lifeblood: listlogs: 1996-09c

=========================================================================
date:         sat, 14 sep 1996 00:13:31 -0400
reply-to:     rbsayre@aol.com
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         richard sayre iii <rbsayre@aol.com>
subject:      re: political posts/ not gods..but aliens !

in a message dated 96-09-14 00:08:00 edt, binky/babs/how many personalities
do you have again, claire? ;) writes:

<<
in a message dated 96-09-13 22:18:31 edt, some person writes:

<< i hate to break this to you, but amy ray and emily saliers are not
gods.
> they are wonderfully talented musicians, yes, but they are not
supernatural, >>

i'm pretty sure that they are aliens......ask patti smith, she's one too.

live long and....something.
>>

hmmm.... i knew there was something fishy about them! could i be
mistaken...or is tori amos an alien too!?

:)
r i c k
    a)really loves tori. no, really!
    b)has several personalities of his own. er. their own.
    c)thinks that amy and emily are actually titans, rather than gods.
    d)is definitely not amy ray or emily saliers but thought that the flame-

meister's post was gut bustingly funny. :)

hello y'all. i was just sitting here reading all my mail and i realized
something... i have never been flamed. is there something wrong with me??
everyone else gets flamed and i'm beginning to feel all left out :( does it
count if you flame yourself? i think i could do a pretty good job of that :)
ooooh maybe this post will bring a flame. hope so!! don't let me down guys!!!

--jendy

paraphrasing jane gabrielle of radar rose tonight:

"not counting people who are gay and lesbian.. its like not counting
people who wear baseball caps..."

media paves the way
for the bashing of the gays
negative portrayl
its called gender betrayl
seething generalities
they make us blind so we can't se
please look at the soul within
past orientation and skin.
-radar rose

take care
water

"..pegasus will be your friend, if you only take her reins and
pretend.."-melanie hammet
___________________________________________________________
http://www.mindspring.com/~water/rose.html

"with enough energy there's nothing that can't be healed-- hatred...war.
it's just a matter of coming together with the right vision."
-fr. the tenth insight by james redfield

hey- y'all were great when i was looking for a roomie.. thanks for all the
help... i got a nice little efficiency all to myself. :)

i've got some questions for anyone at uga that can help.. being that i'm
totally new to the university, and did my undergrad at one that was only
1200 people, i'm totally lost at a place the size of uga.

question 1)- i've got a poster i wanna put up to advertise a show at eddie's
attic for radar rose and viva la diva-- where would the best place, inside
(as these posters are soooo incredibly beautiful and all hand done, i just
can't put any outside), be?

question 2)- how would i find out when the lgb group meets?

question 3)- anyone know anything about the athens poetry slam?

question 4)- where is the gorp (georgia outdoor recreation program) housed?

and lastly

question 5)- anyone out there happen to be in instructional technology?

thanks a lot, and sorry for the nigc
water

"..pegasus will be your friend, if you only take her reins and
pretend.."-melanie hammet
___________________________________________________________
http://www.mindspring.com/~water/rose.html

"with enough energy there's nothing that can't be healed-- hatred...war.
it's just a matter of coming together with the right vision."
-fr. the tenth insight by james redfield

hey all !! it's me - jen hall - with a much shorter e-mail address! had
to quit the compaq e-mail system, so i'm out on juno now.

had to comment on this joint thing. i've always been a 'stick in the mud'
i guess you'd say.  i've always been against drugs of any kind - even
pot.  although my hubby used it in high school and my nephew uses it -
and they both say it doesn't really do any damage for occasional & social
use - - just don't live your life by it.  (although i think my nephew
would be singing another tune if the cop that pulled him over for
speeding saw the bowl on the passenger seat. <g>)  but, i'm bummed out
that a&e allegedly smoke pot.  i guess i just like it better when people
live life thru their stable eyes - not clouded eyes.  but i guess many
performers smoke pot to 'get to the other side' of life and to experience
things differently.   i don't know.  i just don't like the fact that they
smoke pot.

flame away!
- jen hall

hey look-some new pix of the girls at newport!
gynergy
(having some fun with her new toy-the scanner)

to be what you are is one thing
to be what you want--now that's something else
ferron "sunken city"

http://members.aol.com/gynergy/index.html

in a message dated 96-09-13 22:17:54 edt, atlmouse@aol.com writes:

>i don't know many people that pass a cigarette of any type around and around
>in a circle of people...   and besides, when i talked to amy afterwards, she
>was definetly a little loopy! (and i have video to proove it!) a quote from
>amy at that moment "there goes my bus...bye bye bus!".
>i don't want to get flamed for "turning in " the girls!  many artists smoke
>dope to get in touch with that "other side".  just listen to some of amy's
>lyrics sometime... :)

ok. so maybe they smoke. big deal. however, i don't think that they smoke
in order to come up with lyrics. i don't know if you've ever smoked, but i
can't imagine trying to come up with lyrics as profound as theirs while i
was high. i'm sure they smoke just for fun, if they do it at all, and i'm
also sure that amy's lyrics come from the heart instead of a joint. i write
poetry, and i don't ever recall writing anything that was worth a damn while
i was wasted. can it be done? probably, but if your songs have to come from
an outside source to be good, then they're not your songs anymore - they're
something (or someone) else's.

peace...
margot

p.s. this is not a flame!!! : )

and i'm stepping on...
i am gay
i have smoked dope
i have done lots of nasty things
if i want you all to know i will tell you..but thats my choice..just as
its amys' and em's choice to tell us if they want to...this is not the
national enquiror ( or at least i didn't think it was when i
subscribed). they have the right to privacy.

amy discusses her politics in her music..ok then politics are fair game.
emily sings how "you can hate me cause i'm gay"..ok then , being gay is
ok.
but until we hear it in the tunes..whether they smoke pot, pick their
noses. wear leather underware..whatever..its none of our business!!!!! so
can we please keep it off the list..

steppin' down now..just had to get that off my chest..i'll go sit down
and be quiet.

i think that they're calling the new album "map" also because, like rop, a lot
of the songs seem to fit a certain theme -- in this case, as i remember emily
saying in an interview, about travelling. some songs that have that kind of
thread are winthrop, hey kind friend, leeds, chiapas bound, and of course,
get out the map. so, "map" seemed like a good album title.

of course, if they end up calling it something else, there goes this theory!

anna

related but somewhat tangential thought to my previous post, and apologies if
this has been discussed before: did anyone notice how, despite how different
they are and how different their lives outside of music seem to be, a & e end
up writing about a lot of the same general things in each of their albums?
(hardly an original thought i know -- i think i've read amy making comments
to this effect in various interviews.) not always, of course, but a lot of
times. i just think it's wonderful how they can take the same subject matter
and come up with such radically different, though often equally beautiful,
songs.

(i'm starting to have fun with this train of thought; please bear with me! :)

for example, as i think deb pointed out before, "fugitive" and "language or
the kiss." they're both about dealing with the consequences of decisions,
particularly career-related ones. how these decisions affect you and the
people you love. or maybe "kid fears" and "prince of darkness"? trying to
hold onto values or go back to them, something like that.

and one pair of songs that strikes me this way, though they are from 2
different albums, is "southland in the springtime" and "chickenman." in a
way, they're both road songs, obviously inspired by the experience of
travelling and performing, and what they went through while doing it. but
they are about 2 completely different aspects of the road experience. same
starting point, different paths.

am i completely wacko? does anyone wish to add anything? anyway, i guess
that's what makes them special ... standing at opposite poles, equal partners
in a mystery.

happily procrastinating,

anna

hello list,

well it's the beginning of my senior year in high school and the time has
come to do some serious college searching.  i am interested in the u of
delaware and was wondering if there were any delaware students or recent
graduates in this list who could answer some questions for me.  i hope to
visit the campus sometime in the next few weeks.  please email me privately
if you can help.  thanks a lot :>

elizabeth

hey y'all-
  i am soooo excited cause i just had my first ig dream last night!!  this
may have been because i just got the honor1 cd and because i have been
reading y'all's experiences with dreams.
i was going to an ig concert with my friend and there were tons of people
from my high school.  (which was surprising since hardly any of them have
even heard of ig)  i really wanted to get a good seat and no one had gotten
their tickets yet so we started to run ahead to the ticket counter.  i
remembered how everyone complained about people who rushed the stage at a
previous concert, so we stopped, but by that time the crowd had parted and we
were at the beginning of the line.  the ticket guy tried to give me some
seats in the back, but then he said, " or i can give you seats 3 and4."
which looked like on the diagram, front row center!  needless to say, i
bought those seats and then we rushed into the theater.  it was really small
and everyone was sitting down.  there were only two seats left and my friend
and i sat down.  we didn't end up front row center, it was more front row
left, but we still had a good view of the stage.  we watched the first
opening act and when the second opening act came on, we decided to leave and
come back for amy and em.  we went to some 7-11 and i really wanted to get
back, cause i thought we would miss them.  my friend didn't want to go back
that soon and i was crying.  when she finally decided to drive me back to the
theater, everyone was leaving, saying the concert was great.
i hope this doesn't mean that in the future i will miss out on an ig concert
or something, but i was just happy i had an ig dream.  hopefully in my next
amy and em will actually be present.  :-)

*lauren*
blood quantum rocks!!!! ( but amy's voice sounds kind of different) (not
that that's bad!)
*************************************************
"it is of immense importance that we laugh at ourselves." katharine mansfield

"the state of the world today demand that women become less modest and
dream/plan/act/risk on a larger scale." charlotte bunch

ok, i appreciate everyone's help on the 1200 curfews thing...you know the
question i posted:

>just a random question...does anyone know how to pronouce "1200 curfews"?
>is it "twelve hundred curfews"? and if so, what does that mean? why
>wouldn't it have a colon & then be "12:00 curfews," pronounced "twelve
>o'clock curfews"? just wondering...

however, the responses i received were conflicting...

>i believe the 1200 refers to the number of concerts the girls had done up
>to that point.

>it's twelve hundred curfews.  they picked this title because whenever they
>play a concert, they aren't supposed to play past a certain time (curfew),
>usually 11:00pm.  but, they get carried away and sing a few more encores.
>so, they named the album after the amount of "curfews" they've broken.  they
>broke a curfew in buffalo, ny in 1994, and amy got into an argument with one
>of the security guards over it...they are now banned from playing that venue
>again.  interesting, huh?
>they usually break curfews, but sometimes by as little as 10  minutes,
>sometimes as long as 30-45 minutes...i suppose the longer ones are the
>subject of the album title.  they've been playing together for about 10
>years, so i would think that they've played more 1200 shows!!  so, my hunch
>is that 1200 refers only to # of curfews broken, and not # of concerts.

>on other topics, someone asked why 1200 curfews was "twelve hundred"--i
>think it's because they went through about 1200 recordings of live shows to
>find the cuts they wanted for the album--at least i think i remember amy
>saying something like that in some interview.

so can we find some sort of consensus on this topic? someone must know
which opinion is correct.

andi <----losing sleep over this 1200 cufews issue

"the prize is always worth the rocky ride."-es

this is the explanation i just got...

>i think it has something to do with the amount of shows they have played. a
>curfew also
>refers to the time a band has to end a show due to local or venue rules.

>if you listen to closer to fine (i believe) on 1200 curfews you can hear amy
>say "we have a curfew"...

>hence 1200 curfews means they have played 1200 shows...
>
>i don't know if this is their total # of shows or what exactly this number
>is based on but that is where the title comes from, i think.

now i'm even confuseder...(i'm know confuseder is not a word, but it's how
i feel)

andi

"the prize is always the rocky ride."<----applies to this situation :)

hi sweeties !

can someone forward me a setlist from bumbershoot ?
my mail box was tragically trashed a while ago and i lost
the post that had it :(

if any of you are bored today and have a fast modem...
or can afford to do the dishes while a web page loads...
(uncompressed graphics rule !)
i have updated the bumbershoot page to include an ig page
with ...yes...photos ! the links to the big versions of the small
pictures dont work yet, and the ani difranco site doesn't exist...yet
....i really need to get out of the house now and count some trees !
i have been tied to the computer for three days now ...

(could you tell by my frequent and increasingly manic posts ???? ;).

ever see the flick "videodrome" ??? i kinda feel like that.

[ http://members.aol.com/mmedido/bum.htm ]

oh yeah my homepage is running too (it's huge, of course :)
the gallery and ig in n.o. list trip links don't work yet...
and my "fesival of self absorbtion" site only has one page
so far....there is a link to it on the bumbershoot pages :)

ta ta dahlings !!!!

binky streisand
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
..........life's candy and the sun's a ball of buttah...........
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>hey ig folks,

>the indigo girls fan survey version iii is now available to be
>filled out - the url is http://www.fl.net.au/~sherlyn/igsurvey.
>if you don't have www access or your browser doesn't support
>forms, you can mail me (sherlyn@fl.net.au) and i'll send you
>the email version.

>i won't be able to start tallying up the results for a few days
>because my fnarkin' computer died in a major way last night, but
>i expect that after i've thrown it off our 3rd-floor balcony a
>few times (look out cats :), it'll lose its hellaciousness and
start
>working again... or else...

>could someone please pass the message on the newsgroup? thanks.

>best to all,
>sherlyn

sherlyn, i filled out your survey last time. you did a
good job putting it together, but i have a question.
i never saw the results of the survey. if i fill out your
survey this time, can i see the results????

>
> hello y'all. i was just sitting here reading all my mail and i realized
> something... i have never been flamed. is there something wrong with me??
> everyone else gets flamed and i'm beginning to feel all left out :( does it
> count if you flame yourself? i think i could do a pretty good job of that :)
> ooooh maybe this post will bring a flame. hope so!! don't let me down guys!!!
>
> --jendy
>

my god jendy,

why in the hell would you write an idiotic thing like that to the list for.
don't you think we have anything better to do with our time than read your idiot
post.  and, if i could spell, i could probaly find some stupid spelling error to
bitch about also.  hell, next thing you know we are going to have to start
looking for that stupid "nigc" thing on every post.  what could you have been
thinking.

love,

trant :)

i am so behind reading email, but greg i thought your post was really
great. thanks for attempying to bring a little levity to the list.

> tracy <waiting for loud public begging to haul out the paper bag
>post.. lol>

ok trace, lets haul out those official ig-l bags. :)

(look i posted)

jeni saulinoj@olywa.net

______________________________________________________________________________
what i know is i don't know
when i'm sure it's only half the story
what i want is a house on a hill
but i'll settle for a moment of glory
-df, sr

"i was gay, when i was with marcia, jan and cindy"
-carol brady

on fri, 13 sep 1996 mhom@uakron.edu wrote:

> to the person who said that they saw amy & emily smoking a big j...how can
> you be sure it was pot?  a recent post said that while on tour, a messenger
> had to go seek out a tobacco store because amy likes to roll her own
> cigarettes...i know several people who roll their own cigarettes, and alot
> of people mistaken the appearance of their cigarette to be a joint.  perhaps
> you saw amy and emily smoking home-rolled tobacco and not pot??????
>
i can attest to this fact :)  you know you're going to get a big laugh
when campus security tries to take away your drum (tm) rolling tobacco.

* brendan white                         bwhite@lenin.cc.rochester.edu        *
* "take my hand- and lead me to salvation.  take my love, for love is        *
* everlasting.  and remember the truth that once was spoken:                 *
* to love another person is to see the face of god."                         *

hi, i was just wondering if anyone ever tracked down a tape of the hampton
beach show on 8/12. any info would be great. thanks!
-sarah

(also - is anyone going to the 10/6 dar show in concord, nh?)

sarah wardrop

--
administrative requests should not be sent to the list!
to unsubscribe, send email to listserv@netspace.org
        with the line: signoff indigo-girls
=========================================================================
date:         sat, 14 sep 1996 13:00:18 -0700
reply-to:     gwendigo <gkeyt@paul.spu.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         gwendigo <gkeyt@paul.spu.edu>
subject:      re: political posts
x-to:         michael r <michaelxr@aol.com>
in-reply-to:  <960913210948_307942432@emout06.mail.aol.com>

*************************************************************************
"as your body grows bigger your mind must flower
it's great to learn! coz knowledge is power!"--schoolhouse rock

******gwen keyt******
seattle pacific university
bsn class of 1997
gkeyt@paul.spu.edu
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/notime1/home.htm

> deb, i hate to break this to you, but amy ray and emily saliers are not gods.
>  they are wonderfully talented musicians, yes, but they are not supernatural,
> and each is not any better a person than you or me.  calling us to action?
>  answering their call?  give me a break.

a&e aren't gods of course.  but how do you think god (or gods, or
goddess...whatever your belief) calls us to action?  i don't know about
you, but i haven't seen any burning bushes lately, and there haven't been
too many angels knocking on my door with a message from on high.  but i do
believe that god has called me to action thru ig!!!!  yes! i do!  not only
thru them, but they have been important in my life largely because of
messages that i have interpreted in their music.  no one is saying they
are any better than you or me.  but i bet that someone in this world has
been inspired to do something important by something, known or unknown,
that you or i have done, and so why not amy and emily?

> important for them to know that there are other types of people out there who
> like the indigo girls and their music, even if they are politically different
> from them. to assume that everyone on this list is uniform in their
> political beliefs is presumptuous at best.
>

how could we possibly have a political discussion if we all agreed?  what
would there be to discuss? "well i think xyz is wrong" "yup, me
too".....uh, bor-ing.  we don't learn unless someone challenges our
belief.  now, can we start over?  cuz i am 100% sure that deb did not mean
to offend you with her post.  if you don't want to read political posts,
and you really believe that igs music has nothing to do with politics then
delete the posts.

--
administrative requests should not be sent to the list!
to unsubscribe, send email to listserv@netspace.org
        with the line: signoff indigo-girls
=========================================================================
date:         sat, 14 sep 1996 13:04:15 -0700
reply-to:     gwendigo <gkeyt@paul.spu.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         gwendigo <gkeyt@paul.spu.edu>
subject:      re: while there's so much flaming goin on...(nigc)
x-to:         jendy <edwina@jax-inter.net>
in-reply-to:  <199609140434.aaa16134@mail.jax-inter.net>

jendy! how could you say that! i can't believe it, you are so anti-flame
and discriminatory, like you could ever understand the agony of being
flamed!!

how was that? :) just trying to help!
<g>

on sat, 14 sep 1996, jendy wrote:

> hello y'all. i was just sitting here reading all my mail and i realized
> something... i have never been flamed. is there something wrong with me??
> everyone else gets flamed and i'm beginning to feel all left out :( does it
> count if you flame yourself? i think i could do a pretty good job of that :)
> ooooh maybe this post will bring a flame. hope so!! don't let me down guys!!!
>
> --jendy
>
> --
> administrative requests should not be sent to the list!
> to unsubscribe, send email to listserv@netspace.org
> with the line: signoff indigo-girls
>

i held off as long as i could, but i think the political post issue is getting
a little blown out of proportion.

a point was made earlier that is incredibly valid and needs to be reemphasized
here along with some additions things to think about:

yes, this is an ig list and there are a lot of people from extraordinarily
different backgrounds who have a myriad of views and opinions. i think that's
great. i love hearing different points of view (some with which i dissaggree
strongly, but that's ok).

the content of this list (and i've been on this list for a couple of years now)
is overwhelmingly indigo girls.  i found this list to be both entertaining and
very informative.  unfortunately, there are a limited number of things that can
be discussed when the girls are in between tours (or have just finished up a
very low-key "non-tour") or don't have a new album out. just gushing about the
indigo girls can get tiresome.  i love talking and reading about ig, but there
has to be some contextual variety or it can get a little boring.

every list has a personalitly of its own.  each list develops it's own culture
and people on this list post infromation that they feel would be of interest to
many of other listmembers.  not everyone is going to find certain posts
interesting, but that's what nigc and the delete key are for.  it's like
reading the newspaper, if your not interested in the article, don't read it.
(but please recycle :-) )

in the same way, everyone is free to post their views. this is not a serile,
heavily moderated list (thank goodness!!!). it is out of courtesy that people
keep as close as possible to the facts and respect that there are other views
out there. it is also the responsibility of the reader to resist reacting
defensively and repond with maturity.

one last personal comment...i am grateful for the various nigc informational
posts.  using our latest issue, i thought the doma information was important
since i haven't had the opportunity to pay that much attention lately.  i
would, however, add that we all should make an attempt to self-monitor how the
information is presented and how many people post the same thing.  i admit i'd
rather have too much information than not enough, but i think you know what i
mean.

here's looking forward to next year's tour and album...

sarah
sarah_scilley@ccmail.uoregon.edu

okay, i've got a couple lines that i can come up with at the moment...
yes, i know i am way behind. forgive me...

language or the kiss: i said to you the one gift, the china doll...

wood song: highway construction of this naked plan was built by other than
the creator's hand.

don't ask about the second one. i don't know from which demented part of
my brain that came from. :)

peace,
amy

rb writes
>hmmm.... i knew there was something fishy about them! could i be
>mistaken...or is tori amos an alien too!?
what the igs are ?mermaids that are aliens??, whatever..ani difranco may
be one too three four..all sing

smokin', but only from the flamage
which reminds me ..anyone read gary trudeau's essay on the back page of
time this week...pretty funny

maccool

i am a problem child- i've been wild all my days...(a.ray)

..still crazy after all these years.. (p. simon)

this is for humor only......

if everyone thinks e and a smoke dope.....

listen to the words of "dead man's hill"

"we went up to dead man's hill, smoking vines like cigarettes..."

a lot of imagery...maybe it was a good high....

i am totally kidding!!! no flames please, just listen and imagine the rumors
that could start... like the "lucy in the sky with diamonds" and "puff the
magic dragon" stuff.....

peace-

karrie

hey, that reminds me, i thought of another "mondeindigo" the other night too.

from my initial screwed up hearing of dead man's hill: 'empty cans of
chardonay, find them in the heat of day...'

~abigail

****************in the words of emily saliers:******************

"there i am in younger days
stargazing, painting picture perfect maps
of how my life and love would be
not counting the unmarked paths of misdirection
my compass, faith in love's perfection
i missed ten million miles of road i should've seen"

when i was working at the rock n' roll house, the "act" had to be off the
stage at midnight if it was a one show night..it was at that point that
the union crews started into overtime..which costs mucho buckos..there
were specific clauses in the contracts with the act that if they went
over time,,they picked up the extra tab...
could be what amy was referring to..
pooh

i wanted to write this letter because i've seen a lot of washington people
on here and what i have to say is informitive and quite entertaining i must say.

on wednesday we had a gorverners forum at my highschool (capitol high,
olywa) and gary locke, the woman canidate and jay inslee were there.
the high moment came when a student asked the canidates about their opinion
on same sex marages.
inslee did a pretty little tap dance around the entire question.
locke to my surprise said he would sign a bill in favor of same sex marages.
and the woman (didn't bother to remember her name) started on a story about
her friend who was gay and is now so much happier that she is "normal". told
us that homosexuals live 35 years shorter than "normal" people. that aids is
a homosexual disease. and that passing a bill to okay same sex marrages
would encourage more people to be gay.
now i can only laugh at her ignorance. though i was sad to hear that so many
people in my school clapped when she said this.

just wanted to share this. i was excited to see that a woman was running for
governor, until she opened her mouth.

hollie

"to thine own self be true"
-shakespeare

at 07:31 pm 9/14/96 -0500, you wrote:
>hey, that reminds me, i thought of another "mondeindigo" the other night too.
>
>>from my initial screwed up hearing of dead man's hill: 'empty cans of
>chardonay, find them in the heat of day...'
>
>
>~abigail

hey, i got one from that song too...
"empty cans of charred remains, five men in the heat of day..."

whoops!

and my friend sang thin line like this:
"oooh..the separation of thin lines" instead of "...of desires..."

we could write books of these!!

have an indigo evening!
tiff

> i am male, straight, conservative, ex-navy man (and proud), i do not
support
> greenpeace, i am not in favor of same sex marriages, i like david
letterman
> and howard stern, i love playing and watching ice hockey, and i love the
> indigo girls and their music. why is that so bad? why is it contradictory
> for a person to be straight and conservative and also like the indigo
girls?
>
>
> while i may not agree with most of this group on political issues, i
respect
> the fact that people have different opinions, and it doesn't mean that i
> consider a person who supports same sex marriages and greenpeace as an
enemy
> not worthy of any social redeeming value. but the point is, the political
> did enjoy the other posts about the indigo girls and their terrific music.

michael, i gotta agree with you. i am also a straight male who loves ig and
their music. this is a great list when it deals with ig and their music, (and
music in general) but as you say it often strays off into very politcal
topics.

it seems all this political baggage has attached itself to ig. and given all
that, it's sometimes tough to remain an ig fan. i''ve stayed on the list and
i just ignore the political content because theres a lot of good, interesting
discussions here.

i'm glad you posted your message because i've kind of thought the same thing
for some time.

jerry d.

>from my initial screwed up hearing of dead man's hill: 'empty cans of
>chardonay, find them in the heat of day...'
>
>
>~abigail
>

chardonay comes in cans now!!! where can i find some??

--reggi :)
*********************
usa women's soccer #1
*********************

well i can tell you, that they have definitely played more than 1200 shows.
if you've ever watched watershed, amy talks about it saying,

"well we've played about 200shows for 15 years so is that 3000 shows or
30,000 shows or i don't know....." and then they keep playing pool. so it
can't refer to the number of shows they've ever played.

hey ya'll-

hammer and a nail is my downfall......and thanks to susan marine's tag
on her sig line, i now know the correct words.....

"now i know a refuge never grows, from a tin can and a water hose...
gotta tend the earth if you wanna growwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww....."

yup, i believe i am stupid. :)

can i be president of pwcdigla?

peace and indigo evening......

karrie

ps. i can't believe i am still on this computer.....it's only been 7 hours.

"water retention is not new to me....."

-emily saliers

while sifting through 900 mail messages, i inadvertently deleted the mail
message from some kind soul about a url that had info on free email
addresses. the url was found on the minnesota vikings list... i can't
recall who sent the message. can someone who has this info please mail me
the address. thanks in advance.

peace,
amy

ps- i'm down to 358 messages now. yay! *yawn*

we've probably done this thread before, but i was just listening to 1200c
and remain in total awe of their talent and skill.  when i listen to
"dead man's hill" and "down by the river" i just loose my breath during
emily's solo.  when she starts her awesome fingering and the skill and
timing in which she does it, i feel a lump in my throat, a pain in my
chest and i start breathing heavy.  i get that feeling again at the end
of "down by the river", when a&e are singing the last line.  the harmony
is at its best.  i just find myself clenching my teeth and not breathing.
i just get so overwhelmed by emotion by their talent - it's something
that i don't normally experience.

when i was young and into abba, it was a happy-go-lucky fun type of music
(not to mention that benny was so damn cute!).  when i was into dan
fogelberg, i learned and fell in love with the acoustic guitar and
interesting lyrics (not to mention he was so damn cute!).  then i got
into a group probably only a few of you recognize - renaissance.  they
are a progressive rock band from england that was a hit with the college
crowd in the 70's.  their use of classical pieces and a full orchestra
plus their using the bass as a lead guitar (yea, he was cute too!) and
great lead vocals- - they were perfect.  i still am in love with their
music today.  (i recommend them if you're looking for a different type of
music.)  i often find myself losing my breath with this group too.

what is it with musicians like these? musicians/artist that make us to
steal away from our day to day lives to get lost in their music. what is
in us that tune out our friends, relatives, husbands/wives/etc.,
customers (not that i've done this ya see <g>) to listen to one hint of
an ig song or a solo or a piece of their perfect harmony?

i think for me, the "10,000 miles that i should have seen" was my love
with music as a kid and wanting to be the one who wrote great music,
played guitar like emily and sang with as much passion as a&e.  i didn't
have the talent or patience to take that path in the road - so i took
another.  but i think, for me, that's why i lose my breath when i hear
emily play a passionate solo.  i wish it were me...

peace,
- jen hall

hi!  if just returned from watching kristen hall at eddie's attic in
decatur, ga.  some of you may have heard her at the atlanta pride
celebration, but those who have not need to invest in her 2 c.d.'s (tapes)
that are still available {fact and fiction and be careful what you wish
for...}.  she is fantastic live, and the only thing that i have heard that
was better her singing with the indigo girls on southern man at pride.  if
you ever get the chance go see her.

for those that where wondering her first album {real life stuff} is no
longer available on daemon records. i have not been able to find it on
anything else yet. if anyone has let me know.

--
forever searching for the truth,

kristen
#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-
kristen adkins           "when your whole life is on the tip of your tongue
324403 gt station         empty pages of the no longer young
atlanta, ga 30332-1005    the apathy of time laughed in your face
                           did you hear me say each life has it's place
gt4403e@prism.gatech.edu           -indigo girls "virginia woolf"
-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#

hey y'all! i would like to take this opportunity to thank all the lovely
sould who sent me such wonderful flames. now i feel a part of a whole. i
would have loved to thank everyone personally, but i received so many great
flames, that it would take me days to do it. thanks sooooo much!

jendy

ummm i meant souls not sould. sorry for the waste of bandwidth. didn't want
to get flamed for spelling :-/

jendy

>hey y'all! i would like to take this opportunity to thank all the lovely
>sould who sent me such wonderful flames. now i feel a part of a whole. i
>would have loved to thank everyone personally, but i received so many great
>flames, that it would take me days to do it. thanks sooooo much!
>
>jendy
>
>--
>administrative requests should not be sent to the list!
>to unsubscribe, send email to listserv@netspace.org
> with the line: signoff indigo-girls
>
>

i was sitting in my kitchen reading the newspaper while my aunt watched
the miss america beauty whatever. it had come to the question and response
part and naturally i became intrigued with what exactly these ladies would
say. i hoped that some of their brains were slightly larger than their bra
size. . . .but i was wrong.

each contestant had a "platform". these "platforms" where issues that
they were concerned about. the other 3 ladies went and then it came to the
queen flake, miss kansas. her platform was illiteracy.

the question was:
how would you deal with the problem of a child who couldn't read?

now, it's not that hard of a question. here is a brief section of what she
said:

"this is a huge problem that affects so many americans. first i would counsel
a child and tell them that they can achieve anything that they set their mind
on. next i'd give them a copy of my book. . . .or maybe audio tape to help
them realize how dreams can come true."

at this point i was laughing hysterically on my chair. soon i was joined
by my sister in the fun of making a joke of this big haired, brain-dead
woman.

then, my laughing stopped. huh. . .miss kansas went on to become miss
america. in doing so she recieved the largest scholarship a woman can recieve
in this superfical nation we live in. am i bitter, yes. i'm bitter because
she has a tight butt and bad hair and can get $40,000 dollars for education
when it is clear that she is stupid!!!!! stupid!!!! stupid!!!!

as i listened to regis sing that damn awful song some of the lyrics went,
"there she is the ideal, the perfect image of a million young girls."

whoa. . .kinda frightning!!!

smiles : )
annemarie

guys:

i am sort of contemplating this amy and emily smoking dope thing. i don't
know. i mean, if they do, i don't believe it is for the grand idea of
lyric searching or exploring the "other side" or anything....rather, due to
their love and "practicing" of native american culture, maybe they see it
on more of a natural level.... like peyote, peace pipes, that sort of thing.

besides, i would rather they smoke marijuana than joe camel like me. at least
they probably don't wake up every morning coughing up a lung.

peace and love to the earth-

karrie

jen hall wrote:
<<i think for me, the "10,000 miles that i should have seen" was my love with
music as a kid and wanting to be the one who wrote great music, played guitar
like emily and sang with as much passion as a&e.  i didn't have the talent or
patience to take that path in the road - so i took another.  but i think, for
me, that's why i lose my breath when i hear emily play a passionate solo.  i
wish it were me...>>

girl, i don't care if you're 15, 25, 35, 75, or 105, it's never too late to
take yourself up on a dream. that's what dreams are for... i consider it a
mortal sin to ignore them!

what's a couple of years?  if you pick up the guitar right now, even if you
think you have no talent... (which i think you do simply from the fact that
you can observe and feel what music is supposed to do, transport people to
another place...if you can feel it, you can do it!)... you can be playing in
local clubs in what will seem like no time.  the beauty of the musical
revolution of the last generation or two is that you're free to play two or
three chords and sing off key, just put some passion into it!  people will
connect, they will pay to see someone who believes in themselves, perhaps
because they fully may not...they want....no, need you to take them there.

don't buy it? take a hint from emily:

"i had a lot of good intentions
sit around for fifty years and then collect a pension,
started seeing the road to hell and just where it starts.
but my life is more than a vision
the sweetest part is acting after making a decision
i started seeing the whole as a sum of its parts...."
(hammer and a nail)

go for it!

peace awn,
aras

--
administrative requests should not be sent to the list!
to unsubscribe, send email to listserv@netspace.org
        with the line: signoff indigo-girls
=========================================================================
date:         sun, 15 sep 1996 09:57:19 -0400
reply-to:     michael reynolds <asl@umcs.maine.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         michael reynolds <asl@umcs.maine.edu>
subject:      re: hampton boot?
x-to:         swardrop@sps.edu
in-reply-to:  <v01530502ae60bdbc928d@[199.95.40.23]> from "sarah wardrop" at
              sep 14, 96 02:55:47 pm

my master is not as good as some others out there, i believe someone else on
the list posted she taped it, and to get into the "it's a small world when"
track one guy i met at a rem show and told me he tapes stuff and was going
to get in touch when he started his masters program last year. well we put 2
and 2 together and he has a small ig collection (lots of stuff that is
uncirculating, meaning there is little overlap between our collections.) he
is getting hampton from a friend and i will try and see what i can do to
seed a tape.
miker

--
administrative requests should not be sent to the list!
to unsubscribe, send email to listserv@netspace.org
        with the line: signoff indigo-girls
=========================================================================
date:         sun, 15 sep 1996 14:06:55 -0400
reply-to:     christine talbot <talbotc@umich.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         christine talbot <talbotc@umich.edu>
subject:      re: "map"
x-to:         anna hidalgo <ahidalgo@fc.emc.com.ph>
in-reply-to:  <53149.62460577@fc.emc.com.ph>

hey listees:

> i think that they're calling the new album "map" also because, like rop, a lot
> of the songs seem to fit a certain theme -- in this case, as i remember emily
> saying in an interview, about travelling. some songs that have that kind of
> thread are winthrop, hey kind friend, leeds, chiapas bound, and of course,
> get out the map. so, "map" seemed like a good album title.
>
can you get more specific about the rop thing?  it always seemed one of
the least consistent theme-wise to me.  in fact, that's why (extinguisher
in hand, pin pulled) it's prolly my least favorite.  i can see where maybe
three hits and virginia woolf fit together, let it be me and airplane and
r&j, while perhaps good songs, don't seem to me to fit on the album at
all, especially the raw style of r&j against the variety of
instrumentation on the rest of the album.  but maybe it's just me.  give
it a whirl, y'all, and let me know.  am i missing the boat?

yours,
chris ii

creechal@cc.emu.edu (chickensoprano):
"well there's always retrospect to light a clearer path.
every five years or so i look back on my life and i have a good laugh
you start at the top, go full circle round, catch a breeze, take a spill
but ending up where i started again makes me wanna stand still..."

(_watershed_)

:) :) :)

--
kirsten chevalier kirsten@olaf.wellesley.edu
"of the seven deadly sins, lust is definitely the pick of the litter."
--tom robbins
http://wilbur.wellesley.edu/n-z/t1kchevalier/t1kchevalier.html

i've always thought of the songs on rop as having a very "earthy" sound to
them. from amy, jonas & ezekial, chickenman, 3 hits, and ceder tree all seem
to tie together, and a lot of emily's songs (ghost, love will come to you,
virginia woolf) seem more reflective and remeniscent of something. i don't
know if i could nail it down to one major theme, but the songs on rights on
passage just blend together in a way that i like a lot. anyone else get what
i'm talking about?

~abigail

at 02:06 pm 9/15/96 -0400, you wrote:
>hey listees:
>
>> i think that they're calling the new album "map" also because, like rop,
a lot
>> of the songs seem to fit a certain theme -- in this case, as i remember emily
>> saying in an interview, about travelling. some songs that have that kind of
>> thread are winthrop, hey kind friend, leeds, chiapas bound, and of course,
>> get out the map. so, "map" seemed like a good album title.
>>
>can you get more specific about the rop thing?  it always seemed one of
>the least consistent theme-wise to me.  in fact, that's why (extinguisher
>in hand, pin pulled) it's prolly my least favorite.  i can see where maybe
>three hits and virginia woolf fit together, let it be me and airplane and
>r&j, while perhaps good songs, don't seem to me to fit on the album at
>all, especially the raw style of r&j against the variety of
>instrumentation on the rest of the album.  but maybe it's just me.  give
>it a whirl, y'all, and let me know.  am i missing the boat?
>
>yours,
>chris ii
>
>--
>administrative requests should not be sent to the list!
>to unsubscribe, send email to listserv@netspace.org
>        with the line: signoff indigo-girls
>
>
****************in the words of emily saliers:******************

in a message dated 96-09-15 14:44:56 edt, you write:

>can you get more specific about the rop thing?  it always seemed one of
>the least consistent theme-wise to me.  in fact, that's why (extinguisher
i don't know...yes, it seems less tied together to me.  however, rop is
probably my favorite, second possibly to so, which i will always adore :)  i
think in rop, there's a lot of the whole traveling along a path
theme...virginia woolf is her "rebirth", nashville is moving away from a
negative place, towards better things, airplane is getting over a fear, let
it be me is another sort of community song like hammer and a nail, which can
be seen as moving towards a better society, galileo literally is traveling
:), ghost, while it's about being haunted by someone's memory, seems to me
like a catharsis, a way to maybe let go of these memories.  jonas and
ezekial...didn't in the 1200c notes, amy write something about writing this
on the road, looking at tombstones?  it feels like a travel song.  lwcty -
helping someone else move on?  chickenman, road song.  joking - eh,
wishywashy, but could be taken like looking back at someone and realizing
that what they said and did wasn't necessarily the best.  three hits, r&j,
and cedar tree i think are just great songs that add to the album.  nothing
can be fully themed, right?  i didn't ever consider albums as themed before,
but since a&e wrote the songs on each album for the most part in the same
time frame, there probably is some continuity because of what each was doing
in her life at the time.  just imho :)
love katy  (who just realized that she can listen to power of two - finally!
- and smile instead of grimace!  em really knew what she was doing when she
wrote lwcty for that woman she met with a broken heart :)

kristen

the tape of real life stuff is available from ladyslipper, they tell me
there are no more cds http://www.ladyslipper.org/

i am my usual downunder oz green with envy colour.

hope this helps

sue (still needing a sig)

for those that where wondering her first album {real life stuff} is no
longer available on daemon records. i have not been able to find it on
anything else yet. if anyone has let me know.

-- forever searching for the truth,

kristen

chris ii writes:
>can you get more specific about the rop thing? it always seemed one of
>the least consistent theme-wise to me.

you're right, i actually never "got" the theme or the reason for calling it
"rites of passage" either. the way i remember hearing/reading amy explain it
is something like this: generally the songs are about transitions from one
stage to another -- from life to non-life (galileo, three hits, cedar tree,
perhaps even chickenman a bit); marriage to non-marriage (ghost, love will
come to you, romeo and juliet, perhaps also joking -- though it seems to be
more about friendship than a love relationship). some of the other songs are
about other kinds of rites, growing up type stuff, like "virginia woolf" and
"nashville" (though this song is much older, amy said it never seemed to fit
in an album before). one could even construe airplane as a kind of rite,
where emily faces her fear of flying.

does that make any sense? hope it helped a bit! anyone, please feel free to
react/add ...

anna

hey, it's been a while since i posted last. reason 1: busy, busy, busy,
reason 2: i don't like to argue, and besides i signed some agreement
with my school that i wouldn't invite or participate in flames. :-)
guess i'll always be a newbie. i don't exactly know what they meant,
though. i believe in tolerance of others ideas and lifestyles. i see no
reason why gay people cannot get married, like we used to say in
elementary school, it's a free country, or at least it used to be. well,
i'm trying to learn ctf on the guitar, and i'm going to take community
lessons in october. i still have a story that i want to tell about pot,
but i will make myself be patient.

i'm with the youngsters on this one.

sue jackel

<< i have just got live bait - caroline is a diva. tell me about danielle
howle. who is she similar to? >>

i am reminded of ellen mclwaine (sp?). but when i mention this to folks
they look at me in a vacant manner. (youngsters !)

bjinsky (who also thinks diamanda galas sounds like a mutant eartha
kitt...... maybe nina haagen meets eartha kitt ...whatever it is...i like
it !:)

hey ! i'm not getting my usual reams of mail today....something is very
spooky here.......

-- administrative requests should not be sent to the list! to unsubscribe,
send email to listserv@netspace.org with the line: signoff
indigo-girls

in a message dated 96-09-15 14:44:56 edt, you write:

>can you get more specific about the rop thing?
>it always seemed one of the least consistent theme
>wise to me.

i seem to recall, from the "coffeehouse" interview, that
they toyed with calling the album, "boo" because of all
the ghost imagery.

amy vetoed that name but later joked about calling
it, "buckets of snot" because they both had a cold
during parts of the sessions.

i think "rites of passage was a much better choice...

michael :-)

i used to think (actually, until a few days ago.... *ducking head in shame*)
that in
"thin line," they said:

"i thought the time was past when i could...
find beauty in the birds"(which made perfect sense to me!)

...instead of "...find beauty in a verse." (which actually fits the next line
about the stage and scenery much better!!)

peace, paper-writing procrastination, and mr. limes,
tamara
(who has, until now, resisted making myself look *stupider* than necessary by
listing my misheard lyrics... mostly cause i have such a horrible memory that i
can't even remember what they are, but i know i have a whole weird brain full of
'em)... now i'm totally bummed and repeating to myself, "you can remember
things... you remember well... you have a great memory!!" (total
self-affirmation) : )

wait a minute!!!!! it's not "find beauty in the birds??" it made so much
sense to me. well i guess "verse" makes more sense but still! geeeeez! makes
me wonder how many more lyrics i've been screwing up...

feeling stupid (again),

jendy

>i used to think (actually, until a few days ago.... *ducking head in shame*)
>that in
>"thin line," they said:
>
>"i thought the time was past when i could...
>find beauty in the birds"(which made perfect sense to me!)
>
>...instead of "...find beauty in a verse." (which actually fits the next line
>about the stage and scenery much better!!)

-------------------------------------------------------
        "i want a party with rooms full of laughter,
         ten thousand tons of ice cream,
         and if i don't get the things i am after,
         i'm going to scream..."

--
administrative requests should not be sent to the list!
to unsubscribe, send email to listserv@netspace.org
        with the line: signoff indigo-girls
=========================================================================
date:         sun, 15 sep 1996 15:56:11 -0700
reply-to:     gwendigo <gkeyt@paul.spu.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         gwendigo <gkeyt@paul.spu.edu>
subject:      very nigc -->re: washington governors
x-to:         hollie huthman <kschultz@halcyon.com>
in-reply-to:  <199609150037.aa19691@halcyon.com>

the woman candidate you refer to is named ellen craswell and she is
extremely conservative. i think she is the most conservative candidate on
the ballot. don't forget our state's history with women governors...our
only one to date was dixie lee ray in the late 70s and she was also pretty
conservative.

i had already decided to vote for gary locke and i am really glad he
answered the question directly and honestly. as king co. executive i have
been impressed with his (apparant) honesty and straight-forwardness, and i
think he is the most solid candidate on the docket. i like norm rice a
lot as a mayor but i don't think he is quite ready for the governor
position.

wow! what a cool thing for your hs to arrange a debate with the
gubernatorial candidates (some of them). that's a great opportunity and a
smart move on the candidates' part.

> i wanted to write this letter because i've seen a lot of washington people
> on here and what i have to say is informitive and quite entertaining i must say.
>
> on wednesday we had a gorverners forum at my highschool (capitol high,
> olywa) and gary locke, the woman canidate and jay inslee were there.
> the high moment came when a student asked the canidates about their opinion
> on same sex marages.
> inslee did a pretty little tap dance around the entire question.
> locke to my surprise said he would sign a bill in favor of same sex marages.
> and the woman (didn't bother to remember her name) started on a story about
> her friend who was gay and is now so much happier that she is "normal". told
> us that homosexuals live 35 years shorter than "normal" people. that aids is
> a homosexual disease. and that passing a bill to okay same sex marrages
> would encourage more people to be gay.
> now i can only laugh at her ignorance. though i was sad to hear that so many
> people in my school clapped when she said this.
>
> just wanted to share this. i was excited to see that a woman was running for
> governor, until she opened her mouth.
>
>
> hollie
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "to thine own self be true"
> -shakespeare
>
> --
> administrative requests should not be sent to the list!
> to unsubscribe, send email to listserv@netspace.org
> with the line: signoff indigo-girls
>

--
administrative requests should not be sent to the list!
to unsubscribe, send email to listserv@netspace.org
        with the line: signoff indigo-girls
=========================================================================
date:         sun, 15 sep 1996 15:37:25 -0700
reply-to:     gwendigo <gkeyt@paul.spu.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         gwendigo <gkeyt@paul.spu.edu>
subject:      re: mr. lime returns...
x-to:         "amy \"iggy\" vorpagel" <99vorpag@lab.cc.wmich.edu>
in-reply-to:  <pine.sun.3.92.960914163005.16589a-100000@grog>

i've been meaning to post my latest mr. limes and this was just the
reminder i needed.

fugitive: of a common thrust, cameras or guns....

ig, i really like that lotk one... :)

on sat, 14 sep 1996, amy "iggy" vorpagel wrote:

> okay, i've got a couple lines that i can come up with at the moment...
> yes, i know i am way behind. forgive me...
>
> language or the kiss: i said to you the one gift, the china doll...
>
> wood song: highway construction of this naked plan was built by other than
> the creator's hand.
>
> don't ask about the second one. i don't know from which demented part of
> my brain that came from. :)
>
> peace,
> amy
>
> --
> administrative requests should not be sent to the list!
> to unsubscribe, send email to listserv@netspace.org
> with the line: signoff indigo-girls
>

somebody said:

>>so, they named the album after the amount of "curfews" they've broken. they
>>broke a curfew in buffalo, ny in 1994, and amy got into an argument with one
>>of the security guards over it...they are now banned from playing that venue
>>again. interesting, huh?

actually, they did not break a curfew in that case.  in that venue (shea's),
they covered up the orchestra pit for the ig show.  the girls performed on
the real stage, so there was actually a large area of stage over the
orchestra pit in between ig and the audience (bert and i should know - we
were front and center :).  when they played ctf, people from the audience
climbed onto the temporary stage to dance.  apparently, this was the second
time this happened here, so security got pissed and banned ig forever.

i don't believe any curfews were broken. they did make fun of me without
actually saying her name, though. :-) :-)

whatever,

:dwayne

djarrell@ix.netcom.com
"you can spend your time alone redigesting past regrets,
or you can realize you're the only one who can forgive yourself
makes much more sense to live in the present tense" - pearl jam

--
administrative requests should not be sent to the list!
to unsubscribe, send email to listserv@netspace.org
        with the line: signoff indigo-girls
=========================================================================
date:         sun, 15 sep 1996 22:38:20 edt
reply-to:     tamara mizell <103660.214@compuserve.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         tamara mizell <103660.214@compuserve.com>
subject:      sigc:  info for atlanta/decatur trip.... scary english
              majors/guitar players...

hi folks!

my most awesome brother has invited me to go with him to atlanta/decatur on
october 5th and 6th (possibly 4th).  i'm wondering if any of y'all who live in
that area (and i know there are plenty of you!) could give me some advice on
cool places to go there and how to get to them.  i'd like to check out eddie's
attic.  does anyone know if any good performers will be there on oct. 5 or 6?

since i will only be there one weekend, i may not get to do much, but i'd
appreciate suggestions!! any help would be great!

still procrastinating,
tamara
(who currently is *supposed* to be writing about "the extent to which the
disillusionment/tragedy of the protagonist in both joyce's "araby" and
faulkner's "a rose for emily" are caused by a conflict between illusion and
reality"..... and i chose to be an english major?  : )  deep down, i must love
it... though right now, i'd rather be playing my guitar!  ahem... maybe i'll
incorporate this into a song!   *grin*
***********singing *horribly* a la phoebe from "friends":
...."oh emily, why'd you go and kill homer like that?...
and little boy in 'araby', aren't you angry that joyce didn't even give you a
name,
so everytime i write about you, i have to redundantly refer to you as 'the boy
in 'araby''.... do do do da.... do do da..."  : )

[delurk]

anna hidalgo <ahidalgo@fc.emc.com.ph> wrote:

[things about rop]

> does that make any sense? hope it helped a bit! anyone, please feel
> free to react/add ...

i will add this from their own words. at the ban the dam jam on oct. 7
1991 in the beacon theater in nyc, which i was fortunate enough to be
at, i seem to recall that after they said "ok, time for new songs" and
everyone went crazy, they talked about the upcoming album, rop. i think
there's a boot out there somewhere of this show if anyone cares to look
it up. as i remember it, emily (i think) said the album was all about
ghosts and she started kidding around about ooh, spooky. but she's
right. i mean, "ghost" is obvious, and "galileo" and "virginia woolf"
are also about being influenced by people who are, um, passed on.

in the definitely quite possible case that i'm misremembering these
comments of emily (wrong show, wrong album, wrong year, or entirely
wrong subspace quantum state, etc.) pls flame.

dave "need a sig file" van hemel

[relurk]

on sep 13, 1996 22:09:37, 'atlmouse@aol.com' wrote:

>many artists smoke
>dope to get in touch with that "other side".

i have a problem with that.  i hate to come in on this thread a little
late, but it's something i feel rather strongly about.  i must confess that
most of my favorite music was written whilst on drugs (i refer not to the
ig, i don't know there...) but i still don't like it.  i mean, what's
important to me is the music, not the "other side" that people need to
reach.  to give an example, i went on a bonding trip recently, and one of
the rules was that drugs weren't allowed (never mind that whole legal
thing...)  the reason i didn't want them there, among others, was that i
don't want to bond with someone who's stoned... i mean, it's not them
totally...  i admit not to having any experience, but i still don't like
it.  in addition, i can't imagine why someone would even bother
differentiating between smoking and toking...  i mean, it's bad regardless,
and equally unacceptable to me... sorry to post so much junk mail... just
mho...  have a nice day,

alec

first of all, somebody flame me for thinking my test in atomic physics was
thursday and in fact it is tuesday, damn it!!!

okay, so now that's over with. i want to say a few words about "joking"...

i've always seen it as kind of an abstract song which could be applied to
either love or friendships.  i have been "kissed like a soldier headed for
war" only to wonder if i meant anything to the person the next day (namely
my ex of now seven months).  i indeed was a "dying (wo)man and i didn't know
what for" because it took me absolutely too long to realize i didn't need that
jerk in my life!  and he'd always have something to say like "good friends are
hard to come by"...and in the final weeks of the relationship, i just wanted
to throw this song at him and say, okay, this is what the past year has been
like...i wonder if you've meant a thing you've said.

hand it to ig for having a song for every occasion!

now back to writing the lab report from hell...
a very tired mary |)

*****************************************************************
                                          ___
mary elizabeth kushman                   <|||>
"hey!  come see my ultrasonic frogs!"    <|||>
          (coming soon)                   |||       |~
university scholar 1994                   |||      o
bs physics, class of 1998                 |||
east carolina university                 _|||_          ___
greenville, north carolina              / ||| \         | |
compuserve:  102433.634@compuserve.com  | ||| |        o o
bitnet:  ugkushma@ecuvm1                / ||| \
internet:  ugkushma@ecuvm.cis.ecu.edu  /  |||  \
                                       |  ---  |    |~
the "er"--been there, done that!        \_____/    o

"always tell the truth and be true." emily saliers
"color me grey, i'm a little bit of everything today..." amy ray
*****************************************************************

p.s. no offense to gerard mchugh, but i think i'm still gonna
sing "...birds!" really loudly cause i love nature so much
(hmmm.... although i may alternate, cause i find beauty in a
verse pretty frequently as well *grin*) <ducks flamage from
those who are lyrically-correct>

tamara, a.k.a. the lyric protestor
a.k.a. reigning "queen of procrastination"

well, i must add both my significant other and myself to the list of
those who thought it was "find beauty in the birds" -- that's sure what
it sounds like, and that's what i've been singing all this time! so
those of you who've already confessed to this one, don't feel like the
lone ranger! (i still like "birds")...

cyndi

hi sarah

haven't heard from you so it's good to hear you alive and well.

i think this is rubbing it in (do you use this expression in the us).

i have wendy bucklew on order - hhhhhhhhhhhhh

green as usual
sue

hello, all! =)       okay, life in atlanta is great! =)  not only do i get
to see wendy bucklew saturday night, but i'm going to see michelle tomorrow
night!!!!!!!!!! =) eeeeeeeeeee!!!! =)  i saw toots and the maytals
tonight... i might try to go see k's choice saturday... they're doing a free
show at caribou coffee in va highlands.  i would love to see 'em... just
wanted to see if anyone else was going to see michelle or wendy or k's
choice... anyone?  anyone?  bueller?  i don't have this month's eddie's
calendar, so if anyone knows of anything important coming up, feel free to
let me know... =)  i think that's all.  if anyone wants michelle tapes
("strange bird" and "dredge"), please try to let me know by tomorrow around
2:30 est so i can get them. =)  that's all.  peace, love, and aspirin, sarah

in a message dated 96-09-15 22:47:00 edt, dragonman wrote :

<< i don't believe any curfews were broken. they did make fun of me without
actually saying her name, though. :-) :-) >>

ooooh the dirt ! now of course we want the whole amusing anecdote !

pleeeeeze !

binky

" hide all the knives..'cause baby's insane.."

in a message dated 96-09-15 22:17:53 edt, 103660.214@compuserve.com (tamara
mizell) writes:

i always sang "...beauty in the birds," too, so it appears that you're not
alone. i am infamous for my misheard (and made up) lyrics!

-margot

watch me resist all this silly debating...

instead i will tell you all that caroline aiken played in l.a. last
week and just was absolutely phenomenal. i even got to talk to her a bit
after and she said she was just delighted by the internet and the exposure
it has given her and others. (she really didn't use the word
delighted, but you get the idea.) which is quite obvious by the little
message we got the next day anyway. she rules, so buy her cd.

as for the nonsense (good lord can we be any more judgmental!) (oops,
i'm shouting i'm shouting i'm shout--) i will comment only on this:
have any of y'all actually listened to the modern rock live show? the
snippet on 1200 curfews is taken so far out of context it's not even
funny, and i remember being struck by that when i first heard the cd.
prior to the "let's see if it paid off" comment they had all had a jovial
discussion about emily taking classical guitar for like a year when she
was twelve, she did it for her dad, amy chimes in how it's not necessary,
emily agrees it helped her technique and is not necessary, etc. tom
calderone, the host, is rad and he said what he said in a light-hearted
friendly way.

--------->you can hear this for yourself if you would like a copy of
the tape, which i am willing to make for anyone who needs to be
enlightened to the virtues of modern rock live. <-------------

if anyone has something to trade, i will in turn be in the top ten
happiest pot-smokers around.

so don't be throwing stones,
linda

        **they're just fanatics acting fanatically. they give
          bona-fide paranoids like myself a bad name...**
                                        --mulder

as i remember it, emily (i think) said the album was all about
ghosts and she started kidding around about ooh, spooky. but she's
right. i mean, "ghost" is obvious, and "galileo" and "virginia woolf"
are also about being influenced by people who are, um, passed on.

don't forget "jonas and ezekial"...."i'm not ready for the dead to show its face...who's angel are you anyway..."

--
administrative requests should not be sent to the list!
to unsubscribe, send email to listserv@netspace.org
with the line: signoff indigo-girls

--
administrative requests should not be sent to the list!
to unsubscribe, send email to listserv@netspace.org
        with the line: signoff indigo-girls
=========================================================================
date:         mon, 16 sep 1996 10:16:54 -0400
reply-to:     queen minerva <amytryon@phoenix.princeton.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         queen minerva <amytryon@phoenix.princeton.edu>
subject:      re: birds or verse?
x-to:         cyndi johnson <cyndigo@txdirect.net>
in-reply-to:  <323ce166.7144@txdirect.net>

me too, and i also thought that instead of "i was hoping i was just a
temporary absentee" that the line went "i was hoping i was jealous, a
temporary absentee", which doesn't really make any sense, but i still
like it. :)

peace,
amy

on mon, 16 sep 1996, cyndi johnson wrote:

> well, i must add both my significant other and myself to the list of
> those who thought it was "find beauty in the birds" -- that's sure what
> it sounds like, and that's what i've been singing all this time!  so
> those of you who've already confessed to this one, don't feel like the
> lone ranger!  (i still like "birds")...
>
> cyndi
>
> --
> administrative requests should not be sent to the list!
> to unsubscribe, send email to listserv@netspace.org
>         with the line: signoff indigo-girls
>

okay, time for me to shamefully admit that not only did i also think it =
was "beauty in the birds....", but i also like it a hell of a lot more.  =
only because it relates more directly to my own life.  i guess that's =
the way i'll always hear it.  anyone disagree?  maybe its time for my =
initiation flame.....

another misheard lyric...
"from in silence and sisters sweetheart, time is not on my side"
don't ask...=20
=20

greta

"i was a priest. i thought about god and sex all the time...."
-amy ray

apparently my brain operates on a wavelength of its own, 'cause instead
of "...find beauty in the verse..." or "...beauty in the birds..."
i thought it was "...beauty in the words..." , which is kinda like verse,
but still wrong.

ok, i guess i'll go fall asleep in class now...

happy day,
jennie

this is silliness but i'm going to stick my beak in here...go get 1200
right now and listen...it's "birds", it is most definetly "birds"! you all
are not crazy. maybe gerard wrote "verse" but that's not what's sung. and
ya know what else? amy sings it! :)

deb

on thu, 12 sep 1996, i (betsy bertiaux) wrote:

warning***** this is an election year!!!!!! i also don't see why clinton
can't stall signing doma until the election is over, then "change his mind"
and send it back. at least he wouldn't be alienating the lowly 10% that

and then...

on mon, 16 sep 1996, linda ( napikosk <napikosk@scf-fs.usc.edu>) wrote:

well, i haven't taken gov't class for a while, but last time i checked
the president only has x amount of days to sign or veto a bill...

last week, cynthia crecca, tutored me privately about this stuff, and i'm
all better.  i should have paid more attention to "schoolhouse rock" than
scooby doo (damn that thelma).   so i recind most of my above comment, as
it was ignorant blathering.  at the risk of flamation (yeah, yeah, i know),
i will stick with "warning*****   this is an election year!!!!!!"   i can't
help coming away with a feeling that alot of what is presently occuring
here and abroad is about self-preservation (getting votes in november)
above all else.  and this is sad.

betsy

-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_
..you see turning off the light switch is their only power
      when we stand like spotlights in a mighty tower
                       all for one and one for all
                    then we sing the common call.....
                                                             e. saliers
_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-

i hope this isn't overlooked as meaningless. this is my first letter and i
just wanted to say hi to everyone. the music of the indigo girls has been
special to me for a long time and i'm glad to be in touch with a group of
people that share the same feelings about it.
ryan knight

>
> well, i must add both my significant other and myself to the list of
> those who thought it was "find beauty in the birds" -- that's sure what
> it sounds like, and that's what i've been singing all this time! so
> those of you who've already confessed to this one, don't feel like the
> lone ranger! (i still like "birds")...
>
> cyndi
>

when i heard ig do it in austin at a sound check, i thought they said "words"
instead of "birds" or "verse". which sort of made more since, lyricly. i was
supprised when someone on the list posted the lyric as "birds". i thought, boy
i sure do feel dumb. not that that's changed. "verse" does seem to go more
with the overall theatrical theme of the rest of the song thought.

trant

right now i am looking at the cassette jacket for gerard mchugh's album _more
than i_ (a daemon release from 1991. :), and i am reading the lyrics of _thin
line_. (by the way, did you know that michelle malone sings with him on this
song for his album version? a&e sing on another song called "love is a
lion.")

anyway, unless gerard changed his mind sometime since then or a&e took the
liberty of changing it themselves, the truth is that -- according the the
lyrics published with the album -- it actually is "birds"! actually, it's
"bird." here are the lyrics in their entirety, for anyone who's interested:

i thought the time was past when
i could
find beauty in a bird
i set the stage and the scenery
rehearsing every word

but when i tried to make it more
well it was always less
'cause it's a thin line between
pleasing yourself
and pleasing somebody else

so with my confidence on fire
i set to fixin' up my roles
seperation (sic) of desires
just put me deeper in the hole

(chorus)

so now i'm trying to get back
to what i know that i should be
hoping to god that i was just
a temporary absentee

(chorus)

===

that's all folks! i could be wrong, but does amy sing something different in
the line that goes, "just put me deeper in the hole"? i seem to remember her
singing something like, "has lead me deeper down the hole." then again, i
could be completely wrong.

anna

--- you wrote:
(also - is anyone going to the 10/6 dar show in concord, nh?)

sarah wardrop
--- end of quoted material ---

hey hey sarah. i will be at dar with bells on. anyone else going? maybe we
could have a "i'm-at-dar-but-i-kinda-almost-wish-i-was-at-an-ig-show" get
together...

susanski
p.s. i'm just playing. dar is devine. resist that urge to flame me in defense
of dar, folks.

--- you wrote:
soon i was joined
by my sister in the fun of making a joke of this big haired, brain-dead
woman.
--- end of quoted material ---
yeah! that's the way to fight sexism....agree with it! support it! make fun of
women and the way they look and draw direct correlations between the value of
what they say and the way they look! thanks!!!!

this kind of comment hurts as much as blatant sexism. i hate the miss america
pageant too, but not because contestants have "big hair" and "tight butts".
that's not the problem!!!

sorry, had to get that off my chest.

susan "power to the sisters" marine
(and not apologizing for it, this time)
p.s. flames welcome if you feel you must

--
administrative requests should not be sent to the list!
to unsubscribe, send email to listserv@netspace.org
        with the line: signoff indigo-girls
=========================================================================
date:         mon, 16 sep 1996 15:34:06 -0400
reply-to:     von9@aol.com
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         von9@aol.com
subject:      fast and easy way to be debt free
x-to:         basque-l@cunyvm.cuny.edu, buffett@miamiu.acs.muohio.edu,
              costello-a@listserv.aol.edu, cats-l@stargame.com,
              darwin@yorku.ca, fantasy@ttacs6.ttu.edu,
              freestuff@primeserve.com, friends@caligari.dartmouth.edu,
              internet-advertising@netcom.com, internet-marketing@popco.com

***********************************************************************
i just received this e-mail and have desided to give it a try, if only to put
a dent in
my student load balance.  if you do send me a dollar, please tell me your
e-mail
address and i will e-mail everyone and let them know if it works...
wish me luck....denise
************************************************************************
hello! i've got some awesome news that i think you need to take two
minutes to read if you have ever thought "how could i make some
serious cash in a hurry???" , or been in serious debt,  ready to do
almost anything to get the money needed to pay off those bill
collectors. so grab a snack, a warm cup of coffee, or a glass of your
favorite beverage, get comfortable and listen to this interesting,
exciting find!
   let me start by saying that i finally found it! that's right!. i
found it! and i hate get rich quick schemes!! i hate those schemes
like multi-level marketing, mail-order schemes, envelope stuffing
scams, 900 number scams... the list goes on forever. i have tried
every darn get rich quick scheme out there over the past 12 years. i
somehow got on mailing lists for people looking to make money (more
like 'desperate stupid people who will try anything for money!').
well,  when i was a teenager,  these claims to 'get me rich quick'
sounded irresistible! i would shell out $14.95 here, $29.95 there,
$24.95 here, and another $49.95 there.  i had maxed out my new circuit
city card and my visa...i was desperate for money!!  so, i gave them
all a chance but failed at every one of them! maybe they worked for
some people, but not for me.  eventually, i just tossed that junk mail
in the trash when i got the mail.  i recognized it right away.  i can
smell a money scam from a mile away these days,  so i thought....
i thought i could sniff out a scam easily.  was i wrong!!  ....i love
the internet!!!

   i was scanning thru a newsgroup and saw an article stating to
get cash fast!!  i thought..."here on the internet??  well, i'll just
have to see what schemes could possibly be on the internet." the
article described a way to mail a one dollar bill to only five people
and make $50, 0000 in cash within 4 weeks!  well, the more i thought
about it, the more i became very curious. why? because of the way it
worked and because it would only cost me five dollars (and five
stamps), that's all i ever pay....ever!!

   ok, so the $50,000 in cash was maybe a tough amount to reach, but
it was possible.  i knew that i could at least get a return of $1,000
or so.  so i did it!! as per the instructions in the article, i mailed
out ('snail mail' for you e-mail fanatics) a single dollar bill to each
of the five people on the list that was contained in the article.  i
included a small note, with the dollar, that stated "please add me to
your list."  i then removed the first position name of the five names
listed and moved everyone up one position, and i put my name in
position five of the list.  this is how the money starts rolling in!
i then took this revised article now with my name on the list and
reposted it on as many newsgroups and local bulletin board
message areas that i knew.  i then waited to watch the money come
in...prepared to maybe receive about $1000 to $1500 in cash or so....
but what a welcome surprise when those envelopes kept coming in!!!  i
knew what they were as soon as i saw the return addresses from people
all over the world-most from the u.s., but some from canada, even some
>from  australia!  i tell you, that was exciting!!  so how much did i
get in total return?  $1000? $5000? not even!!! i received a total of
$23,343!!!  i couldn't believe it!!

   i now have a brand new black acura integra to speak for, due to
this!! now after almost 8 months, i am ready to do it again!!! so
maybe it was possible to get $50,000 in cash, i don't know, but  it
completely depends on you, the individual!  you must follow through
and repost this article everywhere you can think of!  the more
postings you achieve will determine how much cash will arrive in your
very own mailbox!!  it's just too easy to pass up!!!

   let's review the reasons why you should do this:  the only cost
factors are for the five stamps, the 5 envelopes and the 5 one dollar
bills that you send out to the listed names by snail mail (us postal
service mail).  then just simply repost the article (with your name
added) to all the newsgroups and local bbs's you can.  then sit back
and, (ironically), enjoy walking (you can run if you like! :o  ) down
your driveway to your mailbox and scoop up your rewards!!  we all have
five dollars to put into such an easy effortless investment with
spectacular realistic returns of $15,000 to $25,000 in about 3-5
weeks!  so hold off on those lottery numbers for today, eat at home
tonight instead of takeout from mcdonalds and invest five  dollars in
this amazing money making system now!!! you can't lose!!

so how do you do it exactly, you ask? i have carefully provided
the most detailed, yet straightforward instructions on how to easily
get this underway and get your cash on its way. so, are you ready to
make some cash!!!?? here we go!!!

*** the list of names is at the end of this article. ***

ok, read this carefully. get a printout of this information, if you
like, so you can easily refer to it as often as needed.

instructions:

1.  take a sheet of paper and write on it the following:
"please add my name to your list".  this creates a service out of this
money making system and thus making it completely legal. you are not
just randomly sending a dollar to someone, you are paying one dollar
for a legitimate service.  make sure  you include your name and
address.  i assure you that,  again,  this is completely legal!  for a
neat little twist, also write what slot their name was in: "you were
in slot 3",  just to add a little fun!  this is all about having fun
and making money at the same time!

2. now fold this sheet of paper around a dollar bill ,(no checks or
money orders), and put them into an envelope and send it on its way to
the five people listed. the folding of the paper around the bill will
insure its arrival to its recipient. this step is important!!

3.  now listen carefully, here's where you get your money coming to
your mailbox.   look at the list of five people;  remove the first
name from position one and move everyone on the list up slot one on
the list.  position 2 name will now move to the position 1 slot ,
position 3 will now become position 2, 4 will be 3, 5 will be 4.
now put your name, address, zipcode and country in position 5, the
bottom position on the list.

4.  now upload this updated file to as many newsgroups and local
bulletin boards' message areas & file section as possible.  give a
catchy description of the file so it gets noticed!!  such as:
"need fast cash?, here it is!" or "need cash to pay off
your debts??",  etc.  and the more uploads, the more money you will
make, and of course, the more money the others on the list will make
too.  let's all take care of each other by being honest and by putting
forth 120 percent into this profitable & amazing system!!! you'll reap
the benefits, believe me!!! set a goal for the number of total uploads
you'll post, such as 15-20 postings or more!  always have a goal in
mind!!! if you can uue encode the file when uploading,  that will make
it easier for the people to receive it and have it downloaded to their
hard drive.  that way they get a copy of the article right on their
computer without hassles of viewing and then saving the article from
the file menu. don't alter the file type, leave it as an ms-dos text
file. the best test is to be able to view this file using microsoft's
notepad for windows 3.x or wordpad for windows '95. if the margins
look right without making the screen slide left or right when at the
ends of the sentences, you're in business!

5.  if you need help uploading, simply ask the sysop of the bbs, or
"post" a message on a newsgroup asking how to post a file, tell them
who your internet provider is and people will always be glad to help.
i would try to describe how to do it but there are simply too many
internet software packages with slightly different yet relatively
simple ways to post or upload a file.  just ask for help or look in
the help section for 'posting'. i do know that for gnn, you simply
select 'post' then enter a catchy description under the subject box,
choose 'attach', selecting 'uue' and not 'txt', then choose 'browse'
to go look for the file. find your text file cash.txt and click on it
and choose 'ok'.  place a one line statement in the main body section
of the message post screen. something like "download this to read how
to get cash arriving in your mailbox with no paybacks!" or whatever.
just make sure it represents its true feasibility, not something
like..."get one million dollars flooding in your mailbox in two days!"

you'll never get any responses!

6. and this is the step i like. just sit back and enjoy life because
cash is on the way!! expect to see a little money start to
trickle in around 2 weeks, but at about weeks 3 & 4, the money storm
will hit your mailbox!! all you have to do is take it out of the
mailbox and try not to scream too loud (outside anyway) when you
realize you hit the big time at last!!

7. so go pay off your bills and debts and then get that something
special you always wanted or buy that special person in your life (or
the one you want in your life) a gift they'll never forget. enjoy
life!

8. now when you get low on this money supply, simply re-activate
this file again; reposting it in the old places where you originally
posted and possibly some new places you now know of. don't ever lose
this file, always keep a copy at your reach for when you ever need
cash. this is an incredible tool that you can always re-use time and
time again when cash is needed!

9. (this step added by charles reiley). hello, this is exciting,
isn't it?! while i'm on the list, just add a note saying "please
include extra money tips" with your name & e-mail address, and i will
(for free) send you some neat methods to increase the money you will
receive with this plan. why?... why not? i'm not a selfish jerk...i
like helping out others. e-mail just makes it a touch easier and
cheaper, too! after i drop off the list, i can no longer offer you
this advice, obviously, but maybe someone else who gets my tips will
offer and simply replace my name on this step number 9. good luck and
give this plan your all, it will definitely pay off! like mike said,
have fun with it!!!

10. (this comment added by mike lorincz) hell dude, this is great, just
send the money and wait like 1 week, then all of a sudden, boooooom!
mail flood full of dollar bills. hahahah its great

11. (this comment added by denise menzel) i do not know if this will work but
a chance of paying off my student loans with only an investment of $6.60
($5.00 + 5 stamps) and a little bit of my time, i can not pass this up. i am
putting
my e-mail address on the sheet of paper that i send to the five people listed
below,
in hope that they will e-mail me with their results. if anyone sends me a
dollar,
please do the same and i will let you know how it is going.

******************************************************************
******************************************************************
the names list       the names list      the name list
******************************************************************
*     honesty is what makes this program successful!!!
*
*  1. sandy kim
*     3047 david ave #10
*     campbell, ca 95128
*
*  2. kevin warkentin
*     1709 ulex
*     mcallen, tx 78504
*
*  3.  ernie hunter
*      1179 chestnut avenue
*      moose jaw, saskatchewan, canada, s6h 1a9
*
*  4. ernest aleixandre
*     108 cedar meadow drive
*     regina, saskatchewan, canada, s4x 3j6
*
* 5. denise menzel
*     2115-203 sharon oaks lane
*     charlotte, nc  28210

on 9/16/96 1:52 pm, anna wrote:

<<<careful snipping> unless gerard changed his mind sometime
since then or a&e took the liberty of changing it themselves, the
truth is that -- according the the lyrics published with the album --
it actually is "birds"! actually, it's "bird." <more careful snipping>>>

coool!!

since i kinda started this thing, i feel guilty for getting everyone (including
myself) all mixed up. i got the lyrics, saying "verse," from a web page, which
must have been wrong 'cause *most* liner notes are correct.

i actually like "bird(s)" better (that's how i originally heard it). i was
rather bummed that it was "verse" but... now i guess it's not, huh?!
i'm smilin' !

anyhow, i think if we took a vote, counting the number of people
who either:
a) thought it was "bird(s)"
b) liked "bird(s)" better than "verse" anyway or
c) all of the above,
the official tally would be in favor of "birds." anyone disagree??

if so, let the great "thin line" debate begin!! : )

peace and misheard misheard lines,
tamara

"i thought the time was past when i could.... find beauty in a...
bird... er, birds.... er, verse... er uh, words... ahem, birds... er..." : )

well, i think i have a good guess why a lot of people have been hearing
"beauty in the birds"....that's because they are singing beauty in the
birds. they lyrics to the song are on the album more than i by
gerard mchugh. he and michelle malone sing it. there are lyrics inside and
they say "i thought the time was past when i could find beauty in a
bird." i think amy changes it to birds.
love
gregg (king of the "birds" people)

ok, so after sitting in the computer lab far too late last night reading
your messages, i have been punished with a horrible ig dream where they
were mean and grumpy. see how many posts you can spot in here:

i am in new orleans with two friends, although it's nowhere i've ever
actually been in new orleans. indigo girls are opening for someone at a
concert in a mormon church. but a bunch of us hang onto this front part of
the stage that hangs in the air like balcony seating in a nice
auditorium and we piss off the security and ig, so they stop
playing and leave. the original act (not a band) cancels too. my friends
are in the foyer, but i decide to go meet ig. i go out to the buses (two
school buses with a burgundy car in between) and emily and amy are running
in circles acting silly. so i wait and wait, and finally as they go to get in
the buses which are ready to pull away, i shout, "amy! emily! wait!" from
about 200 feet away. i am the only person in the parking lot, although
people are in the church right behind me. a & e come over and are like,
"what." so i chat it up a little, and at one point i ask them if they got
the present or the message from _____ (can't remember) who is supposedly
some guy on the list(this happened to me in real life with natalie
merchant.) they ask me why i am asking, which really confuses
me, so i tell them because i want to know. they are very unenthused the
whole time and finally they go get in the car that was waiting, since the
buses have now left, and i distinctly know that this upsets them because
they told me they wanted to ride in separate cars or something. (there was
more to the conversation that escapes me.)

anyway, so i go to find my friends, avoiding two high school teachers of
mine i see in the hallway (one of whom i have seen at two ig concerts in
real life). but my friends have gone home to atlanta (one actually does
live in a suburb there in real life). so i get a ride with ig in the car,
which happens to be full of like eight people. they are all pretty pissed
that i have to ride with them. so i am on someone's lap in the back seat,
leaning on the front seat pretending to sleep, but really the entire way i
eavesdrop on the conversation of a & e and someone else who are behind me
in the back. (unfortunately, i can't remember it now, but it was good
stuff. :) ) the car stops somewhere five hours later at a dressing room
(as in a clothing store) and a voice from behind the curtain asks if
everyone is coming in, and a & e and some other people go in. someone in
the car asks me if i am going to ride with them all the way to atlanta,
and i tell her i was going to but now i don't have time and i need to get
to birmingham to catch my plane. but theni realize my plane is in new
orleans and i freak out because i don't have time to get there. she whips
out a map and i see i am in southern georgia and closer to new orleans
than birmingham, but we are in the town of cordlai or something and the
greyhound doesn't come through there, so i am screwed. so then i think i
should probably just get a ride to my friend in her atlanta suburb, and
this is not met with a happy response, and then i wake up.

i woke up quite unhappy. it was a horrible dream and a horrible three
hours sleep, and, i believe, my punishment for wondering whether they
smoke pot. :i

so don't be throwing stones,
linda

        **they're just fanatics acting fanatically. they give
          bona-fide paranoids like myself a bad name...**
                                        --mulder

hi kiddies!

chris just pulled out her wallet and spent money she didn't have on,
drumroll, sweet relief ii! holy cow, kids, run, do not walk, to your
local record store and pick this puppy up. free of hope is worth the 15
bucks by itself.

on the rest of the album:  not, of course, as shining sa the girls, but
garbage turns in a great performance of kick my ass, and soul assylum gave
me the chills with "when i ran off and left her."  nobody can sing/whisper
like the lovely madonna, on "guilty by association" and kristin hersh
gives "panic pure" a good read.  the tone of the album is subtle, often
leaving one straining to understand the lyrics.  for the most part, i
liked it.

question: who the hell is vic chesnutt and why have i never heard of him?

while birds are beautiful, i always thought the line was "beauty in the
firs" and well fir trees are also beautiful. but i'm glad to know the
actual word is verse so i can assume superior knowledge status amongst my
friends, who no doubt are still singing firs, or birds, or whatever,

--reggi :)
*********************
usa women's soccer #1
*********************

at 07:31 am 9/16/96 -0700, greta wrote:
>okay, time for me to shamefully admit that not only did i also think it was
"beauty in >the birds....", but i also like it a hell of a lot more.

hitchcockian theme music and swarms of blood lusting crows come to mind....
but i will try to maintain my cool and pretend that i too love hearing "beauty
in the birds" not "verse"...
i will be okay...
i will be okay...
i will be okay...
peace all... kim ( the crowaphobic... ) (*very* differnt from
*cow*aphobic ) who just this morning ate a bowl of grapenuts with soymilk
and *is not ashamed!!!!* ( dammit ).
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
<just kim>rcn@prcn.org
"pain from pearls-hey little girl-
how much have you grown?"
---------------amy ray------------------
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>

--
administrative requests should not be sent to the list!
to unsubscribe, send email to listserv@netspace.org
        with the line: signoff indigo-girls
=========================================================================
date:         mon, 16 sep 1996 17:14:39 -0500
reply-to:     tuesday's child <dc3545@cnsvax.albany.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         tuesday's child <dc3545@cnsvax.albany.edu>
subject:      re: political posts-why here?
x-to:         lori breehne <lorali7@aol.com>
in-reply-to:  <960913033907_307404184@emout05.mail.aol.com>

lori,
with all due respect, if you don't want to read it, you know
where the delete key is.

tuesday's child

----------------------------------------------------------------------------

"tut, tut. it looks like rain."
--christopher robin

----------------------------------------------------------------------------

on fri, 13 sep 1996, lori breehne wrote:

> dear ig list*
> i agree with michael---i mean there are lists to join for all these subjects
> and there you will probably be able to engage in all the debates and learn
> what is going on today in those issues.   this list should be about the ig's
> music not their personal lives.  they give us this wonderful gift of their
> talent and all we can do is pick their lives, families, habits, etc. apart
> for every detail???  that's crazy-put yourself in their shoes.  sure they
> want to draw attention to issues but they don't want to do our thinking for
> us.  and if someone is pretending to be amy or emily, i think they need to
> get a life.  i'd like to learn more about their music, lyrics, and other
> under-appreciated singer/songwriters that are out there trying to do what ig
> did....perhaps i would even like to know about other fans and what they are
> doing in their cities, colleges or lives that make them interesting.  but it
> is not necessary for me to know, for instance-if emily smokes, what she
> smokes, when she smokes, if she quit, when she quit, etc, for me to enjoy
> their music.  if its a cute or funny antedote-great but if its irrelevant to
> the list, you all can email eachother outside the post to your hearts
> content.  now don't think this is a flame because i think everyone is funny
> and enthusiastic and well-meaning-this is imho!
> lori
> lorali7aaol.com
>
> --
> administrative requests should not be sent to the list!
> to unsubscribe, send email to listserv@netspace.org
>         with the line: signoff indigo-girls
>

so now that we know the true story...gerard thought the time was past when he
could find beauty in the birds.  i was wondering if anyone could tell me how
they interpret that?  i always thought it was words and it seemed to make
more sense that way, or with verse than birds.  it's easy to see how gerard
could no longer find beauty in the words...he might have been  having trouble
songwritting or something of the sort.
is the truth really that he's a professional bird watcher posing as a
songwriter? :-)

*lauren*  who realizes the point probably went way over her head and is just
being stupid
*************************************************
"it is of immense importance that we laugh at ourselves."  katharine
mansfield  (who does this sound like?)

"the state of the world today demand that women become less modest and
dream/plan/act/risk on a larger scale."
charlotte bunch

--
administrative requests should not be sent to the list!
to unsubscribe, send email to listserv@netspace.org
        with the line: signoff indigo-girls
=========================================================================
date:         mon, 16 sep 1996 17:50:30 -0500
reply-to:     tuesday's child <dc3545@cnsvax.albany.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         tuesday's child <dc3545@cnsvax.albany.edu>
subject:      re: while there's so much flaming goin on...(nigc)
x-to:         jendy <edwina@jax-inter.net>
in-reply-to:  <199609140434.aaa16134@mail.jax-inter.net>

jendy,

i'd love to oblige, but all i have is this bic, and i think the
university would be a tad bit upset if i set the terminal on fire. ;)

------------------------------------------------------------------------------

if you want to know the secret behind a smile, you've got to ask a...

tuesday's child

------------------------------------------------------------------------------

on sat, 14 sep 1996, jendy wrote:

--
administrative requests should not be sent to the list!
to unsubscribe, send email to listserv@netspace.org
        with the line: signoff indigo-girls
=========================================================================
date:         mon, 16 sep 1996 17:50:16 edt
reply-to:     "christopher m. becker" <cmbecker@space.mit.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "christopher m. becker" <cmbecker@space.mit.edu>
subject:      re: political posts-why here?
x-to:         dc3545@cnsvax.albany.edu
in-reply-to:  <pine.pmdf.3.91.960916170919.1612715173c-100000@cnsvax.albany.edu>; from "tuesday's child" at sep 16,
              96 5:14 pm

on fri, 13 sep 1996, lori breehne wrote:

i couldn't agree more about the personal stuff, that's a line that i
don't think should be crossed. matter of fact, that sort of thing is
"actively discouraged" (read flamed heavily).

but how do posts with political content count as personal?? seems to me
that politics are about as a-personal as one can get....

-- chris

---------------------------------------------------------------------------
christopher m. becker                       "trying to read the greek
mit center for space research                 upon the stars...."
cmbecker@space.mit.edu                           -- e. saliers

http://www.mit.edu:8001/people/cmbecker/home.html [my homepage]
---------------------------------------------------------------------------

thank you, thank you to all who have imparted their knowledge regarding
gerard mchugh's lyrics -- i'm so glad i really wasn't hearing it wrong,
and amy actually did say birds! now i can sleep at night, and go back
to my indigo dreams...

cyndi

from the lifeblood page it says that it's "birds" but i've always thought it
was "verse" because that fit better to me.

hollie

>well, i must add both my significant other and myself to the list of
>those who thought it was "find beauty in the birds" -- that's sure what
>it sounds like, and that's what i've been singing all this time!  so
>those of you who've already confessed to this one, don't feel like the
>lone ranger!  (i still like "birds")...
>
>cyndi
>
>--
>administrative requests should not be sent to the list!
>to unsubscribe, send email to listserv@netspace.org
>        with the line: signoff indigo-girls
>
>

"to thine own self be true"
-shakespeare

maybe i am just stupid but i don't know what the term "flame" means.
perhaps it is because i've been raised in oklahoma, aka. the crotch of the
bible belt. i tried to download the faq but the site has apparently
vanished so if someone could help me out i would appreciate it.
ryan
---i hope that not too many of you call me stupid...

"i thought the time was past when i could find beauty in the birds..."

i interpret the line using "birds" as as a synonym to nature and =
freedom. =20
...the basic structures of life had gotten so caught up in the =
conventional duties of adulthood that one could no longer take time to =
appreciate the gorgeous simplicity of wind and trees and water...

i've never probed past that point. never needed to.

comments?

greta

"...the worst curse to befall anyone is stagnation, a banal exsistance, =
the quiet desperation that comes out of a need for conformity..."
-deepak chopra

in a message dated 96-09-16 15:20:46 edt, susan.b.marine@dartmouth.edu (susan
b. marine) writes:

<< yeah! that's the way to fight sexism....agree with it! support it! make
fun of
women and the way they look and draw direct correlations between the value
of
what they say and the way they look! thanks!!!!

this kind of comment hurts as much as blatant sexism. i hate the miss
america
pageant too, but not because contestants have "big hair" and "tight butts".
that's not the problem!!!

sorry, had to get that off my chest.

susan "power to the sisters" marine
(and not apologizing for it, this time)
p.s. flames welcome if you feel you must
>>

hmmmm. . .interesting commentary on the subject.

but, the reason i made fun of this woman was because of what she said, and
not the way she looked. i consider myself a feminist, but she was brain-dead
and happened to have really big hair. that's the facts. if miss kansas had
reasonable hair, she'd just be brain-dead then. i'm not going to excuse
somebody for being an idiot, just because she's a woman. had this been the
mr. america pagent, i'd probably have similar commentary.

smiles : )
annemarie "miss new jersey 1997"

ok. let's get a flamless thread going here...

listening to ig live albums, we know that they add a bit here and there
in the music they perform live.  what i'd like to start is who likes what
best?  the live music or the recorded music.  for example, as much as i
love the live version of 'chickenman', i prefer the recorded version.
and what is the song on 1200c that included a saxaphone?  oh yea, "love's
recovery".  imho, that sax has to go!  i just don't like it.  it's too
"in your face" for a mild song like that.  but then there's "dead man's
hill" where the live version kicks serious butt.

so my offering for the day... live or memorex.... (yes, and i know there
will be those smarty pants out there that say that all the live material
is still recorded on tape (hence memorex), but i know that you know what
i'm talking about....) live vs. studio

peace,
- jen hall

does anyone know if a bill is not signed, does it become law or is it considered
vetoed by default?

trant

in a message dated 96-09-15 01:10:57 edt, debatediva@aol.com writes:

<< "this is a huge problem that affects so many americans. first i would
counsel
a child and tell them that they can achieve anything that they set their
mind
on. next i'd give them a copy of my book. . . .or maybe audio tape to help
them realize how dreams can come true." >>

omigod, it's nice to know that i wasn't the only one that picked up on that
and fell off my chair laughing, while my family looked at me in wonder.  i
tried to explain it to them "yeah, see, the person was illiterate, ie. can't
read, see, and she wants to give them a book...." oh well.
  but did you also hear the response to that one whose platform was attention
deficit disorder?  just as bad.  she was responding to regis' question about
how she would defend the stand that children with add should have longer to
take tests and exams, and she said
    "by giving children a minimal amount of time....we make them feel more
confident and secure....."

minimal? maximum? hey, it has three syllables! it must sound good!

gagging in ohio,
sam

a really good medium priced guitar is a seagull.  seagulls are made in canada
and are very playable.  good action and they stay in tune... they don't have
inlay or any of that fancy stufff... the makers put the $ into the sound...
for my $ its the best guitar in the under $500 range.  i played one for years
(still do on occassion) before i could afford my taylor.  you don't even want
to get me started on the taylor vs martin argument.  suffice it to say i've
played 'em both and unless you can afford a good quality, older martin, the
taylor is the way to go.

michelle

--
administrative requests should not be sent to the list!
to unsubscribe, send email to listserv@netspace.org
        with the line: signoff indigo-girls
=========================================================================
date:         mon, 16 sep 1996 15:59:17 -0400
reply-to:     "elaine m. rigby" <emrigby@naz.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "elaine m. rigby" <emrigby@naz.edu>
subject:      re: birds or verse?
x-to:         cyndi johnson <cyndigo@txdirect.net>
in-reply-to:  <323ce166.7144@txdirect.net>

on mon, 16 sep 1996, cyndi johnson wrote:

and here i sit thinking it is/was "find beauty in the words".

has a great debate erupted???

ttfn!
elaine r

<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>

  before you judge me take a look at you
  can't you find something better to do               hate is not a
  point the finger, slow to understand                family value!
  arrogance and ignorance go hand in hand
                               -metallica

<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>

hi all. sorry to post another nigc but this is important. besides from
being annoying (my opinion), posts to the list about getting rich quick,
asking for money, and pyrmid schemes are illegal. i have tried to tell
the poster this to no avail, so i decided to tell the list.

if you are thinking of participating in this or any similar scheme don't.

though the money is solicitated over e-mail, it is sent using snail mail.
it is illegal to request money or items of value and promise a substantial
return. it is a form of gambling and illegal if the postal system is used.

in short it is a violation of title 18, of the united states code, section 1302
postal code statue.

letters like these are supposed to be forwarded under separate cover to your
local postmaster if received by mail, with a note that you may believe illegal
activities occur.
similar "legal" complaints about e-mail can be sent to the webmaster of the
person sending the letter to you. i don't know know what happens since i
haven't been annoyed enough to try it. with the amount of these i've been
getting lately, i might though.

just a friendly warning for those of you who may be considering this. not only
will you not get your big $$$, but you may be bringing on more trouble for
yourself then its worth.

cynthia crecca
crecca@admin.njit.edu
who never reads the liner lyrics and has been singing "verse" not birds...

i am back!! i would like for anyone in the louisville area-- who just might be
a fan to send me some mail and i would love to catch up...
angie

--
administrative requests should not be sent to the list!
to unsubscribe, send email to listserv@netspace.org
        with the line: signoff indigo-girls
=========================================================================
date:         mon, 16 sep 1996 20:11:21 -0400
reply-to:     christine talbot <talbotc@umich.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         christine talbot <talbotc@umich.edu>
subject:      re: birds or verse?
x-to:         "elaine m. rigby" <emrigby@naz.edu>
in-reply-to:  <pine.ult.3.95.960916155754.21406a-100000@orion.naz.edu>

for the longest time i thought it was earth. then i moved to words. what
the hell? let's just make it a free-for-all! certs? births? nerds?
furs? no, that one doesn't go.

look what 5 hrs of class'll do to you!
yours,
chris

--
administrative requests should not be sent to the list!
to unsubscribe, send email to listserv@netspace.org
        with the line: signoff indigo-girls
=========================================================================
date:         mon, 16 sep 1996 20:09:41 -0400
reply-to:     christine talbot <talbotc@umich.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         christine talbot <talbotc@umich.edu>
subject:      re: is it live or is it memorex? (sp?)
x-to:         jen hall <jenhall@juno.com>
in-reply-to:  <19960916.171548.2247.1.jenhall@juno.com>

> best? the live music or the recorded music. for example, as much asi
> love the live version of 'chickenman', i prefer the recorded version.

are you outchor mind? chickenman is soo much better live! i have it on
good authority that several folks didn't actually like the song until they
saw it live. it seems to be a song that demands live performance. i
harbor a secret wish they'd never released it, only performed it live.
oh, but that would leave you memorex lovers in the cold and i'd hate that.

> and what is the song on 1200c that included a saxaphone?  oh yea, "love's
> recovery".  imho, that sax has to go!  i just don't like it.  it's too
> "in your face" for a mild song like that.  but then there's "dead man's
> hill" where the live version kicks serious butt.

agreed and agreed.

the one that never works as well for me live is "world falls." in fact,
i think the only song from nis better live is prolly pushing the needle
too far. but world falls just never works, for some reason. i think
it's a rhythm thing.

yours,
chris

hey y'all!

well, i thought i might pique some curiosities with my comment, there. :)
so i was forced (yeah, forced - you guys are so evil) to listen to my
buffalo boot and listen to the witty repartee over and over while i copied
it down. i think i pretty much got it all, but it won't be the same at all
if you can't hear emily's sweet voice saying (i guess you will all have to
try to imagine).

so here it goes...

(amy sings end of fugitive, she is dancing in sand and kissing demons...)

a: thanks y'all!
e: new song by amy!
(slight pause)
a: this is a dreadful amount of space right here.  (referring to the large
covered pit area)
e: yeah, sorry about that y'all.  the pit of hell.
   a lot of times they have these, ya know.
a: just put lawn chairs up here or something.  (???)
(pause, some laughter, i think someone asks them to come out and play on it)
e: well, what else can we say about it?
a: well, i keep thinking that emily is... she's wireless now and i keep
wanting her to walk up to the front and do that - (somehow indicates flashy
soloing)
(many cheers from audience!)
e: that's something that, uh -
a: tonight might be the night that she does it!
(more cheers!)
e: (shyly, with embarrassment) i don't know.
a: you know, we'd call it the ego ramp - just right on out there with the
audience.
e: oh, boy.  uhhhh...(quietly) maybe.
a: i bet some of our contemporaries do that.
e: (in that incredibly sweet, girlish voice of hers :) yeah, i bet they do!
   we won't name any names!
   oh, how funny.  i'd probably fall down.  ah, god.
(proceeds to play the opening to love's recovery, then stops)
e: wait!  i'm laughing now.  this is not funny! (as she laughs)  ok...
a: you can do it.
(begins love's recovery again, at which point certain members of the
audience who plan to use it as their wedding song try to drown out both amy
and emily with their own singing, and i won't name names either :).

so there it is.  obviously, i have it on a boot.  this show is the last
night of duo touring before they take the band to europe on the swamp tour.
they are in great spirits, and sandy garfinkle joins them on a few
(including southland, nashville, and chickenman).  one of the highlights is
the insertion of free bird in the middle of tmf, but it just isn't the same
without wendy bucklew (go wendy!) holding up a lighter from backstage.  :-)

well, i hope you liked my little story...

whatever,

:dwayne

i got a wierd skew on joking... i think...  a great friend of mine and i
realized a while back that the song sums up our relationship with little
else to be said (that's not true, actually, but i needed to complete the
sentence...)  it's all in your interpretation of different things...  i
don't take the good friends are hard to come by thing as something someone
would say, but rather the truth (as reflected in the next line; she would
be buying the beer....)  as well, kissed like a soldier...  it's long been
decided there was nothing there between us other than platonic love...  so,
what i propose that means is only that while a soldier heads for war he/she
isn't coming back, and thus is no longer really there anyway...  truth is,
i've lost track of this email a while now... so i'll just throw it up ot
the list and maybe y'all will like it and maybe not...  have a nice day,

alec

in a message dated 96-09-16 18:54:10 edt, diva grrrrl writes:

<< annemarie "miss new jersey 1997"

-- >>

i heard on the radio today that miss kansas (now the big "a") has
somewhere around 50 vhs tapes of past miss america pagents
and she has been studying them and analyzing them
(much like a football player watches 'game films')
for years (since she was a wee tot).....and the radio announcer
(dori monson)
said "it's good to have a goal in life..."

(dripping with sarcasm, i believe ;) heh, heh.

bonky ( the audio tape remark was pretty hilarious :0 )

chickenman > was really dissapointed that the version on1200
                         curfews had no soc---especially since e mentions
                          it in the liner notes....i kept waiting for it and
it never
                          happened. bummer, dude.

loves recovery > i didn't care for the sax either....the studio version is
so much more....more (...is less in this case)

touchmefall> live is the only wat to go...all though i really like the
                           jazzy stuff (horns) in the studio
version.......not real
                           hot on the video of that, mostly because they cut
                           out the break...me no like :( this song was ment
to
                           be a long extended affair....i don't know what's
                           up with "the songs must be 3.5 minutes long"
                           attitude these days.....i'll take an artists "self
indulgent"
                           ramblings over a 'made for radio product' anyday
:)
                           (btw i own a copy of "ina-gadda-da-vida"
(baybeeeee)
                           on vinyl ;)

bmhawk>        like the studio version best on that one ...it has more
                          'guts'...wish they had left the "live" one off of
the album
                         and put tmf on instead....

for the most part the songs really evolve and grow on the road....just look
at the
new songs from n.orleans to seattle !!!....any one notice that 'problem
child'
wasn't played on the tour (if it was, i didn't hear about it ) love that one
!!!!

lastly....someone posted a little while back (time means so little to me....)
about wondering who the producer is going to be.....i've noticed that they
have self produced the last two releases....1200... and honor1.....
i wonder of they will self produce this one ??????? that would be cool !
i really like the sound of bmhawk (haven't heard "blood quantum" yet so
i can venture and opinion on that one)...but i wouldn't mind at all if
scot litt was aboard !

hasta !

binky
"...hide all the knives, 'cause baby's insane."

hey y'all!

just got to the end of the buffalo boot (ctf, with everyone on stage), and i
gotta quote emily again here:

"stop by the the greenpeace table on your way out and say hi to stephanie"

that's about all i've got to say now. :-)

whatever,

:dwayne

i was wondering if anyone had bootlegs for:

ig roseland 8/14/96
ig mid hudson civic center 4/25/95

unfortunately these were the only two concerts i've been to and i don't
have a recording of either one!!

jonny

whats up everyone ??

i have this reunion promo cd, that has nothing but reunion on it. nothing
special, probably not worth anything. just a promo. but i have two. so i
was wondering if anyone is intyerested in trading for it or something because
i have no need for two.

peace
sasha

although i don't know the technical term for it by not signing it i believe
it is a type of veto. however, it then goes back to either the house or
the senate (i can't remember which) and can be passed if it receives like a
2/3 majority just like an official veto.
i hope this info is useful.
ryan

it's late...i have lots of work to do...but i'm sitting here, listening to
nis, & i have a couple of questions to throw out to everyone.  first of
all, "hand me downs" kinda reminds me of a song i used to sing a long time
ago, but i can't quite put my finger on it...a hebrew song or a camp song
or something...but maybe i'm just making this up...can anyone help me out
here?  also, i was listening to "pushing the needle too far," and i was
wondering how everyone interprets the lyrics.  i'm not even going to say
what i think...i want to hear everyone else's idea's first.  that's
it...time to study now...

andi

-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-
"the prize is always worth the rocky ride."-es
_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_

candice gohn wrote:
>
> "i thought the time was past when i could find beauty in the birds..."
>
> i interpret the line using "birds" as as a synonym to nature and freedom.

a agree completely with you. that also was my interpretation of the
verse. it seemed to me to be very reasonable. i did not seem to think
that the other offerings given by others fit the rest of the song
any better than birds(imho).

ralphael

i have read comments about the orchestration on several of the
recordings, most notably so and rop. i was wondering if anyone else had
thought about just how much a. and e. carefully arrange the harmonies and
timbres of their voices? there are some cuts that come to mind, such as
world falls and hammer and a nail on nis,that seem to go beyond simple
harmonies. there are other cuts of course, but they seem to give an
amazing amount of care to the color of their voices that is not matched
by any other group that comes to mind (i am ready to be enlightened,
however. any takers?).

unusual instrumentation or orchestration on a cut draws immediate
attention, but i find the use of their voices to be their best and most
interesting instruments.

any thoughts on the subject?

ralpael

-------------------------------------------------------------
"the hardest to learn is the least complicated." e. saliers
-------------------------------------------------------------

hi everyone,

as an audiology student, i am concerned with how we process auditory stimuli-
this includes music (especially ig!).

i have a question for my fellow listees about how you all listen to the ig.
do you:

a) listen so intently to the music/lyrics that you are unable to pay
attention to any other stimuli (i.e. studying, reading for pleasure, carrying
on a conversation) around you, or

b) listen to the ig and are able to push it to the background so you can
read, study, speak on the phone, etc. because you are so accustomed to
listening to them while performing other tasks

would your answer to the above question be the same if you were listening to
some other type of music, such as something you hate or don't like as much as
the ig?

i did a (sort of) study last semester on this subject which was inconclusive
due to small sample size, but i'm still interested in finding out.  i suspect
that how we process music depends on how much we listen to it while
performing other tasks.  some day when i'm a famous audiologist ; ) i'll get
a grant to research this further.  until then, i'm looking forward to reading
your responses!  thanks for your help!!

you can email me privately if you want, but i was thinking that this may be a
good discussion topic.... have a good one : )

-sheri : )

\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\

  _       _ ------ _               o      |....when you learn
{  ~\_/         o   \    o  o           |to love yourself
{  ~ _   ]          <  o                 |you will dissolve
{_~/  \ _        _ /                    | all the stones
             v-----                        | that are cast....
   seaphish@aol.com                -amy ray
/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/

--
administrative requests should not be sent to the list!
to unsubscribe, send email to listserv@netspace.org
        with the line: signoff indigo-girls
=========================================================================
date:         mon, 16 sep 1996 20:53:16 -0700
reply-to:     wendell lee <wlee@indy1.calarts.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         wendell lee <wlee@indy1.calarts.edu>
subject:      re: is it live or is it memorex? (sp?)
x-to:         christine talbot <talbotc@umich.edu>
in-reply-to:  <pine.sol.3.95.960916200628.21636e-100000@moonpatrol.rs.itd.umich.edu>

>
> the one that never works as well for me live is "world falls." in fact,
> i think the only song from nis better live is prolly pushing the needle
> too far. but world falls just never works, for some reason. i think
> it's a rhythm thing.
>
> yours,
> chris

hi, um, excuse me? what about you and me o'the 10,000 wars from back on
the bus ya'll? i think that is another from the nis period that tears out
your heart and shows it to you before you die when played live.

> are you outchor mind? chickenman is soo much better live! i have it on
> good authority that several folks didn't actually like the song until they
> saw it live. it seems to be a song that demands live performance.

i agree totaly. i really enjoy the 1200 version much more than the rop.

> > and what is the song on 1200c that included a saxaphone?  oh yea, "love's
> > recovery".  imho, that sax has to go!  i just don't like it.  it's too
> > "in your face" for a mild song like that.  but then there's "dead man's
> > hill" where the live version kicks serious butt.
> agreed and agreed.

the sax in "love's recovery" is a bit overdone, but that is more the mix on the
board that the tape is taken from than it was in the performance.

overall, i find the live versions a lot less precise, but more alive. the problem
with any studio recording is that unless it is a one pass recording with the intent
of leaving it "as-is" with no editing or mixing, it can become a bit tight and over
worked.

have you ever just had one of their songs move in to your head and take up
residence?

ralphael

my husband needs a song for his psychology. the song has to be rational
and tell a tale. it also has a moral.

is there an ig song that follows that? what's your opinion?

thanks for the help,
- jen hall

--
administrative requests should not be sent to the list!
to unsubscribe, send email to listserv@netspace.org
        with the line: signoff indigo-girls
=========================================================================
date:         mon, 16 sep 1996 23:34:46 -0700
reply-to:     "emily d. mark" <emark@scf-fs.usc.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "emily d. mark" <emark@scf-fs.usc.edu>
subject:      re: i need some help
x-to:         jen hall <jenhall@juno.com>
in-reply-to:  <19960916.231717.5463.0.jenhall@juno.com>

maybe bury my heart at wounded knee?

just a suggy from a returner to the list,
emily
(no, not the one y'all wish i was)

hi folks!

sorry to post this to the entire list, but....

i just wanted to thank everyone who gave me guitar-buying advice...
unfortunately i don't have time to do it personally. sooo...

"thanks y'all!!"

each of you seriously know how great you are, right? i thought so!!
this list has to be the best!

peace and new guitars,
tamara

when i first heard thin line, i thought they were singing "beauty in reverse".
<sigh> what do i know ?

toodles :)

gail <-- who's lil' sister just heard emily singing "i don't know how to love
him" on jcs and now wants to borrow her ig cds :) :)

tha spiorad nan daoine nas soilleir na ghealach
<the spirit of the people is brighter than the moon>
nas doimhne na'n cuan
<deeper than the ocean>
geibh sinn ar n-aite 'san t-shaoghal
<we will find our place in the world>
's an ginealach ur
<in a new generation>
ard: blar nan daoine
<high: the people's struggle>
ard: guth is saorsa
<high: a voice and self-determination>
ard: tha sinn gluasad
<high: we are moving>
gu h-ard theid sinn suas
<we will reach up there>
runrig

i am sorry to say that i will have to leave this list for a while, at least,
and will not be able to continue managing the birthday list.

if anyone would like to volunteer to take it over, please let me know by
private e-mail and i will e-mail you back a copy of the birthday list.
please only volunteer if you are truly serious about it, though, because 1)
it is
a large file and 2) you will have to post a message to the list almost every
day.

let it now be said that i will miss everyone and i regret the possibility of
leaving the birthday list in the lurch, but what must be done must be done. :-(
kirsten

--
kirsten chevalier kirsten@olaf.wellesley.edu
"of the seven deadly sins, lust is definitely the pick of the litter."
--tom robbins
http://wilbur.wellesley.edu/n-z/t1kchevalier/t1kchevalier.html

hi y'all!

i'd like to ask my knowledgeable ig list members if they could let me know about the ticket process for pearl jam concerts because i
haven't received mine yet...

i called the number, which then told me to go to the web and turn
in my credit card info...i did that and received a verification code...i
entered my mailing address...

it's been over a month and the concert is in 2 weeks...still no
tickets...is it possible that they sent it to the credit card billing
address and not the mailing address (they differ)?...

i'm going to check the credit card statement to see if i was
charged for the tix as soon as i get it, but i'm worried that i won't
get any tickets at all...oh well, i like pearl jam, but i love ig, so i
won't be that disappointed if i don't get to go (i will be more so if i
paid and didn't receive them)...

please let me know what i should do in terms of correcting this
problem...take care, @=d jen

--- you wrote:
hmmmm. . .interesting commentary on the subject.

smiles : )
annemarie "miss new jersey 1997"
--- end of quoted material ---

so why then did you have to add comments about her appearance? if what she said
was the focus of your commentary, then how she looked....and your mocking tone
of her appearance...should have been left out, imho

(sorry list pals. we all have our bones to pick, i guess thi is mine. i'm done
now)

susan :)

--
administrative requests should not be sent to the list!
to unsubscribe, send email to listserv@netspace.org
        with the line: signoff indigo-girls
=========================================================================
date:         tue, 17 sep 1996 08:04:09 cdt
reply-to:     jennifer hall
              <jennifer=hall%ts=deskcall%cs=hou@bangate.compaq.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         jennifer hall
              <jennifer=hall%ts=deskcall%cs=hou@bangate.compaq.com>
subject:      nigc: let's face it -- english is a crazy language.
x-to:         mary.j.quady@norwest.com, chuckhall@juno.com,
              dperkins@coa1.ci.austin.tx.us, dreleen@juno.com,
              mark.meyer@norwest.com

there is no egg in eggplant nor ham in hamburger; neither
apple nor pine in pineapple. english muffins weren't
invented in england or french fries in france. sweetmeats
are candies while sweetbreads, which aren't sweet, are meat.

we take english for granted. but if we explore its
paradoxes, we find that quicksand can work slowly, boxing
rings are square and a guinea pig is neither from guinea nor
is it a pig.

and why is it that writers write but fingers don't fing,
grocers don't groce and hammers don't ham?  if the plural of
tooth is teeth, why isn't the plural of booth beeth?  one
goose, 2 geese.  so one moose, 2 meese?

doesn't it seem crazy that you can make amends but not one
amend, that you comb through annals of history but not a
single annal? if you have a bunch of odds and ends and get
rid of all but one of them, what do you call it?

if teachers taught, why didn't preachers praught? if a
vegetarian eats vegetables, what does a humanitarian eat?
if you wrote a letter, perhaps you bote your tongue?

sometimes i think all the english speakers should be
committed to an asylum for the verbally insane.  in what
language do people recite at a play and play at a recital?
ship by truck and send cargo by ship?  have noses that run
and feet that smell?  park on driveways and drive on
parkways?

how can a slim chance and a fat chance be the same, while a
wise man and wise guy are opposites? how can overlook and
oversee be opposites, while quite a lot and quite a few are
alike? how can the weather be hot as hell one day and cold
as hell another.

have you noticed that we talk about certain things only when
they are absent?  have you ever seen a horseful carriage or
a strapful gown?  met a sung hero or experienced requited
love?  have you ever run into someone who was combobulated,
gruntled, ruly or peccable? and where are all those people
who are spring chickens or who would actually hurt a fly?

you have to marvel at the unique lunacy of a language in
which your house can burn up as it burns down, in which you
fill in a form by filling it out and in which an alarm clock
goes off by going on.

english was invented by people, not computers, and it
reflects the creativity of the human race (which, of course,
isn't a race at all). that is why, when the stars are out,
they are visible, but when the lights are out, they are
invisible. and why, when i wind up my watch, i start it,
but when i wind up this item, i end it.

since a few people have written to me asking about it and questions have
been posted about what happens if the president doesn't sign a bill, is it
automatically a veto, i will answer. (finally, a question i know the answer
to!)

short answer: if a president doesn not sign a bill to his desk it usually
becomes law.

the more detailed explination:

when a bill passed by both houses of congress (they must agree on the same
exact version) it goes to the president who can:
        1. sign it into law.
        2. veto it.  if the president does this congress can override this
           veto with a 2/3 vote.  (if it can't muster up the necessary votes,
           the bill is dead for the session.)
        3.  not do anything.   here is where our answer lies.
            if the president does not act on a bill within ten days (excluding
            sundays) of arrival and congress is in session, the bill
            automatically becomes law.   however, if the president does not act
            on a bill and the in that "10 day period" congress adjourns, the
            bill is vetoed and that veto can't be overridden.  this is the
            infamous "pocket veto" that hacks like me love to read about...

do you think i can teach my own section of american government 101 now? :-)

if anybody has or knows where i can get a copy of the "schoolhouse rock" cartoonabout the bill on capitol hill that is stuck in committee and done to a blues
tune, could you please e-mail me. i work with college juniors and this might
add some humor (and knoweldge!) to our government sessions! thanks!

cynthia crecca
crecca@admin.njit.edu

--
administrative requests should not be sent to the list!
to unsubscribe, send email to listserv@netspace.org
        with the line: signoff indigo-girls
=========================================================================
date:         tue, 17 sep 1996 08:03:16 -0500
reply-to:     lisa hardaway <lhardaway@wscgate.wsc.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         lisa hardaway <lhardaway@wscgate.wsc.edu>
subject:      re: how do you listen to the ig?
x-to:         "sheri e. allen" <seaphish@aol.com>

          it depends on the task. if i am driving i crank ig and trips
          fly by.  if i am doing some mindless task like attempting to
          clean my apartment, wake up in the morning, or cook i listen
          to ig then too.  my favorite time to listen to ig is when i
          am working out.  i put on 1200 curfews or rop and it really
          helps me focus and be intense.....it is also kind of an
          attitude adjustment for me.  after i workout and listen with
          that much focus i feel really motivated and inspired.

how about the rest of you?

xena warrior princess
aka lisa

ahem...

i have one (count 'em, one) request for the nff boot here in canada.

  if you missed the post on it or somehow lost the branch address
  etc. etc.,  this is just a reminder to get in touch with me and
  get your tapes on out if you want a copy dubbed.  the boot is
  very good (thanks carolyn) so i'm sure y'all want a copy.

so i expect to hear from kim out in north van and of course
sarah a. who should be studying if she's reading this! ;)

denise e.

my 2 cents on this whole list content issue:

1. personal lives

   although i believe that a certain amount of discussion of the
   personal side of amy and emily's lives is germain to a thoughtful
   interpretation of their music (afterall, they themselves state
   their music is personal and based on events in their lives), it's
   my understanding that they have specifically requested that their
   personal lives not be discussed in internet arenas. i think we
   should respect that.

   besides, once their personal lives are considered fair game, it
   would be very difficult, if not impossible, to prevent a discussion
   their personal lives in relation to their music from degenerating
   into an enquirer style who is doing what to whom and when.

2. politics

   politics is another story entirely. anyone who doesn't think igs
   are political haven't heard them talk or read the liner notes
   for their cds. not to mention the honor the earth stuff or the
   mention of habitat for humanity in watershed.

   more importantly, however, i think the girls themselves would be
   honored and proud if a list dedicated to talking about their music
   also included related political discussions (provided any such
   discussions were conducted with respect and common courtesy, ie
   no flaming).

   as for those who don't wish to participate in or see any political
   discussions, perhaps we should start using another subject line
   designation-- pol for political content (which should also be used
   in combination with nigc where appropriate). that way, those not
   interested could simply bypass the content they don't wish to see.

   you know, it never ceases to amaze me-- whenever individuals object
   to a topic of discussion, whether in tv, radio, movies, newspaper,
   or internet newsgroups/mailing lists, the first response is to
   prevent everyone from viewing or participating (censoring content).
   if you don't want to see/hear a topic-- don't. turn the channel,
   read a different newspaper, delete the message. why must everyone
   be affected by your preferences. obviously, this is a pet peeve of
   mine.

   i was particularly amused by the guy who mentioned howard stern. of
   all people, he should understand about censorship. now i'm not
   particularly fond of howard (although i do think he can, sometimes,
   be a brilliant social commentator), i would never call to have him
   removed from the air-- in fact, i would defend his right to his forum.
   if i don't want to hear what he has to say, i can choose not to listen.

if you don't want to hear about igs political causes-- then don't read it.
it's really quite simple.

joann
jmelnik@lucent.com

i was just looking at my ig cd's and was wondering about the designs/ideas
behind some of the covers. for example, why are a&e made up on rites of
passage - what is the significance? what on earth are the thoughts behind
the cover of swamp ophelia, and as for the cover of 4.5 i just can't
figure it out....
..ok, ok so i'm a newbie - apologies if you all know the answers to this
already! :)

cheers!

juliet
<http://www.rdg.ac.uk/pris/sed/juliet/home2.html>

ps .....oooo...almost forgot to mention - just a
bumping-into-other-ig-fans kinda tale that mixes in with the how do you
listen thread - a colleague of mine has just spent the last 3 months
working out in greenland - he overheard me singing least complicated and
was astounded that anyone else had heard of them (britain being an island
or something ;)  ..!!?) ..anyway it turns out that of the 4 tapes he took
out on fieldwork one was rites of passage and the other swamp ophelia -
thats dedication for you!!! he discovered them whilst working in the sudan
and has many happy memories of late night fires underneath the sudanese
sky listening to a&e  ....hey - i thought that was quite cool!!! ...i only
ever end up listening in the car or in the office *yawn*  ..hey where do
you guys listen to a&e!!!!!!    oops...that was a big ps!!! i'm off... j.

--
administrative requests should not be sent to the list!
to unsubscribe, send email to listserv@netspace.org
        with the line: signoff indigo-girls
=========================================================================
date:         tue, 17 sep 1996 09:18:31 -0700
reply-to:     brian d heaton <bheaton@txdirect.net>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         brian d heaton <bheaton@txdirect.net>
subject:      re: indigo-girls digest - 16 sep 1996 - special issue
in-reply-to:  <199609170214.waa24265@netspace.org>

the bill dies after a few days (15,30??). its also called a "pocket veto"
bdh

>  date:    mon, 16 sep 1996 13:45:20 -0500
>  from:    trant batey <twb@zycor.lgc.com>
>  subject: re: ignorance is not bliss (nigc)
>
>  does anyone know if a bill is not signed, does it become law or is it
considered
>  vetoed by default?
>

i have to say that i listen to the ig when i'm feeling reflective or
pensive.  (although that raises the question--do i listen to the music when
i'm reflective or does the music make me reflective?)  i don't know if i
can answer that.  i've found that it is great to drive to as well.  usually
i tend to be a rather aggressive driver and the ig fill me with a sort of
calm that makes long trips unconsciously short.  in short, i like them
loud, i like it soft, i just like to listen to them and let their music
transport me to the memories associated with their music and reminisce.
i'd also like to put in my two-cents on the "live or memorex" debate.
although for most groups i believe that studio versions are better than
live performances, i don't believe this holds true for the ig.  i think
this has to do with the massive amounts of overdubbing most bands do that
can't be performed live.  the music of the ig live, although not identical
to their studio versions, seems to pick up an energy of its own from the
crowd (ex. galileo and land of canaan off 1200c).  that's all i have to say
about that...
stay groovy,
ryan

sheri asked:

>i have a question for my fellow listees about how you all listen to the ig.
> do you:
>
> a) listen so intently to the music/lyrics that you are unable to pay
>attention to any other stimuli (i.e. studying, reading for pleasure, carrying
>on a conversation) around you, or
>
> b) listen to the ig and are able to push it to the background so you can
>read, study, speak on the phone, etc. because you are so accustomed to
>listening to them while performing other tasks

de-lurking for this one - it hit a chord with me.  i don't know about
everyone else, but i can't do a damn thing while i am listening to ig.  i
try, but i can't concentrate on reading, a conversation or anything.  i
often would like to listen to them at parties, etc., but i realize that i
can't because i really have to be social or chat with people and i just
can't do it while ig are playing.

and this isn't true with other music that i am not so obsessed with...

interesting question!

allison

in a message dated 96-09-17 10:00:15 edt, you write:

<< i was just looking at my ig cd's and was wondering about the designs/ideas
behind some of the covers. for example, why are a&e made up on rites of
passage - what is the significance? what on earth are the thoughts behind
the cover of swamp ophelia, and as for the cover of 4.5 i just can't
figure it out.... >>

i don't know about the questions you ask but i have noticed that
a lot of the artists involved in their projects appear to be influenced
by howard finster....particularly the jcs cover art....karen chance's
stuff kind of remind's me of finster too....being that he hails from
decatur....he must be especially important to the local artists.

binky

--
administrative requests should not be sent to the list!
to unsubscribe, send email to listserv@netspace.org
        with the line: signoff indigo-girls
=========================================================================
date:         tue, 17 sep 1996 10:49:51 cdt
reply-to:     jennifer hall
              <jennifer=hall%ts=deskcall%cs=hou@bangate.compaq.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         jennifer hall
              <jennifer=hall%ts=deskcall%cs=hou@bangate.compaq.com>
subject:      re: album covers?

i'm not sure about the sigficiance of the covers, but how many other people
think that amy looks like linda ronstadt (sp?) on the cover of so?

peace,
- jen hall
-------------
original text
from juliet long <j.l.a.long@reading.ac.uk>, on 9/17/96 2:55 pm:
to: <indigo-girls@netspace.org>

cheers!

juliet
<http://www.rdg.ac.uk/pris/sed/juliet/home2.html>

--
administrative requests should not be sent to the list!
to unsubscribe, send email to listserv@netspace.org
with the line: signoff indigo-girls

hello!
i just wanted to put in my $0.02 in and say that the new rem cd "new
adventures in hifi" is certainly a must-have if you are/were an rem fan!
it truly reflects some of the most introspective lyrics that michael
stipe has written so far on all of the past albums! although i must
admit that i wasn't impressed by monster and thought automatic was the
end of rem excellence, "new adventures" really proves me wrong and shows
that rem still rocks! the only thing _i'm_ missing from the cd would be
a guest appearance by the igs! so buy it when you go and find "honor"
at your local music store!
david
dsue@bigfoot.com
(hey sarah! write me!)

>listening to ig live albums, we know that they add a bit here and there
>in the music they perform live. what i'd like to start is who likes what
>best? the live music or the recorded music.

     i am definately a memorex girl (live music).  i buy every studio
produced album on the day it's released, but i love my bootlegs.  i
probably haven't played my swamp ophelia cd in a year and it's been at
least 6 months since i've played my 1200 curfews cd.  i'd much rather
listen to no curfews and my other boots.  i listen to ig boots every day!
     which brings up yet another project i'd like to put together....
i want to get every single show the girls did on the demo tour and go
through the boots and choose the best version of their new songs and put
them together onto one tape.  sorta like no curfews, but only the new songs
from the demo tour will be on this one.  i think it would be great to have
a tape of "map" songs before map is even released.  i have 2/3rds of the
shows, but still need a few.

i am looking for these boots from the demo tour:

8/12 hampton beach
8/16 lewiston, ny
8/20 austin, tx
8/21 san antonio, tx
8/22 dallas, tx

i either have all the other shows, or they are on their way to me. if
anyone has any of the above shows, please drop me a line. i have tons to
trade.
thanks for your help y'all.

--sunny

--
administrative requests should not be sent to the list!
to unsubscribe, send email to listserv@netspace.org
        with the line: signoff indigo-girls
=========================================================================
date:         tue, 17 sep 1996 10:10:01 edt
reply-to:     howard barlow/ssi1 <howard_barlow/ssi1.ssi1@notes-gw.tus.ssi1.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         howard barlow/ssi1 <howard_barlow/ssi1.ssi1@notes-gw.tus.ssi1.com>
subject:      re: is it live or is it memorex? (sp?)

i really like the live versions in general.  they are more dynamic
and capture the essence of the audience.  studio recording while
often technically superior, lack much of the emotion captured in a
live recording.  some bands do much better live.  i feel that the
indigo girls are such a band.  their studio recordings are great,
but you have missed so much if you have not experienced them live.
not to mention all the great things they say between the songs.

i especially enjoy the singing and audience participation. songs
like least complicated and kid fears are so great when they have
an audience that sings their part. i do enjoy hearing michael
stipe sing on kid fears, but i would rather be in the audience
singing it at the top of my lungs :)

take care y'all,
- - howdy...

--
administrative requests should not be sent to the list!
to unsubscribe, send email to listserv@netspace.org
        with the line: signoff indigo-girls
=========================================================================
date:         tue, 17 sep 1996 13:02:09 est
reply-to:     "paul j. sgroi" <paul_j._sgroi@ccmail.c-tec.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "paul j. sgroi" <paul_j._sgroi@ccmail.c-tec.com>
subject:      re[2]: album covers?
x-to:         jennifer hall
              <jennifer=hall%ts=deskcall%cs=hou@bangate.compaq.com>

        swamp ophelia ablum cover is my favorite!  i really like the
                        the scene with emily lying on the fainting
                        couch--yeah! that couch would be a great gift
                        for my wife's new drawing room plans, when
                        we finally build our new house!
        amy, emily, can i have it???

...paul

although i think their live music is fantastic, i truly love the studio
version of least complicated. all the instruments, and the na nas ---
it's excellent! now, don't nobody laugh at me ---but, this version reminds
me a-lot of prince's around the world in a day album!!!!..paul

in a message subjected "album covers" this is mentioned...

> and as for the cover of 4.5 i just can't
>figure it out....

am i missing something? what is 4.5?

see ya'!
~~robin

--
administrative requests should not be sent to the list!
to unsubscribe, send email to listserv@netspace.org
        with the line: signoff indigo-girls
=========================================================================
date:         tue, 17 sep 1996 14:13:15 -0400
reply-to:     christine talbot <talbotc@umich.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         christine talbot <talbotc@umich.edu>
subject:      re: is it live or is it memorex? (sp?)
x-to:         wendell lee <wlee@indy1.calarts.edu>
in-reply-to:  <pine.sgi.3.94.960916205132.8040b-100000@indy1>

> >
> > the one that never works as well for me live is "world falls."  in fact,
> > i think the only song from nis better live is prolly pushing the needle
> > too far.  but world falls just never works, for some reason.  i think
> > it's a rhythm thing.
> >
> > yours,
> > chris
>
> hi, um, excuse me?  what about you and me o'the 10,000 wars from back on
> the bus ya'll?  i think that is another from the nis period that tears out
> your heart and shows it to you before you die when played live.
>
>
i hear you, but i think i have to disagree.  the tempo bugs me.  it sounds
like they're singing through water.  other live versions of it are better,
though, so i think i'd have to call that one a tie.

chris

--
administrative requests should not be sent to the list!
to unsubscribe, send email to listserv@netspace.org
        with the line: signoff indigo-girls
=========================================================================
date:         tue, 17 sep 1996 14:19:54 -0400
reply-to:     christine talbot <talbotc@umich.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         christine talbot <talbotc@umich.edu>
subject:      re: how do you listen to the ig?
x-to:         "sheri e. allen" <seaphish@aol.com>
in-reply-to:  <960916235457_480329403@emout06.mail.aol.com>

god, i'm just the post queen today! it's true, i moved across the country
and now you are my only friends :-(.
>
> a) listen so intently to the music/lyrics that you are unable to pay
> attention to any other stimuli (i.e. studying, reading for pleasure, carrying
> on a conversation) around you, or

yes. this happens when i'm being deliberate about my listening,
listening for some kind of purpose, to really delve into the music.
sometimes for therapeutic or regenerative reasons.
>
> b) listen to the ig and are able to push it to the background so you can
> read, study, speak on the phone, etc. because you are so accustomed to
> listening to them while performing other tasks

yes. this happens when i'm not being terribly deliberate and listening to
ig by default. i can never read to music, though, but like doing dishes,
cleaning, etc.
>
> would your answer to the above question be the same if you were listening to
> some other type of music, such as something you hate or don't like as much as
> the ig?

i listen to really bad new age when i study because it doesn't have lyrics
and doesn't demand the kind of cognitive attention good classical demands.
i don't listen to stuff i hate. i have albums that aren't as lyrically
complex that i listen to more often while doing other tasks. i think for
me listening to music while doing other things depends on a) the amount of
attention i feel it takes to process the music, and b) the amount of
attention i have already devoted to sucessfully processing it already.

anyone else? bueller? bueller?

chris ii

i recall being just as perplexed about the 4.5 thing. i don't even think
there is a mention of the label on it (not on my copy anyway). its kind of
a greatest hits thing that they sell at tower records, but it has the look
of an import, and it has a"bird" (not a verse - couldn't resist that) on
the front.

betsy

>in a message subjected "album covers" this is mentioned...
>
>> and as for the cover of 4.5 i just can't
>>figure it out....
>
>am i missing something? what is 4.5?
>
>see ya'!
>~~robin
>
>--
>administrative requests should not be sent to the list!
>to unsubscribe, send email to listserv@netspace.org
> with the line: signoff indigo-girls

--
administrative requests should not be sent to the list!
to unsubscribe, send email to listserv@netspace.org
        with the line: signoff indigo-girls
=========================================================================
date:         tue, 17 sep 1996 14:39:43 -0400
reply-to:     christine talbot <talbotc@umich.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         christine talbot <talbotc@umich.edu>
subject:      re: picking on me
x-to:         dragonman <djarrell@ix5.ix.netcom.com>
in-reply-to:  <199609170013.raa03678@dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com>

hey dwayne!
>
> well, i thought i might pique some curiosities with my comment, there. :)
> so i was forced (yeah, forced - you guys are so evil) to listen to my
> buffalo boot and listen to the witty repartee over and over while i copied
> it down. i think i pretty much got it all, but it won't be the same at all
> if you can't hear emily's sweet voice saying (i guess you will all have to
> try to imagine).
>

what would it take to get this boot from you?  i've attached a copy of my
list, could we work out a trade?  here it is.  the starred ones are the
ones i like and actually listen to with some regularity.  just let me
know!
chris

newport folk festival, 8/6/95, aud rec, fair, 90m
stabler arena, bethlehem pa, 4/27/95, aud rec, fair, 60m
rochester institute of technology, 4/24/94, aud rec, good, 90m
*arts center, carrboro nc, 3/19/88, great, 90m
*honor the earth, winnipeg, may 1994, recorded from radio, good, 55m
*university of rochester, 4/27/91, aud rec, great, 100m
*new orleans jazz festival, 5/2/96, aud rec, fair, 90m
*new orleans jazz festival, 5/4/96, aud rec, great, 90m
*atlanta pride, atlanta ga, 6/30/96, aud rec, good, 100m, w/hash and viva
        la diva
live at the red light cafe, 2/25/96, aud rec, fair, 90m, w/cooper seay &
        michelle malone
queensland performing arts center, brisbane australia, 2/22/95, aud rec,
        fair, 110m, tmf/cortez the killer-cut
denver co, 10/22/90, aud rec, fair, 90m
palace at new haven ct, 4/24/95, aud rec, fair, chickenman soc
athens music festival, 9/88, aud rec, fair, w/rem and other artists
*chapel hill, nc, 11-13-87, good, 90m
*radio city music hall, ny, 6/28/94, good
honor the earth, oscar mayer theatre, madison wi, 5/8/95, aud rec, good
        120m, tmf/cortez the killer

*urban nirvana, atlanta ga, 11/93, good, 45m
*96 rock peach jam, 3/89, recorded from radio, great, 35m, interview
*club r&r, 8/7/92, great, 90m, w/allman brothers band
*live at little five points pub (reverse 1-live), 45m
*live at the purple parrot, 1986, good
*blood and fire, 90/93, recorded from cd, great, 76m
*nothing to hide, recorded from cd, great
*history of us, 89/90/93, recorded from cd, great, 78m
*in with the out crowd, 94/95, recorded from cd, great, 71m
complicated girls, 94/95, could be a suspect copy.
shades of indigo, 1990, recorded from cd, great, interview with shawn
colvin

indicated iii, 1996, indigo covers by list members, quality varies by song
indigo originals, 1996, fair, compiled by neil hunt
cover me gray, compilation tape, poor copy

tuesdays children, 1981, good, 60m, recorded as the b-band
color me gray, 1985, good, ar solo, 60m
blue food, 5/86, good, 60m
*ep, good, 45m
*ep and more, released summer 96 by rainy day records, cd, excellent, 75m
*original strange fire, 1988, great quality, 45m

tori amos, toronto 1992, good, 90m
tracy chapman, paolo soleri, santa fe nm, 7/25/96, aud rec, fair, 90m

--
administrative requests should not be sent to the list!
to unsubscribe, send email to listserv@netspace.org
        with the line: signoff indigo-girls
=========================================================================
date:         tue, 17 sep 1996 14:51:50 edt
reply-to:     "christopher m. becker" <cmbecker@space.mit.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "christopher m. becker" <cmbecker@space.mit.edu>
subject:      re: stupid question?
x-to:         bbertiaux@spectrumctls.com
in-reply-to:  <v01100007ae643cbdcae0@[199.174.41.67]>; from "betsy bertiaux" at
              sep 17, 96 11:35 am

betsy writes:

good eye on the import thing.  it is a greatest hits compilation that
was released overseas (europe and maybe austrailia) but not in the
states.  tower and hmv sell it as part of their import collection, but
imho its not worth it unless you are trying to be a completeist.  the
tracks are all the standard album tracks simply repackaged.

i have yet to figure out the bird on the cover. =)

-- chris

hi all!
hey, i finally realized that i do actually have some of my own
misheard lyrics. what is the funniest about these is that you don't
really realize you don't know the words until you hear someone else
singing them or you wake up and read the lyric sheets!

land of cannan "it's just a rage in saigon..." instead of "it's
just a raging cycle"

nashville "i feel the munees to kiss..." instead of "i fell on
my knees to kiss..."

don't ask me how, but i actually understood what amy meant in
nashville i just didn't understand what she was saying.

later, melissa

i just wanted to thank you all for your personal notes about my
interprtation of emilys song..thought i might get major flames for being
so personal but you guys (and gals,,ergirls,,er ladies..well youknow..)
are wonderful..i thank you all and wish i could hug you all ( some more
than others!!!)
pooh

i happen to like the live version of chickenman better...  (i'm always
impressed when they hit the note and then come in with the chord) and i've
been told i'm in the minority for liking the sax thing...  however... my
problem is that it sounds very much the same live (though not always...) on
their live albums...  my offering to the string...

alec

hey folks!

i've finished lyrics to my first song, although the music is in the making
(maybe i'm working in reverse here)... anyhow, i was wondering if anyone would
give me input on them. i need critiques!! if you're willing, let me know and
i'll send you the lyrics (i know you can't tell much without music, but then
again... i guess it's like sarah mclachlan says, without hearing the music,
lyrics just seem like bad poetry. but, i'd still like opinions).

any volunteers??

peace and new songwriters,
tamara

hey all,

just thought i'd remind those in the bay area that shawn mullins will be
at the paradise lounge either tonight or tomorrow night. i can't remember
which night. he and his girlfriend, kelly, stuck around seattle an extra
day and are driving down to the bay area as we speak in a total rush.

i think the paradise lounge is on market street. sorry i don't have more
info. you should look in a phone book for a better idea.

the show most likely will be free. so, if you get a chance, check him
out! he was just up here in seattle and i saw him both nights he played
and he is incredible.

aside from being just an incredibly nice guy, he is really talented and a
real inspiration. make sure you request "salt lake city, 1973".

see him, see him, see him. you won't regret it.

okay.

thanks for listening.

carolyn

--
administrative requests should not be sent to the list!
to unsubscribe, send email to listserv@netspace.org
        with the line: signoff indigo-girls
=========================================================================
date:         tue, 17 sep 1996 15:37:34 cdt
reply-to:     naz <nazman@iastate.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         naz <nazman@iastate.edu>
subject:      nigc: bejae fleming, the bone people, & willie porter!!!
x-to:         iglist@iastate.edu, stacy <socwat@wvin.com>
x-cc:         bejaef@aol.com

hi all ya!!

way back when (9/4/96), stacy said

>hey,
>check out what's playing on radio here in the northwest(public radio)the
>show is called "without a net" . here is a recent playlist.

...where i saw among the songs played:

>artist/song/cd/label/new
...
>bejae fleming/let's drive on/red cross woman/trailer/yes

bejae's new cd is great! it's fun, poignant, witty, thoughtful "folk
and blues", and i'm not just saying that because she's got a song about
iowa! i got to see bejae here in ames, where she's based, and fell in
love with her poet's view and fun tunes-- you can check out bejae's
homepage at

http://129.186.123.55/bejae/bejae.htm for sound clips and more

while i'm at it, also based in ames (we're a regular hotbed of talent!)
is a band called the bone people (actually now i think it's 'debra
marquart and the bone people') that you should watch for... powerful,
moving jazz-poetry, storytelling and rhythm & blues. deb sings backup
on one of bejae's songs too, btw...

they don't have a web page yet that i know of, but they do have two cds
out (email me for more info), and deb's published a collection of her
poetry, "everything's a verb", available from the new rivers press
(1-800-339-2011) or by hounding your local bookstore. great stuff,
thought-provoking and haunting (and some just plain fun!)

one last rec: willie porter, a minneapolis-based singer-songwriter in
the best "intense acoustic rock" category... i don't have his cd with me
right now, but if you're interested let me know & i'll send you more
info. "no angry words" has been a great anthem for me, about getting on
with life ("i'm finally getting over the sad part of yesterday, no angry
words to say...")

great musicians all-- i just had to share!!
enjoy!

take care,
naz

        i am looking  to do some trading to enlarge my collection of bootlegs.
i'm especially interested in the recent ones like the no jazz festival,
or atlanta pride,  but i'd be willing to trade for older stuff too.
        if you are interested email me and i'll send you my list, and you
can see if i have anything you'd like to trade for.
        thanks!

happy day,
jennie

i'd say that the ig are definately the background music of my life. ("if my
life were a movie...") no matter what i'm doing, they're usually in the
stereo at the same time (and when i don't have a stereo handy, they're
singing in my head :) i never tune them out like i would other background
music though, and i usually sing along so when i'm doing a fairly
unimportant task, it works out well. it's when i try to combine ig and
homework (happens on a daily basis :) that i get in trouble, since ig always
win out, and while listening to amy and emily usually greatly improves my
mood, math or spanish takes a lot longer than it would otherwise. anyone
else experience this?

~abigail

>          how about the rest of you?
>
>          xena warrior princess
>          aka lisa
>
>--
>administrative requests should not be sent to the list!
>to unsubscribe, send email to listserv@netspace.org
>        with the line: signoff indigo-girls
>
>
****************in the words of emily saliers:******************

naz wrote:
>one last rec: willie porter, a minneapolis-based singer-songwriter in
>the best "intense acoustic rock" category... i don't have his cd with me
>right now, but if you're interested let me know & i'll send you more
>info. "no angry words" has been a great anthem for me, about getting on
>with life ("i'm finally getting over the sad part of yesterday, no angry
>words to say...")

minneapolis? no, no, no...willie porter is a milwaukee lad. i believe he
has 3 cds, his latest (with "no angry words") being "dog earred dream".
just like some other milwaukee guys (the bodean's), willie had one of his
tunes on the show "party of five" last season.

deb

sorry y'all, but i have a lot of boots but...the real thing is very
privately...very nice! yeah, i love the crowds, the guys yelling in your
ear, but, hey, we are talking the *best* :) we are talking "you and me" and
that's what you get from the cd....i can *hardly* wait 'til there is another
one!
jude :)

i would like to voice my support of joann's post. if you don't like what you
see, don't read it. why do people insist that everyone stop something they
don't personally like, like a child in a temper tantrum?
ig have made it clear that politics are important to them, if we can talk about
whether or not they smoke and consider it relevant, why aren't political posts
just as accepted?
my two cents.
cari

--
@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
mashed up and messed up, just
like everything else i own.
@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

--
administrative requests should not be sent to the list!
to unsubscribe, send email to listserv@netspace.org
        with the line: signoff indigo-girls
=========================================================================
date:         tue, 17 sep 1996 17:10:07 -0600
reply-to:     alan fleming <alanf@dorje.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         alan fleming <alanf@dorje.com>
subject:      re: nigc:  shawn mullins will be in san fran
in-reply-to:  <199609172304.taa16798@netspace.org> from "automatic digest
              processor" at sep 17, 96 07:04:36 pm

<carolyn chow (egg@u.washington.edu) wrote:>
>
>just thought i'd remind those in the bay area that shawn mullins will be
>at the paradise lounge either tonight or tomorrow night. i can't remember
>which night.
>
his show is tonight, tuesday sept 17.

>so, if you get a chance, check him out!
>
i second the recommendation.

the remainder of the dates on his current tour are:

   9/17 - paradise lounge - san francisco, ca
   9/18 - cafe largo - los angeles, ca
   9/19 - common ground - phoenix, az
   9/21 - cafe oasis - santa fe, nm
   9/22 - bridge center for cont. arts - el paso, tx
   9/23 - cactus cafe - austin, tx
   9/24 - poet's - jackson, ms
   9/25 - neutral ground - new orleans, la
   9/26 - hal's & mal's - jackson, ms
   9/27 - southern lights coffee house - fairhope, al
   9/28 - sluggo's - pensacola, fl

--
think peace.
- alan (alanf@dorje.com) http://www.dorje.com:8080/~alanf
kotbbbb (1988 gsxr1100j) racebike (ft500) dod# 4210 pgp key available

--
administrative requests should not be sent to the list!
to unsubscribe, send email to listserv@netspace.org
        with the line: signoff indigo-girls
=========================================================================
date:         tue, 17 sep 1996 17:22:49 cdt
reply-to:     naz <nazman@iastate.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         naz <nazman@iastate.edu>
subject:      re: nigc: bejae fleming, the bone people, & willie porter!!!
x-to:         iglist@iastate.edu
in-reply-to:  your message of "tue, 17 sep 1996 16:34:18 mdt."
              <v01540b12ae64d504334e@[151.186.5.88]>

hi deb, hi all!

deb corrected my misinformed post:

>minneapolis? no, no, no...willie porter is a milwaukee lad. i believe he
>has 3 cds, his latest (with "no angry words") being "dog earred dream".
>just like some other milwaukee guys (the bodean's), willie had one of his
>tunes on the show "party of five" last season.

thanks for the correction deb-- milwaukee should definitely get the
credit! and thanks for the great news!! (2 more willie cds than i knew
about!)

take care,
naz

p.s. anyone planning to meet at/after the minneapolis show? i hadn't
heard anything about the show or listmeet recently, but i might be
able to go after all (gotta hit ticketmonster on the way home to see if
there are any tickets left) and would love to say hi to some of y'all...

all righty kids, after a 4 day separation from my computer (it was in the
shop), wherein i actually wasted away right here on the floor, it was tragic
really, but i came back to life when my computer returned and now everything
is all better. so, here is the zodiac list for the bumbershoot 1996 bootleg!

gemini-- cynthia crecca@admin.njit.edu

cancer-- mary ugkushma@ecuvm.cis.ecu.edu

leo--- chris talbotc@umich.edu

virgo-- kristina andrade@az.com

libra--- jessica a-jessio@microsoft.com

scorpio-- betsy bbertiaux@spectrumctls.com

sagit -- deb doobie@student.umass.edu

capricorn-- sundara smurphy@ups.edu

aquarius-- susan susan.b.marine@darthmouth.edu

pisces-- lisa nordeelm@caa.mrs.umn.edu

aries-- melissa hdtx97a@prodigy.com

taurus--- gwen gkeyt@paul.spu.edu

uk/eur-- seffy seffy@epic.co.uk

aus/nz -- sherlyn sherlyn@fl.net.au

i don't know for sure about canada yet, if someone is willing to do it for
me, let me know.  all you need to do is email the person with your
birthsign, and let them know you want the tape, and they will tell you where
to send your 90 min tape in a sase.
sorry it took so long but i was off-line....   i hope you all enjoy the
boot.  no one actually has the tape yet, it might take a few days, but they
are in the mail!
all righty then!  and special apologies to cynthia, who thought i ran off
and got married.  no, i am still safely unwed....

love
corinne

hey aquarians,

i have a stack of tapes set to go out in the mail tomorrow. sorry for the
delay...my tape deck had to go into the repair shop for the past week and a
half. but it's back now and you should get the tapes soon :> sorry to waste
the list space with this...

peace,
elizabeth

  this message is in mime format.  the first part should be readable text,
  while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without mime-aware tools.
  send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info.

--0-1500291693-843004842=:32482
content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

this kinda is ig related and well it wasnt that big so i attached it i
tried to insert it but it messes up so u can read everyhting anyway its a
interview with candice newts lesbian sister from prodigy hope u enjoy it

--0-1500291693-843004842=:32482
content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; name="newtsis.txt"
content-transfer-encoding: base64
content-id: <pine.osf.3.95.960917200042.32482c@alpha.delta.edu>
content-description:

dq0kdq0kny84lzk2lcagnjozmybqtsbfva0ncg0ncg0ncg0ncknhbmrhy2ug
r2luz3jpy2gsida3lzaxdq0kdq0kdq0kia0ncg0nck1vzgvyyxrvciaou3bl
ywtlcikndqondqpxzwxjb21lihrvifbyb2rpz3kgu3bvdgxpz2h0isbub25p
z2h0j3mgz3vlc3qgaxmgq2fuzgfjzsbhaw5ncmljacwgshvtyw4gumlnahrz
igfuzcbhyxkgyw5kiexlc2jpyw4gqwn0axzpc3qsigfuzcboywxmlxnpc3rl
cibvziagtmv3dcbhaw5ncmljac4gvghpcybpcyb0agugdgltzsb0bybizwdp
bibzdwjtaxr0aw5nihlvdxigcxvlc3rpb25zihrvienhbmrhy2uuifdlihdp
bgwgymvnaw4gcg9zdgluzyb5b3vyigfuc3dlcmvkihf1zxn0aw9ucybhdcax
mhbtievulcbzbybzdgf5ihdpdgggdxmgyw5kihdlj2xsihbyzxzpzxcgb3vy
ihnwb3rsawdodcbndwvzdc4ndqondqogdq0kdq0ktw9kzxjhdg9yichtcgvh
a2vykq0ncg0nckdvb2qgzxzlbmluzywgq2fuzgfjzswgyw5kihdlbgnvbwug
dg8guhjvzglnesbtcg90bglnahqhiel0iglzigegcgxlyxn1cmugdg8gy2hh
dcb3axroihlvdsb0b25pz2h0igfuzcbhcmugbg9va2luzybmb3j3yxjkihrv
ihlvdxigcmvzcg9uc2vzigfuzcb2awv3cy4gtwvtymvycywgcgxlyxnlighl
bhagdxmgd2vsy29tzsbdyw5kywnliedpbmdyawnoiq0ncg0nciandqondqpd
yw5kywnliedpbmdyawnoichtcgvha2vykq0ncg0nckl0j3mgz29vzcb0bybz
cgvhayb0byb5b3ugywxsihrocm91z2ggdghlihdvbmrlcnmgb2ygy3lizxjz
cgfjzsegssbob3blihroyxqgew91ihjlywxpemugd2hhdcbhbibpbxbvcnrh
bnqgzwxly3rpb24gewvhcib0aglziglzlibjj2xsihryesb0bybhbnn3zxig
yxmgbwfuesbvzib5b3vyihf1zxn0aw9ucybhcybjignhbib0b25pz2h0lg0n
cg0nciandqondqpnawnrzxleb2xlbnogkfbst0rjr1kgtwvtymvykq0ncg0n
ckhvdybvbgqgd2vyzsb5b3ugyw5kie5ld3qgd2hlbib5b3ugd2vyzsbib3ro
igxpdmluzyb1bmrlcib0agugc2ftzsbyb29migfzighhbgytynjvdghlcibh
bmqgagfszi1zaxn0zxi/dq0kdq0kia0ncg0ncknhbmrhy2ugr2luz3jpy2gg
kfnwzwfrzxipdq0kdq0ktmv2zxiuiehlihdhcybhbhjlywr5ig1hcnjpzwqg
yw5kighhzcboaxmgzmlyc3qgy2hpbgqgymvmb3jliekgd2fzigv2zw4gym9y
bi4ndqondqogdq0kdq0krglyzwn0iehpdcaoufjprelhwsbnzw1izxipdq0k
dq0kvg9kyxkncybollkuierhawx5ie5ld3mgcmfuigfuigfydgljbgugdghh
dcb0ywxrzwqgywjvdxqgew91cib1cgnvbwluzybib29rlcbuagugqwnjawrl
bnrhbcbby3rpdmlzdc4gsxqgc2f5cyb5b3ugcg9ydhjhesbozxd0igfzigeg
c3rpbmt5ig9szcbidwxsesb3ag8gd291bgruj3qgbgv0ihlvdsbpbnrvighp
cybyb29tlibjcyb0aglzigfjy3vyyxrlpw0ncg0nciandqondqpdyw5kywnl
iedpbmdyawnoichtcgvha2vykq0ncg0nckkndmugbmv2zxigcmvmzxjyzwqg
dg8gbxkgynjvdghlcibhcyaiysbzdglua3kgb2xkigj1bgx5lcigyw5kihdl
ig5ldmvyigv2zw4gbgl2zwqgaw4gdghlihnhbwugag91c2ugdg9nzxrozxiu
ifnvieknbsbub3qgzxzlbibzdxjliekga25ldyb3agvyzsboaxmgcm9vbsb3
yxmhdq0kdq0kia0ncg0nckn5ymvyu2xpzgvyichquk9esudzie1lbwjlcikn
dqondqpuagugyxj0awnszsbpbib0b2rhesdzie5ldybzb3jrierhawx5ie5l
d3mgc2fpzcb0agf0ihlvdsdkihryawvkihrozsbzdhjhawdodcbsawzligjy
awvmbhksigj5igrhdgluzybhigjsywnrig1hbibuyw1lzcbgcm9zdhkuifdo
esbkbyb5b3ugdghpbmsgew91igrpzcb0agf0pw0ncg0nciandqondqpdyw5k
ywnliedpbmdyawnoichtcgvha2vykq0ncg0ncldlbgwsigf0ihrozsb0aw1l
iekgd2fzigluigp1bmlvciboawdoihnjag9vbcwgyw5kiekgdghpbmsgdghh
dcbhdcb0agf0igfnzswgssb3yxmganvzdcbkb2luzyb3agf0igv2zxj5b25l
igvsc2ugd2fzigrvaw5nlibjigxpa2vkighpbsbtb3jlihroyw4gyw55ig9m
ihrozsbvdghlcibib3lzigf0ihnjag9vbc4gqw5kihdozw4gew91j3jligdv
b2qgznjpzw5kcywgew91igp1c3qsihlvdsbrbm93lcbnbybzdgvhzhkhiehp
cybuyw1lihdhcybsb2jlcnqgrnjvc3qudq0kdq0kia0ncg0nclbszxjresao
ufjprelhwsbnzw1izxipdq0kdq0kv2vyzsb5b3ugamvhbg91cybvcibyzxnl
bnrmdwwgb2ygtmv3dcb3aglszsb5b3ugd2vyzsbncm93aw5nihvwpybxahk/
dq0kdq0kia0ncg0ncknhbmrhy2ugr2luz3jpy2ggkfnwzwfrzxipdq0kdq0k
vghlihbocmfzzsbzawjsaw5nihjpdmfscnkgzg9lc24ndcbldmvuihnlzw0g
ywnjdxjhdgusihnpbmnlihdlj3zlig5ldmvyigv2zw4gbgl2zwqgaw4gdghl
ihnhbwugag91c2ugdg9nzxrozxiuiej1dcbjig11c3qgc2f5igl0j3mgagfy
zcb0bybsaxzligluigegag91c2ugd2hlcmugdghlig1vc3qgdgfsa2vkigfi
b3v0ihblcnnvbibpcybzb21lb25lihlvdsbuzxzlcibldmvuigdvdcbhigno
yw5jzsb0bybyzwfsbhkga25vdy4ndqondqogdq0kdq0kzuxit3cnqxzpj29p
ichquk9esudzie1lbwjlcikndqondqpxagvuigrpzcb5b3ugzmlyc3qgcmvh
bgl6zsb0agf0ihlvdsb3zxjligdhet8ndqondqogdq0kdq0kq2fuzgfjzsbh
aw5ncmljacaou3blywtlcikndqondqpjigzpcnn0igfja25vd2xlzgdlzcbp
dcb3agvuiekgd2fzidiwlcbidxqgchjpb3igdg8gdghhdcboywqgzmvlbglu
z3mgb2ygymvpbmcgimrpzmzlcmvudcwiigj1dcbkawruj3qgcxvpdguga25v
dyb3agf0ihroyxqgd2fzlibcesb0agugd2f5lcbjj20gbm93idmwlg0ncg0n
ciandqondqptugldwsbgumlfuyaoufjprelhwsbnzw1izxipdq0kdq0ksg93
iglzigjlaw5nigdhesblzmzly3rlzcb5b3uncmugbglmzt8ndqondqogdq0k
dq0kq2fuzgfjzsbhaw5ncmljacaou3blywtlcikndqondqpjdcb0b29rig1l
igegbg90igxvbmdlcib0bybmzwvsihroyxqgssb0cnvsesbrbmv3ihdobybj
ihdhcywgyw5kigzlzwwgbglrzsbhignvbxbszxrlihblcnnvbi4gtw9zdcb5
b3v0acbzzwugaw1hz2vzigfuzcbyzwzlcmvuy2vzihrvig9ubhkgagv0zxjv
c2v4dwfsigfkdwx0cy4gvghpcybsywnrig9migfja25vd2xlzgdtzw50ig9m
igdhesbhbmqgbgvzymlhbibwzw9wbgugbwfkzsbpdcb0agf0ig11y2ggagfy
zgvyihrvihjly29nbml6zsbtexnlbgyudq0kdq0kia0ncg0nclnhbw15c2vh
q293ichquk9esudzie1lbwjlcikndqondqphb29kigv2zw5pbmcgq2fuzgfj
zsendqondqogdq0kdq0kq2fuzgfjzsbhaw5ncmljacaou3blywtlcikndqon
dqpjighvcgugew91j3jlihjlz2lzdgvyzwqgdg8gdm90zswgu2ftbxkhiefu
zcbpzibub3qsihbszwfzzsbkbyendqondqogdq0kdq0krglyzwn0iehpdcao
ufjprelhwsbnzw1izxipdq0kdq0krhvyaw5nighpcybhzg9szxnjzw50ihll
yxjzlcbkawqgtmv3dglligxvb2sgyw55dghpbmcgbglrzsb0agugb3jpz2lu
ywwguhvnc2xlesbmcm9ticjuagugqwrhbxmgrmftawx5ij8ndqondqogdq0k
dq0kq2fuzgfjzsbhaw5ncmljacaou3blywtlcikndqondqoobg90cybvzibs
yxvnagluzyepiefjdhvhbgx5ig5vlibuagugcghvdg9zig9mighpbsbjj3zl
ihnlzw4gaw4gaglziejvesbty291dcb1bmlmb3jtlcbozsdzihlvdxigdhlw
awnhbcb3axj5igtpzc4ndqondqogdq0kdq0kbmpkzxzpbdy5ichquk9esudz
ie1lbwjlcikndqondqpdyw5kywnllcbpdcdzigegc2xvdybuawdodcbpbibo
zxjlihrvbmlnahqgyw5kieknbsbub3qgbxvjacbmb3igcg9saxrpy3mhiej1
dcwgssboyxzlihrvighhbmqgaxqgdg8gew91ihn0awnraw5nihvwigzvcib0
agugcmlnahrzig9mihrozsbwzw9wbgugdghhdcbhcmugy29uc2lkzxjlzcbu
b3qgdghlig5vcm0uli5eb2vzigl0igjly29tzsbkawzmawn1bhqgyxqgdglt
zxmgc3rhbmrpbmcgzm9yihdoyxqgew91igjlbglldmugaw4/pw0ncg0ncian
dqondqpdyw5kywnliedpbmdyawnoichtcgvha2vykq0ncg0nckfjdhvhbgx5
lcbjihroaw5rihroyxqgb25jzsb5b3ugcmvhbgl6zsb5b3ugyxjlignhcgfi
bgugb2ygzg9pbmcgaxqsigl0j3mgdghligvhc2llc3qgdghpbmcgaw4gdghl
ihdvcmxklibjignhbid0igltywdpbmugysbtb3jlihjld2fyzgluzyb0exbl
ig9mihdvcmsudq0kdq0kia0ncg0ncmvhbtizichquk9esudzie1lbwjlcikn
dqondqpxagf0iglzihrozsbszwdhbcbzdgf0dxmgb2ygc2ftzsbzzxggbwfy
cmlhz2vzigfuzcb3agvuigrvihlvdsb0agluayb0agugbgf3igxlz2fsaxpp
bmcgdghpcyb3awxsigjligvuywn0zwq/dq0kdq0kia0ncg0ncknhbmrhy2ug
r2luz3jpy2ggkfnwzwfrzxipdq0kdq0ksw4gbm8gc3rhdgugaw4gb3vyignv
dw50cnkgcmlnahqgbm93iglzihnhbwutc2v4ig1hcnjpywdligxlz2fslibp
bmugc3rhdgusiehhd2fpaswgaxmgzxhhbwluaw5nigl0igluihrozsbjb3vy
dhmgcmlnahqgbm93lcbhbmqgd2lsbcbwcm9iywjsesbkzwnpzgugaxqgaw4g
ysbmzxcgewvhcnmudq0kdq0kia0ncg0ncljhesbcb3vycxvlichquk9esudz
ie1lbwjlcikndqondqpjigftig9ubhkgysb0zwvulcbidxqgssbozwfyzcbh
ym91dcb5b3uuiekgyw0gysbtdxnpy2lhbibhbmqgaw4gdghlig11c2ljigj1
c2luzxnzihrozxjligfyzsbtb3jligdhesbwzw9wbguuifdozw4gaxqgy29t
zxmgdg8gynvzaw5lc3mgyw5kiglmigegcgvyc29uiglzigdheswgdghvdwdo
iekgzg9uj3qgbglrzsb0agugywn0ig9mighvbw8tc2v4dwfsaxr5iekgdghp
bmssihrozxkgyxjlbid0igrvaw5nigfuexroaw5nihrvig1llcbhbgwgssbo
yxzlihrvigrviglzigdldcb0agugbxvzawmgz2lnigrvbmugyw5kigl0igrv
zxnuj3qgagf2zsb0bybizwnvbwugysbmcmllbmrzaglwlibuagugew91igfy
zsbpbnzvbhzlzcbwb2xpdgljywxsesb0aglzigfsbcbjb21lcybkb3duihrv
igdhesbyawdodhmuiekgzg8gbm90ihroaw5rihroyxqgysbnyxkgcgvyc29u
ihnob3vszcbnzxqgaw52b2x2zwqgaw4gysbzdhjhaxqgcgvyc29ucybsawzl
igfuzcbzchjlywqgysbkaxnlyxnllg0ncg0nciandqondqpdyw5kywnliedp
bmdyawnoichtcgvha2vykq0ncg0nckfzigzhcibhcybqb2jzigdvlcbhbgwg
dghhdcb3zsbhc2sgzm9yiglzihrvigjligp1zgdlzcbiyxnlzcbvbib0agug
d29yayb0agf0ihdligrvlibzb3ugzg9uj3qgbmvjzxnzyxjpbhkgagf2zsb0
bybhchbyb3zlig9mihvzihrvihjlywxpemugdghhdcb3zsbjyw4gzg8gysbn
b29kigpvyi4gqw5kigfjdhvhbgx5lcbsyxksihrozsaizglzzwfzzxmiihlv
dsdyzsbyzwzlcnjpbmcgdg8gyxjlihnvbwv0agluzyb0agf0igv4axn0igfu
zcbuzwvkihrvigjligrlywx0ihdpdggsigfuzcbwzw9wbgugbmvlzcbtb3jl
igfjy3vyyxrligluzm9ybwf0aw9uigfib3v0ihrozw0udq0kdq0kia0ncg0n
ckxvb2tomm15igkneiaoufjprelhwsbnzw1izxipdq0kdq0kqmvmb3jliekg
bwv0ig15igjlc3qgznjpzw5klcbjigftigegc3ryywlnahqgd29tyw4gyw5k
ihnozsbpcybhigxlc2jpyw4siekgd2fzihf1axrlihvuyxdhcmugyw5kihvu
y29uy2vybmvkigv2zw4sigfib3v0igdhesbyawdodhmuicbjighhdmugbm93
igjly29tzsbxdwl0zsbhd2fyzsbvzib0agugc3rydwdnbgvzihnozsbkzwfs
cyb3axroic4gliauihdoyxqgaxmgaxqgdghhdcb3zswgyxmgagv0zxjvc2v4
dwfscywgy2fuigrvihrvighlbhagew91cibtb3zlbwvudd8ndqondqogdq0k
dq0kq2fuzgfjzsbhaw5ncmljacaou3blywtlcikndqondqpjdcdzigltcg9y
dgfudcb0agf0ihlvdsbhcmugywjszsb0bybjb21lig91dcbhcybhig5vbi1n
yxkgc3vwcg9ydgvyigluig91cibmawdodcbmb3igzxf1ywwgcmlnahrzlibu
agugtmv3c3dlzwsgcg9sbcbhigzldyb3zwvrcybhz28gc2hvd2vkihroyxqg
odqgcgvyy2vudcbvzibbbwvyawnhbnmgc3vwcg9ydcblcxvhbcbyawdodhmg
aw4gdghlihdvcmtwbgfjzs4gv2ugbmvlzcbldmvyew9uzsdzihzvawnllcbw
yxj0awn1bgfybhkgaw4gdghlihzvdgluzybib290acwgdg8gagf2zsb0aglz
ig1lc3nhz2ugagvhcmqudq0kdq0kia0ncg0nckrpcmvjdcbiaxqgkfbst0rj
r1kgtwvtymvykq0ncg0ncldhcybozxd0j3mgy2hhaxigywx3yxlzighpz2hl
cib0agfuigv2zxj5b25ligvsc2uncybhdcb0agugzglubmvyihrhymxlpw0n
cg0nciandqondqpdyw5kywnliedpbmdyawnoichtcgvha2vykq0ncg0ncihs
yxvnagluzykgww91j2qgagf2zsb0bybhc2sgbw9tihroyxqgb25liq0ncg0n
ciandqondqptbmfwcgluzyaoufjprelhwsbnzw1izxipdq0kdq0kv2hhdcb3
yxmgew91cibvcgluaw9uig9mihrozsbdb25uawugq2h1bmcgaw5jawrlbnq/
dq0kdq0kia0ncg0ncknhbmrhy2ugr2luz3jpy2ggkfnwzwfrzxipdq0kdq0k
sxqgy2vydgfpbmx5ihrhdwdodcbvdxigd2hvbgugzmftawx5igegcxvpy2sg
bgvzc29uigluig1lzglhihryywluaw5nlibuagugr29szgvuifj1bgugaxmg
dghhdcb0agugbwljcm9wag9uzsbpcybhbhdhexmgb24udq0kdq0kia0ncg0n
cknucglyyw5oysaoufjprelhwsbnzw1izxipdq0kdq0ktxmuiedpbmdyawno
lcbob3cgzg8gew91igzlzwwgywjvdxqgz2f5igfuzcbszxniawfuihbvcnry
yxlhbhmgaw4gdghlig1lzglhpybeawqgew91igfwcgvhcibvbiairnjpzw5k
cyigdg8gc2vuzcbhihbvbgl0awnhbcbtzxnzywdlpw0ncg0nciandqondqpd
yw5kywnliedpbmdyawnoichtcgvha2vykq0ncg0nclbvcnryyxlhbhmgaw4g
dghlig1lzglhighhdmugdmfzdgx5igltchjvdmvkigluihrozsbwyxn0igzl
dyb5zwfycy4gww91ig5vdybzzwugywnjdxjhdgugcmvmbgvjdglvbnmgb2yg
z2f5igfuzcbszxniawfuieftzxjpy2fucy0td29ya2luzywgagf2aw5nigxv
bmctdgvybswgy29tbwl0dgvkihjlbgf0aw9uc2hpchmsihjhaxnpbmcgy2hp
bgryzw4tlw5vdcb0agugdxn1ywwgc3rlcmvvdhlwzxmgb2ygdghlihbhc3qu
iekgyxbwzwfyzwqgb24grnjpzw5kcywgaw4gbxkgbwluzcwgdg8gdghhbmsg
dghlbsbmb3igdghlaxigywnjdxjhdgugcg9ydhjhewfslcbhbmqgbwf5ymug
dghlesb3zxjligluihr1cm4gdghhbmtpbmcgbwugzm9yihrozsb3b3jrihro
yxqgssboywqgymvlbibkb2luzy4ndqondqogdq0kdq0kyw1hdcbwc3ljichq
uk9esudzie1lbwjlcikndqondqpjihdhdgnozwqgyw4gaw50zxj2awv3ihdp
dgggew91ig9uifrwigegzmv3ig1vbnrocybhz28gd2l0acbjignhbid0ihjl
bwvtymvyihdoby4uigfuexdheswgssb0ag91z2h0ihlvdsb3zxjligdyzwf0
isegrg9lcyb5b3vyigjyb3rozxigdgfsayb0byb5b3ugbm93pz8gqw5kighv
dybkb2vzihlvdxigbw90agvyigzlzwwgywjvdxqgdghlihdob2xlihroaw5n
pybjcybzagugywxzbybhihjlchvibgljyw4gbglrzsbozxd0pw0ncg0ncian
dqondqpdyw5kywnliedpbmdyawnoichtcgvha2vykq0ncg0nckkgc3bva2ug
ynjpzwzsesb3axroig15igjyb3rozxigd2hlbibjihnhdyboaw0gbgfzdcwg
d2hlbibozsbndwvzdc1ob3n0zwqgtgfycnkgs2luzybmaxzllibnb20gaxmg
ysbszxb1ymxpy2fulcbidxqgc2hliglzihn0awxsigegbw9tlcbhbmqgaxmg
chjvdwqgb2ysigfuzcbzdxbwb3j0cybhbmqgbg92zxmsigjvdgggb2ygdxmu
dq0kdq0kia0ncg0ncmftyxqgchn5yyaoufjprelhwsbnzw1izxipdq0kdq0k
ssbhbsbhigxlc2jpyw4gcgfyzw50ig9migegmib5zwfyig9szcbib3kgyw5k
ihdhbnrlzcb0bybrbm93ihdoyxqgssbjyw4gzg8gdg8gzmlnahqgzglzy3jp
bwluyxrpb24gywdhaw5zdcbnyxlzigfuzcbszxniawfucybhcybwyxjlbnrz
pybbihzlcnkgc2vuc2l0axzliglzc3vligfsbcbvdmvylcbidxqgzxzlbibt
b3jlihnvigluihrozsbtb3v0ac4ndqondqogdq0kdq0kq2fuzgfjzsbhaw5n
cmljacaou3blywtlcikndqondqpjihdvdwxkigjly29tzsbhy3rpdmugaw4g
ew91cibjb21tdw5pdhksigp1c3qgyxmgbm9ulwdhesbwyxjlbnrzihdvdwxk
libkb2luihrozsbqveesigjlihbhcnqgb2ygy29tbwlzc2lvbnmsihj1bibm
b3igdghlihnjag9vbcbib2fyzc4gswygdghhdcdzig5vdcbhbibvchrpb24s
igf0igxlyxn0igtlzxagyw4gb3blbibkawfsb2cgd2l0acblbgvjdgvkig9m
zmljawfscyb3ag8gbwfrzsbkzwnpc2lvbnmgdghhdcbhzmzly3qgew91cibm
yw1pbhkudq0kdq0kia0ncg0ncknucglyyw5oysaoufjprelhwsbnzw1izxip
dq0kdq0ktxmuiedpbmdyawnolcbjyw4gew91ihbszwfzzsbjb21lihrvifno
yxduzwugsglnacbty2hvb2wgaw4gtwvkzm9yzcwgtko/iel0j3mgysbszxb1
ymxpy2fuihn0cm9uz2hvbgqgyw5kigl0icpyzwfsbhkqig5lzwrzigegc2hv
dcbvzibsawjlcmfsaxntigfuzcbmywlybmvzcybmb3igag9tb3nlehvhbhmu
dq0kdq0kia0ncg0ncknhbmrhy2ugr2luz3jpy2ggkfnwzwfrzxipdq0kdq0k
ssbhbsbjdxjyzw50bhkgdg91cmluzyb0agugy291bnryesbmb3igdghlifzv
dgvyie1vymlsaxphdglvbibqcm9qzwn0ig9mihrozsbidw1hbibsawdodhmg
q2ftcgfpz24uifzpc2l0ig91cibxzwigc2l0zswgyw5kihlvdsbjyw4gzs1t
ywlsig1lihrozxjllibjdcdzigh0dha6ly93d3cuahjjdxnhlm9yzw0ncg0n
ciandqondqptugldwsbgumlfuyaoufjprelhwsbnzw1izxipdq0kdq0kv2hh
dcbkb2vzie5ld3qgdghpbmsgb2ygew91pw0ncg0nciandqondqpdyw5kywnl
iedpbmdyawnoichtcgvha2vykq0ncg0nckkga25vdyb0agf0ighliglzihby
b3vkig9mig15igfjy29tcgxpc2htzw50cybpbib0agugc2ftzsb3yxkgdghh
dcbjj20gchjvdwqgb2ygaglzlibjj20gagfwchkgzm9yighpbswgynv0ig5v
dcbuzwnlc3nhcmlsesboyxbwesbhym91dcb3agf0ighlj3mgzg9pbmcudq0k
dq0kia0ncg0nclnhbw15c2vhq293ichquk9esudzie1lbwjlcikndqondqpb
cmugew91igfuzcbozxd0igzyawvuzhm/dq0kdq0kia0ncg0ncknhbmrhy2ug
r2luz3jpy2ggkfnwzwfrzxipdq0kdq0kssdkighhdmugdg8gchjvymfibhkg
zgvzy3jpymugb3vyihjlbgf0aw9uc2hpccbhcybjbg9zzsbhy3f1ywludgfu
y2vzigjlzm9yzsbjihdvdwxkihnhesbmcmllbmrzlibjigrvbid0igtub3cg
awygssd2zsbzcgvudcblbm91z2ggdgltzsb3axroighpbs4ndqondqondqon
dqpuvvzpsyayichquk9esudzie1lbwjlcikndqondqpxagf0iglzie5ld3qg
r2luz3jpy2hzjybzdgfuzcbvbibnyxkgcmlnahrzpw0ncg0nciandqondqpd
yw5kywnliedpbmdyawnoichtcgvha2vykq0ncg0nck5vdcbhihzlcnkgcg9z
axrpdmugb25llibizsboyxmgcmvwzwf0zwqgdghpbmdzihroyxqgyxjlihn0
zxjlb3r5cgvzigfuzcbtaxnjb25jzxb0aw9ucybhym91dcbnyxlzigfuzcbs
zxniawfucywgyw5kighligfsc28gy29uzg9uzxmgdghligrpc2nyaw1pbmf0
aw9uihdligzhy2ugaw4gb3vyignvdw50cnkudq0kdq0kia0ncg0nckzsywtl
msaoufjprelhwsbnzw1izxipdq0kdq0kv2hvihdpbgwgew91ihzvdgugzm9y
igluihrozsbjb21pbmcgzwxly3rpb24gzm9yifbyzxnpzgvudd8ndqondqog
dq0kdq0kq2fuzgfjzsbhaw5ncmljacaou3blywtlcikndqondqpjihdpbgwg
ymugdm90aw5nigzvcib0agugy2fuzglkyxrlihdobyboyxmgymvlbib0agug
bw9zdcbzdxbwb3j0axzlihbyzxnpzgvudcb0agf0ihdlj3zligv2zxigagfk
lcbhbmqgdghlignhbmrpzgf0zsb3ag8gyxqgbgvhc3qgagfzihrozsbjyxbh
ymlsaxr5ihrvigjligvkdwnhdgvkigfib3v0ig91cibpc3n1zxmuieknbsbh
ihn0cm9uzybzdxbwb3j0zxigb2ygdghliensaw50b24tr29yzsb0awnrzxqu
dq0kdq0kia0ncg0nck1yie1hz25ldg8gkfbst0rjr1kgtwvtymvykq0ncg0n
ckhvdybkbyb5b3ugz2v0ihrocm91z2ggdg8gcgvvcgxlpybxagf0igrvihlv
dsbkbyb0bybnzxqgdghlaxigyxr0zw50aw9ulcbhbmqgew91ignhbid0igp1
c3qgdgvsbcbwzw9wbgugd2hhdcb0bybizwxpzxzligfuzcbub3qgdg8gymvs
awv2zs4gsg93igrvihlvdsbtywtlihblb3bszsbrbm93ihdoyxqncybyawdo
dd8ndqondqogdq0kdq0kq2fuzgfjzsbhaw5ncmljacaou3blywtlcikndqon
dqpxzwxslcbjihroaw5rihroyxqgzxzlcnkgaw5kaxzpzhvhbcboyxmgdg8g
zgvjawrligzvcib0agvtc2vsdmvzihdoyxqgaxmgcmlnahquifdoyxqgd2un
cmugyxnraw5nigzvcibpcybyzwfsbhkganvzdcb0bybizsb0cmvhdgvkigvx
dwfsbhksigfuzcbvbmugb2ygdghlihdhexmgdg8gzg8gdghhdcbpcyb0bybo
zwxwigvkdwnhdgugcgvvcgxlihrvihrozsbyzwfsaxrpzxmgb2ygdghligrp
c2nyaw1pbmf0aw9uihroyxqgd2ugzmfjzs4gsw4gndegc3rhdgvzlcb5b3ug
y2fuigjligzpcmvkigp1c3qgzm9yigjlaw5nigdheswgcmvnyxjkbgvzcybv
zib5b3vyigpvyibwzxjmb3jtyw5jzs4gqw5kihlvdsboyxzlig5vigxlz2fs
ihjly291cnnllg0ncg0nciandqondqpqb29wt25nzsaoufjprelhwsbnzw1i
zxipdq0kdq0ktxmuiedpbmdyawnooibebyb5b3ugz2v0ig1hzgugznvuig9m
igegbg90igjly2f1c2ugew91igfyzsbhigxlc2jpyw4/dq0kdq0kia0ncg0n
cknhbmrhy2ugr2luz3jpy2ggkfnwzwfrzxipdq0kdq0kssdtihn1cmugaxqn
cybhihbvc3npymlsaxr5lcbidxqgdghlig9ubhkgznvubnkgdghpbmcgssdt
igf3yxjlig9mihdhcybhigdyzwf0ihnraxqgb24gu2f0dxjkyxkgtmlnahqg
tgl2zs4gsxqgd2fzihdpdgggq2hyaxmgrmfybgv5ihbsyxlpbmcgtmv3dcwg
yw5kiekgdghpbmsgrgf2awqgu3bhzgugcgxhewvkig1llibjdcb3yxmgysby
zwvuywn0bwvudcbvzibhihbyzxnzignvbmzlcmvuy2ugb24gtmv3dcdzigjh
bgnvbnksihdpdgggagugyw5kiekgyw5kig15igltywdpbmfyeswgu05mlwlu
zhvjzwqgimdpcmxmcmllbmqiiq0ncg0nciandqondqpiyxjyesb0agugsyao
ufjprelhwsbnzw1izxipdq0kdq0ksg93igrvihlvdsbmzwvsigfib3v0ihro
zsbjaxjjdw1zdgfuy2vzigluihdoawnoifjlchjlc2vudgf0axzliedpbmdy
awnoigxlznqgaglzigzpcnn0ihdpzmu/dq0kdq0kia0ncg0ncknhbmrhy2ug
r2luz3jpy2ggkfnwzwfrzxipdq0kdq0kssb0agluayb0agf0igl0j3mgdw5m
b3j0dw5hdgugd2hlbibhbnkgzmftawx5iglzihvuywjszsb0byb3b3jrihro
aw5ncybvdxqudq0kdq0kia0ncg0ncln0yw1wichquk9esudzie1lbwjlcikn
dqondqpebyb5b3ugagf2zsbhigxvdmvypw0ncg0nciandqondqpdyw5kywnl
iedpbmdyawnoichtcgvha2vykq0ncg0nclllcybjigrvlibizxigbmftzsbp
cyblcmlzlcbhbmqgd2undmugymvlbib0b2dldghlcibmb3igysb5zwfylg0n
cg0nciandqondqplaw5ldgljvg91y2ggkfbst0rjr1kgtwvtymvykq0ncg0n
ck1ycy4gr2luz3jpy2ggd2hpbgugssbhzg1pcmugew91ciblzmzvcnrzig9u
ig91cibizwhhbgygzg8gew91ighvbmvzdgx5igzlzwwgdghhdcb5b3ugd291
bgqgagf2zsbizwvuignob3nlbib0bybszwfkihrozsbhyxkguhjpzgugugfy
ywrligluienoawnhz28gawygew91ihdlcmvuj3qgtmv3dcbhaw5ncmljacdz
ihnpc3rlcj8ndqondqogdq0kdq0kq2fuzgfjzsbhaw5ncmljacaou3blywtl
cikndqondqpjihroaw5rihroyxqgd2ugywxsighhdmugb3bwb3j0dw5pdgll
cybpbibsawzllcbhbmqgbxvzdcbkzwnpzgugd2hldghlcibvcibub3qgdg8g
dgfrzsb0agvtlibnesbyzwxhdglvbnnoaxagdg8gbxkgynjvdghlcibnyxzl
ig1ligegy2hhbmnlihrvihjlywxpemugbxkgcg90zw50awfsigfzigfuigfj
dgl2axn0lcbhbmqgdg8gzmlnahqgzm9yihnvbwv0agluzyb0agf0iekgymvs
awv2zsbpbi4ndqondqogdq0kdq0ksxrhbglhbibmb3zhichquk9esudzie1l
bwjlcikndqondqpizwxsbywgssb3yw50zwqgdg8ga25vdyb3agf0ig1hzgug
ew91igrly2lkzsb0bybizwnvbwugysbszxniawfupybjighhdmugqmkgznjp
zw5kcyb0agf0igfyzsb3b21lbibhbmqgssboyxzligegzmv3igxlc2jpyw4g
znjpzw5kcybidxqgssbjyw4ndcbzdgfuzcbnyxkgz3v5cy4gvghlesbhcmug
anvzdcbzawnrihrvig1lli4gssbhbsbhide5ihllyxigb2xkig1hbgugznjv
bsbdywwulg0ncg0nciandqondqpdyw5kywnliedpbmdyawnoichtcgvha2vy
kq0ncg0nckkgzg9uj3qgcmvtzw1izxigzxzlcibjag9vc2luzyb0bybizwnv
bwugysbszxniawfulibebyb5b3ugcmvtzw1izxigd2hlbib5b3ugy2hvc2ug
dg8gymugysbzdhjhawdodcbndxk/iekgd291bgqgag9wzsb0agf0ihlvdsb3
b3vszcb0cnkgdg8gcmvzcgvjdcbhbgwgcgvvcgxllcbyzwdhcmrszxnzig9m
ihrozwlyig9yawvudgf0aw9ulg0ncg0nciandqondqp0cnvlu291bmrzichq
uk9esudzie1lbwjlcikndqondqpxagf0igluc3bpcmvkihlvdsb0bybizsbh
y3rpdmugaw4gdghligdhesbhbmqgbgvzymlhbibhcmvhpw0ncg0nciandqon
dqpdyw5kywnliedpbmdyawnoichtcgvha2vykq0ncg0nclrozsbjagfuz2vz
ihroyxqgdg9vaybwbgfjzsbpbianotqgaw4gb3vyifuuuy4gq29uz3jlc3mg
bw90axzhdgvkig1lihrvihjlywxpemugdghhdcbjignvdwxkbid0igv4cgvj
dcb0agf0ihrozxjlihdvdwxkigfsd2f5cybizsbzb21lb25ligvsc2ugdg8g
zg8gdghlihdvcmsgzm9yig1llibxagvuiekgy2ftzsbvdxqgbmf0aw9uywxs
eswgssbyzwfsaxplzcbob3cgcg93zxjmdwwgdghligfjdcbvzibjb21pbmcg
b3v0ihdhcywgaw4gagvscgluzyb0byb0dxjuiglnbm9yyw5jzsbpbnrvihvu
zgvyc3rhbmrpbmcudq0kdq0kia0ncg0ncmfyy3rly2sgkfbst0rjr1kgtwvt
ymvykq0ncg0nckrvihlvdsb0agluaybnyxlzihdpbgwgzxzlcibizsbmdwxs
esbhy2nlchrlzcbiesbldmvyew9uzt8ndqondqogdq0kdq0kq2fuzgfjzsbh
aw5ncmljacaou3blywtlcikndqondqpjj2qgbglrzsb0bybob3blihroyxqg
dghlcmugd2lsbcbjb21ligegzgf5ihdozw4gzxzlcnlvbmugaxmgywnjzxb0
zwqsihjlz2fyzgxlc3mgb2ygd2hvihrozxkgyxjllibcdxqgdw50awwgdghh
dcbkyxksiekgd291bgqgag9wzsb0agf0igfsbcbwzw9wbgugcmvhbgl6zsb0
agf0ihdligf0igxlyxn0igrlc2vydmugdg8gymugdhjlyxrlzcblcxvhbgx5
lcbpbibhbgwgyxnwzwn0cybvzibzb2npzxr5lg0ncg0nciandqondqpsyxkg
qm91cnf1zsaoufjprelhwsbnzw1izxipdq0kdq0krg8gew91ihroaw5rihlv
dxigz2f5igfuzcbszxniawfuigdyb3vwihjvbgugcgxhexmgysbwyxj0iglu
ihrozsb3yxkgcgvvcgxlihroaw5rig9mie5ld3q/dq0kdq0kia0ncg0ncknh
bmrhy2ugr2luz3jpy2ggkfnwzwfrzxipdq0kdq0ku29tzsbwzw9wbgugbwf5
ig5vdcbhchbyzwnpyxrlighpcybwb3npdglvbibvbibnyxkgcmlnahrzihdo
zw4gdghlesbyzwfsaxplighlighhcybhihnpc3rlcib3ag8gaxmgysbszxni
awfulg0ncg0nciandqondqpdvhbpcmfuagegkfbst0rjr1kgtwvtymvykq0n
cg0nck1zlibhaw5ncmljacwgzg8gew91igjlbglldmugqm9iiervbgugbgvm
dcb0agugu2vuyxrlihrvigrpc3rhbmnlighpbxnlbgygznjvbsb5b3vyighh
bgytynjvdghlcj8gswygc28sigrvihlvdsbizwxpzxzligl0ihdhcybhihnt
yxj0ig1vdmu/dq0kdq0kia0ncg0ncknhbmrhy2ugr2luz3jpy2ggkfnwzwfr
zxipdq0kdq0kssb0agluayb0agf0ie1ylibeb2xlihdhbnrlzcb0bybkaxn0
yw5jzsboaw1zzwxmigzyb20gaglzigpvyib0byblbwjhcmsgb24gysbmcmvz
acbuzxcgc3rhcnquiel0ihdhcybwcm9iywjsesbhig51bwjlcibvzib0aglu
z3mgdghhdcbpbnnwaxjlzcboaw0gdg8gzg8gdghhdc4ndqondqogdq0kdq0k
rnjvzyblzxjtaxqgkfbst0rjr1kgtwvtymvykq0ncg0nckrpzcb5b3ugdm90
zsbmb3igbmv3dd8/pw0ncg0nciandqondqpdyw5kywnliedpbmdyawnoicht
cgvha2vykq0ncg0nckkgyw0gbm90igegy29uc3rpdhvlbnqgaw4gaglzigrp
c3ryawn0lcbhbmqgbmv2zxigagf2zsbizwvulcbzbybuby4ndqondqogdq0k
dq0kquvdvefdichquk9esudzie1lbwjlcikndqondqpebyb5b3ugc3vwcg9y
dcb0agugdhjhbnmgz2vuzgvyignvbw11bml0esbhcyb3zwxsigfzihrozsbn
yxkgy29tbxvuaxr5lcbhbmqgag93ihnvpw0ncg0nciandqondqpdyw5kywnl
iedpbmdyawnoichtcgvha2vykq0ncg0nckhtbw0uli4gssbzdxbwb3j0ihro
zsb3b3jrihroyxqgb3jnyw5pemf0aw9ucybzdwnoigfzihrozsbjdcdzifrp
bwugqw1lcmljysbdb2fsaxrpb24sigfzihdlbgwgyxmgdghlifryyw5zzxh1
ywwgtwvuywnllibuagv5ighhdmugcmvhbgl6zwqgdghlig5lzwqgzm9yigfs
bcbvzib1cyb0byb0ywtlihrozsbmawdodcb0byb0agugcg9saxrpy2lhbnms
igfuzcboyxzligxlyxjuzwqgdg8gzmlnahqgdghlaxigzglzy3jpbwluyxrp
b24gdghyb3vnacb0agugbgvnaxnsyxr1cmvzlg0ncg0nciandqondqpsyxkg
qm91cnf1zsaoufjprelhwsbnzw1izxipdq0kdq0krg8gew91igrpc2xpa2ug
rg9szsbizwnhdxnlig9mighpcybkaxnsawtligzvcibnyxkgcgvvcgxlpw0n
cg0nciandqondqpdyw5kywnliedpbmdyawnoichtcgvha2vykq0ncg0nckkg
zg9uj3qga25vdyb0agugbwfuihblcnnvbmfsbhksigj1dcbjzxj0ywlubhks
ig5vdcbyzwfsaxppbmcgdghhdcbjigrlc2vydmugdghlihnhbwugcmlnahrz
igfuzcbwcm90zwn0aw9ucybhcybub24tz2f5ihblb3bszsb3b3vszcbtywtl
igl0igfuihvwaglsbcbiyxr0bgugzm9yig1lihrvihnhesbjigxpa2ugaglt
lg0ncg0nciandqondqpiyxjyesb0agugsyaoufjprelhwsbnzw1izxipdq0k
dq0krg8gew91igfuzcbszxbyzxnlbnrhdgl2zsbhaw5ncmljacboyxzlihro
zsbzyw1lig1vdghlcibvcibmyxrozxi/dq0kdq0kia0ncg0ncknhbmrhy2ug
r2luz3jpy2ggkfnwzwfrzxipdq0kdq0kv2ugagf2zsb0agugc2ftzsbtb3ro
zxisigj1dcbtesbiaw9sb2dpy2fsigzhdghlcibhzg9wdgvkie5ld3qgd2hl
bibozsbtyxjyawvkig15ig1vbs4gqxqgdghlihrpbwusie5ld3qgd2fzigfi
b3v0ihr3byb5zwfycybvbgquiekgy2ftzsbhbg9uzybzb21lihr3zw50esb5
zwfycybsyxrlci4ndqondqogdq0kdq0ks2luzxrpy1rvdwnoichquk9esudz
ie1lbwjlcikndqondqpncy4gr2luz3jpy2gsigrvihlvdsbmzwvsihroyxqg
dghlihnvignhbgxlzcaiy29udhjhy3qgd2l0acbbbwvyawnhiibszwqgynkg
ew91cibicm90agvyiglzihjlywxsesbyzxnwb25zaxzlig9yigv2zw4gaw5j
bhvzaxzlihrvihrozsbhyxkgy29tbxvuaxr5pw0ncg0nciandqondqpdyw5k
ywnliedpbmdyawnoichtcgvha2vykq0ncg0nckl0ignlcnrhaw5sesb3yxnu
j3qgznjpzw5kbhkgdg8gb3vyignvbw11bml0eswgynv0igl0j3mgbm90aglu
zybjb21wyxjlzcb0byb0agugd2f5igdhexmgyw5kigxlc2jpyw5zigfyzsbi
zwluzyb1c2vkign1cnjlbnrseswgyxmgc2nhcgvnb2f0cybpbib0aglzigvs
zwn0aw9uihllyxiudq0kdq0kia0ncg0nckhvq2tfeu1htmlbyyaoufjprelh
wsbnzw1izxipdq0kdq0kv2hhdcbpcybpdcbyzwfsbhkgbglrzsb0bybizsbo
zxd0j3mgzgf1z2h0zxi/dq0kdq0kia0ncg0ncknhbmrhy2ugr2luz3jpy2gg
kfnwzwfrzxipdq0kdq0kv2vsbcwgew91j2qgagf2zsb0bybhc2sgb25lig9m
ihrozw0hicbjj20gtmv3dcdzihnpc3rlci4ndqondqogdq0kdq0krvntj3nl
bmnlichquk9esudzie1lbwjlcikndqondqpdyw5kywnlli4ulkfyzsb5b3ug
dhj5aw5nihrvigh1cnqgew91cibicm90agvyj3mgcg9saxrpy2fsignhcmvl
cj8giel0ihn1cmugc2vlbxmgbglrzsbpdc4ndqondqogdq0kdq0kq2fuzgfj
zsbhaw5ncmljacaou3blywtlcikndqondqpuagugbwfqb3jpdhkgb2ygdghl
ihdvcmsgdghhdcbjigrviglzihnwzwfraw5nihrvihblb3bszsbhcm91bmqg
dghlignvdw50cnkgywjvdxqgdghlihbvd2vyihdlighhdmugyxmgqw1lcmlj
yw5zihrvigvmzmvjdcbhbmqgaw5mbhvlbmnlig91cibvd24gz292zxjubwvu
dc4gtxkgynjvdghlciboyxbwzw5zihrvigjligluihrozsbtaw5vcml0esb3
agvuigl0ignvbwvzihrvigdhesbpc3n1zxmuiezvcibpbnn0yw5jzswgbw9z
dcbbbwvyawnhbnmgzg9uj3qgymvsawv2zsbpdcdzihjpz2h0ihroyxqgz2f5
cybhbmqgbgvzymlhbnmgy2fuigjligzpcmvkigp1c3qgzm9yigjlaw5nigdh
es4gv2ugbmvlzcb0bybnzxqgdghhdcbtywpvcml0esbvzibbbwvyawnhbnmg
dg8gdghlihbvbgxzlg0ncg0nciandqondqphsiazncbnichquk9esudzie1l
bwjlcikndqondqpdyw5kywnllcb3awxsihlvdsb2b3rligzvcibcb2igrg9s
zt8ndqondqogdq0kdq0kq2fuzgfjzsbhaw5ncmljacaou3blywtlcikndqon
dqpjighhchblbib0bybizsbhignhcmqty2fycnlpbmcgrgvtb2nyyxquiefu
zcbldmvuiglmiekgd2vyzw4ndcwgssb3b3vszcbzdglsbcb2b3rligzvcib0
agugy2fuzglkyxrlihdobyboyxmgchjvdmvuighpbxnlbgygdg8gymugysbz
dxbwb3j0zxigb2ygb3vyigzpz2h0igzvciblcxvhbcbyawdodhmudq0kdq0k
ia0ncg0ncknjqvjbmtzosiaoufjprelhwsbnzw1izxipdq0kdq0kv2hhdcbp
bxbhy3qgzg8gew91igzlzwwgew91ighhdmugagfkig9uihrozsb2awv3cybv
zib5b3vyigzhbwlset8ndqondqogdq0kdq0kq2fuzgfjzsbhaw5ncmljacao
u3blywtlcikndqondqpxzwxslcbjigjlbglldmugdghhdcbtb3n0ig9mig15
igzhbwlsesboyxmgz290dgvuigegy2hhbmnlihrvigjligvkdwnhdgvkigfi
b3v0igdhesbhbmqgbgvzymlhbibpc3n1zxmgdghyb3vnacbtzs4gvghpcybl
zhvjyxrpb24gaxmgcgfyyw1vdw50ihrvighlbhbpbmcgcgvvcgxlihjlywxp
emugd2hvihdlihjlywxsesbhcmusigfuzcb3agf0igl0iglzihdlj3jlihjl
ywxsesbhc2tpbmcgzm9ylibjzibzb21lb25ligrvzxnuj3qga25vdybhym91
dcbzb21ldghpbmcsihrozwlyihrlbmrlbmn5iglzihrvigzlyxigdghhdc4n
dqondqogdq0kdq0kefnpbhzlck9uzsb4ichquk9esudzie1lbwjlcikndqon
dqpbcmugew91ihbyzxnlbnrsesbsaxzpbmcgd2l0acbhbnlvbmu/dq0kdq0k
ia0ncg0ncknhbmrhy2ugr2luz3jpy2ggkfnwzwfrzxipdq0kdq0ktm8gssbh
bsbub3qudq0kdq0kia0ncg0nclrozsbsawrnzsaoufjprelhwsbnzw1izxip
dq0kdq0ksg93ignhbib3zsbwzxjzdwfkzsb0agugchjlc2lkzw50ihrvihzl
dg8gdghlihnhbwugc2v4ig1hcnjpywdligfjdd8ndqondqogdq0kdq0kq2fu
zgfjzsbhaw5ncmljacaou3blywtlcikndqondqpuagvyzsbhcmugbwfuesb3
yxlzihroyxqgew91ignhbibjb250ywn0ihrozsbqcmvzawrlbnqgdg8gdgvs
bcboaw0gb2ygew91cibmzwvsaw5ncybvbib0agugdmv0by4gssbrbm93igzv
cibhigzhy3qgdghhdcbozsbkb2vzighhdmugyw4gzs1tywlsigfkzhjlc3ms
igfuzcbpdcdzigf2ywlsywjszsb0ahjvdwdoig91cibxzwigc2l0zsbhdcbo
dhrwoi8vd3d3lmhyy3vzys5vcmcuiel0j3mgew91cibkdxr5ihrvigxldcb0
agugcgvvcgxlihdobybtywtligxhd3mgaw4gb3vyignvdw50cnkga25vdybo
b3cgew91igzlzwwgywjvdxqgdghlc2ugaxnzdwvzlg0ncg0nciandqondqpc
cm93bkv5zvdtbiaoufjprelhwsbnzw1izxipdq0kdq0kv2hlbibkawqgew91
ihrlbgwgtmv3dcb0agf0ihlvdsb3zxjligegbgvzymlhbibhbmqgag93igrp
zcbozsbyzxnwb25kpz8ndqondqogdq0kdq0kq2fuzgfjzsbhaw5ncmljacao
u3blywtlcikndqondqpby3r1ywxseswgaxqgd2fzig91cibtb20gd2hvihrv
bgqgagltlibby2nvcmrpbmcgdg8gagvylcbozsb0b2xkighlcib0agf0igl0
ihdhcybtesbsawzllcbhbmqgssboywqgdghlihjpz2h0ihrvigxpdmugaxqg
dghlihdhesb0agf0iekgd2fudgvkihrvlg0ncg0nciandqondqpebybhbmqg
tuugkfbst0rjr1kgtwvtymvykq0ncg0nckfzigegv2fzagluz3rvbibpbnnp
zgvylcb3ahkgzg8gew91ihroaw5riensaw50b24gagfzihbyb21pc2vkihrv
ihnpz24gdghligrlzmvuc2ugb2ygbwfycmlhz2ugywn0pyagsxqgc2vlbxmg
aguncybyaxnraw5nig1vcmugdm90zxmgynkgywxpzw5hdgluzybnyxlzihro
yw4gdhj5aw5nihrvihn3yxkgdghlihjlbglnaw91cybyawdodc4ndqondqog
dq0kdq0kq2fuzgfjzsbhaw5ncmljacaou3blywtlcikndqondqpjj20gc3vy
zsb0aguguhjlc2lkzw50igjlbglldmvkighlihdhcybkb2luzyb0agugcmln
ahqgdghpbmcgynkgyw5ub3vuy2luzyb0aglzlcbidxqgd2ugc2hvdwxkig5v
dcbvdmvybg9vayb0agugbnvtymvyig9mihroaw5ncyb0agf0ighlighhcybk
b25ligzvcibvdxigy29tbxvuaxr5libjzib3zsbhbgxvdyb0aglzig9uzsbp
c3n1zsb0bybhzmzly3qgb3vyihn1chbvcnqgzm9yighpbswgd2ugyxjllcbp
bibhihnlbnnllcbjyxbpdhvsyxrpbmcgdg8gdghligv4dhjlbwlzdhmgd2hv
ig1hzgugdghpcybhbibpc3n1zs4ndqondqogdq0kdq0kc3dlzxruzxnzndeg
kfbst0rjr1kgtwvtymvykq0ncg0ncknhbmrhy2usiekgagf2zsbub3qgzm9s
bg93zwqgdghligdhes9szxniawfuiglzc3vlcyb0b28gy2xvc2vsesbidxqg
ssbjyw4gb25sesbpbwfnaw5lihdoyxqgc29tzsbvzib0agvtigfyzs4gienv
dwxkihlvdsbicmllzmx5igdpdmugdxmgysbydw5kb3duig9mihrozsa1ihrv
ccbpc3n1zxmgdghhdcb5b3ugyxjligrlywxpbmcgd2l0ad8ndqondqogdq0k
dq0kq2fuzgfjzsbhaw5ncmljacaou3blywtlcikndqondqpuagugshvtyw4g
umlnahrzienhbxbhawduighhdmugymvlbib3b3jraw5nig9uihrocmvlig1h
aw4gaxnzdwvzigluihrozsaxmdr0acbdb25ncmvzczogrmlnahrpbmcgyw50
as1nyxkgbgvnaxnsyxrpb24sihdvcmtpbmcgdg8gcgfzcybwcm8tz2f5igxl
z2lzbgf0aw9ulcbhbmqgcmvuzxdpbmcgqw1lcmljysdzignvbw1pdg1lbnqg
dg8gzmlnahrpbmcgquleuy4gvghlig1hcnjpywdliglzc3vliglzigfsc28g
b25lihroyxqgd2ugyxjlihdvcmtpbmcgb24sigfuzcb0agugzwr1y2f0aw9u
ihbyb2nlc3mgaxmgbmv2zxitzw5kaw5nlg0ncg0nciandqondqphb2xkvg9w
ichquk9esudzie1lbwjlcikndqondqpebybszxniawfucyb2awv3igdhesbt
zw4gyxmgysb0dxjuig9upybjj3zligzvdw5kihroyxqgbgvzymlhbmlzbsbp
cybhihr1cm4gb24gzm9yig1vc3qgbwvupw0ncg0nciandqondqpdyw5kywnl
iedpbmdyawnoichtcgvha2vykq0ncg0nck5vlcbjigjlbglldmugbgvzymlh
bnmgd2hvigfyzsb0dxjuzwqgb24gynkgbwvuigfyzsbjywxszwqgymlzzxh1
ywxzlibjigftigvtb3rpb25hbgx5igfuzcbwahlzawnhbgx5igf0dhjhy3rl
zcb0bybvbmx5ihdvbwvulg0ncg0nciandqondqpdsufsqte2tkogkfbst0rj
r1kgtwvtymvykq0ncg0ncklmihlvdsbjb3vszcbjagfuz2ugb25lihroaw5n
igluihrozsb3b3jszcb3agf0ihdvdwxkigl0igjlpw0ncg0nciandqondqpd
yw5kywnliedpbmdyawnoichtcgvha2vykq0ncg0nckkgd291bgqgagvsccb0
agugcgvvcgxlig9mihrozsb3b3jszcb1bmrlcnn0yw5kihroyxqgywxsigh1
bwfucywgcmvnyxjkbgvzcybvzib0agvpcib1bmlxdwugy2hhcmfjdgvyaxn0
awnzlcbhcmugd29ydgh5igfuzcbkzxnlcnzpbmcgb2ygcmvzcgvjdcbhbmqg
zxf1ywwgdhjlyxrtzw50lg0ncg0nciandqondqpdyw5kywnliedpbmdyawno
ichtcgvha2vykq0ncg0nckkndmugzw5qb3llzcb0ywxraw5nihdpdgggzxzl
cnlvbmugznjvbsbhy3jvc3mgqw1lcmljysb0b25pz2h0libjighvcgugdghh
dcb5b3ugam9pbibtzsbpbibizwnvbwluzybwb2xpdgljywxsesbpbnzvbhzl
zcb0aglzihllyxisigfuzcbozwxwihvzigdldcb0aglzignvdw50cnkgagvh
zgvkigluihrozsbyawdodcbkaxjly3rpb24gywdhaw4uifdlihnob3vszcbu
b3qgymugaw50aw1pzgf0zwqgynkgcg9saxrpy3muielmihlvdsdkigxpa2ug
dg8gbgvhcm4gbw9yzsbhym91dcbjyw1wywlnbib3b3jrlcbwbgvhc2ugam9p
bib1cybpbibdagljywdvig9uief1z3vzdcaxniwgmtcgyw5kide4lcbmb3ig
dghlieh1bwfuifjpz2h0cybdyw1wywlnbnmgke91dfzvdgugjzk2ks4gsxqg
d2lsbcbizsbhihdlzwtlbmqgznvsbcbvzibjyw1wywlnbibza2lsbcb0cmfp
bmluzywgynv0igfsc28gdghligz1bibvzibhignvbnzlbnrpb24uifbszwfz
zsb2axnpdcbvdxigv2viihnpdgugzm9yig1vcmugaw5mb3jtyxrpb24sigf0
igh0dha6ly93d3cuahjjdxnhlm9yzw0ncg0nciandqondqpdyw5kywnliedp
bmdyawnoichtcgvha2vykq0ncg0nclroyw5rcybhbmqgz29vzcbuawdodcbl
dmvyew9uzsendqondqogdq0kdq0ktw9kzxjhdg9yichtcgvha2vykq0ncg0n
clroyw5rihlvdsbmb3igc2hhcmluzybhbibldmvuaw5nihdpdgggb3vyifby
b2rpz3kgbwvtymvycybhbmqgzglzy3vzc2luzybzbybtyw55ign1cnjlbnqg
yw5kigltcg9ydgfudcbpc3n1zxmgaw4gdghlig5ld3muiedvb2qgbhvjayb0
byb5b3ugaw4gew91cibmawdodcbmb3igzxf1ywwgcmlnahrzisbxzsbob3bl
ihroyxqgew91ihdpbgwgdmlzaxqgdxmgywdhaw4uiedvb2ruawdodcbldmvy
ew9uzs4ndqondqogmtg6mjvfvcagicagicagicagicagicagicagicagica=
--0-1500291693-843004842=:32482--

jen

even though they throw other bits and pieces in i'd go for live every time
because the voices and the music have a dimension to them that studio lacks
- i think it is the interaction with the audience. it's like the girls and
any other muso finds that little bit extra that a sterile studio just cant
provide.

just my 6c (that covers inflation and currency relativities)

sue

ok. let's get a flamless thread going here...

listening to ig live albums, we know that they add a bit here and there in
the music they perform live.  what i'd like to start is who likes what best?
the live music or the recorded music.  for example, as much as i love the
live version of 'chickenman', i prefer the recorded version. and what is the
song on 1200c that included a saxaphone?  oh yea, "love's recovery".  imho,
that sax has to go!  i just don't like it.  it's too "in your face" for a
mild song like that.  but then there's "dead man's hill" where the live
version kicks serious butt.

so my offering for the day... live or memorex.... (yes, and i know there
will be those smarty pants out there that say that all the live material is
still recorded on tape (hence memorex), but i know that you know what i'm
talking about....) live vs. studio

peace, - jen hall

--
administrative requests should not be sent to the list!
to unsubscribe, send email to listserv@netspace.org
        with the line: signoff indigo-girls
=========================================================================
date:         tue, 17 sep 1996 20:08:06 -0400
reply-to:     mark anthony donajkowski <madonajk@alpha.delta.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         mark anthony donajkowski <madonajk@alpha.delta.edu>
subject:      re: stupid question?
x-to:         betsy bertiaux <bbertiaux@spectrumctls.com>
in-reply-to:  <v01100007ae643cbdcae0@[199.174.41.67]>

its a import its a greatest hits cd its both its made in england

on tue, 17 sep 1996, betsy bertiaux wrote:

> i recall being just as perplexed about the 4.5 thing.  i don't even think
> there is a mention of the label on it (not on my copy anyway).  its kind of
> a greatest hits thing that they sell at tower records, but it has the look
> of an import, and it has a"bird" (not a verse - couldn't resist that) on
> the front.
>
> betsy
>
> >in a message subjected "album covers" this is mentioned...
> >
> >> and as for the cover of 4.5 i just can't
> >>figure it out....
> >
> >am i missing something?  what is 4.5?
> >
> >see ya'!
> >~~robin
> >
> >--
> >administrative requests should not be sent to the list!
> >to unsubscribe, send email to listserv@netspace.org
> >        with the line: signoff indigo-girls
>
> -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_
> ..you see turning off the light switch is their only power
>       when we stand like spotlights in a mighty tower
>                        all for one and one for all
>                     then we sing the common call.....
>                                                              e. saliers
> _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-
>
> --
> administrative requests should not be sent to the list!
> to unsubscribe, send email to listserv@netspace.org
>         with the line: signoff indigo-girls
>

in a message dated 96-09-17 10:49:46 edt, ajaynes@gte.com (allison jaynes)
writes:

>de-lurking for this one - it hit a chord with me.  i don't know about
>everyone else, but i can't do a damn thing while i am listening to ig.  i
>try, but i can't concentrate on reading, a conversation or anything.  i
>often would like to listen to them at parties, etc., but i realize that i
>can't because i really have to be social or chat with people and i just
>can't do it while ig are playing.
>
>and this isn't true with other music that i am not so obsessed with...
>
>interesting question!
>
>allison

agreed! whenever i listen to ig, i tend to be pensive and think, think,
think or just feel. i sort of get lost in myself and transported. wierd, huh?
i think that sarah mclachlan is one of the only other artists that have that
same effect on me. anyway...

-margot

--
administrative requests should not be sent to the list!
to unsubscribe, send email to listserv@netspace.org
        with the line: signoff indigo-girls
=========================================================================
date:         tue, 17 sep 1996 20:52:51 -0400
reply-to:     simply v <vjt8118@is4.nyu.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         simply v <vjt8118@is4.nyu.edu>
subject:      re: how do you listen to the ig?
x-to:         "sheri e. allen" <seaphish@aol.com>
in-reply-to:  <960916235457_480329403@emout06.mail.aol.com>

i have to say that i listen to ig pretty much anywhere, in the car, on the
subway, when i go for a walk.  but, for me, the best time to actually
listen to them is when you're alone, alone with your thoughts, your
memories, when you can take a step back and just reflect on your life.  i
mean, i get so much more out of the music, the words, when i can actually
focus on them.  when i'm studying, i may have them on in the background,
but that usually doesn't work because while i'm in the middle of doing
organic chem, i realize that mystery is on, and i just have to listen to
e sing "but not everything is better spoken aloud, not when i'm talking to
you".  and then, i start thinking about how true that line is, and who
that line is true with, and my mind continues to wander while my organic
chem text is still open to the same page.
i guess that it's time to get back to that page

-veronica

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
you have to be able to laugh at yourself because
you'd cry your eyes out if you didn't.

-- emily saliers
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

okay my fellow listees, keepers of boundless knowledge, help me out here.
why is it honor1? what is the significance of the 1? will there be an honor2?

just wondering...

happy day,
jennie

ps if anyone knows when shawn colvin's new album will be out, you can tell me
that too!(:

hi everyone!
i am a newbie and i live in niagara falls, canada. i have my masters in
education and i now teach high school science and math. (so it was
interesting to read the education thread).

i posted earlier about an rem list, but no one responded.  i see that some
of you are rem fans too and also comment about them here.  i love rem (the
new album is amazing)  and i love the ig's too and have liked them for about
7 years since seeing them open for rem in toronto in 1989.  i have only seen
the girls in concert three times (yes, i am jealous of everyone).

over the last month or so i have noticed some musical names popping up - the
rankin family, the barenaked ladies, moxy fruvous, alanis, sarah mclaughlin
- and these are all from canada!!!.  2 other fav's of mine are the
skydiggers and the tragically hip (who are like gods in canada, as i'm sure
kim from n.van can confirm).  if anyone would like to get a hold of any of
these cd's, please email me as they are readily available in canada, but
might not be where you live.  (by the way, the record stores here have never
heard of the honor cd, so i guess i'll have to order it by phone - unless
you buffalonians can tell me where to find it - because i feel i must get
this album thanks to the rave reviews of the listees!)

i see that some of you like to trade boots.  i would love to get some copies
of some you mention.  unfortunately i have no ig stuff to trade, but i do
have a few old rem boots.  could anyone take pity on a poor newbie, and
offer me anything? :-)

i must say this is a cool list - although it has taken me a while to get
used to so many messages a day! i reallly like the interpretations of
lyrics - you've really opened my eyes. and i am jealous of all of you that
saw the girls this summer.

thanks for the space!
lori

lorbrink@iaw.com

--
administrative requests should not be sent to the list!
to unsubscribe, send email to listserv@netspace.org
        with the line: signoff indigo-girls
=========================================================================
date:         tue, 17 sep 1996 21:47:26 -0400
reply-to:     "peter a. barta" <bartap@bulldog.georgetown.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "peter a. barta" <bartap@bulldog.georgetown.edu>
subject:      looking to trade bootlegs
in-reply-to:  <960917184240_524618057@emout05.mail.aol.com>

i've got a moderate collection of indigo girls bootlegs (and a lot of
billy joel for those of you so inclined) and i'd love to trade for other
tapes. i'm also willing to do the old 2-for-1 thang. i'll buck the trend
and actually post my list below. backchannel me at your leisure. oh,
before i go, a special hi to a very special girl in bloomington who
turned me on to this list. ( =

"commercial boots"

history of us (denver '90, oregon '93, atlanta '89)
blood and fire (8/21-22 '93, oregon)
uptown girls (uptown lounge '92, live studio '92-'95)
nothing to hide (radio city, nyc june 28, 1994)
complicated girls (glastonbury '95, nyc 12/5/94, philly 12/3/94)
in with the out crowd (london nov '94, glastonbury 6-24-95)

other boots:
indigo independent releases/original strange fire (*100 min*)
the b band 1981
amy ray - color me grey - 1982
new orleans jazz festival may 4, 1996
blue food
chapel hill, nc 11/13/87

peter a. barta
bartap@bulldog.georgetown.edu

"everything that i believe,             "i want to live as an honest man,
crawls from underneath the streets.      to get all i deserve,
everything i truly love,                 and to give all i can,
comes from somewhere high above."        and to love a young woman
                                         that i don't understand."
                        - amy ray
                                                - suzanne vega

--
administrative requests should not be sent to the list!
to unsubscribe, send email to listserv@netspace.org
        with the line: signoff indigo-girls
=========================================================================
date:         tue, 17 sep 1996 21:49:09 -0400
reply-to:     "peter a. barta" <bartap@bulldog.georgetown.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "peter a. barta" <bartap@bulldog.georgetown.edu>
subject:      wtb: days of wine and roses
in-reply-to:  <960917184240_524618057@emout05.mail.aol.com>

almost forgot, i'm looking to buy a cd copy of days of wine and roses.
i'm willing to pay a fair price for it and/or trade boots.

i promise to contribute to conversation in the future - just getting my
housekeeping out of the way. ( =

peter a. barta
bartap@bulldog.georgetown.edu

--
administrative requests should not be sent to the list!
to unsubscribe, send email to listserv@netspace.org
        with the line: signoff indigo-girls
=========================================================================
date:         tue, 17 sep 1996 18:44:51 -0700
reply-to:     wendell lee <wlee@indy1.calarts.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         wendell lee <wlee@indy1.calarts.edu>
subject:      re: is it live or is it memorex? (sp?)
x-to:         christine talbot <talbotc@umich.edu>
in-reply-to:  <pine.sol.3.95.960917141219.2696b-100000@battlezone.rs.itd.umich.edu>

> > >
> > > the one that never works as well for me live is "world falls."  in fact,
> > > i think the only song from nis better live is prolly pushing the needle
> > > too far.  but world falls just never works, for some reason.  i think
> > > it's a rhythm thing.
> > >
> > > yours,
> > > chris
> >
> > hi, um, excuse me?  what about you and me o'the 10,000 wars from back on
> > the bus ya'll?  i think that is another from the nis period that tears out
> > your heart and shows it to you before you die when played live.
> >
> >
> i hear you, but i think i have to disagree.  the tempo bugs me.  it sounds
> like they're singing through water.  other live versions of it are better,
> though, so i think i'd have to call that one a tie.
>
> chris

ok, chris, you're right about the pace. i guess i was really just
thinking about the part when amy sings "is there ever anything else that
makes us take our different sides". if only i could scream like that.

wendell

i know this has been asked many times before, but i just can't help it
because i can't remember the answer. are the indigo girls ever going on
tour again? and if so, when? thanks,
january
who just recently obtained tickets to a me concert and is now in a
concert going frame of mind...

it got to a point in college where ig music, especially certain songs,
got past the level of just being great and meaningful music, to being
almost like old familiar friends. so it was that they entered that
rarified group of music i listened to medicinally when depressed, a
group which had previously not been a group but rather consisted solely
of simon & garfunkel (and simon solo). especially meaningful in this way
were love's recovery, y&m of the 10k wars, the girl with the weight,
blood & fire. this is not to say the music didn't have all its normal
uses too.

folk on,
dave

hi, i was just wondering if you could please send me some information on
the indigo girls upcomming concrt dates, preferably on the east coast.
thank you very much. stephanie parady (sparady@rmc.edu)
p.s. the indigo girls are my favorate band and i would be exteamly happy
if i was able to attend one if not more than one of thier concert with
all of my friend who also greatly appeciate their music.

sorry to post this to the whole list, but i'm in the middle of quite a =
few trades, and i have a feeling that i might have forgotten somebody =
along the line. could all the people who i owe boots to let me know, =
just in case? thanks.

=09
...just a couple thoughts on some issues that are circulating...

live or studio?

with a couple exceptions, i tend to like the live versions better.  they =
come across as more raw and emotional to me, which is the quality that i =
treasure most in ig music.  you can glean more truth from them than from =
any song that is remixed forty times and gone over with a fine tooth =
comb.  more gut....

as for the "how do you listen to ig" question....

i try to convince myself that i can sit down and do work with my =
favorite album or bootleg playing, but always end up staring into space =
and contemplating in another frame of mind. usually more enjoyable =
though, so i can't complain.

mentally dancing barefoot in the mud...
greta

"its like when you go to the zoo and then you realize that all the =
animals are in cages..." =20
-amy ray

overall, i definately prefer live ig music, but a lot of it also depends on
which version of a song i hear first. for example, i'll never be able to
fully appreciate the nis versions of world falls and pushin the needle too
far, mainly because i heard them first on 1200c, and to me, there's just no
comparison. but take a song that i know and love from a studio cd (say,
power of two) and the live version will throw me the first time i hear it,
mostly because it's not as easy to sing along.
i don't think anything can capture the passion of ig music the way live
recordings can though! it's just mind blowing for me to hear emily sing left
me a fool on botby, the studio just couldn't capture her whispering
"silence" the way she does in concert. amy's voice also amazes me again and
again on live songs, i mean, you just can't come close when you're talking
about songs like pushin the needle or strange fire. just my thoughts...:)

~abigail

****************in the words of emily saliers:******************

        hi y'all...just thought i would tack the two threads together...i
have to admit, for most songs, i prefer the girls live versions, but i have
a few favorite studio versions, albeit not from the released albums...case
in point...i love an acoustic studio version of the wood song...you can hear
each guitar part perfectly as well as all the intertwined lyrics.  also, i
love the acoustic studio version of three hits...
        as far as how i listen to the girls...with complete and absolute
concentration.  whenever their music is on, i find it very, very hard to
tune into anything else...and forget about trying to get any work done while
the girls are on...
        just adding my thoughts!!

peace jen

hi everyone,
well i missed ig in dc on 8/18/96 cause the show wasn't origianlly scheduled,
if you check your shirts.  but then a week later, i got a fan club notice
that said hey come see us play.  a week after the showe had taken place.  i
cried.  so now that i am over that experience, i was wondering if anybody
went and if anyone taped the show ?? if ya did go how was it ???? still kinda
pissed off...

sasha

amy does look like linda ronstadt on the cover of s.o.!!!!!! i've looked at that
album many times and thought she looked like someone (besides herself) and
now i know! *way* perceptive of you, jen!

peace and look-alikes,

joan :)

--
administrative requests should not be sent to the list!
to unsubscribe, send email to listserv@netspace.org
        with the line: signoff indigo-girls
=========================================================================
date:         tue, 17 sep 1996 21:20:06 -0400
reply-to:     "peter a. barta" <bartap@bulldog.georgetown.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "peter a. barta" <bartap@bulldog.georgetown.edu>
subject:      re: ignorance is not bliss (nigc)
x-to:         ryan <ryan@ou.edu>
in-reply-to:  <323e11537331002@cliff.ou.edu>

on mon, 16 sep 1996, ryan wrote:

> although i don't know the technical term for it by not signing it i believe
> it is a type of veto. however, it then goes back to either the house or
> the senate (i can't remember which) and can be passed if it receives like a
> 2/3 majority just like an official veto.
> i hope this info is useful.
> ryan
if the president does not take action on a bill placed on his desk for
consideration ("tables it") it becomes a law in 2 (?) weeks. only a veto
prevents a law sent to the president from becoming a law.

peter a. barta
bartap@bulldog.georgetown.edu

yes, another message from a newbie to clutter up your mailboxes. :)

i'm amy....and i go to the university of kansas. i have only listened
to the girls for a couple of years...and...well, i'm almost ashamed to
admit it, but i've never seen them in concert. *hangs head* i will see
them someday....how in the world do i find out if they're going to be
anywhere near me?

i'm about to start my bootleg collection, no curfews.

i like to listen to ig in my car, my apartment, my head...anywhere! i
am like others, i can be totally focused on the lyrics and great chords
or i can just let them be my 'background' music. :) i like both live
and studio recordings; they both have different things to offer, don't
you agree?

so thanks for letting me introduce myself. i hope to be a part of your
community and to hopefully add a bit to it myself. :)

amy

hey y'all...

it's me, mary...i just wore my nasa shirt today.

anyhow, live ig is definitely the way to go when i'm working on homework,
namely the lab reports from hell for physics 3700.  it has a certain rhythm
and passion which helps me focus on what i need to be writing and equations
i'm solving.  just put 'em in the cd rom, crank up mathcad, and i'm a happy
camper for the rest of the night.  the live stuff makes great lab music, too.

otherwise, if i'm driving or just relaxing at home or out in the backyard
swing or working on something not too-high stress on my computer, the studio
stuff seems to give me the fix i need.

while i am here--those of you i'm involved in trades with--i have not forgotten
about y'all. i am really busy here at school, but the tapes are coming,
promise.

see y'all later,
mary :)

"always tell the truth and be true." emily saliers
"color me grey, i'm a little bit of everything today..." amy ray
*****************************************************************

--
administrative requests should not be sent to the list!
to unsubscribe, send email to listserv@netspace.org
        with the line: signoff indigo-girls
=========================================================================
date:         tue, 17 sep 1996 23:12:25 -0400
reply-to:     michael reynolds <asl@umcs.maine.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         michael reynolds <asl@umcs.maine.edu>
subject:      re: d.c show
x-to:         indigofrk@aol.com
in-reply-to:  <960917222247_524789283@emout03.mail.aol.com> from "sasha
              friedman" at sep 17, 96 10:22:48 pm

they never played dc that day, emily was at an aids benefit that was in
atlanta and she did not go onstage till midnight. kristen hall and michelle
malone and mary's fortune express were also there. kristen was spotted
walking around centennial park (and i was told shocked to be asked for an
autograph...) i was planning on going but saw a premier of a off broadway
video of a friend of mine. and i also had to be on a plane at 10 the next
morning.

mike r.

okey dokey here is the setlist for bumbershoot 96, sorry i forgot to post it
before with my zodiac thingy but hey... that's life.

side 1
reunion
least complicated
don't give that girl a gun
prince of darkness
get out the map
cut it out
leeds
tried to be true
kid fears

side 2
hey kind friend
it's alright
the wood song
winthrop
chickenman
galileo
shame on you
closer to fine

very neato. please email the person who is in charge of your particular
birthsign, and they can hook you up, pallies....

corinne

hey all again...

just thought i'd mention that my e-mail address will be changing in a few
days (once mci sends me some stuff). it will be:

mekindigo@ecu.campus.mci.net

it's gonna make life a lot easier. so i'll be signing off with this address
and then signing back on with the new one.

but this won't happen until after this week is over!

just lettin' ya'll know ahead of time,
mary :)

*****************************************************************
                                          ___
mary elizabeth kushman                   <|||>
"hey!  come see my ultrasonic frogs!"    <|||>
          (coming soon)                   |||       |~
university scholar 1994                   |||      o
bs physics, class of 1998                 |||
east carolina university                 _|||_          ___
greenville, north carolina              / ||| \         | |
bitnet:  ugkushma@ecuvm1                | ||| |        o o
internet:  ugkushma@ecuvm.cis.ecu.edu   / ||| \
           ugkushma@ecuvax.cis.ecu.edu /  |||  \
           mekindigo@ecu.campus.mci.net|  ---  |    |~
the "er"--been there, done that!        \_____/    o

"always tell the truth and be true." emily saliers
"color me grey, i'm a little bit of everything today..." amy ray
*****************************************************************

--
administrative requests should not be sent to the list!
to unsubscribe, send email to listserv@netspace.org
        with the line: signoff indigo-girls
=========================================================================
date:         tue, 17 sep 1996 22:31:25 -0600
reply-to:     "tony a.t. mendina" <mendina@utdallas.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
comments:     authenticated sender is <mendina@pophost2.utdallas.edu>
from:         "tony a.t. mendina" <mendina@utdallas.edu>
subject:      the newsgroup is broken at my site!?! (nigc)
x-cc:         cmueller@utdallas.edu

i have been trying to post in the newsgroup for several weeks now,
and no one at my system has taken notice of my complaints; they claim
that all is working properly and my posts are going out because they
can see them on the ut-dallas news server. (big deal) i am
wanting one last check of reality: can anyone *not* at utd see, in
alt.music.indigo-girls, any post by mendina@utdallas.edu, or any post
at all from utdallas.edu.

if you are reading this and are *at* utd, please post a test to the
a.m.i-g newsgroup and we'll see if this gets very far. let me know if
you post, and we'll see if we can get some people together and get
this fixed!

thanks, for patience and help and the list itself .

....................
tony at mendina                   "the only thing to prevent
mendina@utdallas.edu              what's past is to put a stop
dallas, texas usa                 to it before it happens."
(214) 907-1057                      --sir boyle roche

--
administrative requests should not be sent to the list!
to unsubscribe, send email to listserv@netspace.org
        with the line: signoff indigo-girls
=========================================================================
date:         tue, 17 sep 1996 22:48:03 -0600
reply-to:     "tony a.t. mendina" <mendina@utdallas.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
comments:     authenticated sender is <mendina@pophost2.utdallas.edu>
from:         "tony a.t. mendina" <mendina@utdallas.edu>
subject:      i *know* the list is working

it's the newsgroup i'm worried about. i have already gotten several
messages - in the past few minutes - letting me know that the
listserv is ok. i know this. it's my site's usenet feed i'm gathering
evidence on.

thanks! everbody wants to help out, i just need to be more specific.

4.5

the only ig recording that i regret buying....mostly because i shelled
out 26 bucks for the same stuff i already have but in different order.
i was hoping that there would be some kind of different version
of some songs as is often the case with imports...but noooooooooo.
but the cool cover art sucked me in ;)

okay...so i bought the gold version of indigo girls.....
....and was a little disappointed because it indicated that it
would include some reviews...but it didn't...just like the chickenman soc
that wasn't on 12000 curfews.

rats.

but the gold cd does sound better (i think :)

blunky

okay.....

i have had two cups of coffee from starbucks in two days.

i'm such a sniveling hypocrite....i deserve to be spanked.

i also like to put grapenuts and raisins in my yogurt...

there....i said it...

i feel so free ! (*sob*)

binkers

how do i listen to ig ?????

why....with my ears, of course.

(heh, heh)
sorry....i was compelled to write that by my friends in another dimension.

i listen to them while working or driving.....out in the woods...r&j
will forever remind me of the trunk of a huge sitka spruce
i was measuring....i also listen to them (and other music) while painting
the music kind of permeates what i'm doing...i can look at a painting
i've done and remember what songs i was listening to when
i made what part...kinda weird...maybe not.

i can also write upside down and backwards :)

binky

"that's what your face looks like, honey, when you're bent over."
(rita beads)

hi all,
i was just wondering if there was anyone out there that could tell me where
i might be able to start getting boots at.  i don't have any but i would
undoubtedly love to have as many as i could get.  if i have anything to
trade for them (which i doubt), i will.  well i guess that i will be on my
way.
stay groovy,
ryan

hey everybody!  abigail realized, & i agree, that the chorus of "hmd" does
indeed resemble a hebrew song that i used to sing at camp--"david melech
yisrael."  for everyone who's jewish or knows hebrew songs, you prob. know
the song...it's the one w/ the hand motions.  do you see the resemblence,
or are we crazy?

and on the "when do you listen to ig?" thread, i would say that i'm very
flexible.  i can sit for hrs. & listen to ig music & nothing else, or i can
have them on in the background while i do other things (like talk on the
phone or do homework), as long as the other thing is interesting.  if it's
boring, i find myself singing along w/ a & e instead of focusing on
whatever i'm supposed to be doing.  :)

that's it...i've got work to do!

andi

-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-
"the prize is always worth the rocky ride."-es

"it feels funny being free."-ar
_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_

y'all probably already got this info (i am on digest and have not seen
anything from today yet) but just in case... at bumbershoot i talked with
danielle howle just a little and got on her mailing list and thoroughly
demanded info on when she will be back... thus... here is what i discovered
in my snail mail this am:

western washington dates for danielle howle:

thurs, sept 26  olympia  midnight sun (no times etc listed)
fri, sept 27    redmond  old fire house 8:45 pm
sat, sept 28    seattle  sit and spin   doors open 9pm, starts 10pm
sun, sept 29    portland (oregon) the o  5:30 pm

        if this is a repeat, please flame someone who desires a flame or
two...  me and my new non-imaginary gf jeni will be at all or some of these
depending completely upon our moods and our gas gauges... oly and seattle
for sure.... i think.. jeni??   hmmm....  oly for sure.  all 4 possibly.
                do i hear road trip ?!?!?!?!

tracy <hand tapping a new temp sig>
oh duh - ps - danielle howle is a daemon artist who played at
bumbershoot just before michelle malone... she is out-fing-standing and
y'all need to hear her... heck, she can just talk to me and i', happy...
usual cliche' of run don't walk and get her tunes. amy's label has awfully
good taste.
---
"it's about big puffy girl handwriting... umm... handwriting that's
big and puffy? you know those girls? and the girls that write, instead of
writing 'to' so and so, they write a 2, the number 2? and they're like '2
u...' and love - luv, right? and they write, uh... instead of 'you're' they
write 'u r'.... 'u r gonna luv 2 b4, i...' you know what i'm saying? those
girls and i didn't get along too well...."

--- danielle howle from the live at mckissick museum cd, the intro
to the killer song "big puffy girl handwriting". them girls and i didn't
get along too well either... lol

i can listen to ig in practically all situations...sometimes i just
have them playing in the background and sometimes i really listen to
them...there have been a few times though that i've put them on as
background music while i study and i've ended up thinking about them,
the lyrics and music more than my work...one thing i always do though
is put the cd on shuffle...its so cool to have the songs coming on in
a different order...
the only time i can't listen to ig is during the day...the lab is
very dull and quiet due to some people not being able to concentrate
with any noise, even in the background...sometimes i bring my
personal stereo in, but it always feels really anti-social so i don't
bother much.
anyway, i've been away for a bit, so how have the concerts been
going...i was looking on the net and is that it for their tour now?
roll on next year, new album...new tour?...big tour?...european
tour?!!!!
i live in hope!
talk to y'all later
love helene
"steer clear of the shore, the coast is rough and rocky" kate wolf

helene burningham <h.burningham@ulst.ac.uk>
coastal research group
department of environmental studies
university of ulster
coleraine bt52 1sa
northern ireland
44(0)1265 324010

well, if you hadn't guessed from the subject already, my name is stephanie
and (yes, sniff, i have to admit it...) i am a newbie. (sob! :) ) be
patient. actually, be proud of me for de-lurking enough to post. :)

anyway, it completely floored me when i found this list--can i really be
in a place with so much ig...stuff...and not explode? i saw them at
bumbershoot, so if that didn't do it, i suppose nothing will. :) let's just
say that emily's moon/rollercoaster comment made my night--and if they're
remotely close to seattle again, _please_please_ let me know.

oh, a word of advice to y'all: on finding this list, i took it upon myself
to read the logs of the recent postings. i made it through three of them
(in two days). do not, under any circumstances, no matter how desperate
you are for an ig fix, repeat do not do this. all i have to say is that
y'all talk a _lot_. :)

and one more comment (if you've gotten this far, thank you for being
patient...the following is pretty nigc.). regarding the llama-flipping
posts of about a month ago: at the summer camp i work at, we use the term
"cow-tipping" to refer to bedwetting. (this allows staff to talk to/about
kids who wet the bed without campers teasing each other.) llama-flipping
seems, to me, to be semantically related to cow-tipping. if indeed it is,
i have no earthly desire to know what llama-flipping really is. :)

so that's it. really. (for now...heh heh heh.)
-stephanie

________________________________________________________________
stephanie lingwood lingwood@u.washington.edu
"time's fun when you're having flies."
___________________________________________-kermit the frog_____

--
administrative requests should not be sent to the list!
to unsubscribe, send email to listserv@netspace.org
        with the line: signoff indigo-girls
=========================================================================
date:         wed, 18 sep 1996 09:51:00 +0100
reply-to:     juliet long <j.l.a.long@reading.ac.uk>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         juliet long <j.l.a.long@reading.ac.uk>
subject:      re: yet another newbie & other stuff!
in-reply-to:  <pine.a32.3.92a.960918010932.44482b-100000@homer16.u.washington.edu>

on wed, 18 sep 1996, s. lingwood wrote:
> well, if you hadn't guessed from the subject already, my name is stephanie
> and (yes, sniff, i have to admit it...) i am a newbie. (sob! :) ) be
> patient. actually, be proud of me for de-lurking enough to post. :)

yay!!!! i know the feeling... and hey!!! i'm proud of ya!! ;)

> and one more comment (if you've gotten this far, thank you for being
> patient...the following is pretty nigc.). regarding the llama-flipping
> posts of about a month ago: at the summer camp i work at, we use the term
> "cow-tipping" to refer to bedwetting. (this allows staff to talk to/about
> kids who wet the bed without campers teasing each other.) llama-flipping
> seems, to me, to be semantically related to cow-tipping. if indeed it is,
> i have no earthly desire to know what llama-flipping really is. :)

well - thats a favourite pastime of kira's - it apparently keeps them
happy!!! how *are* they doing kira??

thanks for all the suggestions re: the album covers - it seems that no-one
really fully understands exactly what the significance is!! as far as the
confusion about 4.5 is concerned - thats a greatest hits compilation that
us brits get - and was my first intro to ig!!!! oh - and someone was
mentioning a gold cd - why gold - why not indigo??????

hope you're all having fun out there!!

juliet.
<http://www.rdg.ac.uk/pris/sed/juliet/home2.html>

hey y'll - i got this today, and thought you might be interested. lizzie

your name, social security number, current address, previous addresses,
mother's maiden name, birth date and other personal information are now
available to anyone with a credit card through a new lexis database called p
-trax. as i am sure you are aware, this information could be used to commit
credit card fraud or otherwise allow someone else to use your identity.

you can have your name and information removed from this list by making a
telephone request.  call (800)543-6862, select option 4 and then option 3
("all other questions") and tell the representative answering that you wish
to remove your name from the p-trax database.  you may also send a fax to
(513) 865-1930, or physical mail to lexis-nexis / p.o. box 933 / dayton,
ohio 45401-0933.  sending physical mail to confirm your name has been
removed is always a good idea.

as word of the existence of this database has spread on the net, lexis-nexis
has been inundated with calls, and has set up a special set of operators to
handle the volume.  in addition, andrew bleh (rhymes with "play") is a
manager responsible for this product, and is the person to whom complaints
about the service could be directed.  he can be reached at the above 800
number.  ask for extension 3385.  according to lexis, the manager
responsible is bill fister at extension 1364.

i called this morning and had my name removed. the representative will need
your name and social security number to remove you from the list. i suggest
that we inundate these people with requests to remove our info from the list
and forward this e-mail to everyone we know.

------- forward, end of original message -------

hey y'all...does anybody here know when national coming out day is?  i have
this idea that it's october, but i need to know the date, i (snicker, katy's
gonna get herself in trouble again!) want to...celebrate!  seriously, does
anyone?  email me and let me know...i've tried finding out from various other
people but can't get an answer.  thought y'all might be a good resource.
thanks!
katy

hey y'all-
  i thought sheri's post regarding how we listen to the ig was interesting
because i've noticed that i listen to ig differently than i listen to other
types of music.  i get this incredible urge to sing....at the top of my lungs
(note to those who get stuck next to me at concerts : ) )  i get really happy
when i listen to upbeat ig songs and i can not do anything else.  i
definitely can't study when i am listening to them, yet i know one of my
friends who listens to them all the time while studying.
for me it's because their lyrics and music are so complex that it makes my
brain think upon that instead of work.  (sort of like if you listen to mozart
before a math exam you'll do better)
*lauren*
the best time to listen to ig is in your car with the windows rolled down and
the speakers blasting so everyone can hear!!
*************************************************
"it is of immense importance that we laugh at ourselves."  katharine
mansfield  (who does that sound like?)

"the state of the world today demands that women become less modest and
dream/plan/act/risk on a larger scale." charlotte bunch

hello list!  just thought i would share my joy with you.  i just recently
went to an amusement park called kings island which is close to
cinncinati ohio.  they had a store there that sold rock and roll t-shirts
and other stuff.  i found swamp ophelia t-shirts for $12.95. needless to
say, i am toooo excited.
rhonda

hey all,
howard finster was in that photo exhibit i mentioned a while back.  his photo
was a page out of his scrapbook, of him as a little boy with some of his
family, and he talked about his first vision of his sister and some other
stuff.  (this is the same guy, right?  the one who makes all of that collage
art in that place in georgia--what is it called, paradise garden?  yeah, i
think that's right.)
anyway, if you don't remember, the exhibit's called _talking pictures_, and
if it comes to your area you should go see it.
love and art,
karey
(usually known as karey weisman eals <karey@u.washington.edu>)

chris ii said:
>i don't listen to stuff that i hate.

......oh.

lol,
karey

hey y'all

who was it (forgive me i'm having one of those vague days!), who was
talking about willy porter? i saw him supporting tori amos earlier this
year, here in the u.k. he was excellent, and i went out and bought his
new album. what's this about two other records??
can someone fill me in on this?

many thanks

andrew

>who was it (forgive me i'm having one of those vague days!), who was
>talking about willy porter? i saw him supporting tori amos earlier this
>year, here in the u.k. he was excellent, and i went out and bought his
>new album. what's this about two other records??
>can someone fill me in on this?

andrew and others: here's the scoop...he released one other cd "trees have
sold" independently, but it's now out of print. i was able to track one
down here in milwaukee for a fellow listee last year (hi jill!) but i don't
know if any are to be had any longer.

deb

i know this thread is a bit outdated, but i'm really backed up on
messages (list has been active lately).

if i'm repeating info, oh well!!!

i read on the usenet list, i believe, that map stands for "musicians
at play";

of course, this could be one of those false, internet related rumors
(i.e. vince foster's suicide, a heat seeking missile downing twa flt
800 & the attack at waco, tx).

bye! bye!

melissa

in order to conserve posts, i'm doubling up on these threads.

i can pretty much forget being productive while i listen to ig if the task
requires my attention.  my school years would have been severely disrupted
had ig been playing then.  ig music is excellent for mindless tasks such as
yardwork, housework, driving, exercising (running)...  and one of the
biggest pluses is that i can (try to) sing along with the songs, and can't
seem to help doing so (sing is probalby not the right word...).  i think it
says a lot about a band that publishes their lyrics in the liner notes,
even though for most of the songs, they are completely clear (this is one
of my pet-peeves with rem).  to me, a & e are saying that they have a
message and its important to them that you get it.

anyway, most of the other music i listen to would allow for undivided
attention, but if its a song i really like, i have to pause my work until
the song is done. i do spend a lot more time listening to igs lyrics than
other bands because their songs tend to be more relavent to my own life.

the live vs. memorex thing is easy for me to answer because i tend to like
studio better.  to me live is live, ig playing before my eyes (although i
don't have any problem watching their videos...) .  i get so keyed up about
their shows that after the so tour a couple of years ago in seattle, i went
to both shows, was actually quite depressed afterwards because i built it
up for months before.  i didn't listen to any ig for a couple of months
afterwards.  this was spooky.  i've calmed down now, and didn't repeat this
when i saw all three jsc shows on the pier.  i think the problem i have
with live-taped music is that i'm not there!   i feel like i'm missing out.
i have to add, although its irrelavent, that my favorite concert
situations with ig are the shows they do when its just the two of them (the
practice shows).  no other people playing anything, just them.

betsy

i would be careful about giving these poeple my social secuirty number.

trant

>
> hey y'll - i got this today, and thought you might be interested.  lizzie
>
>
> your name, social security number, current address, previous addresses,
> mother's maiden name, birth date and other personal information are now
> available to anyone with a credit card through a new lexis database called p
> -trax.  as i am sure you are aware, this information could be used to commit
> credit card fraud or otherwise allow someone else to use your identity.
>
> you can have your name and information removed from this list by making a
> telephone request.  call (800)543-6862, select option 4 and then option 3
> ("all other questions") and tell the representative answering that you wish
> to remove your name from the p-trax database.  you may also send a fax to
> (513) 865-1930, or physical mail to lexis-nexis / p.o. box 933 / dayton,
> ohio 45401-0933.  sending physical mail to confirm your name has been
> removed is always a good idea.
>
> as word of the existence of this database has spread on the net, lexis-nexis
> has been inundated with calls, and has set up a special set of operators to
> handle the volume.  in addition, andrew bleh (rhymes with "play") is a
> manager responsible for this product, and is the person to whom complaints
> about the service could be directed.  he can be reached at the above 800
> number.  ask for extension 3385.  according to lexis, the manager
> responsible is bill fister at extension 1364.
>
> i called this morning and had my name removed.  the representative will need
> your name and social security number to remove you from the list.  i suggest
> that we inundate these people with requests to remove our info from the list
> and forward this e-mail to everyone we know.
>

hi everyone,

i've been off the list for quite a while (most of you probably have no idea
who i am). but since i live in minneapolis and am going to the honor the
earth concert friday, i thought i'd check to see if there are any list
meetings planned, and offer my help concerning directions/bars to go
to/other twin cities info.

please reply via personal e-mail as i'm not on the list.

--marci
-------------------------------
"watch me. i have many skills."
--xena

at 11:04 am 9/18/96 -0400, karey wrote:
>chris ii said:
>>i don't listen to stuff that i hate.
>
>......oh.
>
>lol,
... made me smile:)
i personally make it a point to listen to the stuff that whoever
i'm with hates, if'n that person happens to be an i-g hating no-mind:)
if he/she likes the i-g's however, then sometimes i give up control of
the stereo + let him/her choose the songs/album:)
as far as how i listen to the girls goes... um... with my ears... okay, okay...
too obvious ( and way too much of a groaner :) ) ( it's early + my friend
here doesn't drink coffee. so i'm running, unleaded... sputter, sput sput...
choke...gasp... "caffiene... please.... anyone...") ( <--- basic excuse
for stupidity, #1 ) so please pardon my less than goddess-like tappings...
( why not... you've all done so *tons* of times in the past:) )
okay... forward slash me takes a deep breath + gets serious...:)
i listen to all music in the same way. i'm word + language oriented... and i
*love* lyrics... so i listen intently to them. i do this while driving...
doing house work etc etc etc... but no way can i write, or read while my
music is on. i often am irritated by conversation if i'm concentrating on
some particular verse in the song.
all my music *must* have meaningful lyrics... ( unless i'm partying +
dancing... cause i
am not without rythem, harmony...blah blah blah... and i love to dance! :) )
i was thrilled when i found the ig's... their lyrics touch a core in me... i
always felt a bit out of place, cause i just couldn't relate to much of the
stuff that was/is out there... and now i can/do. the girls stuff is
something i've looked for in my music all my life...
the end of kim's brilliant ( choke )discourse...
peace all... just kim... who promises ones like trace and karey etc etc
etc... that as
soon as my life is back in order + my computer is at my own place... my
e-mailing *will* resume it's tiring onslaught:)

<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
<just kim>rcn@prcn.org
"pain from pearls-hey little girl-
how much have you grown?"
---------------amy ray------------------
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>

--
administrative requests should not be sent to the list!
to unsubscribe, send email to listserv@netspace.org
        with the line: signoff indigo-girls
=========================================================================
date:         wed, 18 sep 1996 11:04:56 -0700
reply-to:     gwendigo <gkeyt@paul.spu.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         gwendigo <gkeyt@paul.spu.edu>
subject:      re: starbucks and grapenuts
x-to:         mmedido@aol.com
in-reply-to:  <960917235143_524860018@emout01.mail.aol.com>

i've said it before, i'll say it agaiin.... bad zoot!

as long as you don't put grapenuts and raisins in your coffee, i guess
it's okay. i like grapenuts, but not that much....

on tue, 17 sep 1996 mmedido@aol.com wrote:

> okay.....
>
> i have had two cups of coffee from starbucks in two days.
>
> i'm such a sniveling hypocrite....i deserve to be spanked.
>
> i also like to put grapenuts and raisins in my yogurt...
>
> there....i said it...
>
> i feel so free ! (*sob*)
>
> binkers
>
> --
> administrative requests should not be sent to the list!
> to unsubscribe, send email to listserv@netspace.org
> with the line: signoff indigo-girls
>

hi everyone. i'm new and have been following the list for a few weeks now.
i discovered the girls when i was going through a rough time in my life and
their music has been like bread and water ever since.

so...

a) i have no idea what album "4.5" is either regarding the questions about
album covers, but if i'm missing out on any ig music, i'm interested in
correcting that situation.

b) about the "map" cd...any ideas when it will be out at the stores?!!!!!
<drooling>

c) is it true that the ig are recording a new song called "life is just a
bowl of grapenuts"?

d) i think they themselves have said that they prefer the live performances
of their songs. i like the roughness and raw energy that comes through the
live versions.

this is a great list and it's nice to meet y'all.

amy

hi to all,

for everyone who thought (hoped?) that they had heard the last of me,
sorry, i'm back.  after a two+ week vacation it took me two+ weeks to dig
out of everything that had piled up at work (yes pooh, i do work!  : ))
while i was  gone.  so now, i'm back, i'm caught up on my digests, and
i'm feeling whole again.  for all who asked, btw, there was,
unfortunately, no extension to the baby tour, but we're looking forward
to next year!

so, anyhow, only about a month behind, i'd like to add my contribution
to a couple of threads:

first, mr. limes:     i wrote a post during song of the day back in april
or so saying i couldn't quite figure out the meaning behind the line, and
song, "the language and the kiss."   i got back lots of wonderful and
thoughtful responses discussing the theme of deciding between a career
and family, which all made perfect sense once i found out that it was
"the language or the kiss."  when i mentioned this to my wife, she said
no, no, it is the language and the kiss, so i'll blame her for my
mistake.

on sotw, kid fears:     my wife explained to me that it was a song about
the plight of  fisherman in the bayou who are losing their boats due to
the influx of commercial fisherman who are using  illegal techniques.  we
love this song because it is so passionate about these poor fisherman who
are burning up inside and would give anything for their catfish!   : )
(that's for you binky)

on the lady of shallot:     loreena mckennit has a beautiful song on her
album "the visit" which is the poem put to music in the way only she can.
it should not be missed!  the whole album is wonderful too, btw, i
highly recommend it.   left me a fool is my favorite ig song, bar none.
i read the lines  " you remind me of shallot, only made of shadows, even
though you're not"  as seeing the hero as a mythical, perfect image, sort
of like shallot or camelot, and then finding out that they are not, that
they are just a real person and have faults just like everyone else.

live vs. memorex:     i'm a live person all the way.  i wish all artists
would just skip right past the studio stuff and record everything live.
i'd prefer to hear passionate imperfection than sterile perfection any
day.  as far as specific songs, i especially like touch me fall live
(which i didn't like when i first only had heard it on the cd) ,
especially with cortez the killer or some other song in the middle.  when
i first saw them perform it at great woods in '94 it totally blew me
away, i completely lost sense of where i was, absolute magic.  the only
other time i felt so taken away by the music was when i fist saw bruce in
'75  ( and no, i don't want to hear about how many of you weren't even
born then).

one last thing,  i know it has been posted, but can someone send me an
address where i can write to request that amy and emily autograph
something for me.  we got messages and autographs to my daughter from
everyone we saw on the baby tour except ig, and would love to add that to
her collection, since they were her favorite of course, well, along with
her pal carol noonan!  : )

peace,
harry a. keates
email: hak@crai.com

p.s. i found another proclaimers fan on the ig list and an aztec camera
fan on the dar list. this is good! : )

bon:

i lost your new address!  are you out there in ig land yet, or does anyone
have her new address?  i have three boots for her!  sorry to waste
bandwidth!  thanks and peace-

karrie :)

hi there!

i was browsing through some web pages on the indigo girls and i came across
one that said that if i had any questions i could mail them to this
address.  my question is in regards to the spiritual, specifically
christian, content of many of the girls' songs.  the question of whether
emily and amy are "christian" was raised during a discussion recently and i
have been given the task of researching this question and reporting back
this sunday.  if there is any information regarding what the girls say
about their own faith (because it's obvious that they have a deep faith in
something or someone) i would be very interested in seeing it.  if it's
possible to get this before sunday, sept. 22, great!  i realize, however
that that is somewhat short notice.  i would still be interested in
receiving this info, or a quick note to let me know that there isn't really
anything available along these lines, at whatever time it is convenient for
you to respond.  you can e-mail me at this address or send snail mail to:

                sean howard
                36 juliana court
                toronto, ontario
                m6s-2r2
                canada

thanks very much!

could whoever posted this message please contact me. was interested in where
this info originated from.

--
nicholas j. cepeda       ncepeda@faroe.vp.uiuc.edu       (217)244-6763 (w)
univ. of illinois
beckman institute
405 n. mathews        nobody gets a lifetime rehearsal,
urbana, il 61801      as specks of dust, we're universal...(emily saliers)

at 10:33 am 9/18/96 -0700, rhonda hoffmeyer wrote:
>hello list!  just thought i would share my joy with you.  i just recently
>went to an amusement park called kings island which is close to
>cinncinati ohio.  they had a store there that sold rock and roll t-shirts
>and other stuff.  i found swamp ophelia t-shirts for $12.95. needless to
>say, i am toooo excited.
>rhonda
>
>--

at paramount kings dominion in virginia near wash. d.c. they had them for
$10 this summer! there were tons there so they probably still have some. lori

>administrative requests should not be sent to the list!
>to unsubscribe, send email to listserv@netspace.org
> with the line: signoff indigo-girls
>
>

hey,

must say that i listen to ig the most when i am feeling emotional. when
i'm upset, sad, or just in a great mood. i find that i favor different
songs when i am different moods. anyone else find the same thing? joking
and reunion are two of my favorites when i'm mad. hammer and a nail always
manages to put me in a better mood. and of course the countless songs
about love for when nothing seems to be going right in that area. closer to
fine when school really sucks. galileo is definately a just stick it
in your face song. i can listen to it any time. what about y'all? just
trying to de-lurk a little.

--
elizabeth bradbury, ke4iwn  "not counting the unmarked paths of misdirection,
georgia tech
scientific atlanta, rf co-op     my compass, faith in love's perfection."
gt6702c@prism.gatech.edu                   -"love's recovery" -emily saliers

wow, i think about this all the time!  (not all...i do have a life!) (maybe
:)  anyway, i listen to ig in the morning as i'm trying to drag myself out of
bed, i usually wake up with certain songs in mind so i have to find them
first.  then i listen to them while i'm doing anything like cleaning up,
reading magazines, staring at the ceiling, etc.  when i'm studying, i have to
turn off all music to study math (until i catch on) and science, or doing any
kind of reading that requires lots of concentration.  like, i can read my
government book with ig but not my physics book.  i like listening to ig when
i'm writing and revising stuff.  and when i read my email :)  and, well,
pretty much any other time of the day...i used to leave a tape on as i'd be
falling asleep, but then i'd find myself trying to stay awake to hear the
end, which defeated the purpose.  :)
cool thread
katy

in a message dated 96-09-18 16:08:09 edt, you write:

<< i completely lost sense of where i was, absolute magic. the only
other time i felt so taken away by the music was when i fist saw bruce in
'75 ( and no, i don't want to hear about how many of you weren't even
born then). >>

oh my god !!!!!

me too !!!!!!!
(oh...woah, woah, woah thunder road oh thunder road oh thunder road !!!)
(winterland, san francisco, 1975 !!!!!!!)

(i didn't want to like him because my kinda sorta boyfriend
kinda adopted his 'persona' {a "pretend", bruce} and it really
really, annoyed me...but i couldn't help myself ...the real
thing was too good !!!!)

binky

hi folks,

  in the tower records publication pulse! (sept 96) there is an
excellent article on ani difranco.  she goes into her musical style,
perosnal background, releases, etc.  they even interview andy a bit.

its fair, extensive (~5 pages and some good pix), and objective
(they did the best write up on her sexuality i've yet to see). pick
it up if you can!

-- chris

p.s. she's the covergirl too =)

http://www.mit.edu:8001/people/cmbecker/home.html [my homepage]
---------------------------------------------------------------------------

hi y'all...just read the interesting post relating these two songs,
and i spent the past ten minutes listening to hmd to try and associate the
two...well, when i finally managed to block out amy and emily's singing (not
an easy thing to do!) and just concectrate on the music, i do have to agree
that the chords are similar, but i have to reach way out to associate it any
further!!
yet another thing i never thought to look for in an ig song!

peace jen

melissa wrote":

>hey, i finally realized that i do actually have some of my own
>misheard lyrics. what is the funniest about these is that you
don't really realize you don't know the words until you hear
someone else singing them or you wake up and read the lyric sheets!

>        land of cannan  "it's just a rage in saigon..."  instead
of "it's just a raging cycle"
>
>nashville  "i feel the munees to kiss..."  instead of "i fell on
my knees to kiss..."
>
>
>        don't ask me how, but i actually understood what amy meant
in
>nashville i just didn't understand what she was saying.
>
>later, melissa

that was really cute!! thanks for the giggles!
cecile

hi everyone! well, i managed to figure out all the words to it's alright,
so i thought i would post them for everyone, of course, there are probably
many
mr. limes contributions, but it's the best i can do!

and a little note to capricorns who want the b-shoot boot from me, if you
want work out a trade :) send me your lists! then i can get the boot to
you faster

it's alright

it's alright, forty days of rain
skin stretched out from the growin' pain
it'd be nice to have an explanation
but it's alright
and it's alright if you hate that way
you hate me cause i'm different
you hate me cause i'm gay
the truth of the matter come around one day
it's alright
i look at this life line stretched way all across my hand
i look at the burned out empty like a plague across the land
and for everything i learned, there are two i don't understand
that's while i'm still on a search
through the weather strewn church
i'm doing the best that i can
it's alright
and it's alright, though we worry and fuss
we can't get over the hump, can't get over us
seems easier to push than to let go and trust
but it's alright
when we get a little distant, some things get clearer
get on the space some hearts grow nearer (not sure about this line)
i ran as hard as i could, still ended up here
and it's alright
well i look at this life line stretched way all across my hand
and i look at the fires of hatred
burning up the bounty of this beautiful land
and i know that i'm small in a way, but i know i'm strong
and it's my thrist that brought me to the water
i give it all up as she carries me on
and it's alright
and it's alright though i feel afraid
my plans in pieces, my plans mislaid
it's the will of the way
the will of the way
the will of the only way that could have brought me here today
and it's alright

peace, love, and purple,
the goddess-o-parity,
sundara

"...don't drink the water, there seems to be something ailing everyone..."

--emily

hey all--

the other day a friend gave me a copy of the 6/28/94 nyc show that ig did
and it was titled "days of wine and roses". but i have also heard that this
show is titled "nothing to hide"? which one is it?

take it easy all,
mary :)

*****************************************************************
                                          ___
mary elizabeth kushman                   <|||>
"hey!  come see my ultrasonic frogs!"    <|||>
          (coming soon)                   |||       |~
university scholar 1994                   |||      o
bs physics, class of 1998                 |||
east carolina university                 _|||_          ___
greenville, north carolina              / ||| \         | |
bitnet:  ugkushma@ecuvm1                | ||| |        o o
internet:  ugkushma@ecuvm.cis.ecu.edu   / ||| \
           ugkushma@ecuvax.cis.ecu.edu /  |||  \
           mekindigo@ecu.campus.mci.net|  ---  |    |~
the "er"--been there, done that!        \_____/    o

"always tell the truth and be true." emily saliers
"color me grey, i'm a little bit of everything today..." amy ray
*****************************************************************

lauren dick wrote:
>
> hey all-
>      i was curious if any of you new what is said after the song least
> complicated on the so cd.  you can hear the bongos playing and then faintly
> you can hear what sounds like emily saying:  that's the way i wanted to do
> it, or something like that.  any ideas?
>
> *lauren*
> "love will come to you, hoping just because i said the words it be true..."
>
> --
> administrative requests should not be sent to the list!
> to unsubscribe, send email to listserv@netspace.org
>         with the line: signoff indigo-girlsi hear emily say something like, " yeah.....that's the way i feel it"
and amy says, "well, you're the one who feels it first." and then emily
goes on but....can't tell....get's softer... :)
cool...thanks for pointing that out...can't believe i'd never even heard
it before :)

i just went through my disc collection and in the interest of more room i'd
like to offer them to list members for free or to trade for ig boots. okay
no laughing at the list:

big star - live at missouri university

cause and effect - another minute

duran duran - thank you thank you

kim hill - satisified (single)

sonny landreth - outward bound

love jones - here's to the love

bette midler - gypsy soundtrack

bette midler - experience the divine

sloan - take it in (3 tracks)

the spelvins - whichever train comes

email me if your interested.

michelle

thank you to everyone who told me that the dc show never happened.  i was so
upset when read the fan club thingy.  the 9:30 club is so small and cool it
would have been a great place to see the girls.   i am so relieved.
   thanks....

sasha

>        western washington dates for danielle howle:
>
>thurs, sept 26  olympia  midnight sun (no times etc listed)
>fri, sept 27    redmond  old fire house 8:45 pm
>sat, sept 28    seattle  sit and spin   doors open 9pm, starts 10pm
>sun, sept 29    portland (oregon) the o  5:30 pm

hey, is anyone going to any of these shows? carolyn? binky? gwen?
anyone? wanna meet up?

peace, love, and purple,
the goddess-o-parity,
sundara

"...don't drink the water, there seems to be something ailing everyone..."

--emily

>c) is it true that the ig are recording a new song called "life is just a
>bowl of grapenuts"?

hmmmm....maybe amy and emily were lurking a few months ago....and why
didn't they play this on the practice tour? hee hee

peace, love, and purple,
the goddess-o-parity,
sundara

"...don't drink the water, there seems to be something ailing everyone..."

--emily

-- hi all. ive never been here before so bear with me.
i'm looking for live shows on tape.  especially in milwaukee.
my girlfriends birthday is approaching, and shes been to almost all the
milwaukee shows, some of them we've both been at.  anyways, i'm hoping to
find at least one of thm on tape.  i have rem shows to maybe trade  or
whatever, but please help me out if you can.
thanks alot,
ben             bhb@csd.uwm.edu
***********************************************************************
mail from uw-milwaukee i&mt general access computer labs
using netscape 2.02 -- workstation id:  apc163

harry (i think... bad, bad memory) wrote:
>>on the lady of shallot:     loreena mckennit has a beautiful song on her
album "the visit" which is the poem put to music in the way only she can.
it should not be missed!  the whole album is wonderful too, btw, i
highly recommend it.  <<

yeah, you guys should check out loreena.  i second the "highly recommended"
recommendation!  she has some *really* good and eclectic music!  she also
incorporates a lot of spiritual and religious aspects to her music.  i really
think she's a great "adult contemporary" (a.k.a. new age) artist.  listening to
her music reminds me of this naturish-type store i used to work at, cause it
also sold a lot of new age cds.  fun work atmosphere!... and totally unrelated
tidbit from my life.... :)

peace and happy days to all !!

tamara
(whoa, i suddenly feel like singing... "sunday, monday, happy days... tuesday,
wednesday, happy days... thursday, friday, happy days.... saturdays, blah-blah
days...)

hey, i just joined the list, so i thought i would introduce myself
quickly.  i love the indigo girls, and own swamp ophelia, indigo girls,
rites of passage, and nomads, indians, saints.  i also got to see them
live in concert about a year and a half ago!
my favorite songs have to be secure yourself, closer to fine, language
or the kiss, and land of canaan.  i have one question-  is secure yourself
a "christian" song?  i've always wondered.
i

on 9/18/96 5:19 pm, eb wrote:

>> joking and reunion are two of my favorites when i'm mad.<<

i listen to "israel's son" by silverchair when i'm mad.... although, i'd can't
really identify with the words in any way... and it's the only song i really
listen to from that cd... it's fun to yell along when you're angry though.
those of you who know this song may know what i'm saying... or not...

i think i'll go consult my therapist now... if only i had one... :)

the villainous tamara has managed to post two nigc messages tonight... hey, at
least they stemed from others' posts though...

...okay, i'll add some igc relating to the "when/where/how/why you listen
thread"...

i kinda can't talk when i'm listening to songs whose lyrics i'm engrossed in...
it even annoys me sometimes when people talk over it... if someone is talking,
i'll just turn the music to an inaudible level or off.... oh, and if i try to
study to great music, like ig of course, i find myself singing instead of
studying (another one of my many procrastinating tendencies)... okay... that's
it... peace to all !!

p.s. sorry, i'm not in a capitalization mood at this moment... i'll try not to
let it happen again... guess i'm having an existential dilemma...

"....and the cosmos grew all around and around..." -- t. <-- that one's for
you, tommy!

hey y'all!!
   i just wanted to share with y'all how cool my english teacher is.  today
we had marker day (and that wasn't the best part)  and while we were making
our beautiful creations, she played some shawn colvin!!!  i was so excited.
it just made my day.  had to share...

*lauren*
.....maybe for the next marker day i'll slip in some ig!!!
*************************************************
"it is of immense importance that we laugh at ourselves." katharine
mansfield (who does that sound like?)

"the state of the world today demands that women become less modest and
dream/plan/act/risk on a larger scale." charlotte bunch

>from: "keates, harry" <hak@crai.com>

>on the lady of shallot: loreena mckennit has a beautiful song on her
>album "the visit" which is the poem put to music in the way only she can.
> it should not be missed! the whole album is wonderful too, btw, i
>highly recommend it.

i was going to write this same thing, but hadn't got to it yet. for anyone
who has not heard loreena, you are missing one of the most beautiful voices
on earth. she just melts me every time i listen to her.

p.s. i'm back on the list at home... whoo hoo! thanks jude and brian!

on to thurday...
john

connecticut

**********************
coop@ctol.net
http://www.ctol.net/~coop/
**********************
****************************************
1996 newport folk festival pictures are now at:
http://www.ctol.net/~coop/folkpage/newport.html
****************************************

hello!
        after a whopping four month absence (without signing off...), i
just wanted to  drop a line and see who's still here.   where are you
guys??  and i suppose i'll be meeting new folks too..

new shawn colvin in six days!!!! gotta love it...

chatter chirp squeak buzz...
teri

"...don't drink the water, there seems to be something ailing everyone..."

--emily
when did emily say that? i like it :)

jendy

to sundara's fine transcription, i would add a slight revision to the first
line:

rather than "it's alright, forty days of rain," i think it might be:

"it's alright for the days of rain
my skin stretched out from the growing pain ..."

not sure ... what do you all think?

anna

p.s. i love this song!

i was just informed that a lady by the name of janet martin is
going to be giving a concert in a relatively small place near my
house in richmond, va.  i was just wondering if any of y'all had
ever heard of her, 'cause i haven't. =)  i will probably go to the
concert anyway to check her out, but i'm just curious as to
what kind of music she plays, etc.  have an indigo day! =)

peace, love, and flying butter biscuits,
ponygirl

p.s. big cyberhugs to my trail rider--you know who you are! ;)

yes loreena mckennitt is brilliant!

...and, for all you ontarians, you can play scrabble with her in a charity
scrabble game in stratford, ontario on october 4th. ($50.00 to play,
$10.00 to watch).

elizabeth

geeeez now i feel like an idiot after having it pointed out to me that this
line is from "get out the map." lazy ol' me hasn't got any of the boots so
hasn't heard the song. oh well!

>"...don't drink the water, there seems to be something ailing everyone..."
>
> --emily
>when did emily say that? i like it :)
>
>jendy
>

--
administrative requests should not be sent to the list!
to unsubscribe, send email to listserv@netspace.org
        with the line: signoff indigo-girls
=========================================================================
date:         thu, 19 sep 1996 14:07:28 +1000
reply-to:     paris lord <p.lord@student.qut.edu.au>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         paris lord <p.lord@student.qut.edu.au>
subject:      any australian ig fans out there?
in-reply-to:  <199609190322.xaa20722@mail.jax-inter.net>

hello to all my fellow nomads.
just wondering if any australian ig fans are subscribed to this list?
if so, why have you been so quiet?!
one more thing..
to anyone owning a bootleg, is there any chance of you sending one down
here?? the only live cd's any record shop stocks here in brisbane are
'1200 curfews' and 'back on the bus y'all'.
anyhow, thanks for reading.
adieu,
paris...................................

*******************************************
heaven knows i'm miserable now
-the smiths
*******************************************

on 9/18/96 10:12 pm, teri wrote:

>>after a whopping four month absence (without signing off...), i
just wanted to drop a line and see who's still here. where are you
guys??<<

hey teri!! and everyone else, of course!! :)

yikes!!  and i thought it was bad enough to let my mail pile up for a few
days.... :)  you have my sympathy.  does that cult lady still live in your
computer lab?!  *chuckle*

>>new shawn colvin in six days!!!! gotta love it...<<

i'm counting down!! sorry, i just had to comment for anyone who happens to not
know.... shawn colvin has a new cd called, "a few small repairs" coming out on
oct. 1 (for those who can't count... :) *grin*

>>chatter chirp squeak buzz...<<

i've never actually heard the song with these lyrics ("wild party at the loquat
tree"...
or whatever it's called). is it a remake or something? would i know it if i
heard it??

this is my last post, i promise.  i may have broken a record today, so i'll lurk
for a week or so!!  even as i write, i'm procrastinating on finishing the last
page of yet another paper... anyone ever heard of soren kierkegaard??  he's a
danish philosopher and from what i've read so far, he has some cool ideas.  does
anyone know about his work?  any philosophy majors in the house??

i'm goin', i'm goin'.... :)

someone was wondering where the information re: the personal information being
sold post came from.  i don't know where it came from, but i can say that
as a paralegal, i am quite familiar with lexis/nexis and have used it many times.
i have not used it for that particular purpose, but i do know that the company
is a well known and established online legal research and news/info database service.
i must say i was surprised to learn that a person's social security number
could be accessed that easily.  frankly, i was shocked.  i know that many
private investigators have access to a special database through which they
are able to access certain information (for a nice fee, i'm sure), but i
am really surprised that such information could be retrieved from a
"mainstream" online database service like lexis/nexis.  if this is true, then
it makes me wonder if the same kind of information is available on westlaw.
westlaw is lexis/nexis' rival, though westlaw is more for legal research.
i do know that you can search newspapers, public records and stuff like that
on westlaw, and i would be interested in knowing if social security numbers
and the like are available there as well.  if this info is true, it is *very*
troubling.  that information in the hands of a con-artist could be
disastrous.

peace and privacy,

joan :)

did i get shawn's cd release date wrong? i thought it was oct. 1?? but.... if
it is in six days, that's even better!!

p.s. didn't mean to sound sarcastic in that last post... just being silly!! :)

on 9/18/96 10:52 pm, elizabeth wrote:

>yes loreena mckennitt is brilliant!

>...and, for all you ontarians, you can play scrabble with her in a charity
>scrabble game in stratford, ontario on october 4th. ($50.00 to play,
>$10.00 to watch).

again, i concur!

this is fuuunn-eeeeee!! if i lived in canada, i'd have to go just cause i think
it's such a funny, great, cool idea. could you imagine ig having a scrabble
tournament??

okay, i'm really going this time! geez....

--
administrative requests should not be sent to the list!
to unsubscribe, send email to listserv@netspace.org
        with the line: signoff indigo-girls
=========================================================================
date:         thu, 19 sep 1996 00:50:28 -0400
reply-to:     queen minerva <amytryon@phoenix.princeton.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         queen minerva <amytryon@phoenix.princeton.edu>
subject:      re: it's alright - revised
x-to:         anna hidalgo <ahidalgo@fc.emc.com.ph>
in-reply-to:  <2215481339.86494790@fc.emc.com.ph>

i would vote for "forty days of rain." and thanks so much for posting the
lyrics! i adore this song already and it just doesn't sound the same to
be singing along, "it's allright, mmm mmm mm mmm mmm." you know?

peace,
amy

on thu, 19 sep 1996, anna hidalgo wrote:

> to sundara's fine transcription, i would add a slight revision to the first
> line:
>
> rather than "it's alright, forty days of rain," i think it might be:
>
> "it's alright for the days of rain
> my skin stretched out from the growing pain ..."
>
> not sure ... what do you all think?
>
> anna
>
> p.s. i love this song!
>
> --
> administrative requests should not be sent to the list!
> to unsubscribe, send email to listserv@netspace.org
> with the line: signoff indigo-girls
>

i got a interview with newts sister candice i sent it as a file attached
to a note to the lsit i was told it didnt make it anyoen want a copy of it
send me private email this is a interview she did on prodigy just
recently this offer is open for a week so next thursday i delete it
hugs anthonyv an pyre

greetings!

i'm new to the list...and i'm attempting to d/l the faq using the url in
the welcome letter i got. however i keep getting a 404 error. if anyone can
help me to find the faq i'd appreciate it!

thanks,

shanna

sfreeman@coe.uga.edu

i also agree with" forty days of rain". i think noah & his arc would agree as
well. :)

--
administrative requests should not be sent to the list!
to unsubscribe, send email to listserv@netspace.org
        with the line: signoff indigo-girls
=========================================================================
date:         thu, 19 sep 1996 05:01:21 +0000
reply-to:     jeff & kirsten <bull@unixg.ubc.ca>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
comments:     authenticated sender is <bull@pop.unixg.ubc.ca>
from:         jeff & kirsten <bull@unixg.ubc.ca>
subject:      re: any australian ig fans out there?

> hello to all my fellow nomads.
> just wondering if any australian ig fans are subscribed to this list?

i'm an ex-pat aussie living in canada ig fan - does that fit your
criteria?  i'm even from brissie, too, so i know the feeling of
isolation from the music scene.  i moved here at the end of 94,
thinking my chances of seeing ig would increase.  how naive of me!
they were in van the summer before i got here, and toured australia
after i left.  was i pissed off :-(  anyway, i finally saw them at
bumbershoot....  did you see the brisbane show?

> if so, why have you been so quiet?!

i joined the list after bumbershoot/ at the beginning of uni, then
promptly got sick and way behind in reading. you've managed to
delurk me with thoughts of ex-home and homesickness. good job!

kirsten in van [there seems to be a need to distinguish myself from
the other kirsten]

oddly... after a very decaffeinated post from our goddess (which i
am certain had nan to do with abba) she added the following:
>peace all... just kim... who promises ones like trace and karey etc etc
>etc... that as soon as my life is back in order + my computer is at my own
>place... my e-mailing *will* resume it's tiring onslaught:)

pardon??? like trace? this would be *me* ?? errr... i had not
shared anything regarding this thread yet... so like me would be to not have
posted... hmmm.... and we all know how likely that would be from our beloved
goddess!!! lol (i can get away with this sort of behavior b/c i have met kim
irl now and she knows how cute i can be when trying to get out of trouble)
in any case... okay.. i take this as a sign from the goddess that i should
post about this thread...

        i listen to ig just about whenever and in nearly every state of
mind... i mainly listen to tunes in the car... back in h*ll... i mean back
in michigan, i had 100 miles per day of commuting so did a lot of listening.
here back home home home i have, currently, no life and am usually listening
to my tunes right here... in front of my computer a lot.  cooler than cool,
my non-imaginary one (hi jeni!) listens to really outstanding tunes as well,
so the rl i do have has music no matter what car we are in. when life
resumes, after the reboot, i expect that i will continue to try to make my
life have a soundtrack, and much is ig.  in general: i tend to record comp
tapes for myself of diff artists and fav songs... ig always have at least 4
songs on any 90 min tape.  tapes made during happier times (like now!) have
stuff like shame on you, j & e, joking, etc...   down times may be filled
with b & f, nashville, etc...  when i am trying to change modes i may fill a
tape with the songs i (lovingly) call "emily nagging me" songs.. h & n,
lwctu, etc.
        there. better kim?  now i have actually said something about it.
sorry everyone else... flame kim. she still has those asbestos undies... you
did bring those to the secret computer hideaway didn't you goddess?

trace <bigtime listening to lifeblood, shame on you, and other happy songs
lately... thanks jeni!)

"it's all jan's fault."
-- marcia brady, a very brady sequel

sundara tapped:
>hey, is anyone going to any of these shows? carolyn? binky? gwen?
>anyone? wanna meet up?

        so i take it that *i* am not anyone??? having posted (in the very
note you quoted.. sniff sniff...) that me and my non-imaginery one are going
possibly to all four?  <insert loud melodramatic pouting> first the rosebud
and now....  <tracy begins singing "nobody likes me, everybody hates me, i'm
gonna' eat some worms..."> lol.
        yes we are going at least to the oly one.. possibly all four... to
the best of my knowledge yes we'd love to meet up... k?
        contact me if ya' wanna try to arrange a pack-the-place type party!

tracy <hoping that the green-lurker will assist me in making sundara feel
really awkward and guilty!> <lol!!>
"it's my job to exaggerate"
-- rosie o'donnell

hard to believe but true. susan is not posting with an opinion!!!! keep your
pants on, ladies and gentlemen!!!

just an observation...in listening to g-- out the map on the newport boot, i
think emily is saying "git out the map". give it a listen. there's no "e"
there. i looooove it.

also, who (in the background noise to the newport boot) is it that says "it's
okaaayyyy" after amy comments that winthrop makes her cry? i smile every time i
hear that little comment. if you're a lister, come forward. that's good stuff.

buh bye,
susan

--- you wrote:
it's alright, forty days of rain
skin stretched out from the growin' pain
it'd be nice to have an explanation
--- end of quoted material ---
ohhhhh my god! too funny! i thought em was singing "it's alright for the days
of pain...skin stretched out from the propane"

bwahaha...propane? on your skin? whatever.

in the words of amy ray...
"it's a lot different when you're in your room...by yourself"

ttfn, susan

--
administrative requests should not be sent to the list!
to unsubscribe, send email to listserv@netspace.org
        with the line: signoff indigo-girls
=========================================================================
date:         thu, 19 sep 1996 09:55:51 edt
reply-to:     "christopher m. becker" <cmbecker@space.mit.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "christopher m. becker" <cmbecker@space.mit.edu>
subject:      re: (nigc) personal info being sold
x-to:         103161.3515@compuserve.com
in-reply-to:  <960919042245_103161.3515_ihe95-3@compuserve.com>; from "joan
              morrison" at sep 19, 96 12:22 am

joan writes:

> someone was wondering where the information re: the personal
> information being sold post came from.  i don't know where it came
> from, but i can say that as a paralegal, i am quite familiar with
> lexis/nexis and have used it many times.  i have not used it for that
> particular purpose, but i do know that the company is a well known and
> established online legal research and news/info database service.  i
> must say i was surprised to learn that a person's social security
> number could be accessed that easily.  frankly, i was shocked.  i know
> that many private investigators have access to a special database
> through which they are able to access certain information (for a nice
> fee, i'm sure), but i am really surprised that such information could
> be retrieved from a "mainstream" online database service like
> lexis/nexis.  if this is true, then it makes me wonder if the same
> kind of information is available on westlaw.  westlaw is lexis/nexis'
> rival, though westlaw is more for legal research.  i do know that you
> can search newspapers, public records and stuff like that on westlaw,
> and i would be interested in knowing if social security numbers and
> the like are available there as well.  if this info is true, it is
> *very* troubling.  that information in the hands of a con-artist could
> be disastrous.

npr's morning edition (*love npr*) did a 10 minute story on the
nexis/lexis controversy.  it seems there are a number of in accuracies
that have sprung up.  your ssn, criminal record, medical records, and
mother's maiden name, and credit history are not available in a
search.  what is availible is your name, last 3 addresses, phone
numbers (including unlisted ones), email, and websites.  furthermore,
you can search by ssn (i.e. if i asked for christopher becker's entry,
i would not see my ssn, but if i searched on 999-99-9999 up comes my
entry!)

imho, that's dangerous enough for me. all that means is that the crook
punches in a random ssn and then can assume the person's identity.

mind you this information is out there anyway, the n/l product just
puts it at everyone's fingertips rather than having to apply for
special access with high fees, things that scare away most
con-artists.

npr closed their story with a statement by the n/l folks saying they
had no plans to remove the product from the market; however, if the
trend of people demanding thier name removed continues (they are
getting lots of calls, i think it was 2500+ a day) they may have to
"re-evaulate that decision."

do i remember correctly that lotus tried to do a similar thing 5 years
ago and backed down in face of oposition by internet folks?

-- chris

http://www.mit.edu:8001/people/cmbecker/home.html [my homepage]
---------------------------------------------------------------------------

okay, a new revised list of bumbershoot tapers... (this time including a
canada booter, thank you denise.)

gemini-- cynthia   crecca@admin.njit.edu
cancer-- mary     ugkushma@ecuvm.cis.ecu.edu
leo---     chris     talbotc@umich.edu
virgo--   kristina     andrade@az.com
libra---  jessica    a-jessio@microsoft.com
scorpio--  betsy   bbertiaux@spectrumctls.com
sagit --  deb    doobie@student.umass.edu
capricorn--  sundara    smurphy@ups.edu
aquarius-- susan    susan.b.marine@darthmouth.edu
pisces--   lisa     nordeelm@caa.mrs.umn.edu
aries-- melissa    hdtx97a@prodigy.com
taurus---  gwen  gkeyt@paul.spu.edu

uk/eur--  seffy  seffy@epic.co.uk
aus/nz --  sherlyn    sherlyn@fl.net.au
canada--  denise   deng@vnet.ibm.com

all right kids, enjoy. not everyone has their tapes yet so be patient blah
blah blah. okay, enough of my postings...

corinne

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
things don't have to be this way
catch me on a better day--garbage
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

speaking of winthrop... does anyone have the lyrics? i can't make out half of
what she's saying on my newport boot... but the portions i can make out are
*very* depressing. i love the song though; it's beautifully done!!

everyone have a wonderful day!!

peace and lyrics,
tamara

p.s. there's something to be said for eating cold pizza at 9:00 in the
morning... i just haven't figured out what it is yet...

sorry for wasting space here, but, haven't received a digest, recently
and i miss y'all??? paul

i just signed up this morning and was wondering if anyone has any
copies of bootlegs they would like to send me. i would like to start
a collection of them and seeing as it is my birthday sunday, it would
be a wonderful present!!! :)

if you can help out, please write me and i'll get you a postal
address. thank you so very much!! i would really appreciate it.
indigo girls live on forever!!

-bethany fleischauer
< fleiscbe@sbu.edu >

since we have a bunch of new folks on line (welcome), something seems
to be up with the web page, and i haven't seen it posted here in a
while -- the is the latest faq i have. note that it is 2 years old,
but its better than nothing!

enjoy,

chris

------------

indigo girls

latest update #2c [10/18/1994]

frequently asked questions

contents:

   history
   questions
      where did the name "indigo girls" come from?
      song writing
         do they write their songs together?
         what about the differences in their song writing?
      who are their musical influences?
      what is a "swamp ophelia'"?
      will indigo girls be pursuing solo projects?
      daemon records
         what is daemon records?
         who is currently on the daemon label?
         how can i be added to the daemon records mailing list?
      more information
      where can i get fan club or merchandise information about indigo
      girls?
      is there a newsletter or fanzine available?
   locations on the internet to get more information on indigo girls.
      anonymous ftp sites
      world wide web pages
   selected discography
   notes, credits, etc.

return to indigo girls main page

history

upon graduation from high school, saliers enrolled at tulane
university. ray enrolled at vanderbilt university the next year.
during this time, in 1985, ray recorded an unofficially released solo
tape, color me grey. unhappy with their choices of schools, both
transferred to atlanta's emory university, where they officially
adopted the monikerindigo girls.

indigo girls released their first independent single, "crazy
game"/"everybody's waiting (for someone to come home)" during the
summer of 1985 on the jellis records label, which sold for $2 per copy
on the emory campus and at local area record stores.

along with color me grey, one of four unofficially circulated bootleg
tapes that are necessary for any die-hard indigo girls fan's
collection, blue flood was recorded from a mixture of living-room
recordings and live cuts, and appeared in circulation sometime in
1986. it contains some early indigo girls gems such as the previously
mentioned "everybody's waiting" (song by amy) and emily's "the
untitled song," as well as the only two songs they've written
together, "if you live like that" and "the dirty song(don't know your
name)". other notable bootlegs include the 1986 live performance at
the now-defunct purple parrot club in atlanta, and the 1981 recording
tuesday's children -- "the b-band" performed 14 cover tunes and two
original songs, "leavin' ain't fair" (by emily) and "tuesday's
children" (by amy).

in 1986, they recorded their first independent ep, indigo girls on the
indigo label. during this time, they met their eventual manager who
informed them that their songs were too immature and they wouldn't get
anywhere. unaffected by this judgment of their work, they hired john
keane in 1987 to record their next independent release strange fire.
7,000 copies were manufactured and sold on vinyl (clear, blue, and
black) as well as on cassette, before going out of print.

in 1988, roger klein of epic records, on a tip from a friend at
columbia who had given klein a copy of strange fire, went to see this
upstart local band while they were playing the little 5 points pub in
atlanta. they were soon signed to epic by klein and in 1989 released
their first national recording indigo girls. by september of 1989 the
release had gone gold, and finally went platinum in december of 1991.
they were awarded a grammy in 1989 for best contemporary folk
recording, for indigo girls, and much to the dismay of everyone in
atlanta and elsewhere, lost the grammy for best new artist in 1989 to
milli vanilli. in the fall of 1989, epic re-released their independent
strange fire lp with a slightly altered song list -- replacing "high
horse" with a cover of "get together," which was featured on the
soundtrack to the hit tv show the wonder years.

in 1990, nomads*indians*saints was released, nominated for a grammy
award, and went gold.

in 1991 the live ep back on the bus, y'all was released, nominated for
a grammy award, and also went gold.

on may 12, 1992 rites of passage was released, and debuted at number
22 on the billboard album charts, and was certified platinum in the
same year.

on may 10, 1994, swamp ophelia was released and debuted at number 9 on
billboard's album chart. it was certified gold 6 weeks after its
release.

currently, indigo girls have been on tour since april of 1994. they
will appear in whoopi goldberg's new movie boys on the side (scheduled
to be released in winter of 1994). ray and saliers will be fronting
the house band at a club where fellow "musician" goldberg frequents.

answers to some frequently asked questions:

where did the name "indigo girls" come from?

from epic records "swamp ophelia" promo pack: "the name indigo girls
came from the dictionary. amy ray was looking through and fell upon
indigo. amy ray: "it is a deep blue, a root -- real earthy."

song writing

do they write songs together?

in the march 1, 1989 washington (dc.) times, amy ray stated: "we have
different styles. i love emily's, but i can't tap into her. i can
understand it, i can feel it, but my vocabulary's not as big as hers.
she's a more complex song writer. i use fantasy, images. she's more
direct, and tends to nail things down more. musically, she's not as a
direct as i am. i tend to write three-chord verses, simplistic,
rhythm-oriented." in the same article, emily saliers said: "our styles
are drastically different. i'd say my lyrics are more
straight-forward. when we try arranging a song, it works pretty well.
usually we hit exactly what the other wanted. in an interview in the
oct. 19, 1990 denver (colorado) post, emily saliers said: "we wrote a
song together once and it was horrible, really cliched and stiff."
[ed. note: "if you live like that"]

what about their differences as songwriters?

in a march 1994 us magazine article, amy ray said: emily's songs are
all about relationships with other people. my songs are about
relationships with myself."

who are their musical influences?

on the 1991 general foods international coffee house promotional cd,
amy ray said: "i like a lot of the college oriented music and i like a
lot of the early '80s stuff. i love the jam, and the clash. i think
paul westerburg is a great songwriter (from the replacements), and the
pretenders. i like rem a lot too. i like listening to a lot of indie
music because it seems to be more raw." emily saliers said: "joni
mitchell. i tend to stick to stuff i really love. i don't hear a lot
of new music that i like a lot. .... i always loved r & b. i grew up
on the jackson 5. i love black music a lot. i listen to
singer-songwriters. new artists that i like are shawn colvin and
mary-chapin carpenter. i like those guys alot."

what is a "swamp ophelia"?

on a modern rock line radio interview show in the spring of 1994, amy
stated: "we were having a big discussion about it because i thought it
was the name of a plant. we were at a nature preserve and walking
around and i saw a plant named swamp ophelia, like a nickname for it.
but we haven't been able to locate what plant that is."

will indigo girls record solo projects?

in a 1994 time magazine article (and also on an mtv interview), amy
ray said: " me solo is too much of me. emily solo is too much of
emily." emily saliers said: " i can't imagine having separate careers.
my greatest fear is that it will end." amy ray added: "my greatest
fear is that emily has a fear that it'll end."

daemon records

what is daemon records?

from the daemon records flier:

"the story of daemon records

(as told by president and proprietor, amy ray) daemon records is a
not-for-profit label that was conceived as a vehicle to allow
recording artists to express their artistic vision without the
confines and restrictions of the traditional corporate rock label,
daemon is not only run from the artist's perspective, it is actually
run by a staff of artists. my purpose in creating the daemon label was
to help break down the barriers within the music community, while
providing an opportunity for musicians to create and control their own
recordings within a free and nurturing environment."

who is currently on the daemon label?

james hall, the oblivious, lay quiet awhile, dede vogt, new mongrels,
and band de soleil. previously, kristen hall, gerard mchugh, ellen
james society, and michelle malone (solo) recorded for daemon. their
original recordings are still available by mail-order from daemon
records, as are the cds of long play recording artists big fish
ensemble. an upcoming gun-control benefit album, a remake of the
soundtrack from jesus christ superstar, will be released by daemon in
mid-november of 1994.

how can i contact daemon records?

write to them at:
daemon records
p.o. box 1207
decatur ga 30031

where can i get fan club or merchandise information on indigo girls?

indigo girls
c/o russell carter mgmt.
755 first national bank bldg.
decatur ga 30030

is there a newsletter or fanzine available?

write to:
lifeblood
c/o carolyn spidle
p.o. box 940643
plano, tx 75094
or email her at:
underdog@onramp.net

locations on the internet to get more information.

anonymous ftp sites

at ftp.nevada.edu, you will find songs with chords and/or tabulature.
at ftp.uwp.edu, you will songs with chords and/or tabulature,
pictures, old articles, and copies of the mailing list digests from
it's inception through january of 1994. at ftp.tezcat.com, you will
find a copy of this faq, and the complete discography.

world wide web pages

http://www.tezcat.com/~mtp/ig/html/ig-page.html current tour
information, complete discographies, a copy of this faq, copies of
downloadable digests, and information on how to subscribe to the
internet indigo girls mailing list.

selected discography

notes, credits, etc.

the information contained in this document was obtained from published
articles/interviews and radio/television interviews. it was assembled
and compiled by marianne pyra [mtp@mtp.com]. as the material contained
is publicly available, only the html form of this document is
copyrighted by the owner [mtp@mtp.com].

--
administrative requests should not be sent to the list!
to unsubscribe, send email to listserv@netspace.org
        with the line: signoff indigo-girls
=========================================================================
date:         thu, 19 sep 1996 09:04:52 -0500
reply-to:     tracy - home home home home <clumber@smtp.prostar.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         tracy - home home home home <clumber@smtp.prostar.com>
subject:      nigc - national coming out day
x-cc:         motor625@aol.com

>hey y'all...does anybody here know when national coming out day is? i have
>this idea that it's october, but i need to know the date,

to the best of my foggy memory national coming out day is october 11. if
you want historical info and stuff, let me know and i'll find it for you.

tracy <ever trying to be helpful... even at 3:30 am>
"it's my job to exaggerate"
-- rosie o'donnell

has anyone out there heard of christine kane(?) (acoustic guitar
singer/songwriter)?  she played our campus coffeehouse last night (mostly
original songs) and i was sitting at a table playing a serious game of
spades when i heard the opening chords to joking.  needless to say, i set
down my hand and put the game on hold to listen, and i was shocked (but
not dismayed) to find that it was, in fact, another kane original.  the
"joking" chords and strumming pattern were very different that her other
songs, where she tended to pick rather than strum--her guitar was more
and accompaniment to her voice than the ig's strong guitar (maybe it was
just the mixing at this particular performance).  point being that when
her set was over, i asked her if she listened to the ig, and she replied
that she had, but they weren't one of her major influences.  i ended up
getting her album, but the "joking" song wasn't on it.  i believe she
said she wrote it recently.  her lyrics are very much based in
reality, with many concrete examples to bring about the point of the
songs (which i thought was very good), but they seem to lack a sense of
an overall message, and could possibly restrict the ability of the
listener to identify with the songs.  the live guitar arrangements were
excellent, but i think that the studio versions of the songs, while they
had a much fuller sound (she played with only one other person on guitar
live), were occasionally overorchistrated (is that a word?).

if you get the chance to see her live, i recommend doing so--it was a
very good performance, and at least at the show, her cd was only $10.

returning to lurkdom,
steve

kabinda, zaire--in a move ibm offices are hailing as a major step in
the company's ongoing worldwide telecommunications revolution, m'wana
ndeti, a member of zaire's bantu tribe, used an ibm global uplink
network modem yesterday to crush a nut.

ndeti, who spent 20 minutes trying to open the nut by hand, easily
cracked it open by smashing it repeatedly with the powerful modem.

"i could not crush the nut by myself," said the 47-year-old ndeti, who
added the savory nut to a thick, peanut-based soup minutes later.
"with ibm's help, i was able to break it."

ndeti discovered the nut-breaking, 28.8 v.34 modem yesterday, when ibm
was shooting a commercial in his southwestern zaire village. during a
break in shooting, which shows african villagers eagerly
teleconferencing via computer with japanese schoolchildren, ndeti
snuck onto the set and took the modem, which he believed would serve
well as a "smashing" utensil.

ibm officials were not surprised the longtime computer giant was able
to provide ndeti with practical solutions to his everyday problems.

"our telecommunications systems offer people all over the world global
networking solutions that fit their specific needs," said herbert
ross, ibm's director of marketing. "whether you're a nun cloistered in
an italian abbey or an aborigine in australia's great sandy desert,
ibm has the ideas to get you where you want to go today."

according to ndeti, of the modem's many powerful features, most
impressive was its hard plastic casing, which easily sustained several
minutes of vigorous pounding against a large stone. "i put the nut on
a rock, and i hit it with the modem," ndeti said. "the modem did not
break. it is a good modem."

ndeti was so impressed with the modem that he purchased a new,
state-of-the-art ibm workstation, complete with a powerpc 601
microprocessor, a quad-speed internal cd-rom drive and three 16-bit
ethernet networking connectors. the tribesman has already made good
use of the computer system, fashioning a gazelle trap out of its
wires, a boat anchor out of the monitor and a crude but effective
weapon from its mouse.

"this is a good computer," said ndeti, carving up a just-captured
gazelle with the computer's flat, sharp internal processing device. "i
am using every part of it. i will cook this gazelle on the keyboard."
hours later, ndeti capped off his delicious gazelle dinner by smoking
the computer's 200-page owner's manual.

ibm spokespeople praised ndeti's choice of computers. "we are pleased
that the bantu people are turning to ibm for their business needs,"
said company ceo william allaire. "from kansas city to kinshasa, ibm
is bringing the world closer together. our cutting-edge technology is
truly creating a global village."

--
administrative requests should not be sent to the list!
to unsubscribe, send email to listserv@netspace.org
        with the line: signoff indigo-girls
=========================================================================
date:         thu, 19 sep 1996 09:04:22 cdt
reply-to:     jennifer hall
              <jennifer=hall%ts=deskcall%cs=hou@bangate.compaq.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         jennifer hall
              <jennifer=hall%ts=deskcall%cs=hou@bangate.compaq.com>
subject:      jude shabry - please email me

sorry for the broadcast folks <g> !

thx,
- jen hall

not only do i eat grapenuts, i read the posts with grapenuts in the subject
line first!!

--reggi
*********************
usa women's soccer #1
*********************

hello all,

i wanted to call attention to caroline aiken's upcoming show at fiddler's
green in atlanta this saturday.  she's been touring pretty intensely, and
this is her first solo show in her homeland in a while.  also, there are no
plans for her to play solo in atlanta again until december.  please help us
rally the troops for this show.  anyone who's seen her lately will agree,
you won't regret it.  here's an edited version of the show info from the
fiddler's green promoter, seeger swanson:

*******************

"the next fiddler's green coffeehouse is scheduled for 8:30pm on saturday,
september 21st at the garden hills recreation center located at 855
pinetree drive in buckhead (behind the swimming pool at rumson and
pinetree just north of east wesley). featured performers will be the well
opening for caroline aiken.

fiddler's green is rapidly gaining the reputation as one of the finest
acoustic music venues in the south. it is held in an intimate wooden
cabin, tucked away in a grove of trees in a quiet residential
neighborhood. candlelit tables, a professional sound system, and an
attentive audience round out the equation whose sum is a maximum listening
room atmosphere.

the music will start at 8:30pm. coffee, tea, soft drinks and light snacks
will be available for purchase; those who wish to drink alcoholic
beverages may bring their own. a $7 donation will be requested at the
door, children under 12 are welcome without charge.

for more information,
directions, etc. to or about fiddler's green coffeehouse, email
swanson@sph.emory.edu or call 404-371-9371.

featured performers

opening our september show will be the clarkesville-based acoustic duo
the well, consisting of beaufort, sc native emerson murphy and don
porterfield, who is from atlanta and was part of the athens music scene.

someone whose opinion we value is quoted thusly on the well's website
(located at http://www.hidwater.com/thewell/): "good harmonies, quality
musicianship, wonderfully crafted songs with thoughtful, and thought
provoking, lyrics... their stuff crept into my brain to the point where
i'd wake up with their songs floating around in my head."

our feature act in september is the one and only caroline aiken (check out
her website at http://www.hidwater.com/aiken/). raised on st. simons
island, she was only fourteen when she got her first paying gig singing
with a rock band on long island. she hasn't stopped since, and appears
much too busy moving forward to spend much time looking over her shoulder.

her current album, _live bait_ (also recorded live), is
rapidly gaining radio airplay as part of the rotation on the nationally
syndicated _acoustic cafe_ show (also heard 800 station worldwide on the
voice of america network; but unfortunately, not here in atlanta), as well
as _folkscene_ out of kpfk in los angeles.

a talented guitarist, aiken's show will feature both six and twelve
string guitars. she has an incredibly strong, clear voice that is going
to just knock you over at garden hills (try to imagine bonnie raitt
performing there instead of at the omni!).

caroline will have just returned from a three week tour to the west
coast, and is not scheduled to play in atlanta again until mid-december.
so this will be your last chance to hear her locally for a while. also,
rumors of a new studio album to be a label release next spring are afoot;
this might be your last chance ever to catch caroline aiken in a small
intimate setting like fiddler's."

lorene machado
manager
on the fly entertainment, p.o. box 39952, los angeles, ca  90039
phone:  (818) 787-2468, fax:  (818) 787-3031
toll free:  (888) 586-7074
e-mail:  lorene@flylive.com
caroline aiken website:  http://www.hidwater.com/aiken/

at 09:53 am 9/19/96 -0700, reggi wrote:
>not only do i eat grapenuts, i read the posts with grapenuts in the subject
>line first!!
now don't get me all excited so that i'm forced to whip out my thesis on
cereal grapists ( the grape-nut verses the regular grape consumer-type brain
):-) y'all know i was/am dead on the mark with that one:-) and which newbie
asked if the girls are coming out with a song about grapenuts???? i'm
thrilled:-)<--- i refuse to deal with any reality but my own :-)
peace + posts ( grapenuts ) kim ( the goddess ... *not* ):-)
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
<just kim>rcn@prcn.org
"pain from pearls-hey little girl-
how much have you grown?"
---------------amy ray------------------
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>

dang, you're good!
i'm sad that i'm too new to be emotionally affected by the subject of
grapenuts on this list.  however, i still have a fondness for them.  i once
was addicted to them to the point where i bought the costco sized box and
ate them every day (in a cereal bowl).  soon i learned (the hard way) that
an actual serving is the size of what is in that big spoon on the front of
the box.  my portion would have fed a family of eight!  don't try this at
home.  eating these also cuts down on breakfast table conversation because
you can't here over your own chewing.  reminds me of the snl quarry cereal
commercial.

betsy

>not only do i eat grapenuts, i read the posts with grapenuts in the subject
>line first!!
>
>--reggi
>*********************
>usa women's soccer #1
>*********************
>
>--
>administrative requests should not be sent to the list!
>to unsubscribe, send email to listserv@netspace.org
> with the line: signoff indigo-girls

hey list,
sometimes i wonder why there is such a distinction between
"getting high" and "drinking until you puke up your spleen." maybe
it's a social thing for the girls (assuming they do smoke) or maybe
it's a way to relax and escape from reality a bit. why does it have
to be such a big deal? so many artists drink like fish with no purpose
other than enjoying themselves.wasn't amy the "princess of beer" in
a past life? why should this be any different? i don't think it
has to do with lyrics or empathy for native americans. it's just a
couple of girls hanging out on dead man's hill, laughing about
nothing.

jody

"lenny kravitz thinks he's jimi bloody hendrix. who dies in their own
vomit these days!?" jennifer saunders

the faq that was posted to the list contains my email and snail mail
addresses in association with the newsletter lifeblood. i stopped
publication last december and am out of back issues, so please do not
contact me regarding the newsletter.

we have a web site at:
http://www.hidwater.com/lifeblood

if you have an old copy of the faq please delete my address so it does not
get posted again, it generates an incredible volume of mail.

thanks

carolyn

hey all,
i have tickets to an ani show at highland highschool (i think
that's in salt lake but i'm not sure, really) on oct. 22.
just wondered if any fellow listees will be there and want to hang
out. i'll make my friend sarah wear her shirt......

jody

on wed, 18 sep 1996, amy l.steinhilber wrote:

> c) is it true that the ig are recording a new song called "life is just a
> bowl of grapenuts"?

hi, y'all! i just wanted to let you know that we are going to record
a song about grapenuts, but not the one titled here. amy noticed
that y'all really liked to talk about grape nuts, and she recently
wrote an epic about the great grape nut debate of 1996.

emily

*this is a joke. please, i don't have time to be flamed these days.

:) anna

"this is a banjo...and i'm gonna learn how to play it." -emily saliers

hey everybody

i don't know if this question had been answered.  but like last week people
were discussing where they thought the new album was being recorded and
possible producers.  well the secretary at russell carter's office said today
that they are recording in austin after they play the two honor the earth
shows this weekend.  sorry if that was already posted.

peace
sasha

--
administrative requests should not be sent to the list!
to unsubscribe, send email to listserv@netspace.org
        with the line: signoff indigo-girls
=========================================================================
date:         thu, 19 sep 1996 15:33:20 -0700
reply-to:     gwendigo <gkeyt@paul.spu.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         gwendigo <gkeyt@paul.spu.edu>
subject:      re: nigc (danielle howle)- snubbed by a goddess
x-to:         tracy - home home home home <clumber@smtp.prostar.com>
in-reply-to:  <2.2.32.19960919065019.00693158@mail.prostar.com>

let's pack the place at sit and spin! it'll be a ball!

on thu, 19 sep 1996, tracy - home home home home wrote:

> sundara tapped:
> >hey,  is anyone going to any of these shows?  carolyn?  binky?  gwen?
> >anyone?  wanna meet up?
>
>         so i take it that *i* am not anyone??? having posted (in the very
> note you quoted.. sniff sniff...) that me and my non-imaginery one are going
> possibly to all four?  <insert loud melodramatic pouting> first the rosebud
> and now....  <tracy begins singing "nobody likes me, everybody hates me, i'm
> gonna' eat some worms..."> lol.
>         yes we are going at least to the oly one.. possibly all four... to
> the best of my knowledge yes we'd love to meet up... k?
>         contact me if ya' wanna try to arrange a pack-the-place type party!
>
> tracy <hoping that the green-lurker will assist me in making sundara feel
> really awkward and guilty!>  <lol!!>
> "it's my job to exaggerate"
>                 -- rosie o'donnell
>
> --
> administrative requests should not be sent to the list!
> to unsubscribe, send email to listserv@netspace.org
>         with the line: signoff indigo-girls
>

hiya everyone
    well, part of my job requires me hunting through old copies of the state
news (msu's student newspaper).  and today, instead of loking for what i was
supposed to be looking for (nothing new) i was reading old editorials.  one of
the editorialists from 1993 (who always cracked me up when he was around) wrote
the folling article.  the gist of the story is "self-affirmation" and the
unloading of emotional baggage.  here's where it gets interesting...

    "first off- and this is very difficult to admit, i'm sure to shock and
anger thousands- i only pretended to like the indigo girls.
    not that i violently dislike them or anything, but it seems like every
female friend i've had since high school has been way into this band.  despite
the fact that i don't own any of their albums, i know every one of their songs
since i'm force-fed them all the time.  i'm sorry, but i just don't think
they're all that hot.  furthermore, i think their cover of "romeo and juliet"
sucks.  there, i've said it, i'm not ashamed."

and to think i used to *like* glenn mcdonald's work. (heehee)
well, thought y'all might get a kick out of that.
cari

--
@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
mashed up and messed up, just
like everything else i own.
@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

--
administrative requests should not be sent to the list!
to unsubscribe, send email to listserv@netspace.org
        with the line: signoff indigo-girls
=========================================================================
date:         thu, 19 sep 1996 15:21:24 -0400
reply-to:     "kristin sybesma (by way of kellie deis <kdeis@kent.edu>)"
              <krstnsyb@dordt.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "kristin sybesma (by way of kellie deis <kdeis@kent.edu>)"
              <krstnsyb@dordt.edu>
subject:      secure yourself

--
administrative requests should not be sent to the list!
to unsubscribe, send email to listserv@netspace.org
with the line: signoff indigo-girls

well, i have always thought that secure yourself had very christian lyrics
which kind of suprises me but what do i know...but yes, i think it definetly
could be interpereted that way. kel

--
administrative requests should not be sent to the list!
to unsubscribe, send email to listserv@netspace.org
        with the line: signoff indigo-girls
=========================================================================
date:         thu, 19 sep 1996 19:44:45 -0500
reply-to:     tuesday's child <dc3545@cnsvax.albany.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         tuesday's child <dc3545@cnsvax.albany.edu>
subject:      re: is it live or is it memorex? (sp?)
x-to:         ralph ryan <sgmpaws@cfanet.com>
in-reply-to:  <323e4fc1.6e66@cfanet.com>

on tue, 17 sep 1996, ralph ryan wrote:

> have you ever just had one of their songs move in to your head and take up
> residence?
>
> ralphael

oh my god yes!!!   for two weeks solid, i woke up with mystery running
through my head.  i couldn't remember what i had been dreaming about and
couldn't figure out if the song was related in any way.  it drove me nuts!

btw, one of my personal favorites on 1200c is this train revised. not
only do i absolutely love the jacob's ladder intro for it's erie
(sp?) beauty, but the part in the song where she sings "pull out the teeth"
and mutters under her breath "did'ya get 'em all?" gives me chills.
as for the rest i think i'll have to give a listening comparison. oh,
the torture!

ta ta for now!

tuesday's child

p.s.  just got sweet relief ii last night and am loving it!!  i listened
to it 3 times in a row at work today.  listened to free of hope at least
6 times.  powerful stuff!!

p.p.s. heard blood quantum on the radio this past wkend! i was so
excited i almost got in a car accident (was driving at the time)! can't
wait to get my hands on the cd!

p.p.p.s. i'm done, silly! stop reading! ;)

--
administrative requests should not be sent to the list!
to unsubscribe, send email to listserv@netspace.org
        with the line: signoff indigo-girls
=========================================================================
date:         thu, 19 sep 1996 15:44:10 -0700
reply-to:     "jessica owen (general)" <a-jessio@microsoft.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "jessica owen (general)" <a-jessio@microsoft.com>
subject:      re: nigc (danielle howle)- snubbed by a goddess
x-to:         gwendigo <gkeyt@paul.spu.edu>

sit and spin! cool then we can play board games while we listen.
cool....hey and what about me...i am in seattle tooo...sniff sniff....

-jessi

>----------
>from:  gwendigo[smtp:gkeyt@paul.spu.edu]
>sent:  thursday, september 19, 1996 3:33 pm
>to:    multiple recipients of list indigo-girls
>subject:       re: nigc (danielle howle)- snubbed by a goddess
>
>let's pack the place at sit and spin!  it'll be a ball!
>
>on thu, 19 sep 1996, tracy - home home home home wrote:
>
>> sundara tapped:
>> >hey,  is anyone going to any of these shows?  carolyn?  binky?  gwen?
>> >anyone?  wanna meet up?
>>
>>         so i take it that *i* am not anyone??? having posted (in the very
>> note you quoted.. sniff sniff...) that me and my non-imaginery one are
>>going
>> possibly to all four?  <insert loud melodramatic pouting> first the rosebud
>> and now....  <tracy begins singing "nobody likes me, everybody hates me,
>>i'm
>> gonna' eat some worms..."> lol.
>>         yes we are going at least to the oly one.. possibly all four... to
>> the best of my knowledge yes we'd love to meet up... k?
>>         contact me if ya' wanna try to arrange a pack-the-place type party!
>>
>> tracy <hoping that the green-lurker will assist me in making sundara feel
>> really awkward and guilty!>  <lol!!>
>> "it's my job to exaggerate"
>>                 -- rosie o'donnell
>>
>> --
>> administrative requests should not be sent to the list!
>> to unsubscribe, send email to listserv@netspace.org
>>         with the line: signoff indigo-girls
>>
>
>--
>administrative requests should not be sent to the list!
>to unsubscribe, send email to listserv@netspace.org
>        with the line: signoff indigo-girls
>

>n wed, 18 sep 1996, amy l.steinhilber wrote:
>
>> c)  is it true that the ig are recording a new song called "life is just a
>> bowl of grapenuts"?
>
>hi, y'all!  i just wanted to let you know that we are going to record
>a song about grapenuts, but not the one titled here.  amy noticed
>that y'all really liked to talk about grape nuts, and she recently
>wrote an epic about the great grape nut debate of 1996.
>
>emily
>
>

uh, could you please send me the lyrics to the grape nut debate song??
thanks, em.

-reggi
*********************
usa women's soccer #1
*********************

hi all!  apparently in my absence a couple of new boots have been
started.  could someone fill me in on what's being circulated and how i
can get them?  thanks!

tuesday's child

hey fellow listees!
i love ig very much (uh, that's why im on the list?)
:)
however, i have yet to hear any of their old (pre-epic) releases...
is anyone willing to tape me some of their early stuff?
i don't have (hardly) anything to trade...so this will be a charity event...
please email me privatly...
thanx!
-moe(simone)
------"fame is a fickle food..."
-emily dickinson------

hello everybody...

wow! so many great responses to my question! i've read all of them and each
one is different- yet most of them share a common experience.

it seems that for many of you, listening to the ig can only be done if they
are the only stimulus.  you concentrate so intently on the music and lyrics
that you can't be productive with any other task.  some of you can only
listen to them as background music if the task doesn't require much
cognition, like driving or doing housework.  forget about homework or
studying- these will lose the battle to the music everytime, for most of you.

this is really interesting to me, cause it says a lot about their music. it
really does require so much cognitive activity in our little heads that it
interferes a lot with other cognitive tasks. a few of you mentioned other
musical artists who have the same effect, but not as much as the ig.

thanks so much to everyone who emailed me- you should have gotten a little
note from me and if you didn't then you have my permission to beat me over
the head with your choice of cooked pasta (i prefer fusilli, though).

how cool is it that i can ponder the effects of the ig's music and call it
research for school! : )

so when i'm a big-time audiologist and have lots of money for research, i'll
fly everyone in to see me in my laboratory <in creepy vincent price voice>
and i will perform experiments....; )

everybody sing! ....we're pinky and the brain,
yes, pinky and the brain,
one is a genius, the other's insane
we're laboratory mice,
our genes have been spliced,
we're pinky, pinky and the brain, brain, brain, brain.....

ok, i'm losing my mind....

-sheri : )

\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\

president clinton has been taking too much advice from his advisors on
the subject of doma. he needs to know that we will not sit back and
allow him to score election-year points by denying basic rights to
lesbian or gay americans.

this is an experiment in using the net for grass roots politics. your
voice will make a difference. to participate in this experiment:

1. e-mail this message, exactly as it is, complete with this introduction
to at least five of your friends. add it to any mailing lists you are
on. please, distribute as widely as you can.

2. copy the message below the line, without this introduction, to a new
e-mail message, and refine it if you wish.

3. address that new message to: president@whitehouse.gov

4. fill in your name, street address and the date in the appropriate
places top and bottom. the white house tosses e-messages with no
street address.

5. in the subject line, write veto doma

6. hit the send button and your copy of message will be on its way to
the white house.

if you follow all of these directions the president could receive a few
hundred thousand messages titled veto doma. it would be too much to
ignore.

we can and will make a difference in 1996!

_____________________________________________________

your name
your street address
your city, your state your zip code

today's date

president bill clinton
the white house
1600 pennsylvania avenue
washington, dc

dear mr. president:

republicans in congress, with the help of many democrats, are presenting
you with the so called defense of marriage act, or doma. they created the
bill from ignorance, from hatred for gay americans and out of the desire
to embarrass you in an election year. you helped its progress when, to
make yourself look good in a election year, you announced early that you
would sign it. now, you must change your mind and do the right thing.

veto doma!

we will not allow you to make political gains by creating pain for gay,
lesbian and bisexual americans.

doma is a dangerous threat to the civil liberties of gay americans and to
the constitution itself. as jim crow laws once did to african americans
in the south, doma would use the mighty power of the federal government
to deny to one class of citizens, gay americans, such things as income tax
benefits, pensions, social security survivor benefits, access to partners
in federal hospitals, and immigration rights.

doma would create for the first time under federal law two classes of
citizenship with different rights. this divisive law contradicts one
of our most important constitutional principles, equal protection under
the law for all americans.

you must do the right thing, mr. president -- speak out against the hatred,
eschew the politics of division and rise above the political expedience.

do the right thing for your country and its citizens. veto doma. use the
power of your veto pen to bring us together, instead of your signature to
divide our nation by creating a new federally-ordered injustice.

sincerely,

your name

hey everyone,

i'm making a concerted effort to stick my head up out of my little
lurkhole here... :)

shanna wrote:
> i'm new to the list...and i'm attempting to d/l the faq using the url in
> the welcome letter i got. however i keep getting a 404 error. if anyone can
> help me to find the faq i'd appreciate it!

regarding the faq - i think it's definitely time to update it, no?  i'd
be willing to do most of the work and co-ordinate the project, if i can
have a few volunteers to help... let me know, folks.  (chris becker,
could you re-mail me a copy of the version you have?  sorry, i hit the
del key before i realised what it was...)

sherlyn

ps - sunny - got your mail last week just before my 'puter died, thanks.
let me know regarding the video when you know more...
pps - anyone else who mailed me last week who i didn't mail back, sorry!
i *promise* i'll write you soon's i get my files back the way they were.

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- sherlyn koo - sherlyn@fl.net.au -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
"i had dreams like distant thunder, i had hope like a prayer unheard.
now this is nothing less than perfect, in a less than perfect world..."
- patty larkin
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

on thu, 19 sep 1996, reggi wrote:

> uh, could you please send me the lyrics to the grape nut debate song??
> thanks, em.

hi, reggi! sorry, i would like to send you the lyrics, but amy would
be very upset with me. :)

* note, this is another joke. :) anna

"this is a banjo...and i'm gonna learn how to play it." -emily saliers

hi folks!

just wanted to add to tamara's remarks about the new shawn colvin album coming
out.  the aaa station here in nashville ("lightning 100") has been playing a
song called "get out of this house" from the new album for the last week or so.
man, is it awesome!!!!  it's a real roots rocker!  lots of great harmonies in
the song (courtesy of shawn herself) and it's almost tom petty-esque (for lack
of a better comparison...that's just the first thing that came to mind...probably
cause of the way she sings it).  anyway, this song is awesome and if it's any
indication, this album should be awesome as well.

peace and new albums,

joan :)

        hi y'all...tamara asked for the lyrics to winthrop...so here's my
best attempt at it...
        when we get back to winthrop
        a few miles from the airport
        in a plastic chair on a deck where my friends live
        i watch the taking off airplanes
        i watch the ocean waves crashing
        and with all of this movement something's got to give

        down at the high tide
        passed down through the family
        the fishermen gather to complain about the catch
        they talk about time
        they talk about tides
        the pull of the moon and the coffee deep black night
        i listen to them, i listen to you
        and for everyone there is someone never coming back

        but for all that we've been through
        for all that we've promised
        your wayward direction seems insensible
        words fall off like friendless fish
        all flopping and scattered
        and hearts picked over deemed dispensible

        down at the high tide
        we're there for our last meal
        the broken bread (loaves are) is still enough for all
        we talk about time
        and we talk about tides
        (under the) the pull of the moon and the deep black coffee night
        i hear the dim roar of the last flight out
        and for someone there is someone never coming back

        we talk about time
        and we talk about tides
        (under the) the pull of the moon and the deep black coffee night

i hear the dim roar of the last flight out
and for someone there is someone never coming back

well, i'm fairly sure i got all the words...the lyrics in the
parethesis are from the philly show...i don't have the bumbershoot boot yet
so i don't know yet what she decided on, but i like the nff version and
isn't "deep black coffee night" an amazing way to use words???
does anyone have any changes???

peace jen

hi y'all...it's me again...i have a lot of energy tonight i
guess...that and i had a rather long day on the road to listen to the new
songs and memorize the lyrics...so for anyone who's interested, here's my
attempt at the soy lyrics...

        my friends they wash the windows
        and they shine in the sun
        they say wake up early in the morning sometime
        and see what a beautiful job we've done

        i said let's put on some tunes
        sing-a-long and do a little all day
        go down to the riverside, take off our clothes
        and wash these sins away

        and the river said, la la la, it said
        shame on you
        and the river said, la la la, it said
        shame on you

        i go down to chicano city park
        cause it makes me feel so fine
        and when the weeds go down
        you can see up close
        in the dead of the wintertime

        oh, when the summer comes everything's in bloom
        and you wouldn't know it's there
        and the white folks would like to pretend it's not
        but their music's in the air

        you can hear them saying, la, la, la, they said
        shame on you
        you can feel them dancing, la, la, la, they said
        shame on you

        my friend tara she says, you know, me and jesus
        we're of the same heart
        the only thing that keeps us distant
        is that i keep fucking up

        i said come on down to chicano city park
        wash your blues away
        and when the beautiful ladies walk right by
        you know i never know what to say

        and now they're singing, ooh la, la, la...
        shame on you
        and now we're dancing, ooh la, la, la...they said
        shame on you
        shame on you

        we're out tripping in the middle of the night
        up in gainesville town
        there'll be blue lights flashing down a long dirt road
        they ask me to step out

        they said we've been looking for illegal immigrants
        can we check your car
        i said you know it's funny
        i think you were on the same boat back in 1694

        and i said, ooh, la, la, la...
        shame on you
        and i said, ooh, la, la, la...
        shame on you...
        shame on you

well, this is my take on shame on you...and i still cannot get
enough of this song...any corrections? i'm sure i have a mr limes in there
somewhere!!

peace jen

hi y'all...i second sherlyn's opinion about updating the faq info
and volunteer my time to help out in any way...let me know what's happening!!

peace jen

ok, while i"m on the musical soapbox here, i must recommend a very special
cd.  it's by an ultra-hip neo-bluegrass guy named tim o'brien.  he recently
put out a cd titled "red on blonde" (he's a redhead), which is a collection
of bob dylan tunes, done with a bluegrass treatment.  i bought this cd in
july and i absolutely love it.  there's a pretty cool version of subterranean
homesick blues on the cd, but imho, the most awesome and interesting tracks
are "wicked messenger,"  "tombstone blues,"  "father of night," "senor (tales
of yankee power)," and "masters of war."  other songs on the cd include
"farewell angelina," "everything is broken," "man gave names to all the
animals," "oxford town,"  "maggie's farm," "forever young," and "lay
down your weary tune."  even if you don't like bluegrass, but are musically
openminded - i *strongly* recommend buying this cd (or at least giving it
a listen at your local blockbuster or tower or whatever)!

peace and great music,

joan :)

--
administrative requests should not be sent to the list!
to unsubscribe, send email to listserv@netspace.org
        with the line: signoff indigo-girls
=========================================================================
date:         thu, 19 sep 1996 23:13:19 -0400
reply-to:     problem child <warra5c0@numen.elon.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         problem child <warra5c0@numen.elon.edu>
subject:      re: shame on you lyrics
x-to:         jen lucero <jlucero@monmouth.com>
in-reply-to:  <199609200301.xaa24976@shell.monmouth.com>

"we were out tripping in the middle of the night"

yikes!  i hope this isn't another drug reference!  amy can't go the way
of too many other artists...  but i guess it could also  be like the
"tripping in those yellow feet" in hmd...  or maybe they're both about
acid.... aauuuggghhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

halfway kidding,
mandy

hi again...i just read mandy's post, and i agree...i listened to a
few different versions of that section and the nff sounds like
"road-tripping" so maybe amy just decided to shorten it a bit...anybody else
hear something i didn't? (i also heard road-block tripping at one point,
but like i said; i had a long day in the car today!!)

jen

hello all!

first the igc:
ok, the melissa etheridge list is able to purchase tickets to her shows
before they go on sale to the general public.... so, does anyone know how
get could get the same rockin' experience with the girls? i would be
willing to start or help set it up if there are suggestions!

second:
i was listening to "listener supported radio" in good ol' rottenchester,
new yuck yesterday and heard a song by dar williams.... i think it was
called "i am cool" or something along those lines... and it had the line
in it "i will not be afraid of women".

so, does anyone have any thoughts on her? (i think she sounds like a
cross between ani difranco meets the girls meets pop music), but very cool
indeed! what albums does she have out? what is the actual name of the
song i am trying to describe (and what album can i find it on?), and does
this song represent her over-all style?... what would it be if it doesn't?

third:
are there any listees here in rochester? near here? (i have spoken to one
or two in/near buffalo). shall we start a letter campaign to try and get
the girls to come here "more often".

that's all folks!
ttfn!
elaine r.

<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>

hi...me again...i seem to just be chock full of unfocused energy
tonight!! and unfortunately, this list gets my extra attention...so, while
i'm in the mood, here's my take on emily's song (and thanks to wendell for
clearing up a couple of things for me earlier...)

        the saddest sight my eyes can see
        that big ball of orange sinking slyly down the trees
        sittin' in a broken circle while you rest upon my knee
        this perfect moment soon be leaving me

        suzanne calls from boston, the coffee's hot, the corn is high
        that same sun that warms your heart, will suck that good earth dry
        with everything its opposite enough to keep you cryin'
        or keep this whole world spinning with a twinkle in it's eye

        and get out the map, get out the map and lay your finger anywhere down
        we'll leave the figurin' to those we pass on our way outta town
        don't drink the water, there seems to be somethin' ailing everyone
        and i'm gonna clear my head, i'm gonna drink that sun
        i'm gonna love you good and strong while our love is good and young

        joni left for south africa a few years ago
        and then beth took a job all the way over on the west coast
        and me, i'm still trying to live half a life on the road
        heavier by the year
        heavier by the load

        why do we hurtle ourselves through every inch of time and space
        i must say around some corner i can sense a resting place
        with every lesson learned, a line upon your beautiful face
        and we'll amuse ourselves one day with these memories we'll trace

        and get out the map, get out the map and lay your finger anywhere down
        we'll leave the figurin' to those we pass on our way outta town
        don't drink the water, there seems to be somethin' ailing everyone
        i'm gonna clear my head, i'm gonna drink that sun
        i'm gonna love you good and strong while our love is good and young

i'm gonna clear my head, i'm gonna drink that sun
i'm gonna love you good and strong while our love is good and young

well there it is...if we're all lucky i'll fall asleep before i can
transcribe another song...but i don't know...i have had a lot of coffee
today...anyway, someone mentioned that on this song it sounds like emily is
saying "git out the map..." and i have to agree; it soes sound like
git...but then it's still spelled the same way it's just open for
experimentation!!

peace and hopefully good-night!!!

jen

--
administrative requests should not be sent to the list!
to unsubscribe, send email to listserv@netspace.org
        with the line: signoff indigo-girls
=========================================================================
date:         thu, 19 sep 1996 23:49:30 -0500
reply-to:     jennifer stevens <z956399@oats.farm.niu.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         jennifer stevens <z956399@oats.farm.niu.edu>
subject:      re: shame on you lyrics
x-to:         problem child <warra5c0@numen.elon.edu>
in-reply-to:  <pine.hpp.3.91.960919231102.5188c-100000@numen.elon.edu>

> "we were out tripping in the middle of the night"
>
> yikes!  i hope this isn't another drug reference!  amy can't go the way
> of too many other artists...  but i guess it could also  be like the
> "tripping in those yellow feet" in hmd...  or maybe they're both about
> acid.... aauuuggghhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

actually, i think i heard somewhere (this list, perhaps?) that "tripping
in our yellow feet" is a reference to a slumber party and she was wearing
yellow socks and she tripped and fell .... someone correct me if i'm
wrong, please ...... jenn :)

>
> halfway kidding,
> mandy
>
> --
> administrative requests should not be sent to the list!
> to unsubscribe, send email to listserv@netspace.org
> with the line: signoff indigo-girls
>

========= # ======== # ======== # ========

when you're learning to face
the path at your pace
every choice is worth your while ...

-emily saliers
========= # ======== # ======== # ========

hey!

mary kushman wrote:

>the other day a friend gave me a copy of the 6/28/94 nyc show that ig did
>and it was titled "days of wine and roses". but i have also heard that this
>show is titled "nothing to hide"? which one is it?

both.

dowar and nth are the same show.

nth has fugitive, the wood song, chickenman, touch me fall (dowar is missing these)
dowar has power of two, center stage, kid fears, galileo (nth is missing these)

the rest of the songs are the same on both discs (and i don't have
it right in front of me, so i can't tell you right off the top of
my head).

hope this helps!

ann

--
what a waste it is to lose one's mind or not to have a mind at
all is being very wasteful.
-dan quayle

hi...i'm still awake and listening to amy's dark thoughts...any
input on the meaning of the song...my ears may be working to write down the
words, but not to interpret the meaning...i have some ideas, but i am
interested in hearing some of yours...

        she's got a case against me
        a jury of my peers
        battling the rage of the righteous
        screaming in the ear
        i'm not dignified in war
        can't say i didn't fall

>hey list,
>    sometimes i wonder why there is such a distinction between
>"getting high" and "drinking until you puke up your spleen." maybe
>it's a social thing for the girls (assuming they do smoke) or maybe
>it's a way to relax and escape from reality a bit. why does it have
>to be such a big deal? so many artists drink like fish with no purpose
>other than enjoying themselves.wasn't amy the "princess of beer" in
>a past life?  why should this be any different?  i don't think it
>has to do with lyrics or empathy for native americans. it's just a
>couple of girls hanging out on dead man's hill, laughing about
>nothing.
>
>jody
>
>"lenny kravitz thinks he's jimi bloody hendrix. who dies in their own
>vomit these days!?"  jennifer saunders

perhaps it's not a big deal, but, i will add my  2 cents on my strong
reaction to the rumor that they get high.  first, drugs are dirty, even pot.
i know alot of people see pot as a recreational drug that is no worse than
alcohol which society finds socially acceptable.  however, the distinction
that i will draw between the "harmless" joint, and beer, is that pot kills
brain cells, destroys your lungs, and could impair you to the point where
you do stupid stunts you normally wouldn't do and risk injuring yourself.
there are conclusive scientific reports on this, and i hate to think that
ig, who are so intelligent and talented, could do something which seeks to
destroy the vehicle of their art (their brains & health).  also, alcohol
consumption is fine, but i would be concerned if they "drank like fish"
regularly, because that could indicate a drinking problem which could
destroy their health as well.  don't we all want ig around and touring for
years to come?  hard to do if you've got cirrhosis!  i'm all for having a
good time, but i think that it can be achieved without chemical
intervention.  just my opinion...no judgment passed on anyone who disagrees.
(am i gonna get flamed for this?!?)

if the rumor is true, then all it goes to say is that our image of people
can differ greatly from who they really are. i still love their music
regardless of what they do for recreation or whatever, but, if the rumor is
proven to be a fact, it would make me think differently of them...not hate
them or anything, just different. they seem so wholesome and pure from
their lyrics...it just surprised me to hear that they smoke, cigarettes or
anthing else.

just my 2 cents,
-martha

i just realized who y'all have been reminding me of: my favorite movie!
allow me to quote:

wonderful knight in shining armor: she's not shalene. <hands back
magazine>

wkisa: come on guys, <taps head> think about it. do you *honestly*
believe that a playboy centerfold would have nothing better to do
on a friday night than go to a kappa party with a bunch of kids?

sff #1: yeah...

sff #2: maybe...

wkisa: where's your brain?
**************
so there you have it...the reason why greg is not amy...do we honestly
believe she is as lifeless as the rest of us... :)

it must be a chicago thing, since that's where greg is, and that's where
chris was in the movie too.

on to shawn mullins: saw him perform in l.a., there were like ten people
there; there was something about this surreally quasi-elegant place mixed
with his backwards baseball cap...weird. top 4 reasons he was cool:

1. salt lake city 1973
2. he took the time to mention phoenix. (wahoo)
3. he has a song about and called pandora.
4. he ripped on o.j. yes!!!!! he said he hadn't been to l.a. since before
the o.j. thing and he wanted to stay away, but even that didn't work. it
was so awesome.

so don't be throwing stones,
linda

        **they're just fanatics acting fanatically. they give
          bona-fide paranoids like myself a bad name...**
                                        --mulder

the ever-helpful jen lucero posted as part of the soy lyrics:

> we're out tripping in the middle of the night
>        up in gainesville town
>        there'll be blue lights flashing down a long dirt road
>        they ask me to step out

whu'?!? are you positive this section does not begin "
"let's go roll some chickens in the middle of the night..." ?? hmmm...
perhaps that is just the line amy used in the new orleans show... cuz' i
have been totally unable to hear any words other than chicken in my copy....

dang.

tracy <who is now much less confused and no longer looking for feathers
floating around amy>

"it's my job to exaggerate"
-- rosie o'donnell

ok. i think i read it on this list that ig are going to be recording their
new album here in austin, tx. is this true?!? anyone? i'm off to class now
(yuck)...

later daze,
margot

in the past, i have written off "jonas and ezekial" as another wierd
amy song, but the meaning of the song has bothered me. mostly
because i can't make a connection between what she is saying and what
she is trying to get us to understand.

jonas and ezekial were two prophets in the old testament (or hebrew
bible).  jonas was called by god to deliver a message, but he ran
away from this.  after spending some time in a dark, damp place, he
reconsidered and answered the call.  ezekial was called by god to
bring his word to his people durring one of the worst times of
captivity.  he had odd ways of doing so, but they were drastic
actions to get the people's attention.

now, what do these two biblical men have to do with amy's song about
leaving her anger in a river and searching for native lands and not
being ready to see ghosts?

anna

"this is a banjo...and i'm gonna learn how to play it." -emily saliers

hi! i posted this information, which, it turns out, was partially incorrect.
a friend sent it to me, and i am not sure where she got it. i'll be more
careful before posting anything like this again, but the part that is true is
still sort of scary.

lizzie

"the new phonebooks are here! the new phone books are here!"
steve martin
----------

here's something i pulled from http://www.netlds.com/ptrak.html about lexis-
nexis' p-trak system. note the email address at the end for removing your
personal information.

statement from lexis-nexis 9/18/96

incorrect information is being distributed on internet newsgroups  regarding
the data displayed in lexis-nexis' p-trak file. p-trak is like  an
electronic "white pages." the only information displayed is the name  of the
individual, current address and up to two previous addresses and  telephone
number. in some cases, the individual's maiden name may appear  and as well
as the month and year of birth. that is the only information  displayed in
the p-trak file.

contrary to some messages that have been posted to some internet  discussion
and news groups, the p-trak file does not contain any credit  histories,
bank account information, personal financial data, mother's  maiden name or
medical histories. this misinformation has been posted  over and over again
to various news groups.

an example of a record appears below:

name: doe, john e
current address: 1066 anywhere drive, dayton, oh 95454
previous address: 106 somewhere drive, dayton, oh 92454
birthdate: 9/1965
telephone number: 555-1212
on file since: 6/1/1994

the information displayed in the p-trak file is the type of information
readily available from public information sources such as telephone
directories (in print and cd-rom format) and public records maintained by
government agencies.

lexis-nexis markets the p-trak file to the legal community for use by
general legal practitioners, litigators and public attorneys, as well as
law enforcement agencies and police departments. these professionals use
the p-trak file to assist in locating litigants, witnesses, shareholders,
debtors, heirs and beneficiaries.

lexis-nexis is aware of the sensitivities regarding the potential misuse  of
information. business competitors of lexis-nexis have for some time  made
social security numbers available to users of their services. in  addition,
social security numbers and other information are available on  the internet
from a number of sources. despite this wide availability of  social security
numbers in the market place, lexis-nexis discontinued  the display of social
security numbers in the p-trak file as of june 11,  1996, eleven days after
the product was introduced.

through its actions, lexis-nexis is balancing the privacy concerns of the
public with the legitimate needs of legal, business and government
professionals for access to accurate sources of publicly available
information. by discontinuing the display of social security numbers in p-
trak and only providing information that is already available to the public
from other sources, lexis-nexis believes it has responsibly met the
expressed concerns of the public.

individuals interested in having their names removed from the p-trak file
can e-mail their full name and complete address to:

p-trak@prod.lexis-nexis.com

or mail this information to

attn: p-trak
p.o. box 933, dayton, oh 45401.

------------------------------------------------------------
david reed consultant/trainer
dreed@segue.com segue software

good judgment comes from experience;
experience comes from bad judgment.

------- forward, end of original message -------

hi...i apologize for the incomplete don't give that girl a
gunpost...my computer is getting cranky at being up so late...i'm in the
middle of finishing the post, please disregard the previous one!!!
thanks jen

ps...the complete version is on it's way!!!

hi...sorry about the touchy computer thing...she is up past her
bedtime...but my questions are still valid, and please ignore the lyrics i
had typed in...not quite ready to send when they went out!!!
here goes...please correct them...

        she's got a case against me
        a jury of my peers
        outrage of the righteous
        screaming in her ears
        i'm not dignified anymore
        can't say i didn't call
        when i say i love you
        she don't hear me anymore

        and don't give that girl a gun
        i said don't give that girl a gun
        she's already won, she's already won

        i made a bad connection
        she says i went astray
        jumped ship, abandoned my post
        i didn't think i lost my way

        oh how the mighty fall
        and i saw her crack a smile
        don't got a chance for redemption
        she don't believe in the miracle mile

        and don't give that girl a gun
        i said now don't give that girl a gun
        she's already won, she's already won

        i said hold me closer
        cause something's happening
        why can't we come together
        she said i doubt we ever will, ever will again

        i said don't give that girl a gun
        i said now don't give that girl a gun
        she's already won, she's already won

        i said now don't give that girl a gun
        i said now don't give that girl a gun
        she's already won, she's already won

well...this is it for me tonight, or rather tomorrow morning if my
server won't put it through tonight (this morning...) good night, morning
everyone.... peace jen

            hi y'all...just wanted to add a little something about the soy
lyrics i heard (thought i heard, might have heard...) tara is probably
tanner...i didn't think it was tara but i was trying to make the name make
more sense...i should have known better!!!  also "tripping through the
middle of the night" has nothing to do with drugs!!!  i don't want to start
another discussion...on the boots, it sounds like it evolves from
road-tripping, or raod-block tipping to tripping...kind a neat way of saying
a long drive in the dark night!!
        anyway...i think this does it for me...i have to get to work so i
can get paid, so i can continue paying for the cranky computer...you get the
point..
        have a great day everyone!!!
                peace   jen

ps it took me eight minutes to log on....this after, my connection
mysteriosly disconnected!!! aaarghh

>i know alot of people see pot as a recreational drug that is no worse than
>alcohol which society finds socially acceptable. however, the distinction
>that i will draw between the "harmless" joint, and beer, is that pot kills
>brain cells, destroys your lungs, and could impair you to the point where
>you do stupid stunts you normally wouldn't do and risk injuring yourself.

do you think that alcohol doesn't kill brain cells ?? compared to pot
alcohol is much , much worse . do you know how many alcohol related deaths
occur each year ? well i don't , but i'm sure it in the hundred thousand
range . and how many are related to cannabis ? last time i checked it was
zero . of course neither substance is of any need to your body . i also read
somewhere in i think high times that thc doesn't actually 'kill' brain cells
, rather alters certain receptors temporarily . of course they may be
biased. well as the great sir francis zappa said 'smoke your little smoke,
drink your little drink , while i dance the night away ' (dancing fool)
but take his advice lightly , he died of cancer...:-(
leprechaun sd

at 11:01 pm 9/19/96 -0400, jen lucero <jlucero@monmouth.com> wrote:
>        your wayward direction seems insensible
>        words fall off like friendless fish
>        all flopping and scattered

i think sherlyn can back me up on this one.  it's actually 'breathless
fish', which goes along with the 'flopping' part.  pretty bizarre imagery, i
must say.  :-)

whatever,

:dwayne

at 02:19 am 9/20/96 -0400, mhom@uakron.edu wrote:
>however, the distinction
>that i will draw between the "harmless" joint, and beer, is that pot kills
>brain cells, destroys your lungs, and could impair you to the point where
>you do stupid stunts you normally wouldn't do and risk injuring yourself.

whoa, nelly!! don't you realize that the same can be said for beer?  it does
all these things, except you should replace 'lungs' with 'liver'.  all drugs
can be bad.  moderation is good.

whatever,

:dwayne

in a message dated 96-09-20 00:05:44 edt, you write:

>jen lucero <jlucero@monmouth.com>
>subject: winthrop lyrics
>
>        hi y'all...tamara asked for the lyrics to winthrop...so here's my
>best attempt at it...
>        when we get back to winthrop
>        a few miles from the airport
>        in a plastic chair on a deck where my friends live
>        i watch the taking off airplanes
>        i watch the ocean waves crashing
>        and with all of this movement something's got to give
>
>        down at the high tide
>        passed down through the family
>        the fishermen gather to complain about the catch
>        they talk about time
>        they talk about tides
>        the pull of the moon and the coffee deep black night
>        i listen to them, i listen to you
>        and for everyone there is someone never coming back
>
>        but for all that we've been through
>        for all that we've promised
>        your wayward direction seems insensible
>        words fall off like friendless fish
>        all flopping and scattered
>        and hearts picked over deemed dispensible
>
>        down at the high tide
>        we're there for our last meal
>        the broken bread (loaves are) is still enough for all
>        we talk about time
>        and we talk about tides
>        (under the) the pull of the moon and the deep black coffee night
>        i hear the dim roar of the last flight out
>        and for someone there is someone never coming back
>
>        we talk about time
>        and we talk about tides
>        (under the) the pull of the moon and the deep black coffee night
>
>        i hear the dim roar of the last flight out
>        and for someone there is someone never coming back
>
>

--
administrative requests should not be sent to the list!
to unsubscribe, send email to listserv@netspace.org
        with the line: signoff indigo-girls
=========================================================================
date:         fri, 20 sep 1996 08:51:03 est
reply-to:     "paul j. sgroi" <paul_j._sgroi@ccmail.c-tec.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "paul j. sgroi" <paul_j._sgroi@ccmail.c-tec.com>
subject:      re: jonas and ezekial
x-to:         chickensoprano <creechal@aslan.emu.edu>

>now, what do these two biblical men have to do with amy's song about
>leaving her anger in a river and searching for native lands and not
>being ready to see ghosts?
>anna

>> i'll take a stab at it:  amy is telling the prophets to 'hear her now'
>>                          because they didn't put forth the same effort
>>                          to protect the native lands, as they did for
>>                          captive jews(who's angel are you anyway!)
>>  that's my opinion, i could be wrong!
>> ...paul

>jen lucero <jlucero@monmouth.com> passed on winthrop lyrics and invited
comments. here's my $0.02 (based on the nff boot)

>        when we get back to winthrop
>        a few miles from the airport
>        in a plastic chair on a deck where my friends live
>        i watch the taking off airplanes
>        i watch the ocean waves crashing
>        and with all of this movement something's got to give

i hear the last line as "and i know at this moment something's got to give"

>        down at the high tide
>        passed down through the family
>        the fishermen gather to complain about the catch
>        they talk about time
>        they talk about tides
>        the pull of the moon and the coffee deep black night
>        i listen to them, i listen to you
>        and for everyone there is someone never coming back

line 6 = "and the coffee deep night black" (to rhyme with back)
last line = "and for everyone there is something never coming back"

>        but for all that we've been through
>        for all that we've promised
>        your wayward direction seems insensible
>        words fall off like friendless fish
>        all flopping and scattered
>        and hearts picked over deemed dispensible

line 4 = "words fall out like reckless fish" ??

>        down at the high tide
>        we're there for our last meal
>        the broken bread (loaves are) is still enough for all
>        we talk about time
>        and we talk about tides
>        (under the) the pull of the moon and the deep black coffee night
>        i hear the dim roar of the last flight out
>        and for someone there is someone never coming back

line 6 = "the deep night coffee black"
>
>        we talk about time
>        and we talk about tides
>        (under the) the pull of the moon and the deep black coffee night
>        i hear the dim roar of the last flight out
>        and for someone there is someone never coming back

again, the coffee line "the deep night coffee black" -- which i'm pretty sure
of 'cuz i've been trying to get a sense for why emily would change from the
first verse (coffee, deep night black -- which means one thing) and the last
two (deep night coffee, black) and i've worked out a lengthly explanation in
my head which, if anyone cares to hear my ramblings about, you can e-mail me.

thanks, jen, for clearing up a number of the lyrics for me, though!

--- you wrote:
well, i'm fairly sure i got all the words...the lyrics in the
parethesis are from the philly show...i don't have the bumbershoot boot yet
so i don't know yet what she decided on, but i like the nff version and
isn't "deep black coffee night" an amazing way to use words???
does anyone have any changes???
--- end of quoted material ---
thanks jen. just a couple of changes. on the boot from newport that i have, the
second time around, em sings "the pull of the moon and the deep night coffee
black". i don't have a verse with "deep black coffee night" on it.

alos, i think it's "breathless" fish, not friendless fish...but i've been wrong
before (altho not in the last 6 years or so.....ha!)

rock to the beat,

susan

my message got bounced back to me from netspace.org so hopefully this isn't
being repeated. if it is -- sorry!

anyway, here are a few additions as heard on the nff boot:

>> when we get back to winthrop
>> a few miles from the airport

you forgot "ah, i fucked it up...hold on" which fit so well with the somber
mood :)

>>        in a plastic chair on a deck where my friends live
>>        i watch the taking off airplanes
>>        i watch the ocean waves crashing
>>        and with all of this movement something's got to give
>
>i hear the last line as "and i know at this moment something's got to give"

it's as jen wrote "and with all of this movement something's got to give"

>>        down at the high tide
>>        passed down through the family
>>        the fishermen gather to complain about the catch
>>        they talk about time
>>        they talk about tides
>>        the pull of the moon and the coffee deep black night
>>        i listen to them, i listen to you
>>        and for everyone there is someone never coming back
>
>line 6 = "and the coffee deep night black" (to rhyme with back)
>last line = "and for everyone there is something never coming back"

the corrections here are correct :)

>>        but for all that we've been through
>>        for all that we've promised
>>        your wayward direction seems insensible
>>        words fall off like friendless fish
>>        all flopping and scattered
>>        and hearts picked over deemed dispensible
>
>line 4 = "words fall out like reckless fish" ??

this should be "breathless fish" as dwayne reported.

>>        down at the high tide
>>        we're there for our last meal
>>        the broken bread (loaves are) is still enough for all
>>        we talk about time
>>        and we talk about tides
>>        (under the) the pull of the moon and the deep black coffee night
>>        i hear the dim roar of the last flight out
>>        and for someone there is someone never coming back
>
>line 6 = "the deep night coffee black"

actually on the boot it sounds like emily made a boo-boo and actually sings
"the pull of the moon and the deep black coffee black." i would guess she
meant it "deep night coffee black"

>>        we talk about time
>>        and we talk about tides
>>        (under the) the pull of the moon and the deep black coffee night
>>        i hear the dim roar of the last flight out
>>        and for someone there is someone never coming back
>
>again, the coffee line "the deep night coffee black" --

yup!

so anyway, here are the entire corrected lyrics as sung at newport ...

when we get back to winthrop
a few miles from the airport
in a plastic chair on a deck where my friends live
i watch the taking off airplanes
i watch the ocean waves crashing
and with all of this movement something's got to give

down at the high tide
passed down through the family
the fishermen gather to complain about the catch
they talk about time
they talk about tides
the pull of the moon and the coffee deep night black
i listen to them, i listen to you
and for everyone there is something never coming back

but for all that we've been through
for all that we've promised
your wayward direction seems insensible
words fall off like breathless fish
all flopping and scattered
and hearts picked over deemed dispensible

down at the high tide
we're there for our last meal
the broken bread is still enough for all
we talk about time
and we talk about tides
the pull of the moon and the deep night coffee black
i hear the dim roar of the last flight out
and for someone there is someone never coming back

we talk about time
and we talk about tides
the pull of the moon and the deep night coffee black
i hear the dim roar of the last flight out
and for someone there is someone never coming back

deb

from martha:

> ...however, the distinction
> that i will draw between the "harmless" joint, and beer, is that pot kills
> brain cells, destroys your lungs, and could impair you to the point where
> you do stupid stunts you normally wouldn't do and risk injuring yourself.
>
> ...also, alcohol
> consumption is fine, but i would be concerned if they "drank like fish"

alcohol also kills brain cells, and impairs judgement. in fact, for people
who take ddc because of a dwi, the first thing that they try to teach is that
alcohol impairs judgement. i'm a certified driving instructor, i know very
little about marijuana, but i know a lot about the effects of alcohol. don't
believe, simply because it's legal, that it's harmless.

trant

on 9/20/96 3:40 am, tracy wrote:

dang.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>enda uotaqa aterialma<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

ahem.... i confess to thinking that she said:

"let's go rope that chicken in the middle of the night..."

imagine the hilarious image that i was getting in correlation with this!!
*chuckle*
hmm... amy's out in some farmer's chickenyard thing slinging a rope over her
head in an attempt to catch her feathered friend. i was thinking, "okay, she
has some weird ideas of fun!"

guess i'll just chalk it up to yet another mr. limes.

tamara (the lyrically challenged)

p.s. it's friday!! yea!! everyone have a great weekend and don't rope too
many chickens!! ; )

uuum.....maybe she fell on her head befor she wrote it ?
or....
maybe she was calling on aincient folks (from back when
there were prohpets galore an stuff), and comparing modern day
events to things that
kinda got prophesized about in the olden days, and comparing
the place where j & e lived to north america......refering to the
bible place (the middle east...prophets say..that's where it aaall will end)
then to "our own back yard...commenting on how close to home
it really is ???
or
maybe the voices in her head told her to write it and she doesn't know why.
or
mabe she fell on her head before she wrote it.

i don't know...i hesitate to venture an opinion on what she
means because i honestly don't have a clue (most of the time,
when it comes to her songs...as emily said in an interview
-was it on watershed?-
"you think you know what it's about but you're not sure".
(something like that.)

adeiu
binkifah
"john jacob jinglheimer schmidt...that's my name tooooo !"

i like to smoke pot beause...uuuuhhhhh....i forget...
but anyway i need to watch t.v. now..

...i'm really hungry.

binky
(a close personal friend of bill w.)

>however, the distinction
> that i will draw between the "harmless" joint, and beer, is that pot
kills
> brain cells, destroys your lungs, and could impair you to the point where
> you do stupid stunts you normally wouldn't do and risk injuring yourself.

you need to check your sources!  over 10,000 people die every year from
alcohol-related deaths, and there has yet to be a recorded marijuana
related death.  recent scientific studies have shown that it doesn't
actually kill brain cells, only alters receptor sites in the brain.
alcohol is a proven brain cell killer and leads to other multiple health
problems that far outnumber any that cannibis could cause.  your
"distinction"  that you have drawn is without any sort of basis and i hope
that this causes you to inform yourself about the differences between
marijuana and alcohol, the main one being that alcohol is much more
dangerous.
ryan

greetings all in the land of indigo!

i was wondering, does anyone have a report on the hte benefit that
happened at the supper club in nyc last night?  i was hoping to see
something on vh1 maybe, they sometimes do have reports on events like
this, but saw nothing.  if anyone sees/hears any reports about it on
the news/radio/paper could you please let us know about it.  thanks
a bunch!

take care and peace!

-deb

which one is emily and which is amy?
thanks

--
administrative requests should not be sent to the list!
to unsubscribe, send email to listserv@netspace.org
        with the line: signoff indigo-girls
=========================================================================
date:         fri, 20 sep 1996 13:44:10 -0400
reply-to:     margaret clayton <maclayto@mtholyoke.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         margaret clayton <maclayto@mtholyoke.edu>
subject:      re: shame on you lyrics
x-to:         jen lucero <jlucero@monmouth.com>
in-reply-to:  <199609200301.xaa24976@shell.monmouth.com>

on thu, 19 sep 1996, jen lucero wrote:

{lyrics--munch... yummy! i love this song.]

>         and the white folks would like to pretend it's not
>         but their music's in the air
>
>         you can hear them saying, la, la, la, they said
>         shame on you

i think it's "you can hear them singing, la, la, la..."

> we're out tripping in the middle of the night

and i think this is "we're road tripping in the middle of the night."

good job, and thanks :) makes me want to stick a tape in and listen to
it.. too bad i'm not near one. :(

margaret

to everyone that is going to the honor the earth concert tonight,
have a great show. i really wish i could be there! i'm sure that
the girls will be wonderful as always. be sure to let us less
fortunate ones know all about it.

as least i am going to see dar williams in denver this weekend :)

enjoy,
- - howdy...

--
administrative requests should not be sent to the list!
to unsubscribe, send email to listserv@netspace.org
        with the line: signoff indigo-girls
=========================================================================
date:         fri, 20 sep 1996 14:47:58 -0500
reply-to:     claro casey <claro@m2.monsterbit.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         claro casey <claro@m2.monsterbit.com>
subject:      re: tonight's live broadcast
x-to:         deb odonoghue <doobie@student.umass.edu>
in-reply-to:  <199609201650.maa17247@asimov.oit.umass.edu>

don't forget to tune into the honor the earth campaign real audio
broadcast tonight at 7.30pm cdt...live from northrup auditorium in
minneapolis.

the url for the audio feed will be
pnm://monsterbit.com/live.ra
the port number is 7070

here is the lineup for tonight's show:
keith secola and the wild band of indians
frank hyde and mike jones
indigenous
sherman alexie and jim boyd
bruce cockburn
indigo girls

have fun

--
administrative requests should not be sent to the list!
to unsubscribe, send email to listserv@netspace.org
        with the line: signoff indigo-girls
=========================================================================
date:         fri, 20 sep 1996 13:15:01 -0700
reply-to:     gwendigo <gkeyt@paul.spu.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         gwendigo <gkeyt@paul.spu.edu>
subject:      re: jonas and ezekial
x-to:         chickensoprano <creechal@aslan.emu.edu>
in-reply-to:  <3f8ee71777@aslan.emu.edu>

the explanation i have heard is that a was wandering around in an old
southern graveyard and saw headstones for two slaves named jonas and
ezekial; it piqued her imagination and spawned the song.

on fri, 20 sep 1996, chickensoprano wrote:

> in the past, i have written off "jonas and ezekial" as another wierd
> amy song, but the meaning of the song has bothered me.  mostly
> because i can't make a connection between what she is saying and what
> she is trying to get us to understand.
>
> jonas and ezekial were two prophets in the old testament (or hebrew
> bible).  jonas was called by god to deliver a message, but he ran
> away from this.  after spending some time in a dark, damp place, he
> reconsidered and answered the call.  ezekial was called by god to
> bring his word to his people durring one of the worst times of
> captivity.  he had odd ways of doing so, but they were drastic
> actions to get the people's attention.
>
> now, what do these two biblical men have to do with amy's song about
> leaving her anger in a river and searching for native lands and not
> being ready to see ghosts?
>
> anna
>
> "this is a banjo...and i'm gonna learn how to play it." -emily saliers
>
> --
> administrative requests should not be sent to the list!
> to unsubscribe, send email to listserv@netspace.org
>         with the line: signoff indigo-girls
>

just got this.

kris
----------
from: owner-honor-announce@m2.monsterbit.com[smtp:owner-honor-announce@m2.monsterbit.com]
sent: friday, september 20, 1996 10:39 am
end
sender: owner-honor-announce
precedence: bulk

don't forget to tune into the honor the earth campaign real audio
broadcast tonight at 7.30pm cdt...live from northrup auditorium in
minneapolis.

the url for the audio feed will be
pnm://monsterbit.com/live.ra

here is the lineup for tonight's show:
keith secola and the wild band of indians
frank hyde and mike jones
indigenous
sherman alexie and jim boyd
bruce cockburn
indigo girls

--
administrative requests should not be sent to the list!
to unsubscribe, send email to listserv@netspace.org
        with the line: signoff indigo-girls
=========================================================================
date:         fri, 20 sep 1996 13:47:04 -0400
reply-to:     margaret clayton <maclayto@mtholyoke.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         margaret clayton <maclayto@mtholyoke.edu>
subject:      re: don't give that girl a gun (lyrics)
x-to:         jen lucero <jlucero@monmouth.com>
in-reply-to:  <199609201138.haa05581@shell.monmouth.com>

on fri, 20 sep 1996, jen lucero wrote:

>         she's got a case against me
>         a jury of my peers
>         outrage of the righteous

this sounds like "and the rage of the righteous" on the boots i have and
at the shows where i've heard it performed. i have to say i prefer
that--makes more sense.

> screaming in her ears

margaret

--
administrative requests should not be sent to the list!
to unsubscribe, send email to listserv@netspace.org
        with the line: signoff indigo-girls
=========================================================================
date:         fri, 20 sep 1996 16:59:26 -0400
reply-to:     margaret clayton <maclayto@mtholyoke.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         margaret clayton <maclayto@mtholyoke.edu>
subject:      re: jonas and ezekial
x-to:         gwendigo <gkeyt@paul.spu.edu>
in-reply-to:  <pine.osf.3.94.960920131338.29641f-100000@paul.spu.edu>

regarding jonas and ezekial, i've heard interviews and the like in which
amy says that she composed the song in her head while bicycling in
hanover, nh, the morning before the ig did a concert at dartmouth
college. she said she chose the names because they sounded biblical but
that, more importantly, they are fictitious.

margaret

here's a don't give that girl a gun question for y'all. is there anyone else
who interpreted the line to be "she's already one" instead of "won?" i have
no clue which is right since they both seem to fit the context nicely, but
i'd love to hear what anyone else thinks!

~abigail

"i was mindless and beautiful...it was fun! ~smily amy

****************in the words of emily saliers:******************

>regarding jonas and ezekial, i've heard interviews and the like in which
>amy says that she composed the song in her head while bicycling in
>hanover, nh, the morning before the ig did a concert at dartmouth
>college. she said she chose the names because they sounded biblical but
>that, more importantly, they are fictitious.

i second this! amy introduces the song on the austin city limits show as
saying she "wrote the song while on a bike in new hampshire. well i didn't
actually write it on the bike, i got off and wrote it down later..." or
something to that affect. i have it at home if anyone want's the exact
quote. it was cute.

deb

--
administrative requests should not be sent to the list!
to unsubscribe, send email to listserv@netspace.org
        with the line: signoff indigo-girls
=========================================================================
date:         fri, 20 sep 1996 17:13:12 -0400
reply-to:     margaret clayton <maclayto@mtholyoke.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         margaret clayton <maclayto@mtholyoke.edu>
subject:      re: she's already _____
x-to:         abigail <abaroo@execpc.com>
in-reply-to:  <1.5.4.32.19960920211137.0075a9f8@mail.execpc.com>

i think this is an interesting thread... i wonder what it will be in the
lyric book. wouldn't it be funny if it's "1"? ha ha. but amy is not
prince (nor is prince anymore, i suppose...).

margaret, on a posting rampage today

on fri, 20 sep 1996, abigail wrote:

> here's a don't give that girl a gun question for y'all. is there anyone else
> who interpreted the line to be "she's already one" instead of "won?" i have
> no clue which is right since they both seem to fit the context nicely, but
> i'd love to hear what anyone else thinks!

--
administrative requests should not be sent to the list!
to unsubscribe, send email to listserv@netspace.org
        with the line: signoff indigo-girls
=========================================================================
date:         fri, 20 sep 1996 14:22:00 edt
reply-to:     chickensoprano <creechal@aslan.emu.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         chickensoprano <creechal@aslan.emu.edu>
organization: eastern mennonite university
subject:      nigc: how to tell republicans from democrats

how to tell republicans from democrats:

democrats buy most of the books that have been banned somewhere.
republicans form censorship committees and read them as a group.

republicans consume three-fourths of all the rutabagas produced in
this country. the remainder is thrown out.

republicans usually wear hats and always clean their paint brushes.

democrats give their worn-out clothes to those less fortunate.
republicans wear theirs.

republicans employ exterminators. democrats step on the bugs.

democrats name their children after currently-popular sports figures,
politicians, and entertainers. republican children are named after
their parents or grandparents, according to where the money is.

democrats keep trying to cut down on smoking but are not successful.
neither are republicans.

republicans tend to keep their shades drawn, although there is seldom
any reason why they should. democrats ought to, but don't.

republicans study the financial pages of the newspaper. democrats put
them in the bottom of the bird cage.

most of the stuff alongside the road has been thrown out of car
windows by democrats.

republicans raise dahlias, dalmatians, and eyebrows. democrats raise
airedales, kids, and taxes.

democrats eat the fish they catch. republicans hang them on the wall.

republican boys date democratic girls. they plan to marry republican
girls, but feel that they're entitled to a little fun first.

democrats make plans and then do something else. republicans follow
the plans their grandfathers made.

republicans sleep in twin beds - some even in separate rooms. that is
why there are more democrats.

from a document submitted and published in the 'congressional record'
october 1, 1974, by representative craig hosmer [r-california]. the
author chose to remain anonymous...

has anyone heard more about monsterbit broadcasting tonight's honor the =
earth benefit? i checked out the broadcast information on their =
homepage and it still lists it but no instructions on how to connect. =
anyone out there with the inside scoop?

thanks,

kris

hey...since catie pops up here in conversation from time to time (and amy's
taken in her shows and there are a lot of fan-sharing here), i thought i'd
pass on these dates:

9/21 detroit
9/22 boston
9/28 atlanta
10/4 westboro, ma
10/5 northampton, ma
10/6 glama awards...nyc (she's nominated for, like, everything for her cool
song "radical"...she also has this killer video for it that shows a great
range of diversity and some cool non-traditional couples holding hands,
hugging and smooching!)
10/11 brooklyn, ny
10/20 philadelphia
11/07 englewood, nj
11/13 bethlehem, pa
11/14 barns @ wolftrap, vienna, va
11/15 may's chapel coffeehouse, timonium, md
11/16 philadelphia
11/23 ann arbor, mi

unfortunately, as you can see, there's little in the way of venues here...but
if you email prime city booking (they do dar, too) at primecity@aol.com,
they'll probably tell you the venues...

--
administrative requests should not be sent to the list!
to unsubscribe, send email to listserv@netspace.org
        with the line: signoff indigo-girls
=========================================================================
date:         fri, 20 sep 1996 16:46:58 -0500
reply-to:     claro casey <claro@m2.monsterbit.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         claro casey <claro@m2.monsterbit.com>
subject:      re: internet broadcast of tonight's show
x-to:         "kjarvis@atlas.lmi.org" <kjarvis@atlas.lmi.org>
in-reply-to:  <01bba703.06444ae0@pc70-68.lmi.org>

well, i do believe you might need to expire your cache. the broadcast
page has all the resources you'll need for tonight's internet broadcast.
here you go...you'll need to get the real audio player from
www.realaudio.com. then you'll need to say 'open location' and type
pnm://monsterbit.com/live.ra
the port should be 7070

and yes, you should be able to get audio over a 14.4 modem.
hope you all enjoy the show!

mellie price
monsterbit media

on fri, 20 sep 1996, kjarvis@atlas.lmi.org wrote:

> has anyone heard more about monsterbit broadcasting tonight's honor the earth benefit? i checked out the broadcast information on their homepage and it still lists it but no instructions on how to connect. anyone out there with the inside scoop?
>
> thanks,
>
> kris
>
> --
> administrative requests should not be sent to the list!
> to unsubscribe, send email to listserv@netspace.org
> with the line: signoff indigo-girls
>

ok, as usual, i have a stupid question. it's kind of strange actually but
hopefully someone can help me out. do y'all think tonight's broadcast will
work on realaudio player 1.0? i tried getting the 2.0 version some time ago
but it would not workon my system for some reason and i never quite figured
it out. the only version that works for me is the old one. any help would be
appreciated. thanks so much :)

jendy

"there are no stupid questions, only really stupid people."

;)

> here's a don't give that girl a gun question for y'all. is there
anyone else
> who interpreted the line to be "she's already one" instead of "won?
" i have
> no clue which is right since they both seem to fit the context
nicely, but
> i'd love to hear what anyone else thinks!

how about this.....

"she's already one, she's already won...."

anyone? anyone? (bueller?)

melissa

sorry that this contains nigc, but i mailed listerv at netspace and my
messages have been forwarded to the list owners.  i've tried to
unsubscribe from the digest via listserv, but it told me that i'm not
suscribed (despite the fact that i receive several digests a day).  if
anyone has any advice, i'd appreciate it.  thanks.
-peter

-------------------
-peter followill -
-pfollow@emory.edu-
-emory university -
-atlanta,ga. -
-------------------

okay i'm sory...sorry

sorry...

but kim when i respond to you my mail keeps getting bounced back !!!
like it doesn't recognize [vcn.bc.ca] as a real address ????

whats up with that ?

binky (sorry)

--
administrative requests should not be sent to the list!
to unsubscribe, send email to listserv@netspace.org
        with the line: signoff indigo-girls
=========================================================================
date:         fri, 20 sep 1996 16:37:58 -0400
reply-to:     tiffany <slugger@prolog.net>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         tiffany <slugger@prolog.net>
subject:      re: fw:
x-to:         litmissy@aol.com, bosston@earthlink.net, bbobojr@fast.net,
              laladuck@sover.net, blewshroom@aol.com

hey, y'all...i know ya hate getting this stuff...but c'mon, this is the best
thing you can send around. a petition to save sesame street!!! remember--its
an election year. vote for elmo in '96!!!

>x-sender: quazi@pop.n-vision.com
>date: thu, 19 sep 1996 07:13:07 -0400
>to: eisenber@max.muhlberg.edu, c028@lehigh.edu (abbe l. spokane),
>        adam@n-vision.com, mpb@fast.net, c011@lehigh.edu,
>        eric.eisenberg@father.com (eric eisenberg), jared@n-vision.com,
>        pwood <pwood@enter.net>, julie <cgreen@mail2.quiknet.com>,
>        toff@fast.net (kenneth toff), thecrew@azstarnet.com,=
rmc149@psu.edu,
>        rick reinard <joepa@earthlink.net>, earth@epix.net,=
sarigolden@aol.com,
>        corrosion@worldnet.att.net, tiffany <slugger@prolog.net>
>from: qu=c4zimoto <quazi@n-vision.com>@n-vision.com
>subject: re: fw:
>
>at 02:25 pm 9/18/96 pdt, you wrote:
>>
>>
>> ----------
>>from: walker, katie s.
>>to: blackburn, matthew l.; sutters, rebecca a.; chernin, kristy b.; pratt,=
=20
>>naki p.; walker, allison; jeffrey m colletti; jess s.; julie d. neureiter;=
=20
>>katie; lloyd; northridge, josh; ken norton; priscilla a. kreider; mom;=
wendy=20
>>l. urban
>>subject: fw:
>>date: wednesday, september 18, 1996 1:58pm
>>
>>
>> ----------
>>from: sutters, rebecca a.
>>to: walker, katie s.; blackburn, matthew l.; detweiler, shannon k.;=
burdick,=20
>>jennifer a.; miramant, jason w.; tophoney, gina m.; jones, jerris c.;=
pisut,=20
>>lynne m.; gilbert, michael r.; oswalt, richard f.; verzino, sofia c.;=20
>>reinert, ronald c.; cotton, jaimie n.; eko; b to r; matthew maloney; amber=
=20
>>m. derstine; drrau; jessica c. moulton; kacallahan; kevin spencer; phil=20
>>shafer; jodie seiz; milky feet; tiff
>>subject: fw:
>>date: wednesday, september 18, 1996 10:36am
>>
>>
>>this is a petition to save sesame street. all you do is add your name to=
the
>>list at the bottom, then forward it to everyone you know. the only time=
you
>>send it to the included address is if you are the 50th, 100th, etc.send it
>>on to everyone you know.
>>
>>pbs, npr (national public radio), and the arts are facing major cutbacks=
in
>>funding. in spite of the efforts of each station to reduce spending costs
>>and streamline their services, the government officials believe that the
>>funding currently going to these programs is too large a portion of=
funding
>>for something which is seen as "unworthwhile." currently, taxes from the
>>general public for pbs equal $1.12 per person per year, and the national
>>endowment for the arts equals $.64 a year in total. a january 1995 cnn/usa
>>today/gallup poll indicated that 76% of americans wish to keep funding for
>>pbs, third only to national defense and law enforcement as the most=
valuable
>>programs for federal funding.
>>
>>each year, the senate and house appropriations commitees each have 13
>>subcommitees with jurisdiction over many programs and agencies. each
>>subcommitee passes its own appropriation bill. the goal each year is to=
have
>>each bill signed by the beginning of the fiscal year, which is october 1.=
in
>>the instance of the corporation of public broadcasting, the bill=
determines
>>the funding for the next three years.
>>
>>when this issue comes up in 1996, the funding will be determined for=
fiscal
>>years 1996-1998.
>>
>>the only way that our representatives can be aware of the base of support=
or
>>pbs and funding for these types of programs is by making our voices heard.
>>
>>please add your name to this list if you believe in what we stand for.=
this
>>list will be forwarded to the president of the united states, the vice
>>president of the united states, the house of representatives and congress.
>>
>>if you happen to be the 50th, 100th, 150th, etc. signer of this petition,
>>please forward to: kubi7975@blue.univnorthco.edu. this way we can keep=
track
>>of the lists and organize them. forward this to everyone you know, and=
help
>>us to keep these programs alive.
>>
>>thank you.
>>
>>1.  elizabeth weinert, student, university of northern colorado, co.
>>2.  nikki marchman, student, university of northern colorado,co
>>3.  laura king, salt lake city, utah
>>4.  mary lambert, san francisco, ca
>>5.  sam tucker, seattle, wa
>>6.  steve mack, seattle, wa
>>7.  stacy shelley, sub pop records, seattle, wa.
>>8.  amy saaed, seattle, wa
>>9.  jill hudgins, atlanta, ga
>>10. alex goolsby, student, colgate university, hamilton, ny
>>11. aisha k. mcgriff, north carolina school of science and math
>>12. amy brushwood, north carolina school of science and math
>>13. mason blackwell, student the college of william and mary
>>14. melinda murphy, student, st. mary's college of maryland
>>15. amy raphael, student, university of pennsylvania
>>16. nancy adleman, student, stanford university
>>17. paul bodnar, student, stanford university
>>18. kunal bajaj, student, university of pennsylvania
>>19. sharon seltzer, student, university of pennsylvania
>>20. sugirtha vivekananthan, student, university of pennsylvania
>>21. ann wang, student, university of pennsylvania
>>22. seth resler, student, brown university
>>23. leslie ching, student, brown university
>>24. sylvia barbut, student, carnegie mellon university
>>25. karri plotkin, student, carnegie mellon university
>>26. kamilla chaudh, student, emory university
>>27. jon gordon,student,princeton university
>>28. nadine knight, student, princeton university
>>27. erica amianda, student, johns hopkins university
>>30. rachel pletcher, student, johns hopkins university
>>31. janet aardema, student, davidson college
>>32. kelly kiefer, student, davidson college
>>33. jane ruschky, student, davidson college
>>34. courtney pace, student, davidson college
>>35. allison patten, student, northwestern university
>>36. chad ballentine, student, franklin road academy
>>37. allison patten, student, northwestern university
>>38. rachel allen, student, rhodes college
>>39. mary rose herbert, student, guilford college
>>40. christie todd, student, rhodes college
>>41. athena petropoulos, rhodes college
>>42. kathryn hoang, student, rhodes college
>>43. lan to, student, rhodes college
>>44. ben hagy, student, reed college
>>45. stephanie marrs, student, university of pennsylvania
>>46. meg smith, student, rice university
>>47. julian zinn, student, university of texas
>>48. adam talianchich, student, university of texas
>>49. michael glazner, student, southwestern universirty
>>50. katherine rainwater, student, southwestern university
>>51. will o'brien, student, southwestern university
>>52. meridith mcconnell, student, southwestern university
>>53. amy cassata, student, trinity university
>>54. heather hanchett, student, trinity university
>>55. mike elsner, student, trinity university, san antonio
>>56. nd victor carsrud, student, univ. of texas medical branch,galveston
>>57. michael eisenstein, engineer, dallas, tx
>>58. tehmina banatwala, english teacher, houston, tx
>>59. paula leigh cox, account executive, san antonio, tx
>>60. jennifer franks, account executive, san antonio, tx
>>61. mike mineo, student, ut medical school, houston, tx
>>62. andre de launay, amer. grad. school of intl.mgmt, glendale, az
>>63. tawne bachus, thunerbird,
>>     the american grad school of intl.mgmt., glendale, az.
>>64. ty bachus, graphic designer, herndon, va
>>65. thomas inskip, software engineer, washington, dc.
>>66. dana hollish, green seal
>>67. neil payne, st. mary's college, md
>>68. douglas g. davis, gainesville, fl.
>>69. paula garfinkle, potomac, md
>>70. jeff boodman, falls church, va
>>71. erica sangster, graduate school of design, cambridge ma
>>72. nathalia glickman, graduate student, university of oregon, eugene,
>>or.73. chee chan, ex-pat, singapore
>>74. justin tan, university of toronto, canada
>>75. sue burrows, mcmaster university, hamilton, canada
>>76. kelly cox, york university, toronto, canada
>>77. amanda holt, ryerson polytechnic university, toronto, canada
>>78. sara fisher, university of guelph, guelph, canada
>>79. elliot salmons, ryerson polytechnic university, toronto, canada
>>80. dori skye, ryerson polytechnic university, toronto, canada
>>81. jana atkins, york university, toronto, canada
>>82. joshua engel, mcgill university, montreal, canada
>>83. haim gorodzinsky, mcgill university, montreal, canada
>>84. melissa medley, loyola university chicago, il
>>85. kim puhr, loyola university chicago, il
>>86. lena dukic, chicago, il
>>87. betsy greer, university of north carolina, chapel hill, nc
>>88. lisa thompson, university of north carolina, chapel hill, nc
>>89. ryan emanuel, duke university, durham, nc
>>90. gautham venkat, university of pennsylvania, philadelphia, pa
>>91. christina varughese, u of penn, phila, pa
>>92. john varghese, student,university of md at baltimore county
>>93. jason putsche, student, university of md at baltimore county
>>94. melissa koponen, student, st john's university, queens, ny
>>95. peter c. frank, student, new york law school, new york, ny
>>96. mark j. bousquet, student, rensselaer polytechnic institute, ny
>>97. roberta e. chase, student, rensselaer polytechnic institute, ny
>>98. david a. phillips, student, rensselaer polytechnic institute, ny
>>99. james e. charbonneau, student, virginia tech, va
>>100.  sara m. eells, student, virginia tech, va
>>101. courtney reiter, student, virginia tech, va
>>102. larissa buccolo, student, virginia tech, va
>>103. amanda hill, student, indiana university, in
>>104. tony grimes, student, indiana university, in
>>105. laurie metzger, student, indiana university, bloomington, in
>>106. amy smith, student, university of maryland, college park, md
>>107. michelle crispino, student, university of maryland, college park, md
>>108. antonella cavallo, student, university of maryland, college park, md
>>109. ranjana varghese, student, university of maryland, college park, md
>>110. jennifer mccloskey, student, university of maryland, college park, md
>>111. jenni dubreuil, student, salisbury state university, md
>>112. greg zapiec, student, salisbury state university, md
>>113. helen woods, student, salisbury state university, md
>>114. gary bringman, student, salisbury, state university, md
>>115. dave rabinovitz, fan of snuffulluffagas, new rochelle, new york
>>116. thea s. lovallo, dated elmo, port chester,ny  (student)
>>117. scott johnson, nashville, tn (musician)
>>118. emily johnson, bert & ernie fan, nashville, tn
>>119. greg engel, i count numbers, pittsburgh, pa (dentist)
>>120. franco sicilia, jr., i loved mr hooper, philadelphia, pa
>>121. kelly icardi, bitten by the count, pittsburgh, pa
>>122. lisa yaszek, graduate student, university of wisconsin, madison, wi
>>123. grant carmichael, sesame st. makes great use of tv,grand rapids, mi
>>124. jeffery j. glasen, coopersburg, pa
>>125. laura trausch snyder, high school math teacher, lisle, illinois
>>     -please don't take away big bird!
>>126. christine holguin,san diego ca - grew up on sesame street!!! save
>>     it for my kids!!!!!
>>127. bess baer, san diego, ca
>>128. candice anderson, newport beach, ca
>>129. rachel goodwin, m.s., san francisco, ca  i still watch sesame=
street!!
>>it's the greatest.  just today i saw oscar teach sloppy to wiggle.
>>130. judy corse, jr. high teacher, eagle rock, ca
>>131. w. bruce watson, livermore, ca
>>132. ed costello, pleasanton, ca.  brought to you today by the number'5'.
>>133. julie buehler, san bruno, ca
>>134. denise ann maurer, palo alto, ca  save the snuffle-up-a-gus!
>>135. b. kyle partridge, somerville, ma "mana manam. doot doo dee doo
>>doo!"136. a.y. laury, somerville, ma  the seeds planted by sesame can one
>>day
>>     save the world...
>>137. alexis m. scott, lexington, ma
>>138. s. steele, woodbridge, va
>>139. alexander whitney, associate scientist, plainsboro, nj
>>140. monica belton, assistant microbiologist, andover, nj
>>141. marika skiadas, assistant microbiologist, somerset, nj
>>142. ann skiadas, environmental engineer, somerset, nj
>>143. sharone menczel, law student, university of pennsylvania
>>     where are the ten missing numbers? (doug anderson, who will be 158)
>>153. beth ritter, awards coordinator-mtv networks new york
>>156. julie kellman mtv animation-mtv networks new york
>>157. rachelle etienne mtv production-mtv networks, new york
>>158. doug anderson- associate producer- mtv sports, nyc
>>159. cinnamon-anne booth-production coordinator,mtv house of style,nyc
>>160. brian cooper- production coordinator, mtv on air promos, nyc
>>161. marisa fazzina- coordinator, mtv on air graphics, nyc  sesame
>>     street is part of american history!!!
>>162. lynne mishele- freelance producer, nyc
>>163. july lopez - mtv on air graphics,nyc
>>164. henry lescaille - mtvn human resources, nyc
>>165. matthew larsen - mtvn human resources, nyc
>>166. jennifer langheld - mtv traffic assistant, nyc
>>167. alyson leonard- coordinator, mtv production library, nyc
>>168. r.j. murphy - studio manager, mtv animation, nyc
>>169. michelle volpe - office manager, cambridge technology partners, nyc
>>170. nandita bery - software developer, ctp, nyc
>>171. mike apmann - ernie & bert rock.  computer geek, pepsi cola, somers=
ny
>>172. sal ulto - pepsi cola somers ny
>>173. melissa ulto - freelance productions, ny
>>174. bill aron, los angeles
>>175  michael signer, notre dame, in
>>176  judy axonovitz -univ. of southern california   los angeles,
>>177  milton denicholas - manager, cfi proservices, portland, or
>>178. pattric rawlins, portland, or.
>>179. janet petersen, portland, or
>>180. kelly j. horton, beaverton, oregon
>>181. tracy horton, san jose, california
>>182. karmen marr, san jose, california
>>183. john r. schmidt, san jose, california
>>184  andr  luthard, master scheduler, bay networks inc., san jose, santa
>>     clara ca
>>185. katherine glenfield, hr dept., baynetworks inc, billerica, ma
>>186. neha desai, hr dept., bay networks inc
>>187. becky katsiaficas, facilities, bay networks, inc., billerica, ma
>>188. elaine carey, accounting, bay networks, inc., billerica, ma
>>189. karin mulcahy, order admin., telebit corporation, chelmsford, ma
>>190. dawn gervais, pelham, nh
>>191. gail peach, telebit corporation, chelmsford, ma
>>192. lori kane, marcom specialist, telebit corp., chelmsford, ma ---
>>     bert and ernie were my favorite!!!
>>193. john heppenstall, pilot software, cambridge, ma -- because lori loves
>>     bert & ernie
>>194. philip m. lang, american national standards institute (ansi), ny,
>>     for all the nyc tourists that want to know how to get to sesame
>>street195.
>>195. michelle maas, ansi, ny,ny, it's not easy being green.
>>196. matthew gonzalez: concerned citizen, xerox corporation, ny, ny
>>197. tammy johnson, xerox corporation, ny, ny
>>198. julie lombardo,xerox corporation, nyc: i looked forward to the
>>     opportunity for my kids to grow up on sesame street, please help save
>>199. belinda bright, xerox corporation, nyc- my son, joseph, stills
>>     watches sesame street after all these years! (he's turning 5 in two
>>weeks)
>>200. deborah rodriguez xerox corporation, my children learn so much from
>>     this program. please save it.
>>201. kimberly l. robinson, xerox corporation, please save, leave our
>>     kids something educational and entertaining to watch versus the
>>     violence and profanity that dominates tv
>>202. dee schraner, xerox corporation, njcbu, morris plains, nj
>>203. claire giachino, our children should come first!!!! xerox corp. nj
>>204. jackie maree, xerox corporation,njcbu, a great learning tool and
>>     fun for the children.
>>205. renee toguchi, xerox corp, honolulu - never stopped loving sesame
>>     street!!! please save them.
>>206. faith kwock, xerox corp, honolulu - we watch on the weekends!!
>>207. sher satterfield, xerox corp, honolulu  - i watch sesame st with
>>     my grandchildren now. it is the best childrens programming on tv!
>>208. james rocha, xerox corporation, oakland, ca - we also donate money
>>     to kteh in san jose ( a local pbs station)
>>209. cheryl t. martinez -on behalf of my two children and the daycare
>>     children who watch this daily-xerox corporation, oakland, ca
>>210. phyllish medina-airborne express, dublin, ca
>>211. karen pierson - daycare provider tracy, ca
>>212. thomas rainwater, llnl, livermore ca, i can't imagine growing up w/o
>>     bert and ernie, its worth every bit of its funding.
>>213. lupe gonzales, concerned citizen, oakley, ca
>>214. valorie mcfann, kmi services;  my son's favorite is elmo and he would
>>     be heart broken if he couldn't continue to grow up and learn from=
him.
>>215. sandy aldrich, llnl, livermore ca, my children, as well as my nieces
>>     and nephews all grew up watching sesame street, and now their
>>     children are also starting to watch this valuable program.  i
>>     can't imagine tv without sesame street. are you listening
>>     washington?  we want our sesame street!!!
>>216. marilyn j pennington, llnl, livermore, ca
>>217. catie neilson, llnl, livermore, ca
>>218. barbara jackson, llnl, livermore, ca
>>219. robin ford, llnl, livermore, ca
>>220. judith reid, llnl, livermore, ca
>>221. florann mahler, llnl, livermore, ca.  what would the world be without
>>     knowing cookie monster, grover, and all the other wonderful=
characters
>>     that our children grew up with?
>>222. lauri archuletta, llnl, livermore, ca
>>223. liz perry, llnl, livermore,ca
>>224. leann esteves, llnl, livermore, ca
>>225. renelda lechner, llnl, livermore, ca
>>226. carol c. rivers, llnl, livermore, ca. pbs provides more than sesame
>>     street, we're avid "documentary watchers"! please don't threaten my=
tv!
>>227. annette andrade, llnl, livermore, ca
>>228. susan laureta, llnl, livermore ca. the mother of three, ages 26,21=
and
>>     7, all grew or growing up watching sesame street.
>>229. danny laureta, lam research corporation, fremont, ca
>>230. towanda foster, lam research corporation, fremont, ca
>>231. carol khayat, lam research corporation, fremont, ca
>>232. cesar lopez,lam research corporation,fremont, ca
>>233. elaine pierceall, lam reserch corp., fremont, ca
>>234. sandra grubbs, lam reserch corp., fremont, ca
>>235. mark rogers, fremont, ca   sesame street made me what i am today!!!
>>236. odette turmel, lam research corp., fremont ca. the future of this
>>country       is its children! give them a fighting chance.
>>237. christopher griffin, lam research corp., fremont ca
>>238. richard f. yanda, lam research corporation, fremont, ca
>>239. neil benjamin, lam research corp., fremont ca
>>240. eray s. aydil, university of california santa barbara, ca
>>241. sang m. han, university of california, santa barbara, ca
>>242. marcos esterman, stanford university, stanford, ca
>>243. ivan nevarez, stanford u., stanford, ca
>>244. ben lai, office of information systems, kansas state university,
>>     manhattan, ks.  there's hardly any sweetness left on tv -- don't drop
>>     sesame street!
>>245. karl peet, sentius corp., palo alto, ca.  i want my pbs!
>>246. robin jones, motorola lexicus division, palo alto, ca
>>247. eyal amir, student, stanford university, ca
>>248. noa shein, student, university of california, berkeley, ca
>>249. miriam shein, lawrence hall of science, univ. of calif., berkeley, ca
>>250. leah meyer austin, battle creek, michigan
>>251. joan lipsitz, indianapolis, indiana
>>252. barbara zeno, education development center, newton ma
>>253. david dickinson, education development center, newton, ma. it's one
>>     free service that reaches low-income children & supports literacy
>>254. catherine e. snow, harvard graduate school of education
>>225. pamela rosenthal rollins, university of texas at dallas
>>226. mareile koenig, west chester university, west chester, pa
>>227. michael s. weiss, west chester university, west chester, pa
>>228. robin a. thomas, west chester university, west chester, pa
>>229. cindi strengari, west chester university, west chester, pa
>>230. connie bannan, wcu, west chester, pa -for my granddaughter cassidy
>>231.  sandy graves, wcu, west chester, pa,
>>232. frank fry, department of kinesiology, wcu, west chester, pa
>>233.  george drake, chairperson, department of special education, wcu,=
west
>>chester, pa
>>234. aimee wydner, wcu, west chester,pa
>>235.  sara summers, wcu, west chester, pa
>>236.  rebecca sutters, wcu, west chester, pa
>>237.  katie walker, wcu, west chester, pa
>>238. kc chernin, wcu, west chester,pa
>>239.  adam richman allentown, pa ...this is the third petition i've signed
>for                                      this
240.  tiffany hein allentown, pa ...save sesame street!! vote for elmo in=
'96!

i was talking to my mom yesterday and she was talking about my being at
bumbershoot.  she asked me if i saw a group with a poster that had "some
sort of hockey thing on the back and one of the songs written on the
front".  when i asked her what song she said..."ummm, i'm not sure...oh
yeh!  it was chicken pox"

i laughed and then told her the real name....

-jessi

margaret clayton wrote:
>regarding jonas and ezekial, i've heard interviews and the like in which
>amy says that she composed the song in her head while bicycling in
>hanover, nh, the morning before the ig did a concert at dartmouth
>college. she said she chose the names because they sounded biblical but
>that, more importantly, they are fictitious.
>
>margaret

actually, i am positive than in an interview somewhere (or in the rop press
kit?), amy explains that jonas and ezekial are both prophets of doom in the
bible, and the song has to do with modern day prophets of doom. can anyone
back me up with more info?

btw, before we start an argument over spellings, can we all please agree
that the bible has been translated so many different times in so many ways
that alternate spellings of biblical names are quite common? (old timers
may remember this argument. :)

whatever,

:dwayne

i feel like i'm in hell!!!!! i was connected to the concert and all of a
sudden boom!! disconnected :( hopefully i can connect again because if i
don't i'm gonna be one mean puppy! sorry to bring this up but i know you
guys are the only ones who can sympathize...this is really upsetting. hope
y'all are enjoying it!

jendy

aaaaaaarrrrrrrggggghhhh!!!!

us, too! we were connected as fine as you please. we listened to a touch =
of ig at sound check. we were all giddy at the thought of a concert in =
our own little love nest, then - blammo - right at 7:30, we are =
disconnected. everytime i try to reconnect to monsterbit, i get =
realaudio error 19. what the hell?!!!! i had such a crappy week at work =
and all i wanted to do was hear this concert. :( waaaaaaaa! oh well, =
i'll keep trying a bit more. jendy, did you hear any of the concert =
before the boot? us, no.

unhappily yours,
s & j

" me and jesus, we're of the same heart. the only thing that
keeps us distant is that i keep fucking up." - amy ray

"here we go.......oh, wait....fuck me! we are disconnected, honey." - =
susan t.
----------
from:   jendy[smtp:edwina@jax-inter.net]
sent:   friday, september 20, 1996 7:38 pm
to:     multiple recipients of list indigo-girls
subject:        honor the earth

jendy

--
administrative requests should not be sent to the list!
to unsubscribe, send email to listserv@netspace.org
with the line: signoff indigo-girls

hi y'all...thanks for the feedback and i definitely can see where
some of the different interpretations come from especially if you were
listening to the nff boot...all i have to say for tonight is...
"words fall of like breathless fish" duh me!!!

i guess i was a lot closer the first time i wrote the word down...i
thought it "breadless fish"...go figure...thanks for clearing it up for me!!

peace and have a great weekend!!!

jen

--
administrative requests should not be sent to the list!
to unsubscribe, send email to listserv@netspace.org
        with the line: signoff indigo-girls
=========================================================================
date:         fri, 20 sep 1996 20:12:34 -0500
reply-to:     arbatson@hsutx.edu
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "hsu amber r. batson" <arbatson@hsutx.edu>
organization: hardin-simmons university
subject:      re: honor the earth
x-to:         susan tomlinson <teddie@telepath.com>

well, first i was going to just mail jendy, but who knows who all this
has happened to. i was connected at about 7:10 and heard some song about
somebody's mom? and indian people singing, then i thought, "hey, i've
got enough time to shave my legs real fast." when i cam back, it was
disconnected and it keeps saying error 19, too. i thought it was just my
computer. man, i've never got to hear or see the ig live :-(

and another thing,

i heard emily ask "them" to turn down the dulcimer on her monitor. and, then,.....nothing! nada. claro que si! just my luck!

s. (j is pouting now)

" me and jesus, we're of the same heart. the only thing that
keeps us distant is that i keep fucking up." - amy ray

" damn, damn, damn! this technology is no good if it doesn't work! " - jocelyn b.

----------
from:   jendy[smtp:edwina@jax-inter.net]
sent:   friday, september 20, 1996 7:38 pm
to:     multiple recipients of list indigo-girls
subject:        honor the earth

jendy

--
administrative requests should not be sent to the list!
to unsubscribe, send email to listserv@netspace.org
with the line: signoff indigo-girls

hey, y'all, i just went to a pretty cool outdoor music thing here in richmond
va.  janet martin is a local musician, has one cd out which i seem to have
forgotten the name of, but she's really good.  i intend to find the cd, i
highly recommend her!  she, wow, sounded like a very cool combination of
catie curtis, mary chapin carpenter, and kristen hall, she's a great guitar
player and her voice is incredibly strong and, um, what's the word, flexible?
it reminded me of michelle malone (yes, i know, sarah, no one can compare to
your goddess :) a little.  she's good.  she had this awesome bass player with
her named mick or something.  it was a little thing at a museum, a lot of
fun, ponygirl and i went, and afterwards wandered over and said hello to her
and said how much we enjoyed the show and got her to sign our museum program
dealies.  (my articulateness is gone after random pop quizzes all day long :)
she has the nicest smile!  anyway, enough rambling.  i haven't got my ig fix
for the day yet :)
love katy

well, just about every response i got was the same: amy saw these
names on tombstones while bike ridding in new england and thought
they would be interesting. gosh darn it, that's not good enough!
there must be more to this...

searching...
anna

"this is a banjo...and i'm gonna learn how to play it." -emily saliers

don't know if any of y'all have tried lately, but we are back onto the hte
concert. don't know who is playing, though. hopefully we won't lose it
again!

dwayne

woo-hoo!

we are connected again!! :) mellie (from monsterbit) just said all is =
aok on their end, so start trying again. it took us three hits and we =
were there, baby! i think indigenous is jamming now! it sounds good!

good luck!

peace and all that,

susan and one happy jocie:)

" me and jesus, we're of the same heart. the only thing that
keeps us distant is that i keep fucking up." - amy ray

" woo-hoo, we are on!" - susan

hey all,

> i think sherlyn can back me up on this one.  it's actually 'breathless
> fish', which goes along with the 'flopping' part.  pretty bizarre imagery, i
> must say.  :-)

it is indeed "breathless fish". and i *still* think emily could have
found a better simile. :)

listening to the realaudio broadcast coming from the computer in the
other room (whoops, my brother just turned it off, guess it was slowing
it down too much...)
sherlyn

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- sherlyn koo - sherlyn@fl.net.au -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
  "we've been around, we fall, we fly; we mostly fall, we mostly run.
   and every now and then we try to mend the damage that we've done..."
                                        - leonard cohen
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

--
administrative requests should not be sent to the list!
to unsubscribe, send email to listserv@netspace.org
        with the line: signoff indigo-girls
=========================================================================
date:         fri, 20 sep 1996 19:43:15 -0700
reply-to:     wendell lee <wlee@indy1.calarts.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         wendell lee <wlee@indy1.calarts.edu>
subject:      re: internet broadcast of tonight's show
x-to:         claro casey <claro@m2.monsterbit.com>
in-reply-to:  <pine.bsi.3.91.960920164352.11173a-100000@m2.monsterbit.com>

help!, i can't do it. whenever i try and load up real audio, it says
vop-something.exe is not supported. what can i do? or is it too late
now?

wendell

i'm beginning to think it just wasn't meant to be for me to hear the indigo
girls tonight. :(

jendy

please disregard the last post...it might still be meant to be...

jendy

--
administrative requests should not be sent to the list!
to unsubscribe, send email to listserv@netspace.org
with the line: signoff indigo-girls