lifeblood: listlogs: 1996-10b


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date:         mon, 7 oct 1996 00:14:41 -0400
reply-to:     sanawike1@aol.com
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from:         sanawike1@aol.com
subject:      re: nigc melanie's mall

in a message dated 96-10-05 12:12:57 edt, you write:

> in a message dated 96-09-27 23:37:47 edt, jlucero@monmouth.com (jen lucero)

> writes:
>
>  > now i apologize for wasting so much bandwidth, but these commercials
>  >  just tick me off!!!  it's bad enough that barbie is still around with
all
>  >  her "cute" outfits, but now they have a mall for her to go shopping
>  >  in...
>  >  personally i think the toy industry is in the very deep pockets of the
>  >  right-wing and is trying to keep tomorrow's youth pigeonholed into
>  >  yesterday's roles...
>  >          has anyone taken a walk through a toy store lately?  there are
> the
>  >  boy aisles and the girl aisles...yuck, yuck, yuck...
>
>  you know, it's funny you should mention that... i went to toys r us
(sorry,
> but my computer wont do the dyslexic r) just yesterday and noticed the 2
big,
> long, pink aisles... i think barbie is a (excuse the sexist lingo) babe.  i

> also think that of wonder woman, of whom i carry a picture in my wallet...
> anyhow, it's not good that everything is so separate... ("if you let little

> girls play with trucks their sexuality gets all screwed up." - melissa
> ferrick)  barbie has gone too far, it seems... yesterday i caught my first
> glimpse of glitter hair mermaid barbie or somesuch... but at least the
girls
> have jobs now!  i did see pizza hut delivery skipper, complete with skin-
> tight pizza hut halter top and i believe she was in red hot pants, but i
> could've just made that up... what was my point?  oh!  so yesterday turned
> out to be a complete barbie day... i bought some barbie playing cards (i
> collect cards) and the spades and clubs are purple, the hearts and diamonds

> are pink, and they are on the opposite colour background... i saw a talking

> barbie make-up case that said "jewelry is fun!" and "you look pretty!' and
> thought i was going to be physically ill... (i really don't have a point,
do
> i?)  so i got to talking to my friend and i decided that it's time for a
> barbie revolution.  it's time for a short-haired, small-chested, business
> suit wearing, briefcase toting, divorced, working mother barbie.  or,
better
> yet, a slightly overweight barbie.  or, better still, a barbie who comes in

> the same package with her partner, kendra. =)  or air force pilot barbie.
or
> engineer barbie.  or auto mechanic barbie. (and her coveralls hed better
not
> be hot pink!)  or surgeon barbie.  or sanitation worker barbie.  what do
you
> all think?  i know, what a waste of space... maybe even indigo girls
barbies.
> ;)  (see, igc!)  now _that_ would be interesting! :0  curious as to other
> barbie ideas... i'll compile a list. =)  maybe we can even send it to
mattel
> or whoever the heck makes barbie... ;)  gotta run!  peace, love, and
little,
> teeny, plastic pumps, sarah

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date:         mon, 7 oct 1996 00:27:03 -0400
reply-to:     deb odonoghue <doobie@student.umass.edu>
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from:         deb odonoghue <doobie@student.umass.edu>
subject:      kristen hall in n'ton, ma

greetings to all in indigo land!

i just saw kristen hall and her show was excellent!  she played for
1 1/2 hours and was really funny, talking to the audience a lot.
she was selling her own bootlegs (looks like she's been hanging out
with michelle malone a lot :) ) and played several songs from it,
one michelle co-wrote and sings on.  i was able to meet her after
the show and chat for a bit.  kristen was really nice and very fun
to chat with.  during the show i was trying to jot down the chords to
a few songs, especially out in the country.  i got the main jist of
the song, but i know i am missing some stuff, does anyone know the
chords to this, or who or where i can get in touch with a website so
i can pose this question to someone who can help me out?

i wanted to ask her what she thought about emily having a song named
"it's alright", since kristen's song is named that and emily sings
back up on it.  i thought it was kind of a funny thing when i first
realized it.

take care and peace all!

-deb

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date:         sun, 6 oct 1996 21:32:11 -0700
reply-to:     cath@efn.org
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from:         catherine diederich <cath@efn.org>
subject:      new to the family

um,...hello?
        we're new here, and so excited that we don't quite know what to do with
our fanatic selves.  we have figured out though, that we are definitely
in the right place...the indigo girls are life, the rest is just
details. at bumbershoot in seattle (aug 31, 1996)they rocked!! the new
songs...can't think of one we didn't enjoy.  thanks in advance for any
info on anything, how about some bootleg info? looking forward to this
experience, even the silly part!

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date:         sun, 6 oct 1996 23:05:53 -0700
reply-to:     "b. parks" <bonster@u.washington.edu>
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from:         "b. parks" <bonster@u.washington.edu>
subject:      apology

sorry about the earlier post. i've got puffins on the brain...
(that one's for you, jennifer)

-bon

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date:         mon, 7 oct 1996 02:38:44 -0500
reply-to:     "jenn. brown" <jennb@owlnet.rice.edu>
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from:         "jenn. brown" <jennb@owlnet.rice.edu>
subject:      re: skipping songs...ctf -reply
in-reply-to:  <s25811be.065@wpo.it.luc.edu>

> >>> alex t. king <asailers@accesscom.com>  10/6/96, 07:50pm >>>
> i have been an avid ig fan for at least 5 years, and my reason for
> being slightly turned off by ctf is that is seems to be the only song
> most poeple know the ig by . . . .


> sorry, i'd have to disagree.  in my experience, most people know
> galileo or least complicated, and sometimes both.  i'd say ctf comes
> in 3rd, but a distant 3rd.  i'd definitely say many more people know
> galileo and least complicated that ctf.


hmmm... i had never heard of the indigo girls until i heard closer to
fine, and that was just two years ago (i know, i've spent most of my life
in the shadows, not knowing where the light could be reached). i would
say that ctf is _definitely_ the most recognizable ig song. at least, in
my experience it has been that way. i have never actually heard _any_ ig
song played on the radio, so i don't think released singles would be more
likely to have been heard. also, re: the first part of this post, i know
ctf is really popular, but i am not turned off by it b/c of that. i have a
friend who always likes songs on any album less simply if they are "radio
songs." he is basically disdainful of them. i guess it just depends on
your attitude toward things...

jenn.

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date:         mon, 7 oct 1996 09:39:10 -0400
reply-to:     weenracer@aol.com
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from:         lisa savu <weenracer@aol.com>
subject:      world cafe'

did anybody tape this show?...  i would love to have a copy of gotm without
crowd static!  if no one taped it last week, could one of the kind souls in
philly please tape it today? i couldn't find the show on any station in my
area.

--lisa

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date:         mon, 7 oct 1996 09:57:07 edt
reply-to:     deng@vnet.ibm.com
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from:         denise eng <deng@vnet.ibm.com>
subject:      family matters (nigc)

"candace and patrick recently became the absolutely over-the-moon parents
  of a bouncing baby boy.  but patrick doesn't live with candace and their
  son, he lives with douglas.  douglas, meanwhile, is married to candace.
  and patrick is married to diana, who lives with candace.  are you with
  me?"

         - first paragraph, globe and mail sat oct 5/96, vivian smith


no this is not some bizarre episode of beverly hills 90210!  given some
recent discussion on this list, i though some of you might be interested
in an article discussing the "traditional family" by looking at a not-so-
traditional-family: two vancouver couples, one lesbian and one gay, have
become the proud family of patrick and candace's son, kim.  partners of
each couple married several years ago to take advantage of company family
benefits that they couldn't receive as homosexual couples.

this post is not meant to start *any* flaming (again) about the whole
family issue, just to let you know about this article for any interested
parties.

denise e.

dark horse
        - am

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date:         mon, 7 oct 1996 06:46:39 -0700
reply-to:     betsy bertiaux <bbertiaux@spectrumctls.com>
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from:         betsy bertiaux <bbertiaux@spectrumctls.com>
subject:      re: michelle malone stage setup question

i would agree with this.  at the bumbershoot show, there was an extra mike
set up on amy's right, and even though mm wasn't at this show, she was
listed on the set list (i obtained after the show).

betsy


>i saw ig in august at the newport folk festival and at the hampton beach
>casino.  both times, michelle malone stood on amy's right side.  so,
>looking at the stage from the audience, the line up was left to right:
>michelle, amy, and emily.  it worked out well when they sang idwk, which
>amy and michelle co-wrote (they looked like they were having fun!).
>

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..you see turning off the light switch is their only power
      when we stand like spotlights in a mighty tower
                       all for one and one for all
                    then we sing the common call.....
                                                             e. saliers
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date:         mon, 7 oct 1996 08:13:26 -0700
reply-to:     betsy bertiaux <bbertiaux@spectrumctls.com>
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from:         betsy bertiaux <bbertiaux@spectrumctls.com>
subject:      in defense of ctf

ok, so i agree that this is the most recognized ig song, and that i've
heard it at all of their shows.  but,....... i too feel that it is an
important component of any ig show.  i guess i don't get tired of hearing
it because i haven't been to that many concerts, its only on three of my
cds and only on one of my mix tapes i've made.  and as far as radio play
goes, i believe its highly unlikely that there is any station  that has
overplayed anything indigo (speaking only from the experience of seattle
formats that play painfully few ig songs - strangely enough from the home
of the 25,000 strong rabid army of fans).

i concur with the analogy of the period at the end of the sentence, but
don't necessary feel that they have to close with it.  just so long as its
included.

i also enjoy the audience participation for that one, although, it seems
that more often, there are many songs that a&e step away from the mike for
the audience to fill in.

bottom line (literally), its a great song and still one of my favorites!!

happy thoughts on a monday,
betsy

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..you see turning off the light switch is their only power
      when we stand like spotlights in a mighty tower
                       all for one and one for all
                    then we sing the common call.....
                                                             e. saliers
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date:         mon, 7 oct 1996 11:25:19 edt
reply-to:     chickensoprano <creechal@aslan.emu.edu>
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from:         chickensoprano <creechal@aslan.emu.edu>
organization: eastern mennonite university
subject:      nigc - ellen

sorry to bother y'all with more nigc, but if you're not on digest
form and didn't want to read this, go a head and delete.

i noticed today that ellen is on the cover of entertainment weekly.
haven't had time to read yet, but it looks interesting.

anna

"a male gynecologist is like an auto mechanic
who has never owned a car."  -carrie snow

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date:         mon, 7 oct 1996 08:28:18 -0700
reply-to:     betsy bertiaux <bbertiaux@spectrumctls.com>
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from:         betsy bertiaux <bbertiaux@spectrumctls.com>
subject:      ig covers

indigo-tions!

i'm sure this information resides with someone out there.  i'm looking for
a list of all of the cds that ig appear on doing covers (ie,  the dead
tribute, the bob dylan tribute, the vic chessnut tribute, the soundtrack to
philadelphia, the sound track to wonder years...etc)  if anyone has a
complete list, please e-mail it directly to me.  would be helpful if the
titles were accurate (unlike my examples).    to eliminate redundancy on
the list, i'll post to the list what i find in case of mutual interest in
this.

thanks in advance,
betsy

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..you see turning off the light switch is their only power
      when we stand like spotlights in a mighty tower
                       all for one and one for all
                    then we sing the common call.....
                                                             e. saliers
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date:         mon, 7 oct 1996 11:35:42 -0400
reply-to:     sanawike1@aol.com
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from:         sanawike1@aol.com
subject:      re: michelle malone stage setup question

in a message dated 96-10-05 15:01:52 edt, you write:

> i saw ig in august at the newport folk festival and at the hampton beach
>  casino.  both times, michelle malone stood on amy's right side.  so,
>  looking at the stage from the audience, the line up was left to right:
>  michelle, amy, and emily.  it worked out well when they sang idwk, which
>  amy and michelle co-wrote (they looked like they were having fun!).

i just wanted to note that at pride (the only time i've seen all three at
once) michelle was in the middle.  of course, that's when a&e were guests
during michelle's set... i don't know if that matters or not... anyhow, i
just had to put in my two cents.  i mean, the post _did_ have the word
"michelle" in the title... ;)  peace, love, and bare feet, sarah

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date:         mon, 7 oct 1996 11:35:34 edt
reply-to:     chickensoprano <creechal@aslan.emu.edu>
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from:         chickensoprano <creechal@aslan.emu.edu>
organization: eastern mennonite university
subject:      re: layered vocals

on sun, 6 oct 1996, susan and jocelyn wrote:

> so, the question is, what is your favorite layered vocal <snip>

the third time they sing the chorus of love will come to you.  it's
not too fancy, but the harmony really moves me.

anna


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date:         mon, 7 oct 1996 11:39:19 -0400
reply-to:     sanawike1@aol.com
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from:         sanawike1@aol.com
subject:      nigc: jill sobule, michelle malone, ellen, geggy tah,
              & sexist remarks

hello, all!
      i have tried to send this out a billion times, and it's reaslly not
that i have that much to say in it, but i'm getting annoyed with the fact
that only half of the stuff i post to the list ever gets there... i wrote it
a week ago...

> in a message dated 96-09-30 20:48:09 edt, djohns@po-box.mcgill.ca (david
> johnson) writes:
>
>  > jill sobule, on her self-titled debut album. this album has become
>  >  #1 on my playlist since i got it on boxing day. check it out!
>
>  actually, i got that album a while ago and listened non-stop for a few
weeks.
>   it's highly recommended. =)  it is so odd that this should come up now,
> because i just got her album "things here are different" tonight! :0
anyhow,
> this one was out in '90, so it's her debut, i believe, unless anyone out
> there can correct me...
>
>  i just had to throw in the fact that i saw michelle again on friday
night...=
> )  she was, as usual, completely wonderful. =)  i can't wait for the next
> show! =)  i have only seen her 3 times this month... =)  she amazes me
every
> time. =)
>
>  i haven't been reading everything in this thread, but i assume everyone
> knows about ellen's cd coming out (so to speak) tomorrow?  actually, it's
not
> only a cd, but a screen saver, and there's something on there called
licking
> a frog, or something to that effect... =)  looks interesting.  i might have

> to snag a copy of that one. =)
>
>  any opinions on geggy tah out there?  i saw them this week (they're
opening
> for barenaked ladies) and thought they were _great_ live! =)  i also had
the
> opportunity to talk to them for some time after the show and they are
really
> nice and friendly and such... i was just curious about your collective
> opinions...
>
>  okay, a friend of mine pointed this article out to me friday night.  it
was (
> and i guess it still is) in the september issue of a newspaperish mag
called "
> ink nineteen - new music magazine".  this sexist young man (brent dey for
all
> of you who believe in personal vendettas and the like) was reviewing the
neil
> young concert at atlanta's lakewood amphitheater on the 8th of august,
1996.
> anyhow, he's babbling about neil and then we get to _the_ paragraph to
which
> my friend was referring when she showed me the article.  it was (and, yes,
> still is) as follows.
>
>        "ben folds five and jewel opened the show.  i missed ben folds five,

> but was very impressed by jewel.  can i just come right out that jewel's
> breasts are amazing?  seriously!  she's giving dolly parton a run for the
> money.  they had a buoyancy all their own, acting almost independently of
> jewel herself.  at times she had nothing else to do with them but rest them

> on her guitar.  they were beautiful and totally amazing.  jewel would make
a
> great mother."
>
>        then the he goes on about how much he did not enjoy the show and the

> improvements that could've been made on it, etc.  he concludes with the
> following.
>
>        "i think neil young is losing his mind.  maybe he was distracted by
> jewel."
>
>  augh!  what do you all think of this one?
>
>  anyhow, i must be off.  i got the score to "dead man walking" today, too,
> and it's fabulous. =)  just thought i'd plug.  so, have a nice night, all.

> peace, love, and big butter biscuits, sarah

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date:         mon, 7 oct 1996 08:45:45 -0700
reply-to:     betsy bertiaux <bbertiaux@spectrumctls.com>
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from:         betsy bertiaux <bbertiaux@spectrumctls.com>
subject:      re: nigc - ellen

there was also an article about the whole thing in newsweek last week (with
a great photo of her with the caption "turning lebanese?"   (i really think
so...)

betsy


>i noticed today that ellen is on the cover of entertainment weekly.
>haven't had time to read yet, but it looks interesting.


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..you see turning off the light switch is their only power
      when we stand like spotlights in a mighty tower
                       all for one and one for all
                    then we sing the common call.....
                                                             e. saliers
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date:         mon, 7 oct 1996 11:57:37 -0400
reply-to:     sanawike1@aol.com
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from:         sanawike1@aol.com
subject:      fwd: a christmas thingie i thought was humourous.  (nigc,
              sorry...)

in a message dated 96-10-05 13:46:44 edt, bkw1 writes:

> 12 days of christmas (pc style)
>
>  on the 12th day of the eurocentrically imposed midwinter festival, my
> potential-acquaintance-rape-survivor gave to me,
>
>  twelve males reclaiming their inner warrior through ritual drumming.
>
>  eleven pipers piping (plus the 18-member pit orchestra made up of members
in
> good standing of the musicians equity union as called for in their union
> contract even though they will not be asked to play a note...)
>
>  ten melanin-deprived testosterone-poisoned scions of the patriarchal
ruling
> class system leaping,
>
>  nine persons engaged in rhythmic self-expression,
>
>  eight economically disadvantaged female persons stealing milk-products
from
> enslaved bovine-americans,
>
>  seven endangered swans swimming on federally protected wetlands,
>
>  six enslaved fowl-americans producing stolen nonhuman animal products,
>
>  five golden symbols of culturally sanctioned enforced domestic
incarceration,
>
>
>  (note: after member of the animal liberation front threatened to throw red

> paint at my computer, the calling birds, french hens and partridge have
been
> reintroduced to their native habitat.  to avoid further animal-american
> enslavement, the remaining gift package has been revised.)
>
>  four hours of recorded whale songs,
>
>  three deconstructionist poets,
>
>  two sierra club calendars printed on recycled processed tree carcasses
>
>  and a spotted owl activist chained to an old-growth pear tree.
>


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forwarded message:
subj:    a funny
date:    96-10-05 13:46:44 edt
from:    bkw1
to:      khiscox,fifinorte,thawkchi
to:      sanawike1

since i can't send mail to aol from mindspring right now, i had to copy and
paste.  hope this comes across okay!  i think it's funny!

12 days of christmas (pc style)

on the 12th day of the eurocentrically imposed midwinter festival, my
potential-acquaintance-rape-survivor gave to me,

twelve males reclaiming their inner warrior through ritual drumming.

eleven pipers piping (plus the 18-member pit orchestra made up of members in
good standing of the musicians equity union as called for in their union
contract even though they will not be asked to play a note...)

ten melanin-deprived testosterone-poisoned scions of the patriarchal ruling
class system leaping,

nine persons engaged in rhythmic self-expression,

eight economically disadvantaged female persons stealing milk-products from
enslaved bovine-americans,

seven endangered swans swimming on federally protected wetlands,

six enslaved fowl-americans producing stolen nonhuman animal products,

five golden symbols of culturally sanctioned enforced domestic incarceration,

(note: after member of the animal liberation front threatened to throw red
paint at my computer, the calling birds, french hens and partridge have been
reintroduced to their native habitat.  to avoid further animal-american
enslavement, the remaining gift package has been revised.)

four hours of recorded whale songs,

three deconstructionist poets,

two sierra club calendars printed on recycled processed tree carcasses

and a spotted owl activist chained to an old-growth pear tree.


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subject:      ctf & other assorted things

my mail problem is fixed (at least temporarily), & i found two people (in
case one screws up) to tape ig on world cafe today, since i have class, so
my day has been pretty good.  but, to answer alex & other people w/
problems w/ ctf:

>i have been an avid ig fan for at least 5 years, and my reason for being
>slightly turned off by ctf is that is seems to be the only song most poeple
>know the ig by...they have so many other good songs, that i feel frustrated
>for these folks...and that frustration now is extended to the song itself.
>
>anyone out there have the same experience?

i have to say that i still love ctf.  this is probably b/c i was one of
those people you describe.  freshman year of high school, i was on a chorus
trip.  one of the "cool" seniors brought a guitar and performed ctf w/ a
friend on stage at this dance thing.  my friends & i fell in love w/ the
song.  we asked them to teach us the words.  for a year, that was the only
song i knew by the ig, but as the years went on, i fell in love w/ the rest
of the songs.  my first album was so, but i soon bought ig, 1200c, & the
rest of them.  anyway, all i'm trying to say is that if ctf could make me a
huge ig fan, then maybe some of those people who only know ctf will become
fans too.  and since ctf started my ig dedication, it means a lot to me.  i
only went to one ig concert so far (nyc in august), but i would have been
sad if they hadn't played ctf.  (they did play it, as the first
encore...kid fears was the 2nd.)  also, as a senior honrs chorus project,
three of my friends and i sang ctf.  this was partly b/c we love the song,
partly b/c we all knew it already & the harmonies are easy, & partly to
introduce the freshmen to the ig...kinda a full circle thing.  so, next
time you feel frustrated by ctf, think of me...<g>...

andi

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subject:      my own little bitch....definately igc

ok, so we are discussing ctf and it being overpalyed at shows, radio, etc., and
how  a change may be welcome in some people's eyes for a different encore
song.....
well, here is my two cents on the subject......i went to a show at cornell
university back in dec. of 94, and i had the crappiest seats in the place.  i
lied and conived my way to the front, only to hear 2 teenyboppers say,
  "god..i hope they sing that song about bein' fine!"
these two twits have killer seats and they don't even know the name of the
damn song!  i live and breathe amy and emily for half my life, and i have
to be deceitful to get toward the front.  where is the justice.....?  i think
that there should be a test that you have to take in order to purchase tickets
to a show, and if you can't pass, you can't get prime seats.....

this also applies for tori amos ("ohmigod, that song about cornflakes and girls
and raisins and stuff!  love it!") and most assuredly, melissa etheridge!
(ohhhhhhh!!!!!!  that song about coming to the window!  it's the best.)

ok, rant over......i just hate it when people who are dedicated and appreciativefans get shafted and people who like stuff because "it's cool" get the good
stuff.....

peace-

karrie

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subject:      my favorite layered vocal

hey guys....

the question was "what is your favorite layered vocal?'

the second verse of "you and me of the 10000 wars"  where emily sings
"when we last talked we were lying on our back" and amy sings "lying on our
back" e:  "looking at the sky" a: "looking through the ceiling"

i get the cold chills every time!!!!!

peace-

karrie

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subject:      ohmigod!  i screwed up!!!!

i said "you and me of the 10000 wars" with the wrong lyrics!  i meant "language
or the kiss!!!!"  i feel like such a duh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ok, i like that part of "lotk".  i love it actually!!!!  i love the whole
layered aspect of "yamotttw"  the whole thing is just beautiful!!!  please, do
not berate me too much for being on the verge of brain fade!!!

peace-

karrie

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date:         mon, 7 oct 1996 15:22:58 edt
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subject:      re: favorite layered vocal

kinda ironic how...

karrie bowen <k645501b@edinboro.edu> writes:
>i live and breathe amy and emily for half my life,

and then says (when answering the favorite layered vocal question):
>the second verse of "you and me of the 10000 wars"  where emily sings
>"when we last talked we were lying on our back" and amy sings "lying on our
>back" e:  "looking at the sky" a: "looking through the ceiling"

hey, karrie, breathe a little harder... :)

(the song is "mystery".)

just a joke (haha),
yen m tang             "when the beautiful ladies walk right by,
                        i never know what to say."
                        --amy "bust-a-string" ray

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subject:      re?world cafe?

#$%^^*$*(
i was poised , ready to hit record for the hour with igs(promised just a
minute sooner by wxpn) when at 3 pm that #$@%^&$* wkhs preempted with
their tasteful blend of rock,reggae, hip-hop. argghhhhh.
frustrated in md.
*&^%

i am a problem child- i've been wild all my days...(a.ray)

..still crazy after all these years.. (p. simon)

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ummmm...
that's language or the kiss, not yamot10kw.  not to nitpick, but...
just fyi.

on mon, 7 oct 1996, digest     "karrie bowen" wrote:

> hey guys....
>
> the question was "what is your favorite layered vocal?'
>
> the second verse of "you and me of the 10000 wars"  where emily sings
> "when we last talked we were lying on our back" and amy sings "lying on our
> back" e:  "looking at the sky" a: "looking through the ceiling"
>
> i get the cold chills every time!!!!!
>
> peace-
>
> karrie
>
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my favorite is in ghost:  "dark and dangerous like a secret that gets
whispered in a hush when i wake the things i dreamt about you last night
make me blush" and "don't tell a soul don't tell a soul"
i love that!!!!
tripping in my yellow feet, jenn :)

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date:         mon, 7 oct 1996 16:09:07 edt
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subject:      info on boots...

ok, so i'm a newcomer. i've been reading all of your comments and find them
all very interesting and informative.  i've been trying to gather the info
i want by reading, but now i'm getting quite restless....

how do i get boots?

as i said, i'm new, so unfortunately, i've nothing to trade (if that's how
it works).  could someone (privately if you want) send me (jcyr@mit.edu)
info on how this all works?  i saw the message from melissa gordon from
10/6 where she says she makes tapes and is a "tape tree branch." (?)  do i
contact someone like you for boots, or can i only get them if i have
something to trade?  does one pay for them, 'cuz i'm willing to pay for
them if i have to...

specifically, i was looking for a boot of the newport '96 folk festival (ig
of course, or the whole thing....whatever's out there...)

h     h     eeeeee  l       pppppp      |
h     h     e       l       p     p     |
hhhhhhh     eee     l       p    p      |
h     h     e       l       ppppp       |
h     h     e       l       p
h     h     eeeeee  llllll  p           o

joni :o)

p.s. in the galileo video, is it me or toward the beginning, does amy start
to sing (lip sync - whatever) emily's part and then realizing she has
messed up, starts to laugh, when emily pushes amy as if to say "hello?
that's my part!"  just wonderin....

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subject:      re: emily's solo tape
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on wed, 2 oct 1996, christine talbot wrote:

> hi friends and neighbors, all.
>
> does anyone out there have a copy of emily's solo tape?  i know it exists,
> although perhaps only at the level of discourse.  i *need* it.  it's
> either that or phone sex, kids, so please.  help me conserve my much
> needed funds from the evils of 976 numbers and get me emily's solo tape!


emily's solo tape!?  what solo tape?  i thought it was amy that had a
solo tape.  am i really that clueless?

                                                        tuesday's child

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subject:      re: my own little bitch....definately igc

karrie wrote:
>  "god..i hope they sing that song about bein' fine!"
>these two twits have killer seats and they don't even know the name of the
>damn song!  i live and breathe amy and emily for half my life, and i have
>to be deceitful to get toward the front.  where is the justice.....?  i think
>that there should be a test that you have to take in order to purchase tickets
>to a show, and if you can't pass, you can't get prime seats.....

actually such a test exists! it's called the "flamer/reiser test for good
seats" and it was first administered by us at the show in hampton beach.

we had a couple of extra seats (we were pretty much dead center in the
second row of tables) and we thought it would be nice to offer them to
folks who got stuck way in the back. that had happened to me at the july
'94 show in milwaukee so i know how it feels. we are talking i called at
the last minute (long story) so i had last row, 4th balcony seats -- if you
ever make to the riverside theater go up there to see how bad that is.
during the first song someone approached us and said, "these have got to be
the worst seats in the house." "really?" i replied. he then said "well the
girls don't like it when their fans can't hear their music." and promptly
handed over two comp tickets for 7 row floor seats. he had credentials so i
take it he was from the crew. anyway, i felt like we should do the same
with our extra seats. find someone who got there late and got stuck in the
back. besides, it makes for good karma.

well we found two subjects (the fact that they were by far the cutest two
women i have ever seen had absolutely nothing to do with why they were
picked!) and in order to ease the anxiety of the test takers, it was
presented as a contest: answer a few ig-related questions correctly, and
you too can sit up close in the two extra seats that we have . the first
question: name all the commercially released cds to date (excluding
singles). sadly the subjects were only able to name four of them (they were
newer fans) but they were so drop dead cu... , i mean nice about the whole
thing, that we offered them the seats anyway. they, praise god, graciously
accepted ;)

shallowly yours,

deb

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subject:      ig quotes

back on the fav. non-lyrical quotes thread:  (sorta)

   i don't remember what show this is from (maybe y'all can guess), but
it's an older one....

     amy says "bummer" about something (in a deep, gravely voice...)

i just remembered this because i recorded it onto my computer and now
whenever it thinks i've made some mistake or it needs my attention, instead
of an eep, a beep, or a quack...i've got amy saying "bummer".
     i love macintosh.   :)


                        --sunny

hippocrates said   "life is short, art long, opportunity fleeting,
experiment treacherous, judgement difficult".

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subject:      re: my own little bitch....definately igc

in a message dated 96-10-07 15:07:12 edt, you write:

>well, here is my two cents on the subject......i went to a show at cornell
>university back in dec. of 94, and i had the crappiest seats in the place.
i
>lied and conived my way to the front, only to hear 2 teenyboppers say,
>  "god..i hope they sing that song about bein' fine!"
>these two twits have killer seats and they don't even know the name of the
>damn song!  i live and breathe amy and emily for half my life, and i have
>to be deceitful to get toward the front.  where is the justice.....?  i
think
>that there should be a test that you have to take in order to purchase
>tickets
>to a show, and if you can't pass, you can't get prime seats.....
>
>this also applies for tori amos ("ohmigod, that song about cornflakes and
>girls
>and raisins and stuff!  love it!") and most assuredly, melissa etheridge!
>(ohhhhhhh!!!!!!  that song about coming to the window!  it's the best.)
>
>ok, rant over......i just hate it when people who are dedicated and
>appreciativefans get shafted and people who like stuff because "it's cool"
>get the good
>stuff.....

all i gotta say is right on sista'  .  i have had the same experience with
all three artists.  especially at tori amos.  i have never seen more people
there because the "modern rock" station whfs said it was cool.  just my
opinion.

sasha

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subject:      it's so nice to know...

hi,
        i just wanted to pop in and say that it's so nice to know that i'm
not the only mac lover out there.  if you have to ask what mac stands for,
email me and i'll give you more details than you'd ever hope to know :)

bye,
allison l.

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subject:      re: my own little bitch....definately igc

>well, here is my two cents on the subject......i went to a show at cornell
>university back in dec. of 94, and i had the crappiest seats in the place.  i
>lied and conived my way to the front, only to hear 2 teenyboppers say,
>  "god..i hope they sing that song about bein' fine!"

at the indianapolis show in april of 1995, deb reiser and i paid a mint to
some scalper to upgrade our seats to third row.  halfway through the show,
this girl in the second row turns around and asks me "which one is amy and
which is emily?"

aaarrrgghhhh!!!!!   :-) :-)

btw, i was too ill to make it to the cornell show that december, so don't
tell me it was a good one.  :-)

whatever,

:dwayne

(at work and sigless...)

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subject:      "singles" fans...

hi,
        i am in total and complete agreement about these types of fans.  i
have a short tale about myself.  i promise not to take up too much
bandwidth...
        several years ago, i came into contact with my old best friend from
high school.  she and i had ended up going to different schools and had
lost touch with one another.  when we parted ways many years before, i had
given her a copy of ig as a going away present.  she had always commented
about how much she liked them when ever i played them.  well...
        the years rolled by and we talked evry now and then (xmas cards,
bdays, etc.).  i always tried to throw in little ig quotes into notes and
things.  she never really said much about it.
        finally, after we have a reunion of sorts, i tell her that my dad
pulled a few strings ang got me great seats for the upcoming ig show.(this
was the so tour, by the way.)  she was very excited and couldn't wait to
go.
        the night of the concert, she is over an hour and a half late for
the show.  just as i was ready to leave the extra ticket with my roommate
and go, she pulls up.  i was so pissed.  all i could say was "leave the
engine running.  you're late!"
        on the way there, i keep waiting for a logical excuse to fall out
of her mouth.  when i finally ask why she'd been so late, she said that she
couldn't figure out what to wear!  we get to hear the last 30 min. of the
show.  during the concert, she turns to me and says, "well, i only wanted
to hear ctf and galileo anyway.  the rest just goes right over my head!"
        needless to say, we're not friends anymore.  i have to admit that i
was the one who got left the fool.

allison

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newport, ri, nff, 1996

3rd row of people.
i fought my way there, yes.
a few songs into the set, i yell,
"we love you!"

a lady behind me says
"well, *i* don't love them, they're good and all, but..."

i say,
"well, then you better make you way to the back then,
because there are 10,000 people behind you that *do*
love them..."

renee

* ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ *

"the same sun that warms your heart    "the beautiful ladies walk right by
will suck the good earth dry..."       ya know i never know what to say!"
       "get out the map"                       "shame on you"
        by emily saliers                        by amy ray

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subject:      jcs cartoon

the jcs cartoon can be found at:

http://www.hidwater.com/jcs/jcs_toon.gif

i deleted the original message so i'm not sure who it was that wanted this.


"i can't imagine having separate careers. my greatest fear is that it'll end."
                                                  emily saliers
               "my greatest fear is that emily has a fear that it'll end."
                                                     amy ray

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from:         "susan b. marine" <susan.b.marine@dartmouth.edu>
subject:      pc/xmas thingy (nigc)

--- you wrote:

>  on the 12th day of the eurocentrically imposed midwinter festival, my
> potential-acquaintance-rape-survivor gave to me,
--- end of quoted material ---
this isn't a susan-rants-and-raves. as a person who has made their life's work
helping actual acquaintance rape survivors, i don't think this is funny at
all....

please don't make light of something that devastates lives, and don't encourage
it by forwarding offensive emails. please.

thanks-
susan

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in-reply-to:  <wmkmxdw00wblq9u7mo@andrew.cmu.edu>

hey all.... speaking of ungrateful non-igers at ig shows....

amy (queen minerva) and i were at nff this summer sitting next to this
12 year old brat whose parents must've owned the joint or something...
because she got to go backstage and hang with the performers and got her
program autographed by amy and emily (and suzanne and ani...)  when a
friend of her parents saw it she said, "oh, do you like the indigo
girls?"  and the little girl replied very blase, "no... not really..."

amy and i turned green and wanted to maim her the rest of the show
(come to think of it, i don't even think she stayed to even see the
girls come on...)  but we resisted and "tried to respect what we can't
understand..."

amy-> death to kyle! (however the hell you pronounce it...)

rarrrrr...
-mandy

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date:         mon, 7 oct 1996 19:29:51 -0400
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subject:      re: jcs cartoon
x-to:         sharon jennings <rcxsj@unix.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk>
in-reply-to:  <v01510100ae7cb837e65e@[156.143.128.217]>

on mon, 7 oct 1996, sharon jennings wrote:

>hey, how about these as a good non-lyric quote...  obviously sharon liked
them...
>
>
> "i can't imagine having separate careers. my greatest fear is that it'll end."
>                                                   emily saliers
>                "my greatest fear is that emily has a fear that it'll end."
>                                                      amy ray
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so concert, '94, madison wi

2nd-to-last row seats, non-balcony and my best friend and i knew we'd be
too excited not to dance and swoon and stand the whole concert (i have
this thing against sitting down in the midst of those whom i am in awe of
if i can help it - to me i should stand out of respect) so we turn to
those in the last row and offer to switch with them - they can be closer
and have a clearer view - cuz we're gonna be swooning.  they turn us down.
they liked the last row up which was up against the wall - "we wanna be able
to lean our heads back and rest." (rest in the presence of the indigo girls?
i said) "oh sure.  my boss gave me these tix free and i felt guilty, that's
the only reason we're here.  well, i hope you girls won't act too excited,
i've had a long day at work...."
aaarrgh!

--mani (you don't know me i'm new been lurking bout 3 weeks will introduce
myself soon just really loved everyone's bitch stories had to let you know)
                        (think myself into jail)

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subject:      jesus christ superstar

hey y'all!

i was just listening to jcs for the millionth time and found that i'm still
amazed with amy's vocals on poor jerusalem. i have always been an emily
person when it comes to songwriting; but when it comes to singing, they are
totally equal imo. their styles are completely different but nevertheless
powerful in their own way. amy's range on poor jerusalem is unbelievable!
the first time i heard it i was shocked. i never knew amy could reach those
high notes. needless to say i was very impressed. her version of gethsemane
also blows me away. first time i heard it i cried. just so much emotion in
it! in fact, i think i like her version (actually the entire album) better
than the original version. that's quite a compliment coming from a true jcs fan.

couldn't go away without praising emily :) every single time i hear i don't
know how to love him, i get chills. i literally get chills. ahhhh it's just
so overwhelming i can't even write about it.

sorry guys. just had to vent some of this on you. hope you don't mind. i'll
stop the prattling now :)

jendy

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         ten thousand tons of ice cream,
         and if i don't get the things i am after,
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date:         mon, 7 oct 1996 18:35:33 -0500
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subject:      re: skipping songs...ctf -reply -reply

honestly, what i said was the truth of my experience.  galileo and
least complicated are better known by the people i have met.

-j

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date:         mon, 7 oct 1996 20:32:10 -0400
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subject:      ig newsgroup...finally!

hello all in indigo land!


i am so happy!!!!!  after a year of trying to get the ig newsgroup
it is finally available to me at umass!!!!  now i have another place
to banter about ig!!!  see some of you there!


take care and peace!

-deb

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subject:      bumbershoot in seattle

if anyone was at bumbershoot show 8/96 what did you think about ig awe
at the venue they were playing in?  was that just-wow look at all the
people-, or was it as if they really thought they would be playing in a
little cafe or something?  it seemed like they had a completely
different idea of what their show would be like in terms of venue.  also
, they seemed amazed at our patience as a crowd to listen to so many new
and unfamiliar songs(yeah right patience...i would pay to see most
anything ig!!) let us know, shila and catherine

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date:         mon, 7 oct 1996 20:52:12 -0400
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subject:      1200 curfews songbook

i was going through my mail and found i had the latest ladyslipper
catalog, and they have a new ig songbook - for the 1200 curfews release.
their description is "the most giant indigo songbook yet." it's priced at
$24.98 - item number hld690136sb. ladyslipper has a www site:

http://www.ladyslipper.com

email: info@ladyslipper.org

phone: (800)634-6044

they have all the other ig songbooks, except for sf and i don't think
there was one for botby, at least i've never seen or heard of one.

the ig screen saver (tmf) is also available from them - $9.98. i have it
on my pc at work. amy's been mistaken twice for a beatle.

nancy humphries
nancy@rbdc.rbdc.com

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subject:      correction: ladyslipper www site

i screwed up (so what else is new?) and posted an incorrect www site
for ladyslipper. it's http://www.ladyslipper.org (not com - as per my
original post).

sorrysorrysorrysorrysorrysorry

(thanks pat!)


nancy humphries
nancy@rbdc.rbdc.com

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subject:      solo emily recordings

i know of one definite solo session by emily - writer's night at eddie's
attic (10/17/93) and i heard a rumor of a tape floating around she
recorded in n.o. when she was going to tulane. whether this n.o. tape
exists or not, i don't know for sure. but i read/heard about it
somewhere. possible title "half moon cafe" ?

anyone else heard of it or have i been spending too much time in
hurricanes this year?

nancy humphries
nancy@rbdc.rbdc.com

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subject:      ig on world cafe

everything worked out well today...two people taped world cafe for me!  it
was great to hear "get out the map" and "don't give that girl a gun" w/o
the crowd talking in the background, as it is on my boot.  the
banjo-mandolin mix sounded amazing.  they said that they messed up, but it
sounded great to me.  "blood quantum" sounded pretty good too, but i don't
think that i like it as much.  they also chatted a little about honor, the
olympics, what they did during their year-long break, etc.  my only
complaint is that it was too short...i would have liked to have heard more
new songs, but who am i to complain?  i've already listened to it four
times, & i would be listening for a fifth, but my rooommate asked me to
turn it off.  i've intoduced her to ig (& i even catch her singing along
sometimes!), but she's trying to study, so i complied w/ her request.

andi

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subject:      re: ig quotes

sunny <sun@swcp.com> bragged:
>     amy says "bummer" about something (in a deep, gravely voice...)
>i just remembered this because i recorded it onto my computer and now
>whenever it thinks i've made some mistake or it needs my attention, instead
>of an eep, a beep, or a quack...i've got amy saying "bummer".
>     i love macintosh.   :)
        oh yeah?!?!?  well, when i get mail on **my pc** my "new mail" noise
is emily going "whooo hooo!!" from 1200 (joking).  furthermore, it also goes
"oh, i f*cked up" (from newport) for program errors. (other fun stuff, the
default error noise is my dog barking and it sings in melissa etheridge's
voice "hello hello, this is romeo" at startup.)
        i love computers in general.

tracy <nothing against mac... and oddly an amy person... just don't have amy
quotes in my 'puter yet... hmmm....  hey sunny?  any chance you'd be willing
to share this file?>

"i never lie.
        oh, that wasn't the truth..."
                -- danielle howle, 28 august 1996

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subject:      re: in defense of ctf
x-to:         bbertiaux@spectrumctls.com

>i concur with the analogy of the period at the end of the sentence, but
>don't necessary feel that they have to close with it.  just so long as its
>included.

i think one of the best parts about the newport show was that we didn't know
what the encore was going to be.  god knows i love the song, but when amy and
emily leave the stage at the end of their "set", there's really no suspense
as to what they're going to come back out to play, and that takes the fun out
of it.  i much perfer it being played in the middle (maybe even to oprn the
show!)
stephen

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subject:      re: solo emily recordings
x-to:         nancy humphries <nancy@rbdc.rbdc.com>

at 09:27 pm 10/07/1996 -0400, you wrote:

>i know of one definite solo session by emily - writer's night at eddie's

>attic (10/17/93) and i heard a rumor of a tape floating around she

>recorded in n.o. when she was going to tulane. whether this n.o. tape

>exists or not, i don't know for sure. but i read/heard about it

>somewhere. possible title "half moon cafe" ?

>

>anyone else heard of it or have i been spending too much time in

>hurricanes this year?

>

it definitely exists


it is a solo tape by emily titled : here for you, recorded supposedly in

1983 (with extra guitar work by jonathan harder), and contains:

maybe it's the vision

i know that i love you

no trespassing

i hope i'm here for you

when your heart needs a home

gray new orleans afternoon

no one ever told me

half moon cafe

untitled

white flag

play it again sam

better life


what i am looking for is information about this tape..... who wrote the

songs (emily, i presume), where it was recorded (some studio -- i know),

etc.......


if you know anything about the origin of this tape, please email me.....


marianne

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subject:      re: my own little bitch....definately igc

deb reiser said:
>actually such a test exists! it's called the "flamer/reiser test for good
>seats" and it was first administered by us at the show in hampton beach.

ha! *rotfl*  oh deb, you are just *too* cool. :)

>well we found two subjects (the fact that they were by far the cutest two
>women i have ever seen had absolutely nothing to do with why they were
>picked!) and in order to ease the anxiety of the test takers, it was

that's right, they were cute.  very cute!!  they seemed very nice too.  it was
a great show. :)

still laughing and still having nothing to contribute to the conversation, ;)
sherlyn
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and the days that opened up until my whole life could belong;
it's like getting the answers when i don't need them anymore,
i'm finding the pictures, and i finally know what i kept them for.
i remember..."                              - dar williams

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subject:      re: 1200 curfews songbook

hi folks,

nancy humphries said:
>the ig screen saver (tmf) is also available from them - $9.98. i have it
>on my pc at work. amy's been mistaken twice for a beatle.

which reminds me of something i've been meaning to ask: have you folks
out there with windows '95 gotten the screensaver to work?  i only tried to
install it a couple of times but it didn't take... grrr...

-sherlyn, who just did a lycos search for "common pond" and came up with
"common calculations used in fish pond and lake management".  hmmmm...
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- sherlyn koo - sherlyn@fl.net.au -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
"and the best ones were the ones i got to keep as i grew strong,
and the days that opened up until my whole life could belong;
it's like getting the answers when i don't need them anymore,
i'm finding the pictures, and i finally know what i kept them for.
i remember..."                              - dar williams

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subject:      re: ig quotes

one of my favorite non-lyric quotes is from the 11/87 chapel hill, nc
concert (thank you who ever made that boot for me!!).

"amy ray, pretty good for a girl!"  -e.s.

:)

anna

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who has never owned a car."  -carrie snow

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subject:      ig list address

hey gang!

i've delurked to ask a rather silly question. since it's been so long since
i've joined the list.....i've forgotten what the correct address is to
subscribe. i'd like to share it with a friend so if anyone could help me out
in giving me the right address.... and possibly the
proceedure.....again...i'd appreciate it a bunch!!!! you can e-mail me
privately at tchmefall@aol.com.

thanks!!!

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subject:      re: my own little bitch....definately igc

...waiting 12 hours on the sidewalk to see ig in jcs, seattle, 1995,
festival seating.  we're third in line, yet, by the time the gates open,
the people who were first in line have let so many of their last-minute
friends of questionable ig fanhood into the line that the best seats we
can find are 3rd row, side.  not *terrible* seats, but wouldn't you
expect better after all that?  bitch bitch bitch!!!  if you want the good
seats, come early & don't cut!!!  and don't let all your friends &
aquaintances & friends-of-a friend, & friends-of-a-friend's-friend, into
the line, even if they *are* cute. (deb that wasn't directed at you, i
thought what you did was great, totally different situation).

seattle times has a rants & raves column, guess that was my rant.
and raves go to the odwalla juice delivery lady who gave us as many free
juices as we wanted while we waited in line that day.  those 'lil juices
are expensive!  and to the rasberry chocolate decadence people who gave
us their leftovers rcd's they hadn't sold at sandy bradley's potluck that
morning (also jcs day).

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subject:      re: my own little bitch....definately igc

>actually such a test exists! it's called the "flamer/reiser test for good
>seats" and it was first administered by us at the show in hampton beach.

wow deb i didn't realize you had a patent on our little test :)

>well we found two subjects (the fact that they were by far the cutest two
>women i have ever seen had absolutely nothing to do with why they were
>picked!)

heehee--to be fair, these girls were the cutest women i have ever seen and
i don't even look at girls anymore.  too much info, i know.

>sadly the subjects were only able to name four of them (they were
>newer fans) but they were so drop dead cu... , i mean nice about the whole
>thing, that we offered them the seats anyway. they, praise god, graciously
>accepted ;)

it was definitely (btw--i have decided that "definitely" is by far the most
misspelled word in the english language--not that i really care but just an
observation) the do-good deed of the year for me.  we felt real good about
ourselves and again they were awfully cute.

to add another bitching story about bad fans getting good seats;  i saw ig
at arie crown theater in chicago in 94.  i had fifth row and was darn
psyched about it.  these drunken women from indiana stroll in with their
indiana accents and all.  i am booting the show and as amy starts in with
fugitive, they ask me if she is a man because she "sounds like a man" (this
can be heard loud and clear on my otherwise flawless boot).  obviously big
ig fans.  i was like--honey it the indigo girls.  no men!!  then the
medieval wenches ask me if they (ig) have any cd's out.  like duhhhhh!!
and finally they ask the ever so appropriate question about how long the
shows usually last because they have to "head back to ind-yana soon".  i
was like shoot me please.  there needs to be a bad fan rule.  all bad fans
should be at least 15 rows back and leave those good seats for us!

hoping no one on the list is from indiana,

greg

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in a message dated 96-10-08 00:06:48 edt, marianne wrote:

>it definitely exists
>
>it is a solo tape by emily titled : here for you, recorded supposedly in
>1983 (with extra guitar work by jonathan harder), and contains:
>
>maybe it's the vision
>i know that i love you
>no trespassing
>i hope i'm here for you
>when your heart needs a home
>gray new orleans afternoon
>no one ever told me
>half moon cafe
>untitled
>white flag
>play it again sam
>better life
>
>what i am looking for is information about this tape..... who wrote the
>songs (emily, i presume), where it was recorded (some studio -- i know),
>etc.......
>
>if you know anything about the origin of this tape, please email me.....
>
>marianne


marianne,

i remember when you first got this tape and asked for info
a while back.  since you seem to be the only one around
here with it, i've got a deal for you.

at the time you said you were too busy to make copies.
well, if you could make one (1) copy for the list that i
could run a "tape tree" for and let everybody get it.  i will
ask emily about the tape when i see her next week.

i'm going to the "honor" release party and will ask specifically
about that tape, just for you.  sound like a deal?  that way you
can find info about the tape from the source and everyone else
can share this great early music find and you'd be an instant ig
tape hero.

please let me know either way...michael  :-)

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subject:      wounded knee, tangled up, midnight train

     it's funny how one can perceive something and hold it so true to
themselves, placing value to a personal feeling that another could only
understand by climbing into the person's mind.  and the irony of life when
the reality slaps you in the face and you realize your perception was a
misunderstanding...  and the confusion of trying to keep hold of it anyway.
what is this all about?  misunderstanding lyrics/song meanings....  then
realizing what is really going on here.
     the two songs coming to mind right now are off of 1200 curfews...  not
written by the girls, but delivered by them like no other could
duplicate."bury my heart at wounded knee" this song grasps me strongly with
the meaning behind it.  i don't fixate on album covers (thinking maybe i
should more now)...  so when glancing at my cd case today for some reason
"wounded knee" glared back at me as if waving and saying "read me you fool!!"
wounded knee...  what's this about...  someone fall down?  say it isn't
so...  one of my favorite statements sent in song (thank god i never used it
as a sig!?)...  isn't what i perceived after all this time.  after the
hundreds of thousand of times i belted bury my heart "it wounded me" at the
top of my lungs (car windows up, of course).  i would marvel time and time
again what a beautiful statement....  how could it be put any better....
this person's hopes, dreams, desires, wants, loves, fights held in heart for
something as dear to them...  feeling as if fighting a losing battle...  the
pain...  and then the desire for the pain to stop...  if only the heart
weren't so strong....  bury my heart, i want to ease the pain...  if only i
didn't care so much....  why can't i take the easy road like others....  but
my heart continues to beat.  i will always get this message from "bury my
heart at wounded knee", and you know...  probably keep singing it my own way
too.
     "tangled up in blue" is another.  there was no instant "ding" bob dylan
song when i first heard the ig sing it...  and, you know, just being
delivered by them changed the meaning to me...  i haven't given much thought
to what dylan was thinking...  but can tell you what i heard.  blue being the
symbolic color we give boys..  from the instant they are born...  baby blue
all around.  this is so traditional, so symbolic, so main stream america
representing "the way" america thinks, feels...  blue for the boys, pink for
the girls.  when hearing a powerful woman singing about being tangled up in
blue...  the ongoing story of drifting...  struggling...  the entire song i
am able to read as a woman's stuggle to be who she is...  love who she wants,
but never settling due to the underwritten tone of society's expectations,
rejections, disapprovals......  it just makes complete sense to me.  then
again i experience the reality shock of ..  wait a sec..  who wrote this
song?  and here again, not to continue repeating myself...  but this is
another example of how i will always hear this song...  what it means to me..
no matter it's original intent.  this, to me, is the beauty of art.
     and while on the subject of songs not originally written by the ig, i
guess i can touch on "midnight train to georgia". keeping up with this
ongoing theme out there...  i realize many do not care for the song
(evidently!) but to me...  i would rather no other deliver it to me than the
girls...  with the feeling, lift it gives me.  hearing this song takes me
through my life, my heritage...  growing from a deep rooted georgia family, i
can only imagine others receive the same feelings as when hearing "god bless
america, coming to america, god bless the usa".  hearing this song takes me
to one of those places only a song can....  relaxing carefree feelings of
youth...  chasing fireflys at dusk...  neverending fields lined with
pinetrees...  small towns you can view in two blocks...  helping mema and
other small farmers harvest their crops...  the feeling you get when escaping
the city for a while to help your elders all day in the nasty, hot, humid
fields..  that feeling at the end of the never-ending day that i can not put
into words (perhaps maybe amy and emilly will one day do that for me)...  the
change of seasons....  crickets chirping...  homemade quilts and the smell of
mothballs...  running through fresh sheets hanging out to dry...  run down
shacks that stand as pieces of artistic history....  driving down dirt roads
with the windows down and a cold beer in hand...  listening to country music
on the radio as that is all that will tune in - something one would never
think to up and do until challenged with a total lack of anything to do....
this is what "midnoight train" does for me...  takes me to a place that i
may never be toatally able to return...  emily, amy...  thank you.
     anyone else relating to all this?
                                                                   trish dana

"we must love while these moments are still called today" -es

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from:         margot laidacker <margotll@aol.com>
subject:      re: wounded knee, tangled up, midnight train
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in a message dated 96-10-08 05:35:27 edt, dana5@aol.com (trish rubke) writes:

> that feeling at the end of the never-ending day that i can not put
>into words (perhaps maybe amy and emilly will one day do that for me)...
the
>change of seasons....  crickets chirping...  homemade quilts and the smell
of
>mothballs...  running through fresh sheets hanging out to dry...  run down
>shacks that stand as pieces of artistic history....  driving down dirt roads
>with the windows down and a cold beer in hand...  listening to country music
>on the radio as that is all that will tune in - something one would never
>think to up and do until challenged with a total lack of anything to do....

   i think emily *has* put this into words. this sounds like southland in the
springtime to me. maybe i'm just veeeery tired.

-margot

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subject:      re: wounded knee, tangled up, midnight train
in-reply-to:  <961008053235_121418952@emout01.mail.aol.com>

wow!! trish - your very own soc!! that was gorgeous - summed it all up
perfectly - and its so nice to hear of someone else  who loves emily's
version of midnight train to georgia - the pips of course did it well -
but emily just makes it so much more accessible - tangible almost!!!
you summed it all up  perfectly - thanks!

juliet.
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subject:      re: indigo-girls digest - 7 oct 1996 - special issue

>actually such a test exists! it's called the "flamer/reiser test for good
seats" and it was first administered by us at the show in hampton beach.<

strangely enough, i think i was the victim/lucky recipient of a similar test,
except the prize wasn't good seats.

i've been going to ig shows for many, many years now, and for the longest
time, i had a tendency to end up in the first four rows of any ig show i went
to.  well, i started collecting set lists from the stage in 1989.  i'd make a
point to head up, and ask the roadies for a set list, or, if they had already
been abandoned, just getting them myself.  the first time i managed to get
the set list, it came with two bonuses--handwritten lyrics for dylan's "i
shall be released," and "you and me of the 10,000 wars," both of which had
just been performed for the first time that evening.  good luck was a good
friend of mine.

well, somewhere along the line, my luck started going bad.  after the voices
for choice show of 1993, i made my way to the stage, and asked for a set
list.  i got one, but it turned out to be the set list from crosby and nash.
heartbroken, i couldn't even seem to exchange or return it.  i couldn't even
find anybody on the way out who would take it from me.  it seemed that i'd
hit bottom.  i stopped trying to get set lists entirely, even.  (ok, unless
they were *right there* in front of me.  but it makes for a better story if
you don't count that.)

well, when the girls played bumbershoot in august, i was there.  and, as
you've heard, it was a big crowd.  i didn't even try to get a set list.  so
there i was, making my way back to the car with my party.  and, just when we
reached the automobile, i heard a voice.  a breathless young lady rushed up
to me, said "hey, *you* look like a real indigo girls fan," and thrust
something into my hands.  she ran off before i even looked down to find a
copy of the evening's set list.  cool, huh?

so, i guess i passed the "you look like a real indigo girls fan" test.  musta
been the t-shirt.

-vic.
.

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subject:      world cafe

ok, which sweetheart is going to be kind enough to make me a copy....willing
to trade first born... :)

mjg

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subject:      re[2]: wounded knee, tangled up, midnight train
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     you betcha baby!!!  one of my favorite tunes on 1200c is definitely
     and positively midnight train to georgia.  i love it and always play
     it over and over again.  just thinking about it makes me want to
     scream.  aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

     thanks for listening,
     holly from hong kong


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author:  juliet long <j.l.a.long@reading.ac.uk> at nylanr01
date:    10/8/96 11:09 am


wow!! trish - your very own soc!! that was gorgeous - summed it all up
perfectly - and its so nice to hear of someone else  who loves emily's
version of midnight train to georgia - the pips of course did it well -
but emily just makes it so much more accessible - tangible almost!!!
you summed it all up  perfectly - thanks!

juliet.
<http://www.rdg.ac.uk/pris/sed/juliet/home2.html>

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subject:      world cafe tape

      i happened to be able to tape the ig segment of the world cafe .
if anybody  wants a copy, i'd be willing to trade
..
                                                 pj

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subject:      that midnight train

<<midnight train to georgia - the pips of course did it well>>

so does anybody but me remember, in the late seventies, a tv show that was
scheduled to have gladys knight and the pips on, but gladys got sick?  i'm
thinking that it was saturday night live, but i couldn't swear to it.  it was
definitely a comedy show, though.  anyway, they went ahead and had the pips
perform "midnight train" without gladys.  they were all there, lined up in a
row, in their identical suits, doing the choreography, and singing the
background vocals.  just the background vocals.  nobody took the lead, so
much of the song was instrumental, and then they'd chime in..  "leavin'!
leavin' on the midnight train!" (step-shuffle-turn-shuffle).  it really was
a lot funnier than you'd expect.

then again, i was seven years old at the time, and an awful lot of things
were funnier than you'd expect.

-vic.
.

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greg flamer definitely :) said:

<sad story about drunken hoosiers snipped>

> hoping no one on the list is from indiana,

ummmm, nobody here but just us hoosiers... *grin*

that's ok, though... i just hang around to prove not everybody from
ind-yana is clueless. ;) i don't think bobby knight is god, either. (the
basketball coach here at indiana u., for anyone who might be blissfully
unaware...)

there's idiots everywhere. we have our fair share in indiana. i bet
there's even an idiot in atlanta... s'pose? :) (maybe just one, though.)

i don't have an accent, either. honest!

defending indiana's honor though i'm not sure quite why,
anne

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subject:      re: my own little bitch...some igc

on mon, 07 oct 1996 18:10:23 -0400, sasha friedman wrote:

>in a message dated 96-10-07 15:07:12 edt, you write:
>
>>lied and conived my way to the front, only to hear 2 teenyboppers say,
>>  "god..i hope they sing that song about bein' fine!"
>>these two twits have killer seats and they don't even know the name of the
>>damn song!  i live and breathe amy and emily for half my life, and i have
>>to be deceitful to get toward the front.  where is the justice.....?  i

i had 4th row seats to melissa in mpls. a couple of weeks ago and the woman
in the seat in front of me had only been to one other concert before in her
life (i think it was rkelly) and didn't really know what melissa sang.  she
proceded to say things like, "wow!  i didn't know she sang this!"
throughout the whole concert.  unbelievable!

lisa

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...then there was the time when i won tickets through an atlanta radio
station to go to one of the rehearsals for the rites of passage tour (it
was at lakewood about a week before the tour started) and there were
maybe 20 people in the audience, and at one point two of the other
contest winners yell out between songs "hey, you guys are good.  where
are y'all from?"

<sigh>...

darren

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from:         "susan b. marine" <susan.b.marine@dartmouth.edu>
subject:      ouch!!! (nigc)

--- you wrote:
these drunken women from indiana stroll in with their
indiana accents and all.
--- end of quoted material ---
ouch ouch ouch!!! greeeeeeg!

what is this, national insult-and-offend susan week on the ig list? (sorry that
sounds really self-important)

hoosier girl is sad :(

please be nice.

susan
p.s. yes greg, i am from indiana

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yes! i was in seattle at the concert.  i had never seen emily and amy in
concert before and i thought they were fabulous.  the only complaint my
friend and i had was that they did not play "power of two."  so we ended
up listening to that song the whole way home.  other than that,
excellent.  i don't care if the songs are brand new or from years and
years ago, i could listen to them all day long.
                                sarah

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dear karrie... i think you mean language or the kiss..peace, kim (n.v.)

on mon, 7 oct 1996, digest "karrie bowen" wrote:


>
> the question was "what is your favorite layered vocal?'
> the second verse of "you and me of the 10000 wars"  where emily sings
> "when we last talked we were lying on our back" and amy sings "lying on our
> back" e:  "looking at the sky" a: "looking through the ceiling"
>
> karrie
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hi all. my name is jen and i've been a list lurker for quite some time.
the reason for this message is that around march of this year we had a
fire in my home, destroying just about everything. this was a few weeks
after i had agreed to sponsor the aquarius branch of the purple parrot
tape tree done by carolyn. many of you had sent me tapes and,
unfortunately, they never got back to you because of the fire. my
computer was also severely damaged and, until now, i had not had the
chance to write and let all of you know what had happened. i feel really
terrible that i wasn't able to get these tapes to you or to let you know
sooner what had happened. i lost all my ig boots in the fire and so,
while i can't send you the tape, i would like to make up for the
inconvenience. if any of you that had sent me tapes would go ahead and
send me a private email with your name and address, i'll go ahead and
send you the money to reimburse the cost of the tape, envelope, and
postage. please forgive me for any trouble that may have been caused.
take care.

peace, love, and light... jen

"first you kiss me like a lover then you sting me like a viper," -- e. saliers

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date:         tue, 8 oct 1996 12:24:07 -0500
reply-to:     kristal elaine cain <kec8144@tam2000.tamu.edu>
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subject:      new orleans, bad fans

i'm kinda suprised no ones mentioned this again with all the talk of bad
fans, but my absolute worst fan experiance came at the sat. show in new
orleans. i had managed to get myself down to the front row, thanks the
the wonderful miranda and carolyn, and was happily awaiting the girls,
joan was already finished. i started talking to the forty or fiftyish guy
behind me and he asked me if i knew what type of music the gilrs were. of
course this kinda floored me for a second, but when i recovered i gave
him a quick leson in all that is indigo so that he could at least
appreciate a little bit, he was there to see joan baez. so finally the
girls come out and of course i go wild and begen dancing, two shwos in
threee days, on the front row for both, can't beat it. he taps me on the
shoulder nad asks me to sit for a few songs so he can see them. imagine
the self control and strengthit took me to sit for three songs. wel
afterwards i got up and resumed dancing, he asked me to sit again but i
poloitly declined. so he sicced(sp?) the security guards on us.
frustrated me and carolyn scream to emily to tell them to let us dance.
those of you with the no boot can then hear them saying, you can dance,
you can c\dance-a. just turn to your neighbor and say neighbor would you
mind if i danced and they'll say sure and then you can dance--em. we
reply no, it's the security guards. is there a rule, is there? lets break
it!-am. of course i got some people thrown in jail in nashville so be
careful --- am.

well thats my story a bit long but amusing , and frustratin.


kristal the frazzled

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date:         tue, 8 oct 1996 10:16:36 -0700
reply-to:     "amy j. putnam" <pegasus@crl.com>
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from:         "amy j. putnam" <pegasus@crl.com>
subject:      layered vocals

ok this isnt really an ig song and it isnt my *favorite*, but one
example i really like is from "wild wild party in the locquat tree"
on the "put on your green shoes" collection.  alongside the fact
that it is a hilariously cute song, they do some fun things
with the vocals.

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pegasus@crl.com            \     /      when you're alone
monk@world.std.com          \   /
the original photo monk      \ /                --patty larkin

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date:         tue, 8 oct 1996 12:32:23 -0500
reply-to:     tritessa <gsajaf@noctrl.edu>
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from:         tritessa <gsajaf@noctrl.edu>
subject:      re: my own little bitch....definately igc
x-to:         "digest \"karrie bowen\"" <k645501b@edinboro.edu>
in-reply-to:  <01iad5t5ddpk8zf6io@edinboro.edu>

> ok, so we are discussing ctf and it being overpalyed at shows, radio, etc., and
> how  a change may be welcome in some people's eyes for a different encore
> song.....
> well, here is my two cents on the subject......i went to a show at cornell
> university back in dec. of 94, and i had the crappiest seats in the place.  i
> lied and conived my way to the front, only to hear 2 teenyboppers say,
>   "god..i hope they sing that song about bein' fine!"
> these two twits have killer seats and they don't even know the name of the
> damn song!  i live and breathe amy and emily for half my life, and i have
> to be deceitful to get toward the front.  where is the justice.....?  i think
> that there should be a test that you have to take in order to purchase tickets
> to a show, and if you can't pass, you can't get prime seats.....


bravo! i must whole-heartedly agree with you on this one. i've found
around chicago that it is 'galileo' most people know. when rop first came
out, this song was played to death on q101 (the 'alternative' radio
station that now prides itself on playing at least one green day song
every hour *blech*) and i find it so obnoxious when i hear people say,
'oh yeah, the indigo girls, they sing that song about that dead
astronomer, right?' for those of us who own every cd, video, etc. we can
get our hands on, it's rather frustrating to see little teeny bopper
girls with their new bmw's and gold cards from daddy get all the good
seats, while we scrimp to buy the newest cd.

peace, love, and light... jen

"first you kiss me like a lover then you sting me like a viper," -- e saliers

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subject:      world cafe boot?

in a message from:    andrea lipman <ablipman@sas.upenn.edu>
>everything worked out well today...two people taped world cafe for me!

cool!  any chance of getting a copy for a fellow philadelphian?

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subject:      re: in defense of ctf

in a message dated 96-10-08 00:06:42 edt, you write:

<<  i much perfer it being played in the middle (maybe even to oprn the
show!)
stephen >>

yes, well the girls have opened their show many times with ctf...julian ,
where are you ? :)  and several times in addition to the show he has....just
seems odd tho.

jude :) <==fondly remembering dancing to ctf in the rain at nff '95

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subject:      nff boot???

   does anyone have a boot of the nff this year (or bumpershoot) that they
would be willing to trade? please? anyone?

peace,
margot

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subject:      jcs

just got a new computer at work and have had the time to sit (while working,
of course) and listen to jcs all the way thru.  i enjoy amy singing the jesus
part, but before jcs came out, i imagined amy as judas ("heaven on their
minds" is a fave of mine, also the judas part in "strange thing mystifying"
and, of course, "damned for all time").  anyone else see it this way?

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i'm an indigo fan in springfield, looking for lez's
jamie

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anyone know if the girls are coming around the northeast soon. i'm in
springfield, ma...maybe in ny?
jamie

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subject:      re: new orleans, bad fans

kristal wrote:
>i'm kinda suprised no ones mentioned this again with all the talk of bad
>fans, but my absolute worst fan experiance came at the sat. show in new
>orleans. i had managed to get myself down to the front row, thanks the
>the wonderful miranda and carolyn...

i may get in trouble for saying this, but i'm going to do so anyway. why is
it that some around here feel it is just peachy to shimmy their way to the
front row with seemingly no regard for the folks who paid their money and
had the good fortune to get prime seats? it's different if it's a general
admission show and someone else saves some extra seats, but for a reserved
show i think that kind of behavior sucks. maybe you had a legit seat up
there, but if you didn't it's "slap-o-gram" time! i think you would have a
better gripe about not being able to dance if you were really in your seat.

and earlier someone posted about their "rude" experience at newport in
which they yelled, "we love you!" and the woman next to them said, "well,
*i* don't love them, they're good and all, but..." and then the response
back was "well, then you better make your way to the back then, because
there are 10,000 people behind you that *do* love them...".  i have one
comment; you said you worked your way to the front --  how many loyal,
legit, true fans who got there at 6am to get a good spot did you step over
while doing so?

yeah i cringed when the ladies in front of us at indy turned and asked
dwayne which one was amy and which one was emily. but at least i know they
were in the right seats.

i'm done now...

deb

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subject:      nff, hte request

i was wondering if there is anyone with nff, hte or bumbershoot tapes who
would be willing to trade. i have a large ig collection, as well as me, kd,
shawn and others. can someone help me out?

thanks a bunch!

kate
kater@merle.acns.nwu.edu

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subject:      it all started with an ig dream...and went up(down?)hill from
              there

geeeeez y'all would not believe all the ig experiences i've had today! it's
like something out of a dream. a good dream. a really good dream.

in fact, it all started out with a dream...i woke up this morning after
having the most wonderful ig dream i've ever had. actually it was the only
ig dream i've ever had but who cares! it was great. anyhow, i had a dream
that i was out on my boat just kinda cruisin around the river. it was a
beautiful day, sun was out (which it hasn't been for the past nine days), it
wasn't too hot, it wasn't too cold. just imagine the most perfect
atmosphere. you get the drift (pun! ha! wasn't funny). anyhow, i'm cruising
along and i see this 24' sea ray boat way across the river with two people
in it. they're flagging me down for help it seems; so i drive on over to
them and see that it's amy and em! their boat had broken down and they asked
if they could have a ride back to the marina. so of course i said yes and
they hopped in the boat. they had their guitars with them and while i was
driving they played the wood song for me (kind of apropos really) and it was
just fabulous! when we got to the marina emily gave me a hug and amy gave me
her guitar. emily said she couldn't give me her guitar because it was a
birthday present from her aunt. that was the end of the dream. what caused
it i do not know, but nonetheless it was a hell of a good thing to wake up to.

had some breakfast, got in my car, and guess what came through my speakers?
the wood song! it was from my so cd but i had no idea that it was on that
song. i didn't remember what i was listening to the last time i had been in
my car. so by now i'm feeling great right? well that's just the beginning.

i went to class today and this girl sitting behind me had on an so shirt. i
started taking to her about the girls, just chit chat stuff. told her what a
huge fan i am, asked her what albums she had, if she had been to any of
their concerts, etc. she told me her aunt in atlanta is really good friends
with emily and that she's been to her house a few times. well i just about
freaked! here i am face to face with someone who has met emily! now i know
many of you have probably met emily so you're probably not that impressed,
but this is really unbelievable for me! never have had the pleasure or honor
of even seeing either of them. anyhow, this girl (her name's stacey if
anyone actually cares) told me she could get her aunt to get me em's
autograph and maybe amy's as well. i'm sure most of you are still not
impressed, but i just about died and went to heaven! i'm still thrilled
about it! only trouble is, will stacey really be able to get me their
autograph? maybe, maybe not. but i just won't think of that right now. maybe
she's lying. won't think about that either. hmmm now i'm kinda down. i don't
know this chick! why the hell would she do anything for me unless she...oh
well! think positively right? yeah sure. whatever.

geeez the rest of my story seems really stupid now. i got in my car, turned
on the radio (a real radio station this time) and least complicated was on.
big deal now. maybe it's best to not analyze things at all. i won't get em's
autograph. for all i know, that stacey chick just borrowed a friend's shirt
and made up the entire story. god! why am i so stupid! won't be the first
time i got caught up in the idea of something. happens ever day it seems.
then reality hits, or your brain kicks in, or whatever, and your whole view
of everything just goes to pot. then everyone laughs and says "ha! that
stupid girl will trust anyone!" but i don't trust just anyone. if someone's
talking about the girls i just automatically assume she's on the level. but
in this case i could be wrong. what's the use of an autograph anyhow? now
i'm a cynic. i think i'll end this post before i start talking about the
meaning of life or before i get flamed for stupidity or both or neither or
just...yeah it's over. sorry...

distressed now,

jendy

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        "i want a party with rooms full of laughter,
         ten thousand tons of ice cream,
         and if i don't get the things i am after,
         i'm going to scream..."

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i slept in rainy canyonlands.  purely angelic.

chris ii

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on tue, 8 oct 1996, deb reiser wrote:

> i may get in trouble for saying this, but i'm going to do so anyway. why is
> it that some around here feel it is just peachy to shimmy their way to the
> front row with seemingly no regard for the folks who paid their money and
> had the good fortune to get prime seats? it's different if it's a general
> admission show and someone else saves some extra seats, but for a reserved
> show i think that kind of behavior sucks. maybe you had a legit seat up

hear, hear. being big fans doesn't give anyone the right to push their
way to the front. and i quite enjoy going to shows and focusing on the
performers and their performance without someone's dancing butt in my
face. often there are places off to the side of the stage where those who
want to dance can do so. i may be a grumpy old fan, but when i pay $25
for seats, i don't want to have to stand for an hour and a half.

call me crotchety,
k

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kristina cizas                           "trust only movement.
kcizas@cgrg.ohio-state.edu                life happens at the level of events
                                          not of words. trust movement."
       ~~~~~~~~~                                        -alfred adler
"oh you set up your place in my thoughts
moved in and made my thinking crowded..."
                  -emily saliers
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reply-to:     "amy j. putnam" <pegasus@crl.com>
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subject:      re: new orleans, bad fans
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> i may get in trouble for saying this, but i'm going to do so anyway. why is
> it that some around here feel it is just peachy to shimmy their way to the
> front row with seemingly no regard for the folks who paid their money and
> had the good fortune to get prime seats? it's different if it's a general
> admission show and someone else saves some extra seats, but for a reserved

i agree with deb here, excpet that i think shimmying at at a general
admission show also sucks.  like deb says, whil there are some
idiots in every crowd, regardless of who the perfomer  is, there
are probably even more people who stood in line for *hours* waiting
to see their favortie group, who have all the albums etc etc.  i
speak from the recent experience of hampton beach.  i got there
at 1:45 and there maybe 20 people between me and my group and
the front of the line, which included the stalwart deb and greg
and dwayne.  by the time the doors opened, that number swelled to easily
more than 100 people who just decided to clump tiogether nea the
front, totally disregarding the line of poeple behind them.  i've had
similar problems at just about every other gen admission show i have
been to for ig or melissa etheridge.  thedegree of self entitlement
is unbelievable.   i have also been to shows where i didnt have great
tickets and wasnt exactly pleased abotu it, but you know what,
i was still at the show and i still enjoyed it, even from crappy seats.
the lack of consideration at thes things amazes me.

it sucks, be it by fans or just wanna-be fans.

                          _________
amy p.                    \       /     who holds your hand
pegasus@crl.com            \     /      when you're alone
monk@world.std.com          \   /
the original photo monk      \ /                --patty larkin

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subject:      shimmying

>it's rather frustrating to see little teeny bopper
>girls with their new bmw's and gold cards from daddy get all the good
>seats,

hey!  now that is no way to talk about my step-mother.  although daddy to
her is my dad--but that's another story.

and a hearty "i agree" to deb.  i did not like the fact that the indiana
women next to me did not have a clue about ig, but i would have been irrate
if they didn't have a clue and shimmied up to steal others seats. if you
pay for the seats you are allowed to not have a clue.  it's unfair and lame
but you did pay.  shimmiers suck.  i agree with amy in regard to the
audacity some people have at these shows.  you get up at 6 am and wait all
day for good seats.  you call ticketbastard in nova scotia so you can beat
everyone in your time zone to get good seats.  if you don't do those things
and have bad seats then deal and stop shimmying.  basic respect.  and my
"you's" are directed to shimmiers in general and not any one specific
person.

and deb i've never seen you so irrate about an issue.  you go!

greg

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subject:      hoosiers
in-reply-to:  <199610081901.oaa28335@iris.iupui.edu> from "automatic digest
              processor" at oct 8, 96 03:02:16 pm

ok, i'm not a real hoosier, i just play one in grad. school.  i'm really
a ched (from wi), and there'e probably idiots there too.

good story about the drunken hoosiers though; i can totally visualize it
given the mentality of some of the people i've encountered in in.  but there
are a lot of good people too, and many that will pass the flamer/reiser
ig-fan-o-meter test!

sue

p.s. who knows what a "bubbler" is? :)

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subject:      (nigc) going to sf

indigo-ites:
i will be in san fran from 10/31 - 11/4 and was wondering if any of you
from that area can recommend any "must sees", or know of any concerts,
events or cool places that i should take in while i'm there?  any
suggestions would be appreciated.

amy-thoughts and emily dreams,
betsy

-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_
..you see turning off the light switch is their only power
      when we stand like spotlights in a mighty tower
                       all for one and one for all
                    then we sing the common call.....
                                                             e. saliers
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reply-to:     shanna freeman <sfreeman@coe.uga.edu>
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from:         shanna freeman <sfreeman@coe.uga.edu>
subject:      introducing myself

hey y'all--

i've been lurking on and off for a few weeks, just wanted to say hey. i've
liked ig for a bit...when i was in school in stone mountain, georgia i
first heard of them, asked my music teacher why she had an article taped to
her piano...she said "oh, these're some girls i went to school with at
shamrock". so a & e are from my hometown. i couldn't afford many cds for
quite awhile, just got so and 1200c about a month ago and they're great. i
think both a & e are wonderful, i'm more of an emily person. i'm
left-handed too, to allude to an earlier thread.

i'm in athens right now and loving it. =)

that's it...i'm waaay behind on digests so i have lots of catching up to do.

thanks.

shanna

sfreeman@coe.uga.edu

"oh mercy, what i won't give...to have the things that mean the most not to
mean the things i miss..." --es

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subject:      a "me too" and a boot question

hey all-  first of all i want to agree with deb and those who've
commented on line-cutters: when mandy and i got to newport this year at
the crack of dawn there were maybe 15 or 20 people already there, and
when many, many moons later we actually plopped ourselves down on the
shiny festival grass, we were nowhere near 20th from the front. but we
definitely had a blast anyway, so it was all good!
okay, now on to my question.  i seem to have acquired most of the boots
out there with names, i.e. purple parrot, blue food, color me grey (hmmm,
lots of color names), iwtoc, etc, as well as this year's big shows, nff,
nojf, blah blah blah. you get the picture.
however, what i'm kind of looking for now are some boots of just plain,
regular, average ig shows (if those words can be applied to such highly
excellent music!) any random show from any year would be great. do any of
you out there have individual shows that you particularly like that you'd
be willing to share with me?  i can trade the boots i mentioned above (i
have those plus a few more), or i can send you 2-for-1, or i am perfectly
willing to part with my eternal gratitude if you want that instead. :)
any takers? please?

peace,
amy

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subject:      complaining.....

everyone,

    come on now....i do sympathize with you about people not having
the same feelings about the ig as you, but were you not at the same
point at one time in your life?  we all were new ig fans at one
point, "learning the ropes" as well as the songs.  not all people
have the same opinion about all musicians as we/you do, or anything
for that matter.  give people a chance to make a decision on their
own.  don't worry, they will come around.  and if they don't then you
will know their opinion of the music and that's all there is to it!
                           with most love for the ig,
                           bethany

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  the other day i was at a rainbow alliance meeting and i saw a guy
with an ig shirt on. i immediately went over to talk to him. well, i lost
all hope because the minute he said "i like them but the dark one scares
me." i knew it just wasn't meant to be.
ben
"  we nuns know how to tell time because on the convent wall there
is a clock with the twelve apostles pasted on it. we all know that when the
big hand is on the john and the little hand is on the peter it's time for
us nuns to get down on their knees.................and pray."
-from "nunsense"

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subject:      kristen hall review (fwd) (slight igc)

forwarded from the folk_music list... (which, btw, is a great list for
finding out about cool but not-so-well-known artists!)

------------------begin forwarded message--------------------------------
date: tue, 8 oct 1996 11:41:46 -0400
from: shawn@xyvision.com (shawn linderman)
to: folk_music@nysernet.org
subject: concert review: barbara kessler, kristen hall, richard shindell and the burns
message-id: <v02140b03ae80177dcb5f@[149.96.1.251]>

<reviews of barbara kessler, richard shindell, and the burns sisters snipped>

next came kristen hall, former indigo girls guitar tech,
and a very personable performer and singer/songwriter
in her own right--the latter opinion formed by yours truly
by the end of her set! she captivated me quickly with her
very emotive low alto voice and her ability to "own" the
entire space surrounding her, including the audience.

by the way, she clarified her start in performing: amy ray
up and decided kristen and michele malone should write some
songs together. kristen objected saying that they didn't like
each other and that she didn't have a car. nevertheless,
amy drove her over to michele's, she and kristen wrote some
songs, michele recorded some of them, which led to kristen
getting published, then a recording contract...and that's how
she got her start.

and, by the way, kristen and michele are recording a new cd
together due out before the end of the year. i can't quite
figure out my notes here, but i think it's gonna be recorded
in eddie's in atlanta and be titled _hole in my head_, but
don't quote me on these details.

kristen's set list:
1. "so hard" -- nice harmonica interlude!
2. "if i could"
3. "long way down"
4. "out in the country" -- sparse on notes, long on nifty
   syncopation
5. "i gave everything"
6. "too long running"
7. "a million years"

i didn't get the title of her first encore, but she introduced
it as the only song she ever wrote just for herself. it contains
the lyrics "i am a navigator of the seas, i built the ocean with
my tears..."

her second encore she confided was about her recovery from drugs
in the late 80's. all her friends kept asking if she was alright.
so she wrote "it's all right". lyrics that caught my attention:
"sometimes i torture myself, but i don't take shit from anyone else."

--------------------end forwarded message------------------------------

that first encore would be "following my compass," btw. anybody else
think the concept of kh and mm doing an album together is really, really,
really cool? :d :d

cheers,
anne in indiana (ind-yana? *grin*)

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subject:      re: my own little bitch...some igc

my experience was at bumbershoot. we sat there for 4 hours before the show,
as i'm sure that many of you here did too, and just after phoebe snow ended
people started to creep up towards the front acting like they were looking
for someone and then just standing there in the little cracks between the
blankets of the people who were already there.
        we were then bombarded by teenagers who squeezed in front of us who ended
up looking clueless when everybody around them were singing because they
didn't know the words.
        and then, when we were practically getting intimate with the people around
us, and there was not an inch between any of the people in front of us,
these girls behind us were rudely trying to get by us to see if they could
get closer, they would have just ended up standing in front of us. we
wouldn't let them and so they got pissed at us and tried to be as obnoxious
as they could to make us let them by.
        but it was so frustrating that we put the all this time into waiting there
and then here come all these people, who don't even know who the girls are
anyways, shoving there way in front of us. i was so frustrated because i
couldn't see that i almost cried. i feel stupid about that now but it's
true.
        i've now learned for the next time, that to be able to see you have to get
there even before the last show ends you need to be outside the gates and
rush in when they open and get to the very front and stand for four hours.

hollie

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subject:      bad n.o. fans, tickets, seating, etc.

i was in the second row at the n.o. show right behind kristal, miranda, carolyn,
bert, et al., and also observed the "big deal, who cares" attitude of some folks
in the audience.  for all those who are asked by some non-fan to sit down so
they can see, my advice is to tell these boneheads that they are at a concert,
and "when in rome, do as the romans do."  these people really should get a clue.
like, why don't they just stay at home or go shop at wal-mart or something and
leave the tickets for the folks who really want to be there and who will enjoy it?
arrrgghhh!!!
and i must respectfully disagree with deb and others who share the viewpoint
that those who have the opportunity to "upgrade" their seats should instead
sit in the seat that they purchased.  sorry, i don't think so...thank you for
playing...we have some lovely parting gifts...   i originally bought lower-level
tickets at n.o.  at the show, i purchased a 10th row ticket from bert.  then
a couple of fellow listers motioned for me to come up front because two people
who held 2nd row seat never showed up.  as far as i'm concerned, if the venue
is allowing seats held by no-shows to be filled by people who hold tickets
for other seats (as was the case in n.o. and as is the practice at many places
none of which happen to be in nashville, but that's beside the point), then
go for it!!!!  if we devoted fans don't sit there, someone else will surely
occupy that seat.  i'll be damned if i'm gonna be made to feel that somehow i
should feel guilty just because i'm not sitting in the seat that i hold a ticket
for.  let's get real, people.  how many of you, if you held tickets for further
back and had the opportunity to move up front would say, "welllll...my tickets
are for the 30th row and that's where i should rightfully sit, because it just
wouldn't be right of me to occupy that empty seat up front."  yeah right.
also, another thing i don't entirely understand (though i'm trying) is the idea
that people who don't wait in line for hrs., and show up near showtime at a gen.
admission show have no "right" to make their way as far up front as possible.
maybe it's because i grew up going to rock shows, but i've never ever been to
a general admission show where you *didn't* try to get the best view possible.
obviously, you don't elbow and step on people, but find a good spot to stand.
i would never dream of standing/sitting in the way of someone who had already
set up camp in front of the stage.  but it's a little hard for me to understand
the concept of going to a general admission show and not trying to get a decent
view of the artist.  i haven't been to a general admission show in probably
10 years, and i usually try to avoid them, preferring reserved seating shows.
many people work full-time and don't have the luxury of taking a day off or
vacation day in order to stand in a spot and guard it for 10 hours.  those of
us who aren't able to arrive more than an hour before showtime have to do
the best we can.  after all, late comers pay the same ticket price that early
birds do.

so, flame away everyone!!!!!!

joan :-d

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subject:      re: bad n.o. fans, tickets, seating, etc.

on tue, 8 oct 1996 19:21:13 edt,  joan morrison
<103161.3515@compuserve.com> had the audacity to say:


>vacation day in order to stand in a spot and guard it for 10 hours.  those of
>us who aren't able to arrive more than an hour before showtime have to do
>the best we can.  after all, late comers pay the same ticket price that early
>birds do.

ok joan, you hit a nerve.   i see where you are coming from. but try this
vantage point.  i went to bumbershoot (a festival) on a saturday  - got
there an hour before the gates opened.  then rushed to the stadium where i
sat for another hour or more waiting for those gates to open (in the
company of other die-hard ig fans, mind you).  once in the stadium, i
waited about another hour for a band to come on stage (young fresh
fellows), then another band (reverend horton heat) and then another band
(the presidents of the united states).  i tried to remain in front of the
stage, but it turned into a mosh pit.  so in the spirit of
self-preservation, i moved to the side and waited for all those fans to
clear.  a massive transfer took place as the "presidents" fans left and the
ig fans moved in.  there was a good hour until the seattle mens chorus took
the stage.  after that was phoebe snow. then the girls appeared.  if you
think for one minute that i don't feel entitled to a good spot after the
perseveration it took to remain there, you're sadly mistaken.  and no one
who shows up an hour before show time will get to stand in front of me.
put yourself in this situation and see how it would feel.

now, i'm going to sit back and read what the true flame-artists have to
add. (deb, greg...?)

betsy


-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_
..you see turning off the light switch is their only power
      when we stand like spotlights in a mighty tower
                       all for one and one for all
                    then we sing the common call.....
                                                             e. saliers
_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-

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subject:      what would i do without amy ray?

have you ever had one of those days when everything touches your
emotions and sets them on fire?  well, i had one of those days today,
and it sucks.  i really needed a place to rant and rave this
afternoon, or at least curl up in my bed and escape for a while, but
i had to go to class.  y'know, to learn stuff.

finally, after all of my classes were over, i was able to go back to
my room.  i should have studied, but i was in no frame of mind to.
so, i pulled out my guitar and eased my frustrations by wailing out,
in my *very* ameturish way, strange fire.

every time i just need  a frustration releaving, rock 'n roll guitar
playin', string breaking song, that's the one to do it.

what would i do without amy ray? :)

anna

"a male gynecologist is like an auto mechanic
who has never owned a car."  -carrie snow

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y

on tue, 8 oct 1996 mjg333@aol.com wrote:

> ok, which sweetheart is going to be kind enough to make me a copy....willing
> to trade first born... :)
>
>
>
> mjg

sorry about this, but me too!  (except i have no first-born....)
the lone coyote

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subject:      re: new orleans, bad fans/ restated

okay...i had to go check the sources here...and i think what
we have is a failure to communicate.....

kristal (pookie wookie huny bunny :) said..

<<  i had managed to get myself down to the front row, thanks the
the wonderful miranda and carolyn, and was happily awaiting the girls, >>

i can see how this would cause some to believe that she scammed
her way up there...because she neglected to fill in the details of
the upgrade (which were known to joan (hi !) and myself (binky c. esq.).

and...

considering the strong felings about concert manners it was an
unfortunate ommission.....therefore deb would not have known
about the correlation between kristals good fortune and her own (thanks
to the benevolent stranger).
so my argument (although well stated :) does not have any bearing
because deb was under the impression that sweetie poo (k) "shimmyed"
when she actally 'upgraded'... which i'm can only assume all would agree
is a different matter.

are we all confused ?

good ! i expect a 2 page typewritten paper (double spaced) on my
desk tommorrow....from everyone...no exceptions (without a note
from your doctor)
well...back to the developement of feudal institutions in 9th century
europe !
(help meee !)
binky c. esq. (special vassal to the queen)

" ow ! stop it ! "
(bart simpson)

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subject:      re: what would i do without amy ray?

in a message dated 96-10-08 21:03:53 edt, you write:

>have you ever had one of those days when everything touches your
>emotions and sets them on fire?  well, i had one of those days today,
>and it sucks.  i really needed a place to rant and rave this
>afternoon, or at least curl up in my bed and escape for a while, but
>i had to go to class.  y'know, to learn stuff.

i second that.  i had such a shitty day, it was raining and i just wanted to
go home after lunch and curl up in my bed.  but that was at 10:30.  when i
finally arrived home at 6:30 after field hockey practice, and yearbook stuff
i finally just loaded my 5 disc changer with ig and put it on shuffle, and
left this world for a while.  they are my greatest release besides hitting
the wall.  when i hear amy ray belt out a tune, i am so moved that i either
grab my guitar and join in, or for the sake of my family, sit back and dream.
sorry my post is a little long, and a little pointless, but i just wanted to
share.

what would i do without amyray ( or emily for that matter)
peace
sasha

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from:         joan morrison <103161.3515@compuserve.com>
subject:      mooovin' along...

since we've been discussing "tangled up in blue" as of late, i was wondering,
is it just me or has anyone else noticed that if you listen to the second verse
just right, it sounds like emily is saying "we drove that *cow* as far as
we could...?"  maybe i've just got emily and cows on the brain...

peace and "keep them doggies rollin,"

joan :p

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subject:      nigc: ellen (fwd)

a friend of mine sent me the following which she recievied from one of
those peaceful, bible-thumpers we were discussing last week (no, i am not
indicting all religious people, please refrain from flaming).

peter a. barta
bartap@bulldog.georgetown.edu


"everything that i believe,             "i want to live as an honest man,
crawls from underneath the streets.      to get all i deserve,
everything i truly love,                 and to give all i can,
comes from somewhere high above."        and to love a young woman
                                         that i don't understand."
                        - amy ray
                                                - suzanne vega

---------- forwarded message ----------
from:    (bgzf40a) margaret pratcher
subject:         ellen
date:    10/04
time:    02:39 am

i think ellen needs to read the bible and understand that what jesus
means about a man being a man and a woman being a woman . to put it
simply, ellen needs jesus

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subject:      my nff, hte request

wow, you all are just *so* helpful!  i've been completely innundated with
messages from people willing to make tapes for me, so i've definitely found
what i was looking for. but in the immortal words of a&e, "thanks, y'all!"

kate.

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subject:      amy looks like...

alright, everyone,whip out  your back on the bus, y'all cds and try and tell
me that amy doesn't look like melissa etheridge.   just the way she is
standing there with her head down, guitar in hand reminds me of melissa.
they seem to have the same mannerisms.  anyone agree?  so let's see: amy
looks like melissa etheridge(to me), a beatle to some, and if i can remember
correctly didn't  someone once mention linda rodstant(sp?)?  i have never
heard of anyone looking like so many different people.  can anyone think of
another person amy ressembles?  she also looks like my neighbor but i don't
think anyone can back me up on that one.  trust me she is her twin, i  swear.

rebekah

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subject:      re: amy looks like...
in-reply-to:  <1.5.4.16.19961009020446.13772770@email.psu.edu>

ok, and in the ep recording of "never stop" who does amy sound like (for
a split second)???

that's right!  gloria estefon!  i swear it!  even my best friend who had
never heard that song before blurted it out before i could ask him who
she sounded like!  it was hilarious!!!

renee

* ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ *

"the same sun that warms your heart    "the beautiful ladies walk right by
will suck the good earth dry..."       ya know i never know what to say!"
       "get out the map"                       "shame on you"
        by emily saliers                        by amy ray

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don't hate me, but on the uptown lounge video at least, i think amy looks
like alison from melrose place, courtney thorn smith or whatever her name
is.. just when she smiles...

amy (hey, people have told me i look like punky brewster)

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subject:      re: new orleans, bad fans

in a message dated 96-10-08 15:07:50 edt, deb writes:

<< i may get in trouble for saying this, but i'm going to do so anyway. why
is
it that some around here feel it is just peachy to shimmy their way to the
front row with seemingly no regard for the folks who paid their money and
had the good fortune to get prime seats?  >>

while deb has valid point...i think it is not relevant to this particular
situation.
as a friend of carolyn, miranda and kristal i must say that i was there and
they didn't scam on the seats....kristal got the same gift from c & m
that deb n' greg did in from the guy in the cool story earlier :)
it was like joan, said they reserved seats for vips(who never showed)
and comp tix in case they double sold a seat..and..as hard as it is
for me to believe..some folks just plain left before ig came on...
so then...why would it be ok to take the ticket from the benevolent
stranger at the place (i forget where) but not okay for kristal to accept
an upgrade from m & c ??? am i missing something here ?
oh well.....

kristal is my good buddy and interprative dance partner and i'm afraid
i can't allow any unjust dumping on her cute person :)

love !!!

binkyclaire

(yasureyoubetcha !)

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subject:      re: world cafe boot?

in a message dated 96-10-08 13:58:58 edt, you write:

<< in a message from:    andrea lipman <ablipman@sas.upenn.edu>
>everything worked out well today...two people taped world cafe for me!

cool!  any chance of getting a copy for a fellow philadelphian?
  >>

...ahem.....dare i say..i think a tape tree is in order here.

thankyou, and goodnight.

binkee ( on behalf of the listers from the great state of warshington
             and other places that do not get world cafe:)

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subject:      help! ctf chords

o.k. all you guitar (or "gee-tawr" as my roommate says) players out
there, please help me to stop butchering closer to fine.  i don't think
i'm playing it correctly at the part where the lyrics are:

and the best thing you've ever done for me
is to help me take my life less seriously.....

what are the chords there?  is it something and then "c" ?????help!
i must know!

i figure it's something really easy but i can't get it!
thanks, gregg

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subject:      re: it's so nice to know...

allison

>hi,
>
>i just wanted to pop in and say that it's so nice to know that i'm not the
>only mac lover out there.  if you have to ask what mac stands for, email me
>and i'll give you more details than you'd ever hope to know :)
>
> bye, allison l.


i'll certainly take this one off line - i surely assume you are refering to
your computer - if not fill me in with that gory detail - and then i will
engage you in digital dialogue on either topic.

hmmmm - i am tired, stressed and the yoghurt for lunch has made be very
silly!!!

sue

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my heart might."  wendy bucklew

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subject:      poor susan!!!

susan:

i feel for ya......all the way up there in rainy, miserable new england, and
all these guys can do is insult, offend, and otherwise irk the crap out of
you!

be kind, fellow humans!  susan saved an ig vinyl for me for weeks and months
and days.

besides, she knows the words and history of the ig!!!!  even if she is from
indiana!  :)  <smirk>

peace and smiles!

karrie  :)

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subject:      re: amy looks like...
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well she does look my partner and they both have that wonderful low voice.
tough being me isn't it?  as far as what famous person she looks like, i
don't know.

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subject:      movin to the front!

ok, ok, so it is wrong to shimmy my ass to the front of an ig concert if my
seats are in the back...there is not real justification except for the fact
that i am 5'3" and the cornell concert was in baron hal, which is an old        airplane hanger that the government used in ww2 to store huge planes.  it
know is home to an indoor track.  all the prices for the seats were the same.
and i couldn't see.  anything!  amy and emily and k's choice were teenytiny
little microscopic amoeba (ok, so amoeba is not a good choice of word, but
you get the idea...)  i had never seen the girls before.....i had to see them
upclose....

so i lied....so i faked losing my ticket with my buddy kathy...so, when the
security guy wasn't looking we slowly danced our way up the aisle.....so
i finally made it to the stage and amy almost stepped on my fingers and i
ripped my brand new thermal on the nail inthe stage beating the rhythm out
to ctf.....so, i was bad.....please forgive me....

but at least i know the words and names to the songs!
(except that dumb post i put up uesterday where i called lotk....yamotttw)

smiles to all-

karrie

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subject:      you want to read this (maybe?)

ok, i've saved my money long enough, i had to blow some. i'm trying to
save so i can maybe follow the girls on spring break or over summer.
anyways, i bought 1200 curfews and it rocks, so far. i'm glad my
roomate's not here, cuz i'm singing and dancing with it turned up loud.
i overheard someone say they bought the new ig cd today. i thought i was
the ig goddess of hsu. was he talking about honor? map's not out yet.
please mail me back. i'm now interested and ready to get boots, i have
0. does anyone have any info? thanx--patiently awaiting for my shirt so
i can sport it around school. i'm a proud fan. i went to walmart to get
rop, they had it last time i was there, and i thought i was the only ig
fan in abilene. wow ghost is playing, shiver, shiver:-)

i"m glad i spent my money

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subject:      re: it's so nice to know...

priority       normal
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allison

>hi,
>
>i just wanted to pop in and say that it's so nice to know that i'm not the
>only mac lover out there.  if you have to ask what mac stands for, email
me
>and i'll give you more details than you'd ever hope to know :)
>
> bye, allison l.


i'll certainly take this one off line - i surely assume you are refering to
your computer - if not fill me in with that gory detail - and then i will
engage you in digital dialogue on either topic.

hmmmm - i am tired, stressed and the yoghurt for lunch has made be very
silly!!!

sue

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subject:      re: it's so nice to know...that i'm so stupid

please bandwidth riders, forgive me as i grovel and apologise for sending
the same message twice when i was actually trying to conserve bandwidth and
i think i left mey work sig on.

forgive me allision, forgive me all.

sue (with her sig exposed for justifiable flaming)

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subject:      more on amy look-a-likes

amytryon@phoenix.princeton.edu wrote:

>  i think amy looks
like alison from melrose place, courtney thorn smith or whatever her name
is.. just when she smiles...

i got alison vibes, too.

and a friend of mine insists that sometimes, especially with shorter hair,
amy looks like a brown-haired version of gillian anderson, who plays none
other than agent dana scully on the x-files (in case there are any x-impaired
listers out there).  i don't really see it, though, but thought i'd pass it
along anyway...

donna
college of engineering
rutgers university, new brunswick, nj

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subject:      ig on a rainy new england day/ar+me comparison

hello to all in indigo land!

well, on a rainy (actually pouring) crisp new england day, i took a
2 hour walk in the rain and dark listening to the mesa az and santa fe nm
boots.  it felt so good to just walk around, no crowded streets, singing
ig songs.  i was so immersed in the music i could have walked for several
more hours, the pouring rain didn't even phase me.  what a freeing experience.

on the amy looking like melissa etheridge thread, i have an old photo of
me, i'm guessing from 1985 or so, and she looks like amy did in 1985.
i swear, they could pass for sisters in that photo.  i wonder if me changed
her look early on cause someone noticed a similarity between the two and
she didn't want to be mistaken (especially with the deep voice, the guitar
playing woman musician, and the similar look).  any opinions?

on a happy note, i was in my local record store picking up some blank tapes
today when i went over to the ig section (which i always do by habit, and
there are usually the normal stuff there) well, i picked up a radio promo
of ghost for $6.  i was thrilled cause this is my favorite emily song, and
i love to collect singles and other rare ig stuff.

that kind of ties in with my favorite layered vocal input.  i do love
the "don't tell a soul" in ghost and the layering in "love will come
to you" for emily songs and "center stage" and "reunion".


take care and peace y'all!

-deb

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reply-to:     jennifer l hall <jenhall@juno.com>
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from:         jennifer l hall <jenhall@juno.com>
subject:      re: bad n.o. fans, tickets, seating, etc.

the n.o. show had many no-shows - and i think just about everyone moved
up.  my husband and i did move, but, like i said,  there were many seats
to be had.  but if that were not the case, i agree w/ deb.  if i spend
$75 for a pair of tickets and show up late due to something beyond my
control, i better damn well get the seats i paid for.  and if there's
someone in my seats after paying $25 for bad seats, they'd better leave.


now my question to those that disagree w/ deb.  if you were approached by
the original ticket holders....would you move?

no flame intended joan.
- jen hall

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subject:      amy's appearance

who does amy look like?

well i've never really thought about it, but as to how she looks....beautiful always worked for me.

..still mentally dancing barefoot in the mud...
greta

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subject:      re: new orleans, bad fans

>so then...why would it be ok to take the ticket from the benevolent
>stranger at the place (i forget where) but not okay for kristal to accept
>an upgrade from m & c ??? am i missing something here ?
>oh well.....

just to clarify, the benevolent stranger in my story was a member of the ig
entourage. he had credentials on. in addition, he handed us actual tickets
for the seats we could move up to.

ok, so no shimmying occured in no , but who charged the folks up front with
the power to offer reserved seats to other people?  sorry, but there's a
big difference between the two situations.

>kristal is my good buddy and interprative dance partner and i'm afraid
>i can't allow any unjust dumping on her cute person :)

i'm not picking on kristal. what i'm doing is questioning the attitude of
some folks around here. it's an attitude of:

     i'm a really big fan, bigger than you, so i deserve to be close up.
and if i want
      to dance, and scream then dammit, i'm going to dance and scream and
totally
     disregard the feelings of those around me because schucks, if you
don't want to dance
     and scream then you should be shopping at the wal-mart on the
outskirts of town.
     and on top of it, if i show up five minutes before show time, i paid
just as much money as
     you for a ticket so i deserve to sham my way to the front because
dammit, like i said,
     i'm a really big fan.  and i don't care if you drove 982 miles in 18
hours to be here and
     sat in line for 6 hours, this is a concert and all manners are checked
in the parking
     lot along with your lovely parting gifts.

that's what got me. i think the absence of manners and the justification i
hear for it stinks. this isn't about security people asking you to stay
seated. that's a different subject all together. this is about the human
being behind you who may be more of a reserved fan, or a new fan or a big
fan of someone else performing that night who can't see or hear what's
going on or can't even be comfortable in the seat they paid for because
scammers are tucked in the row. sorry, but the rules of common courtesy
don't change simply because you're at a concert.

(was that ok betsy?:)

deb

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subject:      sigc: ladyslipper music.

having been unsubscribed to the list for awhile, i'm not sure if this
place has been mentioned or not. a friend of mine at work gave me a
catalog for a place called ladyslipper music in durham, nc. in looking
through the table of contents, i was pleasantly surprised to find that it
caters mostly to women's music, spirituality, new age, feminist, etc. they
have all of the ig cds available, as well as honor2, the soundtrack to
jcs, and some of our other favorites. <smile>

just in case anyone's interested, they're now online and have a homepage,
the address to which follows:

        http://www.ladyslipper.org

if anyone wants the mailing address for the catalog itself, send me email
privately and i'll send it off to you.

liz

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subject:      just wanted to say hello

hello to y'all!
        i've been on the list for about 3 weeks now, but i've been
'lurking' in the back getting the hang of it all (the whole list thing is
new to me). i have
been trying to track down bootlegs for quite a while now, but finding them
in so. california is nearly impossible. luckily i now have a sister in
decatur, ga
mailing me stuff from rainy day records so i will soon have a few things to
trade (ig and melissa etheridge). but i was wonderingif anyone out there would
be so generous as to let me get a copy of some of the new songs (it's alright,
get out the map, shame on you) because i am finding it hard to put in my
two cents when i haven't heard the new stuff. maybe i could dig up
something to trade for? thanks!

one of the best ig fans in the western us...
sherri

ps- anyone know any details about the honor press release in la? where,
when, etc? =)

when in danger, when in doubt
run in circles, scream and shout.
=0

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subject:      the natural life cycle of mailing lists (fwd)

in light of recent...ahhh...discomfort on this list, i thought i would
post this amusing (and so true!) explanation of why we get our panties in
a bunch.  (this wouldn't happen if you all would just admit i'm right!  :)
:)


the natural life cycle of mailing lists

every list seems to go through the same cycle:

1.  initial enthusiasm (people introduce themselves, and gush alot about
    how wonderful it is to find kindred souls).

2.  evangelism (people moan about how few folks are posting to the list,
    and brainstorm recruitment strategies).

3.  growth (more and more people join, more and more lengthy threads
    develop, occasional off-topic threads pop up).

4.  community (lots of threads, some more relevant than others; lots of
    information and advice is exchanged; experts help other experts as
    well as less experienced colleagues; friendships develop; people
    tease each other; newcomers are welcomed with generosity and
    patience; everyone -- newbie and expert alike -- feels comfortable
    asking questions, suggesting answers, and sharing opinions).

5.  discomfort with diversity (the number of messages increases
    dramatically; not every thread is fascinating to every reader;
    people start complaining about the signal-to-noise ratio; person 1
    threatens to quit if *other* people don't limit discussion to
    person 1's pet topic; person 2 agrees with person 1; person 3
    tells 1 & 2 to lighten up; more bandwidth is wasted complaining
    about off-topic threads than is used for the threads themselves;
    everyone gets annoyed).

6a. smug complacency and stagnation (the purists flame everyone who asks
    an 'old' question or responds with humor to a serious post;
    newbies are rebuffed; traffic drops to a doze-producing level of a
    few minor issues; all interesting discussions happen by private
    email and are limited to a few participants; the purists spend
    lots of time self-righteously congratulating each other on keeping
    off-topic threads off the list).

or

6b. maturity (a few people quit in a huff; the rest of the participants
    stay near stage 4, with stage 5 popping up briefly every few
    weeks; many people wear out their second or third 'delete' key,
    but the list lives contentedly ever after).


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date:         wed, 9 oct 1996 00:30:28 -0700
reply-to:     kristina <andrade@az.com>
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from:         kristina <andrade@az.com>
subject:      nigc: rosie (shawn colvin & gillian)

hey did anyone else catch shawn colvin on rosie the other day? the new
song was a bit repetitive ("get out of this house" or whatever over and
over) but it was funny when she and rosie were talking after the song. hey
dont flame me, i have all her other cds and i love her music, the new song
just didnt do it for me. rosie made a big deal about mentioning fat city
and steady on a couple times but she didnt mention cover girl. weird.

anyway!!!

wednesday gillian anderson from x-files is going to be on and i know
there's gotta be a lot of gillian fans on this list. my vcr is set. :)

kristina

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date:         wed, 9 oct 1996 08:06:55 ut
reply-to:     camille kearl <sasscambo@msn.com>
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subject:      michelle malone/upcoming ig boot

i just got this latest bit of information from perry at rdr and thought that i
would pass it on to the list.

i have a beautiful copy of new experience on the original aluminum jane
label (vinyl, of course) with the insert signed by michelle (and her
drawing of the little man she loves so much).  also included in the package
is her first promo photograph -- an original b&w 8x10 glossy signed by the
dear lady herself.  the cover has been preserved with the stuff libraries
use to restore rare documents and the vinyl has been professionally cleaned
using a top-of-the-line vpi cleaner (the one with the built-in vacuum
cleaner).  both the autographed insert and the autographed 8 x 10 have been
sealed in the lp to keep fingerprints and dust off the photos as well as
the vinyl.  the entire package sells for $150. if you know anyone who might
be interested please give them my email address or 800 phone number
(1-800-636-6166).   we also have a clean, signed new experience on the
original label without the insert for $80 and a signed relentless on vinyl
for $60.  for you not them has been reissued by michelle and we have them
on cd only for $14.95.  she plans to reissue the swinging christmas at the
attic on cd this year -- don't know what the price will be, probably in the
$12.95 to $14.95 range.  we have the daemon release of new experience on cd
with the extra tracks for $13.95 and the dutch release of redemption dream
with the 4 bonus tracks (one features amy and emily on cortez the killer)
for $24.95.  well that's about it for michelle stuff -- if you know anyone
who would be interested in any, please give them my info.

coming in november:
  levees that break in my heart: early recordings, volume 2
      this will feature the original studio version of high horse, some
      b band material and plenty of surprises (including a hidden
      track).  from original sources, this is the perfect companion
      piece to the ep and more.

i am psyched about the the second vol. of early recordings!!!  if it is even
half as good as the ep and more we are in for a real treat!
hope everyone is having a splendid day!
cami

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date:         wed, 9 oct 1996 02:49:31 -0600
reply-to:     greg matthew flamer <gflame@nwu.edu>
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from:         greg matthew flamer <gflame@nwu.edu>
subject:      re: bad n.o. fans, tickets, seating, etc.

joan wrote:

> at the show, i purchased a 10th row ticket from bert.  then
>a couple of fellow listers motioned for me to come up front because two people
>who held 2nd row seat never showed up.  as far as i'm concerned, if the venue
>is allowing seats held by no-shows to be filled by people who hold tickets
>for other seats (as was the case in n.o. and as is the practice at many places
>none of which happen to be in nashville, but that's beside the point), then
>go for it!!!!  if we devoted fans don't sit there, someone else will surely
>occupy that seat.  i'll be damned if i'm gonna be made to feel that somehow i
>should feel guilty just because i'm not sitting in the seat that i hold a
>ticket
>for.  let's get real, people.  how many of you, if you held tickets for further
>back and had the opportunity to move up front would say, "welllll...my tickets
>are for the 30th row and that's where i should rightfully sit, because it just
>wouldn't be right of me to occupy that empty seat up front."  yeah right.

ok there is a difference in your situation and the one deb is describing
imo.  you went up to occupy seats that were empty because people had left.
this is not something i have a major problem with.  if the seat is clearly
empty and not being occupied by someone else then whoever sits there
doesn't bug me.  what bugs me (and i think deb and others who commented)
are the folks who have no empty seats to take up and would rather cram up
the aisle and stand directly in front of my view.  this i have a problem
with.  and at general admissions shows i have no prob with people saving
spots for their friends.  but as amy p said about the hampton beach show,
it was quite unfair that people came right off the streets an hour before
the show and got in before us who had been there all day.  they are plain
rude.  that is different than moving up into clearly empty seats and moving
up to seats saved by a friend who was waiting equally as long as me.

>also, another thing i don't entirely understand (though i'm trying) is the idea
>that people who don't wait in line for hrs., and show up near showtime at
>a gen.
>admission show have no "right" to make their way as far up front as possible.
>maybe it's because i grew up going to rock shows, but i've never ever been to
>a general admission show where you *didn't* try to get the best view possible.
>obviously, you don't elbow and step on people, but find a good spot to stand.
>i would never dream of standing/sitting in the way of someone who had already
>set up camp in front of the stage.  but it's a little hard for me to understand
>the concept of going to a general admission show and not trying to get a decent
>view of the artist.

the point was as you state here: no elbowing and stomping others on your
way up.  but i don't see how you can shimmy on up to get the best view at a
general admissions show without elbowing people and moving in front of
their camp.  i mean the fact that you say you should be able to move "as
far up as possible" implies moving in front of others who have been there.
so i see that you don't mean to get in people's ways or offend anyone.  but
it is inevitable if you choose to move up at a place with general
admissions.  we had people walking all over our stuff at nff (and right
over our shoe barrier--the gall!!).  and they were probably all really well
intentioned people like yourself.  but with wall to wall blankets and
people, moving up implies pushing and being disrespectful based solely on
space issues alone.

>many people work full-time and don't have the luxury of taking a day off or
>vacation day in order to stand in a spot and guard it for 10 hours.  those of
>us who aren't able to arrive more than an hour before showtime have to do
>the best we can.

i assume doing the best you can doesn't imply cutting and disregarding
those who have taken the day off.  and some of us do work full time believe
it or not.  but we chose to take the day off (weekend off) to get good
seats.  that is the point.  die-hard fans will take off the weekend to see
ig and get good seats.  sorry if your job doesn't allow that.  get a new
job :).    therefore i feel we deserve to not be cut in line by those who
chose not to do so or by anyone for that matter.  it has little to do with
our jobs.  and it doesn't mean that the late comers aren't good fans or any
of that.  if i am willing to sacrifice a weekend of work and others aren't
or can't --that is not my problem.

betsy chimed in:

>now, i'm going to sit back and read what the true flame-artists have to
>add. (deb, greg...?)

i'm not sure i like the title of true flame artist :) :)  i hope this
didn't seem like a flame.  i always manage to insult someone with every
post.  sorry to people who thought i was amy, sorry to people who like to
post nigc, sorry to people from indiana, sorry to all newbies i make fun
of.  that should cover everyone.  i think i am going to go back to lurking
for awhile...


not!


bye now.

greg

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date:         wed, 9 oct 1996 00:59:48 -0700
reply-to:     pamela shaw <sparkle@primenet.com>
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from:         pamela shaw <sparkle@primenet.com>
subject:      re: amy looks like...

oddly enough, amy looks like my mom!!!  (difficult to have indecent thoughts
about someone who looks like my mom- but sometimes possible!) ;)

peace

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date:         wed, 9 oct 1996 04:35:38 edt
reply-to:     gail anthony <101635.715@compuserve.com>
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from:         gail anthony <101635.715@compuserve.com>
subject:      swicking the queue (my 2p worth)

just thought i'd add my thoughts on the queue swicking debate.  i came over from
scotland this summer to see igs.  at newport, i (and many other people on the
list - hi deb, dwayne, greg, bert...etc) arrived there at around 6am (and saw
sunrise) to start queueing.  so, ok, i got a pretty decent spot :)  but just
before the girls came on stage, people were trying to get in front of me "ooh
its our first ig concert..blah, blah, blah".  "couldn't we just stand in that
wee space in front of you?"  it was my first ig concert too but that doesn't
mean i would push in front of all those people in front of me who had also been
there all day.  its just not polite.

ok, next day, off to hampton beach.  i can only say that i agree wholeheartedly
with what amy wrote.  it seems the people in front of her in the queue had been
keeping places for the whole state of new hampshire.  still, the seat i got
wasn't that bad - had a fairly good view of the stage. :)  about 1/4 way through
the show, bert told me he had a seat for me at the front (some of the vip seats
were empty and i think one of the band "entourage" had taken pity on the g.a.
fans).  if this offends anybody, i'm sorry.

2 days later and i'm back queueing again, this time for the nyc gig at roseland.
again, people are trying to swick the queue.  only this time i have had enough
and when 3 or 4 lassies "claim" to have been kept a space in front of me i point
blank refuse to let them in (and that's the clean version!).  then, when i'm
actually in the venue, listening to emily playing the piano, a very drunken
woman pushes her way in front of me and starts screaming and shouting.  <sigh>.
eventually i "persuade" her to move - i knew all those muscles i got from karate
training would come in useful one day !! :)

i'm not going to say that people don't jump the queue in scotland - they do -
but never so blatantly.  most shows are general admission and i'm a short-arse,
so i'm always having to queue for hours to get a decent spot.  but i would
never, ever swick the queue myself.

toodles :)

gail

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date:         wed, 9 oct 1996 11:06:37 +0100
reply-to:     indigo jo <mts5@aber.ac.uk>
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from:         indigo jo <mts5@aber.ac.uk>
subject:      re: amy looks like...
x-to:         pamela shaw <sparkle@primenet.com>
in-reply-to:  <199610090759.aaa15788@primenet.com>

on wed, 9 oct 1996, pamela shaw wrote:

> oddly enough, amy looks like my mom!!!  (difficult to have indecent thoughts
> about someone who looks like my mom- but sometimes possible!) ;)
>

hehe - i remember seeing a photo of amy and emily with nanci griffith in
acoustic guitar magazine about a year ago, and i could have sworn the pic of
amy was my aunt!

mat

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date:         wed, 9 oct 1996 12:10:01 +0100
reply-to:     julian knopf <stripe@oasis.icl.co.uk>
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from:         julian knopf <stripe@oasis.icl.co.uk>
subject:      re: in defense of ctf
in-reply-to:  <961008135533_328719323@emout13.mail.aol.com>

> yes, well the girls have opened their show many times with ctf...julian ,
> where are you ? :)  and several times in addition to the show he has....just
> seems odd tho.
>
> jude :) <==fondly remembering dancing to ctf in the rain at nff '95
>
well seeing as jude has decided to wobble the rock i am currently hiding
under. i have to infact, as requested, agree with this. it does have to
be said thou' that these are quite old shows, probibally from when ctf
was a hit. these days if i heard ctf in the middle of the show i'd think
it was coming to the end... that said, newport this year had ctf in the
middle didn't it ??

later
jules
ps> jude how are ya !

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date:         wed, 9 oct 1996 08:20:49 -0700
reply-to:     anna whipkey <awhipkey@purdue.edu>
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from:         anna whipkey <awhipkey@purdue.edu>
organization: purdue university
subject:      re: hoosiers

i'm proud to come out as a hoosier.  not all rude and obnoxious people live
in indiana.  in fact i've heard that alot of them live in chi-cha-ga.

anna
the hoosier

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reply-to:     sherlyn koo <sherlyn@fl.net.au>
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from:         sherlyn koo <sherlyn@fl.net.au>
subject:      re: swicking the queue (my 2p worth)

hey folks,

gail said:
>wee space in front of you?"  it was my first ig concert too but that doesn't
>mean i would push in front of all those people in front of me who had also been
>there all day.  its just not polite.

that's one thing i noticed about the crowd at newport - it seemed very, well,
teenybopper, and there was definitely the associated lack of manners going
on.  walking on our blanket, kicking our shoes around, standing wherever
they felt like it.  annoying!  and not what i've come to associate with the term
"folk festival" at all.

and re the nyc show:
>blank refuse to let them in (and that's the clean version!).  then, when i'm
>actually in the venue, listening to emily playing the piano, a very drunken
>woman pushes her way in front of me and starts screaming and shouting.  <sigh>.
>eventually i "persuade" her to move - i knew all those muscles i got from
karate
>training would come in useful one day !! :)

gail, you even scared me when you got that woman to move. :)  of course,
she moved to stand behind me and kept grabbing me every time she lost her
balance (and she was pretty drunk, so it happened a few times).  i tell you, if
i were telekinetic, that woman would've ended up in hudson bay right quick.
the drunken woman experience, combined with the fact that once we were in
our little sardine space i could barely turn around, really spoilt the evening
for me.  objectively i know i had a good time while i was in there, but looking
back on the nyc show all i can remember is how my feet hurt, how tired i
was, and how annoying that drunk woman was.  bad fans suck!

on the other hand though, i really had a great time at hampton beach before
that.  i think maybe it was the company... hehe.  (btw everyone, greg flamer's
about the cutest guy you're ever likely to see, so i'd trust his opinion about
the flamer/reiser-ised women... :)

tired, grumpy and feeling guilty about not being asleep,
sherlyn :)

ps - anna and amy - i seem to have lost both your addresses but i got all the
tapes you guys sent.  thank you!!
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- sherlyn koo - sherlyn@fl.net.au -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
"and the best ones were the ones i got to keep as i grew strong,
and the days that opened up until my whole life could belong;
it's like getting the answers when i don't need them anymore,
i'm finding the pictures, and i finally know what i kept them for.
i remember..."                              - dar williams

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date:         wed, 9 oct 1996 11:02:22 -0400
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from:         lorali7@aol.com
subject:      re: in light of recent flamage.

i'm with kim (signing off the list)!  while i did learn some valuable info on
the girls-i can't take the volume of mail and get tired of hitting delete
over and over again.  in fact, it got to the point i learned which names to
delete, particularly those of you who cannot resist to add your two cents
worth to everything and pat your friends on the back.  flame away!
lori

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date:         wed, 9 oct 1996 09:31:25 -0500
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from:         "margaret a. wilson" <mwilson@indy.net>
subject:      world cafe re-broadcast

hi all,

i just called wxpn in philadelphia to see if it was possible to get a
cassette copy of the girls' segment on world cafe (you can't) and i found
out that they will be having another broadcast of this show on thursday,
october 10, between 9:00 p.m. and 10:00 p.m.

all you lucky listees who live within the signal range of wxpn can now
get your tape decks ready!

take care,

maggie

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date:         wed, 9 oct 1996 11:13:23 -0500
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subject:      amy ray looks like.....

hey ya'll,

amy looks like my best friend's sister shel.

no lie!  i swear to god!  i wish i had a web page, because i would scan her
photo and show all of you!

karrie

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subject:      tape trees

hi

first a big thanks to jude and all her dubbers for the outstanding job they
have done on the tape trees.  they have devoted a lot of time and energy
into making shows widely available.

i have a lot of high quality shows that i would like to share and it seems
like there is demand for them out there, but am not able to invest the time
to set up and administer trees for them.  if there are some people out there
who would be interested in setting up and administering trees, and know for
certain that they have the time and energy to make a commitment to running
one, i would be able to provide seed tapes.  i thought maybe if we set up a
tree that worked through the old stuff (blue food. color me grey, etc) and
maybe one or possibly more than one to go through some of the other years
that we could provide a lot of variety and share the dubbing load a bit more
evenly.  i would prefer having the administrators be people with past tree
experience, just so they have a better idea of what they are getting in to.
please give it some thoguht before you respond, it is a lot of work.

anyway, if you are interested in running a tree (please, no offers to be
branches, i will leave the setting up of the trees to the individual
administrators) please email me privately and we will see what we can get
going.  also, please, no requests for trades, i am not in a position to make
them right now.

one final note, if you are looking for ig info, we have an unofficial web
page with a lot of articles and set lists and lyrics at:
http://www.hidwater.com/lifeblood

at there is a lot of atlanta artist info at:
http://www.hidwater.com

best wishes

carolyn

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from:         enhiver <enhiver@singnet.com.sg>
subject:      re : complaining...

bethany wrote :
    <<come on now....i do sympathize with you about people not having
the same feelings about the ig as you, but were you not at the same
point at one time in your life?  we all were new ig fans at one
point, "learning the ropes" as well as the songs.  not all people
have the same opinion about all musicians as we/you do, or anything
for that matter.  give people a chance to make a decision on their
own.  don't worry, they will come around.  and if they don't then you
will know their opinion of the music and that's all there is to it!>>

thank you beth, i have to admit that several years ago, i went to my very
first concerts of ig, ferron & melissa etheridge after reading rave reviews
in newspapers. i did not own even 1 of their albums then nor have i heard
any of their songs before (needless to say, after the shows i ran to the
nearest record store still opened & bought as many of their releases as my
wallet allowed ;-)) .

for all my "1st. times", i was fortunate enough to have sat beside
extremely generous & patient hard-core fans (you could just tell by the
lyrics they'd memorized & how they all seemed to know one another
everywhere they turned) who tolerated all my stupid questions eg. "what
kind of songs does she (m.e.) sing ?" and yes i admit... i actually did
asked "umm.. which one is emily & which is amy ?"

now this will probably get some of you crying "injustice!!", for i did have
seats within the first 10 rows for all my "1st. times". but hey ! i did pay
a bundle for them !!
as bethany have said, we've all been the uninitiated once. if there had
been a rule that yet-to-be-fans couldn't get good seats, maybe i wouldn't
have had such awesome 1st. time experiences that led to my lightning
initiation !

that said, i also have to speak up for what i believe in (though i can
smell the flames from 10 miles away :-0) -- ie. if you cannot find nice
people in the front rows who are willing to share their seats with you, or
aisle space where you won't be blocking others' view, then please do not
"work your way" to the front & block their view in front of the stage. even
if you have paid for good seats, people behind you paid for their seats
too. if they prefer to sit & enjoy the performers comfortably, please do
not deny them the right to do so. now what about "i paid for my seat,
please do not deny me the right to stand up & dance" ? i don't know, maybe
one can ask to swap seats with the person behind. but if all the folks 10
rows behind you prefer to sit while you want to dance (i seriously doubt
that will happen), you'll end up way behind your original row ! hahaha!! i
don't know, anybody want to help me out here ?!

sorry folks, for my obsession with concert etiquettes, i just have to say
what i believe.

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date:         wed, 9 oct 1996 11:47:56 -0400
reply-to:     "b. john pryslak" <bjp155@psu.edu>
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from:         "b. john pryslak" <bjp155@psu.edu>
subject:      kristen hall (nigc)

i've noticed several posts concerning recent kristen hall concerts. i'm
assuming she's touring, if so does anyone have a tour schedule for her?
thanks
john

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date:         wed, 9 oct 1996 11:46:25 edt
reply-to:     tamara mizell <103660.214@compuserve.com>
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subject:      nigc:  dar williams boots?

hi everyone!

well, as long as i'm making requests, i figure i might as well send another one.
sorry for all of those who hate nigc, but i figured you'd have deleted by now.
:)

does anyone have any dar boots that they'd be willing to trade for (or i can
send a blank)?

also, does anyone know the chords for iowa or family or christians... or any
other cool dar song??  i really want to play some of these.

okay, that's it.  i'll leave everyone alone now.

have a good one!

tamara

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date:         wed, 9 oct 1996 11:46:29 edt
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subject:      nigc:  world cafe -- shawn colvin?

hi folks!

i know there are some shawn colvin fans out there and i was wondering if any of
you taped the world cafe show that she was on a few days before ig were on.  if
so, i'd very much like a copy (*hint, hint*).  i'm willing to trade you
something or send a blank tape.  please contact me if you're willing to make me
one.

have a great day everyone!

tamara

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subject:      indigo video tapes??

hi folks!

i hope everyone is having a splendid day!

i was just wondering if anyone out there had video tape of ig on such shows as:
1) austin city limits (i know that there is at *least* one occasion where they
were on with nanci griffith and mary chapin),
2) david letterman (i remember seeing them on there around the time that boys on
the side came out, if i'm not mistaken), or
3) other cool appearances.

i'm willing to trade (if i have something you want), send a vhs tape or whatever
if some of you will make me a copy.

i'd be very, very appreciative!!

joy to the world and peace on earth and all that, :)
tamara

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subject:      rain, sadness, and wishing for emily to inspire self-esteem

hello listers.....

i know we really aren't having a big sotd thread, but i need to chat a little
about "love will come to you."  i am so sad today.....i fell in love with
one of my best friends.....he is sweet and funny and great, and for the first
time in my life, i have loved someone who is good for me, who is a healthy
person, who i was friends with first....only i am so afraid to tell him.
so i sit here in the dark, listening to the rain hit the window, and i blew
off my women's history class (my favorite class) because i think i just need
a day to cry.....

"guess i wasn't the best one to ask, me myself with my face pressed up against
love's glass, to see the shiny toy i've been hoping for, the one i never
could afford....."

he is here all the time...we go out together all the time...he stays overnight
and sleep next to me in my king size bed, but never a kiss.....i feel like i
am pressing my face against the glass of a storefront window, almost able to
grasp what i want, but a clear wall between me and the thing i want.....i am
so scared, so scared he will say no.....so scared to hear "i just want to be
friends", so scared to lose what we have in closeness right now because what
i tell him makes him uncomfortable around me.  i feel like i have built this
wall, but my fear is the reinforcement there holding it up.

"the paws of fear upon your chest, only love can soothe that beast..."

how can i obtain the love to soothe me if the paws of fear are holding me
down, i ask myself....

"my words are paper tigers, no match for the predator of pain inside her...."

i think, i can talk myself into the ground, and tell myself to think positively,but there is something inside me that aches of pain, that tells me that this
relationship would either be so perfect, or it will destroy me........"

"i'm always closing my eyes, and wish you fine (and wishing i'm fine..) even
though i know you are not this time....."

he was hurt so badly by his former girlfriend of 2 years.  he was willing to
give up his family, his job, his schooling, and move 2000 miles to be near her,
and when he went to visit, she dumped him.....he was so hurt, and so devestated.he doesn't rust women, and if you are female, you have to earn his respect,
which i have done.....but i am starting to wish him fine, wish that he would
feel for me like i do him.....i wish i was fine....days like today, i wish i
wasn't in love with this man...i wish i was fine.  but i know he isn't there
yet, and i don't know if i ever will be......

when i realized i loved him back in june (i actually had an epiphany in wal-
mart of all places....) i knew i loved him.  not this obsessive love, or a
possessive love, but a sense of comfort and well-being and just quiet happiness at the thought of him......the kind of love that makes you go, "oh my god, i
just like this person....."  now, as i lie in the dark next to him, never
having touched, or kissed, or even spoke of my feelings, and i hear his
breathing, soft and shallow, i think "oh my god, i just want to hear this for
the rest of my life...."

"love will come to you, hoping just because i spoke the words that they're
true, as if i offered up a crystal ball to look through, and where there is
one there will be two..."

i see others getting together, i see the potential we have...i see what i want
for us, and maybe i want it too much...maybe that is the problem, and that is
why i am so afraid to say anything......i amscared to let go of my hopes and
dreams......

"dodging your memories, a field of knives, always on the outside looking in,
on other's lives....."

my friend's say to just tell him, to put it out on the table, and the worst
he can do is say no....but they don't understand that the very idea of that
makes me want to curl up under my down comforter, light a candle, and cry
myself into a stupor for 3 days.  i am afraid of no, afraid to lose his
friendship, and afraid our relationship will change.......

"and i wish her insight to battle love's blindness, strength from the milk of
human kindness, a safe place for all the pieces that scattered, learn to
pretend there's more than love that matters....."

but is there?  without love, what are we?


thanks for listening.....you guys are the best.....

karrie

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subject:      don e. saliers

can anybody out there give me the names of any of the books that emily's
father, don e. saliers, has written or edited?   i have been looking in the
catalogues of the british copyright libraries (which supposedly have every
book ever published in the uk) and can find only one, christian spirituality,
post-reformation and modern, co-edited by saliers, louis dupre and john
meyendorff.   have any others been published in the us?

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date:         wed, 9 oct 1996 13:52:43 edt
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subject:      amy ray looks like...

i don't know what amy ray looks like because i have yet to see a good
picture of her.  has anyone else noticed that she always seems to
have part of her face covered in pictures?  hair, shaddows, whatever.
it's really annoying at times.

anna

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who has never owned a car."  -carrie snow

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date:         wed, 9 oct 1996 11:15:27 -0700
reply-to:     "amy j. putnam" <pegasus@crl.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "amy j. putnam" <pegasus@crl.com>
subject:      re: nigc: dar williams boots?
x-to:         tamara mizell <103660.214@compuserve.com>
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> does anyone have any dar boots that they'd be willing to trade for (or i can
> send a blank)?

just a word here..dar and her mgrs know that trading goes on and dont
really have a problem with that.  howevre, they do have a request.
if you trade, they would like a copy as well for their own archives,
and they request a donation be made for the tape.  they collect the
money but it does not go to them.  they have charitable organizations
to which they donate( i cant recall the latest one mentiponed).
if poeple want more details, let me know and i can dig them up.
i just wanted to pass along their request in matters like these.

                          _________
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pegasus@crl.com            \     /      when you're alone
monk@world.std.com          \   /
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date:         wed, 9 oct 1996 14:18:47 -0400
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from:         atlmouse@aol.com
subject:      forwarded message...very important re: virus!!!
x-to:         tpspacy8@aol.com
x-cc:         martinez.vetmed1@mail.health.ufl.edu, eric_botting@emory.org,
              mmmm234293@aol.com, magician@innet.com, cmiller168@aol.com,
              volfie1@aol.com, dvbuster@aol.com, sk@krco-cpa.com,
              spoelma@niven.imsweb.net, raine@faust.homecom.com,
              missgoat@aol.com, xlxz74a@prodigy.com, msando5911@aol.com,
              jamess7661@aol.com

i just received this...thought you all should read about it!!!!!!!
~~robin

>>   there is a computer virus that is being sent across the internet
>>if you receive an email message with the subject line "good times",
>>do not read the message, delete it immediately. please read the
>>messages below.
>>
>>   some miscreant is sending email under the title "good times"
>>nationwide, is you get anything like this, don't down load the file!
>>it has a virus that rewrites your hard drive, obliterating anything on
>>it" please be careful and forward this mail to anyone you care about.
>>
>>     the fcc released a warning last wednesday concerning a matter of
>>major importance to any regular user of the internet. apparently a
>>new computer virus has been engineered by a user of america on
>line
>>that is unparalleled in its destructive capability- other more
>>well-known viruses such as "stoned", "airwolf" and "michaelangelo"
>>pale in comparison to the prospects of this newest creation by a
>>warped mentality. what makes this virus so terrifying, said the fcc,
>>is the fact that no program needs to be exchanged for a new computer
>>to be infected. it can be spread through the existing email systems of
>>the internet.
>>
>>     once a computer is infected, one of several things can happen.
>>if the computer contains a hard drive, that will most likely be
>>destroyed. if the program is not stopped, the computer's processor
>>will be placed in an nth-complexity infinite binary loop -which can
>>severely damage the processor if left running that way too long.
>>
>>   unfortunately, most novice computer users will not realize what is
>>happening until it is far too late. luckily, there is one sure means
>>of detecting what is now known as the "good times" virus. it always
>>travels to new computers the same way in a text email message with
>the
>>subject line reading "good times". avoiding infection is easy once the
>>file has been received simply sy not reading it! the act of loading
>>the file into the mail server's ascii buffer causes the "good times"
>>mainline program to initialize and execute.
>>
>>     the program is highly intelligent- it will send copies of itself
>>to everyone whose email address is contained in a receive-mail file or
>>a sent-mail file, if it can find one. it will then proceed to trash
>>the computer it is running on.
>>
>>     the bottom line is: - if you receive a file with the subject
>>line "good times", delete it immediately! do not read it" rest
>>assured that whoever' name was on the "from" line was surely struck
>>by the virus.
>>
>>   warn your friends and local system users of this newest threat to
>>the internet! it could save them a lot of time and money.
>>
>>   could you pass this along to your global mailing list as well?
>>
>>     subject:   new and dangerous virus for your information ...
>>
>>     do not download any file named pkzip3oo regardless
>of the =
>extension
>>
>>   we work closely with the military and received this message from a
>>very reliable source in dc this morning.
>>
>>   a new trojan horse virus has emerged on the internet .ith the name
>>pkzip3oo.zip, so named as to give the impression that this file is
>>a new version of the pkzip software used to "zip" (compress) files.
>>
>>   do not download this file under any circumstances!!! if you install
>>or expand this file, the virus will wipe your hard disk clean and
>>affect modems at 14.4 and higher. this is an extremely destructive
>>virus and there is not yet a way of cleaning up this one.
>>
>>   repeat: do not download any file named pkzip3oo
>regardless
>>of the extension.

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reply-to:     mark anthony donajkowski <madonajk@alpha.delta.edu>
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from:         mark anthony donajkowski <madonajk@alpha.delta.edu>
subject:      re: forwarded message...very important re: virus!!!
x-to:         atlmouse@aol.com
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good times is a fake its a hoax disregard that as for the pkunzip the
newest version is still 2024 with a 2026 beta out stick with the 2024


on wed, 9 oct 1996 atlmouse@aol.com wrote:

> i just received this...thought you all should read about it!!!!!!!
> ~~robin
>
> >>   there is a computer virus that is being sent across the internet
> >>if you receive an email message with the subject line "good times",
> >>do not read the message, delete it immediately. please read the
> >>messages below.
> >>
> >>   some miscreant is sending email under the title "good times"
> >>nationwide, is you get anything like this, don't down load the file!
> >>it has a virus that rewrites your hard drive, obliterating anything on
> >>it" please be careful and forward this mail to anyone you care about.
> >>
> >>     the fcc released a warning last wednesday concerning a matter of
> >>major importance to any regular user of the internet. apparently a
> >>new computer virus has been engineered by a user of america on
> >line
> >>that is unparalleled in its destructive capability- other more
> >>well-known viruses such as "stoned", "airwolf" and "michaelangelo"
> >>pale in comparison to the prospects of this newest creation by a
> >>warped mentality. what makes this virus so terrifying, said the fcc,
> >>is the fact that no program needs to be exchanged for a new computer
> >>to be infected. it can be spread through the existing email systems of
> >>the internet.
> >>
> >>     once a computer is infected, one of several things can happen.
> >>if the computer contains a hard drive, that will most likely be
> >>destroyed. if the program is not stopped, the computer's processor
> >>will be placed in an nth-complexity infinite binary loop -which can
> >>severely damage the processor if left running that way too long.
> >>
> >>   unfortunately, most novice computer users will not realize what is
> >>happening until it is far too late. luckily, there is one sure means
> >>of detecting what is now known as the "good times" virus. it always
> >>travels to new computers the same way in a text email message with
> >the
> >>subject line reading "good times". avoiding infection is easy once the
> >>file has been received simply sy not reading it! the act of loading
> >>the file into the mail server's ascii buffer causes the "good times"
> >>mainline program to initialize and execute.
> >>
> >>     the program is highly intelligent- it will send copies of itself
> >>to everyone whose email address is contained in a receive-mail file or
> >>a sent-mail file, if it can find one. it will then proceed to trash
> >>the computer it is running on.
> >>
> >>     the bottom line is: - if you receive a file with the subject
> >>line "good times", delete it immediately! do not read it" rest
> >>assured that whoever' name was on the "from" line was surely struck
> >>by the virus.
> >>
> >>   warn your friends and local system users of this newest threat to
> >>the internet! it could save them a lot of time and money.
> >>
> >>   could you pass this along to your global mailing list as well?
> >>
> >>     subject:   new and dangerous virus for your information ...
> >>
> >>     do not download any file named pkzip3oo regardless
> >of the =
> >extension
> >>
> >>   we work closely with the military and received this message from a
> >>very reliable source in dc this morning.
> >>
> >>   a new trojan horse virus has emerged on the internet .ith the name
> >>pkzip3oo.zip, so named as to give the impression that this file is
> >>a new version of the pkzip software used to "zip" (compress) files.
> >>
> >>   do not download this file under any circumstances!!! if you install
> >>or expand this file, the virus will wipe your hard disk clean and
> >>affect modems at 14.4 and higher. this is an extremely destructive
> >>virus and there is not yet a way of cleaning up this one.
> >>
> >>   repeat: do not download any file named pkzip3oo
> >regardless
> >>of the extension.
>
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date:         wed, 9 oct 1996 12:42:00 -0700
reply-to:     marianne barlow <mlb1@axe.humboldt.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         marianne barlow <mlb1@axe.humboldt.edu>
subject:      re: kristen hall (nigc)
x-to:         "b. john pryslak" <bjp155@psu.edu>
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on wed, 9 oct 1996, b. john pryslak wrote:

> i've noticed several posts concerning recent kristen hall concerts. i'm
> assuming she's touring, if so does anyone have a tour schedule for her?
> thanks
> john
>

i'd be interested in this info too!
the lone coyote

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              hoax)
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at 02:18 pm 10/9/96 -0400, you wrote:

>i just received this...thought you all should read about it!!!!!!!

>~~robin

>

>>>   there is a computer virus that is being sent across the internet

>>>if you receive an email message with the subject line "good times",

>>>do not read the message, delete it immediately. please read the

>>>messages below.


argh!!!

this is one of those net-myths that keeps going round and round.

there is no good times virus... a virus can not be sent through a standard email msg.  a virus can be sent via a macro (i.e. msword, etc) or through an executable (which can be a *.bat file).  this particular virus has never existed.


btw... i am not saying the original poster is perpetuating the hoax.... on the contrary, notification of potential viruses is important.  i am just stating that this particular one is a hoax.


secondly.... unless you know the source of a file can be trusted (like downloading something directly from netscape, etc), i do not suggest you download or execute arbitrary files you find either across the web or attached as email files.   (i downloaded a kitty-kat cursor thingy a year ago and it wiped out a hard drive).  as long as you don't execute a file (that might come as an email attachemnet) you are ok.  viruses are not smart enough (at least right now) to self activitate (without ever having been activitated initially).


marianne

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date:         wed, 9 oct 1996 16:07:16 -0500
reply-to:     maggie poulos <me_poulos@acad.fandm.edu>
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from:         maggie poulos <me_poulos@acad.fandm.edu>
subject:      michelle malone

hey everybody,
just found out that michelle is doing a solo tour on the east coast....i
know that she is doing nyc twice, a date or two in mass....and philadelphia
on the 7th of november:)  at the grape street pub which is the
coolest...so, i'll be there if any of you all want to meet up.  the dates
are poted on the bds website ...so..that's that and if you have never seen
her..do so...she rocks out...
shine on,
maggie

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date:         wed, 9 oct 1996 14:39:23 est
reply-to:     "cynthia a. crecca" <crecca@admin.njit.edu>
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from:         "cynthia a. crecca" <crecca@admin.njit.edu>
subject:      re: virus!!!

for all you who don't know already, the goodtimes virus is a hoax.  it is
not real.  there is no such virus at present time so no one lose any sleep
over it!

again, this "rumor" of this virus has been going on for awhile now, and it
is just that, a rumor.  we can all go back to our regularly scheduled
programming now. :-)

cynthia crecca
crecca@admin.njit.edu

"the truth is usually just an excuse for a lack of imagination"- garick

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date:         wed, 9 oct 1996 16:22:41 -0400
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subject:      nigc: jpeg to gif format

hello fellow listees:

quick computer question for those with nore knowledge than i ....

is there any way to change a jpeg photo to gif format ???

i wanted to a picture that is in jpeg format as a background for my screen -
but it'll only accept gif format ...

thanks in advance

chris

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date:         wed, 9 oct 1996 14:42:21 -0400
reply-to:     kristina cizas <kcizas@cgrg.ohio-state.edu>
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from:         kristina cizas <kcizas@cgrg.ohio-state.edu>
subject:      the nields in columbus oh

hey all!

always trying to turn ig fans onto other *great* music...

if you're in the columbus oh area, i'm here to tell you about a show that
you just shouldn't miss. the nields will be rocking the third avenue
performance space this friday, the 11th of october. they are truly a
spectacular group. check out their homepage:

http://www.ntplx.net/~senft/nields/nwhomepa.html

tickets -- $12 in advance, $14 at the door -- are available at: ticketmaster
outlets, aardvark video, borders, fan the flames, pat's music (delaware),
scottie macbean, singing dog records, sweetwater music, and from six string
concerts at 614-470-folk.

singer-songwriter peter mulvey will be opening:

http://www.cache.cow.net/~thespian/listen/mulvey/

hope to see you there!

best,
kristina


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kcizas@cgrg.ohio-state.edu                life happens at the level of events
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moved in and made my thinking crowded..."
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date:         wed, 9 oct 1996 16:34:32 -0400
reply-to:     mark anthony donajkowski <madonajk@alpha.delta.edu>
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from:         mark anthony donajkowski <madonajk@alpha.delta.edu>
subject:      re: nigc: jpeg to gif format
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sure thing just get paint shop pro it will convert anything to anything


on wed, 9 oct 1996 guinione@aol.com wrote:

> hello fellow listees:
>
> quick computer question for those with nore knowledge than i ....
>
> is there any way to change a jpeg photo to gif format ???
>
> i wanted to a picture that is in jpeg format as a background for my screen -
> but it'll only accept gif format ...
>
> thanks in advance
>
> chris
>
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date:         wed, 9 oct 1996 14:51:04 -0400
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subject:      who wants to dub?

ok listers, lets get together :)  gosh, i feel like one of of those three
muskateers peoples, 'ya know, the one with the white horse and flowing
locks!!  let's all get together and dub some boots for these newbies!!  like
we did last summer.....

if there are some fortunate ones out there with the following boots (and you
wouldn't be a certifed un_newbie without them) let's do a little pay back for
all the great music we have and great concerts we have been to.

what i'm proposing:  there are some basic boots everyone on the list needs,
like tuesday children, blue food, color me grey, the purple parrot, the
dugout, the white dot.  all of these are 60 min except for the pp which is
90.  how many of you folks have all of these boots?  would you like to share?
it would save a lot of time trading boots if we could just cut to the other
ig stuff and assume everyone already has these basic boots.

if enough people contact me and say they want to dub for the newbie listers
and they already have most or all of these boots, then let's just get at it
:)  this is a call for dubbers only....as soon as we get organized we'll
announce to the list and tell you how to get your copies...

the usual procedure for getting dubs should apply:  contact the dubber of
your choice to get his/her address, send blank tapes (good ones!) and a
padded sase.
be patient and be appreciative....:)  no money exchanges hands, only good
vibes, please!

let me know if you want to participate.  i'll organize the tree and get
everybody supplied with whatever they need to make our newbies feel at home
on the list.

jude :)

oh, and i say an especial hi ho to those european/asian/aussie dubbers :)

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date:         wed, 9 oct 1996 16:43:23 -0400
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on wed, 9 oct 1996 hunterj1@aol.com wrote:

>
> what i'm proposing:  there are some basic boots everyone on the list needs,
> like tuesday children, blue food, color me grey, the purple parrot, the
> dugout, the white dot.  all of these are 60 min except for the pp which is
> 90.  how many of you folks have all of these boots?  would you like to share?
>  it would save a lot of time trading boots if we could just cut to the other
> ig stuff and assume everyone already has these basic boots.
>
im not a newbie by anymeans but ive never heard of the dugout or the white
dot  care to enlighten me on these ie set lists and such

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date:         wed, 9 oct 1996 21:54:07 +0100
reply-to:     indigo jo <mts5@aber.ac.uk>
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from:         indigo jo <mts5@aber.ac.uk>
subject:      re: nigc: dar williams boots?
x-to:         "amy j. putnam" <pegasus@crl.com>
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on wed, 9 oct 1996, amy j. putnam wrote:

> just a word here..dar and her mgrs know that trading goes on and dont
> really have a problem with that.  howevre, they do have a request.
> if you trade, they would like a copy as well for their own archives,
> and they request a donation be made for the tape.  they collect the
> money but it does not go to them.  they have charitable organizations
> to which they donate( i cant recall the latest one mentiponed).
> if poeple want more details, let me know and i can dig them up.
> i just wanted to pass along their request in matters like these.

at last!   some managers with an enlightened attitude to bootlegging material
they were never going to release!

mat

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date:         wed, 9 oct 1996 14:57:41 edt
reply-to:     jamie_pastiglione@scns.spfldcol.edu
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from:         jamie pastiglione <jamie_pastiglione@scns.spfldcol.edu>
subject:      re: request boots
x-to:         pegasus@crl.com

i am interested to find out if anyone has any bootlegs from the red rock shows
in colorodo. if anyone does can i get a copy, i'll send a blank? thanks. get
back to me.
jamie

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date:         wed, 9 oct 1996 17:08:31 -0400
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subject:      things i hate !!!!!!(sigc)

*sigh*...sometimes it is such a burden being the worlds
biggest indigo girls fan...what really hacks me off are those people
who wait in line for 17 hours to see the girls after they have worked their
fingers to bloody nubs and gone without food to buy the tickets and the
expect to get in to see the show !!!! how rude !
what is even worse is when i have waited in line for 13.25 hours
to see ig and i get to my spot and i'm so tired from waiting that i
fall asleep and miss the show or spend the show thinking about
how badly my feet hurt and being home in my comfy bed sounds
really good about now....or  else some slob who doesn't
know all of the words to all of the songs and has only waited a mere
11 hours comes up and pushes me down and takes my spot !!!
i hate that !!! but what i really hate are those people who just have to
dance and twirl just go to a disco if you want to do that stuff jeez !
what's worse are the people who just sit there like lumps on logs
and maybe occasionally nod their heads to the rythm, i'm not
saying that they should be taken out and shot but....no...wait...that's
exactly what i'm saying...why ? because i'm a pacifist and i don't
believe in violence !!!!!!!! but you know what i reeeeeally hate ???????

                             clowns...they scare me.

but what about tall people...my god ! why can't they just use
their super powers and render themselves invisible ???? thats
what i do ! and blondes !!!! who said they could show up ?
and people who sing every word to every song !!! i didn't
pay $ 75.83 to hear some person with no apparent talent sing...
what i'm trying to say here is...if you don't know all of the words and
don't sing along you don't belong here, you are evil and must be destroyed
(stolen from "steel magnolias")

in conclusion i would like to say  " no soup for you !!!"

with a wink and a grin :)
the soup nazi

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date:         wed, 9 oct 1996 18:08:52 -0400
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subject:      re: my own little bitch....definately igc

hey, this is relevant!  sorta :)  i was at the boathouse show in norfolk this
summer (remember, ponygirl? :)  it was general admissions...we got there
around 3 or 4 in the afternoon and were really near the front of the line.
it was great!!!  but when it came time for them to let us in, it turns out
that everyone who had called ahead and gotten tickets in advance had to go to
the will call desk inside the venue, while those who had come that day and
bought tickets could sail on in.  then there was this whole under-21 thing,
those of us not able to get drunk legally had to stay on the outskirts,
despite having waited way up in line for so long.  so...our conniptions over
calling ticketbastard were for naught???  we coulda just come there and
gotten tickets????!!!!  and i'm not even going to get started on the awful
security guard who placed himself right in front of us and spent the show
spitting and talking to fellow guards.  arghh!!!  i loved seeing the girls,
though, i woulda clung to the roof of the boathouse if that's what it had
took :)
okay, just random bitchings...:)  not other fans' fault this time but still
annoying!!!!
love and purple presnets
katy

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date:         wed, 9 oct 1996 18:12:55 -0400
reply-to:     "keates, harry" <hak@crai.com>
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from:         "keates, harry" <hak@crai.com>
organization: charles river associates
subject:      re: nigc: dar williams boots?
in-reply-to:  <22f17137011c0e00>

>just a word here..dar and her mgrs know that trading goes on and dont
>really have a problem with that.  howevre, they do have a request.
>if you trade, they would like a copy as well for their own archives,
>and they request a donation be made for the tape.  they collect the
>money but it does not go to them.  they have charitable organizations
>to which they donate( i cant recall the latest one mentiponed).
>if poeple want more details, let me know and i can dig them up.
>i just wanted to pass along their request in matters like these.

the donation should be made to the mortal earth fund, which has been set
up by her management (and was named by yours truely - i just have to keep
mentioning that don't i?  : ))  i can't find the address right now, but i
know i have it somewhere and if anyone wants it you can email and i'll
send it to you.

dar put an initial donation of a $500 or so to start the fund, and it has
since raised a considerable amount of money, including over $1,000 in
donations exclusinvely through the trading of dar's two unreleased tapes
that were recorded before the honesty room.  you can make donations by
purchasing posters, buttons, etc. from her management, or by simply
mailing a check.

if anyone has any questions, they can email me privately,   thanks,

  harry a. keates
  email: hak@crai.com

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date:         wed, 9 oct 1996 18:43:49 -0400
reply-to:     sundara <smurphy@ups.edu>
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from:         sundara <smurphy@ups.edu>
subject:      moms and ig

>oddly enough, amy looks like my mom!!!  (difficult to have indecent thoughts
>about someone who looks like my mom- but sometimes possible!) ;)
>


hee hee,  emily looks like my mom!!!!!  (good thing i'm in love with amy :)
but my mom and emily even dress the same.  they both have a thing for
turtle necks tucked into their jeans.  it's kinda creepy.  and my mom has
really long (blonde) hair.  in the power of two video, the resemblance is
soooo similar! sometimes i think, my goddess, it's my mom, about 10 years
ago, and with a haircut, crazy.

oh, and does anyone know how to get off the digest format?  i can't, i've
tried everything.  please someone email me and help me!!!

peace, love, and mechanically inclined brothers,
sundara, who is back from sequim, but still has a headache, and is still not
        studying as much as she should for the gre

"in the recognition of loving lies the answer to despair."

                        audre lorde

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date:         wed, 9 oct 1996 19:39:17 edt
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from:         bethany fleischauer <fleiscbe@sbu.edu>
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subject:      faq on the www

hi everyone!!

     can anyone tell me if there is a new www address other than this
one:  http://www.tezcat.com/~mtp/ig/html/ig-faq2c.html

i cannot seem to open this.  if you have any info., please e-mail me
privately.  thanx!
              -bethany

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date:         wed, 9 oct 1996 20:30:12 -0400
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subject:      re: swicking the queue (my 2p worth)

hey y'all,
    were normally lurkers but this thread has caught our attention. you see,
we follow the girls sometimes, and we were following this summer at alot of
the shows you are talking about, and we have to say that we didnt think so
many people could be so rude.
were talking about the "hardcore fans". not the teeny boppers and such.
we'll start at newport where one of us (katherine) had been up close to see
michelle shocked. after her, i tried to make my way to the back to be with my
friends. on the way, a group of women yelled at me and would not let me pass.
she called me a number of names, and threatened me physically, all because
she had to take a step backward to let me through. then her friend blocked my
way, growled, also threatened me and then finally let me through when i told
her she was being rude. she in exchange called me brat and such. all to be 6
inches closer to the ig.
  next stop, hampton beach. a friend of ours was touring with the girls and
we were waiting for our tickets. missy was in line with a few people we knew,
while i was waiting at the box office. a group of women then threatened missy
and our friends, saying that if they did not let their group cut in, they
would trample them. they said we had let everyone cut. the truth is there
were ten of us including missy and i and we took shifts of 5 holding the
place and going to get food, use the restroom etc. no one cut. i feel it was
partly because we were all young and therefore considered "teenyboppers".
also, we were given rude looks and called names for talking to our friend who
was with ig.some people seemed to feel quite angry at us for that especially.
    on to new york, philly and lewiston. more of the same. we saw a number of
the list tshirts. we had only joined the list a few weeks before in an effort
to find a camp ground for newport and we were realy shocked and disappointed
to find so many people  up north who judged us by our age, looks and or
friends.
     were not trying to offend or point a finger, just trying to show that
everyone is guilty (including us when were in atlanta, we did not try to
shimmy or anything up north. we hate being squashed in the general admission
pit, wed rather be in the back) of this in one way or another at sometime.
whether it be shimmying or being rude for no reason or being jealous etc.
                 flame away
                              katherine and missy

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date:         wed, 9 oct 1996 20:48:12 edt
reply-to:     joan morrison <103161.3515@compuserve.com>
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from:         joan morrison <103161.3515@compuserve.com>
subject:      original ticketholders

hi folks,

jen hall posed the question (paraphrased) "what would you do if the original
ticket holders arrived...would you give up the seats?  well, if the person
who holds a ticket for a seat shows up, you have to get up and let them have
their seat.  i have been to reserved seat concerts where i wasn't able to
get there before the opening act started, and someone was in my seats.  on
one occasion the person insisted that they held the ticket for the seat, but
once the usher came by and looked at my ticket and their ticket, they
begrudgingly got up let me sit down.  as it should be.  just as it should be
at n.o. or wherever if the ticketholder shows up...you get up and give them
your seat and return to yours.

peace,

joan :)  (who, btw, only stood and swayed to three or four songs during the
ig set in n.o....i'm more of a reflective fan, thank you:)

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subject:      ig dream (long)

hello everyone,

well, i've posted an ig dream or two that i've had, and they've both been
very good/happy ones.  i think i also mentioned b4 that my dreams are
usually never happy, but i wouldn't label them all nightmares.  but,
getting to the igc, this time i had a very sad and depressing ig dream.

btw, i can tell you now, this is gonna be pretty long, so if you're
interested, you better be real interested, or just press delete! :)

o.k. so it starts out i'm going to an ig concert (my ig dreams always
involve this, i wonder why...)  i'm not really sure of the order of a few
of the first things that happened, but i'll take the liberty to order them
how i like. anyway, i'm there early, and no one else is around.  there's a
counter with some "ig people" walking around behind it doing something,
kind of oblivious to my presence.  so i leave, and next thing i know, i'm
in like a living room with a couch with *emily* on it (ok this is the only
good part, but it ends up much worse...)  noone else is really there, but
em and i.  she's practicing some new songs on an acoustic and i'm singing
along, feeling really cool because i know the words.  and thinking to
myself, i wonder if she wonders how i know these songs already (i just
have boots, you see).

so i'm sitting on the couch with emily, singing songs with her and i see
amy enter the room.  (note: i am an amy person, however, i have had an emily
epiphany...)  i think to myself "ok, i'm singing with emily, this is cool.
but i have to talk to amy!!!!  she's right there."  well nothing happens.
:(  amy leaves the room, i stay on the couch with emily.  it was as if amy
was looking for something, but determined it wasn't in the living room.
(note: i had a dream before that i helped amy look for her shoe)

then emily says something to me like "could you take some stuff out and
put it away" in a very pleasant way.  i get the impression she wants to
make her "hotel" seem more "homey"  so i reach into a paper grocery bag
and find some fruit and figure "better put this in the fridge."  i walk to
the fridge and it's already all full of different kinds of fruit,
pineapple, bananas, apples. [as i'm writing this, i'm reminded of all the
fruit juices i've been drinking lately, like 30 bottles in the past few
weeks, a lot for me...]  there's pineapple on the counter in a big silver
bowl wrapped in plastic wrap.  i think, "heck there's enough stuff out
already, and nowhere to put this," so i kind of forget about the fruit.

next thing i know, i'm back at the counter and fans are there now.  and
they're doing something that seems like something i'm interested in.  so i
get behind them (only about 5 or so people) and am informed by the people
behind the counter that i have to go through the line a certain way.
through those red felt ropes, like at the bank or the movies, or whatever.
so i go back through the ropes and end up where i started.  when i get to
the counter the "ig people" tell me that i can write a message to amy.
and which ever person's she finds most interesting she'll meet after the
concert.  oh boy!  the person also adds that amy really likes political
stuff.

so i'm given a receipt that has been ripped in half, while my partner gets
a whole receipt.  i look at the people ahead of me who are finishing up
their notes and they have paper that's about the size of a 4x5 (does that
exist?)  my receipt is only about 1x3.  i worry, am angry, but i write...
i'm having problems.  my  pen is running out of ink and making what i
write look barely legible.  so i try to retrace.  i end up with big
splotches and still big empty spaces where letters should be.  all this
time i'm just trying to get out one sentence.  so i get another receipt.
same problems. i turn it over, same problems.  by this time i've been at
it for like 10 mins and my partner has long since finished.  she's looking
at me like "come on already!"  she asks me how long i will be.  i look at
my watch it's 20 till eight, the concert starts at 8:30.  i tell her 5
mins.

so i start again, i finally get the whole way through my first sentence.
it reads something like "i love the indigo girls..."  wait, i think,
they'll be reading this, i can just write i love you. i scratch out ig,
thinking how horrible it looks now.  then continue "so much that my
partner is always saying 'can we listen to something else besides the
indigo girls"  real impressive, huh?  so my "lovely" sentence is finished,
but i realize, it has taken up the whole paper!  i have to write more
because this has nothing to do with politics!  so i start over again...

by this time the "ig people" have left.  so has everyone else.  i can't
sense my partner.  i'm in a world all my own, struggling *so hard* to
write something so simple.  i think my partner probably wrote something
really fantastic.  i'm going crazy!  i'm completely frazzled!  i have to
think of another sentence.  all i can think of is "i'm very interested in
issues of gender"  which i am.  i think, this really has nothing to do
with politics.  but, i think it's really cool, so amy has to too...

i'm finished.  i look at my watch.  it's 9:35. i'm sure the concert's
over, or at least 75% so.  but, i don't care.  i have to find the "ig
people" to give them my note for amy.  amy must read my note.  i look
around, but i have no clue where to find them.  i am so sad.  so
depressed.

somehow i get a call on my cell phone (i don't have one of these in rl)
from an "ig person."  they tell me i can meet the girls if i come under
the stage.  i say great, thanks, b--  they ask me if i know where that is
or how to get there.  i say no.  they tell me that there is an aisle in
the middle of the seats.  and also at the middle of the stage there is a
door.  they tell me to walk down the aisle and when i get about 15 rows
from the front to run inside really fast.  so i do.  i'm in.

it's really big inside.  much bigger than the outside looks.  there are
big stone walls and a few doors.  i have no clue where i'm supposed to go.
i choose one door, walk a little ways down a hall and come to some more
doors.  i choose one, go a little ways down a hall and hear i'm
approaching a group of people.  there's a table with some older dressed-up
people behind it.  i ask "what is this"  they tell me something that is
not the indigo girls.  i say nevermind, and leave.  i retrace my steps and
am back to where i came in from the stage.  ready to choose the right
door.

then, the whole area under the stage blows up!!!  i lose my chance to meet
amy.  somehow, i was ok, the ig's were ok and all the crowd was ok.  it
happens that they had an opening act and hadn't performed yet.  i was
trying to catch them right before they went on.  but they didn't even get
to perform at all, obviously.

next thing i know i'm back at the girls' "hotel."  i'm standing near the
door waiting to leave.  my partner comes to the door.  she had just had
her meeting with amy.  ends up she did write a good note...  i have a
brainstorm and think, hey!  if you just left her, she should be right
around the corner.  i look, she's not.  jodie (my girl) suggests that she
might have gone back to where they talked.  so she takes me upstairs.
(ends up they're staying in a bed-n-breakfast kind of place, and it's a
three story house.)

we get upstairs and there are two single beds.  jodie sits on one, i on
the other.  she tells me "this is right where we were"  and i think, well,
i guess she's not here either.  i look out the window and see jodie's
parents leaning impatiently on a little pickup truck.  her mother sees me
through the open blinds and points at jodie and i.  i can tell she's
telling jodie's dad "there they are, they're up there."  i ask jodie if
she knows her parents can see us.  she says no, and we decide we better
get going.  we leave the house.

her parents see us coming and are already in the truck ready to go.  jodie
climbs in the back and i follow.  it's raining.  i'm so depressed.  i
don't care that i'm getting rained on.  i look at the house as the truck
pulls me away.  i think it must be real nice to stay in such a pretty
house out in the country.  they probably chose this to avoid mobbing fans,
i think.  then i think they're probably aren't even that many fans in this
state (i don't know which...)  and, well, that's it...

if this seemed like a long dream, it was!  i swear it lasted all night!  i
even woke up in the middle of the night and, er, went to the potty.  when
i came back i had the last part of the dream where i was back in the
girls' "house."  i guess i wanted it to have a happy ending... but to no
avail. :(

by the way, if i sound a little obsessed in the dream about meeting amy,
it didn't seem "obsessive" in the dream.  just continually "failing" or
missing my chance.  really, if i ever were to have such opportunities, i
don't know that i would try so ardently.  i'd be too shy, and have nothing
good to say.  however, i was really excited about talking to amy about
gender issues.  but, i'm sure it would never be practical.

also, for any of you who think i slighted my emily meeting.  i really
do/did appreciate it.  just being an amy person, i was greedy and had to
meet her, too.  "teach me oh goddess of wit"

to all those who have gotten this far... thank you!  thank you!  thank
you!  you must have really been intrigued.  well, for me it was total
hell.  but thank you for this catharsis!!!!

peace, melissa

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subject:      re: my own little bitch....definately maybe igc
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i have a philisophical question for y'all regarding this.  i like phish.  i
only have a cd that is borrowed from a friend (a live one).  i do not know
any of their other stuff.  does this mean that i shouldn't go to a concert,
or that i should ask for nosebleed?  i mean, same with tori (slightly
different, i have three albums and i know most of the songs on them
decently).   but i haven't liked her for all that long; again, how should i
handle this.  i felt sorta bad at a they might be giants concert, when i was
eighth row back and i only knew the songs particle man and istanbul.  (i now
have, i think, all of their albums; does anybody know their take on boot's?)
blah blah blah, i've known ig for maybe half a year at the outside...  but
whatever...  i guess it's a sort of bad question, but one i pose anyway,

have a nice day,
alec
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everything i truly love, i love in you and i love in me
so give me hope, give me hope, that emptiness brings fullness
and loss of love brings wholeness
                -amy ray (hand me downs)

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date:         wed, 9 oct 1996 17:52:07 -0400
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from:         alec <alec@pipeline.com>
subject:      re: help! ctf chords
x-to:         tanya or gregg <psu04707@odin.cc.pdx.edu>

i can't help you off hand, b/c my copy of the tab is missing, but you can
find it at http://harmony-central.mit.edu/ and from there just follow the
links...  sorry i couldn't be more helpful...

gregg allman spells his name with three g's too...  that's pretty cool,

pasalo bien
alec
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everything i truly love, i love in you and i love in me
so give me hope, give me hope, that emptiness brings fullness
and loss of love brings wholeness
                -amy ray (hand me downs)

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date:         wed, 9 oct 1996 17:52:10 -0400
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from:         alec <alec@pipeline.com>
subject:      re: forwarded message...very important re: virus!!! (<- virus
              hoax)
x-to:         the searcher <kidfears@flinthills.com>

in addition to all that has been said already, it's interesting to point out
that the good times hoax has also essentially done the equivelent of a virus
without being quite so harmful...  this rumor has existed forever and a half
and it still causes distress everywhere...  it's just as bad as one in the
end...
alec
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everything i truly love, i love in you and i love in me
so give me hope, give me hope, that emptiness brings fullness
and loss of love brings wholeness
                -amy ray (hand me downs)

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date:         wed, 9 oct 1996 21:09:20 edt
reply-to:     joan morrison <103161.3515@compuserve.com>
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from:         joan morrison <103161.3515@compuserve.com>
subject:      aisle dancers...grrrr

let me say that i totally agree with greg:  i *hate* people who crowd aisles
at a concert.  i didn't realize we were talking about people who stand and dance
in the aisles though.  i got the impression from deb's post that her beef
was with people moving to seats up front.  i mean, every show i've ever
been to, if a row has 20 seats and there are 22 people in that row, two
people have gotta go.  but as i was saying, there's nothing that makes me
angrier than having an aisle seat and as i'm sitting there getting into the
show, two people decide to stand in the aisle and completely block my view.
security usually tells people who try to stand in the aisles to go back to
their seats.  if security doesn't see them, i politely tap them on the shoulder
and ask them to stand somewhere else.  this happened to me when i saw rem
last year.  people insisted on either standing in the aisle next to the seat
in front of me, or even worse, they tried to "share" my seat with me --  you've
seen 'em...they try to edge in next to you so that it looks to security like
they've got a seat there, when in reality they're trying to share your seat
(i'm talking about when you're standing up, of course:)
and by the way, though i haven't been to a general admission show since probably
1984 or so (give a take a couple of years), i seriously doubt that anyone i moved
in front of had trouble seeing the show because of me, as i'm only 5' 1"
when you're 5' 1"  you ain't got a chance of seeing anything unless move up.
but i always said "excuse me" whenever i moved up.  and oftentimes, tall people
would offer to let me stand in front of them.  it is possible to move up in
a crowd while at the same time being kind and curteous:)

peace,

joan :)

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date:         wed, 9 oct 1996 17:53:33 -0400
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from:         alec <alec@pipeline.com>
subject:      re: nigc: jpeg to gif format
x-to:         guinione@aol.com

there are a bunch of programs that do this....  (if you get it in netscape,
it offers it as the option...) but if you don't have one, shoot the pic over
and i'll convert it for you...
alec
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date:         wed, 9 oct 1996 20:22:57 -0500
reply-to:     abigail <abaroo@execpc.com>
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from:         abigail <abaroo@execpc.com>
subject:      my world cafe boot

i have a copy of the entire world cafe show from the night last week when
the ig interview aired. my tape is excellent quality, but unfortunately the
interview/live song session with the girls only lasted about 30 minutes. amy
and emily spoke briefly about their time off and the honor the earth
campaign, and they played get out the map, blood quantum, and don't give
that girl a gun live. the 3 songs were performed by only the two of them
playing and singing, similar to the way much of the demo tour was set up.
i am willing to offer copies of the boot to people interested, but since i
can't give out my address online, it will have to be through either trades
or i will also accept high quality (preferably maxell) blank tapes.
a note about the world cafe tape though. since the girls were only on for
about a half hour, i'd assume that's all of the show anybody would be
interested in. the show also included the 1200c version of land of canaan
and bruce cockburn's "wise users" from honor which might be of interest.
basically though, since honor was a benefit album for an *extremely* worthy
cause, i'd hate for anyone to be using the boot version of blood quantum as
a substitute for buying the album, which is incredible in and of itself, and
provides needed money to the honor the earth fund.
so, with that said, if you're interested in trading for a copy of the world
c boot, drop me a line. assuming i'm not swamped (ophelia!) with requests,
i'd like to try and handle these on my own, but if a tape tree is needed,
i'll let the list know.

~abigail

"i will not be....

a pawn" ~emily saliers

afraid of women" ~dar williams

complacent!!!" ~amy ray

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date:         wed, 9 oct 1996 20:19:23 -0400
reply-to:     "b. john pryslak" <bjp155@psu.edu>
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from:         "b. john pryslak" <bjp155@psu.edu>
subject:      re: amy ray looks like...

>i don't know what amy ray looks like because i have yet to see a good
>picture of her.  has anyone else noticed that she always seems to
>have part of her face covered in pictures?  hair, shaddows, whatever.
>it's really annoying at times.

>anna

she's beautiful !!!

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date:         wed, 9 oct 1996 21:39:18 -0400
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from:         john cooperider <coop@ctol.net>
subject:      re: bad fans

>that's what got me. i think the absence of manners and the justification i
>hear for it stinks. this isn't about security people asking you to stay
>seated. that's a different subject all together. this is about the human
>being behind you who may be more of a reserved fan, or a new fan or a big
>fan of someone else performing that night who can't see or hear what's
>going on or can't even be comfortable in the seat they paid for because
>scammers are tucked in the row. sorry, but the rules of common courtesy
>don't change simply because you're at a concert.
>
>(was that ok betsy?:)
>
>deb

just had to say that you rock deb!  very well put. ditto. (hmmm maybe i
should have left that last one out...)

i am generally pretty reserved at concerts now.  i wasn't in high school
but now that i am ancient (30)...  actually, most of the time i study the
artists intensely because i play guitar and have been in bands and like to
study the way others perform.  not that i couldn't dance in the aisles mind
you...

john c

connecticut

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reply-to:     deb odonoghue <doobie@student.umass.edu>
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from:         deb odonoghue <doobie@student.umass.edu>
subject:      non-lyric ig quote

hey all in ig land!

listening to my santa fe boot for the first time last night, i found
a quote of amy's that i liked in particular, and is fitting for my life:

"i've had a lot of time to think about love,
so i wrote some love songs to non-existence."

                                a.r. 8/25/96

take care and peace y'all!

-deb

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from:         mark anthony donajkowski <madonajk@alpha.delta.edu>
subject:      re: my own little bitch....definately maybe igc
x-to:         alec <alec@pipeline.com>
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on wed, 9 oct 1996, alec wrote:

> decently).   but i haven't liked her for all that long; again, how should i
> handle this.  i felt sorta bad at a they might be giants concert, when i was
> eighth row back and i only knew the songs particle man and istanbul.  (i now
> have, i think, all of their albums; does anybody know their take on boot's?)
dont know their take on boots but i have 5 of them <g>
hugs anthonyv an pyre

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from:         andrea lipman <ablipman@sas.upenn.edu>
subject:      grape-nuts in psych (nigc)

in my psych class today, my professor asked if anyone had any food
aversions, that is, they got sick after eating a specific food, & now they
can no longer eat that food.  so, some girl said that she once had captain
crunch & then puked, & now she can't eat captain crunch anymore.
throughout his lecture, my professor kept referring to this girl, but every
time he mentioned her aversion to captain crunch, he messed up & said
grape-nuts instead. i was giggling to myself, thinking of all the
grape-nuts discussion on this list.  i wasn't even on the list during all
the grape-nuts discussion, but i'm aware of it.  we were also discussing
freudian slips in class, & i couldn't help thinking that my professor's
mention of grape-nuts indicated his desire to hear ig music! <g>  just a
thought...

-andi

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              we can't get over the hump, can't get over us
             seems easier to push than to let go and trust
                           but it's alright"-es
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reply-to:     abigail <abaroo@execpc.com>
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from:         abigail <abaroo@execpc.com>
subject:      practicing what we preach & all that

reading all the bitching about non-fans having good seats at ig shows and
then the accounts of folks who were at bumbershoot and spent the whole day
in the stadium to secure good ig seats, i can't help but wonder if maybe we
aren't being true to what we preach. now had i been at bumbershoot i might
well have spent the entire day holding on to top seats as other bands
performed, but isn't it possible the presidents of the usa fans were more
entitled to front spots during that concert. don't get me wrong, i'm not by
any means even comparing the presidents' screeching to our beloved indigo
girls and their loverly music, and i don't know what the scene was like
during that concert (i'd guess that the mosh pit was not a place most of you
wanted to be!) but i just thought i'd raise the question.

~abigail

"i will not be....

a pawn" ~emily saliers

afraid of women" ~dar williams

complacent!!!" ~amy ray

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date:         wed, 9 oct 1996 22:28:17 edt
reply-to:     oh susanna <oh.susanna@dartmouth.edu>
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from:         "susan b. marine" <susan.b.marine@dartmouth.edu>
subject:      uh, i'm guilty. (nigc)

okay so i am reading this long thread about swicking the q and corking the
screw and all the other neato terms for cutting in line and i'm thinkin yeah!
yeah! you go ig listers, you tell those annoying guys/gals who cut in line just
what kind of a-holes they truly are and then......

it hits me. i've done it.

here's the scene: monday, the day after newport, i frantically hop in my car
after a full day's work in hanover (2 hrs away, and mind you i am still beat
from newport like we all were) and fly down the interstate to hampton
beach...when i get there its like 5:15 and i see bert and a few other folks i
met that weekend right up front (there's a line all the way down the side of
the venue) and several of them (esp amy putnam, thanks amy, i never thanked you
but now i am) *graciously* allowed me to get in line with them. i was so
thankful, and i
probably should have gotten in the back of the line, but i was alone, and
wahhhhhhhh
(susan trails off into a moan of self pity)

anyways, all i wanted to say is, i never thought of myself as a queue swicker
(that's not even legal in 41 states in america ya know) but i guess i have done
it, in dire cirumstances, so i am owning up to it and saying it won't happen
again... but if anyone had pointed it out to me, i probably would have
moved..so maybe next time say "hey yoi! big a-hole! git in the back of the
line"

cause sometimes we're all just oblivious...

hope i didn't piss any of my new list pals off with that move--

xoxo
susanna banana

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date:         thu, 10 oct 1996 01:33:24 -0400
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from:         sea8aggie@aol.com
subject:      world cafe tape???

so, in case i missed anything, did anyone tape it?  wuz up wit dat?

curious in texas,

amy


go ahead, give me some piece of mind.  i gotta' know that it's out there and
available someday.

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subject:      ig online nov.16

for anyone who hasn't viewed the ig official web page lately, they'll be in
the aol live auditorium on november 16 @ 10pm et.

also, forgive me for the few postings that i left the ig digest title in the
subject line. i was brain dead and can't be held responsible.

ugh on all the mail.  even with the digest i have to wade through it all.  i
will not give up though.  i can hardly find anything that doesn't interest
me.  i love you guys (no gender specificity intended).

amy

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date:         thu, 10 oct 1996 00:00:18 edt
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subject:      nigc - feminist thinkers

can someone out there give me a name of a great feminist thinker?

anna

"this is a banjo...and i'm gonna learn how to play it." -emily saliers

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reply-to:     indigo jo <mts5@aber.ac.uk>
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from:         indigo jo <mts5@aber.ac.uk>
subject:      re: forwarded message...very important re: virus!!! (<- virus
              hoax)
x-to:         alec <alec@pipeline.com>
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on wed, 9 oct 1996, alec wrote:

> in addition to all that has been said already, it's interesting to point out
> that the good times hoax has also essentially done the equivelent of a virus
> without being quite so harmful...  this rumor has existed forever and a half
> and it still causes distress everywhere...  it's just as bad as one in the
> end...

may i also add that if you receive a chain email asking you to send a get
well card to a boy called craig shergold who's got leukaemia (sp?) then
that's a hoax as well.   shergold does exist, but his cancer's been in
remission for several years and is still receiving business and get well
cards from people who thinks he still wants them in order to get into the
guinness book of records.   so if you recieve that one, delete it, and tell
the person who sent it to you not to keep sending it on either.

mat

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date:         thu, 10 oct 1996 06:19:46 -0500
reply-to:     "dimitra j. gianas" <u36252@uic.edu>
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from:         "dimitra j. gianas" <u36252@uic.edu>
subject:      response to a. ray looks like

should i or shouldn't i ladies?

john wrote:

from: "b. john pryslak" <bjp155@psu.edu>
subject:      re: amy ray looks like...
to: multiple recipients of list indigo-girls <indigo-girls@netspace.org>


she's beautiful !!!

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date:         thu, 10 oct 1996 09:05:58 -0400
reply-to:     joan ferguson <joan_ferguson@harvard.edu>
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from:         joan ferguson <joan_ferguson@harvard.edu>
subject:      sigc: re:dar williams boots? / michelle malone

amy p. wrote:
>>just a word here..dar and her mgrs know that trading goes on and dont
>>really have a problem with that.  howevre, they do have a request.
>>if you trade, they would like a copy as well for their own archives,
>>and they request a donation be made for the tape.  they collect the
>>money but it does not go to them.  they have charitable organizations
>>to which they donate( i cant recall the latest one mentiponed)

harry wrote:
>the donation should be made to the mortal earth fund, which has been set
>up by her management.
>dar put an initial donation of a $500 or so to start the fund, and it has
>since raised a considerable amount of money, including over $1,000 in
>donations exclusinvely through the trading of dar's two unreleased tapes
>that were recorded before the honesty room.  you can make donations by
>purchasing posters, buttons, etc. from her management, or by simply
>mailing a check.

as the proud owner of a copy of those two tapes (which are not really
"unreleased" - just very unavailable - there were few copies made and the
originals are very hard to find).  i spent $4 for the tapes and postage and
made a $10 donation to the fund - no problem!  however, the person who is
doing the taping is now *requiring* people to send $20 per 2 tapes to the
mortal earth fund, or else he won't make you copies.  i personally think
this sucks big time - how can anyone decide how much you donate to a charity?!

all that aside, i think dar is awesome - saw her for the first time last
friday at the somerville theater, and she was great.  although i have to say
that i enjoyed her opening act, dee carstensen, as much, if not more (i hate
to admit this!). i love hearing new music, and dee is phenomenal - she plays
harp and keyboards, and writes pretty amazing songs.  go take a listen - to
both of them!

****
and now for the michelle malone stuff ... i found a promo copy of band de
soleil's upcoming release, bird on fire, at my local used cd store!!  its
very good - y'all have something to look forward to in january (that's the
most recently announced release date, right?)  i'll be getting the official
release, if only for the lyrics! :-)  tracks are: blue suede, medicated
magdalene, green, in the weeds, a la famillia (their spelling!), dimming
soul, twice in a lifetime, fueled, devil moon, feed the glow, hamlet went
swimming, butter biscuit.  highly recommended!

joan  :-)

                              joan_ferguson@harvard.edu
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our skull, why then do we read it?  good god, we would also be happy if we
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ourselves.  but what we must have are those books which come upon us like
ill fortune, and distress us deeply, like the death of one we love better
than ourselves, like suicide.  a book must be an ice-axe to break the sea
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date:         thu, 10 oct 1996 08:53:33 -0500
reply-to:     m gordon <hdtx97a@prodigy.com>
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from:         m gordon <hdtx97a@prodigy.com>
subject:      ig & aol

>>>>for anyone who hasn't viewed the ig official web page lately,
they'll be in the aol live auditorium on november 16 @ 10pm et.<<<<<

forgive me if i'm wrong, but i think this was the "chat" they did
last year.

melissa

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date:         thu, 10 oct 1996 08:44:10 -0400
reply-to:     mariavee@aol.com
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from:         mariavee@aol.com
subject:      bad fans

as luck would have it, i've never had a bad experience at an ig concert, but
once at a shawn colvin concert i had 4th row end seats (a fave of mine) in
baltimore's symphony hall (a great place to see folky-type music) and these
two women right in front of me talked the entire time.  when i tried to ask
them to be quiet, they just looked at me like i was interrupting their
reunion/conversation/bonding time or something.  can someone explain to me
why people go to concerts to talk to each other instead of listening to the
music?  good thing i wasn't trying to tape the show, or i *really* would have
been upset...

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date:         thu, 10 oct 1996 08:58:25 -0400
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subject:      non-lyric quote

my fave, from one of the video comps, emily saying "i aim to please the
girlies!"

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date:         thu, 10 oct 1996 07:03:07 -0700
reply-to:     mediancat <bbertiaux@spectrumctls.com>
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from:         mediancat <bbertiaux@spectrumctls.com>
subject:      re: practicing what we preach & all that

on  wed, 9 oct 1996 22:43:33 -0500, ~abigail wrote:

>reading all the bitching about non-fans having good seats at ig shows and
>then the accounts of folks who were at bumbershoot and spent the whole day
>in the stadium to secure good ig seats, i can't help but wonder if maybe we
>aren't being true to what we preach. now had i been at bumbershoot i might
>well have spent the entire day holding on to top seats as other bands
>performed, but isn't it possible the presidents of the usa fans were more
>entitled to front spots during that concert. don't get me wrong, i'm not by
>any means even comparing the presidents' screeching to our beloved indigo
>girls and their loverly music, and i don't know what the scene was like
>during that concert (i'd guess that the mosh pit was not a place most of you
>wanted to be!) but i just thought i'd raise the question.
>

you are absolutely right!   and what i believed happened was that the ig
fans pretty much stepped aside during the three sets  (young fresh
fellows/reverend horton heat / presidents) and had to wait on the sides for
those fans to clear out.  this is a good example of the lack of situational
awareness that the people who scheduled bumbershoot this year have.  a very
unfortunate thing happened in that daemon records was showcasing artists
at about the same time as the presidents were playing; therefore, many of
the people who would have been very interested to see these artists
(danielle howle, band de soliel, ...etc) were in the stadium holding their
ground.  the scheduling folks failed to take into consideration the drastic
disparity between the fans of the first set and fans of the second set
(seattle mens chorus, phoebe snow, ig).  with a little work they could have
probably scheduled ani difranco (who played friday), the daemon artists and
other like talent with seattle mens chorus, phoebe snow, and ig.  this
would have been ideal.  oh well, maybe they did the best they could do.

betsy (a bumbershoot survivor)


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..you see turning off the light switch is their only power
      when we stand like spotlights in a mighty tower
                       all for one and one for all
                    then we sing the common call.....
                                                             e. saliers
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date:         thu, 10 oct 1996 09:59:06 -0400
reply-to:     "keates, harry" <hak@crai.com>
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from:         "keates, harry" <hak@crai.com>
organization: charles river associates
subject:      dar, mortal earth fund, and early tapes (nigc)
in-reply-to:  <160b7237011c0e00>

hi,  to follow up on my post from last night,  here is the info from
dar's management on dar tapes and the mortal earth fund.

****************
we ask that, should you choose to make a tape of a dar show for a friend,
trade tapes or whatever, you send a check for at least some token amount
to
mortal earth fund (and a copy of the tape for our archives, if possible)
c/o
young/hunter mgt., po box 303,  chesterfield, ma 01012. the idea of the
fund
is that we'll donate proceeds to various environmental groups (we're big
on
the nature conservancy these days).  dar will not take any money from
this
account.

no one will hassle you for making and trading tapes among friends, but if
we
ever have to deal with somebody putting out a bootleg cd, we will chase
them
to the ends of the earth (mortal or not) and chew their knees off.
****************

as i also mentioned, you can buy posters, pins, etc. in exchange for
contributions.  to find out about this, you can email dar's management or
her publicicst at :   yhmgt@aol.com  or yhpub@aol.com.

one more thing to clarify that i wasn't very clear on last night.  dar's
management is not selling the copies of the early tapes.  a member of the
dar list volunteered to make copies of the tape in exchange for blanks
and a $10 contribution to the mef.  since he was so overwhelmed with
responses (over $1,000)  he has closed his offer.   sorry for any
confusion.

  harry a. keates
  email: hak@crai.com

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date:         thu, 10 oct 1996 10:41:03 edt
reply-to:     "christopher m. becker" <cmbecker@space.mit.edu>
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from:         "christopher m. becker" <cmbecker@space.mit.edu>
subject:      covers by folks who just shouldn't...

last night i went out bar hopping with kim and a bunch of her
co-workers, towards the end of the night (like 12:30) we ended up at
the purple shamrock near faneuil hall.  they had this guy doing the
single acoustic guaitar balladeer thing and he just sucked.  he tried
to cover rem, guns and roses, aerosmith, the dead (just how hard is it
to remember the words to "uncle john's band"?) and tracy chapman (a note
to drunk, white-bread college boys everywhere -- it is not possible
for you to cover "revolution" well. it loses somthing in translation.
just don't do it!).  this guy thought he was hot becasue he had a
wireless set up so he could wander about the bar playing, then outside
standing on a garbage can to the passers by.  he was so bad, kim went
to turn off the radio receiver when he went outside -- but the
bartender stoped her *sigh*.

anyway after all of this, standing on the garbage can, he (attempts)
to break into "closer to fine" -- i lost it.  kim lost it.  kim's
co-workers lost it (it turns out they are big fans too =) ).  trashing
words, trashing chords, you name it.  we left immediately.  i mean,
its hard to absoultely ruin ctf....

anyway i had to share my misery, and there was actual igc!  has anyone
else had a similar experience?

                                -- chris

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date:         thu, 10 oct 1996 10:28:33 -0500
reply-to:     tritessa <gsajaf@noctrl.edu>
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from:         tritessa <gsajaf@noctrl.edu>
subject:      re: amy ray looks like...
x-to:         chickensoprano <creechal@aslan.emu.edu>
in-reply-to:  <20dde0c0a74@aslan.emu.edu>

gee... i like to think that amy looks like, well... amy. go fig.

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date:         thu, 10 oct 1996 13:42:39 -0400
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from:         atlmouse@aol.com
subject:      covering songs...

hey!
i used to catch a band in tampa called "halcyon".  they used to cover a lot
of ig and me, and they weren't bad!!!
now they pretty much play their own stuff, which i don't particularly care
for.
there albums are available through the laddyslipper catalog, if anyone is
interested.
~~robin

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date:         thu, 10 oct 1996 14:01:13 -0400
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subject:      re: skipping songs...ctf -reply

>sorry, i'd have to disagree.  in my experience, most people know galileo or
least complicated, and sometimes both.  i'd say that ctf comes in 3rd, but a
distant 3rd. >

hey y'all
  i've been thinking about the recent discussion on ctf .  i would say  that
it *is* the most recognizable song that the indigo girls perform, but it may
not be the most recognizable song by the ig.  many people have heard of ctf
because it is always sung around campfires and the like, but they don't know
who wrote it.  it's a catchy song and while everyone doesn't know all the
lyrics, many know at least the chorus.  my friend, who is a fan of ig hadn't
heard the song done by a and e, but knew it from past experience.  as for
galileo and least complicated, they are usually immediately associated with
ig.

imoho,
*lauren*
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date:         thu, 10 oct 1996 11:22:00 -0700
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from:         ann m labeck <aml@scn.org>
subject:      re ig on aol
x-to:         sea8aggie@aol.com

hey!

amy wrote:

> for anyone who hasn't viewed the ig official web page lately, they'll
> be in the aol live auditorium on november 16 @ 10pm et.

i think that the person who does their fan club page hasn't viewed
it lately.  that's been up for over a year!

maybe if we all mailed russell carter's office and told 'em to
update the page?  i mean, really!

if i can find the transcript from nov. 16, 1995, shall i post it?

still waiting for the ig newsletter to arrive quarterly
like they promised a year ago,

ann

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all is being very wasteful.
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date:         thu, 10 oct 1996 14:36:01 -0400
reply-to:     "keates, harry" <hak@crai.com>
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from:         "keates, harry" <hak@crai.com>
organization: charles river associates
subject:      re: covers by folks who just shouldn't...
in-reply-to:  <65197237011c0e00>

>anyway i had to share my misery, and there was actual igc!  has anyone
>else had a similar experience?
>
>                                -- chris

have i ever.  in my town this summer, they had a sunday series of
concerts on the common where different musicains would come and play each
week.  each artist was listed with the type of music that they played,
and there were four acts listed as folk or folk/rock.  so my little
family went to all four of those shows.

the first was a husband and wife team that was really bland.   they
covered closer to fine and power of two and did an ok  job, i.e. i can't
say it was good, but it was ig and it wasn't awful.  they also played
angel from montgomery.

the second was a woman who had some pretty intersting original songs.
she did ctf also, and it was ok, she was really into it. she also did
angel.

the third was a two guys that had a whole band with them and were really
quite good.  they did buffalo springfield, csny, and a lot of older folk
songs.  they also did an ig song, i think it was tried to be true, and
were quite good.  i gave them bonus points for originality (i.e. not ctf)
and because they did a good job.  by far the best of the summer.  they
did the best job yet on angel too..

(i can understand them all playing ig, but i have no idea how it happened
that they all played angel from montgomery of all songs)

anyway, finally came the terror.  the town chorus, came and was terrible
all through the show.  really painful.  about half way through, i said
"please don't let them play any ig."  and my wife said "i guarantee you
they will."  about two songs later, most of the chorus left and the one
woman who was the main person said something like "now i'm going to do a
couple of songs that are my favorites."  my wife looked at me and
laughed, sure enough,  closer to fine!!!   i felt really bad because she
clearly loved the song, but just couldn't sing it.  i was all set for
angel as the other song, when she did another ig song!  i can't remember
what it was becuase i blocked it out completely.  too painful.

  harry a. keates
  email: hak@crai.com

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date:         thu, 10 oct 1996 13:06:41 mst
reply-to:     jody k baker <bakerjo@caedm.et.byu.edu>
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subject:      what is appropriate? please read. (igc)

dear (ig?) list
there has been some discussion of what is appropriate and what isn't
appropriate in terms of posting. i want to agree with greg and other
people who want to limit it somewhat. i have an account in my
engineering lab, and i only get up here twice a week. normally, i
have 400-500 messages waiting for me, and about 1/3 are igc. this is
ridiculous. i don't want to have to unsubscribe, but i will have to
if things don't improve..

ig related  means...
concert info, boot info, stories, dreams, lyric discussions,
upcoming events, tv appearances, etc. etc....
guitar stuff,
political stuff (as long as it is an area the girls support)
list shirts, list bumper stickers, etc.
michelle malone, michael lorant, and other artists directly related to
ig.

although i realize that a lot of listmembers share the same
interests (ie: ellen, ani difranco, me, shawn colvin) i think it's
silly to have more messages about these people then about ig. it's
been worse lately because a and e are in studio, but it's always been
bad if you ask me.

i definitely do not want to hear about someone's cat or someone's pig
professor or the band they are starting up or any other personal
info that is completely nigc. i know i can delete it, but i don't really think i should have
to. just for the sake of making a point, i counted the nigc's in my
mailbox this morning. i had 511 messages. over 350 were nigc. c'mon
you guys! resist the urge to post! if you can't say something ig
related, don't say anything at all! make a distribution list of your
'list friends" and tell them about your cat!

just my thoughts.

jody

ps. by the way, my appendix was removed without a hitch, my parents got
back together, my cat had 7 healthy kittens, my biggest pet peeve is
people who make out at concerts, my band just finished our first cd,
my partner wants to know what sign everybody is, and i heard ellen is
going to drop yet another hint in her next episode.

pps. if you want to flame me, please do so privately.

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date:         thu, 10 oct 1996 15:21:29 -0400
reply-to:     jennie <jriley@sophia.smith.edu>
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subject:      re: covers by folks who just shouldn't...
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i had a bad experience like that in high school!  i was at a national
honor society convention, and one of the "performers" was this awful
woman with an acoustic guitar.  i cringed and almost cried when she
butchered melissa etheridge's "chrome plated heart", but when she
proceeded to absolutely kill ctf (bad playing, didn't know the correct
words, etc) i had to run out of the room.  i wanted to take her guitar
away and hide it for the sake of humanity.  the woman was b-a-d.

happy day anyway,
jennie

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date:         thu, 10 oct 1996 12:58:29 -0500
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subject:      thankyouthankyouthankyou

hey ya'll-

just a huge thanks to all who mailed me privately yesterday when i was feeling
total and eternal angst.....i am feeling a little more up today.....i even
turned te lights on in my room!  thanks so much to all, you guys are the
greatest!

love-

karrie

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from:         kristal elaine cain <kec8144@tam2000.tamu.edu>
subject:      flamee grandee

okay it's me, the one who started all this mess with my no story. i've
been sitting back and reading the flames, glad that i'm not a sensitive
person b/c you guys get pretty harse when you want to. after all this
it's been determined that i was no slimmy shimmier who stole places from
deserving or non deserving fans, so the problem as i understand was with
the fact that i had the gall to dance in front of my seat. now i realize
that to some this is a mortal sin, punishable by death. how could i have
the nerve to dance at an indigo show, i just don't know. those few among
you who know/have met me are aware of my energetic nature and can attest
that sitting down for those few songs was an exersize in strength i do
not care to repeat. and the idea of sitting for the entire show is beyond
imagination. so if this is truly what the problem has boiled down to, to
dance or not to dance, then i'll freely accept any flames, for i am a
firm believer in the right to dance, to twirl, to sing, to scream. there
are shows were i do my best to control myself and seat dance, ie joan
baez, tracy chapman etc. but there are those shows which are too much
none passive pleasure person to handle sitting down. i'm sorry if i have
ever blocked any ones view and ruined there show, but sittig down would
ruin mine. and imho this is the girls, why the hell would you want to sit
anyway. in fact the girls themselves voiced their approval of our
dancing, i was not alone, to hear just play your copy of the boot. they
have always loved for people to dance at their shows and i am more than
happy to do so.
awaiting flames for what i believe in
kristal, the second half of the worlds greatest interprtive dance duo
hi binky

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date:         thu, 10 oct 1996 13:15:28 -0500
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subject:      nigc: ani difranco

hi all

i have tickets to see ani in about a month, but i only own "not a pretty
girl". i don't have the money to buy a ton of albums, so can someone
recommend one or two to me?
thanks!

peace
-kay

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subject:      hugs are gooood (fwd)

i just got this off the student nurse list and since it also includes a
most excellent ig quote, it is icg!!! (sly, ain't i?)  anyway, y'all need
one of these.

            hh      hh      uu      uu      gggggggg
            hh      hh      uu      uu      gg
            hh      hh      uu      uu      gg
            hhhhhhhhhh      uu      uu      gg   ggg
            hh      hh      uu      uu      gg     g
            hh      hh      uu      uu      gg     g
            hh      hh      uuuuuuuuuu      gggggggg
                            o       o
                                |
                           \_________/
this is an e-mail hug.  i think you all need to send this to 5 people,
and you will be happy.  okay, at least send it to one person, and i
will be happy.

>> "the best thing you ever done for me,
>>  is to help me take my life less seriously,
>>  it's only life after all!"
>>
>>                   -lyrics from "closer to fine" by the indigo girls.
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>--
>                                _____________
>                               /\___  ____  _\
>                               \/__/\ \__/\ \/
>                                  _\ \ \ \ \ \
>                                 /\ \_\ \ \ \ \
>                                 \ \____/  \ \_\
>                                  \/___/    \/_/
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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subject:      i'd like to tour, please help - nigc

hi folks.  if you are west of the mississippi, please help.  i would like to
do a little musical tour this winter, and need to know where to book shows.
here's what i am looking for:

i would like to head west from chicago in february and come back by april,
and that's about it!  i enjoy skiing, so it would be nice to be near snowy
mountains.  (but warm weather states are certainly not out of the
question!!!!!!!)

a) i am one-man acoustic (possibly two or three if my friends decide to get
crazy and tag along); i'll do originals or covers, i don't care; i just
freakin' love music, all kinds (esp. ig)!  (see postscript for a little more
info about my music...)

b) i am interested in names of bars/taverns, contacts at schools,
names/contacts for any festivals you can think of in this time frame;

c) if you can help, give me the following, please:

if it's a bar:
the establishment name, city, and state (phone and contacts if you know it,
but don't go out of your way, i can take it from there)

if it's your school:
name of the school, city, state, name of persons and/or organizations to
contact (and the number if you know it, but again, please don't go out of
your way)

if it's a festival or something other than a bar or school:
city, state, dates,uh......anything else you know

thank you so much in advance :-)

please don't respond to the list, but to me privately at mylzt1@aol.com

if you respond, and would like a free demo, please send me your mailing
address too.  if you are hesitant to send your mailing address over the 'net,
uh...i promise i am not in the business of selling addresses to mailing
lists, nor am i a stalker.  i just want to fill the air with beautiful music,
i swear......... :-)

peace,
aras

ps---in one-man format (heck, in any format), my music could be described as
intense, melodic, structured, and designed to keep listener interest (ie, not
overly repetitive, i try to be creative with arrangements, rhythms, chord
progressions, and those extra touches).  there is no abusive screaming, nor
is there any wimpy noodling.  i try to always be 'controlled powerful',
whether soft or loud.  lyrically, i try to communicate a positive message,
with lots of heartfelt emotion, on everything from relationships, sanity,
god, people in general.  gee, sounds real original so far, right?
weeeeellll, send me some info and i'll send you a tape, and you can hear for
yo'self!!!!!

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subject:      re: practicing what we preach & all that
x-to:         abigail <abaroo@execpc.com>
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it's a good point, ab, and that is part of the reason that jessi and i
hung out in the bleachers until pusa were over.  even if we had wanted to
be in thefront thru all the other bands, the mosh pit was brutal and we
wouldn't have lasted long.  we rushed the front as soon as the presidents'
last encore was over...and we were in the very front row for ig.  and for
the record, i thought it was a great line up for an all-day event.  i'm a
fan of rev horton heat and i was impressed by the prez's, went out and
bought their album after the concert.  it was a far better all day event
than lollapalooza or end-fest ever was.

on wed, 9 oct 1996, abigail wrote:

<good points about practicing what we preach>

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>
> what i'm proposing:  there are some basic boots everyone on the list needs,
> like tuesday children, blue food, color me grey, the purple parrot, the
> dugout, the white dot.  all of these are 60 min except for the pp which is
> 90.  how many of you folks have all of these boots?  would you like to
share?
>  it would save a lot of time trading boots if we could just cut to the
other
> ig stuff and assume everyone already has these basic boots.
>

i hold my head in shame...because i have never had anything to trade, i've
always been reluctant to ask for boots.  after much therapy, however, i have
come to terms with this fear, and will now confront it head on...i am in
desperate need of the "basics" mentioned above, like i said, i have nothing
to offer except for a great big thank you!!!
stephen

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subject:      nigc: new address to flame

just fyi for anyone who cares... note my new address... don't use caps if
you want me to see it.  :-)  that's all.

fave non lyric quote:  "what kind of a question is that!!?" (or whatever it
is... my video is packed still) when amy was asked how many strings she has
broken.

tracy

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thats nice but i didnt write this<g>


on thu, 10 oct 1996 stgilis@aol.com wrote:

> >
> > what i'm proposing:  there are some basic boots everyone on the list needs,
> > like tuesday children, blue food, color me grey, the purple parrot, the
> > dugout, the white dot.  all of these are 60 min except for the pp which is
> > 90.  how many of you folks have all of these boots?  would you like to
> share?
> >  it would save a lot of time trading boots if we could just cut to the
> other
> > ig stuff and assume everyone already has these basic boots.
> >
>
> i hold my head in shame...because i have never had anything to trade, i've
> always been reluctant to ask for boots.  after much therapy, however, i have
> come to terms with this fear, and will now confront it head on...i am in
> desperate need of the "basics" mentioned above, like i said, i have nothing
> to offer except for a great big thank you!!!
> stephen
>

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subject:      non-lyric

don't know which  boot it was on but amy introduces them as
"we're amy ray"..so on the purple parrott boot..emily says.".we call
ourselves amy ray..i'm amy ..shes's ray."
amy replies.."thats right..get used to it"..a bit later em reports that
"after 3 bottles of wine", anything will sound good to her " referring to
amys monitor check...further on emily kids.."amys' wasted" while amy
slurrs back" don't be so childish" ( but its pretty obvious she is..)
i just like to hear the good natured ribbing that only good friends could
get away with..

oh and to "my new best friend"..got your blanks in the mail..makin yer
boots even as we speak....

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don't know which  boot it was on but amy introduces them as
"we're amy ray"..so on the purple parrott boot..emily says.".we call
ourselves amy ray..i'm amy ..shes's ray."
amy replies.."thats right..get used to it"..a bit later em reports that
"after 3 bottles of wine", anything will sound good to her " referring to
amys monitor check...further on emily kids.."amys' wasted" while amy
slurrs back" don't be so childish" ( but its pretty obvious she is..)
i just like to hear the good natured ribbing that only good friends could
get away with..

oh and to "my new best friend"..got your blanks in the mail..makin yer
boots even as we speak....

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subject:      nigc: joan armatrading

ok, i know this is a long shot, but, did anyone bootleg
joan armatrading's set at the nff this summer?  she was
just so great, and i keep listening to her cd's, and i
now want that bootleg...

can anyone help me?
renee

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out of range
ben

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on thu, 10 oct 1996 stgilis@aol.com wrote:

> > what i'm proposing:  there are some basic boots everyone on the list needs,
> > like tuesday children, blue food, color me grey, the purple parrot, the
> > dugout, the white dot.  all of these are 60 min except for the pp which is
> > 90.  how many of you folks have all of these boots?  would you like to
> share?
> >  it would save a lot of time trading boots if we could just cut to the
> other
> > ig stuff and assume everyone already has these basic boots.
>
> i hold my head in shame...because i have never had anything to trade, i've
> always been reluctant to ask for boots.  after much therapy, however, i have
> come to terms with this fear, and will now confront it head on...i am in
> desperate need of the "basics" mentioned above, like i said, i have nothing
> to offer except for a great big thank you!!!

i hope you all will pardon me for doing this, but, me too! i don't have
any of the aformentioned boots and would give my first born (if i had
one) for them.

                                                        tuesday's child

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subject:      covers by people who shouldn't

ok, iam admitting to one of the most horrifying things, i am one of those
people who covered something and shouldn't have.  at this talent show, i was
already playing in, an act dropped out, so they asked me to do a little
sumpthin solo.  i asked my friend to sing ctf.  oh my !!!!!!! i haven't even
gone through the whole chord progression, before i break a string.  so this
crazy sound comes out.  then i have never heard someone hit notes like this
before.  she's a good singer, don't get me wrong, but she's the singing
actress type and everything is enunciated.  it was the longest 3 and 1/2
minutes of my life.   anyways...i have since made up for my butchering and
played a few ig songs quite well  in public.  but no one can do em like a and
e.

peace
sasha

by the way i was once horrified to hear hootie and the blowfish covering ctf.
needless to say, i was not impressed.

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from:         sasha friedman <indigofrk@aol.com>
subject:      re: re ig on aol

in a message dated 96-10-10 18:19:37 edt, you write:

>maybe if we all mailed russell carter's office and told 'em to
>update the page?  i mean, really!
>
>still waiting for the ig newsletter to arrive quarterly
>like they promised a year ago,
>
>

i second that.  ya know, it would be nice to just get a little sumpthin from
the fan club once in a while, when they weren't trying to sell something.
maybe just a xeroxed picture of them or something.  you know we all can
email them, their address is

igfan@rcam.com

imagine, the looks when they finally check the mail and see how much there
is.

sasha

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subject:      wkhs / world cafe

^&$@#%^$*%^$%~!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i give up...  right now i'd believe that wkhs is intentionally planning
their broadcast schedule to interfere with any rebroadcast of wc that xpn
could plan.  it's a high school radio station... why in the hell are they
broadcasting at 9 freakin' pm???

sorry, i just hadda vent. :)

more than a little irritated, and considering blowing up wkhs' transmitter.

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| who are unable to connect to the profound - people such as my boring      |
| brother-in-law, a hearty type so concerned with normality and fitting in  |
| that he eliminates any possibility of uniqueness for himself and his own  |
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subject:      re: nigc - feminist thinkers

> susan b. anthony

that's what i ended up using.  i was writing a "packing sheet" last
night for a character that i'm playing for a scene in my acting class
and i needed a symbol of a strong woman working for women.  i
figured this list would be the best place to ask.  well, too bad i
didn't get all of these wonderful suggestions until *after* i had
turned the paper in.  my own fault for waiting until 11pm the night
before to write it... :}

thanks for your suggestions.  perhaps this will be some reading i
could do the next time i don't have *anything* to study for...yeah,
right, whatever... :)

anna

"a male gynecologist is like an auto mechanic
who has never owned a car."  -carrie snow

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subject:      non song quotes

here's a couple of my favorite amy quotes.

how can we forget this classic that ended up in everyone's sig at some
point last year? ;)

        "teach me, oh goddess of wit."
                        -- from "watershed"

and i like this one from a show at rdr in '94.


"i've tried real hard to quiet myself my whole life and i've decided in
the last couple years not to (laughs). (cheers from audience)

i thought i was loud before but now i'm really loud."


                                                        tuesday's child

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subject:      dates of ig boots

hey all in ig land!

i guess my original post never made it here, so here i go again.
i am looking for the dates and venues of my older ig boots.
if anyone can help me out it would be much appreciated.  here is
what i am looking for dates and venues for:

blue food
ig ep
color me grey
purple parrot
shades of indigo
tuesday's children

if anyone can help me out i will be tryly indebted to you. thanks a lot!

take care and peace y'all!

-deb

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subject:      everybody's waiting

hi everyone.
i just got my no curfews boot (thanks kevin and the person who made the
original - i forget who) and i absolutely love this song!  i have never
heard it before.  and, because i'm a newbie, i am unaware of any
information/discussion that has occurred about everybody's waiting.  could
anyone fill me in with info about this song?
thanks,
lori


"if it makes you happy, it couldn't be that bad."
                                         sheryl crow

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subject:      igfan@rcam.com

>>>>i second that.  ya know, it would be nice to just get a little
sumpthin from the fan club once in a while, when they weren't trying
to sell something.  maybe just a xeroxed picture of them or something.
  you know we all can email them, their address is...

igfan@rcam.com

imagine, the looks when they finally check the mail and see how much
there is.<<<<

don't worry about it.  the only thing that is going to survive a
nuclear winter will not be a cockroach.  no, my fellow listees, it
will be the ig fan club e-mail mailbox.  it will also be huge; by
that time it's size should allow for competition with the himalayan
mountain range.  the only person known to have received a response
was jimmy hoffa (and look what happened to him).

just a thought...

melissa

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subject:      honor1, vote no on 209 (calif.)

wow, i just got honor1 and i must say it is so cool.  i have to confess i
hadn't heard blood quantum yet (true, i am as yet bootless, but i am
working on that  -- ;-) wink wink to my new best friend)  and i love the
way amy plays with doing that native american style vocal fluctuation
thing (not sure what to call it) at the end of the song, and the lullabye
they close the song with is pure bliss.  just thought i'd share my joy
with y'all

also, for anyone living/voting in the state of california, i hope you all
know if you want to save affirmative action and keep discrimination
illegal, that we all need to rally up to vote no on prop 209 on nov. 5.
it is called the california civil rights initiative, but it is really a
well-disguised anti-affirmative-action initiative which would make
discrimination based on sex, race, national origin, etc. legal.  my
computer lab is closing, but if you want more info, californians, write back!

no on 209!

the lone coyote

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subject:      honor the earth concert broadcasts

just wanted to pass this along from the latest monsterbit media newsletter:

*************************************
honor the earth concert broadcasts
*************************************
with the release of the benefit cd honor i, the musical side of the honor
the earth campaign is in full swing. to celebrate, monsterbit will
broadcast another honor the earth benefit concert live from the shangri-la
studios in malibu, california on thursday, october 17th. starting at 8:15
p.m pst, the accoustic performances will feature indigo girls, toad the wet
sprocket, john trudell, sherman alexie, poetic justice and other very
special guests. for broadcast information, look to http://monsterbit.com/
or http://honorearth.com/.

on september 20th, monsterbit facilitated the first honor the earth
internet broadcast featuring the indigo girls, bruce cockburn, sherman
alexie, and indigenous in a benefit concert live from northrup auditorium
at the university of minnesota campus.

thanks to a sponsorship from realaudio, we were able to bring quality sound
to this quality concert. we were very pleased with the response, and mellie
and david were able to stay warm enough in the whiles of the minnesota
autumn. we also want to thank progressive networks and yahoo for featuring
a link to monsterbit.com on their sites the week of the broadcast.

and for all you burgeoning musicians, honor the earth is offering a silent
auction of an acoustic epiphone guitar with a pickup. the guitar is
autographed by many artists involved with the honor the earth campaign,
including both amy and emily from indigo girls, all the members of hootie
and the blowfish, wavy gravy, michelle shocked, jesse colin young, jackson
browne, john trudell, and buffy sainte-marie to name a few. together with
honor the earth, ksca/fm 101.9 is the promotional sponsor for the silent
auction and will feature registration information on their web site as
well. all net proceeds from the auction will directly support indigenous
groups working to defend their sacred sites and protect their communities
from environmental degradation. to place a bid, users can sign up on the
web site at honorearth.com.

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date:         fri, 11 oct 1996 07:33:02 gmt
reply-to:     georg petersen <georg.petersen@kiel.netsurf.de>
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from:         georg petersen <georg.petersen@kiel.netsurf.de>
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subject:      next netcast oct 17th

hi y'all, just found this in a mail from monsterbit:=20

>with the release of the benefit cd honor i, the musical side of the =
honor
>the earth campaign is in full swing. to celebrate, monsterbit will
>broadcast another honor the earth benefit concert live from the =
shangri-la
>studios in malibu, california on thursday, october 17th. starting at =
8:15
>p.m pst, the accoustic performances will feature indigo girls, toad the =
wet
>sprocket, john trudell, sherman alexie, poetic justice and other very
>special guests. for broadcast information, look to =
http://monsterbit.com/
>or http://honorearth.com/.

georg


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got too much of a mind. wouldn't you rather be happy ? - dead kennedys

georg petersen, heintzestrasse 20, d-24582 bordesholm, germany

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subject:      non-lyric quotes

from blue food, just before they sing the last song, emily thanks everyone for
coming, then says, "congratulations to all graduates -- hope y'all come back
to atlanta. we'll be at the dugout for the rest of our lives, so y'all stop
back by." then someone from the audience asks her a question. "my tour?" and
she laughs. "yeah, i'll be touring europe -- y'all stop by there too."

quite a funny statement, in retrospect. i wonder if she remembers saying it.

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date:         fri, 11 oct 1996 08:50:38 -0400
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from:         motor625@aol.com
subject:      happy coming out day!  (nigc)

happy to everyone here...i had a minor minor happiness this morning when i
woke up and read the paper and discovered that my editor had in fact printed
the "c'mon people love one another right now" style gay-rights commentary i
sent her.  hooray!   irony, irony...in an hour or so i'm heading off to a
middle school journalism class as a guest speaker in...(no, not ig, my real
specialty ;) commentary-writing!  how...apropos!  impressionable young
children...?  :)  thanks to everyone who told me the date of this...
love and indigos and good editors
katy :)

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subject:      nigc (cheryl wheeler in seattle)

cheryl wheeler will be performing in seattle on nov.6. does anyone want to
meet up for the show? email me if interested.

bon

bonster@u.washington.edu

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subject:      catie curtis pages
x-to:         ani-difranco@world.std.com, dar-list@world.std.com

i've noticed some discussion of catie recently on the list and i'd like
to announce to y'all that i've just put up some web pages for her. they
include bio information, release info, tour dates and ordering info for
her earlier two releases (dandelion and from years to hours). in the next
couple of months i'll be including more photos, a "notes from the road"
section and any information on new releases as it becomes available.

the url:

http://www.cgrg.ohio-state.edu/~kcizas/catie_curtis/

or, access it through the biography pages at folkbook (and look around
while you're there)

http://www.cgrg.ohio-state.edu/folkbook

enjoy!

kristina

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kristina cizas                           "trust only movement.
kcizas@cgrg.ohio-state.edu                life happens at the level of events
                                          not of words. trust movement."
       ~~~~~~~~~                                        -alfred adler
"oh you set up your place in my thoughts
moved in and made my thinking crowded..."
                  -emily saliers
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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subject:      my new purple theory

hi everyone!  well, i was suppose to be studying for this pesky gre that i
have to take tomorrow. ugh, but i decided to watch watershed instead.  (i
don't know what i was thinking, maybe there will be some quetions pertaing
to ig on the gre, hah!)  but, being almost as obssessed with the purple as
i am with ig,(ask karey, she's seen my room)  i noticed that emily wears a
lot of purple throughout the video!!!!  woo hoo!!!
three specific instances:
1) in one of the beginning shots, i can't remember which, emily and amy's
faces are kinda transposed over one another, and they are singing, and
emily has on big purple earrings
2) during the hammer and nail video, emily wears a purple turtleneck, which
also pops up throughout the rest of the video  (my mother, coincidently has
this same turtleneck, which supports my mother is an emily look-a-like
theory)
3) during the interview on the cable station, where a & e are talking about
how they started playing together,  emily is wearing bright purple pants.
only a true lover of purple would wear those.

so my new theory is that emily is a purple person!!!  not that this really
pertains to anything, unless you love purple, so i'll stop babbling. :)

peace, love, and purple,
the one and only...sundara

"in the recognition of loving lies the answer to despair."

                        audre lorde

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from:         karey weisman eals <karey@u.washington.edu>
subject:      re: happy coming out day!  (nigc)
in-reply-to:  <961011085037_207874598@emout12.mail.aol.com>

hi everyone!
this is complete nigc but sort of related, so whatever to all of you who
don't like it.  i'm just writing to celebrate the fact that i came out to
my spanish class today (in spanish)!  i hope everybody has a great ncod
and a fun weekend.
love,
karey
(ps tracy i'll write soon, sorry)

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subject:      re: my favorite layered vocal

ok, this is an old thread & maybe i missed something, but it
seems that nobody's posted "virginia woolfe" as having their favorite
layered vocals.  that's my vote - any version, with or w/o david crosby.

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subject:      re: shame on you, first single etc.

another old thread, but i just got my bumbershoot bootleg (yay, thanks
melissa!!) and most definitely, "shame on you" oughtta be their first
single.  screw the naughty words!  runner up would be "it's alright" but
i don't think it even comes close to "shame on you" as 'single' material.
not that i don't like all the new songs, but a single needs that catchy
melodic pop feel, which soy has, plus it's a damn good song overall.

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subject:      alright folks

will the folks who were gonna be on my tape tree contact me ive moved in
somewhat and have my tapes ready i found the texas one kelly has copied
some for some folks already and i got tapes from one other i have to send
to so my tape tree folks for the lancaster boot and the texas boot write
me for my new addy

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subject:      re: my new purple theory
x-to:         sundara <smurphy@ups.edu>
in-reply-to:  <v01530505ae83daf72898@[192.220.223.85]>

hey, it kinda goes with the purple parrot!  so i guess now the question
is, is amy blue or gray, and if blue, who is gray?  and who's indigo?  we
could go places with this, kids!
chris ii

> lot of purple throughout the video!!!!  woo hoo!!!
> three specific instances:
> 1) in one of the beginning shots, i can't remember which, emily and amy's
> faces are kinda transposed over one another, and they are singing, and
> emily has on big purple earrings
> 2) during the hammer and nail video, emily wears a purple turtleneck, which
> also pops up throughout the rest of the video  (my mother, coincidently has
> this same turtleneck, which supports my mother is an emily look-a-like
> theory)
> 3) during the interview on the cable station, where a & e are talking about
> how they started playing together,  emily is wearing bright purple pants.
> only a true lover of purple would wear those.
>
> so my new theory is that emily is a purple person!!!  not that this really
> pertains to anything, unless you love purple, so i'll stop babbling. :)
>
> peace, love, and purple,
>  the one and only...sundara
>
> "in the recognition of loving lies the answer to despair."
>
>                         audre lorde
>
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subject:      sherman alexie in milw. nigc

just thought i'd let anyone in milwaukee know that sherman alexie,(a really
great artist who was on the honor cd) is going to be at schwartz's bookstore
on oakland this coming tuesday evening. apparently he's an author as well
and he'll be reading from his new novel, indian killer.

:) abigail


"i will not be....

a pawn" ~emily saliers

afraid of women" ~dar williams

complacent!!!" ~amy ray

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subject:      sherman alexie in milw. nigc

abigail wrote....

>>just thought i'd let anyone in milwaukee know that sherman alexie,
(a really
great artist who was on the honor cd) is going to be at schwartz's
bookstore
on oakland this coming tuesday evening. apparently he's an author as
well
and he'll be reading from his new novel, indian killer.<<<<

this guy's a terrific writer.  i'm reading "reservation blues" right
now & it's the type of book that get's one thinking differently.
real cool.

melissa

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subject:      nuclear winter (nigc- sorry y'all, compulsion to share)

i remember reading somewhere that twinkies have a shelf life longer than the
average smoker.  in fact, they have a shelf life of over a million or so
years.  so the only things that are going to survive a nuclear holocaust are
twinkies and cockroaches.  at least, the only living things...

alec
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everything that i believe is wrong with you, is wrong with me
everything i truly love, i love in you and i love in me
so give me hope, give me hope, that emptiness brings fullness
and loss of love brings wholeness
                -amy ray (hand me downs)

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subject:      re: happy coming out day!  (nigc)
x-to:         karey weisman eals <karey@u.washington.edu>

felicidades!  congradulaciones.  era este el vez primero?  como paso?  dime
lo que paso!!!  :)
alec
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everything i truly love, i love in you and i love in me
so give me hope, give me hope, that emptiness brings fullness
and loss of love brings wholeness
                -amy ray (hand me downs)

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from:         susan tomlinson <teddie@telepath.com>
subject:      re: sherman alexie in milw. nigc

hi all!

i just finished "the lone range and tonto fist fight in heaven" - i =
picked it up today, sat down and couldn't stop 'til i was finished. it =
is absolutely incredible - achingly beautiful and hopeless, ironic and =
somehow optimistic. superlatives fail me. i feel a definite alexie binge =
coming on; i'm holing up for the weekend (and a gentle reminder - unplug =
america day is sunday!!! - no e-mail kids!) with reservation blues.=20

peace,
jocelyn


"there are things you should learn. your past is a skeleton walking one =
step behind you, and your future is a skeleton walking one step in front =
of you. maybe you don't wear a watch, but your skeletons do, and they =
always know what time it is. now, these skeletons are made of memories, =
dreams and voices. and they can trap you in the in-between, between =
touching and becoming. but they're not necessarily evil, unless you let =
them be." - sherman alexie

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subject:      sherman alexie (nigc)

> just thought i'd let anyone in milwaukee know that sherman alexie,(a
> really great artist who was on the honor cd) is going to be at schwartz's
> bookstore on oakland this coming tuesday evening. apparently he's an
> author as well and he'll be reading from his new novel, indian killer.

sherman alexie is an impressive young author and poet (he did the spoken
word track on honor-1 and another man was responsible for the music).

from the web: sherman alexie was born into a spokane/cour d'alene family
in spokane, washington, in 1966. his father held a variety of jobs,
including truck driver and logger, for the spokane tribe; his mother is a
social worker. he graduated in american studies from washington state
university. since 1992 he has published seven collections of stories and
poetry, including the lone ranger and tonto fistfight in heaven (1993)
which was shortlisted for the pen/hemingway award for the best first book
of fiction and won the lila wallace-reader's digest writers' awards. his
first novel, reservation blues, appeared in 1995. he is married and lives
in seattle.

this list is outdated because he just published a new book (a mystery),
_indian killer_. alexie was named by granta one of "the twenty best
american novelists under forty."

if you want to check out some of his writing go to:

http://arts.endow.gov/community/features2/mastersurgeon.html

where there is printed his "a reservation table of the elements."

- kristina

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subject:      igs' big break in australia (heh)

hey everyone,

i think this is a definite sign that amy and emily have finally made it
in australia:  while grocery shopping with my mother the other night, i
heard "least complicated" in the supermarket (woolworths, if any of
you australians want to rush out to hear it :).  the following conversation
ensued:
        me: hey, it's the indigo girls!
        my mother: hm, what kind of frozen pizza should i get?
        me: indigo girls!
        my mother: supreme or the one with pineapple?
        me: indigo girls!  i'll be in the chocolate aisle if you need me...

also, i must apologise for complaining about how my feet hurt so
much after the nyc show.  i see now that i'm not a real fan.  if i *were*
a real fan, i would have brought an axe to the show so that i could have
cut my own feet off if it were needed.  i also wouldn't have minded
having that drunken woman shoving us and groping at me all
through the show - after all, she drunkenly shoved her way to the
front, and so she must be a real fan, right??

me?  snide?  sarcastic?  never.
sherlyn
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-   sherlyn koo - sherlyn@fl.net.au   -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
"i used to just watch "wuthering heights" - 'oh, heathcliff!!' - you
know.  now i'm like, 'oh god, you're so sick!  get some therapy,
you know... get a job!  get a hobby - something, cathy - you
know, something!'"             - megon mcdonough
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subject:      sorry y'all

in a message dated 96-10-10 14:35:01 edt, you write:

<< >>>for anyone who hasn't viewed the ig official web page lately,
they'll be in the aol live auditorium on november 16 @ 10pm et.<<<<<

sorry y'all.  i hadn't ever clicked that far down on the fan page and
thought it was actually something new.  boy did i ever give myself away.
duh!  also, sorry for the post for the millionth request for the world cafe
tape.  i had so much email to go through that day that i didn't read
carefully.  please forgive.

amy

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subject:      hint hint for fav. quote

well i found one favorite lyric/non-lyric quote all in one:

after saying how she screwed up the song withrop at newport folk fest. she
sits down at the piano and begins ....

""when we get back to winthrop' ... shit ... well i gotta get this microphone
in the right place ... alright ... i'm gonna do this every time i play this
song until the end of time ..."

emily - 8/12/96 {new hampshire}

i think i'm in trouble now ...

chris

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subject:      new fed. regs. affect tape trees

no they aren't cracking down on tape trees,
but when i was just sending out a package
with over 4 tapes i was told that this is now a slight problem
because :
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
all domestic mail, weighing 16 ounces or over, that bears stamps
and all international and military apo/fpo mail weighing 16 ounces
or over, must be prestented to a retail clerk at a post office.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

this is a result of the recent anti-terrorist act and has been causing
a bit of confusion at post offices in the usa. so if you send a package
with 5 tapes and put stamps on it the dubber has to make a special trip
to a post office to send it back to you or it will get bounced back.i just
discovered that 4 tapes weigh just under 16 ounces...since we will be
dealing with multiple tapes during the upcoming project i thought this info.
would be helpful, lest we all find ourselves in post office hell, with
packages bouncing back and stuff :)
was i obtuse enough ??? ( just an excuse to use the word 'obtuse')

ta ta my dahlings !!!

binky

" now the terrorists know
  that they need to make their bombs under 1 pound..."
(a package delivery employee said sardonically......)

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subject:      re: hint hint for fav. quote
x-to:         guinione@aol.com
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so does this account for the quote at bumbershoot?
em sits down at piano to play leeds (winthrop was later):
(dead pan face) "check, check."

on sat, 12 oct 1996 guinione@aol.com wrote:

> well i found one favorite lyric/non-lyric quote all in one:
>
> after saying how she screwed up the song withrop at newport folk fest. she
> sits down at the piano and begins ....
>
> ""when we get back to winthrop' ... shit ... well i gotta get this microphone
> in the right place ... alright ... i'm gonna do this every time i play this
> song until the end of time ..."
>
> emily - 8/12/96 {new hampshire}
>
> i think i'm in trouble now ...
>
> chris
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subject:      nigc - michelle shocked lyrics

can any one tell me where i can find the lyrics to, "come a long way."

trant

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subject:      re: indigo video tapes??

>hi folks!
>
>i hope everyone is having a splendid day!
>
>i was just wondering if anyone out there had video tape of ig on such shows as:
>1) austin city limits (i know that there is at *least* one occasion where they
>were on with nanci griffith and mary chapin),
>2) david letterman (i remember seeing them on there around the time that
>boys on
>the side came out, if i'm not mistaken), or
>3) other cool appearances.

>joy to the world and peace on earth and all that, :)
>tamara


   hey y'all,

   i am working on this project for the list.  i have like 12 unreleased ig
videos some of them as long as 6 hours.  i am going through them to make
one big compilation video for the list.  this is a very time consuming
project and i don't estimate completion until thanksgiving or xmas, but i
am working on this.
i've got a list of like 8 video dubbers for the tree, but i still need more!


                        --sunny

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subject:      oct 13 unplug america

hey y'all,

   just a reminder that tomorrow (sunday) is unplug america day.

                we will not be complacent
                we will not be consumers


                        --sunny


see y'all monday.

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subject:      taping..nigc

hi everyone...
i was wondering if you guys could help me out... i am going to see shawn
colvin in like a week and a half ( it's free !! : )  and i want to tape her
show...do you guys have any hints or wanna share taping secrets, caus emy
trusty old tape recorder doesn't make that good quality ...my friend uses a
minidiscman and some other stuff, i just wanted to know what you all use. so
if anyone is willing to help me out here, anything would be greatly
appreciated....


peace
sasha

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subject:      a new thread...

we did this one about 6 months ago, but now it seems we have a bunch of new
folks here, so i'd like to kick it up again - because many of the comments
are so funny.

you know you're an obsessed indigo girls fan when...


- jen hall

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subject:      re: oct 13 unplug america

in a message dated 96-10-12 21:08:18 edt, sunny writes:

<< just a reminder that tomorrow (sunday) is unplug america day.
  >>

i was just thinking about that yesterday, and it occured to me how
much my life depends electricity..well it doesn't exactly depend
on it, but for instance......do i need to unplug my refridgerator and
let everything in the freezer thaw...and take all of my food out and put
it in a cooler with ice ??? (i just went to costco and really stocked up :(
...or can i just not eat anything out of it (which i would prefer).
i also really need to -drive- to work (120 miles one way)...that's
not technically electricity...but i don't know.... :)

oh well....i'll do the best i can ! ta-ta my dahlinks', see you monday !

binky
(complicated girl)

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subject:      sort of ig, a bit about michelle malone

hey y'all...

just lurking and reading, glad y'all are out there. i'm sitting here crying
to "fare thee well". sigh...just been feeling abandoned by a friend lately.
kerrie, i read your post about being in love with your friend and i can
really relate. i finally broke down about bought 1200 curfews...it's $26
well spent, i can tell you. i love the liner notes.

"maybe if i'd fanned the blazing fire of your day to day...or if i'd been
older...i'd been wise..."

michelle malone played the high hat blues club here in athens thursday
night...due to a huge test friday i couldn't go. she did two shows, a 9 pm
no smoking and an 11 pm smoking, i believe. if there's a review in the
local paper i'll post it.

that's all.

shanna

sfreeman@coe.uga.edu

"mercy, what i won't give...to have the things that mean the most not to
mean the things i miss" -e sailers

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"you know your an obsessed indigo girls fan when...."

.....your best friend sends you a mix tape entitled, "music beyond indigo
girls."
wait.... is there such a thing?

-kristen

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mind, there are few."
     "the truth is always near at hand, within your reach."  -suzuki

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"you know your an obsessed indigo girls fan when...."

...every tape, record and/or cd you grab for is indigo girls, yet, you
don't have enough of their music!"


renee

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subject:      bootleg

how can i get a copy of the bumbershoot bootleg?
thanks.

elizabeth young
dopey

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... you look for ig albums in every music store you visit, even though you
have all of them already. if they don't carry any, you leave in a huff.
stores with no taste don't get _my_ business! :)

                                emily

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you know you are an obsessed fan when...

someone you've just met flips through your cd carrying case and says,
"damn, there's a lot of indigo girls in here!"  and you reply "can't leave
home without them."

veronica


^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
        and the best thing you've ever done for me
        is to help me take my life less seriously
        it's only life after all

                                        -- emily saliers
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

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subject:      non-lyric quote...

i don't know if anyone's mentioned this one yet but...
one of my favorite non-lyric quotes is after amy is talking about making
applause tapes and she says "that's kinda stupid isn't it?" then emily says
"there's always therapy" ;)
~ren
p.s.  does anyone know what amy says when they're talking about gabe and
emily says something like "alright lets..." like let's start the song and amy
says something and everyone laughs... i can't make it out.

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subject:      cool things

hey everyone i just felt like writing because of strange (yet cool)things
that occurred to me this weekend.  i was going down to san antonio to visit
a friend (i live in norman, go sooners!), and i was staying in austin at ut
(go sooners) with another friend of mine.  as i was driving, listening to
indigo girls as usual, i entered austin, right in the middle of chickenman,
just as i passed the austin city limit sign, amy says "i was on the road to
austin" and it was just so cool that it was more than a coincidence it was
just...right.  another cool thing happened but i can't remember it right
now.  here's my idea to start a new thread (it may have been done before, i
don't know, i'm kinda new): i personally have never been to an ig concert
and i'm pretty sure many of you have been to multiple shows and some of you
have been at the same shows as each other.  anyway i was wondering which
show you would consider the best and why (no one word answer folks, sorry).
that's all i have to say about that.
keep on groovin',
ryan
[][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]
"it's awful quiet here
since  love fell asleep."
             e.  saliers
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subject:      re: you know you are an obsessed fan when...

you know you are an obsessed fan when...

someone asks you what you want for christmas, and you tell them padded envelopes and us postage....


...wheels in motion...
greta

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you only have indigo girls live show tapes and mixed ig tapes in your car.
my friends refer to my wagon as "indigomobile", "bluemobile", and the
"indigogo".  they think they are hilarious.  also, i make them sing along
on the live version of "get together" when the crowd sings on what it
think is the blood and fire tape.  by the way...deb sent me those tapes a
long time ago, and i need your address deb so that i can send you some
cool stones i found by lake michigan.

love
cardigan


i wish i were a trinity
so if i lost a part of me
i'd still have two of the same to live

-emily saliers

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subject:      nigc:  do i have a life + what's the buzz?

hi all,

long time no write...or read, for that matter.  can you believe i've got
unread digests from the last week in sept.?  truly unlike me.  guess i got a
job and went back to school full time...that'll do it.

however, there is this nagging feeling that i'm missing something.  what's
up?  do i owe anybody any tapes?  i'd like to clear up anything i need to get
out.  also, thanks to people who've traded with me lately.  i do appreciate
it.  i'm just way out of touch with ya.

missing the list,
lorie d

(hoping to god i'm just a temporary absentee?) <heh heh>

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subject:      suscribe to mailing list

suscribe indigo girls
lauren parmelee and erin keating

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you piss off the other 8 people in your apartment building by attempting
to convert your upstairs neighbor.  she doesn't like them.  go figure. the
beasty boys???

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subject:      watershed

hey y'all-
  this is probably the fifth time i've tried to send this message, so here it
goes:
i was watching watershed about a week ago and i noticed that the title of the
cover of the videocassette is _watershed: ten years of underground video_,
but in the introduction to the vid and at the end the title is stated as
_watershed: ten years of underground *indigo*_.  was this a mistake or was it
planned?  imoho, i like the latter much better.
*lauren*
*************************************************
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mansfield
"the state of the world today demands that women become less modest and
dream/plan/act/risk on a larger scale."  charlotte bunch

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subject:      you know you're an obsessed fan when....

you know you're an obsessed fan when...

you fall asleep in history 1301, but you jump up and say, "where?" when
the teacher says the colonists sent rice, cotton, and indigo to england.

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x-to:         "hsu amber r. batson" <arbatson@hsutx.edu>
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....you stalk amy ray for six years writing down her every move. then you
simply ignore her requests to stop following her even when you are given
a restraining order.
still stalkin',
ben
" i know so many white people i mean where do i start. ya know the
problem with white people is you just can't tell them apart. i'm so bad
with names and dates and times. but i'm big on faces that is except for
mine."
-ani difranco
*hi jan..i'm about to call you:)

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subject:      you know you're an obsessed ig fan when...

...every time you see a georgia licence plate, you scream "take me with
you!" (drawing curious looks from the other occupants of your car :)

...every research paper topic you choose for school has direct igc. (report
on galileo, informative speech on folk rock, etc :)

...you have phoned every music/music-related clothing store in the city on
your quest for ig t-shirts

...you have been known to, on occasion, spend a dull afternoon calling up
and pissing off many local djs until they finally agree to play you an ig
song on the air!

~obesssed, wheee-haa!
     abigail

"i will not be....

a pawn" ~emily saliers

afraid of women" ~dar williams

complacent!!!" ~amy ray

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subject:      ig fan survey results

hi everyone,

here are some excerpts from the first lot of results for the indigo girls
fan survey.  i'm still woefully behind in tallying up the results, but i'm
getting there.

i've decided that once the count gets up to 200/250 results or so, i'm
going to take the survey down until after the new album comes out next
year.  so version iii won't be around to fill out much longer - if you want
to be in on it this time around, go and fill out the survey already. *grin*
that url again: http://www.fl.net.au/~sherlyn/igsurvey, or mail me for
the email version.

so, here you go.  my comments are in square brackets, and the numbers
in brackets indicate number of votes.  check out the above url for a
more detailed results listing.

all the best,
sherlyn


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indigo girls fan survey results
currently tallied: 50
=====
igc
=====
- fans for:
        - less than 1 year - 3
        - 1 - 3 years - 16
        - 3 - 5 years - 9
        - 5 - 7 years - 13
        - more than 7 years - 8
[most people became fans around the time of "swamp ophelia", or
after "indigo girls".]

- "fanhood" rated from a to e:
        - a - 5
        - b - 17
        - c - 14
        - d - 10
        - e - 4
[leaning a little towards the amy side, as you see.]

- favourite albums:
        1. 1200 curfews (32)
        2. rites of passage (27)
        3. swamp ophelia (20)
        4. nomads*indians*saints (17)
        5. strange fire (15)
        6. indigo girls (13)

- "top 10" songs:
        1. galileo (17)
        2. closer to fine (14)
        3. chickenman, ghost (13)
        5. least complicated (12)
        6. reunion, world falls (10)
        8. dead man's hill, fugitive, mystery, power of two (9)
6 emily and 5 amy songs - a nice balance.]

- "top 5" amy songs:
        1. chickenman (15)
        2. fugitive (12)
        3. dead man's hill, reunion, shame on you, world falls (10)

- "top 5" emily songs:
        1. ghost (19)
        2. galileo (14)
        3. closer to fine (13)
        4. least complicated, mystery, watershed (10)

- "top 5" cover songs:
        1. tangled up in blue (20)
        2. down by the river (11)
        3. midnight train to georgia (10)
        4, 5. romeo and juliet, thin line (9)

- least favourite ("bottom 5"?) songs:
        1. airplane (13)
        2. chickenman (6)
        3. southland in the springtime (5)
        4. history of us (5)
        5. keeper of my heart (4)

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nigc
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sex:
        - male - 11
        - female - 38

sexual orientation:
        - gay men - 3
        - gay women - 13
        - bisexual men - 0
        - bisexual women - 5
        - straight men - 8
        - straight women - 18

age:
        - under 18 - 7
        - 18 - 21 - 16
        - 22 - 25 - 10
        - 26 - 30 - 6
        - 31 - 40 - 7
        - 41 - 50 - 2
        - over 50 - 1

- "top 10" favourite artists (not including ig):
        1. melissa etheridge (20)
        2. dar williams (13)
        3. ani difranco (12)
        4. mary chapin carpenter (9)
        5. rem (8)
        6. kristen hall, live, sarah mclachlan (6)
        9. caroline aiken, tracy chapman, shawn colvin, michelle malone (5)

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-   sherlyn koo - sherlyn@fl.net.au   -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
"i used to just watch "wuthering heights" - 'oh, heathcliff!!' - you
know.  now i'm like, 'oh god, you're so sick!  get some therapy,
you know... get a job!  get a hobby - something, cathy - you
know, something!'"             - megon mcdonough
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date:         sun, 13 oct 1996 18:47:24 -0700
reply-to:     "lisa lewis (excell data corporation)" <v-lisal@microsoft.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "lisa lewis (excell data corporation)" <v-lisal@microsoft.com>
subject:      you know your an obsessed fan when...

you have over 160 unread digest's dating back to the beginning of
september....(i just deleted unread ones from july & august)...you are
half way around the world on business (singapore..a place where i am
illegal according to local law...homosexuality is still a crime here!)
and you go to the local office (instead of site seeing) to read even
just one digest! i went to several music stores here and looked for ig
even thought i know i have all cd's available...unless perry has
something new that i am unaware of.  i also have visted many of the
cities mentioned in songs...as well as a couple of the streets..i.e.
atlanta highway...i was wondering if i go running down queen street does
it matter which city your in???
peace y'all and happy indigoing!

lisa

p.s...is the bumbershoot tape tree still going???

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date:         mon, 14 oct 1996 11:49:42 +1000
reply-to:     sherlyn koo <sherlyn@fl.net.au>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         sherlyn koo <sherlyn@fl.net.au>
subject:      more questions for the faq

hey everyone,

just need a little more info to go in the faq - if you know the answer
to any of the following questions, please mail me privately at
sherlyn@fl.net.au.  thanks.

1) what is the relationship between emily and the flying biscuit?
("emily and the flying biscuit" - sounds like a roald dahl book :)

2) could someone tell me who released the video version of "jesus
christ superstar: a resurrection" and what year it was released?

3) what tune is the music box at the end of "this train (revised)"
playing again?  something by chopin, right?

okay, i think that's all for now.

oh, btw - you know you're an obsessed indigo girls fan when...
you're me!

*grin*
sherlyn
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-   sherlyn koo - sherlyn@fl.net.au   -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
"i used to just watch "wuthering heights" - 'oh, heathcliff!!' - you
know.  now i'm like, 'oh god, you're so sick!  get some therapy,
you know... get a job!  get a hobby - something, cathy - you
know, something!'"             - megon mcdonough
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date:         sun, 13 oct 1996 22:54:47 -0400
reply-to:     vanhemel@mnsinc.com
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from:         "david a. van hemel" <vanhemel@mnsinc.com>
organization: lacking
subject:      you know you are an obsessed fan when....

...you get the reverse 1 live cd, the seller tells you that it came
coverless and there is no such thing as a cover for it, so you spend
hours of time you don't have and half of the blue ink cartridge to make
fancy deep indigo front and back covers for it, designed along the lines
of the backward print on the disc itself.

...you noticed, a few months ago: hey, this is the second tuesday in may
in a year ending in an even number, and there's no ig album being
released today  :(  :(  :(

dave

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date:         sun, 13 oct 1996 22:17:11 -0400
reply-to:     indigofrk@aol.com
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from:         sasha friedman <indigofrk@aol.com>
subject:      re: you know you're an obsessed ig fan when...

you know you are an obsessed fan when..

- you can always relate something in school or in conversation back to ig

-when you talk to your friends, when they are expecting gossip, it's about ig

-when your brother has a n extreme hatred for them...but yet he knows all the
words..

i've got more but i'll save em for later

peace
sasha

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