lifeblood: listlogs: 1997-01c


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date:         tue, 14 jan 1997 00:00:50 -0600
reply-to:     "hsu amber r. batson" <arbatson@hsutx.edu>
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from:         "hsu amber r. batson" <arbatson@hsutx.edu>
subject:      texans (nigc)

hey, texans! why don't we jump on the bandwagon and have some kind of a
party too? e-mail me if you live in texas and give me your e-mail
address. include if you want a list of everyone who responds.

:) amber

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date:         tue, 14 jan 1997 01:58:33 -0500
reply-to:     wishmonstr@aol.com
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subject:      re: chords to 1-2-3, transcribed by jonas reitz

in a message dated 97-01-13 08:36:11 est, you write:

<< 1-2-3
indigo girls >>

i've got a little tip for the d(9).  it sounds good if you play d(9) xxx050
in the intro and verse, and then play it as xxx030 in the chorus.  just my
.02

=)

-elizabeth

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date:         tue, 14 jan 1997 17:56:17 +0900
reply-to:     sara mccutchen <sbeth@gol.com>
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from:         sara mccutchen <sbeth@gol.com>
subject:      covers, list parties, and freezing the tits off...

hello again, this is my second attempt at posting.  sorry for being so
dumb...anyhow, is anyone in agreement that we all think the ig can cover
just about anything?  i mean, this is getting outrageous (and yes, i admit,
i added to it early on...).  just thought i would share.

and i will ask again, as no one replied to the newbie before (except you,
anna)...will the gals play asia (ie--japan)??? any chance of a foreign tour
outside of europe?  geez, wally, that would be so neato!!

thanks for reading...
sbeth (as in sara beth)

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                                sara mccutchen
                             10-22-502 ikeda-cho
                        nishinomiya-shi, hyogo-ken 662
                                     japan
                                 sbeth@gol.com


                "let me die trying...if i fall at least my heart
                will have been true. let me die trying...i can't
                cry tomorrow if i do."   --kristen hall

                "we act empty and innocent, we are fueled by dis-
                tortions (i remember you when we were shiny and
                new) of lives led in discontent, trading misfor-
                tunes (now you guard your faith) cause faith is
                one thing that is hard to deliver (temper your
                speed).  it feels funny being free."  --amy ray
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date:         tue, 14 jan 1997 10:12:55 -0800
reply-to:     maror@teleco.upv.es
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from:         ferran nogueroles d'oliveira <maror@teleco.upv.es>
organization: universitat politecnica de valencia
subject:      'on the road the austin' comments

hi indigoland!!
-feelings on 'on the road to austin' video,

last friday we received the ig compilation video and we have seen
uncoutable times.i think that there are ig-listeers who deserve
a very big applause for their effort:(from here)plah,plah,..(sound
of the audience ovation).among those:for sunny & the others who compiled
it & for andrew who made possible the 'european connection'. well after
the agreements comes the analisys.this are things we would like to note:

-we love 'lincoln duncan' & 'for free' but we haven't found the lyrics
& we really know nothing about them: are they cover versions?
unreleased?
songs to be polished?

-the bmhawk video is really great (the first time we see an ig official
videoclip,we've only got "uptown lounge" in pal & with a lot of good
luck).
emily & amy show a lot of energy but: doesn't it seem a chapter of the
x-files?? (the fbi running, the old abandoned large building, the
blue & yellow tones,...)

-in the interview from arts & entertainment revue: don't they seem very
shy?? it seems almost like to schoolgirls patronized by their teacher
or so,.in the other interviews they seem much more natural...just
thinking.

well that's all... by now (we'll keep on the line)

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ferran nogueroles d'oliveira & monica soutto
universitat politecnica de valencia
valencia, the valencian land...still spain but not for so long
europe
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date:         tue, 14 jan 1997 09:56:38 +0000
reply-to:     indigo jo <mts5@aber.ac.uk>
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from:         indigo jo <mts5@aber.ac.uk>
subject:      chords to ballad of squeaky fromme, by adam schneider

#----------------------------------please note---------------------------------#
#this file is the author's own work and represents their interpretation of the #
#song. you may only use this file for private study, scholarship, or research. #
#------------------------------------------------------------------------------#


the ballad of squeaky fromme (amy ray)
--------------------------------------

the whole song is pretty much am c g d, with some variations, mostly by
taking your middle finger off and on various strings.  ("random 9's," i
call it.)  i think the intro is something like this:

  am      am(4)    c           c(9) g      g(9) d              d(9)
e 0-----0-0-0-0-0-|0-----0---0-0-0-|3-----3-3-3-2---|------2-2-0-0-0-|
b 1-----1-1-1-1-1-|1-----1---1-1-1-|0-----0-0-0-3---|------3-3-3-3-3-|
g 2-----2-2-2-2-2-|0-----0---0-0-0-|0-----0-0-0-2---|------2-2-2-2-2-|
d 2-----2-0-0-0-0-|2-----2---2-0-0-|0-----0-0-0-0---|----------0-0-0-|
a 0-----0-0-0-0-0-|3-----3---3-3-3-|2-----2-0-0-0---|----------0-0-0-|
e ----------------|3-----3---3-3-3-|3-----3-3-3-----|----------------|
  ^ . ^ . ^ . ^ .  ^ . ^ . ^ . ^ .  ^ . ^ . ^ . ^ .  ^ . ^ . ^ . ^ .

and something close to that goes through the whole song, except the
d usually falls more on the downbeat...


am  c  g  d
[intro]

am                    c       g                    d
  we're scared as hell 'cause squeaky's out of jail
      am                c               g             d
i can feel her close behind me like the devil on my heels
     am                    c            g           d
they say she's heading to california or maybe for dc
        am                     c      g               d
but i'm sittin' here down in georgia arguing with my family
am   g    c    d

the contras called a truce, but they broke it in an hour
now someone sittin' in the tower of babel is givin' them their power
well they stopped the war in bethlehem just to let sweet jesus pass
oh but how much does it really mean if they screw him over behind his back?

i can feel her closin' in, and i hope she understands
that society and me, now we aren't necessarily hand in hand
she's broken all her bonds, got no superficial cause
you know she gave up all her chances to live inside the law

now squeaky, peace on earth - will you tell me what it's worth?
from the inside out i'd let you in; you might understand
well now squeaky, in your mixed-up mind, you may not be so blind
from the inside out i'd let you in, you might understand

     am            c             g               d
that god is in my heart, but the devil's in our bones
    am      c  g  d             am   c       g             d
and squeaky,      you are not alone,   yeah, you are not alone
       am             c               g6              d(9)
gimme peace on earth, peace on earth, peace on earth, peace on earth
am             c               g6              d(9)
squeaky, gimme peace on earth, peace on earth, peace on earth
am              c               g6              d(9)
peace on earth, peace on earth, peace on earth, peace on earth
    am             c                            g
now squeaky, gimme peace on earth, and then you tell me what it's worth
(n.c.)
from the inside out i would let you in, i think that you might understand
(n.c.)
that a god is in my heart, but the devil, i said the devil's in our bones
    am      c    g
and squeaky,       you are not alone

- adam schneider, schneider@pobox.com

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date:         tue, 14 jan 1997 09:11:20 -0500
reply-to:     m gordon <hdtx97a@prodigy.com>
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from:         m gordon <hdtx97a@prodigy.com>
subject:      otrta & duncan

ferran n wrote...

>>>-we love 'lincoln duncan' & 'for free' but we haven't found the
lyrics & we really know nothing about them: are they cover versions?
unreleased? songs to be polished?<<<<

ok, let's settle something here.  first of all, the song is entitled,
"duncan" (not lincoln duncan); it was written by paul simon &, i
believe, was one of his first efforts after the professional breakup
(with art g).  i'm not sure what album it was first released on
("rymin simon" maybe?).

i do know that a great version is on the paul simon compilation/boxed
set.  this is a 3-cd set which is truly worthy.  while i am a big fan
of ar & ig, the ar version of this song does not match simon's
version.
this could be, in part attributed to his arrangements (minimal, but
beautiful) .  he is backed up by (my untrained guess):  sometype of
whistle/flute, mandolin and 1 or 2 guitars.  haunting & beautiful.

yes, i first heard this at camp... in the early 70's; i was about 12
a camp counselor played it & it was love at first listen.  i always
loved this song & didn't hear it again until the boxed set came out;
truly a joyful moment for me.  buy (or steal; oops, i mean "borrow"
it) now!

ok, i'll calm down now.

melissa

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date:         tue, 14 jan 1997 09:51:16 -0500
reply-to:     kim rhoades <secruss@psych1.psy.sunysb.edu>
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from:         kim rhoades <secruss@psych1.psy.sunysb.edu>
organization: suny at stony brook
subject:      poetry/ig songs

hey ya'll
with some posts about poetry i was reminded of something i heard a
long while ago
it's a quote from paul simon - i don't remember what the exact
question was but basically the person was comparing simon and
garfunkel's songs to poetry and paul simon said, "if you want to read
poetry, go read walt whitman."
i don't know...this kind of bothered me from then on because a lot of
the artists i listen to write songs full of irony, imagery, and
metaphors - so to me, it's like listening to poetry put to music
with ig, it's hard for me not to think of them as poets because their
lyrics are so incredibly moving...
i can understand paul simon's point of view - he wasn't a poet nor
was he trying to be one
but i still think it's kinda hard to separate the two sometimes,
especially with a&e
what do ya'll think?

kim

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date:         tue, 14 jan 1997 10:36:46 -0500
reply-to:     sprocket@scorequest.com
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from:         "georgy v. cohen" <sprocket@scorequest.com>
subject:      dr jack boozer

who is the dr jack boozer whose remarkable quote is cited in the liner
for nis? i love it so much.

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date:         tue, 14 jan 1997 11:02:50 est
reply-to:     kirsten chevalier <kirsten@spike.wellesley.edu>
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from:         kirsten chevalier <kirsten@spike.wellesley.edu>
subject:      lack of dar content (fwd)

flame away, folks...

forwarded message:
> from dar-list-approval@europe.std.com tue jan 14 10:48:42 1997
> x-authentication-warning: europe.std.com: daemon set sender to dar-list-approval using -f
> date: tue, 14 jan 1997 10:32:25 -0500
> from: shawn@xyvision.com (shawn linderman)
> message-id: <9701141532.aa00780@elmo.xyvision.com>
> to: dar-list@world.std.com
> subject: lack of dar content
> sender: dar-list-approval@world.std.com
> precedence: list
> reply-to: dar-list@europe.std.com
>
>
> matt, i gotta side with the other guy--you expressed more rage in your
> reaction than he did in his request for people to knock it off with the
> lesbian, lesbian, lesbian, lesbian, lesbian, lesbian, ... yammer.
>
> one of the things that really impresses me with this list is some of
> the very clever, if not downright brilliant, analyses of dar's songs,
> especially in terms of subtle metaphors and imagery. but over recent
> weeks, it really has turned into another "lesbian groupies of a female
> singer chat room", ala the indigo-girls list.
>
> dar isn't gay, so why are so many people on this list cramming its
> bandwidth on the topic? how about looking at how dar's music relates
> to all the other aspects of human existence. she's such a damned good
> songwriter, we'd be busy for the next hundred years analyzing,
> extrapolating, etc., etc.
>
> shawn
> d
>


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date:         tue, 14 jan 1997 11:48:03 est
reply-to:     kirsten chevalier <kirsten@spike.wellesley.edu>
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from:         kirsten chevalier <kirsten@spike.wellesley.edu>
subject:      cheryl wheeler mailing list? (nigc)

sorry to waste bandwidth, but does anyone know the subscription address for
the cheryl wheeler mailing list, if it exists? i heard about it, but a search
on liszt produced no results. please reply privately. tia.
kirsten


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date:         tue, 14 jan 1997 09:37:05 -0800
reply-to:     "amy j. putnam" <pegasus@crl.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "amy j. putnam" <pegasus@crl.com>
subject:      re: lack of dar content (fwd)
x-to:         kirsten chevalier <kirsten@spike.wellesley.edu>
in-reply-to:  <9701141602.aa07942@spike.wellesley.edu>

whoa here.  it is considered rather bad netiquette to post a
message from another list for the sole purpose of flaming the
writer of the other list's post.  shawn has had this same
go 'round on this list, and i have talked to him privatly.
he isnt going to change his mind.  and, we on the ig list have no
business being involved in a discussion on the dar list.
let's not create a lot of unnecessary negative energy, hm?

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pegasus@crl.com            \     /      when you're alone
monk@world.std.com          \   /
the original photo monk      \ /                --patty larkin

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date:         tue, 14 jan 1997 14:27:48 -0500
reply-to:     galileo <tbranham@richmond.edu>
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from:         galileo <tbranham@richmond.edu>
subject:      re: poetry/ig songs

- so to me, it's like listening to poetry put to music
>with ig, it's hard for me not to think of them as poets because their
>lyrics are so incredibly moving...


i would have to say that imho, songs are a form of poetry.  i always write a
poem first and then put it to music.  poems alone are a great source of
communication, literature, and life situations.  when they are added to
music the ability to relate seems to come more into focus.  ig songs are
indeed musical poetry, and some of the best there ever was or will be.
everyone is entitled to their own opinion, so i am not saying anyone is in
the wrong by stating that, "if you want to read poetry, go read walt
whitman."  i am saying that poetry is everywhere, in conversations, books,
novels, movies, and even the ig list :)!
well enough babbling for one post!
later for all of you crazy ig men and women!!!
i'm off to read plato!
tucker


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you have to laugh at yourself
because you'd cry your eyes out
if you didn't
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date:         tue, 14 jan 1997 16:59:55 -0500
reply-to:     stephen.zamon@utoronto.ca
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from:         stephen zamon <stephen.zamon@utoronto.ca>
subject:      help me please!

hey guys.  i'm doing a project on a poem called "the road not taken".
now, a lot of you have probably heard of it, but for those who haven't
it's about decision making, not conforming, and a journey.  well, at
least, that's my interpretation.  what we have to do in class is play
a song that has to do with the poem.  i'm not asking anyone to do my
project for me, but i'm really swamped with other work, and i know how
helpful you always are.  if anyone can think of songs (ig or
otherwise) having to do with these themes, could you please privately
e-mail me and i'll be eternally grateful?  thanks in advance.
-rebecca

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date:         tue, 14 jan 1997 15:58:28 -0500
reply-to:     "norris, bill" <wnorris@mail.slc.edu>
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from:         "norris, bill" <wnorris@mail.slc.edu>
subject:      seely, shawn mullins, covers (sigc)

alrighty....

any of you hotlanta folk know anything about a band called seely?  they got
an intriguing write up here in nyc, and are playing with some noisy bands
i'm thinking of going to see...just curious.

found shawn mullins "big blue sky" floating in a second hand bin for three
bucks yesterday.  i haven't had the time to listen to the whole thing yet,
but i like what i've heard so far (and what in the name of creation is
kristen hall doing with herself these days?  i admit she let me down with
the horribly overproduced "be careful...", but i would like to see her live
sometime again.)

covers...let me see here...i think they'd do a pretty damn good job with any
neil young.  dbtr, cortez, and southern man all give off heat.  velvet
underground's "pale blue eyes" and "femme fatale" might be interesting.  the
lemonhead's "allison's starting to happen" with amy whaling on an electric.
ani's "diner," jim croce's "roller derby queen" for the pure camp value,
something by the muffs with emily doing the sweet vox and amy doing the
gritty stuff (maybe "everywhere i go"), rem's "superman," and zep's "when
the levy breaks" with amy on vox and em burying jimmy page on that big
ol'electric she sometimes pulls out...

husker du is a terrific band (if you like loud, rough edged electric music).
like the velevet underground, they're one of those bands that few people
knew of when they were around, but most everybody who liked them learned to
play and joined a band.  bob mould has, as been noted, gone on to do solo
work and also fronted a band called sugar (who did some very nice stuff).
he is also an out gay man who helped to pave the way for many of the current
"queercore" bands.  for some reason, it's always been refreshing to me that
mould would make no bones about his sexuality as a "harder" rock musician.

whatever.

peace,
bill


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date:         tue, 14 jan 1997 17:35:19 -0700
reply-to:     verdi@imap2.asu.edu
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from:         verdi@imap2.asu.edu
subject:      re: ig covers
x-to:         tony fraps <tonyfrapsiv@earthlink.net>
in-reply-to:  <199701140346.taa19751@iberia.it.earthlink.net>

i'll say it again....two words "comfortably numb":)
ben

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date:         tue, 14 jan 1997 13:19:29 -0800
reply-to:     mediancat <bbertiaux@spectrumctls.com>
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subject:      re: help me please!

on tue, 14 jan 1997, rebecca writes:

>hey guys.  i'm doing a project on a poem called "the road not taken".
>now, a lot of you have probably heard of it, but for those who haven't
>it's about decision making, not conforming, and a journey.  well, at
>least, that's my interpretation.  what we have to do in class is play
>a song that has to do with the poem.  i'm not asking anyone to do my
>project for me, but i'm really swamped with other work, and i know how
>helpful you always are.  if anyone can think of songs (ig or
>otherwise) having to do with these themes, could you please privately
>e-mail me and i'll be eternally grateful?  thanks in advance.

i took the liberty of printing this out, so those who don't know this poem
could participate if they wished.  the closest ig song that comes to mind
for me is the wood song.


        two roads diverged in a yellow wood
        and sorry i could not travel both
        and be one traveler, long i stood
        and looked down one as far as i could
        to where it bent in the undergrowth

        then took the other as just as fair
        and having perhaps the better claim
        because it was grassy and wanted wear
        though as for that, the passing there
        had worn them really about the same

        and both that morning equally lay
        in leaves no step had trodden black
        oh, i kept the first for another day!
        yet, knowing how way leads onto way
        i doubted if i should ever come back

        i shall be telling this with a sigh
        somewhere ages and ages hence
        two roads diverged in a wood
        and i took the one less traveled by
        and that has made all the difference

        -- robert frost, "the road not taken"


good luck,
betsy (who obviously doesn't have enough to do today)

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date:         tue, 14 jan 1997 16:28:02 -0500
reply-to:     funk boy <mce116@psu.edu>
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from:         funk boy <mce116@psu.edu>
subject:      re: bad aol service (nigc)

this is only for those who are fed up with aol's current "problems."  i had
to rely on aol all christmas break, and i too was very upset, after all
$20/month is alot for us college students.  i ended up calling their 1-800
number, which immediately plays a recording telling you that they are aware
of the problems and are fixing them.  i guess since they changed their
billing to unlimited access, they can't handle everybody who wants to log
on.  they are spending some obscene amount of money to fix it, but they
said it could be a few months.

sorry to use the list for this, but i thought all you aol'ers might want to
know, if you didn't already.

mike (who's very grateful for dorm internet access)

fingermarked skin, hurt to the bone
we don't understand
oh, my princess, answer please
i'll get the pencils
we'll draw ourselves a new world.

p. fitzgerald, kod.

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date:         tue, 14 jan 1997 19:16:32 -0600
reply-to:     jo and gary harney <jgharney@iquest.com>
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from:         jo and gary harney <jgharney@iquest.com>
subject:      soc website

could someone please remind me where the transcribed soc's got posted??
the web address i thought they were at doesn't seem to have them anymore.
thanks!
sue harney

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date:         tue, 14 jan 1997 16:36:37 -0500
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subject:      rosanne cash demo (nigc)

hello! =)
      i just wanted to make a little offer for those of you out there who
like rosanne cash.  i have some copies of her 4-song demo from the last
album.  they're cassette singles, basically, but with 4 songs.  unfortunately
i can't afford to send them all out or i'd just ask for addresses.  all i
need is an sase.  a regular envelope is fine.  i don't think i need to pad
them or anything, as there is no case to crack... just put 2 or three stamps
on an envelope and address it to yourself.  then toss it in an envelope and
send it to me. =)  i'll be glad to take to first 20 replies. =)  e-mail me
for my address.  peace, love, and happiness, sarah

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date:         tue, 14 jan 1997 21:01:48 -0500
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from:         mari green <dreamowolf@aol.com>
subject:      re: ig covers
x-to:         verdi@imap2.asu.edu

a few thoughts:  seven bridges road         eagles
                           revolution                       beatles
                           your're a part of me        glen frye
                             ("theme to thelma and louise")
                           this shirt                         mary chapin
carpenter
                           trees                               rush
                           dust in the wind              kansas
                           i've seen all good people  yes
                           silent legacy                    melissa etheridge

just my 2 cents:)
mari in corpus christi, tx

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date:         tue, 14 jan 1997 21:14:37 -0400
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subject:      re: help me please!

mostly nigc, but really interesting to some

hey, i recently studied this poem and i discovered some interesting
things about it that most people don't understand. so, here are my
comments: first of all, like stephen said, most people think that this
is a poem about taking the "road less traveled," or the different
approach or whatever. however, if this is the case, then how come in the
second stanza, it says,"then took the other just as fair and having
perhaps the better claim though as for that, the passing there had worn
them really about the same." it seems like there's not any difference
between the roads. the next line confirms this: "and both that morning
equally lay."
of course, people think that he took the road less traveled because
thats what it says in the last stanza, right? well, think about it. he
says that he will look back on this choice in the distant future and say
that he took the road less traveled. this doesnt mean that he will be
telling the truth when he says it. perhaps he will be embellishing his
life story and tricking the listener. this is what has apparently
happened since the general public believes today that the traveler in
this poem took the road less traveled when in fact, he just randomly
chose between two equal paths.
as for igc, this poem, i think, is very much like watershed, right? its
all about making decisions and the far-reaching consequences of those
decisions.
>         two roads diverged in a yellow wood
>         and sorry i could not travel both
>         and be one traveler, long i stood
>         and looked down one as far as i could
>         to where it bent in the undergrowth
>
>         then took the other as just as fair
>         and having perhaps the better claim
>         because it was grassy and wanted wear
>         though as for that, the passing there
>         had worn them really about the same
>
>         and both that morning equally lay
>         in leaves no step had trodden black
>         oh, i kept the first for another day!
>         yet, knowing how way leads onto way
>         i doubted if i should ever come back
>
>         i shall be telling this with a sigh
>         somewhere ages and ages hence
>         two roads diverged in a wood
>         and i took the one less traveled by
>         and that has made all the difference
>
>         -- robert frost, "the road not taken"

i'm just saying,
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date:         tue, 14 jan 1997 18:49:36 -0800
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subject:      hey southern californians!
x-to:         mediancat <bbertiaux@spectrumctls.com>
in-reply-to:  <v01100008af01374449e5@[199.174.41.67]>

i am wondering how many people on thje list live around the la area, and
if we could do one of those infamous list parties.  unfortunately i don't
have a suitable place of gathering as i live in a dorm, but the mere
prospect of getting together and singing ig songs with other people who
actually know the words and meaning is too tantalizing to resist.  anyone
interested?

wendell

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subject:      re: help me please!
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the first song that comes to my mind, ig or otherwise, regarding
decision-making, would be watershed. i mean, that's what the whole song is
about. but it's just a suggestion.
     -julie

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on tue, 14 jan 1997, stephen zamon wrote:

> hey guys.  i'm doing a project on a poem called "the road not taken".
> now, a lot of you have probably heard of it, but for those who haven't
> it's about decision making, not conforming, and a journey.  well, at
> least, that's my interpretation.  what we have to do in class is play
> a song that has to do with the poem.  i'm not asking anyone to do my
> project for me, but i'm really swamped with other work, and i know how
> helpful you always are.  if anyone can think of songs (ig or
> otherwise) having to do with these themes, could you please privately
> e-mail me and i'll be eternally grateful?  thanks in advance.
> -rebecca
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date:         tue, 14 jan 1997 21:04:48 -0600
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subject:      nigc: the road not taken

   sorry to waste bandwidth, but i couldn't resist commenting on frost's
"the road not taken."
   i did a research paper on it a while back, and i found it interesting
that frost himself found the uproar over his poem to be amusing.
   many scholars agree that the poem's speaker is an older man looking back
at his life some years later, and in hopes of justifying it, declares that
he took the fairer of the two paths when in fact the roads were "worn just
about the same." the sigh at the end of the poem is the speaker's regret
that he could not take both raods.
   we as human beings are always trying to justify our actions and ourselves
by strengthening the division between the black and white of life. the poem
expresses regret that a choice has to be made at all, becauses choices often
limit one's ability to explore life's many possibities, or roads.


way too bored,
margot

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date:         tue, 14 jan 1997 19:10:38 -0800
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i just wanted to add my .02 about this wonderful poem.. it was the poem
used at the funeral of a very dear friend of mine. to me the poem has
meaning for her life, which was exemplary in every way and ended too soon
at 18 years, and for her death, because another path was chosen for her.
she was killed by a drunk driver, but sometimes i think she was too
bright for this world. i wish every day she was still here, but perhaps
some people are born to be examples to others. maybe that's why i love the
indigo girls.. there is so much of the spiritual in their music, and of promise
unfulfilled and knowledge gained from the loss.
robert frost will always be one of my favorite poets.

emily

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date:         tue, 14 jan 1997 19:14:56 -0800
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subject:      the road not taken

i just wanted to add my .02 about this wonderful poem... it was
used at the funeral of a very dear friend of mine. to me the poem has
meaning for her life, which was exemplary in every way and ended too soon
at 18 years, and for her death, because another path was chosen for her.
she was killed by a drunk driver, but sometimes i think she was too
bright for this world. i wish every day she was still here, but perhaps
some people are born to be examples to others. maybe that's why i love the
indigo girls.. there is so much of the spiritual in their music, and of promise
unfulfilled and knowledge gained from the loss.
robert frost will always be one of my favorite poets.

emily

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date:         tue, 14 jan 1997 22:24:47 -0500
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subject:      lift (the band, not the verb) sigc

hey y'all!

just a quick note to plug a fnarking fantastic atlanta band (thanks to susan
b. for the adjective) - lift. here's the igc right up front for all you
digest folks - we've heard they're going to be opening for ig on at least
part of the '97 touring extravaganza.

we heard them on new year's eve at rdr, and they're really great live! their
cd, stellar, is available through rainy day. it's really good - we know
because it helps us get through the damn day at work (ick ick ick) and
here's rainy day's 800 number, so you have no excuse whatsoever to not get
this cd right away!

1-800-636-6166

their new album will be coming out on daemon, and we'd describe their music,
but would do it no justice! so you'll just have to take our word for it.
thanks for listening - we now return you to your regularly scheduled ig-list
fun!

peace, love and live music every night here in nirvana!

susan and jocelyn

"this reminds me of a time when i didn't know you were so innocent" - molly
bancroft (lift)

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date:         tue, 14 jan 1997 16:02:03 -0800
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from:         karey weisman eals <karey@u.washington.edu>
subject:      nigc bdays

january 14
bwhite@lenin.cc.rochester.edu (brendan white)
happy birthday, brendan!!
and i search for insight to battle love's blindness
straight from the milk of human kindness
a safe place for all the pieces that shatter,
learn to pretend there's more than love that matters

kirchner@stolaf.edu (amy m. kirchner)
happy birthday, amy!!
the queen who closed the door, the family that lied
the people who turned, the captain has died
the boy that o.d.'d, the girl with a gun
the world on its knees and a band on the run....


have an indigo year!
love,
the bg

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date:         tue, 14 jan 1997 22:38:04 +0000
reply-to:     jen lucero <jlucero@mail.monmouth.com>
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from:         jen lucero <jlucero@mail.monmouth.com>
subject:      re: (nigc) nj-pa-ny release party

        hi y'all,

        i apologize for wasting bandwidth without any specific igc...but i wanted
to see if there were any more residents (or temporary residents) in the new
jersey area who are interested in a release party at me locale...(this
would be the jersey shore near asbury park).
        those of you who already responded...i have you all written down and will
keep you updated...anyone else interested...let me know!!  once i get a few
more people interested...we can all discuss dates, times etc...

        once again, sorry for a the chatter...

        take it easy,

                jen


"just remember nothing is the end of the world,
     until the world comes to an end"  es

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date:         tue, 14 jan 1997 23:06:29 -0500
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subject:      duncan and amyrays pro-nouns

in a message dated 97-01-14 14:11:06 est, marvelous melissa wrote:
(about paul simons' "duncan")
<< this could be, in part attributed to his arrangements (minimal, but
beautiful) .  he is backed up by (my untrained guess):  sometype of
whistle/flute, mandolin and 1 or 2 guitars.  haunting & beautiful.
  >>

i think that album was one of his first collaborations with a
traditional south american band...i can't for the life of me
remember their names......any old geezers like me remember that ???
they were on snl with him once i believe. (las incas ??) (aw hell...)

i don't know the title but he is wearing a hooded coat with
some kind of fur trim (faux fur ????:) i used to have the songbook...
(in highschool) and duncan was one of the first songs i ever taught
myself how to play, but you know ... i allways felt awkward at the
part about the girl...but couldn't seem to bring myself to switch it to "boy"
i guess now i know why :)

this  is one reason why it was so cool to hear amyray sing it !!!
which brings me to something that i have
pondered at times i love that amyray is using pro-nouns in her
new stuff... the gender neutral stuff was okay ...it's great to
make a song that is interchaneable that way....but for some
reason  i find it really important to hear the  feminine pronoun in a
'handmade' song by a girl and not just a cover of a song by a boy
(however boss the boy song may be).
it's affirming and validating !!!!! and if i'm not mistaken i don't think
that
this alienates the straight folk at all....i don't think straight girls n'
boys
have been given enough credit in this respect...
am i talkin outah my butt here ? don't think so !!!!

as helpfull as ever.
your miss binky

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date:         tue, 14 jan 1997 23:45:34 est
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subject:      the road not taken

hi folks,

as to songs that might relate in some way to the road not taken,
"watershed" and "the wood song" come to mind first.  relevant (but not
maybe as much as the preceding two) also, might be kristen hall's "following
my compass."

peace and warm fuzzies,

joan :-d

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subject:      oops!  let's not forget kristian bush...

hi kiddies :)

ya know, upon returning from hotlanta after new year's i completely forgot
to mention one of the awesome artists that played at the now benefit at
eddie's attic - and this is pretty unforgiveable, considering he was one of
the better performers:  kristian bush of the group billy pilgrim.  i was
pleasantly reminded of him when i heard one of bp's songs today (emily
singing backup was a big tip-off) on our really cool aaa station here in nashville
(the same cool station that played "secure youself" during the p.m. rush
today...the same station that plays an ig song almost every day)  three cheers
for wrlt-100's programming people - they have exquisite taste :)

peace and herb tea, (celestial seasoning's "red zinger" is my flavor of choice
this evening:)

joan :-d

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date:         wed, 15 jan 1997 00:28:10 -0500
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subject:      atlanta pride 1996 (nigc)

hey all...  i was just wondering if any of you that attended last summer's
atlanta pride festival could help me --  i'm trying to find out a little more
info. on an artist who performed on sunday, 5/4. her name was celeste, and
she was from argentina. she rocked, and i'd really like to get my hands on
anything she's recorded... but at this point, i don't even know if she has
any recordings. anyway, if anyone has info. on celeste's music, i'd really
appreciate it if you could pass it on.

thanks!
lisa

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date:         wed, 15 jan 1997 01:03:44 -0500
reply-to:     butterfly mcqueen <eehong@wesleyan.edu>
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subject:      auction: indigo girls *limited* edition of 1200 curfews (live
              double cd)

indigo girls
1200 curfews

official live recordings

(1995, epic records)

numbered limited edition (less than 1000 made, i think) with *awesome*
packaging: it's a booklet style package with pouches for the cds.  the
outside cover is made of wood and cardboard and bound together with metal
screw/bolt-type thingies.  inside are various photos, artwork, and song
notes on *nice* paper; and there's a pick attached to the last page!
everything is very nicely put together.

2 cds, total running time 141:56

track listing:

disc 1
1. joking
2. least complicated
3. thin line
4. river
5. strange fire
6. power of two
7. pushing the needle too far
8. virginia woolfe
9. jonas & ezekiel
10. tangled up in blue
11. world falls
12. bury my heart at wounded knee
13. ghost
14. dead man's hill

disc 2
1. i don't wanna know
2. galileo
3. down by the river
4. love's recovery
5. land of canaan
6. mystery
7. this train revised
8. back together again
9. language or the kiss
10. chickenman
11. midnight train to georgia
12. closer to fine
13. bury my heart at wounded knee (studio version)

i had two copies of this and sold one; i'm selling the other one to get
myself out of a yucky financial hole.  it's slightly used, but you can
hardly tell.  i've listened to it maybe twice.  let's say, near-mint condition.

terms of auction

-> minimum bid $25 (postage not included, negotiated afterwards)

this will be a three-stage auction, meaning there will be two updates on the
highest bid ("going once, going twice, sold!").  these two updates, and the
final announcement, will be sent on the three following mondays (1/20, 1/27,
2/3) to involved parties privately.  auction ends on sunday at 11:59 pm est.
highest bidder wins (duh).  *please* don't bid an amount you know you won't
be able to pay.  bids must be integers (increments of $1).  shipping is
separate and will be negotiated with the winner afterwards.

once your bid is submitted, you will be given a unique identification code
(like, say, "a" or "b" or maybe even "c") and updates will be given in the
format [highest bidder's code, corresponding bid].

send bids/inquiries with the given subject line to me at <eehong@wesleyan.edu>.
thanks a lot, guys.  i hate to come off as greedy collektorskum, but i
really need the money right now.  i appreciate your interest.

; ed

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date:         tue, 14 jan 1997 22:08:17 -0800
reply-to:     strange brew <shafer@kingsnet.com>
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subject:      re: amyrays pro-nouns

hi all...

first of all, i am not "strange brew" contrary to the above.
i was wondering if someone was going to comment on amy's switch from
general to specific pronouns.  one the things i found intriguing about
ig when i first heard them so many years ago was the fact that (on their
major record label releases anyway), their songs were all non-specific
with respect to gender.  then i heard amy say once (on the latul video,
i think) that they tried to make their lyrics as universal as possible,
so i attributed it mainly to that.  i thought it was pretty cool idea.
when i heard the stuff that will be on the new album, i was surprised to
hear amy be specific, but i think that's cool, too.  binky wrote that
she didn't think straight people would be aliennated by the change... i
(for one) agree.  i think it's a brave, great, honest (i do not mean to
suggest that she was being dishonest before, you understand), liberating
step forward, and anyone who has a problem with a great song just
because there is no question that it is being sung by a woman to or
about a woman... well, that's just a shame.  nuthin' but pity for folks
like that - they're really missing out.
take it easy
carrie

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subject:      road less traveled

how about this....

the road less traveled is a more positive way of looking at a
comparable scenario to "language or the kiss"?

anyone? anyone?

melissa

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subject:      nigc: sundara, please read...

hey sundara... could you please send me some email?  i need your new
address, and susan wasn't feeling cooperative or something, she forgot to
give it to me... (jk, cute sus).  write me soon...

corinne
sorry for wasting space, sort of.

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subject:      epic site updated (again)

hi all...
okay, don't get too excited... they didn't put the video clips back
(yet), but they did put the information back about the tracks from the
new album and the stuff about the photo shoots.
http://www.sony.dreammedia.com/epiccenter/docs/artistupdate.qry?artistid=83
take it easy
carrie

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> i'll say it again....two words "comfortably numb":)
> ben
>

ladies and gentlemen

        we have a winner !!!

;-)

jules

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on tue, 14 jan 1997, jo and gary harney wrote:

> could someone please remind me where the transcribed soc's got posted??
> the web address i thought they were at doesn't seem to have them anymore.
> thanks!
> sue harney

that was the indizone, which was a shame b/c it looked like it would
become a really great page.   i've got two of them on my web page though:

http://www.aber.ac.uk/~mts5/indigo/amysoc.html

enjoy!

mat

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subject:      chords for blood and fire, by adam schneider

#----------------------------------please note---------------------------------#
#this file is the author's own work and represents their interpretation of the #
#song. you may only use this file for private study, scholarship, or research. #
#------------------------------------------------------------------------------#


blood and fire (amy ray)
------------------------

[key of a, but actually in b, so capo up 2 frets]
[the chords are just guides; mix in a lot of (9) chords with these.  for
instance: in the intro, play the a for 5/8 of the measure and a(9) for
the last 3/8; same with the g.  the d is actually d-d(9)-d-d(9).  dsus
is used at the end of the verses, and asus at the end of choruses.]
[a=002220; a(9)=002200; asus=002230; d=x00232; d(9)=x00230; dsus=x00233;
g=320003; g(9)=300003 or 320203.]

a   g   d   d    a   g   d   d
[intro]

a               g                d            d
  well i have spent nights with matches and knives
        a               g         d      d
leaning over ledges only two flights up
             a             g      d                      d
cutting my heart, burning my soul, with nothing left to hold
        a             g     d     d
nothing left, but blood and fire
           a                       g              d                      d
you have spent nights thinking of me, missing my arms but you needed to leave
         a                g                d         d
leaving my cuts, leaving my burns, hoping i'd learn

g                d                         a                  a
  but blood and fire are too much for these restless arms to hold
        g           d                        a                  a
and my nights of desire, they're calling me here, back to your fold
        g            d                 a                    a
and i'm calling you, calling you, from ten thousand miles away
                  g                 d  a    a
won't you wet my fire with your love, babe

i am looking for someone who can take as much as i give
and'll give back as much as i need, y'know and they still have the will to live
'cause i am intense, i am in need, i am in pain, i am in love
but i feel forsaken, you know like the things i, i gave away

and blood and fire are too much for these restless arms to hold
and my nights of desire, they're calling me here, back to your fold
and i'm calling you, calling you, from ten thousand miles away
won't you wet my fire with your love, babe

i am intense, i'm in need, i'm in pain, i'm in love
i am intense, i am in need, i am in pain, i am in love
i am intense, i am in need, i am in pain, i am in love

and blood and fire are too much for these restless arms to hold
and my nights of desire, they're calling me here, back to your fold
and i'm calling you, calling you, from ten thousand miles away
won't you wet my fire with your love, babe
won't you wet my fire with your love, baby, hold me
          g              d                  a
e ------^-3------------^-2-------3-2-0--------------0------|
b ------/-3------------\-3-----3-------3----------2--------|
g ------\-0------------/-2-----2----------------2----------|
d ------/-0------------\-0-----0--------------2------------|
a ------\-2------------/-0-----0----------0-0--------------|
e ------/-3------------------------------------------------|
  wet my fire with your love

- adam schneider, schneider@pobox.com

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subject:      the road not taken

well, i have said this privately, and now i feel the need to say this publicly:

        asking if there are any songs by emily which deal with
        'decision making, not conforming, and a journey' is like
        asking if any of shakespeare's plays deal with love and death

i am hard-pressed to find an emily song which doesn't cover at least one of
these topics.

btw, my appreciation for frost was permanently colored by one friend's
comment in high school.  she didn't like frost because he was 'too
allegorical'.  and now i tend to agree - imagery is better than symbolism,
but that's how i learned to appreciate poetry from a wonderful hs english
teacher.

whatever,

:dwayne

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"here i sit in the land of plenty,
crying about my own virginity"   - amy ray (?)

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subject:      las cruces (combat) boots

hey there, tricks-are-for-kids

i still have about 10 tape liners for the las cruces boot...which means i
haven't filled my quota of copying, and i looooove to fill my quota. makes me
feel useful in an otherwise silly world.

so, if you want a copy, email me....it's a pehnomenal boot, very high quality
sound, minimal audience screeching and moaning, and amy talks a lot!

so write me! old-timer, newbie, whatever...

funky cold susanna

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> >hey guys.  i'm doing a project on a poem called "the road not taken".
> >now, a lot of you have probably heard of it, but for those who haven't
> >it's about decision making, not conforming, and a journey.

i think "the language or the kiss" is very much like "the road not taken",
because they are both about choosing one life over another.  to me they are
both about deciding to be an artist (musician and poet respectively) instead
of doing what people expect you to do.

trant

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subject:      re: amyrays pro-nouns

miss binky says:

>this  is one reason why it was so cool to hear amyray sing it !!!
>which brings me to something that i have
>pondered at times i love that amyray is using pro-nouns in her
>new stuff... the gender neutral stuff was okay ...it's great to
>make a song that is interchaneable that way....but for some
>reason  i find it really important to hear the  feminine pronoun in a
>'handmade' song by a girl and not just a cover of a song by a boy
>(however boss the boy song may be).
>it's affirming and validating !!!!!

i agree absolutely-- i don't really understand exactly why it's so
important, but it is to me too.

>and if i'm not mistaken i don't think that
>this alienates the straight folk at all....i don't think straight girls n'
>boys have been given enough credit in this respect...
>am i talkin outah my butt here ? don't think so !!!!

this is one of my biggest issues-- i think that we often underestimate
our straight friends. true, there seems to be a whole lot of loud public
opinion against us, i don't deny it. however, in day to day life more often
than not, i find the straight folk i meet to be ok with me and my lifestyle.
let's give 'em a little credit......

jo
jmelnik@lucent.com

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subject:      nigc : re: help me please!

> >now, a lot of you have probably heard of it, but for those who haven't
> >it's about decision making, not conforming, and a journey.

well i tried to think of one that had them all , but to no avail . here's
maybe a few:
rush - freewill
cranberries - free to decide
ozzy ozburne - i don't know
jayhawks - waiting for the sun
jimi hendrix - if 6 was 9
grateful dead - black muddy river
"  "      " "  - walk in the sunshine (actually on bob weirs' 'ace ')
although they aren't completely about what you ask , the do contain some
appropriate lyric or two...good luck...
sean

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subject:      two roads nigc/&pretty long

hey, listees,
     wow, i really love this thread about frost's poem and had to
respond.  like many folks, i started playing guitar specifically with
the intent of playing that d/dsus/d9, ching - chingching - ching -
chingching - chingching from ctf.  ha! that was my total goal in
learning to play.  fortunately, the guy who was teaching me didn't
know the song, so i actually learned to play the instrument a bit. :
)  so, anyway, this guy and i were very great friends for a long time
and then we kinda drifted apart and i was kinda pissed because he
always sorta acted like it was because i finished my professional
training and got a job and was busy and he had somehow stayed true to
himself - or something like that.  grrrrr, it still pisses me off to
lose such a great friend because of some projected socioeconomic
illusion.
     anyway, one of the first songs i wrote was a reflection on this
poem and on our relationship.  i remember that this poem was posted
on a bulletin board, somewhere, almost my entire six years of high
school.  (joke)  so, yeah, i remember smuggly reflecting that, yes, i
*had* taken the road less travelled.  then, i realized that
*everyone* who looks at that poem probably has the same smug sense of
satisfaction.  at first i felt kinda silly, but then i was really
intrigued with the power of frost's poem.  pretty cool.  and, this
poem has travelled a rather long way with me.  so, here goes:

two roads

two roads,
two roads diverge into a wood, it seems.
and you,
you say you took the one less travelled on.

two roads,
two roads into a wood diverge, its true.
and i,
i took them both.
i took them both.

i have found
it makes no difference.

two stories,
two stories high.
high as kites we fly.
and you,
you say you took it all in stride.

two years,
two pilots on a winding ride.
and two potions then,
offerings of a flowering mountainside.
and i,
i took them both.
i took them both.

and this is what i saw then,
it makes no difference, my friend,
upon which trip you're bound.
if they both bring you round.
they both brought us here.
they brought us both out here.
at least, they both make it this far.

two roads,
two roads diverge into a wood, it would appear.
and you,
you still believe you took the one less travelled on.

(don't we all)

two roads,
two roads into the wood diverge, i know.
and i
i took them both.
i've walked them both.

and this is what i found there.
it makes no difference, my dear,
upon which road you're bound.
they'll both bring you round.
they both brought us here.
they brought us both out here.
at least we both made it this far.

two roads,
two stories, high.
two roads,
and i,
i took them both.

man, i haven't looked at this in a while.  remember, though, *it's a
song.*  i, like paul simon, am not a poet - well, not that i'm *like*
paul simon or anything....errr, you get the picture.  so anyway, the
song's in dmaj  with a simple   i,i, iv       i,i,ii,iv   chord
progression.  then, ii,v,i between the verses.    the chorus is vi,
(ii,v,i), vi, ii, v,i, iv (ii,v,i)  then i,ii,iv   i,ii,iv.   ouch!
that doesn't make much sense written out, does it?  hey, it was my
first song!  i, like, looked up the most common chord progressions
from some book and then wrote around it.  : )
remember                peace                      maureen

____
remember           peace             maureen

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subject:      pronouns

all people,
i'm straight, and i think the thing of ig using specific pronouns now is
one of the coolest things they've done.  "tangled up in blue" is
probably my favorite cover of theirs and it's all about a woman.  for
them to not use specific pronouns was cool, because i think they weren't
trying to invalidate who they were, they were just wanting to be
universal, as someone said.
run-on sentences are cool, by the way.
anyway, back to the topic.  it's all about love, and everyone can relate
to that no matter the pronoun!
just some post-graduate bored thoughts.
-beth

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how about fleetwood mac / stevie nicks  landslide

fit the bill ??

jules

        when you learn to love yourself
        you will dissolve all the stones that are cast ..
                                                amy ray

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subject:      re: pronouns

in a message dated 97-01-15 11:00:41 est, beth writes:

<< run-on sentences are cool, by the way.>>>

run-on sentences rule !!!!!

<<anyway, back to the topic.  it's all about love, and everyone can relate
to that no matter the pronoun! >>

yeah that's right !!!! all that crap about ...you can't use gender specific
pronouns in songs if you are gay because straight people will freakout
and 90% of the population wont want to hear the song...is just that...a
bunch of crap.... it's an antiquated notion...and look who's on the cutting
edge....our miss amy :)  (woo hoo !!!)
if "don't give that girl a gun", "chiapas bound" and "shame on you"
(soy to a lesser extent, i think, because the line could be interpeted
in different ways...and the gender specific line is not a central
theme of the song)....
are released as a singles...even if they don't become top 10 hits
it will, i believe, be a historical moment in popular american music.
that's pretty cool.
(okay...elton john had "daniel"  but i don't think that quite fit's into
'gender specific in a romantic theme' category...it's too ambiguous)

also : when ar sings "she" instead of "you" she changes the dynamics
of the song from being a dialogue with the subject of the song
to a dialogue with the listener which makes it more intimate in a way.
rather that 'evesdropping' on the singer who is pouring her heart
out to a lost lover, the listener is pouring their heart out to the listener
about her feelings and experiences.

(can i get 'credit' at evergreen for this ????:):):)

peaceandlove !
binky
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
copernicus shmernicus...everything i know is wrong...ahhhhhhh :)
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subject:      those pronouns

in response to what miss binky has said about pronouns, i would like say
that i've always found it intriguing that there was virtually no reference
to gender in any ig song.   i wasn't sure and am still not sure what to
make of it  (ok, "i've been looking... for a girl...." is about it!).

sure it occurred to me that they were trying to reach as many people as
possible, so they carefully crafted these songs without the use of
alienating gender identification.  but it also occurred to me, that using
"she" and "her" would have outed them big time, and thus potentially
alienating themselves from the general public and the music industry. (yes
i know they considered themselves "out", but the first i heard anything
concrete was in the interview in people magazine a couple of years ago)   i
certainly wouldn't blame them for being low-key about their sexuality until
they were "bigger".  and now that they have more respect in the industry,
they can loosen up, and be more forthright.  imho (and that's all it is),
it seems melissa etheridge did this.

i'm curious, do you think a&e write to "an" audience, or write to and for
themselves.  if you write to and for yourself, would you omit gender
identification naturally?  i guess it depends on your natural thought
processes. if you were writing to a specific audience, wouldn't you try to
accommodate their perception of reality as general as it might have to be.
the danger of trying to please everyone else is that you rarely please
yourself in the end. and the people you were aiming to please don't even
realize you were doing it!!  (oooohh, read "the fountainhead")   i'll bet
there are many straight people (probably not on this list though) that
never even noticed the lack of gender, but that many gay people tuned in to
it immediately.

i hope this didn't come across as somehow slamming a&e.  i was just
thinking out loud (well, on a keyboard).   all i know, is that its nice to
have some of the songs validating in that way. (tangled up in blue is
awesome, but just wasn't enough)

ok, now i'm worried that i'll start one of those gay/straight/gender
flame-a-thons (hopefully not)!   but you can flame me privately (but i'm
warning you, i'll probably like it;)


betsy

____________________________________________________________
/\_/\   i saw a median on the highway, and there's a cat
{ o.o }  trying to to cross the road, and i think,
> ^ <   pick up the cat, put it in the car and take it home.
/     \                                              a.  ray

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does anyone know a phone #, e-mail, fax #, or address that is the proper
contact for scheduling the indigo girls?
thank you in advance!!!!!!!

:),
lisa alice

lacholak@artsci.wustl.edu

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subject:      re: pronouns-i correct myself

in a message dated 97-01-15 12:02:08 est, i (memyselfandi)wrote:

<< if "don't give that girl a gun", "chiapas bound" and "shame on you"
(soy to a lesser extent, i think, because the line could be interpeted
in different ways...and the gender specific line is not a central
theme of the song)....
are released as a singles...even if they don't become top 10 hits
it will, i believe, be a historical moment in popular american music.
  that's pretty cool. >>

oh...wait...i think kd lang did that last year...so nevermind the
"historical' stuff....
but it's still cool ! (and ground breaking)

that's my thesis...and i'm stickin' with it :):):)

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date:         wed, 15 jan 1997 12:27:59 -0600
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subject:      re: pronouns

    ok. about the pronoun thing. i am straight, and i am all for ig using
gender specific pronouns. straight artists use them, so why should it be any
different for gay artists? the fact that it may make some people
uncomfortable only makes it more imperative for gender specific pronouns to
be used. besides, i would hate to think that any ig fan would feel alienated
simply because amy sings about women or emily sings about being gay. these
feelings need to bevoiced, and can be voiced without diminishing their
universal appeal, because love itself is universal, and it's a shame that
some people can't understand that.


i don't know if that came out right, but you get the idea,
margot

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subject:      re: those pronouns

mediancat wrote:
>   i'll bet
> there are many straight people (probably not on this list though) that
> never even noticed the lack of gender, but that many gay people tuned in to
> it immediately.
actually, im straight and on the list, and i must admit that i never
thoguht much about it until now. it hadnt occured to me that there was
some specific pattern of pronoun usage in the music. however, i remember
listening to dont give that girl a gun and thinking how perfectly i
identified with it. thats when i realized that when amy or emily used
the pronoun she, i actually identified with it more. so, i think that
using feminine pronouns like that actually helps straight males
identify, not just gay females.(maybe im just restating the obvious
here)
anywyas, i just thought id add my point of view to this discussion,
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subject:      pronouns

dont be so sure amy will keep the gender specific pronouns, she definitely
changed the entire meaning of "fugitive" from hearing it soundchecked a year
and a half before it was released to the public -- heck i think she changed
it after the 10 dollar tour.

peace
mike r.

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subject:      indigo coffee roasters

the place exists in northampton mass. i got a coffee mug at a book/cafe at
home in maine, coffee is really good -- made me think of the line in
winthrop about deep black coffee nights. i never heard it mentioned before
now...
mike r.
ps the french vanilla was pretty good.

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subject:      amy and her wild pro-nouns

i'd actually been thinking about this lately.  the other day i had been
talking to this girl in my english class, and it turns out she's a self
proclaimed 'ig freak,' so we got to talking.  she immediately started sucking
up to me when she found out i have bootlegs (it was sort of funny . . . all
of a sudden i was her best friend), and i told her that i really enjoyed
trying to build my collection 'cause some of the boots have new material on
them.  "you mean, songs i've never heard?!  can i hear them, do you think?"
i was just like, um, i guess.  then, i figured i'd wow her even more (it was
pathetic, i was having so much fun with her =) ) and showed her the paper
where i'd figured out 'it's alright.'  she starts reading and gets to the
part about 'if you hate me 'cause i'm different, you hate me 'cause i'm gay.'
and went balistic.  ("emily can't be gay!" she said "she writes such pretty
love songs!")  so, we get into this dicussion where i start going off about
amy's new use of pronouns while this girl sat there with her eyes bulging and
jaw hanging.  she then started in on how this was wrong and that the best
part about their music was that they could be singing to a guy or a girl and
it wasn't really 'gender-specific.'  she feared they would alienate fans and
people.  (like her, apparently)

well, i've had a few days of lying in bed (stoned on pain killers . . . i'm
never having surgery again, i swear it!) and listening to ig music to think
about that little exchange, and i thought of something.  a lot of their songs
wouldn't actually make as much sense being about guys.  like "i bought you
that ring."  i mean, yeah, you could buy a guy a ring, but it would make a
lot more sense to buy a woman a ring, right?  and in power of 2 "now we're
talking about a difficult thing and your eyes are getting wet."  that fits
better and makes more sense if it's a woman, wouldn't it?  there are a ton of
other, smaller, things for this, too - even in their earlier stuff.  maybe
i'm just digging for anything, but it seems to me that if you think about it,
they've actually sort of been 'out' in their music for a while, just not as
bluntly.  they've never said it in black and white before, but they've never
not said it, either.

just me and my .02

-elizabeth

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subject:      epic center

i think someone may have posted this, if so, sorry for the redundancy.
this is off the lame sony website:

amy and emily have just finished all the recording and are beginning to
"mix" the new record. we have a couple of video clips from the studio with
more info in the clips section. here are a few titles from songs recorded
for this project: " shed your skin", "hey kind friend", "everything in it's
own time", "don't give that girl a gun", "burn all the letters."
they were in nyc a couple of weekends ago doing a photo shoot with noted
photographer  mary ellen mark. (keep checking the site - behind the scenes
video from this shoot will be downloaded soon.) and they are bundling up
for another photo shoot in the snowy west next  week. this time, they're
working with kerri pickett, who shot for the cover of the benefit album
"honor," which the girls produced and contributed to last year.

still nothing to download.  and i have no idea what "...in the clips
section." means.

betsy

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subject:      re: indigo coffee roasters

hello to all in indigo land!

i live in northampton and played for indigo coffee roasters womens
softball league last summer, and hopefully this summer too.  we were
"team indigo", i would invoke the spirits of amy and emily to watch
over our games before play began, i would also always listen to ig
on the way to games for inspiration.  it worked okay for a while,
we were 8-10 for the season.  maybe amy and emily will come to a
game if they are in town touring this summer :)  (i can dream....)

take care and peace!

-deb

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subject:      elton john's daniel (nigc)

on wed, 15 jan 1997 12:01:55 -0500, binky (mmedido@aol.com) said:

>(okay...elton john had "daniel"  but i don't think that quite fit's into
>'gender specific in a romantic theme' category...it's too ambiguous)

ok, maybe i missed something here, but is it your opinion that the narrator
and daniel were lovers?  if so (again, i could be all wet here), i think
that's wrong.  i seem to remember elton talking about that song when he was
on the rosie o'donnell show, and i think he said they were
brothers...daniel was the older brother who went off to vietnam and came
back blind (hence the phrase "your eyes have died, but you've seen more
than i").  he went on to say that everyone always misinterpreted this song,
because the information that explained everything was in the last verse,
but because the song was so long, they had to cut out the last verse.
therefore, the real meaning behind the song was never known, except to the
writers (john/taupin)...until he explained it on the rosie show, of course.

sorry if i'm all messed up here with the discussion...i'm kinda skimming
since the digest version is soooo long....ok, going back to digest
lurkdom...


joni  :o)

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i agree completely!
julianna

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        "a lot of their songs wouldn't actually make as much sense being about
        guys.  like "i bought you that ring."  i mean, yeah, you could buy a guy
        a ring, but it would make a lot more sense to buy a woman a ring,
        right?"

        didn't emily buy the ring for her boyfriend in 6th grade, as she says in
        1200 curfews version of "least complicated"?

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subject:      re: help me please!
x-to:         stephen.zamon@utoronto.ca

how bout language or the kiss? i always felt like that was a song about
making a choice...actually i believe the last line is " the choice still is,
the language or the kiss" you can find this on 1200c, and i think (?) swamp
ophelia? i can never remember which songs are on which albums...if i think of
another one i'll letcha know, my brain is sortof in overload right now due to
my ap chem exam...uuuurrrghhhh....
julianna :)

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subject:      rings as gifts...

i'm not sure if anyone addressed this yet, but...

elizabeth wrote:

<<like "i bought you that ring."  i mean, yeah, you could buy a guy a ring,
but it would make a lot more sense to buy a woman a ring, right?>>

well, according to emily before lc on 1200c, "i was thinking about my, my
little boyfriend in 6th grade, danny. (laugh) he was so cute, & i went to
woolworth's, and i bought him a ring, with my allowance.  and uh, as soon
as i gave it to him, i knew that it, it wasn't the cool thing to do.  and
that was just the beginning of the rest of my life.  you have to laugh at
yourself because you'd cry your eyes out if you didn't."

yeah, so she did buy the ring for a guy.  that's pretty funny, actually,
that here's one song that was about a guy, yet it seems like the gift would
be more appreopriate for a woman! :)

andi

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from:         "susan b. marine" <susan.b.marine@dartmouth.edu>
subject:      whoa nellie...lc boot offer closed!

okay eager beavers! i'm maxed out on reuqests for the las cruces boot, so stop
mailing me please or my computer's gonna blow up!

those of you who have already mailed me...i'm getting back to you. keep your
drawers on.

betcher bottom dollar she's,
susan

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subject:      re: amy and her wild pro-nouns

elayna bittner wrote:
>
>         "a lot of their songs wouldn't actually make as much sense being about
>         guys.  like "i bought you that ring."  i mean, yeah, you could buy a guy
>         a ring, but it would make a lot more sense to buy a woman a ring,
>         right?"
>
>         didn't emily buy the ring for her boyfriend in 6th grade, as she says in
>         1200 curfews version of "least complicated"?
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hey all:

sorry i just had to throw my two cents in on this one.

why couldn't two men be buying rings for one another?  it happens all
the time.  to me it makes just as much sense as buying a ring for a
girl.

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  i wish i cxould be home for this one! but since i'll probably be here
for the "map" release how about an arizona party? i know there are at
least five of us out here so howz about it?
ben

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subject:      sigc:language or the kiss...chords

hey everybody,
well, on one of my self-proclaimed study breaks i decided i would figure out
the chords to lotk. hmm.....funny joke. i sat there for about an hour, trying
every chord known to man, movin my capo all over the place, and i think i
came close, but it just doesn't sound right. if anyone does know the chords,
please email me. i wrote down all the lyrics and spaced it out so that all ya
have to do is write the chords over top of the words, but i thought i'd
better not attach that in this message or i'd get flamed for sending a "big
file". which reminds me, have people around here been a little flame happy
lately? or is it just that people have been sending a lot of nigc lately? or
is it always like that around here and i just haven't noticed in the past 2
months ( yes, i know, i'm a newbie- but, i'm a newbie with a great boot
collection, hint-hint :) ). well, i guess that's just my $.02, probably more
like a penny.....
" oh the fear i've known, that i might reap the praise of strangers and end
up on my own...."
love, peace, and peanut butter ( hey- it's good!)
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subject:      re: amy and her wild pro-nouns
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that's pretty sad about the "ig freak" girl (guess we're using the term
"freak" loosly now, eh?) and getting all ferklempt about the girls being
gay. however, i would have to take exception to things like buying rings
for men and the crying thing...i think most of my close guy friends would
cry in a sitch like po2, and i've bought at least 2 rings for my fiance,
one his engagement gift/wedding ring, and he cries lots (enough that i
would include it in a song, if i were a songwriter)...the point isn't that
i know a few exceptions to the rule but that the people i know are enough
unlike typical macho jughead types that i don't miss a beat when talking
about them crying or being emotional, even sappy at times.  but still, i
guess i've always thought of ig songs as being about/for/to women, even
though i guess they weren't officially out until four or five years
ago...dunno exactly why i've always figured that, but i have.  anyway,
this pot looked like it needed 2 more pennies...
:)  mho as always!

>
> well, i've had a few days of lying in bed (stoned on pain killers . . . i'm
> never having surgery again, i swear it!) and listening to ig music to think
> about that little exchange, and i thought of something.  a lot of their songs
> wouldn't actually make as much sense being about guys.  like "i bought you
> that ring."  i mean, yeah, you could buy a guy a ring, but it would make a
> lot more sense to buy a woman a ring, right?  and in power of 2 "now we're
> talking about a difficult thing and your eyes are getting wet."  that fits
> better and makes more sense if it's a woman, wouldn't it?  there are a ton of
> other, smaller, things for this, too - even in their earlier stuff.  maybe
> i'm just digging for anything, but it seems to me that if you think about it,
> they've actually sort of been 'out' in their music for a while, just not as
> bluntly.  they've never said it in black and white before, but they've never
> not said it, either.
>
> just me and my .02
>
> -elizabeth
>
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subject:      odd cancer video branch!!

hello odd cancers...

thank you thank you thank you for your patience!  i am very happy to say
that:

some of the videos were mailed on monday, and the rest dubbed and packaged
and are going out tomorrow!  yea!  i appreciate everybody's patience.  if
you don't receive your videos in the next week, we will have to start
harrassing the post office.  again, thanks for being so cool.  e-mail if
there are any questions, etc.

peace,
kristen

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subject:      new tape tree- boston '90, charleston '89 and n. orleans '89

hi everyone,

carolyn was super cool and has bestowed some cool boots upon me, to spread
out to all.   they are special because they are one generation less than
they would have been, as they are her originals.  i want to start a tree
for:

the cat's cradle, chapel hill nc 8-11-89
and
boston, mass. 4-18-90
and
new orleans 10-2-89

in interest of time, i figured that it would be best to do all three at
once.  right now, i need volunteers for branches, and i would love anyone
interested in any of these tapes to email me, just letting me know if you
are interested.  this way i know about how big this will be.

take care, and hope to hear from you soon,

kristen

:)

p.s.  if anyone who wants to be a branch wants to trade for these seeds,
let me know, and i will send my boot list.

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_"in the beginner's mind there are many possibilities, but in the expert's
mind, there are few."
"the truth is always near at hand, within your reach."  -suzuki

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date:         wed, 15 jan 1997 21:53:09 -0500
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from:         alec <alec@pipeline.com>
subject:      the life and times of a mere porridge seeking rabbit
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              zjan@aol.com, jenn240@aol.com, sirg@juno.com, cmscoetz@aol.com

in the interests of better programming, a good and happy chain letter.
here it starts:

this is a good chain letter.  unlike bad chain letters, this one has a good
purpose.  it exists solely for the purpose of destroying the evil inherent
in the email systems of the world.  reading this email, regardless of
whether you forward it, will hereby absolve you from all debts, expressed
and implied, from all chain letters.  supposing you have not forwarded a
chain letter, and fear evil repurcussions, worry no longer.  you will never
suffer malevolent side affects from not forwarding chain mail again.  in
fact, by not forwarding chain mail, you will gain the luck, insight, money,
sexual satisfaction, or pet moose it promises.  this does not include this
message, as it can only work its good by being forwarded.  in addition to
never suffering from a chain letter again, you also recieve this helpful
public service anouncement:

there is no such thing as a virus that can be transmitted solely through
email.  this means that the good times virus, the deeyenda virus, and any
other virus that supposedly infects your system simply by reading it, is
simple and utter bullshit.  there is no such thing as an email virus.  the
only thing one should be careful of is attachments.  yes folks, attachments
can hold viri, they are not email messages, and are files.  however, email
cannot be a virus.

here's what to do with this message:

first:  read it.  if you don't understand anything, read it again.  if you
still don't understand it, write back to the person who sent it to you.
ask them.  if they have followed these instructions, then they too will
understand the contents of this letter.

second: once you understand what this letter means, forward it to at least
seven people.  if you want to forward it to more, then do so, and if you
want to forward it to less, that's fine too.  before you send this letter
off, make sure that:

        a. you have deleted the "fwd:" thing in front of the subject line.  in
fact, make sure that the subject line only says "the life and times of a
mere porridge seeking rabbit" (without the quotes).
        b. you have deleted all the headers that come with this message.  nobody,
repeat, nobody, likes to see five or six thousand pages worth of whose seen
this message.  it is a waste of bandwidth.

--------

this message has been brought to you in hopes that email systems world wide
will one day be free of the plague of bullshit that now so clogs them.

in kansas city in 1984, a happy man did not lose his job because he didn't
forward this message.

in tuckahoe, ny, in 1991, nobody lost their true love because of breaking
this chain.

this is not a joke, you run a serious risk of not suffering any
consequences if you do not forward this message.

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date:         wed, 15 jan 1997 22:07:13 -0500
reply-to:     jonny wu <wuman@warwick.net>
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from:         jonny wu <wuman@warwick.net>
subject:      epic site

hey everyone,

        i just visited the updated epic site and it made me feel kind of dumb.
i thought i knew basically what was going to be on the new album but
then they mentioned the songs "burn all the letters" and "shed your
skin".  were these songs played on the demo tour and if so, at which
shows.  i went to a show and have many of the boots from the demo tour
but i don't recall hearing about "burn all the letters" and "shed your
skin".  can someone enlighten me? pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease?

        it might be good that i haven't heard these songs.  come to think of
it, i'm not going to try to get a boot of them either(if there is one)
i'm going to leave those songs as a mystery until the album comes out.
i'm psyched!!!!!!!  but still, can someone clue me in on these songs?


                                jonny
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                  "all the shiny little trinkets of temptation
                   something new instead of something old, all
                   you gotta do is scratch beneath the surface
                   and it's fools gold....."
                                                     - emily saliers

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date:         wed, 15 jan 1997 19:52:29 -0800
reply-to:     tonyfrapsiv@earthlink.net
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from:         tony fraps <tonyfrapsiv@earthlink.net>
subject:      beggin' for jazz (igc)

        okay, i'm just a newbie and i really don't deserve it <he says
groveling>, but when i heard (from a little median cat) that *someone out
there* has a good quality boot of the no jazz fest evening performance on
may 4, 1996; well, i just went ballistic!
        that was my first ig concert (2 more since) and it was utlimately
fantabulous, quark-like incredibility, i mean, i mean.... i'm speechless
<did i hear applause?> @:}
        anyway, i will certainly powder the feet of anyone who can offer me
a low generation boot of this incredible performance.@:-)
        hell, i'd even be willing to be a branch for a good quality boot, if
so desired.

        please....please.... name your ransom for my dream tape!!!!!!!!!!!!!

thanks ya'll, thanks ya'll...


i      tony "the chickenman" @:-} houston, tx                  g
n                                                              i
d      baby i said it's all in our hands                       r
i      got to learn to respect what we don't understand        l
g      we are fortunate ones fortunate ones i swear  - ar      s
o

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date:         wed, 15 jan 1997 22:52:39 est
reply-to:     "angela c. lindahl" <ingenue2@juno.com>
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from:         "angela c. lindahl" <ingenue2@juno.com>
subject:      virus alert!!
x-to:         cjohnson@taro.poi.net, ingenue@kai.rsmas.miami.edu

subject:  virus alert
importance:  high

if anyone receives mail entitled:

penpal greetings!

please delete it without reading it.

this is a warning for all internet users - there is
a dangerous virus propogating across the internet through an e-mail
message entitled "penpal greetings!".

do not download any message entitled "penpal greetings!"

this message appears to be a friendly letter asking you if you are
interested in a penpal, but by the time you read this letter, it is too
late.

the "trojan horse" virus will have already infected the boot sector of
your hard drive, destroying all of the data present.

it is a self-replicating virus, and once the message is read, it will
automatically forward itself to
anyone who's e-mail address is present in your mailbox!

this virus will destroy your hard drive, and holds the potential to
destroy the hard drive of anyone whose mail is in your inbox, and who's
mail is in their inbox, and so on.

if this virus remains unchecked, it has the potential to do a great deal
of damage to computer networks worldwide!!!!

please, delete the message entitled "penpal greetings!" as soon as you
see it!

and pass this message along to all of your friends and relatives, and the
other readers of the newsgroups and mailing lists which you are on, so
that they are not hurt by this  dangerous virus!!!!

--------- end forwarded message ----------
--------- end forwarded message ----------
--------- end forwarded message ----------

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date:         thu, 16 jan 1997 11:57:35 +0800
reply-to:     glee <b3102097@cc.ntu.edu.tw>
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from:         glee <b3102097@cc.ntu.edu.tw>
subject:      indigo girls newsletter/pronouns/gayguys

hello indigo folks,
i sent a xmas card to the address provided in the cd booklet and
yesterday i actually got this newsletter from russell carter. now i
wonder if he sends out these letters on a regular basis, and how i can be
added on the mailing list? and how come i never heard anything
discussions on their letters? like has anyone ever read _all the pretty
horses_ or _the crossing_? i mean emily says they are "the most powerful
novels i've read in recent memory"...also isn't interesting that emily
reads nytimes??? then in amy's letter she mentioned these two bands,
_lift_ and _rock*a*teens_; has anyone got their cds? emily's favorite
movie last year is "the postman"; anyone reads pablo newda??

i wonder if amy and emily actually get to read their mail...what is
russell carter like anyway...in the summer i was reading breaking the
surface and greg has got this lousy manager who would hide greg's fan
mail from him...i just hope amy/emily read my card.

as to the pronouns everyone's so excited about, i have to admit i didn't
even notice it before...but there have been so many wonderful artists who
use gender specific pronouns, like the smiths, morrissey, pansy
division...does anyone listen to me'shell ndegeocello? i thought _who is
he and what is he to you_ is really clever.

thing is, people are just people, it's just so far when there's still so
much ignorance around we sometimes are forced to use labels like gay,
straight, black, white...but i guess one day they'll eventually become
adjectives just like happy, hungry, tall...

well speaking of men, i don't know about striaght (that's just an
adjective not segregating or anything) ones but you think "now we're
talking bout a difficult thing and you're eyes are getting wet" don't
apply to them...you should get to know my last exboyfriend:)

and i remember someone made a comment about bob mould making no bones to
his sexuality as a harder rock musician...well of course you can be "hard
rock" and gay. my boyfriend is a bass player in a so called
alternative/grunge or whatever band, and he's the only out gay (i laughed
at him because he put a rainbow sticker on his bass guitar). it does seem
to me the europeans have a very different attitudes towards gayness than
people in the states do. sorry that's an unthoughtful
generalisation...but you know what i mean...

anyways i'm rambling again, i have this attention problem, but let me
just briefly make a conclusion:
1. your insights on cormac (sp?) mccarth, pablo and the postman.
2. gay people are people.
3. not all gay men are opera queens:)

if i seem too typative lately it's because we don't go back to uni until
march:)

stay happy,
minghan

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date:         wed, 15 jan 1997 20:19:48 -0800
reply-to:     "kim: goddess in her own reality" <rcn@prcn.org>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "kim: goddess in her own reality" <rcn@prcn.org>
subject:      penpal greetings

hey!!! you were supposed to delete this!!!
i nominate you to status of he/she who rides on the ragged edge of internet
destruction:-)
... kim... goddess of trivial pursuits
####################################################
aaaaaaa-aaaa-aaaaaa-aaaaahhaaaaahaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!
         tarzan, lord of the jungle
           justkim<rcn@prcn.org
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date:         wed, 15 jan 1997 22:47:27 -0600
reply-to:     tracy fears <salray@webtv.net>
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from:         tracy fears <salray@webtv.net>
subject:      back together again!

gosh i haven't been here in a year!! remember me? the chick that wanted
to go to the jazz fest whose mother ruined it for her? anyway, it's good
to be back....what's the subject this month?

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date:         thu, 16 jan 1997 00:26:19 -0800
reply-to:     ruth <free@interlog.com>
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from:         ruth <free@interlog.com>
subject:      re: urban myths
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              cjohnson@taro.poi.net, ingenue@kai.rsmas.miami.edu

at 10:52 pm 1/15/97 est, angela c. lindahl wrote:
>subject:  virus alert
>importance:  high
>
>if anyone receives mail entitled:
>
>penpal greetings!
>
>please delete it without reading it.
>
>this is a warning for all internet users - there is
>a dangerous virus propogating across the internet through an e-mail
>message entitled "penpal greetings!".
>
>do not download any message entitled "penpal greetings!"
>
>this message appears to be a friendly letter asking you if you are
>interested in a penpal, but by the time you read this letter, it is too
>late.
>
>the "trojan horse" virus will have already infected the boot sector of
>your hard drive, destroying all of the data present.
>
>it is a self-replicating virus, and once the message is read, it will
>automatically forward itself to
>anyone who's e-mail address is present in your mailbox!

ladeez, puleez.  this is a hoax which keeps showing up periodically and
scares the daylights out of even major organizations.  please go to this
site on the web for a full briefing on the absolute falsity of these virus
scares.

http://www.urbanlegends.com/misc/good_times_virus_faq.html


ruth

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date:         thu, 16 jan 1997 00:32:33 -0500
reply-to:     mmedido@aol.com
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from:         mmedido@aol.com
subject:      re: amy and her wild pro-nouns

okay i know...3rd post today...evil (666)binky !!!

just wanna say that for every :(<ig freak>:( that elizabeth talked to in her
english class thare are bunches of daniels (from the list), gwens,
beths, erics, joes  and margots and the list goes on and on.......

i'm still stickin' to my thesis :):)....my prof gave a science lecture
talkin'
about quiet revolutions......i think there is one goin on around people
just gettin' over freakin' out about gay folk (and vise' verse.whatever...)
(can't spell)...
who knows...maybe "ig freak" went home and thought about it and will
buy the new album and change her mind :) i think the new ig songs
are going to change a lot of peoples minds !!!!!
uh oh.. i feel an attack of peace and love and goodwill to all coming on.....
(better go read some fran leibowitz <g>)

here's to all the sweet wonderfull laugin' and cryin' straight men in my life
!!
you rock !!!!!!
(this gay gurl has always seemed to have straight n' not straight boys for
bestest good friends...funny how that works :)

peaceandlove
your miss binky (wearin' jean nate' in honor of danielle howle :)
(no pee though, sorry)
p.s. mary ellen mark is one of my most favorite photograhpers !!!!!
i can't even begin to say how excited i am to hear she shot a & e
for the new album !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
come on people, come on children, come on down to the glory river
gonna wash you up, and wash you down, gonna lay the devil down
gonna  lay...that......devil........down !                      (laura nyro )
                http://members.aol.com/mmedido/index.htm
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from:         tony fraps <tonyfrapsiv@earthlink.net>
subject:      jazz dreams fulfilled

        thank you one and all for the generous offers of the '96 jazz fest boot.
        as a newbie, i still cannot believe how well this boot trading
system works!  margot laidacker of lovely austin tx, responded in an
impressive 22 minutes with the goods.  of course, i shall be showering her
with unsolicited flaterry and ingratiating comments .... at least until the
tape wears out! @;-}

emily wishes and amy dreams,  <yes, i stole that! sorry :( >

i      tony "the chickenman" @:-} houston, tx                  g
n                                                              i
d      baby i said it's all in our hands                       r
i      got to learn to respect what we don't understand        l
g      we are fortunate ones fortunate ones i swear  - ar      s
o

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from:         tony fraps <tonyfrapsiv@earthlink.net>
subject:      re: quiet revolutions

at 12:32 am 1/16/97 -0500, you wrote:
i'm still stickin' to my thesis :):)....my prof gave a science lecture
talkin' about quiet revolutions......i think there is one goin on around people
just gettin' over freakin' out about gay folk (and vise' verse.whatever...)
uh oh.. i feel an attack of peace and love and goodwill to all coming on.....
peaceandlove
your miss binky

that was beautiful binky. truly a message of love.
i'm hetero in houston and have never thought of the ig's sexual orientation
with respect to their music and
i think your right that one's orientation today is becoming a non-issue
for lack of a better term, i have long considered myself a libertarian,
which to me basically means: an adult should have the right to do anything
he/she wants so long as no one else is hurt.  that immediately eliminates
all "victimless" crimes: homosexuality, drug use, prostitution, gambling,
wearing your seatbelt or motorcycle helmet (ya' know, things that consenting
adults decide to do amongst themselves).  when you get right down to it is a
matter of liberty and freedom.
        i am hopeful, like you are that we are moving toward a more liberal
society, but the war on drugs for instance has not been a pretty sight.
john stuart mill said the very nature of society is to move towards stifling
and restraining the liberty of individuals, and that we as individuals must
remain ever vigilant against the encroachment of unwarranted government
interference in our lives.
       the only freedom which deserves the name is that of pursuing our own
good in our own way so long as we do not deprive others of theirs nor impede
their efforts to obtain it -- john s. mill
        get up, stand up (don't give up the fight <nonviolent!>)...

peace, love and understanding :)

bigbird
i      tony "the chickenman" @:-} houston, tx                  g
n                                                              i
d      baby i said it's all in our hands                       r
i      got to learn to respect what we don't understand        l
g      we are fortunate ones fortunate ones i swear  - ar      s
o

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from:         carolyn chow <egg@u.washington.edu>
subject:      pnw's for sunday, jan 19.

hey hey all,

sorry to waste bandwidth for non-pnw's.  just a reminder that i'm having a
get together on sunday, the 19th of jan.  around 7ish or so, whenever you
want to get here.   join me, binky, karey, sundara, pj, kathy and sue,
kim from n. vancouver, betsy, andrea, and geez, the list is long...

bring munchies and/or boos, guitars, song books...

mail me for directions and further info.

*reign and abfab fans- i've got the vcr's set to tape both broadcasts, so
not to worry, you won't miss out.  :)

hope all is well in indigo land,

carolyn (4 weeks til i get paroled from graduate school!)

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reply-to:     "kim: goddess in her own reality" <rcn@prcn.org>
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subject:      re: amy and her wild pro-nouns
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at 12:32 am 1/16/97 -0500, the binkster wrote:

>here's to all the sweet wonderfull laugin' and cryin' straight men in my life
>!!
>you rock !!!!!!
>(this gay gurl has always seemed to have straight n' not straight boys for
> bestest good friends...funny how that works :)
mmmmhhmmm... this un too... i even married one ( a str8 un ) and i know
he'll cry real tears when i have to break his heart... i'll cry them too.
damn life is hard...
there are differences between the sexes, but human emotion remains a common
bond we all share... any well written song ( whether its the music, the
lyrics, or both) speaks to that bond. as gays, we can relate to str8 songs,
more out of environment + habit than choice:-) and i believe, if the shoe
were on the other foot, str8's could/would relate to gay songs... cause it's
all human emotion, baby... when the walls come down, it'll be okay. ( look
out binky!!! that was definately a warm and "fuzzy-feeling" kinda thought! )
when emily bought that ring for the boy in sixth grade, i'll bet her "it
seemed the thing to do" was a kids take on an enviromentally inspired
reaction to a crush. uh... guys in our society buy rings for the girls they
love... she must've had this great big ol' feeling and ran with it...
forgetting all about "proper" boy/girl etiquette. aint kids great??? lines
and walls and scarey scarey prejudices are taught things. so, dang it, if i
wanna buy a ring for a guy, i will:-) who says it's more appropo for a guy
to get one for a girl... or a ( lesbian ) gurl to buy one for another gurl???
uh... oh, wait... i'm broke, so this whole argument has no meaning in my
immediate life...
peace... kim, goddess of the most complicated (<---easiest to learn ):)
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
"don't tell me i'm burning the candle
at both ends... tell me where to get
more wax!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
-------<justkim>rcn@prcn.org----------
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>

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date:         thu, 16 jan 1997 10:28:22 +0000
reply-to:     indigo jo <mts5@aber.ac.uk>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         indigo jo <mts5@aber.ac.uk>
subject:      re: virus alert!!
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in-reply-to:  <19970115.215050.9534.1.ingenue2@juno.com>

on wed, 15 jan 1997, angela c. lindahl wrote:

> subject:  virus alert
> importance:  high
>
> if anyone receives mail entitled:
>
> penpal greetings!
>
> please delete it without reading it.
>
> this is a warning for all internet users - there is
> a dangerous virus propogating across the internet through an e-mail
> message entitled "penpal greetings!".
>
> do not download any message entitled "penpal greetings!"
>
> this message appears to be a friendly letter asking you if you are
> interested in a penpal, but by the time you read this letter, it is too
> late.
>
> the "trojan horse" virus will have already infected the boot sector of
> your hard drive, destroying all of the data present.

no it won't.   files can't replicate themselves unless they are executable
- and executed.   looks like this is another hoax along the "good times"
lines.

mat

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from:         indigo jo <mts5@aber.ac.uk>
subject:      chords to bury my heart ..., by casey connor

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date: wed, 17 jan 1996 15:27:39 -0600 (cst)
from: casey connor <casey@cec.wustl.edu>
subject: crd: bury my heart at wounded knee as done by indigo girls


bury my heart at wounded knee
w&m by buffy st. marie,
as covered by the indigo girls.

another four-chord song transcribed by guitar god casey@cec.wustl.edu,
with help with the words from indigo-girls listmembers.

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"emily": (sing freely)

d                           a
indian legislation's on the desk of a do-right congressman

d                                g
but he don't know much about the issues so he

a
picks up the phone and asks the advice of the

d              bm
senator out in indian country, a

g              a
darling of the energy companies

        bm                  g           a
they're ripping off what's left of the reservation


"amy": (with more rhythm)

             a                           bm
i learned this safety rule i don't know who to thank

            a                f#m             bm
don't stand between the reservation and the corporate bank

               a                       f#m                 bm
they're sendin federal tanks, it isn't nice, but it's reality

chorus:

(no chord)              d       c   g
bury my heart at wounded knee

                         d   c   g
i said deep in the earth

                            d            c   g
won't you cover me with your pretty lies

                        d     c   g
bury my heart at wounded knee


               a                                 bm
they got these energy companies they're tryin to steal our land
                           (or: who want to take our land)

         a                  f#m         bm
they got churches by the dozen tryin to guide our hand

a                                   (f#m?)          bm
and turn our mother earth over to pollution war and greed

get rich, get rich quick

chorus (with echoing bmhawk's?)

"jerry marotta":

we've got the federal books, we've got the covert spies
         (or: federal marshals)
they got the liars by fire they got the fbi
they go to court and get nailed and still leonard peltier goes off to jail

the bullets didn't match the gun

chorus (with echoing bmhawk's - "bury my heart at wounded knee; it was an
eigth of the reservation; it was transferred in secret; you got your
murdering heart and intimidation; bury my heart at wounded knee")
(or: you got your murder and intimidation, etc...)

we're talking about a revolution

my girlfriend anna may, she talked about uranium
her head was full of bullets and her body dumped
the fbi cut off her hands and told us she died of exposure

chorus

bury me bury me

we had the gold rush wars, why didn't we learn to crawl?
and now our history gets written in a liar's scrawl.
they tell me

[no chord]

honey you can still be an indian, i mean, you know, wear those little
moccasins and play those bingo games down at the y on a saturday night.
("bullshit", except i think amy says "right" on compg's)

and they should...
chorus ("...you're going to cover me with your pretty lies...")

chorus ("...it's an eigth...etc...heart and intimidation...")

'bury my heart' repeated at end.

first voice stays on low d, second does "bur" and "heart" on f and "y my" on
e, third does "bur" and "heart" on a and "y my" on g, and a last voice
can do the high d for "bur" and "heart" and c for "y my" so it's:


dm  c/d  dm
bur y my heart

repeated over and over again. this is pretty much a guess and may be an
approxiamtion of the actual sining or may embellish it. whatever. you
might try tuning the low e to d and playing the normal d and then c
chords over it with the open bass string allowed to ring.

notes: for the verse, i think the f#m's are sometimes there and sometimes
not. and listen to the recording for the syncopated strumming pattern.
it's kooky.
_
|_  a s e y


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subject:      indigo girls capo and tuning chart, by adam schneider

indigo girls

tunings and capo positions

the charts try to list seven things for each song:
1) the key that the song is performed in.
2) where amy ray has her capo (0 if there's no capo).
3) the key amy plays it in.
4) amy's tuning. if it's blank, she uses standard tuning.
5) where emily sailers has her capo.
6) the key emily plays it in.
7) emily's tuning. again, blank means standard tuning.

if you know something i don't, let me [ie adam] know.


                        +------++---------------------++---------------------+
                        | key  ||      amy ray        ||    emily saliers    |
                        | on   ||------+-----+--------||------+-----+--------|
                        |album || capo | key | tuning || capo | key | tuning |
|=======================|======||======|=====|========||======|=====|========|
| strange fire          |  e   ||  0   |  e  |        ||  0   |  e  |        |
| crazy game            |  e   || n/a  | n/a |        ||  0   |  e  |        |
| left me a fool        |  f#  || n/a? | n/a?|        ||  2   |  e  |        |
| i don't wanna know    |  g   ||  0   |  g  |        ||  0   |  g  |        |
| hey jesus             |  bb  || n/a  | n/a |        ||  3   |  g  |        |
| walk away             |  e   ||  0   |  e  |        ||  0   |  e  |        |
| make it easier        |  d   ||  0   |  d  |        ||  0   |  d  |        |
| you left it up to me  |  a   ||  0   |  a  |        ||  0   |  a  |        |
| land of canaan        |  g   ||  0   |  g  |        ||  0   |  g  |        |
| get together          |  bb  ||  3   |  g  |        ||  3   |  g  |        |
|-----------------------|------||------|-----|--------||------|-----|--------|
| closer to fine        |  a   ||  2   |  g  |        ||  2   |  g  |        |
| secure yourself       |  b   ||  2   |  a  |        ||  2   |  a  |        |
| kid fears             |  g   ||  0   |  g  |        ||  0   |  g  |        |
| prince of darkness    |  d   ||  0   |  d  |        ||  0   |  d  |        |
| blood and fire        |  b   ||  2   |  a  |        || n/a  | n/a |        |
| tried to be true      |  g   ||  0   |  g  |        ||  0   |  g  |        |
| love's recovery       |  d   ||  0   |  d  | dadgbe ||  0   |  d  | dadgbe |
| land of canaan        |  g   ||  0   |  g  |        ||  0   |  g  |        |
| center stage          |  d   ||  0   |  d  | dadgbd ||  0   |  d  | dadgbd |
| history of us         |  g   || n/a  | n/a |        ||  0   |  g  |        |
+-----------------------|------||------|-----|--------||------|-----|--------|
| hammer and a nail     |  b   ||  4   |  g  |        ||  4   |  g  |        |
| welcome me            |  a   ||  2   |  g  |        ||  2   |  g  |        |
| world falls           |  f   ||  3   |  d  |        ||  3   |  d  |        |
| southland in the      |  a   ||  2   |  g  |        ||  2   |  g  |        |
|   springtime          |      ||      |     |        ||      |     |        |
| 1 2 3                 |  e   ||  0   |  e  |        ||  0   |  e  |        |
| keeper of my heart    |  b   ||  2   |  a  |        || n/a  | n/a |        |
| watershed             |  d   ||  0   |  d  | dadgbe ||  0   |  d  | dadgbe |
| hand me downs         |  a   ||  2   |  g  |        ||  0   |  a  |        |
| you and me of the     |  d   ||  0   |  d  |        ||  0   |  d  |        |
|   10,000 wars         |      ||      |     |        ||      |     |        |
| pushing the needle    |  g   ||  0   |  g  |        ||  0   |  g  |        |
|   too far             |      ||      |     |        ||      |     |        |
| girl with the weight  |  b   || n/a  | n/a |        ||  2   |  a  |        |
|   of the world...     |      ||      |     |        ||      |     |        |
|-----------------------|------||------|-----|--------||------|-----|--------|
| three hits            |  g   ||  0   |  g  |        ||  0   |  g  |        |
| galileo               |  f   ||  1   |  e  |        ||  5   |  c  | dadgbc |
| ghost                 |  g   ||  0   |  g  |        ||  0   |  d  |        |
| joking                |  g   ||  0   |  g  |        ||  0   |  g  | dgdgbe |
| jonas and ezekial     |  d   ||  2   |  c  |        ||  2   |  c  |        |
| love will come to you |  d   ||  0   |  d  | dadgad ||  0   |  d  | dadgad |
| virginia woolf        |  c   ||  0   |  c  |   ?    ||  0   |  c  | dadgbc |
| chickenman            |  d   ||  0   |  d  | dadgbd ||  0   |  d  | dadgbd |
| airplane              |  g   ||  0   |  g  |        ||  0   |  g  |        |
| nashville             |  b   ||  2   |  a  |        ||  2   |  a  |        |
| let it be me          |  bb  ||  3   |  g  |        ||  3   |  g  |        |
| cedar tree            |  g   ||  0   |  g  | dgdgbd ||  0   |  g  | dgdgbd |
|-----------------------|------||------|-----|--------||------|-----|--------|
| fugitive              |  e   ||  0   |  e  |        ||  0   |  e  |        |
| least complicated     |  a   ||  2   |  g  |        ||  0   |  a  |        |
| language or the kiss  |  c   ||  5   |  g  |        ||  0   |  c  | dadgbc |
| reunion               |  a   ||  2   |  g  |        ||  2   |  g  |        |
| power of two          |  c   ||  5   |  g  |        ||  5   |  g  |        |
| touch me fall         |  g   ||  0   |  g  |        ||  0   |  g  |        |
| the wood song         |  g   ||  0   |  g  |        ||  0   |  g  | dgdgbd |
| mystery               |  d   ||  0   |  d  |        ||  0   |  d  | dadgad |
| dead man's hill       |  g   ||  0   |  g  |        ||  0   |  g  |        |
| fare thee well        |  f#  || n/a  | n/a |        ||  6   |  c  | dadgbd |
| this train revised    |  d   ||  2   |  c  | eadgae ||  2   |  c  | eadgae |
|-----------------------|------||------|-----|--------||------|-----|--------|

|-----------------------|------||------|-----|--------||------|-----|--------|
| the ballad of squeaky |  g   ||  0   |  g  |        || n/a  | n/a |        |
|   fromme              |      ||      |     |        ||      |     |        |
| daddy's all gone      |  g   ||  0   |  g  |        ||  0   |  g  |        |
| everybody's waiting   |  g   ||  0   |  g  |        ||  0   |  g  |        |
| half moon cafe        |  bb  || n/a  | n/a |        ||  1   |  a  |        |
| high horse            |  f   ||  5?  |  c? |        ||  5?  |  c? |        |
| love of the common    |  b   ||  2   |  a  |        ||  2   |  a  |        |
|   people              |      ||      |     |        ||      |     |        |
| melissa               |  e   ||  0   |  e  |        ||  0   |  e  |        |
| mona lisas and mad    |  d?  ||  2?  |  c  |        ||  2?  |  c  |        |
|   hatters             |      ||      |     |        ||      |     |        |
| never stop            |  e   ||  4?  |  c? |        ||  4?  |  c? |        |
| river                 |  a   || n/a  | n/a |        ||  2   |  g  |        |
| tangled up in blue    |  a   ||  0   |  a  |        ||  0   |  a  |        |
| the untitled song     |  e   ||  4?  |  c  |        ||  4?  |  c? |        |
|-----------------------|------||------|-----|--------||------|-----|--------|


- adam schneider, schneider@pobox.com

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| mts5@aber.ac.uk         \   for anyone, an absentee boss is best."   |
| indigojo@freenet.hut.fi  \     - jeannette winterson, "the passion"  |
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date:         thu, 16 jan 1997 10:26:05 -0800
reply-to:     mcculloch <mcculloc@netcomuk.co.uk>
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from:         mcculloch <mcculloc@netcomuk.co.uk>
subject:      jcs video: uk format

hi

i contacted daemon records recently to see if i could get hold of a video
of jcs in a format which is compatible with vcrs on this side of the
pond. i was told that they had actually looked into it ( i find this in
itself remarkably cool), but found that it would be expensive for them to
do.  as they have only had a few requests from the uk, they have decided
to wait for a while.  however, they would like to hear from other people
who are interested.

so, if there is anybody else as keen as i am to get hold of jcs in that
format - please let daemon know.

thanks
sue.

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subject:      transcription offer of newsletter

can someone transcribe and post the letters written by a&e in the newsletter?

if someone will get a copy to me (snail mail or fax), i'll volunteer to
do it.

email me privately if you are willing to send me a copy of their letters
and i'll be happy to transcribe it for the list.

n.


nancy humphries
nancy@rbdc.rbdc.com

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from:         anna hidalgo <ahidalgo@portalinc.com>
subject:      repost - ig fan club newsletter

i still have the original post of sundara, in which she so kindly
transcribed the letters of russell, emily, and amy. so, here it is for
everyone who didn't get to read it the first time ... enjoy!

anna

==============
alrighty, here it is, the ig newsletter that i (and a few others) got.  of
course, this may be some big violation to re-type it for you all, but oh
well.

november 1996

greetings,

        as you will read, amy and emily are putting the finishing touches
on their new album as you receive this note.  the record will be released
sometime in march and will be followed by a major u.s. outdoor tour with a
band beginning on memorial day and ending in august.  in addition to the
summer tour, we will book many college dates in the spring, a few festival
dates in europe in the spring, a tour in early fall set up specifically for
high school students, an honor the earth benefit tour and a theater duo
tour in the fall.
        we want you to be as active as us in 1997.  we want to be sure you
know when you can buy the album and the singles, where and when to buy
tickets, when to see the indigo girl on letterman, leno, pbs special, etc.
you will receive your newsletter as always but also know that the new
website will offer you comprehensive up the the minute information.
http://www.indigogirls.com
        you will see and hear amy and emily working in the studio on the
album, developing album artwork, doing photo shoots and promotional
appearances.  they will post periodic audio messages.  in short, the side
will be constantly upgraded.
        one last note for now, please mail or email your name, current
address, phone and fax and email address. we are updating our mailing list
and want to make sure you are on it.

happy holidays, russell

(this is handwritten by emily)

hi everyone,
        it's been a long hiatus for us, and now we're back in the studio,
working on a new record.  i fully enjoyed my year off from touring.  i
caught up on some reading (cormac mccarthy's (sp?)  'all the pretty horses'
and 'the crossing' are the most powerful novels i've read in recent memory)
i think my favorite movie of the year off was 'the postman'  it also
renewed my interestin the poetry of pablo nervda whose love sonnets and
other odes i've been lapping up.  my favorite activity of the break was
probably piano lessons, which i hope to continue (growing tomatoes and
cooking at home were pretty wonderful experiences as well)  i got to hang
out with my cats, drink coffee and read the ny times in the morning.
actually, as i write this and think about all the things i was able to do
this past year, the list seems endless, and i am grateful.  so thanks for
being patient!
        it's impossible, at this point, to say what the new record is going
to feel like, but amy and i are producing it ourselves (with dave leonard
and some early guidance from peter collins), and i am really enjoying the
recording experience.  we started in nashville, spent a month in austin
(great town) and now we're back in atlanta to finish up.  it should be out
in march, and then we'll be in your town at some point.  so, thanks again.
        if anything's most in my heart and mind it is a drive towards
kindness and action.  we must be a collective balm for this wounded, broken
world, and we can be.  all of this anti-gay, anti-immigrant,
anti-indigenous, anti-'others' must be transformed into mutual respect for
all peoples.  i want to celebrate diversity.  once this country truly
embraces our legacy of diversity and claims full responsibility for the
evils of our past and present, then i will be patriotic! uh oh, i could
really go off.  let's work together in music, faith, and respect.  emily


(this is typed by amy)

        what i did on my summer vacation...it's actually been a couple of
summers and everything else that fell in between.  i can't decide if the
musical world has changed during our absence or if it always feels like the
record industry is going to implode.  money seems to be changing hands on a
grand scale and its harder than ever for an indie band to have an impact
(for that matter its hard for any band).  but believe it or not i am an
eternal optimist...i see more grassroots resources available than ever
before...so as my good friend gerard mchugh would say, "don't give up the
ghost, the show is not over!"  in any case, we promise to do our part this
coming year by keeping ticket and merchandise prices low, also we will
continue taking indie bands on the road with us.  with all that in mind,
onto my summer vacation...
        daemon records released an astonishing six projects!  the most
recent release, honor1, is a compilation cd that benefits the honor the
earth campaign (see this newsletter for more details).  our two upcoming
releases are the rock*a*teens (second cd for the label) and a brand new
daemon band, lift.  these band are on opposite ends of the spectrum and in
many ways fulfill our mission of offering up compelling music for many
different taste.  if you are interested in being on our mailing list write
to:  p.o.box 1207, decatur, ga. 30031.
        my most memorable adventure this past year was a trip down to
chiapas, mexico.  one of the projects we funded through the honor the earth
involves the zapatistas, a group of mayan indians that are struggling for
land autonomy and self-determination.  we gave a grant that helped to buy
supplies for a women's art co-op.  selling textiles and crafts is one way
the villages bring in money.  the zapatista women are constantly harassed
by the mexican military when they walk through the militarized zones to
gather supplies.  with the grant money they were able to stockpile supplies
and avoid the confrontations.  i was able to meet four of the zapatista
women commandantes when i attended the conference hosted by the zapatistas
where we discussed globalization and its negative effects on the human
community.  the conference was held in the mayan community spread
throughout the rainforest in five different centers of resisitance.  these
centers of resisitant are in effect safe zones where community
infrastructure is being established by the mayan people.  during my
travels, i learned a lot of lessons in patience and diginity, its
impossilbe  to articulate my experience.  the zapatistas' struggle against
the corruption of the mexican government and the world domination of
transnational corporations (mainly u.s. interest) is important; we should
all be aware of it.  for information and a way you can help, contact tha
national commission for democracy in mexico at phone/fax: (915)532-8382
email: moonlight@igc.apc.org.
        musically speaking, i have spent hours practicing my guitar,
writing, and listening to music.  i need so much time to clear my head of
touring, that i usually don't get around to playing as much as i want
to-the year was great for that.  bob marley is my current pick for
inspiration, but it changes every day.  the studio is going...mmm..what
should i say...i wonder what emily would say???  well lets just say we are
sort of self-producing this time, and we are spending many hours exploring
new territory as well as rediscovering the old.  one highlight so far was a
visit by steve earle on the song "shame on you".  we have worked in austin,
nashville, and atlanta.  we hope to be done before the new year...
        if you are frustrated by the state of the union there are many
things you can do; here is one idea.  join artist for a hate free america,
call 1-800-3-what-2-do...
                ok for now hope you are too,
                                        ar

alrighty, that's it.  i apologize for anything i got wrong, typos, etc.

peace, love, and moving to olympia,

        sundara<-- who is wearing her new purple nail polish her lovely

                        housemate got her!! :)

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date:         thu, 16 jan 1997 10:04:18 -0500
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subject:      touring

hi,  i live in south bend, indiana and all of my friends here love
you guys!!! i also have friends in fort lauderdale and oregan that
will be here in south bend this summer that also love your music!!!
we are hoping that you'll tour!!! if you do please make a stop some
where kinda close to here. we're waiting to make our summer plans
to find if your going on tour!!!!
we would love to see in concert!!!!!
              one of your biggest fans
                      jenny kushto

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subject:      re: virus alert!!
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your heart's in the right place, angela, but:

the pen pals  and good times virus alerts are a hoax.  the new trend
seems to be more away from actual viruses and more toward threats of
viruses.  wienies who aren't smart enough to know how to create a virus
are feeling left out of the ability to scare people so virus hoaxes are
what they came up with instead.

your best defense against viruses is to install virus alert software by
norton (for pcs) or symantec (for macs) and update it monthly.

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subject:      re: virus alert!! (totally nigc)
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>
> your best defense against viruses is to install virus alert software by
> norton (for pcs) or symantec (for macs) and update it monthly.
>
actually, the best anti-virus software for macs is disinfectant. unlike
symantec's product, it's totally free, and update every time a new virus
comes out. and by using it, you'll be supporting the freeware concept rather
than big evil software corporations. if you have a pc, the best defense
against viruses is to buy a mac--no kidding. macs are far less susceptible to
viruses than are pcs.

btw, viruses are *extremely* rare. i've had my mac for more than a year, have
downloaded lots of sotware from the 'net, and have never once found a virus on
my hard drive. viruses are most frequently spread via disks that contain
pirated software, so that's just one more reason not to trade pirated
software (besides the fact that it's illegal :-d.)
kirsten

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subject:      fwd:  another timely acumen update....

hey everybody, if you're nearby to any of these dates, i'd really suggest you
check out acumen.  there's a url at the bottom, so check 'em out.

- lorie


in a message dated 97-01-14 17:24:46 est, acumen writes:

<<  greetings, all.  just wanted to update everyone a bit....

firstly, if you want to be removed from this mailing list, send us an email
here at acumembers@aol.com, same if you want or know someone who wants to be
added....feel free to pass this around as often as you like to anyone you
like.

secondly, i'd like to announce that we've decided to add a 6th member of
acumen, the lovely and talented misty scaroni.  she adds an entirely new
dimension to our sound, adding both vocal harmonies and violin, as well as
being a gifted lyricist and songwriter.  so, when you hear the third album
down the road, i can assure you her presence will be felt, in the meantime,
you'll just have to come to our live shows to fully appreciate what she
brings to the band.....

and last but not least, we'd like to let everyone know about our upcoming
shows:

acumen tour dates (last updated 1/13/97)

january
21  the rat               boston, ma
22  the spiral            new york, ny
23  maxwell's           hoboken, nj
25  whit's end           toledo, oh
29  chameleon club      grand junction, co

february
2   garton's (t)           vail, co
4   bw-3 (t)                 steamboat springs, co
6   satyricon               portland, or
7   john henry's          eugene, or
11  cricket on the hill   denver, co
12  lion's lair (t)         denver, co
14  gig's (t)                 colorado springs, co
15  tba                      albuquerque, nm
16  debut records      el paso, tx
18  impala                    fort worth, tx
19  panama red's (t)  wichita, ks
21  area 51                 lexington, ky
22  whit's end             toledo, oh
23  majestic theater      detroit, mi

(t) - tentative dates

thanks for your interest.  don't forget to check out our webpage at:

http://www.w-link.net/~forestlawn/acumen.html

peace >>

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subject:      greta's monthly i need trades post

hey hey...

wow y'all, it's been a while.  i'm stuck at home with the flu, but for some reason am extremely happy (hmmm...could be the 101 degree fever...) because, hey, i actually get to go to the up coming pnw hoe-down this time.  no nasty holiday obligations...
soooo...on to my reason for posting (okay, you got me...i wanted to break the monotony again...), my mailbox is wasting away...  i'm in desperate need of some new material.  i've got fun stuff (audio and video) to trade, and way too much spare time on my hands, so help me out here folks....  i am still looking for amy's '95 birthday show (does anybody have this??!!...i know for a fact that it was booted...), and any of the '96 texas stops that ig made.  other than that, i don't really care 'bout specifics.  contact me if you're interested & i'll send you my list.

...still going crazy trying to figure out which new song could possibly be called "burn all the letters"...

-greta

"okay, what i'm going to say is...i'm gonna buy something and he's going to be really happy and this is really condescending, i'm thinking, this is really arrogant, you know?  i'm gonna but something from him and he's gonna appreciate me so much that he's gonna want to talk to me.  how materialistic can you get?  what an asshole i am.
-a. ray

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subject:      boot offer:  may 4, 1996 new orleans

hi all,

i haven't heard this tape in a while, so i'm gonna offer to tape it.  here's
the info:

1)  date:  5/4/96, kiefer uno arena, new orleans, la.

songs:  thin line, the wood song, this train revised, power of two, don't
give that girl a gun, least complicated, nashville, get out the map, chiapas
bound, closer to fine, shame on you, crazy game, tried to be true, galileo,
don't think twice (w/joan baez), wild horses (w/michelle malone), finlandia
(w/joan baez).

thanks to whoever recorded this b/c it is excellent sound quality.  thanks to
mmedido for photography and jude hunter for coordinating stuff.

2)  the show is 90 min long.  please send sase & 90 min tdk sa or maxell xlii
tape only.  please be sure.  not maxell ur or tdk d90 or anything else even
if it is "high bias."  i'm gonna try and make a few extra ahead of time, so
i'll just dump out your blank and plop in the pre-made tape.  if there is a
lot of response, it's possible you'll send a maxell and get back a tdk.  if
this is horrible, then don't send me a tape.  (though i'll really try to mail
back the same brand tape.)

3)  reserving the right to cut off this offer if need be.  not expecting a
flood, but da mongr could get fooled

saw what susan said about the las cruces show, and i still have some leftover
tape liners too, so if you can reply to me about the las cruces show *today*,
thursday 1/16, then i'll make some copies.

: )
lorie, who's working on a web page and can't wait til it's respectable oh boy
oh boy...anybody know about graphics?  how come my backgrounds show on aol's
browser and not in netscape?  <pout>

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subject:      daniel vs "elton's song"
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binky wrote:
> because the information that explained everything was in the last verse,
> but because the song was so long, they had to cut out the last verse.
> therefore, the real meaning behind the song was never known, except to the
> writers (john/taupin)...until he explained it on the rosie show, of course.

maybe elton can explain the meaning behind "elton's song" the next time he
is on rosie, that would be more interesting to me. boys school, older
young man. lines like..."i watched you playing pool, it's all around
the school that i love you" or "if you only knew what i'm going through",
and, "time and again i get ashamed to say your name" "i would give
my life for a single night beside you" i must confess i "borrowed" this
song to give to my first  'same-gender crush' while still in highschool.
she got the message. i wonder if elton ever did touch the 'gypsy hair' he
pined on about.

okay enough...well? what do ya'll think?? (elton's song - from 'the fox')

peace, kim (n.v.)

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subject:      re: quiet revolutions

> i think your right that one's orientation today is becoming a non-issue

hi, i'm a newbie, my name is jessica, nice to meet y'all.

anyway, i always get pretty mad when people discriminate against gay
people, even at the level of condescension ("well, i guess if it's what
they want to do...").  and i have been feeling like, recently and rather
quickly, it is becoming a non-issue.  i think it's in part because of
people like a&e, who make music that makes everyone's heart turn.
anyone who does something that affects others' lives, and doesn't deny
their sexual orientation but doesn't get mean about it, is making an
important difference: it's hard for anyone to condescend or to deny
their worth.  it's people like these that are opening the world's eyes
to the plain and simple truth.  that's my opinion, at any rate.  people
have been working like crazy for this for decades, and it's wonderful
that now they don't have to work so hard.  now i and any of my friends
that happen to be gay can live in relative peace!  and if only we could
do something about racism...

don't get too mad at me if i said anything you don't like, email me and
i'll try to explain myself more completely!

jessica

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subject:      il postino

> 1. your insights on cormac (sp?) mccarth, pablo and the postman.
>
i find it very interesting that emily liked "the postman" so much.  i just
saw it last week, and left the theatre bawling (it finally came to the
dollar theatre!).  and, to the mortal chagrin of everyone else, i thought it
was better than even "the english patient."   t.p. is a movie where everyone
can sympathize with the tragedy.  hasn't everyone left/moved on  with grand
intentions of keeping in touch, then letting that promise fall aside?  and
haven't we all felt guilty about it but done it anyway?

just some thoughts, another-but-different-jessica-newbie,
jessica u.c.

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subject:      nigc bdays
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january 16
simpson@hanover.edu (january simpson) (even though she's off the list at
the moment)
happy birthday, january!!
find another state of mind
reach out and grab hold
strange fire burns with the motion of love...

sistablu@desktop.com.au (mardi)
happy birthday, mardi!!
crazy game, i never shoulda started to play
but now you couldn't tear me away...

have an indigo year!
love,
the bg, who wants to see alla y'all pnws sunday!  let's really freak out
carolyn's roommate! ;)

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subject:      re: daniel vs "elton's song"
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at 10:43 am 1/16/97, kimberly hobbs wrote:
>binky wrote:
>> because the information that explained everything was in the last verse,
>> but because the song was so long, they had to cut out the last verse.
>> therefore, the real meaning behind the song was never known, except to the
>> writers (john/taupin)...until he explained it on the rosie show, of course.

actually, kim, that was me, not binky (or yknib as she is sometimes known).

not to worry, binks and i get mistaken for each other a lot, right binks?  ;o)

anxiously awaiting the boston list party....

joni-kins  :o)  {thanks to susie b. marine for my new nickname...}

"love it, be it"  - susie b...

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subject:      don't eat out of dented cans, ii

ok, come on people.  do you expect me to honestly believe that no one,
*nobody* at all knows anything about don't eat out of dented cans?  what's
wrong with you people?  doncha know you're all my personal ig slaves? 8-)

so, this message is for all of you who sit back on your haunches, like i
do, and think to yourselves, oh, that poor soul will get fifty thousand
messages telling her all about deoodc.  i did not receive a single
message, apart from a few scattered requests to forward whatever info. i
got.  none.  zippo.  so, all y'all, resist the urge to complacency!  tell
me, please, what the heck is this thing?

help . . . .  chris is getting a little obsessive about it . . . .  my gf
will be eternally grateful.  (richelle, see me waving from across the
country?  love to you!)

yours,
chris ii

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subject:      oops re: rings as gifts...

'twas said:
<< well, according to emily before lc on 1200c, "i was thinking about my, my
little boyfriend in 6th grade, danny. (laugh) he was so cute, & i went to
woolworth's, and i bought him a ring, with my allowance.  and uh, as soon
as i gave it to him, i knew that it, it wasn't the cool thing to do.  and
that was just the beginning of the rest of my life.  you have to laugh at
yourself because you'd cry your eyes out if you didn't."

yeah, so she did buy the ring for a guy.  that's pretty funny, actually,
that here's one song that was about a guy, yet it seems like the gift would
be more appreopriate for a woman! :) >>

ok, ok, ok!  i'm hanging my head in shame.  i admit it: i don't own 1200
curfews (yet).  i didn't know . . . and about guys crying: i know guys cry,
believe me!  this guy i 'dated' last year cried often and publicly . . . it
was one of the resons i liked him so much, because he was so sensitive. =)
anyway, i really didn't mean to offend anyone, so if i did, i'm sorry.  what
i ment (and i admit i didn't make very clear . . . tsk tsk) was that some of
the songs fit the girl to girl thing better than the girl to guy thing.  i
didn't mean that it was all obviously about women and that it made no sense
being about guys.  don't think that.  i relate their songs to guys all the
time and it fits perfectly fine in those situations . . . sometimes better in
those situations than when relating to girls. . . i don't know . . .
if you want to, for some reason, please don't flame me . . . i'm too tired to
deal with that now. =)  sorry if i caused any un-pleasent feelings . . .

-elizabeth

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subject:      left me a fool

when i first got stange fire, for some reason this song became one of my
favorite songs...then it somehow got lost among the many other wonderful
songs that a + e have created.  i remember trying to figure out what they
were trying to say years ago, and listening to it again today made me wonder
again.

is it about someone who won't open up? "i remember how i spend all my energy
and time with affected conversation, trying to pry inside your mind, you are
as beautiful as truth and as empty as a shell, and i came to you one night
and it made me feel like hell."  maybe  someone who won't come out and the
lover is unhappy about this... "i resign myself to silence.  i will never
blow your cover.  no one ever has to know hwo the hero took for lover."

does this person have family and friends who don't know about their life yet
think that they do because of the mystery this person throws out..
"everybody loves you, and they want to know your story, you go riding out a
mystery, concealed in all your glory, but when it comes to flesh and bones,
you remind me of shallot, only made of shadows, even though you're not."

does this person just go from person to person, not caring what happens to
them?  "how many you've left behind, how many casualities there are."

is it "pride" or is it fear that keeps this person closed off from the world.

any thoughts?
peace
tucker(who has no time to do this, but it is better than picking up that
book i don't understand!!!:))


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because you'd cry your eyes out
if you didn't
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>
> have an indigo year!
> love,
> the bg, who wants to see alla y'all pnws sunday!  let's really freak out
> carolyn's roommate! ;)

she's prepared.  :)  it's my non-list friends that are coming that i'm
worried about...   :)

see you,

cc

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  i'm going to reply to this message with the knowledge that my msg will
probably get to the list many hours after i send it, and everyone will
already have said all this. but here i go anyway...
  lmaf seems to me to be all about a person obsessed with image. she
spends her life trying to become the beloved hero, and doesn't even
realize that she should be building the layers of self inside in order to
be come a full person. is this making sense? i think it's a typical
situation, particularly with young ppl who are still developing (esp in
high school). there's always a person who everyone admires from afar, and
no one really knows much about. emily decides to find out what's behind
the mask (that's just so emily, isn't it?), and she finds nothing. the
song is all about her disappointment in that discovery.
  it also seems like she started to feel like she was getting to know the
hero-figure pretty well, getting through one layer at a time ("oh to reach
through all your surface"). maybe she felt like if she shared a very
inner piece of herself with the person ("i came to you one night," "you
swallowed up my heart" etc), the person would also let emily
see their inner side. if i used "she" pronouns for both of them, this
would get confusing.
  maybe i'm wrong, but i also get the feeling that emily is saddened and
hurt by that individual's apathy. emily put so much into the
relationship-type-thing and recieved nothing in return, except for the
person saying "hey, don't tell anyone about this... they might, you know,
_think_ something about us..." ... i know i'm going off on a tangent of my
own imagination and this is getting really long.
  i guess that's pretty much how i interpret the song.
                             -julie

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subject:      re: epic site
in-reply-to:  <32dd9b61.7049@warwick.net> from "jonny wu" at jan 15,
              97 10:07:13 pm

jonny wu wrote:
>
> hey everyone,
>
>         i just visited the updated epic site and it made me feel kind of dumb.
> i thought i knew basically what was going to be on the new album but
> then they mentioned the songs "burn all the letters" and "shed your
> skin".  were these songs played on the demo tour and if so, at which
> shows.  i went to a show and have many of the boots from the demo tour
> but i don't recall hearing about "burn all the letters" and "shed your
> skin".  can someone enlighten me? pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease?

i'm assuming that these are entirely new songs, written or at least completed
in the studio, so that they weren't played at all on the demo tour. i've
heard all the songs on mapped already, so i'm happy to know there's more
surprises to come!

tom

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date:         thu, 16 jan 1997 17:19:15 -0500
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subject:      re: left me a fool
x-to:         galileo <tbranham@richmond.edu>
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on thu, 16 jan 1997, galileo wrote:

> when i first got stange fire, for some reason this song became one of my
> favorite songs...then it somehow got lost among the many other wonderful
> songs that a + e have created.  i remember trying to figure out what they
> were trying to say years ago, and listening to it again today made me wonder
> again.
>
> is it about someone who won't open up? "i remember how i spend all my energy
> and time with affected conversation, trying to pry inside your mind, you are
> as beautiful as truth and as empty as a shell, and i came to you one night
> and it made me feel like hell."  maybe  someone who won't come out and the
i can relate here<g> here is my straight male spin on it<mg<  some folks
are a mystery(like me<g>) and folks sit and try to figure them out like
what goes on inside their head what r they thinking etc etc  you are as
beutifull as truth would refer to what these folks say  gems of truth or
wisdom they spout when they do speak (one of my own personal favs i use is
your never alone as long as u have yoruself its when u cant stand yoruself
that u r truely alone) empty as a shell refers to she came across of the
folks folks who know folks love a mystery uses it to get into
relationships or whatever she finnaly gets inside and finds nothgn liek
going to see a movie that is hyped and u walk out goign thats it

> lover is unhappy about this... "i resign myself to silence.  i will never
> blow your cover.  no one ever has to know hwo the hero took for lover."
>
this is self explanitory she wont tell others what she found out no one
has to know who the hero took for a lover this hero is a person who does
and does ofr others comes to their rescue as it were and is descret abouty
their relationships


> "everybody loves you, and they want to know your story, you go riding out a
> mystery, concealed in all your glory, but when it comes to flesh and bones,
> you remind me of shallot, only made of shadows, even though you're not."
eaisly explained eveyrboyd loves  a mystery the life of the party etc they
want to know yoru story they wanna figure ou out you dont talk about
youself u go ridign out a myster concelled in all yoru glory means your a
great guy you help out folks hence yoru glory but yoru still that mystery
when it comes to flesh and bones u remind me of shallot only made of
shadows even though you not refers to your show and no substance you have
this wonderfull exterior with nothing inside


>
> does this person just go from person to person, not caring what happens to
> them?  "how many you've left behind, how many casualities there are."
this part here isnt really how many you ve left behind how many casualties
there are think of this the star that burns the brightest dies the fastest
perhaps is the folks who left him or her i know there are many left behind
many causualities as it were in my wake but not by mo choice or my falut

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date:         thu, 16 jan 1997 18:01:37 -0500
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subject:      re: left me a fool

tucker, thanks for posting your thoughts insights and questions on this
song .. it's one of my favorites :)

there are two ways i think of this song ..

the first, think of in highschool, the many different cliques that form,
and the popular people or whatever... i see the lover shrouding her/himself
in glamour and mystery to become the person everyone wants to know about,
be friends with, confide in .. and yet, when she really gets close, it was
all just a mirage and they really have no real depth, just superficiality.
perhaps also, speaking of a society  where some people are cool, and others
are not, if she perhaps is not among the elite folk, and this hero
condescendingly becomes friendly with her .. is it hurting his/her status
by doing so? do they keep it secret? if so .. then she is really being
played the fool..


i think that these are thoughts that most people think of .. a person who
is fairly stereotypical: very superficial, and not deep at all ..

but let me give you another side to the song .. just a more personal one..

"i remember how i spend all my energy
and time with affected conversation, trying to pry inside your mind, you are
as beautiful as truth and as empty as a shell, and i came to you one night
and it made me feel like hell."

a young man i knew and dated in high school reminds me terribly of this
song .. he had a lot of different problems growing up and had some major
self worth problems.. this kind of caused him to do a lot of things to
bring attention to himself. some things he would do to make you worry about
him, he would do really strange things just to be different as well (but is
there anyone who is not guilty of that? hmmm?). i tried to help him by
loving him and showing him what a good worthy guy he was .. but it came
down to this: he had to learn to love himself, he had to discover that he
was worth loving. and until he did, he didn't have much to give to others..
he could only take. i would find myself totally drained by his constant
demands for attention and love and reassurance.. which i could handle
(barely) .. but he couldn't ever support me in the problems i had and
suffered with ... sometimes i think of him in this song, because in the end
he got what he wanted, ultimate attention, when i was completely drained of
energy trying to deal with him, and my needs were not being met. i felt the
fool...

"i remember how i spend all my energy
and time with affected conversation, trying to pry inside your mind, you are
as beautiful as truth and as empty as a shell, and i came to you one night
and it made me feel like hell."

whenever that lines sings through my heart, i think of him and a night i
went  to him, and bared my soul, and fears and problems. i needed comfort
and reassurance, but i never got it from him. he would twist it around to
be about him in some way. or my problems were never as big as his and
didn't merit the attention from him that his did... i hope he finally
learned that he is somebody worth loving and worrying about..


ok .. i'm coming back from reminiscing 101, and those of you who have read
this far, if  you have any insight into my past love life, i'd love to hear
it, along with other interps of this beautiful song ...


cheers

amy

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date:         thu, 16 jan 1997 18:53:48 est
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subject:      mapped wanted

somehow, i managed to miss the offer for the mapped compilation, and i
decided i must have it. respond privately if you have it and want to do a
trade!
kirsten


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date:         thu, 16 jan 1997 19:32:30 -0500
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subject:      literature and ig

hey all
i have quite a dilemma and i am looking for help.

i am a canadian high school biology, science and math teacher, who was just
informed she has to teach a grade 12 general level (as opposed to advanced
level) english course! (yes, tami, unfortunately it is true.)

now, while i did take english throughout hs and one course in university, i
have practically no resources to help.  i know that there must be loads of
english people out there (maybe even a teacher or two?).

anyway, these are the major works:
macbeth
death of a salesman
of mice and men
all my sons
the steven truscott story
the black donnelly's

now i've read some of these (like, uh, 10 years ago or more), and will
obviously be reading like crazy soon =) but i was wondering if anyone had
anything that might help (ie. content questions, tests, essay topics, etc.
etc.).  even some of you high schoolers out there (hi katy) might have stuff
your teachers gave you.

most importantly, however, i would love to add some ig content to my
lessons!  can anyone think of any ig connections at all, that might relate
to any of the above works?

please email me if you can help, i have lots of bootlegs (and science stuff)
for thank you's.....

eternally grateful,
lori

ps. can we add to the "administrative requests should not be sent to the
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subject:      nigc: ani difranco

hey yall!  hope everyone is having a great day!  got a question for
yall... does anyone have any ani boots that they want to trade?  i have
the falcon ridge folk fest 95 and lots of ig boots (not compared to some,
but i still have a few)  if anyone is intereted in a trade email me
privately, thanx    have a great week=-)

nick (ndishler@mail.bcpl.lib.md.us)

where am i?

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date:         thu, 16 jan 1997 16:49:51 -0800
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subject:      re: left me a fool ( long... sorry )
x-to:         galileo <tbranham@richmond.edu>

ooo ooo ooo... a song-of-the-day kinda post!!!
i'm all a-tingle:-)
at 04:26 pm 1/16/97 -0500, tucker wrote:
> listening to it again today made me wonder
>again.
funny, cause i got in a "gawd my cupboards are full of garbage!" mood... and
put on strange fire too. i turned up the volume + set to work whilst singing
along loudly... i'm fairly certain that the people upstairs really liked the
cd, since i could hear the loud and rytmatic thumping of their feet on the
floor with every notch i turned the volume up... i think they were
dancing:)... they kept yelling too... hmmm... such enthusiasm... perhaps
that loud insistant screaming at bumbershoot was *them*... odd, tho. i
expect ig fans to be a friendly, happy sort, but when i saw them later they
just scowled at me when i said "hey"... and all that unsightly cotton in
their ears... they are *weird*
anyhoo...
>is it about someone who won't open up? "i remember how i spend all my energy
>and time with affected conversation, trying to pry inside your mind,
nu uh... you know how it is when you meet someone who you think is so
fascinating + wonderful, and you spend hours + hours in "affected
conversation" ( talking about things he/she is interested in and putting you
best foot forward, so that you are of interest to that person...it's all
affectation ) getting to know him/her... "prying inside his/her mind"...
<kim bursts into off key singing> "getting to know you... getting to know
all about you...la la la" well, anyhoo... sometimes that works and you end
up in a great relationship with a multi faceted, intelligent and fascinating
lover... on the other hand, you can end up wasting a whole bunch of time out
of your life, pouring all your energies into a bottomless pit... it's awaful
to fall in love with someone and then, once you really do get to know that
person realize that he/she is just an empty shell... beautiful + desireable
on the outside, but completely devoid of depth... humanity. fluff...
it's hard... very hard to realize that this person you've devoted all your
time + emotions to, and given your heart to, is *not* the person you wanted
him/her to be as you viewed him/her through the rosey gaze of infatuation...
he/she is not a "bigger than life" hero after all. hence, the line: "but
you'd better close your eyes when it's time for them to die, cause you'd
hate to think the life you built upon them was a lie"
we've discussed this song before, quite a few months back and talked about
the mythical city of shalot... a city of shadows... beautiful, but not
really tangible... out of touch to mere mortals...
>you are
>as beautiful as truth and as empty as a shell, and i came to you one night
>and it made me feel like hell."  maybe  someone who won't come out and the
>lover is unhappy about this...
umm... maybe it's the building up of someone in your mind... turning her/him
into a god/goddess, then...*pffft*: major let down when you discover how
mediocre he/she is... or ultimate humiliation when he/she tosses you off as
just another fling... and moves on to "bigger, better things"  orrrrr, it
would be incredibly uncomfortable for a lesbian who is out + accustomed to
it, to be trapped once more in the closeted world of secrecy inhabited by
someone who's work and public appearance would always come before her
relationships...that would definatly feel like hell. ummm, more on that
thought lies in the next line:
>"i resign myself to silence.  i will never
>blow your cover.  no one ever has to know hwo the hero took for lover."
it sounds as if the person emily writes about is a public figure. the
knowledge of her sexuality could be ultimatly destructive to that person's
career, so the relationship with emily must be kept a secret. that's always
been the impression i got from the song, anyhow.
of course, it's odd that emily says "one" night... does that indicate a one
night thing, or the first night in a series of nights?...
ummm... anyhoo, i really *have* rattled on now, havn't i?? ah well... those
who minded woulda' already hit delete...
peace... kim in pr

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date:         thu, 16 jan 1997 20:09:33 -0500
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from:         jennifer palumbo <bellepal@aol.com>
subject:      re: elton john's daniel (nigc)

in a message dated 97-01-15 16:39:16 est, you write:

<< he went on to say that everyone always misinterpreted this song,
because the information that explained everything was in the last verse,
but because the song was so long, they had to cut out the last verse. >>

i find that really intriguing and would be very interested in hearing the
last verse.  i must point out that the song even in the known state implies
that the two were brothers.

"daniel, my brother you are older than me, do you still feel the pain of the
scars that won't heal?"

  granted "brother is not necess. literal, but the song does give that
impression.  i've always assumed that it was.  one also gets the impression
of war.  "your eyes have died, but you see more than i, daniel you're a
star....."
it seems that the things that daniel had seen were the terrors of life, the
vietnam war specifically.  the seeing is like a worldly intrinsic truth  that
one only experiences first hand in a traumatic situation, like war.

....just a few thoughts.

jennifer

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subject:      re: left me a fool

in a message dated 97-01-16 18:05:52 est, you write:

<< whenever that lines sings through my heart, i think of him and a night i
went  to him, and bared my soul, and fears and problems. i needed comfort
and reassurance, but i never got it from him. he would twist it around to
be about him in some way. or my problems were never as big as his and
didn't merit the attention from him that his did... i hope he finally
learned that he is somebody worth loving and worrying about..
  >>
i think i can relate to your story, and actually have a similar view on the
song because of that.  i'm dealing with a sort of similar thing.  my best
friend now was once that mysterious life of the party type boy.  his passion
drew me too him.  i have to say that this strange attraction was present the
first time he walked into the room, the first time i met him.  anyway....here
it is 3 and 1/2 years later and i'd be lying if i didn't say i was in love
with him.  i would continue the story but it's long and we all have them.  i
guess im just saying that i relate and understand completely.

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from:         anna hidalgo <ahidalgo@portalinc.com>
subject:      re: il postino

jessica wrote:
>i find it very interesting that emily liked "the postman" so much.  i just
>saw it last week, and left the theatre bawling (it finally came to the
>dollar theatre!).

i loved this movie too, and was thrilled when i read that it's one of
emily's favorites from this past year. i thought it was extremely moving in
a subtle way ... by the way, there's a soundtrack out which features some
great actors (glenn close, ralph fiennes, miranda richardson, willem dafoe)
reading neruda's poems -- i highly recommend it to everyone.

neruda is one of my favorite poets ... i particularly love his later poems,
collected in _the sea and the bells_. he has a very sensual style. i also
admire the way he lived his life -- he was politically active and outspoken,
and wasn't afraid to pay the price for it. (hmmmm, does that sound like two
women we know? :)

okay, if anyone's interested in continuing a conversation about 'il postino'
and/or mr. neruda and his poetry, please e-mail me privately ...

anna

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date:         thu, 16 jan 1997 22:22:23 -0500
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subject:      (nigc) shameless plug - minneapolis

hey minneapoltons,

my japanese drumming (taiko) group will be performing in a cross-cultural
collaboration with native american drummers, singers and poets this weekend
at intermedia arts on 28th and lyndale. it should be an interesting mix of
cultural music and spoken word. we will play at 8:00 p.m. fri, sat and sun
and the charge at the door is $8. if you check it out, be sure to say hi
after the show.

thanks,
connie
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subject:      (nigc) searching for internship in boston...

dear sisters and brothers...

because this list serves a wide range of diverse people globally, i
figured that y'all would be a good source to ask...i'm looking for summer
internships combining public interest work and legal advocacy for women
and people of color in the boston area...i'm a woman of color earning her
master's...please respond privately to "kshucks@juno.com"...thank you in
advance...take care, @=d jen

***********************action*************equality*************peace***************************
jenny korn ~ thailand, alabama, boston
~~know of summer internships combining public interest work & legal
advocacy
for women and minorities in the boston area?   please contact me!~~
~~want free email access (juno, no mlm)? please email me!~~
kshucks@juno.com

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subject:      wendy bucklew says howdy

hello from wendy.  i'm back in my home state of california for a permanent
move!  i'll be doing shows now up and down the west coast starting january
23 at genghis cantina in los angeles.  my buddy lorene, who some of you may
know, has set up an e-mail mailing list for me.  so, you can sign up for my
e-mail or snail mail list at: wendy@flylive.com.  i'll also be getting
online myself this year so i can communicate with you or answer questions
better.  i've recorded a new cd called "asleep in the swing."  i hope you
like the new stuff.  it should be out this year -- hopefully, soon.  it's
great to be home: closer to the sea and my roots.  the trip out here with
four cats and everything i own in the vanagon was an interesting experience
but already i know this was no mistake.  come out to the shows if you can --
i'll see you there!

peace and luck in love,

wendy

(wendy bucklew website: http://www.hidwater.com/wendy)

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subject:      center stage and mystery (plea)

i will be eternally grateful to anyone who provides me with live versions of
these songs. i had cs on tape, but it got eaten, darn it. :-( if you have
either or both, reply and i'll send you my bootlist.
kirsten


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subject:      jcs video vs. cd's

hi all...
i was just wondering... of the folks out there who have seen the jcs
video and heard the cd's as well, which version of the music do people
prefer?  i mean, there are definitely some differences in the way some
of the songs were performed on stage vs. the way they were recorded in
the studio.  any thoughts?
take it easy
carrie
(who loves both versions, of course)
"e-gad!  is that your brain?"
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subject:      jcs versions

carrie...and whomever else...i prefer the live version (of course, we are
limited to the austin version) simply because i think artists of that
caliber, and in general, perform more from the heart (for lack of a better
cliche) when live.  however, an aside...when we first hear some studio
recordings, we get used to them...and when we see or hear live versions, it
is so darn hard to sing along.  or am i the only fool who tries?

just my 3 yen...

______________________________________________________________________________
                                sara mccutchen
                             10-22-502 ikeda-cho
                        nishinomiya-shi, hyogo-ken 662
                                     japan
                                 sbeth@gol.com


                "let me die trying...if i fall at least my heart
                will have been true. let me die trying...i can't
                cry tomorrow if i do."   --kristen hall

                "we act empty and innocent, we are fueled by dis-
                tortions (i remember you when we were shiny and
                new) of lives led in discontent, trading misfor-
                tunes (now you guard your faith) cause faith is
                one thing that is hard to deliver (temper your
                speed).  it feels funny being free."  --amy ray
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subject:      maybe someone can help me here

so this is my third post, and not so many folks have taken my words to
thought.  such is life.

anyhow, the point of me wasting this space is......i met the love of my
life this summer.  we took the opposite route than most people...got to
know each other completely in a short time, living life for the sake of
living.  we watched the moonrise, the sunrise over south lamar bridge in
austin...found animals and such in the shadows of trees on the night
sky...drove aimlessly thru the rolling hills of central tejas...etc.  mush
mush--the point is, she knows how much i care.  i know she cares.  she is
not as passionate about correspondence as i...she is now dating someone
else, yet tells me she loves me.  (understandable...i am living in japan
now)...i was wondering, if you have read thru the story...what is the best
song (ig or not) to describe this...to make it hit home how much i want to
be with her.

if ever you need me, kris mckay...been there done that.  left it up to me,
ig...i can't seem to find the one.

thanks for reading thru my sorrow.  email me here or privately, no matter.

sara

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                                sara mccutchen
                             10-22-502 ikeda-cho
                        nishinomiya-shi, hyogo-ken 662
                                     japan
                                 sbeth@gol.com


                "let me die trying...if i fall at least my heart
                will have been true. let me die trying...i can't
                cry tomorrow if i do."   --kristen hall

                "we act empty and innocent, we are fueled by dis-
                tortions (i remember you when we were shiny and
                new) of lives led in discontent, trading misfor-
                tunes (now you guard your faith) cause faith is
                one thing that is hard to deliver (temper your
                speed).  it feels funny being free."  --amy ray
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date:         fri, 17 jan 1997 09:17:07 -0400
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subject:      my last ej/daniel post; nff'96

in a message dated 97-01-16 20:09:33 est, jennifer wrote:

>i find that really intriguing and would be very interested in hearing the
>last verse.

since so many have asked, i thought i'd say this to the list:
unfortunately, elton didn't offer up the last verse on rosie's show...he
just said it was there in the original version, but they had to cut it out,
which was unfortunate because it would've explained a lot.  sorry
everyone...i don't know the last verse!

also, someone asked me a while back for a copy of nff'96, and i said to
wait, 'cuz i was having my copy remastered and put on two cdr's.  well,
i've gone and lost your email.  i got the cdr's yesterday, and it sounds
much better than the tape i have.  mystery person:  do you still want a
copy?  let me know...email me privately!

have a wunnerful ig day!

joni-kins  (not yknib)   ;o)

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subject:      las cruces boot

at the end of "cut it out", is that amy singing?  it sounds like
her, but she usually doesn't sing that high, so i wondered if it was
emily.  then, that seemed odd 'cause usually the one who wrote the
song ends it.  anyway, this has been bugging me since christmas break
when i listened to the boot constantly. (it was the only ig i had
brought home with me - grrr...)

anna

"i don't know the key to sucess, but the key to failure
is trying to please everybody."  -bill cosby


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subject:      re: left me a fool

what has really stood out about this song for me is the line(s):
        everybody loves a hero
        an image to create
        the antithesis of everything
        inside ourselves we hate
        but you'd better close your eyes
        when it's time for them to die
        because you'd hate to think the life
        you'd built upon them was a lie

i have a tendancy to create "heroes".  people that i know and spend time with
on a regular basis sometimes become like "heroes" to me - sort of role models.
one such "hero" had a problem with this because it made her feel
uncomfortable.  then for about a year, she and i were nearly half a planet
apart.  when we finally did meet up again, it was as if she was a totally
different person.  then i realized that who i thought she was was only in my
mind.  it hurt to realize this, and now we hardly ever speak to each other.
this was someone i thought i could look up to, but when i really opened my
eyes, i saw that she was human.

i'm not saying that this is what emily was writing about, since i haven't had
the privalege of reading her mind, but this is what i connect to about the
song when i hear it.

anna


"every person who is truely an actor desires to create
inside of himself another, deeper, more interesting life
than the one that actually surrounds him."
                        -constanin stanislavsky


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subject:      this train revised

okay.. i'd be insulting all of you if i assumed you didn't realize that
'this train revised' is about the holocaust.. so i will assume that you
know. this song has great meaning for me. this past spring, i visited
the concentration camps in poland.. auschwitz, treblinka, and majdanek.
this song was one that i sometimes sung to myself.. i was wondering if
anyone knows the inspiration to amy and emily to write this song. are
either of them jewish? the song.. it's sort of like a living memorial..
"this train is bound for glory"- though they died, their memory lives
on. i'm glad that a&e wrote that song.. rhere are many 'folk' type songs
about the holocaust, but not a 'rock' or 'pop' song, a mainstream song.
i'm really glad it was written.
-georgy

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on fri, 17 jan 1997, georgy v. cohen wrote:

> okay.. i'd be insulting all of you if i assumed you didn't realize that
> 'this train revised' is about the holocaust.. so i will assume that you
> know. this song has great meaning for me. this past spring, i visited
> the concentration camps in poland.. auschwitz, treblinka, and majdanek.
> this song was one that i sometimes sung to myself.. i was wondering if
> anyone knows the inspiration to amy and emily to write this song. are
> either of them jewish? the song.. it's sort of like a living memorial..
> "this train is bound for glory"- though they died, their memory lives
> on. i'm glad that a&e wrote that song.. rhere are many 'folk' type songs
> about the holocaust, but not a 'rock' or 'pop' song, a mainstream song.
>
they did not write this song. it's old, but i don't know where it came
from.

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subject:      re: this train revised

>they did not write this song. it's old, but i don't know where it came
>from.

actually amy did write the whole song except for the title line "this train
is bound for glory"  is from an old woody guthrie song.  amy wrote the song
after visiting the holocaust museum in washington d.c.  the museum is very
moving and there is one point where you walk through a box car that people
were put in and gassed.  she uses woody's lyric, i believe, because the
nazis used to tell the people that they were being taken to a better land
when they were shoved in the box cars.  the whole song is pretty haunting
when you think about it and so is the museum.  one thing that the museum
emphisizes is the fact that, though jews make up the majority of the people
killed in the holocaust, there are many others and it seems like amy is
really trying to convey that in the song.

hope this helps!!
rob

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in a message dated 97-01-17 10:22:51 est, drew (?) wrote:

<< they did not write this song. it's old, but i don't know where it came
from.
  >>

woody guthrie :)
he was, like, a really famous folk singer (hee, hee)
actualy (hence the adendum...."revised" in the title)
amy built onto the song with her lyrics about the holocaust
the only remnant of the original tune is the chorus
"this train is bound for glory"
dint' someone post guthries original lyrics a whiiiile back ?
it would be cool to hear them back to back liveinconcert ! :)

surrey on down !
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subject:      re: this train

        correctamundo to whomever said tt is not an ig song.   i'm pretty
sure it was originally an african american folk song talking about the
slave train, or at least that's what i've thought for all these years.
come on, prove me wrong, i dare ya!  for sure the original didn't have the
words "fish white belly" in it.  amy just made it all inclusive.  she's so
cool like that.  actually, i started singing the ig version in an elem. ed.
music class & the people all turned around looking at me like i had just
arrived from mars while they were boom-chucking their way through the
original on guitar.
        we're having a  japan/ texan list party (2 of us) this weekend and
we're trading boots (2 of them) thanks to greta & maureen!
yeeeeeehaaaaaaw! break out the sushi & sake!  now, of course, i'm gonna
have the original tt running through my head all night.  oh well.  catch
y'all later. -maren

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actually, they did write the song.  while it's based on an old gospel
song, this train, the lyrical content of the gospel song is covered, and
changed, in the chorus of ttr.  the gospel song, according to me, about
two things, a) the train to heaven, and b) the underground railroad during
the slave era.  amy has made significant changes in both lyrical content
and musical, as well as completely changing the meaning of the song.  she
wrote it, i hear, about a visit she took to the holocaust museum in
washington dc.  neither are jewish.

peace and good fruit,
chris ii
>
> > okay.. i'd be insulting all of you if i assumed you didn't realize that
> > 'this train revised' is about the holocaust.. so i will assume that you
> > know. this song has great meaning for me. this past spring, i visited
> > the concentration camps in poland.. auschwitz, treblinka, and majdanek.
> > this song was one that i sometimes sung to myself.. i was wondering if
> > anyone knows the inspiration to amy and emily to write this song. are
> > either of them jewish? the song.. it's sort of like a living memorial..
> > "this train is bound for glory"- though they died, their memory lives
> > on. i'm glad that a&e wrote that song.. rhere are many 'folk' type songs
> > about the holocaust, but not a 'rock' or 'pop' song, a mainstream song.
> >
> they did not write this song. it's old, but i don't know where it came
> from.
>
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subject:      re: this train revised

i think drew is wrong, this train revised is apparently loosely based
around woody guthrie's this train, but amy definitely wrote it.
this is what she said on a world cafe appearance (i got this article
from the hidden water site):

interviewer:   we're back on the world cafe and amy and
emily from the indigo girls have joined us.  the new album
"swamp ophelia" is just out and the record industry is devouring
it and dissecting it and thinking about it (emily and amy laugh)
and making these two people nervous about it.  you know amy
in many ways, not to slight emily's songs, but you're the one
who's really pushing things lyricly and musically on this record.
i mean you really tackle some deep subjects,  i mean not to
many songs about the holocaust - light pop songs.

amy:  well...i mean some of the stuff that emily and i wrote
about on this record i think is similar thematically as far as
growing up, dealing with the past...but, yeah i did tackle the
holocaust.  i mean, i went to the museum and i felt compelled
to get something out of my system and then  i realized i was
writing a song type of thing and we both wanted to put it on
the record.  and that's really you know the only specifically
sort of rough topic i've ever tackled that was so specific like
that.

interviewer:   well i was thinking that "dead man's hill" is not
really an easy song.

amy:   yeah, i didn't know i was going to tackle that one
though so that just came as a surprise.

interviewer:  had you seen schindler's list around the same time?

amy:  uh-uh.  i didn't actually.

interviewer:   cause the image of the train is so much a part of
that film too.

amy:  i took holocaust course at emory university and the train
image was very heavy in that course.  cause the film's constant
barrage of trains and then the museum obviously features that
as a large...that's one of the things that you do that has the most
impact.  when you walk into the boxcar and stuff.

interviewer:  ah...i haven't been there.  oh god...

amy:  yeah.

interviewer:  well let's play it cause its not going to be an easy
one to do today.  so this is "this train revised" from "swamp
ophelia".

amy:  o.k.

(album version of "this train revised")

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in a message dated 97-01-17 04:29:39 est, sara wrote:

<< carrie...and whomever else...i prefer the live version (of course, we are
limited to the austin version) simply because i think artists of that
caliber, and in general, perform more from the heart (for lack of a better
cliche) when live.   >>

you know....i got the vid and only saw it once (so sue me !!!
i've been busy and no time to do anything that reuires 'sitting'
and 'watching'-it might take away from email time :)
but isawtheshowlive!!!!! (hee,hee) (3times) hee,hee
it was interesting to see how the enegry changed from night to night.
the first night was high energy, the second night they were plagued
with tech problems and i think that may have thrown them off (either
that or the energy didn't reach the bleachers....i was closer for the other
two)
the last night was really high energy aand had kind of a
poignency it that i can't describe. [ about the second night -i also have
this fear that i can't enjoy a show unless i'm taking pictures
{and i wasn't that night}...my brian just gets flooded with sooo
much stimuli and the left side of my brain whines the whole time
about missing out on participating in it :(]
but .......anyway.
i was suprised to read in the program...or some press thing (can't remember)
that the musicians came in and recorded their parts one at a time....so ...
you know that part where judas and jesus are having it out at the
last supper ????? i was amazed that they weren't doing that physically(sp?)
at the same time...together...looking into each others eyes....intently.
to moi it sounds as if it is.  that way.
so i guess what i am rambling about is that this recording has a
whole lot of energy goin' on...and i'm usually the in 'live version'
camp. though it's nice to have that image of the woman from dew
playing that wicked mean 'lectric geetar as the sun set over the
puget sound and the sea breeze blew her lacy white poodle-esque
'puffy girl' dress, set off by those lovely boots and black motorcycle
jacket.
damn...wish i hada picture of that !
(guess i just remember that part in my heart <g>)
i like em both ...but i do like the studio version of bmhawk bestest.
arf wah !
your miss binky
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on fri, 17 jan 1997, drew vogel wrote:

(re:  this train)
> they did not write this song. it's old, but i don't know where it came
> from.

"this train" appears to be an afro-american gospel tune, probably from
late 19th / early 20th century, as it refers to "no jim crow and no
discrimination".   there have probably been countless covers of the song,
but two well known ones are by woody guthrie and the blues/gospel singer
and guitarist, sister rosetta tharpe.

mat

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on fri, 17 jan 1997, georgy v. cohen wrote:

> okay.. i'd be insulting all of you if i assumed you didn't realize that
> 'this train revised' is about the holocaust.. so i will assume that you
> know. this song has great meaning for me. this past spring, i visited
> the concentration camps in poland.. auschwitz, treblinka, and majdanek.
> this song was one that i sometimes sung to myself.. i was wondering if
> anyone knows the inspiration to amy and emily to write this song. are
> either of them jewish? the song.. it's sort of like a living memorial..
> "this train is bound for glory"- though they died, their memory lives
> on. i'm glad that a&e wrote that song.. rhere are many 'folk' type songs
> about the holocaust, but not a 'rock' or 'pop' song, a mainstream song.
> i'm really glad it was written.

no, neither of them are jewish, in fact, both of them come from christian
backgrounds (emily's father, don saliers, is a methodist minister and
professor who has written books on the subject).   the song was inspired
by a visit to the holocaust museum in (i think) washington, dc.

incidentally, the ig faq claims that the people reading off names at the
beginning of the song are amy, emily, michael lorant and ferron.   are the
people who wrote the faq sure it was ferron, and if so, why wasn't she
credited?   surely there must have been some kind of agreement between
warners or earthbeat and epic/sony to allow her to appear on someone
else's record?

mat

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subject:      texas demo tour boots

anybody got any???  rumors are there is a least a boot of the austin
performance.

i was at the austin and dallas shows, but too ignornat to boot.

can someone please fill me in on the finer techniques of booting a show?
what kind of recording equipment does one use, how do you usually get the
equipment into the concert, and is there a best place to record from in an
indoor arena?  outdoors?

        somebody out there knows something!  there's too many boots out
there for it to be otherwise.

have an indigo day!

chickenman
i      tony "the chickenman" @:-} houston, tx                  g
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g      we are fortunate ones fortunate ones i swear  - ar      s
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from:         kirsten chevalier <kirsten@spike.wellesley.edu>
subject:      re: this train revised
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              "drew vogel" at jan 17, 97 10:13 am

> they did not write this song. it's old, but i don't know where it came
> from.
well, that's not exactly true. amy wrote this train (revised), but the song
this train (is bound for glory), which it is obviously based on ("this train is
bound for glory..."), is a traditional folk song, i believe; woody guthrie was
the first person to rewrite and popularize it. peter, paul and mary also
popularized it back in the '60s.
kirsten

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>incidentally, the ig faq claims that the people reading off names at the
>beginning of the song are amy, emily, michael lorant and ferron.   are the
>people who wrote the faq sure it was ferron, and if so, why wasn't she
>credited?   surely there must have been some kind of agreement between
>warners or earthbeat and epic/sony to allow her to appear on someone
>else's record?

i don't know why she wasn't credited, but it is definitely ferron reading
the names.  when we were putting the faq together, i was certain i
recognized ferron's voice, but because she wasn't credited, i was asked to
do some research to verify my hunch (there is an interview where amy said
they asked ferron to do some reading for them, but because she wasn't
listed in the credits, we didn't want to go on that alone). i am also on
the ferron mailing list so i sought help from the woman who runs the list.
it's much different from this list in that it's run with the blessing of
ferron and her management. anyway, she was able to confirm with ferron's
manager who asked ferron who confirmed that she indeed read some of the
names. how's that for doing our homework? the faq team is more than just a
group of pretty faces :)

deb

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subject:      re: this train revised

wow !!! i didn't know that part about the gospel song !!!!
that's really cool...so then did guthrie also revise his version or
is he singin' the original gospel version ?

bink-a-boo

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subject:      train

hello.....peter paul and mary
'nuff said
(sheesh.......'dehos)
no offense....i'm p.m.s'in

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        when you learn to love yourself
> > on. i'm glad that a&e wrote that song.. rhere are many 'folk' type songs
> > about the holocaust, but not a 'rock' or 'pop' song, a mainstream song.
> >
> they did not write this song. it's old, but i don't know where it came
> from.
>
whilst it is true that amy did not write the music for this train she did
re write the lyrics - hence the revised ...

the original this train was performed by peter paul and mary

i've trawled through my hard drive and can't find the orig. lyrics i know
they've been posted before - can anybody do the honours ...

later

jules

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subject:      in need of guitar advice (nigc)

hey, guitar people!
i need some help.  i have never played the guitar, but i am dying to learn
how.  a guy from my school is offering a red peavy patriot guitar for $125.
he says it is a good guitar for beginners (that would be me!!! =) and i am
wondering how good of a guitar it is.
i am not looking for one that will last me the rest of my life-- only one
that will tell me if i am able to turn my passion into talent and $125 seems
reasonable for that.
if anyone could tell me (asap) if i should call the guy, please e-mail me!!!
thanks!!!!!!
always,
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from:         indigo jo <mts5@aber.ac.uk>
subject:      re: this train
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in-reply-to:  <v01540b06af05dcaafe26@[202.247.56.76]>

on sat, 18 jan 1997, maren wrote:

>         correctamundo to whomever said tt is not an ig song.   i'm pretty
> sure it was originally an african american folk song talking about the
> slave train, or at least that's what i've thought for all these years.

actually i think the 'train' is being used as a metaphor for going to
heaven, which is why it "don't ride nothin' but the righteous and the
holy" - the idea being that those who practise discrimination, corruption
and klannery aren't allowed to ride on it.   (i'm talking about the
original version here - not amy ray's version, obviously.)

mat

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from:         steve ellis <sellis@ra.msstate.edu>
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subject:      festival of the arts

    i am steve ellis, general manager of wmsv-fm, a 14,000 watt radio
station on the campus of mississippi state university in starkville, ms.
    msu is the largest university in the state with over 14,000 students
and is located 90 minutes from tuscaloosa, 2 hours from birmingham and
3 hours from memphis.
    our format is a aaa/alternative mix and we air world cafe daily and
acoustic cafe every friday.  we also feature a daily program, the back
porch, that airs every monday - friday and features a3, folk, acoustic
and recorded live performances by singer-songwriters.
    i am writing because wmsv is in the process of planning a "festival
of the arts" for september 20, 1997, and we need your help.
    our station is adopting the arts and music programs at the local city
and county school systems within a three county area.  in addition to
promoting the arts at these schools, which are severely underfunded, we
also want to begin this fall an annual festival which will highlight art
and music from the local school systems and surround a day long acoustic
concert featuring local acts, up and coming national artists and top
performers in the singer-songwriter genre.  all proceeds from the
festival will be divided equally among the art and music programs of the
schools.
    this will be a true benefit in the sense that we hope to bring in
some impressive performers who will agree to support our cause and
perform for free.  please don't stop reading here.
    we are in hopes of obtaining sponsorship from an airline or travel
agent that would provide airfare for the artists.  wmsv will provide
meals and lodging for those that attend.
    one of our sponsors is a music company that would provide all of
the production and sound equipment needed for the show.  we want to hold
the concert in the university's outdoor amphitheatre which can hold
5,000 comfortably and 7,000 a little more snug.
    i realize that our best chance of getting name acts to come
perform is to find artists that will be in the area; memphis,
birmingham, nashville, jackson or little rock, and talk them into
coming over to mississippi to help us support the arts and music
programs in our schools.
    we really want to focus on the singer-songwriter genre, from the
indigo girls and shawn colvin, to dan bern, lisa mccormick and jim
lauderdale type performers.
    i am very proud of our primarily student and community volunteer
staff for their commitment to supporting arts and music programs in
the public schools.  while i am certainly aware that putting on a
festival concert of this nature is a large undertaking, it is something
my staff and i are committed to doing.  we look forward to the
first festival and watching it grow in the coming years.
    if you are an artist that would like to get some exposure in the
southern united states or are interested in joining us in our efforts
to assist the public school arts programs, please get in touch with
me as soon as possible.
    i know that there are a great number of very talented and
sincere artists in the singer-songwriter genre.  my hope is that you
can find the time to help us with our undertaking.
    please contact me if you would like to perform at our "festival
of the arts" on september 20, 1997 or if you know of someone that
would be willing to perform.
    i have been in contact with lisa mccormick who gave me some
very good ideas for the festival and who has also expressed interest
in performing at the concert.  please add your name to the list.
    thank you very much for your time and consideration, i look
forward to hearing from you.

    sincerely,


    steve ellis
    general manager
    wmsv-fm
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>
> no, neither of them are jewish, in fact, both of them come from christian
> backgrounds (emily's father, don saliers, is a methodist minister and
> professor who has written books on the subject).   the song was inspired
> by a visit to the holocaust museum in (i think) washington, dc.
>

^^^^^^^^^^^
as a matter of fact, the most definitive thing i have heard is that
neither of them is native american either.  my point being, i think it is
extra cool that they become so personally involved in issues that don't
directly affect them (they do, but not in ways we usually think of: they
started a benefit organization for na's so they're na right?).  i find
that really inspiring.

*************************************************************************
"when i say you sucked my brain out, the english translation
is i am in love with you, and it is no fun."--ani
*****gwen keyt******
seattle pacific university
bsn class of 1997
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subject:      guitar tab question (nigc)

i've been playing guitar for a long time now, but do it by ear-- i don't
know
how to use the guitar tabs that were recently posted here. i don't want
to
waste too much bandwidth, so if someone knows of a web site or book
that explains how to use them i would be very greatful for some email.

thanks,

jo
jmelnik@lucent.com

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subject:      harmony ridge music (nigc)

hey y'all! i was doing a little web surfing and i came across a very
interesting page. i don't know whether or not anyone's posted about the site
(at least at don't remember anyone posting) but i figured i'd let y'all know
about it so you could check it out. the url is http://www.rahul.net/hrmusic/
it's dedicated to female singers and songwriters. every week(?) they feature
certain artists. maybe they'll feature e&a. who knows? the page doesn't have
much on the ig. it just directs you to the sony sight. there is, however, a
really large selection of artists from which to choose. it's a good page. i
suggest y'all check it out. might answer some questions you have about
certain female artists.

jendy


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subject:      nigc:  karra baron?

if you are still on the list, will you please contact me?

thanks,
margaret
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subject:      i love you guys!(sigc)

just wanted to write you guys and tell you i did my presentation in
class today.  and of course, i wanted to thank all of you for writing
me with your suggestions- well, basically, one suggestion, "watershed"
which is what i used.  as well, i thank those of you for your theories
on frost's poem.  yes, i used them, but don't worry, i didn't take
credit.
oh, so the igc.  well, actually, not so much, just concerning one of
the threads happening now.  as soon as my partner announced the song
we had chosen was by the indigo girls, i heard some snickering from
the back of my class where the oh-so-cool guys sit.  and what was the
word that was used again?  i believe it was dykes.  well i obviously
couldn't do anything about it in the middle of my presentation, but i
wasn't about to let it go either.  so after class i went up to one of
the guys who i'm friends with and said, "what does their sexuality
have to do with the quality of their music?"  his answer was somethign
like "huh?"  so being the bitch i am i smirked, "too many big words."
anyway, i won't repeat the conversation word for word, but eventually
he agreed that if one likes their music, it doesn't really matter if
they're gay or not.  so i think i opened his mind, a little bit?
-rebecca

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on fri, 17 jan 1997, joann melnik wrote:

> i've been playing guitar for a long time now, but do it by ear-- i don't
> know
> how to use the guitar tabs that were recently posted here. i don't want
> to
> waste too much bandwidth, so if someone knows of a web site or book
> that explains how to use them i would be very greatful for some email.

hey that reminds me, i haven't done today's tab post have i?

coming up in just a few minutes ...

mat

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subject:      tab for center stage, by adam schneider

#----------------------------------please note---------------------------------#
#this file is the author's own work and represents their interpretation of the #
#song. you may only use this file for private study, scholarship, or research. #
#------------------------------------------------------------------------------##
#

#----------------------------------please note---------------------------------#
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center stage (amy ray)
----------------------
* tune both e strings down to d; no capo.
* chords: d5=000230   d7sus=000010   em7=022000   am(4)=002210   g/d=020000
          a=x02222    c(9)=x32010
* all chords are one measure, except "am(4) - g/d - d5" is one measure total.

d5    d7sus    em7    am(4) - g/d - d5
[intro]

d5            d7sus            em7             am4 - g/d - d5
laughing in a crown of jewels, numbness from a scepter's wound
d5               d7sus           em7             am4-g/d - d5
toss and turn, i spin and learn, catch yourself before you burn
d5                  d7sus     em7                am4-g/d-d5
jokers dance before the king, jangling beads, a silver ring
d5                    d7sus         em7          am4-g/d-d5
close your eyes and bare the sound, jumping up, falling down

a                  c(9)             d        am(4) - g/d - d5
falling, falling, falling, falling down
a                     c(9)            d        am(4) - g/d - d5
look yourself in the eye before you drown

royal rebels discover you; trust? you turn, there is no truth
and circle, circle, why are you scared, why a smile instead of tears?
i'm gulping smoke, i fade away, figures floating down to lay
meet the joker and the thief, the king and queen, but no relief

falling, falling, falling, falling down
look yourself in the eye before you drown
falling, falling, falling, falling down
(the king is in his counting house, counting out his money)
look yourself in the eye before you drown
(the queen is in her parlor eating bread and honey)

[guitar solo: same chords as verse]

i cross myself before i die, and the leaping man, he asked me why
well your rhythm is off, i reply, now you must dance the dance that you imply

     d5                       d7sus                  em7                  d5
your actions will follow you full circle round, your actions will follow...
     d5                       d7sus                  em7                  d5
your actions will follow you full circle round, your actions will follow...
     d5                       d7sus                  em7                  d5
your actions will follow you full circle round, your actions will follow...
     d5                       d7sus                 em7
your actions will follow you full circle round, the higher the leap
                         d5     am(4)-g/d-d5  am(4)-g/d-d5  am(4)-g/d-d5
i said, the harder the ground


guitar solo:

  d5               d7sus            em7            am(4) g/d d5
d ----------------|----------------|----------------||---/--/--------|
b ----------------|----------------|----------------|----------------|
g ----------------|----------------|----------------|0-2---2-------0-|
d 4---2-0---2---4-|--4---4-------2-|--2---2-------4-|--0---0-----4---|
a ----------------|----------------|----------------|------0---------|
d ----------------|----------------|----------------|------0---------|
  ^ . ^ . ^ . ^ .  ^ . ^ . ^ . ^ .  ^ . ^ . ^ . ^ .  ^ . ^ . ^ . ^ .

  d5               d7sus            em7             am(4) g/d d5
d ----------------|----------------|-----------------||---/--/--------|
b ----------------|----------0---3-|-----------------|----------5---5-|
g --0---0---------|--0-2-0---------|--4-24-2---------|----------------|
d 4---4---4-2-0-2-|4-------4---5---|---------4-4-2---|----------------|
a ----------------|----------------|---------------0-|3---------------|
d ----------------|----------------|-----------------|--3~--0---------|
  ^ . ^ . ^ . ^ .  ^ . ^ . ^ . ^ .  ^ . ^  . ^ . ^ .  ^ . ^ . ^ . ^ .

  d5               d7sus            em7             am(4) g/d d5
d 3---3--3----3---|5---5-----5-----|-----------------||---/--/--------|
b --5---5---5---5-|--5---353---5-3-|-----------------|------------30--|
g --------5-------|----------------|--45-4-24----20--|----------------|
d ----------------|----------------|-----------------|----------------|
a ----------------|----------------|-----------------|3---------------|
d ----------------|----------------|-----------------|--3~--0---------|
  ^ . ^ . ^ . ^ .  ^ . ^ . ^ . ^ .  ^ .  ^ . ^ . ^ .  ^ . ^ . ^ . ^ .

  d5                               d7sus
d --------------------------------|--------------------------------|
b 3=0-----------------------------|--------------------------------|
g ------4=0---2=0-----------------|020---020---020---020---020---4-|
d ------------------4-----2---2---|----4-----4-----4-----4-----4---|
a --------------------------------|--------------------------------|
d --------------------------------|--------------------------------|
  ^   .   ^   .   ^   .   ^   .    ^   .   ^   .   ^   .   ^   .

  em7                             am(4) g/d    d5
d --------------------------------|--------------------------------|
b --------------------------------|--------------------------------|
g ----020---020---020---020-------|--------------------------------|
d --4-----4-----4-----4-----4-----|--------------------------------|
a --------------------------------|3-------------------------------|
d --------------------------------|----3~------0-------------------|
  ^   .   ^   .   ^   .   ^   .    ^   .   ^   .   ^   .   ^   .


- adam schneider, schneider@pobox.com

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from:         anjeanette milner <boilrmkr@bu.edu>
subject:      lmaf (mee too!!)

>
> well i think it's absolutely (fabulously) hysterical
> yesterday i was cleaning the old room and i had been listening
> to a few mixes friends had made (dance, goth, and then my old
> beatles 45's) when i suddenly couldnt take it anymore!!! and
> reached for the first ig tape i could lay hands on.. sf!
> i spent the next 1/2 hour listening.. re winding hey jesus a few
> times and finished on a good few rewinds of lmaf and left the
> house singing it (ya know the last is the one ya sing allllll day)
> and i goto work and see ya'll talking about it alllll day long
> just pushing the song along in my mind.  and i want to thank ya'll
> cos i thought i was the only one who went around affixing thoughts
> and other stuff to ig songs... *sigh... i know i'm acting weird
> but hey.. i'm in a crazy kinda mood!!! thanks to tony the chickenman
> i'll go to sleep listening to steve earle....
>
> so gnite folks, and thanks again for all the fishes
> love and stuff
> anjeanette (worshipper of susieb from afar!)

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from:         "joan m. cyr" <jcyr@mit.edu>
subject:      i'm back on bounce! (sigc)

my friends:

after 2 weeks of being on digest version, i'm back on the bounce version,
just for a week while "i am travelling, again" (sorry, that's a dar
reference...wrong list!  ;o)

so, who's gonna offer up a cd this week?  i'm ready for ya!  i will not be
the turtle this week...i'm the wascally wittle wabbit!  believe it or
not...kinda embarrassing...i only have 3 ig cd's:  indigo girls, 1200c, and
ni&s.  so, who has extra sf, rop, botby, so to sell me?  email me
privately, please.

god, it's great to get off the digest version, if only for a week...

have a good one everyone!

joni  :o)

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subject:      i'm back!!!!!

hi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

it's me, sundara, at her new email account.  so please email me at this
addy from now on.  hopefully i won't be going anywhere anytime soon.

i am soooooo happy to be back on line.  not having email is a baaaaad
thing.  withdrawal sucks.  i am so thrilled to be back on the list and on
line, i'm jumping up and down and grinning madly.

so, while i'm wasting bandwidth, i thought i would thank everyone who has
helped me on my quest to get my own computer.  a big huge thanks to
ralph.  he is my hero.  and lots of thanks to claire, yay for having
windows, thanks to michelle and jon, for their computer consulting, yay
for betsy for calling me periodically and entertaining me so my
withdrawal symptoms didn't get too bad.  and a big cyberspace hug to
audrey, who i love dearly, and susan!!!  i love you and hope all the fan
club members have been giving you the love you deserve in my absence.

alright, i've missed y'all soooo much, so everyone email me!!!

love,
sundara and chuck, the community-effort computer

"the truth is not out there"
        -bart simpson

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from:         sara mccutchen <sbeth@gol.com>
subject:      daring angels...

good morning to you all (or afternoon if you are not in japan)...i have a
favor...has anyone out there heard of the daring angels????  they were on a
tape i recieved (only two songs..."i'm turned around" and "place in the
road")...they are bad ass...and i would kill to have more of their stuff.
i think i heard they were from around the pa area...please, please let me
know...or give some sort of connection.  i would be much obliged.

sara, who is herself, a daring devil wearing an angel's disguise...

______________________________________________________________________________
                                sara mccutchen
                             10-22-502 ikeda-cho
                        nishinomiya-shi, hyogo-ken 662
                                     japan
                                 sbeth@gol.com


                "let me die trying...if i fall at least my heart
                will have been true. let me die trying...i can't
                cry tomorrow if i do."   --kristen hall

                "we act empty and innocent, we are fueled by dis-
                tortions (i remember you when we were shiny and
                new) of lives led in discontent, trading misfor-
                tunes (now you guard your faith) cause faith is
                one thing that is hard to deliver (temper your
                speed).  it feels funny being free."  --amy ray
______________________________________________________________________________

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from:         jen lucero <jlucero@mail.monmouth.com>
subject:      re: ttr

        hi y'all,

        i just went through all the ttr posts and while i was aware of all the
previous incarnations of this song...the only one i ever remember is amy's
version.  to me it doesn't much matter where she got certain phrases
from...but rather how she chose to use them.

        amy tends to write a good number of her songs (if not all of them) as a
way to deal and sort through her reactions to any number of personal
experiences.  in the instance of ttr she has addressed feelings of anger,
shame, fear, sorrow and helplessness that is too powerful to ignore...and
ones which i have personally felt when studying and remembering the holocaust.

        i have spoken with amy in regards to this song...and my very intense
emotional reactions to it.  the respect that i had before for both of the
girls, especially amy, tripled after hearing this song for the first time
and seeing some of her emotions behind it.

        i almost never listen to this song...it's just too intense for me.  but
every once in a while i will put it on as a reminder that college courses,
the occasional movie and museums are not the only place that this tragedy
is remembered so that it will not happen again.

        sorry for being a bit morose,

        never forget...

                jen

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from:         donna hynes <donnahyn@aol.com>
subject:      nigc

in regards to the song daniel, elton john sings, "daniel my brother, you are
older than me, but you still feel the pain, of the scars that won't heal your
eyes have died, but you see more than i."  so i always assumed it was about
his brother.  actually about 8 years ago, my friend dedicated that song to
her older brother.  just a thought.  :-)

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from:         shana smulyan <knave4@aol.com>
subject:      re: this train revised
x-to:         sprocket@scorequest.com

in a message dated 97-01-17 10:03:49 est, sprocket@scorequest.com (georgy v.
cohen) writes:

<< this past spring, i visited
the concentration camps in poland.. auschwitz, treblinka, and majdanek. >>

wow, was that on march of the living?  i really wanted to do that but
couldn't last year, mabey in 1998.  well about ttr, i think that song often
focuses on not only how horrible genocide and the loss of the 12 million was,
but also the loss of the infinite contributions those people and all thier
would be decendants could have made to society.

west of bishes
shana (jak)

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from:         susan tomlinson <teddie@mindspring.com>
subject:      re: i'm back!!!!!
x-to:         s r murphy <sundarling@juno.com>

sundara and chuck!

yaaaayayayayaya! glad you're back :) we're so busy here in oz (othewise
known as atlanta) that we've been very bad about posting to the list,
writing back to people, etc., but we're so glad you're back in all your
purpleness!

and here's a question - we went to binky's website to look at the pnw pix,
and you weren't wearing purple (as far as we could tell) so . . . are you
forsaking purple for another? we must know!

and finally, we wanna be sbmfc members too, 'kay? maybe we can start a susan
b. marine list (susan-b@netspace.org)?????

peace, love and warm fuzzies
susan and jocelyn

ps - at one point, didn't you say you had a non-screechy bumbershoot with
some austin tx songs on it? we'd love a copy - now that we're on mindspring
which uses eudora, all my old prospective trade mail is in ms exchange, and
i can't make my mind go between the two of them, so, rambling on . . . were
you going to tape the above if we sent you a tape? or am i entering an
altered state??

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<< enough is enough!

this is my official apology to all of you for posting the virus alert
message -- i am sorry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i did not know that this was a hoax, and i in no way meant to cause any
harm by posting the warning -- i thought i was helping.  (really!)

thanks to all of you who sent helpful messages to me.  i appreciate the
thoughtfulness of your kind hearts.

only human and hoping i don't have to unsubscribe,
angela >>


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enough is enough!

this is my official apology to all of you for posting the virus alert
message -- i am sorry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i did not know that this was a hoax, and i in no way meant to cause any
harm by posting the warning -- i thought i was helping.  (really!)

thanks to all of you who sent helpful messages to me.  i appreciate the
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from:         lorie d <mediamongr@aol.com>
subject:      re: indigo-girls digest - 17 jan 1997 - special issue

in a message dated 97-01-17 15:33:13 est, you write:

<< my brian just gets flooded with sooo
much stimuli and the left side of my brain whines the whole time
about missing out on participating in it :(] >>

binky...tell me more about brian?

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from:         "amy j. putnam" <pegasus@crl.com>
subject:      re: daring angels...
x-to:         sara mccutchen <sbeth@gol.com>
in-reply-to:  <v01530513af05bd1f6af2@[202.243.52.229]>

daring angels....excellent choice.  they are actually based in ma, in
the central part of the state.  very nice folks.  for those wondering,
daring angels are kathy phipps and wendy sobel.  yep two women, two
guitars.  but a sound which is more like shawn colvin meeting
mary chapin carpenter.  their cd is called "turned around" and i will
admit to being partial (and tooting my horn) as i did the photography
for teh cd.  the music is infectious.  i have to listen sparingly
because the songs get rooted in my head for days.  rainy day records
has had the cd in stock; i dont know if they still do.  but, i can
\contact kathy and wendy for ordering info.  they are a little
independent band so dont have much in the way of larger scale
distribution.  if anyone besides sara is interested, let me know.

                          _________
amy p.                    \       /     who holds your hand
pegasus@crl.com            \     /      when you're alone
monk@world.std.com          \   /
the original photo monk      \ /                --patty larkin

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from:         indigo jo <mts5@aber.ac.uk>
subject:      re: this train revised
x-to:         julian knopf <stripe@oasis.icl.co.uk>
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on fri, 17 jan 1997, julian knopf wrote:

> i've trawled through my hard drive and can't find the orig. lyrics i know
> they've been posted before - can anybody do the honours ...

sure:

this train is bound for glory, this train,
this train is bound for glory, this train,
this train is bound for glory,
don't ride nothin' but the righteous an' the holy
this train is bound for glory, this train,

this train don't carry no gamblers, this train,
this train don't carry no gamblers, this train,
this train don't carry no gamblers
no hypocrites, no midnight ramblers,
this train is bound for glory, this train.

this train is built for speed now, this train,
this train is built for speed now, this train,
this train is built for speed
fastest train you ever did see,
this train is bound for glory, this train.

this train don't carry no liars, this train,
this train don't carry no liars, this train,
this train don't carry no liars,
no hypocrites and no high flyers,
this train is bound for glory, this  train.

this train don't pay no transportation, this train,
this train don't pay no transportation, this train,
this train don't pay no transportation
no jim crow and no discrimination,
this train is bound for glory, this train.

this train don't carry no rustlers, this train,
this train don't carry no rustlers, this train,
this train don't carry no rustlers
sidestreet walkers, two-bit hustlers,
this train is bound for glory, this train.

mat

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subject:      chords to chickenman, by adam schneider

#----------------------------------please note---------------------------------#
#this file is the author's own work and represents their interpretation of the #
#song. you may only use this file for private study, scholarship, or research. #
#------------------------------------------------------------------------------#


chickenman (amy ray)
--------------------

[tuning: dadgbd]
[each chord is one measure.]
[i mostly got these chords from the songbook, but i'm not sure they're
right.  the songbook had some blatant errors, so i can't really trust it.]

d5: 000230    d7sus: 000210, or maybe 005530?    csus9: 030030    g: 020000
d(4): 000030?    d: 000234    dsus: 000235

[play the d5 (and possibly the d7sus, if you use the 000210 fingering)
with hammer-ons from 0 to 2 on the g string every now and then.]


d5                d7sus            d5
i am an only child     born of the wild
d7sus      d5              d7sus      d5
riddled to spend my time defending my land

d5                  d7sus
you are the only one     born in the sun
d5         d7sus             d7sus      d5
riddled to spend your time defending my plan

d5   d5   d5   d5   d5   d5   d5   d5
[instrumental]

d5                  d7sus    d5                       d7sus
dead dog on the highway,     median cats are growling at me
  d5                      d5      d7sus                 d5        d5
i turn my lights on brighter, i'm counting through the night ride

         csus9    g            d5     d5
and it's one more life for the taker, chickenman
csus9    g            d5     d5
one more song for the maker, chickenman

d5                  d5   d5                       d7sus
on the road to athens, i saw a dead deer on the highway
  d5               d5     d7sus                  d5     d5
i slipped into a desert, five prairie dogs and a rabbit

i was running down on queen street,  i saw a woman on the sidewalk
she was beaten by a stranger,    danger danger danger

         csus9    g            d5     d5
and it's one more life for the taker, chickenman, hold my hand
csus9    g             d5                  d5
one more song for the maker (hold my hand, chickenman)

d(4)    d5    d(4)    d5    d(4)   d5    d(4)    d5
[instrumental]
d5     d5     d - dsus    d - dsus    d - dsus    d - dsus
[instrumental]

i was on the road to austin,  i met a man on the highway
he sold me junk and conversation, he was wise and dirty from the weather

i said, "darkness into darkness,  all the carnage of my journeys
makes it harder to be living;" he said, "it's a long road to be forgiven"

         csus9    g            d5     d5
and it's one more life for the taker, chickenman, hold my hand
csus9    g             d5                d5                      d5 [stop]
one more song for the maker (chickenman, chickenman, hold my hand)

i am an only child born of the wild
riddled to spend my time defending my land
you are the only one born in the sun
riddled to spend your time defending my plan

n.c.   n.c.   d5   d5
[instrumental]
d5                        d5
i went looking for a car, found myself beneath the stars
d5                         d5
i went looking for a girl, found a man and his world
d5    -     d5/e        d5/f#   -    d5/c
chickenman, chickenman, chickenman, hold my hand
d5    -     d5/e        d5/f#   -    d5/c
chickenman, chickenman, chickenman, hold my hand  [repeat until ending]

- adam schneider, schneider@pobox.com

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hey angela...
at 11:39 pm 1/17/97 -0500, you wrote:
> only human and hoping i don't have to unsubscribe,
don't do that... you'll miss so much fun stuff... what with the new ig cd
about to be released...
when i read the alert; me, i just made a joke of it, because i knew...
all of us who knew about virus scares weren't worrid. and how did we know
about virus scares??? :-) cause we've been warned about the latest e-mail
bug by well meaning folks like yourself in the past... see it's cycle:
first comes the warning about the virus; then come all the reminder posts
from computer whiz-types saying " no no no, you internet illiterate
newbies!!! you cannot get a virus by downloading + reading your e-mail etc
etc etc" ( add some sorta complicated stuff about executable files bla bl
bla... )<--- obviously i fall into the category of "non-computer-whiz-type"
:-) ... then comes the apology from the well meaning listee who posted the
alert in the first place... sigh...:-)
hang in... the ride is worth it:)
peace... kim in pr ( who probably has to unsubscribe in another couple days
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date:         sat, 18 jan 1997 10:03:12 -0600
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from:         abigail <abaroo@execpc.com>
subject:      nigc: ani tours

i just checked ani difranco's tour schedule and there are a ton of new dates
up! for everyone in milwaukee, she's coming to the rave sat. april 12! whoo
hoo!
i'll be there!

:) anigal er, abigail
"when i was 15, oh i knew it was over, the road to enchantment was not mine
to take..."

                    ~dar williams

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subject:      atlanta pride 96

hi everyone,

i was wondering if i could get a copy from someone on the list.  i had set
up a trade with bonnie parks from the list, but i never sent a tape.  i am
horrible i know.  i would either like to get in contact w/her about it (if
she's still on the list) or anyone else who is willing. thanks.  sorry
about wasting bandwidth. :(  peace, melissa

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subject:      this train revised and ariel

hey folks,

i just got back to school this week so i'm still settling in...i'll post
soon about the anagrams stuff and the a cappella mix and fred small...i
haven't forgotten.  i wanted to contribute something to the this train
revised thread, a piece i wrote a while back called "ariel."  i'm sending
it under separate cover so it is easy to forward...i'd like as many people
to read it as possible.  if you have the digest and want me to mail it
again to you directly just let me know.  the holocaust has factored in big
into my life.  it is one of those facts which blasts any concept of god as
all-knowing, all-powerful, and good, and it throws a lot of ideas about
humanity out of whack.  i've read books, visited memorials, heard
personal accounts.....then all the stuff started happening in bosnia and
simply remembering and mouthing "never again" wasn't right.  i knew me
flying out to bosnia wasn't the answer--i personally could do more
through my writing than by getting myself killed in a war zone--but i
started to re-think our commemoration of the holocaust, the way we
remembered it and addressed it and taught it.  i knew i was getting
desensitized, on yom hashoah (holocaust memorial day) in 1995 i skipped
the memorial service, and in the basement of a dormitory with a loud smoky
band in the background, i penned "ariel."  thank you for reading.

sincerely,
audrey beth stein


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                                   ariel
                                     by
                             audrey beth stein

                            copyright april 1995

she plays the drums in an all-girl reggae band. she wears gap khakis, dyed
purple. she wonders about god and who invented peanut butter and when the
monster under her bed goes to sleep. her name is ariel. she wants to
rollerblade from maine to florida. she wants to fly a kite in the middle of
the ocean. she wants to fall in love. when she was younger she stubbed her
toe on a rough patch of grass. she won the third-grade poetry competition.
she lost the fourth-grade wheelbarrow race. her name is ariel. she has never
met you. she hates tacos and loves maple walnut ice cream. she thinks about
tattooing her left shoulder and piercing her nose. she once stole a
fifty-cent candy bar from the corner store.

on a stone monument on the south side of a nondescript town are inscribed
the names of ariel's grandparents. ariel has never been born. her
grandparents were erased before they could meet. the monument represents six
million jews. on the outskirts of this town an iron statue speaks for
africans enslaved under saltwater graves. soon a bronze memorial will bear
witness to murdered bosnians. never forget.

who will remember ariel? who will know what she might have been? who will
share her joys and pains? i will remember, i will know, i will share. i
create ariel. i create her life to help fill the void left by the children
of those who died, the children who were never born.

but the void is great, and ariel is one, and i am one. ariel sings about
lonely rooms and empty pages. ariel wants to fall in love. you are also one.
you can create. you can remember, you can know, you can share. you can write
ariel a lover, draw her a friend, or paint her a sister. you can sculpt a
person in memory of all those murdered by ignorance, and in honor of their
children who never got a chance to live. join me. join ariel. out of death,
create life.

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subject:      re: this train revised

at 05:22 pm 1/17/97 +0000, indigo jo wrote:
>"this train" appears to be an afro-american gospel tune, probably from
>late 19th / early 20th century, as it refers to "no jim crow and no
>discrimination".   there have probably been countless covers of the song,
>but two well known ones are by woody guthrie and the blues/gospel singer
>and guitarist, sister rosetta tharpe.

to which i would add, the first time i ever heard the song was on a
limelighters album at my grandpa's house.

so, prettymuch, we can conclude that this song was covered by everyone
*except* nine inch nails?? :)

tony


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lone star                                       "the only thing to prevent
tony a.t. mendina                       what's past is to put a stop
lonestar@dfwmm.net                      to it before it happens."
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subject:      uno  5/4/96

hi everyone,

i just had a little to share for a concerning the sound quality of the may
4, 1996 nojf boot.  i'm sure not everyone has the same one.  but, i got
mine from a tree from the list and i just thought the quality was
extremely... well weird, but in a really good way.  i usually listen to it
in my car, and it sounds great in there.  i don't have any special system
or anything, just what it came with.  the tape is weird because it doesn't
sound superb when i put it on the normal settings (treble and bass in the
middle) the voices are kind of distant.  but if i turn the treble all the
way "up" (or at least a good ways up) it just sounds beautiful.  the tape
is very clear, the voices, the music.  anyway, i bring this up not because
i have any clue why the tape is like this, but i was wondering if anyone
else has a tape like this.  and do you really think it sounds good/cool?
another thing that is interesting is that amy's voice seems to reach
through to the surface (my terms, don't know if it conveys what i mean)
very beautifully.  in particular, it seems to "get through" more than
emily's, which is interesting because i would think the high part/melody
would come through/be heard over the low/harmony part.  well, sorry for
all that rambling.  any comments?

peace, love, and happiness,
melissa

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subject:      atten: ms.wolfenden..

please e-mail me
pooh

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subject:      emilys' solo tape..

so..i guess the final word is we're never gonna get to hear this????
didn't someone have the inside story?

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subject:      in with the out crowd

was someone asking about this boot???????
e-mail me

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subject:      scream/ig poster

hey y'all!!
  i haven't posted in awhile....aol is getting on my nerves!!!  anyway, i saw
scream last night and while it wasn't the best movie i have ever seen, it was
at times funny and i was on the edge of my seat......anyway, everyone knows
that the true reason i went to see it was the ig poster in the main
character's bedroom!!!  i was so exited when i saw it, and it was shown for
at least thirty seconds while one of the characters was talking in front of
it.  it said "indigo girls" at the top and had a picture of amy and em, and
then at the bottom it said "swamp ophelia".  would this be by any chance the
same poster offered by the fan club?
sorry this post was sooo long, but the movie was definitely worth seeing just
for the poster!!!! (my friends didn't understand)
follow your bliss,
lauren

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reply-to:     andrea crain <acrain@knox.edu>
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from:         andrea crain <acrain@knox.edu>
subject:      this train - the folk song.
in-reply-to:  <199701180504.aaa17854@netspace.org>

check it out, people, here are two versions of this train...the thing about
folk songs is that they change almost every time someone sings them,
that's part of the beauty of them.

so this is a version, the one printed in rise up singing (a really great
songbook)

this train is bound for glory, this train
this train is bound for glory, this train
this train is bound for glory, don't ride nothin but the righteous and
the holy
this train is bound for glory, this train

[repeat first line at the end of every verse.]

this train don't carry no gamblers, this train (2x)
this train don't carry no gamblers, no hot town women, no midnight ramblers,
[repeat first line]

this train is built for speed now, this train (2x)
this train is built for speed, fastest train you ever did see

this train don't carry no liars, this train (2x)
this train don't carry no liars, no hypocrites and no high flyers

this train don't pay no transportation, this train (2x)
this train don't pay no transportation, no jim crow no discrimination


and since i'm a big peter paul and mary fan, i shall give you their
version, too. in the interest of conserving bandwidth, i'll just type the
parts that are different of each verse...the structure of each verse is
of course just like the verses above. that's on their self-titled album,
you can go listen to it in blockbuster or something if you don't feel
like buying it. :)

this train don't carry no gamblers
no crap shooters no midnight ramblers

this train don't carry no jokers
no high-tone women, no ceegar smokers

this train done carry my mother
my mother, my father, my sister and my brother

this train she's bound for glory
if you wanna get to heaven well you've got to be holy


and i found my copy of a tribute to woody guthrie, with his son arlo
playing a short harmonica version of this train. (so short i'm not even
sure why they put it on the song list on the cover...) but woody didn't
write it, he just adapted it. it is, of course, older than him. :)

so as you can see, it is a very different song from amy's this train
revised. i would not say it is a version of this train. i'd probably say
it was a variation on it, or very loosely based on it, because even
allowing for changes by the folk process it's really not the same song. :)

love, andrea

                andrea crain *** internet: acrain@knox.edu
              *** knox college, galesburg, illinois, usa ***
       *** world wide web: http://members.tripod.com/~andreamer ***

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from:         rose west <nitelite6@aol.com>
subject:      houston nigc

hi all

i am planning on going to see mary chapin carpenter in houston at the end of
february.  i was wondering if anyone knows of any record shops there where i
might find some ig boots?  also if anyone can recommend stuff to see while
there...also is there much of a gay area in houston....if so....what does it
consist of?  any help would be much appreciated !!!

rose

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date:         sat, 18 jan 1997 17:55:45 +0500
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from:         "stacey l. vamvas" <svamvas@vt.edu>
subject:      faq and boots.

hey everyone,

i have a few small requests.  first of all my computer crashed and erased
everything in my e-mail.  so therefore i lost the faq and all the boot
offers that i got.  so could someone please e-mail me the faq and if anyone
could find it in there heart to make some copies of the more popular boots
for me.  any offers are appreciated.  unfortunately i only have a very very
small collection so i really have nothing to trade.  i'm really looking for
some of the early stuff.  thanks in advance.

stacey
ae-virginia tech
svamvas@vt.edu
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from:         angela lindahl <ugosister@aol.com>
subject:      free email info.  (nigc)

hello everybody!!!

having had major aol problems myself, i can relate to those aol members who
have posted here about your frustrations with their email system (their whole
system, actually).  i don't know how many times i have tried to sign on (just
to read my mailing list posts) and heard that busy signal!

anyway, for any of you (not just aolers) who are interested in free email
services, you might be interested in juno.  and, yes, i did say free.  their
motto is "email was meant to be free", and they encourage people to make
copies of the disc to give to others.

i received juno from a friend, and have not had one problem with access to
the email i have sent to that address.  in fact, i should probably have
subscribed to this list through my juno account!  oh well.

so.....anyone who is interested in receiving more information about juno,
please email me privately to the following address:

ingenue2@juno.com

p.s.  i bet sundara would agree with me!  ;-)

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date:         sat, 18 jan 1997 18:02:49 -0700
reply-to:     verdi@imap2.asu.edu
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from:         verdi@imap2.asu.edu
subject:      new titles?

   hey all, i was at the sony ig site and they named two songs off the
new album i didn't recognize. "burn all the letters" and "shed your
skin". is the later "chiapsa bound". anyone here know?
ben
"no other road,no other way, no day but today!" -johnathan larson

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from:         abigail <abaroo@execpc.com>
subject:      nigc: concert date site

musi-cal is an *excellent* web site for up to date tour schedules. you can
browse by performer, city, venue, or festival and it had current schedules
for ani, dar, and many other artists. it's found at:

http://concerts.calendar.com

hope this is helpful!

:) abigail

"when i was 15, oh i knew it was over, the road to enchantment was not mine
to take..."

                    ~dar williams

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from:         wendell lee <wlee@indy1.calarts.edu>
subject:      who wants to trade?
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hi everybody, i am happy for the long weekend, so i thought i'd ask if
anyone out there has a list of boots and would like to trade with me.  i
can send my list to anyone and everyone who wants to trade.  yeah, i got a
lot of blank tapes for christmas.

love, wendell

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subject:      nigc all you computer helpers

just wanted send send a great big thanks to all the folks who  sent me
help in picking a laptop..still haven't quite deciphered all you all told
me  ..but i'm working on it..
thanks a bunch

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from:         galileo josie jasper <galileo000@aol.com>
subject:      indigo girls - back-up vocals on mrs. fun

at keyword tower on aol, (artist search indigo girls)  the cd "ennui"(tba)
from
mrs. fun (released 12/31/96, lulu records) lists indigo girls as back-up
vocals (kd lang is listed also as vocals)  you can prob. find same info at
tower website, though aol domain server is down, so i wouldn't know. if
anyone is a mrs. fun fan & has this or can enlighten us, please do.  thanks.
go packers!!    mary jo

~the first two might release you~
~but the last one drives a nissan~

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from:         sara mccutchen <sbeth@gol.com>
subject:      misplaced texans list party...

herro out there.  maren and sara from japan here...we were sharing music on
a chilly afternoon in japan and were wondering if anyone out there might
have a list of the original writers and performers (if different) of the
covers the ig did on "leeves that break in my heart?"  we would be much
obliged...sayonara to you all.

sara and maren
(sbeth and renmar)

______________________________________________________________________________
                                sara mccutchen
                             10-22-502 ikeda-cho
                        nishinomiya-shi, hyogo-ken 662
                                     japan
                                 sbeth@gol.com


                "let me die trying...if i fall at least my heart
                will have been true. let me die trying...i can't
                cry tomorrow if i do."   --kristen hall

                "we act empty and innocent, we are fueled by dis-
                tortions (i remember you when we were shiny and
                new) of lives led in discontent, trading misfor-
                tunes (now you guard your faith) cause faith is
                one thing that is hard to deliver (temper your
                speed).  it feels funny being free."  --amy ray
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subject:      ig .wav files (yet again)

okay, so i know this was discussed in detail a few weeks ago, but i have
since accidentaly deleted those messages (bangs head on desk). i think i
remember someone saying they have ig sound files up on a page
somewhere...? any help would be appreciated. oh, and to all of you who
emailed me earlier in response to my "sounds on the mac" thing...thanks.
my mac now makes nifty noises. :)

toodles,
:) steph

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reply-to:     mediamongr@aol.com
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from:         lorie d <mediamongr@aol.com>
subject:      more "this train" ruminations

in a message dated 97-01-19 00:17:23 est, you write:

<<  this train done carry my mother
my mother, my father, my sister and my brother  >>

interesting how one word can make a big difference in interpretation.  i
thought amy was saying "this train **don't** carry my mother, father,
brother..." because she was talking specifically about the "gay
holocaust"...at least in that line.  meaning, that *she* would have been on
that train, that the holocaust wasn't something that applied to other people.

i mean, amy's mentioned (in the 4/12/95 soc i do believe) about being so
white, so middle class.  well, in "this train" she loses that privilege.
(pardon me, we've been talking about "privileged viewpoints" in religion
class...)  so i imagine it's a pretty powerful realization to put yourself in
another situation, and you're not privileged like you're used to being.  so
that's my sketchy interpretation of the line using "don't".

the line as recorded by peter, paul & mary would indicate a more family-wide,
community-wide
interpretation.  i mean, just train after train after train of people.
methinks i need to ponder this some more.


- lorie, who usually skims over song interpretations, but is taking way too
many english classes this quarter
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reply-to:     nicholas dishler <ndishler@mail.bcpl.lib.md.us>
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from:         nicholas dishler <ndishler@mail.bcpl.lib.md.us>
subject:      re: free email info.  (nigc)
in-reply-to:  <970118175530_579901333@emout06.mail.aol.com>

i havent gone through all my mail yet, but i read this

> anyway, for any of you (not just aolers) who are interested in free email
> services, you might be interested in juno.  and, yes, i did say free.  their
> motto is "email was meant to be free", and they encourage people to make
> copies of the disc to give to others.
i have this service too, and it is great, there is one catch, it is not
out for mac users yet, im sorry to say   just thought that i would let you
know   if you have an ibm, id definitly say get this   hope everyone is
having a great weekend=-)


nick

where am i?

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from:         deb reiser <debbie@mei.com>
subject:      re: indigo girls - back-up vocals on mrs. fun

>at keyword tower on aol, (artist search indigo girls)  the cd "ennui"(tba)
>from
>mrs. fun (released 12/31/96, lulu records) lists indigo girls as back-up
>vocals (kd lang is listed also as vocals)  you can prob. find same info at
>tower website, though aol domain server is down, so i wouldn't know. if
>anyone is a mrs. fun fan & has this or can enlighten us, please do.  thanks.
>go packers!!    mary jo

perhaps this is a re-release of somekind, but it's not a new release for
mrs. fun. _ennui_ was originally released back in spring of '95 (i remember
because i and fellow list member dwayne attended the release party).  amy
and emily do background vocals for the track "gossip". mrs. fun (connie
grauer and kim zick) have appeared with ig on two tour stops in milwaukee
and play on dead man's hill on so.

deb

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subject:      ig & sororities...

yes, i'm rushing, but i swear i'm not going to turn into a sorority chick!
but anyway, i walked into kappa alpha theta today, & galileo was on!  theta
is known for stereotypically being full of those typical sorority chicks,
so i thought it was so cool that they liked ig...i thought i was imagining
it at first!  and then during their slide show, joking came on!  ig in a
sorority...woohoo!  and the people i talked to were really cool.  but
anyway, i just thought i would share this fun ig-in-a-random-place story w/
all of you... :)

andi

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              it catches up and it just keeps going."-dw
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reply-to:     kirsten chevalier <kirsten@spike.wellesley.edu>
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from:         kirsten chevalier <kirsten@spike.wellesley.edu>
subject:      re: free email info.  (nigc)
in-reply-to:  <pine.sol.3.95.970119131210.2407a-100000@mail>; from "nicholas
              dishler" at jan 19, 97 1:18 pm

the downside of juno is that it forces you to view advertising content. their
slogan is "email was means to be free", but in reality, nothing is free--someone
has to get paid to tend the computers, after all. personally, i'd rather sink
down $15 a month for a unix shell from my local community isp than be forced to
ingest megabytes of mindless commercialism--it's my belief that the internet was
meant to be non-commercial, *not* free. besides, i don't do business with
companies that exclude mac users from enjoying their products.
kirsten


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from:         kellie deis <kdeis@kent.edu>
subject:      ig and sororities

        well, i am what some call a "lurker" on this list, but i felt
i had to speak up on this topic. yes, i love ig. yes, i am in a
sorority (sigma sigma sigma) and have been for the past four years. i
am glad that some people can undersand that just because a woman is a
member of a sorority doesn't mean she is automatically part of a
stereotype. stereotypes of any group make me angry, and i hope
everyone on this list is open enough to realize that not everyone in a
sorority follows that stereotype, in fact, most don't. thank you. i
will retreat to lurkdom again.

kel
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the opposite of lonliness is not togetherness, it is intimacy. (r.bach)
if you don't make dust, you eat it.
when you learn to love yourself, you will dissolve all the stones that are
cast... (indigo girls)

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reply-to:     s r murphy <sundarling@juno.com>
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from:         s r murphy <sundarling@juno.com>
subject:      re: free email info.  (nigc)

alright, in responding to what kirsten said about juno, since now i am on
this system, i may as well join in this blatant waste of nigc bandwidth.


yes, there is advertisements,  but they aren't that bad.  they are just
small little things in the top corner.  so far i've only really been
inundated with ads for welch's grape juice.

and yes, if i had an extra fifteen bucks a month to be able to pay for a
local provider or something, i would. i hate supporting big companies and
such. espcially ones that rely on advertising.  i personally wish we
could get rid of all advertising, as i think it perpetuates bad
stereotypes and just is a huge contributor to eating disorders and the
heterosexual norms.  but i'm poor.  ridiculously poor.  it would be
basically between email and whether or not i am able to eat this week.
sometimes you have to prioritize.  i wish i could continue to live by all
my morals and ideologies.  but sometimes hunger wins out.  i don't like
to whine and complain about my poverty, cause i willingly took out all
those college loans, and i'm trying to suck it up and find a decent
paying job,  but i just wanted to explain my choice in using juno
(probably more cause i feel guilty about supporting a big company and i
need to re-affirm it to myself more than i need to explain it to you all)
so anyway.  enough of my little stance.  back to your regularly
scheduled igc, before someone gets pissed about all this nigc.

peace, love, and andi,

        sundara (who thinks andi is a badass, even if she decides to
become a                sorority chick)

"the truth is not out there"
      -bart simpson

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subject:      newport

i love you!!!!!  come back to maine one more time 'cause i missed you in
portland. :-(  are you goin to be at the newport folk festival in '97?  loved
you with joan baez and mary-chapin carpenter.

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subject:      subcription

i want to be on the mailing list!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

liz stahler
29 royce rd.
newton, ma    02159

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subject:      newport and subcription [sic]

is it a coincidence that the last two clueless messages on this list were from
aolusers? i think not.
kirsten


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subject:      re: free email info.  (nigc)

for those that are interested, juno is good - - however you can't do
attachments.  that's why i got off it.  it's not as powerful as microsofts
internet mail or exchange or netscape mail.  but if all you're after is
generic e-mail - juno is for you.

  - jen hall


> i have this service too, and it is great, there is one catch, it is not
> out for mac users yet, im sorry to say   just thought that i would let
you
> know   if you have an ibm, id definitly say get this   hope everyone is
> having a great weekend=-)

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from:         chris talbot <talbotc@umich.edu>
subject:      re: more "this train" ruminations
x-to:         lorie d <mediamongr@aol.com>
in-reply-to:  <970119124647_1758815666@emout13.mail.aol.com>

> interesting how one word can make a big difference in interpretation.  i
> thought amy was saying "this train **don't** carry my mother, father,
> brother..." because she was talking specifically about the "gay
> holocaust"...at least in that line.  meaning, that *she* would have been on
> that train, that the holocaust wasn't something that applied to other people.

hi y'all!
lorie makes a very interesting point about the role of a single word in
lyrical interpretation.  it's interesting to me, though, that her view of
amy's use is so different from mine.  in my view, amy's use of the word
"don't" suggests rather than the gay holocaust (which i'll delve into in
a minute) a different issue, the issue of genocide, that it's
specifically *not* "her people" being killed, not her mother, her
brother, her sister, whatever, but it someone else.  and the fact that it
is someone else is, in my view, the point of the song.  while there is
some mention of the "gay holocaust" in the song, it doesn't seem, to me,
to be the central point.  the central point, for me, arises out of the
use of the word "don't", as it does for lorie, but we get different
things.  for me, the song is about jews, and about genocide, and how
*jews* were killed, perhaps with homosexuals, gypsies and political
prisoners along side in some sense.  ymmv.
>
> i mean, amy's mentioned (in the 4/12/95 soc i do believe) about being so
> white, so middle class.  well, in "this train" she loses that privilege.
>  (pardon me, we've been talking about "privileged viewpoints" in religion
> class...)  so i imagine it's a pretty powerful realization to put yourself in
> another situation, and you're not privileged like you're used to being.  so
> that's my sketchy interpretation of the line using "don't".

the historical context on which i base my claim are actually related to
lorie's claim here.  (oh god, chris is going off intellectual!)  the
thing is, in absolutely no sense whatsoever were homosexuals in the same
situation as jews in the holocaust.  first of all, in germany in the
1930s being a homosexual was not difficult to hide.  one can be
homosexual and live a heterosexual lifestyle.  being jewish, however, in
the context of modern germany, was *not* a religious preference, but
rather a racial status.  becoming "un-jewish" necessitated very detailed
and complicated (il)legal paper work which essentially pulled four
generations of family history out of the air.  yes, germans really did
check back that far.

in the second place, there was never a state mandated program to
systematically exterminate homosexuals as a group.  individual
homosexuals were killed in labor camps because of their discovered
homosexual preference, but never did the state devote extensive resources
to routing out and exterminating homosexuals as a class of people.

in the third place, homosexuals were very very very rarely sent to
killing centers.  most of them who died died in labor camps, rather than
death camps, and they were worked to death individually, rather than
collectively gassed.

in the fourth place, homosexuals were rarely put on trains.  most of the
homosexuals involved in the holocaust were taken on relatively short
deportations to one of the hundreds of labor camps spread all over
germany, generally within miles of their homes, and remained there until
death or liberation.  jews, however, were systematically shipped to the
east to meet their deaths in the gas chambers.

in the fifth place, instances of individual and collective violence
against jews, looting, destruction of property, assassinations in the
street, systematic public denegration, were very very very rarely
perpetrated against homosexuals.  most homosexuals were handcuffed, put
into a car and taken to the local labor camp to be worked to death.

in the sixth place, within the context of the labor camps heirarchical
systems of power were established and encouraged by the nazis, and within
these systems, homosexuals figured very well.  they often found
themselves inkapo positions over other prisoners, were rarely shot
individually for no reason.  jews, on the other hand, figured, by state
mandate, at the bottom of these power structures, were forced to do the
most difficult of labor tasks, often having everything to do with the
enormous amount of human waste onsite, were more systematically worked to
death, were systematically deported, often at the hands of their
homosexual fellow prisoners.

so, having said all of this, what this train revised seems to be about,
for me, is that the people killed in the holocaust were fundamentally and
in most ways *unlike* amy and her brothers/sisters/mothers, and it is my
suspicion that this leads to the word "don't."

i could be full of it.

love you guys, sorry this was so expansive.

yours, queer and gentile,
chris ii>

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from:         rose west <nitelite6@aol.com>
subject:      epic site....clips section ?

the epic site states they have a couple of video clips of ig....but it
doesn't say how to get there.....help !!!

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subject:      re: more "this train" ruminations

><<  this train done carry my mother
> my mother, my father, my sister and my brother  >>
>
>i think this was probably one of the original gospel versions of the song,
meaning the writer's deceased relatives were upstanding religious folk and
they all made their way to heavan on the "zion train", cause this train
don't ride nothin' but the righteous an' the holy.
just my .02.

bigbird
i      tony "the chickenman" @:-} houston, tx                  g
n                                                              i
d      baby i said it's all in our hands                       r
i      got to learn to respect what we don't understand        l
g      we are fortunate ones fortunate ones i swear  - ar      s
o

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from:         ronnie mcdonald <mcwhorte@mail.teclink.net>
subject:      nigc juno email, etc.

i just thought i'd bring to light the fact that a simple suggestion for
those who might be sick of aol has turned into an argument over the
correctness of large corporations and the agony of poverty. interesting ;)

by the way, i think advertisements should be banned along with these
monopolistic mammoth companies (wal-mart, mcdonalds, etc.).  they're
killing the american dream.  so, you wanna open a general store?  ok, you
have to beat out walmart first.  that just sucks

is anybody with me?

"i missed ten thousand roads i should have seen."
ig and their fans are the best!

nelson
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from:         "sheri e. allen" <seaphish@aol.com>
subject:      re: newport and subcription [sic]

in a message dated 97-01-19 16:54:26 est, kirsten@spike.wellesley.edu
(kirsten chevalier) writes:

>is it a coincidence that the last two clueless messages on this list were
>from
>aolusers? i think not.

mazel tov, everyone, on the birth of a new stereotype- not based on physical
appearance or religion or race or sexual orientation or gender- but based
solely on one's email address.  i feel honored to have been a part of history
in the making.

if kirsten's comment was meant as a joke then i apologize for the defensive
nature of this post- just call me 'clueless'.

-sheri

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from:         julianna minotty <juliannafl@aol.com>
subject:      re: newport and subcription [sic]
x-to:         kirsten@spike.wellesley.edu

i found that pretty ironic myself.
julianna ( stuck in aol land, waiting to transfer back to her school address)

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subject:      bye fer now:)

hey all...
today's my last day with an i-net acct untill i can pay my bill... ach!..
small + isolated towns... any other service but the one located right here
in pr would require that i pay long distance charges just to call out to a
server, so...
anyhoo... i just unsubscribed from the list so...i'll miss reading y'all...
till a few weeks from now:) buh bye... have fun stormink the castle ( d'yah
think it'll woik?... it'd take a miracle...) bu bye.
peace all... kim
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
"don't tell me i'm burning the candle
at both ends... tell me where to get
more wax!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
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from:         "susan b. marine" <susan.b.marine@dartmouth.edu>
subject:      bwwwwak...sorority chick squawks (nigc)

andi wrote-----
yes, i'm rushing, but i swear i'm not going to turn into a sorority chick!
-----

like, oh mi gawwwwwd, andi! yer like....rushing? that's so totally awesome! i
am so psyched! maybe we'll be sisssssters!

*ahem*

the previous squealy outburst was brought to you by susan b....a sorority
member in a past life, who is not fond of stereotypes or the word "chick":)

xo, sbm

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date:         sun, 19 jan 1997 22:44:48 est
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from:         "susan b. marine" <susan.b.marine@dartmouth.edu>
subject:      unnecessary flamage (nigc)

--- you wrote:
is it a coincidence that the last two clueless messages on this list were from
aolusers? i think not.
kirsten
--- end of quoted material ---
kirsten! what's your deal-a-meal? geez!!!!

susanna

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subject:      re: ig and sororities
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on sun, 19 jan 1997, kellie deis wrote:

>         well, i am what some call a "lurker" on this list, but i felt
> i had to speak up on this topic. yes, i love ig. yes, i am in a
> sorority (sigma sigma sigma) and have been for the past four years. i
> am glad that some people can undersand that just because a woman is a
> member of a sorority doesn't mean she is automatically part of a
> stereotype. stereotypes of any group make me angry, and i hope
> everyone on this list is open enough to realize that not everyone in a
> sorority follows that stereotype, in fact, most don't. thank you. i
> will retreat to lurkdom again.

as a student here in britain where we don't have sororities and
fraternities, what exactly are they and what do they do?   do all colleges
have them?   are they connected with student unions?   and do they have to
be all-male or all-female and if so, why?

mat

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subject:      amy singing sans emily

hey y'all,

i don't know if this has been brought up before, but has amy ever had to go on
without emily, like emily has without her (i.e.  emily at decatur square
8/4/96)?  if she has, i'm curious to know whether or not amy altered the
set-list for that particular show to include more "amy" songs than originally
intended------just what would closer to fine sound like without emily?

later,
karen

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subject:      be careful when you flaaaame (nigc)

hi pretty little doggies in the window,

i just wanted to say that there has been some sloppy stuff going on here as of
late, and i wanted to bytch about it briefly

1) make sure you have clearly read the post before you flame someone. i got
flamed three times already for something someone else on the list wrote, and i
was coming to their defense (aol users)!!
2) if you're gonna flame someone, avoid using phrases likes "fuck you" and
"you're a bigger loser than me". if your goal is to help the person see the
error of their ways and acknowledge and apologize to you, that's not the best
way to do it!
3) eat lots of cheese and cheer for the all-beef-new -england patties this
weekend!

(*gratuitous plug for the local fellas*)

love y'all,
sus

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from:         indigopony@aol.com
subject:      re: more "this train" ruminations, etc.

wow, thank you, chris ii--that was very informative!  you are
really educated on this subject.  i had to do a write-up of "my
trip to the holocaust museum", and i quoted ttr...i wasn't
sure whether the lovely german teacher would appreciate the
"piss and blood" part (i'm such a wimp for censoring that),
but i quoted most of ttr...and then i started ranting about
the treatment of other groups such as homosexuals (kar, i
need to talk to you about grois--call me!).  yes, i am pitifully
uneducated on that subject, but who knows--maybe someone
will see the strong lyrics and be converted to indigoism. =)  at
least there is an exchange of information, and that is always
a good thing.  you listees are so great, and intelligent, and...
okay, i'm gushing again. =)  hey, last night i found these pix
of me when i was nine and a gypsy for halloween...and then
in '96 i was amy (do you see where i'm going with this??).
does anyone have...hmm...a rabbi costume? =) or a rabbit
costume...;)  i really like the "we are climbing jacob's
ladder..." part at the beginning of the live versions of ttr,
and i think my favorite version of the song is the outloud
one.  it's just a great song.  oh, and happy martin luther
king, jr. day!  he was such a great man, and we should
all remember his life today.

peace, love, and play-doh,
ponygirl

p.s. to all of you nice branches who sent me tapes for the
cover me indigo compilation--thank you.  i got 'em, but for
some reason my stereo is making this hissing sound when
i dub things, so i'll hafta check into that before i can make
the compilation for everyone. =(  sorry for the delay.

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from:         "georgy v. cohen" <sprocket@scorequest.com>
subject:      a friend for ariel <nigc, sorta>

a few days ago, abstein@force.stwing.upenn.edu shared with us a powerful
piece entitled "ariel", in response to the ttr thread. it was a moving
work.  i was inspired, so as she compelled us to do, i created a friend
for ariel. her name is shana. shana is not a waste of bandwidth. she is
a life that never was, but that was meant to be. she is a memory.
---
shana lies on the roof of a neighbor's apartment building. she looks up
the clouds and
thinks of what it'd be like to walk upon them.  a dreamer, this is how
she often spends her lonely
sundays. at times, she treasures these days. other times, however, she
wish she was with
someone. she likes the boy who sits in front of her in math class,
especially the way his hair
kicks out in the back. and he always dresses so impeccably, and with a
certain flair to his style.
she looks at her watch, and noticing it is after 4 o'clock, gets up and
runs back home. her bubi
was coming over for dinner at 5 o'clock, and she told such wonderful
stories.
but, in truth, bubi can't tell stories. the flames of chelmno lifted her
up to the clouds that shana
gazes upon. that is not a story.
shana is not real. she is a manifestation of hope. life despite death.
still, she lives. she runs home, up the the three flights of stairs, and
bursts into the tiny
apartment.  she kicks off her shoes, and runs into her bedroom. her hair
is windblown, and
shana fiddles with it for about five minutes before she declares the
cause hopeless..
memory is not a hopeless cause. it is the sustenance of the past, the
platform for the present,
and the framework for the future. if we can remember, then the deaths of
the shoah will not be
so much in vain as in defiance; defiance to the evil which sought to
destory a people. but we are
still here...
bubi wasn't there yet, so shana flopped down on her bed and held her
stuffed penguin, oscar,
tightly. she sighed, then turned on her stereo.  loud guitar and heavy
drums filled her room.
"shana!" yelled her mother, "turn that down, bubi will be here any
minute!" shana obeyed, and
then picked up the telephone. she decided to call ariel, her best
friend, to pass the time until
dinner.
time passed slowly in the camps. each moment another that held a life
destroyed, and
generations vanquished. each agonizing moment was spent in fear and
torture. time was
perversed on planet auschwitz, as it has been called. rightfully so,
because it was so much like
another world.
"hello, ariel? what's with this static, it seems like you're on another
planet," said shana. ariel
adjusted her phone, and the connection was much clearer. "ah," said
shana, "i can hear you
now." "it must have sounded like you were at the drive-thru at burger
king," said ariel, and both
laughed.
the connection to the past must be as clear as possible. we must
remember. we are never to
forget. the lives lost must be sustained through our memories.
"so, what's up?" asked ariel. shana sighed, and told ariel of her boring
sunday on the roof..
again. looking at the clouds... again. serenaded by the cars down
below.. again.  ariel
sympathized, sharing her boring sunday story of cleaning her room,
rollerblading around the
block twenty times, and eating a bowl of ice cream.  the two girls
talked about the upcoming day
at school, and shana confessed that she was working up the courage to
tap the boy in math
class on the shoulder and ask him something.
"ask him out?" inquired ariel.  shana burst out in laughter, then sighed
thoughtfully.
"how about i ask him his name before i propose to him?" shana replied,
and the girls laughed.
shana looked at the clock, and saw that it was almost five.  she told
ariel that she had to go, and
the two said their goodbyes and hung up.  shana quickly changed into a
dress, though she hated
dressed, and threw her ratty, yet favorite jeans onto the floor. she
looked at herself in the mirror,
cursed her hair a second time, and went outside for dinner. bubi was
waiting, and greeted her
with a big hug and a kiss.  the family sat down to a spaghetti dinner,
shana's favorite, and talked
and laughed. after dinner, bubi and shana sat together in shana's room.
she wanted to ask her
bubi about advice regarding the boy in math class.
after explaining her story, bubi put her arm around shana. "my pretty
girl, you will fall in love
one day, and that man will be the happiest man in the world. if you want
to meet the math boy,
meet the math boy. but don't forget, shana, you are but a girl, and your
heart will hold many,
and eventually the one you will hold forever." shana smiled thankfully
at her bubi and they
hugged. bubi then said that she must go, because she was tired. they
said their goodbyes, and
she left.  shana was alone again in her room, and decided to get ready
for bed.
lying in bed under the warm comforter, shana thought of her
grandmother's words. they were
wise, yet were of little immediate comfort to an anxious girl of sixteen
years. she sighed, but she
smiled, and drifted off to sleep to dream of the clouds.
when the smoke lifted up from the chimneys, the clouds received. within
the wisps of ashen
dust were lives, lives that had been unrightfully dashed from the earth.
the clouds held these
lives, and they were lifted to heaven upon white chariots.  bubi is in
the clouds. she is in our
hearts. she died in the shoah. shana, though she never was graced with
the chance to live,
lives here, on the page.  she and ariel represent only two of the
infinite number of lives dashed
and generations denied because of the shoah. we will never forget. we
will make life where
death has taken hold, and we will deny the loss of all hope. life
despite death. life through
memory.

again, i apologize for the length. but can you really condone the
shortening of a life?
-georgy

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from:         katy wischow <indirabbit@aol.com>
subject:      odd times and places...

i was in the grocery store the other day, trying to satisfy a deep desire for
eggo waffles (they were on sale really cheap!)  and my sister jabbed me and
said "that's power of two!"  and so i jabbed her back and said it was not.
but then...i listened...actually i found a speaker and stood still and
stared up at the speaker for about five minutes, earning several strange
looks from passerby, and it was!  it was some strange grocery-store-musak
version of po2 without words, but i swear it was the music!  aghhhhhh!!
*very* scary!
that's all really...i couldn't stand delving into chapter three of my
"relearn all physics or die" study plan...:)
love and peace and free e-mail (hah!)
katy*rabbit*luther*

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from:         audrey beth stein <abstein@force.stwing.upenn.edu>
subject:      re: "ariel" -- thank you (nigc)

i have gotten so many wonderful messages from you all since posting
"ariel" and i just wanted to say thank you.  it still amazes me how words
can affect people.....i am so touched, and most especially by georgy's
"shana," which moved me both in intent and actuality.  there is still so
much good in this world....

thank you all,
audrey

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from:         chris talbot <talbotc@umich.edu>
subject:      honor the earth minn. boot for exchange

hi y'all-

i'm offering an extra copy that i have lying around of the live
minneapolis minnesota honor the earth bootleg, 60 minues, 9/20/96,
audience recording, good quality to the first person who agrees to mail me
a 60 minute maxell xl ii (yes it must be this brand) tape.

setlist:
reunion
get out the map
dont give that girl a gun
least complicated
hey kind friend
it's alright
shame on you
blood quantum (cut)
galileo
bury my heart at wounded knee.

i made a copy for the tape tree from months ago which never got used.
newbies preferred, but not required.

yours,
chris ii, local holocaust junkie

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subject:      life

ok, so i don't have the time to write this, and many of you don't have the
time to read it.  i am going to make this as short as possible, and ask that
no one gets frustrated with me for the small ig content involved.

ever since i became really involved with music, it has helped me through so
much. however, this hasn't been the case lately.  amy and emily normally
help me reflect and move on with certain situations.  now all it is making
me do is struggle from day to day.  i fell in love, i mean really in love.
well, needless to say it didn't end up working out...corinne you already
know the story, sorry to repeat it!  anyway, she decided that she wanted to
be straight.  great!  what the hell, was my only reaction, and then a big
fuck you!  well, i didn't talk to her for a while, but she has been calling
me again lately, and i can tell that i am not over her in the least.  it is
driving me crazy!  i want to forget her, but nothing is working.

so i put in this tape the other day to get my mind off of things.  not
realizing which tape it was, i push play.  the promise comes on and i
realize that it is a tape that she made me.  great, and the next song was
watershed.  so now ig and t. chapman is a reminder.  ok, enough of this
rambling, but there are not that many people here who would understand this
situation with smiles on their faces.  so anything that anyone wants to tell
me?  please, i need to get on with my life. ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

ok, well, i hope that everyone has a great night.  i need to go for a long
car ride!
peace and good fortunes!
tucker


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you have to laugh at yourself
because you'd cry your eyes out
if you didn't
---ig
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from:         chris talbot <talbotc@umich.edu>
subject:      hte minn is gone.

sorry kids, said bootleg has already been spoken for.

chris ii

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from:         kimberly hobbs <kimlin@vcn.bc.ca>
subject:      gays in nazi germany nigc

hi indifans,

if anyone is interested in what really happened to homosexuals in war
time germany at the hands of the nazis then pick up a copy of the pink
triangle by richard plant. i just want to nip the comments chrisii made
in the bud, there were horrible atrocities endured by homosexuals at the
hands of the nazi regime, experiments, beatings, torture. to dismiss their
plight as, "oh, they were put into work camps, not sent on trains" etc, is
totally irresponsible, in june of 1942 the 'final solution' was worked out
for homosexuals, they were put on a special liquidation command where
forced labour and starvation would bring a slow, painful death, as they
dragged bodies to the bone mill under constant beration of nazi guards,
who by the way took pot shots at them for money as they worked. they were
whipped, forced into pits and shot. they were ostracized by all other
groups, the lowest of the low. i could go on and on about this. pick up
the book, in it are countless other recources for information.

peace, kim n.v.

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from:         shana smulyan <knave4@aol.com>
subject:      re: more "this train" ruminations
x-to:         talbotc@umich.edu

in a message dated 97-01-19 17:23:38 est, talbotc@umich.edu (chris talbot)
writes:

<< for me, the song is about jews, and about genocide, and how
*jews* were killed, perhaps with homosexuals, gypsies and political
prisoners along side in some sense. >>

you make a good argument that the holocaust affected more jews than the
various others who were persecuted.  however i have to say i have always
thought of the song's use of the word "don't" as reffering to the persecution
of the "others" (gay's gypsies, etc.).  it is true that the killing of jews
was more systematic, cruel, and not as easy to hide, but it has been my
experiance that most people don't even realize that others were killed.  in
my many classes about the holocaust in both my jewish and secular educations,
the phrase spoken is always remeber the 6 million.  to me, not remembering
the other 6 million is like aproving of their deaths.  so perhaps i was
looking for someone to address the issue, and that may be why i veiwed the
song in that way.

west of bishes
shana (jak)

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subject:      martin luther king, jr.'s birthday

oh, and happy martin luther king, jr. day!  he was such a great man, and we
should
>all remember his life today.

        i second that.  me believeths the ig's are also using the same form
of nonviolent protest as exemplified by mlk, with regards to prejudices
still lingering in our society -- homophobia, racism, sexism, big government
vs. indigenous peoples, the suppression of the voice of the average person
-- through their wonderful music!

        the power of truth is the fuel for the flame
        so the darker the ages get there's a stronger beacon yet
        let it be me...
        if the world is night shine my life like a light
        in the kind word you speak, in the turn of a cheek

        when your vision stays clear in the face of your fear
        then you see turning off a light switch is their only power
        when we stand like spotlights in a mighty tower
        all for one and one for all, then we sing the common call
        let it be me --  e.s.

        but mlk and ig are just role models; it is really up to *all of us*,
if this war against prejudice and discrimination is to be won!!!!!  i'm
ohsoglad to know that there are so many "spotlights" out there on this list
and in ig fandom.  it is so positive, encouraging, and energizing.  i am
privileged to be amongst such an enlightened group of souls!  don't give up
the fight.

we're all in the same big boat, we can all sink or we can float... the police

        "it is believed that for a man to lay down his life for the love of
others is the supreme sacrifice.  jesus christ by his own example showed us
that there is no greater love.  for nearly 2,000 years now we have been
striving to have the strength to follow that example.  martin luther king
was a man who had that strength.  he showed us, non-violently, a better way
of life, a way of mutual respect, helping us to avoid much bitter
confrontation and inevitable bloodshed.  we still have a long road to travel
until we reach the world that was his dream.  we in the united states must
not forget either his supreme sacrifice or that dream."    steveland morris
a/k/a stevie wonder
<from his hotter than july, lp, 1980>

                        martin luther king, jr.
                    january 15, 1929 - april 4, 1968

                 happy birthday to you !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

mlk dreams~~

i      tony "the chickenman" @:-} houston, tx                  g
n                                                              i
d      baby i said it's all in our hands                       r
i      got to learn to respect what we don't understand        l
g      we are fortunate ones fortunate ones i swear  - ar      s
o

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subject:      more about nazis - nigc
in-reply-to:  <pine.gso.3.95.970120101351.2214c-100000@opus.vcn.bc.ca>

hi indifans,

i'd like to acknowledge chrisii as an authority on this subject matter.
we have been wrangling back and forth now for a few messages! i thank her
for her information but i must stress that the bottom line for me, is that
homosexuals were persecuted, it isn't a contest, ie. well the jews were
gassed, the gays were only worked to death. that scares me. that it
happened at all is the point. that i am a lesbian and those like me from
another generation who loved the way i do were taken from their homes,
stripped of all dignity, shamed, starved then killed.

the book the pink triangle, as i found out, has been dismissed and
criticized in academic circles, i stand by the book and its significant
resource list for reading material. some of which are actual diary
accountings by gay holocaust survivors. who has the right to say their
voices aren't worth listening to?

peace, kim n.v.

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date:         mon, 20 jan 1997 11:18:23 -0800
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from:         tony fraps <tonyfrapsiv@earthlink.net>
subject:      re: gays in nazi germany nigc

at 10:29 am 1/20/97 -0800, you wrote:
to dismiss their plight as, "oh, they were put into work camps, not sent on
trains" etc, is totally irresponsible,
>peace, kim n.v.

hi kim -
        i have to admit that i found that attitude quite offensive too (i.e.
that gays were only worked to death, not shot or gassed, so somehow this
atrocity was less than what the jews suffered.  it was probably a greater
relief to be killed than to be worked and starved to death imho.)
        how can any of these atrocities be minimized?  it was all horrible.
it is a black eye to the human race, however, we must learn from it <the
devil is in our bones - ar) and most importantly never forget.
        just my 2 bits.

i      tony "the chickenman" @:-} houston, tx                  g
n                                                              i
d      baby i said it's all in our hands                       r
i      got to learn to respect what we don't understand        l
g      we are fortunate ones fortunate ones i swear  - ar      s
o

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date:         mon, 20 jan 1997 12:26:45 -0800
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ok, i am going to ask again, because i only got a few responses, but i
have a lot of boots, and if you also have a good number, how about doing
some trading?  i have some freetime since it's the beginning of the
semester and i want to prepare for a nuclear winter by having enough ig
boots to listen to.  thanks everybody!

wendell

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subject:      i'm back / even aquarians video

hey folks,

  well, i've returned from arizona.  there is this strange phenomonon
about boston these days. people think they have civic pride because
10,000 people turn out for a football team pep rally.  funny thing is
when i left six weeks ago they were bitching how all of the sports
teams here "suck."  weird.  i can't imagine how they'd handle a 29
year drought....

  anyway, i'm back after my extended leave and i'm re-opening the
dubbing for the "on the road to austin" video (aquarians with even
birthdays).  i appreciate everyone's patience.  if you sent me a tape
while i was away, i put your dubbed copy in the mail this morning.
you should get it very soon.

                        go pack!

                          chris

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subject:      nigc-hollins and sarah lawrence

sorry to take up space, but i thought perhaps i could get some help from
you listfolk.  i'm a sophomore at emory and i'm probably transferring next
year, as my major is creative writing, and the cw dept here is really
tiny. my 2 top choices are hollins and sarah lawrence, and i would
_really_ appreciate it if any of y'all who go to either school could fill
me in on what they're like (thanks to bill already for helping).
        thanks,
          julie
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from:         chris talbot <talbotc@umich.edu>
subject:      re: more "this train" ruminations
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thanks for teh compliment.  i have no doubt that amy includes in her
lyrical content a host of "others," yet at the same time it seems to me
that the "don't" figures as amy's ruminations that those killed,
whomever they are, are not her people, not her sisters, her brothers, her
fathers, mothers, etc.
>
> you make a good argument that the holocaust affected more jews than the
> various others who were persecuted.  however i have to say i have always
> thought of the song's use of the word "don't" as reffering to the persecution
> of the "others" (gay's gypsies, etc.).  it is true that the killing of jews
> was more systematic, cruel, and not as easy to hide, but it has been my
> experiance that most people don't even realize that others were killed.  in
> my many classes about the holocaust in both my jewish and secular educations,
> the phrase spoken is always remeber the 6 million.  to me, not remembering
> the other 6 million is like aproving of their deaths.  so perhaps i was
> looking for someone to address the issue, and that may be why i veiwed the
> song in that way.

i concur completely that not remembering the 6 million "others" is indeed
a historical sin.  even with an interpretation that makes the song about
both jews and "others," though, in my view amy seems to recognise that
her social context as a white american middle class lesbian is different
from and makes the level of oppression far less than those folks, jewish
or otherwise, something different from her own position, her own people.
i absolutely concur that the song is about both "jews" and "others" killed
in the holocaust, my argument (which is currently being somewhat misread)
was that amy's use of the word "don't" signifies to me that she is aware
of her own distance from nazi oppression.

yours,
chris ii

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date:         mon, 20 jan 1997 17:39:13 -0600
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from:         joe <joejr-tv@ix.netcom.com>
subject:      re: gays in nazi germany nigc

tony fraps wrote:
>
> at 10:29 am 1/20/97 -0800, you wrote:
>  to dismiss their plight as, "oh, they were put into work camps, not sent on
> trains" etc, is totally irresponsible,
> >peace, kim n.v.
>
> hi kim -
>         i have to admit that i found that attitude quite offensive too (i.e.
> that gays were only worked to death, not shot or gassed, so somehow this
> atrocity was less than what the jews suffered.  it was probably a greater
> relief to be killed than to be worked and starved to death imho.)
>         how can any of these atrocities be minimized?  it was all horrible.
> it is a black eye to the human race, however, we must learn from it <the
> devil is in our bones - ar) and most importantly never forget.
>         just my 2 bits.
>
> i      tony "the chickenman" @:-} houston, tx                  g
> n                                                              i
> d      baby i said it's all in our hands                       r
> i      got to learn to respect what we don't understand        l
> g      we are fortunate ones fortunate ones i swear  - ar      s
> o
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here is my 2 cents.......

it was not only horrible it was criminal.  it doesn't matter what is
done to you.  no matter what it is, it is wrong!

peace!

joe

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date:         mon, 20 jan 1997 18:59:18 -0500
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from:         chris talbot <talbotc@umich.edu>
subject:      re: more about nazis - nigc
x-to:         kimberly hobbs <kimlin@vcn.bc.ca>
in-reply-to:  <pine.gso.3.95.970120105944.2214e-100000@opus.vcn.bc.ca>

i concur with the below message completely, (except for the part that
refers to me as an "authority," a term i am consistently uncomfortable
with, i'm just strugglin to get through, just like everybody else!)

as i have commented extensively to kim in private e-mail (i can hear you
all breathing a sigh of relief that you don't have to read another message
like *that* again!), while my comments could be read in the "homosexuals
were less persecuted than jews" vein, that is not the vein in which i
meant them.  the vein in which i meant them was to suggest that the use of
the word "don't" in this train, in my vision of the song, which is my
vision only, suggests that amy sees a difference between herself and those
being persecuted in the holocaust.  they are not her mothers/sisters/
brothers etc.

homosexuals were absolutely persecuted in the nazi era and were not "only"
worked to death, but brutally worked to death.  thanks, kim, for bringing
some clarity to that.

yours,
chris ii, who thinks those numbers behind her name make her look smarter
than she really is ;-)

> hi indifans, >
> i'd like to acknowledge chrisii as an authority on this subject matter.
> we have been wrangling back and forth now for a few messages! i thank her
> for her information but i must stress that the bottom line for me, is that
> homosexuals were persecuted, it isn't a contest, ie. well the jews were
> gassed, the gays were only worked to death. that scares me. that it
> happened at all is the point. that i am a lesbian and those like me from
> another generation who loved the way i do were taken from their homes,
> stripped of all dignity, shamed, starved then killed.
>
> the book the pink triangle, as i found out, has been dismissed and
> criticized in academic circles, i stand by the book and its significant
> resource list for reading material. some of which are actual diary
> accountings by gay holocaust survivors. who has the right to say their
> voices aren't worth listening to?
>
> peace, kim n.v.
>
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date:         mon, 20 jan 1997 18:22:55 -0600
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from:         lorinda wright <wright@biodec.wustl.edu>
subject:      re: las cruces boot
x-to:         chickensoprano <creechal%aslan.emu.edu@wuvmd.wustl.edu>
in-reply-to:  <9000af786c@aslan.emu.edu>

> at the end of "cut it out", is that amy singing?  it sounds like
> her, but she usually doesn't sing that high, so i wondered if it was

yeah. it's amy singing a falsetto. she's breaking all sorts of new
ground, wouldn't ya say? :)

folkisgruven,
lorindigo

still driving...
lorinda wright           the trouble in my head is getting closer and closer
washington university     to my legs i've got to walk it out. and the trouble
st. louis, mo             with my heart is that i can't rip it out. and the
                          trouble with myself is that i don't know me.
                                                        -melissa ferrick
                    i will not be complacent

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subject:      re: gays in nazi germany nigc
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all true, all true.  again, my appologies for writing comments that could
be interpreted as "homosexuals were only" persecuted in thus and such a
way.  my central point was not that homosexuals weren't brutally and
criminally and evilly persecuted during the nazi era, only that as a
matter of state policy a difference existed between homosexuals and jews.

my hope is that this will be the last post i will make to the list about
this very convoluted and difficult subject and clarifying my position
about homosexuals in the holocaust, my appologies to those whom my
comments offended, be it via a misreading or simply that my position is
offensive.  but it's only my position, no one elses.

i still stand by my interpretation of amy's use of the word "don't" as
suggestive that those persecuted in the holocaust, be them jewish,
homosexual, gypsy, political criminals, communists, or green-haired
people, were somehow not her mothers, sisters, brothers, etc.

sorry guys, love you all,
chris ii


on mon, 20 jan 1997, kimberly hobbs wrote:

> hi indifans,
>
> if anyone is interested in what really happened to homosexuals in war
> time germany at the hands of the nazis then pick up a copy of the pink
> triangle by richard plant. i just want to nip the comments chrisii made
> in the bud, there were horrible atrocities endured by homosexuals at the
> hands of the nazi regime, experiments, beatings, torture. to dismiss their
> plight as, "oh, they were put into work camps, not sent on trains" etc, is
> totally irresponsible, in june of 1942 the 'final solution' was worked out
> for homosexuals, they were put on a special liquidation command where
> forced labour and starvation would bring a slow, painful death, as they
> dragged bodies to the bone mill under constant beration of nazi guards,
> who by the way took pot shots at them for money as they worked. they were
> whipped, forced into pits and shot. they were ostracized by all other
> groups, the lowest of the low. i could go on and on about this. pick up
> the book, in it are countless other recources for information.
>
> peace, kim n.v.
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as painful as it is to hear amy sing in her head voice i have to give her
credit! then again, it's really a rock song, it doesn't have to sound
beautiful, does it?
see ya later,
ben

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date:         mon, 20 jan 1997 19:53:53 -0500
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from:         nickie post <booomsgirl@aol.com>
subject:      aol users

just because a person uses aol as a server doesn't mean that we're all stupid
or that we need one more person to make fun of it.  i have aol and another
isp and don't see the superiority i always seem to hear about from those who
don't "approve" of aol.  give it up--what a silly thing to spurt
disrespectful generalities about

my 2 cents,

nickie

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date:         mon, 20 jan 1997 21:09:20 -0500
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subject:      rumor- tour dates set !!

ok guys - this is just a rumor !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i was talking to one of my ig-buddies - also a fellow ig-bootlegger ...

he said they have three dates set aside at oakdale theatre in wallingford, ct
already .... i'm trying to squeeze more info out of him ....

more later !!!!!!!!!!!

chris # ??????????

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date:         mon, 20 jan 1997 21:11:48 -0500
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from:         "georgy v. cohen" <sprocket@scorequest.com>
subject:      an ig screen saver!

while perusing the merchandise at a music store about a year ago, i came
upon a bunch of software. it was a bunch of screensavers with video
clips from artists. made by sony, the artists were mainly epic artists.
the first one i bough was toad the wet sprocket. the second one i came
across was one for indigo girls "touch me fall"!!!! i bought it and it
is quite neat. it plays a 40 second clip from the video for "touch me
fall" and has 6 different ways to have the screen saver. it also has two
<cheesy> games, where you match fragmented video images or something.
but it is awesome! the page to get info is:

http://www.sony.com/music/screeners or email screeners@sonymusic.com

the last time i bought one, it was in a discount bin. i don't know if
production is discontinued or not, but just in case it isnt.. :)

-georgy

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date:         mon, 20 jan 1997 20:25:50 -0500
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organization: eastern mennonite university
subject:      i heard ig in shoney's!!

this evening two of my friends who live off-campus and i went out to dinner
'cause we do this once a week.  this time we went to shoney's.  not one of my
particular favorites, but hey, the company was good!  anyway, we're sitting
there talking away, and i'm really listening to one of my friends tell this
story.  all of a sudden it hits me that the background music being played was
galileo!  once i realize this, my friends start laughing 'cause they had been
waiting through out the whole song for me to hear that it was being played.
silly me, i didn't hear it until the last run through the chorus!

then again, my friend who was talking at the time is a very captivating
storyteller...  :)

anna <--who was so flustered at the time that she thought she may have turned a
lovely shade of indigo...  ;)


"life as an actor is a bit easier to take
if you admit you're bonkers."  -michael shurtleff


http://narnia.emu.edu/pub/students/creechal/creechal.htm

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subject:      live at the uptown lounge!

hi everyone,

i have been trying to find this video for quite awhile now and i have been
quite unsucessful.  does anyone have any suggestions?  i was thinking of
contacting sony, but i wasn't sure how to that.  any help would be greatly
appreciated-e-mail me privately.  thanks in advance.

stacey

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over land and tide,
without a thought of fear-
man never had
the faith in god
that he has in an engineer.

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