lifeblood: listlogs: 1996-12a


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date:         sun, 1 dec 1996 13:00:39 +0000
reply-to:     indigo jo <mts5@aber.ac.uk>
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from:         indigo jo <mts5@aber.ac.uk>
subject:      re: lyrics for gotm and leeds????
in-reply-to:  <961130151504_1286088174@emout05.mail.aol.com>

on sat, 30 nov 1996, pj harris wrote:

> sorry for the list post.  i dont have the lyrics for gotm and leeds.  could
> someone send them to me personally???

could you cc them here too please.

mat

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date:         sun, 1 dec 1996 17:12:58 gmt
reply-to:     emrich@computeam.de
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from:         klaus emrich <emrich@computeam.de>
subject:      ig(-related) tours in january ??

hi there,

if everything works fine, iĞll be at the west coast in january attending the
annual macworld expo in san francisco - does anybody know about some
ig(-related) concerts in this time period?

although i am a real ig fan (and never seen them live!), i would also like to
listen to other live performances from artists like shawn colvin, ani
difranco, wilco, the gathering field, mary chapin-carpenter, joni mitchell,
...


well, this was my first write to the list ... and hopefully not the last!

bye,
klaus

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date:         sun, 1 dec 1996 10:44:33 -0800
reply-to:     anne l kaplan <indigo12@ix.netcom.com>
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                leah kaplan

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date:         sun, 1 dec 1996 14:32:02 -0500
reply-to:     indigofrk@aol.com
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from:         sasha friedman <indigofrk@aol.com>
subject:      my "wonderful" thanksgiving..notreally igc

hi everyone...
i just wanted to share about how much my thanksgiving sucked...  first i had
to go visit my family.  a few of them are just complete assholes.  so after
all the political debating and everything, plus i was sick, i get home only
to realize that somewhere between detroit and baltimore i have lost my cd's.
so i am now missing 4 ig cd's, 3 ani cds 2 rusted root cds and the new shawn
colvin and kristen hall.    every year something on thanksgiving happens to
my ig cds.  in 94 someone stole my discman with rop in it, last year this guy
broke strange fire in half.  needless to say he is no longer welcome in my
house..  anyways i'm rambling... sorry ...

sitting in a corner pouting...
sasha

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date:         sun, 1 dec 1996 15:08:18 -0500
reply-to:     weenracer@aol.com
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subject:      american journal

hey, has anybody heard any more info on that supposed ig appearance on
american journal?  did it ever air?  i missed aj twice last week...  could
anybody fill me in?

--lisa

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date:         sun, 1 dec 1996 15:51:26 -0500
reply-to:     seaphish@aol.com
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from:         "sheri e. allen" <seaphish@aol.com>
subject:      ig dream

hi everyone,

hope all who celebrate thanksgiving had a good one.

well, a few nights ago i had an interesting dream that i thought i would
share.  i was in this unfamiliar room with a&e and they were serving these
toasted wheat wafers or something and they told me to pick one from the
cookie sheet.  meanwhile, a was spreading something that looked like apple
butter on them. i wanted to ask emily a few serious questions but they kept
joking around and we were just laughing the whole time.  i wanted to ask
emily if it bothers her when people on the listserv and newsgroup talk about
their personal lives, or when people who meet them boast about it (meaning
that the fan who meets them and spends some time with them and then
immediately posts it to the newsgroup or listserv may be less excited about
actually speaking with them and more excited about being able to tell people
about it).  but they kept fooling around, never getting serious so i never
got a chance to ask her.  but in the back of my head the whole time was how i
wish e's answer would be 'no' to the second question because i couldn't wait
to tell everyone on the list about how i got to hang out with them!

btw, by telling this dream i am in no way flaming anyone who has ever posted
about their ig encounters.  i guess my subconcious mind may be questioning
how a&e feel about this.  but i think we all need to live vicariously through
one another, right?!;)

-sheri :)
(yay, i'm going to see les mis and the nutcracker (nyc ballet) this
week-end!! :)

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date:         sun, 1 dec 1996 17:56:26 -0500
reply-to:     michael reynolds <asl@umcs.maine.edu>
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from:         michael reynolds <asl@umcs.maine.edu>
subject:      happy thank whatever day and more....

like my mom felt guilty because she she did not give me enough leftovers, go
figure...like i really care..my holidays are stressed by the fact that a.)
my folks are going away, i will be alone for the holidays, and i really dont
get along with my immediate family. but myt sister stopped by with her
roommates.  one of them is hiv positive, can i  actually say, despite the
ten years of public service ads, i was terrified as my sister's housemate,
call him, jd, who has aids, really messed with my anxiety, like i felt
stupid because i *did* act-up protests at my high school and i really do
not fear aids, but jd, (not his real name, but considering it is the
internet and given the publicity recently by ani difranco via ms. magazine.)
i met jd, he is one of the nicest guys i have met. i feel guilty for feeling
afraid, me the
crip-activist-who-has-lost-too-damn-many-friends-to-other-diseases, was
actually fearful of this guy w/ aids.   i feel guilty, i dare not express to
my sister and her gay roommates, she would label me a bigot, which i swear i
am not (i have lost over 12 friends to muscular dystrophy, including the guy
who would have been my next door neighbor, brother, ect....) it just was
such a strange feeling, probably natural and i feel guilty.
on nusical topics, i bought 10 blank tapes and ani's new ep and the ms.
article (i thought it could have been written a year ago, just hmo) i also,
because i didnt own the uptown lounge video -- bought the ig's uptown girls
cd boot - (yes just to have a incredible blood and fire version on cd -- so
sue me) i could have a rareities sale before x-mas as i am broke for
gifts.......i *will* let you know first....

very tired, emotionally,
mike r.

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date:         sun, 1 dec 1996 18:35:30 -0500
reply-to:     indigopony@aol.com
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from:         indigopony@aol.com
subject:      re: autographed vinyl

going through some old mail...=}  and i'm still trying to respond personally
to everyone who wants a copy of my cover me indigo compilation... please
be patient; i am definitely going to be setting up a tape tree, but i'll keep

the list posted (pun intended ;) on what is going on with it...

>  actually, they did draw on some of them (i would guess the earlier ones).
>  my black one has a big blue mess of a drawing.  :-)  my green one has just
>  the signatures.  both have serious bleed-through from other labels.  (the
>  consensus way back when was that they were stacked when they signed
> them, i think.)

my black vinyl has both girls' signatures, and emily drew a cute little
baseball cap... amy drew these little red spiraly things. =)

peace, love, and rainy days,
ponygirl

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date:         sun, 1 dec 1996 15:56:43 -0800
reply-to:     hugh barroll <hugh404@ix.netcom.com>
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from:         hugh barroll <hugh404@ix.netcom.com>
subject:      the woman in me/cowgirl in the sand

i don't know if this has been noted before.  the song identified as
"the woman in me" on no curfews is in fact a great cover of neil
young's cowgirl in the sand.

hugh barroll

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date:         sun, 1 dec 1996 18:54:01 -0500
reply-to:     mr rodney s wicker <rucr57a@prodigy.com>
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from:         mr rodney s wicker <rucr57a@prodigy.com>
subject:      tape tree correction...

i was listed as one of the people dubbing
the on the road to austin tape.  that's
true, but my e-mail address was listed
incorrectly, my correct address is

rucr57a@prodigy.com

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date:         sun, 1 dec 1996 21:01:06 gmt
reply-to:     patricia hite <phite@cybergate.net>
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from:         patricia hite <phite@cybergate.net>
subject:      nigc: jason jedinski, mail me!!!

soory for putting this on the list but, jason, i don't know what tape you
want.  mail me and let me know. thanks ~rob

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date:         sun, 1 dec 1996 20:40:37 -0500
reply-to:     "norris, bill" <wnorris@mail.slc.edu>
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from:         "norris, bill" <wnorris@mail.slc.edu>
subject:      hash, beatles, etc...

ok, i know i've been away for a while, out there in the real world, but i'd
no idea what i'd missed...em's gone and got herself a side project and
called it hash?????  who else is in it?  have they put anything out?  will a
die hard amy backer like myself who sometimes finds ms. saliers a bit tame
(but a damn fine geetar player) enjoy it?

does anyone have a list of the dates for what appears to have been a small
summer tour (grumble, grumble, grumble, year long hiatus my behind)?

is there at eta on the new album?  a title?  a list o'tunes?

has amy's oft promised but never delivered solo rock album been heard from?

re: the beatles thread, i've always thought "i don't want to spoil the
party" would be a great song for em to take the lead vocals on.  she could
do that sort of sardonic eye rolling thing she sometimes does on the harmony
parts...

peace,
bill


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date:         sun, 1 dec 1996 18:03:55 -0800
reply-to:     dragonman <djarrell@ix14.ix.netcom.com>
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from:         dragonman <djarrell@ix14.ix.netcom.com>
subject:      my trivia question and a new one!

wow!

i don't know whether to be impressed or scared.  :)  it took you people no
time at all to get this question.  that means there are too many people out
there who think like me!  :-)

the answer (which you know if you read sherri allen's post) is that the five
ratios (4/5 4/6 5/6 6/6 6/5) represent the ratio of emily songs to amy songs
on each of the five major label cds.  although i used the track list from
the cd releases, i put them in the order they were created by a&e, which
apparently fooled no one.  :)

those who got the right answer were (in the order i received them):

queen minerva <amytryon@phoenix.princeton.edu>
deb reiser <debbie@mei.com>
pj <pjhoopie@aol.com>
sheri e. allen <seaphish@aol.com>
alison taub <alisont@netcom.com>

alison gets special mention for knowing it for the same reason i do - she
noticed that there are fewer emily songs than amy songs on the official
releases.  i remember pointing out when so came out that it was the first
time e had more songs than a.  note that she needs three more to catch up.  :)

and finally, my favorite answer definitely goes to

craig edwards <edwardsc@aodmel.arl.dsto.defence.gov.au>,

who noticed that the fractions add up to 4.5.  pretty bizarre, hey??!!

so now here's an easy one that i expect many correct answers to within a few
minutes:

name the only officially released ig song in which the first verse is sung
by the ig who did not write the song.  and tell me what else makes that song
different from all the rest.

i'll check back in a few minutes.  :-)

:dwayne

djarrell@ix.netcom.com
"i don't know what you saw,
i want someone who can see me" - dar williams, "as cool as i am"

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date:         sun, 1 dec 1996 21:48:22 -0500
reply-to:     booomsgirl@aol.com
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from:         nickie post <booomsgirl@aol.com>
subject:      help--must see ig live!

consider this my heartfelt request for any info anyone might have regarding
ig touring in northern ca--i have a very specific list of performers i am
dying to see in order to die a happy woman.  any help is greatly appreciated!
thanks!

also it's great to see the mention of the great ani difranco--where i live
she's not even heard of.  i don't feel lonely anymore:)

             nickie p.

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date:         sun, 1 dec 1996 21:12:05 -0700
reply-to:     verdi@imap2.asu.edu
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from:         verdi@imap2.asu.edu
subject:      new songs

   i've noticed that some of our fellow listers are making "map"
compliation tapes. i've also noticed that noone is including "going to
the country" or "problem child" on their tapes. does anyone know if
either of these songs will be on the new album?
ben

" every year it's the same. i always get a bike or some stupid toys or
something like that. i never get what i really want."

"what is it you want?"

"real estate"

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date:         sun, 1 dec 1996 23:37:37 -0500
reply-to:     boilrmkr@bu.edu
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from:         anjeanette milner <boilrmkr@bu.edu>
subject:      beatles and other covers

well along the same thread...
i would love to hear blackbird of course,
and birthday and fool on the hill....
well actually i could go on.. i was a beatles
fanatic for way too long...
but on the way to nyc for break i was listening
to some other stuff (compilation tape just for
cruising...) and respect by aretha came on...
i think ig could do a _great_ cover of this,
also roxanne and message in a bottle (acoustic, of course)
by the police would be nice....
yes.. i am showing my obsessiveness when
i listen to songs and wonder would em or amy sing
the lead....

hope ya'll had a good break (if you had one...)
anjeanette
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date:         mon, 2 dec 1996 00:29:02 -0500
reply-to:     andi <ablipman@sas.upenn.edu>
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from:         andi <ablipman@sas.upenn.edu>
subject:      ig on a radio countdown

my friend told me the other day that he heard the fordham university radio
station's top 50 albums countdown the other day, & ig's self-titled album
was #29, & they played the whole thing!  did anybody else hear this?

andi


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date:         sun, 1 dec 1996 22:46:51 -0800
reply-to:     tom jobes <tomcat@netcom.com>
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from:         tom jobes <tomcat@netcom.com>
subject:      re: new songs
in-reply-to:  <pine.sol.3.91.961201210513.14604e-100000@email1.asu.edu> from
              "verdi@imap2.asu.edu" at dec 1, 96 09:12:05 pm

verdi@imap2.asu.edu wrote:
>    i've noticed that some of our fellow listers are making "map"
> compliation tapes. i've also noticed that noone is including "going to
> the country" or "problem child" on their tapes. does anyone know if
> either of these songs will be on the new album?

judging from the set lists i've seen of the demo tour shows (which is not all)
i'd pick gttc will make it and pc won't.  has pc been played at all lately?

tom
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date:         mon, 2 dec 1996 00:59:54 -0500
reply-to:     lorie driscoll <driscola@email.uc.edu>
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from:         lorie driscoll <driscola@email.uc.edu>
subject:      rdr new year's lineup

hey, all...it's da mediamongr coming out of lurkdom (aol sucks!)...to remind
ya to check out rainy day record's site.

you'll find the new year's lineup at http://www.rainy.com/ -- look under
"news & gossip"...i'm gonna be there if i can...maybe i'll meet some
listers, huh?

ld
aka mediamongr@aol.com from my school account! yuck! it's worse than aol!
it is, however, freeeee

; >

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date:         sun, 1 dec 1996 18:01:19 -0800
reply-to:     sundara <smurphy@ups.edu>
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from:         sundara <smurphy@ups.edu>
subject:      hey all you pacific northwest listees...

hey!  alrighty, claire/binky thinks it would be a good idea if all of us
pnw (well, mainly western washington, but anyone else can come too) listees
got together for a holiday party.  yay!  wouldn't that be fun???  so we've
been talking about it,  and since i have lots of free time,  i thought i
would try to coordinate this thing.  so...  here's what i thought:

a) we need someone with a big house.  or even a not so big house who would
be willing to let us all come and hang out.  i thought somewhere in seattle
would probably be a good idea, since that's where the majority of us are.
both claire and i would love to have it at out houses.  but they are small
hovels, hee!  so, if you would like to volunteer, please email me!

b)  i was thinking december 14th. mid-month, before things get too crazy
before christmas.  i do not know when hanukkah  (sp?) is, so if that is a
bad time because of that, someone please inform me.  also, the 14th is a
sat, so hopefully most people won't have to work, or if you have school,
hopefully you can take a night off.  please email me about what you think
about this date.

c) we could do a potluck  (mainly vegetarian??)  or something.  any ideas,
let me know

d) we could do some sort of white elephant gift exchange,  your favorite
boot, picture, some sort of indigo girl paraphenalia that you don't mind
giving as a gift.

so, if you think this would be fun, please email me,  let me know what you
think, if you want to come, any ideas you might have.  or anything else you
think i might need to know, as the self-appointed coordinator of all indigo
pnw list stuff. (well, not all...hee!)

peace, love, murdered turkeys and dumb holidays,

        sundara<-- who would be rich if she had a dime for everytime she wrote
                        indigo girls

"my dreams came in like needy children
tugging at my sleeve,
i said i have no way of feeding you, so leave"

                -emily

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date:         mon, 2 dec 1996 07:14:39 -0700
reply-to:     carrie <chamblen@nmsu.edu>
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from:         carrie <chamblen@nmsu.edu>
subject:      last chance for las cruces

hey there fellow listees.

there has been a terrific response to the las cruces boot offer, but i
realize that there may have been some folks who missed the offer due to
the holidays.  soooooooo  here's the last call, for the meantime.

so.. if you want a copy of the las cruces show....read on..........

i taped the las cruces show on dat(thanks unknowingly to my
public radio station at which i am employed) and it came out fairly
good.  i was in the second row of bodies in the small venue at which the
girls played here in las cruces.  sooooooo......  after some great
experiences in the whole "boot" trading scene..i feel comfy offering the
boot to the list.  i'm sorry if it seems wayyyyyyy overdue but i wanted
to make sure i did this right.

so.. here's the deal.

the dat (digital audio tape, for the technologically impaired) recording
will take up a 90 minute cassette.  the playlist is:
least complicated, hand me downs, it's alright, kind friend, get out the
map, tried to be true, winthrop, don't give that girl a gun, everything
in it's own time, bury my heart, caramia, chiapas bound, ghost, cut it
out, reunion, galileo, shame on you, and closer to fine.

if you're interested, email me back with "las cruces boot" in the subject
line.  depending on the response, branches may have to be set up.  if you
can be a branch, please let me know.  also...if you have anything ig
boots to trade, also tell me.  i'm slowly building up my boot collection
and would like to work out trades.  i'm going away for the thanksgiving
holiday so i will try to respond to those of you prior to leavingthat i
received your message.  i will set up a tape tree early next week.
so....respond right away if you want to get in on the bootleg trading frenzy.

i look forward to hearing from all of you.

carrie
chamblen@nmsu.edu

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date:         mon, 2 dec 1996 09:59:47 est
reply-to:     chickensoprano <creechal@aslan.emu.edu>
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subject:      re: my trivia question and a new one!
x-to:         djarrell@ix14.ix.netcom.com

on sun, 1 dec 1996, dragonman wrote:

> name the only officially released ig song in which the first verse is sung
> by the ig who did not write the song.  and tell me what else makes that song
> different from all the rest.

crazy game.  it's a different style that most ig songs (possibly all, but
that's pushing it).  my dad says it sounds like a lounge singer-type song.
:)

anna

"how is it that music can, without words, evoke our
laughter, our tears, our highest aspiration?"  -jane swan

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date:         mon, 2 dec 1996 11:26:16 -0600
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from:         lisa on the prairie <nordeelm@caa.mrs.umn.edu>
subject:      attn: new tape tree...

ok, i may be a fool, but i think i'm ready to set up a tree.  i have a copy
of the indigo girls at telluride and red rocks on 6/23/91 and 6/21/91
respectively.  this is on a 90 min. tape and is very good quality.  the set
list is below.

at this point i'm looking for people willing to be branches.
please e-mail me telling me if you are willing to be a branch for this
tree.  by being a branch you are commiting yourself to making 10 copies of
the boot.


telluride:
side 1:  strange fire, world falls, hammer and a nail, welcome me, pushin'
the needle too far, crazy game, love's recovery, no way to treat a friend,
watershed, southlant in the springtime,

side 2:  nashville, kid fears, prince of darkness, the water is wide,
closer to fine, get together.  red rocks:  secure yourself, world falls,
love's recovery


the boot will fit quite nicely on a c-90.  for those who are new to
the concept of tape trees, the process is simple.  someone (the
trunk) makes copies (the seed) for the branches, who then makes
copies of the tape for their respective leaves.  the leaves trade
blank tapes or other shows with the branches in exchange for a copy
of the tape.  high quality brand name tapes, such as maxell xl-ii,
are used for the tapes.  the specifics of the trade will be worked
out between the branches and the leaves individually.  in this
manner, we are able to share low generations of hard-to-get music
with many people without everyone having to purchase expensive cd
boots.

lisa

lisa nordeen
head women's basketball coach
university of minnesota, morris
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  i'm leaving in the morning so let's not be shy."
-ani difranco

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date:         mon, 2 dec 1996 14:22:36 -0400
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from:         "joan m. cyr" <jcyr@mit.edu>
subject:      sigc:  need info on remastering...

hi y'all:

a while back, a lister offered a service whereby for a small fee, she would
take your hissy boot, remaster it, and put it on a cd.  unfortunately, she
has had to abruptly get out of the business (and right when i wanted the
service!  sheesh!)

so, does anyone know of anywhere else i can get this done?  here's the igc:
i have a hissy copy of an ig boot which i'd like to get cleaned up...if it
comes out good, i'd offer it to the list for trades/blanks.

thanks so much in advance....

joni  :o)

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from:         allison hastings <alhastings@mindspring.com>
subject:      party!

hello everyone,
        well, i am proud to announce my first ever (hope to be annual)
holiday party.  it's on friday, december 13 9-10ish 'til whenever.  i live
in decatur, ga.  so, any listers that live in the area and would like to
come, just drop me a line for directions and such.  i promise that we'll
play christmas at eddie's attic!

hope to hear from y'all soon!
allison

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date:         mon, 2 dec 1996 14:57:45 -0500
reply-to:     yangkun zhang <zhang@cs.unc.edu>
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from:         yangkun zhang <zhang@cs.unc.edu>
subject:      re: sigc:  need info on remastering...
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in-reply-to:  <v02140b10aec8cdc9cb94@[18.142.0.27]>

on mon, 2 dec 1996, joan m. cyr wrote:

> a while back, a lister offered a service whereby for a small fee, she would
> take your hissy boot, remaster it, and put it on a cd.  unfortunately, she
> has had to abruptly get out of the business (and right when i wanted the
> service!  sheesh!)

that was my friend, bess sadler, (sadler@email.unc.edu). i've taken over
the operation, pretty much. she got a job at ibm tech support now and
doesn't have the time. she was using my equipement to do it, so maybe we
can still work out something.

        oooo.                            yangkun zhang
        (unc)
         ) /                          zhang@cs.unc.edu
        (_/              http://www.cs.unc.edu/~zhang/

        bootlist @ http://www.cs.unc.edu/~zhang/bootlist
        dat->cdr @ http://www.cs.unc.edu/~zhang/cdr

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from:         carrie <chamblen@nmsu.edu>
subject:      pre-las cruces tape tree

hi there everyone.

sorry to take up bandwidth with this but it will be short and sweet.

if you have requested a copy of the las cruces bootleg, and have gotten a
response from me, then keep on the lookout for a posting of the actual
"tape tree" information.  i will be assigning "leaves" to "branches"
because i want the dubbing of tapes to be pretty much equal and i don't
know what everyones' sign is to do it the zodiac sign way (although, i
must say, that it highly efficient!!!)

so, this is basically to inform you that if you haven't received a
message from me, i haven't gotten you in on the dubbing frenzy and
can't assign you to a branch. .  if you didn't hear from me, email me again,
just to check.

if you did hear from me, hold on.  more info will be on it's way
tomorrow.  if you have any questions, please email me privately so we
don't take up space. ok?

thanks for your patience and i'll talk to ya'll soon

carrie
chamblen@nmsu.edu

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date:         mon, 2 dec 1996 15:11:48 -0700
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from:         carrie <chamblen@nmsu.edu>
subject:      las cruces boot closing

this will be short.

if you haven't yet requested a copy of the las cruces boot (which was
recorded on digital audio tape), the offer will close by this evening.

if you haven't emailed me to request a copy by midnight tonight (mountain
standard time), then you won't be able to be included in this round of
dubbing.  don't worry, i'll offer it again after the new year.  so..

it takes a 90 min. tape..

send nothing now.  i will assign you to a branch, once you've contacted
me.  i will post infomation about the tape tree tomorrow.  be on the
lookout for your branch assignment.

thanks to those of you who have responded, and especially to those who
have offered to be branches.  you all are saints.......thanks

talk to you soon

carrie
chamblen@nmsu.edu

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subject:      danielle howle(nigc)

i came across this little newspaper yesterday at my local record store (i
live in seattle) called pandemonium.. danielle howle was on the cover.
this is the last paper edition as its now on-line as well
(www.seattlesquare.com/pandemonium)  i believe you can find an article
praising her talents here as well as mentioning the release of her new
album "about to burst".   says it was released on the virginia indie label,
simple machine.  if you're a fan of hers, you might want to check it out.

betsy

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      when we stand like spotlights in a mighty tower
                       all for one and one for all
                    then we sing the common call.....
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subject:      ig on the radio

okay, call me a pessimist (did i spell that right?) but am i the only one
with mixed feelings about ig on the radio?

        part of me wants to share them with everyone because they're awesome
and deserve to have the entire world as their fans, but. . .

        part of me wants to keep them to myself (or "ourselves") so they
don't become mainstream and get lost in the pop culture. (but could that
ever happen?)

                am i being selfish?  how do you guys feel?

joanne

"if you think you know the answer, you've got a lot of gall."

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subject:      finlandia

hey indigoheads!!!

        we were discussing great harmonies a few weeks back and i have a
question sort of related.  do any of you guys have any type of written
music or know any place or anything at all for me to figure out the the
harmonies in finlandia?  i think that song is absolutely amazing.  i'm
want to try to get a trio together and perform it at talent show coming
up and i'm having difficulty trying to decipher the harmonies by ear.
any info would help.  thank you so much!!!!

                        -jonny
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                   something new instead of something old, all
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reply-to:     shanna freeman <sfreeman@coe.uga.edu>
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from:         shanna freeman <sfreeman@coe.uga.edu>
subject:      re: ig on the radio

joanne wrote:

>okay, call me a pessimist (did i spell that right?) but am i the only one
>with mixed feelings about ig on the radio?

that's not pessimism, i don't think. i mean, i think that's one of the
wonderful things about ig. they do so well because of their music and their
concerts, and their loyal fans, not because they get played ad nauseum on
the radio and on mtv or vh1 or muchmusic like *some* groups (not to offend
anyone, but hootie comes to mind here).

>        part of me wants to share them with everyone because they're awesome
>and deserve to have the entire world as their fans, but. . .

oh definately...i know i want everyone i know to give the ig a chance and
love them like i do...and they deserve all the fans in the world...

>        part of me wants to keep them to myself (or "ourselves") so they
>don't become mainstream and get lost in the pop culture. (but could that
>ever happen?)

yeah...i see that, because it happens *so* much, there's a reason to be
afraid of it. i can't see it ever happening because the ig are so
unique...i can't see them allowing that to happen.

it kind of makes me think of what emily says on watershed, something like
"a group starts bitching about success or whatever". i don't see them
getting to that point, ever.

>                am i being selfish?  how do you guys feel?

no, i don't think so. i see your point, both ways. :)

peace,

shanna

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_<_\_       "     |
<_    \__          |the evil ego
  |   ' /'   """.  |and the vice of pride
   \___/     *  "  |is there ever
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subject:      re: finlandia
in-reply-to:  <32a3632b.4c15@warwick.net> from "jonny wu" at dec 2,
              96 06:15:55 pm

jonny wu wrote:
>
> hey indigoheads!!!
>
>         we were discussing great harmonies a few weeks back and i have a
> question sort of related.  do any of you guys have any type of written
> music or know any place or anything at all for me to figure out the the
> harmonies in finlandia?  i think that song is absolutely amazing.  i'm
> want to try to get a trio together and perform it at talent show coming
> up and i'm having difficulty trying to decipher the harmonies by ear.
> any info would help.  thank you so much!!!!

it's an old song by the finnish composer sibelius, so i'd bet the sheet
music is in your local library, but i don't know if ig did a special
arrangement of it.  has anyone ever heard the original?  is it a choral
piece, perhaps?  (i'd look it up, but i live in a rural area without a
local library right now.)

tom
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subject:      nigc birthdays

december 2
guinione@aol.com (chris)
happy birthday, chris!!
i drove out of there with noone behind me
feelin funny and free..

have an indigo year!

love,
the bg

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subject:      rockin' in the free world

howdy all !

in the first verse of this ig cover, i just always assumed it was amy.  as
i began listening to is closer, i noticed that the 2nd verse was clearly
amy as well, but sounding much more harsher.  then i began to rethink the
first verse again.  although it sounds like amy singing softer, is it amy.
i know they sing w/ k's choice on this song, could it be a member of kc
that just sounds a bit like amy???

does anyone have a clue?

peace,
- jen hall

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from:         nickie post <booomsgirl@aol.com>
subject:      selfish?  me??

<< okay, call me a pessimist (did i spell that right?) but am i the only one
with mixed feelings about ig on the radio?
  >>

definitely--i agree!  i always get a little nervous when my fave
"underground-type" (pardon the  expression) musicians start going through the
mainstream system.  i think its hearing 12 year olds singing the lyrics that
meant so much to me as if they were the abc's song.  i hate to see people
take it for granted as simply a "great tune" when it holds so much more.
maybe i'm just selfish to though.

nickie

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subject:      finlandia

hey everyone,

i wrote earlier asking for info on finlandia.  i was searching the net
and i needed some info that might help me.  does anyone know the other
name for finlandia, the name that it would be under in hymnals.  also,
could anyone tell me what type of hymn is it (easter, christmas, etc)?
thanks for the help.

                                -jonny
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                   something new instead of something old, all
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subject:      re: rockin' in the free world

jen hall wrote:

>in the first verse of this ig cover, i just always assumed it >was amy.  as
>i began listening to is closer, i noticed that the 2nd verse >was clearly
>amy as well, but sounding much more harsher.  then i began >to rethink the
>first verse again.  although it sounds like amy singing softer, >is it amy.
>i know they sing w/ k's choice on this song, could it be a >member of kc
>that just sounds a bit like amy???

>does anyone have a clue?

i'm usually somewhat clueless, but this i know. . .  okay, well i don't know
her name, but the 1st verse is the singer from k's choice.  they opened for
ig in december of 1994, & that's where the recording comes from.  you can
also find it on the kc promo for their "the great subconscious club" cd.

dee (the newbie who finally has something pertinent to share)
p.s. - thanx to all you wunnerful, fantabulous folks who took pity on newbies
like me.  may the force be with you to live long & prosper.

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from:         sasha friedman <indigofrk@aol.com>
subject:      re: rockin' in the free world

i know when i saw the girls and k's choice opened for them the lead singer of
k's choice, sarah bettens i think is her name or something like that, did
sing the first verse of rockin in the free world.. and i believe on the power
of two single version she does as well...  so i assume that is the
arrangement on all of them....

peace
sasha

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my dad is a musician and a minister who loves this hymn, and i played him
the ig version, and he cringed!  he said it was pretty good, but that they
got two of the chords completely wrong in their harmonies.  i happen to
disagree--well, yeah it may not be the chords the composer wrote but they
rock anyway and it's beautiful.  just my 2 cents.

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               \__  | |__/        "i'll be the first to praise the sun,
                  ~~|  >           the first the praise the moon,
                   .===.           the first to hold the lone coyote,
                   |\ /|           the last to set it free."
                   | ' |   |\            --indigo girls
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oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

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subject:      re: ig on the radio
x-to:         joanne <indigo@kirk.anderson.edu>

well... i'm tempted to agree, but in thinking about it, i don't really
listen to the ig to be different...  i mean, ig are the greatest, and that's
all there is to it for me...  i know alot of people (phish fans, mostly) who
don't want "their band" to become popular, and mainstream, and all that
jazz, because then they won't have their own private band....  for instance,
take greenday...  they did really well for all of two months, and now
they're completely out of fasion...  people who liked them before were
obnoxiously loud about how right they were, and then, when the band went
down, they said that it got "too commercial"...  i've heard alot of
greendays stuff, and it's not all that different in the beggining from in
the end...  to wrap all this stuff up, since my eyes are closing on me,

the indigo girls could get famous(er), and that would "bring alot more to
the fold", but that won't be all that long lived...   even if it is, though,
it won't do damage to anyone...  the size of their venues will just have to
increase...  :)

gee... i wonder whether i said anything worth hearing...  i'm so tired i
don't know if i mentioned this, but i saw arlo on saturday...  he did
alices....  it was cool, see y'all around,

alec

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date:         mon, 2 dec 1996 17:51:54 -0800
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subject:      lots of stuff; mostly igc

hi y'all, i've been gone for 10 days and i'm sure i missed a lot because
my inbox was jammed at 210 messages, and i know you fabulous people posted
more than that while i was gone.  anyway, i just have a few things to
mention that have been on my mind:

--amy porter, i'm almost done with your tapes!

--does anybody know the titles of the toad the wet sprocket songs
performed at hte malibu?  e-me privately  =)

--thanks to the advice of several darling listers, i bought dar's honesty
room, and love it.  i'm slightly partial to mortal city right now, but
that may be because i've heard it more.  the babysitter's here is the best
song in the world (in the cute, sweet, goofy, reminiscent, adorable
category), and traveling again was written for meeee!

--question:  i don't know if this is a dumb, totally clueless question, it
probably is, but it has been bothering me.  since joining this list, i
have been listening to ig songs more closely (and more often) than ever,
and just now i'm wondering, what exactly is it that they sing in the
background during the intro and middle of mystery?  (yes, i'm clueless)

--revelation:  i have just come to the conclusion that southland in the
springtime is a country song, and it absolutely kills me.  every time i
listen to it, it kills me more and more.  my sister said its being a
country song was the reason she liked it less.  i was wondering how others
feel about this.  the very first bars of the intro are the most country,
and i just turn to butter.  the funny thing is, i'm not the biggest
country fan.  what's up with that?

--language or the kiss:  i have just one word to say--butter!  suddenly
this song and sits are being rewound, repeated, reheard and rerecorded
over and over and over again.  does anyone else go through phases of being
deeply touched by one song or another at one particular time?

--driving:  i did a lot of driving over my vacation and i've come to the
conclustion that i should not listen to ig while i drive, at least on 19th
ave. (hwy 1) in san francisco or other unfamiliar roads.  twice in the
past 10 days i have been driving and singing along to ig when i have
barely escaped causing accidents.  i am not a bad driver.  (i'm an
excellent driver--name the movie)

thanks for listening, y'all--it's good to be back, i missed you!
happy day,
the lone coyote

oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
                __-----__o
               /       o \
              |      woo  |             marianne l. barlow
              (     a     )             mlb1@axe.humboldt.edu
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               \__  | |__/        "i'll be the first to praise the sun,
                  ~~|  >           the first the praise the moon,
                   .===.           the first to hold the lone coyote,
                   |\ /|           the last to set it free."
                   | ' |   |\            --indigo girls
                  _|    \_/  |
                 (____)_____/
oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

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date:         mon, 2 dec 1996 17:11:50 -0900
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subject:      hi you all

indigo friends,

        hi, and just a note to say that i am thinking of you all.
snowing today, and has been for the last 6 day's, a total of 3 or more feet!
so you all have a great week, and will write you all later! (smile)

bye for now,
scott in the winter wounderland of alaska!
\,,/,

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subject:      touring in to?

i recently heard a rumour that ig will be coming to toronto sometime
in january.  does anyone know anything about this?
-rebecca

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subject:      re: rockin' in the free world

well thanks so much dee - - you "newbie" you!!  you just gave this "oldie"
satisfaction that i'm not going nuts.  but i must admit - - that singer
sounds an awful lot like amy singing soft.   doncha all think???

peace,
- jen hall

> i'm usually somewhat clueless, but this i know. . .  okay, well i don't
know
> her name, but the 1st verse is the singer from k's choice.  they opened
for
> ig in december of 1994, & that's where the recording comes from.  you can
> also find it on the kc promo for their "the great subconscious club" cd.

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subject:      igc?  trivia question - jetson's hands

so what is unique about the jetson's hands???  i dont know.  ruh row george.
probably to late to get a free album anyway.  if anyone knows the answer to
this trivia question please e-mail me personaly.  if anyone knows how it
pertains to ig e-mail me personally, too.

...raise your hands, raise your hands high...

pj

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if i remeber, is it that they have no fingers, just hands...i mean
fingers are like together..... heck that is my guess...i am pictureing
them in my head!
bye for now....wounder if i am right?
scott in alaska
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subject:      re: ig on the radio

i will have to say
(as she reaches in her pockets for some pennies)
that when i first heard galileo on mtv i shouted
noooooooooooooooooooooooo
through the first verse
and then bitched about it the rest of the day

but like you i want everyone to love ig
so i guess i would have to say i'm split on the issue
how about ig can be on "underground" stations
that only other music of the similar genre is played?

anjeanette.. who wishes to take a long catnap like a cat.. curled up!
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subject:      re: ig on the radio

i thought alec had a good take on it...i must admit i'm
two hearted about it....i think part of the problem may
be that the pop culture has become a multi conglomerate
mega corporate monster selling hippness to the masses..
a record doesn't necessarily get played because it's good...
it mostly get's played because someone has spent a hell of
a lot of money promoting it...
i was just talkin' the other night to some friends and the
question we pondered was this..
"is popular culture defined by the people or by the media ?"
do people really have a say ? or is it all just spoon fed to the
willing masses who are eager to be manipulated ??? then someone
pointed out that the "underground" culture is just as controlled.
interesting point.

..i was scanning billboard when po2 was released as a single
and there was no mention of it in their new release section...
however vanessa williams released a single that was hyped to the roof
and seemed to go directly onto the charts....nothing against vw...
but i doubt that this happened because of her genius. then i get hacked off
because ig writes songs that are so good they need to be heard even
if it means sharing them with undiscerning music consumers.
then i looked at a top 10 chart from ten
years ago and could only recall one song.
i guess what i'm babbling about is that it seems popular culture is
not defined by the populace ... it is spoon fed by corporate interests..
and maybe this is why we are afraid lest ig gets sucked into the machine.
but hey... they are 'strong and mean', i think they can handle it :)

and by the way, i was waaay suprised at how big ig really is !!

but all is not doom and gloom...with the internet and other avenues
we are able to access the stuff that is overlooked by whoever "they" are ;)
but one benefit of popularity is that it ensures access to an artists work.
(do you realize that laura nyro is one of the great songwriters of
our times and sheet music for her songs are not in print ??? what ?
never heard of her? thats why...joni mitchell's songbooks are
also not what they used to be )
i still would love to her amy share her thoughts on the state
of the music 'industry'...it seems as though she has some definite opinions
(what does she mean by "implode" ?)
ah well in the words of joni mitchell :

"oh the power and the glory
just when you're gettin' a taste for worship
they start bringing out the hammer
and the boards
and the nails......"

yknib

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subject:      re: ig on the radio

oh what the hell...
i'm talkin outa my butt
95% of all of the really great art of antiquity
was lost before we ever got to see it..
thats what will happen to our 'culture' too.
when all is said and done our culture will probably end up
being defined by plastic 'happy meals' action figures
and the theme song to 'baywatch'

yknib

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subject:      re: ig on the radio
in-reply-to:  <199612030437.xaa225462@acs1.bu.edu> from "anjeanette milner" at
              dec 2, 96 11:37:33 pm

i, for one, *love* to hear the girls on the radio!  they're so much better
than 99% of what gets played regularly, and they deserve the recognition
of being given airplay.  to me, it's the sound of the music that can make
a song or group too "commercial", not whether it's being played too much.
i always shout and start singing along.  (okay, so i'm usually in the car.)

just my .02

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subject:      whoa!  help me!!!

hey all...
sorry i haven't been around..  i'm officially still not on the list (i
just have too many things to do...)  but i have a question for y'all...

my friend played for me an ig song that i have never heard!!!!!
(and i thought that this wasn't possible......)
it started out something like, "i can tell by your eyes that you've been
crying forever..."  and the chorus went, "i don't wanna talk about it,
how you broke me heart.."
it was a good studio recording, not some concert show...  and i am totally
baffled!!!!!!  she said that the name of the song was "i don't wanna talk
about it"...    what album is this from?  who wrote it?  i need details....
are there more where this came from?   this is driving me nuts- aghhh!!!

there you are:  your misssion, should you choose to accept it. =)

thanks!
-mandy
=) =) =)

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subject:      ig's on the radio, getting popular, etc.

there is an irony here that many seem to be missing...but those who've been
here for a while will probably get a chuckle from...this little discussion
about how "big" we want the ig's to get has gone on before, at least two or
three times since i've been here.  i can remember going to see shows on the
nis tour and bitching that they'd lost some of the itimacy of their old club
dates when they started playing sheds like the mann music center in philly
and bigger halls like the beacon in nyc.  they stopped talking to the crowd
as much and the set lists were suddenly set in stone.  someone, maybe steve
spencer, said during the rop tour that the ig's were suddenly a
"professional act" and while, good for them, it was sort of sad (or
something to that effect).

i remember going to the radio city shows during the so tour and coming away
slightly upset--the girls were almost slick then.  but, it's a natural
growth process, and i do think, barring something really odd like a hit
single (a'la say melissa), they're not going to get much bigger.  i doubt
we'll see the ig's playing stadium shows next summer.

yes, i'm selfish, but i don't want the ig's to explode.  it's hard enough to
get tickets now--can you imagine if they went into some sort of heavy
rotation on aaa radio?  it'd be a nightmare.  and, a huge influx of new fans
could seriously damage the truly wonderful atmosphere at a show.  anyone who
went to bucknell, 1994 saw how people not familiar with the ig's music could
damage a show (much pushing; sexist, homophobic, drunk frat boys in the
crowd, etc).  an analogy can be drawn to the dead--the huge influx of new
fans in the late 80s and early 90s changed shows to the point where i
stopped wanting to go.  an indigo girls show is not a dead show, but bring
in a couple of thousand people who don't understand the prevailing culture,
and things could get sorta nasty.

who knows, but i'm glad i have my memories of places like the bottom line
and the mean fiddler in london.  barring unannounced gigs or a move to
atlanta, i know i'll never see the ig's that way again...

peace,
bill


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subject:      re: ig on the radio

in a message dated 96-12-02 17:58:53 est, indigo@kirk.anderson.edu (joanne)
writes:

>
>          part of me wants to share them with everyone because they're
awesome
>  and deserve to have the entire world as their fans, but. . .
>
>          part of me wants to keep them to myself (or "ourselves") so they
>  don't become mainstream and get lost in the pop culture. (but could that
>  ever happen?)
>

as someone who has always prided myself on my musical open-mindedness, i tend
to overcompensate, so that when an artist i followed from the beginning
(phish, bt) starts to hit the mainstream i begin to listen to them less
frequently, and may even tire of them.  for this reason, i hope the ig never
make it big (by the average top-40-joe-shmo's standards).  of course, i wish
them success, but i seriously doubt that a&e's criterion for success is that
they are played on mtv 20 times a day, or having kids who can't appreciate
their music listen to them for merely the fact that they're on the billboard
hit lists.  certain less talented artists need to be popular because that's
how they make their money.  but the ig have loyal fans who will go to all
their shows and buy all their albums so there isn't that need for popularity.

just an example, this week-end my dad watched watershed with me and when the
pot video came on he asked me if it had been a hit because he recognized it.
i thought, 'oh no, even my _dad_ has heard this song before!'

have a good one!

-sheri :)

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_    _----_          o   |...when you learn
{ ~\_/    o \   o  o      |to love yourself
{ ~ _  ]    <  o          |you will dissolve
{_~/ \_    _/             |all the stones
       \/--               |that are cast...
seaphish@aol.com         | -amy ray
seallen@sprintmail.com
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ok, i feel that i have to put my $.02 in cause well, isn't that what
procrastination is all about, finding any excuse to not do what you're
supposed to be doing?  besides, i'm always lashing out to my friends about
radio airplay 'cause i simply can't stand listening to the radio, at least
those mainstream stations.  there are some pretty phat stations in nyc
though, although sad to say, they're all becoming mainstream, which sucks
big time.  anyways, how's that for a contradiction?
about binky's dilemma (pun intended for all you simon & garfunkel fans out
there, i'm still waiting for ig to cover one of their songs, unless they
did already and i just don't know about it).  media definitely plays a big
role in determining what actually becomes a top 10 hit.  of course, if
they really push hootie and the radio dj's shove that shit down our
throats, some of us (not us, specifically, but the market as a whole) will
think wow, they must be cool, they're on the radio every 5 minutes!  so,
they run out and buy the extremely mediocre album, the record companies
say hey, hootie's selling well, we're gonna push them even more!  so, now
they're on the radio every 2 minutes.  woo-hoo! (uh-hem, note the sarcasm
in my voice) it's all a vicious cycle.  the public loves cause they're
forced to love.  there are plenty of good, really good indie bands.  but,
they don't get the publicity.  i think that an indie band is
extremely lucky to actually get reviewed in rolling stone, and i don't
know if that's a blessing or a curse.  and so, these poor fledgling bands
with a message are thrown away to the sidelines because they don't sell
enough albums to make a major label take notice.  and if for some reason,
a major label does take notice, then it's make money or your out.  freedie
johnston comes to mind here.  his this perfect world (on elektra, i
think) got 4 stars in rs, awesome reviews all around, got some airplay on
the alternative stations, but the album didn't really sell.  and now he's
back on an indie label.  what happened to promoting art just for the sake
of promoting art?
now, i'm not saying that there aren't good bands who are doing well, cause
of course there are.  i happen to like counting crows, i know, adam
duritz is a whiner and a dylan wanna-be, but he's cool like that, and they
seem to doing well.  but, it seems that for every ig band, there are 10
ace of base bands.  uugh!
but, there's one bright spot in all of this, the test of vitality.  20
years from now, ig'll still be doing their thing, not selling out, they're
not going to change their ideals just cause it'll sell more records.  i
mean, look at the dead.  i think they may have had 1 or 2 commercial hits,
other than that, none of their albums really sold like their concerts, and
yet, they persevered.  power to them!  yeah jerry!  yeah em and amy!
thank god they are the few who are actually interested in music and not in
making money.
ok y'all, flame away...

veronica


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        and it's one true route that you bring to me
        i said it's 3 am, and it's good company
        hey kind friend, help me forget where i've been
        hey kind friend, help me remember who i am

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subject:      ig on the radio

well, here i am trying to read the next 100 pages of song of solomon for
class when an interesting debate seems to be going on in indigo land.  for
what it is worth i have to agree with a lot of what has been said.  the
indigo girls are already big, and may get a little bigger, but they have
done so well without hitting the top ten!!!  amy and emily seem to be doing
just fine without the extra radio time.

i think that between this list and all of the other ig fans out there that
a+e will be in buisness for as long as they so desire.  i have to agree with
the fact that it would be horrible if ig concerts attracted frat boys who
don't give a @#$!@#$@$ about what a+e are singing about.

the indigo girls eminate such great power through their style and lyrics
that i would hate to see people not even caring enough to listen to what
they are saying.

well....enough rambling..must get back to milkman and guitar(for those of
you who have read song of solomon):)

have a great day!!!
tucker


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subject:      philadelphia

hi everyone...

the song "i don't wanna talk about it" is from the soundtrack to the movie
philadelphia.  it was my main reason for buying it!  :)

'night now...

donna
college of engineering, rutgers university
new brunswick, nj

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>
> it's an old song by the finnish composer sibelius, so i'd bet the sheet
> music is in your local library, but i don't know if ig did a special
> arrangement of it.  has anyone ever heard the original?  is it a choral
> piece, perhaps?  (i'd look it up, but i live in a rural area without a
> local library right now.)

as a matter of fact, yes!
finlandia was written by jean sibelius as an orchestral tone poem
promoting finnish nationalism, based on an old folk tune from the country.
it is a beautiful and rousing piece.  if there are lyrics associated with
the original tune, he did not write them.  i am thinking that there is not
a sheet music available of the choral trio performed by the girls and
caroline.

the reason i know this much: i played it in our local youth symphony when
i was in high school. i also am a small sibelius freak. (help! i'm a small
sibelius freak! ...maybe that's not funny if you aren't in the middle of
finals right now...) :)

>
> tom
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subject:      stereotypes

just a quick note to all of you regarding the little debate going on in
the list..
i think it's a great topic, and very interesting, but i have noticed twice
now the reference to "drunken frat boys." now i don't mean to be nitpicky,
but i think we should remember that any stereotype is a stereotype. can
you imagine the flames if someone referred to a group as "man-hating
lesbians," for example? whether or not you have had bad/good experiences
with fraternities, imho it's best not to generalize any group.
in fact, my boyfriend is an officer in his fraternity and loves the ig.
just to show the two aren't mutually exclusive :)

just my .02, everybody...

okay, donning flame-retardant gear....                          emily

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subject:      trivia

hello!

could it be that the jetsons, fingers were drawn with five fingers,
instead of 3 fingers and a thumb like the cartoons today are?  i think it
is that the jetsons had five fingers, and that makes them unique to
today's cartoons!!

maybe you know this already! i hope that i am not too late
big smile
scott (in alaska)
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subject:      las cruces boot closed

the offer to dub the las cruces ig show is now closed.

please, do not send any more requests asking for spots on the tape tree.

don't worry.  if you haven't been able to get in on this round, i will
offer it again after the new year.

the response has been tremendous so please bear with me.  a branch
assignment will be posted later today.

thanks sooooooo much to all of you who volunteered to be branches.  you
have saved my butt.  there is no way i could fill all the requests
without your help.  hopefully the quality of the seed will show you my
thanks.

talk to ya'll soon

carrie

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subject:      what makes crazy game special

well, many many people (too many to list) got the fact that crazy game is
the one song where amy sings the first verse although she did not write the
song.  the other thing i was looking for was that it is also the only
officially released ig song where both sing but only one plays guitar.  in
other words, amy doesn't play guitar, and she gets to dance!  :-)

my favorite answer probably goes to shana(jak) <knave4@aol.com>:

>that would be "crazy game"
>
>what else is different:
>um.........................
>
>its the only song in which amy has the melody in the chorus (on a song she
>didn't write)
>its the only song on strange fire using a flute
>it has guitar chords that look like algebra equations
>on live at the uptown lounge its the only song which amy sings but doesn't
>play
>
>could you tell i was digging for answers? :-)

other answers for what makes it different generally commented on its style,
which is clearly a departure from the rest of the music.  which brought up
an interesting conversation between deb reiser and myself: why do you think
they chose this song as the first ig single ever?  did they intend this to
be their style, or was it consciously different from the norm for them?
weren't they afraid that as the first single it would give people the wrong
impression?  for instance, ctf was an extremely appropriate first single
because it has a lot more to do with who ig are.  any thoughts???

now for another trivia question, but this one isn't mine.  it actually came
from lorindigo as a follow up to her correct answer to the crazy game
question.  i must admit that i do not know the answer to this one, but i
thought i would throw it out.

name the other early song (besides crazy game) in which amy sings but does
not play guitar.

well, take care everyone.  i am really enjoying all the responses to this
trivia.  i will have to think up another good one for y'all.  (that is,
unless andi wants to ask another one - i don't want to step on her toes. :)

:dwayne

djarrell@ix.netcom.com
"i don't know what you saw,
i want someone who can see me" - dar williams, "as cool as i am"

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subject:      girlfriends magazine

hey y'all!

i keep forgetting to post about this.  i was in a bookstore this weekend,
and i came across a copy of a magazine called "girlfriends" (i think - what
a ceesy name!).  i picked it up only because i saw ferron's name on the
cover.  (the cover story was apparently about kd lang but i didn't really
care myself.)

so i flip to the one-page interview with ferron.  the facing page was a
picture from her latest cd, still riot (with the owl).  i skim through the
interview.  they are talking about whether women's music is dead because the
folk music part is being taken over by the popularity of alternative grrrrl
groups like tribe 8 (a bunch of useless crap if ya ask me).

but then, in the third and final column, there is finally something of note
- the interviewer asked ferron about the illustrious emily saliers appearing
on the last two cds.  ferron says that that came about because of a mutual
respect as artists.  but then she says that she really respects ig because
of their spirit and the fact that they 'walk the talk'.  the (lame)
interviewer asked if there were any instances ferron could recall, and
ferron said no, they just always walk the talk.  it was really cool.

the interview then takes another evil turn when she (?) tries to insinuate
that the fact that tori amos did not appear on the new one means that ferron
has lost respect for tori.  ferron responds that tori apparently just wasn't
available.

so overall, i got the impression that the magazine was a complete rag, but i
thought ferron's ig comments were cool.  (of course i already knew that
ferron was ultra-cool herself.  :)

whatever,

:dwayne

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subject:      indigo dyeing (nigc)

konichiwa ig list friends,
        this is more indigo than girls, but it's often hard for me to
separate the two.  a couple of weeks ago i went to an old japanese man's
house/workshop to learn how to do indigo dyeing.  it was amazing!  you see,
i'm almost as big a fan of the color indigo, as i am of the girls.  there i
was sticking my hands & tie dye hankerchief, into century old pottery vats
full of 100% pure, tangled up in blue, indigo.  by the way, your hands
don't turn blue, nor does your hankie until they mix with water.  out back,
in his 200yr. old shed, he had a huge pile, the kind you just want to jump
into, of the unprocessed plant.  wow, i am ready to harvest!  i just wish i
could've tie-dyed "lines crossing into a hand and a heart that would never
bleed".  maybe next time.  for now, i've got a very zen like hankie with a
lone butterfly and a couple of circles.
      now for some ig encouragement to those who are battling with the
argument, "to mainstream or not to mainstream" or "selfish vs. unselfish".
ig have not gone mainstream in japan! you can find ig cds in virgin or
tower records, but that is about it.  the real determinant of popularity
(or lack thereof) is that i have not seen one song of theirs at any karaoke
places, but i keep hoping!   i do try to increase their air time by playing
ig songs on the high school radio where i teach.  some kids like it,  but
jap-pop always wins in the end.
         thanks y'all for keeping me up on ig from across the world.
sayonara,  -mar

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              "simply v" at dec 3, 96 12:43 am

> about binky's dilemma (pun intended for all you simon & garfunkel fans out
> there, i'm still waiting for ig to cover one of their songs, unless they
> did already and i just don't know about it).

well, sorta.  ig covered "american tune" which is from the paul simon
solo era, but also played by s&g during the concert in the [central]
park (1981 wasn't it?).  anyway, i always think of the concert in the
park version as the "definitive version" -- the song was made for the
harmonies of both s&g and loses something without them.

a&e's version is done in an soulful a capella and is quite nice.  its
on a lot of boots and is comercially availiable on one of the ben &
jerry's newport folk festival cd's (i think 1989-90).

for the record, a&e have also covered "duncan". not a s&g song, but a
damn fine paul simon number. that's availiable on the video boot that
is currently making the rounds....

you alsom might want to look at the credits of joan baez's recordings
of "the boxer."  she likes to perform that as a closer and has been
known to bring guests on stage to sing it with her.  for example, in
december 1995 at the sanders theatre dar williams was doing some back
up on it.  ig and joan play together a great deal and it wouldn't
suprise me if ig were on a tape or two....

if you find something, let me know!

                        i've lost my harmonica albert,

                                        chris


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subject:      re: indigo dyeing (nigc)

call me sensitive, but this is one japanese-american struggling with the
offensiveness of the term "jap-pop". i'm open to explanation... but let's
be careful with the terms we throw around.

connie

on wed, 4 dec 1996 00:08:34 +0900 wrote...
>konichiwa ig list friends,
some kids like it,  but
>jap-pop always wins in the end.
>         thanks y'all for keeping me up on ig from across the world.
>sayonara,  -mar
>

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subject:      nigc: aol sympathy...

hi y'all!

i just want to extend my sympathies to all who access this and other lists
through aol.  i have eudora email at work and aol at home.  i sometimes
spend an hour in the morning at work going through my ig and dar mail,
which has made me feel a bit guilty as of late.  so, i decided to join the
list from home through my aol account with the intent to stop the mail from
going to my work address.  well, not only did it take 40 minutes just to be
able to get through to their monster of a modem pool to sign on, but then
when i got confirmation that i had in fact been added to the list, i spent
another 40 minutes trying to log back in and retrieve mail (busy, busy,
busy....)  the last message i sent last nite was "signoff indigo-girls."

the morale of this story:  i just have to learn to deal with the guilt at work.

have a nice day, y'all!

joni  :o)

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subject:      the one simon/garfunkel song a+e should cover...

well, my  imaghination can only guess what emily would do to "bridge over
troubled water" or amy on 42nd street song (feelin groovy) but...


    america. (not american tune, repeat not american tune)

    i do not know what my insides would do hearing either of them sing
"counting the cars on the new jersey highway, they have all gone tyo look
for america..."

   the idea shivers my spine....


   and simon and garfunkle's "live in central park" is such a classic,
meaning if you don't have it, run to get it or put it on you holiday list.
no other live cd can even touch the emotion this show has, maybe the u2 new
years 1990 cd or bob weir the day garcia died may come close, but concert in
central park is a must have.


procrasting
mike r.

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organization: suny at stony brook
subject:      the potential overpopularity of ig

this new topic pulls me different ways
i want others to hear ig, to love ig the way i do, the way we all do
but i don't want them to become lost in the industry (factories
pumping out bush and pumpkins, no offense, i like them too, but
nowhere near as much as ig)

u2's old music makes me feel the same way i do when i hear ig
happy, contented, emotional, alive, and free
then bono got this 'i'm bigger than life' idea in his head and forgot all about those
early days and decided to make achtung baby and not sing any of the
(real) u2 songs from before
i still haven't gotten over that and i play boy and october like they
were made yesterday

i worried from the time i started to listen to ig that this will
happen to them but then i have
to slap myself and say that amy and emily are not like that
so if they are played on mtv or vh1 or those pop/modern rock radio
stations, i can't freak out rather i have to think of it as a present
to the modern/alternative/whatever rock world, a reality check of
what it's like to be true musicians

my .02
may the flames begin

kim

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subject:      re: radio and media

oh good golly miss molly i just can't stop myself..
i find this subject really interesting for some reason.
(like when you are using a table saw and just keep
staring at the blade whirling and whirling and you have
to resist the strange urge to reach out and...touch it...)
......anyway.......

so i have this wierd fantasy that once upon a time
some people made good songs
and they played them on the radio and people really liked them
and the singer gets to quit their shitty job at the tastee freeze
and make music...like in the buddy holly story and
coal miners daughter...have i been watching too many movies
or was it really like that once upon a time ???

i think it really was !!!!
i remember being a kid and listening to the
am radio and loving the monkees when all of a sudden my
friends' big sister started playing these records by
big brother and the holding company with some scary singer
named janis joplin ..but hey they wouldn't play that on top 40
so people started mking their own radio stations where they played
whatever the hell they wanted..and everyone loved it
and these stations became popular then someone figured
out how much money could be made and bought out the stations
because they could make even more money if they turned free
form radio into a format (that way they could track their
profits better..find out what makes the rat push the button faster).

but for one brief shining moment....i didn't dream this...did i ?

music radio pretty much sucks these days [jazz and classical excepted]
(except the little indie stations but i have to touch the radio
with my foot and hold a coat hanger
out the window to get good reception )

and was rolling stone actually a good magazine once
upon a time with interesting in depth articles ?
or was it always a vapid rag that treats women like meat ?
it seems to me that musician and singer songwriter are the
only decent magazines out there for music interviews.

don't touch that whirling blade.....that would be bad.
ciao dahlinks !
binky
(when *i* get my own radio station i'm gonna play ig,
billy holiday, sleater kinney and kathleen battle back to back !
then i'll play joni mitchells' "mingus" nyah ha ha ! )

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in-reply-to:  <199612031646.laa11691@gandalf.umcs.maine.edu>

on tue, 3 dec 1996, michael reynolds wrote:

> well, my  imaghination can only guess what emily would do to "bridge over
> troubled water" or amy on 42nd street song (feelin groovy) but...
>
>
>     america. (not american tune, repeat not american tune)
>
>     i do not know what my insides would do hearing either of them sing
> "counting the cars on the new jersey highway, they have all gone tyo look
> for america..."
>
>    the idea shivers my spine....

well while we're on the subject of what songs ig should cover, i'd like to
hear them do richard thompson's song "hokey pokey" - if you listen to the
original (the title song from the 1974 richard & linda thompson album) it
sounds tailor-made for their harmonies.   also, how about emily singing a
sandy denny song (no end?)?   do ig like fairport convention or any of
their spin-off groups/singers?

mat

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subject:      re: the potential overpopularity of ig

i completly understand the sentiment
of being afraid that overpopularity will 'ruin' ig
actually, i think that overexposure might be a better
word for it.
i am guilty, guilty guilty....i used to love bruce springsteen
in the 'pre-born in the usa' days then lost interest ...
i also must confess that i played the hell out of
melissa ethridges first 3 albums but i got her new one
last christmas and have not even listened to it
all the way through.
but i don't know if 'overpopularity' some how made that
happen or if the responsibility lies with me. does the
musician somehow 'change' or is it my perception ?
hootie was just a hard working bar band before they
hit it big time... smashing pumkins, bush, alanis...
they were all just aspiring musicians struggling and
working hard before they 'made it' ...

not famous = these guys are good !
famous = they bite

it's interesting how much we are negatively as well as positively
affected by the amount of exposure a group or musician gets.
why do you think that is ?
why are the songs of ig that get played on the radio
(least complicated and galileo...for me) my least favorites now ?
i first heard them on the radio when they played
loves recovery and land of caanan...and that was a good thing !!!

i am afraid that i am a shallow little weasle
just as ready to eat my young as the next guy.
maybe that's what most of us are afraid of.
or maybe it's just that we aren't little lab rats and anything
gets annoying if you hear it too much (even ig).
whiiiiirrrrrrr !
bink

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subject:      stereotypes

emily is right in that no stereotypes should be used.  sorry that i didn't
think before i wrote!!!

hope any guys in frat land out there will accept my grovelling(sp?) state!!:)
anyway..i need to get some sleep before my 8:15!

signing off..tucker


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>you have to laugh at yourself
>because you'd cry your eyes out
>if you didn't
>---ig
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you have to laugh at yourself
because you'd cry your eyes out
if you didn't
---ig
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reply-to:     oh susanna <oh.susanna@dartmouth.edu>
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from:         "susan b. marine" <susan.b.marine@dartmouth.edu>
subject:      jethro lives (but i wish he didn't)-nigc

--- you wrote (about crazy game)
>its the only song on strange fire using a flute
--- end of quoted material ---

and thank jeezus for that!!!! i detest the sf version of crazy game, can anyone
back me up on that? i feel like i am in the middle of some weird jethro
tull-esqe thing when i hear that version! peeeee-yuke!

okay, i'm calm ;)

anyhoo, i 'm guessin its also the shortest ig song on the studio albums (not
"of all time" folks, please...lets not start a huge string of
but-i-have-a-version-of-hand-me-downs-
thats-like-20-seconds-long-dude-on-a-bootleg-from-their-june
-15th-1989-concert-in-muncie-indiana, k?), but having never timed it i am not
certain on that---thoughts?

and in a related question, is tmf the longest ig song on the albums?

guess if i wasn't so lazy id go look huh? :)

enuff babbling. missed y'all! the ani list tends to be, ummm, insipid and the
dar list is a snoozer.. i have a new appreciation for the ig list!

bad to the bone,
susan

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subject:      nigc anyone for seattle?

well, i wrote sundara bout her opinion on washington state and seattle
itself.  she suggested i write to the list, so here it goes.....

i am hopefully going to be doing an americorps program next year instead of
going back to school.  it will give me the chance to establish residency,
take a break, and will help pay for school the following year.

anyway...my first two choices are washington and wisconsin, so  i was just
looking for input on what people thought of these places.  people, night
life, schools, ect...

any information would be great.

please email me privately if you have any words of wisdom!!!

thanks and have an indigo day!
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if you didn't
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organization: pooh inc
subject:      nigc joni mitchell

just picked up her 2 new cd's..
hits has all those tunes that take me back almost 30 years...but
misses..thats the cd to listen to..all her misses were my favorite hits.
and as much as i love emily..she can't touch joni on river
check this one ( these 2 ??) out

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subject:      re: joni mitchell vs. emily on river
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i disagree...i think that emily's voice is a lot smoother than joni
mitchell's on river, and it is emily that makes the whole song more
aesthetic.  of course, this is based on the "river" off joni's "blue"
album.  what do y'all think?

                               jamie a suthard
                        <suthardj@ralph.southwestern.edu>

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subject:      overexposure

i want to make a minor change to my subject heading of my last
message
i winced after i sent it because i wanted to change the heading
because i didn't want to say overpopularity either
i was like, yikes, that sure sounds negative

so maybe more like "potential overexposure (thanks, binky!) hurting
ig"

in response to binky's question of why does the amount of exposure a
band gets negatively as well as positively affect our feelings for
them or their songs - imho, and experience, i worked with a girl one
summer who had heard least complicated on the radio and totally fell
in love with it
then she bought so and i thought, yeah! another person to talk
incessantly (hee, hee) about ig with
but when she brought the cd to work, all she played was lc
she didn't like the rest and even though i tried to persuade her to
listen to my other ig tapes, she refused
it was lc and zip, nada, zilch

now that's fine, i can understand loving one song by a band but it
kind of made me sad that she didn't even want to give the rest of
their music a chance
it seemed like to her lc was the only good song by ig

i think it's cool when i hear ig unexpectedly on the radio (hasn't
happened in a long time, since i moved)
but at the same time i get a little nervous thinking what mass media
will do to their songs
i guess i want to protect ig (as if they need it or even asked me :))
from people who only take them at face value and think of them as the
writers and/or singers of least complicated
i can't help it - the girls are my favorite!

thanks, y'all

kim

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subject:      nigc bdays

december 3
boilrmkr@bu.edu (anjeanette milner)
happy birthday, anjeanette!!
you said the world was magic i was wide-eyed and laughing...
you said good friends are hard to come by
i laughed, bought you a beer
it was too corny to ...

mhb@entelechy.com (monique barbanson)
happy birthday, monique!!
then you had to bring up reincarnation over a coupla beers the other night
and now i'm serving time for mistakes made by another in lifetim...

cath@efn.org (catherine)
i'll be the first to praise the sun, the first to praise the moon
the first to hold the lone coyote, the last to set it free...

have an indigo year!

side note: the computer geniuses here made another cluster for emails, and
all of them (the clusters) have names.  there's homer, saul, carson,
becker, and the newest one is dante.  the bg thinks that these names are
overly pale-male-centric, and would like to suggest other names.  like how
bout audre, or alice, or ani, or, come to think of it, emily or amy?  this
is a very pressing issue (much moreso than world hunger or republicans or
anything like that) and the bg thinks everyone should drop whatever
they're doing and storm the computer center!

love and finals frazzeledness,
the bg

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in-reply-to:  <mailqueue-101.961203133715.416@psych1.psy.sunysb.edu>

i'm with binky on this one, i can't seem to get enough of this topic.  one
thing that i've always admired about the girls is their unwillingness to
sellout, which seems to be mighty hard to do in show-biz.  i mean, take
alanis morissete as an example.  she was the debbie gibson of canada, and
then, they told her to get a little harder, you'll really be something,
and so she did, and now her face is plastered all over mtv.  i guess that
she got what she wanted, but all i know is that if i had the talent to
play music professionally, i'd do it because i loved music (i kind of
wished that i'd continued those piano lessons, cause then i'd be able to
play winthrop and still have it sound like winthrop =) but, the girls have
become popular, maybe not mainstream enough for rolling stone or
billboard, but they're popular enough to have a loyal fanbase, which is
so rare nowadays, a following who admires them not for image or their
hipness (although em and amy are pretty cool in my book), but rather for
their words, their music, their message.  and that's what matters to them,
which makes me admire them even more.  they may kid around about being in
it only for the money, but we all know the truth.  sure, this is how they
make their living, but they also manage to keep their integrity, their
idea of what they want to do, they don't have others telling them that
they should stop writing poetic songs, you need a harder edge.  if they
want a slightly harder edge, well, hell's they got amy!  for some reason,
and i could be making all of this up, but i remember once hearing that
they didn't sign to a major label because of the fact that they feared
that the label would want them to sell out, and so they made specific
agreements with epic to let them do what they had been doing for so long.
and i think that that's just awesome. other artists get their lawyers to
make them more money, em and amy whip their lawyers out to ensure that
they'll be allowed to make their music their music, not just some
carbon-copy shit.  and so, for that reason, i don't think i'd mind if ig
got a little more airplay (all i'm asking for is a little more, which
wouldn't be too hard now because i think i've heard ig on the radio maybe,
uhm, let me think...once).  let them be heard, they really should be
heard.  i mean, i'm sure i'd have mixed emotions about hearing them right
after hootie, but then that would probably make me appreciate and notice
their already abundunt talent after hearing a band with such a lack of
talent (ooh, that's harsh...)

veronica


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        and i ask you for some relief
        and it's one true route that you bring to me
        i said it's 3 am, and it's good company
        hey kind friend, help me forget where i've been
        hey kind friend, help me remember who i am

                                        -- amy ray
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subject:      nigc..hey minneapolians!!

can any one tell me where the bus and train station are in relation to
the airport??
and where all of that is in relation to hennipen and 22nd st......

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subject:      re: whoa! help me!!!

in a message dated 96-12-03 00:41:41 est, warra5c0 writes:

>my friend played for me an ig song that i have never heard!!!!!
>(and i thought that this wasn't possible......)
>it started out something like, "i can tell by your eyes that you've been
>crying forever..."  and the chorus went, "i don't wanna talk about it,
>how you broke me heart.."
>it was a good studio recording, not some concert show...  and i am totally
>baffled!!!!!!  she said that the name of the song was "i don't wanna talk
>about it"...    what album is this from?  who wrote it?  i need details....

the song is from the "philadephia" movie sound track.  the movie stars tom
hanks.
rod stewart also sings a version of this song that is played on the radio.
we all know however who sings the better version!!!

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subject:      j-pop (nigc)

help!  my first ig post and apparently i wasn't very pc.  from the posting
"indigo dyeing", i mentioned jap-pop (or j-pop) which is what many people
here (foreignors & japanese people) call the current trend in japanese
popular music.  i really wouldn't know what else to call it because the
style is different from us or european current pop.  next time i won't
abbreviate, it certainly wasn't intended to offend.  words can be dangerous
things-mar

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subject:      re: overexposure
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hi everyone--

i'm pretty much of a lurker, but this discussion really got me thinking,
so i thought i'd contribute my $.02 on the subject.  i'm really happy to
have found a group of loyal indigo girls fans, especially in this
techno-medium, but concerns about overexposure kind of disturb me just a
leeetle bit.  maybe part of it is about access--not everyone has access to
the internet and these kinds of groups; cds are expensive (as we all
know); if the radio plays the indigo girls they're much cheaper to hear.
we can't really control whether or not amy and emily "sell out" to the
music business (though thank whoever they seem to have no intention of
doing so), but to a certain extent, their songs seem to speak for
themselves.  maybe they seem to lose their meaning if they're overplayed,
but i'm sure i "overplay" the indigo girls more than any radio station
ever would or could in decades!

i have to admit, i have this nasty optomistic streak in me that thinks,
"well, if the indigo girls end up as a greater part of pop culture, then
maybe there is the potential that pop culture can change to incorporate
those aesthetic ideals we love"  though we like to bag on it, pop culture
is always becoming . . something--and i think that while we bag on it, in
some way we're implicated in it (in whatever vexed and complicated way).
and, if people are always in the process of becoming. . themselves, or
others, even people drunken pushy seemingly disrespectful people do have
the potential to appreciate good lyrics.  as for twelve year olds singing
galileo--hey, i'd rather think of twelve year olds parroting "how long
till my soul gets it right" than "f*** everyone (or whatever)" anyday,
even if they don't understand the full philosophico-theological traditions
indicated by the line.  my own favorite singers at that age included joni
mitchell and joan baez, and it seems as if that might have something to do
with who i am and what music i listen to today.

oh.  i'm sorry about the high horse.  i'm ducking now.  it's just this
darn optimism that made me write.  awaiting flames..

larin

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subject:      gay marriage wins (for now at least) in hawaii-nigc but much
              joy...

not that this means we get a lot, but i thought you all would wanna
know....it's a pretty cool step in some ways...

hawaii court: lesbian & gay couples should be allowed to  marry

lambda legal defense and education fund

news release

for immediate release
tuesday, december 3, 1996

contact:
peg byron 212-995-9475, 800-314-5149 pager
evan wolfson 212-995-8986
dan foley 808-526-9500


hawaii court: lesbian & gay couples should be allowed to marry

lambda wins historic ruling against discrimination in civil marriage law

(honolulu & new york, december 3, 1996)   for the first time in u.s.
history
a state court ruled tuesday that civil marriage law cannot discriminate
against lesbian and gay couples. a hawaii court ruled in the case brought by
honolulu civil rights lawyer dan foley and lambda legal defense and
education
fund on behalf of three lesbian and gay couples.

"this is a historic moment for lesbians and gay men," said lambda marriage
project director evan wolfson, who with foley is co-counsel in the case,
baehr v. miike, tried in honolulu this fall.  "when required at our trial to
justify its discriminatory marriage law, the government couldn't do it.  the
court today agreed that there is no compelling or logical reason for
discriminating against lesbian and gay couples," wolfson said.

speaking from lambda's new york headquarters, wolfson said, "this case
made a
major breakthrough toward ending second-class status for gay families. this
decision marks the beginning of the end to sex discrimination in marriage."

lambda is spearheading a national movement to end sex discrimination in
civil
marriage, and to protect lesbian and gay families.

>from honolulu, foley, who litigated baehr v. miike from its earliest stages,
said, "judge kevin chang made the only decision that he could, given the
evidence in this case.  this decision is not only historic, but of vital
personal consequence to the couples who want to get married."

foley added, "now that the court has ruled, the state should immediately
issue civil marriage licenses to the couples in this case."

foley, through the hawaii equal rights marriage project, and wolfson
presented the case for two lesbian couples and one gay male couple seeking
civil marriage licenses in hawaii.

the three couples, ninia baehr and genora dancel, pat lagon and joseph
melillo, and antoinette pregil and tammy rodrigues were denied marriage
licenses by the state department of health in late 1990.  in 1991, they
jointly filed a lawsuit alleging the denial was unconstitutional and
eventually the case was appealed to the hawaii supreme court.

in 1993, the state supreme court ruled that, under hawaii's constitution,
allowing civil marriage licenses only for opposite-sex couples and not for
same-sex couples is sex discrimination.  the court ordered the state to show
what "compelling" interest justifies such discrimination in civil marriage.

judge chang of the first circuit court of hawaii heard the case at a
nine-day, bench trial, september 10-20.  deputy state attorney general rich
eichor argued on behalf of director lawrence miike of the state department
of
health, which has jurisdiction over marriage licenses.

lambda executive director kevin cathcart said, "this victory is important
progress for the civil rights of lesbians and  men in hawaii and throughout
the country.  just as the legal protections and recognition that come with
civil marriage should be available to everyone regardless of race, religion,
and ethnicity, they should be available to everyone regardless of sex or
sexual orientation."

cathcart added, "just a generation ago, for example, courts ended state
discrimination against marriages between people of different races. today's
ruling takes a similar step toward ending state discrimination against the
marriages of lesbian and gay couples."

two of the plaintiffs in the landmark case, ninia baehr and genora dancel,
who now live in baltimore, quickly stated their exuberance with the ruling.
"many people around the country helped break through this wall of
discrimination.  while we face much more work ahead to secure this right
nationally, ninia and i are deeply honored to be part of today's victory,"
dancel said.

"our love made it possible for me and genora to get through this long legal
fight," baehr said.  "i'm looking forward to our love getting us to our
wedding on a mountain slope in maui," she said.

lambda legal director beatrice dohrn said.  "without civil marriage, gay
couples often face painful, difficult situations, like being barred from the
hospital bedside of a partner in a medical emergency. lesbian and gay couples
have had no access to the legal, economic, and practical protections of civil
marriage that non-gay couples can take for granted."

other protections withheld from gay couples include access to family health
coverage, immigration, divorce, and inheritance rights.  lesbians and gay men
also are denied protection for their children and may lose custody when their
partner dies.

dohrn said, "our society is structured so that hundreds of legal obligations
and protections are available only through civil marriage.  it's time the law
stopped saying  no' to those who want and need to say  i do.'  the choice of
whether or not two people get married belongs to the couple, not the state."

the prospect of ending marriage discrimination against same-sex couples has
fueled recent backlash campaigns by the religious right to promote state and
federal anti-marriage legislation like the federal defense of marriage act,
wolfson said.

he noted that doma does not ban marriages for gay couples but would
discriminate against legally married gay couples by allowing  federal
protections and benefits only for heterosexual married couples.

wolfson said, "the absurdly named  defense of marriage' act, like the 16
state bills passed against equal marriage rights for lesbians and gay men, is
unconstitutional and will be defeated.  state by state, court by court, we
will put an end to this illogical and cruel discrimination."

lambda is the oldest and largest legal organization dedicated to the civil
rights of lesbians, gay men, and people with aids and hiv.

------------------------------


----

"for tonight i went running through the screen doors of discretion, for i woke
up from a nightmare that i could not stand to see, you were a-wandering out on
the hills of iowa, and you were not thinking of me..."
-dar williams

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i still vote...
let it be
the long and winding road
or
live and let die.

meg
mkmst23+@pitt.edu

*what you see is human
screaming from the minarets*

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subject:      las cruces tape tree

hi folks.

well...here it is..  *sigh*...  thanks for the tons of responses....

i am busting my tushie so i can get the seeds out to all the branches by
the end of this week.  so...if you are a leaf, be patient.

trades:  if i had discussed trades with you and your name is not assigned
to a branch, that's because i am your branch and i will be getting back
to all of you probably by the end of the week.  i have responded to some
of you kind folks and worked on trades.  but...i am getting the seeds out
first, and then will be dubbing your copies right afterward.  so..i will
be organizing what boots i have and then getting with you about what you
have so generously offered.  you all are such "kind friends".


branches:

many of you have replied to me with your address.  thanks much.  i will
be getting your seeds out to you within the next two days.  if you
haven't sent me your address, please do so so i can get your copy to
you as quickly as possible.

there are also some people waiting in the wings, seeing whether or not
they can still get their boot.  so...if you have volunteered to be a
branch already, please let me know.  the branch assignments are those who
have responded to me with their address.  i'll add
on to the assignments and post those privately after today if you
haven't been able to send me your address by the time i post this.  no
need to take up any more space than already.


basic instructions:

1.  if your name is not assigned to a branch, and you did get a response
from me telling you that you were added to the list, email me privately
and we will work things out.  if you didn't get a response from me and it
may have been close to the closing, that means that the offer had already
been closed.  don't worry, i will offer it again!!!

2.   once you have found your name and your branch, email them
privately, not to the list.  i've already cluttered up the list enough
with my postings.  each branch has a different preference as to how they
want to work it out the whole dubbing thing.  it is up to the branch on
whether they want sase's, blanks, etc.  they will specify.

3.  remember:  this dub takes a 90 minute tape.  i have provided
jacket covers for all the dubs to the branches, so don't worry about
song order and the like.

4.  finally:  i hope you enjoy this.  it was a wonderful concert, very
intimate setting.  the only thing that stunk was that i couldn't sing
along like everyone else because a) my singing voice sucks, and b) then
it would have turned out sucky.  so..i hope you enjoy it.

if there are any problems, please email me privately.  we'll figure
things out.

happy dubbing!!!!!!!

             l a s   c r u c e s   t a p e   t r e e

branches                             leaves

mary     bazemore@mem.po.com            jan       janinsdale@aol.com
                                        susan k.  kinn@ix.netcom.com
                                        dennis    dgregoro@mit.edu
                                        stephanie lingwood@u.washington.edu
                                        elizabeth wishmonster@aol.com
                                        david     dperham@bbn.com


maureen  hudsonvu@aol.com               chris p  cs942108@ariel.cs.yourku.ca
                                        donna    d6309@prodigy.net
                                        maren    renmar@biwasv01.biwa.or.jp
                                        joan m.  103161.3515@compuserve.com
                                        karen a. 102061.320@compuserve.com
                                        karra    kmcleroy@umich.edu

greta  cgohn@olympus.net                catt     dunawayalt@aol.com
                                        veronica vjt8118@is4.nyu.edu
                                        amy c.   carpen48@pilot.msu.edu
                                        beth     eheasle@emory.edu
                                        robyn    coop43@aol.com
                                        tracy    clumber@halcyon.com

bonnie

bonster@franklin01.u.washington.edu     sue & joyce.  teddie@telepath.com
                                        tiffiny   coffeyt1@mail.firn.edu
                                        kate      katherine.grant@yale.edu
                                        jennie    jriley@sophia.smith.edu
                                        virginia  vrgwolf1@mail.airmail.net
                                        jason     vincent@dfwmm.net

jasmine  jasmine.ma.@yale.edu           lyve     rayler@sprynet.com
                                        jamie    suthardj@southwestern.edu
                                        chiara   lexsite@mbox.vol.it
                                        cathy    cgm4@lehigh.edu
                                        maggie   mwilson@indy.net
                                        alison   alison_kenney@brown.edu

lorie   mediamongr@aol.com              cami     sasscambo@msn.com
                                        sasha    indigofrk@aol.com
                                        alec     alec@pipeline.com
                                        kirsten  kirsten@spike.wellesley.edu
                                        danielle dtomko@smcvt.edu
                                        chris b. cmbecker@space.mit.edu
                                                        intermec.com
                                        elaine   jemccrac@sun1.lib.uci.edu


eileen   emesi@aol.com                  carrie   indigopony@aol.com
                                        kate     kater@merle.acns.nwu.edu
                                        anjeanette  boilrmkr@bu.edu
                                        dave     dsrogers@utk.edu
                                        beth     b_lyall@ix.netcom.com
                                        lisa     lwloutze@students.wisc.edu


pj   pjhoopie@aol.com                   lisa     v-lisal@microsoft.com
                                        tony     medina@utdallas.edu
                                        leslie   hummel@tecc.stnford.edu
                                        mel      mellie2@aol.com
                                        amitchka sl914@cc.usu.edu
                                        lil. charlie  mcwhorte@tiger.
                                                                teclink.net


joan  joan_ferguson@harvard.edu         vicky     skates9@ix.netcom.com
                                        megan     mbarnes151@aol.com
                                        jamie     rosenb2@husc.harvard.edu
                                        nancy     nljohnso@uci.edu
                                        shanna    sfreeman@coe.uga.edu
                                        jacquie   walker@tm.net

susan m.  oh.susanna@dartmouth.edu      bob      dibetta@pacbell.net
                                        kelly    kelly10@nicom.com
                                        rose     nitelite6@aol.com
                                        allison  alhastings@mindspring.com
                                        angie    add2@ra.msstate.edu
                                        julie     jwcalif@aol.com

sam      sam22479@aol.com               alison    alison@netcom.com
                                        janet    jrauscher@agnes.agnesscott.
                                                                      edu
                                        jonny     wuman@warwick.net
                                        margot   m.l.laidacker@mail.utexas.edu
                                        lisa     lvartanian@engpo.msmailgw.
                                        marianne  mlb1@axe.humboldt.edu

amy       litlbits@ix.netcom.com        richard  cobweb@grove.ufl.edu
                                        mj.      mj6333@aol.com
                                        shawn d. paa4687@dpschpll.dpsc
                                        mary jo   galileo000@aol.com
                                        mark      marksalamon@earthlink.net
                                        donna     zkaa75a@prodigy.com

sherri    slj@csulb.edu                 kathy    kmiller@accessone.com
                                        allison  hfcod028@email.csun.edu
                                        tucker    tbranham@richmond.edu
                                        mani     mb1170@mis.finchcms.edu
                                        donna    dheidorn@eden.rutgers.edu
                                        ralph&ivy  sgmpaws@cfanet.com

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hi there!

new person here.   just getting acclimated to the conversation...
wondering if any one thinks the girls don't get enough air time on the
radio.  here in chicago i hardly hear them...

wondering if i have all the albums the ig ever put out.  could someone
send me a list of all their albums?

thanks!


be talking to ya!

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reply-to:     "kim: goddess in her own reality" <rcn@prcn.org>
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from:         "kim: goddess in her own reality" <rcn@prcn.org>
subject:      my apologies to list members...

hey all... it's me; that not so goddess-like goddess...
ummm... jest wanted to say sorry if'n any o' yer posts
bounced on back to you due to my oh so very full e-mail box.
ummm, see... i went outa town + whilst i was having a really
really good time in the big city ( vancouver ) bc tel
decided that if i wanna enjoy the use of a phone and a phone
line through which to access my e-mail ( yikes ), i gotsta
pay my phone bill... do you believe that???? what kinda world
do we live in any way??? ( actually... i did pay my phone bill,
except it was my hydro bill, so now i gots a $220.00 credit with
hydro, but... whole other story about my air headedness prior to
leaving on my trip. ) anyhoo... sorry...:-) ah he he he?
ummm... ig content: my gf heather + i listened to ig for the
entire trip ( interspersed with melissa, of course )... i'm
winning her over!!!! she loves the girl's stuff... especially
tloc...
peace all... kim:-)
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
"don't tell me i'm burning the candle
at both ends... tell me where to get
more wax!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
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   speaking of springsteen, has anyone heard his latest cd? i must say i
am impressed by his new folky sound. i always thought springsteen was
kind of an over-commercialized over-rated rock star. but a neighbor of
mine back in jersey played "tom joad" for me and i couldn't believe "the
boss" turned folk!  i also heard that he has changed his record
label to razor &tie (dar's label). people never cease to amaze me!
ben

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subject:      re: joni mitchell vs. emily on river

>>i disagree...i think that emily's voice is a lot smoother than joni
>>mitchell's on river, and it is emily that makes the whole song more
>>aesthetic.  of course, this is based on the "river" off joni's "blue"
>>album.  what do y'all think?
>>
>>                               jamie a suthard
>>                        <suthardj@ralph.southwestern.edu>
>
>i must disagree; i tend to prefer joni originals, as she sings them with an
emotion that is unmatched by others, probably because she wrote them with a
certain mood in mind.  thus, i prefer her version of river, her woodstock
(s; it is on shadows and light and ladies of the canyon), and her both sides
now (actually, pete seeger's cover is a very close second).  however, bonnie
raitt's midway is perhaps better.
>
>anyway, emily's river is really good, but part of the point of the song is
a level of anguish that joni's less "smooth" voice expresses better.
>
>on girlfriends:  my mother got it for me as a gift partly because of the
ferron article.  both of us were disappointed with the condensed, two-page
layout but had realized long ago that young lesbians and bisexual women
really don't listen to what is traditionally called women's music or even
know who people like chris williamson and holly near are.  luckily, ferron
is having a sort of newfound popularity.  i do my part by introducing my
friends to her and creating ferron-freaks.
>
>deirdre
>

if you want to end war and stuff, you've got to sing loud all of the time.
             -arlo guthrie

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    noone does joni like.......joni! you don't listen to joni's voice
because it's pretty. you listen to joni slam those cords because she can
express more with her voice than any other artist i know of (except
amy).  emily's "river" can't touch joni's because joni understands every
little twist and nuance(sp?) for the sheer fact that she wrote the damn
thing.
   i must admit,though, i have a new found respect for emily. after
giving songs like "leeds", "winthrop" and "cara mia" a second chance i
think emily has taken her music too a new level. so i hang my head in
shame because i take back everything negative i said about e in the
beginning of the semester. i just can't compare everyone to amy because
frankly, they'll never win.

ben

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anyone trying to reach me may now do so at nanouknrth@aol.com

sorry, folks; i know it's dull, but it's the only news i've got.  :)

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new springsteen folk sound?????????

rotfl...


go listen to "nebraska"....


laughing very hard.
not at ben , but at the humor in it all
mike r.

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--- goddess o' las cruces boot wrote:
the only thing that stunk was that i couldn't sing
along like everyone else because a) my singing voice sucks, and b) then
it would have turned out sucky.  so..i hope you enjoy it.
--- end of quoted material ---

hey! that didn't stop corinne at bumbershoot from wailing away throughout!!!!

(wink)

just kidding red. who loves ya baby? me!

xo, susanna

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this is just mho on the subject:

i must say that since i started listening to rem in the early 80's they have
certainly become mainstream.  many people like myself who loved the early
stuff jumped off the rem bandwagon around the time green came out.  and, i
must admit that i cringed once when i heard an 11 year old singing "shiny
happy people" with top 40 radio station.  but i am a true fan.  i love these
guys and everything they put out.  luckily the out of time stage is over and
they are back to making records that are a little less "teeny bopper"ish.

i'm sure that if this happened to the ig, many of us would jump off the band
wagon.  but, i'm sure it would only be a stage of development for a&e.  like
rem, they would never sell out to all the stuff that comes up with big name
acts.  true fans would hang on until they were back to doing the less
mainstream stuff.  most great bands do go through times when they become
"pop singers" (to quote j. mellancamp) but in the end, they are still the
band that you love and they deserve your support.  fly by night fans will
move on to the next catchy group coming up anyway.

just my two pennies!
lori

"the stars are the greatest thing you've ever seen,
  and they're there for you,
  for you alone, you are the everything"         rem

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subject:      re: overexposure

i am possibly one of the youngest (and newest) members of this list
at 16, so it may not be in my best interests to be writing this, but i
have to voice my opinion.  i can't help but take offense when people
state that adolescents can't appreciate ig.  i got introduced to the
music at summer camp (yes, i know you're all groaning now).  anyway,
at night my cabin would fall asleep to the powerful lyrics of a&e, and
at the end of the summer we all ran out and bought everything we could
find on them.
i understand why loyal followers of the group from the beginning would
be pissed off with "12 year-olds singing galileo", but how do you know
if they understand it or not?  besides, it's one thing for a
twelve-year old year, on the brink of puberty, etc. to be singing ig,
than a 21 year-old jock, professing adoration for the song as it
flashes past him on mtv.
flame away, but not too hurtfully please-don't forget i'm just a kid!

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> i understand why loyal followers of the group from the beginning would
> be pissed off with "12 year-olds singing galileo", but how do you know
> if they understand it or not?  besides, it's one thing for a

i agree wholeheartedly.  i first discovered a&e when i was 14, and while
there wer ecertain aspects of their lyrics that i didn't grow to
understand until later, there is some of it which is entirely universal.
and i also think you can appreciate them musically and lyrically even if
you don't fully get hit with the power of your own unrequited love...

darren

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i think the example of bruce is a good one...because it seems that the
born in the usa popularity has permanently marred his popular image as a
"media hype" artist, when in fact bruce has continued to grow and mature
as an artist.  his lyrics are at least as intelligent and complex as igs
(yes! i shout it from the rooftops!  flame away!) and yet there is a large
part of the listening world that will never again take him seriously.  i
think this is a real danger for ig if they ever have an album as popular
as his was...or as any of the latest success stories have had, who were
performing years before they ever had a hit single.  the posies and the
cure come to mind...bands that had a solid following for at least fifteen
years before they ever had a major hit single.

on tue, 3 dec 1996 mmedido@aol.com wrote:

> i completly understand the sentiment
> of being afraid that overpopularity will 'ruin' ig
> actually, i think that overexposure might be a better
> word for it.
> i am guilty, guilty guilty....i used to love bruce springsteen
> in the 'pre-born in the usa' days then lost interest ...
> i also must confess that i played the hell out of
> melissa ethridges first 3 albums but i got her new one
> last christmas and have not even listened to it

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on tue, 3 dec 1996, darren matthew glass wrote:

> > i understand why loyal followers of the group from the beginning would
> > be pissed off with "12 year-olds singing galileo", but how do you know
> > if they understand it or not?  besides, it's one thing for a
>
> i agree wholeheartedly.  i first discovered a&e when i was 14, and while
> there wer ecertain aspects of their lyrics that i didn't grow to
> understand until later, there is some of it which is entirely universal.
> and i also think you can appreciate them musically and lyrically...

i can agree with these two also...i would have been one of those annoying
kids if i was allowed to go to concerts...finding the ig when i was
thirteen greatly influence many of my goals and views.  i am happy when
young females find such strong role models withing their own reach...and i
hope that their fans appreciate the strides these young ones make in
earnest.  they are trying to learn about a form of life that is travelling
much too quickly...they are exposed to so much.  my deep feminist roots
were fertilized by the ig when i was oh-so-young...let's rejoice in those
who are young and opening their minds...

and one more thing...overpopularized...

don't musicians make music because they want to share something with the
world?  why do we insist on dropping bands off our fave lists after they
"sell out"  what happened to enjoying your job.  do you want musicians to
ban certain people (18+ shows)?  music is the most universal of all...i
often ask myself..."if musicians become popular, and people who are
hard-core fans quit listening...what will happen when the fad wears out?"
what do we expect them to do?  get desk jobs as soon as their albums begin
selling?  gimme a break...hurrah for those who are popular.  maybe someday
all of the good music will be popular, and we won't have top 40...


sorry if that was all off the subject...i just wanted to show my side of
it...

turning 22 on thursday and feeling terribly old...

aim >
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"is this still life all i'm good for too?
there by the window quietly killed for you
and they drive by like insects do
they think they don't know me
they hired a car for you..."
-brett anderson of the london suede-"still life"

"jesus, amy, don't you ever learn?"
-my infinitely-wise 19-year-old brother, nick


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i gotta go along with stephen on this...and only partially because
i'm 19, and have listened to and loved the girls for several years.
i understand that it would be hard to hear 12-year-olds mindlessly
singing along to ig songs.  however, i think that as we grow the
songs grow with us...the 12-year-old who likes the tune of "galileo"
will change and grow enormously, as will the song to her, and its
meaning for her.  actually, there is a certain beauty in that
innocence, that taking things at face value, and, in our haste to
analyze, we overlook the obvious.  besides, to me it would be far
worse to hear a 32, 42, 52, whatever-year-old sing along mindlessly
or with a false sense of superiority in having "figured out" the
song.  basically, i understand the upset, but, really, aren't we just
a tad bit too quick to judge?  let everyone enjoy ig at their own
level....
increase the peace,
janet (strapping on protection gear)

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date:         tue, 3 dec 1996 23:27:23 -0600
reply-to:     lorinda wright <wright@biodec.wustl.edu>
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subject:      trivia

well, dwayne was nice enough to post my own little trivia question before
he himself knew the answer. [which was, btw: what is the _other_ song
that amy sings on but doesn't play. i.e. only emily plays.] that was very
brave of you buddy. *wink* actually, i asked him the question before _i_
knew the answer. i knew there was one, cuz i remember seeing it on an old
video, but i started getting nervous when the question popped up on the
list, and i still hadn't found the song on that old video. but now i've
found it, so, *whew!* the answer is "don't give up on me baby." which, i
_believe_ is an old old emily song. i don't know what y'all answered, cuz
dwayne collected all the responses. so he'll have to fill in with
comments on what you all said. anyone know anything else about this one?

oh, and while i'm here, and in the tradition of me _never_ having only
one thing to say: i saw cosy sheridan tonight at wash u in st. louis. it
was the second time i've seen her, and i have to tell you she is one of
the most completely entertaining individuals i've ever seen. (sorta along
the lines of cheryl wheeler for the cheryl fans out there.) she's
hilarious, she's a great songwriter, she's a wonderful singer, _and_
she's a genuinely fantastic person. check her out if you can. :)

that's enough babbling for now.
folkisgruven,
lorindigo


still driving...
lorinda wright           the trouble in my head is getting closer and closer
washington university     to my legs i've got to walk it out. and the trouble
st. louis, mo             with my heart is that i can't rip it out. and the
                          trouble with myself is that i don't know me.
                                                        -melissa ferrick
                    i will not be complacent

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i have to agree with stephen here, at the ripe old age of 23.  :)  lessee,
ctf came out in 1988, that makes me 15 when i was introduced to ig.  i
heard it the first time on....what ws that thing called? a radio? .....and
then saw the video on vh-1 (stop laughing!) and then my buddy julia (who
had just gotten out of her vampire phase and was now a born again
christian, soon to switch to paganism...) gave me a tape with music she
liked on it, including three tracks from ig (julia was a little strange
but she had good taste in music).  and look at me now.  i'm offering to
tape stuff for newbies and spending two hours reading ig email when i have
a final paper to write so i can pass for my major and graduate!    so age
doesn't necessarily indicate who is mature enough to "get" ig.

but you gotta admit, there are times when you just wonder when a song
becomes a fave at the local junior high dances...

on wed, 4 dec 1996, stephen zamon wrote:

> i am possibly one of the youngest (and newest) members of this list
> at 16, so it may not be in my best interests to be writing this, but i
> have to voice my opinion.  i can't help but take offense when people
> state that adolescents can't appreciate ig.  i got introduced to the
> music at summer camp (yes, i know you're all groaning now).  anyway,
> at night my cabin would fall asleep to the powerful lyrics of a&e, and
> at the end of the summer we all ran out and bought everything we could
> find on them.
> i understand why loyal followers of the group from the beginning would
> be pissed off with "12 year-olds singing galileo", but how do you know
> if they understand it or not?  besides, it's one thing for a
> twelve-year old year, on the brink of puberty, etc. to be singing ig,
> than a 21 year-old jock, professing adoration for the song as it
> flashes past him on mtv.
> flame away, but not too hurtfully please-don't forget i'm just a kid!
>
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i wear mine under my right pant leg, strapped to my boot..."--ani
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subject:      re: age

regarding ig:

more 12 year olds !
less lawn furniture and big pointy hats !
(right betsy ?)


love,
binkles

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date:         tue, 3 dec 1996 20:29:52 -0800
reply-to:     gwendigo <gkeyt@paul.spu.edu>
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from:         gwendigo <gkeyt@paul.spu.edu>
subject:      re: radio & media (sigc -- kind of long)
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> well, sorta.  ig covered "american tune" which is from the paul simon
> solo era, but also played by s&g during the concert in the [central]
> park (1981 wasn't it?).  anyway, i always think of the concert in the
> park version as the "definitive version" -- the song was made for the
> harmonies of both s&g and loses something without them.
hate to nitpick, but i'm supposta during finals...
american tune is actually an art garfunkle tune.


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i wear mine under my right pant leg, strapped to my boot..."--ani
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subject:      ig trivia

<<well, take care everyone.  i am really enjoying all the responses to this
trivia.  i will have to think up another good one for y'all.  (that is,
unless andi wants to ask another one - i don't want to step on her toes. :)>>

hee hee...i'll take the challenge & lift up my toes! :)

so here's an interesting trivia question...what are a&e's favorite ben &
jerry's ice cream flavors?

respond to me through private e-mail, & i'll post the results...

andi


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              i know there is comfort where we overlap."-ad
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>  basically, i understand the upset, but, really, aren't we just a tad bit
>too >quick to judge?  let everyone enjoy ig at their own level....

you know, i agree with this so much...i think that everyone has a right to
listen to what they enjoy regardless of age or whatever...it is ridiculous
to me to be annoyed over a 12 year old listening to something like the ig
because they can't understand it...to me, it isn't always about analyzing
and tearing apart every song but to taking it in and enjoying the beautiful
music that my ears are hearing...and to be truly happy when i hear
it...just my little bit to say...tricia

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reply-to:     scott m slone <assms6@uaa.alaska.edu>
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from:         scott m slone <assms6@uaa.alaska.edu>
subject:      re: overexposure
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hello,

        well my friend, you said it all and then some...(smile) i will
have to agree with you on that note.  since i was a kid lyrics have been
such a big part of my life when it came to music, and the music somtimes
came second.  what ever the age, young or old, music is a sence of
healing, excape, expression...and so on. at any age you go through this,
and music sometimes is the best remedy.  gosh how i miss music... you
really made me do some thinking there newbie.  i lost my hearing to
explain this to you, what i meant by saying that i miss music.  i feel
sort of upset that someone would get wound up over a kid listening to
indigo girls.....humph!  enjoy,  after all you could be listening to
something worse ahahaha!  no really, don't allow shallow people to knock
you down...it is your music!!!

bye, and welcome to ig's list..
scott (in alaska)
assms6@uaa.alaska.edu

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                         what...did you mom marry mr.rogers?"
                                                -the breakfast club

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subject:      liberty and ig music for all . . .

when i was fourteen,  i thought that i understood everything, including
everything indigo.  and each year that passes leaves me with new ideas
about their music.  as i mature, the music has a developing meaning to me,
and it grows.  the love's recovery that i heard on a bus on my way back
from a ski trip when i was a frosh in high school, is different today, in
college.  this is why ig music means so musch to all of us, i think.  it
lives on, i still listen to the old, and new every single day.
(unfortunately i cannot say the same about "shiney happy people :)  )

peace,
kristen

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_"in the beginner's mind there are many possibilities, but in the expert's
mind, there are few."
"the truth is always near at hand, within your reach."  -suzuki

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um.

just wanted to make what i said a little clearer--about that 12-year-old
"parroting"--what i didn't say, but meant, was that it seems like a
12-year-old can appreciate galileo in the same kind of ways anyone can.
one of my favorite memories of being a camp counselor was learning,
together with a group of ten 12-15 year old girls, the melody and harmony
in "love will come to you" and singing it for 120 other 7-16 year old
campers.  they're in college now, and i'm in graduate school, and it's
really almost tangible the way ig have kept many of us connected in many
ways (and influenced our thinking).

at the same time that i like to think about the meaning of the songs
though, i "parrot" them too--singing the words has its own kind of
pleasure.  but "how long till my soul gets it right?"--the idea of
perpetually becoming something and better--it's gotta be doing
something out there.  i live with a 10-year-old ig fan, who thinks about
her soul on a regular basis (and asks me about mine..)

peace-

larin

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the future is now folks.as a long time ig'er ii must say i was absolutely
apalled by the behavior shift in the crowd of bumbershoot fifteen minutes
before  ig came on...a huge crowd of cranky,rude, last minute yuppies
descended.i looked over this crowd and wondered how they could listen to the
ig's music without at least attempting to hear and heed the words.
     this experience doesn't color my appreciation of the girls, but fame
attracts good and bad attention in this world.i figure i love the music now
and will when all these trappings drop away.


                                                                    laurabell

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subject:      faqs

hi everyone,

seen a couple questions here over the past few days that
were covered in the recent faq so i thought it was time for
a repost.  i will send the three portions of the ig faq plus
the ig list faq (which doubles as the welcome message)
along directly.

if you want to grab them off the www you can do it from
my page at http://www.fl.net.au/~sherlyn/ig, or they're also
available via anonymous ftp from chris becker's site:
space.mit.edu/pub/cmb/ig.

happy happy all,
sherlyn

ps - dwayne.  you're so cool.  and a guy.  and gay!  in
fact you are a cool gay guy.  yeah. :)
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- sherlyn koo - sherlyn@fl.net.au -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
"there is freedom within, there is freedom without,
  try to catch the deluge in a paper cup.
  there's a battle ahead, many battles are lost,
  but you'll never see the end of the road while you're
        travelling with me..."  - crowded house

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subject:      ig faq part 1 of 3

========================================
indigo girls: frequently asked questions
========================================
version 3.0
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part 1 of 3
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last modified: 16 november 1996.

copyright 1996 jcsdoubled.  all rights reserved.

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this document may not be distributed for financial gain.

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table of contents
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[part 1]
1. history / biography
2. where to find information about indigo girls
3. questions about amy and emily
4. general questions about indigo girls' music

[part 2]
5. discography related questions
6. questions about album covers and titles
7. questions about songs from "strange fire"
8. questions about songs from "indigo girls"
9. questions about songs from "nomads*indians*saints"
10. questions about songs from "rites of passage"

[part 3]
11. questions about songs from "swamp ophelia"
12. other song related questions
13. recent indigo girls news
14. miscellaneous questions
15. acknowledgements


1. history / biography
======================

emily saliers was born in new haven, connecticut on july 22nd, 1963.
the following year, her future musical partner amy ray was born in
atlanta, on april 12th, 1964.  when emily was in sixth grade, her
family moved to decatur, georgia.  she was enrolled in laurel ridge
elementary school where amy was attending fifth grade.  when amy and
emily were both in high school, they began playing together under the
names "saliers and ray" and "the b-band".  their first rehearsals
were for a school talent show.  later the two progressed to playing
open mike nights at local bars, despite being underage.  in 1981, the
b-band recorded a tape called "tuesday's children" in amy's basement.
the tape consisted mostly of cover songs, with an additional original
song from each of them.  in 1982 amy recorded "color me grey", a
solo tape consisting of entirely original material.

when emily graduated from high school she enrolled at tulane
university in new orleans, majoring in english.  amy moved to
nashville a year later to study english and religion at vanderbilt
university.  dissatisfied with life away at school, both emily and
amy moved back to atlanta to attend emory university in 1984, and the
two resumed playing together regularly.  in 1985 they adopted the
name "indigo girls".  amy picked the word "indigo" out of the
dictionary because she thought it sounded "cool".  that same year,
indigo girls made their recording debut with an independently
released 7" single "crazy game"/"everyone's waiting (for someone to
come home)", and a mostly-live cassette called "blue food".  at
around the same time, amy released an updated version of "color me
grey", including an early version of her song "nashville".

in 1986, indigo girls released a self-titled six-track ep which was
produced by frank french and engineered by kristen hall.  local
atlanta musicians who contributed to the record included dede vogt,
michelle malone and caroline aiken.  at around this time, amy and
emily met their future manager russell carter who told them that he
didn't see indigo girls getting a record deal because their songs
were "immature".  nevertheless, the next year amy and emily went on
to record their first full length album "strange fire" and took
russell on as manager soon after.

indigo girls were signed to epic records in 1988.  "indigo girls",
their first major-label album, was released in february 1989.  guest
artists on the album included rem, hothouse flowers and luka bloom.
"closer to fine", the first single, peaked at #52 on the billboard
chart.  the album reached as high as #22, remained in the chart for
35 weeks, and was certified gold in september of 1989.  "strange
fire" was re-released by epic in november 1989 with a rearranged
track listing.  an early version of "blood and fire" and emily's
"high horse" were dropped, and the two songs were replaced by a cover
of the youngbloods' "get together".  also that year, "indigo girls"
won a grammy award in the category "best contemporary folk
recording".  the duo was also nominated for a grammy award in the
category "best new artist".

"live at the uptown lounge", a 60-minute concert/interview video
filmed in athens, georgia, was released in january 1990.
"nomads*indians*saints", indigo girls' second epic album, was
released that september.  the album featured guest appearances by
mary chapin carpenter, bassist sara lee and ellen james society, an
atlanta rock band.  the first single from the album, "hammer and a
nail", was nominated for a grammy award in the category "best
contemporary folk recording".  during that year, amy also started her
own independent record label, daemon records.

"back on the bus, y'all", an eight-song ep recorded live in concert
at notre dame university, west georgia college and the uptown lounge,
was released in june 1991 and was nominated for a grammy award in the
category "best contemporary folk album".  in december 1991,
"nomads*indians*saints" was certified gold, and "indigo girls" was
certified platinum, almost three years after its release.

"rites of passage" was released in may 1992.  the album debuted at
#22 on the billboard album chart.  that september it was certified
gold after spending twelve weeks on the chart.  among the guest
artists on "rites of passage" were jackson browne, david crosby,
drummer jerry marotta, and the roche sisters.

amy and emily went into the studio in november 1993 to begin
recording "swamp ophelia".  in january 1994, the soundtrack to the
movie "philadelphia" was released, including indigo girls' cover of
danny whitten's "i don't wanna talk about it".  in march indigo girls
began filming for the movie "boys on the side" which starred whoopi
goldberg, mary louise parker and drew barrymore.  "swamp ophelia",
which featured appearances by jane siberry, cellist jane scarpantoni,
and amy's father larry ray, was released in may of 1994.  it debuted
at #9 on the billboard album chart and six weeks later, in june, was
certified gold.  later that year, "swamp ophelia" was also nominated
for a grammy award in the category "best contemporary folk
recording".  amy and emily also took part that year in an
atlanta-based revival of andrew lloyd webber's musical "jesus christ
superstar" with emily playing mary magdalene and amy taking the part
of jesus.

the "best of" album "4.5" was released outside the us in july 1995.
in october of that year, the live album "1200 curfews" was released.
the album featured choice performances selected from concert tapes by
amy and emily themselves, and some rarer material such as "back
together again" from the early b-band tape.  the video compilation
"watershed" was released at the same time.   "watershed" contained
all the song videos which had been made up to that point, plus
additional exclusive concert, interview and home video footage.

after having toured for more than a year to support "swamp ophelia"
and the honor the earth campaign, amy and emily decided to take a
break and spend mid-1995 to mid-1996 off the road.  during this time
indigo girls made only infrequent live appearances such as at the
newport folk festival in august 1995, new orleans jazz festival in
may 1996, and at gay pride in atlanta in june 1996.  the 1996 newport
folk festival saw the start of a 3-week "practice tour".  indigo
girls went into the studio in september to begin pre-production on
their new album "map".  also during september 1996, "swamp ophelia"
was certified platinum.

as of this moment, indigo girls are beginning to record "map" in
atlanta, austin and nashville.  the new album will hopefully be ready
for release by around march 1997.


2. where to find information about indigo girls
===============================================

- is there an address where i can write to the indigo girls, or an
        official fan club or mailing list?

to write to amy or emily, or to join the indigo girls fan club, write
to:     indigo girls
        c/o russell carter management
        315 west ponce de leon avenue
        suite 755
        decatur
        georgia usa 30030

the fan club sends out newsletters containing merchandise
information, tour schedules and other official information several
times a year.


- where can i find information about indigo girls on the internet?

there are indigo girls resources of many types on the internet.
here are a few of them:
    - indigo girls mailing list: indigo-girls@netspace.org
        to subscribe, send a message to listserv@netspace.org with
        "subscribe indigo-girls" in the body of the message.
    - indigo girls usenet newsgroup: alt.music.indigo-girls
    - lifeblood www site: http://www.hidwater.com/lifeblood
    - epic records indigo girls site:
        http://www.sony.dreammedia.com/epiccenter/docs
                                        /artistupdate.qry?artistid=83
    - indigo girls discography:
        http://www.cgrg.ohio-state.edu/folkbook/artists
                                          /discographies/indigo_girls

more links can be found by using one of the many search engines
available on the www such as lycos (http://www.lycos.com) or yahoo
(http://www.yahoo.com).


3. questions about amy and emily
================================

- when were amy and emily born?

amy - 12 april 1964;
emily - 22 july 1963.


- what are amy and emily's middle names?

amy's middle name is elizabeth; emily's is ann.


- do amy and emily have brothers and sisters?

both amy and emily come from four-children families.  amy has two
older sisters and a younger brother; emily is the second-eldest of
four girls.


- are amy and emily christian?

when asked about their religious beliefs in a 1990 interview in the
cooper point journal, school paper of evergreen state college, amy
said, "we were brought up methodist.  i was a religion major and
emily's dad is a methodist minister and a theology professor.  but we
don't consider our songs geared toward christianity.  we consider
them geared toward a spirituality that no matter what faith you have,
you can relate to them.  we don't want to alienate anybody because we
don't believe in seeing specifically through one faith.  so it plays
a big part in our music but not in the way that some christians would
want it to play."


- are amy and emily gay?  have they been involved with each other?

amy and emily are both openly gay although in the past they have not
always been identified as such by the mainstream media.

in the 1996 newport folk festival program amy states, "i always think
of [emily] as the perfect best friend.  i guess one of the reasons
we've always been like this is that we've always had the same kind of
relationship.  the nature of it never changed - we never had a sexual
encounter - we never had a real conflict - we were always just
completely friends."


- what does amy's tattoo mean?

amy explained the tattoo in "fashion" magazine (circa 1989): "this is
spiritual, and it's blue for charity; this is compassion; this is
intellectual grounding; this is the love of the earth; this is the
center of the soul..."

niki pantelias, founder of the original indigo girls mailing list,
also reported in a november 1990 posting to the list that amy had
said that the tattoo was the sioux indian symbol for love inside a
hand, and "basically it means love".


- who are amy and emily's musical influences?

amy has been influenced by artists such as the replacements, husker
du and neil young; emily has stated that her biggest songwriting
influence was joni mitchell and that her literary inspirations
include the writings of virginia woolf.  both amy and emily have
said they have been influenced by bob dylan and also profess
admiration for jane siberry and ferron.  in addition, they both enjoy
reading the works of william faulkner.


4. general questions about indigo girls' music
==============================================

- who is in the indigo girls touring band?

amy and emily often tour as a duo, but also perform with a backing
band.  for the past two years the steady support crew for indigo
girls has been:
    - sara lee - bass, pennywhistle, vocals
    - jerry marotta - percussion, pennywhistle, saxophone, vocals

other guests who have appeared on occasion include:
    - caroline aiken - guitar, vocals
    - gail ann dorsey - vocals
    - sheila doyle of big fish ensemble - violin
    - sandy garfinkle - harmonica, vocals
    - kristen hall - guitar, vocals
    - michael lorant of big fish ensemble - percussion, vocals,
        saxophone
    - michelle malone - mandolin, electric guitar, vocals
    - barbara marino - saxophone
    - scarlet rivera - violin
    - jane scarpantoni - cello, pennywhistle


- what other music appears in the background of indigo girls
        songs?

in addition to their own unique harmonies, indigo girls have also
integrated other tunes into their music.  these include:
    - "mary had a little lamb" at the beginning of the guitar solo in
        "center stage", also hummed softly as amy sings "a joker's
        dance before the king"
    - a hymn, "let us break bread", at the end of "hammer and a nail"
    - "twinkle twinkle little star" in "world falls", as amy sings
        "i'm laughing..."
    - beethoven's "ode to joy", as part of the guitar solo in "cedar
        tree"

other music which amy and emily have incorporated into their songs
include a chopin nocturne at the end of "this train revised" and the
native american hymn emily sings at the end of "jonas and ezekial".


- have amy and emily ever written any songs together, or with other
        people?

amy and emily generally write separately and then collaborate on the
harmonies and instrumental arrangements of their songs.  however,
there are a few songs that they've written together:
    - "i don't know your name" from "blue food" (1985)
    - "if you live like that" from "blue food" (1985)
    - "blood quantum" from "honor1: a benefit for the honor the
        earth campaign" (1996)

songs that they have written with other people include:
    - "i don't wanna know" by amy and michelle malone
    - "i'll give you my skin" from "tame yourself" (1991), by amy,
        emily and michael stipe
    - "1 2 3" by amy and the members of ellen james society

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[part 2]
5. discography related questions
6. questions about album covers and titles
7. questions about songs from "strange fire"
8. questions about songs from "indigo girls"
9. questions about songs from "nomads*indians*saints"
10. questions about songs from "rites of passage"


5. discography related questions
================================

- what songs have been released as singles?

to date, the only indigo girls song which has been released as a
commercially available single in the us is "power of two".  however,
various promotional singles have been released in the us, and
commercially available singles have been released in other countries.
see the indigo girls discography at
www.cgrg.ohio-state.edu/folkbook/artists/discographies/indigo_girls
for more details.


- what songs have been made into videos, and where can i get them?

so far indigo girls have made nine commercial song videos.  these
are:
    - "closer to fine" (1989)
    - "hammer and a nail" (1990)
    - "get together" (1990)
    - "joking" (1992)
    - "galileo" (1992)
    - "touch me fall" (1994)
    - "least complicated" (1994)
    - "power of two" (1995)
    - "bury my heart at wounded knee" (1995)

all these videos, except the video for "bury my heart at wounded
knee", can be found on the video compilation "watershed", available
from sony music video.


- what songs have indigo girls covered?  where do they appear?

covers available on commercially available items, excluding the
albums, include:
    - "american tune" by paul simon, on "turn of the decade:
        1989-1990 ben & jerry's newport folk festival" (1991)
    - "cortez the killer" by neil young (performed with band de
        soleil), on band de soleil's album "redemption dream"
        (european version only) (1995)
    - "don't think twice, it's alright" by bob dylan (performed with
        joan baez), on joan baez's album "ring them bells" (1995);
    - "free of hope" by vic chesnutt, on "sweet relief ii: gravity of
        the situation" (1996)
    - "i don't wanna talk about it" by danny whitten, on
        "philadelphia: music from the motion picture" (1993);
    - "it won't take long" by ferron, on "spirit of '73: rock for
        choice" (1995)
    - "rockin' in the free world" by neil young (performed with k's
        choice), on the "power of two" single (1995)
    - "uncle john's band" by robert hunter and jerry garcia, on
        "deadicated" (a tribute to the grateful dead) (1991)
    - "wild, wild party in the loquat tree" by rand bishop, on "put
        on your green shoes" (an album of children's songs aimed at
        raising environmental awareness) (1993)

covers available on promotional items and rare recordings include:
    - "finlandia" by jean sibelius, on the "indigo girls" ep (1986)
    - "love of the common people" by j. hurley and r. wilkens, on
        "reverse 1 - live" (1989)
    - "melissa" by the allman brothers, on "shades of indigo" (1990)
    - "mona lisas and mad hatters" by elton john and bernie taupin,
        on "reverse 1 - live" (1989)
    - "the water is wide" (traditional), on "an acoustic evening with
        the allman brothers band and the indigo girls" (1992)
    - "the weakness in me" by joan armatrading, on "blue food" (1985)

covers which are sometimes performed live, but which have never
officially been released, include:
    - "southern man" by neil young, performed with kristen hall
    - "white house blues" and "another on the rise", both by
        caroline aiken, performed with caroline aiken
    - "wild horses" by the rolling stones, performed with michelle
        malone

for a more detailed listing, see the indigo girls discography at
www.cgrg.ohio-state.edu/folkbook/artists/discographies/indigo_girls.


- what compilations do indigo girls appear on?

indigo girls songs have appeared on many compilation albums,
including:
    - "american tune" (live) on "turn of the decade: 1989-1990 ben &
        jerry's newport folk festival" (1991)
    - "i'll give you my skin" (studio) on "tame yourself" (1991)
    - "uncle john's band" (studio) on "deadicated" (1991)
    - "i don't wanna talk about it" (studio) on "philadelphia: music
        from the motion picture" (1993)
    - "wild, wild party in the loquat tree" (studio) on "put on your
        green shoes" (1993)
    - "it won't take long" (studio) on "spirit of '73: rock for
        choice" (1995)
    - "blood quantum" (studio) on "honor1: a benefit for the honor
        the earth campaign" (1996)
    - "free of hope" (studio) on "sweet relief ii: gravity of the
        situation" (1996)

for a more detailed listing, see the indigo girls discography at
www.cgrg.ohio-state.edu/folkbook/artists/discographies/indigo_girls.


- what albums by other artists do amy and emily appear on?

amy and emily have appeared, both together and separately, as guest
artists on many albums.  these include:
    - "live at the attic" by caroline aiken (1993), both
    - "ring them bells" by joan baez (1995), both
    - "billy pilgrim" by billy pilgrim (1994), emily
    - "come on, come on" by mary chapin carpenter (1992), both
    - "disappear fear" by disappear fear (1994), both
    - "phantom center" by ferron (1995 re-release only), both
    - "still riot" by ferron (1996), emily
    - "flyer" by nanci griffith (1994), both
    - "real life stuff" by kristen hall (1990), emily
    - "fact and fiction" by kristen hall (1991), emily
    - "be careful what you wish for" by kristen hall (1994), emily
    - "more than i" by gerard mchugh (1992), both

for a more detailed listing, see the indigo girls discography at
www.cgrg.ohio-state.edu/folkbook/artists/discographies/indigo_girls.


6. questions about album covers and titles
==========================================

- who are the people in the photograph on the "strange fire" insert?

the photograph was taken at the little five points pub in atlanta.
the people in the picture are amy's and emily's families, the manager
and staff of the pub and, in the back, the musicians who played on
the album.  there are also photographs of family members who couldn't
be there that day on some of the tables.


- what does "swamp ophelia" mean?

while on vacation in florida, amy went on a nature walk and saw a
plant called swampophilia.  in a 1994 interview she said, "it made
me think of hamlet and ophelia and the swamp.  but it all kind of
mixes in together."  however, there does not actually seem to be a
plant called swampophilia; it's possible that the phrase came
entirely from amy's imagination.


- what does "4.5" mean?

the album was originally going to contain material from the november
1994 concerts at shepherd's bush empire in london.  the band for
these shows consisted of amy, emily, jerry marotta and sara lee; gail
ann dorsey also sat in on a few songs.  the title was meant to
represent the number of band members.  because gail hadn't played
through the entire show, the album's working title was "four and a
half".  graphically it was decided that "4.5" looked better so that
became the title, even though no material from the concerts was used
on the album in the end.


- what does "1200 curfews" mean?

"1200 curfews" stands for "twelve hundred curfews", rather than
"twelve o'clock curfews".  this refers to the fact that indigo girls
had played approximately 1200 concerts between the start of their
career and the time the album was released.  each concert had a
curfew, to which amy and emily were often running close.  as amy says
after "closer to fine" on the album, "we've gotta go, we've got a
curfew!"


7. questions about songs from "strange fire"
============================================

- what is strange fire?

as in all indigo girls songs, specific symbolism is left as an open
question.  for example, some believe strange fire is a reference to
the christian celebration of "pentecost" (the empowerment of the 12
apostles by the holy spirit), while others see a reference to milton.
there are countless interpretations; however, most center about a
common theme, that of an ineffable spirit which can strengthen and
actuate those who possess it.


- what does "you remind me of shalott" mean?

although she admits to misspelling the name in the lyrics, emily is
referring to alfred lord tennyson's poem "the lady of shalott".  in
the poem, shallot was a mythical island which lay upriver from king
arthur's camelot.  a curse lay upon the lady of shallot that some
unknown fate would befall her should she look outside the castle.
so, she stayed within her walls and wove "a magic web with colours
gay" through which she watched the world.  one day sir lancelot came
riding down the riverbank by the castle.  the lady spied him in her
magic web and, drawn to him, left her loom and looked out through her
window.  the poem ends with the body of the lady, slain by her curse,
floating down the river through camelot in a boat.


- who is talking at the end of "i don't wanna know"?

amy and michelle malone.  it is very hard to make out what they are
saying although at one point it does sound like michelle is saying,
"i can't talk to y'all, i gotta go," or something along those lines.


8. questions about songs from "indigo girls"
============================================

- what is "secure yourself" about?

"secure yourself" is about the spiritual journey into heaven.  the
song was inspired by amy's grief when one of her cats died.


- what is "kid fears" about?

"kid fears" is about the music industry and about refusing to "sell
out".  in an interview in the washington times in january 1989, amy
said, "'how much further' is about reaching it in the music business.
it's sort of a cut down on people who are just trying to make it,
people who would sell their soul, who would sell out, who would do
anything."


- why doesn't amy sing "blood and fire" anymore?

"blood and fire" is a very intense and emotional song and amy does
not perform it anymore because she does not want to revisit the
feelings that went into writing (and performing) the song.  she has
stated that if she were to sing the song now, it would be dishonest.


9. questions about songs from "nomads*indians*saints"
=====================================================

- who is sejarez?

sejarez, whom amy mentions in "world falls", is not a real person; he
was a character (possibly some kind of philosopher) that appeared in
one of amy's dreams.


- is "pushing the needle too far" about drugs?

in the "nomads*indians*saints" press kit amy said, "this song deals
with alienation and the way we sometimes numb ourselves to things.
obviously, the needle suggests a drug analogy, but it's also like the
needle on a meter.  but it's a symbol, not a literal usage like neil
young's 'the needle and the damage done'.  it's about the things
people do to numb themselves to the pain of their situation."


- what is "the girl with the weight of the world in her hands" about?

emily has stated that this song is not about any person in
particular.  in the "nomads*indians*saints" songbook she writes, "the
bottom line is, we never know what someone is really going through
inside.  the loneliest people are those we tend to avoid the most.
this is about wanting to overcome that feeling in myself and trying
to get closer to someone in that situation, someone i might usually
shy away from."


10. questions about songs from "rites of passage"
=================================================

- what is "three hits" about?

in the "rites of passage" press kit, amy explained the inspiration
for the song.  "'three hits' was inspired by the poems of frank
stanford.  a music friend of mine sent me a book of his poetry, 'the
light the dead see', and i went crazy over it - it changed my life a
little.  i was reading some biographical notes on stanford and
learned that he'd committed suicide in the early 80's at age 30 - he
shot himself three times in the heart.  that image really stuck with
me.  so i used images from his poems and his life: that he was
adopted, that he left his wife behind..."


- what is "jonas and ezekial" about?

in the "rites of passage" press kit amy said, "we played dartmouth
college and met some real free thinkers up there.  i took a long bike
ride on highway 5, on the border of new hampshire and vermont, and
this song uses references from that and from earlier road trips -
things i heard in conversation, things from the news... it's a
political song about people who put their faith in prophesy, who're
walking toward disaster instead of doing anything about it."

jonas and ezekial are names that amy saw on tombstones in a slave
cemetery.  they are possibly also references to the biblical
characters of the same name (although the names are spelt differently
in different translations of the bible).


- who is the "activist with a very short life" mentioned in "jonas
        and ezekial"?

amy is referring to bob sheldon, the owner of internationalist books
in chapel hill, north carolina.  sheldon was an active anti-war
activist at the time of desert shield and desert storm.  he was shot
while alone in his store on february 21, 1991.


- what is emily singing at the end of "jonas and ezekial"?

emily sings, "now i walk in beauty / beauty is before me / beauty is
behind me / above and below me."  the words are from a native
american song that is usually sung in a round.


- who wrote "romeo and juliet", and where can i find the original
        version?

"romeo and juliet" was written by mark knopfler of dire straits and
can be found on their 1987 album "making movies".

in a november 1994 interview, amy said that she had learned a lot of
the songs from "making movies".  "i used to play in a hotel lounge.
i thought ['romeo and juliet'] was an incredibly well written song
and i could relate to it at the time for some reason. it just kinda
grew and changed over the years."  at the time, she said she had
never spoken to mark about the song and said, "i wouldn't even want
to know what he thinks."


- who is the chickenman?

in the "rites of passage" press kit amy said, "this is a real
person, an older guy who lives in a trailer in the middle of this
junkyard off the highway somewhere between houston and austin.
there's a big sign that says 'chicken man'.  it looks like
everything's for sale, but you'll ask about something and he'll say,
'oh that's not for sale.'  we got into a conversation, and some of
his values and ideas seemed incredibly comforting to me at the time.
it was the way he'd look out over this piece of land and take such
pride and satisfaction in this collection of junk!  this guy was
deep, he had layers of character underneath that rough skin and dirt.
'chickenman' is really a stream-of-consciousness type song."


- what is the extra verse amy sings in the middle of the live version
        of "chickenman"?

recent live versions of "chickenman" have been varied by the addition
of extra lyrics before the third verse ("i was on the road to
austin...").  the extra lyrics are:
    - "hear the shotgun shiver / another arrow from the quiver"
    - "screwed up boys and argentinians / europe shed the blood of
        the indians /  here i sit in the land of plenty / crying
        about my own virginity / hey blue blood you're nothing new /
        you see i come from privilege too / chapter in the book on
        the americas / we're just another colonial terrorist"

amy has inserted one or both of these lyrics on different occasions.


- what is "nashville" about?

in the "rites of passage" press kit, amy explained the song's origin.
"this is a song from 1984 which never exactly fit in with an album
before.  i wrote it when i was in college at vanderbilt university,
not exactly a hotbed of liberalism.  in fact, there were some very
racist and sexist things happening on that campus, and i found the
city reflected those same qualities to an extent... as a songwriter
trying to be heard, i found it extremely competitive and oppressive.
as a southerner, i feel free to criticize from 'within the family'.
i could say some of the same things about atlanta that i'm saying
here about nashville."


- what is "cedar tree" about?

on the 1992 "general foods international house session" promotional
cd amy says, "i was walking around up in north georgia, in the
mountains, and i came upon this settlement from the 1830's and there
were all these cedar trees planted around these old chimneys.  and a
friend of my father's said that back in those days a husband would
plant a tree for every wife he'd had and so i wrote a song about it,
'cause there were bunch of trees up there."

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[part 3]
11. questions about songs from "swamp ophelia"
12. other song related questions
13. recent indigo girls news
14. miscellaneous questions
15. acknowledgements


11. questions about songs from "swamp ophelia"
==============================================

- what is "fugitive" about?

in a 1994 interview amy explained, "'fugitive' is... kind of a love
song, but it's also, you know, it's very abstract.  it's me, the
struggle within myself and the struggle with someone else to create
commitment in a world of this - of the music industry, which is
really kind of screwy.  and the idea of invading privacy and - it's
about freedom, really, and about the ability to be free."


- what are they saying at the end of "least complicated"?

the conversation is mostly obscured by percussion; however, emily can
clearly be heard saying, "that's the way i can feel it."  amy's reply
is hard to make out; it sounds as though she is saying, "but you
don't want..."


- what is "language or the kiss" about?

emily has never directly explained this song, but the common
consensus among fans is that this song is about choices.  more
specifically, that it is about having to choose between a musical
career, especially one that involves a lot of touring ("language"),
and a "normal" life at home with family and loved ones ("the kiss").


- what is "reunion" about?

at a concert in philadelphia on december 3, 1994, amy said, "i went
to my high school reunion about a year and a half ago... it was a
weird and ambivalent experience, because i had actually had a good
time in high school and emily didn't.  so i went expecting the best
and... i had this friend, sort of, that i went around with.  every
time i would go up to someone and give 'em a hug or shake their hand
or something, my friend would take me over to the side of the room
and say, 'you know, that person you just hugged over there, they
hated you in high school and made fun of you every day.'  and i was
like, 'shit!'  so i just learned - i chalked it up to experience and
felt like it didn't really matter and i could be friends with anybody
anyway.  so this is a song about faith in yourself."


- what does "all skate, now reverse" mean?

on the may 12, 1994 broadcast of "world cafe" amy said, "some friends
of ours, mrs fun... were the guest band on the record.  they went to
see a friend of theirs play who used to... you know when you're at
the skating rink and they go 'all skate, now reverse'... i was just
saying it and we stuck it before ['touch me fall'] because we thought
it represented what the song was doing."


- what is "touch me fall" about?

when asked in 1994 about the meaning of "touch me fall", amy replied,
"it is very abstract.  i don't think it is easy to understand the
meaning of it because i don't really either.  i just kind of let it
all come out.  it is sort of about decomposition in general.
decomposition of love, life and fame.  everything.  it is the beauty
of decomposition and i am tying it into the fall, meaning the
season."


- what are they saying near the end of "touch me fall"?

amy is saying, over and over again, the lyrics from the chorus:
"watch me let you down / if i stumble, i will stumble / if i fall, i
will fall / trying to hold it like rain in a river / everything is
getting bigger / better, can't hold it forever..."


- what is being sung at the beginning of "mystery"?

"handed down or made by hand."


- is larry ray, who sings on "dead man's hill", related to amy?

larry ray sr. is amy's father.


- what is "dead man's hill" about?

"dead man's hill" was inspired by an experience that amy had when she
was very young; she saw some high school boys douse cats with
gasoline and light them on fire.  it was, in her words, her "first
exposure to real evil".

in the "swamp ophelia" press release amy further explains, "the point
of view shifts back and forth from child to adult.  in some ways the
song is directed to my parents - that's why i asked my dad to sing on
it.  it's like i'm saying 'when things are bad i may not be able to
ask for your help, but i'll let you know they're bad!'"


- what are they saying at the beginning of "this train revised"?

the names of holocaust victims are being read by amy, emily, ferron
and michael lorant of big fish ensemble.


- what does the "revised" in "this train revised" mean?

"this train revised" was inspired both by amy's visit to the
holocaust museum in washington dc and by woody guthrie's song "this
train".  the original "this train" was about the righteous riding
into heaven.  in an interview in the 1994 issue of deneuve magazine
amy said, "i went to the holocaust museum and it really affected me.
there's a lot now that's being uncovered about the homosexual
experience of the holocaust and how it affected those survivors.  at
the museum it's made very clear that although jews were by far the
main victims of the holocaust, there were many others, too.  i really
need to write about these feelings."


- what is the music box playing at the end of "this train revised"?

if you listen closely, you can hear the sound of the music box
winding several seconds after the song itself ends.  the tune that
the music box plays is "nocturne in e-flat" by frederick chopin.


12. other song related questions
================================

- what is the unnamed track at the end of the second "1200 curfews"
        cd?

this is a partial version (just the chorus) of amy's song "problem
child" (called "go go go" in the "1200 curfews" press kit), combined
with the ending of "touch me fall".


- what is "blood quantum" about?

in an interview in philadelphia in august 1996, amy said, "'blood
quantum' [is about] indian policy - genocide through bureaucracy and
paperwork... it's all really convoluted, but it's based on a dream i
had.  i started the song... i had this dream that i'm standing in
line with this pitcher of blood and... you know, everybody's getting
their blood measured to see how much indian they are.  it was the
most bizarre dream - i just finished reading all these books on blood
quantum you know, and so i started this song and couldn't finish it,
so emily finished this song for me.  she wrote lyrics and music,
wrote the bridge and stuff."


13. recent indigo girls news
============================

- what are amy and emily currently up to?

on august 31, 1996, indigo girls completed a three-week demonstration
tour.  while it is possible that a random concert or two may be
scheduled before march/may (spring) 1997, there will be no full-scale
tour for the next few months.

amy, emily and band members have gone into the studio to begin
recording indigo girls' sixth studio album.  the new album, "map", is
tentatively scheduled for release around march 1997.  "map" is likely
to contain at least 10 or 11 tracks, and from what has been heard on
the demo tour, it is going to be a very good album indeed.

it is almost certain that indigo girls will be touring worldwide to
support this album although that information is not yet available.
three ways to find out about concert dates in advance are to join the
official indigo girls fan club, check their sony www page, or simply
watch for the announcement on the mailing list.  see the indigo girls
mailing list faq for information on how to join the indigo girls
mailing list.


- what new songs have amy and emily written lately?

new songs which will probably be included on the new album include:
by amy:
    - "chiapas bound"
    - "cut it out"
    - "don't give that girl a gun"
    - "hey kind friend"
    - "problem child" (a partial version of which is included at the
        end of "1200 curfews")
    - "shame on you"

by emily:
    - "cara mia"
    - "get out the map"
    - "going to the country"
    - "in its time" (title unconfirmed)
    - "it's alright"
    - "leeds"
    - "winthrop"


- i heard amy and emily are playing new instruments - is this true?

yes, it is.  both amy and emily have picked up a few new instruments.
here's a list of the instruments they are known to play:
    - amy - acoustic, 12-string, electric and slide guitars,
        mandolin, piano, melodica, ukelele
    - emily - acoustic, classical, electric, 12-string electric and
        slide guitars, banjo, dobro, dulcimer, bass guitar, bouzouki,
        piano, keyboards


14. miscellaneous questions
===========================

- who says "moo" and "who loves us... nobody!" on "1200 curfews"?

emily, in both cases.


- what does "soc" stand for?

soc stands for "stream of consciousness".  this is a literary style
where the author relates whatever is crossing their mind at that
moment, without any attempt to edit it.  amy has been known to use
this technique while performing a few of her songs live, most notably
"chickenman" and "touch me fall".  she has also mentioned that she
sometimes uses this technique while writing songs.


- what is "jesus christ superstar"?

in 1994, amy's record label daemon records released, in collaboration
with long play records, "jesus christ superstar: a resurrection", a
revival of andrew lloyd webber's rock opera as performed by a group
of atlanta artists.  the project was the brainchild of michael lorant
of big fish ensemble and gerard mchugh.  it started out jokingly but
eventually evolved into a 2-cd recording and live performance which
was staged in atlanta, austin and seattle.  a video of the austin
show, from march 1995, was released by daemon records, long play
records and flagpole magazine in 1996.

the project featured michael lorant as judas iscariot, gerard mchugh
as pontius pilate, emily as mary magdalene and amy as jesus.
proceeds were donated towards ending gun violence, a project close to
michael lorant's heart: the singer was shot in a store robbery in
little five points in atlanta in 1991.  for more information, visit
the hidden water "jesus christ superstar: a resurrection" www site at
http://www.hidwater.com/jcs/jcs.html.


- what is daemon records?

daemon records is a non-profit independent record label which was
started by amy in 1990.  based in decatur, georgia, daemon is "a
vehicle to allow recording artists to express their artistic vision
without the confines and restrictions of the traditional corporate
rock label".  amy believes strongly that diversity is the label's
first priority and strives to present music for people of all ages.
the common factor among the artists on the label is an "attention
to the craft of songwriting".

some of the artists signed to the daemon label include gerard
mchugh, danielle howle and reversing hour; former artists on the
label include kristen hall and band de soleil.  daemon was also
involved in the 1993 release of "jesus christ superstar: a
resurrection".  its most recent project has been the compilation
two-cd set "honor1", proceeds from which go towards aiding the
honor the earth campaign.

for more information about daemon, its artists or any of its
projects, contact daemon records at po box 1207, decatur, ga, usa
30031-1207 or visit their www site at http://monsterbit.com/daemon.


- what is honor the earth?

the honor the earth campaign is a joint project of the seventh
generation fund, the indigenous women's network and the indigenous
environment network.  their mission is to create "awareness and
support for indigenous environmental issues" and to obtain "needed
financial and political resources for the survival of sustainable
indigenous communities".

in her notes on the daemon records www site in mid-1996, amy wrote,
"the honor the earth campaign supports native activists doing
grassroots work to save their cultural ways, communities, and the
environment.  emily and i helped start the group about a year ago."
indigo girls toured for four weeks to help support the campaign in
1995, and amy has said that an honor the earth tour will be part of
every indigo girls touring season from now on.

the latest honor the earth project has been the release, in august
1996, of the 2-cd set "honor1: a benefit for the honor the earth
campaign" on amy's record label daemon records.  for more information
about "honor1" or the honor the earth campaign, visit the campaign's
www site at http://www.honorearth.com.


- what is rainy day records?

rainy day records is a record store in atlanta which specializes in
music by atlanta artists including collectibles, imports and rare
items.  rainy day records is owned and run by perry and marsha
thompson and ship worldwide.  contact perry and marsha at
(800) 636-6166 in the us, (404) 636-6166 outside the us, via email
at rainy@rainy.com, or visit their www site at http://www.rainy.com.


- what is the flying biscuit?

the flying biscuit is a small restaurant in atlanta which is owned in
part by emily.


- i really like indigo girls; what other artists might appeal to me?

if you like indigo girls, other artists whom you might like include:
    - mary chapin carpenter - one of the leading female country/folk
        artists today, mary chapin has sung with indigo girls and
        joan baez at the newport folk festival.  amy and emily also
        appear on her fourth album "come on come on".
    - shawn colvin - with her intelligent lyrics and stripped-down,
        entertaining live performance, shawn has been wowing fans for
        several years.
    - ani difranco - although she has been described as "folkpunk",
        that does not accurately capture the essence of ani's music.
        she is possibly one of the finest lyricists since bob dylan,
        and her music is intensely personal and always brutally
        honest.
    - disappear fear - a folk/pop band whose songs deal mainly with
        love and politics.  they have opened for indigo girls many
        times, and amy and emily appear on their second, self-titled
        album.
    - kristen hall - a longtime friend of the indigo girls (and
        formerly their guitar technician), kristen is a gifted
        songwriter whose emotive voice adds extra edge to her
        delivery.
    - michelle malone - formerly of drag the river and now fronting
        band de soleil, michelle is also a talented solo performer
        and is another longtime friend of amy and emily.  she has a
        wonderful voice and definite rock tendencies.
    - shawn mullins - a favorite on the atlanta folk scene, shawn
        often performs with fellow atlantan matthew kahler.  by
        himself he is also a wonderful songwriter who is gifted with
        a beautiful, smooth voice.
    - new mongrels - put together by haynes brooke, new mongrels is
        a group made up of musicians from atlanta and seattle,
        including amy, emily, michelle malone and gerard mchugh.
        they have one release available, "not dead (yet)", in which
        they perform a collection of brooke's songs which are quirky
        in the extreme.
    - dar williams - possessed of a beautiful voice and admirable
        songwriting skill, dar's intelligent, multi-layered songs and
        her often ingenious delivery will capture your heart and
        imagination.


15. acknowledgements
====================

this faq was created through the collaborative efforts of the
creative group known as jcsdoubled -
    jen lucero (jlucero@monmouth.com)
    christopher becker (cmbecker@space.mit.edu)
    sherlyn koo (sherlyn@fl.net.au)
    deb reiser (debbie@mei.com)
    dwayne jarrell (djarrell@ix.netcom.com)

we rock!

thank you to carolyn spidle for creating and maintaining the
lifeblood www site, and to all the people who contributed, directly
and indirectly, the information used in this document.

and of course the biggest thanks of all go to our inspirations, amy
ray and emily saliers.

                                                          a + e = ig

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to unsubscribe, send email to listserv@netspace.org
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date:         wed, 4 dec 1996 23:35:45 +1100
reply-to:     sherlyn koo <sherlyn@fl.net.au>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         sherlyn koo <sherlyn@fl.net.au>
subject:      ig mailing list faq (aka the welcome message)

welcome to the indigo girls mailing list!

please read and save this message which contains the indigo girls
mailing list faq.  we also recommend that you download the indigo
girls faq (see below for instructions) which contains information on
anything and everything about the indigo girls.

the list is a strange and wonderful place.  we do have a few words of
advice for new members:
    - it's often a good idea to wait a few days and get a "feel" for
        the list before posting for the first time.  this will give
        you a chance to get up to date with the current topics of
        discussion.
    - read the posting guidelines and the faq files which have been
        set up to help you find your feet more quickly.
    - if there's some hot debate going on and you're unsure whether
        to add your opinion or not, it may be better to wait.  it's
        often difficult to know, especially if you haven't been on
        the list for long, where the lines of netiquette lie.
    - remember that some of the people on the list have been here for
        years and that discussions that seem new to you may have
        been hashed out many times before.  experience in reading the
        list and posting on certain issues will help you determine
        these sorts of things more easily.
    - most importantly - have fun!


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indigo girls mailing list: frequently asked questions
=====================================================
version 1.0
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last modified: 16 november 1996.

copyright 1996 jcsdoubled.  all rights reserved.

please retain this copyright when reproducing any part of this faq.
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table of contents
=================
1. general questions about the indigo girls mailing list
2. questions about listserv commands
3. the posting guidelines
4. questions about indigo girls
5. miscellaneous questions
6. acknowledgements


questions about the indigo girls mailing list
=============================================

- what is the indigo girls mailing list?

the indigo girls mailing list is devoted to discussion of the music
of indigo girls and related artists.  all are welcome, and we strive
to maintain a friendly, flame-free atmosphere.  currently the list
membership stands at roughly 800 members from all walks of life and
from all around the world.

the list is maintained by jude shabry.  if you have any
administrative problems or queries about the list, direct your mail
to jude at jude@netspace.org.


- do amy and emily know about the list, and how do they feel about
        it?

amy and emily do know about the mailing list; indications are that
they have mixed feelings about it.  when asked in a 1994 interview
how she felt about the list amy said, "well, there are positive parts
about that.  a lot of that internet stuff has helped a lot of
musicians that i know as far as publishing tour schedules.  the only
negative ramification i see is when people start talking about your
personal life.  [things like] where they last saw you... it is hard
to keep the whole system responsible because people will be people,
so i think you have to take the good with the bad... i appreciate
the support it gives us, but... well, it is not necessary to try and
guess where somebody lives.  or guess where you saw somebody the
other night... but the support of the music itself, i think that is a
brilliant idea.  to support musicians through the whole computer
system i think is great."


- what is the difference between the "bounce" and "digest" forms of
        the list?

"digest" means the list server will compile all messages sent to the
list and send them to you as one long message, either every 24 hours
or when a certain size quota is reached, whichever happens first.
"bounce" means that messages will be individually "bounced" out to
you as soon as the list server receives them.

if your provider has a limit on the number of messages it can store
in your box, or you are charged per message received, it is
recommended that you subscribe to the digest form of the list.  if
you don't mind receiving many separate messages a day, you may prefer
to subscribe to the bounce version.  see below for instructions on
receiving the bounce or digest version of the list.


2. questions about listserv commands
====================================

- how do i get on the list?

to subscribe to the list, send an email message with no subject line
to:
    listserv@netspace.org
in the body of your message put (replacing "<your name>" with your
real name):
    subscribe indigo-girls <your name>


- how do i post to the list?

to post to the list, send your email to:
    indigo-girls@netspace.org

the list server at that address will then send a copy of your message
to every person who is a member of the mailing list.  before you send
your message, think about whether it conforms to the posting
guidelines outlined elsewhere in this document.


- how do i get off the list?

to unsubscribe from the list, send an email message with no subject
line to:
    listserv@netspace.org
in the body of your message put:
    signoff indigo-girls


- how do i switch from bounce to digest, or vice versa?

to switch from the bounce form of the list to the digest version,
send an email message with no subject line to:
    listserv@netspace.org
in the body of your message put:
    set indigo-girls mail digest

to switch from the digest form of the list to the bounce version,
send an email message with no subject line to:
    listserv@netspace.org
in the body of your message put:
    set indigo-girls mail nodigest


- how do i find out who is on the list?

to receive a list of all current non-concealed list members, send an
email message with no subject line to:
    listserv@netspace.org
in the body of your message put:
    review indigo-girls


- my listserv command didn't work, now what do i do?

note that the "signoff" and "set" commands will not work unless you
are sending your message from exactly the same address from which you
are subscribed to the list.  if you sent a command to the list server
and the server returned an error message reading "you are not
subscribed to the list", try sending the message again from the same
machine from which you originally subscribed (ask your system
administrator or your provider's support department if in doubt).

if you sent a command to the list server and the server returned a
message that reads "unknown command", you should read the help file
available from the server to find out the correct command syntax.
to receive the help file, send an email message with no subject line
to:
    listserv@netspace.org
in the body of your message put:
    help

if you have read the help file, re-tried the command, and still
received an error message, you should contact the list owner, jude
shabry, at jude@netspace.org.  let jude know what problems you are
having, and she will help you out.


3. the posting guidelines
=========================

- why do we need posting guidelines at all?

the posting guidelines are not intended to stifle free speech;
rather, they are intended to help keep the list "on track".  remember
that the purpose of the list is to provide a place to discuss the
music of the indigo girls and that many people on the list have
neither the time nor the inclination to read a lot of non-indigo
girls-related messages.

remember also that these are intended only as guidelines and not as
hard-and-fast rules about what may or may not be talked about on the
list.


- what are the guidelines?

the guidelines for posting on the indigo girls mailing list are as
follows:

1) read the indigo girls faq
it is highly recommended that you read the faq, especially if you are
a new member of the list, before posting any questions.  see below
for instructions on obtaining the faq.

2) check your message headers
if your message is intended for the whole list, make sure the address
in the "to:" field is the list address, "indigo-girls@netspace.org".
if your message is a private response to a message that was sent to
the whole list, make sure that the "to:" field contains the address
of the person to whom you wish to reply.

also make sure that the subject line is appropriate to the content of
your message.  adding "nigc" to the subject if your message is not
indigo girls related is also a good idea (more about this below).

3) delete all irrelevant text from quoted replies
if you're replying to someone else's post and want to quote their
message in your reply, make sure that you delete any irrelevant
sections of their message before sending your response.  this
includes their signature, any text that does not pertain to the
topic, and any message headers.

4) read through all your mail before you reply
it's a good idea to read through all your mail before you jump in
with a reply to a question that's been asked, in case someone else
has answered the question already.  also, if you want to reply to
several different messages, it is often a good idea to consolidate
your replies into one long message rather than sending several short
ones.

5) use private email where appropriate
think about whether your email really needs to be sent to the entire
list, or whether you should use private email instead.  remember that
the purpose of the list is to discuss the music of the indigo girls,
so if your message is private or not indigo girls related, you should
generally send it via private email.

this does not mean that off-topic discussion isn't welcome on the
list.  on the contrary, sometimes off-topic subjects are interesting
and even relevant (for example, discussing a local band or looking
for bootlegs of certain shows).  however, please try to limit
discussion to subjects that have at least some relevance to the music
of the indigo girls.

6) mark non-indigo girls-related messages "nigc"
if you are sending a message to the list that is not directly indigo
girls related, you should mark the header "nigc", eg. "looking for ed
smith (nigc)".  this indicates that your message has no indigo girls
content.  again, please try to limit the discussion to subjects that
have at least some relevance to the music of the indigo girls.  for
example, nigc does not mean "well, there's no ig discussion, so let's
talk about movies/hair styles/candy bars!".

7) do not post gossip about amy and emily
we respect amy and emily and their right to privacy; therefore,
please do not post any sort of gossip about their private lives to
the list.  please note that this includes reports of "sightings",
such as "i saw amy at the supermarket last night!"

8) keep your signature short
please try to keep your signature short (anything up to four or six
lines is considered short), or, if it's long and you don't want to
change it, turn it off entirely.  this saves the people subscribed to
the digest from having to scroll through your entire signature in
order to get to the next message in the digest.

9) think before you flame, and if you must flame, use private email
if someone says something on the list that you simply do not agree
with, it's often a good idea to wait a day or so before replying.
messages written in the heat of the moment tend to be more
inflammatory and less effective than messages written after a day or
so of thought.

if you must flame, do so via private email.  if you send a flame to
the entire list, you run the risk of being flamed by many other
people in retaliation.  remember too that if you send a flame, it
reflects not only on the person that you are flaming, but also on
yourself.

10) avoid "me too!" posts
messages which are nothing more than an entire quoted message
followed by "me too!" waste bandwidth and contribute nothing to the
development of a conversation.  if you feel that you must send this
sort of post, you should either send it via private email or else
make sure that your message has other content as well.

11) avoid hoax emails, cross-posts, chain letters, etc
there are a few hoax emails that are constantly being forwarded
around the internet.  obviously, if you are sent one of these, do not
forward it to the mailing list.  some of the most common hoaxes are:
    - a warning to compuserve users about a virus called "good times"
    - a warning about a virus called "pkzip.300"
    - a request for "get well" cards for a young boy with leukemia
    - a message purportedly containing a recipe from mrs field's
        cookies
    - various "get rich quick" and "make money fast" schemes

also, please refrain from forwarding cross-posts (messages which are
sent to many unrelated forums at once), chain letters, humor stories
or large files to the list.  if you would like to share this sort of
message with the list, you should post a short note describing the
content of the message and offering to forward it to anyone who is
interested.  if enough people express interest, you may want to then
forward the message to the list.  however, please do not
indiscriminately forward these kinds of files to the list.

12) how to deal with spam
"spam" is the common term for junk emails (usually advertising)
which are sent to large sections of the internet at a time.  these
posts are annoying but unfortunately hard to avoid.  if you receive
a spam email from the list, you should either ignore it or send your
reply directly to the original poster.  do not post complaints or
flames to the list; while it is almost guaranteed that everyone on
the list is as annoyed as you are, the resultant spate of flame
emails is often more annoying than the original spam itself.

13) how to conduct surveys over the list
if you want to conduct any kind of survey over the list, you should
present your idea to the list and ask people to send their responses
to you via private email.  you can then compile the data and post
the results to the list at a later date.  this keeps the volume of
email on the list down.

14) what to do if you think the list is dead
the list server dies from time to time and is always restarted as
soon as the problem is discovered.  if you're not sure whether the
server is still running you should refrain from posting until you
receive proof that the server is up.  sending "is the list running?"
messages is pointless if the list is not running, and a waste of
bandwidth if it is.  if you want to confirm whether or not other
people have been receiving list mail, privately mail someone from the
list and ask them instead.

if you haven't been receiving list mail, another possibility is that
you may have been dropped from the subscription list (this also
happens from time to time).  use the "review" command to see who is
subscribed to the list; if your name is not there you will need to
resubscribe.


4. questions about the indigo girls
===================================

- is there a faq file about indigo girls?  how do i get it?

the indigo girls faq has been made as comprehensive as possible;
many questions have been answered there that have not been addressed
in this document.  it is highly recommended that anyone with
questions about indigo girls or their music read the faq.

the faq is available in several ways:
    - via anonymous ftp from space.mit.edu, in directory pub/cmb/ig
    - on the www at http://www.fl.net.au/~sherlyn/ig

if you cannot retrieve the faq by either of the above methods, the
faq is also available by email from sherlyn koo (sherlyn@fl.net.au),
or from any of the faq creators listed at the end of this file.


- what are amy and emily currently up to?

on august 31, 1996, indigo girls completed a three-week demonstration
tour.  while it is possible that a random concert or two may be
scheduled before march/may (spring) 1997, there will be no full-scale
tour for the next few months.

amy, emily and band members have gone into the studio to begin
recording indigo girls' sixth studio album.  the new album, "map", is
tentatively scheduled for release around march 1997. some of the
songs which may be included on the album are emily's "cara mia",
"get out the map", "going to the country", "in its time" (title
unconfirmed), "it's alright", "leeds", and "winthrop"; and amy's
"chiapas bound", "cut it out", "don't give that girl a gun", "hey
kind friend", and "shame on you".  "map" is likely to contain at
least 10 or 11 tracks, and from what has been heard on the demo tour,
it is going to be a very good album indeed.

it is almost certain that indigo girls will be touring worldwide to
support this album although that information is not yet available.
three ways to find out about concert dates in advance are to join the
official indigo girls fan club, check the epic records indigo girls
www page, or simply watch for the announcement on the mailing list.


5. miscellaneous questions
==========================

- what are all these acronyms?

some song titles, album titles, and phrases crop up so many times in
conversation that they are often abbreviated or turned into acronyms.

some of the more common acronyms include: igc (indigo girls content),
nigc (no indigo girls content), a&e (amy and emily), sf ("strange
fire"), nis ("nomads*indians*saints"), rop ("rites of passage"), so
("swamp ophelia"), latul ("live at the uptown lounge"), ws
("watershed"), ctf ("closer to fine"), lc ("least complicated"), tmf
("touch me fall"), jcs ("jesus christ superstar"), soc (stream of
consciousness), rdr (rainy day records), hte (honor the earth), and
a.m.ig (alt.music.indigo-girls).

other acronyms which are commonly used on the internet are: irc
(internet relay chat), btw (by the way), imho (in my humble
opinion), fwiw (for what it's worth), lol (laughing out loud), and
rotfl (rolling on the floor laughing).

there are, of course, many more.  if you are having trouble figuring
out what an acronym stands for, remember that it will usually be a
song title or a reference to some subject that has been under
discussion on the list recently.


- is there any kind of list merchandise available?  can i organize to
get some made?

every so often, someone will arrange to have a batch of t-shirts,
bumper stickers, buttons etc made, and sold on the list at cost.
these items are limited editions and are only available under the
terms laid down by their creators (timeframe, cost etc).  currently
the "official indigo girls mailing list t-shirts" are being offered
roughly once a year.  if there are no list merchandise projects
underway when you join the list, be patient.  these projects are
often under development, so watch out for announcements on the list.

if you want to organize one of these projects yourself there are
certain legalities to be aware of.  in particular, remember that the
name "indigo girls" is a registered trademark and that most pictures
of amy or emily (including album covers) and all lyrics are
copyrighted.  before you go ahead with the production of any list
merchandise, make absolutely certain that you are not violating any
copyrights.  you should also check that the list is in favor of your
idea.  the list address (indigo-girls@netspace.org) should not be
used as part of your design if their is widespread objection to your
proposal.  if there is dispute the matter should be referred to the
list owner.


- what are boots?  how can i get some?

a "boot", which is short for bootleg, is an unauthorized concert
recording.  boots come in two varieties - "professionally" created
bootlegs, usually released as cds which have been pressed in europe
under loopholes in copyright laws, and "homemade" tapes made by fans
who take tape recorders into concerts, or obtain copies of soundboard
recordings of the show.  almost all bootlegs are created by the
second method.

the best way to get bootleg tapes is to arrange a tape trade with
someone from the list.  if you don't know anyone who has any tapes
and you're interested in trading, the best thing to do is to send a
short message to the list asking if anybody is interested in trading
with you.  see below for the list policy regarding bootleg trading.


- are boots illegal?

most venues ban recording equipment, both audio and video, and may
confiscate your tape recorder if they find it.  however, whether
bootlegging is actually illegal depends more on where you are and on
what you do with the product.  one thing is for certain - it is
always illegal to make a profit from one of these recordings!


- what is the list policy regarding boots?

members of the list have asked amy and emily about the bootleg issue
and they have taken the "grateful dead" stance.  that is, they have
no problem with fans taping shows (depending, of course, upon the
venue policy), but you are on your honor not to sell the recordings.
trading is fine, and the list's policy reflects amy's and emily's
wishes.  boots are free to be traded for either another boot, a blank
tape, goods to the equivalent value, or the cost of the tape and
postage.  people selling homemade boots are not welcome on the list.
it is recommended that you don't do any business with someone
offering to sell you a boot because someone else will certainly trade
with you.  and in order to help out those new to trading, boot
traders are encouraged to take a blank tape in return for a recording
if the tradee has nothing to offer.


- what are the "must have" boots?

there are a few early bootlegs which are recommended for anyone who
is thinking of starting a bootleg collection.  these include:
    - "tuesday's children" (1981), an early "studio" tape recorded in
        amy's basement
    - "color me grey" (1982/1985), amy's solo tape, initially
        recorded in 1982, a more widely circulated version released
        in 1985
    - "blue food" (1985), an early independent release
    - "live at the purple parrot" (1986), a much-circulated audience
        recording

- what is a tape tree, and how do they work?

sometimes an exceptional boot or compilation tape will be of very
high interest to the list at large.  in order to make life easier for
the owner of the tape, and to ensure that everyone who wants the tape
will receive a fairly early generation copy, the tape owner (the
trunk) will make copies for a few people (the branches), who in turn
make copies for everyone else (the leaves).  the trunk keeps the
master tape, the branches receive a 2nd generation copy, and each
leaf receives a 3rd generation copy.  this is called a tape tree.

typically trees will be announced on the list along with a list of
the names of the branches.  branches are usually divided either by
region, last name or zodiac sign, or some combination of the three.
when a tree is announced, it is good form to contact the person who
is handling your branch as soon as possible.


- what is "indicated"?  how can i get a copy?

"indicated" (aka "back on the 'net, y'all") is a series of tapes of
covers of indigo girls songs as performed by members of the list.
the first "indicated" was created in 1993.  the two subsequent
versions were organized by rob sticka; "indicated ii" appeared in
1995 and "indicated iii" in 1996.

there are many other compilation tapes in existence.  as with
bootlegs, the best way to obtain copies of these tapes is to
organize a tape trade with someone from the list.


6. acknowledgements
===================

this faq was created through the collaborative efforts of the
creative group known as jcsdoubled -
    jen lucero (jlucero@monmouth.com)
    christopher becker (cmbecker@space.mit.edu)
    sherlyn koo (sherlyn@fl.net.au)
    deb reiser (debbie@mei.com)
    dwayne jarrell (djarrell@ix.netcom.com)

we rock!

thank you also to our fearless listmanager jude shabry
(jude@netspace.org), to carolyn spidle for the lifeblood site, and to
all the list-owners and members past and present.

and of course the biggest thanks of all go to our inspirations, amy
ray and emily saliers.

                                                          a + e = ig

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reply-to:     dragonman <djarrell@ix7.ix.netcom.com>
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from:         dragonman <djarrell@ix7.ix.netcom.com>
subject:      lorinda's trivia question

well, lorinda gets points for asking a tough one.  only one person responded
to me with the correct answer of don't give up on me baby (and yes, deb, i
know that i didn't capitalize right on that one :).  so give a giant round
of applause for...

wendell lee <wlee@indy1.calarts.edu>

congrats, wendell.

and now that andi has asked a question, i will have some time to think up
another one...  :)

whatever,

:dwayne

djarrell@ix.netcom.com
"i don't know what you saw,
i want someone who can see me" - dar williams, "as cool as i am"

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reply-to:     "mendy m. williams" <mwill11@emory.edu>
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subject:      please help--i'm desparate
in-reply-to:  <961030220854_1315115984@emout07.mail.aol.com>

i need to know how to get off of this list if there has been a slight
change in my address.  i've followed all the instructions and it won't
unsubscribe me.  i've tried following the instructions that the server
sent me to contact the list administrator but i have gotten no reply.  if
i don't get off this list i could lose this account.

thanks in advance to anyone who can help.

mendy

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date:         wed, 4 dec 1996 09:18:04 -0500
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subject:      re: whoa...  help me!

y'all...

thanks for all the responses...  i shall have to go out and invest in a
"philadelphia" soundtrack...
-mandy

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subject:      nigc- kristen hall

howdy.

unless i was dreaming (that's a possibility, i guess), i
think someone on the list mentioned that kristen was selling a tape
at a recent show (maybe a 'live' recording of some sort).

is this true?  if so, is it available via record company, mail order,
etc.  can anyone help?  thanks!

        j.

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reply-to:     "kim: goddess in her own reality" <rcn@prcn.org>
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from:         "kim: goddess in her own reality" <rcn@prcn.org>
subject:      re: age

hey y'all...
<kim steps forward, clears her throat and once again prepares to expose
herself for the ancient that she is >
ummm... i was *never* a 12 year old....
but... when i *was* never one, i wish i'd had music like the indigo girls to
listen to. i was a lyric freak, anf full of emotion and burgeoning young
womanhood and all that crap and i wrapped meanings, intended and not so
intended, up into every last word of every song i listened to...
unfortunately, i was surrounded by adults who listened to hank williams etc
etc etc ...
sob... choke... achem... anyways...
so far as 12 year olds listening to the ig's music??? ummm, me, i gots a
thirteen year old, and i'd be more than happy if he "sang along mindlessly"
with my mind enlightening + thought provoking ig music instead of the
"thought rot" put out by some of the "overexposed" really really really
really yucky heavy metal bands that are out there. he may not understand
*some* of the connotations etc in the girls music, but hey... he will, and
i'd rather his brain be tripping along over "how long till my soul gets it
right?" than shorting out to "death is the only way... blood blood blood"
(<--- or something to that effect...) it's hard to keep the stuff outa my
home, but i think the effort's worth it...he's part of the future
generation.  he can have his own taste, but it's gotta be healthy, and
geeze... the girls are healthy.
ummm.... i'll be quiet now...
peace all... kim ( goddess and mom who thinks parenting gets harder every
day, since i refuse to control my kids minds, but i'd at least like to have
some say over what those minds are being fed... too much junk thought is bad
bad bad... ) :)
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
"don't tell me i'm burning the candle
at both ends... tell me where to get
more wax!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
-------<justkim>rcn@prcn.org----------
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>

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x-to:         jrauscher@agnes.agnesscott.edu

janet wrote:
>
> i gotta go along with stephen on this...and only partially because
> i'm 19, and have listened to and loved the girls for several years.
> i understand that it would be hard to hear 12-year-olds mindlessly
> singing along to ig songs.  however, i think that as we grow the
> songs grow with us...the 12-year-old who likes the tune of "galileo"
> will change and grow enormously, as will the song to her, and its
> meaning for her.  actually, there is a certain beauty in that
> innocence, that taking things at face value, and, in our haste to
> analyze, we overlook the obvious.  besides, to me it would be far
> worse to hear a 32, 42, 52, whatever-year-old sing along mindlessly
> or with a false sense of superiority in having "figured out" the
> song.  basically, i understand the upset, but, really, aren't we just
> a tad bit too quick to judge?  let everyone enjoy ig at their own
> level....
> increase the peace,
> janet (strapping on protection gear)
>
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worse to hear a 32, 42, 52, whatever-year-old sing along mindlessly
or with a false sense of superiority in having "figured out" the song"
well!!!!! this 43 yr seems to enjoy mindlessly singing along to the
girls..its taken me a good portion of my 43 years to figure out what they
are really talking about..when i was 19 i thought i knew all the
answers..had all the dreams and knew exactly what i was gonna
do..then..suprise suprise..life came along and changed all that..how i
wish i was still 19 and didn't know what i do know now...

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dear amy and emily,
        hello, my name is jill wolf and i must say that i love your work.
both of you i am sure have heard this befor but you two are definatly
and inspiration to many peoples lives...mine most definatly included!!!!
i cant wait to see you guys in concert one day and when that day
comes...well hopefully that day will come!!!
                                i love you both!!
                                        jill wolf

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on wed, 4 dec 1996, milstien wrote:

> dear amy and emily,
>         hello, my name is jill wolf and i must say that i love your work.
>  both of you i am sure have heard this befor but you two are definatly
> and inspiration to many peoples lives...mine most definatly included!!!!
> i cant wait to see you guys in concert one day and when that day
> comes...well hopefully that day will come!!!
>                                 i love you both!!
>                                         jill wolf

that's so cute!  *sigh*

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i believe this is off the soundtrack to philadelphia.

jen

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hello everyone,
i'm really just lurking right now, and this listserv thing is relatively
new to me.  i just have a question...if anyone knows of anywhere in athens
that i can get old ig stuff, please let me know...i really would like to
obtain the early works of emily and amy.  thanks a lot!
-pop

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               darie l. kidwell
       email:  popples@arches.uga.edu
web page:  http://www.arches.uga.edu/~popples/

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subject:      re: joni mitchell vs emily on river

hi there!
about joni vs emily (in my opinion there is no winner,they have different
hearts, got the idea?!!)
i must say joni is perfection; emily & amy (my beloved ones)
are very, very close to perfection. anyway, emily's version of
river was pretty cool.
does anybody have a tape of joni's covers played by the girls,or by
emily in particular?
thanks!
chiara

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from:         rachel sefton-smith <seffy@epic.co.uk>
subject:      ig on uk tv this sat (rpt)

hi to all uk listies, (and

in case you missed it first time round, the shepherds bush empire show is
being shown again on bbc1 this saturday night - think it's on after
midnight.  note that this is the same show as the one that was shown on the
disney channel in the states, although re-edited.

enjoy!

seffy

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subject:      ig newsletter...

alrighty, here it is, the ig newsletter that i (and a few others) got.  of
course, this may be some big violation to re-type it for you all, but oh
well.

november 1996

greetings,

        as you will read, amy and emily are putting the finishing touches
on their new album as you receive this note.  the record will be released
sometime in march and will be followed by a major u.s. outdoor tour with a
band beginning on memorial day and ending in august.  in addition to the
summer tour, we will book many college dates in the spring, a few festival
dates in europe in the spring, a tour in early fall set up specifically for
high school students, an honor the earth benefit tour and a theater duo
tour in the fall.
        we want you to be as active as us in 1997.  we want to be sure you
know when you can buy the album and the singles, where and when to buy
tickets, when to see the indigo girl on letterman, leno, pbs special, etc.
you will receive your newsletter as always but also know that the new
website will offer you comprehensive up the the minute information.
http://www.indigogirls.com
        you will see and hear amy and emily working in the studio on the
album, developing album artwork, doing photo shoots and promotional
appearances.  they will post periodic audio messages.  in short, the side
will be constantly upgraded.
        one last note for now, please mail or email your name, current
address, phone and fax and email address. we are updating our mailing list
and want to make sure you are on it.

happy holidays, russell

(this is handwritten by emily)

hi everyone,
        it's been a long hiatus for us, and now we're back in the studio,
working on a new record.  i fully enjoyed my year off from touring.  i
caught up on some reading (cormac mccarthy's (sp?)  'all the pretty horses'
and 'the crossing' are the most powerful novels i've read in recent memory)
i think my favorite movie of the year off was 'the postman'  it also
renewed my interestin the poetry of pablo nervda whose love sonnets and
other odes i've been lapping up.  my favorite activity of the break was
probably piano lessons, which i hope to continue (growing tomatoes and
cooking at home were pretty wonderful experiences as well)  i got to hang
out with my cats, drink coffee and read the ny times in the morning.
actually, as i write this and think about all the things i was able to do
this past year, the list seems endless, and i am grateful.  so thanks for
being patient!
        it's impossible, at this point, to say what the new record is going
to feel like, but amy and i are producing it ourselves (with dave leonard
and some early guidance from peter collins), and i am really enjoying the
recording experience.  we started in nashville, spent a month in austin
(great town) and now we're back in atlanta to finish up.  it should be out
in march, and then we'll be in your town at some point.  so, thanks again.
        if anything's most in my heart and mind it is a drive towards
kindness and action.  we must be a collective balm for this wounded, broken
world, and we can be.  all of this anti-gay, anti-immigrant,
anti-indigenous, anti-'others' must be transformed into mutual respect for
all peoples.  i want to celebrate diversity.  once this country truly
embraces our legacy of diversity and claims full responsibility for the
evils of our past and present, then i will be patriotic! uh oh, i could
really go off.  let's work together in music, faith, and respect.  emily


(this is typed by amy)

        what i did on my summer vacation...it's actually been a couple of
summers and everything else that fell in between.  i can't decide if the
musical world has changed during our absence or if it always feels like the
record industry is going to implode.  money seems to be changing hands on a
grand scale and its harder than ever for an indie band to have an impact
(for that matter its hard for any band).  but believe it or not i am an
eternal optimist...i see more grassroots resources available than ever
before...so as my good friend gerard mchugh would say, "don't give up the
ghost, the show is not over!"  in any case, we promise to do our part this
coming year by keeping ticket and merchandise prices low, also we will
continue taking indie bands on the road with us.  with all that in mind,
onto my summer vacation...
        daemon records released an astonishing six projects!  the most
recent release, honor1, is a compilation cd that benefits the honor the
earth campaign (see this newsletter for more details).  our two upcoming
releases are the rock*a*teens (second cd for the label) and a brand new
daemon band, lift.  these band are on opposite ends of the spectrum and in
many ways fulfill our mission of offering up compelling music for many
different taste.  if you are interested in being on our mailing list write
to:  p.o.box 1207, decatur, ga. 30031.
        my most memorable adventure this past year was a trip down to
chiapas, mexico.  one of the projects we funded through the honor the earth
involves the zapatistas, a group of mayan indians that are struggling for
land autonomy and self-determination.  we gave a grant that helped to buy
supplies for a women's art co-op.  selling textiles and crafts is one way
the villages bring in money.  the zapatista women are constantly harassed
by the mexican military when they walk through the militarized zones to
gather supplies.  with the grant money they were able to stockpile supplies
and avoid the confrontations.  i was able to meet four of the zapatista
women commandantes when i attended the conference hosted by the zapatistas
where we discussed globalization and its negative effects on the human
community.  the conference was held in the mayan community spread
throughout the rainforest in five different centers of resisitance.  these
centers of resisitant are in effect safe zones where community
infrastructure is being established by the mayan people.  during my
travels, i learned a lot of lessons in patience and diginity, its
impossilbe  to articulate my experience.  the zapatistas' struggle against
the corruption of the mexican government and the world domination of
transnational corporations (mainly u.s. interest) is important; we should
all be aware of it.  for information and a way you can help, contact tha
national commission for democracy in mexico at phone/fax: (915)532-8382
email: moonlight@igc.apc.org.
        musically speaking, i have spent hours practicing my guitar,
writing, and listening to music.  i need so much time to clear my head of
touring, that i usually don't get around to playing as much as i want
to-the year was great for that.  bob marley is my current pick for
inspiration, but it changes every day.  the studio is going...mmm..what
should i say...i wonder what emily would say???  well lets just say we are
sort of self-producing this time, and we are spending many hours exploring
new territory as well as rediscovering the old.  one highlight so far was a
visit by steve earle on the song "shame on you".  we have worked in austin,
nashville, and atlanta.  we hope to be done before the new year...
        if you are frustrated by the state of the union there are many
things you can do; here is one idea.  join artist for a hate free america,
call 1-800-3-what-2-do...
                ok for now hope you are too,
                                        ar

alrighty, that's it.  i apologize for anything i got wrong, typos, etc.

peace, love, and moving to olympia,

        sundara<-- who is wearing her new purple nail polish her lovely

                        housemate got her!! :)

"my dreams came in like needy children
tugging at my sleeve,
i said i have no way of feeding you, so leave"

                -emily

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date:         wed, 4 dec 1996 12:27:24 -0500
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from:         kristen adkins <gt4403e@prism.gatech.edu>
subject:      re: nigc- kristen hall
x-to:         joolz <jwolfenden@clarku.edu>

howdy.
:
: unless i was dreaming (that's a possibility, i guess), i
: think someone on the list mentioned that kristen was selling a tape
: at a recent show (maybe a 'live' recording of some sort).
:
: is this true?  if so, is it available via record company, mail order,
: etc.  can anyone help?  thanks!
:
:         j.

as the person that posted that to the list all i can tell you is that she
was selling it there is no address listed on the liner and otherwise really
could not tell you.  she should play at eddie's attic again soon, and i'll
try to get more info. then.  if anyone knows anything different please let
me know i have a friend who is dying to get a copy of the tape and she has
been waiting patiently while wearing mine out.

forever searching for the truth,

kristen
~~~~~~
kristen r. adkins                        "i gotta be me
324403 georgia tech station     gotta make sure that i can remember
atlanta ga 30332                        how to be real
gt4403e@prism.gatech.edu         gonna mail myself return to sender."
(404)206-4155                            -"chicago 5 a.m."-kristen hall

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date:         wed, 4 dec 1996 12:22:23 -0400
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from:         "joan m. cyr" <jcyr@mit.edu>
subject:      joni vs. emily...kinda nigc

ok, all this talk about "joni" is freaking me out....

the name and that exact spelling is not common and not often seen/heard
(seriously-how many "joni's" do you know?).  so everytime i scan the posts
and see the word "joni" i have to do a double-take....is someone talking
about me?  trying to get me a message 'cuz they forgot my email address?

"what?  what?"

["oh, they're talking about joni mitchell.  oh, ok."]

whew....i need nice mocha cappucino with whipped cream right about
now...yea, that'll make me calm down...right...

[is it easier having a more common name like mary or laura or debbie?  if
you have a common name, do you do a double-take everytime you hear it, or
are you de-sensitized to it 'cuz you hear is so often...just wonderin...]

signed, joni  :o)  (formally "joanie," but "joni" was more unique i thought...)

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date:         wed, 4 dec 1996 12:56:56 -0800
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subject:      question...

hi everyone!

with all the response to the "overpopulartiy" etc., i have stumbled
across my own question.  it was sparked by someone's comment about
alanis' management (or whatever) telling her she should be "harder".
the response was: well there's amy...

my question concerns ig on the radio and music videos.  why is it emily
gets more popularity in this medium?  closer to fine, galileo, hand me
downs, least complicated, power of two.  the only amy song (and ejs)
that i've heard on the radio is tried to be true.

what do yall think?  did i miss something?

still pondering...
amy

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date:         wed, 4 dec 1996 13:04:52 -0800
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subject:      summer tour thought...

hello,

okay, i've been thinking way too much lately!  thanks to sundara (thank
you) we all have a preview of what touring may be like for the next
tour.  i was wondering if any listees wanted to try to set up a "listee"
type tour to follow them (sort of).  my idea is that we could set up
group camp sites in a particular area.  someone would need to volunteer
for different states, etc. to make arrangements for group sites.  this
way if we wanted to catch several shows on this tour, we could save
money, hang with and meet new ig freinds, etc.  i think it would be
fun!  has this been tried before?  do you think it would work?  am i
living in a dream world?

awaiting any thoughts...
amy

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date:         wed, 4 dec 1996 12:24:24 -0600
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subject:      this american journal thing

hi all...something just crossed my mind. i was just on the epic site and
noticed the post on the bulletin board that mentions the feature the will
run about the girls. it says to watch for a new tv show called "american
journal." well, aj isn't new and as others have said, not exactly the type
of show you'd want to see the girls on, but cnn's "american edge" is. is it
possible the poster meant that show? i caught part of ae last week and it
seems like the type of show that would do a segment on the girls. today's
segment is about the nation's new freedom fighters. is possible that a&e's
work with honor the earth would be a part of that? hmmm....i think i'll be
tuning in (i think it's on at 10 eastern time but don't quote me)

deb

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date:         wed, 4 dec 1996 18:25:45 +0000
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on wed, 4 dec 1996, amy e. hannon wrote:

<snip>
> my question concerns ig on the radio and music videos.  why is it emily
> gets more popularity in this medium?  closer to fine, galileo, hand me
> downs, least complicated, power of two.  the only amy song (and ejs)
> that i've heard on the radio is tried to be true.

unless it's a live version you keep hearing on the radio, it's not ejs,
it's rem.   (yes, *that* rem.)   all of the band was featured on their
self-titled album;  buck, berry and mills on tried to be true, and stipe
on kid fears.

mat

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date:         wed, 4 dec 1996 13:18:04 -0500
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subject:      age
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okay. i couldn't help it. m two cents are flying in here, so if you don't
like being hit in the head with copper, please duck. consider this your
warning...
anyway, i think i discovered ig when i was about twelve or thirteen. i was
in junior high, no matter how you look at it. i was probably one of those
twelve year olds singing mindlessly to gallileo. hey..i liked the music,
and i liked the general concept, most of which, surprisingly, i
understood. (off the record, i don't think we're giving the young 'uns
enough credit. you'd be surprised the concepts they can grasp. maybe they
haven't experienced the pain of *you left it up to me*, or *ghost*, or
something to that effect, but i think the general concepts are always
there, imbedded, just waiting for experience to come along and flesh them
out. but i digress.) anyway, i listened to them for a while, and kind of
grew away from them until my senior year in higfh school, when my best
friend dragged out a copy of ghost, and made me listen to it, to help me
understand the way she was feeling about her ex. i fell in love with them
all over aain, and remebered why i had appreciated them in the first
place.

and i don't think ig is in any danger of overexposure. take sarah
mclachlan, for example. she's more popular now than she's ever been, with
the release of *fumbling towards ecstasy*, but i don't think anyone would
be calling her top 40. if more people can listen to the girls and
appreciate them, i'm thrilled. they have a lot to say, and their music
should be heard, not shrouded in shadows by those of us desperately afraid
of overexposure. no matter what, the girls will be girls, and i for one,
am thrilled. and whendid an ig song become a favorite at school dances?
that's a little odd...

just my humble opinion.

meg
mkmst23+@pitt.edu

*i require only three things from a man...
he must be handsome, ruthless, and stupid*
                        -dorothy parker-

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date:         wed, 4 dec 1996 13:52:41 est
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from:         "susan b. marine" <susan.b.marine@dartmouth.edu>
subject:      i'm 12 years old inside, yessiree (nigc)

greetings toasty-o's

i have been post-happy lately but i have to get in on this ageism discussion. i
think its freakin great that 12 yr olds listen to the ig (despite what my
cyber-gf thinks- wink). why? cause when i was 12 (im now 26), my musical
choices (so to speak-- what i had access to) were

1) warrant's cherry pie cd--gotta love it, janie lang and the boys singing
about women as dessert items
2) michael jackson/janet jackson/germaine jackson/the jackson 5- enuff said
3) the jets- i"ve got a crrrrush on you

if i had positive, strong women like amy and emily and ani as role models, i
might have (i'd bet on it!) skipped about five years of starving myself to be
sexy, wearing three layers of blue eyshadow so boys would look at me, and
compromising myself sexually because thats what my 'role models' sang to me
about and modeled for me.

so to all you 12 year olds...i'm thrilled for you, and envious that i couldn't
have had the wonderful experience of growing up with the ig like you are
having. good fer you! :)

susanna banana
(admittedly a member of the kiss army from 1979-1986...ugh)

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date:         wed, 4 dec 1996 13:11:08 -0600
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from:         "hsu amber r. batson" <arbatson@hsutx.edu>
subject:      re: overexposure

i first heard ctf when i was 16 at young life.  we sang it, and i had no
idea who sang it.  then, when i was 17 my friend's mom who sings at
coffeehouses sang ctf and then i found out who sang it, then i got the
ig cd last xmas after i wore the tape out.  i thought nothing could top
it until i heard so this summer, and then rop, and then nis,and then
1200c, and then botby, and then sf. now i love ig and understand their
lyrics and stuff, but i'm still younger.  i'm not a true ig fan, though,
because i haven't seen them live and i don't have any bootlegs (i'm so
broke and my car got stolen w/ no insurance.)  anyways, just thought i
would share this with you.
amber

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date:         wed, 4 dec 1996 18:04:52 gmt
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subject:      river

hi everyone!

this thread about emily, joni, and _river_ has got me thinking ... i think
both versions are great, and for different reasons.

i was honestly kind of surprised when i first got a copy of 1200 curfews that
_river_ was included in it -- it's somewhat seasonal, it's the only solo
number, and it's not really done that often, relatively speaking (especially
in recent years). now i'm kind of happy that it was included, because the way
i've come to see it is as a tribute by emily to an artist who has had a
tremendous influence on her. i wouldn't presume to know, but i don't think
the intention was to be "better" -- there's only one joni mitchell, after
all. however, i think it is a very worthy cover, simply because emily brings
to it her own unique voice and talent, and more than that, her own memories
and experiences attached to that particular song. when i read the liners and
imagine a teenage emily playing the record, or even think of amy standing by
the stage and wondering what to give her for christmas -- i don't know, maybe
it's just me, but there's something quite moving in thinking of it as a kind
of homage from one artist to another.

or maybe, i'm waxing sentimental 'cause it's coming on christmas ... :)

anna

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date:         wed, 4 dec 1996 11:53:31 -0800
reply-to:     dwayne jarrell <djarrell@ix20.ix.netcom.com>
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from:         dwayne jarrell <djarrell@ix20.ix.netcom.com>
subject:      re: ig newsletter...

thanks, sundara, for posting the newsletter.  russell apparently doesn't
like me, 'cause he stopped sending them to me a while back.  :(  (and i
don't have my old ones because i gave them to the story so jonatha could see
that em was talking about her. :)

i have a couple of comments:

emily said:
>i caught up on some reading (cormac mccarthy's (sp?)  'all the pretty horses'
>and 'the crossing' are the most powerful novels i've read in recent memory)

yes yes yes!  ed kowalczyk of +live+ also recommended _all the pretty
horses_ to the live list.  i can't say enough about these two books.  i got
a friend hooked on this author, and even gave a copy of 'all the pretty
horses' to my dad for christmas last year.  i am so psyched to see that em
and i are reading the same books (last time she mentioned e. annie proulx).
i can't think of a better way to have a connection to emily.

(in case people are wondering, these books are set in the early part of this
century.  they are both about teenage boys (/young men) who for very
different reasons cross the border into mexico.  it is about their
experiences in that more primal world.  the writing is incredible, and the
stories and characters are compelling.  they are sort of modern, existential
westerns.  or something like that.)

>once this country truly
>embraces our legacy of diversity and claims full responsibility for the
>evils of our past and present, then i will be patriotic!

yeah, emily.  :)

amy said:
>        what i did on my summer vacation...

this is so funny.  i like amy's sense of humor.  :)

>                ok for now hope you are too,

how sweet.  thanks, amy!  :)

>        sundara<-- who is wearing her new purple nail polish her lovely
>                        housemate got her!! :)

wow!  what a coincidence, so am i.

whatever,
:dwayne

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date:         wed, 4 dec 1996 12:02:16 -0800
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subject:      joni rules...sorry
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river = joni mitchell

thanks everyone else who played the cover game...seems to be a popular
one to do..sigh...we all want to be joni deep down though...don't give a
shit, pass me the reefer man, hey who are all these people in my house..
i'm going to bed.

peace ya'll kim (north van)

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date:         wed, 4 dec 1996 15:06:43 -0500
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subject:      seattle-nigc

hi everyone!

i just had to say a big group thank you for everyone who has written to me
about seattle and wisconsin.  i don't know that it has made my choice any
easier, they both sound great.

however...i have to say that seattle looks better and better everyday.  it
is laid back, tons-o-nature, mountains, water, and a great city!!!:)

plus...the americorp program that i really like happens to be in
seattle...lucky me:)

anyway...i hope to get out to visit the northwest soon...spring break maybe!

so a great big thanks to everyone who has helped!  wish me luck in the
application process and telling the parentals that i am going all of the way
across the country!  no big deal right...what is the difference?  south
carolina coast---washington coast?:)

have a great day everyone!!!!:)---and if you want..put on some overalls,
they always make me smile and break out into song..well sometimes anyway!

tucker


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because you'd cry your eyes out
if you didn't
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date:         wed, 4 dec 1996 12:28:51 -0700
reply-to:     jill frankel <jefrankel@ucdavis.edu>
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from:         jill frankel <jefrankel@ucdavis.edu>
subject:      nigc- kristen hall
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joolz <jwolfenden@clarku.edu> wrote:

>howdy.

>unless i was dreaming (that's a possibility, i guess), i
>think someone on the list mentioned that kristen was selling a tape
>at a recent show (maybe a 'live' recording of some sort).

>is this true?  if so, is it available via record company, mail order,
>etc.  can anyone help?  thanks!

>       j.

hey all...i have some great kristen hall bootlegs from 11/93 and a demo
tape she made sometime (sorry, no date) that i'd be happy to tape if people
are interested.  e-mail me if you want it.  if the interest is
overwhelming, i could tree it, too.

jill


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date:         wed, 4 dec 1996 12:30:14 -0800
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subject:      nigc: sorry! fwd: please help me out! (fwd)

sorry for the bandwidth, i hope you guys don't think i'm falling for a
scam or that this is spam.  i just thought that if i was this guy, i'd be
glad for someone to send the message as far away as possible.  since there
are people on the list all over the world, i thought some of you far away
from the us might just drop him a note to say where you are.

please please don't flame me, i'm really sorry.  nobody's asking for any
money, it's just in the interest of research.
(yes it's me the lone coyote in her fire retardant coveralls)

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>hi! my name is mike mccullough and i am a student at foothill college in los
>altos hills, california <url:  http://www.fhda.edu/foothill/>. i am doing a
>research paper on the internet, and how quickly e-mail can spread across the
>internet over just a few days. i would greatly appreciate if you would:
>1) please *forward it* to any people you know that have an e-mail address,
and
>
>2) please send an e-mail to me stating your
>      a. name
>      b. what part of the u.s., (or the world), you are writing me from and
>      c.  who you got this e-mail from, (for example: a friend, brother,
dad,
>etc.)
>
>please e-mail me no later than sunday, december 8th, 1996 as my research
needs
>to be complete by then.
>
>
>please direct e-mails to my address at:                maniac@estreet.com
>
>
>the success of my paper relies on responses from all of you, so i would
>greatly appreciate any responses!! thank you very much for your help!!!!
>
>sincerely
>:-) mike mccullough
>san jose, california
>e-mail:  maniac@estreet.com
>homepage:  http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/7976/
>
>

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x-to:         milstien <vfbv75c@prodigy.com>
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i think this is like writing a letter to santa claus.  ho ho ho.
tlc

on wed, 4 dec 1996, milstien wrote:

> dear amy and emily,
>         hello, my name is jill wolf and i must say that i love your work.
>  both of you i am sure have heard this befor but you two are definatly
> and inspiration to many peoples lives...mine most definatly included!!!!
> i cant wait to see you guys in concert one day and when that day
> comes...well hopefully that day will come!!!
>                                 i love you both!!
>                                         jill wolf
>

oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
                __-----__o
               /       o \
              |      woo  |             marianne l. barlow
              (     a     )             mlb1@axe.humboldt.edu
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               \__  | |__/        "i'll be the first to praise the sun,
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from:         sleepy woman <larissab@earthlink.net>
subject:      ig newsletter-a question

today in the mail i recieved my new indigo girls newsletter (yay!) which
included all of what sundara so kindly typed in so everyone could be happy.
i have 2 questions, actually...in the photo spread in the newsletter there is
aphoto of amy, emily, dar williams and joan baez at a rehersal for
something called "bread and roses" in *san francisco* and i really want to
know what this is/was as it is most of my fave babes in my fave (and home)
town!!! so, if anyone knows, please help!!! also, does anyone know the deal
with this new website? it is not working for me....


thanks for all the help dear ones,


larissa
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up from a nightmare that i could not stand to see, you were a-wandering out on
the hills of iowa, and you were not thinking of me..."
-dar williams

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date:         wed, 4 dec 1996 12:48:02 -0800
reply-to:     marianne barlow <mlb1@axe.humboldt.edu>
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from:         marianne barlow <mlb1@axe.humboldt.edu>
subject:      re: summer tour thought...
x-to:         "amy e. hannon" <litlbits@ix.netcom.com>
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yeah, yeah, yeah!  let's all get together and tour with the girls!  count
me in!  everybody come on out to california!

oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
                __-----__o
               /       o \
              |      woo  |             marianne l. barlow
              (     a     )             mlb1@axe.humboldt.edu
              |     |\    |
               \__  | |__/        "i'll be the first to praise the sun,
                  ~~|  >           the first the praise the moon,
                   .===.           the first to hold the lone coyote,
                   |\ /|           the last to set it free."
                   | ' |   |\            --indigo girls
                  _|    \_/  |
                 (____)_____/
oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

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subject:      zen and the art of ageism

howdy all....
    i must admit at the start....i have *not* read everything that has been
posted about this issue, but here is my .02.
    yesterday in the mail i received a note from rusell c. et al describing
the upcoming year's events. i was excited about the new album...and the
tours. but what made me thrilled most of all was the focus on high school
students in the fall. as a junior in high school i was quite taked aback, and
very thrilled. finally somebody recognizes the under18 crowd. countless times
i have wanted to go to shows only to be rejected by the label of being 18. i
could ramble about age being arbitrary and that many 15 year olds should vote
over some 30 year olds, but that isn't the point. the point is that (in my
opinion) amy and emily are living up to their promise of diversity. they know
that not all of their fan base has the ability to see some of their shows.
this is why there exsists a college tour, a album tour etc. frankly, i
commend them for their efforts, and i was going to write them a note saying
that. and looking at the comments on the list, i am even more inclined to do
so now.
   finally....just one more thing about age. be careful when you assume...age
included. i often am mistaken for a college kid, even though im only 16 (ask
the newport guys....:). my point is that you never know someone's actions by
any factor, even age. i went to my first concert at age 9....rolling stones.
i was doused in beer by a drunken 20something in front of me.....who is the
more mature one now??? lighten up on the 12 year olds, and make friends with
high schooler, they could be cooler than you think.
kate
(all of you who said stuff along these lines...this is not an opportunity to
be defensive...i am merely adding to y'all's points:)

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date:         wed, 4 dec 1996 16:33:43 -0500
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subject:      newsletter

how does one get on the mailing list for the ig newletter?  thanks for any
information
anybody can provide.

:-)

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date:         wed, 4 dec 1996 16:17:41 est
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from:         "susan b. marine" <susan.b.marine@dartmouth.edu>
subject:      sense of humor (the girls)

okay...i swear to gawwwwwd this is my last post for at least the next 12 hours.
i mean, i'm a grown-up, i have a job for chrissie's sake! i am a sexual assault
counselor! but you'd never know it by the fact that i post to this listserv 12
times daily! :)

anyhoo, nuff bout me

dragondude extraordinaire dwayne said (quoting the newsletter) that he likes
amy's sense of humor. me too (but wait there's more).  em is so fnarkin cute
when she is being inadvertently funny. a recent example is on the "world cafe"
boot when annoying-johnny-disc-jockey says "did you guys go to the olympics at
all" and em says in the cutest little-girl voice ever

"i did! i saw some things!"

she rawks. i grin from ear to ear (sounds painful, huh?) when i hear that.
pure buttah (biscuits). other funnies that amy and em have done/said that we
can all warm our hearts about?

k that's all. bye bye

susan

"the price is wrong, bitch"
                -adam sandler to bob barker
                                "happy gilmore"

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subject:      re: sense of humor (the girls)
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hey y'all, i've always liked the part on the lisner aud boot wheh someone
shouts out a request for happy birthday.  em asks if someone's having a
birthday out there, and may says "oh, i thought she said happy earth day."
there's a funnie (well, i think it's a funnie =) and then em asks for the
name, and the girl screams out jane! and em says "hey, that's my mom's
name...she's the best...ok"  for some reason, i think em sounds so very
very cute here.  and then their version of happy birthday, that's a
funnie too.  i know that right now, if you can't picture what i'm
picturing, it's hard to imagine how this is all funny to me.  but, i hope
y'all know what i'm talkin about...

v

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
        and i ask you for some relief
        and it's one true route that you bring to me
        i said it's 3 am, and it's good company
        hey kind friend, help me forget where i've been
        hey kind friend, help me remember who i am

                                        -- amy ray
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

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date:         wed, 4 dec 1996 16:54:22 -0600
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subject:      re: age nigc at all!

any excuse to gloat! yesterday was my 22nd birthday, and there was much
rejoycing....

tony
....................
tony at mendina                   "the only thing to prevent
mendina@utdallas.edu              what's past is to put a stop
dallas, texas usa                 to it before it happens."
972-907-1057                        --sir boyle roche

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date:         wed, 4 dec 1996 18:28:13 est
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from:         "christopher m. becker" <cmbecker@space.mit.edu>
subject:      video tape tree (even aquarius)

all of you whom are not aquarians born on an even day, hit 'd' now....

ok.

at the moment i've been contacted by one of you for a copy of the
video and i suspect that there at a number of you out there that
may be procrastinating a bit.

please don't.  by christmas, my life will get very confusing very
fast.  i will be spending almost all of january at the observatory in
arizona and i won't be able to do any dubbing.  then i have to write
my phd thesis by early may, limiting dubbing options.

in short, if you get me your tape now -- i'll do my absolute best to
get it back to you by christmas, and usually within 2 days. so why
delay?  email me and you'll get more details....

                                take care,

                                    chris

p.s. branches lisa (gemini-even), yen (scorpio-even), and hugh
        (sagittarius-even) you should be receiving copies by the end
        of the week.

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subject:      last nigc--i hope

sorry to post again to all of you without any things concerning a and e:(

but...i was wondering if there is anyone out there who lives in salt lake
city, ut?...

please, please email me if you live there!--thanks!

tucker


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because you'd cry your eyes out
if you didn't
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from:         simply v <vjt8118@is4.nyu.edu>
subject:      re: sense of humor (the girls)
in-reply-to:  <pine.osf.3.95.961204173701.28994a-100000@is4.nyu.edu>

on wed, 4 dec 1996, simply v wrote:

> and may says "oh, i thought she said happy earth day."  there's a funnie
>(well, i think it's a funnie =)

whoops!  i meant amy says "oh, i thought...."  now it makes a little more
sense =)

v

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
        and i ask you for some relief
        and it's one true route that you bring to me
        i said it's 3 am, and it's good company
        hey kind friend, help me forget where i've been
        hey kind friend, help me remember who i am

                                        -- amy ray
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

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date:         wed, 4 dec 1996 17:38:03 -0700
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subject:      re: hey whats goin on?
x-to:         milstien <vfbv75c@prodigy.com>
in-reply-to:  <32a5bc25.62bc@prodigy.com>

i'm sorry but i just love little random posts like these. don't you
really wish amy and emily were out there reading our posts in cyber-space.
ben

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subject:      fwd: radar rose shows!
x-to:         atlartists@monsterbit.com, jkalnits@vt.edu,
              harry robertshaw <harobert@vt.edu>

hey all- got this from the radar rose e-vine, thought you might be interested.

>greetings rosehips great and small:
>
>here are a few upcoming shows from the land of radar rose.  hope you can make
>one or all of them!
>
>friday, december 6
>confeddy's, roanoke city market
>(540) 343-9746
>phil norman opens the show with some rockin'
>acoustic numbers!  don't miss it!
>
>friday, december 13
>aids benefit concert
>ghost of hollywood, roanoke, va
>(540) 982-8979
>chris shepard's band "electric bliss", radar rose and
>our friends "red weather"!  a groove friendly evening.
>also on dec.14 the concert continues with several roanoke
>alternative bands.  a worthy cause friends!!!!
>
>saturday, december 21
>gabby's, bluefield, wv
>
>saturday, december 28
>the coffee pot, roanoke, va
>
>january 16 the first avenue club, hickory, nc
>jan. 17:  (t) showcase, north carolina
>jan. 18:  the loft, columbus, ga
>jan. 24:  confeddy's, roanoke, va
>jan. 25:  gabby's bluefield, wv
>feb. 13:  moondance, richmond, va
>feb. 21:  confeddy's, roanoke, va
>march 15:  huntington, wv
>mar. 21:  confeddy's roanoke, va
>mar. 22:  south main cafe, blacksburg, va
>mar. 27:  moondance, richmond, va
>april 12-13:  dogwood festival, atlanta, ga
>apri. 18-19 (t) florabama club
>april 25 riverfest 8-9pm, columbus, ga
>april 26 the loft, columbus, ga
>may 17:  south main cafe, blacksburg, va
>june 14:  augusta, ga community center
>
>that's all for now.  as of december 3 we have nearly 1,400 hits on our
>website.  don't forget to turn all of your friends on to it!
>http://www.mindspring.com/~water/rose.html
>
>new radar rose merchandise!!!!
>lyric book containing all the lyrics from "dog years" and "one dozen live
>roses" as well as several unrecorded songs.
>
>radar rose refrigerator magnets!  yes, your favorite band member can greet
>you each morning as you fix breakfast.
>
>long sleeve tshirts in blue, green and au naturale. $20
>all this stuff makes great stocking stuffers!!!!
>
>peace & joy my friends!
>have a wonderful and blessed christmas season!
>
>jane, sonny, mike & anastasia
>
>
            "your silence will not protect you."-audre lorde

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                 angry women are responding to events

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              the womyn united shall never be divided"
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date:         wed, 4 dec 1996 20:17:59 -0500
reply-to:     "mr. sven fjorbhergher" <pnorman@eclair.roanoke.edu>
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from:         "mr. sven fjorbhergher" <pnorman@eclair.roanoke.edu>
subject:      tape (nigc)

howdy all...

        today was the release of my first cassette...

        some of you are old friends, and some of you may have
        listened to me cover the igs on the first 3 indicated tapes

        in any case, i thought i'd see if any of y'all would like a copy
        12 original tunes for $5... only 42 cents a song...
        (please include a couple a' bucks for shipping) --checks
        cheerfully accepted...

        phil norman
        roanoke college
        campus box 1117
        salem, va   24153

        thanks y'all.. take care...
        & as brooke posted, i'll be opeing up for radar rose this friday...
        would love to see some of y'all there...  phil
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                                                     he danced his did"
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date:         wed, 4 dec 1996 17:27:21 -0800
reply-to:     candice gohn <cgohn@olympus.net>
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from:         candice gohn <cgohn@olympus.net>
subject:      re: question...

<snip>
> my question concerns ig on the radio and music videos.  why is it emily
> gets more popularity in this medium?  closer to fine, galileo, hand me
> downs, least complicated, power of two.  the only amy song (and ejs)
> that i've heard on the radio is tried to be true.

ummm...am i totally out of line here or is hand me downs an amy song?

also, btw, if any of ya'll are interested about getting more extensive information about the honor the earth program, russ just sent me a bundle of new brochures, which i'd be happy share with anyone who'd like to further their knowledge about the organization & what they're fighting for....
just let me know.

...wheels in motion...
greta

"i am so middle class i am so middle class i am so middle class."  -a. ray

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date:         wed, 4 dec 1996 20:26:49 -0500
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from:         carl <cjmeyer@npcc.net>
subject:      re: age

>>besides, to me it would be far
>> worse to hear a 32, 42, 52, whatever-year-old sing along mindlessly
>> or with a false sense of superiority in having "figured out" the song"
> well!!!!! this 43 yr seems to enjoy mindlessly singing along to the
> girls..its taken me a good portion of my 43 years to figure out what they
> are really talking about..when i was 19 i thought i knew all the
> answers..had all the dreams and knew exactly what i was gonna
> do..then..suprise suprise..life came along and changed all that..how i
> wish i was still 19 and didn't know what i do know now...

i'm sorry

peace

(ar|

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from:         sundara <smurphy@ups.edu>
subject:      re: age

alright, everything i thought about this age thing has pretty much been
said,  but i thought this was a nice opportunity to gush about my cute
little ten year old brother.  he loves the indigo girls.  can i just tell
you how great he is  (i'm grinning uncontrollably here)  his favorite song
is bury my heart.... he gets all choked up about what is and has been done
to native americans.  he has the biggest heart of anyone i've ever known
and i just love him to pieces.  for x-mas and b-day, i always make him
tapes of my bootlegs, which he loves.  anyway,  no point to my story,
nothing to really contribute except little kids are awesome, and i think
everyone can learn something from them.  and my little brother would love
and ig concert, and you all would probably love to have him there cause
he's just the sweetest cutest thing.  alright.  i'll stop :)

peace, love, and beer,

        sundara<-- who has been miserable cause her email has been doing weird
                things, and hasn't been able to reply to people very well

"my dreams came in like needy children
tugging at my sleeve,
i said i have no way of feeding you, so leave"

                -emily

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from:         sundara <smurphy@ups.edu>
subject:      pnw holiday list party

hey everyone,

alright, i'm kinda having email problems,  so that's why i haven't gotten
back to most of you, sorry there isn't much i can do about it, so please be
patient, but, here's the scoop:

kathy miller has generously offered to let us meet at her house.  they have
just moved and this will be the first party in the new house.  yippee!!
don't we feel special :)???  so that's where it will be.  she lives in
seattle. (and thank you lisa for offering :)!!)

most of you all don't have a problem with the 14th, but a couple people do.
so, i figure we can do this democratically.  everyone who is interested in
going, please email me in the next two days or so (this doesn't mean you
can't come if you don't, you just won't be involved in deciding what day
the party is)  please tell me if you would rather have the get-together on
the 14th or the 15th.  and please tell me what time you would like the
general beginning of this party to be.  (and kathy, if you have a problem
with the 15th, please email me, i forgot to ask you, sorry)  if you
honestly don't have a preference, then you can tell me that too.  or don't.
:)  whatever.  anyway,  we will take it from there.  yay for us cool
northwesterners :)

peace, love, and beer,

        sundara<-- who has been miserable cause her email has been doing weird
                things, and hasn't been able to reply to people very well

"my dreams came in like needy children
tugging at my sleeve,
i said i have no way of feeding you, so leave"

                -emily

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date:         wed, 4 dec 1996 22:39:19 -0500
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from:         sundara <smurphy@ups.edu>
subject:      re: sense of humor (the girls)

oh! oh!!  sundara jumps up and down... i know!!  at bumbershoot this year,
amy told us about the dulcimer she got emily for her b-day, that it was
sort of a guilt gift..

amy  "here, you have to learn to play this"

emily "i said, thank you"  <-- in the cutest voice, sooo funny!!

then, there's more!!  then emily had problems tuning it, and amy said "it's
a cheap one"  and then emily said "it's got satan in it"

hee hee, i love this.  in fact, i loved it so much, i put it on my mapped
tape, so everyone who is getting a copy can hear this.  hee

peace, love, and beer,

        sundara<-- who is now more post-happy than susan

"my dreams came in like needy children
tugging at my sleeve,
i said i have no way of feeding you, so leave"

                -emily

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subject:      soon nigc

to all who i owe blanks or copys, they will be coming out soon, right now
im in a slight cash flow problem, say none, so have no fear, they will be
coming out soon, sorry to waste the bandwidth=-)

nick

where am i?

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from:         sundara <smurphy@ups.edu>
subject:      more newsletter stuff

hey, just wanted to thank everyone who thanked me for posting the
newsletter to the list,  you are so welcome, anything for you all!! :)  and
cause my email is screwy and i'm having a hard time sending stuff,  to all
of you who asked,  i have no idea how i got on the mailing list, or why i
was lucky and got a newsletter and some people didn't  (i guess amy and
emily like me better than you...hee, just kidding!!!)  i vaguely remember
sometime this summer i was on the web and i think i sent my snail mail.  i
didn't even think i was on the list, so the newsletter came as a total
surprise.  and i forgot to post the mailing address that came with it
(cause i sent it to my mom along with the merchandise list for possible
christmas presents)  but i think it is the same one that is on the cd
liners under fan club info.

peace, love, and beer,

        sundara<-- who is now more post-happy than susan

"my dreams came in like needy children
tugging at my sleeve,
i said i have no way of feeding you, so leave"

                -emily

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date:         wed, 4 dec 1996 22:46:22 est
reply-to:     kirsten chevalier <kirsten@spike.wellesley.edu>
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from:         kirsten chevalier <kirsten@spike.wellesley.edu>
subject:      re: hey whats goin on?
in-reply-to:  <pine.osf.3.95.961204123545.24573d-100000@axe.humboldt.edu>; from
              "marianne barlow" at dec 4, 96 12:36 pm

>
> > dear amy and emily,
> >         hello, my name is jill wolf and i must say that i love your work.
> >  both of you i am sure have heard this befor but you two are definatly
> > and inspiration to many peoples lives...mine most definatly included!!!!
> > i cant wait to see you guys in concert one day and when that day
> > comes...well hopefully that day will come!!!
> >                                 i love you both!!
> >                                         jill wolf
greg^h^h^h^hamy, are you listening?
kirsten

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reply-to:     corinne <corinne@utah-inter.net>
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from:         corinne <corinne@utah-inter.net>
subject:      ig senses of humor

you know what i love even more about their senses of humor, is their
laughs.  especially emily's.  she has the cutest laugh.  my favorite place
you can hear it is on the urban nirvana bootleg where they are previewing
songs from swamp ophelia.  and right before the wood song, emily laughs so
very adorably.  so everyone drag out that boot and listen to it. it's cuter...

love
corinne
and if you are named christine talbot, will you write to me now, freak show?

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reply-to:     andi <ablipman@sas.upenn.edu>
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subject:      trivia results

the question was:

what are a&e's favorite ben & jerry's ice cream flavors?

the answer is found in a 1995 interview with kirsti reeve which is on the
lifeblood website.  in their own words,

<<k: ok.. and finally.. your favourite ben and jerry's ice cream
flavour.

e: oooooohhh that cookie dough stuff! i don't even like ice
cream. but i like that.

a: i like the chocolate fudge brownie yogurt flavour. that is
good. i like that as much as any of their ice creams.

k: mmmm..>>

i think they talk about ice cream on shades too, but i haven't listened to
it recently to check.

the real winners are ali <alison_kenney@brown.edu> and elise
<emf@lightlink.com>.  half credit goes to susan <oh.susanna@dartmouth.edu>.
the prizes for the most creative answers go to gwen <gkeyt@paul.spu.edu>,
who said, "easy...  indigo swirls! :)" and <galileo000@aol.com>, who said,
"ice cream flavors, eh?  emily's would have to be strawberry . amy's-beans
& rice."  that one cracked me up! :)  prizes for effort go to jen
<jlucero@monmouth.com> who took too much cold medicine, & veronica
<vjt8118@is4.nyu.edu> who thought she knew random stuff.  special prizes go
to rebekah <rss163@psu.edu>, the ig listee who really isn't on the list, &
my bf, who gets mad if i don't mention her, but seems to be neglecting me
lately.  congratulations everyone!  i think that's all...thanks for
playing! :)

andi

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               homepage: http://www.sas.upenn.edu/~ablipman

                    "cause i know the biggest crime
                    is just to throw up your hands
                   say this has nothing to do with me
              i just want to live as comfortably as i can
                   you got to look outside your eyes
                  you got to think outside your brain
                   you got to walk outside your life
                  to where the neighborhood changes"-ad
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subject:      i forgot to mention...

corinne <corinne@utah-inter.net> wins the prize for having a lot in common
w/ ms. saliers...they both hate ice cream, but they like that cookie dough
ice
cream.  wow...what a coincidence! ;)

andi

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                    "cause i know the biggest crime
                    is just to throw up your hands
                   say this has nothing to do with me
              i just want to live as comfortably as i can
                   you got to look outside your eyes
                  you got to think outside your brain
                   you got to walk outside your life
                  to where the neighborhood changes"-ad
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from:         catherine diederich <cath@efn.org>
subject:      awesome amy photo!

hi everybody!
i believe that i got one of the best birthday gifts ever...a real live 8
x 10 of amy at the "dead" show in eugene aug. 21/22(?) 1993.
my girlfriend busted her butt tracking down this woman she had some
obscure ig conversation with. the woman had some photos she had taken at
the dead show.  (oh yeah, we live in eugene) blah blah it's mine!!!
so the photo is excellent!   there is a slight fuzz to it, which i like
because i really don't need to see amy's pores.  she has a grateful dead
shirt on, blue lens glasses, jeans, her hair is short, her arms are
extended over her head, hands clasped. she's singin' her heart out!
(wish i could scan it for you all) ahh she is so great!
i'm thrilled, and can't stop looking at it.  thanks for listening, and
one other thing...i love my g.f.!!!

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subject:      new email (nigc)

hey everyone. well we just moved to to seattle  yippeee! so i haven't been
posting much, not that i posted much before  haha.  just wanted ya'll to
know that   grnrgrrl@geocities.com  is my new email address.  hope to see
all you pnw listees at the get together.

jeni  was saulinoj@olywa.net

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subject:      re: nigc- kristen hall
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hi jill,

i'd love to get a hold of some kristen boots! help!

thanks,
amy

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subject:      re: question...

sorry to all for the mistake on my post!  duh...
i ment to say hammer and a nail not hand me downs!!!

sorry, sorry, sorry <i'm groveling>
amy

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subject:      midnight train...

mttg is playing right now--anyone know where i could get guitar chords for that?

i hope i can be back on the list in the next week or two.  lot has
happened--gonna be a graduation marshal saturday, was tapped into omicron
delta kappa tuesday, micro lab practical is over and finally let my heart
bleed all over my ta for that class...yeah, life is good.  still catching
up on my dubbing too.  i miss y'all!!!!

mary  :)

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in-reply-to:  <ecs9612040008a@utoronto.ca>

> i understand why loyal followers of the group from the beginning would
> be pissed off with "12 year-olds singing galileo", but how do you know
> if they understand it or not?  besides, it's one thing for a

no i'm sure i've said this before and i'm gonna have to say this again.
the real joy of the music i listen to ( ig, dar, rem and a bit of trashy
stuff aswell and a lot lot more  ) is that it really does make me see things
in a different light. this helps to change my attitude to certain things
and make me, i beleive a better person.

ok so when i first heard galileo and other tunes, 3 hits, this train (
though that was a bit obvoius ) i first thought what a great tune and
then i managed to learn the story and facts behind them ...

others such as fugitive, dead mans hill and blood and fire are a&e
writing from their collective hearts about their lives.

what i'm trying to say is that the music develops from music into an
introduction to the fact behind it and because ig are so far removed from
my existance northen england, born bread and now loving in the south i
really wanna listen to what they have to say.

to round this of then ... on a first ig listne the tune grabs ya --- then
after time you question what the song is about, we as a list are able to
bash our heads together and either give our best opions and ideas or to
give over the fact. surly if the 12 year olds are listening to the ig
then this can be no bad thing after all we were all once 12 years olds to
quote " feeling funny and free ". let them sing a long because before
long they are gonna question why ....

jules

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subject:      love's recovery

well, ya'll here is an update from my angst ridden post from a few weeks back.

i told the guy who i love that i loved him.  i just came right out and said
it..."i like you.  i like you a lot.  actually, i would go as far as saying
that i probably love you."

"during the time of which i speak, it was hard to turn the other cheek, to
the blows of insecurity..feeding the cancer of my intellect

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subject:      my server is screwed up!

ya'll got half a post of mine tht was sent by my serverbdddddenam####45 by
acc&&&ent.  my computer is screwy....

i^l@ repost later......


love-
karrie
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subject:      nigc: i'm casting the bait...

hello fellow ig listers!

sorry to waste bandwidth, but i just couldn't sit on this one.  one of our
fellow listers, susan marine, has promised she wouldn't post to the list
today after having posted so many times yesterday.  i'll believe it when i
don't see it.

so, what new thread can we talk about today in an effort to entice her to
break her promise and post to the list?  does she have the will power?  i
think not...let's see...how about "if you were stranded on a desert island
with the ig of your choice, what song would you want her to sing to you?"

or how about "i think the ig and ani have exactly the same songwriting
style...what do you think?"   {will that make her crazy enough to break the
silence?....we'll see...}

anyone else have any thread ideas you think susan won't be able to keep
quiet about?   ah, hahahahaha (manical laughter....)

have a nice day!  (you too susan.....)

joni  :o)

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subject:      you know yer an obsessed ig fan when

to revive an old thread, you know yer an obsessed ig fan when, during a
discussion on your school's bbs about why the campus computer gurus support
vax/vms rather than unix, someone explains that (quote) "vax/vms, i guess, is
the least complicated system" (unquote) and you cannot restrain yourself from
pointing out that the hardest to learn is the least complicated.

the above is a true story.
kirsten

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subject:      re: nigc: i'm casting the bait...

at 10:17 am 12/5/96 -0400, joni wrote:
a hilarious post challenging us to think up diabolical ways in which to
entice our susan to break her oath to not post today:-).... i like it:-)
umm... so i toss out my suggestion...
what about a thread on if you were to say, through some wild + weird
contest, win a "dinner date" with one of the girls at a place of your
choice. which ig would you choose as a dining partner, and what place would
you choose so as to suit her particular tastes in culinary delights???
ummm... and about that there desert island, joni??? i'd choose emily, and
have her sing ghost... *then* i'd whip out my handy dandy binford power saw,
buck up some drift wood ( dead trees, you know, so as not to offend *anyone*
) and slap together a raft with which to ford my way to the next island (
and *not* miss the point ) where amy would be reclining under a palm tree (
hey... it's *my* daydream ) and i'd have *her* sing land of kaanan... ( "oh
oh oh, sweetheart"...)lol
peace all... kim ( tarnished goddess extroidinaire )
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
"don't tell me i'm burning the candle
at both ends... tell me where to get
more wax!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
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<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>

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subject:      meda (nigc) a good magazine !

hello sweetie peeties !
i was flying around some web sites the other night and stumbled
upon the dead jackie susane quarterly
[ http://www.carroll.com/franny/ ] for those of you with a love for
camp and sarcasm (who doesn't love those things ;)

which lead me to a pretty good music magazine devoted to
women in music !!! it's called rockrgrl and it speaks
to women in various musical genres. since we have recently
had some discussion on the dearth of good  music mags
i thought i'd pass the url along...there are some articles on line
as well as a good listing (with selected online articles) of back issues
...none on ig...but i could definately see them covered there
at some point !
the url is :
                 http://www.indieweb.com/rockrgrl/index.html

check it out ! :)
love !
binky (happy to not be ragging about something :)
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subject:      nigc: (fwd) look out! ;)

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subject:      re: radio & media (sigc -- kind of long)

gwendigo wrote:
>> well, sorta.  ig covered "american tune" which is from the paul simon
>> solo era, but also played by s&g during the concert in the [central]
>> park (1981 wasn't it?).  anyway, i always think of the concert in the
>> park version as the "definitive version" -- the song was made for the
>> harmonies of both s&g and loses something without them.
>
>hate to nitpick, but i'm supposta during finals...
>american tune is actually an art garfunkle tune.

well i think you best keep studying..."american tune" was indeed written by
paul simon. i believe it first appeared on his solo album _there goes
rhymin' simon_.

besides, if art did write it, ferron's "independence day" would also be
wrong. in it she sings, "there's a paul simon song that just tears me
apart...about the statue of liberty and a hole in a heart." i can't see her
messin' that line up.

deb

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from:         kirsten chevalier <kirsten@spike.wellesley.edu>
subject:      iwtoc

on the no curfews compilation, the source of "fugitive" is listed as "iwtoc".
what does this mean/stand for? please help me if you know; i'm making a boot
mix for a friend and i want everything to be just so.

p.s. thanks, kim! :-)
kirsten

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subject:      re: nigc: i'm casting the bait...

on thu, 05 dec 1996 10:17:30 -0400, joan m. cyr wrote:

>or how about "i think the ig and ani have exactly the same songwriting
>style...what do you think?"   {will that make her crazy enough to break the
>silence?....we'll see...}

oooh, actually, i disagree with this.  they both tend to tell stories in a
way, but to a certain extent ani's are more linear and the ig are more
circular.  you know?  i take that back, emily's tend to be more circular
whereas amy's tend to be closer to ani's style, but not quite the same.

a friend and i have had this discussion several times and she has a theory
about it (which i can't totally remember right now), but anyway, susan are
you into this yet?

lisa

lisa nordeen
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university of minnesota, morris
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  your front door.  saying let's not ask what next, or how or why,
  i'm leaving in the morning so let's not be shy."
-ani difranco

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subject:      re: nigc: i'm casting the bait...

on thu, 5 dec 1996, joan wrote:

> sorry to waste bandwidth, but i just couldn't sit on this one.  one of our
> fellow listers, susan marine, has promised she wouldn't post to the list
> today after having posted so many times yesterday.  i'll believe it when i
> don't see it.
>
> so, what new thread can we talk about today in an effort to entice her to
> break her promise and post to the list?

hmm...if amy or emily were pregnant, what do you think they should
name the child (both boy names and girl names)?  ;)

anna

"how is it that music can, without words, evoke our
laughter, our tears, our highest aspiration?"  -jane swan

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date:         thu, 5 dec 1996 11:37:46 -0400
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from:         "joan m. cyr" <jcyr@mit.edu>
subject:      are you out there susan?

ah, hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
hahahahahahahahahahaha!  (manical laughter...) i like the pregnant thread,
anna!  good one!

oh susan?  where are you?  c'mon...we know you want to.....

joni  :o)

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from:         joanne <indigo@kirk.anderson.edu>
subject:      ig mailing list

        i am confused (more than usual).  i went to the ig site
(http://www.indigogirls.com) that i saw in the newsletter that sundara so
graciously typed.  it said that the site was moved and my computer couldn't
connect to the new site (i'm not sure why).

is there an easier way to do this?  i used to be on the mailing list but i
haven't received anything in a while and i want to get back on.

that's all i ask!!! (sorry, exams and all are getting to me)

j. :)

"indigo girls? huh? is that, like, a book?"
                 -- stupid guy who asked me where i get such "weird" quotes

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from:         indigo jo <mts5@aber.ac.uk>
subject:      re: radio & media (sigc -- kind of long)
x-to:         deb reiser <debbie.reiser@mei.com>
in-reply-to:  <v01540b00aecca05a8805@[151.186.5.88]>

on thu, 5 dec 1996, deb reiser wrote:

> gwendigo wrote:
> >> well, sorta.  ig covered "american tune" which is from the paul simon
> >> solo era, but also played by s&g during the concert in the [central]
> >> park (1981 wasn't it?).  anyway, i always think of the concert in the
> >> park version as the "definitive version" -- the song was made for the
> >> harmonies of both s&g and loses something without them.
> >
> >hate to nitpick, but i'm supposta during finals...
> >american tune is actually an art garfunkle tune.
>
> well i think you best keep studying..."american tune" was indeed written by
> paul simon. i believe it first appeared on his solo album _there goes
> rhymin' simon_.
>
> besides, if art did write it, ferron's "independence day" would also be
> wrong. in it she sings, "there's a paul simon song that just tears me
> apart...about the statue of liberty and a hole in a heart." i can't see her
> messin' that line up.

i was under the impression that art garfunkel was not a songwriter, only a
singer.   nearly all of s&g's songs were written by paul simon, and the
one song on which art is co-credited, paul simon is the other songwriter.
as for garfunkel's solo material, most of that is written by other people,
including paul simon.

mat

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subject:      need info for web page!

hi there everyone.   could anyone supply me information as to the
following:

(1) who has jane scarpantoni worked with?   i know she played on rem's
"green", kristin hersh's "hips and makers" and throwing muses'
"university".   what other projects has she worked on (including other
rem/kh/tm works)?

(2) who are k's choice?   what have they put out and, more to the point,
what have they done with ig?

(3) anyone else the igs have worked with apart from:

caroline aiken, joan baez, michelle malone / band de soleil, big fish
ensemble, luka bloom, budgie, mary-chapin carpenter, vic chesnutt, gail
ann dorsey, bob dylan, ejs and related bands, ferron, nanci griffith,
james hall, peter holsapple, hothouse flowers, john jennings, john keane,
sara lee, scott litt, donal lunny, gerard mchugh, edgar meyer, rem,
scarlet rivera, danny thompson, neil young.   (i already have bits about
these artists on indigo index - but if you see anything i've left out,
don't hesitate to drop me a line.)

(4) who has opened for ig in recent years, (apart from danielle howle and
martin stephenson?)

mat

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subject:      which leeds in particular?

hate to ask a silly question but ...

is the leeds emily refers to her song, the one in england?

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subject:      age, selling out, and the possible over-popularity of the girls

hey y'all,

this is my first post -- i've been hanging in the shadows a while -- so be
kind if i screw up.  i'm not only new to the list, but i'm also sort of new
to the whole indigo girls thing, so bare with me.  the thing about age has
gotten me interested because, well, i was a 12 year-old singing mindlessly
along to power of two, my first real exposer to the girls.  some one got me
the boys on the side soundtrack and i reluctantly listened to it in place of
my pearl jam one day.  so i'm only fourteen now.  i still can apreciate the
music.  it wasn't until this summer that their music really started to mean
something to me, and that's when i became hooked.  many lines i identify with
enormously, many i can relate to my life, and many i understand.  not that i
really know what true love is, but many of emily's songs about love really
hit home concerning close friends who have gone off and left me drowning in
their wake.  almost all of her songs hit a strong emotional chord in me.
while amy's songs don't tend to put the same knot in my stomach (sp?), i can
relate many of her lyrics to my life now, and my life in the future.  the
aspects of their music that i as a 14-yearold can't totaly put into focus or
relate to help me to understand things that i will feel in the years to come,
and they help me to understand where many of my older friends who are in
their 20's are coming from.

anyhow (this is probably too long and opinionated to be a good intro. post,
but oh well.), on them possibly becoming too popular . . . i don't think it
will happen.  i think someone mentioned green day as an example (if they
didn't, well then i just did).  green day has simple, sort of mindless,
lyrics and catchy tunes you can play as good background music.  while the ig
definately have good tunes, they've also got slightly (<---sarcasm) deeper,
more poetic, and more thoughtful lyrics than gd.  imho it takes a certain
level of intelligence, a more definate sense of "ethics" (whatever), and a
certain kind of mindset to appreciate the what a&e are doing, and it's easier
to listen to gd even if you don't "appreciate" them than to listen to ig and
not "appreciate" them.  final thing: i would rather have a bunch of 12
year-olds sitting around trying to emulate amy or emily than a bunch of 12
year-olds trying to be just like courtney love, kurt cobain, or snoop
doggy-dog.

alright, i'm done.  what began my two cents ended up four, but there you go.


-elizabeth

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"this world falls on me with hopes of immortality.  everywhere i turn all the
beauty just keeps shaking me."  - amy

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date:         thu, 5 dec 1996 14:43:38 -0800
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from:         pat chaney <pooh40@mc.net>
organization: pooh inc
subject:      nigc mieenapolians!!

hey you minneapolians   ( could be a great new ice cream flavor)thanks so
much for all the help..
now..can you tell me what else i should see besides princes studio and
mary tyler moores house??????????

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from:         dawn kivisto <beastmom@gnn.com>
subject:      rumors

just out of sheer curiosity, i want to know if anyone out there
knows whether or not the rumors that amy and emily are a couple are
true.  several people have told me that they are, and have been
together for several years, others tell me that the rumor is
nothing but a load of pandering tripe.  this torture must end!!!

if anyone knows the answer, please, for the love of god, tell me!
i can take this no longer!

dawn

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organization: suny at stony brook
subject:      welcome, elizabeth

well, this post is to welcome elizabeth, a new member who posted
yesterday on the most recent debate about age, the media, and ig

i'm still a newbie of sorts so i don't know if i'm allowed to welcome
people but her post made me smile :)

although i posted about my fear of the media and what it would do to
ig i didn't say anything about the age of listeners of ig
i'd like to say i think it's great that there are younger people out
there who are listening to ig and really loving their music
i wish i had been about 12 when i started listening to ig - i think
it would have helped me through adolescence and high school much more
than ministry, nin, and sonic youth did
i also think it's great that ig are planning a concert for high
school kids - i hope there's a big turnout

i think it's so cool that ig listeners don't really have a set age
i know that i will be listening to them for the rest of my life!

kim

"everybody loves a hero
and they manage to create
the antithesis of everything
inside ourselves we hate"

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subject:      nigc: poem for susan

well... maybe this will make her talk.
this was *not* written by me... it was written by my dearest cynthia crecca
who deserves all the credit.   call it the...

"ode to susan marine"
oh joyous ye, the fine susan marine
a woman whose posts, today have not yet been seen.
we need your posts 'cos of them we are keen!
oh susan marine, where have you been (pronouced bean)?

we need your posts everyday
to keep our motely list from going astray
and for your deep insight on amy ray,
as well as nigc discussions that cause a fray.

we need you to teach us about women's rights
and to break up all those t-shirt fights!
your posts take us to new intellectual heights
in fact they "shine your life like a light"
corinne and sundara beg with all their might
that you post just once before the end of tonight!

so where are ye, ms. susan marine@ dartmouth.edu?
without your guidance there will be a coup (as in coup d' tat)
you leave us with sorrow in which we stew.
oh dear susan marine, where are you?


hehehhehahhahahhehehehhahh  i love you susie q!!!

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from:         janet <jrauscher@agnes.agnesscott.edu>
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subject:      nigc-kristen hall

fyi:
kristen hall will be at eddie's attic in decatur on 12/27.
janet

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subject:      re: age, selling out,
              and the possible over-popularity of the girls
x-to:         "elizabeth m. bolles" <wishmonstr@aol.com>
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on thu, 5 dec 1996, elizabeth m. bolles wrote:

<snip>
> not "appreciate" them.  final thing: i would rather have a bunch of 12
> year-olds sitting around trying to emulate amy or emily than a bunch of 12
> year-olds trying to be just like courtney love, kurt cobain, or snoop
> doggy-dog.

well i'd certainly rather have a bunch of 12-year-olds picking up a&e's
attitudes to women than snoop's (or indeed his attitude towards anyone
else who gets in his way).   as for kurt, does anyone really see him as a
role model anymore?   certainly most of the people i know like his music,
but don't really talk about *him* much ...

mat

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subject:      new releases for your holiday season list (igc..)

hot off the press from rdr:

for all you michelle malone fans out there, some good news.  her
"legendary" christmas cassette, "swinging christmas in the attic"
is now on cd.  there is also a freshset of copies of the "for you not
them" cd avaialble.  both are in stock and signed, and available
for $13.95 each (plus shipping..per order)

also in is matthew kahler's new release (no shawn mullins)
called "this here and that there".  perry reports this to be a
*very* good disc.  these are also signed, and copies of matthew's
first release, "my own medicine" are ready for new homes now.
they are $13.95 each.

and yes there is ig content!  volume 2 of the early recordings
series is expected in the shop very soon.  "levees that break in
my heart" features 19 tracks, the bulk of them being from the
tuesday's children/b-band era.  sound quality is fabulous and
these discs are not cd-r but on standard cd's and are $19.95
each.  pre-orders are being taken now.  a never before seen
color picture graces the cover, from that era. these are also
numbered copies.

for those of you lucky enough to be in atlanta for the now
legendary annual new year's eve event, rdr t shirts will be
available for the first time ever.  those who will not be
in town can call for ordering details.  there will be some
fabulous entertainment including:  matthew kahler, michelle
malone (solo), viva la diva, josh joplin, chris mcguire, lift,
erin musselwhite, shawn mullins....it's a free show with
surprise guests and unannounced performances beginning at 1 pm
on dec 31, 1996.

for more info and ordering, call them at 1-800-636-6166,
or e-mail them at rainy@rainy.com

                          _________
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pegasus@crl.com            \     /      when you're alone
monk@world.std.com          \   /
the original photo monk      \ /                --patty larkin

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from:         indigo jo <mts5@aber.ac.uk>
subject:      re: new releases for your holiday season list (igc..)
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on thu, 5 dec 1996, amy j. putnam wrote:

> and yes there is ig content!  volume 2 of the early recordings
> series is expected in the shop very soon.  "levees that break in
> my heart" features 19 tracks, the bulk of them being from the
> tuesday's children/b-band era.  sound quality is fabulous and
> these discs are not cd-r but on standard cd's and are $19.95
> each.  pre-orders are being taken now.  a never before seen
> color picture graces the cover, from that era. these are also
> numbered copies.

just out of interest who is actually putting these records out?   are they
boots or have amy and emily actually arranged this?   i take it this is
the *very* early stuff when they were doing covers and songs like "if you
live like that" (and back together again ...).   do they plan to
re-release some of their *later* pre-epic stuff, like the 1986 ep with
"lifeblood" on it?   i would really like to get hold of that particular
song.   (if anyone has the tab, please send it my way!)

mat

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from:         david perham <dperham@bbn.com>
organization: bolt baranek & newman
subject:      re: art gurfunkel (nigc)

my question brought to mind by this "who wrote 'american tune'
controversy is:

did art garfunkel ever actually write a song (any song) in his
life?  i doubt it...

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subject:      obsessed fan thread returns

kirsten, grrl of obsessiveness and nerdness in one post... (whoo hooo bud!!
go for it!!!) posted:
>someone explains that (quote) "vax/vms, i guess, is
>the least complicated system" (unquote) and you cannot restrain yourself
>from pointing out that the hardest to learn is the least complicated.

        this i like a lot.  and, just to participate a little bit... you
know you are that word when, while discussing the possible niftiness of the
field of forensic pathology you suggest opening a lab and naming it "profits
in the graveyard".  yes, i did this... and i have 2 list witnesses... the
shame the shame... <she bursts into song... "and the river said.... shame on
you....>

tracy <avoiding filling out more job applications and printing more resumes>

"it doesn't appear that she is being held against her will...
        well... i mean... it does *appear* that way...."
                -- agent dana scully

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date:         thu, 5 dec 1996 12:59:43 -0600
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my dear adorable and oh-so-intelligent gf posted:

>date:    wed, 4 dec 1996 22:51:41 -0800
>from:    set indigo-girls digest <grnrgrrl@geocities.com>
>subject: new email (nigc)

        wow - i had no idea she *was* the set indigo-girls digest ... lololo!

some computer geek she is being....

tracy <who knows that "everything that i beleive is wrong with you is wrong
with me" but i had to publicaly tease her.  we met through this thing you know>

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subject:      joni vs. emily

hey all,

i have not heard joni's version, but do have "turbulent indigo" (and not
for the obvious connection).  i absolutely love emily's version on 1200.
this is special because of the fact that i am an "amy person"  but
dang nag it, emily's "river" chills me.  i love it!  this makes me think i
might really dig joni's version.  that's all i wanted to say.

peace all,
melissa

oo <b& <b& <b& <b& <b& <b& <b& <b& <b& <b& <b& <b& <b& <b& <b& <b& <b& oo
++                                                                     ++
<  if we ever leave a legacy it's that we loved each other well - ig    <
b                                                                       b
&       do you think i'm mental-          there's some things you       &
<       ly anguished - k.d.               can't deny - m.e.             <
b                                                                       b
&  don't tell me... who to sleep with, what to think... how to talk,    &
<  what to eat... how to look, who i can be... don't lay your morality  <
b  on me - phranc                                                       b
&                                                                       &
oo               *** i fuck to come, not to conceive ***               oo
++ <b& <b& <b& <b& <b& <b& <b& <b& <b& <b& <b& <b& <b& <b& <b& <b& <b& ++

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subject:      why ellen morgan shouldn't come out (nigc)

yesterday i was thinking about the speculation over the "will ellen come
out of the closet ordeal."  well, yesterday i changed my vote.

since 1987, i've crossed my fingers and waited in painful anticipation for
ellen degeneres to "yay" or "nay" rumours about her sexuality. i agree
that the gay/lesbian community needs decent (and even morally upstanding)
role models, especially at a time when our nation's adolescent suicide
rate is led by struggling gay youth.  however, as we are all aware, ellen
degeneres and ellen morgan are not one and the same. i do think it is sad,
as well, that our people search more dilligently for role models in the
fictional world of entertainment...

with that in mind, the "ellen" mentioned forthcoming is "ellen morgan,"
unless otherwise specified.

we obviously do not know ellen degeneres...but we do "know" a few certain
things about ellen morgan.  we do know that ellen has: been arrested at
the mexican border for attempting to bring art to america without proper
paperwork, dated a man whose only ambition in life was to be the best
pizza delivery man he could possibly be, was perilessly hounded by her
incorrigable boss at buy the book before she bought it, ruined one of her
brother's weddings...and so on.

what we do know most about ellen (and what i find most charming) is that
she's  _wishy-washy_.  when we consider how much ellen lacks absoluteness
in whole, it seems amazingly out of charecter for her to find certainty in
something as serious as her sexual preference.  coming out takes courage
and an unwaivering concreteness that ellen simply lacks.

ellen is hardly egocentric.  she would find an admission like coming out
to be too much that --  _if_ ellen does come out, my bet is that it will
be to her therapist[s].  that route will eliminate causing concern among
her friens...ellen craves attention, certainly.  but not of this sort and
of this caliber.

what about ellen's emotions??  ellen shows emotion -- but those emotions
almost always encompass the wellbeing of those around her.  whether she's
worrying about pissing audrey off when she misused her call waiting,
bought a car from an inept salesmen to keep him from losing her job, or
mourning the deaths of ed's prize wall-adorning deer.  this season, we
actually see ellen show emotion that deals with her _personal_ feelings as
she has to deal with her parents' separation.  but even prior to that, she
gives the couple vacation train tickets on the day she bought her brand
new house.

ellen morgan would think coming out to her friends is an act of pure
selfishness.  if the show's writers want ellen's character to sustain her
believability, they will not put her in a situation that compromises who
she is and has been all along.

in short, ellen morgan would not, should not, and hopefully will not come
out of the closet this season or any.


commence flaming.
i've prepared and wrapped myself in wet blankets.


your commentator from the north,
shari lee

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subject:      re: rumors

on thu, 5 dec 1996, dawn kivisto wrote:

>just out of sheer curiosity, i want to know if anyone out there knows
>whether or not the rumors that amy and emily are a couple are true.
>several people have told me that they are, and have been together for
>several years, others tell me that the rumor is nothing but a load of
>pandering tripe.  this torture must end!!!
>
> if anyone knows the answer, please, for the love of god, tell me! i
>can take this no longer!

*sigh*  not again!  could someone put the answer to this on the faq, if
it's not already there....

anna

"how is it that music can, without words, evoke our
laughter, our tears, our highest aspiration?"  -jane swan

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subject:      okay, i can't stand it! (nigc)

--- corinne wrote:

"ode to susan marine"
oh joyous ye, the fine susan marine
a woman whose posts, today have not yet been seen.
we need your posts 'cos of them we are keen!
oh susan marine, where have you been (pronouced bean)? (etc.)

hehehhehahhahahhehehehhahh  i love you susie q!!!
--- end of quoted material ---

you win, joni, but corinne gets all the credit!!! pleeeeeease stop talking
about me, pllllllllease, i'm so shy, this is so embarrassing

red and hiding under my desk,
susanna

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subject:      re: rumors

<<just out of sheer curiosity, i want to know if anyone out there
knows whether or not the rumors that amy and emily are a couple are
true.  several people have told me that they are, and have been
together for several years, others tell me that the rumor is
nothing but a load of pandering tripe.  this torture must end!!!>>

it's a load of pandering tripe, definitely.  impressive vocabulary, though!

amy is currently a single woman, for you amy ray fans!

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subject:      overexposure

o.k. i admit that i am many years older than 12 and i love many ig songs and
i probably don't understand what many are really about but i love them
anyway and being on this list has made me feel guilty for loving songs and
not really understanding them and if i had more time i would sit down with
all of the words and try to really get a grasp of all the songs but for now
i'll just have to thank everyone who contributes to my understanding and
continue to sing along to all of the songs regardless if i really know the
meaning.

whew, i got that out! =d

does anyone else feel like this?

holding my head in shame,
lori

p.s. where did these teenagers on this list get to be so articulate?
applause!  none of the kids i teach even come close.  maybe that's because
they are listening to... well, you know. =-)


  "i sit at my table and wage war on myself"
                                 rem

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subject:      kurdt as a role model (nigc)
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mat thinks:

+as for kurt, does anyone really see him as a role model anymore?
+certainly most of the people i know like his music, but don't really
+talk about *him* much ...

i think:

yeah, i think some kids/people look up to him.  maybe they don't sit around
saying "hey, i want to become a heroin addict!" but many of them (at least in
my corner of the world) respond, identify with, and admire his lyrics . . .
including "look on the bright side is suicide."  i know plenty of people
(myself **not** included) who admire the way he 'gave a big middle finger' to
society by shooting himself.  i know of many a 12-year-old who has tried hard
to be like kurt, and it saddens me.

-elizabeth

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from:         emily saliers really! <debbie@mei.com>
subject:      re: hey whats goin on?

>> > dear amy and emily,
>> >         hello, my name is jill wolf and i must say that i love your work.
>> >  both of you i am sure have heard this befor but you two are definatly
>> > and inspiration to many peoples lives...mine most definatly included!!!!
>> > i cant wait to see you guys in concert one day and when that day
>> > comes...well hopefully that day will come!!!
>> >                                 i love you both!!
>> >                                         jill wolf
>greg^h^h^h^hamy, are you listening?

unfortunately, greg/amy is currently sipping drinks in first class on a
flight from nyc to la, so s/he can't comment right now. i would have loved
to have tagged along, but ya'll know how i feel about flying :) i'll relay
the message though.

peace!

em

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hi, not that it really matters, but i was just thinking ... (for you
boston globe readers out there)

on the age and ig thread:
my daughter loves dancing to the indigo girls music, and i know she isn't
old enough to appreciate the meaning of the lyrics yet.  but when bury my
heart at wounded knee (that's her favorite) comes on, her hips begin to
wiggle, her arms start swinging, and her head starts bopping.  she just
can't help herself.  she's 15 by the way.

i have no problem with her loving ig without understanding the meaning of
the words.  as elizabeth pointed out, i would much rather see her and her
friends appreciating and emulating amy and emily then the singers that
some of her friends are into now.  particularly barney!   he's definitely
a bad influence.   8 }

ok. some of you had to know that was coming (for others, my daughter is
15 months old).  she really does dance like crazy to ig though, at
newport she caused a big ruckus with her dancing.    btw, don't take this
the wrong way elizabeth, i thought you made a very good point.  i totally
agree with you.

paul simon:  american tune was definitely written by paul simon.  there
goes rhymin simon was one of the first albums i owned and one of my
absolute favorites growing up.

and susan  -   how about this for a thread...  who is more of a feminist
in their music:  dar williams, the indigo girls, or ani?  c'mon susan, i
know you have an opinion on this one.   : )

oh and binky wrote:
>which lead me to a pretty good music magazine devoted to
>women in music !!! it's called rockrgrl and it speaks
>to women in various musical genres.

and you prefer this to rolling stone's fascinating cover series of
exploitative pictures of the women of nbc thursday night tv without
clothes???   how could that be??   ya old geezer!   : )

peace, : )
harry a. keates
  email: hak@crai.com

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subject:      (fwd) re: rumors

chris says this was supposed to go to the list.  i guess _i_ should
read the faq, too, that way i'll know what is on it. ;)

anna

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from:          christopher m. becker <cmbecker@space.mit.edu>
subject:       re: rumors
to:            creechal@aslan.emu.edu
date:          thu, 5 dec 96 16:18:59 est


> *sigh*  not again!  could someone put the answer to this on the faq, if
> it's not already there....


it is there....

a reading from the ig faq, part i, chapter 3, verse 5:

        - are amy and emily gay?  have they been involved with each other?

        amy and emily are both openly gay although in the past they have not
        always been identified as such by the mainstream media.

        in the 1996 newport folk festival program amy states, "i always think
        of [emily] as the perfect best friend.  i guess one of the reasons
        we've always been like this is that we've always had the same kind of
        relationship.  the nature of it never changed - we never had a sexual
        encounter - we never had a real conflict - we were always just
        completely friends."

so there you have it from one of the only two should on the planet who
know (and really have any business knowing in the first place).

                                -- chris

                 "thou shalt count to three,
                  and the number of the counting shall be three.
                  four thou shalt not count,
                  nor shall thou count two,
                  unless thoust proceeds to three.
                  five is *right out*."

                        - m. palin

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laughter, our tears, our highest aspiration?"  -jane swan

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in-reply-to:  <m0vvm24-001gjsc@iaw.on.ca>

> o.k. i admit that i am many years older than 12 and i love many ig songs and
> i probably don't understand what many are really about but i love them
> anyway


it is when we think we understand
that we are most misled.

only $0.02.


shari lee

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subject:      re: art gurfunkel (nigc)
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yes, art garfunkel wrote a heart in new york.
i was positive he wrote american tune too, but now....i'm not sure.  i'm
really not sure of anything right now beyond the four major nursing
leadership theories.  but yes, art worte at least one song in his career.

on thu, 5 dec 1996, david perham wrote:

> my question brought to mind by this "who wrote 'american tune'
> controversy is:
>
> did art garfunkel ever actually write a song (any song) in his
> life?  i doubt it...
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i wear mine under my right pant leg, strapped to my boot..."--ani
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another boot offer:

okay...i was just wondering if there is anyone interested in the ig boot
"history of us"  i have no idea if this boot is popular enough that
everyone has it, but i'm willing to make copies.  the play list is:

(90 min)

least complicated
galileo
joking
welcome me
hammer and a nail
virginia woolf
pushing the needle too far
prince of darkness
chickenman
closer to fine
melissa
land of canaan (of course)
love of the common people
crazy game ("this is where amy gets to dance" -em)
kid fears
mona lisa and madhatters


just email me privately if you're interested in working out a trade of
another boot, or you just want a copy.  looking forward to hearing from
you.  and who is interested in a copy of "jesus christ superstar" the
daemon records version??

jamie
                               jamie a suthard
                        <suthardj@ralph.southwestern.edu>

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from:         alec <alec@pipeline.com>
subject:      art garfunkel (nigc)

what's the song by paul simon about bob dylan?  it's got a line about art
garfunkel...  i think it's

i've been mother, fathered
aunt and uncled
something something
and art garfunkeled

andy warhol won'tcha please come home!!


or something like that...

have a great day,

alec

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subject:      rumors answered...

thank you all (all 14 of you) for answering my question.  i feel
much better now.  in response to those of you who suggested i read
the faq, i have not yet received it, so it aint my fault.  i hope
fervently that i have not made the wrong impression, i was merely
trying to discover which flavor of information was the correct one.

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subject:      re: art gurfunkel (nigc)

>yes, art garfunkel wrote a heart in new york.
>i was positive he wrote american tune too, but now....i'm not sure.  i'm
>really not sure of anything right now beyond the four major nursing
>leadership theories.  but yes, art worte at least one song in his career.


yes but not that one. a heart in new york was written by benny gallagher
and graham lyle. art is credited on some early stuff (tom and jerry tunes)
and sf/canticle. he did write at least one tune all by himself. it's called
rag doll and it's on his solo album breakaway.

hope that clears things up.

deb (who just can't have misinformation out there -- or misterinformation
either :)

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subject:      yay!  we did it!  (nigc)

on thursday, 12/5, never silent again susan marine wrote:

>you win, joni, but corinne gets all the credit!!! pleeeeeease stop talking
>about me, pllllllllease, i'm so shy, this is so embarrassing
>
>red and hiding under my desk,
>susanna
>

not fair!  my email died right after lunch!  i could receive mail but i
couldn't send any!  boo hoo!  i had such plans to entice you, susan...but
with the help of my friends who took the reins from me during my
unintentional gagging, your silence has been broken!  whoo hoo!

kudos to corinne and cynthia crecca for her truly inspirational verse which
i just got to read (its 7:25pm est).

so, susan, you still want to see dar with me on saturday?  or have i totally
embarrassed you such that you don't want to be seen in public?  i promise
not to gloat....(too much...hehe)

thanks everyone for a very fun day!  i haven't laughed this much at work
since i got my last raise!

good nite!

joni :o)

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date:         thu, 5 dec 1996 17:49:25 -1000
reply-to:     sundara <smurphy@ups.edu>
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subject:      re: okay, i can't stand it! (nigc)

> pleeeeeease stop talking
>about me, pllllllllease, i'm so shy, this is so embarrassing
>
>red and hiding under my desk,
>susanna

aaahh, i'm sad,  i missed all the fun and games trying to get susie-wusie
to post.  you go corinne!  anyway, just to make susan more embarressed and
red, i thought i'd publically declare my love for her.  hee hee.

i loooooves you susan!!

peace, love, and susan,

        sundara<-- who is kinda depressed today, for no reason at all

"my dreams came in like needy children
tugging at my sleeve,
i said i have no way of feeding you, so leave"

                -emily

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subject:      random post

  i watched "elmo saves christmas" last night. it was the cutest thing ever!
  i was feeling especially snuggly and kidsy but i'm sure that you
listers who know me aren't suprised.
  ben
  "keep christmas with you all through the years. when christmas is over
save some christmas cheer."
-the original sesame street christmas special

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from:         tom jobes <tomcat@netcom.com>
subject:      re: which leeds in particular?
in-reply-to:  <pine.osf.3.95.961205185000.3883c-100000@osfb.aber.ac.uk> from
              "indigo jo" at dec 5, 96 06:50:57 pm

indigo jo wrote:
>
> hate to ask a silly question but ...
>
> is the leeds emily refers to her song, the one in england?

yup, in the intro at bumbershoot, she says that she was there when she
started writing the song.

tom
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subject:      re: obsessed fan thread returns
in-reply-to:  <2.2.32.19961205185945.006a61d4@mail.halcyon.com> from "tracy" at
              dec 5, 96 12:59:45 pm

regarding the obsessed fan stuff:

i thought of this the first time i heard the album, but i've never been in
the right situation

i picture myself camping in the woods with friends on a drizzly night.  i'm
having trouble getting the fire going without any dry wood, and burst into:

        what make me think it would light unaided?
        the hardest to burn was the least dessicated . . .

a mind is a terrible thing :-)

tom
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       \ _/__   to know the truth
        \\  /   i was mistaken
          \/    only a child laughing in the sun
                     -- david crosby

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from:         "susan b. marine" <susan.b.marine@dartmouth.edu>
subject:      the girls in this month's progressive magazine

hey y'all. okay, so i obviously couldn't make it 24 hours without posting! but
this is important and cool.  moving on...

i opened my progressive magazine for december 96 and there, on p. 34, is a full
3 page article about the girls! i don't have time to transcribe it all now, but
i will later. there aren't any pictures, except for a drawing of the two of
them that does not do the beautiful women justice. but the article is great,
talks about their politics and personal beliefs, and is amazing esp. cause it
is not in a music magazine!

i usually see the progressive at bigger bookstores (ie chains) and
women's/feminist/queer bookstores.

i'll write the article out tonight when i get home. i'm going to see the
lemonheads in a bar that holds 50 people! awrrrrright!

xo and a big banana,
susanna
"the price is wrong, bitch"
                                adam sandler to bob barker
                                                "happy gilmore"

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              dec 5, 96 05:00:01 pm

kam wrote:
>
> amy is currently a single woman, for you amy ray fans!

i don't think it would do *me* any good, though.  *sigh*

tom
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at 05:56 pm 12/5/96 -0700, verdi@imap2.asu.edu wrote:
>  i watched "elmo saves christmas" last night. it was the cutest thing ever!
>  i was feeling especially snuggly and kidsy but i'm sure that you
>listers who know me aren't suprised.
>  ben
>  "keep christmas with you all through the years. when christmas is over
>save some christmas cheer."
>-the original sesame street christmas special
>

i saw this special too!! (i loooove elmo!!!!)

anyways, does anyone know if ig was ever on sesame street as guests??
if not, they sure as hell should!!!  hmnnnnn...the thought of amy and emily
singing along with those little puppet creatures gives me the giggles!!

--sue (who wants "tickle-me elmo" for x-mas...but they're sold out everywhere)

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>
> amy  "here, you have to learn to play this"
>
> emily "i said, thank you"  <-- in the cutest voice, sooo funny!!
>
this is exactly the quote i was trying to think of to answer this
question.  i knew there was one i had just heard, but i didn't remember
which one it was.  thanks sundara, for the quote and the tape...
oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
                __-----__o
               /       o \
              |      woo  |             marianne l. barlow
              (     a     )             mlb1@axe.humboldt.edu
              |     |\    |
               \__  | |__/        "i'll be the first to praise the sun,
                  ~~|  >           the first the praise the moon,
                   .===.           the first to hold the lone coyote,
                   |\ /|           the last to set it free."
                   | ' |   |\            --indigo girls
                  _|    \_/  |
                 (____)_____/
oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

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no, corinne, you almost got it right, the best emily laugh is on ep & more
when they start to play i should have never crossed your path (i think)
and mess up right at the beginning...she sounds just like my wonderful
friend who i love dearly, and it's wonderful...!!!

oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
                __-----__o
               /       o \
              |      woo  |             marianne l. barlow
              (     a     )             mlb1@axe.humboldt.edu
              |     |\    |
               \__  | |__/        "i'll be the first to praise the sun,
                  ~~|  >           the first the praise the moon,
                   .===.           the first to hold the lone coyote,
                   |\ /|           the last to set it free."
                   | ' |   |\            --indigo girls
                  _|    \_/  |
                 (____)_____/
oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

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subject:      awesome amy photo!

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catherine diederich wrote:
>
> hi everybody!
> i believe that i got one of the best birthday gifts ever...a real live 8
> x 10 of amy at the "dead" show in eugene aug. 21/22(?) 1993.
> my girlfriend busted her butt tracking down this woman she had some
> obscure ig conversation with. the woman had some photos she had taken at
> the dead show.  (oh yeah, we live in eugene) blah blah it's mine!!!
> so the photo is excellent!   there is a slight fuzz to it, which i like
> because i really don't need to see amy's pores.  she has a grateful dead
> shirt on, blue lens glasses, jeans, her hair is short, her arms are
> extended over her head, hands clasped. she's singin' her heart out!
> (wish i could scan it for you all) ahh she is so great!
> i'm thrilled, and can't stop looking at it.  thanks for listening, and
> one other thing...i love my g.f.!!!
sorry if this appeared before, as far as i can see it didn't make the
list...so here's a fwd. catherine

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hi everybody!
i believe that i got one of the best birthday gifts ever...a real live 8
x 10 of amy at the "dead" show in eugene aug. 21/22(?) 1993.
my girlfriend busted her butt tracking down this woman she had some
obscure ig conversation with. the woman had some photos she had taken at
the dead show.  (oh yeah, we live in eugene) blah blah it's mine!!!
so the photo is excellent!   there is a slight fuzz to it, which i like
because i really don't need to see amy's pores.  she has a grateful dead
shirt on, blue lens glasses, jeans, her hair is short, her arms are
extended over her head, hands clasped. she's singin' her heart out!
(wish i could scan it for you all) ahh she is so great!
i'm thrilled, and can't stop looking at it.  thanks for listening, and
one other thing...i love my g.f.!!!

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from:         lorinda wright <wright@biodec.wustl.edu>
subject:      re: why ellen morgan shouldn't come out (nigc)
x-to:         shareee <gross@mhd1.moorhead.msus.edu>
in-reply-to:  <pine.osf.3.95.961205131926.8121c-100000@mhd1.moorhead.msus.edu>

ok, i'll bite. i disagree. i think she _should_ come out, (and in an
aside, i also think she _will_.)

> ellen degeneres to "yay" or "nay" rumours about her sexuality. i agree
> that the gay/lesbian community needs decent (and even morally upstanding)
> role models, especially at a time when our nation's adolescent suicide
> rate is led by struggling gay youth.  however, as we are all aware, ellen
> degeneres and ellen morgan are not one and the same. i do think it is sad,
> as well, that our people search more dilligently for role models in the
> fictional world of entertainment...

agreed on all points. role models are _extremely_ important. not only for
gay youth (and not so youth), but for the straight community as well.
right now there are almost _no_ real public, visual gay role models that
the straight community can look at and perceive as a "normal" part of
society. to watch tv today you'd think that there _are_ no gay people in
society, (except for the occasional side character, or the occasional
brief fling with the idea on nypd blue. and then of course there are all
the daytime talk shows...)
i also agree that morgan and degeneres are not the same person, but 1)so
what? why does that mean morgan can't be gay? 2)actually, if you read
degeneres' book you'll see that the character is actually quite similar
to the real person, and 3)actually, i think it would suit the character
quite well to come out. (especially after all the hinting they've done
this season :)
and i _also_ agree that it's sad that fictional figures tend to be our
society's role models. (which, btw, is one of the great things about
admiring amy and emily, because they're _real_). but the fact is that our
society _does_ look to television for guidance and role models, etc. the
fact that it's sad doesn't change the fact that it's true. so if some
good can be done by portraying a popular, main character as gay, and
maybe dispelling some of the denial, fear, and misconceptions that are
out there, then by all means i hope they do it!

> we obviously do not know ellen degeneres...but we do "know" a few certain
> things about ellen morgan.  we do know that ellen has: been arrested at
> the mexican border for attempting to bring art to america without proper
> paperwork, dated a man whose only ambition in life was to be the best
> pizza delivery man he could possibly be, was perilessly hounded by her
> incorrigable boss at buy the book before she bought it, ruined one of her
> brother's weddings...and so on.

i'm not sure what you're trying to say here. are you saying she's a bad
person/role model?


> what we do know most about ellen (and what i find most charming) is that
> she's  _wishy-washy_.  when we consider how much ellen lacks absoluteness
> in whole, it seems amazingly out of charecter for her to find certainty in
> something as serious as her sexual preference.  coming out takes courage
> and an unwaivering concreteness that ellen simply lacks.

seems to me that in a way her traditional wishy-washy-ness actually fits
quite well with the idea that she is, for the first time in her life,
starting to wonder. and speaking as a (beleive it or not :) wishy-washy
person, beleive me, even _we_ can find certainty in our sexual
preference. :) some things are too important to be wishy-washy about for
your _whole_ life. :)


ok, i'll pass on commenting on all the other aspects of ellen's
character. suffice it to say that i _do_ hope she comes out. and maybe
that's just me being selfish cuz i _really_ want to watch it happen :)
(i've been taping every episode this season, and taking note of all the
"hints.") but i also think it's the necessary "next step" for the gay
community. visibility is important. it's time for something like this.

>
> in short, ellen morgan would not, should not, and hopefully will not come
> out of the closet this season or any.

she should not, could not in a house?
she should not, could not with a mouse?
>

have at it folks,
folkisgruven,
lorindigo

still driving...
lorinda wright           the trouble in my head is getting closer and closer
washington university     to my legs i've got to walk it out. and the trouble
st. louis, mo             with my heart is that i can't rip it out. and the
                          trouble with myself is that i don't know me.
                                                        -melissa ferrick
                    i will not be complacent

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subject:      a fan is born...well, close enough for me.

hi folks!
it's been so long since i've posted, i almost forgot the address!  i've
been constantly exposing my husband to ig music since we met three years
ago to no avail (that is until last night).  i was surfing the net when
he came home from work last night, and i had ig playing (of course).  he
started working on staining a piece of furniture he had built.  anyway,
this train revised (fill in the parentheses where they belong) came on
and i caught him whistling along to it as he worked!  i said "hey, i
heard that!"  "what?" he asked.  "you were whistling along to indigo
girls!"  i said.  " i know," he said.  "and i had one of their songs
running through my mind all night at work.   i hope you're happy!"
i am...;)
carrie
p.s.  the song he had stuck in his head was dead man's hill, and you
have to understand that my husband's music of choice is stuff like
slayer, sepultura, iron maiden, black sabbath, etc.
never underestimate the power of the girls!

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subject:      re: ig newsletter...

hey y'all-
  regarding the newsletter (i was shocked to receive one!!) how do we e-mail
russel as to keep our name on the mailing list?  does anyone know their
e-mail address?
schmancks,
*lou* the seven point wonder

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subject:      hey blue babes!

hi....girls it's been awhile since you have seen me or i have seen you. i did
see your orlando concert back in may of 1993.

glad to hear you are coming out with a new album and can't wait to hear it.
i'll bet it's a long way from playing james taylor at the wooden nickel.

hoping you come to orlando soon....peace!


ann's sister peach

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subject:      re: hey blue babes!

hi....girls it's been awhile since you have seen me or i have seen you. i did
see your orlando concert back in may of 1993.

glad to hear you are coming out with a new album and can't wait to hear it.
i'll bet it's a long way from playing james taylor at the wooden nickel.

hoping you come to orlando soon....peace!


ann's sister peach

     oh no...here we go again!!! what's up with this? man o man i miss my
     pal greg right about now :):):):) he has such a cute flame retardant
     suit he wears ;> em/deb are you out there???? :):):):):)

     kira

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        hi y'all...

        i've been compiling my answers into one post so i don't become as
red-faced as susan <g>...

        first, for those lucky people who received the newsletter, you can
email russell to update your address and continued interest at:

        igfan@rcam.com

        for those who did not/have not yet received a newsletter...email the
fan club at the above address and snail mail the request to:
        indigo girls
        c/o russell carter artist management
        315 ponce de leon ave  suite 755
        decatur, ga    30030


        okay, now onto the very interestin' threads...

        on a desert island...amy with her twleve-string singing "holy city"
and if i could be so daring as to steal the deadwood raft from kim i'd hop
on over to the next island as well and listen to emily (complete with baby
grand piano) singing "leeds"...then i would rescue them both so everyone
could catch them on tour in the spring...

        as for the baby names...not gonna go there...<g>

        guess that's all for now...

        take it easy,

                jen

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subject:      what's up with this new disc from rdr?

hey all,

does anyone know any other info about this new version of
levees that break in my heart, that happens to be $20 less
than what i paid for it last month?  what's the deal, why
is it so much less, and why does it come with a photo and
not the more expensive one.  i am feeling a little irritaed
and jipped.  if i knew that a less expensive disc was going
to be offered i wouldn't have been so gung ho to spend $40
so soon, fearing that they would run out before i got one.
any chance of rdr sending that photo to those of us who
bought the first run versions that didn't include it, or
do we have to spend another $20 for it?

also, a good question about who is releasing and making $$ off
these recordings was posed.  is this all being done by or with
amy and emily's consent and are they getting anything back for
this, or am i paying someone who is getting rich off this my
money while amy and emily are not pleased with the release of
the material.  does anyone have any insight about this that
could be shared with the list?

thanks for putting up with my banterings, i am just in a nit-picky
and not so peppy mood tonite.  i'll go listen to ig and cheer up.

take care and peace!

-deb

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date:         fri, 6 dec 1996 00:28:22 -0400
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subject:      re: a fan is born...well, close enough for me

at  thu, 5 dec 1996 19:16:55 -0800, carrie shafer wrote:

>i've
>been constantly exposing my husband to ig music since we met three years
>ago to no avail (that is until last night).  i was surfing the net when
>he came home from work last night, and i had ig playing (of course).  he
>started working on staining a piece of furniture he had built.  anyway,
>this train revised (fill in the parentheses where they belong) came on
>and i caught him whistling along to it as he worked!  i said "hey, i
>heard that!"  "what?" he asked.  "you were whistling along to indigo
>girls!"  i said.  " i know," he said.  "and i had one of their songs
>running through my mind all night at work.   i hope you're happy!"
>i am...;)

i know how this is, carrie...in fact, my husband refuses to even sing
anything at all...and definately not with me. i really wanted him to
harmonize with me, i'm a soprano and he's a tenor. well, i was watching
watershed the other day and the galileo video was playing. i was singing
along, and i *thought* that i heard him sing the harmony "if we wait for
the time 'till all souls get it right". i turned to him, "did you just
sing?" he just sort of nodded. i was so happy! then today he was humming
"winthrop" under his breath, i've been playing it a lot because i love it
so much. i have a convert, yes!!! ;)

>p.s.  the song he had stuck in his head was dead man's hill, and you
>have to understand that my husband's music of choice is stuff like
>slayer, sepultura, iron maiden, black sabbath, etc.
>never underestimate the power of the girls!

my husband likes classical music, and some popular stuff like oasis,
smashing pumpkins, hootie. you can bet we argue over music a lot!!


oh, i want to say thanks to all of y'all that have/are helping me to get
boots. you're so kind to newbies. i've been on the list for about two
months, but i don't post much...mostly just read along.

peace...

shanna

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on thu, 5 dec 1996, joan wrote:

> sorry to waste bandwidth, but i just couldn't sit on this one.  one of our
> fellow listers, susan marine, has promised she wouldn't post to the list
> today after having posted so many times yesterday.  i'll believe it when i
> don't see it.
>
> so, what new thread can we talk about today in an effort to entice her to
> break her promise and post to the list?hello fellow ig listers!

how about whether they wear boxers or briefs?  ;-)

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howdy family!

this post is fairly long... sorry mom. i figured people would like to hear
about my adventures last week.:)

well im on top of the world! thursday i went to a literary lunch and met
the one and only armistead maupin, creator of the tales of the city
series! im still writing up the draft (for my story) which wont be done
until next week, so dont ask me for it yet - ill bring it to the list the
very moment its finished. in fact its half-done now.

what i can say is that i was mighty pleased and honoured to meet him. hard
work though - i couldnt locate my dictaphone so actually had to take the
notes down the old (woodward and bernstein) way - by shorthand!
aarrrrghh!!

but what a glorious event in my young life. maupin certainly deserves the
accolades he receives as a storyteller. as he was reading out some of his
latest manuscript, the listeners were treated to a voice warm with
descriptive phrases that were alive with emphasis and emotion. maupin
certainly has a way of weaving his words into a special magic that washes
over the listeners. im convinced now, its a magnificent opportunity to
hear an author read their own work, rather than by a complete stranger.
in this case, maupin knew exactly where to emphasise and convey a variety
of different emotions to the large group of listeners in front of him, and
the personal effect was overwhelming and uplifting.

maupin looks pretty good these days... a little more solid, the ash-brown
hair now relegated to the back in very faint shades, and now most silver.
wearing taupe pants, dark sage jacket and white t-shirt, he appeared to be
a man that was still rather tall, solid and jogged whenever he had time.
it was interesting to note from the angle i was sitting (on the far right-hand
side of the lectern back a few metres) that maupins index finger
occasionally poked out of the lower pocket of his jacket while the other hand
remained firmly on the podium(!).. since i was sitting a metre or so away from the
rest of the audience, this was a sight observed probably by just one
person. it was pretty cute actually - proves that theres more to this
writers life than mending holes in his jacket - it lent an air of
ordinariness to the man regarded in some circles as a kind of demi-god.

but heres the skinny on the more tales of the city series:
it is going ahead, and the money is being put up by a variety of television
networks and other sources. cbs originally offered and backed out due to
trouble from the christian right. (im glad cbs bailed out myself. lending
their name to a series of such magnificence and importance would only
cheapen it, given their past record with abandoning good shows and
projects). and yes, olympia will be in the next series. he only
briefly touched on this subject, but what he did say was interesting so
ill describe that in greater detail next week. he did say he wasn't
impressed with 1 or 2 actors, but he wouldn't say who ;-). dr fielding
will be back, and olympia - which is a good start.:)

after the literary lunch, there was a book signing. doing it the old
fashioned way, with nary an auto-pen in sight, maupin signed copies, new
and old, of the books from his totc series. dashing outside(id forgotten
about the signing  and had to race out and get money!!), i came back to
find the line still fairly short since most of the patrons whod paid $45
were still enjoying their hilton-supplied lunch (i guess brisbanites are,
er, conservative about money wastage!).

when i finally got in front of maupin, the cool calm and collected jansen
journalist was pushed aside as the gushing fan(excitable person) took over
-  ohmigod!! how did that happen!! arrgghh! - the excitable person well
and truly took over but everything went fine.:) firstly i want to say, i
think youre a god, youre excellent, and its a great honour to meet you,
yada yada yada! i said to maupin excitedly - who was probably wondering
who the bimbo was standing before him(!). certainly his reaction didnt
show it at least, for which i was truly grateful %-)

but the next thing i said turned out to be the right instinct. as he
signed my books, one for myself and one for a good friend, i blithered
on: mr maupin, i saw you in the celluloid closet and i want to say i
identified with everything you said. it's such an honour to meet
you...well done."

maupin was surprised to hear this, but obviously pleased because he
instantly held out his hand to shake with mine(!!!) - wow, how often does
that happen? it appeared the last person whose hand he shook was at least
5 signees ago...  for those of you who dont know, the celluloid closet is
a masterpiece in documentary film.. highly recommended viewing.

well, that's it. i'll let the list know when my story is done. if anyone
has any particular questions, just write me.:)

see ya later alligator!
julie

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is there a december schedule for eddie's attic available?  if someone
could email me privately and let me know who will be there the week
between 12/16-12/25 i'd appreciate it...

thanks,
darren

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on thu, 5 dec 1996, susan b. marine wrote:

> i'll write the article out tonight when i get home. i'm going to see the
> lemonheads in a bar that holds 50 people! awrrrrright!

just goes to show how appreciative you americans are of british music!
in this country they'd be playing to four- or even five-figure audiences!

(not that i'm all that appreciative of *that* kind of british music ...)

mat

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this note is for the european listmembers only. it's not worth reading for
you guys in the states!!!!!!!!!!


hello everyone,
i'm trying to find out if any of the british (or european)list members
are going to watch the ig concert on bbc 1 tomorrow night (sat.&,1:00am *so
actually it is sunday... oh, well*). if there is such a person who is going
to watch it and tape it, and possibly make a copy for me too, could you,
please e-mail me privately. it is practically impossible to get it here (in
the czech republic), and i'd really like to have at least one video of an ig
concert. i suppose that this is my last cahnce... :-(((
we'll see. any kind of help, even some advise, will be greatly appreciated,
thank y'all.

tombo

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howdy;
i have this little story to tell y'all. i always read those little notes
from all of you american list members, that you heard ig on the radio when
driving home from work or where ever. well, i'm jealous, i admit it, because
it is impossible to hear them here where i live (czech republic). noone
knows them here (who loves us? nobody... :-)), except for me, and some
friends of mine who can put up with my attacks of ig music into their
tape players. anyway, i was working on my computer last night w/ the radio
turned on tuned to a national "alternative music" station. i went to the
kitchen to get something to eat, and when i returnedto my room, my screen
saver was just slowly loading an ig picture from the newport folk fest. it
was kinda cool, cause there are like 50 images in the saver that keep coming
up randomly on the screen, and only 5 of them are ig. so i smiled and
thought that it was neat and as i was walking to the computer, it started to
load another image, and guess what.... the watershed graphics. i smiled and
thought: "coooooool, man." i sat down and started to type. i typed about 4
letters and all of a sudden i start thinking: "this is strange, i have this
song i my head, and something's not working right here..." and then i
realized that it was the radio that was playing the least complicated, and
my mind wa singing along. i just turned the volume up, and sang, and
laughed. it was the strangest experience of this kind that i have ever had.
o.k. so the song ended, and i ran out to the phonebooth (i don't have a
phone), and called the radio, and talked to the guy. he said that they have
only one cd and are looking for more but cannot find anything, because ig
are not known at all here. i told him about their stuff, offered him my cds
thati bought in the states while i was there and also told him about the
sony web page. he said that he'd contact sony and possibly get some more ig
music. and i was so trigger happy to talk to that guy about ig that i hung
up and didn't even ask for another song. it made my whole evening, honestly.
so i had to write to all of you.

oooops, sorry about the lenght. i just looked up. stream of consciousness is
really hard to control sometimes.
anyway, great to talk to you, take care, all of you.

tombo

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on fri, 6 dec 1996, tomas fiala wrote:

> hello everyone,
> i'm trying to find out if any of the british (or european)list members
> are going to watch the ig concert on bbc 1 tomorrow night (sat.&,1:00am *so
> actually it is sunday... oh, well*). if there is such a person who is going
> to watch it and tape it, and possibly make a copy for me too, could you,
> please e-mail me privately. it is practically impossible to get it here (in
> the czech republic), and i'd really like to have at least one video of an ig
> concert. i suppose that this is my last cahnce... :-(((
> we'll see. any kind of help, even some advise, will be greatly appreciated,
> thank y'all.

yes i will be watching it, and i will try and see if i can get it recorded
for you.   i take it the czech republic has the same video format we have?

mat

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subject:      re: ellen and a note to corinne...
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hello everyone!

yay!  my emails working again!  {note to corinne:  when i logged on this
morning, my server sent all the messages i had in que from yesterday when
email was down, so you'll get a message from me re: susan
marine...disregard...it's all over....}

about ellen...point of information...does everyone know that abc is moving
ellen from 8pm to 9:30pm?  i think the writing's on the wall....

have a great day everyone!

joni  :o)

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subject:      nigc: i'm on the soapbox about boots...

hello again!

i should have included this in my last post, but forgot..oh well..

just a reminder...i've been dubbing boots for people and 90% of the time, i
get the right length tape and a sase.  but recently, i got a "postage due"
blank tape and a couple with the wrong length tapes.  no worries,  i paid
the $.23 to spring the tape from the slammer, and i will substitute 100 min
tapes for the shorter ones that were sent, but i hope this isn't the
beginning of a trend.  i will personally attribute it to
"too-much-on-the-brain-at-this-time-of-year."

so please, please...when requesting a boot, please be sure that you've
enclosed the right length tape and that both envelopes (the one you're
sending me and the one i will return to you) have the right amount of
postage!  if you're not sure about the tape length, ask again...it's ok!

flame me if you want, but it only slows down the process of getting your
tape to you...and i try to get all tapes out as soon as i get them in...ok?

ok, that's all.  i'm getting down off the box now....next?  (maybe you have
something to say today, susan?  go for it!)

joni  :o)

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subject:      re: early ig volume 2

in a message dated 96-12-05 17:58:19 est, amy wrote:

>features 19 tracks, the bulk of them being from the
>tuesday's children/b-band era.  sound quality is fabulous and
>these discs are not cd-r but on standard cd's and are $19.95


amy,

when you talk to perry see if he may consider re-releasing
volume 1 as a standard cd which would be swell.

also, can we expect a volume 3  and beyond?

michael  :-)

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subject:      boston???

all,

        any suggestions on shows/clubs to catch while in boston dec14-20?
i'll be the lost texas lister wandering around causing trouble <g>

                                tia, bdh

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subject:      dubbing tragedies, pt. 2 (nigc)

--- ms. joni , partner in crime wrote:

ok, that's all.  i'm getting down off the box now....next?  (maybe you have
something to say today, susan?  go for it!)
--- end of quoted material ---
recently, i got an envelope from a listee who wanted stuff dubbed and i opened
it to find that 2 of her 4 tapes were "mashed up and messed up" (as emily might
say). guess i have postmaster schwarzenegger on my route! but anyhoo, a word of
warning kids: leave the tapes in their cassette cases when you mail them, even
if they are in a padded envelope (as hers were)....damaged tapes are no fun! :(

back to my cave

susan

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subject:      re: why ellen morgan shouldn't come out (nigc)

okay, fine, ( huge disappointed sigh ) if she *has* to, ellen can stay in
the closet. ( knowing her she's tangled in a mess o' hangers and half way
into a too-tight something or other + if she ever *does* come out, it'll be
a well timed prat fall anyhow ) :-). ( i jest... i'd be thrilled if this
happens + i fully expect it to, especially after all the speculation on
shows like et etc and the reports of time change to later at night etc.). i
find ellen morgan to be totally endearing with all her uncertainty +
clutziness... wholly human + likeable... she loves people and is therefore a
positive addition to her community... i think she'd be a fine role model in
that light anyhoo... hey, i grew up with no visible role models, c'mon. and
if'n ellen has to wrestle with her new found sexuality ( long repressed, in
denial, or double lived?? i wonder which she'll be? ) she'll do it as sharee
said, with uncertainty... like the ellen morgan character ( not ellen
degeneres ) and that is way like a lot of closeted people.... *trust* me:-)
who says there's no strength in wishy washy???:) passive aggressive, but
visible, visible visible!!!!!!:) you cannot deny the existence of something
that is there + in your face... one more step towards acceptance.... ummm,
achem...
peace y'all, kim, ( who is off to finish washing walls, to the beat of her
favorite ig tunes, in her empty "old" house so's she can settle into her
cozy "new" place + never go back there again... ) oh, and kim in van????
i'll post ya later... thanx:-)
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
"don't tell me i'm burning the candle
at both ends... tell me where to get
more wax!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
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date:         fri, 6 dec 1996 09:54:22 -0600
reply-to:     susanna kwan <skwan@midway.uchicago.edu>
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from:         susanna kwan <skwan@midway.uchicago.edu>
subject:      re: early ig volume 2
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michael asked:
>when you talk to perry see if he may consider re-releasing
>volume 1 as a standard cd which would be swell.
>
>also, can we expect a volume 3  and beyond?
>

actually, i did ask perry this and he said "levees" part one and the ep and
more will be released again in the spring (don't know exactly when...)
both of these will be sold for 19.95


plus...he said volume 3 is in the works...but doesn't know when that will be
available.

--sue (with the flu...)

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date:         fri, 6 dec 1996 12:27:08 -0400
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hello all!

please let me take a moment to clear up some things about levees that break
in my heart.

when we took orders for the limited run (there were 50 numbered copies & 11
promos), we tried to remember to offer everyone the less expensive version.
if we forgot, please accept our apology and this offer -- return your
limited edition copy for full credit toward the $19.95 version or for full
refund.  we always offer a full refund if you're not happy with merchandise
you buy from rdr (refunds include shipping and handling costs).

we do expect to see a re-release of volume 1 for $19.95 sometime in the
spring.  and yes, we've heard a volume 3 is in the works.  a limited run
will be offered for $34.95 and then a mass-produced version for $19.95.
why get the more expensive one?  it will be available before the
mass-produced version and fewer will be made.

who's making money off these darn things!?  i don't know. i suspect there
is no windfall profit being made at any stage of the projects.  like many
"unofficial" cds, they're probably made by fans who barely break even or
actually loose money.  the important thing is to get the material out
there.  do i make money on them?  yes, i do.  i make my standard mark-up
and no more.  i am, after all, a capitalist.  what do i do with the money i
make?  some of it goes back into the community to support local artists and
some goes to a favorite local charity of mine.  some goes into my own
pocket to pay the utility bills and rent!

one finaly comment on these cds -- if i thought amy or emily objected to my
selling them, i would not sell them.  i do know for a fact that emily and
amy know about them.

if you have any questions at all, please email me privately at

rainy@rainy.com

or call our toll free number (1-800-636-6166).  thanks for your time and
your support over the years!

peace,
perry
rainy day records

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date:         fri, 6 dec 1996 13:00:11 -0500
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subject:      pooh--nigc

sorry to waist space, but would pooh please write to me!!!

thanks--tucker


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date:         fri, 6 dec 1996 13:05:22 -0400
reply-to:     shanna freeman <sfreeman@coe.uga.edu>
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subject:      nigc: art garfunkel

from the barenaked ladies' "if i had a $1000000":

if i had a million dollars
i would be you some art
a piccaso or a garfunkel

okay, that's all. =)

peace,

shanna...a very crazy chick to be sure! ;)

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subject:      re: feminist igs anis and dars

in a message dated 96-12-05 17:57:52 est, you write:

<< who is more of a feminist
in their music:  dar williams, the indigo girls, or ani?  c'mon susan, i
know you have an opinion on this one.   : ) >>

they are all equal....noooo wait...i think ani is a wee but more agressively
feminist, i just say that because she tends to point out the existing flaws
in our society...but dar makes a strong statement in her own way which is
different.... "when i was a boy" to me, is one of the strongest feminist...
or maybe humanist statements i've heard....and ig....weeeellll....they seem
to
come from a place where equality of humans is a given.
so i guess it depends on your definition of exactly what feminism
is.

(do i get credit for that one ?)
binky
(who went to the opening of a group art show i was in last night and felt
hopelessly passe' and out of place among the trendy seattle art crowd
so i guess nothing is new :)

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subject:      re: rumors

<tom wrote....>

<<kam wrote:
>
> amy is currently a single woman, for you amy ray fans!

i don't think it would do *me* any good, though.  *sigh*

tom
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tomcat >>

i'll add my name to that list, too! ...don't think it'll do me any good
either

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date:         fri, 6 dec 1996 12:37:59 -0600
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subject:      on ellen's "coming out"  (nigc)

okay, so i've been slightly bombarded with discerning opinions.

i'd just like to defend myself.

i am no different than most...i would _love_ to watch ellen come out of
the closet.  i've been waiting patiently for years... but this
anticipation for me draws an analogy...  imagine dating a person to whom
you are really attracted to...and the eagerness of the first kiss is upon
you.  nothing is better than that moment when you know it's going to
happen after all the waiting...  but isn't there a let down period
afterward... the anticipation is gone...

we all _know_  ellen morgan is a lesbian.  i just think it would be a
minor slap in the face to our intellegence to pound us over the head with
a concrete admission of the fact.   i mean, really, isn't this rather fun?
we all keep track of the jokes, and we all watch each week to see how
ellen is going to fumble through this period...

all i'm stating is that after melissa came out, i began to look at
alternative routes regarding how i view my own role models...


not defensive,
only explaining,
sharee

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subject:      nigc- ani photo

well i was leafing through the latest
issue of us mag and there was this
gorgeous foto of ani.. they were profiling
what they considered the new up and coming
women's bands... highly recommended for the wall
not to mention two great articles of kevin spacey
and ralph fiennes.. my two of my
favorite actors (ok, you dint need to know that,
but that was the only reason i was leafing)
anjeanette.. who will try not to post any more nigc for awhile
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subject:      which leeds in particular?
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> hate to ask a silly question but ...
>
> is the leeds emily refers to her song, the one in england?

yes :) the song was written about/during the  may/june 1994 uk tour.

sharon.... the brit abroad who will be home for christmas.

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on fri, 6 dec 1996 jennings_sharon/furman@furman.edu wrote:

> yes :) the song was written about/during the  may/june 1994 uk tour.
>
> sharon.... the brit abroad who will be home for christmas.

welcome back :)   (in advance ...)

i don't think it could have been written during that tour, or else it has
been majorly re-written.   did you notice that it makes reference to the
church-burning spree which hit the south a few months back?   that hadn't
started by may 1994.   (at least i didn't miss anything when i saw them in
november 1994!)

mat

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subject:      more post office problems, part 3

alrighty,  just to jump on the soapbox along with susan and joni, i wanted
to add this.

when you send someone a blank tape in a sase to get a boot from someone,
please do not use the printed stamps from the post office,  you know, the
ones that they print up right there in the post office, that say $1.01, or
whatever. don't do it!!!  nooooo!  please use stamps!!!  i have had
problems with the printed ones, cause they are dated, and if they are not
used on that date, the post office won't take them (well, sometimes they
will, it depends on if the post office person is the nice lady or the scary
lady)  but anyway,  i keep having the shell out postage to get the boots
back to the person, and i didn't mind the first couple times, but i'm the
poor starving artist type, and i can't afford to keep doing this, okay?
thanks.  now back to something happier.

peace, love, and susan,

        sundara<-- who woke up really grumpy, so she drank lots of coffee, and
                now is all jittery and having hot flashes, but incredibly
                cheerful

"i aim to please the girlies"
        -me, impersonating emily

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subject:      re: why ellen morgan shouldn't come out (nigc)
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speaking of this, and yes, ch-ching, for a total of 2 pennies, i think she
should come out, didn't you guys love the hint this week?  it was almost
too obvious.  like she said it, but then _pretended_ she was talking about
therapists.  when she said the therapist part, i groaned and slammed down
whatever i was holding in my hand (i think it was a catalog for gift boxes
of chocolate and nuts--not that that matters)

=) love y'all

oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
                __-----__o
               /       o \
              |      woo  |             marianne l. barlow
              (     a     )             mlb1@axe.humboldt.edu
              |     |\    |
               \__  | |__/        "i'll be the first to praise the sun,
                  ~~|  >           the first the praise the moon,
                   .===.           the first to hold the lone coyote,
                   |\ /|           the last to set it free."
                   | ' |   |\            --indigo girls
                  _|    \_/  |
                 (____)_____/
oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

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from:         sundara <smurphy@ups.edu>
subject:      more pnw party stuff...

hey everyone,  could you please get back to me asap if you have a date
preference, so far the votes are 4 for the 15th and 2 for the 14th.  i'm
gonna make the final date tomorrow, so let me know.

and, could you all write marianne barlow (the lone coyote)  and beg her to
come up from california for the party.  hee hee.  she's thinking about it,
so maybe if we all write and beg, she'll come.  her email is
mlb1@axe.humboldt.edu

thanks :)

peace, love, and susan,

        sundara<-- who woke up really grumpy, so she drank lots of coffee, and
                now is all jittery and having hot flashes, but incredibly
                cheerful

"i aim to please the girlies"
        -me, impersonating emily

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from:         marianne barlow <mlb1@axe.humboldt.edu>
subject:      nigc--pacific nw party plea

okay, everyone, y'all know where i live, because i've whined about it
before.  here's my plea:  i want to go to sundara's house and party with
the pacific nw listers, however i am in the farthest south reaches of the
pnw, and it's at least an 11 hour drive.  is there anyone from eugene or
portland or somewhere in between eureka and tacoma who wants to go who
would be willing to have me come fall into their car after having driven
6-8 hours already?  did that make sense?  let me know, please, please,
please, i wanna get out of here!

did i mention that's the weekend before finals for me?  hee, i'm insane in
the membrane (sorry for that gross un-igc musical [semi-musical]
reference)

love youse

oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
                __-----__o
               /       o \
              |      woo  |             marianne l. barlow
              (     a     )             mlb1@axe.humboldt.edu
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               \__  | |__/        "i'll be the first to praise the sun,
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                   |\ /|           the last to set it free."
                   | ' |   |\            --indigo girls
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from:         deb reiser <debbie@mei.com>
subject:      re: which leeds in particular?

mat wrote:
>i don't think it could have been written during that tour, or else it has
>been majorly re-written.   did you notice that it makes reference to the
>church-burning spree which hit the south a few months back?   that hadn't
>started by may 1994.   (at least i didn't miss anything when i saw them in
>november 1994!)

at hampton beach emily said that she started the song while in england (on
the tour sharon mentioned), put it away, and then finished it this year. no
wait, didn't she write it in a journal (during the tour sharon mention) and
then missplaced the journal, found the journal and then finally finished it
this year? my rememberer is failing me, but it's one of those two things
and she mentioned it at hb.

deb

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from:         sundara <smurphy@ups.edu>
subject:      re: which leeds in particular?

>at hampton beach emily said that she started the song while in england (on
>the tour sharon mentioned), put it away, and then finished it this year. no
>wait, didn't she write it in a journal (during the tour sharon mention) and
>then missplaced the journal, found the journal and then finally finished it
>this year? my rememberer is failing me, but it's one of those two things
>and she mentioned it at hb.
>
hmmm, i thought she said she had lost it in her day planner or journal or
something, then someone sent the journal(or whatever) back to her, and the
song was still in it.  i don't know if she finished it then or if it was
already finished.  anyway,  i suppose i could go home and listen to my
boots and see.  anyone else have a theory on this?

peace, love, and susan,

        sundara<-- who woke up really grumpy, so she drank lots of coffee, and
                now is all jittery and having hot flashes, but incredibly
                cheerful

"i aim to please the girlies"
        -me, impersonating emily

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from:         tiffiny davis coffey 941 625 9000 <coffeyt1@mail.firn.edu>
subject:      early "must-have boots" wanted

really really really want copies of "tuesday's children", "color me grey", "blue
flood", and/or "live at the purple parrot"...unfortunately, all i could offer
for trade right now would be blanks, unless you wanted a tom petty show that i
got in germany  from his into the great wide open tour.

whaddayasay, help a new boot collector out?  --tiffiny

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subject:      nigc -- jude hunter !!!

jude hunter:

pls email me asap, thanks!

melissa

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from:         sundara <smurphy@ups.edu>
subject:      sad news from me...

well,  as much as i'm trying to deny it,  i wanted to let everyone know
that i will probably be signing off the list mid-december.  i am getting
kicked off my school account  (they do that when you graduate)  and as of
now, i don't have my own computer, so no email for me.  sad, so sad.  i'm a
little panicky, cause i'm gonna miss you all.  i'm trying to work something
out, but i can't be sure of what will happen computer-wise.  anyway,  i
just wanted to ask everyone who is sending me blanks to be taped, to try
and get them out to me asap,  cause i'd like to try to get them all done
before i loose email access.  then if there are any problems, i can get a
hold of you.  if you can't, no biggie,  i'm not moving from my current
address till feb, so i'll still be there if you want to send me blanks,
it'll just be easier if you get them too me soon.  okay, thanks!

peace, love, and susan,

        sundara<-- who woke up really grumpy, so she drank lots of coffee, and
                now is all jittery and having hot flashes, but incredibly
                cheerful

"i aim to please the girlies"
        -me, impersonating emily

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subject:      my plea

     imagine this...your new to the list and you decide to make an entry.
you say something "wrong" and have to spend the next week signing on and
going thru your e-mail noticing that it is overflowing with people on
soap-boxes standing against you.
doesn't sound fun?  well, this is my problem.  yes, i am the person that made
that "12 yr. old" comment that you are all in a rage about of late, but if i
could say my piece for just a moment i'll be out of your hair.
      number one, i apologize to all who i upset.  but is anyone out there
open to the possibility that i the age thing wasn't even my point and though
i probably should have explained at the time, i do have reasons for feeling
protective of my music.  maybe i'm not the big bad wolf.  music is one of the
only ways i can truly express what i really feel.  all the pain i can't
handle flows through me through my music and to have anyone disrespect it or
dishonor it i can't help but feel disrespected myself.
therefore the ever offensive comment i made was a short comment on the times
a song that helped me get through the pain in my life was trivialized by
those around me laughing at my"dyke music", etc.  you may not understand but
it does bother me when music is turned loose on the mainstream because i feel
like it can be open for more disrespect.  when a song speaks to me as an
expression of who i am, i am selfish and risking it is risking a part of me.

     the point of this note is to ask everyone to give me a break and give
the age topic a rest, for my sake.  if i have some how offended you all
again, then i'm sure you'll be sure to let me know and i'll get off your
list.  i just wanted you to think about the possibility that i am a person.
i'm sorry i pissed so many people off but i really am a good person whether
anyone cares or not.  i just can't stand to check my mail box every day only
to find people essentially talking about how ignorant i am.   i am far from
ignorant--don't judge me unless you care to take the time to know me.

thanks for your time,

nickie

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date:         fri, 6 dec 1996 16:26:04 +0700
reply-to:     joanne <indigo@kirk.anderson.edu>
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from:         joanne <indigo@kirk.anderson.edu>
subject:      emory university - not really igc

        the only reason this is kinda igc is 'cause amy and emily went
there.  but that's all.

        i was just wondering if anyone in georgia (or anywhere else for that
matter) could tell me about the graduate programs in nursing (msn) and
business (mba) at emory.  i have information from the school, but it's a lot
of pr.  does anyone have any personal experience they can share?  my fiance
(sorry, no accent key) and i are looking into moving down (warmth! sun!) and
are very excited.

        please e-mail me privately (of course).

joanne

"indigo girls? huh? is that, like, a book?"
                     - really stupid guy who asked me where i get such
"weird" quotes

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date:         fri, 6 dec 1996 16:56:55 -0500
reply-to:     katherine grant <katherine.grant@yale.edu>
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from:         katherine grant <katherine.grant@yale.edu>
subject:      on dubbing, tape trees & all that...

since i have gotten a few very generous offers from "oldies" (is that the
opposite of newbies?) to helpme get started w/ tapes, i was hoping to
pass on the good fortune in the coming months, but i have a question:

what sort of components do most people use when they dub for others?  i
have a pretty nice box (has graphic equalizer, pitch control etc.), but i
wondered if most dubbers use more "serious" equiptment that minimizes the
snowball effect of distortion and noise that most boots seems to have.  i
just want to make sure i'd be maintaining quality control... thanks :-)
kate

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date:         fri, 6 dec 1996 17:03:27 -0500
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from:         galileo <tbranham@richmond.edu>
subject:      re: on ellen's "coming out"  (nigc)

this thread has really been interesting, so i thought that i might add my
thoughts:)

i have to agree with everyone who has said that ellen should come out of the
closet.  what a great thing to have a positive community for all of the
people who are struggling themselves.  there are so many younger people who
discover who they really are, and then feel so helpless about the worlds
views that many of them decide not to go through life at all.  anything will
help young and old viewers.  straight and gay.  maybe this will also help
bring the straight and narrow community to their senses:)

anyway, i think that it would be a great thing for the closet to be cleaned!!!:)
mho--tucker


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because you'd cry your eyes out
if you didn't
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from:         galileo <tbranham@richmond.edu>
subject:      virus alert virus alert (fwd)

sooooooooo sorry to send this to all of you, but i don't want to take the
chance of anyones hard drive crashing...

so sorry...tucker

>
>
>urgent message
>
>if you receive an e-mail message with the subject line deeyenda do not
>read the message and delete it immediately.  repeat--do not read.
>do not download the file--get rid of it.
>it has a virus that will rewrite your hard drive obliterating anything on
>it.
>the nature of this virus is extremely dangerous.  it performs a
>comprehensive search of your hard drive.  it is virtually undetectable.
>it is most likely to invade computers with windows '95.
>
>send this to all of your friends.  this directive came from the computer
>people at ford's central computer center in detroit.
>so, get the word out and beware!!!  this is not a joke.  at least it
>better not be--dad woke me up to send this message to you.  he is
>concerned about your computer and all others at owu.
>
>be extremely cautious!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>
>
>

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from:         janet <jrauscher@agnes.agnesscott.edu>
organization: agnes scott college
subject:      ellen -nigc

i don't think i realized why i want ellen to come out until i read we
_know_  ellen morgan is a leasbian...well, sure, we know it but does
most of america know it...i think not.  (can't you just see the newt
supporters sitting with a bud lite and saying, "that ellen, she's so
funny, she never does meet the right man"?  wouldn't her coming-out
open up their eyes?)
but, is itjust me or does anyone else find all of the hype and
interviews about the whole thing contrary to the good in her
coming-out?  the whole point, to me, is to make everyone see just how
normal gay people are, and how we are in their lives everyday, and i
think that all the attention about it is bad.  it makes it a good pr
money thing for the producers and not the attempt at showcasing
diversity that it really ought to be.
getting off my soapbox,
janet

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subject:      re: on ellen's "coming out"  (nigc)
x-to:         galileo <tbranham@richmond.edu>
in-reply-to:  <199612062203.raa12006@pinstripe.urich.edu>

okay, since i started this thread, i'm going to go out further on a limb
and state my case further.

<<disclaimer>>

i am all for positive gay role models.  don't get me wrong.  i am not all
that pleased that the only role models i had to look up to during my
formative years was martina... (although she's a pretty swell lesbian!)

<<on the limb>>

isn't it _obvious_ that ellen is a lesbian, especially with all the recent
underlying "coming
out" jokes??   if it's already obvious, what's the point in having her say
"i am gay"?  i think it's funnier this way.  in fact, i prefer it this
way.  that's all i'm saying.

<<one more thing>>

i think it is far more imperative that the writers stay true to ellen's
charecter than if they attempt to make her a "role model."   and imho, i
don't see ellen morgan as a person really capable of committing to any
admission of any sort... (other than that she's anti-hunting)   ")


just a few more  $0.02  worth
from your friend of the north,
shari.

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subject:      re: sad news from me...
x-to:         sundara <smurphy@ups.edu>
in-reply-to:  <v01530518aecdcbd7311d@[192.220.223.119]>

sundara you do not need to sign off the list this goes for anyone needing
a account all you need ot to call juno or go to http://www.juno.com and
get their software its a free internet email box as long as you have a
puter at home you can get the list from your juno
account!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! yes it is worth screaming about
need mroe info write me personally<g<>

on fri, 6 dec 1996, sundara wrote:

> well,  as much as i'm trying to deny it,  i wanted to let everyone know
> that i will probably be signing off the list mid-december.  i am getting
> kicked off my school account  (they do that when you graduate)  and as of
> now, i don't have my own computer, so no email for me.  sad, so sad.  i'm a
> little panicky, cause i'm gonna miss you all.  i'm trying to work something
> out, but i can't be sure of what will happen computer-wise.  anyway,  i
> just wanted to ask everyone who is sending me blanks to be taped, to try
> and get them out to me asap,  cause i'd like to try to get them all done
> before i loose email access.  then if there are any problems, i can get a
> hold of you.  if you can't, no biggie,  i'm not moving from my current
> address till feb, so i'll still be there if you want to send me blanks,
> it'll just be easier if you get them too me soon.  okay, thanks!
>
> peace, love, and susan,
>
>         sundara<-- who woke up really grumpy, so she drank lots of coffee, and
>                 now is all jittery and having hot flashes, but incredibly
>                 cheerful
>
> "i aim to please the girlies"
>         -me, impersonating emily
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subject:      mapped lyrics

hi,
i was just wondering if anyone has the lyrics to the new songs such as the
ones that are on the "mapped" tape that sundara made (thank you
sundara!!!).  if any kind person out there has them and wouldn't mind
sending them to me i would appreciate it for the rest of my life.  thanks.
keep on groovin',
ryan
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"i said love will come to you
hoping just because i spoke
the words that they're true."
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subject:      my recruit of the week

hi beautiful wonderful friends!  i just came from talking to a friend of
mine named david who has expressed interest about the list.  i assumed he
was a big fan.  i was telling him about how the list really is so he
wouldn't be overwhelmed if he decides to sign on, and i mentioned the
thread about a&e's hairstyles, because that's what made my friend stacey
sign off, and he said "who's amy and emily?"  hheeeeheee hee he's so cute.
he has potential to be a wonderful fan, he just needs to be more informed.
he only has nis, so i invited him over to listen to the rest of the
wonderful music, which could take until new years with all the boots
included....so anyway, i'm excited, cuz i might be bringing another newbie
to y'all.....more later!

love everyone!

oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
                __-----__o
               /       o \
              |      woo  |             marianne l. barlow
              (     a     )             mlb1@axe.humboldt.edu
              |     |\    |
               \__  | |__/        "i'll be the first to praise the sun,
                  ~~|  >           the first the praise the moon,
                   .===.           the first to hold the lone coyote,
                   |\ /|           the last to set it free."
                   | ' |   |\            --indigo girls
                  _|    \_/  |
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oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

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from:         kirsten chevalier <kirsten@spike.wellesley.edu>
subject:      re: virus alert virus alert (fwd)
x-to:         tbranham@richmond.edu
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              dec 6, 96 5:13 pm

no no no no no a thousand times no.

repeat after me: "the only way that a virus can spread via e-mail is if the
e-mail contains an executable program or a word document, i download, decode,
and decompress the file, it contains a virus, and i open it on my personal
computer. warnings that viruses can spread via plaintext email are bogus.
never ever ever spread virus alerts. remember, just because i read something
doesn't mean it's true."

kirsten

    "its for real. its an opportunistic self-replicating email virus
     which tricks its host into replicating it, sometimes adding as many
     as 200,000 copies at a go. it works by finding hosts with defective
     parsing apparatus which prevents them from understanding that a
     piece of email which says there is an email virus and then asking
     them to remail the message to all their friends is the virus
     itself."--clay shirky


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professors who had at least one pair of birkenstock sandals."--robin wright

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     true, maybe amy will connect with me so much that we'll just have to
settle down together and have children. here's dreamin'.....
ben

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subject:      love's recovery...trying again........

hey ya'll............

i will now be able to post what i wanna post, cuz the server is fixed.....

the sequel to my angst ridden post walks this beaten ig path.......

i told the man i love that i loved him....actually, a few weeks back, i blurted
out that i liked him at 5:45 in the morning, because i promised myself that
i would say it before the sun came up.....and since that time, the subject has
not been brought up...until the other night.

"during the time of which i speak, it was hard to turn the other cheek, to the
blows of insecurity....fedding the cancer of my intellect, the blood of love
soon neglected, lay dying in the stength of it's impurity....."

i felt so neglected.  i opened my mouth, and said "i like you, i like you a
lot," and i got no response from him.  i think it was easier for him to ignore
what was placed before him than to acknowledge it.  so the other night, i
brought it up, and i said, "i like you so much...i would even think it was
safe to say that i probably love you...." and he said that he didn't know how
to respond.  i asked him how he felt, and he told me he needed time to think
about it.......

"meanwhile our friends, who think they're so together, they've all gone and
left each other, in search of fairer weather, and we sit here in our storm, and
drink a toast, to the slim chance of love's recovery.........."

he has so many friends, so many, who are not in relationships....who are
grown men who feel the need to be children at times.  loving, caring men, who,
would make wonderful, caring partners...but they feel this need to search for
eternal youth, or to avoid committment.....i never thought he was one of those
men, which is why i love him so......so i sit by, and feel the thunder clouds
engukf my heart, and raise a toast to the fact that his own fears that he
has, coupled with the surrounding fear of all of his friends, may very well
be the thing that prevents us from happening......

"there i am in younger days, star gazing, painting a picture perfect mask, of
how my life and love would be, not counting the unmarked path of misdirection,
my compass, faith, and love's perfection, i missed a million miles of road i
should've seen......"

so hear i sit, on a friday evening....he's gone to buffalo with a couple of
friends for the evening, and twenty minutes ago, a nice guy i met a few months
ago called me and asked me to go out to dinner.  he has told me in the past
couple weeks that he likes me, thinks i am beautiful, and would love to date
me seriously........but he isn't the man i love, nor do i think i could ever
love him.  he is a great friend, but i am not attracted to him.....am i just
on the unmarked path of misdirection?  i feel many days that i am....that i
am missing thousands of miles of things that i would see if i weren't on this
path of loving someone who is so scared of committment.  he told me he wasn't
sure he was ready for a serious relationship the other night....he told me
he still needed time for himself, to be something for him before he could be
something for me......  but what am i missing, if anything, while i wait?

i hope one day i can finish the rest of the lyrics to this gorgeous song, and
be able to say that i let this love survive and had it be the greatest give
that i ever gave him.....but at this time, with my life and his life taking
pitfalls and dives in and out of each other's hearts, i don't know if i ever
will be able to......

thanks for listening..
love and peace-
karrie

ps.  special thanks to pooh for the past 36 hours of sanity she has bestowed on
me!  honey filled kisses to you through cyberspace!
0 0
>
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from:         verdi@imap2.asu.edu
subject:      re: ig on bbc tomorrow
x-to:         tomas fiala <tomas.fiala@pedf.cuni.cz>
in-reply-to:  <199612061056.ab25817@dec59.ruk.cuni.cz>

    if you make a post like this be prepared for 10,000 people asking you
to make tapes for them. so don't you know it, i'm one of em'. so, if
someone over here in the states gets a hold of this tape could you make a
copy of it for me? please? i'm begging?
ben

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date:         fri, 6 dec 1996 17:22:12 -0500
reply-to:     "peter a. barta" <bartap@bulldog.georgetown.edu>
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from:         "peter a. barta" <bartap@bulldog.georgetown.edu>
subject:      re: virus alert virus alert (fwd)
x-to:         galileo <tbranham@richmond.edu>
in-reply-to:  <199612062213.raa12280@pinstripe.urich.edu>

it's a hoax. e-mail cannot carry a virus. this si the oft-exposed "good
times" virus with a different name.


peter a. barta
bartap@bulldog.georgetown.edu


"everything that i believe,             "i want to live as an honest man,
crawls from underneath the streets.      to get all i deserve,
everything i truly love,                 and to give all i can,
comes from somewhere high above."        and to love a young woman
                                         that i don't understand."
                        - amy ray
                                                - suzanne vega

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from:         susanna kwan <skwan@midway.uchicago.edu>
subject:      question of the day....

hiya fellow indigals and indiguys!

i've been listening to a lot of boots lately (thanks to you kind poeple) and
i was wondering.............

out of the new ig songs that we know of so far, which song do you think will
be released as the first single off the new album???

i have a funny feeling it will be "get out the map" (for obvious reason and
more)...but then again, it would be nice to hear "shame on you" on the radio
(if ig would ever get played in chicago)...hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.  what do you think??

oh, btw, if this question has been posed before, sorry -- i've only been on
this list since late october. :)

later y'all!  [i'd probably get shot for saying "y'all in chicago :)]

--sue

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reply-to:     dperham@bbn.com
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from:         david perham <dperham@bbn.com>
organization: bolt baranek & newman
subject:      honor the earth--unsolicited mail (nigc)

this is for whoever it was who was "kind" enough to snailmail me the
honor the earth solicitation for funds.
interestingly enough, this unsolicited solicitation arrived within a
couple of days of my first post to this list--obviously, i made a
mistake by including a tag-line with my snail-mail address in my
post--which i've done again, this time deliberately, so that perhaps
you (whoever you are) will remember, and recognize it.
first off, let me say that i have nothing against the honor the earth
campaign, per se; and this post has nothing to do with the merits of
hte or it's goals.  if someone wants to discuss this topic, i'd be
more than happy to do so, privately.
what i am against is spam in all it's forms, electronic, telephonic,
or postal.
joining or posting to a mailing list is not an invitation for spamming
(at least it isn't supposed to be).
ok, so i got one piece of mail, i can handle it--but what i don't
want to handle--and didn't ask to handle, is having my name placed on
some charitable organization's mailing list(s), and then traded around
such that i'll be getting more crap of a similar nature in the future,
ad nauseum.
so please, whoever you are, i ask you to ensure that this doesn't
happen.

for everyone else, sorry about the bw....

--
violence is never the solution, unless you can hire
expensive lawyers and pay them with the proceeds of
your book.
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subject:      re: virus alert virus alert (fwd)
x-to:         galileo <tbranham@richmond.edu>
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about the virus,

        please do not freak out ok.  some easy thing's to know about
these viruses that are being sent out.  #1 ok if you are useing a mac,
only about a hand's worth of viruses can effect your system =) next if
you own a dos sytem, well  you do have more to worry about.  dos system's
are easily infected. 3rd.. you can get a virus by opening up your email,
this is impossible, you can only get a virus if you open the attactched
application with in the mail.  if you have a virus detection program, and
you are not sure about the application with in your e-mail, then run a
virus check on the item inside the mail.  if there is a virus detected,
throw it away, and you are safe!  if you would like to do me a favor and
send me a gift, then you can save the mail, and send it to me.  just
copie it onto your floppy disk =) and send it to me i collect them for my
own study. ( i don't know maybe i am twisted) haha

        alll in all you are goign to get viruses with many new name's and
you can not warn everyone about them or you would be over your head.
just open the mail, and if you have some suspision about the application
inside (for example: run me) do not run it with out checking it with your
virus protection program.  virus detection programs are always updateing,
and so are viruses! that is why i sudjest making sure that you fallow up
on you virus system and keep it updated...other wise, you may not detect
the virus.

bye for now, enjoy!
scott (in alaska)
assms6@uaa.alaska.edu

send your infected virus mail, on a floppy disk to me at:

7335 timothy cir. #4
anchorage, alaska
99502

thank you =)

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date:         fri, 6 dec 1996 18:28:55 -0500
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subject:      virus

hey yall, sorry that i waisted space about that, but i never know what is
true and what isn't!!!:)

anyway, now i know  better!:)

thanks, and sorry about that!:)
tucker


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date:         fri, 6 dec 1996 18:37:11 -0500
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subject:      nigc....tucker

sorrry for the waste of bw fellow indigo heads, but tucker if you're out
there, e-mail me privately or call you poo-poo head.
                          later, trek

"iwent to the mountain....ig"

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subject:      map

i was wondering if anyone out there could help me out with some of the
lyrics and if possible guitar chords/tab to the new songs... thanks in
advance...
mary

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subject:      re: virus alert virus alert (fwd)

>if you have a virus detection program, and
> you are not sure about the application with in your e-mail, then run a
> virus check on the item inside the mail.  if there is a virus detected,
> throw it away, and you are safe!

not all viruses can be detected. virus detecters can't detect a new virus
that isn't in the detecion program. so if you get a new virus, and have a
detector that is older than the virus is, it won't identify it as being a
virus.

hollie

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subject:      re: which leeds in particular?

okay deb and anyone else, i went home and listened to the intro of leeds,
here's what i got

hampton beach "okay, we're gonna do it again, where is that chair y'all, ya
see that?  (remember, cute emily voice here)  o.k.  i wrote two songs on
piano.  this is the other one.  gotta make sure i'm sitting on the right
part of the bench.  this is actually a song i started...um...couple years
ago.  amy and i were in europe, at this particular time of this tour we
were in england in a town called leeds and it hadn't rained, i mean the sun
hadn't come out for about three weeks, which i don't know if y'all have
ever experienced that, but it's a physical sadness.  you miss the sun so
much, a lot was going on in my life, a lot of darkness and this is all
about that"  (then there was the guy screaming and she told security not to
take him out)

philly   "i started this song when amy and i were in england a couple years
ago, a very hard time and i wrote these words in this little franklin
planner and i lost the franklin planner in australia, and it got sent back
to me several months later and the words were still there.  so i sat down
and put it all together...(mumble mumble)...this song is called leeds for
those of you who don't know, it's a town in england"

bumbershoot  (this doesn't really pertain to much,  but i thought it was
cute anyway)  "(said sarcastically)  check-test...learning how to play the
piano...(not so sarcastic)  this is a song i started when we were playing
in a town called leeds...i was very very...the world was bleak"

so there ya go.  i listened to about four other intros to leeds, but they
were really short.  all you obssessed ones can go out and buy a franklin
planner..tee hee.

peace, love, and susan,

        sundara<-- who isn't leaving the list for another two weeks, so don't
                        be sad yet :)

"i aim to please the girlies"
        -me, impersonating emily

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subject:      im so worthless and weak (nigc)

--- you wrote:
<< who is more of a feminist
in their music:  dar williams, the indigo girls, or ani?  c'mon susan, i
know you have an opinion on this one.   : ) >>
--- end of quoted material ---
*sigh* my name is oh! susanna and i'm a post-aholic

there, i've said it. truth be told, if the word "feminist" appears in a post i
kinda feel pulled by the forces to respond. so if you wrote "what do y'all
think is the feminist symbolism in a box of kraft mac and cheese? " or "is
russell carter a feminist?" i'd probably have to respond. dang pals  of mine on
this list know me too well!!

its funny cause we were kinda having this discussion on the dar-list until it
got ugly. bottom line: i've decided that lots of people on the lil (lists i
love) have made up their minds about feminism, who represents it, who doesn't
and on and on. i am probably not going to change their mind. and i sure as hell
ain't the authority on what feminism is, except its the set of beliefs and
values that shape my life more than anything else i embrace (exception: faith,
and thats feminist too).

but i think i can speak this truth: dar, ani and the ig's music could all in
one way or another be labeled "feminist" both by feminists and non-feminists.
but ani and amy ray are the ones of the artists listed that have said  most
vehemently  (in so many words) "yes, i am a feminist" or "yes, i make
feminist/woman centered music" or "yes, i believe in the empowerment of women
through my music". so i don't think that it means that dar and emily are not
feminists, they just haven't stated it so explicitly. and i think we can guess
all we want about what their lyrics and music means, but unless they tell us
and articulate it for us, ours is only a "guess", yah?

on a personal side note: when i need a boost of women-centeredness, i listen to
ani. she's such a badass . i love amy and em and dar, but for other reasons. in
fact, i can't think of any ig songs that deal explicitly with women's
oppression (any differing thoughts on this?), so i guess that's my feel-good
music....

enough rambling. gotta run to a meeting.
i dig y'all, truly

susan

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>
> there, i've said it. truth be told, if the word "feminist" appears in a post i
> kinda feel pulled by the forces to respond. so if you wrote "what do y'all
> think is the feminist symbolism in a box of kraft mac and cheese? " or "is
> russell carter a feminist?" i'd probably have to respond. dang pals  of mine on
so what *is* the feminist symbolism in a box of kraft mac and cheese?
kirsten, imagining bad analogies about the shape of the noodles

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subject:      re: new lyrics (again)  "it's alright"

        hi y'all,

        there have been quite a few requests for the new lyrics and quite a
few new subscribers so i thought i would post them again, one at a time, to
the list tonight...it's going to take me a little while to get the most
recent versions out so be patient!!  and i'll preface the lyrics post by
saying that my interpretation usually comes from the most recent boot i have
(or in some cases a consensus) and that this is strictly unofficial (of
course!! <g>)...

        so here's the first installment and any disagreements/differences in
opinions please feel free to let me know!!

                take it easy,

                        jen
(btw, thanks to everyone along the way that has helped me compile the lyrics!!)


it's alright

        it's alright, forty days of rain
        my skin stretched out from the growin' pain
        it'd be nice to have an explanation
        but it's alright

        and it's alright if you hate that way
        you hate me cause i'm different
        you hate me cause i'm gay
        the truth of the matter come around one day
        it's alright

        i look at this life line stretched way all across my hand
        i look at the burned out empty, like a plague across the land
        and for everything i learned, there are two i don't understand
        that's while i'm still on a search
        through the weather strewn church
        i'm doing the best that i can
        and it's alright

        it's alright, though we worry and fuss
        we can't get over the hump, can't get over us
        seems easier to push than to let go and trust
        but it's alright

        when we get a little distant, some things get clearer
        give 'em space some hearts grow nearer
        i ran as hard as i could, still ended up here
        and it's alright

        well i look at this life line stretched way all across my hand
        i look at the fires of hatred
        burning up the bounty of this beautiful land
        and i know that i'm small in a way, but i know i'm strong
        and it's my thirst that brought me to the water
        i give it all up as she carries me on
        and it's alright

        and it's alright if i feel afraid
        my plans in pieces, my plans mislaid
        it's the will of the way
        the will of the way
        the will of the only way that could have brought me here today
        and it's alright

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subject:      nigc-to the weather god

oh weather god, please make it sunny tomorrow where i'm going to
be....please, please, pleeeeeease.  my sanity depends on it!!!!! i neeeeeed
to go to the mountains and if it rains (or snows) my sanity may be denied.
virginia is supposed to be warm and sunny, not wet and cold.  i go to u. of
richmond (just like tucker....i introduced her to the list although she
posts more than i do) and there aint much wilderness around these here
parts, as well as people who enjoy nature as much as i do.  but it just so
happens that i'm a hard core mountain biker.  there are some great places to
ride around here, but nothin beats the blue rifge mountains.  being a native
new jersyan, i dig the rocks and stumps not found locally in richmond, plus
the 3000 ft change in elevation from the beginnig to the end of the trail.
finals start next week and my buds and i need one last hurrah before we fry
our brains on such exams as bio, chem, organic, calc, etc. (yes, we are
currently science majors).  "we" refers to me and the guys.  there isn't one
girl on this entire campus who would even think about mountain biking
(except for tucker who would of she had the money).  i am free like a bird
on my bike.  that love hate relationship you have when you step out of the
car into 40 c weather in bike shorts soon changes five minutes into the ride
when you heart (and body) are soaring.  it all dissapates (sp?) into total
love.  any way, to the point, do any other ig-ers ride at all and if you do
and live in nj or va, please tell me.  and if you all have the time, please
pray to the weather gods for me :)

                            peace and happy riding,
                                 trek  (geee....how did i get that name?)

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date:         sat, 7 dec 1996 00:14:00 gmt
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from:         laura braslow <l.braslow@genie.com>
subject:      hi! (nigc)

hey, all. :)

i just joined this list, having been on the dar williams list for some
time, and thought it'd be nice if i made friends early, just in case i
happen to offend anyone later on.  <g>

while i'm writing, i would love to get a hold of some boots.  i don't know
how y'all do things around here, but if any boot traders could please mail
me i'd be eternally grateful.  :)

                                                    laura

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subject:      winthrop lyrics

winthrop

        when we get back to winthrop
        a few miles from the airport
        in a plastic chair on a deck where my friends live
        i watch the taking off airplanes
        i watch the ocean waves crashing
        and i know with all of this movement something's got to give

        down at the high tide
        passed down through the family
        the fishermen gather to complain about the catch
        they talk about time
        they talk about tides
        the pull of the moon and the deep night coffee black
        and i listen to them, and i listen to you
        and for everyone there is someone never coming back

        but for all that we've been through
        for all that we've promised
        your wayward direction seems insensible
        words fall off like breathless fish
        all flopping and scattered
        and hearts picked over deemed dispensible

        down at the high tide
        we're there for our last meal
        the broken loaves are still enough for all
        we talk about time
        and we talk about tides
        under the moon and the deep night coffee black
        i hear the dim roar of the last flight out
        and for someone there is someone never coming back
        we talk about time
        we talk about tides
        under the moon with the deep night coffee black

        i hear the dim roar of the last flight out
        and for someone there is someone never coming back

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subject:      cut it out lyrics

cut it out

        i'm sitting in a darkened (?) stairway
        you're down in the forty-eights
        i'm practicing politics
        you're practicing guitar and staying out late
        how'd we get so turned around?
        why did we make it so hard?
        i want to cut it out,  i'm tender
        give us something good to remember

        hey my, my, my rock star
        i saw your feet leave the ground
        you said, "all i want to be is loud"
        and i was, i was ushering your friends in
        i was, i was, i was trying to clear the aisles

        how'd you get so turned around?
        why did you make it so hard?
        i want you to cut it out, i'm tender
        give me something good to remember

        cut it out, cut it all out
        cut it out, cut it all out

        alaska in the summertime
        in the wintertime i'm free
        but the days get short, cold and wasted
        nowhere is warm enough for me

        baby, you tell me what happened?
        why did you make it so hard?
        i want to cut it out, you're tender
        give me something good to remember
                (this verse repeats with layered vocals and pronoun variations)

        cut it out. cut it all out, now
                (repeat until end, with layered vocals added in occassionally)

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subject:      chiapas bound lyrics

chiapas bound

        all the girls with anorexia are on the street tonight
        and the boys in the band think they look all right
        and i don't really know why i drove my car down congress avenue
        hoping to find you turning on the light.

        well you seem like a girl with the world on your side
        but then it's just a point of view
        and you know how quickly that can change too
        see i heard you were free or someone thinks you should be
        and i know just how that feels
        i thought maybe we could just talk for a while

        well they said that you go down to mexico
        i think that i might go there too
        but it's probably too late to find someone like you

        yeah it sounds really cool to be without a care
        in some southern town
        but i heard there's trouble down there
        if you're chiapas bound

        yeah it sounds really cool to be without a care
        in some southern town
        but i heard there's trouble down there
        if you're chiapas bound

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subject:      don't give that girl a gun lyrics

don't give that girl a gun

        she's got a case against me
        a jury of my peers
        and the rage of the righteous
        screaming in her ears
        i'm not dignified anymore
        can't say i didn't call
        when i say i love you
        she don't hear me anymore

        and don't give that girl a gun
        don't give that girl a gun
        she's already won, she's already won

        i made a bad connection
        she says i went astray
        i jumped ship, abandoned my post
        i didn't think i lost my way

        oh how the mighty fall
        you know i saw her crack a smile
        i don't got a chance for redemption
        she don't believe in the miracle mile

        take the first shot baby it'll be real clean
        i'm your girl, strong and mean.
        take the second shot baby it'll be real cold, because i'm your foe.

        and don't give that girl a gun
        i said don't give that girl a gun
        she's already won, she's already won

        i said hold me closer
        cause something's happening
        why can't we come together
        she said i doubt we ever will, ever will again

        i said, don't give that girl a gun
        i said now, don't give that girl a gun
        oh she's already won, she's already won

        take the first shot baby it'll be real clean
        cause i'm your girl, strong and mean.
        take the second shot baby it'll be real cold, because i'm your foe

        i said now, don't give that girl a gun
        i said now, don't give that girl a gun
        she's already won, she's already won

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subject:      hey kind friend lyrics

hey kind friend

        hey kind friend
        i don't know when i'll see you again
        on a ferry boat bound to victoria laying down to hide from the wind

        big dipper hanging over the city
        you know everything now is different for me
        ain't no use in explaining the scenery

        i said, hey kind friend, help me forget where i've been
        hey kind friend, remember who i am

        i was too late in spokane
        so i caught a ride through the cascade range
        i saw the sun die in olympia, running down on capital lake

        and i ask you for some relief
        and it's one true route that you bring to me
        at 3 am, it's good company

        i said, hey kind friend, help me forget where i've been
        hey kind friend, help me remember who i am
        hey kind friend, i don't know when i'm going to see you again
        it's okay friend, it's okay friend

        so i'll meet you in new orleans or i'll see you around
        i don't know if these highs will be coming down
        i said i'm calling you from a goldrush town

        i said, hey kind friend help me forget where i've been
        hey kind friend, help me remember who i am
        hey kind friend, i don't know when i'm going to see you again
        it's ok friend, it's ok friend
        i said it's ok friend, i'm ok friend

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subject:      get out the map lyrics

get out the map

        the saddest sight my eyes can see
        that big ball of orange sinking slyly down the trees
        sittin' in a broken circle while you rest upon my knee
        this perfect moment soon be leaving me

        suzanne calls from boston, the coffee's hot, the corn is high
        that same sun that warms your heart, will suck that good earth dry
        with everything its opposite enough to keep you cryin'
        or keep this whole world spinning with a twinkle in it's eye

        get out the map, get out the map and lay your finger anywhere down
        we'll leave the figurin' to those we pass on our way outta town
        don't drink the water, there seems to be somethin' ailing everyone
        i'm gonna clear my head, i'm gonna drink that sun
        i'm gonna love you good and strong while our love is good and young

        joni left for south africa a few years ago
        and then beth took a job all the way over on the west coast
        and me, i'm still trying to live half a life on the road
        heavier by the year
        heavier by the load

        why do we hurtle ourselves through every inch of time and space
        i must say around some corner i can sense a resting place
        with every lesson learned, a line upon your beautiful face
        we'll amuse ourselves one day with these memories we'll trace

        get out the map, get out the map and lay your finger anywhere down
        we'll leave the figurin' to those we pass on our way outta town
        don't drink the water, there seems to be somethin' ailing everyone
        i'm gonna clear my head, i'm gonna drink that sun
        i'm gonna love you good and strong while our love is good and young

        and i'm gonna clear my head, i'm gonna drink that sun
        i'm gonna love you good and strong while our love is good and young

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date:         fri, 6 dec 1996 21:00:36 -0500
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subject:      leeds lyrics

        i have to say kudos to sundara for posting the intros to this song
earlier this eveing (from the various boots)...this seems to be a special
song for emily...one that stayed with her even though the lyrics were lost
for awhile...and one of my personal new favorites of hers...

leeds

        it's dark at 4 pm in leeds
        the steeples pierce the skylight 'till the last of it bleeds
        the absent sound of another day as it recedes
        into the shadows
        until it's nothing

        fax paper slipped under the hotel room door
        like food for the prisoner or the prospect to the whore
        well-fed and halfway drunk, i ache (beg) myself for more
        until i'm shadows of myself
        until i'm nothing

        sixteen black churches burning on the tv
        all the way from texas to tennessee
        a politician locks my eye and says to me,
        there is no crisis here
        there's no conspiracy

        i crave inertia, every move made so i can stop
        whatever this madness is in me spinning like a top
        on a bed of anxiety over a deep dark drop
        it's down into nothingness
        into without-you-ness

        was it ever so, the evil creep like ivy
        i took a hold on the stronger half of nature's dichotomy
        beating back a path through nothing more than pure insistence
        until here becomes the distance

        hold my head love, i'm sick tonight
        find the open hole and press your fingers there with all your might
        before the last ounce of my spirit bleeds
        onto the pristine sheets
        of the hotel bed in leeds

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date:         fri, 6 dec 1996 21:12:14 -0500
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subject:      shame on you lyrics

        imho i hope this one is the first single out...i love the rythym and
the content...and i cannot wait to see the final lyrics on this song either!!


shame on you

        my friends they wash the windows
        and they shine in the sun
        they say wake up early in the morning sometime
        see what a beautiful job we've done

        i said let's put on some tunes
        sing-a-long and do a little all day
        go down to the riverside, take off our clothes (shoes)
        and wash these sins away

        and the river said, la la la, it said
        shame on you
        and the river said, la la la, it said
        shame on you

        i go down to chicano city park
        cause it makes me feel so fine
        and when the weeds go down
        you can see up close
        in the dead of the wintertime

        oh, when the summer comes everything's in bloom
        and you wouldn't know it's there
        and the white folks would like to pretend it's not
        but their music's in the air

        you can hear them singing, la, la, la, they said
        shame on you
        you can feel them dancing, la, la, la, they said
        shame on you

        my friend tanner she says, you know, me and jesus
        we're of the same heart
        the only thing that keeps us distant
        is that i keep fucking up

        i said come on down to chicano city park
        wash your blues away
        and when the beautiful ladies walk right by
        you know i never know what to say

        and now they're singing, ooh la, la, la...
        shame on you
        and now we're dancing, ooh la, la, la...they said
        shame on you
        shame on you

        let's go road-block tripping in the middle of the night
        up in gainesville town
        there'll be blue lights flashing down a long dirt road
        they ask me to step out

        they said we've been looking for illegal immigrants
        can we check your car
        i said you know it's funny
        i think you were on the same boat back in 1694

        and i said, ooh, la, la, la...
        shame on you
        and they'll be dancin,  ooh, la, la, la...
        shame on you...
        shame on you

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date:         fri, 6 dec 1996 21:23:47 -0500
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subject:      cara mia lyrics (mesa, az)

        i think these will probably be different when the album comes out in
the spring, but this is the latest version...<g>

cara mia

        cara mia
        a blank notebook and a backpocket faith
        you used to mock me sometimes
        i would cry when i was home later

        cause you hurt my feelings
        why, why, why?
        write it down in your notebook
        my wanna-be harriet the spy

        some say your genius
        is in your madness
        will you get better?
        and then will you leave us?

        how do things mix light and dark for you, such a tender young age
        till in your chemistry, science and violence, turn silence to rage

        why are you dreaming this?
        one shoe off and a bridge to cross over
        where is your taxi fare?
        are you left by yourself and left by your lover?

        for three nights straight now i've dreamed both of my shoes
        and i've forgotten my lines and i've misplaces my cues
        there's a sea full of faces and a show to go on
        i'm stuck near the entrance with nothing to draw from

        there were the secrets: the big bang and the bigger joke
        you seem to know all of them, and injustice makes you red with choke
        but you love like you're desperate
        you don't know what love is
        i thought if there was one thing i could give you, one thing i could
give you
        maybe it was this

        with your head on the bedboard
        the anguished repeats
        the sweat of our sadness
        the twist of the sheets

        i don't want the best for you
        cause where will i be when you've found it?
        i pray a lot about these bad feelings inside,
        but i can't pray my way through or around it

        why are you dreaming this?
        one shoe off and a bridge to cross over
        where is your taxi fare?
        are you left by yourself or left by your lover?

        for three nights straight i've dreamed i've kept both of my shoes
        but i've forgotten my lines and i've misplaced my cues
        there's a sea full of faces and a show to go on
        but i'm stuck near the entrance with nothing to draw from

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date:         fri, 6 dec 1996 21:29:35 -0500
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subject:      blood quantum

        i know this is not a part of the regular "demo" tour but i love this
song and the lyrics are not printed in the honor cd so i exercise my right
to post these "unofficial" lyrics as well...


blood quantum  (from honor1)

        you're standing in the blood quantum line
        with a pitcher in your hand
        poured from your heart into your veins
        you said i am, i am, i am

        now measure me, measure me
        tell me where i stand
        allocate my very soul
        like you have my land

        genocide
        genocide

        colonize, you christianize, you patronize, you advertise, you...we
love                 you genocide

        regulate, you assimilate, you appropriate, you...we love to hate you

        genocide (you are a man without a face, you're just a number on a page)
        genocide (you are a woman without a face, we'll just erase you)

        there you are a man without a face, you're just a number on a page
        there you are a woman without a face, we'll just erase you

        conscripted children, torn from truth, to the boarding school station
        force-fed the foreign tongue of fire, imprisoned education
        broken knowledge, pencil-scarred, spit-faced the scattered sage
        wisdom hidden deep within the rock outlives the pretty lies upon the
page

        genocide (how white the snowy graves)
        how red the blood terrain
        genocide (still pulsing with your dreams)
        above that stubborn stain

        (altro piece-"grandma easter's lullaby")

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from:         donna <donna2@unm.edu>
subject:      please don't boot daemon

someone wrote:
> you.  and who is interested in a copy of "jesus christ superstar" the
> daemon records version??

hey, i'm sure this offer was meant with all good intentions, but please
don't boot daemon stuff and therefore deprive amy's label, the artist,
and in this case, charities, of their share of the royalties.

here's what amy has to say about jcs (from the daemon catalogue):
"i've been overwhelmed by the success of jcs.  we've had several crazy
shows in atlanta, austin and seattle and the record continues to sell,
allowing us to raise much needed funds to help end gun violence and the
environmental conditions that lead to violence.  if you haven't heard
this yet or need a gift idea, please check it out.  jcs: a resurrection
is double length and available on cd and cassette"

daemon records
po box 1207
decatur, ga 30031

www.monsterbit.com/daemon/

a great double cd!!  and way worth it for about $15.

peace y'all,
donna

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subject:      remember everything i told you lyrics

        either the above title or "in it's own time"...still a powerful song
and i credit susan and jocelyn (new residents of atlanta) with helping me
out on this one!!!


remember everything i told you

        remember everything i told you
        keep it in your heart like a stone
        and when the winds that blow things 'round and back again
        what was once your pain will be your home

        all around the table the white-haired men have gathered
        spilling their sons' blood like table wine
        remember everything i told you
        everything in its own time

        the breeze that whispers you with urgency
        hold fast to that language-less connection
        the threat of lonely  was alone an unseen scene
        dangling from inside the fifth direction

        boys around the table, they're mapping out their strategies
        kings of mountains, one day dust
        a lesson learned, a loving god and things in their own time
        nothing more do i trust

        we owe nothing,  nothing is ours.
        not even love so fierce it burns like baby stars.
        but this poverty is our greatest gift.
        the weightlessness of us as things around begin to shift.

        remember everything i told you
        keep it in your heart like a stone
        and when the winds that blow things 'round and back again
        what was once your pain will be your home

        everything in its own time
        everything in its own time

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date:         fri, 6 dec 1996 18:42:26 -0900
reply-to:     scott m slone <assms6@uaa.alaska.edu>
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from:         scott m slone <assms6@uaa.alaska.edu>
subject:      re: virus
x-to:         galileo <tbranham@richmond.edu>
in-reply-to:  <199612062328.saa13526@pinstripe.urich.edu>

hey no worries (big smile)

you have a right to be cautious. after all you are the one who has to
re-do up your hard drive and system crap!  have a great day!
\,,/,
scott (in alaska)

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date:         fri, 6 dec 1996 18:46:53 -0900
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subject:      re: virus alert virus alert (fwd)
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hey hollie,

you are right thank you i forgot to say that (smile)  however if you have
a current update on your system virus check, then you can catch most of
them.  after all most of the viruses out there are recycled and have been
used. main point made to all you out there in the computer land. (smile)

thank you hollie, i did forget to say that (smile)
bye for now,
scott \,,/, in alaska.... -25 today!  yuck!!

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>
>         alaska in the summertime
>         in the wintertime i'm free
>         but the days get short, cold and wasted
>         nowhere is warm enough for me

hey you all,
        scott here, and can't i relate to these lyrics right now!  i
would seem that she know's what it is like in alaska this time of the
year.  our day's are getting shorter, and very cold -25 today and -30 is
expected tomorrow!
bye for now,
scott (in alaska) \,,/,

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date:         fri, 6 dec 1996 23:12:56 est
reply-to:     oh susanna <oh.susanna@dartmouth.edu>
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from:         "susan b. marine" <susan.b.marine@dartmouth.edu>
subject:      could you be any more of a badass?

--- you wrote:

peace, love, and susan,

        sundara<-- who isn't leaving the list for another two weeks, so don't
                        be sad yet :)

"i aim to please the girlies"
        -me, impersonating emily
--- end of quoted material ---


        ohhhh, why did you have to remind me? in 2 weeks you'll be gone! ohhhhh

okay, im not gonna think about it...

anyways sweetie, hope you are well. it is snowing buckets here...inches....feet
even. hell, i may be buried tomorrow! but probably not.

write me!

susan

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