lifeblood: listlogs: 1996-10c


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date:         mon, 14 oct 1996 00:15:46 -0400
reply-to:     michael reynolds <asl@umcs.maine.edu>
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from:         michael reynolds <asl@umcs.maine.edu>
subject:      dar tape seed...(nigc)

anyone want to setup a tree for an *incredible* tape of dar williams from
10-5-96 lewiston junior high, lewiston, me

i know she has a fund setup for tapes, i figure people will use an honor
system. i can seed 3 tapes, prefer to trade for stuff i want:
- good copy of hampton (which i may seed also)
- other dar tapes
- anythin g else i may be interested in -- honor minneapolis, woody guthrie
tribute, bob wier rob wasserman 7/28/91 old orchard me, (a long shot but..)

if i sent you private email to setup tape trades (sunny, chris, joan -- do
you still have that msnbc video? jude -- we need to chat - you have many
things i need to add to my plethora of tapes.) disregard this, i will sety
those up independently -- i want to try and seed this tape (the encores did
get cut off - basically the ocean ;()
setlist:
what do you hear in these sounds * *=new
babysitter's here
if i wrote you *
as cool as i am
iowa
end of the summer * (absolutely incredible tune!!!)
pointless yet poignant crisis of a coed
arrival*
a flinty kinda woman * (i think)
mortal city
christians and the pagans
family
februrary
when i was a boy
encore : youre aging well

send me email if you are willing to copy like 5 tapes, i will post contacts
or something, i guess i will make 5 tapes then give the names so at most one
person only makes no more than 5 tapes.


mike r.
*who has a free two days since he did not go away for break* (course i
better be quiet, someone will probably call me to do something knowing my
luck)

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date:         sun, 13 oct 1996 22:58:25 -0500
reply-to:     abigail <abaroo@execpc.com>
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from:         abigail <abaroo@execpc.com>
subject:      (nigc) fried green tomatoes

hi everyone!
i just saw my favorite movie again last night and am wondering if there's
anyone out there who loves that film as much as i do! it just scoops me up
and makes me want to run for the south in a way i can't describe. so, if
anyone wants to obsess over this incredible movie, let me know!

tawanda! ~abigail

"i will not be....

a pawn" ~emily saliers

afraid of women" ~dar williams

complacent!!!" ~amy ray

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date:         sun, 13 oct 1996 23:58:09 -0400
reply-to:     michael reynolds <asl@umcs.maine.edu>
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from:         michael reynolds <asl@umcs.maine.edu>
subject:      re: dates of ig boots
x-to:         doobie@student.umass.edu
in-reply-to:  <199610110310.xaa25830@asimov.oit.umass.edu> from "deb odonoghue"
              at oct 10, 96 11:10:47 pm

>
> hey all in ig land!
>
> i guess my original post never made it here, so here i go again.
> i am looking for the dates and venues of my older ig boots.
> if anyone can help me out it would be much appreciated.  here is
> what i am looking for dates and venues for:
>
> blue food
1985, depending on which version you have, i *know* of at least 4 versions
of blue food, including the source tape for one of the shows
> ig ep
i believe 1986

> color me grey
summer after amy's graduation, 1982- there are 7 original copies of this,
with a different track listing according to tricia (cant think of last name
-- lived in washington and went to atlanta for a while...)
> purple parrot
1986
> shades of indigo
october 20th or 21,1990 -- denver co

> tuesday's children
1982 -- different mixes of this tape exist from the same era, without back
togeter again and tuesday's children possibly from the "extension" sessions
mentioned in 1200 curfews.  one other version may be labeled "folk song
demos 84-85 -- it is from the same era, but the mixing is different on
tracks and some tracks that are on folk song demos arent on tc. but somehow,
it is the same era.

fyi - a study hall tape exists from when emily visited amy on break from tulane in 1981
-- a few folks have it -- it is better than what you would think.

>
> if anyone can help me out i will be tryly indebted to you. thanks a lot!
>
> take care and peace y'all!
>
> -deb
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mike r.
*who thinks the above info is pretty correct, but of course has been wrong
before*

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date:         mon, 14 oct 1996 02:20:22 -0500
reply-to:     brian ramos <rramos@cias.net>
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from:         brian ramos <rramos@cias.net>
subject:      regards from sal-ray

just a note to let everybody know that i'm alive and doing well...
i'm mailing from a friend's house.
i've moved yet again, and my address is:
10275 phelan blvd.
beaumont, texas 77713

love and peace to everyone!
sal-ray a.k.a. tracy fears
if you get a notion to call....write first....
miss everybody!!!!!

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date:         mon, 14 oct 1996 16:34:40 +0800
reply-to:     glee <b3102097@ccsun25.cc.ntu.edu.tw>
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from:         glee <b3102097@ccsun25.cc.ntu.edu.tw>
subject:      hey there all you indigo folks!

  i'm back from spain. hard to believe it's been more than three
months...how's everyone?? am missing those old friends here and looking
forwards to meeting the new ones. (hi lisa! was in singapore for 3 days
before i came back to taipei!)

  you know you're an obsessed ig fan when...

  ...you write a play for your conversation class about two sisters to whom
you named  "amy" and "emily" respectively.
  ...in spain you ask anyone who tries to pick you up (or whom you wanna
pick up) in a gay bar if they knew about indigo girls.
  ...you force your friends to sing along with you and amy and emily when
they can't even speak english.

  (feels so good to be back!)

minghan (gavin)

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date:         mon, 14 oct 1996 09:51:52 -0400
reply-to:     sam22479@aol.com
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from:         "samantha a. weisman" <sam22479@aol.com>
subject:      my songbook is defective!!!!

hey everyone

     i've kept on meaning to do something about one of the most aggravating
experiences of my summer.  while in new york, i bought the songbook for ig's
rites of passage and i was so excited!  upon returning home, i discover that
both ghost and let it be me have been ripped from my songbook-- obviously my
two favorite songs were also someone elses! grrrr.  and it's too late to
exchange or get a refund! (being in cincinnati and all....)
     would anyone out there possibly have the sheet music for those songs and
be willing to photocopy them for me?  i would be glad to send you a sase and
a big hug.... :)

    crying in cincinnati,
     samantha

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date:         mon, 14 oct 1996 14:58:28 +0100
reply-to:     devanjfl <devanjfl@helios.aston.ac.uk>
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from:         devanjfl <devanjfl@helios.aston.ac.uk>
subject:      an off-shoot from all this obsession

hey there,

with my usual incompetence, i deleted the message i wanted to reply to
... can't even remember who it was.

but ... the queen st that amy was singing about running down was the
one in toronto. i would have thought you obsessives would have known that ;)

later peeps,
johnd

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date:         mon, 14 oct 1996 11:34:27 edt
reply-to:     mary kushman <ugkushma@ecuvm.cis.ecu.edu>
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from:         mary kushman <ugkushma@ecuvm.cis.ecu.edu>
subject:      my weekend (some igc

hi all--

i am so happy about how i spent my weekend that i just had to share it with
all y'all.  saturday, i spent the better part of the day volunteering at
cancer survivorship day out at the ecu school of medicine.  let me tell you,
it was an indigo day if there ever was one--clear blue skies and warm.

it was really interesting to have the opportunity to interact with individuals
who had survived the horrors of this disease.  many of them had been out of
chemotherapy only a few months, and i was also suprised at the number of
children who came to celebrate their survivorship as well.  it was so nice
to see these people so happy.

someday, i hope to be a radiation oncologist (applying for med school in 8
months!!!) and help others win the fight against cancer.  at an event such as
this, where people are so open to share their experiences, you really learn
how you cannot take life for granted.  you also realize that the worst disease
affecting society today is not knowing how to be happy and live life to its
fullest and find humor in all that you do, and these survivors certainly
contradict this.  we all could learn a lesson from them...this world would
certainly be a happier, more optimistic place.  celebrate survivorship!

mary  :)

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"always tell the truth and be true."  emily saliers
"color me grey, i'm a little bit of everything today..."  amy ray
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date:         mon, 14 oct 1996 09:53:03 -0600
reply-to:     corinne simpson <corinne@utah-inter.net>
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from:         corinne simpson <corinne@utah-inter.net>
subject:      you know you are obsessed when...

.... you tattoo an ig song title on your back!

(thanks to rebekah for reminding me of that)  (it's funny that i forget... i
have the words "three hits" tattooed on my back)

corinne

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
mother do you claim me, my
beloved do you blame me-amy
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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date:         mon, 14 oct 1996 09:15:40 -0700
reply-to:     karey weisman eals <karey@u.washington.edu>
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from:         karey weisman eals <karey@u.washington.edu>
subject:      nigc  coming out day

hey, y'all,
thank you so much to everyone who congratulated me, very affirming and
grin-inducing. the best part is that friday night at services i came
out to my jewish community too.  guess i was just on a roll.  i'll
try to respond to the messages individually, but now have to run (to
spanish :) ).
everybody have a good week!
love,
karey

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date:         mon, 14 oct 1996 13:43:27 -0400
reply-to:     chocobo11@aol.com
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subject:      re: you know you're an obsessed ig fan when...

you know you're an obsessed fan when you go to a demo tour show and you
realize that everyone is staring at you because you can already sing along
with the unreleased material thanks to your bootleg collection.

peace everyone
elizabeth
still happily listenin' to those bootlegs....

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date:         mon, 14 oct 1996 13:42:58 est
reply-to:     "cynthia a. crecca" <crecca@admin.njit.edu>
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from:         "cynthia a. crecca" <crecca@admin.njit.edu>
subject:      you know you are an obsessed fan when...

corinne simpson out in utah wrote:

you know you are an obsessed fan when...
you tatoo an ig song title across your back.

you know you are even more of an obsessed fan when...
the song title you tatoo is not closer to fine.


cynthia
crecca@admin.njit.edu   cac573@worldnet.att.net

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date:         mon, 14 oct 1996 13:53:37 -0400
reply-to:     debatediva@aol.com
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subject:      re: you know you're an obsessed ig fan when...

you know your an obsessed ig fan when. . . .

       ~you can wear a different indigo girl t-shirt for everyday of the
week.~

       ~your friends have given you gift certificates with the words "not to
be spent on indigo girls paraphernalia" written on it.

       ~you sit through all of vh1's video a-z just to catch any indigo girl
videos, to be                                        crushed by the skip
between idol and jackson.

       ~you own everyone songbook, yet oddly can't play the piano or guitar

       ~all your possiblities for senior quote choices are indigo girl lyrics

       ~you sing "hammer and a nail" all through shop class

       ~after hearing "virginia woolf" you ran to the book store and bought
her diary

   (yeah i'm sure there's more to come. . . . .)

smiles : )
annemarie

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date:         mon, 14 oct 1996 11:23:46 -0700
reply-to:     karey weisman eals <karey@u.washington.edu>
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from:         karey weisman eals <karey@u.washington.edu>
subject:      re: my new purple theory
x-to:         christine talbot <talbotc@umich.edu>
in-reply-to:  <pine.sol.3.95.961011222402.9227c-100000@qbert.rs.itd.umich.edu>

on fri, 11 oct 1996, chris ii wrote:

> is, is amy blue or gray, and if blue, who is gray?  and who's indigo?  we
well, if emily is purple, then amy must be blue, and indigo is the combo!

cool thread!
karey

set the crickets for two...
                                -danielle howle

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date:         mon, 14 oct 1996 14:50:06 -0400
reply-to:     mwiggins@wellesley.edu
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from:         mary ellen wiggins <mwiggins@wellesley.edu>
organization: the quad
subject:      re: my new purple theory
x-to:         karey weisman eals <karey@u.washington.edu>

the story i always heard was that amy just ran across indigo in the
dictionary or something and thought it sounded cool, and that's how it
became part of the name.  i like the combo idea, but indigo is a shade
of blue, so i don't think amy could be blue.  she doesn't encompass both
girls.
mary ellen

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date:         mon, 14 oct 1996 15:04:45 edt
reply-to:     tigertail <dheidorn@eden.rutgers.edu>
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from:         tigertail <dheidorn@eden.rutgers.edu>
subject:      tattoo

hi everyone, i've got a quick question.  does anyone have a close-up of the
tattoo on amy's left arm?  or know of a possible web page that has it?  just
really curious as to what it is, means, etc...  thanks!

donna
college of engineering
rutgers university, nj

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date:         mon, 14 oct 1996 12:05:51 -0700
reply-to:     gwendigo <gkeyt@paul.spu.edu>
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from:         gwendigo <gkeyt@paul.spu.edu>
subject:      re: oct 13 unplug america
x-to:         sunny <sun@swcp.com>
in-reply-to:  <v01510102ae8593ad4efc@[198.59.115.160]>

so is that why my network was down all day sunday?

i don't think my university is cool enough to take our email access down
in honor of unplug america day, but i may be wrong.  anyone else?

on sat, 12 oct 1996, sunny wrote:

> hey y'all,
>
>    just a reminder that tomorrow (sunday) is unplug america day.
>
>                 we will not be complacent
>                 we will not be consumers
>
>
>                         --sunny
>
>
> see y'all monday.
>
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date:         mon, 14 oct 1996 15:08:16 edt
reply-to:     chickensoprano <creechal@aslan.emu.edu>
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from:         chickensoprano <creechal@aslan.emu.edu>
organization: eastern mennonite university
subject:      obsession

you know you're an obsessed indigo girls fan when...

...you spend and hour a day reading email messages from other fans ;)

...your friends have dubbed you the "lost indigo girl"

...you buy albums of other artists simply because they have an
"indigo connection"

...you know more about them than your neighbor

...you can name the guitar chords in praise/worship songs by which
indigo girls song they are also in ("hey! you just did that funky
ds-d-d9-d thingy from 'closer to fine', didn't you?")

:)

anna

"there is more simplicity in the man who eats caviar on impulse than
in the man who eats grape-nuts on principle."  - g. k. chesterton

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date:         mon, 14 oct 1996 21:25:18 +0100
reply-to:     indigo jo <mts5@aber.ac.uk>
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from:         indigo jo <mts5@aber.ac.uk>
subject:      re: obsession
x-to:         chickensoprano <creechal@aslan.emu.edu>
in-reply-to:  <28724045e85@aslan.emu.edu>

on mon, 14 oct 1996, chickensoprano wrote:

> you know you're an obsessed indigo girls fan when...
>
<snip>
> ...you buy albums of other artists simply because they have an
> "indigo connection"

hey hold on a minute!   i have bought loads of records because of their
connections with other artists, yet i wouldn't call myself obsessive about
any of them.

for instance:  i first heard of mary chapin carpenter when i heard mary black
cover "the moon and st. christopher".   after hearing carpenter i bought
records by shawn colvin because of her "chapin connection", and i bought
"swamp ophelia" largely on the grounds of ig's mary chapin carpenter (and
rem) connections.   i also bought richard thompson albums after hearing of
his connection with colvin and crowded house.   i've bought several fairport
convention albums because of their thompson connection, and two sandy denny
albums because of her fairport connection!

in other words, the fact that artists relate to one another musically is a
pretty good way of finding other artists who you might like.   i wouldn't
call it an obsession by any means.

mat

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date:         mon, 14 oct 1996 16:17:23 -0400
reply-to:     queen minerva <amytryon@ponyexpress.princeton.edu>
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from:         queen minerva <amytryon@ponyexpress.princeton.edu>
subject:      re: you know you're an obsessed ig fan when...
in-reply-to:  <961014134327_126406555@emout14.mail.aol.com>

...rather than pay attention in your very hard economics class that you
are not doing well in, you sit and make a list of all the first lines of
the songs off all the cds, in order.

yes, that would be me.
:) amy

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date:         mon, 14 oct 1996 17:24:23 -0400
reply-to:     margotll@aol.com
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from:         margotll@aol.com
subject:      re: you know you're an obsessed ig fan when...
x-to:         amytryon@ponyexpress.princeton.edu

you know you're an obsessed ig fan when...
        -- your roommates get pissed at you every time they check the mail
and find a large            brown envelope...

--margot

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date:         mon, 14 oct 1996 17:32:55 -0500
reply-to:     tuesday's child <dc3545@cnsvax.albany.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         tuesday's child <dc3545@cnsvax.albany.edu>
subject:      re: not bloody ig related but read anyhow about band width
x-to:         michael reynolds <asl@umcs.maine.edu>
in-reply-to:  <199610030108.vaa09267@gandalf.umcs.maine.edu>

on wed, 2 oct 1996, michael reynolds wrote:

> you deserve to live without your own personal computer and without a modem
> but to only have an school email address. juno ands their software is nice,
> i havent the need for it now but sometime in my life i may. i have somewhere
> around 6 or 7, maybe 8 different accounts, so your ignorant, pathetic and
> insipid rant that bandwidth doesn't matter because "juno is free" is
> pointless.

        mike, i also live without a personal computer and, therefore, i
am at the mercy of my very limited school computer account.  so i do
sympathize with you.  but i don't think that gives you the right to ask
others on this list to limit their contributions for your convenience.
if juno is free, and you are having such a hard time with mailbox space,
maybe you do need it at this time. just a thought.  as for calling other
listees "ingorant, pathetic and insipid", namecalling is thoughtless and
meanspirited.

> bandwidth such as religeous views, bickering about whether
> homosexuality is a sin, blah, blah blah is stupid.

        so is belittling other people's thoughts and opinions.

> as a person who has
> vested personal as well as professional ties to the net, where one email can
> make the difference between me landing a design job on the www, writing an
> article for the paper, hearing from a person i am trying to coordinate
> meetings, editorial boards for my practicum project or, just as important to
> some, making contacts for some bootleg trades, piling through 100+ posts in
> a day is a total waste of my time!  i also administer a listserv, and have
> plenty to deal with elsewhere in my life. i do not see where bandwidth comes
> into play at all.  please i am not at all against most nigc, i mean the
> strength in this list lies in being able to ask for things such as
> videotapes of stations you cant receive, finding places to stay on trips,
> finding out a show from another artist you enjoy is close to home, ect.

        mike, you are obviously very busy, and i respect that.  however,
if your participation in this list is becoming a burden or inconvenience
for you then perhaps you should consider unsubscribing and getting the
information that you consider pertinant from one person on the list who
is willing to forward mail to you.  as for you suggestion that the
strength of this list lies only in the exchange of information about
shows, trips and boots, i disagree.  i feel that the strength of this
list lies in it's feeling of community. we are very much like a family
here. as such, we discuss, argue, bicker, laugh, cry, and generally share
our lives with each other.  this list is about more than just sharing a
common love for a musical group.  it's about sharing common beliefs and
values, and knowing that their are other people outh there who see the
world the same way you do.

> flame wars about homosexuality arent going to change people's minds.

        this is true.  they may however broaden people's minds, as i hope
this post has.  speaking of flames, i do believe that this was my first
one.  how'd i do?


                                                        tuesday's child


   a mind is like a parachute. it is only fully functional when open.

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date:         mon, 14 oct 1996 17:43:54 -0400
reply-to:     indigofrk@aol.com
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from:         sasha friedman <indigofrk@aol.com>
subject:      re: you know you're an obsessed ig fan when...

>
>you know your an obsessed ig fan when. . . .
>
>       ~you can wear a different indigo girl t-shirt for everyday of the
>week.~
>
>       ~you sit through all of vh1's video a-z just to catch any indigo girl
>videos, to be                                        crushed by the skip
>between idol and jackson.
>
>       ~all your possiblities for senior quote choices are indigo girl
lyrics

i definitely relate, seeing as i used to wear my indigo girls shirts all
week, but it's almost time for sweaters : ) i was also a victim of the second
one.  all last thanksgiving i waited...and waited....and waited and was
crushed when there was no ig.

also

-when you buy all the guitar books twice, one to make all your notes in and
cut the pictures out, and other ones to keep kinda neat just because.....

sasha

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date:         mon, 14 oct 1996 17:56:53 -0400
reply-to:     mark anthony donajkowski <madonajk@alpha.delta.edu>
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from:         mark anthony donajkowski <madonajk@alpha.delta.edu>
subject:      re: not bloody ig related but read anyhow about band width
x-to:         tuesday's child <dc3545@cnsvax.albany.edu>
in-reply-to:  <pine.pmdf.3.91.961014170312.541165104b-100000@cnsvax.albany.edu>

man this is a old post<g> but i just noticed something by the way mike
notice it says edu on my account thats a school acccount with limited
space ie 1 meg in box space but you dont hear me yelling do u

on mon, 14 oct 1996, tuesday's child wrote:

> on wed, 2 oct 1996, michael reynolds wrote:
>
> > you deserve to live without your own personal computer and without a modem
> > but to only have an school email address. juno ands their software is nice,
> > i havent the need for it now but sometime in my life i may. i have somewhere
> > around 6 or 7, maybe 8 different accounts, so your ignorant, pathetic and
> > insipid rant that bandwidth doesn't matter because "juno is free" is
> > pointless.
>
>         mike, i also live without a personal computer and, therefore, i
> am at the mercy of my very limited school computer account.  so i do
> sympathize with you.  but i don't think that gives you the right to ask
> others on this list to limit their contributions for your convenience.
> if juno is free, and you are having such a hard time with mailbox space,
> maybe you do need it at this time. just a thought.  as for calling other
> listees "ingorant, pathetic and insipid", namecalling is thoughtless and
> meanspirited.
>
> > bandwidth such as religeous views, bickering about whether
> > homosexuality is a sin, blah, blah blah is stupid.
>
>         so is belittling other people's thoughts and opinions.
>
> > as a person who has
> > vested personal as well as professional ties to the net, where one email can
> > make the difference between me landing a design job on the www, writing an
> > article for the paper, hearing from a person i am trying to coordinate
> > meetings, editorial boards for my practicum project or, just as important to
> > some, making contacts for some bootleg trades, piling through 100+ posts in
> > a day is a total waste of my time!  i also administer a listserv, and have
> > plenty to deal with elsewhere in my life. i do not see where bandwidth comes
> > into play at all.  please i am not at all against most nigc, i mean the
> > strength in this list lies in being able to ask for things such as
> > videotapes of stations you cant receive, finding places to stay on trips,
> > finding out a show from another artist you enjoy is close to home, ect.
>
>         mike, you are obviously very busy, and i respect that.  however,
> if your participation in this list is becoming a burden or inconvenience
> for you then perhaps you should consider unsubscribing and getting the
> information that you consider pertinant from one person on the list who
> is willing to forward mail to you.  as for you suggestion that the
> strength of this list lies only in the exchange of information about
> shows, trips and boots, i disagree.  i feel that the strength of this
> list lies in it's feeling of community. we are very much like a family
> here. as such, we discuss, argue, bicker, laugh, cry, and generally share
> our lives with each other.  this list is about more than just sharing a
> common love for a musical group.  it's about sharing common beliefs and
> values, and knowing that their are other people outh there who see the
> world the same way you do.
>
> > flame wars about homosexuality arent going to change people's minds.
>
>         this is true.  they may however broaden people's minds, as i hope
> this post has.  speaking of flames, i do believe that this was my first
> one.  how'd i do?
>
>
>                                                         tuesday's child
>
>
>    a mind is like a parachute. it is only fully functional when open.
>
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reply-to:     "teresa c. esguerra" <sac83826@saclink.csus.edu>
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from:         "teresa c. esguerra" <sac83826@saclink.csus.edu>
subject:      obsessed...

        ...who has bought a "ping" golf hat because emily was wearing one
in the studio while recording nis (seen via "watershed")?

        not me...no way...no...no obsession here...   really.

ccsbzzz,
teri

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subject:      you know your obsessed when...
in-reply-to:  <pine.3.89.9610141408.a28444-0100000@saclink3.csus.edu>

... you want to broaden your music tastes, but everytime you do spend
money on another cd, if it's not directly related to the indigo girls,
you just never listen to it...

renee

* ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ *

"the same sun that warms your heart    "the beautiful ladies walk right by
will suck the good earth dry..."       ya know i never know what to say!"
       "get out the map"                       "shame on you"
        by emily saliers                        by amy ray

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date:         mon, 14 oct 1996 18:39:57 -0400
reply-to:     joe hamilton <fhamilto@bayflash.stpt.usf.edu>
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from:         joe hamilton <fhamilto@bayflash.stpt.usf.edu>
subject:      web site and a bunch of excuses

howdy folks....i have been working on an ig site for a while. it is
slowwwww going. i am tired of waiting so i'm going to just give you the
address even though it's not finished. it's enough done to be worth
looking at..and hopefully enough not done to make you wanna come back when
it is done :) so anyway..the address is -
                        http://www.moonbase.com/fortunateones

the photo gallery tour is laborious because the pictures are too big and i
i have them set up so that you have to go through them to see them all. i
will make thumbnails and other user friendly changes when i have the time.
other than that.. the archives are just listed. i will eventually have
links so that a picture of most collectibles accompanies it's listing.
there is also a friends of indigo exhibit that i just haven't been able to
get around to. anyway.. check it out..and send me lots of mail as to what
you think of it and what needs to be changed. there is also a package of
things for sale. i will make a more complete ig collectibles for sale
section when i have time or manage to find enough stuff to make it worth
it. it's just too hard to come by stuff now a days damnit. so have fun and
hope you like.
we are fortunate ones,
joe

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date:         mon, 14 oct 1996 15:29:06 -0600
reply-to:     greg matthew flamer <gflame@nwu.edu>
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from:         greg matthew flamer <gflame@nwu.edu>
subject:      more concert ettiquette q's

hi y'all--i attended a melissa etheridge concert this past weekend and came
out (of the concert that is :)   ) having a few questions about what is
right and wrong in terms of concert behavior.  btw--if you haven't seen me
live just do it-- even if you're not a fan.  it was my first me show and
she played for 3 hours and with more energy than kiss and ac/dc combined.
what an amazing experience!
        anyway--at the show's start everyone stood up and danced and was
having fun.  as the show continued, some sat down while others stood the
whole time.  i remained standing until like everyone around me except for
my friend and i sat down.  i then got that feeling of pressure.  it was
actually the feeling of the people behind us--who's glares of hate were
boaring into my back.  i eventually sat down and they obnoxiously
applauded.
        now in light of recent discussion here, i am not sure who was in
the wrong.  i was in my seat, that i paid for and had not shimmied to get.
is it considered rude to stand at a concert for the whole show?  on the one
hand, yes some people don't want to stand the whole time and want to enjoy
the show seated.  but on the other hand, it's not like we were seeing frank
sinatra (sinatra fans can flame if they wish).  melissa is a rockin show
and it's hard to stay seated.  so i am left feeling somewhat guilty yet
somewhat disappointed because i felt pressured to sit when i wanted to
stand.  i would be curious to hear other opinions on this.  shimmying-bad.
swicking the que (giggle)--bad.  dancing in aisle--bad.  taking empty seats
that aren't yours--undecided.  standing up for the whole concert--???

oh and i know i am an obsessed ig fan (or as i like to term it--a die-hard
fan--obsession implies pathology--am i a shrink or what  :)   )  because:

-i purchased nanci griffith's flyer cd not even knowing who she was but
knowing that ig sang on a song or two.

-i drove 962 miles each way and crossed through like 11 different states to
see ig play at nff

-when eating my ritual morning bowl of alpha bits i always save the a's,
e's , i's and g's for last because i feel somewhat guilty "eating" my
favorite band (same goes for my alphabet soup).

have a beautiful week folks

greg


!@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*!*
# greg m. flamer               northwestern university   @
* 1411 w. sherwin ave # 1n     mfm520@lulu.acns.nwu.edu  $
& chicago, il  60626           gflame@nwu.edu            *
^                                                        &
#   "when you're learning to face the path at your pace  )
&    every choice is worth your while"--indigo girls     *
*                                                        !
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reply-to:     sundara <smurphy@ups.edu>
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subject:      you know you are an obssessed fan when...

...of all the thousands of people who went to bumbershoot to see them, you
were there first!!!!

peace, love, and purple,
the one and only...sundara

"we all die and we all spend money"

                        amy ray

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subject:      rare collectables for sale!!  not bootlegs

here is what is available at this present time:

the ep black vinyl--indigo records  $275.00
strange fire clear vinyl--indigo records  $300.00
crazy game single--$75.00
don't eat out of dented cans  vinyl  $50.00
swamp ophelia green vinyl--$50.00
shades of indigo vinyl--$50.00
days of wine & roses cd--$60.00
rites of passage promo vinyl--$50.00
closer to fine 12 inch vinyl--$35.00
promo vinyl which includes live tracks from shades of indigo--$35.00
power of two single cd--out of print--$10.00 each  (9 left)
tri fold rites cd--sealed $50.00
tame yourself-out of print--1 cd @ $15.00 & 4 cassettes @ $8.50
japanese import of "indigo girls"--$50.00
newport folk festival cd--$25.00
mountain stage cd--$25.00

anyone who is interested email us for availability.

check out our web site at http://members.aol.com/igboo8/index.html
for more items.  we also have a large variety of rare posters/album flats...

peace,
karen

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reply-to:     mary kushman <ugkushma@ecuvm.cis.ecu.edu>
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from:         mary kushman <ugkushma@ecuvm.cis.ecu.edu>
subject:      you know you're an obsessed fan when...

...when your guitar teacher asks you to bring in tapes and you only bring
ig.

...when there's a big ascii text-art guitar in your sig file.  :)

...when you bring all their cds to your physics laboratory for an all nighter
and play them at 4 in the morning.

...when you ask for an indigo blue mustang for christmas (don't i wish)

...when you play them in your apartment at four in the morning and piss off
all your neighbors.

...when the christmas gifts you give are ig complilations or copies of your
favorite boots.

...when you overdraw your bank account to buy that in with the out crowd cd
you found at cd alley (had to have it 'cause i knew soon it would be gone!)

...when you play ig songs an your guitar all night with people you don't even
know during a hurricane by an open window.  (i am extremely guilty of this)

...when most of your netscape bookmarks are ig sites.

...when you make your high-school physics class and college astrophysics class
listen to galileo.

...when you bust out singing "shame on you" during the middle of organic chem
lab.

...when you push electrons to the rhythm of "joking" and "tried to be true".

...when you study for your mcats with them on full blast.  (won't have it any
other way)

...when sometimes all you have to help you see are the mirrors behind the bar.
:)  (lifeblood!  my anthem!)

i'll stop there.  got a lab due tomorrow.

mary  :)

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mary elizabeth kushman                   <|||>
"hey!  come see my ultrasonic frogs!"    <|||>
          (coming soon)                   |||       |~
university scholar 1994                   |||      o
bs physics, class of 1998                 |||
east carolina university                 _|||_          ___
greenville, north carolina              / ||| \         | |
bitnet:  ugkushma@ecuvm1                | ||| |        o o
internet:  ugkushma@ecuvm.cis.ecu.edu   / ||| \
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"always tell the truth and be true."  emily saliers
"color me grey, i'm a little bit of everything today..."  amy ray
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reply-to:     mary kushman <ugkushma@ecuvm.cis.ecu.edu>
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from:         mary kushman <ugkushma@ecuvm.cis.ecu.edu>
subject:      another ig website soon!

i too have been working on an ig website for a while and now that fall
break is coming up (wednesday!) i will actually have time to check in to
uploading my pages to the mainframe here.  i think this obsessed fan thread
would be pretty cool to post, so i'd be willing to do it.

how 'bout it?

mare   :)

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          (coming soon)                   |||       |~
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bs physics, class of 1998                 |||
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date:         mon, 14 oct 1996 16:17:44 -0700
reply-to:     candice gohn <cgohn@olympus.net>
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from:         candice gohn <cgohn@olympus.net>
subject:      re: tattoo

hi everyone, i've got a quick question.  does anyone have a close-up of =
the
tattoo on amy's left arm?  or know of a possible web page that has it?  =
just
really curious as to what it is, means, etc...  thanks!

i read a quote once where she was talking about the different components =
of it symbolizing earth and compassion, but she didn't go into detail. =
also, if you listen to the lyrics of "keeper of my heart", she says "for =
you i would tattoo me with lines crossing in to a hand and a heart that =
would never bleed.  the twilight and the horse drawn on my arm standing =
for an addiction, pray we go unharmed..."
i don't know how much of this relates to her actual life or motivations, =
but looking at the personal context of most ig lyrics, it probably has =
some pretty strong ties...

...wheels in motion...
greta

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from:         jen hall <jchall@earthlink.net>
subject:      obsessed fan thing

ok, i started it, but haven't "given at the office yet", so here's mine:

you know you're an obsessed indigo girl fan when:

- your novell server is named indigo

- your windows 95 workstations is named indigo

- every bitmap and screensaver you have is of a&e

- of all the time you spend on the 'net, most of it is searching for ig
related stuff

- even though you're corporate - you still have a giant ig poster hanging
in your cube

- every password you ever use is ig related (amyray, emilyamy, amyemily,
indigo, emilys, etc.)

- every sound your pc makes is an ig song

----------------------------------
i've been saving all these to try to come up with the imho funniest.  as of
now, i'm amazed by the tattoo story, and found the alphabet story way too
funny.

so, dig up your best folks.  they're being tallied!

peace,
- jen hall

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reply-to:     renee l grebe <grebe+@cmu.edu>
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from:         renee l grebe <grebe+@cmu.edu>
subject:      ahhh!!!

someone said they'd copy the world cafe for me, and i must've deleted
that message! could that person, or, heck any of you that have it,
contact me and let me know where i can send a tape, as soon as i have
some money???

thanks!
renee

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from:         jorge sanchez <jsanch@wpo.it.luc.edu>
subject:      my first ig dream!

hello y'all,
i thought it might be fun to recountmy first ig dream, which happened
less than an hour ago.  first of all, let me say that i had never had
an ig dream before, and since my friends always tell me that i'm a
pretty rabid fan (i always look at the ig selection in a music store;
when people ask me for advice, i quote ig like scripture, etc.) i
wondered why, for all my fervor, i had never had an ig dream?
well, now i have.  i was sitting on a sort of concrete sidewalk right
by lake michigan (i live in chicago) near one of those harbors on
lakeshore drive.  anyway, i sat there and the ig were playing and i
said, "wow!  at long last, i've never gotten to see them in concert.
there is a *god*!"  then i notice that a high school teacher of mine
who i introduced to the ig is sitting in front of me.  she asks me to
clarify which one is amy and which is emily, since she always had a
hard time remembering who was who.  right then ghost was starting and
someone was on stage reading from a piece of paper their personal
interpretation of ghost.  the guy got off the stage just as emily was
starting to sing.  i know this will sound weird but you know that
picture of sherlyn koo from her web page?  well that, and the word
"wildcat" was on his shirt.  anyway, i begin to answer my high school
teacher's question and she sooshes me!  i was insulted.  she asked me
a question and then she shooshes me!  how rude!  so i turn my
attention back to the ig and realize (to my dismay) that what we are
watching is in fact a telecast of a concert which is happening
simultaneously in la and new orleans.  i realize that defies the laws
of physics, but that's what was happening.  i was so disappointed,
but i stayed to listen to them until they finished.  i then walk over
to the concession stand where iggy pop was selling, you guessed it,
pop.  he was selling dr. pepper, and the weird thing was they weren't
selling it.  they were giving it away and the more dr. pepper they
gave away the more pledges they recieved, like in something like aids
walk or the march of dimes.  then i woke up and decided to share my
dream with the world!

-j

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date:         mon, 14 oct 1996 18:51:10 -0500
reply-to:     jen hall <jchall@earthlink.net>
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> btw--if you haven't seen me live just do it-- even if you're not a fan.

that's the truth.  she's great in concert.  i went to see her in
minneapolis back in '94, and she brought the university of minnesota drum
corp onstage and it was 10 minutes (or at least it seemed that long) or
orgasmic (sorry, but that's what it was) drums.  it was nothing that i've
ever seen before..  apparently, the drum corp was practicing when me
arrived at the concert hall, and she asked them to come onstage.  the corp
had about 20 band members in it, so the stage was full of drummers drumming
along with mes drummer.  i can't remember if she was playing guitar along
with it, but it was a true concert experience i'll never forget. if anyone
is mildly interested in me, you must go see her.

> is it considered rude to stand at a concert for the whole show?

i was raised to be totally considerate of those around me, so out of pure
guilt, i never stand when those around me are sitting.  therefore, when
someone is standing in front of me, i get so damn mad - - but that
considerate thing that i was raised with prevents me from asking them to
sit.

peace,
- jen hall

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subject:      re: more concert ettiquette q's

in a message dated 96-10-14 19:03:42 edt, the lovely greg writes:

<< is it considered rude to stand at a concert for the whole show?  on the
one
hand, yes some people don't want to stand the whole time and want to enjoy
the show seated.  but on the other hand, it's not like we were seeing frank
sinatra (sinatra fans can flame if they wish). >>

i think this is one of those questions that will probably never be
answered to anyones satisfaction...as you know, the only thing
i hate more that standers and dancers are sitters ! ;)
but really.. some folks think that it is a way to show their appreciation,
as if a & e will think they don't care if they just sit there
('stiffs" is a term i've heard from performers.).
and perhaps a & e have encouraged this becuse they do say in
some interviews that they like it when the crowd dances
(i seem to remember hearing that they actually chided the
crowd for not dancing/standing at a peir show in seattle  (94)
[ emily: "you can dance you know..." (something like that ) ]

but as we know, a passive crowd does not necessarily
mean they are stiffs. some of us are more comfortable
...well being comfortable...i mean i wasn't kidding when i
said that sometimes i spend the show wishing they would
hurry up and play ctf so i can rest my aching feet !

a friend of mine plays gigs in bars around town and she
said one day that she was happy because the audience
the night before connected with her show..and i asked ..
"how can you tell when you are being appreciated ?"

she said " oh you can just tell...they turn from their conversations
and listen for a song or two or they look up from the pool table and
smile and bob their heads to the song."

go figure :)

the only solution is to divide the floor in half...sitters and watchers on
one side and standers and dancers on the other.of course there would
be a fight over which side (a or e) so strips is probably the way to go.

(but no clowns...or lawn furniture...or big hair..or hats...yeah..that's it.)

arf wah !
stinky binky

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> date:    mon, 14 oct 1996 19:09:10 -0400
> from:    igboo8@aol.com
> subject: rare collectables for sale!!  not bootlegs

[munch]

> anyone who is interested email us for availability.
>
> check out our web site at http://members.aol.com/igboo8/index.html
> for more items.  we also have a large variety of rare posters/album flats...
>
> peace,
> karen

-----------------
does anyone know anything about this person/these people?  i checked out
the web site and the whole thing seems very un-indigo.  it seems like
this is just the type of thing that the ig have said they don't want to
see.  i am disappointed.

margaret

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subject:      concert ettiquette

hey all..
i have had the same problem at melissa shows, but i saw her three times this
summer and she is absolutely amazing.  anyways, one question for you all -

i saw alanis morrissette at meriweather post pavilion and i had lawn seats.
so here we are the lawn packed as she's in her second song, everyone is
standing, but these two girls are on their boyfriends shoulders, and like 25
of us couldn't see.  i was the only one brave enough to ask them to get down.
do you all think i was wrong, in doing that? because i think standing is one
thing, anyone can stand, but then to take that  and go further, because maybe
everyone can't sit on someone's shoulders. or am i completely contradicting
myself after agreeing with the complaint from me shows where the people
behiind us wanted us to sit down ???just wondering

peace
sasha

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>tame yourself-out of print--1 cd @ $15.00 & 4 cassettes @ $8.50
did you know you can get this on cassette from vegan action
<http://www.vegan.org/catalog/tameyourself.html> for $2 plus shipping?
kirsten

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on mon, 14 oct 1996 igboo8@aol.com wrote:

> days of wine & roses cd--$60.00
you can order this on the net new for 25 to 30 bucks
> power of two single cd--out of print--$10.00 each  (9 left)

this is still in stores just gotta look
> tame yourself-out of print--1 cd @ $15.00 & 4 cassettes @ $8.50

bargin bins at  best buy for maybe 3 bucks if that
way to much for this stuff

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subject:      indigo girls in us history

hey y'all
   i just wanted to write in about the major dilemma i'm having....not really
a dilemma but i am in a posting mood.  in my us history class we are learning
about indians and custard's last stand.  we are reading the book _bury my
heart at wounded knee_ which causes many problems.  all i can think about is
indigo girl's songs and today we started talking about genocide.  oh geez!!
how will i ever pay attention!1???
*lauren*
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subject:      "tuesdays flame"

i usually don't write but felt compelled!

you go girl!!!

kelli
kv711law@juno.com

"and the day came when the risk to remain tight in the bud was more
painful than the risk it took to blossom."
                                                                   --from
the dairy of anais nin

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sherman alexie spoke at my graduation...he is really wonderful. if you ever
get a chance to hear him speak don't pass it up.

jeni
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don't be alarmed if i fall head over feet
don't be surprised if i love you for all that you are
i couldn't help it
it's all your fault
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subject:      obsessed ig fan...

in a message dated 96-10-13 00:02:22 edt, you write:

<< you know you're an obsessed indigo girls fan when...

...you spend a whole paycheck on an acoustic guitar and then try and teach
yourself from a german lesson book (since you're in germany @ the time and
have no choice)...spend lots of postage getting ig tapes sent to you...spend
more mulah shipping the your freaked ig-wannabe mind's great idea of a guitar
purchase back home...set aside homework and bills to prepare for your
hopefully massive blank tape to boot postage fiasco...wade through tons of
email every other day to keep up with the ig list in order not to miss a
single, thrilling, ig related (even remotely ig related) topic...roll your
windows down when driving through neighborhoods while blasting the igs so
that everyone around can learn to enjoy the greatest music in the
universe...and look at people with a deranged-confused semi-fainting
expression when, after listening to the ig song you force upon them, they
say, "i don't get it.  what's so great about two chics with guitars?"

i could do better, but dennis miller stole my original rant.

amy

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subject:      you know your an obsessed ig fan when...

you walk around with a guitar and ignore people that talk to you unless they
refer to you as amy ray.  no?

okay.

out of the blue at work one day, in your most serious and sincere voice, you
start telling your co-worker about how you were on the road to austin one day
and met a man...

insist that your aunt, who is with child, name the kid amy or emily.

dress up as an indigo girl for haloween...i am!!!!!

when you say goodbye to your friends, smile, wave, and say, "thanks, y'all!"


amy

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from:         julian knopf <stripe@oasis.icl.co.uk>
subject:      re: obsession
in-reply-to:  <pine.osf.3.93.961014211840.4148b-100000@osfgh.aber.ac.uk>

> <snip>
> > ...you buy albums of other artists simply because they have an
> > "indigo connection"
>
> hey hold on a minute!   i have bought loads of records because of their
> connections with other artists, yet i wouldn't call myself obsessive about
> any of them.
>

i have to jump in on this one aswell. i have been wundrin' recently what
i most have to thank the ig for. i mean that the tunes, the insightful
lyrics or the way the have help advanced my guitar playing, which after
was in a bit of a rut ... i guess really i have to thank the fact that
they have introduced me into a whole new stream of music that i was never
really aware of or until now ready for. i now have the likes of sc, mcc,
adf, lqaw in my collection that used to be mostly hard rock. i have also
recently vetured into the classical because i now listen to music and no
longer just hear it ....

jules

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from:         indigo jo <mts5@aber.ac.uk>
subject:      re: web site and a bunch of excuses
x-to:         joe hamilton <fhamilto@bayflash.stpt.usf.edu>
in-reply-to:  <pine.sun.3.95.961014183153.6043a-100000@bayflash>

could i suggest that you include a note about where each of the photos were
taken beneath the photos?   also ... what was emily playing on that piano???

mat

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on tue, 15 oct 1996, indigo jo wrote:

> could i suggest that you include a note about where each of the photos were
> taken beneath the photos?   also ... what was emily playing on that piano???
>
sorry ... that was meant to be a private email to joe hamilton.   please
ignore it (apart from him, obviously).

mat

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from:         "susan b. marine" <susan.b.marine@dartmouth.edu>
subject:      you know you're an obsessed fan when...

* you actually pay extra to have some version of indigo,ndgogrl, h20shed,
anerig, etc. on your license plate cause that 18 wheeler dude with the
reclining-naked- woman mud flaps has got to be exposed to taste somehow!!!
*you get home from arizona at midnight, after spending 7 hrs on a plane, and
the first thing you read from your 300 mail messages is your ig digest :)
* your pets  are all named amy, emily, indigo, or michael lorant (g)
* you make ardent profesisons of love  like "i will have amy ray's baby!!!!"
even though the statistical likelihood is less than zero.

missed you all when i was away. guess that makes me a cyberdork, if not an
obsessed
fan!!

xo, sus
ps hi corinne, sue, jan, and "purple passion" sundarling:)

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subject:      re: you know you're an obsessed fan when....
x-to:         verdi@imap2.asu.edu
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on sun, 13 oct 1996 verdi@imap2.asu.edu wrote:

> ....you stalk amy ray for six years writing down her every move. then you
> simply ignore her requests to stop following her even when you are given
> a restraining order.
> still stalkin',

does anyone but me think that this response is in incredibly poor taste?

k
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kcizas@cgrg.ohio-state.edu                life happens at the level of events
                                          not of words. trust movement."
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on mon, 14 oct 1996, margaret clayton wrote:

> >
> > check out our web site at http://members.aol.com/igboo8/index.html
> > for more items.  we also have a large variety of rare posters/album flats...

> does anyone know anything about this person/these people?  i checked out
> the web site and the whole thing seems very un-indigo.  it seems like
> this is just the type of thing that the ig have said they don't want to
> see.  i am disappointed.

as am i. this person has taken material that they've most likely traded
for and is selling it - $8.50 per audio tape! nice hefty profit,
especially since most of us on the list would make copies of any of these
for free in order to share the joy of the igs music.. i think a call to
russell carter / sony might be in order... does anyone have an in of any
sort there?

this stuff makes me ill - particularly since the person doing this is
ostensibly a member of the list.

kristina

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subject:      you know you're an obsessed ig fan when...

...you're reading this. =)

peace, love, and orange crush, sarah

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subject:      tablature for thin line (1200c)

could anyone point to me to a web site, song book etc. that has
the tablature for thin line off of 1200c ? (hey, i'm in toronto
so maybe i'll find it if i run down queen street...)

denise


p.s. hope all cdns on the list had a great thanksgiving :)

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subject:      re: you know you're an obsessed fan when....

in a message dated 96-10-15 10:08:48 edt, you write:

> > ....you stalk amy ray for six years writing down her every move. then you
>  > simply ignore her requests to stop following her even when you are given
>  > a restraining order.
>  > still stalkin',
>
>  does anyone but me think that this response is in incredibly poor taste?

maybe it's not my place to answer, and i, being such a pacifier, er, uh,
pacifist, want nothing less that to start a controversy, but i feel compelled
to say...
he/she was only _joking_, brother! :0
peace, love, and lightheartedness, sarah

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subject:      re: more concert ettiquette q's
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greg matthew flamer wrote:
>
> hi y'all--i attended a melissa etheridge concert this past weekend and came
> out (of the concert that is :)   ) having a few questions about what is
> right and wrong in terms of concert behavior.  btw--if you haven't seen me
> live just do it-- even if you're not a fan.  it was my first me show and
> she played for 3 hours and with more energy than kiss and ac/dc combined.
> what an amazing experience!
>         anyway--at the show's start everyone stood up and danced and was
> having fun.  as the show continued, some sat down while others stood the
> whole time.  i remained standing until like everyone around me except for
> my friend and i sat down.  i then got that feeling of pressure.  it was
> actually the feeling of the people behind us--who's glares of hate were
> boaring into my back.  i eventually sat down and they obnoxiously
> applauded.
>         now in light of recent discussion here, i am not sure who was in
> the wrong.  i was in my seat, that i paid for and had not shimmied to get.
> is it considered rude to stand at a concert for the whole show?  on the one
> hand, yes some people don't want to stand the whole time and want to enjoy
> the show seated.  but on the other hand, it's not like we were seeing frank
> sinatra (sinatra fans can flame if they wish).  melissa is a rockin show
> and it's hard to stay seated.  so i am left feeling somewhat guilty yet
> somewhat disappointed because i felt pressured to sit when i wanted to
> stand.  i would be curious to hear other opinions on this.  shimmying-bad.
> swicking the que (giggle)--bad.  dancing in aisle--bad.  taking empty seats
> that aren't yours--undecided.  standing up for the whole concert--???
>
> oh and i know i am an obsessed ig fan (or as i like to term it--a die-hard
> fan--obsession implies pathology--am i a shrink or what  :)   )  because:
>
> -i purchased nanci griffith's flyer cd not even knowing who she was but
> knowing that ig sang on a song or two.
>
> -i drove 962 miles each way and crossed through like 11 different states to
> see ig play at nff
>
> -when eating my ritual morning bowl of alpha bits i always save the a's,
> e's , i's and g's for last because i feel somewhat guilty "eating" my
> favorite band (same goes for my alphabet soup).
>
> have a beautiful week folks
>
> greg
>
> !@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*!*
> # greg m. flamer               northwestern university   @
> * 1411 w. sherwin ave # 1n     mfm520@lulu.acns.nwu.edu  $
> & chicago, il  60626           gflame@nwu.edu            *
> ^                                                        &
> #   "when you're learning to face the path at your pace  )
> &    every choice is worth your while"--indigo girls     *
> *                                                        !
> !@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*%$
>
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>         with the line: signoff indigo-girlshi greg!  saw melissa in concert friday in cleveland and we had to stand
for almost the entire show but so did everyone around us.  you're right,
it would have been hard to sit down with all the energy she puts out.
she rocks!!!
rhonda

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reply-to:     sunny <sun@swcp.com>
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subject:      you know you're obsessed...

you know you're an obsessed ig fan when....

        you spend $30-$40 a week on blank tapes for bootleg trades.


                        --sunny
        (who spent $44 last night at best buy on blanks)    :)

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subject:      re: more concert ettiquette q's
x-to:         mmedido@aol.com
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              "mmedido@aol.com" at oct 14, 96 9:10 pm

<<deleted greg flamer's question on the manners of concert standing/sitting>>

i don't think this one can be answered in general, you really need to
see the spirt and energy of the individual show.  two contrasting
cases: dar williams and indigo girls.

dar williams is wonderful and puts together an incredible show, but
its definately a sit down and listen show.  one thing dar doesn't do
so well is volume and when she reaches for the high end of the scale,
she can get breathy.  even her high energy songs ("alleluia" or "as
cool as i am" really require you to listen. one of the things i love
to do at concerts is to sing *quietly* to myself.  it helps me focus
and get into the music.  i can't do that at a dar show, my voice (and
its not a good one) would carry too far.  folks paid to see thte one
on the stage after all ;).  in fact, when dar tried to get the
audience to sing along at the recent somerville theatre show, she got
very mixed results.  it would have been rude to stand. =)

indigo girls on the other hand are much more high energy.  even their
slow stuff wants to make you get up, put your arm about the human
beside you (whom you may not know from adam), and sway and swing.  its
a much more active thing.  here i think of hampton beach, where it was
rude to the venue to force us to sit! (especially with all the
beautiful open space -- eliminate the tables and imagine how wonderful
that place could have been. *sigh*)

in the end, you just have to feel out the environment....

                                        -- chris

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date:         tue, 15 oct 1996 10:41:38 edt
reply-to:     oh susanna <oh.susanna@dartmouth.edu>
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from:         "susan b. marine" <susan.b.marine@dartmouth.edu>
subject:      standup and be counted dammit

--- greg flamer wrote:
i then got that feeling of pressure.  it was
actually the feeling of the people behind us--who's glares of hate were
boaring into my back.  i eventually sat down and they obnoxiously
applauded.
--- end of quoted material ---
ugh, greg, i hear your pain on this one, my brutha. i went to see dar recently
in concord nh and noone stood up at all the whole fnarking concert!!!  not even
at the very end, the *logical* time to stand up
(hello you morons, the performer is leaving the stage now...elvis has left the
building...think you could muster an ovation for this incredible woman?). it
was literally painful to sit through 2 hours of dar...and i couldn't help but
wonder, if you're gonna shell out cash to see a great folk performer, wouldn't
ya wanna get-funky-get-loose? her music is so great to stomp to! and noone did.
ugh.

someone enlighten me, am i missing something here?

xox,
susanna

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x-to:         fhamilto@bayflash.stpt.usf.edu

joe,

i don't know how you scaned those pictures in, but that is something else.
the quality is unbelievable.  if any of you haven't see this, it is worth the
trip.  the pictures are the best quality i have ever seen scaned in.  the're
also really good pictures.

trant

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date:         tue, 15 oct 1996 11:57:07 edt
reply-to:     "susan b. marine" <susan.b.marine@dartmouth.edu>
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from:         "susan b. marine" <susan.b.marine@dartmouth.edu>
subject:      tasteless violence humor

on sun, 13 oct 1996 verdi@imap2.asu.edu wrote:

> ....you stalk amy ray for six years writing down her every move. then you
> simply ignore her requests to stop following her even when you are given
> a restraining order.
> still stalkin',

and kristina wrote in reply:

does anyone but me think that this response is in incredibly poor taste?

k
--- end of quoted material ---
i do, kristina.

just a thought folks: a woman is murdered every seven minutes in america by a
man who is stalking her because he "loves" her (us justice dept. violence
against women report, 1994)

who else would you expect but...

susan

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i hear ya sista-girl!

totally unrelated to music.... but i was at a performance of a troup
called "spider woman theater".  their show was absolutley breathtaking,
and,at the end, i was the lone person standing in ovation.

i say: make sure you let them know you appreciate what they do.

ttfn!
elaine r.

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  can't you find something better to do               hate is not a
  point the finger, slow to understand                family value!
  arrogance and ignorance go hand in hand
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subject:      the platinum rule

***advance apologies for use of bandwidth****

while reading all of the concert etiquette banter, i was reminded of "the
platinum rule", which was promoted in a management seminar i attended years
ago.  essentially, it says, "do unto others as they would have you do unto
them".   you can't just "treat people like you would want to be treated"
anymore (rationalizing that since i don't mind people standing in front of
me jumping and twirling around, then the people behind me probably don't
mind either).

some things to consider ( in reserve-seating venues):

*  many concerts involve an awful lot of standing (both before and during
the show).  some people aren't physically capable of standing confortably
for hours on end.

*  everyone pays basically the same price for the ticket, and is entitled
to enjoy the show.

* just one person standing and dancing around affects many people around
them.  conversely, a few nazi stick-in-the-muds can sour the experience of
those around (we're at a concert, not a library)


i think all that is called for is some common courtesy.  if you feel like
standing and or dancing, fine.  if the people around you complain, respect
their needs and try to compromise (tone down the dancing somewhat and sit
during some of the slower songs - especially if you are vertically gifted
or have big hair). and if you are a sitter, ask politely, early on, before
you're bent all to hell, that the people sit through some of it.  and, try
imagining it from the other's perspective.  everyone experience's the music
differently and i'm sure the performers want everyone to enjoy the show.

and don't forget (like, how could you) - always give amy and emily a
standing ovation!!!!!!!

now, be nice!
betsy

-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_
..you see turning off the light switch is their only power
      when we stand like spotlights in a mighty tower
                       all for one and one for all
                    then we sing the common call.....
                                                             e. saliers
_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-

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reply-to:     "joan m. cyr" <jcyr@mit.edu>
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from:         "joan m. cyr" <jcyr@mit.edu>
subject:      boo hoo! me not on rosie (nigc)

was anyone else besides me totally depressed when melissa etheridge's
appearance on the rosie o'donnell show was cancelled due to the fire on
rosie's set?  i was hoping to hear melissa sing, and hear about the baby.
rosie herself said
monday that she had a baby basket full of goodies for melissa.  i would
have loved to hear their conversation - i'm sure it would have been as good
as rosie's chat with ellen d.

i say we petition rosie to do a remote interview from one of melissa's
shows, and have me and rosie do a duet (like "bring me some water" joan
osbourne style).  send all mail to rosie at her aol address (probably
something like rosie@aol.com -- just a guess).

here's hoping for a creative solution.....

joni  :>}

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reply-to:     mark anthony donajkowski <madonajk@alpha.delta.edu>
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from:         mark anthony donajkowski <madonajk@alpha.delta.edu>
subject:      re: igboo8/kare
x-to:         kristina cizas <kcizas@cgrg.ohio-state.edu>
in-reply-to:  <pine.sun.3.91.961015095928.14236f-100000@insanity.cgrg.ohio-state.edu>

the price on the vynal is a little high but the stuff i quoted was way to
much 850 for tame yourself  60 bucks for days of wine and roses thats bs

on tue, 15 oct 1996, kristina cizas wrote:

> on mon, 14 oct 1996, margaret clayton wrote:
>
> > >
> > > check out our web site at http://members.aol.com/igboo8/index.html
> > > for more items.  we also have a large variety of rare posters/album flats...
>
> > does anyone know anything about this person/these people?  i checked out
> > the web site and the whole thing seems very un-indigo.  it seems like
> > this is just the type of thing that the ig have said they don't want to
> > see.  i am disappointed.
>
> as am i. this person has taken material that they've most likely traded
> for and is selling it - $8.50 per audio tape! nice hefty profit,
> especially since most of us on the list would make copies of any of these
> for free in order to share the joy of the igs music.. i think a call to
> russell carter / sony might be in order.... does anyone have an in of any
> sort there?
>
> this stuff makes me ill - particularly since the person doing this is
> ostensibly a member of the list.
>
> kristina
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> kristina cizas                           "trust only movement.
> kcizas@cgrg.ohio-state.edu                life happens at the level of events
>                                           not of words. trust movement."
>        ~~~~~~~~~                                        -alfred adler
> "don't be icky, and don't perpetuate
>  or participate in a system that
>  allows people to be icky
>  to each other." -ani difranco
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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subject:      re: you know you're obsessed...

in a message dated 96-10-15 11:50:42 edt, you write:

<< you know you're an obsessed ig fan when....

         you spend $30-$40 a week on blank tapes for bootleg trades.


                         --sunny
         (who spent $44 last night at best buy on blanks)    :) >>

.....and when you get your panties in a bunch and panic,
     when your best friend wants to borrow ('till friday)
     two 90 min. blanks from your stash of 20......

binky ( or maybe i'm just obsessive in general ;)

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from:         pat chaney <pooh40@mc.net>
subject:      concert manners

sorry to sound like an old fart but folks..did ya ever think the person
behind you has some kinda physical disability that won't permit them to
stand for more than 10 or 20 minutes at a time???( i'm speaking about me
and i gotta believe there are others,) thers nothing i hate more than
dishing out $40 or more and not being able to see..all i ask is if ya see
someone sitting behind you, try to sit at least part of the time..then
we'll all be equally pleased and equally bummed..( but,,,i can yell and
scream as loud as the rest of ya!)
pooh

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subject:      obsessed/ar

ben wrote (& kristina responded):

> ....you stalk amy ray for six years writing down her every move.
then you
> simply ignore her requests to stop following her even when you are
given
> a restraining order.
> still stalkin',

does anyone but me think that this response is in incredibly poor
taste?  k
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

i'm not sure if he's serious.  hey ben...you didn't really stalk (or
track) ar did you?  that's insane (not to mention impolite).

melissa

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subject:      re: tablature for thin line (1200c)

>could anyone point to me to a web site, song book etc. that has
>the tablature for thin line off of 1200c ?

me too...or post to the list. thanks!
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reply-to:     jill frankel <jefrankel@ucdavis.edu>
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subject:      re: indigo-girls digest - 14 oct 1996

kirsten chevalier <kirsten@spike.wellesley.edu> wrote:

>tame yourself-out of print--1 cd @ $15.00 & 4 cassettes @ $8.50
did you know you can get this on cassette from vegan action
<http://www.vegan.org/catalog/tameyourself.html> for $2 plus shipping?

not only that, but i found the actual cd, not used, brand spankin' new at
best buy in milwaukee in may for $10.99.  i'd say don't buy it...

jill

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subject:      re: i finally got the boots (fwd)
x-cc:         dgregoro@mit.edu, kellie deis <kdeis@kent.edu>

attached is the set list for hte 2 boots up top is the 2 folks so far in
my tape tree write them for copies

---------- forwarded message ----------
date: thu, 15 aug 1996 00:30:33 -0400 (edt)

2 100 minute tapes with return postage and a sase please with you i think
that makes 7 which is enough i think

>
> on mon, 12 aug 1996, mark anthony donajkowski wrote:
>
> > alright here is the situation i finally got those boot legs now before u
> > all jump for joe let me say while they are not as good as the one jazz
> > fest they are better then the other jazz fest they are recorded from the
> > audiance and are pretty good cant hear anyone tlaking in them so they are
> > pretty damn good id say maybe 6 rows back maybe more now those of u who
> > agreed to do the tape tree here is what i need 1 u to write me back for my
> > address for u to send 2 blank tapes and return postage and 2 after u get
> > your copies back to then tape for the list id love to but i personally do
> > not have the time i can probally get 2 other boots from this guy as i said
> > i havent seen them elsewere  tapes are 100 minutes each i am listening to
> > the first one right now and its great and its got everyones favorite
> > bassist on it so write me back and lets get this going hugs anthony van
> > pyre
> >  indigo girls franklin&marshall college lancaster, pa 05-07-93 joking
> > hammer and nail                     play  it again sam
> > welcome me                          romeo and juliet
> > strange fire                        southland in the springtime
> > pushing the needle to far           prince of darkness
> > love will come to you               chickenman
> > land of canaan                      watershed
> > galileo                             all along the watch tower
> > never stop                          american tune
> > center stage
> > indigo girls houston texas 09-03-94
> > fugitive                           angles in the trees(w/murray attaway)
> > wood song                          ghost
> > secure yourself                    chickenman
> > hammer and nail                    galileo
> > renunion                           kid fears
> > power of two                      language or the kiss
> > land of canaan                    southern man (w/kristen hall)
> > mystery                           closer to fine (partial)
> > this train revised
> > least complicated
> >
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subject:      re: 1200 curfews songbook

hi, ya'll!


just wanted you to know that hal leonard, who will be pubishing the 1200
curfews songbook, says that it is not available yet.  they are shooting for
a mid-november release (which means that if we get it by christmas, it'll be
a miracle!).

ladyslipper will be carrying it ($24.95), and i think they are taking
pre-orders.

just wanted to pass along the info!

uncle paul

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subject:      thin line chords & tab

this ain't my regular address, yeah, i know.  but for chords and tab of ig
songs, check this url:

http://www.harmony-central.com/guitar/olga/all/indigo_girls.html

thin line's on the list.

mare:)

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subject:      you know you're an obsessed ig fan when... & ani (half igc)

you know you're an obsessed ig fan when...

you make an ig mix of your favorite ig songs, then realize that you have
too many favorites, so you decide to make an ig mix, volume ii, and, while
making volume ii, you're already deciding what to put on volume iii.


on another note, ani difranco is playing irvine auditorium at penn on
11/18/96 at 8pm.  i just got my tickets!  anyone else planning to go?

-andi

           -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-
                              andrea lipman
                       e-mail: ablipman@sas.upenn.edu
               homepage: http://www.sas.upenn.edu/~ablipman

                "it's alright, though we worry and fuss
              we can't get over the hump, can't get over us
             seems easier to push than to let go and trust
                           but it's alright"-es
           _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_

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subject:      re: igboo8/karen
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i feel just the opposite. #1 i really don't think amy and emily don't
care. i mean, they're not exactly starving artsists. #2 it's really hard
to find anything indigo in chain record stores. it offers a great source
of boots and posters and things you just can't find in stores. if you
don't like it, don't buy anything.
ben

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what's "tame yourself"?
ben

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subject:      crd/tab/lyrics: "thin line" (fwd)

hey all.

happy tuesday.  i am buried in thesis hell.  but, saw that a bunch of you
are concerned with the thin line tabs so here they are.  when i saw the
girls in new orleans, they played this song capoed.  that confused me
greatly since it sounds right (the way it's played on 1200 curfews) if you
play it like it says down below without a capo.

good luck!

carolyn

thin line
words and music by gerard mchugh,
from album "more than i" (daemon records)
(c) 1990 rodney's rib music


intro: g, g/f#, c

g             g/f#     c
i thought the time was past when i could
g    g/f#        c
find beauty in a bird
g         g/f#          c
i set the stage and the scenery
g  g/f#          c
rehearsing every word

            d
chorus: but when i tried to make it more
                    c      g
        well it was always less
                      d
        'cause it's a thin line between pleasing yourself
                     c             g, g/f#, c
        and pleasing somebody else


g          g/f#          c
so with my confidence on fire
g        g/f#         c
i set to fixin' up my roles
g   g/f#      c
separation of desires
g           g/f#          c
just put me deeper in the hole


chorus

g          g/f#          c
so now i'm tryin' to get back
g         g/f#      c
to what i know what i should be
g         g/f#     c
hoping to god that i was just
g      g/f#      c
a temporary absentee


chorus


here's tablature for the way i play the chords:

      g         g/f#        c          d

e-----3----------3----------3----------2----------|
b-----3----------3----------3----------3----------|
g--------------------------------------2----------|
d---------------------------2---------------------|
a-----2----------2----------3---------------------|
e-----3----------2--------------------------------|

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subject:      re: igboo8/karen

well i'd say i smell a rat, if not a skunk, in the case of this sales
pitch. first of all, it said "not bootlegs" but they're selling days of
wine & roses which would be...not a bootleg?? then what is it? plus the
prices are quite high. also i checked out the web page and it says make
check or money order payable to "karen" and mail to [address]. due to an
oversight by a person writing a check, i have once had to deposit a
check made out to only my first name and it is not easy at all. i don't
think anyone would intentionally ask for that hassle unless she were
trying to hide. generally i think if someone isn't even telling her last
name, it makes it that much easier for her to run off to djibouti with
your money and send you nothing and you'll never find her (granted, far
worst case scenario). i don't mean to flame (at least without reason),
so "karen," if you're out there reading this, just tell us your last
name and maybe the email addresses of a few highly satisfied past
customers.

dave

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on tue, 15 oct 1996 verdi@imap2.asu.edu wrote:
> i feel just the opposite. #1 i really don't think amy and emily don't
> care. i mean, they're not exactly starving artsists. #2 it's really hard
> to find anything indigo in chain record stores. it offers a great source
> of boots and posters and things you just can't find in stores. if you
> don't like it, don't buy anything.
> ben

my issue is not with selling the legitimate things indigo, which are
definitely hard to find.  it is with selling bootlegs that most of us
would gladly make for free for a stranger.  amy and emily have, i
believe, said several times that they don't have a problem with bootlegs
being traded among friends, etc., but that they don't want it to be a
business.  it seems like that is what this is.

that is not to say, however, that i _know_ what a&e think about this.
someone even said in a private email to me that they know about this person
and are cool with it, so that definitely puts a spin on things.  i,
personally, think it is bad taste to sell bootlegged tapes, so i won't buy
from her (even though i would kill for an ep..  *swoon*).

margaret

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subject:      any info on the la show?

hi there everyone :) i've kinda been lax in reading my email these last
couple months, and i was wondering if there was a kind soul out there who
could shed any light on the la homor the earth tour show. i got the post
card with the oct 17th date on it, but the concert doesn't seem to exist
to ticketbastard and shangrila studios doesn't seem to exist to the 411
people. i know i'm kinda real last minute here, but any help would be ...
well... super cool. thanks a bunch

lisa :)

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subject:      re: the platinum rule
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on tue, 15 oct 1996, mediancat wrote:

(lots of great points about the platinum rule)

and i think that's the best response on this subject i've read yet.  thank
you for posting that!

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subject:      re: web site and a bunch of excuses

for those of you like me who adore amy (not that emily lacks the essential
qualities for indigo adoration) and have never seen a full photo of her face
- go into hyperspace to get to this site
<http://www.moonbase.com/fortunateones/> - there are a couple of beautiful
photos of her.

sue

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>
> > ....you stalk amy ray for six years writing down her every move.
> then you
> > simply ignore her requests to stop following her even when you are
> given
> > a restraining order.
> > still stalkin',

yeah ben, i think yer right...
that's obsession, pure and simple.
you hit that one on the nail.

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subject:      re: obsessed fan thing

you are an obsessed fan when...
- you take a standardized test and choke periodically because due to certain
key words (swamp, fire, etc.) you are certain that russell carter wrote the
test (heh!)

- when asked to write an essay, the paper is blank until you think of a good
ig quote to start you going...and your thesis is chosen because it reminds
you of a good song...

- you spend more time selecting songs to listen to in the morning as you rush
out the door than you do getting dressed.  and these must be specific
songs...and of course you know all the words :)

and these are true :)  my essay - the scarlet letter - central character of
course was pearl - pain from pearls?  :)
peace, love, and obsession (also a very nice cologne...:)
katy

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subject:      re: rare collectables for sale!! not bootlegs
x-to:         madonajk@alpha.delta.edu

in a message dated 96-10-14 23:18:20 edt, madonajk@alpha.delta.edu (mark
anthony donajkowski) writes:

>
>this is still in stores just gotta look
>> tame yourself-out of print--1 cd @ $15.00 & 4 cassettes @ $8.50

oh my gosh!  i bought this cd at best buy for $1.99!!!

if anyone needs a copy, please ask me....i'll see if they still have any,
dont spend that much!!!!!!!!!!!!

i hate to see people getting ripped off....

jan

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subject:      a gift compilation tape

hi gang.  it's me again at this weird e-mail address.  :)

anyhow, i want to give a good friend of mine a compliation tape of the best
live songs performed by ig--one side is to be amy's and one side is to be
emily's.  i'd like suggestions from y'all, and be sure to tell me which
show it's from.

i'll definitely appreciate the input!  and reply to me at this
address--it's a new account, and i'm pretty excited about it.  no busy
signals!

mare  :)

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subject:      you know you're an obsessed ig fan when...

...you're sitting in mass falling asleep listening to father mccarthy's
boring as hell sermon, and when he says "calvary," you suddenly perk up
because you automatically think of "strange fire" and start singing the
entire song in your head. and after that, even though you've been through 12
years of catholic school and know you _should_ feel guilty, you don't
because it's ig dammit!!!!

-------------------------------------------------------
        "i want a party with rooms full of laughter,
         ten thousand tons of ice cream,
         and if i don't get the things i am after,
         i'm going to scream..."

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subject:      nigc phone scam

hey y'all,
happy tuesday or something,
karey

---------forwarded message-------
>please be warned
>pass this along to everyone you know.
>
>a new scam has been identified by the national fraud information center that is
>costing victims big bucks!
>
>the scam works basically like this:
>you get home and notice that the message light is blinking on your answering
>machine. you listen to the message, which has several wrinkles, but the best
>one is the caller asks you to call a number beginning with the area code 809 to
>receive information about a family member who has been ill. they may also tell
>you someone has been arrested, died, you have won a wonderful prize, etc.
>
>in any event, concerned or curious, you make the call. sometimes the phone will
>be answered by a person who claims to speak broken english. the idea is to keep
>you on the line to build up charges. or, sometimes you will just get a long
>recorded message. the bottom line is, when your phone bill comes, you see this
>incredible charge, oftentimes more than $100.00!
>
>crooks are using the 809 numbers as "pay-per-call" to get around the us
>regulations and 900 number blocking. every time you call the number, they get a
>greatly inflated rebate from the foreign phone company. since the 809 numbers
>are in the caribbean, they aren't bound by us 900 # regulations that require
>them to warn you of the charge and rate involved, and also to provide a time
>period during which you may terminate the call without being charged.
>
>the newest twist to this scam is to page people using the 809 numbers. with the
>new area code changes, people unknowingly are returning these calls. when the
>bill comes, there are huge charges for the calls.
>
>my suggestion is that no matter how you get the message, if you are asked to
>call a number with an 809 area code that you don't recognize, don't return the
>call! it's bad enough that the criminal is invading your privacy, don't let
>them invade you wallet as well!
>
>scams of this type are extremely hard to prosecute and since you did actually
>make the call , neither your local phone company or your long distance carrier
>will want to get involved. they will tell you that they are simply providing
>the billing for the foreign company. you end up trying to deal  (over the
>phone) with a foreign company that feels they have done no wrong.
>
>it can turn into a real nightmare! please forward this message to friends and
>let people be aware of it!
>
>sgt. rebel lynn roberts
>department of safety and security
>dartmouth college
>

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subject:      re: you know you're obsessed when...
in-reply-to:  <961015131341_127265865@emout17.mail.aol.com>

... you sit in class and abbreviate lines in songs by just their first
letter (such as: "iteaetmutods" for "is there ever anything else that
makes us take our different sides") to quiz your girlfriend on to see
if she can figure out the line...
and then you quiz yourself, after a week or so...

--melissa :)

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in a message dated 96-10-16 03:04:29 edt, mmgst11+@pitt.edu (sweet pea)
writes:

>... you sit in class and abbreviate lines in songs by just their first
>letter (such as: "iteaetmutods" for "is there ever anything else that
>makes us take our different sides") to quiz your girlfriend on to see
>if she can figure out the line...
>and then you quiz yourself, after a week or so...
>
>

this one, i think, is the winner.


-margot

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subject:      re: sherman alexie (nigc)
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thanks to this list, i just bought _tonto and the lone ranger_ and i am
thrilled to say that i will get to hear alexie read from his latest work,
_indian killer_, this friday in iowa city.
go prairie lights!  in case anyone in the area is interested, the reading
is at the prairie lights bookstore, 15 s. dubuque st., in iowa city at
8:00 p.m.  think it's also broadcast on "live from prairie lights," don't
know what station.

for anyone who read and rememberes the comic strip "bloom county," the
creator lived in i.c. (which was the setting for the strip!!!) and he
featured prairie lights on several different occasions.

i got so excited when i saw alexie's name on the new p.l. reading list,
and i couldn't remember at first where i had heard of this guy...then
suddenly it hit me!  the ig list!

thanks again to everyone who suggested this author!

--suzi ssteffen@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu

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i forget the name of the new club it is playing at in malibu.  not shangri
la.  the show is 10/17.  according to ksca, tix are still available.  very
costly (being a bennie and all)  for exact details, find an la weekly, or
call ksca (radio station in glendale or burbank)... they have details.

hope this helps.

wish i had the $$!

pamela

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subject:      re: rare collectables for sale!!  not bootlegs
x-to:         verdi@imap2.asu.edu
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tame yourself is a cd put out by peta to make money the girls and stipe
from rem did a song on their called ill shed my skin for you
hugs anthony van pyre

on tue, 15 oct 1996 verdi@imap2.asu.edu wrote:

> what's "tame yourself"?
> ben
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yep me to thats why i posted the note blowing those prices outta the water
i wasnt the one selling the stuff i was hte one busting on them<g>
hugs anthony van pyre


on tue, 15 oct 1996 janinsdale@aol.com wrote:

> in a message dated 96-10-14 23:18:20 edt, madonajk@alpha.delta.edu (mark
> anthony donajkowski) writes:
>
> >
> >this is still in stores just gotta look
> >> tame yourself-out of print--1 cd @ $15.00 & 4 cassettes @ $8.50
>
> oh my gosh!  i bought this cd at best buy for $1.99!!!
>
> if anyone needs a copy, please ask me....i'll see if they still have any,
> dont spend that much!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> i hate to see people getting ripped off....
>
> jan
>

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subject:      need winona laduke speech

someone fairly recently posted a speech that winona laduke made before an
ig concert on the hte tour. could someone please fwd it to me? i have
friends who would like to read it and i erroneously thought that i had
saved it. bad me! thanks :)

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from:         "keates, harry" <hak@crai.com>
organization: charles river associates
subject:      re: you know you're obsessed...
in-reply-to:  <be667237011c0e00>

binky wrote:
>.....and when you get your panties in a bunch and panic,
>    when your best friend wants to borrow ('till friday)
>     two 90 min. blanks from your stash of 20......

you let your blank tape collection get down to 20????

isn't that cutting it a bit close?   : )

  harry a. keates
  email: hak@crai.com

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date:         wed, 16 oct 1996 09:17:51 +0000
reply-to:     degler@lannert.com
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from:         aaron degler <degler@lannert.com>
subject:      easy money!!  it's true!  just read this!
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              aerosmith-fans@dartmouth.edu

i'm not joking this is a great opportunity
but, don't take my word for it just try it.  it only takes
a few minutes.

  i saw an article in an internet newsgroup telling me i could make
$50,000 within a month for an investment of only $5.

i thought it  was a huge joke. i spoke  to my other college friends,
and
they all agreed it  was some kind of scam. i  can't stand scams, because
usually someone gets burned, and i didn't want it to be me. of course, i
rejected the idea at  first. after a short period of  about two weeks,
i
thought  : "i have already  heard of such things.  but on the internet
?!?!? ". i decided  that even if i had to throw $5 into the fire, i
wouldn't  mind it that much, and gave it a try.  after all i needed a
lot
more than five dollars.


  one week later,  i began receiving money  -- every day!  i could not
believe it! soon, hundreds,  and then thousands of dollars began to
roll
in. within 6 weeks, i  had received a total of $47,326!  it came from
everywhere in  the world. my bank account has changed its "-"  into a
big
"+" (++++)!!!


  if you follow the three steps  below, there is no reason why the  same
shouldn't  happen  to you!  this  is a  legitimate investment
opportunity. you  invest $5,  and you  receive a return on  your
investment. so  does the next  investor. not illegal, not a chain
letter-
perfectly legitimate.

  if  you  are not  interested,  then  don't participate,  but please
print this article and pass  it on to someone who may be interested, so
they can take advantage.

  the  procedure is  simple:  1)  write your name and address, an
e-mail
address,  and the name of the newsgroup where you learned of this on 5
sheets of paper.  below that, write the words, "please add me to  your
list." fold  $1 note  or bank draft or money order  in each  piece of
paper and  send them to the following 5 addresses.:


1. beyond technology
    5641 apgar street
    houston, texas 77032  usa
2. daniel dekonty
    lee college #88
    1120 n. ocoee street
    cleveland,  tn  37320  usa
3. don noel
    222 ne dogwood st #c103
    issaquah, wa 98027 usa
4. eric horn
    240 robert court #203
    glendale hieghts, illinois 60139
5. aaron degler
    921 fargo blvd
    geneva, illinoi 60134


   2) now remove the top name from the list, and move the other four
names
up. in other words,  #5 becomes #4 and so on. put your name as the
fifth
one on the list.   use a simple text editor such as  notepad,  in your
"accessories" window (if you have  ms-windows),or dos  editor.   in
fact,
any editor will do.

   3) post  the article to at  least 200 newsgroups.  there are17,000,
so
it shouldn't  be hard  to find  that many.   try posting to as  many
newsgroups as you can,   and the bigger the newsgroup is,  the more
people are to see your message!

   you  are now  in  the an order services business, and should start
seeing returns within a week or two.   of course,  the more newsgroups
you
post to, the greater your return is.  if you  wish to remain anonymous,
you may use a psuedonym, call yourself  "the manager", "the boss",
whatever but make sure your address is correct.

   now, here is why the system works:

   -of every  200 posts  i made, i  received 5  responses. yes,  only 5.
you make $5 for every 200 posts with your name at #5.

   -each person who  sent you $1 now also  makes 200 additional postings
with your name at #4. ie. 1000 postings. on average therefore, 50 people
will send you  $1 with your name at #4.  $50.

   -your 50 new agents make 200 postings each with your name at #3 or
10,000 postings.  average return  500 people  = $500.  they make  200
postings  each with  your name  at #2=100,000 postings=5000 return at $1
each=$5000.

   -finally, 5,000 people  make 200 postings with  your name at #1 and
you get a return  of $50,000 before your  name drops off the list. and
thats if  everyone down the line makes 200 postings! total income in one
cycle=$55,000.

  from time to  time, when you see your name  no longer on the list,
you
take the  latest  posting  that appears  in  the newsgroups, and  send
out
another $5,  and put your  name at #5, and start posting again.
remember,
200 postings is only a guideline. the more you post, the greater the
return.

   lets review  why  you should do this.  the only cost is  $5.  anyone
can afford $5  for such an effortless investment with such spectacular
returns.

   some people have said to me,  "what happens if the scheme is played
out
and no one sends me any money?  "big deal, so you lose $5-but what are
the
chances of that happening ?? do you realize that  nobody cares for  the
legal chance  of winning such  a big  money as  50,000.00  $$$$ ????
and
all for  a microscopic investment of five  separate dollars? just think
of
all  of the new  internet users that  join the  net every day!!!

   there are  millions of internet  users, and millions  of new net
surfers every  month !!!  this is the  great plus of the internet,
people
all over the world can hear you and listen carefully if you  talk
reasonably.  everyone  will take that chance !  i agree,  if  it wasn't
the  internet,  and  was a small circle  of people,  the chance
wouldn't
have  been so small.  the amount of money had to be 200 times bigger,
and
the chances were zero.  it wouldn't succeed.

   but here, on the internet, it is a giant village,  where new
thousands
of members join in every day ! you can't lose !!!!

   remember- read the instructions  carefully, and play fairly.  that's
the  only way this will  work. get a printout  so you can refer back to
this article easily.

   try to  keep a  list of  everyone that  sends you  money and always
keep an eye on the  postings to make sure everyone is playing fairly.
you
know where your name should be.

   remember-honesty is  the best  policy.  you  do not  need to cheat
this  idea to  make money!!   besides,not  playing the game  fairly  is
illegal.so  let's  be  reasonable and  play fairly,so we can all enjoy
the
internet gold mine.

good luck  for you all, and  remember, play fair  and you'll win,  i
don't
want to mention what might happen to those who won't.   and  again,see
you next  time  with something  you wanted for a long time !!!

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date:         wed, 16 oct 1996 10:09:39 -0500
reply-to:     the searcher <kidfears@flinthills.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         the searcher <kidfears@flinthills.com>
subject:      addresses to reply to: re: easy money!!  it's true!  just read
              this!

at 09:17 am 10/16/96 +0000, you wrote:
>i'm not joking this is a great opportunity
>but, don't take my word for it just try it.  it only takes
>a few minutes.
try these addresses to send an entire copy of the offending email back to
the postmaster of this idiot.
postmaster@ilin.com
postmaster@lannert.com

be sure and include the ugly headers......

marianne

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date:         wed, 16 oct 1996 16:26:15 +0100
reply-to:     indigo jo <mts5@aber.ac.uk>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         indigo jo <mts5@aber.ac.uk>
subject:      re: easy money!!  it's true!  just read this!
in-reply-to:  <3264a83f.2e5@lannert.com>

on wed, 16 oct 1996, aaron degler wrote:

<a ton of bullshit snipped>

please!!! do not send this kind of crap to the list or indeed anywhere.
it's a scam and it's probably illegal!   and it's also an incredible
nuisance.   these spams have been appearing just about everywhere on the net
lately and most of us are getting sick of them!   please! stop!!!

i suggest that anyone who is irritated by these posts forwards them straight
to that person's postmaster.   that way he will probably get his account
cancelled.   he deserves it.

mat

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adverts and junkmail will be read for 500 pounds sterling per item;
sending such email to me constitutes agreement to pay for the priviledge
of my attention.

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date:         wed, 16 oct 1996 10:31:23 -0500
reply-to:     tritessa <gsajaf@noctrl.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         tritessa <gsajaf@noctrl.edu>
subject:      re: easy money!! it's true! just read this!
x-to:         aaron degler <degler@lannert.com>
in-reply-to:  <3264a83f.2e5@lannert.com>

ladies and gentleman, i want to let you know, this is absolutely illegal!
don't believe what the post says, the note included 'please put me on
your list' does not make it legal. anything involving pyramid money
schemes through snail mail is against the law. not only that, but the
mathematics on this simply do not work out. you are not guaranteed to get
even your $5 back. i hate to see this kind of crap posted here. that's
not what this list is for. so, please people, if you're going to be dumb
enough to try this, do it elsewhere.

jen

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date:         wed, 16 oct 1996 11:23:00 -0700
reply-to:     marianne barlow <mlb1@axe.humboldt.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         marianne barlow <mlb1@axe.humboldt.edu>
subject:      love letter to the list

hi, friendly listers,

wanna know why i love this list?
cuz every time i log off my e-mail, i have a different ig song in my head.

thanks, y'all!
the lone coyote

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date:         wed, 16 oct 1996 13:48:58 -0600
reply-to:     nordeelm@caa.mrs.umn.edu
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         lisa on the prairie <nordeelm@caa.mrs.umn.edu>
subject:      bumbershoot boot...

ok, i hate to do this, but i made copies of the bumbershoot boot for people
and now i have discovered that may have sent a copy of blood and fire to
someone instead.  :)  ooops!  if you are this person, please e-mail me and
we can try to remedy the situation.

thanks,
lisa

lisa nordeen
head women's basketball coach
university of minnesota, morris
(320) 589-6429 (o) (320) 589-4782 (h)
nordeelm@caa.mrs.umn.edu

"so i'll walk the plank, and i'll jump with a smile, if i'm gonna
  go down i'm gonna do it with style"
-ani difranco

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date:         wed, 16 oct 1996 09:15:57 -0700
reply-to:     "karen a. vittek" <kvittek@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "karen a. vittek" <kvittek@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
subject:      chords to reversing hour song and words to blood quantum? (some
              igc)

i just got my honor 1 cd and i'm not sure if it's my brain this mornign
or what, but i'm having a hard time figuring out some of the words in
blood quantum.  are they on a lyrics site anywhere or were they posted to
the list at any point and someone happened to save them?  thanks...

also, i'm already a big reversing hour (daemon records) fan, but having
wounded knee on the honor 1 reminded me of them again.  does anyone have
the chords for that song?  it's a really powerful song and i'd love to
learn it...thanks again!

k

_______________________________________________________________________
what if no one's watching
what if when we're dead we are just dead?
what if it's just us down here
what if god is just an idea
someone put in your head?

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date:         wed, 16 oct 1996 15:04:45 -0400
reply-to:     christopher james dunkle <cjdunk0@sac.uky.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         christopher james dunkle <cjdunk0@sac.uky.edu>
subject:      re: aeromail easy money!!  it's true!  just read this!
x-to:         aaron degler <degler@lannert.com>
x-cc:         abba-list@csn.org, vanhalen@lists.fdt.net,
              greenday@puck.nether.net, sci-fi-fantasy@listserv.prodigy.com,
              real-nyc@listserv.prodigy.com, mls-la <mls-la@americasnet.com>,
              majordomo@listserv.prodigy.com, allman@netspace.org,
              aerosmith-fans@dartmouth.edu
in-reply-to:  <3264a83f.2e5@lannert.com>

this is crap. don't try it. it's a waste of $5. trust me, i tried it a
couple of years ago, and i got back .. oh.. about $0.

chris dunkle
philburt =)
cjdunk0@sac.uky.edu

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date:         wed, 16 oct 1996 16:39:18 -0500
reply-to:     ".eric" <thie0080@itlabs.umn.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         ".eric" <thie0080@itlabs.umn.edu>
subject:      re: aeromail easy money!!  it's true!  just read this!
x-to:         christopher james dunkle <cjdunk0@sac.uky.edu>

at 03:04 pm 10/16/96 -0400, christopher james dunkle wrote:
>this is crap. don't try it. it's a waste of $5. trust me, i tried it a
>couple of years ago, and i got back .. oh.. about $0.

actually, i got $7, and saw a couple of people pass it on with my name, but
never sent me money. anyway, after 50 flame responses, i learned it was
illegal.
my $0.02

.eric

now playing:  ani difranco - dilate
     *****   must buy!!!   ***

"we fight for freedom, which no good man would surrender, but with his life."

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date:         wed, 16 oct 1996 17:47:49 -0400
reply-to:     hunterj1@aol.com
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         hunterj1@aol.com
subject:      re: amy's sioux cross tattoo

in a message dated 96-10-14 15:42:33 edt, you write:

<<  does anyone have a close-up of the
tattoo on amy's left arm?  or know of a possible web page that has it?  just
really curious as to what it is, means, etc...  thanks! >>

we are now entering the third life stage of this annual list :)

sorry, feeling dittzy.  got a job and the guy who interviewed me knew of the
indigo girls...did i know i had that job or what ???

jude :)

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date:         wed, 16 oct 1996 18:02:23 -0400
reply-to:     diana opolski <dopolski@acs.ryerson.ca>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         diana opolski <dopolski@acs.ryerson.ca>
subject:      re: aeromail easy money!! it's true! just read this!
x-to:         aaron degler <degler@lannert.com>
x-cc:         abba-list@csn.org, vanhalen@lists.fdt.net,
              greenday@puck.nether.net, sci-fi-fantasy@listserv.prodigy.com,
              real-nyc@listserv.prodigy.com, mls-la <mls-la@americasnet.com>,
              majordomo@listserv.prodigy.com, allman@netspace.org,
              aerosmith-fans@dartmouth.edu
in-reply-to:  <3264a83f.2e5@lannert.com>

what is this?  infiltrating aeromail with ads???  i personally don't want
any mail forwarded to me that also goes to an abba list.  anybody second
this?

peeved,

diana


diana opolski toronto canada
ryerson polytechnic university
dopolski@acs.ryerson.ca

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date:         wed, 16 oct 1996 18:04:21 edt
reply-to:     mary clark <mryclrk@eden.rutgers.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         mary clark <mryclrk@eden.rutgers.edu>
subject:      tattoos (not amy's)

    i got a tattoo of a wolf paw a few weeks ago and i plan on getting
another tattoo with an ig theme.  has anyone ever gotten one, or can anyone
thinnk of any suggestions for one?  i was thinking about an armband with
graphics from nis, the three hits picture, the guy w/ the stone strapped to
his back, etc... anyone else?
mc

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reply-to:     bill sansbury <bsans@wam.umd.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         bill sansbury <bsans@wam.umd.edu>
subject:      re: easy money!!  it's true!  just read this!
x-to:         degler@lannert.com
x-cc:         abba-list@csn.org, vanhalen@lists.fdt.net,
              greenday@puck.nether.net, sci-fi-fantasy@listserv.prodigy.com,
              real-nyc@listserv.prodigy.com, mls-la <mls-la@americasnet.com>,
              majordomo@listserv.prodigy.com, allman@netspace.org,
              aerosmith-fans@dartmouth.edu

why are we being bothered by this little twit?


at 09:17 am 10/16/96 +0000, aaron degler wrote:
>i'm not joking this is a great opportunity
>but, don't take my word for it just try it.  it only takes
>a few minutes.
>
>  i saw an article in an internet newsgroup telling me i could make
>$50,000 within a month for an investment of only $5.
>
> i thought it  was a huge joke. i spoke  to my other college friends,
>and
>they all agreed it  was some kind of scam. i  can't stand scams, because
>usually someone gets burned, and i didn't want it to be me. of course, i
>rejected the idea at  first. after a short period of  about two weeks,
>i
>thought  : "i have already  heard of such things.  but on the internet
>?!?!? ". i decided  that even if i had to throw $5 into the fire, i
>wouldn't  mind it that much, and gave it a try.  after all i needed a
>lot
>more than five dollars.
>
>
>  one week later,  i began receiving money  -- every day!  i could not
>believe it! soon, hundreds,  and then thousands of dollars began to
>roll
>in. within 6 weeks, i  had received a total of $47,326!  it came from
>everywhere in  the world. my bank account has changed its "-"  into a
>big
>"+" (++++)!!!
>
>
>  if you follow the three steps  below, there is no reason why the  same
>shouldn't  happen  to you!  this  is a  legitimate investment
>opportunity. you  invest $5,  and you  receive a return on  your
>investment. so  does the next  investor. not illegal, not a chain
>letter-
>perfectly legitimate.
>
>  if  you  are not  interested,  then  don't participate,  but please
>print this article and pass  it on to someone who may be interested, so
>they can take advantage.
>
>  the  procedure is  simple:  1)  write your name and address, an
>e-mail
>address,  and the name of the newsgroup where you learned of this on 5
>sheets of paper.  below that, write the words, "please add me to  your
>list." fold  $1 note  or bank draft or money order  in each  piece of
>paper and  send them to the following 5 addresses.:
>
>
>1. beyond technology
>    5641 apgar street
>    houston, texas 77032  usa
>2. daniel dekonty
>    lee college #88
>    1120 n. ocoee street
>    cleveland,  tn  37320  usa
>3. don noel
>    222 ne dogwood st #c103
>    issaquah, wa 98027 usa
>4. eric horn
>    240 robert court #203
>    glendale hieghts, illinois 60139
>5. aaron degler
>    921 fargo blvd
>    geneva, illinoi 60134
>
>
>   2) now remove the top name from the list, and move the other four
>names
>up. in other words,  #5 becomes #4 and so on. put your name as the
>fifth
>one on the list.   use a simple text editor such as  notepad,  in your
>"accessories" window (if you have  ms-windows),or dos  editor.   in
>fact,
>any editor will do.
>
>   3) post  the article to at  least 200 newsgroups.  there are17,000,
>so
>it shouldn't  be hard  to find  that many.   try posting to as  many
>newsgroups as you can,   and the bigger the newsgroup is,  the more
>people are to see your message!
>
>   you  are now  in  the an order services business, and should start
>seeing returns within a week or two.   of course,  the more newsgroups
>you
>post to, the greater your return is.  if you  wish to remain anonymous,
>you may use a psuedonym, call yourself  "the manager", "the boss",
>whatever but make sure your address is correct.
>
>   now, here is why the system works:
>
>   -of every  200 posts  i made, i  received 5  responses. yes,  only 5.
>you make $5 for every 200 posts with your name at #5.
>
>   -each person who  sent you $1 now also  makes 200 additional postings
>with your name at #4. ie. 1000 postings. on average therefore, 50 people
>will send you  $1 with your name at #4.  $50.
>
>   -your 50 new agents make 200 postings each with your name at #3 or
>10,000 postings.  average return  500 people  = $500.  they make  200
>postings  each with  your name  at #2=100,000 postings=5000 return at $1
>each=$5000.
>
>   -finally, 5,000 people  make 200 postings with  your name at #1 and
>you get a return  of $50,000 before your  name drops off the list. and
>thats if  everyone down the line makes 200 postings! total income in one
>cycle=$55,000.
>
>  from time to  time, when you see your name  no longer on the list,
>you
>take the  latest  posting  that appears  in  the newsgroups, and  send
>out
>another $5,  and put your  name at #5, and start posting again.
>remember,
>200 postings is only a guideline. the more you post, the greater the
>return.
>
>   lets review  why  you should do this.  the only cost is  $5.  anyone
>can afford $5  for such an effortless investment with such spectacular
>returns.
>
>   some people have said to me,  "what happens if the scheme is played
>out
>and no one sends me any money?  "big deal, so you lose $5-but what are
>the
>chances of that happening ?? do you realize that  nobody cares for  the
>legal chance  of winning such  a big  money as  50,000.00  $$$$ ????
>and
>all for  a microscopic investment of five  separate dollars? just think
>of
>all  of the new  internet users that  join the  net every day!!!
>
>   there are  millions of internet  users, and millions  of new net
>surfers every  month !!!  this is the  great plus of the internet,
>people
>all over the world can hear you and listen carefully if you  talk
>reasonably.  everyone  will take that chance !  i agree,  if  it wasn't
>the  internet,  and  was a small circle  of people,  the chance
>wouldn't
>have  been so small.  the amount of money had to be 200 times bigger,
>and
>the chances were zero.  it wouldn't succeed.
>
>   but here, on the internet, it is a giant village,  where new
>thousands
>of members join in every day ! you can't lose !!!!
>
>   remember- read the instructions  carefully, and play fairly.  that's
>the  only way this will  work. get a printout  so you can refer back to
>this article easily.
>
>   try to  keep a  list of  everyone that  sends you  money and always
>keep an eye on the  postings to make sure everyone is playing fairly.
>you
>know where your name should be.
>
>   remember-honesty is  the best  policy.  you  do not  need to cheat
>this  idea to  make money!!   besides,not  playing the game  fairly  is
>illegal.so  let's  be  reasonable and  play fairly,so we can all enjoy
>the
>internet gold mine.
>
>good luck  for you all, and  remember, play fair  and you'll win,  i
>don't
>want to mention what might happen to those who won't.   and  again,see
>you next  time  with something  you wanted for a long time !!!
>
>
>
>--
>the opinions expressed in this message are my own personal views and do
>not reflect the official views of microsoft corporation
>
>
                       "when you live in the shadow of insanity, the
appearance of another mind that thinks and talks as yours does is something
close to a blessed event."
                                                        robert pirsig
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date:         wed, 16 oct 1996 16:28:37 +0100
reply-to:     indigo jo <mts5@aber.ac.uk>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         indigo jo <mts5@aber.ac.uk>
subject:      spam
x-to:         postmaster@lannert.com

this client of yours (degler@lannert.com) just sent this email to the mailing
list, indigo-girls@netspace.org.   it is bad enough having to read this stuff
on the usenet newsgroups, but having it land in my mailbox is just beyond a
joke.   i strongly urge you to impose suitable sanctions on this user, who
has is misusing the internet for illegal purposes and wasting bandwidth in
doing so.

mat

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| mts5@aber.ac.uk         \   for anyone, an absentee boss is best."   |
| indigojo@freenet.hut.fi  \     - jeannette winterson, "the passion"  |
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adverts and junkmail will be read for 500 pounds sterling per item;
sending such email to me constitutes agreement to pay for the priviledge
of my attention.


---------- forwarded message ----------
date: wed, 16 oct 1996 09:17:51 +0000
from: aaron degler <degler@lannert.com>
to: multiple recipients of list indigo-girls <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
subject: easy money!!  it's true!  just read this!

i'm not joking this is a great opportunity
but, don't take my word for it just try it.  it only takes
a few minutes.

  i saw an article in an internet newsgroup telling me i could make
$50,000 within a month for an investment of only $5.

i thought it  was a huge joke. i spoke  to my other college friends,
and
they all agreed it  was some kind of scam. i  can't stand scams, because
usually someone gets burned, and i didn't want it to be me. of course, i
rejected the idea at  first. after a short period of  about two weeks,
i
thought  : "i have already  heard of such things.  but on the internet
?!?!? ". i decided  that even if i had to throw $5 into the fire, i
wouldn't  mind it that much, and gave it a try.  after all i needed a
lot
more than five dollars.


  one week later,  i began receiving money  -- every day!  i could not
believe it! soon, hundreds,  and then thousands of dollars began to
roll
in. within 6 weeks, i  had received a total of $47,326!  it came from
everywhere in  the world. my bank account has changed its "-"  into a
big
"+" (++++)!!!


  if you follow the three steps  below, there is no reason why the  same
shouldn't  happen  to you!  this  is a  legitimate investment
opportunity. you  invest $5,  and you  receive a return on  your
investment. so  does the next  investor. not illegal, not a chain
letter-
perfectly legitimate.

  if  you  are not  interested,  then  don't participate,  but please
print this article and pass  it on to someone who may be interested, so
they can take advantage.

  the  procedure is  simple:  1)  write your name and address, an
e-mail
address,  and the name of the newsgroup where you learned of this on 5
sheets of paper.  below that, write the words, "please add me to  your
list." fold  $1 note  or bank draft or money order  in each  piece of
paper and  send them to the following 5 addresses.:


1. beyond technology
    5641 apgar street
    houston, texas 77032  usa
2. daniel dekonty
    lee college #88
    1120 n. ocoee street
    cleveland,  tn  37320  usa
3. don noel
    222 ne dogwood st #c103
    issaquah, wa 98027 usa
4. eric horn
    240 robert court #203
    glendale hieghts, illinois 60139
5. aaron degler
    921 fargo blvd
    geneva, illinoi 60134


   2) now remove the top name from the list, and move the other four
names
up. in other words,  #5 becomes #4 and so on. put your name as the
fifth
one on the list.   use a simple text editor such as  notepad,  in your
"accessories" window (if you have  ms-windows),or dos  editor.   in
fact,
any editor will do.

   3) post  the article to at  least 200 newsgroups.  there are17,000,
so
it shouldn't  be hard  to find  that many.   try posting to as  many
newsgroups as you can,   and the bigger the newsgroup is,  the more
people are to see your message!

   you  are now  in  the an order services business, and should start
seeing returns within a week or two.   of course,  the more newsgroups
you
post to, the greater your return is.  if you  wish to remain anonymous,
you may use a psuedonym, call yourself  "the manager", "the boss",
whatever but make sure your address is correct.

   now, here is why the system works:

   -of every  200 posts  i made, i  received 5  responses. yes,  only 5.
you make $5 for every 200 posts with your name at #5.

   -each person who  sent you $1 now also  makes 200 additional postings
with your name at #4. ie. 1000 postings. on average therefore, 50 people
will send you  $1 with your name at #4.  $50.

   -your 50 new agents make 200 postings each with your name at #3 or
10,000 postings.  average return  500 people  = $500.  they make  200
postings  each with  your name  at #2=100,000 postings=5000 return at $1
each=$5000.

   -finally, 5,000 people  make 200 postings with  your name at #1 and
you get a return  of $50,000 before your  name drops off the list. and
thats if  everyone down the line makes 200 postings! total income in one
cycle=$55,000.

  from time to  time, when you see your name  no longer on the list,
you
take the  latest  posting  that appears  in  the newsgroups, and  send
out
another $5,  and put your  name at #5, and start posting again.
remember,
200 postings is only a guideline. the more you post, the greater the
return.

   lets review  why  you should do this.  the only cost is  $5.  anyone
can afford $5  for such an effortless investment with such spectacular
returns.

   some people have said to me,  "what happens if the scheme is played
out
and no one sends me any money?  "big deal, so you lose $5-but what are
the
chances of that happening ?? do you realize that  nobody cares for  the
legal chance  of winning such  a big  money as  50,000.00  $$$$ ????
and
all for  a microscopic investment of five  separate dollars? just think
of
all  of the new  internet users that  join the  net every day!!!

   there are  millions of internet  users, and millions  of new net
surfers every  month !!!  this is the  great plus of the internet,
people
all over the world can hear you and listen carefully if you  talk
reasonably.  everyone  will take that chance !  i agree,  if  it wasn't
the  internet,  and  was a small circle  of people,  the chance
wouldn't
have  been so small.  the amount of money had to be 200 times bigger,
and
the chances were zero.  it wouldn't succeed.

   but here, on the internet, it is a giant village,  where new
thousands
of members join in every day ! you can't lose !!!!

   remember- read the instructions  carefully, and play fairly.  that's
the  only way this will  work. get a printout  so you can refer back to
this article easily.

   try to  keep a  list of  everyone that  sends you  money and always
keep an eye on the  postings to make sure everyone is playing fairly.
you
know where your name should be.

   remember-honesty is  the best  policy.  you  do not  need to cheat
this  idea to  make money!!   besides,not  playing the game  fairly  is
illegal.so  let's  be  reasonable and  play fairly,so we can all enjoy
the
internet gold mine.

good luck  for you all, and  remember, play fair  and you'll win,  i
don't
want to mention what might happen to those who won't.   and  again,see
you next  time  with something  you wanted for a long time !!!

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date:         wed, 16 oct 1996 10:29:49 edt
reply-to:     christel cogneau <101352.3646@compuserve.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         christel cogneau <101352.3646@compuserve.com>
subject:      k's choice and the ig

hello,

i have got the last cd of k's choice (a belgian band), i noticed on the cover of
that cd that they thank the indigo girls.  i also noticed that one song sound a
lot like the ig but it's not written that the ig have something to do with this
song.

i was wondering if someone out there had an idea about the relationship between
k's choice and the indigo girls.

i don't think k's choice is famous in the us so i am looking forward to hearing
from europeans on this list !

bye,

christel

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date:         wed, 16 oct 1996 07:46:05 -0700
reply-to:     mbunch@ix19.ix.netcom.com
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         mbunch@ix19.ix.netcom.com
subject:      re: hte...la show?

at 01:19 am 10/16/96 -0700, pamela wrote:

>according to ksca, tix are still available.
>very costly (being a benefit and all).


i believe there are still $1000 seats availble.
but remember the show is being broadcast on the
internet via monsterbit media.

michael  :-)

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date:         wed, 16 oct 1996 10:32:35 -0500
reply-to:     twb@zycor.lgc.com
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         twb@zycor.lgc.com
subject:      re: easy money!!  it's true!  just read this!

or,

you could just remove all five names from the list, put your name and five
friends, or just five aliases, and don't send good'ol aaron nothin.  i mean
as long as your going to try and con people, why do some half-way job.

trant

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date:         wed, 16 oct 1996 16:47:07 +0100
reply-to:     indigo jo <mts5@aber.ac.uk>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
comments:     resent-from: indigo jo <mts5@aber.ac.uk>
comments:     originally-from: indigo jo <mts5@aber.ac.uk>
from:         indigo jo <mts5@aber.ac.uk>
subject:      message from dick gaughan - off topic - info on spam (fwd)

i just found this message on the newsgroup uk.music.folk which is by dick
gaughan, who is presumably the same as the scottish singer-songwriter.   it
is all about the cretinous "get rich" posts which have been flooding
newsgroups such as this lately.

mat

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| mts5@aber.ac.uk         \   for anyone, an absentee boss is best."   |
| indigojo@freenet.hut.fi  \     - jeannette winterson, "the passion"  |
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|    billy bragg / indigo girls info:  http://www.aber.ac.uk/~mts5/    |
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---------- forwarded message ----------
date: tue, 1 oct 1996 14:57:09 +0100
from: dick gaughan <dickg@dickalba.demon.co.uk>
newsgroups: uk.music.folk
subject: off topic - info on spam

sorry to post this off-topic message but it seems important.

there have been a couple of "make money fast" chain-mail posts to
uk.music.folk in the last week and, as many readers may be fairly new to
usenet, i would like to point out that such posts are actually a breach
of both uk and usa law.

opinion is split on usenet as to how deal with what has become known as
"spam" (from the monty python sketch where "spam" overwhelms everything)
between those who say if we ignore it then it will go away and those who
say it should be resisted or it will kill usenet.

my own approach is to never reply directly in the group as this just
adds to the waste of bandwidth but i always complain directly to the
poster and to their isp by addressing my complaint to
"postmaster@(wherever).com" which you can figure out from the header.
several times i have had replies back from isps thanking me and stating
that, as the post was in breach of their acceptable use policy, they had
warned the offender or, in the case of severe abuse, closed the acount
so such complaints can be effective in helping to stop this kind of
abuse. it should be noted that such complaints are *never* related to
abuse *on* usenet (an inevitable part of free discussion) but
exclusively to abuse *of* usenet. there is a big difference.

if the post is a chain-mail incitement to send money and has originated
in the usa, the relevant legislation is title 18, united states code,
section 1302, the postal lottery statute and the full text can be found
at http://www.usps.gov/websites/depart/inspect/chainlet.htm

further information about commercial spams can be found on the
newsgroups new.admin.misc and news.admin.net-abuse.misc

i apologise again for what some might interpret as wasting space on this
but i suspect this particular spam will show up here quite regularly for
a time as the chain is now in circulation with uk.music.folk as part of
the header and anyone foolish and naive enough to get involved will
almost certainly be clueless enough to not edit follow-ups and will
inevitably repost here. forewarned is forearmed.

--
dick gaughan, dun eideann (edinburgh), alba (scotland)
website : http://www.dickalba.demon.co.uk/

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date:         wed, 16 oct 1996 19:31:59 edt
reply-to:     kirsten chevalier <kirsten@spike.wellesley.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         kirsten chevalier <kirsten@spike.wellesley.edu>
subject:      re tame yourself

>tame yourself is a cd put out by peta to make money the girls and stipe
>from rem did a song on their called ill shed my skin for you
>hugs anthony van pyre
it's "i'll give you my skin", actually.
kirsten

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"unfortunately, there is no algorithm for making human relationships work."
--robin williams
http://wilbur.wellesley.edu/n-z/t1kchevalier/t1kchevalier.html

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date:         wed, 16 oct 1996 16:51:47 -0700
reply-to:     "s. lingwood" <lingwood@u.washington.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "s. lingwood" <lingwood@u.washington.edu>
subject:      (definately nigc) that easy money thing

anybody else but me find it funny that the thing on the bottom of the
email tagged the person (or someone back up the chain) as working at
microsoft?

knowing that if she worked at microsoft (or even had a job! :) ) she
wouldn't need get rich quick schemes....
-stephanie
________________________________________________________________
stephanie lingwood                     lingwood@u.washington.edu
    "time's fun when you're having flies."
___________________________________________-kermit the frog_____

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date:         wed, 16 oct 1996 17:00:00 -0700
reply-to:     mediancat <bbertiaux@spectrumctls.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         mediancat <bbertiaux@spectrumctls.com>
subject:      re: (definately nigc) that easy money thing

i thought it was interesting to see how many lists the easy money thing was
copied to.  does this mean that aaron is on that many lists?  yikes!!    i
think someone needs a spankin' here!

betsy


>anybody else but me find it funny that the thing on the bottom of the
>email tagged the person (or someone back up the chain) as working at
>microsoft?
>
>knowing that if she worked at microsoft (or even had a job! :) ) she
>wouldn't need get rich quick schemes....
>-stephanie
>________________________________________________________________
>stephanie lingwood                     lingwood@u.washington.edu
>    "time's fun when you're having flies."
>___________________________________________-kermit the frog_____
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      when we stand like spotlights in a mighty tower
                       all for one and one for all
                    then we sing the common call.....
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date:         wed, 16 oct 1996 20:24:30 edt
reply-to:     chickensoprano <creechal@aslan.emu.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         chickensoprano <creechal@aslan.emu.edu>
organization: eastern mennonite university
subject:      nigc: abba (was about the money post)
x-to:         dopolski@acs.ryerson.ca

on  wed, 16 oct 1996,  diana opolsk wrote:

> i personally don't want
> any mail forwarded to me that also goes to an abba list.

oooh...careful...some of us here listen to abba, too. ;)

rhythmically abled female monarch,
anna :)

"there is more simplicity in the man who eats caviar on impulse than
in the man who eats grape-nuts on principle."  - g. k. chesterton

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date:         wed, 16 oct 1996 20:31:38 -0400
reply-to:     jncalif@aol.com
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from:         jncalif@aol.com
subject:      your help finding cd desperately needed (nigc)

hi all--

major apologies for the nigc, but so many of you are experts at finding
hard-to-find cds that i'm throwing myself on your mercy.

i was burglarized last year. i lost most of my cd collection--and,
thankfully, have been able to replace almost all of it, except for one of my
favorites, a cd of the soundtrack from china beach....it's called china
beach: music and memories. (well, i also lost my autographed-by-both a&e copy
of strange fire, but i've already done loud public wailing on the subject, so
i'll spare y'all <g>!) i've been trying to special-order the cb soundtrack
through three different national chains here in the nyc metropolitan area
since the burglary, with no luck--no one agrees on whether or not it's out of
print, but i'm assuming it is. however, it would be *recently* out of print,
so it might still be in your local *new* store.

if any of you see a cd of the china beach soundtrack, please pick it up for
me, or alternatively, email me privately with a music store phone number. i,
of course, would express mail a check or money order, whatever is preferred,
if someone's kind enough to pick this up for me. not to be picky, but i only
want a cd...new, used, it doesn't matter, as long as it's a cd!

your help is very much appreciated!

thanks,
julie
jncalif@aol.com

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date:         wed, 16 oct 1996 17:29:37 -0700
reply-to:     hugh barroll <hugh404@ix.netcom.com>
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from:         hugh barroll <hugh404@ix.netcom.com>
subject:      re: k's choice and the ig/ig covers of neil young ?
x-to:         christel cogneau <101352.3646@compuserve.com>

you wrote:
>
>hello,
>
>
>
>i was wondering if someone out there had an idea about the
relationship between
>k's choice and the indigo girls.
>
k's choice back the igs on their stunning version of rocking in the
free world which is (for me) the highlight of the cd single power of
two.

by the way, i'm interested in other ig covers of neil young songs.  i
have down by the river from 1200 curfews, and the studio cortez the
killer outtake and the denver cowgirl in the sand.  does anyone have
info on other stuff?

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date:         wed, 16 oct 1996 17:40:04 -0700
reply-to:     hugh barroll <hugh404@ix.netcom.com>
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subject:      hello and alcatraz concert note

i'm new to the list, and want to say hello.  i'm hugh barroll, an ig
fan of five years or so who is starting to explore cyberspace.  i'm a
fairly serious tape trader, though my ig collection is sadly lacking.
i've roughly 3,000 hours of tradeable tapes, but only about 15 hours of
ig.  i'm interested in hooking up with traders interested in trading ig
stuff for my neil young, bob dylan, jefferson airplane, grateful dead
and other such stuff.

on the alcatraz show, i was wondering if any others from the list are
going to the concert on saturday night.  i'll be there, and i'm eagerly
anticipating it.  i'll try to post a review.

look forward to posting with you

hugh barroll hugh404@ix.netcom.com

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date:         wed, 16 oct 1996 20:44:21 -0400
reply-to:     diana opolski <dopolski@acs.ryerson.ca>
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from:         diana opolski <dopolski@acs.ryerson.ca>
subject:      re: nigc: abba (was about the money post)
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on wed, 16 oct 1996, chickensoprano wrote:

> on  wed, 16 oct 1996,  diana opolsk wrote:
>
> > i personally don't want
> > any mail forwarded to me that also goes to an abba list.
>
> oooh...careful...some of us here listen to abba, too. ;)
>
> rhythmically abled female monarch,
> anna :)
>
> "there is more simplicity in the man who eats caviar on impulse than
>  in the man who eats grape-nuts on principle."  - g. k. chesterton
>

anna,

what can i say?  i'm a rock n'roll purist.

diana opolski toronto canada
ryerson polytechnic university
dopolski@acs.ryerson.ca

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subject:      complaining about spam on the list (nigc)

hey folks, if you want to complain about the easy money spam stuff--
could you do it without quoting the entire thing back to us all?
it's bad enough having to scroll through it once, but.....

feeling slightly crabby,
ann

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subject:      setlist for rutgers 4/95

does anyone have a setlist for the 4/95 rutgers university show?
if you do and care to share, please email me privately.

pretty please with halloween candy on top...

thanks,
bon

bonster@u.washington.edu

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subject:      mailing list

how do i join the mailing list?

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subject:      (sort of) ig dream

ola,

i had a dream last week which i didn't bother posting because i didn't think
it was that significant but i haven't posted in awhile and i didn't want
anyone to think i was being antisocial ;)

well, i was hanging out with ellen degeneres for some reason.  we were
shopping in a store that was sort of a cross between a new age shop and
spencer gifts- lots of weird chochkas and crystals and things- so we're
looking around and she picks up a book and opens it and it was all photos of
a&e.  she didn't know who they were so i was explaining it to her and telling
her how she's gotta run out right now and buy all of their albums.  that was
it, kind of a lame dream but i was wondering what the significance could
be....

go yankees!!

-sheri :)
who last friday had the opportunity to convert one of her long-time friends
to the ig by playing them for her in my car, and she didn't like it- ugh!  it
was so frustrating i just wanted to shake her and say 'what's wrong with you,
girl?!!!!  but i restrained myself because i remembered that she likes the
macarena ;)

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subject:      re: you know you're an obsessed ig fan when...

in a message dated 96-10-16 00:15:36 edt, edwina@jax-inter.net (jendy)
writes:

> ...you're sitting in mass falling asleep listening to father mccarthy's
>  boring as hell sermon, and when he says "calvary," you suddenly perk up
>  because you automatically think of "strange fire" and start singing the
>  entire song in your head. and after that, even though you've been through
12
>  years of catholic school and know you _should_ feel guilty, you don't
>  because it's ig dammit!!!!
>

yes, yes, yes... well, not the sitting in mass part, but sometimes i find
myself humming or singing to myself the same tune over and over again until i
realize that it's some ig song and that somebody said or i read one word
which triggered it.  like this morning i was shutting down my computer before
i left for school and i realized that i was humming fugitive- i looked around
and noticed that there was a scrap of paper lying next to my computer where i
had scribbled down the moonbase web page address (i very much enjoyed it,
btw) and it had the words 'fortunate ones' in it.  i hadn't even realized
that i saw it sitting there, but must have glanced at it for a split second
and the message was subliminally implanted into my brain... oh, the power of
the mind....

i do think that greg's alphabits post is the winner of the 'obsessed fan
contest'.  i nearly fell off my chair laughing when i read that.  it reminds
me of how i used to talk to my flintstones vitamins when i was a kid,
deciding which one to eat.  but you see, greg, that was when i was a *kid* ;)

ta ta everybody,
-sheri :)

\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\

  _       _ ------ _               o      |....when you learn
{  ~\_/         o   \    o  o           |to love yourself
{  ~ _   ]          <  o                 |you will dissolve
{_~/  \ _        _ /                    | all the stones
             v-----                        | that are cast....
   seaphish@aol.com                -amy ray
/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/

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in a message dated 96-10-12 22:03:11 edt, jchall@earthlink.net (chuck & jen
hall) writes:

<< you know you're an obsessed indigo girls fan when.. >>

you hear a few songs on the radio, one of them an ig song, and you wait in
your car even though you're already at your destination, until the dj
completes the run of songs and announces titles and artists-just to hear them
say indigo girls on the air.
you never know if they're gonne say something else that might be of interest,
or something inaccurate, in which case they'd have to be corrected and
punished severely.

peace,
rena

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from:         kirsten chevalier <kirsten@spike.wellesley.edu>
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there is an elaborate ritual involving grape nuts, tan m & ms, hot caramel,
and major bodily orifices ;-)
kirsten

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subject:      attention: emily's solo tape...marianne's dilema???
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greetings all,

i have found marianne's posts concerning
emily's solo tape a bit curious.  especially
since she does not seem inclined to respond
to anyones email about possibly sharing it with
the list.

at least a dozen people have emailed me asking
if i had heard back from her after my previous post,
which i have not.  i can't help but wonder if this is
because she feels she is in posession of a tape
many have not heard and would like to share?

marianne first mentioned this tape when she received it
a while back.  and she did indeed inquire as to it's origins.
at the time she said she was busy and could not make copies.
even back then i offered to do a "tape tree" so this important
early indigo find could be shared by the list.  at the time all
emails again were also ignored.

for some reason i seem to get the feeling that she is
showing off.  she brings the tape up and acknowledges
it's exsistence, song titles, credits and all.  and then
proceeds to ask us what we know about it.  well, we know
you have it and we don't, that seems to be the general consensus.

am i the only one who seems to think this is all a bit odd?

***

then, we get these posts...


>date:    wed, 2 oct 1996 16:47:19 -0500
>from:    the searcher <kidfears@flinthills.com>
>subject: re: emily's solo tape
>
>ah ha!
>so i am not the only person who has heard of this tape.  does anyone have
>any info about this beast (i asked this question twice in the past year and
>no one knew a thing about it!!!)
>
>marianne

***

>date:    mon, 7 oct 1996 21:43:15 -0500
>from:    the searcher <kidfears@flinthills.com>
>subject: re: solo emily recordings
>
>it definitely exists
>
>it is a solo tape by emily titled : here for you, recorded
>supposedly in 1983 (with extra guitar work by jonathan harder),
>and contains:
>
>maybe it's the vision
>i know that i love you
>no trespassing
>i hope i'm here for you
>when your heart needs a home
>gray new orleans afternoon
>no one ever told me
>half moon cafe
>untitled
>white flag
>play it again sam
>better life
>
>what i am looking for is information about this tape..... who wrote the
>songs (emily, i presume), where it was recorded (some studio -- i know),
>etc...
>
>if you know anything about the origin of this tape, please email me.....
>
>marianne

***

so, marianne, what's the deal with this?  i know there are many eager
volunteers here willing to do a "tape tree".  and even you have to admit
this tape is a necessary counterpart to amy's "color me gray".  why do
you seem to be holding out on the list?

i am still going to ask emily about the tape when i see her tomorrow just
to get her reaction to this whole thing.  who knows, maybe she'll offer a
copy up to the list just for posterity sake.

thanks for letting me ramble...michael  :-)

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reply-to:     mark allen hershner <s1006022@cedarnet.cedarville.edu>
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from:         mark allen hershner <s1006022@cedarnet.cedarville.edu>
subject:      nigc: m.malone in atlanta last summer

this is my first post so please don't flame me too bad.
i worked in atlanta this summer for the olympics.  m.malone played at
a place called the french quarter (which is a great place to eat)
every wednesday for three weeks during june or july.  i was working
during all three performances.  my question to ya'll (i picked that
up in atlanta) is did any of you see her and do you know if a&e made
an appearance.  also, did any of you get to see the ig at the thing
at ansley park (i was working then as well)?  you can e-mail me if
you don't want to post.  my address is "s1006022@cedarville.edu"
thanks for reading and for anyone that cares, my fav ig song is romeo
and juliet.                                a true fan, mark

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subject:      re: mariannes delima

i'd like to respond to michaels delima over mariannes inquiry
about the "emily" tape. i think the fact that she doesn't want to make
copies for whatever reason is her business-not ours.  she has said,
to numerous people, that she is keeping hold of it due to the fact she
was told emily doesn't want it released to the entire indigo world.
i think that's kind of admirable personally.

in the past, works such as color me grey, and tuesdays child were
personally handed to someone who was given permission to distribute.
tacking this on as a "compliment piece" and trying to make marianne
feel guilty for respecting the privacy of someone she admires, really-really
sucks.  by freely giving this out, what makes that act any better than the
person who broke into mrs. saliers house to collect souvenirs of emilys life.

  i'm sure the generous offers for starting a tape tree have been
considered, but it still stands that its mariannes decision about
releasing it.  i hardly think she's showing off.  if anybody is showing off
its "i'll ask her tomorrow night"  yeah.. hello..  if you're so concerned
about this "early indigo find", how about asking emily for a copy yourself-
tomorrow night when you see her.

just because his mommy told him its nice to share doesn't mean that
life always works that way.   so get your undies out of a wad and
get over it.

trink


"i used to lie like that alone out on the driveway...."
    what a tragedy that might have been.  =)

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subject:      re: attention: emily's solo tape...marianne's dilema???

i saw that recording once...it was behind a tree.....
....on the grassy knoll......

(name withheld) (trust no one)

;)

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reply-to:     deb odonoghue <doobie@student.umass.edu>
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subject:      re: you know your an obsessed ig fan when....

howdy to all in indigo land!


you know you are an obsessed ig fan when....


......you drive 22 hours non-stop from massachusetts to atlanta for
the atlanta pride celebration just to see ig play for 1/2 hour.....


.....spend 2 hours in rdr, videotaping the walls full of indigo girls
photos that are in a collage around the store.....


.....get to the gates at nff at 4am, cause getting there at 5am the
year didn't make you feel as dedicated as the 5 people in front of you.....


......write your final paper in your graduate level english class (queer
cultures), on your interpretations of indigo girls songs and their
posssible references to being gay, sturggling with sexuality, being
in the closet and coming out and it's ramifications/advantages as
a musician/media image.....


-deb

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date:         wed, 16 oct 1996 23:31:44 -0500
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subject:      sc-nigc

hi everyone,
i just wanted to ask about shawn colvin.  i just bought fat city
(because of the continual posts about her greatness and my curiosity got
the best of me).  i was wondering if any of her other albums are as good
or better than this one.  hoping to hear from someone.
ryan

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reply-to:     oh susanna <oh.susanna@dartmouth.edu>
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from:         "susan b. marine" <susan.b.marine@dartmouth.edu>
subject:      good god people!!!! (nigc)

the only thing worse than those stupid f***ing get-rich-quick-over-the-internet
scehmes is....

people who insist on bringing them,
and their illegality up over and over again . its over friends!!!! please stop
re- posting the stupid thing to the list with a "this is illegal! don't do it"
comment!!!we know it is...we know it is....we get it.... okay?

grrrrrr

susan

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reply-to:     "kim: goddess in her own reality" <rcn@prcn.org>
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subject:      re: you know your an obsessed ig fan when....

>you know you are an obsessed ig fan when....
>
you rejoin the indigo girls list after making a complete ass of yourself,
just cause you're hungry for any little tid-bit of ig news and or gossip. (
and you just plain missed the listers...) :)
peace all... kim... who promises not to post "me too" garbage.
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
      <just kim>rcn@prcn.org
"isn't it a shame about men? they have a
penis and a brain, but only enough blood to
operate one at a time."
---------------robin williams---------------
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>

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subject:      does an ig doing covers only boot exist?

i read something posted on the list that sparked my interest.  is there a
boot tape of nothing but the ig doing other songs besides their own?  if so,
who has it or them that would be interested in helping me obtain them?

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subject:      make it easier

my favorites often change.  as of today, this is my favorite emily song.
does anybody else throw all caution to the wind and dance like a crazy
person around the house to this one?  it not only has such jump-ability, it
also rings true for me.

amy

"please, god or someone, make it e - e -easier!"
                                                    e.s.

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subject:      take action-send this to aaron degler's postmaster@lannert.com

a user of your service, "degler@lannert.com" has posted this now twice to our
list.  it is not only a waste of our time, but also bandwidth.  i personally
do not know the laws regarding this flagrant obnoxiousness, but i liken it to
solicitation at a private party.  he is not a member of our list, has shown
no interest in our shared topic of interest, and is simply barging right into
our individual mail boxes via the list.

please do not allow him to tarnish your companies reputation by doing this
any longer.  if he's posted to our list, he's posted to many more.

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subject:      re: attention: emily's solo tape...marianne's dilema???
x-to:         mrbcom@aol.com

at 12:45 pm 10/16/96 -0400, you wrote:
>greetings all,
>
>i have found marianne's posts concerning
>emily's solo tape a bit curious.  especially
>since she does not seem inclined to respond
>to anyones email about possibly sharing it with
>the list.
after i initially (aboiut a yr ago) posted about having the tape, i heard
'through the grapevine' that emily does not want the tape circulated.
as i have replied in many email msgs....  this is my hesitation in
circulating it.   and until i hear otherwise, i am going to respect that.

btw, when i see that aol page with all the bootlegs for sale.... i am
pretty certain that i am currently not wrong in holding back on it.

if you have any questions about this matter, contact me

marianne

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subject:      re: [gd] easy money!! it's true! just read this!
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              greenday@puck.nether.net, sci-fi-fantasy@listserv.prodigy.com,
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contrary to what it says, this is illegal.  it's a pretty old system
called the pyramid scheme.  you're basically making money through
borrowed money.  this scheme is usually used within a small group of
people, smaller groups means you have to invest larger amounts.  it's an
endless loop where the bottom keeps going and going, in the end it'll
eventually crash, or the police bust the ring and the people involved are
usually prosecuted.  $5 dollars is a minimal investment, but it is a
whole lot better to start at the beginning of these pyramids.  you will
make a lot less than $50,000, i'll guarantee that.  after awhile your
name will appear as one of the five names you send a dollar to, the money
you make depnds on how well circulated your name gets.  the fall back is,
it's really easy to get caught doing this.
        -steve
my advice is to start early and get out as fast as you can!

on wed, 16 oct 1996, aaron degler wrote:

> i'm not joking this is a great opportunity
> but, don't take my word for it just try it.  it only takes
> a few minutes.
>
>   i saw an article in an internet newsgroup telling me i could make
> $50,000 within a month for an investment of only $5.
>
>  i thought it  was a huge joke. i spoke  to my other college friends,
> and
> they all agreed it  was some kind of scam. i  can't stand scams, because
> usually someone gets burned, and i didn't want it to be me. of course, i
> rejected the idea at  first. after a short period of  about two weeks,
> i
> thought  : "i have already  heard of such things.  but on the internet
> ?!?!? ". i decided  that even if i had to throw $5 into the fire, i
> wouldn't  mind it that much, and gave it a try.  after all i needed a
> lot
> more than five dollars.
>
>
>   one week later,  i began receiving money  -- every day!  i could not
> believe it! soon, hundreds,  and then thousands of dollars began to
> roll
> in. within 6 weeks, i  had received a total of $47,326!  it came from
> everywhere in  the world. my bank account has changed its "-"  into a
> big
> "+" (++++)!!!
>
>
>   if you follow the three steps  below, there is no reason why the  same
> shouldn't  happen  to you!  this  is a  legitimate investment
> opportunity. you  invest $5,  and you  receive a return on  your
> investment. so  does the next  investor. not illegal, not a chain
> letter-
> perfectly legitimate.
>
>   if  you  are not  interested,  then  don't participate,  but please
> print this article and pass  it on to someone who may be interested, so
> they can take advantage.
>
>   the  procedure is  simple:  1)  write your name and address, an
> e-mail
> address,  and the name of the newsgroup where you learned of this on 5
> sheets of paper.  below that, write the words, "please add me to  your
> list." fold  $1 note  or bank draft or money order  in each  piece of
> paper and  send them to the following 5 addresses.:
>
>
> 1. beyond technology
>     5641 apgar street
>     houston, texas 77032  usa
> 2. daniel dekonty
>     lee college #88
>     1120 n. ocoee street
>     cleveland,  tn  37320  usa
> 3. don noel
>     222 ne dogwood st #c103
>     issaquah, wa 98027 usa
> 4. eric horn
>     240 robert court #203
>     glendale hieghts, illinois 60139
> 5. aaron degler
>     921 fargo blvd
>     geneva, illinoi 60134
>
>
>    2) now remove the top name from the list, and move the other four
> names
> up. in other words,  #5 becomes #4 and so on. put your name as the
> fifth
> one on the list.   use a simple text editor such as  notepad,  in your
> "accessories" window (if you have  ms-windows),or dos  editor.   in
> fact,
> any editor will do.
>
>    3) post  the article to at  least 200 newsgroups.  there are17,000,
> so
> it shouldn't  be hard  to find  that many.   try posting to as  many
> newsgroups as you can,   and the bigger the newsgroup is,  the more
> people are to see your message!
>
>    you  are now  in  the an order services business, and should start
> seeing returns within a week or two.   of course,  the more newsgroups
> you
> post to, the greater your return is.  if you  wish to remain anonymous,
> you may use a psuedonym, call yourself  "the manager", "the boss",
> whatever but make sure your address is correct.
>
>    now, here is why the system works:
>
>    -of every  200 posts  i made, i  received 5  responses. yes,  only 5.
> you make $5 for every 200 posts with your name at #5.
>
>    -each person who  sent you $1 now also  makes 200 additional postings
> with your name at #4. ie. 1000 postings. on average therefore, 50 people
> will send you  $1 with your name at #4.  $50.
>
>    -your 50 new agents make 200 postings each with your name at #3 or
> 10,000 postings.  average return  500 people  = $500.  they make  200
> postings  each with  your name  at #2=100,000 postings=5000 return at $1
> each=$5000.
>
>    -finally, 5,000 people  make 200 postings with  your name at #1 and
> you get a return  of $50,000 before your  name drops off the list. and
> thats if  everyone down the line makes 200 postings! total income in one
> cycle=$55,000.
>
>   from time to  time, when you see your name  no longer on the list,
> you
> take the  latest  posting  that appears  in  the newsgroups, and  send
> out
> another $5,  and put your  name at #5, and start posting again.
> remember,
> 200 postings is only a guideline. the more you post, the greater the
> return.
>
>    lets review  why  you should do this.  the only cost is  $5.  anyone
> can afford $5  for such an effortless investment with such spectacular
> returns.
>
>    some people have said to me,  "what happens if the scheme is played
> out
> and no one sends me any money?  "big deal, so you lose $5-but what are
> the
> chances of that happening ?? do you realize that  nobody cares for  the
> legal chance  of winning such  a big  money as  50,000.00  $$$$ ????
> and
> all for  a microscopic investment of five  separate dollars? just think
> of
> all  of the new  internet users that  join the  net every day!!!
>
>    there are  millions of internet  users, and millions  of new net
> surfers every  month !!!  this is the  great plus of the internet,
> people
> all over the world can hear you and listen carefully if you  talk
> reasonably.  everyone  will take that chance !  i agree,  if  it wasn't
> the  internet,  and  was a small circle  of people,  the chance
> wouldn't
> have  been so small.  the amount of money had to be 200 times bigger,
> and
> the chances were zero.  it wouldn't succeed.
>
>    but here, on the internet, it is a giant village,  where new
> thousands
> of members join in every day ! you can't lose !!!!
>
>    remember- read the instructions  carefully, and play fairly.  that's
> the  only way this will  work. get a printout  so you can refer back to
> this article easily.
>
>    try to  keep a  list of  everyone that  sends you  money and always
> keep an eye on the  postings to make sure everyone is playing fairly.
> you
> know where your name should be.
>
>    remember-honesty is  the best  policy.  you  do not  need to cheat
> this  idea to  make money!!   besides,not  playing the game  fairly  is
> illegal.so  let's  be  reasonable and  play fairly,so we can all enjoy
> the
> internet gold mine.
>
> good luck  for you all, and  remember, play fair  and you'll win,  i
> don't
> want to mention what might happen to those who won't.   and  again,see
> you next  time  with something  you wanted for a long time !!!
>
>
>
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date:         wed, 16 oct 1996 13:34:45 -0400
reply-to:     deborah gordon <dgord02@emory.edu>
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i think i have a winner!!!!
what do ya'll think.

you know your obsessed when you move to atlanta and get a job at emory.

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date:         thu, 17 oct 1996 02:22:02 -0500
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subject:      hte broadcast tonight.

****************************************
hey everybody!

just a little reminder about our 2nd honor the earth live internet
broadcast thursday night.

what:  honor the earth benefit concert
when:  thursday, october 17th, 7 p.m. pdt
where: live from the shangri-la studios in malibu, california
who:   indigo girls, toad the wet sprocket, john trudell,
       sherman alexie, poetic justice and other very special guests.
how:   in coordination with and with special thanks to audionet

we hope you can tune in, and join us in the festivities.

for more information about how to download the software, have a look at
http://monsterbit.com/ or http://honorearth.com/.

to tune into the show please point your realaudio 2.0 browser to
http://www.audionet.com/concerts/honortheearth.

hope to see you there!

mellie price
monsterbit media, inc.

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reply-to:     verdi@imap2.asu.edu
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subject:      owed boots

sorry to take up space but this had to be done.

harry and amy jo i have your addresses and will be sending your boots out
tomorrow. who else do i owe boots to. i know i owe at least one more
person a couple. if so, write me back with your address and what i owe you.

ben

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from:         abigail <abaroo@execpc.com>
subject:      re: you know you're obsessed when...

at 04:02 am 10/16/96 -0400, you wrote:
>in a message dated 96-10-16 03:04:29 edt, mmgst11+@pitt.edu (sweet pea)
>writes:
>
>>... you sit in class and abbreviate lines in songs by just their first
>>letter (such as: "iteaetmutods" for "is there ever anything else that
>>makes us take our different sides") to quiz your girlfriend on to see
>>if she can figure out the line...
>>and then you quiz yourself, after a week or so...
>>

"ig win loose or draw" is another fun one to play in class. try drawing
illustrations of song titles for fellow ig obsessed classmates to guess.
it's a good way to stay amused and an outlet for creativity (sure, three
hits is an easy one to do, but try drawing secure yourself!)

~abigail


"i will not be....

a pawn" ~emily saliers

afraid of women" ~dar williams

complacent!!!" ~amy ray

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date:         wed, 16 oct 1996 17:06:57 -0500
reply-to:     anne haines <ahaines@indiana.edu>
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from:         anne haines <ahaines@indiana.edu>
subject:      you know you're obsessed when...

i wouldn't say i'm particularly obsessed, but a few years back i had to
have my gall bladder removed, and the minute the doctor said "well, it's
your gall bladder" guess what line started running through my head... and
wouldn't stop for weeks afterwards...

"if you think you know the answer, you've got a lot of gall!"  :)

cheers,
anne in indiana

p.s. run out and get the new cd by lucy kaplansky, "flesh and bone."
especially if you like shawn colvin-type music. dang thing won't leave my
cd player...


"gonna sting you with a kiss from my lips/ gonna sting you with a piece
of my mind/ gonna sting you with a taste of my skin/ then you're mine,
then you're mine"                          --lucy kaplansky, "scorpion"
                 http://ezinfo.ucs.indiana.edu/~ahaines

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date:         thu, 17 oct 1996 03:53:25 -0700
reply-to:     mbunch@ix17.ix.netcom.com
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from:         mbunch@ix17.ix.netcom.com
subject:      re: mariannes delima
x-to:         trinket@flinthills.com

at 10:45 pm 10/16/96 -0500, someone wrote:

>i'd like to respond to michaels delima over mariannes inquiry
>about the "emily" tape. i think the fact that she doesn't want to make
>copies for whatever reason is her business-not ours.

true, but the fact that this "dilema" is posted to the entire list
sort of makes it our business now doesn't it.  especially when we're
asked to help her find it's origins.


>she has said, to numerous people, that she is keeping hold of it
>due to the fact she was told emily doesn't want it released to the
>entire indigo world.  i think that's kind of admirable personally.

she finally explained that after my post to the list which i made because
a dozen or so people weren't among the "numerous people" to whom she made
her very logical explanation to.


>in the past, works such as color me grey, and tuesdays child were
>personally handed to someone who was given permission to distribute.

i wouldn't go that far, color me grey was amys demo and she at the time
gave it out to anyone who asked.  tuesday's children was the demo tape
they gave out to clubs to get local gigs.


> tacking this on as a "compliment piece" and trying to make marianne
>feel guilty for respecting the privacy of someone she admires, really-really
>sucks.

oh please spare me the self-righteous indignation.  marianne never made any
specifics regarding the tape or its origin.  it was first done as a "look
what i got" kind of thing and then we were asked to help her find out info
for it, she turned it, perhaps unwittingly, into a list project.  the whole
process generated the expected excitement towards the tape.


>by freely giving this out, what makes that act any better than the
>person who broke into mrs. saliers house to collect souvenirs of
>emilys life.

uumm....how old are you?  comparing breaking and entering to the
value of a demo tape is pretty pathetic.  unless, of course, this
tape was stolen from emily's house.  i certainly hope you are not
admitting anything here  :-)


>i'm sure the generous offers for starting a tape tree have been
>considered, but it still stands that its mariannes decision about
>releasing it.

right again.  and she clearly stated she wanted to find out emilys'
feelings about it which i totally agree with and respect.  it just
would have been nice if she told the list as well rather than ignoring
those various email inquirys.


>i hardly think she's showing off.  if anybody is showing off
>its "i'll ask her tomorrow night"  yeah.. hello..  if you're
>so concerned about this "early indigo find", how about asking
>emily for a copy yourself-tomorrow night when you see her.

hmm...i'm really trying to decide if i should use "who-who"
or "cissy" to describe what i'd like to call you right now.
actually, i think whoopie's word would fit much better so just
fill in the blank.

my "showing off" as you put it was simply my extension to marianne
to finally ask the origin of the tape and hopefully get the "tape
tree" rolling.  in the 9 plus years i've know amy and emily i've never
asked them for anything and i don't intend to start now.

since i was invited to the "honor" benefit i thought i would extend
that courtesy to marianne since she can't be there.  i don't feel that
stating a simple fact of my whereabouts tonight is showing off.

besides, there are a number of people on this list who know me and know
my connections.  they will attest to the fact that name droppping or personal
public gossip is just not my style.  you obviously are not one of them.

michael  :-)

>just because his mommy told him its nice to share doesn't mean that
>life always works that way.   so get your undies out of a wad and
>get over it.
>
>trink
>
>
>
>
>"i used to lie like that alone out on the driveway...."
>    what a tragedy that might have been.  =)
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date:         thu, 17 oct 1996 11:51:33 +0200
reply-to:     christel van der boom <christel@dlv.nl>
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from:         christel van der boom <christel@dlv.nl>
subject:      k's choice and ig
x-to:         christel cogneau <101352.3646@compuserve.com>

hi christel

i saw your posting on the list (weet je nog wie ik ben? ik heb ook een co=
mpuserve account ;-)) every now and then i still lurk...
to answer your question about the relationship between ig and k's choice,=
i'll tell you what i know.

sarah, the singer of k's choice, is an ig fan herself. k'c has been the s=
upporting act for ig in both europe and the us (that's how i found out ab=
out them). i think it was in 1995 when the toured with the girls. and yes=
, you can hear that the music from ig has an influence on sarah.

after they had been touring together for a while a and e would come on st=
age with k'c to play the last song with them: 'rockin' in a free world' b=
y neil young. this song is on one of the ig singles (ithink it was least =
complicated).

the last i have heard is that their latest cd called 'paradise in me' has=
recently come out in the us. (i think everyone should get it!) and there=
is a romour that they will tour the us as a supporting act for alanis mo=
rissette.

take care

christel (104706,2666)

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date:         thu, 17 oct 1996 09:56:17 -0400
reply-to:     mark anthony donajkowski <madonajk@alpha.delta.edu>
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from:         mark anthony donajkowski <madonajk@alpha.delta.edu>
subject:      re: attention: emily's solo tape...marianne's dilema???
x-to:         the searcher <kidfears@flinthills.com>
in-reply-to:  <3.0b36.32.19961016113943.006bb860@pop.flinthills.com>

>
> btw, when i see that aol page with all the bootlegs for sale.... i am
> pretty certain that i am currently not wrong in holding back on it.
>
> if you have any questions about this matter, contact me
>
> marianne
>
gee not wrong in holding it back hmm guess that means you wanna sell it
huh guess you didnt pay attention to what we told the aol person huh

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date:         thu, 17 oct 1996 09:53:43 -0500
reply-to:     twb@zycor.lgc.com
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subject:      re: attention: emily's solo tape...marianne's dilema???

> from owner-indigo-girls@netspace.org wed oct 16 23:30 cdt 1996
> date:         thu, 17 oct 1996 00:26:29 -0400
> reply-to: mmedido@aol.com
>
> i saw that recording once...it was behind a tree.....
> ....on the grassy knoll......
>
>
>
> (name withheld) (trust no one)
>

no it wasn't, it was in the book aaa..., the book aaa..., the aaa book aaa...
'pository thingy, aaa..

tnart

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date:         thu, 17 oct 1996 10:53:51 -0400
reply-to:     jcantelo@vmsvax.simmons.edu
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from:         "jessica d. cantelo" <jcantelo@vmsvax.simmons.edu>
subject:      new album/tour?????

hi!

i'm new to the list and would like to know more about the upcoming
album/tour.  i have been a fan for only about a year and have never seen
a concert :-{.  so...if anyone has any info i'd be glad to know.  thank you!

~jess

jcantelo@vmsvax.simmons.edu

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date:         thu, 17 oct 1996 10:59:55 -0400
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from:         kristina cizas <kcizas@cgrg.ohio-state.edu>
subject:      re: attention: emily's solo tape...marianne's dilema???
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on thu, 17 oct 1996, mark anthony donajkowski wrote:

> gee not wrong in holding it back hmm guess that means you wanna sell it
> huh guess you didnt pay attention to what we told the aol person huh

oh clueless one... i believe she means it's best to hold it back so that
the person selling the tapes doesn't get it in a trade from someone on
the list - there's a good chance that "karen" is a list member who takes
tapes she gets in trade and then turns around and sells them. that's
part of what makes the whole thing so awful... by violating what used to
be list consensus that trading audience tapes is okay if nobody makes
money off of the deal, it makes people leery of sharing anything.

kristina

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kcizas@cgrg.ohio-state.edu                life happens at the level of events
                                          not of words. trust movement."
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or participate in a system that
allows people to be icky
to each other." -ani difranco
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reply-to:     "joan m. cyr" <jcyr@mit.edu>
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from:         "joan m. cyr" <jcyr@mit.edu>
subject:      looking for a boot...definately igc

good morning everyone!

does anyone have newport folk festival 1995 (that's 1995, not 1996!)?  i've
nothing to trade but will send sase and tape....

thanks y'all!

joni  :>}

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subject:      hte broadcast tonite...can someone tape it for me please?

hey all in ig land!

i have a favor to ask of anyone taping the hte benefit tonight, could some
kind soul perhaps dub a copy for me and i can make a trade for something
i have please?  i have quite a few boots, old and very recent, and would
love to add to my collection.  if anyone wants to help me out, please
email me.  thanks a lot.

take care and peace!

-deb

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date:         thu, 17 oct 1996 11:25:43 -0400
reply-to:     weenracer@aol.com
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from:         weenracer@aol.com
subject:      re: marianne's dilemma (look ma, i can spell!)

okay, so what makes marianne so special that she can possess a copy and no
one else can, trink?  is she a close personal friend of emily's?...  yeah,
that's what it is, and she wants to know more about the tape, since emily
gave it to her in such a rush, and ya know em's probably really hard to get a
hold of cuz she's on the road so much, and so she thought she'd just ask us
little unimportant people on the list, even though she knows that none of us
would be holy enough to be a keeper of the lost tape...


please!

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date:         thu, 17 oct 1996 12:33:44 -0500
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subject:      k's choice and ani d (nigc)

k's choice:  i saw them when they opened for alanis morisette. i liked them
and thought they had a different style which i really dig in bands.  i
wished they would have played more and alanis less.  the lead singer has a
wonderful voice, ahhh!

ani was in cincinnati last night.  i have to thank all you who bragged about
her.  i bought the tickets based on one cd: not so soft.  turns out those
others cd's are going to be in my collection shortly.  i was not
disappointed.  it was great.  sara lee is one of the coolest bassists
around. so  do not miss the opportunity to see these guys!!!!!!

paula

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subject:      break in

the
>person who broke into mrs. saliers house to collect souvenirs of emilys life.


does anyone know anything about this?  ie:  how the perpetrator was revealed
to be a list member, how they were caught, how their motive was discovered, etc.

i find it incredulous that anyone who loves ig would invade their privacy in
this manner.

just curious,
-martha

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hey!

we saw this on the newsgroup and thought maybe someone on the list in la =
could tape it. the sound quality should far surpass that of a boot from =
the event or the realaudio broadcast. wow! if you do tape it, could you =
please include sherman alexie's performance? we'd love to have the whole =
benefit, but ig and sherman alexie are the favorites. thanks in advance =
to any kind los angelino. :)

peace,
susan and jocelyn

" me and jesus, we're of the same heart. the only thing that
keeps us distant is that i keep fucking up." - amy ray

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subject: indigo girls live broadcast
date: thu, 17 oct 1996 17:40:35 gmt
from: alisont@netcom.com (a. taub)
newsgroups: alt.music.indigo-girls

i thought some of you might be interested and not already know this.
the honor the earth cd release party/concert is tonight at shangri-la
studios (private) in malibu somewhere, featuring the indigo girls along
with various other artists.=20
los angeles radio station 101.9 will be broadcasting the concert live=20
from 7p.m. =20

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subject:      na nas in least complicated on so

hello!

right now i am listening to so for probably the first time in 6+ months.
least complicated just came on and i noticed for the first time that
there are actually na nas in the recorded version of the song (1:35,
3:36).  (i had thought that this was just a concert thing.)  anyway, i
checked the liner notes to see who is doing the na naing since a&e are
singing then.  the only person other than them listed as singing on the
song is jerry, and the na nas are definitely feminine ones.  they sound
rather a&eish, actually.  do you all think that they were pre-recorded
and added in?  i didn't think that ig did that kind of thing--makes me
think of t'pau.

margaret

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from:         marianne barlow <mlb1@axe.humboldt.edu>
subject:      re: mailing list
x-to:         kirsten chevalier <kirsten@spike.wellesley.edu>
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> there is an elaborate ritual involving grape nuts, tan m & ms, hot caramel,
> and major bodily orifices ;-)
> kirsten


wait, when i joined, they said it was _blue_ m&m's and hot fudge!  have i
been scammed?

the lone coyote

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now who's showing off?
>
> __i am still going to ask emily about the tape when i see her tomorrow__

just jealous,
tlc
=)

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from:         pat chaney <pooh40@mc.net>
subject:      write to rosie

tell her we want the girls on her show..
address is www.rosieo.com/mail2.cgi

i told her to look forward to our mail!!!!

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subject:      thoughts on "shame on you"

i know the discussion ended a bit ago, but i had a brainstor.
there was a lot of debate about these lines pertaining to
a specific historical date:

we are looking for illegal immigrants
can we check your car
i said funny i think we were
the same boat back in 1694


i dont think i saw this mentioned a sa possibility, but it
occurred to me that she might mean that *we* are all the illegal
immigrants taking the land/space from the native peoples. 1694
was a conveneitnly rhyming year for thi verse, but that the point
is that presumably the cops wanting to search teh car were caucasion
and therefore not native to this land. this is my take on it,
anyway.
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pegasus@crl.com            \     /      when you're alone
monk@world.std.com          \   /
the original photo monk      \ /                --patty larkin

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subject:      wc boot

a big apology to everyone out there i am trading with or making copies of my
world cafe tape for. i have had a death in the family and have to go out of
town for the weekend, but i promise i'll get on top of the tapes and e-mail
all of you with my address when i get back. sorry i've been bad!

~abigail

"it's all right
   we're gonna be fine
     even if this world is taking so much time..." catie curtis


"i will not be....

a pawn" ~emily saliers

afraid of women" ~dar williams

complacent!!!" ~amy ray

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on thu, 17 oct 1996 mhom@uakron.edu wrote:

> does anyone know anything about this?  ie:  how the perpetrator was revealed
> to be a list member

        who said it was a list member? let's not start any nasty rumors.

                                                        tuesday's child

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subject:      you know when//l.a.//etc.

you know you're obsessed when..

*your friend asks you for a favor and, to persuade you, he says, "come on!
think of the appropriate indigo girls quote for the situation and let's
go!"

*your other friend is your co-host for the show you dj at the student
radio station and when you show up the first night with cds ranging from
all our atlanta favorites to the dead to joplin to 10,000 maniacs he says,
"oh, i thought it would just be i play a song, then you play indigo girls,
then i play a song, then you play another indigo girls..etc."

* you stop by the computer lab today, already pissed that you live in l.a.
but can't afford $250, $500, or $1000 to go to the benefit tonight which you
would gladly ditch your night class for, even though you have a test
tonight--and you read that the girls were signing cds at virgin megastore
an hour ago goddamn it i would have ditched shakespeare for that one does
advance publicity mean anything to anyone in this world and you groan loud
enough for the entire computer lab to hear, a pitiful, mournful groan from
the pit of your stomach, the pit of your life...

amy and emily are in my city. right at this moment. they were signing
cds. i am leaving now, to find them. wish me luck.

"i missed ten million miles of road i should have seen.." e.s.

inspired by gravity,
linda

        "between the christianity of this land, and the christianity
         of christ, i recognize the widest possible difference..."
                                        ---frederick douglass

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subject:      new hampshire boot

ok - for those about to drop thinking that this boot does not exist, think
again !!!!!!!!!!!!

i have in my hands - one of the finest boots i've heard in a while -
including the guy whom security was trying to remove - you all of a sudden
here "emily !!! emily !!!! emily !!!!!!! emily !!!!!!!!!!!! emily
!!!!!!!!!!!!!"  and em tells security to let him stay - it's as if your right
there !!!!!!!!

so - now for the hard part ... i cannot accept requests or questions for this
until monday or tuesday of next week  --- i was in a car accident the other
night - and have missed work, been fighting with the insurance company about
getting this thing going (fixin the z24 and getting me a rental mobile until
it's ready !!!) and going through all the bs .. so a "kind friend" is taking
me away for the weekend and i will not be accessable to my e-mail ...

please - i don't want to come home to 800 messages overflowing onto my floor
- it's bad enough having to wade through all the one-word answer nigc
everyday ...

i will send another message to the list monday night and start this dubbing
process sometime next week ....

getting over several aches and pains and a severly messed up car ....

chris (the guini meister)

ps - this boot blows my nyc show away by a mile ... yes, i'm insulting my own
boot :)

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subject:      boots  not much igc
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okay...
i finally got enough money to buy a bunch of blank tapes, and i know that
this is very bad of me to ask, but can someone tell me who and what and
when anyone is giving out any boots whatsoever.  could you please e-mail
me privately with addresses if you're willing to copy them for me.  thank
you so much.  wanting boots,
                jamie

                               jamie a suthard
                        <suthardj@ralph.southwestern.edu>

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reply-to:     "amy j. putnam" <pegasus@crl.com>
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subject:      re: marianne's dilemma (look ma, i can spell!)
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(unnecessary spelling dig aside..)

> okay, so what makes marianne so special that she can possess a copy and no
> one else can, trink?  is she a close personal friend of emily's?...  yeah,
> that's what it is, and she wants to know more about the tape, since emily
> gave it to her in such a rush, and ya know em's probably really hard to get a
> hold of cuz she's on the road so much, and so she thought she'd just ask us
> little unimportant people on the list, even though she knows that none of us
> would be holy enough to be a keeper of the lost tape...
>

maybe marianne's methodology in asking for details abotu the tape could be
a bit better, but that doesnt give the rest of us any right to whine
about it.  i'd be willing to bet that there are a number of people on
this list in possession of otehr "gems" as well, things that cant be
traded for one reason or another.  and i am sure many of us are very
curious to hear this tape of emily.  i count myself among them ,but
i also respect marianne's reluctnace to trade the tape, especially
in light of the recent post of the site selling tapes for $8.50.  we
ought to be grateful for the open spirit of trading that we have, and
not take that to mean we are owed copies of any other tape that exists.
what i think is more ridiculous is the "holier than thou" attitudes
of those who are demanding copies of this tape.

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amy p.                    \       /     who holds your hand
pegasus@crl.com            \     /      when you're alone
monk@world.std.com          \   /
the original photo monk      \ /                --patty larkin

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from:         "s. steffen" <ssteffen@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu>
subject:      rhetoric, jude is a goddess, and urban spacewoman
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hi ig-listers!
thanks to jude, many many many many many thanks, i am now the proud and
obsessed possessor of a bootleg i've wanted for years.

so in my classes that i'm teaching, the students are giving speeches this
week on an essay called "urban spaceman" by judith williamson, in which
she argues that walkmen (walkwomen) cut off their users from interaction
in the social arena.  my students strongly disagreed with this and have
been quite hostile to the essay, which depressed me for a while.  i have had
to rethink my analysis of personal stereos/headphones, however, in light
of the new boot.

to explain: as usual, i was wearing my walkwoman yesterday as i came down
the hill to my office hours.  it was a gorgeous day, the leaves are
beautiful this year in iowa city, and i was in a good mood anyway;
suddenly, though, on my headphones came "don't think twice, it's alright"
from the boot.  shivers ran up and down my spine and i got this beatific
grin on my face; i felt love and peace and energy flowing through the
entire world due to the voices of amy, emily, and joan in my ears.  all
of the other students walking by got this amazing, blissed-out smile from
me and i got these looks in return which confused me until i suddenly
realised, hey!  they aren't listening to the same thing i am!
i felt like a dork but i started laughing out loud, especially when baez
did a dead-on dylan impression for the last verse--
consequently, i got to tell both of my rhetoric classes this story today
which i think helped them realise that i don't necessarily agree with
everything an author says.  i surely was interacting with my environment
as i attempted to spread some joy--purely by accident, but still...

so that's the story, folks...hope you enjoyed it as much as i'm enjoying
my pretense that i can tell when _i_ am screaming on the boot.  :)  yeah,
i remember yelling there!  yeah, that must be me!  sure i sound different
from all of the other american women who were there that night!  ;)

once again, thanks jude!!!!  :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)

--suzi steffen
ssteffen@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu

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date:         thu, 17 oct 1996 20:41:45 gmt
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subject:      everything i ever needed to know...

a while back someone posted something about doing a project entitled
"everything i ever needed to know about life i learned from amy ray and
emily saliers."  the idea was to put together a bunch of ig quotes that
inspired us.  i was thinking about it and there are tons of them.  i think
that this would make a great idea for another list shirt or a poster.  i'm
not sure how to go about putting something like this together...the last
list shirts were great and i think this would make a cool idea as well.
anyone interested in lending some help or stearing me in the right direction
as to how to accomplish this please mail me.

how did you guys do it deb & rob???  (are ya out there??)

it'd be cool we could all contribute our favorite quote!!!

have an indigo day!!
rob

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subject:      cleveland boot

hey everybody!

to all of you who have sent tapes or are planning on sending tapes foe the
cleveland show i booted...two things:

1.  i'm working real hard to get those tapes out to everyone asap.  since i
got quite a few requests, it may take a little longer than i would like.
sorry about that!  your patience is appriciated!!!

2.  the other artist featured on the tape is not bruce cockburn, it is bruce
springsteen!  sorry i didn't specify.  those of you who asked for bruce
cockburn, e-mail me and let me know if you want bruce springsteen on the
tape or just ig.

i'm trying to get the tapes done as fast as they come in but my schedule
doesn't usually permit that.  you will get your tapes soon, have no fear!!

to those of you who received your tapes, what do ya think?  it's only my 2nd
time bootlegging a show and my equipment sucked; nevertheless i think it
sounds decent.  i think "ramblin' around" with ani is just wonderful!!

take care everyone and as always have an indigo day!!

rob  :)

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from:         abigail <abaroo@execpc.com>
subject:      you know yer obsessed when...

...you agree to watch only the atlanta games of the national league
playoffs, so you can scan the crowd for indigos! (i swear there was an
amy-lookalike sitting in a box behind home plate, that is unless it was her...)


~abigail

"i will not be....

a pawn" ~emily saliers

afraid of women" ~dar williams

complacent!!!" ~amy ray

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from:         sundara <smurphy@ups.edu>
subject:      re: you know your an obsessed ig fan when....

....you seriously contemplate making back-up copies of all your ig boots,
cause what if something happened and one of them got eaten or something????


peace, love, and purple,
the one and only...sundara

"we all die and we all spend money"

                        amy ray

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subject:      all i needed to know about life...

...i learned from amy ray and emily saliers, of course!

this was a thread i started back during the summer, and a few people responded.
the idea is to reflect upon one of your favorite ig quotes which holds some
wisdom about life, or a quote which relates to one of your life experiences.
as rob mentioned earlier, there are lots of them!

talk to us!  let us know what you learned from ar & es, and be sure to include
the quote!

i will be posting the list on my soon-to-be website, and who knows...there may
be even greater things to look forward to...

mary  :)

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date:         thu, 17 oct 1996 21:31:40 -0500
reply-to:     jen hall <jchall@earthlink.net>
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from:         jen hall <jchall@earthlink.net>
subject:      re: all i needed to know about life...

ok.  mine is "i missed ten million miles i should of seen".  this one is a
life experience.  well, also a screensaver, but that's another story...

hey, what's with that damn audio net show. it's 9:30 cdt, and it was
suppose to start at 7:00 pdt.   that's now!!!  but i still have that jerk
telling me to check the time of my concert!!  well i know what time it
is!!!!  it's time for the honor the earth concert dammit!!!

<achem>  sorry.  peace,
- jen hall

> ...i learned from amy ray and emily saliers, of course!
>
> this was a thread i started back during the summer, and a few people
responded.
> the idea is to reflect upon one of your favorite ig quotes which holds
some
> wisdom about life, or a quote which relates to one of your life
experiences.
> as rob mentioned earlier, there are lots of them!
>
> talk to us!  let us know what you learned from ar & es, and be sure to
include
> the quote!
>
> i will be posting the list on my soon-to-be website, and who
knows...there may
> be even greater things to look forward to...

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date:         thu, 17 oct 1996 22:38:37 edt
reply-to:     "christopher m. becker" <cmbecker@space.mit.edu>
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from:         "christopher m. becker" <cmbecker@space.mit.edu>
subject:      re: all i needed to know about life...
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in-reply-to:  <199610180232.taa29690@switzerland.it.earthlink.net>; from "jen
              hall" at oct 17, 96 9:31 pm

> hey, what's with that damn audio net show. it's 9:30 cdt, and it was
> suppose to start at 7:00 pdt.   that's now!!!  but i still have that jerk
> telling me to check the time of my concert!!  well i know what time it
> is!!!!  it's time for the honor the earth concert dammit!!!

clear your disk and memory cashes!

sometimes the link won't reload because the broswer thought it already
had it, but its the linek to the "come back later message", not the
show!

                                good luck,

                                   chris

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date:         thu, 17 oct 1996 22:16:37 -0400
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subject:      hte concert

i tried to listen to the hte concert online, but it gave me the message
that the program hadn't started yet...can anyone help me?  is it still on?
please e-mail me if you have any info...

thanks in advance...

andi

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date:         thu, 17 oct 1996 22:18:07 -0400
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subject:      re: na nas in least complicated on so
x-to:         margaret clayton <maclayto@mtholyoke.edu>
in-reply-to:  <pine.osf.3.91.961017152219.29891a-100000@mhc.mtholyoke.edu>

on the watershed video it shows emily and some guy (jerry marotta, i
guess) doing the na-na-ing...  fyi. =)
l, mandy

on thu, 17 oct 1996, margaret clayton wrote:

> hello!
>
> right now i am listening to so for probably the first time in 6+ months.
> least complicated just came on and i noticed for the first time that
> there are actually na nas in the recorded version of the song (1:35,
> 3:36).  (i had thought that this was just a concert thing.)  anyway, i
> checked the liner notes to see who is doing the na naing since a&e are
> singing then.  the only person other than them listed as singing on the
> song is jerry, and the na nas are definitely feminine ones.  they sound
> rather a&eish, actually.  do you all think that they were pre-recorded
> and added in?  i didn't think that ig did that kind of thing--makes me
> think of t'pau.
>
> margaret
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date:         thu, 17 oct 1996 18:58:31 -0500
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subject:      i met them...

well sort of...

i went to the in-store appearance at the virgin megastore in
burbank.  the appearance was to promote the new honor
cd & the concert later at the shangri-la studios here in town.


anyway, the appearance started late because amy and emily's
flight was delayed at lax.  when they did arrive, they were
all smiles.  amy was wearing a dark "support our troops"
t-shirt and dark wire framed glasses with round lenses
(similar to the ones john lennon wore) and emily was wearing
dark denim overalls and a green pullover shirt.(fashion
note: i see a lot of women wearing overalls in los angeles
all of a sudden)  a local dj who introduced them said they
preferred to sign copies of the new cd honor and it made me
nervous not to have one (being broke as usual), i felt
better when they signed the acoustic guitar of one of the
first people in line, but i was still tense...


when i was about 2 people away from amy and emily, this guy
walks up to me holding an honor cd and $10, asking me to
have his cd signed for someone named dona.  he said he
worked for the beverly hills police department and couldn't
wait.  i was dubious at first, but then i said sure, so he
gave me the cd but i refused to take his money.

finally, it was my turn.

emily was at amy's left at the autogrpah table, just like
she is on stage.  i gingerly handed them my rites of passage

tourbook and after a beat said my name.  i said that i had
been a fan since '89 and amy said "cool."  i also asked if
they remembered the aol interview they did last year.  when
amy said she did, i mentioned i was the one who asked if
they had ever been on-line.  they both smiled and i said i
used "subcity" as an on-line name based on the tracy chapman
song and emily said "great" enthusiastically.

i mentioned that i talked about them all the time on my
computer to which amy replied "do you say nice things?" i
said all the time and that i would give this appearance
a good review and they laughed briefly as i walked away.  i
handed that guy the cd they autograped to dona, he thanked
me and it felt as if i floated out of the store.

i'm still floating!!!!

i just wanted to thank everyone on-line that i've been able
to share ig stories with over the years.  i wouldn't have
known about this if wasn't for the internet.  i hope i've
given as well as i've received!!

"when i was young, my people taught me well
give back what you take or you'll go to hell."
                                            -amy ray

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date:         thu, 17 oct 1996 22:49:00 -0400
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subject:      tame yourself

hey y'all-
     i just got back from best buy and of course a search through the bargain
bins....i did find tame yourself and it was only 1.50.....the only problem is
that the cd is messed up and "i'll give you my skin" is distorted....i guess
i'll have to go back and get another copy if they have any left.  does anyone
know if best buy lets you return bargain bin items?
*lou*
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date:         thu, 17 oct 1996 22:51:01 -0400
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subject:      concert

is anyone actually getting the concert over the net?  i keep gettting a
message that the broadcast hasn't begun.  *sigh*  there _is_ a limit for
this ig fan...

margaret

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subject:      re: na nas in least complicated on so

hello,

i believe that is michael lorant happily singing na-nas with emily, if i =
am not mistaken.

btw, i took chris' advice and dumped my netscape cache and then tried =
the realaudio again and i am now listening to the hte broadcast. they =
are between bands right now, so it's playing cuts from the honor1 cds. =
:)

peace,

susan

" me and jesus, we're of the same heart. the only thing that
keeps us distant is that i keep fucking up." - amy ray

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date:         thu, 17 oct 1996 13:47:00 -0400
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subject:      igs at the virgin mega store today

hey if no one else has posted this i just heard on ksca that amy and emily
will be signing the honor the earth cd at the virgina mega store in burbank
today between 1 and 3.  call and check it out.

michelle

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subject:      re: you know yer obsessed when...

in a message dated 96-10-17 23:02:50 edt, abigail writes:

<< amy-lookalike sitting in a box behind home plate, that is unless it was
her...)
  >>

somehow...i doubt that miss r would go to a braves game, unless they
changed their name ( i wonder how e feels about the team now...
i understand she is quite the baseball fan.)

binky

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date:         thu, 17 oct 1996 23:25:50 -0400
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subject:      help?

to anyone getting the concert:

is there a direct address i can get to plug right into the realaudio
player?  the netscape address says that it's too busy to let anyone else
on to it, and i wanna hear this thing....  is there any hope?


thanks,
renee

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subject:      hte concert

i also have attempted to catch the concert online tonight with no
luck.  it's the first time i've tried this so don't know if i've
done any of it right.  same result as other listers:  program not
yet started.  beats me.  words fail to express my frustration with
this situation.

melinda brooks

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date:         thu, 17 oct 1996 22:36:13 -0500
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subject:      real audio, all i needed to know about life, and stuff...

at 10:03 pm 10/17/96 -0500, susan tomlinson wrote:

>btw, i took chris' advice and dumped my netscape cache and then tried the >realaudio again and i am now listening to the hte broadcast. they are between >bands right now, so it's playing cuts from the honor1 cds. :)


arrrgghhh!!! note: never buy off-brand computer products. i have not had sound card drivers for a year(for '95) and now i finally regret getting this sound card. _i_ too could be listening to the ig live right now... :(


anyway...this "all i needed to know about life" thing: how deep are we getting into the story? i could fill volumes with the impacts of a few quotes, but i won't is a brief summary the way to go here? i've been lurked for a good part of a year now, and am trying to come out(so to speak) now. thanks for the bandwidth...


now...back to the last minute c++ program due tomorrow... 8^0

.eric


now playing:  <color><param>8080,0000,0000</param>ani difranco - not a
pretty girl

</color>     *****   <color><param>0000,8080,0000</param>must buy!!!
</color>*****


"we fight for freedom, which no <bold>good</bold> man would surrender,
but with his life."

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date:         thu, 17 oct 1996 14:50:18 -0400
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subject:      re: k's choice and ig
x-to:         christel van der boom <christel@dlv.nl>

at 11:51 am 10/17/96 +0200, you wrote:
>hi christel

>sarah, the singer of k's choice, is an ig fan herself. k'c has been the
supporting act for ig in both europe and the us (that's how i found out
about them). i think it was in 1995 when the toured with the girls. and yes,
you can hear that the music from ig has an influence on sarah.
>
>the last i have heard is that their latest cd called 'paradise in me' has
recently come out in the us. (i think everyone should get it!) and there is
a romour that they will tour the us as a supporting act for alanis morissette.

actually, k's choice is already opening for alanis....they came through
atlanta about a month ago as opening act for alanis. to my great delight
they did a short afternoon acoustic set at the coffeehouse my roommate works
at...just them on the patio doing about 6 songs for free...it was very
low-key and not really publicized so if the same tour comes through your
town call around and see if they're playing something similar. it was a
great environment in which to see them. :)

oh yeah, go braves!!!!!! :)


kat

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                 we still call it suicide?"
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                 without feeling you can't exist."
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date:         thu, 17 oct 1996 15:54:39 edt
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subject:      re: na nas in least complicated on so

on 10/17, margaret clayton <maclayto@mtholyoke.edu> wrote:

>least complicated just came on and i noticed for the first time that
>there are actually na nas in the recorded version of the song...i
>checked the liner notes to see who is doing the na naing since a&e are
>singing then.  the only person other than them listed as singing on the
>song is jerry, and the na nas are definitely feminine ones.  they sound
>rather a&eish, actually.  do you all think that they were pre-recorded
>and added in?  i didn't think that ig did that kind of thing--makes me
>think of t'pau."

i could be wrong, but in the watershed video, there appears to be a clip of
that recording session.  jerry and emily are doing the "na na's."  em's the
high na's, and jerry's the lower na's.

joni  :>}

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date:         thu, 17 oct 1996 14:54:16 -0500
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subject:      re: na nas in least complicated on so
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in-reply-to:  <pine.osf.3.91.961017152219.29891a-100000@mhc.mtholyoke.edu>

the na nas in least complicated are in the video watershed...emily and
jerry are seen recording the background part....which i assume were
mixed into the song.  i try not to assume anything...so if i'm wrong,
forgive me. :)

->amy

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date:         thu, 17 oct 1996 15:59:45 edt
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from:         "christopher m. becker" <cmbecker@space.mit.edu>
subject:      re: attention: emily's solo tape...marianne's dilema???
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              "mark anthony donajkowski" at oct 17, 96 9:56 am

> > btw, when i see that aol page with all the bootlegs for sale.... i am
> > pretty certain that i am currently not wrong in holding back on it.

> gee not wrong in holding it back hmm

that's what she said.

>  guess that means you wanna sell it, huh

that's a huge assumption and a rather cras, backhanded accusation.
insinuating that someone intends to commit a felony is not a friendly
thing.

> guess you didnt pay attention to what we told the aol person huh

that's irrelevant.  and probably a wrong guess.

look, no one is ever _required_ to make tapes for anyone, its all done
out of the goodness of ones heart.  as marianne has already made tapes
for me a few years back, i know where her heart lies.  marianne is
also one of the "first ones" (if you'll excuse the b5 reference) that
started this list oh so many years ago.  she is not selfish or a booot
hoarder.

marianne said, publically, that to her best knowledge emily does not
want this tape distributed.  until she hears otherwise she will err on
the side of caution.  she then went on to say that the aol situation
helped her to understand em's concern on this issue.

now what part of that is causing problems?  think about it.

                                -- chris

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date:         thu, 17 oct 1996 16:01:58 -0400
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subject:      re: na nas in least complicated

>
> actually, if you watch the "watershed" video, you see a clip of emily and
> ummm...micheal lorant?...recording the "na na"s.  so in answer to your
> question, yes, the na nas are pre-recorded.  i think.
>
>                      cari


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date:         thu, 17 oct 1996 17:43:14 -0500
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subject:      re: attention: emily's solo tape...marianne's dilema???
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on thu, 17 oct 1996 mmedido@aol.com wrote:

> i saw that recording once...it was behind a tree.....
> ....on the grassy knoll......
>
>
>
> (name withheld) (trust no one)
>
> ;)
>
> --

        actually, since it is a "solo" tape, wouldn't the book depository
make more sense?


                                                        tuesday's child

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date:         thu, 17 oct 1996 18:29:36 -0700
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subject:      you know you are an obsessed fan when...

you know you are an obsessed fan when...

...you're running the net for new pics of the girls and your
significant other walks into the room, glances at the monitor and
recognizes a picture of amy. (she is not a fan)

...you have spent hours making your own trivial persuit cards with
questions about ig and plan on slipping them into the deck for the next
game.

...you are working on drawing heads for your art class and all of them
look like emily or amy.

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date:         thu, 17 oct 1996 18:48:07 -0400
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subject:      boots

   hey, im new to this list, earlier there was a post that mentioned some
"basic boots" that everyone should have   unfortunatly, i dont have any,
or anything to trade for the boots,  if anyone could help me, it would be
greatly appriceited  the ones that were listed were blue food, ig ep,
color me grey, purple parrot, shades of indigo, tuesday's children, no
curfews, bumbershoot   again thank y'all for helping me out

nick dishler

if you can help me out, please email me at ndishler@mail.bcpl.lib.md.us

where am i?

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date:         fri, 18 oct 1996 11:04:06 -0400
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subject:      re: you know your an obsessed ig fan when....
x-to:         sundara <smurphy@ups.edu>
in-reply-to:  <v01530501ae8c9312bb54@[192.220.223.77]>

oh, god, i actually do this!  i have 2 copies of them all.

so as not to post a me-too, i wanna start a new thread.  ig songs you want
one or both of the ig to do duet with other folks?

amy and bruce springsteen, ghost
amy and u2, pushing the needle too far
emily and tracy chapman, fare thee well

anyone?
chris ii


on thu, 17 oct 1996, sundara wrote:

> ....you seriously contemplate making back-up copies of all your ig boots,
> cause what if something happened and one of them got eaten or something????
>
>
> peace, love, and purple,
>  the one and only...sundara
>
> "we all die and we all spend money"
>
>                         amy ray
>
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from:         kathy miller <kmiller@accessone.com>
organization: van waters & rogers
subject:      re: amy's soc's, indizone web site

rachel sefton-smith wrote:

>...[snip]...
> wow...just read loads of amy soc's on the indizone web page -
> (http://pages.prodigy.com/indizone/index.htm) ...[snip]...

this posting is from a few weeks ago, but now when i attempt to go to
the indizone web site, i get an 'error - not found', with message
"the url you requested (http://pages.prodigy.com/indizone/index.htm)
does not exist on the prodigy personal web pages server......"

does anybody know what happened to this web page, or to the other
one with the chickenman soc which used to be at
"http://www.aber.ac.uk/~mts5/indigo/amysoc.htm"??????  i know they
both used to be accessible, because i've visited both sites...
help....!!!!  i wanted to print out a couple of the soc's to show
our friends in tx, whom we're visiting shortly & who don't yet have
internet access.

thanks!!!
kathy

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from:         indigo jo <mts5@aber.ac.uk>
subject:      re: tame yourself
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on thu, 17 oct 1996 lmd21@aol.com wrote:

> hey y'all-
>      i just got back from best buy and of course a search through the bargain
> bins....i did find tame yourself and it was only 1.50.....the only problem is
> that the cd is messed up and "i'll give you my skin" is distorted....i guess
> i'll have to go back and get another copy if they have any left.  does anyone
> know if best buy lets you return bargain bin items?

well i don't know about best buy, but any shop worth its salt would give a
refund or exchange on something which was obviously faulty.

mat

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from:         indigo jo <mts5@aber.ac.uk>
subject:      re: break in
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on thu, 17 oct 1996 mhom@uakron.edu wrote:

>  the
> >person who broke into mrs. saliers house to collect souvenirs of emilys life.
>
>
> does anyone know anything about this?  ie:  how the perpetrator was revealed
> to be a list member, how they were caught, how their motive was discovered, etc.
>
> i find it incredulous that anyone who loves ig would invade their privacy in
> this manner.

someone who loves them?   i think a nutter who's obsessed by emily or both of
them is more likely to have committed this burglary.

incidentally - when exactly did this happen?   this is the first i've heard
of this.

mat

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from:         deng@vnet.ibm.com
subject:      cdn branch: bumbershoot boot

boots:  reminder to cdns that the bumbershoot boot is now available for
requests (it sounds pretty good). i've only had one so far (hi kim!) and i'd
like to think that's cause y'all forgot :)  plenty of thanks to corrine
for the tape (looks like it made it over cleveland! ;)

ig question: amy ray wears glasses??

guitar stuff: any opinions on the martin backpacker guitar?  i'd be
interested in hearing from anyone who owns one or who thinks there
is a better backpacker guitar out there on the market.

denise e.

shameless nigc:
does anyone know if amanda marshall or sarah mclachlan will be on tour
next year?  or if dar williams ever makes it to toronto?  tx.
random hellos to renee, gabrielle, sue and sarah, lori, corrine, bonnie

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subject:      virgin megastore & hte show

i was also at virgin megastore today.  a & e seemed happy and psyched for
tonight's benefit.

i was happy and very surprised that emily actually recognized me.  i have
met them a few times, and as i stepped up to have my honor album signed,
emily said- "hey- i recognize you!"  i mentioned where we had met before,
and the name of a friend of mine who is a fan that they know fairly well,
and emily lit up and said "oh yeah!! i remember!  well- thanks for coming
out to see us!"  amy said she remembered who i was too, but i didn't really
think so. :)  amy asked if i was coming to the show tonight, and i said that
unfortunately, i can merely lend my written support and buy the honor album
(one for my sis too).  and she said too bad.  i told them to have fun
tonight- and amy replied... "we'll do a good show- er- well- i dont know if
we'll play well, but we'll have fun up there!"  it was very cute.


i thought about bringing my camera, but realized i never do anything with
the photos i get with them, so i opted not to... but when someone offered to
take a photo and send it to me, i couldn't resist.  as much as i try to
chill out my fandom, it resurfaces in true form!

i heard the hte broadcast on ksca.. they sounded wonderful.  amy's voice has
taken on an even more bautiful meoolwness i didn't notice in past
performance...  slight flourishes in her voice i never heard.  really nice.
the whole gang (ig, bonnie raitt, toad, and others - i forget who) did a
beautiful rendition of "water is wide" when they jammed out at the end- and
a & e finished with "cortez the killer". (i think!!- i sat in my car in my
parking garage because i didnt want to waste the 5 mins it would take to get
into my house and turn on the radio!)
anyway- great show- i am sure someone will post a real review!

wow- that's the most prolific i have been on this list in 2 years!!!

ciao!
pamela

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from:         corinne simpson <corinne@utah-inter.net>
subject:      re: write to rosie

yes, kiddies, write to rosie and request ig.  my brother's mailing list for
xena did this, and lucy lawless was on soon after.   so if we want to see
the smiling faces of amy and emily on rosie anytime soon, write!!!!  there's
a good chance they will book them if they are heavily requested.

corinne

at 03:22 pm 10/17/96 -0700, pat chaney wrote:
>tell her we want the girls on her show..
>address is www.rosieo.com/mail2.cgi
>
>i told her to look forward to our mail!!!!
>

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subject:      re: amy's soc's, indizone web site
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on fri, 18 oct 1996, kathy miller wrote:

> rachel sefton-smith wrote:
>
> >...[snip]...
> > wow...just read loads of amy soc's on the indizone web page -
> > (http://pages.prodigy.com/indizone/index.htm) ...[snip]...
>
> this posting is from a few weeks ago, but now when i attempt to go to
> the indizone web site, i get an 'error - not found', with message
> "the url you requested (http://pages.prodigy.com/indizone/index.htm)
>  does not exist on the prodigy personal web pages server......"

i had that problem when i first tried to access it.   you have to spell
"indizone" with a capital i.

>
> does anybody know what happened to this web page, or to the other
> one with the chickenman soc which used to be at
> "http://www.aber.ac.uk/~mts5/indigo/amysoc.htm"??????

it's amysoc.html - i use a unix box to do my web page.

mat

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subject:      further on: you know your an obsessed ig fan when....

>on thu, 17 oct 1996, sundara wrote:

> ....you seriously contemplate making back-up copies of all your ig boots,
> cause what if something happened and one of them got eaten or something????
>
this is obsession???? oh great... and i figured i was just being practical!!!
man... i thought i'd dealt with my obsessive compulsive issues... now...
where *did* i put my psychiatrist's phone number?... i'm in crisis!!!!
oops... this is "me too" garbage... isn't it???
hmmm... okay then, before i call my doctor i'll ask a profound ig question...
are y'all still doing sotw??? i loved that thread... is it still alive???
enquiring minds want to know ( and what about naomi??? )
peace... kim ( the not so goddess-like goddess ):)
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
      <just kim>rcn@prcn.org
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penis and a brain, but only enough blood to
operate one at a time."
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subject:      re: write to rosie
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in-reply-to:  <2.2.32.19961018150845.006d3538@utah-inter.net>

> address is www.rosieo.com/mail2.cgi

ok, all, the extension on this address (/mail2.cgi) is incorrect. simply
go to www.rosieo.com and at the bottom there is a link to email her. just
wanted to make sure everyone got their requests in!

jen

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subject:      ig songbook

     i know this has been posted before and i thought i saved the
     information, but i need to get an ig songbook as i am starting guitar
     lessons (yahoo).  can anyone help me?

     holly

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subject:      hte

a & e sounded really good...i'm not sure if anyone posted this yet, but
they played the wood song, shame on you, it's alright, & blood quantum.  i
think that that's all.  i think i'll go to bed now...

andi

oh, btw, i put the so album cover as my wallpaper on my computer...it's so
cool!

           -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-
                              andrea lipman
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subject:      yay!!!  hte concert!

i dumped my cache & reloaded, & i'm getting the concert!  i have no idea
what i'm listening to right now, so if anyone has any info. about what's on
now, when ig will be on, etc, let me know...  :)

andi

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subject:      replaying ig

they're replaying ig on the hte show!!!  i cannot contain my excitement, so
i am forced to post again.  sorry for everyone who thinks that i'm wasting
bandwidth.  however, considering that my bandwith has total igc, i feel
that i am allowed. everyone here is sleeping, but i'm just too excited to
sleep.  oh...i forgot to say before that they also played this train
revised (after soy & before it's alright).  now i'm really going to bed...
:)

andi

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subject:      they're on!!!

ig are on!!!  i'm so excited...i woke up my roommate to make her listen
too!  the wood song...yay!!!  :)   but the sound is crappy...my computer
sucks...oh well...who am i complain?

andi

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subject:      history of us

hi my wonderful friends,  i just had one of those ig workplace
revelations...  i work at my school processing transcripts, and one of
the classes on someone's record card popped out at me.  in the 70's they
took a class on u.s. history, but on the record card it appears as
"history of us"  isn't that great?  i went all the way to paris....

smiles, happiness and ig!

the lone coyote

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subject:      re: easy money!! it's true! just read this!
x-to:         aaron degler <degler@lannert.com>
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              greenday@puck.nether.net, sci-fi-fantasy@listserv.prodigy.com,
              real-nyc@listserv.prodigy.com, mls-la <mls-la@americasnet.com>,
              majordomo@listserv.prodigy.com, allman@netspace.org,
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shut up


on wed, 16 oct 1996, aaron degler wrote:

> i'm not joking this is a great opportunity
> but, don't take my word for it just try it.  it only takes
> a few minutes.
>
>   i saw an article in an internet newsgroup telling me i could make
> $50,000 within a month for an investment of only $5.
>
>  i thought it  was a huge joke. i spoke  to my other college friends,
> and
> they all agreed it  was some kind of scam. i  can't stand scams, because
> usually someone gets burned, and i didn't want it to be me. of course, i
> rejected the idea at  first. after a short period of  about two weeks,
> i
> thought  : "i have already  heard of such things.  but on the internet
> ?!?!? ". i decided  that even if i had to throw $5 into the fire, i
> wouldn't  mind it that much, and gave it a try.  after all i needed a
> lot
> more than five dollars.
>
>
>   one week later,  i began receiving money  -- every day!  i could not
> believe it! soon, hundreds,  and then thousands of dollars began to
> roll
> in. within 6 weeks, i  had received a total of $47,326!  it came from
> everywhere in  the world. my bank account has changed its "-"  into a
> big
> "+" (++++)!!!
>
>
>   if you follow the three steps  below, there is no reason why the  same
> shouldn't  happen  to you!  this  is a  legitimate investment
> opportunity. you  invest $5,  and you  receive a return on  your
> investment. so  does the next  investor. not illegal, not a chain
> letter-
> perfectly legitimate.
>
>   if  you  are not  interested,  then  don't participate,  but please
> print this article and pass  it on to someone who may be interested, so
> they can take advantage.
>
>   the  procedure is  simple:  1)  write your name and address, an
> e-mail
> address,  and the name of the newsgroup where you learned of this on 5
> sheets of paper.  below that, write the words, "please add me to  your
> list." fold  $1 note  or bank draft or money order  in each  piece of
> paper and  send them to the following 5 addresses.:
>
>
> 1. beyond technology
>     5641 apgar street
>     houston, texas 77032  usa
> 2. daniel dekonty
>     lee college #88
>     1120 n. ocoee street
>     cleveland,  tn  37320  usa
> 3. don noel
>     222 ne dogwood st #c103
>     issaquah, wa 98027 usa
> 4. eric horn
>     240 robert court #203
>     glendale hieghts, illinois 60139
> 5. aaron degler
>     921 fargo blvd
>     geneva, illinoi 60134
>
>
>    2) now remove the top name from the list, and move the other four
> names
> up. in other words,  #5 becomes #4 and so on. put your name as the
> fifth
> one on the list.   use a simple text editor such as  notepad,  in your
> "accessories" window (if you have  ms-windows),or dos  editor.   in
> fact,
> any editor will do.
>
>    3) post  the article to at  least 200 newsgroups.  there are17,000,
> so
> it shouldn't  be hard  to find  that many.   try posting to as  many
> newsgroups as you can,   and the bigger the newsgroup is,  the more
> people are to see your message!
>
>    you  are now  in  the an order services business, and should start
> seeing returns within a week or two.   of course,  the more newsgroups
> you
> post to, the greater your return is.  if you  wish to remain anonymous,
> you may use a psuedonym, call yourself  "the manager", "the boss",
> whatever but make sure your address is correct.
>
>    now, here is why the system works:
>
>    -of every  200 posts  i made, i  received 5  responses. yes,  only 5.
> you make $5 for every 200 posts with your name at #5.
>
>    -each person who  sent you $1 now also  makes 200 additional postings
> with your name at #4. ie. 1000 postings. on average therefore, 50 people
> will send you  $1 with your name at #4.  $50.
>
>    -your 50 new agents make 200 postings each with your name at #3 or
> 10,000 postings.  average return  500 people  = $500.  they make  200
> postings  each with  your name  at #2=100,000 postings=5000 return at $1
> each=$5000.
>
>    -finally, 5,000 people  make 200 postings with  your name at #1 and
> you get a return  of $50,000 before your  name drops off the list. and
> thats if  everyone down the line makes 200 postings! total income in one
> cycle=$55,000.
>
>   from time to  time, when you see your name  no longer on the list,
> you
> take the  latest  posting  that appears  in  the newsgroups, and  send
> out
> another $5,  and put your  name at #5, and start posting again.
> remember,
> 200 postings is only a guideline. the more you post, the greater the
> return.
>
>    lets review  why  you should do this.  the only cost is  $5.  anyone
> can afford $5  for such an effortless investment with such spectacular
> returns.
>
>    some people have said to me,  "what happens if the scheme is played
> out
> and no one sends me any money?  "big deal, so you lose $5-but what are
> the
> chances of that happening ?? do you realize that  nobody cares for  the
> legal chance  of winning such  a big  money as  50,000.00  $$$$ ????
> and
> all for  a microscopic investment of five  separate dollars? just think
> of
> all  of the new  internet users that  join the  net every day!!!
>
>    there are  millions of internet  users, and millions  of new net
> surfers every  month !!!  this is the  great plus of the internet,
> people
> all over the world can hear you and listen carefully if you  talk
> reasonably.  everyone  will take that chance !  i agree,  if  it wasn't
> the  internet,  and  was a small circle  of people,  the chance
> wouldn't
> have  been so small.  the amount of money had to be 200 times bigger,
> and
> the chances were zero.  it wouldn't succeed.
>
>    but here, on the internet, it is a giant village,  where new
> thousands
> of members join in every day ! you can't lose !!!!
>
>    remember- read the instructions  carefully, and play fairly.  that's
> the  only way this will  work. get a printout  so you can refer back to
> this article easily.
>
>    try to  keep a  list of  everyone that  sends you  money and always
> keep an eye on the  postings to make sure everyone is playing fairly.
> you
> know where your name should be.
>
>    remember-honesty is  the best  policy.  you  do not  need to cheat
> this  idea to  make money!!   besides,not  playing the game  fairly  is
> illegal.so  let's  be  reasonable and  play fairly,so we can all enjoy
> the
> internet gold mine.
>
> good luck  for you all, and  remember, play fair  and you'll win,  i
> don't
> want to mention what might happen to those who won't.   and  again,see
> you next  time  with something  you wanted for a long time !!!
>
>
>
> --
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> not reflect the official views of microsoft corporation
>

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subject:      glasses for amy ??????

in a message dated 96-10-18 11:42:46 edt, denise writes:

<< ig question: amy ray wears glasses?? >>

i can't believe i actually did this ...but a friend and i...perplexed over
the apparent variable eye color of ar (grey or brown ?)...poured
over the songbook covers (especially rop) in search of the tell tale
'contact lense edge' ...and i think it is pretty visible on the rop
cover...leading us to the conclusion that she uses vision correctors.
...but we could be wrong.....

love !
binky (president and queen mother : the society for the easily amused)
(who never got realaudio to work but set it up 15 times last night !)
(*unless maybe the show went like this "thankyou for choosing
realaudio bla bla bla".........was that a or e ?)

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i learned not to give that girl a gun.  ;)

more later, after i pour over all thee lyrics (one of my favorite passtimes).

                                                        tuesday's child

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     can someone post the lyrics to this song? puh-leeeeeeze?
     thanks...kira


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date:    10/18/96 1:49 pm


i learned not to give that girl a gun.  ;)

more later, after i pour over all thee lyrics (one of my favorite passtimes).

                                                        tuesday's child

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subject:      re: you know your an obsessed ig fan when.... (and sarah)
in-reply-to:  <02997237011c0e00>

you know your an obsessed ig fan when....

>a friend and i...perplexed over
>the apparent variable eye color of ar (grey or brown ?)...poured
>over the songbook covers (especially rop) in search of the tell tale
>'contact lense edge' ...and i think it is pretty visible on the rop
>cover...leading us to the conclusion that she uses vision correctors.
>...but we could be wrong.....
>
>love !
>binky

and don't bill it as part of the " you know your an obsessed ig fan
when...."  thread.    : )

as far as backing up tapes,  having twice now copied over a tape by
putting the original in on the wrong side of my deck, and having had
three people request new copies of tapes i had sent them becuase the
original was either stolen or copied over, i'm beginning to think this
backing up all my tapes sounds like a pretty smart idea.

of course the second set would have to go in a safe place, like in a huge
safety deposit box at the bank.  but the bank could get robbed, so i
better make a third set ...

and sarah, butter-biscuits, can you email me, please, thanks.

  harry a. keates
  email: hak@crai.com

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subject:      ig songbook source

there's a company in durham, nc who carries ig songbooks. they have a
www site - their name is ladyslipper. they also carry scads of cds, too.
the only ig songook they did not have in their catalog was 'strange fire'


                http://www.ladyslipper.org

nancy humphries
nancy@rbdc.rbdc.com

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subject:      dgtgag lyrics

<<can someone post the lyrics to this song? puh-leeeeeeze?
     thanks...kira>>


<<i learned not to give that girl a gun.  ;)>>

jen posted this on 9/20/96  (i save everything!! <g>)

        she's got a case against me
        a jury of my peers
        outrage of the righteous
        screaming in her ears
        i'm not dignified anymore
        can't say i didn't call
        when i say i love you
        she don't hear me anymore

        and don't give that girl a gun
        i said don't give that girl a gun
        she's already won, she's already won

        i made a bad connection
        she says i went astray
        jumped ship, abandoned my post
        i didn't think i lost my way

        oh how the mighty fall
        and i saw her crack a smile
        don't got a chance for redemption
        she don't believe in the miracle mile

        and don't give that girl a gun
        i said now don't give that girl a gun
        she's already won, she's already won

        i said hold me closer
        cause something's happening
        why can't we come together
        she said i doubt we ever will, ever will again

        i said don't give that girl a gun
        i said now don't give that girl a gun
        she's already won, she's already won

        i said now don't give that girl a gun
        i said now don't give that girl a gun
        she's already won, she's already won


i hope this helped...
andi

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subject:      amy & eye glasses

i saw a picture of amy wearing glasses during a soundcheck, but i cant
remember where it was printed. probably on the web somewhere.

sorry this wasnt much help but i have seen photographic proof. maybe
someone who knows her can say how often she wears them (as if that piece
of information really matters hehe).

kristina
who wears her glasses when she's driving and brushing her teeth.

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subject:      re: amy & eye glasses

isn't there a picture of amy with glasses on the curfew insert?
jazz

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subject:      the l.a. show reviewed (kinda)/luck/all i learned poster?

from the looks of things, a bunch of you were waiting &
frustrated trying to get the broadcast over the 'net. did it eventually
work out? it came on late..around 10:15 pacific time. i heard it on ksca.

the performance----->they sang the wood song, shame on you, this train,
it's all right, and blood quantum. not only did amy sing "fucking" in soy,
but the following was said after this train:   (i'm trying to remember, so
this may not be perfectly word for word)

amy: we shouldn't have practiced before this because every time we do
we fuck up.
djs: (a & e can't hear them) uhhh...that's part of the fun of live
radio--you never know what you're gonna get.
amy: <sounding embarrassed> sorry..uh..excuse my...
emily: excuse my language!
amy: our parents aren't here.   <audience laughter>
emily: they might hear a tape of the show though because..<sound of the
truth dawning on emily>..oh, this is being broadcast, huh? oops.

it was so beautiful. seriously. emily was so like, "oh well!" they really
didn't chat too much other than that in between songs. "thanks y'alls"
etc. really glad to be here.

then after bonnie raitt sang a few songs, a & e sang with her on a john
prine(??i'm butchering) song, and the water is wide, and...um...something
else.  sorry i'm losing it here. it's 5:20 a.m. and i haven't slept yet. i
got the bonnie-raitt-with-a-&-e stuff on tape but before that i was
driving and not at home.  see, here's my sad story--feel free not to read
it--my horrid indigo day actually turned out cosmically well-timed for me
in the end!

after my horrid day of missing the cd signing, not
finding anyone who actually *knows* where shangri-la studios is, ripping
the l.a. times apart looking for info about the benefit, driving to
malibu and still not finding a listing in the phone book (yes i was
actually so annoyed i was going to try to meet them by finding them
outside or something), making myself almost late to class so i didn't have
time to call my roommate and tell her to tape the show off the radio since
i left my tape player at home after i specifically ran home to get it to
bring it to class with me, taking my test and thinking the world sucks...

after all that, i got in my car shortly after ten p.m., turned on ksca,
heard a few bars of some song, and then heard the dj fading it out before
itfinished and saying they interrupt their programming now because indigo
girls are just taking the stage! yes! my timing was beautiful--finally. i
got to hear the whole blessed thing as i drove home. (uhhh..i know, that
means i didn't get to tape them, though i did tape the songs they did
later with bonnie raitt because i was home by then. sorry y'all. maybe
someone else taped the whole thing--like lucky rodney who actually knew
about the cd signing. lucky, lucky rodney.)

-------> about an "all i need to know i learned from amy & emily"...i
think it would be really really cool if we made a big poster, a really
snazzy & pretty one, like the kindergarten ones only better, with a
beautiful picture and guitars and such maybe. how exciting. poster,
poster, poster. that's my vote.

inspired by gravity,
linda

        "between the christianity of this land, and the christianity
         of christ, i recognize the widest possible difference..."
                                        ---frederick douglass

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hi all!  i haven't posteed to the list in a while, but today was an
especially good day.  though i have the misfortune of living in la, one of
the few things it does offer is the chance to see a lot of music groups.
seems like everyone has to go through here at one time or another.
anyway, i was so ecstatic to see a sign saying ig would be at the virgin
megastore to sign copies of the honor cd.  needless to say, i was ther an
hour and a half early, and got to be the first in line. (hey mr rodney,
that was me with the acoustic guitar).  for some reason i was completely
nervous because i didnt' think they would sign my guitar, but they did,
and they were very nice to me.  i also had the honor cd, so... they were
so nice.  you already know what they were wearing, so i won't talk about
that.  after i got the autographs, i just kind of stepped off to the side,
and took pictures until the line whittled down.  then i got in line again
to ask for a picture with the two of them, which i forgot the first time
around.  i still can't believe i met the people who wrote closer to fine,
fugitive, galileo...  the coolest thing was that when i went back the
second time, emily remembered my name.  i think i love her.  damn my sex.
so, i know this is getting long, but there is important info.  i asked
them about what the first single will be off the new album, and they said
they didn't know.  i also asked emily if she had perfect pitch (in case
anyone's interested) and she said she doesn't.  i am even more amazed now.

so they went on and the announcer said there would be a broadcast on the
radio of the benefit show.  needless to say, i went straight home and
listened to the radio for 4 hours just to hear it, and what a sho wit was.
i think i taped it, but i haven't listened to the tape.  there is this
short interview, and then 5 songs from ig.  then a set by bonnie raitt
which includes "home" from the honor cd, and a song which amy and emily
back up sing on.  then 2 more songs with ig, bonnie, and glen something
from toad the wet sprocket.  here's the set list:

wood song-they started broadcasting it in the middle of the 1st verse
shame on you-it's evolving
this train revised
it's alright-i think it is "40 days of rain" instead of "for the". emily
         also makes a mistake in the lyrics.  i think she forgot.
blood quantum

bonnie raitt set
john prine song with ig back up

with the whole group:
water is wide
cortez the killer

if it did record, i will make trades only because i am too busy for more
right now.  so if you have anything cool, drop me a line.  it was the best
day of my life here in la ( i've only been here for a year and a half).

love, wendell

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subject:      go braves!

after reading all these posts about my boys the braves, i just had to
jump in and say i'm still proudly wearing my atlanta braves cap which
the girls signed for me and on which amy added go braves in green
sharpie!  no brag, just fact... <grin>

cyndi

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subject:      you know you're an ig fan when...

...you start humming love will come to you in shakespeare class
because one of the lines in macbeth that you just read said something
about "milk of human kindness"

oh, and for anyone who is interested, there is a review of indian
killer (or something like that) in the washington post today.
several people on the list have mentioned an interest in this, so i
thought y'all would like to know.

anna (who is going home!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
"there is more simplicity in the man who eats caviar on impulse than
in the man who eats grape-nuts on principle."  - g. k. chesterton

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subject:      re: amy & eye glasses
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she's wearing glasses on the soundcheck for chickenman on the watershed
video...

chandra

on fri, 18 oct 1996, kristina wrote:

> i saw a picture of amy wearing glasses during a soundcheck, but i cant
> remember where it was printed. probably on the web somewhere.
>
> sorry this wasnt much help but i have seen photographic proof. maybe
> someone who knows her can say how often she wears them (as if that piece
> of information really matters hehe).
>
> kristina
> who wears her glasses when she's driving and brushing her teeth.
>
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subject:      amy & eye glasses

hey all in ig land!

when i met amy after a show in vt in '95 she was wearing eyeglasses.
they were thick brown frames, like the ones in the photo in the so
songbook.  i almost didn't recognize her, except for the fact that
she walked over to me and said hi, then proceded to sign the po2
cd single for me and we chatted.  my guess is she either wears contacts
on stage and during public appearances or she only needs glasses for
certain things like reading.  just a guess.

take care and peace!

-deb

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subject:      dgtgag lyrics ii

        hi all...kira asked for the lyrics to don't give that girl a gun,
and andrea promptly responded, but i'm going to repost them with the verse
that amy has since added (or at least at the minneapolis hte show...)

        don't give that girl a gun

        she's got a case against me
        a jury of my peers
        outrage of the righteous
        screaming in her ears
        i'm not dignified anymore
        can't say i didn't call
        when i say i love you
        she don't hear me anymore

        and don't give that girl a gun
        i said don't give that girl a gun
        she's already won, she's already won

        i made a bad connection
        she says i went astray
        jumped ship, abandoned my post
        i didn't think i lost my way

        oh how the mighty fall
        and i saw her crack a smile
        don't got a chance for redemption
        she don't believe in the miracle mile

        *take the first shot baby it'll be real clean
        *i'm your girl, strong and mean.
        *take the second shot baby it'll be real cold
        *because i'm your foe.

        and don't give that girl a gun
        i said now don't give that girl a gun
        she's already won, she's already won

        i said hold now me closer
        cause something's happening
        why can't we come together
        she said i doubt we ever will, ever will again

        take the first shot baby it'll be real clean
        i'm your girl, strong and mean.
        take the second shot baby it'll be real cold
        because i'm your foe

        i said don't give that girl a gun
        i said now don't give that girl a gun
        she's already won, she's already won

        i said now don't give that girl a gun
        i said now don't give that girl a gun
        she's already won, she's already won


not very different, but i prefer to be meticulous and up to date!!
        peace
                jen

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date:         fri, 18 oct 1996 19:03:04 -0400
reply-to:     michael reynolds <asl@umcs.maine.edu>
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from:         michael reynolds <asl@umcs.maine.edu>
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i sent like 3 emails to the list -- including the url where you, yes you can
still hear last nights show. try
http://www.audionet.com/concerts/honortheearth/

they have a 52 min real audio file there...
hopefully this gets to the list
mike r.

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howz about dar williams and emily doing "the girl with the weight of the
world in her hands".
ben

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subject:      boys on the side

hey y'all! just turned on the tv and comes boys on the side is on! never an
indigo-less night for me! it's on cinemax 2.

jendy (just bursting with happiness)

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         ten thousand tons of ice cream,
         and if i don't get the things i am after,
         i'm going to scream..."

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sorry to the list yet once again but lisa i need your address. i finally
have your erie and white dot boots but i need your address.
ben

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subject:      nigc: server

hey y'all,

   my internet server was down yesterday and all my mail was returned.  i
am in the middle of several trades and wanted to let any of y'all know that
if anyone mailed my yesterday, i didn't get it.  i'm not ignoring you.   :)


                        --sunny

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subject:      hte audionet

is it just me or is the reception from this live broadcast horrible
quality?  when i listened to the concert in minneapolis, only about 5% was
lost.  i'm using the same connection speed and i can barely make out
what's happening at the concert.  i get about 1 second of sound and then
things keep fading in and out as though the channel isn't clear.  it's a
little frustrating.  i'm glad i got to hear the minn. concert though.
anyone having better luck than i am?

amy

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subject:      list serve

annie peiser-listserve

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subject:      hte thing

how nice !

i went the hte site to listen to the show and evrey time i clicked
on "listen !" it set up the realaudio player.....i think i set that sucker up
about 15 times never got past "welcome to the realaudio bla bla
thankyou for bla bla bla.."

what a piece of crap....i know it worked for others... so i must
be missing something here or is it supposed to be confusing
and upsetting ?

i have a headache i'm going to bed.

stinky binky

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subject:      re: new hampshire boot
x-to:         guinione@aol.com
in-reply-to:  <961017191528_1279972779@emout07.mail.aol.com> from
              "guinione@aol.com" at oct 17, 96 07:15:29 pm

geez that guy yelling must be quite the dork, and have good vocal chords.
(btw, the guy gave both a+e a beautiful incan type necklace, it was only
because em was talking to the guy as three black booted thugs began dragging
him away...) let's just say hampton nh sucks to see a show at, and well..
umm.. that guy really is sorry for his absurd behavior (not that bad till
after more than his fair share of alcohol)
oh well, thanks to emily for saving that guys butt!
mike reynolds

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subject:      attn: lesbians and bi-women (nigc)

hey all,

got a favor to ask.  i'm doing my master's thesis on lesbian and bi
(sexual minority) identity, specifically, the social construction of
identity.  i'm short interviews and thought maybe some of you might be
willing to help me out.

i have a survey of 9 open-ended questions that should take no longer than
half an hour to fill out.  your name would in no way be tied to any of
your answers because you would choose a pseudonym.

anyone who would be interested in helping me out, please mail me and i'll
send you the questions.

you'd totally be helping me graduate!  plus, you'd learn a lot about
yourself.  please, please, please? i'll buy you an ice cream cone.  :)

thanks!

carolyn

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yes, when the crowd set in on the "brave chant" or whatever that obscene
thing is they do, any thoughts i had of a & e enjoying the game vanished.


~abigail


at 11:25 pm 10/17/96 -0400, you wrote:
>in a message dated 96-10-17 23:02:50 edt, abigail writes:
>
><< amy-lookalike sitting in a box behind home plate, that is unless it was
>her...)
>  >>
>
>somehow...i doubt that miss r would go to a braves game, unless they
>changed their name ( i wonder how e feels about the team now...
>i understand she is quite the baseball fan.)
>
>binky
>
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a pawn" ~emily saliers

afraid of women" ~dar williams

complacent!!!" ~amy ray

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subject:      re: na nas in least complicated on so

>  the only person other than them listed as singing on the
>  song is jerry, and the na nas are definitely feminine ones.  they sound
>  rather a&eish, actually.  do you all think that they were pre-recorded
>  and added in?

actually, it is emily and michael lorant doing the na nas on so.
proof can be found on the watershed video... however, on the uptown girls
cd, amy was na na-ing.  it sounded...interesting. =)

peace, love, and caffeine,
ponygirl

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subject:      "i'll give you my skin"

hey, if anyone really wants a copy of this, or the whole cd (tame yourself),
i'd be happy to tape it for you.  my radio station has a good copy and we
have good taping equipment too.

just thought i'd offer.

happy day,
jennie

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subject:      emily approves solo tape!!!!!!!!
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well,

i did it.  i was able to ask emily about the solo
tape which was indeed done at tulane.  boy, talk
about a trip down memory lane.  she has asked me
to do her a favor which i will follow up on but
it looks like the "tape tree" is a go.  please do
not respond until asked to


but first...

i think a few people owe marianne an apology.  many of
us, myself included, have been asked not to copy a show
for whatever reason.  although she was vague, i'm sure
she was just trying to be protective.

i'm sorry i accused her of showing off but it did seem a
bit strange that she didn't reply to anyone asking about it.


now...

i'm hoping to get emily to talk a bit more about the tape but
that will come later when i interview them for an upcomming writing
asignment i've been given.


the "tape tree"...

well, if marianne is now willing to "seed' the "tree" now that we have
emilys blessing.  i think the best thing to do is give it away for a blank
tape and postage.  no trading...just sharing.

i hope to have a message from emily about all this relatively soon.  if anyone
doubts my connections i believe there are people on the list who will vouch
for me.


in closing...

marianne, please contact me and lets see if we can get this thing rolling.
i promise to give you full credit as far as emily is concerned.

peace,  michael  :-)

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subject:      questions you've heard before ???

hi everyone !!!
i'm new to the list and so excited to have found it .... i've been an ig fan for several years but have never known a lot of others who were. this is paradise !!
of course i have a couple of questions that you've probably answered before but maybe some kind soul can help me out and e-mail me privately so as to not waste anyone else's time.
can someone explain this whole "boot" thing to me ????  i'm fascinated by the whole process and want to learn how to get in on it.

also can someone tell me who shallott is (left me a fool) ???  this has been a burning question for months for me and to date i have not found the answer.

that's all for now. hope i didn't break any ettiquette rules. thanks in advance for any help.

melster


mcarneiro@wow.com

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reply-to:     "kim: goddess in her own reality" <rcn@prcn.org>
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subject:      re: questions you've heard before ???

>at 09:03 pm 10/18/96 -0400, melster wrote:

>also can someone tell me who shallott is (left me a fool) ???  this has
been a >burning question for months for me and to date i have not found the
answer.
>
we had a discussion about this a month or so back on the list, and i think
that a lot of us were in agreement that "shallot" was a mythical city...
beautiful, but not real... out of touch... we sort of came to the conclusion
because of the poem ( i forget who by ) about the lady of shallot...
it makes sense though, if you think of the lyrics... "you remind me of
shallot...only made of shadows..."
anyone else??? am i remembering wrong???
hope that helps a bit?:)
peace eh?... kim
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
      <just kim>rcn@prcn.org
"isn't it a shame about men? they have a
penis and a brain, but only enough blood to
operate one at a time."
---------------robin williams---------------
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subject:      <repost> emily dream

hi all,

i had a very short bizarre dream right before i was awakened by the phone
ringing <damn those people- no, for the last time, i _do not want the new
york times delivered to my front door!!_ >  anyway, my dream was left
unresolved and i hope some of you can think of some good endings to give me
some closure....

i guess i was shopping for pants and i had about 5 pair in different colors
that i was carrying to this room.  when i got there, emily was sitting on a
chair, legs crossed, wearing a blue and grey horizontally striped shirt and
jeans and sneakers.  she was smiling at me but didn't say anything.  it
seemed like she was there to offer advice and support for my pants-trying-on
(which by the way is always very traumatic for me for certain reasons).  oh
my god!  was emily working at the gap? ;)  well, before i could step into my
first pants leg the phone rang <grrrr> and woke me up.  please, everyone,
give me some closure!  i need to know how it ended.  i mean, did the pants
fit me? <just kidding>  no, really what did emily say or do?  help!!

well, gotta go hit the books for my midterm next week, ugh :(*  -that
represents the zit on my chin... i must be really worried cause i had another
dream in which my professor was angrily chasing me around the room...  now
who needs psychiatric help?

hope everyone enjoys the day.. mine sucks.

-sheri :|

\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\

  _       _ ------ _               o      |....when you learn
{  ~\_/         o   \    o  o           |to love yourself
{  ~ _   ]          <  o                 |you will dissolve
{_~/  \ _        _ /                    | all the stones
             v-----                        | that are cast....
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subject:      ig on amn

   i was flipping through the channels today, and guess what i found? ig were
on the austin music network. i only caught the end, but apparently it was a
special on ig. i caught a small part of an interview, and then saw the videos
for least complicated (which they play all the time), power of two, and bury
my heart. i have never seen a video for bury my heart before, but it was
really cool. they ended it by playing get together while rolling the video
for touch me fall. i was excited, to say the least. anyway, that's my indigo
story. not quite the same as meeting them or anything, but it was still
shocking to see ig videos on actual tv.

peace,
margot

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i think we should make a poster! we already have a shirt and god knows ig
posters are hard to find and costly! just make one dollar and eighty
three cents.
ben

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subject:      you know you're an obssessed fan when . . .

  . . . your chemistry professor asks which color chalk he should use
to write on the board and you yell loudly, "indigo!"

true story.  happened this morning.

-j

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subject:      obsession ii-self tilted album

hey everybody! i just got this forwarded from my sis, out in georgia
(decatur). she's got a pretty indigo crowd of friends, and i think this
list takes the cake as far as who is obsessed (she did not do all of these
things. it took a whole lot of people to do all of these things). anyway,
there's some funny stuff in it. enjoy.

=-),
sherri
###############################################################################

>from: ljacobson@agnes.agnesscott.edu
>organization:  agnes scott college
>to: sherri lynn jacobson <slj@csulb.edu>
>date:          fri, 18 oct 1996 20:28:31 est
>subject:       obsession ii-self tilted album
>priority: normal
>
>ok, so your car has more bumper stickers on the back of it than
>anything than possibly your guitar cases.  so, you spend every
>wednesday afternoon mindlessly wandering through rainy day records,
>although perry and marsha both know that you know exactly where every
>picture of amy ray is on the wall. . .you even burn the evenings away
>playing pool at eddie's, sitting at the point or the red light, but
>how do you know when indigo fever has hit 105?  well, this is the
>vainglory list we decaturites have compiled for your reading
>pleasure, of course knowing that none of y'all out there would ever
>pull any of these stunts for real (wink,wink, nudge,nudge*)
>
>1. you have met every person named and thanked at the end of every
>official album.
>2. you have seen live in performance every person listed as
>contributing to the songs on every album
>3. collectively, michelle malone, wendy bucklew, cooper seay, michael
>lorant, etc. know you by face, name, and possibly even smell,l and have asked
>you personally to never come to their show again.
>4. you looked up amy's father's home phone number and keep it in a
>little chest by your bed, because although you were dying to have the
>number it would be disrespectful to call.
>5.  you drove yourself out to russel carter and stood outside the
>office for half an hour before getting up the courage and an excuse
>to open the door.  upon finding that the door was locked you laid on
>the ground and looked through the mail slot. . .( there is
>a toy train running through the lobby if any of y'all are wondering.)
>6. you and your road trip buds have seriously considered buying a
>time-share just down the road from amy's new house and starting a
>biking group.
>7. you waited in vain at the daemon records p.o. box for someone to
>pick up the mail.
>8.  you keep in the lookout for a little black car with round
>headlights (as seen on watershed,) but you still ar enot sure what
>you'd do if you actually saw it.
>9. every record store owner from atlanta to "the peach" in south
>carolina knows you by name and a few even offered to buy you a beer
>on your 21st b-day.
>10. you organized a group of over ten people to go see "boys on the
>side," and the all ten of you  jumped up and down screaming " amy in
>the window sil!" or "oh my god, how did whoopi just happen to stop by
>in podunkville and end up in the indigo girls?  hell, i'd stay there
>forever!"
>11. after watching the uptown lounge video, you went back and counted
>how many times the word "baby" was actually said. (a great word,
>isn't it? baby.)its 29.
>12.  you too drove out to nashville, jsut for a convention, though,
>at vanderbilt u. and you too left that town with the song "nashville"
>on repeat, on and off screaming "i feel your pain, sister!"
>13. you made a 5 state tour for 3 concerts, for which only one of
>them you officially had tickets.
>14. you begged the drummer to put you on the guest list after
>following them back to the hotel, because the next shows were sold
>out.
>15. you took time off of work for that tour, and wrote as the reason
>for leave "indigo girls concerts," and have the boss not only
>understand, and give you her blessing, but ask "can i come too?"
>16. refer to all ig affiliated people by first name only, and get
>very frustrated when someone doesn't know which "jane" you're talking
>about.
>17. get so drunk that you start naming pool pockets after members of
>the band, but not drunk enough that you would name amy and emily
>pockets, because that at your inebriated state still seems like
>sacrileage.
>18. you have a wall collection af paraphanelia so extensive, that
>your friends and family refer to it as "the shrine."
>19. drool over every black guitar, and have called martin co. and
>asked if any black acoustic with octagonal fret marlings are still
>being sold.
>20. when introduced by a friend to a stranger, the stranger replies
>"oh, so you're the indigo freak."
>21. you sign your 12 yr. old daughter up for classical guitar (but
>its not necessary, its definitely not necessary.)
>22.  amy ray?emily sailers '96 has been posted on a sign in your lawn
>since may.
>23. look up every every methodist church in decatur and attend a
>service although you yourself are jewish, in hopse of finding emily
>or her father.
>24. take out copies of frank stanford and virginia woolf from the
>library, not to mention every book suggested in the newsletter just
>because amy or emily mentioned the titles.
>25. joke about tattooing their countenances on certain vulnerable
>spots of your body just so they'd always be with you, but no one has
>to know.
>26. you went back to shamrock hs at 11pm and chased some poor women
>half way around the track because one of them kind of looked like
>emily.
>27. you looked through the emory log books in order to find out if a
>& e had dorm rooms so you could visit them
>28. you sent your graduation announcements to amy and emily's houses
>because, well, you never know.
>29. your t-shirts are many, your flannels are rolled to your elbows,
>your overalls are just that shade of blue, you wear past concert
>t-shirts to current ones, usually the oldest one you own, as if the
>say "hey, i've been an ig fan for fifteen years, see?"
>30. you are willing to buy any respactable looking line of clothes
>that is advertised as "mood indigo," "feeling indigo," "indigo
>dream," etc, because it brings you closer in harmony to those women
>inbetween blue and purple.
>31. you turn your own personal meeting the indigo girls story into a
>legend, like, amy really said "um, ok, i'll take a picture with you.
>. .(now that you're dragging me out of the minivan and its 20degrees
>outside are you mad?)  and you turn it into a sure, amy i met her, we
>talked for a while (a whole 3.5 seconds) yeah, i think she said "hey,
>gorgeous, lets take a photo for posterity, yeah, mail me one, here's
>my address, and hey call me, maybe well go out sometime."---you know
>a modified version of romeo and juliet--and the best part is some of
>your friends believe it--the one who weren't with you at the time
>laughing their butts off because all you could say is , "yeah, um,
>um, mmmy name is ppppenelope."
>32. you've had the same haircut as amy ray for the past ten years.
>33. you've had the amy ray semi-bowl cut for the past twelve years.
>34. you ask your friends if they'd like to come over and watch
>watershed, or you could come over to their house which has no vcr and
>you could act it out for them.
>35. all friends and acquaintences come to you when they have a
>dispute over ig info.
>36. when you are requested to make a 6 letter password the letters
>amyray, indigo, emily2, or ontour immediately come to mind.
>37. you have asked amy ray to marry you at a concert, and she has
>accepted so long as you go back home after the concert.
>38.you consider grady and new haven to be shrines and have tried on
>multiple occasions to convince the personnel to pull up birth
>records.
>39. you can tell anyone on any day where the indigo girls should be
>right now (other than they shoud be with you.)
>40. you know cd song tracks by number on the cd's, on your 6-track
>player, and on all of the locak juke boxes.
>41. you eat a ceremonial bowl of black beans, rice, and strawberries
>on sundays.
>42. you own more pictures of amy and/or emily than of all your
>relatives and friends combined.
>43. you have ardously surfed the net, predating the yahoo network,
>and have compiled a book about a foot thick of all of the very best
>indigo-related treasures.
>44. you rank your cd collection in order of importance, and the first
>eighteen cd's are indigo girls.
> 45. you have seen everything, out here that we call  "the rounds," that
>is the
>ultimate list of must-see ig affiliated sights (i.e. flying biscuit,
>russel carter, nickel and dime, taco mac, shamrock, emory, the
>freight room, rainy day records, midtown music, eddie's, and the list
>goes on and on and on and on) in the atlanta area, you know what
>they're good for, and you have visited them all, . .at least twice.
>
>(please note that these things were not all doen by one crazy,
>overzealous fan, but many here who have had a little too much blue on
>their hands, and please don't go killin; yourselves to top it or
>squeeze this all in on one pilgrimage, just take it all in slowly,
>laugh, you know, chillin' )
>
>and hey, well, thanks y'all, for stickin' around, we've had a great show,
>there's cd's on sale at your local music stores, we've had a great
>evening.   good night.
>
>

when in danger, when in doubt
run in circles, scream and shout.
=0

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date:         fri, 18 oct 1996 16:44:05 -0400
reply-to:     michael reynolds <asl@umcs.maine.edu>
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from:         michael reynolds <asl@umcs.maine.edu>
subject:      re: marianne's dilemma (look ma, i can spell!)
x-to:         pegasus@crl.com
in-reply-to:  <pine.sun.3.91.961017094922.2949a-100000@crl.crl.com> from "amy
              j. putnam" at oct 17, 96 09:59:41 am

>
> (unnecessary spelling dig aside..)
>
> > okay, so what makes marianne so special that she can possess a copy and no
> > one else can, trink?  is she a close personal friend of emily's?...  yeah,


what if she is??? given the recent climate of this list i doubt anyone will
say whenther they are or not for fear of posts like this.

> > that's what it is, and she wants to know more about the tape, since emily
> > gave it to her in such a rush, and ya know em's probably really hard to get a
> > hold of cuz she's on the road so much, and so she thought she'd just ask us
> > little unimportant people on the list, even though she knows that none of us
> > would be holy enough to be a keeper of the lost tape...

ummm.. i think if marianne needed an ego boost, owning a tape wouldn't be
it, considering she has published a wonderful book already dealing with irc

> >
>
> maybe marianne's methodology in asking for details abotu the tape could be
> a bit better, but that doesnt give the rest of us any right to whine
> about it.  i'd be willing to bet that there are a number of people on
> this list in possession of otehr "gems" as well, things that cant be

right on amy!!! take this metaphor: on another list, say off broadway plays,
where if you lived in new york or knew such and such someone, for your own
purposes gave you a script, and also gave you a electronic version.  their
only request was not to distribute it at all because they did not want it at
that time. how would you feel if you betrayed the person who gave you the
script...

> traded for one reason or another.  and i am sure many of us are very
> curious to hear this tape of emily.  i count myself among them ,but
> i also respect marianne's reluctnace to trade the tape,

and if marianne found a few people she would trade with, it wouldnt be
holier than thou, since i am more than sure marianne can trust certain
people.
especially
> in light of the recent post of the site selling tapes for $8.50.

not only that, but it even bugs me, when i know i have some pretty good
items, altho not as rare as mariannes tape, which i would never want sold, a
good slogan i read once on a bootleg tape cove was "the music contain within
is priceless, so freely trade amoung the masses.."
  we
> ought to be grateful for the open spirit of trading that we have, and
> not take that to mean we are owed copies of any other tape that exists.
> what i think is more ridiculous is the "holier than thou" attitudes
> of those who are demanding copies of this tape.
>
>                           _________
> amy p.                    \       /     who holds your hand
> pegasus@crl.com            \     /      when you're alone
> monk@world.std.com          \   /
> the original photo monk      \ /                --patty larkin
>
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definitely not a photo monk, especially since his slr was dumped in a lake.

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date:         fri, 18 oct 1996 16:49:45 -0400
reply-to:     michael reynolds <asl@umcs.maine.edu>
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from:         michael reynolds <asl@umcs.maine.edu>
subject:      archive of last nights show

it is at:
http://www.audionet.com/concerts/honortheearth/earthb.ra or .ram

there is a link from monsterbit.com to it


quick ?
i'm running win95 on a t1 486/dx2/66 8 megs ram -- the sound is so choppy,
shall i install the 16 bit ra2.0? the realaudio player that came with ie 2.0
for win 3.1 works fine, but 2.0 is needed for this file, is it a ram
problem? i did the cache cleaning thing

mike r.

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date:         fri, 18 oct 1996 16:53:05 edt
reply-to:     "joan m. cyr" <jcyr@mit.edu>
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from:         "joan m. cyr" <jcyr@mit.edu>
subject:      i've sent my mail to rosie!

has everyone sent rosie o'donnell email requesting ig as guests?  well,
stop what you're doing and do it right now!

that's all i have to say....thank you.

joni  :>}

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reply-to:     sharoane <sparke61@maine.maine.edu>
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from:         sharoane <sparke61@maine.maine.edu>
subject:      obsessed fan...self titled...uh oh...

i saw me in the list of things that the most obsessed fans did...ack!
i do indeed have a "shrine" on the wall of my room...
i won't go into detail with the rest of my crazy fan stunts,but
i have to say that i've done at least 30 percent of those things...
what does this mean??
   hehe, but i never ever discuss things like eyeglasses or middle names...
and i had the chance to meet the girls but did not.
   anyway, just thought i'd come out from under my rock and post something
besides a complaint...hehe
                             sharoane
                my life is an excercise in intertia

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subject:      a completely newbie question

hey y'all...

i'm hoping that there's some kind soul out there willing to help me out. i
don't have any boots, and would really be interested in some...of course
i'm ignorant as to what would be best, and i don't have anything to trade,
naturally. if someone kind would be willing to tell me a "must have" boot
or a list, and would be willing to copy it for the price of a blank tape
and s&h, i'd appreciate it. i don't know how this is done...so please
excuse me for being so "duh".

thanks!

shanna freeman

sfreeman@coe.uga.edu

            *-.,_,.-*trying to read the greek upon the stars*~''^''~*

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from:         shanna freeman <sfreeman@coe.uga.edu>
subject:      igc: jonas and ezekial

if this has been covered already, i apologize...

at the end of "jonas and ezekial", when emily sings a navajo chant that
i've read on here is supposedly sacred...well, in my elementary school
choir (taught by the woman who intro'd me to the girls) we sang that chant.
i had no idea that it was sacred or only supposed to be used in prayer. all
of the words as i learned it were:

now i walk in beauty
beauty is before me
beauty is behind me
above and below me

we sang it as a round...does anyone know if it is truly supposed to be sacred?

just curious...

shanna

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from:         stgilis@aol.com
subject:      re: attention: emily's solo tape...marianne's dilema???

>after i initially (aboiut a yr ago) posted about having the tape, i heard
>'through the grapevine' that emily does not want the tape circulated.
>as i have replied in many email msgs....  this is my hesitation in
>circulating it.   and until i hear otherwise, i am going to respect that.
>>>
this begs an obvious question...marianne got the tape from someone, and that
person got it from someone, etc., etc.  first, if you knew about emily's
apparent reluctance to let the tape out, why didn't she say that she wanted
to respect emily's feelings about it then, rather than now that she's got it?
and secondly, in this chain by which she got the tape, no one had a problem
copying it, so who is she to abruptly stop the chain?
my two cents (albethem jealous)...
stephen

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subject:      re: braves
x-to:         abaroo@execpc.com

in a message dated 96-10-18 20:27:46 edt, you write:

<< yes, when the crowd set in on the "brave chant" or whatever that obscene
thing is they do, any thoughts i had of a & e enjoying the game vanished.
  >>
yeah..it must suck for a&e (and other progressive atlantan's) to have such
a great home team...with such clueless owners.
(don't even get me started on cleveland ! at least atlanta doesn't
have an extreeeemly offensive logo)

i'm just grateful to be a baseball fan in the pnw !!!

love !
binky

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subject:      amy wearing glasses

        hi y'all...i guess this is almost a me too post (okay, shoot me!)
but i have have also seen amy wearing glasses at a number of sound checks,
but never during a concert...and there are quite a few photos out there that
show this as well...whether or not she wears contacts during a show...don't
know...
        jen

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on sat, 19 oct 1996 mmedido@aol.com wrote:

> in a message dated 96-10-18 20:27:46 edt, you write:
>
> << yes, when the crowd set in on the "brave chant" or whatever that obscene
>  thing is they do, any thoughts i had of a & e enjoying the game vanished.
>   >>
>  yeah..it must suck for a&e (and other progressive atlantan's) to have such
> a great home team...with such clueless owners.
> (don't even get me started on cleveland ! at least atlanta doesn't
> have an extreeeemly offensive logo)
>
> i'm just grateful to be a baseball fan in the pnw !!!


it's amazing that we yankee fans can still root for our team despite the
fact that the name of the team is an anti-northener slur.

i guess i just fail to see how naming a team the indians or the braves is
any more offensive than say the cowboys.

flame away if you must. pc for pc's case serves no one.


peter a. barta
bartap@bulldog.georgetown.edu


"everything that i believe,             "i want to live as an honest man,
crawls from underneath the streets.      to get all i deserve,
everything i truly love,                 and to give all i can,
comes from somewhere high above."        and to love a young woman
                                         that i don't understand."
                        - amy ray
                                                - suzanne vega

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from:         sherri lynn jacobson <slj@csulb.edu>
subject:      you know you're an obsessed fan when...

.....you have mural over the closet in your room of many little calvin and
hobbes-ish looking characters (each with a distinct musical artist look) and
the centerpeice of the mural is amy holding a sign, and emily holding her
dulcimer....

...you know you are even more obsessed when that mural is hanging next to
the "shrine" mentioned in the obsession ii post....

...and 2 guitars (one acoustic and one electro-acoustic) usually sit below
surrounded by all the ig songbooks and cd's

(i'm very guilty of all of this... <hee hee>)


sherri


        i want to die peacefully in my sleep...
        not screaming in terror like my passengers.

                                                        =)


                <<<<<elmo, the small red furry monster>>>>>

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subject:      anne in indiana

in a message dated 96-10-17 15:55:04 edt, you write:

<< anne in indiana >>

"when god made me born a yankee, he was teasin',
there's no place like home, and none more pleasin'

than the southland in the springtime..."

hee hee, i read that email the same time i heard those lyrics and just
couldn't control myself.

love y'all,

amy (born in markle, indiana, but home in galveston, tx)

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subject:      you know you're too obsessed when...

you get your panties or boxers (whatever applies) in a major bunch over a
boot tape that someone luckily has that you don't have (waaaaa) and create a
major pain in the ass disturbance on the list posting back and forth about
whether the boot holder's intentions are pure or selfish and whether everyone
posting on the issue is clueless or not and whether free hearted sharing is
the issue or if it just comes right down to a battle of ego whelding wackos
or well wishing go betweens putting more than the still unacceptable two
cents in for no real good reason!

i apologize for my first rant/flame on this list.  i'm usually very
non-confrontational but
      puuulllllleeeeeeezzzee!  'kay.  take it easy on lil ole me.  does this
mean i'm not a newbie anymore?

i'm made mute by the virtue of decision...maybe,

still love y'all,

amy

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subject:      re: braves

in a message dated 96-10-19 01:24:32 edt, pete writes:

<< i guess i just fail to see how naming a team the indians or the braves is
any more offensive than say the cowboys.

flame away if you must. pc for pc's case serves no one.
  >>

yeah, i had trouble understanding it at first, i mean sure..cowboys,
yankees, fighting irish..whats the diff ? (but redskins ??? wow !
you gotta admit that's bad !)
after listening to more than a few native americans voice
their passionate objection to being portrayed as mascots and
their reasons for it, i became convinced that i needed to
respect their feelings.

when i look at the logo for the cleveland indians i cannot fail
to make the connection between that and cartoon caricatures of
other ethnic groups that are very hurtful and no longer
acceptable in todays society. i'm sorry i don't have any
literature on hand that explains the objection from the point
of view of native peoples but i what i have read and heard
i found very compelling, and far more than 'pc for pc's sake'.

it's an interesting issue and one that i'm reasonably sure
our 'mascots' (a & e) have reflected on.

love !
binky
(who has issues with the term 'pc'....i have always had the nagging
suspicion that it has been coined and used quite effectively to
silence those who are claiming their own voice.)
(and am also insensitve enough to have made fun of
amy's hair cut's on occasion, when i have had far
    more than my share of 'bad hair days' ;)

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subject:      i can't wait for my boot!!!

in a message dated 96-10-17 22:53:16 edt, you write:

<< we are looking for illegal immigrants
can we check your car
i said funny i think we were
the same boat back in 1694


i dont think i saw this mentioned a sa possibility, but it
occurred to me that she might mean that *we* are all the illegal
immigrants taking the land/space from the native peoples. 1694
was a conveneitnly rhyming year for thi verse, but that the point >>


this is too kewl!! i can't wait for my boot!  yes yes...this is almost as
good as...
well, nevermind.

amy

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subject:      you know you're an obsessed fan when...

...you acquire one of amy's guitar picks and put it in a ziploc bag to
preserve the "amy-ness" in it and then put it in your guitar case & never
use it.

...you have a diet coke can amy threw out (i don't have this one, but a
friend does)

- martha

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subject:      all i need to know...

hi everyone,
i just wanted to give my chunk o' knowledge for the list whatever (although
i think that a t-shirt would be much cooler than a poster).
<you have to laugh at yourself, because you'd cry your eyes out if you
didn't>
i don't think that i've seen this one yet, so sorry for the bandwidth if
it's already been posted.
keep on groovin',
ryan
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love that's true,
multiply life by the
power of two."
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subject:      podunkville

>"oh my god, how did whoopi just happen to stop by
>in podunkville and end up in the indigo girls?  _

tucson, arizona is not "podunkville," thank you very much!

-kristen
:)
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subject:      dream...lots of igc if you can pick it out...

well, before i could step into my
first pants leg the phone rang <grrrr> and woke me up.  please, everyone,
give me some closure!  i need to know how it ended.  i mean, did the pants
fit me? <just kidding>  no, really what did emily say or do?  help!!

finishing the dream------------

she liked the blue pants, but they needed tailoring. so the clerk came and
tacked the hem up, 1 2 3 inches.  but you yelled, "ow," when she was pushing
the needle too far.  she got tangled up in blue as you were leaving when the
spool she used on the pants dropped to the ground.  you told emily you
weren't sure about this purchase, but she tried to be truly friendly and
said, "better than hand me downs." she was glad you and finally decided
though, because y'all were trying to get to a book signing by that author the
list has been raving about.  for some reason, some of the road crew and amy
were loitering around in the parking lot, i don't know why...it's a mystery.
it was raining outside too. so amy said, "back on the bus, y'all," and
everyone piled in for the ride.  the rain had covered you with water.
sheddind the wet shopping bags you had used for cover you found a seat and
looked around.  inside the bus, there was a picture of rasputin with a beard
down to his knees on a wall, and michelle was trying to find a hammer and a
nail to tack up a map so she could give a quick lesson on the history of the
u.s. on the way there. it had the states on one side and the world on the
other.  then all of a sudden the nail pops out and the world falls to the
floor. you tell emily that you've been a little down because you asked
someone to a family reunion in nashville next week and they declined because
they had as a kid feared airplanes.  but the person sitting next to them
said, "let it be me." so now you are worried that you'll be lonely forever.
she assures you that love will come to you.  amy starts talking about the
three hits that they've just released off their new cd and the bus gets as
quiet as a ghost.  then someone hollers, "this bus is bound for glory!" and
gets playfully nudged by amy.  then they say they were only joking.  when you
get to where the bookstore is supposed to be you realize that a strange fire
burned it down and the signing has been cancelled.  so they drop you off at
home and wave and say, "fare thee well."  you wave back and say, "thanks
y'all."  and there's a cow out in the middle of the field next to your house,
looking up at the stars (it's late now) mooooing. i realize this is the
wackiest dream story, but it is the least complicated way i could tell it.


and i mean, i don't always have dreams that make any kind of sense so this is
really a possibility in my land of nod.


well, the keeper of my heart is asleep now, and i should be there cuddling
her...


amy

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in a message dated 96-10-19 02:12:40 edt, mmedido@aol.com writes:

>(who has issues with the term 'pc'....i have always had the nagging
>suspicion that it has been coined and used quite effectively to
>silence those who are claiming their own voice.)

   my dad says that people that push "pc" are thought nazis. my 2 pennies...

peace,
margot

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binky and ev'ryone....
on the watershed video, during the "chickenman soundcheck" you can pretty
much make out that amy's wearing glasses.... i think....
-mandy

on fri, 18 oct 1996 mmedido@aol.com wrote:

> in a message dated 96-10-18 11:42:46 edt, denise writes:
>
> << ig question: amy ray wears glasses?? >>
>
> i can't believe i actually did this ...but a friend and i...perplexed over
> the apparent variable eye color of ar (grey or brown ?)...poured
> over the songbook covers (especially rop) in search of the tell tale
> 'contact lense edge' ...and i think it is pretty visible on the rop
> cover...leading us to the conclusion that she uses vision correctors.
> ...but we could be wrong.....
>
> love !
> binky (president and queen mother : the society for the easily amused)
> (who never got realaudio to work but set it up 15 times last night !)
> (*unless maybe the show went like this "thankyou for choosing
>  realaudio bla bla bla".........was that a or e ?)
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subject:      re: tattoo

hi 'all :)

finally found the file i was looking for about amy's tattoo...here is what
was on the list about it:

from the ig faq:

1)  what's the deal with amy's tattoo?

  niki pantelias said in a november 1990 posting to the mailing list:
   "...amy specifically said (i was there) that the tattoo is 'the sioux
    indian symbol for love inside a hand...basically it means love.'"

(niki pantelias was an early member of the mailing list and former indigo
girls list administrator)

and...

from fashion magazine (date unknown, but it refers to "the recently
released indigo girls, their first album on a major label"):

        "this is spiritual, and it's blue for charity; this is compassion;
this
        is intellectual grounding; this is the love of the earth; this is the
        center of the soul..." amy ray is explaining the small tattoo on the
        inside of her forearm...

the article was written by jocelyn craugh.

hope that helped.

the e-mail was from deb r.

jude :)

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> my dad says that people that push "pc" are thought nazis. my 2 pennies...

i think that comparing attempts to make the english language reflect
respect for all people to nazism is highly offensive to anyone who survived
the holocaust (and i did not, so i cannot say for certain).

btw, anyone who questions the significance of nonsexist language should read
douglas hofstadter's essay "a person paper on linguistic purity", published
in his book _metamagical themas_ (basic books, 1985). i will happy to make
a photocopy for anyone who sends a self-addressed, stamped envelope to me at
p.o. box 620414, newton lower falls, ma 02162.

kirsten

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subject:      ig mondegreen in the sf chronicle

how nice to start the day of an ig concert with an ig reference in the
newspaper.  in an article on the inaugural game for the san jose lasers
(women's professional basketball team), steve kettman of the chronicle
writes:

the cranked-up music that has become inescapable at sporting events may
never have been as meaningful as it was during the first half when the
p.a. system ripped loose with the indigo girls singing "...the less i
search my soul for some infinity, the closer i am to finding it."

the thought was nice, and actually it's not bad as a lyric (though it
doesn't scan).

by the way, i'm new to the list, so i'm not sure if the list has been
introduced to the concept of mondegreens.  the term was popularized by
another sf chronicle writer jon carroll, and refers to the mishearing
of a music lyric in an entertaining or confusing manner.  the
ur-mondegreen came from mr. carroll who heard an old folk ballad where
the usual murdering occurs, and is supposed to conclude with the killer
having "laid them on the green."  carroll thought the phrase was "lady
mondegreen" and for the longest time wondered who she was and why she
got killed too.  he collects mondegreens and publishes a slew of them
every year.  now he can cite to his own paper.

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subject:      re: you know your an obsessed ig fan when....

while waiting for bewitched to come on at midnight, you scan the tv guide,
see a movie entitled "dracula : prince of darkness" and automatically turn it
on :)  if that's not enough, you catch the last three minutes of the movie
and are thrilled b/c not only does it discuss running water (watershed!!!)
but an actor's last name is ray and the production company is hammer
productions!!!!  :)  (yes, i really do have a life, y'all who know me vouch
for me, i just sometimes get caught up in midnight television!!! ;)
katy

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subject:      re: braves

not a flame, but i think that real cowboys probably lived in dallas at one
time or another. at least there is some regional significance to the name.
i live in minnesota where many people of nordic descent still reside, hence
the vikings. i think some native americans are justifiably (sp?) opposed to
baseless stereotyping and caricature of their heritage. just my opinion.

connie

>it's amazing that we yankee fans can still root for our team despite the
>fact that the name of the team is an anti-northener slur.
>
>i guess i just fail to see how naming a team the indians or the braves is
>any more offensive than say the cowboys.
>
>flame away if you must. pc for pc's case serves no one.
>
>
>
>
>peter a. barta
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>
>
>"everything that i believe,             "i want to live as an honest man,
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>everything i truly love,                 and to give all i can,
>comes from somewhere high above."        and to love a young woman
>                                         that i don't understand."
>                        - amy ray
>                                                - suzanne vega
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dear iglisters,
last night i blessed with the chance to see sherman alexie read his
poetry anda passage from _indian killer_ at the wonderful prairie lights
in iowa city.  i promised him i would post about him to the list, since
this is where i learned about his work.

he was so funny that the hundreds of college students, professors, and
people from around town packed into the small room practically lifted the
roof off of the building with laughter.  he was so passionate that tears
ran down my cheeks on several occasions.  more?  he was strong, had an
incredibly compelling presence, and converted more than one high school
student forced to go on a friday night into a fan.  his poetry is
brilliant (he read "defending walt whitman" and one other) and he reads
it as if he were performing a spoken word piece.  everybody go out and
buy his books!  he mentioned the girls and the hte tour too (that's the
ligc).

now, the braves/pc thing.
number one: the united states, as alexie said last night,
is just as much a colony as is south africa; european-americans have
been perpetrating genocidal acts against native american peoples for
over 500 years.  slavery, blankets deliberately infected with smallpox,
land stealing, outright warfare, uranium mining--these are all but a few
small examples of what the european immigrants to this land (from alaska
to tierra del fuego) have forced upon its indigenous human populations.
but instead of rectifying our horrific crimes in whatever way possible,
like for instance honoring treaties or giving back land or stopping
destructive mining practices or bringing about economic justice,
we romanticize and exoticize native americans by calling our sports teams
"indians" "braves" "chiefs" etc.    furthermore, we steal what little we
know about native american spiritual practices and use them to make us
feel "closer" to the earth--and once again, fail to address the
injustices which occur right now.  i'm not even going to discuss the
"tomahawk chop" utilized by the braves and chiefs; that seems too obvious
to need elaboration.

number two: use of the term "pc" to silence people who disagree with you
is a tactic advocated oh-so-well by people in power who want to ensure that
working class and middle class whites do not start to form alliances or
coalitions with people of color and poor people.  the more we can be kept
divided by the perjorative term "pc" (among many other much more concrete
examples), the less the ruling class has to fear.  i'm sorry that some
people have jumped onto this bandwagon.  there is more to treating people with
respect than simply calling them by the names they give to themselves, or
respecting the ways in which they want to define themselves, but you
could try starting there.

i think the indigo girls, especially amy ray, would further advocate some
research into the history of oppression in this country before giving a
knee-jerk reaction about "why can't i call my team its name!?  who are
these stupid pc people anyway?"  read up, think, and then if after all of
that you still feel that native americans aren't oppressed and don't have
the right to control imagery based on themselves, then heck, go ahead and
make the decision to do that darn tomahawk chop thing, support disney's
"pocahontas," buy tony hillerman instead of sherman alexie or chrystos,
get that new "jeep cherokee," buy crazy horse malt liquor, etc.

--suzi steffen
dept. of art and art history
university of iowa
ssteffen@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu

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in a message dated 96-10-19 11:55:54 edt, connie writes:

<< i live in minnesota where many people of nordic descent still reside,
hence
the vikings.  >>

yeah ! i was thinking anout the vikings, because i'm mostly of scandanavian
descent and the name doesn't offend me....so i thought....

okay what if norway had been invadad by a bunch of people from
another continent ? they were nice at first (or maybe not) then threw
us off of our land ..............
( here....you take the really shitty land...we need the good stuff...)
murdered us, stripped away our culture.......
(no jokes about 'what norwegian culture' ? please) and language,
forced our kids to go to boarding schools where they were taught
that 'everything norweigan is bad' (but we will try to save your souls).
we sat by while for years we were portrayed as sub human
villans or faithfull side kicks in the media ("count alphonse saves
penelope from the evil and stupid (but sometimes cunning)
norweigan hordes yet again , assisted by his trusty sidekick bjorge")

then they started naming their sports teams after us...
the oslo vikings (but they probably would have changed the
name of oslo to skeeterton...so....the skeeterton vikings).

yeah, i'd be resentful and pretty much pissed.

just trying to understand.....
:)
love !
bjornkee
"yasureyoubetcha !"

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s. steffen wrote:

> number two: use of the term "pc" to silence people who disagree with you
> is a tactic advocated oh-so-well by people in power who want to ensure that
> working class and middle class whites do not start to form alliances or
> coalitions with people of color and poor people.  the more we can be kept
> divided by the perjorative term "pc" (among many other much more concrete
> examples), the less the ruling class has to fear.  i'm sorry that some
> people have jumped onto this bandwagon.  there is more to treating people with
> respect than simply calling them by the names they give to themselves, or
> respecting the ways in which they want to define themselves, but you
> could try starting there.
why not start with concrete policies to rectify economic justice and
preserve what native american culture still remains? how exactly do you
thing renaming sports teams really helps those who were the victims of
genocide on this continent two hundred years ago? does it ease the pain
of their descendents? does it help combat the alcoholism, poverty and
other problems facing the native american community.
treating others with respect is admirable. not using slurs which are
dehumanizing is part of that respect. however, there is a line where
focusing on language instead of issues serves to trivialize the problems
of the people you're seeking to help. in the scheme of things, the use of
a smiling indian as a baseball's team's logo is virtually meaningless,
especially when compared with more substantial issues.

> i think the indigo girls, especially amy ray, would further advocate some
> research into the history of oppression in this country before giving a
> knee-jerk reaction about "why can't i call my team its name!?  who are
> these stupid pc people anyway?"  read up, think, and then if after all of
> that you still feel that native americans aren't oppressed and don't have
> the right to control imagery based on themselves, then heck, go ahead
and...

stupid? knee-jerk? is this coming from the same person who a few lines
earlier wrote that the use of a perjorative term to silence those who
disagree with you is regrettable? not very consistent.
perhaps the above paragraph was directed at me. if so, it's not very
credible. i have a ba in history. i've taken the courses, i've read up on
native american history. i know plenty about the oppression which nearly
destroyed them.
still, i maintain that there are more important things to take care of
first. if every sports team were to change its name to something more pc
tommorow, the day to day life of your average native american would not
improve in any appreciable manner. right the wrongs, then worry about the
trivial.


peter a. barta
bartap@bulldog.georgetown.edu


"everything that i believe,             "i want to live as an honest man,
crawls from underneath the streets.      to get all i deserve,
everything i truly love,                 and to give all i can,
comes from somewhere high above."        and to love a young woman
                                         that i don't understand."
                        - amy ray
                                                - suzanne vega

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in a message dated 96-10-19 12:57:47 edt, peter writes:

<< treating others with respect is admirable. not using slurs which are
dehumanizing is part of that respect. however, there is a line where
focusing on language instead of issues serves to trivialize the problems
of the people you're seeking to help. in the scheme of things, the use of
a smiling indian as a baseball's team's logo is virtually meaningless,
especially when compared with more substantial issues. >>

yes ! you make a very good point here, peter !
i wouldn't be suprised if this very issue has been
raised within' the native american community.

i think the argument to this would be that language is a very
fundamental and powerful tool in our culture. changing the
cultural pardigms which perpetuate certain thought  patterns
that help maintain the 'real life' problems that are facing
indigenous people are essential along with battling
for more concrete social and economic change.

as far as the smiling indian logo....i heard it put this
way....remember those old cartoon caricatures of
"little black sambo"? well stick that on a ball cap, call the
team the cleveland 'negros', and ask the black
community how they feel about it......thats how
a lot of native americans feel about the logo.
( that's the argument i've heard from n. a. activists.)

a lot of folks used to think that amos and andy and
steppn' fetchit' were just comedy and therefore trivial..
but it turned out that they reinforced stereotypes that
negatively affected the black community in very real ways.

sorry for going on about this...but there was an honor 1
release party the other night and the world series is gonna
be in atlanta (home of the goddesses)...and the team is
under fire from native american activists, so this will probably
come up some time during the series....i think it's an
interesting debate...plus saturdays are usually pretty slow
around the list <g>.

bjornkee

( ps___ peter, the reason that i didn't c/c you a copy is because
a: after careful consideration i decided that this qualified as an
official list topic (for the above reasons) and..
b: because if i did that you would get two copies which is
probably not necessary :)
good points though, i definitely see your reasoning and it
has a certain validity !

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>
> it's amazing that we yankee fans can still root for our team despite the
> fact that the name of the team is an anti-northener slur.
>
> i guess i just fail to see how naming a team the indians or the braves is
> any more offensive than say the cowboys.
>

actually, without regard for their comical massgot, the indians' name was
changed to indians in honor of native americans when they became the first major
league team w/ an indian (native american) on their roster. notice also that
the cowboys massgot anit to authenic either.  i can see where redskins might
be an annoying name, but braves, i think, is a complementary name.

btw, yankees is not a slur.  damn yankees, now that's a slur. humm..,
should that be hyphenated?

:)  trant

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whoops..just my dollar and eighty...three...oh never mind.
ben

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date:         sat, 19 oct 1996 15:52:40 edt
reply-to:     oh susanna <oh.susanna@dartmouth.edu>
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from:         "susan b. marine" <susan.b.marine@dartmouth.edu>
subject:      power, mascots, etc. my thoughts

--- you wrote:
>it's amazing that we yankee fans can still root for our team despite the
>fact that the name of the team is an anti-northener slur.
>
>i guess i just fail to see how naming a team the indians or the braves is
>any more offensive than say the cowboys.
>
>flame away if you must. pc for pc's case serves no one.
--- end of quoted material ---
peter ,

i have given this issue a bit of thought since the big scandal right now at
dartmouth is the fact that some of the conservative students want to change the
school's mascot back to the indian...and they are wondering why the native
american students are really upset about it.

my understanding oif the issue from talking to soem students (native american)
is that using the indian as the mascot is offensive to them , because it is
presumed that the indian then is a warrior, a bloodletter, and vicious.

as far as i know, the yankees (northerners, as you say) are not an oppressed
group (i guess i am one now, so i would know). nor are cowboys. so, objecting
to the name "atlanta braves" is not the same thing, because native
americans/american indians are an oppressed group in america, and thus are
already at a disadvantage from a power perspective.

also, i am not sure what the braves mascot look like, but the cleveland indians
mascot is horrendous.....a red-faced winking idiot with large teeth that is
*supposed* to be an indian? ugh, it makes me shudder just thinking about it.

pc for pc's sake helps noone? i agree. but using correct terminology and not
perpetuating baseless sterotypes helps everyone.  think a little more about
power in america, and who has it and who doesn't.

susanna as usual :)
.

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subject:      re: <repost> emily dream
x-to:         "sheri e. allen" <seaphish@aol.com>
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on fri, 18 oct 1996, sheri e. allen wrote:

> i guess i was shopping for pants and i had about 5 pair in different colors
> that i was carrying to this room.  when i got there, emily was sitting on a
> chair, legs crossed, wearing a blue and grey horizontally striped shirt and
> jeans and sneakers.  she was smiling at me but didn't say anything.  it
> seemed like she was there to offer advice and support for my pants-trying-on
> (which by the way is always very traumatic for me for certain reasons).  oh
> my god!  was emily working at the gap? ;)  well, before i could step into my
> first pants leg the phone rang <grrrr> and woke me up.  please, everyone,
> give me some closure!  i need to know how it ended.  i mean, did the pants
> fit me? <just kidding>  no, really what did emily say or do?  help!!


        she was probably going to tell you to buy the purple ones.  ;)

                                                        tuesday's child

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from:         jen hall <jchall@earthlink.net>
subject:      re: <repost> emily dream

> > first pants leg the phone rang <grrrr> and woke me up.  please,
everyone,
> > give me some closure!  i need to know how it ended.  i mean, did the
pants
> > fit me? <just kidding>  no, really what did emily say or do?  help!!
>
>
>         she was probably going to tell you to buy the purple ones.  ;)
>
>                                                         tuesday's child

or perhaps, if emily didn't like any that you tried on - she was going to
whip out a pair of cow pants... :~)

braves, indians, vikings, yankees - - who cares.  i want the braves to win
simply because a&e are from atlanta. (and i was born/raised in ny!)
- jen hall

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date:         sat, 19 oct 1996 21:47:04 +0100
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from:         indigo jo <mts5@aber.ac.uk>
subject:      re: braves
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on sat, 19 oct 1996, todd & connie tsuchiya wrote:

> not a flame, but i think that real cowboys probably lived in dallas at one
> time or another. at least there is some regional significance to the name.
> i live in minnesota where many people of nordic descent still reside, hence
> the vikings. i think some native americans are justifiably (sp?) opposed to
> baseless stereotyping and caricature of their heritage. just my opinion.

you mean the vikings settled in minnesota?   i read somewhere that the only
vikings to attempt to colonise america did so on the east coast of canada,
and were booted out by the natives ...

mat

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from:         "kim: goddess in her own reality" <rcn@prcn.org>
subject:      re: power, mascots, etc. my thoughts

i've been reading all the debate on this issue with much interest, but did a
double take when
at 03:52 pm 10/19/96 edt, susan wrote:
>the cleveland indians
>mascot is horrendous.....a red-faced winking idiot with large teeth that is
>*supposed* to be an indian? ugh, it makes me shudder just thinking about it.

it was the "ugh" that startled me into laughter... then made me horrified
with myself... sigh... i never know when to laugh or be serious...
peace all... kim who has been part of a minority all her life and wishes
there were simple answers.
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subject:      re: <repost> emily dream

on fri, 18 oct 1996, sheri e. allen wrote:

> i guess i was shopping for pants and i had about 5 pair in different colors
> that i was carrying to this room.  when i got there, emily was sitting on a
> chair, legs crossed, wearing a blue and grey horizontally striped shirt and
> jeans and sneakers.  she was smiling at me but didn't say anything.  it
> seemed like she was there to offer advice and support for my pants-trying-on
> (which by the way is always very traumatic for me for certain reasons).  oh
> my god!  was emily working at the gap? ;)  well, before i could step into my
> first pants leg the phone rang <grrrr> and woke me up.  please, everyone,
> give me some closure!  i need to know how it ended.  i mean, did the pants
> fit me? <just kidding>  no, really what did emily say or do?  help!!

you want closure??? well...your choice of words is interesting, because
there in lie the the subconscious hints that you're not picking up on:)
emily was going to tell you that not only were you not yet wearing those
pants... but your fly was open too:) no wonder the whole ordeal is traumatic
for you:)
peace...kim.
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subject:      new hampshire boot

hi everyone,

i've been hearing alot about this new hampshire boot lately.  i was
wondering if anyone was willing to work out a trade.  please get back to
me.  thanks y'all!!!!


                                        jonny

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from:         lisa on the prairie <nordeelm@caa.mrs.umn.edu>
subject:      re: braves

on sat, 19 oct 1996 21:47:04 +0100, indigo jo wrote:

>on sat, 19 oct 1996, todd & connie tsuchiya wrote:
>
>> i live in minnesota where many people of nordic descent still reside, hence
>> the vikings. i think some native americans are justifiably (sp?) opposed to
>> baseless stereotyping and caricature of their heritage. just my opinion.
>
>you mean the vikings settled in minnesota?   i read somewhere that the only
>vikings to attempt to colonise america did so on the east coast of canada,
>and were booted out by the natives ...

actually, there are a lot of people who believe that the vikings had a
small community in the middle of mn long before any other europeans got
here.  not too far from where i live there is a whole museum devoted to the
kensington ruinstone.  this big flat rock with writing on it was supposedly
left by the vikings when they lived here.  a lot of people think it's a
hoax, who knows.  :)

as for teams being named after native americans, mn passed a state law
requiring high schools to have non-offensive mascots.  some of the
reservation schools still use "wariors" and "braves", though.  mn also made
name changes to all the lakes, rivers, ponds, creeks, etc. with the word
"squaw" in it because it was originally used as a derogatory word toward
women.  fyi

lisa

lisa nordeen
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university of minnesota, morris
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from:         ursula wood <meandig2@aol.com>
subject:      amy and glasses

hi there! i am new to the list and have been browsing the last few days! glad
to be here!!! thought i would throw my two cents in on whether or not amy
wears glasses or not!! on the "watershed" video during the segment when she
is on stage doing a sound check on the song "chickenman", amy is wearing
glasses!!!

ursula

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subject:      fwd: music stuff [sorry but i thought it was cute...] (nigc)

hello! =)  my mom sent me this; i thought some of you might get a little kick
out of it... i, myself, would like to start a band like #5.  i'm going to
play the kazoo.  anyone want to play? ;)  peace, love, and bad sarah for
wasting space (again), sarah

> >             top ten most annoying crossovers in music
>  >
>  > (some from allmusic discussion list)
>  >
>  > 10. industrial christian rock
>  >
>  > 9. gansta country
>  >
>  > 8. grunge disco
>  >
>  > 7. classical thrash
>  >
>  > 6. doo-wop rap
>  >
>  > 5. speed gospel
>  >
>  > 4. soft metal
>  >
>  > 3. polka blues
>  >
>  > 2. techno-death mamba
>  >
>  > 1. new age opera


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forwarded message:
from:   bkwatl@atl.mindspring.com (barbara wiegmann)
to:     sanawike1@aol.com (sarah)
date: 96-10-19 10:18:07 edt

i don't get this, but i thought being the musical guru that you are, you
would..
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subject:      (nigc)attn. agnes scott and emory students

   i need help hanging up michelle malone flyers on both campuses. i am not
familiar with either school and do not want to waste hours looking for
bulletin boards and prime telephone poles. if you have a little time to spare
sun. or mon. evening id appreciate the help.
                                    katherine

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subject:      indigo books

hi,

i am new and am looking for a book about the indigo girls.  not a
song or guitar book.  just info.  does anyone know of any good books
maybe with some pictures?  i've been looking without much luck.
thanks.

dawn

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from:         sasha friedman <indigofrk@aol.com>
subject:      tape trading

hi everyone...
just seeing if anyone was interested in trading with me..i got some stuff,
but i' always looking for more.....(especially world cafe and honor the earth
: )   anyways...so if anyone has anything they want to share or trade let me
know.

peace
sasha

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from:         janinsdale@aol.com
subject:      re: podunkville
x-to:         kristen@u.arizona.edu

in a message dated 96-10-19 03:12:54 edt, kristen@u.arizona.edu (kristen)
writes:

>
>>"oh my god, how did whoopi just happen to stop by
>>in podunkville and end up in the indigo girls?  _
>
>tucson, arizona is not "podunkville," thank you very much!

yea!  dont make fun of
arizona!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
you tell 'um, kristen!

jan in scottsdale!

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from:         jendy <edwina@jax-inter.net>
subject:      re: braves

hey y'all! i live in jacksonville and our nfl team is the jaguars. this
really offends me. not all jaguars are ferocious animals as everyone makes
them out to be. i saw one in a zoo once and he was kind of nice. he just sat
there and didn't do anything. why do people generalize their nature as being
one of ferocity? they're not all like that. it just really makes me angry!
i'm sorry. animals have feelings too, you know.

jendy

p.s. don't flame. i was only kiddin' :)

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from:         sunny <sun@swcp.com>
subject:      re: tattoo

>hi 'all :)
>
>finally found the file i was looking for about amy's tattoo...here is what
>was on the list about it:
>
>>from the ig faq:
>
>1)  what's the deal with amy's tattoo?
>
>  niki pantelias said in a november 1990 posting to the mailing list:
>   "...amy specifically said (i was there) that the tattoo is 'the sioux
>    indian symbol for love inside a hand...basically it means love.'"
>
>(niki pantelias was an early member of the mailing list and former indigo
>girls list administrator)
>
>and...
>
>>from fashion magazine (date unknown, but it refers to "the recently
>released indigo girls, their first album on a major label"):
>
>        "this is spiritual, and it's blue for charity; this is compassion;
>this
>        is intellectual grounding; this is the love of the earth; this is the
>        center of the soul..." amy ray is explaining the small tattoo on the
>        inside of her forearm...
>
>the article was written by jocelyn craugh.
>
>hope that helped.
>
>the e-mail was from deb r.
>
>jude :)


    yup.  :)  the first time i met amy in sant fe i asked her about her
tatoo.  she told me that someone had given her a book of symbols and she
put the tatoo together from that.    it's all coming together....


                        --sunny

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subject:      hte show in la

hey y'all,

    with all this discussion about the recent hte show in la, i was
wondering if anyone had a chance to boot the show and if they were
interested in trading
(i have tons of stuff to trade).  lemme know.

                        --sunny

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from:         camille kearl <sasscambo@msn.com>
subject:      michelle malone/lucy kaplansky/boot request

sorry about that subject line but i do not post that often and usually wait
until i have a few things to say before doing so.  okay, here is the deal
regarding michelle malone--i found a used cd of mm and drag the
river--'relentless' and was just wondering if anyone would like to work out a
trade for some ig boots or something.  this cd is out of print and no longer
available.  perry at rdr is willing to give me credit for it as he can sell it
for $20.00.  the bottom line is i would rather offer it to someone on the list
for some trades or something rather than sell it to perry and have any
interested list member pay even more for it.  i love perry and all and i will
trade it to him if no one is interested but i thought i would ask.

fyi for those who have recently bought lucy kaplansky's new album called
'flesh and bone'    i saw her tonight in concert and she was great!  she
mentioned that the cd has a hidden track on it and explained how to find it.
when you are on song 1, go to the beginning and then hold the rew. button
down--the cd has a hidden track before the first song--she said, "yeah, it is
kind of like that paul is dead thing, and it happens to be a paul mccartney
song"   anyway, i saw someone on this list refer to this great cd the other
day and thought i would pass on this little bit of fyi.

finally, i am just wondering if any 'kind friend' out there would be willing
to trade a couple of boots with me. i have quite a decent ig and me
collection.  i am looking specifically for the dug out and  the white dot.
let me know if you are willing to help me out here.
thanks much,
cami

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subject:      nigc-the world series...

hey ya'll-

what to do what to do.........

i am a yankee fan since birth who grew up watching wtbs and then ended up kissin an atlanta boy.....

i am so torn.

karrie, who has recovered mildly from the angst and turmoil in her life because
she got 1) a paycheck finally!  and 2)  her ig list shirt!!!   thanks deb!

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subject:      nigc: nightmare duets (humor)

hey, y'all!  (feels good to say "y'all" -- i just move to washington, dc
from atlanta, and boy, do i miss my beloved georgia!)

i chuckled heartily at the top ten worst music crossovers, and thought i'd
bring up another category that some friends and i used to try to come up with
examples of:  nightmare duets.  for example:

the oak ridge boys and madonna team up for "you've got a friend"
snoop doggy dogg and enya team up for "stand by me"

you get the idea!  see if you can come up with some more!  since this is the
indigo girls list, you might want to have an ig theme to your responses.

here's one to get you started:

tom jones and trisha yearwood team up for "closer to fine"

have fun!

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subject:      ig & strange places we hear them

i am listening to talk radio this morning. the kerry (sp?) brothers and
their home fix-it show "on the house" happens to be on the air right now.
they just came back from the commercial break playing "hammer & nail" (the
entire chorus). as they faded the song out one of the brothers said "some
lively music to get you rolling on a weekend morning!" but he didn't say
it was the indigo girls. boo. oh well, thought it was neat-o anyway.
:)

kristina

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subject:      pants dreams (nigc)

--- you wrote:

        she was probably going to tell you to buy the purple ones.  ;)
--- end of quoted material ---
nope, sundara already bought those

wink

sus

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subject:      re: marianne's dilemma

stephen, ya hit the nail right on the head... that was precisely what i was
trying to say... the fact that marianne has the tape--- but knows somehow
that emily doesn't, (or didn't till now, maybe?), want it traded...  why did
she accept it in the first place?  anyway, i am in no way demanding that i
get a copy -- i couldn't care less, actually.  i probably shouldn't have even
posted my original message...  it was a bit flip -- i was in a bad mood that
day... i usually don't bite like that, i promise.  my opinion on the whole
thing is just that it all sounds like a very silly situation, that's all --
marianne has the tape, but obviously isn't a close personal friend of
emily's, (or she'd be able to ask her what the origins of the tape are); and
she somehow got her hands on a copy of the tape, knowing that emily didn't
want it shared...  thereby violating the very principle that she's now trying
to uphold.
see, i wasn't posting out of jealouy --  i was just poking fun at a rather
goofy situation.  sorry if i offended, (obviously i did, judging by the # of
flames i received), but those of you who took offense misinterpreted the gist
of my original post...
no hard feelings?
:) lisa

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subject:      alcatraz concert - i met amy (briefly)

i'll follow this with a concert review, but i wanted to tell my amy
story first.  after the alcatraz concert, everybody takes the same boat
back to san francisco (even the park rangers).  amy and emily had the
area by the bridge on the top deck set aside as their space, which was
respected.  however, on their way through the boat to the bridge, they
did stop to chat with a few folks.  as amy was finishing an autograph
for someone else, i got her attention.  then when she was done, i
handed her a copy of the san francisco chronicle article that had
referenced/mangled the playing of closer to fine at the women's
basketball game on friday (see my post of yesterday ig mondegreen in sf
chronicle).  i had cut out the article, attempted to mount it, and
highlighted the ig reference.  our conversation went roughly as
follows:

me: i just wanted to give you this.  it your coverage in the sports
section of the san francisco chronicle.

amy: the sports section?

me:  yeah, they played closer to fine at the women's basketball game in
san jose, and the chronicle covered it.

amy:  oh yeah, the pro league.

me:  it was san jose and atlanta playing.

amy:  cool, thanks a lot.

me: and thank you for the great new songs.

i thought about angling for an autograph of the honor cd, but it would
have been a hassle.  it was dark, and amy was carrying cameras, so i
passed on it.  i don't think a or e emerged from their area during the
ride back to san francisco.

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subject:      trades anyone?

hey ya'll....

my mailbox is starting to have withdrawls...that usual rush of padded =
envelopes seems to have come to a standstill...
anyway, i would love to get some more trades going...i've got video =
boots as well as audio, so that's an option.  anyone interested please =
let me know before i throw a tantrum or do something else entirely too =
dramatic for my own good.

...sun in my eyes...
greta

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subject:      trades!

hey everyone,

i was wondering if anybody out there had a copy of the ig cover of ferron's
song "it won't take long"  i have plenty of stuff to trade and would be
willing to swap for a copy of that song!!!  thanks much!!!

you know you are an obsessed ig fan when you are unemployed but you spend
your last $20 in the world on a copy of 1200 curfews!

ursula

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sometimes i feel arizona is like podunkville. it can get pretty boring
around here. but i figure it could be worse. i could live in tuscon.go
sundevils!

ben in tempe
!

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subject:      re: marianne's dilemma

in a message dated 96-10-20 11:38:28 edt, weenracer writes:

<< anyway, i am in no way demanding that i
get a copy -- >>

well  i  am !!!!!!!
      ^^
i demand a copy !!!

                   right now missy !!!!!!!!!!

(hee, hee)

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at 11:35 am 10/20/1996 -0400, you wrote:
>stephen, ya hit the nail right on the head... that was precisely what i was
>trying to say... the fact that marianne has the tape--- but knows somehow
>that emily doesn't, (or didn't till now, maybe?), want it traded...  why did
>she accept it in the first place?  anyway, i am in no way demanding that i
>get a copy -- i couldn't care less, actually.  i probably shouldn't have even
>posted my original message...  it was a bit flip -- i was in a bad mood that
>day... i usually don't bite like that, i promise.  my opinion on the whole
>thing is just that it all sounds like a very silly situation, that's all --
> marianne has the tape, but obviously isn't a close personal friend of
>emily's, (or she'd be able to ask her what the origins of the tape are); and
>she somehow got her hands on a copy of the tape, knowing that emily didn't
>want it shared...  thereby violating the very principle that she's now trying
>to uphold.
>see, i wasn't posting out of jealouy --  i was just poking fun at a rather
>goofy situation.  sorry if i offended, (obviously i did, judging by the # of
>flames i received), but those of you who took offense misinterpreted the gist
>of my original post...
>no hard feelings?
>:) lisa
to set the record straight (and i beleive that i have stated this in the
past!)
i received the tape (unsolicited, obviously since i had never heard of it
before!) from the studio where it was recorded.

marianne

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subject:      alcatraz review (long)
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              i.did.not.tape.the.show.i.wish.i@ix.netcom.com

could have, but for a variety of reasons (including no equipment) i
didn't.

    the show was wonderful.  joan baez and dar williams were on the
bill with a & e.  too short, but i would say that if it lasted all
night.  the music ran from about 6:45 pm to 8:35 pm, so just under 2
hours.  the structure was a fully integrated four performer show, with
about a third of the songs done by all four, and the remainder done by
various subsets.  the setlist as best i can reconstruct it is as
follows (some of the song titles are guesses, even for the ig stuff, i
don't know the new material):

don't think twice, it's all right (all 4)
water is wide (all 4)
i'm aging well (dar and joan)
dar song  (dar solo)
february (dar solo)
ramblin' round (all 4 - amy on slide)
long bed from kenya (joan solo)
play me backwards (joan with percussionist who soloed)
railroad boy (?) (mimi farina, joan, a & e)
shame on you (a & e) this is the song with the line about 1694
pull out a map (a on mandolin, e on banjo)
it's all right
dangling conversation (dar and joan)
welcome me (joan, a & e)
blood quantum (a & e w/gabe harris -joan's son- on percussion
family (all 4)
encore-god of all nations (all 4 acapella)

    the event started with a leisurely ferry ride over from san
francisco starting a 3:50.  leisurely because they needed to stall us.
they didn't want us there until 5.  it was a beautiful day to be on the
bay, so we didn't mind.  also, for about half the trip, joan baez sr
(joan and mimi's mom) were sitting with us.  we had fun chatting about
the sights on the bay, raising kids (my wife and i have two), and why
she gave her eldest child her name (she wanted to see her name
continue, so if men could do it...).

    next came a tour of alcatraz, not a big deal for me since i'd done
it last year.  but my experience came in handy, because i knew to skip
out on the end of the tour to get in line for seats.  while standing in
line, i got to hear the end of the soundcheck (don't think twice, and
some ig stuff i couldn't pick out because everyone else in line was
chatting).  my manuevering paid off also with my wife and i getting two
of the best of the "cheap" seats.  12th row center.  perfect sight
lines and sound.  location matters a lot because the music is in the
prison cafeteria, not a place designed for music.  the crowd was,
roughly speaking, 1/3rds obvious ig fans and 2/3rds san francisco
cultural supporters.  the concert was a benefit for the bread and roses
foundation, a nonprofit founded by mimi farina to bring music and other
entertainment to institutionalized people throughout northern
california.  they put on about 400-500 shows a year in nursing homes,
detention facilities, homeless shelters and other such facilities.

    as we waited for the music, we saw a beautiful sunset out the
cafeteria windows.  enchanting and eerie when one thinks of the
island's history.

    the first two songs blew everyone away.  don't think twice was
spirited, impassioned and filled with delightful harmonies.  everyone
sang a verse, and they sang the last verse together.  the water is wide
may have been the finest musical moment of the night.  again everyone
sang a verse, then for the final chorus they achieved a glorious vocal
blend that transported us all.  david crosby has often spoken of the
power of blended voices he has tried to achieve.  on this song, we
heard it at its finest.

    next came dar's mini-set, which was a delight.  it was the first
time i'd seen her (as it was for much of the audience), but she easily
won us over.  my only minor quibble is she occasionally jams a few two
many syllables into a line (of course the igs never do that).  february
was particularly wonderful in capturing a new england winter (i
remember them well.

    ramblin' round treated woody gutherie's song with respect and
vigor.  amy was out front for this one, both with her slide and her
singing.  next came joan's mini-set, which was fine, but not the high
point of the night.  her percussionist flew out from brooklyn for the
show, and provided strong support on a variety of songs, but her solo
on play me backwards diffused the song's tension. inviting mimi out for
an old folk ballad was a nice touch, appreciated by all.

    the ig's mini-set was great.  this was my first time hearing almost
all these songs, so my reactions are colored by not knowing them in
advance.  hopefully this also excuses my butchering the song titles.
shame on you was my favorite.  i love the way amy is diversifying her
musical palette.  the mexican/norteno feel to the music fits the song
perfectly and gives it a wonderful drive.  and it's so obvious she
loves playing it.  pull out a map was fine and heartfelt.  it paled a
little in comparison to the songs before and after.  it's all right was
a powerhouse.  this is amy laying it all on the line with a hook stolen
from the rolling stones.  i love it.  the song was enlivened by emily's
pickup coming unplugged half way through the song (she was getting
pretty lively up there).  they stopped briefly, plugged back in, and
went straight back to the chorus which started, of course, "it's all
right".  a & e almost cracked up completely on that line.  the audience
totally lost it.

    welcome me with joan was intensely hypnotic.  joan sang the first
two verses, amy the third.  joan set the stage with grace and power.
amy added the edge.  it was collaboration at its finest.  then,
speaking of collaboration, amy introduced blood quantum as a rare
collaboration between her and emily on a song.  she also plugged the
honor cd and remembered the indian led occupation of alcatraz in the
early 70's.  i'd heard this song for the first time earlier in the day
when i picked up honor.  live, the power was amplified as the charge of
genocide rang out, as it did with the closing chorus.

    family (led by dar) and god of all nations were appropriate and
heartfelt closers.  before family, each performer thanked their family
members in the audience (including joan's mom), then thoughtfully
included us in their family for the night.

    one general note.  mimi observed at the start of the show that were
receiving a unique show.  all the musicians came to alcatraz the day
before to rehearse and work out arrangements.  the effort showed and
paid off tremendously.  the vocal interplay was fabulous throughout,
and the instrumental work fit together like a glove.  emily had plenty
of room for her leads, while fitting into strong and thoughtful
arrangements.  i hope somehow a tape of this emerges.

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subject:      new mongrels!

i came across a copy of the new mongrels cd for $5 and i though i'd
better buy it for anyone who wanted it...  it's such a damn great cd,
that, for now, i don't mind having 2 copies of it...

so, anyone out there that wants it...  $5.  just send me a s.a.s.e. and
i'll send it out to ya!
email me!


renee

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subject:      ig dream!!!  (long)

i just woke up (it's late, i know!), after having my very first ig dream of
my life.  since no one around here cares too much (i even told my friend,
who woke me up & was in my dream, but she was less than enthused), i feel a
need to share it w/ all of you.  my friend, jessica, & i were at some type
of amusement park.  we went on some rides, & then we heard that ig were
performing later or something.  (i can understand the subconsious thing
connecting concerts & amusement parks, b/c the last concert i went to, dmb,
was at hershey park.)  so i decided to go to this building, hoping that a &
e would be there.  don't ask me why i thought they'd be there, but they
were!  they were standing behind something that looked like a bar, but i
don't think it was.  i was on the other side...like, they were the
bartenders & i was the customer, but it wasn't really a bar.  i felt all
nervous & everything, but i started talking to them like they were old
friends.  i told them my name, that i was a huge fan, that i liked the new
songs, etc.  then, amy told me that her real name is amanda!  i said that
that was similar to my real name, andrea, but people usu. call her amy, &
they usu. call me andi.  i thought that this was a huge, cool coincidence!
during this great conversation, i realized that i was neglecting jess,
who's also a huge fan, but seemed disinterested.  so i turned to her &
asked her if she had her camara & if it worked. (it tends to stop working
at random times.)  she said she had it, so i got all excited that we could
take pictures w/ a & e, but then she realized that she had old film in
there that she never got developed, & neither of us had new film.  then,
all of these people from penn walked in, like it was a huge party or
something.  and this girl i don't really like told me she was so excited to
meet a & e, but i know she's not a fan b/c some friends & i were singing ig
music last month, & she told us to be quiet. (the nerve!)  anyway, some
people came in & told us to leave, so we did, & then i woke up, with
"virginia wolfe" in my head, for some strange reason.  but i woke up all
happy.  :)  so that's my first ig dream...we're learning about dreams in
psych. too...maybe i should try to find more of my hidden motives...

andi

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subject:      hte at malibu

hi everyone,
i now have a new e-mail address.  a *much* shorter one i may add.  anyway,
plan to e-mail me at this address from now on.

ok, ok, on to the subject...  i just got back from the hte benefit in malibu
and it was really great!!!  there were about 200 people there.  most of the
people seemed to be associated with the industry in some way.  we had
no problem getting a table in the very front.  a great spot as it turned out.
a&e would have to walk right by our table to get back stage.  it was really
strange to see amy dressed up.  no torn jeans or t-shirt.  emily was also
dressed up a bit (no coveralls).  the concert was outside the shangri-la
studios.  they had a stage setup on the lawn.  it was a really nice and
pleasant evening.

there were 6 bands that played and each  only played for about 30 minutes
or so.  different speakers would come on stage and talk about the benefit
between the acts.  poetic justice opened up the show.  i really enjoyed
their music.  followed by john trudell, sherman alexie (he was absolutely
hilarious), then toad the wet sprocket (they were real good, but two of
their members were not able to make it), our beloved indigo girls, and
finally
bonnie raitt.  the indigo girls came back on stage at the end and played
a couple of songs with bonnie and the lead singer for toad the wet sprocket.

they played the water is wide and a great version of cortez the killer to
close the show.  i was really happy for that.  the indigo girls set was
pretty
short as were all the sets.  only 5 songs, the wood song, shame on you,
this train (revised), it's alright, and of course blood quantum (from the
honor
cd).

overall a wonderful night.  after the show, the artists just mingled with the

people for a while.  i got to meet both amy and emily.  i also got to meet
bonnie raitt.  it was a little strange.  we would be standing around talking
and would look over to see amy or emily a few feet away talking to
someone.  i only saw one other person from the list though, hi melissa :)

take care y'all,
- - howdy...

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subject:      re: all i need to know...

"it's all right!"  :)
that about sums it up for me :)
go emily!  (and yes, for the record, i am still an amy person, even if i
don't act like one, carrie :)
i think a poster of this would be incredibly cool....
peace, love, and equinamity (spelling?  new favorite word :)
katy

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date:         sun, 20 oct 1996 15:07:18 +0000
reply-to:     dave jackson <jacksond@uoguelph.ca>
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from:         dave jackson <jacksond@uoguelph.ca>
subject:      live at the uptown lounge

hi everyone!  :)

i've been trying to purchase a copy of "live at the uptown lounge"
for quite some time now.  i live in canada however, and the only ig
video i've seen is "watershed".  i tried ordering "latul" from a local
film shop, but they told me they have to have a certain number of
videos needed from america before they can send an order...thus, it's
been over a year, and i haven't received my precious video.  i'm
lucky i didn't pay upfront.  <grin>

any help from you would be appreciated...perhaps names of other
sources i could try?  from what i've heard, the indigo girls fan club
isn't that reliable on these types of requests.

thanks for everything -- and i mean the whole list in general.  it's
been very entertaining, informative, and friendly.  despite the
general upset that has recently occured, it proves the list has ups
and downs, just like people.

sincerely,
lisa j. :)

_____________________________________________________________________________
i just saw live at the uptown lounge, and i just had to say that i think
it whups all over watershed, imho.  maybe that is just the idle longings
of one who has never seen them live in concert (not that i have seen them
live anywhere else...), but i don't think watershed captures the emotion,
and the humor and the crowd response, and did i mention emotion, of the
single full (edited) performance like latul.  compared to latul,
watershed seems like, i don't know, too slick and promoish (coining a new
word once again) with the videos and the interviews.  don't get me wrong,
i love watershed (somebody borrowed mine and never returned it, so i
borrowed my girlfriend's and haven't returned it).  i just love latul
more :)

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lisa j. :)

"it's okay.  you don't have to explain.
once i was crazy too."
                       -martha plimpton
                        "running on empty"
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reply-to:     january simpson <simpson@hanover.edu>
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from:         january simpson <simpson@hanover.edu>
subject:      the atlanta baseball team...

when i first read the initial subject line go braves!, i thought i would
just reply "right on!" and be done with it.  but now there seems to be a
rather large debate about the appropriateness, or lack thereof, of various
mascots for various teams.  first of all, i'd like to say that i've been a
braves fan since my grandfather gave me my first braves hat in the third
grade, and i'm rooting for them all the way in the series.  secondly, i
will admit freely that mascot choice and traditions (the chop, chant,
whatever) are regrettable and totally misinformed/downright base.  thirdly,
yes, pc or whatever you want to call it (consideration for others'
feelings???) can be tricky and it almost always seems like it's impossible
to say anything without shoving your foot deeper down your own throat.  it
is much easier to just go on with your life and say, "well, i don't mean it
offensively, it's just a manner of speaking."  but what we need to be aware
of is that there are incredible implications riding on every word we say
"in a manner of speaking".  our language is totally socially constructed,
and definitely functions as a mold for our outlook on things.  i could go
on for days, but everyone else already has, so i'll stop.  just adding my
own thoughts to the discussion.
peace,
january simpson

"don't wanna be your coffee maker maker, or your deep soul diver"
                        - disappear fear

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subject:      you know you're an obsessed fan when...

sorry about being late with this, but my server seems to be having
trouble. :(

you know you are an obsessed fan when...

...you're running the net for new pics of the girls and your
significant other walks into the room, glances at the monitor and
recognizes a picture of amy. (she is not a fan)

...you have spent hours making your own trivial persuit cards with
questions about ig and plan on slipping them into the deck for the next
game.

...you are working on drawing heads for your art class and all of them
look like emily or amy.

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subject:      back on the bus y'all

hey y'all-
     i was just looking through my tape collection (yes, tapes!!) and i came
upon the cover for back on the bus y'all.  has anyone else noticed that on
the front the photo  of amy and emily performing is kind of different?
usually amy stands to emily's right, but in this photo emily is on amy's
right.  i have never seen them perform this way......
any thoughts?
*lou*
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subject:      veronica tom (nigc)

hey veronica, email me please dear! i have lost your address :(

(sorry y'all. at least i don't pull this shit ten times a week like i used to)

susanna banana

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subject:      re: podunkville
x-to:         verdi@imap2.asu.edu

in a message dated 96-10-20 13:12:30 edt, verdi@imap2.asu.edu writes:

>
>sometimes i feel arizona is like podunkville. it can get pretty boring
>around here. but i figure it could be worse. i could live in tuscon.go
>sundevils!
>
>ben in tempe
>!

yea, thats true ben!

:)

asu! asu! asu! asu!

jan in scottsdale (who is still voiceless from yesterdays asu football
game!...linda, did you see it?)

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subject:      re: back on the bus y'all

>hey y'all-
>     i was just looking through my tape collection (yes, tapes!!) and i came
>upon the cover for back on the bus y'all.  has anyone else noticed that on
>the front the photo  of amy and emily performing is kind of different?
> usually amy stands to emily's right, but in this photo emily is on amy's
>right.  i have never seen them perform this way......
>any thoughts?
>*lou*


        hey y'all...i have two thoughts on this photo...first, it could be
that the photo was printed backwards.  that out of the way, i think i prefer
my second idea better...
        if you look closely amy does not have a guitar with her.  my guess
is that this is during crazy game when amy often wanders the stage...
        any other thoughts??
                jen
"i don't want to wait for heaven
i can find what i need right here on earth this time,
there's too many people only waiting for heaven
let me tell you, if you can't feel it here, you won't feel it there anyway"  ar

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from:         "samantha a. weisman" <sam22479@aol.com>
subject:      rop songbook

hey everyone!!!

    just logged on after a couple of days to find my mailbox swimming with
offers to copy ghost and let it be me to replace my defective songbook.  i
was so happy i couldn't even believe how many people would be willing to help
me out-- you guys are the best!  i want to thank you all for being so
generous and i worship your awesomeness....

come on....group hug....awwwwwww
:)
sam

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subject:      the ending to the emily dream-- revealed!!!
x-to:         seaphish@aol.com

in a message dated 96-10-18 21:36:22 edt, seaphish@aol.com (sheri e. allen)
writes:

<< i guess i was shopping for pants and i had about 5 pair in different
colors
that i was carrying to this room.  when i got there, emily was sitting on a
chair, legs crossed, wearing a blue and grey horizontally striped shirt and
jeans and sneakers.  she was smiling at me but didn't say anything.  it
seemed like she was there to offer advice and support for my pants-trying-on
(which by the way is always very traumatic for me for certain reasons).  oh
my god!  was emily working at the gap? ;)  well, before i could step into my
first pants leg the phone rang <grrrr> and woke me up.  please, everyone,
give me some closure!  i need to know how it ended.  i mean, did the pants
fit me? <just kidding>  no, really what did emily say or do?  help!!
  >>

ok-  here's what happens.  emily had a new title as chief expert on pant
fittings at the gap, as part of research for her upcoming solo album  (which
would be distributed to all) "if the pant fits". (amy meanwhile was working
at lenscrafters, mumbling about glasses)  after helping you find the pants of
your dreams, she realized that you were the perfect candidate for this
research project.  she invited to to go out for lunch with her and you two
discussed pants, how they fit, and how this related the the meaning of life.
you both offered amazing insights to each other, and exchanged phone numbers
because you were now practically best friends.  unfortunately, you lost her
phone number and she never called you.  (ahh!--put the gun down!--ok ok--i'll
change that last part).   she called you the next day, asked you to become a
third member of the indigo girls, and you, she, and amy lived happily ever
after.

all better now?

sam

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date:         mon, 21 oct 1996 08:57:52 est+10
reply-to:     susanj@journalism.ss.rmit.edu.au
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from:         susan jackel <susanj@journalism.ss.rmit.edu.au>
subject:      re: you know yer obsessed when...

you're reading unix for dummies and you come across the vi command "1g"
(that's one g) and you shut the book and think about the ig for the next 10
minutes.

sue

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date:         sun, 20 oct 1996 20:11:51 -0500
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from:         jen hall <jchall@earthlink.net>
subject:      "you know you're obsessed" top ten !!!

well i think this thread was a success.  51 people replied and gave their
funniest "obsessed" posts.  i'm offering my opinion as to the top 10
funniest.  (now, this is just for fun...please no flames...)

some of the posts i cut down to only include the one that made me lol the
most.  some i included the entire post because it was all a lol post.

enjoy!
- jen hall

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^^^^^^^
10. teresa c. esguerra <sac83826@saclink.csus.edu>
you are an obsessed fan when...

...who has bought a "ping" golf hat because emily was wearing one
in the studio while recording nis (seen via "watershed")?

        not me...no way...no...no obsession here...   really.

ccsbzzz,
teri
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9. abigail <abaroo@execpc.com>
you are an obsessed fan when...

"ig win loose or draw" is another fun one to play in class. try drawing
illustrations of song titles for fellow ig obsessed classmates to guess.
it's a good way to stay amused and an outlet for creativity (sure, three
hits is an easy one to do, but try drawing secure yourself!)

~abigail
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8. motor625@aol.com
you are an obsessed fan when...

- you spend more time selecting songs to listen to in the morning as you
rush
out the door than you do getting dressed.  and these must be specific
songs...and of course you know all the words :)

and these are true :)  my essay - the scarlet letter - central character of
course was pearl - pain from pearls?  :)
peace, love, and obsession (also a very nice cologne...:)
katy
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7. corinne simpson <corinne@utah-inter.net>
you know you're an obsessed fan when...

.... you tattoo an ig song title on your back!

(thanks to rebekah for reminding me of that)  (it's funny that i forget...
i
have the words "three hits" tattooed on my back)

corinne
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^^^^^^^
6. hsu amber r. batson <arbatson@hsutx.edu>
you know you're an obsessed fan when...

you fall asleep in history 1301, but you jump up and say, "where?" when
the teacher says the colonists sent rice, cotton, and indigo to england.
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5. : chocobo11@aol.com
you are an obsessed fan when...

you know you're an obsessed fan when you go to a demo tour show and you
realize that everyone is staring at you because you can already sing along
with the unreleased material thanks to your bootleg collection.

peace everyone
elizabeth
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4. debatediva@aol.com
you know your an obsessed ig fan when. . . .

your friends have given you gift certificates with the words "not to
be spent on indigo girls paraphernalia" written on it.

you sit through all of vh1's video a-z just to catch any indigo girl
videos, to be crushed by the skip between idol and jackson.

you own everyone songbook, yet oddly can't play the piano or guitar

all your possibilities for senior quote choices are indigo girl lyrics

you sing "hammer and a nail" all through shop class

after hearing "virginia woolf" you ran to the book store and bought
her diary

(yeah i'm sure there's more to come. . . . .)

smiles : )
annemarie
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3. deborah gordon <dgord02@emory.edu>
i think i have a winner!!!!
what do ya'll think.

you know your obsessed when you move to atlanta and get a job at emory.
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2. sea8aggie@aol.com
you are an obsessed fan when...

you walk around with a guitar and ignore people that talk to you unless
they
refer to you as amy ray.  no?

okay.

out of the blue at work one day, in your most serious and sincere voice,
you
start telling your co-worker about how you were on the road to austin one
day
and met a man...

insist that your aunt, who is with child, name the kid amy or emily.

dress up as an indigo girl for halloween...i am!!!!!

when you say goodbye to your friends, smile, wave, and say, "thanks,
y'all!"


amy
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1.  deb odonoghue <doobie@student.umass.edu>
you know you are an obsessed ig fan when....

.....get to the gates at nff at 4am, cause getting there at 5am the
year didn't make you feel as dedicated as the 5 people in front of you.....

-deb
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subject:      mm cd is taken

need i say more . . . thanks to those who responded!
wishing everyone a great week!
cami

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subject:      lyrics

hello everyone,

        my new boots finally came in the mail the other day!!!! i was so
psyched to get the new songs.  i think the new album is gonna be
awesome!!  anyway, i remember a few weeks ago someone posted the lyrics
to some of the new songs(shame on you, get out the map, it's all right)
well, i was wondering if any of you fellow listees saved these posts
because i would love to get a hold of the new lyrics.
thanks y'all!!!!!


                                jonny

                        "..but when it comes to flesh and bones, you                    remind me of shallot,
only made of shadows even                       though you're not...." -es

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from:         "susan b. marine" <susan.b.marine@dartmouth.edu>
subject:      send in the ark (sigc)

okay, so i woke up this morning at 8:30 and it was pouring rain. it is now 8:20
pm and it is still pouring, and it hasn't stopped raining once this entire 12
hours!

anyways, on to business...after careful chemical-synthetic analysis, (drinking
a six pack in the span of an hour with my friend kathy), i think i need to do
some lyric clarifications from the bitchin world cafe' boot (thanks andi):

in "get out the map":
"that same sun that warms your heart will suck that gutter dry" (not good earth
or, as i originally thought, booger)
in "don't give that girl a gun"
"and the rage of the righteous screaming in her ears" (not outrage of the
righteous)

but the real, true, burning issue of the evening is....

what the fnark am i supposed to do with all these maxell points? what are they
for? can i trade them in for a lifesize amy ray doll for corinne? (bwa)

susan
p.s. if you think i am a lame-o who has posted too much today, what the heck
would you do if it rained for 12 hours straight where you are?

" i've been sitting at the computer so long i have major butt-itis"

-ig lister sue steinike

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from:         anne haines <ahaines@indiana.edu>
subject:      re: live at the uptown lounge
in-reply-to:  <199610210116.uaa09244@hermes.iupui.edu>

try ladyslipper for this one.
http://www.ladyslipper.org
or 800-634-6044
while you're at it, check out the rest of their catalog... they have some
awesome stuff, and they are incredibly nice people too. :)

i don't work for them or anything; i just like them lots...

cheers,
anne in indiana

"gonna sting you with a kiss from my lips/ gonna sting you with a piece
  of my mind/ gonna sting you with a taste of my skin/ then you're mine,
  then you're mine"                          --lucy kaplansky, "scorpion"
                 http://ezinfo.ucs.indiana.edu/~ahaines

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from:         elizabeth baird <ebaird@oise.utoronto.ca>
subject:      cd supporting peltier (nigc)

the canadian arts community is trying to help imprisoned activist leonard
peltier.

canada allowed leonard peltier to be extradited back to the us in 1976.
(this was based on a witness' testimony that was later discredited.)

canadian musicians are asking the canadian government to start
pressuring the us to free peltier. they are releasing a compilation cd
called "pine ridge: an open letter to allan rock" (allan rock is the
justice minister). included on the cd are sarah mclachlan,the
tragically hip, ashley macissac, blue rodeo, etc.

it's to be released this week.

elizabeth

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from:         jen lucero <jlucero@monmouth.com>
subject:      re: send in the ark (sigc)

just a little while ago sue wrote

>in "get out the map":
>"that same sun that warms your heart will suck that gutter dry" (not good earth
>or, as i originally thought, booger)
>in "don't give that girl a gun"
>"and the rage of the righteous screaming in her ears" (not outrage of the
>righteous)
>

        okay...i agree that the rain can do some funny things to you (i
know..it's been raining here for quite some time as well...) but the gutter
here is most definitely not dry, nor is the ground...but the sun will "suck
that good earth dry" when it reappears!!!
        and i still stand by my original opinion that the line is "outrage
of the righteous"...but, hey, freedom of thought right????

        jen  (who has also tried that chemical-synthetic analysis once or twice)


"i don't want to wait for heaven
i can find what i need right here on earth this time,
there's too many people only waiting for heaven
let me tell you, if you can't feel it here, you won't feel it there anyway"
     -amy ray

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reply-to:     "mary kushman, princess of macintosh" <ugkushma@ecuvm.cis.ecu.edu>
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subject:      dreams and other things

hi all--

last night, i had my 3rd ig dream--they played privately for my organic
chemistry class and i had emily autograph my org. chem. book right on the
page where bonding in ethylene is explained.  awwww...ain't that sweet?
(not really...makes me wonder if i'm getting obsessed with that class)

anyhow, what i really wanted to ask was where could i get more live copies
of "problem child"?  i have the one off these songs revised, but i'm looking
for more.  i've taken a recent liking to that song...it basically describes
me and i identify with it so well.  i'm also looking for other stuff to trade;
i have pretty much all the must-haves.

thanks to all of you who gave me advice about songs to put on the compilation
tape i am making for my friend.  this tape is for a very special person i have
come to know this year and i must say he is one hell of a trooper to put up
with me!  we have lots in common, including a love for ig, and are just really
great friends in general.

i must get back to writing my report on stm.  i feel an all nighter coming on.
damn.

mary, also princess of scanning tunneling microscopy  :)

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mary elizabeth kushman                   <|||>
"hey!  come see my ultrasonic frogs!"    <|||>
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university scholar 1994                   |||      o
bs physics, class of 1998                 |||
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internet:  ugkushma@ecuvm.cis.ecu.edu   / ||| \
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the "er"--been there, done that!        \_____/    o

"always tell the truth and be true."  emily saliers
"color me grey, i'm a little bit of everything today..."  amy ray
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date:         sun, 20 oct 1996 22:19:34 +0000
reply-to:     dave jackson <jacksond@uoguelph.ca>
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from:         dave jackson <jacksond@uoguelph.ca>
subject:      positive reassurance?

hey everyone!  :)

i'll admit, i'm desperately trying to catch up on my list mail, so
this thread may have been completed already...i'm reading the stories
of "bad fans/shimmying/seating tickets/etc." and although, they are
interesting --> i'm also getting a 'wee bit' anxious.

having yet to attend an ig concert (i've been a fan since 1992, but i
live in canada and have missed the concerts because they have been in
the summer, and i am always away during the summer, blah blah blah.
i digress.  :) <grin>)  these tales are stories of encountered
rudeness, jealousy, greedy thoughts, stubborness -- all negative
traits.

the more i read, the more confused i become.  is it worth it to
attend one of ig's concerts?  natch, the music is brilliant (!) but
what about the general atmosphere?  does anyone have any recollection
of *happy* events...ones in which the audience bonded together to
enjoy the talent of amy and emily?  the indigo girls are such a
bright influence to many with their messages of peace and love, it
would be great to hear some stories of similar audience attitude.
plus, you are all so friendly.  :)

in need of reassurance -- i don't want to pass up the next
opportunity to see one of their concerts!  <grin>

sincerely,
lisa j.
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lisa j. :)

"it's okay.  you don't have to explain.
once i was crazy too."
                       -martha plimpton
                        "running on empty"
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date:         sun, 20 oct 1996 22:37:52 -0400
reply-to:     margotll@aol.com
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from:         margotll@aol.com
subject:      re: braves
x-to:         kirsten@spike.wellesley.edu

in a message dated 96-10-19 11:30:05 edt, kirsten@spike.wellesley.edu
(kirsten chevalier) writes:

>> my dad says that people that push "pc" are thought nazis. my 2 pennies...
>
>i think that comparing attempts to make the english language reflect
>respect for all people to nazism is highly offensive to anyone who survived
>the holocaust (and i did not, so i cannot say for certain).

   i did not mean to offend anyone with this comment. my dad (and i, for that
matter) are probably the most pc people you'll ever meet. it was just a joke.
:-) sorry.

peace,
margot

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date:         sun, 20 oct 1996 23:19:56 -0400
reply-to:     renee l grebe <grebe+@cmu.edu>
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from:         renee l grebe <grebe+@cmu.edu>
subject:      not much igc - dreams...

all you silly people with cool dreams that you don't understand....

go here!!!  :)
http://www.webcom.com/dreamwvr/
and let us know how it goes!!!!


renee

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