lifeblood: listlogs: 1996-06d


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date:         thu, 20 jun 1996 23:40:48 -0400
reply-to:     "derek l. duncan" <104250.2055@compuserve.com>
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from:         "derek l. duncan" <104250.2055@compuserve.com>
subject:      re: music suggestions
x-to:         jones <jdjones@earthlink.net>

i'll add a couple to the list:

wendy bucklew is a great atlanta area artist.  you can get her disk
painting sidewalks nation wide, i think.  her first tape is re-released,
but i'm not sure how wide the distribution is.

susan werner is a solo female folk singer.  she is currently philadelphia
based and recently toured opening up for some big names.  "last of the good
straight girls" is her latest and it is a good thing that cds do not wear
out, or mine would.

larry myer is one of my favorite iowa artists.  he sings folk, but more of
the amy ray style.  he is great live too.  check out "flatlands".  if you
cant find it, try peeples music in des moines 515-255-5839 and i think they
would mail it out.

if you want to try a different style of music...... try house of large
sizes, based out of cedar falls, iowa.  their latest album, "my ass kicking
life" is out on columbia and it rules.  they are a very unique band, and
have been compared to janes addiction, but i don't think that comparison
quite fits.  they are actually a lot better.


i hope you find some cool stuff from these suggestions.  i know that i have
discovered many new artists from this list...... good luck!

derek

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date:         thu, 20 jun 1996 23:42:42 -0400
reply-to:     rbsayre@aol.com
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from:         richard sayre iii <rbsayre@aol.com>
subject:      re: compilations and soundtracks

in a message dated 96-06-20 20:47:13 edt, jacksond@uoguelph.ca (dave jackson)
writes:

<< miscellanious works that i have by the ig are:

-the "boys on the side" soundtrack (featuring "power of two")
-the "philadelphia" soundtrack (featuring "i don't want to think
                                           about it")
-spirit of '73: rock for choice (featuring "it won't take long")

i have also heard of a compilation called, "put on your green shoes".
it is supposedly a children's disc...does it ring a bell with anyone?

sooo...am i missing anything of utter importance? >>

maybe not utterly important, but it's darn good- "tame yourself" a benefit
for...
oh. ahem. it's got a song with michael stipe called "i'll give you my skin"
which is goddamn beautiful.


rick
having a terrible day!

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date:         fri, 21 jun 1996 01:19:57 -0400
reply-to:     aja <jgold16@emory.edu>
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from:         aja <jgold16@emory.edu>
subject:      audre lorde (nigc)

   i cannot help but comment on the wonderful and amazing audre lorde. i
first
read _zami_ when i was a sophomore in hs and it totally affected my
entire perspective. i read it again last spring for a women studies class
in college and culled just as much from it the second time as i had from
the first.  i'm being so articulate, i know.  but i personally
officially recommend for everyone to read that book. it's one of the few
works that makes me "oo" and "ah" aloud in public while reading. and it
has some wonderful excerpts that, much like ig songs, can describe
exactly what you're feeling but could never say. i hope it is not
tactless to say so, but i am _so_mad_ that lorde died b/c i'm
_so_jealous_ of every one of her students. *sigh*  anyway, everyone needs
to read that book. also, the woman wrote/spoke multiple very
well-worded essays/speeches.  alright i'm finished gushing (for now).
                           -julie

p.s. yeah, the below quote from the biomythography has been on all my msgs
for a few months now, as some of you are well aware...

o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o

        "the camaraderie and warmth between us
         breached places within me that had been
         closed off and permanently sealed"
                                -audre lorde

o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o

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date:         thu, 20 jun 1996 22:20:09 +0000
reply-to:     "christopher d. payne" <owen4@adnc.com>
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from:         "christopher d. payne" <owen4@adnc.com>
subject:      albums...

you know what i found the other day at tower records?

strange fire, and indigo girls for $8.99 each!!!! (on cd)

shame on tower for putting these in the bargain rack, but hooray for me
for finding them!!!!!!

this was a great find for me, as i am a very new fan of the ig.

blah, blah, blah, ramble, ramble........

thanks for the ear!

chris payne owen4@adnc.com

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date:         fri, 21 jun 1996 01:52:10 -0400
reply-to:     mmedido@aol.com
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subject:      re: music suggestions

okay....i just have to get in on this one.
(music suggestions....one of my favorite topics :)

since i'm old (tee hee)

here are some artist's worth checking out that
are timeless.....( in other words...old)

sarah vaughn
ella fitzgerald
billie holiday
nina simone
jobim
laura nyro
sweet honey and the rock
elizabeth cotten

and not old

laura love
johnette napolitano
michelle shocked
milton nacimiento
smoke
big fish ensemble

(sorry...it's hard to stop...i'm a total music junkie;)

nibs !
binky

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date:         thu, 20 jun 1996 23:02:12 -0700
reply-to:     gwen keyt <gkeyt@paul.spu.edu>
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from:         gwen keyt <gkeyt@paul.spu.edu>
subject:      re: caroline aiken - "this side up" tour
x-to:         machado <lorene@flylive.com>
in-reply-to:  <199606201634.jaa20699@primenet.com>

okay seattle listees, who's gonna meet for ca at bumbershoot??  email me!
and thanks for posting this notice!--gwen
> sept 1: bumbershoot festival, seattle wa --(wild stage, 5pm)
>

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date:         fri, 21 jun 1996 01:57:52 edt
reply-to:     joan morrison <103161.3515@compuserve.com>
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from:         joan morrison <103161.3515@compuserve.com>
subject:      music suggestions

...lest we not forget michelle malone, shawn colvin, emmylou harris, mary chapin
carpenter, edwin mccain and a relatively unknown, but awesome singer-songwriter
named bill miller.  bill miller lives here in nashville (i'm pretty sure) and
he is signed to warner brothers' western label.  anyway, he is native american
and the material of his i've heard reminds me of bruce springsteen - he can be
reflective and he can rock as well.  his new cd is called "raven in the snow"
and i would highly recommend it.  some of the artists i've listed might be
considered by some to be "mainstream," but they're still great artists making
awesome, thought-provoking music (which is partly why they're so mainstream).
check 'em out!!!   definitely check out emmylou harris' "wrecking ball" cd,
which is more rock/folk influenced.  neil young sings backup on a couple of
songs and the title cut was even penned by mr. young himself!   just my 2 cents...

joan :)

p.s. - kristen hall's "fact and fiction" is awesome, btw!

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date:         thu, 20 jun 1996 23:12:10 -0700
reply-to:     gwen keyt <gkeyt@paul.spu.edu>
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from:         gwen keyt <gkeyt@paul.spu.edu>
subject:      re: 1990: starspot - amy ray
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>
> >>favorite song: "strange fruit."
> >does anyone know who sang that song?  i'm so ignorant sometimes... that was
> >"strange fruit", and not "strange fire", right?
>
> oh my god !!!! the  great one herself !!!!
> billie holiday !!!
> (who i have been listening to a lot lately)
> (opal foxx aka; benjamin, does a real interesting version of
>  this song...which is about lynching...very heavy stuff. it was written
>  by lewis allen about whom, i know nothing....one of the greatest
>  songs ever written imho)

trust mmeclaire to be among the coolest of all!  billie is my woman!!!!
and strange fruit is a deep and twisted song....lady sings it so well.
(funny, my keyboard wanted me to type strange froot...like froot
loops...guess after an entire day cooped up in a classroom learning how to
defibrillate people i'm a little froot-loopey myself.....)

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date:         fri, 21 jun 1996 15:33:28 +0011
reply-to:     jackels@wizza.agvic.gov.au
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from:         vida <jackels@wizza.agvic.gov.au>
subject:      i'm going too :-( (hi sherlyn and sarah)

hi y'all

it's been a wild time on this wonderful list but my employer and i are
parting company which isn't such a bad thing,  so i am loosing this account.

i will be back when i sort my traffic jam problems out at home.

sherlyn, have a rage in the us and dance hard for me at newport.

sarah (love peace and butter biscuits), dance for me when you next
see michelle malone play.

if anyone wants to email me privately my home address is
<jackel@vicnet.net.au>

for an amy person, i leave y'all with an emily tag - life's like that
:-)

#my life is part of the global life
#i'd found myself becoming more immobile
#when i'd think a little girl in the world can't do anything.
#a distant nation my community
#a street person my responsibility
#if i have a care in the world i have a gift to bring.

just keep on dancin
peace
sue
susan jackel <jackel@vicnet.net.au>

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date:         thu, 20 jun 1996 23:57:28 -0700
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from:         "kim: supreme goddess of the inane" <rcn@prcn.org>
subject:      re: rahadyan's poem

rahadyan????
oh, umm... sorry to the rest of you, for sending a personal message via the
list, but my eudora became screwed up this afternoon ( perfect touch to this
day )and i lost a lot of my "in" mail.
anyways... rahadyan, you shared a beautiful poem you'd written + i no longer
have it... could you please re-send it to me privatly?... it was very
touching and i'd like to keep it on file. thankyou. peace... kim.
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
     <just kim>rcn@prcn.org
"i had a dream i was your hero. damn!
      i wish i was your lover!"
---------sophie b. hawkins----------------
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date:         fri, 21 jun 1996 00:23:13 -0700
reply-to:     andrade <andrade@az.com>
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from:         andrade <andrade@az.com>
subject:      re: caroline aiken - "this side up" tour
x-to:         gwen keyt <gkeyt@paul.spu.edu>
in-reply-to:  <pine.osf.3.94.960620225816.30057b-100000@paul.spu.edu>

i'm there :) i also want to see ani difranco but i cant remember for the
life of me what day she is playing...

kristina

on thu, 20 jun 1996, gwen keyt wrote:

> okay seattle listees, who's gonna meet for ca at bumbershoot??  email me!
> and thanks for posting this notice!--gwen
> > sept 1: bumbershoot festival, seattle wa --(wild stage, 5pm)

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date:         fri, 21 jun 1996 10:39:53 bst
reply-to:     rachel sefton-smith <seffy@epic.co.uk>
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from:         rachel sefton-smith <seffy@epic.co.uk>
subject:      (nigc) dar williams uk dates/ng on radio

hi folks,

thought some of you might be interested to know that dar williams is playing
several dates in the uk next month:

july 23  riverside, newcastle
july 24  la belle angele, edinburgh
july 25  atheneum theatre, glasgow
july 27  cambridge folk festival
july 29  purcell rooms, london  (box office: 0171 960 4242, tkts 8.50 stlg)

i'll be at the london gig - a birthday pressie from my gf :)  the guy in the
box office just said there's loads of tickets left - bargain price too!

also, radio 2 are broadcasting a nanci griffith show from last year this
saturday - think it's on at 5 o'clock.

by the way, has anyone else received a free promo cd from sony by a swedish
(i think) artist called sophie zelmani?  it just dropped through my door one
day with no explanation.  could it be 'cos they have my name when i signed
up for the ig mailing list?  only listened to it a couple of times - it's
quite nice - sort of acoustic pop - her voice reminds me of silje ('tell me
where you're going').  hmmm - nice to get surprises like that!

take care y'all,

seffy

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date:         fri, 21 jun 1996 09:00:31 -0400
reply-to:     mark anthony donajkowski <madonajk@alpha.delta.edu>
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from:         mark anthony donajkowski <madonajk@alpha.delta.edu>
subject:      re: music suggestions
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> and not old
>
> laura love
> johnette napolitano
> michelle shocked
> milton nacimiento
> smoke
> big fish ensemble
yeah someone mentioned big fish ensemble they were with the girls the
first time i seen them in concert and they rock funy thing about that is
galelaio spelt wrong i knwo got me hooked on the girls i went ot the
concert just to hear that  this was when rop was out and they never played
gal.. hte whole time which upset me but i found many ohter songs to like
hugs anthony van p yre

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date:         fri, 21 jun 1996 09:25:20 -0700
reply-to:     elizabeth meadows <meadows@allegheny.edu>
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from:         elizabeth meadows <meadows@allegheny.edu>
organization: medical college of pennsylvania and hahnemann univ.
subject:      nigc:  audre lorde

hi.  i was telling my friend lisa, who works at pov, that there was a lot
of discussion on several of my lists about the audre film, and she asked
that i post about pov's website.  if you go to
http://www.pbs.org/pov/litany you can get more info on audre lorde, hear
her read one of her poems, participate in an interactive forum on the
program, get info on related resources, and get program schedules, plus a
bunch of other stuff.  check it out!  and especially let pbs know if you
want more of this kind of programming.

- elizabeth :)

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date:         fri, 21 jun 1996 09:30:59 -0400
reply-to:     "m.macvey" <mmacvey@attach.net>
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subject:      re: moronic nj politicans           (nigc)-
x-to:         twb@zycor.lgc.com

trust a politician to jump to conclusions after a brief "fact-finding'
trip. ha! driving home from work this morning past my neighbors cows and
yep, there was one feeling amorous. a common occurrence. a while back i
made the mistake of turning my back on abi one of my old cows, who had a
certain glint in her eye(i thought she was hungry..). the next thing i
know her two front legs where on my shoulders and down i went, pinned by
her brisket, stuck between her legs.she was standing there trying to
figure out where i'd gone. a friend who observed this said i just
disappeared. anyway abi finally backed off, no harm done.i thought it was
carrying polymorphous perversity a little far. would have made a funny
video, but they'd of censored it from family tv. needless to say i try
not to turn my back on her now.

..still crazy after all these years.. (p. simon)

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date:         fri, 21 jun 1996 09:31:04 -0400
reply-to:     "m.macvey" <mmacvey@attach.net>
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from:         "m.macvey" <mmacvey@attach.net>
subject:      re: that animal thing(nigc)ch
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hey binky, well put. i wasn't trying to be divisive/incendiary when i
forwarded this editorial. just wanted to make the point that all the
truth is not  on one side and and all the lies on the other.can't just
trust the experts(1) got to use our judgement. i've been fortunate to
have never been forced to make that difficult decision where i have to
choose between sacrificing my/a loved one's chances for life or another
genus/species. to be truthful tho' although i transport spiders outside,
i do squish ticks. i like to think that if i was in a the middle of the
ocean in a 2 person raft with my dog and a loved one i would swim (who
knows? until faced with the reality.). of course if the other human(oid)
was rush limbotomy or his ilk, no problem( except for the fight, but i'd
have my dog on my side( the 120# one))

marilyn(whose cat left her the remains of a phoebe that was nesting over
the porch this am, sigh)

(1) expert; a drip under pressure
e

..still crazy after all these years.. (p. simon)

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date:         fri, 21 jun 1996 09:15:36 -0500
reply-to:     dan perkins <dperkins@coa1.ci.austin.tx.us>
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from:         dan perkins <dperkins@coa1.ci.austin.tx.us>
subject:      fw: music suggestions

well,  guess i am going to show my age here. if you want to check out =
some "older" artists listen to anything by joni mitchell (especially =
"blue" and "court & spark"), ricki lee jones (her first album is =
amazing), crosby, stills, nash & young "so far", tracy chapman (any =
album), bob dylan ("blood on the tracks" "highway 61" ), joan baez (the =
song "diamonds & rust" is fantastic).

some lesser known bands i think are worth a listen are:

trout fishing in america, a duo originally from houston texas, now out =
of arkansas. check out "truth is stranger than fishing"

emily kaitz: a wonderfully witty and poignant singer songwriter from =
austin, texas. i don't know if she is available nationwide or not. if =
not you may be able to order from waterloo records here in austin.

jimmy lafave: singer/songwriter from austin, texas. kinda along the bob =
dylan line, but with a touch more road house blues. check out "buffalo =
return to the plains" or "austin skyline".

kris mckay: austin singer/songwriter. the song "checking 1,2) is =
haunting, beautiful.=20

two nice girls: again from austin, texas. now unfortunately a defunct =
band. check out the song "let's go bonding".

some artists others have suggested and i would definitely second are: =
ferron, ani difranco.

hope this helps.

peace,

dan perkins
=20

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from:   joan morrison[smtp:103161.3515@compuserve.com]
sent:   friday, june 21, 1996 12:57 am
to:     multiple recipients of list indigo-girls
subject:        music suggestions

...lest we not forget michelle malone, shawn colvin, emmylou harris, =
mary chapin
carpenter, edwin mccain and a relatively unknown, but awesome =
singer-songwriter
named bill miller.  bill miller lives here in nashville (i'm pretty =
sure) and
he is signed to warner brothers' western label.  anyway, he is native =
american
and the material of his i've heard reminds me of bruce springsteen - he =
can be
reflective and he can rock as well.  his new cd is called "raven in the =
snow"
and i would highly recommend it.  some of the artists i've listed might =
be
considered by some to be "mainstream," but they're still great artists =
making
awesome, thought-provoking music (which is partly why they're so =
mainstream).
check 'em out!!!   definitely check out emmylou harris' "wrecking ball" =
cd,
which is more rock/folk influenced.  neil young sings backup on a couple =
of
songs and the title cut was even penned by mr. young himself!   just my =
2 cents...

joan :)

p.s. - kristen hall's "fact and fiction" is awesome, btw!

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date:         fri, 21 jun 1996 10:16:17 -0400
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from:         staci smith <indigo555@wow.com>
subject:      does anyone have any ig music

hi all,
i was wondering if any one out there had any copys of any indigo girls music before they got all famous?  if anyone does would you please e-mail me, i would be willing to pay for even a copy of their music, (when they were first starting out) well thanks yall

staci and holly

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date:         fri, 21 jun 1996 09:44:10 -0500
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from:         trant batey <twb@zycor.lgc.com>
subject:      re: moronic nj politicans           (nigc)-
x-cc:         mmacvey@attach.net

so these two guys dressed up in a cow hide to hunt duck, because duck aren't
afraid of cows. so, they got really close to the ducks, and as the one in front
was preparing to shot, his friend bumped him from behind.  he said, "man, what's
the matter with you, don't you see all them ducks?".  to which his friend
replied, "forget about the ducks, here comes the bull!"

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from: m.macvey <mmacvey@attach.net>

trust a politician to jump to conclusions after a brief "fact-finding'
trip. ha! driving home from work this morning past my neighbors cows and
yep, there was one feeling amorous. a common occurrence. a while back i
made the mistake of turning my back on abi one of my old cows, who had a
certain glint in her eye(i thought she was hungry..). the next thing i
know her two front legs where on my shoulders and down i went, pinned by
her brisket, stuck between her legs.she was standing there trying to
figure out where i'd gone. a friend who observed this said i just
disappeared. anyway abi finally backed off, no harm done.i thought it was
carrying polymorphous perversity a little far. would have made a funny
video, but they'd of censored it from family tv. needless to say i try
not to turn my back on her now.

..still crazy after all these years.. (p. simon)

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date:         fri, 21 jun 1996 10:32:53 -0700
reply-to:     pat chaney <pooh40@mc.net>
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from:         pat chaney <pooh40@mc.net>
subject:      more music

being chicago born and bred we have more then just the greatesr blues but
some damn good country, folk hometowners..
try:
john prine  especially his eairlier stuff ( before he moved to nashville)
steve goodman
bonnie kolac

from down your way:
don't forget
k.t. oslen especially songs from an aging sex bomb
kathy mattea

and i second and third the vote for kristen hall..shes great

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from:         amy snyder <ajsnyder@mtu.edu>
subject:      re: s.o.c.s

hi y'all,
  i just want to keep everyone up to date with how i am coming along on the
s.o.c. project.  below is a listing of shows that contain either a chickenman
soc or a touch me fall soc that i either have now or have coming.

        brisbane        2/22/95 - thanx sherlyn
        charleston      2/7/95 - thanx harry
        erie            4/15/95 - thanx carrie
        newhaven        4/24/95 - thanx rob
        red rocks       8/13/94 - thanx mike
        newport '94     thanx - cylinda
        tower           4/26/95 - thanx harry
        madison         5/95 - thanx carrie
        seattle         8/17/94 - thanx jude
        shepard's       11/94

the following is a list of shows that contain an soc that i would like to get.
if anyone has a copy of any of these shows please e-mail me privately to set up
a trade.  thanx.

        austin, tx              3/24/95
        athens, oh              4/12/95
        portland, me            12/8/94
        northrup aud, mn        7/17/94
        troutdale, or           8/18?/94

does any one know if any of the following shows has an soc?

        dartmouth       4/18/95
        rochester       10/94
        brown univ.     date?

does anyone know of any other shows out there that contain an soc?  please let
me know privately.

  i am also going to get a version of tmf that is from a burlington, vt show
(thanx kevin) that is an amazing 17 minutes long.  while it does not contain an
soc i thought it would be cool to have anyway.

  i have 10 versions on their way and hopefully can get the other 5 that we know
to exist...it may turn out that there are more.  i think that this project will
be cool when it is completed and i wanted to say thank you to those that have
responded with either information or tape offers.  it won't/wouldn't happen
without your help.  take it easy.

peace,
amy

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reply-to:     michael anthony leonard <ml5x+@andrew.cmu.edu>
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from:         michael anthony leonard <ml5x+@andrew.cmu.edu>
subject:      don't ever take a day off work...

hey folks,
    i made the mistake of taking a day off work yesterday, and when i
returned, you guys had over 100 messages waiting for me.

    wow, ig is really popular.

but of course you all know that...

mike-dude

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              grrl o' cognitive dissonance" <t1kchevalier@wellesley.edu>
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from:         "kirsten,
              grrl o' cognitive dissonance" <t1kchevalier@wellesley.edu>
subject:      re: does anyone have any ig music

staci smith <indigo555@wow.com> wrote:
>hi all,
>i was wondering if any one out there had any copys of any indigo girls
>music bef
>ore they got all famous?  if anyone does would you please e-mail me, i
>would be
>willing to pay for even a copy of their music, (when they were first
>starting ou
>t) well thanks yall
>
>staci and holly

#ifdef sarcasm
oh noooo...it's the invasion of the wowers.
will the net survive this latest influx of clueless newbies promised that
assimiliation into net.culture is as easy as keying in a credit card number
, lured online by promises of home shopping and endless video games?
will said newbies bring cyberspace to a new and higher level of discourse,
or will they simply flood it with more "me too" posts and requests for n00d
gi5z?
will major online services begin requiring an intelligence test as a
prequisite for "signing on"? (dream on, kirsten)
will courtney continue snubbing leslee at the dairy queen? (oops, wrong
show)
stay tuned for the next episode of...
...n e w b i e s  o n  t h e  n e t - coming soon to a listserv near you.
#endif /*sarcasm*/

;)
kirsten

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subject:      re: music suggestions

ok, some of my faves include:

ani difranco
dar williams
patty larkin
paul simon
grateful dead
gerard mchugh
jewel
shawn colvin
the roches
dave matthews band
joan osborne
joni mitchell
the nields

                        love & all things indigo :) abigail

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subject:      free to be you and me

i was pondering my early childhood musical influences the other day, and
one album that my mom got for me and that i listened to continuously
throughout my childhood was free to be you and me.  i was curious if anyone
else listened to this cause possibly i was thinking about a correlation
between it and future love of the indigo girls.  just a theory.  and
coincidently, buffy saint-marie writes and sings some of the songs.  and
for those of you poor souls who don't know about this album, it's a
children's record (although i still listen to it, and technically i'm not a
child:)   and it has all these great songs that try to teach kids about
equality and sexism and great stuff like that.  it's so great!!!!!!!!
anyway, just curious.  love sundara

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from:         jeremy fuksa - mob car studios <reznor@okstate.edu>
subject:      re: don't ever take a day off work...

that's nothing, i took a day off yesterday and came back to over 200
messages!!!  (then again, i belong to the ig list, the dar williams list,
the jackopierce list, and the mixmasters list)

jeremy

at 12:44 pm 6/21/96 -0400, you wrote:
>hey folks,
>    i made the mistake of taking a day off work yesterday, and when i
>returned, you guys had over 100 messages waiting for me.

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from:         mmedido@aol.com
subject:      re: s.o.c.s

in a message dated 96-06-21 13:12:42 edt, you write:

>the following is a list of shows that contain an soc that i would like to
>get.
>if anyone has a copy of any of these shows please e-mail me privately to set
>up
>a trade.  thanx.
>

>        troutdale, or           8/18?/94

if  there is a copy of this show "out there" i would love
to get my hot little hands on a copy too !!!!

love !

claire

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please remove me from the mailing list. it's nothing personal.... i was just ho
ping to get concert info only. thanks

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subject:      re: free to be you and me
x-to:         "smurphy@ups.edu" <smurphy@ups.edu>

i loved the free to be you and me album.  i think i listened to you 10
times a week when i was little.  i also saw the video a couple times,
which was equally good.  i think i was just recently talking to gwen
about it.  weren't we gwen?  is it still being produced?  i would love
to have a copy of it again.  i think i had the record when i was little
and seem to recall being crushed when i left it sitting next to the
heater.

-jessi

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>from:  smurphy@ups.edu[smtp:smurphy@ups.edu]
>sent:  friday, june 21, 1996 10:58 am
>to:    multiple recipients of list indigo-girls
>subject:       free to be you and me
>
>i was pondering my early childhood musical influences the other day,
>and
>one album that my mom got for me and that i listened to continuously
>throughout my childhood was free to be you and me.  i was curious if
>anyone
>else listened to this cause possibly i was thinking about a correlation
>between it and future love of the indigo girls.  just a theory.  and
>coincidently, buffy saint-marie writes and sings some of the songs.
>and
>for those of you poor souls who don't know about this album, it's a
>children's record (although i still listen to it, and technically i'm
>not a
>child:)   and it has all these great songs that try to teach kids about
>equality and sexism and great stuff like that.  it's so great!!!!!!!!
>anyway, just curious.  love sundara
>
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subject:      music faves

        well, to jump onto the bandwagon and start another trend (like the
bios a few months back...  quite cool), here are my music faves in no
particular but somewhat sort of order...

jackopierce
indigo girls
dar williams
gerard mchugh
tori amos
scot ninneman (no joke!)
barenaked ladies
tracy chapman
james taylor
10000 maniacs
dr. hook & the medicine show
the medicine show (a local band)
toad the wet sprocket
leadmill (a little self promotion...)
beck
alanis morrisette

make sure to keep an eye out for my post regarding my new tape coming out
this summer!!!  i just about have all the songs recorded, now it's just time
for mixdown and packaging.

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subject:      more music suggestions

hey y'all i forgot some of my other favorite music.

nanci griffith - "other voices, other rooms" "flyer" great voice, great songs.
james taylor - tack your pick!
simon & garfunkle - take a listen to greatest hits. (told you i was old!)
paul simon - "graceland" "rhythm of the saints"
the beatles - "revolver" "rubber soul" or "let it be"
jimmy buffett - "changes in latitudes, changes in attitudes", "son of a son of
                         a sailor"
peace y'all

dan perkins

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from:         abigail <abaroo@execpc.com>
subject:      re: free to be you and me

ooh! i just love free to be you and me! brings back memories of singing in
kindergarten while my teacher played guitar to songs from the record. at my
summer camp, the song free to be you and me has been voted in the top ten
favorites for every summer i can remember! the record was actually based on
a book of stories, poems, art, and songs with themes of tolorance, gender
equality, and peace. i recently found a copy of the book free to be you and
me in my library bargain bin for 35 cents! i definately agree that the book
and songs can shape the lives of children. i'd say i've been affected
greatly by learning acceptance of others at such a young age through songs
like these. if you haven't experienced free to be you and me, you should try
to find it. i'd say used book stores would be your best bet. i recently
tried to find a copy of it for my friend's birthday and was informed by a
friendly sales clerk at barnes and noble that it's no longer in print. the
clerk and i had some fun reminiscing about the book though. so, it's good to
know other people out there have enjoyed this book too.

                      :) abigail

from free to be...you and me:

"there's a land that i see
where the children are free
and i say, it aint far
to this land from where we are
take my hand come along
lend your voice to my song
take your hand, come with me and we'll run

to a land where the river runs free
to a land through the shining sea
to a land where the horses run free
and you and me are free to be, you and me...

every boy in this land
grows to be his own man
in this land every girl
grows to be her own woman!
take my hand, come with me
where the children are free,
take my hand come along, sing a song...

to a land..."

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from:         stacy <socwat@wvin.com>
subject:      re: caroline aiken - "this side up" tour

at 12:23 am 6/21/96 -0700, you wrote:
>i'm there :) i also want to see ani difranco but i cant remember for the
>life of me what day she is playing...
>
>kristina
>
>on thu, 20 jun 1996, gwen keyt wrote:
>
>> okay seattle listees, who's gonna meet for ca at bumbershoot??  email me!
>> and thanks for posting this notice!--gwen
>> > sept 1: bumbershoot festival, seattle wa --(wild stage, 5pm)

ani will be playing on august 30th at the seattle bumbershoot festival.
definately get there early!!! i'll be at caroline's show as well!!!!
go girls!!!!
-stacy.
ssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss
sssssssstacy waterworth

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but he wears it wrapped around his shoulders...it looks pretty with his eyes."
                                                        ---ellen degeneres

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subject:      (repost) how to order the 1996 ig list shirt!!!!!  (read me!)
x-to:         indigo@clark.net, lwarren531@aol.com, scady@umich.edu,
              poohgrl816@aol.com, aneeza@cse.fau.edu

please read the following carefully...then let me know if you still have any
questions :)  thanks.
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the 1996 official "unofficial" indigo girls list t-shirt

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if you are web impaired (don't have web access), please read the very bottom
of this message for a description of the shirt :)  thanks.

please save this message!
the following will be all the info you need to get your t-shirt.  this is
the
only time the shirts will be printed...and all orders must be received by
july 9th, 1996.
this means have it in the mail no later than the 6th!  ok,
to see the shirt, designed by deb, check it out on my home page.

see it directly at:
http://members.aol.com/ncrobino/igshirt.htm

or you can check out my whole home page, starting at the begining:
http://members.aol.com/ncrobino/robspage.htm

the ig shirt page has all the info to order as well.  so please forward that
address to anyone you may think might be interested in a shirt so that they
can check out the design too.

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ordering and shirt info

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---------------
the shirts are completely a volunteer effort on my part and deb's part.  we
both have volunteered our time and talents to bring this shirt to the
list...hence, they will be sold at cost!  absolutely no money is being made
on these shirts...therefore we must have a minimum of 50 shirts ordered in
order for us to break even.  if there is any money left over, which is very
doubtful, it will be donated to a charity that me and deb agree on and
believe in.
ok,
the shirts will be printed on 100% organic fabric.  they will have an earthy
look to them, and will be completely environmentally safe!  this was a bit
more ($1/shirt), but we think it is worth it!  the shirts are very durable
and thick....excellent quality!
the shirts will go as follows:
l     $14.50
xl   $14.50
xxl  $15.50

that is it!  $3.50 is added into that price for shipping and handling ($3
for
first class, $.50 for the envelope)...so you really can't beat $11 to $12
bucks for the shirt.  we are very proud that we kept the price so low, we
had
to shop around :)
to order:
i must receive your order before july 9th!  i will be moving to ecuador in
august and i must have enough time to get the shirts printed and then
shipped
out to everyone.  i am sorry, i can't have any acceptions due to this
restraint.  so order for friends and let them pay you back:)
what to send:
1. send a cashiers check, money order (made out to rob augino), or cash (at
your risk) for the amount indicated above.  remember, shipping is included
(if you have an international order, please add a few extra bucks.).

2.also, please don't forget this!  send a shipping label with your order.
  remember, print the address you want your shirt sent to on the shipping
label.  be sure to print your label clear and legibly!  it will be used on
your package and you don't want it going to columbia instead of
california...know what i mean?

that is it!  please check out the home page for extra details..and if you
have any questions at all...feel free to email me immediately!  i am very
accessible and will answer any questions anyone might have.
also, if you are going to order....please send me an email, just to let me
know.  thanks:)

thats it!  oh yeah, an address:
rob augino
7504 dunbar rd.
wilmington, nc 28405
usa
take care everyone and i hope to hear from you soon!  thanks for the
support!
rob augino
ncrobino@aol.com


i figured it would be best to send out written description of the t-shirt
for those of you out there who may not have web access. get comfy in chair
and try to imagine this......

the shirt itself: a 100% certified organic cotton t-shirt (which means the
little ole cotton plants get to live in the field free of pesticides and
other junk). the shirt color is "natural" (ya know, off-white).

the front design: a left chest imprint that represents the girls. it
consists of two iconish/hieroglyphic guitar playing characters (similar to
the ones on the indicated ii cover). one rests in a mustardy colored not so
perfect rectangle and resides next to one in a burgandyish not so perfect
rectangle. the words "power of two" are in a handwritten looking font and
reversed out of a black not so perfect oval that rests above the
characters. below the image is the address of the list.

and if had the patience to draw
that with the keyboard characters
i would put it here --------------------->

the back image: one of amy's streams interspersed with lyrics by emily that
echo the stream's sediments. amy's words are in an upper case distressed
type font and printed in the burgandy color. emily's words are in a
lowercase handwritten looking font and printed in the mustard color. the
words are as follows:

i will walk down the street
i will walk down the street
i will walk down the street and i will hold my head high.

(my life is part of the global life)

i will walk down the street and i will say hello to everybody
and i will hold my head high.
i will say hello to everyone

(if the world is night, shine my life like a light)

i will not be ashamed
i will fall down and i will get back up again
i will not be ashamed

(nobody gets a lifetime rehearsal, as specks of dust we're universal)

i will not be complacent
i will not be complacent
i will not be complacent

(by grace my sight grows stronger)

and we will not be complacent
and we will not be complacent
and we will not be ashamed

(my place is of the sun)

and we will be alive
and we will be happy
and we will walk down the street
and we will smile and we won't worry about it

(each life has its place)

we will not be racist
we will not be sexist
we will not be homophobic
we will not hate

(the evil ego and the vice of pride
is there ever anything else that makes us take our different sides?)

we will love we will love we will love we will love
we will love the ones we hate
we will love the ones we hate

(little version of the symbol from the front)

...it's all in our hands
got to learn to respect what we don't understand
we are fortunate ones, fortunate ones i swear... (in burgandy)

words and lyrics by amy ray and emily saliers
all rights are theirs (in the mustardy color)

well that's about it. if after all of that you still can't imagine what it
looks like and if you have any kind of software that will allow you to view
a jpeg or eps file, let me know i can email you a file to view. or if those
little letters mean nothing to you i can fax you or snail mail you a
print-out of the design if you really, really need to see it before
ordering. just let me know!
thanks again.
rob augino

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reply-to:     paul_j._sgroi_at_01cld__lkst@ccmail.c-tec.com
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subject:      nigc: have a nice weekend...

     hi:  the day is winding down here at work and i'm thinking about what
     i'll be doing with my wife and son this weekend, and that makes me
     feel great(melody of "power of two" comes to mind, when i feel this
     way). i don't have anything else to say except,"have a nice weekend
     y'all!"
                                                 paul*nomad*sgroi

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date:         fri, 21 jun 1996 16:57:01 -0400
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from:         mmedido@aol.com
subject:      re: caroline aiken - "this side up" tour

regarding ani difranco @ bumbershoot on the 30th....

i heard that if you wanna see ani at bumbershoot
ya gotta git there when it opens and wait in line 'till it starts
(missing the other shows *sniff*).
i had to miss caroline aiken last year
in order to wait in line for patti smith
(it was a sacrifice i just had to make :)
i saw michelle malone listed as
a bumbershoot performer too !!!! :)

how about big fish ensemble ?? smoke ??
hey daemon !!!! it's a great showcase for your
artists....how about more daemon and long play
artists at bumbershoot  ???? (please, please :)
(but not on ani difranco day ;)

binky

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date:         fri, 21 jun 1996 16:57:28 -0400
reply-to:     ncrobino@aol.com
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subject:      ig shirt orders in #5--as of 6-21-96
x-to:         indigo@clark.net, lwarren531@aol.com, scady@umich.edu,
              poohgrl816@aol.com, aneeza@cse.fau.edu

the following orders are in to me as of 6-21-96.

deadline is july 9th!  no exceptions can be made, so please hurry!

thanks everyone!

amy mednick 1 xxl
jeni saulino 1 xl
laura rice 1 xl
steven reynolds 1 xl
kirsten chevalier 1 xl
greg flamer 1 xl
lisa savu 1 xl
gwen drueger 1 l
randy rohrer 2 xxl
brian harvey 1 xl
camille kearl 2 xxl 1xl
connie tsuchiya 1 l
joan ferguson 1 xl
kristina - 1 xxl
derek moulaison 1 xl
diane krause 1 xl
craig haskins 1 xl 1 xxl
jen holt 1 xl
sharon james 1 xl
whit kuhn 1 xl
lisa winters 1 l
daniel tsang 1 l
sherlyn koo 1 l
sandy robinette 1 xl
sarah street 1 xl
trant batey 1 xl
rob augino 1 xl
maren mitchell 1 xl
dana carlson 1 xl
deb hanrahan 1 xl 1 xxl
sunny bueck 1 xl
marilyn macvey 1 xl
please hurry!  get your orders in!  the absolute deadline
is the 9th of july!
thanks everyone for your support!
take care
rob
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subject:      atlanta pride info wanted please

greetings all!

i am going to be making the long haul to atlanta from northampton, ma
for pride weekend (accompanied by sue h.), and was curious about the
concerts and events that are going to be happening that weekend.  in
particular, i would like to know about the michelle malone and disappear
fear concerts, like where they are, and how to get tickets.  i really
would like to go to them, but am worried that they will be sold out
by the time we arrive, which will be sometime friday.  if someone
could email me with some info about that stuff and any other interesting
happenings i would love to know.  also, will there be a meeting of
list members, and if so where and when.  since it will be my first trip
to atlanta, i would love to meet up with fellow ig fans and hang out. i
really want to go to eddies attic, common pond  and the flying biscut cafe.
i really can't wait til next week.  i look forward to meeting some of you
at pride and before.  thanks for all your help.  take care and peace.

-deb
doobie@student.umass.edu

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reply-to:     mary kushman <ugkushma@ecuvm.cis.ecu.edu>
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from:         mary kushman <ugkushma@ecuvm.cis.ecu.edu>
subject:      nigc: biomed research

i have been listening over the past few days to the discussions about animal
use in biomedical research.  to say the least, they made me think about my
position in the field.  i have always had to deal with conflicting feelings
about what i have seen and what i personally believe.  i firmly believe that
the research i have taken part in is good research, but i also firmly believe
that a better way is possible, that it is not necessary to inflict death
upon an animal to help further medicine.  i assure you, no animal (namely, a
frog) has ever died at my hands, and one never will.

having worked in the field, i felt i should input something to this dis-
cussion.  medical ethics is a tough issue, but that's somewhat of a moot
point here.  and when it comes to the practices in the lab i have worked in,
sometimes i just don't know what to say or do.  all i know is that i don't
care so much to go back there.

i noticed the discussion has died down somewhat here in the immediate past,
so e-mail me privately if you have any questions, or whatever.  i'd be happy to
share more of my feelings and personal viewpoints with you.

--mary

mary elizabeth kushman
east carolina university
department of physics
greenville, nc 27858
bitnet: ugkushma@ecuvm1 internet: ugkushma@ecuvm.cis.ecu.edu
"we were girls in bars we were boys on the town bumping like
a pinball off a careless crowd..."
             -amy ray
"the hardest to learn was the least complicated."
             -emily saliers

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subject:      alanis (i'm so sorry, nigc)

hi...i know this is not the alanis list, but i was reading about everyone's
great musical tastes (thanks for the suggestions) and i was wondering if
any of the alanis fans have an address for a mailing list?  our sysadmin
doesn't carry the newsgroup, so if anyone knows could you drop me an
e-mail?  thanks.

jill


jefrankel@ucdavis.edu

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subject:      fan tour info 6/21/96

i have been able to get an extension on my group reservation at the best
western in newport.  the new due date is july 5, 1996.  if you are interested
in getting a room or a space in a room, i need to receive your money by then.

cost:

friday/saturday - $160 per room/$40 per person per night

sunday          - $120 per room/$40 per person per night

send money to:

bertin lefkovic
13 besler avenue
cranford, nj  07016
(908)418-7115

call or e-mail me if you need any additional information


there are no strangers here - only friends you haven't met yet

let it grow

bert

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reply-to:     andrade <andrade@az.com>
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from:         andrade <andrade@az.com>
subject:      re: does anyone have any ig music
x-to:         staci smith <indigo555@wow.com>
in-reply-to:  <199606211016_mc1-57d-45a1@compuserve.com>

>i was wondering if any one out there had any copys of any indigo girls
>music before they got all famous?  if anyone does would you please e-mail
>me, i would be willing to pay for even a copy of their music, (when they
>were first starting out) well thanks yall

normally i would reply privately to this but i just haaaave to say for
everyone to hear, please don't pay to get a copy of any ig music. if you
don't want to send a tape then yeah you should offer to send a couple
bucks for the tape and a buck for return postage or something (work it
out w/ your taper) but don't pay $$ unless you're getting an original
back. there are so many ig fans on this list who would be happy to tape
something for you if you send them a blank tape and return postage -- at
no extra cost!

hmm and all of this applies to bootleg material, obviously we don't want
to be copying official releases. i sound like a mother, ack. :)

sorry if i pushed any buttons here but my buttons get pushed when people
charge others to tape the music we all love. this list is so nice, a lot
of generous people. no need to shell out extra bucks. (eerie note: u2's
joshua tree is spinning right now and as i typed that bono sings during
bullet the blue sky: "peeling off those dollar bills, slapping them down,
one hundred! two hundred!" -- dont you love it when that sort of thing
happens? it seems to happen to me all the time!)

if you still need someone to tape early ig (at no extra charge) get in
touch with me :)

kristina

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from:         camille kearl <sl6tc@cc.usu.edu>
subject:      music suggestions

i have enjoyed everyone's suggestions and needed to add a few more to =
the=20
fantastic list of musicians already mentioned--just my .02
check out  paula cole, everything but the girl, cosy sheridan,
                 bruce cockburn, carrie newcomer, and lowen and navarro.
have a good weekend everyone!
cami
btw, i went to the music store today and picked up 'ring them bells' =
(joan baez)  there had been discussion about this albumn a few months =
ago.  i=20
love it!!

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subject:      faves

hi all...

there are a few artists who drink from the same olympian stream as my
favorite ladies:
check out:
richard thompson
tragically hip (canada's finest: go for day for night or trouble at the
henhouse)
pj harvey (first 2 records...)
david wilcox
kristin hall...ooof! what great musicians, songs, etc....oooof!

2 more lil points:
* for all you who wish e would sling a little more electric guitar, check
out the geffen debut of james hall.  the album is called "pleasure club"
and it is utterly mind-blowing!  james is a former daemon recording artist,
played trumpet on fugitive and touch me fall, and is an electrifying
performer: not to be missed.

* has there been a discussion (pardon my newbie-ness) of all the greek
mythology references in e's songs?  i listened to ghost last night and
noticed 3 references in the final verse alone!  god...i have to go practice
some more...

peace and love and whatever's left,
ab


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find love by charting a course, you'll never find it."  --van cliburn

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from:         andrade <andrade@az.com>
subject:      jazzabels

i was watching a canadian entertainment show last week and a female duo
played a song that was quite catchy -- nice harmony too. get this, one
played acoustic guitar and the other played accordion! anyway they call
themselves 'jazzabels' and i was wondering if someone out there has any
info on these women. is there cd (cds?) worth tracking down and
ordering? thanks :)

kristina

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from:         richard sayre iii <rbsayre@aol.com>
subject:      something queer on mtv... ;)  (nigc)

what's that? mtv is getting purty darn cool??  yes- besides the fact that
they will soon air a gay episode of singled out!!!!!!! (and why am i not a
contestant?)
they're going to be airing a video by the band i have been talking about all
week long...extra fancy...  details to follow & sorry about the nigc. i'll
post my theory on why amy should leave matt dillon for me tomorrow, i
promise... ;)
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guess what? mtv is about to debut a groundbreaking
video from extra fancy this sunday night!

the video is for "sinnerman", starring the band and
actor alexis arquette, who plays a preacher who
eventually seduces singer brian grillo. there are two
same-sex kisses in this video, and the whole subtext
of a religious figure acting out his queer attraction.

mtv accepted this video as is!!! no editing!

here's the airing info:

sunday, june 23---mtv "120 minutes"
show starts at 12 midnight, till 2 am
the video is on about 1:40am...  :-(

here's where we need your help....

we think mtv is pretty damn cool to be airing
this video on two levels:

1) they are helping to break a new band.
2) they are presenting queer imagery in a normal,
    natural way, and they need more of these images.

(and, for once, this queer imagery is not coming from
a straight singer/band like the red hot chili peppers
(who don't kiss each other off camera) who sometimes
use queer imagery for controversy. it is cool that they
did that in their video, but, this is the real deal.)

so, we ask that you call, write or e-mail mtv to request
extra fancy's "sinnerman" video, and to thank them
for supporting the band and/or being so open-minded
to what the band is doing:

call & request: 1-800-dial-mtv (342-5688)

e-mail: mtvanguard@aol.com
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from:         "elizabeth w. anderson" <ewanders@panther.bsc.edu>
subject:      true fans
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hey y'all
    we'd love to be on your mailing list. our addresses are:
       ewanders@panther.bsc.edu
       ekkendri@panther.bsc.edu
   please send us all you have regarding the indigo girls....especially
concert list.......come to birmingham!!!!!!!!

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subject:      true fans

hey yall......
we would love to be on the ig mailing list.....our addresses are:
         ewanders@panther.bsc.edu
         ekkendri@panther.bsc.edu
please send us all of your information on the indigo girls....especially
reagarding tour dates....(come to birmingham)!!!!!!!
          thanks..
    lisa & erin

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subject:      re: faves
x-to:         abissaro@bbn.com

in a message dated 96-06-21 18:42:39 edt, abissaro@bbn.com (andrew bissaro)
mentions these as a coupl of favorites:

<< pj harvey (first 2 records...) >>

ya know, i knew i couldn't be the only one who didn't think that to bring you
my love was as excellent as dry< rid of me< or my favorite- 4-track demos....
:)

rick

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reply-to:     "christopher d. payne" <owen4@adnc.com>
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from:         "christopher d. payne" <owen4@adnc.com>
subject:      re: don't ever take a day off work...

jeremy fuksa - mob car studios wrote:
>
> that's nothing, i took a day off yesterday and came back to over 200
> messages!!!  (then again, i belong to the ig list, the dar williams list,
> the jackopierce list, and the mixmasters list)
>
> jeremy
>

ya, i know what you mean. i am on this list, and the styx list, and
average 150 mess. a day!!!

chris payne owen4@adnc.com

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subject:      re: more music suggestions

dan perkins wrote:
>
> hey y'all i forgot some of my other favorite music.
>
> nanci griffith - "other voices, other rooms" "flyer" great voice, great songs.
> james taylor - tack your pick!
> simon & garfunkle - take a listen to greatest hits. (told you i was old!)
> paul simon - "graceland" "rhythm of the saints"
> the beatles - "revolver" "rubber soul" or "let it be"
> jimmy buffett - "changes in latitudes, changes in attitudes", "son of a son of
>                          a sailor"
> peace y'all
>
> dan perkins

you should also check out "concert in central park" by simon and
garfunkel. wowowowowow!!!!! couldn't ask for a better live album from
these guys!

chris payne

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subject:      thanks yall

hello everyone,
we would just like to thank everyone who sent us the info on getting the girls early stuff...........and yes yall are all right........this is a very friendly list.........we cant get over how many nice folks are out there...............and we are grateful to you all....................peace

staci and holly

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from:         joan morrison <103161.3515@compuserve.com>
subject:      on newbies and malcontents

lately i've been getting really tired of reading all the flame-bearing, condescending
messages aimed at newbies who have just stumbled upon this list for the first
time.  true, the ideal thing for newbies to do would be to lurk for a couple of
weeks and get a feel for the list's "culture" and "netiquette," but let's please
be patient and kind to our newbie friends.  it seems to me that anyone with half a
brain would realize that people who stumble onto this list for the first time are
going to be asking a lot of the same questions we've heard answered countless times.
many fans don't live near a metropolitan area or in a town with a aaa or alternative
radio station, or even a good local live music scene.  yes, as hard as it may be for
some people to believe, there are lots of fans out there who don't even know ig are on
break right now.  they love ig, but maybe don't follow a & e's every sneeze the
way most of us do.  instead of behaving in an impatient or pompous
manner when we are annoyed, why don't we try privately (and kindly) e-mailing
these newbies and filling them in on the details they're looking for?  i mean,
really, people...we should be elated that so many people are discovering ig
and this list.  let's act more like ambassadors of amy's and emily's music and
less like snobbish owners of it.

peace and a flame-free net environment:)

joan :)

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organization: fast fingers
subject:      joan's posting

amen, girl!  we should all be tolerant of the new fans and welcome them
"into the fold" so to speak.  a&e wouldn't like to read some of the
snotty messages -- remember, we're all "part of the global life..."

cyndi

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subject:      guitar ftp sites?

what are some good guitar ftp sites to get lyrics and chords from?  aol used
to have a spot that had some listed....the nevada site...i think...but it is
gone now.  figures, when i need it, it's gone :)
thanks for the help.
take care
rob

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special bulletin !!!!!!!!
---------------------------------

i think i just heard emily saliers sneeze...and ....wait.......
yeeeeesss.......
i think that sounds like a 100% cotton hankie.

the girl with 1,000,000 ears on her head :)

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from:         scot ninnemann <scotjohn@leland.stanford.edu>
subject:      many things.

hi y'all,

can i just say that i _love_ get out the map.  now that i've heard
the music, i think i have a better understanding of what she's trying to
say... like most great songs, the music develops the meaning of the
lyrics, the lyrics just told me that she was wrestling with tough stuff
and the music told me it's all going to be okay. =)  i'm addicted to songs
that do that.

and since everyone's going off about their favorite tunes, can i say again
that dar williams rocks my world.  i also very much recommend, for those
looking for ig-ish stuff, kristen hall's "fact and fiction," joni mitchell
(especially "ladies of the canyon" and "blue,") nanci griffith's "flyer,"
sarah mclachlan's "solace," any of various cat stevens greatest hits
albums (i recommend getting the purple a&m one plus his "tea for the
tillerman"  album and then you'll have just about all his best stuff,)
'66/'67 beatles, _any_ and all simon and garfunkel, and not really ig-ish
but also my favorites:  stone roses' _first_ album, '83-'86 rem, u2's
"october,"  trip shakespeare, world party, traditional irish music in
general, and many others who i'm forgetting to name.

hey, and get our listmate julie goldman to send you her songs, she is very
talented and has a lot to say!

oh, and jeremy, thanks for the rec, i owe you big, keep me informed about
your solo project! =)

peace

scot


scot ninnemann - scotjohn@leland.stanford.edu - http://tjwww.stanford.edu/scot
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"whatever you do may seem insignificant, but it is most important that you
do it." -- gandhi    "'i'm so glad that you finally made it here,' 'you
thought nobody cared, but i did, i could tell,' and 'this is your year'
and 'it always starts here,' and oh, 'you're aging well.'" -- dar williams
"playing music is not really something you choose to do. if it's in you,
you have no choice." -- emily saliers   "all i gave was me." -- kurt wallinger
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in a message dated 96-06-21 21:31:50 edt, mmedido@aol.com writes:

<< special bulletin !!!!!!!!
---------------------------------

i think i just heard emily saliers sneeze...and ....wait.......
yeeeeesss.......
i think that sounds like a 100% cotton hankie.

the girl with 1,000,000 ears on her head :) >>

no, that was amy who sneezed.... ;)


rick
(the trouble with me is that i'm trouble- how bout a little drunken friday
nite humor everybody??-

so would you be in love with me if i had abs
if i was wrapped in a package that everyone wants
like you who's the focus of everyone's gaze
they flock around you to stare in all your old haunts

you are the buff god & i am just me or maybe
you're like apollo & i am not quite
but i know you think of me more than you say
only you need perfection like some tourist site

i tell you everything i tell you what's real
you talk to me constantly you know that i care
and you know i love you, for that i can't hide
but you want some model with cool underwear

if you could just see inside of me
you'd know that i'm the perfect match for you
if only you'd get past the shit they don't see
you'd come around to my way of just looking through

well i'm sorry you don't like me the way that i am
but there's nothing i'm willing to change
i guess we can act like we still wanna be friends
but i think that drama's far out of my range

---------everyone join in the chorus now- would you love me if i had
washboard abs...

or not.... ;)

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subject:      nigc free to be...

agatha fry, she made a pie,
and christopher john helped bake it.
christopher john, he mowed the lawn,
and agatha fry helped rake it.

now zachary zugg took out the rug,
and jennifer joy helped shake it.
jennifer joy, she made a toy,
and zachary zugg helped break it.

and some kind of help is the kind of help
that helping's all about,
and some kind of help is the kind of help
we all can do without.

                        --shel silverstein
sung on the free to be you and me album, w/ guitar.  go find this!!!

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in a message dated 96-06-21 02:10:48 edt, 103161.3515@compuserve.com (joan
morrison) writes:

>bill miller lives here in nashville

nashville....bad!

:p

jan

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hi all,

        got the july issue of ice today (a very cool newsletter with
lots of news about regular, promo, and even bootleg releases).  in this
issue is the following:

        ....on august 13, blue plate will release "women live from
mountain stage".  the complete track listing:

kd lang:  lock stock and teardrop
indigo girls:  strange fire
ann and nancy wilson:  trhe battle of evermore
emmylou haris:  sweet sorrow in the wind
ani difranco:  egos like hairdos
joan baez:  amsterdam
jill sobule:  i kissed a girl
victoria williams:  crazy mary
kennedy rose:  iron horse
heather eatman:  half of a woman
shelby lynne: reach for the rhythm
dar williams:  when i was a boy

something for weveryone on this one!

also...on the favorite songwriters list...i;ve seen most of my favorites
rool by, like kristen hall, mary chapin carpenter, carrie newcomer, nanci
griffith..et al

a few others i would like to add, not all "like" indigo girls, but all
quite excellent:  rory block, greg greenway, steeleye span (the new
album is great!), patty larkin, mary black, the story, 10,000 maniacs,
chris smither, and cheryl wheeler, to name a few :)


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the original photo monk      /                  --patty larkin

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              grrl o' cognitive dissonance" <t1kchevalier@wellesley.edu>
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>>>but (and if i could put that in 60 point type i would) to put animal rights
on the same level as the rights of african-americans, women and gays and
lesbians is extremely offensive to me and belittles the fight of each of
those groups. last i checked, dusty had no need to find fair housing and
police department that wouldn't pull her over when she drives thru a
predominately white neighborhood. she also had no need to find an employer
who would pay her the same as her male counterpart nor was she afraid she
could lose her job if she officially came out to her co-workers.

in the words of a really dear friend, "don't be so open minded that your
brains fall out."

deb<<<


last time i checked, african-americans had no fear that their children
would be euthanized due to overpopulation. also, women are not currently
raised for their meat and milk in cages that do not allow them to turn
around, and gay people are not kept in laboratories and experimented on
without anesthesia or consent.
if we lived in the early 19th century, we would all be convinced that
african-americans are not human and are not deserving of human rights. we
would be shocked and disturbed by any suggestions to the contrary. today,
we are convinced that nonhumans are on a lower moral level than we are
simply because they belong to different species. any suggestions to the
contrary strike us as ridiculous. i challenge all of you to find a
difference between the two situations.
kirsten

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http://wilbur.wellesley.edu/n-z/t1kchevalier/t1kchevalier.html

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subject:      yet more suggestions

forgive the repeats and in no particular order:

        ellis paul (new album mid july)
        disappear fear (just released album)
        ani difranco (just released album)
        gerard mchugh
        the nields
        don conessenti (altanta folks can correct my spelling)
        greg greenway
        susan werner
        the story
        the loomers (nee jon svetkey and his very loud band)
        peter mulvey
        harrod & funck (once sat an extra hour in the davis sq.
                                t station listening to them)
        dar williams

plus some classic  acts:

        sweet honey in the rock
        the beatles
        10,000 maniacs
        paul simon (& garfunkel)
        peter gabriel
        billy joel (especially before he met cb)
        harry chapin
        mary chapin carpenter
        bob dylan
        joan baez
        cat stevens
        u2 (especially before bono got weird)
        rem (especially before michael stipe got weird)

i guess i'll stop there.... the world is just full of music!

                                -- chris

                "brenda and eddie had had it already by the summer of '75...."

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to everyone on the list,
we know you guys probably know this already, but for the ones who dont the indigo girls have a screen saver out for your computers, its really cool and plays music (touch me fall)  you can cut the music off if you want to cuz it just plays the same line over and over, but it has amy and emily on your screen which i think is great. so if any one wants a copy of the screen saver just e-mail me, ill need a high density color disk to copy it on and postage to return it to you, but will be more than happy to make one for everybody that wants it.  peace

staci and holly

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subject:      birds do it, bees do it...

for the record, i once had a lesbian rabbit.

well, at least bi.  you know rabbits....

                        -- chris (still waiting for his
                                  "official 'chris' number")

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date:    fri, 21 jun 1996 19:42:27 -0500
from:    cyndi johnson <cyndigo@txdirect.net>
subject: joan's posting

amen, girl!  we should all be tolerant of the new fans and welcome them
"into the fold" so to speak.  a&e wouldn't like to read some of the snotty
messages -- remember, we're all "part of the global life..."

     out of lurkdom i come :):)
     ok i have to say something here...i think that some, no...wait wait
     wait...most of the snotty messages are people just being goofy and
     trying to put a little humor in the day (hi greg :)! if you can't
     laugh at yourself people, come on! ggggeeeeezzzz geez geez...so many
     people on here get their undies all up in a bundle when the person was
     just funning around. i think a & e would enjoy a little humor
     too...them seem like funny people who would enjoy a laugh every once
     in a while!
     kira (ducking the ever flying flames :)

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       hi there!

               i'd love to have a copy of this screen saver, but if it's
       available for retail sale, i would rather support ig by
       puchasing it.  if it's not available in stores anymore then i'd
       be happy to take you up on the offer to copy it.
       does anyone out there know if it's still available in stores?

       by the way, starting sometime yesterday evening, i started
       getting this really long header on all of my mail from the list.
       i was wondering if this is being generated on the list end or
       by my local bbs.  anyone else getting the same thing?  i'll
       be asking my sysop about it also, but would appreciate it anyone
       who might know about it could clue me in.
       thanks!!!

       tuesday's child

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hi everyone,
we are sorry, we didnt think we could get into trouble for making copys of the screen savers..........we were not trying to offend anyone, we just wanted to be nice.............hope we didnt upset anyone..................peace

staci and holly

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subject:      nigc -- compilation

hi folks!
       i just say this brief article in our local "alternative
newsweekly" paper, called metroland (from albany, ny).  i though you all
might be interested in it, so here it is.


               "music with a message"
                by samantha berman

potatoes aren't the only thing growing in idaho lately.  as a reaction
to the anti-gay initiative proposition one, a grassroots coalition of
citizens and organizations has sprouted up in spud country, standing
firmly by their opposition to keep the legislation off the 1996 general
election ballot.
   but the activists in idaho's decline to sign campaign aren't of the
usual sign-toting, line-marching lot.  they've recruited the help of
some like-minded entertainers who are really good at getting their point
across -- maybe because they sing it rather than shout it.
   and their efforts will be coming to the general public in cassette
form, a compilation put together by reprise records called "sing don't
sign".  it featured a handful of artists who have agreed to donate their
time and work to idaho's unique campaign strategy.  many artist involved
in "sing don't sign", a limited edition collection of 16 tracks, are gay
and lesbian performers whose strong personal stake in the subject at
hand colors their message true.  some bigwigs included in the mix are
ani difranco ("not a pretty girl"), pansy division ("i really wanted
you") and lauren wood ("do it yourself").
   proceeds from the cassette sales will go to the decline to sign
campaign.  the tape can be ordered by writing to the decline to sign
campaign at p.o. box 797, boise, id 88701.

brought to you by your friendly neighborhood
tuesday's child

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subject:      scot's suggestions...

when someone asked for suggestions on what to listen to, my first
reaction was to post a message saying "you have to get a copy of fellow
listee scot ninnemann's tape" but then i thought, "nah. that might
embarrass him." :p

o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o

        "the camaraderie and warmth between us
         breached places within me that had been
         closed off and permanently sealed"
                                -audre lorde

o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o

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subject:      bumbershoot/a little more info (nigc)

thought i would delurk briefly and share some more info on
bumbershoot that i ran across today.....

if you're near seattle during labor day weekend.....


08/30/96  ani difranco
08/30/96  phoebe snow
08/30/96  sex pistols
08/30/96  southern culture on the skids
08/31/96  los straitjackets
08/31/96  michelle malone
08/31/96  nields
08/31/96  phoebe snow
09/01/96  nanci griffith
09/01/96  paul cebar & the milwaukeeans
09/01/96  rankin family
09/01/96  tower of power
09/02/96  crash test dummies
09/02/96  john lee hooker

and that's just the beginning.  i don't think that they've
announced the full lineup (and i saw a listing for
carolyn aiken, too...)

something to look forward to...

ann

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subject:      re: something queer on mtv... ;) (nigc

lotsa people have been wondering when the episode of singled out (of the
closet) airs--- it's next friday, the 28th--- 7pm/6 central & 11pm/10 central

(there's a huge ad in this months out magazine...issue with me'shell
ndegeocello on the cover!!!!!! : )

rick

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>
>                         -- chris (still waiting for his
>                                   "official 'chris' number")
>
are there a lot of chris' over on this board, or is this an inside joke
that i've stumbled on to?

chris payne iwen4@adnc.com

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>
>      out of lurkdom i come :):)
>      ok i have to say something here...i think that some, no...wait wait
>      wait...most of the snotty messages are people just being goofy and
>      trying to put a little humor in the day (hi greg :)! if you can't
>      laugh at yourself people, come on! ggggeeeeezzzz geez geez...so many
>      people on here get their undies all up in a bundle when the person was
>      just funning around. i think a & e would enjoy a little humor
>      too...them seem like funny people who would enjoy a laugh every once
>      in a while!
>      kira (ducking the ever flying flames :)
>
i agree, but the newbies may not be familiar with this ribbing, take
offense, and leave. now we don't want that, do we? when i first came on
this list i said hi to everyone and put my ig discovery story on, and
almost no one even said "welcome". the other list i got on to was very
good at welcoming newcomers. i was offended and almost left (glad i
didn't though). what i am trying to say is that, if we make the
newcommers feel as welcome as possible, we all will benefit from good
conversations in the future.

chris payne owen4@adnc.com

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subject:      re: hi all

>
>        by the way, starting sometime yesterday evening, i started
>        getting this really long header on all of my mail from the list.
>        i was wondering if this is being generated on the list end or
>        by my local bbs.  anyone else getting the same thing?  i'll
>        be asking my sysop about it also, but would appreciate it anyone
>        who might know about it could clue me in.
>        thanks!!!
>
>        tuesday's child

  yes i am getting the same thing, but only from the ig list (not the
styx list that i am on). sorry, i don't knoe why either!

chris payne owen4@adnc.com

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subject:      re: bumbershoot/a little more info (nigc)
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oh it's good to be a washingtonian *dancing around*
and it is an act of some nice god that nobody else is on ani's day! (yes,
i proclaim 8/30/96 to be ani's day!! mark it on your calendars.)

anyway, i marked the people i wanna see so if anybody else is going to
try and catch these acts then contact me eventually and we'll make
arrangements to meet up as we know more specific info. :) this is still a
ways away.

kristina
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> thought i would delurk briefly and share some more info on
> bumbershoot that i ran across today.....
>
> if you're near seattle during labor day weekend.....
> 08/30/96  ani difranco
> 08/31/96  michelle malone
> 08/31/96  nields
> 09/01/96  nanci griffith
> 09/01/96  tower of power
>
> and that's just the beginning.  i don't think that they've
> announced the full lineup (and i saw a listing for
> carolyn aiken, too...)

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subject:      faves and emilys' cold(minimal igc)

hi all!
whats this i hear about e having a cold? will she be able to sing on =
the 30th i hope so 8-))
ducking (i was only joking!)
most of my favorites have been covered but thought i'd =
mention/remention
favorite performers
no rankings
( besides ig of course)
        catie curtis
        sarah mclachlan
        laurie smith (another  canadian i think, haven't heard much but =
would like to)
disappear fear (new release)
        vance gilbert( good and funny)
        keb mo
        richie havens (didn=b9t he do a cover of strange fruit a many years =
ago) or was it
        taj mahal?
        odetta
        buffy st. marie
        wendy bucklew
        dede vogt
        caroline aiken
        danielle howle
        michelle malone
        gerard mchugh
        michael lorant & bfe
        chief seattle
        laura nyro
        ferron
        joan baez
the corrs
oldies
jim croce
        big bill broonzie?(sp)
        leadbelly
        eric darling
        sonny terry
        brownie mcgee and on and on....

'nuff
marilyn

..still crazy after all these years.. (p. simon)

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subject:      1993:  taking folk to new heights

may 14, 1993 -- the cincinnati enquirer

indigo girls taking folk to new heights
by cliff radel

the indigo girls have become the thelma and louise of popular music.

just as the susan sarandon - geena davis movie redefined the genre of buddy
films, the strong-willed, feminist-oriented, eclectically composed songs of
amy ray and emily saliers have expanded the once-narrow definition of folk
music.

their influence is so pervasive that the indigo girls are being categorized
as a genre unto themselves. their music transcends genders. male groups say
they do "indigo girl-type material."

what exactly is that?

"it's eclectic acoustic music," says ray. "it spans singer- songwriter folk
songs with a country influence to garage rock 'n' roll.

"we're influenced by neil young, joni mitchell, husker du, patti smith and
the punkish types mixed in with the singer- songwriters." ray is pleased and
displeased when "someone says they're doing indigo girls-type music. it's
flattering to hear.

"yet, i heard this story the other day about a record label signing 'this
indigo girl-type group.' it just made me sick. these people don't know what
they're walking into. they're not being accepted on their own terms."

ray knows that song and dance. since the indigo girls started recording in
1985, they have been cast as the odd women out. they weren't folk. they
weren't rock 'n' roll. officially, they are contemporary folk - that's what
the grammy awards calls them. the duo's latest album, "rites of passage,"
was nominated in the best contemporary folk category. (competing against
albums by joan baez, t bone burnett and michelle shocked, rites lost to the
chieftains' "another country.")

at the beginning of the indigo girls' career, they "didn't play that many
folk clubs," ray recalls. "we couldn't get that many gigs because we were a
little louder. we weren't seen as the proper, coffeehouse group. so, we
turned to the punk clubs."

to survive the clubs and establish an identity, saliers and ray put on a
strong face in person and in their material. they came up with such songs of
strength as "closer to fine" and "hammer and a nail."

their strong-willed image has been a blessing and a curse. it has earned
them a solid reputation in a business where women are synonymous with
bimbos. it has also typecast them as being "too strong." and this has had
its negative repercussions.

"radio won't play us. mtv won't touch us," ray notes. "we're too strong.
we're too influenced by the lesbian subculture or the alternative culture.

"they are so progressive on mtv in other areas, racial issues and the 'rock
the vote' program. they have got to get women on there who are more earthy.
and, i don't just mean lesbian women. i mean women that don't fit the
stereotype of women in rock 'n' roll."

indigo girls have spent a career fighting stereotypes. even their current
tour goes against the grain. the first leg is a back-to- the-bars tour for
the duo and their four-piece band. the club shows come with an added bonus.
to the first person in line goes the right to select the songs in the show's
program.

"we give them a form," ray says. "it has a list of songs on it from all of
our albums and some hints, like, pay attention to tempos, pick an equal
number of amy's and emily's songs."

the second part of the tour features just the duo playing college arenas.
"we get a great feeling when we play colleges. young crowds have an energy
that propels the show."

usually, it's the other way around for these kind of tours. acts leave their
bands at home when they play the clubs. they take their bands with them into
the arenas.

that is not the indigo girls' way.

"we like to play by ourselves before we take a vacation," ray says.

the indigo girls are taking off the next six months, which means they won't
be playing the lucrative summer amphitheater circuit.

"we're just doing two festivals," ray says. "one features some four-voice
singing at newport (r.i.) with joan baez and mary-chapin carpenter."

talk about a choir of strong wills and strong voices. indigo girls meet baez
and carpenter is a tower of power.

"it's hard to be strong," ray admits. "at first, you read all of the reviews
and want to know what everybody is saying about you. then it dawns on you:
'all i can do is play my best and be the best person i can be.' when you
realize that, you're lucky. because, nothing else matters."

the indigo girls are not alone in the category of women making strong-willed
music.

the duo's amy ray calls the roches (sisters terri, maggie and suzzy roche,
whose recordings have emphasized out-of-the- mainstream harmonies and
subject matter), "the major torchbearers for women in music."

"they had to go through everything first. they were the ones who went into
the studio and were told by producers they couldn't play their instruments
because they were women. they were the ones who had to hear the rude
comments made by the audiences. they made it possible for us to be here today."

there is strength in numbers, however. ray maintains that "the alternative
scene" (i.e. modern rock) has made music more open-minded.

"without it, people would have never heard shawn colvin, suzanne vega, joan
armatrading and tracy chapman."

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subject:      all of your helpful suggestions!!!

wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!  i never expected such a response to my request for music
ideas!  i started thanking you all personally, but i have lost all feeling
in the two fingers that i type with. so, to all of you who didn't hear back
from me, thank you from the bottom of my ig loving heart. i went into boston
over the weekend to check out the used cd stores. i finally picked up 1200
curfews, along with tori amos "little earthquakes" and mary-chapin carpenter
"come on come on". i just can't wait til next payday! who needs to pay the
bills, anyway? i'm on a cd search.

oh, one quick question: while i was searching, i came across some very
expensive ig cds that i'd never seen before. they had import stamped on
them. can any of you fill me in on these? i was tempted to buy them all to
add to my ig collection, but i remembered this wonderful list and thought
i'd ask first.  :)

hugs,
deb

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subject:      re: all of your helpful suggestions!!!
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> oh, one quick question: while i was searching, i came across some very
> expensive ig cds that i'd never seen before. they had import stamped on
> them. can any of you fill me in on these? i was tempted to buy them all to
> add to my ig collection, but i remembered this wonderful list and thought
> i'd ask first.  :)

these are commonly called "bootlegs" and technically they are illegal in
the states but most of us buy them anyway -- i know i do. most bootlegs
are live concerts but a few are compilations of rare tracks or b-sides.
the best advice is to write down the titles and ask the list which has the
best sound quality. i have listened to a lot of boots and elected not to
buy them after hearing the sound quality. if you're lucky enough to shop
at a store that will allow you to listen to any cd before purchase,
definitely do this for boots. most boots are priced around $22-30, i
wouldn't pay much more than that.

kristina

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subject:      inquiring minds want to know (nigc)

hello! =)
      tis i, your old pal sarah, with another one of my brilliant ideas... =)
just a little survey.  eleven questions of igc or not.  for fun.  no
obligations.  no strings.  no psychological interpretations of your answers.
just one of those little things i like to do to keep myself entertained...
satisfies my curiosity and such... i'll post the results if anyone would care
to read them. =)  this should be a fun game. =)  please send answers to me
with the title "survey answers".  let the questioning begin! =)

1) i have been on the ig list for:
    a) less than 1 month
    b) 1 - 3 months
    c) 3 - 6 months
    d) 6 - 12 months
    e) 1 - 2 years
    f) more than that

2) my three very favourite indigo girls songs that have been officially
released are...

3) my one least favourite indigo girls song that has been officially released
is...

4) my favourite ice cream flavour is:

5) list your top eleven favourite solo artists.

6) do you own all of the officially released indigo girls' albums?  (if not,
why not?)

7) list your top eight favourite bands.

8) do you listen to michelle malone?  how much do you love her music? =)
what do you have of hers?  would you be interested in expanding your
collection?

9) if you could take nine albums with you on a long, long trip, (keeping in
mind that you are going somewhere where you will not be able to buy any more
music) which would they be?  (these should be the types of albums that you
can listen to many, many, many times over and not hate after a few hundred
plays...)

10) do you think being grammatically correct is important at all?

11) are you happy with the direction of your life?  what are some basic goals
of yours?

that is all for this round of questioning... see you all later! =)  peace,
love, and open windows, sarah

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subject:      musicians in atlanta?

are there any musician/singer/songwriters in the atlanta area looking for
someone to collaborate with? if so please e-mail me so we can chat. thanks
y'all !!

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subject:      ctf 45

hi all. thought i'd delurk for a moment and ask a question. the other day i
was in a used record shop and found a perfect copy of a ctf single. it was
only 50 cents, so of course i bought it. it says "demonstration not for
sale" i was just wondering if anyone has any thoughts on this.

jeni

*love isn't dead, it's only hiding
and i know, we can find it inside
if we just let our hearts collide
                                -sonia rutstein (love isn't dead)
                                        disappear fear

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subject:      daemon records mailing list

hi! i am new to the list and wanted to know if anyone out there has the
e-mail address to amy's indie label's(daemon records) mailing list. i'd like
to subscribe, but do not know who to contact. thanks.

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subject:      can't see ig @ nff? see 'em @ bumbershoot!!!

omigod, i can't believe this---two posts in 24 hours!

i forgot to add one other group to my bumbershoot info post:

drum roll.....

aug. 31     indigo girls

i am not making this up.

i have before me the june 21 "what's happening" section of the
seattle pi, and on page 17, in the hot tickets column, on the
right hand side, it says (and i quote this without permission...)

>rescheduled:  a concert by the seattle men's chorus at pier
62/63 has been rescheduled aug. 31 at bumbershoot, as the
opening act for the indigo girls.

end quote.

kinda seems logical, given all of their friends who are
appearing at the same festival on the same weekend.

sarah!  this is the festival i told you about!  maybe this
is the year for your trip to the northwest!!

i'm soooo very glad that i could share this with all of you!

g'night!

ann

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subject:      ig @ bumbershoot

ok, it's been a couple years since i went to bumbershoot but this is how i
remember it... you buy a ticket to get in and then all the music is free
(like the n.o. jazzfest). they have several outdoor stages, indoor stages
with dancing room only (no chairs) and some indoor stages with chairs.
lots of really great food too. *:)

the big (well, not really that big) indoor theatre where the big names
play is limited seating and people start lining up as soon as the gates
open to guarantee a seat. once it's full they turn everybody away. i am
going to guess ig will play in this theatre but hey, what do i know.

anyway, i'm there at 4am if i have to be to get inside to see a+e, so we
should have some fun doing a whole lotta sitting around and waiting that
day. i'll bring cards and a chess set. :)

bumbershoot is a really great festival so if you want to take a vacation
it would be a whole lot of fun. seattle is a *fun* city to visit.

oh bumbershoot means "umbrella"

kristina

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subject:      seattle audiences

i am also willing to bet good money that the seattle audience will kick
serious ass all over the lame new orleans audience on 5/4 *huge grin & wink*

fly on over and see for yourself :d

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subject:      mr. ninnemann, a plea, and a nice, hot bowl of oatmeal (nigc)

hello again, all, and wassail! =)
      tis i, your loveable, furry old pal sarah, with yet another of my
poignant and timely posts! =)  i know you're all sitting on the edges of your
seats, so, with out further ado, (not to be random, but, if you haven't seen
"much ado about nothing", it really is a cute film, though a small percentage
of the acting is thoroughly meritless.  rent it.  you'll like it. =) ) i
shall get on with the topics at hand.
      first, i would like to refer to a message written long, long ago in a
galaxy not so far away by our very own mr. scot ninnemann. (that seems like
an abundance of n's, scot, so i do extend my humblest of apologies should my
spelling be incorrect.)  as i have tried and tried (but have failed
miserably) to forward a portion of this message, i shall have to paraphrase.
"i need to promote my music, blah, blah, blah, i want you all to hear my
latest batch of songs called "the plaid album", blah, blah, blah, like indigo
meets dar and the beatles with some sarah mclaughlin and trip shakespeare,
blah, blah, blah, i will send it to you for a blank and postage." (i mean no
disrespect, scot, with my "blah, blah"s, btw.  they just happened.)  to this
i say, "why are you people still sitting there reading?  why aren't you going
right now to address an envelope?!?!"  yes, lords and ladies, one and all,
this means you.  all of you poor, unfortunate souls (oh, dear!  was it i who
made that disney reference?  no, it can't be!  it must have been my evil
twin, skippy...) who have yet to hear the divine song-stylings of mr.
ninnemann should immediately (yet calmly, so as not to disturb those around
you) get a 90-minute blank tape and send it to the address at the bottom of
your screen! (actually, it's probably not at the bottom of your screen yet,
but i've always wanted to say that.)  now, you won't be getting any ginzu
knives or anything, but you will be getting one heck of a groovy album by one
heck of a groovy guy! =)  a must have, folk(ie)s! =)  to prove to you that
you are dong the right thing, i shall share with you a personal story. =)  i
always carry four tapes with me, for the sole purpose of expanding the
horizons of those around me. =)  this month, those tapes have been none other
than a michelle malone boot (surprised?), the no 4 may boot (featuring
michelle malone), a mix i made for one of you and haven't sent yet (but to
which i'm having a terrific time listening...), and, yes, you guessed it!
"the plaid album"! =)  last week i made my friend joel listen to it on the
way to see "the birdcage" (another fine film that gave me an enormous case of
the giggles) and he spent the rest of the night singing "boyfriend,
boyfriend, boyfriend...", which, i suppose, you might have to have the tape
to understand, which brings us back to do, a deer, a female deer... (oops!
skippy's returned!) which brings us back to... you need a copy of scot's
tape! =)  send scot a blank tape.  how hard is this?  it seems you are all
making it seem more difficult than it really is!  all you have to do id get a
90-minute blank cassette (which i'm sure you all have lying around) toss it
in an envelope, write scot a cute little note (making sure to let him know
that i was the one who convinced you to do it, so that he will consider me
for the position of his personal publicist later in life when he's rich and
famous and i'm not...), toss in a couple of postage stamps, address it, and
send it on its merry little way! =)  if you heard him on indy 3, you _know_
you have to have more, so here's your chance! =)  it's that simple, so get to
it! =)  no excuses!  (did i ever mention that i'm in sales? ;) )  just do it,
though.  seriously. =)  scot's address is:
scot ninnemann
704 campus dr. #13c
stanford, ca
94305
      next up, the plea.  now, as far too few of you know, i am attempting to
compile a tape.  an excellent tape, of course, of locals and lesser known
artists that you, my list compadres, feel should be exposed more.  i already
have some _great_ contributions, but i must have more! =)  do write if there
is a band or artist in your area that you love but of whom you don't feel the
rest of the country is aware, etc, etc.  musical genre is completely
irrelevent, and i welcome all contributors.  when this tape is finished i
shall offer it to the list and anyone who contributes to it shall have a copy
absotively, posolutely free of charge! =)  do write, though, as i hope to get
this all underway asap! =)
      third, the oatmeal.  not a pressing issue.  in fact, no issue at all,
but it made for a nice title.  it would also make for a nice "part of this
complete breakfast", eh?  i hesitate to bring up breakfast foods, for debates
seem to spark from such innocent things here in indigoland, and i would hate
to be the instigator of another grape nuts debate or anything like that...
bert (a sesame street favourite) likes oatmeal.  i like oatmeal.  ergo, i am
bert?  (if god is love, and love is blind, does that mean that stevie wonder
is god?)  on that note, i shall bid thee all farewell.  have a wonderful day
and be sure to commit at least one random act of kindness, if not more! =)  i
expect full reports of your random acts on my desk by monday! =)  actually,
do write if you have any cute ideas for those.  i'll make a list.  my
personal favourite is to always pay the toll for the person behind me in an
attempt to start some sort of chain of kindness... =)  "i believe in little
things..." - joe raposo.  anyhow, off i go! =)  peace, love, and butter
biscuits to you all, sarah

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subject:      fwd: queer on mtv... ;) (nigc, but some mmc!)

sarah was so excited about seeing michelle that she just sent this one to
me!! ;)

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subj:    re: queer on mtv... ;) (nigc, but some mmc!)
date:    96-06-23 07:36:15 edt
from:    sanawike1
to:      rbsayre

in a message dated 96-06-22 12:45:21 edt, you write:

<< lotsa people have been wondering when the episode of singled out (of the
closet) airs--- it's next friday, the 28th--- 7pm/6 central & 11pm/10
central
  >>

this has nothing to do with anything (but michelle, of course...), but it's
too bad it's airing then, because i, along with a list friend, shall be at
eddie's attic seeing the divine michelle malone at 7pm! =)  anyone else going
to be there? =)  if i'm buying stuff from her for you, you might want to drop
me a line.  or, if you're _interested_ in my buying stuff from her for you,
be _sure_ to do so and i shall be happy to fill your needs. =)  anyhow,
that's all... peace, love, and old woodsheds, sarah

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subject:      1994:  unplugged and outspoken

april 1994 -- out magazine

indigo girls: unplugged...and outspoken
by holly crenshaw

"it was like an out-of-body experience," laughs emily saliers, one-half of
the grammy award-winning indigo girls, recalling her performance with
partner amy ray in front of millions at last april's march on washington.
"we walked up those rickety old metal stairs onto that high stage and looked
out at all those people. we closed our eyes and took a leap of faith to sing
that song. i was so nervous i thought i was going to throw up - i don't even
know if we stayed in pitch."

that monumental gathering was a long way from the small atlanta clubs where
the indigo girls first presented their intense, introspective songs,
performed with a complex interplay of their two acoustic guitars and voices.
beginning with their 1988 epic debut, the duo have continued to reach beyond
their acoustic, folk- oriented roots, a creative journey that culminated
with "rites of passage" in 1992, a critically acclaimed album that showcased
their eclectic swirl of offbeat instrumentation and confident songwriting.

to record their new album, "swamp ophelia," the indigos settled in nashville
during the waning weeks of 1993. once again they've teamed up with producer
peter collins and long- time side players such as sara lee (bassist of the
b-52s and gang of four) and noted session drummer jerry marotta. bold forays
into electric guitar work and other unexpected embellishments come from
guest musicians such as the roches and multi- instrumentalist lisa germano,
from john mellencamp's band.

"the new songs reflect what i've been going through, which is coming off the
road and getting in touch with people," saliers says. "so a lot of them have
to do with interpersonal relationships. and also my age - having turned 30
and looking forward to the next part of my life." ray adds, "this album's
very moody, and i think some of it is kind of a stretch for the listener."

case in point is "this train (revised)," where ray molds her stark
impressions from a visit to the washington, d.c., holocaust museum with a
refrain inspired by an old woody guthrie song. that kind of topical
outspokenness - an indigo girls constant - will continue through their
summer tour of europe, australia, and the united states, including benefit
concerts for several native american groups. "and we'll continue
fund-raising for organizations that deal with aids, pro-choice issues, gay
rights, environmental stuff - all those knee-jerk liberal causes, as my
conservative friends say," jokes ray.

despite being openly gay in their personal lives, the indigos haven't been
publicly identified as such by the mainstream media. ray laughs when told
there is still lingering confusion about her sexuality. "i always thought it
was funny when people would ask me if i wanted to come out, because i
already am out, i've always talked about it very matter-of-factly, because
personally, i never felt the need to be in the closet." she's been in a
committed relationship for five years, a fact she's not about to hide.
"that's my life," she states.

saliers, who's more reserved, admits that she's been reluctant to discuss
her sexuality publicly. "i've always thought of myself as a very private
person, and i'd be that way whether i was straight or gay," she says. "i
object to sexuality becoming a focus. i just basically did not want to be
thought of as first of all gay, and then secondly as an indigo girl, so that
the music was always secondary." yet over time, she says, "i finally decided
that it is important - for the cause and for understanding - to come out
publicly."

both are quick to acknowledge that strong support from lesbian fans was
essential in launching their career. ray feels, though, that some
misperceptions endure from an earlier conflict with the separatist community
stemming from the indigos' refusal to play shows that barred men from the
audience. "i can see a place for separatism in history, especially in the
growth of the gay movement," she explains, "but i thought that was defeating
the purpose of what my music was about."

the indigos say that being lesbian has also played a positive part in
countering pop music's notoriously fickle nature. "i think it's brought us a
very closely knit network of fans who tend to be very loyal," says ray. "but
emily and i always struggle with the question, have we been discriminated
against? realistically, i think we have." not, she's quick to add, by their
record label or, in general, by the press, but by radio programmers and the
powerful music video market.

"i think mtv is in the stone age as far as gay rights are concerned," ray
states. "and i'm not just saying that because i want them to play our
videos. i just get a real sense when i watch them that gay women are not
going to get much of a chance on mtv. they're very far behind - and if they
want to be on the cutting edge, they should do something." from the vantage
point of an indigo girl, that's an exciting place to be.

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subject:      tori amos :) nigc

yes, she is scheduled to appear on the tonight show on thursday!

jude :)

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subject:      1200 curfews

as some of you now, i finally bought 1200 curfews yeterday. now, can any of
you tell me how i managed to survive so long without it?????? it is
absolutely positively wonderful!!!!

hugs,
deb (busy listening to her new cd)

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subject:      re: musicians in atlanta?

>from:   in%"emilysalrs@aol.com"
             ^^^^^^^^^^
hmmm...are y'all thinking what i'm thinking?
but why would emily be enough of an idiot to use aol? ;)
kirsten

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subject:      re: ig @ bumbershoot

in a message dated 96-06-23 04:48:49 edt,kristina writes:

>the big (well, not really that big) indoor theatre where the big names
>play is limited seating and people start lining up as soon as the gates
>open to guarantee a seat. once it's full they turn everybody away. i am
>going to guess ig will play in this theatre but hey, what do i know.

think..key arena...(it was closed for remodeling last year)(yuk)

claire
(who was hoping for a show by hash or flunkie...elitist that i am ;)

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subject:      need info about atlanta pride on june 30

hey folks,

i am seriously considering driving down from nashville to see ig at atlanta
pride next sunday (only 4hrs, ya know).  i know lotsa info has been posted about
this, but could some kind soul from the atlanta area (or who is very familiar
with getting around in atlanta) e-mail me privately and let me know what time
they will be playing (i've heard somewhere between 3 and 6 p.m. edt), who else
will be playing that day, and how to a) get to piedmont park via automobile or
b) where to pull off of the interstate and park and ride the marta to piedmont
park.  i will be coming into atlanta from i-75.  also, i've never been to atlanta
before, so i'll need directions that an idiot could follow (wouldn't wanna get
lost ya know:)  i also would be very interested in meeting up with some list
folks before the show!

peace and thank's in advance y'all,

joan :)

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subject:      no way to treat a friend

while browsing through olga (on-line guitar archive) today for some ig
tablature, i ran across the chords and the lyrics for "no way to treat a
friend."  i don't remember seeing this song before! (or i may have overlooked
it...)  could someone please send me some info about it, including where to
get a copy of it?

the lyrics really hit home...i'd love to slap my ex-boyfriend in the face
(and other places) with it (especially on a hot, humid day like today).
:>   :>   :>

--mek

mary elizabeth kushman
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department of physics
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a pinball off a careless crowd..."
             -amy ray
"the hardest to learn was the least complicated."
             -emily saliers

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subject:      lyric query
in-reply-to:  <960623085925_419917071@emout09.mail.aol.com>

long long ago on the radio i heard what the dj said was an indigo girls song
with a lyric that had  something about "your high horse" in it. i taped it but
then the tape was damaged. i've always wanted to hear that song again, but
cannot remember the title, and haven't seen anything resembling it on the ig
albums i've come across. anyone out there know what this is?

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subject:      re: lyric query

yeh, the song is "high horse". here it is.
--
"high horse" is an emily saliers song, presumably written in 1987, as
it appears on the original release of "strange fire."  though they
used to perform the song live, emily now hates this song.  don't
expect to hear it live anytime soon.

                       high horse

you had your chance to show affection
you had your chance to give me more
and now that she's found new direction
you make your way to my back door
what makes you think the whole world wants you
give steel a kiss and it will bend
the flesh is weak, but when all is said and done
spirit's all that's left in the end

ch:
if you have to saddle your high horse
go on and ride out of my sight
you never had the time of day for me
and now you want to spend the night
you're big with the come-on like it's no big deal
        (no big deal to you)
you let the wild wind blow your course
i do not want the dirt from your shoes
or from the hooves of your high horse

the way i see it, there are few things left
to hold on to and keep your head
your sense of humor and integrity
there's nothing funny about what's being said
there was a day when i would let myself be trampled
as long as it was done by you
but i took so much abuse, now i've had ample
there's no way that you'll break through
--


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subject:      re: tori amos :) nigc
x-to:         hunterj1@aol.com

on  23 jun 96, hunterj1@aol.com said about tori amos :) nigc:

> yes, she is scheduled to appear on the tonight show on thursday!

tori will also be on mtv unplugged on tues. night @ 10, 9 central.

i havn't caught up on mail lately, so if someone already mentioned
this, shoot me.

eric.

now playing:  robin hood (cast recording) - centerstage productions
       "to err is human, to moo bovine."

"we fight for freedom, which no good man would surrender, but with his life."

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from:         tori <musicfan@clark.net>
subject:      re: the ep and more

water <water@nrv.net> wrote:

>        y'all.. this is *not* a release put out by anybody except for
>someone with a big heart who wants to share some early indigo girls
>with people.. you will not be able to find it anywhere *but* rainy
>day records..

there are some big hearts at rainy day, but they're not exactly giving
the things away... at $35 it's the most expensive single cd boot i've
ever seen (even for a small issue), and it's not even finished. the
sound is great, and i'm glad to have it, but it's for hard-core ig
fans only. i really can't see myself listening to it all that often. i
mean, i'm an amy fan, and i find it hard to listen to the early stuff,
before amy's songwriting, and rasp, matured. :-)


tori \ musicfan@clark.net

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subject:      goodbye

hello everyone,
i'm sorry to say that i am leaving the list...i did run off with the love of
my life and had the sweetest most painful 48 hours ever..."there's not enough
room in this world for my pain.." my partner threatened suicide...i'm back
now and very unhappy...my soulmate is somewhere else and i feel like i'm
dying inside without her...i can't even listen to ig anymore, i listen to
tracy chapman and cry...i'm sorry about the birthday list, if anyone wants
the files, i'll send them to you.

enjoy life for me, someday i will too,
rachel

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subject:      daemon, help! (nigc)

i really need the phone # of daemon records, which i know i at one point
had, but seem to have lost. (abigail hits her head repeatedly. uh-oh,
talking in third person, tsk, tsk, i'm starting to sound like bob dole ;).)
anyway, i really need the number urgently, so if anyone has it and could
help me out, it'd be appreciated.  peace, love, & all things indigo,

                             :) abigail

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abigail wrote:

> talking in third person, tsk, tsk, i'm starting to sound like bob dole ;).)

>                              :) abigail
>

yes, but i am sure that you are no where near as old as he is!!!! how
else would your fingers be able to type these letters?! 8^)

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thanx to everyone who gave me answers about high horse and offers of tapes, and
thanx kirsten for the lyrics!  i'm going to try finding a boot cd with it on
it... sounds like i'm not the only one who liked that song a lot. was it cut
from the cd re-release of "strange fire" because emily now hates it? must be a
personal thing, 'coz it was a great song!  thanx again, all!     :}

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subject:      re: ep & more...price

at 04:10 am 6/23/96 +0000, tori wrote:

>there are some big hearts at rainy day, but they're not exactly giving
>the things away... at $35 it's the most expensive single cd boot i've
>ever seen (even for a small issue), and it's not even finished.


does the $35 include rd's $5 shipping charge???

michael  :-)

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subject:      re: musicians in atlanta?

on sun, 23 jun 1996, emilysalrs@aol.com wrote:

> are there any musician/singer/songwriters in the atlanta area looking > for someone to collaborate with? if so please e-mail me so we can
> chat. thanks y'all !!

hey, yeah, i'm a musician/singer/songwriter, but i'm kinda in this band
right now...  but gimme a call anyway, do you know my number okay? ;)

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subject:      sneaky girls

those mysterious igs........does anyone else feel like your mom picked up the
phone extension when you and you best friend were just talking about h?  what i
is up with amyray@aol.com and emilysalrs.......??

and don't tell me that no one else tried to mail a response!!

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subject:      re: sneaky girls

on aol, you are allowed to create about 5 different sub screen-name accounts
(called *anything*) under your main screen name.  not only that, you can
delete some or any of these sub screen-name accounts and create more.  so, if
someone has creatively named one of their sub accounts amyray@aol.com, that's
cool :)  just means that if amy should ever get on aol and want to name her
account after herself (we are talking fantasy here), she would have to call
it amyray1@aol.com.

jude :)

hunterj1@aol.com  <==the price of a common name

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subject:      ig@bumbershoot?

are there any confirmations yet that ig will be playing in seattle?
i've just been scanning the web pages on bumbershoot and there's
nothing about them there, but the rest of the line up looks fabbo...if i
can't make it to newport, i guess i could always think about seattle,
and i could go visit osu for a trip down memory lane while i'm up in
the pnw...thing is, i guess flights out that far are just as
expensive as high season flights to boston.  oh well...i can dream!
just wish ig would make an unplanned trip out europe-way aswell...

dreaming...
love helene

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              24, 96 7:28 am

jude hunter writes:

> on aol, you are allowed to create about 5 different sub screen-name accounts
> (called *anything*) under your main screen name.  not only that, you can
> delete some or any of these sub screen-name accounts and create more.  so, if
> someone has creatively named one of their sub accounts amyray@aol.com, that's
> cool :)  just means that if amy should ever get on aol and want to name her
> account after herself (we are talking fantasy here), she would have to call
> it amyray1@aol.com.

i have to admit, this bothers me somewhat.  not what jude said, but
the idea of using the name of a celebrity as a login when you aren't that
celebrity.

  i know its a nit picky thing, but given the anonimity of the net (one
never really knows to whom one is talking) it is something to think
about.  at the extreme are those that like to occasionally "pretend"
they are the celebrity at hand.  that i find really unethical and somewhat
stalker-like (and yes, its happened as i'll explain below).  more
typical is a person who just likes the person in question and takes the login
in their honor.  nothing terribly wrong about that per se, except:

        1) as jude points out above, should the celebrity
                wish the name, its taken.  (e.g.  tom clancy
                posts regularly to alt.books.tom-clancy
                from tomclancy@aol.com)

        2) inevitably some gulible newbie thinks they are taking to the
                real folks.

neither of which are tragic, but definately avoidable.

  as i hinted at above, there is an event that drove this whole thing
home for me.  i was the gulible newbie to irc about 2 years ago (i'm
rubduck -- rubberduckie doesn't fit in 9 characters =)).  i was
hanging out on #indigo-girls when someone logged on with the nick
amyray, then assumed the identity of amyray (see extreme above).  even
as a newbie i was skeptical, but this person insisted he/she was amy
ray.  said person was very knowledgeable and after 10 minutes of
skeptical questioning i in fact believed i was talking to amy.  the
person did those things that i would think amy would do -- namely take
the focus of "amy" and ask me about me.  how i came to find ig music
as a male, what i did for a living, etc.  down to earth questions
you'd expect from amy.  meanwhile my heart is all a-flutter, "i'm
taking to amy ray!"  wouldn't you?

  ok i bit hook, line, and sinker.  lets face it, i wanted to believe.
when i thought about it, if it really was amy, what bigger insult
could i send but say -- "yeah right... get a life!"  so i fell for it.
but still, to put the blame on the victim would be a mistake.

  anyway, truth finally came out when another person came on and recognized
this person as a fraud.  turns out he/she did this kind of thing frequently
as (1) a joke and (2) because he/she "liked being amy".
impersonator's words, not mine.  my thoughts are (1) not funny and (2)
that's scary, i'd hope they'd like being his/herself more.  its a
shame too.  it was a great conversation and it would have still been
so had the person been honest.  with a&e being somewhat hesitant about
the net,  this is not the sort of thing we need.

  btw, the impersonator is on this list (one of the reasons why i'm
kind of a hardliner on the personal boundry issue) as is the person
who realized what was going on.


  now, i doubt the folks from aol are of the extreme type; however, i
still think using the name of a celebrity as a login (unless its your
name too ;))  is not a good idea.  *shrug* imho, ymmv.

                        -- chris

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date:         mon, 24 jun 1996 10:00:08 -0400
reply-to:     tangho@morgan.com
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from:         holly tang <tangho@morgan.com>
subject:      atlanta pride

     you know, i'm thinking about going to atlanta pride, myself, but will
     be leaving from nyc.  could someone please send me some information
     about tickets?  sorry, if everyone has already discussed the details
     of the event.

     thanks so much,
     holly

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from:         "paul j. sgroi" <paul_j._sgroi_at_01cld__lkst@ccmail.c-tec.com>
subject:      nigc-crazy?

     hi! there's an album i would love to get my hands on. i've have only
     heard 1 song in video format on mtv.  this was years ago(late 80's).
     the song is called,"crazy" by the john hall band(i think) and the
     album was called either 'all of the above' or 'none of the above.' if
     anyone knows anything about how i can get either a cd, or cass. of
     this---please let me know...nomad

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date:         mon, 24 jun 1996 08:28:49 -0500
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subject:      boycott peta! reply!

date:    sat, 22 jun 1996 00:25:24 -0500
from:    "kirsten, grrl o' cognitive dissonance"
         <t1kchevalier@wellesley.edu>
subject: re: boycott peta!

>>>but (and if i could put that in 60 point type i would) to put animal
rights on the same level as the rights of african-americans, women and gays
and lesbians is extremely offensive to me and belittles the fight of each
of
those groups. last i checked, dusty had no need to find fair housing and
police department that wouldn't pull her over when she drives thru a
predominately white neighborhood. she also had no need to find an employer
who would pay her the same as her male counterpart nor was she afraid she
could lose her job if she officially came out to her co-workers.

in the words of a really dear friend, "don't be so open minded that your
brains fall out."

deb<<<

     ok out of lurkdom i come again! that's twice in one week folks :) for
     the record i love animals, i have a dog, sappho :) who is my bestest
     bud ever. and hangs out with dusty mentioned above on occasion! i
     don't believe in testing products on animals, i don't believe in
     causing harm but...<also in 60 point type :) hi deb!) i agree that
     putting these two on the same level is offensive.

last time i checked, african-americans had no fear that their children
would be euthanized due to overpopulation.

     can you honestly tell me that a mother animal sits around and thinks
     "oh no, i hope they don't euthanize my little baby"! i don't think so.
     i may be asking for flames here but seriously, come on!

also, women are not currently raised for their meat and milk in cages that
do not allow them to turn around, and gay people are not kept in
laboratories and experimented on without anesthesia or consent.

     they're not?..just kidding! greg's sarcasim has worn off on me :):)
     but in all honesty. i understand your concern. and although i haven't
     been in a laboratory experimented on i have had to endure dirogetory
     comments (i started to call myself dyke because i get called it so
     often! :) hell dogs don't care what you call them as long as it's in a
     friendly voice). anyway, i still don't think that you can equally
     compare animal rights to human rights.

if we lived in the early 19th century, we would all be convinced that
african-americans are not human and are not deserving of human rights.
we would be shocked and disturbed by any suggestions to the contrary.
today, we are convinced that nonhumans are on a lower moral level than we
are simply because they belong to different species. any suggestions to the
contrary strike us as ridiculous. i challenge all of you to find a
difference between the two situations.

     oh i don't even know where to start with this! first, we are not
     living in the 19th century. many possitive things have happened since
     then and i can ride the bus, go to school and work next to my
     african-american friends and associates. second, as much as i try to
     make my dog understand things, she can't reason with me. she knows
     sit, heal, down, stay, off, puppy park, leave it, are you hungry, want
     some water, walk, wanna go for a ride, no, come, ok, shake, get the
     ball...um i think that pretty much covers it, i may have forgotten one
     or two but you get the point. so tell me how does that compair equally
     to that of humans? plus, i'm only talking about _my_ dog. i went over
     to my buds house and her cats don't listen to anything i say :):):)

     i agree that some of the things they do to animals is cruel, please
     don't get me wrong on that. i just find it hard to place animals and
     humans on the same equal rights level. deb had very valid points in
     her email about dusty not having to worry about driving thru bad
     neighborhoods and not getting paid as much as her male coworker.

     ok off my soap box now :)...kira

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date:         mon, 24 jun 1996 07:57:29 -0700
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from:         "kim: from sublime to ridiculous" <rcn@prcn.org>
subject:      re: sneaky girls

at 09:19 am 6/24/96 edt, christopher m. wrote:
about a person #indigo-girls on irc who took the identity of ar + fooled
him. well, i for one don't think less of him for falling for that person's
trick, after all... who else on this list looks at the names on both
supposed messages from es and ar @aol and doesn't think "but what if it *is*
them and i insult them by posting a yeah... right... get a life..."? ( i
myself thought that as a softly sarcaastic/funny retort i could set my name
as <elvis presley>rcn@prcn.org + post to the list telling y'all that i'm
alive + well and living in powell river bc canada, and hey mamma... those
girls rock!!!... thankyou... thankyou very much... but then thought "hey...
what if???" ) sigh... it's so awful to have to be a skeptic :-)
as far as the whole "taking a celebrity's name" thing goes, i know
personally someone who got another music groups mailing list all in a flurry
of "could it be??" posts by posting as the lead singer for that band. it was
a complicated hoax, involving a "spam" thang... and my friend will never
repeat it, because she/he :-) fears legal action from the actual band
member... course... he/she :-) could be being way paranoid about it all...
me, i wish i hadn't known about my friend's hoax, because, ya know... it'd
be nice to just think ar and es had actually posted to this list... *and*
that elvis is alive somewhere here in good ol' powell river... *sigh* :-)
peace all... kim.
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they thought they'd seen it all, and they
could not make a place for a girl who'd
            seen the ocean"
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do we need tickets for ig at piedmont park? if so how much, and is there a
good chance they will sell out? please help,

thanks,

derek #1

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subject:      re: ig @ bumbershoot

okay!!! the ig are going to be in seattle???? that's do-able for me. i'm
there!!! maybe even meet some of y'all, finally... :-) yeehaaa!!!!! good
news to break up the bad stuff of late...
peace all... kim ( who will actually get to see ar + es live in concert!!! )
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they thought they'd seen it all, and they
could not make a place for a girl who'd
            seen the ocean"
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from:         helene burningham <h.burningham@ulst.ac.uk>
organization: university of ulster
subject:      ig in aug in ga

ok, so i was procrastinating a lot today, having a surf on the web,
when i was looking up stuff about nanci griffith playing at the start
of the olympics'n'all, and i found this...

a major concert series will be directed by noted recording artist nanci griffith
.
the concert area, which seats 6,500, will have more concert
performers scheduled during may and june and during the festival
period.

     march 17 - nanci griffith
     may 11 - buddy guy
     july 23 - al green
     july 27 - emmy lou harris, and beach music night
     august 1 - nanci griffith, and the indigo girls

(http://www.sportsnetusa.com/ireland/decatur.html)

...regarding the city of o'decatur festival

did anyone else know that our fave girls were going to be there...

i mean besides seeing ig in concert, an ultimately cool thing to
happen was see my 3 fave girls play at the same concert...

it really has been a dreamy day :)

talk to y'all later

love helene

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subject:      is it the lyrics or the music?

now that it's summertime and the livin is easy, i have more free time to
ponder uselessly.  in doing so, i came up with the following question:
does the die hard ig fan (those who make up this list i assume) listen to
ig for their thought evoking and inspiring lyrics or for their whirlwind
harmonies and catchy tunes?  or we could make this a nature vs nurture
debate and say some combination of both.
        i ask because someone recently posted about how e doesn't like to
play high horse anymore so we will never get to hear it live again.  i have
also heard e dis her old songwriting publically.  i believe she has
insulted never stop and lifeblood several times in recent years.  so it
seems like e rates her songs more lyrically than musically because i happen
to love lifeblood and never stop as catchy little ditties.  does a song
have to be well written to be good?  i mean if that were true, kenny g must
suck!  :)
        i personally listen to ig more for the music.  strange fire has
been my fave song for ages and i still don't really know what it's about.
some lines in it are awesome but i have no clue what the general message of
the song is and don't care to really.  the harmonies in it make it the only
song i've listened to 10,000+ times and am still not sick of.  then there's
love's recovery or watershed.  these are fabulous songs imo because of the
lyrics.  the tunes and melodies on these aren't as catchy imo but the
lyrics make em great.
        there is obviously no right way or reason to listen to ig but i was
just curious as to what others thought etc.
        only 47 days until newport!!!!

greg

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reply-to:     lorinda wright <lw01@lehigh.edu>
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from:         lorinda wright <lw01@lehigh.edu>
subject:      animal sex and peta

hey, nice subject line.

ok, i'm a little behind in my mail, so these topics might be _way_ out of line
by now, but i just can't remain silent any more. (i was never much good at
that anyway.)

sorry, but this is gonna be obnoxiously long. if you really don't want to hear
the rationale behind my arguments, and you want to skip to the heart of the
matter, than jump right on down to the last two paragraphs. (unless you want
to hear all about monkey sex. that part's pretty good. :) :)

on animals having homosexual sex. i'm surprised at how little most people know
about this subject. (i'm not chastising any of you, it's just that i grew up
with about 6 different species of animals as part of my family, and their
nature and behavior was part of my education, not to mention my everyday
experience. so this all seems so natural to me.)
anyway, yes, many (maybe even all, i don't know) species of animals display
bisexual behavior. i don't know of any specific "natural" cases where an
animal will be strictly homosexual, because the drive to reproduce is almost
always entirely overwhelming at some point or another. however: domesticated
animals that are unable to "meet that special someone" of the opposite gender
will frequently engage in homosexual acts. sex is a drive. and animals aren't
afraid to respond to it like a lot of people are. secondly: many animals live
in herd structures that consist of one dominant male who controls and breeds
with a group of females. any time you have a situation like this the natural
consequence is that there are a number of "left over" males who have no
females with whom to breed. these males typically form "bachelor herds." and
spend at least a few years of their lives in isolation with only other males
for regular company. and yes, you guessed it, they'll have sex with each
other. and my final example: there is a species of chimpanzees known as
bonobos. these monkeys use sex in much the same way we do. sex is for
pleasure, and for forming social bonds. only these monkeys will have sex at
the drop of a hat. they use it to releive tension, and they have _no_ social
stigmas attatched. so if you were to throw a bunch of banannas into a group of
bonobos, instead of them fighting and arguing over who gets the banannas, they
have sex to settle the issue. (no, i'm _not_ making this up!). and sex
includes _all_ forms of sex male/female, female/female, male/male, young, old,
etc. you name it, they'll do it. if you don't believe me look it up. there was
a time magazine article on it sometime in '94 or '95. and there have also been
discovery channel specials on it. there have been some pretty *ahem!*
interesting pictures too.

on to the next subject. i'm going to totally hate myself for getting into this
argument because i know a good share of you are going to get really mad at me,
but this is an important subject to me, and i have to say something. on the
issue of peta, and animal research.
let me first state that _no_one_ on this planet can claim to be more of an
animal lover than i. and i mean that. i'm _not_ one of those people who says,
"ooh, i love puppies, but rats are gross so i don't mind killing them." i
think every living creature on this planet has exactly as much right to be
here as i do. _particularly_ if we are talking about a creature with some
higher brain functions that give them self-awareness, and the ablity to feel
pain, fear, anger, etc. i'll be the first one to tell you that at _least_ in
the case of higher mammals (i'm not as familiar with birds, reptiles, etc.)
these creatures do have a sense of self awareness. they are each an individual
personality with individual likes and dislikes, needs, fears, etc. i don't
believe that i have any "god-given" rights that make me more worthy of
survival than any non-human animals. but, i am also one of those much hated
scientists, and i know that there are some things that peta would have you
believe that just aren't true. don't try to lump me in with "those scientists
who were raised to believe that animal research is the only way." that's
bullshit. i was raised to believe that kicking a dog is just as immoral as
beating and mugging a little old lady. but i know a thing or two about cell
cycles, disease progression, chromosomal disorders, etc. believe me, if we
knew enough about disease progression to use computer models to effectively
find cures, we wouldn't need to be looking for the cures, because we'd know
all there is to know. the level of complexity we're talking about is simply
mind-boggeling, and you ain't gonna get there with a computer model when we
only dimly understand a mere fraction of what's going on. it is true that
animal models frequently don't exactly mirror human models, and that is a
problem. but it is also true that much more frequently useful animal models
can be found to mimick human conditions closely enough. i know this sounds
cold and harsh, but it _is_ a fact. also, the argument that animal research
has led to cures for animal diseases is _true_. haven't you ever been to a
vet? haven't you ever had your pets treated for _any_ kind of disease, or
injury? haven't your pets ever been immunized? where do you think that
knowledge came from? if your answer is lucky guesses and computer models, you
are sadly mistaken. it is possible that _some_ medical advances would have
been obtainable without animal research. it is also true that a great deal of
research uses cell culture and in vitro testing that does not involve animal
research. i will also be the first person to argue that much animal research
is barbaric and unecessary (read: cosmetic industry, etc). _but_ a huge amount
of medical advancement and research would simply never occur without research
on live systems. fact: the _only_ way we could do research on human diseases
as effectively, or more effectively would be to use human beings for the
research. i don't think i need to go into the moral dilemmas raised by _that_
issue.

it comes down to this: do you value your own life/health, and the life/health
of the people you care for? do you want to live in a world where the flu or a
cut finger could easily kill you? do you want to live in a world where most
babies die before their first birthday, and life expectancy is about 35? if
the answer is "no" then the second question is: if you had to make a decision
between your life (or the life of your grandmother, or your next door
neighbor) and the life of a rat, or a mouse, or a chicken, or even a baboon,
whose life would you choose? i value all life on earth, but i am a human
being, and as a human being it is in my best interest to work for the survival
of my species. it really does come down to that.

feel free to unleash your wrath upon me. actually, i welcome the wrath of
every animal rights activist out there, because it's important to keep up the
pressure to prevent unecessary and barbaric animal research. oddly enough, i'm
sorta playing for both sides here. but right now i'm just trying to spread a
little knowledge on the subject.

driving...


lorinda wright            "...and we walk in the world of safe people
lw01@lehigh.edu            and at night we walk into our houses and burn."
lehigh university                                - dar williams
bethlehem, pa

                  i will not be complacent

"jump, jangle, jiggle and rock. fly through the sky. sail across the top.
spin out, give out, give in. you're alive!"  -melissa ferrick

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subject:      power of two

hi, y'all--
apparently this didn't get through, and it's so brilliant (and i'm so
modest) that i have to try again.
love,
karey

subject: re: strange fruit, power of two
-----message text -----
i'm really sorry, y'all.  sometimes i get carried away and answer a
question before reading everyone else's replies, in most cases from people
who know way more than i do on the subject.  i will try to read before
typing in the future.  just gettin' a little trigger-happy.  (key-happy?)
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all skate, now reverse. :)
i wanna talk about the happy song now.
(kim: go nuts with your spacebar)
i wrote a paper on so as a whole and examined 3 songs closely (lotk, p02,
dmh), and this surprised me: po2 has the most lyrics!  doesn't that seem
strange, given how light and happyish it sounds?  ah, but the plot
thickens! :)  the reason this song is so happy is that it's talking about
the absence of pain/nightmares/general bad stuff.  so it's up to the music
to make it upbeat.  the very beginning es interesante tambien (sorry, just
came from spanish class).  if you listen closely there's a little laugh,
and that's right before the intro, which sounds kinda bluesy to me.  cool,
huh?, and then the rest of the music is upbeat, major key, etc.
  also, everybody notice how po2 is in the middle (almost) of the album?
see, so has this great dichotomy: aloneness/alienation versus
togetherness, and the rest of the songs have the former up front and the
latter as subtext.  but po2 is the only one where that's reversed.  isn't
it great that we're together, cos it's that lousy to be alone.  (the
bluesy intro fits into that.)
i love how complex the girls are!
peace and sunshine,
karey

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date:         mon, 24 jun 1996 11:10:14 -0700
reply-to:     karey weisman eals <karey@u.washington.edu>
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from:         karey weisman eals <karey@u.washington.edu>
subject:      nigc--kira's defense of humor
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i think the problem here might be geography.  like, what you find funny
varies depending on where you come from (or live).  i lived on the east
coast for several years, and was shocked when i discovered that out here
(seattle), many people don't understand sarcasm.  i'd make some joke, and
they'd go, "well......that's not really what i meant" in this puzzled tone
of voice.  and, to echo what many listees have said, since we can't see
the speaker's face or hear her/his voice, it's very difficult to tell how
they mean something.  maybe we all just need to lighten up a bit.  me
included!
love,
karey

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subject:      jonas & ezekial

i know we discussed this in our "song a day" series, but can we go back to
it for a sec?

what is it about?  to listen to it, i always thought jonas & ezekial were
native americans.  but i seem to remember someone posting about this being
of religous nature.

help!?!?

take care,
- jen hall

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subject:      guitarists: kristen hall?

do any of the guitar players on this list (i know you're out there!) have
chords worked out to _any_ of kristen hall's songs and would you be
willing to share them with a tone-deaf fellow listee?  i'd be eternally
grateful (as would my cats, who howl every time i pick up the guitar...)
thanks!  kate

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subject:      nigc - more suggestions

i love to discover and hear new music, so thanks for the suggestions.
what about:

the walkabouts
when you think you have figured them out, they will surprise you again. they
are soooo creative and productive you will have trouble keeping up. chris
and carla are really incredible. they are from seattle but don't let that
fool you. what to call their music? i don't
know...folkrockgrungedoompop...or something.

http://www-und.ida.liu.se/~e95hengo/walkabouts.html

k's choice
poprock band from belgium, were support act for ig in europe and america.
sarah's voice get's me every time. they did rockin' in the free world with
the ig.

http://cal052052.student.utwente.nl/muziek/kschoice/index.html

there is also a sony page but they only have info on the debut album,
because the new album was, according to sony, too heavy. stupid because the
new album paradise in me is brilliant. okay, heavier than the great
subconscious club but great non the less.

texas
scottish band with great singer sharleen spiteri
(they sing the opening song for "ellen").

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/texasfan

beverly jo scott
american singer/songwiter living in belgium, blues orientated.
http://www.sonymusic.be/intl/bio/bjscott.html

marlee macleod (singer/songwriter).
http://tt.net/mcool/macleod.html

right now i am listening to paul westerberg's eventually...great album, but
you already knew that of course.

all the way from holland, europe wishing everyone a great summer,

claudia : )

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subject:      nigc--seattle area performances this summer, plus some personal ,
              babbling

hey all,
got some info if you live here or will be around this summer.
*july 12, 7pm: laura love band, at 3030 12 st. s.e., in auburn. free!
*august 4, 3pm: jo miller/laura love connection, and then laura love band
at 4:30, at the bainbridge island outdoor music festival @ battle point
park. $5-10.
*also august 4, at noon: seattle peace concert (series).  golden gardens
park.  the lineup includes swamp mama johnson, an all-wimmin blues band
who are from bellingham but were down in my neighborhood saturday night,
and i talked to lisa the singer and kim the drummer and they were really
nice but i couldn't go inside and hear them b/c i'm not @#%$! 21 yet, but
anyway, go see jo miller and laura love instead b/c smj gave me this
postcard of upcoming performances, and there's about 25, and plenty
all-ages as well.  so, yeah, i've been seeing/meeting all of these
incredible local artists recently, and they're all nice in person,
especially lisa and kim of smj.  (it might have had something to do with
my classic double-take when i saw lisa and made my friend do a u-turn ;) )
(at the folklife women's concert i talked to jo miller--she's a cross b/w
k.d. lang and an elf--and saw laura love.)
sorry for the digression, but hey, this is the place for it, right?
*august 6, noon: laura love band, on the harbor steps in downtown seattle,
free.
*august 14, 7pm: patty larkin, cheryl wheeler, john gorka, and cliff
eberhard, at the woodland park zoo, north meadow, 5500 phinney ave. n.w.,
$7.50
this is from the tempo section of the seattle times from june 20th.
----
are the girls really playing bumbershoot?  does anybody know?  cos i'm
supposed to visit family on the east coast then, but i'm willing to
shorten my visit.  i know you all understand! :)
love,
karey

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subject:      re: jonas & ezekial

at 09:19 am 6/24/96 cdt, jen wrote:
>what is it about?  to listen to it, i always thought jonas & ezekial were
>native americans.  but i seem to remember someone posting about this being
>of religous nature.
if jonas and ezekial are mentioned in reference to religion, then i would
think they were biblical prophets from the old testament. ezekial was the
prophet who warned the isrealites to flee from their city once the armies of
(syria? sp?) withdrew from their encampment around jerusalem... and jonas is
another name for jonah... the fellow who was swallowed by the big fish :-)
both being prophets of dissastor if warning were not taken heed of, i would
imagine this has some significance to the meaning of the song... but then...
maybe the two *were* native americans... what do i know?... i'm a canuck.
peace all... kim.
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     <just kim>rcn@prcn.org
"their lives ran in circles so small,
they thought they'd seen it all, and they
could not make a place for a girl who'd
            seen the ocean"
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subject:      unexpected ig

howdy y'all!

so, saturday night i am vegging out in front of the tube, surfing around =
dial.
i cruise past the austin city cable channel, where austin broadcasts =
city council meetings, planning sessions, etc. well, anyhow there was no =
show being broadcast, just a schedule of upcoming council meetings and =
in the background i here tangle up in blue off of 1200 curfews!

pretty cool. whenever i hear ig in an unexpected situation, it's always =
kinda like running into an old friend in the grocery store or something.

so... what's the song o' the week this week??

peace,

dan

"when i was a dinosaur
  i had a little bity brain.
  i never thought of anything
  i never knew before.
  when i was a dinosaur"
                 -trout fishing in america

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subject:      chiapas bound

a while back someone posted the lyrics to chiapas bound.  if anyone still has
a copy could you please forward them to me.

thanks,

trant

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subject:      oh my goodness!!!!!!

first of all, yay to all of you who listen to free to be you and me.  how
fun!

and second,  oh my goodness!!!!!! are they really coming to bumbershoot?
oh my goodness, i'm jumping up and down for excitement.  this is my dream
come true.  i have missed the every other show in seattle cause of a
variety of circumstances, and now, i can see them.  i hope this isn't a
joke, cause i will be so sad.  i now am thankful i live in the state of
washington, even though i still think i will move to atlanta.  yay yay yay!
love sundara

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subject:      guitar tablature/chords web site
x-cc:         ncrobino@aol.com

for all of the guitarists out there...

although olga (the old nevada site) has been shut down, you still have access
to a mirror of their database.  i recommend:

http://www.harmony-central.com/guitar/tab.html

this database hasn't been updated since olga shut down.

enjoy!


rob

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subject:      fare thee well...

my bright stars!  :)

you all have made me extremely welcome during my stay on this list.
i've enjoyed every minute wholeheartedly.

i am off to my summer camp for the next two months (yes indeed!  the
incredible one i referenced to in my "power of two" post!  <grin>)
yippee!  :)

don't worry -- there will be ig music in abundance, if i have
anything to do with it!  :)

see you in september (gee, that sounds like a song!  <grin>),
sincerely,
lisa j. :)

*the indigo girls perform on my birthday!  woo-hoo!...of course, i
won't be able to go, but the *actuality* of the whole event is still
special.

**if anything of dire interest comes up (new releases, compilations,
etc.), or if you need to get in contact with me, my e-mail address
will still be active.

**************************************************
lisa j. :)

"i feel like i'm babysitting except i'm not
getting paid."
                  -martha plimpton
                   "the goonies"
sarah mclachlan melissa etheridge indigo girls
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subject:      re: animal sex and peta  (nigc)

        hey there everyone.  i just wanted to repond to lorinda's post about
animals exhibiting bisexual behavior.  it's been a couple of years since i
took biology, but i remember reading about these lesbian lizards, an entire
species of female lizards who could reproduce on their own, but for some
reason, acted out sex in season with each other, though it didn't affect
their fertility.  what else, right, there's a species of fish that has one
male and a few female fish living together.  then, if the male dies, one of
the females becomes male for reproductive purposes.  oh, and rotifers.  the
quote in my book was "rotifer reproduction is odd" (campbell 2nd edition).
they have females who don't need males to reproduce.  when they do, there
are very strong female offspring and degenerate males, who "can't even feed
themselves" (yes, that's how it was printed!)  so, there are some very
interesting animal non-heterosexual actions going on out there.
        i also think that lorinda may have been exaggerating a wee bit in
saying that babies will be dying before their first birthdays and people
won't live past 35.  that's simply ridiculous. furthermore, i was pleased to
see jane goodall (!!!) on tv last night taking questions.  one was about
animal testing in today's society.  she stated that for human diseases and
drugs, etc.  there are far more accurate methods using living tissue and
cell cultures that can determine how to maintain the health of the human
race.  from what she said, these methods exist, but big companies find it
easier to continue using animals rather than develop this technology for the
future.  in my opinion, for the sake of society's health and compassion,
these advances should be the focus for the future.

i think that's it. =)

-emily

"i just hope it was o.k., i know it wasn't perfect
i hope in the end we can laugh and say
it was all worth it...
we make our own gravity to give weight to things
then things fall and they break
and gravity sings"
-a.d.

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subject:      re: boycott peta! reply!

okay--i just have to say that it is ridiculous to argue about whose
oppression is the worst.  things are bad for everyone, human and nonhuman
alike. i think that the important connection to make between
african-americans, women, gays, animals, etc. is that similar attitudes
undergird the oppression of all these groups.  i might suggest that no one
will be free from oppression until all are free--including animals and even
(gulp) the earth itself.  this is a trendy idea right now in the ecological
philosophy area right now.  the argument goes something like this:  the very
use of hierarchical categories (eg, gays are higher on the list of
oppression than animals) is inherently always already oppressive.  to make
the world more just, then, people must start using different concepts,
different ways of ordering the world in order to understand it.  i think a&e
would agree since they are heavily involved in native american issues, and
people often look to na ways of seeing the world as an alternative to
western attitudes and beliefs.

that is all for my poststructuralist diatribe today.
flame away.
--reggi
*********************
regina shelley
department of english
university of oregon
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subject:      re: boycott peta! reply!
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>>last time i checked, african-americans had no fear that their children
>>would be euthanized due to overpopulation. >>
>     can you honestly tell me that a mother animal sits around and thinks
>     "oh no, i hope they don't euthanize my little baby"! i don't think so.
>     i may be asking for flames here but seriously, come on!
how do you know that she doesn't?

>     second, as much as i try to
>     make my dog understand things, she can't reason with me. she knows
>     sit, heal, down, stay, off, puppy park, leave it, are you hungry, want
>     some water, walk, wanna go for a ride, no, come, ok, shake, get the
>     ball...um i think that pretty much covers it, i may have forgotten one
>     or two but you get the point. so tell me how does that compair equally
>     to that of humans? plus, i'm only talking about _my_ dog. i went over
>     to my buds house and her cats don't listen to anything i say :):):)

the same goes for mentally retarded humans, and do we eat them, experiment on
them, or wear their skins?

kirsten

--
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"if they don't call you a lesbian, you probably aren't accomplishing anything"
-- cheris kramarae and paula treichler
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subject:      ellis paul  (and re: kim)  (nigc)
in-reply-to:  <bdab6a37011c0e00>

on ellis paul, who i know several people mentioned on their lists,   i
took my daughter to see him at the mfa last wednesday,  it was her first
show  (she's not a year old yet),  and  i thought he was terrific.
first, he was such a nice guy, especially towards my daughter and her
friend (who is one).  he chatted with them during the show, signed a nice
message in my daughter's book so she would have a keepsake, and was just
generally very friendly.  he is now her favorite artist, replacing sarah
mclachlan, and she claps wildly when we play his cd -- could you ask for
a  better recommendation than that?

also, his music was great.  he's a very talented guitarist and a terrific
songwriter.  the songs off his new album, which will be out this summer
sound great.  he has one new song that he introduced as being about a
friend of his  "who hangs out at a place in decateur called eddie's
attac."  could this be someone we know?  actually, the lyrics, which i
didn't catch all of, seemed to be saying that she hangs out at the bar
and drinks there, not performs.

ok,  now, in keeping with recent threads, i have to make a kim comment:

yet another of the splintered kims,  kim: from sublime to ridiculous,
wrote:

> what do i know?... i'm a canuck.

a kim that's a pro hockey player?   cool, its nice to see someone with a
range of personalities have such diversity, kim the proud mother, kim the
caring friend, kim the hockey player ...

(yes i know what she ment,  that's just an attempt at keeping with the
sarcasm thread, being an east coaster and all ...)

keep your head up kim,  we're all here with you!

peace, smile, and indigo,

  harry a. keates
  email: hak@crai.com

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subject:      nigc - ani difranco

hi all,

so, ani difranco was just here in austin a couple of weeks ago.... and =
like an idiot i opted not to go to the show (basically i couldn't find =
someone to go with).
i am not real familiar with her music.. but this weekend i saw a video =
of her from a concert somewhere on the east coast. she was doing a song =
called "i am not an angry girl" (i think that's the name)...alls i can =
say is amazing!!! or perhaps wow!=20

now i want a second chance! ani, come on back to austin!!

peace y'all

dan perkins

"some natural laws will have to bend
  to get me from the shallow end
  of the gene pool
  i'm from the shallow end of the=20
   gene pool"
         ---emily kaitz

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subject:      nigc- just little ol me

hi y'all! i'm back! can i just tell you how happy i am? not that any of you
were too stressed about my absence (snicker) but it
seemed like a damn long time with no ig interactions (my friends and family
mostly just tune out my rantings and ravings about the ig these days) and i
feel like i was, um, celibate too long! :)

hope everyone has been well and happy for the past few weeks...'sgood to be
back.

cheers, honey bon-bons

susan in nh
p.s. hi susan h! i lost your email address and my phone book is buried! send me
mail please sweetie

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subject:      central texas ig fans

howdy y'all

hey all you texans! some time ago there was some discussion of perhaps =
having a central texas ig fan get together.....anyone still interested =
in doing this??

peace,

dan perkins

"but i've wandered much further today than i should
and i can't seem to find my way back to the woods."
                                       --kenny loggins

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subject:      decatur concert

i'm assuming that the august 1st concert will be at the decatur high
school. does anyone actually know where it is going to be? how about a
phone number for getting tickets?

sharon

"i can't imagine having separate careers. my greatest fear is that it'll end."
                                                  emily saliers
               "my greatest fear is that emily has a fear that it'll end."
                                                     amy ray

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subject:      goodbye friends

>i too am setting off for summer camp tomorrow, though only for one month.
>i'm already feeling seperation anxiety from you all, but my camp is big on
>indigo girls, and was in fact where i first came to love them. so, farewell
>for now, i'll be back in four weeks. have an amazing time at atlanta pride
>and during any other indigoey moments.
>
>                             peace, love, and all things indigo,
>
>                           :) abigail
>
>
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date:         mon, 24 jun 1996 20:53:13 -0500
reply-to:     molly jane b murphy <julj03a@prodigy.com>
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from:         molly jane b murphy <julj03a@prodigy.com>
subject:      nff tix, tapes, ny pride, etc.

well today i came back from my incredibly lousy, boring, summer job
in the whole wide world to find the best, most exciting, envelope of
my life, waiting at home.  6 newport folk fest tickets came to me!
so, so , so happy.  maybe things will start looking a little better
from now on : )

ummm...those of you who sent me tapes recently, don't think i've
forgotten about you.  i will surely send out my tape to you as soon
as i can.  things have been awfully busy around here and i'll be
sending them out sometime in the next couple of weeks.

is anybody going to be marching in the nyc pride parade this saturday?
  just curious about how many new yorkers are on this list.  not many
from what i've seen.

okay, one comment on something very off the subject of the context of
this letter:  cover me grey, this is coming from a huge amy person,
but does it seem like amy decided to see how many songs she could
write to the same chord progression?  i'm telling you, she could've
sung any of those lyrics to any of the chord progressions in that
song and they would've been the same.  don't get me wrong, i am
certainly not against musical development and birth (certainly what
she has gone through since cmg came out), but i'm just curious if
anybody else noticed this.  nevertheless, amy is sincerely amazing,
and deservedly so.

peace,
gwen

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date:         mon, 24 jun 1996 22:16:15 -0400
reply-to:     michael reynolds <asl@gandalf.umcs.maine.edu>
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subject:      animals and mentally retarded humans (min igc)

forwarded message:
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> date: mon, 24 jun 96 22:14:12 edt
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> subject: animals and "mentally retarded humans"
> to: t1kchevalier@wellesley.edu
> date: mon, 24 jun 1996 22:14:10 -0400 (edt)
> cc: indigo, girls@netspace.org
> in-reply-to:  <01i6af1h9nz68ww7im@wellesley.edu> from "kirsten,              grrl o' cognitive dissonance" at jun 24, 96 01:50:11 pm
> x-mailer: elm [version 2.4 pl16]
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> >
> > >>last time i checked, african-americans had no fear that their children
> > >>would be euthanized due to overpopulation. >>
> > >     can you honestly tell me that a mother animal sits around and thinks
> > >     "oh no, i hope they don't euthanize my little baby"! i don't think so.
> > >     i may be asking for flames here but seriously, come on!
> > how do you know that she doesn't?
> because she doesnt make some completely inane, stupid, borderline fascist,
> nazi comparisons in her arguements, she has half a clue about general
> humanity and i am sorry, no educated person would make the statement you did
> below
>
> >
> > >     second, as much as i try to
> > >     make my dog understand things, she can't reason with me. she knows
> > >     sit, heal, down, stay, off, puppy park, leave it, are you hungry, want
> > >     some water, walk, wanna go for a ride, no, come, ok, shake, get the
> > >     ball...um i think that pretty much covers it, i may have forgotten one
> > >     or two but you get the point. so tell me how does that compair equally
> > >     to that of humans? plus, i'm only talking about _my_ dog. i went over
> > >     to my buds house and her cats don't listen to anything i say :):):)
> >
> > the same goes for mentally retarded humans,
> hello, miss "i am against repubilcanism on my homepage and i really care
> about liberal issues but i can compare, on a list of 700 people a person who
> is mentally disabled to an animal and i wont be blasted." my name is mike,
> and well you pissed me off more than you will ever know
>
> this is not the "political correctness" patrol. this is "i am more than
> irritated by this remark, i am completely and utterly pissed off at this
> woman who goes to a prestigeous woman's only school" because she thinks --
> that no person would object to that comment
>
> this post was just as offensive as the four cornell guys post, anything that
> is posted on a gay bashing, racist or sexist newsgroup, but noone else, and i
> did wait, said nothing?
>
> do you understand what comment yyou just made, you freaking marginalized a
> viberant and diverse and necessary part of our society who for far too long,
> and unfortunately, still continuing today, was placed in institutions, the
> closets our society, the segragated classrooms, the group homes where they
> are often abused and neglected. in the 90's people with mental disabilities
> are finally beginning to advocate for themselves. african americans were
> given more freedom in the 1860's than a person with mental retardation has
> been given recently in history
>
> what really irks me is the absolute apathy of this list, if she had said
> "colored" human being, "homosexual human being" how many days of flames i
> would be hitting delete in my mail due to the flames?
>
> are we all that separated from a vision of a community where people are
> allowed to be themselves and people actually care about others in their
> community and the equal rights of all people. just because i
>  and do we eat them, experiment on firmly believe in disabled rights doesn't
> mean i cant be pro gay rights anti racism, blah blah blah. is that what the
> indigo girls sing of, coming together, caring for the street person and the
> girls with the weight of the world in their hands?  where i work, there is
> an individual who not only is mentally retarded that knew how to use
> photoshop better than alot of people on the list. he is also collaborating
> on a book, which as a writer myself found very impressive.
>
>  i am sorry i am ranting for so long, but yes people with mental retardation
> have been experimented with by our own government at the fernald school in
> waltham ma until the early seventies. many psychologist used mentally
> retarded individuals for behavorist experiments in the 1960's.
>
> i do apologize for the spelling formats, my keyboard is screwed up.
>
> ..fuck you and your untouchable face, fuck you and your whole existence in
> the first place... - ani the goddess
> >
> > kirsten
> >
> > --
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> > "if they don't call you a lesbian, you probably aren't accomplishing anything"
> > -- cheris kramarae and paula treichler
> > http://wilbur.wellesley.edu/n-z/t1kchevalier/t1kchevalier.html
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date:         mon, 24 jun 1996 22:29:06 -0500
reply-to:     "kirsten,
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from:         "kirsten,
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subject:      re: animals and "mentally retarded humans"
x-to:         asl@gandalf.umcs.maine.edu

>hello, miss "i am against repubilcanism on my homepage and i really care
>about liberal issues but i can compare, on a list of 700 people a person who
>is mentally disabled to an animal and i wont be blasted." my name is mike,
>and well you pissed me off more than you will ever know
>
>this is not the "political correctness" patrol. this is "i am more than
>irritated by this remark, i am completely and utterly pissed off at this
>woman who goes to a prestigeous woman's only school" because she thinks --
>that no person would object to that comment
>
>this post was just as offensive as the four cornell guys post, anything that
>is posted on a gay bashing, racist or sexist newsgroup, but noone else, and i
>did wait, said nothing?
<rest of flamage snipped>

look...i didn't mean to offend anyone with that comparison, and if i did, i
apologize from the bottom of my birkenstocks. nor did i mean to say that *all*
mentally disabled humans are incapable of reasoning (and i wasn't too
clear about that, it's true). all i meant to do was to say that even humans
who do not posess all the capabilities that we associate with being human
are treated as humans. this comparison has been made by many a philosopher.
okay? truce?
peace,
kirsten
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"if they don't call you a lesbian, you probably aren't accomplishing anything"
-- cheris kramarae and paula treichler
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date:         tue, 25 jun 1996 00:00:20 -0500
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from:         indigo@bbs.cowland.com
subject:      things and stuff -- sigc

hi folks!

first of all i would like to sat that i just received "live at the red
light cafe" in my mail today (thanks sherry!!!!) and am listening to it
for the 2nd time already (going for 3rd if the batteries in my walkman
don't die first).  inspite of the poor sound quality, i love it!

second, i would like to comment on lorindigo's post about animal sex and
peta.  i'd like to thank her, firstly, for the fascinating information
on the bonome (sp?) chimpanzees.  very enlightening (and entertaining).
and secondly, i'd like to thank her again for being the voice of reason
in this firestorm of controversy over the whole animal testing issue.  i
feel that her statement was the only truly intelligent thing i've read
thus far regarding this issue.  for myself, i would prefer that all
other avenues of testing and research be exhausted before any animal,
human or non-human is used for experimentation.  if that's not the case
then perhaps we should all devote our energies to instituting change in
that direction, instead of yelling at each other.  nuff said.

third, i just want to share with you all that i just bought a guitar
today!!  actually, i put a deposit on a 30 yr old acoustic harmony
f-hole.  can't wait to bring my baby home and learn to play her!  if i
ever gain access to the web, i'll be bugging you all for sights with
music and stuff.

lastly, i just want to tell you all how much this list and everyone on
it has come to mean to me.  my girlfriend broke up with me last month,
so i've been pretty depressed lately.  but everytime i check my mail and
read everything that you all have to say and share it just lifts my
spirits so much.  it reminds me that there really are so many loving,
caring people out in the world, and that gives me an immeasurable amount
of hope and happiness.  i hope that i have the oportunity to meet you
all someday.  well, i really didn't mean to get so mushy when i started
this post, but i'm sending it anyway, cause that's how i feel.

                                               tuesday's child

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date:         mon, 24 jun 1996 20:59:55 -0700
reply-to:     "kim: from sublime to ridiculous" <rcn@prcn.org>
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subject:      re: ellis paul  (and re: kim)  (nigc)

>at 05:44 pm 6/24/96 -0400, harry wrote:
>>> what do i know?... i'm a canuck.
>>a kim that's a pro hockey player?   cool, its nice to see someone with a
>>range of personalities have such diversity, kim the proud mother, kim the
>>caring friend, kim the hockey player ...
>yes... but what about kim the proud mother and caring friend of a hockey
player???
>>keep your head up kim,  we're all here with you!
>i will, harry... all the better to see those goons skating at me...
aaarrrggghhhh!!!! (geez... i shouldn't have looked...)
>peace and acceptence of difference, if not understanding of viewpoints... kim
>
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subject:      nigc listowner help please

sorry to do this to the whole list, but..

i have been trying to set to digest.  i have sent   set indigo-girls digest
to listserv@netspace.org and it keeps coming back that i am not subscribed.
aparently my e-mail address has had a minor chagne in it since signing on
and now i cannot get my list changed.  can the list owner please help get my
address set to digest as i am leaving in a few hours for several days and
the volume of the list lately will explode my mailbox.

thank you
r

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subject:      re: old ig/fmly;nff tix, tapes, ny pride, ect.

in a message dated 96-06-24 21:10:02 edt, gwen writes:

>okay, one comment on something very off the subject of the context of
>this letter:  cover me grey, this is coming from a huge amy person,
>but does it seem like amy decided to see how many songs she could
>write to the same chord progression?  i'm telling you, she could've
>sung any of those lyrics to any of the chord progressions in that
>song and they would've been the same.  don't get me wrong, i am
>certainly not against musical development and birth (certainly what
>she has gone through since cmg came out), but i'm just curious if
>anybody else noticed this.  nevertheless, amy is sincerely amazing,
>and deservedly so.

yes !!!....i think that amy has indicated often in interviews that her love
for music has prompted her to work hard at it...it is truly a gift that she
has grown and nurtured. i have been listening to their early stuff lately
and it occured to me that i probably wouldn't give it a second listen if i
didn't know who it was...a lot of it had this slow paced 'jangly' guitar
work that dominates 'cmg', they sound rather uninspired.
i hardly recognize amy on cmg, she sounds like a typical young kid
warbling earnest love songs. "you are free...through eternity.." yikes !!!
....makes me wince. (but then... you have to keep in mind that she
was what ? 17 or 18 years old at the time ?)

but then there is "nashville", which really stands out as an indication
of her talent..."thursday afternoon(color me grey)" and "falling star'
also shine.

emily's songs had a certain sophistication right from the start..
for instance, i think that "half moon cafe' could stand up next to
any of her current material.

after listening to "tuesdays children' i was desperately seeking
artificial stimulants due to it's excruciatingly sonambulistic timbre
(say that 5 times fast :). where was the duo that i know and love ????
i started wondering when that point came when things 'clicked ' for them
and they finally got into their current groove.... 'indigo girls' ? 'strange
fire' ?
i think maybe it was 'blue food'. to me this recording is where they find
their voices and start to separate from the pack.... the passion emerges....
i wonder if anyone else has any thoughts on this ???

deep in thought.......
binky

"they say that your madness, is in your genius...."
e.s.

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date:         tue, 25 jun 1996 00:47:50 -0400
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subject:      hi everybody

frist of all i would like to say to linda, that i lost your e-mail address so could you please send it to me once more so that i can give you my address.........second, what is up with this amy ray and emily saliers that are on the list, from aol?  i think it is b-s but what do you all think?  i did e-mail one of them but ofcoure no reply.............well take care everyone...................hugs and kiss'es

holly and staci

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date:         tue, 25 jun 1996 01:03:49 -0400
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subject:      going to the chapel... please help! (nigc)

hello! =)
      oh so many posts from me in such a short period... can you stand it?!?!
=)  anyhow, i shall be short, for my bed is softly calling my name... (it was
either the magic fingers or the name calling attatchment that came free with
the matress...) anyhow, i work in a music store and had a customer in today
who was looking for "power of two".  she is either having or organising a
wedding, and the music is being done by a female with an acoustic guitar.
she's looking for some other songs that might be appropriate for a wedding
that this particular female will be able to learn and play.  she was
interested in shawn colvin and a few of your other favourite
singer/songwriters.  i told her i would pool my resources and she's going to
come back in in a few days to see what i found.  so, if anyone has _any_
ideas at all, _please_ e-mail me! =)  i am so appreciative that i think i'm
going to...um...go to bed! =)  anyhow, advance thanks, and peace, love, and
birds on fire, sarah

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date:         tue, 25 jun 1996 05:18:51 gmt
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subject:      re: going to the chapel... please help! (nigc)
x-to:         sanawike1@aol.com

for those who will be responding to sarah's plea, please do send your
suggestions to me as well. i am in charge of the music for my good friend's
wedding, and would surely appreciate any advice. i'm looking at having a
string ensemble, and if i can find some, acoustic guitarists & singers...

thanks in advance!

anna

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date:         mon, 24 jun 1996 22:44:14 -0700
reply-to:     "kim: from sublime to ridiculous" <rcn@prcn.org>
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subject:      re: going to the chapel... please help! (nigc)

at 01:03 am 6/25/96 -0400, sarah wrote:
>i am so appreciative that i think i'm
>going to...um...go to bed! =)  anyhow, advance thanks, and peace, love, and
>birds on fire, sarah
and you also sarah??? i'm shocked.... with all this talk about animal rights
on here... you're setting our little feathered friends on fire, and ( it
seems ) encouraging others to follow in your senseless footsteps of wanton +
violent abandonment, cloaked as a "peaceful" activity??? flaming has hit a
new low... aimed at helpless birds.... :-)
(it's a joke, folks...) :-) lol? um... okay, it's late + harry's right...
the stress has really gotten to me... and, i'm sure there's some sort of
attachment on my eudora that lets me e-mail all my selves.... wooo-hooo...
go crazy!!! )
hey sarah... what about eric clapton's "you look wonderful tonight"? (
ummm... if that's the name of the song... it's very pretty + my friend's
young son had no trouble picking ( oh, cool! an unintentional pun!) up the
chords...
peace... kim.
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they thought they'd seen it all, and they
could not make a place for a girl who'd
            seen the ocean"
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date:         tue, 25 jun 1996 04:21:12 edt
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subject:      nigc - pride scotland march / festival

     just been to my *first* pride march'n'festival (pride scotland 1996)
     and had a wonderful time :) :) :)  why did no-one tell me how much fun
     pride marches are ????  and there was no trouble !!! :) :) and it was
     sunny all day :) :) - guess who forgot the sunblock ?

     i hope y'all have a great time at atlanta pride (unfortunately, we
     didn't have a+e at our festival).

     toodles :)

     gail - wondering how she can swing a trip to london for pride 96.

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subject:      re: lyrics or music?...

hey everybody!  just thought i'd put in my two cents concerning the music-
or- lyrics question posed yesterday...  i think that, seeing as a&e were
english majors in college, and seem to put so much passion into the words
they sing, the lyrics of ig songs are what's most important.  that's not to
say that the girls don't take pride in their work, (and progress --
especially amy), from a musical standpoint...  but it seems to me that, if
they had to give a little in one of the two areas, it would be the music, not
the lyrics.  after all, they are writers...  poets, to be exact. they love
music, but the words that they sing are of great importance to them.
somebody said in a recent post that you could take any one of amy's songs'
chord progressions, and sing any of her songs' lyrics to it, because all of
her songs are so similar chord-wise...  but the lyrics -- there's the beauty!
she has a gift for evoking passion in people with her poetry and her vocal
expression...  her music might have alot of the same chords, but the melodies
vary, and the background of chords and harmonies into which her words blend
always seems most appropriate for any given song.  i don't think she makes
any claim or has any aspirations to be beethoven as far as musicality goes,
but she does make an effort to craft her songs into what i, (and evidenly
many others), consider to be very listenable works, which leave the audience
both entertained and thinking...( and her chord vocabulary has definitely
grown over the last, say, 5 or six years!)... now, as far as a having
aspirations to be william faulkner -- hmmm...  _that_ may be entirely
possible...  ;^)

      as far as emily goes, it's quite obvious that she's somewhat
embarrassed by the quality of alot of her older writing.  she feels she's
made a great deal of progress in weeding out her former chronic
melodramatacism, in exchange for a much clearer, more down-to-earth writing
style. i think it would be safe to also say that, (in my opinion), her lyrics
have gotten alot less "opaque", and much more tangible over the years. as for
her music -- yes, songs like "never stop" have cute little melodies, and she
obviously showed promise as a composer even then, (whereas amy still needed
alot of work -- once again, my opinion, though);  but the lyrics are usually
pretty weak, and she's been the first to admit that... repeatedly.    anyway,
we all know that this story comes with a very happy :) ending --   all of us
indigo-heads enjoying the fruits of a&e's lifetime dedication to writing
songs which are at once extremely listenable and thought-provoking.

by the way, have any of you guys ever seen the 1994 issue of performing
songwriter magazine with the big ig interview in it? i just got my hands on
one, and the article is awesome...  it talks about alot of the same things
i've just mentioned.  if i find time here in the next couple weeks, maybe
i'll try to type some of it out on this daunting grey object that sits in
front of me, and send it to y'all...  interesting stuff, it is.

take care, everybody,
and thanks for noticin'...

  ----lisa

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date:         tue, 25 jun 1996 10:12:43 +0100
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subject:      no reason to support england but ...

hi folks,

living in the heart of the auld enemy's territory i'm having a hard time
with the european football (soccer) championship now that scotland have
dived out on technicalities like not scoring goals.

anyway, what's this got to do with the igs? well, the england team are playing
germany tomorrow in their pale grey shirts. except that the official name
for the colour is 'indigo blue' ... look out for them and don't even think of
getting list-shirts that colour.

back to your usual program ...

johnd

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              flamer" at jun 24, 96 1:04 pm

>         i personally listen to ig more for the music.  strange fire has
> been my fave song for ages and i still don't really know what it's about.
> some lines in it are awesome but i have no clue what the general message of
> the song is and don't care to really.  the harmonies in it make it the only
> song i've listened to 10,000+ times and am still not sick of.  then there's
> love's recovery or watershed.  these are fabulous songs imo because of the
> lyrics.  the tunes and melodies on these aren't as catchy imo but the
> lyrics make em great.


  i tend to agree, its both.  its not all the lyrics, otherwise amy
songs would often make not so much sense.  i mean can you imagine
sitting down in a literary mood trying to make sense of amy's imagery?
i imagine myself with a "dictonary of symbols" pulling my hair out screaming
"wtf is a median cat and why is it growling at me?!?"

yet it works, and works in a big way.  somehow i just know what the
median cat is all about.  or at least i think i do.  in the words of
ellis paul "if you paint her, she'd be a piccaso / she has a few
things out of place." he wasn't talking about amy, but it fits.

the one thing that surprised me is that greg offered sf as being hard
to interpret -- to me it was one of ig's more straight forward songs
*shrug* to each their own ... now if someone could expain touch me
fall to me.  the best i've heard is lorinda's hair theory ;)

                        -- chris

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just to put my vote in ...

        i have probibally said this before and will say it again and
again i'm sure ..

        the sheer beauty of ig is that the songs meanings change to the
listener during the different phases that they go thro' on the surface
songs like sf, chicken, dmh go thats and amy song it'll grow and the tune
is nice, emily is more up front with her images. however thelistener
takes different things at different times and finds the comfort in the
song ! good bad or indifferent

        i have recently fallen in love with tmf and fug and always loved
sf but right now my life is going trou' tough phases and ig help. what i
do know is that i will not always have the bad memory from these tunes
because when my head sorts itself out they will take on new meanings and
be fresh and new all over again.

        i cannot think of any other performing artists that do this for
me xcept maybe a few early rem tunes and some others. this is where the
ig belong and where they help. i'm not saying my life has been changed
because of them just the handling of the occurences within it !!

jules
when you learn to love yourself
you will dissolve all the stones that are cast !

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subject:      1929:  rites of passage

may 1992 -- epic press release

on "rites of passage", the fifth release on epic by the indigo girls, a song
called "jonas and ezekiel" begins with a few seconds of eerie ambient sound.
"that's cooper seay of the ellen james society, playing a backwards guitar
track," explains the indigos' amy ray, "and me, taking off my watch and
putting it on the music stand before i started singing. they're almost
accidental sounds, and that's the kind of thing that makes this album
something different for us. i've always wanted to do stuff like that on a
records, but we never had time to experiment in the studio that way before."

"rites of passage" really is "something different" for the indigo girls.
there's a sense of adventure in the eclectic instrumentation, and a rolling
rhythmic undercurrent created as much by latin and african percussion as by
a standard trap set. there's a new sense of maturity in the songwriting of
emily saliers and amy ray, and renewed
sense of vitality - of bite, if you will - in their delivery.

unlike past indigos albums, many of these twelve original songs were never
performed live prior to their recording. that, says emily saliers, "is the
freshness of this album, that we cut these songs without any preconceived
notions of how they should sound." the sole outside song is a stark and
riveting amy ray solo performance of dire straits' "romeo and juliet."

"rites of passage" was produced by peter collins, whose name is sure to
raise eyebrows among those familiar with his best-selling hard-rock records
with the likes of queensryche and alice cooper. "amy and i had talked to
other producers, but peter's name kept coming up from people we respected,"
explains emily. "we thought, 'no
way we'll wanna work with this guy!' but when we met in atlanta, peter said
all the right things. he was interested in using more exotic instruments -
the eastern percussion, the irish fiddle - and didn't have any ego thing
going on. a perfect combination of professionalism and the willingness to
try far-out things." collins, she adds, "could produce any kind of music."

"rites of passage" was recorded by pat mccarthy (u2, waterboys) at
bearsville studios in woodstock, new york and mixed by david leonard in los
angeles. with amy and emily on guitars and vocals, the supporting cast
includes bassist sara lee (of b-52's fame) and drummers jerry marotta, kenny
aronoff and budgie of siouxsie
& the banshees. special guests include violinist lisa germano (of the john
mellencamp band), guitarist john jennings (from mary chapin carpenter's
group), and another banshee, martin mccarrick, on cello. the indigos "have
been roches fans since we were kids," says emily, and having the three
sisters join in on "airplane" and "virginia woolf" was "a major treat - the
same goes for jackson browne and david crosby (harmony vocals on "galileo"
and "let it be me"). grammy-winning composer and arranger michael kamen
arranged the strings for "ghost." atlanta musicians cooper seay and michael
lorant of big fish ensemble also contributed musical parts.

note that all packaging for "rites of passage" including cassette j-card, cd
booklet and backer card was printed on 100% recycled paper stock, as was
this artist bio.

emily saliers & amy ray on "rites of passage"

here are emily saliers' comments on a few of her songs from indigo girls'
new album, "rites of passage":

virginia woolf: her writing changed my life this year. i'd read "to the
lighthouse" in college, but i didn't really get it until much later. my mom
bought me a copy of abridged diaries, and the writing completely spoke to my
own experience - even things like her description of an eclipse of the sun,
which happened again this year.

galileo: this is about reincarnation. it's meant to be light- hearted, like
"if this is really true, i've got a lot of baggage from my past lives!"
ghost: this is one of my favorites on the album. i think that a lot of
people can relate to what this song says about the way a person can
romanticize the "ghost" of a love. you create this beautiful memory,
minus all the pain and problems of the real thing.

airplane: i've had a real fear of flying for a long time but lately i've
been getting over it.  now, as i recognize the different sounds the plane
makes as it prepares for takeoff, i feel more comfortable. the song is about
seeing your hometown from thousands of feet up, and all the little fears
that go along with that vision. the roches' voices on this made it wonderful.

amy ray talks about some of her own compositions on "rites of passage":

nashville: this is a song from 1984 which never exactly fit in with an album
before. i wrote it when i was in college at vanderbilt university, not
exactly a hotbed of liberalism. in fact, there were some very racist and
sexist things happening on that campus, and i found the city reflected those
same qualities to an extent... as a songwriter trying to be heard, i found
it extremely competitive and oppressive. as a southerner, i feel free to
criticize from "within the family." i could say some of the same things
about atlanta that i'm saying here about nashville.

three hits: "three hits" was inspired by the poems of frank stamford. a
music writer friend of mine sent me a book of his poetry, "the light the
dead see", and i went crazy over it - it changed my life a little. i was
reading some autobiographical notes on stanford and learned that he'd
committed suicide in the early '80s at age 30 - he shot himself three times
in the heart. that image really stuck with me. so i used images from his
poems and his life: that he was adopted, that he left his wife behind. i
started this song on electric guitar, a gibson melody maker with a gun-metal
blue finish.

jonas & ezekiel: we played dartmouth college and met some real free thinkers
up there. i took a long bike ride on highway 5, on the border of new
hampshire and vermont, and this song uses references from that and from
earlier road trips - things i heard in conversation, things from the news. i
went back to the hotel and wrote down
the whole thing in one shot. it's a political song about people who put
their faith in prophesy, who're walking toward disaster instead of doing
anything about it. sure, i believe in fate, but you can take a lot of
different paths in this life and your actions do have consequences.

chicken man: this is a real person, an older guy who lives in a trailer in
the middle of this junkyard off the highway somewhere between houston and
austin. there's a big sign that says chicken man. it looks like everything's
for sale, but you'll ask about something and he'll say "oh, that's not for
sale." we got into a conversation, and some
of his values and ideas seemed incredibly comforting to me at the time. it
was the way he'd look out over this piece of land and take such pride and
satisfaction in this collection of junk! this guy was deep, he had layers of
character underneath that rough skin and dirt. "chicken man" is really a
stream-of- consciousness type song.

indigo girls discography & career highlights:

1985: indigo girls make their recording debut in the summer with the single,
"crazy game" b/w "someone to come home," issued on their own indigo label.

1986: an ep, "indigo girls," produced and engineered by frank french and
kristen hall, is released on their own indigo label in november. songs
include "cold as ice," "finlandia," "history of us," "land of canaan,"
"lifeblood," and "never stop."

1987: "strange fire," indigo girls' first full length album, is released on
indigo records in the fall. this limited-edition disc, produced by amy,
emily, and john keane, includes the original versions of "blood and fire"
and "land of canaan" plus "left me a fool," "strange fire," "crazy game" and
six more.

1988: indigo girls sign with epic records. their self-titled label debut
album is recorded in los angeles with producer scott litt in the fall.
participating musicians include peter buck, mike mills and bill berry of
r.e.m. ("tried to be true"), michael stipe of r.e.m. ("kid fears"), hothouse
flowers ("closer to fine," ("secure yourself"), and luka bloom ("closer to
fine").

1989: "indigo girls" is released in february. a single, "closer to fine,"
enters the billboard hot 100 in july and reaches #52; the album peaks at #22
and remains on he chart for 35 weeks. indigo girls tour as club headliners
and as support to r.e.m. and neil young. "indigo girls" is certified gold in
september, and "strange fire" is
reissued on epic in november with an added bonus track, the youngbloods'
"get together." a "get together" video is created in cooperation with the
non-profit housing group, habitat for humanity. in the 32nd annual grammy
awards, the indigos are nominated for "best new artist" and "indigo girls"
is voted "best contemporary
folk recording".

1990: in january indigo girls' first home video, "live at the uptown
lounge," is released by sony music video. in may indigo girls headline a
benefit concert for the children's health fund at the personal invitation of
chf founder paul simon. a new epic album, "nomads*indians*saints," produced
by scott litt, is recorded in athens, georgia and los angeles in the summer
and released in september. the supporting cast includes drummers kenny
aronoff and jim keltner, bassist sara lee, mary-chapin carpenter (backing
vocals on "hammer and a nail" and "southland in the springtime"), and daemon
records recording artists the ellen james society ("1 - 2 - 3"). indigo
girls' single, "hammer and a nail," is nominated for a grammy award as "best
contemporary folk recording." 1991: in january indigo girls make their first
appearance on the tonight show with jay leno. in june epic releases an
eight- song live ep, "back on the bus, ya'll", recorded at notre dame
university, west georgia
college, and the uptown lounge in athens, georgia, plus "1 - 2 - 3" from
"nomads*indians*saints". in december, indigo girls make their fourth
appearance on late night with david letterman. in the 34th annual grammy
awards "back on the bus, ya'll" is nominated for "best contemporary folk
album" - indigo girls' fourth grammy nomination.

1991 benefit performances: for humanitas, with joan baez and mary-chapin
carpenter (october, san francisco); for the verde valley school, with
jackson browne, david crosby and graham nash (october, phoenix); for native
american land rights in james bay, with browne and bruce cockburn (october,
new york).

1992: "rites of passage," indigo girls' fifth epic release, is issued in may.

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subject:      nigc: ani bootlegs

hey y'all,

   since there has always been quite a bit of discussion about ani difranco
on this list, i thought i'd offer the dozen or so bootlegs i have of her up
for trade. e-mail me privately and we'll work out the details.   :)
--sunny

ani difranco

out of bounds
the miki tape
ballard, wa/telluride
7/1/91 rochester, ny
1993 toronto-el macombo and assort. live
9/27/95 irving plaza, ny
11/13/95  zellerbach
11/14/95 and 5/31/96 kcrw interviews
12/2/95  boston, ma
2/24/96  lexington, ky
2/25/96 cleveland, oh
4/20/96 portsmouth, nh
5/28/96 sacramento, ca

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date:         tue, 25 jun 1996 10:48:38 est
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subject:      re: going to the chapel followed by various delusions of gradeur

surgeon general's warning:  i have offically lost it.  that's right, folks
on the list.  i have offically cracked.  i am sitting in my office laughing
hysterically at everything for no apparent reason. (i need more coffee).
i have no idea what is so funny but i jsut can't stop laughing... please
send help...

anyway:  the chapel thing-
i don't know if the cowboy junkie's count as "female music" (or whatever
exactly the prerequisite was) but the lead singer is female and i like them.
their song "anniversary song" is one of my all time favorites and i plan
on using it at my metaphyisical wedding hypothetically occurring in the next
2 years (long story that is not worth hearing)...

the refrain goes something like "i've know all these things (refering to
the verses that talk about wonderful and beautiful acts of nature) and the
joy that they can bring, and i'll share them all for a cup of coffee, and to
waer your ring."
(any song that mentions coffee-- the benevolent bean in such high reguard is
great in my opinion)

the song also has this really nice verse:
"i don't know how i survived those days before i held your hand.
i never thought that i would be the one
to admit that the moon and the sun
shine so much more brighter
when see through 2 pair of eyes then when seen through just one..."

just a suggestion.  then again many people might not want the name "cowboy
junkies" on their wedding programs...
______________________________________________________________________________

this is where i really loose it:

by the power vested in me by dr. lorindigo i grant her the award "poster of the
week" for her insightful, well-thought out, rational, and sometimes even
a bit confrontatial posts to this list.
we all learn from her and i think she is way cool.

i am having a secret e-mail affair with one of the ig mailing list members!
(he he he-- wink wink to that person!)

i love you all.  (i really need more coffee.  i am going to loose my job if
i don't get a grip and stop laughing...)

uh-- ig question.
on the honor the earth promotional stuff they talk about a new benefit c.d.
coming out august 20 that features a song that amy and emily wrote together.
i don't know the name off the top of my head, but my questions are:
1. is this a new song?  i thought i read somewhere that they wrote 2 songs
   together before way back in the day--- is the song of the release one of
  them?

2.  if this is a new, recently written song, does anybody know if they have
written any others together and if they will be released?

thanks!

in the spirit of the earth and in the name of all that is coffee,

cynthia (whose face is a nice shade of magenta and who is having trouble
breathing...)

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subject:      whoa---- ig in decatur??

decatur ga??????
someone replied to a piece of mail i obviously didn't read or something
because i'm confused............
please let me know about this... my friend in decatur would love to see them.

:)
rick
head in the sand

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subject:      a shot in the dark (nigc)

hi everyone,

this is kind of a wild stab in the dark, but heck, you never know.

is anyone planning to go to the cheryl wheeler show in bridgeport
ct on august 3rd?  and if so, would you be interested in hooking up?
or can anyone at least tell me anything about bridgeport (where to
stay, how to get around, etc)?

i'm desperate to go to this show, but i'm hesitant to go by myself (not
to mention toting all my worldly belongings on my back) to a place that
i know nothing about... call me crazy, but i actually kind of like the idea
of maintaining my personal safety. :)

anyway, any information would be appreciated...
happy happy all,
sherlyn

ps - oh my god... only 15 days left to plan this beast of a trip... ack... :)
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-   sherlyn koo - sherlyn@fl.net.au   -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
"hearts are worth the mending, though they heal up slowly;
   every beat hits soft and low.
comes a time when all the pain and hurt is ending,
   and your heart gets up to go..."   - patty larkin, 'i'm  fine'
=-=-=-   [please note that i will be away from 10/7/96 until 1/9/96.]  -=-=-=

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subject:      oooops!!!

at 10:48 am 6/25/96 est, cynthia wrote:
stuff that made me realize sarah was asking for songs done by a woman, when
she posted last night <sound of kim slapping forehead, then momentary pause
as she thinks "wow... i could've had a v-8"> sorry about the eric clapton
suggestion... uh... what about alison krauss' "now that i found you"? ...
it's way pretty... there is one small part in it where she sings "now you're
saying that you wanna leave me, but darling i just can't let you..." ... not
*really* weddingish stuff... but the rest of the song is so... uh... well,
it's a love song + sweet n' simple...
kay...'nuff already from the nuts lady :-) peace all... kim
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
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      much further, if you are smooth"
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subject:      re: is it the lyrics or the music?

in a message dated 96-06-25 07:49:44 edt, chris writes:

>the best i've heard is lorinda's hair theory ;)

okay...i'll bite.

que'esta la teori'cabello de la medico' lorindigo ?

bink
(please forgive the bad spanish :)

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subject:      russell carter

does anyone have the telephone number for russell carter's office please?
i've managed to lose it *again*... i promise to write it in a safe place
this time.

sharon

"i can't imagine having separate careers. my greatest fear is that it'll end."
                                                  emily saliers
               "my greatest fear is that emily has a fear that it'll end."
                                                     amy ray

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subject:      fan club

i recently received a merchandise order form for the fan club, but no
address where to send an order (or other correspondance).  does someone
have this address, and if i were to send in an order, might i ever get
it?!  no one replies from igfan@rcam.com.  thanks for the help!

nicholas

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>in a message dated 96-06-25 07:49:44 edt, chris writes:
>
>>the best i've heard is lorinda's hair theory ;)
>
>okay...i'll bite.
>
>que'esta la teori'cabello de la medico' lorindigo ?

ok, it's been a looooong time since i took spanish, but i get the gist of the
question, and the official answer is: sorry folks! yer just gonna hafta wait
till tmf day!!!

folkisgruven,
lorindigo

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              grrl o' cognitive dissonance" <t1kchevalier@wellesley.edu>
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x-to:         lw01@lehigh.edu

>ok, it's been a looooong time since i took spanish, but i get the gist of the
>question, and the official answer is: sorry folks! yer just gonna hafta wait
>till tmf day!!!
gotcha - it *is* tmf day!
kirsten

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date:         tue, 25 jun 1996 12:42:22 -0400
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subject:      peta and discrimination discussion

kristen wrote:

"the same goes for mentally retarded humans, and do we eat them, experiment
on them, or wear their skins?"

not any more, but for hundreds of years, and probably still today in many
places in the world, we did experient on these folks.

but what i find most interesting about this entire discussion is that anyone
who insults animals or threatens their well being is immediately rebuffed,
but when someone claimed that another person's opinion on the subject was
"retarded," no one spoke up.

something to think about...

kevin
"the mark of the immature person is that s/he wants to die nobly for a cause,
while the mark of the mature person is that s/he wants to live humbly for
one."  jd salinger

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hey binky (and others)

if you want to know the scoop, all you have to do is ask......

miranda


!!!!!!!labor day weekend is the best weekend of the year!!!!!!!

on sun, 23 jun 1996 mmedido@aol.com wrote:

> in a message dated 96-06-23 04:48:49 edt,kristina writes:
>
> >the big (well, not really that big) indoor theatre where the big names
> >play is limited seating and people start lining up as soon as the gates
> >open to guarantee a seat. once it's full they turn everybody away. i am
> >going to guess ig will play in this theatre but hey, what do i know.
>
> think..key arena...(it was closed for remodeling last year)(yuk)
>
> claire
> (who was hoping for a show by hash or flunkie...elitist that i am ;)
>
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subject:     re: animal sex and petanigc)
sent:        6/24/96 10:42 pm
to:          lorinda wright, lw01@lehigh.edu
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lorinda writes
snip <good stuff>
> _but_ a huge amount
>of medical advancement and research would simply never occur without research
>on live systems.
snip

right on!.. i've been doing a little thought experiment in idle moments.
like suppose we were suddenly sent to an alternative universe, the only
difference being that 100 yrs ago they outlawed research in animals above
amphibians. what would the. world be like today? its hard to imagine that
we would have developed heart-lung bypass capabilities, without ar. polio
would still be a major threat.you could argue that computer science
wouldn't be as advanced as the drive to smaller and smaller components
was driven by space exploration, and the first astronauts were dogs and
primates.
as far as animal sex goes its always struck me funny that people tend to
put negative connotations on * acting like animals*, when its really a
compliment, in that it is totally natural; whereas we humans, who  attach
all this moral baggage to it, are really the only species capable of
being truly bestial to each other. go figure.

oh yeah, which bonobo gets the banana?

with reverence for all life
marilyn

"as for gaspode, he was resigning himself to a life without love, or at
least any more than the practical affection experienced so far, which
consisted of an unsuspecting chihuahua and a brief liaison with a
postman's leg"..terry pratchett, men at arms


i am a problem child- i've been wild all my days...(a.ray)

..still crazy after all these years.. (p. simon)

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>
> but what i find most interesting about this entire discussion is that anyone
> who insults animals or threatens their well being is immediately rebuffed,
> but when someone claimed that another person's opinion on the subject was
> "retarded," no one spoke up.
>

i spoke privately about that reference, to both people who used it. for
all inwonder, the use of the word retarded is insulting to those who
are part of and/or work in the disability communities.  more correctly
today, the term is developmentally disabled (unless it has transformed
again, maybe mike can help me with this).  the assumption is that
someone who is "retarded" cannot comprehend something, just as the
phrase "turns a deaf ear" implies lack of comprehension, etc etc.
all assumptions that person with disabilities do not have the
capaity to comnprehend ore communicate.  not true folks.    many
non-disabled folks (or temporarily able bodied as they are also referred
as..) fail to notice the ways that poeple with disabilities *do* contribute
alongside everyone else in our world.

end soapbox...

amy p.                          /       who holds your hand
pegasus@crl.com                /        when you're alone
                              /
the original photo monk      /                  --patty larkin

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subject:      re: peta sex and animals :-0

hi folks-

i've enjoyed the discussions on this but i was wondering what amy and
emily think of these issues.  actually, i was thinking more about the
peta issue than the animal sex.

i know that amy is definitely an outspoken person in support of peta but
such an association does not necessarily mean that she agrees with peta
to the letter.  and what does emily think of these issues.

it would be nice if someone could dig up some quotes or very accurate
personal accounts directly from them so we don't put words into their
mouths.

peace-
ron

ps.  as far as the sex thing goes, isn't it hard for us to determine if
homosexuality among animals is motivated by love instead of physical
needs?  so therefore, assuming that human sexual relationships are
usually secondary to love, it might not be a good parallel.  since i'm
not gay or bi, i can only assume that gay relationships are motivated in
similar ways to those of straight people.  if this is a wrong assumption
please set me right.

>----------
>from:  m.macvey[smtp:mmacvey@attach.net]
>sent:  tuesday, june 25, 1996 10:08 am
>to:    multiple recipients of list indigo-girls
>subject:       re: animal sex and petanigc)
>
>subject:     re: animal sex and petanigc)
>sent:        6/24/96 10:42 pm
>to:          lorinda wright, lw01@lehigh.edu
>             indigo-girls@netspace.org
>
>lorinda writes
>snip <good stuff>
>> _but_ a huge amount
>>of medical advancement and research would simply never occur without
>>research
>>on live systems.
>snip
>
>right on!.. i've been doing a little thought experiment in idle
>moments.
>like suppose we were suddenly sent to an alternative universe, the only
>difference being that 100 yrs ago they outlawed research in animals
>above
>amphibians. what would the. world be like today? its hard to imagine
>that
>we would have developed heart-lung bypass capabilities, without ar.
>polio
>would still be a major threat.you could argue that computer science
>wouldn't be as advanced as the drive to smaller and smaller components
>was driven by space exploration, and the first astronauts were dogs and
>primates.
>as far as animal sex goes its always struck me funny that people tend
>to
>put negative connotations on * acting like animals*, when its really a
>compliment, in that it is totally natural; whereas we humans, who
>attach
>all this moral baggage to it, are really the only species capable of
>being truly bestial to each other. go figure.
>
>oh yeah, which bonobo gets the banana?
>
>with reverence for all life
>marilyn
>
>"as for gaspode, he was resigning himself to a life without love, or at
>least any more than the practical affection experienced so far, which
>consisted of an unsuspecting chihuahua and a brief liaison with a
>postman's leg"..terry pratchett, men at arms
>
>
>i am a problem child- i've been wild all my days...(a.ray)
>
>..still crazy after all these years.. (p. simon)
>
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subject:      daem recs question

hey all!
does anybody know if daemon records exists, or is it only found in the land of
the p.o. boxes??
im assuming it does, but do not know where or if you can go there and buy
'stuff'...

also...(here i go w/ millions o questions from my inquisitive mind..)
1. how many times have a and e jinxed (sp?) each other saying 'thank you' after
a song has ended  :)
2.i know this has been asked/discussed, but i missed it :what does amy say on
the red light boot right before cooper does 'in the afternoon', and someone says
"are you talking out of your butt'?  :)
im drawing a blank on the other questions i had, so you're off the hook for now
(thanx for listening...)
-moe

ps. i just thought of one: how do you make a 'sig' file???

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>
>>ok, it's been a looooong time since i took spanish, but i get the gist of the
>>question, and the official answer is: sorry folks! yer just gonna hafta wait
>>till tmf day!!!
>gotcha - it *is* tmf day!

wait a minute! *looks around frantically* it _is_???? how did that happen when
i wasn't looking?! well then, sorry again folks but you're gonna hafta wait
till tomorrow cuz i don't have it on my computer, and i have to go home to get
it.

is it _really_ tmf day??
folkisgruven,
lorindigo

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lw01@lehigh.edu            and at night we walk into our houses and burn."
lehigh university                                - dar williams
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subject:      re: fan club

indigo girls
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write "merchandise order" on the envelope for faster service.

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i recently received a merchandise order form for the fan club, but no
address where to send an order (or other correspondance).  does someone
have this address, and if i were to send in an order, might i ever get
it?!  no one replies from igfan@rcam.com.  thanks for the help!

nicholas

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subject:      re: animal sex and peta  (nigc)

sorry folks, this is a long one again. read if you like.

thanks for the further comments on animal bisexuality. i'm always curious to
hear more. ;)

>        i also think that lorinda may have been exaggerating a wee bit in
>saying that babies will be dying before their first birthdays and people
>won't live past 35.  that's simply ridiculous. furthermore, i was pleased to

an exaggeration, possibly. rediculous? no, not at all. actually, we are on the
verge of a bit of a medical crisis right now. the fight to keep one step ahead
of bacterial infections is exactly that..._one_ step ahead of the bacteria.
antibiotics were the "miricle drugs" of the 20th century. before penicillin
bacterial infections _routinely_ killed people. particularly the very young or
elderly. before the 20th century the infection from a relatively minor wound
could quite easily kill you. certainly babies are _far_ more suseptible to
minor infections, and for now we can fight them off with anitbiotics. my point
is, that today, we use antibiotics, and the bacteria evolve to fight off the
drugs almost as quickly as we can create new antibiotics. we are quite
literally on the verge of an age when a routine tonsilectomy can easily kill
you because of the infection that follows. today we can still manage to combat
that infection. tomorrow? who knows. to be honest with you, i know very little
about the process of developing new antibiotics, and i would suspect that the
process involves more bacterial cultures, and less animal research, but the
process of getting new drugs on the market (as it now stands) always involves
animal trials. i don't think it's at all rediculous to suggest that such
research would suffer dramatically without the use of animals. this is just
one handy example, and i want to stress here that i'm not angry or fighting
with you in any way. i'm simply trying to carry on an intelligent dialogue.
your responses are always welcome.

>see jane goodall (!!!) on tv last night taking questions.  one was about
>animal testing in today's society.  she stated that for human diseases and
>drugs, etc.  there are far more accurate methods using living tissue and
>cell cultures that can determine how to maintain the health of the human
>race.  from what she said, these methods exist, but big companies find it
>easier to continue using animals rather than develop this technology for the
>future.  in my opinion, for the sake of society's health and compassion,
>these advances should be the focus for the future.

i love jane goodall! sorry i missed that one. but here we go again. ;) it _is_
true that there are other methods at our disposal. cell culture is a huge one.
_but_ these methods simply _cannot_ always replace the use of live animals. i
wish with all my heart that that could be the case, but it simply isn't at
this point in time. i also think it's unfair to characterize drug companies as
these big heartless entities that take pleasure in killing. true, all too
frequently they will take the slightly less costly avenue and use animals to
save themselves a few bucks. i find that appalling. but that's not how all
research works. the very fact that these other non-lethal methods exist (i.e.
cell culture, etc) is a sign of the fact that researchers are trying to find
ways not to have to use animals. i've been there. i've talked to researchers
who use animals. some consider the animals to be useful machines. that makes
me angry. but most of the people i talk to go _way_ out of their way to ensure
the proper care of the animals (which is actually the law), and most of the
people deeply regret the harm to the animals. furthermore, most are striving
for ways to reduce the numbers of animals they use.

if you want to make the argument that researchers frequently treat their
animals with less respect than they should, i 100% agree with you.

if you want to make the argument that there are cases where animal research is
unnecessary and  can and should be replaced with non-lethal methods, i 100%
agree with you.

if you want to make the argument that steps should be taken when possible to
reduce the amount of research that actually ends up being lethal to the
animal, i again agree with you.

you can even make the argument that we should no longer pursue any more cures
to any more diseases, and we should just live with the medical knowledge we
have, or can aquire using non-lethal methods, and i wouldn't agree with you,
but you could certainly make that argument.

but (and i'm truly sorry about this) i simply cannot agree with the argument
that all use of animal research could stop, and we could all spend a little
more money, and wave a few magic wands and still get the significant research
done. it simply isn't true.

oh, and one more thing. your closing sentence, "in my opinion, for the sake of
society's health and compassion, these advances should be the focus for the
future."

to a large extent they are. it may not seem like a lot, but great advances
have been made, and the number of animals used in research has been reduced
dramatically. also, the _comfort_ of those animals is an issue that has been
addressed, and conditions have improved significantly.

personally, i focus my efforts on improving conditions, and reducing the need
for animal research, not on bringing all medical research to a screeching halt.

folkisgruven,
lorindigo
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lw01@lehigh.edu            and at night we walk into our houses and burn."
lehigh university                                - dar williams
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date:         tue, 25 jun 1996 15:41:23 -0400
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subject:      janis ian on gh, great music tastes(nigc)
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        first of all i would like to commend you all on your vast and
wonderful tastes in music.
        moving along, janis ian sang on general hospital friday.  it was
their episode for the aids day of compasion.  the show was sad and the
song was beautiful.  i was wondering if anyone out there could recomend
an album of hers to buy.
                                                        amy

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i agree the song was great. does anyone know the name of it?

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subject:      the attic

well, while crawling around looking for the rest of my janis ian albums ,
got 'em when i was in college..thats about 23 yrs ago..i ran across the
first judy collins albums i ever got..you must listen to this lady.. way
back in the early days before the throat troubles..she and joan baez were
"where it was at"..
man, i hate dating myself but  if ya got any..haul out laure
nyro..beautiful
also on the oldies list..ya gotta hear janis joplin..nobdy but nobody
(sorry melissa!) does the blues like janis..
then we go to the queen of rock..gracie slick when she was still with the
airplane..i worked with her band when they were hot when i was still in
the music business...
now for the more refined taste,,you have to check out cleo lane..the
woman could hit high e above c long before marih carey was even a hint in
her daddys eye...
then how bout. rickie lee jones..great bee bop..worked with her..she
came off stage to discover that another woman was "on her turf"
(me)..spit on my shoe and went back for an encore..never quite figured
that out..but shes a great singer..
ok..headin back to the attic..( finally got out of the closet, now its
the attic)
thanks all
pooh

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subject:      ahhh!!! sod.... is it *really* tmf week????

kirsten, (grrl i differ w/ but support her right to express opinions and
even make the occasional, errrr.... easily misunderstood analogy....) said:

>gotcha - it *is* tmf day!
>kirsten
                it is?  how'd i lose count?!  really?

ahhhh!!!! no way!! where are all of you!!!!!!!????
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
         /
~8^o - |---<     (yes my legs are *that* short)

sorry, but tmf *bugs* me b/c i just don't get it and here it is tues and i
am no closer to understanding it and don't y'all know it is *your job* to
make me understand????  <grumbling> <wild eyed frantic stare>      you only
have  <counting on fingers....>  5 days left!!! really, i have tried.. i
have read the lyrics a gezillion times, listened in headphones, tried to
spin the cd backwards (do not try this at home, kids), and even dangled the
cd over my ouija board... but all i get for all this is frustration!!!

please?  something? anything?  oh heck - lie to me for gawdssake *i* won't
be able to tell!

tracy <waving to my west and ever-so-slightly north... 9 days!!! whoo hooo!!!>l
~~~~^~~~^~^~^~^~^^~~~^~^~^~^~^~^^~ (homesick for mountains)
"the dreams came in like needy children
          tugging at my sleeve....
i said i have no way of feeding you
           so leave...."
        --- emily saliers "prince of darkness"

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> i don't know if the cowboy junkie's count as "female music" (or whatever
> exactly the prerequisite was) but the lead singer is female and i like them.
> their song "anniversary song" is one of my all time favorites and i plan

yes, i adore this song.  my best friend claimed he had heard a new natalie
merchant song on the radio so he came over and went through all my natalie
merchant and 10,000 maniacs cds trying to find this song. he insisted i
was missing a 10,000 maniacs cd! (gasp) he can't carry a tune to save his
life so he couldn't even hum the song for me. finally (about 3 months ago)
he heard it on the radio and called the station. the dj told him it was
cowboy junkies "anniversary song." he bought the cd and rushed it over to
my place and i said "oh this song!" :) hehe. but it's beautiful, perfect
for any wedding methinks.

> on the honor the earth promotional stuff they talk about a new benefit c.d.
> coming out august 20 that features a song that amy and emily wrote together.
> i don't know the name off the top of my head, but my questions are:
> 1. is this a new song?  i thought i read somewhere that they wrote 2 songs
>    together before way back in the day--- is the song of the release one of
>   them?

it's called blood quantum and it's brand new.

> 2.  if this is a new, recently written song, does anybody know if they have
> written any others together and if they will be released?

the only other one i can think of is "i'll give you my skin" which they
co-wrote with michael stipe. it is on a peta benefit cd called "tame
yourself." i think a+e consider it a disaster and a prime example of why
they don't write songs together. i just found this cd for $9.99 at a music
shop downtown and they have another one in stock. if anybody *really*
wants this (it's out of print) then you can email me and we'll work
something out.

kristina
andrade@az.com

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subject:      1996 ig list shirt--orders in as of 6-24-96!
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just got back from raleigh......and was pleasantly surprised by 23 letters
for the shirts!!!!  thanks y'all!  and thanks for all the personal "good luck
in ecuador" messages :)  i appreciate that :)  so here it is, the updated
list of orders in as of 6-24-96.

deadline is july 9th!  no exceptions can be made, so please hurry!

thanks everyone!

amy mednick 1 xxl
jeni saulino 1 xl
laura rice 1 xl
steven reynolds 1 xl
kirsten chevalier 1 xl
greg flamer 1 xl
lisa savu 1 xl
gwen drueger 1 l
randy rohrer 2 xxl
brian harvey 1 xl
camille kearl 2 xxl 1xl
connie tsuchiya 1 l
joan ferguson 1 xl
kristina - 1 xxl
derek moulaison 1 xl
diane krause 1 xl
craig haskins 1 xl 1 xxl
jen holt 1 xl
sharon james 1 xl
whit kuhn 1 xl
lisa winters 1 l
daniel tsang 1 l
sherlyn koo 1 l
sandy robinette 1 xl
sarah street 1 xl
trant batey 1 xl
rob augino 1 xl
maren mitchell 1 xl
dana carlson 1 xl
deb hanrahan 1 xl 1 xxl
sunny bueck 1 xl
marilyn macvey 1 xl
r.sefton smith 1 xxl
sheri yamada 1 xl 1 xxl
stacy sheperson 1 xl
corinne simpson 1 xl
cyndi johnson 1 xl 2 xxl
pooh 1 xxl
derek duncan 1 xl
gwen keyt 1 xl
rose culbreth 1 xxl
mary kushman 1 xl
rena shear 1 xl
howard barlow 2 xl
deb o'donoghue 2 l
ann labeck 1 xxl
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60 orders so far~!!!!!  yeah!  we are over our 50 limit!  so all is beautiful
and on schedule at this end.
please hurry!  get your orders in!  the absolute deadline
is the 9th of july!
thanks everyone for your support!
take care
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subject:      re: janis ian on gh, great music tastes(nigc)
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at 03:41 pm 06/25/1996 -0400, you wrote:
>        first of all i would like to commend you all on your vast and
>wonderful tastes in music.
>        moving along, janis ian sang on general hospital friday.  it was
>their episode for the aids day of compasion.  the show was sad and the
>song was beautiful.  i was wondering if anyone out there could recomend
>an album of hers to buy.

oooohhh...... a janis ian fan?????  and they called me crazy way back when i
was buying all her albums!!!!
ok... the general rules of good janis ian music are:
if you can get a hold of her first album (put out in '68 or '69 or something
like that) with 'society's child' on it.... get it!
skip anything you find between that one and 'stars' (of which the title cut
is outstanding, it also has 'jesse' (roberta flack re-did this one and had a
big hit with it) and a couple others of my personal favorites on it.
next come 'between the lines' with every teenage girl's lament 'at 17' on
it..... this album has alot of really great material on it.
next came 'roses'.... and ok album, but not her best.
next came 'miracle row' which was a commercial flop but had (imho) some of
her greatest work on it.  the songs are very up-lifting and moving (quite a
departure from her tendency to introspective/pseudo-depressive songs).
after that, came a few more un-sucessful releases and at least one movie
sound track (a made for tv thingy.... something having to do with a circus
and was one of mare wingham's first movies).
after that, i pretty much lost track of janis ian until 'breaking silence'
came out (i still kinda don't like this one).

does that help????

marianne
aka kidfears

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subject:      the mysterious tmf-- sotw

can it possibly be as simple & as complex as waking up next to the exact
person you want to wake up next to???


...i can only imagine...
   alexandra

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> what would the. world be like today? its hard to imagine that
> we would have developed heart-lung bypass capabilities, without ar.
wow, i knew amy was versatile, but where has she found the time?

sorry, sorry, sorry, i just couldn't help it.

love,
karey

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ok, i just took a class on this topic, and the answer is:


                        it depends.


you're welcome, i just spent 10 weeks to find it out for y'all. ;)
love,
karey

(oh come on, that wasn't as bad as whoever said emily's mom, the
librarian, works in....a library!)

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subject:      re: janis ian on gh, great music tastes(nigc)

in a message dated 96-06-25 15:42:09 edt, you write:

>    moving along, janis ian sang on general hospital friday.  it was
>their episode for the aids day of compasion.  the show was sad and the
>song was beautiful.  i was wondering if anyone out there could recomend
>an album of hers to buy.

wish i had seen that episode...did stone die ?? (was that his name ?)
i bet the song of which you speak is "when angels cry".
if so...it's on her latest album "revenge" :)

love love love !
binky

'who knew one so big could grow so small...."
(janis ian)

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subject:      re: animal sex and peta (nigc)

hi everyone,

i just wanted to thank lorinda for her comments .  if all or our
scientists where *like her*, very serious thought would be taken
before using animals in research and every step would be
taken to insure their humane treatment.   as for peta, i want to
say that even though they are the more radical of the animal rights
groups, and some of the things they say i disagree with ( i don't
agree that it is wrong to have animals as pets).  sometimes, in
order to create changes in the way animals are treated, it is
necessary to be a little radical.  peta  has been very successful
in raising the awareness of the problem.  without peta and
groups like them, the drug and cosmetic companies would
surly take the most economical path.  while i don't like the idea
of using animals in medical research, i realize that sometimes
it is necessary.  i do believe that medicine has done a lot to better
humanity as well as to help better the lives of animals.  a big
concern with me is that the animals be treated as humanely as
possible and given the respect they deserve.  lets also hope
that a cure and preventative for aids is found very soon!!

i welcome any comments.

- - howdy...

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subject:      animal sex and peta (nigc) again

hey all...

lorinda, it seems really funny that we actually agree almost completely.

the process of developing new antibiotics, and i would suspect that the
>process involves more bacterial cultures, and less animal research, but the
>process of getting new drugs on the market (as it now stands) always involves
>animal trials. i don't think it's at all rediculous to suggest that such
>research would suffer dramatically without the use of animals.

my point is not that all animal testing should be halted immediately.  my
point is that there is technology out there that should be developed,
because it can more accurately predict how a treatment will affect humans.
if we were to stop *all* research of any kind, results would be detrimental.
the great idea is to create more accurate, more humane means of testing
drugs and antibiotics and the like.


>i love jane goodall! sorry i missed that one. but here we go again. ;) it _is_
>true that there are other methods at our disposal. cell culture is a huge one.
>_but_ these methods simply _cannot_ always replace the use of live animals. i
>wish with all my heart that that could be the case, but it simply isn't at
>this point in time.

(isn't she brilliant and adorable?)  anyway, at this very second, no.
should we work on this?  yes.

but most of the people i talk to go _way_ out of their way to ensure
>the proper care of the animals (which is actually the law), and most of the
>people deeply regret the harm to the animals. furthermore, most are striving
>for ways to reduce the numbers of animals they use.

one of my closest friends who's a bio major or something spiffy like that at
mit is working in a lab with animal tests this summer.  is she a wonderful
person?  you bet.  do i still like her?  you bet.

>
>if you want to make the argument that researchers frequently treat their
>animals with less respect than they should, i 100% agree with you.

okay.

>if you want to make the argument that there are cases where animal research is
>unnecessary and  can and should be replaced with non-lethal methods, i 100%
>agree with you.

okay.
>
>if you want to make the argument that steps should be taken when possible to
>reduce the amount of research that actually ends up being lethal to the
>animal, i again agree with you.

okay, how about reduce the amount of research on animals and the reliance on
such tests?

>
>you can even make the argument that we should no longer pursue any more cures
>to any more diseases, and we should just live with the medical knowledge we
>have, or can aquire using non-lethal methods, and i wouldn't agree with you,
>but you could certainly make that argument.

i don't believe i ever suggested we should stop research to help find cures
for human diseases.  i don't see why i would say anything of the sort.  what
i'd like to see is further investigation into other methods of medical
research.  animal testing should not be necessary for all time.

>
>but (and i'm truly sorry about this) i simply cannot agree with the argument
>that all use of animal research could stop, and we could all spend a little
>more money, and wave a few magic wands and still get the significant research
>done. it simply isn't true.

i'm not asking for magic.  i'm asking for a strong effort to reduce and
eventually eliminate the need for animals in medical research.  magic wands
don't create viable alternatives, which is what we need for the future.


>personally, i focus my efforts on improving conditions, and reducing the need
>for animal research, not on bringing all medical research to a screeching halt.
>

um, it sounds to me like we agree far more than you think...  when i mention
a focus for the future, i mean a genuine focus for the future.  living
tissue and cell methods deserve attention.

lorinda, thanks for actually caring about the subject.  there are too many
people on all sides of this and all issues who don't take the time to
determine why they believe what they do and back up their opinions with
information.  it sounds like you've given this serious thought and
consideration.  (fight apathy!)

-emily
(i'm really not one of those vegetarians who try to make meat eaters
uncomfortable at meals.  i try to live and let live.  sorry to have taken up
so much space with my(verbose)self here.  i hope i didn't come off as being
antagonistic.  the internet doesn't make me appear too warm and fuzzy...)

"i just hope it was o.k., i know it wasn't perfect
i hope in the end we can laugh and say
it was all worth it...
we make our own gravity to give weight to things
then things fall and they break
and gravity sings"
-a.d.

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subject:      nigc-chapel hill boot news

to all those who are still sending for chapel hill boots please read the
following:

hi, sorry to send this to everyone, but not sure whose tapes i have not
completed for chapel hill yet.

i am changing my e-mail account-i am starting my own internet business :) and
so i am closing my aol account.

so, if you need to get in touch with me, you can send mail to the following:

iex@vii.com

thanks for you patience
marian

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subject:      re: ahhh!!! sod.... is it *really* tmf week????

at 04:47 pm 6/25/96 edt, the tracester wrote:

> really, i have tried.. i
>have read the lyrics a gezillion times, listened in headphones, tried to
>spin the cd backwards (do not try this at home, kids), and even dangled the
>cd over my ouija board... but all i get for all this is frustration!!!
>please?  something? anything?  oh heck - lie to me for gawdssake *i* won't
>be able to tell!
you won't???? well then... let me tell you trace... ( aside from the fact
that you were obviously holding the cd at the wrong angle whilst dangling it
over said ouiji board, thus inhibiting the para-normal interchange of
supernatural phenominom known as polter-iglist cosmos... ) you should have
by now learned that the entire song is based on the premise that cows and
grapenuts do not good bedfellows make... but then *who* can sleep
comfortably on grapenuts??? hmmmm??? not even cows for gawds sake because
grape nuts stay *crunchy* in milk....
huh???? oh... alright... i'll get serious.. (yah...uh-huh ) see, i always
get confused about the word "fall" in this song... is it fall as in
"autumn", or is it fall as in "i have, and i can't get up"???...on that one
word there hangs the inference of meaning for me. if it's autumn, then for
some reason i think about being in the autumn of your life... ( don't ask
why, since the more i look at the lyrics, the more i ask myself "what were
*you* sniffing when you came to this conclusion???" ) and the "touch me, i'm
so beautiful" and "rub your hands across my head just like this" makes me
think of accepting the touch of age and feeling beautiful despite it... (
guess who on this list is feeling *old* lol ) if, though, the word is in
reference to "falling down" well, heck, boys and girls... i aint got a
clue... sounds like some sort  of dangerous relationship to me... someone
could get hurt :-)
then too, i remember ar saying in an interview that sometimes she's not even
sure what she's writing... that if the words "feel" right she uses them (
definatly *not* a direct quote... i can't even remember where i saw/heard
this... ) so... maybe this here is one of those songs... whatever the
case... trace, i gotta differ with you... i am in love with this song...
it's one of my favorites... gets in my blood the way kf does... haunting and
eerie...

peace all....kim <waving back, east and slightly south. 8 days now!!!! and
wood frame back packs are cool>
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      much further, if you are smooth"
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subject:      re: free to be you and me

hey everyone,

on 6/21/96, smurphy@ups.edu writes:

>i was pondering my early childhood musical influences the other day, and
>one album that my mom got for me and that i listened to continuously
>throughout my childhood was free to be you and me.  i was curious if anyone
>else listened to this cause possibly i was thinking about a correlation
>between it and future love of the indigo girls.

i am so happy that i was reminded of this great album by many members of this
list.  i remember in elementary school the entire third grade put on a show
by performing the songs from the album.  my class did "william wants a doll"
and the entire grade three did the "free to be you and me" theme.
aaaaaaaaah, the good ol' days....

for some further nigc, if anyone in the nyc area wants to experience more
nostalgia, go to see 'schoolhouse rock live' off-broadway.  it was terrific
and you'll find yourself singing along to all the songs.

just curious, is anyone who ordered the ig shirt wearing it in newport?

smiles,

sheri

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subject:      re: going to the chapel... please help! (nigc)

hi,

on 6/25/96, sanawike1@aol.com writes:

> anyhow, i work in a music store and had a customer in today
>who was looking for "power of two".  she is either having or organising a
>wedding, and the music is being done by a female with an acoustic guitar.
>she's looking for some other songs that might be appropriate for a wedding
>that this particular female will be able to learn and play.  she was
>interested in shawn colvin and a few of your other favourite
>singer/songwriters.

a couple of great songs by shawn colvin that you may find appropriate are
'object of my affection'  and ' i don't know why'.

if you're not very set on shawn and if male artists are ok then a beautiful
song which i am considering as my wedding song is 'you're my home' by billy
joel.  i also think an acoustic version of 'get here' by oleta adams would
sound great (especially because i'm involved in a long-distance relationship
right now).  how about 'you're my best friend' by queen? or, 'in your eyes'
by peter gabriel?  wow, can you tell that my brain is oozing with thoughts of
my own wedding, which, btw, won't happen for another 2 years, until i finish
my master's degree.

i was going to mention alison krauss' cover of 'now that i've found you',
because it is such a beautiful song, but the sentiment of the song is not
really matrimonially (is that a word?) appropriate.

i'll ponder this some more....

....home can be the pennsylvania turnpike, indiana's early morning dew, high
up in the hills of california, home is just another word for you....  b. joel

--sheri : )

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              "seaphish@aol.com" at jun 26, 96 1:10 am

my gf (kim) and i have begun to fantasize about wedding plans.  in
between our ideas to tick off our parents (the most popular here is
the "star wars theme wedding" -- leia and han with wookies on the guys
side and ewoks as bridesmaids.  darth vader objects at the appropriate
moment...its really geeky but (1) it would piss my parents off and (2)
i'm an astrophysics grad student at mit -- whatd'ya expect ;)) we've
had some serious discussions too.

anyway, the "first dance" thing is developing as a highlight in our
plans.  we are hindered by my inability to dance (see the geek thing
above) so we're mainly looking at slow songs (po2 may be too fast ;)).
neither one of us want to do something like unforgettable or whatever the
latest disney song is.  ideas we've come up with:

        * seed in the sahara -- dissapear fear
                a little quick, but the lyrics are incredible
        * don't breathe -- ellis paul
                would be absolutely perfect:
                 "these are moments that lifetimes are built on
                  you're my best friend..."
                except its about two 15 year olds losing their virginity
                while her parents sleep upstairs....  beautiful song though..
        * in your eyes -- peter gabriel
                beautiful, but been done
        * you're my home -- billy joel
                ditto.
        * mystery -- indigo girls (you knew that)
                song about how love is really unpredictable.  it just
                shows up one day and there it is, usually happens
                when you just gave up tryingh to figure it out.
        * the wood song -- indigo girls (again)
                love isn't always easy, but when its right its really
                strong.  weddings seem to be an emily thing.

we're still working on it.  jon svetkey has a song that's really good
too, but i've only heard it once.

hopefully i'll hear more suggestions here =)_

                        -- chris

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date:         wed, 26 jun 1996 07:58:24 gmt
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from:         helene burningham <h.burningham@ulst.ac.uk>
organization: university of ulster
subject:      re: ig in decatur

well, i guess nobody's been able to confirm this...thing is, it says
on that web page that events have been booked since february, which
makes me a bit cautious...if ig have been booked since then, surely
someone would have know about it for definite by now.
whats the usual procedure in finding out whether rumours of
appearances are true or not?  i can't find a number to call or
address to write to.
anyways...back to work i guess...
talk to y'all later
love helene

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date:         wed, 26 jun 1996 11:19:56 bst
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subject:      ooh - lots of stuff!

hi guys'n'gals

here's my thoughts on a few things that have been thrown around in the last
couple of days...

janis ian - i'm not a huge fan, but have a great memories of seeing her
perform at the stonewall equality show at the royal albert hall last year -
she seemed such a little figure when she walked out on stage with her
guitar, and then proceded to blow the roof off with take no prisoners - wow,
what a guitar player!

tmf - really didn't like it at first but boy did it grow...
guess this one proves a point in the words or music debate - i mean, none of
us seem to know what it's about, but we still love it because of the rawness
and angst of the musical arrangement and vocal delivery - emily revealing
her electric tendencies and amy going off on one...
amy could be singing in swahili and we'd still love it... hey...p'raps
that's what she's doing in that mumbly bit... that explains it!

a&e songwriting collaborations:
let's not forget that masterpiece 'i don't know your name' - on blue food.
groo-oo-vy!  love the way they sound so embarrassed when they introduce
it... actually i'm quite fond of this one - it's the kind of song you
suddenly find yourself singing in the shower - great guitar hook... funny to
hear them being downright saucy -  '...there are other ways to
communicate...' - nudge nudge wink wink... what do you say to trying to get
them to revive it on the next tour?!

'if you live like that' - don't think they like it much now - read something
where amy said it was full of dylan lyrics - chorus includes the very
original lines 'blood on the tracks...baby don't look back...'   i really
like it though...

glastonbury: the movie has just been released over here.  a guy i work with
went to see it... don't get too excited though - as far as i know a&e aren't
on it.  very few of the bands that actually played are featured - it mainly
concentrates on the audience and the atmosphere.

melissa - i read in the pink paper that a woman in the states is sueing
melissa over the fact that a couple of the songs on yes i am are too similar
to songs on her earlier albums!! i've lost the paper now, but i wondered if
anyone else had heard this? what's the story? can someone really do that?  i
can think of other artists who deserve to be sued much more than melissa...
how bizarre!

does anyone have an email address for neily? i know when he left the list he
said something about still being contactable via his girlfriends account but
i must have trashed that mail.  be grateful if somenone could help, 'cos i
wouldn't want him to miss out on the nojf boot :)


phew... well, having got all that off my chest it's back to lurkdom...

seffy
signing off from the sports mad united kingdom and wondering why oh why oh
why have they scheduled ladies finals day at wimbledon to clash with london
pride! aarrgh!

plop


                                plop


         plop

           plop


etc.  etc.  etc.   :)

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subject:      tmf - just a dern sec' here!

kiminy goddess of various stuff said: (in part)
> trace, i gotta differ with you... i am in love with this song...
>it's one of my favorites... gets in my blood the way kf does... haunting and
>eerie...

        <clearing throat and standing on chair>

i never said i didn't like tmf!!!!  i just said it bugs me as in "i feel
stupid cuz' i can't figure out what da' heck amy is talking about and i'm an
"amy-person" and i have some connection w/ most of her other
sonnnnnngg...ahhhhhhhh!!!"
{crash!!!!}
        never stand on a chair with wheels.

tracy <rubbing various sore parts now, hey - "rub yer hands across my head,
just like this...."  oooohhh.. much better. maybe amy fell off a chair when
she wrote this....> <thanks kim.  now i think i understand.>
~~~~^~~~^~^~^~^~^^~~~^~^~^~^~^~^^~ (homesick for mountains)
"the dreams came in like needy children
          tugging at my sleeve....
i said i have no way of feeding you
           so leave...."
        --- emily saliers "prince of darkness"

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subject:      re: indigo-girls digest - 25 jun 1996 (fwd)

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how do i cancel?  my daughter's going to college and i'd rather not have
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x-to:         tracy & shedding hordes <clumber9@alliance.net>

>tracy <rubbing various sore parts now, hey - "rub yer hands across my head,
>just like this...."  oooohhh.. much better. maybe amy fell off a chair when
>she wrote this....> <thanks kim.  now i think i understand.>
hey you guys kim & tracy..

you are on to something ! the big clue is on so * all skate, now reverse*
.doesn't sound like hockey, maybe it was inspired in part by pairs
skating..."jump,jump,jump so high, watch me let you down,if i stumble, i
will stumble..(oops, caught an edge)..if i fall,i will fall"8-0 but the
video on watershed sheds a different light on it with those maggots and
stuff. but i like the song.:-)).

marilyn

i am a problem child- i've been wild all my days...(a.ray)

..still crazy after all these years.. (p. simon)

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subject:      re: tmf - just a dern sec' here!

at 06:31 am 6/26/96 edt, the tracester wrote:
><thanks kim.  now i think i understand.>
no no no, trace... that's "vincent" sung by don mcclean ( "starry starry
summer night..." ) ... *does* bring an ig song to mind though... you know...
"i used to lie like that alone out on the driveway trying to read the greek
upon the stars..." of course, *that* was emily. hmmmm.... do you suppose
*she* also had a thing for standing on chairs with wheels???? ( but i
dunno... in her *driveway*??? ) however <kim pauses thoughtfully> what a
concept... i don't recall reading or seeing anything about wheeled chairs in
an interview, but... woe... heavy pondering + research for kim today...:-)
with that in mind... i'm off ( oh... we all *knew* that ) peace.... kim.
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      much further, if you are smooth"
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subject:      re: "skating"

at 08:50 am 6/26/96 -0400, marylin wrote:
>you are on to something ! the big clue is on so * all skate, now reverse*
of course!!!!! <hand smacking forehead yet again> all this time i've been
thinking "roller skating"!!! when it's so obvious. chairs with wheels!!!
<kim jotting down notes on archaic steno pad... scritch scritch scritch>
thanks for the insight marylin... but, the maggots??? i dunno... combine
thoughts of them with chairs on wheels and you get one *ugly* scene....
peace... kim.
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      much further, if you are smooth"
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              grrl o' cognitive dissonance" <t1kchevalier@wellesley.edu>
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subject:      re: going to the chapel... please help! (nigc)

well, my knowledge about getting married is about equal to the size of newt
gingrich's conscience -- heck, i haven't even been in love yet -- but my
suggestions are:
1) off-white or rite of spring, by bill morrissey (his only two songs that
i've heard that don't make you want to curl up in a little hole and die)
2) wedding song or such is love, peter, paul and mary (did someone already
suggest this? i don't know)
3) come undone, carol noonan
4) strange fire, ig
hmm, that's all i can think of...guess i don't listen to too many love
songs. they remind me of what i don't have, i guess :).
p.s. tracy -- you made me laugh out loud and choke on my bagel! moral:
never eat breakfast and read e-mail at the same time. :)
kirsten

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subject:      tmf

new concept: *putting thinking cap on*

tmf is about sex.

*putting my earphones on to try on the new perspective*
*hmmm*

-sherry <--the ig fan who has it on good word from the person who was
imitating ar on irc that it just might be about sex

*hmmm* (if your screen is smoking....don't be surprised...i'm not used
to this thinking stuff)

*listening to the way the music climaxes at one point*
*hmmm*
makes you think, eh?

-sherry <--the girl who ordered 'zami..a new spelling of my name' by
audre lorde....b/c no one carries any of her stuff here in little ole
macon, ga!!!!!! (thanx for the poem someone sent to the list!)

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subject:      1994:  world cafe

may 13, 1994 -- world cafe radio program

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interviewer:  "swamp ophelia" just came out this week and we're very happy
that amy and emily have joined us today.  this album, if i were writing my
term paper about this record two things would come up right away and one of
them is the wonderful textures on the record. the use of strings with the
quartet this time around and cello again and lisa germano on the fiddle.
we're you looking to put new textures into the record when you sat down?

emily:  we both love strings.  we've had a little bit of strings on all the
records actually.  it's progressed more and more.  i mean there's nothing
like a live quartet in the studio, it's really exciting.

interviewer:  i was wondering how that works.  do you sit around before hand
and say "ah we want to do this, this, this" or do you actually get into the
studio and say "ah now we need a string quartet".

amy:  well...it depends.

emily:  both.  (laughs)

amy:  (laughs) yeah, it's kind of a...it's a kitchen sink as emily always
says.  i mean the record.  i mean you're...it's like someone like lisa
germano comes in and plays, you know her instrument, and then goes "but
maybe i could try this on this" you know we go "go for it" you know.  and
sometimes it's an accident and we decide to use it you know.  so it really
is.  we experiment a lot.  we have the luxury of being able to spend a
little more time and do that.

interviewer:  i was wondering, particularly danny thompson on the acoustic
base, what a nice texture that is.

emily:  yeah.

amy:  uh-hum.

emily:  yeah, he's killer.

interviewer:  well, there's one song and i guess it's one of yours emily,
"wood song", which has a great little string arrangement and some nice oboe
parts and stuff.  unfortunately we didn't contract for the quartet today,
but uh...

emily:   whoa, that's a whole orchestra (laughs), it would have been tight
quarters.

interviewer:  could you do that one?

emily:  yeah, we could do that one.

amy:  we'll do it.

emily:  this is "wood song", as in the wood that a boat is made of.

amy:  wood.

emily:  wood.

amy :  wood.

emily:  wood that rots in the storm of life.

(live version of "wood song")

amy:  whew...

emily:  whew...(both laugh)

interview:  warming up today on the world cafe, the indigo girls.

emily:  that's the truth.

interviewer:  that's a really nice song, "wood song",  which is on the
"swamp ophelia",  the new album just out.  now, in my term paper, the other
thing that sort of seems to come up in a bunch of songs, you talked about in
the little kind of release you put out with the record.  it's a bunch of
songs about the transition, the rites of passage from being a kid and being
an adult, and being young and having all this energy.  there's a bunch of
songs that are kind of about that, i was thinking about "reunion".  but
also, amy your song "dead man's hill" is kind of about a childhood incident.

amy:  yeah.

interviewer:  when...how did you remember that incident?  has it always
stayed with you?

amy:  well that incident has been...yeah, it's had an impression on my whole
life really cause i was so young when it happened.  that song is kind of a
coming of age song i mean, you know in every way of  all the different
things that you do when you're coming of age.  and that was sort of my first
time i came across sort of the evilness of people.  but i mean i was a kid
and i was watching...you know at night i was looking over at the field and
saw these things go up in flames and they were screaming and it was cats and
it was really bizarre.  it was a very bizarre experience for a child to, you
know, to come across and i was pretty sensitive, so it sort of directed my
whole life.  but i didn't know the song was going in that direction when i
wrote it actually that just kind of popped out.

interviewer:  what direction was it going to begin with?

amy:  it was going in a little more of the chorus direction of... a little
more passive.

interviewer:  which is not a word i would use to describe your writing very
often (laughs).

amy:  no, but ,you know, i thought it was a new direction for me or
something (laughs).

interviewer:  you got your dad to sing on it, is he a singer?

amy:  yeah my dad sang on it.  well he sung a lot in college and high school
and stuff but he's not a professional singer or anything.  but the song was
kind of, you know had some elements to do with him in it so i decided to
asked him to sing on it and he did a great job i thought.

emily:  yep.

interviewer:  yeah, he really sticks out on the record.

amy:  yeah.

interviewer:  once again, not only do we not have a orchestra but we don't
have him here, but could you do that one?

emily:  (laughs).

amy:  all right.

(live version of "dead man's hill").

interviewer:  "dead man's hill" from the new one "swamp ophelia". indigo
girls here and emily on the little lead line on that one.  good song.   in
between records, we here in philadelphia were really happy you had a song on
the soundtrack to the film "philadelphia".  was that your pick to go in
there or did somebody suggest that?

emily:  jonathon demme picked that song.

amy:    yeah, actually...

emily:  i guess one of the guys from the company pitched us to him, and i
guess he checked out our music and liked it well enough and then he chose
that song.

interviewer:   did you know the song before you...

amy:   uh-uh.

emily:  i had heard it.  i had heard other people record it, you know, rod
stewart and everything but the girl, i had heard their versions of it.

interviewer:  right, had you ever heard the original, the crazy horse version?

emily:   well we got tapes of it when we were learning the song.

amy:  that's the one, that's the one i listened to.

interviewer:  cause yours is truer to that one in a lot of ways.

amy:  yeah.

emily:  yeah.  i remember amy saying when we were trying to learn it, she's
like, "now how would the ramones play this song if they were going to learn
it".  because we were trying to, you know, trying to make it a little bit
different from how it had been recorded, but there was only so far you could
go i guess.

interviewer:   well i tell you what, let's play that cause i love hearing it.

emily:  o.k.

amy:  all right, let's do it.

interviewer:  indigos, another one of their great covers.  this is danny
whiten's song, "i don't wanna talk about it".

(album version of "i don't wanna talk about it")

interviewer:  on the world cafe,  "i don't wanna talk about it" danny
whiten's tune.  our guests the indigo girls, be back in a moment on the
world cafe.

(break)

interviewer:   we're back on the world cafe and amy and emily from the
indigo girls have joined us.  the new album "swamp ophelia" is just out and
the record industry is devouring it and dissecting it and thinking about it
(emily and amy laugh) and making these two people nervous about it.  you
know amy in many ways, not to slight emily's songs, but you're the one who's
really pushing things lyricly and musically on this record.  i mean you
really tackle some deep subjects,  i mean not to many songs about the
holocaust - light pop songs.

amy:  well...i mean some of the stuff that emily and i wrote about on this
record i think is similar thematically as far as growing up, dealing with
the past...but, yeah i did tackle the holocaust.  i mean, i went to the
museum and i felt compelled to get something out of my system and then  i
realized i was writing a song type of thing and we both wanted to put it on
the record.  and that's really you know the only specifically sort of rough
topic i've ever tackled that was so specific like that.

interviewer:   well i was thinking that "dead man's hill" is not really an
easy song.

amy:   yeah, i didn't know i was going to tackle that one though so that
just came as a surprise.

interviewer:  had you seen schindler's list around the same time?

amy:  uh-uh.  i didn't actually.

interviewer:   cause the image of the train is so much a part of that film too.

amy:  i took holocaust course at emory university and the train image was
very heavy in that course.  cause the film's constant barrage of trains and
then the museum obviously features that as a large...that's one of the
things that you do that has the most impact.  when you walk into the boxcar
and stuff.

interviewer:  ah...i haven't been there.  oh god...

amy:  yeah.

interviewer:  well let's play it cause its not going to be an easy one to do
today.  so this is "this train revised" from "swamp ophelia".

amy:  o.k.

(album version of "this train revised")

interviewer:  the final track on the new indigo girls album "swamp ophelia"
- "this train revised".  want to do another one live?

amy:  yeah.

emily:  sure.

interviewer:  i'm trying to think where we're at.  it's probably time for
another...

amy:  do you want to do an old one or a new one?

interviewer:  oh, if you can do some old ones that would be great.

emily:  we can do an old one.

interviewer:  i had this whole idea of making you tell everybody what your
favorite song of the other person's was, but i don't know if that's gonna
work cause you can only do so many things today.

amy:  (laughs).

emily:  (laughs)  we've got a lot to learn of our old stuff.

amy:  but what we're gonna do one that we like...that i like of emily's.
"watershed"?

emily:  "watershed".  i hope we remember this too.

amy:  we're gonna try this one.

emily:  we went through this in the dressing room a couple weeks ago.

amy:  we played it.

emily:  we never played this one live did we?

amy:  oh...we didn't play it.

emily:  we didn't...it's gonna be like...it should be fun.  i'm trying to
remember the chords.

amy:  uh-oh.  all right, let's go for it.

emily:  want to wing it?

amy:  yeah.

(live version of "watershed")

interviewer:  "watershed".  it's funny i keep introducing songs as like
"emily's song" , "amy's song", everybody knows them as your songs.  is this
a difficult relationship professionally to keep two writers, two different
points of views under one banner?

emily:  no.

interviewer:  no?

amy:  it just happens.

interviewer:  yeah?

emily:  i mean i think both know that what we bring to us is different from
what the other brings.  you know what each individual brings in this sort of
like celebration of both styles and influences and all that stuff.  we've
know each other forever, i mean we've been friends for a long time and it is
pretty miraculous when you think about it.  i mean compared to other
partnerships that have tried to work over time, but...

interviewer:  i was just thinking so few bands have two strong writers in
them.  you know it's very often that one person kind of takes over.  it's
great that it works so well with you people.

amy:  well it's important to give...i mean we give each other space you
know.  so there's a lot of things we differ about, you know and then we have
different lives and we're allowed to exercise our differences in those lives
and i think that that's the key really.

emily:  yeah.

interviewer:  remember that boys and girls, that's true.

emily:  (laughs).

amy:  (laughs)  it's true in any marriage too.  anything...

interviewer:  indigo girls our guests.  you're also record company
executives  (emily and amy laugh) at daemon
records.  you're pretty good a & r people, i mean your acts are all getting
signed by majors.

amy:  yeah...(laughs).

interviewer:  is that good or how do you feel about that.

amy:  well they're not all getting signed.  i mean kristen hall got signed
and james hall is getting signed.  and some of them are good, some of it's
good...some of the artists i want to get signed, and that's the purpose - to
be a stepping stone to the next level.  and some of it is, you know, to do
special projects that me and emily might be involved in or just things that
we've always wanted to do with friends.  and some of it is artists actually
just want to be independent for a long time cause that's what i am, i'm an
indy label.  i don't  solicit tapes or anything.

interviewer:  right, right, right.  anything coming out?

amy:  well we just put out a record by the new mongrels which is something
emily and i are involved in.  it's a writer named haynes brook who lives in
l.a. now, who used to live in decatur and then seattle and then l.a.  he
went to college with us and wrote a bunch of songs and we've always hung out
together in a circle of musicians and he put a bunch of people together and
we recorded all his songs.  and it's me and emily, kristen hall, uh is she
part of it, is she on this?

emily:  she's not on that one.

amy:  she's not on this is she.  michelle malone's on it, big fish ensemble,
all the...

emily:  gerard mchugh.

amy:  gerard mchugh, who else?  there's a bunch of atlanta musicians and
some seattle people and it's kinda like...

emily:  dede vogt.

amy:  dede vogt...it's all the people that we hang with and play with.  so
that just came out , it's a hootenanny record.

emily:  it's great.

interviewer:  look for that.

emily:  great fun.

amy:  yeah.

interviewer:  we'll be back with record executives and songsters the indigo
girls i just a moment here on the world cafe.

(break)

interviewer:  we're back with the indigo girls on the world cafe.  and
another one of emily's songs.  now i know you wrote this cause the first
line is staring out of a second story...two stories up in the air, were you
on the roof or were you in the window...

emily:  (laughs)  is that how you knew i wrote it? (laughs again).

interviewer:  well...

amy:  did you really write it sitting two...

emily:  i really did, honestly.  i was two stories above the little street
watching the kids walk home from school and thinking about patterns and
actually (laughs) thinking about my little sixth grade boyfriend.  which
seems insignificant now but it was just like the beginning of patterns.  and
it's a lot about love and a lot about life.  just a little ditty about that,
it's called...

amy:  that's when you go to the movies and make out in the back row.  sixth
grade...

emily:  yeah (laughs).  life was good then.

amy:  ...the roller coaster.

emily:  yeah.

amy:  o.k., anyway...(laughs)

emily:  (laughs).  intense.  i mean anyway...this is called "least
complicated".

interviewer:  back row of the movie theater, first seat in the roller coaster.

amy:  yeah.  definitely.

emily:  (laughs).

(live version of "least complicated")

interviewer:  "least complicated", one of the less complicated songs on the
new record "swamp ophelia".  the most complicated song has got to be "touch
me fall", which was the first thing that was released.  just in terms of the
arrangement of that song.

amy: actually "least complicated" was the most complicated to record.

(she and emily both laugh).

interviewer:  was it?

emily:  (laughs).  it was, it took forever.

amy:  yeah cause emily's rhythm is so wacky on that song.  it's like ritchie
havens or something (emily laughs), we're all going "what?".  (emily and amy
both laugh).

interviewer:  and then the congas or the drums or what ever they are on top
of that.

amy:  yeah, it's great.

emily:  jerry marotta.

amy:  well "touch me fall" started out real simple, you know, just kind of a
really beautiful electric guitar song that
turns into, you know, a grunge song, not grunge, more like a clash type song
at the end.  real simple, straight forward, but we kinda needed something to
help us bridge the transition, so we brought in this young guy, nashville
guy, that we had met, a musician that became kind of a friend of ours, to
help us with the string arrangement,  for some of the transitions.  and he
a...and he did it.

emily:  he did, he bridged the gap.

amy:  (laughs).  he did a bang up job of it.

emily:  we just went crazy in the studio on this one.

amy:  yeah, we just kind of did whatever.  you know we did it live, we did
like...actually i had a wreck the day we recorded it.  and i came into the
studio about three hours after the wreck and we put down about six takes of
it and edited what we liked together of all the takes, it was all
improvisation, all of it.

(laughs).

interviewer:  wow, really?

amy:  and a...we kept emily's, all of emily's lead stuff and we just sorta
went "well this is the song, now what else does we need?"  and we threw
horns on it and strings...

emily:  it was fun.

interviewer:  it's an ambitious first single off the record, why did you do
that?

amy:  well, actually we, you know, we felt that number one we wanted to go
out to more of the independent college
commercial alternative, that kind of thing, cause that's where our support
has always been.  and we wanted to go to that first.  and we didn't want to
go out in top 40 and try to drum up support somewhere we didn't have it
already.  we just felt loyal, pretty much i guess, to the format.  and we
wanted to try, we talked about trying something that i had done, something
from my camp of music, cause we'd always kinda of been in emily's camp for
the first time and thought this would be an interesting thing, but i didn't
think that was going to be the one.  and that was something that the record
company just kept going, "well, let's just try this"  and i was like "yeah,
right" .  so a ...

interviewer:  it's interesting, i'm not sure if on the single version that
came out, the little message thing that's on the
beginning of the album, the little thing about skating.  (emily and amy both
laugh).

amy:  oh, it's not on the single probably.  (both laugh again).

interviewer:  now, what does that have to do with the song?

amy:  (laughs).  nothing.

emily:  (laughs).  nothing.

interviewer:  i've been trying to figure it out.

emily:  we have a lot of fun on this record.

amy:  you know where that's from, some friends of our,
mrs. fun...

emily:  mrs. fun.

amy:  ...who recorded "dead man's hill" with us.  they were the guest band
on the record.  they went to see a friend of theirs play who used to go, you
know when you're at the skating rink and they go "all skate, now reverse",
you know.  i was just saying it and we stuck it before that song because we
thought it represented what the song was doing.  (emily and amy both laugh).

emily:  it means nothing.

interviewer:  so i guess this is the un-embellished version of "touch me fall".

amy:  this is the very un-embellished version.  (emily laughs).  this is
like billy bragg doing a duo.

(live version of "touch me fall")

interviewer:  imagine you're all alone in a club and neil young and p.j.
harvey are dueling on stage.  (emily and
amy both laugh).

emily:  yee-hah!

interviewer:  that's my perspective.

emily:  cool!

interviewer:  that's great.  that's "touch me fall",  live version from
emily saliers, amy ray.  yeah the indigo girls have joined us.  thanks a lot
for coming by.

amy:  sure man.

emily:  we like it here.

amy:  anytime.

interviewer:  especially bringing those guitars, that was fun.  (emily and
amy laugh).

emily:  yeah.

interviewer:  you gonna be doing the shed thing this summer?  any innovative
tour plans?

emily:  we're doing the shed thing.  we're coming to philly, we're going to
the mann center.

amy:  we're being alone this time.

emily:  yeah, just me and amy.

interviewer:  oh great!

amy:  so we won't have the mellatone strings or the...

emily:  or the quartets.  no quartets.

amy:  ...the love sponge quartets...

emily:  just me and amy.

amy:  or the horns, the salvation army horn band.  we won't have any of
that, we'll just be alone.

emily:  back to basics for the most complicated record we've ever made.

interviewer:  it'll be different.  thanks a lot!

amy:  (laughs).  yes it will.

emily:  thank you

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chris wrote:
>anyway, the "first dance" thing is developing as a highlight in our
>plans.

my wife and i used "into the mystic" by van morrison as out first dance
song.  for us, it hit the spot perfectly.

we also used "crazy love" by van morrison as one of our readings, along
with plato and a poem written by my wife.

i'm not even that big a van morrison fan, i just think some of his songs
are so beautiful and poetic. friends of ours used another van song as
their first dance, have i told you lately.

  harry a. keates
  email: hak@crai.com

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subject:      re: tmf

at 09:35 am 6/26/96 -0400, sherry wrote:
>new concept: *putting thinking cap on*
>
>tmf is about sex.
>
for heaven's sake, yes ( oh yes yes yes!!!??? ) :-) sex in wheeled chairs!!!
kim... who will just shut up now :-)
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     <just kim>rcn@prcn.org
"how much further, if you can spin. how
      much further, if you are smooth"
   ------------amy ray---------------
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subject:      concert dates

hello--

please send me a concert schedule for 1996.  do you
know anything about the telluride music festival this
summer. thanks.


gloria shirley                  :-)


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subject:      re: animal sex and peta (nigc) again

one more time!  :)

>lorinda, it seems really funny that we actually agree almost completely.

yup, it sure does.

>my point is not that all animal testing should be halted immediately.  my
>point is that there is technology out there that should be developed,
>because it can more accurately predict how a treatment will affect humans.
>if we were to stop *all* research of any kind, results would be detrimental.
>the great idea is to create more accurate, more humane means of testing
>drugs and antibiotics and the like.

gotcha. and i agree 100%.

>>i love jane goodall! sorry i missed that one. but here we go again. ;) it _is_
>>true that there are other methods at our disposal. cell culture is a huge one.
>>_but_ these methods simply _cannot_ always replace the use of live animals. i
>>wish with all my heart that that could be the case, but it simply isn't at
>>this point in time.
>
>(isn't she brilliant and adorable?)  anyway, at this very second, no.
>should we work on this?  yes.

yes, yes, agree, agree. :)


>>if you want to make the argument that steps should be taken when possible to
>>reduce the amount of research that actually ends up being lethal to the
>>animal, i again agree with you.
>
>okay, how about reduce the amount of research on animals and the reliance on
>such tests?

sounds good to me.

>>you can even make the argument that we should no longer pursue any more cures
>>to any more diseases, and we should just live with the medical knowledge we
>>have, or can aquire using non-lethal methods, and i wouldn't agree with you,
>>but you could certainly make that argument.
>
>i don't believe i ever suggested we should stop research to help find cures
>for human diseases.  i don't see why i would say anything of the sort.  what
>i'd like to see is further investigation into other methods of medical
>research.  animal testing should not be necessary for all time.

sorry about that. actually, i never meant to suggest that you _had_ suggested
that. i was just throwing that out as a possible extreme argument that
_someone_ might want to make.

>i'm not asking for magic.  i'm asking for a strong effort to reduce and
>eventually eliminate the need for animals in medical research.  magic wands
>don't create viable alternatives, which is what we need for the future.

yeah, it really does sound like we're seeing totally eye to eye on the
subject. not that that's necessary or anything, but in this case it's true.
anyway, this one's going to be uncharacteristically short for me, cuz i just
found out i miscalculated the date for my next job interview (tomorrow instead
of friday) and i'm supposed to be driving to massachusetts _right_now_. i
never said i had a brain...

folkisgruven,
dr. lorindigo   (<--- oh, the irony!)
driving...


lorinda wright            "...and we walk in the world of safe people
lw01@lehigh.edu            and at night we walk into our houses and burn."
lehigh university                                - dar williams
bethlehem, pa

                  i will not be complacent

"jump, jangle, jiggle and rock. fly through the sky. sail across the top.
spin out, give out, give in. you're alive!"  -melissa ferrick

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subject:      tmf

this is now coming from the complete idiot who is supposed to be on her way to
a job interview _right_now_ so y'all know exactly how seriously you should
take this...
this is a repost of something that i posted quite a while ago:

i've been thinking about the song touch me fall for a long time now. pretty
weird song, no? couldn't for the life of me figure what it was all about, and
then it hit me. it's about hair. that's it. just hair. (or lack thereof). so
you see, amy's really just a completely shallow person. she writes this whole
supposedly deep meaningful song about her own hair. here, i'll interpret for
you.
(the first two lines don't fit in with my interpretation, so i'll ignore them.)
"all the sounds i've missed all the years"
    -well you see, this is because her hair was so long it covered her ears
    and she couldn't hear.
(blah blah blah, stains and weddings and fears, we'll ignore this part too.)
"touch me i'm so beautiful (cuz i'm bald), rub your hands across my head (my
bald head) just like this."
"come with me it's not worth it if you don't"
    -she wants someone else to shave their head too. (if i'm bald, you have to
    be bald too! *pout*)
"are you hiding, i am hiding"
    -cuz they're bald
"cypress moon bald in june like granite in a stream"
    -no interpretation necessary
(stuff about drowning and swamp ophelia ommitted)
"are you crying, i am crying"
    -cuz our hair is growing back
(stuff about jumping and stumbling and falling ommitted)
"i'm trying to hold it like rain in a river. everything is getting bigger"
    change "bigger" to "longer" and it's about her hair growing back even tho
    she doesn't want it to.
"this won't last forever touch me fall"
    -she's saying "hurry up and do that rubbing-my-head-thing cuz i won't stay
    bald forever."

so you see, amy's really just a shallow person obsessed with the fact that she
cut her hair off. maybe if we look at it we'll discover that hammer and a nail
is really about nail polish, or that joking is really about "truly tasteless"
joke books, or that chickenman is really about kfc. sheesh! and we thought
these women were profound!

ok, i need to add at this point that i was not alone in my insanity when i
thunk this one up. former listee, yen was in on the crime.
also, there's another chapter to this that gets even weirder, but we're just
gonna have to wait for friday for that one, cuz i got a job interview to go to.

oh, and in case you want to have an actual _serious_ discussion about tmf, i
actually think it really is about sex. check out viva la diva's "are you
ready" and listen to it back to back with tmf. i think you'll get the idea. ;)

gotta run,
lorindigo
driving...


lorinda wright            "...and we walk in the world of safe people
lw01@lehigh.edu            and at night we walk into our houses and burn."
lehigh university                                - dar williams
bethlehem, pa

                  i will not be complacent

"jump, jangle, jiggle and rock. fly through the sky. sail across the top.
spin out, give out, give in. you're alive!"  -melissa ferrick

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on wed, 26 jun 1996, lorinda wright wrote:

>
> i've been thinking about the song touch me fall for a long time now. pretty
> weird song, no? couldn't for the life of me figure what it was all about, and
> then it hit me. it's about hair. that's it. just hair. (or lack thereof). so
> you see, amy's really just a completely shallow person. she writes this whole
> supposedly deep meaningful song about her own hair. here, i'll interpret for
> you.

   the best try yet!

   actually like most good poetry it's just word play -- doesn't *mean*
   anything

mike in seattle.

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subject:      this seattle gig

ok!!!!

having not had a live indigo fix since the berkelly shows in *1994*, i think
this is probably the thing to go to. now, i need advice. where to go, what to
do, is anyone roadtripping up there from sf/bay area, etc etc and so forth

pile it on girls and boys and men and women and other dear humans,

i love you all

-larissa

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subject:      tmf

yes!  tmf is about sex!!!  i knew it the first time i heard it, when i
almost fainted from amy ray being so sexual.  i can't believe that there are
those among you who did not like that song originally.  it was instantly one
of my favorites.

as for meaning, who needs meaning?  gratuitousness is okay sometimes.

hahahaha.

corinne

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subject:      1994:  musical ties that bind

march/april 1994 -- performing songwriter

the indigo girls: the musical ties that bind
by holly crenshaw

"our kind of schedule is not conducive to thinking, so i'll just let the
muse visit me when she will," says emily saliers of the indigo girls,
laughing. but as she and amy ray headed to nashville this fall to start
recording their fourth album, then ten strong new tunes they brought with
them were more than enough to dispel any regrets over the handful of
unfinished songs left behind.

after a year of nearly non-stop touring to support "rites of passage," their
most musically ambitious album, saliers and ray took several months off last
summer to rejuvenate their creative energies and develop their new songs for
the latest indigo girls album, due to be released in april.

since they first started performing in atlanta music clubs in the early
'80s, the indigos have continued to move into larger and more demanding
musical arenas while honing their songwriting skills with each new album -
from their grammy- winning debut through the more complex "rites of passage"
released in 1992.

from the beginning, the contrast of ray's darker voice with saliers' purer
one has defined the indigos' trademark sound, with performances that include
everything from introspective ballads to rock-inspired songs of driving
intensity that they bang out on their acoustic guitars.

even though they write separately and acknowledge different musical tastes,
the indigo craft their songs into such dense arrangements of vocal harmonies
and symbiotic guitar parts that it's hard to think of either's strikingly
personal songs without the other's presence.

a few months ago, while they were halfway through recording their new album,
"swamp ophelia," saliers and ray took time to reflect on their musical and
personal ties that stretch back to grade school, when they started singing
together.

[ps] when did you first start moving away from cover tunes and maturing as a
songwriter?

[es] when i was 14 years old, i had songs that i felt were good songs.  i
thought i was doing quite well for my age, up until the time i went to
college.  then my age caught up with my talent (laughs).  and i never felt
the same way again.

[ar] when we started playing together in '80 or '81, we leaned cover songs
like "junkie's lament" by james taylor and "wisteria" by dan fogelberg and a
couple of elton john songs.  but emily was already writing her own stuff,
and i was writing minimally.  after i had been away at vanderbilt and emily
was at tulane, we both transferred back to emory in '84 - and that's when we
really started doing a lot of originals.

[ps]  have you ever studied songs by other writers to analyze the craft from
a different perspective?

[es] the big turning point in how i looked at songwriting came when i
discovered joni mitchell.  she is by far the biggest influence on my writing
and how i think about songwriting.  and then after her, bob dylan.  those
two -- the king and the queen.  after listening to them, i started looking
at my own lyrics and went, 'oh my god, how did you ever sing this,
especially in front of people?'  they were the ones who made me want to
become more succinct and more understated in my lyrics instead of just,
'here's my heart bleeding all over the page.'

[ar]  i never used to think about songwriting that way.  but in the last
couple of years, i've started looking more at songs and how they're
structured because it decreases the limitations you feel.  it's helpful, i
think, to analyze in a purely structural way what other people do - and then
take it and put it the back of your mind and not let it interfere with your
inspiration.

[ps] is there anything ritualistic about how you prepare to write?

[es] i do always like quiet.  i usually like to have a cup of tea.  i have
to be in a very reflective state, and for me, that requires peace and quiet.
but up until just a couple of years ago, i wrote all my songs in my parents'
kitchen, even when i lived on my own. that was a hard thing for me to break.
it really was a strong pattern, but now i'm able to write in my own house.
my home environment has always been very loving and warm and nurturing and
creative.  sitting there at that kitchen table, i felt completely
comfortable and i knew no one was going to call me on the phone, so it
allowed all the thoughts to come in unobstructed.

[ar] normally, i write after one in the morning -- i don't know why.  that's
when i finish getting all my work done, i guess.  most of the time, it's
when i'm by myself and all my appointments are out of the way and no one's
up and i can't do anything else.  so i sit down and write.  and if i don't
come up with something, i get a little bit frustrated and realize that i'm
too tired.  emily writes in the morning - she really does.  it's really
bizarre, but she does (laughs).

[ps] do you keep a journal or notebook of ideas?

[es] no, i've never done that before.  now i've made a sort of loose
commitment - if there's such a thing - to myself to start writing ideas down
because i realize how much you forget.  when we're on the road, i'm looking
out the bus window and i'll feel very inspired and start coming up with
ideas for lyrics that i think are original.  and then i just forget them.

[ar] i have a book that i'm always writing lyrics down in that i take with
me everywhere.

[ps] how do you typically get started on a song?

[es] i'll have something that i've been thinking about and it gets to a
point where it feels like my thoughts are going to come to the surface.  and
then i sit down with my guitar with no one else around and start finding a
chord progression that i like and just sort of sing out lyrics aimlessly.
then that will take me in one direction or another.

[ar] if i'm feeling something inside me and i don't know what it is, i'll
sit down in front of my notebook and i'll just read the last ten pages of
what i've written.  and i'll start messing around with some chords or
something.  out of twenty sentences on the page, i may use one sentence.
but the thoughts inspire me to go in a certain direction.

[ps] what are some of the internal obstacles you face when you're writing?

[es] i have this problem of censoring myself before i really get anything
out and i'm always trying to do better before i even allow myself to do
anything.  i start to have ideas and then i'll say things like, "well,
that's cliched.  think about a more interesting way to say it."  and i've
always fallen short of the way i wanted to write, which is frustrating and
inspiring both.

[ar] songwriting totally wastes me.  once i start writing, i'm pretty much
no good in the real world because i get all tied up in it and it's painful -
because you're tapping into things that you might not want to think about.
when emily and i start getting into a songwriting mode, i'm constantly
saying to her, "god, i hate this - i love it and i hate it."  i love doing
it but i really hate it.  sometimes when i'm on the verge of  writing a
bunch of songs, i have trepidation's about it. i almost don't really want to
do it because i know i'm going to get really tired from staying up late and
not getting enough sleep.  and when i go out for a nice jog, the whole time
i'm running i'm going to be thinking about one song over and over again.
and it drives me crazy.

[ps] is it constructive for you to have a deadline or does it get in the way
of creativity?

[es] a little bit of both.  in a way, it's constructive because you have to
make discipline of writing.  this summer, i spent a lot of time telling
myself, "i'm going to go out to my studio and i'm just going to sit down and
play around with some ideas."  i knew i had to.  and then one idea would
lead to another and it became fruitful after the discipline.  on the other
hand, you always have the feeling that, "if i weren't thinking about this
deadline so much,
then something could just hit me in life.  maybe it's going to happen six
months from now - instead of having to happen within these two months.  and
maybe i'm going to be able to write a better song then than i am now."  so
it's a combination of those feelings.  obviously, you can't be that
spontaneous if you have a deadline.  but i think the best writers have
probably just had to force themselves to sit down and write.

[ar] usually i wouldn't work well at all with that kind of thing.  it would
make me have a block.  but the timing has always been perfect for writing
with me.  i've always written a few songs while i was on the road - and then
been really sick of playing and not picked my guitar up.  and then all of a
sudden it just comes pouring out and i'm living and breathing songwriting
for days.  and it makes me sick, but i do it.

[ps] do you usually finish your lyrics in one sitting or do you spend a lot
of time reworking and revising them?

[es] i've started to do more revising than i ever have done.  a lot of these
lessons i learned from writing papers in college.  you get your creative
spurt that's going to be the crux of your paper and then you go back and
redefine and pinpoint and things like that.  and that's my style of writing.
i wouldn't call it stream-of-consciousness at all.  it's very much trying to
construct an idea and build around it.  and it's very narrative.

[ar] there have been a couple of songs i've written in one night.  one of
them was this song called "dead man's hill," but it was based on a lyric
that i had written a few months before.  that's very rare, though.

[ps] how would you characterize your individual styles of lyric writing?

[es] well, one thing i like about amy's writing is that it's sort of
ethereal.  what she's really doing is channeling her thoughts without
getting in her own way.  and i'm really much more specific.  a lot of times,
i look at my songs and i'm like, "yuck" - because you really have to have a
gift to be able to talk about something specific.  i can only think of a
handful of songwriters that are like that.  joni mitchell has that gift and
ferron has that gift and bob dylan and shawn colvin.

[ar] a lot of times i narrate something that is happening, but i narrate it
in an abstract way because there are things that i can express in a sensual
way that cover more territory for me spiritually and emotionally.  and it
leaves things a little bit more open to interpretation.  sometimes i'll
write something down in a concrete way and it sounds very bland and
commonplace.  like when i wrote this new song about the holocaust, i wrote
something that just really didn't capture the anger and the height of
emotion.  so i took the whole experience and i took myself out of it and
removed anything that seemed too concrete.  i would look at the sentence and
i'd ask myself, "what appeals to the senses here?  what is the most graphic,
sensual thing i can think of for this?" and then i'd replace what i'd
written with something more abstract.

[ps] what about the role that your guitar skills play in your writing?  do
you ever feel locked into a particular songwriting style because you feel
limited by what you're capable of as a guitarist?

[es] yeah, to be honest, i do.  sometimes i would like to break out of my
musical style.  sometimes i wish i didn't have the voice i have - because
even when i try to put my most gut-wrenching punch into it, when i listen to
it on playback it still sounds mellow in a way.  and the same thing with
musical style - like with guitar, i really only play guitar one way.  if i
were accomplished on the piano i think i could write differently.  or if i
were able to open myself to other influences i would be able to write
differently.  a big problem is that i'm not very inspired by most new music
and i keep going back to the same things.  i feel like i could be a good
electric guitar player.  on this new album, amy's got a song called "touch
me fall" where i'm going to play electric guitar.  i'm really excited about it
because i feel the parts i've found are truly expressive of what i want to
do, and they're different from what i've done before.  and if i'd played
that song on acoustic guitar, it would have been a little bit more of the same.

[ar] i totally suck - i totally suck as a guitar player (laughing).  i'm
constantly battling that.  constantly! i'm totally limited.  that's that
biggest thorn and i'm really working on it.  i'm slowly progressing.  a lot
of times i'll have musical ideas in my head and i won't be able to express
them.  sometimes i'll sit down at a keyboard and mess around because piano
is really great to write on.  i relate more to a keyboard then i do a
fretboard because that's what i learned to play first.  but normally i'll
pick up other stringed instruments -- i'll pick up a mandolin, i'll play the
ukelele.  a lot of times i'll sit down with an electric guitar to open my
mind up a little but because for some reason i play different chords on an
electric than i would on an acoustic.

[ps] which of each other's songs are your favorites?

[es] i like so many of amy's songs - and for different reasons.  i love
"chicken man" - it was always one of my favorites songs to play live on this
past year of touring.  and i love her old standby upbeat songs like "land of
canaan."  i'll never get tired of playing that song, even though she does.
and the mystical power she gets in some of her songs like "jonas and
ezekial," where you almost know what she's talking about but you're not
sure.  those songs stay with you a long time because you can't figure them
out.  that's the great power of amy's songwriting, that mystery.  i take so
much pleasure in her songs.

[ar] i love "virginia woolf" - i think that's a great song.  and i've always
been a really big fan of "history of us," "crazy game" - i like that song a
lot, and "galileo" is an incredible song.  and in "watershed," i think the
line that starts, "twisted guardrails on the highway" is my favorite line
she's ever written.  i don't know why - it just really pops out at you.
it's so true.

[ps] which of your own songs are you happiest with?

[es] there's only about three or four of them - "history of us," "you and me
of the ten thousand wars," "ghost" and "love's recovery."  it's much easier
for me to write ballads.  there was a time when amy and i were playing in
clubs and a lot of my material wasn't being covered because it was all
ballads.  and amy was writing these great, uptempo rock songs.  now when i
go to hear a concert, i don't want to hear all ballads - it makes a ballad
that much more powerful if you only have two or three in your set.  but i
wasn't like that.  and so i had to make a conscious effort to try to open
myself up to writing things that were more upbeat.  but there's something
about that slow, introspective, moody, emotional thing that brings out my
best writing.  and with most of those songs - i was in pain when i was
writing those songs.  and i felt very specifically about what i was talking
about.

[ar] "kid fears" captured a period of my life and it's a really important
song to me, so i really like that one.  and then "chicken man" i really,
really like a lot because it just says everything i feel - and it's a song
about something that i'm totally preoccupied with all that time.  and i'm
glad i have it as a song. "three hits" is important to me because of the
content.  but those songs - i always enjoy playing them.

[ps] are there any situations where you like the song itself but aren't
satisfied with how the recording came out?

[es] well, i really like "rites of passage" a lot.  that's my favorite
record that we've done.  but having lived with it for a while, i think the
tempo of the song "let it be me" is too slow on the record.  because when we
were doing it live it felt much more natural to play it a little more
quickly.  i don't think "let it be me" is one of my better songs though, so
it wasn't like "oh, we ruined this great song by playing it slow."  but i
was really happy with the production on the song "ghost," which is rare for me.

[ar] on "nomads*indians*saints" there's a lot of stuff like that.  i felt
like we didn't grow hardly at all on that record.  we didn't experiment
enough - we stuck to a lot of patterns that were similar to the first album.
we were kind of tired and we just didn't do as good of a job as we should
have.  i like the record, but it doesn't hold up as well.  i think "world
falls" could have been treated a lot differently.  to me that song was
really important-- it had a lot more depth - and for some reason it just
wasn't treated the way it should have been.  that's the main song on that
record that i really would have done differently.  then on the last album i
liked the way we did everything, but after playing the songs for a year, i
felt that if we'd been able to record the album a year later it would have
been a better record.  some of the vocal nuances and intensity were lost
because we didn't know the songs as well when we
were recording.  but on the whole, i was pretty happy with that record.

[ps] what kinds of things do you draw from when you're trying to open
yourself up to be inspired to write?  do you expose yourself to certain
writers or listen to music?

[es] a lot of my songs are about friendships and interpersonal relationships
- most of them are.  so i watch the way we treat each other within my circle
of friends, what we do socially, our basic philosophies and what we think
about.  going out to hear live music is always inspiring.  but for the
writers that i really, really look up to, sometimes it's debilitating rather
than inspiring.  if i listen to ferron's songs, it's like, "i'm never going
to write a song like she does, so i might as well quit trying" (laughs).
that happens to me a lot.  i almost get this melancholy feeling when
i'm moved by a performance.  i was obsessed by virginia woolf's writing in a
big way - i still have so much more to read of hers.  i've been reading some
annie dillard this year - i'm sure she'll have a big influence on me as time
goes on.  i have my favorite southern writers - lee smith and faulkner.  and
seeing a good movie is always inspirational.

[ar] the reaction that you get from books and movies really helps me to be
inspired and tap into feelings.  i real a lot of history books and i read
william faulkner and comic books.  i love comics.  if i'm not sick of music
- i do get sick of music sometimes after we've been on tour - i'll go out
and hear music every single night for a week and i just get renewed.  it
opens me back up again.

[ps] can you identify any recurring themes or philosophies in your work?

[es] the critics would say, "the indigo girls - they're so serious, they're
so heavy."  but our experience at out concerts was not that at all.  we
found that people were uplifted you know, at times it was a catharsis,
getting through pain to get to the other side and that sort of thing.

[ar] well, we always write about death - that's a constant theme.  we tend
to dwell a lot on transitions, from one state of life to another.  life to
death, marriage to non-marriage, those kind of things.  i used to use more
religious references but i tend to use more nature oriented references now.
emily tends to use a lot of literary references - and relationships are a
recurring theme in emily's songs, i would say.  not necessarily lovers - she
uses her friends as points of reference a lot, what's happening among her
circle of friends.  obviously, friends and family are an important thing to
emily.

[ps] after you've finished a new song, does it help you to play it for someone?

[es] definitely.  when i wrote these new songs this time, a bunch of friends
and i went to a cabin and i was going to play these songs - and it was a
very vulnerable thing.  all of my confidence rested upon their opinions.  as
it turned out, it was favorable and i thought, "okay, maybe these songs are
all right."  but it's become much more difficult - ever since we started on
a major label and our career got rolling with all the touring and time
restraints - for me to just look at a song without trying it out on anyone
else and know, "this is good" or "this is not good."
and a lot of times my confidence can just be broken very quickly by
someone's response.  i used to really be interested in what reviews were
saying.  when we first got reviewed in rolling stone, i was about to die i
was so excited.  it felt like a dream back then.  to see critics reviewing
your work is both thrilling and scary as hell.  but the more i read reviews
and the more i think about the way people are, the more i think it's just
opinion.  you cannot truly be objective about pop art.  you can't.  now it's
gotten to where i feel, "why is it i have to know what other people think of
them right away when i didn't used to do that?"  i'm sure some of it's ego -
most of it, in fact.  but really, since our music has been more in the
public eye, i have tended to scrutinize it more than ever before.

[ar] for some reason, it does.  it's not like, "do they like this song or
not?" as much as that it's helpful in learning dynamics.  because when you
have an emotional backboard, you just do things that you might not have done
when you're sitting there by yourself.  you play a chorus and all of a
sudden you really want to sing it again because it feels right for some
reason.  and so you just do it spontaneously and it tells you whether or not
it's
going to work.  even playing in front of a couple of people does that.

[ps] how do you benefit from getting specific feedback on what you're
working on?

[es] i remember i played the first song i'd written when i came home this
summer for a friend, and she told me it reminded her of "watershed."  and i
was like, "thank you for telling me that! (laughs) i've got to rework this
song."  i'd much rather know something like that.  i mean, it's hard because
it means, "oh god, back to the drawing board."  and i don't mean to sound
dramatic about it, but songwriting can be excruciating.

[ar] critiques open my eyes to something that i think i would have
discovered in time, but it just makes it a lot easier to go, "yeah, back up.
i need to work on this song a little more.  it's not done yet."  because
sometimes i get over-excited and i want it to be finished.  i'm like, "no,
it's done - this is done.  this is the way i want it."  just because i want
the song to be done so badly.

[ps] do you have a strong instinct that tells you whether or not you should
follow someone's suggestions or stick with your original idea?

[es] well, on "least complicated," i had a line that said, "i'm just a
mirror of a mirror of a mirror of myself," and amy said that reminded too
much of "ten thousand wars" -- "i see my eyes in your eyes through my eyes."
and at first, i said, "i don't feel that way."  but i changed it to "i'm
just a mirror of a mirror" instead of saying it three times and i've really
become quite comfortable with that.  there will be other times when she'll
say something and i'll say, "no i like it this way."  so both of those
things happen.  those things come up, where it's just a matter of personal
taste.  ultimately, it's up to the writer to decide.  i'm actually fairly
objective about my work in that way.  someone can make a comment and i can
decide whether or not that's truly a good suggestion or whether the original
thing is the best thing to stick to.

[ar] it's so subjective.  some people may think it's a really bad line and i
may think it's a really good line just because expresses what i'm feeling -
that's ultimately what's most important to me.  if every time i sing a
certain line it doesn't really feel right, theni know i'll change it eventually.

[ps] in retrospect, is there anything about your older material that bothers
you?

[es] looking back on my earlier songs, my lyrics are embarrassing because
they're very blatantly bleeding-heart
emotional.  and i still have a little bit of that in me, but i try to
control it now because i find it much more satisfying to hear a song that's
not like that.  i've found as i've grown older that it's much more powerful
to be understated.  i wrote a song called "high horse" that was on the
original "strange fire" release - i hate that song.  that's one of my worst
songs because i took the imagery too far - "if you want to saddle your high
horse..." it was so forced.  first of all, i wasn't writing it about
anything - i was sort of making up anger toward someone and it was a
completely imaginary scenario and that came out in the writing too.  there's
no emotional attachment to it.  usually when i feel
really very strongly emotionally about something, that's when i'm able to
write my best songs.

[ar] i think when i was writing "land of canaan" type stuff, my chord
vocabulary was very limited.  and i wrote a lot of upbeat songs because i
felt that was the best way to express anger and i tended to go for that - go
for the noise factor.  i think i've grown and i've moved away from being
very introspective and melodramatic into realizing that it's not always good
to be that self-involved in a song.  and that if you want a song to reach
out to somebody, you have to reach out within the song.

[ps] are there any songs you've wished you could go back and revise after
the fact?

[es] i sort of let a song go once i've written it.  there are songs that i
look back on and i go, "that's not one of my better songs" or things like
that.  but i never really think, "i'd love to rework that."  it's always,
"what's the next group of songs going to be like?"  and if you feel that way
about that song in the past, remember that the next time you're sitting down
to write.

[ar] golly, there's tons, i'm sure.  that song, "keeper of my heart," i wish
i had written a different chorus for that because i really like the verses.
but the chorus is kind of immature and a little too introspective and kind
of melodramatic.  and the chorus was too reminiscent of "blood and fire."
it's just that you change as you get older and you would say things differently.

[ps] what are the most important songwriting lessons you've learned?

[es] you have to be thankful for your gift and take pleasure and solace in
it.  and recognize it for what it is and not be tortured by what you think
are your inadequacies.  and i'm also speaking to myself because this is
something that i'm going through.  for me, it's a matter of just teaching
myself a little more to let go.  don't try to control where everything is going.

[ar] you really just have to let yourself go and not be worried about what
other people are going to say or the things that might come out.  no one
else has to hear it if you don't want them to.  just jump right in full
force and be as silly and stupid and adolescent and introspective as you
want to be.  then sit down and edit it.  and always finish what you're
working on, even if you're never going to play it.  develop the idea as much
as you can and don't automatically go, "oh, this sucks," and put it away -
because you never know what's it's going to turn into.

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date:         wed, 26 jun 1996 13:18:55 -0500
reply-to:     sylvia v parga <sparga@tenet.edu>
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subject:      a plea for t-shirt info....

hey y'all....

could someone out there please send me the t-shirt ordering info
(address, price, etc...)?  i've been kicked out of my school account that
had all the info on it, and will only be at this address for a couple of
days.  thanks!

cylinda

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date:         wed, 26 jun 1996 14:45:09 -0400
reply-to:     capistran amy l <alcapi@mail.wm.edu>
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from:         capistran amy l <alcapi@mail.wm.edu>
subject:      tmf, janis ian, me law suit
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        first off, yes this person can sue me, several musicians have
been sued like this.  billy joel will no longer listen to peoples demo's
because he has been sued twice and is afraid to have it happen again.
        secondly, thank you to everyone who responded to my post about
janis ian, i feel so loved.  anyway to al of those of you out there(does
that make any sense?) who like her you should check out her column that
appears occasionally in the advocate.  she is really very funny.  a
little off color some times but almost always hilarious.
        ok, on to something indigo.  first off, the only thing i could
come up with from all skate, now reverse, was roller skating.  granted it
makes no sense with the rest of the song, but what does.  when my roomate
and i were first really getting into ig we listened to so one night with
the lyric sheet out, i love to disect the meanings of songs.  anyway, we
came to tmf and got real confused.  we took the "fall", to be like the
old saying aboutr falling of a horse etc.  we also got the whole drowning
ophelia reference, of course one of our friends thought that it was lady
macbeth who had drowned, it's ok she's a chem major.  we even got the
dictionary out and discovered that the cypress is the official tree of
mourning and we figured that it was reallt smooth(bald) like granite worn
down by water.  of course we never figured out what that had to do with
mourning, but hey.  so as you can see i'm just as confused as all of you,
but we did celebrate the little bit we came up with even though even that
makes no sense.  ok, now that i've dissoriented even myself, i'll end the
ramblings now.  figures that i'd pick this song as my first post for a
song of the day.  i promise that my next one will be brilliantly
insightful.
                                                amy
                                i care less and less what people think
                                                        (ani)

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date:         wed, 26 jun 1996 15:02:59 -0400
reply-to:     "rahadyan timoteo (tim) sastrowardoyo" <tisast@nytimes.com>
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from:         "rahadyan timoteo (tim) sastrowardoyo" <tisast@nytimes.com>
subject:      re: going to the chapel ... please help! (nigc)

though we consider "our song" to be "unforgettable" by nat king cole,
we're seriously considering elton john's "seasons" (covered by heart
for their acoustic album _the road home_) as our first dance song...

is the van morrison song "have i told you lately?" the same as the rod
stewart song made famous a couple of years ago?

--rahadyan

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subject:      tmf
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i think amy's saying, "try to hold it like rain in a river"  really fast
in that mumbly part right before they go crazy.  if i'm wrong, please tell
me what she's saying. i
guess it really doesn't matter.  oh well, just participating.


love, wendell

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subject:      one+1/2 weeks left!  1996 list shirt deadline approaches!
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ok b's and g's!

less than 1 1/2 weeks to get your order in!

this is it!  the final stretch to get a 1996 list shirt!  please read the
following and send your order now! if you are interested in a shirt...okie
dokie?

remember...i will be gone, out of the country, not available, sooooo  i can't
extend the deadline.  i will send the order for the shirts after the mail
arrives on the deadline. if your order comes after july 9th.....it will be
marked return to sender.  sorry :)  and we don't plan on doing a reprint of
this design...so please don't miss out!

please read the following carefully...then let me know if you still have any
questions :)  thanks.
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the 1996 official "unofficial" indigo girls list t-shirt

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if you are web impaired (don't have web access), please read the very bottom
of this message for a description of the shirt :)  thanks.

please save this message!
the following will be all the info you need to get your t-shirt.  this is
the
only time the shirts will be printed...and all orders must be received by
july 9th, 1996.
this means have it in the mail no later than the 6th!  ok,
to see the shirt, designed by deb, check it out on my home page.

see it directly at:
http://members.aol.com/ncrobino/igshirt.htm

or you can check out my whole home page, starting at the begining:
http://members.aol.com/ncrobino/robspage.htm

the ig shirt page has all the info to order as well.  so please forward that
address to anyone you may think might be interested in a shirt so that they
can check out the design too.

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ordering and shirt info

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the shirts are completely a volunteer effort on my part and deb's part.  we
both have volunteered our time and talents to bring this shirt to the
list...hence, they will be sold at cost!  absolutely no money is being made
on these shirts...therefore we must have a minimum of 50 shirts ordered in
order for us to break even.  if there is any money left over, which is very
doubtful, it will be donated to a charity that me and deb agree on and
believe in.
ok,
the shirts will be printed on 100% organic fabric.  they will have an earthy
look to them, and will be completely environmentally safe!  this was a bit
more ($1/shirt), but we think it is worth it!  the shirts are very durable
and thick....excellent quality!
the shirts will go as follows:
l     $14.50
xl   $14.50
xxl  $15.50

that is it!  $3.50 is added into that price for shipping and handling ($3
for
first class, $.50 for the envelope)...so you really can't beat $11 to $12
bucks for the shirt.  we are very proud that we kept the price so low, we
had
to shop around :)
to order:
i must receive your order before july 9th!  i will be moving to ecuador in
august and i must have enough time to get the shirts printed and then
shipped
out to everyone.  i am sorry, i can't have any acceptions due to this
restraint.  so order for friends and let them pay you back:)
what to send:
1. send a cashiers check, money order (made out to rob augino), or cash (at
your risk) for the amount indicated above.  remember, shipping is included
(if you have an international order, please add a few extra bucks.).

2.also, please don't forget this!  send a shipping label with your order.
  remember, print the address you want your shirt sent to on the shipping
label.  be sure to print your label clear and legibly!  it will be used on
your package and you don't want it going to columbia instead of
california...know what i mean?

that is it!  please check out the home page for extra details..and if you
have any questions at all...feel free to email me immediately!  i am very
accessible and will answer any questions anyone might have.
also, if you are going to order....please send me an email, just to let me
know.  thanks:)

thats it!  oh yeah, an address:
rob augino
7504 dunbar rd.
wilmington, nc 28405
usa
take care everyone and i hope to hear from you soon!  thanks for the
support!
rob augino
ncrobino@aol.com


i figured it would be best to send out written description of the t-shirt
for those of you out there who may not have web access. get comfy in chair
and try to imagine this......

the shirt itself: a 100% certified organic cotton t-shirt (which means the
little ole cotton plants get to live in the field free of pesticides and
other junk). the shirt color is "natural" (ya know, off-white).

the front design: a left chest imprint that represents the girls. it
consists of two iconish/hieroglyphic guitar playing characters (similar to
the ones on the indicated ii cover). one rests in a mustardy colored not so
perfect rectangle and resides next to one in a burgandyish not so perfect
rectangle. the words "power of two" are in a handwritten looking font and
reversed out of a black not so perfect oval that rests above the
characters. below the image is the address of the list.

and if had the patience to draw
that with the keyboard characters
i would put it here --------------------->

the back image: one of amy's streams interspersed with lyrics by emily that
echo the stream's sediments. amy's words are in an upper case distressed
type font and printed in the burgandy color. emily's words are in a
lowercase handwritten looking font and printed in the mustard color. the
words are as follows:

i will walk down the street
i will walk down the street
i will walk down the street and i will hold my head high.

(my life is part of the global life)

i will walk down the street and i will say hello to everybody
and i will hold my head high.
i will say hello to everyone

(if the world is night, shine my life like a light)

i will not be ashamed
i will fall down and i will get back up again
i will not be ashamed

(nobody gets a lifetime rehearsal, as specks of dust we're universal)

i will not be complacent
i will not be complacent
i will not be complacent

(by grace my sight grows stronger)

and we will not be complacent
and we will not be complacent
and we will not be ashamed

(my place is of the sun)

and we will be alive
and we will be happy
and we will walk down the street
and we will smile and we won't worry about it

(each life has its place)

we will not be racist
we will not be sexist
we will not be homophobic
we will not hate

(the evil ego and the vice of pride
is there ever anything else that makes us take our different sides?)

we will love we will love we will love we will love
we will love the ones we hate
we will love the ones we hate

(little version of the symbol from the front)

...it's all in our hands
got to learn to respect what we don't understand
we are fortunate ones, fortunate ones i swear... (in burgandy)

words and lyrics by amy ray and emily saliers
all rights are theirs (in the mustardy color)

well that's about it. if after all of that you still can't imagine what it
looks like and if you have any kind of software that will allow you to view
a jpeg or eps file, let me know i can email you a file to view. or if those
little letters mean nothing to you i can fax you or snail mail you a
print-out of the design if you really, really need to see it before
ordering. just let me know!
thanks again.
rob augino

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date:         wed, 26 jun 1996 17:39:00 edt
reply-to:     tracy & shedding hordes <clumber9@alliance.net>
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from:         tracy & shedding hordes <clumber9@alliance.net>
subject:      tmf

sherry wrote:
>>>new concept: *putting thinking cap on*
>>>
>>>tmf is about sex.

then our resident (aka inpatient?) goddess kim replied:
>>for heaven's sake, yes ( oh yes yes yes!!!??? ) :-) sex in wheeled chairs!!!
>>kim... who will just shut up now :-)

and i now reply, sex?  <tracy stumbles hazily across her room to the cd
player...>  then what's this neighborhood is green stuff?  wedding, death,
fears....???  y'all have very different experiences with this concept than
*i* have.. not that i am making any particular judgment about your...
ummm... *skatinglife*, but..... ?? okay, how about this - i certainly agree
that the music is very definitely about sex... or should be... but i don't
see where the lyrics cruise there... unless our ar really mumbles some odd
things when she.. umm.. when she, like *skates*.. if you catch my
drifting.....  <scanning nervously for list referees> not that i am at all
discussing anything personal.... well, yeah.. i lied.. i guess i am.
        so is the consensus, then, that i (we) should just ignore the lyrics
in this one and, errr... just enjoy the skating rink?
        tracy <hoping that my not previously noting the sexuality of the
music doesn't give away too much about my life... > <goofy dorky grin>

and kim?  don't forget to set the brakes on your wheeled chairs... talk
about touch me fall...
        only 8 days! whoooo! <not that those are related... errr....>

~~~~^~~~^~^~^~^~^^~~~^~^~^~^~^~^^~ (homesick for mountains)
"the dreams came in like needy children
          tugging at my sleeve....
i said i have no way of feeding you
           so leave...."
        --- emily saliers "prince of darkness"

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date:         wed, 26 jun 1996 18:02:51 edt
reply-to:     justin peter finnegan <jpf5@lehigh.edu>
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from:         justin peter finnegan <jpf5@lehigh.edu>
subject:      questions questions questions (answers anyone?)

    hey all.

        havent posted in awhile but i'm just brimming over with questions from
        my latest trip to the record store.

        first of all there's a new (maybe old?) bootleg cd out. its called
        "uptown lounge" and yes its a cd not the video. the cover is the
        graphic from inside the rop cover. it doesn't have anything
        unrealesed, and doesn't mention what show its from. so here's the
        question. is it worth the $24 it costs? if anyone has it i'd love to
        know.

        ok question #2. i got a ferron promo single "stand up" great tune, the
        question is is that amy talking at the start of the song? sounds like
        her but i also might be imagining things.

        final question. did anyone bootleg the lehigh u/stabler arena show
        from 4/27/95? if so i would trade my first and third born children
        (just kidding but i have 6 or so boots to trade) for it.

        finally. congratulations to lorinda (lorindigo) who recieved her ph.d
        a month or so ago. i was in the audience. so good for you doc.

        thanks in advance y'all

        hasta

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date:         wed, 26 jun 1996 14:59:00 -0700
reply-to:     "kim: goddess of \"eh?\"" <rcn@prcn.org>
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from:         "kim: goddess of \"eh?\"" <rcn@prcn.org>
subject:      more tmf

at 05:39 pm 6/26/96 edt, the tracester wrote:
many things which have me saying: "i am off to buy roller blades now!!!!"
( danged parking brake on my wheeled chair don't work worth diddley squat!)
peace + uh... skating, all... kim.
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
     <just kim>rcn@prcn.org
"how much further, if you can spin. how
      much further, if you are smooth"
   ------------amy ray---------------
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>

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date:         wed, 26 jun 1996 17:42:30 -0500
reply-to:     sylvia v parga <sparga@tenet.edu>
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from:         sylvia v parga <sparga@tenet.edu>
subject:      more tmf

howdy all,

you know, in support of doc lorindigo's um....profoundly brilliant (tee
hee) analysis linking tmf to that growth of dead stuff on top of amy's
head (hair...hair, just in case you missed it :)  i just thought bring to
everyone's attention those several instances where amy has actually sung
"cypress moon, _i_was_ bald in june"
in performances of th song.  hmmmmmmm.....i really think they're on to
something with the hair thing.  clears up so much.  okay, okay, for those
of you who have to have the sex too, it can be about hair and sex :)

oh, and i always thought the "all skate, now reverse" things was really
appropriate, cause admit it, tmf does sound quite like a skating rink
song.......just add that spinning disco ball and poof! instant four
wheeled fun.  just try requesting it next time you're visiting your local
skating rink and watch the folks zoom by with silly grins on their faces,
you'll see what i mean, really ....well, okay, maybe not :)

cylinda (who actually couldn't skate to save her life....)

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date:         wed, 26 jun 1996 20:06:14 -0400
reply-to:     kevsmin@aol.com
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from:         kevin minoli <kevsmin@aol.com>
subject:      tmf

well, here goes my thoughts on tmf.

at its most basic, visceral level, tmf always taps into that part of me that
needs to be seen as beautiful.  it isn't really that one person needs to be
attracted to me (although that would be nice too :))  but more that i am
perceived by people in general as goodlooking.   it is the need to be
accepted on the most basic, physical level.

where does ar or tmf say that?  well, they don't exactly, but they do say,
"all the sounds i've missed all these years, have come down to weddings,
deaths and fears."  are those "sounds"  the sounds of celebration that us
that traditionally accompany these events?  events that you must be beautiful
and loved to partake in (except, of course, fear).

"all i've heard has been in vain, like water on a stain."  no matter how many
times she has heard things to the contrary -- no matter how many people
admire her and tell her she is beautiful -- she still sees herself is unfit
for love.  as she says, these comments are as feeble as trying to remove
stains with plain water.

the whole "touch me, i'm so beautiful" chorus is her wishing that if someone
did those things, it would make her feel beautiful.  sort of like the thought
that if i get a date with joe or jane popular, it will make me popular too.
but the person knows that it will never work.

swamp ophelia is a shakesperian reference to his charcter in (i forget at the
moment), but as all good shakespeare characters, i believe she dies unloved,
by committing suicide:

"let your waters, let me drown..."  "are you crying, i am crying."  to me,
that is what the song is doing, crying.  this person is alone, isolated by
how they believe they are perceived by others.

that what it says to me.  i think it is perfectly clear, but then again, i
don't have my glasses on.  does anyone else feel this way?  can anyone else
at least see what i am getting at?

thanks for your time and thoughts...

kevin s. minoli

"the truth is that life is delicious, horrible, charming, frightful, sweet,
bitter, and that is everything."  anatole france

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date:         wed, 26 jun 1996 19:14:04 -0500
reply-to:     casey connor <chc1@cec.wustl.edu>
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from:         casey connor <chc1@cec.wustl.edu>
subject:      ***my peta/animal rights treatsie [nigc]

first some slight corrections/disagreements with previously stated things:
(skip to the next section for the potentially more interesting part)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

-penicillin was given as an example of a useful medical advance from
animal testing. penicillin kills guinea pigs (one of the historically
common animals used in testing.) if we had tested it on them imagine the
human lives that would have been lost in the increased delay. thalidomide
was also given (wisely) as an example of a tested subtstance that exposed
the lack of useful information from animal testing.

-alf (animal liberation front) people are not terrorists. they free animals
from fur farms, cause economic loss to experimenters (whom i will not
dignify with the title "scientists"), and the like. they never have and
never will intentionally or otherwise cause injury to any being, human or
otherwise. this is _far_ more than i can say for the bulk of society. the
losses in medical advances because of research they disrupt (if in fact
any such losses occur) are outweighed by the public's and the medical
community's raised awareness.

-peta is definately _not_ one of the more extreme groups. they are one of
the _least_ extreme, most mainstream groups. they are also the largest. i
support the work they do but naturally have disagreements.

now my views:
-----------------

animal testing is outdated and has become a tool of multi-billion dollar
pharmaceutical industries. why is it still done? follow the money:
researches prolong it because it's profitable grant money for them.
companies support it because it's easier than investigating the
alternatives and because public opinion has faith in it. the people
support it because they are lied to by the corporations that want it. are
experimenters evil people? of course not. just ignorant (literal
definition there...) 90% of it is reduntant, unbelievably cruel,
unnecessary, etc. and don't fool yourself into believing that animal
tests are regulated in any real way. as someone aptly put it earlier, the
use of the animals is left to the discretion of the experimenter.

sure you can get useful information. the canary in the coal mine is a
rudimentary example. spray it on a dog and see what happens. you aren't
going to hurt any people and you just may find out that it kills dogs and
therefore may kill people. the questions are: 1 - how much information do we
get and 2 - at what cost.

1 - we don't get much information. even after animal tests, human tests are
necessary. the animal "data" is often useless anyway. remember that it's
only being done as part of a financial cycle anyway. don't be naive about
corporations and their greed, ok? i don't care how many good-hearted
researchers you know in the field. it's not the people in a multimillion
dollar corporation that have anything to do with the ethics; that the sad
part; it's the corporation's interests that are key, and those interests
are money, money, and money.

2 - the cost is staggering. animal agriculture kills far more animals every
year, but significant numbers still go down in a "scientific" community
that has voided itself of any and all moral responsibility. ethics have
no place in the laboratory, by scientists' own admission.

animal activists are accused of being emotional. oh no. god forbid
someone be emotional or compassionate. that might get in the way of
"progress" (=profits.)

perhaps one of the most tragic examples of this is the way that aids
patients have been manipulated at their own expense. at the very recent
world animal rights conference in d.c., the self-described flagship san
francisco chapter of the usually pro-animal-testing aids activist group
act up! was present to give their support in the fight against animal
testing. their speaker put it best:

"...and i'm a man with aids. on december 15th, 1995, actup! san francisco,
flag ship of the radical aids activist .. issued a statement condeming
the baboon bone-marrow transplant. today, we are here to reaffirm our
commitment to the ban of animal testing and to stand in solidarity with
you. [stuff deleted] 15 years, 34 billion dollars, three drugs that
don't work..." (tape ends...)

please educate yourselves. stop being brainwashed; use some common sense,
and for once end the hypocrisy of animal testing; give all animals the
same compassion you claim to have for other people and your pets; do it
for yourself, other humans, and the animals.

thanks,

/~~ /~\ /~\ |~ \ /
|   |_| \-\ |-  |
\__ | | \_/ |_  |

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date:         wed, 26 jun 1996 20:43:14 -0400
reply-to:     deb <indigo@clark.net>
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from:         deb <indigo@clark.net>
subject:      nigc:  etheridge lawsuit

x-shameless cd-plug: ani difranco, dilate
lines: 18

rachel sefton-smith <seffy@epic.co.uk> wrote:

>melissa - i read in the pink paper that a woman in the states is sueing
>melissa over the fact that a couple of the songs on yes i am are too similar
>to songs on her earlier albums!! i've lost the paper now, but i wondered if
>anyone else had heard this? what's the story? can someone really do that?  i
>can think of other artists who deserve to be sued much more than melissa...
>how bizarre!

from what i've heard, the woman says etheridge stole her chord
progressions. lol! they're not exactly as distinctive as emily solos. :)
sounds like it's just a publicity stunt.

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              "i sing sometimes like my life is at stake /
   'cause you're only as loud as the noises you make." --ani difranco

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date:         wed, 26 jun 1996 19:51:26 -0400
reply-to:     deb <indigo@clark.net>
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from:         deb <indigo@clark.net>
subject:      re: jonas & ezekial

x-shameless cd-plug: ani difranco, dilate
lines: 20

jennifer hall <jennifer=halls=deskcalls=hou@bangate.compaq.com> wrote:

>i know we discussed this in our "song a day" series, but can we go back to
>it for a sec?
>
>what is it about?  to listen to it, i always thought jonas & ezekial were
>native americans.  but i seem to remember someone posting about this being
>of religous nature.

have you read your 1200 curfews booklet notes lately? :)

    "i'm never sure what this song is about -- but somehow biblical
     names in a slave cemetary and a bike ride in new hampshire conjured
     up a song about oppression, activism, and indians" - amy ray

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         "you know every time i move/ i make a woman's movement"
                   - ani difranco, "hour follows hour"

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date:         wed, 26 jun 1996 19:53:08 -0400
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from:         deb <indigo@clark.net>
subject:      re: nigc - ani difranco

x-shameless cd-plug: ani difranco, dilate
lines: 24

dan perkins <dperkins@coa1.ci.austin.tx.us> wrote:

>so, ani difranco was just here in austin a couple of weeks ago.... and
>like an idiot i opted not to go to the show (basically i couldn't find
>someone to go with).

well, you must be an idiot if you'd prefer to not see any rather than see
her alone... :)

>i am not real familiar with her music.. but this
>weekend i saw a video of her from a concert somewhere on the east coast.
>she was doing a song called "i am not an angry girl" (i think that's the
>name)...alls i can say is amazing!!! or perhaps wow!
>
>now i want a second chance! ani, come on back to austin!!

okay... you're not an idiot, you just weren't enlightened yet. :)   welcome
to the ranks of ani admirers, which includes our beloved amy ray!

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          "i put my three cents in, because history owes me one"
                      - ani difranco, "god's country"

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date:         wed, 26 jun 1996 21:17:29 -0400
reply-to:     kellie deis <kdeis@phoenix.kent.edu>
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from:         kellie deis <kdeis@phoenix.kent.edu>
subject:      hi!

hi! my name id kellie deis, i go to school in cleveland, oh, and i am
living in cincinnati for the summer. i am new to the list and wanted
to intro myself to all of you. obviously i am here b/c i love ig! does
anyone know any tour info? i need a live fix, big time! let me know if
you do. thanks! looking forward to getting to know all of you!
kellie!
(you can call me by my nickname, slurpy)
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date:         wed, 26 jun 1996 18:40:49 -0700
reply-to:     smurphy@ups.edu
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subject:      tmf

thank you all!  i've been telling my friends this song is all about sex and
they never listen. now i have back up to my arguments:) love sundara

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from:         regina shelley <rshelley@oregon.uoregon.edu>
subject:      tmf--the real and true meaning

okay, maybe not so real or true, but here goes:

much of amy's stuff on so is reflective of growing up--reunion, dead man's
hill, etc.  so this may be a song about going home--i've never heard amy
mention her parents, but when are the times you go visit with
parents--weddings, funerals, and when your fears send you home because you
want to feel safe.  now if she she is writing about her parents, then the
song may be about wanting them to love her for who she is, wanting them to
be proud of her--touch me i'm so beautiful--rub your hand across my
head--the way you do to a child you love.  perhaps she wants to reconnect
with her parents, with both her and them coming out of hiding and being real
with each other in a new adult relationship--not just the old parent/child
relationship.  she realizes that she wants their support--come with me it's
not worth it if you don't--but realizes that she'll let them down sometimes.
so, doesn't that sound true and real?
*********************
regina shelley
department of english
university of oregon
*********************

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> >now i want a second chance! ani, come on back to austin!!
>
> okay... you're not an idiot, you just weren't enlightened yet. :)   welcome
> to the ranks of ani admirers, which includes our beloved amy ray!

and, if meory serves me correctly, emily too =)

                        -- chris (member of the equal time police ;))

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in a message dated 96-06-26 18:08:36 edt, jpf5@lehigh.edu (justin peter
finnegan) writes:

<< ok question #2. i got a ferron promo single "stand up" great tune, the
         question is is that amy talking at the start of the song? sounds
like
         her but i also might be imagining things.
  >>
yup!!

cool... i knew something!!!!!!!!!!! :)

rick


*rick's one word reviews*
heather nova: oyster - okay...
me'shell ndegeocello: peace beyond passion - wow!!!!!!

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greetings all,

i have a lot of anxious energy right now, i'm actually supposed to be
relaxing, but i can't cause in less than 2 hrs i am on my way to
atlanta, via my car and 18 hrs of driving.  luckily sue was kind enough
to join me for this adventure, and i am really glad she is.  i am
looking forward to seeing atlanta, it will be my first trip down south,
but hopefully not my last.  thanks to everyone who sent me info about
pride and all the other stuff going on this weekend.  i am bringing
my camcorder and 35mm camera, so hopefully i will get some good footage
and photos of the girls at pride.  take care and have great weekends all!!!

-deb

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hello, all! =)
      not much indigo girls content.  i know you were curious. =)  time for
sarah's inspirational and eloquent post for the evening... she's full of
questions tonight and hopes that you're all full of the answers! =)  first,
if you are going to atlanta pride, i think it would be cool if the listees
could at least meet during the festivities, if not before or whatever was
being planned.  how's about you all e-mail if you're going.  that way we'll
have a list.  did we ever decide when or where? (i'm still reading mail from
the 16th, so i could be _way_ behind, here...)  secondly, is anyone going to
see michelle friday night at eddie's?  i'm there. =)  would be fun to see
some of you there... not that i would notice if you were, with michelle in
the same room... (not that i even remember to _breathe_ with michelle in the
same room...)  third, how many of you haven't sent off for scot's tape, eh?
huh?  well, why not?  didn't i tell you to?  are you deliberately disobeying
me?  i think that's all.  as usual, e-mail if you like, love, listen to, have
boots of, want boots of, or are michelle malone. =)  i wish i could put that
in a sig, but i don't think i can have one here on aol... what does that
matter, though, when i can write my e-mail in bright orange? ;)  amyray, i'm
off!  peace, love, and butter biscuits, sarah

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subject:      ophelia reference in tmf

>swamp ophelia is a shakesperian reference to his charcter in (i forget at
the
  moment),

hamlet!  hamlet!  hamlet!

>but as all good shakespeare characters, i believe she dies unloved,
  by committing suicide:

okay, we had  *big* discussion in literature class (remember, katy? =) about
ophelia's madness and subsequent death.  it never actually *says* in _hamlet_
that ophelia committed suicide.  near the end of the play (act iv, i believe)
hamlet rejected ophelia and left her brokenhearted.  she went mad and started
singing seemingly pointless songs.  afterwards, when she was swinging from a
willow (i think) branch, it fell and she plunged to her death in a stream (or
"swamp", for indigo purposes =). no one except gertrude (hamlet's mom) saw
this happen, so she informed everyone else of the incident.  in our
discussion, it was said that a.)  ophelia committed suicide because she had
been depressed/gone mad,  b.)  the branch just snapped naturally, and  c.)
gertrude pushed ophelia out of the tree.  but later in the play, it was
debated whether or not ophelia should be granted obsequies because of the
suspicion surrounding her death.  in the end, she did have a proper burial,
but some doubt still remained.  i'll let y'all ponder this and form your own
opinions... and please feel free to correct any of my errors!  i can't find
my copy of
_hamlet_ right now (probably burned it--heh, heh).

i honestly have _no_ idea what this has to do with tmf, so if anyone has any
ideas,
they would be appreciated! =)  maybe amy just likes shakespeare! =)

peace, love, and shakespeare, =)
carrie the ponygirl

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actually, i believe the "swamp ophelia" mentioned in tmf is supposed to be the
name of a plant. in a couple of interviews, a&e have said that both the album
title and the reference to it in tmf have to do with a plant name that amy
saw in a book at some point in time -- but so far they haven't actually been
able to find this plant.

:)

anna

p.s. i don't know what tmf is about either, though i do like it a lot -- in
"watershed" said something about it's being about beauty and decay ("fall")
...


indigopony@aol.com,inet writes:
>swamp ophelia is a shakesperian reference to his charcter in (i forget at
the
  moment),

hamlet!  hamlet!  hamlet!

>but as all good shakespeare characters, i believe she dies unloved,
  by committing suicide:

okay, we had  *big* discussion in literature class (remember, katy? =) about
ophelia's madness and subsequent death.  it never actually *says* in _hamlet_
that ophelia committed suicide.  near the end of the play (act iv, i believe)
hamlet rejected ophelia and left her brokenhearted.  she went mad and started
singing seemingly pointless songs.  afterwards, when she was swinging from a
willow (i think) branch, it fell and she plunged to her death in a stream (or
"swamp", for indigo purposes =). no one except gertrude (hamlet's mom) saw
this happen, so she informed everyone else of the incident.  in our
discussion, it was said that a.)  ophelia committed suicide because she had
been depressed/gone mad,  b.)  the branch just snapped naturally, and  c.)
gertrude pushed ophelia out of the tree.  but later in the play, it was
debated whether or not ophelia should be granted obsequies because of the
suspicion surrounding her death.  in the end, she did have a proper burial,
but some doubt still remained.  i'll let y'all ponder this and form your own
opinions... and please feel free to correct any of my errors!  i can't find
my copy of
_hamlet_ right now (probably burned it--heh, heh).

i honestly have _no_ idea what this has to do with tmf, so if anyone has any
ideas,
they would be appreciated! =)  maybe amy just likes shakespeare! =)

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...cool!!...


marilyn

i am a problem child- i've been wild all my days...(a.ray)

..still crazy after all these years.. (p. simon)

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subject:      yet more tmf

ok, here goes.  now bear with me cause i'm still piecing this together.
i think tmf sounds like it's a confession of love that has been
repressed for too long.

the opening lines suggest that she is waking up to the reality of the
situation and seeing things clearly now. ("i'm waking from a dream the
neighborhood is green..." (most dreams are in b & w, thus the color
reference)).  her fear of losing loved ones has caused her to shut out or
ignore signals from this loved one ("...all the sounds i've missed for
years come down to wedding (as in joining) deaths and fears...").  her
friends have tried to make her aware of the obvious, but to no avail
("...all i've heard has been in vain like water on a stain...").  she is
finally realizing how much she loves and desires this person and how
much she wants this person to love and desire her ("...touch me i'm so
beautiful...") and also how unhappy she would be without this person in
her life ("...come with me it's not worth it if you don't...").  she is
asking if this person still feels the same ("...are you hiding...") and
openely admitting that she has been hiding her feelings ("...i am
hiding...").  she now stands emotionally naked before her loved one
("...cypress moon bald in june..."), all of her defenses worn down to
nothing ("...like the granite in a stream...i'm torn down...").  she
wants to surrender herself to the delirious chaos of love and passion
with this person ("...let you waters let me drown...").  she realizes
that she has hurt this person and that she may be too late ("...are you
crying i am crying...").  she has watched this person try to reach her
countless times and watched herself rebuff those efforts ("...jump jump
jump so high watch me let you down...").  she accepts that she may screw
up and that things may not work out anyway ("...if i stumble i will
stumble if i fall i will fall...), and is willing to take that chance
now.  since accepting her feelings for this person she has tried to
contain them and keep them hidden, but can't do it anymore because
they've grown beyond her control ("...i'm trying to hold it like rain in
a river everything is getting bigger...").  she would rather confess her
true fellings and take her chances, than try to hide it for the rest of
her life ("...better this won't last forever...").

so, what do you think?  am i totally full of it?


tuesday's child (future psychotherapist)

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subject:      j & e..whats emily saying?

at the end of jonas and ezekial...what is emily saying?
amy is saying...
"i said theres prophets in the graveyard"
while emily sings...:

***** is before me,  **** is behind me  blah blah...

i can't make it out for the life of me.
anyone?  anyone?  bueller?
thanks
rob

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subject:      desperately seeking kristen chords.

hi all.  i have had people asking me for chords to kristen's stuff...and i
only have the chords for i have my reasons...and seeds of a lifetime.

does anyone have any other songs they could share with me?
thanks a million!
take care
rob

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>>>at the end of jonas and ezekial...what is emily saying?
amy is saying...
"i said theres prophets in the graveyard"
while emily sings...:

***** is before me,  **** is behind me  blah blah...
<<<
sounds like "beauty" to me...
kirsten

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"if they don't call you a lesbian, you probably aren't accomplishing anything"
-- cheris kramarae and paula treichler
http://wilbur.wellesley.edu/n-z/t1kchevalier/t1kchevalier.html

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subject:      what emily says

hey rob,

it's

"now i walk in beauty, beauty is before me, beauty is behind me, above and
below."

i think it's a native american prayer or something.  anyone?

corinne

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>message "re: j & e..whats emily saying?", sent at 01:02 edt on 27-jun-96,
>could not be delivered to wow:pixie_dust_4 at 01:02 edt on 27-jun-96
>because the recipient mailbox is full.

oh great...now one of 'em has a full mailbox and all our mailboxes will
fill with error emssages before it's over. :|
kirsten the p.o.'ed

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              "indigo@bbs.cowland.com" at jun 27, 96 12:17 am

you know the more i listen to tmf, the more i think that trying to
analyze it is the wrong way to go about understanding the song.  you
get the "missing the forest through the trees" effect.  i have no clue
what "cyprus moon, bald in june" means and i doubt amy does either,
especially after reading carolyn's latest article [btw, keep it up --
those things are great!] where amy talked about coming up with
abstract images to get her points across.

i guess i don't think it "means" anything, its more a feeling thing.
its one of those songs where the music and lyric rythym convey more to
me than the actual words.  the hypnotic first section, then a reprise,
then a very angry, frustrated conclusion -- those drums and amy's
"tyring to hold it" overdub at the beginning just make it.  its as i
she's holding somthing in and it just explodes all over the place at
the end ("trying to hold it like rain in a river" -- rivers are lousy
at holding water after all).  what explodes, why it explodes, how it
explodes -- just don't know.

but somehow i know i can relate.

                                -- chris

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subject:      re: what emily says....

our illustrious list member corinne :-) wrote something like:

emily says: "now i walk in beauty, beauty is before me, beauty is behind me,
above and below me"

and:
"i think it is a native american prayer or something.  anyone?"

yes, what emily says is a variation of a traditional native saying usually
attributed to the navajo people...

in the spirit of the earth,
cynthia crecca

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subject:      fw: yet more tmf

>you know the more i listen to tmf, the more i think that trying to
>analyze it is the wrong way to go about understanding the song. =20

(snip)

> what explodes, why it explodes, how it explodes -- just don't know.
>but somehow i know i can relate.

                                -- chris

chris,

cool. i thought i was the only one. i, too, can't really figure
out what this song means, nor even what it means to me. but somewhere =
deep in the recesses of my soul, the song touches an emotional chord.=20

ok having said that, let me try to decipher what this song means to me, =
at least what it means to me right this moment.

i love the passion and changing emotions of this song. to me it is =
alternately sad and angry. somewhere underneath it all i feel it is a =
very plaintive message. a cry of longing, desire, frustration, anger. =
"touch me i'm so beautiful, rub your hands...come with me, it's not =
worth it if you don't"  i think is obviously about longing to be loved. =
longing to be touched, to be held, caressed. not necessarily in any =
sexual sense. just to be touched.=20

to me the lines "trying to hold it like rain in a river, everything is =
getting bigger" is about feeling like i'm losing control. like things =
around (or inside me?) are getting out of hand..a feeling of being =
overwhelmed by circumstances or emotions.

i think one of things about this song is that, imho, it is one of those =
songs where the structure of the music itself lend a lot to the feeling =
and perhaps the meaning of the song. when i listen to the arrangement of =
the melody line, right from the beginning i feel uneasy. the music =
itself is filled with tension and discord. only to be somewhat released =
in the bridge, where the violins really kick in and the meter picks up =
and amy sings "jump jump jump so high"... to me this is the part where i =
am kinda let of the hook.. "if i stumble, i will stumble, if i fall i =
will fall" to me kinda says, well maybe things are getting out of hand, =
maybe i have made mistakes, but things are the way they are and i am =
only human... if i make mistakes, then i make mistakes.=20

"watch me let you down"..someone early mentioned that they thought this =
song might be a song about amy's family... interesting thought. i always =
relate this particular line to my own family and my feeling that somehow =
they feel i let them down... not graduating from  school (high s or =
college), not getting married and reproducing. not being a success =
career oriented man. or is it a message to a lover...

well, i guess that's all.

discussion on this song has been fantastic.=20

thanks for listening y'all

peace and love

dan perkins

"i don't believe in love no more
  for the one that i called home has gone"
                                --- gail lewis

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can someone please post if we need tickets for the show at piedmont park.
if so is there a chance they will sell out. i'm on the verge on leaving
indy for atlanta, but i need to know about tickets. please help!

derek

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subject:      the ep and more... legal?

i finally got my copy of the ep and more.  the sound is good, considering
the age of the recordings.  i am curious as to the source used to make it.
maybe the master tapes from when the ep was recorded?

what is the legality of this disk being sold?  this disk is obviously made
on recordable cd, probably on a nice home computer. about a year or so ago,
when a nice list member who will remain un-named, offered to make cd copies
of club r&r and shades of indigo.  he was heavily criticized on this list
for selling something made by ig, even though the originals were not
available for anyone to buy, and were heavily traded on tape. (even
considered "essential" to have for an ig fan,  or so the faq says)

the real kicker  is that the club r&r and shades disks were sold for less
than one-third what the ep and more is being sold for. a copy of each disk
cost $25, including postage.  the "manufacturer" of these disks told me
that a blank disk (tdk cd-r74b) costs less than $10.  this price has likely
decreased in the last year, as the recordable cd technology is becoming
more mainstream.  anyone else on the list with recordable cd could verify
this.

this means that the ep and more is being sold for at least a $20 profit,
for each disk.  my copy says that 140 copies have been issued so far.  you
can do your own math, but that is a lot of money being made by selling ig's
work.

pick up any computer users magazine and you will see that recordable cd is
becoming more mainstream.  a disk holds 640mb of data, or can hold 74
minutes of music.  within the next few years look for most people currently
trading dat recordings to switch to trading recorded cds.

there are a variety of situations that may have occurred in making the ep
and more available.  maybe a and e have an agreement with the store selling
it that they get a cut  (notice that the words indigo girls appear no where
on the disk or package)... maybe the person making these had to pay a large
sum to get the master tape of the ep... maybe they are recovering the
initial cost of buying the recordable cd equipment, and once paid for they
will start selling cd copies for cost.   it has been said that this disk
was made by "someone with a big heart".   regardless of the size of the
heart, the pocket is apparently big too.

it appears that there is a double standard on this list.  if anyone on the
list attempts to sell ig boot tapes, they are charred by the time the
flames are done.  even last year the list member making cd copies of club
and shades was criticized heavily.  heck, he may even still be making
copies today (big, big heart) if he had not been criticized so much back
then.    but it appears to be acceptable when the favorite record store of
many listmembers does the same thing, while charging 3 times as much.

really, think about it.  if i or another list member were to make their own
cd copies of the ep and more and sell them for even $25(not that i would)
we would be flamed hard.  this disk does not even have any notation of a
copy right, nor does it mention where or by who it was made.

there are many big hearts on this list.  just look at all of the people who
will make boot tapes for you for sending blanks and postage.  or paying for
the cost of a blank and postage.

i realize that this cd would not other wise be available if not for the
current manufacturer.  to them i am truely grateful, as i love this disk.
no where else have i fould never stop on disk, now i have 2 versions.  i
love it.  nor am i complaining about the price.  there is obviously a large
demand for this disk, and only one supply.  my complaint is that others are
profiting from the unauthorized production and sale (assumed) of ig's work.
(see possible scenarios above)

i do really like this disk, and will continue to purchase the next volume
when it is released, as much as i do not like others profiting from ig's
work.

comments, questions, flames welcome.   discussion is a good thing.

--derek

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date:         thu, 27 jun 1996 12:09:46 -0400
reply-to:     kmitchel@cs.utk.edu
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from:         "kevin j. mitchell" <kmitchel@cs.utk.edu>
subject:      power of two on soap opera

   does anyone know if an indigo girls song has ever appeared on a
soap opera?

   well it did yesterday!  my girlfriend and i were watching the soaps we
had recorded yesterday, 6/26.  they are days of our lives
and another world.  anyway, about half way through another world, john
and felicia (sp?) were in carlino's restaurant and playing in the back-
ground was "power of two".  john said to felicia, something to the effect
of, "this is a good song".  she said "yes it is", then they got up and
danced to this wonderful song.  then the song came out of the background
and was the only thing playing for a couple of seconds.  after that, "power
of two" continued to play in the background for another minute or two.

  you should have seen the smiles on our faces when it came on :)

kevin mitchell
kmitchel@cs.utk.edu

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date:         thu, 27 jun 1996 11:34:22 -0600
reply-to:     sunny <sun@swcp.com>
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from:         sunny <sun@swcp.com>
subject:      ig in minneapolis

hey y'all,

   a while ago there was some discussion about the ig playing minneapolis
in september.  ticketmaster probably still has no idea, as does the
northrop auditorium itself (612) 624-2345 when i called them a month ago.
     the people who do have and are selling tickets are ava special events
at (612) 673-9230  the catch is that you have to join ava, which is an
organization
developed to promote sweet honey in the rock.  it's like $55-60 to join if
you want to buy 2-4 tickets (memory a little sketchy).  and then you have
ticket prices on top of that.
     our ceiling fell in last night from all the rain we've had and i had
to vacuum the house before the landlord came over and this little piece of
folded paper got stuck in the vacuum and it was the phone numbers above. :)
i finally found them for all the people who've been asking! yay. things
happen for a reason. yeah.

                        --sunny

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date:         thu, 27 jun 1996 13:32:51 -0400
reply-to:     "kjarvis@atlas.lmi.org" <kjarvis@atlas.lmi.org>
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from:         "kjarvis@atlas.lmi.org" <kjarvis@atlas.lmi.org>
subject:      re: the ep and more... legal?

ep and more, legal?  i doubt it.  did we get ripped off?  it depends on =
what it's worth to you.  personally, i wouldn't have bought it if i had =
known it wasn't manufactured by one of the bootleg, ah i mean, "import" =
places perry usually buys from. =20

still, the biggest rip off of all time has to be michelle malone selling =
a $35 bootleg tape, that sounds like it was made on "my first sony.  =20

kris

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date:         thu, 27 jun 1996 14:02:41 -0400
reply-to:     indigopony@aol.com
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from:         indigopony@aol.com
subject:      help!  messages times 3! (nigc)

okay, so it's not three hits, but it _is_ three messages (hmm...new song
title?  nah...=)  my ophelia message was sent to the list 3 times, and i only
sent it _once_!  does anyone know why this is happening?  please help!  i
hope _this_ message doesn't get to y'all three times, too...sorry if it does,
and sorry about the
nigc, but i don't know if it is the wonderful netspace people (?people?) or
my mailer
or what...also, with every piece of mail i send to the list, i always get a
"delivery
error notification".  why???  "there's more than one answer to these
questions..."

peace, love, and distracted musings,
ponygirl

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date:         thu, 27 jun 1996 15:05:39 -0400
reply-to:     capistran amy l <alcapi@mail.wm.edu>
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from:         capistran amy l <alcapi@mail.wm.edu>
subject:      re: yet more tmf/ ep
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        first off, i have to say that tuesdayays child(your name makes me
laugh by the way because a local news station does wednsedays child where
they profile emotionally troubled and mentaly challenged children who
need to be adopted) anyway, this is the best interp. of tmf i have ever
heard, thanks.
        secondly can someone send me info either on where to buy ep and
more or if anyone is willing to trade a tape that would be cool too.  i
would just really like to hear this album.
        finally to all of you going to pride this weekend, i'm insanely
jealous but have fun anyway.
                                                                amy

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reply-to:     karey weisman eals <karey@u.washington.edu>
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from:         karey weisman eals <karey@u.washington.edu>
subject:      re: tmf
x-to:         strangefire <mccranie@ewirb-wr.robins.af.mil>
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on wed, 26 jun 1996, strangefire wrote:

> new concept: *putting thinking cap on*
>
> tmf is about sex.
dude, isn't everything about sex ;)

love,
karey <--wearing her new girls rule baseball cap :) :) :)

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subject:      re: the ep and more... legal?
x-to:         "derek l. duncan" <104250.2055@compuserve.com>
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hi derek... i have only been on the list for 7 months so i missed the
flames over the guy who was offering to sell cd dupes of shades of
indigo/club r&r. personally, if i were around, i would have supported his
efforts to do so. *shrug* it's not like the guy was selling dupes of swamp
ophelia, jeez. why should anyone care? were people getting all uptight
about the *original* bootleggers making all the money? bootleggers who
usually can't even get the names of the songs right? *grin* i am going to
guess that people were just ticked off that they paid $55 for something
that others would only pay $25 for (or whatever).

warning, major whining going on here below :p

i also ordered the ep & more cd and i have so far made about 6 copies for
people on the list (at no charge of course). i was disappointed in a few
things: the actual cost of the cd, the packaging of the cd, and the
shipping cost (which was just too much, i mean really). i knew the cost
going in, so i'm not upset about that. just disappointed they charged so
much. it did make me laugh though when someone said they have a big heart
. . . to sell us the cd for nearly $40 (ppd).

but the thing that annoyed me most was the packaging. they didn't even put
a sticky paper label on the actual cd (which would have cost what, 5 cents
max?). i do have a background in graphic design so maybe i am being snotty
here (haha) but i could have whipped up a killer cover design on my mac
and laser printer in about 3 hours. when i have time i am actually going
to do this, so if anyone wants copies of what i do (to insert into their
own cds) just email me and i'll let you know when i'm done with it. :) for
those of you who haven't seen the cd cover, it's all text and printed on a
non-laser printer. very cheap looking. i can understand why they didn't
want to use pics of either amy or emily but they could have used
*something* to make it look nice. duuh. ;)

hehe boy am i in some weird mood here, i blame it on the weather. ;)
having said all that, i am really happy to have the cd and actually listen
to it a lot (even when i'm not duping it for trade). so the content is not
what i'm all bitchy about, just the lame-o packaging. and the sound *is*
excellent.

according to an early post about the ep & more, they are only going to
press 200 copies this summer. so that might have something to do with the
higher sticker price. they could make a lot more money if they sold it for
$25 indefinitely. i guess they wanted a little collector's item type thing
though with the ep & more. personally i would rather they just sold it for
$25 on an unlimited run but oh well. :)

kristina

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from:         michael madin <madin@u.washington.edu>
subject:      re: the ep and more... legal?
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on thu, 27 jun 1996, derek l. duncan wrote:

>
> what is the legality of this disk being sold?
>
> really, think about it.  if i or another list member were to make their own
> cd copies of the ep and more and sell them for even $25(not that i would)
> we would be flamed hard.  this disk does not even have any notation of a
> copy right, nor does it mention where or by who it was made.
>
> there are many big hearts on this list.  just look at all of the people who
> will make boot tapes for you for sending blanks and postage.  or paying for
> the cost of a blank and postage.
>

   actually the copying and distribution of copyrighted material is by
   itself a violation. for some musicians it is the poor quality of the
   recordings that upsets them more than the loss of income (well at least
   that's what they say). according to the copyright police whether one
   copies boots for trade or for profit it really makes no difference.
   the only time it matters is in the penalty phase.


hard at work in the uw law library, mike.

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reply-to:     andrade <andrade@az.com>
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from:         andrade <andrade@az.com>
subject:      conflicting messages

i just realized some people might remember that i posted last week about
not charging for duping bootleg tapes... and then i just post a note
saying i wouldn't care if someone sold booted boot cds. i can see why that
might be confusing :) i could go on and on explaining why i feel this way
but it comes down to one thing: i'd rather pay money for a cd than a tape.

but it is interesting that i would be really annoyed if someone posted to
the list: for sale, shades of indigo $10 on maxell type ii tape... but i
wouldn't be bothered if someone posted an ad for shades of indigo $20 on
cd. weird eh? go figure...

kristina

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date:         thu, 27 jun 1996 17:58:15 edt
reply-to:     bertin lefkovic <indigboy@eden.rutgers.edu>
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from:         bertin lefkovic <indigboy@eden.rutgers.edu>
subject:      fan tour update 6/27/96

i have been able to get an extension on my group reservation at the best
western in newport.  the new due date is july 5, 1996.  if you are interested
in getting a room or a space in a room, i need to receive your money by then.

cost:

friday/saturday - $160 per room/$40 per person per night

sunday          - $120 per room/$40 per person per night

send money to:

bertin lefkovic
13 besler avenue
cranford, nj  07016
(908)418-7115

call or e-mail me if you need any additional information


there are no strangers here - only friends you haven't met yet

let it grow

bert


ps - i need to correct the above due date.  because the response has been so
mediocre, i have been able to get another extension on the due date.  the
final, absolute due date is friday, july 15th.  if you have already sent your
money, don't worry.  this will not be cancelled if there is not a large
enough response.  we had over 10 rooms filled at the new orleans jazz
festival.  i will be very disappointed if we don't get at least that many for
the newport folk festival.  i look forward to hearing from y'all.  have a
nice day.

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subject:      re: questions questions questions (answers anyone?)

at 06:02 pm 6/26/96 edt, you wrote:
>        final question. did anyone bootleg the lehigh u/stabler arena show
>        from 4/27/95? if so i would trade my first and third born children
>        (just kidding but i have 6 or so boots to trade) for it.


oooohhh me too!!! my best friend went and i couldnt go(even though i live
like 10 mins from it--maybe less) and she said it was really awesome,
including a 1/2 hour long solo in the middle of chickenman i believe. i
would give my right arm for it if anyone has it...(well, not literally...)
lemme know!!! thanx.

tiff

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reply-to:     tiffany <slugger@prolog.net>
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subject:      re: tmf

at 08:06 pm 6/26/96 -0400, you wrote:
>well, here goes my thoughts on tmf.
>
>at its most basic, visceral level, tmf always taps into that part of me that
>needs to be seen as beautiful.  it isn't really that one person needs to be
>attracted to me (although that would be nice too :))  but more that i am
>perceived by people in general as goodlooking.   it is the need to be
>accepted on the most basic, physical level.
>
>where does ar or tmf say that?  well, they don't exactly, but they do say,
>"all the sounds i've missed all these years, have come down to weddings,
>deaths and fears."  are those "sounds"  the sounds of celebration that us
>that traditionally accompany these events?  events that you must be beautiful
>and loved to partake in (except, of course, fear).
>
>"all i've heard has been in vain, like water on a stain."  no matter how many
>times she has heard things to the contrary -- no matter how many people
>admire her and tell her she is beautiful -- she still sees herself is unfit
>for love.  as she says, these comments are as feeble as trying to remove
>stains with plain water.
>
>the whole "touch me, i'm so beautiful" chorus is her wishing that if someone
>did those things, it would make her feel beautiful.  sort of like the thought
>that if i get a date with joe or jane popular, it will make me popular too.
> but the person knows that it will never work.
>
>swamp ophelia is a shakesperian reference to his charcter in (i forget at the
>moment), but as all good shakespeare characters, i believe she dies unloved,
>by committing suicide:
>
>"let your waters, let me drown..."  "are you crying, i am crying."  to me,
>that is what the song is doing, crying.  this person is alone, isolated by
>how they believe they are perceived by others.
>
>that what it says to me.  i think it is perfectly clear, but then again, i
>don't have my glasses on.  does anyone else feel this way?  can anyone else
>at least see what i am getting at?
>
>thanks for your time and thoughts...
>
>kevin s. minoli

dat was butiful man... well said. i agree. best one i've heard yet. (hair
wasnt a bad idea either... :)

tiff

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from:         tiffany <slugger@prolog.net>
subject:      re: fw: yet more tmf

wow!! this is definitely the best one yet! i can totally relate, right on
the money!! wow... talk about deep... :o)

tiff(who is posting like mad today<--my first free computer time in weeks!)


at 09:20 am 6/27/96 -0500, you wrote:
>>you know the more i listen to tmf, the more i think that trying to
>>analyze it is the wrong way to go about understanding the song.
>
>(snip)
>
>> what explodes, why it explodes, how it explodes -- just don't know.
>>but somehow i know i can relate.
>
>                                -- chris
>
>chris,
>
>cool. i thought i was the only one. i, too, can't really figure
>out what this song means, nor even what it means to me. but somewhere deep
in the recesses of my soul, the song touches an emotional chord.
>
>ok having said that, let me try to decipher what this song means to me, at
least what it means to me right this moment.
>
>i love the passion and changing emotions of this song. to me it is
alternately sad and angry. somewhere underneath it all i feel it is a very
plaintive message. a cry of longing, desire, frustration, anger. "touch me
i'm so beautiful, rub your hands...come with me, it's not worth it if you
don't"  i think is obviously about longing to be loved. longing to be
touched, to be held, caressed. not necessarily in any sexual sense. just to
be touched.
>
>to me the lines "trying to hold it like rain in a river, everything is
getting bigger" is about feeling like i'm losing control. like things around
(or inside me?) are getting out of hand..a feeling of being overwhelmed by
circumstances or emotions.
>
>i think one of things about this song is that, imho, it is one of those
songs where the structure of the music itself lend a lot to the feeling and
perhaps the meaning of the song. when i listen to the arrangement of the
melody line, right from the beginning i feel uneasy. the music itself is
filled with tension and discord. only to be somewhat released in the bridge,
where the violins really kick in and the meter picks up and amy sings "jump
jump jump so high"... to me this is the part where i am kinda let of the
hook.. "if i stumble, i will stumble, if i fall i will fall" to me kinda
says, well maybe things are getting out of hand, maybe i have made mistakes,
but things are the way they are and i am only human... if i make mistakes,
then i make mistakes.
>
>"watch me let you down"..someone early mentioned that they thought this
song might be a song about amy's family... interesting thought. i always
relate this particular line to my own family and my feeling that somehow
they feel i let them down... not graduating from  school (high s or
college), not getting married and reproducing. not being a success career
oriented man. or is it a message to a lover...
>
>well, i guess that's all.
>
>discussion on this song has been fantastic.
>
>thanks for listening y'all
>
>peace and love
>
>dan perkins
>
>"i don't believe in love no more
>  for the one that i called home has gone"
>                                --- gail lewis
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from:         jones <jdjones@earthlink.net>
subject:      peace at last! (nigc)

to all of the list members who suggested i give sarah mclaclhan a listen:

thank you!  thank you!  thank you!  thank you!  thank you!  thank you!
thank you!

i'm really enjoying her music.  but even more important, my 15 year old
daughter loves her! i haven't had to listen to rap in days. life is good!

hugs from a thankful mom,
deb

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subject:      need ride to newport...

hello all...

i am finished with school until the fall, and due to the fact that i
worked my butt off, i made the dean's list.  i want to treat myself by
seeing ig after 8 years of listening, but i don't have any way to get to
newport.  i go to grand valley state in grand rapids mi, and was
wondering if anyone was road tripping from the area.  i am willing to
take a train to chicago to meet someone if i could get a ride.

thanks a ton...

love
aim

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date:         thu, 27 jun 1996 19:51:57 -0400
reply-to:     ncrobino@aol.com
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         ncrobino@aol.com
subject:      1996 shirt orders in as of 6/26/96!!!!
x-to:         indigo@clark.net, lwarren531@aol.com, scady@umich.edu,
              poohgrl816@aol.com, aneeza@cse.fau.edu

orders in as of 6/26/96!!!
thanks all!


deadline is july 9th!  no exceptions can be made, so please hurry!

thanks everyone!

amy mednick 1 xxl
jeni saulino 1 xl
laura rice 1 xl
steven reynolds 1 xl
kirsten chevalier 1 xl
greg flamer 1 xl
lisa savu 1 xl
gwen drueger 1 l
randy rohrer 2 xxl
brian harvey 1 xl
camille kearl 2 xxl 1xl
connie tsuchiya 1 l
joan ferguson 1 xl
kristina - 1 xxl
derek moulaison 1 xl
diane krause 1 xl
craig haskins 1 xl 1 xxl
jen holt 1 xl
sharon james 1 xl
whit kuhn 1 xl
lisa winters 1 l
daniel tsang 1 l
sherlyn koo 1 l
sandy robinette 1 xl
sarah street 1 xl
trant batey 1 xl
rob augino 1 xl
maren mitchell 1 xl
dana carlson 1 xl
deb hanrahan 1 xl 1 xxl
sunny bueck 1 xl
marilyn macvey 1 xl
r.sefton smith 1 xxl
sheri yamada 1 xl 1 xxl
stacy sheperson 1 xl
corinne simpson 1 xl
cyndi johnson 1 xl 2 xxl
pooh 1 xxl
derek duncan 1 xl
gwen keyt 1 xl
rose culbreth 1 xxl
mary kushman 1 xl
rena shear 1 xl
howard barlow 2 xl
deb o'donoghue 2 l
ann labeck 1 xxl
donna schwartz 1 l
chris becker 2 xl
stacy waterworth 1 xl
deanna newcomb 2 xl
kat kohara 1 xl
chris antolini 1 xl
tiffany hein 2 xl
karen robinson 1 xxl
julie goldman 1 xl
cynthia crecca 1 l
karen harper 1 l
rebecca mctail 1 xl (rebecca, get in touch with me.)
please hurry!  get your orders in!  the absolute deadline
is the 9th of july!
thanks everyone for your support!
take care
rob
http://members.aol.com/ncrobino/igshirt.htm

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date:         thu, 27 jun 1996 20:07:44 -0400
reply-to:     michael reynolds <asl@gandalf.umcs.maine.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         michael reynolds <asl@gandalf.umcs.maine.edu>
subject:      retarded and it's use..nigc
x-to:         pegasus@crl.com
in-reply-to:  <pine.sun.3.91.960625095550.4229a-100000@crl.crl.com> from "amy
              j. putnam" at jun 25, 96 10:01:54 am

i think the proper terminology varies on who you ask. i do not find mentally
retarded offensive because it is a medical diagnosis and if you are in the
field, you need to know what problems a person may be faced with.
i also know that "person first" (eg. person with cerebral palsy, person with
mental retardation, person who is an insane indigo girls freak) is used in
the professional community, like at conferences and in classes dealing woth
the disabled in special education. it is meant to accent the person and not
the person's diagnosis. the first day i was in a intro level class, the
teacher brought out a news article on the protest of jerry lewis and the mda
and asked for comments about what was wrong... i knew i could have gone on
about the oppression telethons cause.
she said the article should have referred to "disabled activists" as
"activists with physical disabilities". i did laugh out loud, it made
absolutely no sense and it seemed too politically correct.
i also know in some circles the term "crip" is very well accepted. nbc
dateline correspondent john hockenberry uses it freely (and yes i do think
he is a awfully *great* writer, actor, journalist, ect.) he will have a show
on msnbc so that should be cool. (did i mention i have his business card and
he *loves* to chat on the phone and does reply to email...)
check out moving violations, which is just out in paperback..you will love
it.
about the only term i *hate* is physically challenged....that is like the
worst term ever concocted.


i gotta go figure out how to take out my film in my canon ae1

peace

mike r.

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date:         thu, 27 jun 1996 20:29:06 -0400
reply-to:     aja <jgold16@emory.edu>
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from:         aja <jgold16@emory.edu>
subject:      pride! (igc only in the fact that they'll be there)
x-cc:         sarah wiegman <sanawike1@aol.com>

okay, y'all! we need to get organized! if you are going to pride and you
want to meet up, write to me at jgold16@emory.edu or to sarah at
sanawike1@aol.com  and give us suggestions as to where we should meet,
etc.
   if you're going to pride, i would suggest taking marta (atlanta's
rapid transit system) to the arts center station downtown, unless you'll
already be downtown. this weekend pride is occuring alongside a jewish
conference and an african-american conference, i believe. so don't expect
to find parking very easily.
   anyway, if we do indeed want to meet up, we
need to make some decisions. put on your thinking caps (even if they're
in their summer mode) and write to sarah or me, okay? one of us will post
a message regarding when and where, as soon as we figure it out. unless
someone else would rather take charge. ah, the beauty of democracy and
indecision...
                                        julie

o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o

        "the camaraderie and warmth between us
         breached places within me that had been
         closed off and permanently sealed"
                                -audre lorde

o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o

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date:         thu, 27 jun 1996 17:33:51 -0700
reply-to:     karey weisman eals <karey@u.washington.edu>
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from:         karey weisman eals <karey@u.washington.edu>
subject:      nigc late strange fruit addendum

from ambrose bierce's _the devil's dictionary_
(and please remember it was published in 1911):

tree, n.  a tall vegetable intended by nature to serve as a penal
apparatus, though through a miscarriage of justice most trees bear only a
negligible fruit, or none at all.  when naturally fruited, the tree is a
beneficent agency of civilization and an important factor in public
morals.  in the stern west and the sensitive south its fruit (white and
black respectively) though not eaten, is agreeable to the public taste
and, though not exported, profitable to the general welfare.  that the
legitimate relation of the tree to justice was no discovery of judge lyncy
(who, indeed, conceded it no primacy over the lamp-post and the
bridge-girder) is made plain by the following passage from morryster, who
antedated him by two centuries:

  while in yt londe i was carryed to see ye ghogo tree, whereof i had
hearde moch talk; but sayynge yt i saw naught remarkabyll in in, ye hed
manne of ye villayge where it grewe made answer as followeth:
  "ye tree is not nowe in fruite, but in his seasonne you shall see
dependynge fr. his braunches all soch as have affroynted ye king he
majesty."
  and i was furder tolde yt ye worde "ghogo" sygnifyeth in yr tong ye same
as "rapscal" in our owne.
                                        --trauvells in ye easte


this proud lesson in american history is brought to you by jesse helms,
who reminds his constituents that sears is having a white sale.

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from:         karey weisman eals <karey@u.washington.edu>
subject:      tmf, some whining, and a computer question

earlier today i was reading the great tmf discussion (especially liked
dan's and kevin's posts), and i was so happy about how wonderful y'all
are that i started to run to class (also i was late).  and then i did a
spectacular belly-flop, complete with heavy backpack.  scraped my elbows
and knees.... so anyway, this popped into my head as i was lying on
the bricks trying to catch my breath: y'all touched me, and i fell.  so i
started laughing like crazy.  i'm sure people were somewhat puzzled, but
hey, no more so than people who overhear us guffawing in the computer
center over stuff that makes no sense to anyone but us listees.

now for the whining:

the girls are coming to bumbershoot.  i'm not coming to bumbershoot.
waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!
sucks, huh.  they decided to come to my city, and i can't even freaking be
here.  see, i'm going to visit my family in maryland from mid-august (when
school lets out) to the end of september (when it starts again).  when
planning this trip i had just said *sigh*, i'll miss ani.  but i've seen
her twice in the last 6 months, so it's ok.  and i want to spend time with
my sister, mom, etc.  so everything was going fine until somebody posted
that the girls would be at bumbershoot.  i then frantically emailed my
mom, begging to cut my visit short for the fist two weeks.  her server was
not working, so the next time i talked to her was tuesday.  she was calm
by then. ;)  i was all ready to fight, negotiate, be as stubborn as it
took to get her to see _reason_, but she said, have you considered that
you'll miss hannah's (my wunnerful sis) time out of school?  and then she
just said, here, talk to hannah.  she may as well have said, here, talk to
my uzi.  it was the perfect guilt trip!  so from the gaping hole left in
the ground where i had been, the smoke curled up and said, ok, never mind,
i'll miss the dang concert, family is of course more important.

  now, i know that's true.  and my sister will never be on the verge of
seventh grade again; i'm missing enough of her youth already.  and i'm
lucky to be able to travel at all.  and the girls *will* tour again.  but
$%&#@$!!!!!!!!  you know??  it feels so unfair.  and i would've loved to
meet alla youse cool people who're gonna be there.  i wouldn't have minded
a bit waiting in line all day with y'all.

  it's been a couple days now (i've been kept away from the computer
for very short times between things; believe me i wanted to get right on
the computer and cry to y'all!) so i'm a little more resolved.  but i knew
y'all were the people who'd give me some real sympathy.  so thanks for
listening.

which brings me to my question:  i'm going to be at my mom's house for 5
weeks later this summer, and she's been trying various servers.  she tried
aol, and of course it was lousy, and now she's on nicom.com, but it's been
acting up.  so i was wondering if any of you really love your servers,
since i'll need to get my ig fix somehow while i'm there.

thanks,
love,
karey

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reply-to:     kellie deis <kdeis@phoenix.kent.edu>
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from:         kellie deis <kdeis@phoenix.kent.edu>
subject:      tmf, bootlegs,galileo

howdy all!
        i must say that the hair interperetation of tmf was really
classic. i will laugh a little every time i hear it now. seriously, i
am not sure what interp i think is right. parents, sex, it's all
possible.
        anyways, i am willing to send blanks, postage, etc to get some
bootlegs. i am sorry to say that i have none with witch to trade, you
will just have to have a heart and take my money.=) seriously, let me
know.
        off the subject of tmf and on to galileo, do you think that
the song is seriously about reincarnation or are ig just being
sarcastic? i used to think it was serious, but now i am not so
sure. whatcha thunk?
        oh-and for all of you going to atlanta and elsewhere to see
ig, have a wonderful time, and think of me back in ohio being jealous
of you. seriously, have a great time and let us know all about it!
        until later,
                kellie
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the opposite of lonliness is not togetherness, it is intimacy.
if you don't make dust, you eat it.

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date:         thu, 27 jun 1996 21:45:03 -0400
reply-to:     amy staples <astaples@email.unc.edu>
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from:         amy staples <astaples@email.unc.edu>
subject:      re: retarded and it's use..nigc
x-to:         michael reynolds <asl@gandalf.umcs.maine.edu>
in-reply-to:  <9606280007.aa17925@gandalf.umcs.maine.edu>

i'm in the field of disabilities, literacy and disabilities to be
specific, and have done lots of national and international
presentations.  it is not just in the academic community that people use
person first language.  there are few things in the world more offensive
to me than referring to someone as their diagnosis.  he's autistic or
retarded totally ignores the person.  people are no more defined by their
disability than by their color, height, or sexual orientation.  there is
great individuality within each of these categories.  saying children
with autism or people with disabilities is fine.  you don't need to sugar
coat things, just place them in the correct order.

ok, off the soapbox and back into the wings.

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date:         fri, 28 jun 1996 13:53:02 +1000
reply-to:     sherlyn koo <sherlyn@fl.net.au>
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from:         sherlyn koo <sherlyn@fl.net.au>
subject:      shot in the dark, pt ii (nigc)

hi folks,

just wondering if anybody is gonna be driving to the newport folk
fest from atlanta, and if so, if they could offer me a ride back to
atlanta after?

i'm just tossing around a few options - i still haven't figured out my travel
plans for sure, but i think if there's any way i could say money on airfares
or whatever it'd be good. :)

cheers all,
sherlyn
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-   sherlyn koo - sherlyn@fl.net.au   -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
"hearts are worth the mending, though they heal up slowly;
   every beat hits soft and low.
comes a time when all the pain and hurt is ending,
   and your heart gets up to go..."   - patty larkin, 'i'm  fine'
=-=-=-   [please note that i will be away from 10/7/96 until 1/9/96.]  -=-=-=

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