lifeblood: listlogs: 1996-12b

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date:         fri, 6 dec 1996 23:04:58 -0600
reply-to:     ".eric" <edit@techie.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         ".eric" <edit@techie.com>
subject:      (nigc) virus alert.. mayday mayday...aarrgghhhhh!!!!!

sorry...i had to...please don't spam me...

beware*********beware*********beware*********beware

it may already be too late !!!!!!!!!

there is a new virus on the 'net. called "the end times virus" this nasty

program is spread via e-mail. it's the latest of a new strain of viruses

called "prions" which were developed by the nsa for international internet

security. prions aren't even computer viruses in the traditional

sense, rather they are a new kind of self-extracting, self executing

binhex algorithm which can bypass all known forms of computer security.

there is no defense.

what does "the end times virus" do?

the end times virus is spread via e-mail. every time you send mail to someone

through the 'net, it runs the risk of picking up a portion of "the end times

virus" code. when all parts of the virus are stored in a given system, the

program will self compile and self execute. "the end times virus" will then

begin an infinitely regressive binary loop, which will increase the

clock speed of your cpu. the net result of this increase in clock speed

will be an increase in the percieved passage of time.

how can i tell if "the end times virus" has infected my system?

the first clue will be when a task that used to take "x" amount of

time seems to take longer. things that haven't happened yet will then

begin to occur. eventually, the future will gradually merge with

the present, and then rapidly recede into the past. your computer

system will become obsolete at a much faster rate. your car will

depreciate in value. events, such as birthdays, weddings, vacations,

etc. which seemed to be far in the future will, before you know it, be over.

you will age rapidly, sometimes as much as 365 1/3 days per year!!

your children are not immune! they, too, will age rapidly, sometimes

even more rapidly than you. eventually the future, as you know it,

will cease to have meaning for you. it will become one with

the past, and, eventually, will run out all together.

what can i, as a concerned, thinking individual do about this threat to

our modern way of life?

there are a few steps you can take.

1) format your hard disk, without backing it up.

scientists have found that this is the only way to eliminate this

threat from infected systems.

2) get rid of your car! contact the e-mail address at the bottom

of this message, and highly trained technicians will come and

remove your car free of charge for proper disposal.

3) live for the moment!! it may be all you have left. nobody is

going to have fun for you anymore.

4) spread the word! let everyone you know hear about this threat, call

them, write to them, forward this message to them. get the word out!!

***note from eric: this is in fact sarcastic, if you didn't guess. it is pointing out some of the sillyness of worrying about an e-mail virus.

back to lurking...

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david complained that he had received unsolicited mail regarding hte or
some similar cause after posting a message to the list.  i think this was
probably more of a coincidence than anything.  i've been on this list for
almost a year (except for a six week period that i usubscribed  earlier in
the fall) and i rarely receive any hte related e-mail.  this is purely my
opinion, but i don't look at hte mailings and socially/politically
oriented mailings as "spam" (junk e-mail).  i wish i received more of
those kinds of mailings.  what i dislike are the numerous messages i
receive each day advertising get-rich-quick and/or multi-level marketing
schemes,  and stuff like what cyberpromotions (eeek!) used to flood my
mailbox with.  hte is a legitimate organization/campaign and should not,
imho, be placed in the same category as cyber advertising.  i could see where one
might receive a message if they happened to post an hte-related message
or a message regarding a native american issue, since i believe there
are people associated with/active in hte that are subscribed to the list.
hte promotes awareness of and action for native environmental, etc.
causes.  it is not a for-profit venture.
i think there are a lot of people on this list that share amy's and emily's
interest and concern for the earth and indigenous peoples (i know of quite
a few people).  maybe i misinterpreted david's post (i know y'all will
*quickly* let me know if i did<g>), but i got the impression that maybe he felt
like people associated with such organizations subscribe to the list for the
purpose of reaching people who might be interested in their particular
cause.  i'm sure that probably is the case, after all, there are people
associated with other *artists* who post to the list, because this list's
musical tastes are so broad.  i don't see anything wrong with that, personally,
but that's just me.  david has brought up an interesting issue, though.
anyone else have any thoughts about this?

peace, and thanking god that cyberpromotions has gone belly up (for now)...

joan :)

hi y'all,
        i'm sorry that i haven't emailed all of you back yet concerning
directions to the party on friday dec. 13.  the party is still on.  i have
been trying to recover from bronchitis and finishing finals.  if there is
anyone out there who has not emialed me privately and would like to come,
please drop me a line!

thanks,
al

hi all...
i just wanted to thank jen lucero for posting the lyrics to the songs
expected to be on the new album.  i haven't seen the girls in concert
yet (and i strongly emphasize yet!), and i don't have any boots (this is
not a plea), so this list is the only way i know the lyrics in advance.
god, i love the way they write!  even without the tunes to go with them,
the songs *sound* great to me in my head already.  man, i am  really
looking forward to this album!  thanks again, jen...  i know it took
some time and effort.
carrie
(who hopes she will have something useful to offer the list someday);)

hey, i just had to tell you.  remember how my roomate is such a weird,
freak-dork?  well, she still is and she's changing rooms next semester
because (hold your breaths)  --i drink and party  (ok? i've gotten
slightly buzzed twice since august?)  forgive me if i don't believe that
is bad.  anyways, i was really disappointed that she never liked ig and
still puts her headphones on when she comes in and i'm playing them.

the point of this email, however, is that i might have recruited a new
ig fan on my floor. she bought ig and said she likes it and listens to
it while she is going to sleep. it's a start.

feeling like a victorious and *true* (but broke) ig fan
amber

on fri, 6 dec 1996, mark anthony donajkowski wrote:

> sundara you do not need to sign off the list this goes for anyone needing
> a account all you need ot to call juno or go to http://www.juno.com and
> get their software its a free internet email box as long as you have a
> puter at home you can get the list from your juno
> account!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! yes it is worth screaming about
> need mroe info write me personally<g<>

but you do actually need a computer and a modem first!!

mat

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| mts5@aber.ac.uk         \   for anyone, an absentee boss is best."   |
| indigojo@freenet.hut.fi  \     - jeannette winterson, "the passion"  |
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adverts and junkmail will be read for 500 pounds sterling per item;
sending such email to me constitutes agreement to pay for the priviledge
of my attention.

on wed, 4 dec 1996, amber r. batson wrote:

> i'm not a true ig fan, though, because i haven't seen them live
> and i don't have any bootlegs

whoa!  wait a minute here!  who says you have to have seen them live
or have bootlegs to be a "true" fan?  i haven't seen them live
because i didn't become familiar with them until after their last
tour and they were never near me this summer.  i didn't have any
boots becasue i didn't know anyone who had them until i joined the
list.  besides, boots are fairly illegal anyway.  don't let anyone
tell you who a "true" fan is.  as long as you appreciate an artist,
that is as true as you need be.

just my thoughts...

anna

"how is it that music can, without words, evoke our
laughter, our tears, our highest aspiration?" -jane swan

hey y'all,

i thought i'd share my 'indigo moment' with you.  i'm in a (small) band
through my church's youth group (called redemption -- i voted for noah and
the animals, but no one ever listens to me), and last night we played our
first "gig" for a fundraising pasta supper.   even thought the rest of the
group (two guys) did not share my love for a&e, i convinced them to do two ig
songs.  all was cool, but everything rocked when we closed with 1*2*3.  even
though i can't sing very well, i did vocals and lead guitar, and by the
second verse i started getting really into it.  when we ended on the big,
crashing, e minor chord everyone cheered -- including the 80 year-old couple
in the front.  then, i came home and had the first indigo related dream i've
had.  i won't make you suffer through it, but the basic jist was that, now
armed with the info that she's single, i was trying to find amy and see if i
had a chance with her even though it would most likely be illeagle (sp?).
half way through my journey to reach her hotel in baltimore, i discovered
that she's actually santa claus.  it was very strange . . . must have been
something i ate . . .

alright, that's it for now.

-elizabeth

(ps: thanks for posting the lyrics!)

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random fact: in spanish, "1 2 3, nothing's for free" is "uno dos tres, nada
es gratis," so it rhymes in at least two different languages! well, i
thought it was interesting . . .

okay, i told myself that i wouldn't post all week b/c i've spent the week
complaining about how busy i am...and reading my list mail :)  but i'm
breaking a promise.  sue me, ponygirl :)  anyway...i think it's incredibly
funny when, before hey jesus on the chapel hill boot, emily says "amy ray,
pretty good for a girl!" then "i'm going to do 16 solo songs in amy's absence
right now...i was thinking that would bring her back..."  that makes me laugh
all the time!
oh yeah, and i wanted to tell everyone, cuz i'm so happy, that my cousin that
i posted about last week has come back to her house in atlanta and is with
her family and says she isn't going to leave again!  i didn't find her while
i was there, and we all missed her a lot, but were thrilled when she came
home!  i'm thanking whatever kind of deities there may or may not be for all
this wunnerfulnes....:)
oh, and abs, if your email is back, i really will write to you soon, i
promise!
love y'all....
katy

on email....there are 882(!) messages from this listserv in my emailbox
right now, thanks to my upcoming finals, and i just wondered whether most
of y'all read the digest or what.  anyone with a unix account (most
university accounts are unix) might want to know about two programs called
"filter" and "procmail" usually included with your account which will
automatically sort your email.  that way you can get the mail individually
(easier to read & respond than digest form, i think) but have it put into
a separate folder automatically so your mailbox doesn't fill up, and you
can read it at your leisure, and you can find the non-ig mail in your box.
best ways to find out about "filter"  and "procmail": search on the web
for a guide, then ask a tech-y friend to translate it into english for
you, and show you how to get the program to work on your account.  this
has been a public service message, because the cool things you can do with
email shouldn't be a secret.  i hope no one considers it a waste of
bandwidth.

on happiness....i've just started a new web project, collecting answers
from anybody and everybody to the question "what makes you happy?" check
it out at http://www.stwing.upenn.edu/~abstein/happiness and contribute
if you want.

on ellen.....all the perceptive commentary from this list has got me
thinking about it at a level i usually reserve for english papers.  the
"listen up everybody, i'm gay" variety of coming out isn't ellen's style
at all, i agree.  in my experience it doesn't happen like that much in
real life, that's just sort of a straight society's public
perception....originality is undervalued in hollywood.  whatever happens
on the show, ellen morgan is not straight......this was made a fact when
the idea was "leaked" to test advertiser response....sexual orientation is
just not determined by advertiser response...only a character's degree of
outness can be influenced by this.  so i like what they've been doing with
the hints.  her friends have already probably figured it out, or at least
suspected.  here's my suggested "coming out episode":  ellen goes with
friends to see some up-and-coming band...it turns out to be in a gay club
but no one realizes that beforehand.....at some point the friends wind up
separated, ellen sits down winds up in awkward conversation with some
woman....later in the evening the woman asks her out for the next
evening....ellen gives a "sure, i mean no, i mean--yeah" kind of answer as
everything registers.  the friends notice the two together from across the
club, give each other questioning looks.  as the friends--including
ellen--leave, one of them says something about a time.  two days later,
ellen comes in to work, audrey asks how her date was, ellen hesitates then
says "it was good," and that's it.  the next couple of episodes would show
the progress of the relationship--which fizzles b/c of lack of common
interests or values or something (maybe the other woman hunts ;)-- but
wouldn't deal with sexuality per se.  all the expected plotlines
(homophobia, figuring out if so-and-so is a lesbian too) should come
later.  when the company/producers/media talk in terms of "coming out,"
they are really concentrating on a gay character's interactions with
straight characters, rather than on ellen getting to know _herself_
better, which is a rewarding experience whether its sexuality or just the
fact that you like reeses pieces or chess or the indigo girls.  it's a
bit like christmas in america turning chanukah into a big deal, when it's
really only a minor holiday, and ignoring yom kippur or sukkot, which are
way more important religiously.  so far i think the show's done a good
job with the hints of staying true to ellen's character.....i hope
they'll continue.   on a related note, i finished that biology paper
about bisexuality.....anyone who wants to read it just email me.

good luck and perseverance for finals,
audrey

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http://www.stwing.upenn.edu/~abstein for essays, photos, recipes, musings,
and book reviews.  stop in and rest awhile, then send your own profound
thoughts and inane questions to abstein@force.stwing.upenn.edu.  no
purchase necessary.  personal happiness recommended but not guaranteed.

well, i am very new to the list and this is my first time to post. i feel
like i need to say that seeing that all the new members are somewhat
intimidated by all you old timers. i don't think anyone likes to be
flamed... especially when they're still very new to all of this.

anyway, i just want to offer up a huge thank you to everyone who gave
information for the c.d. "levees that break in my heart."  my best friend got
me started on the indigo girls almost a year ago.  you're all probably
thinking, "wow, big deal."  but in mississippi it is a big deal for the
indigo girls are rare to none and i know the affect the girls have had on me
in the past year.  okay, i am getting to the point, i promise.  so now i live
in oklahoma and they are still rare, but not nearly so much as in mississippi
and i was looking for an awesome christmas gift for my friend and what can i
say, but a new i.g. c.d. that she's probably never heard of, is the most
perfect gift imaginable.  what a relief for me who has been going crazy
trying to find that ultimate gift for the loved ones in my life.

the other point of this letter is to beg for anyone who can tell me one. if
there is a good place in oklahoma to get some i.g. stuff and if they ever
come here to play and two. if anyone can tell me of any concerts that are
playing the week of march 8-15 in the cities of d.c., boston, atlanta, or
dallas. that's my spring break and i want to go somewhere cool and possibly
see the concert of my life.

my first, but not my last,

micki

"and my words are paper tigers no match for the predator of pain inside
her..."
micfiles@aol.com

im a dork, sorry i posted that message to sundara to the whole list! arrrgh

but as you can tell im traumatized that sundara is leaving, so anyone who wants
to give her a free computer, go rrrrrright ahead (ha)

susan

you know, computers aren't that expensive...around here, you can get a used
ibm-compatible and a modem for 400-odd dollars. such a system is inadequate
for many things, of course, but it does fine for basic net access. as for
net access, public access unix sites can be found in many cities, which
provide cheap or free internet access (perhaps only email and usenet, but that
may be enough). something to think about.
kirsten

--
kirsten chevalier kirsten@spike.wellesley.edu | "most students chose classes...
based upon a professor's background, perspective, and area of expertise. i, on
the other hand, developed the birkenstock approach. i took classes only from
professors who had at least one pair of birkenstock sandals."--robin wright

hey y'all, thanks to my dad who picks up every single free thing he can find,
no matter what, i have the december issue of pulse, that tower records
magazine.  in it, to my great surprise (he's still gloating cuz i don't take
every freebie i run across :) was a tiny thing about amy...including a really
cute cartoon of her (made me laugh, anyway).  it's just about this group dew
that got amy to sing on their recording, a spoof-assault kind of thing on ted
nugent's _stranglehold_.  anyway...i enjoyed it, it's pretty funny even
though short.
katy, who has finally caught up on reading for at least one class...:)

in a message dated 96-12-07 13:21:24 est, mickie writes:

<< well, i am very new to the list and this is my first time to post.  i feel
like i need to say that seeing that all the new members are somewhat
intimidated by all you old timers.  i don't think anyone likes to be
flamed... especially when they're still very new to all of this.
  >>

you know.... i haven't actually visited many other lists but
i think i can say with a fair amount of certainty that the folks
on this list are pussycats compared to other lists...
for instance i dropped by the art bell usenet (not
actually a list but simmilar) anyway those guys
are really fiesty....they'd eat us alive (and like it ;)
it's a war zone friends.
we ...on the other hand are soft fuzzy forest creatures :)
so my darling newbie kittens.....don't be afraid...we are really
gentle folk :):):)
happy happy joyjoy !
binky (barney's cousin twice removed)
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"....they ran you right out of hollywood...
...so now you come crawlin' back to broadway...."
helen lawson

hey everyone....

love the chat...but how is a guy supose to keep up with everyone!

well here is my two cents... i absolutely love the indigo girls. i
thing they are the greatest band i have every heard.

i am relatively uninformed about a lot of the little things all of you
are talking about. i hope to become more informed by all of your chat.

hope everyone is well!

see ya in cyber space

joe

alright, i've been reading all these posts about ellen morgan and should she
or shouldn't she and whatnot. i've just been waiting for the right moment to
intrude, and here it is, so here i go. this is my plot for how she should
come out, even though it will never happen this way:

amy has written a book of poetry (it's not a prefrence over emily, it's only
that amy seems less reserved.), and she's going on a small promotional tour
for it.  one of the book stores she's doing a book signing in is
buy*the*book, where ellen is manager.  ellen, being a huge ig fan (of course)
is really excited about the whole thing.  when she meets amy on the big day,
she goes into one of her flustered-embarrassed things, but finaly calms down
as the day goes on, and she gets more relaxed after she and amy have gotten
to talk a little.  the signing is only from 12 to 3, or 12 to 2 (i don't know
how long they go), so amy leaves at the appropriate time and that's that.
later on, though, towards around an hour before closing time, the obnoxious
owner guy (who earlier on in the episode would have made some semi-rude
remark about amy being gay in ellen's presense) realizes that amy left (i'm
getting this from that leeds thing) her day runner organizer thing there, and
tells ellen to call her to tell her to come get it.  when she calls, ellen
explains it to amy who says she can be over in an hour and a half to get it
-- a half an hour after the store closes.  the annoying owner -- what is his
name? -- leaves and ellen sits around by herself for a 30 minutes waiting.
during this time, she starts leafing through the organizer and finds some
songs that amy is working on and really likes them.  just then amy shows up
and ellen lets her in.  they get to talking over coffee, and you start to get
the feeling that ellen likes amy.  they stay there for awhile until amy gets
up and says she has to be going, but here is her number and address and she
wants to keep in touch . . . and ellen's all flustered . . . and as she's
letting amy out, amy leans over and gives her a kiss (on the cheek, maybe, so
as not to offend the squimish-straight audience).  next day (it's almost
over): ellen's really torn by the whole thing because she knows what amy
wants and she knows she wants it, too, but she's only just coming to terms
with somethings.  she decides to confide in paige, who freaks out about the
whole thing and leaves abruptly to "think about it."  ellen calls into work
sick, and soon after amy shows up at ellens door with flowers because she
heard she was at home, sick.  ellen is really flattered, but then -- in a
sad, confused, puppy-dog, ellen way -- explains to amy that she's just
started to accept herself after years of denial and that she just isn't ready
to have a relationship with a woman yet.  amy's cool with it, and as she
leaves she gives ellen a hug.  then ellen closes the door and is feeling even
worse when the phone rings, and paige is on the other end saying she's
terribly sorry she reacted the way she did and that she'll stick by ellen no
matter what and then it ends.  a&e would do the theme song at the opening, of
course.

phew . . . enough procrastination!  off to arrange the fetuses in the right
order for bio.  i'm sorry about how long this was, but i was desperatly
searching for a way to make this igc.  my closing statement is that i think
she should come out, in a subtle, emotional way, and in a way where there is
audience sympathy.

-elizabeth

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"i just sit around the house and resist. not be seen until i cease to
exist. i kind of consiensious objection . . . "

harriet the spy? oh my god, i'm so stupid! i always thought she said
"hairy at the spine". finally, the song sorta makes sense.
ben

joan said:

david has brought up an interesting issue, though.
>anyone else have any thoughts about this?

ooo!!  me! me!  well, actually i have a lot to say, mainly about all the
blankity blank blank junk mail i get every friggin day!  it kills me.  how
many trees have died so i could have yet another coupon to get a pizza or
my oil changed???  and there is no way to stop it, cause it is all for
resident, or boxholder!  i even asked the postoffice, they said they had a
legal obligation to deliver it.  jeesz.  i hate hate hate it!

so that's my little rant.  i won't go on, cause i could, endlessly.  i also
just wanted to mention that russ rutter from hte sent me a bunch of hte
brochure type thingys, and i'm sending them out with all the ig boots i dub
for people. i feel that since it is an ig thing, and it's an ig boot, it's
okay.  if you have a problem with this,  too bad,  just please, pass on the
brochure to a friend who might be interested.  don't throw it away, cause a
tree died for it.  thanks :)

peace, love, and susan,

sundara<-- who isn't leaving the list for another two weeks, so don't
be sad yet :)

"i aim to please the girlies"
-me, impersonating emily

i know of several places where one can get either a low end 286 or mac
classic for about 200 dollars, pick up a issue of computer shopper or search
usenet, if you need windows to run juno, which provides free email, you
should be able to get a really low end system that will push 3.1 and while
your 'puter won't be running netscape 3.0 -- (mine doesn't for gawd sakes!
and i code html for work...)
if you need help, ask us!!! you would be surprised how many computer geeks
will help people out on the list.

i think ithere should be a clarification, don't boot the cd (it is too good
and you must respect it and buy it.) but there are individual audio bootlegs
of (i believe) all of the performances, the austin show being broadcast on
the radio.

just a clarification.
mike r.

aaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwwww!!!!   you all are sooooo sweet!  i just love you all!
thanks so much to everyone who has told me how much you are gonna miss me.
i'm getting all sad inside.  anyway,  point of this email, is that
everyone in my life seems to be on a mission to get me a computer.  my mom,
who thinks it is too funny that all i talk about is this list and the ig,
is asking around, and my mom is awesome, if anyone can get me a computer,
she can.  but, the exciting news is that my housemate, who is so amazing, i
can't even explain it,  got her sister to send me her laptop that she
doesn't use anymore.  she's just gonna give it to me!  woo-hoo!  except,
here's the problem, neither my housemate nor her sister now if a modem will
hook-up to it.  i don't know how old this laptop is, nor what kind it is.
but when i get it (probably in a couple days or so, it's being sent from
hawaii)  i'll let you all know and probably ask you all a bunch of
questions about modems and stuff.  cause i basically know nothing about
computers. it'll be a big nigc,  but for now, if anyone knows anything
about how i should go about getting a modem and finding the best deal
(cause i'm real real real poor)  on getting one, could you please email me?
i'd love you forever :)  so everyone think happy positive save sundara and
get the girl a modem thoughts! thank you thank you thank you!

peace, love, and susan,

sundara<-- who isn't leaving the list for another two weeks, so don't
be sad yet :)

"i aim to please the girlies"
-me, impersonating emily

let's give that girl a (purple) modem

she's got a list behind her
a jury of her peers
and the brainstorms of the righteous
posting 'bout her purple fears

she won't be online anymore
if we don't heed her call
when we say we love her
she won't hear us at all

so, give that girl a modem
just give that girl a modem
she's gotta stay on, she's gotta stay on

she won't have a connection
if we let her go away
she'll jump ship, abandon her posts
we've gotta help her stay

... come on, everybody now, sing along, y'all! yah!! yah!! yah!!

kathy & sue (who might have an extra modem soon)

oh my is it good to be back! i've had big-time computer problems that were
nasty and my life has taken some spills, but i'm hooked up again and soooo
glad to be here! i've got 400+ messages to wade through (wouldn't have it
any other way! :)
but i promise big ol' letters to everyone i owe them to just as soon as i
can. pj and catherine, your tapes are on the way, do i owe boots to anybody
else?
i'll probably figure this out as i read through posts, but did the am.
journal thang ever materialize? i can't decide whether i'll be madder if it
was on the few days i didn't tape it, or if it never showed up at all!
it's good to be back!

((((group hug!)))

:) abigail

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okay okay i know that this is not full of indigo content but on more
than one occasion i have read personal stories of list members and now
here i am asking if anyone has any suggestions for my current
predicament... my girlfriend.... the most amazing woman in the world...
lives in chicago and i live in boston (sad huh?)... i plan to go visit
her in march but her mother keeps shoving it in her face that she does
not condone our relationship (homophobia)and doesn't know if i should
come... but if i do go i have to sleep in the guest bedroom and i can't
even hold the hand of my true love (at least not while her 'rents are
there).  i'm sure that more than one of you can understand the
frustration of being totally in love with someone but not being able to
express it... i just want to convince her mother that noone will ever
love her wonderful daughter as much as i do... why can't she just accept
that we are in love?  ahhh what to do what to do...
        thanks for listening to me babble about my personal life... any
suggestions or experieces would be most helpful...

broken hearted but so in love,
mary

hey everyone!

okay, the votes are in, the party is gonna be the 14th (sorry tracy,
jeni, and karey, and tracy's two dogs, who really don't count in this
democratic process, tee hee)

i don't know about the time yet. so could you all please email me about
whether what time you'd like to have it, even a general time, afternoon,
evening, late evening, early morning (although, if it's early morning, i
won't go, sundara is not a morning person!!)

and why don't we make it potluck, all vegetarian, and bring your own
beverage.  probably bring your own eating stuff (plates, knives,
spoons--hey, i can show you all how i can hang 6 spoons from my face, hee,
the talent!!!)  that way everyone can be responsible for their own dishes
and we don't leave kathy and sue with a huge mess.  i'll make black bean
tamale pie.  it's yummy.

and just so i can get a general idea of how many people are coming, please
email me if you plan on coming, even if you aren't for sure, and also tell
me what kind of dish you'd like to bring.

and pj is gonna bring her guitar, so we can all sing and stuff, any other
activities are fun too, so whatever. so email me! yay yay yay!

peace, love, and susan,

sundara<-- who is overcome with love for everyone, and also thinks
this will be her last post of the day, cause she's finally gonna leave the
email lab, after two hours here. what will i do with all my free time if i
don't get email????

"i aim to please the girlies"
-me, impersonating emily

>
> okay okay i know that this is not full of indigo content but on more
> than one occasion i have read personal stories of list members and now
> here i am asking if anyone has any suggestions for my current
> predicament... my girlfriend.... the most amazing woman in the world...
> lives in chicago and i live in boston (sad huh?)... i plan to go visit
> her in march but her mother keeps shoving it in her face that she does
> not condone our relationship (homophobia)and doesn't know if i should
> come... but if i do go i have to sleep in the guest bedroom and i can't
> even hold the hand of my true love (at least not while her 'rents are
> there).  i'm sure that more than one of you can understand the
> frustration of being totally in love with someone but not being able to
> express it... i just want to convince her mother that noone will ever
> love her wonderful daughter as much as i do... why can't she just accept
> that we are in love?  ahhh what to do what to do...
>         thanks for listening to me babble about my personal life... any
> suggestions or experieces would be most helpful...

hi mary,

first off, i'm straight so i can't relate exactly to your situation
involving the homophobia which may well run deeper than the typical
"you aren't good enough for my daughter" thing, but still i do have a
couple semi-solicited pieces of advice for you =)

  i'd say go, but when you do don't "try to hard" -- just be yourself!
let this woman see in you what her daughter (your gf) sees in you.
nothing you can say, nothing you can do will convince her that you are
"acceptable."  if you try too hard, you will be written off faster
than when you walked through the door.  likewise if you don't respect
this woman as the mother of your gf, even if you don't like a thing
she stands for.

however, you hold the trump card --- her daughter's happiness!
parents, even the most bigoted ones, can see that spark of happiness
in a child's eye a mile away.  and they can also feel the darkness of
disappointment and frustration that result from their "policies" and
expectations.  if your gf loves you, there will be no way mom will
miss it.  she still may not choose to accept you, she may chalk up her
daughter's reactions as "a phase" -- but she will notice.

not to go would be to give in to this woman's bigotry, thus giving her
power over the two of you. if you want to win the princess, get ready
to face the dragon.

one side note, i wouldn't fret the seperate rooms thing.  i don't know
how old you are, but this is a standard thing in all relationships.
its her right to set the standards for her home (like no one sleeps
together unless married [yay hawaii!!!]) and its a sign of respect to
honor her wishes -- plus you put your gf in the middle of a battle
that you don't want to start.  if you want to "spend time" together,
consider a motel room.  though i have to admit, i'd be pissed off
about the hand holding restrictions too -- you and your gf need to
find a happy medium.

good luck!

chris

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hey folks,

that last message was supposed to be private email to mary.
appologies to all, and especially mary herself.

damn finger memory...

chris

well, i must say i'm *thoroughly* enjoying these "ellen coming out" episode
scenarios!  i espcecially enjoyed that a.r. scenario.  there are
some mighty creative and imaginative folks on this list :)  any of you have
any plans to pursue a career in script writing?  perhaps you should give it
some serious thought, cause you all are *very good*

peace and vivid imaginations,

joan :)

how many of you all were reading the a.r. scenario, secretly wishing
something like that happened to you? <g>

got my progressive and susan wasnt kidding about the cartoon. they made
emily look like martha plimpton! pretty funny. you should have seen what
they did to billy bragg though in a past issue (every cartoon they print
looks like a very bad caricature, i am not sure why they continue to do
that issue after issue. even sister prejean was not spared when they
interviewed her. i wish they'd just print a photo).

the interview was great though, pretty straight-forward q&a. the
progressive is a political magazine so the interview is focused on their
politics.

i really encourage you to look into this magazine if you're at all
interested in political issues from a left perspective. i do not consider
myself a highly motivated political person. i subscribed to the
progressive last year so i could educate myself about various political
issues. i was totally out of touch with what was happening in our country
(i don't receive any american channels on my tv except this one local
station that only plays bad sitcom re-runs). this magazine has enlightened
me to various issues around the world. the writing is intelligent,
informative, and fair. it really has been worth every penny.

oh if you want to read the billy bragg interview let me know, i have it
saved on my hd and i can email it to you. it's excellent. (if you don't
know who bragg is you probably won't be terribly interested in it).

kristina

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the greek upon the stars http://www.az.com/~andrade

to any of you who play guitar, i stumbled across an excellent chord
voicings site at :
http://www.music101.com/guitar/chof.html

soory for the bandwidth!
amy

hey everyone,

it occurred to me that some of the phrases that are still
used in modern-day times are, well, old and outdated.
so it's time to update them and give them a more
modern, indigo focus.

for example:
- "it ain't over till the fat lady sings" becomes "it ain't
over until 'closer to fine'"
- "the early bird gets the worm" becomes "the early
girl gets the black beans and rice"
- "doesn't know his/her x from her/his y" becomes
(shamelessly stolen from deb reiser :) "doesn't know
his/her a from his/her e"

i know there are more but i, being me, can't think of
any more. so i'm throwing this out there... see what
y'all can make of it.

happy happy,
sherlyn
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- sherlyn koo - sherlyn@fl.net.au -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
"there is freedom within, there is freedom without,
  try to catch the deluge in a paper cup.
  there's a battle ahead, many battles are lost,
  but you'll never see the end of the road while you're
        travelling with me..."  - crowded house

for example:
- "it ain't over till the fat lady sings" becomes "it ain't over until
'closer to fine'"

     ok maybe i'm workin' way way waaaaaaaaaay too many hours...but this
     one? you got some 'splainin' to do lucy 'cuz i don't get it! the other
     one's i like!!! a, e ha, good one deb! the beans and rice one could
     also be "ben & jerry's"!

ok back to workdom :)

kira

i have had a really stressful two days, living at one moment constantly
having the "leaning over ledges, only two flights" verse in blood and fire.
i was in a crisis due to my panic disorder, the emotions were the worst i
have experienced in seven years. i thought i was insane. i'm not, thankfully
people think i am okay, and i have some incredible people who support me.
one of my professors is a feminist disabled lesbian, who really helped me
see through my self hate, i owe her. at least my sanity, and maybe more.

i am looking for one song -- a live version or concert of tracy chapman
doing "at this point in my life", i think it is a song we both share so
close together. i want to give her something, i plan on designing a cover
and it would be so appropriate. any reply would be appreciated, and i have
some more blanks so i can tape fpr others at some point.

not trying to even be grammatically correct
mike r.

at the philadelphia electric factory show, i remeber her saying that she
had lost her day planner on a flight home from england, and, through sheer
serendipity, someone returned it to her with the song still included. so,
she read it over, pulled it out, and finished it off. hence, the
references to both leeds (in england) and the church burnings (in the
south). hope that helped...

peace, sanity and lots of coffee...
meg
mkmst23+@pitt.edu

*it's been a long december and there's reason to believe
maybe this year will be better than the last
i can't remember all the times i tried to tell myself
to hold onto these moments as they pass*

hi everyone,

re: american tune, i pulled out my copy of paul simon's _there goes
rhymin' simon_. at the and of the credits, it states "all songs c) 1973
by paul simon". art garfunkel doesn't appear on this album at all.

jane scarpantoni: she's played live with ig and ferron at shows i've seen,
and i think she's played live with nanci griffith (but not sure). she's
on kristen hall's album _be careful what you wish for_ (not on the earlier
_fact & fiction_). seems like we've missed a lot of her work...

k's choice: they did a cover of neil young's "rocking in the free word"
with the indigo girls 12/19/94 at symphony hall in atlanta which appeared
on the ig single "power of two" and the k's choice single "i wanna meet
the man" (i have a promo, don't know if there was a regular one). the k's
choice single was taken from their album _the great subconcious club_ and
has 3 album cuts & 2 live tracks (including the ig one) which aren't on
the regular album.

anyone else the igs have worked with: k's choice (see above), michelle
shocked (mtv unplugged).

who has opened for ig in recent years: on the swamp ophelia tour ferron
and gherkin opened some of the west coast dates.

also, i have a extra copy of kristen hall's _fact and fiction_ (which
emily guests on). would prefer to trade for other music, e-mail me if
interested.

cheers,
simone
--
simone jarzabek, jarzabek@halcyon.com seattle, wa

hey everyone...

all right, here's the situation. i just went away for the weekend to visit a friend at whitman (all you pnwers should know where that is...) & arrived home to find literally about twenty expectant blank tapes for the soc boot. i want y'all to know that i'm going as fast as i possibly can to get these babies out, but if there's a bit of a delay, please be patient and bear with me. i'm sending all the branch copies first, so that bit will soon be taken care of & the rest are coming asap, i promise.

...wheels in motion...
greta --who just heard a rumor that ani had "a little surprise" for all the folks at the vancouver concert (a little surprise that just happened to be guest amy ray) and wants someone to confirm it for her so that she can go bang her head against a wall for not going--

"i am so middle class i am so middle class i am so middle class." -a. ray

excerpts from mail: 7-dec-96 re: time to update those ol.. by
kraichert@directs.com
> - "it ain't over till the fat lady sings" becomes "it ain't over until
> 'closer to fine'"
>
>
> ok maybe i'm workin' way way waaaaaaaaaay too many hours...but this
> one? you got some 'splainin' to do lucy 'cuz i don't get it!

ig concerts are never over until 'closer to fine' is played!!!! silly!
renee

i know, i'm sorry...i've worked over 100 hours this week (i'm not
exagerating) so my brain is just total mega mushness!

kira "back to lurkdom because she's embarrrasing herself" =:)

just wondering if anyone else has found this cute little "hidden secret"
at the beginning of sy...

if you turn the balance all the way to the right, and listen really
closely, at the beginning, after "you have just begun," _someone_
*plink-plinks* her guitar strings...perhaps to make sure she's in the
right key...

i hope someone else has noticed this!!

okay, so now if you haven't noticed this, go listen to it!!
keep in mind some stereos don't separate the left from the right, so it
might not work...if not, i suggest running to a neighbor's and asking to
listen to it on theirs!!

perhaps everyone else has found this already...forgive me. but for 7
years i've shared this tidbit of information with all my friends. so i
guess you all are the next step...

cheers!
stay warm,
shari

recently someone on the ig newsgroup said she'd received a copy of a chain
email containing "75 reasons why women shouldn't have the freedom of
speech".   this was made up by 4 men at cornell university last year and
hit the list around october.   the four idiots concerned were disciplined
and the whole thing was more or less forgotten.   basically if you receive
a copy of this, delete it, as the situation was dealt with several months
ago, and the people concerned don't seem to have put their empty heads
above the parapet since.

mat

hello everyone,

while driving home today, another bit of ig trivia ocurred to me:

which is the only ig song (that i can think of, at least) where the ig who
did *not* write the song sings the last line of the song, solo?

those who know the answer can e-mail me privately, and i'll post results to
the list.

happy sunday!

anna

hi y'all...
umm, my close friend and i got into a very interesting conversation last
night (at my parent's 50th anniversary party, no less ). we were discussing
"the celluloid closet" ... the movie about how gays + lesbians have been
portrayed through the years in hollywood movies. i've never seen the movie,
but hope to.
anyway, on that subject i said i thought that in the canadian adaption of
anne of green gables, from book to movie, there was definately an underlying
current of lesbianism in respects to the relationship between anne + diana.
both in the first t.v. movie, and in it's sequal. was it just wishful
thinking on my part? my friend couldn't remember, because it was so long ago
that she'd watched the films, but she thought "maybe...."
anyhoo... i know a lot of you dear listees are, if not lesbian/gay, then
very lesbian/gay positive, so i thought i'd put the question to you all. i'm
wondering if any of you sensed that current, or am i the only one?... and if
you did, do you think that anne's real struggle was betwixt her own
sexuality + her need to "conform" to society. ( i always felt she "gave in"
and settled for gilbert blythe because that was how things *had* to be, and,
after all, she could not have dianna... ) i wonder if this was lucy maud
montgomery's own cloaked theme in her original books, or if it was just
sullivan's interpretation of it in film ( or my interpretation of it in my
own reality:-) )... anyone care to comment? ( in private e-mail, of course ).
see... i have no circle in this small town, in which to discuss things like
this. fer gawd's sake, my sister could *not* see that the relationship
betwixt idgey and ruth in fgt was a lesbian one. arrrghhh!!!!....
anyhoo... peace y'all.. kim ( the goddess full o' apologies for taking up
band width... but i jest gotta know if i'm nuts or not... )<---hmmm, talk
about leaving myself wide open for hits from some o' you:-)
say... how about a musical adaption of anne of green gables???? lol... e as
anne and a as dianna??? ummmm... no... lol... me thinks, definately no!!! (
a could never be so mousy + quiet like dianna... )
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"don't tell me i'm burning the candle
at both ends... tell me where to get
more wax!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
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hi folks,

i kow this is more appropriate for the df mailing list, but i'm not
subscribed and this is easier sooo....

   i just saw df at the somerville theatre saturday night as part of
the songstreet "women in folk rock" festival.  um... to be honest, and
this really hurts, the df set stunk.  only part of this was the fault
of df -- rick lamachia (the promoter) ran a fairly terrible show
beginning to end, i felt bad for all the performers -- but df had
their share of the blame too.  the number one thing is that sonia had
a new band, none of which sang backup and no keyboards, and the four
of them simply weren't playing together.  sonia's voice sounded
strained knowing she had to carry the show herself.  the drummer came
in at the wrong time.  the lead guitarist couldn't lay off the wa-wa
petal (imagine "fix my life" with a wa-wa'ed guitar instead of a
keyboard and backup vocals *shiver*).

  anyway, my question is does anyone know what happened to the old
band?  was there a shake up or did they simply not make the trip
because of the weather....  i must say the current version is
presently unimpressive and i can only hope that this changes soon. *sigh*

-- chris

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hello again everyone,

i hadn't noticed this posted before, and i don't know why it didn't occur to
me to post it until now -- here's an article on ig from atlanta's creative
loafing magazine (cover story, i believe). it focuses mainly on their hte
work. quite interesting, imo. hope you enjoy it!

anna

========
just cause

indigo girls carry the banner for
environmental and native american issues
in honor the earth tour

by gina webb

"... it was the second largest party in reservation history and
thomas builds-the-fire was the host. he was the host because he
was the one buying all the beer. and he was buying all the beer
because he had just got a ton of money from washington water
power. and he just got a ton of money from washington water
power because they had to pay for the lease to have ten power
poles running across some land that thomas had inherited.

"when indians make lots of money from corporations that
way, we can all hear our ancestors laughing in the trees. but
we never can tell whether they're laughing at the indians or at
the whites. ..."

-- sherman alexie, the lone ranger and tonto fistfight in heaven

despite countless treaties and relocations to reservations,
america's first residents possess land that contains two-thirds
of the nation's uranium, one-third of
its low-sulfur coal and 15 million acres of
prime forests. in fact, next to the federal
government, native americans are the
largest land holders in the united states.

so it's no surprise that native americans
still have something the government wants.
that's the way it's always been, from the
time they inhabited lush hardwood forests
and agriculturally rich plains up to now,
when they've long since been pushed into
corners of land once considered
unfarmable, unusable desert. but even arid wastes can be mined and
exploited, as the u.s. government knows all too well.

for instance, the federal government mined uranium from more than
1,000 sites on the dine reservation in arizona, then abandoned them
to leach radioactivity into the air and water. and, after bombing the
western shoshone nation in nevada for the past 45 years with some
900 atomic explosions, the u.s. government wants to use the
shoshone's sacred yucca mountain as a dumping ground for
high-level nuclear waste.

such atrocities are nothing new from the perspective of native
americans, whose past history includes a government "gift" of
smallpox-infected blankets and the "trail of tears" forced march from
georgia that killed more than 6,000. to them, history isn't just
repeating itself; it's never stopped.

but neither have the struggles of native americans to survive. with
few resources, little money and, until recently, no legal right to govern
themselves, native american peoples have refused to disappear.
their tribal councils prevail. they have formed some 200 grassroots
groups to resist environmental destruction of their land. they are
winning their battles.

and georgia's most celebrated folk music
duo, the indigo girls, have pitched in to
help.

emily saliers and amy ray took a course in
indian studies at emory university in 1985,
but it was years before they would return to
the issues surrounding the plight of native
americans. and it was their music and
environmentalism, rather than a commitment
to indian rights, that would lead them full
circle.

by 1995, the indigo girls were fully entrenched in the native
american cause, raising more than $200,000 during last year's honor
the earth tour, a 21-stop benefit concert tour that began in madison,
wis., on may 8 and ended june 3 in portland, ore. it stopped in five
reservation communities: white earth reservation in minnesota, pine
ridge reservation in south dakota, the hopi reservation in arizona,
the eyak community in alaska, and the jemez pueblo in new
mexico.

amy ray traces the seeds of the tour back to her dissatisfaction with
doing "one-off benefits." in the preface to a diary she kept while on
tour, ray wrote:

i had become frustrated with the state of charity shows ...
benefits that were becoming increasingly corporate. i wanted to
do a benefit project that would be different, more grassroots. i
wanted to be immersed in a cause, to gain new knowledge, to
have a direct link to activists and communities doing the
hands-on work. i wanted our audience and everyone involved in
the production to have an all-inclusive experience that would
change their very being. the cause of endangered people and
endangered species really demanded this sort of intensity. with
these thoughts in mind, planning began for honor the earth. ...

sponsored by the indigenous women's network, the indigenous
environmental network and the seventh generation fund, the tour
established a committee to award grants to native environmental
groups. "there's a committee of all-indigenous people, from all these
different organizations, and they tell us what, politically, the strategy is,
and we help implement them," ray explains. "so we're not making the
policies; we're just helping the committee with them, which is the way
it should be."

the committee awarded grants in five categories: defense of
homelands and ecosystems; protection of sacred sites; restoration and
building of sustainable communities; women's projects; and media. in
all, 41 groups received grants, each an average sum of about $5,000.

"some of these groups only need a thousand dollars," ray says. "and
they are doing effective work with a very small amount of money."

adds saliers: "they want to do it themselves. they don't want a
whole onslaught of white folks coming over to help them restore their
language."

shunning assimilation into mainstream society, traditional native
americans don't seek an accumulation of material possessions,
preferring instead to live a subsistence life. "and they're strong in their
belief," ray says. "a lot of people say, 'well, they need to get with the
times. they wouldn't be so impoverished if they went along with
technology and progress.' but that's not the issue. the issue is that
they had communities, they had a lifestyle, they had a culture -- until
we came in and conquered them."

may 8, madison, wis.: i walked into the press conference
and realized i was ... dealing with the same issues as three
years before (during the first honor the earth tour): big
corporations screwing indians. we discussed exxon's plans
to mine billions of dollars worth of copper in a location
adjacent to the tiny mole lake reservation. the mine
would contaminate the wolf river watershed and wild-rice
beds integral to the culture and survival of the anishinaabe
(chippewa) people. ...

"indigenous people are protectors of where they live," saliers says.
"that's their responsibility. it should be ours, but we're really shirking
it. ultimately, i think the traditional indigenous people have taken on
the load of protecting the earth."

noting the difference between a sacred approach to land and one in
which land is viewed merely as a resource, the indigo girls especially
recall the indian children, who, raised in an extended family, have a
developed philosophy about the land and live in harmony with it.
"they don't use images of dominance," ray says. "they're brought up
to live within the context of the environment rather than always trying
to subdue it. we were brought up in a different way: when i'm in the
woods, and i see a tree start to fall, i want to go ahead and push it down.
i don't just let it take its course. i want to manicure the whole thing."

    "the message of the indian people and their ties to the land," adds
saliers, "is like the message that we both feel is going to save the
  world -- which is respect for all things living, and a sense of the way
   all things are interconnected."

  may 9: minneapolis, wis.: the afternoon press conference
    focused on the white earth land recovery project and the
    efforts of the white earth anishinaabe people to recover
  their stolen land base and to build a sustainable community
    that is environmentally and culturally sound. basically,
  they are having to buy back the land that was stolen from
   them through illegal tax forfeiture, timber barons,
    dishonest land speculators and the u.s. government.

   selected for their relevance to sites and events significant to native
    americans, honor the earth tour stops have an educational
    component along with a call for action. in addition to the concert,
   each stop features a slide show, a press conference, and distribution
  of postcards pre-printed with stands on specific issues and
   pre-addressed to members of congress. "people who come to the
    shows get a chance to really learn what the issues are, because the
   press conferences have a special focus on something that's local or at
   least in the general area," says saliers. "for instance, there'll be a
  concert in the black hills, and it might be that the moratorium on gold
    mining is about to expire."

    may 15, rapid city, s.d.: i got on my bike and headed for
   the black hills. the black hills (paha sapa) is sacred
  territory to the lakota nation and was guaranteed to them
  by a treaty in 1868 for "as long as the grass grows." five
    years later, when gold was discovered, the treaty was
   broken. ... since then, a long line of prospectors --
    including union carbide, exxon, kerr mcgee and home
    stake mining co. -- have moved in to dig uranium and
     gold. ... a 1980 supreme court ruling stated that the black
  hills were indeed stolen from the arapaho and lakota
people, and offered money as a means of settlement. the
    lakota nation has refused such settlement.

  may 16, pine ridge reservation, s.d.: we were in one of
  the poorest counties in america, with an unemployment
  rate hovering around 80 percent, an average income of
$3,700, and alarming rates of alcoholism, domestic abuse
   and fetal alcohol syndrome. the federal government has
   managed to steal everything tangible from this nation. ...
we passed the border-town bar that had only recently
  changed its sign from "no indians or dogs allowed" to
  "indians allowed."

the indigo girls don't want the public to think this is a cause they can
  pick up and put down, or something they're doing for publicity. saliers
  concedes that plenty of musicians are tied to causes, and she
  speculates that some people might have a knee-jerk reaction that
honor the earth is just another benefit for just another cause. but
honor the earth shows are different, she emphasizes, pointing to the
numbers of concert goers who approached the band afterward, hungry
for information on how to get involved.

  notes saliers: "i think that once people are introduced to the power
  of the grassroots organizations and the battles they're winning -- the
  power of the culture and the faith, not to mention the environmental
  implications -- you can't help but have your skin pricked by it."

both women feel that the steps necessary to effect change are not
necessarily violent, nor even always visible. "people have to realize
and really believe they can make a difference," says saliers. "you can
put enormous pressure on a company by not spending your dollars on
the things they're putting out. and you can put a lot of pressure on
your government by saying you're not going to vote for a certain
politician."

for her part, ray emphasizes the power of what she calls
"village-oriented" thinking: "there's a lot of stuff to do within your own
  community, so just being aware of what's going on is important.
  within a very small realm you can do something. try to make sure
  you're responsible in your own community."

and she strongly advises learning more about indigenous cultures in
america. "i don't mean pick up a crystal and a new age book and
become an indian, because i think that's the wrong approach," ray
says. "that's just one more way of appropriating something that
doesn't belong to us. i just mean: learn about it and respect it."

   mid june, atlanta: when i got home, many of my friends
  questioned why i, as a non-indian, wished to get involved
   in the indian government. much of the indian movement
  concerns environmental issues. it is imperative that indians
   and non-indians learn to work together on issues affecting
  the whole ecosystem. ... we can learn much from the
   indian's approach to environmentalism and from their
   cultural values, but the indians need the help of
   non-indians to preserve their land and ways. while our
  sheer numbers can help with political and economic
  support, we must recognize that the indian movement must
  ultimately be controlled by indians. it is crucial to
   recognize that the same forces oppressing indians are also
   oppressing many others.

honor, the benefit album for the honor the earth campaign, will
be released by amy ray's daemon records on aug. 20. the
double-cd set features never-before-released tracks from bonnie
raitt, victoria williams, latin playboys, sherman alexie, exene
cervenka, soul asylum and toad the wet sprocket, among
others. all proceeds will benefit the honor the earth tour.

how to get involved

to learn more about the organizations associated with the honor the
earth tour, write to:

  indigenous women's network, a coalition of more than 400
  indian women activists and organizations. p.o. box 174, lake
    elmo, mn 55042
   seventh generation fund, a private foundation controlled by
native americans that provides funding and advocacy for
native american environment, social justice and cultural
organizations. 1062 g. st., arcata, ca 95521
  white earth land recovery project, an effort to stop
  timber clear-cutting on the white earth reservation in
minnesota, and to recover the original land of the reservation. route 1,
ponsford, mn 56575
eyak rain forest preservation, a group that works to
  protect land, forest and water in alaska's prince william
sound, site of the exxon valdez oil spill. 430 w. seventh
ave., suite 21, anchorage, ak 99501

* does anyone happen to know if there is a songbook for strange fire (guitar)
available? i checked out ladyslipper but that seems to be the only cd they
don't have a songbook for.

* i know there are alot of guitar players on this list, but are there any
fiddle players who are willing to give a novice a few pointers?

thanks,

denise

the postmaster at connect-time's greeting card shop has a
card from lauren d. waiting for you at:

http://www.connect-time.com/cgi-bin/seasonsgreetings

please bring your pickup number: indi7044

p.s. you can go directly to your page at

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on fri, 6 dec 1996, rose west wrote:

> how about whether they wear boxers or briefs? ;-)

amy - boxers emily - briefs

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does anybody know how to play   power of two on the guitar?  i've been
trying and trying to get it.  i have the chords, but they aren't much
help.  well, what i'm asking is....are there any helpful hints or handy
tricks i should know to get this song down?  i really love it and so does
my g/f if you catch my drift ;)

i'm sorry that this is belated but i'm always at least a little behind on
my list mail reading.  amyray, what i want to say is that i'm surprised
that nobody mentioned emily's lyric change.  i have never been sure what
exactly to make of it.  i would love to hear all of your brilliant
insights.

going back to lurkdom,
erica

p.s. for those of you who don't know what i'm talking about emily sings,
"i wish i had a river so wide" instead of joni's "so long."

erica spizz wrote:
>
> i'm sorry that this is belated but i'm always at least a little behind on
> my list mail reading.  amyray, what i want to say is that i'm surprised
> that nobody mentioned emily's lyric change.  i have never been sure what
> exactly to make of it.  i would love to hear all of your brilliant
> insights.
>
> going back to lurkdom,
> erica
>
> p.s. for those of you who don't know what i'm talking about emily sings,
> "i wish i had a river so wide" instead of joni's  "so long."
>
> --
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> to unsubscribe, send email to listserv@netspace.org
>         with the line: signoff indigo-girlsactually..joni does sing..i wish i had a river so wide i could teach my
wings to fly....

hey y'all.....boy was i surprised to see the subject of this post on my "in
box."  i had to open it right away because l.m. mongomery was my favorit
writer when i was a kid and anne of green gables and anne of avonlea were my
favorite movies.  in fact, one of my friends asked me what video i felt like
watching on a dreary rainy afternoon yesterday, and my natural response came
as anne of green gables, of course.  since i am the queen of procrastination
(sp?) and i have mentally been preparing to study for finals for a full 37
hrs. now, i decided to check my emial, when what to my wondering eyes should
appear, but anne content.  in all the years that i have been loyal to anne
and dianna, i never once thought that there was some underlying theme of
their friendship being more than that.  the more i think about it, anne and
dianna had the ideal friendship.  as anne put it, they were "kindred
spirits."  they were destined for each other, but in a different way than
anne and "gil."  i may be extrememly naive and stubborn, but i think anne's
resentment of confromity to society was the major trait being expressed by
lm momtgomery and kevin sullivan.  anne was my idol when i was 12.  anne had
conviction.  whatever she did and whoever she was involved with became the
object of her total and undivided attention.  she was stubborn and true to
all.  she listened to no one, had the freedom to dream as almost no one else
does, lived out every dream of her own, and was the wisest character in the
stories.  anne was every woman's tomboy.  while i was climbing trees and
going exploring in the woods, my friends were kissing boys.  that didn't
mean that i didn't like them, but i was more interested in my imagination
and the outdoors.  i am still that way now.  i love walking outside in the
evening, playing wild and crazy pranks, doing romantically stupid things,
and riding my mountain bike while my friends are at formals.  one very
ignorant "friend" of mine asked my best friend if i was a lesbian.  now just
because i would rather do other things than act like your average american
girl, doesn't mean that i don't like men.  in fact, some of my best friends
are guys.  the reason for my present single status at the moment is the fact
that the next man i date must enjoy climbing trees with me and playing in
public fountains.  until i find a man who fulfills my dreams, i will remain
single.  i think that was anne's goal.  if you remember, she spent countless
evenings reading poems about love, fantisizing about her prince, and writing
about the love of her life.  all of these involved men.  if kevin sullivan
was trying to portray anne's and dianna's friendship as more, don't you
think he would have alluded to something else in their characters.
        theirs was the kind of friendship that every girl dreams of.
granted, anne was very jealous when dianna married fred wright, but wouldn't
you be if you thought that you were losing your best (and possibly only
true) friend in the world?  i may just be denying the fact that anne and
dianna had something more and i may just be blind, but i really don't think
their relationship went beyond sisterhood.  if anyone was portrayed by kevin
sullivan as a lesbian, try marilla or catherine brooke.  we know marilla
rejected her only love, but why?  and what is the real story on school marm
catherine brook (miss brook, a.k.a. catherine with a "c")?
        if anne and dianna had more going, then great!  one of my best
friends is gay, and the two people who have had the most impact on my life
are lesbians.  my favorite artist are gay.  in no way shape of from would i
admire anne's character any less if i thought her and dianna had a deeper
love.  another thing that bothers me is the fact that megan follows, the
actress who plays anne, doesn't seem likely to have accepted the part if she
was aware of kevin sullivan's plan to change the face of the friendship to
romantic love.  i'm sure i could go on for hours on this topic, but if
anyone feels the need to enlighten me on this topic, feel free,  please
don't flame me though! sorry this took so long!  now i will attempt to open
my chem text.

peace and procrastination,
mere

~:~:~:~:~~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~
"there's a thin line between
pleasing yourself and
pleasing somebody else..."
~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~
don't you think that anne
would have agreed with this?

what do you think is the best show (or shows) the indigo girls have ever
done? why is it?

it can be one you saw in person or listened to/watched a recorded version of.

i know that the best show that i have ever been to is the time i saw the
inidgo girls on their swamp ophelia tour in interlochen michigan.  they
played a sem-outdoor stage where you can see a lake behind the stage.
the sun set right to the right of the stage and made the water glow a
pinkish orange.  amy wanted everyone to dance, but the guards kept
telling us that everyone would have to sit down or go home.  everyone
finally sat back down...and during the last song, closer to fine, of
course, amy yelled....dance!  whoo hoo!  was anyone at this concert?

jamie a suthard
<suthardj@ralph.southwestern.edu>

hi guys .... i have a question for you all (y'all) ....

i finally got my z-24 back from the body shop (43 days in there !!!!0 ... and
i'm planning on trading it in and leasing a truck (i should have never got
ride of my other one - but that's a long story) .... my z is now sitting in
the garage, dead ... yep - it won't start ... i'll be out there jump starting
tomorrow morning to get it back to the shop at 6:30 am .... but to the reason
i'm writing ...

i'm gonna have to trade my z in (once they getting it running right) and
hope they pay it off .... and suggestions on what type of 4x4 to get into
.... i used to have full size ford bronco (gas guzzler) .... i'm trying to
get into a mid-compact pickup 4x4 with the extra cab ... i've looked at
everything .... ford, chevy, mazda, toyota, nissan, dodge, gmc .... you name
it ... i like the nissans and i really like the dodge dakota club coupe 4x4
slt (can you tell ????) .... but i'm looking for some opinions, etc .... any
help would be appreciated ....

i live on the south-east coast of connecticut, so last nights snow was just
slush .... but 15 minutes inland and it was 4" of snow .... with another
20-odd snowstorms due this winter, i need to get out of my sled-mobile and
into a truck !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

sigc: doesn't ms. ray have a truck or jeep ????

chris # ????

* a watched indigo never solos.

* sticks and stones may break my bones, and the closer we get, the
harder they come.

* step on a crack and you'll break a guitar string.

anna

best show i have ever seen was portland hte june 3, 1995.  hte was very
special not just a concert but more of a ceremony.  starting with drums and
chanting - reminding me of my women's circle at home in seattle.  i did not
know what to expect all i knew was that sarah mc and ig were gonna be there.
i did not know that this was a benefit to help protect sacred native land.
the concert was at portland meadows which is a race track (picture with
teepees in 1200 c is from that day).  the day was beautiful and hot.  there
were outdoor showers that people were standing in fully clothed to cool off
(myself included).  this beautiful women invited my friends and i to share
her blanket with her.  we fell in love and were in a long distance
relationship for 8 months :>) and :>(.

winona laduke spoke with a truth so strong it sunk into my heart so deep that
it still affects me today.  hte has been instrumental (definate pun intended)
in awaking an activist inside of me who is very determined to do what she can
in helping her mother!!!!  sarah was a vision with the voice of an angel.  my
feelings of ig's performance that day are so strong i dont know the words.
ig is still an inspiration and they touch my life every day with their music
and the way they live in their truth.  if anyone else was at that concert i
would love to share back and forth experience, so please e-mail me
personally.

great thread
peace
pj (who is feeling sad without the sun today)

>on fri, 6 dec 1996, rose west wrote:
>
>> how about whether they wear boxers or briefs? ;-)
>
> amy - boxers emily - boxers

peace,
amy

i'm still catching up on a lot of old mail, and i don't want to dredge up
any flame wars i might have missed, but, i've gotta step forward in nickie's
defense here.
as a 14 (almost 15, b-day this month! :) year old ig fan, i know exactly
what nickie is saying! it is extremely rare to find people my age who are
nearly as dedicated in their ig fandom as i am. at the same time, there are
tons of teenagers who know the chorus to ctf or lc b/c they heard it on the
radio or saw it on mtv, and i've gotta say, people like that drive me crazy
sometimes! i don't listen to the radio other than shows that are likely to
play ig type music, i don't watch mtv, and i couldn't care less about
whatever group is popular right now. it kills me to meet people who think
galileo or power of two is a cool song, but drop it as soon as something new
becomes "in." i hate that when i tell people at school that ig are my
favorite group, the first response i usually get is "eeeu, aren't they,
like, lesbians!?"
and yes, i've met a ton of cool people my age who aren't at all like that. i
don't like to perpetuate stereotypes about my generation, but i'm living it,
and it looks hopeless sometimes.
i've always felt accepted on the list, but don't assume that i'm a good
representation of people my age by any means!
ok, i'm done now!

:) abigail

...you agree to go with your dad and brother to see star trek: first
contact, just cuz amy was at the atlanta premeire!

...you actually manage to find some minor igc in the movie when, during a
pivotal action scene at the end, steppenwolf's "magic carpet ride" is
playing, and you immediately think, "hey, this was background music in boys
on the side too!"

:) abigail

hi everyone!  i'm writing a paper on the indigo girls for a class i'm
taking called "gender activism and rock rebellion."  i'm trying to situate
ig in modern culture.  (what place do they have in relation to other
artists as part of a cultural movement, what ideologies they are working
under/helping to create/perpetuating, etc).
here's where your help would be really appreciated:  i know we've all
shared these thoughts a million times, but just so i can quote you on them
(and give you credit too! of course.): i'd like you to tell me exactly
what it is that ig do for you.  why do you listen to them?  what does
their music mean to you?  why does it touch you/change your life/cause you
to do things (what things?) you might not have done w/ out their
influence?
do they/their songs give you "permission" to feel/express certain feelings
(sexuality, religion, power, volume, weakness, strength, uncertainty)?
do you see them as fitting into a current cultural movement/ideology, etc?
any help on this would be very much appreciated.  email me privately
(be81830@binghamton.edu) or to
the list if you really like the thread?
thanks!
heidi:)

***********************************************************************

a patti smith babelogue

   heroine: the artist. the premier mistress writhing in a garden graced
   w/ highly polished blades of grass...
   let us celebrate our own flesh-to embrace not ones race mais the
   marathon-to never let go of this fiery sadness called desire.

heidi lloyd
be81830@binghamton.edu

heidi, i hope this helps you some, but i think that this could be a good
thread!!! so here it goes!

i first started to listen to the girls before i had begun to really question
many parts of my life.  but i have always loved music, it speaks to me like
nothing else ever has!  anyway, ig really made me step back and look at my
life and the lack of happiness in it.  the more i listened, the more i found
that i could relate to so much that they were talking about.  i began to
explore myself and my feelings....which was quite frightening.  it was
almost if their music could make everything alright.  i was in my own little
world of saftey with only their lyrics to listen to.  gradually as time
passed i came to a realization about myself, and even began to feel
comfortable about everything.

there were so many times when i wanted to give up on everything and just
conform to what my family expected of me, but amy and emily just kept giving
me the courage to fight for my happiness. eventually other artists came
into the picture and they have done much of the same thing for me, but a and
e have been there from the start. it was almost as if to say, hey if ig got
through life, so can i!

well, i can't exactly find the right words that i want to describe about
what ig has done for me. it is as if they have given me that chance at a
peace of mind, another chance for "courage under fire."

right now i don't know where i would be without music, especially ig music.
probably in a fit of insanity!!!:)

well, i hope that this helped some with what you are looking for heidi. i
know that music means a great deal to everyone on this list, so i hope that
we are of some assistance!!!

take care everyone and have a tangled up in blue kind of day:):)

tucker

********************************
you have to laugh at yourself
because you'd cry your eyes out
if you didn't
---ig
*******************************

heidi - here are my thoughts, i hope they help......

i first started listening to the indigo girls in high school...(i am now
28 years old)... and for the first time in my life i had found a group
of musicians that really spoke to me.  not the person next to me, but
me.  i know many other people who have had the same experience with
their music.  each song i hear has a message for me that speaks to me in
a very personel way.   the song "loves recovery"  is one of my
favorites.  my sister and i had a rough time in grade shool...
regardless of that the song truly spoke to us after that experience.  we
we not liked and were outcasts in school.  this song made us feel like
we were no longer outcasts.  it bonded the two of us in a very special
way that is hard to describe.

later when "power of two" came out... i was comming out of the closet
and i truly felt that for the first time someone understood what i was
going through...looking for a long term relationship with another man.

all in all i think it was the personel connection they borught to their
music the has made me such a fan of their music.

hope this helps!

joe

i know there has been some debate about whether "blood quantum" will be on
their next album, but i'm praying willy hard that it will be because i love
this song!!! the harmony gives me chills! so yeah, if there is one single i
predict to be released it is that one. amazing that its basically the first
song they ever wrote together too.
does anyone know the guitar part?

obsessed,
sam

> i have a funny feeling it will be "get out the map" (for obvious reason and
> more)...but then again, it would be nice to hear "shame on you" on the
radio
> (if ig would ever get played in chicago)...hmmmmmmmmmmmmm. what do you
> think??

recently i think that their mesa show was the best on the demo tour.
maybe because i was there but i have all the other demo boots and mesa
is by far the best. as far as ig historic concerts i'd have to say it's
between their purple parrot show or the two shows they did when opening
for the grateful dead.some other favorites include dublin,ireland and erie,pa.
that's all,
ben

does anyone know if their next album is offically going to be called
"map". are there any other names under consideration?
ben

>i know there has been some debate about whether "blood quantum" will be on
>their next album, but i'm praying willy hard that it will be because i love
>this song!!! the harmony gives me chills! so yeah, if there is one single i
>predict to be released it is that one. amazing that its basically the first
>song they ever wrote together too.
>does anyone know the guitar part?
>

        i have to very strongly disagree with you sam...bq is part of a
daemon project and completely separate from what the girls release through
epic.  so i doubt it will be on the album...cancel that...it won't be on the
album but we still have many, many great songs to look forward to.
        and also, this is actually the fourth song they've written
together...check out the faq for the other four...
        pick up the honor 1 cd to get your daily dose of this song...and
also support hte with along the way...

peace,

jen

i believe that emily drives a 4 runner or something to that
effect...it's big and blue. :-)
janet, who's not even attempting the greek on the stars yet, just
what's in her textbook and thinks finals are icky

hi everyone,

i know that this has been discussed before (i remember a music teacher
posting about it, sorry i don't remember whom) but this came up this week-end
in a discussion i had about embedded musical pieces.

what piece do we hear in the middle of cedar tree? could you please email me
privately and enlighten me? thanks in advance...

went to see les miserables on fri and all i can say is *wow*. if anyone has
the opportunity to see it please do yourself a huge favor and go!

-sheri :)

/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
_    _----_          o   |...when you learn
{ ~\_/    o \   o  o      |to love yourself
{ ~ _  ]    <  o          |you will dissolve
{_~/ \_    _/             |all the stones
       \/--               |that are cast...
seaphish@aol.com         | -amy ray
seallen@sprintmail.com
\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/

hello everyone!

i'm sending this email to both the ig list and the dar list because i have
what i think is some good info, some of which is relevant to dar people,
some to ig people who like other performers...i have so much to say but
don't want to ramble so i'll try to be succint (sp?) where to begin...

ok, first of all, i saw dar last saturday and she was great as always.  but
i must say that the venue in which she played was great too.  she played at
the first universalist church in salem mass.  they said it held five hundred
people, but it didn't seem like it. it was a very intimate setting, a
beautiful church with a very tall and sweetly smelling balsam tree in the
corner behind dar.  it wasn't like your usual concert setting...it was like
going to your grandma's house, sitting around in the living room, and
singing songs (with dar williams - whoo hoo!).  and...here's the bonus...the
people who ran it (they call it "the universal coffeehouse" when an artist
is performing....) sold hot cider, coffee, tea, and homemade cookies, cakes,
and other treats in the next room!  it was like getting up from the living
room sofa, going into the kitchen, getting a snack, and then going back to
your place in the living room to hear the music.  ahhhhh!  doesn't that
sound nice?  have i adequately expressed the feeling one gets when you see a
show there?  i hope so... now, guess who will be playing this spring?

january 11      cheryl wheeler
january 25      patty larkin
february 8      martin sexton
february 22     christine lavin
march 1         john gorka
march 22        vance gilbert

what a line up!  now, for you dar fans with a frownie face 'cuz you missed
this great show saturday  :o(   --  have i got a surprize for you!  there
were video cameras in the room filming the entire show!  i talked to the
cameraman after the show, and he told me they were filming for salem
community television...they will be filming all the above mentioned
performers, and in a couple of months, the show (maybe a compilation) will
air .  i gave him my business card (never leave home without them!), and he
said he'll  email me to let me know when the show will be on.  now, here's
the problem...i don't live in salem, so i need to find someone who does who
will be willing to videotape this show when it airs, and then we can set up
a tree if people are  interested. (if you live in salem, mass, please email
me privately...i really want a copy  of this show when it airs....please oh
please...).

i think if i'd was reading this post, i'd probably want to stop right about
now (it is getting long...sorry)

to sum up...if you like any of these performers, make it a point if you can
to see them at the universal coffee house. just don't tell your grandma you
liked their sugar cookies better than hers.....
joni :o)

i was in austin for the kgsr 107.1 birthday party on friday night. was
anyone there?
would anyone like to email privately about their thoughts on the show and
shawn colvin? anyone get a boot? just curious. . .

jamie a suthard
<suthardj@ralph.southwestern.edu>

evenin' folks,
the wise sherlyn once said:

> - "the early bird gets the worm" becomes "the early
> girl gets the black beans and rice"
>

very very good, dear. _or_ as we well know: "the early fan gets the front
row." ;) (or gets trampled on a few rows back.)

lessee what else we can come up with:
"good as gold." should definitely be: "good as indigo."

"all's fair in love and war." has _unfortunately_ become, "all's fair
when it's general admission."

"a bird in the hand is worth..." no, on second thought, i don't think i'm
going to touch that one.

someone else's turn.
folkisgruven,
lorindigo

still driving...
lorinda wright           the trouble in my head is getting closer and closer
washington university     to my legs i've got to walk it out. and the trouble
st. louis, mo             with my heart is that i can't rip it out. and the
                          trouble with myself is that i don't know me.
                                                        -melissa ferrick
                    i will not be complacent

actually, i have to say that i agree with whomever saw more to anne
and dianna than friendship.  (has anyone else ever thought it was
neat that their names are so similar?  or is that just me?)  after
reading the books, i was convinced of it.  now, i certainly don't
think that they were lesbians as we think of today...it's unfair to
pin a modern social construction on them...but i think they were more
along the lines of a "boston friendship" or something.  i'm not
saying that they were lesbians, just that theirs' was an incredible,
special relationship, and it would be unfair to label them either as
"just best friends" or lesbians.
my .02...
peace,
janet, still procrastinating

i'm just whipping out the random trivia questions these days! :)

so here's the question:

what does a call her grandmother?

respond privately, & i'll post the results...

andi

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                      e-mail: ablipman@sas.upenn.edu
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"no, i do not like dildos"-rss
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hey y'all!! how's everyone tonight? i'm about as bored as humanly
possible...anyhow, i was just listening to heart's album "little queen," and
was wondering how many heart fans there are on the list. i've really gotten
into their music lately for some reason. i prefer their older stuff like
"dreamboat annie," "magazine," and "little queen," but "bebe le strange"
holds a special place in my heart (probably because it's just really weird).
what do y'all think of heart?

btw, i think the ig could do a great cover of "soul of the sea" with em
taking ann wilson's lead vocal. had to put just a little igc in there ;)

jendy

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        "love is all you need."
                        -john lennon
        "money ain't so bad either."
                        -me

http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/alley/9404/macca.htm

i just have to say that this list is such a great place.  --susan, thanks
for your letter!!!:)  i just got into another mailing list, and it is not
all that friendly right now:)  i will miss it soooooo much over christmas
break, but it will make it all the more fun to come back in january.  well,
back to my research paper on child abuse---what a sad topic:(

well all, thanks for making me laugh, cry, listen, and question!!!:)

love ya all---esp. amy and emily for giving us all a reason to communicate:)

peace and happiness on an indigo day...tucker

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you have to laugh at yourself
because you'd cry your eyes out
if you didn't
---ig
*******************************

hi ya'll,

i had to share this one with you guys.  when i first came to school i had
just started listening to ig so i played it nonstop.  well after awhile my
roomate started to get sick of them-she would make a face everytime-yet she
would allow me to play them.  well as the semester goes on i find her
singing along more and more abd she even said she wasn't sure what she was
going to do without them on break.  so yet another ig fan emerges.  just
thought i'd share.  thanks for listening.

stacey (who is trying to finish her engineering project by tuesday while
nursing herself back
to health from the flu)

p.s. thank to lauren d. for the greeting card - happy holidays to everyone.

> what do you think is the best show (or shows) the indigo girls have ever
> done? why is it?

i have seen them in concert four times. once i was even in the front row
and amy shook my hand. but...whenever i listen to the 1200 curfews track
of 'language or the kiss' i am swept away...what makes that crowd scream as
amy sings "oh mercy..." towards the end of the song? i melt, want to move
to atlanta and start a band whenever i hear that. was anyone at that
concert? can anyone tell me what she did?

peace ya'll, kim (north vancouver)

i recently purchased my 2nd bfe album (i hate parties) and i've got a
question about a song on it that maybe someone can answer. a&e do backing
vocals on a great song called "animal" but there's another song that
intrigues me, mostly cuz it's called "amy no"
i know that amy is good friends with members of the band, and i'm wondering
if anyone thinks that that's a song for her or something. i haven't listened
to the song much yet, and once i look at the lyrics i'll probably realize
i'm wrong, but in the mean time, i'm looking for any insight you guys might
have to offer.

:) abigail

i thought that all of you out there in indigo land who are procrastinating
as much as i am just might get some use out of this. now why are you
reading the posts? go......get now.......you, go study......turn off your
computer....

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why are you still looking at this screen......get a life......go to sleep or
study!!!!!!!!!! good luck all.

peace and procrastination,
mere

p.s.
stop reading !!!!!!!! ;)

dear listers,
i was just doing my laundry and since its really boring just sitting
there i always bring my walkman and usually something to read. so as i was
listening to mapped (thanks sundara:-) ) i was reading this article in
request magazine about r.e.m and their contract and the point is...i was
wondering how many albums the ig are contracted to produce with epic? also,
any idea when their contract expires? just curious...
wishing everyone a happy holiday (whichever one you may celebrate),
david

>>>i have seen them in concert four times. once i was even in the front row
and amy shook my hand. but...whenever i listen to the 1200 curfews track
of 'language or the kiss' i am swept away...what makes that crowd scream as
amy sings "oh mercy..." towards the end of the song? i melt, want to move
to atlanta and start a band whenever i hear that. was anyone at that
concert? can anyone tell me what she did?<<<

of course, i had to pop in my copy of 1200c after reading that. i click
shuffle, and what song winds up first but...you guessed it. i think the crowd
screams to applaud emily's a cappella section...you'll notice that the screaming
starts just as it ends.
kirsten

hi y'all,

to answer abigail's question about "amy no" from the latest bfe
release...according to michael lorant, it's not about amy (the amy) although
he said it could be viewed that way at times...especially during the jcs
production days when all he seemed to be saying was "amy, no..." (this info
is from memory off of a amy and friends at eddie's attic boot from may...so
forgive me if it's not word-for-word!! <g>)

jen
"just remember nothing is the end of the world,
until the world comes to an end" es

kirsten wrote: <i think the crowd
<screams to applaud emily's a cappella section...you'll notice that the
screaming
starts just as it ends.

i have to agree with that. i know that em's a cappella part blew me away
(but then again everything em does blows me away) and i'm sure that audience
felt the same way. she had so much feeling and emotion in her voice. that
just makes the song seem more real imho. and then the applause!!! wow! it's
good to know that other people like the same things you like, isn't it? am i
being redundant again? ;)

jendy

http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/alley/9404/macca.htm

abigail wrote:

<<i know that amy is good friends with members of the band, and i'm wondering
if anyone thinks that that's a song for her or something. i haven't listened
to the song much yet, and once i look at the lyrics i'll probably realize
i'm wrong, but in the mean time, i'm looking for any insight you guys might
have to offer.>>

and jen wrote:

so of course i had to listent to my "amy & friends" boot...

before michael lorant sings "amy no," he jokes about it being about amy...

ml: i did not write this about amy, although i did say, "amy no" a lot
during jesus christ superstar.
ar: i won't say you did. he played it when we were over at somebody's
house, and i was hoping it was for me.
ml: you were in my mind when i wrote it.
ar: thank you.
ml: no, i wrote it in atlanta.
ar: you did?
ml: yeah, it's about moving down to atlanta. come on...

and they continue to joke around... :)

sorry if i got some of their words wrong...it's a little hard to make out
exactly what they're saying...

andi

"i'm sick of all this class stuff."-dana grasso, my roommate
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hey! that reminds me, i had a great ig moment in the paper zone store on
friday. i was getting some stuff for the holidays and they were playing
some xmas compilation cd and i heard the familiar jingle bells intro...and
there was joni singing away...believe it or not i hadn't heard joni's
version yet (i am a joni fan but sadly only own a few of her albums...)
and it was a very life-affirming moment. <------- wow!

*************************************************************************
"some people wear their hurt on their sleeve
i wear mine under my right pant leg, strapped to my boot..."--ani
******gwen keyt******
seattle pacific university
bsn class of 1997
gkeyt@paul.spu.edu
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/notime1/home.htm

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part i:(nigc)
i've changed my e-mail account:
old one: <fnoguerd@etsit.upv.es>
new one: <maror@teleco.upv.es>
ferran nogueroles d'oliveira & monica soutto
universitat politecnica de valencia
valencia,the catalan lands(still spain,but not for too long),europe
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part ii(igc general info)
in response to:
*(2) who are k's choice? what have they put out and, more to the point,
*what have they done with ig?
(thi is a re-sent from several months ago:)

poprock band from belgium led by sarah & gert bettens
, were support act for ig in europe and america.
sarah's voice get's me every time.
they did rockin' in the free world with the ig.

they have two albums:
-the great subsconcious club(1st as the choice,later as k's choice)
-paradise in me:really a bomb,an incredible rock album.to us (ferran
& monica) it has been this year's discovery.this album is incredible,
wonderfull,awesome,...no words to explain

more comprehensive info in this website:
http://dra.nl/~kschoice/
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part iii-overexposure:

yeeees,... i want to be overexposed to them:to rem,ig,tracy chapman,
k's choice,housemartins ,billy bragg,...to those whom i really love,but
that's my choice.almost the rest of the country(valencia & by extent,
spain) have no choice to even hear them!!!i want to overexpose them,too.
don't be wrong!!! and that's the rule:,you all know that if you are not
supported by your record company,you
have a very few possibilities to get to the people:the people
on the street buy what they hear.they can't be interested in something
they don't know.i don't want to have the best music for a few privilege.
i want the best for them.they deserve that:yeees..rem,ig,tracy,..
if nkotb,take that or mariah carey can play empty & stupid songs about
"lalala i love you, lalala i need you",be airplayed around the world
from sf to moscow & sell zillions cd's...if groups like oasis show
themselves with an incredible prepotence & arrogance,and later they
win a number of brits &/or grammys...

i n fact,the 99,99% of the music that it's broadcast:radios,tv,press,...
have no comparisson with them...

why don't they deserve this or more,too???if for us,really die-hard fans,
has been very difficult to have enough material:imports from the us,
driving to barcelona's record collector fair,...why can't we go to
a shop and get something of them(as with the rest of the bands)??

this is not justice:if they are the best,the most deep lyrics,the
most interesting performers,the most honest...they deserve the
best (& that includes an overexposing campaign,don't worry about
that:i won't get tired of them.in fact it can serve to see them
in other ways:the more i hear them,the more i discover them)

ferran nogueroles d'oliveira & monica soutto
universitat politecnica de valencia
valencia,the catalan lands(still spain,but not for too long),europe

sorry,i resend it 'cause it has been rejected:
from: ferran nogueroles d'oliveira <maror@teleco.upv.es>
organization: universitat politecnica de valencia
to: indigo-girls@netspace.org
subject: fnoguerd@etsit.upv.es & re:need info for web page! (long)

poprock band from belgium led by sarah & gert bettens
, were support act for ig in europe and america.
sarah's voice get's me every time.
they did rockin' in the free world with the ig.

more comprehensive info in this website:
http://dra.nl/~kschoice/
------------------------------------------------------------
part iii-overexposure:

i n fact,the 99,99% of the music that it's broadcast:radios,tv,press,...
have no comparisson with them...

ferran nogueroles d'oliveira & monica soutto
universitat politecnica de valencia
valencia,the catalan lands(still spain,but not for too long),europe

i must, once again, differ with my bud - the grrl of knowledge - 's
interpretation... i think that the crowd groan is not for the emily section.
then again. i am biased on several levels.

c'mon, kirsten.. spar wit me. ;-)

tracy <slightly bored right now waiting for next qtr to start so *i* can
stress about school stuff again!!!!>

"the story was not very solid,
and one man was too stupid to sympathize with."

-- jeni saulino, 2-10-94

   please excuse the waste of bandwidth. i just switched to the digest
version and i wasn't sure how it worked so...
   btw, to all of the nice people i am trading with: i am working on getting
everything out by the 17th of december, so if i owe you anything and you
haven't gotten it yet, let me know, please. :)
   thanks to everyone who has helped me build my list! this list is full of
lots of cool fans.

peace,
margot

"great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre
minds."

~~albert einstein

> does anyone know if their next album is offically going to be called
> "map". are there any other names under consideration?
> ben

i'm on the digest so apologies if someone already said this. a group of us
ran into russell carter in new orleans on the street and he promptly blew
us off (grin -- i don't blame him) but one of his friends stopped to chat
for a minute. he said the next album would probably be called "shame on
you" so i'm assuming that was the #1 choice back in may 96. however the
'demo tour' t-shirts have "map" on the front in big letters and there have
probably been other verbal confirmations from ig people (if not a&e
themselves) that it *will* be called map. at this point i'd be surprised
if it is named something else. it's a great title -- a lot of
possibilities for cool cover art and it has multiple layers of meaning.

i cast my vote for the first single being "shame on you" because it is
very radio friendly and it simply *rocks* :)

kristina

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the greek upon the stars http://www.az.com/~andrade

to all you nyc area listmembers, there's a bunch of very cool shows coming
up at the bottom line in the next month or so. but, i left my voice at home
this morning and don't know all the dates, etc....

but, during dec., we have jane sibbery (doing an evening of x-mas inspired
music), dar williams, and christine lavin (with three others, but it's not
four bitching babes).

check time out ny or the voice for show times.

and, disappear fear was last friday. grrrr. sorry to have missed that one...

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i was just sitting here listening to ani, and a thought came into my head:

if ig, ani, shawn colvin, kristen hall, joni, melissa, tracy chapman, joan
armatrading, dissapear fear, dar williams, cheryl wheeler, christin lavin,
mary chapin, and cris williamson and tret fure, ect... were all in one room
with you and a few friends, what would you really want to talk about? what
would you want the conversation to involve?

then after the conversation was over and everyone had to go home, but amy
and emily needed a place to stay, so you invite them over. they give you a
personal concert:), then you sit down to coffee...what would you want to
talk about with just a+e?

can you tell that i spend way too much time doing anything but work?

take care everyone:)
tucker

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you have to laugh at yourself
because you'd cry your eyes out
if you didn't
---ig
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hi everyone,

before i get to the real subject, i just wanted to say thank you to the
folks who thanked me for posting the ig creative loafing article. 'twas a
pleasure. :) one of the many things that struck me is the serendipity of
a&e's lives, that they took a native american studies class together in
college and then years later are doing the hte campaign, together. pretty
neat, not to mention inspiring.

now ... thanks to all who participated in the little trivia game! hope 24
hours was enough time for people to get their answers in ...

anyway, the only song in which the ig who did not write it sings the last
line solo is -- jonas and ezekial. (i had to check the album to make sure i
got the spelling right.) emily ends the song with the dineh/navajo
prayer/hymn, "now i walk in beauty ..." (btw, can anyone confirm that this
is a sacred prayer? i'm sure a&e would not sing it if they thought they were
denigrating anyone's faith.)

a couple of folks mentioned reunion as a possibility; i decided not to count
it because, technically, it is amy who ends the song with the word, "you."
(in case there is confusion, emily is the one who is singing "i had guards
like watchdogs, dogs in a manger" while amy sings "i remember you.") it's a
close second, though. :)

the early bird prize goes to deb r. :) here's a list of those who answered
correctly, in the order i received them: greta, dwayne, otts, wendell,
sharon (sparke61), elizabeth (wishmonstr), gwendigo, and shana (jak).
congratulations!

oh, and special mention for the cutest response goes to elizabeth
(wishmonstr), with the runner-up being greta.

thanks again!

anna

with the whole crowd, it would be very difficult to come up with a
topic... maybe politics and music, but the last thing i'd want to talk
to any of these people about would be music. its their job and if i
had the crowd over to my house informally, the last thing i'd want to
do is but them back into their work roles.

with amy, i'd try and convince her of the superiority of babylon 5 over
star trek (at least the modern incarnations). this would probably bore
emily to tears. =)

with emily, i'd try to get advice on how to raise a good herb garden
-- mine keep dying....

just killing thyme,

chris

http://www.mit.edu:8001/people/cmbecker/home.html [my homepage]
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attached is the email i sent to stephen. i think that the ig's must want
teenagers to be able to reach them (oh boy-if i had only had something like
that in high school...) they have announced that they will do a tour
"especially for high school students" next year...

hey stephen,

welcome to the list! i think there are a few other "teenagers" here, don't
worry. i do understand your point, though. appriceation of the indigo girls is
certainly big enough for enyone who wants to be there, i say. and i know the
girls share your opinion, because their last newsletter said they were going to
do a 1997 tour "especially for high school students". some people just don't
like to share... but i say those people are just old grumps. love is only love if
you give it away, same with music really....

take care

-larissa

hello everyone:

greetings from chicago... i hope everyone is well.   i am hoping that
someone has some information regarding any new concert dates in the
chicago area.   if any one knows when the ig will be back in the windy
city please mail me privately.  thanks!  i would appreciate it.

peace to all and to all a good night.

joe

the prayer at the end of jonas and ezekial is indeed (i am almost positive)
a sacred navajo prayer.

***the interesting thing about this prayer for me is that before i had even
started listening to the ig's, we would sing this at camp. i never realized
it was even on any of the ig songs until last year, when i got 1200 c.
after i heard it i called some camp friends and told them to listen
carefully to what was being said.---anyway, it was a neat connection for me:)

cheers for the last day of classes:)
tucker

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you have to laugh at yourself
because you'd cry your eyes out
if you didn't
---ig
*******************************

on mon, 9 dec 1996, tracy - bounding around seattle wrote:

> i must, once again, differ with my bud - the grrl of knowledge - 's
> interpretation... i think that the crowd groan is not for the emily section.
> then again. i am biased on several levels.
>
> c'mon, kirsten.. spar wit me. ;-)
>
kim from n.v. who started this tangent from carolyn's wonderful thread
thinks kirsten is wrong also, i'm an amy person and in my imagination she
has taken a little break as emily sings her heart out, then returns much
to the awe and (fill in your motivation here) of the crowd...anyone else
have an opinion? peace, kim n.v.

hi again!
thanks to all of you who've been sending me such great responses to my
what
the indigo girls mean to me....question!
i saw in a post a little while ago someone mentioned riot grrls.  i think
there's very little actual connection between ig and riot grrrls. but, i
was
wondering how y'all (especially you feminists) feel about ig's use of
girls as their name even though they're full grown women now.  if they
never marry (men) does that mean they'll never surpass "girl" status. does
"girl" seem to keep them marketed toward/accessable to a younger (perhaps
collegiate) audience?  would you say that them always being girls is in
any way related to how black men during/after slavery were called "boys"
instead of men; or do you think girls is empowering?
heidi:)

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a patti smith babelogue

heidi lloyd
be81830@binghamton.edu

december 9
squeeze@utkux.utcc.utk.edu (suzanne)
happy 21st, suzanne!!
but nobody gets a lifetime rehearsal
as specks of dust we're universal
to let this love survive would be the greatest gift that we could give

have an indigo year!

the weekly reminder: anybody who wants their birthday noted to the list
can let the birthday goddess know, simply by replying with the info you
prefer (age, favorite song/quote, name, whatever optional).

the bg hopes everyone is surviving finals well. and to you fortunate ones
who are already done, stop gloating. ;)
love,
you know who

|| with emily, i'd try to get advice on how to raise a good herb garden
|| -- mine keep dying....
||
|| just killing thyme,
||
|| chris

ltic! (laughing till i cough)

but back to the original question....it is *such* a good one, i must
say...and this may not be my last post on it...

*i* would like to know about the songs that they've written that they
*don't* record, don't perform in concert, don't sing for anyone except
their close friends or maybe just themselves.  and if there are any
songs they've shared then regretted sharing.  if they feel empty inside
after pouring their hearts out onto a piece of paper and then singing
them into the wind of a packed auditorium.  if they ever just feel
lonely, like sometimes following the dream just isn't enough.  i know
language or the kiss is about this, but do the feelings keep reoccuring?
when you play in front of thousands of people watch them leave in pairs
then wake up alone, do you ever wish you weren't so famous, so you could
let your guard down and meet some of the crowd for yourself, looking for
your own new friends?  how *do* you make friends with someone who thinks
she knows you so well already, who you know nothing about?  have you ever
felt an actual connection with someone who came up to thank you after a
concert and you wanted to go out for a cup of coffee and a night of
conversation, but you couldn't because that would mean inviting a zillion
other fans which would ruin the whole thing?  what letters have moved
you, and how have you written back?  who's the first person to hear your
lyrics?

that's how i'd start.....but by the time it was only emily and amy and me
they'd be asking *me* questions, leading the conversation, and if you're
talking about stuff like this in a cozy living room (i'm picturing a cozy
living room even though i've only got a dorm living room right
now....maybe we'd be hanging out in the writer's house down the street)
you'll hug goodbye and want to talk again.  i think we do the _before
sunrise_ thing and decide to meet in some cafe after newport '97.  the
three of us do dinner--chapin arriving mid-way through--and then everyone
else joins us for coffee.  what happens this time, i'll save for the next
post, and hope you all are believing in my fantasies.

....audrey

on mon, 9 dec 1996, ferran nogueroles d'oliveira wrote:

> yeeees,... i want to be overexposed to them:to rem,ig,tracy chapman,
> k's choice,housemartins ,billy bragg,...to those whom i really love,but
> that's my choice.almost the rest of the country(valencia & by extent,
> spain) have no choice to even hear them!!!i want to overexpose them,too.
> don't be wrong!!! and that's the rule:,you all know that if you are not
> supported by your record company,you
> have a very few possibilities to get to the people:the people
> on the street buy what they hear.they can't be interested in something
> they don't know.i don't want to have the best music for a few privilege.
> i want the best for them.they deserve that:yeees..rem,ig,tracy,..
> if nkotb,take that or mariah carey can play empty & stupid songs about
> "lalala i love you, lalala i need you",be airplayed around the world
> from sf to moscow & sell zillions cd's...if groups like oasis show
> themselves with an incredible prepotence & arrogance,and later they
> win a number of brits &/or grammys...

as a fellow european ig fan i have to agree with much of this, but i think
a distinction should be made between "exposure" which means doing
everything epic *aren't* doing at the moment - ie. promoting their
records, and actually releasing them (only three of ig's albums - ig, rop
and so - are available in the uk, except on import), and "overexposure"
which means giving them saturation play on the radio and making them mime
on "top of the pops" (yuk!).   as for the other acts mentioned, rem get
loads of airplay in this country at any rate, so does billy bragg when he
produces stuff (which he didn't from 1991 until this summer) and the
housemartins split up around 1989, although the spin-off, the beautiful
south, get loads of airplay.   i agree entirely about noel "i hope the
manic street preachers die of aids" gallagher and his idiot band, oasis,
and can't wait for them to split up and give our ears a rest;  as for
nkotb, take that (hey, and what about bros??) they are produced for a
*completely* different audience, who aren't looking for anything deep or
meaningful, just for something to dance to and to pretend to themselves
that they love a member of the band and that the member concerned loves
them.   i really can't see them promoting ig instead of any of this
rabble, it just wouldn't sell!

>
> i n fact,the 99,99% of the music that it's broadcast:radios,tv,press,...
> have no comparisson with them...

it depends which shows you listen to. i hardly ever listen to pop radio
shows, because the bulk of what's played there is, admittedly, rubbish.
but there are plenty of shows which play decent music, in england at any
rate (eg john peel, johnny walker, bob harris ...).

> why don't they deserve this or more,too???if for us,really die-hard fans,
> has been very difficult to have enough material:imports from the us,
> driving to barcelona's record collector fair,...why can't we go to
> a shop and get something of them(as with the rest of the bands)??

well i haven't been to a record collector fair, but i like delving in the
shelves of my local second-hand store ... you can get all sorts of
interesting records there (i've even seen neil young boot cd's, but they
don't seem to sell them anymore). if you want those old gate-fold lp's
you can't get them anywhere else.

> this is not justice:if they are the best,the most deep lyrics,the
> most interesting performers,the most honest...they deserve the
> best (& that includes an overexposing campaign,don't worry about
> that:i won't get tired of them.in fact it can serve to see them
> in other ways:the more i hear them,the more i discover them)

well why not get in contact with radio stations and ask them if they know
about ig, and suggest that they get hold of their stuff - or send them a
tape yourself? that's what (some) presenters in the uk do, if someone
turns them onto a good artist, they play their records, and if it
generates interest, then it might even mean the record companies listen.
give it a try ...

for my part, i think it's ludicrous that a company like epic hasn't
managed to promote the igs enough for them to be even known in the uk -
never mind having hit albums or singles.   if they were signed to a minor
label like windham hill or olivia (a folk label and a women's label,
respectively), then i could understand, but epic's promotion record in the
uk has been one fiasco after another.   plenty of songs the girls have
written could have been hits:  tried to be true, watershed, galileo, least
complicated.   someone needs to give those executives at epic a good kick
up the backside!   (mind you, i'd rather be a fan of a band nobody's ever
heard of than of a band which had a single hit a few years ago and have
come to be considered "has-beens".)

mat

if you haven't read the first part yet, do that first. here's the
continuation of the story. tucker, hope you're there.

it's hard to keep up a regular friendship with someone who's not
geographically close, but it's also nice to be able to talk about the
greater themes of your life with someone instead of the day-to-day
crises.  there are times of the year when we tend to stop and reflect for
awhile and there are people we see who make us reflect.  a relationship
with a travelling artist is likely to be of the latter kind.  amy and
emily know this, and that's why we decide to just meet the next summer
rather than keep in touch.

over dinner the conversation begins with catching up.  "when we last
talked you were talking about going back to your novel, what happened
with that?"  "your new songs seem a lot more defined and accessible than
usual, amy---is that a consious effort?  did life just reveal itself to
you?"  and somewhere along the line emily makes a joke, starts talking
about this crazy thing that happened on the tour, and then we start
talking about big dogs or fresca or winnie the pooh.

by this time the conversation doesn't *need* to be deep.  deepness is good
for establishing a friendship, but it's also good to just be able to hang
out and get silly.  so when everyone else comes into the cafe (that
includes a bunch of you, who'd i'd just met at the show, wearing our
spiffy new shirts) i'll be putting on my jester hat to demonstrate my
juggling talent.  i juggle one duck named romeoandjuliet.  i throw him up
from my left hand, catch him in my right, and bow.  you all clap.

i'll let you imagine the rest of the evening....but we do begin a sort of
tradition. i confess that i've never been farther west than disney world
so we agree to meet sometime at red rocks, but someone is working on an
art exhibit for school in the fall so we decide to take an extra day of
thanksgiving vacation to check it out and hang out in a dorm room because
the person (which of you is it?) is an ra, and we get yelled at for noise
and then busted for alcohol, but we all pull out our ids and the guy who
busted us just shakes his head as he walks away, and we promise to be
quiet but we just start laughing and rolling on the floor as soon as the
door closes, frosh again.

....audrey

....and then if ig wanted to take you on a vacation anywhere in the world
where would you choose?  if you could buy anything you wanted while on
vacation what would it be?  if they (ig) gave you money to donate to your
favorite charity (while you were on vacation buying anything you wanted)
which would you choose?  if you met someone who wanted to cut your hair
(while you were on vacation buying anything you wanted donating to your
favorite charity) how would you cut it?.............:>)   :>)

sorry tucker hope you dont mind my poking fun at your post.

peace

pj (who is so sorry for the obnoxious post but couldnt resist cause she is in
such a great mood cause she is getting a kitty of her very own today at her
favorite animal shelter)

::snip snip::

>(especially you feminists) feel about ig's use of
>girls as their name even though they're full grown women now. if they
>never marry (men) does that mean they'll never surpass "girl" status. does
>"girl" seem to keep them marketed toward/accessable to a younger (perhaps
>collegiate) audience? would you say that them always being girls is in
>any way related to how black men during/after slavery were called "boys"
>instead of men; or do you think girls is empowering?
>heidi:)

this in is just screaming at me...  i don't count myself as a feminist, but
i have to say i think it's fine...  i mean, they chose the name right?  the
word girl isn't derogatory, and nobody seemed to be offended about the title
"boys on the side," (i gotta see that...)   i think that this particular
(non)-issue is one of overreading and, well, has anyone read the story
harrison bergeron?  what vonnegut says about equality, utlimately, is sort
of similar to what i'm saying...  id est, equality is fine, but too much
b.s. tacked on is just stupid.  i would have been happy to have called the
band amy and emily, but they went for ig, so i'm happy with that...

just $ zero point zero two,

alec

hi all!
i was just wondering if anyone out there would be so kind as to describe
for me what the map demo tour shirts look like...they are available
through the fan club, and i am considering buying one, but i have no
idea what they look like - i only heard that they were pretty cool.  can
someone fill me in on the specifics please?  thanks y'all!
aaaargh...it's finally happened - i used the expression "y'all".  i
guess there's no turning back now ;)
carrie
(who is enjoying a most lovely rainy day here in california!)

at 10:46 pm 12/4/96 est, kirsten chevalier wrote:
>greg^h^h^h^hamy, are you listening?
>kirsten

how many of us -- i'm curious -- have been using our computer long enough
to know what the ctrl-h's mean. my computer won't even let me do that anymore!

reply via email....

tony
....................
tony at mendina                   "the only thing to prevent
mendina@utdallas.edu              what's past is to put a stop
dallas, texas usa                 to it before it happens."
972-907-1057                        --sir boyle roche

ok folks, i'll kill two birdies with one stone here - start a new thread
(my first, goodie!) *and* solicit ideas for the pnw party this week:

"what ig party games can y'all invent?"

to start with, all i've been able to come up with is "pin the kiss on amy
or emily" (your choice). if you're a straight woman or gay man, you can
pin the kiss on the cheek; all alternatives, plus any adventurous
straight girls/gay boys, get to pin the kiss on the lips. object is the
same as "pin the tail on the donkey", of course.

my gf sue also thought of "bindigo" - ig bingo! but we're trying to
invent some witty details to the game to make it uniquely indigo.

ok, y'all, have at it! these can be specifically holiday party games, or
just regular any-old-time party games.

kathy

i thought of this last night and just want to declare:

i'm very proud to be an obsessed fan of a group that can fit the
phrase "nuclear annialation" (sp?) into a song so smoothly. i don't know
any other group that could do that with such class.

that's my thought.

joanne

"i stood without clothes, danced in the sand.
i was aching with freedom and kissing the damned."
-- fugitive

i would think "hey kind friend" would be soooo awesome as a independent
video, maybe an mtv vid -- i dunno. i would also think dont give that girl a
gun would blows minds as a lead off single. winthrop maybe as a second, i
can see an excellent video (in my mind) of how this could work. i dunno --
shame on you is good but just too poppy, i think it would turn off alot of
people who listen to adult alternative.

completely different thought: the ani video is umm strange. i sorta like it.
anyone got boot videos of her yet....

mike r.

okay here's a drinking game for the holidays or for any old time

just gather your friends around (equipt with shot glasses),and go
around quoting ig song lyrics, whoever messes up or can't think of one to
say has to drink!!!

well y'all it's the thought that counts. ;)

happy holidays,
carolyn

hey everyone,

carolyn said:
> just gather your friends around (equipt with shot glasses),and go
>around quoting ig song lyrics, whoever messes up or can't think of one to
>say has to drink!!!

or how about watching "live at the uptown" or listening to some
kind of live recording (boot or otherwise) and whenever you hear
a or e say "y'all" you have to drink...

hehe,
sherlyn
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- sherlyn koo - sherlyn@fl.net.au -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
"and it's alright if i feel afraid,
  my plans in pieces, my plans mislaid.
  it's the will of the way, the will of the way,
  the will of the only way that could've brought me here today,
  and it's alright."            - emily saliers

my favorite (spelled *favourite* for fellow canadians) show has to be
toronto, may 1 1990.  i had just seen ig open for rem in 89 and had
memorized the first album.  the concert was at convocation hall, which is a
fairly intimate venue, which was really nice.  despite the fact that the
overall concert was excellent, i just received the boot and i have another
reason to make it my fav.  during kf, not many people knew to sing michael
stipe's part, but a few of us in the audience did, and i'm sure i can hear
myself singing!  (i know that sounds pretty unlikely, but i'm sure my ears
have selective hearing that no one else's ears have! =d)

was anyone else at this show? if anyone wants to trade for the boot, email
me. thanks to carolyn i should have a few other toronto shows soon too.

anyway, i just had to share the joy of this with you listees. does anyone
else "appear" on a bootleg out there? (screeching at bumbershoot doesn't count!)

lori

"i sit at my table and wage war on myself"
rem

on mon, 9 dec 1996, joanne wrote:

> i'm very proud to be an obsessed fan of a group that can fit the
> phrase "nuclear annialation" (sp?) into a song so smoothly. i don't know
> any other group that could do that with such class.

i think the same goes for "upper echelons of mediocrity." actually, i
can't think of any other group to whom that phrase would occur :)

--jenn. brown
reveling in $0.28 nail polish from eckerd...

i agree with jen as to blood quantum but my question is this: will wild
horses be on the album. they certainly played it enough on the demo tour
and they've done covers before (i.e. romeo and juliet). what do you guys
think?

peter a. barta
bartap@bulldog.georgetown.edu

"everything that i believe,             "i want to live as an honest man,
crawls from underneath the streets.      to get all i deserve,
everything i truly love,                 and to give all i can,
comes from somewhere high above."        and to love a young woman
                                         that i don't understand."
                        - amy ray
                                                - suzanne vega

sherlyn koo wrote:
>
> or how about watching "live at the uptown" or listening to some
> kind of live recording (boot or otherwise) and whenever you hear
> a or e say "y'all" you have to drink...

hey, i *like* it... it's the egalitarian ig party game - everybody gets
plastered at the same rate! although wee small little people would be at
a disadvantage i guess....

on mon, 9 dec 1996, galileo wrote:

> i was just sitting here listening to ani, and a thought came into my head:

(snip!)

>
> can you tell that i spend way too much time doing anything but work?
>
yes.

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"http://ucunix.san.uc.edu/~vogelap" "the only way out is through."

hi y'all

i have a new kitten.  he is male and all black.  i am looking for ig related
names for him.  please mail back to me personally pjhoopie@aol.com (all caps,
sorry for yelling, except the @symbol).  he is so cute i think i'll go to
woolworths and buy him a ring.  he is very feisty.  his b'day is 9/9/96.

thanks and peace
pj

i vote for it's all right as the first single. it's got a good beat,
you can dance to it, and it says some things that everyone needs to
hear.

hugh barroll

responding to the message of         sun, 8 dec 1996 19:16:24 -0500
from         jen lucero <jlucero@monmouth.com>:
>
> >i know there has been some debate about whether "blood quantum" will be
> on
> >their next album, but i'm praying willy hard that it will be because i
> love
> >this song!!!  the harmony gives me chills!  so yeah, if there is one
> single i
> >predict to be released it is that one.  amazing that its basically the
> first
> >song they ever wrote together too.
> >does anyone know the guitar part?
> >
hey kind friends...
i hope that they leave blood quantum off "map" for one reason:  a lot of
people wouldn't buy honor 1 if the song were available on a regular album,
and it needs the sales!! i hope i'm not stepping on any toes here, but the
reason that most of us bought honor 1 was becasue of the indigos
affiliation with it.  there's great music on it and i'm glad i bought it,
but i probably would never have even considered buying it if it weren't for
the daemon?hte thing.  by putting the song on a proper ig album, i have a
feeling that sales of honor 1 would lag as a result.

just a thought...
stephen

hi y'all...got to jump on this one:

>i'm very proud to be an obsessed fan of a group that can fit the
>phrase "nuclear annialation" (sp?) into a song so smoothly. i don't know
>any other group that could do that with such class.

>i think the same goes for "upper echelons of mediocrity." actually, i
>can't think of any other group to whom that phrase would occur :)
>

and one other...

"i took a hold on the stronger half of nature's dichotomy"

jen

"just remember nothing is the end of the world,
until the world comes to an end" es

> >
>
> and one other...
>
> "i took a hold on the stronger half of nature's dichotomy"
okay, so which song is this from?

other candidates:
--"the edge of death would disappear, leave me nothing left to taint"
--"every step you take becomes a twist of fate"
--"tripping in our yellow feet, checking underneath our sheets"
--"the larger than life and the power of seeming certain"
--"who delivered to you the power to interpret calvary?"
--"it's hard not to rock the boat when you're sailing against the undertow"
--"the curse and the blessing are one and the same, baby it's all such a
treacherous gain"
--"i'm working through the grammar of my fears"
--"lives led in discontent, trading misfortunes"
--"the question drowns in its futility"
--"this is what i know of shame forever"
--"now i see your face before me, it would launch a thousand ships to bring
your heart back to my island as the sand beneath me slips"
--"sentiment given and sentiment lost, you shook it off with a smirk and a
toss"
--"one less life for the maker, one more song for the taker"
--"i've seen kingdoms blow like ashes in the winds of change but the power
of truth is fuel for the flame"

and of course, let's not forget the infamous...
--"feeding the cancer of my intellect, the blood of love soon neglected lay
dying in the strength of its impurity"

of course, some would argue that that one doesn't fit too well in an *ig*
song either. ;-)

kirsten

in a message dated 96-12-09 15:17:50 est, matt writes:

<< agree entirely about noel "i hope the
manic street preachers die of aids" gallagher and his idiot band, oasis,
and can't wait for them to split up and give our ears a rest; as for >>

i've been wondering about oasis...they get sooo much hype
in the us music press, from where i sit they appear to
be pretentious assholes who make unremarkable,
but pleasant pop music..
i just don't see what all of the fuss is about.
whats the deal with them anyway ?

oh ! and just so you all know (this is real important)
mtv did some expert research and discovered
that popular culture is shifting.....no more nihilistic
dark depressing stuff !!!
the kult of curt and trent is out baby !
the economy is doing good and people want to
be happy! happy ! happy !
be afraid...be very afraid....
(sneer)
bink

in a message dated 96-12-09 16:05:54 est, you write:

<< wanted to cut your hair
(while you were on vacation buying anything you wanted donating to your
favorite charity) how would you cut it?.............:>) :>) >>

uhhh so like if ar or es wanted to cut my hair ?
(okay i know thats not what you meant...but hey...it's my reality)
anyway ....forget it !!! uh uh no way....i'm sure
they write very nice songs and sing good and all that...but
that doesn't mean they have any business cutting hair !!!
no sireee !
i've been there before and let me tell you it ain't pretty !!!
(especially at a party where there is heavy drinking going on }:)
love !
binky
and don't anyone go quitting the list because it's too silly
and/or inane...just settle down for gods sake ;)

okay...first off..i'm not much for party games of
any variety...buuuut......howboutthis ?????

we put little pieces of paper describing different ig haircuts
in a hat or whatever and whichever one you pull out...you have to get
your hair cut right there by another party goer };)

( i hope i get 'bald' ;)

nyuk, nyuk !
binky bee

aaaawwww!!!  i love you all sooo much!!  i just wanted to thank everyone
who has written me and said they will miss me and offered me computer
help!!! i will try to respond to everyone of you, but life is kind of crazy
right now, hee, so i may be a little flaky.  but, i appreciate all the help
more than you can imagine!  i didn't know i was so loved :)  i should be
getting the computer in the mail sometime next week, so then i'll be
contacting some of you about modems and other stuff that you all have so
kindly offered to help me with.  thank you thank you thank you!!!!

(hi marianne!-hee)

peace, love, and hollyday parties,

sundara, a badass crackhead (which is a very good thing :))

"oh my goodness, oh my goodness" --one of the orphans from annie

what about doing a sing down....everyone is split into even groups, and two
or three people come up with random words that appear in ig songs.  you
start out fairly general with words such as love.  each group has to sing a
part of an ig song with that word in it.  if they miss....chug a lug
dearies!!!  anyway, you go until people can't stand anymore, or noone can
think of a song:)  each word constitutes as a round, and the same song can't
be sung twice in the same round.

no, i didn't just think of this game, it has been played before, and is
quite fun:)

hey, it was just an idea:):)
take care--tucker

********************************
you have to laugh at yourself
because you'd cry your eyes out
if you didn't
---ig
*******************************

hey everyone! okay, so the party is gonna be saturday, the 14th, at 7 pm
(or around that time) at kathy millers house. to get directions, please
email me, and i will forward them to you.

we will not be playing binky's hair game. nosirree, not gonna do it. hee,
although the y'all drinking game sounds like fun.

it's a potluck, so bring a vegetarian dish, it doesn't have to be vegan.
and please bring your own plates and glasses, kathy's gonna provide
cutlery. hee. and bring something to dish up your dish. hee. i'm just
giggly tonight. also, it's byob, so if you wanna play the drinking game,
bring whatever.

possible activities that have been suggested are, guitar playing and
sing-a-longs, watching ig videos, and all the fun games you all are coming
up with.

i think that's it. email me and i'll send you the directions. i'm so
excited, cause this should be fun! yay for us!

peace, love, and hollyday parties,

sundara, a badass crackhead (which is a very good thing :))

"oh my goodness, oh my goodness" --one of the orphans from annie

hello kings and queens of your teenage dreams!

okay, so we seem to all agree that its pretty likely that the new album will be
called "map". um, okay. map. yeah. its...a nice title. but....its a little
blah, ya know? so i thought, if the universe were perfect and emily and amy
read this listserv (on second thought...), and if they asked us what we thought
the title for the new album could be, we should all come up with some ideas.

how about....

"as folkee as they wanna be" (cover art: emily and amy in full hiphop attire,
arms crossed over their chests, back to back....a la flavor flav and public
enemy circa 1990)

"hey kind friend! buy this album wouldja?"
(cover art: amy and em in front of wal mart, pointing at the big sign that says
"all cd's 9.99")

"shame on you, ya dang republicans!" (cover art: amy and em perched atop a real
live elephant giving the bird to newt gingrich on the ground)

okay, its your turn, wanna play?

well hell y'all, what would you expect from....
susan
ps no flames from repubs, please. some of my best friends are republican :)

a bit earlier tonight kirsten asked:
>>
>> "i took a hold on the stronger half of nature's dichotomy"

>okay, so which song is this from?
>

i'm not sure if this was meant to be a general trivia question or
very specific, but since i posted the quote...it's from "leeds".

jen

"just remember nothing is the end of the world,
until the world comes to an end" es

hey this is scott in alaska, and thought that i would say hi, i have not
been on for a while and see that i have missed a lot. big hug to you all!
bye for now
scott \,,/,

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         ----->> #1
         which of the following movies would you most like to see
         an all-nude version of?
         a) the sound of music
         b) herbie, the love bug
         c) the towering inferno
         d) flashdance
         e) old yeller
         f) the big chill
         g) witness
         h) other_______________

         ----->> #2
         which of the following sitcoms would be most improved if you
         could add porn star chesty morgan to its cast,
         retroactively?
         a) laverne & shirley
         b) silver spoons
         c) who's the boss?
         d) leave it to beaver
         e) my three sons
         f) kate and allie
         g) other_________________

         ----->> #3
         which of the following alternative rockers would you most
         like to see in victoria's secret lingerie?
         a) alanis morissette
         b) liz phair
         c) billy corgan
         d) marilyn manson
         e) shirley manson of garbage
         f) michael stipe

         ----->> #4
         which star would look best after a sex change?
         a) sandra bullock to sam bullock
         b) johnny depp to jolene depp
         c) leonardo dicaprio to leona dicaprio
         d) brad pitt to peaches pitt
         e) mariel hemingway to marv hemingway
         f) alicia silverstone to "big al" silverstone

         ----->> #5
         choose the sexiest nonhuman from the following list:
         a) smurfette
         b) the bionic woman
         c) natasha henstridge as the alien in species
         d) daryl hannah as the android in blade runner
         e) the borg queen in star trek: first contact
         f) jane curtin as "prymaat conehead"
         g) hello kitty
         h) mrs. butterworth
         i) my mother the car
         j) the robot in metropolis
         k) the stepford wives
         l) frankenhooker
         m) elizabeth montgomery as samantha in bewitched
         n) kristen johnson as the alien babe in third rock from the
         sun
         o) dorothy stratten as galaxina
         p) machine from mann and machine
         q) rosie, the jetsons' maid

         ----->> #6
         if mattel were ever to give the ken doll* a penis, it should
         be ...
         a) 1/3 of an inch or less
         b) 2/3 of an inch
         c) an inch or more
         d) ken is fine the way he is

*ken is 11 1/2 inches tall.

         ----->> #7
         which of the following female stars would you most like to
         see become a lot curvier?
         a) winona ryder
         b) claire danes
         c) juliette lewis
         d) pj harvey
         e) gwyneth paltrow
         f) dolores o'riordan from the cranberries

         ----->> #8
         which of the following male stars would you most like to see
         become beefier?
         a) ewan mcgregor (trainspotting)
         b) the artist formerly known as prince
         c) leonardo dicaprio
         d) michael jackson
         e) trent reznor of nine inch nails
         f) kenny g

         ----->> #9
         which of the following 90210/melrose place women is most
         likely to pose naked for playboy at some point in her
         career?
         a) tori spelling
         b) jenny garth
         c) tiffani-amber thiessen
         d) laura "sydney" leighton
         e) josie bissett
         f) gabrielle "andrea" carteris
         g) courtney thorne-smith

         ----->> #10
         male full-frontal nudity is still taboo in mainstream
         hollywood movies. were that situation to change, who would
         be most likely to let it all hang out?
         a) brad pitt
         b) bruce willis*
         c) billy baldwin*
         d) mark "markie mark" wahlberg
         e) liam neeson
         f) antonio banderas
         g) other_________

*already attempted full-frontal nudity; scenes were cut by
studio.

----->> #11
agree or disagree with the following rumors:

         a) advertisers really do plant subliminal messages
         in liquor ads.
         agree/disagree

         b) those male underwear models are encouraged to "excite"
         themselves before advertising photo shoots.
         agree/disagree

c) jamie lee curtis was actually born a hermaphrodite.
agree/disagree

         d) richard gere did, in fact, dally with that notorious
         gerbil.
         agree/disagree

e) bill clinton is unusually well endowed.
agree/disagree

         f) in real life, the actor who played grandpa walton (will
         geer) was flamboyantly gay.
         agree/disagree

         g) keanu reeves was romantically involved with the actor who
         played the white mighty morphin' power ranger.
         agree/disagree

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fill in the blanks:

a) when i was growing up, the first tv character (or show)
to turn me on sexually was: ___________________________.

b) why?__________________________________________________.

         ----->> #13
         which of the following child stars will grow up to be
         ugliest?
         a) jonathan taylor thomas ("home improvement")
         b) the olsen twins ("full house")
         c) andrew lawrence, the youngest lawrence brother on
         brotherly love
         d) mara wilson ("miracle on 34th street," "matilda")
         e) lacey chabert (claudia in "party of five")
         f) macaulay culkin ("home alone")

         ----->> #14
         good or bad in bed? speculate on the following celeb's
         sexual aptitude (select one):

tv host david letterman good / bad
tv host jay leno good / bad

lifestyle expert martha stewart good / bad
lifestyle expert rupaul good / bad

mtv's tabitha soren good / bad
mtv's kennedy good / bad

president bill clinton good / bad
first lady hillary clinton good / bad

dr. ruth good / bad
dr. joyce brothers good / bad

rocker alanis morissette good / bad
the smashing pumpkins' billy corgan good / bad

space ghost good / bad
casper the friendly ghost good / bad

friend jennifer aniston good / bad
friend courteney cox good / bad

----->> #15
if you had to speculate, which of the following are virgins?

         mr. clean                               yes/no
         the pillsbury doughboy                  yes/no
         the energizer bunny                     yes/no
         the michelin man                        yes/no
         the kool-aid jug                        yes/no
         the grinch                              yes/no
         aunt jemima                             yes/no
         shaggy from scooby doo                  yes/no
         the smiley face                         yes/no
         robin from batman                       yes/no
         space ghost                             yes/no
         the hobbit                              yes/no
         barney                                  yes/no
         the hamburger helper glove              yes/no

         ----->> #16
         i would most like to have illicit sex in ...
         a) winnie the pooh's cave (pooh would be absent)
         b) big bird's nest
         c) wonder woman's invisible plane
         d) the flintstones' rock quarry
         e) the little house on the prairie
         f) the starship enterprise
         g) other___________________

         ----->> #17
         which of the following couples is the most homoerotic?
         a) batman and robin
         b) bert and ernie
         c) joey and chandler on friends
         d) jerry and george on seinfeld
         e) abbott and costello
         f) the tick and his sidekick, arthur

         ----->> #18
         which of the following would you most like to watch having
         an orgasm?
         a) speedy gonzales
         b) the tasmanian devil
         c) foghorn leghorn
         d) snuggles, the fabric softener bear
         e) woody woodpecker
         f) james earl jones
         g) other_______________________

         ----->> #19
         i'd be most afraid to see michael jackson produce offspring
         with ...
         a) elvira
         b) anna nicole smith
         c) tammy faye bakker
         d) kerry strug
         e) courtney love
         f) diana ross
         g) other_____________________________

         ----->> #20
         which of the following celebrities would you most like to
         eat?
         a) meatloaf
         b) neneh cherry
         c) darryl strawberry
         d) fiona apple
         e) dogbert

         ----->> #21
         who ranks as the sexiest schoolteacher of all time?
         a) miss crabtree from the little rascals
         b) michelle pfeiffer from dangerous minds
         c) ms. crabapple from the simpsons
         d) sting in the video for "don't stand so close to me"
         e) sidney poitier from to sir with love
         f) gabe kotter from welcome back, kotter
         g) ms. beetle from little house on the prairie
         h) other_______________

         ----->> #22
         which of the following groups is most likely the product of
         inbreeding?
         a) the osmonds
         b) the baldwins
         c) the waltons
         d) the jacksons
         e) the smurfs
         f) the muppets
         g) other__________________

         ----->> #23
         which of these songs contains the most realistic "orgasm"?
         a) donna summer, "love to love you, baby"
         b) prince, "let's go crazy"
         c) led zeppelin, "whole lotta love"
         d) duran duran, "hungry like the wolf"
         e) the red hot chili peppers, "stone cold bush"
         f) other_______________________

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hey y'all...

okay, so an update on the progress of soc dubbing says that all of the blanks which i have received thus far will have been sent out with or before tomorrow's mail. my tape decks are issuing mass amounts of smoke (as is my brain), but other than that my afore mentioned both end candle burnings are officially over, so to anyone that was afraid to make a request due to my snappishness, i apologize and re-open the offer.
also, to all the pnwers (and otherwise) that are planning to attend the party on the 14th...i'll miss you!! i'm going to have to request a leave of absence for this particular get together because of prior holiday/family/there-is-no-way-in-hell-that-you're-getting-out-of-this-one obligations. sundarling assures me that there will be another in the relatively near future (you do realize that this means you can't leave, right hon). in the meantime, y'all will just have to sing "chiapas bound" in my honor & know that i'm with you in spirit.

...still mentally dancing barefoot in the mud...
greta --who, while making pasta for dinner this evening, realized the artichoke brand name was cara mia, and immediately burst out with "you hurt my feelings...why...why..why...", earning an odd look and an "indigo girls, i'm assuming?" from her sweetheart.--

"i am so middle class i am so middle class i am so middle class..." -a. ray

|| hey, i *like* it... it's the egalitarian ig party game - everybody gets
|| plastered at the same rate! although wee small little people would be at
|| a disadvantage i guess....

first you'd have to compute your body weight and tolerance level to
determine the size sips each person would be allowed to take. that way
it would be completely egalitarian (how i love that word!). the person
who wound up doing all the computations would get to choose the type of
alcohol consumed.

....audrey

hey there y'all! in lieu of all the christmas shopping going on at the
moment, i've got a question fer ya. if you could buy emily and amy anything
you wanted for christmas, what would you buy? now i realize that you'd
probably have to know more about them personally to pick the perfect gift,
but from what you *do* know about them, what would you get them? i have no
idea what i'd buy, but i thought it might be interesting to hear everyone's
thoughts. everybody here is so creative. i'm sure some of y'all will come up
with some pretty good ideas. money isn't an option. pretend that you can buy
them anything.

now we'll all know how amy feels when she listens to emily perform "river."

;)

jendy

http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/alley/9404/macca.htm

the question was: what does a call her grandmother?

the answer is from an interview on wumb in boston from 8/2/89...

<<interviewer: amy, you have a funny story too. i was reading some article
about your grandmother writing to hee-haw.

a: yeah, she did.  her name's...well, i call her mammy...she's my
grandmother.  yeah, well, she got me a job at a cocktail party when i was,
like, 16 cause she was the secretary at this, like a phone-answerer, at
this hairdressing salon place, and the guy that ran it had a cocktail
party, you know, schmaltzy. (they laugh.) and uh, so uh, no anyway, she was
really into the music, so she wrote a letter to hee-haw and said i should
be on the show cause i was great and all that stuff.  cause she thought
what i was doing was country.  i guess it kinda was at that time...more
country than anything else.  but they never wrote her back or anything,
so...

interviewer: so, she dropped it there?

a: she dropped, uh, she might have written two, but she kept telling me
that they hadn't responded, so. but she comes to hear us all the time and
stuff.

interviewer: that's great.

a: she's into it, yeah.>>

so there it is...a calls her grandmother mammy!

the real winners are pj <pjhoopie@aol.com> and veronica <vjt8118@is4.nyu.edu>.

my favorite comments were from veronica who said, "sounds like an awesome
mammy to me," tucker <tbranham@richmond.edu>, who said, "oma?   german for
grandma!:),"  audrey <abstein@force.stwing.upenn.edu>, who said, "bubbe,
and grandpa is zayde," and rebekah <rss163@psu.edu> who first said, "old
bag?" and then changed it to "bubba," if i remember correctly.  special
awards go to xorinne, warrior princess, who doesn't seem to get my posts
about her, but will hopefully get this one, my bf, who is completely
ignoring me, & binky, b/c she cracks me up! oh, and dana, my roommate gets
a special thank you for putting up w/ me while i transcribe these little
interviews...she started reciting this one, i listened to it so many times!
i feel like i'm accepting an award here or something w/ all these thank
yous... :)

andi

"i'm sick of all this class stuff."-dana grasso, my roommate
-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-

actually this is a pretty fun game...
i was at a party on the night of oprah winfrey's interview with michael
jackson in 92? and we drank everytime he said, "i cried..."....i counted
seventeen times in one hour.

on mon, 9 dec 1996, k miller wrote:

> sherlyn koo wrote:
> >
> > or how about watching "live at the uptown" or listening to some
> > kind of live recording (boot or otherwise) and whenever you hear
> > a or e say "y'all" you have to drink...
>
> hey, i *like* it... it's the egalitarian ig party game - everybody gets
> plastered at the same rate! although wee small little people would be at
> a disadvantage i guess....
>
> km
>
> --
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>

(snip)

i am going out on a limb here, while we're talking about the "nature's
dichotomy" thing...
is there anyone else out there that just hates that line? i mean, don't
crucify me or anything, but it is the only ig lyric i have ever heard that
i just hate. it is soooo contrived. not to dis emily or anything...i
mean, whatta songwriter, y'all know i'm a true fan, i'm not defecting or
anything, but it grates on my nerves everytime i hear it.

i agree with you, jen, that no other group would ever think to put those
two words into a song (not even sting, also known for his nickel words)
and i love ig for their expansive vocabulary. don't get me wrong! but i
was just wondering if anyone else feels this way about these two words in
leeds?

>
> >i think the same goes for "upper echelons of mediocrity." actually, i
> >can't think of any other group to whom that phrase would occur :)
> >
>
>         and one other...
>
>         "i took a hold on the stronger half of nature's dichotomy"
>
>
>                 jen
>
>
>
> "just remember nothing is the end of the world,
>      until the world comes to an end"  es
>
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>

> --"it's hard not to rock the boat when you're sailing against the undertow"
> --"the curse and the blessing are one and the same, baby it's all such a
> treacherous gain"
^^^^

either kirsten or i have a mr. limes here....
i thought it was "treacherous game"...?

on mon, 9 dec 1996 mmedido@aol.com wrote:

> in a message dated 96-12-09 15:17:50 est, matt writes:
>
> <<  agree entirely about noel "i hope the
>  manic street preachers die of aids" gallagher and his idiot band, oasis,
>  and can't wait for them to split up and give our ears a rest;  as for >>
>
> i've been wondering about oasis...they get sooo much hype
> in the us music press, from where i sit they appear to
> be  pretentious assholes who make unremarkable,
> but pleasant pop music..
> i just don't see what all of the fuss is about.
> whats the deal with them anyway ?

well i've heard that noel and the boys are going into the studio soon to
record yet another album of garbage. but all is not lost: gallagher is
quoted recently as saying: "i see it as three albums, and that's it".

>
> oh ! and just so you all know (this is real important)
> mtv did some expert research and discovered
> that popular culture is shifting.....no more nihilistic
> dark depressing stuff !!!
> the kult of curt and trent is out baby !
> the economy is doing good and people want to
> be happy! happy ! happy !
> be afraid...be very afraid....
> (sneer)
> bink

well personally i prefer nirvana to any of the bullshit which is likely to
come up in this new "happy" music, although trent (reznor, i presume?) is
a completely different matter. i don't care that much, i hardly ever
listen to chart music these days anyway, and if a band i like hits the
chance, i don't need the radio to play it to me, i can go out and buy it
myself.

mat

remember this...?  thought it was time to re-post a compilation of the ones
i reckon are the best - feel free to offer better suggestions, and thanks to
all those who contributed!  also, these 'best' ones just about scan if you
try to sing it!  so, all together now for a global community sing-a-long...!

on the first day of christmas my true love sent to me
a lone coyote in a cedar tree

on the second day of christmas my true love sent to me
two - that's the power of...
and a lone coyote in a cedar tree

on the third day of christmas my true love sent to me
three hits to the heart son
two - that's the power of...
and a lone coyote in a cedar tree

on the fourth day of christmas my true love sent to me
four years prostrate to the higher mind (works if you sing it fast!)
three hits to the heart son
two - that's the power of...
and a lone coyote in a cedar tree

on the fifth day of christmas my true love sent to me
five steps down
four years prostrate to the higher mind
three hits to the heart son
two - that's the power of...
and a lone coyote in a cedar tree

on the sixth day of christmas my true love sent to me
six pick up sticks
five steps down
four years prostrate to the higher mind
three hits to the heart son
two - that's the power of...
and a lone coyote in a cedar tree

on the seventh day of christmas my true love sent to me
seven b-grade movies
six pick up sticks
five steps down
four years prostrate to the higher mind
three hits to the heart son
two - that's the power of...
and a lone coyote in a cedar tree

on the eighth day of christmas my true love sent to me
eight hundred miles to el paso
seven b-grade movies
six pick up sticks
five steps down
four years prostrate to the higher mind
three hits to the heart son
two - that's the power of...
and a lone coyote in a cedar tree

on the ninth day of christmas my true love sent to me
nine skipping stones
eight hundred miles to el paso
seven b-grade movies
six pick up sticks
five steps down
four years prostrate to the higher mind
three hits to the heart son
two - that's the power of...
and a lone coyote in a cedar tree

on the tenth day of christmas my true love sent to me
a ten dollar raise
nine skipping stones
eight hundred miles to el paso
seven b-grade movies
six pick up sticks
five steps down
four years prostrate to the higher mind
three hits to the heart son
two - that's the power of...
and a lone coyote in a cedar tree

on the eleventh day of christmas my true love sent to me
eleven warriors raging
a ten dollar raise
nine skipping stones
eight hundred miles to el paso
seven b-grade movies
six pick up sticks
five steps down
four years prostrate to the higher mind
three hits to the heart son
two - that's the power of...
and a lone coyote in a cedar tree

on the twelth day of christmas my true love sent to me
twelve hundred curfews
eleven warriors raging
a ten dollar raise
nine skipping stones
eight hundred miles to el paso
seven b-grade movies
six pick up sticks
five steps down
four years prostrate to the higher mind
three hits to the heart son
two - that's the power of...
and a lone coyote in a cedar tree

phew! try fitting all that lot in your christmas stocking!

seasons greetings,

**************
seffy
cod==#
**************

hey guy's and gal's =)

        ok if i had to think of getting amy and emily somthing for
christmas, i would get them each a plane ticket to alaska, and have them
over for dinner...cook'em thier favorite dish, and go do some hiking!
i would love to do this!  so...amy & emily, if you are listening, come on
over =) i will send you the ticket's!  maybe if you come here for your
next concert, i can show you around some great very spiritual hiking
area's in alaska!

this would be my return too you, for all that you have given me with
your music. merry christmas to you both!

bye for now
scott (in alaska)
assms6@uaa.alaska.edu

>
> > --"it's hard not to rock the boat when you're sailing against the undertow"
> > --"the curse and the blessing are one and the same, baby it's all such a
> > treacherous gain"
> ^^^^
>
> either kirsten or i have a mr. limes here....
> i thought it was "treacherous game"...?
>
>
according to the swamp ophelia lyric sheet, it's "gain"...
kirsten

okay, its kinda girls-related, honest! :)

i need the names...as many as you can think of...of prominent native americans
(contemporary please, no dead guys like geronimo). email me privately, please.
if people want a list i'll keep it tabulated and send it out later. thanks!

susan

hey y'all.....

if i were in the room with all those incredible women, first of all i would have to pray to be able to speak, i would be so overcome.... but i would have several questions for them--

i would want to know about their writing order--do they do lyrics or music first--or is it a combination? do they have an idea of the lyric when they start, or do the lyrics simply come out of the music?

then, i'd want to talk about literature....see what authors really do it for them. then, if they hadn't read alice walker's poetry, i'd make 'em...kind of a hostage-at-gun-point poetry reading....

later, when people started to read, i'd talk mary-chaping into hanging out with amy, emily and me, and we'd have cocoa, sit by the fire, and talk about growing up....after all, mary-chapin wrote most of her songs about me....

-rich

okay, i was talking to sundara the other day (hi sundara), and we came up
with a thread y'all might like...if this should happen to offend anyone
because of their religious beliefs, please refrain the flame, this is
intended to be all in good fun, in other words, we are only jokin' brutha.
=)
okay, so say that being an ig fan is the religion, and amy and emily are
the high priestesses. that would make atlanta kind of like mecca and
concerts are the worship gatherings....can anyone else contribute an
analogy to this silliness?

:)
marianne
**********
"i feel like i'm over the water,
but i'm caught in the tide
tell me are you calling to me,
does this come deep from inside?
carry me away,
under the water, over the line..."
--amy ray
**********

ok here goes.
all their songs are hymns.
ig t-shirts are the holy vestments (is that the word?)... or maybe
they're like nun/monk suits (which we lowly followers wear), while plaid
flannel t-shirt w/jeans and/or overalls are the holy vestments worn only
by the high priestesses.
rice cakes are bread (communion wafer), & herb tea is the wine.
we're all disciples... or rather we're just followers & russ rutter, sara
lee, etc, are the disciples.
singing closer to fine at the end of a concert is the closing ritual to
bring the energy back down (we can mix religions, right?)
the golden rule is the same.

kathy

|| okay, so say that being an ig fan is the religion, and amy and emily are
|| the high priestesses. that would make atlanta kind of like mecca and
|| concerts are the worship gatherings....can anyone else contribute an
|| analogy to this silliness?

i've thought about this briefly before, and only half-joking.  *we* are the
first-generation founders and followers.  we worship in a kind of
down-to-earth sort of safe way, we agree with much of the gospel (lyrics)
but don't accept it all blindly.  we create our own rituals, (like this
listserv), and accepted practices (like blanks and postage only;  limits
on discussion of a&e's personal lives--all listed in the faq which is
another piece of gospel).  we loosely define the what is important in the
history (shows/tapes like the painted parrot and blue food; involvement
with honor the earth) and we worry about the future (increasing
popularity; younger folk listening who might be misinterpreting).  it's
this last part where it gets sticky.....defining for ourselves is fine,
but if a new generation comes along and blindly accepts everything we've
set out, then it becomes more of an organized religion and begins to fall
apart.  but imagine how cool judaism might have been at the beginning, or
what it might have been like sitting around the table at the last supper
or writing parts of the new testament.  and think about the grateful
dead, and what happened when jerry garcia died.  there are tons of
similarities......the distinguishing factors seem to be whether a human
is declared a god and whether the entire culture may be questioned and
changed.  the path as i understand it goes from culture to cult to
organized religion.  i like culture myself....and this is a good one.
thanks, y'all.

....audrey

p.s. the shirts are ritual garb. nigc threads are community bonding.
(how would you define russell, or the ig newsletter, or official website?)

sorry to take up bandwidth, but i just learned that willie porter's
previously out of print first cd, the trees have soul, has been remastered
and is now avaliable again (at least here in milwaukee). i know someone on
the list was looking for this cd a while ago, but i can't recall the name.
if you are that person please contact me, and if the cd isn't available
where you are, we can work out me tracking down a copy for you.

deb

well given that they're rich enough to get themselves any consumer goods
they feel a need for, and given that they're the type who would
appreciate this, i would probably donate whatever my budget for their
gifts was to charity. i'd give amy's half to a battered women's shelter
and emily's half to an environmental group.

                andrea crain *** internet: acrain@knox.edu
              *** knox college, galesburg, illinois, usa ***
       *** world wide web: http://members.tripod.com/~andreamer ***

\ ig as religion (joke)

kathy--i don't know if i'm ready to be a disciple--exactly what are my duties

peace, russ

for anybody who noticed my typo & thought i was a dweeb - i meant russell
*carter* as a disciple - but russ *rutter* gets to be one too since he
sends us cheap hte & s.o. t-shirts! guess that makes the latter russ the
'sacred provider of the holy ritual garb'.

kathy

would the song books be a type of bible to their preaching?

nick

where am i?

this may be a little late for some of you to get before break, i forget
that not everybody has as short of a break as i get.  :(  but this is the
official structure for the telluride tape tree.  it's set up  by month with
overflow branches as well as branches for canada and europe.  please
contact your branch to set up the details.

the set up is standard. you can set up a trade with a branch or send a
blank tape and a self addressed stamped envelope to get your copy of the
tape. high grade tapes are preferred due to the fact that the quality will
deteriorate with each generation.

jan. - chris p. - cs942108@ariel.cs.yorku.ca
feb. - joan c. - jcyr@mit.edu
mar. - jamie s. - suthardj@ralph.southwestern.edu
apr. - jen l. - jlucero@monmouth.com

may. - rob - phite@cybergate.net
jun. - bluemoon - bluemoon@tital.iwu.edu
jul. - nick - ndishler@mail.bcpl.lib.md.us
aug. - bren - blf2222@aol.com

sep. - beth l. - b_lyall@ix.netcom.com
oct. - lisa l. - lwloutze@students.wisc.edu
nov. - joanne - indigo@kirk.anderson.edu
dec. - veronica - vjt8118@is4.nyu.edu

europe - klaus - emrich@computeam.de
canada - denise - deng@vnet.ibm.com

overflow:
jan-apr - mel - mellie2@aol.com
may-aug - shanna - sfreeman@coe.uga.edu
sep-dec - kim - kluce@best.com

thanks to all of the branches for their help! enjoy the tape!

later,
lisa

lisa nordeen
head women's basketball coach
university of minnesota, morris
(320) 589-6429 (o) (320) 589-4782 (h)
nordeelm@caa.mrs.umn.edu

"there's only one way, i'll surprise you, that's by showing up at
your front door. saying let's not ask what next, or how or why,
i'm leaving in the morning so let's not be shy."
-ani difranco

>rice cakes are bread (communion wafer), & herb tea is the wine.

instead of herb tea, shouldn't that be throat coat? and wouldn't that make
the paper cup that holds it the holy grail? or, for the sake of the old
timers, should we not go there again? ;)

deb

subcribe indigo girls digest

yay marianne and sundara! good thread (it's cute)!
that would also make:
their songs into hymnals, their causes would be required if you
want to get into heaven (and what a great heaven it would be =), their
friends and associates would be the priests and priestesses, and all our
list shirts and concert shirts would be religious attire, suitable for
church wear. <grin>
let me tell you, i'd be in church all the time if this happened!

=),
sherri

******************************************************************************
"there is a theory which states that if ever anybody
discovers exactly what the universe is for and why it is here, it will
instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and
inexplicable. there is another theory which states that this has already
happened."
-douglas adams
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at 08:06 am 12/10/96 -0800, marianne barlow wrote:
>okay, so say that being an ig fan is the religion, and amy and emily are
>the high priestesses. that would make atlanta kind of like mecca and
>concerts are the worship gatherings....can anyone else contribute an
>analogy to this silliness?

howabout: the buying of an album is like tithing....concert tickets are
second (or sometimes even third) collections (familiar to many churches :p
). boots are the little tracts people are always reproducing and handing
out.....when do we get our tax exemption? <grin>

tony
.................
lone star                                       "the only thing to prevent
tony a.t. mendina                       what's past is to put a stop
lonestar@dfwmm.net                      to it before it happens."
                                                 --sir boyle roche

ummm... okay, so is grapenuts like holy manna, or what???
peace... kim (who is looking fer candles ( *more* candles dammit!!! )
to burn around my ig-cd alter ) praise be to e + a givers of music
and providers of infinate, like, postable stuff... *amen!!!*
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
"don't tell me i'm burning the candle
at both ends... tell me where to get
more wax!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
-------<justkim>rcn@prcn.org----------
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>

> >rice cakes are bread (communion wafer), & herb tea is the wine.
>
> instead of herb tea, shouldn't that be throat coat?

ah, but is throat coat not a type of herb tea too?.  this must be the
stage where we diverge into different sects according to interpretation
of the holy writ.  throatcoatarians, chamomilites, morning thunderites
(the holy rollers of this new religion)....  and then of course there
will be different sects based on varying interpretations of ig lyrics.
but since i'm supposed to be working i'll leave that to the rest of
y'all.

kathy

well, if we are starting our own religion... can i make some nominations?
(this is a democratic religion, okay.) i think susan marine would make a
wonderful altar girl, and well maybe me too considering this is my email.
okay, listees=altar people! yay!

corinne
--just happy the finals are over for me.
good luck to everyone else taking finals

so what i want to know is, where can i get a glow-in-the-dark plastic amy
and emily for the dash board of my car? (surprisingly enough, i already
have beads hanging from my rear view mirrow that were thrown into the
audience at jcs during the temple scene!!!!)

betsy (who would join the convent of this church in a second and change my
name to sister amy-emily ;)

-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-
..you see turning off the light switch is their only power
      when we stand like spotlights in a mighty tower
                       all for one and one for all
                    then we sing the common call.....
                                                             e. saliers
_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_

hey you all,

here is a little something to get you thinking...

"holy water leaks through ceilings built for days like these"

hey peace to you all!
scott (in alaska)

>okay, so say that being an ig fan is the religion, and amy and emily are
>the high priestesses. that would make atlanta kind of like mecca and
>concerts are the worship gatherings....can anyone else contribute an
>analogy to this silliness?
>
if being an ig fan became a religion and in order to be a part of this
religion, then amy and emily will "live in my soul and drinks of my
wine...(herb tea?)"

then we all have to stand without clothes, and dance in the sand...until we
are aching with freedom and kissing the damned...(now saved:)) !!!!!

then heaven really would be a place on earth...yeah, well, it just seemed to
fit=)!!!!

********************************
you have to laugh at yourself
because you'd cry your eyes out
if you didn't
---ig
*******************************

what would i get amy and emily for holidays??

hee....me

i know i'd love to get another one of me for christmas. who wouldn't want
one of me for christmas? hee hee, how i make myself laugh :)

peace, love, and hollyday parties,

sundara, who is giddy :)

"be on my side, i'll be on your side, there ain't no reason for us to hide,
it's so hard, to stand here all alone, you should be taking me for a
ride...she could drag me, over the rainbow, send me away..."
-amy impersonating bob dylan

so, a couple of us were emailing,  and talking about how great susan is.
so we've decided to start a "susan b. marine (aka power to the sisters)"
fan club.  anyway.  i decided that i'm gonna be president  (cause i'm a
power monger)  and jan and corinne are the other two founding members.
everyone can join.  all you have to do is email susan on a somewhat regular
basis and tell her you love her and how wonderful she is.  okay.  her email
is

oh.susanna@dartmouth.edu

so if you wanna join, write her.

hee hee hee!

peace, love, and hollyday parties,

sundara, who mixed up bob and neil, but has fixed her sig to give
credit to the proper person

>so we've decided to start a "susan b. marine (aka power to the sisters)"
>fan club. anyway.

hey, can we get obsessed fan shirts, and start the marine religion, and buy
her presents, and let her cut our hair, .......

i certainly hope so!!
hee hee!!!!

tucker(who is trying to get back to studying for her calc final that is
tomorrow...but this list is just so much fun...happy happy joy joy:))

********************************
you have to laugh at yourself
because you'd cry your eyes out
if you didn't
---ig
*******************************

on tue, 10 dec 1996, galileo wrote:

> >okay, so say that being an ig fan is the religion, and amy and emily are
> >the high priestesses. that would make atlanta kind of like mecca and
> >concerts are the worship gatherings....can anyone else contribute an
> >analogy to this silliness?
> >
> if being an ig fan became a religion and in order to be a part of this
> religion, then amy and emily will "live in my soul and drinks of my
> wine...(herb tea?)"
>
> then we all have to stand without clothes, and dance in the sand...until we
> are aching with freedom and kissing the damned...(now saved:)) !!!!!
>
> then heaven really would be a place on earth...yeah, well, it just seemed to
> fit=)!!!!

hey scott here,

        i am ready to be baptized!!!  hee hee,  i love that.. could you
imagine sitting in a candle lit room drinking tea, standing without
clothes, pondering on the meaning of life and the lyrics of amy and
emily?  i would love that because we all would share the same understanding.
i am there....
love ya all!
peace...scott (in alaska, where it is very dark, and the long winter
months are growing more and more depressing.  i sure could use some
sunshine ya all!)

oh, we would also have to have a bible school for the little ones. we
could teach them to sing "house at pooh corner" and "loquat tree".
ben

in a message dated 96-12-10 15:12:50 est, kathy wrote:

<< while plaid flannel *snip*
the garb of the high priestess(something like that) >>

i think that would be extra special trashy thrift store shirts.
all cotton, or cotton polyester mix..that i know not.

yes...much more appropriate

then audrey added :

<< how would you define russell, >>

well ..you know...every church needs its bureaucracy.

this is truly frightening.....

bink
can i be a pixie ?????

always hoped that i'd be an apostle...........

sorry for stealing material but i couldnt resist.

pj (hoping someone will still talk about me when i die.)

to my indigo friends,

        well the sun went down at 4 pm, and darkness is swallowing up my
day.  as i lite the candle's next to my computer, i think about words,
and how to express the deep thoughts that travel through my mind.  around
this time of the year in alaska, people begin to slip into some sort of
zombie state of mind.  lite deprevation is what they call it, and this
time of the year here brings depression as well as some happiness.
january is even darker, and february is it's coldest and darkest, and
this is the time of the year, is when i can write lyrics best and deep
thoughts begin to come out from their hibernation, and fill my mind up
with thought.
        like little creature strong and muscular, they dig and tear up my
past experiences and throw them in my face.  with there questions and
interigation of me. i am faced to ponder on what it is that i think about
what life gives me and us.  i love my world, and what it has to offer.
but what is it about darkness, what is it that makes our minds slip into
a zombie like frame of mind?  why does everthing become deep?  maybe this
is a time for our minds to reflect on our surroundings, a survival mode
if you will.  then when the summer sun comes, we are free and reborn, to
take in our new experiences, to then ponder once again in the fallowing
winter months.  i love the lyric's that amy and emily i am not sure who
wrote it, but the say   " summer is beginning to give up her fight"  that
would be death, and then "old man winter looses his fight" and re birth
happens.

i am just blabber key's and reflecting, and not sure if any of
you can relate to what i am saying if so... i would love to hear your
point of view.

bye for now,
scott (in alaska)

hi everyone,

well i guess sleep is overated when your the mommy of a very lively kitten.
thank you everyone for all of you responses these are the choices you all
gave me.

jonas, ezekial (zeke), iggy, ray, ghost, danny(after e's boyfriend in the
6th grade), chickenman, chickencat, sejarez, galileo, spirit (last words
uttered by jesus in jcs), decatur, amily, emmy, russell, daemon (greek
mythology - guardian spirit according to websters),rasputin, shalot.

i am torn right now between daemon and tucker.  i know tucker is not ig
related but i really like that name and tucker the human gave me permission
to use it.  i sometimes have been calling him kittenman (understand?).  then
for his benefit i sing to him and ask him to hold my hand.  he proceeds to
gnaw on my finger.

i am sure i will know in a couple of days if he is daemon or tucker. so
enough of taking list space. thanks again everyone.

peace and carrots
pj

hey you all,

so here it is a name for our dwelling. what do you think? =)
this is a place that we can come if they are chasing us with cameras or
guns, i am not sure which but we won't have to run. it will be here that we
can go to the end of the world, we can find out that a curse and a
blessing are one in the same.

one question, where should we set this up? what state or bliss?

bye for now,
scott (in alaska)
this is fun...

well folks

i'm disappearing over christmas so i will have to unsub for a while

sherlyn i will send you the tapes eventually

sarah have you still got my tapes?

have a cool yule everybody and cya next year

sue

>
> i am going out on a limb here, while we're talking about the "nature's
> dichotomy" thing...
> is there anyone else out there that just hates that line? i mean, don't

just quick i'd like to say that i saw it as a reference to being a
lesbian, nature's dichotomy being male/female, and female is the stronger
half...
i'm taking hold....
hee

=)
marianne
**********
"unknowing captor, you'll never know how much you
pierced my spirit, but i can't touch you..."
--yep, it's an *emily ballad* from *rop*
tee hee
**********

i just sent this to scott, but i thought that maybe there are others out
there who can relate to this. i just love to write, and whenever i get a
thought or feeling in my mind i have to just let things flow. so here is
something i just cooked up...

thoughts of indigo:

>their words spread through me
>as if i was an eagle
>spreading my wings
>through the morning sun
>
>watching the earth and its people
>passing by without a thought
>to the threatening evaluation of love
>and the uncomplicated resolution of freedom
>
>the mind soars with visions of flowing
>through life as if it meant
>living in peace and happiness
>surrounded by indigo.
>
>bringing out a change in me
>one that was always there
>wrestling with thoughts of escape
>only in the world of closed doors
>
>to open them with the words
>creating a time bomb in the heart
>knocked down, but taller still
>as my soul is tossed around.
>
>feelings written down and given to all
>who choose to listen to the story
>of survival and courage
>that is uttered with a common call.
>tucker branham--12-10-96
>

********************************
you have to laugh at yourself
because you'd cry your eyes out
if you didn't
---ig
*******************************

at 03:06 pm 12/10/96 -0700, corinne wrote:
>well, if we are starting our own religion... can i make some nominations?
>(this is a democratic religion, okay.) i think susan marine would make a
>wonderful altar girl, and well maybe me too considering this is my email.
>okay, listees=altar people! yay!

no, susan's too busy being "joan of arc" on the dar list....

>--just happy the finals are over for me.

so happy i never have to take a final again...you too will be able to say
this someday....this and "so happy i finished my thesis!" whoo hoo!
joni :o)

hey listees, just thought some of you would want to write in:
more info at : www.menominee.com/a-one/mccombs/home.htm
(public hearing dec12 7pm town of nashville , wi) thanks ya'll
------------------------------------------------------------------------
sample letter to nashville town board (wisconsin)
date:

to nashville town board:

richard pitts
ed bula
walter marquardt

c/o carol marquardt, town clerk
town of nashville
1462 lily lake la.
n. pickerel, wi 54465
ph: 715-478-2624 or 715-478-3687
fax: 715-478-2527

i am writing to ask you, the members of the nashville town board, not to
pass the proposed local agreement with the crandon mining company
because i believe this agreement is bad for our lands, drinking water,
wildlife, economy and quality of life. : the local agreement attempts to
exempt the mining company from "all town zoning ordinances, regulations
and laws" through wording like, " the agreement shall constitute
compliance with all procedural requirements of nashville ordinances and
those procedural requirements shall not otherwise be applicable." i
think crandon mining company should have to comply with all town zoning
ordinances, regulations and laws.

the local agreement does not guarantee jobs for any local residents,
only "preference" and "to the extent permitted by law" for applicants
who have been in the area for "one year". crandon mining company has
consistently promised the mine would provide 400 to 700 good-paying jobs
for our community. if the mine would ever be permitted, crandon mining
company should be obligated to hire a specific percent-- at least 50
percent -- of its employees from the townships and county where the mine
is located for the entire life of the mine.

the town is strictly limited in reopening the agreement. for example,
unless residents "suffer additional unmitigated negative impact" and the
operation is "substantially different from the mining plan". 5 the
mining company can also prevent the town from reopening agreement if
problem is "mitigated".

in section 6.j. of the agreement, the mining company attempts to limit
the powers of the local government and our courts by stating, "the court
may not directly or indirectly prohibit mining pursuant to the terms of
the mining permit." the town would be limited in it's legal remedies to,
"exclusive remedy shall be an order amending those terms of unmitigated
negative impact" to town residents, "but only to the extent necessary to
mitigate that impact."

the town will be obligated to certify, to the state, that the mining
company's operations conform with all applicable zoning ordinances. is
the local agreement enacting a requirement that citizens of the town of
nashville will potentially be legally required to lie to satisfy the
local agreement? no citizen of the town of nashville should be required
to lie if necessary to be able to certify that crandon mining company's
operations conform with all applicable zoning ordinances.

all roads, pipelines, transportation facilities and other mitigation
facilities are exempt from setback requirements in section 13 of the
agreement. no mining company should be exempt from the same setback
requirements that other businesses and citizens must comply with.

the agreement gives final local approval for the disposal of all wastes
associated with the mining project to the mining company.

if a resident claims damage to their drinking water, the mining company
will only provide alternative water to well owners who participated in
cmc's private water well survey and not to any new residents or older
residents that didn't participate with the company. this stipulation
would discourage all new purchases of property which would destroy the
recreational property business. if cmc contaminated the town's water
supply including private wells, any town residents who did not
participate in cmc's study would have to pay to have water brought in.

if wdnr determines that the mine was not the cause of damage, the town
residents and/or the property owner, must pay the bill with 10% interest
due to the mining company. after following the actions of a dnr which
has become totally politicized and according to "a question of bias,"
has repeatedly demonstrated its bias toward mining, i simply do not
believe i can trust the dnr to make any ruling that is not in favor of
the mining company.

in section 19. "contingency planning" which deals with catastrophic
chemical accidents spills and other disasters, the company offers this:
they have a plan and they will maintain some equipment and personnel
that occur on site. would this contingeny plan be like the exxon's
response to legislation regarding oil tanker hulls or its abysmal
response to the exxon valdez disaster? i do not believe the citizens of
the town of nashville should be required to live under the threat of a
disaster like the exxon valdez, the burlington northern spill in duluth
or the weyauwega propane spill for years or have to trust that crandon
mining company will maintain adequate emergency response teams for a
hazardous waste disaster.

environmental sampling can only be done at the expense of taxpayers, and
at locations, laboratory and times pre-appoved by the company, and only
once in three months. if the mine were to be permitted, any citizen of
the impacted communities, including nashville should be able to do
environmental sampling at any time, using the laboratories they
choose--especially if it is going to be paid for by those taxpayers.

section 8, master hearing, would in effect gag the local citizens and
the town board from opposing or revoking the local agreement once it was
passed. i believe this could be a violation of u.s. citizens right to
free speech and due process. the tentative local agreement, as presented
in the november 13 edition of the forest republican provides very little
in the way of benefits for the citizens of the town of nashville while
making them assume the majority of the risks for the mining project.

please protect our town's economy and environment for us and for our
children.
please do not pass the cmc/nashville local agreement!

thank you

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address
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i love susan b marine!

i know...wasting bandwidth...bla bla bla

jan

--- corinne wrote:
i think susan marine would make a
wonderful altar girl, and well maybe me too considering this is my email.
--- end of quoted material ---
you wouldn't think that if you knew i had nothing on under my robe

tee hee hee hee hee

i'm a nasty girl

susan

"he says, 'turn the channel, i've got my own problems, i'm so sick of hearing
about drugs and aids and people without homes'
and i say i'd really like to sympathize with that, but if you can't understand,
how can you act?"

-ms. ani, poet laureate of the

badass battalion

just another bit of wasted bandwidth for our heroine
love ya susan!!!
anjeanette
--
email: boilrmkr@bu.edu

for echo is the soul of the voice exciting itself in hollow places.
-the english patient

i just want to state for the record that i have not been paying corinne,
sundara or anyone else to say how great i am on a daily basis to y'all. but
i'll take all the love i can get, since its been a pretty sparse 1996!!!

here's to 1997 and ample lovin' for all of us, including amy and emily!

susan :)

shy, but dealing, in the midst of all this

i know this is a very old thread, but, last night whilst shopping with my gf
for yucky work clothes we were both drawn to a shirt. and inside there was a
big label that called the shirt "indigo". so now we have a new indigo shirt.

jeni

"for every amy, there is an equal and opposite emily."

can anyone tell i have a comprehensive physics exam tomorrow? :)

anna

"how is it that music can, without words, evoke our
laughter, our tears, our highest aspiration?" -jane swan

hey here's another "mister limes" i thought of the other day.

for the longest time i thought the opening line from h&an was:

"clearing webs from the hubble!"

and i was wondering how they do that while it's in orbit and all...

:) abigail

seems to me our sacred animal should clearly be a chicken, and we, the
devoted fans have are bound to be the early missionaries if indigism or
whatever we're followers of :)

:) abigail

okay, we'd be celebrating amymas and emilymas--but can we handle _two_ of
these holidays each year?

in our little nativity scenes we would have to put "dogs in a manger."
     ---if amy or emily happened to have a child they would definitely
         have to be immaculate conceptions  (pretending artificial
         insemination hasn't been invented yet).

instead of xmas cookies we would be giving grapenuts to our friends that
we visit.

and, oh my gosh....some people might even interpret heterosexuality to be
a sin in this religion!

wait, i have one more... instead of the "may crowning" we just change the
letters around and have "amy crowning."

hi everyone. if any of you are on the melissa etheridge list you'll be
reading this twice, so i apoligize.

i was wandering around on netscape before and i found a page for this company
kts (kissing the stone interactive catalogue, http://www.kts.it/index.html).
they have a melissa cd and an ig cd that i'm tempted to order but i don't
want to do anything without knowing anything about the company.  has anyone
ever ordered anything from them?  are they legit?  anything good/bad to say
about them?  thanks, if you have any input.  :)

donna
rutgers university
new brunswick, nj

>and of course, let's not forget the infamous...
>--"feeding the cancer of my intellect, the blood of love soon neglected lay
>dying in the strength of its impurity"
>
>

reading that quote makes me have second thoughts about the meaning behind
it. listening to love's recovery, i'd always assumed that "cancer of my
intelect..." referred to cancer, as in the disease, but maybe it's a
reference and analogy to cancer, emily's zodiac sign. ("i was born under the
sign of cancer, like brushing cloth...") hmmmm...

:) abigail

hey-

i have two things (approx) to share with the world! (aren't you excited?  i
am! =) )  first off, the question.  i'm sort of tired, so maybe i'm over
looking the obvious, but are there any songs with just emily on vocals (on
the album release)?  'cause -- with the exception of the girl with the weight
of the world in her hands -- i can't think of any.  it seems, though, that
amy has at least one solo moment in the sun on all the albums.

second, if i were locked in a room with all those amazing artists (can't
remember all of them now) i would want to discuss politics, sex, religion,
books, poetry, drinking, drugs . . . anything but music.  then, when they've
all gone home and it's only me and a&e . . . then we'd talk about music.
we'd all take out our guitars and jam, and then we'd all get into a
conversation about life in general . . . and emily and i, we'd really hit it
off and become great friends and keep in touch for the rest of our lives.
(listening to her music, i often get the feeling that if i knew her she
would be the kind of person you'd meet with over coffee, occasionally, to
discuss your troubles, and she'd listen and contemplate and then offer the
best advice . . . tangent . . . )  amy and i would end up in an argument over
something, and since while everyone else was there we'd all have been playing
one of those ig party games, we'd both be totally sloshed and it wouldn't be
pretty . . .  i don't know why, but that would be it.  amy and i would meet
up a few years later and be friends again then, though.

all right, i lied!  three things.  on the ig religion thread (ooo, so
interesting!) . . . i want to say something constructive about it, but i'm
having trouble 'cause i need more caffine . . . until i think of something to
contribute, though . . . ahha!  okay, thought of something!  +)  that
lifeblood web sight, that would be like the old testimate, because it's the
story of "the beginning" and contains a history.  then, the faq and the song
books would make up the new testimate (am i spelling that wrong?) part.  what
would be the apochraful (sp?) text?  i like this whole thing 'cause amy's a
sexier mesiah than jesus . . . not to offend anyone, of course . . .

all right, off to english homework, and then bed!

-elizabeth

****************************
"i'm so tired and i don't know what to do. i'm sooooo tired . . . my mind is
set on you. i think i should call you but i [don't] know what you'd do . . .
"

so is this list our "prayer circle?" (how many of y'all were raised "good
southern baptists?" don't excommunicate me from igology for that.....)

-rich benson
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
cobweb@grove.ufl.edu
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
i'm harboring a fugitive
a defector of a kind
she lives in my soul
drinks of my wine
and i'd give my last breath
to keep us alive
-amy ray
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

does anyone else get that warm fuzzy feeling from the stories in chicken
soup for the soul?

just a quick little story for you all:
when i was home, i went to visit my grandmother everyday in the hospital.
she has parkinsons disease, and had fallen and broken her hip.  anyway, i
read her some of the stories, and she loved them.  she doesn't remember much
now, but she loves to hear the stories over and over.  when i had to leave
after thanksgiving, i told her that i would see her on the 19th.  she got
tears in her eyes, and looked at me saying, "do you know i love you?"  i
said that i did, then she said that when i came back could i bring back
chicken soup for the soul and read for her again!!!!

needless to say that i was crying by the time i left...

ok, i am leaving for the night!

peace and love to everyone young and old...there is only one thing that i
ask of all of you. when talking to people young or old remember that
everyone is a person and can feel and love just the same!!

take care all:
tucker

********************************
you have to laugh at yourself
because you'd cry your eyes out
if you didn't
---ig
*******************************

i know that we've been thru the "you know you're an obsessed fan when...",
but has ig ever popped into you head at an inconvenient time?  or
inappropriate time?  or a weird time?  i needed to hand my christmas wreath
on our apartment door and needed a hammer and nail.  well guess what song
came bouncing into my head?  actually, i guess this could be an improvement
since i always use to hum "if i had a hammer" by peter, paul & mary.

but maybe during a meeting?  or during casual conversation?  did you start
singing out loud - as a joke but it ended up not being one?  or how 'bout
discussing ig with a non-ig fan?  i use to post quotes as screen savers at
work and people use to look at me weird and say "what would you give for
your kid fears??  what the hell does that mean?"  and you know...i could
never explain it to my satisfaction.  they'd just always walk away shaking
their head thinking "jen's off in indigo land again".

hey, if i'm the only one...cool. then i'm unique. but somehow i don't
think i am.

share ya'll...share...
- jen hall

sorry to waste bandwidth...i was inspired by the idea that someone else
thinks like me!

hey kim,

i just read your post about anne and diana (i'm *very* behind) and i totally
agree! whenever i have tried to point this out to anyone else they tell me
"you just see dykes everywhere" (which is true ) *grin* but that's just the way
i see things....but this anne thing....i totally thought it was real. she reminds
me a lot of me....

glad you posted that,

larissa

--
"i'd rather have a bigot think i'm a lesbian than a lesbian think i'm a bigot"
-a button spotted on a pflag mom in san jose

i saw this great gift idea on tv
it's a children's story book..
illustrated beautifully and all
the story of the life of galileo..
it's called _starry night_
and it looked so beautiful
give me nice books for the holidays boys and grrrls
that's all i ever want...
well and some grape nuts of course
vole, anjeanette
--
email: boilrmkr@bu.edu

for echo is the soul of the voice exciting itself in hollow places.
-the english patient

hi indigo folks, does anybody uses word 7.0 on win95? i read in an
instruction book that after typing up your article if you click on
a certain item (which one i forgot; i'm using the chinese version) under
"tool", the computer would analyse your article and tell you the level of
its readability. for example, how many passive tenses you're using, how
many difficult words you're using,
and most interesting of all, the level of its difficulty, eg.: 8th grade
level, 12th grade level...etc.

now i don't remember exactly remember which function performs this task
nor do i have the time to type up each and every ig songs to find out how
old you'd be able to understand ig:) but i thought it'd be fun if those
of you who use word 7.0 could type up the lyrics and see what the
computer says.

nigc follows:

i went to alanis morissette's concert in taipei two weeks ago. i was at
the fourth row and could see her very clearly. throughout her concert a
man (i assume he's the manager) would go out on stage and hand her a
guitar so she could play. however although her fingers were moving up and
down the bars strumming the strings, it just seemed to me the sound
didn't really match the timing of her fingers. but since i am not a
guitar expert i can't be sure. however my boyfriend daniel plays bass in a
band (heard of ponyboy curtis from germany?) and he later told me that he
enjoyed the concert (he'd never heard of alanis before) but didn't like
it when alanis pretended to play the guitar. he said her fingers were
wrong, and that the guitar wasn't connect to the amplifier.

so does she play the guitar or not?? if she doesn't i'd be pretty
disappointed; cause that's not the alanis i thought i knew.

since this is unrelated to ig those of you insightful listers might
wanna reply to me private me so not to upset the list.

stay kewl,
han

on wed, 11 dec 1996, elizabeth m. bolles wrote:

but are there any songs with just emily on vocals (on
> the album release)? 'cause -- with the exception of the girl with the weight
> of the world in her hands -- i can't think of any. it seems, though, that
> amy has at least one solo moment in the sun on all the albums.

how 'bout fare thee well? and i could be wrong because i am delerious,
but isn't history of us a solo?

whoever wanted to know how to play power of two, e-mail me privately if you
haven't received a response already...my delete-happy finger deleted your
address by mistake.

nigc ---> do you think thanksgiving leftovers are still good? my not so
domesticated friends are telling me "if it smells ok, it's good"...but something
inside of me says no.

thanks,
martha

on tue, 10 dec 1996, kim: goddess in her own reality wrote:

> praise be to e + a givers of music
> and providers of infinate, like, postable stuff... *amen!!!*

please say two hail emily's for that profane reversal of initials :)

thanks,
erica

i just wanted to let any other college students out there to "hang in
there" if you're going through hell as i am...it's supposed to build
character or something (isn't that what calvin's dad used to say to him
about bad experiences? calvin from the comic strip...) i was actually
praying that i would get into an awful accident today just because i don't
know how i am ever going to finish...

love and hugs...aim

###############################################################################

"is this still life all i'm good for too?
there by the window quietly killed for you
and they drive by like insects do
they think they don't know me
they hired a car for you..."
-brett anderson of the london suede-"still life"

"jesus, amy, don't you ever learn?"
-my infinitely-wise 19-year-old brother, nick

##############################################################################

has anyone else heard on the bumbershoot '96 boot right after amy sings
"hey kind friend (a very heart-wrenching song, don'tcha think?):"

emily: thanks for listening...loud!
amy: "thanks a lot."

i thought that was funny hee, hee. back to studying...

later,
margot

*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
*  "great spirits have always encountered violent opposition  *
*                    from mediocre minds."                    *
*                                                             *
*                     ~albert einstein                        *
*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*

and in this wunnerful newfound religion the edge of death would
disappear and leave us nothing left to taint
we do not belief in death rather that we will continue on as nomads indians or saints
free to roam the earth
with walking shoes feathered arms and keys to heaven's gate
spreading the words of indigism everywhere

peace and love

kim (who wants to be a nomad)

at 12:20 am 12/11/96 -0500, melissa wrote:

>and, oh my gosh....some people might even interpret heterosexuality to
be

>a sin in this religion!

<fontfamily><param>courier new</param><smaller>oh come come now .. the
whole point to the "gospel" is open-mindedness, acceptance, and love and
charity for fellow man/womankind on this earth.. heterosexuality or
homosexuality is not the point, it's accepting and loving people for the
goodness and essence that makes them who they are.

*smile*

joyous holidays to all,

<color><param>0000,8080,8080</param>raine</color></smaller></fontfamily>

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peace and carrots

amy c. sanders work: http://www.homecom.com

amys@homecom.com homepage: http://faust.homecom.com/~raine

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

hello fellow-listees

to all list members out there who've mailed me re. the 'on the road to
austin' video. apologies for the delay in getting things rolling...
today i've sent off the tape for conversion to pal, so i expect it back
within a week or two. so, i hope to start sending you out copies by the
end of this month. what i am saying is, if you want to send me your blank
tapes, please do so now! i need a 2 hour tape, quality is mixed (no
reflection on sunny) and content is a mixture of tv stuff and live
'audience' material.

i'm glad to be able to share this stuff with you, and i think we should
all give a huge vote of thanks to sunny for her kindness in making this
offer possible!!

andrew

hey y'all...
see... it's like this... my little itty bitty isolated-type town just got a
(woo--hooooo <not>) macdonalds a few months back. okay, so, along with this
wondrous event came our very first highway-side billboard; a huge + tres
tacky yellow + red sign that says *welcome* with a macdonald's kinda "m" in
it... now every time i drive into town past that sign, i get the song
"welcome me" stuck in my head + start singing it. this of course prompts my
wise-acre son to reach over + turn on the tape deck. sooo.... i made a tape
completely of "welcome me" and stuck it in the player, just waiting + ready
fer his quick reflex action.... you shoulda seen his face yesterday:-)
lol!!! ah yes, it was a sweet joke:-)
peace all... kim, who has decided that if my son *has* to listen to weird al
all the time, he's getting head phones... :-) ( ah... it could be worse...
could be some shock schlock ) :-)
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
"don't tell me i'm burning the candle
at both ends... tell me where to get
more wax!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
-------<justkim>rcn@prcn.org----------
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>

how about a before e except after c?....
hmmm... nope... guess that won't work... the english language is enough of a
mess as it is:-)
peace all... kim...
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
"don't tell me i'm burning the candle
at both ends... tell me where to get
more wax!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
-------<justkim>rcn@prcn.org----------
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>

just a quick correction. the address for the june people of the tape tree
is:

bluemoon@titan.iwu.edu

i typed it wrong in my other post to the list.

sorry,
lisa

lisa nordeen
head women's basketball coach
university of minnesota, morris
(320) 589-6429 (o) (320) 589-4782 (h)
nordeelm@caa.mrs.umn.edu

"there's only one way, i'll surprise you, that's by showing up at
your front door. saying let's not ask what next, or how or why,
i'm leaving in the morning so let's not be shy."
-ani difranco

on tue, 10 dec 1996, pj harris wrote:

> always hoped that i'd be an apostle...........
>
> sorry for stealing material but i couldnt resist.
>
>
> pj (hoping someone will still talk about me when i die.)

of ocurse, you might betray them with language or a kiss...

peter a. barta
bartap@bulldog.georgetown.edu

melissa wrote:
>
> on wed, 11 dec 1996, elizabeth m. bolles wrote:
>
>  but are there any songs with just emily on vocals (on
> > the album release)?  'cause -- with the exception of the girl with the weight
> > of the world in her hands -- i can't think of any.  it seems, though, that
> > amy has at least one solo moment in the sun on all the albums.
>
> how 'bout fare thee well?  and i could be wrong because i am delerious,
> but isn't history of us a solo?
>

...and what about hey jesus?...

hi y'all...

i have a great trivia question for y'all...answer me via private email and
i'll post the results and correct answer in a day or so...

it's kind of multi-leveled and partial credit will be given <g>!!

which girl was writing and performing something other than music in
elementary school, and what was she writing?

and what was the title and genre of her first work?

good luck and i'm waiting for the answers...

jen

------- forwarded message follows -------
date:          wed, 11 dec 1996 11:33:21 -0800
reply-to:      "amy e. hannon" <litlbits@ix.netcom.com>
from:          "amy e. hannon" <litlbits@ix.netcom.com>
subject:       re: dos cosas
to:            multiple recipients of list indigo-girls <indigo-girls@netspace.org>

melissa wrote:
>
> on wed, 11 dec 1996, elizabeth m. bolles wrote:
>
>  but are there any songs with just emily on vocals (on
> > the album release)?  'cause -- with the exception of the girl with
> > the weight of the world in her hands -- i can't think of any.  it
> > seems, though, that amy has at least one solo moment in the sun on
> > all the albums.
>
> how 'bout fare thee well?  and i could be wrong because i am
> delerious, but isn't history of us a solo?
>

...and what about hey jesus?...

i thought hey jesus was an amy song

kim(who loves emily's solos but really loves amy's solos!)
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you know we need to create a archive to keep files that we have of the
girls one that would keep say converstains that were cool and that any
listteee could retrive them if they wanted im on another mailing list and
we do this and its cool like right now i have a list of lyrics of just
about ever ig song ever sung and i think that would be great to put in the
archives

at 12:01 pm 12/11/96 -0500, kim rhoades wrote:
>melissa wrote:
>> on wed, 11 dec 1996, elizabeth m. bolles wrote:
>>
>>  but are there any songs with just emily on vocals (on
>> > the album release)?  'cause -- with the exception of the girl with
>> > the weight of the world in her hands -- i can't think of any.  it
>> > seems, though, that amy has at least one solo moment in the sun on
>> > all the albums.
>>
>> how 'bout fare thee well?  and i could be wrong because i am
>> delerious, but isn't history of us a solo?
>>
>
>
>...and what about hey jesus?...
>
>i thought hey jesus was an amy song

didn't amy write it for emily? emily is the only vocalist on it anyway.

raine

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
peace and carrots

amy c. sanders          work: http://www.homecom.com
amys@homecom.com          homepage: http://faust.homecom.com/~raine
                -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

hey fellow amy and emilyites...

i was watching mtv late last night, as i am apt to do, and a video cam on
for the group republica.  it was for their song "drop dead gorgeous" taken
from the soundtrack of the new movie "scream."  anyway they showed clips
from the movie, and in one of the clips, they were in a girl's bedroom and
she had an indigo girls poster on her wall...  it went by too fast so i
couldn't see what it was, i just saw it said indigo girls at the top, and
it looked swamp ophelia-ish.  so if anyone sees "scream"  check for igc in
the movie, and give us the full report.

love
sister corinne
saying her hail emilys for penance today... ;)

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don't know if this has been re-posted, but i got a really good laugh when
i first saw it a couple of years ago, thought i'd share it with some of
the newer subscribers.

subject: the one gift which i'd adore

need some last-minute gift ideas?  having trouble shopping
for that special indigo girls fan on your list?  well, fret
no more, because for a very limited time you can order any
of the following delightful items, each designed with the
insatiable ig fan in mind.  please read on for descriptions:

for the child in everyone, we offer adorable amy and emily
action figures!  amy is ready to jam in her ripped jeans
with embroidered jacket (jangling beads and silver ring
sold separately), while emily sports her trademark overalls
and a white t-shirt.  each comes with six guitars tuned in
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(sorry, sara lee not available.)

hate getting up in the morning?  well you'll rise and shine
cheerfully with our new "first to praise the sun" _talking_
alarm clock!  forget those shrill buzzing alarms.  let amy
wake you up *gently* with her calm assertion:  "um, you're
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comfortable with."

surprise your friends with a package of our homemade fat-free
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date will be the wiser.  you really can have "that hair"!
in medium brown.  unisex.

been too happy lately?  need a good cry?  well, now there's
"the very essence of pain", a new compilation of the igs'
most depressing songs.  let amy and emily get you down with
old heartbreakers like "hey jesus" and "blood and fire", as
well as newer ones like "fare thee well" and "ghost".  best
of all, the songs are carefully sequenced to *maximize* your
feelings of emptiness and despair.  you won't find a glimmer
of hope here--no "watershed" or "galileo" to diffuse your
pain--just your favorite downers, back to back.  order several
copies,  and share the agony with your friends!  coffee and
cigarettes not included.

well, those are the goods. unfortunately, however, the time
during which they were available for purchase was so very limited
that it actually expired just now. we regret the inconvenience.

i-girl, who brings you glad tidings of great joy....because
"great tidings of glad joy" just didn't make any sense..

i love jan
i don't know susan all that well but if i did i'd love her too!
here's to random meaningless posts.
ben

is there a news-only version of this list? i'm very interested in
learning any new indigo girls stuff (including about boots and such), but
the high traffic on this list is killing my mailbox. although i
appreciate the closeness that listers feel to one another, it's a bit much
reading message after message about ellen, or the susan fan club, or ig
religion . . .

and if there's not a news-only version, what are the chances of setting
one up?

thanks. :)

tera.

> >
> >...and what about hey jesus?...
> >
> >i thought hey jesus was an amy song
>
> didn't amy write it for emily? emily is the only vocalist on it anyway.
>
> raine
>

nope, hey jesus is definately an emily song. the sf cd jacket says she
wrote the words & music...

amy

sorry to post this to everyone, but could chickensoprano (anna) get in
touch with me asap please?

mat

i know i suck, but i need to disconnect from the list for finals and i
can't get off and i lost my instructions...help me please.

happy day,
jennie

sorry! i did not know that they were illegal!

it won't happen again! forgive me!

joe

heeeee...very funny thread. so...would we have services, meetings, whatever
(on tuesdays, we'd be tuesday's children :), at which we would sing hymns (of
course) and ooh, amy's socs would be mystical things, you know, meaningful
religious experiences :) they are for me anyway. :) this sounds like the
only religion i could actually join!
love, peace, igism, tortillas, tortellini, &c...
katy
ps - christy, if you still exist in this universe, please get in touch with
me thru some medium!

on wed, 11 dec 1996, kim rhoades wrote:
> kim (who wants to be a nomad)
>

hey there kim =)
i have always wanted to be a nomad. that sounds so great!
bye hugs
scott (in alaska)

ladies and gentlemen
sorry to waste bw but i got this from a friend
and well.. i think it's a good idea..
one can rarely give up the chance to
performa a random act of kindness.. so here you go!
anjeanette (my nickname was marvin)
>
> hey marvin,
>
> i just got this in the mail and was wondering if you could help
> distribute it. it comes from the a national volunteer agency (cool-
> campus outreach opportunity league) that i work with here at pcc. you
> have greater email list serve than i do, and might be able to reach
> more people than i .
>
> carrie
> >
> >received this this date:
> >surely we all have 2 minutes to spare!
> >
> >>date: tue, 10 dec 1996 14:28:00 -0800
> >>
> >>books for sick kids
> >>
> >>>houghton mifflin publishing corporation will donate one book to a
> >>>children's hospital for every 25 e-mails they receive.  please e-mail them
> >>>at - -
> >>>
> >>>          share@hmco.com.
> >>>
> >>>i hope you can spare the seconds, and let your friends know.  so
> >>>far they have only received 3, 400 messages.  last year they reached
> >>>23,000.

someone posted asking if there was a ig newsgroup.  i'm sorry i don't
have the message to repost or even the posters name...(i don't have a
problem thinking before i speak, but i do have a problem thinking before
i delete!) ;)  anyway, this post is for that person and anyone else who
might be new to the list.  the person who posted looking for a newsgroup
seemed to have decided this list wasn't for them because of stuff like
the "ig as a religion" thread and the "susan fan club", etc...well let
me just say that i only joined the list a couple of months ago, and i,
too, was unsure about staying subscribed at first.  at the time, there
was a thread about whether amy and emily looked better with short hair,
long hair, or whatever, and people were voting and stuff.  i'll admit
that i thought it was a little silly, and i questioned whether or not
this list was the place for me.  also, there was a thread going titled
"you know you're an obsessed ig fan when...", and i was even a little
worried about that one at first.  plus, there seemed to be a lot of
inside jokes going on, and i didn't know if i'd ever get into the swing
of things.  now i can see how someone joining the list just recently
might be a little put off by the religion thread - even though it was
clearly stated that it was meant to be a joke, and if you are a new list
member who finds yourself in the position i was in when i joined, my
advice is...stick around - give yourself at least a few weeks to get a
feel for the list.  i have found the people on the list to be exremely
kind, generous, and more than willing to help out the newbies.  if some
of the threads seem a little weird, try to remember that these are
well-meaning, respectful fans just having a little fun.  give it a
little time, and you might find yourself joining in (i did).  i think
you will find plenty of useful information and "serious" discussion here
along with the trivia questions and humor.  long live the list!
(no, really, i'm usually quite shy) ;)
just a couple of pennies
carrie

not that i'm complaining, really. i mean, sometimes, i have over 100
messages in my mailbox. but i haven't gotten any mail from my friends on
the ig list in over 2 hours.

is everybody still here? are we all waiting for everyone else to say
something? well, i'm saying something.

how's the recruitment going for susan marine's new religious cult? just
wondering....

now i'm hitting "send" to see who's out there...
joni :o)

no !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

grapenuts !!!!!!!!!!!!

it is the food of the devil.

now stop bothering me, i have to study.

binkie the pixie

hellllllllloooooooooo!!!!

hey i am way up here....looook! loooooookkkk up here in alaska!!!! can
you see me???? i am here (smile) (waving arms in the air, jumping up
and down)

smile to you all,
scott \,,/, in alaska!

okay !

so we(me n' the 'gals') would talk about auto insurance and how
friggin expensive it is, especially if you have one teensy (okay..two)
little accidents.

then we'd eat some noodles and cut each others hair

now you all really need to leave me alone so i can study.

love, binky, pixie 1st. class

>
> is there a news-only version of this list? i'm very interested in
> learning any new indigo girls stuff (including about boots and such), but
> the high traffic on this list is killing my mailbox. although i
> appreciate the closeness that listers feel to one another, it's a bit much
> reading message after message about ellen, or the susan fan club, or ig
> religion . . .
>
> and if there's not a news-only version, what are the chances of setting
> one up?

tera (and others interested),

  there is no news-only version of this list currently set-up.  its
been tried in the recent past, but it simply dies from lack of
traffic.  if things got reported on ig and not on ig-news, which is
what happened, what was the point in having the ig-news server?  so it
died.

  one interesting thing though, there may now exist an new indigo
broadcasting system where you can tune for offical news and
information (somehow i want to put an ear splitting beep right here,
but i digress).  if you look at the official ig www pages from sony
(http://www.music.sony.com/music/artistinfo/indigogirls.html) and
follow the links to "email signup" you have the opportnity to get on
the russell carter listserv.  i have no idea about how this is run,
who posts, how often news comes out, what news comes out, etc.  but it
does exist and it sounds like what you are looking for.

also there is a usenet group (alt.music.indigo-girls) and the web
site above you can monitor for the information you like. the signal
to noise on the usenet group can be high at times.

if you like the craziness of this list, but need to minimize the
impact on your mailbox, you might want to sign up for the digest
version. instructions on how to do that can be found in the faq.

good luck,

chris

http://www.mit.edu:8001/people/cmbecker/home.html [my homepage]
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hi y'all.  i hat to do this to ya, but i need some criticism.  i wrote a poem
a few years ago, and now somebody is telling me i should get it published.  i
don't know that i trust their opinion, so i'm asking you guys.  please,
please email me back and tell me what you think.  thanx!

dawn

so i make people laugh

why am i here?
do i have a purpose?
so i make people laugh.
big fuckin deal.
i don't live, i only exist.
my existence has no meaning.
why do i bother?
what's the point?
is there a point?
why do i even care?
why do i even try?
nobody understands me.
nobody understands my pain.
so i make people laugh.
they're all laughing at me.
they should be laughing with me.
but who cares anyway?
unfortunately, i do.
i care too much.
so i make people laugh.
i'm not laughing.
instead, i'm crying---
or am i dying?

well, i was reading joni's message and i thought hey, she is right, so i
thought that i might try and come up with a new thread...

personally i love disney movies!!!:) i don't know about yall,but i have a
decent collection of disney stuff....esp. lion king =)

anyway, a while ago we were discussing what musical amy and emily could
do...what about a disney film? i mean so much of disney is musical, as a
matter of fact they are starting to make the lion king a broadway
production:):):)

so....what disney movie would you like to see them do?

don't forget the oldies, they are some of the best!

hope that this is a decent thread, if i come up with something a little more
clever i will let all of you know.

tata for now--tucker

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you have to laugh at yourself
because you'd cry your eyes out
if you didn't
---ig
*******************************

since i am a "newbie," i figured i would throw my change in here as well.  i
think if anything all the inside jokes have only made me want to get to know
everyone more.  the way everyone teases susan and tried to get sundara a
computer... well, to me that sounds like a group i want to be a part of.  i
am not personally that entertained by the religious thread because i happen
to be a christian, but i still am open minded enough to see the humor in a
lot of it.
i guess i am basically saying that while some new listers are unsure, others
of us are finding the same things they consider annoying to be inviting...

always,
micki who has had her finals interrupted by bomb threats on campus!!!!

"and there's not enough room in this world for my pain. signals cross and
love gets lost and time past makes it plain."

on tue, 10 dec 1996, abigail wrote:

> seems to me our sacred animal should clearly be a chicken, and we, the
> devoted fans have are bound to be the early missionaries if indigism or
> whatever we're followers of :)

now, now. that's not fair to single out one specific creature.
we all know that a & e love all beasts. besides, we could just as easily
say our sacred animal should be a lone coyote or a family of prairie dogs
accompanied by a rabbit. ;)

tuesday's child

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>
> so....what disney movie would you like to see them do?
>
> don't forget the oldies, they are some of the best!
>
... i'm sure i'll change my mind
before tomorrow comes..
but how about "mary poppins"
altho i would never decide on who
should be mary and who should be the chimney sweep
emily = chimney sweep
amy = mary (both are negotiable)
the children (sorry it's been a long time i dont memmer their names
sara lee and michael stipe (again negotiable.. except for sara)
ok.. i obviously shouldnt post this.. i'm too tired
but go and hack away at it..
anjeanette (who thinks finding books can sometimes be a hard job)

--
email: boilrmkr@bu.edu

for echo is the soul of the voice exciting itself in hollow places.
-the english patient

lost yer e-mail address..
got the boots. great!!!!!!!!!
sorry to waste the rest of y'alls' bandwith

alright now... time for us newbies to come out of our lurking-places and
prove that we really do exist out here.

here's one newbie to the list who felt included immediately... right
away... from the start... right after signing up... as the first message
hit the mail server :~)

considering the comments i've heard from a+e (ok ok i read it in the faq
:~) which i really did read, believe it or not) some of the threads strike
me as being none of our business (cough cough underwear cough), but most
of em are lotsa fun... and the people on this list are just great

back to lurking

(ar|

hey, for all of you who have been writing me and asking how to joing the
fan club, to get the newsletter, i think that this is how i did it. but i
can't really remember, so i'm not sure.

>but i digress).  if you look at the official ig www pages from sony
>(http://www.music.sony.com/music/artistinfo/indigogirls.html) and
>follow the links to "email signup" you have the opportnity to get on
>the russell carter listserv.  i have no idea about how this is run,
>who posts, how often news comes out, what news comes out, etc.  but it
>does exist and it sounds like what you are looking for.

peace, love, and hollyday parties,

sundara, president, susan b. marine fan club

"oh, you set up your place in my thoughts, moved in and made my thinking
crowded..."
emily

oh, you are by far not the only one for whom the indigo girls appear at
inopportune times. the weatherman here earlier in the semester said
something about summer finally ending, and, of course, in popped
*summer's beginning to give up her fight*. we told ghost stories on
halloween, and i don't think i even have to explain that to you.

finally, and the worst of all, i live (well, while i'm at school, anyway)
in pittsburgh (all hail the stillers...yeah, right.) anyway, it's also
known as *the city of three rivers*. our stadium (baseball) is three
river's stadium. i went to a game there and tried to concentrate, and all
i could think of was *i wish i had a river i could skate away on*.
thouroughly distracted me from the game, i might add.

random ig appearances...i was in the 7-11 last night, buying mountain dew,
when all of a sudden i heard *closer to fine* playing over the speakers.
apparently, the management lets the employees play whatever they want, and
the guy behind the counter was on an ig kick. my roommate had to
physically drag me out of there...

help me, i'm losing my mind. whoever said finals were a good idea?

meg
mkmst23+@pitt.edu

*he drove the mack truck of love
and it hit you hard...*
-susanney-

hey everyone,

just read on the sony music ig site that "strange fire" and
"1200 curfews" recently both went gold. whoohoo. the
ig faq has now been updated to include this information.

just in case anyone wants to know, the sony ig site is at
http://www.sony.dreammedia.com/epiccenter/docs/artistupdate.qry?artistid=83,
which takes you to the same site that the url posted earlier
by chris becker points to. the ig faq (which it is highly
recommended that you read) can be found at
http://www.fl.net.au/~sherlyn/ig or via anon ftp at chris
becker's site at space.mit.edu/pub/cmb/ig.

now for the rant. can we please please please try to cut
down on the volume of nigc coming through the list? let
me paraphrase and simplify from the faq:
- posts about the music of the indigo girls - good.
- posts about starting our own religion - funny but irrelevant.
- chain letters, of whatever sort - bad.
- crossposts, whether you think they're humourous or not - bad.
- virus warnings - bad.
etc etc etc...

do you see what i'm getting at here?  the "indigo girls" in
"indigo girls mailing list" should also be a big clue.  please
folks, help us cut down on the nigc bandwidth and take it to
private email.  thanks.

sherlyn "yes i have pms, wanna make something of it?" koo

ps - big --->*group hug*<--- for lorinda.  and here's a bucket
to barf in. :)  and stop punching me!  yay folkworld. :)
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- sherlyn koo - sherlyn@fl.net.au -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
"and it's alright if i feel afraid,
  my plans in pieces, my plans mislaid.
  it's the will of the way, the will of the way,
  the will of the only way that could've brought me here today,
  and it's alright."            - emily saliers

on wed, 11 dec 1996, galileo wrote:

> so....what disney movie would you like to see them do?

101 dalmations - and they would play all of the dalmations... ;)

lady and the tramp - emily as lady, and amy as the suave tramp

anna <--who only has one more final to go - yippee!! :)

"how is it that music can, without words, evoke our
laughter, our tears, our highest aspiration?" -jane swan

heh, heh.....

took longer than i expected for someone
to get annoyed this time around ......

you guys are gettin' soft.

nyuk, nyuk
yknib
soon everyone will be off on holiday break and the list mail
will dwindle to a mere trickle...then we will be sad.
(is it just me ? or does the list 'life' seem to ebb and flow
in direct connection to college shedules (finals seem to
be a very strong motivator))

on wed, 11 dec 1996, tera l. galloway wrote:

> is there a news-only version of this list? i'm very interested in
> learning any new indigo girls stuff (including about boots and such), but
> the high traffic on this list is killing my mailbox. although i
> appreciate the closeness that listers feel to one another, it's a bit much
> reading message after message about ellen, or the susan fan club, or ig
> religion . . .

there was, but it was disbanded in early 1995 i think because of lack of
interest.

mat

about hey jesus...

> > didn't amy write it for emily? emily is the only vocalist on it anyway.

if anything, emily wrote it for amy... you know, because amy is jesus. ;)
i really hope you all have heard/seen/experienced in some medium "jesus
christ superstar: a resurrection", in which amy played jesus. and, of
course, michelle malone wrote "medicated magdalene" for emily, because
em played mary magdalene in jcs...=) disclaimer: i have had too much
caffeine...=0

peace, love, and martin luther,
ponygirl

p.s. i know i owe e-mails to lots of people... i promise to write soon!!! to
my master: i love you and am in the process of writing you...=}

i'm pretty dismayed by the folks who say they are thinking of leaving because
of all the tangential dooky on the list the past couple of weeks....and i want
to make a personal plea from all of us that you'll stay.

i feel kind of 'responsible' because of the whole susan marine fan club thing,
which i assure you is totally, 100% a joke made by some extremely well-meaning
close pals of mine on this list. i'm sure they'd be mortifed, as i am, knowing
our little humorous romp through cyberspace might drive you away.

this list is usually way more content-dense and fluff-scarce. so please, give
it a little time won't ya? if we still seem like the same bunch of stupid asses
when things get back to normal, i'll understand if you run screaming like your
skivvies is on fire!

oh!susanna

anyone around the boston area
going to the giants concert on thurs?
there are two shows.. 730 and 1030
at the paradise club, 15$ a pop
i'm going to the 1030 show (i work till 9)
and would love to go with someone.. but it
looks like i am doing it alone...
anyone game? (sorry bout the bandwidth)
and yes that is this thurs.. tomorrow
anjeanette
email privately.. thanks

--
email: boilrmkr@bu.edu

for echo is the soul of the voice exciting itself in hollow places.
-the english patient

saw a new recording advertised in the latest "advocate" - rhino records
(http://www.rhino.com) has come out with the "tim rice collection - stage
& screen classics." it mentions the igs as one of the performers of his
songs, i'm guessing it's "i don't know how to love him" - but i'm not sure.
other performers are elton john & rita coolidge.

the ad says:

the tim rice songbook includes the most enduring moments in contemporary
musicals. the lyricist behind such brillant productions as 'evita,'
'jesus christ superstar,' 'chess,' and 'the lion king' is honored on
this 18-song collection of his most loved work. pulled from the original
cast and soundtrack recordings, the 'tim rice collection' features
performances by elton john, the indigo girls, rita coolidge, and others.
available at record stores everywhere or call 1-800-432-0020, dept. 630,
to order.

nancy humphries
nancy@rbdc.rbdc.com

alright this is bs i send one nigc note i get chewwed out yet i see
endless streams of these short nigc notes as many as 20 a day but because
mine was a big one (and yes it was kinda ig realted casue you could put
the girls names in the survay) yet i see all this ani stuff and dissaper
fear and all these other bands that i should like if i like the girls well
folks they are also nigc so if im gonna get flamed for posting one thing
then start flaming all the fokls posting this stuff to adn no anjeanette
im not singling you out you just happend to be the next nigc i seen i love
tmbg andf if iw as in bosten id go with you

on wed, 11 dec 1996, anjeanette milner wrote:

> anyone around the boston area
> going to the giants concert on thurs?
> there are two shows.. 730 and 1030
> at the paradise club, 15$ a pop
> i'm going to the 1030 show (i work till 9)
> and would love to go with someone.. but it
> looks like i am doing it alone...
> anyone game? (sorry bout the bandwidth)
> and yes that is this thurs.. tomorrow
> anjeanette
> email privately.. thanks
>
> --
> email: boilrmkr@bu.edu
>
> for echo is the soul of the voice exciting itself in hollow places.
> -the english patient
>
> --
> administrative requests should not be sent to the list!
> to unsubscribe, send email to listserv@netspace.org
> with the line: signoff indigo-girls
>

"good things come in small, padded packages!"

~sez abigail :)
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*  'with liberty and justice for all'         *
*   which part of 'all' don't you understand?"*
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*                ~rep. patricia schroeder    *
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hi, it's me again... the girl who asked about kts yesterday. i just wanted
to thank everyone again that wrote to me about this.

i decided to post this to the list in case anyone else was wondering, too.
everyone who's written back (and that includes people from the melissa
etheridge list, where i also posted the question) has said that yes, kts is
indeed a legal/legit company, and that their cd's are pretty good quality. i
wasn't sure whether or not to order but after hearing what people have had to
say, i placed my order for _in with the out crowd_ earlier today.

thanks again, everyone!

donna
college of engineering
rutgers university
new brunswick, nj

in a message dated 96-12-11 21:54:11 est, you write:

> saw a new recording advertised in the latest "advocate" - rhino records
>  (http://www.rhino.com) has come out with the "tim rice collection - stage
>  & screen classics." it mentions the igs as one of the performers of his
>  songs, i'm guessing it's "i don't know how to love him" - but i'm not
sure.
>  other performers are elton john & rita coolidge.

it's actually "everything's alright" and i believe the perfprmers are listed
as amy ray, michael lorant, emily saliers, and cicada sings, but i might have
screwed up their order... on the whole, i don't have much to say about the
collection, but i suppose i should get it, being the completist... =} peace,
love, and two michelle shows this weekend!!!!, sarah

the amazing and talented (but perhaps not the one you want driving
your car... *tiny* accidents hon?) binky (aka pixie aka yknib) pondered
amidst her studies....

>soon everyone will be off on holiday break and the list mail
>will dwindle to a mere trickle...then we will be sad.
>(is it just me ? or does the list 'life' seem to ebb and flow
>in direct connection to college shedules (finals seem to
>be a very strong motivator))

yes. it is just you. no, really... i have seen the following on
several lists (including this one) most of which are far more unfriendly
than this has ever approached. i felt like it was my turn to repost it.
the gawd of mailing lists came to me in a dream or some such thing. enjoy.

***

the natural life cycle of mailing lists

every list seems to go through the same cycle:

1. initial enthusiasm (people introduce themselves, and gush a lot about
how wonderful it is to find kindred souls).

2. evangelism (people moan about how few folks are posting to the list,
and brainstorm recruitment strategies).

3. growth (more and more people join, more and more lengthy threads
develop, occasional off-topic threads pop up).

4.  community (lots of threads, some more relevant than others; lots of
    information and advice is exchanged; experts help other experts as
    well as less experienced colleagues; friendships develop; people
    tease each other; newcomers are welcomed with generosity and
    patience; everyone -- newbie and expert alike -- feels comfortable
    asking questions, suggesting answers, and sharing opinions).

5.  discomfort with diversity (the number of messages increases
    dramatically; not every thread is fascinating to every reader;
    people start complaining about the signal-to-noise ratio; person 1
    threatens to quit if *other* people don't limit discussion to
    person 1's pet topic; person 2 agrees with person 1; person 3
    tells 1 & 2 to lighten up; more bandwidth is wasted complaining
    about off-topic threads than is used for the threads themselves;
    everyone gets annoyed).

6a. smug complacency and stagnation (the purists flame everyone who asks
    an 'old' question or responds with humor to a serious post;
    newbies are rebuffed; traffic drops to a doze-producing level of a
    few minor issues; all interesting discussions happen by private
    email and are limited to a few participants; the purists spend
    lots of time self-righteously congratulating each other on keeping
    off-topic threads off the list).

6b. maturity (a few people quit in a huff; the rest of the participants
    stay near stage 4, with stage 5 popping up briefly every few
    weeks; many people wear out their second or third 'delete' key,
    but the list lives contentedly ever after).

***
of course as long as yknib, sundara, kirsten, kim (pr), karey, jeni,
etc etc and myself hang here... maturity seems a long shot.... lololol!

tracy

"it's as if there were little gremlins running around rewiring the circuits
all the time."
- steven hyman, director of the national institute of mental health,
describing the changes in the brain as it responds to the environment and
experience.

on wed, 11 dec 1996, tracy - bounding around seattle wrote:

>         of course as long as yknib, sundara, kirsten, kim (pr), karey, jeni,
> etc etc and myself hang here... maturity seems a long shot.... lololol!
>
> tracy
hey!!! what about me?? (pouts, hurt)
                                  sharoane
*******************************************************************************
                   my life is an excercise in inertia
*******************************************************************************

i joined the list last week, and already i feel like i'm a part of
it.  the best thing to do is sort through the stuff you don't want
to read, find something that interests you, and comment on it.  i
promise, you'll get a lot of reactions.  but everyone here is soooo
nice, and there are no arguments- only debates.  stick around,
you'll find it's worthwhile!
-rebecca

just bothering the studying binky. hey - if you were *really* studying,
you'd never have seen this.

tracy <insisting (**begging?!?!**) that the pnw party run very late so that
jeni and i can cause lots of trouble even though we won't be able to arrive
until later... hopefully after the hair game and the drinking games are
done. ;-) >

> of course as long as yknib, sundara, kirsten, kim (pr), karey, jeni,
> etc etc and myself hang here... maturity seems a long shot.... lololol!
hah, ha. well, can i be expected to be mature? i think not.
kirsten

definitely, hands down, dumbo!

if only for the chance to see them jam on "pink elephants on parade!"

:) abigail

ok, so yes i am a big dork and i am hiding my head in shame, but thank
you to all who were nice and responded to my plea. have a happy happy
december, and i'll see you all in january(:

at 02:38 pm 12/11/96 -0500, you
wrote:
>i know i suck, but i need to disconnect from the list for finals and i
>can't get off and i lost my instructions...help me please.
>
>happy day,
>jennie
>
>--
>administrative requests should not be sent to the list!
>to unsubscribe, send email to listserv@netspace.org
> with the line: signoff indigo-girls
>
>look up above what i'm writing.

joanne :)

on wed, 11 dec 1996 mmedido@aol.com wrote:

> okay !
>
> so we(me n' the 'gals') would talk about auto insurance and how
> friggin expensive it is, especially if you have one teensy (okay..two)
> little accidents.

you've never had it so good! for us blokes it's about twice as high!
mine cost over 400 quid (and my car only cost 150)! the excuse being
that men have more accidents, but can you imagine the outcry if it was the
other way round??

mat

hey y'all,

some good news on the caroline aiken front:

caroline aiken has signed an exclusive recording deal with east coast
independent label, silverwolf records.  atlanta-based aiken is slated to
record her first album for silverwolf records in january for a spring 1997
release.  the album will feature aiken's solo-acoustic work, as well as some
guest vocalists.  aiken says, "this is what every musician hopes for --
those who believe in the music and the ability of the artist enough to
invest time, money, heart and soul.  i feel fortunate to have this in front
of me, with the team i have to do it with."

caroline aiken's self-produced albums feature appearances by friends such as
bonnie raitt and indigo girls. her current release, "live bait," is in
rotation on radio stations across the country.

silverwolf records is owned and operated by murray krugman, who has produced
albums by blue oyster cult, johnny winter, mahavishnu orchestra and the
dictators.  in 1995, silverwolf records released several compilation cds,
including "women of kerrville" and the "silverwolf homeless project," as
well as "generica," featuring spoken word artist chris chandler.  krugman
will produce aiken's albums for the label.  says krugman, "in the acoustic
class, i'll take caroline at six furlongs or a mile and a half."

contacts:
lorene machado, manager, (818) 787-2468, lorene@flylive.com
murray krugman, silverwolf records, (802) 785-2288, silverwolf@connriver.net

lorene machado
manager
on the fly entertainment, p.o. box 39952, los angeles, ca  90039
phone:  (818) 787-2468, fax:  (818) 787-3031
toll free:  (888) 586-7074
e-mail:  lorene@flylive.com
caroline aiken website:  http://www.hidwater.com/aiken/

all out there

i'm sure there are lots of newbies who get a little frightened about the
activity that happens in here. i have been a member for a round 12 mnths
now and although my posts have been few and far between recently i love
it.

the thing to point out to the newbies is plainly this. when there is
little real ig activity, no new album, tour, apperance etc .. we all get
a little bit itchy and have to do something to cover this. in my eyes is
is a testament to the unity and attitude of the list to still maintain a
high level of traffic even when little is happening.

hang in there and get to know the people, they will welcome you and
include you as if you'd been here forever. don't be afraid to ask
something that you might think is old or a common. we are all here to
learn more about ig and in some cases each other.

stick around and join the party ....

jules

        when you learn to love yourself
        you will dissolve all the stones that are cast ..
                                                amy ray

at 08:51 pm 12/11/96 -0600, the trace-myster wrote:
>***
> of course as long as yknib, sundara, kirsten, kim (pr), karey, jeni,
>etc etc and myself hang here... maturity seems a long shot.... lololol!
>
to which i reply: well!!! i *never*!!! ( and i don't hope to soon, either ):-)
kim in pr who loves her bud trace ( that's who )
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
"don't tell me i'm burning the candle
at both ends... tell me where to get
more wax!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
-------<justkim>rcn@prcn.org----------
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>

hello all!

with the hustle and bustle of holiday travelling right in our grasp, i felt
it necessary to warn...i mean inform all you who are coming to boston and
intend to drive about the rules of the road. (here's the sigc...) make
sure you have your little amy and emily dashboard statues glued to the
dash...you'll need it.

>boston driving
> --------------
>
>the geographical center of boston is in roxbury. due north of the center we
>find the south end. this is not to be confused with south boston, which
>lies directly east from the south end.  north of the south end is east
>boston and southwest of east boston is the north end.
>
> basic rules for driving in boston:
>
>boston is often acclaimed as the most exciting city in america in which to
>drive. who would argue? herewith, for newcomers and visitors, are a few
>basic rules of the road for driving in these parts:
>
>-- to obtain a general idea of how to drive in boston, go to a celtics game
>and carefully watch the fast break.  then get behind the wheel of your car
>and practice it.
>
>  boston drivers would rather die than yield.  the element of surprise is your
> best weapon.
>
> -- never take a green light at face value. always look right and left
>before proceeding.
>
>-- when in doubt, accelerate.
>
> -- very generally speaking, the intransigence of the boston driver is
>directly proportional to the expense of his american-made car, and
>inversely proportional to the expense of his foreign-made car. but in
>applying this formula, bear in mind that they are all more or less
>intransigent.
>
>-- in the long run, parking your car in a lot is always cheaper than
>parking it at a meter.
>
>-- drivers whose cars sport "i brake for animals" bumper stickers may
>brake for animals, but they may not brake for you. watch it.
>
>-- teenage drivers believe they are immortal. don't yield to the temptation
>to teach them otherwise.
>
>-- taxicabs should always be given the right of way, unless you are bent on
>suicide.
>
>-- never, ever, stop for a pedestrian unless he flings himself under the
>wheels of your car.
>
>-- the first parking space you see will be the last parking space you see.
>grab it.
>
>-- learn to swerve abruptly. boston is the home of slalom driving, thanks
>to the registry of motor vehicles, which puts potholes in key locations to
>test drivers' reflexes and keep them on their toes.
>
>-- steer clear of people with anti-nuclear bumper stickers pasted on their
>cars. they are interested in preserving mankind, which is admirable. but
>they are not necessarily interested in preserving you, or themselves, for
>that matter. they have more important things to think about.
>
>-- never get in the way of a car that needs extensive body work.
>
>-- double-park in the north end of boston, unless triple-parking is available.
>
>-- always look both ways when running a red light.
>
>-- while it is possible to fit a 15-foot car into a 15-foot parking space,
>it is seldom possible to fit a 16-foot car into a 15-foot parking space.
>sad but true.
>
>-- there is no such thing as a shortcut during rush-hour traffic in boston.
>
>-- it is traditional in boston to honk your horn at cars that don't move
>the instant the light changes.
>
> -- never put your faith in signs that purport to provide directions. they
>are put there to confuse people who don't know their way around the city.
>
>-- use extreme caution when pulling into breakdown lanes. breakdown lanes
>are not for breaking down, but for speeding, especially during rush hour.
>
>-- never use directional signals, since they only confound and distract
>other boston drivers, who are not used to them.
>
>-- similarly, never attempt to give hand signals. boston drivers, unused to
>such courtesies, will think you are waving them on to pass you.
>
>-- the yellow light is not, as commonly supposed outside the boston area, a
>signal to slow down. it is a warning to speed up and get through the
>intersection before the light turns red.
>
>-- never pass on the left when you can pass on the right.
>
>-- in making a left turn from the right lane, employ the element of
>surprise. that is, do it as suddenly as possible, so as to stun other
>drivers.
>
>-- speed limits are arbitrary figures posted only to make you feel guilty.
>
> -- whenever possible, stop in the middle of a crosswalk to ensure
>inconveniencing as many pedestrians as possible.
>
>-- remember that the goal of every boston driver is to get there first, by
>whatever means necessary.
>
> just because it's snowing/sleeting/raining/hailing doesn't mean that the
>rules > change.
>
>-- above all, keep moving.  and good luck. you'll need it.

have a safe driving day!

joni :o)

at 7:27 pm 12/11/96, galileo wrote:
>well, i was reading joni's message and i thought hey, she is right, so i
>thought that i might try and come up with a new thread...
>
>personally i love disney movies!!!:) i don't know about yall,but i have a
>decent collection of disney stuff....esp. lion king =)

i love disney too! hmmmm....let me think....since they are so supportive
of the native americans, would "pocahontas" be appropriate? amy could be
john, and emily could be pocohontas.

i have a ton of disney movies but do you think i can think of them all?
no. you see, i suffer from crs...can't remember s---, a.k.a. craft (can
you guess what that acronym stands for?)

see y'all later!

joni :o)

perry at rdr just called to say that "levees that break in my heart" is in.
for all who ahve pre-ordered, your copies hit the mail today. please
rememeber that with the holiday rush on mail, tehre may be some
delays even with priority mail. for those have wanted towait until
the disc is in stock, it's here!

for newbies who are saying (what's this?), levees is a cd of older,
pre-epic ig recordings, mainly from the mid to late 80's and
mostly covers. it is an album put out by some fans, not by epic.
sound quality is excellent. it is $19.95 plus shipping available
through rainy day records at 1-800-636-6166.

safe and happy holidays to all.

                          _________
amy p.                    \       /     who holds your hand
pegasus@crl.com            \     /      when you're alone
monk@world.std.com          \   /
the original photo monk      \ /                --patty larkin

alrighty, i'm chimin' in here! as a kid, one of my favoritist disney
flicks was jungle book (like the animals and the song bare necessities) so
i vote for this one!

and i think it would be really cool if some future animated movie came out
with a & e doing voices and music (or maybe a guest appearance on the
simpsons ;).

betsy

hey y'all....i just want to say that this life cycle thingy concerns me. this list has been a life saver for me. i have finally found some people that i can talk to about things that are important, who share ideas freely, and always make me feel welcome. i get the digests, and sometimes even they get kind of long, but the feelings of familiarity, welcome, and belonging i have felt since joining are worth wading through a whole weekend's worth of digests occasionally.

this whole discussion makes me think of tucker's post yesterday (?) about reading chicken soup for the soul to her grandmother--that reminded me that people are what's important in this world, and when we are too busy to be bothered with people, we need to get rid of some of the clutter in our lives.

just my $.02.

-rich (sbmfc charter member)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
cobweb@grove.ufl.edu
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
i'm harboring a fugitive, a defector of a kind
she lives in my soul, drinks of my wine
and i'd give my last breath to keep us alive
-a. ray
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

hi,

as sundara (hi!) said i am bringing my guitar.  please would someone else
bring their guitar, too.  or if you wanna play mine thats ok, too.  i am
having "newbie only been playing guitar for about a year and all of the songs
i know are amy songs" jitters.  looking forward to meeting everyone.

.....i remember the folks said give it a try
or you'll never know who you might have been......es

take care
pj

hi,

i decided to name the cat daemon (thanks betsy for the idea).  his last name
is kittenman (chew on my hand).  he likes to sit on my lap when i am reading
e-mail and sits on my shoulder when i play guitar.  his favorite song is
strange fire, too.  thanks again for all of your responses and help.

take care and (mew),
pj and daemon(greek mythology - guardian spirit according to websters)

hey y'all,
i rememer a while back someone commenting on the impressive fiona
apple. well, i got her cd yesterday, tidal, and was surprised to see
that one of her bass players is the festive sara lee. isn't that cool?
it's an outstanding album, i can't believe fiona is only 18 yrs old.
anyways, you know that obnoxious game six degrees of kevin bacon, i bet
we could do a pretty good job at six degrees of indigo and link any
artist to the indigo girls. for example, fiona apple to indigo girls b/c
sara lee played with fiona apple and sara lee played with indigo girls.
since the girls have been around so long, it prolly works pretty well.
good luck on all your finals everyone, my last one is today :)

dave, who can't decide on a good sig file so just won't bother

joni writes:

> with the hustle and bustle of holiday travelling right in our grasp, i felt
> it necessary to warn...i mean inform all you who are coming to boston and
> intend to drive about the rules of the road. (here's the sigc...) make
> sure you have your little amy and emily dashboard statues glued to the
> dash...you'll need it.

if you like joni's rules, may i suggest you pick up an album? greg
greenway's "a road worth walking down". the last song is a live track
entitled "massachusetts" which puts into verse the true boston driving
experience ... heck ken "babyface" rodgers, dean of the college of
automusicology (this is where i lose the non-npr listeners), has
selected a verse from the song as the midshow interlude on "car talk."

not to mention greg is a wonderful artist, and the rest of the album
is very, very good. you won't be disappointed. =)

-- chris

        "what the hell is a 'rotary'?
         what are these people trying to do to me?
         i was almost killed by my own courtesy!"

-- greg greenway

at 09:47 am 12/12/96 -0400, joni wrote:
>no. you see, i suffer from crs...can't remember s---, a.k.a. craft (can
>you guess what that acronym stands for?)

me, i can't remember ship either, which is danged annoying when ya live in a
place where the only means out by car is via ferry... sigh...
peace all... kim ( who sent her sci-fi fiction to the other kim in north van
+ awaits her response with bitten to nub nails... )
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
"don't tell me i'm burning the candle
at both ends... tell me where to get
more wax!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
-------<justkim>rcn@prcn.org----------
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>

sorry if you feel that this is a waste of bandwidth, but i thought it was
great and i'm sure many of you will appreciate it!

please pass it on!

>---------- forwarded message ----------
>date: mon, 9 dec 1996 22:03:59 -0500 (est)
>>from: bryan hayes <bryhayes@freenet.columbus.oh.us>
>subject: please read
>
>subject: sweet revenge (fwd)date: sat, 7 dec 1996 06:42:05 pstmessage-id:
><19961207.064342.7303.0.tracy.drake@juno.com>
>-------------------- begin forwarded message ---------------------
>my daughter and i had just finished a salad at neiman-marcuscafe in dallas
>and decided to have a small dessert.  becauseboth of us are such cookie
>lovers, we  decided to try the"neiman-marcus cookie".  it was so excellent
>that i asked if theywould give me the recipe and the waitress said with a
>small frown,"i'm afraid not."  well, i said, would you let me buy the
>recipe? with a cute smiles she said, "yes".  i asked how much, and she
>responded, "only two fifty, it's a great deal!"  i said with approval just
>add it to my tab.  thirty days later, i received my visa statement from
>neiman-marcus and it was for $285.00.  i looked again and i remembered i
>had only spent $9.95 for the two salads and and about$20.00 for a new
>scarf.  as i glanced at the bottom of the statement, it said: cookie
>recipe - $250.00.  that's outrageous!  i called neiman's accounting dept.
>and told them the waitress said it was "two-fifty"which clearly does not
>mean "two hundred and fifty dollars" by any*possible* interpretation of
>the phrase.  neiman-marcus refusedto budge. they would not refund my money
>because, according tothem, "what the waitress told you is not our
>problem."  you have already seen the recipe - we absolutely will not
>refund your moneyat this point."  i explained to her the criminal statutes
>which governfraud in texas, i threatened to refer them to the better
>businessbureau and the state's attorney general for engaging in fraud.  i
>was basically told, "do what you want, we don't give a crap,and we're not
>refunding your money."  i waited, thinking of how i couldget even, or even
>try to get any of my money back.  i just said, "okay, you folks got my
>$250.00, and now i'm going to have$250.00 worth of fun." i told her that i
>was going to see to it thatevery cookie lover in the united states with an
>e-mail account has a $250.00 cookie recipe from neiman-marcus...for free.
>she replied, "i wish you wouldn't do this." i said," well, you should have
>thought of that before! you ripped me off!"  and i slammed down the phone
>on her. so here it is!!  please, please, please pass it on to everyone you
>can possibly think of.  i paid $250 for this....i don't want neiman-marcus
>to *ever* get another penny off of this recipe....
>(recipe my be halved)
>
>
>
>
>2 cups butter
>4 cups flour
>2 tsp. soda
>2 cups sugar
>5 cups blended oatmeal**
>24 oz. chocolate chips
>2 cups brown sugar
>1 tsp. salt
>1 8 oz. hershey bar (grated)
>4 eggs
>2 tsp. baking powder
>3 cups chopped nuts (your choice)
>2 tsp. vanilla
>**measure oatmeal and blend in a blender to a fine powder.
>cream the butter and both sugars.  add eggs and vanilla; mix together with
>flour,  oatmeal, salt, baking powder, and soda.  add chocolate chips,
>hershey bar, and nuts.  roll into balls and place two inches apart on
>a cookie sheet.
>bake for 10 minutes at 375 degrees.
>makes 112 cookies. have fun!! this is *not* a joke---this is a true
>story....ride free,citizen!!
>
>
>
>

ummm... okay, so i also *love* disney's full length animated movies, and my
favorite of all time is beauty and the beast... oh geez, the fun that could
be had with *that* one:) it's all about loving someone for who they are, not
what package he/she comes in... hmmmm.... is there an interesting parallel
there or what???
i'd cast e as belle and a as...uh... beast ( they never named the guy... i
mean after the whole thing was said + done and the two were married did she
like *keep* calling him beast??? i mean, really. "( insert name of some old
school friend), i'd like you to meet my new husband, beast" ... oh well... )
anyhoo... the songs in that movie are so *fun*... i can just imagine...
peace all, kim in pr who swears off this posting frenzy... i think...
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
"don't tell me i'm burning the candle
at both ends... tell me where to get
more wax!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
-------<justkim>rcn@prcn.org----------
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>

[cookie recipe thing clipped]

     as i put on my flame retardant super suit! stooooop sending this
     stupid cookie recipe!!!! ahhhhh! i've had this darn thing forwarded to
     every mailing list i've been on at least...um...as i count on my
     fingers...20 bazillion times. (no i don't have that many finger, but i
     did recruit some of my co-workers to help :)

schwooooo...ok, i feel much better now, and i'm wearing my preeeety
suit :):):):)

kira

wghats this the third time this has come through here

on thu, 12 dec 1996 atlmouse@aol.com wrote:

> sorry if you feel that this is a waste of bandwidth, but i thought it was
> great and i'm sure many of you will appreciate it!
>
> please pass it on!
>
> >---------- forwarded message ----------
> >date: mon, 9 dec 1996 22:03:59 -0500 (est)
> >>from: bryan hayes <bryhayes@freenet.columbus.oh.us>
> >subject: please read
> >
> >subject: sweet revenge (fwd)date: sat, 7 dec 1996 06:42:05 pstmessage-id:
> ><19961207.064342.7303.0.tracy.drake@juno.com>
> >-------------------- begin forwarded message ---------------------
> >my daughter and i had just finished a salad at neiman-marcuscafe in dallas
> >and decided to have a small dessert.  becauseboth of us are such cookie
> >lovers, we  decided to try the"neiman-marcus cookie".  it was so excellent
> >that i asked if theywould give me the recipe and the waitress said with a
> >small frown,"i'm afraid not."  well, i said, would you let me buy the
> >recipe? with a cute smiles she said, "yes".  i asked how much, and she
> >responded, "only two fifty, it's a great deal!"  i said with approval just
> >add it to my tab.  thirty days later, i received my visa statement from
> >neiman-marcus and it was for $285.00.  i looked again and i remembered i
> >had only spent $9.95 for the two salads and and about$20.00 for a new
> >scarf.  as i glanced at the bottom of the statement, it said: cookie
> >recipe - $250.00.  that's outrageous!  i called neiman's accounting dept.
> >and told them the waitress said it was "two-fifty"which clearly does not
> >mean "two hundred and fifty dollars" by any*possible* interpretation of
> >the phrase.  neiman-marcus refusedto budge. they would not refund my money
> >because, according tothem, "what the waitress told you is not our
> >problem."  you have already seen the recipe - we absolutely will not
> >refund your moneyat this point."  i explained to her the criminal statutes
> >which governfraud in texas, i threatened to refer them to the better
> >businessbureau and the state's attorney general for engaging in fraud.  i
> >was basically told, "do what you want, we don't give a crap,and we're not
> >refunding your money."  i waited, thinking of how i couldget even, or even
> >try to get any of my money back.  i just said, "okay, you folks got my
> >$250.00, and now i'm going to have$250.00 worth of fun." i told her that i
> >was going to see to it thatevery cookie lover in the united states with an
> >e-mail account has a $250.00 cookie recipe from neiman-marcus...for free.
> >she replied, "i wish you wouldn't do this." i said," well, you should have
> >thought of that before! you ripped me off!"  and i slammed down the phone
> >on her. so here it is!!  please, please, please pass it on to everyone you
> >can possibly think of.  i paid $250 for this....i don't want neiman-marcus
> >to *ever* get another penny off of this recipe....
> >(recipe my be halved)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >2 cups butter
> >4 cups flour
> >2 tsp. soda
> >2 cups sugar
> >5 cups blended oatmeal**
> >24 oz. chocolate chips
> >2 cups brown sugar
> >1 tsp. salt
> >1 8 oz. hershey bar (grated)
> >4 eggs
> >2 tsp. baking powder
> >3 cups chopped nuts (your choice)
> >2 tsp. vanilla
> >**measure oatmeal and blend in a blender to a fine powder.
> >cream the butter and both sugars.  add eggs and vanilla; mix together with
> >flour,  oatmeal, salt, baking powder, and soda.  add chocolate chips,
> >hershey bar, and nuts.  roll into balls and place two inches apart on
> >a cookie sheet.
> >bake for 10 minutes at 375 degrees.
> >makes 112 cookies. have fun!! this is *not* a joke---this is a true
> >story....ride free,citizen!!
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> administrative requests should not be sent to the list!
> to unsubscribe, send email to listserv@netspace.org
>         with the line: signoff indigo-girls
>

i know i should have saved this when i had the chance, but if someone could
just repost or send me just the line after "why do we hurl(hurtle?) our-
selves through every inch of time and space..." thanks!!!

to everyone taking finals, good luck and hang in there! :) even though i'm
not taking any, i know what it's like (boy do i ever), and am so glad to be
done with classes (except for glassblowing next semester, but i am con-
sidering that to be fun!)

hi to lorindigo! (how's the post-doc?) and to lori b. the canadian, corinne
(battle on, xena!), and of course, susan marine (from yet another sue; good
grief, do we have to start numbering ourselves like the chris's!!!)

steiny

mark wrote:
> wghats this the third time this has come through here

<<receipe deleted>>

correction! its now the fourth time that you saw it considering you
sent it back through the list in the same message you were complaining about
it?!?!?!?!?

hello?!? mcfly? do you see the problem here?

i have much less of a problem with someone who honestly thought they
were helping and providing a service to the list at large.  yeah,
maybe they shouldn't have.  maybe it is the longest running piece of
urban folklore i know of.  but at least people can make cookies and
some poor schmo at the make a wish foundation isn't getting bobmarded
with get well cards for a 20 year old.

not only did you pump back what you were complaining about in the
first place, not 2 hours ago you wrote the list about how you were
unfairly getting flamed for nigc, like that "cuisnart sex" (or
whatever) thing.

/** end of flamage **/

now lets make peace, ok?

the faq exists, in part, because hoaxes have been around since the
only purpose of the internet was communication during a nuclear
attack.  even if you've never seen it, its probably been around.  if
you think something is a great idea and want to increase exposure by
spamming it, confirm it first!  it could simply be a phone call --
make-a-wish probably has a craig shergold hotline set up.  tell us
that you personally confirmed it.  tell us when to stop forwarding the
thing, or better yet -- tell us not to.

and please, edit your posts to the minimum of quoted material. if you
don't know how, and you've done an rtfm, find a local person to help
you.

-- chris

"hello! those are mutually exclusive goals!
oh did i say that out loud, normally i just think it...."

-- alice to "the boss," dilbert

we actually used to play "six degrees of tony levin", as he appeared to
be someone who played with lots of people...we also used to allow you to
switch between actors and musicians by using (for example) ig in boys on
the side and a few others...

darren

=============================================================================
darren m glass                       "jump through the ring of fire into the
darglass@owlnet.rice.edu                 real world (what's so real about it?)"
http://www.owlnet.rice.edu/~darglass/           - michelle malone
==============================================================================

> if you like joni's rules, may i suggest you pick up an album? greg
> greenway's "a road worth walking down". the last song is a live track
> entitled "massachusetts" which puts into verse the true boston driving

or you can get the same song, live version on a new compilation,
volume 2 of chrstine lavin's laugh tracks.  i cant recall who else is
on that one (though i think cliff eberhardt is).  volume one features
patty larkin, cheryl wheeler, vance gilbert (you gotta hear
contry-western rap).  they are fabulous albums, out on shanachie.  a lot
of really funny stuff from a lot of great songwriters on those
collections.

>
> not to mention greg is a wonderful artist, and the rest of the album
> is very, very good. you won't be disappointed. =)

wholeheartedly agree, though i think "sinnging for the landlord" is
my favorite of his two albums.

joan m. cyr wrote:
> > basic rules for driving in boston:

don't forget:

always tailgate. if you don't, someone will cut you off, and you'll
suddenly be tailgating anyway.

ah, college days...

tom
---
tomcat ____     i thought i'd seen someone who seemed at last
       \ _/__   to know the truth
        \\  /   i was mistaken
          \/    only a child laughing in the sun
                     -- david crosby

i'd bake brownies and watch christmas specials with them. then maybe
we'd go caroling.
ben

leaving ain't fair....
but i'm sure we'll be back together again!!!
(i thinks there's a song in there somewhere :))

well folks i'm leaving the usa soon....... back to england. i've had a
great time this year and have made a lot of friends on the list. i was very
fortunate to meet so many of you in new orleans, newport, seattle and
atlanta. now it's time for me to go home..... should any of you want to
keep in contact with me then this e-mail address will be active until next
tuesday...... write to me :)

take care y'all
sharon.... the brit abroad.

"i can't imagine having separate careers. my greatest fear is that it'll end."
                                                  emily saliers
               "my greatest fear is that emily has a fear that it'll end."
                                                     amy ray

hmmmm...christmas carolling with the indigo girls...no that's a
thought....and maybe a new thread....what would it be like? how do you
picture it? what would we sing?

i say it'd be just like the closer to fine video (the pied piper
scenario)....a quiet street...amy in her leather jacket and scarf, and
emily in a big down jacket and cute hat...snow falling...red
noses...candles...everyone locking arms and singing...fa la la la la, la la
la la......

who wants to go? (i don't wanna work....i want to bang on the keyboard all
day...)

joni :o)

i'd been thinking all those posts about ig on the radio were getting a
bit tedious, but just now least complicated came on (wxpn philly, so
probably if i listened more often it wouldn't even be a big deal) and now
i understand the excitement. it would be so cool if someone took my
entire tape-and-cd collection and started broadcasting. (well, not the
whole thing....i must confess to owning thriller and the we are the world
soundtrack and a couple of middle-school-bad-taste mixes.)

anyway.  this final paper stuff is bringing out the procrastination and
the guilt in me.  those of you who have emailed in response to my bio
paper...thanks, and i *will* write back, somewhat soon.  anyone who has
spend significant time on a kibbutz and wouldn't mind me asking a couple
of questions, i'd love to here from you.....my current paper is about
sexual equality and the role of women on the kibbutz.  (anyone who's just
completely confused by what a kibbutz is, relax, this paper will be up on
my web page when it's done and you can all read what i've -not- been
working on all semester. ;)

i am going to shut up now and get some work done. thank you all for the
pleasant distractions. i mean it....this is much better than the other
mindless stuff i usually wind up doing instead of paperwriting.
perseverance to all,
audrey

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
http://www.stwing.upenn.edu/~abstein for essays, photos, recipes, musings,
and book reviews.  stop in and rest awhile, then send your own profound
thoughts and inane questions to abstein@force.stwing.upenn.edu.  no
purchase necessary.  personal happiness recommended but not guaranteed.

although i have seen this message a bizillion times it still makes me
laugh. plus, the cookies are pretty good too!
ben

oooh! now that's a lovely holiday thought

in response to joni, i want to go too!

there's this song called "lo, how a rose" and it's got four (singing) parts and
it's usually sung acapella
it's my favorite christmas carol besides silent night

and that's what we would sing, standing in a circle, holding candles

'sigh'

kim(who wants to go to bed so she can have visions of a&e dancing in
her head)

in response to:
>boston driving

ok, you've dragged me from my lurk-age. are you making fun of the way i drive? (; i'll have you know that driving is an art, and we boston drivers have managed to master that art! on behalf of the other drivers in this fine city, i am asking any visitors to either drive like us or take the "t" (cabs are bad). (o: (kidding of course, no flames please - too stressed already about finals without having a whole bunch of angry ig people after me ;)
anyway, i'm outta here, and back to studying, studying, studying. whose brilliant idea were finals anyway?!

fare thee well,
beth

--- mat wrote:
for us blokes it's about twice as high!
mine cost over 400 quid (and my car only cost 150)! the excuse being
that men have more accidents, but can you imagine the outcry if it was the
other way round??
--- end of quoted material ---
hmmm, funny... its been proven through market research that haircuts, clothing,
and dry cleaning all cost 20-40% more for women than for men--for the same
amount of time, work, and materials! can you imagine the outcry if it was the
other way around????

wheeeeee! we could play this game all day!!!

power to the sisters and the brothers,
susanna feminist marine, once again, ad nauseum, blahdy-blahdy-blah
ps you don't have to be a feminist to join my fan club. i'll still give you a
free backrub at newport 1997 <grin>

what disney movie should the girls do?  seems obvious to me: snow white!
can't you just see emily sweeping and humming to herself?  or amy as the
mighty prince?  we could be the dwarfs!

maybe it's just me . . .

-elizabeth

***************************

"it feels sooooo funny to be free!!" (<-- finally i can identify with that
line! yesterday was the best day!)

i fully agree with chris - the only thing worse than receiving the cookie
recipe again on the list, is having to reread it by people responding to it
and reposting the entire thing over and over! non newbies should know
better. aargh!!!

how about a new thread: how do you think a and e will be spending the holidays?

hi tami, katy, nadyne, sue!

lori

at 4:17 pm 12/12/96, beth wrote:
>in response to:
>>boston driving
>ok, you've dragged me from my lurk-age. are you making fun of the way i
>drive? >(; i'll have you know that driving is an art, and we boston
>drivers have >managed to master that art!

quite the contrary, my dear.  if you look at my address (@mit.edu), you
will see that i, myself, am a boston driver  (mit, as in massachusetts
institute of technology).  i am also a master, especially at "slalom pot
holes."  i think someday, yes someday, that will be an olympic event, and i
will be like little mary lou retton and will win lots and lots of gold
medals.  someday....

>on behalf of the other drivers in this fine city, i am asking any visitors
>to >either drive like us or take the "t" (cabs are bad).

beth, you and i should start a new tourist attraction called "drive with a
real boston driver."  we could take people around boston, and drive, well,
like we always do.  [we'd hang a sign in the car that said "please, people,
don't try this at home...we are professionals...."]  we could definately
rake in the dough, don't you think?  we'd charge extra in the snow 'cuz
we'd go to big empty parking lots and do "doughnuts."  whoo hoo!

i'd like as my first customer....susan marine....you need to get back on
that horse, honey. you'll never fear driving in the snow again...probably
'cuz you'd never drive in the snow again after driving with me...hehe ;o)

(it's been way too long since the last time we picked on you suzieq...)

see ya!

joni :o)

> i know i should have saved this when i had the chance, but if someone could
> just repost or send me just the line after "why do we hurl(hurtle?) our-
> selves through every inch of time and space..." thanks!!!

why do we hurtle ourselves through every inch of time and space
i must say around some corner i can sense a resting place

> to everyone taking finals, good luck and hang in there! :
i second that, alot of my friends are taking them and having lots-o-fun,
but not really,

if anyone wants a copy of most (to my belief) of the songs sung by the
indigo girls, old and new, though if someone who is sure of their list
could send me a copy, i would be greatly appriciative (spelling?)

to those who i owe tapes to, i got $ finally and they will be coming out
in the next few days, thanx

nick

where am i?

what about hansel and gretal?

jamie a suthard
<suthardj@ralph.southwestern.edu>

on thu, 12 dec 1996, elizabeth m. bolles wrote:

> what disney movie should the girls do?  seems obvious to me: snow white!
>  can't you just see emily sweeping and humming to herself?  or amy as the
> mighty prince?  we could be the dwarfs!
>
> maybe it's just me . . .
>
> -elizabeth
>
> ***************************
>
> "it feels sooooo funny to be free!!"  (<-- finally i can identify with that
> line!  yesterday was the best day!)
>
> --
> administrative requests should not be sent to the list!
> to unsubscribe, send email to listserv@netspace.org
>         with the line: signoff indigo-girls
>

pj nervously shared:
>hi,
>
>as sundara (hi!) said i am bringing my guitar.  please would someone else
>bring their guitar, too.  or if you wanna play mine thats ok, too.  i am
>having "newbie only been playing guitar for about a year and all of the songs
>i know are amy songs" jitters.  looking forward to meeting everyone.

sigh.
        okay.  i'll bring my ovation, and do my best to arm-twist jeni into
bringing her jackson.  however, it has been a very long time since i even
pretended to play guitar, and in those days i was the long-haired, black
eyeliner, bangs-over-my-eyes,  rocker, hard rock, lead guitarist in a sort
of odd punk band type... now, i am getting "old" and jeni makes me trim my
bangs. (just kidding).  so, you are all hereby instructed not to expect me
to play, just cuz' i'm bringing one. (unless you wanna' hear out-of-practice
renditions of punk/hard rock stuff from the late 80s, haha) heck, sharoane
still hasn't gotten me a capo thing so i can't even try <sniff sniff> to
learn any ig songs.
        question: is anyone (such as our illustrious hostess') bringing any
sort of amplification device, or should i make jeni bring her practice amp too?

tracy <nervously thinking it is time to practice the one ig song she has
managed to figure out... "... take off our clothes and wash our sins away,
and the river said....">

"the story was not very solid,
and one man was too stupid to sympathize with."

-- jeni saulino, 2-10-94

at 4:27 pm 12/12/96, susan b. marine wrote:
>hmmm, funny... its been proven through market research that haircuts, clothing,
>and dry cleaning all cost 20-40% more for women than for men--for the same
>amount of time, work, and materials! can you imagine the outcry if it was the
>other way around????
>
>wheeeeee! we could play this game all day!!!

#1: case in point: i purchased a blue suede vest from the women's
department at a major department store. my cost: $29.99

i purchased a similar black suede vest from the men's department at another
major department store: my cost: $16.99 (bought the brown suede too at
that price...)

you do the math.

then you wrote:

>ps you don't have to be a feminist to join my fan club. i'll still give you a
>free backrub at newport 1997 <grin>

#2:  susie:  did you know they already have a web page about nff'97?  the
dates are already set.  and...if the offer still holds, i'd like to join
the fan club  (i'll do almost anything for a back rub  <grin>  ;o)

joni :o)

kim, my only accented goddess, wondered (and i can imagine her perfectly
=gazing wistfully skyward)after suggesting amy as the beast about the name
of the beast in beauty and the beast:
> ( they never named the guy... i
>mean after the whole thing was said + done and the two were married did she
>like *keep* calling him beast??? i mean, really. "( insert name of some old
>school friend), i'd like you to meet my new husband, beast" ... oh well... )

why not? i am pretty sure this is how jeni introduces me. it keeps
people from bothering us too much.

tracy <who also wonders if i'm kidding>

"the story was not very solid,
and one man was too stupid to sympathize with."

-- jeni saulino, 2-10-94

id like to see the girrls do a non disney movie i think they would be
great for thelma and louise and have the one person be a girl instead of a
guy

>
> on thu, 12 dec 1996, elizabeth m. bolles wrote:
>
> > what disney movie should the girls do?  seems obvious to me: snow white!
> >  can't you just see emily sweeping and humming to herself?  or amy as the
> > mighty prince?  we could be the dwarfs!
> >

ive been dicussing with another listee about creating a archive of ig
stuff for the list now i know alot of this stuff is probally available at
life blood but well alot of folks dont have web access or have slow web
access plus we can put personal list stuff here like a copy of all hte ig
dreams folks have had i have a big list of lyrics(supposedly just abotu
every song ever sung by the girls) which i wont send to the list cause of
its size but would put in the archives we could also put a list of all the
in jokes (like the grape nuts thinngs) so new users know what we are
talking about list of boot legs we know about set lists for said boots
special boots we ourselves have made etc etc etc articles newletters
discuassions we have had so if your intrested email me

> so....what disney movie would you like to see them do?
>
> don't forget the oldies, they are some of the best!

snow white, definitely! with emily as snow white, and amy as princess
charming!!!

can i be a dwarf?
sam (aka sleepy)
(hey--and susan marine can be bashful! :):):)

on thu, 12 dec 1996, mark anthony donajkowski wrote:

> ive been dicussing with another listee about creating a archive of ig
> stuff for the list now i know alot of this stuff is probally available at
> life blood but well alot of folks dont have web access or have slow web
> access plus we can put personal list stuff here like a copy of all hte ig
> dreams folks have had i have a big list of lyrics(supposedly just abotu
> every song ever sung by the girls) which i wont send to the list cause of
> its size but would put in the archives we could also put a list of all the
> in jokes (like the grape nuts thinngs) so new users know what we are
> talking about list of boot legs we know about set lists for said boots
> special boots we ourselves have made etc etc etc articles newletters
> discuassions we have had so if your intrested email me

as for the funny stuff, i've been compiling some of the ig humour i've
found on the list and putting them on my web page. if anyone else has
anything to send, please email it my way. (unencrypted, please!)

http://www.aber.ac.uk/~mts5/indigo/indigo-wit.html

mat

>
> >on behalf of the other drivers in this fine city, i am asking any visitors
> >to >either drive like us or take the "t" (cabs are bad).
or jaywalk! woo hoo!
why?

* at any boston street crossing, you can tell who the tourists are by looking
who isn't jaywalking.

* if the boston police gave out jaywalking tickets, they wouldn't be able to
do anything else and murderers, rapists, and politicians would run loose on
the streets of roxbury and roslindale.

* if marc cohn wrote a song about boston, he would call it "jaywalking in
boston".

okay, back to studying for my russian final *sigh*.
kirsten

i know that i have said this before, but does anyone else love the song
watershed as much as i do? for some reason this song just gets to me. all
of their songs are great and meaningful, but i feel as though my life can be
described just by this song.
thought i knew my mind like the back of my hand,
the gold and the rainbow, but nothing panned out as i planned. (boy is this
true =))
and they say only milk and honey's gonna make your soul satisfied!
well i better learn how to swim
cause the crossing is chilly and wide.(so lonely sometimes, even when you
have people who love you by your side.)
twisted guardrail on the highway, broken glass on the cement-
a ghost of someone's tragedy
how recklessly my time has been spent.
and they say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger. (no
kidding)!
well i better learn how to starve the emptiness
and feed the hunger. (well that just speakes for itself).
up on the watershed, standing at the fork in the road
you can stand there and agonize (which i have done plenty of).
till your agony's your heaviest load.
you'll never fly as the crow flies, get used to a country mile. (getting there.)
when you're learning to face the path at your pace
every choice is worth your while. (what if it is the wrong path?)
well there's always retrospect to light a clearer path
everyfive years or so i look back on my life
and have a good laugh. (oh yes, this one is really true, also some good
cries too. =))
you start at the top, go full circle round
catch a breeze, take a spill- (how many spills are there going to be?)
but ending up where i started again makes me wanna stand still,
stepping on a crack, breaking up and looking back
every tree limb overhead just seems to sit and wait
until every step you take becomes a twist of fate.

this song just hits home. anyone out there agree, disagree? anything?
take care all..only five more days of listville for me..until mid jan. that is..
tucker

********************************
you have to laugh at yourself
because you'd cry your eyes out
if you didn't
---ig
*******************************

i don't think there is a disney version of hansel and gretal out. but
it would be a pretty cool flic. maybe we could convince emily and amy to
write the music for it.
ben( who just found out that the opera hansel und gretal is going to be
in next years season.....heise mutter ich bin da)

>
> as for the funny stuff, i've been compiling some of the ig humour i've
> found on the list and putting them on my web page.   if anyone else has
> anything to send, please email it my way.   (unencrypted, please!)
>
> http://www.aber.ac.uk/~mts5/indigo/indigo-wit.html
>
one of the reasons i wanna make a archive(like we have on another list i
have ) is that you send  a request for just what yo want and boom it gets
sent to you also some folks dont have browsers just email boxes also the
web is slow some places cant accesss other places places like australia
only have one line going in and out of the country to web access for them
is slow

it's been interesting reading all this advice . . . except for one thing.
i'm not a newbie. i've been on the list for over three years, i started
reading back when stephen was listmeister. i've seen silly posts {m&ms
anyone?}, flame wars, etc etc etc.

i knew that, at one point, there had been a news-only version, but at the
time i wasn't particularly interested. i couldn't remember if it still
existed or not, which is why i originally asked.

the reason i asked for it is nothing against y'all.  as i said, i've been
here for quite awhile.  i'm an accomplished lurker.  i know there's
nothing really going on right now with the girls themselves.  there's only
so much that can be said about things that have been discussed and
discussed and discussed before.  {not that silence on a list when there's
nothing going on is a bad thing!}  if it weren't for the list, i would
never have known about the honor the earth discs, or the demo tour, and i
certainly wouldn't have as many bootlegs as i do.  i really love the
feeling of community here.

*but* there's a lot going on right now.  not even just the holidays and
such; but my thesis, searching for a grad school, a new job, a new home.
i'm still *very* interested in the girls and their music.  this list is
really the only way that i know anything that's going on with them.  but
there's so much extraneous (i'm sure i just misspelled that!) posting on
the list right now.

people have suggested the digest form of the list to me, but that does no
good when there's 5-8 screens of chain letter or boston driving {not to
criticise anyone, just using an example :) }. there's still all that to
scroll through, and none of it with any true content.

this is not meant in any way to flame someone. i just recognise that i'm
running low on time {thank god my finals are done though!}, and that it
can take a pretty fair amount of time to wade through all the stuff on the
list.

which is why i've asked about the news-only list. it doesn't exist now,
but what are the chances of setting one up? perhaps even as a moderated
version of this list {set up a bot that automatically filters out anything
that says nigc at the top?}, so that no one has to worry about missing out
an any announcements, tour info, bootleg stuff, etc etc etc.

tera.

can anyone tell me what kind of guitars amy and emily play ?

la
lawtla@leonis.nus.sg

hi y'all...

a couple of days ago i asked:

which girl was writing and performing something other than music in
elementary school, and what was she writing?

and what was the title and genre of her first work?

are you ready for the answer and the winners (and half-credits and the
ceative honorable mentions)???

<color><param>0000,0000,ffff</param>okay, it was amy...she wrote plays
and the first work was "the christmas rose" which was kind of a funky
science fiction play.

</color>

carolyn gets full credit!!! katy, susan, deb r., wendell and camille
get half-credit and jamie gets the "nice try, but not even close" award
<<g>...

and anna gets the creative honorable mention for this answer...

emily with "love letters to danny" in the genre of "do you want to come
over to my house and play?"

thanks for humoring me all!!!

jen

well... every song would be a prayer... and i guess that the uptown lounge
would be the high temple.... i'm working on others...

hey everyone,  okay, just a reminder, the party is saturday, the 14th,
around 7 pm, at kathy miller's house.  please email me for directions asap
if you still need them.  it's a potluck, and byob.  claire also wants to
cut everyone's hair.  hee.  carolyn and pj (and maybe tracy and jeni) will
be bringing their guitars, and bring any fun ig paraphenalia you might
have.

pppbbbllltttt <-- sundara sticks her tongue out at all you who can't come,
hee hee, just kidding, i didn't want to appear mature or anything in this
post :)

peace, love, and hollyday parties,

sundara, president, susan b. marine fan club

"oh, you set up your place in my thoughts, moved in and made my thinking
crowded..."
emily

alright, so i lied, one more post about the party.

jeni saulino, please email me so i can send you directions, the email addy
is not working, everything keeps getting sent back. thanks.

peace, love, and hollyday parties,

sundara, president, susan b. marine fan club

"oh, you set up your place in my thoughts, moved in and made my thinking
crowded..."
emily

i was reading the book "drawing down the moon", which, from what i
understand, is a classic as far as literature on paganism is concerned...
what i saw there was a section on the church of all worlds...  this, for
those of you who don't know (and any who do, correct my mistakes) is a
religion, legally, that exists based on the writing of robert heinlein,
specifically (drum roll... it's alec's controversial book!!!!)  stranger in
a strange land.  it made me think for a second.....  if someone can start a
religion based on a sci-fi book (damn good one, too), why not a band, or,
specifically, a doctrine based on music in general that revolves around the
theme...  this would include, in my opinion, the girls, dar, (i don't know
enough me to comment), the dead, maybe phish (though they're more erisian, i
think), maybe tmbg, and a host of other bands that we all think have good
themes...  we could write our own tao-te-ching of sorts...  it would be
interesting to experiment with, just as a suggestion to think about...  i
mean, if every meeting started with the song reunion or something...  (used
for title as opposed to content)...  and ended with something... maybe ctf
:)  who knows...  all i know is that i claim court bard...  or at least, one
of them...

i don't know, just rambling on little caffeine and little sleep,

alec

ps. just finished one paper, as soon as i get it back, i'm free for a month
on career internship... god love the a-school... :)

hey!
who's planning on going to the atlanta party friday night?
could our most gracious host please e-me with directions again?
thanks and see ya' tomorrow night!
~~robin

hey everyone,

        i just shared my happiness with jen and i'm so excited that i wanted to
share with all of you.  i can honestly say that i am the happiest person
alive right now.  i think only if amy and emily gave me a private
concert at my house i could be happier!
        since i am only a senior in high school and one of the young list
members, for the past few months i have been stressing like crazy with
college stuff.  well, today a got an early decision acceptance letter
from cornell university and i am just soooo excited!!!  i don't know why
i'm posting this to the list but i just wanted to share my happiness and
i thought maybe some of you list members could possibly have tips,
advice or any other knowledge they might have about cornell.  anyway, i
won't babble on longer and annoy you guys.  so have a great indigo day,
i know i will!

                                -jonny
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                                   jonny wu
                              wuman@warwick.net
                                   a+e=ig
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                  "all the shiny little trinkets of temptation
                   something new instead of something old, all
                   you gotta do is scratch beneath the surface
                   and it's fools gold....."
                                                     - emily saliers

ok, ok, how many of you are reading this post just because of the rem
connection? huh?

now that i've gotcha, i want to tell you about a group called acumen.
ig-types might enjoy them.  right now, they've got a cd out -- "out of
balance" -- with a song called "hawk."  and knowing some of the story behind
the song makes listening to it that better. you can download a sound byte of
"hawk" on the acumen web page at:
http://www.w-link.net/~forestlawn/acumen.htm  -- tell 'em

here's my own little blurb about them from my new & improved web page:

native american flute and percussion complement acoustic 6- and 12-string
guitars to create the full, uplifting sound of "hawk." cd available through
holographic records.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------------------
-- cincinnatians, acumen is (are?) playing at club gotham this saturday with
heavy weather, and on the 19th at sudsy malone's.

-- lorie d

hi folks,
just returned from watching seattle reign vs. atlanta glory - women's
professional basketball - and what song should come over the
loudspeakers as the fans are exiting but 'closer to fine'!!! i won't
mention the pitiable margin by which seattle lost; other than that there
was some great ball playing and great taste in music - a couple thousand
people exposed to ctf in one fell swoop.

kathy

disney movie for the girls to star in: the parent trap. there would need
to be a plot twist though, where one of the identical twins had plastic
surgery & permanently dyed hair. but then how do they figure out that
they're really twins... hmmmm.
kathy

hey y'all

i'm studying away here for my next to last ever final (woo hoo, i'm
graduating and out of here.) and i've just got to vent a little on just
how dumb this class is.

it's a class on communication in the media, and here's some of the
jewels of wisdom that i'm finding in my notes.

-people carry lighters not so they can light cigarettes, but so they
can master fire at will.

-women are attraced to men as a way of replacing their own "lost
penises" (i can't figure out how that works...)

-all popular music is created by the market. creativity on the part of
the artist has nothing to do with it. (hmm wonder what a&e say to this
one, and wow, there is some very slim igc in here)

so here's what i wan't y'all to do. if you have a prof who's as
clueless as this one is, email me and tell me about it, i'll feel
better.

and i finally get to say this!

..i spent 4.5 years prostrate to the higher mind
got my paper and i was free!!!! (5 days and counting.)

-justin

>> #2: susie: did you know they already have a web page about nff'97?
>>the dates
>>are already set.
>
>where is the page?
>
>anna

i'm sorry everyone! i should have included the address. here it is:
http://www.newportfolk.com/index.html

now, when you get there, just click on "schedule" and you'll see a one
pager about the festival, complete with a great aerial shot of fort adams
state park with a sea of nff'96 people!  this really gives you a feel for
what the festival is like.   hey, can you see me?  i'm the one on the right
side near the water wishing i had come earlier so i could be "closer to
(the) fine (singers).  see?  i'm waving... no, i'm the one with the $16
tie-died ben and jerry's tank top, 'cuz i was hot and it was the cheapest
one available for sale.  (it was either that or go naked...and that
would've scared everyone away....hey, maybe i could've gotten better
seats?...hmmmm...)  ;o)

have a good day everyone!

joni :o)

hey--i'm with elizabeth! i think snow white would be great, especially since we could be dwarfs! i wanna be dopey or sleepy! so i'm a little tall to be a dwarf......they could use special camera angles to film me....

a quick story....you remember my boston driver ditty yesterday?...well...

i'm driving into work today listening to telluride (it's great being a
branch!  i get to listen first!  whoo hoo!  btw...david wilcox and kristen
hall join ig on a few tracks...it's really great...now, back to our
regularly scheduled programming...)  so i'm driving, and this guy in front
of me slowly stretches his arm out of the drivers window.  i say to myself
"oh, i hate it when people throw their cigarette butts out the window."
but no cigarette butt left his hand....curious....  so then i say to myself
"oh, wait, it's one of those macho man things...you know, guys like to hang
their arms out of the windows...oooh, i hate that...."  then all of a
sudden, he slamms on the brakes...i'm stunned...i'm thinking "what the hell
are you doing buddy?"  it was then that i realized he was signaling for a
left-hand turn.

please - do not use hand signals in boston - you'll only frighten us!

i feel better now....heart is slowing down a bit....have a slow day....

joni :o)

hey guys and gals!

i am going to be bold and suggest that instead of discussing amy and emily
very private holiday plans, we talk about the music.

so here is my thesis: amy seems to be mellowing a bit with age.

my evidence: chiapas bound and hey kind friend.  it seems to me that none of
amy's other officially released songs are nearly as melancholy as these.
even her sadder songs in the past have always had a feel of strength and
defiance.  these new ones, especially chiapas bound imo, have a much more
worn-down feeling.  like she might be getting a bit more weary of this world.

so what do you all think???

oh, and if i were ever in a room with ani and had a chance to talk, i would
ask her the following question:

"would you recommend leaving everywhere that you have ever been?"

(the first guy that gets that one gets a wedding proposal. :)

whatever,

:dwayne

djarrell@ix.netcom.com
"i don't know what you saw,
i want someone who can see me" - dar williams, "as cool as i am"

okay, i am desperately seeking help.  since my exams are officially over, i
am trying to fill my hours by creating a web page.  but i can't seem to get
the background up and i also am losing all my tabs and bolds that i put in on
word perfect.  i am hoping someone out there-- especially a fellow aol
person-- can offer me some suggestions.

also, i was wondering if i was going to be the only one with access to a
computer and the list over the holidays. if so, i will miss all of you.
i've enjoyed all the mail and indigo girl info. hope some of you are
sticking around with me.

please e-mail me privately with any help at micfiles@aol.com
my website at this time is http://members.aol.com/micfiles
then you can see my directory...
thanks in advance for anyone who has time to help me!!!!

"how long till my soul gets it right? can any human being ever reach that
kind of light?" --emily

on thu, 12 dec 1996, mark anthony donajkowski wrote:

> id like to see the girrls do a non disney movie i think they would be
> great for thelma and louise and have the one person be a girl instead of a
> guy
>

what "one person" would that be? weren't they both girls to begin with?
please tell me they were both girls, kim in powell river, carolyn in
seattle? they were both girls right? thelma, louise...girls.

peace, kim, north van who cannot sleep because, weren't they both girls?

> what "one person" would that be? weren't they both girls to begin with?
> please tell me they were both girls, kim in powell river, carolyn in
> seattle? they were both girls right? thelma, louise...girls.
>
> peace, kim, north van who cannot sleep because, weren't they both girls?
>
yes kim they were both girls but one of them slept wiht brad pit and they
both had husbands or boyfriends my suggestion was to turn it around make
them lesbians hvae a and e play the main roles instead of brad pitt the
one would sleep with another female etc etc ad infinium

hey all you procrastinators who are born in november and want a telluride
boot but haven't e-mailed me yet:

i am your branch (i feel honored). :) however, this branch is migrating
from school here in indiana (where i have e-mail) home to michigan (where i
don't have e-mail) on dec. 17 (this is also when i'm signing off the list.
saddness. but i don't have room for the 1500 messages i would have in my
box when i came back from break).

if you want a boot and haven't e-mailed me yet: please do it by dec. 16!
otherwise i won't get your message till mid-january when i come back. and
that would be a catastrophe, don't you agree? :)

to all you who have written me, thank you and i will be prompt in sending
them back to you. i'm getting my wisdom teeth taken out over break (all
four and they're all impacted!) and will have plenty of time to dub boots.

joanne
        "twelve monkeys! it's from twelve monkeys!"
                - my friend crissa who won free movie passes by
                recognizing a scene from twelve monkeys and had
                her name said on the radio!

hey--i hate "is anyone out there?" messages but am distrubed at not
having gotten any email since 3 this morning. if y'all have been chatting
it up, would someone please email me and let me know?
thankyouthankyouthankyou :)

jenn. brown

does anyone have the tabs for the songs off of color me grey. my kitten
wants me to play them for him :*)

thanks
pj and daemon

so i'm hanging out at the campus police station just a little while ago,
waiting to get my new student id (it disappeared for the second time this
semester into the black hole in my room) when i idly pick up the cd displayed
on the counter, a benefit for the campus police by one of the multitude of
campus a capella groups, blue notes. and lo and behold, what song on the set
list catches my eye but _least complicated_. of course, i blow the grocery
money on the cd just for this. hey, food or ig covers...easy choice. :-d

also, in sync, one of the even larger multitude of a capella groups at
brandeis university, recorded _galileo_ on their new cd, whose title escapes
me.

i'll tape the least complicated cover for anyone who wants it. it's, er,
*interesting* (no, actually, it's pretty good--someone in my russian class
does a solo on it, so i have to say that :-|#))
kirsten

--
kirsten chevalier kirsten@spike.wellesley.edu | often in error, never in doubt
"if questions make the holy penis unhappy, who could survive what answers might
do?"--andrea dworkin | http://wilbur.wellesley.edu/n-z/t1kchevalier/t1kchevalier.html

hey ! i was checking out an old issue of my new
favorite 'zine [the dead jackie susan quarterly]...
and look what i ran across !!! either you will find it amusing :)
......or you will be deeply offended ~ >: (
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
ultra pc hags we can't stand

admirers of the following are way too cultlike and conformist to be any fun
in
^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^
bed. not that egalitarian and vanilla are necessarily bad things, they just
lack the fire and spontaneity we crave.

gloria steinem
robin morgan
catherine mackinnon
andrea dworkin
tracy chapman
indigo girls
^^^^^^^^^^^^
donna minkowitz
murphy brown
naomi wolf
jan claussen
bonnie zimmerman
debbie allen
kate clinton
joan baez
holly near
meryl streep
susan sontag
celine dion
>>

cultlike and conformist ? what could they possibly mean by that ?????
oh well...we love our sisters, the vicious evil little queens :)
they make life so much more *spicey* }:)
love !
binky
(striving to be surly and caustic yet fuzzy and sweet at the same time ;)

" lately i am feeling trollish and have changed my name from
crumpet to blisters. blisters - i think it's cute."

(david sedaris, "the santaland diaries")

hey all...
last night i dreamed i was at an ig concert...they started singing
tangled up in blue, but they were doing it in a different style than on
curfews - hard to explain...what is even harder to explain is the fact
that they were decked out in lime green sequined tuxedos, complete with
matching bowler hats (not like a hat worn by someone who is bowling -
you know they have a small brim and they're rounded on top), and if that
weren't enough, they had a whole chorus line of identically clad people
around them (except they were wearing top hats). anyway i was thinking
boy, their shows sure have come along way from two people and two
guitars, and i was trying to decide whether i liked the show or not.
then a & e took their hats off and were getting so into the music and
were acting so funny (not in a weird way - in a good way), and they just
looked so darn cute up there, i decided i had to like it!
must have been something i ate...
carrie

okay, ever since i joined this list i've had this nagging question
gnawing at my brain...it pops up on the list from time to time, and i
keep hoping it will be explained or someone else will ask about it so it
doesn't have to be me, but now it has to be me because i can't stand it
anymore...will someone please email me privately and explain to me -
what is the deal with the grape-nuts references???!!! please end this
torture! thank you.
carrie
(who is wondering what to have for breakfast, and knows she will never
be able to eat grape-nuts again unless she discovers their significance)

okay guys!
        if there's anyone left who hasn't emailed me for directions.
please do so!  i'll check my mail at 6:30 and at 7:30.  if you live in the
vicinity and you're not planning on coming, you should!  i won't tell you
why, you just should.  also, there will be an ig sing along.  bring
yourself and plenty of good cheer.  we'll also be listening to the new cd
release of moaniin' malone's xmas album!

happy holidays,
allison

sorry y'all--just call me paranoid :)

jenn. brown

hi everyone,

i was doing my normal lurking in the shadows and i was wondering if the
girls are touring with a band  in may.  and if they are which do ya'll like
better - the girls with a band or without.  of course they are incredible
either way live but which do you prefer.  personally i like it when it is
just the two of them.  it seems more personal.  just a thought.  i hope
everyone has a happy indigo day.

stacey (who is happy that first semester finals end next week - stress)

stacey wrote:

> and if they are which do ya'll like
>better - the girls with a band or without.

well, i like them by themselves when they sing slow songs, but when they
rock, the band is essential. right?!?

later,
margot

someone recently posted about a telluride tape tree. did ig recently play
in telluride? (demo tour)?

please reply via private email.

chris

>also, i was wondering if i was going to be the only one with access to a
>computer and the list over the holidays. if so, i will miss all of you.
> i've enjoyed all the mail and indigo girl info. hope some of you are
>sticking around with me.

believe it or not, this list is not made up entirely of college students.
in fact, i would venture a guess that the majority of us are not college
students.  it's just that all the students are so vocal about their exams
and lack of money.  i would love to bitch about my job here, but i don't
think that is appropriate - that what friends are for.  :)

so although volume may decrease (which isn't necessarily a bad thing imho),
there will still be quite a few of us around during the holidays.

:dwayne, at work again.

i have to say that although i love amy and em when it's just them i
loooveee hearing them with jerry and sarah. it adds a lot more
dimension to the music. maybe i'm biased because i'm a musician who
can never find a drummer of bassist to play with but i have to say
that it you have them and they are good take advantage of the
intrumentation and go, go, go.

gwen

at 08:14 am 12/13/96 -0800, kim in north van wrote:

> they were both girls right? thelma, louise...girls.
uh... no kim... geena davis was actually a guy... amazing
what they can do with special effects these days...:-)
peace all... kim, who just now finally got to see tracy chapman perform one
o' her new songs... thanks to rosie o!!! ):-)
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
"don't tell me i'm burning the candle
at both ends... tell me where to get
more wax!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
-------<justkim>rcn@prcn.org----------
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>

what about babe?  is that a disney movie?  well, who cares, it's a good movie
anyway. i like it a lot.  it's good, it has a very nice message, not to
mention an adorable pig :)  but wouldn't amy make a cute babe?  and emily
could be...the mother dog?  or the horse maybe (pony!).  she might have fun
being the evil cat.  and those people who sing really high on "airplane"
could be the mice!  or else my sister and i could :)  and who could be the
cute goose?  gerard mchugh?  i like his voice.  anyways....
more ramblings from a stress-crazed mind...
tortillas on the floor!
katy the luther (not lutheran, luther!)
ps - by way of a short revival of mr. limes...when my family was on a car
trip (to georgia, in fact!) i was driving from richmond to the state line,
and i drove horribly until i stuck in 1200c, and my dad was listening to
"joking" and said "katy...are they singing that they're only choking?"  :)
tgif, y'all :)

kirsten wrote:
<snip> "campus a capella groups, blue notes. and lo and behold, what song
on the set list catches my eye but _least complicated_."

one of the penn a cappella groups, off the beat did an amazing cover of
"blood & fire"...thanks to audrey for dubbing it for me... :)

andi

              "you just have to let yourself go and not be
              worried about what other people are going to
        say or the things that might come out...just jump right
        in full force and be as silly and stupid and adolescent
             and introspective as you want to be."-amy ray.
       -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-

--- you wrote:
i idly pick up the cd displayed
on the counter, a benefit for the campus police by one of the multitude of
campus a capella groups, blue notes. and lo and behold, what song on the set
list catches my eye but _least complicated_.
--- end of quoted material ---

one of the 28,000 acappella groups here at dartmouth ( i swear, there are sooo
many acapella groups....a recent article in the college paper suggested that
being in an acapella group was a new requirement for grauation!) is called the
deci-belles, and does an awesome cover of "love will come to you"...i almost
like it better than the ig version (almost)

i'll probably throw it on the next ten or 60 boots i am dubbing for people.
maybe we (not me, but someone who is organized) should make a tape of all the
acapella versions of ig songs?

i'm thinking of doing my own acappella album entitled
"don't drop the soap! susan b marine and her fan club sing in the shower"

bwaaa!

susan

for those looking for an ig news list. i supscribe to the e-mail on the sony
home page at: http://www.sony.dreammedia.com/epiccenter/docs/artistupdate.qry?artistid=83
and got the response below. so, this may be the list your looking for.

trant

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ahhhh, now there's a good idea...
em doing gretel and amy doing hansel a la humperdinck's opera!
can't you just hear the dream pantomime? mmmmmmmmm...
and the whole opera would fit quite nicely with the girls' habit of
thinking they are playing a happy song and it turns out to be sad...
(like the quote i love off newport...right after winthrop, amy kinda sighs
and says, "man, that's a sad song...")
okay, fine, maybe not everyone else out there was raised on opera and
johnny cash...

on thu, 12 dec 1996 verdi@imap2.asu.edu wrote:

> i don't think there is a disney version of hansel and gretal out. but
> it would be a pretty cool flic. maybe we could convince emily and amy to
> write the music for it.
> ben( who just found out that the opera hansel und gretal is going to be
> in next years season.....heise mutter ich bin da)
>
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re: the party - jeni and i will bring our guitars and a practice amp. this
means that a gorgeous ovation acoustic will be there as well as an equally
gorgeous jackson electric. once again i shall remind that i have not been a
guitarist for several years and thus shall not be playing, but y'all are
welcome to play the ovation to your hearts content.

re: tonight - anyone needing to get in touch with either jeni or i before
the party good luck... errr... i mean, hee hee, email before about 4pm pst
tonight or you'll have to call and leave a message b/c after 4 we will be on
our way to the me-list prefunct, then at the concert 9th row whoo hooo, then
out boogieing (sp?) at the (probably) wildrose with some new friends, then
home to sleep. we may not check mail tomorrow before the party.

the party: we have to make an appearance at jeni's office's party (and its
free nummers food) then we'll sneak out and go to the pnw one. *binky* - i
am leaving you in charge of keeping the thing going until we get there.
karey, you are in charge of keeping binky on task. oh heck - we're also
going to have to do a "costume change" before arriving... dern....

kim in pr : you are really supposed to come to this party, you goon.

and i think that a & e need not do a movie, dis or no.... i'd never want
them to forget their day job, and they'd be wastin' good time that could be
spent writing tunes. :-)

and, personally, i was thinkin' that amy's writing has been sounding much
more "happy" and upbeat than her earlier stuff.  not necessarily the lyrics,
but the music and the way the words are sung (chickensorprano - what's the
word for that?).  shame, dgtgag (yes, down song, but i stand behind my
premise), and hey kind friend.  personally, i get more of a "happy" and
"contented" overall feeling from these than anything previous.  not so much
musical discord... if that is the correct term.

tracy <who is starting a collection of kirsten id cards.. muhahahahah>

no no no no no a thousand times no.

repeat after me: "the only way that a virus can spread via e-mail is if the
e-mail contains an executable program or a word document, i download, decode,
and decompress the file, it contains a virus, and i open it on my personal
computer. warnings that viruses can spread via plaintext email are bogus.
never ever ever spread virus alerts. remember, just because i read something
doesn't mean it's true."

kirsten

     "its for real. its an opportunistic self-replicating email virus
      which tricks its host into replicating it, sometimes adding as many
      as 200,000 copies at a go. it works by finding hosts with defective
      parsing apparatus which prevents them from understanding that a
      piece of email which says there is an email virus and then asking
      them to remail the message to all their friends is the virus
      itself."--clay shirky

i seem to be repeating myself. why o why do people just *refuse* to get a
clue??

>
> tracy <who is starting a collection of kirsten id cards.. muhahahahah>
>
fsck! so you have those two three-years-overdue library books, half my
expensive renewal batteries, my friendship-bracelet kit, my second computer
science assignment sheet from last spring, the address of my summer employer
who was supposed to write me a reference and never did, my brande-new purple
neck warmer, and the library-children's-room gerbil who escaped five years
ago and was never seen again?!
yet another useless post from kirsten

mixed company, an a cappela group from yale (i think) came to my high school
two years ago and did a really good cover of "ghost". i was rather impressed
when my music teacher commented on that song in particular.

sneaking out of lurkdom
west of bishes
shana(jak)

someone should sub the list to that<g>

on fri, 13 dec 1996, trant batey wrote:

> for those looking for an ig news list.  i supscribe to the e-mail on the sony
> home page at: http://www.sony.dreammedia.com/epiccenter/docs/artistupdate.qry?artistid=83
> and got the response below. so, this may be the list your looking for.
>
> trant
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on fri, 13 dec 1996, anna sophia escalada wrote:

> if anyone receives mail entitled:  penpal greetings!, please delete it
> >without reading it.  below is a little explanation of the message, and
> >what it would do to your pc, if you were to read the message.  if you
> >have any questions or concerns, please contact saf-ia info office on
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kstop  you cannot get a virus by just reading your email this is just the
good times virus hoax renamed

i know this is irrelevant (sp?), but i helped my mom pick out my christmas
present.....it's a beautiful black fender acoustic guitar...... i'm gonna
be asking for lots of advice/help.....

how does one order ig songbooks?

-rich benson (sbmfc charter member)
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i have run from the eyes of friends
i have run from the hands of kindness
i have run just because i can
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y'all!!!!! i'm going to die, here! i didn't know!!! i would have driven
the six hours!!!

>hey!
>who's planning on going to the atlanta party friday night?
>could our most gracious host please e-me with directions again?
>thanks and see ya' tomorrow night!
>~~robin
>

okay, well, some at least. sorry to set your hearts all a-jumping. :)
(how many of you have that little fluttery feeling goin' on right now?
that reaction upon reading it that "wow! you mean a & e are _really_ gonaa
come have dinner with me and go caroling and a private concert and all
that good stuff?" well...uh, sorry....not. :) )

anyway, here's the igc:
as i had dinner with some of my relatives over thanksgiving who are from
brewster (little town-thing in eastern washington-that's washington state
for those of you not from around here-), they mentioned driving through
winthrop. so what should i start humming in my head? yup, you've got it.
and then it occured to me: winthrop is in eastern washington, with no mass
bodies of water anywhere near. i even checked the map--pun intended! ha
ha-- just to make sure. yup, it is. so how could "fishermen complain about
the catch [and] talk about tides"?!? is there another winthrop somewhere
that the song was written for? if there is, i guess i can handle it....oh,
well. at least us pnw'ers have "hey kind friend".

and to the (newer than me) newbies: when i joined, the topic of the day
was llama flipping. never had i felt so instantly at home. :)

oh, bother....i was trying to be a bandwidth conservationist and post all
my recent ruminations in one post, but have forgotten them. phooey.

<back to lurkdom>
--stephanie (who is losing her mind from finals)

oh, yeah--on the solo song thread, isn't "romeo and juliet" sung solo by
amy? i know, i know, it's technically not an ig song, but still...

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at 10.54 13/12/96 +0800, you wrote:
>can anyone tell me what kind of guitars amy and emily play ?
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hi there!

very intresting thread, if we could call it a * thread *!!
i think a & e still love their martin acoustics; i saw in
their graceful hands j40 and j40 black (amy, of course), but also
d45 and d28 (maybe it was hd 28 or a similar model).
in boys on the side amy seems to play a small martin 12 strings,
but i'm not really sure. who has figured out the model? please email me.
amy also loves stratocasters... while i just can't figure out what
kind of electric guitar emily plays, i mean the red/orange one!
is that a gretsch or a guild, or what?!!
and what's the guitar amy plays on bobya cover? (breedlove? collings? santa
cruz?)
i'd love to get further information about ig guitars....

hey, how many of you out there can play a 6 strings?!

chiara, strumming.....

> so here is my thesis:  amy seems to be mellowing a bit with age.
>
> my evidence: chiapas bound and hey kind friend.  it seems to me that none of
> amy's other officially released songs are nearly as melancholy as these.
> even her sadder songs in the past have always had a feel of strength and
> defiance.  these new ones, especially chiapas bound imo, have a much more
> worn-down feeling.  like she might be getting a bit more weary of this world.

ok, i'll go for this one.
i agree. remember the days when amy sad was blood and fire, or romeo?
remember her standing on one foot, pounding on her black martin, with the
other foot wavering up and down in something resembling time to the
music, and _screaming_ into the mic? now we have a softer, bobbling up
and down to the time of hey kind friend with that little "hey-i'm-ok-cuz-
i've-seen-a-lot-but-i'm-gonna-be-ok-anyway" grin on her face, or quiet
tears after chiapas bound. hmm, wonder why our favorite songs are always
the ones that make amy cry.

folkisgruven,
lorindigo

>> so here is my thesis:  amy seems to be mellowing a bit with age.
>>
i don't really know what to say about this one.  i can see your point with
the songs being a little more mellow, but at the same time she still has
that good old amy attitude.  am i making any sense here? =)  lets face it,
she has been through a lot, wouldn't you be getting tired as well?  no
matter what she is still a powerful artist, tears or screams ... i'm not
picky!:)
peace yall...eveyone have a great night!!!
tucker

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because you'd cry your eyes out
if you didn't
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> -people carry lighters not so they can light cigarettes, but so they
> can master fire at will.

well, actually, i don't smoke, but i carry a lighter so i can light
other people's cigarettes. ;)

>
> -women are attraced to men as a way of replacing their own "lost
> penises" (i can't figure out how that works...)

ummmm, *cough, choke* yeah. sure. makes all the sense in the world.

>
> -all popular music is created by the market. creativity on the part of
> the artist has nothing to do with it. (hmm wonder what a&e say to this
> one, and wow, there is some very slim igc in here)

actually, in a way i might agree with this. "popular" music would be that
crap played on pop music stations, right? those radio stations _rarely_
play ig, michelle malone, dar williams, cheryl wheeler, caroline aiken,
melissa ferrick, patty larkin, billy pilgrim, shawn mullins, phil norman
(got one in there for ya, buddy!;)...etc etc, ad infinitum. all of these
artists, plus a bazillion others i'm not naming have honest to god
creativity and talent. but i don't hear them being played on pop stations
(possibly because i don't listen to the radio.) what _is_ being played on
pop radio? well, artists like...um, i don't know, i don't listen to the
radio, but i know it's a lot of no-talent crap (for the most part.) why
is that no-talent crap on the radio while bottomless wells of talent lie
practically untapped? marketing. popular demand. why do most of the
artists on the radio produce no-talent crap? popular demand, why else?
that, unfortunately, is what america wants to hear. sounds about right to me.

>
> so here's what i wan't y'all to do. if you have a prof who's as
> clueless as this one is, email me and tell me about it, i'll feel
> better.

well, i think we've all been there, but please tell me that you at least
made the attempt to disagree with your prof. too many people make the
mistake of thinking that if a prof says it, you must not be allowed to
disagree. quite the contrary. most profs (especially literature,
philosophy, and the like) are thrilled to have a student with the
presence of mind and the balls to put up a decent argument. don't sit
there and blindly write down what they're saying if you know it's drivel.
if it's drivel, say it's drivel.

enough pontificating,
folkisgruven,
lorindigo

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