to go except off the train while it was moving),
but i couldn't.  i kept on ignoring them as best as i can, when one of them
said "what are you a "lesbo" or something?"

i was really offended!  not because they implied that i was homosexual
(i'm not but readily admit that i have been attracted to women but never acted
on those feelings... yes, i have trouble defining that whole sexuality thing),
but because they implied that being one was negative and used rather offensive
language.  stupid, me tried explaining this to them...

as i tried to explain this, the train made it's first stop and a ton of people
got off so i could move to another area.  before i did this i told the 2 jerks
that if given a choice between them and a woman, i'd take the woman!

i explained the incident to a friend (who happens to be bisexual) and she told
me that what i said (the thing about chosing a woman over them) could be
interpreted as homophobic as what they were saying.  i didn't mean it like
that (i really hate homophobia and would not want to contribute to it)..

i'd really like to hear what you all think.

i know this is long but on a related note, a few weeks ago my best friend and
i were in the somerset diner, somerset nj.  we always joke around and flirt
with each other.  something we said or did (hold hands, tell each other we love
each other, i don't know), must've offended the waitress who made a big
scene in front of the manager about not wanting to wait on us.  she kept
pointing at us and talking to the other workers.  i had to get up to refill
my coffee myself.  finally, we left (after miserable service!).  while in the
parking lot we noticed everyone on staff up against the window looking at us!
my friend and i were hugging each other goodbye (we're kind of affectionate
friends) and someone (a customer?) told us we had to "stop loitering" in the
parking lot.  i gave my best friend a kiss on the check (to everyone's horror)
and left.
the moral of this story_ don't patronage the somerset diner.
my question to the group--- what do we do to stop this sort of attitude?  since
i'm not gay and have no proof that our miserable service and general mistreatment was becuase my friend and i were perceived as lovers (yes-- we did act things
up a little more then normal to annoy the people who were offended.  wheter
this is right or wrong, i really enjoyed it (both the annoying and the affection!).) so i can't really complain about civil rights....  comments and suggestionsare appreciated!

crecca@admin.njit.edu

thanks for allowing me to waste your time.  i am sorry this is no igc.

in the spirit of the earth,
cynthia crecca

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subject:      time to delurk

i've finally got my own mailbox set up and i'm ready to delurk after over a
month of "listening in" on you guys. thank you to you all for positively
making my day time and time again. it's amazing how comforting and wonderful
it is to be welcomed by messages from such an incredibe group every time i
sign on.

about me: i'm 14 years old and, sadly i've only been a fan for about two
years, and have yet to see a&e in concert. i guess i've found that being a
new fan is fun at first (it's like they came out with 6 albums all in a row)
but now that i've gotten my hands on everything new of theirs, i'm having a
hard time finding copies of older albums. but oh well, such is life i
suppose. being unable to drive is also a major setback. unlike alot of you
who can travel to see the girls, i'm in the unfortunate position of having
to wait for them to come somewhere near my home, which is in wisconsin, by
the way.

i was introduced to ig music at camp a few years ago and have loved it ever
since. along with a&e, i love ani, dar williams, patty larkin, the nields,
and a lot of other performers too.  sooo, i guess it's about time for me to
stop my pathetic ramblings and end this post. thanks for reading this far,
i'd love to correspond with anyone who cares to write to me, so e-mail me if
you'd like to.

                          -abigail

"i could wake up screaming sometimes
but i don't"
             -ani difranco

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subject:      re: irc

you poor benighted aolers have two choices when it comes to irc:
1) telnet to telnet2.eu.undernet.org 6677 - that's a public clienet that
anyone can use
2) get a *real* internet provider.
the second is preferable.
also, learn to rtfm. ;)
kirsten

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subject:      (nigc) michelle malone - drag the river

i was poking around in the used cd section at a local music store today and
saw michelle malone - drag the river for $5.99.  i don't know much about
her music, but i love "i don't wanna know" (it really rocks!).
is this a good cd to add to my collection?  any input would be appreciated.

thanks,
holly

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subject:      [nigc] searchin'

okay, so on the ani list something we were discussing led me to wonder if
there were any out gay men making noise, being heard like ani or amy or
emily. hence, the beginning of a quest......
yes, a quest for the queer! i mean, i love a&e & ani & melissa & kd &
me'shell, but... elton john & david bowie both lack that certain
something...maybe it's a generational gap or something, but i'd love to be
able to hear a gay man my age make the kinda noise that all the women
mentioned above are. so i began to look & these are the first two that i've
found. (i've already posted this to the ani list, so if there are any of ya
who are on both... sorry! and since there are bound to be lotsa people who
don't care, forgive me.)
okay so today the ups guy knocked on my door with my package from lambda
rising, everyone's favorite g/l/b/t/whatever bookstore. :)
inside said package are 2 cd's... yes, my search for openly gay young men who
are making noise has borne it's first fruit. or fruits. get it?? ;)

david clement: be more like me
looking through the booklet: he reminds me of me...a folkie fag, if you
will...
first impression: he sounds like e. (not emily. e. anyone who gets this
reference is electra-cool)
wacky comparison: okay, i'm thinking liz phair (melodies like liz stuff circa
exile
in guyville) mixed with jewel (acoustic guitar), & vocals sorta toad the wet
sprocketish.
overall: check it out if you like liz -he's got a real cool sense of humor
like her!! it's
  very.. um. what word do i need? low key?? it's great! i like it. (although
you do have
  to wonder about someone who dreams about "being done by eddie vedder".
scary)
----the album's on ummm...wild monk records, so it'll be a bit hard to find.
e-mail me & i can dig out the address or give you a number of the place i
ordered it from ;)

extra fancy: sinnerman
looking through the booklet: lead singer, brian gallo (who's the only band
member
  that isn't openly straight ;) is to die for. rick decides that even if they
suck i'll be
  front row at every show acting like a 12 year old at a new kids concert.
this is so
  tacky to say, but... god, i want him. ahem. sorry. :)
first impression: they rock!!!!!!!
wacky comparison: okay, this one might be out there, but i kept thinking of
concrete
  blonde (hello claire!) when i listened to sinnerman. hmm... some sorta
surfer rock stuff there too.
  gallo has a sexy voice, too. ;)
overall: excellent. i love this. i already put it in my portable cd holder
flip wallet thingie.
   winning songs- "goddamn beautiful world", "seven years ago", and "the
crush".
----------this album oughta be a cinch to find if you wanna. atlantic has
been promoting it in out & the advocate, & since it is on a major label, it
oughta be readily available, but again, e-mail me if you have trouble finding
it. :)

*side note. when i woke up this morning i was really hyper for some reason
(maybe it was because i fell asleep last night while listening to martika?)
and got the jones to peel off the chiquita banana sticker from the banana &
stick it on my forehead. i don't know why. (yeah, like you haven't done
that!) anyway, i sorta forgot that it was there & i was hanging out around
the house all day until all of a sudden- knock at the door & the ups guy is
there, right. well, i'm thinking he's giving me this look because he's in a
good mood or since he sorta comes by regularly he's being friendly,
right..... when i saw myself in the mirror i just had to laugh... ;)

thanks for listening & if you weren't interested  i'm sorry.... :)
rick
22 year old queer lookin' for a fellow voice!!!!

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benjamin slavin pleads on bended knee
>could a kind soul please mail me the lyrics and guitar chords
>to "the ballad of squeaky fromme". i would really appreciate it.

sure. the following was posted to the ig list on 2/95 and prob.
several times before then:


---------------

from: vonnieig@aol.com
date: sun, 12 feb 1995 16:19:11 -0500
to: ctf@cgrg.ohio-state.edu
subject: squeaky chords/ftp

someone asked for the chords so here they are. also if you do ftp from aol
you can get into it and get lots of the ig songs. when i first tried it it
was full 30 people at a time but i tried & got in. thanks to the person that
gave the aol info about ftp.

am  c  g  d
[intro]

am                    c       g                    d
  we're scared as hell 'cause squeaky's out of jail
      am                c               g             d
i can feel her close behind me like the devil on my heels
     am                    c            g           d
they say she's heading to california or maybe for dc
        am                     c      g               d
but i'm sittin' here down in georgia arguing with my family
am   g    c    d

the contras called a truce, but they broke it in an hour
now someone sittin' in the tower of babel is givin' them their power
well they stopped the war in bethlehem just to let sweet jesus pass
oh but how much does it really mean if they screw him over behind his back?

i can feel her closin' in, and i hope she understands
that society and me, now we aren't necessarily hand in hand
she's broken all her bonds, got no superficial cause
you know she gave up all her chances to live inside the law

now squeaky, peace on earth - will you tell me what it's worth?
>from the inside out i'd let you in; you might understand
well now squeaky, in your mixed-up mind, you may not be so blind
>from the inside out i'd let you in, you might understand

     am            c             g               d
that god is in my heart, but the devil's in our bones
    am      c  g  d             am   c       g             d
and squeaky,      you are not alone,   yeah, you are not alone
       am             c               g6              d(9)
gimme peace on earth, peace on earth, peace on earth, peace on earth
am             c               g6              d(9)
squeaky, gimme peace on earth, peace on earth, peace on earth
am              c               g6              d(9)
peace on earth, peace on earth, peace on earth, peace on earth
    am             c                            g
now squeaky, gimme peace on earth, and then you tell me what it's worth
(n.c.)
>from the inside out i would let you in, i think that you might understand
(n.c.)
that a god is in my heart, but the devil, i said the devil's in our bones
    am      c    g
and squeaky,       you are not alone


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>first impression: he sounds like e. (not emily. e. anyone who gets this
>reference is electra-cool)

oohh,oohh, me!   a man called (e) is one of my favorite albums!
oh boy, electra-cool, that's the best thing i've been called in a long
time!

i don't know if you intended it rick, but its funny that you used the
word "cool" since e. is the perfect spokesperson for everyone who was
decidedly "uncool" in high school!  :)


  harry "electra-cool" keates
  email: hak@crai.com

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subject:      re: squeaky fromme

i'm sorry, but i just can't get past the name "squeaky"
it makes me want to giggle.

binky ;)

(and yes, i know all about who she is and all......i was in
s.f. when she took a shot at prez ford )

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on tue, 18 jun 1996 mmedido@aol.com wrote:

> (and yes, i know all about who she is and all......i was in
>  s.f. when she took a shot at prez ford )

don't hold back on us claire, tell the story! i'm prolly not the only one
who'd like to hear what the song is referring to in more detail. :)

kristina

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subject:      nigc: audre lorde

hey !!
guess what !???
tonight's thenight that "audre lorde, a litany for survival"
is sceduled to be aired on pbs's p.o.v..
it's really, really good. trust me.
soooo.....set your vcr's cuz it's on late.(midnite)

binky

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subject:      re: squeaky fromme

in a message dated 96-06-18 02:00:31 edt, kristina writes:

>> (and yes, i know all about who she is and all......i was in
>>  s.f. when she took a shot at prez ford )
>
>don't hold back on us claire, tell the story! i'm prolly not the only one
>who'd like to hear what the song is referring to in more detail. :)

lynette "squeaky" fromme (sp?)
one of charles manson's followers, although not involved in the
tate/la bianca murders, i think was one of the group of women
who hung out at the trial..shaved their heads and carved big
ol' x's in their foreheads....spooky kids...her brain took a wrong turn some
where along the line(too much lsd ??). ("the devil's in my bones").
then during a visit by (then..) president ford to san fransisco...she
tried to shoot him outside of a ritzy hotel (she missed..i think some
local hero may have intervened).
she's still in prison i believe.

love power !
claire

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subject:      re: irc

at 08:37 am 6/18/96 -0400, you wrote:
>hi,
>    i'm not sure where to go to download the software for irc...can you help?
>i would greatly appreciate uit...  :)
>
>mjg
>
>i'm not sure how it works if you use aol. you should give their customer
service a call and ask them, they certainly charge you enough.  i know for
us private provider users, we can just download it off the net. you just do
a search for "mirc" with your web browser and it will give you tons of pages.

hugs,
deb

p.s.
think about losing aol and try a private provider. you don't get all the
glitz, but they only run about $19.95 a month.

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subject:      re: any one have....?

hi y'all,
  i was wondering if anyone out there might have the red rocks, colorado show
(8/13/94), a concert on 8/7/94 ( i don't know where), an austin,tx concert on
(3/24/95), the charleston,sc show of 2/7/95, a new haven, ct concert in 4/95,
the show from tower 4/26/95, the brisbane show on 2/22/95, and/or the athens, ohshow on 4/12/95 that they would be willing to trade for?  i want to get togetherall the tapes that have one of amy's s.o.c.s on them and then make a tape of    just the chickenman songs.  once this is done i can offer it to the list (at
which time i will ask for tree volunteers.)  i have to get the tapes together
first so if any one can help that would be great.   any one know of any other   shows where amy takes off that i haven't included?  please-mail me privately.   thanx and take it easy.

peace,
amy

ps i already have the erie show [thanx carrie  :) ] and the one found on
complicated girls.

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>date:  mon, 17 jun 1996 15:52:50 est
>reply-to: "cynthia a. crecca" <crecca@admin.njit.edu>
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>from: "cynthia a. crecca" <crecca@admin.njit.edu>
>subject:      nigc: a personal incident
>to: multiple recipients of list indigo-girls <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
>
before i did this i told the 2 jerks
>that if given a choice between them and a woman, i'd take the woman!
>
>i explained the incident to a friend (who happens to be bisexual) and she told
>me that what i said (the thing about chosing a woman over them) could be
>interpreted as homophobic as what they were saying.  i didn't mean it like
>that (i really hate homophobia and would not want to contribute to it)..
>
>i'd really like to hear what you all think.
>
sorry, but i'd have to agree with your friend on this one. i'm sure you
didn't mean it that way, but it sounds like you were saying that the thought
of sleeping with them is more repulsive than the thought of sleeping with a
woman. which leads one to believe that you would find the thought of
sleeping with a woman repulsive. sort of like, the lesser of two evils. but
don't get yourself all upset about it, we all say silly things sometimes.
and don't ever feel you have to explain anything to jerks like that on a
subway. ignoring them is usually better, i find.

hugs,
deb

p.s.
as far as your other incident, i'll leave that for someone else. i can get
creally caught up in motherley advice. hahaha  but i say this, i will never
frequent that diner.

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date:         tue, 18 jun 1996 10:46:36 -0400
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i'm flashing back here................ i used to have this girl friend sorta
kinda almost girlfriend who called me squeaky. cuz o'my voice i guess.

:) totally random thing there but just had to share!!!

rick

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reply-to:     michael reynolds <asl@gandalf.umcs.maine.edu>
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subject:      re: any one have....?
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              jun 18, 96 09:34:11 am

i *believe* dartmorth 4/18/95 has an soc, i *know* 12/8/94 portland maine
has one (rather long too...) i have that red rocks show on tape (the ghost
is the one from 1200 curfews!) (i have the same source as 1200 curfews so it
should sound good) i believe the first chickenman soc was in rochester ny in
10/94....
who knows...
mike r.

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in a message dated 96-06-18 01:23:37 edt, hak@crai.com (keates, harry)
writes:

<< >first impression: he sounds like e. (not emily. e. anyone who gets this
>reference is electra-cool)

oohh,oohh, me!   a man called (e) is one of my favorite albums!
oh boy, electra-cool, that's the best thing i've been called in a long
time!

i don't know if you intended it rick, but its funny that you used the
word "cool" since e. is the perfect spokesperson for everyone who was
decidedly "uncool" in high school!  :)


   harry "electra-cool" keates
   email: hak@crai.com >>

:)  you got it!!!!!!!!!  yes, e is the perfect spokesperson for outcasts
everywhere...
come on, electra-cool- someone's gotta remember electra woman & dyna girl...

by the way- thanks to everyone who's been e-mailing me with more suggestions
for music!! more!! :)
and also in my original post i referred to extra fancy's rock god lead singer
as brian gallo- it's brian grillo. feel free to send me to him as a sacrifice
as punishment. ;)
:)
rick
*when i come around for my goodbyes
you'll be the scarecrow, the one i adored* -e

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date:         tue, 18 jun 1996 08:57:29 -0700
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subject:      song of the week... pot????

oh great... this whole list has gone to pot :-)
um... okay, so has the song a week thread sort of died out??? me... i'm
hoping for a re-sounding "not" ( valley-girl style )... cause if it
hasn't... the sow is pot and i have a few tts about it ok??? cmd??? sib????
:-)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
what could e have meant by this song??? <kim takes a long + deeply
thoughtful pause> okay, so maybe no-one will agree with my barney + fred
doing ballet parralell... and i doubt *anyone* wants to comment on the
carefully masked reference to grape nuts
("shiny little trinkets of temptation"... c'mon, people!!! ) but i'll bet
y'all will agree it's a pretty straight forward love song... no need for too
much interpretative stuff here...
ah well.. it's a nice song and puts me in a good mood whenever i hear it.
perfect for a sunny day. does anyone have a neat little story surrounding
it? me... the best thing i can come up with is seeing bots at the little
theatre in the small northern town i was living in at the time + hearing pot
for the first time then... not much of a story... anyone else care to add???
peace all... kim.
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subject:      re: nigc: a personal incident

i've got to comment on this one. this is gonna be long, but this is
important...
i've deleted the stuff about the guys on the train. i'll get to that in a
minute. first i want to say something about the waitress incident. you closed
your note suggesting that we not patronize that restaurant. actually, i have
another suggestion...

>each other, i don't know), must've offended the waitress who made a big
>scene in front of the manager about not wanting to wait on us.  she kept
>pointing at us and talking to the other workers.  i had to get up to refill
>my coffee myself.  finally, we left (after miserable service!).  while in the
>parking lot we noticed everyone on staff up against the window looking at us!
>my friend and i were hugging each other goodbye (we're kind of affectionate
>friends) and someone (a customer?) told us we had to "stop loitering" in the
>parking lot.  i gave my best friend a kiss on the check (to everyone's horror)
>and left.
>the moral of this story_ don't patronage the somerset diner.


folks, i hate to tell you this, but _no_one_ at this diner will _ever_ take
the slightest notice if the 700+ people on this list don't patronize this
diner. so i don't think that's the answer. actually, i'm thinking of two
possibilities depending on who was acting inappropriately. was it just the
waitress/service staff? or did it also include the diner owner(s)?
if the diner owners were involved in some way, then we could say that the
diner itself is involved, and the reaction should involve the whole diner. now
throughout what i'm about to say, it's important to keep a couple of things in
mind: first remember that _we_ have the higher moral ground. _they_ are the
ones who are being hateful, spiteful, angry, and bigoted. in order to _keep_
the higher moral ground we must _never_ allow our actions to include anything
illegal, immorale, or violent, etc. our job is to point out what we feel is
their immorality. our job is _not_ to spray paint their cars, or break glass,
or throw cutlery. now, if the diner owners were involved in this, or if the
diner itself has a policy of not serving gay customers. then this is what i
would do. go to the diner, and start asking for names. approach the waitress,
and calmly, politely ask her, "can i have your name please?" even if she's
wearing a name tag. there's something really intimidating for a bigot to have
to give out her name to the person she's being hateful to. get the name of the
diner owner, manager, whatever too if you can. get the _facts_ of the
situation. exactly what happened, and who said/did what and then call the
local paper. you gotta be careful here, because you don't want to open
yourself to a slander suit, but if the diner refused to serve an individual
because of their personal preferences, then at the least i'd say the
restaurant review section of the paper will be interested in telling the
public, "hey, this place won't serve you if they don't like who you are."
again, stick strictly to the facts.

scenario 2: if the incident was mainly a result of the _waitress's_ bigotry,
then your reaction should specifically target _her_. i figure this is the more
likely of the two scenarios. restaurants aren't generally in the business of
turning away customers, but individual waitress's may be. if this was the
case, again keep in mind that a)she'll probably never even notice that you
aren't patronizing her diner, and b) even if she does notice she'll be happy
about that. so if i were you, here's what i'd do. i'd return to the place
(with the same friend if possible), and i'd have dinner there. ask
specifically to be waited on by _that_ waitress. order your food. when you get
it, send it back (too hot, too cold, too salty, want to change your order,
whatever.) make this woman work. send your silverware back for exchange,
saying it's dirty. spill a drink, and have her clean it up. stop her and ask
for something every time she passes your table. after your dinner. order
coffee and sit there talking for as long as you possibly can. make it an hour
or two beyond the time it takes you to eat. (waitresses hate that because they
can't use the table for other customers who will tip them). oh, which reminds
me, you should choose the busiest possible time to do this. don't do anything
wrong, just be the most difficult customers you can possibly be. if she
refuses to wait on you, call the manager and start making demands. be very
assertive. ("if i don't start getting some service over here, i won't be
paying for this meal. this is an outrage.") but again, there's no need to
start yelling or throwing cutlery. finally, after having made yourself
absolutely as difficult as possible, i would approach the waitress, and
(again) very pointedly ask for her name. i would then pay the bill and leave
_zero_ tip (obviously) _and_ leave either a verbal or a written message
explaining exactly why you didn't leave a tip. and after all this, i'd do it
again on another night _and_ if there are any other list members or other
friends in your area i'd have them do the same thing. (which reminds me, where
is this place?) _that's_ what i'd do, and i think that would do a pretty good
job of getting someone's attention.


ok, now on to the incident with the guys on the train. now, i assume that
since you were the one riding the train you probably know more about safety in
cities than i do, but my reaction to this was that you could have been in a
hell of a lot of danger if it weren't for the other passengers. what would you
have done if the train had emptied out after you spoke to these guys.
obviously what you said only provoked them further. this could have been
really dangerous. obviously the first step is to try to ignore them, which
didn't work in your case. seems like the next thing to do would have been to
confront them and threaten them with some sort of retaliation, like the
_police_. and again, it seems like asking for names would be a good idea. if
you asked for their names, their first response (being the boneheaded idiots
that they were) would have been to give you their names (because they'd think
they were getting somewhere with you :) armed with their names, you are now
prepared to go to an official on the train, the police, or even a lawyer to
file a sexual harassment suit, and telling them that might get them to shut
up. but again, i would _not_ do this if the train was relatively empty. safety
is your first priority, and keep in mind that people like these are not
innocent little boys. they are dangerous predators, and they think you're
bambi.

finally (yes, i'll get off my soapbox in a moment), yes i do think that
comment you made about choosing between the guys and a woman could be taken as
offensive, but i also know that your heart is in the right place, and that you
didn't mean anything by it. it's just a matter of how you viewed the
situation.

this has been "anti-homophobia 101" taught by dr. lorindigo. if you have
problems, comments, things to add, things to subtract, or just general
flames...go for it. ;)

folkisgruven,
lorindigo

driving...


lorinda wright            "...and we walk in the world of safe people
lw01@lehigh.edu            and at night we walk into our houses and burn."
lehigh university                                - dar williams
bethlehem, pa

                  i will not be complacent

"jump, jangle, jiggle and rock. fly through the sky. sail across the top.
spin out, give out, give in. you're alive!"  -melissa ferrick

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subject:      i will not be complacent (continued)

well, no one out there seems to have the i will not be complacent boot.  in
fact, no
one even seems to know what boot the soc was from.  so... if anyone has _any_
information, it would be greatly appreciated.
lessee...what could i offer in return?  boots?  my first-born horse?  a
meeting with
emily and amy (just kidding!) ?  =)
thanks, y'all!  you're great...

peace, love, and reincarnated scientists, (it was amy...<ducking>)
ponygirl (carrie)

"with everything it's opposite enough to keep you cryin'..." es
"...i think we were on the same boat back in 1694..." ar

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reply-to:     deb odonoghue <doobie@student.umass.edu>
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subject:      re: i will not be complacent (continued)
in-reply-to:  <960618131743_558799899@emout12.mail.aol.com> from
              <"indigopony@aol.com"@jun>

i seem to remember at one of the 3 ig shows i road tripped through last
april, i recall amy doing the i will not be complacent bit.  i saw them
in burlington, vt, providence, ri at brown u, and at the palace in new
haven, ct all within a week of each other.  i'm almost 100% sure it is
not on the new haven boot, but could have been from the vt or ri shows,
but i don't know if a boot of those exist.  i did boot the vt show on a
microcassette recorder, but dont know how to get it so it will tape onto
a full size cassette tape without sounding like crap.  any suggestions
i hope that helps out, if i find out any more info i will post again

-deb

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subject:      re: nigc: a personal incident

actually, i thought that throwing cutlery was quite appropriate... j/k.  no
violence here!  dr. lorindigo gave _very_ good advice, imho <applause>.  i
just hope (ack... who wrote the original post?  cynthia?) didn't leave a tip
for that _______ <------(insert
your own adjectives here) waitress after the incident.  keep us posted
(sorry...=) about what happens with the restaurant...
oh!  and one more thing-- a great big "shame on you" to that _______ waitress
and _________ guys on the train.
peace, love, and a flame-free list,
ponygirl

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     hi,

     i'm not quite sure who i'm writing to or who will be reading this, but
     i thought i'd write anyway.  who is this?

     holly

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subject:      re: nigc: a personal incident

at 03:52 pm 6/17/96 est, cynthia wrote:
>friday's train was packed!!!! (so much for nj transit's claim that their new
>lines would reduce volume on my line!)  there was standing room only and i got
>sandwiched into a closet-like space with two young men.  since the train ride
>was bumpy, i didn't think much of the ocassional contact between myself and
the two young men, until they started to make lewd sexual comments.  i tried to
>ignore them, but they kept at it.
ummm... here's kim's take on this incident:
in a situation like this, as angry and impotent as it makes you feel, the
best and safest thing to do is to just ignore the comments and ( although i
realize this was very difficult for you at the time, because the train was
so crowded ) do your best to put space between yourself and the offensive
individuals. ( as with an obscene phone caller... you simply hang up... the
perpetrator is looking for a response and if he gets none, his game is
spoiled ). do not look like you are afraid... look like you are aware of
yourself + your surroundings... ie: you are not a *victem*... give them
*nothing* to react to. don't speak to them, any kind of response from you
will only serve to fuel their "fun"... move away as much as your
surroundings allow. if the offendor follows you, turn + make eye contact +
very loudly, so as to draw the attention of bystanders to yourself + the
offendor, say "excuse me, but why are you following me?". say it in an angry
+ confrontational tone. make a scene, but do not lose your one up of
aggression on the offender. stay cool + calm, and get away from the
offendor... just get away. this does not work with the dangerous "psychotic
types" but it's the best bet for safety with your "average" sexual
offendor... the last thing he wants is to have attention drawn to *him*,
because then his anonimity and power is reduced.
the whole issue of "the right thing to say" here just shouldn't exist. your
sexuality and your response, whether it was homo-phobic or not isn't in
question. those two men were behaving in a sexually harrassing way... they
are the only ones who should be worried about whether or not they did or
said the "right" thing, because the implications of their behaviour go way
beyond "average bounds"... they are criminal.
as for the other situation, with the sunset diner, i think that lorinda's
suggestions are "right on the money", so i'll say "yeah... what she said" :-)
<kim steps off her soap box, picks it up + tucks it under her arm>... peace
all:-)
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from:         anna bolton <sugarma538@aol.com>
subject:      no jazz fest boots

hi everyone,

                  i was wondering if anyone has (or is getting) a bootleg of
the 5/2 or 5/4 concerts during the new orleans jazz fest.  the one on 5/4 was
my first ig concert, so i really want a boot of it.  just email me at:
sugarma538@aol.com if you have one or know of one and you are willing to
trade boots or just copy it for me.

                                                                         take
care- anna

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subject:      boots???

     i would like to know if there is a system here of trading bootegged
               ig recordings.  i currently don't have any, but, do have
               some excellent grateful dead (dh soundboards) tapes--if
               anyone is interested in trading...

     if interested, drop me a note, and i'll let you know what i have,
               and you can let me know what you have...


                 "...give me hope, hope -- that emptiness brings fullness
                     and loss of love brings wholeness to us all..."


                                                    paul (nomad) sgroi

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subject:      re: nigc: a personal incident

i agree with everything lorindigo said about the diner except the part about
needing to stay legal in order to maintain the moral high ground.  there is
nothing intrinsicly moral about the law.  after all, everything hitler did
was legal in germany.  does that make it moral?

another strategy used in the south in the late sixties was a sit in.  when
restaurants were known for not serving black customers.  people would meet
at the restaurant in mass and basicly sit in all their booths and tables
until the restaurant changed its policies.

this might be hard to get together, but it can be real affective.  you need
recruit as many people from gay and lesbian friendly organizations as possible
and set-up a time and day to meet at the restaurant, preferably at when they
open.  then when they seat you, you just order coffee and sit and talk.  you
have this whole line of people outside waiting to be seated so it discourages
regular customers from trying get a seat.  after an hour or two you can always
get up, pay for the coffee and go get back in the end of the line.  and another
couple of people come and take your booth and order coffee.  thus taking up
every single table they have in the establishment.  if you get really
organized you can even set it up to where people come by in shifts, if they can
stay the whole day.

this type of thing is also more likely to draw adverse media attention to the
establishment.  so that the people who disagree with their policy won't go
there.  also people who agree with the policy won't go there because they
won't want to be hassled by all the gays.

you may be able to recruit people off of other mailing list like the me
mailing list.  and you can also so try the chat rooms.  this probably would
never come off because of the logistics involved, but it would be really neat.
there may also be organizations already in place that are set-up for organizing
this type of thing.

to be honest, if i were in your place i would probably just blow it off.
these people are so petty and small that they're rarely worth the ware and
tear on your psyche. but, if you do follow through and do something, it
will be something you will be proud of the rest of your life.

good luck,

trant

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date:         tue, 18 jun 1996 16:26:44 -0400
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subject:      bootography?

does anyone have a complete list of all of the import cd boots.  i have
been off the list for a while and apparently some new ones have came out.
does anyone keep an organized  list of all the ig boot cds?  another list i
am on has an unofficial bootography, which lists all known boot cds and
ratings on a scale of one to six.

thanks for any help.
derek

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subject:      chickenman soc
x-to:         deb odonoghue <doobie@student.umass.edu>
in-reply-to:  <199606181742.naa13948@wilde.oit.umass.edu>

hey, whoever is collecting the chickenman boots is doing something really
wonderful.  i have a suggestion.  how about also getting the touch me
fall soc's as well, and making a compilation tape of the two songs.  i
know that there is a tmf soc on the madison, wisconsin show in may/95.  i
don't have it, but i was there, so i know, and i also know that it is
available as a bootleg somewhere.  ok, just sharing.

wendell

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subject:      fw: nigc: a personal incident

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subject:        re: nigc: a personal incident

<snip>
>another strategy used in the south in the late sixties was a sit in.  =
when
>restaurants were known for not serving black customers.  people would =
meet
>at the restaurant in mass and basicly sit in all their booths and =
tables
>until the restaurant changed its policies.

>this might be hard to get together, but it can be real affective.  you =
need
>recruit as many people from gay and lesbian friendly organizations as =
>possible
>and set-up a time and day to meet at the restaurant, preferably at when =
they
>open.  then when they seat you, you just order coffee and sit and talk. =
you
>have this whole line of people outside waiting to be seated so it =
discourages
>regular customers from trying get a seat.  after an hour or two you can =
always
>get up, pay for the coffee and go get back in the end of the line.  and =
another
>couple of people come and take your booth and order coffee.  thus =
taking up
>every single table they have in the establishment.  if you get really
>organized you can even set it up to where people come by in shifts, if =
they >can stay the whole day.

i had an idea along the same lines. gather together as many gay/lesbian =
supporters as possible and have a gay pride dinner at the diner! try to =
take up the whole diner. everyone have a good diner and a great time.=20

my thinking on this is that most people who are homophobic (or any form =
of prejudice for that matter) became so from ignorance, lack of =
exposure, and propaganda from some conservative and radical religious =
right sources. if you go back and expose the staff and customers at the =
diner to a large crowd of gay pride supporters, maybe, just maybe y'all =
can plant a small seed of knowledge in their minds. perhaps you can show =
them that people who happen to be lesbian or gay are not the "evil" =
people some radical religious right conservative rush limbaugh fans =
would like everyone to believe. some of the folks at the diner might =
come away realizing that people who are gay or lesbian like to eat =
dinner, laugh, joke, talk and enjoy themselves just like "straight" =
people do.

just a thought.

peace y'all

dan

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subject:      the ep and more

could someone who has the ep and more please send me the info on it.  i am
unfortunately on the waiting list at rdr and was trying to get a local shop
to get it for me.  i am curious who the maker is, and the disk numbers
would be great too.  the local shop has had no luck locating it by title.

thanks,
derek

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from:         "rahadyan timoteo (tim) sastrowardoyo" <tisast@nytimes.com>
subject:      re: nigc utah / related topics / a recommended book

i've only skimmed so far through the digests of the past few days, but
the stuff re: nigc utah has caught my eye because it touches on matters
that i've been thinking about and studying lately, and that is how to
resolve being bi with adaptations (or re-interpretations) of
traditional spirituality.

right now i'm reading gary david comstock's _unrepentant,
self-affirming, practicing: lesbian/bisexual/gay people within
organized religion_. if anyone is interested in ordering it for
themselves, the isbn is 0-8264-0881-8. the publisher is continuum
publishing in new york city.

best regards,
rahadyan

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subject:      re: nigc a personal incident
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professor lorindigo (phd.) said lots but ended with:
>this has been "anti-homophobia 101" taught by dr. lorindigo.

<standing on chair, fist in air>  "whoooo hooo!!!!  a-men!"

        i might hasten respectfully to add that perhaps maybe it would  not hurt to write a letter to the owners (if this was mainly an action by said waitress) to the local "letters to the editor" (if it was an owner problem, and maybe even if a waitress problem but not discouraged by owners), and to the local restaurant assoc.

tracy <wondering how i get a copy of this class textbook and syllabus....>

ps do you offer this class by correspondance a/o online???  :-)

~~~^~^~^^~~~^~^~^^~^^~~~^~^~^(homesick for mtns)
   i may believe something passionately,
>*               that does not make me right.
>*      i may disagree with you fervently
>*      that does not make you wrong.
>        keep talking.  the vital lessons are those that force me
>       to change my mind.

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subject:      1996 orders in list #2
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              poohgrl816@aol.com, aneeza@cse.fau.edu

here is the 2nd list of orders recieved.  this is through today, the 18th of
june!
thanks everyone!

amy mednick 1 xxl
jeni saulino 1 xl
laura rice 1 xl
steven reynolds 1 xl
kirsten chevalier 1 xl
greg flamer 1 xl
lisa savu 1 xl
gwen drueger 1 l
randy rohrer 2 xxl
brian harvey 1 xl
camille kearl 2 xxl 1xl
connie tsuchiya 1 l
joan ferguson 1 xl
kristina - 1 xxl
derek moulaison 1 xl
diane krause 1 xl
that is it so far!  please hurry!  get your orders in!  the absolute deadline
is the 9th of july!
thanks everyone for your support!
take care
rob
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subject:      indigo girls and the olympics

i have been tossing around the idea of venturing into the mass chaos
commonly known as the centennial olympics for a while now.  does anyone
know if emily and/or amy is planning to play during those 2 weeks?  i've
never seen them live, and would brave the crowds and traffic if i knew they
were playing.

please post if anything official has been scheduled.

thanks,
holly

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> the local shop has had no luck locating it by title.
        y'all.. this is *not* a release put out by anybody except for
someone with a big heart who wants to share some early indigo girls with
people.. you will not be able to find it anywhere *but* rainy day records..
its completley independent..

take care

"...you and i are so savage, with a gift for damage; you and i go breaking
bones,
wrecking all the happy homes..." -viva la diva

"...i have danced in women's arms... my sweetest kiss-woman warm..."-radar rose

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              robca@connectnet.com, trekkies@ix.netcom.com

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i must apologise for the mistake. i took it for truth, and thought i
would help by sending you the address. sorry!

chris payne owen4@adnc.com

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just an update on this wish thing...i passed it along to another list and
got several posts back that it is a scam.  the kid  got his record and a
big time rich person paid for his surgery.  he is still alive.  it is from
the eighties.  he is actually from england.  i hear that his family, him
and guiness have been asking people for years to stop sending cards.  just
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subject:      atlanta pride (directions, location, date, times,etc.)

hi everyone,
                    i know this has been posted several times, but all the
mail i had saved was erased accidentally.  so...is there anyone who can post
the location and the date and time the girls will be playing?  i would really
appreciate any input.

                                                 thanks, and take care- anna

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subject:      walkaway@uptown

does anybody know why it is that in the live at the uptown lounge video, amy
and emily introduced walkaway and then proceded to perform get together. was
walkaway edited out? if so, why? i can't imagine that editors could've
missed this if it wasn't done on purpose. any thoughts?

                   -abigail

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tangho@morgan.com wrote:
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>      hi,
>
>      i'm not quite sure who i'm writing to or who will be reading this, but
>      i thought i'd write anyway.  who is this?
>
>      holly

this is everyone. that is to say that everyone on the ig mailing list
got your message. my name is chris, and welcome!!!

chris payne owen4@adnc.com

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subject:      nff fan tour update 6/14/96
to: multiple recipients of list indigo-girls <indigo-girls@netspace.org>

i have been able to get an extension on my group reservation at the best
western in newport.  the new due date is july 5, 1996.  if you are interested
in getting a room or a space in a room, i need to receive your money by then.

cost:

friday/saturday - $160 per room/$40 per person per night

sunday          - $120 per room/$40 per person per night

send money to:

bertin lefkovic
13 besler avenue
cranford, nj  07016
(908)418-7115

call or e-mail me if you need any additional information


there are no strangers here - only friends you haven't met yet

let it grow

bert

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hi!  yes, it's time for a good old family summer trip and we're going to be
around charlotte, nc and headed to atlanta around 7/12-15.  if any of you
who are lucky enough to live in this area know of anything "interesting"
going on, i'd love to hear from you regarding concerts (eddie's etc.) or
any "must-see" places.  thanks in advance!
-sarah

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help a dying child: craig shirgold is a 7 year old boy who lives in keen,
new hampshire. he is dying from an inoperable brain tumor. he made a wish to
children's wish foundation, that he wants one million get well cards sent to
him by august 15th so he can make the world book of records before he dies.
cards can be made or bought. please send the cards to the following address:
craig shirgold, c/o children's wish foundation, 32 perimeter center east,
atlanta, georgia, 30346. please pass this on to churches, schools, girl
scouts, boy scouts, organizations, etc.. and make a little boy's wish come
true. remember: no one stands as tall as when they stoop to help another.

if anyone knows how to send this to other lists...please do.

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i agree with everything said thus far...but i had a thought, and i hope
when i say this that everyone understands it is not a criticism or a
flame.  i was just thinking that perhaps what they were objecting to was
the public display of affection more than the same-sex issue.  it sounds
like it was a little of both.  i know i would be offended by any couple
making out while i was trying to eat, het or not.  i'm not saying that
that was what was happening--it sounds like it was all quite mild, and i
agree that the diner was in the wrong.  but a little caution--before you
get your panties in a bunch the next time something like this happens,
make sure you know what they are objecting to.

have i just dug my own grave?  :)
--gwen

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subject:      goofy lyrics, guitar chords, & nanci griffith show

hi all!!!

will the rain ever stop here in mi?????????

ok, now that i got that off my chest, i have another not-so-
important question to post to the list.  i am having a hard time
decyphering what some of the lyrics are to "never stop".

here we go ....here's the line thats buggin' me:
late in the bridge:
"...put your focus on me and i'll forgive and forget
throw away your   *[????hidden neglige man????]*"

now i know that's not what they say, but i've gotten that
"hidden neglige man" part stuck in my head- so please -
someone write soon- and save me from my over active
imagination!!!!  =>)

also - anyone who knows the chords to lifeblood, or
cold as ice- i would absolutely love to learn those songs.
please email me!!!

and - finally, i heard promotions on the radio today for
nanci griffith / chieftans show coming mid-july (july 18th or
19th i think) to meadowbrook theater in the metro detroit area
- so just thought i would pass along the info for anyone interested.
i can look up the # for the theater or ticketmaster if anyone wants
to get tickets.  again - just email me- i'll be glad to help if i can.

thanks-
dana

"life is a long road with one destination,
and love is a good pair of comfortable shoes."  m. mallone


p.s.  my bar review lecturer today teaches at emory law school.
( his last name is freer.) and of course i was distracted the whole
morning, knowing he lives in atlanta close to all those great
ig/ mm shows...plus he said july- "ju -ly"- just like amy in live at
the uptown.  ooohhhh, i just love to hear native atlantans say
"ju -ly"  !!!!  happy day!!!

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subject:      re: [fwd: help a dying child]

please do not pay any attention to this. i am sorry to say that it
turned out to be a hoax. i apologize, as the wool was pulled over my
eyes as well.....

christopher d. payne wrote:
>
> rknight@erols.com wrote:
>
> help a dying child: craig shirgold is a 7 year old boy who lives in keen,
> new hampshire. he is dying from an inoperable brain tumor. he made a wish to
> children's wish foundation, that he wants one million get well cards sent to
> him by august 15th so he can make the world book of records before he dies.
> cards can be made or bought. please send the cards to the following address:
> craig shirgold, c/o children's wish foundation, 32 perimeter center east,
> atlanta, georgia, 30346. please pass this on to churches, schools, girl
> scouts, boy scouts, organizations, etc.. and make a little boy's wish come
> true. remember: no one stands as tall as when they stoop to help another.
>
> if anyone knows how to send this to other lists...please do.
>
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date:         tue, 18 jun 1996 23:44:36 -0400
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from:         "<benjamin slavin>" <joansl@aol.com>
subject:      i'm leavin'

unfortuantely our computer has broken and we must bring it into the shop to
get fixed. this means that there is even less to do out here in our countries
uncivilized heartland. the only place i know of where my closest neighbor is
a goddamn tree.
anyway, if someone needs to mail me or just tell me that they love me mail me
before friday. otherwise i'll see ya'll in late late august. back again in
the thiving community of college students where i belong. i vow to you i will
never come home for more than three days again.
love, ben

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date:         wed, 19 jun 1996 00:23:34 +0000
reply-to:     dave jackson <jacksond@uoguelph.ca>
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subject:      re: song of the week... pot????

hi everyone!  :)

>anyone else care to add???

yes, yes!  i've been *waiting* for this song to be discussed!  for
goodness sakes, why is it the fifth song on the album -- it took so
long!  <grin>

ah, well....for the suspense, i guess.  :)

actually, this isn't much of an interpretation; instead, it's more of
a "connection".  each year, i go to a summer camp (it is so
awesome -- not that i'm biased or anything!  <grin>) and, as all of
you realize, what is a camp without campfires and singalongs?

at every campfire, each cabin has to come up with an
activity/skit/song to teach the rest of the camp.  two years ago, a
bunch of us decided to learn "power of two."  granted, the group of
us had *listened* to it before, but we had never attempted *singing*
it.  we were trying to think of a song to accurately sum up camp,
friendship and love --> lo and behold... :)

we wrote the lyrics out on paper and photocopied them, while our camp
director figured out the guitar chords so she could accompany us and
our bee-you-tee-full singing.  <grin>

it went so well!  everyone had so much fun and "power of two" has
become one of our 'theme songs'.  yea!!

so whenever i hear this song, i think of summer camp and i become
nostalgic.  i love it.

sincerely,
lisa j.  :)
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"a girl's gotta eat!"
                    -sarah jessica parker
sarah mclachlan melissa etheridge indigo girls
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subject:      ghost on "1200 curfews"

mike r. wrote:

i have that red rocks show on tape (the ghost
> is the one from 1200 curfews!)

this comment has led me to ask about something that i've noticed the
last couple of times i've played ghost on "1200 curfews".

during the guitar introduction, emily suddenly stops, chuckles, and
then starts again.  does anyone know why?  the guitar sounded all
right and i couldn't make out any remark from the audience that would
make her laugh.

any ideas?

sincerely,
a puzzled lisa j. :)
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                    -sarah jessica parker
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subject:      sotw-- po2 (strange)

hi,
     i just wanted to throw out & see if anyone has felt a sort of kinship
between po2 & kristin hall's song out in the country?? this seems batty
maybe-- but when i first heard po2 i had to dig through all my cds & play a
bunch of songs because i felt like someone had handed me a piece from the
game 'memory' & that the matching piece was on another cd somewhere. i don't
know why-- can anyone else relate? has this happened to anyone else with
other songs? am i crazy?
     on a saner note-- i love the one is silver & the other gold line-- it
takes me instantly back to singing in a musty church basement in my ugly mud
colored brownie uniform holding hands with my best friend.
     take care everyone,
     alexandra

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date:         wed, 19 jun 1996 15:15:43 +0011
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subject:      re: sotw-- po2 (strange)

alexandra
is out in the country on fact and fiction (which i have on order on a
very slow snail downunder)
sue
> hi,
>      i just wanted to throw out & see if anyone has felt a sort of kinship
> between po2 & kristin hall's song out in the country?? this seems batty
> maybe-- but when i first heard po2 i had to dig through all my cds & play a
> bunch of songs because i felt like someone had handed me a piece from the
> game 'memory' & that the matching piece was on another cd somewhere. i don't
> know why-- can anyone else relate? has this happened to anyone else with
> other songs? am i crazy?
>
susan jackel <jackels@wizza.agvic.gov.au>

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date:         wed, 19 jun 1996 00:06:25 -0500
reply-to:     shelley dianne shay <shelley@jove.acs.unt.edu>
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subject:      re: [fwd: help a dying child] a rumor gone rampant
in-reply-to:  <31c6d277.2584@adnc.com>

this 'story' of a dying child wanting to break the guiness book of world
records is about 10 years old.  this has been covered on several news
magazines such as 20/20 and dateline nbc.  not only did this boy get a
million cards, he got several billion cards.  he and his family have
publicly requested that people stop sending cards.  volunteers for the
make a wish foundation go through each card to check for monetary
donations, of which there are about 1 per 20 or so cards.  they are
paying several thousands of dollars a year to simply store all of the
cards they have yet to go through, plus the continual stream of new cards.

the good news is, the boy who was dying, is now cured, and is relatively
healthy.  they don't want any more cards.  how do i know that the boy
mentioned in the below included message:

> help a dying child: craig shirgold is a 7 year old boy who lives in keen,

is the same kid?  everytime i hear this story on the internet (and i've
only been on the internet 1.5 yrs... and have heard this story repeated
about a dozen times...), the boy's name and age are different, the only
constant is his gender... the people from the guiness book of world
records have closed any and all future entries for people wanting the
most get-well cards... which means not only for dying little boys, but
for retired nuns, veterans, puppies, etc... they have given the record to
whatever that kid's name really is (i can't remember) and said that it
will never be broken... because at this point, the cards are literally
inumerable.

the bottom line:  if you want to help a dying child, donate your time
and/or your money to an organization dedicated to helping children...
sending a get-well card to this kid will not help anyone.

if you hear anyone else talking about this, please pass on the above info
to them... if anyone doubts the info i've posted here, please don't
hesitate to contact the folks at guiness or make-a-wish foundation.

keeping you in the know,
-shelley
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subject:      (nigc) patty larkin!

any other patty larkin fans out there? i'm still on a giddyness spree after
having met her after a show of hers yesterday!!! it's pouring rain out here
in wisconsin so hardly any people showed up for her outdoor (and free!)
concert yesterday afternoon. but the die-hard fans persevered and it was
actually a very nice sized crowd once she got going. anyway, after the show,
she came down to talk with the fans, sign autographs, etc. my friend and i
had a nice conversation with patty, in fact one of the first things she said
to me was "cool shirt," and it was a very cool shirt indeed (my rop tee with
a & e on the front.) ooh! i just knew there was at least some minimal igc in
this post! so, moral of this story is, patty larkin rocks! those of you who
haven't heard her music should give it a listen, i think you'll love it.

                               :) abigail

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from:         greg matthew flamer <gflame@nwu.edu>
subject:      that blank subject message

>tangho@morgan.com wrote:
>>
>>      hi,
>>
>>      i'm not quite sure who i'm writing to or who will be reading this, but
>>      i thought i'd write anyway.  who is this?
>>
>>      holly

well, holly, my dear--you picked a fine day to be all whimsical and just
"write anyway".  this must be your lucky day.  you are the one millionth
poster to the "list of sorry egghead readers" (notice the mnemonic for our
fine list is loser!).  yes it's the list for losers and you are the
millionth poster.  congratulations and welcome.  you must now be considered
the number one loser i guess.  :)   feel priveleged.  now for your prize--a
large flame.  enjoy!

where do these people come from who post such messages?  just wondering...

greg, who may be the biggest loser of them all for actually taking the time
to think of words to fit in for the loser bit.  i think it's bedtime.


!@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*!*
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* 1411 w. sherwin ave # 1n     mfm520@lulu.acns.nwu.edu  $
& chicago, il  60626           gflame@nwu.edu            *
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subject:      re: sotw-- po2 (strange)

at 12:11 am 6/19/96 -0400, alexandra wrote:
>     i just wanted to throw out & see if anyone has felt a sort of kinship
>between po2 & kristin hall's song out in the country?? this seems batty
>maybe-- but when i first heard po2 i had to dig through all my cds & play a
>bunch of songs because i felt like someone had handed me a piece from the
>game 'memory' & that the matching piece was on another cd somewhere. i don't
>know why-- can anyone else relate? has this happened to anyone else with
>other songs? am i crazy?
uh.... could be :-) consider the company you're in... *i* did the very same
thing with prince's "purple rain" and jennifer warren's (sp?... it's been a
while ) "famous blue rain coat" :-)... okay... it's a joke<g> but, hey,
alexandra, i know exactly where you're coming from... i *have* done the same
sort of thing in the past... just can't remember a "for instance" :-)
peace all...kim.
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subject:      re: sotw-- po2 (strange)

hi all,

>uh.... could be :-) consider the company you're in... *i* did the very same
>thing with prince's "purple rain" and jennifer warren's (sp?... it's been a
>while ) "famous blue rain coat" :-)... okay... it's a joke<g> but, hey,

sorry, have to jump in and be anal and correct the above.. it's actually
jennifer warnes.  "famous blue raincoat" is a cover of a leonard
cohen song, and can be found on jennifer's album of cohen covers,
which also bears the name 'famous blue raincoat'.  one of my
favourite albums of all time, actually.

oh, btw, about the fan survey - it will be back online after i come back
from the us, so look for it (and me) in about 3 months' time.

-sherlyn
(it's an odd thing to realise you qualify as a lurker)
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i still got this hunger in my bones...
i feel like an all-night drive all the way to the other side,
there's a place i used to call my own..."   - shawn mullins, "lately"
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= [please note: i will be away from 10/7/96 until 1/9/96.]

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subject:      re: jennifer warnes:-)

at 06:43 pm 6/19/96 +1000, sherlyn wrote:
>>jennifer warren's (sp?... it's been a
>>while ) "famous blue rain coat" :-)... okay... it's a joke<g> but, hey,
>sorry, have to jump in and be anal and correct the above.. it's actually
>jennifer warnes.
yuh huh... cool... i knew i had it wrong somehow :-) ... havn't heard the
thang for over nine years now... been thinking on it lately i guess which is
why it came to mind :-) thanks for being so "anal", sherlyn :-)
>oh, btw, about the fan survey - it will be back online after i come back
>from the us, so look for it (and me) in about 3 months' time.
very cool news, this.... i know i'm not the only "listee" who is looking
forward to yer survey + will happily welcome you, and it, "back" from lurkdom.
peace all... kim ( who is up at an unusual ( for her ) 2:30 am, getting
tired of the tragedy in her life... sometimes even humour loses its healing
capabilities )
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subject:      1990:  living life one day at a time

october 1990
the rocket

"the indigo girls:  living life one day at a time"

by charles r. cross

ancient zen wisdom says:  "in buddhism we study the self.   to study the
self is to forget the self.  to forget the self is to  be enlightened by all
things."  the indigo girls' "closer to  fine," one of the most zen songs of
1988, says this:  "the less  i seek my source for some definitive, the
closer i am to fine."

not too terribly long ago a few events in my life took one of  those
surprising twists of fate and suddenly everything that  looked rosy went to
shit.  so, like every other red- blooded  american, i ran to the first
bookstore and loaded up on self-help books to read stuff like zen sayings.
i bought about ten titles  (it came to over $80) and was embarrassed to run
into someone  who i work with ("eh, these are for a friend").  like everyone
else who has ever gone through a period of transition, i read  about half of
two books and got so depressed i eventually started  living my life again.
i thought about returning the unread books  and trying to explain to the
store that i had thought i was a lot more fucked up than i really was but
i'm not sure they would  have understood.

i could have saved about $70 and probably gotten to the same  place in my
recovery if i had just picked up the new indigo girls  cd and absorbed
myself in their ethereal harmonies, their  inspiring lyrics and their
sinuous voices.  unlike most of rock  'n' roll, this truly is music about
spiritual growth.  i don't mean  that in the same cornball way that most of
the new agey books  i was reading attempted to be spiritual, since the
indigos never  preach to you about anything.  this album is about
celebrating life and the joy and passion in their voices offer more
inspiration than a bookstore of self-help titles.

"we wanted to do a thematic album, but we didn't want to try to  force it,"
says amy ray, one half of the indigo girls, talking on  the phone from
georgia about their new record, "nomads indians  saints."  "in the end
though, we just wrote the songs and they turned out that way.  what's even
weirder is that some of these  tunes i wrote a couple of years ago but it
just ended up they were  about the same stuff.  we ended up picking songs
that were about  the same sort of things, about journeys and spiritual
growth.  we didn't think of it at first, though, as being oriented to these
sort  of bigger issues.

"it was a very good experience for us to make this record,  emotionally and
spiritually," she continues.  "we think the  songwriting is a little better
and we're proud of it but that's not  really the thing -- for some reason
this is a magical record."

magic might describe the stellar success of the indigo girls,  who, in just
a couple of short years, have become one of the  most acclaimed new groups
on music.  their self-titled 1988   epic debut, featuring the mtv hit
"closer to fine," became one  of the best selling debuts of the decade,
gathering critical acclaim  on the way.  the record sold so well the label
eventually  rereleased the indigo's strange fire lp, previously available
only  on an indie label.  the girls found themselves quickly moving  from
opening act status to packing theaters as a top draw.

their success does not appear all that strange until you  consider that this
band consists of two women playing  acoustic guitars and singing, not unlike
the sort of offspring  you'd expect if the everly brothers married the
judds.  most of  the group's material is acoustic and the strength of their
voices  dominates all the arrangements.  and unlike milli vanilli, this  is
a duo that has refused to compromise their act to satisfy the  whims of the
marketplace.  ray and cohort emily saliers, both  26, have been playing
together for almost a decade and have  made few changes to the act they
started in decatur, georgia.  and they've managed to keep true to their
sound without  letting the process of the major label system corrupt them.

"we trusted each other," ray says of the band's relationship  with their
label.  "no one from the label said 'do this' or 'do that'  and we sure
weren't thinking of making a hit.  there are a  couple of songs on the new
album that are a little bit more produced than the last record but that's
because the songs lent  themselves to it.  we were excited about having the
chance to do that without taking away from the song."

the new record is loaded with anthemic tunes; the first single,  "hammer and
a ail," is bound for glory.  the song sounds like  a peter, paul and mary
tune from the '60s, complete with lyrics  that speak of the power to change
the world.  "it's a positive  song," ray says, "about something that i think
is real important. it's about people who think about stuff rather than doing
something about it.  you can make a difference in the world and  through
physical action each person can change things.  but  you've got to get up
and get out there and put your hands to  work."

the indigos put themselves in action when it came to issuing  the new album
to the public.  the group told their label that  they would release the
record only if they could have it  produced with recycled lp covers, cd
boxes and tape inserts. "then they told us the only thing we could have
recycled was  the cd box," ray says.  "so we decided we weren't going to put
it out then.  and they tried and tried and eventually got the lp  on
recycled paper too.  they went to such an effort that we  decided to put the
record out even though the cd booklet and  the cassette cover are not
recycled."  ray suggests you buy the  lp version or the cd over the cassette.

ray is working on several levels to switch the world over to a  more
progressive viewpoint, both with politics and music.  to  that end she's
started her own label (daemon records) which  will be distributed by rough
trade.  the first release just out  is from an atlanta band called the ellen
james society, who  guest on one song on the new indigos record.  "they are
one  of my main inspirations," ray says.  "they're a cross between  the who
and jane's addiction.  they're very passionate and  incredible musicians."

ray says she wants her label to provide a place for alternative  bands who
can't get a contract with a major.  "i don't consider  having a major label
deal the most important thing in life.  i  consider putting a record
together important but if you don't  have the money to do it and no one else
will put it out, you've  got a problem.  lots of great bands end up working
day jobs  and trying to put the money together for their own record.  and
that's what i'm for and what my label functions as:  a way for  groups who
are concerned with songwriting to get their stuff  released.  i'm interested
in people who perform in a more  gutteral fashion.

"next year i'm going to record a guy named gerald mchugh,"  she continues.
"emily and i are just crazy about his stuff.   he writes three songs a week.
he's so prolific but he's never  had the focus.  after him i'm going to do
something completely different."

ray also professes to be a fan of seattle's sub pop label.  "sub  pop is a
great label," she said.  "the way the label is run, the  whole idea of the
label and the way it operates, really appeals  to me.  it's cool."

and though the indigos' sound does get them airplay on soft  rock stations,
her musician influences might surprise some of  her fans.  she cites the
scorpions as a band she really likes  and notes that sonic youth's new
record is "really great. i  think they're amazing."

but it doesn't surprise ray that many people still don't  understand the
indigo girls.  at least this year, she notes, most  reporters aren't asking
if they represent a new wave in folk  music.  "people aren't asking us about
the singer/songwriter  and women's music issues as much.  the media aren't
paying  that much attention to it anymore.   it's not because they
understand it or anything.  it's just no longer the hot topic."

ray may not have much more explaining to do considering  the indigos'
current success and the press the group is getting. "our success has
surprised us," she adds humbly.  "everything  that has happened to us has
surprised us.  we haven't had too many downfalls and when things happened
that weren't the  most positive experiences, we've learned from them and
turned  them into positive experiences.  i never look at my life and say,
'where am i going to be ten years from now?' and see myself  doing
interviews about my career.  neither emily or i ever  thought in those
terms.  we just took things one day at a time  and around every corner we
were surprised.  it was like, 'wow,  can you believe this?'  if you think
about those things too much  they can drive you crazy."

so save your money on all those self-help books and stop feeling  so damn
sorry for yourself.  as amy ray sings, the less you seek  your source for
some definitive, the closer you may be to finding  it.

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subject:      amy ray on conan o'brien

i couldn't believe it myself. i was channel surfing last night and i heard
conan say, "we'll be right back with amy ray".
boy did i ever move fast!  i jumped up off the couch and flew to the video
cabinet.  grabbed a blank tape, slapped it in the vcr and hit rewind.  my
timing was perfect!  just as the tape finished rewinding, conan came back on.
i hit the record button, and sat back to see my favorite girl.
he introduced her as having worked with national geographic society... this
was new to me, but i believed it.
then this chick with long, straight brown hair and clothes with no holes in
them comes skipping out onto the stage... wait a minute!  where's my amy?????
there couldn't be two people with that lovely a name!!!!!
but alas, it was true...   this amy ray discovered some new mummy chick in
peru or somewhere...  i really wasn't paying that much attention at that
point!
oh well!
maybe some other time!
~~robin
"crazy game   i never shoulda started to play   but now you couldn't tear me
away"
e.saliers

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date:         wed, 19 jun 1996 15:08:16 +0200
reply-to:     florinek <alfabeta@mailbox.hol.nl>
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subject:      from new work to newport??

hi everyone !!

i will visit the us, july 20th - august 19th.  yes, i will go to newport. so
i guess that breaks all records, coming all the way from europe to see the
girls perform on stage!!!

i will be in new york (la guardia) on august 7th and i wonder if someone is
going by car from new york to newport. if so, maybe we could drive together???

also i wonder if someone knows good accommodation near la guardia.

and: what about meeting each other at newport?? are there allready plans or???

thanks!!

from holland,
florine

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subject:      listies in seattle

hi everyone (again!),

i have another question: i'll be a couple of days in seattle in july.

maby we could meet???

bye

from holland
florine

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from:         "amy j. putnam" <pegasus@crl.com>
subject:      re: (nigc) patty larkin!
x-to:         abigail <abaroo@execpc.com>
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if you *havent* listened to patty larkin yet, you are missing out!  she
is a fabulous musician.  my recommendation would be to get her album
"angels running" to start out.  both mary chapin carpenter and the story
sing with her on this one (it's also the album that my sig file is
quoted from).  then get stranger's world and tango, and for soem of
the funniest stuff this side of cheryl wheeler, check out "live in
the square".  if you like emily saliers' guitar playing, you will be
knocked out by patty's.  and for those going to newport, you *want*
to spring the extra 20 bucks for friday night's show with patty, cheryl,
john gorka and cliff eberhardt.  hey, if patty's music can be covered by
the likes of cher, she is worth a listen :)

abigail, thanks for bringing up patty larkin on the list :)


amy p.                          /       who holds your hand
pegasus@crl.com                /        when you're alone
                              /
the original photo monk      /                  --patty larkin

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date:         wed, 19 jun 1996 09:52:32 -0400
reply-to:     amy snyder <ajsnyder@mtu.edu>
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from:         amy snyder <ajsnyder@mtu.edu>
subject:      re: any socs

hi y'all,
  thanx to those who have responded to yesterdays request for soc information.
i received a suggestion (thanx wendell) to make a tape of any "touch me fall"
socs also.  so.... here is a general call for any and all socs that any of you
know to exist.  if you don't have the tape but were at a show and know there is
one please let me know.  once i get a complete listing i will post it so we can
figure out if it correct or not.  i will then begin to assemble all the tapes
(i have started this already).  once i have all the tapes i will make one tape
that contains all the known socs.  this tape will then be offered to the list sowe can all have all of them.

here is a listing of shows that are known to have an soc:
        austin, tx      3/24/95
        **brisbane      2/22/95
        **charleston, sc        2/7/95
        **erie, pa      4/15/95
        **newhaven, ct  4/24/95 or 4/25/95
        athens, oh      4/12/95
        **red rocks, co 8/13/94  (tmf)
        shepard's bush  11/94
        newport '94     8/7/94
        **tower         4/26/95
        **madison,wi    5/95 (tmf)
        portland, me    12/8/94

those shows marked by a ** are either on their way to me or i have them already.

  here is a listing of shows that may have an soc.  can anyone verify or add to
this?
        dartmouth       4/18/95
        rochester       10/94
        providence, ri
        brown university
        burlington, vt
        seattle, wa      8/17/94

  if any one out there has any of these shows please contact me privately.  i'll
keep everyone updated as to our progress.  thanx in advance.

peace,
amy

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subject:      re: (nigc) patty larkin!
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on wed, 19 jun 1996, abigail wrote:

> any other patty larkin fans out there? i'm still on a giddyness spree after
> having met her after a show of hers yesterday!!! it's pouring rain out here
> in wisconsin so hardly any people showed up for her outdoor (and free!)
> concert yesterday afternoon. but the die-hard fans persevered and it was
> actually a very nice sized crowd once she got going. anyway, after the show,
> she came down to talk with the fans, sign autographs, etc. my friend and i
> had a nice conversation with patty, in fact one of the first things she said
> to me was "cool shirt," and it was a very cool shirt indeed (my rop tee with
> a & e on the front.) ooh! i just knew there was at least some minimal igc in
> this post! so, moral of this story is, patty larkin rocks! those of you who
> haven't heard her music should give it a listen, i think you'll love it.
>
>                                :) abigail
for those patty larkin fans out there--patty will play a free show at the
blue moon coffeehouse on friday, october 11 at 8 p.m.  blue moon is
located at 104 e. university, bloomington, il.  there is an info line for
other shows, including an ani difranco show (which will require tickets)
at 309/556-3815..
and to make this a legit ig post..yes, the indigo girls played here a
year and a half ago and it was a blast.  i had dinner with them..and
emily was kind enough to introduce herself--"hi, i'm emily"  (as if i
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subject:      re: squeaky fromme

and now the rest of the story...

the assination attemp was foiled by a man in the crowd who put his thumb
between the hammer and the firing pin as squeaky was pulling the triger.
according to the movie, "absence of malice", the man was a closet homosexual
with a wife and family.  appearently in thier quest to find out more
information about the hero, the press destroyed his life.  i'm not sure if
that means he lost his family, his job, or what.  if anyone knows anything
else about this guy, it would make an interesting story.

meanwhile, back at squeaky.  a number of years ago squeaky actually escaped
from prison.  she was on the lamb (i wonder what that expression means) for
a few days, which is prolly when amy wrote the song.

trant

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subject:      re: squeaky fromme on the lamb

she was on the lam, trant. if she were on the lamb, peta would have been
screaming about it...

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subject:      poft question

hi everyone!

power of two seems like an easy song to interpret but one thing baffles me:

when amy sings "make new friends but keep the old, but remember what is gold"
why doesn't she say "one is silver and the other's gold"?
i thought that's just how the traditional song went. why did they change it?

any thoughts?

adding up the total.....
rob

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subject:      re: that blank subject message

at 01:14 am 6/19/96 -0600, greg ( in response to holly's post wondering who
she was tapping to ) wrote:
>well, holly, my dear--you picked a fine day to be all whimsical and just
>"write anyway".  this must be your lucky day.  you are the one millionth
>poster to the "list of sorry egghead readers" (notice the mnemonic for our
>fine list is loser!).  yes it's the list for losers and you are the
>millionth poster.  congratulations and welcome.  you must now be considered
>the number one loser i guess.  :)   feel priveleged.  now for your prize--a
>large flame.  enjoy!
>where do these people come from who post such messages?  just wondering...
uh... coming from yet another loser :-) ... i took the time to tap back at
this "holly person" and found out she is an ig fan who hoped she'd found a
mailing list from which she could receieve ig info, since she's moving out
of the country. i then sent her the listserv instructions for joining up....
hope you didn't scare her off... did your "flame" go to the list *and*
her??? hmmmm...
peace all... kim the loser :-)
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x-to:         "kim: queen of distracted reasoning" <rcn@prcn.org>

hey thanks for the lovely comment greg.

i didn't mean to offend you and don't appreciate the attitude.

thanks to kim for sticking up for me, anyway.

holly
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at 01:14 am 6/19/96 -0600, greg ( in response to holly's post wondering who
she was tapping to ) wrote:
>well, holly, my dear--you picked a fine day to be all whimsical and just
>"write anyway".  this must be your lucky day.  you are the one millionth
>poster to the "list of sorry egghead readers" (notice the mnemonic for our
>fine list is loser!).  yes it's the list for losers and you are the
>millionth poster.  congratulations and welcome.  you must now be considered
>the number one loser i guess.  :)   feel priveleged.  now for your prize--a
>large flame.  enjoy!
>where do these people come from who post such messages?  just wondering...
uh... coming from yet another loser :-) ... i took the time to tap back at
this "holly person" and found out she is an ig fan who hoped she'd found a
mailing list from which she could receieve ig info, since she's moving out
of the country. i then sent her the listserv instructions for joining up....
hope you didn't scare her off... did your "flame" go to the list *and*
her??? hmmmm...
peace all... kim the loser :-)
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from:         trant batey <twb@zycor.lgc.com>
subject:      re: squeaky fromme on the lamb
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well, i always heard, that manson family lived like animals. you think maybe...
naaaaaaaaaaaaaa.

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from:         aja <jgold16@emory.edu>
subject:      re: ig channel on the irc
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hi y'all
  i haven't posted in a long time, but i wanted to comment on irc. i go
through the emory server and have to type

                   /server
and then either

                 skypoint.dal.net
                        or
                 dragon.dal.net
                        or
                 irc.dal.net

there are a few others that work. however, i think the ig channel might
be a little empty, just b/c most of the collegiate listees are on summer
break. i've only checked in there twice since school got out. anyway i
hoped that helped someone. if not, just ignore it.
               -julie/aja

o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o

        "the camaraderie and warmth between us
         breached places within me that had been
         closed off and permanently sealed"
                                -audre lorde

o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o

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subject:      re: amy ray cpj interview 1/25/90[excerpts]
x-to:         jeni saulino <saulinoj@elwha.evergreen.edu>

>jeni wrote
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>~~~~
>i spent four years prostate to the higher mind, got my paper i was free.
>
>**************************************************************************
>****
ummm, was this song about an anatomical relationship? i'll have to
rethink my interpretation <;)
marilyn

..still crazy after all these years.. (p. simon)

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subject:      thanks for the nicg on ani and dar!!

hi all,

i just wanted to express my thanks to everyone who has written about these
two amazing talents.  i was at the clearwater fest on sunday and saw their
names on the performance schedule and was very anxious to see what all the
excitement on this list was about.

thank you, thank you, thank you for opening me up to each of these great
songwriters/ performers!  i can't wait to experience them again.  anyone know
if ani and/or dar are going to be playing anywhere in the nyc area in the
near future?

btw, got my newport tickets-- hope to see everyone there!

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subject:      re: re[2]: that blank subject message
x-to:         tangho@morgan.com

hi holly,

i also wrote greg a note letting him know i did not appreciate the
sarcasim. a lot of times people will respond to this type of thing
privately in the hopes of keeping the list flame free.

i haven't spent a lot of time on the net because i get enough of
computers at work.  but, i've noticed that there does seem to be a
bias against newbee's. this is probably because at first there was a
small group of people on the net, the access was fast, lines were open,
and they got to feel special and important. now the landscape is much
more crowded, and the old hands resent having to share their toy.
i think mostly they recent the lost of that feeling of being special.
that's why, at seemingly slightest of provocations, they tend to send a
snide little flame to newbee's in order to differentiate themself, thus
maintaining their feeling of superiority.

i wouldn't take this type of thing much to heart, just make allowances.
they were here first after all.

welcome to the list!

trant

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     anni will be playing at the beacon theatre (nyc) sometime in july.
     anyone interested should call the theatre for more details.  it is
     located on broadway and 75th.  she held a concert there in sometime
     around may, which i unfortunately had to miss, but heard it was
     wonderfuly, as usual.


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hi all,

i just wanted to express my thanks to everyone who has written about these
two amazing talents.  i was at the clearwater fest on sunday and saw their
names on the performance schedule and was very anxious to see what all the
excitement on this list was about.

thank you, thank you, thank you for opening me up to each of these great
songwriters/ performers!  i can't wait to experience them again.  anyone know
if ani and/or dar are going to be playing anywhere in the nyc area in the near
future?

btw, got my newport tickets-- hope to see everyone there!

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subject:      re: squeaky fromme on the lamb

on wed, 19 jun 96 10:24:40 -0400, amy mednick wrote:

>she was on the lam, trant. if she were on the lamb, peta would have been
>screaming about it...

and squeaky would have felt rather sheepish. but then she shrugged her
shoulders and decided she'd rather be hung for a sheep as a lamb. she'd
always been attracted to men with muttonchop whiskers.

okay, i'll stop now.

peace, love + indigo,
rahadyan

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subject:      irc, and flames

first off,  i've finally been able to connect to an indigo-girls
chat zone but every time i'm there no one else is. c'mon you all, where
are you? how many different ig chatzones are there?? with my cheap
server and limited abilities i've only been able to connect through
one address...if anyone has any advice, feel free to e-mail me
with it, i'm desperate.
   as for the recent flamage of a newbie who was just trying to see if
she got onto the list i have to say that was a little harsh. i know
i've sent out a few flames in the past, but even grumpy me can't
be peeved at enthusiasm...let's just lighten up and be ig fans again.:)
                           sharon

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organization: charles river associates
subject:      kims, elvis list gossip, and warm fuzzies
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kim talksalot
kiminy kricket
kim queen of distracted reasoning
kim the loser

uh-oh,   it looks like the stress finally got too much for our friend kim
and she has broken up into several little kim's.  could someone who lives
in the northwest hop on over to her place and put her back togeather
again as soon as possible.  if these kims ever figure out how to send
posts to each other    ....    oh its just too scary to think!

:)    just kidding of course.  i love the names, kim!

and just a little list gossip,  anyone who enjoys a good flame session
should check out the last few digests from the elvis costello list.  a
guy named dante offered to make people on the list copies of a concert he
recorded off the radio for 2-1 blank tapes, postage, and a little
gratuity, preferably cash!!    for his effort.   when it was suggested
that the tape be part of a tree that was being set up of new shows, he
responded  (among other choice words):

        >so if you want to do your little tree trading, feel free to do so when
        >you've received your tapes.  but if you want the material to start your
        >trading with, you'll have to pay for the privilege.

duck for cover!  the costello list is just like this one in terms of
people offering tapes to anyone who wants one.  needless to say, people
did not take kindly to mr dants's words.  so far there have been 6
digests, probably 40 - 50 posts,  in less than 24 hours almost all
dedicated to mr. dante.

just a little reminder that we should appreciate all the generosity that
goes on everyday on this list!  so a big old thank you and warm fuzzies
to jude, scot, and other  tape tree organizers and branches, deb & rob,
and everyone else who has made such generous offers to all of us
strangers (oops, i mean friends who haven't met yet), just for the
satisfaction of knowing that you made people happy.  you have!


  harry "electra-cool" keates
  email: hak@crai.com

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subject:      re: squeaky fromme on the lamb

at 10:24 am 6/19/96 -0400, you wrote:
>she was on the lam, trant. if she were on the lamb, peta would have been
>screaming about it...
peta??? wasn't he the pumpkin eater??? i think you mean *mary* :-) ( cause
she had a little lamb...)
peace... kim
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subject:      re: goofy lyrics, guitar chords, & nanci griffith show
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ha ha ha......nothing perks up the day quite like reading what the
highly imaginative brains of list folk come up with to fill in those
troublesome spots in songs where you don't know quite exactly what the
singer is singing.  "hidden neglige man"??  oh that's funny.  sounds like
some kinda strange new superhero or something....neglige man!  just what
kind of powers would he have?  :)  anyway, i believe the what emily is
_actually_ singing there is:

"throw away your hidden ace you clever man,
take my hand"

although i could be wrong with this.  i think "hidden neglige man" is
ever so much more fun....tee hee.

cylinda

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subject:      fwd:interesting editorial )(nigc)long

subject:     interesting editorial (i thought)
sent:        6/17/96 4:21 pm
received:    6/18/96 9:33 pm
from:        david crippen, crippen+@pitt.edu
to:          ccm-l@list.pitt.edu

from compmed.


jeff getty, the man who received a baboon marrow infusion in an
experimental treatment for aids last december, wrote an article in
defense of animal research on the editorial page of a recent wall
street journal. here is the text:


the tragic hypocrisy of 'animal rights'


by  mr. jeff getty


without animal research there will be no cure for aids.  my life and
the lives of millions of people with hiv/aids depend on scientists
working with animals to develop new therapies. every single drug we are
taking right now to stay alive until a  cure is found has come about
only because of animal research. yet the advocacy group people for the
ethical treatment for animals (peta)says it would oppose any cure for
aids that involved research with animals.


such extremists do not simply make animal research a matter of polite
debate.  one need not look far to find people with hiv or aids who have
been targeted by the animal rights zealots. when i was fighting for my
life in the hospital this winter, ireceived death wishes from so-called
animal lovers.  cleve jones, founder of the names project, received death
threats after being a grand marshal for a gay rodeo.  peter stahley of
treatment action group recently said that peta is a direct threat to his
life.  he is right.
using tactics of distortion, intimidation, harassment and in some cases
even violence, animal rights extremists have effectively delayed
significant aids research.  here are some examples:


* aids researchers at stanford university in california were forced to
build labs and complexes underground following attacks on university
property carried out in the name of animal rights. according to one
researcher there, the violent tactics of the animal rights fanatics'
violent tactics have added great costs to aids research, slowed certain
projects and blocked other aids experiments from happening altogether
due to high costs.


* recently, a prominent immunologist in the northeast who is
researching important immune restoration therapies for people with aids
said that the biggest obstacle to his research was over-restrictive
animal rights laws.  in his research, this aids scientist is
transplanting thymus tissue from infants to adults. after transplants
are performed on animals, researchers are prohibited from conducting
further biopsies on any of these animals. on the other hand, human
study subjects can and will receive biopsies over and over, as needed.


* an animal rights group's complaint to the national institute of
health (nih) about the appropriateness of the xenotransplant i received
in december led to an expensive, time consuming paper chase for
researchers.  the nih responded thatthere was no wrongdoing and that the
experiment was approved to move forward.  this bogus complaint cause
people with aids needless waste of time and money.


* the progressive animal welfare society, an animal rights group,
targeted a washington state researcher and successfully shut down, for
a time, research involving mother-to-child transmission of simian
immunodeficiency virus among macaque monkeys.  this work later turned
out to be the foundation for treatment of human newborns with azt to
block hiv.  how many children are now needlessly dying of aids because
information that could have prevented their disease was obstructed by
animal rights extremists?


certain hollywood celebrities like to wear red aids ribbons while also
supporting groups like peta.  it is time for the hypocrisy to end.  you
can't be for aids, breast cancer and diabetes research and also support
militant animal rights groups. the only productive research approach is
intensive, well-funded biomedical experimentation performed by
scientists free to use animals in their work.  contrary to peta's
rhetoric, computers have not replaced animals for drug safety testing
and research.

it will be many years before such a computer is ever programmed, simply
because we now only dimly understand how the immune system works.


meanwhile, animal rights groups continue to take donors' money,
promising to fight "for the animals."  in fact, their agenda is to stop
all animal research forever, no matter what the human cost.  dan
mathews, an openly gay employee of peta, has said publicly that he
agrees with the group's opposition to a cure for aids if it came
through animal research.  when asked about the fate of those currently
dying of the disease, he said "don't get the disease in the first
place, schmo."  dan does not have aids, but he has shown that he has
contempt for the men, women and children who do.


many of the cures for diseases that are now long gone and out of the
way came from animal research.  if peta had it way 50 years ago, we'd
be talking today about hundreds of thousands of people dying from
polio, as well as aids.


david crippen, md, fccm

department of critical care medicine
st. francis medical center
pittsburgh, pa  15201
office: (412) 622-6181
url:  http://www.pitt.edu/~crippen/


"i hate to advocate drugs, alcohol,

violence,  or insanity to anyone.... but

they've always worked for me."

         -- dr. hunter s. thompson

***************************************************************************
***********
not trying to start a flame war. just thought it was food for thought on
this dreary wet day. life ain't easy...trying to be consistent and
fair-minded is a never ending internal struggle.

marilyn (aids research supporter, animal lover, tree hugger and
eco-flagellant)

..still crazy after all these years.. (p. simon)

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subject:      re: irc, and flames

>   as for the recent flamage of a newbie who was just trying to see if
>she got onto the list i have to say that was a little harsh. i know
>i've sent out a few flames in the past, but even grumpy me can't
>be peeved at enthusiasm...let's just lighten up and be ig fans again.:)
hey all... i'm told via private post, by a friend of greg's, that he was
using sarcaastic humour + not being antagonistic, just funny. my post in
reply was meant as a sort of a gentle humour thang ( called myself a loser
in jest... since i too am part of this list ) but apparently my response can
be misread + misinterpreted too... anyhows... all is fine and no real
flamage is taking place here... just misinterpretation, which is easy when
one is stuck with text format only and no facial expressions nor inflection
of tone to go by.... i second sharon's motion. let's lighten up ( on greg
etc.) and be ig fans...
peace, all...
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subject:      that lamb thing

>>she was on the lam, trant. if she were on the lamb, peta would have been
>>screaming about it...
>peta??? wasn't he the pumpkin eater??? i think you mean *mary* :-) ( cause
>she had a little lamb...)

oh good grief! help! save me from a pun-happy list!

now seriously, i know what a lamb is. i know what a pumpkin eater is (tho i
don't know why anyone would want to do such a thing), but i _still_ don't know
what a "lam" is. (and yes, i'm too damn lazy to look it up. :)

and for another comment on the greg-flaming-newbie thing:
um, relax folks, i think he was just kidding.

folkisgruven, and did i tell you i had lunch with cosy sheridan? :)
lorindigo

driving...


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lw01@lehigh.edu            and at night we walk into our houses and burn."
lehigh university                                - dar williams
bethlehem, pa

                  i will not be complacent

"jump, jangle, jiggle and rock. fly through the sky. sail across the top.
spin out, give out, give in. you're alive!"  -melissa ferrick

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subject:      re: that lamb thing

at 01:31 pm 6/19/96 edt, lorinda wrote:

>oh good grief! help! save me from a pun-happy list!

uh :-) better pun happy than un happy... lol???
>now seriously, i know what a lamb is. i know what a pumpkin eater is (tho i
>don't know why anyone would want to do such a thing), but i _still_ don't know
>what a "lam" is. (and yes, i'm too damn lazy to look it up. :)
me... i have always understood that being "on the lam" meant running from
the law... but can't remember where the word "lam" comes from... time to ask
my dad, if'n he's able to think straight today :-)... he's 90... and knows
all those ol' words. peace all. kim.
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from:         amy mednick <amy1@alpeng.com>
subject:      re: that lamb thing

at 01:31 pm 6/19/96 edt, you wrote:
>now seriously, i know what a lamb is. i know what a pumpkin eater is (tho i
>don't know why anyone would want to do such a thing), but i _still_ don't know
>what a "lam" is. (and yes, i'm too damn lazy to look it up. :)
>
because i have nothing better to do today...

we have one of those seriously large dictionaries in our office (it's got
its own pedestal). the origin of "on the lam" is unknown. bummer.

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subject:      re: any socs/boot offer/hte-mn

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for amy's information and soc collection, amy ray had a great soc during =
tmf at the northrup auditorium at the 7/17/94 show in minneapolis. if =
anyone has a boot of this show, i would love to get a copy of it.  maybe =
we could work out a trade of something.  although i have seen the girls =
on numerous occasions, this show was special for two reasons . . .it was =
my birthday, the first time my parents had seen them with me (yes, i =
have incredibly hip and cool parents) and the first and only time i have =
met/talked to amy and emily.
i would love a tape of the show.
well, as long as i am delurking.  i guess that it is high time i thank =
all of those i have traded with in the past year or so and now that the =
first year of grad school is done, and i have time in my life =
again---make an offer to share the wealth as others have.  i have the =
following bootlegs on cd and can make a  copy for the first fifteen =
people who respond to this.  (as soon as those are out, i can post this =
offer again)
complicated girls
nothing to hide=20
blood and fire
if anyone has tuesday' s child (i think that's what it is called) i =
would love to trade with you.
one more small request . . .i am originally from minnesota and will be =
home  visiting my family during september when the girls play at =
northrup for hte.  i keep trying to ring northrup at least once a week =
to find out when tickets go on sale.  if any of you fellow minnesotans =
find out when tickets go on sale, please let me know--i fear trying to =
get good tickets when i am halfway across the country.  my luck, they =
will go on sale and i will miss out entirely.  if you have connections =
to getting a good seat, that would be the great, (any of you  out of =
towners with connections willing to trade free lodging for good =
seats?!?! just a thought.)  okay, i am heading for lurkdom again.
later=20
cami
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there are 16 messages totalling 503 lines in this issue.

topics in this special issue:

  1. amy ray on conan o'brien
  2. from new work to newport??
  3. listies in seattle
  4. (nigc) patty larkin! (2)
  5. any socs
  6. squeaky fromme
  7. squeaky fromme on the lamb (2)
  8. poft question
  9. that blank subject message
10. re[2]: that blank subject message (2)
11. ig channel on the irc
12. amy ray cpj interview 1/25/90[excerpts]
13. thanks for the nicg on ani and dar!!

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date:    wed, 19 jun 1996 09:04:39 -0400
from:    atlmouse@aol.com
subject: amy ray on conan o'brien

i couldn't believe it myself. i was channel surfing last night and i =
heard
conan say, "we'll be right back with amy ray".
boy did i ever move fast!  i jumped up off the couch and flew to the =
video
cabinet.  grabbed a blank tape, slapped it in the vcr and hit rewind.  =
my
timing was perfect!  just as the tape finished rewinding, conan came =
back on.
i hit the record button, and sat back to see my favorite girl.
he introduced her as having worked with national geographic society... =
this
was new to me, but i believed it.
then this chick with long, straight brown hair and clothes with no holes =
in
them comes skipping out onto the stage... wait a minute!  where's my =
amy?????
there couldn't be two people with that lovely a name!!!!!
but alas, it was true...   this amy ray discovered some new mummy chick =
in
peru or somewhere...  i really wasn't paying that much attention at that
point!
oh well!
maybe some other time!
~~robin
"crazy game   i never shoulda started to play   but now you couldn't =
tear me
away"
e.saliers

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date:    wed, 19 jun 1996 15:08:16 +0200
from:    florinek <alfabeta@mailbox.hol.nl>
subject: from new work to newport??

hi everyone !!

i will visit the us, july 20th - august 19th.  yes, i will go to =
newport. so
i guess that breaks all records, coming all the way from europe to see =
the
girls perform on stage!!!

i will be in new york (la guardia) on august 7th and i wonder if someone =
is
going by car from new york to newport. if so, maybe we could drive =
together???

also i wonder if someone knows good accommodation near la guardia.

and: what about meeting each other at newport?? are there allready plans =
or???

thanks!!

from holland,
florine

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date:    wed, 19 jun 1996 15:08:25 +0200
from:    florinek <alfabeta@mailbox.hol.nl>
subject: listies in seattle

hi everyone (again!),

i have another question: i'll be a couple of days in seattle in july.

maby we could meet???

bye

from holland
florine

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date:    wed, 19 jun 1996 06:25:54 -0700
from:    "amy j. putnam" <pegasus@crl.com>
subject: re: (nigc) patty larkin!

if you *havent* listened to patty larkin yet, you are missing out!  she
is a fabulous musician.  my recommendation would be to get her album
"angels running" to start out.  both mary chapin carpenter and the story
sing with her on this one (it's also the album that my sig file is
quoted from).  then get stranger's world and tango, and for soem of
the funniest stuff this side of cheryl wheeler, check out "live in
the square".  if you like emily saliers' guitar playing, you will be
knocked out by patty's.  and for those going to newport, you *want*
to spring the extra 20 bucks for friday night's show with patty, cheryl,
john gorka and cliff eberhardt.  hey, if patty's music can be covered by
the likes of cher, she is worth a listen :)

abigail, thanks for bringing up patty larkin on the list :)


amy p.                          /       who holds your hand
pegasus@crl.com                /        when you're alone
                              /
the original photo monk      /                  --patty larkin

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date:    wed, 19 jun 1996 09:52:32 -0400
from:    amy snyder <ajsnyder@mtu.edu>
subject: re: any socs

hi y'all,
  thanx to those who have responded to yesterdays request for soc =
information.
i received a suggestion (thanx wendell) to make a tape of any "touch me =
fall"
socs also.  so.... here is a general call for any and all socs that any =
of you
know to exist.  if you don't have the tape but were at a show and know =
there is
one please let me know.  once i get a complete listing i will post it so =
we can
figure out if it correct or not.  i will then begin to assemble all the =
tapes
(i have started this already).  once i have all the tapes i will make =
one tape
that contains all the known socs.  this tape will then be offered to the =
list sowe can all have all of them.

here is a listing of shows that are known to have an soc:
        austin, tx      3/24/95
        **brisbane      2/22/95
        **charleston, sc        2/7/95
        **erie, pa      4/15/95
        **newhaven, ct  4/24/95 or 4/25/95
        athens, oh      4/12/95
        **red rocks, co 8/13/94  (tmf)
        shepard's bush  11/94
        newport '94     8/7/94
        **tower         4/26/95
        **madison,wi    5/95 (tmf)
        portland, me    12/8/94

those shows marked by a ** are either on their way to me or i have them =
already.

  here is a listing of shows that may have an soc.  can anyone verify or =
add to
this?
        dartmouth       4/18/95
        rochester       10/94
        providence, ri
        brown university
        burlington, vt
        seattle, wa      8/17/94

  if any one out there has any of these shows please contact me =
privately.  i'll
keep everyone updated as to our progress.  thanx in advance.

peace,
amy

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date:    wed, 19 jun 1996 08:57:15 -0500
from:    blue moon coffeehouse <bluemoon@titan.iwu.edu>
subject: re: (nigc) patty larkin!

on wed, 19 jun 1996, abigail wrote:

> any other patty larkin fans out there? i'm still on a giddyness spree =
after
> having met her after a show of hers yesterday!!! it's pouring rain out =
here
> in wisconsin so hardly any people showed up for her outdoor (and =
free!)
> concert yesterday afternoon. but the die-hard fans persevered and it =
was
> actually a very nice sized crowd once she got going. anyway, after the =
show,
> she came down to talk with the fans, sign autographs, etc. my friend =
and i
> had a nice conversation with patty, in fact one of the first things =
she said
> to me was "cool shirt," and it was a very cool shirt indeed (my rop =
tee with
> a & e on the front.) ooh! i just knew there was at least some minimal =
igc in
> this post! so, moral of this story is, patty larkin rocks! those of =
you who
> haven't heard her music should give it a listen, i think you'll love =
it.
>
>                                :) abigail
for those patty larkin fans out there--patty will play a free show at =
the
blue moon coffeehouse on friday, october 11 at 8 p.m.  blue moon is
located at 104 e. university, bloomington, il.  there is an info line =
for
other shows, including an ani difranco show (which will require tickets)
at 309/556-3815..
and to make this a legit ig post..yes, the indigo girls played here a
year and a half ago and it was a blast.  i had dinner with them..and
emily was kind enough to introduce herself--"hi, i'm emily"  (as if i
didn't know already!!  it was a very charming moment.> > -- > =
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date:    wed, 19 jun 1996 09:23:11 -0500
from:    trant batey <twb@zycor.lgc.com>
subject: re: squeaky fromme

and now the rest of the story...

the assination attemp was foiled by a man in the crowd who put his thumb
between the hammer and the firing pin as squeaky was pulling the triger.
according to the movie, "absence of malice", the man was a closet =
homosexual
with a wife and family.  appearently in thier quest to find out more
information about the hero, the press destroyed his life.  i'm not sure =
if
that means he lost his family, his job, or what.  if anyone knows =
anything
else about this guy, it would make an interesting story.

meanwhile, back at squeaky.  a number of years ago squeaky actually =
escaped
from prison.  she was on the lamb (i wonder what that expression means) =
for
a few days, which is prolly when amy wrote the song.

trant

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date:    wed, 19 jun 1996 10:24:40 -0400
from:    amy mednick <amy1@alpeng.com>
subject: re: squeaky fromme on the lamb

she was on the lam, trant. if she were on the lamb, peta would have been
screaming about it...

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date:    wed, 19 jun 1996 10:34:04 gmt
from:    patricia hite <phite@cybergate.net>
subject: poft question

hi everyone!

power of two seems like an easy song to interpret but one thing baffles =
me:

when amy sings "make new friends but keep the old, but remember what is =
gold"
why doesn't she say "one is silver and the other's gold"?
i thought that's just how the traditional song went. why did they change =
it?

any thoughts?

adding up the total.....
rob

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date:    wed, 19 jun 1996 07:36:46 -0700
from:    "kim: queen of distracted reasoning" <rcn@prcn.org>
subject: re: that blank subject message

at 01:14 am 6/19/96 -0600, greg ( in response to holly's post wondering =
who
she was tapping to ) wrote:
>well, holly, my dear--you picked a fine day to be all whimsical and =
just
>"write anyway".  this must be your lucky day.  you are the one =
millionth
>poster to the "list of sorry egghead readers" (notice the mnemonic for =
our
>fine list is loser!).  yes it's the list for losers and you are the
>millionth poster.  congratulations and welcome.  you must now be =
considered
>the number one loser i guess.  :)   feel priveleged.  now for your =
prize--a
>large flame.  enjoy!
>where do these people come from who post such messages?  just =
wondering...
uh... coming from yet another loser :-) ... i took the time to tap back =
at
this "holly person" and found out she is an ig fan who hoped she'd found =
a
mailing list from which she could receieve ig info, since she's moving =
out
of the country. i then sent her the listserv instructions for joining =
up....
hope you didn't scare her off... did your "flame" go to the list *and*
her??? hmmmm...
peace all... kim the loser :-)
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
     <kiminy kricket>rcn@prcn.org
"did i ever tell you about the oysters?"
-------buddy threadgood junior-----------
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date:    wed, 19 jun 1996 11:00:16 -0400
from:    holly tang <tangho@morgan.com>
subject: re[2]: that blank subject message

hey thanks for the lovely comment greg.

i didn't mean to offend you and don't appreciate the attitude.

thanks to kim for sticking up for me, anyway.

holly
______________________________ reply separator =
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subject: re: that blank subject message
author:  "kim: queen of distracted reasoning" <rcn@prcn.org> at nylanr01
date:    6/19/96 7:36 am


at 01:14 am 6/19/96 -0600, greg ( in response to holly's post wondering =
who
she was tapping to ) wrote:
>well, holly, my dear--you picked a fine day to be all whimsical and =
just
>"write anyway".  this must be your lucky day.  you are the one =
millionth
>poster to the "list of sorry egghead readers" (notice the mnemonic for =
our
>fine list is loser!).  yes it's the list for losers and you are the
>millionth poster.  congratulations and welcome.  you must now be =
considered
>the number one loser i guess.  :)   feel priveleged.  now for your =
prize--a
>large flame.  enjoy!
>where do these people come from who post such messages?  just =
wondering...
uh... coming from yet another loser :-) ... i took the time to tap back =
at
this "holly person" and found out she is an ig fan who hoped she'd found =
a
mailing list from which she could receieve ig info, since she's moving =
out
of the country. i then sent her the listserv instructions for joining =
up....
hope you didn't scare her off... did your "flame" go to the list *and*
her??? hmmmm...
peace all... kim the loser :-)
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
     <kiminy kricket>rcn@prcn.org
"did i ever tell you about the oysters?"
-------buddy threadgood junior-----------
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date:    wed, 19 jun 1996 10:23:50 -0500
from:    trant batey <twb@zycor.lgc.com>
subject: re: squeaky fromme on the lamb

well, i always heard, that manson family lived like animals. you think =
maybe...
naaaaaaaaaaaaaa.

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date:    wed, 19 jun 1996 11:11:13 -0400
from:    aja <jgold16@emory.edu>
subject: re: ig channel on the irc

hi y'all
  i haven't posted in a long time, but i wanted to comment on irc. i go
through the emory server and have to type

                   /server
and then either

                 skypoint.dal.net
                        or
                 dragon.dal.net
                        or
                 irc.dal.net

there are a few others that work. however, i think the ig channel might
be a little empty, just b/c most of the collegiate listees are on summer
break. i've only checked in there twice since school got out. anyway i
hoped that helped someone. if not, just ignore it.
               -julie/aja

o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o

        "the camaraderie and warmth between us
         breached places within me that had been
         closed off and permanently sealed"
                                -audre lorde

o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o

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date:    wed, 19 jun 1996 12:11:29 -0400
from:    "m.macvey" <mmacvey@attach.net>
subject: re: amy ray cpj interview 1/25/90[excerpts]

>jeni wrote
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~=
~~
>~~~~
>i spent four years prostate to the higher mind, got my paper i was =
free.
>
>************************************************************************=
**
>****
ummm, was this song about an anatomical relationship? i'll have to
rethink my interpretation <;)
marilyn

..still crazy after all these years.. (p. simon)

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date:    wed, 19 jun 1996 11:30:23 -0400
from:    seaphish@aol.com
subject: thanks for the nicg on ani and dar!!

hi all,

i just wanted to express my thanks to everyone who has written about =
these
two amazing talents.  i was at the clearwater fest on sunday and saw =
their
names on the performance schedule and was very anxious to see what all =
the
excitement on this list was about.

thank you, thank you, thank you for opening me up to each of these great
songwriters/ performers!  i can't wait to experience them again.  anyone =
know
if ani and/or dar are going to be playing anywhere in the nyc area in =
the
near future?

btw, got my newport tickets-- hope to see everyone there!

-------------------------------------------------------------------------=
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....when you learn to love yourself you will dissolve all the stones =
that are
cast....
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--sheri

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date:    wed, 19 jun 1996 10:53:28 -0500
from:    trant batey <twb@zycor.lgc.com>
subject: re: re[2]: that blank subject message

hi holly,

i also wrote greg a note letting him know i did not appreciate the
sarcasim. a lot of times people will respond to this type of thing
privately in the hopes of keeping the list flame free.

i haven't spent a lot of time on the net because i get enough of
computers at work.  but, i've noticed that there does seem to be a
bias against newbee's. this is probably because at first there was a
small group of people on the net, the access was fast, lines were open,
and they got to feel special and important. now the landscape is much
more crowded, and the old hands resent having to share their toy.
i think mostly they recent the lost of that feeling of being special.
that's why, at seemingly slightest of provocations, they tend to send a
snide little flame to newbee's in order to differentiate themself, thus
maintaining their feeling of superiority.

i wouldn't take this type of thing much to heart, just make allowances.
they were here first after all.

welcome to the list!

trant

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date:         wed, 19 jun 1996 15:46:56 -0500
reply-to:     abigail <abaroo@execpc.com>
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from:         abigail <abaroo@execpc.com>
subject:      fashion question & bots

ok, here's a question for those of you who are obsessed with a & e's
wardrobes. after watching watershed for what had to be the millionth time, i
noticed that in some of the interview segments (you know, the ones where a &
e are shooting pool in a bar) amy is wearing this orange shirt that looks
exactly like the one emily wore in boys on the side when they were
performing in the club. anyone else notice, or am i wrong?  also, i noticed
a while ago (when watching boys on the side for the millionth time) that in
that scene where everyone's sitting around at this outdoor party they threw
for "holly" when she came home from jail, well a bunch of the main
characters are singing "mellow yellow" and if you look closely, you can see
a & e for just a split-seccond, playing guitar. finally, ok, now this one is
*really* stretching it, but in one of the songbooks, (so i think) there's a
photo of amy on the set of boys on the side that was taken by "c.seay."
might cooper be in the movie somewhere, possibly as an extra? just a
thought, sorry for ramblin' on so...
                              -abigail

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date:         wed, 19 jun 1996 16:41:32 -0400
reply-to:     emily shu <emilys@snet.net>
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from:         emily shu <emilys@snet.net>
subject:      (nigc)...  ani difranco... soc?...

>    anni will be playing at the beacon theatre (nyc) sometime in july.
>     anyone interested should call the theatre for more details.  it is
>     located on broadway and 75th.  she held a concert there in sometime
>     around may, which i unfortunately had to miss, but heard it was
>     wonderfuly, as usual.
>
>

hey all, ani difranco will be playing at the beacon theater in november.
tickets are now on-sale (!?!) through the beacon's box office.  her show
there this spring was on april 26, and she was wonderful.  that was the show
amy ray attended in ny.

by the way, what does soc stand for?  i feel a little slow, i'm afraid to
say.  live recording?  is that it?  can i get my hands on the 4/24/95 new
haven tape?  does it exist?  that was my friend's 18th birthday, a wonderful
birthday indeed, and she'd love a recording.

that's all!

-emily  :)

"i just hope it was o.k., i know it wasn't perfect
i hope in the end we can laugh and say
it was all worth it...
we make our own gravity to give weight to things
then things fall and they break
and gravity sings"
-a.d.

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date:         wed, 19 jun 1996 15:55:52 -0500
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subject:      atlanta bound,..now how do i get to the park???nigc??

against my better judgement (financially speaking of course), i'm breaking
into my piggy bank and headin' to atlanta to see the ig at pride.

i need a bit of info about piedmont park...

1)how to get there if i'm coming in from the north (just start at the edge
of the city..thanks).
2)places to park nearby.
3)did anyone *actually-for real-no joke-really interested-not pullin' legs*
want to meet other fans from the list (i should distinguish that i'm not a
psycho rabid fan ---other than driving "a little ways" to get there)?
4)and finally, can my dog come?...(some places request that you don't bring
them even though its a public place and they can be there legally if on a
leash, so i was just wondering).

i thank you, and my dog thanks you,
cathy and luna

p.s. luna has never seen the ig's but she loves listening to them....(and
she is not a rabid fan either).     arf!!!

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from:         amy snyder <ajsnyder@mtu.edu>
subject:      re: attn. mike reynolds, nigc

dear fellow listees,
  sorry to have to post this here but i am not able to contact mike reynolds and
he has a copy of one of amy's socs that i want to get a hold of.

mike,
  i definately want to get a copy of the show we discussed.  do you want a blank
or a trade?  i tried to mail you earlier but got it bounced back to me for some
reason.  please let me know.

  again, i apologize to the rest of the list.

peace,
amy

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subject:      re: squeaky fromme on the lamb
x-to:         trant batey <twb@zycor.lgc.com>
in-reply-to:  <9606191523.aa02442@amy>

welllllll, charlie himself said he was the lamb of god....

*************************************************************************
"when you were born, you cried and the world rejoiced.  live your life in
such a way that, when you die, the world cries and you rejoice."--chief
seattle

******gwen keyt******
seattle pacific university
bsn class of 1997
gkeyt@paul.spu.edu

on wed, 19 jun 1996, trant batey wrote:

> well, i always heard, that manson family lived like animals. you think maybe...
> naaaaaaaaaaaaaa.
>
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please put me on all indigo girls' mailing lists that you have available. thank
you.

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from:         "rahadyan timoteo (tim) sastrowardoyo" <tisast@nytimes.com>
subject:      re: that lamb thing

per webster's new world dictionary, 3d college edition:

lam [2] n. {slang} headlong flight, usually to escape punishment for a
crime -- vi. lammed, lamming [slang] to flee; escape --on the lam
[slang] in flight, as from the police --take it on the lam   to make a
getaway; escape

peace, love + indigo,
rahadyan

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subject:      soc explained!! :) for da newbies!!

okay the phenomenon referred to as an soc is really a stream of conscience
(conscious?) sort of monologue that amy sometimes goes into in the middle of
a song she tells a story & the words sort of just keep going and going flying
everywhere mostly she does this sorta thing in the middle of chickenman,
although she's been known to do touch me fall socs as well anyway, to read it
is a bit like reading lyrics to a song you don't know but to hear it, man,
that's gotta be like hearing poetry.................................

rick
quite enjoys being punctuation free

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subject:      re: nigc: audre lorde

at 08:49 am 6/18/96 -0400, you wrote:
>hey !!
>guess what !???
>tonight's thenight that "audre lorde, a litany for survival"
>is sceduled to be aired on pbs's p.o.v..
>it's really, really good. trust me.
>soooo.....set your vcr's cuz it's on late.(midnite)
>
>binky


did anyone else catch it last night? it was incredible, especially for me,
as i knew very little about audre lorde before seeing the documentary.
thanks for letting us know about it! :)

                  -abigail

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holly -

first i would like to say welcome to the list!!!! i am a newbie myself , i've
been lurking for about three months and just recently starting posting
myself. with the exception of greg - the people on this list are very nice
and try to look out for each other, so dont let him scare you off.


greg wrote:
<well, holly, my dear--you picked a fine day to be all whimsical and just
<"write anyway".  this must be your lucky day.  you are the one millionth
<poster to the "list of sorry egghead readers" (notice the mnemonic for our
<fine list is loser!).  yes it's the list for losers and you are the
<millionth poster.  congratulations and welcome.  you must now be considered
<the number one loser i guess.  :)   feel priveleged.  now for your prize--a
<large flame.  enjoy!

my only question is this: who peed in your cheerios??????????????????????????

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subject:      chickenman soc

just curious, did i miss something?  is there a boot floating around
somewhere out there entirely of chickenman soc.   that would be my idea of
heaven.  if there is, would someone mind making me a copy?  i would be your
bestest friend!  sundara

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subject:      eeeeeeeeek!!

in just over three hours i will be making my radio debut.... and i'm just a
little bit scared. the library here doesn't have any of ig albums and all
of mine are at home in england but they do have the bury my heart at
wounded knee single. so, no prizes for guessing what the first track that i
play will be :) i will be playing new mongrels (9 fingers) and some other
tracks from various other albums on which the girls have appeared. i'll be
thinking of all my list buddies during the first track :)

i will definitely be at pride.... anyone want to meet up? i will also be at
the michelle malone gig at eddie's attic on the friday..... if you are in
the area then be there.

finally, to sharon... were you the oriental/asian woman sitting at the
table in front of michael lorant at the writers night (eddie's attic) a
couple of weeks ago? you were there with a woman and you joined two guys at
their table. you had the nomads vinyl with you? if i see you at pride i
will say hello.

take care all
sharon

ps. viva la diva will be playing at the atlanta hilton on saturday night
(6/22) at 11pm. wendy bucklew and cooper seay will be playing at the red
light cafe  on the same night. i'm assuming that cooper will play first and
then head over to the hilton. i hope to see some of you at one or the
other, or both shows.

"i can't imagine having separate careers. my greatest fear is that it'll end."
                                                  emily saliers
               "my greatest fear is that emily has a fear that it'll end."
                                                     amy ray

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<whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa! seeing as you described yourself as a "newbie",
<what do you know about greg? jeepers!

<deb

you are right - i dont know anything about greg - but was that recent post
really necessary? what is the point ?? the one thing i have admired about
this list is the fact that everyone seems to look out for everyone - but to
someone making their first post was the sarcasm really necessary??  i dont
think holly was a loser by making
an attempt to reach out to this list. everyone has to begin somewhere - so it
wasnt exactly up to certain people's standards--- what are you going to do -
scare off everyone because you dont like their post????  btw - i did not say
anything degratory about greg -  but he was not being nice -  i cant help it
- my people taught me better manners than that.   just remember - treat
people like you want to be treated - isnt that what it is all about - listen
to the music - it says it all.

if you wish to flame me - please feel free - the one thing i should not have
done is take up the bandwith with such crap - email me and leave everyone
else out of this.


deb

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subject:      the guy who nabbed squeaky fromm

just wanted to expand a bit upon what trant told you all about the fellow who
foiled squeaky fromm's attempt to assassinate president ford.  i saw a news
special or documentary or something on cable about this about a year or so ago.
the guy was a closet homosexual, as trant pointed out.  since this guy saved
president ford's life, everyone naturally wanted to know all about this new hero.
the press dug and dug (as they will) and found out that he was gay.  this was
reported in the news and this guy's privacy was invaded in a major way (remember,
he wasn't a public figure by choice...he just performed a heroic act and was
catapulted into the media spotlight).  anyway, as trant explained, (and as you
can imagine...especially in the mid-1970s) all the publicity he received ended
up focusing on the fact he was gay and it ended up ruining his life -- literally.
he committed suicide a few years ago.  i've never heard, but i suppose it's
possible that he could have been emotionally unstable or weak to begin with. but
i did not know that he was married with children.  i can see where that would
complicate an already awkward situation.  can anyone else provide any insights on
this story?

joan :)

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              grrl o' cognitive dissonance" <t1kchevalier@wellesley.edu>
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subject:      re: fwd:interesting editorial )(nigc)long
x-to:         mmacvey@attach.net

> jeff getty, the man who received a baboon marrow infusion in an
>experimental treatment for aids last december, wrote an article in
>defense of animal research on the editorial page of a recent wall
>street journal. here is the text:
>
>
>the tragic hypocrisy of 'animal rights'
>
>
>by  mr. jeff getty
>
>
>without animal research there will be no cure for aids.  my life and
>the lives of millions of people with hiv/aids depend on scientists
>working with animals to develop new therapies.
this is ridiculous. what proof does he have to back up these claims?

> every single drug we are
>taking right now to stay alive until a  cure is found has come about
>only because of animal research.
if this is the case (and i doubt it) it's not because there's anything magical
about animal research, but only because it's the only research method that has
been tried.

> yet the advocacy group people for the
>ethical treatment for animals (peta)says it would oppose any cure for
>aids that involved research with animals.
absolutely. there is no valid ethical reason to value a human life over that of,
say, a baboon.

>
>such extremists do not simply make animal research a matter of polite
>debate.  one need not look far to find people with hiv or aids who have
>been targeted by the animal rights zealots. when i was fighting for my
>life in the hospital this winter, ireceived death wishes from so-called
>animal lovers.  cleve jones, founder of the names project, received death
> threats after being a grand marshal for a gay rodeo.  peter stahley of
>treatment action group recently said that peta is a direct threat to his
> life.  he is right.
ridiculous. to judge a large and diverse movement by the actions of a few wackos
is completely unfair. the animal rights movement is about *nonviolence* in all
aspects of life. i am pro-choice myself, but a similar mistake is made by some
pro-choice people when they label all pro-lifers as violent extremists based on
the actions of john salvi and company. it's an easy way of brushing off the
political and ethical challenges posed by the ar movement without any actual
thought.

>certain hollywood celebrities like to wear red aids ribbons while also
>supporting groups like peta.  it is time for the hypocrisy to end.  you
>can't be for aids, breast cancer and diabetes research and also support
>militant animal rights groups. the only productive research approach is
>intensive, well-funded biomedical experimentation performed by
>scientists free to use animals in their work.
an absurd claim. i'd like to see some facts to back up these wild statements.

> meanwhile, animal rights groups continue to take donors' money,
>promising to fight "for the animals."  in fact, their agenda is to stop
>all animal research forever, no matter what the human cost.  dan
>mathews, an openly gay employee of peta, has said publicly that he
>agrees with the group's opposition to a cure for aids if it came
>through animal research.  when asked about the fate of those currently
>dying of the disease, he said "don't get the disease in the first
>place, schmo."  dan does not have aids, but he has shown that he has
>contempt for the men, women and children who do.
well, that was a stupid thing to say (however, mathews is correct in observing
that prevention is a far more effective strategy in the battle against aids than
research). but again, you make a terrible mistake if you judge all activists by
the statements of one individual.
>
>
> many of the cures for diseases that are now long gone and out of the
>way came from animal research.  if peta had it way 50 years ago, we'd
>be talking today about hundreds of thousands of people dying from
>polio, as well as aids.
as a matter of fact, if peta had been around back then, we might have averted
the current aids pandemic. some scientists believe that aids started with a
virus present in a batch of polio vaccine derived from monkey kidneys.

>not trying to start a flame war. just thought it was food for thought on
>this dreary wet day.
no thought necessary to debunk these swiss-cheese-like arguments.

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subject:      po2

hey!  with all the other talk on the list, which is good i might add, i
just wanted to give a say about po2.  it is a very straight foward song,
but that is part of its beauty.  the idea that "we're ok, we're fine" can
be so reassuring at times.  and who doesn't need someone to tackle that
monster under your bed?

simplicity is often very beautiful, and that is the case with this song.
it always makes me feel very positive and renewed.  it's one of my faves,
so thanks for letting me share!  :)
                                   lia

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subject:      patty larkin

"amy j. putnam" <pegasus@crl.com> wrote about patty larkin!:

<if you *havent* listened to patty larkin yet, you are missing out!  she
is a fabulous musician.>

i totally agree.  got "stranger's world" last year - loved it.  patty larkin
is really a talented songwriter/guitarist/vocalist.  got to see her perform
at the kerrville folkfest a few weeks ago.  she's very sharp, witty, and
gave a great performance.

<if you like emily saliers' guitar playing, you will be knocked out by
patty's.  and for those going to newport, you *want* to spring the extra 20
bucks for friday night's show with patty, cheryl, john gorka and cliff
eberhardt. >

i've already got my ticket to the friday night show.  hope some of y'all
will be there.  i've never seen a bad cheryl wheeler performance and the
lineup is just great music and fun all night.

< hey, if patty's music can be covered by the likes of cher, she is worth a
listen :)>

that's right. cher covering one of patty larkin's songs for her comeback
album. the only thing weirder would be cher covering something like "hammer
and a nail" or "galileo".  she (patty) mentioned the cher cover at kerrville.

abigail wrote:

> any other patty larkin fans out there? i'm still on a giddyness spree after
having met her after a show of hers yesterday!!! ....so, moral of this
story is, patty larkin rocks! those of you who haven't heard her music
should give it a listen, i think you'll love it.>

glad to hear other cheryl and patty fans are out there in ig land. it would
be worth going to newport even without the ig since they're playing on
friday.  (well....ig are my main draw)
i've got my ticket for friday night.  i'd love to know who else is going
from the list.
--
seaphish@aol.com wrote:
subject: thanks for the nicg on ani and dar!!

<i just wanted to express my thanks to everyone who has written about these
two amazing talents.>

this is so cool.  ani, dar, cheryl, and patty applauded on the same ig digest.\
i'm really looking forward to seeing ani for the first time in newport.
i've seen dar williams perform the last two years at the kerrville fest and
she hits austin once or twice a year.  she's definitely worth seeing.  rod
kennedy calls her a 'living angel' on the stage.  both her cd's are good but
"the honesty room" is my favorite so far.

(and i know i've been on a kerrville kick for the last four weeks - it was
over last sunday - but just as a teaser of the fab music you hear there -
dar, cheryl, and patty played there this year - well cheryl got sick and
missed the gig this year but she was there the last 3 or 4 years - and dar
played in a thunderstorm - still worth it)
"i do not base my opinions of people on race, sex, or orientation.  there
are enough reasons to dislike them just based on individual personalities."

all out of festivals (and $) until august, :-(
karen

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subject:      sotw -- pot

hi y'all!
i just wanted to share my own pot experience.
this past valentine's day i made a mix for my girlfriend which included
pot as well as several other ig songs.
my g/f is a survivor of rape and childhood sexual abuse, and there is
just so much in this song that expressed my desire to love and nurture
and protect her.  it just seemed to put perfectly into words the depth
of my commitment to stick with her through thick and thin, and that i
would be there for her always, no matter what the trouble.

so we're ok we're fine baby i'm here to stop your crying chase all the
ghost from your head i'm stronger than the monster beneath your bed
smarter than the tricks played on your heart we'll look at them together
them we'll take them apart adding up the total of a love that's true ...
and if we'd ever leave a legacy it's that we loved each other well ...
and now we're talking about a difficult thing and your eyes are getting
wet but i took us for better and i took us for worse and don't you ever
forget it ...

unfortunately, this story doesn't have a happy ending.  when we met she
was just entering a very difficult phase of her healing, which made it
to difficult, for a variety of reasons, for her to deal with a
relationship.  she broke up with me a month ago.  but we did love each
other well while we had the chance.

btw, the other ig songs were, the wood song ("the prize is always worth
the rocky ride"), watershed ("when you're learning to face the path at
you're pace every choice is worth your while"), and thin line (don't
really know why i put tht on there, but it just seemed like a song she
shoud have).

anyway, thanks for reading.

tuesday's child

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subject:      iwnbc soc info

hello!

i was just thinking earlier tonight that i hadn't listend to the great ig jam
i had on tape in a long time.  in the middle of tmf -- i am very new at this
so if i don't get all of the symbols or abbreviations correct, i am sorry --
they go into this long chello solo/amy rant.  at least that is what we used
to call it before i joined the list.

so, i was reading the digest and y'all were talking about soc's and i
realized that what you were talking about and what i had on tape, the only
bootleg i have, was the same.  the someone said that the iwnbc soc may be on
the burlington, vt show, which is the one i have.  so i gave it  a listen,
but unfortunately it is _not_ on there.

but, this may limit your search.  good luck.

kevin

"nature can heal and chher and give strength to body and soul alike."  john
muir

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subject:      re: fwd:interesting editorial )(nigc)

i just wanted to say *right on* kristen,

after reading that article, it gave me one of those sinking
feelings in the pit of my stomach.  it stated only radical
things done by the animal rights activists and showed that
the author feels that animal abuse is ok if it is convent to
him.  well what about the baboon?  aids is a horrible thing
and so is animal abuse.  two wrongs do not make a right
here.

- - howdy...

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subject:      re: indigo-girls digest - 10 jun 1996

hey

i'm an emily person too...

there are lots of us, don't worry!

:)

love

larissa

who is working on all the boots she owes!!!!

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date:         wed, 19 jun 1996 20:00:08 -0700
reply-to:     "kim: supreme goddess of inanity" <rcn@prcn.org>
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subject:      re: nigc: audre lorde

at 06:10 pm 6/19/96 -0500, abigail wrote:
>did anyone else catch it last night? it was incredible, especially for me,
>as i knew very little about audre lorde before seeing the documentary.
>thanks for letting us know about it! :)

i realize i will probably appear *very* ignorant here ( but then, i am... so
where's the fear??? ) :-) but, uh... i donno who audre lorde is... can
someone enlighten me??? am i missing out on something really really, fer
sure, good???
peace... kim.
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
     <kiminy kricket>rcn@prcn.org
"i had a dream i was your hero. damn!
      i wish i was your lover!"
---------sophie b. hawkins----------------
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from:         dave jackson <jacksond@uoguelph.ca>
subject:      please help!

hi everyone!  (are you still there?)

my last two messages have been rebutted (titled "sotw - pot?" and
"ghost on 1200 curfews") saying that this mailbox is full.

is this true?  i seem to be receiving *your* messages without any
trouble.

help is needed!

sincerely,
a confused lisa j. :)
**************************************************
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                    -sarah jessica parker
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reply-to:     "christopher d. payne" <owen4@adnc.com>
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dave jackson wrote:
>
> hi everyone!  (are you still there?)
>
> my last two messages have been rebutted (titled "sotw - pot?" and
> "ghost on 1200 curfews") saying that this mailbox is full.
>
> is this true?  i seem to be receiving *your* messages without any
> trouble.
>
> help is needed!
>
> sincerely,
> a confused lisa j. :)
> **************************************************
> lisa j. :)
>

yes yes!! i am having the same trouble. i am kind of new here, and
almost all of my messages have been returned for one reason or another.
one of them being "mailbox full". what is going on? is this common on
this list?

chris payne owen4@adnc.com

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subject:      irc

hi y'all!
just wanted to let you know that i got onto dal.net with no trouble!
come play with me!  i'll probably be on after 10pm eastern time.  hope
to see you!

tuesday's child
(will be indigo1 on irc)

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subject:      re: please help!

chris payne did tap:
>almost all of my messages have been returned for one reason or another.
>one of them being "mailbox full". what is going on? is this common on
>this list?
me thinks it's just the full mailbox of an absentee-listee spewing out
"mailbox full" messages everytime a new post is sent to the list. i get two
for every post i send. sigh.
peace all... kim. and next time *you* go away... think "digest" :-)
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      i wish i was your lover!"
---------sophie b. hawkins----------------
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subject:      re: please help!
x-to:         owen4@adnc.com

;)  it's cool, it's cool....
the way i understand it, someone on the list has a full mailbox & somehow the
messages are bouncing back to us....
it doesn't happen often on the list, though. :)

purty soon it'll be okay, but all messages are going through. :)

rick
afraid to post without a fire extinguisher handy....

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subject:      re: that lamb thing

lam(lam) n.{{<?}} [slang] headlong flight --
vi. lammed, lam'ming [slang] to flee; escape
-- on the lam [slang] in flight, as from the police.

"squeaky...squeaky..squeaky ! squeaky !
squeaky! squeaky! squeaky !!!!"
(tee hee:)

hey !!!
don't give that girl some gum !!!
(i mean it now !)

love !!
binky

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subject:      a message of love

my fellow ig heads--a very brief clearing of the air on the flaming issue
of newbies and on my marred character.  my recent post about losers was
sarcasm in full.  anyone who has been here for any amount of time knows i
post sarcastically.  so please lighten up.  i have already privately
apologized to holly in case she was offended by my humor.  usually people
who post random "what is this list" messages are never seen again.
        my original post had a smiley in it ":-)" and i even called myself
a loser--hardly signs of a flame.  so to those who think less of me as a
result and publically displayed their sentiments--i forgive you already.
no need for private apologies.
        to whoever tried to psychoanalyze me with "superiority because i'm
not a newbie" jargon can please bark up another tree.  i already have a
therapist thank you very much--not to mention i am one.  :-)
        to deb, my bud, who righteously defended me through a slew of
private messages--i love ya baby!! *smooch*
        to my producers and my publicists and my whole family....ok ok ;)


        i hope this ends this charade.  have a beautiful thursday.

greg


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reply-to:     jackels@wizza.agvic.gov.au
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from:         vida <jackels@wizza.agvic.gov.au>
subject:      re: kims, elvis list gossip, and warm fuzzies

> just a little reminder that we should appreciate all the generosity that
> goes on everyday on this list!  so a big old thank you and warm fuzzies
> to jude, scot, and other  tape tree organizers and branches, deb & rob,
> and everyone else who has made such generous offers to all of us
> strangers (oops, i mean friends who haven't met yet), just for the
> satisfaction of knowing that you made people happy.  you have!
>
and to sherlyn downunder
sue
susan jackel <jackels@wizza.agvic.gov.au>

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subject:      a dying child: rumor gone rampant

this is the 3rd time i've tried to send this mesg. to the list... i don't
know why it keeps bouncing back to me.  if you've gotten this msg.
before, i apologize... but i have not seen it posted yet.

---------- forwarded message ----------

this 'story' of a dying child wanting to break the guiness book of world
records is about 10 years old.  this has been covered on several news
magazines such as 20/20 and dateline.  not only did this boy get a
million cards, he got several billion cards.  he and his family have
publicly requested that people stop sending cards.  volunteers for the
make a wish foundation go through each card to check for monetary
donations, of which there are about 1 per 20 or so cards.  they are
paying several thousands of dollars a year to simply store all of the
cards they have yet to go through, plus the continual stream of new cards.

the good news is, the boy who was dying, is now cured, and is relatively
healthy.  they don't want any more cards.  how do i know that the boy
mentioned in the below included message:

> help a dying child: craig shirgold is a 7 year old boy who lives in keen,

is the same kid?  everytime i hear this story on the internet (and i've
only been on the internet 1.5 yrs... and have heard this story repeated
about a dozen times...), the boy's name and age are different, the only
constant is his gender... the people from the guiness book of world
records have closed any and all future entries for people wanting the
most get-well cards... which means not only for dying little boys, but
for retired nuns, veterans, puppies, etc... they have given the record to
whatever that kid's name really is (i can't remember) and said that it
will never be broken... because at this point, the cards are literally
inumerable.

the bottom line:  if you want to help a dying child, donate your time
and/or your money to an organization dedicated to helping children...
sending a get-well card to this kid will not help anyone.

if you hear anyone else talking about this, please pass on the above info
to them... if anyone doubts the info i've posted here, please don't
hesitate to contact the folks at guiness or make-a-wish foundation.

keeping you in the know,
-shelley
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from:         ncrobino@aol.com
subject:      ig 1996 shirts..orders received #3/ 6-19-96
x-to:         indigo@clark.net, lwarren531@aol.com, scady@umich.edu,
              poohgrl816@aol.com, aneeza@cse.fau.edu

the following orders are in to me as of 6-19-96.

deadline is july 9th!  no exceptions can be made, so please hurry!

thanks everyone!

amy mednick 1 xxl
jeni saulino 1 xl
laura rice 1 xl
steven reynolds 1 xl
kirsten chevalier 1 xl
greg flamer 1 xl
lisa savu 1 xl
gwen drueger 1 l
randy rohrer 2 xxl
brian harvey 1 xl
camille kearl 2 xxl 1xl
connie tsuchiya 1 l
joan ferguson 1 xl
kristina - 1 xxl
derek moulaison 1 xl
diane krause 1 xl
craig haskins 1 xl 1 xxl
jen holt 1 xl
sharon james 1 xl
whit kuhn 1 xl
lisa winters 1 l
that is it so far!  please hurry!  get your orders in!  the absolute deadline
is the 9th of july!
thanks everyone for your support!
take care
rob
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reply-to:     "kim: supreme goddess of the inane" <rcn@prcn.org>
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from:         "kim: supreme goddess of the inane" <rcn@prcn.org>
subject:      re: a message of love

>i hope this ends this charade.  have a beautiful thursday.
>
no!!!!! <much stamping of haughty little foot> i will *not*. you can't make
me!!!!
kim... who just feels like being stooooopid... bad bad bad bad day for me...
thank gawd for the fun + distraction of this list. i know... this is my
umpteenth post today... but i promise an absence in the very near future,
so, till then....delete key at right, under insert... feel free to use... :-)
peace all ( especially you, greg ) + to all a beautiful thursday ( ah... if
you can't beat em, join em... )
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
     <just kim>rcn@prcn.org
"i had a dream i was your hero. damn!
      i wish i was your lover!"
---------sophie b. hawkins----------------
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reply-to:     paul lorette <plorette@cln.etc.bc.ca>
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from:         paul lorette <plorette@cln.etc.bc.ca>
subject:      ig in school?

hello fans,
i just thought i'd share with you a neat ig experience.  i teach grade four
and five and i thought i'd
try playing some ig during class time.  i put 1200 curfews into the cd
player and let it go.  the kids loved it.  one started to sing along with
"power of two" because his "mother has it at home."  the kids were soooo
quiet during "river" by j.m, as they worked away on their spelling.  it was
a real magic moment.
some of the kids got up and danced during joking.  i thought at that moment
"i love my job!!"

thanks for listening.
paul  lorette  (plorette@cln.etc.bc.ca)
terrace, bc, canada

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from:         mark anthony donajkowski <madonajk@alpha.delta.edu>
subject:      re: a dying child: rumor gone rampant
x-to:         shelley dianne shay <shelley@jove.acs.unt.edu>
in-reply-to:  <pine.sol.3.91.960619233222.22120b-100000@jove.acs.unt.edu>

folks on the list listen pay attention here okay your letters are going to
the list what is happening is someone who is on the lists mailbox is full
so you are getting a bounce back from that persons full mailbox not from
the list itself the other members on the list should be getting your mail
hugs anthony van pyre


on wed, 19 jun 1996, shelley dianne shay wrote:

> this is the 3rd time i've tried to send this mesg. to the list... i don't
> know why it keeps bouncing back to me.  if you've gotten this msg.
> before, i apologize... but i have not seen it posted yet.
>
> ---------- forwarded message ----------
>
> this 'story' of a dying child wanting to break the guiness book of world
> records is about 10 years old.  this has been covered on several news
> magazines such as 20/20 and dateline.  not only did this boy get a
> million cards, he got several billion cards.  he and his family have
> publicly requested that people stop sending cards.  volunteers for the
> make a wish foundation go through each card to check for monetary
> donations, of which there are about 1 per 20 or so cards.  they are
> paying several thousands of dollars a year to simply store all of the
> cards they have yet to go through, plus the continual stream of new cards.
>
> the good news is, the boy who was dying, is now cured, and is relatively
> healthy.  they don't want any more cards.  how do i know that the boy
> mentioned in the below included message:
>
> > help a dying child: craig shirgold is a 7 year old boy who lives in keen,
>
> is the same kid?  everytime i hear this story on the internet (and i've
> only been on the internet 1.5 yrs... and have heard this story repeated
> about a dozen times...), the boy's name and age are different, the only
> constant is his gender... the people from the guiness book of world
> records have closed any and all future entries for people wanting the
> most get-well cards... which means not only for dying little boys, but
> for retired nuns, veterans, puppies, etc... they have given the record to
> whatever that kid's name really is (i can't remember) and said that it
> will never be broken... because at this point, the cards are literally
> inumerable.
>
> the bottom line:  if you want to help a dying child, donate your time
> and/or your money to an organization dedicated to helping children...
> sending a get-well card to this kid will not help anyone.
>
> if you hear anyone else talking about this, please pass on the above info
> to them... if anyone doubts the info i've posted here, please don't
> hesitate to contact the folks at guiness or make-a-wish foundation.
>
> keeping you in the know,
> -shelley
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binky writes:
>squeaky...squeaky..squeaky ! squeaky !
> squeaky! squeaky! squeaky !!!!"
>(tee hee:)
>
>hey !!!
>don't give that girl some gum !!!
>(i mean it now !)
>
>love !!
>binky

i reply "what ewe2?"

..still crazy after all these years.. (p. simon)

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subject:      nigc(disappear fear)

hi!
kinda late for me but but just got back from seeing df for the first
time at fletcher's in balmer. great show. and get this..odetta was
sitting in the front row and i got to shake her hand..wow! i have loved
her stuff for a long time( and she's older than me). it was a cd release
party for "seed in the sahara". and they are playing there 6/20 also, if
any one is in the area. it's a fairly new venue in fells' point with a
good sound system.

g'nite

m

..still crazy after all these years.. (p. simon)

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subject:      re: nigc: audre lorde

in a message dated 96-06-19 23:10:37 edt, kim writes:

>i realize i will probably appear *very* ignorant here ( but then, i am... so
>where's the fear??? ) :-) but, uh... i donno who audre lorde is... can
>someone enlighten me??? am i missing out on something really really, fer
>sure, good???
>peace... kim.

audre lorde was a fierce black lesbian woman poet warrior who
was involved in the civil rights movement, feminism and the gay
rights movement. she died in 1992 after a long battle
with breast cancer about which she wrote the incredible book
"the cancer journals".
although i have yet to read it...my literature prof. says that "zami--
a new spelling of my name" is a must read. as far as lit. goes..
she's 'in the cannon'...:)
i remember her for her powerful and intoxicating speaking voice..
i would tape her lectures from the radio  back in the 80's and listen
to them over and over...i remember most a lecture of hers on 'coalition'.
i don't know why...but the way she said the word 'coalition' stuck with
me. words had a strange and wonderful power when spoken
by audre lorde. i believed her.......
the most moving point in the documentary for me is at the end when
her voice is ravished by the cancer and she talks about how
much a part of her poetry her voice was and then reads
'today is not the day'.
she was an inspiration to a lot of people...a national treasure...
and left us too soon.

   and when we speak
   we are afraid
   our words will not be heard
   or welcomed

   but when we are silent
   we are still afraid

   so

   it is better to speak
   remembering
   we were never ment
   to survive

(audre lorde, 'a litany for survival')

peace
claire
(by the way....amy ray included an excerpt from a lorde poem
in the liner notes for "nomads * indians * saints"  )

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subject:      feeling sorry and stupid

okay, i delurk for a moment and i blow it big time.  i am so sorry that =
i=20
reposted a complete digest when i tried responding to the list with my =
boot offer etc  . . . please no flames regarding my stupidity.  yes i am =
computer=20
illiterate and am hating microsoft exchange at this moment in time.  it =
will never happen again.  i learn quickly from my mistakes.  anyway, i =
have already had an overwhelming response to my offer, so for now, =
please no more responses.  i will be happy to tape some more once i get =
these out.  this list is great!
cami

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date:         thu, 20 jun 1996 04:16:33 edt
reply-to:     gail_anthony@abtex#u#north#u#novell.ccmail.compuserve.com
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subject:      newport folk fest tickets

     hi all,

     just a wee note to say that if you are in the same boat as myself - ie
     coming from a "foreign" country for the nff and you've bought your
     tickets from ticketmonster - don't expect said tickets to drop through
     your letterbox.  i spoke to ticketmonster customer services yesterday
     and they don't mail tickets out to "foreign" customers (a point the
     omitted to tell me when i booked them in the first place !!).  instead
     you have to pick them up from fort adams state park "box office" on
     the day of the festival with your mastercard (or whatever credit card
     you used) plus photo id.

     toodles :)

     gail

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reply-to:     gwen keyt <gkeyt@paul.spu.edu>
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from:         gwen keyt <gkeyt@paul.spu.edu>
subject:      re: ig in school?
x-to:         paul lorette <plorette@cln.etc.bc.ca>
in-reply-to:  <9606200512.aa10114@sparky.etc.bc.ca>

whoa, that is way cool.  if i could turn the clock back i'd pick you for
my 5th grade teacher!  :)  (sorry, i liked my 4th grade teacher too
much...but i'd have traded mr. shaw for an ig fanatic any day!)  thanks
for sharing that !

*************************************************************************
"when you were born, you cried and the world rejoiced.  live your life in
such a way that, when you die, the world cries and you rejoice."--chief
seattle

******gwen keyt******
seattle pacific university
bsn class of 1997
gkeyt@paul.spu.edu

on wed, 19 jun 1996, paul lorette wrote:

> hello fans,
> i just thought i'd share with you a neat ig experience.  i teach grade four
> and five and i thought i'd
> try playing some ig during class time.  i put 1200 curfews into the cd
> player and let it go.  the kids loved it.  one started to sing along with
> "power of two" because his "mother has it at home."  the kids were soooo
> quiet during "river" by j.m, as they worked away on their spelling.  it was
> a real magic moment.
> some of the kids got up and danced during joking.  i thought at that moment
> "i love my job!!"
>
> thanks for listening.
> paul  lorette  (plorette@cln.etc.bc.ca)
> terrace, bc, canada
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subject:      re: delivery failure

hb@sperrin.ulst.ac.uk does not exist. please remove from your list as
we are are getting numerous e-mail errors.

thank you

norman blair
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subject:      (fwd) re: delivery failuremigc

oh no!!!

sorry to bore you all with this, but i think my time may be up
here...just got a message from the main-computer-man here at the
university (see below) and i have to get off the list...i don't know
if i can do it...what will i do without y'all

in absolute distress

helene :(

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from:          "norman blair" <nc.blair@ulst.ac.uk>
organization:  university of ulster
to:            h.burningham@ulst.ac.uk
date:          thu, 20 jun 1996 11:42:58 gmt
subject:       re: delivery failure
priority:      normal

as postmaster i have received numerous messages from a list called
indigo-girls which is trying to mail hb@sperrin.ulst.ac.uk
each time such a message arrives it creates an error.  i am simply
trying to notify whoever indigo-girls are and tell them to stop
sending mail to this address.

> > hb@sperrin.ulst.ac.uk does not exist. please remove from your list as
> > we are are getting numerous e-mail errors.
>
> what list?  do you mean that people are writing to
> hb@sperrin.ulst.ac.uk assuming that it is my e-mail address, because
> i have never seen this address before and have never told anyone to
> use it.
>
> please explain what the problem is as this message means absolutely
> nothing to me and i can't do anything about the problem if i have no
> idea whats up.
>
> thanks
>
> helene burningham
>
>
>
>
> "steer clear of the shore, the coast is rough and rocky"   kate wolf
>
> helene burningham <h.burningham@ulst.ac.uk>
> coastal research group
> department of environmental studies
> university of ulster
> coleraine bt52 1sa
> northern ireland
> 44(0)1265 324010
>
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"steer clear of the shore, the coast is rough and rocky"   kate wolf

helene burningham <h.burningham@ulst.ac.uk>
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subject:      from: mtngrl6

   to all my pals,
       sorry but birthday list duties have fallen to the wayside, i have run
off with the love of my life....and i no longer have access to a computer.
       please send no more email to my screen name "mtngrl6@aol.com" as my
account, i am sure, has been deleted by now.
       if someone else would like to assume the birthday list responsibilities
i will be more than happy to snail mail the data via floppy disk(s) to the
person of your choice. email back to this internet address with the name and
snail mail address of the person you wish the disk(s) to be sent to and i will
forward them asap.

       "so, we are ok, we're fine, baby i'm here to stop your crying....chase
all the ghosts from your head."

       my apologies to all the birthday people i have missed, but---life is
calling---you all understand i know....thanks for the memories, maybe someday
we can reconnect.

                              take care all,
                                  mtngrl6 aka rachel

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subject:      thanks to all

     thanks to all who took the time to welcome me, the "newbie", to the
     group.  greg - i appreciate both the personal and public apology...no
     hard feelings *shake*  anyways, since signing-on i've had lots of fun
     reading all the discussions.  so, hi to all.  it's nice meeting
     everyone.

     holly, ig fan in a suit

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subject:      po2

hey!  itired this once before, so we will see if this one atually gets
where it is going.  the earlier message about the depth of support and
emotion expressed in this song it it right on the head.  po2 always
leaves me feeling a little more positive and renewed.  i love the simplicity
of the song.  i really like that it is "we're ok, we're fine" not just
"you're ok" or "i'm fine".  it a joint effort that involves two people for
better or worse; you don't have to face that monster under your bed alone.
we can all use a monster slayer at times!

this is one of my faves, and i have been singing it in my head all week.
at least it's drowning out the other voices in my head! :)  thanks for
letting me share.  sorry if you got my last message also.  i didn't!
later.  lia

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rachel (aka mntngrl) writes:
>   to all my pals,
>       sorry but birthday list duties have fallen to the wayside, i have run
>off with the love of my life....and i no longer have access to a computer.
>       please send no more email to my screen name "mtngrl6@aol.com" as my
>account, i am sure, has been deleted by now.
ahhhhh.... the plot thickens... could *this* then be the "full mailbox"
causing so much concern to hapless listers?????? hmmmmmm.....
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
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"i had a dream i was your hero. damn!
      i wish i was your lover!"
---------sophie b. hawkins----------------
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subject:      a personal incident update, thanks, moronic nj politican, (nigc)-

hi everyone!

sorry this is another nigc post, but i *had* to share a few things with you all!
as far as my post about "a personal incident" i thank you all for your replies!
i promise to be more careful on the train!  as for the diner thing, the diner
is located down the street from my alma mater, rutgers, and i told a few of
my friends there about it. (i lived in special interest housing my senior year
and one of the interests housed in my dorm was "gay, lesbian, bisexual studies"-i let my house buddies in this group know).  they said they will check it out
and let me know.  nothing to report  yet...

thanks for all you're intersting comments and suggestions!  i know i owe a few
of you personal e-mails and i will send them but it is hard sometines because i am at work and i am supposed to be, well, working...

something i really  have to tell you all!  the idiot of the year award goes to
new jersey assembywoman marion crecco (similiar to my last name but, fortuantely, not related to me) who sponsored a bill in the nj assembly to ban same sex
marriages.  this act alone merits the idiot of the year award but you've got
to hear her reasoning...

she said (and i quote) "i don't hate homosexuals... we just want to keep
marriage as we know it."  she also said her proposed legislation had nothing to
do with vlaues or morals and it is just an attempt to protect families and
busiensses from higher insurance rates. (reported in a nj newpaper)

it gets worse!!!!!
she does make a moral judgement and implies homosexuality is unnatural.
check this out!  "'i've been to (six flags) great adventure' where she had
seen animals (on the "safari drive through" and they did not engage in
homosexual acts." (quote from the star-ledger)

yes!  that's it!  she spent 20 minutes driving through the miserable
safari (sorry, i have a problem with safari's ---- it's like amy said in
the watershed video, "it's like going to the zoo and realizing all the animals
are in cages) and she has become an expert on what animals do in their "natural"environment.  since when are african monkeys and lions (i think) and other
african mamals native to jackson, nj right off the nj turnpike?!
...and now this woman has the audacity to try and inact such stupid legislation and base it on such compeltely absurd and unsound and irrational and stupid
agruments!

i think i am becoming the "straight" (if that's what i am...) crusader for
gay rights. (actually i just kind of believe and support human rights but...).

sorry, had to vent.  i also had to share this elected officals rationale!

in the spirit of the earth,
cynthia crecca (note it is crecca not crecco like this moran assemblywoman---
maybe i should change my name when i marry so i can get rid of any possible
association from this woman.)

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from:         michael reynolds <asl@gandalf.umcs.maine.edu>
subject:      boycott peta!

i am sorry, but peta, and they will deny it, is complancent about the
terrorism the animal liberation front does and it was shown that funds were
actually diverted from their money to the alf.  how many cures have we found
for other animals using their own species to help them live better.
     furthermore, name one computer that can simulate exactly the
progression of a disease, it can not be done because reality, andf all of
the variables that encompases could not be figured out, no matter how many
sun workstations you have.
    no cure for aids if it requires animal research. who is this person to
even begin to espouse his views on a medical / ethical community he is not a
member of the medical establishment nor has a medical training. neither do any of the other terrorist
that bomb buildings or destroyed hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of
research that can save human lives? do you think that medical ethics does
not already have stringent guidelines? i am not talking abon shampoo in
rabbit's eyes here, i am talking about cancer treatments
    furthermore, i believe the publicity stunts that act as a farce of
"political protest" such as dousing people who wear fur with ketchup or
havingf no brain talk show hosts like ricki lane get arrested only devalues
real protests and oppression going on  with any marginalized minority, such
as race, religeon, or disability. i consider myself very progressively
minded, and i don't need a naked picture of some rock star and her lover to
motivate my political activism
mike r.
ps. i know i will be flamed as "not caring about animals" but whatever, i do
believe in many other organizations that do protect animal habitats, i am
sorry this may seem so preachy, but there is more to one side to this issue,
which probably shouldn't be on the ig list, but i refuse to be complacent.

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subject:      the audre lorde connection to ar?

at 02:12 am 6/20/96 -0400, claire wrote:

>audre lorde was a fierce black lesbian woman poet warrior who
>was involved in the civil rights movement, feminism and the gay
>rights movement. she died in 1992 after a long battle
>with breast cancer about which she wrote the incredible book
>"the cancer journals".
thanks, claire ( and amy and abigail who wrote me privately ) i'm now very
sorry i missed the show.
i wonder when and where amy ray tapped into audre lorde. perhaps in school,
or on the radio, like claire.... does anyone know? if she was so influential
in a's life that a included a quote from her in the liner notes from n*i*s
than i want to read some of what audre lorde had to say. of course... just
reading over the brief summation of her life, and the poem that claire so
generously shared with us, i'd want to read her writings anyway. :-)
peace all... and a really great day... kim.
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
     <just kim>rcn@prcn.org
"i had a dream i was your hero. damn!
      i wish i was your lover!"
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from:         nikki shields <nikki_shields@mpbc-b.pbs.org>
organization: public broadcasting service
subject:      ig b-days?

this may have been asked before, but does anyone know the birth dates & years
of amy & emily?

i'm new to the list, so hi!  to all of you.  i don't really have time to post
a bio right now, but i'm having fun reading your messages so far!

peace,
nikki
=^..^=  (meow!)

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subject:      re: a personal incident update, thanks, moronic nj politican,
              (nigc)-

at 09:48 am 6/20/96 est, cynthia *crecca*... not crecco... wrote:

>she does make a moral judgement and implies homosexuality is unnatural.
>check this out!  "'i've been to (six flags) great adventure' where she had
>seen animals (on the "safari drive through" and they did not engage in
>homosexual acts." (quote from the star-ledger)
you know... i spent a whole day at a game farm in langly and not *once* did
i see an animal engaging in a het act. ( hmmmmmm.... how *do* those things
reproduce???? ) i guess then, by marion crecco's reasoning.... well... you
get it.
i second the "moron" and raise you three.
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"i had a dream i was your hero. damn!
      i wish i was your lover!"
---------sophie b. hawkins----------------
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subject:      re: that blank subject message & deb's flame
in-reply-to:  <960619194500_220907703@emout13.mail.aol.com>

jules takes a deep breath to delurk for the first time in a while ...

hey everybody whose been here for more than a few days ... does all of
this flame war remind you of a few months back ... seems the natives are
getting restless again !!

jules

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from:         trant batey <twb@zycor.lgc.com>
subject:      re: the guy who nabbed squeaky fromm

> i did not know that he was married with children.  i can see where that would
> complicate an already awkward situation.
> this story?
>

i may have falsely assumed that, when i heard he was a closet homosexual.  what
i knew strickly came from a sixty second bit in a movie.

trant

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subject:      1990:  starspot - amy ray

november 16, 1990 -- the island ear

starspot
amy ray of indigo girls

full name: amy ray.
born: atlanta, ga. 1964.
most significant achievement: successful relationship.
career goal: happiness.
last book i read & liked: the clockwinder, ann tyler.
last movie i saw & liked: small change, directed by f. truffaut.
favorite song: "strange fruit."
favorite album: pirates, rickie lee jones.
first record bought: elton john's don't shoot me - i'm only the piano player.
last record bought: living colour's time's up.
musical heroes: aerosmith, joan baez, patti smith.
favorite singer: paul westerberg.
favorite musician playing same instrument: richie havens - guitar.
non-musical heroes: harvey gant.
favorite cartoon character: wile e. coyote.
oldest childhood memory: grilling hot dogs, camping with my brother in my
backyard.
first crush: bernie taupin.
most embarassing moment: i was mixing the album and didn't know i had cotton
in my ear.
favorite place to play: atlanta.
favorite food: beans and rice.
favorite drink: cola.
favorite color: green.
most prized possession: my books, my plastic models.
favorite way to pass the time on the tour bus: watching spinal tap.
favorite expression: cool!
dream date: jodie foster and /or matt dillon.
favorite magazine/newspaper: national geographic.
if i could be any animal i'd be a: wolf
my epitaph: i'm not dead yet.

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from:         monique barbanson <mhb@entelechy.com>
subject:      nigc: the other side on tour in the northwest this week

hi folks,

this past saturday we went to st mike's downtown palo alto to listen =

to the other side, an sf-based female acoustic duo. we stayed for both =

sets and were really glad we did. the second set was even better than =

the first one. they have beautiful songs with lots of great harmony =

singing and thoughtful lyrics. i'm really more of an amy person than =

an emily person, but i loved their stuff.
they announced that they were going on a whirlwind northwest tour. if =

you can catch them, you're in for a treat. here are their dates:

=80 thursday june 20: the good room, 8pm, 290e. main st, ashland or, =

482-1928
=80 friday june 21: cafe lena, 9pm, 2239 se hawthorn blvd, portland or, =

238-7087
=80 saturday june 22nd: oregon folklife festival, 4pm, corvallis, or, =

753-3283
=80 sunday june 23rd: seattle gay pride fest, main stage, 11:45am, =

720-4075
=80 monday june 24th: the wild rose, 7:30pm, 1021 e. pike, seattle wa, =

324-9210
=80 wednesday june 26th: open mic at madison's cafe, starts at 8pm, 3803 =

delridge way sw seattle wa 935-2412
=80 thursday june 27th kcbs radio 1:30pm, seattle: live interview.
=80 friday june 28th: buffalo gals gallery 8pm 455 w. 1st eugene or =

689-2312. s/s $2-6.
=80 sat june 29th: roadrunner coffehouse 8pm, 2123n. 40th seattle wa. =

$6.

also: i'll be at the pele juje concert at maritime hall in sf this =

friday. drop me a note if you're going too!

have fun,

monique

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              grrl o' cognitive dissonance" <t1kchevalier@wellesley.edu>
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              grrl o' cognitive dissonance" <t1kchevalier@wellesley.edu>
subject:      re: nigc: audre lorde
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>although i have yet to read it...my literature prof. says that "zami--
>a new spelling of my name" is a must read. as far as lit. goes..
>she's 'in the cannon'...:)
               ^^^^^^
uh-oh -- who's going to shoot her out?
:)
kirsten

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in a message dated 96-06-20 02:02:12 edt, mmacvey@attach.net (m.macvey)
writes:

<< binky writes:
>squeaky...squeaky..squeaky ! squeaky !
> squeaky! squeaky! squeaky !!!!"
>(tee hee:)
>
>hey !!!
>don't give that girl some gum !!!
>(i mean it now !)
>
>love !!
>binky

i reply "what ewe2?"
  >>


is it just me or is everyone getting a little wacky?       it's not just here
either- on the ani list too......
it's like we're all on this spiral going into
looniness.................................


: )
rick
calls looniness home

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     paul:

     i know what you mean! my 3-year old son, pauly, loves "least
     complicated" from 1200 curfews.  everytime i go to play something--he
     demands that i "play 'start clean-slated' daddy." when i put it on,
     he likes to beat emily to the punch with lines like 'he was so cute,'
     '..and that was just the beginning of the rest of my life!' he also
     knows the words and melody inside-out. i like to watch him do amy
     saying "everybody" at the na na nanananana! part.
                                                paul(nomad)sgroi

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(sorry about my previous message, mike - my !@#$ mailer screwed up on that.
)

>i am sorry, but peta, and they will deny it, is complancent about the
>terrorism
how do you define terrorism? if terrorism is simply breaking the law in
support of political and ethical goals, then martin luther king, jr.,
george washington, henry david thoreau were terrorists. however, no life
has ever been taken by an animal liberationist.

> the animal liberation front does and it was shown that funds were
>actually diverted from their money to the alf.
shown by whom?

> how many cures have we found
>for other animals using their own species to help them live better.
name one. and prove that it couldn't possibly have been discovered via non-
animal means.

>    furthermore, name one computer that can simulate exactly the
>progression of a disease, it can not be done because reality, andf all of
>the variables that encompases could not be figured out, no matter how many
>sun workstations you have.
exactly! and due to reality, and the numerous differences between humans
and other animals, no animal model can ever simulate a human disease
exactly. the thalidomide disaster happened because said drug was
extensively tested on animals and "proven" to be safe. it turned out that
humans reacted differently. how many more tragedies have to occur before we
realize that animal experimentation doesn't work?

>   no cure for aids if it requires animal research. who is this person to
>even begin to espouse his views on a medical / ethical community he is not a
>member of the medical establishment nor has a medical training.
actually, there are thousands of doctors and medical researchers who would
be happy to explain to you why animal research is irrelevant and immoral.

> neither do any of the other terrorist
>that bomb buildings
er, can you give some documentation to support your claim that buildings
have been bombed by animl liberationists? i'm not familiar with any such
incident.

> or destroyed hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of
>research that can save human lives? do you think that medical ethics does
>not already have stringent guidelines?
yes, i think so. such guidelines exist, but are enforced by committees of
researchers themselves - we have the foxes guarding the chickens, as it
were. in addition, all the legislation that pertains to the use of animls
in research stipulates that rules about animal welfare need not be followed
when *researchers themselves* judge that following such rules would
interfere with their research. it's a ridiculous situation.

> i am not talking abon shampoo in
>rabbit's eyes here, i am talking about cancer treatments
>    furthermore, i believe the publicity stunts that act as a farce of
>"political protest" such as dousing people who wear fur with ketchup or
the idea that animal activists pour ketchup on fur-wearers is a myth.
next you'll be telling me that 1970s feminists burned bras.

>havingf no brain talk show hosts like ricki lane get arrested only devalues
>real protests and oppression going on  with any marginalized minority, such
>as race, religeon, or disability.
for most people, it is inconceivable that animals are a marginalized group
deserving justice. the same was once true about african-americans, women,
gays and lesbians, and most other oppressed minorities.

> i consider myself very progressively
>minded, and i don't need a naked picture of some rock star and her lover to
>motivate my political activism
good for you. some people, however, are not yet as enlightened as you are,
and may need the jolt that peta's ads provide in order to begin thinking
about animal issues.


"it is the fate of every truth to be an object of ridicule when first
acclaimed" -- albert schweitzer

"what we are saying if we support experimentation on animals is this: 'i
would like to eat, wash in, inhale, drink, wear, or in some other way use a
certain substance (which the human race has survived without, or with, for
millions of years), but i am frightened what nasty effect that substance
may have on me. therefore, i will try it out on something weaker than
myself who cannot refuse or object, so that if that someone screams,
becomes ill, or dies, then i know not to use that substance.' that is
cowardice!" -- john bryant

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at 11:04 am 6/20/96 -0400, rick wrote:
>is it just me or is everyone getting a little wacky?       it's not just here
>either- on the ani list too......
>it's like we're all on this spiral going into
>looniness.................................
>
there is can be only one answer: solar winds
( hey... it worked for the dad in calvin and hobbes... ) :-)
peace + pleasent spiraling ( i can't talk right now! we have cows!!!!
<twister> moooo!!!! )
kim.
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subject:      i don't wanna know

can anybody tell me what it is that michelle malone is saying during the
ending of idwn, especially on strange fire? that is, i assume it's michelle.
i have to admit, in my mind her and emily sort of blur together in that
song, at least on that recording of it. thanks :)

                             -abigail

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on thu, 20 jun 1996, richard sayre iii wrote:

> in a message dated 96-06-20 02:02:12 edt, mmacvey@attach.net (m.macvey)
> writes:
>
>
> is it just me or is everyone getting a little wacky?       it's not just here
> either- on the ani list too......
> it's like we're all on this spiral going into
> looniness.................................
>
>
>
>
> : )
> rick
> calls looniness home
>
rick ( and i acknowledge i can only speak for myself here .. but i
strongly suspect others are the same )

        some of us started that way !!

jules

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subject:      caroline aiken - "this side up" tour

hey y'all,

summer greetings to everyone.  just wanted to drop off caroline aiken's
latest tour dates and some words from caroline.  actually, her note only
makes sense if you know that last week, caroline and her daughter, page, had
a vehicular mishap on the road from kerrville to dallas.  (the vehicle they
were traveling in blew a tire and flipped over.)   they are amazingly fine
-- walked away with a few bruises. caroline promises to keep it right side
up this time around.  here's her note:

"hey everybody!
i'll be hosting the first-ever acoustic music/demolition derby show...we'll
rock, then we'll roll:)
buckle up and bring your helmets...(did  alice say you'll "need your head"?)
see you soon...
caroline"

june 21: players, spartanburg sc
june 22: hemingway's, columbia sc --10pm
june 23: wixv, hilton head sc -- (on air at 11pm)
june 24: listening room at coconuts, hilton head sc
june 26: characters--pensacola,fla. 904-492-2936 8pm
june 30: island rock cafe, st. simons island ga 6pm 912-638-0245
july 5: st simons island festival, st simons island ga 7pm
july 8: olympic village, atlanta ga -- 6:15pm
july 12: troupe's coffeeshop, quincy ma(phone? time?)
july 13: wintertide, vineyard haven ma
july 14: club passim, cambridge ma -- (songwriters night live on wers)
july 15: bitter end, new york ny -- 7:45pm
july 19: full moon, roanoke va9pm
july 20: coffee pot, roanoke va - -(open for radar rose)
july 24: olympic village, atlanta ga 6pm
july 28: kpig, watsonville ca -- live on sandy shore's "backstage pass" show
july 28: boomerang (gavin sfo3 showcase), san francisco ca -- 7pm
aug 1: sassy ann's, knoxville tn
aug 3: (private party), carlton river plantation sc
aug 5: olympic village, atlanta ga -- 5pm
aug 10: the red light atl,ga 404-874-7828 10pm
sept 1: bumbershoot festival, seattle wa --(wild stage, 5pm)
sept 7: john henry's, eugene or
sept 21: fiddler's green coffeehouse, atlanta ga, 8pm 404-371-9371
nov 1: habitat for humanity benefit, scottsdale az -- (venue tba)
nov 8: harwood center, albuquerque, nm
may 17, 1997:  eckles conference center auditorium, logan, ut

and finally, our company has set up new e-mail addresses for ourselves and
our clients.  you can write to caroline these days at caroline@flylive.com.

happy trails,

lorene machado
manager
on the fly entertainment, p.o. box 39952, los angeles, ca  90039
phone:  (818) 787-2468, fax:  (818) 787-3031
e-mail:  lorene@flylive.com
caroline aiken website:  http://www.hidwater.com/aiken/

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> how do you define terrorism? if terrorism is simply breaking the law in
> support of political and ethical goals, then martin luther king, jr.,
> george washington, henry david thoreau were terrorists. however, no life
> has ever been taken by an animal liberationist.

<applause>
well stated, grrrl....the whole post.  a lot of people are so brainwashed
by the propaganda from the meat industry, medical field, etc., that they
assume that in every lab the mice are treated like the snippets you see
on cnn where they are running mazes... but they fail to show you things
like bashing in baboons' skulls to 'see what happens'... and the whole
concept that the only way we can cure a disease is by using a living
creature as a lab tool is flawed... yet many scientist are taught as
children, then as students that this is the way things are done, and you
just accept it and go on.

also, concerning the dousing of fur-wearers w/ ketchup... that's retarded...
i've never heard of such a thing... usually during a peta protest they
will use furs that were donated and pour the stuff on their own property...
methinks that if this even happened once, a good lawsuit would destroy
the organization.  my mother wears furs in the winter... i'm against it,
but she's my mother... and if someone poured something on her property or
her, i'd totally have to re-arrange their chromosomes by hand.

i'm a supporter of animal rights, yet i don't judge those who are not, i
just try to inform & educate.

-shelley

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subject:      re: boycott peta!

>>havingf no brain talk show hosts like ricki lane get arrested only devalues
>>real protests and oppression going on  with any marginalized minority, such
>>as race, religeon, or disability.
>for most people, it is inconceivable that animals are a marginalized group
>deserving justice. the same was once true about african-americans, women,
>gays and lesbians, and most other oppressed minorities.

i love the world around me and have, over time, learned the need to be
respectful of the things that i come in contact with. i feel quite blessed
to be a part of this world and everyday something about its natural beauty
impresses me.

i also love my dog dusty, the goofiest golden retriever one could know. i
would do anything for her and would never want any harm to come to her. i
love her other four legged buddies too: asker, c-moon and sappho, just to
name a few. i say hi to the bunnies, ducks and squirrels we see on our
walks and when dusty grabbed a sparrow out of mid air one morning and
swallowed it, i felt pain for the mother bird who probably waited up all
that night waiting for junior to return home. i also cringe when i see
road-kill and i'm dismayed to hear the stories about other animal
sufferings.

but (and if i could put that in 60 point type i would) to put animal rights
on the same level as the rights of african-americans, women and gays and
lesbians is extremely offensive to me and belittles the fight of each of
those groups. last i checked, dusty had no need to find fair housing and
police department that wouldn't pull her over when she drives thru a
predominately white neighborhood. she also had no need to find an employer
who would pay her the same as her male counterpart nor was she afraid she
could lose her job if she officially came out to her co-workers.

in the words of a really dear friend, "don't be so open minded that your
brains fall out."

deb

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rick--don't worry.  i have it from excellent sources that there is an
actual firefighter on this list!!
-reggi

on thu, 20 jun 1996, richard sayre iii
wrote:

> ;)  it's cool, it's cool....
> the way i understand it, someone on the list has a full mailbox & somehow the
> messages are bouncing back to us....
> it doesn't happen often on the list, though. :)
>
> purty soon it'll be okay, but all messages are going through. :)
>
> rick
> afraid to post without a fire extinguisher handy....
>
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subject:      my friend, tom.

hey all... last night my friend tom finally passed away in his sleep.
"fare thee well my bright star i watched your taillights blaze into
nothingness..."
peace all... kim.
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subject:      re: a personal incident update, thanks, moronic nj politican,
              (nigc)-
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well, let's just add those stupid commenys to the string of stupid
rationales againts gay rights.  in the advocate this week, my fave
supreme court justice, antonin scalia was quoted as saying something to
the affect that colorodans have every right to despise homosexuals.  like
my roomate said we have the right to despise mariah carrey but that
doesn't mean she shoudn't have rights(sorry mariah fans).  bill clinton
reafirmed his stance on gay marriage in that same issue and when asked
about domestic partner issues he said that it would be best handled at
the state level.  aaah polititions.  as for the argument that animals do
not engage in homosexual acts, my frind the anthro. major once ahd to
watch a whole hour about monkey sex and yes two males did get togather
and they also engaged in jocylen elders suggested passtime.  there's two
conservative theories shot down right there.
                                                ending the ramblings here
                                                        amy

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              (nigc)-

having grown up in the country, i have noticed that some dogs also exibit
homosexual tendencies.  other, on the other hand, seem to have an affinity
for dockers.

"down fido!"

trant


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> to: multiple recipients of list indigo-girls <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
>
> well, let's just add those stupid commenys to the string of stupid
> rationales againts gay rights.  in the advocate this week, my fave
> supreme court justice, antonin scalia was quoted as saying something to
> the affect that colorodans have every right to despise homosexuals.  like
> my roomate said we have the right to despise mariah carrey but that
> doesn't mean she shoudn't have rights(sorry mariah fans).  bill clinton
> reafirmed his stance on gay marriage in that same issue and when asked
> about domestic partner issues he said that it would be best handled at
> the state level.  aaah polititions.  as for the argument that animals do
> not engage in homosexual acts, my frind the anthro. major once ahd to
> watch a whole hour about monkey sex and yes two males did get togather
> and they also engaged in jocylen elders suggested passtime.  there's two
> conservative theories shot down right there.
>                                                 ending the ramblings here
>                                                         amy
>

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subject:      re: boycott peta!

one thing that really bothers me with the reasoning here,
is the idea that medical research is not possible without
cruelty to animals.  that is absolutely not true!!!!

most research can proceed very well without involving
animals at all.  most cases where animals are treat very
inhumanely can be totally avoided.  even in cases where
the only apparent solution is to use animals, there are
humane ways to do it.  not kill the baboon to save the
human, or  even worse to torment the poor fellow.  some
of these poor animals are given repeated surgeries,
deliberately breaking bones, removing organs, etc. and
then being forced to undergo painful recoveries.  they are
injected with drugs and infected diseases that cause slow
and painful deaths.  and to what end?  these tests are
repeated over and over again.  even when they already
know the result!  its bad enough doing it once, but to be
subjected to it do it over and over again?  what's the point?

regarding the aids treatment using bone marrow from
the baboon. it is extremely questionable if it even works
in the first place!  this is a very desperate measure with
little or no proven results.

sorry about the bandwidth here, but i too will not be
complacent!

- - howdy...

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subject:      re: 1990: starspot - amy ray

this was good information, but why didn't they do an article on emily, too?
i'd like to know more facts about her, also (!especially! =). they could've
done two separate ones since there are two indigo girls...
i had a couple of questions/comments.  feel free to delete if you don't want
to read them (like you need my permission or something).  =)

>full name: amy ray.
what about the elizabeth?  isn't that her middle name?

>career goal: happiness.
didn't she say at the end of watershed that she just wanted to write better
songs, and didn't care about being happy??

>favorite song: "strange fruit."
does anyone know who sang that song?  i'm so ignorant sometimes... that was
"strange fruit", and not "strange fire", right?

>favorite cartoon character: wile e. coyote.
well, she was the first to hold the lone coyote...i guess she felt
sympathetic for him
since he was out in the desert with only a roadrunner for company. =)

>oldest childhood memory: grilling hot dogs, camping with my brother in my

  backyard.
hmm... i guess she wasn't a vegetarian back then.  i seem to remember a
picture of
a hot dog-eating (ack--that was _not_ "a hot, dog-eating"!!!  no comma!) amy
in the
rop tour book.

>most embarassing moment: i was mixing the album and didn't know i had cotton
in
  my ear.
that was hilarious!  sounds like something i would do... at least it wasn't a
banana in her ear.  =]

>favorite food: beans and rice.
  cuz das what she eats!  =)

>favorite color: green.
  a-ha!  now the truth comes out!  shouldn't her favorite color be indigo?!

>dream date: jodie foster and /or matt dillon.
at the same time?!  amy could at least go on a separate date with each of
them... oh, well.  she's a busy person, i suppose... =}

>if i could be any animal i'd be a: wolf
but how could a wolf hold a lone coyote?  (which animal is bigger, anyway?)

>my epitaph: i'm not dead yet.
tee hee!  wonder where _this_ one came from?  shouldn't it be "i'm not dead
(yet)"?

if you've read this far, thank you!  i was bored, and when i get bored my
mind starts
to wander... =\

peace, love, and tangential thinking,
ponygirl, a.k.a. carrie

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subject:      the animal kingdom

*grin*
i thought i'd add.....
i've always hated this conversation:

person a: well, homosexuality is not natural!
person b: sure it is....lots of animals do it!
person a: no way! what animal?
person b: dogs, for example
person a: well, i hope that we're better than dogs!


talk about going around in a circle!
-sherry <--who keeps trying to get her dog to stop chasing his tail
(his tail itches!!!!) *smile*

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subject:      daniel tsang read! (nigc)

got your order...no email address on the envelope though....your label is
sooo small and to me, almost illegible.  i hope it works ok :)
take care
rob

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subject:      ig 1996 list shirts: #4 orders in as of 6-20-96
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the following orders are in to me as of 6-19-96.

deadline is july 9th!  no exceptions can be made, so please hurry!

thanks everyone!

amy mednick 1 xxl
jeni saulino 1 xl
laura rice 1 xl
steven reynolds 1 xl
kirsten chevalier 1 xl
greg flamer 1 xl
lisa savu 1 xl
gwen drueger 1 l
randy rohrer 2 xxl
brian harvey 1 xl
camille kearl 2 xxl 1xl
connie tsuchiya 1 l
joan ferguson 1 xl
kristina - 1 xxl
derek moulaison 1 xl
diane krause 1 xl
craig haskins 1 xl 1 xxl
jen holt 1 xl
sharon james 1 xl
whit kuhn 1 xl
lisa winters 1 l
daniel tsang 1 l
sherlyn koo 1 l
sandy robinette 1 xl
sarah street 1 xl
trant batey 1 xl
rob augino 1 xl
that is it so far!  please hurry!  get your orders in!  the absolute deadline
is the 9th of july!
thanks everyone for your support!
take care
rob
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subject:      patty larkin in newport

hi everyone,
i was just wondering if anyone knows if the friday night
show with patty larkin is expected to sell out?  if i get
to newport in time, i would really love to see the show.
i saw her last year at newport, and she was great!  i
would also like to see cheryl wheeler.  i saw her at a
folk festival here in colorado.  she is definitely worth
seeing :)

cy'all,
- - howdy...

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from:         andrade <andrade@az.com>
subject:      re: 1990: starspot - amy ray
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>
> >favorite song: "strange fruit."
> does anyone know who sang that song?  i'm so ignorant sometimes... that was
> "strange fruit", and not "strange fire", right?

the first person i think of is billie holiday (happy sigh). i am a huge
billie holiday fan, have her complete box set recordings on decca and
columbia (but not verve yet -- if anybody knows about a verve box set
please contact me).

anyway, if amy is indeed talking about billie's "strange fruit" then i can
only say "i always knew she had great taste." :) umm but then i get to the
matt dillon part... oh dear. maybe she was just covering up? maybe?
giggle. (jodie foster i can understand!)

but paul westerberg is cool! he was the lead singer for the replacements
and the mats rock(ed). :)

kristina

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subject:      re: 1990: starspot - amy ray

in a message dated 96-06-20 15:52:47 edt, indigopony writes:

>this was good information, but why didn't they do an article on emily, too?
> i'd like to know more facts about her, also (!especially! =). they could've
>done two separate ones since there are two indigo girls...

i have a theory on this...amy seems to do most of the press work, it
seems as though she's more into the business end of things...hence,
daemon records. perhaps emily doesn't care for that part of being
an artist. i really noticed a difference between their pieces for
indigenous womens magazine...emilys piece read almost like
a poem and amy's read more like a journal.

[ i'm still waiting for amy to write a big article about the music business
  from her perspective ]

>>career goal: happiness.
>didn't she say at the end of watershed that she just wanted to write better
>songs, and didn't care about being happy??

weeellll...maybe she changed her mind, you know....older and wiser;)

>>favorite song: "strange fruit."
>does anyone know who sang that song?  i'm so ignorant sometimes... that was
>"strange fruit", and not "strange fire", right?

oh my god !!!! the  great one herself !!!!
billie holiday !!!
(who i have been listening to a lot lately)
(opal foxx aka; benjamin, does a real interesting version of
this song...which is about lynching...very heavy stuff. it was written
by lewis allen about whom, i know nothing....one of the greatest
songs ever written imho)

>>oldest childhood memory: grilling hot dogs, camping with my brother in my
>
>  backyard.
>hmm... i guess she wasn't a vegetarian back then.  i seem to remember a
>picture of
>a hot dog-eating (ack--that was _not_ "a hot, dog-eating"!!!  no comma!) amy
>in the
>rop tour book.

it could have been a veggie dog :)

love love love !
claire (her royal binkyness)

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subject:      re: re nigc audre lorde

in a message dated 96-06-20 11:16:44 edt, kirsten writes:

>>although i have yet to read it...my literature prof. says that "zami--
>>a new spelling of my name" is a must read. as far as lit. goes..
>>she's 'in the cannon'...:)
>               ^^^^^^
>uh-oh -- who's going to shoot her out?
>:)
>kirsten

oooooh....i was wondering if i spelled that right or not
but neglected to double check it.
i ment...of course...canon. (bad, bad, claire)

love !
claire (spelling impaired ;)

"no gum for me !!!"

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from:         andrade <andrade@az.com>
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> >>favorite song: "strange fruit."
> >does anyone know who sang that song?  i'm so ignorant sometimes... that was
> >"strange fruit", and not "strange fire", right?
>
> oh my god !!!! the  great one herself !!!!
> billie holiday !!!
> (who i have been listening to a lot lately)

wow, i always knew claire had great taste! ;) it's sooo cool to see
another billie holiday fan. you know, this is somewhat interesting. i love
music and listen to it constantly, almost every waking moment that i am
within earshot of a speaker. (right now elvis costello is playing).  when
i lived in the dorms 3-4 years ago i would always leave my door wide
open and my music would drift out into the halls. the only time strangers
stopped to ask me about the music playing is when billie was on! "who is
this? what song is she singing?" "where did you get this music?"  "is this
billie?!?!" wow :) all positive too. i don't listen to mainstream music so
it couldn't have been because everyone knew the other stuff i played. billie
just brought out the curiousity in people, they had to know what they were
hearing! cool :)

kristina

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from:         jennifer hall
              <jennifer=hall%ts=syscall2%cs=hou@bangate.compaq.com>
subject:      re: boycott peta!

i think treatment for human diseases like cancer and aids should be tested
on humans - not animals.  and i think you should be the first and only test
subject !

of course i'm not serious about human being tested, but i do support peta
and avoid products that use animals as "guinea pigs".  but i have 2
problems with michael's e-mail.

for one, if you going to post a message stating a political point of view -
- no one is going to take you seriously if you can't spell.

>> name one computer that can simulate exactly the progression...

computers are stupid.  a computer can't do anything without software
telling it what to do.  god bless the programmer that designs software that
can emulate the human body and illustrate the effects diseases have on it
and test potential cures.  i believe we are making progress towards this.
although this will not be a 100% test, but it should rule out any up-front
problems.

i love animals and don't feel it necessary that they take a fall for human
diseases when today's technology can do most of it.

i understand your right to have an opinion on this - and i'm sure i'll get
flamed as well - but there will always be 2 sides to this issue.  i
wouldn't have necessarily flamed if it wasn't for your poor grammar and
spelling and ignorance on computers.

- jen hall
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original text
from michael reynolds <asl@gandalf.umcs.maine.edu>, on 6/20/96 9:49 am:
to: <indigo-girls@netspace.org>

i am sorry, but peta, and they will deny it, is complancent about the
terrorism the animal liberation front does and it was shown that funds were
actually diverted from their money to the alf.  how many cures have we
found
for other animals using their own species to help them live better.
     furthermore, name one computer that can simulate exactly the
progression of a disease, it can not be done because reality, andf all of
the variables that encompases could not be figured out, no matter how many
sun workstations you have.
    no cure for aids if it requires animal research. who is this person to
even begin to espouse his views on a medical / ethical community he is not
a
member of the medical establishment nor has a medical training. neither do
any of the other terrorist
that bomb buildings or destroyed hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of
research that can save human lives? do you think that medical ethics does
not already have stringent guidelines? i am not talking abon shampoo in
rabbit's eyes here, i am talking about cancer treatments
    furthermore, i believe the publicity stunts that act as a farce of
"political protest" such as dousing people who wear fur with ketchup or
havingf no brain talk show hosts like ricki lane get arrested only devalues
real protests and oppression going on  with any marginalized minority, such
as race, religeon, or disability. i consider myself very progressively
minded, and i don't need a naked picture of some rock star and her lover to
motivate my political activism
mike r.
ps. i know i will be flamed as "not caring about animals" but whatever, i
do
believe in many other organizations that do protect animal habitats, i am
sorry this may seem so preachy, but there is more to one side to this issue,
which probably shouldn't be on the ig list, but i refuse to be complacent.

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from:         "rahadyan timoteo (tim) sastrowardoyo" <tisast@nytimes.com>
subject:      re: my friend, tom

kim--

may i express my condolences on your friend tom's passing.

for what it's worth, here's a poem i wrote after my brother sabartomo
died 10 years ago (he drowned in one of the gorges at cornell). he was
my best friend, and years later, i still think about him every day...


age-
less things are
those we should not
mourn: it
is not love

that
we have lost
truly but mere
earthly
perception

(or
just perhaps
the ownership)
but the
truth of whom

we
love cannot
die: it is al-
ways held
somewhere near


take care.

--rahadyan

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from:         indigopony@aol.com
subject:      tee hee (was delivery failure)

>i am simply trying to notify whoever indigo-girls are and tell them to stop

  sending mail to this address.

well, let me know if you find them!  =)  and, by the way, there's no hyphen
in indigo
girls.  hey, *i* thought it was funny... =p

to helene (if you're still here): i'm sorry you have to leave the list... =(

peace, love, and sunny days,
ponygirl the emily-person (proud of it, too!)
<smile>

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subject:      (nigc..none zippo nada) re: restless natives

hey all;
        i've been on the list for "more than a couple months" (a few more)
as well as being on several other diverse lists (i'm either a weirdo or
eclectic.. your call) and let me just reassure y'all that all lists i have
seen or heard of go through cycles that include "touchy" periods and
miscommunication.  seems to maybe be the "culture"....?  so, try to keep
your handy-dandy ig-l paper bag nearby again....  relax.....  use that
delete or pagedown key... and contact nasa to determine the schedule of
solar winds.... kim knows of whence she speak!!!  <waving to my west and
ever-so-slightly north>

tracy <who has very strong opinions on some of these current hot button
issues, but is choosing to sit out for a bit>
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subject:      your peta reply

<wild whistling and cheering!!!>  <standing high on chair!>

whooo hooooo!!!  hear hear!!!!  whooooo!!!   yes!

go grrrrrl.  :-|#########)

from one who is generally considered "an animal freak" i totally agree with
you.  i am doing my very best to stay out of this, despite very strong
opinions..... but we'll see, eh?

i wanted to let you know i agree 100% and smooch yer four-legged ones for me
and mine.

tracy &
        trueman (clumber spaniel)
        molly (clumber also)
        holly da' bear (keeshond)
and a dern zoo of various species that live here but are my so's, not mine!
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subject:      it's a joke :)

two cannibals are eating a clown. one says, "does this taste funny to you?"

meet a peta on weta tv ;)

jude :)

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subject:      re: strange fruit
in-reply-to:  <vines.acz7+ufkmla@bangate.compaq.com>

while it is true that strange fruit became a signature tune for billie
holiday, it was actually written by lewis allan.  holiday sang it often
..and it was implied in the movie of her life, lady sings the blues, as
having been written by her after she witnessed lynchings in the south
while touring.  i include the lyrics for those who would like to know
what amy is struck by in this song..the music is as bleak as the
lyrics..any recording by holiday, even in her later years when her voice
was ravaged by drugs, expresses a haunting, haunted reading.  a more
recent and equally striking rendition of strange fruit can be found on
cassandra wilson's most recent blue note recording--the cd is titled new
moon daughter and opens with strange fruit.

strange fruit

southern trees
bear a strange fruit
blood on the leaves
and blood at the roots
black body swinging
in the southern breeze
strange fruit hanging
from the poplar tree
pastoral scene
of the gallant south
the bulging eyes
and the twisted mouth
scent of magnolia
sweet and fresh
then the sudden smell
of burning flesh
here is the fruit
for the crows to pluck
for the rain to gather
for the worm to suck
for the sun to rot
for the tree to drop
here is the strange
and bitter crop

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in-reply-to:  <199606182325.taa09773@netspace.org> from "automatic digest
              processor" at jun 18, 96 07:25:11 pm

to all those interested in coming down to atl during the olympics, not
only to see our fair city but ig as well, it's all up in the air right now.
all i now is that eddie's attic is going to be presenting 2, count 'em, 2
nights of "the best of eddie's attic" on decatur square. i think that
starts july 24th. then there will be 3-4 concerts held at decatur
highschool (next to eddie's). one is headlined by nanci griffith, the
decatur olympic arts coordinater, the others tba. the concert descrptions
mentioned "....and special guests" for the best of eddie's so you never
know who might show up. it will be awesome shows though. no doubt.

pride... all i know, df is playing saturday and vld and ig are playing
sunday. i'll be there and, no worries, not a psycho chic, yet...the more
the merrier, as the overdone saying goes.


                                sharon

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reply-to:     hiding under a paper bag <clumber9@alliance.net>
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subject:      ooooopppss.. "outed" myself
x-cc:         deb reiser <debbie@mei.com>

well, hey... 1st time i've done that in my 6 or whatever months online, so i
was probably overdue statistically.... right?  could have been worse, eh?

lesson #1:  new email s/w may have slightly diff tendencies, even just
upgrades: always double check your to: header.....
lesson #2: always double check your to: header !!!
lesson #3: hang head and admit error, and be willing, albeit reluctantly, to
stand behind what you said.

so, i stand behind what i said.  slightly more info - i am a staunch
supporter and soapbox-owner for animal welfare issues.  i am not a supporter
of animal *rights* as they are usually defined.  i have been involved
professionally in the pet care business for over 7 years,  involved in
humane issues since i could say "dog", and basically a bleeding-heart
card-carrying liberal type for the past several lifetimes, at least.  i
think that some of you others have stated issues well, and this is why i was
trying to stay out of it...

for the official record, i totally respect everyone's viewpoint, at least
those which are at least somewhat well-thought out.  flames welcome, but
gimmie a sec' to install my asbestos hardware.... i wasn't quite ready, but
such is the punishment for not paying attn.
*sigh*

tracy weeks <blaming my mouse> <but not yet sending it away for research....>
                <it was a joke!! ha ha?  computer mouse?  you know?>

quietly checking my to: header......

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carrie was asking about strange fruit.  i heard it once, it's a southern
song about lynching.  i don't remember much, but it's real mournful (duh).
the only line i remember goes, "southern trees, bearing strange fruit",
i.e. dead black men hanging.  aack.  does anyone know more of the words?
peace and no burning churches,
karey

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subject:      the ep and more

thanks to all who responded to my inquiry about the ep and more.  i can't
wait to get my copy.  i received several responses as to the manufacturer
of this disk, each telling a somewhat different story....... anyway it
sounds like an excellent disk and i look forward to the next batch
"arriving" at rdr so that i can get one.

derek

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i'm really sorry, y'all.  sometimes i get carried away and answer a
question before reading everyone else's replies, in most cases from people
who know way more than i do on the subject.  i will try to read before
typing in the future.  just gettin' a little trigger-happy.  (key-happy?)
%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
all skate, now reverse. :)
i wanna talk about the happy song now.
(kim: go nuts with your spacebar)
i wrote a paper on so as a whole and examined 3 songs closely (lotk, p02,
dmh), and this surprised me: po2 has the most lyrics!  doesn't that seem
strange, given how light and happyish it sounds?  ah, but the plot
thickens! :)  the reason this song is so happy is that it's talking about
the absence of pain/nightmares/general bad stuff.  so it's up to the music
to make it upbeat.  the very beginning es interesante tambien (sorry, just
came from spanish class).  if you listen closely there's a little laugh,
and that's right before the intro, which sounds kinda bluesy to me.  cool,
huh?, and then the rest of the music is upbeat, major key, etc.
  also, everybody notice how po2 is in the middle (almost) of the album?
see, so has this great dichotomy: aloneness/alienation versus
togetherness, and the rest of the songs have the former up front and the
latter as subtext.  but po2 is the only one where that's reversed.  isn't
it great that we're together, cos it's that lousy to be alone.  (the
bluesy intro fits into that.)
i love how complex the girls are!
peace and sunshine,
karey

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subject:      ig in school?

pl>hello fans,
pl>i just thought i'd share with you a neat ig experience.  i teach grade four
pl>and five and i thought i'd
pl>try playing some ig during class time.  i put 1200 curfews into the cd
pl>player and let it go.  the kids loved it.  one started to sing along with
pl>"power of two" because his "mother has it at home."  the kids were soooo
pl>quiet during "river" by j.m, as they worked away on their spelling.  it was
pl>a real magic moment.
pl>some of the kids got up and danced during joking.  i thought at that moment
pl>"i love my job!!"

pl>thanks for listening.
pl>paul  lorette  (plorette@cln.etc.bc.ca)
pl>terrace, bc, canada


paul,
       great story!  keep enlightening our nations' youths!

                                               tuesday's child

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subject:      that animal thing

warning : this has not been spell checked !!!!

it has been really interesting to read the comments about this.
i am so torn on this issue...on the one hand i support animal
rights groups but on the other hand i have lost many dear
friends to aids and want those who are currently living with
aids to survive.
it is painfull to see the anger between the
two groups...and i am specifically speaking to aids organizations
and animal rights groups, people that were once allies and now have
a wall of anger between them...this reminds me of the divisiveness
that has plagued progressive humanitarian groups since they
have been around. but then we are really progressing as humans in
that we are even discussing these issues....wow !!!

love love love !
claire (an omnivore wrestling with my carnivorous tendencies)
(and slightly freaked by the realization that if i were the size
of a mouse...my beloved kitties would feel compelled to kill
and eat me -after torturing me for a while, of course-)

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subject:      re: 1990: starspot - amy ray

in>>oldest childhood memory: grilling hot dogs, camping with my brother in my

in>  backyard.
in>hmm... i guess she wasn't a vegetarian back then.  i seem to remember a
in>picture of
in>a hot dog-eating (ack--that was _not_ "a hot, dog-eating"!!!  no comma!) amy
in>in the
in>rop tour book.


               are you sure that wasn't a tofu pup?

                                       tuesday's child

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subject:      compilations and soundtracks

hi everyone!  :)

i've been thinking about a lot of the indigo girls material that i
don't have, because this list has opened up a bunch of new
possibilities for me --> thanks to you wonderful folks!  :)

these are the things i have regarding the terrific ig:
-indigo girls
-rites of passage
-nomads, indians, saints
-strange fire
-indigo girls live: back on the bus, y'all
-1200 curfews

i also have the fantastic "watershed" video!  wow.  what a incredible
glimpse into the lives of amy and emily.  it made me grin.  <grin>

miscellanious works that i have by the ig are:

-the "boys on the side" soundtrack (featuring "power of two")
-the "philadelphia" soundtrack (featuring "i don't want to think
                                          about it")
-spirit of '73: rock for choice (featuring "it won't take long")

i have also heard of a compilation called, "put on your green shoes".
it is supposedly a children's disc...does it ring a bell with anyone?

sooo...am i missing anything of utter importance?  is the "live at
the uptown lounge" still available somewhere?

thanks for all of your help!
sincerely,
lisa j. :)
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lisa j. :)

"a girl's gotta eat!"
                    -sarah jessica parker
sarah mclachlan melissa etheridge indigo girls
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subject:      music suggestions

hi everyone,

i was hoping some of you could help me.  i really need to broaden my musical
horizons. they are pretty much limitedto ig and k.d. lang right now. they're
both great, but i'm starting to feel in a rut.
does anyone have any suggestions? or any wavs. that they could e-mail me?
i've heard a little catie curtis, but that's about it. sad, isn't it?  so,
please help this poor ig fan who's stuck in a rut. :(

hugs,
deb

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try: kristen hall (!!!), ani difranco, alison moyet, billy bragg, tracy
chapman, disappear fear, melissa ferrick, joan baez, etc etc. there's
enough in there to keep ya busy for a while. i really recommend all these
musicians, i don't think you can go wrong with any of them. but buy smart,
special order and ask to audition before you buy. *most* record stores
will special order for free and you have no obligation to buy once it's in
stock (of course check their policy first -- grin).

but if you're only looking for one new artist, check out kristen hall!! :)

kristina

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on thu, 20 jun 1996, jones wrote:

> i was hoping some of you could help me.  i really need to broaden my musical
> horizons. they are pretty much limitedto ig and k.d. lang right now. they're
> both great, but i'm starting to feel in a rut.

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>>>hi everyone,

i was hoping some of you could help me.  i really need to broaden my musical
horizons. they are pretty much limitedto ig and k.d. lang right now. they're
both great, but i'm starting to feel in a rut.
does anyone have any suggestions? or any wavs. that they could e-mail me?
i've heard a little catie curtis, but that's about it. sad, isn't it?  so,
please help this poor ig fan who's stuck in a rut. :(

hugs,
deb<<<

catie curtis rocks! others who meet the kirsten seal of approval include
melissa etheridge, sarah maclachlan, the story, carol noonan, joni mitchell
, nanci griffith, disappear fear, ellis paul, and bill morrissey. they all
remind me of ig in some way, mostly by their thoughtful, introspective
lyrics. haunt your local used record huts and see what you can find.
kirsten, who just picked up a used nanci griffith tape for $3.50 =)

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jones wrote:
>
> hi everyone,
>
> i was hoping some of you could help me.  i really need to broaden my musical
> horizons. they are pretty much limitedto ig and k.d. lang right now. they're
> both great, but i'm starting to feel in a rut.
> does anyone have any suggestions? or any wavs. that they could e-mail me?
> i've heard a little catie curtis, but that's about it. sad, isn't it?  so,
> please help this poor ig fan who's stuck in a rut. :(
>
> hugs,
> deb
>

well i'm not into all the stuff everyone else seems to be into on this
list, but i can humbly suggest that you check out "don fransisco". he is
a christian artist who is fantastic!! it might be hard to find some of
his stuff though. it is available. some of his early recordings were low
budget, and are a little hard to listen to. i do, whole heartedly,
recommend his live album. if you would like me to send you a tape of it,
let me know.

chris payne

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d'oh i cant believe i left ferron off my list of musicians to check out.
i recommend both kristen hall and ferron equally :)

kristina

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in a message dated 96-06-20 02:14:15 edt, mme dido wrote:

>although i have yet to read it...my literature prof. says that "zami--
>a new spelling of my name" is a must read. as far as lit. goes..
>she's 'in the cannon'...:)

lol, claire...methinks yer prof meant "canon"...but then again english ain't
my "fort"

; >  lolorie

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they're
>both great, but i'm starting to feel in a rut.
>does anyone have any suggestions? or any wavs. that they could e-mail me?
>i've heard a little catie curtis, but that's about it. sad, isn't it?  so,
>please help this poor ig fan who's stuck in a rut. :(


         who else, but our favorite band from the mountains of virginia?
about  whom am i speaking of?  duh! ****radar rose**** of course!!!  and
****one dozen live roses is the cd****.. 12 cuts of pure, raw radar rose..
the best way to capture this band.. and wehre can you get it?  from our
favorite music store in atlanta, ga-- *rainy day records* of course..
1-800-636-6166

and be sure to check out their website::
http://www.mindspring.com/~water/rose.html

take care :)

"...you and i are so savage, with a gift for damage; you and i go breaking
bones,
wrecking all the happy homes..." -viva la diva

"...i have danced in women's arms... my sweetest kiss-woman warm..."-radar rose

______________________________________________________________________________
         diviant rosehip                             gay but not narrow
                http://www.mindspring.com/~water/rose.html

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subject:      thanks y'all

hey all... this is just a thank-you to all who so kindly responded to my
post about tom dying. you're all a great bunch + i really mean it when i
express this gratitude.
96 is a tough year for me, and looks like it'll get tougher... but it's also
the year i got online + hooked up with such a fun + diverse bunch of people,
with terribly good ( i couldn't remember how to spell exceptional (sp?) and
unlike the tracester, i don' have spell check ) taste in music, so there are
a few saving graces.
i'd write personal "thankyous" to each + everyone... but this is a rare time
when i really just can't bring myself to tap... so, public it is.... *thankyou*.
peace + posting... kim.
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     <just kim>rcn@prcn.org
"i had a dream i was your hero. damn!
      i wish i was your lover!"
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subject:      rahadyan's poem

i just want to express how much i enjoyed rahadyan's poem about separation by
death.  it was a very moving and perceptive poem - so much so, that i have written
it down!   thanks for sharing your lovely work.

joan :)

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subject:      nigc: buffy st. marie in connecticut

for anyone interested --

buffy sainte marie will be playing on the green in new haven, ct saturday -
june 29th from 2:30 - 4:15pm ...

bmhawk ...

chris

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subject:      thanks anyway

just a note to thank all of you who supported me for the aidride ( oh
no,,not that controversy again..)..i reached my goal and everything was
lookin great..well last wed i went another training ride...got hit by a
drunk driver who kept on goin'...nothin' broken but my bike but i'm a
great shade of green, yellow, purple, black and blue...doc won't allow me
to ride till next week and then will decide if she'll allow me to do the
ride at all...bummer..been training daily for 4 months and now cause of
some drunk it may all go up in smoke..been trying to find a tune by the
girls to "keep my spirits up"..you know one of those" theres a reason for
this to happen" kinda songs..haven't found it yet..any suggestions?
pooh

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