lifeblood: listlogs: 1996-08c

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date:         tue, 13 aug 1996 21:07:59 -0700
reply-to:     "susan m. anderson" <sanderso@direct.ca>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "susan m. anderson" <sanderso@direct.ca>
subject:      vancouver bc to seattle concert?

        hi!  it's been far too long since i've been on, i missed you all!
        i noticed in alt.music.indigo-girls that there is a ig concert
sceduled for aug. 31 at the memorial arena in seattle...  this is a plea to
any ig lovers in the lower mainland who are considering attending the show.
i require a ride to the concert, and am willing to pay a portion of the cost
incurred, including a hotel room if you/we chose to stay the night.  that
is, if the concert's not sold out???
        please reply to sanderso@direct.ca if you can help!  thanks in
advance...

peace,

susan

needless to say, it was all pretty amazing. not quite as special as being
invited up on stage (congrats linda/lisa?, you were terrific!), but just as
special for me. it was especially nice because while i was in atlanta for the
olympics a few weeks ago, we made a pilgrimage to eddie's attic for dinner,
but i couldn't get in because i was three weeks shy of my 21st birthday.

ahh yes, i too was on a pilgrimage to ig land!! i also had tickets to usa
olympic women's soccer (semis, finals, the works!), and while i was in the
neighborhood, i tried to soak in as much indigo girl spirit as possible!!!
yup, stayed in athens (fishbowl margaritas at the (new) uptown lounge), and
made a stop in decatur to finally visit the infamous eddies attic. to my
dismay, we rolled into town at 1:30 pm, a mere hour and a half before it
opened so i couldn't go inside......(very bummed and pouty). but, i took
some pictures of the place from the outside and made a vow to return someday!!
so, any of you who have been inside....is it worth the trip from tacoma, wa ????
it's nice to be home after the olympic experience...i got to go to the post
game party with the national team (soccer)....i could go on, and on...(i won't!)
and now, bumbershoot!!!! yessss!! we are fortunate ones....truly!!!!
(this list is awesome even though i admit to lurking far too much!!)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
stacy waterworth
usa women's soccer supporter

   "this is the team, now is the time!"--cmh
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   /\_/ \               /  \
  |_/ \__|              \  /
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   \/_\_/                gm
wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

sorry to waste everyone's bandwidth with that last message! my mistake, and
apologies to everyone...

anna

donna you around my friend sent u tapes for the booots you made for me to
and she hasnt reecieved any thing from u i wrote you and asked u if you
got the tapes from her and u never wrote me back her name is mia bleosdale
i think i spelt the last name wrong she is in athens please let me know
where teh tapes stand

there's been a lot of discussion as to the significance of the date 1694
in the song "shame on you." i too, pondered this question. then it occurred
to me that sixteen ninety four might have been the closest date amy could
find to rhyme with "car"...

joan :) (who sometimes can't see the forest for the trees)(g)

1694....

i think she just pulled it out of the hat because it
rhymes better with "car" than say....1697 or..1691
or 1673..

colonization...invasion.....same difference ;)

binkles

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date:         tue, 13 aug 1996 21:51:49 -0700
reply-to:     gwen keyt <gkeyt@paul.spu.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         gwen keyt <gkeyt@paul.spu.edu>
subject:      re: who does the ig cover
x-to:         "christopher d. payne" <owen4@adnc.com>
in-reply-to:  <3210b0f1.4fcf@adnc.com>

i'm guessing it was superchunk. they do a cover of ctf, very thrash.

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"mother is the name for god in the hearts and the minds of all
children."--eric draven, the crow

******gwen keyt******
seattle pacific university
bsn class of 1997
gkeyt@paul.spu.edu

on tue, 13 aug 1996, christopher d. payne wrote:

> i turned on 95.7 fm in san diego today, and heard a band (or solo
> artist) doing a cover of "closer to fine". it was aweful! no harmonies,
> just the echo line in "the less i seek" line. the guitars were fairly
> true, but the guy didn't have the voice for it.
>
> my question is.... anyone one know who this was?
>
> chris payne owen4@adnc.com
> --
>
>        "im looking for someone who can take as much as i give...
>             ...and to give as much as i need."
>
>                                    ig
>
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just a thought... the thing about the boat brought it up... anything
important in relation to slavery happen roundabouts then?

alec

i saw the girls perform in kissimee at the tupperware.  i was oh so fortunate
to get to stand in the wings of the stage while they did their thing.  there
were lots of guitars in stands, one of which was amy's black martin.  i kind
of strolled over and just stroked the neck of the martin.  my friend said.
"robin! don't do that!"  i said, "billy...i have to!"
certainly a night i'll never forget!!!!!
~~robin
(who still hasn't washed the fingers that touched the martin!)

remember that thread about indigo swirls?  well, i made some
tonight...it's pretty tasty.  i went with granola instead of grape nuts;
it just sounded a little more strawberry meets red beans and rice than the
nuts did.  when i got it in the ice cream maker i discovered that it was
more lavender than indigo, and alas i had no blue food coloring...so my
solution?  blue curacao...mmmmmm.  here's the recipe for you
devotees...lessee if ben and jerry catch on....

2 eggs
2 c. cream
1 c. sugar
1 3/4 c. milk
2 tsp vanilla
1/4 c. blackberry jelly
1/4 c. blueberries
1/4 c. granola

make the blackberry jelly first, if you've got blackberries coming out the
ying yang like we in the northwest do this time of year.  beat the eggs
with the sugar til it looks like cream; add the milk, cream and vanilla,
and a few tablespoons of jelly.  put in ice cream maker; midway through
the freezing process, add the rest of the jelly, the granola and the
blueberries.  add a few tablespoons of blue curacao or some blue food
coloring if you need the indigo-ness intensified.  the alcohol will lower
the freezing point, so be judicious.

i think the girls would approve. i used all organic stuff ('cept maybe
the granola) aincluding free-range chickens. it's yummy.

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"mother is the name for god in the hearts and the minds of all
children."--eric draven, the crow

******gwen keyt******
seattle pacific university
bsn class of 1997
gkeyt@paul.spu.edu

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date:         wed, 14 aug 1996 01:33:27 -0700
reply-to:     gwen keyt <gkeyt@paul.spu.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         gwen keyt <gkeyt@paul.spu.edu>
subject:      re: blue food!
in-reply-to:  <pine.osf.3.94.960813232738.19620a-100000@paul.spu.edu>

maybe i added a little more liqueur to the ice cream than i htought.  what
i meant to add was (1) put the granola in a plastic bag and roll it with a
rolling pin first to get the chunks smaller, and more importantly, (2)
i used free range chicken eggs, not chickens!!!  ach der lieber zeit!
it's bad enough with all this dairy, but a vegetarian making ice cream
with chicken?!?  sorry y'all for the slip ups.  stop laughing at me!
tracy, i can hear you and your chop-lickin'-hoardes all the way over here!
:p  sorry for wasting the bandwidth....gwen

>
> i think the girls would approve.  i used all organic stuff ('cept maybe
> the granola) aincluding free-range chickens.  it's yummy.
>
> *************************************************************************
> "mother is the name for god in the hearts and the minds of all
> children."--eric draven, the crow
>
> ******gwen keyt******
> seattle pacific university
> bsn class of 1997
> gkeyt@paul.spu.edu
>
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date:         tue, 13 aug 1996 13:39:45 est
reply-to:     "paul j. sgroi" <paul_j._sgroi@ccmail.c-tec.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "paul j. sgroi" <paul_j._sgroi@ccmail.c-tec.com>
subject:      re: ig words of wisdom...
x-to:         mary kushman <ugkushma@ecuvm.cis.ecu.edu>

in response to mary's request to tell about ig inspiring lyrics,
i have to pick the wood song:

              "but the wood is tired, and the wood is old
              "and we'll make it fine, if the weather holds
              "but if the weather holds, we'll have missed the point
              "that's where i need to go...

okay, for me, this is about dealing with un-resolved issues:

     if i try to avoid a problem-by manipulating the situation-so it
                   doesn't happen, this let's me get away with it, one more
                   time (missed the point, or denial!)

     but, if the problem is 'out-in-the-open' for me(weather not holding, or
                    awareness) i can try to deal with it by going back to
                   understand where that fear came from (need to go, or
                   acceptance!) and hopefully conquer it!!!

anyway, that's what that chorus says to me!

...paul

looks like we're going to have an extra ticket for the show tonight. =
we'll be leaving in a few to head up there, so please do not respond to =
me via e-mail, because i won't be checking it again today.

we should be over at the venue around 5-5:30pm and have to pick the =
tickets up at the box office when it opens. if anyone is interested in =
purchasing this ticket, just leave me a voicemail at (703) 585-3505 and =
i will be checking it periodically throughout the day. if possible, =
leave a number i can give you a call back at so we can set something up. =
if i can't call you back, try to leave me enough info so that we can =
pick you out of the crowd or just look for 3 people desperately trying =
to sell 1 ticket outside of the show. :)

thanks-
deanna

on tue, 13 aug 1996, keates, harry wrote:

> i think this is a good point. i don't think that the use of the la la
> la's and the catchyness of the tune would be questioned as much if it was
> an emily song.

and *that* was exactly the point! emily does la la's and na na's. amy
does heart-wrenching, angry, or just perplexing. :)

it was never a question of commercialism. in that regard, i have more respect
for ig than any other artist (okay, maybe tied with ani).

> maybe the chance taking on the new album is that they are switching
> songwriting styles.

i agree with that assessment to some degree.  but none of the songs were the
hard-hitting amy songs i've always preferred.  by that, i don't necessarily
mean rockers... it's more the passion that's lacking, the passion of songs
like "blood and fire," "romeo and juliet," "three hits," "touch me fall" or
even "welcome me" or "joking."  they're good tunes, but not tunes that can
leave me breathless, as amy's songs, emily's guitar solos, and their harmonies
have done in the past!

--
deb \\ indigo@clark.net \\ http://www.clark.net/pub/indigo

i have one ticket for tonights show since my friend bailed out on me.
if interested call 718 266-6752 and leave a message. i will be home
after 3pm.

vicky

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date:         wed, 14 aug 1996 09:24:42 -0400
reply-to:     wenny da pooh <tool5600@kutztown.edu>
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from:         wenny da pooh <tool5600@kutztown.edu>
subject:      re: philly info
x-to:         "deanna k. newcomb" <deanna@nicom.com>
in-reply-to:  <01bb8949.d467a200@pc128-192.lmi.org>

from what my boyfriend tells me, who has been there numerous times, the
electric factory is a club.  yes it is a pretty good section of philly,
it's not right in the city, it' sjust outside.  when there is shows,
hotels sometimes fill up pretty fast, but you may still be okay.  i
haven't heard too much about many people from the list going to the
philly show, are there?  are we meeting there anywhere?? anyone?? only
one more day!!
joy, peace and eagerly waiting for tomorrow,
wen

on tue, 13 aug 1996, deanna k. newcomb wrote:

> hello all! well, after an awesome weekend in newport, i need some info regarding philly. i'll be going to the show at the electric factory and was wondering if anyone knew anything about that area of town? is it a decent area of town and are there any hotels near the club and stuff like that?
>
> any info anyone could provide will be appreciated. :)
>
> thanks-
> deanna
>
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on tue, 13 aug 1996 wendyp@psc.plymouth.edu wrote:

> our reaction to ani was tainted by the "adolescents with attitudes"
> who tromped all over to rush the stage, kids who had not gotten good spots in
> the morning but who felt they were entitled to block the view of those who had
> (i'm young enough to be running down roads with lawn chairs at 6:15, but old
> enought to wonder what happened to manners and civility). i just didn't

> and a contrast...the kids who came crashing up from the back
> through the crowd for ig were very different from the ani kids...less
> confrontational, more apologetic, enthusiasm without hostile attitude. again,
> i just didn't get saturday...

i'm sorry, but imo, rude is rude. and moving in front of people who got to
the park many hours before you to reserve those spots, and forcing them to
pack up their shit and move lest they end up behind a crowd of people, is
rude. that was definitely the sour note in my newport experience.

--
deb \\ indigo@clark.net \\ http://www.clark.net/pub/indigo

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date:         wed, 14 aug 1996 09:12:22 cdt
reply-to:     jennifer hall
              <jennifer=hall%ts=deskcall%cs=hou@bangate.compaq.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         jennifer hall
              <jennifer=hall%ts=deskcall%cs=hou@bangate.compaq.com>
subject:      fwd: signs you are too drunk
x-to:         mary.j.quady@norwest.com, chuckhall@juno.com,
              dperkins@coa1.ci.austin.tx.us, dreleen@juno.com,
              mark.meyer@norwest.com

something to make you laugh....

- jen hall
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original text
from doug walsh@ts deskcall@cs hou, on 8/14/96 8:44 am:
to: jennifer hall@ts deskcall@cs hou

douglas
dwalsh@bangate.compaq.com
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from s i rhodes <sirhodes@infoave.net>, on 8/13/96 9:50 pm:
to: "adam menkes" <almworld@msn.com>, "douglas" <dwalsh@bangate.compaq.com>,
"kenneth illingsworth" <killings@lcp.com>, <kbrothers@lcp.com>, "paul
beane" <paulbean@compumedia.com>, "richard klienberg"
<azdick@ix.netcom.com>, "scot evans" <ej32296@goodnet.com>, "scott nelson"
<nelsons@comm.hq.af.mil>

*** begin forwarded message

signs that you are too drunk...

you lose arguments with inanimate objects.

you have to hold onto the lawn to keep from falling off of the
earth.

job interfering with your drinking.

your doctor finds traces of blood in your alcohol stream.

career won't progress beyond senator from massachusetts.

the back of your head keeps getting hit by the toilet seat.

sincerely believe alcohol to be the elusive 5th food group.

24 hours in a day, 24 beers in a case - coincidence??? - i
think not.

two hands and just one mouth... - no that's a drinking
problem.

you can focus better with one eye closed.

the parking lot seems to have moved while you were in the
bar.

you fall off the floor...

your pets are named barley and hops.

hey, 5 beers has just as many calories as a burger, screw
the burger!

mosquitos catch a buzz after attacking you

at aa meetings you begin with: "hi, my name is... uh..."

your idea of cutting back is less salt in your diet.

the whole bar says 'hi' when you come in.

you think the 4 basic food groups are caffeine, nicotine,
alcohol, and sex.

every night you're beginning to find your roommate's cat
more and more attractive.

roseanne looks good.

don't recognize your roommate unless seen through the
bottom of the glass.

that damned pink elephant followed you home again.

senators kennedy and packwood shake their heads when
they walk past you.

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date: tue, 13 aug 1996 18:53:21 -0400
from: shawn linderman <shawn@xyvision.com>
reply-to: folk_music@nysernet.org
to: multiple recipients of list <folk_music@nysernet.org>
subject: review: ben & jerry's newport folk festival

sender: shawn@xyvision.com (shawn linderman)
subject: review: ben & jerry's newport folk festival

had a truly wonderful time at ben&jerry's newport folk festival
this year. hooked up with a great gang of indigo girls fans via
the internet and it was a weekend slumber party with great music!

on a summer night (john gorka, cheryl wheeler, patty larkin and
cliff eberhardt) was probably the most stunning musical event i've
ever experienced. their format of picking a theme for each round
of songs was interesting, and the format worked well. the selection
of songs somehow tended towards the heart-wrenching, tear-jerking
variety, but was balanced with hilarious between-song dialogues.
i was so impressed with all four of these artists that i promptly
bought every single one of their cds!

recent reviews in the folk digests about patty larkin's guitar
skills were spot on--she's very, very accomplished on the instrument.
and her carmen miranda/ethyl merman/marlene dietrich impressionist
song was a side-splitter! her voice matches her guitar skills.

cliff eberhardt is my latest "incredible find!" in spite of the
trouble he had with the hookup with one of his guitars, and which
threatened to diminish the audience's receptiveness to his later
songs as it pretty much ruined the whole song, he ended up with what
i feel were the top two strongest performances of the evening.

this was my second time seeing john gorka (he, alone, was my
reason for going to this performance) and he was excellent again.
his tribute to his mother ("a part of you" i think it was titled)
sucked me down that well that results in watery eyes--first time
i've ever been so moved by a song. i'm rather embarrassed to have
had such a reaction, but it was a song about the joy he found
in childhood because of his mother--a joy i did not have and
somehow i ended up wallowing just a bit in self-pity about that.
felt great afterwards, thankyouverymuch...

cheryl wheeler is simply so goddamned good that i suspect you
could easily fall into the trap of thinking a given performance
of hers could be weak if it wasn't absolutely mind-blowing. i
wouldn't presume to compare her to anyone. if she's
playing, see her, hear her, laugh with her, be touched by her.

so the first night of the festival was a big winner--the highlight
in my opinion. and when you read what i have to say about some of
the other acts, you'll get a better idea of just how impressive
this foursome really is.

of the weekend days out in fort adams state park, saturday was the
better, overall. my die-hard indigo girls fan friends were very impressed
with martin sexton (none had heard him before). but one would get
a even better appreciation of his talent hearing him in a small
venue (which i guess is true of most solo singer/songwriters, as
opposed to full-scale bands).

leslie smith was okay, though obviously nervous before such a large
audience.

greg brown gave a solid performance and made me wish i had a better
spot to hear him from (our spot was acoustically sort of dead in the
base range...and greg can get way down there!).

i'm not much on bluegrass, so i napped thru the nashville bluegrass
band, peter rowan/jerry douglas/tony rice. but judging from the
audience response as i drifted in and out of sleep, they were very
well received.

then it was ani difranco's turn. last year about 2 or 3 hundred people
jumped to their feet and danced and cheered and and otherwise
expressed their enthusiasm for this very talented woman. most of them
were young, female, and sported at least 2 pierced parts of their
anatomy besides their ears! this year's response was much, much bigger--
ani must have made a lot of new fans last year (me included). and the
enthusiastic fans were a more balanced representation of society...
she damn near stole the show. i'll bet joan armatrading fans were
worried about how their favorite would be received, as she was the
"headliner" of the day ...

suzanne vega was next--wow! another incredible find! i recognized several
songs and finally had a face to put with them. dunno why i didn't retain
her name hearing her songs on the radio...

john hiatt is, i gather, one of the consummate singer/songwriters of our
generation. but i'm afraid i just can't take his voice for a long time
(this was the first time i'd heard him--maybe it grows on you). but again,
the audience expressed considerable appreciation for him, though it didn't
match the responses for difranco and vega.

finally got to joan armatrading. i dunno how to describe it, but _something_
_happened_. like myself with the bluegrass, various folks had been drifting
in and out, attention-wise if not physically, during all the previous shows.
suddenly everyone was _right_ _there_, totally in present time and all their
attention sharply focused on only one person. that attention didn't stray one
iota for the duration of joan's set and encore. i never bought any of her
recordings, but i know and enjoy lots of her songs. suddenly i'm hearing them
all strung together, _live_, and i'm thinking to myself "jeez, what an idiot.
why have i been depriving myself of this talent all these years?"

an interesting note--near as i can tell, all of the performers who had played
the night before and all day long were also in attendance at one side of the
stage watching joan perform. and they were riveted too! a very distinct
impression of students concentrating intensely to everything a master teacher
had to impart...

on to sunday's performances...but first a gripe. strong, if not completely
intimate, displays of physical affection should not be forced upon others
in a public setting where many people are coming together to share a common
event. it just happens that sunday's crowd was predominantly women and, of
those, predominantly lesbian (i'm always the last to know if someone is gay,
so this should tell you how obvious they were being!), but i would have the
same objection if a male and a female were engaging in the same behavior.
i dunno how others feel upon being forced to witness such displays, but it
makes me feel like a voyeur and _that_ is a degrading feeling.

i get the impression that because the indigo girls are gay (i didn't know
that till this weekend), these women were using that fact as a way to
validate their own gayness. i believe their thinking is flawed. rude
behavior is simply rude behavior. and the indigo girls are great artitsts
who just happen to be gay--they are not great artists _because_ they are
gay. if these other woman need to somehow equate greatness with being gay,
i suggest they aren't as comfortable with their sexual inclinations as
they seem to bent on proving they are.

anyway, 'nuff griping--i'm probably gonna get flamed like crazy for the
above, but i'm not anti-gay. i'm anti-rude.

a last minute addition started sunday early. moxy somethingorother (sorry
i didn't get the whole name) from montreal, i believe. fantastic energy
level and dynamite vocals! i'm hoping someone will respond to this with
their full name and info on how to get their cd (i had already bought
18 cd's and simply couldn't afford anymore). their scathingly funny tribute
to the greatest living american was a riot. who is it? rush limbaugh.

cordelia's dad was the "intellectual" performance of the festival. they
are obviously gifted, but quite as obviously, they were tired. this was
their last performance of a long, long road trip and they were flat.
and they as much as said so during their between-songs dialog.

david wilcox was a pleasant surprise. very smooth, mellow voice along the
lines of james taylor and brooks williams.

i meandered off for food and took a nap for most of clarence "gatemouth"
brown. caught the last tunes and i know he's an awesome guitarist--but
i'm not much of blues fan either.

maura o'connell was outstanding. the consummate professional. lavishing
praise on the authors of the songs she performed and her supporting
musicians, while everyone listening is simply agog at the power and
clarity of her lovely voice.

lisa loeb. i'd have to call her the dark horse of the weekend. most of
the folks i talked to had little interest and little expectations before
she came on, but couldn't shut up about her by the time she'd finished.
highly recommended!

michelle shocked only because because she was lousy. honest folks, she
did everything possible to avoid performing, including shoving her
brother out and making him carry the show, and when he began resisting,
she hauled out gatemouth again and made him carry her set. and she has
the nerve to complain about her record company dropping her? i would too!
she's flaking out and turning into a "i'm not responsible for anything"
nut case. (okay fans of michelle--flame away. but i stand by what i saw
and heard--or rather, didn't--hear. and a co-worker, who is a big fan
of hers, said she did the same thing at another show recently, and he's
pissed at her too! by the way, her brother is great!).

two days of sun was really getting to me by now, so i napped again
during bruce cockburn. caught "if a tree falls in the forest" and
"mines of mozambique" and was impressed as much as i could be in my
sleepy stupor...

okay everbody on your feet. ten thousand roared when the indigo girls
hit the stage and it was a fantastic set and encore. they were touched
by the audiences reaction throughout and they had the closest communication
with an audience by a full band that i've ever seen. by that i mean
talking and listening to the audience between songs--even asked a young
woman in the audience to come onstage and sing with them for a song--they
let her solo on a verse and she did great! as did the indigo girls. everyone
that i saw as we left may have been really tired, but we were all smiling
and satisfied!

well done to all the festival staff for a great weekend. and to my new
friends, i miss you already!

                                 shawn linderman
------------------               xyvision, inc.
shawn@xyvision.com               101 edgewater drive
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[alan sez: moxy fruvous is from toronto, canada. i don't have their albums
here at the office, but they are not that hard to find at a good record
store.

regarding pda's: as for the newport crowd being predominantly lesbian, that
may be an enthusiastic estimate. the percentage of gays in the crowd was
admittedly well above the national norm and i found my neighbors to be very
polite and tasteful. there are a few "wild ones" any time you put a crowd
of people together. because alcohol isn't allowed on the grounds at
newport, they have fewer interpersonal problems in the crowd than most
festivals.

i don't want to turn this into the socially correct list. everyone has
their own feelings about public displays of affection. i understand shawn's
point of view and i've heard others echo his sentiments. i would accept a
little thoughtful counterpoint on this issue, but i'm not going to let this
become a big deal here. let's stay on the music, okay?]

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subject:      ig austin show

a&e are on their way to austin, and dan perkins and i want to meet some of
ya! remember, the concert is this upcoming tuesday (the 20th). i know dan
posted this, but since he's off the list, i thought i'd try to gather some
folks.

hope to hear from ya'll,
- jen hall

hi y'all,
  actually, amy may indeed be referring to the witch trials.  i may be mistaken
but i seem to remember that some gay women were put on trial too.  if one of
those screwed up little girlies (the one's that blew people in for no good
reason) decided they didn't like you, you were in deep shit.  or i could be
totally wrong.

peace,
amy

okay, not only does emily write la las and na nas... amy does too... have
any of you ever heard reunion?  go plunk that baby in your cd player and
give it a good listen!  what is wrong with la la's anyway????????  i like
'em!  i like shame on you!   i like all of it!
i like everything!  i like it all!   i wish i could see them in nyc tonight
with cynthia! i want to hear all the la la las!
(going crazy)

corinne

where exactly is lewiston, ny? i haven't heard much talk about that show;
is it still on? are there any tickets left?
ali akenney@vnet.ibm.com

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ok, but...

we all know that emily has an uncanny ability to crank out one top-40
song per album that is popular enough to get ig back on the map (haha..
couldn't resist that one).  and i think we all agree that amy has
seemingly cranked out one of her own now.  however, if enough people hear
shame on you on the radio and start to sing along, someone might actually
listed to the lyrics.  and besides, it's a kick-ass wicked fun jammin' song!

margaret

hi everybody. great to meet lots of you at newport and hampton beach...what
fun...i'm still recovering!

but most of all, kicking myself in the ass. you see, after the delirium and joy
of seeing our sheroes play, i left my new thsirt on the table when i left. duh
duh duh duh duh.

one of you kind folks who is going to a later show, like texas, could i mail
you $$$ to buy me a shirt? that way, i will have spent $44 on it rather than
$22 and will feel justified wearing it as my wedding dress :)

mail me if you'd be willing to do this for me....

h and a k,
susan

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sender: shawn@xyvision.com (shawn linderman) writes:

> a last minute addition started sunday early. moxy somethingorother (sorry
> i didn't get the whole name) from montreal, i believe. fantastic energy
> level and dynamite vocals! i'm hoping someone will respond to this with
> their full name and info on how to get their cd (i had already bought
> 18 cd's and simply couldn't afford anymore). their scathingly funny tribute
> to the greatest living american was a riot. who is it? rush limbaugh.

deb adds:

> [alan sez: moxy fruvous is from toronto, canada. i don't have their albums
> here at the office, but they are not that hard to find at a good record
> store.]

alan is right with the info above so i won't repeat it. it turns out
they have a usenet group (alt.fan.moxy.fruvous) and a website as well
(http://wwwcsc.cornell-iowa.edu/~jcragun/fruvous).

they really stole the early portion of sunday.  they started out with
a little acapella piece that turned into an ad to by their new cd --
an absoulte riot!  i bought all three of their discs at the hmv tent,
i think my favorite is barginville.  one song they did at nff that
they haven't recorded was the hip-folk version of green eggs and ham.
excellent harmonies, superlative energy.

evidently, they agreed to play for travel and exposure only. i think
they got the good end of that deal.

shawn continues:

> michelle shocked only because because she was lousy. honest folks, she
> did everything possible to avoid performing, including shoving her
> brother out and making him carry the show, and when he began resisting,
> she hauled out gatemouth again and made him carry her set. and she has
> the nerve to complain about her record company dropping her? i would too!
> she's flaking out and turning into a "i'm not responsible for anything"
> nut case. (okay fans of michelle--flame away. but i stand by what i saw
> and heard--or rather, didn't--hear. and a co-worker, who is a big fan
> of hers, said she did the same thing at another show recently, and he's
> pissed at her too! by the way, her brother is great!).

while i agree with pretty much everything shawn has to say here,
remember her band did get unexpectedly delayed in new york --- that
probably shot the set she planned all to hell. and i didn't know
about that second show or her brother's reluctance. seconding what
shawn said, michelle's brother was very good, as was gatemouth.

one last thing, i really didn't want to be "ordained into the michelle
shocked heavenly gospel choir." especially just as i was getting done
telling people "modern folk isn't about holding hands and singing
'kumbya'" timing is everything *grin*

-- chris

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at 09:54 am 8/14/96 -0400, amy wrote:

>  actually, amy may indeed be referring to the witch trials.  i may be mistaken
>but i seem to remember that some gay women were put on trial too.  if one of
>those screwed up little girlies (the one's that blew people in for no good
>reason) decided they didn't like you, you were in deep shit.  or i could be
>totally wrong.
>
i think amy's made a very worthwhile point here. back then people were hauled
in as witches if they were just a "little" differnt than the rest of the folk
around. just another way for religious leaders etc to keep control of the
people,
and therefore keep the people's money in their pockets. anyone who didn't
follow the burdensome + strict dictation of those pompous leaders was a
threat... sooo...
people who used herbs etc to cure illness were suspect, people who had
questions
about god were suspect... people who "thought" were suspect...conformity was the
name of the colonization game....so just imagine if one was <gasp> gay?
if this is what a is referring to with the use of the date 1694... it makes
a lot of sense to me...
"may we drown her?"
"on what grounds?"
"she's a witch"
"i'm not a witch. they dressed me to look like this."
"did you dress her to look like a witch?"
"no... well...yes, just a little... we did help with the nose..."
( monty python's search for the holy grail... and yes i know *that* took
place in england :)! )
peace all.... kim
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>
> one last thing, i really didn't want to be "ordained into the michelle
> shocked heavenly gospel choir."  especially just as i was getting done
> telling people "modern folk isn't about holding hands and singing
> 'kumbya'"  timing is everything *grin*
>
persoinally, i found her comment "...all you fucking atheists" to
be a bit unnecessary.  that's a bit judgemental and over the top,
imho.  i agree with shawn that her set was weird.  chris makes a good
point about her set perhaps being messed up with the absence of
her band, but i still wasnt all that impressed.

amy p.                          /       who holds your hand
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>> [alan sez: moxy fruvous is from toronto, canada. i don't have their albums
>> here at the office, but they are not that hard to find at a good record
>> store.]
>
>alan is right with the info above so i won't repeat it.  it turns out
>they have a usenet group (alt.fan.moxy.fruvous) and a website as well
>(http://wwwcsc.cornell-iowa.edu/~jcragun/fruvous).
>
> they really stole the early portion of sunday.  they started out with
>a little acapella piece that turned into an ad to by their new cd --
>an absoulte riot!  i bought all three of their discs at the hmv tent,
>i think my favorite is barginville.  one song they did at nff that
>they haven't recorded was the hip-folk version of green eggs and ham.
>excellent harmonies, superlative energy.

actually they _did_ record green eggs and ham many years ago.  my ex-
roomate used to listen to it _all_ the time (drove me batty) just
because her name was sam.  unfortunately i don't have a copy of it :(
it's a good song, tho.  my personal moxy fave has to be once i was the
king of spain - it cracks me up every time.  glad everybody liked
them so much :)

-sarah (who is also ashamed to admit that she saw them on rita mcneil)

did anyone find out whether the show at the 9:30 club is happening?

curiously,
tamara

at 11:15 am 8/14/96 -0400, sarah wrote:

>it's a good song, tho.  my personal moxy fave has to be once i was the
>king of spain - it cracks me up every time.  glad everybody liked
>them so much :)
>
>
> -sarah (who is also ashamed to admit that she saw them on rita mcneil)
>
*all* of them, sarah?... did they need to "get out the map"?
kim ( who knows there are too many "fat" jokes about rita mcneil... but
just couldn't resist... ):)
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amy j. putnam wrote:

> persoinally, i found her comment "...all you fucking atheists" to
> be a bit unnecessary. that's a bit judgemental and over the top,
> imho. i agree with shawn that her set was weird. chris makes a good
> point about her set perhaps being messed up with the absence of
> her band, but i still wasnt all that impressed.

i know i haven't posted abt having been there or anything yet, but as long as people are
commenting on michelle shocked i figured i'd jump in.  weird barely begins to describe
her set!  it seemed like she was really going out of her way to be offensive.  the
fucking atheists thing was totally unnecessary, as was her slamming pete seeger
(basically, she was really denigrating and snotty in "discussing" that the song was
originally come by here, not kumbaya, and was going on about "hey mr. seeger, you
thought you were in africa or something - you've got to listen better..." and stuff like
that.  i used to like her singing okay, but judging from her performance the other day,
she clearly has no respect for anyone but herself.  and while i might have felt bad
for her, music-wise, for her band being stranded, that had nothing to do with the stuff
that was so arrogant and offensive i thought.  sheesh.

on the other hand, i had a totally excellent time for the rest of the program!

- elizabeth :)

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> did anyone find out whether the show at the 9:30 club is happening?
>
accoring to sulli, the guitar tech, that show is not happening. wouold
not have left them enoughtime to get to austin.

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deb <indigo@clark.net> writes:
> from: shawn linderman <shawn@xyvision.com>
>> those, predominantly lesbian (i'm always the last to know if someone is gay,
>> so this should tell you how obvious they were being!), but i would have the
>> same objection if a male and a female were engaging in the same behavior.
>> i dunno how others feel upon being forced to witness such displays, but it
>> makes me feel like a voyeur and _that_ is a degrading feeling.

> i don't want to turn this into the socially correct list. everyone has
> their own feelings about public displays of affection. i understand shawn's
> point of view and i've heard others echo his sentiments. i would accept a
> little thoughtful counterpoint on this issue, but i'm not going to let this
> become a big deal here. let's stay on the music, okay?]

well, i wasn't actually at the nff (and i could really kick myself for
it. i am kicking myself for it. screw my other responsibilities- i
should have just gone!!!!) but anyway..

based on the basic disagreement between deb and shawn regarding the
number of lesbians there, i'd say it's rather likely that shawn just
isn't very used to seeing lesbian women expressing their love.

if this is the case, than he would have noticed every little (and big)
incident all the more, without even having realized it himself- he
would have just thought there were many of them. i find it hard to
believe that given the environment, there weren't also a large number
of het couples pdaing. they just don't stand out as much.

personally, i'm all for gay pdas. in my experience with gay/bi/mixed
crowds, we don't pda any more than anyone else- the "normals" just
notice it more. and to me, that's a reason to keep on doing it so
that people do get used to it.

but like i said, i wasn't actually there, so i could be totally off.
i just feel like keeping my big mouth open.. :)

-"list owner jude"

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first, thank you to all who addressed my comments about pdas with
such thoughtfulness, rather than knee-jerk reaction. i was pleased
to hear your feelings, even when we disagreed.

i guess you can liken it to a cultural pendulum. anytime a segment
of society is oppressed/suppressed for their thoughts, beliefs, etc.,
eventually the situation explodes. and instead of hiding it (whatever
"it" may be), its proponents tend to push it forward aggressively.

given a bit more time, everything settles down and it becomes simply
a part of society's pattern that doesn't evoke any particular comment.

personally, most of the people i've ever been very close with were gay,
even though i'm not. i'm the opposite of macho and i simply feel more
comfortable with gays, whom i find to be more gentle and thoughtful
than the norm. like i said before, i'm always the last to know. usually
i've been friends with someone for several years before i discover they're
gay. (i guess i'm kind of naive, but since it doesn't occur to me to
speculate on someone's sexuality, i simply don't focus attention on "signs"
that would point one way or another.)

it's just that in growing up, i somehow acquired the attitude that pda's
are done in private. i don't consider holding hands, or hugs, or light
kisses to be the pdas that belong in private--those are simply nice, and
i smile to see such happiness around me. the pdas i was objecting to were
of the groping/stroking and deep, passionate french-kissing variety.
other than that, i was jazzed with my spot at the concert 'cuz there was
only one male within 50 feet of me in any direction, and the vast majority
of the females were really cute! hee-hee!

thanks again for your kind replies.

shawn

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no artist likes to be pigeon holed (amy song / emily song) so maybe it was
just amy's way of doing it her way and to hell with expectations.

mike in seattle just waiting for bumbershoot.

date: wed, 14 aug 1996 11:40:28 -0500
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subject: re: la la's

at 08:14 am 8/14/96 -0600, corinne wrote:
>okay, not only does emily write la las and na nas... amy does too...

i've gotta totally agree with corinne on this one. take the song joking for
instance, the height of the song consists of 'sha-las' and to me that's part
of what makes it so great. i think that one thing about amy's music that we
all know and have to keep in mind is that she gets so emotionally involved
in so many of her songs that you know whatever she is singing is for a
reason, and that reason is certainly not to write a pop song! at times, i'm
sure it's helpful for her to sing 'la la, na na, sha la' just so that she
can vent her feelings without having to concentrate on lyrics. just my
opinion on this one, but i stand by it.

~abigail

hey everyone. i thought i'd respond to a couple of the posts
regarding ani and her audience. i promise, this all relates to ig somehow...

>then it was ani difranco's turn. last year about 2 or 3 hundred people
>jumped to their feet and danced and cheered and and otherwise
>expressed their enthusiasm for this very talented woman. most of them
>were young, female, and sported at least 2 pierced parts of their
>anatomy besides their ears! this year's response was much, much bigger--
>ani must have made a lot of new fans last year (me included). and the
>enthusiastic fans were a more balanced representation of society...
>she damn near stole the show.

        oh yes, ani's audience has grown considerably over the last year.
at this time last year, _not a pretty girl_ had just been released.  she was
beginning to play to far larger audiences.  the first time i saw her was in
a tiny lecture hall in late 1994.  since then, i've seen her in far larger
venues.  she sold out the beacon theater in nyc, if that's any indication.
with _dilate's_ release, i've noticed a younger audience (ie junior high
school) mixing in with a college age predominantly female crowd.

what does this all mean?

>> our reaction to ani was tainted by the "adolescents with attitudes"
>> who tromped all over to rush the stage, kids who had not gotten good spots in
>> the morning but who felt they were entitled to block the view of those
who had
>> (i'm young enough to be running down roads with lawn chairs at 6:15, but old
>> enought to wonder what happened to manners and civility).

i must admit, as an eighteen year old ani fan, who has also been an
ig fan since seventh grade, i find the stereotype above somewhat insulting.
i personally ran into more rude younger ig fans than ani fans when i (yes,
i'll admit it, and i'll even explain) moved forward at newport.
"adolescents with attitudes?" i will be the first to admit that ani does
attract some teenagers who have a "cooler than you" type attitude, but i
hardly think this is a reflection of her entire audience, nor of teenagers
in general.

        here's my attempt at an explanation...  many of the younger members
of ani's audience don't come from a friendly folk scene.  lawn chairs?
blankets?  foreign idea.  a general admission show in the pop music world is
usually a club where getting to the venue early gets you a good head start,
but in no way guarantees that you'll be up front.  and those of us who have
been a part of a local folk scene and have attended other folk festivals
have found that there is usually a space up front to the side where dancing
space is available.  newport is really in a class all of its own.  to me, it
was far too commercial and scary to be a true friendly folk event.  so,
lines were somewhat blurred.

        i will admit right now that i *hate* shows when no one stands up, no
one dances.  those are the audiences that make me want to go home early.
people sitting in their little lawn chairs with a roaring enthusiastic crowd
hundreds of feet behind them?  ugh.  i'm not sure i'm explaining myself very
well here.  i guess that newport was very frustrating for anyone who wanted
to be close for his or her favorite artists to enjoy the music.

        i am a true believer in community and keeping in mind the comfort of
others.  i have, however, snuck forward in many shows.  i *always* ask.  i
*always* move when asked.  someone asked me to move at newport.  i did.

        i think the misunderstandings and rudeness come as a result of
general concert behavior norms that are not constant.  at ani shows, people
almost always rush forward.  rock shows have mosh pits.  a lot of kids just
don't understand.  a lot of older people who've never been to a picnic folk
type show didn't understand.  the main idea for everyone was to have fun.
so, if i got in anyone's way, put up a confrontational attitude, i genuinely
apologize.  i try very hard to think of others.  i think most of the people
at newport feel the same way.

>
>> and a contrast...the kids who came crashing up from the back
>> through the crowd for ig were very different from the ani kids...less
>> confrontational, more apologetic, enthusiasm without hostile attitude.
again,
>> i just didn't get saturday...
>
>i'm sorry, but imo, rude is rude. and moving in front of people who got to
>the park many hours before you to reserve those spots, and forcing them to
>pack up their shit and move lest they end up behind a crowd of people, is
>rude. that was definitely the sour note in my newport experience.

        the only concerts i've ever had bad seats for were the indigo girls.
i saw them at great woods, and my seats were terrible.  i saw them at
brandeis.  nosebleed seats.  the farthest away from ani i've been, in the 11
times i've seen her, is the 11th row.  because of ig's general audience, i
didn't think it was appropriate to move forward at great woods or brandeis.
at most shows, i don't really think twice.  being far away sucks.  the
problem is that everyone feels this way, and not everyone thinks of the
comfort and feelings of fellow audience members.

        i sincerely hope no one's newport experience was truly tainted by
enthusiastic stage rushing fans.  the rush was the smallest i've ever seen
for ani.  it was my hope that the people already up front would move closer,
and others would move in behind them.

        i'm not sure i'll go back to newport.  the whole international
company hmv monopoly on the festival seemed to contradict the idea of
grassroots values and folk music.  tickets were very pricey.  hmv didn't
even bother to get moxy fruvous records.  their employees thought i was an
alien asking for moxy fruvous on saturday.  moxy brought the cds themselves
sunday, and they sold out of the b-album, which can only be purchased at
shows, right before i got there.  i think i'll stick to falcon ridge and
clearwater.

so that was my muddled attempt at showing the other side of the
coin. i didn't do it very well, but i can try to clarify, because i know a
lot of people will take issue with some of what i've stated above.

:) relax... :) -emily

                     "the summer ends and we wonder who we are
              and there you go my friends with your boxes in your car"
                                   -dar williams

on wed, 14 aug 1996, christopher m. becker wrote of moxy fruvous:

> i think my favorite is barginville. one song they did at nff that
> they haven't recorded was the hip-folk version of green eggs and ham.

and if they haven't yet, they may never, since i first saw them doing that as
an opener for michelle shocked (i think) several years ago.

--
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hey y'all,

shawn linderman writes:
>>and the indigo girls are great artitsts who just happen to be gay--they
are not great artists _because_ they are gay.<<

okay, well i have to disagree here - i mean the indigo girls are great
artists because they are gay!! see, speaking as a molecular biologist
(well, not officially, but i read a molecular biology book once... okay,
not all the way through - it a was a thick book with lots of big words,
but anyway...) see it has to do with the shape of the dna double helix and
the random-but-ever-so-planned nature of the universe and chaos theory too
(at least that book had lots of pretty colored pictures) so see, to
summerize, gayness does mean superior guitar playing abilities and/or
intensely driven lyrical abilities and/or both :)

hey, has anyone else noticed that the color indigo's missing from the
lesbian/gay/bi rainbow flag?  i learned my rainbow colors like in junior
high science according to the acromyn roy g. biv - as in, red, orange,
yellow, green, blue, indigo, violet.  and if you were counting along,
you'll know that's 7 colors, but the rainbow flag only has 6 colors with
a missing indigo.  any thoughts on this???  it's been troubling my
already over-taxed little brain cells.

peace,
donna

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abigail writes:

> i've gotta totally agree with corinne on this one. take the song joking for
> instance, the height of the song consists of 'sha-las' and to me that's part
> of what makes it so great.

interestingly enough, i always thought the joking "sha na"'s were amy's
southern slur of "shine on" as in pride of being one's self. can't
argue with that part of fugitive though!

personally i love shame on you and can't wait for the new album. like
who here can? *laugh*

-- chris

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abigail wrote:
at times, i'm sure it's helpful for her to sing 'la la, na na, sha la'
just so that she can vent her feelings without having to concentrate
on lyrics.

i have a bunch of world music cds (finnish, bulgarian, spanish, various
south american countries) and i don't understand one single word of their
lyrics, but i love them. i think it is a measure of a musician's ability
to communicate when she/he can reach your heart without the significance
of words. it also makes it a more personal experience for the listener--
you get to make up your own "pictures" to go with the sounds. just like
reading a book is almost always more satisfying than seeing the movie...

shawn

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geez, could i possibly be anymore vain than writing back just to say -
"hey, this bad donna's not me!!"

heheh...

adios,
donna (the good list one :)

on wed, 14 aug 1996, mark anthony donajkowski wrote:

> donna you around my friend sent u tapes for the booots you made for me to
> and she hasnt reecieved any thing from u i wrote you and asked u if you
> got the tapes from her and u never wrote me back her name is mia bleosdale
> i think i spelt the last name wrong she is in athens please let me know
> where teh tapes stand
>
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subject:      re: review: ben & jerry's newport folk festival

whoa...you're sending me back in years.................

.... i haven't thought about roy g. biv in years.....

........ i'm getting so old ............

- jen hall
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hey y'all,

shawn linderman writes:
>>and the indigo girls are great artitsts who just happen to be gay--they
are not great artists _because_ they are gay.<<

peace,
donna

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okay - emergency here folks: i wasn't going to go to this
concert but as it turns out someone i know (hi sarah!) is
going and i am now trying to figure out if i can make
arrangements to get to lewiston.  soooo...does anyone
from toronto know how i can get to lewiston by bus
and/or train?!  or is someone driving there and could
i pay my way for a ride?  i can't get tickets until
i find out if i can get there (brilliant observation)
so i need to know asap!  thanks thanks thanks ahead
of time for any response (e-mail me privately),

denise
(who is trying to find the greyhound bus number...)

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my response..
>
>         here's my attempt at an explanation...  many of the younger members
> of ani's audience don't come from a friendly folk scene.  lawn chairs?
> blankets?  foreign idea.  a general admission show in the pop music world is
> usually a club where getting to the venue early gets you a good head start,
> but in no way guarantees that you'll be up front.  and those of us who have
> been a part of a local folk scene and have attended other folk festivals
> have found that there is usually a space up front to the side where dancing
> space is available.  newport is really in a class all of its own.  to me, it
> was far too commercial and scary to be a true friendly folk event.  so,
> lines were somewhat blurred.

please.  define "friendly folks event"  define who not coming from a
"friendly folk scene" excuses the lack of manners of those who just
stomp up in front regardless of who is there or how long they have been
there.  this was  folk festival, not a general admission pop club.
different venue, differnt rules.  i don think anyone has to expect
a dacing area close to the stage in a park that size with 10,000 people.

> well here. i guess that newport was very frustrating for anyone who wanted
> to be close for his or her favorite artists to enjoy the music.

getting close means getting there early and respecting that others migtht
have better seats. doesnt mean maruaduing closer space.

hamptoin beach, for example, was a clear bell for me to remind me
why i hate general admission shows.  i got ther a good 5 hours before
teh door opened.  there ere about 20 people between me and my friends when
we arrived.  by the time the doors opened, that crowd sweeled to about 70.
put me in a foul mood before getting inside.  peopleare just rude, doesnt
matter who the artist may be.

>         i'm not sure i'll go back to newport.  the whole international
> company hmv monopoly on the festival seemed to contradict the idea of
> grassroots values and folk music.  tickets were very pricey.  hmv didn't
> even bother to get moxy fruvous records.  their employees thought i was an
> alien asking for moxy fruvous on saturday.  moxy brought the cds themselves
> sunday, and they sold out of the b-album, which can only be purchased at
> shows, right before i got there.  i think i'll stick to falcon ridge and
> clearwater.

this si the first year that hmv was there and i think it was a good
move.  ebfor,e it was ro8under who had the music and the selection was
much more limited.  hmv  may not have had mf cd's becuase they were a
late addition.  i dont know.    as for ticket prices, the 2 day pass
for newport, about 14 hours of music and about 15 acts as $55, the same
as one 3 hour melissa etheridge show.  only about 1/3 more than i paid for
my ticket to hampton beach.  i think newport is a bargain, by comparison.
you are quiote right that newport is a class all of its own adn is
not like otehr festivals.  would we really want all festivals to be
the same?  adn hmv is not a monopoly on the festival.  they dont run it,
plan  it, have anything to do with it aside from having set up the
music booth.  it's not their fault that the moxy fruvous cd's were sold out
before you got there.

can anyone tell me how early would be good to get to the electric factory for
the concert? thanks a lot.
--jamie

it seems that i may actually have a chance of getting to the woody guthrie
memorial concert in cleveland next month! the line up of performers is so
great that my dad is almost convinced that it could be worth the 7+ hour
shlep to get to the concert. we both love pete seeger & arlo guthrie, plus
i'd get to see ig and ani live for the first time, even though it wouldn't
be a concert of their own material. what i desperately need now is info from
anyone who could help me as to ticket prices, show time, and a confirmation
of when tix go on sale. i contacted ticketmaster, but all they could tell me
was probably on the 17th. i'm going to call the rock & roll hall of fame
today to see what else i can find out, but if anyone can help me, i'd
appreciate it. thanks.

~abigail

hi all!

i just found out that i have ticket to tonights show! (a belated birthday
presents from dear friends)

i will finally, at last, (it's about damn time) see ig liveandin person!

who of you are going? where is everyone meeting?

(i know its last minute. i understand if you can't get back to me in time.

i cant believe i'm going tonight!!!)

sorry for shouting-just needed to get that out of my system.

be well
melissa

augh!
      why don't i know about these things?  okay, so when i heard the girls
were playing, i thought about going.  then i heard that michelle would be
there, and i thought about it much more seriously... if i had but known that
moxy, one of my _favourite_ groups, who i've yet to see live, was going to be
there... augh!  why don't i pay attention?!?!  so, i know everyone booted the
girls, but did anyone get michelle or moxy?  please, oh please? =}  that's
all... off to dub. =)  peace, love, and augh!, sarah

wow - gotta love modern technology!
three short hours ago i was planning on spending my weekend
doing nothing and now i'm going to be off to ny to hear ig
in less than 48 hours...this is probably one of the craziest
spur-of-the-moment things i've ever done...cool :)
thanks for the info everyone,

denise

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> roseanne looks good.
um, actually... she does. no, i'm not kidding, she's fully rad!
love and big wet kisses,
karey

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deb [indigo@clark.net] writes:

   >i don't want to turn this into the socially correct list. everyone =
has
   >their own feelings about public displays of affection. i understand =
shawn's
   >point of view and i've heard others echo his sentiments. i would =
accept a
   >little thoughtful counterpoint on this issue, but i'm not going to =
let this
   >become a big deal here. let's stay on the music, okay?]

i'd like to be one of the ones to provide the "thoughtful counterpoint". =
i've
only been a subscriber for about 2 weeks, but i've read the faq, lurked =
enough
to know how this list is, and have been using netnews and mailing lists =
for
about 8 years now. i hope you see fit to pass this on.

shawn@xyvision.com (shawn linderman) writes:

   >on to sunday's performances...but first a gripe. strong, if not =
completely
   >intimate, displays of physical affection should not be forced upon =
others
   >in a public setting where many people are coming together to share a =
common
   >event. it just happens that sunday's crowd was predominantly women =
and, of
   >those, predominantly lesbian (i'm always the last to know if someone =
is gay,
   >so this should tell you how obvious they were being!), but i would =
have the
   >same objection if a male and a female were engaging in the same =
behavior.
   >i dunno how others feel upon being forced to witness such displays, =
but it
   >makes me feel like a voyeur and _that_ is a degrading feeling.

i don't take particular exception to the pda comment. i too object to =
overly zealous pdas-- there's a time and a place for everything. =
however, my antenna
always goes up whenever i hear straight people complain about some =
aspect of
gayness and qualify it with "but i'd feel the same if they were =
straight". i
tend to think of shakespeare--- "methinks he doth protest too much."

also, i'm very curious to know how a straight male who admits "i'm =
always the=20
last to know if someone is gay" can assert that the crowd was =
predominantly=20
lesbian. i find it hard to believe in a crowd of 10,000 that there were =
5000+=20
lesbians openly engaging in "intimate pdas". just doesn't sound =
statistically=20
believable.

   >i get the impression that because the indigo girls are gay (i didn't =
know
   >that till this weekend), these women were using that fact as a way =
to
   >validate their own gayness. i believe their thinking is flawed. rude
   >behavior is simply rude behavior. and the indigo girls are great =
artitsts
   >who just happen to be gay--they are not great artists _because_ they =
are
   >gay. if these other woman need to somehow equate greatness with =
being gay,
   >i suggest they aren't as comfortable with their sexual inclinations =
as
   >they seem to bent on proving they are.

this i do take *great* exception to-- i'm nearly incensed. i have read =
this paragraph over and over hoping to be able to put my objections into =
describable=20
form. i take such exception to it in so many ways & on so many levels =
that i=20
can't seem to put my feelings into a coherent essay form.=20

i think the best way for me to voice my objections is to just list them =
in
bullet form. so, in no particular order, here they are (be warned, some =
are
purely emotional reactions):

-what does "validate their own gayness" mean anyway? i'm not sure what =
is=20
meant by this, but it seems to bother me. the mere fact that someone =
would
comment on "validating gayness" seems to suggest some sort of objection =
to
gayness. why should gay people have to validate anything?

-"i believe their thinking is flawed": well, with all due respect, who =
asked=20
you and why are you voicing this on this list.

-nothing angers me so much as unsolicited commentary from straight =
people
on gayness and being gay. unless you've walked a mile in my shoes, you =
don't
have a clue. do you also comment on the black experience in america to =
african
americans? what about on being italian to italian americans?

-as for the last 2 sentences, i'm so i can hardly form a coherent =
thought.
no reasonably intelligent gay person would assert with seriousness that =
a&e are=20
great because they are gay. however, when you go through all your life =
with the=20
entire world denying or reviling your existence, it's very uplifting to =
have=20
"one of your own" make it. it's not that we feel that a&e are great =
musicians=20
b/c they're gay-- it's that we are thrilled that gay musicians are being =

recognized for their greatness.

-look, shawn, i can assure you, the lesbians at that concert had no =
desire to
"prove" themselves to you or any other straight people there. it's a =
well known
fact that a&e are gay-- they came out publicly years ago. it's simply =
that
gay people know that indigo girls concerts are generally a safe place to =
be
themselves. there are so few places for gay folks to be themselves, that =

sometimes when gay people finally find a safe place, they can be a =
little overzealous.=20

-it's very poor form for straight people to comment on gay people's =
comfort with
their sexuality. you can't possibly know, so don't comment. i'm sure you =
don't
appreciate it when gay people comment on a straight persons' comfort =
with their
sexuality.

-my main objection to this paragraph is that it even appears here-- i'm =
not the
slightest bit interested in the poster's view on gay women, gayness, =
etc. i'm
not upset at deb for allowing the post, i'm upset that the poster would =
be so
thoughtless and insensitive as to post that stuff here. if pdas are =
inappropriate at a public concert, then that type of statement is =
inappropriate=20
for this list. and a simple "i'm gonna get flamed like crazy for this" =
doesn't=20
excuse the inappropriateness of it.

there is more than enough unsolicited commentary on lesbians and gays in =
the
world as it is-- we shouldn't have to be barraged by it here too.=20

>anyway, 'nuff griping--i'm probably gonna get flamed like crazy for =
the
>above, but i'm not anti-gay. i'm anti-rude.

i hope you don't get flamed-- i don't believe in flaming. i do believe =
in
thoughtful discourse and i hope i have provided some.=20

well, just my $0.05 worth.

jo
jmelnik@lucent.com=20

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i have to agree with amy, rude is rude!  jessi and i just went to see
sting at the gorge ampitheater last saturday...for those of you who have
been there, it's this big hole in the ground with a great view of the
river at sunset, cool place for a concert, lots of gen admission
seating...and we had the same problem.  people waltzing into the show
during the opener and sitting right in front of those of us who had gotten
there early.  we spent most of the concert asking people to move (one
person easily blocks the view of twenty) and getting called all kinds of
obscene things.  and this was sting, not mudhoney!  i mean, come on.  the
ettiquite is pretty simple...before you claim a spot, especially if you
are late, you ask if you are blocking someone's view.  if you want to
dance, you go over to the side or behind people who are sitting, or into
an area where lots of folks are dancing.  it's really just common
courtesy.  i'm sorry if others feel it's a lame crowd if folks are
sitting.  some people just don't have the energy to get their shit
organized (like babysitters etc.), drive a long way to a venue, and then
battle everyone else to see the folks they've paid a lot of money to see.
it really doesn't matter why they are sitting, you just respect it and
move on.

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children."--eric draven, the crow

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on wed, 14 aug 1996, amy j. putnam wrote:

> my response..
> >
> >         here's my attempt at an explanation...  many of the younger members
> > of ani's audience don't come from a friendly folk scene.  lawn chairs?
> > blankets?  foreign idea.  a general admission show in the pop music world is
> > usually a club where getting to the venue early gets you a good head start,
> > but in no way guarantees that you'll be up front.  and those of us who have
> > been a part of a local folk scene and have attended other folk festivals
> > have found that there is usually a space up front to the side where dancing
> > space is available.  newport is really in a class all of its own.  to me, it
> > was far too commercial and scary to be a true friendly folk event.  so,
> > lines were somewhat blurred.
>
> please.  define "friendly folks event"  define who not coming from a
> "friendly folk scene" excuses the lack of manners of those who just
> stomp up in front regardless of who is there or how long they have been
> there.  this was  folk festival, not a general admission pop club.
> different venue, differnt rules.  i don think anyone has to expect
> a dacing area close to the stage in a park that size with 10,000 people.
>
> > well here.  i guess that newport was very frustrating for anyone who wanted
> > to be close for his or her favorite artists to enjoy the music.
>
> getting close means getting there early and respecting that others migtht
> have better seats.  doesnt mean maruaduing closer space.
>
> hamptoin beach, for example, was a clear bell for me to remind me
> why i hate general admission shows.  i got ther a good 5 hours before
> teh door opened.  there ere about 20 people between me and my friends when
> we arrived.  by the time the doors opened, that crowd sweeled to about 70.
> put me in a foul mood before getting inside.  peopleare just rude, doesnt
> matter who the artist may be.
>
> >         i'm not sure i'll go back to newport.  the whole international
> > company hmv monopoly on the festival seemed to contradict the idea of
> > grassroots values and folk music.  tickets were very pricey.  hmv didn't
> > even bother to get moxy fruvous records.  their employees thought i was an
> > alien asking for moxy fruvous on saturday.  moxy brought the cds themselves
> > sunday, and they sold out of the b-album, which can only be purchased at
> > shows, right before i got there.  i think i'll stick to falcon ridge and
> > clearwater.
>
> this si the first year that hmv was there and i think it was a good
> move.  ebfor,e it was ro8under who had the music and the selection was
> much more limited.  hmv  may not have had mf cd's becuase they were a
> late addition.  i dont know.    as for ticket prices, the 2 day pass
> for newport, about 14 hours of music and about 15 acts as $55, the same
> as one 3 hour melissa etheridge show.  only about 1/3 more than i paid for
> my ticket to hampton beach.  i think newport is a bargain, by comparison.
> you are quiote right that newport is a class all of its own adn is
> not like otehr festivals.  would we really want all festivals to be
> the same?  adn hmv is not a monopoly on the festival.  they dont run it,
> plan  it, have anything to do with it aside from having set up the
> music booth.  it's not their fault that the moxy fruvous cd's were sold out
> before you got there.
>
>
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> pegasus@crl.com                /        when you're alone
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hi, all.

>-it's very poor form for straight people to comment on gay people's
>comfort with
>their sexuality. you can't possibly know, so don't comment.

shawn's post didn't sound to me like an exegesis on gay people's comfort
with their sexuality. to me, it sounded like there were tons of lesbians
making out, and it was uncomfortable to observe. perhaps shawn should have
complained that there were tons of people there making out...

it would have made me uncomfortable too. pdas have always struck me as
untoward behavior, gay or straight, pride rally or sunday picnic.

cheers,
ab

andrew bissaro
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"i do everything from the heart, from personal conviction. if you try to
find love by charting a course, you'll never find it." --van cliburn

wow is all i have to say! i just sifted through the 250+ messages awaiting
me after our amazing trip to newport. so many things to comment on. i
think the bullet point method is effective:

-meeting at least 30-40 list members at the two shows i went to was a
definite highlight.  so a hearty hi and hello to everyone i met.  i would
name everyone i met but it would take up too much space.  great matching
faces to names and just great to finally meet some folks i've been chatting
with for years now.
-the girls were great at newport.  the emily saying fuck thing was once
cool.  now it is cliche.  that girl needs some soap in her mouth  :) :).  i
love the new songs.  shame on you, it's alright and get out the map were
highlights.  winthrop and the piano is also great.
-the sunburn factor was killer.  my entire face is peeling today despite
all the aloe i have applied.
-as far as people pushing up front and cutting--they suck whether they are
adolescent lesbians or elderly couples.  i did not wake up at 5 am and run
to the point of leg pain to have some whippersnappers push in front of me
and step on my blanket.  well anyone who stepped on our blanket trying to
get ahead got a quick blow to the head with my very popular indigo girls
rd.  sign  :).  despite that nff was fabulous.
-as far as pda at newport goes i have a few comments.  i remember
commenting while there to my buds deb and dwayne how newport seemed like
utopia to me.  i mean i left my wallet and camera and other valuables at
the blanket and walked around for hours without a theft.  everyone there
liked ig.  there were young people, old people, infants, handicapped
people, lesbian couples and gay couples, etc.  everyone walked around being
totally comfortable doing whatever they wanted.  i remember saying "god
wouldn't it be cool if the real world outside of the folk fest was like
this."  so for me it was great to see all the open affection.  yes there is
a point that crosses the line like people walking around naked and stuff
and having sex on their blankets.  but overall it was quite nice to see an
environment so open to everything.
--if i never go back to hampton beach, nh it will be too soon.  what a town
of scum imo.  how these venues are chosen is beyond me.  despite the town,
the girls were great.  more new songs and a very long set.  michelle malone
is great.  emily curses again during winthrop blaming the microphone for
her screw-up.  too funny.  margaret clayton camps out at 11am for front row
seats only to find that the whole first section is reserved for losers who
don't even know who ig are.  as amy p said, general admission shows suck.
there is no excuse for not getting front row after being first in line.
thank god margaret has more testicles than i and managed to get moved up
after some booty kissing.  go m!!!!  and thanks for that setlist!
--lynn martin (girl who sang with ig at nff)  represented ig fans
fantastically.  she was excited, but not in an out of control manner.  she
was courteous.  she sang well.  i mean even a and e were impressed--they
stopped singing to allow lynn  to go on her own.  thank god i-girl got
lynn's autograph afterwards.  i'm gonna get it from her :).
--i could blab forever.  the drive back to chicago took 18 hours but it was
well well worth every second.  i had an amazing weekend.  have fun at the
shows!!  later y'all.

greg

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i found this info on the web:

the list of the meaning of the colors of the flag and the rings:
[pink] (sexuality)
red (light) (life)
orange (healing)
yellow (sun)
green (serenity) (nature)
blue (art)
[indigo] (harmony)
purple (spirit)

the colors pink and indigo are in brackets because they are no longer part
of the flag design. they were originally part of the flag though. the
reason they were removed is pretty simple:

(this is by steven w. anderson, taken from:
gaze magazine (minneapolis), #191, 28 may 1993, p. 25)

the first rainbow flag was designed in 1978 by gilbert baker, a san
francisco artist, who created the flag in response to a local activist's
call for the need of a community symbol. (this was before the pink
triangle was popularly used as a symbol of pride.) using the five-striped
"flag of the race" as his inspiration, baker designed a flag with eight
stripes: pink, red, orange, yellow, green, blue, indigo, and violet.
according to baker, those colors represented, respectively: sexuality,
life, healing, sun, nature, art, harmony, and spirit. baker dyed and sewed
the material for the first flag himself - in the true spirit of betsy
ross.

baker soon approached san francisco's paramount flag company about mass
producing and selling his "gay flag". unfortunately, baker had hand-dyed
all the colors, and since the color "hot pink" was not commercially
available, mass production of his eight-striped version became impossible.
the flag was thus reduced to seven stripes.

in november 1978, san francisco's gay community was stunned when the
city's first openly gay supervisor, harvey milk, was assassinated, wishing
to demonstrate the gay community's strength and solidarity in the
aftermath of this tragedy, the 1979 pride parade committee decided to use
baker's flag. the committee eliminated the indigo stripe so they could
divide the colors evenly along the parade route - three colors on one side
of the street and three on the other. soon the six colors were
incorporated into a six-striped version that became popularized and that,
today, is recognized by the international congress of flag makers.

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hey all,

i'm assuming all the southwest shows are sold out, but miranda and i may
actually be planning on yet another one of our crazy excursions.

she's currently in new york trouncing around with other listees. i just
talked to her. they're having a blast, by the way.

anyway, just thought i'd get an idea as to whether anyone had any extra
tickets for the las cruces and phoenix shows or whatever else might be
going on down there.

thanks everyone.

carolyn

p.s. the newport tape tree is on it's way. i'll post about it later
tonight or tomorrow. :)

i've been reading these posts from people at nff who were running at ungodly
hours of the morning to get really good seats, and were (imo) rightly peeved
by others' moving in front of them.  but i'd like to add another view as
well:  on sunday, apparently some people were so zealous in their wanting
to be right up front that they bowled over innocent bystanders and the gate
checkers, to the point that one woman was seriously injured.  i know this
because later in the day, when i wanted to leave the festival briefly, i
couldn't just take the re-entry pass to get back like they usually allow
- this time they said we had to have our ticket stubs as well.  the started
enforcing this because of the scene that morning - the people who raced in
didn't stop to get their ticket stubs, so while they were able to stop one
person involved, the majority of people who ran in, oblivious to any damage
they might be causing, didn't have stubs during the day and this was the one
recourse the entrance checkers could take.

i certainly hope none of the people here who've talked abt racing in were the
callous insensitive ones i'm referring to here, but just in case - please keep
this in mind next time. a front row seat is not worth hurting others for.

- elizabeth

hey folks :)

well, it has been a while since i have posted here, but well, figured i'd
chime in on a bit of the newport discussion. i just resubscribed when i
returned from the festival of festivals so i could see how others reacted.

so, despite losing a hell of a lot of skin to peeling in the post-agony
of my sunburn, newport was the coolest musical experience of my
lifetime.  i was not only a newport newbie but an ig live newbie (happens
when you come from a rock in the middle of the ocean), and what a way to
see them live for the first time.  my partner had seen them near the end
of the so tour and was thoroughly unimpressed since they were so tired
and really didn't seem to be enjoying themselves as much as she had
hoped.  however, she was just as entranced by this set as the rest of us,
which is really saying something.  a&e were truly enjoying playing and it
was perfectly contagious through the crowd.

by the way, if there is anyone out there that i accidentally wrapped up
in our tarp on the sprint in, my sincere apologies ... i have no idea
what came over me :) but what fun! :)

as for the rest of the music, wow!  there was so much to hear and take
in, i can hardly recall all the moments i wanted to expound upon.  (oops,
ended that sentence in a preposition...my apologies).  i think the non-ig
highlight for me had to be joan armatrading.  i had heard of her but had
never been exposed to her music.  the woman reeled me in from the second
she opened her mouth until she walked off the stage.  amy p., why have you
never sat me down and forced me to listen to her!  geez, what good are ya? ;)

ok....i'm going to stop shortly, but not until i respond to the pda
discussion.  as greg flamer (nice to meet you btw greg, as brief as it
was) said, newport had an atmosphere of safety and comfort to it that i
have not been fortunate enough to witness anywhere else.  i was thrilled
to see so many people so comfortable with being who they are, and
thoroughly enjoyed the interaction with straight people sitting around us
who were so comfortable with my partner and i being affectionate with one
another.  when i was tired, i put my head in her lap and rested.  when
she responded to ig in a much more positive way than i had expected her
to, i hugged her.  when she complained about her feet aching, i kissed
her to try and make her feel better.  and, regardless of how it may have
offended shawn or anyone else, i would do it again and not feel the least
bit of shame or discomfort in it.  granted, i hope that shawn's trouble
is with much more blatent and involved pda's than what i have described,
which i guess i agree with to a certain extent when it essentially comes
to sex on a blanket or the like.  however, the point is
that it is no one's business to judge anyone's behaviour so long as it is
not harmful to others.

anyway, that's all i have to say ... aren't ya glad? ;) it was great to
meet a few listers (deb, my diplomacy hero, and tori, and the other deb
and greg and dwayne and ann-marie and everyone else who's names are
escaping me at the moment). and darn it, don't you know it, i missed
meeting i-girl....and i wanted her autograph and everything :)

take care all,
karen

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>date: wed, 14 aug 1996 12:33:11 -0400
>reply-to: shawn linderman <shawn@xyvision.com>
>sender: indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
>from: shawn linderman <shawn@xyvision.com>
>subject: closing thoughts on pdas
>to: multiple recipients of list indigo-girls <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
>

>it's just that in growing up, i somehow acquired the attitude that pda's
>are done in private. i don't consider holding hands, or hugs, or light
>kisses to be the pdas that belong in private--those are simply nice, and
>i smile to see such happiness around me. the pdas i was objecting to were
>of the groping/stroking and deep, passionate french-kissing variety.

at the risk of sounding my age (39)and out of touch, what does pda stand for?

hugs,
deb

p.s.
is anyone having trouble figuring out which deb is posting? i was thinking i
should add something to my name. any suggestions ... and please be kind. lol

>date:  wed, 14 aug 1996 12:39:13 edt
>reply-to: deng@vnet.ibm.com
>sender: indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
>from: denise eng <deng@vnet.ibm.com>
>subject:      lewiston, ny: getting there!!! help..
>to: multiple recipients of list indigo-girls <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
>
>okay - emergency here folks: i wasn't going to go to this
>concert but as it turns out someone i know (hi sarah!) is
>going and i am now trying to figure out if i can make
>arrangements to get to lewiston.  soooo...does anyone
>from toronto know how i can get to lewiston by bus
>and/or train?!  or is someone driving there and could
>i pay my way for a ride?  i can't get tickets until
>i find out if i can get there (brilliant observation)
>so i need to know asap!  thanks thanks thanks ahead
>of time for any response (e-mail me privately),
>
>denise
>(who is trying to find the greyhound bus number...)
>
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i've been doing alot of calling to greyhound with my daughter's recent
disapearance. try this number. they can at least point you in the right
direction: 1-800-231-2222.

hugs,
deb

hey y'all! once again let me point out that the witch trials took place in
1692, not 1694. amy must have been going for the rhyme scheme in the song
unless the date has some other significance. :)

love,

jen

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the salem trials took place in 1692; nineteen women were sentenced to
hang and one to be "pressed to death" mostly due to testimony by 12 year
old anna putnam. however, witch trials took place for many years in the
end of the 17th century throughout the colonies. many hundreds of women
were killed after being "discovered" to be witches.

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on wed, 14 aug 1996, jendy wrote:

> hey y'all! once again let me point out that the witch trials took place in
> 1692, not 1694. amy must have been going for the rhyme scheme in the song
> unless the date has some other significance. :)
>
> love,
>
> jen
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i don't arrive till tomorrow but i have to leave today and see my folks.
this should be a great trip, the paralypics are like a dream come true for
me, i may be (probably will) be at the house of blues sunday. i think wendy
bucklew is at eddies too! fri or sat.
c-ya!
(thrilled)(estatic)(tired)
mike r.

one thing i've noticed about indigo girls concerts in particular
is the really nice behavior in the audience.

as i have found myself caught in the swirling twirling sea of
humanity with fellow ig fans, for instance....folks have been very
considerate of smaller people (making sure they have a good veiw and
all, letting them get in front of taller peeps....)
being of the tall persuasion myself, i am
allways checking behind me and asking if i'm ina' way...
(i usually spend most of the shows scrunched down a bit.)
..it's like a big happy family :) (it makes me feel all gooey inside :)

as for rude people..you need joe to give 'em the "evil eye" :)

as for working for that good spot.....only to find it reserved for
vips...that hacks me off too....if i remember correctly...the nojf
had a lot of them (vips) in the front and they were for the most part
surly and miserable :( (unless they were asleep !)

if anyone should have a reserved spot in the front it should be folks
who may be physicaly unable to handle standing that long in the stage crush
(or stand ..period.)
...'cause honey...thats just how it allways is at ig shows,
so *i* just had to get over it and enjoy standing for 2-4 hours :)

as for pdas....not affectionate kissin' and huggin.....but heavy petting
and exchanging body fluids......yuk.

it's like... "look at meee i have a boyfriend/girlfriend who will make out
with meee !!!!!"

how charming.

( i am reminded here of scot ninemans song.."every third word out of her
mouth was boyfriend"(boyfriendboyfriend) (but worse)

well..thats about all i have to say at this given moment in time.
except this !!!!

"what a feeling
                 to  sway
                       in your creation
                                   'till some human
                                                         swats it down.......
"
(danielle howle is pretty darn awsome !!!!!!)

binkles

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date:         wed, 14 aug 1996 21:38:18 -0400
reply-to:     kristina cizas <kcizas@cgrg.ohio-state.edu>
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from:         kristina cizas <kcizas@cgrg.ohio-state.edu>
subject:      re: review: ben & jerry's newport folk festival (fwd)
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on wed, 14 aug 1996, christopher m. becker wrote:

> an absoulte riot! i bought all three of their discs at the hmv tent,
> i think my favorite is barginville. one song they did at nff that
> they haven't recorded was the hip-folk version of green eggs and ham.
> excellent harmonies, superlative energy.

green eggs and ham is available only on their 6-song indie tape that they
sold at shows pre-bargainville. my proudest find on my last trip to
toronto was a pristine copy of it. :)

just a note on obtaining fruvous recordings: only bargainville is
available in the u.s. their other two, "wood" and "b-album" are availble
only in canada, at their shows or by mailorder. if you'd like to find out
how to order, email moxy@tvo.org.

best,
k

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in a message dated 96-08-14 20:14:42 edt, gkeyt@paul.spu.edu (gwen keyt)
writes:

<< the salem trials took place in 1692; nineteen women were sentenced to
hang and one to be "pressed to death" mostly due to testimony by 12 year
old anna putnam.  however, witch trials took place for many years in the
end of the 17th century throughout the colonies.  many hundreds of women
were killed after being "discovered" to be witches.
  >>

this is something that's always held a really strange fascination for me.
blame it on the crucible, but anyway i just found myself surprised that 19
women were sentenced in the salem trials. i'd always believed it was many
more than that for some reason.
anyway, this is an interesting thread.

rick

hi everyone,

as a new list member and ig fan from way back, i wanted to say my
hellos.  i probably saw alot of you and, of course, didn't know it as
i wasn't a listee yet.  anyway i was in a purple bandana and a
homemade tie dyed peace shirt going through the camera line three
times, just in case you saw me.  i got alot of good close-ups of a&e
and a few pictures of the crowd from the front, could be you...who
knows.  i will have these pictures on a newport pic page soon,
hopefully this weekend.

now for my two cents: loved every second. :) especially ig, suzanne
vega, joan armatrading, martin sexton, ani difranco and moxy fruvous.
i could have gone through the camera line endlessly, wish i would have
known about from the start.

more later, i am sure...
--

john cooperider
connecticut
****************
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****************
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well, i got my yearly (g) fan club mailing today!  'twas a pleasant surprise.
there is some new info.   it mentions that the shows in
the northeast are amy & emily by themselves, the shows in the southwest are
with sara and jerry, and the bumpershoot (ggg) festival show is just amy and
emily again.  it doesn't say whether a & e will have sara and jerry along for
the honor the earth shows.  thus far, i've only heard about the minnesota hte
shows, but this mailing says there's a 9/19 hte show at the supper club in nyc,
9/20-21 shows at the orpheum theatre in minneapolis and a 10/17 show at the
shangri-la studio in los angeles.
for those of you that don't belong to the snail mail fan club, here's
russell carter's and amy's messages, respectively:

greetings:

the vacation is over.  indigos have written more than enough material for a
new album.  they are going to rehearse the new songs live for practice - a
week as a duo and a week with jerry marotta and sara lee.  check the schedule.
also note the honor the earth benefit dates scheduled in conjunction with
the release of the daemon benefit album featuring many artists including
indigo girls, matthew sweet, soul asylum, toad the wet sprocket, bonnie
raitt, rusted root, keith secola and many more.  recording sessions for the
new record begin september 1st.  look for a release in spring of 1997.
check out the new k's choice album called "paradise in me" due in stores
august 20th.  indigos toured with the belgian band last year in europe.
they write intelligent, ironic pop songs.
best regards,
russell

wait...there's more!!!!

comrades,

please come join us at our practice shows. we've got a bunch of new songs...not
quite sorted out...but we figure on trying them anyway. we promise some good
jammin'...in the spirit of the dead...
power to the people and all that stuff,
see ya there,
a.r.

on the mailing i got it lists a new t-shirt available!!! "new!!! demo tour
t-shirt. proposed new album cover design on natural...$24.00"

i'm getting one!!!!!!!!!!!!!

peace and fan club mailings,

joan :p

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date:         thu, 15 aug 1996 03:51:02 gmt
reply-to:     alec heller <alec@nyc.pipeline.com>
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subject:      music and self expression,
              as well as that "ig lyrics mean to me" thing...

i thought these two things sort of dovetailed quite nicely, and i thought
i'd throw in more nonesence...

well...  i can't sing for shit, which many people find important when
expressing stuff in a song; but i play a bunch of instruments (piano,
drums, guitar and bass... need a few winds yet...) and i've been in that
sort of situation where if you sing offkey like me, it ruins the feeling...
i'll tell ya, for any of y'all who play guitar, playing "history of us" is
really special...  i don't know why...  what am i saying?  i'm thinking...
oh yeah, singing and stuff...  well, as for lala's, who cares?  i mean,
with ig more than just about anyone i know, just the music is enough.  i
can sit and play my guitar (which is incredibly painful, b/c i never change
the strings and they get rusty...  too much information...) for an hour,
just playing ig music...  sitting and playing fare thee well or ghost means
more to me than hearing it with the lyrics, or reading them, or hear
someone sing it without the music.  i don't know why, but the music talks
to me.  the question now is why i'm taking up so much bandwidth with such a
relatively useless letter.  well, i don't know, but i will say that to feel
something is easy, but to make others feel something is harder... i think
ig do it well, which is why we all love them so much, and the whole la la
thing is sort of moot, b/c a song is a song, and it's not what's said, but
how it's said..  gee, i wonder if that made any sense...  i bet someone's
already said that in less words and with a much more interesting approach
to it..  well, the other thing (there's another thing, oh god...) is that
for my submission to the what ig lyrics mean to me, i'd like to throw in a
few songs that are incredibly passionate or meaningful to me...
surprisingly enough, none of them for their lyrics...

ghost
the wood song
touch me fall
romeo and juliet
fare thee well
history of us
nashville
joking
virginia woolf
hey jesus
reunion
power of two

these are all some of the more emotionally wrenching songs for me (i don't
know the one's off boots... although i prolly should add all along the
watchtower from back on the bus...) thank you for coming, and drive home
safely, all scoreboard totals are correct.

alec

d/f# / g/ c9 / g/b

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> the salem trials took place in 1692; nineteen women were sentenced to
> hang and one to be "pressed to death" mostly due to testimony by 12 year
> old anna putnam. however, witch trials took place for many years in the
> end of the 17th century throughout the colonies. many hundreds of women
> were killed after being "discovered" to be witches.

hark!  'tis the name of ancestors calling.  yes, it's true...my ancestors
include the putnams involved in the salem witchcraft trials.  we had a
big putnam family reunion a couple of years ago in danvers (the modern
site of salem village where all of that nasty stuff took place) including
a trip to the danvers library for some authentic original source accounts
of some of the witchcraft events.  it all actually started with
rebecca nurse;  the putnams came in later.  as has alreayd been pointed
out, anyone who wasnt struictly puritan (what happend to coming over
for religious freedom??) was suspect.  hemerrhoids were considered bites
of the devil.  the putnams were involved through physical fits of
hysteria.  one of the accounts we heard at the reunion was an account
of a man in tghe village witnessing a fit by anne's mother, elizabeth.
(i have this odd feeling that the names may be reversed and i have
no texts here to double check...)

and not only women died. at least one man did (what a time for my
detailed memory to go). he was giles corey and he was literally
crushed to death..they had him lying on the ground with a board on
his chest and they kept piling rocks on it.

nasty stuff. it is almost certain that none of those persecuted (and
salem village was the only place in the country to have witchcraft
trials) were actually witches.

end history lesson :)

so tell me.

how many people are at that peeling skin phase of their sunburn from nff?

-brendan
--who has determined that not even 35 is high enough for sunblock.

* brendan white                         bwhite@lenin.cc.rochester.edu        *
* "take my hand- and lead me to salvation.  take my love, for love is        *
* everlasting.  and remember the truth that once was spoken:                 *
* to love another person is to see the face of god."                         *

     i'm definitely more of a music person myself.  in fact, if i was the
     lucky woman chosen to go on stage to sing during the nff, i would have
     been truly embarrassed cause i don't know all the words, or at least
     the right ones in the right order.  i always listen for harmonys,
     chords and melodies when i listen to music in general.  don't know why
     but that's how i naturally listen to music.

     anyway, who cares if they do get some top 40 song.  good for them.
     la-la-la or not ig is awesome and in my book they can do whatever they
     want in terms of songwriting.

holly

for the record, i have always, personally, found overt public displays
(anything that looks like it may be an immediate prelude to sexual
intercourse) distasteful, regardless of the couple's sexual orientation.
if you want to walk around arm in arm, holding hands, smooching, what
ever; fine with me. but please don't have sex (or anything
approximating) in front of me, thank you very much.

tuesday's child

hi friends,

i'm wondering if anyone knows what happens to the fan mail that's sent to
amy and emily via russel carter's office. i have two scenarios in my head:
one of mountains of letters piled up that are left unopened or skimed by
someone who works in the office, to find who to sign up for the ig fan club.
my other thought is of mail arriving, being sorted (amy's pile, emily's
pile, and a pile of joint letters) and left for them to take home and read
at their conveinience, while return addresses are used to get a fan club
list. i like to assume that scenario two is the realistic one, but all i
know for fact is that by writing to the girls, usually the only result the
fan is aware of is receiving an occasional newsletter and other fan club and
merchandise info. it leaves a lot to the imagination. i'm only asking
because before i write to them, declaring my adoration, love, and respect,
i'd like to ask if any of you have any idea what actually happens to the
letters they receive. i'm sure amy and emily value their fan mail greatly,
but i'm also sure the volume of it they get has become overwhelming over
the years, making personal responses out of the question most of the time.
still, i'm wondering if they have written back to anybody in recent history.
hmm...~abigail

>> and a contrast...the kids who came crashing up from the back
>> through the crowd for ig were very different from the ani kids...less
>> confrontational, more apologetic, enthusiasm without hostile attitude.

that's in no way true.

few years back at an ig concert at a college venue, we paid over a 100 bucks each
for a front-row dead-center seats. before the show, a high-school kid who had a seat
way back came up to me (don't know how he got pass the security). he was friendly
so we chatted. it was only when a & e were about to come onstage that he revealed
the 'true purpose' of his 'friendliness' -- to fool security checks & squeeze in on front
row between me & my friends. when we apologetically (very nicely, i swear) told
him that we'd rather he return to his seat, all his 'friendliness' evaporated into thin air.

throughout the show, he 'recruited' a few others who also sneaked pass security,
leaned standing against the stage right in front of us who preferred to sit. i mean, we
paid over $100 for the best seats to watch our favorite duo comfortably !! in the end,
it's the choice of standing up because someone invaded the view that you've paid for,
or sitting -- & only seeing amy's arm & emily's hair :-\\ .

i have nothing against the *adolescent* crowd, hey i myself was in college then. but
has any of you regular concert-goers ever encountered that kind of "friendliness" i
just described ??

i swear he wasn't an unique exception, 'cos we saw quite a number of people (both
sexes, all ages though mostly young) doing it -- as in, "mixing in the front rows &
asking to stay". maybe some of you don't mind sharing seats & so don't have a
problem with it. some of y'all must be saying it's all a part of what the ig community
is about & not to be so uptight. if i had let him share my seat, he wouldn't have turned
nasty ?? i don't know, i go to concerts like once a year, maybe it's a kind of concert
culture ???

i'm curious about the fan mail issue, as well. does anyone know?

holly

hello all!
i was sitting here trying to figure out where i could find the boot cd
history of us and then it hit me, the list can help....so here's my
question: where can i find the history of us boot that includes reverse
1 live?! where did you guys get yours from! i'm kinda anxious to find
this cd and it's about to drive me even further up the wall!
pls help me!!!! :o )

dsue@bigfoot.com

>to: wendell lee <wlee@indy1.calarts.edu>
>from: jones <jdjones@earthlink.net>
>subject: re: closing thoughts on pdas
>
>at 04:20 pm 8/14/96 -0700, you wrote:
>>>
>>> hugs,
>>> deb
>>>
>>> p.s.
>>> is anyone having trouble figuring out which deb is posting? i was thinking i
>>> should add something to my name. any suggestions ... and please be kind.
lol
>>
>>
>>how about your last name?
>>
>>
>>

in a message dated 96-08-15 00:09:20 edt, joan morrison wrote:
>on the mailing i got it lists a new t-shirt available!!! "new!!! demo tour
>t-shirt. proposed new album cover design on natural...$24.00"
>i'm getting one!!!!!!!!!!!!!

joan, i just moved and the fan club mail hasn't caught up with me. can you
post how to order a shirt? thanks! off to electric factory,
maria

it was awesome!

i'm am sure that people who are more awake then i and have the set list will
post all about it later....

2 things though...
new amy song "cut it out" or cut it all out or something.

joan jett was there and the first encore was amy and emily and michelle malone
singing "crimson and clover" with joan jett... after the song amy made a commenton how joan jett would probably never sing with them again because they messed
up her song.

in the spirit of the earth'
cynthia

hey y'all!

newport was awesome, of course! i just wanted to say one quick thing (ok,
so those of you who know me know that that's pretty much impossible, so you
might as well put you seatbelt on and get comfortable :).

i have been excited for quite a while to go on the newport road trip (from
milwaukee, wi) with the two coolest people in the world, deb reiser and greg
flamer (even if he wouldn't let sarcasm get me where i really wanted to
go... :).  and our travels together were more fun than i could have
imagined.  five sleep-depreived days straight together and not a single
annoyance or disagreement.  :)  and lots of fun, laughter, and ig.

but...  what i didn't expect so much was that i would meet and spend a great
amount of time with some of the other coolest people on the planet.  in
particular, i-girl, who drove from chicago with us and hung out with us most
of the weekend (with her oh-so-sweet pyt).  she is just as wonderful in
person as her posts, and yes she does have a real name (but you won't get it
from me :).  and of course there was the irrepressible sherlyn, who joined
our party after newport and fit in with our crazysexycool group quite well.
she even taught us how to say melbourne!  :)

just as thrilling though were the many other list members with whom we did
not get to spend nearly as much time.  all were wonderful and quite friendly
nonetheless.  unfortunately, a listing would a) be too long and b) most
definitely inadvertently skip a name.  sorry we early-to-bed wisconsinites
couldn't spend more time with ya.  :)

the crowd in general at newport was the most friendly, happy, intelligent,
and environmentally friendly crowd i have had the good fortune to encounter.
when we left the park grounds and looked back both days, there was no trash
to be found outside the trash cans. one impressive bunch of people, i must say.

so enough of rambling about the cool festival. let's just say three cheers
for the festival attendees and a very warm 'hello!' to the many list members
i met there.

as far as the ig performances, the girls rawked!!  these new songs are
definitely some of the best they have written (well, except for the
breathless fish simile which sherlyn rightfully has a bit of trouble with
:).  the new cd should be incredible.  btw, for those doing a timeline - if
i remember right, swamp was recorded in the fall and did not get released
until may of the next year.  i definitely wouldn't expect the new cd out
this year.  i certainly don't want to wait, but these things take time.

well, enough of my rambling. i gotta get to bed - my boss was making fun of
me for looking a bit haggard this afternoon, and i haven't even unpacked yet.

whatever! (resurrecting an old closing from a former non-lurker...)

:dwayne

djarrell@ix.netcom.com
"it sounds really cool to be without a care in some southern town,
but i heard there's trouble down there if you're chiapas bound"
-amy ray

okay, now that i've figured out what pda stands for, i really have to throw
in my $.02. it's really very simple, i don't think there is a thing wrong
with pdas. i'd rather see that than two people having an argument. i think
our society is very confused when it comes to sex and love, whether it's on
tv or in real life. violence seems to be an almost accepted form of every
day life, but sex is thought of as something dirty. and we're not even
talking about intercourse here, just some "petting" (for lack of a better
word). i personally have never been offended by someone showing their love
(or lust) for another person, gay or straight. i've been married for 19
years and have 3 kids and let me tell you ... i still get a little heavy
with my hub in public. i don't feel i should have to hide how i feel.
granted we're not going to have sex in the middle of a pta meeting, but that
goes without saying. i guess i'm rambling a little bit, but ... i'm not
great at putting opinions in writing. but one more thing ... i think it's
wonderful when gay folks feel comfortable enough at a place to show how they
feel physically. i can't imagine anyone having to hide their feelings. i
know a lot of you have to experience this a lot more than i do and my heart
goes out to you. and before anyone flames me for trying to act like i have
any clue what it's like to be gay ... i am. i've been there. being in a
super straight community can suck. our society really needs to wake up. i
mean, geez, if you're not hurting anyone then what the hell. ok, i've vented
enough. i could go on for pages, but i'll spare you all.

hugs,
deb (who sometimes think she has all the answers to the world's problems or
at least can identify all the problems)

does anyone have any idea why i'm getting some of your letters up to 10
times? not that i don't love your mail, but overkill is overkill.

hugs,
deb

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reply-to:     jennifer hall
              <jennifer=hall%ts=deskcall%cs=hou@bangate.compaq.com>
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from:         jennifer hall
              <jennifer=hall%ts=deskcall%cs=hou@bangate.compaq.com>
subject:      "hey get outta my way -- i'm only 5' 2" !!

well, i wasn't at nff, but was at nojf - and i started off have a decent
seat (?) / standing place (whatever), but it was so crowded by ig folks,
photographers and this dumb old guy wondering who the ig were (joe, how
does that "evil eye" go??).  but when you're 5' 2" everyone is taller then
you.  i had to keep repositioning myself in between pairs of heads.  i was
okay until this couple decided to stand right in front of me and started
swapping spit 10 inches from my face.  needless to say, i was pissed.

.... but i got them back as i whistled (and i
whistle loud) when the songs were over...

every short person should learn how to whistle loud. it does clear the
path!
- jen hall
-------------
original text
from mmedido@aol.com, on 8/14/96 9:38 pm:
to: <indigo-girls@netspace.org>

subject too long. original subject is 're: rude concertgoers, was re: ani
difranco and nff rudeness (igc, i , swear!)'

---------------------- original message follows ----------------------

one thing i've noticed about indigo girls concerts in particular
is the really nice behavior in the audience.

as for rude people..you need joe to give 'em the "evil eye" :)

as for pdas....not affectionate kissin' and huggin.....but heavy petting
and exchanging body fluids......yuk.

it's like... "look at meee i have a boyfriend/girlfriend who will make out
with meee !!!!!"

how charming.

( i am reminded here of scot ninemans song.."every third word out of her
mouth was boyfriend"(boyfriendboyfriend) (but worse)

well..thats about all i have to say at this given moment in time.
except this !!!!

"what a feeling
                 to  sway
                       in your creation
                                   'till some human
                                                         swats it
down.......
"
(danielle howle is pretty darn awsome !!!!!!)

binkles

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cynthia a. crecca wrote:

> joan jett was there and the first encore was amy and emily and michelle malone
> singing "crimson and clover" with joan jett... after the song amy made a
> comment on how joan jett would probably never sing with them again because
> they messed up her song.

joan jett was there??????????  and i missed it?????????  argh!!!!!  i can't
imagine getting to see joan jett and ig together - how totally cool!  there's
probably no way that'd happen again tonight at the electric factory.  i used
to be such a little jetthead!

- elizabeth :)

i accidentally trashed the post that talked about michelle strict(sp) crappy
attitude at newport. geoff (that's the hub) really wanted to read it as he
is a big fan. so ... would whoever posted it, or anyone that saved it
actually, mind forwarding it to me?

hugs,
deb

p.s.
and for anyone that may have missed the post i sent in: sarah is home & safe!

thanks for all your help!

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subject:      fwd: vicki brown <lvbrown@owt.com>: [art] dr. seuss

stuff to make you smile..
-------------
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from chuckhall@juno.com (chuck e hall), on 8/15/96 1:35 am:
to: <mikenilsen@aol.com>, <jhall@netgate.compaq.com>

d
> if dr. seuss were a technical writer
>
>      here's an easy game to play.
>      here's an easy thing to say.
>
>      if a packet hits a pocket on a socket on a port,
>      and the bus is interrupted as a very last resort.
>      and the address of the memory makes your floppy disk abort,
>      then the socket packet pocket has an error to report!
>
>      if your cursor finds a menu item followed by a dash,
>      and the double-clicking icon puts your window in the trash,
>      and your data is corrupted 'cause the index doesn't hash.
>      then your siutation's hopeless and your system's gonna crash!
>
>      you can't say this?
>      what a shame, sir!
>      we'll find you
>      another game, sir!
>
>      if the label on the cable on the table at your house
>      says the network is connected to the button on the mouse,
>      but your packets want to tunnel on another protocol,
>      that's repeatedly rejected by the printer down the hall,
>      and your screen is all distorted by the side affects of gauss,
>      so your icons in the windows are so wavy as a souse,
>      then you may as well reboot and go out with a bang,
>      'cause as sure as i'm a poet, the sucker's gonna hang!
>
>      when the copy of your floppy's getting sloppy on the disk,
>      and the microcode instructions cause unnecessary risc.
>      then you have to flash your memory and you'll want to ram your
rom.
>      quickly turn off the computer and be sure to tell your mom!
>
>  author unknown

funny.  i've always been surprised by the ig-fan "politeness" factor in the
audience, in every state in which i've seen the girls. . . .  too bad a bunch
of. . . uh. . . insert-your-favorite-obscenities-here. . . wouldn't shut the
bloody hell up last night at roseland, but chattered through anything amy,
emily, michelle or joan jett had to say (not that joan said much, mind you).
and talked through any song they didn't know.  and held long, loud
conversations about where this or that person might be, 'til i wanted to
scream.

which i didn't do, of course, since i was trying to hear the music.  grrrrrr.
but virginia will be better, yes?  (a friend of mine up from memphis, who has
never been north before, is now convinced that we're all a bunch of
(@#&*@&*#s.  hmph.)

venting, venting

tripping in these yellow feet (they played "hand me downs," and i didn't pass
out),
danna

p.s. sorry to have this be my first post in the last two months. i'm a bit,
uh, miffed about that handful of folks -- the same ones we've all known since
kindergarten -- who "spoil it for the rest of us." y'know?

i, too, wanted to echo the flamer's sentiments about lynn listie who sang
at the nf&ff.  she was kind, courteous, confident, and obviously having a
blast.  and sang well, too!  i was so proud to have her as my
representative.  and a&e were obviously totally blown away.  you go, lynn!

margaret

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subject:      re: lyrics

i thought the "lucky one" was named lynn????

- jen hall
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from holly tang <tangho@morgan.com>, on 8/15/96 12:13 pm:
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     anyway, who cares if they do get some top 40 song.  good for them.
     la-la-la or not ig is awesome and in my book they can do whatever they
     want in terms of songwriting.

holly

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greyhound is completely useless!
of course, if i had a car i wouldn't have had so much trouble, but
did you know: if you ask greyhound in the u.s. if there are buses
from buffalo, ny to niagara falls, ny, they will tell you there are
only three and you have to transfer to a greyound canada bus??!!!
what...?!!! i tried to say: look, i'm not going to niagara falls
ontario, i want niagara falls new york in the u.s.a - and she
goes: i know, i know...you have to transfer buses to the canadian
company... now this is dead wrong since the canadian division
doesn't serve within the us...

sigh. but thanks to 411 and my handy edition of "let's go usa"
and the generosity of ig list members i will eventually make it
to lewiston (barring any acts of god or otherwise!). my phone
bill is going to be nasty this month :)

i might mention that while i was on the phone arguing with the
greyhound agent, debbie gibson's "lost in your eyes" came on
the radio and i nearly killed myself trying to get to the
power button (specifically off). must have been an omen... ;)

this has been a truly interesting experience and all i can say is
that i hope i don't end up wandering around the state of ny for
the weekend trying to get home. of course, that could be interesting
to...

denise

just a brief note, not a review, since i could barely hear the songs...

went to roseland last night and had just about the worst concert experience of
my life.

crowded, smoky, pushing, screaming, talking over songs, rude people, beer
spilling, yelling, shoving, legs aching from standing in line for 2 hours
outside and then for 3 hours inside, people singing the popular songs so
you couldn't even hear amy and emily... you get the picture.

i have seen ig eleven times now, beginning in 1990. this was not only the
worst ig show, but one of the worst concerts i've ever been to. not igs fault,
other than their poor choice of venue... and poor choice of ticket sales (i.e.
having to pick them up at the box office before the show)

why do people go to a concert if they're just going to do everything but pay
attention to the show? especially a show like this, which sold out in minutes,
i expected to see other true fans there. it was very sad.

what about the beacon theater? the paramount? carnegie hall? 2 nights at the
bottom line? this show could have been accomplished in a much better way.

only 2 good comments: michelle malone sounded great with them, and i have
never seen amy smile so much! that was nice.

anyone else have a similar experience?

btw -- i walked out after joan jett and "closer to fine" -- did they come back
out?

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from:         annemarie farrell <debatediva@gnn.com>
subject:      re: rude concertgoers,
              was re: ani difranco and nff rudeness (igc, i , swear!)
x-to:         wyohknott@aol.com

>
>funny.  i've always been surprised by the ig-fan "politeness"
factor in the
>audience, in every state in which i've seen the girls. . . .  too
bad a
> bunch
>of. . . uh. . . insert-your-favorite-obscenities-here. . .
wouldn't shut
> the
>bloody hell up last night at roseland, but chattered through
anything amy,
>emily, michelle or joan jett had to say (not that joan said much,
mind
> you).
> and talked through any song they didn't know.  and held long,
loud
>conversations about where this or that person might be, 'til i
wanted to
>scream.
>
>which i didn't do, of course, since i was trying to hear the
music.
> grrrrrr.
>but virginia will be better, yes?  (a friend of mine up from
memphis, who
> has
>never been north before, is now convinced that we're all a bunch
of
>(@#&*@&*#s.  hmph.)
>
>venting, venting
>
>tripping in these yellow feet (they played "hand me downs," and i
didn't
> pass
>out),
>danna

i totally agree. i couldn't believe how loud the back of the venue
was being. it's a shame for all of us, who came to hear the indigo
girl's and not those people.

smiles : )
annemarie

on wed, 14 aug 1996, coop wrote:

> i could have gone through the camera line endlessly, wish i would have
> known about from the start.

the rude fans ruined that too; in the crush to see ani, security stopped
letting people in the camera line (in front of the stage, for those not there)
for pics.

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just for fun!!

the drinkers fault finding guide
================================

1. symptom: drinking fails to give satisfaction and taste; shirt front is
   wet.
   fault: mouth not open when drinking or glass being applied to wrong
   part of face.
   solution: buy another pint and practice in front of a mirror. continue
   with as many pints as necessary until drinking technique is perfect.
2. symptom: drinking fails to give satisfaction and taste; beer unusually
   pale and clear.
   fault: glass is empty.
   solution: find someone who will buy you another pint.
3. symptom: room is spinning.
   fault: somebody is spinning your barstool.
   solution: vomit on person doing the spinning.
4. symptom: feet cold and wet.
   fault: glass being held at incorrect angle.
   solution: turn glass so that open end is pointing at ceiling.
5. symptom: feet warm and wet.
   fault: loss of self-control.
   solution: go and stand beside nearest dog.  after a while complain to
   its owner about its lack of house training.
6. symptom: lap cool and wet.
   fault: drooling on yourself.
   solution: change position so that you are drooling on someone else.
7. symptom: bar blurred.
   fault: you are looking through the bottom of your empty glass.
   solution: find someone who will buy you another pint.
8. symptom: bar moving.
   fault: you are being carried out.
   solution: find out if you are being taken to another bar.  if not complain
   loudly that you are being hi-jacked.
9. sympton: bar looks like a circus.
   fault: you're at a circus.
   solution: go to a bar.
10.symptom: the opposite wall is covered with ceiling tiles and has a
   fluorescent strip across it.
   fault: you have fallen over backwards.
   solution: if glass is still full, and no one is standing on your drinking
   arm, stay put. if not, get someone to lift you up and lash you to the
   bar.
11.symptom: everything has gone dim and you have a mouth full of teeth and
   dog-ends.
   fault: you have fallen over forwards.
   solution: same as for falling over backwards.
12.symptom: you have woken up to find your bed cold, hard and wet. you cannot
   see your bedroom walls or ceiling.
   fault: you have spent the night in the gutter.
   solution: check your watch to see if it is opening time - if not treat
   yourself to a lie in.
13.symptom: everything has gone dim.
   fault: the pub is closing.
   solution: panic!!

well, roseland rocked the house.

highlights:

at about 4pm a&e walked down the block, past the 100 or so people who
were waiting in line, and into the from door of the roseland theater.
the people in line were largely like "cool," though a few people did wig
out (but, still, no one harrassed them).

the crowd was so much more sane than it was at either newport or
(especially) hampton beach. imagine: going to manhattan to find a bunch
of sane people. *confusion*

the venue would have been great had there been seating.  it was wicked
small (1500 max).  not a bad seat in the house, unless you were behind
the sound guy in the back.  there was no seating, however, so we all
stood there like sardines (in our "cubicles," as michelle malone said)
for about four hours.

i think a record number of fans bit the dust here. one guy passed out
during michelle's set, a woman bit it during the igs set, and another
woman bit it towards the end (she looked like she was tripping on
something really funky). and that was only from my place in the sardine box!

michelle's set was okay.  she looked a little altered, but far be it from
me to speculate on such matters.  i'm not a big fan, so i wasn't really
moved one way or the other.  butter biscuit was a hit (again)...  i'm
thinking of taking a bunch of butter biscuits to norfolk and leaving them
for her.  :)

ig opened with reunion, then hammer & a nail, and i don't remember after
that. the new songs continue to rock the house.

the ny crowd sang everything.  i mean, have you ever heard a crowd take
over hand me downs?  probably not.  i think emily sang a total of one and
a half verses of galileo.  it was amazing.  they even did the entire
third harmony in kid fears.

amy was really up.  i haven't seen her sing with her eyes open so much
ever before.  you oculd just tell she was having a ball.  definitely the
happiest i've ever seen her.  so that was good to see.  emily was up,
too, and seemed to be having a lot of fun.

we got a second encore (kid fears) which a&e said they "weren't ready
for." i think the crowd would have brough them back for a third if
roseland officials hadn't turned all the lights on and kicked everyone
out.

so it was a kickin' show.  not the best i've seen...  i would rank it
third of the ten i've seen.  but it was a great show.  i would definitely
go back to the roseland, and ig rock my world.  the new songs keep
growing on me..  this new album is my favorite of all so far already.
more thoughts on the new songs after my ig parade has ended, i.e., after
the norfolk show.

oh, and, you were probably wonder:  yes, i do have a boot of the show.
for new songs i rate it an a and for old ones i rate it a b+.  and, as my
friend renee says, "i'm a boot snob" because i am picky.  i am not going
to set up a tape tree for this, etc., because my life is about to get
hectic, etc.  however,  i will do personal trades in the end of september
or early october.  send me email then, please.  thanks.

ok, toodles to all in ig land.  oh, amy said they go to the studio
september first, so that is exciting.  personally, i'm hoping for a
release in the very early spring of '97.  :)

margaret

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>
> the rude fans ruined that too; in the crush to see ani, security stopped
> letting people in the camera line (in front of the stage, for those not there)
> for pics.
>
they did reopen this later on in the set.  they had to stop the line
at fisrt because the crowd pushed right up to the snow fence at the
front of the stage.  tehre was no *room* for folks with cameras to go
through/.
when the security folks tried to push everyone back they ran into
problems.  eventually the people did move back.  that's why they added
teh second snow fence on sunday and had so many guards in front of
the stage when ig played.

on wed, 14 aug 1996, kim: goddess of stuff wrote:

> at 09:54 am 8/14/96 -0400, amy wrote:
>
> >  actually, amy may indeed be referring to the witch trials.  i may be mistaken
> >but i seem to remember that some gay women were put on trial too.  if one of
> >those screwed up little girlies (the one's that blew people in for no good
> >reason) decided they didn't like you, you were in deep shit.  or i could be
> >totally wrong.
> >
> i think amy's made a very worthwhile point here.

except that the date is wrong, and the song is about immigrants, not gays.

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on wed, 14 aug 1996, jude shabry wrote:

> based on the basic disagreement between deb and shawn

i didn't comment on shawn's letter... the comments below were the folk_music
list's moderator, alan rowoth.

i saw no straight couples in pda's, but did see a few lesbian couples getting
carried away, and was offended. it was a family-oriented event, and imo such
displays were inappropriate regardless of orientation. i'm all for
hand-holding and brief kisses in such situations, but groping is altogether
inappropriate no matter who you are. i suspect that the gays who do this (i
see it at every melissa etheridge show) would never even hold hands outside of
those events, where they could express themselves in more subtle ways (holding
hands over dinner, for example) that would make much more of a difference in
perceptions of our community.

finally, i'd like to say that if i'd read shawn's message more closely, i
would've realized that he's on this list, and could have cross-posted the
message here himself if he'd wanted to. unfortunately, when i saw the message
on folk_music, i just scanned for igc and sent it on when i saw it. my
apologies to shawn for jumping the gun on that.

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on thu, 15 aug 1996, deb wrote:

> i saw no straight couples in pda's, but did see a few lesbian couples getting
> carried away, and was offended. it was a family-oriented event, and imo such
> displays were inappropriate regardless of orientation. i'm all for
> hand-holding and brief kisses in such situations, but groping is altogether
> inappropriate no matter who you are. i suspect that the gays who do this (i

yup. i agree. i was at falcon ridge folk fest and there was a straight
couple who were not only groping each other but who were doing it half on
*our* tarp. ick. get a room (or a tent, as the case may be).

k
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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kcizas@cgrg.ohio-state.edu               when the drops start dropping.
                                         when the drops stop dropping
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        i've erased this attempted message twice now.  this one for sure.
        thank you to everyone i met on the trip for making it such a
pleasantly memorable experience.  i have never, never, never met such a
lovely group of people.  and...i have left home before.<g>  sincerely.
        for those of you who didn't have the pleasure of going with, or
meeting, our fellow list members; you missed out.
'       i left home stressed, very, and came home relaxed.  i only hope i
can someday reciprocate for what i received from y'all. the non judgemental
atmosphere made the trip even that much more relaxing.
        the music was as shawn described; the pdas were as shawn wrote;
but...like someone else wrote - young, old, male, female, gay, straight -
everyone just hung together peacefully.  it really was truly awesome to me
(i am from south texas ya' know) that such an eclectic bunch sat together so
peacefully.  and the pdas weren't that bad.  a little unnerving at first to
have a couple literally pressed against you, making out, while listening to
the igs but que sera, sera. :)  i'm just glad so many people actually care
about each other.  ok - i'm wandering again.
        i've seen michelle shocked numerous times and her shows have, until
newport, always been great.  she was obviously stressed and at a loss
without her band.  i was sorry to see her flounder.  i do love her stuff and
hope she found those kids.   ani difranco was so sweet! i'm so glad i
finally got to see her live.  she's fabulous.  lisa loeb and suzanne vega
were both excellent performers and reenergized me for their music.  but the
creme - igs.  is there any instrument that emily can't play well?  (except
bass maybe ;) ) i am just in awe of her musical chops.  and amy - in great
form - with less anguished music yet still impassioned lyrics on her new
stuff.  i liked all of the new songs.  and i'm kind of thinking about dallas
now....michelle malone was quite stellar herself - i love her redemption
dream cd with band de soleil.  i'm glad they've included her on the tour.
and the guitar wars with her and emily across amy are fab - amy looks like
she just loves their jammin', then seems slightly frustrated that she can't
really join in, blows it off and goes back to being part of it all.  wow.
        i owe, i owe.  and i'll take the early shift at nff next year - if
they play. but for now, i will be at the backyard in austin - early.  (y'all
stop - i can (i think i can, i think i can) do it this time.)  fer sure.
for those who haven't read or heard - the concert line has been forming four
or five hours before the gates open.  for the austin show i'll be there at
3:30pm - i'll leave sa after lunch so i can work a half day at least.  if
you want to ride with me to austin from sa, email me and we'll plan it.
i'll be returning after the show.
        susan marine - i trashed the digest with your address - but i'd be
happy to get you another shirt.  just e-mail me which one, etc...
        extended tax returns due today - i must go start them....couldn't
let a minor thing like work interrupt my music plans.

home, restressed, and waiting for next week,

karen

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subject:      camera idiot wants to take pictures

ok.  i took 2 rolls of pictures at nojf uno concert - and none came out.
someone told me once that you don't need a flash if the object you're
taking a picture of is illuminated.  well, apparently that's not true.  at
the uno concert, i was right in front leaning against the wall that
separated the seats from the stage - - i was close.  all my pictures came
out black.  black i says ... black.  i was just a bit disappointed as all
the pictures of the zoo came, but no a&e.  i spent that night following the
instructions of the "drink problem" that was just posted by juliet. <g>

anyway, my idols are coming to austin and i wish to have decent pictures.
so, i know there are a lot of camera guru's here.  so, pray tell.. i guess
i'm to use a flash - right?  but don't they frown on flash pictures at
these shows?  i'm also using one of those cameras & film in one thingys
they sell at walmart.

what to do ??? what to do ???
- jen hall

     well, the little camera thingys you get from walmart, well, suck :)
     you need to use a high iso film if you're not going to use a flash
     (1000). i have never seen the disposable cameras sold with 1000 iso
     film. someone else may want to get more specific because i've never
     personally tried to take pictures at a concert before. i have a canon
     eos rebel xs with a huge flash that'll blind someone :) i take
     pictures in complete darkness (with 200 iso film) with my flash and
     they turn out. so my expert photo advise to you all would be..."don't
     use the little disposable sucky cameras from walmart or wherever" ;>
     they use the lowest, bottom of the line, cheapest film in them. hope
     this helps...

kira or "photo chick" as my co-workers call me :)

anyone know where it is or how to get to it?

thanks,
margaret

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on thu, 15 aug 1996, jennifer hall wrote:

> ok. i took 2 rolls of pictures at nojf uno concert - and none came out.

>
> what to do ??? what to do ???
> - jen hall

...remove the lens cap???!!! <g> no - really i sympathise - in fact
having trawled through as many web pages devoted to ig as i can find
there does seem to be real lack of decent piccies on the net - or am i
missing something?? does anyone know of anywhere?

...just wondering!

juliet.

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subject:      re: camera idiot wants to take pictures

amy, thanks for the info, but i must exclaim publicly that i know better
then to take pictures with the lense cap on.  i guess i should of expected
that.  oops.  no really, it was the camera/film thingys that you get at
walmart.  we did bring our camera to uno, but it broke, so we really wanted
pictures so we bought one in walmart.  those things don't have lens caps
anyway.  but some pictures were fuzzy and if i looked real close, i could
see one guitar.  the film wasn't exposed because you can't open them
(excluding hitting it with a rock that is..)  i did have some indication of
color and a bit of fuzz, but it was mostly black, but could definitely see
some images here and there.

>> it will bug the shit out of the performers.

that's why i wouldn't use a flash.  i didn't want to bother a&e.  but -
dammit - the uno concert was so cool with joan baez and mm.  the guard were
in full force at uno.  another reason why i didn't want to use a flash.

>> get your hands on a decent slr camera and some high speed film.

i'm not against going out and buying a camera, let's say - tonight - but i
have no idea what to buy. can you recommend a "decent slr camera" (what
does slr stand for?) that and idiot can use. i'm one of those that
terribly miss the 110 camera and can't put those damn 35mm film thingys in.
nope - just can't do it.

thanks everyone for your suggestion. <i didn't have the lens cap on.
really i didn't. geez amy, now i know you think i'm a total dingbat!!!>
- jen hall <lol>
-------------
original text
from "amy j. putnam" <pegasus@crl.com>, on 8/15/96 8:49 am:
to: <jennifer=hall%ts=deskcall%cs=hou@bangate.compaq.com>

> ok.  i took 2 rolls of pictures at nojf uno concert - and none came out.
> someone told me once that you don't need a flash if the object you're
> taking a picture of is illuminated.  well, apparently that's not true.
at
> the uno concert, i was right in front leaning against the wall that
> separated the seats from the stage - - i was close.  all my pictures came
> out black.  black i says ... black.  i was just a bit disappointed as all
> the pictures of the zoo came, but no a&e.  i spent that night following
the
> instructions of the "drink problem" that was just posted by juliet. <g>

what kind of camera was it?  a point ansd ashoot?  sounds like the lesn
cap/door was closed or on the camera still when you shot.  if you
ahd exposed the film, you woudl at least have had some color or fuzz
on the film.
>
> anyway, my idols are coming to austin and i wish to have decent pictures.
> so, i know there are a lot of camera guru's here.  so, pray tell.. i
guess
> i'm to use a flash - right?  but don't they frown on flash pictures at
> these shows?  i'm also using one of those cameras & film in one thingys
> they sell at walmart.
>

no flash>  one, if you are close to teh stage, it iwll bug the shit
out of the performers.  two, it helps the guards find you and confiscate
the
camera.  what you need to do is get your hands on a decent slr camera and
some high speed ilm.  if using a throwaway, make ure the lens isnt
covered.  good luck!

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subject:      carol noonan, my daughter's new best buddy (newport at end)

well, sort of ...

last night was the final stop on the baby tour as we went to see carol
noonan and her band at the mfa in boston.

i've put in a plug for people to listen to her music if they get a
chance, and i'll do it again.  her music is just sooo beautiful in my
opinion.  anyway, it was a wonderful show, she has the best voice and her
new band is very good.  for those who are familiar with her, she is
playing mostly stuff off her absolution album with a couple of songs from
her new album.  the only knots and crosses songs she performed are ones
that she has also recorded with her new band.

anyway,  during the break i went over to talk to her and have her sign my
daughter's book, and we ended up having a very nice conversation for most
of the break.  her mother was there along with her sister, and we were
chatting about kids, music, the indigo girls, and newport.  her mother
kept saying that carol really shouldn't play so loud because it might be
too much for the baby and how she should tell the drummer to take it
easy.  carol just said "aw, ma,  she's fine."   it was really pleasant.

then during the second set, between songs, she started talking all about
our conversation!  she said " this nice man  [ that would be me!!  : ) ]
brought his daughter emma to talk to me between sets"  and she talked
about how her mom was saying that it was too loud, so then she said
something like "so this is for ma and emma"  and she played a real quiet
song.

it wasn't quite the same as getting to go up and sing with amy and emily,
but a wonderful night just the same.

so that wraps up the baby tour:  ellis paul, patty larkin, newport
(including ig of course), and carol noonan.  all were wonderful and we
had a great time and met lots of wonderful people at each show.  we were
able to get all the performers to sign my daughter's book (except a&e)
which will be a nice memento.

harry a. keates
email: hak@crai.com

p.s.  my experience with the crowd at newport  was nothing but the best.
i couldn't believe how friendly and open people were with us everywhere
we went.  i sensed  that the release of inhibition, especially among many
of the gay members of the audience who were able to comfortably show
their affection through gentle touch in the most natural ways that they
might not ordinarily do, really contributed to the overall feel of
comfort and goodwill.  lots of people we met didn't seem to be at all
reserved about personal space, and totally allowed us into their areas or
came right into ours without the slightest discomfort.  as someone said,
it all seemed like family.   we too left a lot of valuable belongings
just sitting out as we walked around or went down to the water and didn't
worry at all.  we were further back so we didn't have to deal with people
pushing in front of us et al, but when the whole back condensed a little
into the middle as people left, it was done in a very friendly way.
also, the only rude pda i saw was between a man and a woman.  the
affection i saw between women was only the kind that would make you smile
and feel good.

i'm not against going out and buying a camera, let's say - tonight - but i have
no idea what to buy. can you recommend a "decent slr camera" (what does slr
stand for?)

single lens reflex. when you look through the eye piece you are looking
through the lens, not just a little glass hole up on top :)

kira

come on people. isn't this kind of a moot point? people who are
determined to exhibit displays of affection are going to do it
regardless of what any of us think. this is a losing battle. we can't
let every little "offensive" thing get our hackles up.

besides, isn't part of the conservative opinion regarding homosexuality
is that they find it "morally wrong and offensive?" a little tolerance
goes a long way. . .

peace-
ron

"i've got no time for anger with intimate strangers. . ."

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>from:  indigo@bbs.cowland.com[smtp:indigo@bbs.cowland.com]
>sent:  wednesday, august 14, 1996 10:05 pm
>to:    multiple recipients of list indigo-girls
>subject:       public displays of affection
>
>for the record,  i have always, personally, found overt public displays
>(anything that looks like it may be an immediate prelude to sexual
>intercourse) distasteful, regardless of the couple's sexual orientation.
>if you want to walk around arm in arm, holding hands, smooching, what
>ever; fine with me.  but please don't have sex (or anything
>approximating) in front of me, thank you very much.
>
>                                               tuesday's child
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hey y'all!

glad to see everyone had such a great time at newport :) i'm
sorry i had to miss it - next year, for sure!

anyways, i'm the person who got denise all in a tizzy about
bus tickets and niagara falls and whatnot ;)  so i guess by
now you all know that we're headed to lewiston to see the
girls (yay - my first time :-)).  i have kind of a funny
dilemma that you may be able to help me out with.  you see,
one of my list buddies, patti hearn from seattle, is going to
be at the show and i'd really love to meet up with her, but i
have *no* idea what she looks like! (embarrassing)  anyways,
are there are listers out there who've met patti or at least
know whether she's 6'2 or 4'11?  all i know is that she's
going to be there with her girlfriend (which really narrows
it down...not!)  so if anyone can help me out, a private
e-mail would really be appreciated.  otherwise, we'll be the
people trying to take over the pa system... ;)

peace,
-sarah

well:
it's time to start getting excited about ig in seattle. i think i will
bring my camera in - i don't remember anything more than a little pat-down
for glass at the entrance. don't think i will wait in line all day.
laura love band is playing after the daemon showcase. gotta see it.
amy would love her... wish i could tell her to check it out.

i procrastinated too long again and didn't get my order in for a list
t-shirt. shit.

just figured out pyt. (i think) took me about a week.

i-girl: any review on newport? would love to read what you have to say.

sarah: did you get my tapes(blank?) just checking.

for whoever it was that's looking for history of us, i can tape it for you
but don't know where to get a copy anymore.

i have been reading my bumberschedule for days now, dreaming...

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> amy, thanks for the info, but i must exclaim publicly that i know better
> then to take pictures with the lense cap on. i guess i should of expected

hey, i just mentioned it becuase with some pint and shoot cameras, you
can see as though you are taking a pic but the lens door is shut.

> anyway.  but some pictures were fuzzy and if i looked real close, i could
> see one guitar.  the film wasn't exposed because you can't open them
> (excluding hitting it with a rock that is..)  i did have some indication of
> color and a bit of fuzz, but it was mostly black, but could definitely see
> some images here and there.

this tells me that it is the camera then...bad lens,. not that throwaways
have good lenses, but this one was definitely bad.

> i'm not against going out and buying a camera, let's say - tonight - but i
> have no idea what to buy.  can you recommend a "decent slr camera" (what
> does slr stand for?) that and idiot can use.  i'm one of those that
> terribly miss the 110 camera and can't put those damn 35mm film thingys in.
>  nope - just can't do it.

an slr is a single lens reflex.  that means that in a manual camera,
if the lens cap is on *grin* you cant see through it.  more generally,,
tje term refers to any camera with manual and/or automatic controls,
giving you more control over what the cmera does.  i ahve a pentax k1000,
a totally manual ceram.  in low light, i shoot with teh shutter speed
at 1/60, so things are not terribly blurred ()no prob for peopel who
stand still, but tougher for folks like ani difrano who move like
lightning.  tehj f stop is at f4(jen i know this is greek to you
but some other folks here will knwo what i mean).  i shoot fast film.
for black and white, a roll of hpf+ pushed to 1600 or 3200.  or, kodak
has a 3200 speed blakc and whgite film.  they also make a color film,
ektapress 1600.  fuji also makes a color print film rated at
1600.  both are good.  the k1000 is a good camera, for other low end
cameras, i would recommend the nikon 6006 or minolta 3x.  canon
also has some decent low end.  but, thse will still cost several
hundred dollars.  the advantage is that you can mix auto amd manual
feature, esp with nikon (my choice).  the k1000 is completely
manual.  if you know someone with a point and shoot where you
can disable the flash and set the film as higgh as 1000, that would
preobably work too.

>
> thanks everyone for your suggestion. <i didn't have the lens cap on.
> really i didn't. geez amy, now i know you think i'm a total dingbat!!!>

not at all :) let me know if you have other questions.

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date:         thu, 15 aug 1996 12:51:20 -0400
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subject:      re: ani difranco and nff rudeness (igc, i swear!)
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on wed, 14 aug 1996, emily shu wrote:

>         here's my attempt at an explanation...  many of the younger members
> of ani's audience don't come from a friendly folk scene.  lawn chairs?
> blankets?  foreign idea.

then perhaps many of those younger members need to better educate
themselves on where they're going before going there.

> a general admission show in the pop music world is
> usually a club where getting to the venue early gets you a good head start,
> but in no way guarantees that you'll be up front. and those of us who have

i believe that in both cases, what is widely experienced is extreme
rudeness. if i get to a gen admission show 2 hours early and make my way
quickly toward the front, and then get shoved out of the way by so-called
fans who show up 10 minutes before the show starts and feel they have a
right to my spot, i don't know what else to call it but incredible
selfishness and rudeness.

> well here. i guess that newport was very frustrating for anyone who wanted
> to be close for his or her favorite artists to enjoy the music.

1) if you wanted to be close for your favourite artist, you should have
gotten there early enough to stake out a space and 2) my enjoyment of my
favourite artists is certainly hampered when people shove their way in
front of me after i've spent time and effort getting that good spot.

>         i think the misunderstandings and rudeness come as a result of
> general concert behavior norms that are not constant.  at ani shows, people
> almost always rush forward.  rock shows have mosh pits.  a lot of kids just

i don't believe that rushing forward and pushing people out of the way so
that you can be closer to the stage should ever be considered a "norm".
it's bad manners, plain and simple.

> alien asking for moxy fruvous on saturday. moxy brought the cds themselves
> sunday, and they sold out of the b-album, which can only be purchased at
> shows, right before i got there. i think i'll stick to falcon ridge and

part of the problem there was probably that mf's cds are not distributed
in the u.s. except for bargainville. hmv might not have been able to
attain them.

perry at rdr just called me to excitedly tell me that he has the
honor compilation in stock *right now* it is not officially out
until next tuesday. he has 30 pieces for $13.95 each plus shipping.
this is a 2 cd compilation, and he has it available now.

i have the good fortune of having an advanced copy.  i have only
listened to it once, but here are my impressions.  this is an
incredily cool release.  tehre are a number of tracks done by
indian musicians/groups.  the mix of  artists is quite
diverse.  i wont do a track by track analysis, but i will say
that this disc is well worth it for 2 reasons:  1) you can lend
support to the honor the earth fund.  the cd also includes a couple
pof postcards addressing some critical issues in the indian
community.  you can contribute money by buying the disc (and liner
notes have a page with other merchandise) and contribute strength
by getting those postcards into the mail.  and 2) it's a great
collection.  the first officially co-written indigo girls song....

other artists: soul asylum, bonnie raitt and david grisman,
toad the wet sprocket, bruce cockburn, exene cervenka, luka bloom,
rusted root, reversing hour (with amy guestng on vocals), victoria
williams, matthew sweet, jane siberry. the indian musicians/
groups are ulali, indigenous, keith secola and wild band of
indians, john trudell, sherman alexi and jim boyd, frank hyde and
mike jones, and joy harjo and poetic justice.

tehre is a lot of good music and good information. the number
for rdr is 1-800-636-6166. check it out.

i too find pda's highly offensive in an event that has been touted
as a good fun environment for all the family.
i have kids, and i think it's really great for them to see people
be affectionate... holding hands, kissing... that sort of thing, no
matter the sexuality of the individuals. there is far too much hatred
in this world and far too little expressed love + caring.
however i think it highly insensitive, offensive and abusive for couples,
straight or gay, to engage in heavy petting etc etc etc in a public
place in full view of anyone who should glance their way... since the
"anyone" could be a young child.
i am an adult survivor of childhood sexual abuse, and that is where my
opinion comes from. children need not be exposed to something that
they simply aren't ready to understand... plain + simple. i talk to my
kids about sex, but am careful to only give them the information they
ask for and are ready to ingest as they grow. i am *so* careful + protective
and how *dare* someone else threaten everything i work so hard to give to
them?
self control and consideration for others are good qualities to develop.
peace... kim.
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well... i figure i might as well throw in a little on my take hereof... i
know y'all are getting pissed at my wastes of your mailboxes, but this one
may even be short (i wouldn't count on it though...)

pda's, to me, are fine.  now, i'm not saying that i would be comfortable
doing something like that (which is more to do with lack of experience than
anything else... too much information, i know...) but i think that if you
want to proverbially screw around, go right ahead.  i think that if you
know you're causing someone else discomfort, you should stop, and that's
just common courtesy, but as they say, common courtesy isn't...  however, i
would say on the kids issue, that society is way to uptight about sex.  i
don't think that kids are too young to understand sex, and it's
implications.  i mean, education is the best weapon against ignorance, and
ignorance about sex in any respect can bite you in the ass if your not
careful...  i don't believe that pornography should necesarily be barred
from minors (though i think child porn is horrible and evil and all them
things...) on the grounds that if kids learned early, it wouldn't be all
that special...  i mean, sex is part of life, and to make it a kind of
forbidden fruit, be it by lack of exposure, or the magazine that's just out
of reach on the shelf, or even that "thing mommy and daddy did once", only
makes it an abstract, not a concrete.  it becomes a matter of something
like knowing that somebody is (this came up too, i think...) gay, but not
being able to know what it's like b/c that's not the way you are.  i don't
encourage depravity, and ultimately, the parent will dictate what the child
see's, which i guess is good to a point, but to go on the record, people
find that things are easier to learn than words.

gee, i guess that wasn't short... i wonder whether i'll get totally flamed
for my depravity... oh well... here's to whatever,

hugs, (but nothing to heavy, :) )

alec

hi all!

well, since no one else has brought this up, my ig partners-in-crime and
i have decided to try to arrange a list-meet after the lewiston, ny show.
we thought it would be cool to head over to the falls since they're like
10 miles away and marvel at ma nature's creation and maybe even all get
matching souvenir spoons or something :p i don't know where we should meet,
though - is anyone familiar with the venue? anyone who's interested can
e-mail me privately and we'll get this thing going :)

hugs,
-sarah

...but where is lewiston, and are tic's available? when i say where, like,
where in ny...

wondering whether he'll ever learn where he lives,

alec

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maybe the niceness is a pacific northwest thing :)
(i don't know.....)
the crowd at the uno show in n.o. was different than the
jazz fest outdoor thing (there was a certain uglyness at the
uno show that i can't put my finger on).......(maybe it has
something to do with being in the dark )
i was in the 'front lines' at the outdoor show and people
were very considerate. and i have mostly (except for n.o.)
experienced ig in oregon and washington....
.....where we are naturally sweet and good...because we
are so happy to be outside in the sun for a change (g).

love !

claire (binkles)

hello!
only 4.5 hours away and i just received a phone call from a
ticket agency that still has tickets for tonight for only $35 each! contact
me if you want more info.

-christina

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university of pennsylvania
school of engineering and applied science - chemical engineering '99
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"you may be right
i may be crazy
but it just may be a lunatic you're looking for"

- billy joel

in a message dated 96-08-15 13:37:21 edt, amy j. writes:

<< other artists:

ulali, >>

i have been scouring the record shops for relaeses by this group !!!!
does anyone know where i can get a hold of some ???????
do they have a mail order distribution thingee ?????

claire (btw..i'm busy scanning pics now and the n.o.j.f. photo album
will be up and running soon on my homepage and art barn !!!!!)
..everybody sing !!!!
"meeeemoriiiiesss.....like the cornersofmymind...."

"i can almost run, fly, listen....like the animals do...."
(laura nyro)

tax returns ???? due today ???!!!!! oh shit !!!!!!!
(can i get an extension on my extension ?????)

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i'm going to the norfolk show (yay! =) on saturday, and i have _no_ idea
how to get to the boathouse from richmond, va.  also, is anyone planning
on booting the show?  y'all have been pretty quiet about this show so
far, so i'm wondering if many listees are even going... and how early should
one get there for good seats?  okay, one more question: are pictures
allowed? <hopeful grin>  these are the questions... =)

thanks, y'all!

peace, love, and demo tours,
ponygirl (the directionally-challenged)

hey y'all... sorry for the nigc. just wondering how many of you listee's are
planning on going to the dmb concert in hershey pa in sept. i know its not
an ig concert, but the only concert i can get to for now. though maybe i
could meet up with whoever is going... talk to me! :)

tiff

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"welcome me..."
i've silently enjoyed reading many of your posts over the past 6 months or
so. i've finally decided to make my first contribution.

here's a copy of a post i made to the aol ig board last night after the
roseland concert. thought some of you might enjoy it......

greeting & salutations!!!

i am absolutely dizzy.  first newport then roseland.  time off has treated
amy and emily very well.  they seem well rested and look very forward to
their next notch in their recording belt.  tonite, amy mentioned that the
girls are planning to begin recording their next album/cd in september.

here's tonite's set list:
1) reunion
2) hammer & nail
3) don't give that girl the gun (new amy song)
4) get out the map (new emily song - amy plays the mandolin and emily plays
the banjo - imho, this is a bouncier follow-up to power of two)
5) hey, kind friend (new amy song - in newport amy introduced this song by
saying that this song was inspired by the period after touring when you
realize that you have so much s**t to pick up in your life; at roseland amy
introduced this song by saying that following a band while that band was
touring inspired this song)
6) galileo
7) hand me downs
8) leeds? (new emily solo - she plays the piano - this is a very political
song - there's a line about 16 black churches burning on tv)
9) i don't wanna know (w/ micelle malone)
10) cover of wild horses (w/ michelle malone)
11) it's alright (new emily song - has the line "it's alright if you hate me
cuz i'm gay")
12) chiapas bound (new amy solo on electric guitar)
13) tried to be true (w/ michelle malone)
14) shame on you (new amy song - both play the electric guitar - very cute
song!)
15) winthrope (new emily solo - she plays the piano.  she didn't f**k up the
beginning tonite like she did in newport.  from what i could grasp, this is a
very sad song.  it made me cry in newport.  i believe it is about breaking up
- i should find a bootleg and send it to my ex-girlfriend)
16) least complicated
(main set ends)
17)  cover of crimson & clover (with michelle malone and special guest joan
jett.  this was really a surprise.  jj looked fabulous - pink hair and all.
it seemed as if they didn't practice this song enough - probably because of
the limited time but the cover was great nonetheless and amy and emily were
having a blast playing this song)
18) cover of cut it out?  (is this a patti smyth song?)
19) closer to fine
(1st encore set ends)
20) kid fears ( the crowd sang the michael stipe parts - i love that!)
(show ends - boohoo)

overall, the show was incredible. after seeing the girls 10 times i am still
blown away and they constantly impress me with their gifts.

one complain about tonight, though...for those people who were taking during
the new songs, tsk tsk tsk. that was so rude. we were treated to a preview
of the next generation of ig hits and just because the words are not yet
committed to memory and therefore we could not sing along, it is a treat to
have the girls court us with their new material. if you want to talk during
the music stay home and listen to their cd's.

that's my recap, that's my memories and that's my gripe.
peace,
kate

hey folks!

just writing to plead with any of you who are going to the norfolk show at the
boathouse to *please* tape it! please, please, please.... it's semi-important
to me to get a good boot of it.....

okay, i'll stop now.... but for anyone who can get one, i'll be greatly
appreciative!!

thanks,

tamara : )

hi everyone.  it's me again.  from the feedback i've had, i think we should
try to implement the line-shift plan.  so, if you want to participate,  let
me know.  also, i would love ideas from people who know the seattle center
area well (i know it pretty well, but kind of fuzzy)  about areas to meet
up, or whatever.  also, i need a schedule of times and where things are,
and stuff so i can try and work out something so everyone can see what they
want to.   i can't seem to find one down here in tacoma.
also,  there are a couple of us who would like to meet up after bumbershoot
and go out.  and of course, we would love for everyone on the list to join
us.  but, we need to know if the majority of people going are over 21 or
not.  someone suggested a brewery(?)  in seattle, but if there are under
twenty-oners,  we need to find an alternative.  also,  if people up in
seattle have any suggestions,  i would love them.
let me know what you all think about all this.  also, i have to go home to
sequim for the weekend,  yoko-the subaru needs a new clutch:)  so i won't
be able to continue the count-down until monday.  sorry.  (i know you are
all getting weepy:)  love sundara

below are the orders that i have received as of today. please verify that
your order is ok. if i don't hear from you i will assume it is. also, the
list is short! i really need all of you who said you would order to get
your money to me. this is the last time this shirts will be offered, but i
need to have a minimum order of 36 to go ahead. please don't wait until the
last moment.

oh, amy and emily were given list shirts in hampton beach. i don't have
time to post the details because i'm heading out of town (again) but i'll
include them in a post about my newport experience when i get back on
sunday -- ooh, such suspense! :)

here's what i have so far:

lori collins (1) xxl
lisa vartanica (1) l
amy putnam (1) xl
jan stevens (2) xl
joan ferguson (1) xl
lorinda wright (2) l
michele henkel (1) l
elizabeth lytle (1) l

that's only 10. please get your orders in!

deb

okay,  i forgot to ask,  the other info i need is what other groups are
going to be playing at memorial stadium and at what times on saturday.  i
haven't been able to find this info.  actually,  i haven't looked toooooo
hard, i hoped someone would be able to tell me.  thanks!  love sundara

hi everyone --

while we're on the subject of, among other things, "shame on you," i thought
i'd share something amy said about it, way back in may of this year. i guess
eddie's attic, 5/30/96 must be the earliest known public performance of this
song (unless someone has heard otherwise?), which we are all predicting will
be a big hit when the new cd comes out. she performed it solo, ie. emily
wasn't there -- with michael lorant on backup vocals and drums. (i forget if
danielle howle and sheila doyle also played during this particular song.) i
didn't see them, myself, but according to the tape i heard, here is what she
had to say about the "roots" of the song:

"i saw this movie called, uh, "displaced in the new south." anybody seen
that? no. [audience laughs.] well, it's really good. it's an independent
film, and it's made by somebody in atlanta. and, um, it's called "displaced
in the new south," and it's about all the different populations of people
here that most of us don't know about. it's a really good movie. kind of
reminded me of things, and so i wrote this song about a year after i saw it."

fyi. has anybody heard of or seen this movie she's talking about? i'm not
sure about the title, but that's what it sounded like she was saying. if
anyone has or knows who made it, i'd be interested to hear any feedback or
additional information about it.

to those fortunate ones who will get to see them on this demo tour, have fun!

anna

p.s. here's a little bit of ig-related trivia: i watched and episode of real
world: london the other night (mtv asia), and guess what one of the songs
they picked for background music was? touch me fall. just some of the guitar
parts, but none of the voice parts. i didn't even recognize it at first.

i actually did profess my deep appreciation for their music and all i got back
was a f@#$%# newsletter.  it was a letter that came from deep within and i got
no response. that was 4 years ago. they are probably just getting too big to
read the mtns of mail they receive from adoring fans like all of us.  if i were
you, i probably wouldn't write to the fan mail address.  i guess you could write
and try to slip it to them in a concert setting.  they may at least peek at it.  who
knows....

abigail wrote:
>
> hi friends,
>
> i'm wondering if anyone knows what happens to the fan mail that's sent to
> amy and emily via russel carter's office. i have two scenarios in my head:
> one of mountains of letters piled up that are left unopened or skimed by
> someone who works in the office, to find who to sign up for the ig fan club.
> my other thought is of mail arriving, being sorted (amy's pile, emily's
> pile, and a pile of joint letters) and left for them to take home and read
> at their conveinience, while return addresses are used to get a fan club
> list. i like to assume that scenario two is the realistic one, but all i
> know for fact is that by writing to the girls, usually the only result the
> fan is aware of is receiving an occasional newsletter and other fan club and
> merchandise info. it leaves a lot to the imagination. i'm only asking
> because before i write to them, declaring my adoration, love, and respect,
> i'd like to ask if any of you have any idea what actually happens to the
> letters they receive. i'm sure amy and emily value their fan mail greatly,
> but i'm also sure the volume of it they get has become  overwhelming over
> the years, making personal responses out of the question most of the time.
> still, i'm wondering if they have written back to anybody in recent history.
>                       hmm...~abigail
>
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> tax returns ???? due today ???!!!!! oh shit !!!!!!!
> (can i get an extension on my extension ?????)

hahahaha i just dropped mine off in the mail today. and then after i
dropped it in the box i couldnt remember if i had signed it 4 months ago
or not. i sent my money in on april 15 but kept my forms cause i wanted to
visit some tax place to see if i paid them more than i should have. i
never got around to doing that. hehe. anyway i sure hope i signed it. duh.
oh i hope someone at the irs appreciates the stamp i stuck on there next
to the real postage stamp. it says "procrastination post. mail it late
today ... or tomorrow." and there's an image of an hourglass on it.

kristina

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subject:      re: the honor cd
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on thu, 15 aug 1996 mmedido@aol.com wrote:

> in a message dated 96-08-15 13:37:21 edt, amy j. writes:
>
> << other artists:
>
> ulali, >>

omigosh!  i can't believe somebody else knows about these chicas!!!  i saw
them at the folk festival thingy at the smithsonian mall (big lawn) last
summer!  their recordings sold out in about 5 seconds, but they have 2
songs on the native women cd that i bought: i'm going home and mother.  we
put our names on a mailing list but haven't heard anything.  however,
there is an address in the cd insert that i haven't gotten around to
writing to, someplace in new york city, maybe they could tell us
something.  i'll try to post it on monday or tuesday.

love,
karey

(erasing my sigfile cos i don't want the bandwidth police after me again)

someone mentioned that the ig song on the honor the earth cd was the
girls first "officially" co-written song. actually, they wrote "i'll give
you my skin" on the peta cd "tame yourself" together with michael stipe.

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> okay, i forgot to ask, the other info i need is what other groups are
> going to be playing at memorial stadium and at what times on saturday.

on saturday in memorial stadium (kenwood stadium) will be young fresh
fellows, reverend horton heat and the presidents of the united states of
america in the afternoon and then the seattle men's chorus, phoebe snow
and ig in the evening.

my bshoot plan if anyone cares:

   friday afternoon   -- lurk and listen
          evening     -- ani defranco (although seeing the old sex pistols
                         could also be fun

   saturday afternoon -- arlo guthrie
                         daemon records showcase
            evening   -- indigo girls (of course)

sunday afternoon -- nanci griffith
evening -- caroline aiken

monday afternoon -- john lee hooker or victoria williams

all for less than $10 a day / bumbershoot is still a great value!

mike still in seattle waiting for it all to begin

at 06:50 pm 8/15/96 gmt, alec wrote:
a whole bunch of stuff i just can't agree with... but hey, both he and
i ( and shawn etc ) are free to state our opinions ( mine are morether
mucher betterer rightest though :-)!!!!! )<----( joke, here... )

>i wonder whether i'll get totally flamed
>for my depravity... oh well... here's to whatever,

hey alec!!!!!! duck!!!!! wwwwhhhoooooossssshhhhhhh!!!!!!<---- sounds of
mega flamage rushing past alec's head...
:-)
mulling over an issue and forming an opinion on it isn't depravity... and
stating that opinion is merely exercising your freedom of speech. no sweat
here for me.
>
>hugs, (but nothing to heavy, :)   )
>
now *this* made me laugh...
peace all... kim
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
<><><><><><>
      <just kim>rcn@prcn.org
"pain from pearls-hey little girl-
     how much have you grown?"
---------------amy ray------------------
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
<><><><><><>

        hi y'all...just thought i would add my two cents to the list.
first, newport was awesome, but i do have to agree that there were quite a
few rude people at the nff, as well as roseland.
        but i cannot complain too much as i managed to hold onto my space
with well practiced elbow placement and the ever-effective "back-off" glare.
        anyway, i love the new songs!!!  i don't care whether or not amy is
slipping into a more "mainstream" style on "shame on you"...i love the
lyrics and i agree that if it does become a "top 40" song, then at least
some important lyrics will be heard over the airwaves.
        like many others, i too received a major sunburn, but actually
almost a week later, it has become a very nice tan...bonus!!!

        i'll skip onto roseland since this is much fresher in my mind...i
was one of the lucky people who once again held onto my spot at stage right
second row...perfect view of the stage and only minimal problems with crashers.
        the roseland show rocked!!!  michelle was powerful but
unfortunately, the majority of the audience spent the time counting down to
the ig showtime and no time listening to michelle.
        the set list has already been posted so i'll spare you that...amy
was wearing the same jeans as nff; faded blue with ink spots and a "lower
east side needle exchange" black and white t-shirt.  emily had on dark blue
coveralls and a blue and white striped long sleeved shirt.
        both girls seemed very relaxed and amy was definitely smiling and
enjoying herself.  the night progressed with less technical difficulties
than nff and the audience was certainly loud, zealous and singing our
collective hearts out.  however, as was mentioned before, the back of the
venue seemed to be more inclined to talk (very loudly) during the new
material and the crashers tried to advance to the front at every opportunity.
        all in all, i feel very lucky to have seen the girls twice within
one week and i cannot wait until they get back into the studio in september
and put together the new album.
        peace y'all.
                jen

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date:         thu, 15 aug 1996 18:59:55 -0700
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>         someone mentioned that the ig song on the honor the earth cd was the
> girls first "officially" co-written song.  actually, they wrote "i'll give
> you my skin" on the peta cd "tame yourself" together with michael stipe.
>
in retrospect, this is true.  but, ig seems to be billing this as their
first song written togehter.

hi! i do not mean to sound rude, and i do support the rights of gays
and lesbiand, but i am a little sick of everyone ripping on the
conservatives and republicans. i understand that i am in the minority
on this list (being a mostly republican ig fan) an i do have a sense
of humor about it (you have to laugh at yourself....) but i just
wanted to express an opinion. yes, i am a straight youn republican
woman who will vote for dole and kemp. thanks for letting me say that.
kel
--
what you are achieving is not as important as what you are becoming.
the opposite of lonliness is not togetherness, it is intimacy. (r.bach)
if you don't make dust, you eat it.
when you learn to love yourself, you will dissolve all the stones that are
cast... (indigo girls)

just wondering, on the fan mail thread...

ds/amy ray (like amy ray c/o daemon)? i've thought about this, since she seems
ink, and i'm not expert, but the jcs/arr cd i ordered from there was addressed
by her--at least it was the way i would think her handwriting would look. okay,
i know that is pretty pitiful, but what can i do? :)).

later!
amy

whoever sent a letter to the list implying that i am the "bad donna"
has a hell of a lot of nerve, and is making me really angry that i
actually have to defend myself to this list, all though i really
shouldn't have to.  for starters, mark and everyone else whom i have
made countless tapes for knows that  as soon as i get their tapes, i
get them back in the mail as fast as possible.  this instance
unfortunately was due to lost mail, of which i had sent the finished
tapes a long time ago.

i would appreciate an apology for your comment. normally i don't get
angry about such pettiness, but i really don't appreciate my
reputation being smeared.

donna

i was just wondering if anyone else had this happen.  the digest listed
below came to me with no messages in it.  i really was wondering because
someone said something regarding my post about newport and i just wanted to
know what.  could someone send me this digest or the newport etc (2) post?

thanks a ton,

john
coop@pcix.com

>subject:  indigo-girls digest - 15 aug 1996 - special issue
>to: recipients of indigo-girls digests <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
>
>there are 12 messages totalling 519 lines in this issue.
>
>topics in this special issue:
>
>  1. fwd: vicki brown <lvbrown@owt.com>: [art] dr. seuss
>  2. rude concertgoers, was re: ani difranco and nff rudeness (igc, i , swear!)
>  3. lynn listie from newport
>  4. lyrics
>  5. getting to lewiston: a vent (nigc)
>  6. roseland (speaking of rude concertgoers)
>  7. rude concertgoers,                was re: ani difranco and nff rudeness
>     (igc, i , swear!)
>  8. newport etc... (2)
>  9. nigc: drink problem?
> 10. roseland
> 11. witch trials

at 10:22 pm 8/15/96 -0400, amy wrote:
>just wondering, on the fan mail thread...
>
>ds/amy ray (like amy ray c/o daemon)? i've thought about this, since she seems
>ink, and i'm not expert, but the jcs/arr cd i ordered from there was addressed
>by her--at least it was the way i would think her handwriting would look.
okay,
>i know that is pretty pitiful, but what can i do? :)).
>

yes! someone else noticed this too! and i thought it was just me imagining
that my jesus christ superstar cd ordered via daemon was addressed in
handwriting that looks suspiciously like amy's! i was so thrilled when i got
it and realized that it may well have been written by her, i've saved the
box just in case. yes, i know this is pathetic sounding, but crazed fandom
has driven me to such extremes. ;) i too thought about sending mail to amy
through daemon, but decided that it wouldn't be worth the chance of annoying
her by overstepping the reasonably set boundries of her private life. she
has every right to want to keep her record label separate from her
professional music career, and if there's any chance that sending amy a
letter through daemon would upset her then it's just not worth it in my opinion.

~abigail
****************in the words of emily saliers:******************

"there i am in younger days
stargazing, painting picture perfect maps
of how my life and love would be
not counting the unmarked paths of misdirection
my compass, faith in love's perfection
i missed ten million miles of road i should've seen"

so sorry about those pictures and i have to agree that all disposable
cameras generally do suck...i, for you, replying to your statement that
you are a camera idiot suggest you invest in a either auto/manual slr or
a fully automatic alr or even a point and shoot with a telephoto lens(i
ust that word telephoto lightly, bc on most point and shoots, it means
from about 35-55mm)...fully manual will probably not work out for
you...brand wise i'd have to recommend nikon, i have a trusty, fully
manual slr from the late 70's and i must say it's exceptional...in most
photo magazines usually once or twice a year they put out a buying guide
that would probably be quite helpful for you...or even your local
photography shop will carry knowledgable persons to help you...but watch
out for those who think you're a stupid girl bc i have found there are
many people who think that of womwn photographers...esp. if you're
young. so, before you head to one of those places, perhaps read a
little about various cameras and such...this is all the help i can
offer, i hope it isn't all in vain...tricia

> on saturday in memorial stadium (kenwood stadium) will be young fresh
> fellows

hey these guys are really fun. if you like barenaked ladies (um, as in the
musical group) you'd love yff. they've been around forever. and they're
cool cause they played a song for me at one of their concerts many moons
ago. it was this really stupid all day event the city of seattle put on in
the kingdome. it was called kid daze or something dumb like that.
actually i still have the ticket stub and it was 6 years ago. they had
carnival rides and stuff in the kingdome. it was weird and surreal (an
indoor carnival). my friend molly and i went so we could see yff and crazy
8s (remember nervous in suburbia?). i think 50 people actually bothered to
stand around the stage when the bands played haha! (the entire event was
like a ghost town).

anyway they played beer money for me. yay! (it's a funny song) so if you
get in the front row shout "beer money" and they might play it for you too!
ok, that's all i had to say.

kristina

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the greek upon the stars http://www.az.com/~andrade

ohmigoodness!!!! did someone say something about a minneapolis show???????
i have been moping about the past few days...loving to hear the newport
stories but terribly jealous of all you folks who live on the east coast...
i was thinking the girls would never be anywhere near where i live here in
the midwest...but someone said something about them being at the orpheum in
minneapolis on september 20th and 21st....*my heart leaps into my throat
beating wildly with excitment*...could this be true? ...does anyone have
anymore info on how and where and when i can get tickets...??? ...this
major ig fan would be incredibly and eternally grateful!!!
thanks so much!
leah...

here it is y'all, straight from today's plain dealer. why the hell do they
wait so long to announce this stuff??? --rob

tickets to guthrie tributes on sale saturday

        tickets for a star-studded series of events celebrating the life and
music of woody guthrie go on sale at 10 a.m. saturday, the rock n' roll hall
of fame and museum announced yesterday.
        the 10-day celebration, which is being produced by the rock hall and
woody guthrie archives culmunates sept. 29 with a benifit concert at
severance hall.  the show is scheduled to feature such guthrie-loving stars
as bruce springsteen, pete seeger, arlo guthrie, indigo girls, billy bragg,
ani difranco and others.
        tickets for the severance show are $20, $30, $40, and $60.  they
will be available at 10a.m on sat. at ticketmaster outlets in the midwest
and by calling 241-5555 (cleveland) 330-945-9400 (akron) or 1-800-493-roll
(nationally).
        rock hall members can purchase tickets at the museum box office or
by calling the member reservation line at 1-888-588-rock, beginning at
10a.m. saturday.

**this article has been slightly edited.

hi everyone!!

does anyone have any extra tickets to the san antonio show?? one is all i
need. e-mail me back!!!!

thanks!!!

rob

>i'm assuming all the southwest shows are sold out, but miranda and i may
>actually be planning on yet another one of our crazy excursions.

carolyn and the rest of y'all,

   there are still plenty of tickets available for the las cruces and santa
fe nm shows as well as the show in mesa, az.  i just got off the phone with
ticketmaster (505) 884-0999 who is selling tickets for the santa fe show.
the paolo soleri holds about 3,000 people and to my knowledge the ig don't
usually sell out until the evening of the show.  new mexico is a very laid
back place and people don't usually rush right out and do anything.  we
have a very
"manana" (tomorrow) type of attitude here.  :)   that's why i stay.  i
called dillard's (800) 654-9545 they have tickets to the las cruces, nm and
mesa, az shows and they just told me there are plenty of tickets left for
those shows also.  i am going to all three of these shows myself so if
anyone needs info or help, drop me a line.  hope this helps.

--sunny

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donna i know which letter u speak of and i hope u didnt think it was me
saying bad things about u i was only trying to get a response cause i
wrote u before with no answer as i said in my letter i know u will make
good my dealings with u hagve always been good
hugs anthony van pyre

on thu, 15 aug 1996, ms donna m schwartz wrote:

> whoever sent a letter to the list implying that i am the "bad donna"
> has a hell of a lot of nerve, and is making me really angry that i
> actually have to defend myself to this list, all though i really
> shouldn't have to.  for starters, mark and everyone else whom i have
> made countless tapes for knows that  as soon as i get their tapes, i
> get them back in the mail as fast as possible.  this instance
> unfortunately was due to lost mail, of which i had sent the finished
> tapes a long time ago.
>
> i would appreciate an apology for your comment.  normally i don't get
> angry about such pettiness, but i really don't appreciate my
> reputation being smeared.
>
> donna
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margaret clayton <maclayto@mhc.mtholyoke.edu> writes:
> the venue would have been great had there been seating.  it was wicked
> small (1500 max).  not a bad seat in the house, unless you were behind
> the sound guy in the back.  there was no seating, however, so we all
> stood there like sardines (in our "cubicles," as michelle malone said)
> for about four hours.

<rant>

argh! argh! argh!

i had 4 tickets to roseland which i ended up selling after annoying
circumstances made it such that it would have been a royal pain for me
to go to the show. when i was on the phone with ticketbastard, they
told me the capacity of the place was 20,000!!!!

i figured if it was that huge, it wouldn't that great, anyway
(relatively speaking, of course) so it would be that much of a loss to
miss it, again, relatively speaking, and anyway, i was still going to
hampton beach.

1500!!!!

*sigh*

yet another reason to hate ticketbastard, as if we needed any more.

</rant>

-jude *grump*

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date:         fri, 16 aug 1996 00:37:54 -0500
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> but someone said something about them being at the orpheum in
> minneapolis on september 20th and 21st....*my heart leaps into my throat
> beating wildly with excitment*...could this be true? ...does anyone have
> anymore info on how and where and when i can get tickets...???

i think those dates at the orpheum are incorrect - at least for september
20th - because the igs are the headliners playing at northrup auditorium on
september 20th as part of the honor the earth cd release concert. how do i
know this? i bought tickets at ticketmaster on august 3rd at 10am when they
went on sale to the general public. 4th row center! :)

obviously, that doesn't mean they won't be playing in the area the
following night, but i'm thinking they won't.

eddie

lawyerman's world wide web page | calendar of kansas city area music
http://www.sky.net/~eml/ | http://www.sky.net/~eml/kcmusic.html

i have nothing against fiscal coservatism, per se, i am a strong
supporter of the concord coalition ( a bi partisan group)...but i do
not consider the dole/kemp economic plan viable....i have
allready been through that with reagan, as governer and president...
the rampant greed unleashed by "trickle down" economics was devastating.
as a young girl, fresh out of college i saw half of my monthly income go to
people getting wealty on real estate speculation (through rent).
yes, people got rich...but from where i sat, as a lowly professional
color lab technicain, it was mostly the ones at the top...who didn't
do the work...as we were squeezed harder to increase their profits.

what i really can't get past is social conservatism.....as a gay person
i feel personally threatened by the republican party.....no amount of
"warm fuzzies" will make me believe that people like me aren't wished ill
by the party.....one only has to read the platform.........just this last
week an air force colonel was dragged into court and threatened with
losing her pension as well as jail time because she may have loved
another woman...this is just plain wrong and the republican party supports
it.
( the platform states clearly...
homosexuality is incompatable with military service)

most of all....i can never forgive ronald reagan for the countless
people lost to aids as a direct result of his inaction and active suppression

of research. this was, quite simply, genocide.

as was the murder that ran rampant in south america which was supported
and perpetrated in no small fashion by the reagan backed contras.
most every day in the 80's i walked by the window of the storefront in
san francisco's mission district that displayed the photo's of the
dissapeared
and murdered people of el salvador and i was ashamed of my country for
facilitating it.

fiscal coservative ? yes. social ? no !

i say this as a gay woman who is also a small business owner .
(aren't sb owners supposed to be conservative ?)

i urge you to re-evaluate your party...and work to change it's dark heart.

respectfully,
claire
" i walk the streets, where disrespect has been
the sins of politics, the politics of sin
the heartlessness, that darkens my soul........."
(laura nyro, 1970)

we are desperately trying to find out if the indigo girls have any plans to
tour england in the near future. anyone who could give us any information,
it would be gratefully appreciated.

thanks a lot

carey.
carey.green@earth.ox.ac.uk

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department of earth sciences
university of oxford
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on fri, 16 aug 1996, carey green wrote:

> we are desperately trying to find out if the indigo girls have any plans to
> tour england in the near future. anyone who could give us any information,
> it would be gratefully appreciated.

...me too!!! any news anyone???

by the way i've just heard on the melissa etheridge list that julie
cypher is 4 months pregnant!!! apparently she announced it on aol last
night!! exciting stuff - good luck to both of them!!

later!

juliet

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subject:      concert list - - a cross-post from the newsgroup

got this from max on the newsgroup. he seems to have all the info...

============================================================

"here is the weekly repost of dates for the current demo tour and
additional honor the earth dates.

i have to make one apology here really quick. i just noticed this
afternoon after looking over the latest mailing from the fan club that i
had been putting in an incorrect date for one of the minneapolis shows in
september. i went back to my original notes and i noticed that i had
indeed posted slightly incorrect dates. i'm sorry for any inconvience or
runaround that might have been incured by someone looking for tickets for
that show. i did notice a differant venue listed for those shows and have
made corrections to this weeks listings.

once again...sorry for getting things just a wee bit incorrect.

max...

btw...notes on the demo tour. amy and emily are performing as a duo up
til the boathouse date. the southwest us portion of dates are amy, emily,
sara lee, and jerry marotta performing. (to anyone that already has the
latest mailing from the fan club...i know...the info is there :) ). just
a reminder...if you haven't gotten on the snail mail list for the
mailings of the fan club, which you should definitly do...

indigo girls
c/o russell carter
315 w. ponce de leon ave, suite 755
decatur ga 30030
usa

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date  city/state        venue                        other info
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
08/15 philadelphia pa   electric factory
08/16 lewiston ny       art park
08/17 norfolk va        the boathouse
08/20 austin tx         the backyard
08/21 san antonio tx    white rabbit
08/22 dallas tx         bronco bowl
08/24 las cruces nm     nmsu student center
08/25 santa fe nm       paolo soleri ampitheater
08/27 mesa az           mesa ampitheater
08/31 seattle wa        memorial stadium              bumbershot fest.

_______________________honor the earth shows______________________________

09/19 new york ny supper club
09/20 minneapolis mn orpheum

09/21 " " " "

10/17 los angeles ca shangri-la studio

these are the dates as of aug 15, 1996

source: monterey peninsula artists
indigo girls fan club newsletter/postcard
(a couple of dates confirmed through independant sources as well)"

hello..

1) i will be booting at the boathouse. do they frisk? are there
seats? what is security like?

2)  does anyone know how to get there?  we are driving all the way from
massachusetts (!!) and don't really even know where virginia is.  no,
just kidding.  we have determined where norfolk is but we don't have a
clue as to where the boathouse is.

3) i have this sneaky suspicion that my friend who i'm supposed to be
staying with saturday night is going to flake out. does anyone have room
to put up me and another listee for the night if she does?

many thanks,
margaret

from jen hall's note about demo tour dates:

09/19 new york ny supper club -- honor the earth show

i haven't been to an honor the earth show, what does it consist of ?
also, does anyone know the address of the supper club ?? and, how
do you get tickets for this show ??

thanks ! sue

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date:         fri, 16 aug 1996 07:44:35 cdt
reply-to:     jennifer hall
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from:         jennifer hall
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subject:      melissa e. newsgroup

does anyone know if there's a me newsgroup? if so, can i have the news
address?

thanks,
- jen

allright, let's get organized....who is going, what seats are we
getting(that is if you want to sit together) etc? idon't know about
you, but i'm calling tomorrow for my ticket so hurry up and respond! kel
--
what you are achieving is not as important as what you are becoming.
the opposite of lonliness is not togetherness, it is intimacy. (r.bach)
if you don't make dust, you eat it.
when you learn to love yourself, you will dissolve all the stones that are
cast... (indigo girls)

i did not mean to get into an argument over politics, because i am not
sure that this is the place, and obviously we disagree. claire, just
because i am a republican, that does not make me a monster. i also thought
it was clear that i don't agree with everything the party stands
for.i'm sorry that we don't agree, but i respect your opinion and your
right to have it. all i was trying to say is for people to be a little
more careful and thoughtful of the diversity of this group before
openly thrashing republicans. sure, i can laugh at myself, it just got
a little old. kel
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what you are achieving is not as important as what you are becoming.
the opposite of lonliness is not togetherness, it is intimacy. (r.bach)
if you don't make dust, you eat it.
when you learn to love yourself, you will dissolve all the stones that are
cast... (indigo girls)

for those of you who are, like me, lamenting the dc show that it now appears
will not happen, there are still plenty of seats left for the show at the
boathouse in newport news, va., just 3 hours away. it's a saturday, folks,
what're you waiting for?!

now if i could just get someone to give me directions, and/or tell me a little
about the club, i'd be all set...

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the concert last night was amazing! i ended up 4th row back, right in front
of emily. (no, i didn't push anyone out of the way.) the whole ride home we
couldn't believe how close we were to them.... well, that's it, just wanted
to say it was great.
--jamie

i too, would be interested in those directions and info on tickets.
i am new to the group, could anyone tell me if a dc concert is definately not going to happen.

mary
mroul@aol.com

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
for those of you who are, like me, lamenting the dc show that it now appears will not happen,
there are still plenty of seats left for the show at the
boathouse in newport news, va., just 3 hours away. it's a saturday, folks, what're you waiting
for?!

now if i could just get someone to give me directions, and/or tell me a little about the club, i'd be
all set...

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<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

boathouse info below. note that it's in norfolk, not newport news as i said
previously. still a short drive from dc to see ig on this short tour.

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boathouse
119 park avenue
norfolk, va 23502

box office information phone numbers

(804)622-6395

box office hours

box office is open night of show only and doors open 1 hour
prior to show.

payment accepted at box office

cash only.

will call

     pick up tickets one hour prior to show. customer must
     present the actual credit card used to place the order and a
     photo id.

directions

     from virginia beach: take 44 to norfolk following 264 west.
     take waterside drive exit. make a right turn at the first light.
     take the next right on union street. make a right at the
     next stop/yield sign.

     from richmond/hampton: take i-64 east to exit 264, take
     waterside drive exit. make a right on union street. take a right at
     the stop/yield sign.

parking

parking is $2.00 and plenty available.

general rules

no cameras or recorders are allowed.

children rules

no age restriction but must be 21 to drink.

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date:         fri, 16 aug 1996 08:42:26 cdt
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from:         jennifer hall
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subject:      list meeting in austin
x-to:         fagan@austin.ibm.com

plans have changed a bit. list members can meet at the backyard at 3:00.
the backyard concert is general admission, so we're a bit concerned about
getting there late and being the 999th person in line. here's what karen
robinson had to say about the backyard - it's big...

>> the backyard holds around 1800 people. its a great venue and we are
>>assured seats closer to the front merely by the fact we bought tickets to
>>seats. <g> but i would like, for once, to get up front...

we're meeting at the backyard at 3:00, and if there's no line, we'll go for
dinner. if there's a huge line, we'll stay put.

i've been asked for directions. i'm not familiar w/ austin, but here are 2
different sets of directions i was given ( i'm coming from houston). here
are the directions...

directions from dan perkins....
get on i-10 take i-10 to highway 71. stay on highway 71, this
will take you into the south part of austin (near where i live!).
when you are in south austin highway 71 is also known as ben white =
blvd. stay on highway 71. at the junction of ben white blvd and south =
lamar you will take the highway 71/290 exit. take highway71/290 west. =
you will pass a builders square on your right. this lets you know you =
are on the correct road. about 3 or 4 miles down you will come to a "y" =
intersection. this is were highway 71/290 split. you want to take the =
right hand split and stay on highway 71. you should immediately go past =
a shopping center with a mcdonalds and a world gym. stay on highway 71 =
for about 5 miles. you will go past the f.m. 2244 junction, and then =
about 1 or 2 miles after that is the backyard. if you get to the 620 =
junction you went to far.

directions from trant....
the easiest way to get to the backyard in austin is to take ih 10 to
columbus,
then take 71 to austin. stay on 71 all the way through austin and continue
on
71 for about 20 min outside of austin. the backyard will be on your left.

unfortunately, the parking lot comes before the building so it is easy to
miss
the parking lot and have to turn around and come back to it. the backyard
is
just to the east of 620, so if you go all the way to 620, then your about a
quater mile too far.

a helpful hint. in austin, 290 and 71 are the same road. they split at the
"y"
in oak hill. you want to take the right hand fork at the "y". the
backyard
is about 15 min's from the "y".

hope this helps. see ya on tuesday @ 3:00.
- jen hall
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from fagan@austin.ibm.com (jim fagan), on 8/16/96 8:33 am:
to: <jennifer=hall%ts=deskcall%cs=hou@bangate.compaq.com>

jen:
any plans firmed up yet? i just got my tickets, and want to know
what the scoop is.

>
> a&e are on their way to austin, and dan perkins and i want to meet some
of
> ya!  remember, the concert is this upcoming tuesday (the 20th).  i know
dan
> posted this, but since he's off the list, i thought i'd try to gather
some
> folks.
>
> hope to hear from ya'll,
>  - jen hall
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hello all....
     just waking up from last night most amazing, incredible show. it
was nuts... third row center!!! could not have wished for anything
better. they played a great set filled with all the new songs... i
don't want to post a set list because i don't remember the entire
thing... michelle malone (sp?) was a lot better than i expected... is
she the third indigo girl???:) she was on stage almost the entire time
the indigo girls played... don't get me wrong there was nothing wrong
with her playing with them...
    we got there at 4:00pm... and got third row seats... i was happily
surprised... we waited after the show out back by the bus to meet the
girls, but they went out the front door... figures... but my friends
were making a phone call and the security guard told them to wait if
they wanted to see them.... they were the only two people to meet
them...
    does anyone have a boot!!!! i would pay (even though it is wrong)
any amount of money for a copy of this show... trust me it was a
mazing!!!! if you do i have other boots to trade... you name it
anything you want...
    if any other listees were there... i was the anoying one that kept
screaming the name "sulli" during the show... she was the really cool
girl that tunes the guitars during the show... so when all you goto the
other shows scream "sulli" when she comes out she loves it... tell her
ray says hi... there will soon be the "sulli" fan club look for it... i
didn't have a camara but if someone could please take a picture of her
for me it would be greatly appreciated...i got her to sign my t-shirt
(which are okay.. nothing great)... "who is victoria sara?" that was
the shirt that i was wearing and the guy next to me kept screaming it
during the show...
    well that's it... e-mail me if you saw me or heard me and look for
"sulli" at the concerts!! have fun...
    -ray

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in a message dated 96-08-16 08:59:10 edt, maclayto@mhc.mtholyoke.edu
(margaret clayton) writes:

>
>2)  does anyone know how to get there?  we are driving all the way from
>massachusetts (!!) and don't really even know where virginia is.  no,
>just kidding.  we have determined where norfolk is but we don't have a
>clue as to where the boathouse is.
>
>

i am attaching a mail i received from a helpful newsgroup poster who sent me
directions to the boathouse. i don't know how to get there from mass., but
i'm sure you can find your way to i 95....

hope this helps!

-sheri : )

\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\

  _       _ ------ _               o      |....when you learn
{  ~\_/         o   \    o  o           |to love yourself
{  ~ _   ]          <  o                 |you will dissolve
{_~/  \ _        _ /                    | all the stones
             v-----                        | that are cast....
   seaphish@aol.com               -amy ray
/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/

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subj:   reply to: re: ig tickets!!!
date:   96-07-19 20:50:10 edt
from:   staci_j_1@wow.com (staci j)
to:     seaphish@aol.com (seaphish@aol.com seaphish@aol.com)
=0d
sheri,
=

sure i'm always happy to help a ig fan. here's the best directions i can=

give you. =

=0d
=46rom i 70 it looks like you need to go down i95 to 295 around richmond =
to i64
east.  you should follow 64 until you get to the 264 exit.  you need to
follow 264 (to norfolk)  all the way until it splits. right takes you to =
the
downtown tunnel, but you want to stay left, which takes you to waterside
drive. stay in your right hand lane and at the first light, take a right.=
  as
soon as you make that right (st. pauls blvd.), make another immediate rig=
ht
(cant remember the name of that road) and follow it around.  there will b=
e
parking garages on either side.  this road splits off and you have to bea=
r to
the right hard.  you should see harbor park stadium.  the boat house is r=
ight
behind it.  if you have any trouble once you get to downtown norfolk, jus=
t
follow the signs for harbor park. good luck. it's gonna be a great show!!=
see
ya there.   peace, staci
=0d

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ok, i'm not positive yet whether i'll be there or not, but if i do it will
probably be with my dad, and possibly friend and brother. my dad's making
his decision today, so i should know before tonight. if i do go, i'm
wondering if anyone's familier with severance hall, and what the seats are
like. i'm thinking of opting for the $60 ones, mainly because this is
probably the biggest concert i'll attend this year, and even though it's
steep, the lineup is so amazing i want to have great seats, plus i'm not
sure how much of the tickets i'll have to pay for, (probably $40 worth if i
want the $60 seats.) so anyway, if anyone has any info on what seating is
like, please e-mail me asap. also, my dad's main concern about going is that
it's an awful lot of driving (16+hours to get there and back) to do in a
weekend, so if there are any other drivers from around milwaukee who are
interested in going, could you also e-mail me quickly so we could maybe work
out a driving arrangement? thanks everyone, hope i get to see any of you in
cleveland!

~abigail

****************in the words of emily saliers:******************

hi,

i just wanted to plug a local philly band that occasionally plays other
east coast cities: june rich. june rich is often compared to the girls,
but i think they have a distinct sound--great harmonizing too! i ran
into one of the lead singers at the ig concert in philly and got her
autograph!

:-) marianne

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in a word, amazing!  ig were unbelievable!  having been at the roseland show
the night before i thought philly was 10 times better.  the acoustics in the
electric factory were better than roseland and their set list was better.
also, the crowd was better behaved and not so damn pushy-- they were also
alittle more subdued.  (there isn't anything like a ny fan.)  at roseland,
it was really shoulder to shoulder; philly actually had some breathing space
and it was well venitlated with fans and open windows. but maybe they heard
about the women dancing in their bras at roseland so they thought they
should keep it cooler!  go girls!!

the set list included all of the news stuff they played at roseland and the
following "oldies":
(not in the order of play)
least complicated
prince of darkness
tried to be true
ghost
closer to fine
three hits
galileo
chickenman
wild horses
..and the news stuff

they were unbelievable and looking very happy with themselves...i think amy
should bottle that passion and sell it!!! yea!

i call "shame on you" as the hit from the new album!

peace.

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hey donna,

my post was meant as a joke, didn't mean to hurt your feelings and sorry
if it did. actually, you've even made a tape for me on one of the tape
tree branches :)

peace!

donna

on thu, 15 aug 1996, ms donna m schwartz wrote:

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              "anne holderried" at aug 16, 96 11:28:10 am

hi,

i was on the balcony in the corner. i could see
behind the stage when amy would walk off during emily's solos. just seeing
her standing in this doorway, almost like she was meditating....

so cool!

:-) marianne

the philly show was *near* perfect. had sue g. been there it would have been
perfect! so i guess roseland wasn't all bad! :)

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she wasn't meditating...she was thinking about me! ha! (i wish.)

peace & ig,
anne

at 11:52 am 8/16/96 -0400, marianne alves wrote:
>hi,
>
>i was on the balcony in the corner.  i could see
>behind the stage when amy would walk off during emily's solos.  just seeing
>her standing in this doorway, almost like she was meditating....
>
>so cool!
>
>:-)  marianne
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hello everybody!

i just wanted to add to anne's list of songs from last night.

- i don't wanna know

by the way, i was right up in the front row off to the side a
little and i couldn't have asked for a better place!

in i don't wanna know - the line because i said goodbye....

i waved and amy and emily looked right at me and smiled!

christina

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"you may be right
i may be crazy
but it just may be a lunatic you're looking for"

- billy joel

hey all,

am glad somebody enjoyed the philly show... having come from an incredible
weekend at newport, i found philly to be less than fun. of course, i was way
in the back, standing the entire time, barely able to hear michelle malone
(everyone talked during her set), had muddled sound during igs (plus, more
talking!), and was hot, sweaty and smoke-filled when i left.

on a positive note, the audience rocked (and the girls let us sing many parts
of various songs) and i got a map t-shirt! and, only being with a few
thousand folks was nice, but i really didn't care for the electric factory as
a venue.

a few queries: i left during the encore. what did they play after shame on
you? (did amy offer any more clues re: 1694?) and, any idea why they started
so late (mm didn't start 'til after 8:30 and igs around 9:30).

also, did anyone catch the "in studio" interview/performance of the girls on
y-100 on fri am? it was early (8:15 am) and i was barely awake so i can't
imagine they were. think they were taped the day before? they did blood
quantum and it's allright and of course i was at work and didn't have a tape
recorder, just a little desk radio. anyone tape that brief session?

wishing i was back in newport,
maria

oh yeah, i agree that sulli's cool.  more info on her!  and, seeing that they
did it's allright on y-100, the line about "it's allright if you hate me
because i'm gay" actually got airplay (i never thought it would).  just not
sure many others heard it.  here's hoping they play those studio songs again,
maria

well, i will officially not be at the concert on cleveland. this is based
mainly upon my receiving the wrong show date, mainly from ticketbastard! the
woody guthrie celebration concert is on sunday, sept. 29, at 7:30 pm not on
the 28th as i had been previously informed, therefore making it impossible
for me to get back in time to rejoin the real world on monday. i am really
dissapointed, but thought i'd pass on this info to anyone who may be
attending. i'll spare you all the details of my sadness at having just found
out that i won't be going, but for anyone who is going, have a blast, wish i
could be joining you.

~abigail

****************in the words of emily saliers:******************

ok, so in theory, getting from milwaukee to minneapolis shouldn't be totally
out of the question, so i called to try and find out info about the "honor"
benefit show. apparently there aren't any ig shows scheduled at the orpheum
theatre, but if anyone's been informed otherwise, please let me know. so i
called ticketbastard once again, and found out that the best seats i could
get for the sept. 20th show at northrup are in the 34th row. could anyone
advise as to whether it's worth it? otherwise, if anyone has extra tickets
that are closer to the stage, please let me know, i'm looking for two. thanks.

~abigail
****************in the words of emily saliers:******************

in a message dated 96-08-16 11:40:43 edt, donna writes (to donna):

<< hey donna,

my post was meant as a joke, didn't mean to hurt your feelings and sorry
if it did. actually, you've even made a tape for me on one of the tape
tree branches :)

peace!

donna >>

well.... donna enjoys a minuete, the ballet rous and crepe suzete.....
but donna loves the rock and roll a hot dog makes
her loose control !!!
what a wild duet !
but they're donna's !!!! identical donna's and you'll find..........
they look alike they walk alike sometimes they even talk alike......
you can loose your miiiiind !
when donnaaaaaaa's are two of a kiiiiiiind !!!!!!!!!!!!!

ahem....just had to get that out of my system

binky
(who was awakened at 6:30 am by some landscape
contractors who thought that was a really good time to
fire up the lawn mower and leaf blower....what's up with that ???)

hi all! just a quick note to let everyone know i made it here safe and sound
and that i have email without any problems! so write me if you need
anything!
take care and keep me posted with any news
rob

wow, i thought it was a saturday too. i have sorority meetings on
sunday nights...maybe i can get out of this one...but we'll see. maybe
i can still go-let me know of anyone else going, i haven't heard a
thing. kel (who just got her hair cut pretty short-i am not sure if i
like it...)
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if you don't make dust, you eat it.
when you learn to love yourself, you will dissolve all the stones that are
cast... (indigo girls)

mariavee@aol.com wrote:

> am glad somebody enjoyed the philly show... having come from an incredible
> weekend at newport, i found philly to be less than fun. of course, i was way
> in the back, standing the entire time, barely able to hear michelle malone

i was in the back too, but had a great time.  for michelle's set i was upstairs, and
could see and hear fine, then we went back downstairs but in the back, where we could
breathe and have room to dance.  a few times i thought people were being noisier than
they needed to, but not too much that it was unbearable.  and i was wearing my newport
shirt, so other people who were there kept coming up to me and that was fun.  all in all
i loved the show and all the energy and all.

> a few queries: i left during the encore. what did they play after shame on
> you? (did amy offer any more clues re: 1694?) and, any idea why they started
> so late (mm didn't start 'til after 8:30 and igs around 9:30).

no more clues, per se, but i pretty much think it's just the idea of being a year about
the time of lots of immigration of the ancestors of the people who are here now,
protesting immigration, and it being the year that rhymed the best.  but i could be
wrong.  i'm blanking on what song was between shame on you and closer to fine, but there
was one.  i think.  i'm still sleep-deprived.

> also, did anyone catch the "in studio" interview/performance of the girls on
> y-100 on fri am? it was early (8:15 am) and i was barely awake so i can't
> imagine they were. think they were taped the day before? they did blood

yes, i taped it.  i don't know how well or if it came out yet though, because i hadn't
had time to check the tape first, and then i left it running while i went to work.  but
if it came out okay i can make a few copies for people.  the part i heard on the way in
to work, after they'd done their songs, was barsky talking about some grad student in
california who'd shot up his thesis committee, and amy and emily's comments in the
background - also their comments on the couple who met in a christian chat room and are
getting married without ever having met.  i'm hoping it all came out.

they weren't taped in advance though - they'd said beforehand how they'd been up late at
the show and then nice enough to come into the studio the next morning.

- elizabeth :)

hi, i'm russ from the honor the earth campaign. there seem,s to be some
questions about the show--here are the facts

when: september 20th , 10 1996 its a freiday show time 7:30 pm

whre: northrop auditorium at the university of minnesota campus, minneapolis,
minnesota

who: bruce cockburn, indigenous, sherman alexie with jim boyd

oh, and the indigo girls

tickets:  at ticketmaster 612-989-5151 $23 and $25--plus service charges
           which we have neogtiated with tm and ar e as reasonable as can
             be expected

there are still good seats left--this is an old ballet and cals classical
music theatre--all seats are pretty good--if you don't like the 30th row
main floor the lower bacl balcony and mid-balcony is good--the balcony is
steeply raked and the main floor has a moderate rack

i think its a great place to see shows and have done and seen many there
way back to the late 60s including the gratefaul dead; bob marley; johnny
winter; bonnie raitt; etc.

if you have any more quexsions email me at omi@dexmn.com
peace, russ

hello to all -

k.d. lang
september 8
nashville, tn @ the ryman auditorium

first of all, let me say that it stinks not being able to go.  i would hate
for these tickets to go to waste, so i am hoping someone on the list can
use them.  the tickets are $34 each, and that includes all ticketbastard
charges.  postage is not an issue because the tickets are already in
nashville.

so, anyone interested, please reply and we can work out an exchange.

peace,
holly

so, i was considering the thought recently posted about the year 1694 from
shame on you being a representation of the immigrant experience and i had a
thought. we all know that amy's lyrics are all usually significant of
something important, and not just thrown in to make a line rhyme. so, that
makes me think that maybe 1694 was the year her ancestors came to america.
she is after all from a 5th generation georgian family so that would make it
likely that her family could have come over that early. it's just a theory
that popped into my head and while i can speculate that it makes sense, we
don't have any proof, but what do you all think?

~abigail
****************in the words of emily saliers:******************

hi,

last night at their show, hootie & the blowfish went into the first verse of
ctf in the middle of one of their songs. i had heard rumors that they had
previously done this, but i was incredibly impressed to hear it first hand.
it almost made me feel a little better about missing the philly show....

also, nanci griffith opened and she was terrific, except for the fact that i
had to listen to some 14 y-o brat in back of me complain about it. hootie
invited her out a few times to play with them. all in all, the conert was
great- 3 encores : )

hope to see some listees at the norfolk show tomorrow....

-sheri : )

\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\

  _       _ ------ _               o      |....when you learn
{  ~\_/         o   \    o  o           |to love yourself
{  ~ _   ]          <  o                 |you will dissolve
{_~/  \ _        _ /                    | all the stones
             v-----                        | that are cast....
   seaphish@aol.com                -amy ray
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or how about

hey donna its me im sorry crap cant think what i had in my headthis was
gonna be to hey jesus

on fri, 16 aug 1996 mmedido@aol.com wrote:

> in a message dated 96-08-16 11:40:43 edt, donna writes (to donna):
>
> << hey donna,
>
>  my post was meant as a joke, didn't mean to hurt your feelings and sorry
>  if it did.  actually, you've even made a tape for me on one of the tape
>  tree branches :)
>
>  peace!
>
>  donna >>
>
> well.... donna enjoys a minuete, the ballet rous and crepe suzete.....
> but donna loves the rock and roll a hot dog makes
> her loose control !!!
> what a wild duet !
> but they're donna's !!!! identical donna's and you'll find..........
> they look alike they walk alike sometimes they even talk alike......
> you can loose your miiiiind !
> when donnaaaaaaa's are two of a kiiiiiiind !!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> ahem....just had to get that out of my system
>
> binky
>  (who was awakened at 6:30 am by some landscape
> contractors who thought that was a really good time to
> fire up the lawn mower and leaf blower....what's up with that ???)
>
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hi folks.

i'm back, sorta, after a week of being a complete indigo bum. i only have a
minute or two before i go off to do some more bumming around, so i'll make
this brief. first of all, nff, roseland, and philly were all unbelievably
amazingly neato. i'll share more later. ;) second of all, on the "i'm gay"
thread, it's emily's song "it's alright" and the whole verse is: "it's alright
if you hate that way. if you hate because i'm different, hate because i'm
gay." and then something something, "and it's alright" very nice. great crowd
reaction. then there are two big moments in shame on you (aside from the fact
that the whole song is amazing.) the first is when amy sings, "my friend
(tanner?) says, 'me and jesus, we're of the same heart. the only thing that
keeps us distant is that i keep fucking up.'" [lots of crowd noise follows]
and then the line about, "and when all the beautiful women walk right by i
never know what to say" but the good part isn't the line so much as amy's face
when she sings it. she gets this adorable little embarrassed smile on her
face, and she turns _bright_ red. :) :) just doesn't get any better, folks. :)

i'm sure you've already heard most of this stuff from other people already,
but i haven't been here, so i wouldn't know. :)

i'm just teasin' y'all with tidbits anyway,

folkisgruven,
lorindigo
driving...

lorinda wright            "...and we walk in the world of safe people
lw01@lehigh.edu            and at night we walk into our houses and burn."
lehigh university                                - dar williams
bethlehem, pa

i will not be complacent

"jump, jangle, jiggle and rock. fly through the sky. sail across the top.
spin out, give out, give in. you're alive!" -melissa ferrick

does anyone have the ig performance at mtv unplugged on tape?! just
wondering, i'd never heard of them appearing on the show before!

i'm probably going to be hammered for this but it does take a straight, young
republican to vote that ticket. and i must say it makes me kinda sad. if
you support the rights of those of us who are different, how can you vote for
those who have expressed their intent not to?

i should also say i live with and love a moderate republican who i think will
again be forced to vote a democratic ticket because her party does not
support her or her rights as an american in this country or a human being on
this planet.

michelle

in a message dated 96-08-15 22:52:36 edt, you write:

>hi! i do not mean to sound rude, and i do support the rights of gays
>and lesbiand, but i am a little sick of everyone ripping on the
>conservatives and republicans. i understand that i am in the minority
>on this list (being a mostly republican ig fan) an i do have a sense
>of humor about it (you have to laugh at yourself....) but i just
>wanted to express an opinion. yes, i am a straight youn republican
>woman who will vote for dole and kemp. thanks for letting me say that.
>kel

in a message dated 96-08-16 09:05:33 edt, you write:

>10/17 los angeles ca shangri-la studio

never heard of this place. anyone know the details or ticket info?

michelle

hey all,

hope everyone is having a good day.

well now you can get your very own copy of ig at the newport folk fest.
hope you like it.

here's the set list:

side 1
least complicated
don't give that girl a gun
get out the map
tried to be true
wild horses
bury my heart at wounded knee
the edge - michelle solo
shame on you

side 2
winthrop-emily on the piano
hey kind friend
it's alright
chiapas bound
i don't wanna know
galileo
--encore
down by the river
closer to fine

like most boot trees, look for your zodiac sign and send that friendly
person a message with a request for the boot. they'll send you their
snail mail and then you'll send them a blank 100 minute tape with a sase--
return postage is about $1.01, give or take a couple cents.

when they receive the tape, they'll dub it and then send you back your
tape in your envelope and then everyone is happy. :)

zodiac sign name email

aries           bon             bonster@alaska.net
taurus          rob             phite@cybergate.net
gemini          deb             doobie@student.umass.edu
cancer          liz             bregalad@zipcon.net
leo             amy             astaples@email.unc.edu
virgo           shelly          smoore33@ix.netcom.com
libra           stacy           mooch@arias.net
scorpio         kellie          kdeis@kent.edu
sagitarrius     melissa         hdtx97a@prodigy.com
capricorn       sundara         smurphy@ups.edu
aquarius        elizabeth       chocobo11@aol.com
pisces          chris           guinione@aol.com

outside the us:

asia            anna            ahidalgo@fc.emc.com.ph
canada          denise          deng@vnet.ibm.com
europe          susan           susan.b.marine@dartmouth.edu

any questions or whatever, feel free to mail me.

enjoy!

carolyn

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subject:      nicg - the entire me aol transcript

hopped on and off the me list for the aol list where me announces that
she'll soon be a mom..

austin only 4 days away and still counting..
- jen hall
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original text
from sooz911@aol.com, on 8/16/96 5:04 pm:
to: "multiple recipients of list mlether" <mlether@vm1.mcgill.ca>

here is the entire transcript for me's aol event last night. she was right
on
time & was on about 45 minutes.

enjoy!! susan

onlinehost: welcome melissa etheridge to aol live!

melisssaa: hello everybody!

aolivemc13: let's start with this question:

question: melissa, you are the greatest. when can we expect you in
southern,
ca and will you play orange county again? adrienne.

melisssaa: i am not getting to california until the end of the tour in
dec.
don't have a date yet. please forgive any typos, typing for myself. next
question?

question: where do you get your inspiration for the cover songs that you
do?

melisssaa: cover songs, have to mean something to me musically and
lyrically.

question: i just love when you play the piano but you don't seem to play
it
often enough at your concerts. why is that?

melisssaa: hmmm. well, honestly it is hard to carry a piano around and i
haven't really fit it into the show yet. maybe next time around.

question: what is your favorite part of a live concert?

melisssaa: my favorite part is the audience always different, my favorite
song is "ltwid."

question: hi melissa! when you wrote "precious pain," how long were you
feeling that precious pain before it finally subsided? do you think of that
pain when you sing it?

melisssaa: well, sometimes i still feel that precious pain, i wrote that
about 10 years ago, things are definitely better now.

question: hey melissa, i am tracy albright, it is wonderful to finally
meet
you in a cyber kind of way. why in the "no where to go" video do you use a
gibson as opposed to your ovation? hi julie, i love this video, it is
wonderful. you should make them all!

melisssaa: julie's not with me right now, although she may be on line
somewhere. i will tell her. i liked the gibson because it had a "road"
look.
i really wouldn't take one of my nice guitars out in the desert.

question: when did you seriously think of going into the business?

melisssaa: i always wanted to, it turned from a child's dream into a
serious
want as i grew up

question: what is your ethnic background?

melisssaa: ethnic? hmm, i'm english i think, my relatives were too poor to
keep a family tree.

question: melissa, when will you be performing in so. cal and where? also
i
know you performed at que sera, but did you perform at vermie's in pasadena
or robbie's in pomona?

melisssaa: yes to all three, california in dec. where? i do not know yet.

question: hi melissa! are you ready for the us tour? gosh! we missed you!

melisssaa: tour starts tomorrow in syracuse. i am very excited! i will
play
the east coast and then go to the michigan, ohio, illinois area in
sept.-oct.
then i will go south in november to georgia, florida etc.. then start
making
my way west. i am sorry i do not have exact dates.

question: melissa, word is that there is a big announcement coming from
you
very soon. can you give us the scoop?

melisssaa: oh yes, very very big news. all i am going to say is, mon.
julie
and i will announce that julie is 4 months pregnant that's all about that.

question: you seem to write a lot about being hurt. do you see yourself
writing more about the great side of love in the future?

melisssaa: well as my life is going, i will, but i will always write about
the many human experiences.

question: if you get offered the role to play janis joplin in her
autobiography will you take the role?

melisssaa: yes, i am talking to "people" right now, it looks like we might
film in the summer of next year.

question: are you going to have an opening act on tour?

melisssaa: no, not this time around. i am going to play for about 2 1/2 to
3
hours.

question: i'd love to learn to play guitar with even a hint of your
passion.
what advice can you give to aspiring melissa-wanna-be's?

melisssaa: be strong, do not be afraid of your power. rock!

question: who or what inspired you to write" come to my window?"

melisssaa: *****julie***** being away from home so much and the problems
it
causes.

question: was it difficult putting a video together that was directed by
and
also starred your gf?

melisssaa: nope, easiest video i ever did. hard work but so much fun.

question: melissa, i really like your music and would like to know what
cover songs you are planning for this tour? and by the way the new video is
excellent.

melisssaa: thank you. well, no cover songs. i've got 50 songs to choose
from
of my own, and i know people want to hear more from "brave and crazy."

question: do you find it hard to do every day things now that you are
famous?

melisssaa: no, i love the everyday things now, it only gets hard when
people
stop me or stare at me. i like to shop, eat, go to movies, all of that.

question: in your songs you discuss the american dream and your dislike of
it, yet you seem to be a part of it. what do you think about that?

melisssaa: hmmm, well i think i am a part of it. we all are. i just think
we
have to open up as a country to more tolerance. that is the only way we can
remain strong.

question: hi melissa. i have seen you in concert 3 times and am looking
forward to seeing you 8/20 at the fleet center in boston. the song "the
letting go" is one of my favorites. i was wondering if you would be
performing it on at the fleet center?

melisssaa: oh my, that is one of the "piano" songs, i didn't bring it with
me so i won't be doing it, sorry.

question: do you enjoy working with other female artists like in your
duets
special with jewel, sophie b, and joan osborne? it seemed as if it was a
special night.

melisssaa: very much. i love women power. i had a great time. i would love
to do more of it.

question: will you ever solo more on "crazy" (or any other song) you have
great fingers and great instincts. i really like what you do for those 8+
measures.

melisssaa: still working on trying to find place for me to solo. i really
am
a "rhythm girl."

question: where do you find the inspiration for your lyrics? so many are
full of loneliness and anger.

melisssaa: i find it from life. from what i see and feel. often that has
been loneliness and anger. hope too.

question: when you lived in boston. did you ever sing at the pier
restaurant? if i am not mistaken i saw you in the very early 80's there?

melisssaa: wow, yes. i used to play the brunch, me and french toast, those
were the days.

question: what is the story behind " the boy feels strange?" also "silent
legacy?" we love your music! see you on the 7th at u mass amherst, ma!

melisssaa: story? do you really want the "story"? not enough time or space
here to tell you the story maybe somewhere else.

question: melissa, i heard a private demo of "out of my mind!" was
wondering
why you never recorded it?

melisssaa: wow, that was an old one. julie actually really likes it. i
find
it too "pop" for me. maybe someone else will record it.

question: are there any writers who have an influence on your songwriting?

melisssaa: yes, by the way, maybe i'll get the "stories" on the mein web
page. joan armatrading, joni mitchell, bruce.

question: melissa, in regards to your videos. julie made a fantastic
video.
ntg, why did we have to wait years to see her work of your music and you?

melisssaa: maybe you meant writers. julie is that you? lol. she is very
busy.

question: i read an article where you said that you promised you wouldn't
tell where the songs that are on your latest album came from, but how about
just telling us. we won't breath a word?

melisssaa: lol, right.

question: melissa, do you have a web page? if so what is your address?

melisssaa: yikes, i don't know the address of hand, maybe someone out
there
has it?

question: are you going to appear on the "rosie o'donnell" show in the
near
future?

melisssaa: oct. for rosie's show.

question: will you be writing any material for any movie julie might do?
i'm
so envious! <hint>.

melisssaa: i am very open to that, but it would be right.

question: melissa, do you notice what people are doing in the audience
while
you are playing? you seem to have eye contact with everyone in the front
rows. however, in the back, it doesn't quite make it.

melisssaa: sometimes i can see the people, but i can feel the one's in
back.

question: melissa, i've heard that you do charity work. how do you decide
what to do?

melisssaa: it is very hard. the issues that are personal to me. aids
women's
issues, gay and lesbian those are my priorities.

question: in 94 at the at the univ. of minn., you used their drum corps.
was
this the spur of the minute thing or did you do this everywhere?

melisssaa: totally of the moment! one of the most favorite moments of
mine.
we saw them practicing outside, brought them on!

question: just saw new video on vh1. why was one verse cut out?

melisssaa: length. sad but true. it was just too long for them and some
radio stations.

question: which of your videos do feel represents what you wanted to say
in
a particular song? is there a video you've done that if you could, you'd
pull
never to be seen again?

melisssaa: videos are tough, i try not to have them "interpret the songs.
i
do not regret any of them.

question: melissa, hi from a long-time fan in winston-salem, nc. did you
have a hard time with bar chords when you first started playing? i have an
ovation. i am getting very discouraged. any suggestions?

melisssaa: yes, i have very small hands, practice! callouses will come!

question: will the movie version of "i will never be the same" ever be
released?

melisssaa: maybe on some type of compilation.

question: have you done much with alternate tunings on your guitar? or do
you prefer to stick the raw rock blues style? tell us about your ovation.
ever played a taylor?

melisssaa: stick to the rock blues style. ovation just fits! i have many
of
them. taylor? no, but toronto has. (private board joke).

question: what prompted you to get so close to the edge of the stage for
irly in canada? there were so many people grabbin' and shakin' you in
quebec.
it scared us.

melisssaa: i don't ever get that close unless i feel safe, don't worry
about
me, i've got big security looking out for me.

question: any advice for young women just discovering their alternate
sexuality?

melisssaa: believe in yourself and what you feel. your power will come
from
that.

question: why did you replace your drummer? do you plan to work with him
in
the future?

melisssaa: maybe, kenny is the greatest rock drummer ever. it is a really
great opportunity.

question: melissa. does julie really collect bowling balls?

melisssaa: yes, many different colors. they are beautiful all over the
lawn.

aolivemc13: time has really slipped by, we have time for one final
question.

question: hey "missy"! how do you feel about being such a big part of
people's lives, knowing that you sing all our hidden and swept under the
rug
feelings and emotions? i love that you have the power to do that. you've
allowed me to laugh and cry. thanks, love you.

melisssaa: you are the best fans, i appreciate your love of my music.
thank
you all. i will be careful of the responsibility.

aolivemc13: many thanks for joining us and taking our questions, melissa!

melisssaa: thank you. see you soon!

aolivemc13: thanks for being with us this evening and asking such great
questions. good evening!

aolivemc13: http://fanasylum.com/melissa.

onlinehost: there is the web address.

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date:         fri, 16 aug 1996 17:33:38 edt
reply-to:     "christopher m. becker" <cmbecker@space.mit.edu>
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              mowery" at aug 16, 96 4:52 pm

> i'm probably going to be hammered for this but it does take a straight, young
> republican to vote that ticket. and i must say it makes me kinda sad. if
> you support the rights of those of us who are different, how can you vote for
> those who have expressed their intent not to?

no candidate could ever be everything to everyone.  when i voted for
clinton in 1992 i held my nose becase i knew he would say anything if
it was politically expedient at the time.  its a matter of
prioritizing what issues are most important to you, and voting
accordingly.  if for whatever reason, lower taxes are more important
for you than basic human rights for gay folks, then you are very
likely to vote for the dole ticket -- even though you believe in both
issues.

personally, i haven't decided whom to vote for yet -- clinton or the
liberatarian candidate (the fact i don't even have a name indicates i
have some research to do ;)).

i really do see a parallell between the human rights campaigns of the
1960's (racial discrimination) and the 1990's (sexuality
discrimination). it actually encourages me somewhat. then i wonder
what our kids will point out to us in 30 years....

-- chris

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i was thinking about whoever's comment  (sorry, bad memory on names)  that
possibly 1694 refers to when amy's family came over to america, being that
she was a 5th generation georgian, or whatever.  so i was thinking about
that, and then i thought (light bulb goes on over my head)  possibly, she is
also referring to racism in her own family as well as the obvious reference
to racism in the police, immigration officials, or whoever.  or maybe she's
talking about racist views that previous generations of her family held.
hmmm.... just a thought.  also,  where is gainsville anyway?  could this be a
possible clue to what she's singing about?
15 days till bumbershoot!!!!
love sundara (from her mom's account in sequim,  i just couldn't live with
out you all for two days!)

gainesville is in florida...hope that helps. personally i have no
idea. kel
--
what you are achieving is not as important as what you are becoming.
the opposite of lonliness is not togetherness, it is intimacy. (r.bach)
if you don't make dust, you eat it.
when you learn to love yourself, you will dissolve all the stones that are
cast... (indigo girls)

ok, i am only posting this cause i know this discussion pops up every once
in a while. it's about the cracker barrell restaurant chain and the
boycott against them for their hiring/firing practices concerning gay and
lesbian workers. we were talking about this on another list and a woman on
the list has a daughter who works at the cb in atlanta. she printed out
everything we said and her daughter took it into work. anyway here is what
she wrote back:

"well, i did it! i sent in all the cb discussion with kira to work and she
asked the general manager about their corporate policies. he was very
surprised to know that anyone still thought cb was practicing that
homophobic discrimination. he says that it was true in the distant past
but the high level employee who generated the policy and forced it's
employment had been replace years ago. there is no such policy in practice
any longer. he, himself, had been forced to fire several employees at that
time, so it was happening. but they are good corporate citizens now and do
not discriminate."

personally i think once a company changes their policy then the boycott
was successful and it should be dropped. does anyone know differently? and
i mean first-hand current knowledge, not something that happened to a
friend-of-a-friend 5 years ago. thanks :)

kristina

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trying to read andrade@az.com
the greek upon the stars http://www.az.com/~andrade

at 12:36 pm 8/16/96 -0400, you wrote:
>also, did anyone catch the "in studio" interview/performance of the girls on
>y-100 on fri am? it was early (8:15 am) and i was barely awake so i can't
>imagine they were. think they were taped the day before? they did blood
>quantum and it's allright and of course i was at work and didn't have a tape
>recorder, just a little desk radio. anyone tape that brief session?

yes!!! i heard it too! unfortunately, all i heard was a 1 minute part of the
interview, and i got blood quantum on tape. does anyone have the whole thing
on tape?? im kicking myself. i usually listen to this every morning, and i
didnt today of all days, until really late. hmph!

tiff

in a message dated 96-08-16 18:48:21 edt, you write:

<< gainesville is in florida...hope that helps. personally i have no
idea. kel
-- >>

:) there's also a gainesville in georgia if i am remembering correctly. . .
near a place in georgia named cleveland. :)

rick
went there to visit the relatives & saw the cabbage patch hospital too....

teddy bear hugs to all y'all who helped me get tickets for the honor the
earth concert in minneapolis...not the greatest seats, but who cares...i'm
going!!!!! *yay!*
*..just wanted to say thanx...
leah...

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hey all, got this from radar rose, good stuff happenin'.. pass it along!

take care,
brooke

>from: radarose@aol.com
>date: fri, 16 aug 1996 18:37:00 -0400

>hello my friends!  just a little update on what's up with radar rose.
>
>don clifton, the sax player who has been doing some shows for about a year
>with us, has decided to take a little hiatus.  we will miss you don!  (hey
>everyone!  when you see don, whisper "psssssst quit your job!"  it'll be
>fun!).
>
>booking agent deal:  some nice folks have opened up shop in roanoke with
>nashville and more connections.  full circle management is working with radar
>rose to book some dates this fall and winter.  we're looking forward to
>building a great foundation and who know what the future holds?!  welcome to
>roanoke gang!
>
>roanoke poetry slam:  our amazing poetry slam team has slammed their way
>through several regional bouts to qualify for the nationals in portland,
>or!!!!!  they leave aug. 20 and get back on the 27th!  wish them luck and
>good vibes you all!  also, they have killer slam tshirts with nixon and elvis
>shaking hands on the front and the backs says cool stuff.  only $10!   they
>are selling them to finance their trip (portland's a looooooooong way from
>roanoke).  email maria kusznir at mkuszner@roanoke.infi.net to order.
>
>one more slam item:  after four years of poetry slamming  at the iroquois on
>the first tuesday of the month.....the event is being moved to the full moon
>cafe 107 market sq. (near books, strings & things)  call 342-4593 for
>information.  please try to make the first one in our new home!
>
>radar rose in the news.....radar rose just got two more cool reviews!
>
>the first is in richmond, va!  written by bill craig (formerly of the
>richmond times dispatch and the one who gave us the cool review when we
>opened up for richie havens in richmond), it appears in "the 9x" which is a
>nice magazine put out by plan 9 records who have stores in richmond,
>charlottesville and harrisonburg.  you can get our cd there!
>
>"folk tales -- authentic music for ordinary folk
>by bill craig.....also reviewed:  disappear fear, greg trooper, bill
>morrissey, honorable mentions:  ani difranco; dilate,  radar rose; one dozen
>live roses  you probably have a little money left over from your trip to the
>beach or disney world.  so, as we head into the home stretch of summer and
>get ready to head back to school, consider investing in some of my favorite
>summer
>listening......some of the summer's best finds.
>radar rose "one dozen live roses"
>      whenever you find a female or two, an acoustic guitar, some powerhouse
>drumming, and lyrics that aren't completely based on rhyming words,
>comparisons to the indigo girls and melissa etheridge can't be far behind.
> and, while the roanoke-based quartet may share some similarities with their
>better-known sisters, you'll hear more power and less preaching in this live
>album of radar rose originals than on the typical indigo girl or etheridge
>tune.  plus, the group has a couple of things nobody else has - the killer
>lead vocals of jane gabrielle and anastasia mooney's magical flute!" bill
>craig, 9x
>to comment by email: brownmm.ix.netcom.com
>
>(thanks bill!  and we were reviewed right next to ani difranco-practically in
>the same breath!!!!!)
>
>the other review is a "dirty linen short" from the international music
>magazine for folk, electric folk, acoustic and world music called dirty
>linen.  this one goes....
>
>"radar rose one dozen live roses  1995
>the latest release from virginia's radar rose is a live album recorded at the
>coffee pot in roanoke.  they are a good band-their high energy and solid
>musicianship are well-showcased on a live album.  though jane gabrielle's and
>anastasia mooney's vocals are a bit too full of indigo girl-emotion at times,
>fans of the band's studio work and energetic live shows will undoubtedly love
>the album."
>ee, dirty linen, aug/sept. 1996
>to comment by email:  paul@dirtylinen.com
>
>(thanks to ee too!  we will try to avoid any "indigo girl emotion" in the
>future.  you know, like...anger, hurt, disappointment, envy, spiritual
>renewal.  please.)
>
>don't forget upcoming shows ya'll:
>august 17  full moon cafe, roanoke, va (540) 342-4593
>august 18  the bridge club, moneta, va (540) 297-5750
>                   (call first!!!!!)
>august 23  the coffee pot, roanoke, va  (540) 774-8256
>august 24  gabby's, bluefield, wv           (304) 327-9569
>
>august 30  the melting pot, campbell avenue, roanoke, va
>             (all ages show!!!  with guest mystery max masinter!!!)
>august 31  stickstock, jefferson national forest....all day, all
>              night music and fun, camp out.......you know it's always
>               a great bring a dish family time at the radar rose
>               tent....come one come all!!!!!
>
>the open mic showdown begins at the full moon cafe in roanoke, va on
>september 4th!  call jane at (540) 343-5343 or billy or jimmy at the full
>moon at (540) 342-4593.
>
>website:  http://www.mindspring.com/~water/rose.html
>(don't forget you can get our cd through the site by ordering from rainy day
>records!!!)  the site is getting some updates including some human rights
>links, more musician links, etc.  more stuff on local artists who have
>contributed to the site.  also, there will be a way to pull up the tour
>schedule and access a map that will show you exactly where the club is!!!
> updates will be done by august 27.  thanks to brooke robertshaw our
>webster for all her wonderful and knowledgeable magic!
>
>(p. s. sonny has his own email address now at:
>sonnysmile@aol.com)
>
>quote of the day:  "you become what you think."
>                                                   mahatma gandhi
>
>
>have a great weekend!
>
>peace & roses
>jane, mike, sonny and anastasia

"you become what you think" -mahatma gandhi
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"with enough energy there's nothing that can't be healed-- hatred...war.
it's just a matter of coming together with the right vision."
-fr. the tenth insight by james redfield

hey all ...

just a quick announcement ... i booted the nyc and will be offering it up to
the list in a couple of weeks ... i'm going to a few more various concerts
over the next week, and want to get all my boots in order afterward .... then
start a massive taping ... i'll also have the new hampshire boot ready then
too :)

please hold off any requests until i make the "i'm ready" announcement ....
just letting everyone know :)

also - desperately looking for a boot of the philly show ... a friend of mine
went and is dying for some audio memories :)

chris

someone offered me a boot of the atlanta pride concert and i can't remember
who. i'd love to have it ... so please offer again.

hugs,
deb

hey all! i found this really cool web page! tells ya who is
gonna be on tv in the upcoming week (like interesting musical
guests....).

the address:

http://www.satchmo.com/rockontv/

according to this page:

aug. 19:  joan armatrading on rosie o'donnell
aug. 22:  rosanne cash on rosie o'donnell
aug. 24:  joan osborne on sat. night live
i might actually have to watch tv next week!

ann

--
what a waste it is to lose one's mind or not to have a mind at
all is being very wasteful.
-dan quayle

a couple of people have asked me to post ordering info regarding the new
demo t-shirt, so here it is...

"new!!!  demo tour t-shirt.  proposed new album cover design on natural."
$24.00  available in sizes l and xl.  make checks payable to indigo girls
fan club and mail your order to indigo girls fan club c/o russell carter,
315 w. ponce de leon avenue, suite 755, decatur, georgia  30030.  be sure to
write "merchandise order" on the front of the envelope for faster handling.

i recall reading where someone on the list bought a "map" t-shirt or something at
one of the recent northeast shows.  since the artwork for the shirt is the
proposed album design and i've heard that the new album may be called "map,"
i'm wondering if these are the same shirts?  could someone who has bought
one of these shirts at one of the shows possibly tell us a little about the
shirts...like give us a description?  (not that it matters, cause i've already
ordered mine...but it would be nice to know what to expect!)

peace and thanks...

joan :)

        good morning y'all...i noticed that a couple of listees had some
questions about the borders of daemon in regards to amy.  i know from
experience that she likes and appreciates fan mail sent to daemon as long as
it is in reference to the record company and not ig.
        as far as getting a response from amy (or emily) as an indigo girl,
your best bet is to keep sending letters via snail mail to russell carter's
office.  as long as you're not offensive, too invasive or overly persistant,
you will eventually receive an answer.  it takes a while, but it does happen!!!
        good luck...jen

i am on my way out the door to norfolk for the show tonight, but just =
wanted to let everyone know that i will be offering copies of the philly =
show to everyone. the tape is not ready yet, so do not respond to this =
message. once i get back and get it all together, i will post another =
message letting everyone know that it's ready, how long the tape is, =
etc. at that point, we can get started.

later-
deanna

apoligizing for my wind beneath my wings comment. it _was_ from a distance
which is a julie gold tune. opps.

michelle

igc in the sense of i'm gonna see them in...10 hours!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  we're
heading off to norfolk...how amazing is it that they come to a random city in
virginia, two hours from my house!  sorry, guys, i can't keep myself from
posting this...you all would actually understand my hyperactivity...i've
never seen them live, and i'm so so soooo excited!  i can't believe my luck!
i woke up this morning and couldn't go back to sleep, so i just lay in bed
and grinned :)  i'm wearing my list t-shirt, so any other listers going, say
hi if you see me...i'll be with two other listers, plus my mom and sister (a
family thing ;).  eeekkk!!!  i'm gonna see them!  okay, i'll stop...thanks
for reading this...:)
katy

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it is rather funny isn't it that the more we go down this tangent of
republican and/or conservatism than more and more people are 'coming out'
about being republican, or 'i know this person who is a republican'.  i
ask you is it really that bad or are we happy with the idea that
some
people can justify disliking, dare i say hating or loathing, an entire
group of people based on a set of beleifs they have or a philosophy they
subscribe to.  that seems a little hypocritical and counter ig.  we say
that we are open-minded and all of that but are we?  sometimes i wonder
about that.  this is not meant to put down, belittle, or attack anyone but
just as a conversation starter, to make people think, and to show people
that they are alot more like the people they are constantly talking bad
about.

hey -- so did anybody else get tix to the "hard travelin' " woodie guthrie
tribute?...  i was at ticketmaster before 10am this morning, and the first
tickets to come up on the computer once the show became available were
standing room only!!!  so i asked the lady to try again, b/c i thought maybe
it was just a fluke, and the show was sold out!   this was within a _minute_
of going on sale!  all i can say is, this show better be good.  i'm really
looking forward to it. :)

--- lisa

i found this article in a newspaper when i arrived in newport last friday:

indigo girls just can't say "no" to newport.
by andy smith
the providence journal-bulletin
friday august 9th 1996

fans of the ben & jerry's folk festival - newport has come to expect that
festival will end with the indigo girls on stage, invariably accompanied by
a slew of guests sitting in.

last year, the girls announced they were taking a year off from touring, so
it looked as though the folk festival might have to get along without them
for the first time in six years.

but when spring rolled around and the lineup was announced, there were the
indigo girls on the bill. (festival producer bob jones said the indigo
girls' manager contacted him to say they wanted to play.)

"we're waiting for the year when they say 'look, you guys, you just can't
play this year.' it's possible to stay too long," said indigo girl amy ray
in a phone interview.

but it's unlikely the indigo girls will wear out their newport welcome
anytime soon.

for one thing, there's a genuine fondness between the girls and festival
productions, which puts on the festival. for another, the indigo girls are
a very strong draw, with highly devoted fans, such as the ones who stayed
put in the torrential downpour of 1992.

"the people who run it (the festival) have created a great environment,"
said ray. "mostly what i like is hearing everyone else play. there's a lot
of jamming and camaraderie. it's a real relaxed atmosphere."

the indigo girls always welcome other artists to share the stage, and
usually cap it all off with big singalongs that recall the spirit of the
old newport folk festivals in the '60s.

"we go around and knock on dressing room doors and say okay, this is the
song we're gonna do, so come on up." we got our start thanks to people who
let us play with them, or during the breaks between their sets, and now we
want to return the favor," ray said.

(among the other acts at the festival this year are joan armatrading, john
hiatt, suzanne vega, ani difranco, bruce cockburn, michelle shocked and
lisa loeb.)

the indigo girls, consisting of ray and partner emily saliers, are
returning after taking a year off with a batch of new songs to try out.

"we need to go out in front of people and see how they work," ray said.
"we're going to play a bunch of clubs in the northeast and southwest,
basically just to practice. we don't have anything real polished - we're
just jamming a lot... we'll try to do about half new material when we play
newport, plus the old favorites. we're using the audience as guinea pigs."

during their year off, ray put together a benefit album for native american
environmentalists that includes cuts from matthew sweet, soul asylum, exene
and john trudell. due out this month, it's on ray's own label, daemon.

ray reports that saliers spent much of her time off working on her piano
playing.

"we didn't see much of each other, but after a while we started hanging out
socially because we missed each other," she said.

ray (she's the one with the dark hair) and saliers have different musical
sensibilities; saliers' work is the sweeter of the two, ray's edgier.

"i think we're becoming more polarized musically, in terms of what we
listen to and how we arrange," ray said. "but we understand that we can
both express ourselves within the indigo girls."

ray is outspoken politically, and the day after this phone interview
planned to go to southern mexico to participate in a political conference
with the zapatista guerrillas.

a few years ago, the indigo girls surprised no one by coming out as
lesbians. ray said the two lend their voices to gay rights issues when the
occasion is right, although they have not started any campaigns on their
own.

ray is upset at the current effort, supported by both republican
congressional leaders and president bill clinton, to ban gay marriages.
she's particularly disgusted with clinton.

"i could never in good conscience vote for clinton. i don't know what i'm
going to do... why can't anyone stand up for what they believe in?"

take care
sharon... the british one not european!!!!

"i can't imagine having separate careers. my greatest fear is that it'll end."
                                                  emily saliers
               "my greatest fear is that emily has a fear that it'll end."
                                                     amy ray

hi everyone,

my 1996 newport folk festival website is now up and running. you can
see it by going to: http://www2.pcix.com/~coop/folkpage/newport.html

you can also go directly to the indigo girls page, if you want. that
part is at: http://www2.pcix.com/~coop/folkpage/girls/girls.html

let me know what you think of it.

see you later.

john cooperider
coop@pcix.com

there seems to be alot of questions on the two honor1 cd realease receptions
in new york and malivu--here's the skinny
new york at the supper club on sept 19--tickets are $250, $500 & $1000
party features native american cusine and showcase performacences by
ig; ulali; john trudell; jane siberry, others.  hosted by jane fonda;
susan sarandon; gloria stenim; ted turner; woody harrelson; more  --
maximum # of tickets are 200--performers will mingle
also attending will be winona laduke--nwe   and you heard it here first--
ralph nader's vice-r  presidentail canddate running under the greens party
logo/banner

malibu at the refurbished shangri-la studios overlooking the pcific ocean--
shangri-la is a famous studio once owned by the band--bonnie raitt; jackson
browne, eric clapton have all recorded their. reception is on october 17th
tickets are $250, $500 and $1000--showcase perofrmances by ig; toad theh wet
sprocket; exene cerenka; bonnie raitt; john trudell, more--will include dinner,
etc. the $1000 tickets include a special cd of some of the evenings songs
limited to 200 people

that's the scoop. if you have any questions email me at omi@dexmn.com--or
you can call raquel at 612-221-4465

alos remember the igs are headlining an honor the earth concert sept 20
at northrop auditorium in minneapolis tickets are $23 & $25 plus service
charges and avialble at ticketmaster 612-989-5151

and honor1 cd release is on august 20. check out our webiste at
honorearth.com
thanks and take care
peace, russ

howdy y'all.

does anyone out there know what the strum pattern for the beginning of
"strange fire" is? i have the chords down, but i'm having a little trouble
telling when amy is strumming up or down.

back to school monday night. yippee. :|

mary and her ultrasonic frogs

hi! still recovering from the newport/hampton "adventure". i agree a+e
looked incredibly relaxed and like they were having a blast - michelle too!
definitely not something i'll forget any time soon. anyway - here're my
questions:

1) in shame on you, amy used to say "i go down to the mexican trailor
park=8a" but she's changed it to "______ city park" anyone know how to fill
in the blank?

2) also in shame on you, what's the first line in that last verse?
"let's go _______ in the middle of the night=8a"

3) where's chiapas?? (i'm assuming mexico but not sure)

thanks to anyone that responds!  map sounds like it's going to be great
(was there any doubt?)  also - thank you to everyone who gave newport
advice to a newbie. i'm sorry i didn't get to meet many of you, but it was
great to see everyone sportin' their shirts!  have a great time w/ the rest
of the tour!

-sarah

in a message dated 96-08-17 13:00:17 edt, niel writes:

<< people can justify disliking, dare i say hating or loathing, an entire
group of people based on a set of beleifs they have or a philosophy they
subscribe to. >>

i think that it can be argued that verbally attacking conservative
republicanism is attacking an ideology, and very different from
verbally attacking a group of people. (like..say..teachers and
(non-white) immigrants and gay people)

i do not hate or loathe ronald reagan at all...however i cannot forgive
him for his actions....i also do not hate or loathe coservative republicans
...they merly scare the bejeasus out of me....make no mistake about it...
gay folk are targeted by the extreme right wing...and those in the rebublican

power structure owe them big time for their support and will bow to the
pressure....and honey...we (queers) are at the top of their list.(well...
maybe second...this year it's the womens clinics)

i suspect that young moderate republicans may learn at lot from
checking out the events that surrounded the 1968 democratic convention.
( the demo's had some real charming people in power back then...
it wasn't pretty...). (i was a mcgovern supporter...although i was
too young too vote :)

oh and amy ( ray)? about your problem voting for clinton ?
-green party-

love !
claire
( god i love election years !!! :) (i feel so energized !!!!;)

okay..one last thing okay ?
(really this *is* very much tied to the music and message of ig :)

i can't help but find this tendency by some conservative rebublicans
to appropriate the terminology of the oppressed to be quite disingenuous.
for example...using terms like "minority" and
"coming out of the closet as a republican", ect....

i have noticed this tactic cropping up a lot since the '92 election.
i wonder if it isn't the brainchild of ralph reed...but actually
it's a pretty old technique used to stir up folks.

but really....i don't think any rebublican has had fire hoses and
attack dogs set on him/her for wanting to go to the same schools or shops
as everyone else....or vote !!!!!!
( by conservative southern democrats i might add.).
or had their children taken away because republicans are"not fit to raise
children"...or been legaly intitutionalised by their families because they
are republicans.

it deminishes and damages the causes of the truly oppressed to
cavalerely userp these terms.

i just really needed to make that point.

claire

"we who believe in freedom will not rest until it comes...
until the killing of black men, black mothers sons
is as important as the killing of white men, white mothers sons."

"if you had lived with fannie lou hamer, would you shine a light ?"
(bernice johnson/regon)

" i will not be complacent."
(amy ray)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

i saw a woman at newport with a hat that said "girls rule"... would
anyone have any remote idea where i could get one?

amy

hello everyone!!

i am a 'newbie' to the ig world.  yes, ashamed and embarrassed to say
that even though i live in atlanta, i was ignorant.  (pun intended)
yes, i had heard of them, knew they were from the local area, but had
never really **heard** them.  until one very very special person (hello
rick) introduced me to their music.   and i have thankfully been
awakened.  =)

i have not been a fan long, just since april, but i have tried my
hardest to find out everything i can about them, and their music. and
belonging to this list has certainly made things easier.

is it just me, or is does everyone do this?  every few days, i find yet
another song that makes me stop and think.  i keep finding new things
to hear, emotions to experience, and just wonder at it all.  the
song-of-the-day for me is "language or the kiss".  simply beautiful.

well, that's enough rambling from me for now!! just felt i needed to
reach out and be a part of this wonderful group.
=)
lisa

wow. granted, we were all 1st time ig-goers, but my little group thought it
was an incredible show, and i'm converted to the cult of michelle malone now.
her opener went over well, and she sang along on several ig tunes. setlist:

don't give that girl a gun
least complicated
get out the map
hand me downs (!)
[brand-new song--they said they hadn't quite worked out the vocal parts yet,
but it sure sounded fine :)]
i don't wanna know
cut it out (new amy, really great)
[emily piano song-- "leeds"?]
tried to be true
it's all right
kind friend
wood song
reunion (the highlight for me--amy rockin' hard, and the crowd filled in
nicely when she forgot part of the first verse)
chiapas bound
winthrop
galileo
kid fears
[they walked off, eventually emily came back. she said amy was tuning her
mandolin, and meanwhile led us in kumbayah (sp?) complete with new lyrics
such as "it's hot as yell, yes lord..."]
wild horses
shame on you (my friends and i had been screaming for this throughout, and
getting strange looks--guess we sounded like jesse helms plants or something
:)
and of course, closer to fine.

one rant/warning to future boathouse concertgoers: if underage, you're going
to get gypped in terms of standing areas (no seats).  most of the venue,
including the space directly in front of the stage,  is fenced off as "the
beer garden," and one must be 21 to enter. that leaves a small area to the
left of the stage for us screaming teenagers.
only other rant:  the heat.  aaargh!  it's worth sweating and suffering to
see the girls, but we began to feel sorry for them...lots of towels and snide
comments being tossed around on stage.
oh, and one last piece of advice, if we may be so bold:  if there's any risk
of committing those nasty pda's discussed of late...bringing a parent and/or
kid sister to the concert is an excellent means of prevention.   :)
anyway...it's definitely time for bed!
peace and a large dose of indigo,
amanda

wow wow wowwowwow!!!!!!!  i just now got home, and it rocked!!!!!  yes, it's
three a.m., but of course you list people have got to be the first to hear
about it!  someone else is posting the set list so i won't, but a few quick
notes.
first of all, the boathouse sucks as a venue.  i'm 16, and everyone i was
with (except my mother :) was also under 21.  the boathouse lets you in, yes,
but under-21's have to be on the outskirts, there's this fence-like barrier
deal, which really sucked.  i had been in line since 3:30 pm (which i don't
regret at all - i met some neat list people - hi! - and some really cool
non-list-people, and i loved getting to know people in the plenty of time we
had waiting! :) so i expected to be able to get really good spots.  however,
when we got in there was this under-21 restriction.  still, for our age we
had great spots, pressed right up against the barrier, and i had a clear view
of both a & e the majority of the time.  the boathouse is incredibly hot,
smoky, they crammed in a hell of a lot of people into not a whole lot of
space (if i moved backward i ended up in this poor girl's lap :) and i ended
up feeling really sick by the end of the show.  and still - ig were worth
it!!!!!!!
michelle malone came on about 9:15 and she rocked!!!  her set was really
great (about...30 or 40 minutes?) and she played, um, "medicated magdelene"
(which i love!!!), some other stuff, and a song she and kristen hall wrote,
which i liked a lot as well.  she's a really great artist, as i'm sure you
guys know :) and it was neat seeing her live even though (before tonight!) i
wasn't a rabid michelle fan.
after michelle's set there was a very very very long wait, and then finally
around 10:30 ig came on - !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  that was so
so cool!  i'm gonna try to keep this relatively short - their new stuff was
awesome...some i had heard already on boots, but i was so glad to hear the
really new stuff.  i love "cut it out" and "it's all right".  people were
talking a lot during emily's two piano songs, which pissed me off and i would
imagine bugged her too.  other than that, though, the crowd was pretty cool.
they did "least complicated" and galileo and ctf and a whole bunch of others
that the crowd pretty much sang through.  in reunion, amy stopped singing at
one point and the audience started and she just grinned and said "yeah,
that's right!"  both a & e looked like they were having fun, amy smiled a lot
:) which made me incredibly happy to see :)  they did i don't wanna know with
michelle and amy was making faces and grinning and having a blast.  "chiapas
bound" is so much more powerful live, i was almost crying (except i was
sweating too hard! :)
after they left, and we cheered and clapped for a while, and they came back
on...emily and michelle came on, and emily talked about future dates and the
fact that amy was tuning her mandolin...then launched into "kumbayah"!!!!
(no, i can't spell :) a chorus of "someone's tuning, lord" :) and emily
yelled "this is for atheists too!"  then emily said the other verses she
thought of were probably sacriligious and yelled out "it's hot as hell, my
lord"  that was pretty funny :)  eventually amy came back out and they did
wild horses, shame on you, and closer to fine.  they left for good around
12:15.
despite the fact that for many hours (or so it seemed!) we were jammed into a
smoky, hot room (it seriously did suck, but the music snapped me out of that
fast :) - the concert was great!  wonderful!  i loved it!!!  i had never seen
them live before, so i've been incredibly excited for quite some time
now...and wow!!!!!  it was incredible...it hasn't sunk in yet that i saw
emily and amy!!!!!!
oh yeah, and while in line, we saw them drive up...also michelle...in a
little blue car, someone said "hey, that might be them!" and everyone
laughed, then looked, then did a double take and charged forward to look -
because it was them!  this was, oh, 6 pm or so?  i lost track of time
eventually...i'm glad i was there early, though, because being any further
back would have been a lot worse.
sorry to go on so long, you guys - i'm really excited, and it was a great
show :)
katy  :)

in a message dated 96-08-17 21:55:41 edt, you write:

>1) in shame on you, amy used to say "i go down to the mexican trailor
>park " but she's changed it to "______ city park" anyone know how to fill
>in the blank?
chicano city park, as of last night.
>2) also in shame on you, what's the first line in that last verse?
>"let's go _______ in the middle of the night "
road-block trippin'? i think.
>3) where's chiapas?? (i'm assuming mexico but not sure)
yep, southern mexico--where they had the separatist rebellion a few months
ago, and amy's been trying to help the rebels (i think they're called the
zapatistas, but i might have the countries confused).

still recovering from yesterday's show,
amanda

yes, the show rocked! we had been in line since 3:30, hoping to get
front-row seats, but unfortunately we didn't know about the cages for the
under-21'ers. =( michelle played for way too short a time (but was awesome),
and here's her setlist:

medicated magdalene
blue suede
*wonderful new (?) song--some lyrics were "there's a girl upon a hill/she
dreams her life away (?)/don't throw your love away...
green/bird on fire (not sure of the correct title)
the edge
only you (?)--new song by michelle and kristen hall
teen lament

i was disappointed that michelle didn't play some of my favorites such as
butter biscuit and california...i thought her set was unusually short, too.
=(

amanda's already posted the ig setlist, but here are some lyrics from the
beautiful new emily song (this was the first time they'd played it live =) :
"remember everything i told you.  keep it in your heart like a stone.
???[something about the winds blowing things back again]  what was once your
pain will be your hope.  all around the table the ??? men are gathered
spilling their sons' blood like table wine.  remember everything i told you,
everything in its own time..."  i can already tell that
this song is going to be one of my favorites...it's really beautiful!

okay, wardrobe time =). michelle was wearing a huge adidas shirt, amy was
wearing a black shirt with writing that looked like it was from honor the
earth. emily
was wearing dark blue overall shorts and her short-sleeved black zip-up
shirt. =)

another note: amy broke a mandolin string on wild horses and then was handed
a
guitar which she played for the rest of the song.  they didn't talk very much
to the audience, but amy did tell the story of when they were opening for
r.e.m. a long time ago and a fight broke out and she yelled at everyone to
turn around and sit down.  amy also said that emily was "going to serenade
us" when she played the piano on the leeds song.  "it's all right" is also
going to be one of my favorite songs...one thing that really pissed me off
was that people kept talking during their new songs and couldn't take the
hint when amy or emily said "this is a *quiet* song".  the boathouse was hot!
michelle and the girls kept mentioning it, and the poor things were under
stage lights.  we were all packed like sardines in what felt like no air
conditioning...but it was the best night of my life! =) i didn't get home
until 2:30, and couldn't fall asleep until 5:00.

peace, love, and demo tours,
ponygirl

i forgot to ask if anyone booted the norfolk show. this was my first ig
concert, and also my first attempt to boot something. i got all of
michelle's show, but unfortunately some of the ig show was cut off. =(
please, please let me know if
you got all of the girls' part...i will trade *anything* i have to get this
boot! =)

peace, love, and happiness,
ponygirl

i can't help you with the questions regarding the lyrics of "shame on you",
but i can tell you a litle something about what's going on in chiapas....

january 1st, 1994 the zapatistas took up arms against the repressive
mexican government...they would no longer be denied their right to a decent
way of life...they were standing up for the indigenous peoples of
mexico...since then, knowledge of the zapatista struggle has spread world
wide...i, myself belong to one of the many solidarity group
around the country which support them, and send them food and money to
survive...unfourtunately many people still do not know about it since it is
not covered by the media...amy is doing a fabulous thing by lending her
voice to a cause like this...i encourage you all to find out more about
the struggle in chiapas...it is truley a dire situation...and the u.s.
government is making things worse!... they are sending the mexican
government weapons,(tanks, helicopters, etc.) for them to torture their own
people with!...that is one of the many reasons why american citizens need
to stand in solidarity with the zapatistas, and let our government know
that they are doing the wrong thing!...well, that's just my 2 cents...
vive la lucha zapatista!!!!
leah...

does anyone know the rules on getting caught taping ???

can they actually confiscated your tape deck ????

i was snagged taping melissa last night in new haven, ct ... at the very end
of the show - the show was literally over ... i was going to the shut the
deck off and a security guard came over and asked "what's that ?!??!?!?!??" -
and grabbed the deck and all and took off ... i was in shock ... never been
snagged before - guess there's always a first !!

anyways - a friend of mine (fellow booter) says they can't take your
equipment - just the tape and batteries ... (the guard only got one of two
tapes - glad he didn't search me :)

just curious - i'd really like to get the deck back

chris

having been a listee for a week now, i'm troubled by
something i see flying around a lot on this list, namely
boots.

i dunno what the individuals involved in recording,
duplicating and distributing boots do in terms of
charging for their work, so i'll ask: do you folks
do this for profit? and if so, do you pay any royalties
to the artists (i.e., the igs?).

reason i ask is that if you do make a profit and do not
pay something to the artists, how can you call yourselves
their fans? you are stealing from them! it's their work and
sweat that enables you to make these boots and sell them
for your own personal profit, yet you give them nothing and
tell the world you are their biggest fans?

(getting my asbestos suit out...okay, i'm ready for replies!)

shawn@xyvision.com
------------------------------------------------------------
i am i and you are you           |  i dunno much about art
and we are both each other too.  |  but i like what i know.
       -- clair huffaker         |        -- bob neuwirth
------------------------------------------------------------

anyone intrigued by amy's new song "chiapas bound" but ignorant like i was,
can get a crash course in the "trouble down there" in this month's national
geographic--special issue on mexico, with an article called "chiapas: rough
road to reality."
i'm trying to pack for college but fell asleep (getting home from concerts at
3 will do that for ya) and had a wacko dream in which the ig came onstage in
a combination of the boathouse and my high school's auditorium and did
"mystery" 8-10 times straight.
ok, back to packing.

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perhaps you should have read yoru list mail more or wrote a individual
before psoting this i sure hope u got fire insurance i dotn know of anyone
on here how charges for boots and i dont know how many times its been
posted u send blank tapes tot he perosn and return postage no profit is
made

on sun, 18 aug 1996, shawn linderman wrote:

> having been a listee for a week now, i'm troubled by
> something i see flying around a lot on this list, namely
> boots.
>
> i dunno what the individuals involved in recording,
> duplicating and distributing boots do in terms of
> charging for their work, so i'll ask: do you folks
> do this for profit? and if so, do you pay any royalties
> to the artists (i.e., the igs?).
>
> reason i ask is that if you do make a profit and do not
> pay something to the artists, how can you call yourselves
> their fans? you are stealing from them! it's their work and
> sweat that enables you to make these boots and sell them
> for your own personal profit, yet you give them nothing and
> tell the world you are their biggest fans?
>
> (getting my asbestos suit out...okay, i'm ready for replies!)
>
> shawn@xyvision.com
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> i am i and you are you           |  i dunno much about art
> and we are both each other too.  |  but i like what i know.
>        -- clair huffaker         |        -- bob neuwirth
> ------------------------------------------------------------
>
> q
>
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in a message dated 96-08-18 13:02:16 edt, shawn@xyvision.com (shawn
linderman) writes:

>
>reason i ask is that if you do make a profit and do not
>pay something to the artists, how can you call yourselves
>their fans? you are stealing from them! it's their work and
>sweat that enables you to make these boots and sell them
>for your own personal profit, yet you give them nothing and
>tell the world you are their biggest fans?

shawn,

boots are never sold, they're traded. no profits are ever made by any
booters. any people that have taped shows are true fans who have bought all
ig studio albums anyway, and will always be the first in line to purchase new
albums and tickets to see shows.

i actually haven't gotten on the boot train yet but i think it's a great way
to experience their music in a new way and to remember shows that we have
seen.

some music groups actually encourage taping. when phish sells tickets they
ask you to specify if you're booting the show and there's always a designated
taping section at all of their concerts. they don't consider it stealing,
since the fans at their shows have always supported them when they put out a
new album.

groups like ig and phish, who aren't in the 'mtv crowd' make their money
through devoted fans who buy all their albums and tickets to their shows.

if you ever see a post where someone is selling a boot, feel free to send
them a polite note that you feel it is wrong. but i have never seen anyone
post that they were selling tapes. nobody profits financially- just
musically.

just mho....

-sheri : )

\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\

  _       _ ------ _               o      |....when you learn
{  ~\_/         o   \    o  o           |to love yourself
{  ~ _   ]          <  o                 |you will dissolve
{_~/  \ _        _ /                    | all the stones
             v-----                        | that are cast....
   seaphish@aol.com                  -amy ray
/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/

hi all,

just wanted to offer some suggestions to anyone who may be seeing any future
shows at the boathouse:

1. drink lots of water before the show. don't worry about having to pee
every 1/2 hour- believe me, you'll sweat it out.

2. try to get your tickets in advance. if they won't mail you the tickets,
try to get someone to pick them up for you. people like me who live out of
state and didn't receive their tickets by mail had to wait on a separate line
for the will call window while those with tickets got in first, regardless of
when they had arrived.

3.  eat something of some nutritional value before the show.  if you have low
blood sugar make sure you're replenished.  don't *faint* from the excessive
heat and uncirculated air- no, i didn't *swoon* ; ) when amy and emily went
on, i fainted i guess because i couldn't breathe and it was hot as hell and i
hadn't eaten right.  how embarassing.  thanks to whoever it was who gave me
ice and who sat with me until i could get up. when i made my way back up to
our spots i got that feeling again like i was going to pass out and i ended
up spending most of the show near the back door, even though we had great
spots pretty close to the stage.  that's the closest i had ever been to a&e :
(

i don't want it to seem like i had an awful time. the girls were amazing, as
well as michelle. having heard the new songs in newport, i can now say that
i love them and can't wait until the new album comes out.

if i'm going to faint at a show, i'm glad it was the girls' ; )

-sheri : )

\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\

  _       _ ------ _               o      |....when you learn
{  ~\_/         o   \    o  o           |to love yourself
{  ~ _   ]          <  o                 |you will dissolve
{_~/  \ _        _ /                    | all the stones
             v-----                        | that are cast....
   seaphish@aol.com                  -amy ray
/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/

since i have gotten some queries about the green party,
i decided to see if they have a web site...sure 'nuff...they do !!

for more info check out :

http://www.rahul.net/greens/

they are haveing there green gathering this weekend and nader is
scheduled to speak on monday night. (maybe cspan will carry it :)

love !
binky(claire)

p.s. diminish....institutionalize ....see ? i can spell !!!!
(yikes ! lord, please give me a spell checker !)

hey, im making a wav of the girls for a friend-he's never heard them before,
and wants to hear em. what do you think would be the best song to send him?
-most dynamic, best solo(he plays guitar)? thanks y'all!

tiff

incredibly hot and humid today, been here for four days and it is a
beautiful place (atlanta) won't be @ house of blues due to a video i
absolutely need to see, and frankly i have been so incredibly busy that
there is no way to try and see the ig music and atl music scene in five days
w/ the paralypics going on. the opening ceremonies were unreal, better that
the original olympics, i believe gerard mchugh was involved.
met some incredible people. having a heavenly time. rdr is the place to
visit if you need any music, saw some rem stuff *i* did not know existed. i
heard the studio version of blood quantum and i do have a tape from ulali,
but i get back tomorrow night to maine and move a week from today. i am also
going to neil young thurs in boston so around 8/30 i will be up for trading
and stuff.
mike r.
in georgia.....

as a member of this list for 7 months i must say i agree with shawn's post.as
an artist who deals with copyright infringement myself i disagree with the
practice of boots for any reason. no matter how laid back the artist(a.r.) is
i believe that all these boots are harmful to the artists we care about.once
a bootlegger copies a tape and sends it to another how can there be any
control on what the next person does with the tape? after observing this list
for a while i have come to realize that most boot makers are not
intentionally doing it for profit but i do believe that they bear the
resonsibility of the final outcome just the same.i have been a girls fan for
8 years and would love to hear their new material but choose to pay for the
privledge..i hope true fans will do the same. another vote
for artistic rights, laura

at 04:43 pm 8/18/96 -0400, you wrote:
>as a member of this list for 7 months i must say i agree with shawn's post.as
>an artist who deals with copyright infringement myself i disagree with the
>practice of boots for any reason. no matter how laid back the artist(a.r.) is
>i believe that all these boots are harmful to the artists we care about.once
>a bootlegger copies a tape and sends it to another how can there be any
>control on what the next person does with the tape? after observing this list
>for a while i have come to realize that most boot makers are not
>intentionally doing it for profit but i do believe that they bear the
>resonsibility of the final outcome just the same.i have been a girls fan for
>8 years and would love to hear their new material but choose to pay for the
>privledge..i hope true fans will do the same. another vote
>for artistic rights, laura
>

true fans are the first ones to buy the new albums, but they also want to
hear them as they are performed live, not in a studio. studio versions dont
capture all the intensity of performing in front of a live audience. plus
the fact that we can listen to shows that we could otherwise only ever hear
once. i dont think there's anything wrong with wanting copies of what they
have done besides what is sold commerically. most of it we will never find.

just mho..
tiff

mmedido@aol.com[smtp:mmedido@aol.com] wrote:

>i can't help but find this tendency by some conservative rebublicans
>to appropriate the terminology of the oppressed to be quite disingenuous.
>for example...using terms like "minority" and
>"coming out of the closet as a republican", ect....

>.but really....i don't think any rebublican has had fire hoses and
>attack dogs set on him/her for wanting to go to the same schools or shops
>as everyone else....or vote !!!!!!
>( by conservative southern democrats i might add.).
>or had their children taken away because republicans are"not fit to raise
>children"...or been legaly intitutionalised by their families because they
>are republicans.

>it deminishes and damages the causes of the truly oppressed to
>cavalerely userp these terms.

>i just really needed to make that point.

              claire,point made! now tell us how you really feel,....
                                            peace(?),
                                                          becky

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"christopher d. payne" <owen4@adnc.com> wrote:

could've been the wonderstuff cover.

=-=-=<>=-=-=

kevin minoli <kevsmin@aol.com> wrote:

>a few people have written to the list commenting how happy they were to hear
>ttbt both at hampton and newport. how ironic was it that i was about to
>write in asking if they play it at every show -- i've seen 6 and they have
>played it at least four times, if not 5. i was much more surprised and
>grateful to finally hear kid fears.

when i first saw them at the birchmere supporting the self-titled album,
someone requested "tried to be true," and amy said they couldn't do it by
themselves with just their acoustic guitars. that would account for the
lack of play. but it's definitely back in the set list now, with michelle
malone's assistance.

=-=-=<>=-=-=

stetler <sstetler@jeffco.k12.co.us> wrote:

>i actually did profess my deep appreciation for their music and all i got
>back was a f@#$%# newsletter. it was a letter that came from deep within
>and i got no response. that was 4 years ago. they are probably just getting
>too big to read the mtns of mail they receive from adoring fans like all of
>us.

oh puhleease. if anyone has overestimated their importance, it's the fans
that expect a personal response to fan mail. 1200 curfews is the most
wonderful gift to their fans ig could have provided, with its careful
selections, hand-written notes, and never-before-recorded songs. not to
mention the demo tour i've been lucky enough to catch part of, the
newsletters they hand-write (albeit rarely), and amy's occasional posts to
the dameon mailing list. they show their appreciation of their fans in many
ways; it's selfish and unrealistic to expect personal interaction.

=-=-=<>=-=-=

mariavee@aol.com wrote:

>oh yeah, i agree that sulli's cool. more info on her!

i first heard of sulli when she was tech'ing for kristen hall. she's been
around the atl scene for quite a while, and i'm pretty sure she was online
back then. i think the ig gig is a bit much for her, though, she seems to
have trouble getting everything set up (very long waits before starting,
and occasionally between songs), and the girls often had to re-tune before
starting. i didn't mind too much for the demo tour, but on a normal tour
they'll need to be more professional.

otoh, it gave emily the opportunity at the boathouse to sing, to the tune
of "cumbayah" (sp?): "someone's tuning, my lord, cumbayah..." :)

=-=-=<>=-=-=

abigail <abaroo@execpc.com> wrote:

>so, i was considering the thought recently posted about the year 1694 from
>shame on you being a representation of the immigrant experience and i had a
>thought. we all know that amy's lyrics are all usually significant of
>something important, and not just thrown in to make a line rhyme.

i agree. besides, i don't think it rhymes with the prior lines anyway
(though the number of syllables could be a factor).

=-=-=<>=-=-=

david <dsue@bigfoot.com> wrote:

>does anyone have the ig performance at mtv unplugged on tape?! just
>wondering, i'd never heard of them appearing on the show before!

they were on "unplugged" with michelle shocked in the show's earliest
incarnation, with jules shear as host.

=-=-=<>=-=-=

"christopher m. becker" <cmbecker@space.mit.edu> wrote:

>personally, i haven't decided whom to vote for yet -- clinton or the
>liberatarian candidate (the fact i don't even have a name indicates i
>have some research to do ;)).

harry browne, i believe.

>i really do see a parallell between the human rights campaigns of the
>1960's (racial discrimination) and the 1990's (sexuality
>discrimination). it actually encourages me somewhat.

libertarians are, as i understand it, completely against any civil rights
legislation, including the protections currently in place.

=-=-=<>=-=-=

joan morrison <103161.3515@compuserve.com> wrote:

>"new!!! demo tour t-shirt. proposed new album cover design on natural."

well, there were 2 shirts at the boathouse, and neither had any design.
one was white and said "indigo girls, demonstration tour" sideways on the
right bottom of the front, the other is natural color and just says "map"
with a "demonstration only" stamp across it. both had tour dates on the
back.

i think it's kind of a drag that they're selling them off the tour.

=-=-=<>=-=-=

queen minerva <amytryon@phoenix.princeton.edu> wrote:

>i saw a woman at newport with a hat that said "girls rule"... would
>anyone have any remote idea where i could get one?

no, but i saw a t-shirt at the boathouse last night that said "girls kick
ass." :)

i'll agree with what's been said before about the show last night; great
show, lousy venue. michelle malone was really great, i wish she'd record
solo, i just don't like her with band de soleil.

i felt badly for the under-21 folks -- they should have lower ticket prices
for them since they can't even get in front of the stage. mm mentioned that
they'd played there before, and i don't know why they came back.

the new songs are growing on me. i really like "shame on you," "it's
alright," and "cut it out." amy *really* rocked out on "shame on you" last
night, it was great!

most interesting revelation: amy's mention of rem, followed by her saying
"but they don't know us anymore..."

=-=-=<>=-=-=

shawn linderman <shawn@xyvision.com> wrote:

>i dunno what the individuals involved in recording,
>duplicating and distributing boots do in terms of
>charging for their work, so i'll ask: do you folks
>do this for profit? and if so, do you pay any royalties
>to the artists (i.e., the igs?).

one of the best things about this list is the generosity of its members.
folks here are great about putting together tape trees to distribute cool
stuff they've acquired, typing in articles they've found, etc. all of this
is done without charge, just to share it. the only exceptions you'll see
are occasional ads for rainy day records, a music store in atlanta very
supportive of the atlanta music scene.

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__________________________________________________________________________
"it's possible to get an acoustic guitar to sound like a mac truck"
- ani difranco in an npr interview

sorry to do a broad post to the entire list, but.....

i am the gemini branch of the nff and these songs boots,

if you want a copy of both, please send me 2 100 min tapes with
adequate postage, that way i can get them both to you at the
same time, and save on postage and packaging materials.

i am saying this cause i have gotten several requests for both
tapes from the same people and i think it would work out better
if i could just tape one after another and get them out to you asap.

thanks for your time!

take care and peace!

-deb

hey y'all!

on the vic chesnutt tribute/benefit cd that ig appear on, most of the
artists write a little blurb about why they recorded the song they chose
(and/or why they chose to contribute to the cd). i thought those of you who
haven't been able to pick it up might like to know what amy said:

"6 albums in 6 days
red clay on the wheels of a wheelchair
if vic can't sing you what it's like
to be a southerner-nobody can.
i drove with these songs,
ate and slept to these songs
i still do.
i believe in grassroots action-direct funding
we must take care of our own
no one is an island and all that..."

(the strange punctuation/grammar is copied exactly from the cd booklet.)

i have only listened to the ig track (free of hope) a couple of times.  i
think i like it.  vic has a very ethereal writing style, and i think it
takes a while to really let his songs sink in.  i am looking forward to
getting to know this cd better.

for those who don't know, the cd benefits victoria williams's sweet relief
fund which helps out musicians who need money for health care. i definitely
recomend the purchase, if only to hear a&e do something a bit different.

whatever,

:dwayne

djarrell@ix.netcom.com
"it sounds really cool to be without a care in some southern town,
but i heard there's trouble down there if you're chiapas bound"
-amy ray

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neil-

i must respond to your post by stating i never ascribed to hating or loathing
any group based on their political beliefs.   quite to the contrary i believe
i said i am in love with a republican.  what i did allude to was disbelief at
a statement of tolerance followed by a commitment to the dole/kemp ticket.
  both of these men have consistently supported the christain right in their
manipulation of the public in assuming gays and lesbians are to blame for the
disolution of the family and breakdown of society.  both of these men have
made it okay for gay men and lesbian women to be threatened, beaten, and in
some cases killed based on the gender of who they love.

my lover of 16 years will not hold my hand in public because she prefers not
to give someone a reason to hate her. a young man was beaten to death one
night outside of my office window because of who he had sex with. they found
his body in the ivy the next day; his head had been caved in with a piece of
ribar. a friend's lesbian daughter was shot in the head and killed outside of
a gay bar in florida.

the perpetuation of a societal scapegoat, which at various times in history
has been those who worship different gods, those of color, and now those who
love someone of the same sex, is something a i _do_ look upon with distaste
and loathing.

in a message dated 96-08-17 12:59:04 edt, you write:

>it is rather funny isn't it that the more we go down this tangent of
>republican and/or conservatism than more and more people are 'coming out'
>about being republican, or 'i know this person who is a republican'.  i
>ask you is it really that bad or are we happy with the idea that
>some
>people can justify disliking, dare i say hating or loathing, an entire
>group of people based on a set of beleifs they have or a philosophy they
>subscribe to.  that seems a little hypocritical and counter ig.  we say
>that we are open-minded and all of that but are we?  sometimes i wonder
>about that.  this is not meant to put down, belittle, or attack anyone but
>just as a conversation starter, to make people think, and to show people
>that they are alot more like the people they are constantly talking bad
>about.

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about the zapatistas, what is america's justification for sending the
mexican gov't weapons to torture their own people?  why are we involved in
this?  i heard a little something in the news about american sponsored
terrorism in mexico, but they didn't mention the details.  what's the gain
for america to help oppress the people of mexico?  i don't get it.

wendell

hi everybody!!

does anyone have an extra ticket to the san antonio show?? i would *really*
appriciate it!!!

thanks-
rob

hey folks!

did anyone happen to get a good boot of the boathouse (norfolk) show? if so,
i'm very interested in a copy!

here's to hoping,

tamara

p.s.  i apologize to anyone who may have been bounced back messages with my
address on it.  i have been out of town a few days and my mail box was
exploding.  sorry to those of you who may apply.....

i know i read a note recently about the supper club and
shangri-la ig shows, but i erased it. could someone
out there resend it to me??

thanks

will the following people please e-mail me privately ..

patti hearn
pooh

sorry for the bandwidth ....

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august 1996: ben & jerry's newport folk festival program

amy ray: "it's all in there"

by nalini jones

        "i tend to like things that are a little different," muses amy
ray.  "for some reason, i'm drawn to the underground."  even the name
of the group ray created with emily saliers, the indigo girls, reflects
this leaning.  "it's a deep blue," ray explains.  "a root -- real
earthy."
        ray's songwriting might be described the same way.  sometimes
dark, sometimes edgy, and always intense, ray's music is rich with
image and emotion, and her tastes as a listener, though varied, reflect
the passion found in her own work.  "i always listened to a lot of
folk," she comments.  "but i loved the old woody guthrie type of folk
music -- the kind that's politically based, talking about labors and
unions."
        she continues, "eventually, i became interested in more
psychedelic stuff, which led me into punk... and i like the steve earle
bad-boy kind of country.  but i listen to everything, really, except
music that's mainstream.  i like to hear music that's different from
the mainstream -- like peter gabriel, u2, rem."  ray's eclectic tastes
are mirrored in her own work, as seen the stylistic terrain of the
indigo girls' first entirely electric song, "touch me fall."  the
_swamp ophelia_ single opens with a heavy wash of electric guitars,
then sweeps into an arrangement that includes trumpet, flugelhorn and a
string quartet.  "lately, a lot of what influences and inspires me [as
a songwriter] comes from music.
        "emily listens to a lot of different kinds of music too," ray
adds.  "she gets into a lot of soul and folk, some jazz, r&b... and of
course, joni mitchell."
        the indigo girls write all their songs separately --
collaborating only on the arrangements once each song is written.  thus
a natural balance is struck; they are simultaneously known for
beautiful harmonies and for the intensely personal quality of their
songs.  ray's work, in particular, is marked by a spirit of exploration
-- whether into questions of love or longing, childhood memories, or
more recently, her own responses to the world.
        "i think i used to be more inspired by what i was reading, or by
movies i saw," she notes.  "anything that tapped into a feeling i'd
had.  i was really into southern writers like william faulkner and
flannery o'connor, and i read hesse, dostoevsky, all sorts of fiction.
now i'm reading more history, books on politics, non-fiction.
        "it all filters in and starts coming through in weird places,"
she adds, considering the effect on her writing.  "but in the end, it's
all in there."
        so is much of ray herself.  the songs, at times, seem so
individually expressive that they tempt the indigo girls' audience into
speculation about the lives of the writers, a tendency ray understands.
        "in terms of my songs, everything's in there.  i mean, i'm
definitely honest and i'm talking about myself.  but it's always hard
to know the writer completely.  people don't always interpret what i
say in the way that i mean it, which is probably the case with any
writer.
        "but i don't ever write songs from anyone else's experience," she
explains.  "i'm not sure i could, since writing a song -- the process
of writing a song -- always begins with something that moves me,
personally.  i guess it's probably good to write from another
perspective, but all my songs come directly from me."
        a striking example is "this train," ray's rewrite of the woody
guthrie tune "this train is bound for glory."  ray's version describes
cattle car passengers en route to nazi concentration camps.  the song's
power lies not just in its historical detail, but in the riveting
images that reflect ray's own horror.  "it draws on other people's
experiences, but in the end, it's based on my reaction to the holocaust
museum," she notes.
        after the 1994 release of the grammy-nominated _swamp ophelia_,
the indigo girls took to the road for a tour that lasted over a year.
by the end of last summer, they were ready for a break -- their first
extended time off in almost ten years.  for ray, it was in some ways a
time of awakening.
        "when you're on the road, your life falls apart, so when you get
back, you suddenly find yourself pulling all the different strands back
together again, into something that's real."
        she continues: "the road is a sort of fantasy life, and in a way,
i'd forgotten how much of a fantasy it really is.  you have people to
drive you around, take you where you need to go, give you a place to
stay, tune your guitars, tell you when to walk on stage...  you're
totally taken care of -- plus, you have people clapping for you every
night.  it's not reality.  reality is getting your house in shape,
writing songs, practicing guitar, maybe gardening a little.  not as
much clapping.
        "also, the break came on the heels of the honor the earth tour,
which was a big cultural thing for me.  we were working with many
native peoples, in many different environments.  in a way, coming home
meant finding a way to assimilate back into a white world."
        she adds, "usually we're home for just a little while, on short
breaks -- never as long as this past year -- and this time i was forced
to do a lot of adjusting back to real life.  it's been a battle
sometimes... but i'm glad we did it.  it gave me a lot of vision about
life and reality.  i know emily went through a lot of the same things."
        ray and saliers have been sharing experiences since elementary
school.  they first met in decatur, georgia, when saliers was in sixth
grade and ray in fifth.  once in high school, they began singing
together.  both attended emory university, where they renamed
themselves the indigo girls.  the friendship that began in grade school
has lasted throughout their career.
        "that has its own challenges for me, but i love it!"  says ray.
"and i love emily.  i mean, we're like sisters.  we're very, very
different -- but the differences help.  basically, i'm the sort of
person who's good at changing my mind, trying something new, giving her
something to put up with; and she's the sort of person who's good at
putting up with all that.  with me.
        "also, we have a lot of respect for each other's space," she
explains.  "that's really important to me.  of course we've been
through times, but in the end, we're great for each other.  our
differences mean we fit togeth
er well as friends."
        she adds thoughtfully, "i always think of her as the perfect best
friend.  i guess one of the reasons we've always been like this is that
we've always had the same kind of relationship.  the nature of it never
changed -- we never had a sexual encounter -- we never had a real
conflict -- we were always just completely friends."
        on the road, saliers and ray are constantly working together,
though ray notes that with the rigors of touring, both need private
time.  maintaining their friendship off the road takes a different kind
of effort.
        "this break was interesting," she begins, "since we sort of
drifted apart for a while, getting our stuff together.  we each had a
lot to catch up on, individually, you know.  and if you're used to
being with someone, the way we are on the road, you can forget how it
is to go out of your way to call that person."  she laughs.  "finally,
one of us called the other one of us and we realized in an instant how
much we'd missed each other."
        she continues: "we started doing things socially, which we don't
really have much time to do on tour, and it was cool to make plans to
see each other.  we're not used to it, i guess.
        "but it's kind of like having a partner -- i mean, it is having a
partner.  you have to make sure that you're in contact, and that you
know what the other person's life is about.  otherwise there's
distance."  she pauses.  "we were a little burnt out after last year,
and maybe we started out our break by taking more space then we meant
to, but we've ended up closer as a result.
        but the break didn't mean that ray wasn't working.  as head of
her own label, daemon records, ray has had her hands full, completing
two major recording projects.  the history of daemon records began with
the indigo girls' own recording career.
        "emily and i started on our own little label [indigo records],
but after a while doing everything got to be too much, especially when
we began spending a lot of time performing.  we ended up signing on
someone else's label [epic records].  but i knew there were musicians
who should be making records out there, who weren't, and i decided i
wanted to put something back into the musical community we'd come out
of."
        she adds: "mostly i did it because i'm interested in motivating
good musicians.  i do all the hiring, but it's a co-op and we all work
together.  so far it's been my vision, but we're beginning to get to
the point where we include other people's visions more.  and that
includes the bands sometimes -- i feel really strongly about the bands
being involved.  they have to understand the kind of work that's gone
into their project, the way it unfolds.  otherwise, there's too much of
a gap between what i know and what they know.  this way the gap is
bridged -- we all understand each other better."
        running her own label has given ray insight as an artist as well.
"i think it gives me more perspective," she agrees.  "i have a sense
now about the more human elements in a corporation, and i can also
sympathize with the artists on my label, since i know that position
well.
        "i've been through a lot with this," she admits.  "i guess most
of the time i'm cursing it.  but in some moments i'm 100% happy, and
then i think, yeah, okay, it's all worth it.  it's taken me six years,
but i think i'm finally getting it right."
        her latest projects include two compilations: one celebrating
music from the atlanta area, and the other a double-cd featuring
artists like matthew sweet, soul asylum and bonnie raitt, to benefit
honor the earth, an organization which enables grassroots native
american groups to work on environmental issues.  the indigo girls
dedicated a 16-concert series at the end of their 1995 tour to support
honor the earth.
        ray explains, "i've always thought we should merge environmental
work with native issues, that that was the correct angle to take.
there's a lot wrong with any colonized country -- colonizers bring with
them racial intolerance, religious intolerance, patriarchal
institutions.  and they proclaim manifest destiny -- ownership of the
land -- which becomes a sort of environmental destiny too.  it happens
in any country that's been colonized.  but the indigenous people
understand the land instead of own it; they are its caretakers...
        "so i think the most effective environmental work is often done
or guided by native groups, in a hands-on, grassroots way," she
concludes simply.  "it's more direct."
        of the indigo girls' noteworthy commitment to social action, ray
notes, "concern about the environment has been one of our main thrusts
all along."  their tour in support of honor the earth carried them
through 21 western states, raised more than $300,000 for a special
"endangered peoples, endangered species" campaign fund, generated over
25,000 "action cards" mailed to local, state and federal officials, and
created a network of tens of thousands of supporters.  ray hopes that
the compilation, coming out this august, will stretch the network even
further.
        in the meantime, ray is excited to perform again.  in their only
other live concert this year, at the new orleans jazz & heritage
festival this past may, saliers and ray both seemed relaxed, rested and
ready.
        "who's on the line-up at newport?" ray asks.  "i want to come for
the whole weekend.  we can't wait!"

_for more information about honor the earth, call 1-800-earth-07_

the lewiston, ny concert was sensational...

amy was so into the concert...she was incredible.

emily seemed to get into it as it went along and her two piano songs were
both very moving...

i have seen the girls 5x and this was the best concert yet. the acoustics
at the venue (artpark in lewiston) were amazing.

there were quite a few screwups with guitars not being tuned and stuff but
the girls were just rolling with the punches and enjoying themselves...

i met gabe(?) but were any other list members there? i did not boot the
show and am desperately appealing to someone to have a copy....please?!?

i saw the girls at newport as well and i love the more intimate venues where
they seem somewhat more comfortable...

i don't post often but this concert was the hi-lite of my vacation and i
wanted everyone to know how great it really was...

i am so looking forward to the new album!!!!

please e-mail me privately if you have the boot!!!

thanks.

tami

hi y'all!

we got the sweet relief ii cd a week ago and all we can say is wow! vic =
chesnutt is a god! his lyrics waste me! i particularly like kristin =
hersh's version of panic pure, garbage's rendition of kick my ass and =
sponge as done by rem. they are all solid performances. the ig track is =
free of hope. it is a haunting piece of music. they do some really =
interesting work on it and the result is devastating. i want to read all =
of vic's lyrics - he is amazing. the music of the real south.

free of hope,
free of the past,
thank you god of nothing,
i'm free at last.

the chorus of free of hope. btw, the track which follows ig's song is =
florida and it provides some much needed lightening up after such a =
heavy song! if you get this cd, it will help sweet relief fund and - =
directly- help vic. you will go out and buy all his work! :)

susan and jocelyn

on the vic chesnutt tribute/benefit cd that ig appear on, most of the
artists write a little blurb about why they recorded the song they chose
(and/or why they chose to contribute to the cd). i thought those of you =
who
haven't been able to pick it up might like to know what amy said:

(the strange punctuation/grammar is copied exactly from the cd booklet.)

i have only listened to the ig track (free of hope) a couple of times.  =
i
think i like it.  vic has a very ethereal writing style, and i think it
takes a while to really let his songs sink in.  i am looking forward to
getting to know this cd better.

for those who don't know, the cd benefits victoria williams's sweet =
relief
fund which helps out musicians who need money for health care. i =
definitely
recomend the purchase, if only to hear a&e do something a bit different.

whatever,

:dwayne

djarrell@ix.netcom.com
"it sounds really cool to be without a care in some southern town,
but i heard there's trouble down there if you're chiapas bound"
-amy ray

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it's probably a little late to be asking this question(it's one in the
morning the day of the show), but i have a concert question.
i haven't noticed any listees from around here, essex jct. vt, but is anyone
going to the me show tonight?  she is playing at the fairgrounds at 7:30pm
and there are still tickets available if anyone in the area is interested.
chances are no one on this list is going except me, but if anyone is i
thought it might be cool to try and meet up.  hey, it wouldn't be too
difficult considering the fairgrounds seats less than your average pro hockey
rink.
i've already seen this tour(your little secret) and this show is amazing!!!
i highly recommend seeing it anywhere you can.
if you plan on going or have questions or whatever just mail me.  :)

love,indigo,and little secrets,
kate

p.s--if anyone gay is going and isn't familiar with the area i'd be thrilled
to show off vt's amazing one "alternative"bar (how awesone is this state
when not one gay/lesbian bar exists) everyone there is gay, but for some
reason they refuse to admit that publicly..hmm..
i love vt!!!!! (i love
sarcasm!!!!!)
ok--i think it's time for me to go to bed...goodnight hugs and unusual kisses
for all --k

hi there everyone
well i'm just back from a glorious 2 weeks in scotland and i'm now
rapidly coming back down to earth...geez, it couldn't be anything but
a monday morning! anyway, i haven't had a chance to plough through
my mail yet...thanks for the tape jude and mairead...i'll get back to
you's once i've sorted myself out again.
hope newport was a blast...i got to see some good music while in
edinburgh...if you ever get a chance to see dar williams in concert,
you have to go...she's so funny and cool...and if anyone has ever
heard of an australian group called 'bluehouse' (female trio)...why
haven't you mentioned them before...saw them at the fringe last week,
completely by chance, hanging around after seeing another band...very
good, acousticy rocky type stuff...and gail in aberdeen, they're
supporting horse at a gig in the next week or 2, so go see them!
anyway, i have a million things to do.
hope you're all well and having fun :)

talk to y'all later
love helene
"steer clear of the shore, the coast is rough and rocky" kate wolf

helene burningham <h.burningham@ulst.ac.uk>
coastal research group
department of environmental studies
university of ulster
coleraine bt52 1sa
northern ireland
44(0)1265 324010

zoinks !!

deleted my mail about hash - slapping her forehead in dismay - i had soooo many
messages. could whoever e-mailed about the boot tape please e-mail me privately
about getting a copy of this ??

toodles :)

gail

hello from atlanta!

mike reynolds asked me to post this to the list, on the chance that
some of you might be interested and able to help.
--------------------
---------
the following is reprinted without permission from the atlanta journal
constitution, sunday, 8/18/96

        bags are packed.
        fourteen young adults with cerebral palsy are brimming with hope to
attend the paralympics but are falling short of funds.
        the residents of wheelhouse training and education center in
lakeland, fl, have received donations for two nights' lodging at warm
springs rehabilitation institute, box lunches from gorin's and paralympics
tickets from motorola.  but they were struggling to find money for
transportation and more food.
        "this trip could mean the world" to them, said karan wood,  an
atlanta spokeswoman for wheelhouse.  "they are wild with excitement."
        for information, call 770-974-7574.
                                                        __________________

andrew bissaro <abissaro@bbn.com> writes:

>shawn's post didn't sound to me like an exegesis on gay people's comfort
>with their sexuality. to me, it sounded like there were tons of lesbians
>making out, and it was uncomfortable to observe. perhaps shawn should have
>complained that there were tons of people there making out...

sorry, andrew. then you didn't read shawn's posting very carefully. here is the relevant part:

shawn@xyvision.com (shawn linderman) writes:

   >on to sunday's performances...but first a gripe. strong, if not completely
   >intimate, displays of physical affection should not be forced upon others
   >in a public setting where many people are coming together to share a common
   >event. it just happens that sunday's crowd was predominantly women and, of
   >those, predominantly lesbian (i'm always the last to know if someone is gay,
   >so this should tell you how obvious they were being!), but i would have the
   >same objection if a male and a female were engaging in the same behavior.
   >i dunno how others feel upon being forced to witness such displays, but it
   >makes me feel like a voyeur and _that_ is a degrading feeling.

   >i get the impression that because the indigo girls are gay (i didn't know
   >that till this weekend), these women were using that fact as a way to
   >validate their own gayness. i believe their thinking is flawed. rude
   >behavior is simply rude behavior. and the indigo girls are great artitsts
   >who just happen to be gay--they are not great artists _because_ they are
   >gay. if these other woman need to somehow equate greatness with being gay,
   >i suggest they aren't as comfortable with their sexual inclinations as
   >they seem to bent on proving they are.

while the main topic of the first paragraph is pdas, the main topic of the second paragraph is an
analysis of the motivations and behavior of lesbians at the concert. moreover, the very last sentence
is most **definitely** a comment of their comfort with their sexuality.

>it would have made me uncomfortable too. pdas have always struck me as
>untoward behavior, gay or straight, pride rally or sunday picnic.

as i said in my response, my objections with shawn had nothing to do with his statement about
pdas. had he stopped at the first paragraph, i probably wouldn't have even bothered to respond.
however, the second paragraph offended me, was completely misplaced, and totally out-of-line.

jo
jmelnik@lucent.com

hi, all.

>personally, i haven't decided whom to vote for yet -- clinton or the
>liberatarian candidate (the fact i don't even have a name indicates i
>have some research to do ;)).

the libertarian candidate is a dude called harry browne. here's a quote
from his web site (www.harrybrowne96.org):
*****
democratic politicians play games by "reinventing government," even though
every reform they propose makes government bigger and more expensive.

republican politicians play games by proposing to close down departments of
the federal government, even though they intend to transfer the functions
and expenses of those departments to other agencies-- leaving government
just as big as ever.

harry browne, the libertarian candidate, says government doesn't work --
and he wants to remove the federal government immediately and completely
from every activity not specified in the constitution -- education, energy,
regulation, crime control, welfare, housing, transportation, health care,
agriculture, and all the other areas the federal government has stuck its
nose into unconstitutionally over the past 60 years.
******
them's fightin' words...
personally, i am voting for this man, not because i buy the party line--i
vigorously disagree with much of it, actually--but because our system needs
to sweat out this malevolent, corrupted fever; after a lifetime of
stock-response, systemic self-preservation, i can't see any other way of
achieving that save for shattering the status quo.

xx,
ab

hi everyone!

thanks for your replies about boot policies/procedures.
i'm pleased to hear you're such an ethical group!

i work in the software industry where _any_ copying amounts
to taking money away from the programmers, so you can see
my concern...

anyway, several of you offered me boots, but i must decline
with thanks. couple of reasons for this, and i'll outline
them here.

first, there's no guarantee that a boot is _not_ sold for
profit by somebody. probably no one one this list does it,
but a boot recorded by someone on this list might find its
way into someone's hands who is not as ethical as you all
are. so regardless of good intentions, by participating in
boots, i might actually do harm to the igs.

the second reason is harder to articulate. i can pull up
the memory of emily messing up the start of her new song
on the piano at newport and still chuckle at her comment,
but if i had it on a recording, by the third or forth
listening, i don't think i'd be able to chuckle about it
anymore. it would lose its freshness or something, and fall
into the world of the mundane. plus, human nature being
what it is, imagination plays a big part in embellishing
memories--and my memories of that concert will always be
brighter and more exciting than any ol' tape! even more so
when you consider the boots' recording quality--i can't
imagine they sound very good compared to an official live
recording which hi-tech gear wired in to the individual
instruments and mics, etc.

it's kind of interesting when you compare the various
branches of the arts. those whose work involves sound
are a much different kettle of fish than the others.
painters, sculptors, etc.--there's no concept of a "concert"
for them. you might say a gallery showing could be their
version of a concert, but the pieces are exactly the same,
just put in a different spot from show to show... dancers
probably come closest to musicians in terms of the
uniqueness of a performance, but none of the other arts
have the freedom to improvise like musicians do.

i guess i just prefer that uniqueness to remain as a
personal memory, rather than a recording--it's more
intimately special that way...

shawn asked about bootlegs:

>reason i ask is that if you do make a profit and do not
>pay something to the artists, how can you call yourselves
>their fans? you are stealing from them! it's their work and
>sweat that enables you to make these boots and sell them
>for your own personal profit, yet you give them nothing and
>tell the world you are their biggest fans?

    woa!!!  i think if you hang around for more than a week you'd find that
nobody on this list is selling bootlegs.  most people on this list trade
one boot for another.  some will even make bootlegs for people who don't
have any for only a blank and return postage.  i have been on this list for
about 2 years and have never seen anyone selling a bootleg!
    there are other people and record stores not on this list that sell
bootleg cd's of ig.  it is my understanding that most of these are produced
overseas.  and most of the people who own bootlegs have every single
official release by ig already.  die hard fans just want recordings of
stuff the girls have never released, versions with different styles, or
covers that they've done.
     i have asked amy ray personally how she feels about people booting
their shows and she told me she didn't care as long as people didn't make a
lot of money from it.
    shawn, i think you better check youself before you wreck yourself!

--sunny,
who has over 170 ig bootlegs and took this very personally!

chris,

they will take your deck if you let them, but by law all they can do is ask you
to leave.  if you refuse they can file tresspassing charges.  at least that is
the law in texas regarding concelled weapons.  i assume it applies to tape decks
as well.they may bodily remove you, but that might not even be legal.  i would
go to the local police and file a theft and possible assualt charge, to get the
attention of the venue. you may also be able to file a civil suite.

the way that the secuirty people are treating the audenice these days is
dispicable. we pay for the whole show and make everything happen. but when its
over they heard us out like cattle. its time we start fighting back. if these
venues start getting law suites, then they'll start showing more respect.

trant

>
> does anyone know the rules on getting caught taping ???
>
> can they actually confiscated your tape deck ????
>
> i was snagged taping melissa last night in new haven, ct ... at the very end
> of the show - the show was literally over ... i was going to the shut the
> deck off and a security guard came over and asked "what's that ?!??!?!?!??" -
> and grabbed the deck and all and took off ... i was in shock ... never been
> snagged before - guess there's always a first !!
>
> anyways - a friend of mine (fellow booter) says they can't take your
> equipment - just the tape and batteries ... (the guard only got one of two
> tapes - glad he didn't search me :)
>
> just curious - i'd really like to get the deck back
>
> chris
>

i won't be able to check my email again until this evening so it
might be beneficial to check with the retailers for tickets just in case you
miss mine.

karen

        funny that rob wants a ticket to the sa show on wednesday and i just
got a phone call from a friend who needs to unload two of hers.  so first
come, first get.  email me if you want them.  if you miss them, cd warehouse
still had 7 tickets on friday, hogwild still had a few, and i don't know
about apple records but they were also selling them.  the soldout is because
white rabbit has sold their venue to the retailers - except for 50 tickets
which will be sold at the door on wednesday night 7pm.  so if you want to go
there should be a good chance of getting a ticket if you don't buy the two i
have.  no extra charges- just the $41 for both as paid for.

home, restressed, and waiting for tommorrow,

karen

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in-reply-to:  <v0213055cae3e33159a46@[128.89.11.23]>

> hi, all.
>
> >personally, i haven't decided whom to vote for yet -- clinton or the
> >liberatarian candidate (the fact i don't even have a name indicates i
> >have some research to do ;)).
>
> the libertarian candidate is a dude called harry browne. here's a quote
> from his web site (www.harrybrowne96.org):
> *****

> them's fightin' words...
> personally, i am voting for this man, not because i buy the party line--i
> vigorously disagree with much of it, actually--but because our system needs
> to sweat out this malevolent, corrupted fever; after a lifetime of
> stock-response, systemic self-preservation, i can't see any other way of
> achieving that save for shattering the status quo.
>
you wanna try living in this country ( uk ) where whenever a poll is
taken the majority say they will not vote conservative ( the party that
have been her almost as long as i have been alive .. not quite but i
don't remeber anything but ) how ever why it comes to putting a little
cross in the box people always seem to stick with the devil they know !!
then again looking at the alernatives this country has to offer ...

jules
whose getting off his soap box now !!

though im sure info on this was posted already
         -------------------!* zentertainment *!--------------------
         zentertainment
         august 19th, 1996 - issue #52 - yin
         zentertainment.com or aol keyword: zentertainment

         indigo girl amy ray's own label daemon records will release
         honor this tuesday, a double-cd benefiting the honor the
         earth campaign; a non-profit organization that helps fund
          groups  working to protect their community from
         environmental threats. the discs include rare and unreleased
         tracks from artists such as soul asylum, toad the wet
         sprocket, victoria williams,  bonnie raitt, matthew sweet,
         rusted root, excene cervenka, and luka bloom. the honor the
         earth campaign is a joint project between the seventh
         generation fund, the indigenous women's network,  and the
         indigenous environmental network. for more information i
         encourage you to call 1-800-earth-07.

hey!
does anyone, by any chance, have boots of the following shows...

sept. 22, 1989 tampa theatre, tampa fl
oct. 9, 1990 van wezel hall, sarasota fl
oct. 10, 1990 tampa bay pac, tampa fl
may 10 and may 11, 1991 jannus landing, st.pete, fl
jul. 17, 1992 tampa bay pac, tampa fl
jul. 19, 1992 peabody orlando hotel, orlando fl
may 3, 1993 mahaffey theatre, st. pete, fl
may 4, 1993 tupperware convention center, kissimee, fl

please e-mail me personally and let me know!
~~robin (whose fingers are crossed).

"crazy game i never shoulda started to play but now you couldn' t tear me
away"
--e. saliers

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joann melnik <jmelnik@lucent.com>, wrote:

>sorry, andrew. then you didn't read shawn's posting very carefully....

thank you, joann, for retrieving me from the swamp of my ignorance.
analyzing the motivations of pdas is, upon rereading, as discomforting as
observing them in progress.

hi folks in ig-land !!

yup, tis i, gail,sadly back at my desk in aberdeen, scotland but left with great
memories of an absolutely fabulous indigo-flavoured holiday.

i'd just like to thank everyone on this list for making me feel so welcome and
enforcing the thought that where music is involved, there are no countries, no
borders, no differences !!!!!  it was a truly wonderful experience and i'll
never, ever forget my first 3 ig gigs.  a special big thank you to bert for
organising the fan tour to newport (gaun yersel' big man) and letting me stay
with him during my visit.   <sniffle> now i'm getting withdrawal symptoms again.
if anyone knows of a job going in unix or pc support over there......

thanks ! :)

now onto my "want" list. i was wondering if anyone had boot'ed any of the first
3 gigs of the practice tour - newport, hampton beach or roseland cos i'd be
interested in a copy or even becoming the european "branch" of a tape tree ??
also, if someone (maybe howdy - fit like howdy!!) could e-mail me set lists for
those same gigs ?? i know, i know, i should have written it down myself but my
attention was somewhere else ;)

well, thats all for now. y'all are wonderful people...if you're ever in
scotland, please come and visit me !! :)

toodles :)

gail <-- wondering how long til the map tour proper and if she can hold out that
long....

in a message dated 96-08-19 10:24:04 edt, shawn writes:

<< it's kind of interesting when you compare the various
branches of the arts. those whose work involves sound
are a much different kettle of fish than the others.
painters, sculptors, etc.--there's no concept of a "concert"
for them. you might say a gallery showing could be their
version of a concert, but the pieces are exactly the same,
just put in a different spot from show to show... dancers
probably come closest to musicians in terms of the
uniqueness of a performance, but none of the other arts
have the freedom to improvise like musicians do.

i guess i just prefer that uniqueness to remain as a
personal memory, rather than a recording--it's more
intimately special that way... >>

hi shawn !

i was interested in your reference to painters, because being
a painter, i am driven by the desire to preserve the beautiful
(an not so beautiful) things in our culture. i guess that's why
recordings of shows appeal to me....that way i can explore
and study the performance in much the same way that
i do the contours, colors and values of a visual image.

i also have this real gut belief that art is to be shared...that is the
purpose of it, and i find the emphasis on retaining the monetary
value of every piece (for example...boots, and in my case
someone using my art work on a personal web page, or a poster)
of art to be antithetical to the meaning of art. my goal is to share
my gift with as many people possible...i know that is naive in this
litigious society...but it feels right to me.

i draw the line at others using my work commercially. that may
happen in this case...but i can't imagine any but the most die hard
ig fans paying top dollar for these recordings of varying degrees
of quality ;) when one looks at some of the most succesful bands
around ...the dead and phish...this attitude has helped thier success.
there is a new paradigm that has been fostered by the growth of the
internet which reads ::: "the more you give away, the more you get."

also...many of us give donations to organizations (in my case,
the honor the earth fund ) for every unauthorized recording
we recieve. (it's important to give back to the universe :).
i think this is a good thing !

well, those are my thoughts on the matter...thanks for bringing it up !

love !
claire

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subject: nigc: e-mail problem!!!!

     hi! sorry for the waste of space here. i've been having a real lot of
     e-mail problems, lately. to anyone who has tried to reach, got bounced,
     i'm sorry 'bout that, and if you need to reach me i'm at 1-800-443-4253
     at extension #0546--i don't want to lose touch with anyone here,
     especially the tape-trees---thanks.

     btw, the shawn colvin/jackson browne show i went to last night
          was excellent!!!--shawn colvin is fantastic(need to go-out
          buy her stuff now!!!)

-----------------------------------------------------hippie dream

to the kind soul who sent me a "map" t-shirt annonomously..thanks
a bunch..
how can i repay?
pooh

okay, okay....i have never been on time in my life i think. so here are my
week late newport comments:

(the bullet meathod seems to be catching on, so i think i'm going to try it
out...)

-i think greg said it best when he described newport as utopia. all say, it
sure beats my real life. any place where people feel comfortable enought to
hug and kiss is great to me. funny the pda there didn't even phase me. (but
it didn't phase me at the pizzaria when two women were kissing, and my
companions told me "it was the first time i had seen that up close" or better
yet "i just wanted to take out my book and sketch them.....")

-ani was great. i love her, and it was the first time seeing her live.
although i think she was a little shocked with the whole experience. maybe
ani has grown to big for her boots.

-folks need to learn that who ani is....she is a musican, not your
justification to break the law and expect to get away with it. just let her
play music, and not take up the responsibility as your savior.

-i missed joan armatrading. :( nuff said

-sunday rocked!!!!!!!!

-thank the creator for listees. you guys made my day and my weekend, what
would i have done with out the kindness bestowed on me. you guys are
great!!!!!!!!!!! whoever says that the world is a more violet hostile place
hasn't been exposed to the right people!

-moxy!!!!!!!!!!!! a pleasant surprise, i even finally got one of their
albums, only been waiting 6 months to find one. of course they are just as
cool to talk to aswell, but i do think that fruheads are a little bit more
psycho then any one group of people. i love em!

-lisa loeb was better than i expected, and michelle shocked was great.
gatemouth was awesome, that guy has such talent.

-well do i even need to say anything about ig? i think its all been said.

-i met i-girl.....again.....nuff said. (although i missed her and her pyt
when they came by the blanket, it seemed that everytime i got up i missed
someone....)

-aunts who have tickets to nff and spend the day christmas shopping
suck...and so do their partners who have more joy in waiting in the line for
the boat home.

one last thing to ponder......
if newport was so wonderful, why are these post nff venues so bad??? is ig
trying to pretend that they are little known artists and this is all they can
get???? yeah fun!!

kate
oh yeah, on last (i promise!!!) remark.....ducks are the greatest
conversation starter. so when the list dies down some more, expect some duck
talk.....the tour is about to start up again

hello, all! =)
      i have but a moment to post my usual "if i owe you anything write to
me" stuff... elizabeth, yours will go out tomorrow, i think.  kate, i don't
even _know_ what i'm sending, but i have a stack of stuff for you, i
believe... please write. =)  anyone else, if you sent a tape for a tree it
should get there soon.  i have 16 packages going out tomorrow.  anyhow, about
srii... i got it home and put it in right away.  i sat there and tried to
figure out whether or not i liked it... it took a few listens for me to
figure out that i _might_ like it.  then it was put into the rotation at
work, so i hear it a few times a day... now i find myself hoping that the
random function will be kind and i can hear it more! =)  no disrespect to any
amy people out there, but emily's slightly strained high notes are what did
it for me... something i don't love about amy's voice on this one... i think
it's really time for me to come out.  (p-head, you're going to love this
one!)  i, sarah, butter biscuit guru, am, after michelle malone of course, an
emily person.  and there you have it.  buy srii.  you'll like it, and you'll
help out sick musicians. =)  (sick in the body, that is.  we're all sick in
the head. ;) )  have a wonderful day, all! =)  peace, love, and birds on
fire, sarah

sorry for the bandwidth!!

could everyone who is sending me a tape for the newport boot, please send a
little note reminding me what i am taping for you! thanks! capricorns are
the best! love sundara

please send back information about ordering tee shirts.

so..is there anyone out there who has a really goodlive version of this
tune???

also..any boots of the girls when they played the metro here in chicago?
thanks
pooh

btw and long over due..
a great thanks to you all who sponsored me on the aids ride..alone
iraised over $5000 and between the 1425 riders we raised close to $5
million..construction has already begun for the canticle house here in
the subburbs..
i thank you all..it was well worth the effort,,( oh yeah, they lied..it
was suppose to be 450 miles..turned out to be 502 counting detours and it
never got below 89 degrees but we had a great time..join me next year!)
pooh

well kellie i got yoru tapes today and im almost done with them i hope u
saved the list i sent out abotu whats on them casue all they are gonna
have is the show date and place
hugs anthony van pyre

did anyone ever post a description of this shirt? is it worth getting?
it's available from the regular old fan club, right, or am i totally
mistaken here?

amy

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while we're on the subject, does anyone have a boot of the little five
points pub reuinion show held several years ago at the roxy in atlanta?

this was one of the concert highlights of my life, and i would love a
boot of it...

darren

hey y'all!!

guess what happened to me today, i was at my local best buy when i looked in
the $1.99 cd bin.  by some higher force, a grabbed a cd and it was tame
yourself.  it has the girls duet w/ michael stipe on it called "i'll give
you my skin"; i knew they did it but never knew where to find it.  wow!!
first cd i picked up!!  so i got it and it's great.

i also got "grace" by jeff buckley.  if none of you have heard him he is
very good.  a friend of mine let me hear "hallelujah" and i had to get the
disc.  very mellow stuff but very good.

ok, here's my take on sweet relief ii: the ig song is strange at first but,
like others have said, it grows on you. i really enjoy "panic pure", "dodge"
by dog's eye view, and "gravity of the situation" by nanci griffith &
hootie, and i had already heard live do "supernatural" on unplugged but i
still love it. pick it up if you wanna listen to some great songs.

thanks for raedin'

take care-
rob

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here once again is the list of songs on the boots u will be copying for
people  so far kellie deis is the only persons tapes i have recieved nad
they are going out in the mail as of tomarrow nad as aearly as today
>
indigo girls franklin&marshall college lancaster, pa
05-07-93 joking > hammer and nail                     play  it again sam
> welcome me                          romeo and juliet
> strange fire                        southland in the springtime
> pushing the needle to far           prince of darkness
> love will come to you               chickenman
> land of canaan                      watershed
> galileo                             all along the watch tower
> never stop                          american tune
> center stage
> indigo girls houston texas 09-03-94
> fugitive                           angles in the trees(w/murray attaway)
> wood song                          ghost
> secure yourself                    chickenman
> hammer and nail                    galileo
> renunion                           kid fears
> power of two                      language or the kiss
> land of canaan                    southern man (w/kristen hall)
> mystery                           closer to fine (partial)
> this train revised
> least complicated
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well y'all, i got this on a humor list, and i thought it was perfect for
y'all, so here goes...

retro-credits: two of the messages sent to the list recently have been
given
credit. the message with the questions was credited to steven wright,
george
carlin, and gallagher, so to whichever one actually wrote them, kudos!

the second retro-credit is about the phone companies.  i found out that
this
piece came from the this is true mailing list.  please do not forward
excerpts
from that mailing list to me for distribution, especially without the
credits.
the author of that list is rather rigid about that, as i had asked him
before
if i could forward something and i was flatly denied.  my apologies for
forwarding that.  it was submitted without appropriate credit.

---------

newt gingrich is on an airplane, flying back to dc. the guy sitting
next to him is immersed in a book and pays no attention to newt.
toward the end of the flight newt asks:

newt: "what book is that you're reading?
man:  "it's called 'deductive reasoning'."
newt: "sounds interesting, what's it about?"
man:  "let me give you an example."
newt: "okay."
man:  "do you have a dog?"
newt: "yes, i do, as a matter of fact."
man:  "i would deduce from this, then, that you have a yard as well,
no?" newt: "yes!  i do have a yard." man:  "then i would further
deduce that you have a house next to this yard?" newt: "i do!" man:
"then i'll bet you have a family, don't you?" newt: "yes, a very nice
family!" man:  "and you're a heterosexual, aren't you?" newt: "you
betcha!  i'm beginning to see how this works!"

later that week, newt goes out and buys the book on deductive
reasoning and is determined to read it cover to cover on his return
flight. his plane takes off and he begins reading. two hours later,
the man sitting next to him notices how newt is so engrossed in this
book, and just can't keep himself from being impolite and
interrupting:

man:  "excuse me, sir, what's that you're reading?"
newt: "it's called, 'deductive reasoning'."
man:  "oh.  then you must have learned how to use deductive
reasoning, eh?"
newt: "well, yes, as a matter of fact i have.  let me show you how it
works." man:  "okay." newt: "do you have a dog?" man:  "no." newt:
"well, then, you must be a homosexual!"

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hi! after all of the trading i've been doin' with y'all,
i ended up with a few indigo girls extras:

      new orleans jazz fest 5/2/96, c90
      f & m college-lancaster,pa 5/7/93, c110
      university of new orleans 5/4/96, c90
      red light cafe  2/25/96, c90
      the beacon theatre-new york,ny 6/1/92, c90
      oyster bay,ny 8/29/90, c90
      purple parrot 1986, c90

     these are first come first serve
     i only have one of each,and don't have great equipment for dubbing
     ...if anybody is interested in these,
     you can have them if you trade me blanks.

     the condition for all of these is good(not great,excellent,or bad),
     and the tape brands are all different. some were even on normal
     position, i guess they were taped off cd...

     these were made for me when i first joined the list by some great
     human beings. i just kept-on trading for stuff---that i didn't
     realize i already had...duh!!!

anyway, hope this helps-out anybody who wants them!!

...paul

anyone? anyone get the whole thing? i'm still in massive ig-withdrawal...i
didn't know that seeing them live would plunge me into such awful depression!
geez...i'm happy, insanely crazily happy that i saw them and they were so
incredible....(long pause for katy to breathe again)...but i miss them!!!!
crazy, huh? :)
i love you all, the list is keeping me sane...
katy

okay,  just to put in my 2 cents worth.  i have been listening continuously
to the atlanta pride boot since i got it this weekend (thanks cami!!)  and
the la la la's that amy sings in shame on you do not sound like anything
remotely top 40 to me.  they do a little on the nojf boot.  but who cares.
i love them!!!!  and only 12 days till bumbershoot!! love sundara

sent this awhile ago but never saw it..just wondering if there are any
other chitown fans out there lurking...i see folks from the south and
east coast even northwest coast but no one from my home town..i can't
really be the only indigo fans here can i?????
pooh

hi --  i'm interested in getting a copy of the nff boot, but i'm not getting
any response from the person that's supposed to be handling my zodiac sign,
(sagittarius)...  so if you're out there, or if anyone else would care to
help me out here,  i just need an address to which i can send a blank tape...
  thanks!

--lisa

help!  i was at the phila show at the electric factory and it was
unbelievable!!!  i would really appreciate if anyone out there could tell me
how i could possibly get a bootleg of the show.  please e-mail me.

thanks

tara

ahhh studing....ahhh school work.....ahhh the end of summer

so i'm going through my old bootlegs, and finally listening to some of
them.....it's great to hear people flip out when kid fears comes on.....or
maybe r&j....but of course i would probably flip if amy played r&j too.....

well i have some (god this girl can't sing.....get your mouth away from the
recorder!!!!!) questions about some old boots of mine, so if any of you have
the following could you email me?

thanks a bundle.....

phoenix 5.25.95
denver 5.21.95
charleston 2.7.95

i know there are more, but i don't have them in front of me. these were all
apart of some boots carol jones made sometime ago. speaking of, does anyone
know how to reach her?? i owe her some stuff.....lorindigo can attest to how
slow i am at responding sometimes...i'm getting better though:)

thanks again
kate

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date:         mon, 19 aug 1996 20:14:25 -0400
reply-to:     neil johnson <njohnso@bgnet.bgsu.edu>
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from:         neil johnson <njohnso@bgnet.bgsu.edu>
subject:      re: subject: review: ben & jerry's newport folk festival (fwd)
x-to:         joann melnik <jmelnik@lucent.com>
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i must applaud your well written post/response to some thoughts that i
have noticed flying though the list sournd this time.  i appoloigize for
not responding earler but i've been away.  i hesi9tate to say you are in
the minority off people who can discuss an issue like this without
fighting about it emotionally; personal experience and being flamed by the
list already.  if this type of thinking was the majority people and theiry
character would become the central issue and not whether they are gay or
not./  to me it dosen't matter i think most people are opened minded
enough to think/hope that this is the case.  i could be toally wrong on
about that but i pary not (another area that we definetly don';t have time
to discuss and shouldn't here.

neil...

hey guys and girls,
again, i have moved here in ecuador...i had all kinds of problems with the
place i was at here in quito.-.....well, i am happy to say that all is
better.

i am now in a two bedroom apt for only $140 a month/two people. my good
friend ashlee moved in with me.
so, please throw out the previous address...and use this one! i would
totally apreciate any mail....makes for a good day!
rob augino
hernan cort�z 127y diego de almagro
quito, ecuador
south america

thanks all!
take care
rob

since a few people were asking about the demo t-shirts, i thought i could
shed some light:

they are both neutral color. the one we bought says "map" in big black
letters, then in smaller, red letters it says "demonstration:not for sale".
on the back it says, "indigo girls" (in black ig script) then "practice tour
- august 1996" (in black) and that is followd by the dates(in red). a
warning about the size - we bought an xl and even after it was in the dryer,
it comes down to my knees (literally) and i'm 5'4".

the other shirt had a similar message that said something like "indigo girls
- demonstraltion : not for sale" on the front, but the message was diagonal
and low and would be obscured if you tuck the shirt in.

i hope this was helpful,
carlisle

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date:         mon, 19 aug 1996 17:25:00 edt
reply-to:     tracy & homeward bounding beasts <clumber9@alliance.net>
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from:         tracy & homeward bounding beasts <clumber9@alliance.net>
subject:      nigc - on my way home now

just fyi y'all... i am leaving for the long drive home to my beloved seattle
area on, approx., weds.  i need to thank this list for a lot... more than i
can even sum up... sorry to all i am behind in chatting with... time is
suddenly no longer mine... :-)  my email address will be the same. i will be
back in a matter of days.  if you want to fill my inbox with "welcome home"
and "we are so proud of you" notes.. feel free.  :-)
        seattle area brethren?  i want to hug you all in person asap.
contact me and i will get you my snail address and phone number if you wish.
still hoping to see you at bumbershoot.  computer is probably being packed
tomorrow night... so anything y'all need before a weeks from weds... get to
me by then.

you all rock. thanks for everything. wish my luck in that i do not
kill my mother while she helps me drive the stuff over....

my mountains or bust!!!

tracy
~~~~^~~~^~^~^~^~^^~~~^~^returning to my mountains!!!

"cow!!!" "another cow!!!"
"no, i think that was the same cow as before....:"

-twister

thought this may be interesting reading for the listers...copied w/out
permission.

the philadelphia inquirer, august 17, 1996 entertainment
      400 n. broad st.,philadelphia,pa,19101
        (fax 215-854-4483, print run 515,523)
        (e-mail: inquirer.editorial@phillynews.com)

singing and chatting, indigo girls grab crowd
by sara sherr
for the inquirer
''every time we practice, we always end up talking, so we have to come on
stage'' to rehearse, indigo girls' amy ray confessed to a capacity crowd
lucky enough to score tickets to the folk-rockers' rare small-hall concert
thursday night at electric factory.
an indigo girls show is like being in the practice room, anyway. dressed in
jeans, t-shirts and overalls, ray and partner emily saliers engaged in
informal southern-tinged banter (''thanks, y'all,'' ''y'all doin' ok?'') and
encouraged sing-alongs. their intensely loyal fans know every lyric in the
atlantans' five-album catalog.
the purpose of thursday's show was to try out material on the mega-sellers'
album in progress -- their first studio set since 1994's swamp ophelia. the
new tunes, which took up about a third of the set, aren't a radical departure
for the girls, but do involve new instrumentation. (helping on thursday was
michelle malone, the joan osborne-like opening act and former member of ray's
daemon records roster).
instead of acoustic guitars, ''get out the map'' used mandolin and banjo.
''kind friend,'' about going on the road with a band, featured saliers on
dulcimer.
on ''cut it out,'' saliers -- the sweeter of the two vocalists -- tried
her hand on slide guitar. and she played piano on solo tunes ''winthrop'' and
''leeds,'' which came accompanied by a story. according to saliers, she wrote
the lyrics to ''leeds'' on the back of a franklin planner, then lost it in
england, only to have it mailed back to her.
the song most likely to cause a stir when the girls' as-yet-untitled album
is released undoubtedly will be ''it's alright.'' its line ''don't hate me
because i'm gay'' caused the crowd of fresh-faced college students and
hand-holding lesbian couples (some waving the gay rainbow flag) to erupt in
cheers.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
stacy waterworth
usa women's soccer supporter

my server screwed up today, so i was wondering if i could request someone --
anyone -- to resend me the article posted by stacy about the ig concert.
thanks very much!

anna

hey everyone-
i just heard from cynthia that there are really cool list t-shirts.
is there anyway that i can get ahold of one?  please e-mail me or the
list if anyone has an information.  just caught their nyc show and
was in awe as usual.  if only the people who weren't real fans
stopped talking, it would have been heaven.  it is amazing how
everytime i listen to their sounds i discover something new.  thanks
for any help you can give me.  take care.  michele

     ---all this talk about the philadelphia show has me wanting a copy of
        it real baaaad!!! can i get a copy?????
     ---the other night at my acoa meeting we were sharing about
         'not regretting nor wishing to shut the door on it!'
        so, i read some verses and the chorus to 'the wood song' to the
            group for a symbolic 'anchor'---it worked, and i think i
            just introduced i.g. to 13 new people
        --amy,emily, i love you, and am truly grateful that you have
                     become an integral part of my life!!!

...paul

>sent this awhile ago but never saw it..just wondering if there are any
>other chitown fans out there lurking...

yep, there are quite a few chicago ig fans, myself being one and also a
fellow iglister. perhaps we should be noted as being from "shytown", as we
seem to be lurking most of the time.

keep rockin and always take a stand.

roxy

hi again,

if anybodie out there in indigo-land has boots of the following shows, please,
please, please could they get in touch with me :

        newport folk fest, ri - 11/8/96
        hampton beach casino, nh - 12/8/96
        roseland, nyc - 14/8/96

these are the first 3 ig gigs i've ever been to and, yes, i'm sentimental enough
to want copies so i can re-live those wonderful moments again and again.

also, if anyone has any info on hash or the atlanta pride boot.....

please e-mail me privately so as not to waste bandwidth. if y'all get the
digest, my e-mail address is 101635.715@compuserve.com

thanks

toodles :)

gail

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date:         tue, 20 aug 1996 10:42:29 -0500
reply-to:     tritessa <gsajaf@noctrl.edu>
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from:         tritessa <gsajaf@noctrl.edu>
subject:      re: chitown fans
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yep, i think we are just lurkers. i'm from chicago as well :)

"first you kiss me like a lover, then you sting me like a viper..."
jen

ok, some brief thoughts regarding the norfolk show:

(1)     do not go to a show at the boathouse if you:
        a.  are under 21
        b.  suffer from heat exhaustion
        c.  are used to temperatures below 90 degrees f
        d.  expect the crowd to be quiet during slow songs

(2) it takes 19 hours to drive from massachusetts to virginia
starting on friday night if there is traffic.

(3) norfolk is 4 hours south of maryland, not 45 minutes like my
friend who lives in maryland told me.

(4) the boot is better than the show.

so those are my thoughts from the norfolk show. i thought it pretty much
sucked, but only in terms of ig shows--it was the worst ig show i've
seen, but still a good show.

i have a boot, and the boot is better than the show was. i will trade it
in september, when my life calms down.

one other thing:  the crowd was really loud during both of emily's piano
songs and during kind friend.  i think emily got pissed--she went right
into galileo (i think) after the second piano song and didn't even get
amy enough time to get ready.  amy gave her this look like "whoa!" and
you could just tell that emily was ripshit.  i hope someone apologized to
her afterwards.  it was really embarrassing.

they debuted a new song there, too. i have the name from the setlist but
i forgot it. i will post it to the list when i get it.

so, my ig blitz is over. 4 shows in 7 days. i am sick now, too. :( i
think it was too much sweating in a crowd of 1000+ people. oh, well. i
can't wait to do it again!

to all of you in the southwest: enjoy!

margaret

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date:         tue, 20 aug 1996 13:34:46 -0400
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on tue, 20 aug 1996, margaret clayton wrote:

> one other thing:  the crowd was really loud during both of emily's piano
> songs and during kind friend.  i think emily got pissed--she went right
> into galileo (i think) after the second piano song and didn't even get
> amy enough time to get ready.  amy gave her this look like "whoa!" and
> you could just tell that emily was ripshit.  i hope someone apologized to
> her afterwards.  it was really embarrassing.

the crowd was *really* rude during the slow songs. emily was pissed after
"winthrop," i could see her face as she sat at the piano after the song, and
she just kind of stared at the mic for a second and then said sarcastically,
"thanks.." she had a real pissed-off look on her face going into the next
song, but seemed to get back into the swing of things pretty quickly.

it really was rude of the fans, but i can't imagine slow piano songs going
over well in that venue anyway. honestly, both songs bored me, but i would
never be so rude as to talk over them.

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deb \\ indigo@clark.net \\ http://www.clark.net/pub/indigo

hi y'all,

i wasn't going to post on this 'cause i thought it was stuipd,
but i'm in particularly good spirits today so screw that!

i'm trying to get in touch with the person who posted about
having gotten sulli's autograph on their t-shirt. and to
find out if anyone has any sulli related info and/or photos.

okay, that's it. i feel like a fool for writing this but i'm
laughin all the way...

denise :)

   well, i've been lurking on the list for about 2 weeks now and decided
that i finally had some indigo content that justified a post. tonight ig
will be playing at a venue known as the backyard. they've played there for
at least the last 3 or 4 times they've visited austin. it's very well suited
to their music, and if any of you ever get a chance for a road trip to
austin (especially to see ig in concert) i would recommend a stop at the
backyard. it's a restaurant that has, well, a backyard so to speak to the
side of it. the west dining area opens onto a large deck which could
probably hold about 200 or more people standing, and then in front of that
there is about 20 yards of lawn with the stage capping it off at the end.
the area is surrounded by tall, shady trees--the backyard is in fact in a
semi rural area. the only thing about the backyard is that if it rains,
there's no shelter...but when the weather is nice, a concert is a beautiful
experience.
         i have just one last anecdote to share and then i'll sign off.
about 2 years ago during the first leg of the swamp ophelia tour, ig played
two nights at the backyard...the first night a typical texas summer storm
built up, began sprinkling during the opening act, and then pouring
afterwards. the crowd was getting a bit rowdy....i was sitting in some
stranger's lap because that was their condition for sharing an umbrella with
me ( !!! )....finally emily and amy came waltzing out to inspect the stage.
emily picked up a microphone, and in a very soft, timid voice started trying
to get the crowd's attention but no one could tell what she was saying. then
amy, sans mic, walked to the edge of the stage, waved her arms in the air
and bellowed "hey!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"....and everyone shut up. still,
without a mic, she told us that it would be another 45 minutes until
showtime because they had to mop the stage so that they wouldn't "get, you
know, electrocuted...ya'll don't want us to get electrocuted do ya?". it was
so characteristially amy.  so, that's the story. i'll report back on
tonight's show sometime tomorrow.

*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*((*(*(*(*(*(*((*(*(
what do you do when democracy is all through?
what do you do when minority means you?
---proclaimers
*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)

ok, i have gotten the philly tape together and am ready to offer it up to
the list. at this point, i'm not going to start a tape tree. however, if i
get overwhelmed with stuff, i will break the taping down into groups of say
20 or so and then will let everyone know what group they're in, etc.

the tape is 100 minutes long and sounds pretty good considering we had to
keep the tape recorder hidden because we were sitting in front of the sound
board and a security guard decided to post himself right behind us. the set
list is as follows:

least complicated
three hits
get out the map
don't give that girl a gun
i don't wanna know
leeds
it's alright
tried to be true
prince of darkness
chiapas bound
ghost
cut it out
winthrop
chickenman
wild horses
galileo
hey kind friend
shame on you
closer to fine

if you would like a copy of this tape, just send a message to me at
deanna@nicom.com and i will provide you with the information you need. also,
if anyone would like to do a trade for this tape, that would be awesome too.
just include your list in the message and we'll try and work something out.

later-
deanna

      sorry to waste space again! does anyone know if jackson browne
             has a list like this--i can't find it on any of his webs.
          i gotta get a boot of the show i was at!
     also, did i mention i love shawn colvin, now after seeing her??
     how do get her un-released stuff???
                                                         ...paul

hey again, folks.

i'm back, sorta. i'm gonna make a few brief comments on the events of last
week...and what a week it was.

first, i hate to start out on a negative note, but i've been reading various
comments on rude concert-goers, and on pda's, and i just can't keep quiet
anymore. over the past week i went with my friends to newport (all 3 days),
roseland, and the electric factory. i met so many _incredible_ fans (both
listees and non-listees) and i had a marvelous time talking to each and every
person i met (waves to all you guys!). as far as nff is concerned, i can't
really come up with a single negative thing to say. sure people hold hands.
sure people kiss. sure people dispense with some semi-necessary articles of
clothing. sure people walk on your blanket (it's crowded, they have to).
basically, my comment comes down to these four words: "it's a _folk_
festival!!"

now for the rude concert-goers (and this actually sort of applies to nff even
tho i said i didn't have any negative comments. i, unfortunately, discovered
something about _some_ ig fans last week. they'll do anything to anybody for
the chance at a spot in the front row. at roseland (and electric factory) i
waited in line for 6 (count them) _6_ hours. my friends and i were amoung the
very first in line, and we felt comfortable we'd get the front row. several
_hours_ after we got there, a girl (let's just call her "fire hydrant woman")
and her friend arrived, and began hanging out near the entrance (leaning on a
fire hydrant...hence the name.) the group of people at the front of the line
overheard these women plotting ways to barge through the line to get front
row. we went up to them _several_ times and calmly explained that we'd been
waiting there for hours, and that they should make their way to the back of
the line (where they still would have had decent places if they had chosen to
get in line.) they never did get in line, and when we were allowed through the
doors i made my way to the front row amy's side (woo hoo!!) and turned to find
fire hydrant women and no less than _4_ of her friends there in the front row
between me and the center of the stage. sheesh. i wouldn't have gotten up so
early and spent 6 hours sitting on a sidewalk if i'd known that all i had to
do was be an asshole to get front row center. a similar incident occured at
the electric factory. a woman and her friend snuck into line behind me after
we'd all been waiting there several hours. no one around us knew her. several
people asked them to leave. they didn't even respond. i informed the group
behind them, but no one was ever able to get them to leave. this time the
nasties didn't cut in front of me, but i felt bad for the group they did cut
in front of. now, i know this topic has been beaten to death by now, but i'm
going to rant a bit anyway. i know that the vast majority of us are great,
thoughtful people who would never do this sort of thing, but face it. there
are some ig fans out there somewhere who are incredibly rude. (and i'm not
even getting into the bit about talking and complaining during the new songs.)
hey people, remember the indigo girls and their message? remember the thing
about peace and love and gentleness and fairness? remember the whole idea
behind folk music? or have we all just sold out for a good close up view of
amy's new hairdo? if i've offended some people, good. because you wouldn't be
offended if you weren't rude.

and now for the positive part of my post. well, i guess you've already heard
all the essential details from everyone else who was there. i'll just chime in
some energetic swooning. newport was fantastic. the band was spot on. the
girls were thrilled to be there. it was, bar none, the greatest experience of
my life. friday and saturday were wonderful too, and btw, does anyone by any
chance have a boot of the friday night show? i sure wouldn't mind having a
tape of that little laugh-fest, especially cheryl wheeler's show-stopping
comment. ;)

i talked to sulli some after roseland. she's great. :) she threw me a pick
after newport. someone was making comments about her being overwhelmed teching
for the girls because the waits were so long. i'd say, no, it's just that
she's only one person. sulli's a complete professional, and has been in the
business a long time.

i got a pick after roseland too (used, amy's) thanks to a great security
guard. :)

as i said we got front row for both the nyc and philly shows. once on amy's
side, once on emily's. i've never had the pleasure of that experience before.
it's amazing because the girls make frequent eye contact with people all up
and down the first couple of rows. what a thrill to have emily smile right at
you! i got to throw flowers for amy thanks to susy (if you're on this list and
i'm butchering your name i'm sorrrrrrryyyyyyy!:) they landed right at her feet
and i somehow managed not to spill her tea.

as i said before i met a _lot_ of people (probably about 15), and i'm not
going to try to name all the names now (but for starters, hi greg and deb and
margaret and kate and deb and amy and maggie and joe and lynn and...) and i
have to tell y'all that the whole social aspect of this concert/festival stuff
is just as much fun as the concerts themselves.

and for my grand finale...with a thousand thank you's to joe and maggie...i
got to meet the girls for the first time ever. *huge grin* wow, what a thrill.
it was brief, but it was all i ever wanted. i got to tell them each how much i
loved the new songs (and i do), and i got to shake em's hand, and have a
little conversation with amy. nothing huge or monumental, but it sure made me
happy. and as far a i remember i didn't even say anything that was too
obnoxiously stupid. :) yay me!

ok, this was really long (so much for my "brief" comments) but now i got it
all off my chest and i feel _much_ better now. :)

i'll probably think of more later, but...

folkisgruven,
lorindigo

driving...

i will not be complacent

"jump, jangle, jiggle and rock. fly through the sky. sail across the top.
spin out, give out, give in. you're alive!" -melissa ferrick

if i remember correctly, the ig concert is supposed to be broadcast on
realaudio august 22nd. can someone confirm that? i'm looking at the
audionet web site (http://www.audionet.com/) and i do not see a
mention of it anywhere.

a synopsis of connection site/link, times, etc would be most
appreciated (and i'm sure i'm not the only one wondering!)

thanks,

chris

dear listees,
    i am trying to get in touch with daemon records for some info., and i
cannot get a phone number.  does anyone know where i can find it?  calling
information does not help.  aren't record companies usully listed?
if you have got any ideas, please email me.
thanks
amy c.
email      carpen48@pilot.msu.edu

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date:         tue, 20 aug 1996 17:27:06 -0500
reply-to:     claro casey <claro@m2.monsterbit.com>
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subject:      honor cd release
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well, today is the official release of the honor 1 cd. you can see
it/feel it/listen to bits of it at http://monsterbit.com/daemon/
you can also order it...it's $15 + $2 shipping. we are accepting credit
cards through the site, so those of you that might have difficulties
finding it are in luck. this is a really cool record and all proceeds go
to an even greater campaign...so come support it!

also...for those of you that can't be there on sept. 20th, monsterbit media
will be broadcasting the show at northrup auditorium in minneapolis live on
the internet. stay tuned to www.honorearth.com for more details on the
broadcast as well as the rest of the campaign.

thanks!

mellie price

>since a few people were asking about the demo t-shirts, i thought i could
>shed some light:
>they are both neutral color. the one we bought says "map" in big black
>letters, then in smaller, red letters it says "demonstration:not for sale".
> on the back it says, "indigo girls" (in black ig script) then "practice tour
>- august 1996" (in black) and that is followd by the dates(in red). a
>warning about the size - we bought an xl and even after it was in the dryer,
>it comes down to my knees (literally) and i'm 5'4".
>the other shirt had a similar message that said something like "indigo girls
>- demonstraltion : not for sale" on the front, but the message was diagonal
>and low and would be obscured if you tuck the shirt in.

...<sunny, extracting head from butt>....
these are the shirts that they are selling at the concerts now, right?

--sunny

hey all, the review of saturday nights show at the boathouse finally came
out in todays paper and i thought i'd send it on. first i'd like to make a
few comments of my own:
   i've seen the girls there at least 5 times and it has never been that
   hot inside nor has the crowd ever been so rude. i believe the girls
   really enjoy playing at the boathouse because of its atomsphere.
   i only hope that one bad experience will not deter people from coming
   to the boathouse the next time the girls are there, we have other good
   venues near by and yet they have choosen to book at the boathouse
   it must mean something. anyway heres the article from the va. pilot.

indigo girl blend sturdy sound, twining harmonies
  compared to the current crop of edgy female songer-/songwriters-alanis
morrissette,joan osborne,tracy bonham - the earnest indigo girls are
downright tame. the duo's sturdy sound, built around twining vocal harmonies
and acoustic guitars, toes a safe line between pop and folk.
  and for a crowded house in norfolk saturday night, safe was just fine.
  the georgia pair's zealously received boathouse performance was just one
stop on their summer "working" tour. the grammy-winning girls are currently
between albums - their last release was 1995's double live "1200 curfews"
and the cross-country jaunt is serving as a pratice session for their return
to the studio next month.
   along with comfortable renditions of familiar favorites, virtually all
of which became crowd singalongs, amy ray and emily saliers mixed in new
material, new arrangements and even new instruments, including mandolin
and banjo.
   in the downtime since the girls' last studio album, 1994's popular
"swamp ophelia," saliers has taken up piano, and she serenaded her enthusaistic
audience with a new ballad whose lyrics reference current affairs, such as
the recent black church burnings.
   other new material proved similarly topical, including "it's all right,"
whose lines "do you hate me 'cause i'm different?/do you hate me 'cause
i'm gay?" brought supportive whoops and applause from the largely female
audience. in recent years, ray and saliers have made public their own
homosexuality.
   for several songs the indigo girls were joined by old pal and opening
act michelle malone on guitar, harmonica and third-part vocals. malone,
who in her more intense moments sounds like a gentler janis joplin or a
junior melissa etheridge, kicked off saturday's concert with a guileless
set comprised largely of songs from her forthcoming album.

hope you enjoy.
sharon

has the nff tape tree been released yet?  i was disconnected from the list
for 5 days, and i am very interested in getting the boot.  thanks,
                                                                         ali
           <ind8igo@aol.com>

i saw copies of a cd (not the screwed up kts cd) of history of us @ rdr but
it was missing the reverse one live cuts...but there is a near exact copy of
the kts cd called "blood and fire" which does have the r1l stuff. i picked
up a really cool cd (i have to ask perry if i should men tion it -- it is
not ig- i'm not that mean) when i was there. i also did a little interesting
ig related sight seeing. i was sorta almost going to go to house of blues
and i was w/ jill pullen- i was torn so she said flip a coin. heads for
seeing the video i despirately wanted to see, tails for rock for aids, it
was heads. best two out of thee.heads. three out of five. heads. tried
another coin. heads. i went to check out if there were tixs anyway, and if
kristen was playing relatively early it would be worth it
the schedule as i was walking in
mary's fortune express 8-9
kristen hall 10-11
michelle malone 11-12
emily 12 -12:45

now, for one thing it was the last6 night i needed to pack and i had a
incredible opportunity to mix and mingle with several disabled artists whom
i respected. second, i saw two of the four monday night. third, who ever
would be up till 1 am and have to go to work the next day is insane, which
maybe why it was not sold out. i am all for supporting atlanta artists but
it was way too quick of a trip. i will venture south again.
mike r.

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date:         tue, 20 aug 1996 20:26:13 -0400
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from:         michael reynolds <asl@umcs.maine.edu>
subject:      if you get sports south or cbs and you want ig boots...

i would love it and trade either the blank video tapes and ig audio or some
ig video to tape the hour long (10 -11 pm each night) summary on sports
south or if you can tape the cbs network coverage this weekend, i would be
extremely grateful b/c it was not b'cast in maine at all and the folks i do
know have problems with their vcr's. if you taped last friday's coverage
please email me!!!!! i really am trying to get the opening ceremonies
coverage of the paralympics for personal use only. i also think cnn showed a
special sunday for 1/2 a hour. did anyone get this??? i did get the local
b'cast which was simulcast for 1 hour on thursday night (it is funny b/c
they interviewed one of the athletes and she was in my seat b/c i got there
20 min. late -- blame it on marta (atlanta subway)... i also have some
pretty good stills of the opening ceremonies (infact, the best will be on a
www page later tonight, with a cool picture of chris reeve 8^)

access=equality!
mike r.

does anyone know what server #indigo-girls is on?
thanks,
bon

bonster@alaska.net

hey y'all!

i just wanted to introduce myself a bit to the list!...first,
thanks to the young woman who was wearing one of y'alls ig list shirts
at the newport folk festival concert!...because of her shirt, i found
out about this great list!...

so, i've seen ig only once, though i've bought every cd, import
and domestic, that i've been able to get my hands on...

about me, i'm from alabama, but go to school in boston...i'm 100%
thai, born in america...so i look asian but sound southern, go
figure...of course, i'm a big fan of ig and i am an email
junkie...thanks for this list, and i look forward to learning more about
ig and y'all!...@=d take care, jen

does anyone have appearances from any television shows (letterman, 120
minutes, unplugged, etc.)? i have never caught the girls on tv except for
one time after nff last year when they appeared on vh1 for about 2 seconds...
please let me know, and i'll send a bootlist...=)

peace, love, and demo tours,
ponygirl

just got home from work and was channel surfing and as i passed the country music channel, i
recognized hammer and a nail and they were "line dancing" to it. cowboy boots and plaid shirts and
line dancing. no kidding. ahhhhh.

marian
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