lifeblood: listlogs: 1996-10d


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date:         mon, 21 oct 1996 00:18:51 -0400
reply-to:     seaphish@aol.com
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "sheri e. allen" <seaphish@aol.com>
subject:      shawn colvin & disney?

sorry if this has been mentioned already, i just would like someone to
confirm for me that i'm not hearing things... isn't that shawn colvin singing
the 'remember the magic' song in the disney world commercial?   i have a
strange need to figure out who all the voice overs are in commercials...
thanks to whoever can confirm this for me!

-sheri :)

\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\

  _       _ ------ _               o      |....when you learn
{  ~\_/         o   \    o  o           |to love yourself
{  ~ _   ]          <  o                 |you will dissolve
{_~/  \ _        _ /                    | all the stones
             v-----                        | that are cast....
   seaphish@aol.com                -amy ray
/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/

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date:         mon, 21 oct 1996 00:44:42 -0400
reply-to:     andrea lipman <ablipman@sas.upenn.edu>
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from:         andrea lipman <ablipman@sas.upenn.edu>
subject:      get out the map lyrics

>in "get out the map":
>"that same sun that warms your heart will suck that gutter dry" (not good earth
>or, as i originally thought, booger)

i just listened to that line from the wc tape, & i think it sounds like
"guttered" or "gooderd."  i know that makes no sense, but you can
definitely hear the ed or th ending.  anyway, i think "good earth" makes
more sense.  i had this as my sig quote for awhile, but my friends told me
to change it b/c it was too depressing.  what do all of you think?  i said
that it shows the flip side of everything...every positive thing has a
negative parallel, & vice-versa...i don't see that as depressing...

andi

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                              andrea lipman
                       e-mail: ablipman@sas.upenn.edu
               homepage: http://www.sas.upenn.edu/~ablipman

                     "i know that i'm small in a way,
                        but i know i'm strong "-es
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date:         mon, 21 oct 1996 11:34:41 +0100
reply-to:     indigo jo <mts5@aber.ac.uk>
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from:         indigo jo <mts5@aber.ac.uk>
subject:      re: alcatraz review (long)
x-to:         hugh barroll <hugh404@ix.netcom.com>
in-reply-to:  <199610201743.kaa26905@dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com>

on sun, 20 oct 1996, hugh barroll wrote:

> dar song  (dar solo)

just out of interest, how did this go?

mat

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date:         mon, 21 oct 1996 10:31:51 -0400
reply-to:     bess sadler <bess@avantamedia.com>
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from:         bess sadler <bess@avantamedia.com>
subject:      cassettes to cd
in-reply-to:  <199610190410.aaa07169@sage.coe.uga.edu>

hey everyone,

        i haven't been on this list long, and i really hope this isn't an
inappropriate post, but i'm really into the ig's, too, and i'm also into
digital audio.  i just started a really small recording studio, and one of
the things we do is digital remastering and cd writing.  so if anyone out
there has a boot cassette that they want cleaned up and put on cd, i'm
willing to

1.      put it on cd for the cost of the cd-r (usu. about $15), if it's
        something i want and don't have.

2.      send me 3 cd-r's & your cassette & i'll send you one cd back with
        your recording.

3.      send me 2 cd-r's & i'll send you one back with one of my boots on
        it.

4.      trade a cd-r and a tape of one of your boots for a cd of one of
        mine.

5.      our regular service (any cassette): $30 to transfer to cd, $40 if
        it needs serious remastering.

before anyone asks, i really can't do anything for free ( i at least need
to get the cost of the cd )  my business partner and i just put ourselves
way into debt buying this equipment and can't afford any more money out.
and we also transfer vinyl, dat, and data if that's an option for anyone.
please contact me if you have any questions about the recording process,
my boot list, or anything else.  again, i hope this is an appropriate
post.

        thanks, y'all!

bess sadler

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bess sadler                                             bess@avantamedia.com


        "female engineers become irresistible at the age of consent
         and remain that way until about thirty minutes after their
         clinical death.  longer if it's a warm day."

                                        -- how to spot an engineer

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date:         mon, 21 oct 1996 09:46:49 -0500
reply-to:     tritessa <gsajaf@noctrl.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         tritessa <gsajaf@noctrl.edu>
subject:      i need help! (sigc)

ok, guys, i have no idea if this is appropriate or not, but you fellow ig
lovers are the only ones i can think to turn to. i've been with this guy
david now for a month. i met him online (yes, i know some of you have a
problem with this kind of thing, but just read what follows) and he's
finally decided to send his picture out to me. he keeps telling me how
ugly he is and how he can't believe i would love him. if you read what
follows, most of you should see how i can. he simply can't believe me
though that looks don't matter. i want to find a way to reassure him and
i need some suggestions. one thing i was thinking was to make him a
compilation tape of course including some ig, so suggestions for
appropriate songs would be helpful along with any advice you could give
me for how to reassure him that i love him no matter what he looks like.
i need your help guys!

---------- forwarded message ----------
date: mon, 21 oct 1996 01:28:50 -0700 (mst)
to: tritessa <gsajaf@noctrl.edu>
subject: my love....

        i miss you already, i want to hear your voice very badly at the
moment. to hear you say you love me. i need you. if i'm at work, or i'm
watching tv, my thoughts always drift to thinking of you, of how much i
love and want to be with you. its frightening really, there is a lot of
fear envolved. i keep thinking things like: what if you grow to hate me?
what if you can't fathom with being someone with my appearance? what if you
find someone else?....  they may be stupid thoughts, but they're there and
they're not gonna go away, not for a while anyhow. *sigh* i want to talk
with you so bad, though i can't.
        i find myself missing you so much, yet i fear talking to you as
well, not till you get your mail, and i can find out whether you can
accept me for who i am or not. i know you will, i believe you will, but i
don't know how i can take it if you don't.
        you mean everything to me, i love you, unconditionally and
wholeheartedly, with my every fiber, with all my heart and soul. i want to
be with you forever. i want to spend my every moment with you and not have
to worry about life, or anything else. i want to marry you, i want to die
with you... its unerving how much i want these things.....
        i want to be with you forever, always...
                                                i love you,
                                                   david

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date:         fri, 18 oct 1996 21:55:00 -0700
reply-to:     marianne barlow <mlb1@axe.humboldt.edu>
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from:         marianne barlow <mlb1@axe.humboldt.edu>
subject:      happy indigo day

wow, this has really turned out to be an excellent indigo day.  after
seeing history of us on somebody's college record card, i went out to the
maid quad at lunchtime and a wonderful local band called delphinium blue
was playing (2 women sing lead & play guitar--sound familiar?)  they had
some excellent original material and also played impressive renditions of
strange fire and fugitive (note-- they did not play ctf).  then, in a
workshop i attended this evening, my group was drawing a rainbow, but we
had to scrounge for markers.  one woman remembered the order of the
colors by roy g. biv but commented, "we don't have indigo."  to which i
promptly replied, "it's in my heart!"  <sigh>

maybe i will go home and watch boys on the side.  it sounded like a good
idea when i heard someone else mention it.

thanks y'all
the lone coyote  =)

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date:         mon, 21 oct 1996 08:57:25 -0700
reply-to:     bob dibetta <dibetta@pacbell.net>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         bob dibetta <dibetta@pacbell.net>
subject:      was anyone else at the bread and roses concert ?

was anyone else at this concert?  i'd love to hear from you!

i'm behind on my email, so i am unsure if anyone has posted anything on
this concert.  i thought i'd write first (who knows when i'll finally
get through all of that mail!)since i know how much i've enjoyed hearing
about all of the east coast shows (yes, with some envy!).

saw emily and amy play with joan baez and dar williams this saturday!
it was a small venue- only 400 (what a dream!) people in the alcatraz
island dining hall.  so that this location makes sense, you should
know that bread and roses is an organization that strives to uplift the
human spirit by providing live quality music to those who are
institutionalized in prisons as well as people living in aids, homeless,
abused children, battered women, and convalescent homes year round.

the show was amazing! i had never seen dar williams perform, and had
seen joan when she played with a & e and mary chapin carpenter some time
ago.  dar and joan were great, and of course a & e were incredible.

being a rookie to the list, i have to admit i went somewhat
unprepared--realized all too late that i didn't bring anything extra- no
writing implement, let alone a tape recorder, so will have to do my
best to remember the set list...

they started by all singing "don't think twice, it's alright," and then
"the water is wide".  then they split off, and joan and dar played
"you're aging well," then dar soloed, playing "when i was a boy,"
"february," "what do you hear in these sounds", and more.

hmm... so much to try to write- i think i'll skip the set list in case
someone else has already done it on the list, and get to non-lyric
moments.... gabe was there and played percussion on a few songs, one for
joan, and two/three with a & e... joan sang most of "welcome me," with a
& e in the background, and amy picking up the last verse solo.  all
played "shame on you" with a & e, then a & e were on their own to sing
"get out the map" and "it's alright".  they also played blood quantum.

amongst the funny moments were when:

1.  amy talked about emily's banjo, saying that they recently were
recording gotm and couldn't figure out what was wrong- something just
wasn't quite right in all of the recordings.  the checked guitars,
percussion- nope, everything was okay-- then finally realized that what
threw it all off was that the banjo was totally out of tune the whole
time.

2. in the middle of "it's alright", amy accidentally pulled out emily's
guitar plug, and as amy bent down to rehook it, emily was just starting
to realize what had happened.  finally, they had to pause ever so
briefly for emily to say "ooops!" and then immediately pick up with the
line "it's alright..." they both were chuckling through the next parts
of the song...

4.  when joan came back to play with a & e, she mock panicked because
she couldn't get her guitar tuned quickly enough, and said something
like "i'm not as young as they are" to which amy replied "no, we just
bring a guitar tech along with us..." which provoked comments for the
rest of the night from joan and dar about how when they got "famous"
they wanted to get guitar techs, too...amy suggested to joan "why don't
you get a volunteer"- they both laughed... then amy asked emily if she
remembered the time a guy was hired as the guitar tech "he had a resume,
and everything..." and he didn't know how to tune a guitar, which they
didn't find out until after the show. amy said "he was a really sweet
guy, though" and emily said "yea, we almost kept him for that reason..."

4.  towards the end of the show, dar wanted to say hello to her family,
happy birthday to her dad; which spurred joan asked her mother to stand
up so she could say hi; amy said "hello to my cousins" and when it got
to emily's turn, she said "hi....[pause pause] y'all!", to which
everyone laughed and cheered...

that's about all-- if you want more details, i'd  be happy to respond-
i can't wait 'til they come back!


-tina

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date:         mon, 21 oct 1996 19:53:20 +0000
reply-to:     andrew stokell <rbc31@dial.pipex.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         andrew stokell <rbc31@dial.pipex.com>
subject:      re: trades anyone?
x-to:         candice gohn <cgohn@olympus.net>

candice gohn wrote:
>
> hey ya'll....

greta

always interested in a trade or two! what have you got?


andrew

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date:         mon, 21 oct 1996 20:12:15 +0100
reply-to:     sharon jennings <rcxsj@unix.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         sharon jennings <rcxsj@unix.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk>
subject:      michelle malone (nigc)

sharon who is in a huge panic.........

if you had to interview michelle malone, what questions would you ask?

please reply to me and not the list by wednesday night. any help is much
appreciated.

take care all
sharon.... the brit abroad.

"i can't imagine having separate careers. my greatest fear is that it'll end."
                                                  emily saliers
               "my greatest fear is that emily has a fear that it'll end."
                                                     amy ray

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date:         mon, 21 oct 1996 16:06:32 -0400
reply-to:     mark anthony donajkowski <madonajk@alpha.delta.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         mark anthony donajkowski <madonajk@alpha.delta.edu>
subject:      deep thoughts (fwd)
x-to:         agothic@stargame.org, meat-loaf@1webplaza.com,
              ros@einstein.et.tudelft.nl, angie <algrunow@alpha.delta.edu>,
              boudica <boudica@plantaganet.com>,
              shelley lynn from corner daenzer <sldaenze@alpha.delta.edu>,
              domme <domme@mars.superlink.net>,
              tracy dusenbury <superho@cris.com>,
              sean fleming <seanf@falcon.cc.ukans.edu>,
              flowhead <flowhead@occ-uky.campus.mci.net>,
              katie lee foreman <klforema@alpha.delta.edu>,
              gielczyk mike <kellyoc@aol.com>,
              jason hatter <towonder@cris.com>,
              mr marvin l howard ii <ukcv35c@prodigy.com>,
              mrs tamarah l kaat <dkze01b@prodigy.com>,
              kevin morin <kevinpm@cris.com>,
              matt in baycity <masada@cris.com>,
              alisa meggison <ameggi41@maine.maine.edu>,
              andrew a merz <merzandr@pilot.msu.edu>,
              candace jean miller <cjmiller@alpha.delta.edu>,
              mary b mills <kmcf82a@prodigy.com>,
              patrick oneil <poneil@detroit.bozell.com>,
              kate orman <korman@laurel.ocs.mq.edu.au>,
              pop-o-matic <popomatic@west.net>,
              kitten prrss <tsra46a@prodigy.com>,
              rachel <rachelr@crown.icongrp.com>,
              james paul schmidt <jpschmid@alpha.delta.edu>,
              christopher kent scott <ckscott@alpha.delta.edu>,
              gerald lee seward <glseward@alpha.delta.edu>,
              sue lemon <drwho@tir.com>,
              rogue of the x-men <rogue.x-men@juno.com>, hugmeister@juno.com

more funny things

---------- forwarded message ----------
date: mon, 21 oct 1996 09:33:06 -0700
from: bob shepherd <robert.shepherd@west.sun.com>
to: madonajk@alpha.delta.edu
subject: deep thoughts

i saw your list on the oz digest....i've been maintaining a list of
similar deep thoughts....thought you might enjoy it.

bob
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i planted some bird seed.  a bird came up.  now i don't know what
to feed it.

my aunt gave me a walkie-talkie for my birthday.  she says if i'm
good she'll give me the other one.

i eat swiss cheese from the inside out.

i had amnesia once or twice.

i got a chain letter by fax.  it's very simple.  you just fax a
dollar bill to everybody on the list.

the sun never sets on the british empire.  but it rises every
morning.  the sky must get awfully crowded.

if you write the word "monkey" a million times, do you start to
think you are shakespeare?

i eat swiss cheese, but i only nibble on it.  i make the holes
bigger.

you know how it is when you go to be the subject of a psychology
experiment, and nobody else shows up, and you think maybe that's
part of the experiment?  i'm like that all the time.

if you had a million shakespeares, could they write like a monkey?

i am not a vegetarian because i love animals.  i am a vegetarian
because i hate plants.

the sign said "eight items or less".  so i changed my name to les.

i went to san francisco.  i found someone's heart.

i washed a sock.  then i put it in a dryer.  when i took it out,
it was gone.

the bermuda triangle got tired of warm weather.  it moved to alaska.
now santa claus is missing.

last week i forgot how to ride a bicycle.

i took lessons in bicycle riding, but i could afford only half the
lessons.  now i can ride a unicycle.

get a bunch of 3-d glasses and wear them at the same time.  use
enough to get it up a good, say, 10 or 12-d.

i heard that in relativity theory, space and time are the same
thing.  einstein discovered this when he kept showing up to three
miles late to meetings.

photons have mass?  i didn't even know they were catholic.

all i ask is a chance to prove that money can't make me happy.

we were born naked, wet and hungry.  then things got worse.

i'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous.

five out of four people have trouble with fractions.

if the world was a logical place, men would ride horse side-saddle.

if you look like the photo on your driver's license, you aren't
well enough to drive.

a beggar asked me for 50 cents for a sandwich.  i said, "first
let me see the sandwich."

"more hay, trigger?"  "no thanks, roy, i'm stuffed."

warning: dates on the calendar are closer than they appear.

i just got a physical and asked the doctor, "how do i stand?"
he said, "that's what puzzles me."

if god had intended man to smoke, he would have set him on fire.

what is a "free" gift?  aren't all gifts free?

i wouldn't be caught dead with a necrophiliac.

give me ambiguity or give me something else.

tact is the art of making guests feel at home when that's where
you wish they were.

i don't suffer from insanity.  i enjoy every minute of it.

the gene pool could use a little chlorine.

confidence is the feeling you have before you really understand
the problem.

we have enough youth.  how about a fountain of smart?

be nice to your kids.  they'll choose your nursing home.

i used to be clueless about math, but i turned that around 360 degrees.

why is the word "abbreviation" such a big word?

the earth is like a tiny grain of sand, only much, much heavier.

cloning is the sincerest form of flattery.

if bankers can count, how come they have eight windows and only four
tellers?

radioactive cats have 18 half-lives.

they told me i was gullible...and i believed them.

then there was the time geronimo jumped out of an airplane and yelled,
"meeeeeeeeeee!!!!"

the chance that you'll forget something is directly proportional
to.....to....ah.....

teach a child to be polite and courteous in the home and, when he
grows up, he'll never be able to edge his car onto a freeway.

is dan quayle's name spelled with an "e" on the end?

honk if you like peace and quiet.

there are three kinds of people in the world; those who can count
and those that can't.

learn from your parent's mistakes - use birth control.

until you walk a mile in another man's moccassins, you can't imagine
the smell.

two can live as cheaply as one, for half as long.

experience is the thing you have left when everything else is gone.

to err is human, to moo bovine.

what if there were no hypothetical questions?

one nice thing about egoists: they don't talk about other people.

try to get all of your posthumous medals in advance.

this life is a test.  it is only a test.  had this been an actual
life, you would have received better instructions.

eagles may soar free and proud, but weasels never get sucked into
jet engines.

a day without sunshine is like night.

some drink at the fountain of knowledge.  others just gargle.

when the chips are down, the cow is empty.

everybody is somebody else's weirdo.

the best cure for insomnia is to get a lot of sleep.

deja fu: the feeling that somehow, somewhere, you've been kicked
in the head like this before.

when the only tool you own is a hammer, every problem begins to
look like a nail.

why does a cowboy have two spurs?  if one side of the horse
goes, so does the other.

diplomacy is the art of saying "nice doggy" until you can find a
rock.

if "con" is the opposite of "pro", then congress is the opposite
of progress.

a flashlight is a case for holding dead batteries.

it's sad that a family can be torn apart by something as simple
as a pack of wild dogs.

what was sliced bread the greatest thing since?

ask not for whom the bell tolls.  let the machine get it.

feet smell?  nose runs?  hey, you're upside down!

a conclusion is simply the place where you got tired of thinking.

after eating, do amphibians have to wait one hour before getting
out of the water?

my weight is perfect for my height - which varies.

i used to be indecisive.  now i'm not sure.

if our knees bent the other way, what would a chair look like?

very funny, scotty.  now beam me my clothes.

welcome to the psyciatric hot line:
  - if you are obsessive-compulsive, press 1 repeatedly.
  - if you are co-dependent, please ask someone to press 2.
  - if you are paranoid-delusional, we know who you are and what
    you want.  just stay on the line so we can trace your call.
  - if you are schizophrenic, listen closely and a little voice
    will tell you which number to press.
  - if you are manic-depressive, it doesn't matter which number
    you press; no one will answer.

why isn't the word "phonetic" spelled the way is sounds?

i bought some batteries the other day, but batteries weren't
included so i had to go back and buy some more.

there is a cd out entitled "the worst of jefferson airplane".
if you buy this, take it home, play it, and enjoy it, should
you take it back and demand a full refund?

if you had everything, where would you keep it?

the cost of living hasn't affected its popularity.

the meek shall inherit the earth - they are too weak to refuse it.

when you open a new bag of cotton balls, is the first one meant
to be thrown away?

after eating, do amphibians have to wait one hour before getting out of
the water?

how can there be self-help "groups"?

if white wine goes with fish, do white grapes go with sushi?

if someone has a mid-life crises while playing hide & seek, does he
automatically lose because he can't find himself?

if someone with multiple personalities threatens to kill himself, is it
considered a hostage situation?

instead of talking to your plants, if you yelled at them would they
still grow, but only to be troubled and insecure?

is there another word for synonym?

isn't it a bit unnerving that doctors call what they do "practice"?

just "before" someone gets nervous, do they experience cocoons in
their stomach?

when sign makers go on strike, is anything written on their picket
signs?

when your pet bird sees you reading the newspaper, does he wonder why
you're just sitting there, staring at carpeting?

where do forest rangers go to "get away from it all"?

why isn't there mouse-flavored cat food?

why do they report power outages on tv?

why are builders afraid to have a 13th floor but book publishers
aren't afraid to have a chapter 11?

the smell of a crowded elevator is quite different to a midget.

the obituaries in the newspaper prove beyond a shadow of a doubt
that people die in alphabetical order.

two wrongs don't make a right.  but three rights make a left.

why did kamikaze pilots need helmets?

there's so much sand in nortern africa that if it were spread out,
it would completely cover the sahara desert.

now let's all repeat the nonconformist oath.....

if the odds are a million to one against something occurring,
chances are 50-50 it will.

introducing "lite" - the new way to spell "light" with 20% fewer
letters!

how long a minute is depends on which side of the bathroom door
you are on.

when marriage is outlawed, only outlaws will have in-laws.

the speed of time is one second per second.

inside this fat body there's a skinny person screaming to get out.
i ate him.

just because i have a short attention span doesn't mean i

living on earth may be expensive, but it includes an annual trip
around the sun.

you cannot achieve the impossible without attempting the absurd.

in democracy it's your vote that counts.  in feudalism, it's your
count that votes.

even a mosquito doesn't get a slap on the back until it starts to
work.

time is nature's way of keeping everything from happening all at
once.

if only karen carpenter had eaten the sandwich that mama cass choked
on - both of them might still be alive today.

today is the yesterday you worried about tomorrow.

always borrow money from pessimists.  they don't expect to be paid
back.

be different.  conform.

i'm a psychic amnesiac.  i know in advance what i'm going to forget.

if i melted dry ice, could i swim in it and not get wet?

if a book about failures doesn't sell, is it a success?

do cemetery workers prefer the graveyard shift?

what do you do when you see an endangered animal that eats only endangered
plants?

do hungry crows have ravenous appetites?

is it possible to be totally partial?

what's another word for thesaurus?

if a parsley farmer is sued, can they garnish his wages?

would a fly without wings be called a walk?

why do steam irons have a permanent press setting?

can you be a closet claustrophobic?

why do they lock gas station bathrooms?  are they afraid someone will clean
them?

why do people who know the least know it the loudest?

if the funeral procession is at night, do folks drive with their lights off?

if a stealth bomber crashes in a forest, will it make a sound?

if a turtle doesn't have a shell, is he homeless or naked?

when it rains, why don't sheep shrink?

should vegetarians eat animal crackers?

if the cops arrest a mime, do they tell him he has the right to remain silent?

when companies ship styrofoam, what do they pack it in?

if you're cross-eyed and have dyslexia, can you read all right?

is marx's tomb a communist plot?

if vegetarians eat vegetables, what do humanitarians eat?

beauty is in the eye of the beer holder.

if swimming is so good for your figure, how do you explain whales?

show me a man with both feet firmly on the ground, and i'll show you a man
who can't get his pants off.

dogs believe they are humans.  cats believe they are god.

i am one with the universe - on a scale from one to ten.

wild beasts won't harm you if you carry a blazing torch - provided you
carry it fast enough.

diamonds are a girl's best friend.  dogs are a man's best friend.  so which
is the dumber sex?

a harp is a piano with no clothes on.

a bird in the hand makes it difficult to blow your nose.

it's not an optical illusion.  it just looks like one.

my wife says i never listen to her.  at least i think that's what she said.

if i want your opinion, i'll ask you to fill out the necessary forms.

help wanted: telepath.  you know where to apply.

if you can lead it to water and force it drink, it isn't a horse.

honesty is the best policy, but insanity is a better defense.

don't use a big word where a diminutive one will suffice.

old soldiers never die.  young ones do.

the more things change, the more they stay insane.

animal testing is a bad idea - they get nervous and give the wrong answers.

love thy neighbor - tune thy piano.

bureaucracy: a method of turning energy into solid waste.

does the name "pavlov" ring a bell?

is it my imagination, or do buffalo wings taste like chicken?

if you can survive death, you can probably survive anything.

to vacillate or not to vacillate - that is the question... or is it?

when you do a good deed, get a receipt - in case heaven is like the irs.

there's no future in time travel.

if life is like a stage, i want better lighting.

the graduate with a science degree asks, "why does it work?"
the graduate with a engineering degree asks, "how does it work?"
the graduate with an accounting degree asks, "how much will it cost?"
the graduate with a liberal arts degree asks, "do you want fries with that?"

if you're cross-eyed and have dyslexia, can you real alright?

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date:         mon, 21 oct 1996 18:01:07 -0400
reply-to:     lori brinkman <lorbrink@iaw.com>
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from:         lori brinkman <lorbrink@iaw.com>
subject:      maxell points

after saving maxell points for over a year, i came across a pamphlet
outlining several prizes you could receive upon cashing in your points.  the
brochure mentioned a previous brochure, expiring dec. 31 1993, and it itself
expired december 31, 1995. so i waited and saved more, then wrote to the
company requesting the newest brochure.  unfortunately they informed me that
they were discontinuing the max awards offer.  so, i now have about 1400
useless points (plus more and more with every tape i open) !   maybe we
could pool all of the points from the list and do something cool with them.
a life size amy ray doll sounds good - any other ideas?
lori


"if it makes you happy, it can't be that bad."
                                         sheryl crow

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date:         mon, 21 oct 1996 15:47:18 -0700
reply-to:     karey weisman eals <karey@u.washington.edu>
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from:         karey weisman eals <karey@u.washington.edu>
subject:      re: podunkville
x-to:         verdi@imap2.asu.edu
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on sun, 20 oct 1996 verdi@imap2.asu.edu wrote:

> go sundevils!
as a sundevil myself, i'm very offended by that!

  <heh heh heh...>

love,
karey


set the crickets for two...
                                -danielle howle

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subject:      nigc-ellen

hi, y'all,
go wild with this.
love,
karey

set the crickets for two...
                                -danielle howle

>>forwarded message:
    >>subj:    special alert: help ellen out of the closet
    >>date:    96-10-10 02:10:58 edt
    >>from:    right2wed
    >>
    >>as many of you may already know, the creators of the popular abc
sitcom ellen are considering having the show's title character, ellen
degeneres, come out of the closet as a lesbian.  (you may have noticed
subtle "closet" and "thespian" references in recent shows.)
    >>
    >>to show your support for such a positive move, send a quick email to

    >>brad_bergman@studio.disney.com
    >>
    >>(you may recognize his email address as the one the southern
baptists printed in an effort to cause trouble during their anti-disney
campaign) and tell him how great it would be to have a positive lesbian
role-model on prime-time television.
    >>
    >>act now!   disney (owners of abc), abc and the shows creators must
me shown how much support there is out here for what they are considering
doing.

    >> religious political extremists like pat robertson, ralph reed and
donald wildmon (american family association) and others have already
spoken out on the issue and are mobilizing their evil empires via
letter-writing campaigns.

    >> so write your support today!!!!
    >>
    >>please forward this message to everyone you know and encourage then
to forward it.  if you run a bulletin board or are able to post to one,
post this message freely.

   >>this is what pat robertson is saying:
    >>"i find it hard to believe [that they're considering having ellen
come out of the closet].  she's so popular, she's such an attractive
actress-i think it will hurt her ratings.  i don't think the american
people are ready for that, frankly."
    >>
    >>isn't it about time pat robertson stopped telling us what we're
ready for?

    >> write your email today and let disney, abc and the producers of
ellen know that we're more than ready for ellen to come out of the closet.

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from:         guinione@aol.com
subject:      new hampshire ......

ig lovers ....

i'm ready ... i'm gonna nix the tape tree idea, due to the fact that the nyc
dubbing went pretty well ... and this way you don't lose anything through the
generations of the tape ... mine is direct off the master - so the one you'll
all receive from me is 2nd generation ... where as the nyc show was 1st gen
(but a not so great show - due to the crowd) ... this nh show is incredible
...

so here's the deal ...

1st - if you have any questions - e-mail me privately (do not pos to the
whole list - none of us like that :)

2nd - if you have anything to trade, send me a list ....

3rd - if you don't have anything to trade - here's what you need to send me
....

for ig & mm's sets - two 90 minute tapes and sase
for ig only - send a 90 and a 60 minute tape plus sase

to:

chris antolini
61 cardinal street
fairfield, ct 06432

also - enclose a note in with your package - so i know exactly which show i'm
dubbing for you :)

cool ?????

thank you all for being patient over the weekend - although a few people
couldn't resist sending e-mail, i wasn't overwhelmed with mail !!!

i'm still w/o a car - they probably won't begin work on it until the end of
the week - so i have to work on actually getting a rental car tomorrow ......
ugh .....

chris (the guini-meister !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

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subject:      urrgghhh..

        i'm a bit angry about this whole bread and roses thing.

        my entirely hectic summer included moving out of a house i love
and away from a brother whom has acted like a father all my life.  three
days before the move back in july, i was completely down and my brother's
fiancee came up to me with the sf examiner.

        in  black print under the column of "just announced", there it
was:  bread and rose benefit: indigo girls, joan..blah blah blah...

        but everyone i called, from bass ticketmaster, to red and white
fleet (the ferry co. that handles all alcatraz events) had no idea what i
was talking about...even the office for bread and roses didn't answer.  i
continued my search for the truth for 3 long weeks, only to get responses
tthat could be summed up as "girl...you're a loon...we have no idea what
you're talking about...stop calling us..."  and i gave up.

        so the night of october 19th, i was in sf...at the great american
music hall, watching luscious jackson...and knowing that the girls were
on an island in the pacific not too far away...and finding this all out
that very day!

        don't get me wrong...luscious jackson was great!

        but all i kept thinking in that great american music hall was
"hey...this is the venue that the girls recorded 'tangled up in blue' for
1200 curfews..."  sigh sigh sigh.

        life is too cruel sometimes...

peace and wild geese,
teri

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you wrote:
>
>the original message was received at sun, 20 oct 1996 19:52:50 -0700
>from hugh404@ala-ca12-07.ix.netcom.com [199.35.209.199]
>
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>... while talking to netspace.com.:
>>>> rcpt to:<indigo-girls@netspace.com>

>oh susanna wrote:
>>
>>but the real, true, burning issue of the evening is....
>>
>>what the fnark am i supposed to do with all these maxell points? what

>are they
>>for? can i trade them in for a lifesize amy ray doll for corinne?
>(bwa)
>>
>>susan
>
>the serious answer is nothing (bummer).  they were exchangeable for
>tapes (150 pts per xlii 90).  but even that had a down side.  they
>wrapped and mailed each tape individually, an incredible waste of
>resources (except for the entertainment of coming home from work and
>receiving 37 odd little packages of value).  now the official (from
>maxell) work is that they are worthless.  however, i still save mine
>and have approximately 3 zillion worth pouring out of my hall closet
>every time i fish for my tape cleaner.
>
>maybe we should have a contest for amusing fictional uses for maxell
>points.  i think they should be used like indulgences:  cash in 100
>points to excuse stopping an ig song in mid-verse, 10,000 points for
>missing a concert in your area code.  any other ideas?
>
>hugh barroll
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from:         melissa a kennelly <mkennell@baldwinw.edu>
subject:      re: attn: lesbians and bi-women (nigc)
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hey carolyn, if i'm not too late and you still need some interviewees, i
am interested.  although i have a feeling you got a pretty good response
already from this list, but i'm here anyway so let me know!
melissa


on fri, 18 oct 1996, carolyn chow wrote:

> hey all,
>
> got a favor to ask.  i'm doing my master's thesis on lesbian and bi
> (sexual minority) identity, specifically, the social construction of
> identity.  i'm short interviews and thought maybe some of you might be
> willing to help me out.
>
> i have a survey of 9 open-ended questions that should take no longer than
> half an hour to fill out.  your name would in no way be tied to any of
> your answers because you would choose a pseudonym.
>
> anyone who would be interested in helping me out, please mail me and i'll
> send you the questions.
>
> you'd totally be helping me graduate!  plus, you'd learn a lot about
> yourself.  please, please, please? i'll buy you an ice cream cone.  :)
>
> thanks!
>
> carolyn
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subject:      re: boys on the side

speaking of boys on the side, i remember reading that amy and emily also did
lou reed's sweet jane, only to get cut out of the finished film.  does anyone
know if this footage still exists, available anywhere?!
stephen

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x-to:         andrade@az.com

just today, i was sitting in burger king when, lo and behold...galileo!!  as
a force of habit, i start using the table as a drum for the beginning and a
girl passes by and says "emily in the house, ya'll!" and walks out the door.
    :):):):):):)
just thought i'd share...
stephen

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subject:      this baseball thing (migc)
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>
> braves, indians, vikings, yankees - - who cares.  i want the braves to win
> simply because a&e are from atlanta. (and i was born/raised in ny!)
>  - jen hall
>
um, i know they're out of the picture and all, but let's just settle this
baseball team name thing once and for all.  i think every team should be
named after some ridiculous activity such as trolley dodging.  or maybe
atlanta's conflict-causing team could be renamed for a couple of the
city's most famous residents (hmmm....)

always a dodger....
the lone coyote

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subject:      re: maxell points

you know,  i've often thought that this list is singlehandedly supporting
the maxell tape company...they really should do us a favor and send us all
a lifesize amy ray doll.  mine can come with a small child that looks very
similar to amy and me...hee hee hee....

peace, love, and purple,
the one and only...sundarling!

"we all die and we all spend money"

                        amy ray

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subject:      re: alcatraz review (short p.s.)

thanks to anna and tina for helping me with a couple of points.  of
course, it was emily who blew us away with it's all right.  also the
dar williams song i couldn't recall was when i was a boy, a delightful
song of the youth in us all and the things that connect us across
gender lines.

hugh barroll

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subject:      re: maxell points

in a message dated 96-10-21 18:08:34 edt, lori writes:

<< a life size amy ray doll sounds good - any other ideas?
lori >>

ooooohhh...that sounds kind of creepy.
my friend used to have a life size doll of a little boy
(i think it's name was peter) it was scary...kind
of like 'village of the damned' *shudder*...we used to
put coats and stuff over it at slumber parties so
it's lifeless eyes would quit staring at us...
(....indigo's of the daaaamned...oh spooky...)

binkles
"she's like a spider waitin' for a kiiiiiiilllll..cruella, cruella de ville
!"

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   blessed be to anyone who saw that damn alcatraz concert. dar, joan and
the girls for one concert. i'd give up my first born to see that. is
there a boot out there(maybe.....possibly?). if so someone let me know!
thanks,
ben

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so how about a nice little plush amy! one that looks like mattell made
it. hell, if the toy became popular enough we could make it into a
saturday morning cartoon. the merchandising possibilities are endless.
amy staple sweaters, amy lunch boxes, amy color forms(remember them!).....
ben

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subject:      6/30/94 the knitting factory

hey y'all,

    i was watching my video of the 6/30/94 knitting factory show in ny and
near the end of the show amy does a song that i don't even know, something
about the fisherman and the fisherman's son.  i heard her do the beginning
of this soung for a sound check at red rocks, but i don't know the title.
then emily does one i haven't heard before and then they do cortez the
killer.
    what i'm wondering is if anyone out there has an audio tape of this
(wanna trade?) and/or the setlist so i can get the titles of these songs.
    it looks like i'll be putting three or four songs from this show on the
compilation video i'm doing for the list. along with dozens of other
goodies.  i'm shooting for a 3 hour video. and i finally came up with a
title (although this may change by xmas).

                        --sunny,
        who still needs video dubber branches

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subject:      re: this baseball thing (migc)

in a message dated 96-10-21 22:26:11 edt, you write:

<< atlanta's conflict-causing team could be renamed for a couple of the
city's most famous residents (hmmm....) >>

oooo....the atlanta indigo's
           the atlanta chickenmen
           the atlanta rays
           the atlanta nomads
           the atlanta fugitives
            the atlanta ghosts

works for me :) and instead of the 'tomahawk chop' the fans can
chant "three hits to the heart son !!!!!!"
(or would that be "three strikes ?)
:)
binky
( oh !~!! i remember the life size scary doll's full name !!!!!!
  peter play pal !!! aaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh !!!!!)

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date:         tue, 22 oct 1996 00:01:42 -0500
reply-to:     ryan <ryan@ou.edu>
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from:         ryan <ryan@ou.edu>
subject:      a request<sigc>

hi all,
i've heard everybody talk about a list shirt and i guess i was wondering if
anyone could tell me about it.  maybe even possibly get my hands on one...
anyone who feels a slight twinge of pity for a poor, shirtless newbie feel
free to message me with your scoffing.  i'm up for anything.
keep on groovin',
ryan
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love that's true,
multiply life by the
power of two."
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date:         tue, 22 oct 1996 00:43:49 -0400
reply-to:     renee l grebe <grebe+@cmu.edu>
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from:         renee l grebe <grebe+@cmu.edu>
subject:      funny mom...

i re-sent that "you know you're obsessed" top ten to my mom, and this is
what she wrote back to me!!!

excerpts from mail: 21-oct-96 re:  by my mom...
> funny - the obsessed top ten - but even scarier that "i" understand and
> it's all your fault.


i had to laugh when i read that!!!!
renee

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date:         tue, 22 oct 1996 01:18:03 -0400
reply-to:     indigojrny@aol.com
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subject:      ig at world series

i know that last year chrissie hynde got to sing the national anthem at the
world series game in cleveland. i really wish that the indigo girls would
sing it in atlanta. i know emily would love it ........she is much more into
the braves than amy. that's just my opinion. i don't know who decides these
things. i really was hoping it would happen last year but no luck. so, since
the braves are in it again, i think they really owe it to me to sing this
year.
can't you just picture them singing it?
jean

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date:         tue, 22 oct 1996 01:33:52 edt
reply-to:     mary kushman <ugkushma@ecuvm.cis.ecu.edu>
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from:         mary kushman <ugkushma@ecuvm.cis.ecu.edu>
subject:      i'm changing addresses!

hey--for those of you i am working out trades with and also my bumbershooters--

i have switched my address at which i receive the ig mailing list to

mekindigo@ecu.campus.mci.net.

i will be taking this address of the list right now!

i can still be reached at my old ecuvm address by reply and will still check
that account for personal messages.

but i want to make it clear that i am not leaving!  just moving...

see y'all at the new address!

mary  :)

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date:         tue, 22 oct 1996 01:52:53 -0500
reply-to:     "mary e. kushman" <mekindigo@ecu.campus.mci.net>
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from:         "mary e. kushman" <mekindigo@ecu.campus.mci.net>
subject:      here i am!  (nigc)

just thought i'd send a test message to the list.  i've sent from this
address before, so obviously it works.

and greta, mandy, and jen--we can handle the trade business at my old
address; that would probably be easiest right now.

sorry to waste bandwidth, but i did want to try this out!

mary  :)

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date:         tue, 22 oct 1996 02:11:04 -0400
reply-to:     simply v <vjt8118@is4.nyu.edu>
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subject:      re: maxell points
in-reply-to:  <pine.sol.3.91.961021205241.17423b-100000@email1.asu.edu>

i don't want to slight any of the amy lovers on this list (cause there are
many), but for all of those fellow emily lovers, like moi, i wouldn't mind
seeing an emily doll...and then a sara lee doll would just about complete
the ig collection (along with a little pound cake to go with it for name's
sake).
was just thinking...

veronica


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date:         tue, 22 oct 1996 00:40:08 -0600
reply-to:     corinne simpson <corinne@utah-inter.net>
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subject:      life size amy doll

sorry kiddos, the life size amy ray doll that  susanna (my dearest love) is
getting from maxell is for me and only me.  if you want it you can come
over and give me a dollar. then i will let you look at her and that's all.

and they should call them the atlanta amy and emilys.  (okay a big just
kidding on all of this)

corinne
ps who wants to macarena in the airport?  karen???  ;-)

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subject:      re: positive reassurance?

hmm...this whole concert discussion has been a bit negative...oh, and by the
way, official announcement for anyone who cares (and people i write to a lot
already know this or will soon) i am indirabbit, yes, but the same person
(katy :)  (i think :) as motor625.  sooo...though i am suffering an identity
crisis i am not completely insane.  motor's still alive for a while...anyway,
back on topic!
i had a wonderful, wonderful experience at the concert i was at in norfolk,
even though there were negatives.  negatives...sigh...but it was so cool!  i
was in line for several hours and met the greatest people!  everyone was so
friendly and we just struck up conversations with the people behind us, who
now i still correspond with.  how's that, lasting friendship based on ig?  :)
ig and related lead to a nicer bunch of people than your average group,
imho.  those women we met also sent us pictures of ig once we were unable to
get past the under-21 barriers...it was, all in all, a very very nice
experience.  we all got along and had a wonderful time and everyone i met
(with the exceptions of the security guards :) was terrific.  a very indigo
experience.
happy thread!  oh, yeah, and i am officially also delurking my friend who
just signed on (well, i got to her house and signed her on :) and she thinks
a poster of everything i needed to know would be a grand idea ;-)  dontcha,
christy?  :)
love, and sorry if it's rambling, my aspirin hasn't kicked in...
katy

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subject:      another fun topic !!

ok. the, obsessed, thing is always fun.  but another lister and i were
thinking of another topic to play around with.  a poll...

here it is...

...a&e's hair !

do you like emily's hair long like it was in the early days or short like
it is today?

...in a similar fashion...

do you like amy's hair long like it was in the early days or short like it
is today?

i'll keep track of the polls if this thing takes off.

peace,
- jen hall

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date:         tue, 22 oct 1996 02:46:16 +0100
reply-to:     sharon jennings <rcxsj@unix.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk>
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subject:      punk version of ctf!!!

yes it does really exist. i work at a college radio station and just a few
minutes ago i was talking to a guy who has a punk music show...... he
played it for me!!!! it's a lot faster and louder with thrashing guitars
but all in all it's ok...... it could be a lot worse :)

band: sicko
album: you can feel the love in this room
label: empty records
address: po box 12034
seattle, wa 98102.

take care all
sharon.... the brit abroad.

"i can't imagine having separate careers. my greatest fear is that it'll end."
                                                  emily saliers
               "my greatest fear is that emily has a fear that it'll end."
                                                     amy ray

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reply-to:     indigopony@aol.com
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subject:      the virtues of cable radio (sigc!)

i received a free week of cable radio (i _never_ listen to radio because all
of
the stations around here are extremely limited in what they play, but it was
a free trial, so what the heck...), and i've been listening to the "eclectic
channel" in hopes of catching some good (i.e., ig-related) music... a few
days ago they played nanci griffith and shawn colvin (yippee!), but i began
to despair of ever hearing ig... well, today i walked into my family room and
heard the familiar strains of "joking"! =)  i was so surprised to hear it
that i
checked to make sure i hadn't left my cd player (which can, of course,
magically turn itself on and off) in the room... heck, i probably would have
been _less_ shocked to find a and e themselves in my house, giving me
a private concert <grin>.  but i got over my initial heart attack, promptly
collected my jaw from the floor, and started dancing around with a big
goofy grin on my face (hi, s'moeba!).  the only downside is that cable
radio has no disc jockeys to say "that was indigo girls playing their smash
hit "joking" from rites of passage.  check out this extremely talented duo!".

well, *i* would have said that if i had been a dj...;)  okay, i think i'm
finished now. =) sorry about the bandwidth, but i felt compelled to share
with
other fans... it totally made my day (no, i don't have a life! =).
peace, love, and obsession,
ponyhead, who _finally_ got to hear ig on the radio!

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subject:      re: marianne's dilemma

>anyway, i am in no way demanding that i
get a copy -- i couldn't care less, actually.  i probably >shouldn't have
even
posted my original message...  it was a bit flip -- i was in a >bad mood that
day...
>>
yeah, i had this problem, too.   i really would like the tape, so most of my
post was out of jealousy.  my apologies :)
stephen

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date:         tue, 22 oct 1996 08:43:55 -0400
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subject:      re: ig & strange places we hear them

hey y'all,

my roomate is taking a kickboxing class and was trying to decided whether
or not i would like it when all of the sudden power of two came on. she
immediatley decided that beacuse ig came on that she needed to drag me along:)

eb

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date:         tue, 22 oct 1996 09:35:27 edt
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subject:      re: a&e's hair !

both long!  yea!

joni  :>}

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subject:      pal/u.s. format videos (nigc)

does anybody out there have the capability to convert a pal video tape to
u.s. format?  if so,  i can set you up with some live ig audio cassettes for
your trouble.

please email me privately

thanks

carolyn

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subject:      re: maxell points

on mon, 21 oct 1996 23:24:33 -0400, <mmedido@aol.com> wrote:

>in a message dated 96-10-21 18:08:34 edt, lori writes:
>
><< a life size amy ray doll sounds good - any other ideas?
> lori >>
>
>ooooohhh...that sounds kind of creepy.
>my friend used to have a life size doll of a little boy
>(i think it's name was peter) it was scary...kind
>of like 'village of the damned' *shudder*...

really creepy!  my cousin has a lifesize doll that she had as a kid.  now
it comes to all of our family reunions as "maggie".  it reminds us all of
chuckie from child's play.  don't think i could handle an amy version
mainly because doll designers never get things quite right and the doll
always ends up spooky looking!

lisa

lisa nordeen
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from:         "amy j. putnam" <pegasus@crl.com>
subject:      re: ig at world series
x-to:         indigojrny@aol.com
in-reply-to:  <961022011803_1481061994@emout06.mail.aol.com>

> world series game in cleveland. i really wish that the indigo girls would
> sing it in atlanta. i know emily would love it ........she is much more into
> the braves than amy. that's just my opinion. i don't know who decides these
> things. i really was hoping it would happen last year but no luck. so, since
> the braves are in it again, i think they really owe it to me to sing this
> year.

actually, thy probably wouldnt sing it, even if asked.  i heard amy
at newport '95 talking about the olympics.  she said they would be happy
to do someting with the olympics *except* sing the national anthem
becuase both of themfeel it is too warlike.  so, i doubt they would do
it for the world series, either.

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subject:      re: maxell points

in a message dated 96-10-21 18:08:34 edt, lori writes:
>
><< a life size amy ray doll sounds good - any other ideas?
> lori >>
:)!!!!!!!
nu uh... the size of a barbie, but built like a real womyn, not some long
legged, impossibley shaped freak...and, uh...
we musn't ferget those nifty packaged accesories.... like the guitar
complete with broken strings, and the "you too can have an amy tatoo"
temporary tatooing kit... ( oh, i could have fun with *this* list of
items... but will leave it to you all?:) )<--- my attempt at band
conservation...
peace, kim ( who wishes there were an emily doll too... )
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
      <just kim>rcn@prcn.org
"isn't it a shame about men? they have a
penis and a brain, but only enough blood to
operate one at a time."
---------------robin williams---------------
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>

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subject:      nigc: karen capaldi in seattle now!

hey all - and especially those folks in the pacific northwest,

i've been lurking here for a bit, mostly to reminisce about bumbershoot,
which was of course, incredible, not only for the girls, but for all the
music, old and new, that i was able to catch.  it was the first time
that i'd seen live performances by laura love, catie curtis, michelle
malone, and danielle howle, all of whom rocked.

which brings me to my reason for posting - i'm plugging some shows for
karen capaldi, an indie singer/songwriter from denver, currently playing
some dates in the seattle/tacoma area.  if any of you can make these, i
highly recommend checking her out - you won't be disappointed!  she
rocks.  and not that it matters at all, but she's family, and has a
great sexy mic voice... heh.  i also included some press clippings at
the end of this post.  she's got two cds out, and there's a bunch of
info on her web page.  say hi from lori if you go see her!

peace, love and new music,
lori
lori.shiraishi@jpl.nasa.gov

p.s. i was also hanging out at caroline aiken's shows at b'shoot and at
the tacoma borders, so i think i may have seen some of ya's there.
---------------------------------------

karen capaldi's tour schedule:

10/23 --the wild rose, seattle, wa -- 8pm $?
10/25 -- university of wa, seattle, wa -- noon
10/25 -- shakabra java,, tacoma, wa -- 9pm $2
10/26 -- roadrunner coffeehouse, seattle, wa -- 9pm $5
11/2 -- madison's cafe w/ erin corday seattle, wa -- 8pm $5

11/8 -- euphemia's place denver, co -- 9pm $5
11/15 -- bonnington house melvern, pa -- 8pm $?
11/16 -- tin angel (tent.opener) philly, pa
11/17 -- wxpn live interview with gene shay, philly pa, 8pm
11/20 -- music americana showcase washington, dc -- 8:30pm $?
11/22 -- millwood junction mancus, co -- 9pm
11/23 -- the loft (w.a.r.? cd release) durango, co
11/24 -- rico theater (w.a.r.? cd release) rico, co
11/30 -- avogadoro's # ft. collins, co -- 8pm

for more info:
email lushusgp@aol.com
luscious girlpeach productions
po box 7228, boulder, co 80306
303.863.9860
website: http://www.colorado.net/pickleheat/kcapaldi.html
---------------------------------
press (and others) quotes

"i remember the first time i heard karen capaldi's voice: her cd was
playing at a coffeehouse and i went up to the owner immediately to
find out who the heck was sounding so damn good! more people
should get a chance to hear this extremely talented singer/songwriter."
~catie curtis, guardian records


"it's a mostly acoustic affair,... capaldi sings in a graceful alto. it
whispers and trembles as she ruminates on love and the damage done. she
also displays some pretty neat guitar chops on the acoustic guitar.
'martyr of this dance' is an especially nice tune...'change the frame'
and 'save myself again' are both stand outs."

~neil fagan, the performing songwriter (vol.3, issue 14) top 12
independent recordings


"her deep voice, offering a hint of genuine rasp, reaches out over the
crowd of women like steam heat on a cold day -- wrapping around them
and inviting them to curl up with their thoughts...karen's 'folksy-
with-an-attitude' style is intoxicating."

~cathy guthrie, lesbians in colorado


"parade captures a young artist growing in confidence and command of
her craft. its songs mark a significant advance since her strong debut
album, and her performance is remarkably evocative and emotional
without ever lapsing into stridency or gimmicks."

"when opening for dar williams for our lawrence, kansas folk series,
karen charmed the packed house. she has a standing invitation to play
for us."

~bob mcwilliams, west side folk/ kanu lawrence ks


"the quality of her lyrics and guitar artistry are as compelling as any
folk/rock artist working today. the slight catch and breathy quality of
her voice have the ability to evoke hope and joy in the midst of
difficult subject matter, while remaining grounded at the same time."

~bruce franks, editor of crossroads magazine

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reply-to:     jamie_pastiglione@scns.spfldcol.edu
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from:         jamie pastiglione <jamie_pastiglione@scns.spfldcol.edu>
subject:      re: a&e's hair !
x-to:         jcyr@mit.edu

anyone on the list from springfield, northanpton area? it would be great to sit
and chat over coffee.
jamie

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date:         tue, 22 oct 1996 07:42:24 -0700
reply-to:     "kim: goddess in her own reality" <rcn@prcn.org>
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subject:      more re: maxell points

at 08:55 am 10/22/96 -0600, lisa wrote:
>don't think i could handle an amy version
>mainly because doll designers never get things quite right and the doll
>always ends up spooky looking!
hey... my mom is a world class cernit doll sculpter who's dolls sell for
upwards of $1,000.00 ( she's bedridden too + only discovered her talent a
few years back... ) i wonder if i could talk her into doing portrait dolls
of a+e as a gift to them... if anyone could get 'em right, she could :)...
my sister + i have written rosie o'donnel ( who collects dolls ) about
mom... so why not a free gift for the ig's too?.... hmmmmm.... now kim
really starts to think...
peace... kim
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penis and a brain, but only enough blood to
operate one at a time."
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date:         tue, 22 oct 1996 10:19:26 -0500
reply-to:     yamamoto <eyamamot@trinity.edu>
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from:         yamamoto <eyamamot@trinity.edu>
subject:      [gd] easy money!! it's true! just read this!
x-to:         greenday@puck.nether.net, abba-list@csn.org,
              vanhalen@lists.fdt.net, sci-fi-fantasy@listserv.prodigy.com,
              real-nyc@listserv.prodigy.com, mls-la@americasnet.com,
              allman@netspace.org, aerosmith-fans@dartmouth.edu,
              jpop.tcp.com@tucc7.tucc.trinity.edu, jpop-digest@tcp.com,
              dorama@sgigate.sgi.com, amuro@jmt.tokyo.jst-c.go.jp,
              aerosmith-fans-digest@dartmouth.edu, alumnet@dartmouth.edu,
              bug-gnuplot@dartmouth.edu, communications-comm@dartmouth.edu,
              cs-alums@dartmouth.edu, cs-tr@dartmouth.edu,
              d-86-list@dartmouth.edu, global-l@dartmouth.edu

i'm not joking. this is a great opportunity
but, don't take my word for it. just try it. heck, i'm trying it out
because of my own ambition and you too could be rich in a short time. it
only takes a few minutes.

i saw an article in an internet magazine newsgroup telling me i could
make $50,000 within a month for an investment of only $5.

i thought it was a huge joke as it obviously sounds like. i spoke to my
other college friends and best friends and they all agreed it was some
kind of scam. i can't stand scams because usually someone gets burned and
i didn't want that person to be me. let me tell you from experience that
i have been burned by these crazy name compiling jobs and circular
mailing jobs that are supposed to make you rich.it doesn't work as easy
at it sounds.about this one, i rejected the idea at first but after a
short period of about 2 weeks, i thought, "i have already heard of such
things. but on the internet?!?!?!?". i decided that even if i had to
throw $5 into the fire, i wouldn't mind that much and so i gave it a try.
about these other name compiling or circular mailing jobs. it at least
requires you to pay $20-$50 for supplies and by the time you get the
supplies, the job turns out to be much different and tougher than you
expected and then you waste your money that way. that's how i learned
never to invest that amount of money but $5 was much more reasonable.
after all, i needed a whole lot more than five dollars!!

one week later, i began to receive money---every day!!
i couldn't believe it! soon ,hundreds, and then thousands of dollars
began to roll in. within 6 weeks, i had received a total of $47,326.
heck, guess how many people make that or don't make that in a year from
going to work everyday and coming home tired!! it came from everywhere in
the world. my bank account seriously has changed its "-" in to a big "+"!!!

if you follow the 3 steps below, there is no reason why the same
shouldn't happen to you! this is a legitimate investment opportunity. you
invest $5, and you receive a return on your investment. so does the nest
investor. not illegal, not a chain letter--perfectly legitimate!!

if you are not interested, then you need not participate. but, please
print this article and pass it on to someone who may be interested so
they can take the major advantage and make bundles of cash like i was
able to do.

the procedure is simple.

1) write your name and address and e-mail address and the name of the
newsgroup where you learned of this on 5 sheets of paper.below that,
write the words "please add me to your list." fold a $1 note or bank draft
or money order in each piece of paper and send them to the following 5
addresses:

1. daniel dekonty
lee college #88
1120 n. ocoee street
cleveland, tn 37320 usa

2. don noel
222 ne dogwood st. #c103
issaquah, wa 98027  usa

3. eric horn
240 robert court #203
glendale heights, illinois  60139
usa

4. aaron degler
921 fargo blvd.
geneva, illinois  60134
usa

5. eugene yamamoto
#02085
715 stadium drive
san antonio,tx  78212-7200
usa


2) now remove the top name from the list, and move the other four names
up. in other words, #5 becomes #4 and so on. put your name as the fifth
one on the list. that's what i did and all i did. use a simple text
editor such as notepad in your accessories window(if you have ms-windows)
or dos editor. in fact, any editor will do!

3) post the article to at least 200 newsgroups. there are 17,000 so it
shouldn't be hard to find that many. try posting to as many as
newsgroups(mailing lists) as you can, and the bigger the newsgroup is,
the more people are to see your message!!

you are now in the order services business and should start seeing returns
within a week or two. of course, the more newsgroups you post to, the
greater your returns are. if you wish to remain anonymous, you may use a
pseudonym, call yourself "the manager", "the boss", or whatever but make
sure your address is correct!

now here is why the system works:

- of every 200 posts i made, i received 5 responses, yes, only 5!! you
make $5 for every 200 posts with your name at #5

- each person who sent you $1 now also make 200 additional postings with
your name at #4. ie. 1000 postings. on average therefore, 50 people will
send you $1 with your name at #4 ---$50!!

- your 50 new agents make 200 postings each with your name at #3 or
10,000 postings. average return 500 people = $500!! they make 200
postings each with your name at #2 = 100,000 postings= 5000 returns at $1
each = $5000!!

- finally, 5000 people make 200 postings with your name at #1 and you get
a return of $50,000 before your name drops off the list. and that's if
everyone down the line makes 200 postings!! total income in one cycle if
all goes well and as planned = $55,000!!!!!!!

from time to time, when you see your name no longer on the list, you take
the latest posting that appears in the newsgroups and send out another $5
and put your name at #5 and start posting again.

remember, 200 postings is only a guideline. the more you post, the
greater the return.

let's review why you should do this. the only cost is $5!! anyone can
afford $5 for such an effortless investment with such spectacular returns!!

some people have said to me "what happens if the scheme is played out and
no one sends me any money??"
big deal, so you lose $5-- but what are the chances of that happening??
do you realize that nobody cares for the legal chance of winning such a
big amount of $$ as 50000.00 $$$$  ???? and all for a microscopic
investment of 5 separate dollars? just think of all the new internet
users that join the net everyday!!!

there are millions of internet users and millions of new net surfers
every month!!! this is the great plus of the internet, people all over
the world can hear you and listen carefully if you talk reasonably.
everyone will take that chance! i agree. if it wasn't for the internet
and a small circle of people, the chance wouldn't have been so small. the
amount of money had to be 200 times bigger, and the chances were zero, it
wouldn't succeed.

but, here, on the internet, it is a giant village where new thousands of
members join in everyday! you can't lose!!

remember- read the instructions carefully and play fairly. that's the
only way this will work. get a printout so you can refer back to this
article easily.

try to keep a list of everyone that sends you money and always keep an
eye on the postings to make sure everyone is playing fairly. you know
where your name should be.

remember- honesty is the best policy. you do not need to cheat this idea
to make money!! besides, not playing the game fairly is illegal. let's be
reasonable and play fairly so we can all enjoy the internet gold mine.

good luck for you all and remember, play fair and you'll win, i don't
want to mention what might happen to those who won't. and again, see you
next time with something you wanted for such a long time!!


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date:         tue, 22 oct 1996 10:33:26 -0500
reply-to:     tritessa <gsajaf@noctrl.edu>
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from:         tritessa <gsajaf@noctrl.edu>
subject:      re: [gd] easy money!! it's true! just read this!
x-to:         yamamoto <eyamamot@trinity.edu>
in-reply-to:  <pine.hpp.3.91.961021222855.18120a-100000@tucc7.tucc.trinity.edu>

geezus, not again! what's the way to write to this person's sysadmin?
(that's right yamamoto... you're making a lot of people mad, prepare to
have your account yanked... btw, this is illegal, dearie.)

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date:         tue, 22 oct 1996 12:42:52 est
reply-to:     "cynthia a. crecca" <crecca@admin.njit.edu>
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from:         "cynthia a. crecca" <crecca@admin.njit.edu>
subject:      nigc: getting rid of pyramid schemes (legal remedies)

my apologies in advance to all who hate and are really sick of this topic.
i am posting this to the list because i detest these annoying e-mails (i get
about 10-20 a week) and did some research into the legality of them.  this
post is for all of you who want to know some of the legal facts regarding these
e-mails and how to stop them. (deleting them doesn't make them go away
unfortunately.)

besides being a scam, get-rich solication like we have been getting on this listare illegal.  we all know that.  here are some of the laws they violate and
the fines one could receive and what we can do...

1.  pyramid schemes are generally illegal becuase they are deceptive and fall       under all sorts of fraud laws.

2.  illegal under title 18 us code section 1302, postal lottery statue which
    states soliciting $ through the mail, in person, over computer, and
    promising a substantial return is illegal.  punishable by a fine of $1000.00    and/or up to 2 years in prison for first offense.

3.   illegal under california penal codes section 325 and 327 with up to 3 years     in prision and all money made forfeited to the state.  section 1618.2
     states all people effected by the suit (i think we are talking civil codes
     here) can sue... (i think)

4.  pryamid scheme participation according to the fair trading act could lead to    fines of $20.000.00 for and individual and $100,000.00 for a company.

5.  illegal under us code 47.5.ii section 227 to send an "unsolicited
advertisment".  under this law, an individual could be sued up to 500 bucks
     for each offending e-mail sent.

when you get e-mails like the ones we all hate:
1.  send a letter to the offender's postmaster and complain nicely.  it is not
    the postmaster who sent the e-mail so be nice to him/her.  ask them to
     take action and suspend the account of the annoying bastard... :-)

2.  fun fun fun--- print out a hard copy of the e-mail and send it to your
    local postal inspector (address:  postal inspector, your town, your city,
     your state, your zip for us residents.  don't need a stamp) with i believe
     this may be illegal or something written on it.  they will forward ot to
     the powers that be who will harrass (hopefully) the sender who put his/her
     name and mailing address in the e-mail.

3.   write to the person who sent it and explain how annoying they are and what
     laws they just broke.  maybe they won't do it again...


sorry to waste everybody's time, but it is good to know the legal implications
when you flame people for being annoying.

i like amy and emily with hair of any length and would still like 'em if they
went and shaved it all off like michael stipe.  (sorry jen, does that blow
your whole survey?)

cynthia crecca
crecca@admin.njjit.edu

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date:         tue, 22 oct 1996 13:34:50 edt
reply-to:     deng@vnet.ibm.com
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         deng@vnet.ibm.com
subject:      cdn means & bumbershoot boot info

cdn = canadians

(we're the ones waaaay up north eh?!)


i still have yet to reply to everyone who e-mailed regarding the bumber-
shoot boot, so hang onto your 'net and i'll be getting back as soon as
i'm not in a meeting! (dilbert strikes again).  for those who asked about
who to contact for their branch, don't e-mail me!  i've lost the address
to the person who i got the original dub from, so you'll have to hope that
someone on the list remembers and will let you know.  sorry 'bout that.

and also i don't mind booting to other places since i've mailed to
us and uk (hey, i get three countries instead of one astrological sign!)
but just be aware that it will take longer and postage may be tricky -
usually postage to get from canada back to your country (this includes
the us) isn't available so cash is the next best thing.

i was wondering: i know that on the dar williams list i read about
how booting was not discouraged, but that people who did so were
encouraged to donate to the dar's mortal earth (sp?) fund.  is there
anything like this for the ig list?  or boot etiquette i don't know
about? tx,


denise e.

p.s.  thanks for clearing up the amy & glasses issue!

this is totally irrelevant, but i just got e-mail from an ig'er at
microsoft today and i laughed 'cause i'm not sure if someone from
ibm is allowed to write back... ;)

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date:         tue, 22 oct 1996 12:28:03 -0600
reply-to:     corinne simpson <corinne@utah-inter.net>
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from:         corinne simpson <corinne@utah-inter.net>
subject:      more bumbershoot info

in response to denise's post about canadian bumbershoot stuff, here is the
original tape tree for bumbershoot.  if you want a copy of this tape, write
to the person in charge of your birth sign...  and no that is not me
screaming like that.  (my disclaimer.. you knew you were all wondering if i
was the loud screechy girl on the boot, but i'm not!!!)  (thanks for asking
though claire...  ;-))

gemini-- cynthia   crecca@admin.njit.edu
cancer-- mary  kushman... her email changed and i don't have the new
address, so if you are a cancer, well, write to someone else. i don't know.
leo---     chris     talbotc@umich.edu (ask her about her girlfriend)
virgo--   kristina     andrade@az.com
libra---  jessica    a-jessio@microsoft.com
scorpio--  betsy   bbertiaux@spectrumctls.com
sagit --  deb    doobie@student.umass.edu
capricorn--  sundara    smurphy@ups.edu
aquarius-- susan    susan.b.marine@darthmouth.edu
pisces--   lisa     nordeelm@caa.mrs.umn.edu
aries-- melissa    hdtx97a@prodigy.com
taurus---  gwen  gkeyt@paul.spu.edu
uk/eur--  seffy  seffy@epic.co.uk
aus/nz --  sherlyn    sherlyn@fl.net.au
cdn--  denise  deng@vnet.ibm.com


there ya go!  be happy... i am seeing ani tonight!  in salt lake!  for once
i don't have to go hundreds of miles to see the righteous babe.

corinne

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date:         tue, 22 oct 1996 12:22:55 -0500
reply-to:     ".eric" <thie0080@itlabs.umn.edu>
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from:         ".eric" <thie0080@itlabs.umn.edu>
subject:      re: [gd] easy money!! thought.

ok. try these addresses to complaign to:

root@tucc7.tucc.trinity.edu
postmaster@tucc7.tucc.trinity.edu
root@trinity.edu
postmaster@trinity.edu

just forward the entire message, and request that the user's account be
suspended.


.eric

now playing:  ani difranco - dilate
     *****   must buy!!!   ***

"we fight for freedom, which no good man would surrender, but with his life."

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date:         tue, 22 oct 1996 13:28:44 -0400
reply-to:     "peter a. barta" <bartap@bulldog.georgetown.edu>
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from:         "peter a. barta" <bartap@bulldog.georgetown.edu>
subject:      re: [gd] easy money!! it's true! just read this!
in-reply-to:  <pine.hpp.3.91.961021222855.18120a-100000@tucc7.tucc.trinity.edu>

this person is not on this list so replying to it won't reach his/her
ignorant ears. may i suggest that everyone who has a minute send them
back a few copies of the message. if enough of us do it, he/she may learn
a lesson about filling other people's mailboxes with garbage. i just sent
him over a hundred copies of myself.


                                        tired of dealing with this crap,
                                                        peter


peter a. barta
bartap@bulldog.georgetown.edu


"everything that i believe,             "i want to live as an honest man,
crawls from underneath the streets.      to get all i deserve,
everything i truly love,                 and to give all i can,
comes from somewhere high above."        and to love a young woman
                                         that i don't understand."
                        - amy ray
                                                - suzanne vega

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date:         tue, 22 oct 1996 14:46:41 -0700
reply-to:     ralph ryan <sgmpaws@cfanet.com>
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from:         ralph ryan <sgmpaws@cfanet.com>
subject:      a&e's hair

i like amy's hair long, no doubt about it.

emily's hair seems to be fine either way, but i will vote for short like
it is now.

ralph

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date:         tue, 22 oct 1996 15:11:15 -0400
reply-to:     boilrmkr@bu.edu
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from:         boilrmkr@bu.edu
subject:      mailing list

i would like to be on the mailing list
i've been looking for one like this for a long time
please include me!! thanks
anjeanette

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no! i am not prince hamlet, nor was meant to be;
am an attendant lord, one that will do
to swell a progress, start a scene or two,
advise the prince; no doubt, an easy tool,
deferential, glad to be of use,
politic, cautious, and meticulous;
full of high sentence, but a bit obtuse;
at times, indeed, almost ridiculous-
almost, at times, the fool.

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date:         tue, 22 oct 1996 15:10:02 edt
reply-to:     oh susanna <oh.susanna@dartmouth.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "susan b. marine" <susan.b.marine@dartmouth.edu>
subject:      sysadmin address

--- you wrote:
geezus, not again! what's the way to write to this person's sysadmin?
--- end of quoted material ---
oh yeah...in order to tell on this guy (neeener, neener, neener) write to

"administrator@trinity.edu"

stil grrrring

sus

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date:         tue, 22 oct 1996 21:04:22 +0100
reply-to:     indigo jo <mts5@aber.ac.uk>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         indigo jo <mts5@aber.ac.uk>
subject:      re: [gd] easy money!! it's true! just read this!
x-to:         "peter a. barta" <bartap@bulldog.georgetown.edu>
in-reply-to:  <pine.sco.3.91.961022132644.28236b-100000@bulldog.georgetown.edu>

on tue, 22 oct 1996, peter a. barta wrote:

> this person is not on this list so replying to it won't reach his/her
> ignorant ears. may i suggest that everyone who has a minute send them
> back a few copies of the message. if enough of us do it, he/she may learn
> a lesson about filling other people's mailboxes with garbage. i just sent
> him over a hundred copies of myself.

for those of you who use pine, all you have to do is hit the b button.   then
type the sender's address, and enter.   then he will get a copy of his own
message.   then do that, over 100 times ... he will soon get the message i
think!

mat

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adverts and junkmail will be read for 500 pounds sterling per item;
sending such email to me constitutes agreement to pay for the priviledge
of my attention.

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date:         tue, 22 oct 1996 13:25:07 -0700
reply-to:     "daniel a. stout" <dastout@byugate.byu.edu>
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from:         "daniel a. stout" <dastout@byugate.byu.edu>
subject:      pop culture class

   i am teaching a graduate communications course in mass media and
popular culture at brigham young university.  this week we're
discussing rock music (i.e., folk-rock, country western, rap, heavy
metal, etc.) as a pop culture genre.  we've all heard the primary
criticisms of rock and roll: (1) it's mass-produced, commercial, and
therefore lacks musical sophistication, (2) it borrows from "high
culture" music thus debasing it, and (3) the consumption of rock and
roll produces "spurious gratifications" that lack the ability to move
people in the way that high art does.
   i don't think this sounds like the indigo girls.  their music as
well as audience reaction to it seems to debunk some of the myths
about how people experience popular music.
   if you were attending my class tomorrow, what would you say about
the indigo girls experience that might contradict these assertions
that popular music is lacking in substance and artistic quality?

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reply-to:     oh susanna <oh.susanna@dartmouth.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "susan b. marine" <susan.b.marine@dartmouth.edu>
subject:      nonono not again! (nigc)

--- you wrote:
try posting to as many as
newsgroups(mailing lists) as you can, and the bigger the newsgroup is,
the more people are to see your message!!
--- end of quoted material ---
yeah! and that way more and more and more people can be annoyed at what a giant
asshole you are!!!!

start sending little "love notes" to our friend eugene, folks, and maybe he
will get the point

grrrr.....

susan

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from james chang:
        i got this today, read it, then tell me what u think. should i
try it? it only cost $5.

james chang

on tue, 22 oct 1996, yamamoto wrote:

>
> i'm not joking. this is a great opportunity
> but, don't take my word for it. just try it. heck, i'm trying it out
> because of my own ambition and you too could be rich in a short time. it
> only takes a few minutes.
>
> i saw an article in an internet magazine newsgroup telling me i could
> make $50,000 within a month for an investment of only $5.
>
> i thought it was a huge joke as it obviously sounds like. i spoke to my
> other college friends and best friends and they all agreed it was some
> kind of scam. i can't stand scams because usually someone gets burned and
> i didn't want that person to be me. let me tell you from experience that
> i have been burned by these crazy name compiling jobs and circular
> mailing jobs that are supposed to make you rich.it doesn't work as easy
> at it sounds.about this one, i rejected the idea at first but after a
> short period of about 2 weeks, i thought, "i have already heard of such
> things. but on the internet?!?!?!?". i decided that even if i had to
> throw $5 into the fire, i wouldn't mind that much and so i gave it a try.
> about these other name compiling or circular mailing jobs. it at least
> requires you to pay $20-$50 for supplies and by the time you get the
> supplies, the job turns out to be much different and tougher than you
> expected and then you waste your money that way. that's how i learned
> never to invest that amount of money but $5 was much more reasonable.
> after all, i needed a whole lot more than five dollars!!
>
> one week later, i began to receive money---every day!!
> i couldn't believe it! soon ,hundreds, and then thousands of dollars
> began to roll in. within 6 weeks, i had received a total of $47,326.
> heck, guess how many people make that or don't make that in a year from
> going to work everyday and coming home tired!! it came from everywhere in
> the world. my bank account seriously has changed its "-" in to a big "+"!!!
>
> if you follow the 3 steps below, there is no reason why the same
> shouldn't happen to you! this is a legitimate investment opportunity. you
> invest $5, and you receive a return on your investment. so does the nest
> investor. not illegal, not a chain letter--perfectly legitimate!!

> if you are not interested, then you need not participate. but, please
> print this article and pass it on to someone who may be interested so
> they can take the major advantage and make bundles of cash like i was
> able to do.
>
> the procedure is simple.
>
> 1) write your name and address and e-mail address and the name of the
> newsgroup where you learned of this on 5 sheets of paper.below that,
> write the words "please add me to your list." fold a $1 note or bank draft
> or money order in each piece of paper and send them to the following 5
> addresses:
>
> 1. daniel dekonty
> lee college #88
> 1120 n. ocoee street
> cleveland, tn 37320 usa
>
> 2. don noel
> 222 ne dogwood st. #c103
> issaquah, wa 98027  usa
>
> 3. eric horn
> 240 robert court #203
> glendale heights, illinois  60139
> usa
>
> 4. aaron degler
> 921 fargo blvd.
> geneva, illinois  60134
> usa
>
> 5. eugene yamamoto
> #02085
> 715 stadium drive
> san antonio,tx  78212-7200
> usa
>
>
> 2) now remove the top name from the list, and move the other four names
> up. in other words, #5 becomes #4 and so on. put your name as the fifth
> one on the list. that's what i did and all i did. use a simple text
> editor such as notepad in your accessories window(if you have ms-windows)
> or dos editor. in fact, any editor will do!
>
> 3) post the article to at least 200 newsgroups. there are 17,000 so it
> shouldn't be hard to find that many. try posting to as many as
> newsgroups(mailing lists) as you can, and the bigger the newsgroup is,
> the more people are to see your message!!
>
> you are now in the order services business and should start seeing returns
> within a week or two. of course, the more newsgroups you post to, the
> greater your returns are. if you wish to remain anonymous, you may use a
> pseudonym, call yourself "the manager", "the boss", or whatever but make
> sure your address is correct!
>
> now here is why the system works:
>
> - of every 200 posts i made, i received 5 responses, yes, only 5!! you
> make $5 for every 200 posts with your name at #5
>
> - each person who sent you $1 now also make 200 additional postings with
> your name at #4. ie. 1000 postings. on average therefore, 50 people will
> send you $1 with your name at #4 ---$50!!
>
> - your 50 new agents make 200 postings each with your name at #3 or
> 10,000 postings. average return 500 people = $500!! they make 200
> postings each with your name at #2 = 100,000 postings= 5000 returns at $1
> each = $5000!!
>
> - finally, 5000 people make 200 postings with your name at #1 and you get
> a return of $50,000 before your name drops off the list. and that's if
> everyone down the line makes 200 postings!! total income in one cycle if
> all goes well and as planned = $55,000!!!!!!!
>
> from time to time, when you see your name no longer on the list, you take
> the latest posting that appears in the newsgroups and send out another $5
> and put your name at #5 and start posting again.
>
> remember, 200 postings is only a guideline. the more you post, the
> greater the return.
>
> let's review why you should do this. the only cost is $5!! anyone can
> afford $5 for such an effortless investment with such spectacular returns!!
>
> some people have said to me "what happens if the scheme is played out and
> no one sends me any money??"
> big deal, so you lose $5-- but what are the chances of that happening??
> do you realize that nobody cares for the legal chance of winning such a
> big amount of $$ as 50000.00 $$$$  ???? and all for a microscopic
> investment of 5 separate dollars? just think of all the new internet
> users that join the net everyday!!!
>
> there are millions of internet users and millions of new net surfers
> every month!!! this is the great plus of the internet, people all over
> the world can hear you and listen carefully if you talk reasonably.
> everyone will take that chance! i agree. if it wasn't for the internet
> and a small circle of people, the chance wouldn't have been so small. the
> amount of money had to be 200 times bigger, and the chances were zero, it
> wouldn't succeed.
>
> but, here, on the internet, it is a giant village where new thousands of
> members join in everyday! you can't lose!!
>
> remember- read the instructions carefully and play fairly. that's the
> only way this will work. get a printout so you can refer back to this
> article easily.
>
> try to keep a list of everyone that sends you money and always keep an
> eye on the postings to make sure everyone is playing fairly. you know
> where your name should be.
>
> remember- honesty is the best policy. you do not need to cheat this idea
> to make money!! besides, not playing the game fairly is illegal. let's be
> reasonable and play fairly so we can all enjoy the internet gold mine.
>
> good luck for you all and remember, play fair and you'll win, i don't
> want to mention what might happen to those who won't. and again, see you
> next time with something you wanted for such a long time!!
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> the opinions expressed in this message are my own personal views and do
> not reflect the official views of microsoft corporation.
> --
>
>
>
>
>
>

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date:         tue, 22 oct 1996 21:35:48 +0100
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on tue, 22 oct 1996, value is fixed : using "james y. chang" wrote:

> >from james chang:
>         i got this today, read it, then tell me what u think. should i
> try it? it only cost $5.
>
> james chang
>

no don't try it.   they all start with 'i thought this was all a scam' ...
it's just to make you do it.   if you start sending these about you probably
won't receive a penny, but will get an awful lot of flames and probably your
post-master will recieve hundreds of complaints.   don't do it.

mat

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date:         tue, 22 oct 1996 13:26:09 -0700
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organization: van waters & rogers
subject:      nigc: help ellen 'out'

thought this was worth forwarding  - act on it if it strikes your fancy,
otherwise ignore/delete!

>forwarded message:
>subj:    special alert: help ellen out of the closet
>date:    96-10-10 02:10:58 edt
>from:    right2wed
>
>as many of you may already know, the creators of the popular abc sitcom ellen
>are considering having the show's title character, ellen degeneres, come out
>of the closet as a lesbian.  (you may have noticed subtle "closet" and
>"thespian" references in recent shows.)
>
>to show your support for such a positive move, send a quick email to
>
>brad_bergman@studio.disney.com
>
>(you may recognize his email address as the one the southern baptists printed
>in an effort to cause trouble during their anti-disney campaign) and tell him
>how great it would be to have a positive lesbian role-model on prime-time
>television.
>
>act now!   disney (owners of abc), abc and the shows creators must me shown
>how much support there is out here for what they are considering doing.
> religious political extremists like pat robertson, ralph reed and donald
>wildmon (american family association) and others have already spoken out on
>the issue and are mobilizing their evil empires via letter-writing campaigns.
> so write your support today!!!!
>
>please forward this message to everyone you know and encourage then to
>forward it.  if you run a bulletin board or are able to post to one, post
>>this message freely.
>
>this is what pat robertson is saying:
>"i find it hard to believe [that they're considering having ellen come out of
>the closet].  she's so popular, she's such an attractive actress-i think it
>will hurt her ratings.  i don't think the american people are ready for that,
>frankly."
>
>isn't it about time pat robertson stopped telling us what we're ready for?
> write your email today and let disney, abc and the producers of ellen know
>that we're more than ready for ellen to come out of the closet.

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date:         tue, 22 oct 1996 12:49:44 -0600
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from:         karen duncan <kduncan@br.state.ut.us>
subject:      corinne at bumbershoot
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although corinne isn't the loud screechy girl who blew out everyone's
eardrums every few minutes, you can still hear her solo-ing on a few
songs....   :-)

kd

ps - you should have seen her doing the macarena at the airport with her
amy ray doll.  she had the whole crowd clapping with her.  loved it a lot...

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from:         ross comeaux <grc001@engr.latech.edu>
subject:      concerts? album?

everyone,
        did anyone go see the girls on the demonstration tour this august?
i saw them in austin, tx(which is out of my area code) at the backyard-a
really cool show.  my question is, however, are they coming out with a new
album soon?  they played a lot of new songs, but i figured the album would
have come out by now.  also, does anyone know if they will be on tour soon?
thanks!

ross

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from:         tritessa <gsajaf@noctrl.edu>
subject:      duets..
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here's a couple of my picks:

amy and alanis morissette doing jonas and ezekial
emily and sarah mclachlan, love will come to you
amy and melissa etheridge, all along the watchtower (yes, i know it's a
        cover, but i love the way amy does it.)
emily and tori amos, the girl with the weight of the world in her hands
amy and chrissie hynde, blood and fire
emily and elton john, least complicated

i can think of lots more but i won't waste anymore bandwidth!

peace, love, and light... jen

"first you kiss me like a lover, then you sting me like a viper" - e. saliers

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from:         ginyvita@aol.com
subject:      leonard peltier

question... i have lots of ambivilence regarding the entire leonard peltier
situation which brings me to this question... when is it okay to use violence
in the pursuit of a goal or to make a point?

michelle


in a message dated 96-10-21 00:07:34 edt:

<< the canadian arts community is trying to help imprisoned activist leonard
peltier.

canada allowed leonard peltier to be extradited back to the us in 1976.
(this was based on a witness' testimony that was later discredited.)

canadian musicians are asking the canadian government to start
pressuring the us to free peltier. they are releasing a compilation cd
called "pine ridge: an open letter to allan rock" (allan rock is the
justice minister). included on the cd are sarah mclachlan,the
tragically hip, ashley macissac, blue rodeo, etc.
  >>

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from:         "joan m. cyr" <jcyr@mit.edu>
subject:      looking for a boot....

hi everyone!  quick question...looking for a boot...does anyone have "emily
and friends in decatur square 8/4/96" and "emily at rock for aids 2,
8/18/96?"

email me privately if you do....thanks....

joni  :>}

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from:         "james e. preston" <preston@csn.net>
subject:      stop replying to the cc: addresses
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              bug-gnuplot@dartmouth.edu, cs-tr@dartmouth.edu,
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        look, can't you people understand that some ass hole is using
administrator privileges to forge e-mail addresses.  they are doing this
to start an argument that involves hundreds of people on mailing lists
and others just so that they will flame each other.  just delete all of
the addresses on the cc: field of your message before you flame someone
and all of this will stop.


to: yamamoto <eyamamot@trinity.edu>


see above.  it's spam, and it's over.  if ya wanna bitch 'n moan, mail it
to yamamoto-san.

eric


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subject:      re: the bread and roses concert
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hey, did anyone tape this?  it sounds like it was an incredible show!

                                                tuesday's child

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from:         mark anthony donajkowski <madonajk@alpha.delta.edu>
subject:      tapes i owe

this is to the folks i owe tapes to i think its only sunny and one other
but in case its not im sorry im gonna be late with them personal stuff
going on here is keeping me from gettign them to you at this time part of
which is my mri i had done monday and my aunt passing away ill get them to
you as soon as possible id like to keep my status as a good trader

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from:         bob dibetta <dibetta@pacbell.net>
subject:      re: the bread and roses concert

tuesday's child wrote:
>
> hey, did anyone tape this?  it sounds like it was an incredible show!
>
>                                                 tuesday's child
>

not me, unfortunately (okay- stupidly, and yes, i'm regretting it!), but
if anyone did, i'm definately interested, as well...

-tina d.
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subject:      dar williams nigc

hey y'all
     i was wondering if anyone on the list from the cincinnati area is going
to see dar on the 24th.
sorry for the waste of bandwidth........
also, i am going to make a compilation ig tape for my friends birthday and
she is relatively unexposed to the girls.  any suggestions as to songs that
are a must have or any cool orders?
thanks,
*lou*
*************************************************"it is of immense importance
that we laugh at ourselves."  katharine mansfield

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i like amy's hair long, it's absolutely gorgeous on her.  that football
helmet thing just doesn't do it for me.  no offense, of course, because
beauty as we all know is inside.

tlc

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yes! or amy and emily lite-brite. how about amy and emily veiwmaster!
ben

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dear everyone who had to read this message,

i am very very sorry for the message and i hope you will forgive me for
doing such a stupid and illegal thing. it's just that when i received the
message, i didn't think it was illegal but now i know. i hope you don't
take it in the wrong way. i just thought it would work just like the
people before me kept on stressing but i have quit. this doens't work.

pleae forgive me and also i would like to apologize to the owners of the
mailing lists for sending such an illegal and non-sensical message to
your various mailing lists. forgive me

eugene

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in a message dated 96-10-22 00:06:12 edtstephen wrote:

>speaking of boys on the side, i remember reading that amy and emily also did
>lou reed's sweet jane, only to get cut out of the finished film.  does
anyone
>know if this footage still exists, available anywhere?!
>stephen

oooooh, yeah.  one of my fave songs, my fave group... i'd love to see/hear
this too!

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well, i'd like to attempt to compare ig to another type of art, the
literary art, which, i think, is pretty relevant anyway.  there are so
many different types of authors, authors who write for different reasons.
some, like danielle steel, mary higgins clark, and john grisham write to
make money.  it's their right, and if they're able to succeed, more power
to them.  but, comparing ig, who i guess can be considered to be a popular
music group, although i'm hesitating to use that term to describe them, to
say, hootie and the blowfish (god help us all, but that's just my opinion
=) ) is like comparing grisham to joyce.  you just can't.  well, i mean,
you can, but really, they're in 2 totally different leagues.  and the
difference isn't in the audience they intend to attract, it's how they
approach the attempt to attract whomever is willing to read or listen.
now, i've only read one grisham novel (one was plenty for me), so, maybe
i'm not really a fair judge of his literary ability, but the reason who i
never even had the desire to give him another chance or to see what all
the hype was about is that the first one just didn't do anything for me.
sure, it was really quick reading that was perfect for the subway.  but,
there are a lot of other books that i could have read that are also
perfect company on the subway and that would have also taught me
something. it doesn't even have to necessarily teach me something, i take
that back.  it simply has to make me think.  now, i've also only read
one of joyce's novels.  but, his novel made me think, made me wonder and
ponder and everything else that a good book should do, and i've made
myself a promise that i would read ulysses whenever i got a free moment
to.  unlike a portrait of the artist, there was no thinking involved when
i read the firm.  and there's no thinking involved if i happen to hear one
of that fish group's twangy love songs playing on my brother's radio (i
think that i've found my mission in life, by the way).  one read of
grisham is good enough for me, just as hearing one of hootie's choruses is
more than good enough for me.
but, ig on the other hand, well, they're just another story.  i can listen
to them all day every day, which i seem to have been doing lately.  their
words don't wear out, don't lose their meaning, never fail to "move" me.
and it all stems from the fact that they write their songs not for the
sake of writing as many songs as they can so that they can release their
next album sooner and make more money faster, but for themselves.  "if you
build it, he will come."  well, they've built whatever they've built, i
don't know exactly how to phrase it, a musical relationship maybe?
whatever, i'm sure that y'all understand, and now we've come, and we're
here to stay.
my 2 cents...
okay, enough procrastinating... my molec cell bio book is begging to be
opened...

veronica


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*smirk* that's all i have to say. think he was scared of losing his account?

jen

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at 10:19 am 10/22/96 -0500, yamamoto wrote:*more spam*
here we go again!
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subject:      quick,easy money really...truly.....i swear on my first born

ok you may not believe this but you too can make quick and easy money.
first, you must purchase a handgun. if the waiting period is too long
just find yourself a blunt object. then, taking the weapoon of your
choice, find someone who looks innocent and/or naive. then, simply take your
weapon, press it against his/her back and ask for any bit of money they have.
   it's that simple! yes, you too can be a millionaire.
ben
(who is obviously kidding. i will accept no flames for this one)

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on mon, 21 oct 1996 stgilis@aol.com wrote:

> just today, i was sitting in burger king when, lo and behold...galileo!!  as
> a force of habit, i start using the table as a drum for the beginning and a
> girl passes by and says "emily in the house, ya'll!" and walks out the door.

        this is soooo cool, but why is it always "galileo"?  i heard this
tune in lyon's while studying for a midterm.  it entirely broke my
concentration, but i couldn't imagine what i'd be like if it were the
live version to "mystery" or something.

ig everywhere!!!  -terio

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in a message dated 96-10-21 23:59:26 edt, verdi@imap2.asu.edu writes:

<< so how about a nice little plush amy! one that looks like mattell made
it. hell, if the toy became popular enough we could make it into a
saturday morning cartoon. the merchandising possibilities are endless.
amy staple sweaters, amy lunch boxes, amy color forms(remember them!).....
ben
  >>

(gasp).....but....i wanted....(sniffle) th-the....._emily_  d-doll!!!!!!!!
(waaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhh!!!)

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        this is teri, emailing from my class acct, just so you know.

oh, this is too easy...
        emily and shawn colvin...now what hasn't this happened --probably
doing shawn's "polaroids" or "you and me of the 10,000 wars" (which, if i
haven't mentioned it before, is one of em's most underrated songs...)

        by the way, i'm planning on naming my daughter "colvin emily
esguerra" - i'm sure she'll be teased on school.  just gotta find a way
around the pregnant thing, which is too easy.

ccsbzzz,
teri

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it's not bad if you have a taste for some thrash and you have a good sense
of humor.  jessi and i played it at a dance we dj'd two summers ago.
actually i talked to a few high school students who were turned on to ig
after hearing sicko do this cover...believe it or not.
maybe it's significant to add that this dance was in seattle...

on tue, 22 oct 1996, sharon jennings wrote:

> yes it does really exist. i work at a college radio station and just a few
> minutes ago i was talking to a guy who has a punk music show...... he
> played it for me!!!! it's a lot faster and louder with thrashing guitars
> but all in all it's ok...... it could be a lot worse :)
>
> band: sicko
> album: you can feel the love in this room
> label: empty records
> address: po box 12034
> seattle, wa 98102.
>

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>
>         this is soooo cool, but why is it always "galileo"?  i heard this

i heard power of two muzak in the airport in detroit if that's any
better. :) it took me awhile to recognize it actually. which led me to
wonder... do artists have to authorize cheesy instrumental versions of
their music, or what? i'd be surprised to hear that a and e approve of
such schlock (no offense intended, if any of you actually like stuff like
this!)

peace,
amy

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        emily's hair during the n*i*s* days!!!

sigh,
teri

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        long hair for both...the wilder, the better, 'cuz amy in the page
boy 'do gives me nightmares!!!!

        peace all...jen  (who has never, ever allowed her hair to grow
longer than an oxford shirt collar...)


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     i hear let it be me each time they preview this show on tv, the funny
     thing is that i'm in hong kong.  weird, huh?  i wonder why they chose
     an ig song, besides the obvious that they're awesome.  anyway, i can't
     remember the name of the show, but it's from the states.

     holly


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>
>         this is soooo cool, but why is it always "galileo"?  i heard this

i heard power of two muzak in the airport in detroit if that's any
better. :) it took me awhile to recognize it actually. which led me to
wonder... do artists have to authorize cheesy instrumental versions of
their music, or what? i'd be surprised to hear that a and e approve of
such schlock (no offense intended, if any of you actually like stuff like
this!)

peace,
amy

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subject:      another fun topic...

i like emily's hair now.  i think it looks real cool. i think amy's hair
looks cool in some of the 1200 curfews pics, so i guess that's like 1995 and
in n*i*s...the picture on the back of nomads is one of my favorites of
them.....

peace
sasha

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on tue, 22 oct 1996 cs008133@gaia.ecs.csus.edu wrote:

>         emily and shawn colvin...now what hasn't this happened --probably
> doing shawn's "polaroids" or "you and me of the 10,000 wars" (which, if i

        oops...i'm meant to say why (not "what") hasn't this happen.

        and you know what?  i'm still wondering why?

terribly confused and a bit delirious,
terio

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subject:      christmas-help me please, and maybe abilene's not so bad

okay, i'm taking a break from my research paper outline that's
due...tomorrow. it's over myth, if you care.
question: i want ig stuff for xmas. i think jen hall posted a form or
something from the fan club, but i lost it. could you post it again,
plleeeaasse? i want more shirts. i also am asking for botby and sf.
whining: my roomate just put her earphones on! what a loser, i'm
listening to rop (she's coloring too). one of my friends just informed
me that some group at a coffee house here was singing ig songs!! why did
i not know this? i'm supposed to be #1 fan, hang out at coffeehouses
girl. (at least hang out at coffeehouses in lubbock) anyways, it doesn't
matter, i was at my grandma's house friday. but i always miss ig stuff.
i couldn't go to the concert in dallas or austin. okay, enough whining.
now back to the research outline.
this may be stupid, but at least it's not a get rich quick scam.
amber

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i just came back from seeing sean colvin and she was awesome!!! i've
found that it's really tough, generally speaking, to see someone in
concert who you've never really heard before. unless they're really good,
all of the songs just blend together. in contrast, she was funny,
friendly and very accessible. she did two encores, one of which was after
the house music had come on. if you get a chance to catch this tour, do
it.


peter a. barta
bartap@bulldog.georgetown.edu


"everything that i believe,             "i want to live as an honest man,
crawls from underneath the streets.      to get all i deserve,
everything i truly love,                 and to give all i can,
comes from somewhere high above."        and to love a young woman
                                         that i don't understand."
                        - amy ray
                                                - suzanne vega

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oh, hair.  as one incessantly fond of hair changes myself, i do indeed
have much to say.  i like amy's hair during  the self titled era, but i
did want her to cut just a half inch off those bangs.  emily's was great.
then on short hair, my fab fave amy cut is the really short butchy spikey
one, when she's playing with the dog or whatever in watershed, but i do
have to say that poofy thing during the concert in england has *got to
go*!  and emily, all in all she has better haircuts, i think but what was
that thing during swamp ophelia?  so glad she got over that one.  so, my
final conclusion is:  amy takes more risks with her hair, which i have to
admire, but therefore has more bad haircuts (not really bad, just not as
good.  i've never seen it *ugly*.)  emily takes fewer risks, and rarely
has bad hair, except for one excruciatingly painful period during so, when
they were on letterman doing (i think) least complicated.  i like emily's
hair now the very best.

really avoiding revolutionary american politics,
chris ii


on tue, 22 oct 1996, marianne barlow wrote:

> i like amy's hair long, it's absolutely gorgeous on her.  that football
> helmet thing just doesn't do it for me.  no offense, of course, because
> beauty as we all know is inside.
>
> tlc
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or:
- rock 'em, sock 'em amy & emily! (rock '"em", sock '"em-y"?)(nyuk nyuk)
- singing amy & emily (pull the string & they sing, like chatty cathy,
   who btw was not named after me... or they talk, like my old caspar
   doll: "hi, my name is amy/emily, i'm a friieeenndly ig!  or "hi, my
   name is amy/emily, i'm friieennddly & i sing ghost!" )
- incredible edible amy & emily
- etch-a-sketch that only draws ig pictures
- and of course, fisher-price amy & emily figueres w/o arms or legs,
just little snap-on guitars.  these little peg people can fit into little
holes on their toy tour bus, or little holes & on the left & right,
respectively, of their stage (the latter to be purchased separately of
course)

of course there could also be song-themed toys:
- prince of darkness action figure
- chickenman - another action figure
- kid fears - could be an action figure, or a board game where you have
to make it through typical childhood fears
- 123 - educational math game for pre-schoolers
- power of two - educational math game for older kids
- little red riding hood & virginia woolf - story book
- crazy game - whatever the heck you want it to be, obviously some sort
of game

ok, this is getting lame, i'd better stop myself before somebody else
does.

kathy

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from:         "mary e. kushman" <mekindigo@ecu.campus.mci.net>
subject:      bumbershoot cancer branch still active!

if y'all get this message twice, sorry for the waste of bandwidth.  i
cannot remember for the life of me if i sent this or not.

anyway, i am still dubbing on my bumbershoot branch.  the new address is

mekindigo@ecu.campus.mci.net


thanks for your patience
mary

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date:         wed, 23 oct 1996 00:29:41 -0400
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in a message dated 96-10-22 16:47:12 edt, kd writes:

<< the loud screechy girl who blew out everyone's
eardrums every few minutes >>

i must say i've never heard anything quite like it.
didn't even follow the usual rythmic pattern of your
basic concert whoops like:  "awwwooooooooo !!!!!"
(yeaaaaaah !) (ni) "emmmmmmiiiiilllleeeeeee !!!!!!
iiii looooooovve yooooooooooooooouuu!!!!!!!
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrggggggggghhhhhh!!!"
nope not even close.
i've decided she was possibly really drunk.
or....
an alien. acutally thats it ! she was an alien trying to 'fit in'
by mimicking the earthlings so as not to be discovered.
:)
binkles

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subject:      hair (their hair..where? where hair? )

     bald.

            both of 'em.

                            like cue balls.

             yep.

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from:         candice gohn <cgohn@olympus.net>
subject:      trades, shirts, hair, and me in tacoma...

hey ya'll...

i appreciate the many prompt responses to my trade withdrawals plea...my =
mailbox should be sufficiently stuffed for quite some time...by the way, =
would anyone who i'm working on a trade with who hasn't sent me their =
address, please do so?  thanks...

i'm also looking for any ig t-shirts that i could possibly get my hands =
on (i got my list shirt, btw..you're great deb).  it seems that whenever =
i get to go to a concert where they're selling tour paraphernalia, i'm =
always tapped out from my ticket splurge, and so can't afford anything.  =
does anyone live near, or know of a place where they're sold?  i'd be =
happy to send you money and a sase if you'd be willing to make the =
purchase for me...

alrighty...though its tempting to agree with the cue ball vote of binky =
on the hair poll, i must just say that i like amy's hair worn in any way =
that allows me to see her face.  and emily's has been getting =
progressively better as she's started to cut down on the hairspray...

fourth and final subject...are any seattle or tacoma peoples going to =
see melissa play at the dome on the 13th?  i'd love to have a list =
meeting if you are...

...wheels in motion...
greta

p.s.  you know you are an obsessed fan when you are digging through all =
of your old clothes and you find a t-shirt bought before your first ig =
experience that has a picture on it which bears a slight resemblance to =
the tattoo on amy's forearm, and you jump around your house for 45 =
minutes screaming, "its a sign! its a sign!"

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reply-to:     "kim: goddess in her own reality" <rcn@prcn.org>
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from:         "kim: goddess in her own reality" <rcn@prcn.org>
subject:      re: another fun topic !!

ach ach achem...
"oh say can you see...
my eyes?, if you can then my hair's too short...."
hair hair hair...
as long as you can grow it show it...hair!!! something something...
dum dee dee... <kim looks around in embarrassment as she realizes
she's forgotten + misremembered most of the words to this song...
but gee...>
perhaps in salute to this thread, a + e could cover *this*
golden oldie hmmm???? and who was it
who wrote that amy was singing about her hair in touch me fall....????
now *that* post belongs with these on hair...:)
and... binky... yer too funny:)
peace all, kim
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
      <just kim>rcn@prcn.org
"isn't it a shame about men? they have a
penis and a brain, but only enough blood to
operate one at a time."
---------------robin williams---------------
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deb, i lost your address. can yet another newbie inquire as to the
availability of a list shirt? (three ig shirts at the shawn colvin show,
not including mine).

peter a. barta
bartap@bulldog.georgetown.edu


"everything that i believe,             "i want to live as an honest man,
crawls from underneath the streets.      to get all i deserve,
everything i truly love,                 and to give all i can,
comes from somewhere high above."        and to love a young woman
                                         that i don't understand."
                        - amy ray
                                                - suzanne vega

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subject:      fw: internet virus
x-to:         mike nilsen <mikenilsen@aol.com>,
              mark meyer <mark.meyer@norwest.com>

i know many of these virus warnings are jokes, but we should still all be
aware - - because someday, it won't be a joke and you'll be left with an
empty hard drive...

passin' it on...
- jen hall

----------
> from: cleveland joseph <cjoe@bangate.compaq.com>
> to: "jennifer hall" <jennifer  hall <jchall@earthlink.net>; "david
potter" <david potter <dpotter@micron.net>; cecil threat
<ctt3@wonder.em.cdc.gov>; "brenda smith" <brenda smith
<bsmith@agctr.lsu.edu>; jackie grogan <adgrogan@aol.com>
> subject: internet virus
> date: tuesday, october 22, 1996 8:01 am
>
> *****         danger!  danger!   danger!              *****
>
>
> do not download any file named pkzip300!
>
>  a new trojan horse virus has emerged on the internet with the name
>  pkzip300.zip, so named as to give the impression that this file is a
>  new version of the pkzip software used to "zip" compressed files.
>
>
> do not download this file under any circumstances!!
>
>  if you install or expand the file, the virus will wipe your hard  disk
> clean and affect modems at 14.4 and higher.  this is an
> extremelydestructive virus and there is not yet a way of cleaning  this
one
> up.
>
>
>      please pass this on to anyone you know!
>
> cleveland joseph
> compaq technical support engineer
> network product division

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from:         "amy j. putnam" <pegasus@crl.com>
subject:      re: quick,easy money really...truly.....i swear on my first born
x-to:         verdi@imap2.asu.edu
in-reply-to:  <pine.sol.3.91.961022180138.23958f-100000@email1.asu.edu>

>  ok you may not believe this but you too can make quick and easy money.
> first, you must purchase a handgun. if the waiting period is too long
> just find yourself a blunt object. then, taking the weapoon of your
> choice, find someone who looks innocent and/or naive. then, simply take your
> weapon, press it against his/her back and ask for any bit of money they have.
>    it's that simple! yes, you too can be a millionaire.
> ben
> (who is obviously kidding. i will accept no flames for this one)

sorry dude.  as someone who was victimized by an armed robbery i have
to stand up and say what poor taste this is in.  you look down the
nose of a machine gun and see if you like jokes like this.

grow up, please.

                          _________
amy p.                    \       /     who holds your hand
pegasus@crl.com            \     /      when you're alone
monk@world.std.com          \   /
the original photo monk      \ /                --patty larkin

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in a message dated 96-10-22 21:25:56 edt, cs008133@gaia.ecs.csus.edu writes:

>this is soooo cool, but why is it always "galileo"?  i heard this
>tune in lyon's while studying for a midterm.  it entirely broke my
>concentration, but i couldn't imagine what i'd be like if it were the
>live version to "mystery" or something.

   i was on a short road trip recently and i heard closer to fine (of course)
and joking (gasp!) on the radio within about an hour's time. cool, eh?

peace,
margot

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subject:      alrighty...

so far, this is what we have:

amy long hair:  44%
amy short hair:  6%

emily long hair:  33%
emily short hair:  17%

just so your vote gets to the right queue, please don't say "i liked it
during rop"..." .. nis", etc.  please just say "short" or "long".  if i
consider it long but you consider it short - then your vote will be
misplaced.  also, please indicate a vote for both amy and emily. i've had
some that only voted for one, and that's cool, but the total count gets out
of whack.

thanks y'all...
- jen hall (hey, that rhymes..)

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subject:      a request (sigc)

<<hi all,
i've heard everybody talk about a list shirt and i guess i was wondering if
anyone could tell me about it.  maybe even possibly get my hands on one...
anyone who feels a slight twinge of pity for a poor, shirtless newbie feel
free to message me with your scoffing.  i'm up for anything.
keep on groovin',
ryan>>

oooh, ooh, me too!

i know how y'all hate "me too's" but i can't see any other way to find out
if there are any extra t-shirts floating around.  i joined the list in the
midst of the t-shirt ordering, & i didn't order one at the time.  but if
there's any way we can get them now, let me know!!!

andi

           -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-
                              andrea lipman
                       e-mail: ablipman@sas.upenn.edu
               homepage: http://www.sas.upenn.edu/~ablipman

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                        but i know i'm strong "-es
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subject:      re: (not)corinne at bumbershoot
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um, bink, sorry but i have to correct you here.

that was no drunk girl, that was elvis.
didn't you know he's a huuuuugge ig fan?
lack of oxygen in that tomb accounts for that amazingly screetchy high
voice.
trust me.  i'm a nurse.
(nashville was written shortly after screetching out of memphis...you know
what a fanatic he can be...)

> i've decided she was possibly really drunk.
> or....
> an alien. acutally thats it ! she was an alien trying to 'fit in'
> by mimicking the earthlings so as not to be discovered.
> :)
> binkles
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from:         marianne barlow <mlb1@axe.humboldt.edu>
subject:      color me grey

hi, y'all!

i recently received a wonderful boot of color me grey in the mail from my
new best friend ;)  and i love it, it is the best of all the boots i've
gotten so far.  there is absolutely nothing wrong with it, it is
beautiful and i adore it....

however (did you know that was coming?)....i visited the indizone web
page and was perusing the a-z song lyrics (although only a-d are up so
far) and noticed a couple of ar songs that claimed to be from color me
grey and they are not on my wonderful boot.  i'm not dissing (nice word,
huh?) the boot i got in any way shape or form (can i make this clear
enough?), i'm simply wondering what happened to those songs, if they're
not really from color me grey, or what.

i guess what i'm asking is if someone has an official list of the songs
that should be on color me grey, because i'm starting to think that boots
get mixed up sometimes through the many branches they travel and a boot
that one person calls color me grey is only part of the original, or has
additional stuff on it, or whatever.  (deep breath--long sentence--phew)

okay, once again, just to make it completely obvious & redundant, pooh, i
absolutely adore the color me grey tape you sent me, it's fabulous.  just
lookin' for more.....

thanks to anyone who can help with this....

=) the lone coyote

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subject:      re: [gd] easy money!! it's true! just read this!
in-reply-to:  <pine.sco.3.91.961022132644.28236b-100000@bulldog.georgetown.edu>

re: peter's idea of forwarding it back to him/her
heehee, i just sent her/him 3 copies myself!  this is a little stupid, but
i get a certain pleasure thinking about this person having to go through
hundreds of copies of this irritating message.
try it, you'll like it!
love,
karey

set the crickets for two...
                                -danielle howle

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amy - short
emily - long

virtually
yours
m
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           and when the beautiful ladies walk right by
           you know i never know what to say - amy ray

           kiss away the ones who say
           the lust you feel is wrong - k d lang
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subject:      okay, okay, everyone.  it's done, don't reply to the list, please!
x-to:         yamamoto <eyamamot@trinity.edu>
x-cc:         greenday@puck.nether.net, abba-list@csn.org,
              vanhalen@lists.fdt.net, sci-fi-fantasy@listserv.prodigy.com,
              real-nyc@listserv.prodigy.com, mls-la@americasnet.com,
              allman@netspace.org, aerosmith-fans@dartmouth.edu,
              jpop.tcp.com@tucc7.tucc.trinity.edu, jpop-digest@tcp.com,
              dorama@sgigate.sgi.com, amuro@jmt.tokyo.jst-c.go.jp,
              aerosmith-fans-digest@dartmouth.edu, alumnet@dartmouth.edu,
              bug-gnuplot@dartmouth.edu, communications-comm@dartmouth.edu,
              cs-alums@dartmouth.edu, cs-tr@dartmouth.edu,
              d-86-list@dartmouth.edu, global-l@dartmouth.edu
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see above.  it's spam, and it's over.  if ya wanna bitch 'n moan, mail it
to yamamoto-san.

eric


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subject:      re: ig and the strange places we hear them..

whats up everyone...

every time i am in the movie theater i almost always hear power of two or
least complcated.  my friends get really pissed off sometimes cause i'll hear
it when we are about to leave and i make them stay till it's over... just
thought i'd share

peace
sasha

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in-reply-to:  <961021220906_1645023919@emout10.mail.aol.com>

> girl passes by and says "emily in the house, ya'll!" and walks out the door.


not to pick on you in particular, stephen, but i have something that's
been bugging me for awhile on the list...this is very nitpicky, and i
apologize in advance.  i'm not an english major, but....  y'all is a
contraction of you all and therefore the apostrophe should be situated to
replace the words that were removed... many loyal listers have been
typing it ya'll, which is like nails on the chalkboard to me.  yes, this
is very nitpicky, flame in private if you so desire.

thanks y'all!!!!
the lone coyote

p.s. sorry again, i just couldn't help it anymore.  bad me, bad me.

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from:         marianne barlow <mlb1@axe.humboldt.edu>
subject:      re: maxell points
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on mon, 21 oct 1996 verdi@imap2.asu.edu wrote:

>  so how about a nice little plush amy! one that looks like mattell made
> it. hell, if the toy became popular enough we could make it into a
> saturday morning cartoon. the merchandising possibilities are endless.
> amy staple sweaters, amy lunch boxes, amy color forms(remember them!).....
> ben


amy shrinky dinks.....
=)
tlc

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from:         marianne barlow <mlb1@axe.humboldt.edu>
subject:      re: ig at world series
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on tue, 22 oct 1996 indigojrny@aol.com wrote:

> i know that last year chrissie hynde got to sing the national anthem at the
> world series game in cleveland. i really wish that the indigo girls would
> sing it in atlanta. i know emily would love it ........she is much more into
> the braves than amy. that's just my opinion. i don't know who decides these
> things. i really was hoping it would happen last year but no luck. so, since
> the braves are in it again, i think they really owe it to me to sing this
> year.
> can't you just picture them singing it?
> jean
>
yes, but then if somebody got their hands on a recording of it, we'd have
to argue for two weeks about whether or not it was unpatriotic to set up
a distribution tree.....

my $.02

tlc

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subject:      a&e's hair
in-reply-to:  <199610220117.saa18584@cyprus.it.earthlink.net>

am i the only one who thinks that a&e look a lot older (well, okay, maybe
not older, almost forgot who i was speaking to) a lot more mature with
shorter hair?  i happen to like em with shorter hair, i'm kind of wishy-
washy about amy, although i think she looked great in the pot video.  but,
anyways, they just really do seem a lot older (and, of course, wiser) with
shorter hair.  or maybe i'm just going crazy
thinking of getting a hair cut with a friend this week, so it could also
be paranoia speaking

veronica


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date:         tue, 22 oct 1996 20:13:49 edt
reply-to:     chickensoprano <creechal@aslan.emu.edu>
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from:         chickensoprano <creechal@aslan.emu.edu>
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subject:      sigc: missed y'all

hello!  i went home for the weekend (fall break) and i came back to
207 messages from the list.  well, i'm through about 50, and i
remembered something i wanted to post.  i was going through my eighth
grade year book this weekend, and i came across the name of one of my
classmates - emily salyers!  who would have guessed - and only one
letter off! ;)

anna

"a male gynecologist is like an auto mechanic
who has never owned a car."  -carrie snow

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subject:      shawn colvin nigc

hi all..
just wanted to share my evening... first, i just returned from seeing shawn
colvin play at the 9:30 club in dc.  it was a free show, and she played all
her new record and a few old things like shotgun down the avalanche.
anyways.  she  was wonderful.  ona disappointing note, i taped the whole
entire show..on the second to last song my tape  was confiscated by a
security guard.  it sucked.   it was such a good show.  usually, they let
people tape there...i guess lately they don't ....oh well.. i am off to
dreamland, (hopefully ig will appear)  just wanted to share my story..

peace
sasha

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subject:      bumbershoot cancer branch still active!

hey all--

i am still working the cancer branch for the bumbershoot boot.  i'm still
around (sometimes, i think)!

mary  :)

p.s. sorry for any confusion

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from:         stacey silcox <silcoxsl@plu.edu>
subject:      re: skipping songs...ctf -reply
x-to:         lmd21@aol.com
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i have to agree on cft being the most known song of the girls.  however
when it comes to 2nd, 3rd, and 4th, i would have to say that power of two
needs to be on that list especially because of the boys on the side sound
track.  i agree that least complicated and galileo should be on the list
as well.

and for all of you who don't like airplane, i stick my tongue out at
you.  it is a great fun lighthearted song about a common fear.  i think
that it is cute.  does every song need to be thought provoking and deep.
i think not.

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reply-to:     vote for jan <corinne@utah-inter.net>
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subject:      nigc: ani!!

ani played tonight in salt lake city...

yeah, she was amazing.  i laughed.  i cried.  i wanted to marry her.  i
wanted to put my amy ray doll in my closet and buy a new ani doll with
susan's maxell points.  no, i didn't... but ani was very good.  see her if
you can.

oh, and she was in a tiny black leather dress.  does that get your
interest?  well it got mine.

i wish it was not over!

corinne again.
oops i left my name as vote for jan.  too bad, you can't vote for her.
she's in utah.

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subject:      6/30/94 the knitting factory
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> hey y'all,
>
>     i was watching my video of the 6/30/94 knitting factory show in ny
and
> near the end of the show amy does a song that i don't even know,
something
> about the fisherman and the fisherman's son.  i heard her do the
beginning
> of this soung for a sound check at red rocks, but i don't know the
title.
> then emily does one i haven't heard before and then they do cortez the
> killer.

paul simon's song "duncan"

"my father was a fisherman. my  mother was a fisherman's friend...."

i heard her do it in a soundcheck a few years ago and didn't know what
it
was either. our man perry at rainy day records told me what it was :)

sharon

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reply-to:     rachel sefton-smith <seffy@epic.co.uk>
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subject:      help! sc in london/ig hair/boot stuff

hi all,

some shawn colvin stuff first -
i need some help!   i'm desperately trying to get tickets for a show that
she's playing in london on nov 11th at hannover grand.  i've rung the venue
who have confirmed the show is happening, but...believe this..after 4 calls
where i was told to 'ring back next week' they now say that they don't
actually sell tickets anyway and they don't know who does..aaargh!!!
ticketmaster didn't know either and i havent seen any publicity or listings
in the press... any ideas anyone? is there a shawn colvin list i could ask??
also, for anyone in the manchester area, she's playing at the university on
nov 12th...

onto the igc...
on the subject of fave coiffures... i think they both look great round the
nis period.  also, during so amy appeared a couple of times on telly - think
it was letterman and po2 - with her hair short and slicked back behind her
ears.  thought that was pretty cool.  on the other hand, some of her short
cuts have been way off the mark - that rop beatlesque bowl for
instance...hmmm...!

so my vote is:  em - long, amy - long...or short... or both...!

to a few of you that i'm booting for at the mo - my hi fi is being repaired
- i wore out the dubbing function....guess how!!! the repairman was
surprised 'cos its only a year old and a fairly decent jvc at that...!
so, apologies and please be patient - i should get it back and boots out in
the next few weeks...

**************
seffy
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from:         lori levy <llevy03@emory.edu>
subject:      one list shirt up for grabs (at cost)

hi guys,

i got a list shirt from deb recently (deb, you're the greatest...),
and as cool as it is, the unbleached cotton looks, um, shall we say,
less-than-fabulous with my skin tone.  and i realized that i just couldn't
justify having a t-shirt that i probably won't wear much when other
people on the list might get more enjoyment out of it...

so, unless deb has some extra shirts she would like to get rid of (do you
deb?), i'd be happy to sell my shirt (at my cost -- what was the exact
figure again deb? -- and i'll cover the shipping cost to you) to whoever
might want it.  if more than one person responds -- let's say by tonight,
wednesday 10/23/96, at midnight -- then i'll put the names in a hat and
draw one randomly.

does that sound fair?

btw, for those of you who don't know what the list shirt looks like, you
can see a picture of it at http://members.aol.com/ncrobino/igshirt.htm,
but please don't follow the ordering instructions on that page since i am
under the impression that only a limited quantity of the shirts were made
and as far as i know, they are all spoken for.

oh, and my shirt is a size large.

thanks,
lori

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reply-to:     "cynthia a. crecca" <crecca@admin.njit.edu>
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from:         "cynthia a. crecca" <crecca@admin.njit.edu>
subject:      re: corinne at bumbershoot

everybody listen closely to their bumbershoot boots and you can hear our
lovely infamous list-member corinne (aka jan graham jr.--- all you utahans
know corinne wants you to vote for jan graham for attorney general) duet
with amy on "shame on you!"

listen closely to the lines "the only thing that keeps us distant is that
i keep fucking up".  that is our beloved corinne belting away with amy.
i think she even makes a comment before the song like "this is my song" or
something.  listen closely for the cute utah accent.

i think we as a list should endorse corinne and have her appear on star search
or something now.  (she can duet with her life-size amy ray doll).

cynthia

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from:         tritessa <gsajaf@noctrl.edu>
subject:      re: new, fun topic
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definetly long hair! i've never been too fond of the 'butch' look on
either one of them... rather scary!

jen

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from:         sean daly <paa4687@dpschp11.dpsc.dla.mil>
subject:      hair vote

         i prefer the long hair on both amy and emily.
                                                       pj

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>
> however (did you know that was coming?)....i visited the indizone web
> page and was perusing the a-z song lyrics (although only a-d are up so
> far) and noticed a couple of ar songs that claimed to be from color me
> grey and they are not on my wonderful boot.  i'm not dissing (nice word,
> huh?) the boot i got in any way shape or form (can i make this clear
> enough?), i'm simply wondering what happened to those songs, if they're
> not really from color me grey, or what.
from hwat i understand there are a few differnt versions of color me grey
hugs anthony van pyre

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reply-to:     the good queen bess <sadler@email.unc.edu>
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from:         the good queen bess <sadler@email.unc.edu>
subject:      re: bumbershoot
in-reply-to:  <v01540b03ae935b11c85d@[206.155.210.63]>

who has the original of the bumpershoot boot?  whoever it is, please get
in touch with me, because i would like to put it on cd. i will make a copy
for you for free, but i can only do this for the original, not a 2nd or
3rd gen copy.

actually, anyone who has a first gen copy of an ig boot please contact me.
thanks!

--bess

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from:         trant batey <twb@zycor.lgc.com>
subject:      re: quick,easy money really...truly.....i swear on my first born

actually, if you go to a gun show, you can buy a gun from an individual who
is not a licensed gun dealer, w/ no background check whatever. and, it is
perfectly leagal.  just like buying it from the classifieds in the news paper.

trant

>  ok you may not believe this but you too can make quick and easy money.
> first, you must purchase a handgun. if the waiting period is too long
> just find yourself a blunt object. then, taking the weapoon of your
> choice, find someone who looks innocent and/or naive. then, simply take your
> weapon, press it against his/her back and ask for any bit of money they have.
>    it's that simple! yes, you too can be a millionaire.
> ben
> (who is obviously kidding. i will accept no flames for this one)
>
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from:         "keates, harry" <hak@crai.com>
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subject:      bread & roses, acoustic junction, and the nields
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hi all,

i'd also like to put in a request that if someone has a tape of this
show, please, please, please email me.  the idea of hearing dar & ig
together.  wow.   thanks,

also,
i've heard a little bit by and about both acoustic junction and the
nields lately, and i'm interested in taking the plunge and buying an
album by each.  i was wondering if anyone could recommend one album by
each of these bands that would be a good place to start.  i'd appreciate
any advice.

please respond by private email so as not to waste bandwidth.  if anyone
is interested in hearing what the sugested albums are, you can write me
and i'll let you know.

  harry a. keates
  email: hak@crai.com

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reply-to:     nelson mcwhorter <mcwhorte@mc.edu>
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from:         nelson mcwhorter <mcwhorte@mc.edu>
subject:      ig and strang places we encounter them

well, to follow the occurance of hearing ig in burger king, i was minding
my own business attending a jacko-pierce show at a local bar.  i neither
really like 'em, nor do i hate 'em, just biding my college time, ya know.
when, to my surprise, a strange girl comes up from behind me and asks me
if that is an indigo girls hat i was wearing.(i was wearing the black
with one with a blue ig on the front and indigo girls written on the
back) i affirmed her and we began to talk...turns out we go to the same
school and now i have made a new friend thanks to the wonderful world of
merchandise :)

nelson mcwhorter                                          inet: mcwhorte@mc.edu
box 4915                                             http://www.mc.edu/~mcwhorte
clinton, ms 39058                                 philosopher extraordinaire
"...love the truth more than you fear your own pain..." --unknown

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from:         "hsu amber r. batson" <arbatson@hsutx.edu>
subject:      on the subject of xmas

a & e wouldn't happen to have any special xmas recordings that i am not
aware of, would they?
amber

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subject:      re: on the subject of xmas

>a & e wouldn't happen to have any special xmas recordings that i am not
>aware of, would they?
>amber

emily was the voice rudolph.

deb

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subject:      tour info

where's the best place to look for tour info?  i need a live fix bad.  i've
never seen them in concert before...i've been a fan for four years...about
time i did.

mary

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from:         ".eric" <thie0080@itlabs.umn.edu>
subject:      re: fw: internet virus
x-to:         jen hall <jchall@earthlink.net>

at 09:49 pm 10/22/96 -0500, jen hall wrote:

>i know many of these virus warnings are jokes, but we should still all be

>aware - - because someday, it won't be a joke and you'll be left with an

>empty hard drive...

***lines deleted***

>> do not download this file under any circumstances!!

>>

>>  if you install or expand the file, the virus will wipe your hard  disk

>> clean and affect modems at 14.4 and higher.


ok...the wiping part is possible, if you run it, but the only way it could affect your modem is that you would have no software left on your computer to dial with.


>>this is an

>> extremelydestructive virus and there is not yet a way of cleaning  this

>>one up.

if it instantaniously deletes your hard drive, how could you "clean this up"?


if this _is_ legit, or if you ever want to check the validity of a "virus" warning, go to http://www.mcafee.com and it will list any new viruses, and they will already most likely have a fix. since this isn't mentioned anywhere, i'm pretty sure it is not legit. i have seen a similar warning go around before, and the best guideline to follow is: if you're looking for pkzip, you probably don't want to get a program that is needed to uncompress the file it is stored in. in otherwords, you would need to install pkzip to open the file, but you cannot install it until you unzip it. pkzip always comes as an .exe file.


ever hating urban myths...

.eric


now playing:  <color><param>8080,0000,0000</param>ani difranco - dilate

</color>     *****   <color><param>0000,8080,0000</param>must buy!!!
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from:         "susan b. marine" <susan.b.marine@dartmouth.edu>
subject:      ben, problem?

--- you wrote:
  ok you may not believe this but you too can make quick and easy money.
> first, you must purchase a handgun. if the waiting period is too long
> just find yourself a blunt object. then, taking the weapoon of your
> choice, find someone who looks innocent and/or naive. then, simply take your
> weapon, press it against his/her back and ask for any bit of money they have.
>    it's that simple! yes, you too can be a millionaire.
> ben
> (who is obviously kidding. i will accept no flames for this one)
--- end of quoted material ---

just because you won't accpet them doesn't mean they aren't coming to you, ben.
what is the deal? why do you try to be make violence so damn funny all the
time? as i recall you were the "stalking amy ray" jokester too. i am just
wondering why you feel the need to do this. violence isn't funny, ben,
ever....can you think of other humor outlets?

.02 and change

susan

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from:         jessie gilliam <jmg8r@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu>
subject:      nigc-- day of silence

hello --

i just wanted you all to check out the web site for day of silence 1997 --
which will be an awareness day for lesbians/gays/bisexuals held april 9th at
college campuses everywhere (hopefully). it's

http://faraday.clas.virginia.edu/~mkp6n

if you are interested in participating in this, or having your college or
organization participate in this, please contact me at jmg8r@virginia.edu.

thanks!

jessie

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subject:      random ig

i was  visiting my little bro, and he was showing me his jr. high school
yearbook.   in the front they have a  pop culture 'best of' list (you
know, best movie, best male actor, etc).  keep in kind, that this is in
concord, nh, where in jr. high i was like the only person who knew who
thi ig were.  so i get down to "favorite song"  and...."romeo and
juliet, by the indigo girls"!!!!!!!!!!  i just about fell over in shock.
of all things, the ig, and of all songs r&j isn't exactly their most well
known.

well,  it made me happy.

have a happy indigo day,
jennie

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date:         wed, 23 oct 1996 12:44:31 +0900
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from:         "oscar e. vargas" <oscar@americasnet.com>
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subject:      thanks for the memories!!
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thanks for the information on simms memory modules!

http://www.iss-memory.com

your prices are great!

oscar@americasnet.com

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date:         wed, 23 oct 1996 14:40:37 -0500
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on wed, 23 oct 1996, value is fixed : using "james y. chang" wrote:
this is eugene, the guy who supposedly started this whole mess. first of
all, i am in your position,james. i wanna blame this guy called aaron
degler who first sent this message out to all these mailing lists. he got
me into this whole mess and maybe he experienced the same stuff. he said
in the message that it was totally legal and i believed him. all i did
was what he told me to do,duplicate the message with my name at #5 and
send it out to a bunch of mailing list. i think the person,maybe not
aaron degler, should be busted cause he started the whole thing. i don't
think they are making diddly squat by this totally illegal method. please
understand that i regret what i did and i don't want any of you to do
what i did cause it's illegal. you all have helped me realize that and i
hope to stop anyone trying to do this.

stop spaming

eugene

>       look everyone, i have no idea this would cause that big of
> trouble for me and pissed everyone off, all i wanted to do is to get the
> opinion from my friends, but i accidentally include all the mailing
> domains that was sent to me from this yamamoto guy, he is the one that i
> got the letter from. i have been using e-mails for a while( 1 year) but
> only strictly to communicate with my friends, that's why i am not too
> familiar about all the laws and restrictions on the internet.
>       about 3 month ago i join the jpop mailing list, the reason that
> i joined that is because i want to get the infor about the jpop music,
> but this yamamoto guy is frequently offering thing to the other people and
> about 2 days ago i got this chain letter, and that got me into a big trouble!
> i got a lot of complain letters and i even got one from the u.s. govt.
> saying if i don't stop this, the fbi is gonna be after me! that's how i
> realized the seriousness about this junk mail. i think i have learned a
> very important lesson about using e-mail and the kind of mail that is
> just illegal to have on the net. i sincerely apologize to all the
> recipients of the letter that i sent, but i also hope someone can help me
> clear myself out of this mess. here is yamamoto's address:
> eyamamoto@trinity.edu. i will appreciate any kind of advice that will
> help me out of this mess, and i hope there are ways that i can do to this
> yamamoto guy.
>       once again, i apologize for the trouble that i have caused,
> please forgive my inexperienceness on the internet world!
>
> p.s. i will quit this mailing list, this is just not what i was hoping to
> have when i joined it.
>
> james c.
>

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date:         wed, 23 oct 1996 16:05:00 -0400
reply-to:     the good queen bess <sadler@email.unc.edu>
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from:         the good queen bess <sadler@email.unc.edu>
subject:      boot ethics and bumpershoot (an apology)
x-to:         "cynthia a. crecca" <crecca@admin.njit.edu>

dear cynthia and others i may have worried,

        i recently posted to the list looking for a first gen copy of the
bumpershoot boot, saying i wanted to put it on cd.  let me just say that i
am not trying to rip off the indigo girls.  i'm a musician myself, and i'd
be pissed as hell is someone else were making money off my music and i
wasn't getting any of it.

        i own a small recording studio, and we do digital remastering and
cd writing, converting cassettes to cd, etc.  i am a big fan of the ig's
and i'm trying to grow my collection of boot cd's.  now, the reason i want
a first gen copy is that it takes me three or four hours to remaster
something and clean it up, and it's just not worth the effort if it's a
third or fourth gen copy.  data gets lost during dubbing, and there's just
no way to recover it.

        i do make my collection available to other fans, however i usually
try to trade for music or blank cd-r's.  when people do pay me it is
because they can't obtain cd-r's and i have no use for blank tapes.  i
accept money to cover the cost of shipping and the cd-r.  otherwise i'd go
broke even faster than i already am, you know?

        i just wanted to reassure everyone.  i am not a crook!  :)

        and thanks, cynthia, for pointing out how my request might have
been misconstrued.

--bess
sadler@email.unc.edu

on wed, 23 oct 1996, cynthia a. crecca wrote:

> dear bess:
>
> i do not know if you have received any flames for your post requesting first
> generation ig boots.  i don't know if you received any responses either.
> i feel compelled to tell you that after talking to someone with a first
> generation boot, that many may be wary of your motives for requesting such
> an item.
>
> again, i do not know what your motives are for requesting such objects but
> when you mention you want to put them on cd, alarms go off for many people.
> amy and emily have said they don't mind the trading of tapes as long as no
> one profits from their work.  there are a decent amount of pirate ig cds out
> there. they are sold at high prices and ig never sees any of the profit.
> i am wary when i see people hunting for orginial tapes only for this reason and
> i know i am not alone on this list.  if the cd is to be made for your enjoyment
> only, is a copy the most terrible thing in the world?
>
> i do not mean to question your motives, nor do i presume to know what your
> reasons are; however people (including myself) are wary of such soliciations.
> amy and emily have made their wishes known when it comes to boots of their
> recordings and many on the list do everything they can to respect that.
>
> i really do not mean to flame or judge you (i don't have any neat recording     equiptment to make cds so i don't know what is involved), i just feel that
> you should know the attitudes of some of the listees.  perhaps you can
> clairfy or reassure listees that may need it, so you too can enjoy ig boots
> in whatever medium you want.
>
> cynthia
> crecca@admin.njit.edu
>

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reply-to:     verdi@imap2.asu.edu
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sigh..... it looks like yet again my dry humor has gotten the best
of me. i in no way intended to offend anyone! it was just a reaction to
the million quick money schemes we've been getting! i wasn't
minimalizing the effects of violence but rather the obscene scams made
over cyberspace.
  and about the amy stalking thing... since i live in arizona i thought
people would obviously take this as a joke.if this was true i would
have to take a plane everyday to atlanta to stalk amy and still make
it back in time for class the next morning. i think this would be rather
hard to do.
   if you met me you would know that i'm the most peaceful,earthy person
you ever met. i guess you would have to meet me to understand my
humor(jan does....hi jan:)...which in context people usually find funny.
i guess it loses something over the internet.
     so my apologies! i think i just have to know how far i can take my
sarcasm. i guess i've just watched one too many monty python videos.
again, i'm sorry!
ben

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from:         pat chaney <pooh40@mc.net>
subject:      minn. list folk..help!! nigc

hi kids..
seems i have to fly into minn. on the 12th of dec. for a few days and
will have to be  at "the south end of downtown"..what i need to know
is..is there  a good but cheap hotel in the area you can direct me
to??i've only been in your fair city once before  but that was on my
bike,,this time i have to act "grown up"..if anyone can give me some tips
on yer city please e-mail me privately..
thanks.
pooh

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from:         ursula wood <meandig2@aol.com>
subject:      great day!

hey everyone!

you just know it's going to be a great day when you are on your way to
work at 5:30 am in the morning...and the very first song you hear on the
radio
is "closer to fine" by the indigo girls and then after that song, you flip to
another station and  "least complicated" comes on. after that..nothing could
ruin my day!!
found myself humming those two songs all day long!!!!

have a happy indigo girls day!!

ursula

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from:         andrea lipman <ablipman@sas.upenn.edu>
subject:      my roommate's request for ig...

lat night, after listening to ani for a few hours (i'm psyching myself up
for her concert next month!), my roommate said, "ummmm, do you think we
could listen to some ig now?"  <g>  it was so funny to hear her asking for
ig.  she had never even heard of them before she met me, we listen to them
all the time now, & when i turn on something else for a little while, she
asks for them again!  i find that really humorous...

btw, i did change the music to ig!

andi

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subject:      re: [amrer 427] easy money!! it's true! just read this!
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in-reply-to:  <pine.hpp.3.91.961021222855.18120a-100000@tucc7.tucc.trinity.edu>

        look everyone, i have no idea this would cause that big of
trouble for me and pissed everyone off, all i wanted to do is to get the
opinion from my friends, but i accidentally include all the mailing
domains that was sent to me from this yamamoto guy, he is the one that i
got the letter from. i have been using e-mails for a while( 1 year) but
only strictly to communicate with my friends, that's why i am not too
familiar about all the laws and restrictions on the internet.
        about 3 month ago i join the jpop mailing list, the reason that
i joined that is because i want to get the infor about the jpop music,
but this yamamoto guy is frequently offering thing to the other people and
about 2 days ago i got this chain letter, and that got me into a big trouble!
i got a lot of complain letters and i even got one from the u.s. govt.
saying if i don't stop this, the fbi is gonna be after me! that's how i
realized the seriousness about this junk mail. i think i have learned a
very important lesson about using e-mail and the kind of mail that is
just illegal to have on the net. i sincerely apologize to all the
recipients of the letter that i sent, but i also hope someone can help me
clear myself out of this mess. here is yamamoto's address:
eyamamoto@trinity.edu. i will appreciate any kind of advice that will
help me out of this mess, and i hope there are ways that i can do to this
yamamoto guy.
        once again, i apologize for the trouble that i have caused,
please forgive my inexperienceness on the internet world!

p.s. i will quit this mailing list, this is just not what i was hoping to
have when i joined it.

james c.

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date:         wed, 23 oct 1996 18:57:50 -0400
reply-to:     margaret clayton <maclayto@mtholyoke.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         margaret clayton <maclayto@mtholyoke.edu>
subject:      nigc:  really long "make money fast" mailings and obnoxious
              replies

if anyone quotes another one of these "make money fast" messages in its
entirety only to add on a two line comment that does not require the
original message to be understood again in the near future on this list i
am going to go through the roof.

thank you.
margaret

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date:         wed, 23 oct 1996 16:21:00 -0700
reply-to:     marianne barlow <mlb1@axe.humboldt.edu>
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from:         marianne barlow <mlb1@axe.humboldt.edu>
subject:      re: maxell points
x-to:         k miller <kmiller@accessone.com>
in-reply-to:  <326d7302.2461@accessone.com>

don't forget:

my first amy & emily -- very basic dolls with big eyes and nothin' but
the essentials

amy & emily wetsie -- after a couple of beers and a good conversation
about reincarnation, they tinkle!

cabbage patch amy & emily -- 'nuf said

indigo girls lego set -- build your own concert hall, recording studio,
tour bus, etc.  complete with the girls in different outfits (of course,
with different hairstyles) and snap-on guitars.  additional sets could
be:  more band members & instruments, chickenman's front yard with
accessories, airplane, nomads*indians*saints (complete with walking
shoes, feathered arms & some keys to heaven's assorted gates), etc. lego
has so many possibilities....

amy & emily breakfast cereal (find the names of all your favorite tunes,
plus the girls' faces, all floating in your milk!).  this would come
with a special offer: real indigo girl inside this box!  (unfortunately,
there could only be two boxes containing this special offer)

etc..........................

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date:         wed, 23 oct 1996 19:35:58 -0400
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from:         tuesday's child <dc3545@cnsvax.albany.edu>
subject:      re: maxell points
in-reply-to:  <199610221429.haa01538@prcn.org>

on tue, 22 oct 1996, kim: goddess in her own reality wrote:

> nu uh... the size of a barbie, but built like a real womyn, not some long
> legged, impossibley shaped freak...and, uh...

        hey now!!  i resemble that remark (at least from the hips down)!

                                        lamenting the impossibility of finding
                                        women's pants with a 34 inch inseam,

                                                tuesday's child

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subject:      re: maxell points
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on wed, 23 oct 1996, marianne barlow wrote:

> don't forget:
>
> indigo girls lego set -- build your own concert hall, recording studio,
> tour bus, etc.  complete with the girls in different outfits (of course,
> with different hairstyles) and snap-on guitars.  additional sets could
> be:  more band members & instruments, chickenman's front yard with
> accessories, airplane, nomads*indians*saints (complete with walking
> shoes, feathered arms & some keys to heaven's assorted gates), etc. lego
> has so many possibilities....
>

yes!! i love lego's!  but what i want to know is, does the set come with
acoustic tiles?

                                                        tuesday's child

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reply-to:     karey weisman eals <karey@u.washington.edu>
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from:         karey weisman eals <karey@u.washington.edu>
subject:      complete and utter nigc re: podunkville
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hi, y'all,
i'm posting this so as to just clear it up.

on tue, 22 oct 1996 janinsdale@aol.com wrote:

> in a message dated 96-10-21 18:50:29 edt, you write:
>
> >
> >> go sundevils!
> >as a sundevil myself, i'm very offended by that!
> >
> >  <heh heh heh...>
> >
> >love,
> >karey
>
> karey,
>
> why are you offended????
>
> jan (asu student myself!  :)  )
>

i was only joking (brutha).  really.  like, maybe sundevils are an
endangered species.  or a minority.  ah, nevermind.  it prolly wasn't that
funny, it's just that i agree with what others have said and was just
being sarcastic.  or rather, imitating the clueless pnw people i keep
hearing.  yeah, yeah, don't even flame me for that, it's not everybody,
but believe me, if you move here from east, you really notice the
difference.  like, i'll some smartass comment (this has only happened once
or twice, mind you) (like that!), and the other person will be like,
"well, nooo, that's not really what i meant..."  hello!  <karey tears her
hair out in exasperation>  (hmmm, maybe *that's* what happened...)  and
this is certainly not a flame against jan or anyone who didn't understand
my stupid humor, just an explanation.

peace and sarcasm,
love,
karey


set the crickets for two...
                                -danielle howle

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date:         wed, 23 oct 1996 20:11:09 -0400
reply-to:     "peter a. barta" <bartap@bulldog.georgetown.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "peter a. barta" <bartap@bulldog.georgetown.edu>
subject:      re: shawn colvin nigc
x-to:         sasha friedman <indigofrk@aol.com>
in-reply-to:  <961022231559_216474354@emout01.mail.aol.com>

if anyone did manage to get a copy of this show, i'd be eternally
grateful. it was great!


> hi all..
> just wanted to share my evening... first, i just returned from seeing shawn
> colvin play at the 9:30 club in dc.  it was a free show, and she played all
> her new record and a few old things like shotgun down the avalanche.
>  anyways.  she  was wonderful.  ona disappointing note, i taped the whole
> entire show..on the second to last song my tape  was confiscated by a
> security guard.  it sucked.   it was such a good show.  usually, they let
> people tape there...i guess lately they don't ....oh well.. i am off to
> dreamland, (hopefully ig will appear)  just wanted to share my story..
>
> peace
> sasha
>
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"everything that i believe,             "i want to live as an honest man,
crawls from underneath the streets.      to get all i deserve,
everything i truly love,                 and to give all i can,
comes from somewhere high above."        and to love a young woman
                                         that i don't understand."
                        - amy ray
                                                - suzanne vega

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subject:      strange places we hear disappear fear (nigc)

it is not normal to hear "sexual telepathy" on musak in the grocery store.

i am traumatized.

it is almost as bad as hearing "least complicated" on musak in victoria's
secret.  it was totla violens, and it scared me.

devestated and nearly speechless-

karrie

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subject:      re: strange places we hear pink floyd (nigc)

like the muzak version of pink floyd's "wish you were here" on the
airport shuttle last monday.

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to ben and his sense of humor:
this one goes out to you--

"the best thing you've ever done for me is to help me take my life less
seriously--
it's only life after all!!!!!"

(hmmm...now let me see...who said that?...i know it's around here
somewhere...)
:)       :)

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>
> amy & emily breakfast cereal (find the names of all your favorite tunes,
> plus the girls' faces, all floating in your milk!).  this would come
> with a special offer: real indigo girl inside this box!  (unfortunately,
> there could only be two boxes containing this special offer)
>

they already have that...

it's called grape nuts!!!!
teeeee heeeee

(running and ducking for cover)

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subject:      jcs (nigc)

i'm listening to my brand-new just-came-in-the-mail-today jesus christ
superstar cd (amazing) and wondering what the story is on kelly hogan,
the great voice on the simon zealotes track (i think). anyone have any
info?

--steve

p.s. my big dilemma: do i listen to disc 1 again or go to disc 2?
hmmmm....
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subject:      re: nigc: nightmare duets

mc hammer and paula abdul doing "language or the kiss"
michael and janet jackson doing "123"

hmm...it's too late for me to think of anything funnier... :}

anna

"cheap, fast, good - choose any two."
        -as seen near the technical director's desk

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wow, an interesting thought....an a&e christmas would be blissful!


on wed, 23 oct 1996, hsu amber r. batson wrote:

> a & e wouldn't happen to have any special xmas recordings that i am not
> aware of, would they?
> amber
>
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> >
>
> yes!! i love lego's!  but what i want to know is, does the set come with
> acoustic tiles?
>
>                                                         tuesday's child

yes, of course, it would have to if you were to build a proper recording
studio.  also it could come with a complimentary demo tape to listen to
while you build!

the lone coyote

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subject:      re: obsession and strange places

        hi y'all...the obsession thread has died out, but i couldn't resist
this one that just happened today:

        you know you're an obsessed ig fan when...
        you walk into the music store to buy many blank tapes and the sales
clerk: a)remembers you as the "indigo girls guru" (don't laugh, she actually
called me this!!)  b)asks if i own anything that is not related to the girls
and c)pulls out a notepad after asking me what the girls are currently up to...

and for strange places...

        scouted a hike for work in michaux forest in pa this past monday...i
am in the middle of the forest, it's raining and i am wading through the
trail.  i come to an appalachain trail shelter site and what greets me?
        the sweet sound of "watershed" from one of the shelters!!!  i was
shocked to say the least, but chatted with a thru-hiker who says that he
never, ever hits the trail without ig in his pack!!!!

        peace

        jen


"i don't wanna to wait for heaven
i can find what i need right here on earth this time,
there's too many people only waiting for heaven
let me tell you, if you can't feel it here, you won't feel it there anyway"
     -amy ray

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> >
>
> they already have that...
>
> it's called grape nuts!!!!
> teeeee heeeee
>
> (running and ducking for cover)
>
am i missing something?  i'm laughing, but i'm not sure why.  are you
spending your mornings sculpting the faces of a & e out of grape nuts, or
is this some previous joke of which i am unaware?

just wondering why i'm cracking up at this insanity....

=)
the lone coyote

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subject:      4-track recorders (nigc)

hi y'all--a question that i hope someone can answer.  i spent the better
part of today shopping around for 4 track recorders so that i can amuse
myself by attempting to sing ig songs with both melodies and harmonies and
record them for my enjoyment.  much to my surprise, few places carried them
and even fewer even knew what they were.  i need help.  those who record
with these things should know where they got theres.  is there another naem
they go by?  do i need a specialty electronics store?  where does one pick
up a 4 track?  and about how much are they?  i really appreciate any help
anyone can give.  i am assuming i don't have to be a professional dj to
obtain one of these.  private email please.  thanks again

greg

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in a message dated 96-10-23 22:17:56 edt, mlb1@axe.humboldt.edu (marianne
barlow) writes:

>
>  wow, an interesting thought....an a&e christmas would be blissful!
>

...or, let's not forget, an a&e chanukah!  hearing the girls sing the dreidel
song would be fun!

-sheri :)

"...so play your harmonica and smoke your marijuanikah, it's time to
celebrate chanukah..."- butchered from a. sandler's chanukah song

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subject:      re: new, fun topic

in a message dated 96-10-23 10:00:00 edt, jen writed:

<< definetly long hair! i've never been too fond of the 'butch' look on
either one of them... rather scary! >>

au contrair mon frair !!!!

i think amy looks way more butch with long hair !
emily couldn't be butch if she tried......puhlease.

(i know because thats what my friends told me about
  my own pathetic attempts at butchness *sigh*)

of course the appeal of the "ig" (allgreatandpowerfull)
is that at last they are  just plain old no make-up,
comfy shoe wearin' clothes you can live in wearin' 'no slaves to
fashion' people.....just like (i would venture to say..)
most of us...its fun fabulous and very appealing....
at last ! validation for those of use who feel
as trapped as the man in the iron mask when wearing
makeup !!!!! (so we just don't :)
(of course that wont get you on mtv;)

(but really....em should try to 'butch it up' a little more ;)
love !
binky
"when i have a brand new....hairdoo, and my eylashes all in curls
i float like the clouds on....air do....i enjoy being a girl !!!!!"
(something like that....)

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> definetly long hair! i've never been too fond of the 'butch' look on
> either one of them... rather scary!
>
> jen
>
be careful, jen. lots of people have short hair...not all of us like to
be referred to as "butch". and...please, don't equate butch with scary.
some of the nicest, most gentle women i know have absolutely no hair at
all! oh, and by the way, whenever i daydream about meeting amy when she
comes to the screening of my latest film and approaches me afterwards to
tell me how brilliant i am, she always has short hair!!! emily too.
peace, kim (north vancouver) (who is playing soccer again and has been
begging her calf muscles to work since yesterday's awful and long
practice was finished).

clarice - i went to live on a cattle ranch.
lecter  - a cattle ranch?
clarice - horses -----and sheep.
lecter  - how long did you live there?
clarice - two months.
lecter  - why so briefly?
clarice - i ... ran away.

more.. next time on...kim's favorite scenes!!!

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subject:      kelly hogan - nigc

steve moore <whoadave@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>i'm listening to my brand-new just-came-in-the-mail-today jesus christ
>superstar cd (amazing) and wondering what the story is on kelly hogan,
>the great voice on the simon zealotes track (i think). anyone have any
>info?

kelly has a *fairly* new cd out - "the whistle only dogs can hear". she has
a huge voice. she has scored quite a bit of ink over the past few months...
you can get more information at:

     http://monsterbit.com/longplay/hogan.html

lori

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subject:      purple princess gets her paper and is free! (nigc)

hello my favorite list community of love and adoration,

please send congrats greetings to my little sundara who slyly informed me that
as of today she is a graduate of the university of puget sound, one of the
finest instituions of higher learning in the pnw (where apparently people don't
get sarcasm)

here's to you sundarling! yahoo!

xoxo
susan
ps. her address is smurphy@ups.edu

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subject:      completely nigc

on wed, 23 oct 1996 19:35:58 -0400, tuesday's child wrote:

>on tue, 22 oct 1996, kim: goddess in her own reality wrote:
>
>> nu uh... the size of a barbie, but built like a real womyn, not some long
>> legged, impossibley shaped freak...and, uh...
>
>        hey now!!  i resemble that remark (at least from the hips down)!
>
>                                        lamenting the impossibility of finding
>                                        women's pants with a 34 inch inseam,
>
>                                                tuesday's child

i know how you feel...i'm 5'11". i usually have to wear men's pants to get
them long enough to where i like 'em, but sometimes can find women's that
fit if they're 'tall'.

shanna

sfreeman@coe.uga.edu

**when you learn to love yourself you will dissolve the stones that are cast**

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subject:      re: that there "butch" look

in a message dated 96-10-23 10:00:00 edt, jen wrote:
>
><< definetly long hair! i've never been too fond of the 'butch' look on
> either one of them... rather scary! >>
>
i know you must mean this as "scarey" in a fashion sense:) not "scarey cause
they looked "too" gay for mainstream", right? right. yikes...
me... i sport very short hair + try as i might, can't come off as "butch",
while some of the "butchest" womyn i know have had long hair... it's never
the clothes nor the hair, it's the attitude and the over all "feel" to a
person... and even then, "butch" is not scarey... mean and threatening, with
princess leah bagel buns, like brunhilda the prison guard in those shlocky
cartoons... now *that's* scarey....
hmmm... what point was i trying to make here???... i seem to have
faltered.... yoiks... uh...
okay... both of them with purple hair!!! that's it... i defy you to tell me
i can't just vote on color:)
peace... kim ( in powell river... north of kim in vancouver ) <waving at the
other kim who is really nice...>
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
      <just kim>rcn@prcn.org
"isn't it a shame about men? they have a
penis and a brain, but only enough blood to
operate one at a time."
---------------robin williams---------------
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>

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subject:      ani tix! (nigc)

i'm really desparate cuz i just called for tix to ani's nov. 8th concert in
madison, wi only to be informed that they sold out a few days ago! so, if
anyone has a spare ticket they'd be willing to sell me, i'm in need of 2.
could someone also please get me the address for the ani list? thanks guys!

~abigail


"i will not be....

a pawn" ~emily saliers

afraid of women" ~dar williams

complacent!!!" ~amy ray

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subject:      strange places we hear catie curtis (nigc)

it may be abnormal to hear df on muzak. it may be abnormal to hear ig on muzak.
but it brings the word "abnormal" to new heights when you hear catie's "you
can always be gone" on muzak in an eddie bauer outlet store, as i did not long
ago.
kirsten

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subject:      places we here ig

i remember hearing them on "least complicated" in a snack shop here on
campus my freshman year while enjoying my daily breakfast fix of snapple
and a cheese bagel...i was pretty impressed.  i also heard "power of two"
while waiting to drop $400 for this semester's books in the bookstore...

--m.   :)

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subject:      re: that there "butch" look

ok, so out of concern for bandwidth, i wasn't gonna respond to this hair
survey.  but in face of possible dyke-do-phobia ("do" as in hair-do) &
subsequent responses, i now want to make sure my vote is counted too :>
which is:
- emily: definitely short, & i'd love to see how she looks w/ a spiked
dyke-do
- amy:  either long, or also short & spiked.

i think since emily is more femme that the short do would be fun on her;
likewise, amy more butch so the long do is fun.  incongruity is always
fun!!

btw i just saw a fun new book called "lesbian hair"...  if you look for
it, it's a paperback with mona-lisa-with-a-dyke-do on the cover.

too much fun!  and too late at night!!

kathy

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emily-long
amy -bald with one of those little nomads tatooed to her scalp.
ben

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subject:      ig legos!

marianne wrote about an ig lego set with accessories...you know there needs
to be a purple parrot in there too!  *g*

mary  :)

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date:         thu, 24 oct 1996 10:15:27 edt
reply-to:     "christopher m. becker" <cmbecker@space.mit.edu>
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subject:      re: jcs (nigc)
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              at oct 23, 96 6:44 pm

>
> i'm listening to my brand-new just-came-in-the-mail-today jesus christ
> superstar cd (amazing) and wondering what the story is on kelly hogan,
> the great voice on the simon zealotes track (i think). anyone have any
> info?

i can't agree with you more on kelly hogan -- she rocks!  to be
honest, i think she had the best performance in the show.  it was so
good, i played jcs for a friend of mine who has seen/heard about 20
productions of the show (directing two of them) and he said if he ever
does it again he's going to cast a female in the simon zelotes role
(provided the talent is availiable).  he called kelly's effort "the
best and most memorable performance he's heard."

thanks to lori for the cd information.  when my cd moratorium ends, i
need to pick up a copy!

                                        -- chris

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subject:      nigc... email problems

well my email all of the sudden decided to make itself a little password
that i have to enter to get into it.  the computer just made up a password,
so i have no idea what it is, so i can't get into my email.  this is my
mom's account.  if any of you smarties knows how to fix that, give me a buzz
here at my mom's address.  i have eudora 3.0 if anyone knows how to work
that.  let me know.  otherwise.... all you kids who love me and write me
email, you can send it here to sherrie@utah-inter.net!

corinne

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subject:      back together again

i was just sitting here listening to back together again and i realized
that i really like it.  it is probably one of my favorite songs.  it
really signifies my friendships that have ridden the seas of time.  i
think that everyone who has a friend for more than a couple of years
knows what it is like to loose touch with each other, then find one
another again.  it is a great feeling and you just want to hold on to
them and not let go.  that is what i hear when i listen to this song.

just thought i would share.
jessi

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in-reply-to:  <94017337011c0e00>

>> amy & emily breakfast cereal
>--snip--
>
>they already have that...
>
>it's called grape nuts!!!!
>teeeee heeeee

but whoa, wait a second.  if grape nuts were sold as an indigo girls
breakfast cereal, i think there might be some legal problems, given that
it would be a violation of ben & jerry's concept of selling grape nuts
under the indigo girls name.

i heard indigo swirls is going to be introduced really soon.  maybe in
conjunction with the new album.

: )
  harry a. keates
  email: hak@crai.com

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subject:      re: on the subject of xmas

>wow, an interesting thought....an a&e christmas would be blissful!

amen!!!  i might actually start to like xmas again.  i'm curious:  has
there been a thread for  the ultimate ig xmas cd -  like what songs, and
who leads?   and,....i think as a list, we could improve upon the "twelve
days of xmas", make it more to our liking if you get my drift.

betsy (aka scrooge)

-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_
..you see turning off the light switch is their only power
      when we stand like spotlights in a mighty tower
                       all for one and one for all
                    then we sing the common call.....
                                                             e. saliers
_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-

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subject:      places we here ig

here's my $0.02 about hearing the ig in weird places:

i was sitting in the glass dome enclosure near the entrance of navy
pier here in chicago, sitting amongst all the jumping fountains and i
heard bonnie raitt's version of the song she covered on the boys on
the side soundtrack (i think it's called "you got it") and thought to
myself "cool."  the next song they played was pot.  i was in heaven.
but, as usual, my friends thought i was weird when i *demanded* that
we stay until the end of the song.  it didn't help that they played
southland in the springtime right after that.  still, it was cool.

-j

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subject:      re: places we here ig

this blew me away:   last year  i was  in a sears store and in the
electronics dept there was a tv playing with the video for touch me fall
(and since i don't have cable and had not seen it  - i was rivetted in
place).  sears earned some big points, let me tell you.....

betsy

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subject:      re: ig and x-mas

my memory is failing me so i need some help.  i am trying to remember the
details of an absolutely amazing ig concert at the state theater in
new brunswick, nj back around christmas-time in 1992.  i don't remember how
close it was (early dec.?) but the city of new brunswick had all the christmas
stuff up already.  anyway the roches were the opening act and i think there
may have been a christmas song preformed during the show.  this is where
my memory fails me...

does anyone remember (bert?)?  does anyone who may have a boot know?

cynthia
crecca@admin.njit.edu

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does anyone out there have   a boot for any show here
at the metro in chicago???
just spent the morning listening to in with the out crowd..forgot what a
great boot it is..take a listen again some time...
pooh

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subject:      re: on the subject of xmas

at 07:51 am 10/24/96 -0700, betsy wrote:
> and,....i think as a list, we could improve upon the "twelve
>days of xmas", make it more to our liking if you get my drift.
>
i dunno... that "twelve maids a-milking" line is sort of right... and takes
on a whole new meaning for me:)... bet none o' them had rough hands, or ate
the cows brother....
moooooo!!!!!!!
peace...kim
< "i can't talk now... we have cows!!!" twister.>
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that post i just made about the 12 days of christmas + the
maids-a-milking??? now, i know it weren't 12 of them... was it?... i'm so
confused... best go listen to some ig music...
peace... kim
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subject:      kelly hogan

yes, kelly hogan rocks!!
she is also a member of the rock*a*teens, a very cool band on daemon's label.
it's definitely worth getting.
i agree about her performance on jcs as well, her voice is absolutely gorgeous,
she's babe too ;)
see ya
amy c

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subject:      re: ig and x-mas
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actually, there is something xmas related that ig have done.  there's a
promo cd single out there of "get together" that has a short "holiday
greeting" by a&e at the beginning... they basically say season's
greetings to everyone, but don't forget that there are a lot of people out
there less fortunate than we are, specifically the homeless, so let's all
"get together" and help people out who are less fortunate they we are...
the greeting part is really short -- all of maybe 15 seconds -- mostly
emily talking -- but something that the obsessive fan might want to look
out for ;)

thought i'd just throw that out there since i hadn't seen it mentioned
at all during this thread.

lori

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subject:      re: that there "butch" look

on thu, 24 oct 1996, ben wrote:

> emily-long
> amy -bald with one of those little nomads tatooed to her scalp.

oooh!  i like the tatoo idea!  better yet, how about many tatoos
representing each of her songs?  she might run out of room, but that
could make it interesting, too...

anna

"there is more simplicity in the man who eats caviar on impulse than
in the man who eats grape-nuts on principle."  - g. k. chesterton

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subject:      re: the screechy bumbershoot woman

actually, y'all... i had promised not to divulge this....
        but that was kim, our kanook goddess, making those gawd-awful
noises... the booter picked it up all the way from bc.... she was that
despondent about not being there.  thus, binky, why it was so far off from
"normal" concert schreechies.

        and corrine... that was you?!  ;-)
tracy <ducking for cover>
        <and finally slogging through the digests that accumulated while i
was gone>
        <and who will be a real-live reaccepted senior at the uw for real
now!!! "welcome me" back!  whoooo hooooo!!!>

"it doesn't appear that she is being held against her will...
        well... i mean... it does *appear* that way...."
                -- agent dana scully

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subject:      re: on the subject of xmas

wow! i've started a thread! i'm not a newbie anymore(?)! i've been
flamed too (quite some time ago though) ok-

amy singing the christmas song (chestnuts roasting on an open fire)
and, again, amy singing lead on walking in a winter wonderland.
emily on silent night, oh oh and they would have to sing rockin' around
the xmas tree.
amber

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subject:      re: strange places we hear catie curtis (nigc)
x-to:         kirsten chevalier <kirsten@spike.wellesley.edu>

kirsten chevalier wrote:
>
> it may be abnormal to hear df on muzak. it may be abnormal to hear ig on muzak.
> but it brings the word "abnormal" to new heights when you hear catie's "you
> can always be gone" on muzak in an eddie bauer outlet store, as i did not long
> ago.
> kirsten


and i thought i was looseing my mind when i heared it.  gotta give eddie
credit for great musak.

kris vockler
vockler@pacifier.com

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subject:      butch is dead!

just my .02 cents....
    i'm so sick of the entire butch/femme dynamic.  i cannot tell you how tired
and old it is...do you even know what it stemmed from, and what the history of
it is...?  if not, i seriously recommend reading lillian faderman's odd girls
and twilight lovers.  its the history of american lesbians in the 20th century
and the discussion on 50's butch/femmes is a real eye-opener.
    maybe i'm just bitter, i've known too many lesbians who are quick to
dismiss someone as "butch" or "femme" and seem unable to deal with people on
any other level.  its a silly silly affectation in my opinion, and thank heaven
amy and emily don't seem to subscribe to it.
flame away,
cari

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subject:      what have you heard?

hi everyone,

i was thinking of posting this topic for about or week or so, and it is
kind of along the lines of the "weird places you hear ig" thread...

so "what have you heard?" and been *surprised* at!  granted, it's great to
hear any ig song.  but what "less popular" songs have you heard?  (i.e.
not galileo, lc, po2...)

the other week my clock radio was playing b/c it's what wakes me up.  i
was about to turn it off b/c i was about to leave when i heard the
beautiful familiar opening chords of "welcome me"  what a treat!  it was
played on pgh's cool local "member-supported radio station 91.3 wyep..."
geez, can you tell i listen a lot...

peace y'all,   melissa

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x-to:         "kim: goddess in her own reality" <rcn@prcn.org>

kim,
(i am posting this so everyone can have it stuck in their heads...)

a partridge in a pear tree
2 turtle doves
3 french hens
4 calling birds
5 golden rings
6 geese a laying
7 swans a swimming
8 maids a milking
9 drummers drumming
10 pipers piping
11 ladies dancing
12 lords a leaping

>-----original message-----
>from:  kim: goddess in her own reality [smtp:rcn@prcn.org]
>sent:  thursday, october 24, 1996 8:22 am
>to:    multiple recipients of list indigo-girls
>subject:       ooops
>
>that post i just made about the 12 days of christmas + the
>maids-a-milking??? now, i know it weren't 12 of them... was it?... i'm so
>confused... best go listen to some ig music...
>peace... kim
><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
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subject:      re: ig and x-mas
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in-reply-to:  <009aa524.7ae896b0.115@admin.njit.edu> from "cynthia a. crecca"
              at oct 24, 96 11:10:51 am

don't have it on tape tho i remember it was two days before one of my fave
shows so i *believe* it was 12/2/92 and the song may have been "river" (pure
speculation folks, was never at nor ever heard the bootleg, tho i know emily
played river two days later at brandeis, and well, it was like a spiritual
moment that you never forget. that was a show to be at (actually that whole
dec tour was great, too bad ejs didn't follow them and the roaches had to do
the brandeis and bates shows...)

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subject:      12 indigo days of christmas

>and,....i think as a list, we could improve upon the "twelve
>days of xmas", make it more to our liking if you get my drift.

hey this could be fun!  allow me to get the ball rolling...

on the first day of christmas my true love sent to me
a lone coyote

on the second day of christmas my true love sent to me
two - that's the power of...
and a lone coyote

on the third day of christmas my true love sent to me
three hits to the heart
two - that's the power of...
and a lone coyote

on the fourth day of christmas my true love sent to me
4 -  ???
three hits to the heart
two - that's the power of...
and a lone coyote

on the fifth day of christmas my true love sent to me
five steps down
4 -  ???
three hits to the heart
two - that's the power of...
and a lone coyote

can't think of many more at the mo, except p'raps 10 thousand wars?? 12
o'clock curfews?? and okay, so some of them wouldn't make great gifts if you
take the song literally (great! 5 steps down - just what i always wanted!),
but you get my drift.  hope the rest of you have some better suggestions!

happy holidays,

seffy

(p.s. just wait till i treat you to my rendition of 'godess bless you merry
dykewimmin...'!)

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subject:      new tape suggestions for the faq???

just wondering if this makes any sense since there are now so many more good
shows and tapes and stuff and the last time (and it has been awhile folks) i
looked at the faq it listed blue food,color me grey, the purple parrot,
tuesday's children, reverse 1, shades, possibly club rock and roll and
something else (general foods? )
i'm wondering if more "audience shows" should be included, such as central
park 9/20/92, brandeis 12/4/92 , bottomline 4/10/93 (either set) chapel hill
11-13-87 (soundboard) unh 4/22/94(with a possible explanation as to the list
significance -- if any) newport 93, oregon '93, all of the world cafe b'cast
(6/92, 5/94, 10/96) and a bunch of others -- please i am pulling these off
my head -- others should be added like the dead does in their faq, so people
know what other people think are shows worth getting....


of course, if the bread and roses boot exist, it should be added no matter
what the quality is...(can you see my pleading expression on my face?? 8^)

mike r.

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date:         thu, 24 oct 1996 12:32:39 -0400
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i just wanted to thank everyone who responded to my question about which
nields album to buy.  since a number of people asked me what the rec.
was, i figured i'd just post to the lists rather than respond
individually.

the answer was overwhelmingly for ...  um ... well ... both bob on the
ceiling and gotta get over greta.  actually, it was an exact tie!  here's
the interesting thing, i thought it was anyway.  people from the ig list
tend to prefer botc, which is described as a little more folk of the two,
and people on the dar list tend to prefer ggog, which is described as
more r&r.  i don't know what it means, i just thought it was kind of
curious.  anyway i'm off this weekend to buy  ...  um ... hmmm ...  i
guess i'm not sure which one i'll get.

you people were no help at all!!!!  : )

thanks to everyone who responded,

  harry a. keates
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subject:      re: 12 indigo days of christmas
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my true love sent to me

six sticks and went home.

chris ii

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subject:      eddie bauer music

at 01:14 am 10/24/96 edt, you wrote:

>but it brings the word "abnormal" to new heights when you hear catie's "you
>can always be gone" on muzak in an eddie bauer outlet store, as i did not long
>ago.
>kirsten
>
eddie bauer does play cool music.  i was just in there last week buying a
new coat, which is very cool by the way, when i thought i heard the ig.  i
walked around the store searching for the speaker to make sure my ears
weren't deceiving me.  and yes, they were indeed playing the ig!  i think it
was "closer to fine" but i don't remember.  it was strange hearing them
someplace other than my room.  :)  peace out.
rebekah

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subject:      re: 12 indigo days of christmas

or another possible 2nd day gift (i love yours though!) could be:

"two things you could die for"

:) abigail (hoping y'all get that one!)


>on the second day of christmas my true love sent to me
>two - that's the power of...
>and a lone coyote
>
"i will not be....

a pawn" ~emily saliers

afraid of women" ~dar williams

complacent!!!" ~amy ray

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5th day my true love sent to me 5 cows mooing...

>-----original message-----
>from:  christine talbot [smtp:talbotc@umich.edu]
>sent:  thursday, october 24, 1996 9:40 am
>to:    multiple recipients of list indigo-girls
>subject:       re: 12 indigo days of christmas
>
>my true love sent to me
>
>six sticks and went home.
>
>chris ii
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subject:      re: butch hair igc
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yikes... i wanted to let you all know i meant nothing deragatory by
saying 'butch.' a lot of my friends sport this look as well and i
certainly didn't mean to say that they are scary. let me try and re-word
this.

i prefer both the girls with longer hair. :)

jen (sorry if i offended anyone, i certainly didn't mean to)

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subject:      back together again

<<i was just sitting here listening to back together again and i realized
that i really like it.  it is probably one of my favorite songs.  it
really signifies my friendships that have ridden the seas of time.  i
think that everyone who has a friend for more than a couple of years
knows what it is like to loose touch with each other, then find one
another again.  it is a great feeling and you just want to hold on to
them and not let go.  that is what i hear when i listen to this song.>>

i could not agree w/ you more!  when i read what emily wrote in the 1200c
notes, "...the lyrics make me cring when i hear them now...yikes--the
lyrics!" i got kinda sad, b/c although the lyrics are simple &
young-sounding, they remind me of so many good times when i was reunited
with old friends.  i even put this on a mix i made for a friend, & she
though it was "soooooo sweet."

andi

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subject:      what about us jewish fans? (long)

<<amy singing the christmas song (chestnuts roasting on an open fire)
and, again, amy singing lead on walking in a winter wonderland.
emily on silent night, oh oh and they would have to sing rockin' around
the xmas tree.>>

i love christmas music & all, but i thought i'd throw in my $.02 about
hannukah songs that would fit perfectly on the "seasons greetings" album.
i think that song, "light one candle" would be perfect!  the lyrics go
something like:

first verse: light one candle for the maccabee children with thanks that
their light didn't die.  light one candle for the pain they endured when
their right to exist was denied.  light one for the terrrible
sacrifice...(i forget this part)...and light one candle for the wisdom to
know when the peacemakers' time is at hand.

chorus: don't let the light go out, it's lasted for so many years.  don't
let the light go out, let it shine through our love and our tears.

(i forget the second verse.)

third verse: what is the memory that's valued so highly, that we keep alive
in that flame?  what's the committment, to those who have died, when we cry
out they've not died in vain?  we have come this far, always beleiveing
that justice will somehow prevail.  this is the burden, and this is the
promise, and this is why we will we not fail.

(chrous again)

i sang that song a long time ago, so i forget some of the words.  but the
lyrics apply to everything--don't let the light go out--it's classic.  does
anyone know the rest of the words?  but wow, i can just imagine the
harmony! :)

oh yeah...someone already mentioned the dreidel song too...that would be
cute!  <g>  can't you just see a & e spinning dreidels, singing, "dreidel,
dreidel dreidel, i made it out of clay...and when it's dry and ready, then
dredeil i shall play!"  and gambling w/ gelt!!!  hee hee...

sorry to go on like this...i got excited!

andi

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subject:      amy's hair

she imo just drips coolness...!!!!  would she be offended by that?? i hope not!
i like the variety in hairstyles...i wish i had the patience to let my own
hair change--i'm just weak in that area!!
someone awhile ago asked what color were her eyes.  in the two pics i have
of her, i'd say they were definately hazel.

going for a trim at 3:00....
stacy.
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subject:      re: 12 indigo days of christmas

chris ii adds:

>5th day my true love sent to me 5 cows mooing...

i have to go with "five prairie dogs and a rabbit"  (taken from chickenman
soc) and i want the lone coyote in a cedar tree (or a peach tree).

a lone coyote in a cedar tree
two restless arms to hold
three hits to the heart
four shiny little trinkets
five praire dogs and a rabbit (she hasn't run over them yet)
a table set for six
seven b-grade movies
eight barking dogs
nine girls in bars
ten million miles of road
eleven intimate strangers
twelve statues of lovers

ok ok this needs major work (like i don't think i'd really want three hits
to the heart or eight barking dogs,....oh well.

and i'm going to trade my maxell points in for an ig see & say.


betsy


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      when we stand like spotlights in a mighty tower
                       all for one and one for all
                    then we sing the common call.....
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subject:      re: butch is dead!
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whoa, there..this ol' soft butch is here to tell you  that not only
is butch/femme not dead it is growing adn thriving as an identity,
which is at it should be. let me say alsothat not every lesbian is butch
or femme, nor shoulthey feel the need to be, nor is every
woman who identifies as butch or femme a lesbian.

>     i'm so sick of the entire butch/femme dynamic.  i cannot tell you how tired
> and old it is...do you even know what it stemmed from, and what the history of
> it is...?  if not, i seriously recommend reading lillian faderman's odd girls
> and twilight lovers.  its the history of american lesbians in the 20th century
> and the discussion on 50's butch/femmes is a real eye-opener.

never ever has *one* history book ever seen as the be all and
end all of the story.  lillian faderman is no exception.   please add
to your reading list "stone butch blues" by leslie feinberg and
"persistent desire:  a femme/butch reader" edited by
joan nestle, founder of the lesbian herstory archives.   very
contemporary works about very contemporary lives.  sbb starts in
the 50's and covers several decades.

one, it is foolish and stupid to qualify butches and femmes now
with how it was in the 50's.  you sound like pat robertson that way
trying to bring back the "50's family".  have you thought about the context
of that history?  have you talked to anyone in the 90's who identifies
as butch or femme?  b/f (as an abbreviation here) is something different
for everyone.  it is not a role, it is not play acting.  for many, myself
included, it is a gender identity (differnt from physical sex..gender is
expression while sex is the body).  i have many friends, straight and gay,
who are not butch or femme, and we have no trouble relating to each
other.  ther are as many shades of lesbians as there are gay men and bi's
and straight folks, and b/f is simply one way for some to identify.

two, if something doesnt fit you, fine, no problem.  but
dismissing many mny people who are proud of hard fought for identities
(and it is a process, not a wake up in the morning and decide sort
of thing) is such the wrong thing to do.  i know no butch o femme who
does not fight and struggle and wrestle with life as a butch or femme
in our world.  it's part of everything i do becuase it is part of me.

>     maybe i'm just bitter, i've known too many lesbians who are quick to
> dismiss someone as "butch" or "femme" and seem unable to deal with people on
> any other level.  its a silly silly affectation in my opinion, and thank heaven
> amy and emily don't seem to subscribe to it.

maybe you are bitter.  maybe you are making illwrought distinctions
based one what one woman wrote and what some epople ytou know do.  is
that fair to real people?  i am not silly and i am hardly
affected (unless my "inner fag" comes out and then watch out ;) )

as for amy and emily, i certainly dont know how they feel about the
issue, but i can guess they might keep that part of themselves quiet
give he amount of anti-b/f prejudice, such as thrown out in your
post, that still is out there in the lesbian and straight communities.
so what if they are?  so what if they're not?  it doesnt matter
anyway.  they certainly wouldnt be worthy of any less respect if
b/f was part of their identities.


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pegasus@crl.com            \     /      when you're alone
monk@world.std.com          \   /
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subject:      re: 12 indigo days of christmas
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              oct 24, 96 5:37 pm

> on the ... day of christmas my true love sent to me
> five steps down
> 4 -  ???
> three hits to the heart
> two - that's the power of...
> and a lone coyote

tweleve hundred curfews
eleven
ten thousand wars
nine
eight
seven
six(teen) ninety-four  [ok-- that's weak]
five steps down
four point five
three hits to the heart
two -- thats the power of
and a lone coyote in a cedar tree


                        those others are hard...

                                chris

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on thu, 24 oct 1996, keates, harry wrote:

> but whoa, wait a second.  if grape nuts were sold as an indigo girls
> breakfast cereal, i think there might be some legal problems, given that
> it would be a violation of ben & jerry's concept of selling grape nuts
> under the indigo girls name.

but wouldn't b&j's have to prove that whoever was selling them ripped the
idea from their own product?

>
> i heard indigo swirls is going to be introduced really soon.  maybe in
> conjunction with the new album.
>

this couldn't have been to do with our campaign on this list earlier this
year could it?

mat

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subject:      butch is dead?

well, i've been reading this whole hair/butch/whatever thread with some
mild interest (being of the short hair persuasion myself, i have to say "go
low maintenance hair!").  i think we all get a little too worked up a
little too easily.  yes, it is very not nice to say someone is scary
because of her hair, but that was all clarified and we all get along again.
also, the history behind butch/femme labeling is very regrettable and not
something we should want to hold onto in terms of "how to live our lives",
but we do label people whether we want to admit it or not.  we may not (and
should not) judge them by their various labels, but it is an innate and/or
socialized characteristic.  it's our little way of differentiation,
maintaining our individuality (whether or not that's a good thing is a
totally different topic).  it's not bad to be called butch or femme, just
like it's not bad to be called blonde or brunette, only bad to make
assumptions and judgements based on these things.  those are just my
opinions, i would really like to know what other people think about this
whole thing, i could be totally misguided and not realise it, which would
be sad.  i just think there are bigger things out there to worry about.
peace and no offense meant to anyone,

january

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       - ren and stimpy

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subject:      re: 12 indigo days of christmas...

ummm.... how about for 4 "4 years prostrate to the higher mind" or something
along that line...

cynthia

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subject:      amy's hair

hey y'all-
   well, i already made my vote for amy and emily's hair and then someone
posted that they liked amy's hair when it was really short from the watershed
video where she is playing with the dog before opening for the gd. (run on?)
any way, i was wondering if this was after she shaved her head and it was
growing out?  did she really shave her head at all ?  i need  pictures!!!
i am so dense,
*lou lou*
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subject:      you know your and obsessed...

hey y'all-
   i know this is an old thread but i just realized something that made me an
obsessed fan (as if i needed verification!):
when in geometry class, you name all the angles of a triangle r-o-p, n-i-s,
and m-a-p and refuse to name them any differently.
*lou* who is just giddy about seeing dar tonight!!!
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subject:      purple parrott

so..my copy ends abruptly after summertime....does everyone
elses'????
just wondering..
oh..jan...yer copys in the mail........

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from:         marianne barlow <mlb1@axe.humboldt.edu>
subject:      re: 12 indigo days of christmas
x-to:         rachel sefton-smith <seffy@epic.co.uk>
in-reply-to:  <m0vgsmn-000dbqc@post.epic.co.uk>

this is a great start, i think to make the rhythm right, the lone coyote
should be in an airplane

....and a lone coyote in an airplane....


on thu, 24 oct 1996, rachel sefton-smith wrote:

> >and,....i think as a list, we could improve upon the "twelve
> >days of xmas", make it more to our liking if you get my drift.
>
> hey this could be fun!  allow me to get the ball rolling...
>
> on the first day of christmas my true love sent to me
> a lone coyote
>
> on the second day of christmas my true love sent to me
> two - that's the power of...
> and a lone coyote
>
> on the third day of christmas my true love sent to me
> three hits to the heart
> two - that's the power of...
> and a lone coyote
>
> on the fourth day of christmas my true love sent to me
> 4 -  ???
> three hits to the heart
> two - that's the power of...
> and a lone coyote
>
> on the fifth day of christmas my true love sent to me
> five steps down
> 4 -  ???
> three hits to the heart
> two - that's the power of...
> and a lone coyote
>
> can't think of many more at the mo, except p'raps 10 thousand wars?? 12
> o'clock curfews?? and okay, so some of them wouldn't make great gifts if you
> take the song literally (great! 5 steps down - just what i always wanted!),
> but you get my drift.  hope the rest of you have some better suggestions!
>
> happy holidays,
>
> seffy
>
> (p.s. just wait till i treat you to my rendition of 'godess bless you merry
> dykewimmin...'!)
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date:         thu, 24 oct 1996 13:57:00 -0700
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from:         marianne barlow <mlb1@axe.humboldt.edu>
subject:      re: on the subject of xmas
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>
> amen!!!  i might actually start to like xmas again.  i'm curious:  has
> there been a thread for  the ultimate ig xmas cd -  like what songs, and
> who leads?   and,....i think as a list, we could improve upon the "twelve
> days of xmas", make it more to our liking if you get my drift.
>
> betsy (aka scrooge)
>
i think if we were to have a thread on the ultimate ig christmas songs, i
would contribute this:

some children see him (if you know this song, you gotta love it--i first
heard george winston's piano version on his december album.  it's
beautiful)  with emily leading (so i could learn amy's awesome harmony).
anyone else care to contribute?  any winter holiday type song (doesn't
have to be xmas)

=) the lone coyote

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i would love to hear emily doing 'i watch you sleeping'. for those of you
who haven't heard this, try to get ahold of the double disc 'save the
children' christmas charity album. it is casts of les miz, phantom,
starlight express, cats, and many others doing christmas/winter/holiday
songs to benefit save the children charities. wonderful!

jen

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nooo!  i've been in such a christmas spirit lately and i have to stop.
this always happens to me. i always get in the x-mas spirit at the most
bizarre times(i.e.-mid-july, early may, now). then when christmas does
come i'm all like "eh".  so i will refuse to read any of these
posts...until the holiday season begins.
ben
" it's ok, i never get what i really want. i always end up with a bunch
of stupid toys or a bike or something stupid like that."

"what is it you want?"

"real estate"

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date:         thu, 24 oct 1996 17:43:48 edt
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subject:      re light one candle lyrics
x-to:         ablipman@sas.upenn.edu

you asked, so here they are...courtesy of
http://www.magick.net/~ppm/nnoeasy.html#light

  light one candle


written by peter yarrow, copyright 1983 silver dawn music (ascap)

light one candle for the maccabee children
with thanks that their light didn't die
light one candle for the pain they endured
when their right to exist was denied
light one candle for the terrible sacrifice
justice and freedom demand
but light one candle for the wisdome to know
when the peacemaker's time is at hand

chorus:
        don't let the light go out!
        it's lasted for so many years!
        don't let the light go out!
        let it shine through our love and our tears.

light one candle for the strength that we need
to never become our own foe
and light one candle for those who are suffering
pain we learned so long ago
light one candle for all we believe in
that anger not tear us apart
and light one candle to find us together
with peace as the song in our hearts

chorus

what is the memory that's valued so highly
that we keep it alive in that flame?
what's the committment to those who have died
that we cry out they've not died in vain?
we have come this far always believing
that justice would somehow prevail
this is the burning, this is the promise
this is why we will not fail

chorus


don't let the light go out!
don't let the light go out!
don't let the light go out!

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''after three days without programming, life becomes meaningless.''--james
geoffrey, _the tao of programming_
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subject:      re: a&e's hair...

i like 'em both with long hair.

amy
(who also wants an emily doll!)

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subject:      re: maxell points

i want amy and emily and the gang pez dispensers!  or the magnet paper dolls
that can go on your fridge and have various changes of outfits and stuff that
you put over them.

amy

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date:         thu, 24 oct 1996 15:00:55 est
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from:         "cynthia a. crecca" <crecca@admin.njit.edu>
subject:      re: 12 indigo days of christmas...

here i go again... i am supposed to be compiling data on the applicants to
the program i work for, but instead i seem to be preoccupied with finding
numerical references in ig songs and yultide lyrics!

ok here we go  4 -4 years prostrate to the higher mind or
                  4 wheels spinning (blue food...)
               8  "eighth of a reservation" (so it is buffy st. marie)

how about 7 ig albums (is that the correct # of released albums)...

maybe their should be a sample of amy singing "peace on earth" from the ballad
of sqeaky fromme...  peace on earth is awfully christmas-y...

cynthia

someone already posted "table set for 6" right?!

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date:         thu, 24 oct 1996 15:32:00 -0700
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subject:      re: maxell points
x-to:         sea8aggie@aol.com
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maybe we can just use the venus magnet and make amy and emily clothes...
a black tshirt with some political statement on it for amy, with a shirt
over it, lots of dark stuff, and a little sioux cross magnet tattoo...
overalls for emily...

on thu, 24 oct 1996 sea8aggie@aol.com wrote:

> i want amy and emily and the gang pez dispensers!  or the magnet paper dolls
> that can go on your fridge and have various changes of outfits and stuff that
> you put over them.
>
> amy
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subject:      re: re light one candle lyrics
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these lyrics remind me of when i saw peter paul and mary sing this song at
my very first concert when i was 8 years old. very cool. it was my
favorite, and i sang the chorus all the way home. thank god we still have
pp&m touring (some of the grandaddies and mommies of folk!) thanks for the
memory :)

lurv emily

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subject:      you know you're obsessed...

> when in geometry class, you name all the angles of a triangle r-o-p,
> n-i-s, and m-a-p and refuse to name them any differently.

ooh, you forgot the most obvious tangent from this -- when you refer to
the new album by name 6+ months before it's released and you already know
the lyrics to a good majority of the songs that will be on it. =)

kristina

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subject:      t-shirt inquiries

in a message dated 96-10-23 04:17:38 edt, you write:

<<
i know how y'all hate "me too's" but i can't see any other way to find out
if there are any extra t-shirts floating around.  i joined the list in the
midst of the t-shirt ordering, & i didn't order one at the time.  but if
there's any way we can get them now, let me know!!!
  >>

can whoever knows info on this post to the list so people like us can stop
the "me toos."  i joined as y'all were ordering too.  i just figured i had
missed out, but if there's still a possibility, i'm interested.

amy

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subject:      christmas for a&e!

you know this 12 days is coming along beautifully...
it occurred to me, we should record it for a&e!  get some list gathering
together, record the 12 days, write some other winter celebration
songs...a chanukah song, a solstice song (is the winter solstice
celebrated?), some other songs, include some holiday greeting msgs and
donate some money to hte for them for christmas.

i dunno, it just sounded fun...do you think russell would give it to them,
or would we have to count on a listee who hooks up with them occasionally?

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subject:      drivin' with the girls

does anyone else have this experience?...i started out as an ig fan cuz
they make such great driving music (many moons ago this was...) and i
noticed yesterday while driving, listening to newport (thanks sundara!!)
and realizing that i've gotta have emily's sad slow stuff when it's gray
and rainy out (364 days a year in seattle!), and i've gotta have amy
rockin out when it's sunny out.  when it's dark and rainy i need
amy...like 3 hits, cneter stage...daytime gray rain needs river, or now,
winthrop ("man, that's a sad song...")...all summer it's rockin in the
free world, jokin', now shame on you...in the spring i must hear nis over
and over, especially watershed and world falls.  does this hold true with
others out there?

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on thu, 24 oct 1996, shanna freeman wrote:

> i know how you feel...i'm 5'11". i usually have to wear men's pants to get
> them long enough to where i like 'em, but sometimes can find women's that
> fit if they're 'tall'.

hey!  i'm 5'11" too! not many of us around are there?  i've discovered
that levi's 501's (none of the other styles) come in a 34" inseam, and
lerner new york (it's a clothing store.  don't know if you have them
wherever you are) also has jeans that long. i keep holding out for things
like dress slacks that really fit, but no luck.  :(

                                        charter member gentle giant's assoc.
                                        tuesday's child

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              "kristina" at oct 24, 96 03:53:42 pm

i can top that, try hearing two of the swamp ophelia songs 18 months before
the album release and 3 months before amy played it publically.


...you had tapes of the versions of the songs that appeared on 1200 curfews
and you have sneaky suspisicion that one of your tapes is lower gen than the
master tapes.

...4/12/64 is sigificant cus your older sister was born that day, but you
feel more compelled to send amy a card.

...your mother makes you choose between newport '96 or getting $$ to go to
atlanta, then hampton is annouced and your mom is speechless.

...your mom gives you money anyway telling you not to buy "a 100 dollar
record"

...you ask for an ticket to complete a run of shows for your birthday gift,
your mom buys them then asks "why are you going to boston when they are
playing a block from our house?"

...you went nuts and bought tixs to your first show , which was in rhode
island and you figure your mom is definitely going to bitch at you. you go
home and your mom and (future) stepdad tell they are getting married in 4
days. somehow you only wish you asked for a porche because your mom was in
such a good mood.

...you tell your mom you will be at a gathering of supportive friends when
you tell her you are going to go right back up to school after your best
friends funeral (she was in iowa). the gathering of friends just happened to
be a ig concert.

..you have been to many of the places mentioned in the decantur tourguide
posted earlier this week, but your not sure how many, or where they are,
because you couldn't even call a cab correctly 8^)

...you plan your next trip to atlanta before you even get on the airplane to
head home.


there are more, i will stop now though

mike r.

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subject:      a & e's hair

just my 2 cents. i loved amy's hair long like it was in all the pix on
the botby liner.  and i think emily is adorable with short hair.  but
then again, isn't she always?  ;)

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subject:      a & e on sesame street (i wish!)

now this is random, but i was just thinking about how on sesame street, they
always used to have celebs star in short spots with oscar the grouch or big
bird, etc. and wouldn't it be cool if amy and emily got on! for some reason
i want to see amy as a star character in the "teeny little super guy"
sketches. (you know, the little guy who was plastered to the front of a cup
and lived in a kitchen :) well, i think they'd be adorable, but this all may
be due to the fact that i've had the "teeny little super guy" song in my
head all day long!!!!

"teeny little super guy! he'll appear before your eyes, he's just a teeny
little   super guy, yeah!"

:) abigail

"i will not be....

a pawn" ~emily saliers

afraid of women" ~dar williams

complacent!!!" ~amy ray

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subject:      reverse 1 live

i'm looking to trade for a copy of reverse 1 live.  any takers, i'll send
you my list.

mary  :)

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subject:      re: twelve indigo days of christmas

okay...this was a fun one.  here are my votes....

one extreme for the other (nothing in between)           cmg
two stories above the street
3a.m. (stopped by a bar)
four years prostrate to the higher mind
five miles out of the city limit
table set for six
7 raging cycles, or seven temporary absentees
8 hundred miles to el paso
9 fatal flowers
10 dollar raise
11 leaping men (he asked my why...)
12 warriors raging

other ideas...(this was a good time consumer)

123 (nothings for free) or one offering of love or one problem child
two flights up or two of the same to live or two day suitcase
three ghosts of comfort
four glasses (half full or empty?)
and a faaaammmliy of fivvvvve..
eight greener pastures
nine skipping stones
ten walking shoes or ten years (the package of the next unfolding)
eleven feathered arms
twelve keys to heaven's gate or 12 babybabybaby's (cause its a good word...baby)

...kissing the damned...
greta

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subject:      popular cilture class

thanks to all those who sent me opinions about common criticisms of
popular culture and how the music of ig debunks some of the myths
about the distinctions between "popular culture" and "high culture."
they helped me structure class discussion.
    having discovered ig fairly recently, i am only beginning to
learn about the relationship between the educational experiences of
emily and amy and their music.  what are the primary literary,
artistic, and philosophical  works/traditions that inform their
songwriting?  it appears that references are made to woolf, tennyson,
and religious writings, for example.   are there reviews, articles, or
even books that discuss these influences in more depth?

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reply-to:     tracy - at new email address! <clumber@halcyon.com>
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subject:      12 ig's of christmas

what about:
        12 baby baby baby baby baby babies.... ?


ala' live at the uptown.... a good word... baby.

tracy

"my life is an exercise in inertia"
        -- my buddy sharoane, september 1996

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subject:      what i love about the ig...

a blissful reminder!  i was attempting to write a government paper (still am,
theoretically...naturally the first step in any paper is to post to the list,
right? :) listening to swamp ophelia on shuffle, and power of two came on.
and i was reminded how cool it is that ig songs don't have any strong memory
attached to them that block out all else.  like, i like letters to cleo a lot
but now i don't like to listen to them because it brings back a huge flood of
last winter, and i'd just rather not remember that.  but ig, although their
songs remind me of events, times in my life, they're always open to accepting
new meanings.  every time is different and means something new.  doesn't that
rock?  they're the only music that does that for me.  and this has been in my
head for months and i'm just now posting it...because i have to write that
paper, of course :)
thanks, y'all :)
katy (katy of the head of rabbits :)

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you wrote:
>
>does anyone else have this experience?...i started out as an ig fan
cuz
>they make such great driving music

i agree they make terrific driving music.  the very first road tape i
ever made was my favorite ig songs, and i am a fair way to wearing it
out.  i also agree that certain ig songs are necessary for certain
moods.  i particularly look for inspiration in my job (in environmental
stuff) from songs like world falls and hammer and a nail (which-not
coincidentally-appear in that order on my road tape.

anyone up for comparing favorite road tapes?  mine (on a 100 minute
tape) goes like this:

    a                               b
strange fire                closer to fine
1,2,3                       secure yourself
uncle john's band           galileo
   (closet deadhead)        joking
kid fears                   fugitive
all along the watchtower    prince of darkness
welcome me                  chickenman
world falls                 three hits
hammer and a nail           romeo & juliet
land of canaan              this train revised

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subject:      re: christmas for a&e!

hello all    :)

yes winter solstice is celebrated *smiles*

if we did make a recording i might be able to get it to emily....i know a
mutual friend

mel g.


at 12:21 pm 10/24/96 -0700, you wrote:
>you know this 12 days is coming along beautifully...
>it occurred to me, we should record it for a&e!  get some list gathering
>together, record the 12 days, write some other winter celebration
>songs...a chanukah song, a solstice song (is the winter solstice
>celebrated?), some other songs, include some holiday greeting msgs and
>donate some money to hte for them for christmas.
>
>i dunno, it just sounded fun...do you think russell would give it to them,
>or would we have to count on a listee who hooks up with them occasionally?
>

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subject:      a & e's hair

amy....long hair
emily......long hair


*smiles*
mel g.

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hello again from way down here.
seeing as the current hot topic appears to be christmas, i thought i'd
have my input and crap on about xmas in brisbane, my current city.
why is it that as soon as supermarkets take down the promotional stuff for
fathers day (1st sunday in sept. here in oz.) they begin putting up xmas
shite?? i kid you not, during the last week of september, my local
supermarket was selling tinsel, fake plastic trees, hell, you name it.
then, around mid-october, the big department stores bombard us all with
nativity scenes etc. etc..i plead "enough!" but no-one listens.
do you (yes, you) experience similar problems in the northern hemisphere,
or are we alone? just curious.
i ask for private responses as i'm about to un-sub from the list..
you-knee finishes very soon for me, and i'm hoping to study and not
venture into uni much unless its for an exam...
hope that new ig material is out in the new year..wouldn't that be nice...

duck this next one but
"have yourself a very brady christmas" y'all

adieu,
paris............

before i forget, here's a very bad response to the "12 days of ig" thingy.

on the 7th day of xmas,
7 solar eclipses..

i know it's bad, but i've virginia woolf on the brain okay!!

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"tv....where staight teeth in
your mouth are more important
than the words that come out
of it."

-'television, the drug of
the nation'
disposable heroes of hiphoprosy
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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in a message dated 96-10-24 19:51:47 edt, abaroo@execpc.com (abigail) writes:

> now this is random, but i was just thinking about how on sesame street,
they
>  always used to have celebs star in short spots with oscar the grouch or
big
>  bird, etc. and wouldn't it be cool if amy and emily got on! for some
reason
>  i want to see amy as a star character in the "teeny little super guy"
>  sketches. (you know, the little guy who was plastered to the front of a
cup
>  and lived in a kitchen :) well, i think they'd be adorable, but this all
may
>  be due to the fact that i've had the "teeny little super guy" song in my
>  head all day long!!!!
>

or, sesame street has been known to have puppets that are supposed to
represent famous people, like they had an opera singer bird named placido
flamingo.  they should make two puppets, one is a strawberry with emily-hair
(long, of course ;) and the other is a bowl of black beans and rice with
amy-hair (again, long) and they should play guitars and lead all the fruit
and vegetables and grains that are in the kitchen in a shiny, happy rendition
of power of food, explaining all about the benefits of eating these foods:

(to the tune of power of two chorus)
so we're ok, we're great,
because it was healthy food we ate,
chase all the bad foods away,
be stronger with the veggies, fruits and grains every day,
smarter for your liver, blood and heart,
if you haven't done it yet it's easy to start,
adding vitamins and minerals to you,
multiply health with the power of food!

and there can also be some puppet animals joining in at the end, like a cow
and some dogs and rabbits....

-sheri :)

\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\

  _       _ ------ _               o      |....when you learn
{  ~\_/         o   \    o  o           |to love yourself
{  ~ _   ]          <  o                 |you will dissolve
{_~/  \ _        _ /                    | all the stones
             v-----                        | that are cast....
   seaphish@aol.com                -amy ray
/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/

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i definitely agree that it makes no difference whatsoever that the girls
have short hair.  or long hair regardless.  when i listen to the music,
all i picture is their beautiful voices and amazing lyrics.  that's about
the only thing.  screw hair.  that's not important at all.  no offense,
girls.

stacey

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subject:      nearly igc!!  my quip for the day

happy to report that i am still well grounded today...

anyway, about hair:  i like amy's on her head and think that emily needs
a new do completely.  or else a trip out of 80s southern dykedom would
probably do the trick (how passe!).

about sesame street--its creator went to my school (mount holyoke college)!!!
but, then again, so did 5 of 7 women on stamps, the woman who made all of
the macintosh system icons and the creator of wonder woman.  sorry--i'm
feeling.. umm.. matriotic today.

margaret

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"i forgot the name
i took a shot on the chin
i'm rearranging my game
tell by the shape i'm in

in line of fire, you know what to say
they gave us no choices, just one shade of grey
my legs keep movin', i don't seem to stray
but i know each step we take, they're one step away"
- aerosmith, combination.


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hi all.
well, i'm writing to you again, about my home page. i think that most of
you already visited it -> http://www.geocities.com/paris/1612
but just for the ones that didn't visited it just yet-i dedicated my
page to peace and love, and i'm collecting people's name and email
address, that supports peace. i hope to reach 10,000 people by 1999 (the
year i'll have to join the army) but i think that in this rate i'll only
get too 2000 (and that's too-in the best case).
friends, i need your help-please if you didn't do it yet-go visit my
page, and email me about adding your name to the peace board. and also
fwd this email to your friends, i know people don't like chain letters,
and sorry for starting one, but it means a lot to me, and i hope you
will help.
and if i didn't say it already-happy new year (the hebrew year just
started few days ago),
thankyou,and please fwd this massage to your friends.
tom.

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>lat night, after listening to ani for a few hours (i'm psyching myself up
>for her concert next month!), my roommate said, "ummmm, do you think we
>could listen to some ig now?"  <g>  it was so funny to hear her asking for
>ig.  she had never even heard of them before she met me, we listen to them
>all the time now, & when i turn on something else for a little while, she
>asks for them again!  i find that really humorous...
>
>btw, i did change the music to ig!
>
>andi

funny, all my roomate ever wants to listen to is gangsta rap. as much as i
loathe living on a guys floor (me being a guy it isn't unusual still
musical tastes vary, but are mostly pearl jam and some stuff that sounds
like a recording without any treble whatsoever). this doesn't prevent me
from waking up every morning with 200 watts of indigo girls, though. i
really don't care what they want to hear. actually, i do. i've played ig
for a few of them, and most have never heard them. one kind of likes them.
but i've already loaned my 1200 curfews cds to two girls two stories below,
so i'm making some friends in this strange college environment/hovel of
mine...

pacem in terris,
jason

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subject:      re: my roommate's request for ig

hi all!
i'm kinda in the same boat.  while in high school, i knew two people who
listened to ig avidly.  one of them introduced me to ig and introduced the
other to them as well.  since i've been at college i've gotten both my
suitemates to request ig on occasions.  both had never heard of ig before i
introduced them.  i don't know it just feels good to return the favor that
i was given.  when i was introduced to ig i didn't think a damn thing about
it, but now i realize that it is almost understood that i return the favor
by passing it on to others.  i also would like to say that ig was almost
instantly one of my favorite driving musical groups and i agree with how
the ig are not a type of music that applies to one and only one situation.
it changes and begins to take on new identities as i grow and go through
new situations.  i seem to find at least one song that seems to apply
itself to various daily situations.
keep on groovin',
ryan
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love that's true,
multiply life by the
power of two."
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subject:      re: a&e christmas!

on 24 oct. 1996 gwendigo wrote------

>> write some other winter celebration
songs...a chanukah song, a solstice song (is the winter solstice
celebrated?)<<

winter solstice is celebrated on/about december 21st by followers of
celtic/wiccan/pagan religions.

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subject:      for the guitarists out there!

i pulled this from a guitar newsgroup.

rob

-------

a number of new sites have come online, particularly in the states.

a version of olga *updated* to the end of september is now being made
available at some of the sites listed below.
i'm not certain which ones, and don't want to list the ones i do know of,
as they will be swamped. go to a site, check when it was last updated.
if it says october, bingo.


the olga web page
http://www.olga.net/

olga sites

in the united states
http://uts.cc.utexas.edu/~wonsup/guitar/
http://ccwf.cc.utexas.edu/~wonsup/guitar/
ftp://ftp.uu.net/doc/music/guitar/
http://olga.scranton.com:2222
http://www.lsds.com/music/archives.shtml
http://bubblegum.uark.edu/olga/
http://www.erols.com/murple/music/guitar.html
ftp://osiris.fwi.com/pub/music/
http://www.davesasylum.com/guitar/guitarindex.htm
ftp://woody.res.cmu.edu:/pub/olga/

in europe
http://www.vol.it/mirror4/en/olga/
ftp://ftp.cosy.sbg.ac.at/pub/mirror/guitar/
ftp://ftp.leo.org/pub/rec/music/guitar/songs/olga/
ftp://ftp.informatik.tu-muenchen.de/pub/rec/music/guitar/songs/olga/
ftp://ftp.uni-paderborn.de/doc/guitar/
ftp://ftp.ci.ua.pt/pub/music/guitar/other/
http://ftp.ua.pt/music/guitar/other/
http://capella.ae.poznan.pl/ftp/music/src/src.html
ftp://ftp.ae.poznan.pl/pub/music/src
ftp://avalon.irb.hr/pub/guitar/winolga/         (contains the winolga files)
http://alpha.math.msu.su:8000/music/olga/

ftp://ftp.rbit.co.za/pub/olga                           (south africa)

search engines:
http://harmony-central.mit.edu/guitar/tab.html
http://ftp.ua.pt/cgi-bin/ftp/mkopcoes_nd?area=-music-guitar-other&title=olga
http://www.leo.org/cgi-bin/music_index
http://www.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/cgi-bin/search

the bass archive:
http://law47282.law.cwru.edu/bta/

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subject:      xmas song

at the end of my copy  of color me grey there is a  song called in the
bleak midwinter  which emily ( i think) introduces and says they'd like
to dedicate to their parents at xmas...anyone know where this recording
is from???

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subject:      tabs for american tune?

does anyone have tabs to american tune?  i know it because i have the
"blood and fire" tape, but it's a cappella, and i can't sing that well.  i
am not completely proficient on guitar, so i can't even figure anything
out...any comments or help out there?

i wish i were a trinity
so if i lost a part of me
i'd still have two of the same to live

-emily saliers

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here's my song list for my ig road tape :)

a.
closer to fine
secure yourself
kid fears
blood and fire
land of canaan
strange fire
hey jesus
get together
hammer and a nail
1 2 3
watershed
galileo
ghost
joking

b.
jonas and ezekial
love will come to you
least complicated
language or the kiss
touch me fall
the wood song
this train revised
all along the watchtower
the girl with the weight of the world...


well, that's mine! :)

jen

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> at the end of my copy  of color me grey there is a  song called in the
> bleak midwinter  which emily ( i think) introduces and says they'd like
> to dedicate to their parents at xmas...anyone know where this recording
> is from???

i know sarah brightman did a version of this song on the save the
children cd i mentioned in an earlier post.

:) jen

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subject:      re: xmas song
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              "tritessa" at oct 25, 96 8:16 am

fun holiday season cover: a&e do "the christians and the pagans" by
dar williams.  heck, why not let dar join them on it... and maybe
throw in joan baez too. =)  damn i wish i was at the bread and roses
show -- does anyone know how much tickets were?

from the traditional files, a&e doing harmony on "angels we heard on
high" would be incredible.  honorable mention to "o holy night".

and finally, from the "picture that!" department, ani difranco doing
most any traditional carol.  if you thought "amazing grace" was a cool
stylization, imagine "o come all ye faithful"....

                        -- chris

  "christmas is like solstice and we miss you and its been a while"

                        -d. williams

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date:         fri, 25 oct 1996 06:40:25 -0700
reply-to:     "kim: goddess in her own reality" <rcn@prcn.org>
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from:         "kim: goddess in her own reality" <rcn@prcn.org>
subject:      re: drivin' with the girls

hey y'all
here's the song list for my ig road tape :)
land of caanan
<sounds of tape rewinding>
land of caanan
<sounds of tape rewinding>
land of caanan
"mooooommmmm!!!!! not again!!!! <sounds of kids in back seat>
ghost
<sound of tape rewinding>
ghost
<sound of tape rewinding>
ghost
mmmoooommmmm!!!!! arrrggghhh!!!!! <sounds of kids in back seat>
the language or the kiss
<sound of tape rewinding>
the language or the kiss....
well... you get the picture:-)...
peace all...
kim ( who's kids know every ig song frontwards and backwards, cause we do a
*lot* of driving:) )
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
      <just kim>rcn@prcn.org
"i'm running with scissors!!!!!!!"
---------------justkim---------------
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>

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date:         fri, 25 oct 1996 06:49:50 -0700
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from:         david perham <dperham@bbn.com>
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subject:      xmas covers thread

> i think if we were to have a thread on the ultimate ig christmas
> songs, i would contribute this:


i will delurk just long enough to contribute to this thread.
my favorite "holiday" song is 2000 miles, by the pretenders.  the
concept of ig covering this tune is intriguing, to say the least.


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date:         fri, 25 oct 1996 11:37:18 -0400
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subject:      strange places we hear

hi y'all!
just another story about strange places we hear ig.  well, not really
a&e themselves but not musak either.  it was my first year at
college, third night, etc.  i was feeling pretty miserable since i
didn't know anyone and my roommates were already turning out to be
psychos.  there was this fountain on campus that i decided to go down
and sit by for a while, to get away and think.  that didn't last
long, though, a bunch of pretty loud and obnoxious people came down,
beer cans and all.  i was about to leave when one of the guys ran
over and set a beer down next to me.  i knew it was an
invitation to join them but i was still feeling sorry for myself (boo
hoo) so i lingered where i was for a few minutes more.  suddenly the
sweet sounds of acapella singing rose up from them and i froze.  the
words of closer to fine hit me full force and i found myself
splashing through really disgusting water to join in the song.  we
sang it all the way through at the top of our lungs, harmony and
melody included - it was absolutely great!  being a freshman didn't seem so bad after that...
c-ya
a new kim

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from:         "lisa lewis (excell data corporation)" <v-lisal@microsoft.com>
subject:      drivin' with the girls

i agree gwen! i am hooked on color me gray from early years collection
on those dark and rainy mornings...and since i have to do the 520
commute mini ig concerts in the car keep me sane!

i am really enjoying the 12 days of xmas...y'all are so clever!

here's my .02... 10...calling you from 10,000 miles away

peace and happy indigoing

lisa

who finally gets to visit the promised land of atlanta next month.
>yahooooooo
>
>gwendigo wrote....does anyone else have this experience?...i started out as
>an ig fan cuz
>>they make such great driving music (many moons ago this was...) and i
>>noticed yesterday while driving, listening to newport (thanks sundara!!)
>>and realizing that i've gotta have emily's sad slow stuff when it's gray
>>and rainy out (364 days a year in seattle!), and i've gotta have amy
>>rockin out when it's sunny out.  when it's dark and rainy i need
>>amy...like 3 hits, cneter stage...daytime gray rain needs river, or now,
>>winthrop ("man, that's a sad song...")...all summer it's rockin in the
>>free world, jokin', now shame on you...in the spring i must hear nis over
>>and over, especially watershed and world falls.  does this hold true with
>>others out there?

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subject:      merril bainbridge-nigc

hi guys and gals!

anyone ever heard of merril bainbridge?  i happened to catch her on a
really bad morning talk show in detroit, loved loved loved her.  she's
australian, and apparently just beginning to make it in the us.  anyone
know anything?  cds available?  quality?

please please please please respond privately.  i will not be blamed for
another list-war about bandwidth and nigc postings.  if there seems to be
a general list-wide interest, i'll post what i find out.

wanting both of them bald,
chris ii

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subject:      re: completely nigc
x-to:         tuesday's child <dc3545@cnsvax.albany.edu>

:laughs at the gentle giant's assoc. i guess i need to get some levi's
501s. and yeah, there is a lerner new york around here. thanks for the
info, and keep looking for those tall womyn's clothing stores. :)

shanna

at  7:24 pm 10/24/96 -0500, tuesday's child wrote:

>hey!  i'm 5'11" too! not many of us around are there?  i've discovered
>that levi's 501's (none of the other styles) come in a 34" inseam, and
>lerner new york (it's a clothing store.  don't know if you have them
>wherever you are) also has jeans that long. i keep holding out for things
>like dress slacks that really fit, but no luck.  :(
>
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>                                        tuesday's child

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reply-to:     kristina <andrade@az.com>
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from:         kristina <andrade@az.com>
subject:      re: drivin' with the girls

that's so funny kim cause i was gonna say my ideal ig road trip tape
would have chickenman on it, repeatedly. :)

which reminds me of the time my friend's mom really liked that whitesnake
song "here i go again" so my friend made a tape that had that song on it
over and over and over and labelled it "momma moe's greatest hit" (er,
that's what we called her -- momma moe, not momma moe's greatest hit.) and
her mom actually listened to it in the car a lot.

ok, how many of you hate me for making you even think about that song
let alone getting it stuck in your head. :)

runs to put an ig cd in to erase that song from her memory, ugh...
kristina

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subject:      bounce on pine

earlier in the week i made the comment that mail could be "bounced" to
another user in pine by pressing the "b" button.   what this does is to
re-direct the message, preserving the original "from" and adding your address
as a "re-sender" further down the header.   (as a result, yamamoto would
have received several copies of her (?) own message, apparently from
herself!)   i didn't realise that this is a very recent addition, and have
received several emails from people telling me that their version of pine
doesn't support it.   the version of pine i use is version 3.93 on a dec osf
unix platform.   this may not work for everyone, but i don't know how to get
more recent versions of pine (there should be a newer one out now).

hope this helps.

mat

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date:         fri, 25 oct 1996 10:36:14 -0700
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subject:      re: xmas song
x-to:         pat chaney <pooh40@mc.net>
in-reply-to:  <3270c6de.f4e@mc.net>

ooooh, really?  that is my favorite christmas hymnn!  christina rosetti
wrote the lyrics. lemme check my copy to see if it's there...(i just got
mine...)

on fri, 25 oct 1996, pat chaney wrote:

> at the end of my copy  of color me grey there is a  song called in the
> bleak midwinter  which emily ( i think) introduces and says they'd like
> to dedicate to their parents at xmas...anyone know where this recording
> is from???
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subject:      bounce command

to whoever mentioned the bounce comamnd i have it now here is what you
have to do (in case soem folks are wondering) go to congfigure pine from
pine main menu choose configure then just put a x at enable bounce command

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subject:      ig for christmas

amy and emily taking turns leading "little drummer boy" (i can't remember if
that's what it's called)

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subject:      re: the screechy bumbershoot woman

this woman has blown out one of the speakers in my car....


jeni
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the manipulation of advertising , yet still buy the product" - arthur kroker
in data trash

welcome to the plateau of cynicism.

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subject:      re: ig x-mass greetings/bleak midwinter

at 11:35 am 10/24/96 -0400, someone wrote:

>actually, there is something xmas related that ig have done.  there's a
>promo cd single out there of "get together" that has a short "holiday
>greeting" by a&e at the beginning...


this actually makes a nifty little holiday answering machine message.
the disc has three tracks, hoilday greetings, the get together single
and then the two sort of combined fading into one another.

the greeting is as follows:

"hi i'm emily and i'm amy, were the indigo girls and we're wishing
you seasons greetings.  but we'd also like to remind everybody that
there are alot of people out there less fortunate than we all are and
we're talking about the homeless.  so lets get together this holiday
season and help people out who are less fortunate than we are.
thank you."

many will remember that royalties from the get together single went
to habitat for humanity which helps people build homes for themselves.

as far as "in the bleak midwinter" that is from 1990.  they made a tv
appearance on the arts & entertainment network and dedicated that song
to their parents as being one of their favorites.

michael  :-)

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from:         nelson mcwhorter <mcwhorte@mc.edu>
subject:      get your flames ready, but i feel like this needs to be said.

        look, i know that i'm just a dense ignorant heterosexual male
with only enough blood for one of my heads, but i try my darndest to love
everyone no matter what lifestyle they choose or are bound to.  i have
been noticing lately that a lot of the postings are getting to be
ridiculously blatent about homosexuality.  now i don't have any problem
with homosexuals, in fact i'd rather that not be an issue, but with
comments like the one about someones rendition of "goddess bless ye merry
dykewimmen"  that just kind of hurts.  i feel like i'm going to be looked
upon differently 'cause i'm not a lesbian feminist.  yes, i understand
the humor and i'm really not as much of a stickler as this post seems,
but i'd like to think that all the fans of ig can live without having to
cover insecurities about such issues like butch/femme stuff...can't we
just like the hairstyle or not....someone make me feel better about this
please.  there's realy no way for me to really say how i feel i guess.
i hope that the replies won't be flames but encouraging...i don't really
want to anger anyone, but just arouse some thinking.

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subject:      driving music

on the subject mentiones above...every time i make the 3 hour drive home
from school to birmingham (by the way...are there any list members from
there?) i listen to three of the following: nis, rop, so, 1200-1, 1200-2
by the time the third album is done i'm home and it doesn't even seem
like i've been driving, just enjoying the music like at a concert which
i've never been to :(...

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subject:      color me grey

so..there seems to be a couple versions around..i forget who
copied the new orleons jazz this year  for  cancers but,,your copy
sounded as though it camre straight from the sound board..but only had 6
cuts..then i got another copy that had 12 cuts but it was a not so great
edition..is there a really really good  tape out there?
also..whats the latest on emilys' solo tape??anyone???( i'm gonna hold my
breath and stamp my feet ( and i have big feet) till iget a copy soooo if
anyone can help me out please let me know..
while were on it..does anyone have a live version of  :
what was really me  by emily???

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subject:      hte/ig merchandise

hi all.  my name is russ from the hoor th earth campaign--we are clearing out
some inventory and have the following items at greatly reduced prices:

1.  1995 tour shirts
    a.  swamp ophelia album cover on natural $5 ea plus $2.50 s/h
    b.  black rock art shirt w/4 color back  $7.50 ea plus $2.50 s/h
    both these shirts come in large and xl and are 100% cotton

2.  1992 earth day merch
    a.  90% cotton superheavywieght ash sweatshirt w/4-color graphic
        on front --ig lists  ed on back   $10 plus $2.50 s/h avaqilable
              in meduim , large, xl
    b.  above in natural tee $5 ea plus $2.50 s/h--in med; lage & small

also, if anyone needs honor the earth information let me know where i should send it.  check out our website at hoor    honorearth.com

and call your fabv  favorite radio stations and request that they play the
honor cd any song (probably blood quantum)

thanks for all your help--you can e-mail me at russ@dexmn.com or call at
1-800-earth07 or fax at 612-221-9022 or mail address is honor the earth
p.o. box 75423, st. paul, mn 55101

make all checks out to omi for the above closeout merchandise--any donations
or current merchandise make checks out to honor the earth campaign.
peace, russ

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in-reply-to:  <mailqueue-101.961025113718.480@psych1.psy.sunysb.edu>

i have to know this...and there is no way that this will come out the
right way, so please bear with me...

        has anyone used ig as a way to pick up on someone else???

        i met this woman last semester and i suspected she might be
gay...so i just mentioned that for my birthday (back in may), i was going
to see the indigo girls in concert in neworleans.

        boom!  she loves the indigo girls.  we start yabbin' and yabbin'
about how great they are in concert and blah blah blah.

        so i've been trying to (really bad word coming up...) "flirt"
with her for months on end and today, i let her borrow my "history of us"
and "in with the out crowd" cd in addition to my copy of the disney
special they showed (wow!) one year ago...the sacred ig items in my
collection (and just short of giving her emily's guitar pick that my
roommate caught at the laguna seca festival last year...).

        please don't misconstrue my thoughts for today, i'm not saying all
ig fans are gay.  and i'm not saying that all gay folks like the indigo
girls.  that's just an insult to the fans or either (and other assorted)
orientations, in addition to insulting the work of emily saliers and amy
ray.

  but it just seems to be a good ice breaker in my personal life.  take
for example this list and how much we can talk about the music of amy and
emily and how it never gets old....i'm not sure if it's just good small
talk or if emily and amy just have way more interesting lives than the
rest of us regular folks...:)

        damnit!! our first date could've been the bread and roses show!!! ;p

        never mind how far ahead i'm jumping on the personal level (as i
always do, although i'm convinced that this woman is taken...), i'm just
seeing if anybody else is as hokey (or flirtatious?) as i am...

        am i going about this all wrong???

banging my head against a brick wall if this woman loses my ig stuff,
teri

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date:         fri, 25 oct 1996 15:48:43 -0700
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x-to:         nelson mcwhorter <mcwhorte@mc.edu>
in-reply-to:  <pine.hpp.3.91.961025160112.7737a-100000@csc.mc.edu>

right on......if we want to get rid of stereotypes we have to stop using
them ourselves!
ben

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subject:      things to get ig for xmas

amy may need some new strings for the tour next year ....

did ya notice she's playing a lot of electric guitar on this new stuff - she
doesn't strum as hard - therefore breaking less strings ..........

of course - emily doesn't need any strings - she's only broken 3 in her whole
career ... we'll just chip in and get her some new instrument to learn ...

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from:         sundara <smurphy@ups.edu>
subject:      re: purple princess gets her paper and is free! (nigc)

hey everyone!!!  thank you so much to everyone who sent me little
congratulations notes for my graduation :)!!!  you all made my day!!!  i
feel so loved!

thank you thank you thank you!!!!!


and i love you all!!!  :)

peace, love, and purple,
the one and only...sundarling!

"nobody puts baby in the corner..."

                patrick swayze

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date:         fri, 25 oct 1996 16:33:30 -0800
reply-to:     sundara <smurphy@ups.edu>
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from:         sundara <smurphy@ups.edu>
subject:      re: driving music

aaaahhhh!!!! this thread sucks!!!  not because i don't like listening to ig
in the car,  it was all i listened to, except yoko the subaru's tape player
broke last week, and i'm sooooooooooooooo  depressed about it.  now i have
to listen to the stupid radio, which i hate.  i wanna listen to amy and
emily.  i just wanted to whine and complain to someone,  thanks, i feel
slightly better.  :)

peace, love, and purple,
the one and only...sundarling!

"nobody puts baby in the corner..."

                patrick swayze

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date:         wed, 25 oct 1995 16:45:19 -0800
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subject:      re: get your flames ready, but i feel like this needs to be said.
x-to:         verdi@imap2.asu.edu

verdi@imap2.asu.edu wrote:
>
> right on......if we want to get rid of stereotypes we have to stop using
> them ourselves!
> ben

ohhhhh, i can tell this is gunna be a hard one to hold back on.  first
off, i want to take a rather hard feminist standpoint on the fact that
we have two men wanting to control what women do.  enough said.
second,  we live in an imperfect society that makes us use labels.  as
much as we want to get away from our little boxes, we will have a hard
time doing so.  until then, using negative stereotypical phrasing on
each other in a positive way (i.e., dyke) is the only avenue currently
open to take power away from those who wish harm on us. third, if i
gotta see heterosexual programming in everyday life, then you gotta
tolerate homosexual expressiveness.

if anyone has a solution instead of a complaint, or "awareness raiser",
please speak-up.  until you do, deal with it as we do.

i am proud to be out where ever i am, on any medium!

kris vockler
dyke!

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date:         fri, 25 oct 1996 20:47:59 -0700
reply-to:     ralph ryan <sgmpaws@cfanet.com>
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from:         ralph ryan <sgmpaws@cfanet.com>
subject:      (nigc) get your flames ready
x-to:         nelson mcwhorter <mcwhorte@mc.edu>

nelson mcwhorter wrote:
>
> look, i know that i'm just a dense ignorant heterosexual male with only enough blood for
>one of my heads, but i try my darndest to love everyone no matter what lifestyle they choose
>or are bound to.

nelson, with this as your opening line, i really don't get the impression that you just want
to "arouse some thinking." i get the impression that you are offended by the sig that you are
referring to. if you are, then say so and not beat around the bush. sarcasm does not work on
the 'net, or in most written circumstances.

> i have been noticing lately that a lot of the postings are getting to be
> ridiculously blatent about homosexuality. now i don't have any problem
> with homosexuals, in fact i'd rather that not be an issue

i have not noticed "ridiculously blatant posts about homosexuality." perhaps you should
define ridiculously blatant. i have seen only one ridiculously blatant subject on this list
and it is the inidigo girls. that's what i signed-up for.

if you do not have a problem with homosexuality, why are you bringing it up? this is the
subject that you are obstensively discussing, isn't it?

> but with comments like the one about someones rendition of "goddess bless ye merry
>dykewimmen"  that just kind of hurts.

why does it hurt you? all that was done was the removal of the patriarchal references and
substitution of matriarchal words. do you prefer the sexist male version of the song? i
thought it was a great comment. you claim to get the humor, yet you write that it hurts you.
a more salient question is how does that have anything to do with ridiculously blatant
homosexuality? i think dykewimmin is better than the patriarchal gentlewomen.

my feelings are that you were more offended by the goddess part than the dykewimmen. with
your comments earlier, i sense that this is more driven by religious objections than just
being uncomfortable with referrences to homosexuality.

>  i feel like i'm going to be looked upon differently 'cause i'm not a lesbian feminist.

well, you might be correct. writing this message puts you on-track towards a self-fulfilling
prophesy. it won't be because you are not a lesbian feminist, it will be because you are
attempting to restrict the message content to your standards of propriety. that never gets
you high popularity awards.

> but i'd like to think that all the fans of ig can live without having to
> cover insecurities about such issues like butch/femme stuff

insecurities? man, you are not planning on getting a positive response, are you? (this is a
rhetorical question, because it is painfully obvious what you are attempting to do.) there is
no hope for this "appeal to our higher mental facilities." you do not even do a good job of
attempting to sound like you do not find lesbians or homosexuals to be objectionable.

...can't we just like the hairstyle or not....someone make me feel better about this please.
there's realy no way for me to really say how i feel i guess.

i think that you are incorrect about not being able to write how you feel. you want to "feel
better about this", yet you want everyone on the list to moderate what they want to write
about on it to accomplish this goal. if they feel that a comment about butch, femme,
grapenuts or maxell points is appropriate, then they should feel free to do so. the last time
i checked, the internet was a place for free exchange of ideas. incidentaly, there is nothing
that has been posted that violates any of the ground rules that were sent to you when you
signed-up for the list. you did read those messages, didn't you?

> i hope that the replies won't be flames but encouraging...i don't really
> want to anger anyone, but just arouse some thinking.

you don't really want to anger anyone? is this as opposed to just angering anyone? i fail to
see how you could hope not to really anger anyone. you want list members to edit their
messages so that you will feel good and not be bothered by subjects that you are
uncomfortable with.

i recommend that you try to explore that idea of free speech and free exchange of ideas. if
you are having trouble with the list as it is, then i will recommend that you try the
unsubscibe command to the listserv address.

i also would recommend that you use the commonly agreed upon acronym nigc to preface your
message title. that is considered to be polite to do so.

ralph

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from:         lisa anderson <cancerlili@aol.com>
subject:      a trade

hey y'all
i am kind of new to this list. i do not own any indigo girls boots. i was
wondering if anyone would like to trade an ig boot for a jackopierce boot. if
this interests anyone please reply.
thanks y'all
nub,
lisa

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subject:      nigc--sherman alexie in seattle
in-reply-to:  <pine.sol.3.95.961025122951.18988a-100000@qbert.rs.itd.umich.edu>

sorry for the nigc, but for those of you puget sounders, sherman alexie
will be at the nw bookfair on the pier (48 is it?  i'm not sure) tomorrow.
i think he's going to be talking twice--once at 11:30 or 45 and the other
sometime around 3 (and with music).  hope to see some of you there!

larin

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subject:      frank stanford (three hits)

hey, kids...
does anyone in the nyc area know where i can find a book of frank stanford's
poems?  i don't know anything about him other than what amy's said in
relation to three hits (that he shot himself three times in the chest...).
i'm just kinda interested in what his poetry's like.  i checked out the
so-called barnes and noble "suerstores", but found nothing.  arg!!  also,
does anyone know more about his life and how it fits into three hits?
thanks,
stephen

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date:         fri, 25 oct 1996 20:06:02 -0700
reply-to:     "amy j. putnam" <pegasus@crl.com>
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from:         "amy j. putnam" <pegasus@crl.com>
subject:      re: ig x-mass greetings/bleak midwinter
x-to:         mbunch@ix6.ix.netcom.com
in-reply-to:  <1.5.4.32.19961025161824.00691b14@popd.ix.netcom.com>

> >actually, there is something xmas related that ig have done.  there's a
> >promo cd single out there of "get together" that has a short "holiday
> >greeting" by a&e at the beginning...
>
>
> many will remember that royalties from the get together single went
> to habitat for humanity which helps people build homes for themselves.

actually, this is a demo only-not for sale disc.  was never commercially
available with that greeting on it.

                          _________
amy p.                    \       /     who holds your hand
pegasus@crl.com            \     /      when you're alone
monk@world.std.com          \   /
the original photo monk      \ /                --patty larkin

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from:         sea8aggie@aol.com
subject:      ig songs for various seasons and moods

hey y'all.

gwendigo wrote about this and i think it's true.  this is not to say that i
don't listen to all of their stuff anytime, but the idea makes sense.  all i
know is i'm down in the dumps now and i need to either mellow with history of
us etc etc, wallow with ghost etc etc, or get cheered up with make it easier
etc etc etc.

question-------> does anyone ever slip a cd in, press a number of a specific
track (changes depending on mood, season, attitude...) and repeat 1 it...like
for hours or even all day?

i do.

amy

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from:         sea8aggie@aol.com
subject:      rosie email...nigc

y'all, am i just plain ig'nant or what?  this "www.rosieo.com/mail2.cgi " is
what was given when we were urged to write rosie  to get the girls on t.v.,
and i really want to but it has no "@" and so it doesn't work.  plus, i tried
to access it as a web page...
http://blablabla and that didn't work.  would someone who had success please
email me privately and clue this clueless one in please.

thanks,

amy

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subject:      dugout at emory?

hey y'all, i was wondering if anyone knew any info on the dugout at
emory university. in the watershed video, it shows ig playing there
dated 1985. but, i was at emory last weekend to visit some friends and
no one i asked knew anything about the place. does anyone know anything
about this? thanks,
david

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subject:      re: get your flames ready, but i feel like this needs to be said.

in a message dated 96-10-25 17:24:46 edt, nelson wrote:

........a bunch of stuff.

          huh ?

oh well... love you anyway :)

warm regards,

butchy butch
(try chocolate, that usually makes me feel better.)

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subject:      re: the screechy bumbershoot woman
x-to:         saulinoj@olywa.net

in a message dated 96-10-25 16:43:38 edt, jeni writes:

<< this woman has blown out one of the speakers in my car....  >>

i've actually caught myself driving around the parking lot at school
listening to the tape and trying to 'sing along' with the screeches :)
funny thing....no way can i hit that unearthly frequency (it's very
'bird like' you know.) not human (or elvis)

binky
p.s. i also try to hear what the people in the audience are saying
to each other when i listen to boots.....just nosey i guess....
(but i can't be the only one who does that :)
did michelles friend ever figure out how to turn the flash off
on the camera ? and what about the backpack ????????
(i couldn't make it out)
my favorite (from newport)
  "amy needs a haircut, dude !"

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from:         "sheri e. allen" <seaphish@aol.com>
subject:      re: get your flames ready, but i feel like this needs to be said.

in a message dated 96-10-25 17:24:47 edt, mcwhorte@mc.edu (nelson mcwhorter)
writes:

> est to love
>  everyone no matter what lifestyle they choose or are bound to.  i have
>  been noticing lately that a lot of the postings are getting to be
>  ridiculously blatent about homosexuality.  now i don't have any problem
>  with homosexuals, in fact i'd rather that not be an issue, but with
>  comments like the one about someones rendition of "goddess bless ye merry
>  dykewimmen"  that just kind of hurts.  i feel like i'm going to be looked
>  upon differently 'cause i'm not a lesbian feminist.

yes, all posts are blatent- that's cause we want people to read them.  but
comments about being homosexual or feminist just catch your eye more because
they're unfamiliar to you.  if you truly didn't "have a problem with
homosexuals" then you would read a post and it would just roll through your
brain like any other post dealing with heterosexual issues.  and nothing can
be "ridiculously blatant".  i think on this list i have been more comfortable
sharing personal feelings and experiences than i have with real life people
(ooh, that sounded like you all are not real people- sorry, didn't mean it
that way!).  what i mean is that i don't even know anyone on this list,
except for the handful i met briefly at newport, and i feel more familiar
with some than i do with some of my own friends, acquaintances and coworkers.
so we share a lot more with each other on this list than people generally
seem to do without knowing one another very well.  so, if because of this, a
woman on the lists mentions how she heard a particular song on a first date
with another woman that's not being ridiculously blatent, it's just a member
of this list sharing an experience which happens to be a homosexual one.

sorry to ramble, i just had my own little soc thing goin there....

-sheri :)

\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\

  _       _ ------ _               o      |....when you learn
{  ~\_/         o   \    o  o           |to love yourself
{  ~ _   ]          <  o                 |you will dissolve
{_~/  \ _        _ /                    | all the stones
             v-----                        | that are cast....
   seaphish@aol.com                -amy ray
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reply-to:     jazz <jasmine.ma@yale.edu>
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from:         jazz <jasmine.ma@yale.edu>
subject:      re: frank stanford (three hits)

i don't know if anyone has the stuff someone or other said last summer about
ole frank, but the way i remember it is he's a poet who shot himself three
times in the heart. he had a pretty troubled life. he has two or three
published works, i think two books of poetry and one of short stories. i
have his short stories, but i didn't bring them to school with me. if his
works are not out of print, i think an independent publisher is doing his
stuff, called lost roads publishers. if no one knows more, i can have more
by sunday when i go home. (eek- home)
jasmine

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reply-to:     "kim: goddess in her own reality" <rcn@prcn.org>
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from:         "kim: goddess in her own reality" <rcn@prcn.org>
subject:      my quote (nigc)

hey all...
in a private post to nelson, i apologized for my use of robin william's
quote about men... ( that they had only enough blood to operate one...bla
bla bla... )
i'd taken it off my posts before nelson's comment about it. i did this
because i got to thinking on it and decided that even though i was quoting a
male, and even though my husband and i both thought the quote extremely
funny ( my husband being a guy and all <no kidding> ) it might be taken as a
male slamming comment. i figured that if some fella posted to the list and
used some equally "isn't it sad about women, they have breasts and a brain,
but...bla bla bla?" quote, he'd be *badly* flamed....
so, anyway... this is me, with breasts but apparently no brain:-)
apologizing to anyone i may have offended. i was just hoping to make ya's smile.
peace all... kim ( the ungoddess-like goddess... )
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
      <just kim>rcn@prcn.org
"i'm running with scissors!!!!!!!"
---------------justkim---------------
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>

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from:         steve moore <whoadave@ix.netcom.com>
subject:      lyrics to new songs

i know this question has been asked before, but could someone either
point me to where i can find lyrics to the new tunes (it's alright,
shame on you, etc.) or e-mail them to me? thanks y'all.
steve

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subject:      geko end of october deals
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hey guys,

just a reminder that if you bring a friend to geko, your account gets
credited with $20!

also until the end of october if you take up a years flat fee subscription
we will throw in an extra month free, so for $365 you get 13 months
internet access. thats less than $1 a day!

note: this offer only applies to the sydney area.

so hurry and contact alison in accounts on ph. (02) 9439 1999 or email
accounts@geko.net.au before the end of halloween night (31/10/96) !

""this deal rocks""

regards
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from:         jason miller <jasomill@indiana.edu>
subject:      re: ig songs for various seasons and moods
in-reply-to:  <961025231124_1314529002@emout01.mail.aol.com>

>question-------> does anyone ever slip a cd in, press a number of a specific
>track (changes depending on mood, season, attitude...) and repeat 1 it...like
>for hours or even all day?

yes. for three months i couldn't sleep without "love will come to you"
playing on repeat (at a fairly low volume). it's a pretty long story, but
after a 7-day period of complete insomnia, i crawled back a track from
hours of tearful repetitions of "romeo & juliet" and wound up finding
myself in this song. ever since then, i have reguarded it as the one piece
of artistic accomplishment currently on this earth that has actually saved
my life (sounds quite pretentious, but its not a judgment or even a "my
favorite song"...fwiw there are ig songs i like better; its simply truth),
and the one song that holds meaning to me in this way.

-jason

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from:         jason miller <jasomill@indiana.edu>
subject:      re: ig as icebreakers
in-reply-to:  <pine.hpp.3.91.961025114727.1962d-100000@gaia.ecs.csus.edu>

>i have to know this...and there is no way that this will come out the
>right way, so please bear with me...
>
>        has anyone used ig as a way to pick up on someone else???
>
>        i met this woman last semester and i suspected she might be
>gay...so i just mentioned that for my birthday (back in may), i was going
>to see the indigo girls in concert in neworleans.
>
>        boom!  she loves the indigo girls.  we start yabbin' and yabbin'
>about how great they are in concert and blah blah blah.
>
>        so i've been trying to (really bad word coming up...) "flirt"
>with her for months on end and today, i let her borrow my "history of us"
>and "in with the out crowd" cd in addition to my copy of the disney
>special they showed (wow!) one year ago...the sacred ig items in my
>collection (and just short of giving her emily's guitar pick that my
>roommate caught at the laguna seca festival last year...).
>
>        please don't misconstrue my thoughts for today, i'm not saying all
>ig fans are gay.  and i'm not saying that all gay folks like the indigo
>girls.  that's just an insult to the fans or either (and other assorted)
>orientations, in addition to insulting the work of emily saliers and amy
>ray.
>
>  but it just seems to be a good ice breaker in my personal life.  take
>for example this list and how much we can talk about the music of amy and
>emily and how it never gets old....i'm not sure if it's just good small
>talk or if emily and amy just have way more interesting lives than the
>rest of us regular folks...:)
>
>        damnit!! our first date could've been the bread and roses show!!! ;p
>
>        never mind how far ahead i'm jumping on the personal level (as i
>always do, although i'm convinced that this woman is taken...), i'm just
>seeing if anybody else is as hokey (or flirtatious?) as i am...
>
>        am i going about this all wrong???
>
>banging my head against a brick wall if this woman loses my ig stuff,
>teri
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interesting, but i can relate in a completely different way. i'm not gay,
but there's a certain respect i lend to everyone i meet when i discover
that they like ig...like i want to get to know them, as they're definately
a cool and caring person, and believe me at iu there are plenty of the
shallow "get drunk and screw" types of people that have no interest in
things like love or friendship or hope, and thus, little interest in music
about such things. an ice breaker as well, since imho ig songs, unlike so
much modern music, have genuine *meaning*. so the conversation becomes
meaningful, and as you say re: your message, "on the personal level." i
know that was not about what you were conversing, but this is important in
any relationship or friendship...just plant the seeds and watch them grow.
and anyone who has been able to relate on a fairly personal level with even
one ig song (and judging from postings this is not unusual...i have, i do,
almost universally) knows that such things transcend such things as gender
and sex. if people would just realize this, great strides could be made
against not only homophobia, but ignorance in general, and the overpouring
of superficiality i see more and more of in my life.

-jason

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date:         sat, 26 oct 1996 18:00:06 +1000
reply-to:     scot <scot@sysx.apana.org.au>
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at 15:15 26/10/96 +1000, geko accounts wrote:
>hey guys,
>
>just a reminder that if you bring a friend to geko, your account gets
>credited with $20!

don't spam me with this crap please. i never asked for it. learn to
configure your site, too, your handling of mxs is shocking, and tardy.

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from:         tritessa <gsajaf@noctrl.edu>
subject:      re: rosie email...nigc
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> y'all, am i just plain ig'nant or what?  this "www.rosieo.com/mail2.cgi " is
> what was given when we were urged to write rosie  to get the girls on t.v.,
> and i really want to but it has no "@" and so it doesn't work.  plus, i tried
> to access it as a web page...
> http://blablabla and that didn't work.  would someone who had success please
> email me privately and clue this clueless one in please.

ok, the web address given was wrong. simply go to http://www.rosieo.com
at the bottom of the page there is a link to 'dear rosie' click on it and
you can email her! anyone who hasn't yet, come on, get on the ball! :)

jen

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reply-to:     gordon garradd <gjg@jolt.mpx.com.au>
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so what use is this to me in tamworth?

on sat, 26 oct 1996, geko accounts wrote:

> hey guys,
>
> just a reminder that if you bring a friend to geko, your account gets
> credited with $20!
>
> also until the end of october if you take up a years flat fee subscription
> we will throw in an extra month free, so for $365 you get 13 months
> internet access. thats less than $1 a day!
>
> note: this offer only applies to the sydney area.
>
> so hurry and contact alison in accounts on ph. (02) 9439 1999 or email
> accounts@geko.net.au before the end of halloween night (31/10/96) !
>
> ""this deal rocks""
>
> regards
> alison dooley
> geko accounts
>
>
>

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reply-to:     mmedido@aol.com
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subject:      re: rosie email...plus igc

in a message dated 96-10-26 08:47:00 edt, jen writes:

<< at the bottom of the page there is a link to 'dear rosie' click on it and
you can email her! anyone who hasn't yet, come on, get on the ball! :)
  >>
of course i did that right away...well after i downloaded the neet
sound files on her site...(so glad she dosn't use realaudio ;) (can someone
explain in the easy 'click on.." method how that works ?
the configure this..bla, bla..method doesn't work for me)
anyway
then i wondered if they (ig) would even want to tear themselves away
from the studio to go on the show  when they don't have an album to
promote...but wait>>>honor 1 has been released and besides
the release parties and 'net-casts' there has been 'precious' little
promotion
that i know of.....i have been scanning the printed media and not seen
a single mention or review....if i were in charge of promotion i would
sure want to get some press on it (maybe i'm not looking in the
right places).what is the strategy behind this ????? (i know nothing
about promo stuff)

i noticed russ @ hte suggested we call and request 'blood quantum'
(or other songs) so they must be available to the radio stations...
the quality of this recording would seem to merit a lot of attention
...whats up ?????

indigo girls were said to be the largest draw at bumbershoot this year
yet they did not get mentioned in the local media (who decided to
review kiss that weekend) is there some strange code of hippness
that forces the press to ignore them...i know music press can be snotty
occasionally ;) (dripping with irony)
>as much as we hate mtv i kinda thought they might mention
honor 1 in passing < (actually though...i rarely can take more
than 3min. of it at a time ;)

anyone out there know how these things work...is it as evil as it seems ?

love !
binky
p.s. noticed the braves (fans) getting heat from the mainstream
sports media for continuing to to the 'tomahawk chop'...this was
actualy sited as a major reason that a leading seattle sports writer was
rooting for the yankees...progress marches on :)

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hey,

not too smart setting up a list so we can all see what others say about
you.  please remove me from your list.  i didn't ask to be put on it anyway.

e-mail:  barrych@mpx.com.au

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let"s shut down this surver and the list. no one wants this crap

>subject:     re: geko end of october deals
>sent:        10/26/96 11:44 am
>received:    10/26/96 7:59 am
>from:        gjg@jolt.mpx.com.au
>to:          accounts@geko.net.au
>cc:          sales-list@zonk.geko.net.au
>
>from:  gjg@jolt.mpx.com.au (gordon garradd)
>to:    accounts@geko.net.au (geko accounts)
>cc:    sales-list@zonk.geko.net.au
>
>so what use is this to me in tamworth?
>
>
>
>on sat, 26 oct 1996, geko accounts wrote:
>
>> hey guys,
>>
>> just a reminder that if you bring a friend to geko, your account gets
>> credited with $20!
>>
>> also until the end of october if you take up a years flat fee subscription
>> we will throw in an extra month free, so for $365 you get 13 months
>> internet access. thats less than $1 a day!
>>
>> note: this offer only applies to the sydney area.
>>
>> so hurry and contact alison in accounts on ph. (02) 9439 1999 or email
>> accounts@geko.net.au before the end of halloween night (31/10/96) !
>>
>> ""this deal rocks""
>>
>> regards
>> alison dooley
>> geko accounts
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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subject:      driving tunes

on the way to and from getting 9th row tickets to melissa etheridge
!!!!!!!!!!  whoooooooooo hooooooooooooooo !!!!!!!!!!!!!! errr... ummmm....
oh yeah... we listened to nomads indians saints.

tracy & jeni <knowing that was a shameless way of making this igc>

"my life is an exercise in inertia"
        -- my buddy sharoane, september 1996

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at 06:00 pm 10/26/96 +1000, scot wrote:
>at 15:15 26/10/96 +1000, geko accounts wrote:
>>hey guys,
>>
>>just a reminder that if you bring a friend to geko, your account gets
>>credited with $20!
>
>don't spam me with this crap please. i never asked for it. learn to
>configure your site, too, your handling of mxs is shocking, and tardy.
>
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>http://sysx.apana.org.au/soundsite/


what the hell is this?...world wide recruitment? ..what is wrong with this
picture...i live in the usa and have no plans to relocate to au no matter
what your rates are.
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subject:      re: ig as icebreakers
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> interesting, but i can relate in a completely different way. i'm not gay,
> but there's a certain respect i lend to everyone i meet when i discover
> that they like ig...like i want to get to know them, as they're definately
> a cool and caring person, and believe me at iu there are plenty of the
> shallow "get drunk and screw" types of people that have no interest in
<snip>

usually, yes!!  i have one notable exception....when i was at the uw and
living in the dorm (for those of you who've done it...i survived eleven
and a half weeks living in terry before i got out...) i ended up with this
roommate who, aside from being  a hellish roommate, was also on volleyball
scholarship and played basketball offseason.  she had this buddy shannon
who was one of the starters and (and last year scored mega points for the
husky women) who loved ig, but as she said it was on a condition--"yeah,
they're great except that they're dykes--did you know that?" sigh.  oh
well, you can't win them all.  all i could do was just stare at her,
incredulous...what a waste...

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subject:      why did the chickenman cross the road?

hi, y'all!  hope you're having a spiffy weekend!  i'm putting off doing a
physics lab right now, and thought i would share a thread from about a year ago.
perhaps there are enough new list members that we could continue in the fun.  i
didn't keep track of who posted what, but here's the list as i know it.

anna

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
why did the chickenman cross the road?


because there were median cats growling at him.

cause he saw amy and emily mountain biking on the other side.

emily's "ghost" made him do it_and he loved it.

he wanted to be the first one in line for next tour's tickets!

he wanted to borrow amy's blue colored glasses.

he went looking for a car (and found himself beneath the stars).

to avoid a crowd of people calling themselves "indigs" and insisting on holding
his hand.

to get lunch at kfc.

to clear off of it five prairie dogs and a rabbit.

'cuz sejarez said so.

to get away from some mean, ole median cat.

to break in the doc martins a&e sent him.

to cash his royalty check.

(warning: blatant beatles reference) to visit his neighbor, the eggman.

he was going to get the police because there was a strange woman trespassing in
his back yard and riffling through his stuff.

to get away from amy trying to buy everything in his front yard.

to prove to armadillo man that it could be done.

it was his rite of passage.

the 'walk away' sign was lit.

he thought it was a crazy game.

to make it easier for virginia woolf to visit  cedar tree (world) falls in
nashville.  there's nothing like the southland in the springtime.

hey! jesus had love's recovery when those hammer and a nail made a reunion with
the wood, song 'back together' again.  fugitive, touch me fall with the least
complicated airplane.  fare thee well 'kid' fears.

the chickenman went to wake up emily, who as we all know from 1200c, was asleep
in the bus, so she wouldn't miss any of the enlightenment.

to avoid being sent down the river.

he was an activist who wanted a very short life.

to bruise his heels on the swollen street.

he doesn't care anymore_and he doesn't want to find out what he left there for.

to get east and find his inner hemisphere_he was lonely that night.

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subject:      tuesday child?

hi ya'll,

i am a fairly new ig fan, and in a few of their songs they refer to a
tuesday child?  i was just wondering what that is.  and when is their new
album exspected to come out?
thanks
stacey

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subject:      the hardest to learn was the least complicated...

hello, again!  i'm still putting off that physics lab write-up, so here's some
more stuff from about a year ago.  enjoy!

anna

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
the hardest to learn was the least complicated...

the hardest to breathe was the least respirated.
the hardest to burn was the least oxygenated.
the hardest to churn was the least concentrated.
the hardest to drink was the least percolated.
the hardest to earn was the least compensated.
the hardest to find was the least explicated.
the hardest to find was the least indicated.
the hardest to grow was the least cultivated.
the hardest to gulp was the least masticated.
the hardest to jail was the least implicated.
the hardest to know was the least cogitated.
the hardest to know was the least inculcated.
the hardest to know was the least lucubrated.
the hardest to mock was the least imitated.
the hardest to pan was the least overrated.
the hardest to pass was the least constipated.
the hardest to pay was the least obligated.
the hardest to prod was the least motivated.
the hardest to say was the least articulated.
the hardest to see was the least illuminated.
the hardest to shake was the least agitated.
the hardest to shout was the least understated.
the hardest to slide was the least lubricated.
the hardest to start was the least instigated.
the hardest to stir was the least marinated.
the hardest to teach was the least congregated.
the hardest to use was the least operated.
the hardest to wow was the least captivated.

*contributed by chuck stevens


the hardest to age was the least antiquated.
the hardest to air was the least ventilated.
the hardest to appoint was the least delegated.
the hardest to break was the least fragitated.
the hardest to build was the least fabricated.
the hardest to calm was the least agitated.
the hardest to choose was the least designated.
the hardest to commit was the least dedicated.
the hardest to configure was the least integrated.
the hardest to count was the least calculated.
the hardest to drink was the least carbonated.
the hardest to drool was the least salivated.
the hardest to end was the least terminated.
the hardest to expect was the least anticipated.
the hardest to fix was the least calibrated.
the hardest to flood was the least irrigated.
the hardest to form was the least granulated.
the hardest to free was the least emancipated.
the hardest to free was the least liberated.
the hardest to get was the least extricated.
the hardest to give was the least donated.
the hardest to guess was the least approximated.
the hardest to hear was the least vociferated.
the hardest to heat was the least insulated.
the hardest to honor was the least venerated.
the hardest to imagine was the least contemplated.
the hardest to kill was the least assassinated.
the hardest to lift was the least elevated.
the hardest to make was the least generated.
the hardest to perfect was the least consummated.
the hardest to rule was the least dominated.
the hardest to satisfy was the least satiated.
the hardest to sell was the least liquidated.
the hardest to shout was the least overstated.
the hardest to soak was the least saturated.
the hardest to solve was the least investigated.
the hardest to squash was the least smurf-related.
the hardest to tame was the least domesticated.
the hardest to tear was the least perforated.
the hardest to think was the least caffeinated.
the hardest to unite was the least confederated.
the hardest to use was the least allocated.
the hardest to watch was the least pg-rated.

*contributed by jennifer thompsen (cranberry)

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date:         sat, 26 oct 1996 15:29:39 -0500
reply-to:     tuesday's child <dc3545@cnsvax.albany.edu>
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ooops!!!
sorry all!  this was meant to be a private message don't know how i ended
up sending it to the whole list.
                                                sorry again!
                                                tuesday's child


on thu, 24 oct 1996, tuesday's child wrote:

> hey!  i'm 5'11" too! not many of us around are there?  i've discovered...
  etc.

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reply-to:     the good queen bess <sadler@email.unc.edu>
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subject:      re: tuesday child?
x-to:         "stacey l. vamvas" <svamvas@vt.edu>
in-reply-to:  <199610261842.oaa16341@sable.cc.vt.edu>

i always assumed this referred to the old nursery rhyme:

monday's child is fair of face,
tuesday's child is full of grace,
wednesday's child is full of woe,
thursday's child is fast to grow,
friday's child is rosy and sunny,
saturday's child works hard for her money,
and the child that was born on the sabbath day,
is pretty and witty and merry and gay.

i think this is also why the girl on the addams family was named wednesay.

--bess
(who was born on sunday -- go figure!)

on sat, 26 oct 1996, stacey l. vamvas wrote:

> hi ya'll,
>
> i am a fairly new ig fan, and in a few of their songs they refer to a
> tuesday child?  i was just wondering what that is.  and when is their new
> album exspected to come out?
> thanks
> stacey
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subject:      re: get your flames ready (flamer, are you ready?)
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> from:    nelson mcwhorter <mcwhorte@mc.edu>
> subject: get your flames ready, but i feel like this needs to be said.

> i have
> been noticing lately that a lot of the postings are getting to be
> ridiculously blatent about homosexuality.

frankly, the ig are blatent about homosexuality.  they are gay, they are
out, and they sing and talk about it.  so do we.  if you want to be in an
e-space where homosexuality is not visible (i.e., where it is ignored
and/or repressed), then this is not the place for you.  if that is the
case and you choose to leave then i am sorry that we will lose you.

> now i don't have any problem
> with homosexuals, in fact i'd rather that not be an issue, but with
> comments like the one about someones rendition of "goddess bless ye merry
> dykewimmen"  that just kind of hurts.

it seems that you felt you were excluded from that thread because you are
straight and male.  that is not a good feeling.  this feeling, though, is
something that many of us here know very well, as we are gay, lesbian,
bisexual, transgendered, transexual, female, black, chicano, latino, latina,
native american, asian, asian american and poor.  but the key to diversity is
not to be included in everything--it is to support everyone.  so when i hear a
self-proclaimed dense, white, heterosexual male saying that he does not
want there to be any more threads on this list like x because it did not
include him i am not exactly moved to make a personal effort to
accomodate his request.

> i feel like i'm going to be looked
> upon differently 'cause i'm not a lesbian feminist.

you will be looked upon differently than the lesbian feminists who are
here because you are different from them.  you will not, however, be
looked _down_ upon because you are not a lesbian feminist.  we are all
looked upon differently based on who we are.  please try not to be
intimidated by the strong lesbian voice on this list--it is probably
something that is new to you, and we will be patient.  each person,
regardless of his or her demographics, is important.

> yes, i understand
> the humor and i'm really not as much of a stickler as this post seems,
> but i'd like to think that all the fans of ig can live without having to
> cover insecurities about such issues like butch/femme stuff...can't we
> just like the hairstyle or not....

i agree with you here.  i _am_ a "lesbian feminist," and i can _definitely_
do without discussions about the hair of the ig and discussions about
b/f.  about once every month or so when the ig are not touring someone
posts a passionate plea to the list begging that the nigc be limited.
unfortunately (for me and you and others like us), these requests usually
are not granted.  i try not to make too much of a fuss because it seems
like the people who engage in them need to--as nigc as it is, it is
definitely a connection.  and besides that, people enjoy them.

so what i do, that might be of help to you, is subscribe to the digest
when the ig are not touring.  when they start touring again the nigc will
decrease sharply, and many of us will change back to the regular list.
on the digest, you can scan subject headings and when you see 40 nigc:
hair you can hit "d" and remove them all in one fell swoop!

> someone make me feel better about this
> please.  there's realy no way for me to really say how i feel i guess.
> i hope that the replies won't be flames but encouraging...i don't really
> want to anger anyone, but just arouse some thinking.

hopefully my message and those you will receive from others have made you
feel better.  it seems to me that your difficulty in deciding what to say
has made you seem like a bit of a homophobe when you're really just
peeved about nigc.  nigc is a definite issue on this list, and people
have a million different opinions relating to it.  i am glad that you
felt like you could share yours.

take care,
margaret

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reply-to:     alec <alec@pipeline.com>
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from:         alec <alec@pipeline.com>
subject:      re: get your flames ready, but i feel like this needs to be said.
x-to:         vockler <vockler@pacifier.com>

>ohhhhh, i can tell this is gunna be a hard one to hold back on.  first
>off, i want to take a rather hard feminist standpoint on the fact that
>we have two men wanting to control what women do.  enough said.

i hate to do this to y'all, i mean, i know the old debate on nigc crap on
the list, but this is something i gotta do.  two men trying to control what
women do?  come on, that's really stretching it.

when are people gonna realize that it doesn't matter where an idea comes
from.  i'm studying china in school right now, so here's a real world
example from it's history.  when the west came to china to trade, it closed
itself off because it refused to believe that "barbarians" could have
anything to offer them.  by refusing to advance with the west, china became
next to nothing.  the japanese, on the other hand, were quite willing to
accept western thought, and they became a power, and in fact captured parts
of china.  to link all of this, it doesn't matter who has a good idea, and
if these "barbarians", errr, men, have a good idea, don't discount it
because they're not women.  although i agree with what was said, i am not
saying it is an objectively good idea.  i bet that if a man said "you guys
should be more blatent," it would still be an attempt at control.  take it
as a thought, a suggestion, a person, not a man, who is bothered by something.

>second,  we live in an imperfect society that makes us use labels.  as
>much as we want to get away from our little boxes, we will have a hard
>time doing so.  until then, using negative stereotypical phrasing on
>each other in a positive way (i.e., dyke) is the only avenue currently
>open to take power away from those who wish harm on us.

very simply, i do not believe that i (a white male) could call an
african-american a nigger (i hate even to type that word).  using the
negative stereotype has become, in many respects, more of a membership code
than a statement...  if i say dyke, i better be one, because otherwise, i'm
a homophobe or a nazi.  but i can say something like jew-boy, and it's
(pardon the pun) perfectly kosher, because the blood in my veins traces to
jews before me?  thank you, no.

>third, if i
>gotta see heterosexual programming in everyday life, then you gotta
>tolerate homosexual expressiveness.

it's not toleration that's the problem here.  i ask why everybody must make
a big deal out of their broad stereotype.  you don't see people going around
signing their letters with "i have a freckle on my wrist."  i see tossing
around words like dyke almost as a method of getting attention.  that may be
the goal, but it's not positive attention.  it seems a formality.  let us
accept that many people on the list are gay, in fact, let us even accept
that most of them are.  let us also accept that there wouldn't be any
flaming homophobics on this list because of that.  what are you proving in
this narrow medium?  whom are you demonstrating to?  these words you're
tossing around are like clothes in a tropical climate.  there's absolutely
no need for them at all, because you can walk around naked and comfortable,
but instead you put on all this covering, so that others can see what you
show them.  if you were alone, would you need to wear clothes?  if you did,
would they be witty or functional?  fasionable or comfortable?

>if anyone has a solution instead of a complaint, or "awareness raiser",
>please speak-up.  until you do, deal with it as we do.

i think i do have the answer.  i hate to use an all inclusive "you", but
bear with me.  perhaps you should humanize yourselves instead of seperate
yourselves.  yes, you do have to live with heterosexual programming, and
that's a problem, in fact, my solution lies partly there.  the more
seperated a group becomes, the more of a group in fact they do become.  in
my opinion, all equality groups that work for only one group are pretty much
half-assed.  i think it's pretty hypocritcal to say that all gays deserve
the rights of all straight people. or all women deserve the rights of all
other people.  what are you saying?  gay's aren't people?  women aren't
people?  stop making yourselves a category.  goddamit, it gets me so damned
angry when someone thinks that the way to solve a problem is by promoting
it.  any gay rights group is helping do the work of anti-gay groups.  by
extracting yourselves from the global community, your making yourselves a
target.  look at them, they're different.  why not try making people see you
as the same for a second?  why do we notice blatent gay or femmenistic
remarks?  not because we're trained to be sexist or homophobic, but because
we're seeing something different.  it's not the fault of the reader for
seeing what the writer wrote.  wouldn't it be strange if i started parading
around saying that "straight people are people too?"  most people would say
that straight people were already people, and gay people need to be
assimilated, but that's the problem.

>i am proud to be out where ever i am, on any medium!

i'm proud of you too.  you're in a tough situation, where you have been
dehumanized, and you are obviously very strong in the face of adversity.

>dyke!

those who yell the loudest win?

alec

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date:         sat, 26 oct 1996 17:20:11 -0400
reply-to:     the good queen bess <sadler@email.unc.edu>
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from:         the good queen bess <sadler@email.unc.edu>
subject:      re: tuesday child?
in-reply-to:  <pine.a41.3.95.961026170014.108004d-100000@login1.isis.unc.edu>

on sat, 26 oct 1996, the good queen bess wrote:

> monday's child is fair of face,
> tuesday's child is full of grace,
> wednesday's child is full of woe,
> thursday's child is fast to grow,
                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^  oops!  i looked it up, and thursday's
                                     child has *far to go*, sorry.
> friday's child is rosy and sunny,
> saturday's child works hard for her money,
> and the child that was born on the sabbath day,
> is pretty and witty and merry and gay.
>
> i think this is also why the girl on the addams family was named wednesay.
>
> --bess
> (who was born on sunday -- go figure!)
>
> on sat, 26 oct 1996, stacey l. vamvas wrote:
>
> > hi ya'll,
> >
> > i am a fairly new ig fan, and in a few of their songs they refer to a
> > tuesday child?  i was just wondering what that is.  and when is their new
> > album exspected to come out?
> > thanks
> > stacey
> >
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date:         sat, 26 oct 1996 16:14:20 -0500
reply-to:     "mary e. kushman" <mekindigo@ecu.campus.mci.net>
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from:         "mary e. kushman" <mekindigo@ecu.campus.mci.net>
subject:      repeating ig songs

yep, i do it.  when i'm working on reports for advanced lab.  i play
"tangled up in blue" for hours on end.  drives my labmates nuts sometimes.
but they just have had to learn to deal with it!

mary  :)

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date:         sat, 26 oct 1996 16:14:38 -0500
reply-to:     "mary e. kushman" <mekindigo@ecu.campus.mci.net>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "mary e. kushman" <mekindigo@ecu.campus.mci.net>
subject:      why did the chickenman cross the road?

he had to obey his 12:00 curfew.

swamp ophelia was on the other side.

someone said "c'mon people now, smile on your brother, everybody get
together, gotta love one another right now."

to get a peek at a and e's hairdos.

to get out the map.

he was just going to the country.

to appreciate the southland in the springtime.

'cause everybody's waiting for someone to come home.

to find his land of canaan.

my $0.02,
mare

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date:         sat, 26 oct 1996 16:24:13 -0400
reply-to:     alec <alec@pipeline.com>
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from:         alec <alec@pipeline.com>
subject:      re: what about us jewish fans?
x-to:         andrea lipman <ablipman@sas.upenn.edu>

for my point zero two on this one...

i would think the girls would do most of those hebrew folk songs...  ya
know, the really haunting melody type ones... really well...  i could see
them jamming with debby friedman too...  then there's lechi lach... that
would work....  but even hatikvah could have an interesting indigo twist...

alec

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date:         sat, 26 oct 1996 17:36:15 -0400
reply-to:     jazz <jasmine.ma@yale.edu>
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from:         jazz <jasmine.ma@yale.edu>
subject:      re: frank stanford (three hits)

i meant to send this to the list, but i messed up--

>date: sat, 26 oct 1996 17:07:47 -0400
>to: kimberly hobbs <kimlin@vcn.bc.ca>
>from: jazz <jasmine.ma@yale.edu>
>subject: re: frank stanford (three hits)
>
>at 12:14 pm 10/26/96 -0700, you wrote:
>
>>
>>hi jasmine, according to "the light the dead see" intro frank has nine
>>separate publications all from very small publishing companies. just
>>didn't want you to sell old frank short. plus, what is this about short
>>stories? are you sure? as far as i know he was a poet and only a poet.
>>this is according to leon stokesbury, someone who has studied frank
>>stanford for over twenty years. could you please verify the short story
>>thing as i am very interested in having this resolved.
>>
>>kim (north vancouver - a very extreme frank stanford apostle)
>
>kim wrote this to me, for some reason, instead of the list. so this is what
she knows. i can say for sure that he's got a book of short stories, since i
own it. hope that helps.
>jazz
>

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date:         sat, 26 oct 1996 15:29:47 -0500
reply-to:     tritessa <gsajaf@noctrl.edu>
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from:         tritessa <gsajaf@noctrl.edu>
subject:      re: geko end of october deals (fwd)

just thought you all should read this. i responded to whoever this is,
frankly rather p.o.ed to receive this kind of solicitation. this is the
response i got. does anyone know who i could register a complaint with or
take action?

---------- forwarded message ----------
date: sun, 27 oct 1996 01:48:37 +1000 (est)
from: geko accounts department <accounts@zonk.geko.net.au>
to: tritessa <gsajaf@noctrl.edu>
subject: re: geko end of october deals

get a life.

> what the hell is this and why are you sending it to our list? most
> of us are in the united states. spam me with this kind of crap again and
> action will be taken.

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date:         sat, 26 oct 1996 16:37:15 -0400
reply-to:     andrea lipman <ablipman@sas.upenn.edu>
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from:         andrea lipman <ablipman@sas.upenn.edu>
subject:      re: what about us jewish fans?
x-to:         alec <alec@pipeline.com>

>for my point zero two on this one...
>
>i would think the girls would do most of those hebrew folk songs...  ya
>know, the really haunting melody type ones... really well...  i could see
>them jamming with debby friedman too...  then there's lechi lach... that
>would work....  but even hatikvah could have an interesting indigo twist...
>
>alec

yeah...hatikvah would be so cool!  did anyone ever hear the yiddish song
"oyfen pripichick"?  that's the best i can spell it in english.  it's about
children sitting around the campfire leaning the alphabet, i think.  my
grandma used to sing it to me when i was little.  it's in schindler's list
too.  a&e would kick ass on that one...

andi

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date:         sat, 26 oct 1996 15:54:58 -0500
reply-to:     nelson mcwhorter <mcwhorte@mc.edu>
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from:         nelson mcwhorter <mcwhorte@mc.edu>
subject:      (nigc)response to my "flame request"

        well, the one word that comes to my mind after all the replies is
"wow"  i think i needed to learn all that i did from your responses.
ironically enough, i only got one negative response, but i learned a lot
from it, too.  i'm sorry if i even dared to propose that you guys limit
your content.  now i understand how much of a "haven" this is and it's
fine with me if you write anything.  i've never had any gay friends so
all my information about them has come second hand until today.  i
realize now (not totally, of course) that there is a lot of stuff you
guys have to deal with that i/we don't, and it shouldn't be that way, but
it is....so, no complaints anymore from me.  thank you guys so much for
writing me with encouragement...i love days like these when i learn a new
way of thinking and i wish i could meet all of you who responded and go
out to dinner with allof you so i could learn more, but.....maybe
sometime eh?  i live in jackson, ms and birmingham, al so if anyone is
from near there give me a msg and we'll talk :)
        feel free, everyone, to write what you wish and i shall just look
past stuff that might take me off guard.  i do realize how selfish my
post was and in the future i'm gonna think about it a lot more and try to
be more compassionate......thanks again everyone!!!!:)

nelson mcwhorter                                          inet: mcwhorte@mc.edu
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date:         sat, 26 oct 1996 18:05:45 -0400
reply-to:     boilrmkr@bu.edu
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from:         anjeanette milner <boilrmkr@bu.edu>
subject:      nigc

> >
> > >second,  we live in an imperfect society that makes us use labels.  as
> > >much as we want to get away from our little boxes, we will have a hard
> > >time doing so.  until then, using negative stereotypical phrasing on
> > >each other in a positive way (i.e., dyke) is the only avenue currently
> > >open to take power away from those who wish harm on us.
> >
> > very simply, i do not believe that i (a white male) could call an
> > african-american a nigger (i hate even to type that word).  using the
> > negative stereotype has become, in many respects, more of a membership code
> > than a statement...  if i say dyke, i better be one, because otherwise, i'm
> > a homophobe or a nazi.  but i can say something like jew-boy, and it's
> > (pardon the pun) perfectly kosher, because the blood in my veins traces to
> > jews before me?  thank you, no.
> >
>
> <applause>
> coming from one with many friends of
> hundreds of nationalities, faiths and
> other persuasions... i could never, never
> call someone by the negative nicknames that
> seem to be pervading our society.. making it
> seem cool to denounce the negativity with
> acceptance of only the "in crowd"
> not to mention, in a society with a melting
> pot such as ours.. one cannot tell anymore
> what traces of suffering are in our past
> heck i got in trouble for wearing a nelson
> mandela t-shirt b'c it said it was "a black thing" etc...
> african american women on campus were in my face in
> an instant because all they saw was a blonde woman
> not a person with south african roots...
>
> > >if anyone has a solution instead of a complaint, or "awareness raiser",
> > >please speak-up.  until you do, deal with it as we do.
> >
> > i think i do have the answer.  i hate to use an all inclusive "you", but
> > bear with me.  perhaps you should humanize yourselves instead of seperate
> > yourselves.
>  > by
> > extracting yourselves from the global community, your making yourselves a
> > target.  look at them, they're different.  why not try making people see you
> > as the same for a second?
>
>  i feel that the only way to live one's life is to truly live it
> and make others notice how well i have lived
> hopefully they will wish to emulate it (and let me backtrack here,
> not all of my life has been handled well by me, but i think
> survival has made me a better person) and someday, just by the shear
> experience of living, people will realize it doesnt matter.. the
> labels dont matter, because i (they) have lived a full and prosperous life
> unfortuantely.. this can be a naive outlook.. *sigh*
> i only have to wish harder?
>
> smile and sing some indigos
> love anjeanette
>


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no! i am not prince hamlet, nor was meant to be;
am an attendant lord, one that will do
to swell a progress, start a scene or two,
advise the prince; no doubt, an easy tool,
deferential, glad to be of use,
politic, cautious, and meticulous;
full of high sentence, but a bit obtuse;
at times, indeed, almost ridiculous-
almost, at times, the fool.

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date:         sat, 26 oct 1996 15:24:11 -0700
reply-to:     mbunch@ix6.ix.netcom.com
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from:         mbunch@ix6.ix.netcom.com
subject:      re: get together/x-mass greeting
x-to:         "amy j. putnam" <pegasus@crl.com>

at 08:06 pm 10/25/96 -0700, amy j. putnam wrote:

>actually, this is a demo only-not for sale disc.
>was never commercially available with that greeting on it.


if you read my post again you will notice i said proceeds from
the single for "get together" went to habitat for humanity, which
they did.  i have the cassette single, i believe finlandia is the
b-side.  the version on the demo disc was the single version
i was refering to. i did not mean to imply the greeting was on
the commercially released single.

michael

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date:         sat, 26 oct 1996 15:26:31 -0500
reply-to:     tracy - bounding back to school!!! <clumber@halcyon.com>
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subject:      alright alright... <grumbly voice> obsessed fan thread

you know you are... well... that... when:

        you notice on a drive to your dog's vet an apartment complex named:
                        "woodsong apartments"

and then spend 3 days trying to decide if you want to admit to 700+
strangers (and maybe 15 non-strangers) that you might be... well... obsessed.

tracy <who is not moving there... now if i ever see one named, say, "land of
caanan apartments"... we'll see....>

"it doesn't appear that she is being held against her will...
        well... i mean... it does *appear* that way...."
                -- agent dana scully

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date:         sat, 26 oct 1996 18:16:11 -0500
reply-to:     abigail <abaroo@execpc.com>
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from:         abigail <abaroo@execpc.com>
subject:      re: the hardest to learn was the least complicated...

ahem...

the hardest to:

~turn was the least pre-rotated

~(howard) stern was the least xxx rated

~fern was the least germenated

~discern  was the least penetrated

~"durn" was the least nasal-twanged

    (sorry about that last one :)

:) abigail

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a pawn" ~emily saliers

afraid of women" ~dar williams

complacent!!!" ~amy ray

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date:         sat, 26 oct 1996 18:22:22 -0500
reply-to:     abigail <abaroo@execpc.com>
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from:         abigail <abaroo@execpc.com>
subject:      re: what about us jewish fans?

or how about them being religiously equal in their choice of andrew lloyd
weber musicals? how does joseph & the amazing technicolor dreamcoat start
again? surely there must be several references to the land of canaan! let us
see, now amy could star as joseph and emily could be potiphar's wife or the
narrator-possibilities are endless!

:) ~abigail (who perked up during friday night's looooong sermon every time
the rabbi mentioned the land of canaan :)

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a pawn" ~emily saliers

afraid of women" ~dar williams

complacent!!!" ~amy ray

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date:         sat, 26 oct 1996 16:30:33 -0700
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from:         catherine diederich <cath@efn.org>
subject:      boots and m.e. sigc

ok so if i am this nonchalant when ig come to town i'll be left with
nothin!  last night shila and i realized that m.e. was coming to
portland on dec. 15, tics on sale today at 9 am. i casually went to buy
them at 9 and waited oh, 15 minutes with 10 other women to leave with
floor seats, 16th row center!!  i feel lucky today! i figured to wait at
least an hour and maybe be able to kinda see her.  it looks though like
i need to refine my skills for when the girls roll around! so, how would
one go about making a boot of this concert? i have never done this.  is
the 16th row too far back for taping? (duh, i honestly have no clue)
would love some help with this! thanks
                                catherine and (signing for)shila...she likes to be included, but
works way too much!

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date:         sat, 26 oct 1996 19:46:32 -0400
reply-to:     jennifer haejin kim <jkim12@sph.emory.edu>
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from:         jennifer haejin kim <jkim12@sph.emory.edu>
subject:      nigc: being proud
in-reply-to:  <199610262116.raa22797@netspace.org>

i wanted to remain a lurker, but i can't let this one go.....

> two men trying to control what
> women do?  come on, that's really stretching it.

no?  what about all the presidents & vice presidents trying to control
women's lives and reproductive choices?..

> when are people gonna realize that it doesn't matter where an idea comes
> from.  i'm studying china in school right now, so here's a real world
> example from it's history.  when the west came to china to trade, it closed
> itself off because it refused to believe that "barbarians" could have
> anything to offer them.  by refusing to advance with the west, china became
> next to nothing.  the japanese, on the other hand, were quite willing to
> accept western thought, and they became a power, and in fact captured parts
> of china.

1. i find many of your statements very problematic. to me, it reeks of
american cultural self-righteousness and colonialism, that a country which
failed to "accept" "western ideas" became nothing, and was, in turn, invaded
by a country which did "accept" western ideas?
so, what is your take-home message with that?  that countries which do
"accept" western ideas are better off and more powerful??  you stated "it
doesn't matter who's idea it is", but by the very nature and content of your
example, the issue of "accepting" or "not accepting" western ideas
is the key point.  also, was the invasion of china soley a result of
japan's "acceptance" of western ideas???

2. yes, you might be learning about china and japan in school...but think
about where you are learning it. be critical. we all know that american
education has been - and continues to be - problematic in terms of race
relations.  native americans are not the only communities whose
real histories are completely erased by "mainstream" education.
histories of asia (particularly east asia = china, korea, japan) have
existed primarly in the minds of american and european colonialism.
they are "foreign" countries that need to be "given" western thoughts,
ideas, values, in order to come to our level of "power".  our idea of the
"global village" is that other countries become just like us.

> it's not toleration that's the problem here.  i ask why everybody must make
> a big deal out of their broad stereotype.  you don't see people going around
> signing their letters with "i have a freckle on my wrist."  i see tossing
> around words like dyke almost as a method of getting attention.  that may be
> the goal, but it's not positive attention.  it seems a formality.

yes, personally, i "toss" around words like dyke, queer, bi, lesbian, gay,
transgender, for attention.  i am loud about being a korean american
bi-queer s/m dyke because in this society, every day, my ethnicity and
sexual orientation are erased, minimalized, insulted, ignored, rejected,
marginalized, etc etc. i am loud because i'm proud, because i want
everyone to know that the world is not only a white hetereosexual male
space, and because i see it as a form of justicemaking, and liberation.  for
me, it's about survival.  if i let myself be silent, then i'll disappear.
i'll be assimilated into a system which oppresses me, which hates me as i am.

> let us accept that many people on the list are gay, in fact, let us even
> accept that most of them are.

i'm not gay.  i'm queer.  :)
and, yes let us also accept that many people in the america, the world,
are lesbian/gay/bi/transgender. let us even accept that most of them are.

> these words you're
> tossing around are like clothes in a tropical climate.  there's absolutely
> no need for them at all, because you can walk around naked and comfortable,
> but instead you put on all this covering, so that others can see what you
> show them.  if you were alone, would you need to wear clothes?  if you did,
> would they be witty or functional?  fasionable or comfortable?

yes, but when someone calls me a "fuckin dyke" or a "greasy chink", i
dont have the "choice" of "taking off my clothes".  they're taken off,
ripped off, for me. i'm stripped involuntarily of my own personal comfort,
my own personal safety.  and that's the difference.  i dont "wear clothes" for
fashion, or to be witty - i do it for my protection, for my *comfort*.

the words i "toss" around are important to me in a way you might not
understand because you might not be a "member" of a marginalized
population. i "toss" them around because they give language, a meaning,
to my existence, to my experience.
as someone who constantly experiences some form of queer-phobia or
racism, the phrase "we're all the same....can't we just get along?"
doesn't apply to me. to me, it says, "let's forget what makes you you....
it doesn't matter.  i want you to be the same as me."  well, my
queerness, my ethnicity *is* important to me, it *is* a part of me, and i
dont want it to be ignored.

> i think i do have the answer.  i hate to use an all inclusive "you", but
> bear with me.  perhaps you should humanize yourselves instead of seperate
> yourselves.

i am not trying to "separate" myself, i've already been separated.....in
trying to humanize myself and my existence, i am then separated by others.
i, as an asian american bi-queer dyke woman, do not have that same
priveledge of taking for granted that i'm "humanized".

have you ever lived as a queer person of color?  i dont think so.  i
certainly have never lived as a white heterosexual male.  nor can i ever.
and, because i do not know your full experience, i will not assume to
tell you what to do. it's all about hearing people where they are....
not expecting them to come to the same place you are.

>  stop making yourselves a category.

i didn't make myself a category.  this white, heterosexual male dominated
society made *me* a category.  it defines me.  it's how other people see
me.  when i walk into a room, i'm not seen as "jen"....i'm seen as an
asian woman dyke-looking freak (orange&red hair, nose ring).  those are
all categories.  the difference between those categories and categories
of "male, white, heterosexual" is that "minority" categories are
marginalized, discriminated against, and oppressed.

> byextracting yourselves from the global community, your making yourselves a
> target.

i'm already a target for sexists, homophobes, and racist bigots.
i certainly didn't wake up one day and say "hey....i want to be a target.
i want to be oppressed. yeah...that's how we'll acheive justice."

and what is the "global community"?  does it exist?  am i an equal part it??

> wouldn't it be strange if i started parading around saying that
> "straight people are people too?"

yes, it would be strange. becuase it doesn't need to be said in our
society.  queers and "minorities" are not always perceived to be, or
*treated as* "normal" people.  so, i gotta keep reminding everyone else
that i'm not subhuman.

> >dyke!
> those who yell the loudest win?

i "yell" so that i can hear an echo.....so that i know that there are
other voices out there like mine, other people who understand and share
struggles.

let the flames begin -
j.
____________________________________________________________________________
jennifer haejin kim
jkim12@drk.sph.emory.edu, jkim12@emory.edu

i listen to the voices                  i know i can't be the only
that come from my heart                 whatever i am in the room
and scream from my guts                 so why am i so lonely?
i am more                               why am i so tired?
than what you see                       i need company
        - l. ka'ahumanu                 i need backup
                                        i need to be inspired
                                                - a. difranco

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date:         sat, 26 oct 1996 19:23:18 -0500
reply-to:     "hsu amber r. batson" <arbatson@hsutx.edu>
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from:         "hsu amber r. batson" <arbatson@hsutx.edu>
subject:      nigc what i'm wearing today (well i guess some igc)

i just had to tell you that are interested what i'm wearing today! this
is my first public appearance in any ig merchandise! i'm wearing an hte
so shirt, my long lucky jeans, and a pair of white/light green doc's.
along the hair thread, my hair is shoulder length. thanks for listening.
i'm so proud to be an ig fan.
amber

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date:         sat, 26 oct 1996 20:15:35 -0400
reply-to:     jen lucero <jlucero@monmouth.com>
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subject:      lyrics repost

        hi y'all...there have been a few requests for new lyrics, so here
are the (completely unofficial of course) lyrics to get out the map, shame
on you, winthrop, don't give that girl a gun, it's alright and blood quantum.
        i'm still working hard on the rest of the new songs and i'll post
them as soon as i figure it all out!!

        jen

get out the map

        the saddest sight my eyes can see
        that big ball of orange sinking slyly down the trees
        sittin' in a broken circle while you rest upon my knee
        this perfect moment soon be leaving me

        suzanne calls from boston, the coffee's hot, the corn is high
        that same sun that warms your heart, will suck that good earth dry
        with everything its opposite enough to keep you cryin'
        or keep this whole world spinning with a twinkle in it's eye

        and get out the map, get out the map and lay your finger anywhere down
        we'll leave the figurin' to those we pass on our way outta town
        don't drink the water, there seems to be somethin' ailing everyone
        and i'm gonna clear my head, i'm gonna drink that sun
        i'm gonna love you good and strong while our love is good and young

        joni left for south africa a few years ago
        and then beth took a job all the way over on the west coast
        and me, i'm still trying to live half a life on the road
        heavier by the year
        heavier by the load

        why do we hurtle ourselves through every inch of time and space
        i must say around some corner i can sense a resting place
        with every lesson learned, a line upon your beautiful face
        and we'll amuse ourselves one day with these memories we'll trace

        and get out the map, get out the map and lay your finger anywhere down
        we'll leave the figurin' to those we pass on our way outta town
        don't drink the water, there seems to be somethin' ailing everyone
        i'm gonna clear my head, i'm gonna drink that sun
        i'm gonna love you good and strong while our love is good and young

        i'm gonna clear my head, i'm gonna drink that sun
        i'm gonna love you good and strong while our love is good and young

        shame on you

        my friends they wash the windows
        and they shine in the sun
        they say wake up early in the morning sometime
        and see what a beautiful job we've done

        i said let's put on some tunes
        sing-a-long and do a little all day
        go down to the riverside, take off our clothes
        and wash these sins away

        and the river said, la la la, it said
        shame on you
        and the river said, la la la, it said
        shame on you

        i go down to chicano city park (or mexican meeting ground)
        cause it makes me feel so fine
        and when the weeds go down
        you can see up close
        in the dead of the wintertime

        oh, when the summer comes everything's in bloom
        and you wouldn't know it's there
        and the white folks would like to pretend it's not
        but their music's in the air

        you can hear them singing, la, la, la, they said
        shame on you
        you can hear them dancing, la, la, la, they said
        shame on you

        my friend tanner she says, you know, me and jesus
        we're of the same heart
        the only thing that keeps us distant
        is that i keep fucking up

        i said come on down to chicano city park (mexican meeting ground)
        wash your blues away
        and when the beautiful ladies walk right by
        you know i never know what to say

        and now they're singing, ooh la, la, la...
        shame on you
        and now we're dancing, ooh la, la, la...they said
        shame on you
        shame on you

        we're road-block tripping in the middle of the night
        up in gainesville town
        there'll be blue lights flashing down a long dirt road
        they ask me to step out

        they said we've been looking for illegal immigrants
        can we check your car
        i said you know it's funny
        i think you were on the same boat back in 1694

        and i said, ooh, la, la, la...
        shame on you
        and i said, ooh, la, la, la...
        shame on you...
        shame on you

        winthrop

        when we get back to winthrop
        a few miles from the airport
        in a plastic chair on a deck where my friends live
        i watch the taking off airplanes
        i watch the ocean waves crashing
        and with all of this movement something's got to give

        down at the high tide
        passed down through the family
        the fishermen gather to complain about the catch
        they talk about time
        they talk about tides
        the pull of the moon and the deep night coffee black
        i listen to them, i listen to you
        and for everyone there is someone never coming back

        but for all that we've been through
        for all that we've promised
        your wayward direction seems insensible
        words fall off like breathless fish
        all flopping and scattered
        and hearts picked over deemed dispensible

        down at the high tide
        we're there for our last meal
        the broken loaves are still enough for all
        we talk about time
        and we talk about tides
        (under the) the pull of the moon and the deep night coffee black
        i hear the dim roar of the last flight out
        and for someone there is someone never coming back

        we talk about time
        and we talk about tides
        (under the) the pull of the moon and the deep night coffee black

        i hear the dim roar of the last flight out
        and for someone there is someone never coming back

        don't give that girl a gun

        she's got a case against me
        a jury of my peers
        outrage of the righteous
        screaming in her ears
        i'm not dignified anymore
        can't say i didn't call
        when i say i love you
        she don't hear me anymore

        and don't give that girl a gun
        i said don't give that girl a gun
        she's already won, she's already won

        i made a bad connection
        she says i went astray
        jumped ship, abandoned my post
        i didn't think i lost my way

        oh how the mighty fall
        and i saw her crack a smile
        don't got a chance for redemption
        she don't believe in the miracle mile

        take the first shot baby it'll be real clean
        i'm your girl, strong and mean.
        take the second shot baby it'll be real cold
        because i'm your foe.

        and don't give that girl a gun
        i said now don't give that girl a gun
        she's already won, she's already won

        i said hold now me closer
        cause something's happening
        why can't we come together
        she said i doubt we ever will, ever will again

        take the first shot baby it'll be real clean
        i'm your girl, strong and mean.
        take the second shot baby it'll be real cold
        because i'm your foe

        i said don't give that girl a gun
        i said now don't give that girl a gun
        she's already won, she's already won

        i said now don't give that girl a gun
        i said now don't give that girl a gun
        she's already won, she's already won

        it's alright

        it's alright, forty days of rain
        my skin stretched out from the growin' pain
        it'd be nice to have an explanation
        but it's alright

        and it's alright if you hate that way
        you hate me cause i'm different
        you hate me cause i'm gay
        the truth of the matter come around one day
        it's alright

        i look at this life line stretched way all across my hand
        i look at the burned out empty, like a plague across the land
        and for everything i learned, there are two i don't understand
        that's while i'm still on a search
        through the weather strewn church
        i'm doing the best that i can
        and it's alright

        it's alright, though we worry and fuss
        we can't get over the hump, can't get over us
        seems easier to push than to let go and trust
        but it's alright

        when we get a little distant, some things get clearer
        get on the space some hearts grow nearer  (not sure about this line)
        i ran as hard as i could, still ended up here
        and it's alright

        well i look at this life line stretched way all across my hand
        i look at the fires of hatred
        burning up the bounty of this beautiful land
        and i know that i'm small in a way, but i know i'm strong
        and it's my thirst that brought me to the water
        i give it all up as she carries me on
        and it's alright

        and it's alright if i feel afraid
        my plans in pieces, my plans mislaid
        it's the will of the way
        the will of the way
        the will of the only way that could have brought me here today
        and it's alright

        blood quantum  (from honor1)

        you're standing in the blood quantum line
        with a pitcher in your hand
        poured from your heart into your veins
        you said i am, i am, i am

        now measure me, measure me
        tell me where i stand
        allocate my very soul
        like you have my land

        genocide
        genocide

        colonize, you christianize, you patronize, you advertise (you...)

        (you love your genocide?)

        regulate, you assimilate, you appropriate, you...we love to hate you

        genocide (you are a man without a face, you're just a number on a page)
        genocide (you are a woman without a face, we'll just erase you)

        there you are a man without a face, you're just a number on a page
        there you are a woman without a face, we'll just erase you

        conscripted children, torn from truth, to the boarding school station
        force-fed the foreign tongue of fire, imprisoned education
        broken knowledge, pencil-scarred, spit-faced the scarlet (???) sage
        wisdom deep within the rock outlives the pretty lies upon the page

        genocide (how white the snowy graves)
        how red the blood terrain  (???)
        genocide (still pulsing with your dreams)
        above that stubborn stain  (???)

"i don't wanna to wait for heaven
i can find what i need right here on earth this time,
there's too many people only waiting for heaven
let me tell you, if you can't feel it here, you won't feel it there anyway"
     -amy ray

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date:         sat, 26 oct 1996 20:44:03 -0500
reply-to:     maverick ramirez <mavrick@texas.net>
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from:         maverick ramirez <mavrick@texas.net>
subject:      boathouse

i just found this web site(pretty neat!!) has anyone out there been
lucky enough to see the indigo girls at the boathouse in norfolk,
virginia? they performed an awesome show there, a few years back.
                                       penny

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date:         sat, 26 oct 1996 20:48:13 -0700
reply-to:     pat chaney <pooh40@mc.net>
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from:         pat chaney <pooh40@mc.net>
subject:      new stuff

so am i the only one thinkin that now that we all have every show they
did on the demo tour and know how every new tune goes by the time the new
album comes out we're all gonna be complaining cause we wanna hear
some"new" stuff..
boy,,ya just can't please some people..

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date:         sat, 26 oct 1996 21:52:54 -0400
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from:         "sheri e. allen" <seaphish@aol.com>
subject:      ig christmas/ chanukah/ kwanza, etc. present

hi!

just a thought about a possible gift for any obsessed ig fan.  i once bought
a keychain for my boss that has about 6 buttons on it, which when you press
each one, they make different star trek sounds, like one is a phaser and one
is the beaming-up sound.  well anyway, i thought that an ig keychain should
be marketed with 6 or so buttons and when you press them they have a or e
saying some of our favorite quotes, or singing our favorite lyrics.  that
way, we could take them along with us wherever we go!

-sheri :)

p.s. ok, my sig's been modified so it should look normal to those with
netscape- but my fellow aol users are going to see it all squishy and
weird-looking, oh well, you can't please everyone.  oh, and i have a new
email account, if anyone wants to send me some mail there to test it out!

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_    _----_          o   |...when you learn
{ ~\_/    o \   o  o      |to love yourself
{ ~ _  ]    <  o          |you will dissolve
{_~/ \_    _/             |all the stones
       \/--               |that are cast...
seaphish@aol.com         | -amy ray
seallen@sprintmail.com
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date:         sat, 26 oct 1996 23:53:10 -0400
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from:         katy wischow <indirabbit@aol.com>
subject:      re: driving music and fun new igc game :)

y'all, the only reason i got my driver's license this summer was so i could
listen to ig and careen down highways at the same time!  making sure, of
course, not to kill any prairie dogs or rabbits :)
anyway, my fun game of the evening : after spending the afternoon careening
from bookstore to cd store listening to 1200c loudly (hi christy!) i went to
babysit in a very good mood...this 2nd grade girl wanted me to play scrabble
with her, and that gave me an idea!  so after they went to bed i neglected my
studying (probably a bad idea ;) and played my new game - ig scrabble!  more
fun on a board, but on paper very cool too.  everything was song title or
album title words...it entertained me for hours!!!!  this could also be a
sign of obsession, though...:)
too late at night, too much caffeine...
katy

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i want to say before i reply that i have the utmost respect for your
opinions jen, and anything i disagree with is just that, please don't think
that i am universally "right."


>no?  what about all the presidents & vice presidents trying to control
>women's lives and reproductive choices?..

i'll assume you're talking about abortion.  fine, a man can't have a baby.
that's that.  but let's face it, there are many people, both male and
female, who are demanding abortion laws.  who else is in executive power in
these united states?  skirting my reasons for being pro-choice, laws must be
made regarding abortion, legalizing or illegalizing.  men are the people who
are going to make these laws mostly.  there is nothing to be said for that.
if you're only concern is the abortion issue, then find a bunch of similar
minded people, get a cantidate out there, and see if she gets elected.
democracy is a horrible system, it's just about eight times better than
anything else that's out there.  (from "stranger in a strange land")

>1. i find many of your statements very problematic. to me, it reeks of
>american cultural self-righteousness and colonialism, that a country which
>failed to "accept" "western ideas" became nothing, and was, in turn, invaded
>by a country which did "accept" western ideas?

i apologize for my diction on that one.  nothing was the incorrect word.  i
was reffering to china's position in international affairs, and it's
strength as a nation.  if those facts, however, are untrue, then i take them
back, however, unless i have been taught blatant lies, which, even in this
self-righteous country's educational system, i doubt is true.

>so, what is your take-home message with that?  that countries which do
>"accept" western ideas are better off and more powerful??  you stated "it
>doesn't matter who's idea it is", but by the very nature and content of your
>example, the issue of "accepting" or "not accepting" western ideas
>is the key point.  also, was the invasion of china soley a result of
>japan's "acceptance" of western ideas???

again, i lay my neck on the block if my facts are bold-facedly false.  my
message (first of all had nothing to do with asia, other than as a metaphor)
was that if a body (i used china as a real-life example) does not accept a
concept that will improve them (in this case, western technology) they will
not evolve.  as for the invasion of china, yes, it was solely based on
japan's acceptance of western ideas.  if they had not adopted western
thought, they would still be fighting in their dynastic feudal system.  am i
saying the system was inherently bad? no, simply that they would certainly
have perished had they remained as such.

>2. yes, you might be learning about china and japan in school...but think
>about where you are learning it. be critical. we all know that american
>education has been - and continues to be - problematic in terms of race
>relations.  native americans are not the only communities whose
>real histories are completely erased by "mainstream" education.
>histories of asia (particularly east asia = china, korea, japan) have
>existed primarly in the minds of american and european colonialism.
>they are "foreign" countries that need to be "given" western thoughts,
>ideas, values, in order to come to our level of "power".  our idea of the
>"global village" is that other countries become just like us.

personally, i disagree with the confucian model of inequality.  but i don't
deny that it did work.  i don't deny that china was the most advanced nation
in the world until the renaissance, when it began it's loss of power.  very
simply, a nation of peace-loving people, who have never thought of fighting,
will be taken over by the next imperial psychotic.  it doesn't make a
country better to accept modern technology and thought, but it will keep
them from going under.  a sword will not cleave through a tank.

>yes, personally, i "toss" around words like dyke, queer, bi, lesbian, gay,
>transgender, for attention.  i am loud about being a korean american
>bi-queer s/m dyke because in this society, every day, my ethnicity and
>sexual orientation are erased, minimalized, insulted, ignored, rejected,
>marginalized, etc etc. i am loud because i'm proud, because i want
>everyone to know that the world is not only a white hetereosexual male
>space, and because i see it as a form of justicemaking, and liberation.  for
>me, it's about survival.  if i let myself be silent, then i'll disappear.
>i'll be assimilated into a system which oppresses me, which hates me as i am.

i never said be silent.  silence is death, ask the 6 million jews who
perished in the jewish holocaust.  but that doesn't mean be loud, because
you will lose your voice.  you are right, people erase, minimalize, insult,
ignore, reject and marginalize your ethnicity and orientation every day, and
your not going to fix that by being "loud."  that's what your oppressors
want you to do.  if they can see that you're nothing but a korean american
bi-queer s/m dyke (may i use those words?) you're obviously nothing like
they are.  you have no similaritys.  and lets face it folks, people don't
parade around because they want sea lions to vote.  that's what they see
when all they see is your ethnicity and orientation.  you become nothing but
a stereotype.  it's easy to hate what you don't understand.  the reason so
many nazi's were able to kill so many was because they thought they were
killing people who weren't people.  they thought they were killing vermin.
and that's all they thought they were.  that's all people see when the
volume of your ethnicity and orientation deafens them to who you are.
gay...errrr, queer and korean american, that's what you are, it's an
attribute.  but who are you?  i can say you're jen haejin kim, an
intelligent, free thinker, who has seen much adversity, and has overcome it.
someone who is proud of who she is.  someone who has the excellent taste to
like the indigo girls  :)  but they can't.  all they can say is, at best,
"she's that lesbian who keeps talking about being gay and korean."  at
worst, "this is why society is falling apart, people like this, nothing but
sick, demented foreigners, are destroying us."  that's all they can see...

>i'm not gay.  i'm queer.  :)
>and, yes let us also accept that many people in the america, the world,
>are lesbian/gay/bi/transgender. let us even accept that most of them are.

i don't know the numbers, nor the terminology (what *is* the difference
between gay and queer?)

>yes, but when someone calls me a "fuckin dyke" or a "greasy chink", i
>dont have the "choice" of "taking off my clothes".  they're taken off,
>ripped off, for me. i'm stripped involuntarily of my own personal comfort,
>my own personal safety.  and that's the difference.  i dont "wear clothes" for
>fashion, or to be witty - i do it for my protection, for my *comfort*.

i've been told that that's a very unhealthy attitude.  the reason i say i'm
told is because it is the same one i share, to a degree.  i am incredibly
self-depricating most of the time.  but that's just it.  it's denial.  if
you say it, then the other people who say it are too late, you've taken care
of it first.  i think it's really a "yea though i walk through the valley of
death" type thing.  i'm not saying turn the other cheek, but i am saying
that, if it's bad when someone else says it, it's bad when you say it.

>the words i "toss" around are important to me in a way you might not
>understand because you might not be a "member" of a marginalized
>population. i "toss" them around because they give language, a meaning,
>to my existence, to my experience.

i'm not sure i grok...  i think you're agreeing with me there...  you're
saying that you are defined not by jennifer, but by dyke and queer?  print
is a hard medium...  but i don't see what you're saying if not that.

>as someone who constantly experiences some form of queer-phobia or
>racism, the phrase "we're all the same....can't we just get along?"
>doesn't apply to me. to me, it says, "let's forget what makes you you....
>it doesn't matter.  i want you to be the same as me."  well, my
>queerness, my ethnicity *is* important to me, it *is* a part of me, and i
>dont want it to be ignored.

yes and no.  i see that it is important to you, and it is a part of you're
"me."  it is not part of your "i".  queerness, ethnicity, clothes, looks,
it's all superficial.  it has no direct correlation with who you is.  jen
kim is a person.  that korean dyke is an animal.  i don't mean to belittle
the componenents of what you are, but they are only factors in who you are.
people can only be classified by what they are.  if you don't want to be
oppressed, stop making yourself a "what."

>i am not trying to "separate" myself, i've already been separated.....in
>trying to humanize myself and my existence, i am then separated by others.
>i, as an asian american bi-queer dyke woman, do not have that same
>priveledge of taking for granted that i'm "humanized".

from everything i've seen thus far, i infer that you are trying to seperate
yourself.  you seem to want to be thought of as a group of people, a
stereotype, not jennifer.  it's a chicken or the egg type of thing, you have
been seperated, so you seperate yourself.  by trying to classify yourself
and your existence, you are seperated, by trying to humanize, you make
yourself like those who hate you.  but they will not hate themselves.  it
isn't the nature of the beast.  you are a person, not a classification.

>have you ever lived as a queer person of color?  i dont think so.  i
>certainly have never lived as a white heterosexual male.  nor can i ever.
>and, because i do not know your full experience, i will not assume to
>tell you what to do. it's all about hearing people where they are....
>not expecting them to come to the same place you are.

the experience of a white heterosexual male is different from that of a
queer person of color.  i admit that freely, but the experience of one human
is the same as that of another.  i have different issues from you.  but, as
it's painfully obvious, i ain't thee.

>i didn't make myself a category.  this white, heterosexual male dominated
>society made *me* a category.  it defines me.  it's how other people see
>me.  when i walk into a room, i'm not seen as "jen"....i'm seen as an
>asian woman dyke-looking freak (orange&red hair, nose ring).  those are
>all categories.  the difference between those categories and categories
>of "male, white, heterosexual" is that "minority" categories are
>marginalized, discriminated against, and oppressed.

and many of the discriminated discriminate just the same.  you did make
yourself a target...  i can't stress that enough.  you were made a target
that you make yourself.  even if it's an uncomfortable place, it feels good
to have your own niche...

>i'm already a target for sexists, homophobes, and racist bigots.
>i certainly didn't wake up one day and say "hey....i want to be a target.
>i want to be oppressed. yeah...that's how we'll acheive justice."

as you are already a target, perhaps it's an indication that the present
modus operandi of blatant proclamation isn't working.  perhaps you didn't
think about it that way, but one can only be oppressed if one chooses to be.

>and what is the "global community"?  does it exist?  am i an equal part it??

i hate the look of that.  it reminds me of a combined aol/apple internet
project, but the "global community" is the human race.  i don't know if your
familiar with the term water-brother (i've decided that "stranger" is my
favorite book ever), but let it suffice to say that brother is not sex
indicative in this particular sense.  of course this brotherhood exists.
everyone is entitled to equal part in it.  that doesn't mean that people
take it.

>yes, it would be strange. becuase it doesn't need to be said in our
>society.  queers and "minorities" are not always perceived to be, or
>*treated as* "normal" people.  so, i gotta keep reminding everyone else
>that i'm not subhuman.

my point is that neither does being gay need to be said, nor white, black,
asian, blue, red, purple, male or female.  this won't come across right, but
i'll say it anyway.  being gay and being straight is the same thing.  a
sexual orientation.  that's all.  for everyone who took biology, remember
the "kids play cards on fat green stools?"  that was an acronym for kingdom
phylum class order genus species.  that's the breakdown for classification
of organisms.  there's a similar method here:

                                human
                                  |
                                  |
                                 sex
                                  |
                                  |
                              ethnicity
                                  |
                                  |
                              orientation

those are the basics.  i could go deeper, but i won't.  the point here is
that everything there is inclusive of that below it.  human includes
everything.  making a big deal about your orientation has only that, a lower
level, by my diagram.  the more of the things you make yourself, the more
you will be accepted.  say you're a gay female korean.  many can identify
with your being female, which makes you that much more tangible to them.
then less will be able to grasp you being a korean female, and even less as
a korean female lesbian.  but, if you make yourself a human, and not just a
korean female lesbian, then you skip all the overhead crap that's involved.
make friends with a person, not their sex or ethnicity or preference.

>i "yell" so that i can hear an echo.....so that i know that there are
>other voices out there like mine, other people who understand and share
>struggles.

you have heard an echo, from others, and from me.  but what others have seen
is someone yelling to hear her own voice.  i tell you now, i share your
struggle.  i am not in your cabin, but i'm in the same boat.  you are my
equal, and my brother, and when you are wronged, i am.  i understand
persecution; i've been persecuted for worse than a group.  i've been
persecuted because of who i was.  i was persecuted because i was alec.  i
understand, and i share your struggle.

alec

never thirst.

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from:         "peter a. barta" <bartap@bulldog.georgetown.edu>
subject:      re: geko end of october deals
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y'all know the drill. send gecko back a few copies. they'll get the idea.

on sat, 26 oct 1996 grmorrison@aol.com wrote:

> let"s shut down this surver and the list. no one wants this crap
>
>
>
>
>
> >subject:     re: geko end of october deals
> >sent:        10/26/96 11:44 am
> >received:    10/26/96 7:59 am
> >from:        gjg@jolt.mpx.com.au
> >to:          accounts@geko.net.au
> >cc:          sales-list@zonk.geko.net.au
> >
> >from:  gjg@jolt.mpx.com.au (gordon garradd)
> >to:    accounts@geko.net.au (geko accounts)
> >cc:    sales-list@zonk.geko.net.au
> >
> >so what use is this to me in tamworth?
> >
> >
> >
> >on sat, 26 oct 1996, geko accounts wrote:
> >
> >> hey guys,
> >>
> >> just a reminder that if you bring a friend to geko, your account gets
> >> credited with $20!
> >>
> >> also until the end of october if you take up a years flat fee subscription
> >> we will throw in an extra month free, so for $365 you get 13 months
> >> internet access. thats less than $1 a day!
> >>
> >> note: this offer only applies to the sydney area.
> >>
> >> so hurry and contact alison in accounts on ph. (02) 9439 1999 or email
> >> accounts@geko.net.au before the end of halloween night (31/10/96) !
> >>
> >> ""this deal rocks""
> >>
> >> regards
> >> alison dooley
> >> geko accounts
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >----------------------- headers --------------------------------
> >from gjg@jolt.mpx.com.au  sat oct 26 07:45:15 1996
> >return-path: gjg@jolt.mpx.com.au
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> >1996 07:45:01 -0400
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"everything that i believe,             "i want to live as an honest man,
crawls from underneath the streets.      to get all i deserve,
everything i truly love,                 and to give all i can,
comes from somewhere high above."        and to love a young woman
                                         that i don't understand."
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catherine diederich wrote:
>
> ok so if i am this nonchalant when ig come to town i'll be left with
> nothin!  last night shila and i realized that m.e. was coming to
> portland on dec. 15, tics on sale today at 9 am. i casually went to buy
> them at 9 and waited oh, 15 minutes with 10 other women to leave with
> floor seats, 16th row center!!  i feel lucky today! i figured to wait at
> least an hour and maybe be able to kinda see her.  it looks though like
> i need to refine my skills for when the girls roll around! so, how would
> one go about making a boot of this concert? i have never done this.  is
> the 16th row too far back for taping? (duh, i honestly have no clue)
> would love some help with this! thanks
>                                 catherine and (signing for)shila...she likes to be included, but
> works way too much!

this is the second try to post this, if it happened to appear twice or
look like a quote.

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from:         sundara <smurphy@ups.edu>
subject:      aaack!!!  1200 curfews ????'s

oh no!!!!  i'm in a state of turmoil!!!  i was listening to my cbc
broadcast of the concert in winnipeg, may 13, 1995,  and before galileo,
there is the same intro as on 1200 curfews,  the whole moo thing we know
and love,  so being thrilled that i had the boot of one of the songs that's
on 1200 curfews, i looked in the liner just to see the name of the show, so
i could be smug in the fact that i had that boot,  but, instead of saying
winnipeg,  it says it was recorded live at shepherd's bush empire in
london, england on 11/21/94!!  oh my!!!  what's going on here??? and they
don't sound like the same song. is this a mistake??  the radio announcer on
my boot clearly says, winnipeg.  i don't get it.  who is right?  the 1200
curfews liner,  or my boot?  but wait, the plot thickens...

so i looked closer at the liner, and it says this train revised was
recorded in winnipege on 5/13/95 for cbc radio,  but this train revised
isn't on the boot!!!  now maybe it got edited out for time's sake or
something,  but my boot sounds like the whole show...hmmm....

and there's more!!!  least complicted from 1200 curfews is supposedly
recorded at the tower theater in philadelphia, pa on 4/26/95,  so i was
listening to that,  and my boot doesn't have the "you have to laugh at
yourself cause you'd cry your eyes out if you didn't"  intro.  instead,
emily has the crowd practice the na na na na's.

can anyone explain this???  i'm so upset.  is the whole 1200 curfews liner
a bunch of lies???  (i know, that sounds like blasphemy)  or are all my
boots a bunch of lies??? aack!!!

peace, love, and purple,
the one and only...sundarling!

"nobody puts baby in the corner..."

                patrick swayze

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subject:      honor 1...an apology

so there i was...tired and cranky... ragging
about the amount of media coverage for
honor 1 and  i totally stuck my foot in my
mouth and came off like i was bitching about
the staff at daemon (whom i dearly love !),
when i was really mad at mtv and rolling stone
and others who i think should be doing cover stories
about this great cd.

i simply must say that i am completely full of shit,
and am very sorry for being a jerk :(

i love you guys at daemon !!!!! and the cat that sleeps
on the t-shirts !! if you like i will go to new york and pester
mtv until they do a special on honor 1 (i think that
would be much more interesting than madonna's baby)
maybe that's not such a great idea as they would probably
have me arrested :)

i took some heat for that post..and i deserved it.
*sigh*
sorry !
love !
butthead binky
(i will now go and order two h1 cd's from hte.)
"..it's a long road....can i still be forgiven ?"
(ray)

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subject:      joseph meets a&e

<<or how about them being religiously equal in their choice of andrew lloyd
weber musicals? how does joseph & the amazing technicolor dreamcoat start
again? surely there must be several references to the land of canaan! let us
see, now amy could star as joseph and emily could be potiphar's wife or the
narrator-possibilities are endless!>>

yeah, yeah!  how about the line "jacob lived in the land of canaan" from
"jacob and sons" & the song "those canaan days"?  e should definitely be
the narrator & a should be joseph...

andi

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from:         indigo jo <mts5@aber.ac.uk>
subject:      re: aaack!!!  1200 curfews ????'s
x-to:         sundara <smurphy@ups.edu>
in-reply-to:  <v01530509ae98aa6763b0@[192.220.223.76]>

on sat, 26 oct 1996, sundara wrote:

> and love,  so being thrilled that i had the boot of one of the songs that's
> on 1200 curfews, i looked in the liner just to see the name of the show, so
> i could be smug in the fact that i had that boot,  but, instead of saying
> winnipeg,  it says it was recorded live at shepherd's bush empire in
> london, england on 11/21/94!!  oh my!!!  what's going on here??? and they
> don't sound like the same song. is this a mistake??  the radio announcer on
> my boot clearly says, winnipeg.  i don't get it.  who is right?  the 1200
> curfews liner,  or my boot?  but wait, the plot thickens...

well your boots are not a bunch of lies, because i was at the shepherds'
bush show in november 1994, and they definitely did not give that intro
that night.   i was under the impression though, that that song might have
come from the gig at the same venue the following night (which was
recorded for the bbc, featuring an impromptu performance from a local tin
whistle player on "closer to fine" ...) but since your boots say
otherwise, it clearly wasn't.

mat

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date:         sun, 27 oct 1996 05:35:00 -0800
reply-to:     dragonman <djarrell@ix16.ix.netcom.com>
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subject:      re: aaack!!!  1200 curfews ????'s

sundarling wrote:

*stuff about inconsistencies in 1200 liner notes delete*

>can anyone explain this???  i'm so upset.  is the whole 1200 curfews liner
>a bunch of lies???  (i know, that sounds like blasphemy)  or are all my
>boots a bunch of lies??? aack!!!

you can calm down now. :)  it has been confirmed that ig matched their
favorite intros to their favorite song performances for the best total
effect on 1200.  so while the performance of galileo is really from london,
the intro is apparently from winnipeg.  we went throught this discussion
soon after 1200 was released.  as far as anyone knows, the liner notes are
correct about the venues where the actual songs were recorded.

do you really think that (our near perfect) ig could ever make that big a
mistake??!!  :-)

:dwayne

djarrell@ix.netcom.com
"you can spend your time alone redigesting past regrets,
or you can realize you're the only one who can forgive yourself
makes much more sense to live in the present tense" - pearl jam

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date:         sun, 27 oct 1996 05:39:20 -0800
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subject:      intros on 1200

hey!

i was just thinking about my response to sundara's dilemma, and i had an
interesting idea.  (i don't think this has been suggested before, but i
could be wrong.)  we should compile a comprehensive list of which shows the
introductions to all the songs on 1200 come from.  i think that would be
interesting.

so here is my suggestion.  if any one out there has the boot with any of the
introductions on it, please e-mail me with the city, venue, and date of that
show so i can keep a complete list and post it later.  (please note that
this information does not need to got to the list - i will compile the
information first.)

so, start sending those venues and dates....  :-)

:dwayne

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or you can realize you're the only one who can forgive yourself
makes much more sense to live in the present tense" - pearl jam

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date:         sun, 27 oct 1996 09:53:12 -0500
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from:         sasha friedman <indigofrk@aol.com>
subject:      re: what about us jewish fans?

>i would think the girls would do most of those hebrew folk songs...  ya
>know, the really haunting melody type ones... really well...  i could see
>them jamming with debby friedman too...  then there's lechi lach... that
>would work....  but even hatikvah could have an interesting indigo twist...
>

oh i can definitely see a & e jamming to debbie friedman....

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subject:      newbie

hello:
        i am hopefully a new addition to the indigo girls mailing list.
i have been a fan for years, but til now havent done anything about
it...just listened to their albums...bought the video tapes.....wanted
really bad to go to one of their concerts.  that brings me to my
desire......where can i find a list of future concert dates, so far i
have found websites with all of the past dates.....really annoying to
find they have played the baltimore area and i didnt know...i'm looking
to avoid future annoyance by actually seeing them in person.  i would
greatly appreciate any assistane anyone could provide me.  their sony
website is pretty, but pretty much useless as well. i'm not trying to
offend anyone if you like that site, thats just how i feel about it.

i am looking forward to hearing from all, or most, or some of you.

don   @ dmwatts@erols.com

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date:         sun, 27 oct 1996 10:46:03 -0500
reply-to:     alec <alec@pipeline.com>
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from:         alec <alec@pipeline.com>
subject:      nigc: taking it to private email
x-to:         jennifer haejin kim <jkim12@sph.emory.edu>

any responses i make to these emails regarding the "nigc: being proud"
thread will be in private email.  sorry to clog the list,

apologetically yours,

alec

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from:         sunny <sun@swcp.com>
subject:      more damage and video

>so am i the only one thinkin that now that we all have every show they
>did on the demo tour and know how every new tune goes by the time the new
>album comes out we're all gonna be complaining cause we wanna hear
>some"new" stuff..
>boy,,ya just can't please some people..

    yea, and i'm gonna do more damage to the situation by trying to get
a  map "live" tape done of all the best versions of the new songs from the
demo tour boots.  i'm making a list of songs now and saving all the lyrics
posts (thanks jenn), but i'm working on the video compilation for the list
first.  i finally came up with a title, i'm gonna call it  on the road to
austin.  i think it will be about 3 hours long.  the only problem that i'm
having is that i would very much like the european listees to be able to
view a copy, and i have a video dubber for that branch already, but to
convert a video from us format to pal format will cost around $45 for 3
hours.  unfortunately, i personally do not have this money, i just quit my
job 2 months ago to become a full time potter and so i am the starving
artist type.  i am open to ideas as to how we can get this accomplished
(carolyn, did anyone answer your pal problem?).
     so it is unseasonably cold and snowing here in albuquerque, nm which
makes it the perfect time to stay home, pop popcorn, and wade through hours
of video to choose the best moments, coming soon to a home theater near
you......   :)


                        --sunny

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date:         sun, 27 oct 1996 11:00:44 -0500
reply-to:     mark anthony donajkowski <madonajk@alpha.delta.edu>
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write the postmaster of it ie postmaster@zonk.geko.net.au

on sat, 26 oct 1996, tritessa wrote:

> just thought you all should read this. i responded to whoever this is,
> frankly rather p.o.ed to receive this kind of solicitation. this is the
> response i got. does anyone know who i could register a complaint with or
> take action?
>
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> date: sun, 27 oct 1996 01:48:37 +1000 (est)
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> to: tritessa <gsajaf@noctrl.edu>
> subject: re: geko end of october deals
>
> get a life.
>
> > what the hell is this and why are you sending it to our list? most
> > of us are in the united states. spam me with this kind of crap again and
> > action will be taken.
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from:         "amy j. putnam" <pegasus@crl.com>
subject:      re: nigc: being proud
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in-reply-to:  <1.5.4.32.19961027030307.006cc714@pop.pipeline.com>

>
> i'll assume you're talking about abortion.  fine, a man can't have a baby.
> that's that.  but let's face it, there are many people, both male and
> female, who are demanding abortion laws.  who else is in executive power in
> these united states?  skirting my reasons for being pro-choice, laws must be
> made regarding abortion, legalizing or illegalizing.  men are the people who
> are going to make these laws mostly.  there is nothing to be said for that.

what relevance is there to the fact that men cant have babies and yet,
\as you say, they make the laws?  what that means is that we need more
women in office.  so, there *is* something to be said for that...the
wrong people are getign all of the power to enact laws around
reproductive freedom.

> again, i lay my neck on the block if my facts are bold-facedly false.  my
> message (first of all had nothing to do with asia, other than as a metaphor)
> was that if a body (i used china as a real-life example) does not accept a
> concept that will improve them (in this case, western technology) they will
> not evolve.  as for the invasion of china, yes, it was solely based on
> japan's acceptance of western ideas.  if they had not adopted western
> thought, they would still be fighting in their dynastic feudal system.  am i
> saying the system was inherently bad? no, simply that they would certainly
> have perished had they remained as such.

yuou are makinf the same mistake here agian, assuming that western
techonology is "better".  maybe it is more common and works well for
many people, but this does not mean that everyone has to adopt to to have
worthwhile societies.  i dont know much about the evolution of china
as you are discussin it, but i can recognize ethnocentrism whjen i see
it.

> i never said be silent.  silence is death, ask the 6 million jews who
> perished in the jewish holocaust.  but that doesn't mean be loud, because
> you will lose your voice.  you are right, people erase, minimalize, insult,
> ignore, reject and marginalize your ethnicity and orientation every day, and
> your not going to fix that by being "loud."  that's what your oppressors
> want you to do.  if they can see that you're nothing but a korean american

you are so wrong here.  being loud is too often the only way to make
ourselves visible.  while i am not in teh same position as jen, i can speak
to my own experience that being loud has sometimes been teh only way
to get myself seen/heard.  our oppressors fdo nto want us to be loud,
i donmt knwo where you get that.  our being loud, in their faces,
means they have to deal with their prejudice and oppression and i
can assure you that this is not on their agenda. what i guess (please
let me knw if i am wrong, jen), is that people only see jen as
korean american and tehrefore pigeonhole her into some one dimensional
caricature of what a korean american is.  she needs to be loud to show them
how wrong they are about her.  to a lesser degree, this happened to me
in college.  being a lesbian, it was automatically assumed i as a numbner
of other things as well.  people stopped thinking when these things popped
into their heads, so i had to be loud to correctr them.

> a stereotype.  it's easy to hate what you don't understand.  the reason so
> many nazi's were able to kill so many was because they thought they were
> killing people who weren't people.  they thought they were killing vermin.

becuase those people were not able to raise their voices about their
lives.

> like the indigo girls  :)  but they can't.  all they can say is, at best,
> "she's that lesbian who keeps talking about being gay and korean."  at
> worst, "this is why society is falling apart, people like this, nothing but
> sick, demented foreigners, are destroying us."  that's all they can see...

you are blaming jen for her own opression here...claming that it is because
she is making noise that people dismiss her.  this is a seriously flawed
way of thinkjing.  poeple who refuse to open their minds uip to who
jen is, who any oppressed individual is, perpetuate terh system.  it is
not the oppressee's fault.

>
> i've been told that that's a very unhealthy attitude.  the reason i say i'm
> told is because it is the same one i share, to a degree.  i am incredibly
> self-depricating most of the time.  but that's just it.  it's denial.  if
> you say it, then the other people who say it are too late, you've taken care
> of it first.  i think it's really a "yea though i walk through the valley of
> death" type thing.  i'm not saying turn the other cheek, but i am saying
> that, if it's bad when someone else says it, it's bad when you say it.

uh uh.  not at all.  it is reclaming language.  dyke, for example, is
thought by many to be a negative term, so is queer.  by proiudly
using these words to describe ourselves, we are turning the tables
and reclaming the words.  this si very different from saying self deprecating
things.  very difernt. self deprecation is kowtowing to a negative.
claiming ourselves queer dykes is making the power our own.

> people can only be classified by what they are.  if you don't want to be
> oppressed, stop making yourself a "what."

this would imply that we all become part of "accepted" terms.  we have to
classify ourselves to stake out our own space and be recognized as uniqwue
individuals, apart from the "mainstream".  opression does not end with
assimilation.  oppression ends with eduaction about "other".

> been seperated, so you seperate yourself.  by trying to classify yourself
> and your existence, you are seperated, by trying to humanize, you make
> yourself like those who hate you.  but they will not hate themselves.  it
> isn't the nature of the beast.  you are a person, not a classification.

we are trttying to humanize words that have been used to dehumnanize
us.

> and many of the discriminated discriminate just the same.  you did make
> yourself a target...  i can't stress that enough.  you were made a target
> that you make yourself.  even if it's an uncomfortable place, it feels good
> to have your own niche...

your logic defiees me, here.

> indicative in this particular sense.  of course this brotherhood exists.
> everyone is entitled to equal part in it.  that doesn't mean that people
> take it.

so why are we using male defined terms to all of a sudden become
inclusive, instead of creating a neutral term for the same purpose?

> i'll say it anyway.  being gay and being straight is the same thing.  a
> sexual orientation.  that's all.  for everyone who took biology, remember

it's not the same thing.  not while gays cant get married, can get arrested
for having consensual sex (sodomoy is still illegal in many states)/.
we get basehd for being gay, we can be legally discriminated aginst.
gay and straight are not at all the same.

> a korean female lesbian.  but, if you make yourself a human, and not just a
> korean female lesbian, then you skip all the overhead crap that's involved.
> make friends with a person, not their sex or ethnicity or preference.

and if we strip ourselces of wha makes us different, we become what we are
not, part of who we are not.  weneed those differences to remain ourselves
and it is not up to us to make ourselves more palatable to the rest.
it is up to them to confront their own discomfort about all of our "labels".


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pegasus@crl.com            \     /      when you're alone
monk@world.std.com          \   /
the original photo monk      \ /                --patty larkin

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date:         sun, 27 oct 1996 11:24:50 -0500
reply-to:     mark anthony donajkowski <madonajk@alpha.delta.edu>
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from:         mark anthony donajkowski <madonajk@alpha.delta.edu>
subject:      flames dykes queers and gypsy etc

all im gonna say right now is if amy and emily joined this list right now
they would shake their head and unsubscribe at all the flames going on

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date:         sun, 27 oct 1996 22:10:45 -1400
reply-to:     peter rich <prich@mpx.com.au>
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from:         peter rich <prich@mpx.com.au>
subject:      re: geko end of october deals
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at 03:15 pm 26/10/96 +1000, you wrote:
>hey guys,
>
>just a reminder that if you bring a friend to geko, your account gets
>credited with $20!
>
>also until the end of october if you take up a years flat fee subscription
>we will throw in an extra month free, so for $365 you get 13 months
>internet access. thats less than $1 a day!
>
>note: this offer only applies to the sydney area.
>
>so hurry and contact alison in accounts on ph. (02) 9439 1999 or email
>accounts@geko.net.au before the end of halloween night (31/10/96) !
>
>""this deal rocks""
>
>regards
>alison dooley
>geko accounts
>
>
like all the other respondents, i do not wish to be on your list.  please
remove my name now!

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date:         sun, 27 oct 1996 08:55:08 -0800
reply-to:     "kim: goddess in her own reality" <rcn@prcn.org>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "kim: goddess in her own reality" <rcn@prcn.org>
subject:      re: flames dykes queers and gypsy etc

at 11:24 am 10/27/96 -0500, mark wrote:
>all im gonna say right now is if amy and emily joined this list right now
>they would shake their head and unsubscribe at all the flames going on
>
i've got to say that when i joined this list, i wasn't sure what it was
going to be like. i thought the folks on here would be fans of the girls +
their music + talk about amy and emily, and this song and that song, and
this concert and that concert, and this cd and that cd... your basic "fan
stuff". i was brand new to e-mail + lists, and didn't know a thing about
flames etc. but i sure caught on fast:-)
i've learned a lot through all the flamage + debate on here, and i've really
been made to think... and think hard on a lot of things that never really
occurred to me before. i know that all this discussion + debate has very
little to do with what i thought the list was going to be... and very little
to do with what others probably think it should be... it is very value able
debate however, and since both e + a are gay, it does in some way relate to
them... it would be nice though, if there were another list dedicated to
this particular forum for those of us who enjoy it and who don't mind ( or
rather, have to worry about ) a huge bunch of basically nigc e-mail...
as long as the flames remain impassioned + respectful ( unlike a couple i've
been guilty of sending... achem... sorry gregg ) i'm not so sure a + e would
unsubscribe... they might be heartened by the debates etc that their music +
pride in their identity has inspired...
i'm not advocating big nigc discussion on here... just saying how i've been
affected by it.
peace all... kim ( the tarnished goddess )
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
      <just kim>rcn@prcn.org
"i'm running with scissors!!!!!!!"
---------------justkim---------------
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>

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date:         sun, 27 oct 1996 15:58:12 +0100
reply-to:     mladen bosnjak <zip_swe@dataphone.se>
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from:         mladen bosnjak <zip_swe@dataphone.se>
subject:      how the heck did i got involved????
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stop this crap!!!

i live in sweden.

i just wonder how i got involved.
why should i change internet-provider, especially an australian???
beats me!

mladen bosnjak

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date:         sun, 27 oct 1996 12:41:52 -0600
reply-to:     abigail <abaroo@execpc.com>
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from:         abigail <abaroo@execpc.com>
subject:      ig photos

thought i'd take a stab at starting a nice, kind, igc thread! one nice thing
ig have done is provide us with a lot of quality photos of them in their
albums and songbooks. so my question is, what are your favorite ig photos?
do any of them really move you like they do for me?
i'll start out by picking one of my faves, which is in, i believe the
"indigo girls" songbook, and it's of amy and emily outside, at night,
standing in the shadow of what looks like a watertower.

on a random note, does anybody know what's happening in the photo from the
"ig" songbook where a woman on a couch with emily seems to be trimming her
nosehairs or something? we could have a lot of fun creating a fill in the
caption contest for that shot, but that's another thread!

here's to nonflamage!

:)abigail

"i will not be....

a pawn" ~emily saliers

afraid of women" ~dar williams

complacent!!!" ~amy ray

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from:         steven sim kok leong <simkokle@iscs.nus.sg>
subject:      please stop all mailing once and for all.
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hi everyone,

        at the rate the complains flow in, i think the mails are going to
flood everyone's mailbox sooner or later. this is much worse than receiving
that one single advertising mail. :|

        for the sake of everyone, let us cooperate and stop the flow of
complains and put an end to this list. :)

        thanks gratefully.

ps. any flames, comments or criticisms please direct to /dev/null. thanks :)

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x-to:         zip_swe@dataphone.se, accounts@geko.net.au,
              sales-list@zonk.geko.net.au

i got about 8 messages from the original message, now am getting the
complaints aimed at you.  i am in the us, so take me off this mess too!!

hi to sweeden, feel free to e-mail me, i am selling nothing!   love your
country.

acckkkk!!!

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subject:      re: ig photos

one of my favorite is the back of nis where they apear to be bursting out
laughing.  also from 1200 curfews, amy in motion with her stratocaster.  i
loooooove it...

peace
sasha

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subject:      sigc-rent and globe headline

i also think this could be under the thread
"you know you are an obsessed ig fan when..."

today in the boston globe there was the headline
"rent: bound for glory"
and since i am a huge rent fan i wanted to
sing a few of those songs in my head,
but i couldnt, cause all i could do was sing,
"this train is bound...."
*sigh* now if i could only find a friend
in the area to see rent with me
so i can not go alone!!!

humming and singing ig
while walking down a leaf strewn street...
anjeanette

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no! i am not prince hamlet, nor was meant to be;
am an attendant lord, one that will do
to swell a progress, start a scene or two,
advise the prince; no doubt, an easy tool,
deferential, glad to be of use,
politic, cautious, and meticulous;
full of high sentence, but a bit obtuse;
at times, indeed, almost ridiculous-
almost, at times, the fool.

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subject:      re: ig photos
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oohhh!
i looove the picture on the inside of the rop songbook on the first page
of the guitar section...  emily's playing away and amy's kind of staring
off into space, like, "here we go again..."   awww!

-mandy

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my fave is from the tourbook, the rop i guess, where emily is standing
against a firehose and is making a peace sign?  anyone know that one?  i
think she's in a yellow shirt and blue shorts, and the wall she's
against is white, and it always just makes me happy to see it!

and besides that, i believe that to be one of the best emily pictures!!!
anyone agree?
renee

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subject:      query?

hey all:
        as i am new to this..i have a probably really stupid question to
ask....i have always wondered if a & e were lovers...i have known they
were gay..but i wonder if they were together...........i dont have any
of the songbooks, yet...just all of the albums, and 1 video.........so,
please forgive my ignorance.

don watts

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subject:      ig hat (culd be under"obsessed" thread)

   yesterday, i bought a very cool american outfitters cap, and it's faded
navy and it looks something like this: <ae> (in italics). it looks like it
has a boomerang on either side. anyhoo, (ig content coming up) i was looking
at it today (admiring my purchase), and i thought, "hey...cool...an ig cap."
see? amy, emily. blue. igc? uhh... nevermind.

peace,
margot

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subject:      the gift of music

this is my first time posting to the list, as i have only been a member
for about a week, but i have been an ig fan ever since their video for
ctf came out many years ago.  ig music inspired me to learn to play the
guitar, which eventually led to a stint in a local band as lead singer
and rhythm guitarist.  we only played one gig and eventually broke up,
but the enjoyment i get from playing will last a lifetime, and i have ig
music to thank for it.  anyway, i was wondering if there are any others
out there who learned to play guitar as a direct result of hearing ig.
i apologize if this is something that has been discussed before - as i
said, i am new here.  p.s.  i also learned how to sing harmony from
listening to a & e.  can anyone relate?  carrie

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subject:      ig photos

well i have two faves ... both from the indigo girls songbook .... they're in
the center of the book - where there's the photo of "amy ray - held over by
popular demand" (gotta love that too ...)  ... but my faves are the one with
them sitting on the stairs (actually amy's kinda laying) - and a has her
fingers right there at her mouth ....  *sigh*   ......... and of course the
otehr b&w shot on the page before - of them standing against a blackboard
with writing on it - a staring into the camera and e looking away .......

hmmmm .... i think i need to go get my songbooks out .........

chris

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from:         "sheri e. allen" <seaphish@aol.com>
subject:      re: ig photos

in a message dated 96-10-27 13:33:27 est, abaroo@execpc.com (abigail) writes:

>  so my question is, what are your favorite ig photos?

i'd have to say that of the photos i've seen (and i don't own any of the
songbooks) i like the nis back photo.  i think they look like they're just
having a lot of fun with the shoot.  i was thinking about this recently, how
it seems like with the release of nis, a&e were becoming a little more
comfortable with their musical popularity.  like, in the ctof video they
seemed very uncomfortable with the whole music video thing.  in nis i think
they were beginning to get used to the attention and photos and music videos
part of their lives.  so yes, i like the photos from nis the best.  also, amy
is wearing a husker du tee and i love bob mould!

i also like the photo of amy recycling the can of diet coke in the botby
insert.  not to regress back to an old thread, i think her hair looks the
best in that picture ;p

-sheri :)/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
_    _----_          o   |...when you learn
{ ~\_/    o \   o  o      |to love yourself
{ ~ _  ]    <  o          |you will dissolve
{_~/ \_    _/             |all the stones
       \/--               |that are cast...
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seallen@sprintmail.com
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subject:      another obsessive post

ok....why did i almost go into a maternity store the other day just because
they had a sign out front that said " indigo jeans on sale"  ....

oh yeah to go alpng with knowing all the new songs before they come out, how
about also knowing how to play them on guitar ??? so i was bored....

peace
sasha

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from:         michelle paddy <s306089@student.uq.edu.au>
subject:      re: merril bainbridge-nigc
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hi everyone,

> anyone ever heard of merril bainbridge?  i happened to catch her on a
> really bad morning talk show in detroit, loved loved loved her.  she's
> australian, and apparently just beginning to make it in the us.  anyone
> know anything?  cds available?  quality?

sorry to take up bandwidth about this but i love merril bainbridge's
music, and was suprised to hear she's been heard of in the states.  she's
quite popular over here... has a cd out called "the garden".  if you
haven't heard  her and get a chance to check her out, she's worth a
listen.

hope you're all having a great weekend!
shelley

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subject:      stats on the hair thing

ok.  here's the results if anyone's interested.

total respondants: 53

amy long:  36%
amy short: 15%

emily long:  32%
emily short:  17%

thanks everyone!
- jen hall

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from:         "hsu amber r. batson" <arbatson@hsutx.edu>
subject:      my 1st anniversary of discovering ig

about this time last year, i got the ig titled tape, and after listening
to it over and over and over, the cd made an appearance on my xmas list
last year. feel free to congratulate me. this summer i got a so and a
computer, all i needed to be pulled into the fan cult. since school
started, i got nis, rop, 1200c, list shirt, and 2 so hte shirts (one of
them has all these blue lines on it, thanks to my washing expertise,so i
guess it was good to get 2) well, sorry for the bandwidth, but at least
i'm not quoting geko message (geko is for geeks)
trying to catch up on lost ig time
amber

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subject:      more why did the chickenman cross the road

so he'd be closer to fine.

to stop by the bar at 3 am  (i've been known to do that...)

to visit dead man's hill.

just because it's alright!

he is chiapas bound.

to catch the midnight train to georgia.

to get back on the bus, y'all.

so he could join the "in with the out crowd".

more of my $0.02,
mary  :)

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date:         sun, 27 oct 1996 19:25:39 -0600
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from:         abigail <abaroo@execpc.com>
subject:      ani list?

hi guys,

ok, i'm going to try one more time-is there an existing ani mailing list
and/or builitin board? please let me know! thanks!


:)abigail
"i will not be....

a pawn" ~emily saliers

afraid of women" ~dar williams

complacent!!!" ~amy ray

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subject:      more of why did the chickenman cross the road

first things first:  i cannot remember whether or not i sent this off
earlier.  the first version i typed was slightly different; i hope i didn't
lose it!  anyhow, if y'all see two messages with this same subject, i
apologize for clogging up everyone's mailbox with basically the same thing
twice!  well...here's goes the good stuff.

so he'd be closer to fine.

to stop by the bar at 3 am.

to be closer to the "in with the out crowd".

to bump like a pinball off a careless crowd.

to be one of the boys on the town.

to get down by the river.

just because "it's alright"!

he is chiapas bound.

that's where the reunion is.


mary  :)

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subject:      re: blood quantum repost

        hi again...here's the blood quantum lyrics again with a couple of
changes (thanks susan and jocelyn):

blood quantum  (from honor1)

        you're standing in the blood quantum line
        with a pitcher in your hand
        poured from your heart into your veins
        you said i am, i am, i am

        now measure me, measure me
        tell me where i stand
        allocate my very soul
        like you have my land

        genocide
        genocide

        colonize, you christianize, you patronize, you advertise (you...)

        (you love your genocide?)

        regulate, you assimilate, you appropriate, you...we love to hate you

        genocide (you are a man without a face, you're just a number on a page)
        genocide (you are a woman without a face, we'll just erase you)

        there you are a man without a face, you're just a number on a page
        there you are a woman without a face, we'll just erase you

        conscripted children, torn from truth, to the boarding school station
        force-fed the foreign tongue of fire, imprisoned education
****    broken knowledge, pencil-scarred, spit-faced the scattered sage
****    wisdom hidden deep within the rock outlives the pretty lies upon the
page

        genocide (how white the snowy graves)
****    how red the blood terrain
        genocide (still pulsing with your dreams)
        above that stubborn stain  (???)

"i don't wanna to wait for heaven
i can find what i need right here on earth this time,
there's too many people only waiting for heaven
let me tell you, if you can't feel it here, you won't feel it there anyway"
     -amy ray

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subject:      indigo sighting

i was walking back to campus from visiting a friend nearby this evening, when i
saw a car parked along the street.  it had virginia tags that said "a and e".
i thought to myself, "wow, the owner of that car is pretty spiffy - those two
letters go together well."

anna

"life as an actor is a bit easier to take if you admit you're bonkers."  -michael shurtleff

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subject:      re: ig photos

one of my personal favorites is in the so songbook by fugitive.  it's a
vertical of amy (head down) playing her black strat completely absorbed in
the music.  ahhhhh!
-sarah

sarah wardrop

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subject:      blue women and the ties that bind...

i am attempting now to post my very first message...so, here it goes.

first of all i want to address the indigo girls being the tie that binds.
since i went to college it seems that a&e have indirectly influenced my life
more that i had ever believed possible--i realize this more when i try to tell
someone (put into words) what their music means to me...someone recently asked
if anyone uses the ig as icebreakers.  heck yeah!  are they not the perfect way
to find friends?  have we not all gone to indigo concerts and left as one in a
mass of friends?  (espcially the las cruses show!) so they have bound us
together--isn't that sweet!  i vote icebreakers yes!!!  speaking of, i met my
best two friends that way--one loved the a&e just like me and she introduced me
to my current girlfriend of 2 years!!  3 cheers for the blue women!!!!  and
more on the icebreaking business...i'll say one word--allie!  (that's for her,
just in case she's reading!!!)

now about this hair business that i've been reading about for the past
week...who cares if emily sticks with her same hair cut...i mean give her a
break!!!  i know one thing for sure, i wouldn't want my very own mailing list
(my true blue fans!) ripping on my hair-do on the internet for hours!!!!!  i
mean, she's gone extreme before--does anyone recal what she was wearing on dave
letterman last time?  see? she takes chances/risks every once in awhile!  :)

so, how was that for my first posting???
too long??  (sorry!)

andrea


ps-when i worked in a grocery store this summer i heard all sorts of ig on the
muzak...just how must that feel?


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subject:      another obsessive post...

   i forgot to put this in my original post (perhaps you read it?). anyway,
some of my roommate's friends came up for the weekend, and sat. night we all
went to the park. well, the whole way there and back, we were all jammin' to
ig! not many of my friends are big ig fans, so it was a shock, to say the
least.


peace,
margot

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subject:      another indigo sighting

>i was walking back to campus from visiting a friend nearby this evening,
when
>i
>saw a car parked along the street.  it had virginia tags that said "a and
e".
>i thought to myself, "wow, the owner of that car is pretty spiffy - those
two
>letters go together well."
>
>

the other day (ok so maybe it was like last month)  while i was driving on
the beltway, i saw a car with virginia tags also that said ndgogrl   i
thought it was real cool.  and the thought crossed my mind to call up the
maryland vehicle ad.  and see if i could get it in maryland tags. but then i
thought it would be helpful to have my own car...andt i would want mine to be
different.
peace y'all
sasha

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date:         sun, 27 oct 1996 21:32:11 -0500
reply-to:     nicholas dishler <ndishler@mail.bcpl.lib.md.us>
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from:         nicholas dishler <ndishler@mail.bcpl.lib.md.us>
subject:      where people live (nigc)

just got a question for everyone, who lives in maryland (or to involve
everyone, where does everyone live?)  just curious
nick

p.s. thanks to all who helped me build up my boot list :-)

where am i?

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date:         mon, 28 oct 1996 07:46:00 +1000
reply-to:     john houston <jhouston@team.hutch.com.au>
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from:         john houston <jhouston@team.hutch.com.au>
subject:      geko - this is a disgrace
x-to:         accounts@geko.net.au, sales-list@zonk.geko.net.au

this is a disgrace, remove my name from your list geko immediately!

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date:         mon, 28 oct 1996 13:43:28 est+10
reply-to:     susanj@journalism.ss.rmit.edu.au
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from:         susan jackel <susanj@journalism.ss.rmit.edu.au>
subject:      re: get your flames ready (flamer, are you ready?)

margaret

well said

most of post snipped

>it seems that you felt you were excluded from that thread because you are
>straight and male.  that is not a good feeling.  this feeling, though, is
>something that many of us here know very well, as we are gay, lesbian,
>bisexual, transgendered, transexual, female, black, chicano, latino, latina,
>native american, asian, asian american and poor.  but the key to diversity is
>not to be included in everything--it is to support everyone.  so when i hear a
>self-proclaimed dense, white, heterosexual male saying that he does not want
>there to be any more threads on this list like x because it did not include him i
>am not exactly moved to make a personal effort to accomodate his request.

i'd like to add some more catergories for repression to your above list -  socialist
women trade unionists.  women with loud voices, hungry hearts (i think i
nicked that from jeanette winterson), a craving for justice, a passion for each
other and a refusal to be intimidated.

this is a prozac and ritalin free zone (yes hold on - i personally know folks who
need these drugs so no flames please)

sue - who will not be silenced !!!!!!

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date:         sun, 27 oct 1996 22:25:38 -0500
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subject:      re: blood quantum repost

actually...now that i think of it.....
i'm not sure if i can picture them singing
"blood quantum" on rosie o'donnell's
'happy talk' afternoon show.

:)
stinky binky

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date:         sun, 27 oct 1996 18:48:50 -0800
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from:         catherine diederich <cath@efn.org>
subject:      shades of indigo

hi y'all
        i found a couple of discs at a store in eugene, one is "shades of
indigo"  the other a promo single of "watershed"(never opened). i had
never seen soi, it has ig interviewed by shawn colvin on 8 tracks,6 live
tracks and 2 studio tracks.  it was released in '90.  is this something
everybody has heard of and heard?  are there a lot of other discs
available in stores that i may not know about? (aside from the ten or so
"standards" i have)  anyway if anyone wants to hear it let me know, or
if i'm way behind on this one let me know also!  i would love to start
trading for some boots, is this something i could get started with???
                        cath
"...who loves us, nobody"
        a & e

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date:         sun, 27 oct 1996 23:43:18 gmt
reply-to:     patricia hite <phite@cybergate.net>
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from:         patricia hite <phite@cybergate.net>
subject:      along the lines of xmas

hey everybody!

i was going to wait a little longer to post this but maybe i'll do it now
since we've been talking about christmas and all...

i made a little collection of my favorite holiday songs and was planning on
offering it up to the list if anyone wanted a copy.  it's fun little tape
for in the car during december or while putting up the tree or any other
holiday activity.  so here's the song list (keep in mind that i don't like
every one of the artists on here either, but it's fun to have some variety.
plus it contains ig and that's all that matters.)

here goes:

side 1
step into christmas -- elton john
christmas all over again -- tom petty & the heartbreakers
winter wonderland -- eurythmics
merry christmas baby -- bruce springsteen & the e street band
do you hear what i hear? -- whitney houston
please come home for christmas -- jon bon jovi
gabriel's message -- sting
christmas in hollis -- run d.m.c.
the birth of christ -- boyz ii men
i saw mommy kissing santa claus -- john mellencamp
2000 miles -- the pretenders
rockin' around the christmas tree -- ronnie spector & darlene love
christmas time again -- extreme

side 2
run rudolph run -- bryan adams
sleigh ride -- debbie gibson
christmas (baby please come home) -- u2
little drummer boy -- bob seger & the silver bullet band
santa baby -- madonna
river -- ig
mister grinch -- crash test dummies
blue christmas -- ann & nancy wilson
the channakah song -- adam sandler
happy xmas (war is over) -- melissa etheridge
have yourself a merry little christmas -- the pretenders
silent night -- stevie nicks

so that's it if anybody is interested you can mail me but when you do i will
instruct you not to send your tapes for about two weeks anyway because i'm
still trying to get the cleveland boots done (sorry all you that haven't
received it yet, i'm working on it!!)  hopefully though, if you do want the
holiday tape, you will have it in your hands by the first week of december
to put you in the holiday spirit!

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