lifeblood: listlogs: 1996-09b

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date:         fri, 6 sep 1996 23:26:57 pst
reply-to:     c a finlayson <gynergy@juno.com>
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from:         c a finlayson <gynergy@juno.com>
subject:      lifeblood

has anyone else noticed the extremely addictive
properties of the lifeblood site?
once you're logged on you can't get out!!!!!!!

gynergy

>from our children to our elders, from all nations we will rise
may respect for all our differences ,enhance our common ties
we will rise like the ocean , we will rise like the sun
we will rise all together, we will rise
pat humphries "common threads"

wow, finally a post that isn't about t-shirts! there is a god :)

well i recently got home from a night on the town with my hopefully still
dear friend dwayne :) now usually any ole night on the town is special with
dwayne (one, two, three awwwwww) but this one may be headed for the record
books. the strange thing (are you getting these puns dwayne?) is that we
somewhat haphazardly planned the evening.

i originally called him earlier today to ask about seeing a movie; that
didn't seem to work out so we opted for dinner. we ended up at a little
greek/mediterranean place at an east side mall here in milwaukee (the mall
has more free newspaper stands than it does stores, but that's whole other
discussion).

service was slow, the food was decent, but it soon was time to leave. prior
to getting up dwayne asked if i would mind heading to the used book store
that was in the mall. i politely said "no problem" although what i really
needed was some gum to mask the babaganoush (just had to get that word in
there) i had eaten earlier. i also knew i wanted to stop at the record
store on the way home to get ferron's new cd (which, btw, emily sings on)
and pick up honor. in all honesty i was hoping we didn't spend too much
time at the bookstore because i wasn't sure what time the record store
closed.

after some time in the bookstore (yes, this does have a point to it),
dwayne made his way to the cashier. i wasn't quite sure what was
appropriate behavior for a friend who was waiting for another friend to
purchase used f.scott fitzgerald, so i noted all the used vinyls that were
about the place and decided to see if there was an "i" section -- hey, you
never know! well low and behold there was, so i flipped past janis ian and
spied a familiar black frame and a steeple. my heart sank. i pull it out of
the rack. i check the price: $14.99. wow i'm getting it. "dwayne" i say. i
flash him the cover. his eyes pop. i walk over to him and we look at the
back: 1987. oh my gosh, an orginal strange fire. his eyes pop even more. i
tell him he can move in with me and look at it anytime. i hand the guy at
the counter a twenty. he asks if i want a bag. "no" i say. i try to contain
my excitement. numbers flash thru my head but i'm not certain. i guess it
doesn't matter because i'm keeping it. what a night. i thought nothing
could top yesterday when i got a 7.5% raise out of the blue. tomorrow i'll
be purchasing a lottery ticket.

deb

"fun is sacred..."
--amy ray

deb--

here's hoping this isn't too late and you are still in a particularly =
good mood. i'd like to order a large organic, if its possible. i'll =
put a check for $17.50 in the mail tomorrow.

thanks so much.

greta gohn
po box 502
chimacum, wa 98325

cgohn@olympus.net

you have no idea how long i've been looking for the original strange =
fire. or shades of indigo. or blue food. or especially color me grey. =
i've got some great bootlegs. could we arrange a trade? i don't want =
to have to pay rainy day records $400 dollars, but i'm getting =
desperate....

let me know.

greta

hiya,

does anyone have any info
on this benefit hosted by joan
baez w/ig and dar williams.

i think it's oct. 19 or 20...any
phone number or ticket info?

thanks, mrb

     i saw the ig in madison on may 8th in madison at the barrymore theater
     (as i page thru all my day timer pages :) on their honor the earth
     tour. i am still in awe of the 3 indian women who opened for them.
     does anyone, pleasepleaseplease, know if they are on any cd or did
     anyone make a boot of this show?

thanks...kira

and ps...deb, big time congrats on your big o' raise even though i'm
suppose to pretend i don't care :(

and pps...juliet, thanks for this i was lol! :):)
"**** olly cow ( <------kira - for cow read llama!!)"

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date:         sat, 7 sep 1996 08:48:26 -0700
reply-to:     dragonman <djarrell@ix4.ix.netcom.com>
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from:         dragonman <djarrell@ix4.ix.netcom.com>
subject:      re: searching for band...

at 09:33 am 9/7/96 -0500, you wrote:
>     i saw the ig in madison on may 8th in madison at the barrymore theater
>     (as i page thru all my day timer pages :) on their honor the earth
>     tour. i am still in awe of the 3 indian women who opened for them.
>     does anyone, pleasepleaseplease, know if they are on any cd or did
>     anyone make a boot of this show?

actually, you saw them at the civic center.  the barrymore is where ani and
ferron play.  :-)  the three indian (native american, i guess) women were
ulali, and they appear on the honor1 cd.  actually, they open and close the
2 cd set, and one of them wrote the altro that is used in blood quantum.
"all my relations" (the opener) is a very cool song.  i think they have
their own recordings, too, but i don't have info on them.

i also have two boots, but neither of them has ulali.

hope that helped. :-)

:dwayne

djarrell@ix.netcom.com
"it sounds really cool to be without a care in some southern town,
but i heard there's trouble down there if you're chiapas bound"
-amy ray

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date:         sat, 7 sep 1996 08:47:31 -0700
reply-to:     dragonman <djarrell@ix15.ix.netcom.com>
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subject:      re: license plates - oh, no, not another one!

chickensoprano suggested this license plate:

>wolfe <-- virginia residents only

that's good. but you might want to spell it woolf. :-)

:dwayne

djarrell@ix.netcom.com
"it sounds really cool to be without a care in some southern town,
but i heard there's trouble down there if you're chiapas bound"
-amy ray

in a message dated 96-09-06 09:39:17 edt, fagan@austin.ibm.com (jim fagan)
writes:

>kris mckay has two cds out, but i think one is out of print now.
>the earliest one is called _what love endures_, and is on electra
>(i think). i've seen this a lot in the used bins around austin,
>but i don't know how it fared nationally. i could probably pick
>this up for interested people, if there are any.
>the latest one is called _thing that show_, and it's on the
>shanachie (sp?) label.

i bought "things that show" last night at borders music.  it is excellent, i
would highly recommend it!  i also found "honor" there.  i went to *6*
different cd stores before finding it.  guess i need to consider moving to
atlanta!  anyway, i love it.  how about luka's version of "bury my heart..."?
not bad!

i got the rest of my pictures back from newport yesterday. they rock! i
will see about having a few scanned.

have a great weekend!

jan in scottsdale

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date:         sat, 7 sep 1996 12:35:25 edt
reply-to:     chickensoprano <creechal@aslan.emu.edu>
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from:         chickensoprano <creechal@aslan.emu.edu>
organization: eastern mennonite university
subject:      indigo dream

i had a frusterating indigo dream last night that i'm going to
subject you all to the retelling of. ;)

the girls were going to play at my university, and i had really good
seats.  but, there were two opening acts that were really stupid.
the second one, right before the girls were going to come out, was
the worst.  one of the band members was supposed to do this banjo
solo (side note:  chapel yesterday was a guest banjo-playing minister
from wva), but she couldn't get her strap fixed right so that she
could put is on an play.  so, being the helpful person that i am, i
went up on stage and helped her fix it.  well, she was so peeved over
my assistance, that she refused to play and the whole thing was
ruined.  i was upset, and ran out of the auditorium.  i could hear
some of the administrators talking in the next room, and they said
that the concert was canceled.  i was so upset!  i had sat through
two crappy bands to hear the girls, and then i didn't even get to do
that!  so, teary-eyed, i wandered into the now empty auditorium, and
lo and behold, there they were, standing on stage.  they were messing
around with cords and looked like they were trying to set up, but
were confused as to why no one was there.  so, i told them about how
the concert had been canceled, and they were very sympathetic.  they
were going to play some songs for me when i woke up.   it was an okay
ending, but otherwise a bad dream. :-}

anna

"lord, what fools these mortals be." - puck

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date:         sat, 7 sep 1996 12:35:48 -0400
reply-to:     amy lynn carpenter <carpen48@pilot.msu.edu>
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subject:      funny dream

hello listees
okay, if you know who the band ned's atomic dustbin is, you won't believe
that last night i dreamt that they covered ctf.
the worst part is, it wasn't half bad!
see ya
amy c.

you can get the mountain stage cd from a great alt country/folk source
i just discovered called miles of music. e-mail to milesomusc@aol.com
or call 818.883.9975 for info/order/catalog.

i heard a rumor the indigo girls were going to be playing at the alamo in
olympia washington. anyone know if this is true?
(for the bread & roses benefit maybe?)

hollie
"to thine own self be true"
-shakespeare

deb--great news about the t-shirts.  i'll put money in the mail today.  =
thanks for making an exception to the rule.  about strange =
fire...believe me, i would never ask for the original copy.  if i ever =
got my hands on a piece like that, i'd eat with it, sleep with =
it....anyway, all this to say, a copy is what i'm after.
i have bootlegs from shows ranging from 87 to 95.  playing solo, with a =
band, opening for the dead...you just need to tell me what you want.
...that goes for you too kirsten...i will give you copies of every =
bootleg i have, along with my entire life savings for a copy of color me =
grey...i've been looking for that album for way too long...let me =
know...i'd love to get my hands on blue food also.
thanks so much you guys.

greta

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date:         sat, 7 sep 1996 15:42:46 -0400
reply-to:     joe hamilton <fhamilto@bayflash.stpt.usf.edu>
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from:         joe hamilton <fhamilto@bayflash.stpt.usf.edu>
subject:      collectors update, happiness, pre-mature announcement

howdy :) i had a pretty good day today and was inspired to write a letter.
lessee..where to start. first a mini-collectors update..there is a promo
version of the honor cd that includes a third disc. on this third disc are
public service announcements by the bands on the cd including two by the
ig :) and i also found an epic promo strangefire which has a blue insert
card (j card) and white lettering..with no pictures on it. i dunno i may
have posted that already...but anyway that leads me to the pre-mature
announcement. i'm going to try to make an on-line indigo girls museum.
i've been rambling about the museum for quite some time and it's a nice
idea i think though it's unrealistic to attempt in the real world. of
course the next best thing is cyberspace. the museum will include a
complete listing of the indigo girls museum archives including pictures of
the rarer items and a list of collectors updates so collectors can keep
each other informed of what's out there. they'll be as many original
pictures as i have room for and also some recycled stuff from the web.
since i've collected many things from my time touring, i'm going to
incorporate a tour scrap book to the museum ..maybe a few candid pictures
and
some stories as well. to complement this museum/scrapbook i'm going to
start an on-line record store which of course will focus on the ig and ig
friendly music. i do have more than my required 3 copies *for the
archives* of some items and will offer those for sale as well as some of
the photography. plus there will be a bit of normal vinyl and who knows
what else. i have a good portion of this site started but am having a bit
of
trouble getting my pictures scanned cuz every scanner around me is broken
or having software problems. so after this delay is worked out it should
be a matter of a couple days before i'll send out the address. so what
does this mean to you? :) it means a place to find those hard to find ig
collectibles that you always hear about but never see for sale. it means a
place to see original photographs and it provides information not
available anywhere else on the net. i hope to link up with all other
relevant sites so that you can come to my site and then move on to find
that new michelle malone cd and so on. if you have any suggestions or
things you'd like to see or hear about..please let me know. which brings
me to the happiness part of the post :) :) :) <-- that means big ass smile
the archives are fairly complete. i've been working very very hard and
spending lots and lots of money to make this collection the most
comprehensive around. the one item that has escaped me is perhaps that
most important of all..the e.p...a million thanks to louise welch for
donating this crown jewel of ig collectibles to the archives! she has been
a special friend for a number of years now and i treasure her as a pillar
in community of indigo girls spirit. thanks again fortunate one
that's all for now
we are fortunate ones,
joe

you guys might remember russ saying he had some honor the earth tour
posters for sale last month. well i ordered one and it arrived yesterday
and i am just in love with it. i went out and bought an oak frame for it,
which is something i have never done before for *any* poster, not even my
monet posters. :)

below is the info he originally sent to the list. i measured the poster so
i could buy the right size frame and it's actually 17 x 22. it also lists
the tour stops but that doesn't detract from the design. along the top it
says "honor the earth 1995" and on the bottom it says "protect endangered
peoples, protect endangered species." the watercolor of the navaho woman
is simply gorgeous and i sat staring at it for like 30 minutes last night.
wow, what a loser, i admitted to doing that on a friday night. :) the rest
of the design is as he described below, he just wasn't very complete. oh
this is funny, my friend dan, who hates ig (i know, why is he my friend?)
was over last night and he said "wow!" when he saw it on my wall. :)

the poster arrived rolled up in a sturdy tube so i think the $7.50 price
is really a great deal when you consider the postage and tube is included
in that price. i am sending this to the list because you might have
avoided ordering it thinking it wasn't that great or a scam or whatever
but i just wanted y'all to know it *really is cool* -- it's in my living
room so if you wanna come up and see it first just send me an email (grin)

kristina

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from russ:
> since there seems to be a poster stream going--i'd like everybody to know
> that i have some left over full color posters from last years honor the
> earth tour.

> the cost is $7.50 including shipping--the poster is a reproduction of a
> watercolor by camilla lacapa and is a navaho women with the earth behind
> her.

> in large letters (shadowed) are the words "indigo girls." the framing of
> the poster is a series of rock art images. it is 18x24 approx send checks
> to omi, 289 east 5th st, st paul, mn 55101 for more info send me an e-mail
> at omi@dexmn.com peace, russ

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trying to read andrade@az.com
the greek upon the stars http://www.az.com/~andrade

hi everyone....i'm new here and it is my heaven to find all these people with
the same obsession....the girls.   anyways.  i am trying to get my tape
collection going and i was wondering if anyone is willing to trade or help me
out.   i don't have much to offer in return, just a few indigo shows that
everyone in the world has and some melissa  etheridge shows and that's it.
but any response would be greatly appreciated.

"you said good friends are hard to come by, i laughed, bought you a beer
cause it's too corny to cry "

sasha

deb--
i'm biting my fist.  hard.  i'm really sorry about the post, but i have =
no idea how to send it private and i thought you had delivered it to the =
entire list.  this technology thing is new to me...it won't happen =
again.  i'll figure out how to work my comp before i send any more.
my profound apologies.
greta

large....

thanks again.

ok ... for anyone insterested, i finally have the boot of ig @ roselands
finished ... i also have michelle malone's set ...

anyone interested e-mail me privately ... lets not bombard the list !!!!

chris

chris--

okay, lets see if i've got this right. as you've probably heard, i've been having a bit of a problam getting privates across....
any bootlegs you're missing? i'll see what i can do...a trade would be great.

greta

kirsten--

sounds great...

my address is:

greta gohn
po box 502=20
chimacum, wa 98325

i'll try my best to bust my was into my friends recording studio to make =
your copies (better sound quality), but if it doesn't look like that is =
going to work, i'll just do them on my stereo. might take a week or so, =
but i'll get them to you. if i send you repeats, don't hesitate to let =
me know, and i'll copy different ones.

you'll be hearing from me soon.
greta

jamie--

thanks. i'm clobbering myself just the same. what a great way to make =
a first impression. i still have no idea if this is private or not. =
i'm trying....

greta

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date:         sat, 7 sep 1996 18:18:18 edt
reply-to:     kirsten chevalier <kirsten@.local>
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from:         kirsten chevalier <kirsten@.local>
subject:      happy birthday! (sept 6-7, '96)

soory, you september 6 people...i was out debauching :-) all day yesterday,
and i just plain forgot about you :-(.

mazzonev@ucs.orst.edu (victoria mazzone) (sept. 7, happy 36th!):
"so i just sit around the house and resist, and not be seen until i cease to
exist / a kind of conscientious objection, a kind of dodging the draft"

holleys@uamont.edu (mindigo)(sept. 6th, happy 23rd!):
"i can't go home anymore, i don't wanna find out what i left there for..."

carl0573@maroon.tc.umn.edu (dana m carlson) (sept. 6th, happy 21th!):
"i wished her insight to battle love's blindness
strength from the milk of human kindness
a safe place for all the pieces that scatter
learn to pretend there's more than love that matters."

ak486@dayton.wright.edu (bil tonar)(sept 7th, happy 21st!)
"i laughed as i said it, this is my situation / it's not pictures or privilege,
just self-preservation / i don't want you to feel any obligation / would it
be so funny to be free...."

(least complicated, i don't wanna know, love will come to you, reunion)

:) :) :)
--
kirsten chevalier kirsten@olaf.wellesley.edu
"because i want, because i will, because i can, so will i kill..."
--jonatha brooke, "war"
http://wilbur.wellesley.edu/n-z/t1kchevalier/t1kchevalier.html

remember the special events group selling tix for the ig shows in
minneapolis? this is before they went on sale at ticketmonster and
one had to join the group before buying tix.

well, i bought the membership & tix for the 9/21 show (they had 9/20
& 9/21 listed). got a call on wed or thurs of this last week that
the 9.21 show had cancelled. those who bought 9/20 tix...congrats!

anyway, in trying to reconcile my situation the lady (arlana)
mentioned that the concert could've been cancelled for any number of
reasons to include a) there was trouble getting additional "honor"
acts (both were to be benefits for the honor cd) or that b) there
werent enough tix sold.

seems strange to me that an ig concert wouldnt sell out, especially
after the difficulty of getting tix for the rest of the demo tour.
anyone know anything?

also, arlana mentioned that there was a possibility that the 2nd
minneapolis show might be done in another city, perhaps portland or
seattle. carolyn, miranda, binky -- stay on the lookout.

anyone know anything (or hear anything) about this?

melissa

>ok... i am suddenly feeling a wave of stupidity come over me. can someone
>puh-lease tell me what the ballad of squeaky fromme is??? all i heard was
>the short clip on the watershed video, and i know nothing more. whats it
>about, where can i hear it?

there is the most excellent version of this on my no curfews
compilation tape. really raw sounding. and for those of you who missed
it, you can get this from the tree:

aries--susan
sguardino@vnet.ibm.com

taurus--kellie
kdeis@kent.edu

gemini--cynthia
crecca@admin.njit.edu

cancer--melissa
mkennell@baldwinw.edu

leo--leah
mary.l.anderson-8@tc.umn.edu

virgo--karra
kmcleroy@umich.edu

capricorn--sundara
smurphy@ups.edu

libra--bon (and canada)
bonster@alaska.net

scorpio--kevin
kevinc@adainc.com

sagittarius--melissa
hdtx97a@prodigy.com

aquarius--gwen
gkeyt@paul.spu.edu

pisces--kewl kay
stu_kaswenne@jmu.edu

for people in the uk
juliet
j.l.a.long@reading.ac.uk

and for people in asia/australia
anna
ahidalgo@fc.emc.com.ph

for those in canada
bon
bonster@alaska.net

for those of you sagittariuns, please be patient as i haven't mailed
out melissa's tape to her yet. she is trying to do a good job, but i've
been holding her up. it's coming and i know she'll do her best to get
everyone's tape out as soon as she finally gets it from me.

--sunny

well, i've finally been motivated to post!  yay!  i haven't done this in a while
so please excuse me and any mistakes i may make! ;)
i took this weekend as an oppurtunity to watch my few ig videos (watershed, live
at the uptown lounge, austin city limits, letterman appearance a few months ago,
fuzzy copy of disney) and i noticed a major change in emily over the years.
not only has she gotten stronger vocally, she has also, in the past few years,
taken a big chunk (half) of the spotlight on stage. i dunno.  if you watch
uptown, you'll notice that amy's the major attraction, singing most of the songs
and cracking many of the jokes.  and in watershed, they both go crazy and
completely crack me up.
anyways, i just thought i'd bring this up and perhaps spark a small discussion.
bravo to emily for letting her fantastic and charismatic personality shine
through! :)

avital

avital@lucy.cs.wisc.edu

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date:         sat, 7 sep 1996 17:54:41 -0500
reply-to:     mr rodney s wicker <rucr57a@prodigy.com>
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from:         mr rodney s wicker <rucr57a@prodigy.com>
subject:      3rd platinum album...
x-to:         martine@aracnet.com

>in today's paper, there was mention of the september record sales
report
>from the recording industry association of america, and new
platinum
>statuses for different groups.

>ig were mentioned as being "acts with new platinum plaques in their
>study."

>any ideas as to what release they are refering to? rop? n*i*s?

according to the latest issue of billboard magazine, "swamp ophelia"
just went platinum. the magazine states that this is their third one.

the other two platinum discs are "indigo girls" and "rites of passage.
"
they also had songs on the "philadelphia" and "boys on the side"
soundtracks
that have also gone platinum!!

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date:         sat, 7 sep 1996 19:27:32 edt
reply-to:     chickensoprano <creechal@aslan.emu.edu>
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from:         chickensoprano <creechal@aslan.emu.edu>
organization: eastern mennonite university
subject:      nigc: ani concert in harrisonburg, va

hey, um, there's going to be an ani concert in h-burg, va, november
16, if they can get it worked out, and i was wondering if there are
any list members planning to go. i know it would be cooler if i
could meet y'all at an indigo concert, but there just aren't that
many happing right now, if you know what i mean. so, that's why i'm
asking about the ani concert.

sorry to waste list space with nigc, but i really want to meet some
of you face to face sometime.

anna

"lord, what fools these mortals be." - puck

i'm confused...what is the horoscope deal and how can i get involved =
with it? i'm dying to get a copy of squeaky fromme, as its the only amy =
solo that i've heard parts of and don't have on any of my =
bootlegs...info maybe?
thanks...
greta

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date:         sat, 7 sep 1996 16:57:55 -0700
reply-to:     tanya or gregg <psu04707@odin.cc.pdx.edu>
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subject:      nigc: speaking of ani...

ani difranco is scheduled to play the roseland theater here in portland,
or on october 29 which is a tuesday at 8pm. it's an all ages show and
tickets are on sale at all fred meyer fastixx (503) 224-tixx. she really
rocked at bumbershoot and it's going to be great seeing her again so
soon! if anyone is interested in meeting up, let me know.....

gregg

since we seem to be on an ani concert kick, i thought i'd mention to anyone
in the wisconsin area that ani's playing at the barrymore in madison on
november 8. i'm calling for tickets on monday, and can't wait to see her for
the first time!

~abigail

****************in the words of emily saliers:******************

"there i am in younger days
stargazing, painting picture perfect maps
of how my life and love would be
not counting the unmarked paths of misdirection
my compass, faith in love's perfection
i missed ten million miles of road i should've seen"

due to some technical difficulties (mostly time catching up to 1,
000's of emails during the recent ig blitz) sunny & i had trouble
connecting on the sagittarius (spelling) branch tape for the tape
tree.

1) apologise for this

2) those having sent tapes should have their copies in the mail on
wednesday.

3) for those who sent tapes & are going thru major ig withdrawal &
need their tape pronto, i would be happy to add additional postage to
priority mail yours to you. just e-mail me.

these types of things can happen when the girls are on tour and
people making tapes or who are branches of tape trees get caught in a
ig e-mail blizzard.  for a while there we were receiving more mail
than michael bolton has written original songs.  come to think of it,
me thinks mb has written only 2 original songs, so that's not to hard.
  oh hell, you know what i mean!!!!

peace, love & improving tape efficiency,

melissa

hello!! i know this thread has long since past, but i have a few more
misheard lyrics to add to the list. i was talking to a friend of mine about
misheard ig lyrics (of all things) and she told me a few of her own. at the
time i thought they were quite amusing; but that could have been a result of
the beer i had been drinking. isn't it strange how really stupid things
become really funny after you've downed a few? what i'm saying is, oh who
cares! nevermind my rambling on! i'm bored and tired and having ig
withdrawl. my cd player broke :(
so anyhow, here they are! a few more misheard lyrics!

closer to fine -- "he never did mary (yes, as in the name. mary who? i have
no idea) or see a big great movie..."

love will come to you -- "as if i've offered up a crystal bottle of glue..."

love and anger -- "with lines crossing into a hand and a heart that would
never breed..."

southland in the springtime -- "like the bayou with our tail lights in the
butt..." (what the hell was she thinking?)

let it be me -- (now this is an odd one) "shine my lie, fleck a light..."

hope you enjoyed these and sorry for the untimeliness (is that a word?
probably not).

love,

jendy

mary had a little lamb.
the doctor was surprised.

there seems to be some confusion out here about a purported september 21, 1996
show at in minneapolis--we neveer palnned a two show cd release event--we had
heolds holds on both 9/20 & 9/21 and decided we would do it on 9/20 since
dave matthews band is in town on 9/21

please check with ava productions if you have tickets for the 9/20 show--we
have not released any to her and cannot by contract with the venue

if you have any questions please e-mail me at omi@dexmn.com

take care
peace, russ

deb,
congratulations on your raise! wow, that's hefty!!! you certainly
deserved a "treat" made all the more special by an unexpected
goldmine (yer good ole ig original!!).

cecile

here's yet another update on the order's i have received. i will not accept
any new orders, so if you haven't asked me already it's too late -- sorry,
i have to draw the line someplace. and if your name _doesn't_ appear on the
"orders coming" list and you emailed me about a shirt, get back to me
because that means i made a mistake. more than 50 shirts were added to the
order in the past few days so it wouldn't surprise me if i misplaced
someone. so, let me know!

deb

orders received
--------------------
lori collins (1) xxl
lisa vartanica (1) l
amy putnam (1) xl
jan stevens (2) xl
joan ferguson (1) l (changed from xl)
lorinda wright (3) l
michele henkel (1) l
elizabeth lytle (1) l
sarah scilley (1) xl
paula laine (1) xxl
sara bailey (2) xl
dana warnez (1) xl
anna whipkey (1) xl
shelley moore (1) xl
holmes hummel (1) xl
jenny korn (1) l
anne haines (1) xl
amy tryon (1) l
gregg baird (1) xl
heidi lloyd (1) l
irene bruce (1) l
julie naughton (1) xl
ali kenney (1) l
amy vorpagel (1) l
sundara murphy (1) l
karra baron (1) xl
shannon datwyler (1) xxl
sheila fagan (2) xl (1) l
kathy brown (1) xxl (1) xl (got it! :)
dwayne jarrell (1) xl
tamara mizell (1) xl
maureen hatch (1) xl
alec heller (1) xxl
lori levy (1) l
holly van remmen (1) xl
emily monteer (1) l
abigail lank (1) xl
tracy brown (1) l
trant batey (1) xl
jo norvelle walker (1) xl
suzi steffen (1) l (3) xl (1) xxl
nancy johnson (1) xl
betsy bertiaux (2) l
cindy katz (1) xxl
steve shapiro (1) xl
dianne connell (1) l

total orders received: 58

orders coming
------------------
gail anthony (1) xl
i-girl (1) l
kimberly hobbs (1) xl
joann melnik (1) xxl
kendra elliott (1) xxl
heather coughlin (1) xl
pj battaglino (1) xl
magie poulos (1) l
ben <verdi@imap2.asu.edu> (1) xl
kay <stu_kaswenne@jmu.edu> (1) xl
marcia <mlc123@aol.com> (1) l
susan tomlinson (2) xxl
anne holderried (1) xl
phil dean (1) l
lynn cardamone (2) xxl (changed from xl)
maria veneziano (1) xl
elizabeth baird (1) l
elise (1) xl
melissa gordon (1) xxl
janet fitch (1) xl
pj harris (1) l
tina wong (2) xl
sarah (4) l
kathy miller (1) xl
dave ecoff (1) xl
january simpson (1) xxl
carol jones (1) xl
dimitra j. gianas (1) l
greta gohn (1) l
karrie (1) xxl

36 orders coming

94 total to be ordered

deb

hi everyone...i am  searching for anyone who has a tape of the show december
11, 1994 at the patriot center at george mason university.   if anyone has
got it.....i'm begging now.....puh---lease  let me know, maybe we can trade
or somethin........

-sasha

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subject:      recording info...

does anyone out there have the skinny on
where ig are recording their new album
and who is producing?

i've heard tennesee but any solid info
would be appreciated.

thanks

hey all!!
sorry for the waste of bandwith, but i was wondering if anyone was going to
the october 24th concert at carnegie theater for dar. i am really excited
about the show, but i need to clear things up, so if anyone has any info,
please e-mail me.

*lauren* lmd21@aol.com

!!  !!  !!  !!  !!  !!  !!  !!  !!  !!  !!  !!  !!  !!  !!  !!  !!  !!  !!
!!  !!  !!  !! !!  !!  !!  !!  !!  !!
"...i guess that's how you started, like a pinprick to my heart and at this
point you rush right through me and i start to drown
and there's not enough room in this world for my pain signal's cross and love
gets lost, but time past makes it plain...."    e.s.

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i just got back to school and am waiting with great anticipation for the
ig mpls concert.  i was a little surprised at the lack of interest in the
2nd night of the concert too... but, i think that perhaps this is due to
the very little publicity surounding the event.  nobody on campus seems
to be aware of the upcoming date.  i have friends on several mn college
campuses who had no idea that the girls were coming... until i informed
them :)   what's up?

peace, elisabeth.

-------------------------------
elisabeth m. nussbaum
nussbaum@stolaf.edu

for the person inquiring about where to buy kris mckay's cd... i saw her cd
in a tower listening booth, so it can be found at tower. and i'm sure
plenty of other places stock it as well if she's getting enough push to get
into the tower listening booth.

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__________________________________________________________________________
"i try to draw the line/ but it ends up running down the middle of me/
most of the time" - ani difranco, "out of range"

hello again all...
this is a formal apology to any and all of you who have been getting my =
so-called privates.  it took me a while to figure out how to work this =
thing.  i'm somewhat technologically impaired.  give me fresh air over =
computers...
i won't make excuses.  apology accepted?

also, i live pretty far out in the boondocks, so i'm usually the last =
one to learn if there are any concerts going on in my area, which =
doesn't make for fantasic seating arrangements in my opinion. if anyone =
hears anything about shows going on in the seattle, olympia, portland =
regions, could you let me know? i'd appreciate it.

greta

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subject:      sotw: kid fears

hey, y'all ig listers! it's a new week, so instead of being one of
the last to post about sotw, this time i'll be one of the first!

i have not found much inspiration from this song. in the past, i
have mentally added it to the list of amy songs that make little
sense to me. even now as i read the verses again, i cannot seem to
get a grasp of what she is trying to tell us.

the chorus:  "are you on fire from the years?  what would you give
for your kid fears?"  what does she mean by kid fears?  is it things
like the boogyman, or those fears that are so deep inside of us that
when we attempt to reach them, we are repulsed by their basic-ness?
is she asking us what we would trade them away for, or what we would
give to have them returned to us?  i'm not even going to touch the
fire, since everyone knows that it is a secret lesbian code. ;)

the impression i gather from the song as a whole is that it is being
sung to someone who has retreated into his/herself to escape some
sort of painful situation.  perhaps this situation has been their
life to this point, or perhaps it is recent.  amy seems to be trying
to draw them out again, and to show them how to survive it.  "replace
the rent with the stars above.  replace the need with love.  replace
the anger with the tide.  replace the ones that you love."

well, one thing i have gotten out of this song is a really great quote.

anna

"replace the need with love." -amy ray

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on sun, 8 sep 1996, chickensoprano wrote:

>
> i have not found much inspiration from this song.  in the past, i
> have mentally added it to the list of amy songs that make little
> sense to me.  even now as i read the verses again, i cannot seem to
> get a grasp of what she is trying to tell us.
>
> the chorus:  "are you on fire from the years?  what would you give
> for your kid fears?"  what does she mean by kid fears?  is it things
> like the boogyman, or those fears that are so deep inside of us that
> when we attempt to reach them, we are repulsed by their basic-ness?
> is she asking us what we would trade them away for, or what we would
> give to have them returned to us?  i'm not even going to touch the
> fire, since everyone knows that it is a secret lesbian code. ;)

i think she means that instead of having to worry abotu the rent and alll
that which she sings abotu in the song what would u give to have to only
worry about the things u did as a kid instead of the fears u have to worry
about as a adult fire a lesbian code???

>
> the impression i gather from the song as a whole is that it is being
> sung to someone who has retreated into his/herself to escape some
> sort of painful situation.  perhaps this situation has been their
> life to this point, or perhaps it is recent.  amy seems to be trying
> to draw them out again, and to show them how to survive it.  "replace
> the rent with the stars above.  replace the need with love.  replace
> the anger with the tide.  replace the ones that you love."
>
replacing the rent with the star above  meaning give up your worry of the
rent for a childish worry of the stars i do beleive

> well, one thing i have gotten out of this song is a really great quote.
>
> :)
>
> anna
>
>
>
>
> "replace the need with love." -amy ray
>
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hi y'all...i've been listening to the ig cut on the honor1 cd and i
think i have figured out most of the lyrics...but as usual there a few words
which have me stumped.

        you're standing in the blood quantum line
        with a pitcher in your hand
        poured from your heart into your veins
        you said i am, i am, i am

        now measure me, measure me
        tell me where i stand
        allocate my very soul
        like you have my land

genocide
genocide

colonize, you christianize, you patronize, you advertise (you...)

(you love your genocide?)

regulate, you assimilate, you appropriate, you...we love to hate you

genocide (you are a man without a face, you're just a number on a page)
genocide (you are a woman without a face, we'll just erase you)

there you are a man without a face, you're just a number on a page
there you are a woman without a face, we'll just erase you

        conscripted children, torn from truth, to the boarding school station
        force-fed the foreign tongue of fire, imprisoned education
        broken knowledge, pencil-scarred, spit-faced the ??? sage
        wisdom deep within the rock outlives the pretty lies upon the page

        genocide (how white the snowy graves)
        how red the blood terrain  (???)
        genocide (still pulsing with your dreams)
        above that ??? stain  (???)

then it repeats of course...can anyone clear up (or point
out any other misheard lyrics) for me?? thanks jen

hi again...just realized that after many years of higher education,
i still cannot spell correctly...please excuse the mistakes!!!

peace jen

all your mail's coming back. . . do you have a new address? :( nobody else
is interested in what's on the daily specials menu.

-danna

hello list...

a friend of mine is looking for a female roommate to share an apartment or a
house or to seek and share together in the germantown/ mt. airy/ east falls
vicinity of philadelphia. she is an open-minded, easy going feminist who can
afford $200-250/ month + utilities. please, no smoking or drugs. her name is
heather. call her at 215-957-1485 or email me for more information.

thanx!
cathy

hi everyone!  i've been reading the list for a few weeks, so i thought it
was time to introduce myself.  i'm 18 years old, and i'm a freshman at penn
(the university of pennsylvania).  i have loved the ig forever, & i'm so
happy to have found poeple who like them as much as i do.  thanks to the
technology here, i'm able to get e-mail & internet access completely free,
which is great.  i guess that's about it...i look forward to more
interesting comments in the future.  btw, jendy-i thought the words to ctf
were "see a big great movie" too, for the longest time, so your friend is
not alone!

andi

"the prize is always worth the rocky ride." -e.s.

three bootlegs that i'd really like to get my hands on have just come to =
my attention. two of them are amy solo's (white dot, 5/30/89 & atlanta =
ga, 8/4/90), and the other was recorded on my birthday (4/14) in central =
michigan u, 1995. anyone willing to trade? i'd appreciate it. let me =
know.
greta

in my interpretations of ig songs, i usually don't analize the lyrics to
find what amy or emily was talking about. instead i get a strong feeling
from hearing the song of what a or e was trying to say, and then find my own
personal meaning for it. kid fears is a great example of that. i love this
song, mainly because of the music--the three part harmony and amy's
intensity when she plays it. i haven't really searched amy's lyrics
thouroughly to figure out what she might have meant through the song, but
here's what it basically means to me:
obvoiusly our childhoods greatly shape the people we become as we grow up,
and looking back, it's easier to see things that could have harmed us, or
confused us as kids, even though they were probably actions of adults who
loved us and meant well. feeling a need to conform to gender stereotypes as
a child is almost inevitable for most people in our society, and when we're
young we seldom question it. but growing up, especially if growing up
involves coming out to yourself that you're not straight or even that you're
different in any significant way, can be extremely painful on many levels.
when amy sings kid fears, to me she's singing her heart out that now that
she's grown up, it's so wonderful to know that being true to yourself makes
everything worthwhile--even the pain and fears she went through as a kid.
being a teenager myself, this song is exremely special to me, and has always
given me a lot of encouragement.

~abigail
****************in the words of emily saliers:******************

hi listees--does anyone have a copy of the girls at memorial auditorium,
burlington vt, in 93 or 94?(i'm almost positive those are the years, maybe
it's 95). 94 or 95 or whatever was my first show and i'm dying to get it!!
i don't have anything to trade, unfortuneately, but i'd make any kind of
deal to get this boot! please emali me privately if you can help.
thanks y'all--kate

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subject:      re: emily's personality

i've always labeled myself as an amy- person, but lately i've been able to
appreciate emily's sense of humor and ***sparkling*** personality....
i've finally come to my senses...
emily rocks!!!
(but still manages to have more coordination in her pinky than i have in my
whole hand.)
-moe (simone)
-you go girl-

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subject:      seasoned albums

i'm sorry, i've gone on a posting-spree...
has anybody else ever noticed that differents cds correspond to different
seasons??
here's my take:
'indigo girls' (self-titled): summer album
'strange fire': winter
'rites of passage': summer
'nomads indians saints':spring (perhaps bc/ of southland?)
'swamp ophelia': definetly summer
i don't know whether this is bc/ of when i bought the cd/ when it came out, or
if its just my over-active mind @ work...
anyhow, just a thought...
-moe (simone)
---" i was insignificant...it bugged me" -ar

ok .  during the second new orleans show right before closer to fine amy is
talking about being at home and bad motivations and all that stuff.  then she
says " oh here comes gabe" (or dave  or something i couldn't hear)  then
emily says oh he's so fucking beautiful and they go on with their
conversation.  does anyone know who dave or gabe is ???? i'm just wondering .
: )

peace
sasha

in a message dated 96-09-08 18:05:41 edt, anna writes:

<< i have not found much inspiration from this song.  in the past, i
have mentally added it to the list of amy songs that make little
sense to me.  even now as i read the verses again, i cannot seem to
get a grasp of what she is trying to tell us.
  >>

maybe she fell down and hit her head right before she wrote it.

binky

(fire ! fire! fire ! fire !!!!!!!!)

in a message dated 96-09-07 14:11:46 edt, hollie writes:

<< heard a rumor the indigo girls were going to be playing at the alamo in
olympia washington. anyone know if this is true?
(for the bread & roses benefit maybe?)

hollie >>

that would bee ultra cool...but there is no place called the alamo
here in olywa.
the closest thing we have to a concert venue is the washington center
for the performong arts (where ani, joan & dar played),
the evergreen state college (yay!) and the capitol theater ( indigo girls
backstage at the capitol would be a trip..heh, heh.....inside joke to
the fellow olywa listers) and various taverns and such...but if they want
to play...we would be happy to accommodate them ;)

they could come and play in my back yard (it's vey large ;) !!!!!
i'll even supply the chips and guacamole !!!

binky

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subject:      new orleans show ??

peace
sasha

hi y'all...i second sasha's query...who are they talking
about...i've listened to the boot more than a few times and cannot figure
this out...
help!!! jen

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in a message dated 96-09-08 21:40:40 edt, indigofrk@aol.com (sasha friedman)
writes:

<< ok .  during the second new orleans show right before closer to fine amy
is
talking about being at home and bad motivations and all that stuff.  then
she
says " oh here comes gabe" (or dave  or something i couldn't hear)  then
emily says oh he's so fucking beautiful and they go on with their
conversation.  does anyone know who dave or gabe is ???? i'm just wondering
.
: )

peace
sasha >>

gabe was er... is joan baez's quite drop dead gorgeous son. :) he played
percussion during the song. :) it was so cool the way that a&e went on
talking and then sorta shut up at the same time... :) one of my most vivid
memories of the night, up there with claire shooting film at the thursday
show and the ring on eric's little toe.

rick
who remembers the oddest things.........

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subject:      re: seasoned albums

> i'm sorry, i've gone on a posting-spree...
> has anybody else ever noticed that differents cds correspond to different
> seasons??
> here's my take:
> 'indigo girls' (self-titled): summer album
to me, this seems more of a winter album...so many of the songs just seem to
come from a cold, dark place, though we do get a few meek rays of sunshine
(prince of darkness, love's recovery).

> 'strange fire': winter
naah, more of a sumemr album to me -- songs about getting free (i don't wanna
know) and running wild (strange fire).

> 'rites of passage': summer
agreed -- bright, fiery, upbeat songs like joking and galileo.

> 'nomads indians saints':spring (perhaps bc/ of southland?)
i can get specific here -- this comes from late august, early september, an
in-between time. a combination of blazing sunshine (hammer and a nail, world
falls), mellow subduedness (you and me of the 10k wars, girl with the weight),
and hints of the darkness ahead (welcome me, hand me downs).

> 'swamp ophelia': definetly summer
> i don't know whether this is bc/ of when i bought the cd/ when it came out, or
> if its just my over-active mind @ work...
well, *i* bought this one around october and at the time it was my only ig cd
and i played it over and over...so as a result, maybe, i associate it strongly
with autumn. summer is beginning to give up her fight (that unforgettable line
in mystery) but things haven't frozen yet (power of two, reunion). the darkness
has definitely taken hold, though (fugitive, dead man's hill, this train) and
we get a few glimpses of winter (lotk, fare thee well).

this is all mowo, of course. anyone else care to join this evocative thread?

--
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"because i want, because i will, because i can, so will i kill..."
--jonatha brooke, "war"
http://wilbur.wellesley.edu/n-z/t1kchevalier/t1kchevalier.html

in a message dated 96-09-08 21:50:45 edt, indigofrk@aol.com (sasha friedman
(by way of jlucero@monmouth.com jen lucero)) writes:

peace
sasha

         hi y'all...i second sasha's query...who are they talking
about...i've listened to the boot more than a few times and cannot figure
this out...
         help!!!    jen
  >>

i believe they're speaking about joan baez's son, gabe....

julie
jncalif@aol.com

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>'swamp ophelia': definetly summer

i have to disagree here. actually, it bothered me a bit that cd came out at
the beginning of summer because there are references to fall (and i didn't
want to think about fall at the beginning of a too-short rochester summer)

here is the evidence to back up my claim:

touch me fall (amy has stated that the 'fall' refers to the season.
there are also, of course, falling references in the song.)

mystery: "i could go crazy on a night like tonight
when summer's beginning to give up her fight"

fare thee well: "too thick the heat of those long summer evenings
for a cool evening i began to yearn"

so i would argue that there is more of an autumnal feel (of course, that
last one it is the dea of summer, but em is longing for fall, which one is
by law not allowed to do in rochester, ny or milwaukee, wi :). but that's
just my take on it.

whatever,

:dwayne

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or you can realize you're the only one who can forgive yourself
makes much more sense to live in the present tense" - pearl jam

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anna said:

>replacing the rent with the star above meaning give up your worry of the
>rent for a childish worry of the stars i do beleive

i always took that a little less literally. as in replacing your enclosed
space with the freedom of the open outdoors. but i also agree with the rent
as representing the responsibility and worries of the grown-up.

whatever,

:dwayne

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subject:      happy birthday! (sept. 8 1996)

not too late! not too late! :-)
warra5c0@numen.elon.edu (mandy warren) (happy 19th!)
"i'm running to the ends of the earth / i'm swimming to the edge of the sea
i'm laughing under a starry sky / this world was meant for me -- don't bury
me, carry me!"

(world falls)

:) :) :)

like...am i clueless or what ?
i recieved a couple of posts form some fellow olywa listers
who obviously get out waaay more than i do...there is
a place called the alamo in olympia. (it's a teeny little club, works for me
!)
please pardon my persimon !
(and i thought i knew what was up around here ....heh ! )

binkles ( they are still welcome to play my backyard ! :)

here are my contributions for a new thread (i'm inspired to tell my us open
story as i watch steffi serve for the first set):

labor day weekend - 1993 us open tennis championships.  it was a typical
humid nyc day, so i was wearing my then hat of choice:  my black ig hat. my
bro, cousin & i were walking to sabatini's next match when i heard, "hey,
nice hat."  i turned to say thank you to none other than emily.  i was
completely diva/goddess/star struck.  i couldn't formulate a sentence.  i
kept muttering "oh my.., i can't beli-..., is it really yo-...emi-...from
indigo gir-..."  emily found this quite amusing and was laughing at (with?)
me.  she put her arm around me and said "thanks for the support."  finally i
snapped out of it.  i told her how much their music has meant to me.  and how
specifically, "watershed" and strange fire" were been very comforting and
inspirational during my coming out process.  she appeared truly touched.
before i "allowed" her to leave me.  i shook her hand, hugged her, thanked
her again and took a picture with her. i love that picture and i will always
remember the split moment in time where i wasn't "stalking" one of the indigo
girls but one of them was "stalking" me.  ok so she technically wasn't
"stalking" me but a girl can dream can't she?

however, you never forget your first....
the first time i did meet emily was april of 1993 outside the bottem line
here in nyc it was during/after a&e's $10 tour, which imho was their best
tour.  did anyone else see them during this tour?  interesting concept:
charge $10 for a show, play really small venues & have the first person on
line choose the song list (no solos).  they played 2 concerts that night and
i was fortunate to see both gigs.  it was great cuz for the earlier show the
person who made the song list was a major emily fan and for the second show
he/she was a major amy fan.  in about 6 hours, i think they played 85% of
their songs (at that time, of course)  they even played "never stop," which
still remains one of the many emily song i just luv.  anyho, after that
marathon session @ the bottom line, i met both emily & amy.  amy has the most
beautiful eyes.  they are absolutely yummy.  sorry, i digress.  both emily
and amy were incredibly sweet.  they both signed my poster (which the bottom
line bouncer gave me) & took pictures with me.  we spoke breifly about our
excitment over the gay & lesbian march on washington later that month.

goddess bless both amy and emily.

"where are the demons of your desire? why does my love destroy you?"
amy ray
"i'm gonna love you good and strong while our love is good and young"
emily sailers

peace, love and understanding always,
kate

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hi y'all

after a two and a hlf month holiday i am back at work and back on the list.

i have been starved of ig info but in the meantime have been enjoying some
of their 'mates' caroline aiken, kristen hall, michelle malone and dede
vogt.

glad to be back from downunder

sue jackel
aka vida

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at 05:58 pm 9/8/96 edt, anna wrote:
>i have not found much inspiration from this song.  in the past, i
>have mentally added it to the list of amy songs
<kim here imagines anna "mentally" adding this song to her list ala'... hmmm...
okay... groucho marx comes to mind... or jerry lewis.... or carol burnett
at her best... ( now *that's* mental ) :-)> <skritch skritch skritch> <---
sounds
of industrious + frenzied ( not to mention mental )writing.
>that make little
>sense to me.  even now as i read the verses again, i cannot seem to
>get a grasp of what she is trying to tell us.
>
the line that really speaks to me in this song is "any sin will do"...
coming from
the type of religious background that i do, ( "christian" )i view any "sin"
as having the exact same price... death. no matter how we strive for
perfection, we will never be
perfect, and so it does not matter what the sin is. as we grow older, we also
grow to understand this and we can "skip further" through life if we are
smooth...
ie; tranquil + unruffled....
ah... it's just the feeling i get from the whole song. i was an abused child
+ so
this song spoke to me on that leval at first... but at this time in my life,
having
dealt with all that, i see other things in amy's lyrics. it doesn't really
matter,
though, because the music and harmony are so powerful + fill me with such a
good
mix of emotion that she could've written about grapenuts + it woulda'
touched my
soul :-)
peace all ... kim ( who is smiling cause she said "grapenuts" in a post
again... eww... get it??? post grapenuts???? is that the brand name... or is
it *after* grapenuts, or what??? ) :-)
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
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     how much have you grown?"
---------------amy ray------------------
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>

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hey, after getting off aol and getting on my college server, i'm so
happy to be receiving mail now.  i missed you all :-( and i was starting
to wonder what was going on, because i mailed my subscription-letter on
september the second.  although now i am starving for it, i bought a new
ig cd last week-nomads*indians*saints.  i really like it, but so is my
all time favorite.  now i have so, rop, ig, and n*i*s.  any suggestions
for my next purchase.  i'm kind of homesick now.  i've been gone three
weeks.  oh well, that's all for now.  i love ya'll, man.  send me email,
because i never get any. (if you would be so kind)

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gogirrrl@aol.com wrote:
>
> here are my contributions for a new thread (i'm inspired to tell my us open
> story as i watch steffi serve for the first set):
>
okay, i can't resist jumping into this one, as i got to meet a&e after
the austin show at the backyard.  like i posted that night (actually
about 2:00 a.m.) they were both totally cool, took pictures with me,
signed my atlanta braves cap, an 8x10 i took with me, and my ig-list
shirt.  though i was afraid i would freeze up on actual contact, i did
manage to talk intelligently with them and was warmly received.  i told
amy i loved the new songs, and especially enjoyed her playing the
mandolin.  she said, "well, i'm trying!" and i said, "you're doing a
great job of it!"  i asked when the new album would be out and she said,
"we're going into the studio in september, so it will probably be out in
march or so."  she liked my shirt and said she knew all about it from
the list.  i asked emily if she had been to any of the olympic events,
and she said, "i got to see the women's basketball," and i said, "oh
yeah, my boss was there too."  when i shook their hands i was struck by
how small emily's hand was.  my hands aren't that big but hers were
smaller, and i marveled at how easily she can reach all those notes on
her guitar with such short fingers.  boy, am i glad she does.  anyway,
it was a night i'll never forget, and i've already had my picture with
each of them blown up to 8x10, framed, and they're looking at me right
now!  so that's my encounter...

cyndi

sherlyn

thanks for the welcome back

sue jackel
(i need a new sig)

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is kim still out there? cuz we had a really cool discussion on this song
last year....i always interpreted "what would you give for your kid fears"
as not being "gee it would be so great to give up the troubles of adult
life and be a kid again" but rather addressing the fact that as a child
fears loomed so big and real...especially taking the verses into account,
how looming and dark they are...secret staircase, they all know you're
inside...sorta the 'school of hard knocks' theory of life, how you had to
kick and shove your way out of childhood. but maybe that's because you
couldn't pay me enough to trade my life today for my kid fears.

on sun, 8 sep 1996, mark anthony donajkowski wrote:

> on sun, 8 sep 1996, chickensoprano wrote:
>
> >
> > i have not found much inspiration from this song.  in the past, i
> > have mentally added it to the list of amy songs that make little
> > sense to me.  even now as i read the verses again, i cannot seem to
> > get a grasp of what she is trying to tell us.
> >
> > the chorus:  "are you on fire from the years?  what would you give
> > for your kid fears?"  what does she mean by kid fears?  is it things
> > like the boogyman, or those fears that are so deep inside of us that
> > when we attempt to reach them, we are repulsed by their basic-ness?
> > is she asking us what we would trade them away for, or what we would
> > give to have them returned to us?  i'm not even going to touch the
> > fire, since everyone knows that it is a secret lesbian code. ;)
>
> i think she means that instead of having to worry abotu the rent and alll
> that which she sings abotu in the song what would u give to have to only
> worry about the things u did as a kid instead of the fears u have to worry
> about as a adult  fire a lesbian code???
>
>
> >
> > the impression i gather from the song as a whole is that it is being
> > sung to someone who has retreated into his/herself to escape some
> > sort of painful situation.  perhaps this situation has been their
> > life to this point, or perhaps it is recent.  amy seems to be trying
> > to draw them out again, and to show them how to survive it.  "replace
> > the rent with the stars above.  replace the need with love.  replace
> > the anger with the tide.  replace the ones that you love."
> >
> replacing the rent with the star above  meaning give up your worry of the
> rent for a childish worry of the stars i do beleive
>
> > well, one thing i have gotten out of this song is a really great quote.
> >
> > :)
> >
> > anna
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "replace the need with love." -amy ray
> >
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yeah, maybe she fell off the secret staircase and got hit by a smooth
stone...

on sun, 8 sep 1996 mmedido@aol.com wrote:

> in a message dated 96-09-08 18:05:41 edt, anna writes:
>
> << i have not found much inspiration from this song.  in the past, i
>  have mentally added it to the list of amy songs that make little
>  sense to me.  even now as i read the verses again, i cannot seem to
>  get a grasp of what she is trying to tell us.
>   >>
>
> maybe she fell down and hit her head right before she wrote it.
>
> binky
>
> (fire ! fire! fire ! fire !!!!!!!!)
>
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oooh!  ooh! pick meeeeee teacher! (shouts student gwendigo, hand waving
wildly a la arnold hoarshack)
ahem.  (teachers-pet voice).  gabe is joan baez' son, who was also at no
and whose visage prompted emily to pronounce him "fucking beautiful"
(apparantly he
is; i wasn't there :(  )
hey, stop throwing spitwads at me....i can't help it if i know the
answer...

on sun, 8 sep 1996, sasha friedman (by way of jlucero@monmouth.com jen lucero) wrote:

>    ok .  during the second new orleans show right before closer to fine amy is
> talking about being at home and bad motivations and all that stuff.  then she
> says " oh here comes gabe" (or dave  or something i couldn't hear)  then
> emily says oh he's so fucking beautiful and they go on with their
> conversation.  does anyone know who dave or gabe is ???? i'm just wondering .
> : )
>
> peace
> sasha
>
>
>         hi y'all...i second sasha's query...who are they talking
> about...i've listened to the boot more than a few times and cannot figure
> this out...
>         help!!!    jen
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hey do we get to talk about grapenuts again? i think it's been long
enough now... :)
anyone who wants the recipe for indigo swirls, lemme know! :)

> peace all ... kim ( who is smiling cause she said "grapenuts" in a post
> again... eww... get it??? post grapenuts???? is that the brand name... or is
> it *after* grapenuts, or what??? ) :-)
> <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
>       <just kim>rcn@prcn.org
>  "pain from pearls-hey little girl-
>      how much have you grown?"
> ---------------amy ray------------------
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mail from this list? your inbox will be packed....

welcome back. and if you want another great ig cd (they all rock) go buy
strange fire next.
and run, do not walk, to the rainy day records site and get caroline
aiken!! (and if you are in a spending mood, danielle howle)

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on mon, 9 sep 1996, hsu amber r. batson wrote:

> hey, after getting off aol and getting on my college server, i'm so
> happy to be receiving mail now.  i missed you all :-( and i was starting
> to wonder what was going on, because i mailed my subscription-letter on
> september the second.  although now i am starving for it, i bought a new
> ig cd last week-nomads*indians*saints.  i really like it, but so is my
> all time favorite.  now i have so, rop, ig, and n*i*s.  any suggestions
> for my next purchase.  i'm kind of homesick now.  i've been gone three
> weeks.  oh well, that's all for now.  i love ya'll, man.  send me email,
> because i never get any. (if you would be so kind)
>
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subject:      re: sotw: kid fears

on sunday, 8 september 1996, mark wrote:

> fire a lesbian code???

in reference to a thread which occured sometime last may. my
applogies to the confused newbies. :)

and then on the same day, binky wrote:

> maybe she fell down and hit her head right before she wrote it.

sometimes i think that has occured far to many times...

anna

"replace the need with love." -amy ray

hey fellow humans!

any new info on the cleveland concert with the ig and bruce? and has anyone
heard of maybe a date here in w. pennsylvania?

i woke up this morning with ig withdrawl.....must be because i have done nothin
but listen to melissa etheridge for over a week now (concert high!) and iy
need a dose of amy and em.

thanks for any info!

peace-

karrie

does anyone know if ig are planning a trip to australia

i am a recent addition to the ig listserv, 27 year old male in
melbourne, victoria, australia
i saw them when they were here a couple of years ago, promoting swamp
ophelia, and loved them. i've got about 6 of their cd's

i get a bit jealous listening to you all (y'all) talking about your
regular concerts, but theres not much i can do about that

i find it interesting reading what people think about the meaning of
certain songs, some of them are very intriguing. i thought kids fears
was about child abuse.

tony

hi to all in ig land!

my ig meetings are not nearly as exciting as those already
posted by kate and cyndi, however i too have had a chance
to speak with the girls...it was at a record signing in ann arbor,
mi in january of 1991 during the rop tour.  it was a cold, grey
ugly kind of day...the moment that i learned of the signing , i was
heading cross-town to north campus on a university bus for a
art and architecture drawing lab, and i had to decide if i should
skip lab to go (a fairly daring thing to do because labs were
difficult and sometimes impossible to make up depending on what
we were dreawing)  but of course i decided to skip...when i got there
the line was out the door...which was the worst thing about it because
the longer i stood there all but 25 feet away from a & e, the more
excited and nervous i got, so by the time i got up there a felt like
a stammering fool, but i did manage to say hi, and thankyou....my
impressions of the meeting was how skinny amy was....they both
seemed smaller in stature than i imagined, but that just goes to show
how much admiration does for you sense of perception!!  anyway, amy
seemed to be tiring of this event and said very little, but emily was
more chatty.  i said to e, "gosh this has really made my day getting
a chance to say hi and talk to you" and emily respnded "oh, well
that sure was easy".  the show i saw that night was the first time
i ever saw an ig show - it was quite a memorable day to say the least!

so there you go---
-dana

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date:         mon, 9 sep 1996 08:59:29 edt
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subject:      2 questions....(yes, igc)

hellllooooo indigogals and guys,

question number 1: yesterday i heard a song on the radio and amy was singin'
it. well, part of it...with someone else i could not identify. the song was
called, i think , "don't think twice". is this the vic chestnutt song from
sweet relief ii? or whut? i'm cornfused.

question #2: i apologize for not remembering, but could whoever sent me the
tower theater boot from april 1995 get in touch with me? there' s some stuff on
it i cannot identify....or if you have this boot and you know what i'm talking
about, please email me.

thanks a bunch sweeties. oh by the way...today is the national day of protest
of military overspending...please say a prayer to your god (or whoever) that
our dopey politicians can start figuring out that we need less bombs and more
other-stuff

oh! susanna

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subject:      re: license plates

i'll admit...this took me a good long while to get! but i get it now!!! i
was thinking.."who the heck is mr. e? mr. emily? huh?"

but this was the laugh i needed.  you must forgive me.  i'm slow today.  we
had to put our oldest "child" to sleep yesterday.  our 7 year old ferret,
spaz, was totally invaded by cancer.  a huge surprise to us.  my husband
took her out of her cage to play w/ her, and she was unresponsive and cold.
she eventually woke up a little bit, but he rushed her to the vet and the
doctor was just amazed at how much cancer she had.  for a 14 inch ferret,
she had a 4"-5" tumor.  i'm still in mourning.  she was our first animal
that we raised together.  she's survived by our other ferret toonces and 2
cats callie & shelby.  this is the 2nd pet death we've had in the last 4
months.

we have to get out of this rut !

peace,
- jen hall
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> mr e
^^ this is my favorite!!! lol!!!! lollol! :)

> makitezr
> luvlcm2u
^^this one took me a good 5 minutes to get...but i am suffering from a
mighty big head cold....

> letitbme
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from jennifer hall, on 9/9/96 7:32 am:
to: smtp@pcpd hou g1@servers[<smurphy@ups.edu>]

my opinion...you lose your newbie status after you've been flamed for
something you've said. or, you lose your newbie 'virginty' when (not to
sound like an old tv show) everybody knows your name....

peace,
- jen hall
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from smurphy@ups.edu, on 9/5/96 3:12 pm:
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how long till you lose your newbie status? i've been on since early may,
so am i still a newbie? or what? love sundara

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in a message dated 96-09-09 09:02:22 edt, you write:

<< question number 1: yesterday i heard a song on the radio and amy was
singin'
it. well, part of it...with someone else i could not identify. the song was
called, i think , "don't think twice". is this the vic chestnutt song from
sweet relief ii? or whut? i'm cornfused.
>>

that would possibly be "don't think twice, it's alright" with joan baez?

:)
rick!!
waiting for kevin spacey...
i mean for him to show up on this television show, not like to
visit me. ;)

.....he only comes on tuesdays ;)

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from:         john cooperider <john_w_cooperider@groton.pfizer.com>
subject:      back on the list y'all!

sorry to disturb all of you, but i am so exited that i had to let out a whoop!
i have been trying to resubscribe to this list for two weeks unsuccessfully at
home (still can't...) so i signed up at my work address.

i sent the exact same e-mail from home that i used this time, but i can't get
subscribed at home...

sent to: listserv@netspace.org
body text: subscribe indigo-girls john cooperider

oh well...

anyone have any ideas why this might be? i mean i used the exact same letter i
have tried at home about 40 times, and it worked here first try?!

on a note that is actually on the subject of the ig's, thank you to stacy for my
copy of the newport tape! wonderful memories, and now my page of pictures has
been corrected to note that the first bunch were from "wild horses", not "get
out the map" as it said originally. (thanks jen)

well, back to work...

john cooperider
coop@ctol.net
http://www.ctol.net/~coop

in a message dated 96-09-09 04:09:41 edt, you write:

<< hey do we get to talk about grapenuts again? i think it's been long
enough now... :)
anyone who wants the recipe for indigo swirls, lemme know! :)

> peace all ... kim ( who is smiling cause she said "grapenuts" in a post
> again... eww... get it??? post grapenuts???? is that the brand name... or
is
> it *after* grapenuts, or what??? ) :-) >>

noooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

oh....the horror.

bjink

um.....i've never met they who are the indigo girls

but i met j.p. patches once :)

(he's a clown....from tv...in the 60's)

bjink
(okay!!!!! i'm going to work now ! get car !)

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ahh jen

but on the internet nobody knows your a dog ;-)

jules

        when you learn to love yourself
        you will dissolve all the stones that are cast ..
                                                amy ray

on mon, 9 sep 1996, jennifer hall wrote:

> -------------
> original text
> >from jennifer hall, on 9/9/96 7:32 am:
> to: smtp@pcpd hou g1@servers[<smurphy@ups.edu>]
>
> my opinion...you lose your newbie status after you've been flamed for
> something you've said.  or, you lose your newbie 'virginty' when (not to
> sound like an old tv show) everybody knows your name....
>
> peace,
>  - jen hall
> ---------
> >from smurphy@ups.edu, on 9/5/96 3:12 pm:
> to: <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
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> how long till you lose your newbie status?  i've been on since early may,
> so am i still a newbie?  or what?  love sundara
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ok jen - this isn't a personal thing ....

... many many many moons ago oh at least 3 or 4 years when the
internet thing was new to me, and most of the world a funny larsonesque
cartoon was published somewhere where and try to picture this ...

a dog is sat at his/hers masters table ( we know it is the master
cos hes stood in the doorway looking puzzled ) the dog is sitting at the
chair infront of the pc one paw on the mouse, tail a waggin and tounge a
lollin to one side the caption underneath was .. stop me if you worked it
out already ...

... on the internet nobody knows your a dog

so really this isn't at all personal though i did think not everyone
might not of seen the cartoon ...

sorry if this offended just trying to make the world laff ...

jules
who posted this personal reply to the list incase any one else was
puzzled, or can back me up ...

        when you learn to love yourself
        you will dissolve all the stones that are cast ..
                                                amy ray

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subject:      educated and lovin' it...

good morning fellow ig'ers:

when i was at the austin concert, i don't know why, but i was just lookin'
up at a&e and thought how much of role model they really are.  i'm very big
on education.  and all i could think of was that here were two women who
went after and achieved a full education - even though they knew that
they're goal in life was music - - not religion or english lit.  there are
so many individuals out there today who could care less about a high school
education.  even more who could care less about college.  they could have
just left high school and drove from coast to coast playing their music and
trying to make it big.  but, no.  they pushed their dream off for 4 more
years to earn an education - not in music, but in religion & english
literature.  i remember complaining about hating calculus and how i'd never
use it in my life.  well, now i understand.

i think this just goes to show, that no matter what you're goal is in life,
a college education can still fulfill your life and make it even more
complete.

i'm willing to be that if emily didn't spend 4 years as a english major -
her lyrics wouldn't be as profound as they are.

so even if you're not going to use your college major in your life - you'll
still benefit from it.

i now know that i had to learn calculus to learn how to think..

still hating calculus,
- jen hall

>i'm confused...what is the horoscope deal and how can i get involved with
>it? >i'm dying to get a copy of squeaky fromme, as its the only amy solo
>that i've >heard parts of and don't have on any of my bootlegs...info
>maybe?

     this is how most tape trees are organized.  instead of one person
making a bizzilion tapes, it gets divided up into signs of the zodiac.
whatever sign you are, that's the branch of the tree you write to get your
copy of the tape.  all it usually takes is a blank and a return addressed
and stamped envelope.
     i don't have any info about squeaky fromme.  i think she wrote this
after squeaky escaped from jail. i have lots of bootlegs with this song,
but they are mostly older tapes.  the version on no curfews is the best one
i've got.

--sunny

>due to some technical difficulties (mostly time catching up to 1,
>000's of emails during the recent ig blitz) sunny & i had trouble
>connecting on the sagittarius (spelling) branch tape for the tape
>tree.

hey y'all,

  i just want to say that this was totally my fault.  melissa wrote me
several e-mails and did her best to get this tape asap.  i took a week off
and followed ig through the southwest during the recent demo tour.  when i
finally got home and checked my e-mail i had like 900 messages to wade
through.  it took me a few days to get to melissa's message.  (remeber,
she's the good one, i'm the bad one.)  i think we got it all straightened
out and she should have her tape by tomorrow.  i promise i wont try to
organize another tape tree before taking off to follow the girls on tour,
which i'm hoping to do for a month when map finally comes out!!

--sunny

ps. who spent 3 weeks on the hte tour, so this really was a short one.

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jen hall wrote:
<i think this just goes to show, that no matter what you're goal is in life,
a college education can still fulfill your life and make it even more
complete.>

i though this would be a good place for me to jump in.  first of all, hello
everybody.  my name is aras and i've been an alcoholic for....no,
wait....i've been an ig fan since i saw the video for ctof sometime in '89.
an arrow was pointed at and directly penetrated the very essence of my soul
and stuff.  lately, however, my interest has waned, and joining the list is
an effort to fire it up again.

so, back to the point.  lately, i have been trying to work out this
resentment that i have toward formal education.  i have a b.a., but feel it
is bs.  i don't regret going to school, but if i had to pay for it, as
opposed to my parents....i would be stuck in major debt working a job i hated
to get out of it.  i consider myself back in school now, the school of life.
and the day i die will be graduation day (hopefully, as opposed to getting
expelled).

i guess everyone needs the official college structure to learn how to think
for themselves, but it's awfully expensive. why couldn't someone have told
me when i was 18...."you [or your parents] can pay 50 - 150k over the next
four years to one institution, or you can take your thirst for knowledge and
go out into the world and go read and experience and live and fail and get up
and fail and get up and read and experience and live and fail and get up and
fail and keep your head on straight cause you're gonna keep going through
this if you want to be anybody....."

this is so much more valuable to me than sitting in classroom listening to a
boring professor who is forced to teach uninterested college students because
he/she can't get a professional job in that particular field.

because this is not directly ig related, you can e-mail me personally with
your thoughts if you feel this thread doesn't belong here. thanks, man.
(i'm not a feminist, but i love women.)

-aras (mylzt1@aol.com)

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hell no - it didn't offend me. i'm just given ya a little back... i
didn't see the cartoon. i did get the gist of what you were saying. this
list often gets too heated and we all need a bit of tom-foolery
now-and-then.

peace,
- jen hall
.. who posted this to the list to ensure that everyone knows i'm foolin' -
not flamin'...
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subject too long. original subject is 're: fwd: losing 'newbie' status.
was- re: another little quest'

---------------------- original message follows ----------------------

ok jen - this isn't a personal thing ....

... on the internet nobody knows your a dog

so really this isn't at all personal though i did think not everyone
might not of seen the cartoon ...

sorry if this offended just trying to make the world laff ...

jules
who posted this personal reply to the list incase any one else was
puzzled, or can back me up ...

        when you learn to love yourself
        you will dissolve all the stones that are cast ..
                                                amy ray

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howdy!

i have the r&r indigo/alman bro. radio promo and am looking to sell it by
auction ... i already have a bid of fifty dollars. i will take bids for
the next 2 days. mail me your bids.

thanks

ben

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subject:      re: educated and lovin' it...

wow, the ig have really inspired me to, well, not make good grades, but
just to pursue knowledge.  in high school, i slacked off a great deal
and did not achieve my highest potential.  this summer i really came to
appreciate their music and lyrics, and i have found that it inspires me
to learn as much as i can.  i think that when you have a higher level of
education, it enables you to appreciate their music even more.  i have
noticed that a great deal of their lyrics refer to things that i have
been studying.  i don't think that anyone in my dorm has ever even heard
of ig. (probably because i go to a conservative baptist college in
abilene)  i would probably go crazy if i didn't have this mailing list.
quite frequently, i see or hear something that makes me want to
yell, "hey, that's in an ig song!"  the other day, i was reading an
essay by mary wollstonecraft and i saw the words "milk of human
kindness"(guess the song)  today we read frederick douglass, and i
accidentally went off into my own world daydreaming, when
i heard the teacher say something about the slaves being sold on the
block and i thought of....(can you guess this one?--keyword: block).  my
brother was injured this summer and i really got sick of people asking
me how he was doing.  i got this very strange urge to tell them he was
"closer to fine". :-)  they're old church people, and they probably
would have no earthly idea what i was talking about. sorry this is sooo
looonngg, but i just had to demonstrate how much ig have meant to me.
daydreaming again about meeting them someday....

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on mon, 9 sep 1996 cyndi wrote:

> she liked my shirt and said she knew all about it from
> the list.

whoa! wait a minute! amy knows about the list shirt?? amy knows
about the list?? did i miss something here???

anna

"lord, what fools these mortals be." - puck

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subject:      a newbie is born

hello list!!

wow!! this list has blown my (mailbox) doors off!

i am a new listee and internet user, and would like to introduce myself to
the rest of the list.  my name is betsy bertiaux and i am an admitted
"ig-aholic", and this is the closest i can find to a support group (and a
fine one at that!).  i am a life-long seattle resident who has seen "the
girls" at every chance since the '91 bumbershoot, including hte at portland
meadows.  so far i am enjoying this list big-time.

i just got internet access a few weeks ago at work, and the first thing i
did was sign up on this list.  so, flame away (i'm not even sure if i'm
doing this right). i've done little else but read my e-mail while
recovering from bumbershoot.  saturday was a  long day, but worth it.
especially since i was in the front row in front of amy.  and all my
pictures turned out, relative to my camera anyway.  its adorable the way
that amy and emily are so blown away when they play bumbershoot to a packed
house (stadium).  i also caught ani's show and caroline aiken's show; these
women rock!!!

hopefully, this e-mail finds you all well and in a state of "indigo-bliss".

betsy

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>>  she liked my shirt and said she knew all about it from
>> the list.
>
>whoa!  wait a minute!  amy  knows about the list shirt??  amy knows
>about the list??  did i miss something here???

as far as the list shirt goes, amy and emily were given shirts in hampton
beach. i wasn't able to give the shirts to them personally, but i did chat
with russell carter and he took them along with a note i had written about
the list and how the project came together and promised they would get
them. from her comment, i take it she read the note (i hope my penmanship
was ok)

when cyndi first mentioned she had her shirt signed last month, i wrote her
and asked if amy or emily had commented on them and i was glad to hear they
did. i was bummed that i wasn't able to meet the girls and give them the
shirts myself, but it means the world to me that they think the shirts are
cool.

deb

"fun is sacred"
--amy ray

hi listees-- can anyone confirm a rumor i heard in school today?  i heard the
girls will be in burlington, vt this fall or winter.  is this true?  any
other dates in the northeast soon?  thanks-kate

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from:         cari l cartwright <cartwri6@pilot.msu.edu>
subject:      re: educated and lovin' it

hiya list
    i'm a brand spanking new member (five days now and counting) and today's
message about the importance a&e have put on education struck me.  recently, i
have been completely disgusted with my college experience.  things have become
a huge mess, and to make a long story short, i think i have to stay here for
another two years when all i really want to do is get out and end my
adolecence.  geeze, i'm 21, and i'm sick of being in school like this.
    anyway, the letter about a&e's dedication to their education hit home, and
really, i think, has sunk into this thick scull of mine.  they do have a love
of knowledge this is completely unsnobbish.  they amount of literary,
historical and religious allusions in their songs is staggering, yet it is
almost always done without affectation or pretention.  it is simply a love of
learning, and (thankfully) it's effected me.  i remember amy doing an interview
a while ago (and i have no idea when) and she mentioned southern writer,
faulkner in perticular.  the sound and the fury was one of the most personal
books i've ever, ever read and it helped me face up to truths i wouldn't other
wise have done.  so sometimes, when i'm totally sick of the university and want
to drop out right this second, i remember the value a&e have put on their
education and it helps me stick it out.
    it was nice talking to everyone for the first (but not the last) time.
cari
ps i just wrote a paper for one of my classes, and i actually used the line
"when i was young my people taught me well/give back what you take, or you'll
go to hell."  can't wait to see what my grade is ;)

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"college is nothing but a dream world
crammed with all the wrong values"

ok, i am *sure* i am not aloen here, but i feel that college does have
value.  a lot of that value depends on many things, like how happy you
are with your school, and what you are looking to get out of it.
i had a good, very good college exerieince.  i know that having the
college on my resume has opeoend doors for me in getting jobs (and
i am not a mindless corp rat either).  college is largely what you
make of it.  teh bulk of my learning was not in hthe classroom but in
my activites and so forth around school.  i was fortunate to be in
a high quality women only shakepseare company.  i worked in sevceral aspects
of the athletic arena, learning much from differente angles, and there
was the wealth of knowledge and experience to be gained from my peers.
these kinds of learnings, i believe at least for myself, could not have
been had in a real life setting..the dorms, the structure of the day,
the fact that i was lucky to have parental support and didnt need to
worry about foregoing many of these things to earn my way through school
(thouhg i did work three work sstudy jobs at the same time during my
senior year)

and i know people who went to the same school and hated it. i hear
similar things from people at all schools. maybe college isnt for
everyone, nor is every college the right fit for every student, but
i find it interesting how many people are trashing the very notion of
college.

natrually it all depends on what you want to do in life, but the sad
fact is that in many ways a college degree is crucial to work, and
again i am not talking about corporate hell.

just two cents from someone who was a fortunate one in her college
experience.

amy p.                          /       who holds your hand
pegasus@crl.com                /        when you're alone
                              /
the original photo monk      /                  --patty larkin

sorry for the nigc, but ani fans out there (i know you are many :) - sept.
issue of pulse magazine has a nice article about ani. i enjoyed it! tower
records gives them away in bunches :)
katy

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date:         mon, 9 sep 1996 15:27:29 -0500
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subject:      re: college (not much igc, other than my introduction)

>
> this is so much more valuable to me than sitting in classroom listening to a
> boring professor who is forced to teach uninterested college students because
> he/she can't get a professional job in that particular field.
>

its true that you will run into this a lot in collage. i have a great deal of
resentment for the way some people pushed me around in collage because they
thought it made them seem important to control collage students. but, remember
also that a lot of times you will run into some of the most distinguised
persons in their field in collage. people who have retired from their
professional life, and have gone into teaching in order to futher contribute,
or give something back to society. people like barbra jordan, who taught for
years at the university of texas after leaving politics.

trant

hello, again folks. you know, i keep forgetting what those smiley face
thingeys are for, here on the internet. pleeeeeeeease, can i go back to my
previous post about college, which probably makes me sound like a mean,
cynical bastard, and insert a few? [what's the symbol for humble?]

i promise i'm not one of those flam-a-roids, even though my testosterone
level may be a bit high. ; -) thanks fo' yo' patients....patience...pay
shence.
-aras
mylzt1@aol.com

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date:         mon, 9 sep 1996 16:40:26 -0700
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subject:      re: educated.....(nigc)
x-to:         "dimitra j. gianas" <u36252@uic.edu>

dimitra j. gianas wrote:
>
> "college is nothing but a dream world
> crammed with all the wrong values"
>
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and guess what folks..all you learned and paid $ for doesn't mean squat
25 years down the road...take it from a friend with 2 degrees and 20 yrs
experience..learn what you can, enjoy what you can but don't count on it
gettin you anywhere for good...learn for the enjoyment of learning..you
can still be flippin' burgers with a phd...life will teach you much
more..

>ok, i am *sure* i am not aloen here, but i feel that college does have
>value. a lot of that value depends on many things, like how happy you
>are with your school, and what you are looking to get out of it.
>i had a good, very good college exerieince.

amy you are not alone. i too feel my college education was an incredibly
positive experience. maybe it's because i went later in life when i had a
better idea of why i was there and what i wanted to do (started at age 26).
or perhaps it's because i went to a totally "non-traditional" school. don't
ask me my gpa because i didn't get one. exams: huh? lecture halls: hello?
half the budget going to the football team? not there. my transcript is all
narrative as were the comments on the countless papers and projects and
speeches i did while there (i know for a fact that i did more work in my
undergrad program than most grad programs i am aware of). in other words:
no letter grades were given. the "go out into the world and go read and
experience and live and fail and get up and fail and get up and read and
experience and live and fail and get up and fail and keep your head on
straight cause you're gonna keep going through this if you want to be
anybody" experience that aras longs for is one i had at my school.

education isn't about being crammed full of information; it's about
allowing things to be drawn from inside of you. it's not about discovering
what you know; it's about discovering what you don't know and growing
comfortable with that.

the piece of paper i got as the result of all my work is one i treasure. it
has not only gotten me places but it has given me the confidence to take on
even more challenges.

no experience should be viewed as a waste. in every thing there are
lessons. sometimes you just have to look a little harder for them.

deb

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subject:      re: educated.....(nigc)

parents teach values - not colleges. plus, what you get out of it depends
on what you put into it.

- jen hall
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"college is nothing but a dream world
crammed with all the wrong values"

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date:         mon, 9 sep 1996 15:11:52 -0700
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subject:      nigc:  looking for rebecca clark?

hey sorry to waste bandwidth, i'm wondering if there's a rebecca clark on
this list who recently moved to seattle. if you're here, write me, i
think we're in the same grad program at the uw.

thanks.

carolyn

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date:         mon, 9 sep 1996 18:54:31 -0400
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subject:      thank god for college (and the ig..)

i should say i hate being in college, but even though i *do* go through
periods when i find a very allusive job offer or an incredible show in
boston during finals week, i wouldn't trade college for anything.
     a bit of background. i grew up in the homophobic, depressed economy,
mill town of lewiston me. i hated it (i actually spent the first eight years
in a rural suburb called lisbon).  i had been told countless times, due to
my disability that i should just look for a easy job, secretary or mill
worker or mcdonalds or something that lame instead of trying to go into
video production or broadcast journalism. i was told this as a seventeen
year old who had no self esteem, who was dealing with a slew of emotional
problems, who scored very well on his sat's and who had produced some
projects at a local television station.
    i got accepted to umaine, but it was really my last choice, i would have
dreamed to go to hampshire, umass amherst or boston univ. but my grades were
horrible and i barely got into um. people said i would flunk out.
    i began to believe them before i even left. one of the things i did that
gave me the most confidence was traveling to newport to see the ig before
college started. it was a horrible storm, but still an incredible show and
definite view of how life was truly like outside le3wiston, without out my
parents.
    that was over four years ago. i have since been invited and completed an
honors thesis. (only 1% of the student body @ umaine does that!) been on the
deans list, seen stephen king eating at the local pizza parlor, had a class
with kurt vonnegut. right now i am juggling two jobs consulting on html,
plus if it weren't for college, i would have never met some of the most
influencial people in my life. yes i have met a+e, but that isn't what i
mean. i mean to go from not even knowing how to turn on a computer to
running a medical /disabled listserv, to meeting an author named john
hockenberry, who is a mentor (and the only person i've consistenly traveled
further to see than the ig, but i would have been tied if i went to the rock
for aids benefit last month -- but 10 am flights are prohibitive of that...)
i would have never even thought about trying if i never went to school here.
maybe this is because it took me college to assess a certain amount of self
esteem, but college has opened more possibilities as long as i am willing
to exert myself and make them realities! college is something that is tool,
i believe when i graduate, i will have decided what i needed to study, what
*i* needed to experience to make my self make college work for me. i also
know i am really lucky to have the opportunity to pursue a english major
with three minors, but i feel i will be very competitive in the work place
--
and without college, i would never have been on this list.
(and met sooo many cool list members!)
mike r.

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date:         mon, 9 sep 1996 18:51:59 -0400
reply-to:     jen lucero <jlucero@monmouth.com>
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from:         jen lucero <jlucero@monmouth.com>
subject:      education and ig encounters

        hi y'all...i'm going to address both the current threads because for
me, they are both intricately linked...
        in my four years at umass-amherst i had the opportunity to work with
the girls on four different occasions at various venues throughout the
pioneer valley.
        i am not going to give a detailed play-by-play because it would take
up way too much space, but i did get to spend time with both of them both
before the shows and after...and had a couple of rather interesting
conversations with amy.
        tying in to the whole college thing...i was able to remain in the
concert biz for the year following my graduation and again caught up with
the girls two more times that year...
        and this year, by a very, very odd quirk of fate, i ended up
backstage at the nff...

that's all folks...i have dozens of ig memories (okay, maybe not
dozens, but quite a few)...

peace all... jen

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date:         mon, 9 sep 1996 19:02:02 -0400
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from:         michael reynolds <asl@umcs.maine.edu>
subject:      if you get msnbc, read this for possible ig boot trades!

i do not receive msnbc (the network on tv) but i know someone outthere in
the world must, at least, i hope. i was trying to find someone who could
record (probably on a continuing basis) "edgewise" with john hockenberry, it
runs on sat. nights @ 11 i believe and i will even trade blanks and postage
and ig audio for someone to do this for me..maybe only a few episodes but
knowing the possibilites of how interested i will be by this i will be very
generous -- i have many many different tastes in music (and found a person
in my dorm who has the same tastes -- and can you believe -- ig tapes i
don't have -- (this is a minor miracle.)
less than five hours to the new rem album
please email if you can help in any way --
mike r.

i've updated the list to include the orders i received today. you guys who
recently ordered are great for getting them to me so fast. if i get another
good batch in the mail tomorrow, i will place the order wednesday morning.

deb
(go packers!)

orders received
--------------------
lori collins (1) xxl
lisa vartanica (1) l
amy putnam (1) xl
jan stevens (2) xl
joan ferguson (1) l (changed from xl)
lorinda wright (3) l
michele henkel (1) l
elizabeth lytle (1) l
sarah scilley (1) xl
paula laine (1) xxl
sara bailey (2) xl
dana warnez (1) xl
anna whipkey (1) xl
shelley moore (1) xl
holmes hummel (1) xl
jenny korn (1) l
anne haines (1) xl
amy tryon (1) l
gregg baird (1) xl
heidi lloyd (1) l
irene bruce (1) l
julie naughton (1) xl
ali kenney (1) l
amy vorpagel (1) l
sundara murphy (1) l
karra baron (1) xl
shannon datwyler (1) xxl
sheila fagan (2) xl (1) l
kathy brown (1) xxl (1) xl
dwayne jarrell (1) xl
tamara mizell (1) xl
maureen hatch (1) xl
alec heller (1) xxl
lori levy (1) l
holly van remmen (1) xl
emily monteer (1) l
abigail lank (1) xl
tracy brown (1) l
trant batey (1) xl
jo norvelle walker (1) xl
suzi steffen (1) l (3) xl (1) xxl
nancy johnson (1) xl
betsy bertiaux (2) l
cindy katz (1) xxl
steve shapiro (1) xl
dianne connell (1) l
i-girl (1) l
elise feuer (1) xl
phil dean (1) xl (changed from l)
kay swennes (1) xl
kendra elliott (1) xxl
melissa gordon (2) xxl
lynn cardamone (2) xxl
pj battaglino (1) xl
joann melnik (1) xxl
maria veneziano (1) xxl (changed from xl)
kathy miller (1) xl
marcia cade (1) l

total orders received: 72

orders coming
------------------
gail anthony (1) xl (yours must be on a slow boat :)
kimberly hobbs (1) xl
heather coughlin (1) xl
magie poulos (1) l
ben <verdi@imap2.asu.edu> (1) xl
susan tomlinson (2) xxl
anne holderried (1) xl
elizabeth baird (1) l
janet fitch (1) xl
pj harris (1) l
tina wong (2) xl
sarah (4) l
dave ecoff (1) xl
january simpson (1) xxl
carol jones (1) xl
dimitra j. gianas (1) l
greta gohn (1) l
karrie (1) xxl
linda napikosk (1) -- need size

24 orders coming

96 total to be ordered

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date:         mon, 9 sep 1996 16:27:27 edt
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subject:      re: college (not much igc, other than my introduction)
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              ulenas" at sep 9, 96 1:55 pm

>
> i guess everyone needs the official college structure to learn how to think
> for themselves, but it's awfully expensive. why couldn't someone have told
hell no. i speak as a college student, but i taught myself everything i needed
to know until i went to college. thinking for yourself is, by definition,
something that *you*
must learn on your own. nobody can teach it to you.

> me when i was 18...."you [or your parents] can pay 50 - 150k over the next
> four years to one institution, or you can take your thirst for knowledge and
> go out into the world and go read and experience and live and fail and get up
> and fail and get up and read and experience and live and fail and get up and
> fail and keep your head on straight cause you're gonna keep going through
> this if you want to be anybody....."
hear, hear! i recommend a book called _the teenage liberation handbook_ to
anyone who agrees (or disagrees, for that matter!) with this statement. it is
not just for teenagers, but for anyone who wants to free her mind with or
without (though, as author grace llewellyn explains, preferably without) school.

kirsten

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date:         mon, 9 sep 1996 15:48:09 -0400
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subject:      clevland dates?

i forgot to add this...what's this mentioned about a cleveland date?
pleaseohpleaseohplease say its true. i have yet to see an ig concert (i'm so
embarassed to admit that) and i'm willing to go anywhere in the tri state area
to remedy this (michigan, ohio, wisconcin, illinois- ok, its more than threee,
but you know what i mean)
please tell me the good news! cari

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well,  from what people have been telling me,  i'm not a newbie!  woo-hoo!
fun for me!  i've been flamed,  i was the bumbershoot goddess!  (i love
calling myself a goddess) i get the jokes about grapenuts!  okay, so i
don't get the references to fire, but i still laugh.

i have another question, what color are amy and emily's eyes? i've just
been wondering lately

and.... i had another dream about amy and emily,  unfortunately,  i can't
remember it, i only remembered it for about five minutes this morning.  oh
well, but i know that i wasn't having anyone's child in this one.  too bad
for me :(

love sundara

hey y'all...really sorry to take up bandwith for this, but i have lost an
email address(i bow at your feet in forgiveness:) im looking for lisa...
lisa-- you sent me a tape for these songs (revised) compilation.. can ya
please get in touch with me?

thanks y'all(im sorry im sorry, it wont happen again, mom! im going to my room:)

tiff

sometimes i'll see a band that has 13 horns, 3 drum kits, 18 singers, and
amps turned up to 11.

but then i think to myself, they didn't even come close to the intensity that
two certain girls create with just acoustic guitars and vox harmonies that
can only come from a place we can only humanly describe as heaven, resonating
through a pavilion........yes, oh yes. (come on......with feeling
now........yesssssssssss, ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, yyyyyyyyyyy
eeeeeeeeeeeee sssssssssssssssssssssssss)

this is a cool thread...i'm in high school, and sometimes i get off onto huge
thought-patterns...what exactly is the point of going through school and
school and school, where will i be at the end of it?  it's also moments like
right now, when i'm putting off writing essays and doing reading assignments,
that i really need a little indigo push.  music, esp. ig music, helps tie
together what i'm learning in school and what i'm learning in life and makes
me remember the value of what i'm getting out of this whole getting older
business and the value of education.  plus, it's pretty darn fun to find igc
in all schoolwork...my essay is supposed to be about "my experience with
religion and religions" and d'ya know what the first thing that popped into
my head was?  the fact that since getting way into ig (or maybe as a
coincidental good-timing thing) i've felt more spiritual and more able to
connect with some sort of higher power than ever before.
okay, sorry for the ramble guys :)
love katy

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date:         mon, 9 sep 1996 19:23:48 -0500
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subject:      sotw-next week

next week can pot be the sotw? please? that's my favorite, and i have
a good story about it. (na na na na, you'll have to wait to hear it :-))

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subject:      re: fwd: losing 'newbie' status.  was- re: another little question
x-to:         jennifer hall
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if it's being flamed for what i've said i lost my newbie status on the
first day. this reminds me, anyone who is new on list do yourself a
favor, don't post that you think amy is a bitch. people can tend to get a
little upset.
ben

well i believe don't think twice is the song they sing with joan baez.  i
could be wrong,  i do know know the vic chestnutt song is called free of
hope.  very dark, very moody, very cool.

sasha

this may not be too original but one i saw in virginia recently was

ndgogrl

since i live in maryland, i am determined to get it.

sasha

i second that. still hating calculus !!

sasha

ok...why would anyone pay fifty bucks for your bootleg, when many of these
wonderful people will tape it for free ????

hey y'all....

just wanted to add my $.02......thank god for high school, i mean, where else
could i prepare myself with bigotry, racism and hatred so that i can live
through the real world....

yes, i learned sarcasm there too.....

kate, a juinor, who at high school is mistaken for a senior, and in the
outside world mistaken for being in college....."i'm old for my age...."
-rent

did i neglect homophobia.....opps...

kate

hi everyone : )

i haven't posted in a while due to my trying to get used to my new schedule
as a full-time grad student... and i'm desperately trying to keep up with
all the mail *help!*

my ig encounter was definitely not as great as those i have read from you
lucky, lucky listees. but i figured if anything, someone would get a good
laugh, and i would possibly come to terms with my missed opportunity.

anyway, it was april 22, 1991 at the palace theater in albany, ny.  the girls
had just finished their performance and my friends and i waited outside the
side door where the roadies were bringing out the equipment.  finally after
about 20 minutes, a&e came out and i started jumping up and down like a
little schoolgirl or something and must have looked like a complete idiot.  i
came unequipped with anything for them to sign so they both had to squeeze
their signatures on my itty-bitty ticket stub.  and genius that i am, all i
could think to say was "great hat" to amy (who was wearing a cool-looking
black velvet with floral pattern hat).  she said "thanks" and that was it.
why that happened i don't know.  i was overcome with so much excitement
about meeting them that i just freaked.  afterward, with a slap on my
forehead and a "d'oh" a la homer simpson, i walked away thinking about what a
stupid fool i was.

wow, that was kind of cathartic for me, thanks for letting me write that down
: )

hope everyone who is back to school has a great semester and everyone else,
well, i guess, enjoys not being in school ; )

-sheri : )

\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\

  _       _ ------ _               o      |....when you learn
{  ~\_/         o   \    o  o           |to love yourself
{  ~ _   ]          <  o                 |you will dissolve
{_~/  \ _        _ /                    | all the stones
             v-----                        | that are cast....
   seaphish@aol.com                -amy ray
/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/

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subject:      college (little igc)

> thinking for yourself is, by definition,
> something that *you* must learn on your own. nobody
> can teach it to you.

yes yes yes yes. definitely.
i went to u. of penn and they told us the first week that every class
was supposed to further develop your critical thinking skills, and in
the eval form at the end of every class for four years it asked, did
this class improve your critical thinking? but i had to wonder, is
critical thinking a thing that can be institutionalized like that? it
would seem not just unlikely, but almost oxymoronical. in college, a
component of critical thinking should be to ask yourself frequently:
along with some useful knowledge, what is this school force-feeding me
that's actually a load of bull?

retrospectively bad college experience: i got really into ig in august
'91. at the school's april '91 "spring fling" some friends asked me if i
wanted to go hear some band called the indigo girls play. tickets were
obscenely cheap like $6 but i'd never heard of them at that point
except some piece on tv that said they were christian-influenced, (so
i'm thinking amy grant), so i said i'll pass. doh! right there on
campus!

dave van hemel

> post grapenuts???? is that the brand name... or is
> it *after* grapenuts, or what??? ) :-)

<groan> kim, _no_ more grape nuts! that is, no more! ;)
(no, newbies probably won't understand--we discussed grape
nuts in grape...ahem, *great* detail a few (?) months ago...=)

peace, love, and igc for once,
ponygirl

my apologies for the nigc, but i was wondering if anione has a live
version of "hour follows hour". i have a few ani boots, but unfortunately
have never heard her do this song live. if someone wants to trade, i
also have numerous ig boots...=)

peace, love, and midnight caffeine,
ponygirl (who *might* be going to see ani in h-burg...hi, katy! =)

  hi! i have been reading this list for about two weeks now, and i'm sorry to
waste this valuable list space, but i thought that it was time to introduce
myself.
  i'm margot laidacker, i'm 21 (barely), and i go to the university of texas
at austin. my major is english, and my minor is government. i've been
listening to ig since i was 17. i actually had friends in high school that
listened to them (this group of guys that were sort of obsessed with them),
and that's how i got started.
  please excuse the boredom of this post, but i just got through reading my
nutrition book, so maybe you'll understand (that subject hardly puts me in a
happy mood). anyway, it's nice to know that i'm not the only one who listens
to ig!:)

-margot

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subject:      reply to j. hall//educated....(nigc)

clarification for jen hall:

college values have nothing to do with "moral" values taught by parents.
college is a microcosm of the society you and i live in.

dimitra

jen hall wrote:

parents teach values - not colleges. plus, what you get out of it depends
on what you put into it.

- jen hall
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from "dimitra j. gianas" <u36252@uic.edu>, on 9/9/96 3:14 pm:
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"college is nothing but a dream world
crammed with all the wrong values"

hey y'all -
        i am emerging from my lair of lurkdom to make two points pertaining to the
discussion about college education that no one seems to have made yet:
        1.) the point of college is probably more to learn how to think about a
problem than to be forced to memorize the solution.  if you know how to look
at a problem you are nine/tenths of the way to solving it, and that is a skill
very difficult to learn from a book.  you learn by interacting with people who
can see things in different ways and teach you to do the same.  the course
material is of secondary importance.
        2.) the absolutely best thing about college is the people you meet, and the
friends you make!  there is no other time in your life (or at least there
hasn't been in mine) a chance to live in the same place with about fifty of
your best friends, all of whom are different but who have in common with you
an interest in learning and education and also in having a really good time
whenever possible.  the work is a drag for sure, but overall it is a blast.
        sorry this is long!  i feel strongly about it!  thanks for listening/reading.
        love, lizzie

>i took this weekend as an oppurtunity to watch my few ig videos
>(watershed, >live at the uptown lounge, austin city limits, letterman
>appearance a few >months ago,fuzzy copy of disney) and i noticed a major
>change in emily over the >years. not only has she gotten stronger vocally,
>she has also, in the past few >years,taken a big chunk (half) of the
>spotlight on stage. i dunno. if you >watch uptown, you'll notice that
>amy's the major attraction, singing most of >the songs and cracking many
>of the jokes. and in watershed, they both go crazy >and completely crack
>me up.

    i have a few bootleg videos and tv appearences from way back.  i love
to watch the whole evolution of both amy and emily on video.  in fact, i
was watching an old video of amy doing strange fire and she looked so
fresh.  there was so much enthusiasm from her doing this song.  i think it
was from the really early days when this song was still kinda new.
anyways, this and the tons of requests i've been getting for copies of my
various videos has caused me to start to work on a compilation video much
like no curfews.  caution:  do not get excited just yet.  this is still in
the planning stages and i'm still going through my tapes to pick and choose
those special preformances.  it will be a while.  i'm thinking this would
be a great christmas thing and i should be able to complete it by then,
reasonably.
     what i need now are people to think about whether or not they'd be
able to be a branch on the video tape tree.  you must have 2 vcrs and the
cables to connect them to record one to another.  if you can do this and
are willing to do this and expect to still be around in a couple of months,
then drop me a line w/ subject line: video tree dubber.  i am gonna need a
lot of volunteers for this to fly.
     i promise i wont take any trips until this is done and i'm hoping to
get it done and in place before the student type people leave for x-mas
break when they wont have accounts.
     if any of you have ig video and want to contribute, drop me a line.
and if any of you have suggestions for this video (like the david letterman
appearence where they do closer to fine and emily is wearing this great
pink shirt and she looks so cute) then drop me a line.
     i have two volunteers already, but i'll need like 12 more at least.  help?

--sunny

college.........good !

although there is alot to be said for takin a few years off after
hs to work those heebie jeebies out of your system ;0)

bjink
(did i mention that i met jp patches once ?)

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subject:      *total* nigc:  "il postino"

hey folks!

sorry for the nigc (ahem... not really), but if you don't want to read, you can
delete me now. although, i figured some of y'all might appreciate this.

i just wanted to say that a partner in crime and i went to see an italian movie
called "il postino (the postman)" --- ya know, the one that was nominated for
all those oscars or something :) --- friday night and it was really great!!
basically, the whole theater agreed... 'cause i overheard lots of conversations
on the way out  :)  i just wanted to say that if this movie plays where you are,
you should hop on over to the theater and see it.  it was supposed to come out
on video (here in the u.s.) during the summer, but didn't.  not sure if it will
be released, but i'm glad i got to see it.  it sure is better than any american
film i've seen recently.  just wanted to let y'all know so you could check it
out.  trust me, it's worth it.  it has a lot of humor and cool poetry, among
other things.

peace and subtitles,
tamara

"that's fuuunnnn-eeeee!" -- tamster

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hey, the photo of the girls is infront of a building with lettering
that reads:
jemez pueblo civic center
and guess where that is???
new mexico!!

and joy harjo and poetic justice, guess where they're at?
right, new mexico!

and what state did the girls just have to play twice on their demo tour??
need i say more? :))

hey call our tourism board... phones are answered by inmates - no
kidding :)

adios,
donna (not currently serving time)

we seem to be experiencing a huge wave of new listees, and i'd just like to
extend a warm, indigo welcome to everyone just now joining us. this list is
incredible as i'm sure you've already begun to realize, and we're glad to
have you here!

~abigail

****************in the words of emily saliers:******************

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that's good enough for me. i'm a patches pal too! :)

on mon, 9 sep 1996 mmedido@aol.com wrote:

> um.....i've never met they who are the indigo girls
>
>
> but i met j.p. patches once :)
>
>
> (he's a clown....from tv...in the 60's)
>
>
> bjink
> (okay!!!!! i'm going to work now ! get car !)
>
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you know, i had a bunch of stuff i wanted to say about college and
education and values and priorities, but it all sounded pretentious and i
was afraid my meaning would be misconstrued as being a big ole pooper, so
i will keep it to myself.  but i do want to say that i hope people are
going about their educations and degrees and dreams for the sake of
knowledge, or at least are realistic about what they hope to gain from
college.  the way my priorities panned out, back five years ago when i was
making the decisions that are relevant today, i opted for useful degree
over fun degree.  luckily nursing is a field that is both interesting and
useful, so i'm okay, but i do hope that one day when i retire (or i'm rich
and famous! haa!) i can go back to college and get a real liberal arts
degree.  there really is something to be said for setting aside some time
to immerse yourself in the writings of the great thinkers of our age, and
i really missed out on that opportunity by making the choice i did.  i
have had a few humanities courses to round out the requirements for my bsn
and i have enjoyed them greatly....and such as my personal finances were
and are, i would be in a world of hurt right now if i were facing
graduation in 9 months with the english degree i sometimes yearn for...but
again, i am glad i took the route i did.  of course, i realize (and am
doing this now, every day that i can) that there is a vast amount of
education to be found all around, every day, in the literature, arts, the
people we encounter, and the experiences we find ourselves in, and i
continue to try to educate myself as wholly as possible in the areas
nursing school isn't able to touch.  i try to surround myself with
stimulating and intelligent people, and learn as much as i can, but i
still think that there are some valuable resources to be found in the
professionals and intellects that chose to teach at universities (although
it is certainly a matter of opinion just how many profs are professionals
and/or intellects) and the relevance of any given course of study can be
as widespread as you want it to be (as jen succinctly put it in her point
about calculus).

geez, i ended up sounding like a pretentious ole bag o wind anyway.
sorry. you get my point. (you know my daddy always says, an ounce of
pretention is worth a pound of manure...)

on mon, 9 sep 1996, pat chaney wrote:

> dimitra j. gianas wrote:
> >
> > "college is nothing but a dream world
> > crammed with all the wrong values"
> >
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> and guess what folks..all you learned and paid $ for doesn't mean squat
> 25 years down the road...take it from a friend  with 2 degrees and 20 yrs
> experience..learn what you can, enjoy what you can but don't count on it
> gettin you anywhere for good...learn for the enjoyment of learning..you
> can still be flippin' burgers with a phd...life will teach you much
> more..
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i just want you all to know that i am deleting all of your encounters!
yes i am bitter!  i missed the chance of a lifetime when my friend (ha!)
ed got tix for their show in tacoma in 90 (i think) and i didn't and after
the concert their car got broken into...after the police came out and
everything, they were getting ready to leave, the parking lot was empty
(everyone's gone someplace...) and what to his wondering eyes should
appear but two indigo girls getting into their tour bus.  they talked to
him and his friends for half an hour!  so i am bitter.  ptttht.

on mon, 9 sep 1996 seaphish@aol.com wrote:

> hi everyone : )
>
> i haven't posted in a while due to my trying to get used to my new schedule
> as a full-time grad student...  and i'm desperately trying to keep up with
> all the mail *help!*
>
> my ig encounter was definitely not as great as those i have read from you
> lucky, lucky listees.  but i figured if anything, someone would get a good
> laugh, and i would possibly come to terms with my missed opportunity.
>
> anyway, it was april 22, 1991 at the palace theater in albany, ny.  the girls
> had just finished their performance and my friends and i waited outside the
> side door where the roadies were bringing out the equipment.  finally after
> about 20 minutes, a&e came out and i started jumping up and down like a
> little schoolgirl or something and must have looked like a complete idiot.  i
> came unequipped with anything for them to sign so they both had to squeeze
> their signatures on my itty-bitty ticket stub.  and genius that i am, all i
> could think to say was "great hat" to amy (who was wearing a cool-looking
> black velvet with floral pattern hat).  she said "thanks" and that was it.
>  why that happened i don't know.  i was overcome with so much excitement
> about meeting them that i just freaked.  afterward, with a slap on my
> forehead and a "d'oh" a la homer simpson, i walked away thinking about what a
> stupid fool i was.
>
> wow, that was kind of cathartic for me, thanks for letting me write that down
> : )
>
> hope everyone who is back to school has a great semester and everyone else,
> well, i guess, enjoys not being in school ; )
>
> -sheri : )
>
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>  {  ~ _   ]          <  o                 |you will dissolve
>  {_~/  \ _        _ /                    | all the stones
>              v-----                        | that are cast....
>    seaphish@aol.com                -amy ray
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as was once said in the words of sages:

as your body grows bigger, your mind must flower
it's great to learn! coz knowledge is power!

hey! the birth of another great sig line...

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ok now that we've all extoled the virtue of education ...

moxy fruvous :

after on of the recent festivals y'all came back and ranted about
mf. i was lucky enought to find bargainville in a salle for 5 ukp and
bought it. now i like em but i have ta say you guy should listen to the
barenaked ladies. you're gonna love these guys. go out and buy gordon and
sit back with the volume loudish ... listen to it twice and see if ya
don't go wow great music and funny lyrics to. maybe you should drive
isn't quite a good and i don't have born on a pirate ship so can't vouch
for it. go out and buy it you'll thank me on day ....

jules

        when you learn to love yourself
        you will dissolve all the stones that are cast ..
                                                amy ray

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ok all i just gotta jump on the wagon here

in england the education sysytem is somewhat different to that of
the usa in as much as that a university degree is more or less funded for
you. though people still walk away with big debts. as i understand it in
the us the degree is 100% funded by the student ? ( please correct me if
i'm wrong )

i loved education, eventually, but it took me years to get there.
i will also admit that prolonged education is not for everyone. as
someone who graduated little more than 12 months ago and in that space of
time has relocated 2 for work, is working for a huge multinational
company and got married i can certainly say i use what i learnt. i use my
qualifiaction to get my job, my education to do my job i guess that is
because i do what i learnt, i also take a lot of pride in what i do now
responsiblity is a scary thing. however i use the social skills and life
skills such as running a home and meeting new people on a business and
social scale much more - these are the things that make me what i am and
drive me to be what i want to be.

i miss my college life like hell - i miss not knowing any one of
15 people who wall round a corner. however i could not ever work as long
and as hard as i did to get my degree ever again. i burnt out and damn
near droped on the floor with geman measles 3 days before my course
finished. i sat 1 exam with 100 degree fever and prob. dripped 3 punt of
fluid under my chair ...

i am however very proud of my achievement and would do it all
again tomorrow. what blows my mind is the insignificance of it all now.
when i went for job interviews people were more interested in my work
experience than my studies and from now on that will always be the case ...

i know i could be in exactley the same place i am now if i had
left school and go onto work from a younger age but the memories and the
heartache ( plus the fact this is where i was introduce to ig ) make the
experience all worth while

if you got this far thanks
jules

        when you learn to love yourself
        you will dissolve all the stones that are cast ..
                                                amy ray

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subject:      happy birthday! (sept. 9 1996)

ack! i've been a *bad* birthday goddess, haven't i...
eric.d.thiel-1@tc.umn.edu (happy 20th!):
"no way construction of this tricky plan was built by other than a greater hand
with a love that passes our understanding watching closely over the journey
yeah, but what it takes to cross the great divide seems more than all the
courage i can muster up inside
but we get to have some answers when we reach the other side, the prize is
always worth the rocky ride..."

(the wood song)

:) :) :)

"i never let my schooling interfere with my education." -- mark twain
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> degree. there really is something to be said for setting aside some time
> to immerse yourself in the writings of the great thinkers of our age, and
> i really missed out on that opportunity by making the choice i did. i
but why do you necessarily need to submit to being graded like a pound of
hamburger meat in order to read good books? the last time i checked, there was
this wonderful place just a short walk away from my house called a "library".
you can go there whenever you want, spend as much or as little time there as
you want, read whichever books there you choose, and there's no one to look
over you shoulder, ask you to write essays on "themes of class, race, and
gender in _moby dick_" or whatnot, or give you an f if you don't do it the
way they like it.

one of the very worst things that the american school system does is to
convince its subj^h^h^h^hstudents that learning can only be secured in special
places and special times, only with the help of semi-qualified teacher-people.
when you go to school and learn that the only way to learn english is to
write five-paragraph persuasive essays in a room with pale-green walls and hard
chairs, that the only way to learn biology is to dissect dead cats in a lab-
oratory, that the only way to learn *anything* is to have someone recite it to
you till they're blue in the face, then you gradually begin to lose your desire
to read a good story, to watch the squirrels frolic in your yard, to pursue
truth and beauty without the sanction of institutional authority. this is a
tragedy beyond belief.
kirsten

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subject:      nigc-vega in philly

hey now ,
does anybody in or around philly know that on thursday suzanne vega is
giving a free 'concert' at a book store in center city ? i read about it
in the city paper , but forget exactly where it is . i think around 20th
and walnut ? can anybody steer me straight , i need to relay the message
to a die-hard fan in dc . thanks....
leprecahun s.d.

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subject:      michelle malone and ani difrance (nigc)

i just got mm's "new experience" and am in love, especially with the 'bonus
tracks' like "counting stars". does anyone know what other albus that mm
has out that are more geared toward this kind of acoustic? i like the other
tracks too, but there is something so haunting about these songs.

also, i am thinking about getting an ani difranco cd...anyone have a
suggestion as to what to start off with? thanks y'all!

amy k

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subject:      re: favorite ig encounters

greetings to all in indigo land!

i had the great fortune of meeting both amy and emily 3 times in the past
year and a half.  the fist time was in burlington, vt in april of 1995.
i spoke to emily and got her autograph as she was running into soundcheck
late ("i gotta go now or amy's gonna kill me.")  i met emily again after
the show and my friend and i, who loves to sew, made amy and emily boxer
shorts and wrote them a little note each.  emily walked near us, stopped
and smiled and then gestured to us to come over to her.  we walked over
with smiles galore and told her how much we loved the show.  we asked her
if we could give her something we made for her and amy and she said yes.
she looked in the bag and pulled out the boxers and said, "boxers, cool
thanks a lot 'yall" she then put her arms around us and posed for a
picture and said she hoped we got to go to tomorrow's show at brown.

about 20 minutes later amy came out, walked right towards me and i couldn't
say anything at first, i was paralized with anxiety and with the fact that
amy was truly standing next to me.   i said that it was a great show and
how much their music means to me and she nodded and smiled and said thanks.
i sheepishly asked her to sign my po2 cd single whcih emily signed that
afternoon and she obliged.  i wanted to say something important, but all i
could get out was i really like the way your hair looks in that picture, i
wish i could get mine to look like that.  dumb comment deb  she looked at
the picture, smiled at me and said "shave your head and let it grow, that's
what i did."  words of wisdom on hairstlyes from amy, who whould have ever
thunk it :) !  i said we would be going to the brown show the next night and
she was very nice and said well i hope you enjoyed the show and will like
tomorrows too, take care y'all.

then next night at brown after the show my friend and i were tearing down
the stage helping the roadies.  i carried the girls guitar cases to the
truck and hung out with mm for a while backstage.  emily had already left
and i was standing by the back door resting and amy walked around the
corner and looked right at me, smiled and said hi as she walked by.  i
walked up the stairs behind her and tapped her on the shoulder and asked
her if emily gave her the boxers from last night and she said yeah, i said
my friend and i made them and she was like, thanks a lot, that was really
sweet of y'all take care.

this year, i drove down to atlanta for pride cause i needed an ig fix bad.
i went to see michelle malone play at eddie's attic at 7 and 10.  i was
sitting at the end of the bar and i turned around and emily was standing at
the door, 15 feet from me. i couldn't belive it.  what are the chances of
someone from massachusetts in atlanta for 3 days running into an indigo girl
at eddie's attic?  i didn't want to cause a stir cause it was a friday nite,
and she was hanging out with frineds, so as i was walking by to go to the
ladies room i stopped and said hello and had a brief conversation about
how i drove from mass to come to pride and finally visit atlanta and how
beautiful it was and that i felt really welcome there, i told her that i
now knew exactly what she meant in southland in the springtime and she
smiled and nodded and was like i'm really glad you like it here it's a
great place to live. i said i looked forward to seeing her and amy play
tomorrow.  she smiled, shook my hand and hoped that i had a good visit.
i ended up playing pool with the bouncer from eddie's after the show and
emily and her friends were playing at the next table. it was really relaxed
and cool, cause i didn't even think twice about emily being there, i just
was myself and everyone there just let her be and it was very respectful.

on sunday at pride after the girls did their set i was hanging around the
back area of the stage and all of a sudden amy walked over to the fence
and started signing autographs and i walked over and asked her if she would
sign my pride program and i talked to her for a bit and shook her hand, took
a few pictures. it was really cool, i never expected to meet either of them
again, never mind in atlanta, that was a real treat.

well, now that i have written a book i guess i will sign off.

thanks to everyone for their great stories. keep them coming!

take care and peace!

-deb

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date:         tue, 10 sep 1996 09:36:35 edt
reply-to:     "susan b. marine" <susan.b.marine@dartmouth.edu>
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from:         "susan b. marine" <susan.b.marine@dartmouth.edu>
subject:      i'm not a doctor, but i play one on tv (nigc)

--- you wrote:
thanks, man.
(i'm not a feminist, but i love women.)

-aras (mylzt1@aol.com)
--- end of quoted material ---
excuuuuuse me?
if you love women, you should be a feminist.

okay, susan "power to the sisters" marine shuts up now.

thx-
sus

hello, once again.
      you know, it has begun to worry me that this format has become my
"usual"... i just came on to say (you guessed it) that if i owe you anything
you should write... nicholas, john, sunny, paula... your stuff is going out
today.  kate g.- one more apology.  other kate, (the sesame street one) i
don't have your address around but need to talk to you, so please write.
anyone else, just write to me and tell me... i am trying to square
everything away.
      on an even scarier note, i added up all the cd's i've gotten this
month, and since september 1 i have gotten 27.  i'm serious.  i need help! :0
7 of them were free, though... had to share that.  i am addicted.  help! :0

      a few personal notes... p-head, i really want to talk to you...
hopefully i can write when i get home from the post office.  laughagus, thank
you for visiting!  we didn't get back until 7:30ish, so sorry we didn't hook
up later.  dr. l., i hope st. louis is treating you well.  miss you and all
that good stuff. =}  dana, have been totally digging your tape... a lot of it
is going to make it onto my tape for that *special* someone. =)
      as usual, michelle malone is god and we should all remember to regard
her as such. =)  if anyone has any tapes or photos or _anything_ of her, i
will do lots of strange favours for copies! :0
      i am still planning to make my locals comp, so if you're in a band or
like a band in your area or play the harmonica really well or something,
please tell me; i want to include you on my compilation.  i want to get that
done this month.
      "a + e = ig" bumper stickers are still going to happen; i just have to
have them printed.  as soon as they're ready i'll send you all the
information you need to get your very own! =)  also, if anyone can think of
anything catchy for a michelle malone bumper sticker, let me know. =)  if you
have an awesome idea i'll have them printed and give a you a dozen or so of
them free for the idea. =)
      last thing, i promise!  i have been lost for the last 3 months (i still
have unread mail from june!) so if any kind soul has any urge to dub newport
or bumbershoot or any of the new shows (besides the boathouse, b/c my darling
p-head has done such a wunnerful job of spoiling me...) i will be glad to
trade or send a blank.
      okay, i'm off now.  i hope that sums everything up. =)  love
everybodee! =)  peace, love, and butter biscuts, sarah

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from:         "susan b. marine" <susan.b.marine@dartmouth.edu>
subject:      barenaked huh? (nigc)

--- jules wrote:
..... now i like em but i have ta say you guy should listen to the
barenaked ladies. you're gonna love these guys. go out and buy gordon and
sit back with the volume loudish ... listen to it twice and see if ya
don't go wow great music and funny lyrics to. maybe you should drive
isn't quite a good and i don't have born on a pirate ship so can't vouch
for it. go out and buy it you'll thank me on day ....
--- end of quoted material ---
i know some people on this list hatre "me-tooisms" but i just had to second
jules on this one. i have loved and followed the bnl for many moons and highly
recommend them. they are ridiculously fun in concert too.... born on a pirate
ship is great....i have a couple of boots too if anyone really wants a listen
:)

susanna susanna danna
john mellencamp new release today!! wahoooooogie!

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subject:      re: *total* nigc:  "il postino"

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from:   tamara mizell[smtp:103660.214@compuserve.com]
sent:   monday, september 09, 1996 9:55 pm
to:     multiple recipients of list indigo-girls
subject:        *total* nigc:  "il postino"

hey folks!

sorry for the nigc (ahem... not really), but if you don't want to read, =
you can
delete me now. although, i figured some of y'all might appreciate this.

i just wanted to say that a partner in crime and i went to see an =
italian movie
called "il postino (the postman)" --- ya know, the one that was =
nominated for
all those oscars or something :) --- friday night and it was really =
great!!
basically, the whole theater agreed... 'cause i overheard lots of =
conversations
on the way out  :)  i just wanted to say that if this movie plays where =
you are,
you should hop on over to the theater and see it.  it was supposed to =
come out
on video (here in the u.s.) during the summer, but didn't.  not sure if =
it will
be released, but i'm glad i got to see it.  it sure is better than any =
american
film i've seen recently.  just wanted to let y'all know so you could =
check it
out.  trust me, it's worth it.  it has a lot of humor and cool poetry, =
among
other things.

peace and subtitles,
tamara

"that's fuuunnnn-eeeee!" -- tamster

i agree...fabulous movie. also for those of ya'll who enjoy foriegn =
films, i'd suggest 'antonia's line'. an amazing dutch picture. kind of =
reminiscent of 'like water for chocolate', only better.

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subject:      newport boot!!!!

     just got my newport boot---yeah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     thanks sundara!!!!!!!!!
     ...paul

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subject:      oops--ani difranco (nigc)

i know its difranc"o", i just can't type. oops!

amy k

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date:         tue, 10 sep 1996 07:38:03 -0700
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from:         regina shelley <rshelley@oregon.uoregon.edu>
subject:      college

okay, i have to speak up because i'm a college english professor.  i second
jen hall's comment.  you get out what you put in.  i love teaching, but i
have the worst time with students who are in my class when they don't want
to be.  it's not fun for them or me.  i wish 18-year-olds wouldn't go to
college if they are doing it just because they don't know what else to do or
because they want the social scene.  i wish they would join the americorps
or something while they decide what they want to do.  it's hard to get a lot
out of a college education if you don't know what it is that you want to get
out of it!!

it'll always be there, so what's the harm in working or volunteering first
after high school? just don't be afraid to go back to school if you decide
that's what you want.

--reggi
*********************
usa women's soccer #1
*********************

hey everybody!
        wow, i'm so happy to be back and attached to email, 3 months without
it was pure torture...   anyway, the folk festival was totally amazing, and
i still haven't recovered from "down by the river".  michelle malone
is my hero.  now i know y'all have probably talked about all this already,
but where can i get a copy of the boot???!!!  i know one has to be out there
somewhere...  please please please!!!!!

thank you thank you thank you
jennie

ps if anyone saved any good messages regarding the festival and wants to forward them to me, i'd be thankful and happy and full of joy(:

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subject:      benefits of college...

now some might think that i'm biased in this discussion because i actually
teach at a university, but in all reality i like where i'm at because i
like what i'm doing. i don't do this because i can't find a job in my
"profession" or because "those who can't, teach". :)

quite frankly, i would not be here on this list were it not for college.
i, like so many others of the people on this list, come from a very
conservative, rural area of the us.  i was fortunate enough to be an
excellent student-athlete in hs and got recruited to one of the top liberal
arts colleges in the country (if not the world).  this opened my eyes to
many things.  not only were there opportunities i had never considered,
there were things in the world that i didn't know about!

the classes i took opened my eyes to the world of education, the friends i
met opened my eyes to so much more. (the ig, me, different religions,
different cultures) i can more or less guarantee that had i not gone to
college i would be sitting in an economically depressed area of the country
being miserable.

i recently went to my 10 year hs reunion and there were plenty of people
there who were unemployed, on welfare, on drugs, closeminded bigots or who
hadn't really grown or matured since hs. it was sad to see. and although
a college degree no longer guarantees the holder a job, i think it's
invaluable in so many other ways.

lisa
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                                 lisa nordeen
                              (320) 589-6429 (o)
                              (320) 589-4782 (h)
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               "i am not an angry girl, but it seems like i have
                                everyone fooled."
                                                  -ani difranco
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subject:      re: educated.....(nigc)
x-to:         kirsten@spike.wellesley.edu
in-reply-to:  <9609101159.aa13520@spike.wellesley.edu>; from "kirsten
              chevalier" at sep 10, 96 7:59 am

someone said it very early on in this discussion, like everything else
higher education is what you make of it yourself. its not for
everyone, its not a guarentee.

that having been said, chalk a vote up in favor of college.

its been my experience that no matter what you study you are better
off for it in the long run, even if there is no direct relevance to
your life. for example i can't count the number of times mr.
greenwald's latin that i struggled through back at good ol' marquette
high has aided me in my futher studies of physics. it simply opened
my mind up to new way of thinking.

college provides an opportunity to expand your base of knowledge, to
open yourself up to challenges you would never race in the real
world(tm). calculus may seem irrelevant now, but being exposed to
thinking in terms of rates (derivitives) and sums (integrals) is a
definate survival skill. ask yourself how fast is the national debt
growing and what does that mean for the next 20 years and you'll see
what i mean!

the real world is much like graduate school -- you study something
very intensely and you become an expert in it.  the real world puts no
restrictions on what you can learn, but it does put practical
constraints!  honestly, how likely is someone to study the details of
iambic pentameter after a day of hard work?  how likely is it a
co-worker will do the same so there is someone to ask questions when
you inevitablely get stuck?  how many people are so self-motivated
that they will work through their frustrations when there is no
penalty for failure?

finally, don't discount the real life aspects of college, they are
plentiful. admittedly the lifestyle is not the same as for a
non-student; however, things are hardly easy. i'll spare you the stories ;)

-- chris

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date:         tue, 10 sep 1996 11:47:11 est
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from:         "cynthia a. crecca" <crecca@admin.njit.edu>
subject:      nigc:  education: an opinion (long and flammable)

how timely.
i work in higher education and all the students are back on campus giving
their opinions on college and it appears to be a popular theme with this
list. since education is an area i am most passionate about i feel i should
comment, as my head is spinning due to the number of posts and opinions on
this number.

i was particularly struck by the following statement made by a listee:
"this (life experience) is so much more valuable to me then sitting in a
classroom listening to a boring professor who is forced to teach uninterested
college students because he/she can't get a job in that particular field."

while i respect everyone's right to an opinion, i feel the need to take issue
with this statement.

1.  "professors who are forced to teach...because he/she can't find a job in
that particular field."
many (i cannot speak for all, just the ones i know) professors teach because
that is what they want to do, not because they have to do it.  my professional
goal in life is to teach political science on the college level.  i have
a passion for the discipline that is insurmountable and a geniune love of
academia.  it is in this environment in which i thrive and feel most happy.
i want to teach as an end, not because of lack of employment elsewhere.  and
with the scarce amount of jobs in academia nowadays, (ask any human resources
person at a college how many applicants they get for 1 open teaching position)
i would venture to guess you would find more ph.d's who want to teach in
non-teaching fields then you would expect.

2.  is college just "sitting in a boring classroom"?
if it is for some then i am truly sorry.  for me college was a time of
exploration and new experiences and i reveled in every aspect of it.  i studied
as many different disciplines as i could, made new friends, got involved
politically and socially, and worked.  i could see myself growing as a person
rather rapidly and enjoyed it.

i agree with everyone who says true education is life.  to quote the phi beta
kappa motto "love of learning is love of life."  i love being alive.  being
alive for me is learning and growing and experincing life.  i am always seeking
new information and new experiences.  the boundry between formal and informal
education is awfully blurry to me, it seems like a technicality.

i understand that there is a "system" or "formula for success" designated by
society. you need to go to college to get x degree to get x job. but
is this really the driving force behind motivations for a college education?
this sounds awfully alientating and dualistic and it would be a terrible shame
if this is really true. there is a game aspect to the whole college thing,
i admit that, but shouldn't that be secondary to the general desire to live
and learn?

i'm not saying college is for everyone or that you need a college edcation to
be educated (or to live for that matter).  a college degree isn't going to
get you a job.  a diploma isn't the gaurnteed ticket (and now with all the
studies showing the decline in value of a ba/bs over the past 40 years) to
anything.  in the end every individual is responsible for their own life.
who you are as a person is what will carry you.  college is a great opportunity
to grow as a person.

sure i've had professors who sucked, grades that i disagreed with, classes that
i hated (calc. like jen!), parental pressure, and general stress... but that
is part of life and part of college. it is not the end or point of college
though.

if one truely hates the system, and thinks the rat race is all there is, if
one thinks grades are pointless, school is useless and a waste of time and
money, then leave.  get out.  no one is forcing you to stay there.
if you find no redeming qualities in the education system whatsoever and think
it is all a big sham, then move on to something else.  if, however, you are
like a lot of the students that i work with that are just a bit stressed and
overwhelmed with the new school year and all, find something good in your
college experience and hold on to that.  it will keep you going...

"education is an admirable thing, but it is well to remember from time to
time that nothing worth knowing can be taught" oscar wilde

"it must be lived, learned, and embraced- both good and bad."

cynthia a. crecca
crecca@admin.njit.edu

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subject:      more on high school

yeah,  but did you ever notice that you were a pretty big jerk in
high school as well? i think everybody is. you can't help it. looking
back i realize that i stomped all over feelings, looked down on
certain people, and was basically so self-absorbed that i never
quite was able to put myself in the shoes of others,
although i thought i was so liberal compared to the
rest of the students. and i also noticed that people who said
they hated intolerance and bigotry tended to be  extremely intolerant of
my  "christian values" and other beliefs.  so anyway, the point is
that i think most people are jerks at age 16-19, although they may
not realize it, and thats why highschool sucks. just a couple o'
pennies for y'all.

feelin' funny and free,

jody

"skipping stones, we know the price now, any sin will do" --a.r.

i used to think the lyrics in this line were ... "innocence will do"
amy's slurry speech patterns though most times 'rockin' lend themselves
to misinterpretation. then i started wondering if it was her intention
that it sound like "innocence" because essentially, that is what the line
(to me) *is* saying. when we were young and naive we threw stones, or
"acted badly" now we know what the reprecussions from those actions can
be, are. at least that is my take on it. and i agree that everyone
interprets according to their own life experience. we take from
everything that which we need at the time. that being said let me
shamelessly add, i was a mere bic lighter in a pitch black void until i
heard the indigo girls, then.... it all made sense. thanks for the light
girls. (and i don't even smoke!) -- kim in north vancouver

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date:         tue, 10 sep 1996 11:21:22 -0600
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kirsten wrote:

>one of the very worst things that the american school system does is to
>convince its subj^h^h^h^hstudents that learning can only be secured in special
>places and special times, only with the help of semi-qualified teacher-people.
>when you go to school and learn that the only way to learn english is to
>write five-paragraph persuasive essays in a room with pale-green walls and hard
>chairs, that the only way to learn biology is to dissect dead cats in a lab-
>oratory, that the only way to learn *anything* is to have someone recite it to
>you till they're blue in the face, then you gradually begin to lose your desire
>to read a good story, to watch the squirrels frolic in your yard, to pursue
>truth and beauty without the sanction of institutional authority. this is a
>tragedy beyond belief.

i was taught that learning is a life long process. i was taught that my
formal education would simply serve as a solid foundation for what it is i
wanted to do and where it is i wanted to go; it wasn't labeled a guarantee
of those things. that message was delivered through out my life from my
parents to my 8th grade english teacher to the president of my college.

perhaps your educational experience wasn't/isn't the greatest but there are
schools out there that have different philosophies. there are schools that
know that the true meaning of "educate" is "to draw out" not "cram in".
there are teachers who are experts in their subjects and find joy in just
sharing what they know. there are teachers who aren't so interested in the
"right answer" as they are in caring about _your_ processes and guiding you
to discover _your_ truths.

if you are in a system that you feel fit to term "institutional" get out
and look elsewhere. there are wonderful schools across this county that
would welcome you.

deb

"our mind is capable of passing beyond the dividing line we have drawn
for it. beyond the pairs of opposites of which the world consists,
other, new insights begin."
-- hermann hesse

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date:         tue, 10 sep 1996 12:23:18 -0400
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i seen this to but i didnt care for the end of it it was a great movie
hugs anthony van pyre

on tue, 10 sep 1996, tamara mizell wrote:

> hey folks!
>
> sorry for the nigc (ahem... not really), but if you don't want to read, you can
> delete me now.  although, i figured some of y'all might appreciate this.
>
> i just wanted to say that a partner in crime and i went to see an italian movie
> called "il postino (the postman)" --- ya know, the one that was nominated for
> all those oscars or something :) --- friday night and it was really great!!
> basically, the whole theater agreed... 'cause i overheard lots of conversations
> on the way out  :)  i just wanted to say that if this movie plays where you are,
> you should hop on over to the theater and see it.  it was supposed to come out
> on video (here in the u.s.) during the summer, but didn't.  not sure if it will
> be released, but i'm glad i got to see it.  it sure is better than any american
> film i've seen recently.  just wanted to let y'all know so you could check it
> out.  trust me, it's worth it.  it has a lot of humor and cool poetry, among
> other things.
>
> peace and subtitles,
> tamara
>
> "that's fuuunnnn-eeeee!" -- tamster
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but it's not just books that we need to learn; i can't walk to the library
and check out a stimulating discussion group, or an expert in xyz type of
literature who helps me think about more than i thought of all by myself
in my bedroom reading my book....and i have a few friends who are willing
to bat around ideas on a great book but most people are too busy making
money.

on tue, 10 sep 1996, kirsten chevalier wrote:

> > degree. there really is something to be said for setting aside some time
> > to immerse yourself in the writings of the great thinkers of our age, and
> > i really missed out on that opportunity by making the choice i did. i
> but why do you necessarily need to submit to being graded like a pound of
> hamburger meat in order to read good books? the last time i checked, there was
> this wonderful place just a short walk away from my house called a "library".
> you can go there whenever you want, spend as much or as little time there as
> you want, read whichever books there you choose, and there's no one to look
> over you shoulder, ask you to write essays on "themes of class, race, and
> gender in _moby dick_" or whatnot, or give you an f if you don't do it the
> way they like it.
>
> one of the very worst things that the american school system does is to
> convince its subj^h^h^h^hstudents that learning can only be secured in special
> places and special times, only with the help of semi-qualified teacher-people.
> when you go to school and learn that the only way to learn english is to
> write five-paragraph persuasive essays in a room with pale-green walls and hard
> chairs, that the only way to learn biology is to dissect dead cats in a lab-
> oratory, that the only way to learn *anything* is to have someone recite it to
> you till they're blue in the face, then you gradually begin to lose your desire
> to read a good story, to watch the squirrels frolic in your yard, to pursue
> truth and beauty without the sanction of institutional authority. this is a
> tragedy beyond belief.
> kirsten
>
>
> --
> kirsten chevalier kirsten@olaf.wellesley.edu
> "because i want, because i will, because i can, so will i kill..."
> --jonatha brooke, "war"
> http://wilbur.wellesley.edu/n-z/t1kchevalier/t1kchevalier.html
>

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date:         tue, 10 sep 1996 10:09:16 -0500
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subject:      sotw: kid fears

see kristen? i promised and here i am fulfilling it... only about 3 weeks
late... :-)
        kid fears is <tracy hides under her computer desk> on of my 5
*least* favorite ig songs. stop throwing things at me and let me finish..
        that said, however, i think it is a good song.. i just do not happen
to like it. respect and dislike are not necessarily mutually exclusive.
        to me it generally strikes me considering what our fears were as
kids, compared to those we face today.  now, i happen to have danced through
a very dull childhood with nothing in particular that would ever get me
invited on oprah... so perhaps this is important ... but when she sings,
"what would you give for your kids fears" i think about the fears as a kid
(ohmygawdmylifeisover i can't get those jeans, ohmygawdmylifeisover i have
to go to bed early...) compared with today's (which bill can i let slide...
how can i get back into school....) and think to myself, "well bob, i'll
trade 3 adult bill concerns for 1 childhood worry about whether making that
face does risk permanent disfigurement" and that's what i would give for my
kid fears... :-)
        then again, since i don't really like the song <ducks, crawls on her
belly, hides under a rock> i do not listen to it a lot... so i probably do
not know what i am talking about... not that y'all would think this was
different. :-)

always imowo;
tracy <waving to my very slightly south "hi jeni!! see - i do post!">

"it's all jan's fault."
-- marcia brady, a very brady sequel

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date:         tue, 10 sep 1996 10:09:13 -0500
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subject:      igc - (no really!) panicking in pnw

allright y'all.... just tell me that someone did indeed boot bumbershoot...
i don't need to know when it will be available or who is aquarius or any of
that as yet... i will settle for someone telling me that it was booted..
kay? in fact, heck - i could use somethings to look forward to so just lie
to me and tell me it was. k? just knowing it was will fill me with an
inner peace experienced only by monks, dogs with a full belly, and
computer-geeks (said with admiration) who just upgraded.

tracy <panicky but at home and wanting to have the moon comment on tape>
"it's all jan's fault."
-- marcia brady, a very brady sequel

amy wrote:

date: tue, 10 sep 1996 09:20:00 edt
from: "krisko, amy" <kriska@emdpos4b.daytonoh.ncr.com>
subject: michelle malone and ani difrance (nigc)

also, i am thinking about getting an ani difranco cd...anyone have a
suggestion as to what to start off with? thanks y'all!

amy k

amy, imho ani difranco deserves the "genious" status in my book!! what
talent, energy and the wonderful ability to write songs that speak to us
without masks. pretty much sings whatever is on her mind!! if you were to
only buy one ani disc, (hope you don't have that limit!) pick up the "not a
pretty girl" c.d.
i think my favorite song on the disc is "32 flavors." (enjoy!) stacy.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
stacy waterworth
usa women's soccer supporter

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date:         tue, 10 sep 1996 14:06:26 edt
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subject:      nigc: new rem thumbs up

well i've listened to rem's "new adventures in hi-fi" twice now, and its
very good.

sort of a cross bewteen out of time, monster, and some early club
stuff and it works. at the moment i think "new test leper" is my fave,
but its early....

go pack go!

chris

regarding my current feelings towards formal education (i don't think highly
of it), i thought i'd annoy you (possibly entertain you) with a song i wrote
a while back:

teach me

going back to school in a universal nature
i'm looking to learn about a lot of new features
the bookshelves of the world are crowded indeed
i've tapped a tiny corner, i've sown a coupla seeds

teach me make me grow
show me let me know
have me in your midst
keep me on your list

walking through the crowds, i pick out a few signs
i think about some things, they diverge along different lines
then it all comes together, and as i've heard them say
i have seen the light (the light) and have a brighter day

teach me....

i want to change the world, but i'm changing myself
it feels much better to know, my part actually helps, my part actually helps
i see it can.... (exuberant drum fill)

teach me....

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hello all,
it's tamara's "partner in crime", tommy

just wanted to say that every thing she said about to movie is true!
it was great!!

i highly recomend it!

tommy

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date:         tue, 10 sep 1996 15:33:52 -0600
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subject:      bumbershoot boot....   :)

all right, all right, it's true... there is a nice little bumbershoot boot
floating around utah... yes the utah girls were prepared. i need about 6
or 7 people to volunteer to be tape tree branches, so if y'all want it,
please let me know and i can get a tree set up....

love the fabulous
corinne

1) i want to order an ejs cd from daemon but can't find a
   number to call for ordering (don't want to order thru
   e-mail)  or if anyone has a boot of the song fodder
   for the song, maybe we can work some boot exchange
   out?..

2) looking for the kristen hall cd fact or fiction - does
anyone know which label she is associated with?

if anyone can help me out with the above, it would be much
appreciated, thanks,

denise

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subject:      education

well, i certainly didn't mean for this to be such a big topic, but i'm
glad.  and i only have one comment that should make everyone understand why
education (education - not necessarily college) is so important.  i'm about
to be offered a job for $20,000 more then i make here at compaq.  why am i
being offered so much?  because i have a bachelors degree, a masters degree,
and a computer network industry certification called a cne.  this company
offers its pay based on what computer certification you have.  the cne is a
certification by novell, and i will be obtaining certification in microsoft
products.  the more certification i get - the more i make.  and the fact
that i have a masters degree only makes me more money.

so, i'll admit - college is not for everyone. hell, i took off 2 years
after high school before deciding to go to undergraduate school. but, i'm
certainly making more money and will be happier (and no, i'm not saying
money=happiness) in this new job.

so, for those of you in school.  try to get as much out of it as possible.
take this opportunity to learn as much as possible.  and formal education
is not always the answer.  tech schools are great, self study options are
good if that's what you're into, or any other options you choose for
education.  formal education is just more complete and creates a more well
rounded person, imho.  especially in the computer industry.  there are many
opportunities for certification; however, many companies still won't look
at ya unless you have at least an undergraduate degree.

so, take it for what it's worth. if you put forth the effort, it'll
eventually pay off - - but you have to work for yourself. nobody is just
going to hand it to you.

good luck,
- jen hall

hey everybody!!

i haven't posted in awhile but i thought i had to tell everyone my great
story of indigo luck!  the tickets for the woody guthrrie tribute show in
cleveland featuring the girls as well as ani and springsteen sold-out in
less than 2 minutes. i called the rock n'roll hall of fame the next day and
told them i was very upset because i was a member and couldn't get through
on the member phone line to order tickets.  she explained to me that since
all the performers were playing for free they all requsted x number of
tickets and the tv station needed tickets because they were taping it.  this
left only about 500 seats to be sold to the general public.  she said that
they were in the process of trying to retain tickets from the performers and
tv station & if anything opened up she'd call me.  well i got a call today
and i have my two tickets :)!!!  kellie from the list is coming with me! i'm
so excited!! i guess providence is smiling on me with his sweet face!!!

by the way the new r.e.m. is unbelievable. the best since out of time.
dare i say better?? i'll let you know with a couple more listens!

have an indigo day!

rob

hey- for all you queers, and friends of queers out there- if you haven't
heard, the senate voted doma in, and the prez sayz that he's gonna sign it..
oooohh.. what a baaaaaaadd day for queer rights..

hello, all! =)
      i just wanted to let everyone know that i'll be making my way over to
rainy day records this weekend.  if any of you wants anything, just let me
know and i'll pick it up. =)  this is a ploy by me to get myself to buy less.
see,i take a pre-set amount of cash, and the more of it i spend on everybody
else's stuff, the less i actually buy for me! =)  see how nicely that works?
so, let me know if you need anything. =)  btw, any atlantans going to see
wendy bucklew saturday night?  how about k's choice?  just curious.  later!
peace, love, and kitchen sinks (tee hee, susan), sarah

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date:         tue, 10 sep 1996 16:35:37 est
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subject:      nigc: happenings in congress...

i was just going to send this to my pal corinne and utah but figured that
there is a large group of people interested in gay rights that might want
to know this so here it is:

today (tuesday the 10th of sept.) the us senate passed by a 85-14 vote
the "denfense of marriage act" which prohibts social security, veterns
and similar federal beneifts  for spouses in same sex marriages if
they become legal in any state. (hawaii is working on it.)  it has already
passed the house and is on the way to the president who has stated on past
occassion that he would sign it.  the bill also says that other states
don't have to recognize same sex marriages from other states (i thought
this was illegal according to the full faith and credit clause of the us
constitution but...).

opponents of the bill will appeal it in the courts.

during the debate sen. byrd (who usually does really cool filabusters and
has the right opinion on things like ehanced recission) read from the bible
and stated that same sex marriage was absurd and flew in the face of thousands
of years of social stablity that traditional maarriage has afforded human
civilazation. that is almost a direct quotation.
(byrd is a dem. from west virginia)

sen. carol mosley braun liked the bill to the ban on inter-racial marriages
which was law in 16 states until the supreme court struck it down in 1967.

she is also a democrat and the only african american in congress and from
illonois i believe.

sen. ted kennedy (d-mass.) called the bill "in denfense of endangered republicans act (i chuckle) earlier. he introduced a second bill which the president
supports that is supposed to be voted on today which makes job discrimation
on the basis of sexual orientation illegal. i have not yet heard if that
passed the senate yet.

that is your capitol hill update.
and i can't even report it without editorializing! that is why i am not a
reporter!

cynthia crecca
crecca@admin.njit.edu

well, i've definetly been flamed before, but i was wondering..

you all know me, right? i don't wanna be a newbie anymore! (i
say while pouting, stomping and crossing my arms...=)
kel
--
what you are achieving is not as important as what you are becoming.
the opposite of lonliness is not togetherness, it is intimacy. (r.bach)
if you don't make dust, you eat it.
when you learn to love yourself, you will dissolve all the stones that are
cast... (indigo girls)

what horrible news to end an already bad day! i've been listening to npr,
trying to find out whether the bill had passed the senate or not, but it
figures that i found out over the ig list, where i get all the important
news! thanks for filling me (us?) in. it hasn't been a great day, and deep
down i knew doma was going to be approved by the senate, but i'm still
incredibly dissapointed once again by the suits in dc. what on earth is
their problem? don't they get that human rights include gay rights?! sigh,
how long till _their_ souls get it right...?

"well the world seems bent and the president
has no good idea who the masses are
well i'm one of them, and i'm among friends..."

e. s.
~abigail

at 06:16 pm 9/10/96 -0400, you wrote:
>hey- for all you queers, and friends of queers out there- if you haven't
>heard, the senate voted doma in, and the prez sayz that he's gonna sign it..
>oooohh.. what a baaaaaaadd day for queer rights..
>
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subject:      college & real life - the education thread got me too...

hi gang,

since everyone's talking about education, yeah, college was worth while!
it gave me opportunities to see the ig's play!!!!  :)  but now i'm a bit
further into real life, well, med school anyway, and i'm thinking more
and more about how great college was.  i'm in culture shock here - i went
to brown, a pretty liberal, open-minded kind of place, and now i don't know
whether it's my med school or the entire medical profession, but they
seem to attract rather conservative people here.  not only conservative
in the political sense, but more in the social kind of sense.  i hang out
with people who just don't get feminism... and people who make homophobic
cracks at any chance they can - and then claim they're not remotely
homophobic when i call them on it!  i'm not used to that kind of
reaction.  for me, college was a wonderful place that taught acceptance
of all things, very different indeed from most of the world.

sorry for wasting bandwidth, folks... i'm new on the list but i'm
assuming that most ig-listeners would be pretty open-minded... it seems
like the only place i have right now to vent about such things -- and
this education thread sort of almost gave me a reasonable tie-in to do
it.

back to the library,
deb
(seems like i'm one of many!)
alexand6@jeflin.tju.edu

hey all-
     i was curious if any of you new what is said after the song least
complicated on the so cd.  you can hear the bongos playing and then faintly
you can hear what sounds like emily saying:  that's the way i wanted to do
it, or something like that.  any ideas?

*lauren*
"love will come to you, hoping just because i said the words it be true..."

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on tue, 10 sep 1996, jody k baker wrote:

> and i also noticed that people who said
> they hated intolerance and bigotry tended to be extremely intolerant of
> my "christian values" and other beliefs.

so nice to know that i'm not the only one who noticed this.  this
doesn't just apply to high school either.  even now when i am around
non-christian people, i feel like i have to explain why i have chosen
to follow what they term as an "intolorant religion."  some even
invalidate anything i say or do simply because i'm a christian and
therefore am an "illogical religous fanatic."

anna

"the one who is making a path without instruments hardly notices
when the path behind is getting crooked unless a friend tells him."
-akan proverb in paraphrased form

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date:         tue, 10 sep 1996 16:31:21 -0800
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from:         sundara <smurphy@ups.edu>
subject:      any more info on a possible seattle show?,
              and hey look at my sig file!!!

hi,  i was just curious if anyone else just had heard any more rumors/plans
about a possible seattle show (please, oh please)  or if anyone knows where
i could find more out about this.  i'd love that,  so thanks!

also, sundara finally, after 3 1/2 years of email use, switched to a
system that has a sig file, so i set it up, and i hope it works, if it
does, isn't it cool :) i'm so proud. hee hee.

peace, love, parity, and purple!!!
sundara

"women want me, men fear me" --shirt sundara saw after ig show at
bumbershoot, that she thinks would be really funny to wear

"...you have to laugh at yourself, cause you'd cry your eyes out if you
didn't..." emily saliers

"...i had to close my eyes the whole time i was driving, cause i was so
scared of seeing dead things on the road, i was getting to be a real bad
case..."
amy ray

each time you love
love as deeply
as if it were
eternal.
only nothing is
forever

from "to each of you" audre lorde

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date:         tue, 10 sep 1996 16:45:57 -0800
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from:         sundara <smurphy@ups.edu>
subject:      re: i'm not a doctor, but i play one on tv (nigc)

>--- you wrote:
>thanks, man.
> (i'm not a feminist, but i love women.)
>
>-aras (mylzt1@aol.com)
>--- end of quoted material ---
>excuuuuuse me?
>if you love women, you should be a feminist.
>
>okay, susan "power to the sisters" marine shuts up now.
>
>thx-
>sus

right on susan!! how can you not be a feminist if you love women? sundara
gets a confused look on her face, not quite understanding this concept.

peace, love, parity, and purple!!!
sundara

"women want me, men fear me" --shirt sundara saw after ig show at
bumbershoot, that she thinks would be really funny to wear

"...you have to laugh at yourself, cause you'd cry your eyes out if you
didn't..." emily saliers

"...i had to close my eyes the whole time i was driving, cause i was so
scared of seeing dead things on the road, i was getting to be a real bad
case..."
amy ray

each time you love
love as deeply
as if it were
eternal.
only nothing is
forever

from "to each of you" audre lorde

>i agree...fabulous movie.  also for those of ya'll who enjoy foriegn
>films, i'd suggest 'antonia's line'.  an amazing dutch picture.  kind of
>reminiscent of 'like water for chocolate', only better.
>
yes, everyone, go see "antonia's line"  possibly the best movie i have ever
seen!!  sooooooooooo good!

peace, love, parity, and purple!!!
sundara

"women want me, men fear me" --shirt sundara saw after ig show at
bumbershoot, that she thinks would be really funny to wear

"...you have to laugh at yourself, cause you'd cry your eyes out if you
didn't..." emily saliers

"...i had to close my eyes the whole time i was driving, cause i was so
scared of seeing dead things on the road, i was getting to be a real bad
case..."
amy ray

each time you love
love as deeply
as if it were
eternal.
only nothing is
forever

from "to each of you" audre lorde

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date:         tue, 10 sep 1996 20:15:09 edt
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              96 5:09 pm

> you all know me, right? i don't wanna be a newbie anymore! (i
> say while pouting, stomping and crossing my arms...=)
> kel
> --
> what you are achieving is not as important as what you are becoming.
> the opposite of lonliness is not togetherness, it is intimacy. (r.bach)
> if you don't make dust, you eat it.
> when you learn to love yourself, you will dissolve all the stones that are
> cast... (indigo girls)
>
and the newbie asked the net.god, "master, when will i no longer be
a clueless newbie?"
and the net.god spaketh, "when you learn that .sigs longer than 4 lines are
passe, it will be time for you to leave."
and the newbie was enlightened.
=)

kirsten, who was never a newbie ;-)
"one studies _the divine comedy_ and the pythagorean theorem not to acquire
something to be exchanged for something else, but to understand the orders and
the kinds of thought and to furnish the mind with subjects and examples."
--wendell berry

hi y'all...someone mentioned to me that my post about having met
and/or worked with the girls a few times sounded a bit flip. i apologize if
this tone was portrayed in my post...it certainly was not intended to be
this way.

        i met the girls for the first time way back on 12/8/90 at a
comfortable and rocking show at smith college in northampton, ma...i was not
even in college yet, but had a couple of friends who were involved in
concert production in western ma and they invited me up...i spent the most
tiring, yet exhilarating day running around jmg hall putting down sound
cords, setting up mikes...and then helping to unload the girls equipment
(and let me tell you...they have acquired quite a few more things along the
way).
        they were very sweet and always thanking all of the crew everytime
we helped them out.  it was a great show and i ended up with a set list and
the fond memory of having a beer backstage with amy, emily and their crew
while amy mooched cigarettes from me...
        i won't say that the show made up my mind as to where i went to
school...but i did end up at umass and had a great four years going to
classes during the day (most of the time anyway) and working concerts and
clubs at night...
        well, this is getting a bit long...

peace jen

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date:         tue, 10 sep 1996 20:33:47 -0400
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subject:      k's choice show???

hey folks :) i saw someone's post that was going to rdr and offered to
pick up things for people..then at the bottom it asked if anyone was going
to see wendy bucklew or k's choice...does this mean k's choice is in the
u.s. and playing shows??? and if so..anyone know where when how much what
for and who dun it? any info would be gratefully appreciated
we are fortunate ones,
joe

*sigh*

it seems we queers have become a political football in an election year.
that doesn't make it any less offensive.
what are they afraid of anyway ????

...defense of marraige..... yeah sure...right.

*sigh*

binky
(jesus was a radical leftist liberal, that's what i think anyway...)

talk about ruining my faith in the american government!  (did i have any to
begin with?)  not that i'm some kind of constitution expert, but i kinda
figured that full faith and credit didn't mean "full faith and credit except
in cases which bob dornan et. al. deem inappropriate"  i guess madison and
them didn't count on this happening.  it's particularly ironic to get home
from school, where my government teacher was just lecturing on separation of
powers and how that can be so effective, and hear about this blatant case of
the legislature interpreting the constitution (in a way)...which i always had
assumed was for the courts.  oh well, what do i know?  grrr this makes me
mad!  how ignorant!
katy

in a message dated 96-09-10 04:19:40 edt, gkeyt@paul.spu.edu (gwendigo)
writes:

>
>as was once said in the words of sages:
>
>as your body grows bigger, your mind must flower
>it's great to learn! coz knowledge is power!
>
>

yay! it's schoolhouse rocky! (a chip off the block) : )

i still try to catch that saturday mornings! it rules, hehehe

-sheri : )

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hey everyone ...

i've been offline for a couple of days and haven't had a chance to read any
of my mail yet, but just glancing at my mailbox i see tons of stuff labeled
"nyc boot" so i know i have alot of typing to do tomorrow night ....

please be patient ...

also did y'all know that k's choice is opening for alanis morissette ???

chris

hi everyone!

what a strange dream i had last night. it was kind of funny, though. it's
weird how the subconcious works....

anyway, i'm at this family gathering, except i don't know anyone there.  it's
outside but it's dark.  i'm sitting at a sort of wooden picnic table and i
turn to my left and right and amy is sitting to my left and emily to my
right.  we start chatting, about what i have no idea, and then amy says
something like 'you have to give us a request', meaning that i had to name a
song for them to cover.  so in my dream i clear my mind of all thoughts and
the first song that comes to mind is 'walk on by', i forget by whom (i want
to say roberta flack, but i may be wrong) and i start singing it at the top
of my lungs.  at this point i'm standing on the picnic table and i turn
around and sean penn is sitting there (i haven't a clue where that came
from).  at least i didn't freak out and comment on amy's headwear this time ;
)

i also remember vaguely that i was playing volleyball at some point in the
dream but i don't remember if a&e were playing too- that would be cool!

i remember bits and pieces of the rest but i don't think there was much more
ig. : (

anyway, that's my ig dream- if any of you amateur freudians want to give it
a whirl, email me and let me know what you think!

-sheri : )
(who last night had an itsy-bitsy spider stow away in her car for her trip
from brooklyn to queens- actually, it wasn't so itsy-bitsy. i named her
charlotte)

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i always thought amy was singing the song to someone who had grown up and was
having problems in their life. she's saying, "what would you give for your
kid fears" , like when you were little and you worried about stupid things.
now you're older and have real problems and fears to worry about.

"secret staircase running high you had a hiding place."
there was always somewhere you could go to hide away from your fears and
problems.

"replace the rent with the stars above"
when you were little, you had no cares like paying the bills or rent, you
just looked into the sky.

anyway, i really love this song, especially since michael stipe sings on
it!!!!
*lauren*

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seaphish@aol.com wrote:
>
> hi everyone!
>
> what a strange dream i had last night. it was kind of funny, though. it's
> weird how the subconcious works....
>
so in my dream i clear my mind of all thoughts and
> the first song that comes to mind is 'walk on by', i forget by whom (i want
> to say roberta flack, but i may be wrong)

that's a pretty cool dream, although i too would wonder where sean penn
fit in all that... btw, "walk on by" was a burt bacharach song that was
song by dionne warwick, among others. i'm trying to imagine a&e doing
that song...

cyndi

in this time of heavy politics, i have been trying to think of something
very profound in my signature line. i think i found it, albeit in
somewhat of an odd place. let me know what you think. thanks!

elaine r.  (who has been deeply disturbed by our congress... i thought
that they were for the people???  i hope hawaii comes through for us... if
so lisa and i will be in line for a liscence.... as soon as we can afford
it.  anyone want to join our "quest"?)

<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>

  before you judge me take a look at you
  can't you find something better to do               hate is not a
  point the finger, slow to understand                family value!
  arrogance and ignorance go hand in hand
                               -metallica

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i think it's a fragment of a conversation between a & e. i think
emily says, "that's the way that i feel." i could be wrong. i think
amy asks her something right before that.

but something else about least complicated, if anyone knows the first
paragraph of james joyce's story "araby", don't you think it sounds
like the following lines. it's almost verbatim! (gwen c, back me up
on this!)

"i sit two stories above the street.
it's awful quiet here since love fell asleep;
there's life down below me though,
kids are walking home from school."

-j

ok, i had a weird little ig dream last night. i don't have these very
often so i can only assume it happened because we were talking about ig
dreams on the list.

anyway, i was in a city in a car and the street was huge and well lit.
lots of traffic and lots of lights. i don't even know what city we were
in. in the car with me were a bunch of ig fans and i don't know who any of
them were but i just know we were all going to see ig. so suddenly we're
inside a room and there are handmade ig t-shirts for sale strung up on
clotheslines, like you'd expect to see at an outdoor bazaar or in front of
a dead show i guess. amy was about 5 feet away from me and she was talking
to someone selling the shirts. i overheard amy asking the girl in a very
concerned (but not mad or angry) voice "so how much do you sell these for?
how much of your profits go to charity?" i remember thinking in my dream
"oh amy is right there" and not even blinking. i really doubt i would be
that calm in rl. well i'd like to think that i would be calm in every
outward appearance but i know my insides would be flipping around cause
i'm such a geek. hmmm... so that's all i remember. my cat kept waking me
up every 15 minutes all morning so i don't know what all i'm forgetting.

what a stupid dream :) i am jealous of the dreams people have where the
girls are actually singing, i think that would be cool. the only other ig
dream i clearly remember having is the one i had before new orleans. at
the time we were still going to drive down there (we ended up flying,
thank god!) so in my dream i forgot to pick the other list members up and
i pulled into a town which i thought was new orleans but it was actually
some town in kansas! there was a big stage there, which i could see from
the highway, so i saw the stage and thought "oh here is new orleans!" and
pulled into town. hmmm. and then i realized i had one day to get to no
and i was stuck in kansas and i didn't have any of the list members with
me. boy was i happy to wake up from that one. :) this is a fun thread to
read.

kristina

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the greek upon the stars http://www.az.com/~andrade

>
>but something else about least complicated, if anyone knows the first
>paragraph of james joyce's story "araby", don't you think it sounds
>like the following lines. it's almost verbatim! (gwen c, back me up
>on this!)
>
>"i sit two stories above the street.
>it's awful quiet here since love fell asleep;
>there's life down below me though,
>kids are walking home from school."
>
>-j
>

hey y'all! i can't believe someone else caught that! when i heard lc for the
first time, i knew the first 4 lines were familiar. then it came to me...
joyce's "araby!" here's the 1st paragraph from the sotry if anyone's interested:

"north richmond street, being blind, was a quiet street except at
the hour when the christian brothers' school set the boys free. an
uninhabited house of two storeys stood at the blind end, detached from its
neighbors in a square ground. the other houses of the street, conscious of
decent lives within them, gazed at one another with brown imperturbable faces."

if you are familiar with the story of "araby" it could add some further
insights into least complicated, which i will not go into at the moment
because it might just be a bad interpretation. either that, or it could be
exactly what emily wanted, being that she was an english major and all. who
knows! only emily. it seems to me that "araby" plays a part in lc. read the
story and see if you agree. just an opinion, but i've kept it to myself for
so long because i thought no one else saw the "araby" in it. if you want to
discuss this on the list, i'm game. if not, if you would like to discuss it
privately, i'm also willing. if you don't want to discuss it at all, well
that's fine too. good to know i'm not a flake for seeing this, although i
might be off the deep end...again :) lord knows it won't be the first and
definitely not the last.

i'm going to bed now :)

jendy

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oopsie! i meant to say that not only do i think the first 4 lines of lc
relate to the first paragraph of "araby." but all of lc relates to all of
"araby." didn't know if i made that clear. y'all probably think i'm a freak
but i don't care :) just makes me think that emily is a greater genius than
we all think.

sorry to waste bandwidth,

jendy

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subject:      do you ever wonder?

do you ever wonder if a&e are on the list under made up names? wouldn't
that be weird?  what was the poet's name again that three hits is about?
how do ya'll have ig dreams? i thought certainly that i would have one
last night because i saw the scene w/ a&e from bots right before i went
to sleep, but no dreamy. i even had a dream about mama cass once, but i
don't dream of ig girls. finally, i just wanted to inform you that i
want to get an ig tattoo.  in your opinion, what do you think would be
cool.  i already know what i want, but i want to check out others ideas.

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subject:      nigc: newbies and stuff

well kirsten, my destined grrl? can you ask the net gods to forever consider
me a newbie please? on this since february, and would really love to have
the continued leeway of being the newbie.. ya know? i mean, that could
excuse the private post i accidentally sent to the list a few months back,
the bandwidth problem i persist in, the spelling, etc etc.. so i would
prefer the newbie title thankyouverymuch!

tracy <lol>

waving to: my north, my very slight south, my east, and toward anyone else
who wants to be waved at
"it's all jan's fault."
-- marcia brady, a very brady sequel

greetings:

a sad day indeed.

for all those interested, here's the offical roll call and how "things went
down" (i.e. how (y)our 50 senators voted) on capitol hill regarding the
defense of marriage act (doma). funny how all 14 "nays" were all democrats.
i know that there are a few cool socially correct republicans out there. it
frightens me to think that none of them went out on a limb on this vote.

i plan to write both my senators (rip al d'amato alive and thank sen.
moynihan for his support). i hope that you'll do the same.

as far the scoop on the employment non-discrimination act (enda)
the following is the senate roll call vote for hr3396, a measure
that would bar federal recognition of same-sex marriages and allow
states to take the same action. the final vote for passage was
85-14.

*** yeas(85) ******************************************************
democrats (32)
baucus m (mt) dorgan b (nd) leahy p (vt)

biden j (de) exon j (ne) levin c (mi)

bingaman j (nm) ford w (ky) lieberman j (ct)

bradley b (nj) glenn j (oh) mikulski b (md)

breaux j (la) graham b (fl) murray p (wa)

bryan r (nv) harkin t (ia) nunn s (ga)

bumpers d (ar) heflin h (al) reid h (nv)

byrd r (wv) hollings e (sc) rockefeller j (wv)

conrad k (nd) johnston j (la) sarbanes p (md)

daschle t (sd) kohl h (wi) wellstone p (mn)

dodd c (ct) lautenberg f (nj)

independents (0)

republicans (53)
abraham s (mi) frist b (tn) mccain j (az)

ashcroft j (mo) gorton s (wa) mcconnell m (ky)

bennett r (ut) gramm p (tx) murkowski f (ak)

bond c (mo) grams r (mn) nickles d (ok)

brown h (co) grassley c (ia) pressler l (sd)

burns c (mt) gregg j (nh) roth w (de)

campbell b (co) hatch o (ut) santorum r (pa)

chafee j (ri) hatfield m (or) shelby r (al)

coats d (in) helms j (nc) simpson a (wy)

cochran t (ms) hutchison k (tx) smith r (nh)

cohen w (me) inhofe j (ok) snowe o (me)

coverdell p (ga) jeffords j (vt) specter a (pa)

craig l (id) kassebaum n (ks) stevens t (ak)

d'amato a (ny) kempthorne d (id) thomas c (wy)

dewine m (oh) kyl j (az) thompson f (tn)

domenici p (nm) lott t (ms) thurmond s (sc)

faircloth l (nc) lugar r (in) warner j (va)

frahm s (ks) mack c (fl)

*** nays (14) ******************************************************
democrats (14)
akaka d (hi) kennedy e (ma) pell c (ri)

boxer b (ca) kerrey b (ne) robb c (va)

feingold r (wi) kerry j (ma) simon p (il)

feinstein d (ca) moseley-braun c (il) wyden r (or)

inouye d (hi) moynihan d (ny)

independents (0)

republicans (0)

*** not voting (1) ******************************************************
democrats (1)
pryor d (ar) ?

independents (0)

republicans (0)

key -- special categories of not voting
#  paired for         x  paired against
+  announced for      -  announced against
p  voted present      c  voted present to avoid
                         possible conflict of interest.
s  speaker exercised discretion not to vote
?  did not vote or make position known

peace, love and (lots & lots of) understanding,
kate

in a message dated 96-09-11 01:47:38 edt, arbatson@hsutx.edu (hsu amber r.
batson) writes:

<< how do ya'll have ig dreams? >>

amber,

actually, i happened to eat a lot of greasy food before i went to bed!

-sheri : )

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subject:      re: daemon order ph? & kristen hall (nigc)

date:          tue, 10 sep 1996 17:41:55 edt
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2) looking for the kristen hall cd fact or fiction - does anyone know
which label she is associated with?

if anyone can help me out with the above, it would be much appreciated,
thanks,

denise

kristen's homepage will help -
http://www.windham.com/ourmusic/artist_pages/hall.empty.byartist.html

she is so cool

i was able to get it through normal channels in oz so you'll have no
trouble.

sue

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subject:      re: i'm back :-) finally

hi gwen

>mail from this list? your inbox will be packed....

> welcome back. and if you want another great ig cd (they all rock) go buy
>strange fire next. and run, do not walk, to the rainy day records site and
>get caroline aiken!! (and if you are in a spending mood, danielle howle)

i have just got live bait - caroline is a diva. tell me about danielle
howle. who is she similar to?

ta
sue jackel

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date:         wed, 11 sep 1996 02:32:14 -0600
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>do you ever wonder if a&e are on the list under made up names? wouldn't
>that be weird?

shit!!!  you caught me!  i thought flamer would be a good net name to
desguise myself under but i guess y'all are too damn smart for me.  hey,
this is amy.  as long as i am nailed, i might as well share some thoughts
with you guys.
        i have seen some recent threads here and want to apologize.  our
long delay in between albums obviously has y'all searching for anything to
talk about (see license plate and ig dream threads).  we'll have that new
album out to ya by spring of 97.  in the mean time enjoy chatting about
kitchen utensils, colognes, the most effective antacid or whatever.  i will
have to go and find another alias....

ps--as long as i am "out" now i think it only fair that emily gets
de-closeted as well. her alias sounds a whole lot like heb geiser--gotcha
emily!! :)

!@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*!*
# greg m. flamer               northwestern university   @
* 1411 w. sherwin ave # 1n     mfm520@lulu.acns.nwu.edu  $
& chicago, il  60626           gflame@nwu.edu            *
^                                                        &
#   "when you're learning to face the path at your pace  )
&    every choice is worth your while"--indigo girls     *
*                                                        !
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date:         wed, 11 sep 1996 03:48:56 edt
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              96 12:52 am

>
> do you ever wonder if a&e are on the list under made up names? wouldn't
> that be weird? what was the poet's name again that three hits is about?
> how do ya'll have ig dreams? i thought certainly that i would have one
no. yes. frank stanford. if you were as obsessed with the ig as some of us are,
they would appear in your dreams too.

> don't dream of ig girls. finally, i just wanted to inform you that i
> want to get an ig tattoo. in your opinion, what do you think would be
> cool. i already know what i want, but i want to check out others ideas.
>
hmm, how about a full-sized portrait of one ig on each buttock? hey, as long
as you're going for permanent body mutilation, why not make it as blatant as
possible? ;-)
kirsten
"for you, i would tattoo me, with lines crossing into a hand and a heart that
would never bleed..." -- a.

(note: if you haven't realized it already, that was a joke!!! i am not
suggesting in any way that anyone get amy's face (or emily's face, for that
matter) tattooed on their butt and will not be held liable if anyone does!!!)

greg flamer said:
>shit!!!  you caught me!  i thought flamer would be a good net name to
>desguise myself under but i guess y'all are too damn smart for me.  hey,
>this is amy.  as long as i am nailed, i might as well share some thoughts
>with you guys.
>
>ps--as long as i am "out" now i think it only fair that emily gets
>de-closeted as well.  her alias sounds a whole lot like  heb geiser--gotcha
>emily!!  :)

so, uh, dwayne. who was that we were sitting across the table from at
hampton beach? let me guess - they're not greg or deb, they just play
them on the list? :)

take care all,
sherlyn

ps - ig fan survey will be up within the next 24 hours or so... watch this
space...
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- sherlyn koo - sherlyn@fl.net.au -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
   "she said, 'i'm so glad that you finally made it here,
     with the things you know now that only time could tell.
     looking back, seeing far; landing right where we are,
     and oh... aren't we aging well?' "     - dar williams
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subject:      re: nigc: newbies and stuff
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>
> well kirsten, my destined grrl? can you ask the net gods to forever consider
> me a newbie please? on this since february, and would really love to have
> the continued leeway of being the newbie.. ya know? i mean, that could
> excuse the private post i accidentally sent to the list a few months back,
> the bandwidth problem i persist in, the spelling, etc etc.. so i would
> prefer the newbie title thankyouverymuch!
>

n e w b i e f e a r s (c) 1996 by kirsten "grrl o' destiny" chevalier
pain from perl
hey little grrl
how much do you know?
pain from perl
hey little grrl
your 'net connection's too slow?

-chorus:-
are you on fiiiiiire from the years?
what would you give for your newbie fears?

private channel, by /invite
you had a hiding place
private channel, invisible users
but the crackers can now get inside...

-chorus-

90 hours, we know the price now
any sin will guide her
how much longer on aol?
how long till she gets a real 'net provider?

-chorus-

-bridge:-
replaaace the tcp/ip socket configuration with the need to publicly embarrass
oneself
replaaace the isdn modems with the need to poorly spell
replaaace the java programming with the need to waste bandwidth
replaaace, the 10, the 10, the 10-line .siiiiiigs -- the 10-line .sigs!

-bridge-

-chorus-

-bridge-

all rights reserved. reproduce or transmit this song parody in any manner
whatsoever, other than via not-for-profit computer networks and graffiti on
bathroom walls, and you die.
--
kirsten chevalier kirsten@olaf.wellesley.edu
"because i want, because i will, because i can, so will i kill..."
--jonatha brooke, "war"
http://wilbur.wellesley.edu/n-z/t1kchevalier/t1kchevalier.html

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on tue, 10 sep 1996 mrobert824@aol.com wrote:

> hey- for all you queers, and friends of queers out there- if you haven't
> heard, the senate voted doma in, and the prez sayz that he's gonna sign it..
> oooohh.. what a baaaaaaadd day for queer rights..
>
my dear american cousins, *sisters* and brothers(!) it is truly a bad
day. i feel for you and if you want you can all move in with me..that's
vancouver canada!! i'll marry you off one at atime to nice gals and guys!!!
we have svend robinson here, the first openly gay politician in
parliament, we have betty baxter, hedie frye, we still get calls of anger
on the street but we have amazing rights. next time you are going to be
in town e@mail me at kimlin@vcn.bc.ca
unite - peace all..... kim in north vancouver
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on tue, 10 sep 1996, joe hamilton wrote:

> hey folks :) i saw someone's post that was going to rdr and offered to
> pick up things for people..then at the bottom it asked if anyone was going
> to see wendy bucklew or k's choice...does this mean k's choice is in the
> u.s. and playing shows??? and if so..anyone know where when how much what
> for and who dun it? any info would be gratefully appreciated
> we are fortunate ones,
>
hi joe... yup, k's choice is here... they're touring with alanis. that
show came through my area the night before i found out about it. i'd have
gone to see k's choice in a heartbeat!

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subject:      they will know we are christians by our...what?

>on tue, 10 sep 1996, jody k baker wrote:
>
>> and i also noticed that people who said
>> they hated intolerance and bigotry tended to be  extremely intolerant of
>> my  "christian values" and other beliefs.
>
>so nice to know that i'm not the only one who noticed this.  this
>doesn't just apply to high school either.  even now when i am around
>non-christian people, i feel like i have to explain why i have chosen
>to follow what they term as an "intolorant religion."  some even
>invalidate anything i say or do simply because i'm a christian and
>therefore am an "illogical religous fanatic."
>
>anna

in my opinion, this is because organized christianity is spending a good
deal of energy making sure that if you don't believe what they believe that
you don't have access to nor are you entitled to the "life, liberty, and
pursuit of happiness" that this country is all about. nothing new here,
right? forced conversions of jews during the middle ages, the persecution
of galileo (oops, they apologized for that...hundreds of years later), the
forced conversions of native americans, the criminalization of birth
control in the early part of this century in the us, the on-going battle
to deny choice to women, and the on-going struggle to prevent gay people
from living the "american dream".

as for doma...the people who passed doma for the purpose of sanctifying the
institution of marriage have, in fact, done the exact opposite. by
passing a restriction which effectively says "love and commitment
between two people are not the requirements for marriage...that the couple
being a woman and a man is", they have undermined the institution and
turned it into something no better than a restricted (whites only)
country club.

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date:         wed, 11 sep 1996 09:44:02 est
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subject:      nigc:  more happenings in congress...

since i am such the political junkie that when i got home from work and
a trip to my editors (ok, he is not an editor but a friend who proofreads
stuff for me) i turned on my favorite channel (c-span) and watched some
of the senate debate on doma. (yes i cheer and boo and heckle my tv...)

in any case, in trying to follow sen. byrd's arguement for passage of
doma he argued that this bill was necessary since there were no real federal
definitions of the term marriage and spouse and that the federal government
needed to define it for themseleves, as states need to define it for their
purposes.
he also made some sort of analogy to the colorado legislation and said that
this (denfese of marriage act) was different because it did not treat
homosexuals as an inferior class, and it just defined the federal scope of
marriage or something. i need to re-read it.

as far as the question of constitutionality of absconding the "full faith
and credit clause" of the constitution (for all you out there who don't
read the constitution as much as i do because you have a social life,
this clause says that states have to recognize each other's papers and
legal documents. this is why my nj drivers license is valid in ny and why
court papers are recognized from state to state) that many think doma
does:
congress can, according to the constitution, make exceptions to this clause.
i just don't really know the limits of these exceptions. i guess the courts
will have to decide this.

as to the question regarding is congress allowed to violate the constitution?
no, but it is the branch that makes the laws. it can make laws and the
supreme court under maybury v. madison can judge the constitutionality.
(am i getting my supreme court cases right)

as for the bill that would end job discrimation based on sexual preference,
that failed the senate by a vote of 50-49.  the missing senator was david
pryor who was at his son's bedside during 12 hours of cancer surgery.  he
said in the past that he would vote for the bill, but he missed the vote.
(when there is a tie in the senate, the president of the senate which is
the v.p. of the u.s. gets to break it.  gore said he would vote yes for this
bill.)  for all you political science hacks out there, isn't there some way
that you can vote via proxy on rare occassion with unusual circumstance?
i will have to check that out.

if you want to know why the vote for doma went as it did, public opinion
polls show that the people of this us of a are opposed to gay marriage by
a 635 to 27% margin (63% opposed to the idea).

however, 80% of americans feel that job discrimination based on sexual preference is wrong and this still failed. the house would have let it sit and not
take action on it before the end of the current session which would kill the
bill.

some good news:
the 104th session of congress is drawing to a close. sen. ted kennedy said he
would introduce the job discrimation bill again during the 105th session
(which starts in january). depending on the election of course, this could
mean the bill will be law in 1997.

another question for all you constitutional lawyers out there, do legal
groups need to wait for a state to deny recognition of another state's
marriage license to a same-sex marriage before they can seek to appeal it
for unconstitutionality?

cynthia crecca
crecca@admin.njit.edu

>as far the scoop on the employment non-discrimination act (enda)
>the following is the senate roll call vote for hr3396, a measure
>that would bar federal recognition of same-sex marriages and allow
>states to take the same action. the final vote for passage was
>85-14.

i think you forgot to include something info here. enda didn't pass. there
were 49 yea votes, 50 nays. one senator from arkansas didn't vote because
his son was having surgery. apparently he would have voted in favor and al
gore would have broken the tie with a yes vote. (clinton supported the bill
too)

anway the bill didn't pass and that means i can still get fired from my job
simply because of who i love. i don't know if i should be happy that at
least these topics are being discussed and voted on or pissed about the
crap that's being thrown about by our elected officials. one good thing is
that ted kennedy (who sponsored enda) vowed to bring this bill to a vote
next session.

deb

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date: tue, 10 sep 1996 22:55:07 -0400
from: "elaine m. rigby" <emrigby@naz.edu>
subject: re: new signature (nigc)

your new signature made me think about another similar lyric from the rush song
"witch hunt" (from the 1981 album - moving pictures)

   quick to judge,
   quick to anger,
   slow to understand

   ignorance and prejudice
   and fear
   walk hand in hand.

currently reminiscing about high school and life in the 80's...
john cooperider

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subject:      have you noticed?
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y'all,

kris mcmay who opened for the igs at some of their shows....on her album
things that show she thanks amy and emily... but did you notice that she
spelled emily's name wrong. run home and check your albums....is it just
mine?

womdering,

jamie

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subject:      nigc: doma

          all i have to say is....heterosexual drive-thru weddings in
          las vegas are considered more valid than a committed same
          sex marriage.. ..remind me again why homosexual marriages
          are the ones in question here......go figure.

xena warrior princess

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well long time ago in a galaxy far far away in a small place called
lansing michigan the girls came and they played and they pissed me off now
why might they have pissed me off oh these girls so loved because it was
for the rop tour and the only song i knew by them was galilelio<==spelt
wrong i know and this was the tour the first person who made it in got to
make the set list all nite i waited patiently for my song and they diddnt
do it not ever as a encore big fish ensemble opened for them if anyone has
this as a boot let me knwo specially if they got big fish booted with it
hugs anthony van pyre

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subject:      re: senate and doma nigc
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per haps you mean lesbians and homosexuals or gays?

on tue, 10 sep 1996 mrobert824@aol.com wrote:

> hey- for all you queers, and friends of queers out there- if you haven't
> heard, the senate voted doma in, and the prez sayz that he's gonna sign it..
> oooohh.. what a baaaaaaadd day for queer rights..
>
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subject:      free of hope

i have to agree with sasha. free of hope is awesome. the first few times i
listened to it, i wasn't too sure how we got along, but we've since talked.
it's moody and dark and brooding in a completely unapologitic way that makes
you feel good about being in a bad mood, too. i love it. amy's voice sounds
totally foreign, i can almost picture her sneering while she sings it.
cari

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subject:      greg flamer?

all i have to say is that if that's really amy, then the goddess hates me.
if it wan't amy, then let's talk seriously about the major case of blue balls i
now have.
amy come back, talk to us some more.
shit...
cari.

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on wed, 11 sep 1996 02:32:14 -0600
greg matthew flamer <gflame@nwu.edu> writes:

shit!!! you caught me! i thought flamer would be a good net name to
desguise myself under but i guess y'all are too damn smart for me. hey,
this is amy.

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tsk tsk tsk, impersonating an indigo girl, shame on you. i think there is
help for that...

betsy

-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_
..you see turning off the light switch is their only power
      when we stand like spotlights in a mighty tower
                       all for one and one for all
                    then we sing the common call
                                   let it be me...
                                                             e. saliers
_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-

first, thanks to everyone who e-mailed me regarding ordering from
daemon and on the kristen hall label!

this is going to sound crazy but here goes:

rather than wade through list postings and responses, i'd like to find
someone who thinks that they know everything there is to know about
artists associated with rdr, daemon or ig related (translation: pretty
much any name you see mentioned on the ig list!) and can buy
second hand cds by these artists.

if you think you are this person, i would be interested in setting up
some sort of arrangment where i could get information on specific
cd titles and have you as my "buyer". give me cost for cds plus
shipping and if it sounds good, i'll send the money to cover it
and a percentage on top or flat fee for your efforts.

i'm working on the honour system here. if anyone is interested,
please e-mail me privately and we'll discuss it.

and if someone on the list thinks this is flame material for whatever
reason, e-mail me privately. thanks,

denise

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subject:      re: do you ever wonder?
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on wed, 11 sep 1996, hsu amber r. batson wrote:

> do you ever wonder if a&e are on the list under made up names? wouldn't
> that be weird? what was the poet's name again that three hits is about?

hi amber, kim from north vancouver here... the poet's name is
frank stanford, he was born in mississippi in august 1st 1948, and
adopted a year later. he spent his first ten years around various
construction encampments, as his father built and supervised the
maintenance of levees on the miss. river. this was a world of black
workers rich in contrast that contributed greatly to his poetry. upon
moving to a primarily white area in arkansas where blacks were
*unofficially* forbidden to live was a shock for him and that had a major
effect on his work. if you are interested in reading any of his work i
would recommend "the singing knives". frand stanford took his own life on
june 3rd 1978 by shooting himself three times in the heart.

"the minnow" - frank stanford

             if i press
             on it's head,
             the eyes
             will come out
             like stars.
             the ripples
             it makes
             can move
             the moon.

finding frank stanford in book stores is very difficult, try to take it
ou of the uni/college library, good luck, kim (north van.)

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subject:      it figures

hi list!
okay what's the deal with the flamer? if it's really ar, then it figures
that the only way i would ever meet her would be over email.
today is just not my day.
see ya
amy c.

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subject:      list dream - very little igc

i am always hoping to have an ig dream, but can't seem to control my
subconscience well enough. instead, i had a dream that i went to a list
gathering in a large old house. i knew i wanted to attend, although you
were all close friends and i felt very out of place. weird. i heard the
names of people there, but can't remember them now. needless to say, if
there is ever such a gathering, i'll be there.

connie

"elaine m. rigby" <emrigby@naz.edu> put this in her sig file (and seemed
quite proud of it):

it immediately pointed my mind to an old rush song, witch hunt, which i
thought might be of interest based on recent political events:

the night is black, without a moon
the air is thick and still
the vigilantes gather on the lonely torchlit hill

features distorted in the flickering light
the faces are twisted and grotesque
silent and stern in the sweltering night
the mob moves like demons possessed
quiet in conscience, calm in their right ---
confident their ways are best

the righteous rise
with burning eyes
of hatred and ill-will
madmen fed on fear and lies
to beat and burn and kill

they say there are strangers who threaten us
in our immigrants and infidels
they say there is strangeness too dangerous
in our theatres and bookstore shelves
those who know what's best for us
must rise and save us from ourselves

quick to judge, quick to anger, slow to understand
ignorance and prejudice and fear walk hand in hand

---neil peart

to me, the song reminds that society is still to this day motivated by fear
of the 'unknown,' meaning anything that is not perceived as 'normal.'  in
colonial times, the remedy was violence, today it appears to be politics (and
i'm sure there's violence too, but it's not the 'official' response).  i'm
wondering, have we progessed or regressed?  which is worse, physical pain or
mental pain, violent oppression or psychological oppression?

-aras
"so i learned the hard way, there is no time when all is clear." -me

>how can you not be a feminist if you love women?

can't i love women, and men, as individuals, without putting any label on
that love?

what is wrong with just plain old love?

-aras

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subject:      re: do you ever wonder?

on wed, 11 sep 1996, greg matthew flamer (who is really amy ray) wrote:

> shit!!! you caught me! i thought flamer would be a good net name to
> desguise myself under but i guess y'all are too damn smart for me. hey,
> this is amy.
<snip>

well, as long as you have disclosed your identity to us, would you
care to join in the discussion of the song of the week. what were
you meaning when you wrote kid fears? :)

anna

i said, "darkness into darkness on the carraige of my journeys."
(what anna discovered herself singing one day while listening to rop.)

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subject:      way nigc: election year humor

this has no relevance to anything, but it left me rotfl (insert your
favorite meaning here). given we were griping about political choices
earlier....

have fun,

chris

p.s.  this is from a parody newspaper called "the onion" which is on the
        web at the url http://www.theonion.com -- check it out, its a great
        site.

p.p.s. if you are humor-challenged when it comes to the presidential
race, hit 'd' now.

===================

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(copyright the onion 1996, http://www.theonion.com/)

                perot, forbes join forces to form
                    crazy rich bastards party
                ---------------------------------

american voters were given a third political option yesterday
when texas billionaire h. ross perot and multi-millionaire publishing
magnate/heir steve forbes announced that they have joined forces to
form the crazy rich bastards party.

the alliance, which had been in the works since the start of the
1996 presidential race, was finalized at a recent meeting in which the
two candidates reached a consensus regarding policy.

"we are unbelievably rich," said perot, speaking from crazy rich
bastards party headquarters in the penthouse suite of new york city's
plaza hotel. "and i don't think anyone would dare deny that we are
both full-blown batshit loonballs."

added forbes: "my dad used to take balloon rides with liz
taylor."

the marriage of political ambition and wealth is a longstanding
american tradition, one with which both candidates are intimately
familiar.

"i have a billion goddamn dollars, just like a lot of other
presidents did," perot said from behind his desk of fine italianate
marble. "all the good ones had about sixty-leven billion goddamn
clams."

"john kennedy's dad was a self-made billionaire," said forbes
from his hiding place beneath perot's chair. "and so was mine."

many americans have already thrown their lot in with perot and
forbes, most notably amway salesmen, exiled european royalty and those
with a history of mental instability. still, political pundits were
quick to point out that the ability to amass a large personal fortune
was not necessarily indicative of political prowess.

"hell, yes, i'm rich," said perot, resplendent in a dallas
cowboys football helmet and a sequined designer wedding dress as he
walked his miniature poodles about the floor of party headquarters.
"and reagan was a movie actor. but what we both got is insanity.
shoot! heck-fire! also, i am one folksy fellow!"

"i have some remarkably non-lucid theories on welfare reform,"
said forbes, spastically waving a feces-besmeared pad of legal paper.
"i have written them here in a code of my own devising which you are
far too poor to decipher."

the crazy rich bastards party platform, although still in the
planning stages, seems to center on economic reform and the addressing
of certain domestic issues.

"i want an old-fashioned brass diving helmet," perot said. "and
i will wear it while balancing this nation's checkbook. also, i'm
gonna get that state that keeps short-sheeting the national bed and
teach him that he can't mess with the america people!"

"my dad had a lot of motorcycles," forbes added. "i am the
forbes."

though it is too early to predict the new party's impact on the
november election, some dole supporters are already showing interest.

"i am rather obscenely rich," said james havisham-smythe, a
boston shipping magnate. "and i am also addicted to the tincture of
laudanum. perot and forbes are just what people like me have been
looking for. they will make the leprechauns stop yammering and take
care of the bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs."

both crazy rich bastards party leaders are confident that the
future ultimately belongs to them.

"america needs h. ross perot and his lucky can of soup," perot
said. "they'll come around, just as sure as i'm nailing shingles to my
back."

"america," forbes added, his mouth bleeding from gnawing on the
banister. "can of mustard."

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mit center for space research                 upon the stars...."
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subject:      new releases this week (very little igc)

ummm.. is this not the best week to be an music fanatic?
ok, the new rem is umm..incredible (i am on it -- well they recorded one of
the songs "undertow" @ fleet center in boston 10/1/95 )
   suzanne vega's new one also came out tuesday.  she is in boston @ tower
newbury tonight @ 6 pm -- i planned on going but i am a bit ill and a 12
houre drive for a 45 min. show on a school/work night isnt exactly appealing.
    john mellencamp has a new release -- from what i heard from a friend it
is good.
and......
     billy bragg released another album on elektra. it is called "william
bloke" no press has been done on this album, i did not get his live indie
release because i have not seen it so buy this and support billy, he is a
incredible, fantastic performer and i may havew to review his album for the
school paper because, while rem put out an album better than "monster and
out of time" but nothing compares to automatic (which wins my album of the
decade vote!!!) but it is really big and i hope i can give some well
deserved press to mr. bragg.

mike r.
ps- i did get everyone's email (thanks melissa, joan and binky) i will reply
asap -- again i have been having an annoying medical problem.

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subject:      re: "araby"

jendy wrote:

>if you are familiar with the story of "araby" it could add some further
>insights into least complicated, which i will not go into at the moment
>because it might just be a bad interpretation.

well i personally hate joyce, but there are similarities, though the angst
of first time love in "coming of age" stories is common in many stories so
there is no guarantee that this is the story that emily was thinking of at
the time (not that that necesarily matters in an interpretation).

--reggi
*********************
usa women's soccer #1
*********************

hi!

thanks to everyone who emailed me to tell me that dionne warwick performed
'walk on by'. maybe subconsciously i want to become a psychic friend...

i also have figured out the connection between ig and sean penn:

1)  sean penn was in 'dead man walking' with susan sarandon
2)  susan sarandon was in 'thelma and louise' with brad pitt
3)  brad pitt was in 'seven' with morgan freeman
4)  morgan freeman was in 'driving miss daisy' with jessica tandy
5)  jessica tandy was in 'fried green tomatoes' with mary-louise parker
6)  mary-louise parker was in 'boys on the side', in which the ig performed!

there you go- 'six degrees of separation' between ig and sean penn. now i
don't feel so wacko anymore ; )

-sheri : )

\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\

okay, the bumbershoot boot is almost ready to go out... i have my tape tree
set up, thanks to everyone who volunteered. i will get the tape tree names
out to you all as soon as i can, it's just the most hectic, awful week i
have had in a long time so i am trying to sort everything out. be patient,
it will be out soon...

love
corinne

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
when all we wanted was the dream to have and to
hold that precious little thing.... sarah mclachlan
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

so, i had a little bout of insomnia last night, i laid in bed for three
hours before i finally drifted off to sleep.

first, i tried to sing myself to sleep, after five times throught "get out
the map", i decided it wasn't working

so then, i pondered what-to-do-with-the-rest-of-my-life and
how-i-would-solve-the-worlds-problems-if-i-were-in-charge, still no sleep.

then i was thinking about how amy ray chose the word "indigo" out of the
dictionary, so (and this is the point of the story) if pulled out a
dictionary, and if i were amy ray, we would all be on the "jumada girls"
list, hee hee hee.....

peace, love, parity, and purple!!!
sundara

"women want me, men fear me" --shirt sundara saw after ig show at
bumbershoot, that she thinks would be really funny to wear

"...you have to laugh at yourself, cause you'd cry your eyes out if you
didn't..." emily saliers

"...i have to close my eyes the whole time i was driving, cause i'm so
scared of seeing dead things all the time, i'm getting to be a really bad
case..."
amy ray

each time you love
love as deeply
as if it were
eternal.
only nothing is
forever

from "to each of you" audre lorde

in a message dated 96-09-11 02:55:02 edt, susan write:

<< i have just got live bait - caroline is a diva.  tell me about danielle
howle.  who is she similar to?
  >>

i am reminded of ellen mclwaine (sp?). but when i mention this to
folks they look at me in a vacant manner. (youngsters !)

bjinsky
(who also thinks diamanda galas sounds like a mutant eartha kitt......
maybe nina haagen meets eartha kitt ...whatever it is...i like it !:)

hey ! i'm not getting my usual reams of mail today....something is
very spooky here.......

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subject:      say it ain't so..amy ray smokes???
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on tue, 10 sep 1996, jen lucero wrote:

>         hi y'all...someone mentioned to me that my post about having met
> and/or worked with the girls a few times sounded a bit flip.  i apologize if
> this tone was portrayed in my post...it certainly was not intended to be
>         they were very sweet and always thanking all of the crew everytime
> we helped them out.  it was a great show and i ended up with a set list and
> the fond memory of having a beer backstage with amy, emily and their crew
> while amy mooched cigarettes from me...
> >         peace   jen>
dear fellow ig troopers,
this is kim (north vancouver) writing to let you all know that i am
having a crisis of faith as we speak. i am not joking. i have never
smoked. when i was younger it was an act of rebellion because my
parents did smoke (go figure). and when i was in my twenties i was a
serious athlete and it just 'don't' go with training. so, that being said,
and circumstances being different who knows, maybe i was lucky enough not
to start. but...but.. i have not made it my mission to try to enlighten
the world, politics, gay rights, habitat for humanity, greenpeace, honor
the earth, i am not selling this as my message, nor am i advising people
to act in their communities while all the while obliging a habit that has
stripped people of their dignity. the advertisers and corporate hench men
alone should be reason enough not to smoke. never mind the industry, the
power they hold, the medical dilemma we face today because of smokers.
please, oh please, someone tell me this is not so. and to all you smokers
out there, please, i do not mean to judge you. i am reluctant to send
this to the list, the last thing i want to do is antagonise hundreds of
people who may or may not smoke, it's how i feel. i have absolutely loved
the ig since i first heard them, if this horrible reality is true i
honestly do not think i will listen to amy the same way. is this harsh? am
i being completely closed-minded? please.. without being defensive, and
without hostility, may we put this up for discussion? dare we?

sincerely kim (north vancouver) who values each and every opinion and/or
response to this and will appreciate it greatly. just don't hate me for
being honest. and.. i hope i'm wrong, i hope amy was "mooching cigarettes"
for a mural she was making! (she waits anxiously as the impending
onslaught chomps at the bit)!!!

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reply-to:     kirsten chevalier <kirsten@spike.wellesley.edu>
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subject:      sotw: prince of darkness

well, here we go again. evidently, the listserver has, once again, barfed, not
only depriving us for at least a day's worth of ig-l fix, but also consigning
us to the fate, once the server feels better, of receiving n plaintive cries
of "hello, hello, is this thing working?" however, while we're *waiting*...
...we can start thinking about the sotw, prince of darkness! (nice segue, eh?)

this is a song about trying to bring one's life out from the darkness back into
the light, about rejecting evil in favor of good. let's hope that all of you
who would so much as consider posting "what happened to the list???" messages
will keep this message in mind. ;-)
kirsten

just thought i'd send along something someone sent to me when
i was finishing up university:

life & college
==============
people who go to college are incredible.

we go to classes.  we read and absorb and are comprehensively tested on
heavy amounts of various materials.  we sleep very little.  we drink
ourselves into oblivion.  we kill ourselves with several types of smoke.
we cough and keep smoking.  someone is always sick.  someone is always
complaining.

we become attached to close friends. we smother each other. we lean
too much.

we think often of the past and want to go back.  we know we cannot.  we
all have separate lives, families, backgrounds and pasts.  we live totally
different from how we used to live.  we are frustrated and sometimes want
to give up, but we never stop trying.

we disregard health.  we eat awful foods.  we are forced to think about the
future.  we are scared and confused.  we reach out for things, yet we don't
find them.  we try to sort out our minds, which are filled with studies,
worries, problems, memories, emotions--powerful feelings.  we wander the
halls looking for happiness.

we hurt--a lot.

we keep going, though, because above all else, we never stop learning,
growing, changing, and most important dreaming. dreams keep us going and
they always will. all we can do is be thankful that we have something to
hold onto, like dreams and each other.

** end of include **

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subject:      honor

hi everyone,
i was listening to our local public radio station here in
boulder and heard them talking about "honor".  that
is the new cd that daemon records put out as part of
honor the earth.  they talked about the information
presented in the cd.  one of the topics mentioned was
concerning all the clear cutting of forests that is going on
right now in the us, canada, and south america.  the
indigenous peoples are banning together, along with the
indigo girls, and trying to prevent the cutting of the forests.
at least on their lands.  also mentioned was "unplugged
day".  it is coming up on october 13th, which is not a friday.
what they are asking is that everyone try to not use
electricity for that day.  to help us better understand our
dependency on it.  i guess that means turning off our
computers on the 13th and *yikes* no posts.  they played
a few cuts from the cd.  i really liked "the future is a war"
and "oil, guns and  drugs".   it sounds like a great cd and
a great cause.

take care y'all,
- - howdy...

i actually had an ig dream. i never remember my dreams and figured i would
probably never have an ig dream like i keept reading about, and if i did i
knew i would never remember it. my dreams are all really strange and i can
never figure out their meaning, even though i can figure out all of my
friends dreams.

the dream started with me in my dad's little tiny town, norwood, colorado
(it's near telluride). i saw amy and went up to her and asked her what she
was doing there. she told me that emily had grown up around there and that
they were visiting.

the next part i remember i was in the highschool and a&e were both there
then. there were a whole bunch of people there watching tv, it seemed like
the entire town. they were all waiting for some show to come on, they almost
seemed in a daze.

a&e were going to leave and said i could come with them. without realising
it they walked out, i hadn't noticed it because i was looking at this tv and
seemed to lose time.

so i walked out after them and caught up.
i remember that at first i felt left out and was walking behind them but
then i walked to the left of amy on the grass. (the strange details i remember)

we walked past this big old blue house and i told them that this old blind
man lived there. as we walked passed he came out. he asked amy her name &
she told her. he asked my name and i said hollie huthman and he said "oh hi
holly kane" (the name of this girl who lives in norwood). then he asked
emily's name and she told him and he gave her this big hug and seemed all happy.
(then i woke up to my mom telling me i had slept in and had 15 minutes to
get ready or she wouldn't drive me to school.)

it was really strange. there was more to it, like i think there was some
underlying thing that may have been about some kind of disaster that was
going to happen or had happened. but i can't remember what that was. it may
have been about someone putting something in the water. and i remember i had
a conversation with amy that was more than just a few lines but i can't
remember that.

i was really happy when i woke up. it was kind of like i had acomplished
somehting by dreaming about this, like there was some ig dream club and now
i could be accepted. i just prayed i wouldn't forget my dream so that i
could write it down on here.

hollie

"to thine own self be true"
-shakespeare

hey is anyone else rather bothered by a statement made before the power of
two track on 1200 curfews by whoever the girls' interviewer was for modern
rock live? i'm talking about when, right before they start to play, the
announcer says, groping for an intro possibly "well let's see if that
training paid off." (the remark followed when emily was talking about taking
guitar lessions as a kid.) i mean, i'm sure the announcer is a really nice
guy, and i've never listened to modern rock live, so i have no clue as to
what he's like on the air, but how could anyone say about emily "let's see
if that training paid off." for goodness sake, isn't obvious that her guitar
playing had gone far beyond the bounds of 'paying off?!' ok, sorry for
going crazy over that guys, it just really bugs me every time i hear it!
at least we know that judging from the in-studio round of applause a & e got
after playing, they certainly impressed anyone who was listening...

~abigail

****************in the words of emily saliers:******************

hi guys n' gals
i know everyone hates it when someone does this, but has there just
been a lull in posting? i haven't recieved anything since early this am (9/11)
this is a test, i guess, to see if my system is *%&#ed.

sorry to waste bandwidth

have a happy day anyway
jennie

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subject:      re: nigc-vega in philly

on 10 sep 96 at 8:24, s sa hawn e daly wrote:

> hey now ,
> does anybody in or around philly know that on thursday suzanne vega
> is
> giving a free 'concert' at a book store in center city ? i read
> about it in the city paper , but forget exactly where it is . i
> think around 20th and walnut ? can anybody steer me straight , i
> need to relay the message to a die-hard fan in dc . thanks....

suzanne will also be at the tower records in dc on friday the 13th at
6pm.

tori \ musicfan@clark.net

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hi...

i haven't gotten any messages all day...seeing as how that is probably
not right, i think i got screwed up somewhere...could someone send
me a message saying if you got this? thanks!

amy k

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hello,

sorry to waste space, but no mail from the list all day. i got all my =
other email, so i'm thinking...maybe the list is bunged up today? or =
have we been unceremoniously dumped from the list somehow. on a lighter =
note, assuming this gets to the list: a friend of ours in dallas emailed =
us to say she and her husband were going to a mexican restaurant named =
chuy's tonight to hear kris (the funniest opening act ever) mckay! a =
mexican restaurant! go figure. when she opened for ig at the bronco =
bowl, she said she'd never played dallas before. that struck me as odd, =
since she is from austin. then again, if you know texas at all, you will =
agree that austin and dallas are worlds apart (and i don't mean mileage! =
)

here's hoping our message gets out to the list! :)

susan
(and jocelyn, of course.)

"me and jesus, we're of the same heart. the only thing that
keeps us distant is that i keep fucking up." - amy ray

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subject:      kind of dumb question....

ok, in left me a fool.... emily says:

"but when it comes to flesh and blood [or is it bone?], you remind me of
shalot, only made of shadows, even though you're not."

ok, i've heard of the lady of shalot, but i don't remember what the deal
with her and them was... anyone want to fill me in? i get that maybe it
was a fictional city (like brigadoon maybe?) or was the lady of shalot a
very narcussistic woman?

thanks!!!
-mandy

hey friends -

here are two add'l bits regarding the defeat of the employment
non-descrimination act in the senate yesterday. it truly is disturbing to me
that while for many (if not all) of us on this list reading a statement like
the following really sets our stomachs riding, our hearts aching and our
heads spinning, there are so many more out there that read the same statement
and cheer and nod in agreement.

i am submitting the frc press release on enda's defeat, because it is a
pretty
straightforward presentation of the arguments of the opposition. i hope you
find this useful in preparing a specific rebuttal. it might be helpful to use
when writing "letters to the editor" which, as bill stosine has suggested,
would be a good idea to do asap to help educate the public in the wake of
enda's defeat.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
washington, sept. 10 /prnewswire/ -- "america has dodged the bullet," family
research council president gary bauer said of the senate's narrow (49-50)
defeat of the so-called employment non-discrimination act (enda).

"for the u.s. senate to come within one vote of enshrining homosexuality
along with race, sex and ethnicity in our nation's civil rights laws
represents a disconnect from reality.

"many enda supporters equated homosexuality with being black or hispanic. but
minority groups that enjoy special protections do so because of group
histories of political powerlessness, economic deprivation and unchangeable
characteristics. homosexuals do not qualify in any of these categories.

"this was a homosexual jobs bill, pure and simple. it would have forced
employers to keep detailed records of the private sexual preferences of their
employees. how bizarre that the defenders of the constitutional right of
privacy were prepared to annihilate privacy in the service of the homosexual
agenda.

"enda would have led, inexorably, to quotas and set-asides.  all the most
divisive social conflicts in america today would have been inflamed by the
passage of this ill-advised legislation. can nearly half of our senators
really want that?  supporters of  enda shrewdly used paper exemptions for
churches and synagogues to create a facade of deference to the religious
community.  but, make no mistake, this bill would have been used as a
sledgehammer to smash faith-based, for-profit institutions -- like religious
broadcasters, like religious publishing houses and bookstores, like summer
camps for religious youth.

"passage of enda would have signaled the contempt of senate liberals for the
legitimate rights of the states, one-third of which still list sodomy as a
crime. worst of all, enda would have encouraged more young people to enter
an immoral and unhealthy lifestyle. society cannot be indifferent to the
signals -- subtle and not-so-subtle -- that it sends its youth. enda would
have meant that the u.s. government doesn't care whether young people who are
struggling with their sexual identity resolve to live normal, heterosexual
lives or not.

"but this is a day to savor victory.  it is sweet because it was so hard won.
the overwhelming vote of the senate (85-14) in favor of the defense of
marriage act (doma) sends a clear message that this basic institution is
valued and will be fought for.  no one can take seriously the argument that
it is beneath the dignity of the senate to debate the survival of marriage.
failure to pass doma would have exposed the entire federal union -- all the
states, all branches of the federal government -- to the dangers of an
imperial judiciary. with this stunning vote, the supreme court of hawaii has
all the justification it needs to reject gay marriage. let's put this bad
idea to rest now -- and forever.  president clinton should now eat his
spinach and sign doma immediately."

source family research council
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
[ courtesy of rex wockner <rwockner@netcom.com> in soc.motss ]

u.s. senate vote on the employment non-discrimination act
september 10, 1996

vote count:

yea: 49
nay: 50
present: 0
did not vote: 1

alabama
the honorable howell heflin: nay
the honorable richard shelby: nay

alaska
the honorable ted stevens: nay
the honorable frank murkowski: nay

arizona
the honorable john mccain: nay
the honorable jon kyl: nay

arkansas
the honorable dale bumpers: yea
the honorable david pryordid not vote.

california
the honorable dianne feinstein: yea
the honorable barbara boxer: yea

colorado
the honorable hank brown: nay
the honorable ben nighthorse campbell: nay

connecticut
the honorable christopher dodd: yea
the honorable joseph lieberman: yea

delaware
the honorable william roth: nay
the honorable joseph biden: yea

florida
the honorable bob graham: yea
the honorable connie mack: nay

georgia
the honorable sam nunn: nay
the honorable paul coverdell: nay

hawaii
the honorable daniel inouye: yea
the honorable daniel akaka: yea

idaho
the honorable larry craig: nay
the honorable dirk kempthorne: nay

illinois
the honorable paul simon: yea
the honorable carol moseley-braun: yea

indiana
the honorable richard lugar: nay
the honorable daniel coats: nay

iowa
the honorable charles grassley: nay
the honorable tom harkin: yea

kansas
the honorable nancy kassebaum: nay
the honorable sheila frahm: nay

kentucky
the honorable wendell ford: nay
the honorable mitch mcconnell: nay

louisiana
the honorable j. bennett johnston: yea
the honorable john breaux: yea

maine
the honorable william cohen: yea
the honorable olympia snowe: yea

maryland
the honorable paul sarbanes: yea
the honorable barbara mikulski: yea

massachusetts
the honorable edward kennedy: yea
the honorable john kerry: yea

michigan
the honorable carl levin: yea
the honorable spencer abraham: nay

minnesota
the honorable paul wellstone: yea
the honorable rod grams: nay

mississippi
the honorable thad cochran: nay
the honorable trent lott: nay

missouri
the honorable christopher bond: nay
the honorable john ashcroft: nay

montana
the honorable max baucus: yea
the honorable conrad burns: nay

nebraska
the honorable j. james exon: nay
the honorable robert kerrey: yea

nevada
the honorable harry reid: yea
the honorable richard bryan: yea

new hampshire
the honorable robert smith: nay
the honorable judd gregg: nay

new jersey
the honorable bill bradley: yea
the honorable frank lautenberg: yea

new mexico
the honorable pete domenici: nay
the honorable jeff bingaman: yea

new york
the honorable daniel moynihan: yea
the honorable alfonse d'amato: yea

north carolina
the honorable jesse helms: nay
the honorable lauch faircloth: nay

north dakota
the honorable kent conrad: yea
the honorable byron dorgan: yea

ohio
the honorable john glenn: yea
the honorable michael dewine: nay

oklahoma
the honorable don nickles: nay
the honorable james inhofe: nay

oregon
the honorable mark hatfield: yea
the honorable ron wyden: yea

pennsylvania
the honorable arlen specter: yea
the honorable rick santorum: nay

rhode island
the honorable claiborne pell: yea
the honorable john chafee: yea

south carolina
the honorable strom thurmond: nay
the honorable ernest hollings: yea

south dakota
the honorable larry pressler: nay
the honorable thomas daschle: yea

tennessee
the honorable fred thompson: nay
the honorable bill frist: nay

texas
the honorable phil gramm: nay
the honorable kay bailey hutchison: nay

utah
the honorable orrin hatch: nay
the honorable robert bennett: nay

vermont
the honorable patrick leahy: yea
the honorable james jeffords: yea

virginia
the honorable john warner: nay
the honorable charles robb: yea

washington
the honorable slade gorton: nay
the honorable patty murray: yea

west virginia
the honorable robert byrd: nay
the honorable john rockefeller: yea

wisconsin
the honorable herb kohl: yea
the honorable russell feingold: yea

wyoming
the honorable alan simpson: yea
the honorable craig thomas: nay

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hi all you ig troopers,
just wanted to fess up to the fact that i over-reacted upon first hearing
the rumour that amy ray smokes. i have it from a reliable source that she
quit for new years, 93. my crisis of faith is no more and i hope i have
not offended anybody or stepped on too many toes.

peace be with you all -- kim

hey friends in indigo-

sorry for all the political posts of mine in the last couple of days. i just
felt there may be some of you that may be interested and find them threading
the thin line of disturbing and astonishing.

peace, love & understanding,
always,
kate

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subject:      is there anybody out there?

about 24 hours ago i stopped recieving posts from the list...is there =
just a momentary lull in conversation, or is something desperately wrong =
with my computer (again...)? somebody? anybody?

...greta...

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subject:      flamer man

call me crazy, but i bet the real amy ray knows how to spell the word
"disguise."

--------------------------------

fennel productions ltd.

hello, all! =)
      okay, life in atlanta is great! =)  not only do i get to see wendy
bucklew saturday night, but i'm going to see michelle tomorrow
night!!!!!!!!!! =) eeeeeeeeeee!!!! =)  i saw toots and the maytals tonight...
i might try to go see k's choice saturday... they're doing a free show at
caribou coffee in va highlands.  i would love to see 'em... just wanted to
see if anyone else was going to see michelle or wendy or k's choice...
anyone?  anyone?  bueller?  i don't have this month's eddie's calendar, so if
anyone knows of anything important coming up, feel free to let me know... =)
i think that's all.  if anyone wants michelle tapes ("strange bird" and
"dredge"), please try to let me know by tomorrow around 2:30 est so i can get
them. =)  that's all.  peace, love, and aspirin, sarah

     something funky's goin' on with my email, since i haven't gotten any
     mesages from anyone on the list all day today and through the night,
     which is unusual since i usually have about 40 messages waiting for me
     when i get into work?  did i somehow get take off the list or
     something?  help!!!

holly

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subject:      re: say it ain't so..amy ray smokes???
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i heard she used to smoke and quit a few years ago for her voice...

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subject:      6/11/92 show

i have a show dated 6/11/92 of just the two playing, no backups.
i'm not sure where this show was taped, but the last three songs
on here are from austin city limits. a friend made it for me.
anyway, so if you boot collectors are interested email me directly.

to ksa'
debbie

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subject:      re: new orleans show ??
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i didn't even know there was a new orleans show... when was this?
i didn't know the indigo girls cursed. tsk tsk.

on sun, 8 sep 1996, sasha friedman wrote:

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betsy bertiaux wrote:
>
>  on wed, 11 sep 1996 02:32:14 -0600
> greg matthew flamer <gflame@nwu.edu> writes:
>
> shit!!!  you caught me!  i thought flamer would be a good net name to
> desguise myself under but i guess y'all are too damn smart for me.  hey,
> this is amy.
>
> ----
>
> tsk tsk tsk, impersonating an indigo girl, shame on you.  i think there is
> help for that...
>
> betsy

hmmmm..well i have an excellent sense of humor, but if that was not amy
ray (as i now assume it is not), i dont think it was funny at all!!!
shame on you greg. now if they do show up here, how will anyone believe
it?

i am on the styx mailing list, and tommy shaw sometimes shows up. no onw
doubts his authenticity, cause no one feels the need to do what greg
did. the drummer for the hooters (the band) also shows up on their
mailing list sometimes. i know he is for real, cause he lives in my home
town. my point here, is that you are ruining it, greg, for all of us
that hope to hear a real word or two from the girls.

ok, off my soapbox now. sorry (flame suit on)

chris payne owen4@adnc.com

"if it doesn't work, force it...
if it breaks, it needed replacing anyway."

hey all...

just wanted to point out, as the aquarius branch of the no curfews tree,
that i have thus far only received _4_ tapes for this great tcompilation.
what?!? you gasp, astonished.  i hope the rest of the branches are getting
lotsa requests for this cuz sunny did a great job on this project.  lotsa
rarities (and the much-gushed-over down by the river from nff) and good
sound quality, a fun listen...this one finally ousted caroline from my car
tape deck.  so where are you guys??? get em while they're hot!

*************************************************************************
"as your body grows bigger your mind must flower
it's great to learn! coz knowledge is power!"--schoolhouse rock

******gwen keyt******
seattle pacific university
bsn class of 1997
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http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/notime1/home.htm

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i was just wondering if anyone would like to share with me their
interpretation of this incredible song. every time i hear it i love it
more and more, but i get strange interpretations out of it, which i know
is part of the beauty and fun, but still i'd like to hear others.

thank you so much! i am a new subscriber and am so excited.

love,
rebecca:-)

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subject:      smoke and video...

>hi all you ig troopers,
>just wanted to fess up to the fact that i over-reacted upon first
hearing
>the rumour that amy ray smokes. i have it from a reliable source
that she
>quit for new years, 93. my crisis of faith is no more and i hope i
have
>not offended anybody or stepped on too many toes.

dear kim,

i hate to disappoint you, but when ig gave an honor the
earth show in la in '95 (the show where they recorded
"thin line" on 1200 curfews) i heard from someone who
ran errands for ig that day. one of her assignments was to
find a tobacco store because amy rolled her own cigarettes.

i also heard on aol that emily smokes muriel air tip
cigars once a week. sorry!

on a happier note, to the person that may do the video
boot, i might have some footage to contribute. e-mail
me so we can talk about it.

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date:         thu, 12 sep 1996 16:57:59 +0800
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subject:      ig on dwight, mary chapin carpenter

corinne mentioned the girls do back up on dwights 'if there was a way' ,
thanks corinne, you destin me to many repeated listens of that cd now.
i also noticed they do back up on a couple of songs on mary chapin
carpenters cd 'come on come on"
take care,
jenni

in a message dated 96-09-12 03:06:17 edt, some dissapointed soul wrote:

<< okay what's the deal with the flamer? >>

greg flamer is a very naughty boy and a bad doggie indeed ! ;)

do you know what i think he needs ?????????

...thats right ! and then we all shall have a good spanking !!!

(sorry i couldn't resist :)

binkles

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'''''''''''''''
"what......is your favorite color ??????"
this is a fake sig. file.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>call me crazy, but i bet the real amy ray knows how to spell the word
>"disguise."

call me a jerk, but i don't think she does... ;)

yen m tang             "when the beautiful ladies walk right by,
                        i never know what to say."
                        --amy "bust-a-string" ray

        hi y'all...first, what was going on yesterday with the list??  glad
it wasn't just my system crashing again...
        second...for everyone who missed it or is upset about the idea that
amy smokes...let me clear this up for y'all...
        i know, because i was outside smoking a camel light with her, that
she was still smoking on 6 dec 92...however, we were talking about the whole
smoking thing and she said she was trying to quit...and when i saw her next
about a year later...not a cancer stick in sight....yeah!!!
        just wanted everyone ot know...amy does not smoke anymore...and for
all of us who've quit, tried to quit, or are trying...you know how difficult
this can be...       oh and by the way, chris mentioned having heard that
she quit because of her voice...bingo for at least half of the resason...
                peace     jen    (who is now late for work!)

for anyone who is interested, ani di franco will be at the michigan
theater in ann arbor on november 10.  tickets go on sale tomorrow (friday
sept. 13) and are $19.50 and $17.50 plus service charge.  you can order
them by phone from us at (313)763-tkts or through ticketmaster.  any other
questions, let me know.

karra \ kmcleroy@umich.edu \ university of michigan office of major events
*****************************************************************************

i don't know if amy smokes cigarettes or not, but i did see her and emily
tokin' on a big ol' j after a show in st. pete, fl.
i was also at a show in orlando where smoking was permitted in the room that
they were performing in and amy asked everyone not to light up because it
irritated their voices...
just my 2 pennies...
~~robin
ps... i think a tattoo like amy's would be too kewl, but i wouldn't get it on
my forearm... it would be too hard to hind it from my mommy! :)

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at 08:04 pm 9/11/96 -0500, jennie wrote:
>hi guys n' gals
> i know everyone hates it when someone does this, but has there just
>been a lull in posting? i haven't recieved anything since early this am (9/11)
>this is a test, i guess, to see if my system is *%&#ed.
>
>sorry to waste bandwidth

how are you going to know if your system is *%&#ed by sending a message to
the list? you wouldn't receive it if the list were down or if your system
was down. if you want to know if your system is *%&#ed, go ask your sysadmin.

whatever,

:dwayne

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from:         "paul j. sgroi" <paul_j._sgroi@ccmail.c-tec.com>
subject:      dreams.

     the only time i've ever had a & e in one of my dreams, was the night
        before i flew down to marco island, fl to visit my parents, last year.
        i'm always changing planes at atlanta--so, in my dream, i'm drinking
        an espresso on a tall-stool and i see emily walking down the hall
        wearing a minnesota vikings cap, carrying an indigo blue carry-on,
        amy is wearing a husker du t-shirt, and carrying an acoustic in a
        gig-bag--so, i walk-up to them and tell them how much i love their
        music, and how i hear it again for the first time, everytime!
        and emily says "that's sweet!" --- and they walk away, ten feet
        later, emily turns to look at me and i do the same, and we just
        smile!
     actually, now that i think about it--this dream is pretty neat. here
        i am, meeting some famous people, and realizing how "real" some of
        them are. the meeting farrah fawcett dreams i used to high-school
        were obviously much different!!!

...paul

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date:         thu, 12 sep 1996 09:05:44 edt
reply-to:     sharoane <sparke61@maine.maine.edu>
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from:         sharoane <sparke61@maine.maine.edu>
subject:      here we go again:what to do if the list is down

i do this about three times a semester now, it seems, but every time the
list stops coming new folks start panicking and i get flooded with
extra posts about why the list is down...
  it happens often, so relax! if you stop getting the list for more than half
a day, email a fellow lister and ask that person if he/she is getting
the list. if not, then sit tight, it will return. if that person says
yes, then you should try to get help from the list.
  this is my normal request, and i will start begging on my knees again
if no one listens, as every time the list gets stopped up and everyone
sends "what's going on?" posts my disk crashes and i have no email for
a few days-please don't panic, ok? wait out any list delays...it's not
the end of the world if you aren't getting the list for a day or so, and
be prepared for it to flood into your account when it does show up...
just because you arent' getting it doesn't mean that folks aren't
posting...
    thanks for sitting through this yet again...:)
     and welcome all you newbies:)
                           sharon

i had a strange ig dream last night. maybe it is due to all the dyke drama
and trauma in my life.... (jk) but anyways. here goes.

i was at some sort of music festival.  and my friends and i were watching
shawn colvin perform.  she was playing in the mouth of a cave, and we were
standing around outside.  it was really good.  until.... we heard a growling
noise, and all of the sudden a tiger came out of the cave and started
chasing shawn.  that was so scary, but of course none of us tried to help
her, we all ran.  i don't know if the tiger got her or what, because
apparently it was time for the ig concert and i ran over there.  well i was
front row, and the stage was tiny and there was no security, so i was very
close to amy.  she had a penchant for throwing things off the stage to
people, souvenirs i guess.  so i was right by her and she was throwing
things to my area but i never caught one.  finally she just smiled at me and
handed something to me, it was a hat.  it said, "i love emily" on it.  i
laughed.  it was so cute.  then they went on and played....

it was a cool dream other than the part where shawn colvin got mauled by a
tiger.

well... bumberbooters please get your tapes to me! thank you....

corinne

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
and i laughed as i said it, this is my situation
it's not pictures of privilege, it's just self-
preservation.... --amy ray
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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subject:      re: kind of dumb question....

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from:   problem child[smtp:warra5c0@numen.elon.edu]
sent:   wednesday, september 11, 1996 8:13 pm
to:     multiple recipients of list indigo-girls
subject:        kind of dumb question....

ok, in left me a fool.... emily says:

"but when it comes to flesh and blood [or is it bone?], you remind me of
shalot, only made of shadows, even though you're not."

ok, i've heard of the lady of shalot, but i don't remember what the deal
with her and them was... anyone want to fill me in? i get that maybe =
it
was a fictional city (like brigadoon maybe?) or was the lady of shalot =
a
very narcussistic woman?

thanks!!!
-mandy

and down the river's dim expanse
like some bold seer in a trance
seeing all his own mischance--
with a glasy countenance
did she look to camelot.
and in the closing of the day
she looed the chain and down she lay;
the broad strem bore her far away,
the lady of shalott.

yes, it is spelled with two t's.  i thought i had broken the code for a =
minute.  the only shalott that i know of is the one in this poem and i =
was guessing that when emily wrote that line she was saying that the =
person has the characteristics of the lady...but i'm not so sure =
anymore.  there's a green onion called a shalot.  do you think she had =
something culinary in mind?

greta=09
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date:         thu, 12 sep 1996 07:39:04 -0700
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subject:      re: doma (nigc)

i think its more than a little fishy that the white house is kept from
breaking a tie (therefore taking a position) on this issue!  *****
warning*****   this is an election year!!!!!!  i also don't see why clinton
can't stall signing doma until the election is over, then "change his mind"
and send it back.  at least he wouldn't be alienating the lowly 10% that
supported him.  and he's changed his mind before...

betsy

>>as far the scoop on the employment non-discrimination act (enda)
>>the following is the senate roll call vote for hr3396, a measure
>>that would bar federal recognition of same-sex marriages and allow
>>states to take the same action. the final vote for passage was
>>85-14.
>
>i think you forgot to include something info here. enda didn't pass. there
>were 49 yea votes, 50 nays. one senator from arkansas didn't vote because
>his son was having surgery. apparently he would have voted in favor and al
>gore would have broken the tie with a yes vote. (clinton supported the bill
>too)
>
>anway the bill didn't pass and that means i can still get fired from my job
>simply because of who i love. i don't know if i should be happy that at
>least these topics are being discussed and voted on or pissed about the
>crap that's being thrown about by our elected officials. one good thing is
>that ted kennedy (who sponsored enda) vowed to bring this bill to a vote
>next session.
>
>deb
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subject:      in the spirit of doma  (nigc)

i enjoyed christopher m. beckers piece about perot and forbes so much that
i have to add the following.  i apolgoize in advance to any republicans
-i'm not pigeonholing you- , but your loudest constituents, as in any
segment of society, have "brought this on themselves".  i also apologize if
you all have already seen this.  as a new listee, i have no way of knowing.

***********************************************************

born republican
by daniel mendelsohn

the startling discovery that affiliation with the republican party is
genetically determined was announced by scientists in the current
issue of the journal "nurture." reports of the gene that codes for political
conservatism, discovered after a long study of quintuplets in orange
county, calif., has sent shock waves through the medical, political,
and golfing communities.

psychologists and psychoanalysts have long believed that republicans'
unnatural and frequently unconstitutional tendencies result from
unhealthy family life -- a remarkably high percentage of republicans had
authoritative, domineering fathers and emotionally distant mothers who
failed to teach them how to be kind and gentle. but biologists have
long suspected that conservatism is inherited. "after all," said one
author of the "nurture" article, "it's quite common for a republican to have a
brother or a sister who is also a republican."

the finding has been greeted with relief by parents and friends of
republicans, who have tended to blame themselves for the political
views of otherwise lovable people -- their children, friends, and unindicted
co-conspirators.

one mother, a longtime democrat, clasped her hands in ecstasy on
hearing of the findings. "i just knew it was genetic," she said, seated
beside her two sons, both avowed republicans. "i just knew that nobody would
actually choose that life style!" when asked what the republican life style was,
she said, "well, you can just tell from watching tv, like at the
convention in houston: the loud outfits, the flaming xenophobia, the
flamboyant demagogy -- you know."

both sons said they had suspected their republicanism from an early age
but did not confirm it until they were in college, when they became
convinced it wasn't just a phase they were going through.

despite the near-certainty of the medical community of republicanism's
genetic origins, troubling issues remain. the "nurture" article
offered no response to the suggestion that the startlingly high incidence of
republicanism among siblings could result from the fact that they share
not only genes but also psychological and emotional attitudes, being
the products of the same parents and family dynamics.

and it remains to be explained why so many avowed democrats are known
to vote republican occasionally -- or at least to fantasize about doing
so. polls show that three out of five democrats admit to having had a
republican experience. in well-adjusted people, however, this
experimentation rarely outlasts adolescence.

surprisingly, some republican activists hail the findings as a step
forward rather than as an invitation to more conservophobia. they argue
that since republicans didn't "choose" their unwholesome life style any
more than someone "chooses" to have a ski-jump nose, they shouldn't be
denied civil rights to which normal people are entitled.

but for many "real" americans, the discovery opens a window on a
brighter tomorrow. in a few years, gene therapy could eradicate republicanism
altogether.

if conservatism is not the result of sheer orneriness (as many suspect)
but is something republicans can't help and probably don't even like,
there's no reasons why we shouldn't tolerate republicans in the
military or even high elected office -- provided they don't flaunt their
political beliefs.

end

dennis anderson
<dander9829@aol.com>
"there are no halfway measures against bigotry, hatred and anti-
semitism.
it's got to be rejected totally." --abraham foxman, holocaust survivor.
(associated press, recent "...war of words" battle with louis
farrakhan)

        okay, so i really really really loved michelle malone at the folk
festivel, and i have her new experience album, but i'm searching for more info.
i know someone out there can halp me(:  at the festival i think they said
she had a new solo album coming out, does anyone know when???  and does
she tour at all or just play in atlanta a lot???  and am i nuts or did she
play with band de soleil before, and so is she not playing with them anymore?

happy day
jennie
(the eternally confused, who is still searching for a boot of nff '96...)

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date:         thu, 12 sep 1996 13:00:40 -0400
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subject:      smoking (little igc)

the whole smoking discussion reminded me of something funny. i have never
smoked, but i do not mean to offend anyone who does. anyway, this is on a
funny plaque that i found at a magic shop (!):

thank you for not smoking

        cigarette smoking is the residue of your pleasure.  it contaminates
the air, pollutes my hair and clothes, not to mention my lungs.  this takes
place without my consent.
        i have a pleasure, also.  i like a beer now and then.  the residue
of my pleasure is urine.
        would you be annoyed if i stood on a chair and pissed on your head
and your clothes without your consent?

so, what do you think?

on a different note, some friends & i just registered a new a capella group
on penn's campus, & our first attempt will probably be ctf.  this is b/c
almost everyone knows it already & the harmonies are easy.  any other
suggestions for similar songs (songs that are easy to learn & don't require
accompanyment) by the ig or anyone else?  thanks...

andi

"the prize is always worth the rocky ride."-es

so what's the deal. if it wasn't the real amy, i am really hurt. how
could a person on this kind list play around with our feelings? i
don't think it was a nice thing to do at all and i am hurt. if it was
amy, i am very glad she was in on our list conversations and i hope
she had fun. i also hope to hear from them on this list soon and into
the future. kel
--
what you are achieving is not as important as what you are becoming.
the opposite of lonliness is not togetherness, it is intimacy. (r.bach)
if you don't make dust, you eat it.
when you learn to love yourself, you will dissolve all the stones that are
cast... (indigo girls)

well, i haven't posted in forever 'cuz i was gone all summer and i can't
believe that i'm going to reply to something so trivial, but i must not
allow lies to permeate on the list. contrary to popular belief, i've
seen amy smoke fairly recently...it's your judgment as to how recent.
it was at the central michigian univ. show in april of '95 and she walked
out of her hotel to get on the bus and a couple of my friends and i were
there and we talked to her and she stood there and finished her cigarette
while she talked to us. sorry to disappoint anyone...now this doesn't
mean that she stopped smoking since then, but i know she obviously didn't
stop smoking back in '93, which is what people have been claiming.

also, i'm going to extend my plea to the list. since i was gone all
summer, i'm not up on all the places ig will be in the upcoming months...
like the show in minnesota...if anyone could e-mail me with any dates and
places i would appreciate it. thanks!

carol
jone3176@saintmarys.edu.

"be who you are and will be
learn to cherish
that boisterous black angel that
drives you up one day and down another..."
--audre lorde

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date:         thu, 12 sep 1996 10:23:42 -0700
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subject:      re: they will know we are christians by our...what?
x-to:         lauree shampine <shampine@ll.mit.edu>

while i recognize lauree's feelings on the "christian right" and the
modern christian movement and all of the wrongs that they have
perpetrated on society and other cultures (i have been reading a book
that has covered the renaissance popes and all that they participated in
and was appalled).  i think that what this is a prime example of a small
section of a group of people making a lot of noise about what they are
doing.  thus making the rest of society believe that all christians are
conservative right wingers that want to alter our lives and resrict our
rights.  this is not the case.  there are many christians out there that
are happy to be christians and don't feel that they need to "save" the
rest of the world.  i believe that christianity is a personal choice
that i have made and intend to keep it that way.

there are many organized christian groups that continue to support
everyone's rights to "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness". they
just don't make a lot of noise about it, maybe we should start...but i
don't think so.

>----------
>from:  lauree shampine[smtp:shampine@ll.mit.edu]
>sent:  wednesday, september 11, 1996 6:25 am
>to:    multiple recipients of list indigo-girls
>subject:       they will know we are christians by our...what?
>
>>on tue, 10 sep 1996, jody k baker wrote:
>>
>>> and i also noticed that people who said
>>> they hated intolerance and bigotry tended to be  extremely intolerant of
>>> my  "christian values" and other beliefs.
>>
>>so nice to know that i'm not the only one who noticed this.  this
>>doesn't just apply to high school either.  even now when i am around
>>non-christian people, i feel like i have to explain why i have chosen
>>to follow what they term as an "intolorant religion."  some even
>>invalidate anything i say or do simply because i'm a christian and
>>therefore am an "illogical religous fanatic."
>>
>>anna
>
>in my opinion, this is because organized christianity is spending a good
>deal of energy making sure that if you don't believe what they believe that
>you don't have access to nor are you entitled to the "life, liberty, and
>pursuit of happiness" that this country is all about.  nothing new here,
>right?  forced conversions of jews during the middle ages, the persecution
>of galileo (oops, they apologized for that...hundreds of years later), the
>forced conversions of native americans, the criminalization of birth
>control in the early part of this century in the us, the on-going battle
>to deny choice to women, and the on-going struggle to prevent gay people
>from living the "american dream".
>
>as for doma...the people who passed doma for the purpose of sanctifying the
>institution of marriage have, in fact, done the exact opposite.  by
>passing a restriction which effectively says "love and commitment
>between two people are not the requirements for marriage...that the couple
>being a woman and a man is", they have undermined the institution and
>turned it into something no better than a restricted (whites only)
>country club.
>
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date:         thu, 12 sep 1996 10:32:00 -0700
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subject:      is this appropriate ig content?

>all i have to say is that if that's really amy, then the goddess hates me.
>if it wan't amy, then let's talk seriously about the major case of blue balls i
>now have.
>amy come back, talk to us some more.
>shit...
>cari.
>

i found this a bit crass. i don't want to read on the list how much people
want to "fuck" one or the other of the girls. sorry if i sound harsh, but i
feel very strongly about this.

-reggi
*********************
usa women's soccer #1
*********************

>greg flamer said:
>>shit!!!  you caught me!  i thought flamer would be a good net name to
>>desguise myself under but i guess y'all are too damn smart for me.  hey,
>>this is amy.  as long as i am nailed, i might as well share some thoughts
>>with you guys.
>>
>>ps--as long as i am "out" now i think it only fair that emily gets
>>de-closeted as well.  her alias sounds a whole lot like  heb geiser--gotcha
>>emily!!  :)
>
>so, uh, dwayne.  who was that we were sitting across the table from at
>hampton beach?  let me guess - they're not greg or deb, they just play
>them on the list? :)

and we do a damn fine job, don't we? :)

em, no i mean deb...dang, which is it this time??? :)

>>how can you not be a feminist if you love women?
>
>can't i love women, and men, as individuals, without putting any label on
>that love?
>
>what is wrong with just plain old love?
>
>-aras

nothing is wrong with plain old love!  but what is wrong with feminism?  it
is a beautiful thing, something that gives me hope in this crazy
hate-filled world we live in.  if you love men and women, and you want
everyone to have equal opportunities, then in my mind, you are a feminist.
i'm not trying to flame anyone here, more trying to understand where you
are coming from, but feminism has been given a bad name in our general
society.  feminists are not all man-hating lesbians, they are just people
who, to quote from a bumpersticker believe: "feminism in the radical notion
that women are people"  if a you love women, sexually or non-sexually, i
think you could agree with that, and embrace feminism.  just imho

peace, love, parity, and purple!!!
sundara

"women want me, men fear me" --shirt sundara saw after ig show at
bumbershoot, that she thinks would be really funny to wear

"...you have to laugh at yourself, cause you'd cry your eyes out if you
didn't..." emily saliers

"...i have to close my eyes the whole time i was driving, cause i'm so
scared of seeing dead things all the time, i'm getting to be a really bad
case..."
amy ray

each time you love
love as deeply
as if it were
eternal.
only nothing is
forever

from "to each of you" audre lorde

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date:         thu, 12 sep 1996 15:29:49 -0400
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subject:      re: feminism (nigc)

aras

nothing is wrong with love w/o labels...that's not the issue here...the
issue is how can you say you love women and refuse to be a feminist? in your
words, you said, i'm not a feminist, but i love women...that's not love, then.
that's something else (but it has a label, too.)
cari

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subject:      re: 1200 curfews pot intro

i was always bothered by that as well - but it's never been mentioned here.

i know - - like a dj has the right to criticize if emily's classical guitar
training paid off... he sounded kind of pig headed to me.

on a similar note - on watershed (the video), recall the early interviews
that a&e had with that local tv show? you remember - - the one where emily
is wearing those awful purple jeans <g>. there's one part where they're
discussing something, and the host is going thru his papers on his lap -
looking obviously not interest in what a&e are discussing.

that one bothers me too..

peace,
- jen hall
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hey is anyone else rather bothered by a statement made before the power of
two track on 1200 curfews by whoever the girls' interviewer was for modern
rock live? i'm talking about when, right before they start to play, the
announcer says, groping for an intro possibly "well let's see if that
training paid off." (the remark followed when emily was talking about
taking
guitar lessions as a kid.) i mean, i'm sure the announcer is a really nice
guy, and i've never listened to modern rock live, so i have no clue as to
what he's like on the air, but how could anyone say about emily "let's see
if that training paid off." for goodness sake, isn't obvious that her
guitar
playing had gone far beyond the bounds of 'paying off?!' ok, sorry for
going crazy over that guys, it just really bugs me every time i hear it!
at least we know that judging from the in-studio round of applause a & e
got
after playing, they certainly impressed anyone who was listening...

~abigail

****************in the words of emily saliers:******************

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ok, after quietly trying to just read and not respond, i just cannot take it
anymore.  why is it that people who like the indigo girls feel that everyone
who likes them is also a greenpeace supporting liberal who absolutely must
support same sex marriages?  and what in god's name does this have to do with
the indigo girls?  i subscribed to this group because i love the indigo girls
music.  i  enjoy reading what other people have to say about their music,
interpretation of lyrics, concerts, etc.  unfortunately, it seems as though
just because amy and emily are lesbians who support greenpeace, same sex
marriages, etc, that this can be a forum for discussing such issues, and i do
not feel this is appropriate for a group called indigo-girls.

i am male, straight, conservative, ex-navy man (and proud), i do not support
greenpeace, i am not in favor of same sex marriages, i like david letterman
and howard stern, i love playing and watching ice hockey, and i love the
indigo girls and their music. why is that so bad? why is it contradictory
for a person to be straight and conservative and also like the indigo girls?

while i may not agree with most of this group on political issues, i respect
the fact that people have different opinions, and it doesn't mean that i
consider a person who supports same sex marriages and greenpeace as an enemy
not worthy of any social redeeming value. but the point is, the political
posts don't even belong here, and i wish it would stop, because i certainly
did enjoy the other posts about the indigo girls and their terrific music.

-michael

pls email me your snail mail address again.

thanks.

melissa

well,  for all of those who wish they could have amy and emily appear in
their dreams,  don't you wish you were me!!!  hee hee, okay,  this one
isn't as fun as some of my other ones,  but still i find it interesting...

i was with my family,  mom, dad, and the four sibs,  and we were eating
dinner in this room that was like a banquet room in a resturant, and amy
and emily were there with us, sitting across from me,  just like they were
part of the family  (i think this means that a and e have become so much a
part of my life, they are like my family)  and the funny thing was,  i
wasn't even nervous or excited they were there.  it was very normal.  then
things go weird.  there was this ghost in the room,  and she didn't like
amy and emily's music.  go figure.  dumb ghost.  so she kept turning the
radio on to elevator music.  and she kept making the windows bleed,  there
was all this blood dripping down them.  i recall having a dream where my
family is in the room eating before, only a and e weren't there, and
previously, my mom and sister could sense the ghosts presence, and i
couldn't,  but this time, i could.  it was very scary.  i didn't like the
ghost at all.  amy and emily didn't do much, they just kind of ate, and
hung out with us.  but i remember cowering against my mom, cause the ghost
was really scaring me,  it kept swooping down towards me, and then i woke
up. i thought for a while that maybe the ghost was a reference to the song,
but because this is a reocurring dream,  i don't think so.  what do you
think?

peace, love, parity, and purple!!!
sundara

"women want me, men fear me" --shirt sundara saw after ig show at
bumbershoot, that she thinks would be really funny to wear

"...you have to laugh at yourself, cause you'd cry your eyes out if you
didn't..." emily saliers

"...i have to close my eyes the whole time i was driving, cause i'm so
scared of seeing dead things all the time, i'm getting to be a really bad
case..."
amy ray

each time you love
love as deeply
as if it were
eternal.
only nothing is
forever

from "to each of you" audre lorde

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<< at the festival i think they said
she had a new solo album coming out, does anyone know when??? >>

actually, the cd that's coming out isn't solo. it will be a band de =
soleil release and called "bird on fire." their homepage =
(http://www.hidwater.com/bds/bdshome.html) reports that it will be out =
in october but it keeps getting pushed back so i'm not too optimistic.

kris

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i really do mean the freddy jones band. freddy! thanks!

hello to all of you on the indigo girl's list! i am grateful to amy and
emily for this opportunity to reach you. they rocked my world at
bumbershoot...great new material! definately an inspiration, as always.
thankyou for your inquiries on tour and product availabilty, and positive
words and support...it can get completely isolated out here on the road, and
hearing from you all over the world is such a bust...you people are funny
and it keeps me rolling (luckily, all four wheels haven't left the ground
since june)
this west coast tour has been a real kick, starting in seattle. i absolutely
love that city...thanks to whomever ordered the weather... bumbershoot has
graced me with 2 wonderful years in a row of fun and i am grateful to one
reel and reenie duff...it was an honor, bar none.
i have to fight the urge to go down to pike market and street sing...not
that i'm above it, it's hard on the voice and when on the road, with shows
scheduled and travel intense, it's not a good idea. damn.i hate being so
responsible ;-)i have fond memories of street-singing...it's so raw and
exposed. speaking of raw, i stayed with my buddy, eljefe, and lady jayne...
much love to those two.
i hung out deep in a park one morning with some homeless kids camping out
under an overpass, and got a close look at the
street/grunge/hopelessness/anger that these kids feel. i was one of these
kids hitching up and down the coast in '70-78...i learned to play guitar
from (mostly) guys that i met, and i turned it into something positive.
under that overpass, we laughed at circumstance, and i listened to them talk
of their home lives, or the lack thereof.an older guy admtted he'd been a
thief and in jail, and a very young guy said it had been a good week...he's
gotten laid, and the girl gave him the electric guitar and pignose amp that
we were sharing. as i was leaving, the youngest asked if i could spare some
change. ah life....
portland was too quick to get a real reading of...thanks to borders and
books for supporting the traveling musician.
ah,eugene!!! i like eugene! thanks to mk and kathy for their hospitality...i
felt very much loved and at home. look out for mk's cd...the girl can
sing.thanks to klcc(dj:frank goser), krvm(dj:mike myers), and doug tucker's
show on the radio station at the u.of o...john henry's was fun!
you'll have to get a newsletter to get the poop on more about eugene and the
folks there or the shows in la and in santa cruz...if i spill the beans
here, there won't be anything left to write (fat chance)

alot of you (thankfully) are asking about the availabiltity of my previous
albums...well...it's real hard to find the third cd:live at eddie's attic,
and if you can find it, please let me know...they have gone out into the
world, and i haven't seen them in a while...tell them to phone home. we will
be pressing them next year in a limited edition to have at shows.the
previous two('88:line of vision w/bonnie raitt and '91: dancing with danger)
won't be pressed in their entirety, but excerpts will be taken and released
in a limited edition in the next year.
a new album is in the works for spring of '97...a studio effort with all
original tunes, and some surprises...that's about all i can say on that...i
know you understand...don't you?

thanks for this moment with you.

may peace and hope hold you bouyant.

caroline aiken

(caroline@flylive.com)

hey all...
at 11:13 pm 9/11/96 -0400, mandy wrote:
>ok, in left me a fool....  emily says:
>
>"but when it comes to flesh and blood [or is it bone?], you remind me of
>shalot, only made of shadows, even though you're not."
>
>ok, i've heard of the lady of shalot, but i don't remember what the deal
>with her and them was...  anyone want to fill me in?  i get that maybe it
>was a fictional city (like brigadoon maybe?)  or was the lady of shalot a
>very narcussistic woman?

my dad ( who's ninety now... active in his old age, since i'm *very*
young... be quiet trace! ) used to recite this poem to me all the time when
i was a kid ( the lady of shalot ). i always had the impression that shalot
was a mythical place.... beautiful and out of reach to mere humans.... like
a shadow or a reflection... a mirage...
that's what i've always taken emily to mean with these words. still give me
goose bumps. i *love* this song:)
peace all, kim ( goddess of stuff ) and heather ( who is always looking on ):-)
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
<just kim>rcn@prcn.org
"pain from pearls-hey little girl-
how much have you grown?"
---------------amy ray------------------
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>

>while i recognize lauree's feelings on the "christian right" and the
>modern christian movement and all of the wrongs that they have
>perpetrated on society and other cultures (i have been reading a book
>that has covered the renaissance popes and all that they participated in
>and was appalled).  i think that what this is a prime example of a small
>section of a group of people making a lot of noise about what they are
>doing.  thus making the rest of society believe that all christians are
>conservative right wingers that want to alter our lives and resrict our
>rights.  this is not the case.  there are many christians out there that
>are happy to be christians and don't feel that they need to "save" the
>rest of the world.  i believe that christianity is a personal choice
>that i have made and intend to keep it that way.

they may be a "small group of people" (i personally have no info on
percentages or numbers), but they are surely doing much more than
making noise-- they are making legislation. legislation that affects the lives
of every gay and lesbian american. we're not talking about a verbal debate
here-- we're talking about gay americans fighting for their very existence. and it
just so happens that the people we are forced to fight agains identify
themselves as christians, "moral majority", "religious right", etc.

>there are many organized christian groups that continue to support
>everyone's rights to "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness". they
>just don't make a lot of noise about it, maybe we should start...but i
>don't think so.

well, i for one, do think so. if you don't speak up to counter what
the right-wing extremist zealots are doing, then you shouldn't complain
when people generalize based on the "noisy few". i'm both gay and
christian, and i feel that we must have the participation of the reasonable
and tolerant straight christians to stop what is going on. we also need
gay christians to come out and show that being gay and christian are
not mutually exclusive. if you see what's going on around you and don't
speak up to help right the wrong, then, in my mind, you are expressing
agreement and are equally responsible.

just my $1.00 worth (inflation don't you know)

joann

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not an aquarius, but i play one on the list! i sent you a tape 9/9 after
you told me she'd offered it. let me know if you don't get it.

yours,
chris

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--- you wrote:
my point here, is that you are ruining it, greg, for all of us
that hope to hear a real word or two from the girls.

ok, off my soapbox now. sorry (flame suit on)

chris payne owen4@adnc.com
--- end of quoted material ---

sorry, me again jumping to defend fellow listers like nice greg

chill out people! it was a joke! get over it! relax!!!!!!!!!!!

(ahem)

susan

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--- you wrote:

call me crazy, but i bet the real amy ray knows how to spell the word
"disguise."

--- end of quoted material ---
not nice laurie. not nice at all. don't poke fun....everyone makes typos and
misspells words!!!!

susan

> while i may not agree with most of this group on political issues, i respect
> the fact that people have different opinions, and it doesn't mean that i
> consider a person who supports same sex marriages and greenpeace as an enemy
> not worthy of any social redeeming value. but the point is, the political
> posts don't even belong here, and i wish it would stop, because i certainly
> did enjoy the other posts about the indigo girls and their terrific music.
>
> -michael
>

i have to disagree.  the indigo girls are a very political band and there music
is very political.  "this train revised", "bury my heart at wounded knee", "let
it be me", "hammer and a nail"; all of these are directly political songs, not
to mention the fact that most, if not all, of their songs have political
undertones. like "chiapas bound" and "shame on you".  any honest and indepth
discussion of the indigo girls and their music must neccessarily not only have
political currents, but will, by their very essience, be political discussion.

the indigo girls are really not singing primarily to the people on this, that
would be preaching to the choir. they are singing to stright white consevative
males of age, like myself, whose opinions, if they are changed, can make a
difference.

i know i shouldn't add this next part. but, i'm very upset about the same sex
marraige issue, and ashamed for the us and for texas. it seems to me to be an
obvious messure taken out of blind prejudice and religious superstition (yes i
am a christian). please view this as food for thought. it is not meant as a
personal assult. i don't think that it is any more inconsistant for someone
who is against same sex marriages to listen to the indigo girls simply because
their music is beutiful than it is for himler to listen to benny goodman because
he loves swing.

sorry for the flame, but if your not going to take a stand on this, then what
are you going to stand up for.

trant

>while i may not agree with most of this group on political issues, i respect
>the fact that people have different opinions, and it doesn't mean that i
>consider a person who supports same sex marriages and greenpeace as an enemy
>not worthy of any social redeeming value. but the point is, the political
>posts don't even belong here, and i wish it would stop, because i certainly
>did enjoy the other posts about the indigo girls and their terrific music.

michael asks in a most plaintive way why political posts mar the landscape
of this wonder list. please allow me to quote:

i will walk down the street
i will walk down the street
i will walk down the street and i will hold my head high.

(my life is part of the global life)

i will walk down the street and i will say hello to everybody
and i will hold my head high.
i will say hello to everyone

(if the world is night, shine my life like a light)

i will not be ashamed
i will fall down and i will get back up again
i will not be ashamed

(nobody gets a lifetime rehearsal, as specks of dust we're universal)

i will not be complacent
i will not be complacent
i will not be complacent

(by grace my sight grows stronger)

and we will not be complacent
and we will not be complacent
and we will not be ashamed

(my place is of the sun)

and we will be alive
and we will be happy
and we will walk down the street
and we will smile and we won't worry about it

(each life has its place)

we will not be racist
we will not be sexist
we will not be homophobic
we will not hate

(the evil ego and the vice of pride
is there ever anything else that makes us take our different sides?)

we will love we will love we will love we will love
we will love the ones we hate
we will love the ones we hate

...it's all in our hands
got to learn to respect what we don't understand
we are fortunate ones, fortunate ones i swear...

***end of quoted material***

does that answer your question michael?

deb

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subject:      emily on ferron's latest cd

hey y'all, i hadn't seen this posted here yet, and my deepest apologies if
i'm being redundant cause i happened to miss it, but emily appears on a
number of songs on ferron's new cd "still riot". i think all the songs she
sings in though, she's part of a backup chorus, so you really can't
distinguish her voice. but i thought i'd mention it just for you _truly_
fanatical types who must own every single cd that a&e even breathe on or are
thanked on or are friends of friends of the cousin of the producer :)
(certainly wouldn't find evidence of such fanaticism in my cd collection, oh
no, never :)

anyone heard this cd, btw?  i'd like to know some other opinions.  really
too pop-y for my taste, i just kept thinking "what's up with this?  who is
this?" but maybe i didn't listen good enough.  oh well......

cylinda                     "it's hard to give, it's hard to get
                      it's hard to live, still i think it's the best bet
                         ....everybody needs a little forgiveness"
                                             - patty griffin

well i'm not sure about a new solo album, but i know her and band de soleil
have an album coming out in october. she told me so : )

peace sasha

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subject:      help re: boots, please

hey folks, i need a little help....i've been on and off the list for
the past few weeks and i've missed out on the instructions for getting
the no curfews and bumbershoot boots. could some kind soul repost them
to the list or send them to me?

many thanks,
steve

"does weary mean wiser?"--dar williams

wasn't the archbishop romero a christian ?
i believe he was assasinated by a right wing salvadoran
death squad for advocating for the rights of peasants.

i believe dr. king was a christian also......

yes i understand that being loud about good deeds goes against
the philosophy, those loud ones who are indeed making legislation
betray themselves as being out of sinc with the teachings of jesus.....
i also understand joann's comment about working for justice and being
visible as christians.....it's a tough one indeed.

claire
(hmmmm..i'm not an expert in theology but am very interested in it....
i like 'luke"....don't care for the version that has a lot of 'gnashing of
teeth'.
and i don't have much use for paul......i think the message gets muddied
after the crucifixion....starting with the woman who gets struck dead by
the big guy because she didn't want to give all of her money to the
church......am reading pagel's "the gnostic gospels" veeery
interesting......
wading through the text written by dead guys trying to separate the
author's opinions from divine inspiration....i know some of you are very
knowledgable....would love to learn more !
please write me with your thoughts !)

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at 05:02 pm 9/12/96 -0500, cylinda wrote:
>hey y'all, i hadn't seen this posted here yet, and my deepest apologies if
>i'm being redundant cause i happened to miss it, but emily appears on a
>number of songs on ferron's new cd "still riot". i think all the songs she
>sings in though, she's part of a backup chorus, so you really can't
>distinguish her voice.

actually, you can distinguish her voice sometimes on the chorus songs, if
you listen closely. also, she does the 'support vocal' on primitive future,
so you can hear her very clearly on that one.

>anyone heard this cd, btw?  i'd like to know some other opinions.  really
>too pop-y for my taste, i just kept thinking "what's up with this?  who is
>this?" but maybe i didn't listen good enough.  oh well......

so far i can't say i like it as much as driver or phantom center. i have
only listened to it a few times, though, and i keep getting interrupted. it
will take a few more listens before i really decide.

whatever,

:dwayne

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subject:      lady of shallot/ left me a fool

hey all,

shallot (sorry if it's spelled wrong - i dont' remember...) is indeed a
mythical place, a part of most versions of the king arthur legend.  er, i
don't know if anyone wants the whole story, so i'll do the short, short
version:  elaine (the lady of shallot or escalot depending on whose
legend you're reading) fell madly in love with lancelot, who we all know
was only interested in his darling gwen...  when she couldn't have him as
husband, she got really pissed off and put herself in a barge down the
river to camelot (? - or wherever arthur's court was at the time...) and
died on the way there, holding a note explaining that she died of love
unable to be fulfilled...

there's a whole lot more to the story but it would waste so much
space...

that story is what i think of when i hear "left me a fool" - but i have
no idea if that's what it is actually about! anybody know?

later y'all,
debbie
alexand6@jeflin.tju.edu

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at 07:15 am 9/12/96 gmt, laurie wrote:
>call me crazy, but i bet the real amy ray knows how to spell the word
>"disguise."

call me crazy, but i bet the real greg flamer knows how to spell the word
"disguise", too.

:dwayne

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subject:      absolutely nigc, just wanted to say hi, i'm back!

hi all!

wow, it's great to be back!  i missed you all a lot more than i realized.
a few weeks ago my hard drive crashed, so i have been unable to check my
mail on my local b-board.  so i had to wait for classes to start so i
could access the school's computer system.  hopefully, i'll be able to
afford a new drive before the end of the semester when my account will
get yanked.
so i justed subsribed to the list from my school account today.  i can't
tell you how much it made my day to log on and see that i had mail
waiting from you all.  i'm so excited and happy!
oh, yeah!  i can get on the web now!  so send me neat, interesting web
sites to visit.  and let me know if anything really interesting has
happened in the last 3 weeks or so.
well, i'm going to go surfing now and see what i can see.  do i need a
life preserver for this?  does it matter that i can't swim?  wish me luck!

tuesday's child

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              sep 12, 96 7:45 am

> i know - - like a dj has the right to criticize if emily's classical guitar
> training paid off... he sounded kind of pig headed to me.

okay. i wasn't going to say anything when everybody thought that greg's
flippant remark about being amy in disguise was a serious attempt to fool
us (get real, people. amy would *never* have such a lame signature file <gd&r>)
but with this, i am forced to conclude that there is a serious epidemic of irony
deficiency rampant on this forum.

i was hoping i wouldn't have to ask this, but -- have y'all been forgetting to
take your irony supplements? :-)

kirsten

(and if you still think that "let's see if that training paid off" remark was
meant as a serious slam against emily, look up the word "segue" in the
dictionary and you will be enlightened.)

well greg, i flamed you in public, and i will apologize in public. my
response to you should have been through private email. i have no doubt
(as your friends have told me) that you are a nice guy.

it's just that i would really like to believe it, if one of the girls
were to post here someday. posts like that make it harder to believe, if
they do show up.

i wont apologize for my opinion (because that still stands), but i
should never have made that post to the list, while i was still angry.

chris payne owen4@adnc.com
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subject:      re: 1200 curfews pot intro

at 07:35 pm 9/12/96 edt, kirsten chevalier <kirsten@spike.wellesley.edu> wrote:
>but with this, i am forced to conclude that there is a serious epidemic of
irony
>deficiency rampant on this forum.
>
>i was hoping i wouldn't have to ask this, but -- have y'all been forgetting to
>take your irony supplements? :-)
>
>kirsten
>
>(and if you still think that "let's see if that training paid off" remark was
>meant as a serious slam against emily, look up the word "segue" in the
>dictionary and you will be enlightened.)

hear! hear!  i am glad to see someone defend the poor modern rock live dude.
i *really* don't think he is in the habit of insulting his guests.  i think
segue is definitely the right word here.  tbanks, kirsten!

:russell carter

ooops!!! i mean...

:dwayne

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date:         thu, 12 sep 1996 20:07:32 -0400
reply-to:     "amy \"iggy\" vorpagel" <99vorpag@lab.cc.wmich.edu>
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subject:      a pleasant surprise...

hi y'all. just thought i'd share a little happiness that i had today. as i
was reading the western herald (western michigan univ's paper) and
listening to some ig on my headset, i turned the page to the weekend scene
section and found a big picture of amy and emily to advertise to readers
the short blurb on the honor cd. :) :) :)
i've never seen the picture before, it looks like it's from a recent
concert. all i can make out behind them is "uemez puebl... civic center"
looks like it's before a concert because it is daylight out and they have
guitars in cases over their shoulders and in front of them (respectively).
t and jeans. not too great a picture but a pleasant surprise none the
less.

wishing happy indigo days and peace
amy

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date:         thu, 12 sep 1996 20:08:53 edt
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subject:      greg flamer's indigo fake post

you know, i was just sitting here thinking while i scrolled through
post after post in response to greg's amy impersonation (i was a part
of the response, too.) that we may have foiled what he intended to
do.  then again, maybe not.  if his intention was to give us a
laugh, it worked.  if his intention was to turn our
conversation away from trivial things, then it didn't work 'cause now
were talking about his fake post.  who knows?  maybe it really was amy, just
pretending to be greg.... ;)

anna

i said, "darkness into darkness on the carraige of my journeys."
(what anna discovered herself singing one day while listening to rop.)

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subject:      re: they will know we are christians by our...what?
x-to:         shampine@ll.mit.edu

on wed, 11 sep 1996, lauree shampine wrote:

> in my opinion, this is because organized christianity is spending a good
> deal of energy making sure that if you don't believe what they believe that
> you don't have access to nor are you entitled to the "life, liberty, and
> pursuit of happiness" that this country is all about.

the key word here is "organized."  imho, christianity was never meant
to have been organized, but for the sake of those who feel this need,
it has been, much to it's loss.  my faith, although i have grown up
in a mainline church, comes from my personal relationship with
christ, and my readings of the bible.  it hurts me when people assume
that because of what has been done wrong in the name of christianity,
that i am a bad person.  it hurts me even more when people hide
under the cloak of christianity to follow their own agendas (such as
what has happened with doma).  why is it that now the government
feels it must define what marraige is?  this didn't matter to them
for the last 220 years?  why is it now that the government decides to
follow the ways of the "christian" radical conservatives?  oh, and
another thing, the christian coalition will never, ever be what i
consider christian.  no true follower of christ would have an agenda
such as their's.

sorry to have bothered you with my thoughts...

anna

"the one who is making a path without instruments hardly notices
when the path behind is getting crooked unless a friend tells him."
-akan proverb in paraphrased form

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date:         thu, 12 sep 1996 17:21:12 -0700
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subject:      re: 1200 curfews pot intro
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umm...i think your a bit neurotic. i don't think he meant it in a
negative way. in fact, i don't see how you could see that comment in a
negative aspect. don't worry though. i still love you.
love,
ben

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date:         thu, 12 sep 1996 20:14:18 edt
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subject:      re: political posts-why here?
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              at sep 12, 96 3:41 pm

> i am male, straight, conservative, ex-navy man (and proud), i do not support
> greenpeace, i am not in favor of same sex marriages, i like david letterman
> and howard stern, i love playing and watching ice hockey, and i love the
> indigo girls and their music. why is that so bad? why is it contradictory
> for a person to be straight and conservative and also like the indigo girls?
>
>
> while i may not agree with most of this group on political issues, i respect
> the fact that people have different opinions, and it doesn't mean that i
> consider a person who supports same sex marriages and greenpeace as an enemy
> not worthy of any social redeeming value. but the point is, the political
> did enjoy the other posts about the indigo girls and their terrific music.

i am female, undecided, loony-liberal, pacifist, i am an environmental
extremist, i am in favor of same-sex marriages, i think howard stern should be
poked with a stick, i hate competitive sports, and, well...i think you can guess
the last one. however, i agree with you, michael, on one thing: these off-topic
posts have been going on long enough. although i am totally sympathetic to y'all
off-topic discussers, this list is about the indigo girls and *prolonged*
discussions of anything else (except for the great grape nut debate of 1996,
of course ;-)) are inappropriate for it.

please, continue the discussion, but take it to private e-mail. the net.gods
will smile upon you for it. :-)

kirsten

i was so glad to hear a wonderful new soc from philly 8-15-96,
(thanks, deanna! =) but i can't tell what amy is saying. does
anyone know/is anyone willing to transcribe it for me? i would
be eternally grateful and would be your slave forever. (already
regretting that last part...=)

peace, love, and fire,
ponygirl

ok so i am in the memorial union in school and i see that some kid has
and "eddies attic" t-shirt. i went up to him and said " are you either an
ig or shawn mullins fan by any chance." then he explained to me that
shawn mullins along with matthew kahler were on his last cd.
has anyone heard of this guy, adam dorfman. he's not lying because he
gave me one of his cd's and sure enough they are both on it. are there
any atlantians on the list who know who is this guy is. he also gave me
the low down on a&e but that's confedential information(heh heh heh).
ben
"i've seen canyons and i've seen caverns. i've seen border roadside
taverns. but i am held captive by the big blue sky above me."
-shawn mullins

hey cylinda, do you own any other ferron cd? i'm just wondering how you
would compare this new one to say "phanton center" (which i love). i
can't afford to buy it for another month anyway, just curious :)

kristina

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well it's nice to know i'm still loved, that feels good! :)
as for my being neurotic, well, i could've told you that myself! yes i'm
openly neurotic, and paranoid too!:) always quick to step to emily's defense
though. i'm sure i misinterpreted the dj's comment, and sorry if i've
annoyed you all. hey, does being called neurotic count as flamage?

~abigail (hoping she's finally been flamed somewhat!)

at 05:21 pm 9/12/96 -0700, you wrote:
>umm...i think your a bit neurotic. i don't think he meant it in a
>negative way. in fact, i don't see how you could see that comment in a
>negative aspect. don't worry though. i still love you.
>love,
>ben
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date:         thu, 12 sep 1996 21:12:12 -0400
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in a message dated 96-09-12 17:47:44 edt,
jennifer=hall%ts=deskcall%cs=hou@bangate.compaq.com (jennifer hall) writes:

>on a similar note - on watershed (the video), recall the early interviews
>that a&e had with that local tv show? you remember - - the one where emily
>is wearing those awful purple jeans <g>. there's one part where they're
>discussing something, and the host is going thru his papers on his lap -
>looking obviously not interest in what a&e are discussing.
>
>that one bothers me too..
>
>peace,
> - jen hall

i thought that was really funny. i mean, here's amy, talking about the first
song they ever performed, and this guy is lost in what he's going to ask them
next. he's searching for the next question.

-margot

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subject:      re: the real a&e?
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excerpts from mail: 12-sep-96 the real a&e? by kellie deis@kent.edu
> if it wasn't the real amy, i am really hurt. how
> could a person on this kind list play around with our feelings? i
> don't think it was a nice thing to do at all and i am hurt.

jesus, why can't people just take a joke? hurt? why would you be hurt?
i don't know, but, i think almost everyone on this list burst out
laughing when they read that post by greg!!! i did!!!!

good going greg! i liked it!

renee

* ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ *

"the same sun that warms your heart    "the beautiful ladies walk right by
will suck the good earth dry..."       ya know i never know what to say!"
       "get out the map"                       "shame on you"
        by emily saliers                        by amy ray

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date:         thu, 12 sep 1996 18:24:57 -0700
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subject:      re: christianity (nigc)
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>...it just so happens that the people we are forced to fight against
>identify themselves as christians...

let's all keep in mind that just because the people one fights against
call themselves christian doesn't mean that one must fight against all
people who call themselves christian. making generalizations and
condemning all based on the actions of some are intolerable behaviors
no matter what side you're on.

steve

"we'll make it fine if the weather holds but if the weather holds then
we'll have missed the point."--es

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>binky
>(jesus was a radical leftist liberal, that's what i think anyway...)
i agree.. but god (esp old testament one) is archetypal conservative.
so what about the holy ghost??? 8-0

is the trinity the first recorded case of mpd(multiple personality
disorder)???;-)

heard on psychiatrist's answering machine..
if you are depressed press 1
if you have mpd press 2,3,4,or 5...

back to my cave
marilyn

i am a problem child- i've been wild all my days...(a.ray)

..still crazy after all these years.. (p. simon)

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date:         thu, 12 sep 1996 21:38:32 -0400
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subject:      re: college & real life - the education thread got me too...
x-to:         deborah alexander/jmc2000 <alexand6@jeflin.tju.edu>

delurking...to waste more bandwidth
re deb's comment
>whether it's my med school or the entire medical profession, but they
>seem to attract rather conservative people here. not only conservative
>in the political sense, but more in the social kind of sense.
hmmm..maybe it's your med school. i lived through the experience and
enjoyed it and still am a student of the human condition. of course i'm
talking ancient history here, but i would say the majority of of my
classmates were pretty liberal, and tolerant, though i went to med school
in canada, so my experience with med school in the us is limited to what
i've observed from a different perspective. my observations over more
than 20 years in the us lead me to believe that 1) us society is becoming
more conservative 2) college students still tend to be more liberal than
the general population but..3) us med students reflect the values of the
general population more than the student population. (we're talking hard
working, major-goal directed here...and they definitely don't have as
much fun as i had in my student days. but then the us worker is second
only to japan in the number of hours worked per year, so i guess that's
the norm for this society). it was cultural shock (and disappointment)
for me (schooled in a more "british" tradition) to find out how hard it
was to get my fellow residents to party. my motto was (is) work hard,
play hard, just don't try to do them at the same time. theirs was work
hard and party in moderation, politely , if at all.
anyway deb, don't let them off easily, and keep calling them on it.part
of *their* education. i have met a few bigoted assholes (small-minds,
large egos) in the medical profession, but fortunately they are still a
minority.if you don't have tolerance and empathy for your fellow humans
you're a lousy doctor, no matter how skilled. i'll be the first to admit
however that black humor( which can appear to represent callousness..but
doesn't necessarily) is an important survival skill. the more stressful
the environment the more you'll need a sense of humor (and if it is
slightly perverted all the better);=)
so much for my words of ?wisdom. obviously i vote in favor of education
(from the latin duce..to lead , ie to lead out.) but i think we should
have more apprenticeships or programs that high school grads can enter if
they are not ready for college, learn a skill/trade and then when they
have a better idea of what rings their bell, they can go back and
appreciate it more.
who recalls one professor ( a very good one) muttering something about
"throwing fake pearls before genuine swine"

enuff..
back to lurkdom
marilyn

i am a problem child- i've been wild all my days...(a.ray)

..still crazy after all these years.. (p. simon)

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baaaaaad zoot.....

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on thu, 12 sep 1996 mmedido@aol.com wrote:

> in a message dated 96-09-12 03:06:17 edt, some dissapointed soul wrote:
>
> << okay what's the deal with the flamer? >>
>
> greg flamer is a very naughty boy and a bad doggie indeed ! ;)
>
> do you know what i think he needs ?????????
>
> ...thats right ! and then we all shall have a good spanking !!!
>
> (sorry i couldn't resist :)
>
> binkles
>
> ''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''
> '''''''''''''''
> "what......is your favorite color ??????"
> this is a fake sig. file.
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subject:      indigo girls fan survey - come'n'get it

hey ig folks,

the indigo girls fan survey version iii is now available to be
filled out - the url is http://www.fl.net.au/~sherlyn/igsurvey.
if you don't have www access or your browser doesn't support
forms, you can mail me (sherlyn@fl.net.au) and i'll send you
the email version.

i won't be able to start tallying up the results for a few days
because my fnarkin' computer died in a major way last night, but
i expect that after i've thrown it off our 3rd-floor balcony a
few times (look out cats :), it'll lose its hellaciousness and start
working again... or else...

could someone please pass the message on the newsgroup? thanks.

best to all,
sherlyn

ps - yen - susan stuff went in the mail yesterday.  i've had it ready
        to post for a week!  shoulda mailed me sooner ;)... btw, you
        and lorinda better not throw the survey results again, or i'll
        send greg flamer round to imitate amy ray at you...
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- sherlyn koo - sherlyn@fl.net.au -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
"i had dreams like distant thunder, i had hope like a prayer unheard.
now this is nothing less than perfect, in a less than perfect world..."
                                        - patty larkin
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okay i am reposting this...sorry other branches, if you were way to busy
already ! (but i'm guessing by the number of responses i got that you
weren't.....) look for your proper astrological sign and send email to
the person on that sign, and they will tell you where to send your 90 min
tape and padded sase.

hey there y'all,

okay, the tape tree should now be in place to get your copy of "no
curfews"
my personal bootleg compilation tape. to get a copy of the tape simply
write to your branch (sign) and get their mailing address. once you have
that you need to send them a blank 90 min tape, a stamped and return
addressed envelope so they can mail it back to you easily , and a note
reminding them that your blank is for a copy of no curfews (very
important!
some branches are on more than one tree--so they need to know exactly what
you want).
what's on this tape? some of my favorite live versions:

side a
ballad of squeaky fromme (6/10/90 wfrg)
southland in the sprintime (unknown show)
prince of darkness (3/19/88 carrboro,nc)
everybody's waiting... (5/17/88 wrek)
chickenman (8/9/90 the roxy-atlanta)
romeo and juliet (4/27/91 university of rochester)
the woman in me (8/9/90 the roxy-atlanta)
the water is wide (club r&r)
i wanna be your lover (unknown show)
love's recovery (6/21/91 red rocks)

side b
no way to treat a friend (4/18/91 blacksburg, va)
weakness in me (unknown show)
holy city (golfing buddy bootleg)
hey jesus (11/13/87 chapel hill, nc)
pushin' the needle too far (shades of indigo)
play it again, sam (4/22/90 washington, dc)
fugitive (iwtoc)
down by the river (nff '95)
reunion (7/1/95 radio session 1)
closer to fine (7/1/95 radio session 1)

the people below are branches of the tape tree. most of them have
already
gotten their tape to me and i have dubbed them and sent them back already.
if anyone has any questions or problems you can write to me at
sun@swcp.com

aries--susan
sguardino@vnet.ibm.com

taurus--kellie
kdeis@kent.edu

gemini--cynthia
crecca@admin.njit.edu

cancer--melissa
mkennell@baldwinw.edu

leo--leah
mary.l.anderson-8@tc.umn.edu

virgo--karra
kmcleroy@umich.edu

capricorn--sundara
smurphy@ups.edu

libra--bon (and canada)
bonster@alaska.net

scorpio--kevin
kevinc@adainc.com

sagittarius--melissa
hdtx97a@prodigy.com

aquarius--gwen
gkeyt@paul.spu.edu

pisces--kewl kay
stu_kaswenne@jmu.edu

for people in the uk
juliet
j.l.a.long@reading.ac.uk

and for people in asia/australia
anna
ahidalgo@fc.emc.com.ph

for those in canada
bon
bonster@alaska.net

     i have already started on volume 2 of no curfews, so if any of you
have personal live favorites drop me a line and let me know what they are
(date and place of show).  i am also starting on a video compilation.
this
is gonna take a few  months but it will be well worth it.
i leave tomorrow for an ig road trip to las cruces, santa fe and mesa, az
so i wont be checkin' my mail until wednesday if there are any problems.
all skate.  now reverse.       :)

<there you have it, straight from sunny...>
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i have no idea where hope came from in the previous subject. i meant honor ;)
hope, honor, horn, horticulture. same difference. :)

kristina

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ok, i just got back from the cd store and put in the honor disc 2 and am
guilty of skipping right to track 8. this is my 4th straight listen of
'blood quantum' and i love it. i've heard them do it in concert and then
over and over again on the boots and i was a bit surprised at first listen
as to how "soft" this version sounds. in concert amy screams out the
"genociiiiide" and here her voice sounds more breath-y. but that's cool, i
now like both ways of doing it. maybe this is really biased (ok, it *is*
biased) but if i had never heard ig before and i heard this song it would
make me want to hear more of their music. i love the eclectic arrangement.
and when emily's voice comes in, so sweet and clear, ooooh shiver. :)
there are some nice crescendo movements in the song too, but the girls are
known for that.

i had to special order honor. hmm... i really hope the store orders more
of the honor cd, i bet people would pick it up if they saw it and liked a
couple of the bands. oh i will have to listen to sherman alexie on honor
next, he is a very popular new writer right now and he went to washington
state university in pullman (woo, both my brothers go there).

i also bought the new bragg cd "william bloke." i am on the bragg list and
the vote seems pretty split for love/hate. i am actually scared to listen
to this cd! what if i hate it. hmm... imagine waiting ~5 years for a new ig
cd and finally having it in your hands. this was almost as bad as the wait
between joshua tree and acthung baby (rattle & hum never counted much for
me, oh the shame!) i think i'll listen to blood quantum a few more times :)

kristina

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hey y'all--
  misc. that's clark humphrey's column in the stranger, the only good seattle
paper, which i miss.  ahem, don't mind my venting.  i'll be home in 3 weeks
anyway, what am i complaining about?
  i'm not up to date listwise at the moment, b/c i just got back from a
little trip to bryn mawr, suburban philly, and wilmington, del.  went to bryn
mawr to see an old friend, and made some new ones, including converting
someone to this list (say hello, christina!  isn't she cute, y'all? ;)  ).  i
was supposed to meet christina webb, a listie from swarthmore, but i ran out
of time.  little did i realize that owning at least 3 ig albums is an
admissions requirement at bryn mawr! (i'd abbreviate it, but...)
  ok, here's a hypothetical question, ala calvin and hobbes: what if i bought
the honor cd for a really good price at a used music store?  would any of it
go to the campaign, or no?  well, anyway, i'm sorry, but it was on sale for
$12.99 and i hadn't seen it anywhere else.  and then my stoopid friend was
*studying*, of all things, so i couldn't listen to it until now!  all this
music is so lovely!!  the only bad thing is that they didn't include lyrics (
dang i wish i could hear better!).  oh, and here's a just plain dumb
question: why is it honor1?  is it meant to be the first of a series?
  anyway, then i went to visit my uncle and aunt and their 2 kids and the new
baby!!  (awww)  and then, i visited my grandparents for a few days.
everybody go write a note to your grandparents (if you're lucky enough to
still have some); they're cooler than you think!  mine, anyway.  we went to
this exhibit called talking pictures at the art museum.  has anyone else seen
it?  what it is, is a bunch of people, some famous, some not, talking about
the picture that speaks to them the most.  it's in their own words, in an
audio-thingy you hold up to your head.  some were really good, like sandra
cisneros, isabel allende, dennis hopper, the rev. jesse jackson, and the one
with the auschwitz photos; and some were duds--don't listen to the joan
rivers one!!  but as a whole it's a good idea, and there were more good ones
than bad ones.  go see this if it comes to your area.  it's not boring.
  and just now i peeled some apples for a rosh hashana recipe with my mom.
alla you jews on the list (and everyone else too): have a good, round, sweet
year.
love,
karey
(usually known as karey weisman eals <karey@u.washington.edu>)
ps okay, so most of this post was not too relevant, but i'm just backing up
my claim that y'all are like a big family.....<sniff sniff, honk, awwww>

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yeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
reggi, you rock!!  i did americorps between high school and college, and it
sure confirmed my college aspirations.  i gained a lot in terms of work
experience and life experience that people have been talking about.  people
skills.  i'm white, and my job was in washington, dc, so 90% of the people i
worked with were african-american.  it was an eye-opener to be the in the
minority for once.  and i conquered my unease about older people.  and it
certainly showed me how unrealistic it is to try to live on $100 a week--just
imagine if you had children and/or a significant other!  also it gave me time
to stall.  in the winter and spring of my senior year, i first couldn't
decide where i wanted to go, then didn't want to go to more school at all.  i
think that americorps has wide enough a range of jobs to satisfy a whole
bunch of people, and you can do it at any time: before college, in between
years, afterwards, to pay off student loans.  (oh, i should explain: when you
finish a year, you get $4,725 for secondary education.  and during, you get
healthcare, childcare if you need it, and a *small* salary.)
sorry, y'all, for going off like this.  it's just that americorps is one of
my favorite things because it allows people to serve our country without
killing people, and we really do make a difference in a ton of areas.
<steps off of soapbox>  ahem.
peace and lifelong service,
karey
(usually known as karey weisman eals <karey@u.washington.edu>)
ps reggi rocks also because she's in eugene, my home town, and all 4 of my
parents went to uofo! :)

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subject:      new yorker snippet

hey y'all!

i was reading my most recent new yorker, checking out the concert listings
because even though i do not live anywhere near nyc, they usually have
interesting little snippets about the artist. then it occurred to me
(insert lightbulb over head) that ig played nyc in early august. (begins
frantic search for early august issues...)

so i found the issue that lists the roseland show, and i thought i would
share.  now, before i do, there are some ground rules to be observed.  :-)
please remember that this is simply a one paragraph overview of the artist
in question, and almost by definition it is a bit simplistic.  and i want
you all to read this in a very positive light because a) it was listed first
among concerts, which is a good sign, b) nice things are said, and c) the
new yorker is generally not the most forgiving of critics :-).  now, i
freely admit that the last parenthetical comment made me bristle a bit (for
obvious reasons), but i kept the above in mind and i was happy with the
overview.

that having been said, here goes (re-printed without permission):

"over the past seven years, amy ray and emily saliers have built up a huge,
devoted following with their ugly-duckling-no-more brand of folk and pop.
live, the duo alternates between ray's rebellious rites-of-passage songs and
saliers' darker unrequited-love numbers. (saliers is also an excellent
guitar player.) backed up by a slick band, they deliver a high-powered
show, and their (almost eclusively female) audience showers them with flowers."

ok, now, feel free to comment. :-)

whatever,

:dwayne

sorry guys, but i think this is important and i think a lot of us will agree
>>>
>>>
>>>president bill clinton has been taking way too much advice from his
>>>right-wing advisors like dick morris on the subject of doma. he needs to
>>>know that we will not sit back and allow him to score election year points
>>>by denying basic rights to lesbian or gay americans. it is the most
>>>important battle of our political lives and no matter what we think about
>>>the timing or the politics behind this issue, we cannot afford to sit this
>>>one out. this is an experiment in using the net for grass roots politics.
>>>your voice will make a difference.
>>>
>>>to participate in this experiment:
>>>
>>>1. e-mail this message, exactly as it is, complete with this introduction
>>>to at least five of your friends. add it to any mailing lists you are on.
>>>please, distribute as widely as you can.
>>>
>>>2. copy the message below the line (edit it if you want) and without
>>>this
>>>introduction text, to a new e-mail message directed to the president.
>>>
>>>3. address that new message to:
>>>
>>>                president@whitehouse.gov
>>>
>>>4. fill in your name, street address and the date in the appropriate
>>>places top and bottom. the white house tosses e-messages with no
>>>street
>>>address.
>>>
>>>5. in the subject line, write:
>>>
>>>                veto doma
>>>
>>>6. hit the send button and your copy of message will be on its way to
>>>the
>>>white house.
>>>
>>>if you follow all of these directions, the president could receive a few
>>>hundred thousand messages titled veto doma. it would be too much to
>>>ignore.
>>>
>>>we can and will make a difference in 1996!
>>>
>>>    jeff harris
>>>    seattle, wa
>>>    jeff@aa.net
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>__ below this line is a sample of the e-mail message to the
>>>president __
>>>
>>>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>insert date here
>>>
>>>president bill clinton
>>>the white house
>>>1600 pennsylvania avenue
>>>washington, dc
>>>
>>>dear mr. president:
>>>
>>>republicans in congress, with the help of many democrats have passed the
so called defense of marriage act, or doma. they created the
>>>bill from ignorance, from hatred for gay americans and out of the
>>>desire to embarrass you in an election year. you helped its progress
>>>when you announced
>>>early that you would sign it. now, you must change your mind and do
>>>the right thing. veto doma!
>>>
>>>doma is a dangerous threat to the civil liberties of gay americans and
>>>to the constitution itself.  as jim crow laws once did to african
>>>americans in the south, doma would use the mighty power of the
>>>federal
>>>government to deny to one class of citizens, gay americans: income tax
>>>benefits, pensions, social security survivor benefits, access to
>>>partners in federal hospitals, immigration rights, and so much more
>>>that we have not yet considered. doma would create for the first time
>>>under federal law two classes of citizenship with different rights
>>>for gay and straight americans. this divisive law threatens one of our
>>>most important constitutional principles, equal protection under the
>>>law.
>>>
>>>you must do the right thing mr. president, speak out against the
>>>hatred, eschew the politics of division and rise above the political
>>>expedience. do the right thing for your country and its citizens. veto
>>>doma. raise your voice against this monstrous injustice. use the
>>>power of your veto pen to bring us together, instead of your signiture
>>>to divide our nation by creating a new federally ordered apartheid
>>>system of injustice.
>>>
>>>sincerely,
>>>
>>>
>>>>insert your name
>>>>insert your street address
>>>>insert your city, state, & zip code
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
>
>
>

ok, after the first listen... i know billy bragg's name has been thrown
around this list and you might buy one of his cds if you see it in a shop.
word of advice, don't make your first bragg purchase "william bloke."
it's ok but not anywhere near "talking with the taxman about poetry" or
"don't try this as home" or "worker's playtime." buy one of those three,
they are full of witty folk/rock/political(socialist) music. :)

maybe "wm bloke" will grow on me but bill's gone soft i say! all the music
sounds a bit washed out, with the exception of 1 or 2 songs. i hear
parenthood does that to you. is ok, i still think he's brilliant. :)

kristina

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date:         thu, 12 sep 1996 22:51:45 edt
reply-to:     kirsten chevalier <kirsten@spike.wellesley.edu>
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from:         kirsten chevalier <kirsten@spike.wellesley.edu>
subject:      happy birthday! (sept. 12)

cmdst30+@pitt.edu (christy m diefenderfer) (happy 19th!):
"i've seen the shadows of so many people trying on the treasures of youth
but a road that fancy and fast ends in a fatal crash and i'm glad we got off
to tell you the truth..."

(power of two)

:) :) :)

in a message dated 96-09-12 22:21:09 edt, kristina writes:

<< aybe this is really biased (ok, it *is*
biased) but if i had never heard ig before and i heard this song it would
make me want to hear more of their music. >>

wow....i need to get that puppie...but i think i'm gonna order it from
hte...i don't know if they get a bigger cut that way or what.....
anyway......so does anyone think that they are gonna release
this(bq) as a single and put some muscle in it ? you know, get it out there ?
i don't know nothin' about marketing but it sounds as if this could be
a big hit...which would be good for hte :)[can i direct the vid ? with
kim from north van, of course]]
so i noticed that epic has a hand in this...hope they push it.

binky [got the rest of my ig pictures frum bumberhoot...
oooooooohhhhhh(beatle's fan scream) like buttah !
about to burn up the scanner !! :)]
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
so....um...if jesus was a liberal...and god (old testament version)
was an arch conservative then the holy ghost would beeee...
a psychic friend ?????)
uh oh.....i goin' to that place (you know....down there...where it's
hotter that louisiana) for sure !
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

in a message dated 96-09-12 20:27:43 edt, kirsten writes:

<< (except for the great grape nut debate of 1996,
of course ;-) >>

nooooo !!!! no-ho-ho-ho...oh sweet merciful god in heaven.....
noooooooooooooooo !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

blinky

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>>atlmouse@aol.com said<<
i don't know if amy smokes cigarettes or not, but i did see her and
emily tokin' on a big ol' j after a show in st. pete, fl.

a big ol j? a doobie? a dack? a joint? a roach? emily? wow.
never would have thought . . . .

-j

emily wrote thr song for me..i just know she did

i had the terrible misfortune of falling in love with a lady..my
therapist..she was a bbrilliant speaker, much sort after, news articles,
interviews..the whole bit..everyone thought she was great and wonderful
and intelligent..
"everybody loves you, and they want to know you're story..you go riding
out a mystery, conceled in all your glory"

but what they didn't know, and neither did i at the time..this lady was
trying to decide if she could possibly be gay..was looking for someone to
take care of her and adore her on a more personal level than just "the
masses"..so she took it upon hersalf to seduce a client ..an admiring
victem willing to do anything to please..you know how you are when you're
head over heels in love.
" but when it comes to fleah and bones. you reind me of a shallot,
only made of shawdows, even though you're not.."

so i proceeded to fall for this lady, showered her with love and gifts
and my time..listened endless hours while she spoke of herself and her
life and her dreams and her expectations of me( and how i wasn't living
up to them)..and i listened and listened , trying to figure out what it
was that i loved and wanted and needed from her...all the while getting
nothing in return..
i remember how i spent all my energy and time withaffected conversation,
trying to pry inside your mind, you are as beautiful as truth and as
empty as a shell.."
so she continued, asking for more, wanting to start a sexual
relationship, ( i didn't, was married you see) but she persisted, said
she'd leave if i didn't,,bythis time i was so taken with her, and in love
and under her power that the thought of her leaving was too powerful so i
gave in..
"and i came to you one night ,,and you made me feel like hell. oh to
reach thru all your surface, just to find an empty shell, and to suffer
all your pride as i lay down by your side, and you swallowed up my heart,
left me a fool."
and she loved being worshiped and adored..was promoted to the director
ship of a major county hmental health facility..everyone was enamoured of
this lady..and as long as there were admirers to paint her a flattering
picture of herself, she didn't have to look at the truth and what she was
doing to a client and person who loved her more than life itself..
"everybody loves a hero, an image to create, antithesis of everything
inside our selves we hate, but you better close your eyes when its time
for them to die, because you'd hate to think the life you'd built upon
them was a lie"

but as my money faded and i started to see her as she really was, she
began to search for "greener pastures".i tried to communicate, to tell
her it didn't matter, that i still loved her even if i saw her as a
mortal and not a goddess cause i still loved her..but it was too
late..she felt she had fallen off my pedistle and couldn't bear to be
around me who saw her as just human..but the problem was..she had made
the ultimate mistake..a therapist must never have a personal relationship
with a client, neither friend nor especially sexual..so she had to "work
on me", constantly remend me that i promised i would never tell that
there had been anything between us, that it would destroy her, never mind
what the denial and abandonment was doing to me.. she would come to my
home and my work and remind me that i had promised never to tell..al the
time refusing to explain her sudden abandonment..only to remind me to
protect her..at the same time extolling the virtures of her new love..a
doctoral candidate in psych with lots of money and "professional"
ambitions..
" i resigned myself to silence, i will never blow your cover..no ever has
to know who the hero took for lover, but it comes to mind as you blaze on
as brilliant as the star, how many you've left behind, how many
casualities ther are."
so she left me, broken and alone with just the confusion of what it was
..but a true hero in the form of another therapist came along and savd
me..worked on me for months thru suicide attempts and my constant
pleading that i could never betray my love, how noone understood that
she really loved me..and when i finally did "blow her cover " i was so
distraught i landed in the psych ward...and called the hero to
apologize...only to find she left that same evening on vacation with her
latest casualty...there is a some what happy ending..1 year later i am
stronger and realize what she did was wrong..but it doesn't change the
fact that i love her..that i trusted ..that i believed...and confirmed my
belief that i'll never do that again..
"oh, to reach through all your surface, just to find an empty pool
and to suffer all your pride, as i lay down by your side, and you
swallowed up my heart, left me a fool, left me a fool.:

i'm sure emily wrote it for me.. sorry to waste the bandwith but it
helped..

in a message dated 96-09-12 18:11:06 edt, michaelxr@aol.com (michael r)
writes:

> but the point is, the political
>posts don't even belong here, and i wish it would stop,

i just wanted to comment on this because i think that with a list this big (i
think the most recent estimate was 750+ listees) there are bound to be posts
that not *everyone* will have an interest in reading. and i am sure that we
all have very little free time, between work and school and other important
functions in our lives, and we don't want to waste that time sorting through
non-ig posts.

however, there are many subjects which will come up for discussion which are
nigc, which i can understand since many of us have similar interests and feel
comfortable enough with each other to bring up certain threads.

but this is why each email window has a subject line. if we can try to be as
specific as possible, given the small amount of space allowed for the
subject, about the subject of our posts, then whoever is not interested in
reading that post can very easily click on 'delete'- there, no harm done.

and please, no more posts with "no subject" as a subject. that bugs me! try
to be a little more specific!

-sheri : )

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  _       _ ------ _               o      |....when you learn
{  ~\_/         o   \    o  o           |to love yourself
{  ~ _   ]          <  o                 |you will dissolve
{_~/  \ _        _ /                    | all the stones
             v-----                        | that are cast....
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late at night on 9-12-96, binky wrote:
>uh oh.....i goin' to that place (you know....down there...where it's
>hotter that louisiana) for sure !

wait... you mean there's a place that's hotter than louisiana????

hmmmm.... and i thought this was hell ! :)

tamara (who will one day live where it never gets above 75 degrees.... okay,
80 at the most...*chuckle*)

in a message dated 96-09-12 18:13:47 edt, michaelxr@aol.com wrote:

> the point is, the political posts don't even belong here, and i wish it
would stop, > because i certainly did enjoy the other posts about the indigo
girls and their terrific > music.

ok michael as one of the people who have contributed to the many political
posts to the ig list, i feel that i must respond.  imho, this board is not
solely to discuss the ig but for ig fans to come together and bond with other
ig fans.  this board, therefore, is a place where all ig fans may discuss
anything they wish.  however, it is safe to surmise that we all here as
subscribers to this list, have a true desire to come together and write and
read posts of strictly ig content.  therefore, i offer you and other new ig
listers the etiquette of the board.  should anyone on the list care to post
anything containing "non indigo girl content" it is customary to in your
post's thread put (nigc).  now that you know, michael, you may delete all
"nigc" that may hit your mailbox.

and another thing, writing for the (lol).....oh....the 4 or 5 lesbians and
the ...oh...2 or 3 straight, gay friendly ig fans that subscribe to this
list, it is safe to say that noboby here assumes anything about anybody. as
a popular gay-friendly bumpersticker states "diversity is our strength"

(***whoa, was that considered a flame? i've never done that before. you
never forget your first....michael, welcome to the ig list!!!***)

peace, love & understanding,
kate

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that's good. emily says that she quit smoking for her voice. so she
changes to mary jane? rip up those cords em'.
ben (who is trying to quit smoking)

hi!  i'm a newbie and i was just wondering if any of the list members were
also members of a ig fan club???
reason i ask is...a few years ago after a great concert, i wrote a letter to
ig in care of what i thought was a fan club and i never heard anything.  now
i'm sure they get tons of mail and did not in any way expect a personal reply
but it would have been nice to at least hear about such gatherings as this
list and some of the bands and mags and newspaper articles you all are
chatting about.  i used to think i was a pretty dedicated fan but after
reading the postings for a week, i feel a little out of it...if i'm missing
the faq section-let me know via list or personal email !!

thanks!
lori
lorali7@aol.com

ok im sorry if someone already posted this, but i just started listening
to the entire honor1 cd and in the first song there is a beautiful spoken
word set to music. we had a discussion about the line "we were on the same
boat back in 1492" from amy's "shame on you." was it 1492? i am too lazy
to get out my boot and ff to that song just to check. well this track,
titled "all my relations" by ulali, starts out:

"to our elders who teach of us of our creation and our past so we may
preserve mother earth for ancestors yet to come, we are the land.

this is dedicated to our relatives before us, thousands of years ago, and
to the 150 million who were exterminated across the western hemisphere in
the first 400 years time, starting in 1492."

if you don't have this cd, you really want it. :)

you can visit honor the earth's website and order the cd at
http://www.honorearth.com

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subject:      babe, er i mean gabe (tee hee)

someone asked who gabe, of new orleans boot fame is. gabriel "gabe" harris
is joan baez' darling 26(?) year old son...

joan ;)

i know this was covered some time back, but like an idiot, i didn't save
it. so, for those who are in the know, what are good methods and equipment
for recording shows surreptitiously? info on analog and dat would be
helpful, as well as my personal rights about what they're allowed to
confiscate of they catch me.

please e-mail privately.

thanks, carol

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date:         fri, 13 sep 1996 02:01:52 edt
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from:         joan morrison <103161.3515@compuserve.com>
subject:      (nigc) k's choice, nashville concerts

for anyone that might be interested k's choice will be opening up for
alanis morrissette (eek...sorry) this coming sunday night (sept. 15) at 7:30 p.m.
at starwood amphitheater in nashville, tennessee. tickets are $20 and $27.
available through ticketmonster (615) 255-9600 (sorry, don't know their
800#)

other musical happenings coming up in nashville that may be of interest:

9/18 -- the cranberries with cracker; starwood amphitheater; $19.50, $29.00;
9/19 -- kevin welch and band (verrry cool alternative country artist and indie-label
owner), bluebird cafe, 9:30 p.m., $8.00 (615) 383-1461
9/21 -- rock n roots festival '96, featuring los lobos, steve earle (a.r.'s a fan
of his), robert earl keen, kim richey, the v roys, and greg trooper;
riverfront park, 2:00 p.m., $10 advance, $15 day of show;
9/27 -- the subdudes "farwell tour '96", 328 performance hall, 8 p.m. (don't know
about ticket prices)

tickets to all of these shows (except the kevin welch show at the bluebird)
are available through t-monster.

peace and cool shows,

joan :)

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subject:      kristen hall's fact & fiction

some people were wondering what label kristen hall's "fact and fiction" cd is
on.  according to the cd i have (don't know whether it is an original release or
a re-release), it is on high street records, released under license from
daemon records, and distributed by bmg distributing.  i bought it back in may
at either media play or blockbuster music.  i luuvvvvvvv this cd!!!!!!!!!!!!!

joan :)

>if his intention was to give us a
>laugh, it worked.

ya know--i think i was bored and my intention was to give myself a laugh.
call me narcissistic (ummm-did i spell that correctly?).  and boy did i get
one.  i have been rolling reading how people thought i was amy.
         ok kellie, you feel hurt.  so i apologize for "hurting" you.  such
fragility.   i actually thought what you wrote to me thinking i was amy was
sweet.  i'll be sure she gets it next time i see her.

> if his intention was to turn our
>conversation away from trivial things, then it didn't work 'cause now
>were talking about his fake post. who knows? maybe it really was amy, just
>pretending to be greg.... ;)

thank you, anna, for appreciating humor.  ok for the record (and if anyone
else is still confused and thinks i'm amy, you really need to re-examine
the word gullible in the ole websters)  i am not amy ray.  deb is not emily
saliers.  dwayne is not russell carter.  although sherlyn is dar williams.
joke joke joke joke.  please don't mail sherlyn thinking she is dar.
sheesh!
        again i repeat,  i am not amy ray.  i am not amy ray.  is that
clear?  now go to your room.  :)

awaiting spring of 97 for the new album so igc can come back to the list, i
remain forever,

bill clinton

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date:         fri, 13 sep 1996 03:30:01 -0400
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subject:      political posts-why here?
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date: thu, 12 sep 1996 16:59:48 -0600
from: deb reiser <debbie@mei.com>
subject: re: political posts-why here?

>michael asks in a most plaintive way why political posts mar >the landscape
of this wonder list. please allow me to quote:
etc etc..
>does that answer your question michael?

gee deb, if you are asking a question to me, why did you post it to the
entire group?  are you always this defensive?  it doesn't answer my question
at all.  the lyrics you display hardly justify the myriad of political posts
that are not talking about specific lyrics.  to talk about political issues
belongs elsewhere.

and if you insist on carrying this discussion, may i suggest you email me
rather than try and post.  my initial post was directed at a large number of
people making political posts, which is why i posted to the group.  your post
was directed specifically at me and was an obviously blatant attempt to try
and gain group support from the majority.   most people who disagreed with me
had the courtesy to email me privately, and did so without sounding so
sarcastic and defensive and insecure.  should you insist on posting attacks
on me to the entire group, i will return in kind as i am here, which would be
a shame for the others in this group.

-michael

dear ig list*
i agree with michael---i mean there are lists to join for all these subjects
and there you will probably be able to engage in all the debates and learn
what is going on today in those issues.   this list should be about the ig's
music not their personal lives.  they give us this wonderful gift of their
talent and all we can do is pick their lives, families, habits, etc. apart
for every detail???  that's crazy-put yourself in their shoes.  sure they
want to draw attention to issues but they don't want to do our thinking for
us.  and if someone is pretending to be amy or emily, i think they need to
get a life.  i'd like to learn more about their music, lyrics, and other
under-appreciated singer/songwriters that are out there trying to do what ig
did....perhaps i would even like to know about other fans and what they are
doing in their cities, colleges or lives that make them interesting.  but it
is not necessary for me to know, for instance-if emily smokes, what she
smokes, when she smokes, if she quit, when she quit, etc, for me to enjoy
their music.  if its a cute or funny antedote-great but if its irrelevant to
the list, you all can email eachother outside the post to your hearts
content.  now don't think this is a flame because i think everyone is funny
and enthusiastic and well-meaning-this is imho!
lori
lorali7aaol.com

to the list, do y'all know anything about this show?....i think that ksca
is a radio show (don't know which city/state)...my tape has a variety of
singers on it and i don't recognize the songs i listened to (granted, i
didn't listen to the whole thing <grin>)...

(sorry to post below to the list...)

to the person who sent me the boot, thanks, but i'm having trouble
finding any indigo girls themselves singing on it?...was i mistaken?...

thanks!...@=d take care, jen

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subject:      re: political posts-why here?
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oh, bink, you weren't one of the ones who thought grapenuts taste like
kitty litter, were you? <g>

*************************************************************************
"as your body grows bigger your mind must flower
it's great to learn! coz knowledge is power!"--schoolhouse rock

******gwen keyt******
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on thu, 12 sep 1996 mmedido@aol.com wrote:

> in a message dated 96-09-12 20:27:43 edt, kirsten writes:
>
> <<  (except for the great grape nut debate of 1996,
>  of course ;-) >>
>
> nooooo !!!! no-ho-ho-ho...oh sweet merciful god in heaven.....
> noooooooooooooooo !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> blinky
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this song is too personal for me even to comment on.

******gwen keyt******
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subject:      happy birthday! (september 13)

marianash@aol.com (happy 34th!):
"you said good friends are hard to come by
i laughed and bought you a beer, it's too corny to cry
well, sentiment given and sentiment lost
you shook it off with a smirk and a toss..."

(joking)

:) :) :)

[random thought that didn't merit an entire post of its own:
the cause of the recent epidemic of, well, what i shall politely term as
irony-deficiency has finally revealed itself to me.
it's september!!!!!!! need i say more? ;-)]

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subject:      re: say it ain't so..amy ray smokes??? -reply

in message thu, 12 sep 1996 22:42:35 -0500,
jorge sanchez <jsanch@wpo.it.luc.edu> writes:

>
>>>atlmouse@aol.com said<<
>>>
> i don't know if amy smokes cigarettes or not, but i did see her and
> emily tokin' on a big ol' j after a show in st. pete, fl.
>
> a big ol j? a doobie? a dack? a joint? a roach? emily? wow.
> never would have thought . . . .
>
> -j
>i'd rather hear that she smokes herb over tobacco , at least you get a buzz
while you torturing your lungs!
leprechaun sd
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subject:      re: say it ain't so..amy ray smokes??? -reply

>
> that's good. emily says that she quit smoking for her voice. so she
> changes to mary jane? rip up those cords em'.
> ben (who is trying to quit smoking)
>

don't worry

marajuana is not as hamful as tobacco, and you could not possibly smoke as much
joe as you can cigaretts because of the residual effects. or maybe that's the
primary effects.

trant.

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subject:      nigc:  it's friday!!  :)

i just wanted to wish each and every one of you a happy friday! eek... it's the
13th isn't it?? ah well, pay no attention to the number behind the day!! have
a great one anyway!

have a wonderful weekend!

i just wanted to let everyone know that the list shirts have been ordered
and i expect to receive them sometime the week of the 22nd. as soon as the
get them i will priority mail them out to those who ordered. between the
two orders 328 shirts were sold. thanks for such a terrific response.
neilly once said "the shirts will never happen - this list can't decide
anything." i have one saved for him for when he comes back :)

once again we did get more orders than anticipated so i expect some money
to be left over. once i pay the bill in full i will do a little math and
post to the list what was left over. this time any overage will go to the
honor the earth campaign. i expect a fairly decent donatation will be made
on behalf of the list -- i'll keep you informed.

also, i have not received payment from the following folks. some of you
have contacted me so i know why i don't have you order yet, but i really
need to get this part of the project taken care of. a shirt will not be
sent to you if i don't have your payment. if it's on it's way, please let
me know. if it's not, let me know that too.

orders not received
------------------
gail anthony (1) xl (yours must be on a really slow boat :)
heather coughlin (1) xl
ben <verdi@imap2.asu.edu> (1) xl
anne holderried (1) xl
elizabeth baird (1) l
pj harris (1) l
tina wong (2) xl
sarah (4) l
carol jones (1) xl
karrie (1) xxl
amber batson (1) xl
eric thiel (1) xxl
dennis gregorovic (1) xl

(yes, darcy, i received yours this time)

deb
(the sarcastic and defensive and insecure one :)

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subject:      nigc:  takamine? (guitar advice)

hi folks!

i know there are those of you out there (in abundance, i presume) who play
guitars.  i am fairly new at playing.  i am investing some money in a new
acoustic guitar and was wondering how takamine measures up.  i can't really go
for a martin right now cause they're just way to expensive.  anyhow, i would
appreciate any advice on good/great, medium/lower priced guitars from any of you
guitar players out there.  please, help me!!

peace and new guitars,
tamara

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subject:      article:  hopeful lyrics 11/22/85

hopeful lyrics highlight music by atlanta-based indigo girls
by edward o. marshall

in a world chock full of stress, violence and mounting tension, it is indeed
refreshing to hear, once again, of idealistic visions of peace, love and
universal accord from such musical talents as the atlanta-based duo the
indigo girls.

those hopeful lyrics, seemingly written for 1960s flower- child, folk-rock
concerts, come across easily, sometimes subconsciously, through 'pure and
simple' harmonies and a polished blend of acoustic guitar work. rhythm
guitarist amy e. ray and lead guitarist emily a. saliers mix a deep,
powerful, gutsy voice and a higher, more lyrical voice, respectively, to
reinforce an overall, thought-provoking idealism. though their message may
remind of the 60's, the duo is clearly of the 80's, admitting english
influences of dire straits and elvis costello. but, then again, leaving
contemporary, driving rock, they return to the 60's and 70's again, to pick
up with bob dylan, joni mitchell, carole king and james taylor.

the bulk of their material is original. and, if classified, they believe
their music is called "intense, acoustic, folk-rock."

though the girls were youngsters when carole king's "tapestry" was released,
even then they were finding musical talents of their own, on guitars, while
attending elementary and high schools together in the atlanta area.

during those years, home-basement practice sessions let the girls try their
wings by "working up a number for the pta," says ms. saliers. now, after
years of practice, they often play cover material from many of the era's
greats, as well as their own tunes.

the indigo girls have been playing together professionally for about three
years, mostly in the atlanta club circuit. and they've developed a sizable
following, although they have not recorded anything yet. both girls have
tried going solo, but as ms. saliers says of playing alone, "you can't play
lead and rhythm guitar at the same time." the strength apparently lies in
the mix.

as they write in a description about themselves, "the indigo girls want
their music to be thought-provoking. they enjoy recordings, but the magic of
the act lies in their live performances, intensity, singing from the heart,
a range of facial expressions, moving to the melodies. each song is chosen
for what it says to people."

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date:         fri, 13 sep 1996 11:42:07 est
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subject:      nigc: @addresses...

got this from the minnesota vikings list, and thought i'd pass it on...

take a gander at this: http://netaddress.usa.net/

     netaddress offers a free email address which you can keep for life. they
     will forward any mail sent to this address to the email address of your
     choice. this means that you can change jobs, schools, or isps and never
     have
     to tell all your friends a new address. all you do is tell netaddress the
     new address to use for forwarding. check it out when you get chance.

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date:         fri, 13 sep 1996 12:16:18 -0400
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subject:      re: they will know and a ig cover?
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claire
snip>
>wading through the text written by dead guys trying to separate the
> author's opinions from divine inspiration....
snip<
imagine igs cover of this

now singing..
it ain't necessarily so
it ain't necessarily so
the things that you're liable
to read in the bible
they ain't necessarily so

sportin' life

i am a problem child- i've been wild all my days...(a.ray)

..still crazy after all these years.. (p. simon)

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subject:      (rigc) math frustrations

here's a little ditty i wrote recently as a result of the frustrations of my
major:

geometry - it's a city of angles
there's a devil proof waiting for me in class
now tell me - where's the line? where's the theorem we're proving?
who's gonna give me an axiom - a clarifying axiom

i'll be the first to find the sine
the first to name the group
the first to solve a lone triangle
the last to write "abc"
i said geometry....

have a great weekend, folks!!

anna

i said, "darkness into darkness on the carraige of my journeys."
(what anna discovered herself singing one day while listening to rop.)

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subject:      nigc cuz ya'll seem there too

don't make me get out the old "official ig-l paper-bag" post my friends...
we are all buds here... many of you (certainly not me) have terrific senses
of humo(u)r and often this means sarcasm and (as the grrrl noted) irony.
read with a smile on y'all.. cuz' that is how thses are written, like, 95%
of the time.
greg? i thought it was funny... so i am publically not flamming the
flamer.
tracy <waiting for loud public begging to haul out the paper bag
post.. lol>

"it's my job to exaggerate"
-- rosie o'donnell

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subject:      nigc "be quiet trace" ?!?!

        kim, our goddess who has for some reason lost most of her title...
(what did you do to deserve impeachment hon?) made the out of context
follwing comment:
>my dad ( who's ninety now... active in his old age, since i'm *very*
>young... be quiet trace! ) used to recite this poem to me all the time when
>i was a kid
        and i reply... be quiet trace?!?! me?!!  what would *i* ever say...
i mean just cuz' you know all the lyrics to all the abba songs....  just
because you were driving when i was *&&@##@ mmmpfph!!!  (tracy is suddenly
covered in duct tape) besides, i am suddenly the old one lately... be quiet
jeni is more like it...  :-)

trace <who is really in a getting into trouble mood today>

ps the abba thing was a lie... well maybe not...

"it's all jan's fault."
-- marcia brady, a very brady sequel

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subject:      re: nigc:  takamine? (guitar advice)
x-to:         tamara mizell <103660.214@compuserve.com>

tamara mizell wrote:
>
> hi folks!
>
> i know there are those of you out there (in abundance, i presume) who play
> guitars. i am fairly new at playing. i am investing some money in a new
> acoustic guitar and was wondering how takamine measures up.

in my opinion, if it sounds good, it is good.  play a few different
makers and get a feel for them.  do you like the sound?  which one
sounds better to you?  do you like the way it frets?  meaning, is it
easy to hold the strings down with no buzz sounds.  i have played for
years, and everytime i get a new guitar, i go through the same process
everytime.  although, now i look at guitars in a deeper and more tech.
way than before.  when you get down to it, the sound is what's
important.  takamine makes great guitars, i like 'em.  some people don't
like them, so play and listen for the right one.  just play!

kristi vockler
vockler@pacifier.com

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date: fri, 13 sep 1996 06:19:12 -0700
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so maybe i wasn't thinkin straight( oops.. forward,never straight!!!)
i always thought em was referrring to shallot-the onion- as opposed to
shalot y'all have been discussing..ya know..how if you seperate a shallot
leaf by leaf, each leaf is so transparent its hardly there, but if you
leave it together you have a solid "thing"...
helll what do i know..maybe i was just hungry.

i have seen a couple honor questions on the list lately--here's some , hopefulluy , correct answers

yes--if you do buy a used cd we have already received our money from it--if you
buy a new one we will receive more since we only get money once on each cd--

also if you buy the cd directly from hte we do make more money

check out our website at www.honorearth.com (http://www.honorearth.com)
or you can order direct by callling 1-800-honor-07

remembner we are doing the following events
sept. 19--supper club cd release reception with ig, others tickets $250; $500
and $1,000--there is stilll seating ava cvcvvzcxvvvcvxcv 1-800-earth-07

sept 15--toad the wet sprocket will be doing a autograph party at the honor the
earth booth at the ben & jerry'
s one heart one world fesitval in loring park, minneapolis, mn in the afternoon
this a is a free event and open to the public

sept 20--at 3:00 pm the ig will be doing an honor1 cd release autograph aprty
at the electric fetus at 4th street south and franklin avenue in minneapolis

sept 20--at 7:30 pm at northrop auditorium on the university of minnesota--
minneapolis campaus the ig, bruce cockburn, sherman alexie--indigenous--more
will be perofroming at the honor rtelease concert--tickets at ticketmaster
612-989-5151

oct. 17--malibu ca reception tickets 500, 250 and 1,000 call 1-800-earth-07
for info

new shirt with song list from honor cd and album cover art on clay colored
organic cotton--nice shirt

for info e-mail me at omi@dexmn.com send you

send me your snail mail address if you would like to receive hte info--thnaks
for your time
peace, ur russ (re ) omi@dexmn.com

>>michael asks in a most plaintive way why political posts mar >the landscape
>of this wonder list. please allow me to quote:
>etc etc..
>>does that answer your question michael?
>
>gee deb, if you are asking a question to me, why did you post it to the
>entire group?  are you always this defensive?  it doesn't answer my question
>at all.  the lyrics you display hardly justify the myriad of political posts
>that are not talking about specific lyrics.  to talk about political issues
>belongs elsewhere.

i'm sending my reply to the list simply because i think it's totally unfair
that someone should take the opportunity to slam another list member and
then suggest that any follow up email should be done privately. i don't
think that's fair, especially when the post that caused this wasn't meant
in an attacking manner at all. so please, dear fellow list members, bear
with me :)...

dear michael and others who may hold similiar views: i was merely
attempting to answering your question. i sent it to the list (1) because
you asked the list (2) because others had responded to your question on
the list and (3) because the point that i wanted to make was an important
one. i felt others who may have been questioning the same things as you
could benefit from what i had to say.

i am very sorry to hear that you feel the lyrics i posted hardly justify
the political posts that appear here. actually i didn't post those words to
justify anything; i posted them to demonstrate the essence of the ig
message. they aren't just lyrics. for many they are, to paraphrase emily "a
message to our souls." those words appear on the back of the ig-list
t-shirt and i think they do a damn good job of summing up the philosophy of
ig and of this list. amy in particular has challenged us to not be
complacent. many on this list have answered that call. the issues that are
brought up here simply demonstrate that.

>and if you insist on carrying this discussion, may i suggest you email me
>rather than try and post.

please see above for my reason for keeping this public.

>my initial post was directed at a large number of
>people making political posts, which is why i posted to the group. your post
>was directed specifically at me and was an obviously blatant attempt to try
>and gain group support from the majority.

no sir it was not, and i am so sorry to hear you feel this way. i am who i
am and have no need to shore up support for my opinions. they have the
merit to stand on their own.

> most people who disagreed with me
>had the courtesy to email me privately, and did so without sounding so
>sarcastic and defensive and insecure. should you insist on posting attacks
>on me to the entire group, i will return in kind as i am here, which would be
>a shame for the others in this group.

i don't understand this personal attack at all. did i even come close to
using such words towards you? did i question any aspects of your character?
no. i simply posted the words that appear on the list t-shirt. it's a
beautiful message and one that i hope will make an impression on many
people and get them to think and act. please read those words again. please
see that there was nothing "sarcastic and defensive and insecure" in those
words or mine. you asked why political posts are on this list. i sent you
messages that amy and emily have sent to us calling us to action. many have
responded and that's why political posts appear here from time-to-time
(hang around awhile and you will see they don't even come close to
dominating the list. the majority of the time they are posted for
informational purposes only. it just so happens that you came on board when
some important issues where voted on in congress this week).

anyway, i hope i did a better job this time answering your (and others who
felt the same) question.

deb

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from:         "paul j. sgroi" <paul_j._sgroi@ccmail.c-tec.com>
subject:      re[2]: greg flamer's indigo fake post
x-to:         amy ray <gflame@nwu.edu>

>sheesh!again i repeat, i am not amy ray. i am not amy ray. is that
>clear? now go to your room. :)
>awaiting spring of 97 for the new album so igc can come back to the list, i
>remain forever,bill clinton

>> mr president: i'm really glad i finally got your real @address.
>>               your president@whitehouse.gov is always autresponding
>>               to me--just wanted to say:
>>               you got my vote, again!

i thought the line in shame on you was " honey i think we were on the same
boat back in 1694...."

i don't know.

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>
> date:    fri, 13 sep 1996 09:44:59 -0500
> from:    trant batey <twb@zycor.lgc.com>
> subject: re: say it ain't so..amy ray smokes??? -reply
>
> >
> > that's good. emily says that she quit smoking for her voice. so she
> > changes to mary jane? rip up those cords em'.
> > ben (who is trying to quit smoking)
> >
>
> don't worry
>
> marajuana is not as hamful as tobacco, and you could not possibly smoke as much
> joe as you can cigaretts because of the residual effects.  or maybe that's the
> primary effects.
>
> trant.
>

ok, have you ever looked at the inside of a bong? all that stuff coats
your insides and i should know. i coughed up black phlem for 15 years.

i feel much better now that i have been off the stuff for 6 years.
(thanks for asking ;-) )

it does make me very uncomfortable to read posts about drug habits of
the girls. that is one of the dangers of this type of communication.
any little incident can be spread to the 4 corners of the earth.

flame away

paulal

okay...now i thought i'd ask this 'cause i found it funny and
some of you may be able to help:

in the course of my conversation with that scottish lass gail (hiya
gail!) i mentioned i had a granola bar for lunch, and gail doesn't
seem to know what this is and asked me to describe it.

how does one describe a blooming granola bar?!! can anyone
help me out here?

please don't clutter up the list with your particularly witty
description of a granola bar 'cause i don't wanna get burnt by
flames, or mail gail 'cause i don't wanna overflow her mailbox
and have her get peeved at me (i can do that quite well on my
own thank you...hi deb!, the sensitive, defensive and insecure
one! ;) so just e-mail me it privately.

sorry if anyone thinks this is stupid, but i thought it was kind
of funny and funny is always good...and if you aren't laughing
*with* me, then by all means, laugh at me!! :)

well, takamines are very good guitars.  my friend has a nice one with pickups
and everything.  those are good, also you might wanna check out yamahas.
they make real nice acoustics.  i have one with pickups and i love it.  it's
my baby. (the indigo girls also play yamahas : ) but takamines are definitely
good guitars. hope that helped.

sasha

halloooo caroline,

in a message dated 96-09-12 18:15:22 edt, you write:

>you'll have to get a newsletter to get the poop on more about eugene and the
>folks there or the shows in la and in santa cruz...if i spill the beans
>here, there won't be anything left to write (fat chance)

thanks for saving a bean or two for the newsletter. :) actually, i'm sure
plenty of beans will be available for that full flavored newsletter brew.

>ah,eugene!!! i like eugene! thanks to mk and kathy for their hospitality...i
>felt very much loved and at home. look out for mk's cd...the girl can
>sing.

so who is this mysterious mk we should be listening for?? ...always
interested in girls that can sing. ;)

thanks for the update from the road.

rebecca

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someone wrote:
> >to talk about political issues belongs elsewhere.

<sarcasm>  yes, i definitely think that a&e wouldn't want their fans
discussing politics, especially social activism and descrimination.  what
a waste of cyberspace!  </sarcasm>

margaret

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subject:      i'm back, map question, and missed 'em by that much....

hi...so good to be back with y'all after a summer away...but i see we are
still arguing about amy smoking. it's good to have some stability in my
life from this list. :)

ok, so i had no email access this summer and had to find out from my
trusty newspaper that ig were coming to phoenix (well, mesa) (where, btw,
you can't smoke anywhere in public anymore since they passed a rather
extreme city ordinance where even outdoor pay phones are public places,
although we all ended up lighting up sooner or later during the show).

my first question is: what up with my mailing from russell carter-land
coming so far into the tour? i was leaving for a road trip from phoenix
to new orleans and all i wanted out of life was internet access so i could
know the tour schedule and plan my cities accordingly, but i had no
access, and every radio station i called was clueless. so when i returned
to phoenix, there was my mailing, and i found out that the night i chose
to drive to memphis instead of austin, ig were in austin, and that day of
my return home, when i had been in las cruces a mere six hours earlier,
they were in las cruces. to say i freaked out was an understatement.
neighbors and neighbors of neighbors heard me screaming, and, well, yes i
did go on for quite a while. my friend said, "what's the big deal--aren't
you seeing them here?" he just really did not understand. so i'm hoping
you all will sympathize. :) and also tell me--did your tour schedules
arrive halfway through the dates?

but anyway, i enjoyed the show, blah blah blah, and my question is:
why exactly "map"? i mean, i *know* it's a demo tour and all...but is
there something more behind the word map i'm just not getting? please,
enlighten my clueless brain. i bought the shirt, i might add.

fwiw, i am in my fifth and final year of college and all i could think
while reading everyone's messages about college education was "damn!
i have senioritis bad."

so don't be throwing stones,
linda

        **they're just fanatics acting fanatically. they give
          bona-fide paranoids like myself a bad name...**
                                        --mulder

here you go ponygirl!  i listened to the soc about twenty times (i'm such a
procrastinator),  and this is what i heard, it probably isn't all correct,
but i did the best i could,  feel free to correct me if you think i'm
mistaken on anything!

moan, moan (can't quite make it out) voice of conscious tells me/us(?)
murders shed blood of the indians
here i sit in the land of play(?)
crying about my own virginity
maybe i know nothing new
you see i come from privelege (did i spell that right?) too
a shattering(?) book on the americas (???'s on this whole line)
a just another colonial terrorist (???'s)

i was on the road to austin...

--chickenman soc, amy ray at the electric factory, philadelphia, pa
8/15/96

does anyone know anything more about what she is talking about?  she did a
soc similar to this at bumbershoot,  or at least i remember her singing
about her virginity during it.  any ideas?

peace, love, and purple parity-carrity,
sundara

"...don't drink the water, there seems to be something ailing everyone..."

--emily

        hi y'all...well i guess amy hasn't quit smoking, so i'll amend my
earlier post...rather than say she doesn't smoke anymore, i'll instead say
that i have not seen her smoke since 93...maybe she was just being
considerate???  who knows, but all this talk about smoking (tobacco i mean)
has given me a craving far a habit almost two years broken!!
        peace    jen

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subject:      marijuana vs. cigarettes (little igc)

>don't worry
>
>marajuana is not as hamful as tobacco, and you could not possibly smoke as much
>joe as you can cigaretts because of the residual effects. or maybe that's the
>primary effects.

>trant.

ok, while we're on the topic of marijuana vs. cigarettes, i felt that i
should comment.  though i have never smoked either, i have read a lot about
the subject, & i know a lot of people who smoke one or the other.  b/c you
hold smoke from pot in your lungs longer than cig smoke, it has more damage
in the long-run.  i know someone who has smoked weed regularly for oh, 30
years or so, & who now has horrible bronchial problems.

>i'd rather hear that she smokes herb over tobacco , at least you get a buzz
while you torturing your lungs!
leprechaun sd

plus, this so called "buzz" affects your brain negatively, makes you forget
things, etc.  i'm not knocking anyone for smoking anything, i'm just
attempting to clear up dicrepancies here.  and to hear that a & e smoke
anything at all disturbs me, b/c it is proven that smokes harms your lungs,
& consequently your voice, & who would want to harm vioces as beautiful as
theirs?  that's just my take on the subject.

andi

"the prize is always worth the rocky ride."-es

just a random question...does anyone know how to pronouce "1200 curfews"?
is it "twelve hundred curfews"? and if so, what does that mean? why
wouldn't it have a colon & then be "12:00 curfews," pronounced "twelve
o'clock curfews"? just wondering...

andi

"the prize is always worth the rocky ride."-es

someone inquired (privately)as to the origin of the:
great grape nuts debate on the list...
i amused myself so greatly in answering that i feel compelled to
share it with the list (...insert evil cackle here ...). so for the benifit
of all of
new kids on block (aaaalll are weeeeelcome...step into the liiiiight )
here is my version of our secret shame........[ here is where everything
gets bluury as we depart into a flashback....do do do do....]

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
well it started *shudder* after the ig at new orleans concert....
the *evil* indigo boy (bert ;) posted a recipe for a flavor of ice cream
for the folks at ben and jerry's called "indigo swirls" (cute, huh ?)
that recipe included grape nuts....and a large amount
if posts followed regarding grape nuts (someone didn't know
what they were...) it was out of control (unlike political posts;)
the most horrifying aspect of this sad chapter in ig list history...
were the bad puns *shudder* (isn't that a capital offense ? well...
it should be ;) [just kidding !!!!!!]

yurs truleeee,

lee merriwether
(aka:binky)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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x-to:         tamara mizell <103660.214@compuserve.com>

tamara mizell wrote:
>
> i just wanted to wish each and every one of you a happy friday! eek... it's the
> 13th isn't it?? ah well, pay no attention to the number behind the day!! have
> a great one anyway!
>
> have a wonderful weekend!
>
> :)
>

what a completely wonderful thing to say. sometimes we forget how nice,
simple little happy comments can feel.

please have an absolutely terrific weekend on me! (keep the change) ;)

chris payne owen4@adnc.com

"if it doesn't work, force it...
if it breaks, it needed replacing anyway."

having never taken more than four or five drags off of joints in my life, i have
to admit you would know better than me what the real harmful effects are.  it
just seems hard for me to believe that anyone could smoke enough mj to cause
cancer.  i've also heard, but not from anyone who would reallu know, that there
is not really any evidence to support the claim that smoking marajuana will even
cause cancer.  at any rate, you can imagine the effects of breathing any kind
of smoke into your lungs.

at point my volleyball coach and trainer made was that most people who smoke
marajuana only do so about once or twice a week, but people who ingest caffine
take massive amounts in coffee, and do it every morning of everyday of their
life.

trant

>
> ok, have you ever looked at the inside of a bong? all that stuff coats
> your insides and i should know. i coughed up black phlem for 15 years.
>
> i feel much better now that i have been off the stuff for 6 years.
> (thanks for asking ;-) )
>
> it does make me very uncomfortable to read posts about drug habits of
> the girls. that is one of the dangers of this type of communication.
> any little incident can be spread to the 4 corners of the earth.
>
>
> flame away
>
> paulal
>

"it takes one minute to tell a lie, and an hour to refute it "

noam (babycakes) chomsky

this is what he said as far as i can remember
....don't have time to look it up :)
just what popped into my head when i read pauls post and
was thinking about how these rumours spred [insert rumour
for lie because i am not suggesting that, pleeeeze don't flame
me cuz i might cry and that's not pretty ]

love,
barbara streisand (like buttah)

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subject:      no curfews recap...

ok, i had a little too much to drink at a frat party last night, copied
down the address where i could get my no curfews boot, & now i can't read
what i wrote. can someone please please please (i'm begging) tell me who
to e-mail. (i'm a cancer.) thanks...i'll be forever grateful.

andi

"the prize is always worth the rocky ride."

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in a message dated 96-09-13 17:45:47 edt, napikosk@scf-fs.usc.edu (napikosk)
writes:

<<
but anyway, i enjoyed the show, blah blah blah, and my question is:
why exactly "map"? i mean, i *know* it's a demo tour and all...but is
there something more behind the word map i'm just not getting? please,
enlighten my clueless brain. i bought the shirt, i might add.
>>

i think "map" is going to be the title of the next album. :) from emily's
beeeeeoootiful "get out the map" tune! :)

rick
feeling minnesota

to the person who said that they saw amy & emily smoking a big j...how can
you be sure it was pot? a recent post said that while on tour, a messenger
had to go seek out a tobacco store because amy likes to roll her own
cigarettes...i know several people who roll their own cigarettes, and alot
of people mistaken the appearance of their cigarette to be a joint. perhaps
you saw amy and emily smoking home-rolled tobacco and not pot??????

-martha

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reply-to:     sherlyn koo <sherlyn@cafu.fl.net.au>
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subject:      re: greg flamer's indigo fake post
in-reply-to:  <v0153050aae5ec332c5c7@[129.105.186.21]>

on fri, 13 sep 1996, amy ray, posing as greg flamer, wrote:
> call me narcissistic (ummm-did i spell that correctly?). and boy did i get

ask deb^h^h^hemily. :)

> the word gullible in the ole websters)  i am not amy ray.  deb is not emily
> saliers.  dwayne is not russell carter.  although sherlyn is dar williams.
> joke joke joke joke.  please don't mail sherlyn thinking she is dar.
> sheesh!

hey! you really need to learn to tell your folk goddesses apart, young
(wo)man. i'm not dar, i am, in fact... *drumroll*... susan werner!

[see yen. see yen run. see me run from yen. see yen beat me to a
pulp. :]

*snicker*

good going on the surveys, folks. hopefully i'll be able to start
tallying again in 3 days... waiting waiting waiting for my brother
to get our dos and windoze discs back from his friend...

cheers,
sherlyn
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- sherlyn koo - sherlyn@fl.net.au -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
"i had dreams like distant thunder, i had hope like a prayer unheard.
now this is nothing less than perfect, in a less than perfect world..."
- patty larkin
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on fri, 13 sep 1996 11:58:17, deb reiser <debbie@mei.com> wrote:

>i posted them to demonstrate the essence of the ig message. they aren't just
lyrics. for many they are, to paraphrase emily "a message to our souls."

>amy in particular has challenged us to not be complacent. many on this list
have answered that call.

>i sent you messages that amy and emily have sent to us calling us to action.

deb, i hate to break this to you, but amy ray and emily saliers are not gods.
they are wonderfully talented musicians, yes, but they are not supernatural,
and each is not any better a person than you or me. calling us to action?
answering their call? give me a break.

>please read those words again. please see that there was nothing "sarcastic
and defensive and insecure" in those words or mine.

>does that answer your question michael?
>dear michael and others who may hold similiar views:

deb, by ending your post "does that answer your question michael?", and
addressing me as "dear michael" to the group when i know i am not so dear to
you, i think you are on very thin ice by saying you are not being sarcastic.
i think you know yourself it could have been worded better, deb.

so, you'd rather discuss this in public? fine. you may think it's important
for the people of this group to hear your comments, just like i think it's
important for them to know that there are other types of people out there who
like the indigo girls and their music, even if they are politically different
from them. to assume that everyone on this list is uniform in their
political beliefs is presumptuous at best.

-michael

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subject:      grapenuts and 1200 curfews

the grape nut debate was a secret shame??  i disagree!!  i was proud of our
grape nut debate--i refuse to be ashamed of debating grape nuts!!  in this
day and age, i should be able to walk outside with a bowl of grape nuts
without fear of reprisal!!  at this very moment i have two boxes of grape
nuts on my kitchen counter--i refuse to stash them in the cupboard so
visitors won't know!!  besides, i used to fall off my chair laughing at the
grape nut posts (post makes grape nuts, ya know).  indeed i forwarded the
grape nuts debate to all my friends around the internet--so really it's not
a secret, and i'm not ashamed!!

on other topics, someone asked why 1200 curfews was "twelve hundred"--i
think it's because they went through about 1200 recordings of live shows to
find the cuts they wanted for the album--at least i think i remember amy
saying something like that in some interview.

--reggi
*********************
usa women's soccer #1
*********************

>to the person who said that they saw amy & emily smoking a big j...how can
>you be sure it was pot? a recent post said that while on tour, a messenger
>had to go seek out a tobacco store because amy likes to roll her own
>cigarettes...i know several people who roll their own cigarettes, and alot
>of people mistaken the appearance of their cigarette to be a joint. perhaps
>you saw amy and emily smoking home-rolled tobacco and not pot??????

>-martha

i don't know many people that pass a cigarette of any type around and around
in a circle of people...   and besides, when i talked to amy afterwards, she
was definetly a little loopy! (and i have video to proove it!) a quote from
amy at that moment "there goes my bus...bye bye bus!".
i don't want to get flamed for "turning in " the girls!  many artists smoke
dope to get in touch with that "other side".  just listen to some of amy's
lyrics sometime... :)

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date:         fri, 13 sep 1996 21:56:55 edt
reply-to:     "christopher m. becker" <cmbecker@space.mit.edu>
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from:         "christopher m. becker" <cmbecker@space.mit.edu>
subject:      re: political posts
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              at sep 13, 96 9:09 pm

>  i hate to break this to you, but amy ray and emily saliers are not gods.
>  they are wonderfully talented musicians, yes, but they are not supernatural,
> and each is not any better a person than you or me.  calling us to action?
>  answering their call?  give me a break.

nope not gods (or godesses either), but i do believe there is a call to
action in their music.

        "i gotta get outta bed and get a hammer and a nail
         learn how to use my hands.
         not just my head and think myself in a jail
         now i know a refuge never grows
         from a chin in a hand and a thoughtful pose
         gotta tend the earth if you want a rose."

-- e.s.

"i will not be complacent"

-- a.r.

calls really don't get much clearer than that.

note though (1) its a call, not a demand -- individuals are free to do
what they like [no supernatural powers =)] and (2) the call is to
get off one's butt, not what to do with that butt when its moving!
yeah, there are some general themes that most folks agree with --
love good, hate bad -- that sorta thing.

now i don't agree with all the causes they put in the liner notes.
there are many ways to foster love, peace, and understanding in the
world.  some are at odds with each other.  some get labeled
conservative, other liberal.  its unfortunate, the labeling, because
it facilitiates us to dismiss ideas without really hearing them.  so
it goes.

still all ideas (right wing, left wing or fuslage) need to be aired
and acted upon in order for them to come into fruition -- that's the
point. part of that is informing each other when something
interesting comes down the pike -- like a presidential race. it
should be labeled nigc so people can avoid it if they like, but i
guess i don't see the harm.

> to assume that everyone on this list is uniform in their
> political beliefs is presumptuous at best.

to believe that would be absurd, i don't think anyone does.

-- chris

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in a message dated 96-09-13 22:18:31 edt, some person writes:

<< i hate to break this to you, but amy ray and emily saliers are not gods.
> they are wonderfully talented musicians, yes, but they are not
supernatural, >>

i'm pretty sure that they are aliens......ask patti smith, she's one too.

live long and....something.

babs
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
" don"t tell me not to live just sit and sputtah....life's candy
  and the sun's  a ball of buttah....don't bring around a
  cloud to rain on my paraaaaaaaade !!!!!"
  (stop me before i sing again !!!)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~ mommy make it stoooooop !!!!!!!!!!!!~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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