lifeblood: listlogs: 1997-03d

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date:         fri, 21 mar 1997 20:07:23 -0900
reply-to:     mary eichman <eichman@polarnet.com>
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from:         mary eichman <eichman@polarnet.com>
subject:      (nigc) alaska fans??
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at 06:10 pm 3/20/97 -0500, tucker wrote:
>ps...has anyone heard anything from scott from alaska? it has been so long
>since i have heard from him, and i am just wondering if he is still around!!!

*gasp* there are more???

sorry to post this, guys, but i'm a list newbie (love it so far, btw!)..and
until tucker made this comment, i was beginning to think i was all alone!
any other alaska-based fans out there? i'd love to correspond with ya'll,
perhaps we could bump into one another one day!! also, does anyone have any
idea if ig are going to ever come to alaska? no one cool ever tours here..*sigh*

mary
north pole, alaska
about..um..15 miles south of fairbanks..anyone? anyone? *crossing my fingers*

hey all :)

well i was taking a nap...yes a nap, being lazy takes a lot outta
me...anyway i fell asleep listening to honor1 and i woke right when
blood quantum came on (destiny perhaps?)...well i went to my desk and
started drawing and by the time the song was over i had this picture...i
tought it might be a okay design to give to amy at the ft. worth concert
(yes i will be there...row c, yippee!!!)...enough with my jibberish,
i'll try to describe -> it's done it pencil, in the background is a
tipee (sp?....too many ding-dongs), in the fore ground an outline of a
bird with it's wings outspread....the bottom half of the bird kinda
blends into an indian...he doesn't have a face but where it should be
are the letters "ig"...the indians arms are outstretched and written
them is a line from blood quantum "wisdom deep within the rock outlives
the pretty lies upon the face"....that's basically it...what do ya'll
think? we could make two of these shirts and give one to am and one to
emily since they both wrote blood quantum...just an idea...shoot me down
if u must but please be gentle, i bruise easliy :)

recycle religion...it's been done before,
nanzajellybean

"your actions will follow you full circle round" - _center stage_ by amy ray

in a message dated 97-03-19 22:10:00 est, indigofrk write:

<< but they thought bush tix were more important. >>

ohmygoosshhhhh!!! i went to the the first bush concert on march 20th at
miami arena. it **rocked**!! of course...an ig concert would have been
better, but hey, it was still pretty cool.

     with all of the discussion of taping ig concerts, i decided to try it
with bush .  i was completely frisked by this _nasty_ guy...but with the
guidance of fellow listees, i had my tape recorder nestled safely in the
front of my pants (didn't have to use the pad excuse).  basically, all i
taped was a bunch of people screaming and a relatively good version of
"swallowed"(yeah buddy!!).  thanks to all who contributed to my first
sorta-cool boot experience! = )

*believe in yourself*
nicole

oops. forgot the .org part the first time 'round.

sorry, guys, but rescue # 2 has more than expired.  i've been inundated!
to those of you who have already responded, i'll get responses out soon.
shame shame shame on me, i'm so far behind.  umm, it seems sweetie joanie,
though, is making a tape tree, so don't everybody panic.  we love you,
we'll get you a copy.

bury my heart under piles of sases,
chris ii

     in my attempt to relieve the "emily at decatur" burden from joni, i've
offered to dub the audio boots (and she the video).  if you are interested,
you will need to send a 100 min. blank and sase to myself.  e-mail me
privately if you are interested. (nix64@aol.com)

have a good one y'all-
nicole

i third it!! or fourth it...depends on where i am in line...i say we
collect addresses and send one fax (that way a million faxes won't piss
him off) and let him know about the idea!!!
-sal (who is very tipsy right now and just got back from the club, so if
there're any typos, pardon...)

"i hold it i fold it i throw it on the floor..i wrote it but maybe i'm afraid that you'll be bored...it's very real and true and sad and hopeful just like me...it's one of those things i'll never tell i'll carve it in a tree......" -k's choice "wait"

does anyone remember back in january? someone posted the jive-talk addy?
where you send something to it and it returns translated into jive
talk??? i'd love to have it if anyone had it written down..i did but,
slap mah fro'!, i lost it...*shame on me*
tony?? i thought i saw it on the table in that stack of papers at the
party...surely you have it, dont you buddy?
and by the way, while i'm on the subject, tony does rock...and is a
fabulous host...
signing off!
-the drunk, typoless, sal...
yay me!

at 11:09 am 3/21/97 est, sundara wrote:
>>and, my gawd, this could be big.  i don't know how i feel about it.  but
>>i can definately see this going top 40.  augh.  the thought turns my
>>stomach a little bit.  color me selfish, but i don't want them to get too
>>big.  although, part of me thinks that is dumb of me and i should want as
>>many people as possible to hear the messages and the beauty of their
>>music, but still i want them all for me and other equally devoted fans.

and then tony wrote:
>        isn't this like really close to what soy is about -- unnecessarily
>keeping immigrants out of the *promised land*?  let's open up our arms and
>our hearts wide to welcome the new ig converts -- love expands as it is
>given, amyray, so the more the better, i say!! :)
>        can you imagine the whole world groovin' to ig tunes?  it would
>surely be a drastic improvement for the state of humankind and the world!

i have to say, you both make sense.  the world would be a better place if
everyone understood ig's music, but i don't want people liking the sound
but completely missing the message.  ideally the world will get into the
sound and then start to think about what else there is to it.  that's the
real benefit of having something that's popular--the important message in
easily-digestible form.  i wouldn't be surprised if that's a lot of what
was on emily's mind when she was musing about the possibility of having a
hit (in the atlanta amy article).  it's certainly something i strive for
in my own work.  but it can backfire, and some people (namely that
"stream of consciousness amy!!!" woman) just don't *deserve* to hear the
music.  i'd love to see a world full of people who deserved the music,
but if that's not gonna happen then i'm with sundara, i'd rather the
audience be smaller and more enlightened (or enlightenable).  if you're
just listening for the sake of a couple of catchy tunes, you won't
realize you're missing anything anyway...

as far as "shame on you" goes....i went back and listened to the versions
on mapped (nojf--early may and santa fe--late august) and then to the
album version which i dubbed and andi so wonderfully transcribed.  it's
neat hearing the change, and i gotta admit, i wasn't all too impressed
with either nojf or santa fe, but the album version rocks.  maybe it does
lose a little of the rawness but in trying to keep it more controls it
gains a certain bite which i think makes the song.  the change from
"mexico meeting ground" to "chicano city park" does a lot, especially with
the hardness of the "k" sound in middle of "chicano."  strange what a
difference a word can make.  and that laugh on "i never know what to
say"....i love that laugh.  it's my favorite part of the song (along with
tanner's quote).  this song may well be the one...whether or not people
pay attention to the lyrics it has a sound and a beat that get stuck in
your head.

g'night y'all,
audrey
*who is happy because her years of dedication as an off the beat
fan/photographer finally paid off with a front row seat with her name on
it!

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at 01:32 am 3/22/97 -0500, audrey wrote:
some people (namely that "stream of consciousness amy!!!" woman) just don't
*deserve* to hear the music.

that's the exact same type of line-drawing that go into immigration
policies. some people just don't *deserve* to come into this country....
isn't there an underlying prejudice and discrimination at work there???

        to be honest, before today, i supported a "closed door" policy to
immigration into the us, but when i saw sundara's post and translated it
into ig fandom, everything fell into place and i realized that i was wrong
about us immigration, as well.  this is a wonderful country and it *should*
be open to all.  we're in one big boat and somehow we have to make this
strange, but beautiful world congeal.

this is not a fighting message~

heart!
tony

hey y'all-

i just want to say that it will be a great day when i can go to school
and people actually know who the girls are and what their message is. i
really wish that i could afford to make a tape of the girls for
everybody i know or start up a radio station where it was all indigo all
day (we actually had a station like that for the beatles). everyone
deserves to hear the girls and the girls sure as hell deserve to be
heard by all.

i also wanted to join in and say that sir chickenman is the best! i say
we start another little fan club, this one for that goofy man down in
houston (aka tony), do i hear an amen?!?

love and indigo for all,
mandi

ha, and you thought i couldn't post without saying something about amy's
birthday present. (that'll be in the next post) =)

yup, i heard her at work too. and the next round thru i was #4...arrrrgh!
i hope we all win! :)

on fri, 21 mar 1997, kathy miller wrote:

> hey, i just heard the coolest thing - the d.j. on kmtt just said that
> 'p.j.' won a ticket to the ig party.  way to go pj!!  fun to hear a list
> member win the first time i turn on the radio to the contest.  at least
> i'm assuming this is our one & only favorite pj of list fame.
>
> only fifty-two hours left to sit by the radio all weekend & try to be the
> 3rd caller next time ig comes on.  enough already, my redial finger is
> getting a cramp :-)
>
> --
> administrative requests should not be sent to the list!
> to unsubscribe, send email to listserv@netspace.org
>         with the line: signoff indigo-girls
>

*************************************************************************
it's like trying to fight gravity on a planet that insists
that love is like falling and falling is like this.--ani
*****gwen keyt******
seattle pacific university
bsn class of 1997!!!
gkeyt@paul.spu.edu

in a message dated 97-03-21 19:45:25 est, you write:

<< i'm salivating as i imagine a swirl of blueberry/strawberry
sorbet with something crunchy in it, maybe nuts of some kind. mmmmm....
>>

uuuuhhh i have an idea !!!
how about...uhhh...grape nuts ?

heh.
bink

shame, miss binkles. you are so naughty. <little slap>
:p

i made it with granola, for the record. it was yummy!! (but i still love
grape nuts)

> in a message dated 97-03-21 19:45:25 est, you write:
>
> << i'm salivating as i imagine a swirl of blueberry/strawberry
> sorbet with something crunchy in it, maybe nuts of some kind. mmmmm....
> >>
>
> uuuuhhh i have an idea !!!
> how about...uhhh...grape nuts ?
>
> heh.
> bink
>
> --
> administrative requests should not be sent to the list!
> to unsubscribe, send email to listserv@netspace.org
> with the line: signoff indigo-girls
>

in a message dated 97-03-22 01:23:03 est, you write:

<< does anyone remember back in january? someone posted the jive-talk addy?
where you send something to it and it returns translated into jive
talk??? i'd love to have it if anyone had it written down..i did but,
slap mah fro'!, >>

i didn't say anything when the first round of this was on the list...
i know that those who find it funny are good, well meaning people.
but i must speak up.
i was horrified when somebody posted the lyrics to "get out the map" after
they had been run through that thing.
i think the whole 'jive speak' thing is blatantly racist. it reared it's head
when the eubonics debate was pulled out of context and held up for
ridicule by the media and many people blindly took the bait.
i saw a lot of uglyness around the issue and this translation thing is
a big part of it...it feeds into divisiveness and is not a good thing.
rather than treat the subject of liguistics with seriousness and respect
people are tossing stereotypes straight out of 'step n' fetchit' and this
only furthers ugly attitudes, and makes it clear that racism is alive
and sick in america today....
i urge people to rethink this ...it's not right.
love !!!!!
claire

in a message dated 97-03-21 23:15:48 est, you write:

<< isn't this like really close to what soy is about -- unnecessarily
keeping immigrants out of the *promised land*? let's open up our arms and
our hearts wide to welcome the new ig converts -- love expands as it is
given, amyray, so the more the better, i say!! :) >>

tony !!!!
oh stop it !!! you are sending me into a sugar coma !
<g>
miss thing ;)

you stay up all night listening to a radio station that plays about 90%
annoying music on the highly unlikely chance that you will somehow manage
to be one of the first three callers to this station and win a ticket to a
private listening party of the new cd w/ ig.

tracy <wondering why she got stuck with the overnight shift...>

tracy
self-proclaimed sergeant at arms and charter member of the yknib ssim fan
club

"dance the edge of sanity i've never been this clooosssse..."
-- emily saliers, "ghost"

~^~^~ now with a web page i am only slightly afraid of sharing...
http://www.geocities.com/westhollywood/5195/

i don't know if any of you thought to do this yet but, the soy clip on
that radio station's page is in .wav format so you can use it for
little effects on your computer.  so now when i turn it on, i hear the
lovely music of miss amy ray and the radiant miss emily saliers singin
shame on you!  amazing, i couldn't find any other ig clips in .wav and
i already have shame on you and i haven't even heard the whole studio
version yet!
    peace y'all
        leah

only 4 more hours till i leave for florida! the darn server keeps on
sending me messages saying blah blah blah illegal blah blah blah set
indigo-girls no mail blah were not going to do that for ya we'd much
prefer for you to come home in a week with 7 bazillion e-mails!

is
http://wwww.kfog.com/new/releases/index.html

leah

i wrote:
>some people (namely that "stream of consciousness amy!!!" woman) just don't
>*deserve* to hear the music.

and tony wrote back:
>        that's the exact same type of line-drawing that go into immigration
>policies.  some people just don't *deserve* to come into this country....
>isn't there an underlying prejudice and discrimination at work there???
>
>        to be honest, before today, i supported a "closed door" policy to
>immigration into the us, but when i saw sundara's post and translated it
>into ig fandom, everything fell into place and i realized that i was wrong
>about us immigration, as well.  this is a wonderful country and it *should*
>be open to all.  we're in one big boat and somehow we have to make this
>strange, but beautiful world congeal.
>
>this is not a fighting message~

i'm glad tony wrote that, because i posted when i was tired and didn't
make things as clear as i could have.  i do agree that both the country
and the music *should* be open to all.  don't get me wrong there.  i
believe deeply in all that egalitarian democratic equal-opportunity stuff.
but just because someone is allowed to live in the us or go to an ig
concert doesn't mean the person *deserves* that.  yes, tony, i do have my
own prejudices---i'm intolerant of intolerance and ignorance.  period.  i
try to fight both with education whenever possible.  in elementary school,
middle school, and high school i ran a one-woman campaign to get people
clued in about judaism.  i'd turn any passing comment into an excuse to
educate.

i still do this but now i try to do it other ways, mostly through my
writing--fiction, essays, articles, web pages, and emails.  sometimes i'll
do a more direct political piece when it's needed.  i struggle now with
the question of the relative importance of using my name versus getting a
message out...i'm sure a lot of you can relate.  you can see what i
decided for penn's b-glad supplement at
http://dolphin.upenn.edu/~lgba/beatitudes.htm.

occasionally, though, a person just can't be educated, or it may not be
worth the efforts or the repercussions, and that bugs the hell outta me.
i really did think about trying to explain it to the girl at hofstra, but
i didn't know how.  "excuse me, i know how much you like the indigo girls,
and i don't want to spoil your party, but you're being really rude and
disrespectful right now."  nope.  wouldn't work.  she was probably
thinking *i* didn't deserve that spot up front because i wasn't professing
my love at the top of my lungs constantly.  i either would have hurt her
feelings or gotten into an argument or at least had bad vibes around me
(and her) for the rest of the show.  the best thing really was to let it
go right then, and i chose to take my anger and frustration here...partly
to vent, but partly because i thought perhaps there are people (lurkers,
lots of lurkers :) who join this listserv with only a surface enjoyment of
the music but would benefit from seeing how much more there is to it.

i'm trying to think how to explain this whole thing in another way.  i
believe in equal-opportunities but i also believe in elitism in a way.
does that seem contradictory?  if i can explain this one then we're
getting somewhere.  discrimination based on race, gender, sexual
orientation, and the like is just plain wrong.  (affirmative action is a
sticky point, so i'm ignoring it for the sake of this post.)
discrimination based on abilities, merits, talents, and the like is not
only necessary at times but beneficial.  i'd love to be able to play
basketball with the seattle reign, for example, but it wouldn't be fun
for them, it wouldn't be fun for the fans, and quite simply i don't
deserve it.  i don't have the talents (understatement of the morning) and
i also haven't done all the work and sacrifice to get there.  so as long
as there are other places to play basketball, where it doesn't matter how
good or bad i am, i'm happy.

the educational system works the same way.  public education (k-12, state
and community colleges, and even headstart) ensure that *everyone* who
wants an education can get it.  it's not all perfect and some schools are
better than others, but the ideal is there and it's a good and important
one.  i went to  public school for six years, though, and it was *not* a
good place for me.  when you have to cater to everybody, you wind up
catering to the majority and losing people.  how many supersmart people
do you know who just got so bored by high school that they just flunked
out and burned their life away?  it's not uncommon in any educational
system where you're required to go but you're not being challenged.  you
lose that desire to learn.  i hate to think about how much less i would
be getting out of life now if i hadn't gone to the schools i've gone
to...elite prep school and ivy league college.  let me make clear before
you all start flaming me, i am *not* trying to say that taft and penn are
better than wherever you go or went to school.  i am saying they were
better for *me*.  i understand that it's possible to find teachers of the
same (or better) caliber in the public educational system.  what i've
benefitted most from in these places is having fellow students who were
just as smart as me (or smarter), just as interested as me (or more
interested), just as determined as me (or more determined) to get the
most out of education and life.  i wouldn't have that to the extent i
do--if at all--in a less-selective school.  and i've learned so much from
that challenge and from the people around me.

so i think there is a way to combine equal-opportunities with elitism,
and as long as the elitism is based on some sort of merit then it can
certainly be a beneficial thing.  i don't think the indigo girls should
ever stop playing for open audiences, but you've gotta admit how cool it
would be if they had a show just for their most devoted listees.  i think
*they* would really get into that, so long as they're convinced that we
are devoted as opposed to obsessed.  you know, i could be posting to
alt.music.indigo-girls instead, which i'd bet has a larger audience, but
i post here because i know y'all *care* about what i have to say.  and
i've gotten emails from lots (well, not *lots*, but quite a few) of
people about my web page, and while it's certainly nice to read a
"thanks" or a "that's a cool page" i treasure the ones from people who
really connected, who really got what i was trying to say in a piece or
who recognized what a gift it is to have that kind of introduction to a
person.  i put a lot out there.  i hope for the world's sake that lots of
people benefit, but i hope for my sake that it reaches the people who can
truly appreciate my art and me.

i'm still not sure about the immigration stuff...i haven't thought it
through all that much.  i might change my mind, but for now i think i'm
basically in favor of an open-door policy.  let in everyone who's tolerant
or could learn to be, i think i like that limitation.  i'm not quite good
enough or selfless enough or masochistic enough to "turn the other
cheek."  but people should be free to associate with whoever they want,
and purely voluntary associations by nature are more restrictive.  this
list for example.  open to all but if you're not an indigo girls fan
you'll likely either convert or weed yourself out pretty quickly.  and,
yes, both options are possible.  my coursework at penn has been
heavily concentrated in liberal arts, but i was fortunate enough to
stumble across the science and technology wing (living-learning dorm
program) my freshman year--they lived downstairs--i made friends and
learned lots from them.  i learned why they were interested in all this
stuff that had bored me throughout high school, and now i'm so into the
computer thing that i'm looking for work doing web design.  so it *is*
possible for someone who's barely a fan to get into this list and then
get more into the music.

i guess i should stop here.  i really wasn't planning to write this long,
and congratulations to all of you who reached the end.  tony, i'm glad
you called me on that one and i'd be interested to hear more replies.
(if anyone wants to respond to something completely nigc i've said, it's
probably best to take it to private email, and i'll try to respond, but
any in-depth conversations are probably gonna have to wait a while, just
b/c i don't have time, not b/c i don't want to have the discussion.  :)

take care,
audrey

after the "jive interpreter" contarversy (which i also find to be really
racist) i decided to have some fun.

you see i happen to own a sweedish chef interpreter and i got to wondering
-- how would the chef sing soy.....

-- chris (my "chef" runs on a unix box --
if you'd like a copy, let me know)

<*starts rubbing chin and looking into space as the picture fades into *>
<*a&e bouncing with wooden spoons in hand, facial hair, and a chef' hat*>

sheme oon yooo

        my freeends zeey vesh zee veendoos
        und zeey sheene-a in zee soon
        zeey tell me-a veke-a up ierly in zee murneeng sumeteeme-a
        see-a vhet a beooteeffool jub ve'fe-a dune-a

        i seeed let's poot oon sume-a toones
        seeng-a-lung und du a leettle-a ell dey
        gu doon tu zee reeferside-a, teke-a ooffff oooor shues
        und vesh zeese-a seens evey

        und zee reefer seeed, la la la, it seeed
        sheme-a oon yuoo
        und zee reefer seeed, la la la, it seeed
        sheme-a oon yuoo

        i gu doon tu cheecunu ceety perk
        coose-a it mekes me-a feel su feene-a
        und vhee zee veeds gu doon
        yuoo cun see-a up cluse-a
        in zee deed ooff zee veentertime-a

        ooh, vhee zee soommer cumes iferytheeng's in bluum
        und yuoo vuooldn't knoo it's zeere-a
        und zee vheete-a fulks leeke-a tu pretend it's nut
        boot zeeur mooseec's in zee eur

        yuoo cun heer 'em seenging, la, la, la, zeey seeed
        sheme-a oon yuoo
        yuoo cun feel 'em dunceeng, la, la, la, zeey seeed
        sheme-a oon yuoo

        my freeend tunner she-a seys, yuoo knoo, me-a und jesoos
        ve're-a ooff zee seme-a heert
        zee oonly theeng thet keeps us deestunt
        is thet i keep f--keeng up

        i seeed cume-a oon doon tu cheecunu ceety perk
        und vesh yuoor blooes evey
        und vhee zee beooteeffool ledeees velk reeght by
        yuoo knoo i nefer knoo vhet tu sey

        und noo zeey're-a seenging, oouh la, la, la...
        bork bork bork!
        sheme-a oon yuoo
        und ve're-a dunceeng, oouh la, la, la...zeey seeed
        sheme-a oon yuoo
        sheme-a oon yuoo

[mooseecel breek]

        let's gu rued-bluck treepping in zee meeddle-a ooff zee neeght
        up in geeenesfille-a toon
        zeere'll be-a blooe-a leeghts flesheeng doon a lung durt rued
        und zeey esk me-a tu step oooot

        zeey seeed ve'fe-a beee luukeeng fur illegel immeegrunts
        cun ve-a check yuoor cer
        i seeed yuoo knoo it's foonny
        i theenk ve-a vere-a oon zee seme-a buet beck in 1694

        und i seeed, oouh, la, la, la...
        bork bork bork!
        sheme-a oon yuoo
        und zeey'll be-a dunceeng,  la, la, la... i seeed sheme-a oon yuoo
        sheme-a oon yuoo...
        bork bork bork!
        oouh, la, la, la...
        bork bork bork!
        sheme-a oon yuoo
        la, la, la...
        bork bork bork!
        sheme-a oon yuoo
        i seeed i seeed sheme-a oon yuoo
        zeey'll be-a dunceeng...
        bork bork bork!
        la la la...
        bork bork bork!
        sheme-a oon yuoo

mandi wrote:

>everyone
>deserves to hear the girls and the girls sure as hell deserve to be
>heard by all.

i *really* like the second half of that.  "the girls sure as hell deserve
to be heard by all."  i think that's essentially why i could never be
completely elitist no matter how rotten some fringe fans might get.  amy
and emily have something to say to everybody, so everybody needs to have
ample opportunity to hear.  but amy and emily also deserve to have around
them the people who do hear.  they're trying to make the world a better
place, but they're also trying to make their own worlds a better place.
i myself would love to turn this world into a utopia, but we know it's
not happening.  that's reality.  i try anyway as best as i can, but i
think if i could have a serious impact on my corner of the world, so that
the reality around me came close to my utopian vision, i'd be close to
satisfied.  amy and emily have already done a lot--both separately and
together as the indigo girls--and i'd really love for them to be
surrounded by that, to constantly see the differences they've made to so
many lives.

....audrey

for all those that i offered to dub the emily at decatur audio boot (only
five more spots open), i just wanted to let you know that i will be in
colorado for spring break (woo hoo!!), so they might not get back to you that
fast. don't panic...i'll do the best i can = )

sorry 'bout the bw-
nicole

oh, my gawd!!! i just read the lyrics-- i didn't realize they had that line
about "up in gainesville town"--is that gainesville, ga, or fl? anyone know?

-rich, sitting down in gainesville town, fl

-rich (sbmfc charter member & official mentor)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
cobweb@grove.ufl.edu
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
infj
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
my friends and i have had a tough time
bruising our brains hard up against change
all the old dogs and the magician
-e. saliers
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

hey y'all, sorry to waste bandwidth again, but scott eastman, will you
please email me? thanks

veronica

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
        she said it's time to open my eyes
        "don't be afraid to open your eyes"
        maybe she's right
                                -- tori amos
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here is some information about the july 2nd show at the greek theater in
l.a. i don't really know what to make of it, but here it is:

the greek is publically announcing their summer season this weekend. ig
is listed scheduled "with special guest" for july 2nd. (i don't have any
inside information - i got on an e-mail list, and they e-mailed it last
night, and the newspaper is supposed to carry a big ad tomorrow)

you can call the greek theater phone charge line, which sends you through
to ticketmaster, at 213-480-7575

i called, and seem to have ordered a ticket.

but,  something is weird because they aren't supposed to be selling to
the general public right now.  what they are doing is selling the season
series and the priority is supposed to go like current subscribers > new
6-event subscribers > new 4-even subscribers > new less than 4-event
subscribers.    they aren't supposed to be filling any orders until the
subscription deadline, and then they should go in that order.  but the
guy on the phone told me what section my ticket was going to be in.

i have my doubts that he knew exactly what was going on, but it's worth
getting "in line" anyway. if the person you talk to seems confused,
tell them they are supposed to set it up like a subscription, not a
general ticket purchase.

oh, and there is a huge service charge - about $6 a ticket. but ig are
really amazing - the top ticket price is still $29.00 (before charge)
even though that makes them just about the least expensive ticket in the
whole greek summer series, where lots of things are going for $40 or $45
or more. they're so nice.

if anyone figures out what's really going on with tickets, let me know.

the greek also does groups - 20 minimum. the number for that is 805-250-7424

happy weekend,
alison
a dog, a plan, a canal - pagoda! alisont@netcom.com

well, since i work at a library, here's what i've done:

you see a book whose call number begins with lc and you, of course, think
of _least_complicated_ and you're not even an 'emily' person! :)

you are sent to find a number of books, and you only find one. but you
are really pleased because its call number begins with hq 1694 (while you
still try hopelessly to figure out that date's significance)

and finally one that is not library-related:

you buy a calling card for $10 and its code begins with ndg0... and you
are thrilled! and plan to keep it even after the time runs out and you
don't add any more time...

well, that's all! thanks for reading...

peace, love, and happiness, melissa

can you send me your snail mail address again?? i lost it. = ( i'm here
holding an ig ticket that's just burnin' a hole in mah pocket! i want to
send it to you soon....

thanks!

-liz- (who has the quickest delete finger in the east!)

hey ya'll,

i just thought i'd share some of my comments. none of them r that
exciting or important, but if you're bored, read on... if you're easily
peeved my miscellaneous posts press 'd' now...

ok, chiapas bound, i think this song is lovely and like many other listees
i mourn its omission from sots, but am really excited it's being played at
concerts.  a while back someone(s) posted saying they thought it seemed
like a love letter and someone else said it seemed like a song to an ex.
i think those were others interp's (and not mine).  i'm clueless as to
what this song specifically means/says, all i know is i love the sound.
the music, amy's voice.  it seems to me like a really nice 80's kind of
love ballad in a good way!! maybe that's weird, or base, but maybe i am
too.

high horse, this song appears on 'levees that break in my heart' and i
totally love it!  which is very odd, because its an emily song.  i'm not
saying emily's songs aren't good, they are, and i like very many of them
indeed. in fact, watershed is practically my favorite song (but i have
just too many of them to pick one).  i just usually don't have this
'this song kicks *ss' reaction about em's songs.  it is really
driving, which i totally dig.  reminds me of amy's style in that sense i
guess.  anyway, that's all i wanted to say about that...

and lastly, selling stuff, i'm always confused when i see listees
auctioning off ig stuff.  i realize some people have extra stuff and they
want other fans to have it, that's cool, i understand that.  but, i guess,
what i don't understand is when people have tons of stuff (or just lots)
and they sell it.  is this for profit?  or do people just need $ really
bad.  i think that has been the situation for some.  i guess i understand
that, too (and boy do i hope i'm never in that situation, i'd hate to part
w/my ig stuff... [can anyone relate? :)])  so, other than those two
reasons, i can't figure out why any ig fan would sell their ig stuff.  am
i stupid?  i don't mean to be rude or insulting, i just don't understand.
i'm not saying it is bad, i just don't understand.  anyone?

ok, i'm done bothering the list for now.  if you've read this far, wow!
thanks...  i'll try to post something more intersting next time, just for
you.  (don't worry, i know i'm typing this to noone)

peace, love, and happiness, melissa

ps i think i've just won myself the worst post ever award. but i probably
have competition with that propositioning one from a few weeks ago.

oo <b& <b& <b& <b& <b& <b& <b& <b& <b& <b& <b& <b& <b& <b& <b& <b& <b& oo
++                                                                     ++
<  if we ever leave a legacy it's that we loved each other well - ig    <
b                                                                       b
&       do you think i'm mental-          there's some things you       &
<       ly anguished - k.d.               can't deny - m.e.             <
b                                                                       b
&  don't tell me... who to sleep with, what to think... how to talk,    &
<  what to eat... how to look, who i can be... don't lay your morality  <
b  on me - phranc                                                       b
&                                                                       &
oo               *** i fuck to come, not to conceive ***               oo
++ <b& <b& <b& <b& <b& <b& <b& <b& <b& <b& <b& <b& <b& <b& <b& <b& <b& ++

i'm just gonna chime in here again. i was going to wait till i got the
numero 50 response to amy's birthday present to post this, but it seems
we are stuck on number 49, so here i go. . .
in audrey's last post she said
> amy and emily have already done a lot--both separately and
> together as the indigo girls--and i'd really love for them to be
> surrounded by that, to constantly see the differences they've made to so
> many lives.

amen, sister!  come on people, show amy that she has made a difference,
make this birthday a great one for her, she sure does deserve it.  if
we, the fans of the girls, don't listen to their message and support
them, who will?  we have the chance to make a difference right here and
right now, join the fight, don't be complacent, "don't take a seat,
don't stand aside".
so many of you have helped with this present and i have been so excited
in the past few weeks because we are going to make this a great birthday
for amy.  please, those of you who haven't joined in, we aren't asking
for a donation that will cost you your life savings, just $5, that's
all, join the fight, know that you have done something in return for all
the times amy has moved/inspired you with her music.  all you have to do
is send your donation to:

honor the earth
c/o greta gohn
po box 502
chimacum, wa 98325

if you have any questions feel free to email me at "mandi96@airmail.net"

i'm gonna keep posting these until all of you join in!!!
okay, i'm done, i'm really sorry to waste bandwidth, but i think this is
really important, i hope y'all understand.

love,
mandi

hi all,
i can't believe the radio stations where you listees live are sooo
awesome, i called to ask one of miami's radio stations for ig and they
said they can only play closer to fine....oh well, maybe if i pressure
them somemore!
question: how can you tell if a so vinyl is green or black, i have one
that's sealed with the little signed edition sticker on the front with no
mention of green?! help!
thanks
dave
8 )

>
> date:    fri, 21 mar 1997 14:02:03 -0500
> from:    hudsonvu@aol.com
> subject: attn: new yorkers
>
> just heard on wfuv, the fordham university station (90.7fm), that ig are
> their featured artists all day next wednesday!!!  and...i actually heard them
> play soy both yesterday and today on this station (but today they bleeped
> amy's f*ckin' up)...

also, new release monday on 90.7 will be focusing on the new nancy
griffith, the new jill sobule, and, the reason i'm sending this here, the
new indigo girls...

peace,
y'all

> maureen
>
> ------------------------------

audrey wrote:

<<as far as "shame on you" goes....i went back and listened to the versions
on mapped (nojf--early may and santa fe--late august) and then to the
album version which i dubbed and andi so wonderfully transcribed.>>

i need to set the record straight...jen transcribed those lyrics way back
when, & i just changed a couple words to show how it's sung in the studio
version...i in no way transcribed all of the lyrics. let's give credit
where credit is due... :)

andi

  -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-
                                andrea lipman
                       e-mail: ablipman@sas.upenn.edu
                 homepage: http://www.sas.upenn.edu/~ablipman

                    "cause baby, i got something to stand for
                          i got somewhere we can go
                    i just need someone to stand with
                it ain't no good just being alone."-amy ray
  _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_

a lot of people seem concerned with the fact that the ig might become too
popular and might aqcuire,you know,dumb fans.personally,i have an
unconditional love for the ig,as do all of you.the indigo girls would be my
favorite performers if they were a little local''nobody has heard of
us''group,or if they had the popularity of micheal jackson in the
80's.couldn't you picture kennedy being like''here they are at number one,the
fantabulus queens of folky rock,the indigo girls!!!!''?o.k.,i can understand
why you can't picture that.it is sort of a hard thing to imagine.i don't
think we have to worry that much about amy and emily getting lame fans who
don't understand the messages they present in their music and lyrics.quite
frankly,i think it's mtv that plays the bands that those sort of people are
attracted to.mtv is more or less about fashion these days,not about
music.since the ig are not known far and wide for their music video
making(yes,there have been some),and they really are sort of fashion
oblivious,i don't think we have to worry about not being able to get tix for
shows because lamers stole our seats.ok...i will stop rambling...love, mary

on sat, 22 mar 1997, rich benson wrote:

> oh, my gawd!!! i just read the lyrics-- i didn't realize they had that line
> about "up in gainesville town"--is that gainesville, ga, or fl? anyone know?
>
> -rich, sitting down in gainesville town, fl

just for the record, there is also a gainesville, tx
(my dad lives there :) )

irrelevant, of course,
jenn. brown

you know you are an obsessed fan when you paint ''lower eastside needle
exchange''on a plain,black t-shirt with white puff paint and hope nobody
notices that it's homemade.
love,mary.

i wrote:
><<as far as "shame on you" goes....i went back and listened to the versions
>on mapped (nojf--early may and santa fe--late august) and then to the
>album version which i dubbed and andi so wonderfully transcribed.>>

then andi wrote:
>i need to set the record straight...jen transcribed those lyrics way back
>when, & i just changed a couple words to show how it's sung in the studio
>version...i in no way transcribed all of the lyrics. let's give credit
>where credit is due... :)

my bad.  kudos to jen for the transcription and andi for the edit and
repost.  ok, i've gotten called on two parts of the same post
already...anyone else???  <*grin*> maybe i should stop posting when i'm so
tired.  except that's when the thoughts come.

....audrey

p.s. thanks to chris for giving me an idea for a new and exciting sig. :)

#############################################################################

"oouh la, la, la... bork bork bork! sheme-a oon yuoo"
-- amy ray and the swedish chef

hi everyone! :)

i don't post very often but always read the messages and ig info
with great interest! golly gee, i wish schoolwork would stop getting
in the way. where are my priorities?! *grin*

i have been contemplating many of your .sig quotes as of recently,
particularly the ones that have to do with amy and emily.  some of
them are song quotes [which are great!] but others seem to be taken
from stage conversation, and i would love to know the context of the
banter.  some listers (such as myself :)) may not have the boots where
the quote was taken from.  any insight would be great.

*and* about the dolls on the sots album cover...well, this may be a
long shot but i think ig listers must be psychic.  *tee hee*  weren't
we at one point discussing the prospect of our _own_ emily and amy
dolls?  weren't they going to be delivered wrapped in sundara's
padded envelopes?  ;)  perhaps [just perhaps] amy or emily were
perusing this list and thought "hey!  that doll idea is a cool
concept!"

perhaps we have unknowingly contributed to the creativity of the
girls' new album! whee!! it's a nice thought anyway. :)

maybe we're more than who we think we are...
lisa j. :)

p.s.  my .sig quote has nothing to do with ig, but i love it all the
same.  check the film out if you can!  [lori brinkman is rockin'!]
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
leonardo dicaprio                      claire danes

the love story of all time
is happening in our time.

claire danes leonardo dicaprio
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

... you are going through your check carbons and realized that you accidently
paid for a cd at the record convention with a check made out to .......
indigo girls ........oooops.

pj (who will be on a ferry boat bound for victoria tomorrow but getting off
at orcas island)

i'll bite,too! i'm 33---don't look it though. still get carded when i buy
a six/pack of beer, and got carded this morning on my way to work, for a
pack of newports.
...paul

i'm appointing myself collector of e-mail addy's of those who wish to
politely petition for a listee's-only show...i'm going to collect e-mail
addy's and whatever comments you might have (keep it short and simple,
we don't want to barrage r. carter's secretary with a bunch of drivel)
about how it might be nice to have a listee's-only show if the girls are
interested. i'm not saying this will happen anytime soon, but will ask
if they will consider it. i will fax a condensed list of e-mail addy's
plus the actual responses and letter's of those who contribute their
names, and fax this to russell carter's office when everything is
done....since my box can only hold so much e-mail at a time, i suggest
that we start with the west coast (california, oregon, and washington
states only) listee's responses first...i will make further notices and
include which states should respond....i will not miss anyone as i have
*ahem* gotten out the map and have my highliter in hand....
washington, oregon, california: let's go! go! go! move it move it move
it (like a marine drill sergeant)
-sal
p.s. i will also be collecting addy's all over the world, not just the
states...so maybe we can talk them into a world tour? maybe not, but
might score some front row reservations if anything....

"maybe we're more than who we think we are..." -lisa j. (pretty astute thinking there, grrl!)
"i hold it i fold it i throw it on the floor..i wrote it but maybe i'm afraid that you'll be bored...it's very real and true and sad and hopeful just like me...it's one of those things i'll never tell i'll carve it in a tree......" -k's choice "wait"

....you go through all the peanut m&m's and seperate the blue ones from
the rest and eat those first...
-sal (munch, munch, munch, munch *grin*)

i keep getting a concert date of april 15th for eisenhower auditorium in
state college, pa. on my tri-state music calendar. everytime i call the venue
to confirm it and see about tickets, they tell me they don't know anything
about it! can you tell me what's going on? sherri

        1st generation italian-american here! my mother came here in
        '64 five-months pregnant(me in her belly), father came here
        with $7.00 in his pocket. both were dirt-poor in sicily.they're
        doing okay now, this is the best place to be for all of us.
        if y'all ever get a chance,
        check-out the flick "second civil war" it's on hbo this
        month---it's all about the recent immigration attituded...
        ...paul

random!!

i'm not sure this is something we have to worry too much about.    the people
who like the music but don't get the message (as sick as they make me) have
as much right to listen as we do.  but the music will never be theirs.  so it
won't make a difference even if emily and amy have hoards of superficial fans
and tons of mtv airplay (not that anyone would let that happen).  just a
thought.

west if bishes
shana (jak)

be sure to include your name, what city you're from and a url if you
have a page...i'm making a map and i'm gonna include the web pages just
in case they want to have a look-see...i'll also be checking the pages
myself so that i know what they might be seeing...
-sal
(who is wondering when she'll hear a "me too!" from ma binky...or even
her evil twin yknib :) )

>the people
>who like the music but don't get the message (as sick as they make me) have
>as much right to listen as we do. but the music will never be theirs.

shana,

i *really* like the way you put this. thanks.

i wonder if the same thing could be said about a performer, that the music
isn't theirs.  i'm *not* talking about the indigo girls here, relax folks.
i just had a kind of bad interaction with an alum of my favorite group
here at school.  i don't want to talk badly about her in public or say
anything that reflects badly on the group as a whole--every other person
in the group is just incredibly friendly and sharing, and even the alums
who graduated before i started college are really nice to me--but this
one person has always given me the cold shoulder and rubbed me the wrong
way.  i don't know why.  but i stopped by with my camera earlier wanting
to get some good pictures that i could actually give them copies of
before i graduate (most everything else i've taken was for yearbook,
which has a tendency to lose the negatives) and the way she asked me to
leave was just so insensitive and selfish that the moment i got out of
there i started crying.  it just really hurt my feelings, and i don't
think that it's fair for someone to have a gift like hers and not share,
when sharing is so easy and could bring happiness to someone else.

i sorta think maybe she needs to listen to "shame on you" but i don't
know if she'd get it. i guess we're back to where we started....

i'm glad you all are here to share the music with me.

....audrey

#############################################################################

"oouh la, la, la... bork bork bork! sheme-a oon yuoo"
-- amy ray and the swedish chef

>those who wish to
>politely petition for a listee's-only show.

now i know this post will make some hate me but i am used to that after my
posts. all i can think to say after all these ig list only show posts is
--are you people insane????

a show specifically for the ig list?  i don't mean to burst bubbles or dash
hopes but like dream on!  isn't going to matter how politely you ask.  the
girls can't stand that this list even exists (sorry but it's true) but
they're gonna look at a petition and say oh well they are certainly sweet
and seem fun so ok let's do a special show just for them--and to top it off
let's do a special show in each geographical region so as many folks can
show up and not have to drive so far.  no check that--let's do a special
show for each list member personally in their garages and backyards!  in
fact let's send special thank yous to each person via email who seem to be
so interested in our music.  finally we'll browse each persons web page to
make sure they are worthy ig fans.

ok--i am being rude ( so don't tell me in your return flames) but i find it
hard to believe that people think the girls have the time for such
silliness.  we don't deserve a special show because we sit and wait with
baited breath to hear new concert dates over our computers or endlessly
discuss their lyrics.  we are just fans like anyone else.  it's fine to let
them know we like them but don't expect special treatment.  sure their
songs have a special place in all of our hearts but all those other people
you see at concerts feel similarly and are probably not petitioning saying
we are really big fans and hope you'll consider a concert for us.  yes even
the big haired long island girls are big fans.  please don't send this
petition.  the girls do not like fanatics.  this is fanatical.  don't make
them hate the list more than they already do.

fondly, greg

!@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*!@#$%^&
# greg m. flamer      gflame@nwu.edu  %
$ 535 w briar pl #556                 *
& chicago, il  60657                  &
^                                     )
# "if you have to saddle your high    )
&  horse go on and ride out           *
$  of my sight"--indigo girls         ?
!@#$%^&*()!@#$%^&*()!@#$%^&*()!@#$%^&*&

hey all!

i have a question..... does anyone know who i would contact to try to
get the girls to play on the wgn morning show when their album comes
out?  i am the director for the 6am early edition and i would love to
have the girls come on the show and play!  please e-mail me privately
and let me know.  i am looking for a name and a phone number if anyone
has one.  thanks!

peace!

joe

dave asked:

    dave> date: sat, 22 mar 1997 14:12:30 -0500
    dave> from: david sue <david.sue@students.miami.edu>
    dave> subject: so vinyl ???

    dave> question: how can you tell if a so vinyl is green or black,
    dave> i have one that's sealed with the little signed edition
    dave> sticker on the front with no mention of green?!

if you can tell without opening the shrinkwrap whether it's black or
green, somebody has opened it and rewrapped it for you. there is no
way to determine the color of an so vinyl without breaking the seal.
(well, ok, if it's a uk pressing, you can be pretty sure it's black).

-steve sclark@cen.com
keeper of the sacred discography

well, we can dream can't we?

checking in at 40!!!

disclaimer: i've never done this before, so please don't flame me if i mess
it up...

ok, i promise not to make this lengthy...i think i've had my say and then
some on the list this week, so here it is:

since i got swamped with requests, many generous people have offered to help
with the dubbing, since there's no way in heck i can handle it myself.
(i've been kid-sitting all day so my swearing has been put away for the
day....we've listened to "hammer and nail about 20 times today...these are
the kids i told you all about a month ago who like to sing "...even my sweat
smells clean..."  but they are learning the whole song...it's so cute
hearing the little ones singing it...they said today "auntie joni...what is
this song called?" i said: "hammer and nail...and hey guess what?  i'm going
to see them in concert next month!"  (the two of them in unison:)
"coooooool!"  hehe :o)  anyway....here's the "charlie brown tape tree:"

john miller and i will be dubbing videos, and andi lipman and nicole yonke
will be dubbing audios of "emily at decatur 8/96; emily at rock for aids ii
8/96"

if your birthday is jan-jun, send video requests to john (jmiller@wdl.lmco.com)
if your birthday is jul-dec, send video requests to me (jcyr@mit.edu)

if your birthday is jan-jun, send audio requests to andi
(ablipman@postoffice.sas.upenn.edu )
if your birthday is jul-dec, send audio request to nicole (nix64@aol.com)

chris talbot also generously took on the first bunch of audio dubs (thanks
chris! you rock! :o). i've had others offer to help, but i think we 5
can handle it.

thanks again you guys for bailing me out of this one! :o) :o) :o) :o) (a
smile each)

if you've already sent me your stuff (audio or video), don't worry, i'll do it.

if any of my lovely spring branches gets buried, please let me know...i have
others who are willing to help...we can spread it out a little more.

well, that's it. i think it will work. please try to get us your stuff
asap...some of us have changing situations going on at home, so the faster
you get us your stuff, the more you are guaranteed of getting it within a
week or so.

well, time for this 30 something elderly old geezer to take out her teeth
and go to bed.... (swack...swallow..) goo nye ebeebody...i'wwl taak ta ya
tamawra....(click!)

joni :o)

> you can enjoy the music and enjoy the list...even if you do have a
>few gray hairs.
>
>now, if i can only get tickets to a concert!
oh boy do i agree with this... starting my second childhood while i'm
still young enough to enjoy it..yeehaw..

the silver fox ;-)

i am a problem child- i've been wild all my days...(a.ray)

..still crazy after all these years.. (p. simon)

hey y'all~

i didn't have the lyrics to chiapas so i interpreted them from the
new orleans jazz fest 5-4-96 performance. they may have changed since then.
but here they are if anyone is interested:

chiapas bound
by amy ray

all the girls with anorexia are on the street tonight
and the boys in the band think they look alright
and i don't really know why i drove my car down to congress boulevard
hoping to find you turning on the light

well you seem like a girl with the world on your side
and it's just a point of view
and you know how quickly that can change too
see i heard you were free or someone thinks you should be
and i know just how that feels
i thought maybe we could just talk for awhile

then you said that you'd go down to mexico
i think that i might go there too
but it's probably too late to find someone like you
yeah, it sounds really cool to be without a care in some southern town
but i heard there's trouble down there if you're chiapas bound
yeah, it sounds really cool to be without a care in some southern town
but i heard there's trouble down there if you're chiapas bound

i was just reading the webpage that epic has for the girls and it said
that they are going to be on the rosie o'donnell show and late night with
david letterman. does anyone have any idea when this is going to happen?

i'm sorry if this has already been discussed, i've been off the list for a
while and just recently re-subscribed.

thanks,
chandra

hey everyone!!

someone out there posted that they came across an extra ann arbor ticket.
if that was you (or you have any extras) please e-mail me!! i mean pretty
please with sugar on top...por favor.....i'm pleading!!!

thanks y'all!!

~rob

i know i'm not a heavy listee presence, but i do watch what's going on and
post once in a while.

here's my 2 cents:

i think that petitioning (or asking in _any_ way_) for a listee-only show
__should not__ be done. sorry folks, but that's obnoxious. we don't
deserve anything special, and even if we did, we shouldn't expect
anything. if we really respect the indigo girls, we shouldn't put them
(or their management) through a situation where they feel that they'll be
offending their most devoted fans by saying no.

a couple of other points:

1. let's be a little more thoughtful.  our being on an indigo girls
mailing list does not makes us their most devoted or most deserving fans.
first, there are plenty of people who simply may not know about the list.
then, there are people who absolutely love the indigo girls, but don't
feel that they need to waste their time talking to us.  then - use your
conscience - there are people who can't even afford computers or internet
access.  it would be a little unfair for us to benefit in yet one more way
for our being lucky enough to have more money than others.

2. the obsessiveness of this list worries me sometimes.  first, a lot of
artists get very sick of stardom, fans, and public life very quickly, and
we're not helping the problem any. think of it yourself - after the
novelty wears off, having millions of people trying to get a piece of you
all the time would get old pretty darn quickly.  we don't need to make any
personal demands of the artists we admire.  in their own way, they give up
enough for us already.

along the theme immediately above, here's a thought on the girls wearing
the same clothes often.  maybe they're sick pf people seeing their "real"
clothes, so now they use stage clothes.  i think it was bob dylan who,
after years of wearing street clothes on stage, began having someone
design his stage clothes for him.  he said it got to be a real drag having
all the people get yet one more piece of him.

i'm sorry if this note sounds too negative or preachy, but i just feel
that things get way out of hand on this list sometimes. we
don't need specualtion about the girls' personal relationships, clothing,
or anything like that, and we don't need to go expecting any favors from
them.

it's unfair to ask the girls to fulfill your dreams. that's your job.
they're just people.

___________________________________
david j. arkush
washington university in st. louis
davida@artsci.wustl.edu
http://www.artsci.wustl.edu/~davida

yeah.....what *he* said : )

> here's my 2 cents

i thought it might be a good idea because i'm also a part of the
melissa etheridge fan club and the members get a chance to buy tickets
before they're released, front and second rows, i might add, at a
fraction of the cost...not that ig concerts take a chunk out of one's
pocket book, i just thought it would be a good idea, sorry to have
jumped the gun without fully explaining myself...but that was my
intention...
thanks for listening...
-sal
now can we re-vote to continue or discontinue this idea? doesn't matter
to me either way...just saves the long-distance charge of faxing... :)

i just love the way some people talk about them like they know them!!! i
don't know them nor do i talk so frankly about their likes and
dislikes....
that's all...sorry for the waste of bandwidth, but i did put nigc...
-sal

excuse me but i don't see this as being fanatical, i thought it would be
a nice perk for being on the list, and when i said "world tour" i said
it jokingly....gosh.....i'm upset now, i truly am.....forget it....it's
not worth the trouble and flammage....besides, i left my flame retardant
undies at the cleaners....
grumbling yours,
-sal

well, i didn't want it to seem like we were more important than any
other fan...my intentions were to go along these lines: the melissa
etheridge fan club members have a reserved section next to the stage, a
chance to buy tickets before they're released at a fraction of the
cost....i should have explained myself further and i apologize it this
idea seemed fanatical....i'm going to forward this to the list too
(since i'm too tired to type this over ) :) i just thought it would be a
nice proposal...

by the way, all names and addy's have been erased...just so ya know...
(dang my backside hurts from all that flammage!!)

"maybe we're more than who we think we are..." -lisa j. (okay, and ig in the watershed video...i thought it sounded familiar!)
"i hold it i fold it i throw it on the floor..i wrote it but maybe i'm afraid that you'll be bored...it's very real and true and sad and hopeful just like me...it's one of those things i'll never tell i'll carve it in a tree......" -k's choice "wait"

amen to this post!

i was reading the post last night from salray, (and i'm not going to flame
her, it sounds like she is just an enthuastic fan who may not know how amy
and emily feel -- or have felt -- about this list -- i will say -- at least
one of them reads stuff from the net (this was directly from their mouth -
the net not meaning this list.)

tracy -- some -- actually quite a few people here know the ig, some as very
close personal friends, others, well maybe they would say hi to them in a
bar. people dont brag about it because of people who are so overwhelmingly
enthusiatic would bombard them with questions.

the indigo girls do not owe fans, press, radio stations or clubs or venues
they play at anything.  however, they are wonderful individuals who, from
time to time will do amazing things for a fan or two.  i know have in the
past  they put people who have been touring with them on the guest list so they could spend
money on gas and food rather than a concert.  at hampton beach, sooo many
people who couldnt get tixs were allowed to sit on the porch and hear the
show -- there were probably a couple hundred people there.

i also think the me ticket policy is cool and while it would be great for ig
to do it, it is sooo much extra work. phish has to do the same thing, u2
promises fans the best seats in the house, pearl jam does the same thing. it
would be incredibly expensive for rcam to do that and they really probably
don't have the resources to committ to that. besides, i have never had
problems getting tickets to any ig show, while it may have been difficult
people on the list have graciuosly offered to help me out with tickets
because i live 100 miles from the nearest ticketmaster outlet.

if you do that fax, do it with the names of the people who email you, not in
the name of the list. i think a much more likely chance of something
happening would be to ask if the ig may set up a taper's section or
something, but they, again don't owe us a thing. and even without the
taper's section, almost every show from 92 - present they have done exists
on audio.

i am sorry for ranting,

just my 1/50th of a dollar.
mike r.

i personally think that the girls should do a show just for me.
in fact, all of my personalities (hansly and froo, the hand puppets,
included) are launching a massive campaign right now...
ummm, it's just that.... none of us remember how to <twitch> use a pen and
paper an' do things that don't involve a <twitch> keyboard...
peace... kim ( goddess of early mornings and sollitude... )
***"of course i know him. he's me." obi-wan kenobi
perhaps *the* most intelligent line from star wars***

use caution when ordering from kts in italy. i ordered 2 cd's in december of
last year and haven't rec'd them yet. there are quite a few angry customers
right now.

i thought i would add the changes as of mhc:

* = additions
() = deletions

> chiapas bound
> by amy ray
>
> all the girls with anorexia are on the street tonight
> and the boys in the band think they look *just fine*
> *but* i don't really know why i drove my car down (to) congress *avenue*
> hoping to find you turning on the light
>
> well you seem like a girl with the world on your side
> and it's just a point of view
> and you know how quickly that can change too
> see i heard you were free or someone thinks you should be
> and i know just how that feels
> i thought maybe we could just talk for awhile

*'cuz baby i got something to stand for
i got somewhere to go
i just need someone to stand with <-- people raise their hands, a smiles
'cuz it ain't no good just bein' alone.*

> *when* you said that you'd go down to mexico
> i think that i might go there too
> but it's probably too late to find someone like you
> yeah, it sounds really cool to be without a care in some southern town
> but i heard there's trouble down there if you're chiapas bound
> yeah, it sounds really cool to be without a care in some southern town
> but i heard there's trouble down there if you're chiapas bound

thanks, tony, for typing this in!

margaret

hi, all.

i just wanted to make a plea out here for people to not let this turn into
a flame war.

i must admit that, when i read the post suggesting a list-only show, i was
shocked, appalled and embarrassed to be on this list. however, this was
based on the knowledge that this list makes a and e nervous (the first bit
of information i learned on this list when i joined, as a matter of fact).
if they loved us it would be a little bit different. so, now that we all
know this, let's be sensitive to those who have just learned it.

i didn't hear anyone saying that this list _deserves_ a show, and we
don't.  so that's not a problem.  asking for one isn't saying that one
"deserves" it.  feeling like you have done the igs wrong is, i suspect, a
very bad way to feel, given the significance that they have had in many
people's lives.  so let's not make anyone feel that way unnecessarily.

lastly, i still think that we shouldn't ask for this show. we've already
got a demo tour, a new album, and a real tour for that album that i
personally heard russell carter say would be going "everywhere in the us."
i am feeling very grateful right now.

signing off,
margaret

ps-maybe an abbreviated faq, containing tour dates, and really faqs
should be posted to the list once a week, to account for all the new folks
who ask these questions all the time? just an idea, might not be a good
one, but it could cut down on "are ig coming near me?" posts and the like.

i just pulled this off the ig newsgroup, where it was posted by max
slover, and i thought i would pass it on as it seems to have a couple new
dates.

margaret

---------------------------------------------------------------------------
all dates are subject to change                                   03/07/97
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
date city/st             venue                                   codes
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
03/24 ann arobr mi        michigan music theatre                    c
03/26 grand rapids mi     calvin college                            c
03/28 davenport ia        great river hall, augustana college       c

04/04 eugene or           hult center's silva theatre, u of oregon  c
04/09 tulsa ok            expo square pavillion, u of tulsa         c
04/10 fort worth tx       will rogers aud. texus christian u        c
04/12 durham nh           snivley arena, u. of new hampshire        c2
04/13 waterville me       wadsworth fieldhouse, colby college       c2
04/15 university park pa  recreation hall, penn state               c2
04/16 norton ma           outdoor quad, wheaton college             c2
04/19 philadelphia pa     mccarthy stad., lasalle u                 c2
04/20 washington d.c.     bender arena, american u                  c*2
04/24 durham nc           unc durham                                u
04/25 auburn al           beard eaves memorial col., auburn         c

05/23 atlanta ga          chastain park ampitheatre                 c
05/24 "        "          "                       "                 c
05/28 vienna va           wolf trap                                 c
05/29 "       "           "        "                                c

06/07 saratoga springs ny saratoga performing arts center c

opening acts
1. ferron
2. lift

_________________________________________________________________

codes c=confirmed date through monterey peninsula artists
        (mpa) (3/19/97)
      c=dates shown in the fan club mailing or gathered from
        other sources but not confirmed with mpa as of 3/19/97
      u=unconfirmed date
      s=sold out (if anyone knows which ones are please write me)
      *=private concert...student/faculty/staff only

all other info compiled from independant resources
be sure to contact venues or ticketing agencies to verify dates and
ticket sales.

special thanks to the following for additional info
dena (denakohl@aol.com)
deb (debbie@mei.com)
vic (indigovic@aol.com)
karen (kvittek@gladstone.uoregon.edu)
lorinda (wright@biodec.wustl.edu)
nancy (nancy@rbdc.rbdc.com)

check the following websites for further info
sony/epic          : www.sony.dreammedia.com/epiccenter/docs
                    /artistupdate.qry?artistid=83
pollstar           : www.pollstar.com
ticket master      : www.ticketmaster.com
ultimate bands list: www.ubl.com

*free distribution of this list is welcome but please credit author
(indigo@crl.com)*

--
max slover              |"some people are so narrow minded that they can look
indigo@crl.com          | through a keyhole with both eyes at the same time"
                        |               --- zig ziglar---

ok, lemme put on the flame-retardant suit here....ok, here's what i have to
say about this listee only show....(deep breathe)

i'm not sure i would want a *planned* listee only show, but i'll say this
about them:

i went to see dar williams a few months ago.  there were no advance tix sold
at the venue, so everyone got there like 3-4 hours before the show and made
a huge snaky line outside the playhouse, which happened to be a church in
needham mass.  anyway, i got tix for the show, as i was the first one in
line (deb o'd and i went to the same class... general admission 101...get
there many hours ahead of time....).  they sold out the show, and there was
still a long line outside.  dar was great about it...she decided to do a
second show after the first, which began at around 11:00pm...albeit a
shortened version of the first show.  anyway, i bought tix to the second
show too, after everyone who wanted to go who didn't get tix for the first
show got tix for the second show.

i have to say, and harry keates can back me up on this....the second show
was sooo much better! the real diehard fans stayed. dar was so much more
at ease, the crowd was more into it since they were the true dar-heads, and
although we were less in number, we were more appreciative, better mannered
'cuz we really wanted to hear her (no chattering), and it showed through her
performance.

i guess what i'm trying to say is although i might not agree with *planning*
a listee only show, i've been to one that happened by accident, and it was
one of the best shows i've ever seen.

jmho....

have a good one everyone!
joni :o)

my highest compliments to v for her terrific job of recording the
hofstra show. her tape is clear, present and alive. the audience is
enthusiastic without disrupting the songs, and the funnel presentation
is priceless. booting is a lot of work. it's really nice when it
comes out so well.

hugh barroll

howdy ho fine list comrades:

i was away in sunny florida for a welcomed vacation and am just catching up
on list mail. i did sign-off while gone but it's funny how coming back to
the list is just like missing a soap opera for while -- it doesn't take
long to figure out what all the characters are up to :) anyway, i have a
few comments about some recent threads so here goes:

list only show
i agree with greg, margaret, mike, david and whoever else commented. i
don't think asking for a list-only show or priviledges for list-members
only is such a cool idea. the me thing works because there's an official
fan club set up that handles it. last i heard you pay for that priveledge;
it's not something that's only for me-list members. if rcam/ig/epic wants
to set up a similar situation with a fan club, it should be left up them.
and call me weird, but part of the excitement of a new tour revolves around
trying to scam the ticketmaster operators into punching in the info earlier
than 10am and then being able brag to other listees about the great tickets
you scored:) and although it pains me to think about the two women who sat
in front of us in the second row at indy in '95 and turned and asked,
"which one is emily?" at least they didn't scream through the entire show
like i know some listees would have (sorry, it's true). a&e give us a lot.
heck, they said they were taking a break for awhile and i'm still wondering
when they are going take it! it seems to me a lot happened during the so
called "break". so let's not push it with them or rcam.

shaming of the sun
it seems i missed some discussion about the title and the meaning behind
the dolls on the cover. if anybody saved those threads would you mind
forwarding them to me? i did see the cover on the epic site and i must say
that i am very happy they got away from the scratchy handwriting fonts.
when i saw the map demo shirts last summer i was worried that look was
going to hang around too long. so far the packaging gets a thumbs-up from
this designer chick.

boots of the first shows
are they any boot trees set up for the first shows? if someone could let me
know i'd appreciate it.

ig site at sony
i don't know if this is old news, but are you all aware that something is
finally up at www.indigogirls.com? the dolls breakout of the background and
then provide a link to the epic update site. it's nothing much, but it
looks like it will be cool at some point.

tours dates
margaret asked about the possibility of a mini-faq containing tours dates
and new info to be posted to the list every week or so. well i'm working on
a project that i hope will address this issue. i'm finally entering the
wonderful world of www design and i'm currently working on a site that will
serve as a shaming of the sun tour achieve. to start i will have the tour
schedule, set lists (as they become known), boot info, reviews, and links
to other useful sites (pollstar, ticketmaster, etc). i'm hoping the site
becomes the start of a larger concert archieve. once the sots tour is well
underway, i'll try to work on archieving the previous tours. i know others
have asked for a comprehesive boot listing so maybe this can be a start?
any ideas or comments would be appreciated. i hope to get something up in
the next week or so, so stay tuned for the url. in no way is my site meant
to compete with carolyn's great lifeblood site. it's just meant to serve as
a clearinghouse of sorts for the current tour.

that's all folks!

deb

"fun is scared."
--amy ray

i forgot to include this in my last post:

ferron will open the show in eugene on 4/4.

deb

"fun is scared."
--amy ray

hey all!

just wondering.....does anyone happen to know yet who will open for ig at
the davenport, iowa, show?

also, for those of you who will be attending that show and are interested
in hearing a (very possibly factual) scoop on what ig will be doing after
the show--please email me privately.

5 days and counting!
angela
(who is thinking more about ig and less about everything else as the day
of my first ig concert gets closer and closer and closer to fine!  yes i
know, i am a cornball--but what do you expect?  i am from iowa!)
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
".....distant nation my community,
a street person my responsibility,
if i have a care in the world--i have a gift to bring....."
*hammer and a nail*     indigo girls

please ignore my sig on the last two posts. it was sent in error. the
correct quote should be "fun is sacred" not "scared" as previously
reported.

sorry for the confusion.

return to whatever you were doing.

deb

i posted a month or so ago about my experience reading sheila davis' "the
craft of lyric writing"...written in 1985... on page 14 she writes"if you
are burning with desire to lyricize virginia woolf or galileo....."

just curious....did anyone check it out? does anyone know of emily
mentioning this book as inspiring those songs on rop? is it simply
synchronistic?

andrew

okay, a couple of things:

first of all, i just wanted to let everyone know that as of today we have $309.00 total in amy's donation pot (that's $288 for hte and $21 for the artwork). keep it coming. y'all are great.

secondly, if you haven't sent in a donation yet, and need a bit of motivation, this may help a bit....my bud lori (yes darling you're being quoted again...write it down in the date book) sent me a post the other day that covered a pretty important point. please excuse me if i fall back to her exact words...i don't think i could put it more clearly:

"i was just reading all of your plugs for amy's b-day/hte project, and i
dunno, i was also thinking that this is a good way to show her what a great
community of people the list is, that we're not a bunch of way obsessed fans
with not a lot else going on in our lives...that we just really respect and
admire not just her work as a musician, but also the work she does for
worthy causes, and that we are also more than willing to lend a hand when we
can to further these causes."

i'm not saying that we need to validate ourselves, but (especially in the light of these recent list concert posts) i think it would be entirely beneficial to all parties if we could communicate to amy and emily that we're not just a group of rabid fans who sit around discussing their personal lives, but instead a strong community of dedicated people who are simply uniting for a common cause. yes?

ugh. i've gotta kick this preaching thing. nasty habit.

okay, i think i've covered all my bases... talk to y'all later.
-greta

"does it hurt if i yell loud? if i yell loud does it hurt? sure! i do it anyway."
-a. ray

*sighs and smiles* thank you, i needed that...certainly a change from
all those bun-burning posts...but i'm not going through with the
idea...it was stupid and i jumped before i looked...no biggie....all
names, e-mail addys, and comments have been trashed...
but thank you again for your support....i needed that...i've been wary
of reading any mail in my box lately because of all those flames....i
don't delete before reading though....i give everyone a chance to speak
their mind...*glares at the list* unlike some folks :)
anyway, i'm going back to my chat channel... :) see ya around
-sal

"do not try...do or do not...there is no try..." -yoda

hey all.  can't we extinguish all these flames and negative posts about the
list concert?  melissa etheridge has a great way of supporting her fans
with the variety of concerts and tours she offers.  we don't have a fan
club like me offers.  our fan club ignores us - for the most part.  i would
pay for a fan club if they offered even half of what mes fan club offers.
admit it, wouldn't it be great if members of this list could get discounted
tickets for preferred seating?  i understand that a&e are weary of us.  but
being on this list does not a "overly obsessive fan" make.  and what's the
difference between being on this list - and being a member of the fan club?
either one can be considered "obsessive" by any outsider.

so, please, just as we were getting along and getting all excited about the
release of sots - let's not do this again.

plus, every so often, someone posts about how great this list is and how
wonderful the people are. if we are so wonderful, then let's allow people
to post suggestions without needing flame retardant suits. can we?

peace and love (and that means everybody!),
- jen hall

============================
"and when you're learning to face
the path at your pace very choice
is worth your while." - emily saliers

umm...*sheepish grin* i was responding to a nice e-mail that someone
sent me and i hit my cc button by accident...sorry folks!

"do not try...do or do not...there is no try..." -yoda

hello everyone! well, just as i thought, one of my branches has been
inundated with requests, so i was hoping some other kind soul would take
over the jul-dec audio booting of the emily at decatur tape. if there isn't
anyone that can (and it's ok if there isn't ... really!), i could take it on.

please don't send any further requests for audio tapes to nicole
(nix64@aol.com), as she's up to her ears in requests.

let me know so that i can post the new branch to the list, one way or the other.

now, point of information to share with y'all (are you listening claire?).....

i was booting the audio for emily's tape for erica.  now, i have the
original, mind you.  i put the blank in one side and the master in the
other, and hit "record."  nothing happened.  i hit record again...again,
nothing.  i took the tapes out and checked to make sure they were in
right...hit record again...nothing.  hmmmm....then, it hits me...i have the
blank in the "play" side and the master in the "record" side!

all i have to say is thank gawd i pulled the tabs on the master when i got
it, otherwise, i would've taped over the entire side. whew! :o)

thanking my lucky stars, 'cuz i would've been really p****** off if i had
taped over my master,

joni :o)

hey!  last night i went to see erasure in concert here in chicago.  awesome
time.  they did something which i thought was a great idea for a concert.
the show was general admission which normally would irk me big time.  but
erasure fans aren't quite as crazy in love with them as ig fans are crazy
in love with a and e, so there was no pushing, shoving, cutting or
stomping,  in fact i got there 45 minutes before show time and we were
right up front and cut nobody.  i was hardly used to such a casual concert
atmosphere.
        anyway, they come out and had these larger than life playing cards.
each card had a song title on it.  they would pass it out to someone
before each song and they would play the song that was chosen.  i was
like--how cool!  then a fan picked a joker and they got to choose any song
they wanted.  i just thought that idea was such a fantastic idea for a show
and really got the crowd into the show.  i just kept dreaming of ig doing
this and me picking the joker and screaming out strange fire!!! strange
fire!!!! while jumping up and down.  can someone high up there on the list
please suggest this to the girls.  tell them flamer wants it this way and
i'm sure they'll change everything for me--heh heh.

having fond memories of the 10 dollar tour where the first one in line got
to make the set list....

greg

the great jen hall wrote:

>plus, every so often, someone posts about how great this list is and how
>wonderful the people are. if we are so wonderful, then let's allow people
>to post suggestions without needing flame retardant suits. can we?

i don't think jen meant it as a hint but i'm gonna take it as one anyway
and remind you all that this list *is* a great place and a big ole family
in a lot of ways.  a little bickering is par for the course, but i'm
calling for a group hug and whatever apologies for hurt feelings are
necessary to repair the rifts before the next family reunion.  (those of
you who are wondering what i mean by "family reunion," i suggest you get
tickets to the next ga ig concert and get on line at 10:15 am.  you won't
regret it. :) and then, if you haven't yet, take out your checkbook and
send what you can to honor the earth c/o greta because it's the right
thing to do.

i think we should all feel comfortable enough to express our opinions here
honestly, but please try to remember that there are ways to express those
opinions that can be more or less hurtful to people.  i know for me, there
have been times when i've been a bit peeved by something and have been
tempted to say something less-than-nice, but i have a rule i follow that
seems to be working well so far (i don't *think* i've alienated anyone
yet, have i?).  before i post i reread what i've written and consider not
only what amy and emily would think but what the listees i most respect
would think, and even if i think i'm perfectly justified in what i have to
say, if i think that any of them would respect me less for posting it (not
for *thinking* it, but for *posting* it), i don't.  i toss it in the dead
letter box, or press delete, or gripe to a friend or two, but i keep it
off the list.  i'm certainly not perfect, and i might even agree with some
of the more obnoxious posts on occasion, but i do try to be on my best
behavior for the sake of "shalom bayit" (hebrew phrase meaning "peace in
the home").

everyone have "strange fire?" go play track six. ... c'mon people now
smile on your brother everybody get together gotta love one another right
now...

next on the soapbox?

....audrey
*who is excited because she finally got a draft done of a story she's
been trying to write since forever, or at least for a year and a half.

#############################################################################

"oouh la, la, la... bork bork bork! sheme-a oon yuoo"
-- amy ray and the swedish chef

i have three vhs copies of the ig performance at radio city hall (1994) and
one copy of various videos and tv appearances looking for suitable homes. if
you're interested in adopting one of these fine maxell hgx-gold tapes, e-mail
me and hopefully we can set up a trade. they don't eat too much and they
promise to only go on newspaper. just make sure to keep them out of direct
sunlight and hot cars.

smiles : )
annemarie

at 05:04 pm 3/23/97 -0500, audrey wrote:

>in a lot of ways. a little bickering is par for the course, but i'm
>calling for a group hug and whatever apologies for hurt feelings are
>necessary to repair the rifts before the next family reunion.
good idea audrey...
hell... me and all my personalities are having a big ol' hug fest right here
on our own...
:-)
hmmm... perhaps that was more info than i shoulda' shared... :-)
peace y'all... kim ( goddess o' straight jackets, though i refuse to
conform!!) lol
***"of course i know him. he's me." obi-wan kenobi
perhaps *the* most intelligent line from star wars***

ok, we have a new branch for the jul-dec audio emily at decatur boot.

please send further requests to annemarie (debatediva@aol.com) (thanks
annemarie...you are a tree-saver! :o)

thanks to tucker and tracy for offering too! you guys rock!

we are back in business! have a good one everyone!
joni :o)

you know you're obsesseds ig fan when:

1. you name your first horse (a 17.2 hand dapple grey thoroughbred mare)
closer to fine
(and some one walks up to you at a horse show and says, " are you an indigo
girls fan?" and it's the highlight of your horeseback- riding career!)

2. you plan to name your next horse (hopefully a 16-17 hand black quarter
horse gelding) prince of darkness.

3. you only dream of naming your 3rd, 4th, 5th, etc. horse ummm...let's see:
love's recovery, touch me fall (wait, wouldn't that be kind of a bad name for
a horse-he he,) tried to be true!!!!

if anyone wants to sell a black quarter horse geling....i'm looking! he he
and don't touch my names! (just kidding!)

-emily

okay, i'm with kim and audrey!

group hug. ready?

ah, isn't that better?

peace and friendship!
- jen hall

============================
"and when you're learning to face
the path at your pace every choice
is worth your while." - emily saliers

right after rop came out, i saw a local musician, rache alpert, play at
a bookstore nearby. i think she's toured with the girls a few times, and i
know they're old friends or something. anyway, rache was telling the
audience that she was the one who "brought up reincarnation over a couple
of beers the other night." so i would assume that their conversation
rather than that book inspired galileo, but ya never know.
julie

on sun, 23 mar 1997, andrew s. lane wrote:

>   i posted a month or so ago about my experience reading sheila davis' "the
> craft of lyric writing"...written in 1985...  on page 14  she writes"if you
> are burning with desire to lyricize virginia woolf or galileo....."
>
> just curious....did anyone check it out?  does anyone know of emily
> mentioning this book as inspiring those songs on rop?  is it simply
> synchronistic?
>
> andrew
>
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now that we're all shiny happy people again, i've got a couple questions you
guys might be able to answer.

#1-- did we ever figure out if john irving made up the whole ellen james
thing, or if it's real?

#2-- this is less related to anything at all, except i'm curious. my mother,
in describing the modifications the carpenter is making to our house,
included the fact that he's building a chicken coop. upon further inquiry,
she informed me that she wants to raise two chickens. does anyone out there
have any clue why she might want to do that?!! we don't live in the country,
we don't eat eggs very often, and i know she could never raise chickens to
eat them. any ideas? she'd said soemthing about getting dogs when i left for
college last year, but this is a little bit different. i'm hugely perplexed.
i know some of you out there *must* have chickens or know something about
the joys of raising them
any thoughts?

thanks
okaybye
jasmine

                        hey ya'll......if you're curious about virginia w.
read "orlando"....the movie is o.k.  but  if you really want to know what a
powerful, inventive writer she was read the book......humanism is what it's
all about....
                   brian

he was last seen arriving at shank hall in milwaukee last night. he
appearently left to go somewhere , never returned to the venue - a missing
persons report was filed and the rest of the tour has been cancelled the
rest of the band (including his wife tina) has gone home. please keep him
in your prayers, he is a really gifted writer, and pretty decent guy.

*hoping for the best -- there really isnt any official word released but
this has been confirmed by many close to the band*
this is not a joke

praying,
mike

eeek!  a&e, or both, don't actually tune into this list, do they??
eeek!   rereading some of our posts, i think many of us should
think twice before posting.  i keep thinking about my "what if you
saw them in an elevator?" thread, and (eeek!) maybe that sounded
a little (eeek!) obsessive and/or childish.  but, hey, i had some
basis for this, and i didn't mean to start a flood of replies.

o.k. if you read this, amy or emily, sorry for our ig-list-show-only
arguments and other strange dissussions and/or flammage and my
elevator question. we didn't mean it. also, come to the riverside in
milwaukee during this upcoming tour! hope to be your elevator operator!

;-) (truly, people, i kid.)

on fri, 21 mar 1997 11:09:59 est s r murphy <sundarling@juno.com> writes:
> i taped soy off the radio last night,

>and, my gawd, this could be big.  i don't know how i feel about it.
>but i can definately see this going top 40.  augh.  the thought turns
>my stomach a little bit.  color me selfish, but i don't want them to
>get too big.  although, part of me thinks that is dumb of me and i
>should want as many people as possible to hear the messages and the
>beauty of their music, but still i want them all for me and other
>equally devoted fans.

i too have the same feelings.  i don't want ig music to be cheapened by listeners
who don't really understand the message.  please, god, don't let this
happen.
don't you think a&e would feel the same way?  didn't amy say in an
interview
that she doesn't really want a hit record?  isn't her reasoning just this?  the music isn't
meant as a commercial thing, so it shouldn't be made commercial just for
commercial's sake.  let's hope it won't.  let's hope that the people who
have the
power to do this do it for all the right reasons, and that the listeners
who have the
power to keep the music on top know why it should be on top.  you'd all
agree that
it should be on top, right?  of course, but just like sundara says, it is
a personal kind
of music, and for it to be publicly on top means that it won't be as
personal to many
people as it is to us, the devoted fans.  if it does get a lot of radio
play, and even
becomes top 40, maybe those of us who appreciate its intensity and
meaning can
share our insight with those who see it as just a cool rawkin' piece of
music.

then tony, da chickenman, said:
>isn't this like really close to what soy is about -- unnecessarily
>keeping immigrants out of the *promised land*? let's open up our arms
and
>our hearts wide to welcome the new ig converts -- love expands as it is
>given, amyray, so the more the better, i say!! :)
>can you imagine the whole world groovin' to ig tunes? it would
>surely be a drastic improvement for the state of humankind and the
world!

yeah, but..... will people see it as a drastic improvement? we will.
may other people's
eyes be so opened!!!!

lisa

thanks for submitting an idea.  i just got back from a weekend of
travel and saw a message from someone on this list that said we
shouldn't be knocking amy's t-shirt that she wears all the time.  well,
we wouldn't be.  that's not the point of the shirt design idea.  it would
be
to show our appreciation.  a&e wouldn't have to wear them, but it would
be nice for them to do so and understand our message of appreication to
them.
it wouldn't be "hey, amy, stop wearing that same 'ol shirt!  get some
other
clothes for a change, will ya'? that's not the point!!!

what if we do make something like this for a&e, but also make it
available
to list members? it sounds like a really good design and very personal.
it
has ig meaning, an ig message, and what sounds like a beautiful idea for
the artwork.

on fri, 21 mar 1997 23:24:17 -0600 lisa cuevas <nanzajellybean@webtv.net>
writes:
> i went to my desk and started drawing and by the time the song was over
i had this
>picture...i thought it might be a okay design to give to amy at the ft.
worth
>concert..... it's done it pencil, in the background is a
>tepee, in the fore ground an outline of a
>bird with it's wings outspread....the bottom half of the bird kinda
>blends into an indian...he doesn't have a face but where it should be
>are the letters "ig"...the indians arms are outstretched and written
>them is a line from blood quantum "wisdom deep within the rock
>outlives the pretty lies upon the face"....that's basically it...what do
ya'll
>think? we could make two of these shirts and give one to am and one to
>emily since they both wrote blood quantum
>
>recycle religion...it's been done before,
>nanzajellybean

okay, time for my daily post on this thing. i just wanted to clear up
some confusion that the wording of my posts has caused. i recently
recieved a message that said:

> i am uncomfortable with the idea of doing a "presentation"
> in the middle of the show.  that seems to me (and others with whom i have
> talked) to be somewhat self-aggrandizing.  it also runs the risk of
> upstaging the ig by putting the focus on our gift, and not the humility
> that we have as a result of amy's awesomeness and superb leadership
> additionally, since we know that a and e are already skeptical of this
> list, it seems like doing something reserved,  humble, and respectful
> would be a nice way to act.  the idea of "presenting" something during the
> show seems almost the antithesis of this to me.

we (tony and i) do not plan on presenting the gift during the show.
throwing it onstage or handing it to amy during the concert would not
only be disrespectful to amy, but it would be disrespectful to everyone
who has donated and to greta, who has worked so hard on this gift.  it
would also degrade the gift.  we have contacted russell carter's office
to ask if there is any way arrange a time where we can simply present
the gift to amy face to face.  we fully understand that amy's time is
valuable and if this is not something that can be done (which is
understandable) we have several back up plans (these include giving the
gift to russell or someone on the road crew), we just want to make sure
that amy recieves the gift.  we do not want to make a big deal out of
this, just a simple presentation before or after the concert.  i am
aware of the fact that amy and emily are skeptical of the list and what
is posted here (very understandable), which is one reason i wanted the
list to do this, to show them that we aren't a bunch of obsessed fans
that sit around and talk about their personal lives, but that we have
been inspired by their music and message to get invovled and try to help
out.  i am very sorry that the wording in my posts has been confusing.
i hope that this has cleared up the confusion.  if it hasn't or you have
any questions, problems, or comments please let me know at
"mandi96@airmail.net" and i will try to help out in any way possible.
we do not want to offend anyone (amy, emily, russell carter, or any of
you) with what we are doing, we only want to help, so if we have
offended anybody please let us know.  again, i am very sorry about any
confusion that i have caused.

thanks for your time.

love,
mandi

i cannot read any of my mail on my unix server -- my mbox is corrupted and
i'm quite stressed out -- if there are any milwaukee fans or athens area
fans that find out anything -- please send it my way -- i will be checking
my email every few hours - i dont think i can listen to vic tonight...

any info , hopefully positive -- will be appreciated, this does have some
ig relation since ig did a cover tune of his. i also recently published an
interview with him friday -- here it is --

--------
last saturday, while most of the city of boston was celebrating in
anticipation of st. patrick s day, a small and ardent group of people
crammed into the paradise rock club in boston to hear singer-songwriter vic
chesnutt.
vic is a legend in many independent music circles and has released five
albums, and has had his songs covered by artists as diverse as madonna, rem
and smashing pumpkins on the recently released  sweet relief 2
compliation.  his latest album,  about to choke  was released in november.
his stop in boston provided not only a chance to see him perform, but also
to sit down for an interview.
vic is a really humble guy, i was late getting to the club as i forgot
exactly where it was and appearently arrived in time for vic to go off to
dinner.  vic wasn t hungry. he looked very tired, and i would learn later
that he drove all night from his last show in washington, dc.
vic s lyrics are often referred to by many as focusing on the ornate
details in life but with often beautiful metaphors that only vic can
conjure up.
  it s like doing magic, you know the guy always has a rubber band in his
sleeve,  chesnutt continues,  i like looking for rubber bands in the way i
live
chesnutt is familar with questions it seems every interviewer asks.  he
sits in a wheelchair due to a car accident which left his legs paralyzed
and his motor control in his arm.  he was drunk while he had the accident.
  he started performing his songs at various bars in athens, ga to pay
bills. chesnutt recorded his first album in one day when rem s michael
stipe just about forced him into a recording studio.  the results of  the
day became the album  little.
vic would save one his oldest songs, and one of my favorite songs,  see you
around  for his latest album  about to choke.
  i hate that song  is his first reaction when asked about it.   no, it is
just an old song.  he mentions later it is about three people, and
somewhere there is an eight track demo of the song in its original form
recorded twelve years ago.
another song which i ask about brings a different reaction.  in the liner
notes for a song titled  panic pure  it has a mention about it being
written in a workshop of some sort.
the story that vic told probably went on for about ten minutes.  he went to
this workshop that worked with folk arts and artist and his friends
nominated him to go to this workshop to focus on his songwriting.
one night, after drinking a few beers, he got out his wheelchair and
rolled down a hill. he had the basic song idea as he was crawling up the
hill and he ended up writing the song the next day, after spending the
night sleeping on his hydraulic lift and waking up as people were lining up
for breakfast right across from where he was parked.
while talking to vic was an incredible pleasure, i was truly psyched to see
him perform live.  i had a chance to see him in brooklyn last november, and
decided not to go because i had too much work to do and i was not aware
some of my friends had gone through extravagant means to surprise me and
have me meet vic. since i never went, it was even that more special to see
him this night.
i had already heard the first show of this leg of the tour as it was a
radio broadcast.  the tape was good, but hearing him at such a small venue,
half filled at most, with every person listening attentively to the show
was a very welcome atmosphere.  chesnutt was joined by his wife, tina on
bass, guitarist jimmy davidson and drummer alex mcmanus.
the band tore through  strange language , and continued through a couple of
songs from a collaboration with members of widespread panic called  brute.
after he asked the crowd for requests, which were mostly obscure titles by
an obscure musican. vic launched in  gravity of the situation,  the
subtitle for the sweet relief compilation.
as the show continued, vic turned many of the songs from his recent release
into feedback laiden tunes, giving such tracks as  ladle ,  swelters ,  hot
seat ,  terragon , and  threads  lively reworkings that went far beyond
what i had imagined they would sound like live.
vic finished the show with a few more songs, ending with an unreleased tune
called  second floor  which was brillant.
vic is a busy man, he is scheduled to tour the country though march and
april, with another broadcast of a concert in seattle set to hit the
internet on easter.  he then will return to europe, where he usually
attracts crowds double the size of his stateside crowds.  he is also
planning to return to the northeast in late may or june.

hi!

i usually lurk, but i had to share this with y'all.

my fiance and i have been together for about five years, and he never liked the
girls' music. he is very picky about what he listens to. though he never put
them down, he would just say that they are too mellow for him (he listens to
progressive metal like kansas, echolyn, etc.) he never understood why i liked
tham so much.

whenever we ride around in his car, we usually switch off picking
tapes to play. usually he plays some clockhammer, while i listen to one of the
many mix tapes that i have made especially for his car. over the years, i have
tried to get him to listen to ig more by putting ig songs on the tapes that i
make, but to no avail.

the last time i went home for a weekend from school, i brought rop and
so home to listen to, and i accidentally left rop in his stereo. so, i ask him
to bring it with him this weekend, because i really miss having the disc
around! he says he will, but when he arrives at my school, he doesn't have it.

anyway, to get to the point (finally!), the reason why he didn't bring it with
him is becase he couldn't bear to part with it. he's converted! woooohooo!

so, there's my little ig story for the night.

(sorry to waste the bandwidth.)

one more thing:

i was wondering how the other loops have been going.  i am a member of loop 8,
and it has been a really great experience.  i noticed a few posts about people
having problems.  if anybody that is a member of a failed loop wants to trade,
i am open!  ( wouldn't want all those great tapes to go to waste!)

kelly
kfairbairn@stonehill.edu

in a message dated 97-03-23 21:36:07 est, mandi writes:

<< we have contacted russell carter's office
to ask if there is any way arrange a time where we can simply present
the gift to amy face to face. we fully understand that amy's time is
valuable and if this is not something that can be done (which is
understandable) we have several back up plans (these include giving the
gift to russell or someone on the road crew), we just want to make sure
that amy recieves the gift. >>

i thought a donation was simply going to be sent to hte in amy's name.
i didn't think making sure she knows about it was the point ...
if it is to be, it will be .... that's what grandma always says.

anyway..my.02 ( not..i repeat..not a flame :)
love ! ( but i *don't* hug ;)
miss b

"war and business make the man, he stole the sky and the indian land..
his wife helped him fold the free, cooking and cleaning...silently..."
(laura nyro)

ok so they say sots will be the girls 8th album. i know i am missing strange
fire, but am i missing any other studio albums, or do the live albums
count...

indigo girls
saints nomads and indains
rites of passage
swamp ophelia
back on the bus y'all
1200 curfews

mindala

okay...this is going to sound like i have an amazing knowledge of the obvious. on "1200 curfews", em prefaces "virginia woolf" by talking about how her mother, the librarian, gave her (loaned her, actually) a copy of v.'s unabridged diaries. she talks of how v. became her friend through the pages...etc. i think it's really coincidental that the two famed people were mentioned together as songwriting subjects, and em just happened to write songs about them...strange world. = )

my two shiny happy pennies...

jennifer wakefield
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
"raaaaaawwwrrrr!!!!!!" - - chewbacca (since jen hall took my yoda quote...*s*)

just a little update and rehashing on the auburn show.  if you missed my
first email (or the second...or the third) i am organizing a group of
listers to go see ig at auburn university on april 25th.  we are pooling
our money so that we can buy block tickets on april 10th, rather than the
14th.  if you would like to go, and you haven't emailed me yet, please do,
and i'd be happy to send you all the details.  there are currently 32
people going, and still counting!!!  if you've already emailed me and not
received a response, please email me again and let me know.  i've responded
to every email i've gotten, but ....*shrug*.....who knows???  see y'all in
auburn!!
sue

sorry...i typed the wrong name...apologies to jen hall, it was salray who took (borrowed...is that better? *s*) the yoda quote. apologies to all involved.

jennifer wakefield

at 09:50 pm 3/23/97 -0500, yknib wrote:
>in a message dated 97-03-23 21:36:07 est, mandi writes:
><< we have contacted russell carter's office
> to ask if there is any way arrange a time where we can simply present
> the gift to amy face to face. we fully understand that amy's time is
> valuable and if this is not something that can be done (which is
> understandable) we have several back up plans (these include giving the
> gift to russell or someone on the road crew), we just want to make sure
> that amy recieves the gift. >>
>
(claire continues:)
>i thought a donation was simply going to be sent to hte in amy's name.
>i didn't think making sure she knows about it was the point ...

        hi! chickenman (tony fraps) butting in here (conspirator in
deeds-uncertain with mandi martin and greta gohn ;)
        first, let me say that to the best of my recollection, this was all
mandi's idea from the outset.  and i think it is a damn splendid idea and i
think mandi should be congratulated for her good heart, excellent idea and
follow through on it!  you waaaaaaaayyyyy go mandi!!!!!!!! <at least in my
book> :)
        secondly, how many times have you given someone a birthday present
and not told them about it...hmmm..... <come on now, be honest> ;)
        third, this list sucks and we are *all* a bunch of fucking
losers!!!!!  of course, we know this is not true.  some of us actually want
to make a difference in this world;
        fourth, if this list has a *bad image* with a&e&rc we will
undoubtedly not get permission to make a presentation to amy -- so be it.
if we do get permission this would be an awfully good chance to put a
friendly face on the list and as someone posted earlier, to show a&e that
the list is *not* just a bunch of obssessed fans, but that even beyond our
appreciation for their music, we appreciate the good deeds and efforts they
have made in the global community!
        fifth, i thoroughly admit that i would like to meet a&e in person!
is there one person on this list who would not also like to meet them???   i
say, let he who is without sin cast the first stone! <sorry> ;)
        sixth, we had in mind giving amy a birthday card made by a list
member, notice of an amount donated to hte in her name, *and* a piece of
native american artwork also as a gift from the list.  now i realize that it
is nearly impossible to get 800-1,000 people to agree upon any one thing,
but i just have one question:

are we doing something really terrible here??????? :o

(tony dashes to closet to gather boots & coots firefighting gear ;)

i love you all, now simmer down.....

i thought not! :) amyray,

>if it is to be, it will be .... that's what grandma always says.
>
>anyway..my.02 ( not..i repeat..not a flame :)
>love ! ( but i *don't* hug ;)
>miss b
>
>"war and business make the man, he stole the sky and the indian land..
> his wife helped him fold the free, cooking and cleaning...silently..."
> (laura nyro)
>
>--
>administrative requests should not be sent to the list!
>to unsubscribe, send email to listserv@netspace.org
>        with the line: signoff indigo-girls
>
>
i       tony, da chickenman - houston, texas, usa       g
n                                                       i
d       not content to bow and bend to the whims        r
i       of culture that swoop like vultures             l
g       eating us away to our extinction                s
o                               - emily saliers

sorry folks, about the tail end on the previous message. it was
supposed to look like this ;)

are we doing something really terrible here??????? :o

(tony dashes to closet to gather boots & coots firefighting gear ;)

i love you all, now simmer down.....

i       tony, da chickenman - houston, texas, usa       g
n                                                       i
d       not content to bow and bend to the whims        r
i       of culture that swoop like vultures             l
g       eating us away to our extinction                s
o                               - emily saliers

to all those interested in the penn state show:

tickets will be on sale starting tomorrow for the penn state show on april
15th.  only those with penn state id's will be able to purchase tickets
tomorrow (@ $20 per ticket, maximum 6).  on tuesday, they will be on sale
for everyone else (@ $22 per ticket, maximum 6).  starting tuesday, you
will be able to call bryce jordan for tickets, but tomorrow, students must
go to eisenhower box office.  we expect the show to sell out tuesday or
wednesday, but a sell out tomorrow is definately possible.  i apologize for
the short notice, but i just found out this minute.

happiness and pez,
mike

at 05:33 pm 3/23/97 +0000, someone wrote:

>i just pulled this off the ig newsgroup, where it was posted by max
>slover, and i thought i would pass it on as it seems to have a couple new
>dates.

not on the list but confirmed:

july 2 greek theatre - los angeles, ca

happy easter to everyone ! ( early)
from nirad telenet and the telecast.
bill darin

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what is this??? why did i get this? it took up amazing amounts of space!!! can someone please explain this to me? sheesh...

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quoted from the milwaukee journal sentinel:

singer reported missing makes call to his wife

by a staff writer
of the journal sentinel staff

march 23, 1997

singer vic chesnutt was reported safe after the singer left a phone message
for his wife sunday
night, his manager said.

chesnutt had been reported missing after failing to appear for a concert
saturday night at shank hall
in milwaukee.

chesnutt's manager, kevin o'neill, said tina chesnutt called and said that
when she checked her
phone messages about 9 p.m. chesnutt had called. he did not say where he
was but that he was
just driving.

"it was really good news just to hear from (him), for us," o'neill said. "i
think he had just had too
much of the road. he has been going at it for a long time."
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who is vic?

        perhaps this has already been posted, but
the guy i talked to this morning said the contract is due
back sometime today.  tickets will be sold through
fairground tix pavillion (?) the number is
918-747-0001.   any sort of list gathering?  kidfears
and i will be there.

thanks
trinket

can someone tell me who is vic....why do we care...and what does he
have to do with ig???
zav

         ellen degeneres' character on her self-titled sitcom is
         scheduled to reveal she is a lesbian on
         the star-studded one-hour episode set for
         april 30th. the episode will feature oprah winfrey as a
         shrink who helps ellen come out of the closet, and laura
         dern (jurassic park) will play ellen's love interest. other
         guest stars include demi moore, dwight yoakam, billy bob
         thornton, and gina gershon, who'll all appear in a dream
         sequence in which ellen is shopping at a supermarket having
         sales specials for lesbians. abc may decide to air the
         one-hour episode over two weeks. the april 30th ellen will be
         followed by an episode of primetime, in which degeneres is
         expected to discuss her own sexuality with diane sawyer.
         ellen moves back to wednesday nights after the drew carey
some of this is old news some not like ellen on primetime to discuss her
sexuality

for those interested in calling the bryce jordan center for ig tickets, the
number is (814)-863-1000. sorry i forgot to include this yesterday.

mike

hey ya'll,
can anyone give me any info on how i can get tickets to the 5/20 show at
american univ.i'm planning on flying up from atlanta.

thanks ya'll,
deb

thanks minghan for the info..... i feel like...duh!!!!!!
zav
ps....you actually are the first to reply

at 02:36 pm 3/24/97 +0000, someone wrote:

>can someone tell me who is vic....

a singer-songwriter

>why do we care...

because we're compassionate human beings

>and what does he have to do with ig???

they like his music and sang one of his
songs, "free of hope" on the "sweet relief ii"
benefit album.

proceeds from the album help musicians pay for
medical treatment and medically related expenses.

at 08:47 am 3/24/97 -0500, karra wrote:
>thanks to everyone who took the time to let me know you appreciated the
>article. i hesitated a minute before i did it, wondering if it would just
>be a waste of time (yours and mine), so it's good to hear i made the right
>decision :)
>

karra, an emily article is never ever a waste of time! thanks so much. i
really enjoyed it.

joanie

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after the ball my long-haired lady went to the doctor with mrs.
vanderbilt. then they went out in the back with the barking dogs and said
loudly "i saw her standing there," but the prince of darkness got on his
high horse and said "don't go chasing waterfalls." they traveled to the
village of old siam, sir, where there was a pirate who got a ship and a girl
and broke a bottle to christen her. she was a very good listener. then they
got on their jet, flew in from miami beach, and landed in the backseat of my
car. like i've always said, "check my machine because the hardest to learn
was the least comlicated."

http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/alley/9404/macca.htm

hi everyone.  i am so sorry to bring this up once again, i'm sure you
have discussed it many times, but because i was on spring break i missed
it all.  anyone who went to the hofstra show on 3/16, what did you think?
please feel free to email me personally, i just wanted to get an idea
of what others thought.  ciao for now... :) lynn
ps- joanie cyr, did you get my blanks in the mail?

>this just in...
>two yknib ssim fan club members win seattle ig contest!!!

>a seattle radio station was having a contest all weekend for the upcoming
"indigo girls
>listening party" on april 3rd. amy & emily will be there to perform 2-3
songs from the new release. one yknib ssim charter member was the very
first to win free tickets on friday night and the second member was the very
last person to win tickets on sunday night!!!

way to go gals!!!! :)

tony
vip and founder - yknib ssim fan club

hi folks,

this is old news for most of you, but for the benefit of our new
additions you'll be hearing about it about once a month or so.

i maintain a "new england area" exploder for list news that's
relevant on a regional scale only. for example:

        ig concert announcements
        arranging rides to and from concerts
        discussion of ne list get togethers
        plans to take over the pnw and ransom sundara to boston
        local folk music concert announcements (non-ig)

and other things of great or little import.

this is not a listserv list, i have to manually include and remove
you -- but i'm happy to do so. if you'd like to be placed on the
exploder (there are 27 of us now) please send me _private_ email and
i'll include you and send you back instructions on how to use the
exploder.

take care,

chris

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mit center for space research                 upon the stars...."
cmbecker@space.mit.edu                           -- e. saliers

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obviously she wants to be known as

chickenwoman

> #2-- this is less related to anything at all, except i'm curious. my mother,
> in describing the modifications the carpenter is making to our house,
> included the fact that he's building a chicken coop. upon further inquiry,
> she informed me that she wants to raise two chickens. does anyone out there
> have any clue why she might want to do that?!! we don't live in the country,

--
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          -- vice president al gore
"i feel my pain."
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seats have just been released around the soundboard and it looks like
they've converted the handicap section to benches.  run to your nearest
ticketmaster outlet!!!  if anyone can be to the michigan union by 4 pm to
pay for them, i'll try to pull you some.  my number is 313 763 4556.

karra \ kmcleroy@umich.edu \ university of michigan office of major events
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two yknib ssim fan club members win ig tickets...
okay...so which one is taking ma bink??
-nana bubbles

"do not try...do or do not...there is no try..." -yoda

everything in its own time is on wfuv (90.7) in nyc right now (about 1:20
pm)...sounds really, really good in the album version. lots of strings.

peace,
bill

> i maintain a "new england area" exploder for list news that's

>relevant on a regional scale only. for example:

> ig concert announcements

> arranging rides to and from concerts

> discussion of ne list get togethers

> plans to take over the pnw and ransom sundara to boston

> local folk music concert announcements (non-ig)

>and other things of great or little import.

hey if there's any interest in a southeast sub-list similar to this, i could set one up.. email me(mailto:raine@area51.homecom.com) if you are in this area and you would feel that you would benefit from a list such as that. if there's enough interested, i'll do it :)

merry monday *sigh*,

raine

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raine amy c sanders

</color>mailto:raine@area51.homecom.com "safe in the arm's

http://area51.homecom.com/~raine of love's discovery"

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mary fonted:
> a lot of people seem concerned with the fact that the ig might become too
> popular and might aqcuire,you know,dumb fans.personally,i have an
<snip> and
> oblivious,i don't think we have to worry about not being able to get tix for
> shows because lamers stole our seats.ok...i will stop rambling...love, mary

dontcha think they already have enough lame fans? here, i'll do an
impression:
*********************
lame fan: "<squeak> ohmogod it's the indigo girls! you know i can't tell
which one is which, but i *love* that 'galileo' song..."

lame fan2: "yeah, but did you know they're...<gasp>...*lesbians*?"

lame fan: "oh well, let's go step on those diehard fans so we can get to
the front...it's not our fault that we couldn't wait in line 12 hours for
the place to open up like they did..."
**************************

i think you're right mary, they'll never gain mtv icon status. too many
people out there just don't get their music. :)

(btw, non sequetur alert...does anyone remember who sang that song "i'm
glad i'm not a kennedy" around 89 or 90?)
--peace out!
**************************************
it's like trying to fight gravity on a planet that insists
that love is like falling and falling is like this.--ani
*****gwen keyt******
seattle pacific university
bsn class of 1997!!!
gkeyt@paul.spu.edu

and....i called the fairgrounds pavillion ticket office, and asked the lady what information she had on the tickets. "none yet," she said. i'm telling you...there is serious foot-dragging going on here. *sigh* she said just to keep checking back. *grrrrrrr*

jennifer wakefield
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        perhaps this has already been posted, but
the guy i talked to this morning said the contract is due
back sometime today.  tickets will be sold through
fairground tix pavillion (?) the number is
918-747-0001.   any sort of list gathering?  kidfears
and i will be there.

thanks
trinket

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with the line: signoff indigo-girls

did anyone post the set list to last week's elmira show? i was gone and
never heard anything about it. if it's out there, could you please forward a
copy of it to me. i need it for my web site.

also, did anyone else notice in the discograpy on the epic site that they
list the release date of 1200 as oct 6, 1995 and the release date of so as
may 6, 1994? not in my neighborhood they weren't! (and some of you guys
scoff at the faq! ;)

deb

hey guys!

i just called and sean the dj told me he'd play shame on you. so turn your dial to 99x to hear it :) others can also listen to 99x via real audio. go to http://www.com/99x/ for more info.

wow i sound like a commercial or something *grin*

raine

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raine amy c sanders

</color>mailto:raine@area51.homecom.com "safe in the arm's

http://area51.homecom.com/~raine of love's discovery"

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i haven't seen or heard anything about the ig release date, so i
assume that the march 4th date is wrong (if anybody wants to correct
me, go ahead......),

john.

"oh, these little eartquakes,
here they come again....."

tori amos, little earthquakes

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first of all, i should preface this message with the obligatory, "these are
only my opinions..." because i really don't want to be inundated with flames.
after taking a much needed weekend off of work (working 60 hours a week isn't
that great!) and catching up on my mail this morning, i'm a little concerned
with this message and all the things that it could imply.

> a lot of people seem concerned with the fact that the ig might
> become too popular and might aqcuire,you know,dumb fans.personally,i
> have an unconditional love for the ig,as do all of you.

okay, first of all, i haven't heard of anyone saying that they were concerned
with the indigo girls becoming to popular and acquiring "dumb" fans. but even
if they had said such a thing, my response would be simply, "whose definition
of 'dumb' are we referring to?" this is a pretty unfair judgement of people
who are either new to the indigo girls, or to the concept of thought their
music encompasses.

> the indigo girls would be my favorite performers if they were a little local
> ''nobody has heard of us''group,or if they had the popularity of
> micheal jackson in the 80's.

that's a pretty fair statement, and since the first of these is how they got
their start, it's safe to assume that many people feel the same way.

> i don't think we have to worry that much about amy and emily getting lame
> fans who don't understand the messages they present in their music and
> lyrics.

okay, you're probably right that you don't have to worry about them getting
"lame" fans who don't understand the messages.  but guess what, there are
loads of ways to interpret the messages.  you see, you're ideas are not always
going to be other people's ideas.  that's the beauty of music, you can
*interpret* it anyway you'd like to.  none of us that i know of, has the
insider's scoop on what (precisely) amy ray or emily saliers may have been
thinking or feeling when they wrote each and every song.  therefore, the
circumstances surrounding each song and it's meaning changes based on who's
listening.  and no one is wrong for bringing their own "spin" to the
interpretation of the song or songs in question.

i've read opinions by folks on this list that i don't necessarily agree with,
but i wouldn't classify them as "lame" for not following the same thought path
that i did. this is a pretty harsh statement and for those of us on the list
who might fit into the "lame" list, it deserves an apology.

> quite frankly,i think it's mtv that plays the bands that those
> sort of people are attracted to.mtv is more or less about fashion
> these days,not about music.since the ig are not known far and wide
> for their music video making(yes,there have been some),and they really
> are sort of fashion oblivious,i don't think we have to worry about
> not being able to get tix for shows because lamers stole our seats.ok...

now i get to the part that i think i should explain my arguement carefully.
fisrt of all, i watch mtv with some regularity. i live in an area that
doesn't get much in the way of radio reception, but we have cable, so i can
still hear the music i enjoy.

second, i would disagree that the indigo girls are not known for their videos.
in some areas, this is highly untrue. their videos are extremely well thought
out, and they do get airtime, but not necessarily on mtv...i've seen them with
some regularity on vh1. in fact i saw the power of two video (which by the
way, is an amazing video!) about 30 or 40 times in the first 2 months of it's
release.

third, the indigo girls have never been known for being fashion conscious, but
do we need to discuss that in a forum where we can't even see the people we're
talking to?  what's to say that any of us could not be construed as fashion
faux pas?  i know that there are days where each and everyone of us walks out
of our house, apartment, dorm room or wherever we may dwell, looking as if we
had selected our outfits in a blinding moment of drunken stupor.  it's too bad
that they don't make giranimals for adults.

finally, my last point, and i will let this one die...  unless you have some
permanent seat at a particular venue, and someone has decided to sit in that
seat without your permission or they bid a higher price to the ticket sales
office for "your" seat, no one is going to be stealing your seat.  concerts
come and go, and though we'd all like to see them as often as possible, it's
never the end of the world if you miss them (though, i know people who've
acted as such).  everyone has the right and the same chances to buy tickets as
the next individual.  to whine about the possibility of not being able to
tickets for a show because of the "lame" folks buying up the tickets is almost
as childish as picking a fight with someone who accidently sat in your seat.

perhaps you should re-think your words before you send off your messages. in
a world full of so much diversity...and diversity that we all claim to
cherish, comments like this can wound. be kind to those who may be different
from you, you may be in a position one day to need their assistance, and
should they treat you with the same lack of consideration, you may find
yourself alone.

--marty

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hi there,

today's my first day on the list, so my apologies if this has already been brought up.

auburn u. is offering a special deal for groups of 20 or more going to the ig show on april 25. is there anyone on the list in the auburn area who is planning on going? i'm in gainesville, fl, and can get at least 10-12 people to go up there if we can find someone who can a) fill up the rest of the 20 and b) pick up the block of tickets for us at the student union.

alternatively, i think if you buy individual tickets, the seats are better. so, in exchange for some fair reimbursement, would someone be willing to camp out for tickets for us? we would be most appreciative!!!

there was a rumor going around that ig was going to come here to the univ. of florida for a *free* concert on earth day, but apparently our student government couldn't come up with the cash. sigh.

thanks... and if you have any additional info about the show, pass it on...

kim
kpaulus@mpinc.com

the epic web site says april 29, and it's called "shaming the sun"

kim
kpaulus@mpinc.com

-----original message-----
from:   john bond [smtp:bonj1_95@worc.ac.uk]
sent:   monday, march 24, 1997 4:14 pm
to:     indigo-girls@netspace.org
subject:        re: map release date?

i haven't seen or heard anything about the ig release date, so i
assume that the march 4th date is wrong (if anybody wants to correct
me, go ahead......),

john.

"oh, these little eartquakes,
here they come again....."

tori amos, little earthquakes

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arrrgh!!!

i have just been informed, contrary to what i was previously told, that
tickets for the april 15 ig show here at psu will not be available over the
phone from the bryce jordan center.  instead they will be available over
the phone from eisenhower box office.  you can still buy tickets at either
location (even though the concert is not being held at either one).  all
tickets are general admission.  you can order by phone starting at 8:30am
tomorrow morning by calling 1-800-arts-tix (i checked this number, it
works).

i apologize for the repeated posts, but the way this entire thing is being
handled is very questionable.

supressing anger directed at my superiors,
mike

hello all,
i've seen talk of an emily article, but i wasn't around for a
week, so could someone please forward it to me? thanks(:

jennie

hey y'all!
i'm rather new at collecting indigo girls tapes (boots) and was wondering if
anyone could help me out with getting the "essentials" referenced in the
list's faq.  ideally, i'd like to trade with one person who has all 4 of
these (and any other good shows).  i can trade phish shows, or some other
various stuff i have laying around (and there's always blanks...).  please
email me directly.  thanks!

take care,
-jeff

hello all ....

to anyone i'm trading with/making arrangements to trade with/set-up a trade
with/or anyone else looking for me ....

i had to go to philly for a few days to help out a friend and was unable to
fufill some of my obligations before i left ... i was away from last tuesday
(3/18) thru yesterday, so i'm trying to catch up on tons of ig e-mail, plus
personal stuff ... please, please bear with me ...

those of you who know me, know that i'm not blowing them off, etc ... but i
will be in contact with everyone in the next couple of days and let you know
where i stand on getting out tapes, etc ... i was unable to complete anything
before i left - i thought i would've, but unfortunately didn't .... so i will
complete my obligations to everyone this week and get my life back on track
...

if anyone has any questions, please e-mail me privately ....

i must get another laptop for situations like these ....

sincerely

chris # ???? the guini-meister .........

does anyone know how far this is from atlanta?  and if it's a reasonable
distance, is anyone from the atlanta area planning to go?  i'm stuck here
at school without a car, and, since i will be back home (ohio) when the ig
are playing here, i would love to see this show if it's possible.  if
anybody has any ideas, etc., let me know.  thanks.

elizabeth

p.s.  sorry for the long .sig file - i haven't figured out how to turn it
off for one message.  :)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~~~~~~~~~~~~
"i've gotta go on
i've gotta be strong
but it's hard to exist."
                        -pink floyd

"i'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints
the sinners are much more fun."
-billy joel

"...and then i felt sad because i realized that once people are broken in
certain ways,
they can't ever be fixed, and this is something nobody ever tells you when
you are
young and it never fails to surprise you as you grow older as you see the
people in
your life break one by one. you wonder when your turn is going to be, or if
it's
already happened." -- douglas coupland, life after god.

"my dog, she
looks at me sometimes
with that look,
and i think maybe
deep down inside
she must know exactly
how i feel. but then
maybe she just wants
the food off my plate."
-diane deaton

"be like the bird that, passing on her flight awhile on boughs too slight,
feels them give way beneath her, and yet sings, knowing that she hath wings."
-victor hugo

for all the dar heads out there, i just got her spring tour list.
if you want to be added to this distribution list,
i think you can send email to dar-williams-announce@pobox.com
and they will add you, but if i'm wrong, don't shoot me!

-- chris

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forwarded message:
> from dar-williams-announce@pobox.com mon mar 24 17:55:47 1997
> message-id: <01bc387c.5cdcb6c0@paoli06-pri.voicenet.com>
> from: dar williams announcements <dar-williams-announce@pobox.com>
> to: "'cmbecker@space.mit.edu'" <cmbecker>
> subject: dar williams spring tour
> date: mon, 24 mar 1997 17:00:56 -0500
> encoding: 105 text
>
> dar williams - spring 1997
> ==========================
> thu, apr 10, 1997 - benefit for westchester coalition for legal abortion
> chappaqua library, chappaqua, ny
> 7:30 pm, tickets $35-50, 914-946-5363. seating limited!
>
> fri, apr 11, 1997 - mccarter theatre, princeton, nj
> 8:00pm, steve forbert opens.
> sold out (or very close to it). 609-683-8000
>
> sat, apr 12, 1997 - julien j studley theatre, new paltz, ny
> 8:30 pm, 914-255-1559
>
> thur, apr 17 - milestones, rochester, ny
> time t.b.a., 716-325-4088
>
> fri, apr 18 -  westminster college
> not open to the public
>
> sat, apr 19 - barking spider, cleveland, oh
> 8:00 pm, 216-421-2863. seating limited! (only 60 capacity).
> first come, first served!
> benefit for cleaveland area environmental organizations.
>
> fri, apr 25 - grinnell college
> not open to the public. peter mulvey opens.
>
> sat, apr 26 - pres house, madison, wi
> 8:00 pm, 608-262-9036. peter mulvey opens.
> benefit for madison area environmental organizations.
>
> sun, apr 27 - csps, cedar rapids, ia
> 7:00 pm, 319-364-1580. peter mulvey opens.
>
> wed, apr 30 - williams college
> not open to the public
>
> sat, may  3 - st. stephen's episcopal church, columbus, oh
> 8:00 pm, 614-431-3600, 614-847-4400
>
> sun, may 4 - bryn mawr college
> not open to the public.
>
> fri,  may 30 - wesleyan university
> not open to the public
>
> sat, may 31 - appalfarm festival, elmer, nj
> 609-358-2472. with richard shindell, john prine, others!
>
> wed, jun 11 -  the wooden dog at trolley square, salt lake city, ut
> 8:00 pm, 801-328-8889. with peter mulvey
>
> thu, jun 12 -  cane's, san diego, ca
> 8:00 pm, 619-220-8497.  with peter mulvey
>
> fri, jun 13 -  live oak music festival, santa barbara, ca
> 6:00 pm, 805-781-3030. with peter mulvey
>
> sat, jun 14 - kate wolf memorial festival
> caswell vineyards, sebastopol, ca. with peter mulvey
> 707-829-7067
>
> tue, jun 17 -  great american music hall, san francisco, ca
> 8:00 p.m., 415-885-0750. with peter mulvey.
>
> sun, jun 22 -  great hudson river revival, valhalla, ny
> 914-454-7673
>
> sat, jul 12 - boulder folk festival, boulder, co
> 8:00 pm, 303-443-5858
>
> sun, jul 13 - westpark events center, boise, id
> 9:30 pm, 208-344-8010
>
> fri, jul 18 - solarfest, middletown springs, vt
> late afternoon, 802-235-2641
>
> fri, jul 25 - falcon ridge folk festival, hillsdale, ny
> evening, 203-364-0366
>
> sat, jul 26-27 - calgary folk festival, calgary, ab
> 403-233-0904
>
> mon, jul 28 - sidetrack cafe, edmonton, ab
> 9:00 pm, 403-421-1326
>
> sat, aug  9 - newport folk festival, newport, ri
> joan baez salute, 401-847-3700
>
> thur, aug 14 - michigan womyn's music festival, walhalla, mi
> afternoon, 616-757-4766 (notice: women only).
>
> ===
>
> new album to be released on razor & tie on july 15.
>
> watch for the fall tour - dar's first tour with a band (richard shindell
> on 2nd guitar, stephanie winters - of the nudes - on cello and a
> percussionist to be named later!). starting 9/19 in boston (sanders
> theatre) , 9/20 northampton - tent. (academy of music), 9/26 philly
> (keswick theatre), 9/27 nyc (town hall), 9/28 dc (birchmere - 2 shows),
> 10/2 ann arbor, mi (the ark - 2 shows), 10/3 chicago (park west), 10/4
> st. paul (st. thomas college), 10/5 menomonie, wi (tainter aud.), 10/7
> lawrence, ks (liberty hall), and on to denver, the west coast, back thru
> texas to the southeast, then home! dates are constantly being added.
>
>

http://www.mit.edu:8001/people/cmbecker/home.html [my homepage]
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> dontcha think they already have enough lame fans? here, i'll do
> an impression:
> *********************
> lame fan: "<squeak> ohmogod it's the indigo girls! you know i can't
> tell which one is which, but i *love* that 'galileo' song..."
>
> lame fan2: "yeah, but did you know they're...<gasp>...*lesbians*?"
>
> lame fan: "oh well, let's go step on those diehard fans so we can get
> to the front...it's not our fault that we couldn't wait in line 12
> hours for the place to open up like they did..."
> **************************

this is really senseless. the same rude impressions could be made of a great
number of people who participate on this list and feel that that somehow makes
them the biggest fan.

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lamefan:  ohmigod!!!!   (pecking away furiously at the keyboard) i've got
          tickets to the auburn show, the austin show, the au show, and the
          northwestern show.  aren't you jealous?!?

lamefan2: nobody understands the girls the way i do!

lamefan: god, look at those losers over there. they can't even tell that
they're lesbians.
---------------------

perhaps you should think back to when you were first introduced to the indigo
girls.  you too were one of those people who sat in the 5th row with your
heart in your throat wondering which of them was amy or emily.  there's no
need to judge others by their reaction to what could very well be their first
show.  would you rather they just stay home?  what good would that do?

-marty

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lead tester                          | "...god devised a might heavy magnet,
elliott portwood productions         |  to draw the world up together, man and
498 second street                    |  wife.  but someone must have slipped you
petaluma, ca  94952                  |  some exemption..."
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hi all-

for all of those in the seattle area who were not lucky enough to win
tickets this weekend to kmtt's private ig party, i just heard that they
will be doing a live broadcast of their short acoustic set on april 3.

i don't have any more information about this but they did announce it on
the air so get your tape decks ready and check the kmtt web page for
details. it's not like being there but i'm glad they're going to share
the music.

take care-
ron . . . the one who is still trying to fix the redial button on his
phone.

yeah. i definitely agree that the power of two is an amazing video.and i also
agree that their videos are very well thought out.all i was saying is i
personally don't think that the ig's have what it takes to become the spice
girls.i mean, i dress way worse than the indigo girls anyday.i could give a
rat's bum about fashion,but you do have to admit that it does have a lot to
do with mainstream culture.i also agree that lame means very different things
to different people.what i meant was,ig fans always seem to be connected
oddly through all their diversity.a lot of people were acting as if they were
worried that the girls might start to attract fans that are into a different
kind of scene(the popular mtv scene).wow!!! i even agree that music can be
interpreted in different ways at different points in your life,or to
different people.the point of this post is basically to say that you have
tried to argue things that i completely agree with.i really think you took my
post the wrong way.the point of that post was to say that the indigo girls
are amazing performers no matter what happens as far as their popularity
goes.there has always been a sort of kinship between all ig fans.i do realize
that there are many types of ig fans.diversity is one of the major beauty's
of us.i believe that all people should be free to hear ig music.the post was
not from my veiwpoint at all...it was about things i have heard people
say.who am i to say anybody else isn't good enough to hear amy and emily?i
think you need to re-read my post,now that i have explained it's point a
little better.it seems like you are trying to argue with me just for the sake
of arguing.if you think about it we have nothing to argue ,(seeing that i
agree with everything you're saying).marty, you really need to chill....it
seems like you are really into the way all things can be interpretes in
different ways.you should look at my post no differently...you have really
missed my point.god, i am the biggest lamer and nerd in the entire world, i
would never ,ever try to say that somebody else was a lame or dumb from the
of my own veiwpoint.i wouldn't call your post an argument at all.if anything
it's an agreement.you really need to veiw my post from the perspective it was
intended.and for god's sake, stop being such a lamer.just kidding.please let
us shake hands and live in harmony.:-)peace.mary.

oh the joy of being a writer...

what should i find on my desk this morning
as a trudge into work?

yes, an advance copy of the new ig album.
needless to say, i took the day off. another
joy of being a writer, i can work at home when
i want.

first, let me say the cover are is cute.  someone
already posted it but it's the little dolls stuck
in a hole in the wall.  what you don't see is on
the back cover.  ig are next to the wall and the
little dolls are next to amy's right ankle.

the song list:

1.  shame on you
2.  get out the map
3.  shed your skin
4.  it's alright
5.  caramia
6.  don't give that girl a gun
7.  leeds
8.  scooter boys
9.  everything in it's own time
10. cut it out
11. burn all the letters
12. hey kind friend

i'm just through my first time listening and copying
down some notes. my initial reaction is, "wow"!!!
how's that for descriptive rock journalism?" ;^)

the songs are amazing and the production is powerful.
for some reason i'm reminded of pink floyd's "the wall"
and the beatles "sgt. peppers lonely hearts club band".

don't ask me why but there are a couple of textures on this
album that remind me of those two albums. someone said it
best by saying it doesn't sound like ig but you know it is.

i too have been familiar with most of the songs from the demo
tour. there is something so intense though with this albums'
production and it's not only the different textures they use.

i think since this is the first epic album they've produced
(with the help of david leonard & peter collins) they were
able to follow their own vision with great success.

besides the banjo and a heavier rock/electric influence there
is a wild use of echo and multi-tracking. the ballads are pure
ig but the rocking tunes have such a force that i've never heard
and they've only hinted at, before.

i can say, without a doubt, that this is their most ambitious
effort yet.  "touch me fall" was only the begining, seven of
the twelve tracks feature electric guitar.  "cara mia" features
both violin and cello.  some of the tracks feature some really
wild harmonies and background vocals.

the press kit, beside the obligatory notes also
includes the lyrics to all the songs. if there's
interest, i'll transcribe the lyrics for the list.

my review is due a week from today so i will be listening to this
constantly for the next seven days. i just wanted to give the
list a quick mini-review upon my initial listen.

they just played "cut it out" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

sounds very cool !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

chris

hey y'all!

i was just surfing the web (you're my next email liz...i love your page!)
and i came across this bit of info from the melissa etheridge page (m.e.i.n.
to be exact)... it seems my telepathic wishes [sans ig... :o( ] are going
to come true! read on:

march 10, 1997

ellen degeneres will get a little help from her out-of-the-closet
friends when her character comes out as a lesbian later this
season. tv guide reports that both melissa and recent k.d.
lang will guest star on the long-awaited, one-hour, very special
"coming-out" episode of the abc sitcom ellen, which is set to
air on april 30. the episode, which was reportedly taped last
friday, calls for etheridge to perform with degeneres the
show's theme song during the opening credits, while lang will
perform in the background during a scene shot at little frida's,
a popular lesbian coffeehouse in los angeles. etheridge and
lang join previously announced guest stars oprah winfrey, who
will play the therapist to whom degeneres's character comes
out, and laura dern, who will play ellen's love interest.
"(we are) thrilled that these well-known and well-respected
stars will help bring ellen morgan's coming out as a lesbian into
america's living rooms," said chastity bono, entertainment
media director for the gay & lesbian alliance against
defamation (glaad). "now, this history-making episode will
bring a lead lesbian character into the increasingly inclusive
american television family." glaad maintains an "ellen
watch" web site at http://www.glaad.org/glaad/ellen/index.html.

have a good one everyone! whoo hoo! melissa is doing the opening! yay!
(now if only ig could take part in this momentous nite!)
joni :o)

shame on you

my friends they wash the windows and they shine in the sun
they tell me wake up early in the morning sometime
see what a beautiful job we done
i say let's put on some tunes sing along dolittle all day
go down to the riverside take off our shoes wash these sins away

the river said la la la shame on you

i go down to chicano city park cause it makes me feel so fine
and when the weeds go down you can see up close
in the dead of winter time
but when the sun comes up everythings in bloom
and you wouldn't know it's there
the white folks like to pretend its not their musics in the air

you can hear them singing la la la shame on you
you can feel them dancing la la la shame on you

my friend tanner she says she know me and jesus
we're of the same heart
the only thing that keeps us distant is that i keep fuckin up
i said come on down to chicano city park wash your blues away
the beautiful ladies walk right by
you know i never know what to say

they'll be singing oo la la shame on you

lets go road block trippin in the middle of the night up in gainesville town
there'll be blue lights flashin down the long dirt road
when they ask me to step out
they say we be looking for illegal immigrants can we check your car
i say you know its funny i think we were on the same boat back in 1694

i said oo la la shame on you

lyrics by amy ray

just found out that 93.1 wxrt in chicago is currently playing soy in their
regular song line-up. when, well, that i do not know.
alycia

-------------------------------------------------
even though i fed my hunger
even though i've named fear
i'll never understand it
how the journey lead me here . . .

- melissa etheridge

in answer to a couple queries...

the lyric is written as "dolittle", one word.

i'm transcribing the lyrics as they are written
in the press kit.

howdy folks,

> with the indigo girls becoming to popular and acquiring "dumb" fans. but even
> if they had said such a thing, my response would be simply, "whose definition
> of 'dumb' are we referring to?" this is a pretty unfair judgement of people
> who are either new to the indigo girls, or to the concept of thought their
> music encompasses.

let me preface the following post with my assurance that unless you
routinely do these things at concerts, this is not about you...

ok, i really hate to have to jump on this, especially since i think the
whole discussion of whether or not it's a good thing if they become
_really_ popular is completely irrelevant. either they will or they
won't. as individual fans we can't have too much of an effect on their
overall popularity. what will be will be. however, i _do_ have to make a
comment on the notion that all ig fans are wonderful, and that there's no
such thing as a 'dumb' fan. this is probably make me real unpopular, but
believe me, there are some really really stupid ig fans out there. for
example: paying $20-30 to spend 3-4 hours standing in an overcrowded,
stiflingly hot venue so that they can talk to their friends while amy and
emily are singing is stupid. (not to mention infuriating for those of us
with brains.) (see reviews for the current tour, and the demo tour.)
another example: loudly complaining to their neighbor during a concert: "i
don't wanna hear this new crap, i wanna hear galileo," is stupid because
a year from now the new songs are gonna be just as familiar as galileo,
and these people are gonna be _kicking_ themselves because they had the
chance to _listen_ to the pre-album versions of their now-favorite songs.
yet another example: screaming out "blood and fire!" or "romeo!" between
or during other songs is (i hate to tell you this) less than completely
brilliant because (news flash) they _won't_ play these songs no matter
how much people scream, because these songs have pretty much been retired,
and the girls have a setlist which they rarely deviate from. it seems to
me that it's insulting to them to advertise the fact that you _don't_
want to hear what they're gonna play for you.

and finally: doing any of the above anywhere near _me_ on friday at
davenport is really stupid because i will become _extremely_ irate, and i
will _frown_ at the offender.

call me nasty, call me grumpy. whatever. but i refuse to admit that
sitting next to a loud, obnoxious, rude, thoughtless creep at an ig
concert is a celebration of diversity.

folkisgruven (when people listen to it),
lorindigo

still driving...
lorinda wright           the trouble in my head is getting closer and closer
washington university     to my legs i've got to walk it out. and the trouble
st. louis, mo             with my heart is that i can't rip it out. and the
                          trouble with myself is that i don't know me.
                                                        -melissa ferrick
                    i will not be complacent

if anyone hasn't read it already, go to the nearest library and look for
"and a voice to sing with" by joan baez....words can't describe...you
must read....

"while you and i have lips and voices which are for kissing and to sing with who cares if some oneeyed son of a bitch invents an intrument to measure spring with?" e.e. cummings "honey, you've got a mother who sings to you....dances on the strings for you." joan baez

hi all.

i need for someone who lives in knoxville, tennessee and who has
excellent quality recordings of the indigo girls first couple of
unreleased albums and tapes to email me immediately if you are
interested in working out a trade.

i won't tell you what i have other than telling you that i will tape it
for you in exchange for any unreleased stuff that is of good quality
that i don't have.

i really can't say what i have to trade you... just take your
chances... but do it before april 29th or it won't be quite as good if
you know what i mean... and i think you do.

respond by email only!

greg@94z.com

hello everyone,

just wanted to inform everyone that my email has now changed to:

tangho@ms.com

take care,
holly

hi, all! =)
      i have taken over duties as a distributor for the issue of "atlanta"
magazine with the amy article.  it's simple.  either send $5, which covers
the magazine plus mailing stuff, or two bootlegs in exchange. =)  sound fair?
to be honest, the $5 might be a little easier for me, but i really never
mind getting new boots! =)  so, there you have it. =)  if you want a copy,
e-mail me and we'll talk details. =)  it would be best to get replies to me
soon so i can run out and get more issues if i need them. =)  hope to hear
from you soon! =)  peace, love, and happiness, sarah

hello there beloved schmoopy schmoops!

well, now that the dust has cleared from that whole priavte-ig-list-show
debacle and such, i thought i'd offer up a little insight on the dolls:

in parts of mexico, esp. in the southern regions (where most of the
indigenous peoples of mexico live), it is traditional to make dolls of those
whom you love. it's kind of the cultural opposite of "voodoo" dolls....the
idea is that if you keep the dolls, in perfect likeness of those you love,
near you in your travels, they (your loved ones) will always be with you. i
got this straight (heh) from the horse's mouth...not the horse actually, but
a woman i work with who is from,,,,yep you guessed it... chiapas! so perhaps
some o that cultural stuff is rubbing off on our gals....or maybe they just
thought the dolls were cute. who knows?

just a thought

be good , little ones!

xoxox, susanna

"cheese is sacred"
- susan marine
***if you're even thinking of making fun of me for being on aol now, i will
come to your house and apply hot wax to your nosehairs and then remove them
with dental floss. so dont!****

get out the map

the saddest sight my eyes can see is that big ball of orange
sinking slyly down the trees
sittin in a broken circle while you rest upon my knee this
perfect moment will soon be leaving me
suzanne calls from boston the coffee's hot the corn is high
and that same sun that warms your heart will suck the good earth dry
with everything it's opposite enough to keep you crying or keep this
old world spinning with a twinkle in its eye

get out the map get out the map and lay your finger anywhere down
we'll leave the figuring to those we pass on our way out of town
don't drink the water there seems to be something ailing everyone
i'm gonna clear my head i'm gonna drink that sun i'm gonna love
you good and strong while our love is good and young

joni left for south africa a few years ago and then beth took a job
all the way over on the west coast
and me i'm still trying to live half a life on the road
seems i'm heavier by the year and heavier by the load
why do we hurtle ourselves through every inch of time and space
i must say around the corner i can sense a resting place
with every lesson learned a line upon your beautiful face
we'll amuse ourselves one days these memories we'll trace

lyrics by emily saliers

hey kids, it's time for our daily little post about amy's birthday!

we are very pleased and excited to tell you that greta recieved over two
hundred dollars in the mail today!  this brings the total up to $539
($478 to hte and $61 to the artpiece), way to go!!!!!!  y'all are
great!  when i first proposed this, i never imagined it would get so
big, this is amazing!!!  the birthday crew would like to send a huge
thank you to molly for her very, very generous contribution, you are too
sweet molly!  if any of you haven't sent in a donation yet and would
like to join in i would be more than happy to give you all the info,
just email me (mandi) at "mandi96@airmail.net".   thanks again to all
who have donated, your kindness will help make this a great present for
amy on her birthday!

love,
the birthday crew
(tony, greta, and mandi)

shed your skin

115 you are 17
itchy trigger venomous
you growing longer
you growing stronger
you shed your skin
now shed this

come on over baby
you tell me its holy holy
i don't know what that is
come on over
lets call it the fullness of time
i don't know what that is
hey holy console me some power control me
remorse it i force it can't free it so be it

i'm speaking in tongues handling you
i got religion religion now look at it
the days grow longer
as we grow stronger
so shed your skin baby
let it rip

now tell me its holy holy
i don't know what that is
i want to call it the fullness of time
but i don't know if it is
hey holy console me some power control me
remorse it i force it can't free it so be it

i got the hangman
i got milagro
i got the celebration too
the flesh is strong
the spirit stronger
so shed your skin baby
let it through

come on over

lyrics by amy ray

ok, so i have to admit that reading the "real" lyrics in comparison with
my interpretation of them at mhc was pretty funny in places!!

anyhow, amy sang this entire verse at mhc but it's not in the lyrics from
the album:

i don't where to find you
but i'm a little too late too soon
now i look in the doubt and fire,
spirits i abused in you
in you

it went right before the "i got the hangman" verse. very interesting...

margaret

am i a bad person?
all this flamage reminds me of the very first date i had with my
soon to be ex-wife.  i took her to see the indigo girls with kristen
hall here at san diego state--rites of passage tour.
so, we got to our seats and were just amazed at kristen hall (we had
never heard of her), and were really loving it.  during the
intermission, another young couple sat in the empty seats next to us.
these people were dressed "to the nines," and my soon-to-be actually
sneezed from the perfume.  anyway, this couple were obviously on their
first date, and they were cuddly talking through the intermission--but
when the girls started playing, they kept right on talking!  first i
made a big show of leaning forward and cupping my ears, but they kept
talking!!!  finally, in the middle of the second song, i turned around
and said "can't you please shut up? some of us are here for the music!"
we enjoyed the rest of the show in blissful (if somewhat shocked!)
silence (and a fantastic show it was by the way--of course!).
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hey all,
i did some calling around today & talked to a nice person at wolf trap who
told me that i should check the washington post for information on april 13
when they release the updated schedule for the summer. she didn't confirm
that the shows were planned-- but didn't sound surprised by my question
either. it sounds like the box office opens that weekend for tickets-- so
i'll be in line saturday the 12th. wolf trap's # is 703-255-1868 & they sell
tickets through pro-tix @ 703-218-6500. they also have a web site @
www.wolf-trap.org. if you haven't been to wolf trap-- it is an experience--
open air, good acoustics & lots of parkland for picnic-ing.
hope this helps your summer concert planning!! i am going to try to go to
both nights! what delicious decadence!
anyone having luck getting au tickets??

goodnight,
alexandra

at 08:49 pm 3/24/97 -0800, mandi wrote:
>we are very pleased and excited to tell you that greta recieved over two
>hundred dollars in the mail today! this brings the total up to $539
>($478 to hte and $61 to the artpiece), way to go!!!!!!

let's go for $1,000! i'm kicking in $20 more :)

c-man

it's alright

it's alright forty days of rain my skin streched out from the
growing pain it'd be nice to have an explanation, but it's alright
and it's alright if you hate that way, hate me cause i'm different,
hate me cause i'm gay
truth of the matter come around one day so it's alright
i look at this lifeline streched way all across my hand i look
at the burned out empty like a plague across the land
and for everything i learn there are two i don't understand
that's why i'm still on a search through the weather strewn church
i'm doing the best that i can and it's alright
and it's alright though we worry and fuss, we can't get over the hump
or get over us
it seems easier to push than to let go and trust but it's alright
when we get a little distance some things get clearer
give em the space our hearts grow nearer
i ran as hard as i could and still ended up here but it's alright
i look at this lifeline streched way all across my hand i look
at the fires of hatred burning up the bounty of this beautiful land
i know i'm small in a way but i know i'm strong
and it's my thirst that brought me to the water when i give it all
up and then she carries me on and it's alright
yeah it's alright

and it alright though i feel afraid my plans in pieces
my plans mislaid
it's the will of the way the will of the way the will of the only
way that could have brought me here today and it's alright

lyrics by emily sailers

i my wonderful sweet darlings...

i was driving back to school from spring break with a friend of mine who
loves ig but is not quite as pathetically addicted to trivia as most of us
here are (lame fans #1-1000, myself included) and she gave me a couple of
hilarious mr. limes from chickenman (hi tony fraps) that i thought you
would enjoy.

instead of "five prairie dogs and a rabbit"
she heard either "five prairie dogs and a raptor" (y'know, one of those
preditor birds...or was that velociraptor like from jurassic park?)
or "five prairie dogs and arachnids" (y'know, spiders! amy was cryin' cuz
she ran over a spider?....)
i was rotflmao!!! (except that i was in the car so that wasn't really
possible....)

happy day, i am going to see ig in 11 days.....

~o~
-=|=-   countdown 11 days to *eugene*
/_\
((     "you're beautiful, i've seen light dancing around you,
         and the clouds move aside so you can look at the moon."
                        --lisa zeiler (rebecca riots)

hello all!

i just wanted to let you know, please don't send me messages at
my old account, it is in the process of being removed.  i would
hate to lose any important messages.  also, could someone send me
the address to subscribe to the ig list from my new account, i
forgot how to it's been so long since i have had to use it.  thanks.

my new address is:

debigogrl@aol.com

take care and peace!

-deb

on mon, 24 mar 1997, marianne barlow wrote:

> instead of "five prairie dogs and a rabbit"
> she heard either "five prairie dogs and a raptor" (y'know, one of those
> preditor birds...or was that velociraptor like from jurassic park?)
> or "five prairie dogs and arachnids" (y'know, spiders! amy was cryin' cuz
> she ran over a spider?....)

i always thought it sounded like "five prairie dogs and a rattler," but i
guess that's not funny, now, is it?

jenn. brown

the main point here, people, is that the girls will be who they
will be, regardless of how we see 'em, how we feel, or what we
want.  new fans will come and go, also regardless of all these
things.  we don't have much power over this.  we can continue to
love their music and their message, and support them with all
our heart.  but, when we have a chance to share our heart with
new fans and help them to understand the deep beauty and
meaning in the ig music, that's when the music continues to
grow and does wonders for everyone.  i stick to my opinion that
it's all about creation of community, and that's what counts the
most.  let's work towards this and stop this futile discussion.
i just feel so fortunate for myself that god has given my the
ears to hear and the heart to feel the music.  i wish this for
everyone, (although i do admit a part of me is afraid of the ig
getting too big, but that's my problem, and i have to deal with
these fears myself and stop blaming others for things that
could be but aren't even reality yet).

hey gang,

i talked to someone at la salle who tells me that the show was moved to
april 18 (originally the 19th) because the girls are playing on snl on
the 19th...  not sure how confirmed that is, but it's the rumor there.
also, some actual _facts_:  tix for la salle will be sold to students
from march 31 'til april 4, presumably an unlimited number per student
but my friend wasn't sure on that.  anyway, just as a public service
announcement, find people to buy tickets for you _now_ 'cause they're
only on sale for a limited time!  (and no, unfortunately i won't be able
to get tix for folks on the list -- i don't know this person too well and
i wouldn't be comfortable asking... sorry...)

later y'all,
debbie

*hee hee* i thought it was "live prarie dogs and a rabbit" for a really long time. thank god for printed lyrics (unlike r.e.m. - grrrrrrrrr)

the one that i remember being so funny was my friend jennifer, who thought, in "love's recovery" that it was "soup-like vultures...leading us away to our distinction..." *lol* (it's "...that swoop like vultures, eating us away...(eating us away)...eating us away to our extinction...")

jennifer w.

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*hee hee* i thought it was "live prarie dogs and a rabbit" for a really long
time. thank god for printed lyrics (unlike r.e.m. - grrrrrrrrr)

the one that i remember being so funny was my friend jennifer, who thought, in
"love's recovery" that it was "soup-like vultures...leading us away to our
distinction..." *lol* (it's "...that swoop like vultures, eating us
away...(eating us away)...eating us away to our extinction...")

jennifer w.

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i don't know who you are or why you are in such a foul mood. i hope it
isn't because someone did something nasty to you, no one deserves that.
but i guess i need to explain why these lame fans are lame.

on mon, 24 mar 1997, marty young wrote:

> > *********************
> > lame fan: "<squeak> ohmogod it's the indigo girls! you know i can't
> > tell which one is which, but i *love* that 'galileo' song..."

maybe i needed to explain that this lame fan came to the show that i stood
in line for all day, during the middle of the fourth song and shoved
his/her way in front of me with elbows and splashed coke all over me and
yacked through all of the new (aka "boring" apparantly) stuff. i thought
it was implied.

> >
> > lame fan2: "yeah, but did you know they're...<gasp>...*lesbians*?"
> >
duh, do i have to explain this?

> > lame fan: "oh well, let's go step on those diehard fans so we can get
> > to the front...it's not our fault that we couldn't wait in line 12
> > hours for the place to open up like they did..."
> > **************************

see, i told you it was implied.

it's not a matter of making fun of new fans. everyone has been a new fan,
but not everyone has to be a rude concertgoer. these people are
lame!!!!!!

i shout it from the rooftops! lllaaaammmmmeeeee!!!!!

i'm sorry, but it's so true.  i was never this rude at any concert.  my
mother taught me better manners than to shove my way in front of people
(remember learning how to stand nicely in line in kindergarten?) and gawk
at other people because they are different from me (or because i am scared
that they might not be different from me, whatever.)  so i stand behind my
original impression 100%, rude or no.  these people are lame.  if you
think that all people are this way when they are new fans, maybe you are
lame too.  i would like to think that you're just having a crappy day and
you're really a nice person.

> heart in your throat wondering which of them was amy or emily.  there's no
> need to judge others by their reaction to what could very well be their first
> show.  would you rather they just stay home?  what good would that do?
>
nope, wasn't me.  maybe you confused me with that idiot who just stepped
on you trying to shove their way in front.

>
> instead of "five prairie dogs and a rabbit"
> she heard either "five prairie dogs and a raptor" (y'know, one of those
> preditor birds...or was that velociraptor like from jurassic park?)
> or "five prairie dogs and arachnids" (y'know, spiders! amy was cryin' cuz
> she ran over a spider?....)
i would have...in fact if i knew how many itsy bitsy spiders n bugs i run
over with my car, i would have a tough time driving...i know eventually
this line of reasoning leads to being unable to do anything at all if
carried out to its extreme, but i'm such a bleeding heart. besides, i
really love spiders! :)
thank you danielle howle for writing a song about my li'l friends! :)

thanks for the cute mr. limes marianne!

on mon, 24 mar 1997, john bond wrote:

> i haven't seen or heard anything about the ig release date, so i
> assume that the march 4th date is wrong (if anybody wants to correct
> me, go ahead......),

it is. none of the record shops i've spoken to have heard of the album.

mat

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adverts and junkmail will be read for 500 pounds sterling per item;
sending such email to me constitutes agreement to pay for the priviledge
of my attention.

well, since i only got back from a 4 day break in belgium yesterday
(i know - makes you sick, doesn't it?), there's a couple of things
i'd like to just say -

1. there are about 200 emails that i've got to read at the moment,
so give me a bit of time to catch up, ok?

2. thanks to everyone for telling me what the sots (not map!!!!!!)
release date currently is. i figure the uk release date will be
sometime after this, and it'll probably be on import (i.e. bloody
expensive......)

3. as i mentioned, it will take a fair bit of time to make it
through all the list mails from the weekend, so gve me a bit of time
(probably a day) before you start privately e-mailing me.

4. while i was in antwerp this weekend, i saw a cafe indigo
: -)))!!!! has anyone else spotted any other buildings, etc...
connected with ig recently?

later,

john.

"oh, these little eartquakes,
here they come again....."

tori amos, little earthquakes

i got tickets!!! i am sorry about the waste of your time but i just had
to share it with someone! who is all going to be there??!?!?
have a great indigoful day!
ang
" i say love will come to you,
hoping just because i spoke the words that they're true.
as if i've offered up a crystal ball to look through
where there's now one, there will be two."
-emily saliers

this has been bugging me for over a year now, and i keep trying to catch
the rerun to figure it out, but it doesn't work, and i thought one of you
might know and be able to enlighten me.  on the show my so-called life,
there are a couple of episodes dealing in part with rayanne graff's (sp?)
drinking, and she gets rushed to the hospital.  somewhere in there angela
and rayanne's moms talk (at rayanne's house/apt i think) and rayanne's
mom says that they're all in the same _______.   i need the word that
goes into that blank, it means basically their lives are wrapped up
together in some way......and later angela's mom uses the word when she
drives rayanne to school.  does anyone know?????  or have that episode?
thanks.  :)

the igc of this message has to do with blue food, because i needed a band
name for my story and that's what i used.  it's only secondary that it's
an ig reference, but i have had a fascination with the concept of blue
food for a long time, way before i knew there was a boot by that name.
it's part of my philosophy of life, and the driving force behind the
first chapter of my autobiography.  basically, it's said that there is no
naturally-occuring blue food (blueberries are a shade of purple and bleu
cheese doesn't count either no matter how much susan and the sbmfc might
lobby for it)........but really you can't know that for sure unless you
know absolutely everything else.  so my life is a quest for blue food...a
reminder that there's always more to see.

and now that i've rambled on, can anyone enlighten me as to what the
indigo girls' connection to blue food is???  i know it's a 1985
independent release--i read the faq--but why did they pick that name?  it
can't be from my autobio because i didn't start working on that until
1994.  <*grin*>

thanks y'all,
audrey

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"oouh la, la, la... bork bork bork! sheme-a oon yuoo"
-- amy ray and the swedish chef

hi all...here is the tour list for shawn colvin ....thought you might find it
interesting...

shawn colvin is currently touring with her band. catch her at the
following venues:

3/25      madison, wi      barrymore theater
3/26      minneapolis      state theater
3/28, 3/29      denver     paramount
3/31     salt lake city    kingsbury hall
4/2      seattle           paramount
4/3      portland, or      roseland
4/5      san francisco, ca the warfield
4/6      san francisco or santa cruz
4/8      santa rosa        luther burbank center
4/9      ventura, ca       ventura theater
4/11     las vegas         the joint @ the hard rock hotel
4/12     san diego         4th & b
4/13     los angeles       wiltern theater
4/15     phoenix           union hall
4/17     dallas, tx        bronco bowl
4/18     austin, tx        the backyard
end of band tour

solo acoustic shows:

5/2      clearwater, fla        tba
5/3      w. palm beach, fla     sun fest
5/4      memphis, tn            beale st. fest
6/14     jacksonville, or       britt pavilion
6/17     saratoga, ca           villa montalvo
6/19-22  telluride, co          telluride festival
6/27     london, uk             shephard's bush empire
6/28     uk                     glastonbury festival
6/29     dublin, ireland        olympia
6/30     glasgow, scotland      the arches

jude :)

wxrt 93.1 played soy at 8:50am tuesday!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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even though i fed my hunger
even though i've named fear
i'll never understand it
how the journey lead me here . . .

- melissa etheridge

if i heard right, the ig will be at the double door tonight in chicago
playing a small concert... calling for details right now!!!!

a week early...but here nonetheless. good to be back...
--s

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                             10-22-502 ikeda-cho
                       nishinomiya-shi, hyogo-ken  662
                                     japan
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                                 sbeth@gol.com
                 http://members.tripod.com/~sbeth/index.html

"hatred nurtured is suicide prolonged."
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am i the only one who wants to scream, "no, it's not 'alright' if you
'hate me 'cause i'm different, hate me 'cause i'm gay!'"? that line really
bothers me. i thought i'd get over it or get used to it, but i still think
that every time i hear it. i know she sort of qualifies the statement by
saying how the truth will come around, but still...
just venting
julie

>>the one that i remember being so funny was my friend jennifer, who thought, in "love's recovery" that it was "soup-like vultures...leading us away to our distinction..." <<

heh. okay, with my goof-ups we could make this into a list oriented weird al song. for ages, i thought it sounded like

"the winds of kosher...swoop like vultures yadda yadda yadda"

combine that with jennifer's little gem and we've got:

"the winds of kosher, soup like vultures, eating us away (eating us away) to our extinction...."

i dunno, but i think we're onto something here. i say we contact the girls about doing a revision.

kidding! ooh. kidding.
i would do the revision.

heh. later y'all. keep those donations coming.
-g

"oh god. serious karma trouble." -a. ray

hahaaaaaaa....ya know, until recently i totally thought that line was
"like prairie dogs and arachnids..." i was sure of it! but, uhhh, then
i read the lyrics and realized i'm retarded.

but something that made me laugh even harded was remembering that my
friend melanie, when she first heard "watershed," thought they said "milk
and corn is gonna..." instead of "milk and honey".....hahaaaaaa......

kinda like in that one sheryl crow song (who i can't stand by the way...)
"if it makes you happy" (or whatever the hell it's called..) where
she goes "put on a poncho, play for mosquitos"...i thought she was saying
"put on a poncho, play for me speedos..." i know it makes absolutely no
sense, but come on, you gotta admit the phonetics are similar here!!!!
hehee...

lesley

i will continue to post the lyrics but i'm
sorry, i'm unable to dub the promo cd.

so, to the 37 people who asked, i just
don't have the time right now.

also, about four people offered to do a tape
tree, i feel funny about doing that.

i hope everyone understands...tt

hi all, it's been a while and i'm a little behind on my reading,

mike wrote:
>i was told someone on the list has a copy -- anyone want to set up a
trade
>--harry -- is it you? anything with dar and the ig makes me shiver at
the
>thought

no, unfortuantely i don't have a copy.  though i would really, really,
really love
one.  if anyone does have a copy i would be willing to trade an ig, a
dar, and a
joan tape for it, or whatever else the person wanted.  this is an
all-out, down on
the knees, no self-control, beg, plead, whimper to anyone who has this
tape.

for anyone interested, this came from the richard thompson mailing list:

subject: live at the iron horse

this cd will be released on friday, march 28. it will be sold a the
iron horse and at the northampton box office. to order a copy by
phone, call the nbo at 413 586 8686 or 800 the tick.

the tracks are as follows:
rt: g2g (wtd version, i believe)
patty larkin: johnny was a pyro
jimmie dale gilmore: another colorado
martin sexton: can't stop thinking about you
john wesley harding: old rock n' roller
mc carpenter: i am a town
fred j. eaglesmith: lucille
maura o'connell: waltzing's for dreamers (who wrote that?)
ellis paul: weightless
tish hinajosa: coazon viajero
salamander crossing: tear my stillhouse down
david mallett: summer of my dreams
susan werner: maybe if i played cole porter

don't bother calling the ticket office ahead of time, they won't be able
to take any orders til the 28th.

oh, and is there a tree being set up for any good tapes from the new
tour?

thanks, as always,
harry a. keates

julie wrote:

> am i the only one who wants to scream, "no, it's not 'alright' if you
> 'hate me 'cause i'm different, hate me 'cause i'm gay!'"?

actually it doesn't bother me at all -- matter of fact i rather like it.

to me the line is about a level of acceptance and transcendence over
the petty and meaningless hatred in the world. it says:

        yeah fine, hate be cause i'm gay -- so what, why the f___ do i
        care what you hate or don't hate?  the rest of the world is
        moving on, i've moved on.  i am who i am, i like it so its
        perfectly alright with me if you hate me -- your hate can not
        hurt me.

there is so much power in being able to say that. in al-anon we call it
"detachment," here its more of an "ownership" issue. no matter what you
call it, it amounts to the same thing -- you hold yourself above the fray
confident in your existence.

so i think its a really great line....

-- chris

http://www.mit.edu:8001/people/cmbecker/home.html [my homepage]
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ok ok .. i have to admit.. now that the thread has come up.. about a year after rop came out, me and my friend linda were driving somewhere singing along to jonas and ezekial.. we got to the refrain, "jonas and ezekial hear me now, steady now .. don't come out.." at least that's what she sang, .. she looked over at me suspiciously and said, "what did you say?" she turned the stereo down and made me repeat what i thought were the lyrics. even funnier because the name of the freakin song was 'jonas and ezekial' and i always wondered why it was called that.. i had been singing over a year.. "show me and i'll seek you ..." it never occured to me that that wasn't the lyrics.. even now, every time that part comes up, i'm singing along unconsciously and each time i remember.. 'oh, it's jonas and ezekial.. those are the words.. not "show me and i'll seek you"'

*grin*

merry tuesday,

raine

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caramia

caramia a blank notebook and a backpocket fade, you used to mock
me sometimes i would cry when i was home later
you hurt my feelings, why why why, send it down in your notebook
my wannabe harriet the spy
and some say your genius is in your madness will you get better
then will you leave us?
how you mixed with the darkness at such a young age until in your
chemistry science and violence turned silence to rage

why are you dreaming this, one shoe off and a bridge to cross over
and where is your taxi fare, are you left by yourself or left by
your lover?
for three nights straight now i dream i keep both of my shoes but
i've forgotten my lines and i've misplaced my cues, and there's
a sea full of faces and a show to go on, and i'm stuck mute at
entrance with nothing to draw from

there were the secrets the big bang and the bigger joke
you seem to know all of them and injustice makes you red with choke
you love like you're desperate you don't know what love is
i thought if there was one thing i could give you one thing i
could give you, maybe it was this
with your head on the bedboard the anguished repeat the sweat of
our sadness the twist of the sheets i don't want what's best for
you, where will i be when you've found it?
i pray a lot about these bad feelings inside but i can't pray
my way through or around it

lyrics by emily sailers

don't give that girl a gun"

she's got a case against me a jury of my peers
the rage of the righteous screaming in her ears
i'm not dignified anymore can't say i didn't call
when i say i love you she don't hear me anymore

don't give that girl a gun

i made a bad connection she says i went astray
jumped ship abandoned my post i didn't think i lost my way
but oh how the mighty fall i saw her crack a smile
i don't got a chance for redemption
she don't believe in the miracle mile

take the first shot baby it'll be real clean
i'm your girl strong and mean
take a second shot baby it'll be real cool
i'm your fool

don't give that girl a gun

i said hold me closer cause something's happening
why can't we come together? she said, "i doubt we ever will again."

don't give that girl a gun.

lyrics by amy ray

i've seen alot of mention of other mailing lists.  i've found some listings
on aol but several i've read about weren't listed so i'm under the impression
there's a longer list out there somewhere.  i just want to know what other
kinds of lists are out there.  so if anyone can help me out i'd greatly
appreciate it.

as for the ig content...
i have an invite to the listening party in san francisco...the girls are
supposed to perform and do a meet and greet thing. should be tons of fun.
don't you just love little brothers! he's the one that got the invite and
is taking me.

thanks all, maria

alycia wrote:
>
> if i heard right, the ig will be at the double door tonight in chicago
> playing a small concert... calling for details right now!!!!
>

i just called the double door and they said that "yes" in fact the ig
were playing their tonight but that it was a private party. they didn't
buy my line about having lost my invitation. :o(

for whoever cares,
scott
--
and gentlemen in england now a-bed shall think themselves accursed they
were not here, and hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks that
fought with us upon saint crispian's day.

julie wrote:
> > am i the only one who wants to scream, "no, it's not 'alright' if you
> > 'hate me 'cause i'm different, hate me 'cause i'm gay!'"?

then chris wrote:
> actually it doesn't bother me at all -- matter of fact i rather like it.
> to me the line is about a level of acceptance and transcendence over
> the petty and meaningless hatred in the world.   it says:
>
>         yeah fine, hate be cause i'm gay -- so what, why the f___ do i
>         care what you hate or don't hate?  the rest of the world is
>         moving on, i've moved on.  i am who i am, i like it so its
>         perfectly alright with me if you hate me -- your hate can not
>         hurt me.

exactly what i was thinking chris.  to me it's similar to what i get out
of amy's "i have no need for anger with intimate strangers."  it's not to
say that ignorance and intolerance are actually ok or that we should do
nothing to combat them.  but to allow yourself to be personally
offended and upset by each individual case you encounter would be far too
draining and gives ignorant/intolerant people a degree of power over you
that they don't deserve.  really, what the hell difference does it make
what some random person thinks of you based on what they think they know
about you?  so to hell with them.  they're not important enough to get
upset over.  in spite of them, it's all good, it's alright.
     that's not to say that we should remain silent in the face of
injustice and ignorance.  but it's also important to recognize when you'd be
doing yourself a favor to just let it go, not let it get to you.  that's my
take on it anyway.

-colleen

on tue, 25 mar 1997, jan hallford wrote:
> the one that i remember being so funny was my friend jennifer,
who thought, in "love's recovery" that it was "soup-like vultures
...leading us away to our distinction..." *lol* (it's "...that
swoop like vultures, eating us away...(eating us away)...eating us
away to our extinction...")

___
wow, i'm so glad you told me that, because to this day i thought it was
soup-like vultures.!! yeah, thank heavens for printed lyrics, but thank
yourself for getting off your lazy butt to read them when you're not sure
you've got the lyrics right!!

:) marianne

~o~
-=|=-   countdown 10 days to *eugene*
/_\
((     "you're beautiful, i've seen light dancing around you,
         and the clouds move aside so you can look at the moon."
                        --lisa zeiler (rebecca riots)

so, i've been flamed for having an opinion, for being thoughtful, for sharing
that opinion...and for "having a crappy day????" this response will be fairly
simple and should respond to those who wrote.

____________(snip from mary teresa combs)__________________
marty, you really need to chill....it
seems like you are really into the way all things can be interpretes in
different ways.you should look at my post no differently...you have really
missed my point.god, i am the biggest lamer and nerd in the entire world, i
would never ,ever try to say that somebody else was a lame or dumb from the
of my own veiwpoint.i wouldn't call your post an argument at all.if anything
it's an agreement.you really need to veiw my post from the perspective it was
intended.and for god's sake, stop being such a lamer.just kidding.
___________________________________________________________

please re-read your post as well.  the message that you were trying to convey
wasn't made as clearly as you might have thought it was.  i've re-read it
several times, and in fact did so before ever sending my first post.  (in fact
my partner read it as well, and had more to say than i did.)  i'm not pointing
a finger and saying that the "lame" comments be re-directed, and i certainly
don't think that we need to compare how much more "lame" a person we might be.

___________(snip from gwendigo)____________________________
i don't know who you are or why you are in such a foul mood. i hope it
isn't because someone did something nasty to you, no one deserves that.
but i guess i need to explain why these lame fans are lame.
___________________________________________________________

gee, i didn't really think it came off as being in a foul mood, and no,
nothing nasty had been done to me.  but your explanation of the "lame"
imitation only proves one thing to me.  it proves that you aren't talking
about lame people, but rather rude concert-goers.  perhaps you should clarify
that.

_________(snip from gwendigo)______________________________
these people are lame. if you
think that all people are this way when they are new fans, maybe you are
lame too. i would like to think that you're just having a crappy day and
you're really a nice person.

> heart in your throat wondering which of them was amy or emily.  there's no
> need to judge others by their reaction to what could very well be their
first
> show.  would you rather they just stay home?  what good would that do?
>
nope, wasn't me.  maybe you confused me with that idiot who just stepped
on you trying to shove their way in front.
___________________________________________________________

one last time. no, i wasn't having a crappy day, and i happen to be a nice
person most of the time, but i don't think this is a real question about nice
or not...

thank you for thinking that i'm "lame" but i never mentioned that all people
are this way when they are new fans. in fact the line that refers to that is
just below that statement by you. i merely said that it could be their first
show.

too many times, i've seen comments made that show the ignorance or lack of
consideration and maturity by some on this list. many times i've been willing
to look the otherway or to just delete something and move on, but this seems
to be an issue that never goes away.

my point is this:  whether we stand in line for 12 hours to by a concert
                    ticket and we pay $50 dollars to see it, or whether we call
                   the day of the show and we only pay $10 to see it, we all
                   have the same rights to be at the show.  at any concert we
                   go to, there will be rude concert-goers.  this is not just
                   limited to the indigo girls.  but rather than making a snap
                   judgement of the rest of us who were not able to stand in
                   line for 12 hours or pay $50 for a ticket or who simply
                   chose not to...remember that we deserve the same
                   consideration as those who did. i've noticed a fair share
                   of the people who spent the money for front row seats or
                   who waited in line for 12 hours for tickets doing the same
                   things you complain of.  it's a concert...it's not the
                   ballet or the opera (which by the way, i've seen the same
                   thing at.)

as for the rest, i think i will bow out gracefully while i am still able to
sit. and once again, i will go on trying to avoid or ignore those comments
that make me wonder if we really understand the lyrics of the indigo girls as
much as we say we do...

"...this is not a fighting song...not a wrong for a wrong..."

--marty

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greetings all!

i have been lurking the list for months now (originally joined to get tour
dates and other vital info), and have followed many discussions with great
interest. i kind of feel like i am taking a risk posting with some of the
flaming that i have witnessed, but what the heck, i need your suggestions!

my very best friend since 6th grade and i (now 32 years old...ugh) are
thinking about getting tattoos to afirm our friendship and mutual love of the
girls. but we are having a hard time coming up with something simple (i am
not wanting to spend hours under the needle if ya know what i mean!) that fits
the bill. any great (or even not so great) suggestions would be greatly
appreciated!

thanks in advance for your input, i gotta get back to work....

pam

can anyone here give me precise directions to the davenport show from st.
louis? i heard it's not even really in davenport, but in illinois, just
across the border. thanks.

___________________________________
david j. arkush
washington university in st. louis
davida@artsci.wustl.edu
http://www.artsci.wustl.edu/~davida

hello goheads,

just heard on the radio this morning that the girls will be playing at
the classic amphitheater in richmond on may 27th, i've already called
ticketmaster and of course they are not aware of this show, however i
did confirm it with the radio station and the tickets will go on sale on
april 18th. since i let everyone know that means ya have to leave me a
couple of tickets near the front, fair enough ??

sharon

>i just called the double door and they said that "yes" in fact the ig
>were playing their tonight but that it was a private party. they didn't
>buy my line about having lost my invitation. :o(

apparently wxrt in chicago is hosting the thing and gave away tickets for
it. i guess all our chicago listees weren't paying attention and didn't win
their friends any tickets!! and here i thought the only thing wrong with
chicago was the bears ;)

deb

that's an interesting thread...which brings me to this question...how
many of you listees actually have ig tats?? i know for a fact da
chickenman does...just wondering how many others out that have them...
i personally do not have any ig tats...don't know if i'd even want
one...that's kind of drastic (but that's just my opinion dearies)...
i do have two tats, one of a fairy with butterfly's wings and one of a
butterfly with someone's *ahem*name*ahem* on it...*sighs* anyway, i'm
rambling...
-sal

>hello goheads,
>
>just heard on the radio this morning that the girls will be playing at
>the classic amphitheater in richmond on may 27th, i've already called
>ticketmaster and of course they are not aware of this show, however i
>did confirm it with the radio station and the tickets will go on sale on
>april 18th. since i let everyone know that means ya have to leave me a
>couple of tickets near the front, fair enough ??
>
what?!?!?! ouch...i get out of school on the 2nd!!!

hmmm...maybe i will have to make the drive up or down (depending on where i
am) anyway!!!!!

ok va/md/nc/dc people, are we going to ever get together? i know that i was
trying to organize something a while ago, but time is getting to be less and
less available....please send ideas, dates, ect...of what people want to do!!!

peace all
tucker

********************************
you have to laugh at yourself
because you'd cry your eyes out
if you didn't
---ig
*******************************

hey, y'all!

chris ii here, with the beloved girl from utah (richelle, from the
bumberboot!). we were there!!!! yes, it's true, 17th row, in the coolest
venue ever! the blue women are in their prime indeed!

amy wore: white jeans, black belt, concert t-shirt from someone, we
were't close enough to see, then this trico red and beige plaid thing.
broke 2 strings.

emily wore: black overalls, black and white striped shirt, kinda like a
rugby, baseball cap with the "s" on it.

both women were indeed fiiinnee!! amy's hair did kinda look more "done"
but it was waayy fabo! loved it! second-best hair ever, i'd say.
emily's was all covered in a hat, but she was still purdy as ever!

they kept fucking up, though. they were so adorable about it! to
paraphrase.

"everything in it's . . . . (giggle) oh, shit. that's about the worst
lead i've ever played."

amy (hysterical laughter). oh, good, cause i played the wrong chord back
there a ways. and i was thinkin, oh, emily's gonna kill me. then i heard
you do that, and i was like thank god!"

"so, can we start that part over?"

"well, can we go back, then, to that part where i screwed up?"

""ok, yeah."

"hey, why don't we just start the whole thing over, cause its so purdy.
should we just start it all over?"

crowd cheers

"k, but i'm gonna pick it up a little."

then later, they're playing shame on you, and emily has the banjo, and
it's totally out of tune.  totally.  so when she starts her part about
half a verse into the song, she gets this funny look on her face and amy
starts kinda smiling, and emily can't play cause the banjo's fucked, so
they stop again.  amy just laughed hard, and emily goes, in this cute
little voice, "oh, those poor indigo girls, they keep fucking up!"  and
amy goes "i'm never going to be able to get through that first part again
without laughing."

cara mia was absolutely and truly the most amazing thing i've ever heard,
i almost cried. weak knees and everything. wow. cut it out was much
much much much much improved, i liked it (sorry, but i hated it before).

and, i'm glad to announce that the missing pieces of chiapas bound have
been discovered. totally amazing! amy added a bridge and a guitar solo
(that emily plays). wow.

k, so, like, it's after the show, and we go up to the front to get a pic,
cause we're kinda obsessive like that, and, well, ms. hotty guitar tech
points at my girlfriend, *my girlfriend* and says, "you!" so, yes it's
true, ladies and gentlemen, we have the setlist in our hot litle hands,
with the beloved goddess emily's handwriting and the beloved goddess amy's
bootprint! damn, we're cool!

so here's the list:

the wood song
three hits
cara mia
shed your skin (kick ass!)
everything in its own time
least complicated
scooter boys
get out the map
chiapas bound
galileo
kid fears
it's alright
shame on you
ghost (insert crying girlfriend)
cut it out
closer to fine

encore:
chickenman, with short soc
thin line
love's recovery, with david wilcox, holy cow! what an amazing thing!

all in all, great great show! the girls at their best, the crowd at its
best, security was good, got the setlist, yah!

oh, the tshirts! they're kinda strange, but wicked cool!

love to you all,
chris ii and richelle from utah!

>apparently wxrt in chicago is hosting the thing and gave away tickets for
>it. i guess all our chicago listees weren't paying attention and didn't win
>their friends any tickets!! and here i thought the only thing wrong with
>chicago was the bears ;)

well whoever got their hopes up for this can just dash em now.  i just got
through obsessively driving all over town trying to get info about this
"private" showing.  been to the venue and the radio station headquarters.
all tix were given away and i was literally told by the lady over there--no
way will you be able to get in.  bitch!  ;-)  joke--i'm a tad frustrated
here.  this was waaaay hush hush.  what's the deal there?  i have been
listening to wxrt all week long trying to hear soy and no word of a ticket
giveaway so you cheeseheads can quit that moanin ;-).  you got your packers
now just hush up.  ;-)

greg , wonderin why places like tulsa ok, elmira ny, and south hadley ma
get announced concerts but chicago gets a private show in a place that
holds 200 people.  there are plenty of lovely universities here to play
at!!!!!  yes i am officially whining  :(  and yes the left coasters who
have nothing at all want to smack me now  *duck*

new dates from sony:

5/27/97         virginia state fair, classic amph       richmond va
(previously mentioned by sharon)
5/28/97         wolf trap                                           vienna, va
5/29/97         wolf trap                                            vienna, va
5/30/97         mann music center stadium              philadelphia, pa
6/5/97           garden state arts center                  holmdel, nj

deb

hey all... sorry about the use o' bandwidth... just needed to post + say if'n i owe anyone private e-mail ( kim in nv, trace... anna... ) i'm locked out of my acct till thursday... so i apologize now for any bounced back messages anyone may get from my full mailbox... arrrrggghhh!!!
this post is being made on my gf's too cool new acer... but please don't nobody reply to me here:-) her box gets way full, way fast...
hope i'm not missing anything noteworthy... sigh
peace all, kim ( goddess of fund challenged peoples everywhere )

yay! a thread i can talk about. thanks for draggin me out of lurking,
salray. = )

i have a celestial sun on my stomach. kind of low...near my...umm...right
leg, i guess.

boy wasn't that anti-climatic. i thought i would have something good to
say! i wouldn't get an ig tattoo, because they don't have a certain
"symbol" that represents them. i was thinking of getting a mle tattoo,
because she blends her initials with a woman symbol. = )

-liz- back to her corner...

dat gum! you kids just stop it! i'm getting bummed out just listening to
all of this bickering.

i'll try to get over it. off to play soccer...

stacy.

???????????????????????????????????????????
"were you able to wake up tomorrow in the
body of someone else, would you do so?
whom would you pick?"
#121 the book of questions
???????????????????????????????????????????

greg flamer wrote:
> what's the deal there?  i have been
> listening to wxrt all week long trying to hear soy and no word of a ticket
> giveaway so you cheeseheads can quit that moanin ;-).  you got your packers
> now just hush up.  ;-)

all of us "upper midwesterners" suffer the plight of the ig not playing
in chicago.  usually it's comforting that we can drive just four hours
to the good shows (2 harry connick shows last year!), and i honestly
thought that they'd play at one of the chicagoland colleges.  but so far
... nothing.  i feel your pain, brother.

scott

p.s. but how'd you know i was a packer fan?

--
and gentlemen in england now a-bed shall think themselves accursed they
were not here, and hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks that
fought with us upon saint crispian's day.

i'm not sure if this will get through, or if i am accessing the correct
location, but my message to the indigo girls is this:  please don't ever stop
making your music.  it has supported me through some very tough times in my
life,  and suffice it to say that without it, things would have been a good
deal darker for me.  my husband kids me that i am going to decode my "1200
curfews" disc by playing it too much!

thanks for writing intelligent lyrics for those of us who like to understand
the music we listen to.

sincerely,

vicki winch
winterport, maine

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san francisco's kfog (104.5-fm and 97.7-fm) just announced today:

kfog will be having a private album showcase for the ig's new release
"shaming of the sun" on 4/1 for 75 *registered* fogheads and their
guests (total of only 150 people!). this showcase will also include
a set by the igs themselves!

to enter, do the following:

* you must be a registered foghead.  to register, call 808-kfog
  and follow the voice prompts.  you can also register through
  the kfog website at:

http://www.kfog.com/

* then, fax your name, address, day and evening phone numbers to
1-800-fax-kfog (1-800-329-5364) by 2 pm this friday 3/28.

* only 1 entry per household!

john miller
san jose ca

actually....it would be:

"the winds of kosher, soup-like vultures, leading us away to our distinction."...which, sadly, makes even less sense.

and!!!!! i forgot my favorite!!! my 11 year old sister was walking around the other day, singing:

"secure yourself to heaven, for untied the knot has come..."

i literally fell down laughing....and then realized how easily it could make sense. = )

jennifer w.

could you all, pretty please, take this to private mail? it's cluttering
my box, getting personal and petty, and i'm finding the whole thing more
than a little bit lame. ;-)

we now return you to your regularly scheduled indigo girl related
silliness coupled with the occasional sliver of information...

thanks,
bill

oh my gawd!!!  i can't believe how great the ann arbor,mi show was
last night!!!! i got tickets at the last minute thanks to karra, a
very sweet person on this list that went out of her way to get them
for me...and stand in the cold to deliver them...i cant thank her
enough!!..coincidentally was sitting next to rob, another list member,
he got the light crew to give him the set list!   way to go rob!!
well..about the show...the girls played a great set list...they
opened with the wood song, also did three hits, galieo, ctf love's
recovery, chickenman (with a new verse), kid fears, and to my
surprise, they played thin line from 1200!!!...and of course their
new stuff!!  soy rocked!! amy kept breaking strings, she was playing
with so much intensity..it was awesome!!...and emily's banjo was out
of tune a few times...they joked about it and we all laughed...amy
said "well, we just keep fucking up!"....emily said we should all get
$5 back because they had to start a couple of songs over.,..the crowd
just kept yelling "we love you",...the crowd was great!!  amy said
"this show is worse than that one in boston 3 years ago!" they were
so candid and at ease with us...emily said "well at least we're
having fun!!" and we let them know we were!!!... they mentioned how
at the holyoke show that they made the poor audience sit through the
entire new cd first, and said "we will never do that again!!"  then
everyone yelled how we love their new songs, emily said "that's why
we love you guys...you want to listen to our new stuff"...the crowd
went wild!!!!!...the best part of this show though,,,was standing in
the alley behind the theater for an hour after the show, in the snow
and cold to meet them....we kept bugging everyone who came out the
door, to tell e & a that we there.......they finally came out after
midnight, ....signed my ig sweatshirt, and ticket stub...emily
actually gave out a few hugs!!! they were sooooo nice.....signed for
everyone there!!!  to finally meet them....man!!!  i am never gonna
come down off this cloud i am on!!! i was so nervous...the most
memorable part was when i dropped the so bumper sticker that emily
just signed for me onto the wet ground at emily's feet....i said "oh
god...i don't believe it",,,emily said to me "don't worry...it will
dry..." and smiled at me....what sticks in my mind was seeing emily's
untied tennis shoes as i bent down to pick it up....kinda weird
because i leave my shoes untied all the time too.....i know, what a
strange thing to remember about meeting emily, and who besides me
cares.....
just thought i would share this with ya.............

forever indigo,
cathy

"...if i have a care in the world, i have a gift to bring..." e.
saliers

frustrated greg flamer writes:

greg , wonderin why places like tulsa ok, elmira ny, and south hadley ma get announced concerts but chicago gets a private show in a place that holds 200 people. there are plenty of lovely universities here to play at!!!!! yes i am officially whining :( and yes the left coasters who have nothing at all want to smack me now *duck*

and...my question is: why didn't the girls play tulsa sooner??? it's not as if there is a newly acquired fan base here. there've been many of us who loved them here for years. by the way, greg, we aren't a bunch of hayseeds with three teeth, total, running around barefoot with our jugs of moonshine...*laugh* just kidding. we have universities in oklahoma, too. i just have to thank my lucky stars that em & amy have decided to come here. = )

jennifer w.
proud tulsan with all her own teeth...

hey!
my new tat isn't exactly an ig tat, but i did get it in the same place as
amy's!
it is a turtle (like the one in the "honor" cd booklet) with a rainbow
bursting from a peace sign inside it (my own design, and very kewl, if i must
say so myself!).

whirled peas!
~~robin

if anyone has the "life-cycle of mailing lists" could you send a copy my
way? i seem to have gotten delete happy recently...

tracy

tracy
self-proclaimed sergeant at arms and charter member of the yknib ssim fan
club

"dance the edge of sanity i've never been this clooosssse..."
-- emily saliers, "ghost"

~^~^~ now with a web page i am only slightly afraid of sharing...
http://www.geocities.com/westhollywood/5195/

wow...i really have way too much to do today to be spending this much time on e-mail, but oh, well...*g*

okay...if i were going to get an ig tattoo, it would be something simple, like a+e=ig.

the question: several years ago (can't remember...i'm old), saw ig in concert at the starplex in dallas. i cannot remember the name of the guy who opened for them, and it's driving me batty. he had a song with the line: "when someone you love dicks you around...doesn't that really suck?" he was great, and i can't remember his name. help me, someone, please!!!!! = ) i know there will be some listee with a mind like a steel trap who will remember.

the last thing i'll say: if you can't say something nice....don't say anything. or tell it to the wall...or the cat...or even the screen. think about how you'd like to hear it. if people would do this, there would be far fewer hurt feelings. *sigh* but i guess that's a little utopian, huh? if everyone was considerate of others, it would be a perfect world, and we wouldn't want that...*laugh* okay...sorry to preach. it's in my blood. = )

jennifer w.

at 01:21 pm 3/25/97 -0600, you wrote:
>that's an interesting thread...which brings me to this question...how
>many of you listees actually have ig tats?? i know for a fact da
>chickenman does...just wondering how many others out that have them...

ah yes, corinne happens to have an ig tattoo. it is two female symbols
linked together, and the words "three hits." it's cool!! i got it a year
ago in seattle.

corinne... in new york!!

at 3:09 pm 3/25/97, jan hallford wrote:

>the question:  several years ago (can't remember...i'm old), saw ig in
>concert at the starplex in dallas.  i cannot remember the name of the guy
>who opened for them, and it's driving me batty.  he had a song with the
>line:  "when someone you love dicks you around...doesn't that really
>suck?"  he was great, and i can't remember his name.  help me, someone,
>please!!!!!  = )  i know there will be some listee with a mind like a
>steel trap who will remember.

ooooo! oooooo! i know! i know!

(first let me say this...suzita? did i not say less than 24 hours ago that
i can't remember what i had for breakfast yesterday, but ask me "hey, who
sang that song a couple of years ago that has the line 'blah blah blah' and
i could spit it out immediately? well, here i go..... ;o)

that line is from "the mango song" by our beloved david wilcox. the line
actually is:

"when you love somebody, and they dick you around...doesn't that really suck!"

thank you, thank you. i have crs, but not for useless trivia. rosie and i
are soul sisters on this one.....

have a good one!

joni :o)

okay *laughs* all those that have tats on their left forearm, are
eligible for membership in t.a.t.s. (the amy tattoo society)....
ummm....that's just a joke folks..laugh but don't respond...
i was just making a comment because someone sent me an e-mail about
their cool tat that's on their left forearm, also where my tribal
butterfly is...

hey everybody-

first of all a huge thank you to karra who got me my tickets and stood in
the cold waiting for me to show up from cleveland. you're the best!!!
also, a hi to listees cathy and sally who sat next to us!

the show was unbelieveable.  absolutely excellent and the crowd was really
polite during the new songs and you could tell that a&e were glad.  one time
between songs i yelled ou that i loved the new ones and the both said thanks
and e said "that's why we love you guys"  the set list was great here it is:

1. wood song
2. 3 hits
3. cara mia
4. shed your skin
5. everything in its own time
6. least complicated
7. scooter boys
8. get out the map
9. chiapas bound
10. galileo
11. kid fears
12. it's alright
13. shame on you
14. ghost
15. cut it out
16. closer to fine

1. chickenman
2. thin line
3. love's recovery w/david wilcox

this show was great.  a&e were very talkative and funny despite having a lot
of problems. "were having a rough night" said a at one point, "but it's a
fun night"  a broke 2 strings and they had to stop two songs:  "shame on
you" because the banjo was out of tune and e really joked about that. she
started playing the theme from deliverence and then a started singing and
playing the first verse of "brown eyed girl" then e started playing
deliverence over it. it was hilarious!  a said she couldn't start the verse
without breaking up.  they also started "everything in its own time" over
after e joked that it was "thhe worst lead she ever played"  overall it was
very lighthearted and very funny.

"shed your skin" and "scooter boys" rock. can't wait for sots. i really
like cara mia even more now that a has added her parts to it. a sang part
on "moonshine man" during chickenman...i've never heard that before.

i guess the highlight of the night though was i waited in the snow and
freezing cold (without a coat :)) with sally and kathy for the girls to come
out the backstage door.  when they finally did they were very nice and
signed everyone's stuff including my set list.  i told e that i loved "cara
mia" & she said thanks then i told a that i love "chiapas bound"  and she
said "thanks, i'm still working on that one though" which is probably why
it's not on the new one. sully was also real nice cause she gave ou a bunch
of picks including one to me :).

overall it was a great night.this was my seventh show but first tome meeting
a&e. it was awesome, even though i was freezing. once again, thanks karra!!

p.s. i wish i would have booted the show cause i was dead center and the
crowd was really quiet during the new songs. if someone out ther on cyber
land did boot it though, let me know!!

bye! ~rob

on tue, 25 mar 1997, joan m. cyr wrote:

> that line is from "the mango song" by our beloved david wilcox. the line
> actually is: "when you love somebody, and they dick you around...
doesn't that really suck!"

damn! from that subject line i thought joni was finally gonna admit what
all those tatoos on her chest _really_ mean (specially the "i [heart]
bubbles" one....) if y'all wanna know, you're gonna have to mail her
privately...

k8                          o
                        #==[o)
                           <<

i will unfortunately not be able to go to the april 12 unh show, for the
fortunate reason that i am in the spring dance concert.  i need to sell my
ticket (it was $27 with ticketmaster charges) and will do so on a first to
email me basis.  it is in sec.105, and there are lots of groovy listpeople
with seats there as well.  the view should be great, even though it isn't
on the floor. email me privately if you are interested.

thanks,
jennie

in a message dated 97-03-25 13:31:28 est, cec8@cornell.edu (colleen caffrey)
writes:

<< julie wrote:
> > am i the only one who wants to scream, "no, it's not 'alright' if you
> > 'hate me 'cause i'm different, hate me 'cause i'm gay!'"?

exactly what i was thinking chris.  to me it's similar to what i get out
of amy's "i have no need for anger with intimate strangers."  it's not to
say that ignorance and intolerance are actually ok or that we should do
nothing to combat them.  but to allow yourself to be personally
offended and upset by each individual case you encounter would be far too
draining and gives ignorant/intolerant people a degree of power over you
that they don't deserve.  really, what the hell difference does it make
what some random person thinks of you based on what they think they know
about you?  so to hell with them.  they're not important enough to get
upset over.  in spite of them, it's all good, it's alright.
      that's not to say that we should remain silent in the face of
injustice and ignorance.  but it's also important to recognize when you'd be
doing yourself a favor to just let it go, not let it get to you.  that's my
take on it anyway.

-colleen >>

i agree. there is something empowering about knowing that someone hates you
and then making a consious decision to not let them affect your life.

west of bishes
shana (jak)

i also agree with chris, colleen, and shana (jak) :)
when i first came out to people, i got a few snide remarks that in the
beginning bugged me and caused me to be very angry with those people for
not accepting me, but then i realized that it doesn't really matter what
anyone else thinks, it's how you feel in your heart...screw what
everyone else thinks...it's your life :)
my .02
-sal

does a "bread and roses" boot even exsist. it seems like every day
someone is on their knees begging for one(including me).
ben

everyone's been posting about how great last night's show at ann arbor was.
please tell me someone got a bootleg. let me know if you're out there with
or know where i can get one...
thanks,shiri

hi! i have at least 2, possibly 4 tickets for the unh show that i need to
sell. they are row o, section 117.
the show is on saturday, april 12.
thanks.
--jamie

hi everybody!
it has been a long time since i have posted and i truly miss y'all!
one week ago today, i went to the ig show at elmira college.  it
was a great time!  since the girls are not playing in colorado any
time soon, my good friends in ithaca invited me to come out and
see the show with them (hi elise, sofika and jaime).  it was a
really fun show and we got front row seats to boot!!!  it was a really
small venue.  only 1200 people.  it was very intimate and lots of
great energy from all the folks there...

ferron opened and did a great set.  the crowd was really good
for her.  everyone sang along, clapped and had a good time.  i've
never seen her smile so much :)  she did a song (i forget the name,
sorry) where she had the audience clap on que.  she would raise
her guitar and everyone would clap to the beat.  her band included
shelley jennings and jami sieber.  both very talented!  fun show.

ok, on to the indigo girls!  amy was wearing a jacket with a t-shirt
underneath.  i couldn't quite make out the shirt, but it wasn't her cool
needle exchange shirt.  emily was wearing a plad flannel orange shirt
and dark jeans.   when they came on stage, everyone stood up and
started dancing right from the start.  emily said "i see you're not
using your seats, that's a good thing!  sing, dance, have fun, and
make fools out of yourself".  with the help of elise and sofika, we
were able to piece together the setlist.  it took a couple of interesting
twists and definitely deviated from what they had originally planned.

they opened with "shame on you".
emily was on the banjo and amy on the guitar.  about half the way
through, amy's guitar just quit!  no sound...  she kept singing and
took off her guitar and held it out to sully.  then she abruptly ended
shame on you and said "lets play something else!"  emily said
something like "did you see that, her guitar just quit, it's never done
that before!"

amy was noticeably pissed, which just seemed to make her play
better! they got new guitars and went on and played least
complicated while sully fixed the bad guitar.

amy said "let's do wild horses!" and picked up her mandolin.  emily
decided to play the piano instead of waiting for a guitar.  they
discussed the key for a bit and off they went.  a new piano version of
wild horses.  was this a first or what?  it is so fun when they
experiment live.  with no guitars they still pulled it off :)

amy then played an intense version of land of canaan which wasn't
on their original set list either. i think that amy needed to vent and
that was the perfect song for it!

things got back to normal for a bit and they continued with:
hand me downs
cara mia - what a beautiful song!
don't give that girl a gun - with an incredible new verse
get out the map - emily on banjo of course
jonas and ezekial - we were all hoping for that!
ghost
shed your skin
it's alright
chiapas bound
galileo
scooter boys
everything in it's own time
prince of darkness

shame on you - again! this time amy held out the guitar and said "this
is the culprit and if it gives me a hard time again, i am going to throw it"

then emily countered with "no you would never do that, but you could
dive into the crowd and then all hell would break loose"  amy agreed "no
this is my baby!" the guitar worked perfectly this time.  emily played
banjo for the first half of the song and the transitioned to guitar for the
second half.  pretty wild!

they left the stage with lots of cheering!!!! then came back to play the
following encores:
leeds
won't take long - with farron and band.
closer to fine - with farron again to end the show!

amy has also taken up the 12 string guitar since i saw her last. she
does quit well on it too!

hope you enjoyed the review!
it was a great time and a great show :)
take care y'all,
- - howdy...

on tue, 25 mar 1997 tenacioustaurean@worldnet.att.net wrote:

> don't give that girl a gun"
>
[munch]
>
> don't give that girl a gun

did anyone else notive that the "'cuz she's already won/one/1" line isn't
written down here?  we asked russell carter about this line--won or
one?--at the mount holyoke show, and he said he asked amy that too.  she
had it "one way" and hadn't thought of it "the other way" and then decided
that she liked the ambiguity.  he said he thought that she had decided to
print it both ways in the official lyrics.  guess she didn't.  ;)

margaret

karass, we're all in the same karass.  it is mentioned in a kurt vonegut
book called the cat's cradle all about a religion on an island.  the
religion is called bokonon.  karass is a group of people that are chosen to
be together before birth, and have a destiny to follow through with during
one's lifetime.
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"don't critisize what you can't understand."  b.dylan
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                                                 -kate

margaret wrote:
>did anyone else notive that the "'cuz she's already won/one/1" line isn't
>written down here? we asked russell carter about this line--won or
>one?--at the mount holyoke show, and he said he asked amy that too. she
>had it "one way" and hadn't thought of it "the other way" and then decided
>that she liked the ambiguity.

i noticed it was missing too and wondered why it wasn't included. that amy,
always so deep. then again, now we have more debate material: which way was
the "one way" and which way was "the other way". (just kidding, let's not
and say we did)

another thing i noticed is that the ending of the bridge is "i'm your
fool". in transcribing that section from the hte show, i had it as "i'm
your foe". i'm curious to hear the album version because it sure as heck
sounds like she sings "foe". i've never heard an "l" sound at the end. did
she change that too? actually i think i like "foe" better. sort of adds to
the bitterness of the song.

deb

on tue, 25 mar 1997, chris talbot wrote:

> chickenman, with short soc

was this the "moonshine man" soc? she did that at mount holyoke. anyone
know what it is?

margaret

at 06:46 pm 3/25/97 -0500, hlbarlow wrote:

>then emily countered with "no you would never do that, but you could
>dive into the crowd and then all hell would break loose"

okay y'all, ready to catch amy??? but do you think *anyone* will give her
up? :o
danger, danger, danger!.... ;)

wise, dirty, and beautiful

i called and they sid that they were going to play it sometime between
now (4pm) and around 6pm. happy listening!!

jess

okay okay  i just got done reading about the lame fans, or the argument
between two listees or whatever that was, it was reeeeeaaaaally long!!  i
thought that we werent gonna do this anymore guys & girls. i get so much mail
in this box it is unreal. i really don't have time to be reading all the "
flamage" . if you have something to say to someone on the list, then please
send them a private e-mail, and spare the rest of us.this list is supposed to
be for and about the indigo girls, and things that have to do with them, but
somehow we keep forgetting that!! although it is somewhat amusing sometimes,
my mailbox would be less full if i didn't have to read all the "junk mail"
  thanks   -kim

on tue, 25 mar 1997, kim lamonda wrote:

> okay okay  i just got done reading about the lame fans, or the argument
> between two listees or whatever that was, it was reeeeeaaaaally long!!  i
> thought that we werent gonna do this anymore guys & girls. i get so much mail
> in this box it is unreal. i really don't have time to be reading all the "
> flamage" . if you have something to say to someone on the list, then please
> send them a private e-mail, and spare the rest of us.this list is supposed to
> be for and about the indigo girls, and things that have to do with them, but
> somehow we keep forgetting that!! although it is somewhat amusing sometimes,
> my mailbox would be less full if i didn't have to read all the "junk mail"
>   thanks   -kim

yeah...what she said!!
sharoane

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if at first you don't fricassee, fry fry a hen
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okay, i like this thread. it gives me a chance to tell everyone how _deaf_ my boyfriend is (he swears he's not). in ptntf there's a line that says,
"you'd help me more by not giving in." i think that's it. it's not in the lyric sheet. at any rate, my guess is a lot closer than his:

"you held the door by knocking it in."

he admits this makes no sense but we fought forever before he'd relent. anyone know what the line is for sure? i didn't check the faq, but i'd never noticed it there before anyway.

joanne

hey everybody,

it seems i have to sign off the list because i cannot keep up with all the
mail. i have been unable to figure out how to get the list in digest form.
if somebody could help me out with this i would love to sign back on...

thanks
mindala

i just found out that i can get away next friday to see the ig's in
eugene, oregon. i realize that i'm dreaming if i think i can get 2
tickets but if anyone has 1 or 2 tickets to this show that they can let
go of, i would be eternally grateful. they don't need to be good. they
don't even need to be together.

i just get the strange feeling this is the last time they'll play any
venues this small on the west coast again.

thanks-
ron

     ahh, a subject i love almost as much as the indigo girls.  i have a tatoo on the
back of my left shoulder.  it is a native american medicine wheel of my own design.
day on one half and night on the other with the sun, moon, a water fall, mountains, green hills, a lake, a feather and a peace pipe hanging off.
       my next tatoo will be a musical score with blood seeping from it.  i won't explain why.
as far as an ig tatoo i would have to take a few years to think it over but it's definately
possible.  i really love the art work on nomads-indians-saints.  but i think any one
symbol that could represent them may be a globe of some sorts.  with bright blues and
greens to show the possibility of healing the earth.  or a guitar some how made up of
the letters ig.  better yet that guitar over lapping a globe.
       please forgive my ramblings but this list is the only place i can discuss subjects
of this nature with out being looked at like i have three heads.

fellow listee,
heather
"pardon me but you have a multi legged creature on you shoulder." -spock

hey everyone. geez, i thought that with a group from atlanta that there would
be no problem finding shows in sc, nc, or ga, but i'm stuck hearing about all
these wonderful shows in cold places, and the closest concert i've heard of is
a rumored, unconfirmed concert at duke. anyone have good news for me? any
others within these states? even rumors?

chris, wishing he went to a small, expensive
snow-bound school. :)

just came across this article - check out the part about the lilith fair
tour...seems the girls are joining that after their "official" tour is done!

maureen

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by larry flick

billboard

new york _ despite a career filled with frequent musical experimentation and
a growing legion of fans, indigo girls have endured a widespread industry
perception as an interminably earnest folk duo with a limited, cult-like
following.

there is a strong potential for that to change when the radically eclectic
''shaming of the sun,'' the duo's sixth epic album, hits retail april 29.

helmed by partners amy ray and emily saliers, with co-production by david
leonard and several tracks overseen by peter collins, the meticulously
crafted collection offers a potpourri of sounds that range from edgy hip-hop
drum loops to flashy guitar-hero riffing. it's a natural progression from
1994's platinum-selling ''swamp ophelia,'' which dabbled in grunge aggression
and tribal percussion. and while the act's signature lyrical explorations of
love and inner turmoil remain intact, there is an equal dose of biting and
empathetic political commentary.

with this record, there is no longer the image of two girls strumming
guitars,'' says heidi brown lewis, associate director of product marketing at
epic. ''top 40 radio is a major goal for us with this record, which we think
makes absolute sense. if you go to an indigo girls show, you will see people
in the audience who clearly listen to top 40 radio. it's a matter of having
the right single to work to that format.''

lewis views ''shame on you'' as the ''right'' single. fronted by ray, the
track has the same friendly brand of toe-tapping guitar pop that has resulted
in major hits for melissa etheridge and hootie & the blowfish.

although the duo says a radio hit would be ''real nice,'' it's not a primary
concern of theirs. ''i don't think that either emily or i have ever
approached a song with radio in mind, so we don't spend a lot of time
worrying about it,'' says ray. ''it's great that the label is so excited
about this record in terms of radio, but i don't think it's a good idea for
us to get too caught up in that. if it happens this time, we'll be grateful.
but we're more focused on getting the songs together for the road.''

as with past indigo girls sets, touring is key to marketing ''shaming of the
sun.'' on march 12, the act launched a seven-week acoustic college tour in
south hadley, mass. ''it's a gift to have them on the road for nearly two
months before the album is even in stores,'' says lewis, who adds that each
show will be punctuated by local newspaper ads for an 800 phone line with a
two-minute message offering tour info and music samples from the set.

between the college dates, epic will host pre-release listening parties in 11
markets, which are designed to acquaint local label sales staff _ as well as
radio and retail _ with the project. after each presentation, the venue will
be open to fans, for whom ray and saliers will perform roughly four songs. so
far, these events have drawn requests from kfog san francisco and whfs
washington, d.c., for on-air broadcast.

a major stateside tour with a full band begins may 23, running through the
end of august. at that point, the act will join sarah mclachlan's lilith fair
tour, which will hit a handful of u.s. and canadian markets.

''if there's anything that weighs on my mind regarding all of this touring,
it's whether or not i'll be able to play the new songs in time,'' says
saliers with a laugh. ''we're still learning all of the various parts with
the band, and it's a little tricky and totally nerve-racking.''

ray and saliers will close their road jaunt with a brief high school tour in
the fall. the dates are loosely tied to the ''write lyrics'' contest, in
which ray and saliers are engaged with scholastic inc. in april, they will
choose the most creative lyrics from the contest's thousands of entries,
written by junior high and high school students across the u.s. the act will
travel to the grand-prize winner's school to perform a live concert.

saliers and ray recorded an interview during which they selected six songs
from their catalog and described how each was written. the interview is being
circulated with the current edition of scholastic magazine.

''we simply couslower, process than we'd experienced before.''

part of the process included what ray playfully describes as the duo
''running amok'' with thickly layered sounds and a spree of instruments that
ranges from mandolins and banjos to samplers and synthesizers.

''it was fantastic and exciting,'' she says of songs like saliers' sprawling
and orchestral ''caramia,'' and her own ''shed your skin,'' which rolls from
a jittery jeep beat into muddy blues bassline with a mass of colliding
electric guitars. ''but by the end of it all, i found myself thinking that
i'd like the next album to be real simple.''

for saliers, the challenge of ''shaming of the sun'' was connecting with her
aggressive side. ''in my dream life, i have a darker side that, i think, was
dying to come out and play,'' she says with a shy giggle. she accomplished
her task several times on this album, most notably with ''leeds,'' a jarring
piano ballad that contrasts the oblivious and overfed against the people
dying in the street. ''i feel an evolution in me that allows songs like
'leeds' to come out of me, and it's good. it inspires me to write more and
more. i pray that my greatest songs are still ahead of me.''

but when the day is done, ray and saliers just want to play. even when
they're not prepping for an album or a tour, they're finding their way
onstage or into some extracurricular musical venture. ray has run her indie
daemon records for five years now, launching the careers of college/modern
rock radio favorites kristen hall, the rock-a-teens, and viva la diva. and
both ray and saliers spent a portion of last year in bands with fellow
atlanta musicians.

''we do it just for fun,'' says ray, who played drums in a outfit called
flunky, while saliers was in a group named hash. ''it's not like we're going
to break up what we're doing as a team. that seems as solid now as it ever
has been.''

apex-03-24-97 1401est

about that guitar question:

the only practical way to record the guitar live is through it's pickup
system (usually under-the-bridge, but some people use other means.) a+e
play nice guitars, and they certainly have nice pickups as well. one usually
goes line-in to the mixer and onto tape. in the studio, you nearly never do
direct in. instead, you mike the guitar to capture more of it's overall
output and interaction with the room.

for live playing, martin guitars are alright with fishman pickups (fishman
also makes the "martin" pickups - be not fooled !) but personally i hate the
fishman sound. l.r. baggs pickups sound real nice with martins.

and of course takamine's have world renowned awsome pickups in their
acoustic/electrics. guild's stock pickups are ok - mcc uses guild alot - but
i've also heard some people play guild and the sound was yukky. so that might
depend.
i've never really liked the direct-in sound of ovations, myself, which is why
maybe you'll seldom hear melissa e.'s acoustic way up in the mix. ovations
are wild things.

bottom line: the chemistry between a guitar and its pickup and its strings is
unique and must be discovered.

thus ends today's really geeky guitar lesson.
thank you.
tammy

hello to all in indigo land!

i have the sad duty of informing y'all in the nc/sc/va area that the ig
are in fact not playing a concert here at duke after all. according to our
school paper and the freshman council trying to bring them here, they
decided to "cancel" the last leg of their little tour to go home and get
some rest before beginning the national tour which i assume starts with the
concerts at chastain at the end of may. they never actually had signed a
contract or anything here, so it was just a tentative hopeful thing that
just didn't work out.

we here are quite sad :( - i am a senior and the girls would have been
the most amazing senior concert i could have ever asked for - but it was
not to be. i'm sure they can definitely use the rest, though...

sorry to be the bearer of sad tidings, but hopefully you can catch them
at chastain or wolftrap in a couple months....

take care, all!

-- cheryl

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        to love for the sake of being loved is human,
                but to love for the sake of loving is angelic.
                                           -- alphonse de lamartine --
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>the closest concert i've heard of is
> a rumored, unconfirmed concert at duke.

there is no concert at duke university (nc). we were hoping to get one
here, but we have definitely been turned down and it is not happening. :(

-heather,
who thought she would get to hear ig
without leaving her own backyard

hi! this is my first post to the list, after lurking for a couple of
enjoyable months. i just found this out today from a friend who goes to
duke and thought i would pass it along:

>i'm afraid i have some bad news - our paper said today thatthe indigo
>girls have cancelled their show at duke, along with a bunch of their
>spring dates as they're getting ready for a big summer tour. :(

i wonder what other spring dates the duke paper was referring to???

even with this sad moment in my day, i had a really great indigo day.  i
was excited to see that ig will be in richmond on my 21st birthday!! what
a present!  also, as i was driving home this afternoon i was listening to
get out the map and watching the sun set behind the trees while i was
waiting at a light...  :)

katherine

hey y'all.i'm sorry for starting that big thing about lamers.it was a
mistake to not think about the fact that certain people might take what i was
saying in the wrong way.i agree with kim,''i'm lame, you're lame,we're all
lame.''.hehe...sorry.y'all.i'll keep my mouth shut from now on.it always
seems to get me into trouble.:-) love,mary

howdy,

caroline aiken is in vermont at the moment, putting the final touches on her
upcoming album, "butler field."  release date for this one is june 10, 1997.
hope you'll treat your ears when the time comes.  in addition to caroline's
trademark voice and guitar, you'll hear some amazing three part harmonies
with indigo girls on the title track.  caroline writes about the new album
in the latest edition of her newsletter, "that's what i heard." for info on
the newsletter, write to whatiheard@aol.com.

if you want to catch caroline live, here's where she'll be:

april 4, 1997: dottie's, atlanta ga -- as rhonda would
april 11 - 13, 1997: dogwood festival, atlanta ga
april 12, 1997: freight room, decatur ga -- w/ jack williams
april 17, 1997: eddie's attic, decatur ga
may 4, 1997: kpfk, los angeles ca -- "folkscene" with roz and howard larman
may 7, 1997: luna park, west hollywood ca -- 9:30pm
may 11, 1997: kuumbwa jazz center, santa cruz ca -- w/ wendy bucklew
may 13, 1997: john henry's, eugene or -- w/ wendy bucklew
may 15, 1997: tractor tavern, seattle wa -- w/ wendy bucklew
may 17, 1997: eccles conference center auditorium, logan ut
may 18, 1997: wooden dog at trolley square, salt lake city ut -- 7pm
june 21, 1997: fiddler's green coffeehouse, atlanta, ga
july 4-6, 1997: new bedford summerfest, new bedford ma
july 13, 1997: columbia folk festival, columbia pa -- showcase stage, 10:30am
july 25-27, 1997: falcon ridge festival, hillsdale ny
august 30, 1997: kerrville wine and music festival, kerrville tx
september 27, 1997: sautee-nachochee community center, sautee-nachochee ga

more dates are being added for the west coast swing, so keep plugging into
her website, listed below.

happy spring, y'all. see ya on the road...

lorene machado

machado entertainment, management and promotion
p.o. box 39952, los angeles, ca  90039, e-mail:  lorene@flylive.com
phone:  (818) 787-2468, fax:  (818) 787-3031, alpha pager:  (800) 800-9724
caroline aiken website:  http://www.hidwater.com/aiken/
wendy bucklew website:  http://www.hidwater.com/wendy/

hello old friends,
can anyone tell me what the line after "...out of these boxcars, out of
these chambers...out of the ???? strangers." is. i just can't seem to make
it out.
also, what exactly is jacob's ladder? i'm assuming it's a biblical
reference, but the only bible i own is one of those "my first bible"
things, and there's no index, and therefore, not much help here.

thanks so much,
cindy

ps...tony, sorry i missed the galveston party...work sucks sometimes :(

>who adds that each
>show will be punctuated by local newspaper ads for an 800 phone line with a
>two-minute message offering tour info and music samples from the set.

don't know if people knew this or not but the 800 number is:

1-800-742-7269

it is cool and gives some nice snippets from the new album and other info.
i have called twice and may keep calling all evening. looooove the new
stuff all tidied up. come to me april 29th!!!

bye

greg

>can anyone tell me what the line after "...out of these boxcars, out of
>these chambers...out of the ???? strangers." is. i just can't seem to make
>it out.
>also, what exactly is jacob's ladder?

the lifeblood web site says "out of the bed where we lay with ten
strangers." sounds right to me. :)
also, a me too on the meaning of jacob's ladder.

elizabeth <-- who figured out how to turn off her .sig file (thanks for the
help) - aren't we all happy!

hey all.

i just wanted to say a quick but sincere thank you to all the folks who
have posted (and will post in the future) reviews of the ig concerts
they have attended on this tour.

carrie
(jealous but grateful ;)

in a message dated 97-03-25 22:39:32 est, the epic person in the
billboard article said :

<< if you go to an indigo girls show, you will see people
in the audience who clearly listen to top 40 radio. >>

aaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

do not.
(hey, they played 2 songs from honor 1 on kaos(not top 40) sunday
within an hour of each other :)
'one knee gospel' and 'all my relations' (all my relations lead off a set
dedicated to palm sunday :)
i turned it up.
woo hoo !
i do want ig to break through to top 40... that would make it more tolerable.
nyuk !
binky
thanks for transcribing the article maureen !!!!!!!

for the record...

the lyric, "she's already won..." is indeed on
the recording. it was not printed on the lyric
sheet included with the disc.

there's a good chance it will be in the final
booklet. we shall see...

i have just finished reading (and replying to some) 317 messages
from the list (that's about 5 days worth) - next time i go on
holiday, i'm signing off for the time i'm away - it's easier!

john.

"that's no moon- that's a space station!"

ben kenobi (yeah, guess what movie i saw
this week...."

ok, so after loading up my body with an insane amount of coffee last night so
i could study all night for today's midterm, i now am wide awake and it's
crazy early.  so at 6am i turn on wfuv and sure enough, the dj announces how
the ig are today's featured artist.  great.  i'm really psyched.  so they
play ghost at about 6:06am (but who's keeping track of time ;) and i'm trying
to figure out how often they will play another ig song.  like i have nothing
better to do with my time. :)  the second ig song they played, live version
of pod (from botby) was at about 6:38am.  so i guess they're playing 1 about
every 30 minutes.  um, hello?  the citifolk program is on for 15 hours,
that's only 30 songs all day.  it really isn't sounding like too much airplay
to me.

so this is how i've been utilizing my brain power for the past 1 1/2 hours,
instead of studying. i decided that i really have some problems. :p

have a happy featured artist day,
sheri :)
everything in moderation: remember, folks- overpunctuating is just as
displeasing to the eye as underpunctuating. one exclamation point or :) is
sufficient, thank you ;)

at 11:37 pm 3/25/97, greg flamer wrote:
>>show will be punctuated by local newspaper ads for an 800 phone line with a
>>two-minute message offering tour info and music samples from the set.
>
>don't know if people knew this or not but the 800 number is:
>
>1-800-742-7269

i speak for all i'm sure (so no mee too's, ok?)....thank you greg for
giving this number to us, 'cuz i didn't know it!

wow! the studio versions of our favorites sound great! i am glad, though,
that we will have both versions....clean studio and raw boots.

anxiously anticipating april 12th.... ;o)

have a very merry wednesday!

joni :o)

<< am i the only one who wants to scream, "no, it's not 'alright' if you
'hate me 'cause i'm different, hate me 'cause i'm gay!'"? that line really
bothers me. i thought i'd get over it or get used to it, but i still think
that every time i hear it. i know she sort of qualifies the statement by
saying how the truth will come around, but still... >>

i've thought this, too, for a while.  after mulling it around, i find, for
me, it's not alright if someone hates me cuz i'm different or gay.  we just
perpetuate the hatred by allowing this to happen.  we need to address it
outwardly as well as inwardly - the truth of the matter will come around one
way, but in the meantime, i feel i have to challenge this hatred in any way i
can.  it's too dangerous (the atlanta bombings, kids being taken from their
mothers, lovers not allowed to be with their dying partners, etc.).  just my
$0.02.

hey y'all.

i was listening to a boot of the paolo solieri ampitheater, santa fe,nm show from august 25, 1996, and emily says, "wow. it's a great night to stick your face in a microphone." and amy replies "yeah, are you wearing rubber-soled shoes?"

anybody know why they said that? did something happen?

-rich (sbmfc charter member and official mentor)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
cobweb@grove.ufl.edu
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
my friends and i have had a tough time
bruising our brains hard up against change
all the old dogs and the magician
-e. saliers
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

on tue, 25 mar 1997, ms cathy a zavislak wrote:

> oh my gawd!!! i can't believe how great the ann arbor,mi show was
> last night!!!! i got tickets at the last minute thanks to karra, a
> very sweet person on this list that went out of her way to get them
> for me...and stand in the cold to deliver them...i cant thank her

aw, it was nothin' much :)

> enough!!..coincidentally was sitting next to rob, another list member,

not such a coincidence...i pulled all four together and then tried to find
homes for them. i meant to tell you both but forgot. i was kicking
myself on the way home until i remembered how friendly list members are
and knew you'd find each other. see, i was right!

thanks to everyone for the concert reviews.  i love hearing about the
show, but it really makes me hate myself for not being there.  one of
these days i'll learn my lesson.  i'm thrilled you all got to meet them
and glad to have been a part of it!  i live vicariously ;)

karra \ kmcleroy@umich.edu \ university of michigan office of major events
*****************************************************************************

>1. wood song
>2. 3 hits
>3. cara mia
>4. shed your skin
>5. everything in its own time
>6. least complicated
>7. scooter boys
>8. get out the map
>9. chiapas bound
>10. galileo
>11. kid fears
>12. it's alright
>13. shame on you
>14. ghost
>15. cut it out
>16. closer to fine

>1. chickenman
>2. thin line
>3. love's recovery w/david wilcox

ok.... this is like my dream set list.... who's got the boot and how do
i get it?

thanks.....

peace, love, & all things indigo,       _________
                                        \         /
jo                                       \       /
jmelnik@lucent.com                        \    /
                                           \ /
"the best thing you've ever done for me
is to help me take my life less seriously;
it's only life after all."   -- emily saliers

hey guys, they have 'shame on you' available in the clips section of the epiccenter site via real audio. here's that url:

http://www.epiccenter.com/epiccenter/docs/artistclips.qry?artistid=83

here's exactly what's on that page..

realaudio

from shaming of the sun

1) shame on you

14.4 28.8 3.0

video

special guests avi mov

new album avi mov

the new album photo shoot avi mov

i think the 'the new album photo shoot' is a new thing.. going to check it out right now! no new tours listed on the tours page though..

merry wednesday,

raine

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

raine amy c sanders

</color>mailto:raine@area51.homecom.com "safe in the arm's

http://area51.homecom.com/~raine of love's discovery"

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

tapes should have gone out on sat but since i have mine here lookin at
me..lets get them in the mail by sat( 3/29/97..
okydoky???
pooh

>6/5/97 garden state arts center holmdel, nj

ok... is there anyway to know when the tix go on sale? i work about 5
minutes
from that venue and would be willing to purchase.....maybe we could pool
for a
group thing... i know theres a bunch of us indigo fans in this area....
email me
if interested....

> hey y'all.
>
> i was listening to a boot of the paolo solieri ampitheater, santa fe,nm show from august 25, 1996, and emily says, "wow. it's a great night to stick your face in a microphone." and amy replies "yeah, are you wearing rubber-soled shoes?"
>
> anybody know why they said that? did something happen?
>

hi! oh yeah... i was there at that show. the weather was awful - rain,
thunder, lightening. they had to stop the show a few times. so, that
explains the rubber soled shoes remark.

hey, i would be mucho interested in getting a copy of this boot. tips?

have a great day, y'all.
gina.

>hey y'all.

>i was listening to a boot of the paolo solieri ampitheater, santa fe,nm show from august 25, 1996, and >emily says, "wow. it's a great night to stick your face in a microphone." and amy replies "yeah, are >you wearing rubber-soled shoes?"

>anybody know why they said that? did something happen?

>-rich (sbmfc charter member and official mentor)

my girlfriend was living in new mexico at the time, and i think she went to this show. i vaguely remember her saying something about it being pouring down rain during the show, it was outdoors. so, i imagine they were talking about the possibility of getting electrocuted from all the wet electrical equipment around.

she said it was an amazing show anyways.

kim
kpaulus@mpinc.com

hello to all!

i was wondering, which issue of billborad is this is. i don't want to
miss getting this one like i did with amy in it several months ago.
thanks.

take care and peace!

-deb

on wed, 26 mar 1997, rich benson wrote:

> i was listening to a boot of the paolo solieri ampitheater, santa fe,nm
> show from august 25, 1996, and emily says, "wow. it's a great night to
> stick your face in a microphone." and amy replies "yeah,
> are you wearing rubber-soled shoes?"
>
> anybody know why they said that? did something happen?
>
> -rich (sbmfc charter member and official mentor)

hi all (and of course, rich)

what they are referring to is that it was lightning pretty bad at paolo
solieri and it made for a very wonderful concert setting but was also
potentially dangerous for the girls, since they were singing into metal
microphones.

right before emily said that, a very large bolt of lightning shot overhead
and it was pretty bright.  there was a time, i think shortly after that,
that the show had to be delayed for about 15 minutes until the major part
of the storm passed.  unfortunately, it drizzled pretty much through the
majority of the concert, but the girls seemed to play twice as hard
because they were amazed that all of  the crowd was still there.  it was
an incredible concert....especially with the storm.

hope that answered your question....

take care all....

carrie (the new mexico one)

well, i don't have any ig tats, but i do have 3. i have (in order of age)
garfield pouncing on my right shoulderblade, a celtic armband on my right
bicep, and a pink triangle on my left shoulder.

dawn

rich wrote thusly:

hey y'all.

i was listening to a boot of the paolo solieri ampitheater, santa fe,nm
show from august 25, 1996, and emily says, "wow. it's a great night to
stick your face in a microphone." and amy replies "yeah, are you wearing
rubber-soled shoes?"

anybody know why they said that? did something happen?

-rich (sbmfc charter member and official mentor)
+++

yes! i was there. it was lightning heavily, and we were all very
concerned for our collective lives. in fact, the venue manager came out
and stopped the concert to let the lightning and thunder and rain pass by.
(this did not appear to please amy and emily...emily said something like,
"well, they're making us stop, we're not sure why...", to which the crowd
replied: "booooooo!")

but anyway, the most amazing thing happened. they were wailing away on a
new song (i don't remember which one now), and this incredible lightning
crashed down. the entire place went dark in an instant. all the sound
equipment went down, too.

but ya know what?  jerry marotta went right on drumming, keeping the beat
perfectly.  within about 15 seconds, the power came back on, and the girls
(and sara) joined back in, right where they left off.  and the
crowd...went...wild!

it was truly a wonderful ig night.  it started raining, which seemed to
kinda "bond" the audience together.  a&e were very appreciative that we'd
sit in the rain for them.  (they had to know that we'd have sat through a
volcano for them.)

besides the comment about sticking your face to a microphone, amy (i think
it was amy) had a great line..."we're learning new instruments...and
they're all metal." (amy was holding a mandolin, emily had a banjo.)
funny!

i can't tell you how awesome it was to sit there in the softly falling rain
and listen to emily sing "winthrop" and "leeds" as the thunder rumbled in
the distance. heaven.

thanks for reading!

justin

i don't think she's trying to be passive about the situation. i can
empathize with what em is saying because it's a more layed back approach.
i think in life you have to expect that not everyone is going to like
you. why spend energy trying to change something you can't control?
everyone has a right to hate who ever the hell they want...whether for
reasons of non-conformity or sexual orientation. it's when that hatred
leads to oppression that creates a problem. so if you hate me for who i
am,fine, do you what you need to do. but that doesn't give you the right
to oppress me or take away my basic human freedoms.
ben
(forgive my grammer..it's early)

hey, y'all, i have been reading and replying about the santa fe concert in
august. i was there, it was incredible, and i'd love to have a copy of the
boot.

does anyone have a copy that they'd like to trade? i'd be eternally grateful.

thanks!
justin, listening to soy over and over and over and over...

hey everybody,
        yesterday someone posted that the girls will be at the mann
music center in philadelphia, pa sometime at the end of may or beginning of
june.  being the idiot that i am i forgot to copy that date down.  can some
kind soul please email me with the date?  eternal thanks.  :) lynn

hey chicagoland listees!

any wagers that the invite only listening party last night in chicago was
just for teri hemmerit's pals?  she's a dj at wxrt, the radio station that
supposedly gave away tickets to this event.  those of us who listen to wxrt
regularly want to know...  whatthehey???

k, so you know yer an obsessed fan when...

you hear about this little get together in the morning, but yer on yer way
out the door to see someone you haven't seen in two months, & you can't just
cancel, cuz it was you who insisted on spending the day together. so, you
call yer best pal at work, give him yer aol password, & ask him to check yer
email every hour (& just cuz he's kewl, he does!). then you call yer best
pal from the car (while with yer other pal.. much to her chagrin) to get
updates!

shwooo. glad to get that outta my system. back to lurking.

dee

hey, has anyone heard from lorie d. of cincinnati lately ? her email addy
doesn't work and i just hope she didn't get flooded out.

sorry for the bandwidth :)
jude

jacob's ladder

basically the story goes something like this...jacob's father isaac
decreed that jacob would not marry a woman from canaan and sent jacob out
to find a wife. on his travels he stopped somewhere to sleep using a
stone for a pillow and he had a dream...in this dream there was a ladder
to heaven and jacob climbed it....god spoke to jacob and told him he
would be blessed and god gave him the land where he was sleeping...when
jacob woke up he said that the place he was sleeping must be a holy place
and he to the stone he used for a pillow anointed it with oil and called
the place bethel (i think)...

that's what i remember anyway...it's in genesis 28. amy ray uses tons and
tons of biblical references.

so much for today's bible lesson... :)

rachel

>
> date: wed, 26 mar 1997 08:09:59 -0500
> from: "sheri e. allen" <seaphish@aol.com>
> subject: this featured artist thing on wfuv

> every 30 minutes. um, hello? the citifolk program is on for 15 hours,
> that's only 30 songs all day. it really isn't sounding like too much airplay
> to me.

well, they just did "back together again" and the rop "galileo" back to
back...

> so this is how i've been utilizing my brain power for the past 1 1/2 hours,
> instead of studying. i decided that i really have some problems. :p*

peace,
bill

in a message dated 97-03-25 06:55:31 est, mat wrote:

<< has anyone else spotted any other buildings, etc...
connected with ig recently? >>

   yeah!!  i was driving down the street and (without having my contacts in)
could have _sworn_ that there was a billboard in the distance that said
"indigo girls".  of course i sped up to get a closer look, and to my dismay,
it was a advertisment for a new housing development called "indigo lakes".  i
was so mad!!  that would have been really cool...but why would the indigo
girls be on a billboard?!?  i guess i just had my hopes up = )

~happy day~
nicole

jacob's ladder comes from genesis chapter 28, verses 10 through 22.
it is part of an incident called "jacob's dream at bethel"  the ladder is,
more properly, a stairway where jacob saw angels ascending and
descending as they traveled to and from earth and heaven on the
errands of god.  jacob sees this during a dream telling him of his many
descendents and inheritence of the land he is sleeping on.  jacob then
erects a memorial stone in honor of the event and pledges that if he
returns to his father's house that the god that appeared to him would be
his god forever.

-j

hi marianne (and others)!

i have apparently only been able to get one message through to you
in the past several weeks, what the h*ll is going on????? :o

anyone else know??

a private reply would be appreciated!!

da c-man

in a message dated 97-03-26 12:41:59 est, debigogrl@aol.com (deb o'donoghue)
writes:

<< i was wondering, which issue of billborad is this is. i don't want to
miss getting this one like i did with amy in it several months ago.
thanks.
>>

i found this doing a news search on aol...it's dated 3/24, but doesn't say
anything about what issue it's in...and i don't see anything about it on
billboard's web site either...

maureen

at 09:55 pm 3/25/97 pst, heather wrote:

>as far as an ig tatoo i would have to take a few years to think it over but
it's definately possible.  i really love the art work on
nomads-indians-saints.  but i think any one symbol that could represent them
may be a globe of some sorts.  with bright blues and greens to show the
possibility of healing the earth.

okay y'all, since *tracy fears* (aka salray) spilt the beans about my ig tat
;) i'll have to reply to this post, b/c as you'll see i agree with it......

(oooh, btw amy and emily and friends listening, i am not obsessed with ig's
...*ahem*...
yeah right! ;) :)

        on my right arm/shoulder, i have the little greenish/blue folk
figure from the n*i*s _cassette tape_ insert (the cd insert shows the figure
in b/w).  the figure is about 3" tall and shows the person trudging through
the rain with a stone strapped on it's back <guess what song??>.  it's
trudging through red raindrops and underneath is written "indigo girls"
(also in red) in the same font as on the front of the n*i*s* tape insert.
        later, i had two crossing feathers added above the figure, which to
me symbolize *spirituality* -- which is primarily how i relate to the girl's
music :)

        overall, my ig tat *reminds me* that i have to work, sweat, and toil
in order to _truly_live, love, and be in harmony with the world.  in other
words, you have to put forth the effort to reap the rewards...   does that
make any sense?

on my other arm/shoulder i have a partial rendition of the statue of
liberty with "liberte'" written underneath. and well, that's pretty
self-explanatory, but to me it also relates to the girls music, because that
is a great deal of the message i see and hear in their lyrics and songs.

to me the girls songs are about love, freedom, and spitrituality.....
(okay, i'll stop gushing now :)

"pardon me but you have a multi legged creature on you shoulder." -spock
*compliments of heather :)

tony

founder and exchequer - yknib ssim fan club (and binky-lover extraordinaire! ;)

>hey y'all!  sorry to the boston listers who i already told....
>
>here's a special announcement from "the river" 92.5 fm...in boston
>
>there's going to be a special ig show by invitation only (you can't buy
>tix) on >thursday, april 17th at mamma kins at 41 landsdowne street in
>boston...you can >only win tix from "the river"...if you win tix you get:
>
>the tix (of course!)
>a commemorative pass
>a copy of the new cd "shaming of the sun"
>
>you can email the station at theriver@wxrv.com to win tix.  give them your
>>email addy, return phone number and snail mail addy (if you want).  they
>will >contact you before the 17th to let you know if you won.

crossing my fingers and toes and eyes and legs and everything else i can
cross 'cuz i really wanna go.........

have a good day everyone!

joni :o)

>another thing i noticed is that the ending of the bridge is "i'm your
>fool". in transcribing that section from the hte show, i had it as "i'm
>your foe". i'm curious to hear the album version because it sure as heck
>sounds like she sings "foe". i've never heard an "l" sound at the end. did
>she change that too? actually i think i like "foe" better. sort of adds to
>the bitterness of the song.
>
>deb

i don't know if this means anything (like southern georgia accents) but in
losing my religion, michael stipe sings "like a hurt, lost and blinded fool"
and to me it sounds like "foe" everytime too.

? lori

"this is now, this is here, this is me, this is what i wanted you to see."
rem

hello all:

has anyone listened all day ?? i would've, but couldn't get the station to
come in on my radio at work ...

i've heard ghost, prince of darkness (live) and i don't wanna talk about it
this morning and joking was played this afternoon around 4:10 pm ...

they're playing american tune now ....

chris

hey all of you out there in indigoland,

okay, i took a day off with posting to the list about this yesterday
cause today's is pretty long, sorry.  this is the list of people that
have donated to hte for amy's b'day that will be included in the card.
if you have donated and would like to be added to the list, just email
me at "mandi96@airmail.net" with your name, email addy, and a message to
amy and i'll add ya to the list.  if you still haven't donated and would
like to the address is:
honor the earth
c/o greta gohn
po box 502
chimacum, wa 98325
checks and money orders made out to honor the earth (cash and foreign
currency accepted)  okay, here's the list, please check to make sure
that your name is on it if you have emailed me and that it is spelled
right, this is how it will appear in the card, thanks!  names with  *
have a message included in the list

elizabeth turcotte*
tony*
dena kohleriter*
nicole yonke*
courtney reeve*
karen carr*
emily izenstein*
lisa m. schreihart*
anna creech
melinda carneiro*
shana (jak) smulyan*
audrey beth stein*
jan stevens*
lisa cuevas*
emily monteer*
erica spizz
stacey vamvas
megan*
amy hannon*
stacy waterworth*
robert waters*
laura
amy c. sanders
shanna freeman*
larissa c. brown
linda gelsthorpe
sara mccutchen*
leticia perez*
alexandra
lori hannan
cheryl thiede*
deb o'donoghue*
chris talbot
stephen mcgill
steven reynolds
andi lipman*
sarah wagoner
mary mccarl*
jasmine
molly f. maloan
liz palmer*
lynn cardamore
heather farningham*
sasha friedman
jen lucero*
elizabeth skipper
mary eichman*
carla williams and carolyn spidle
veronica tom*
hugh barroll*
cindy katz*
erin sue carroll
cathy zavislak*
sarah wardrop*
joan morrison
allison*

sorry about the bandwidth, there's just a bunch of really cool and
generous people on this list, if you want to join them, just send in
your donation and email me and you'll be added. thanks to all those
that have joined in, your great!

love,
mandi

hey all,

i want to confirm that the release date for the new album is april 29th.
too many other dates are floating around.

thanks,
sharon

>date: mon, 24 mar 1997 21:46:45 -0500
>to: listserv@netspace.org
>from: grnpeace@fullnet.com
>
>i just joined this list a few days ago, and have been reading the postings.
i have never been on a list that writes so much, let me tell you, but that's
not important.  i can't remember if i posted anyhting on this or not, my
mind is kind of numb right now due to a bunch a deadlines in school.  i
don't want to write too much because i don't want to waste anyone's time in
reading this instead of something important about the ig. (amy, emily, i
have no idea whether or not you read this.  chances are that you don't, you
have so many other things to do, it's got to be impossible to be able to
keep up with this.  i can't even read everyhting and i've been on for three
days)  anyway, addressing the list, you all seem to know each other well,
that's just what it seems like to me.  it's better than the janis joplin
list.  the people were nice, but i couldn't really get to know anyone.  you
seem like a big family.  i hope someday i can be considered part of that.  i
obviuosly love the ig.  if not i wouldn't be writing here.  i'm not very
outspoken about it for the reason that i can't really be.  i was introduced
to them last year (i know not as long as you die-hard fans) by my "college
friends".   i'm 16 by the way, and i didn't have any true friends until last
year.  i was always guarded around everyone.  just kind of was there, but
never really loved any of my friends.  then i met laura.  she opened my door
along with a few other seniors.  i was a sophomore at the time.  (you're
wondering what all of this has to do with ig right about now i bet)  they
introduced me to hemlock, which is my spiritual home (it's a forest with
waterfalls).  we went there almost every weekend in the spring while school
was still in.  we were a family.  they were the first people i really cared
about.  they introduced me to the ig. we would listen to them on the way to
and back from hemlock.  everytime i hear world falls, i am back at hemlock
sitting on  my rock watching the water fall. we would sit around the
campfire and teach each other songs we learned by the ig and others, but
mostly the ig.  they were so beautiful.  there were five of them.  they all
were in choir, and had beautiful voices.  when they were together...i can't
even explain it.  well, now they have alll left me phisically for college,
but i still have the songs.  wheni can't go with laura camping or just road
tripping to the next adventure, i  can listen to the ig and get the feeling
i had.  i hope that doesn't sound all corny...can't believe i actually used
that word.  of the 5 million words i know i have to use the word corny.
anyway, that's some of what the ig are to me. there's so much more to be
said, but i haven't got the words to express my love.  you know, i really
thought about trying to win that one contest for song writing with the ig,
but i could never bring myself to write one.  i was going to write it, then
laura would sing it.  i had an idea and everyhitng.  i would sit in class
with stuff giong around in my head, but i have too many insecurities about
that.  i can't expose my soul very well.  i live in too much of a
conservative environment.  well, i guess i'll go now................
>
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>date: wed, 19 mar 1997 20:34:14 -0500
>to: listserv@netspace.org
>from: grnpeace@fullnet.com
>subject: finlandia
>
>i just joined this list today, and i have a lot to say, but don't have much
time.  i have one question that's been bugging me for a while.  does anyone
have any info on the song finlandia?  i have been looking for a cd with the
song, and i know it appears on a cd, but can't find the cd.  can anyone
help.  does anony have a bootleg of it or something?  thanks
>
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hey, i'm sorry about the really long message i sent, and the other one about
finlandia.  i messed up and sent the wrong ones.  i forgot to messages on
them correcly also.  please forgive me oh wonderful listserve.
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now they're playing "closer to fine" ...

supposively they're going to be playing something off sots ...

chris

this is my last installment of bdays, y'all.  the new bday goddess (or
however she chooses to identify herself) will be anna (chickensoprano).  a
big wet kiss goes to her for taking this off my hands (i don't have time
for the list anymore, so sad, so sad!...)  thanks for all the little notes
you loverly people have sent me.

march 12
egg@u.washington.edu (carolyn chow)
happy 25th, carolyn!
got to learn to respect what you don't understand.
happy fuckin' birthday, you asshole! -claire

march 20
windshei@freenet.msp.mn.us (marci windsheimer)
happy bday, marci!

march 21
carrieb@gladstone.uoregon.edu (carrie brogoitti)
happy 24th, carrie!

march 24
pjhoopie@aol.com (pj)
happy 33rd, pj!
i come to you with strange fire, i make an offering of love
the incense of my soul is burned by the fire in my blood...

march 26
hmcomey@alex.stkate.edu
happy 22nd!

march 27
brdopl.kduncan@state.ut.us (karen duncan)
happy 28th, karen!

march 29
jacquelyn.ottomyer@yale.edu (jacqui)
happy 20th, jacqui!

march 31
tisast@nytimes.com (rahadyan timoteo sastrowardoyo)
happy 34th, tim!

have an indigo year!
love,
the bg

hey - i've got a question for anyone in l.a.:

what radio station do you think might play soy?  has anyone heard it
anywhere yet?  i'd call somewhere and request it if i could figure out
where to call.  kroq?  what do you think?

i'm sort of wondering if l.a. might not get one of those private
listening party deals sometime next week while they are out on the west
coast, but i don't even know which station to obsessively listen to.
it's a hard life here in the radio wasteland...

sorry to the 99% of you who don't live in l.a.

anyone who has an idea, please reply to me privately: alisont@netcom.com

thanks,
alison
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a dog, a plan, a canal - pagoda! alisont@netcom.com

well, all, thank you so much for your help with my survey!  i promised
that i would post my results, so here it is.  i only used half of the
respondents for my paper because i didn't get them all back in time to
include them.  the percentages are based on these responses.  there were a
total of 72 responses; i used 40 in the paper.  i know this is a very
biased sample because it is small and is weighted for middle-class, white,
gay/lesbian/bi/other/friendly, younger crowd, since that is the general
demographic for ig fans (no flames please, just statistics) and lots of
other things.  but it is still interesting to see how our list did, and to
compare it to some national statistics and information.

here are my results: out of 40 respondants, 29% are lesbian, 34% hetero,
29% bisexual, and 8% undecided.  the age groups were: 14-17, 9%;
18-25, 56%; 26-35, 35%.  marital status: 72% are single, 22% are married
or have a life partner, and 6% are divorced.  the age range was from 16-30
with the mean age 22.9.  60% report having regular breast and pelvic
exams.  68% reported that they felt themselves to be at some risk for
breast or cervical cancer, and 28% felt they were not at risk (4% no
response).

of the questions from the longer survey, here are the highlights:
10% reported being told by their provider that they are at less risk (or
no risk) for stds.  [the research shows that hpv, a virus that causes
genital warts and has been linked to cervical cancer, can be transmitted
between women having sex with no symptoms evident, as well as other stds
including chlamydia and hepatitis b.]  12% reported feeling uncomfortable
going to a facility for medical care because of providers' attitudes
regarding their orientation.  20% reported that the paperwork and
educational pamphlets did not address their needs specific to their sexual
orientation.  16% reported having disclosed their sexuality (this is 16%
of all respondents including hetero women who did not "disclose" because
they were assumed to be het).  4% reported having overheard negative
comments about gay or lesbian people by a health care provider (one
overheard negative comments made about *her* orientation specifically).

this is a significant health problem, which is why i did this survey and
did the research for my community health paper.  i specifically researched
the seattle lesbian cancer project (if any local people want/need to get
in touch with them, i can give you the phone number).  1 in 8 american
women will develop breast cancer, compared to **** 1 in 3*** american
lesbian women. it is estimated that almost every woman knows another woman
who has had breast cancer.  it is the leading cause of death for american
women between the ages of 35 and 54 years, and the most common cancer in
women. yet fewer than one third of lesbians regularly get essential
gynecological care, so their cancer goes undetected longer.

***risk factors***
many many of us have at least one characteristic that places us at greater
than average risk for breast or cervical cancer.

breast cancer risk:
increased age (especially after age 50
family history of breast cancer (especially in a sister, daughter, or
mother)
early first period
no childbirth by age 30,
high fat diet
high body fat percentage
alcohol consumption
use of oral contraceptives
exposure to toxic chemicals
radiation exposure

about 70% of lesbians have not had children before age 30, and lesbians
have significantly higher incidence of alcohol consumption and high bmi
than the general american female population.

cervical cancer risk:
early age at first intercourse (less than age 20)
history of sexually transmitted diseases (especially hpv, hsv and possibly
cytomegalovirus)
multiple sexual partners (defined as more than two)
abnormal pap smears
a sexual partner with a history of multiple sexual partners
addiction to cigarettes
exposure to des (diethylstilbestrol)in utero
belonging to a lower socioeconomic group.

75% to 90% of lesbians report having had heterosexual activity (which is
the most common method of transmitting hpv), and many report a history of
multiple male partners. 45% of lesbians don't have regular gynecologic
care; another 25% only have sporadic care. lesbians, who generally do not
engage in sexual activity with men and therefore are not at risk for many
sexually transmitted diseases or for pregnancy, do still have health care
needs which should be addressed regularly and assessed thoroughly with
their providers. the need for contraception does not bring them to the
clinic, and so they often put off or completely abstain from annual pelvic
and breast exams.

most scary, and the reason for all the questions about your doctors, is
this:
in a 1982 survey of members of a california county medical society, it was
found that 40% of respondents were "sometimes" or "often" uncomfortable in
treating homosexual patients. in a 1994 survey of the membership of the
american association of physicians for human rights, 67% of respondents
reported knowing of lesbian, gay or bisexual patients who had received
substandard care or been denied care because of sexual orientation; 52%
had observed colleagues providing reduced care or denying care to patients
because of their sexual orientation, and 88% reported hearing colleagues
make disparaging remarks about lesbian, gay and bisexual patients. these
providers place their patients at risk for late diagnosis, increased
morbidity and mortality because their overt and masked feelings regarding
these patients discourages them from receiving regular care. many lesbians
who have actually disclosed their sexual orientation to their providers
(only one third do) report being told that they do not need pelvic
examinations or pap smears because they are not at risk for cervical
cancer, based solely on the fact that they love and have sex with women,
rather than on possible risk factors such as possible exposure to hpv, if
the woman had/has any children, or others.

i'm sorry this post is so long.  i realize it is nigc and i try to abstain
from this as much as possible.  but so many people asked me to post this,
and i think it is so important, so i'm going to risk the wrath of
digest-listers who don't want to read all of this.  please, please! do not
fall into the habit of not getting regular exams, especially if you have
one or more of the above risk factors for cancer!  it kills women, and it
doesn't have to.  one last thing, about breast self exam: about 1/2 of
breast lumps are found by patients doing breast self exam.  every woman
over the age of 14-16 should be checking her breasts every month (same
time of month, like the week after your period) so that you know what your
breasts normally feel like.  that increases success at detecting any
abnormalities early.

and one last thing!!  my study group was very young, but cancer risk rises
dramatically every year after 40.  mature lesbian women (>50) are
practically invisible to health care.  they don't get preventative care as
often as they should.  remember this, and if you know any women at all
spread the word (young or old, gay or straight etc.!)!!  this is so
important.

i'm done. i am happy to answer questions. thanks a lot!

yeah, tony, well you deserve to be ratted on, my friend, for making me
wait in the windy weather messing up my "work-do" and fighting birds for
my burger....how's that for alliteration?
and to stand up for t-man's honor, he isn't obsessed...just really
really really really committed to a cause...*wink*

i have one, i have one!!! sorry. i felt the need to contribute. no ig
tattoos...although i was tempted...i do, however, have a claddagh (an
irish wedding band) tattooed on my right hip. i got it the day after i
turned 18...and had been plotting to get one sonce i was 14. this summer,
i'll be getting some form of a celtic symbol on my left shoulder. anyone
have any suggestions? i was wondering about that this morning...email me
priavtely if you think of any cool celtic symbols.

and as far as my question is concerned...does anyone know what the celtic
symbol for medicine/healing is? or where i could find a good
representation of it? any help would be greatly appreciated by me and my
irish pre med roommate...thanks...

meg

*one can never rule out idiocy in history*

sorry for the waste of bw, but could someone email me with the date for
the mann music center show in phila, too? thanks...
meg

*one can never rule out idiocy in history*

hey guys....i'm leaving for texas tomorrow. i've "set" my list thingy. so
no mail will be coming to me. to those who wrote to me privately..i'll
get to you when i get back!! *promise*!

be back april 6th!

-liz- off to her land of canaan

okay, i'm hooked (as if i wasn't before today) -- does anyone have the
lyrics to soy that were posted? i'd love to have them.
thanks
alycia

okay i don't have an ig tatoo, but i do have two, a rainbow tiangle on my
left hip, and two red hearts, one behind the other, with "alternative" above
it and "lover" below it in scroll work. giving credit to the artist of the
comic "strangers in paradise" for that one
zip

sorry to send this to the list but i don't have your e-mail address on file
and i need to be off the ig list for awhile due to excessive school
work--any stuff you need to send out about the loop tape will you make sure
that it is sent to my address and not just the list? thanks email me if
you need anything-- tricia

i have two tickets for the april 12th show that i want to sell.  they are
floor seats:
section 4, row j, seats 2 & 3.  i got a seating map from the whitmore
center and section 4 is placed like:
        stage

3 2 1

6 5 4

the face value of the ticket is $22.50 each. ticketmaster added its usual
take of $5.50 each so the total for tickets cost me $56.00. if you are
interested, please e-mail me privately.

linda perrine
lap@ix.netcom.com

thank for all you who have responed so nicely.  don't have any time right
now.  have a biology lab due tomorrow, and i'm just finding out my flies
mutated.  everythign has changed on it so have to start over...no sleep
tonight....
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someone wonderful wrote the following

  i got a seating map from the whitmore
>center and section 4 is placed like:
>        stage
>
>3         2         1
>
>6         5         4

i'm in section 2 row j seat 14 or something -- dead center!!!

i was in the bleachers, obstructed view the last time i saw them @ unh

mike r.
*who is giddy after realizing it is only 5 days till he gets spend an
evening with his fave author who just happens to be speaking on campus
(course i had something to do with that...)dinner, speech and probably a
beer afterwards, and i get to take him out to breakfast as well, and said
author may or may not be one of miss binky's fave tv personalities... i may
not be upset that there is no way in hell that i can go to that private
boston show*

--- lynn martin of newport fame wrote:
being the idiot that i am i forgot to copy that date down.
--- end of quoted material ---
mizzzz lynn, thou musnt be so hard on thyself! after all...you sang with amy
and emily! :) thus you are the badassest. truly.

xox, susannabanana
did i embarrass ya? i sure hope not! :)

the ig article is in the march 29th issue (p.16). it also includes a little
picture in which both girls have remarkably good hair! (imho)

i just called the 1-800 number and i love it! i can't stop calling it!
my roommate thinks i'm crazy because i keep singing into the phone!
thanks greg for the number!
ang
" i say love will come to you,
hoping just because i spoke the words that they're true.
as if i've offered up a crystal ball to look through
where there's now one, there will be two."
-emily saliers

quick question. is "burn all the letters" an amy or emily song? is it
electric or acoustic? has someone already posted the lyrics?
thanks,ben

hey everybody--
        last week i told someone i post on this list once a year.  i lied.
thanks to everyone who replied about my mann music center question.
greatly appreciated.  unfortunately i probably cannot go which really
really sucks.  it seems that i can always make the shows that are hours
away but never the ones that are in my backyard.  that just gives you a
little idea about how my luck works.
        anyway, enough whining.  a few people asked me what the mann is
like.  i really like it a lot.  you can buy actual seats or gen. admin.
tix.  the most expensive tickets are underneath an awning- something i
was very grateful for during my first rainy, icky ig show in 1992 (5 years
ago- yikes!)  then there are tix where you have a seat assignment but
they are further away and totally vulnerable to rain.  the least expensive
tix are on the lawn, where you can just bring a blanket and chill.
the nice thing about the mann is that the really *serious* igers are in
the front, while the ones who don't like to dance are in the back.  the
only thing that sucks is when you get tix too late and get stuck in front
of people that want you to sit down the whole time (ie 1994 so show).
all in all, i definitely recommend it.  just put the club on your car because
more than a few have been stolen from the mann parking lot in past
years.
        that's it for me.  ciao for now... love, lynn :)

hey there, i just heard a rumor that the girls were possibly doing another
show at virginia beach. just wondering if this could possibly be true.
any help would be appreciated.
-amy

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a quick thank you to all who answered the my so-called life question.
it's "karass" and it comes from cat's cradle (kurt vonnegut).  raine, i
checked out the site you suggested and i think they completely missed the
episode, so i still haven't seen the actual script. :(   i am still in
the dark about blue food, am i alone here?  bump.  guess not.
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>--- lynn martin of newport fame wrote:
> being the idiot that i am i forgot to copy that date down.
>--- end of quoted material ---

and then susan b. marine of sbmfc fame wrote:
>mizzzz lynn, thou musnt be so hard on thyself! after all...you sang with amy
>and emily! :) thus you are the badassest. truly.
>
>xox, susannabanana
>did i embarrass ya? i sure hope not! :)

is it embarrass lynn day today???  i thought it was *last* wednesday.  oh
well.  i'll tell you all the story anyway....  we (me, marilyn, tina, and
eric) were at the tin angel waiting for michelle malone to start playing,
and eric says, "there's a famous listee behind us."  so i turn around and
look, expecting to see....actually, i wasn't sure *who* i was expecting to
see.  and since i was sooo far back when the event originally happened
eric actually had to spell it out for me, "that's the girl who sang closer
to fine at newport."  so i was all set to go over and just be like, "hey
lynn, what's up?" except eric couldn't remember her name, so i had to be
a total cheese (the muenster variety, because there isn't jester cheese
yet...hi susan!) and ask.  i think i actually used the line, "hi, i know
you're famous but i don't know your name...."   but it all worked out,
because i am such a badass that i can get away with stuff like that on
occasion, everyone just sees my hat and thinks i'm cute and the cheese is
just part of the cuteness.  good thing no one knows how late i stay up
practicing.... ;)

hi lynn!

take care y'all,
audrey

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"oouh la, la, la... bork bork bork! sheme-a oon yuoo"
-- amy ray and the swedish chef

in you & me of the 10,000 wars, i used to think the line was:

everybody loves a *mellow drummer* -- well, jerry was playin' kinda mellow
then :o

well, after reading all the posts about the show where electrocution was
almost imminent...i thought i might post about a show i lived thru...

it was at the backyard in austin a few years back. the venue is quite
small, so they usually play two nights in a row...

this show was a friday and a saturday.  my buddy tasha and i were meeting
some friends there (we had been on a long soccer trip)...mind you, the
drive from georgetown to bee cave is about an hour and some change.  we're
almost there, and i realize i left my friggin ticket at school.  i ring a
good friend who met us halfway with it.  once we finally got parked and
thru the gate, the place was packed.  somehow, we managed to slide and
weasel our way to front and center.  squashed against the stage where a&e's
sweat could drip right on us.  after (i think) kris mckay (this was before
i knew of her...i shun the idea of not really remembering) opened up...it
began to rain.  not just any rain, but a good central tejas rain...like
noah was on his way.  a&e came out and said that the backyard folks said
the show would have to be postponed.  we waited...to see if it would
cease...no such luck, cause with a tejas rain, it could be days before you
see the sun.  anyhow, the crowd started chanting rain or shine...this went
on for about an hour or more...half the folks left.  tasha and i, the
obsessed ones we are, stayed in the front, birkenstocks and all...the rain
from the ampitheater collecting at a two foot deep pool at our feet.  we
were not leaving...

the tix did say rain or shine...

so, finally, about 10, they said, screw it and let them play. it was a
great show...i think i irritated amy cause i kept screaming for
chickenman...she said, "alright already..." and although it only lasted for
a little more than an hour, it was worth it. (especially since that was
the last time i saw them...)

the pisser is that the folks who left on friday were let back in on
saturday...for a full show (there is a noise ordinace that starts at 12).
but, we were famous, cause a&e kept prattling on about how dedicated the
friday folk were.

sorry for the length, but i finally came up with some igc that was neat-o.
or at least i think so...

--s

"hatred nurtured is suicide prolonged."
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if you are out there, write me, for i lost your email addy...
--s

(sorry for the bw)

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sara mccutchen  10-22-502 ikeda-cho nishinomiya-shi,  hyogo-ken  662
japan
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       sbeth@gol.com        http://members.tripod.com/~sbeth/index.html
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                  "hatred nurtured is suicide prolonged."
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i'm not sure what the exact circumstances were, but it sounds like
they're talking about someone getting electrocuted by a
microphone....

john.

"that's no moon- that's a space station!"

ben kenobi (yeah, guess what movie i saw
this week...."

hi all ...

just got a copy of this ( and others ) including mapped nice to
see how the songs have grown ... anyway can anyone provide me with a date
for the lc gig. my inlay does not have this on it and i would like it for
the cronological purposes, not that i'm obsessed with keeping things on
order or anything ... ;-)

cheers
jules

        when you learn to love yourself
        you will dissolve all the stones that are cast ..
                                                amy ray

"that's the moon y'all... i thought it was a rollercoaster!"
emily saliers (seattle - 8/31/96)

from john's sig:
>"that's no moon- that's a space station!"
> ben kenobi

bwaha!
kristina
(with too much free time on her hands)

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i saw date posted as may 30th at mann music center but, just having moved
here, am not sure who handles tix for that venue (no listing of it on
tixmaster). any clues?

hidee hidee ho people!

i had to share this....i called a company in california to get service on a
piece of equipment i maintain at work.  i go through the caller's menu
("press 1 for service on the aria line, press 2 for service on...." etc.)
and eventually i get put in queue....then they start playing music....i'm
listening and the tune is hauntingly familar...i'm like "where have i heard
this before?"  it's an instrumental piece with a spanish sound to it...then
it hits me....this song was on sundara's loopty loop tape!  hahahahaha!  i
forget the artist, sundarling, but i remember i liked it when i heard it,
and i still think it's a catchy tune.

so, everyone, just wanted to let you know that sundara's loopty loop tape
is made up of current and future musak tunes. i don't know what that
means....you make up your own joke.

(only kiddin' with you sundarling! i loved your tape! hehehehe :o)

have a good one everyone!

joni :o)

i just revisited sony's ig web site and they have a mailing list now for
updates and stuff. i'm not sure if it's new or i just missed it, but i
was wondering if there's any reason why we *shouldn't* sign up this list
for it?

so....if you've got objections, or if you've already signed us up, email
me within the next twenty-four-ish hours. else i'm gonna try to add us.
(that way, not everybody has to join individually, and we all get the
information, and we can hopefully avoid lots of repetitious posts begging
for a copy.)

later,
audrey

at 09:50 am 3/27/97 -0500, audrey beth stein wrote:
>i just revisited sony's ig web site and they have a mailing list now for
>updates and stuff. i'm not sure if it's new or i just missed it, but i
>was wondering if there's any reason why we *shouldn't* sign up this list
>for it?
>
>so....if you've got objections, or if you've already signed us up, email
>me within the next twenty-four-ish hours. else i'm gonna try to add us.
>(that way, not everybody has to join individually, and we all get the
>information, and we can hopefully avoid lots of repetitious posts begging
>for a copy.)
>
>later,
>audrey
>

i've been signed up on this since last fall and nary an email have i
received from them..

merry thursday,
raine

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raine amy c. sanders

mailto:raine@area51.homecom.com "safe in the arms
http://area51.homecom.com/~raine of love's recovery"
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>i just revisited sony's ig web site and they have a mailing list now for
>updates and stuff. i'm not sure if it's new or i just missed it, but i
>was wondering if there's any reason why we *shouldn't* sign up this list
>for it?

it's been available for quite awhile - a few months, atleast. so far only
one piece of mail has been sent and it was just about the lyric concert and
other stuff we pretty much knew about.

>so....if you've got objections, or if you've already signed us up, email
>me within the next twenty-four-ish hours. else i'm gonna try to add us.
>(that way, not everybody has to join individually, and we all get the
>information, and we can hopefully avoid lots of repetitious posts begging
>for a copy.)

i really don't think a decision such as that should be made on behalf of
nearly 1000 people. if individuals want to subscribe to it, they should be
able to do so on their own. i recall a whole lot of po'd people several
years ago when jude took over the list from stephen. they were
automatically subscribed to the new list and weren't too happy about it.
even though it's ig, i don't think anyone should assume that others want to
be added to another list.

deb

i don't know if there are any jonatha brooke/the story fans on this list,
but i wanted to see if anyone noticed the similarity of her voice to one
on a friggin' gooodyear (tires) commercial!!  can anyone confirm this as
being her?  please tell me no...what is she doing singing commercial
jingles?  i know the story broke up, but she is still producing solo
stuff...

...it just caught me by surprise the other night, that's all.

thanks
sarah
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"...every five years or so
i look back on my life
and i have a good laugh..."
-emily saliers
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

so, the first line of "shed your skin" is
115 you are 17
does anyone have a clue what that might mean? thanks for the help.
shiri

>i don't know if there are any jonatha brooke/the story fans on this list,
>but i wanted to see if anyone noticed the similarity of her voice to one
>on a friggin' gooodyear (tires) commercial!! can anyone confirm this as
>being her?

sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but it is her.  i wondered the same
thing, so i searched the web for a while the other night (okay, so i have
too much time on my hands).  i don't remember the address, but there was a
mention of her current projects (including the goodyear commercial) on one
of them.  does anyone have any info on the story break-up?  i haven't
really followed them, so i wasn't even aware they broke up until i bought
her new cd.
thanks.

elizabeth <-- who apologizes for leaving her .sig file on this time, but
it's just so darn cute. :)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~~~~~~~~~~~~
here is edward bear,
coming downstairs now,
bump, bump, bump,
on the back of his head,
behind christopher robin.
it is, as far as he knows,
the only way of coming downstairs,
but sometimes he feels that there really is another way,
if only he could stop bumping for a moment and think of it.
and then he feels that perhaps there isn't.

-from winnie-the-pooh

"sometimes [eeyore] thought sadly to himself, 'why?' and sometimes he
thought, 'wherefore?' and sometimes he thought, 'inasmuch as which?' - and
sometimes he didn't quite know what he *was* thinking about."
-from winnie-the-pooh

i am a "fortunate one" along with tt i got a advance cd of the new
album. first let me say that i am not a reviewer of any sort, so the
comments about the songs are strictly my opinion.

shame on you - most have already heard this one, the background vocals
add alot
get out the map - wow it changed alot since the map tour and it is
really good
shed your skin - reminds me of the style of jcs

its alright - very good rhythm, amy's harmonies add alot to the song

caramia - this one is going to take time to grow on me, but no doubt
          it will
don't give that girl a gun - excellent, a girl and her guitar very nice,
                             the ending line is "i'm your fool", after
                             listening  i see why fool is the
                             appropriate word here
leeds - beautiful song, em was very smart to learn the piano.

scooter boys - i'll reserve my comment on this one for now

everything in its own time - very pretty song, alot of background music

cut it out - very interesting song, can't wait to hear everyones
interpretation of this one
burn all the letters - good

hey kind friend - addition of horns, like this one alot also

this album adds alot of background music and vocals that we probably are
not accustomed to with the previous albums, makes the songs sound full
is ya know what i mean.

the entire album is great.

before anyone asks i will not dub this cd, i don't believe in making
dubs of commerical albums, thats how they earn their living !

thanks for listening. better get back to work now.

sharon

private email please respond to "thegirls@erols.com"

joni wrote:

>this before?" it's an instrumental piece with a spanish sound to
>it...then it hits me....this song was on sundara's loopty loop tape!
>hahahahaha! i forget the artist, sundarling, but i remember i liked it
when i heard
>it, and i still think it's a catchy tune.

(warning: this is a shameless plug)

it's ottmar liebert.  he absolutely rocks my world.  everyone should
listen to ottmar.  he's a german-chinese new age flamenco guitar player
who was raised in s. america and lives in new mexico.  he rocks!!!!
soooo, if y'all ever have the chance to listen to ottmar, do it,  he is
fabulous.

and, coincidently, i was out to dinner with betsy last night (hi betsy)
and the restaurant played ottmar. i was pretty thrilled. i always seem
to hear ottmar in the randomest places. too fun :)

love,
sundara, queen of loopty-loop number nine, and somewhat depressed that
ottmar is now musak

hello, all! =)
      it's seven #@!&ing o'clock in the morning _on_my_day_off_ and i'm
awake.  why?  you don't even want to know... so i'm catching up on list mail,
tra, la, la, and feel the need to make a couple of comments. (me?  comment?
never! :0 )  first, scot, if you're out there, i was listening to the plaid
album in the car yesterday, and i miss you! =]  if you're out there anywhere,
please write to me... i've lost all my old addresses. =]  everyone else, call
up rainy day records [(404) 636-6166] and get "the plaid album", by our own
scot ninnemann. =)  it's a damn fine piece of work! =)  (and so is he! ;)  )
second, i do not care about tori amos' sexual orientation (or "reason" for
it) _at_all_, so i just delete it as i see it, which i still think is the
best policy.  if you don't want to read something just don't.  this concept
seems to be difficult to grasp... (sorry, i'm cranky at this time in the
am... i do apologise.)  i say this is the best idea b/c some nigc is
interesting, and some nobody cares about at all.  decide for yourself, but
flames just aren't very nice. =(  i'm sure a lot of people delete my posts,
(by which i will never be offended) because there's barely ever igc...
speaking of which, if you live in/around chattanooga, i'm probably going to
be at the michelle malone show at d's there saturday night, and i'd love to
meet you! =)  what else?  oh!  i still have a stack of "atlanta" magazines
left, so if you want the paper copy of this month's article, i'll be happy to
fix you right up for the low, low bargain price of just $5. (or two boots,
whichever you like.)  next., i was reading the ig survey results (a la
sherlyn) and dost mine eyes deceive me?  surely they must!  it cannot be true
that only thirteen percent of the replies tallied included michelle as
another favourite artist!  oh, woe is me!  why is this?  sheer lack of
exposure?  if so, write to me, and we'll trade mixes or something just so you
can get a taste of what you're missing.  only 12 percent said kristen hall,
too, and i think the other 88% are missing out, though not quite as severely.
;)  next, (i'm adding to this as i go through more posts from the 7th...) did
we ever find out what that scholastic tape was all about?  does anyone have
this?  a copy?  is a tree in the works? ;)  i'm interested to know what's on
it... any teachers out there?  oh, i'm going to the auburn, al show, so if
anyone wants me to get him/her a tee shirt or something let me know
beforehand, and you can pay me back after i get it.  i have no idea what the
price is, but be sure to tell me before the 25th of april.  also, offer still
stands for overseas people for "shaming of the sun".  if you can't get it
where you are, i'll buy some extra copies on release day and send them out.
just e-mail me and i'll give you the details.  i think that's all.  as
always, if anyone needs any michelle malone merchandise or any atlanta bands,
let me know... (especially michelle stuff b/c i see her all the time...)  i
would _love_ to get everyone a michelle malone cd next time i see her... now
that more of you have had a chance to see her, i know you need cd's! =)
those available are: "new experience", "for you not them", "redemption
dream" (band de soleil), and the swingin' christmas one.  also, i think i
have one "strange bird- the authorized bootleg" tape left.  maybe even two;
i'll have to check.  all signed and numbered. =)  you'll all need that for
such classics as "tanya tucker", "goldmind", and "i am a frog"... =)  and she
has tee shirts that are cute, cute, cute... (if you're a fan i recommend
getting the green one b/c it says band de soleil, and we all know that they
no longer exist...)  i am such a salesperson... they're not too expensive,
especially if i get a lot, so reply asap! =)  also, i'm going to the lift cd
signing thing this weekend, so if anyone needs the new album (signed) let me
know before saturday! =)  i think that's all for now... i must away and have
my day, but i look forward to hearing from _all_ of you! =)  i like e-mail,
and, even more, i like to spread the gospel of atlanta music, so everybody
buy michelle stuff! =)  peace, love, and apologies for lengthy posts, sarah
(the indigoddess)

deb reiser wrote:
>i really don't think a decision such as that should be made on behalf of
>nearly 1000 people. if individuals want to subscribe to it, they should be
>able to do so on their own. i recall a whole lot of po'd people several
>years ago when jude took over the list from stephen. they were
>automatically subscribed to the new list and weren't too happy about it.
>even though it's ig, i don't think anyone should assume that others want to
>be added to another list.

deb's got a good point.  i've read snippets of the archives from that
time, but i forgot about it until she mentioned it.  anyway, i've been
swayed.  those of you who want to join the list individually, you can do
it through a form on the web site, http://www.indigogirls.com.  i'm not
gonna be the one to subscribe 1000 people, especially since i don't know
how to do an "unsubscribe" for a listserv address.  <*grin*>

take care,
audrey

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"oouh la, la, la... bork bork bork! sheme-a oon yuoo"
-- amy ray and the swedish chef

>
> from: audrey beth stein <abstein@force.stwing.upenn.edu>
>
> i just revisited sony's ig web site and they have a mailing list now for
> updates and stuff. i'm not sure if it's new or i just missed it, but i
> was wondering if there's any reason why we *shouldn't* sign up this list
> for it?

i think it's a good idea _in principle_ to subscribe this list to the
official ig list so that one message comes to the whole list and we don't
have to have people endlessly forwarding theirs (if anyone ever gets
anything)

but but but - only the list owner should ever subscribe this list to
anything else. never an individual member of the list. so send the
idea to the list owner and if she wants to, she'll do it. for all we
know, maybe the list is subscribed already (since everyone says they've
never gotten anything).

mho,
alison

a dog, a plan, a canal - pagoda! alisont@netcom.com

yes, that really is jonatha brooke. check out:
http://www.cs.umd.edu/users/rager/story/audio/goodyear/index.html
(of course, it doesn't explain the most *important* part, which is what
*possessed* someone like her to do a stupid *tire* commercial, but aaanyway...)
kirsten

--
;kirsten chevalier-kirsten@spike.wellesley.edu-"every move you never made /---;
;every word you could not say / every cry you cried alone / can remain with us;
;instead / there's a bird for every sky / and a fish for every sea / and ;
;everything that's in between / is where it is / is what it is."--ferron------;

hey kind friends~

sorry for waste of space, but i think some might enjoy this piece:

janis joplin soc
ball and chain

i want somebody if they can tell me
tell me why?
just because i got to want your love
honey, just because i gotta need, need, need your love
i said, "i don't understand?"
honey, when i want to try and say "hi!"
try, try, try, try, try, try, try

honey when everyone in the world wants the same damn thing
when everyone in the world needs the same lonely thing
when i wanna work for your love daddy
when i wanna try for your love daddy
i don't understand how come.... you're gone, man???
i don't understand why half the world is still crying, man :*(
when the other half of the world is still crying too man
and it can't get it together :*(

i mean if you got a cat for one day man
i mean say maybe you want a cat for 365 days, right?
you ain't got him 365 days
you got him for one day man
well i tell you that one day, man, better be your life, man
because i mean cause you can cry about the other 364
but you're gonna lose that one day, man...and that's all you got!
you gotta call that love, man!
that's what it is, man!!

if you got it today, you don't wear it tommorrow, man!
cause you don't need it....
cause as matter of fact as we discovered on the terrain
tommorrow never happens, man....
it's all the _same_fucking_day_, man!!!

so when you want to hold somebody
you gotta hold em like it's the last minute of your life, baby!
you gotta hold em....cause someday
some weight is gonna come on your shoulders babe
it's gonna feel too heavy
it's gonna weigh on you
it's gonna feel just like a ball (oh daddy) and a chain

                                janis joplin~
                                b: 1/19/43  port arthur, texas
                                d: 10/4/70  of a heroin overdose

janis joplin overwhelmed audiences with the anger, passion, and
sexual intensity of her singing, a unique interpretation of blues styles.
as lead singer with the rock group big brother and the holding company, she
gained instant fame at the 1967 monterrey pop festival (along with jimi
hendrix), and her recordings, especially the song "me and bobby mcgee," were
widely popular.

related: also see james marshall "jimi" hendrix

that's my musical history lesson for da day! ;)

cool runnings~

okay...in my delete happy world, i called the 800 #....and then deleted it!!!!!!!!!! i'd appreciate it if someone would mail it to me privately...not waste any more space than i just did. thank you!!!!!

jennifer w.
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+

"we can't all, and some of us don't. that's all there is to it."

- - eeyore

n.j. list folks:

word is that ig will be playing at the venue formerly known as the garden
state arts center (now something like the pnc bank arts center) this
summer. i have heard/seen the date of 6/5 passed around, actually.

anyone who is familiar with the gsac and their summer concerts
knows that the powers that be put all the tickets on sale for every summer
show on the same day, causing mass hysteria throughout our little state...

this year, tickets go on sale on saturday may 3rd (a very important date
in history, btw...;-) ) the official list of the summer line-up will be
out in late april. according to the recording i just listened to, check
the sunday star-ledger (nj newspaper) on april 27th for complete details.

cynthia

elevators are our friends...

i think i've seen an increase in the length of some signature files.  some
sigs are longer then the e-mails!!  could we please cut down on the length
of the sigs?  it turns our digests into very lengthy manuals.

thanks,
- jen hall

============================
"and when you're learning to face
the path at your pace every choice
is worth your while." - emily saliers

okay!!! thanks, guys!!! i got it!!! = )

sorry for the waste of space!!!

jennifer w.

on tue, 25 mar 1997 hudsonvu@aol.com wrote:

> ''top 40 radio is a major goal for us with this record, which we think
> makes absolute sense. if you go to an indigo girls show, you will see people
> in the audience who clearly listen to top 40 radio. it's a matter of having
> the right single to work to that format.''
>
> lewis views ''shame on you'' as the ''right'' single.

pardon me for saying so, but this is the biggest load of crap i've read in
a long time! for shame on you to go top 40, listeners will have to either
ignore all the lyrics, or else agree with the fact that white people can
be racist, gay people are normal, and anti-immigration measuers are bogus.
if the percentage of the population that it takes to make a song go top-40
actually felt that way, the world would be a different place. thank you.

margaret

howdy folks. ~30 hours till ig in davenport and counting...

> > in the audience who clearly listen to top 40 radio. it's a matter of having
> > the right single to work to that format.''
> >
> > lewis views ''shame on you'' as the ''right'' single.
>
> pardon me for saying so, but this is the biggest load of crap i've read in
> a long time! for shame on you to go top 40, listeners will have to either
> ignore all the lyrics, or else agree with the fact that white people can
> be racist, gay people are normal, and anti-immigration measuers are bogus.

ok, first off let me say: correctomundo, and fantabulous point. _but_
(and i'm just playing devil's advocate here): i'm convinced that most of
the rest of the world never listens to lyrics. i know that's hard for
folks like us to believe, but i think it's true. for example: pearl jam
was _huge_ there for a while (probably still is, what do i know, i rarely
listen to the radio), and i don't know about any of you, but i never did
understand a word they were saying. but that never seemed to stop anyone
from liking them. example 2: i once heard a man dedicate the song "hold
on to the night" to his wife for their anniversary (that song was about
having an affair...duh!!). so it actually wouldn't surprise me if soy
became fairly popular and no one ever listened to the lyrics.

otoh, and along the same lines, i've actually been _listening_ to the
radio (alice 104.1 here in st. louis) in the hopes that they play soy.
i've called to request it twice, and the last time the dj said he'd play
it _if_ they had it. he never played it. so question #1: has anyone in
st. louis heard it on the radio yet? i still haven't heard the album
version!! question #2: considering the fact that this radio station
actually makes a point of playing 50% female vocalists, and they _still_
aren't playing ig, do you think it's possible that they're shying away
from this single because of the controversial lyrics, or because of the
line "the only thing that keeps us distant is that i keep fucking up."?
which brings me to question #3 which is: is that line in the released
single or do they have a "censored" version for those people who whither
and die when they hear dirty words?

with all this talk about soy being hyped as a "commercial" tune - has
anyone heard if there is a video in the can or being planned? i just
saw shawn colvin's (what's with her hair?) video over lunch and it made
me wonder.

that's all i got,
scott
--
and gentlemen in england now a-bed shall think themselves accursed they
were not here, and hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks that
fought with us upon saint crispian's day.

at 02:41 pm 3/27/97 -0600, lorinda wright wrote:
>i still haven't heard the album
>version!!

guys guys guys!!!! there's a great great thing they've done for us.. if you
have a sound card, go and download real audio. then go here:
http://www.epiccenter.com/epiccenter/docs/artistclips.qry?artistid=83

then click on the shaming of the sun thinger, and listen away to the brand
spankin new studio version of shame on you! wheeee!

>which brings me to question #3 which is: is that line in the released
>single or do they have a "censored" version for those people who whither
>and die when they hear dirty words?

the radio censors it when they play it. at least my tape of my station did. :)

merry thursday-but-just-like-friday-for-me-neener-neener,
raine

____________________________________________________
...."safe in the arms of love's discovery"..-ig-....
....................amy c sanders...................
..raine.......raine@area51.homecom.com.......raine..
..........http://area51.homecom.com/~raine..........
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hello everyone....

i just wanted to write about the show, because this is the only place that
i think others will understand what i am about to say...

ten years ago, when i was 13, i was introduced to ig music, their
womanhood, their activism. it was an influencial time in my life, a time
when i was dealing with a lot of issues, the time when i was discovering
my womanhood. amy and emily taught me a lot through their music. i grew
up knowing that if there were two women in the world who could get the
message out, it was ig.

amy and emily were on the "alternative" station yesterday, and a d.j.
there who knows me called me and told me they were doing a short live gig
in the studio.  he asked me if i wanted to talk to them on the phone.  i
said sure.  of course, i had to do it on the air, and i was so fucking
nervous.  remember the elevator thread?  well, let me tell you, it's
totally different, even if it's not face to face.  i just thanked them for
sharing their gift, thanked them for being strong women in the limelight.
of course, this station never plays their music, and the d.j. knows
nothing about them....so it was sort of ironic, but oh well.. they are
playing the single.

then comes the good part...

last night, i saw them for the first time. needless to say, it was a very
emotional experience, an experience which is incomprehensible to many
people i know. actually, most people have responded with "are you psycho?
it's just music, it's just a show, just a band...musicians hate people
like you..."

well, i'll tell you, i never dreamed it would be so perfect.  yeah, they
played all new music.  yeah, it was at this really religious college
(calvin college, you get the idea) so everytime you stood up to dance in
the aisles they told you to sit down.  well, they found in the opening
strains of chickenman that it was totally useless.  it was funny, because
it was in the fieldhouse, and there were chairs on the floor and the
bleachers were full...emily came out, looked at us, smiled and said, "you
all look like you're at a p.t.a. meeting."  tears started rolling down my
cheeks.

yeah, i may have been yelling louder, clapping harder and moving back and
forth during the whole thing.  i was singing along to all the songs i
knew.  i had to tell three girls next to me to please be quiet (they were
talking about how they all slept with the same guy), but they shut up.  i
think my autistic behavior scared them :)

i am so scattered...it was the most moving thing in my life. it was all i
dreamed it would be...amy broke 3 or 4 strings, one during chickenman and
one during cut it out i think...emily saying all of those witty things.
i've listened to all of my boots, i had an idea. afterward, i just sat
there, wondering what i was going to do until next time they played...

i have to go...thank you for reading and understanding...

love aim

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"is this still life all i'm good for too?
there by the window quietly killed for you
and they drive by like insects do
they think they don't know me
they hired a car for you..."
-brett anderson of the london suede-"still life"

"jesus, amy, don't you ever learn?"
-my infinitely-wise 19-year-old brother, nick

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hey everyone!!

so i'm having an unproductive day, just compulsively calling the 1-800
number and checking my email every twelve minutes, and i have a
question. what is the song after leeds? the snippets go like this:

shame on you
leeds
which one is this one??
dgtgag
get out the map

it's kinda mumbly, and i can't make out the lyrics. i think it might be
shed your skin, but i'm not sure, so if someone knows, could ya let me
know?

and also, did anyone else notice that the woman pronounced ulali wrong?
she said you-la-li, instead of oo-la-li. i thought it was oo-la-li, but
i can't remember shit (and am a proud member of that club) so i may be
wrong.

love, free phone calls, and short sigs,
sundara

okay...here i am in temperate tulsa, oklahoma. i can't begin to imagine which of the stations here in town would even consider playing shame on you. the alternative station is just this side of metal, the top 40s station is almost totally r&b, the "'70s, '80s & '90s" station just doesn't seem likely, and the tu station is your basic npr. the front runner would probably be the "adult contemporary" station...which is just this side of easy listening. *huge sigh* i don't know...it's upsetting. the girls are coming to play here, but is there a place for them to be heard outside the venue??? life is not fair...but no one ever said it was. could someone please say life is fair? then the precedent will have been set, and we can expect fairness. = )
okay...i'm just babbling now. sorry for the waste of space...again...*sigh*

jennifer w.

*who would love nothing more than to hear ptntf at the tulsa show, about tickets for which she still has no idea.*

>> pardon me for saying so, but this is the biggest load of crap i've read in
>> a long time! for shame on you to go top 40, listeners will have to either
>> ignore all the lyrics.

>ok, first off let me say: correctomundo, and fantabulous point. _but_
>(and i'm just playing devil's advocate here): i'm convinced that most of
>the rest of the world never listens to lyrics. i know that's hard for
>folks like us to believe, but i think it's true.

i agree with lorinda, devil's advocate or not. :) i can think of several
top 40 (hell, top 10) singles that had a controversial message. madonna's
"poppa don't preach" springs to mind immediately. i just woke up (yes it is
1 pm) :p so i am not thinking clearly but i had this discussion with
someone else a couple months ago about soy and i came up with a nice list
of songs that made it big but they had a political or controversial
message. wasn't pearl jam's song "jeremy" about child abuse? same with
suzanne vega's "luka" and 10,000 maniacs did "what's the matter here." you
wouldn't think that the general population would want to hear a song about
child abuse. the thing that sold the songs? the music! soy is quite catchy
-- it rocks. if the radio stations play it, it will be a hit. i hope so
anyway. but i don't think the lyrics will necessarily prevent soy (or
shaming of the sun) from being a hit. i see a lot of people being exposed
to ig after hearing the new singles and buying sots because they're
interested in hearing more. of course i don't understand how someone can
hear any ig song and not rush out to buy all their records. :)

>is that line in the released
>single or do they have a "censored" version for those people who whither
>and die when they hear dirty words?

from what people have been saying i gather epic is releasing the single
uncensored and it's up to the radio stations to censor it themselves.
people reported that kmtt in seattle first played the song uncensored and
the next day they played it censored so my best guess is they're leaving it
up to the radio station.

kristina

i'm old and i'm tired and i haven't been reading the digests very
closely lately, so this may be info that's already been offered, but
does anybody know of any dates the ig are playing on the lilith fair
tour? there is confirmation on the lilith fair site (www.lilithfair.com)
indicating that the ig, as well as other unbelievably talented women,
will be playing on the tour. no official dates on the site yet, but i
know of a couple of confirmed dates thru a friend in the business and
the ig are not on those dates/sites. also, have we got any newport
confirmation - gotta buy those airline tix soon! any southeast tour
dates besides atlanta? florida?

do tell...

amy

okay, my question has been answered. thanks!! the song is shed your
skin.
so if you call, you will hear bits of:

shame on you
leeds
shed your skin
don't give that girl a gun
get out the map

and just in case anyone missed it, again, the number is 1-800-742-7269.
and, you will hear the woman mispronounce ulali.

love,
sundara<-- who needs to get a life and stop calling

at 02:21 am 3/27/97 -0600, you wrote:
>i think i've seen an increase in the length of some signature files.  some
>sigs are longer then the e-mails!!  could we please cut down on the length
>of the sigs?  it turns our digests into very lengthy manuals.

thanks, jen. that's a great suggestion. i totally agree.

insert sig here

this is a final word for those who haven't heard or that never got my
previous message about meeting up before the davenport show tomorrow!  wow
that feels amazing to say!  the show is at 8 and some of us are meeting for
a very informal hi and hello at theo's java hut--a coffeehouse right around
the corner from the theater.  see map below (thanks again angela):

_______________________
|    ___3rd st.__entrance__
| b |
| r |                     great
| a | theo's            river
| d |                       hall
| y |____________________
|_____2nd st.__entrance__

people should start arriving at around 6-6:30 so just stop by if you want
anytime after that. if you have non-list friends that is fine. it's
totally just to say hi and get excited (and have a mochachino half caf
decaf if you so desire). come one come all. see y'all there.

greg

at 04:24 pm 3/27/97 est, you wrote:
>hey everyone!!
>
>so i'm having an unproductive day, just compulsively calling the 1-800
>number and checking my email every twelve minutes, and i have a
>question. what is the song after leeds? the snippets go like this:
>
>shame on you
>leeds
>which one is this one??

i think it is shed your skin
>dgtgag
>get out the map

i can just about bet what "inspired" her to do a stupid *tire* commercial--

my sister is an actress, and one commercial, if it runs
regularly--especially if it goes nationwide--can provide a very good income
for the duration that it runs. if you have one good commercial a year, you
really don't have to do anything else.

that commercial probably frees jonatha up to do a lot more of the things
she wants to do--like focus on her music--without worrying about things
like food and bills....

just a thought.

-rich (sbmfc charter member & official mentor)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
cobweb@grove.ufl.edu
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
my friends and i have had a tough time
bruising our brains hard up against change
all the old dogs and the magician
-e. saliers
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

in response to margaret who wrote:

> >> pardon me for saying so, but this is the biggest load of crap i've read in
> >> a long time! for shame on you to go top 40, listeners will have to either
> >> ignore all the lyrics.

kristina made the point:

> songs that made it big but they had a political or controversial
> wasn't pearl jam's song "jeremy" about child abuse? same with
> suzanne vega's "luka" and 10,000 maniacs did "what's the matter here." you
> wouldn't think that the general population would want to hear a song about
> child abuse.

actually, i would think the general population would want to hear songs
about child abuse.  child abuse is an issue which most people, top 40
radio listeners included, can agree upon.  it is a "politically correct"
issue to discuss in mainstream media.  i think people were well aware of
the message in many of the songs you quoted, and felt they were suddenly
attached to a worthy cause by supporting them.

immigration laws and gay rights, on the other hand, are not quite in the
same position as issues for the straight white american population. these
are the issues that sots deals with in what seems to be a very "in your face"
manner. so, i'm with margaret....unless poeple turn off their brains entirely
while listening (which does indeed happen far too often), then
the likes of soy will not be top 40.

karen

hey...anybody here (besides me) going to the ft. worth show? e-mail
me...maybe we can meet and it'll be a happy little nice added bonus!

justin

is this venue in s. jersey or way up north?
ben

ha!
      had you fooled!  i'm actually _not_ mary lou retton, and i certainly
don't play her on tv! =)  and i'm not the cranberries, either, but i can be
just as cool as they are and not capitalise... anyhow, sorry for being such a
poster child today <g>, but i can't really do much right now b/c of some
minor problems with my brain that are keeping me from doing everything i
normally do, like work... _any_how, i just wanted a sarah/sara tally.  i'm
noticing more and more of you, and pretty soon we're going to have to start
numbering a la chris!  that's all... let me see if i can think of anything
worthwhile... oh!  does anyone know if there's a less expensive way to mail
magazines, because it seems i'm losing much cash on this "atlanta" magazine
deal, and i just can't afford that! :0  okay, i just read another dream, so i
have to mention mine... it was a while ago, but this is what i remember.  a
friend (hi, katherine! =)  ) and i were selling merchandise at an ig show.
first of all, it wasn't really merchandise; it was more like a concession
stand.  and the girls only gave us about five jolly ranchers to sell, which
we were sure would not be enough...  they were opening for melissa etheridge,
of all things, and i just remember the setlist going like this: "galileo",
then "tanya tucker"- a tune they ripped off of michelle malone, then "land of
canaan", "blood and fire", then "i want your sex", by george michael... it
was interesting... the next day i was recounting the dream and i told my
friend that i wish i'd booted, because ig does a _killer_ version of iwys!
(sometimes my reality gets a tad blurry...)  tra la la... off to find out if
i have anything else new to read... i'm b-o-r-e-d. =]  peace, love, and
butter biscuits, sarah

> before anyone asks i will not dub this cd, i don't believe in making
> dubs of commerical albums, thats how they earn their living !

i'm a newbie to the list, but i'm on the course of empire list where
we had a discussion similar to this.  i think that your decision is
admirable, but you must consider that if someone gets a
dub/bootleg/whatever you want to call it, then when the real album
actually comes out, the real fans will still buy it.  (at least one
would hope, and that one would be me.)  btw - i'm not asking for a
copy.

    long live thomas cole's paintings!!!
    the "ben"
    benjamin inn

hello all,

caroline aiken's show in louisville this saturday was left off of the
schedule that was just posted. so, here's another date:

march 29, 1997: twice told coffeehouse, louisville, ky (502) 456-0507

hope some of you can make it. thanks.

i just noticed that shaming of the sun is on the critics pick list on the
rolling stone web site.

here's their little review. i admire the way they spend half of the
supposedly positive review trashing ig, and i'm pleased to see that
rolling stone still doesn't know what "laden" means. (they previously
called leeds "piano-laden" ....)

oh - and this is all that i could find - do they usually just do little
blurbs like this, or do they probably have a full review in the full
magazine? anyone subscribe?

--------------------------------------------------------

playlist by david basham, assistant editor

indigo girls
"shaming of the sun"
(epic)

despite the downright-annoying
catchiness that made "closer to fine" a
folk-rock anthem and the occasional
political prattle that earned this duo the
well-deserved "indignant girls" tag, the
indigo girls continue to produce
genuinely compelling music -- complete
with an intellectual spine. after
expanding the group dynamics on the
electric guitar-laden "swamp ophelia,"
troubadours amy ray and emily sailers
head west for "shaming of the sun" and
return with an experimental batch of
dreamy rock tunes that are about as folk
as bruce springsteen.

a dog, a plan, a canal - pagoda! alisont@netcom.com

i tried to call the 1-800 ig number and got a recording saying that my
call could not be completed as dialed.  so...i dialed again and got the same
recording.  i dialed 1-800-742-2262.  did i by chance copy the number down
incorrectly?  could some kind soul e-mail me with the correct number? :)

peace and marshmallow peeps, <g>

joan :-d

someone posted a message today about michelle malone playing at a place
called "d's" in chattanooga friday night.  i called the chattanooga directory
assistance and the only thing close to that they had a listing for was a
"dee's sportsbar" or something like that.  when i called that number and asked
if michelle malone would be playing tomorrow night, this redneck-sounding
fella told me i must have the wrong number!  could whoever posted that message
(sorry, i deleted it after i read it), *please* e-mail me with the details?

peace and last-minute road trips...

joan :-d

hi all
just a couple of random late night thoughts....
i always liked the idea of radio stations having "no repeat workdays"
until now that is! only one playing of soy per day

knowing how amy plays guitar the idea of her playing drums
in the other group makes me a little nervous for the drum kit
gynergy

to be what you are is one thing
to be what you want--now that's something else
ferron "sunken city"

http://members.aol.com/gynergy/index.html

ok, never mind...i just read sundara's message with the 1-800, so i apparently
either copied it down incorrectly the other day or something...

*hiding under a rock now*

joan :p

dont read this if you dont want to be jealous.

by some act of god, i have a tape of the new album! woohoo, go me. hey
jennifer, life is fair! okay, i'm sorry for the gloating. i really would
like all of you to hear it too but im afraid i shouldnt dub it for
several reasons, especially since no one else will either and i cant
handle everyones requests. its worth the wait, y'all.

everyone: this album is very very different from anything they've ever
done before, so be warned. i think i can really hear influences of jcs
and honor on this new album. it also reminds me of ani difranco's
dilate. it seems they're trying to experiment a lot with new technology
and instruments. anyways, like it or not, the new album really rocks.
it just takes a couple of listenings to get used to.

shame on you - fast, high energy, sleek. mostly just electric guitars
and a banjo and drums. no ulali here. just a bunch of ooh-la-la's.

get out the map - starts with bongos. then the banjo and emily come in.
this is a really strong song. lots of backup singers on the "get out the
map" part. strong bass line too.

shed your skin- this is where it gets weird. drum sequencing. sampling.
people screaming in the background. is this indigo girls or nine inch
nails? this song rocks! you wont believe your ears. beautiful lyrics.
watch out for mosh pits at the concerts after this one.

it's alright - another fast, sleek song. this songs beat is overpowering
and carries it along very quickly. very different from the demo tour
versions, in my opinion. maybe too fast. accoustic guitars making a
comeback in this one but can barely be heard over the drums and electric
guitars.

cara mia - dramatic. very. what does it mean though? this song is full
of climaxes. lots of symbol crashes and cellos and stuff. echoing and
layering vocals.

don't give that girl a gun - powerful as expected. heavy drums and
accoustic guitar. some electric sounds. more symbol crashes. "i'm your
fool."

leeds - definitely leaves you wanting more piano songs. emily is great
on this. ulali is everywhere and very striking. amazing.

scooter boys - rocks like we expected. has a haunting sound though. more
rock n roll than anything else.

everything in its own time - one of the only slow songs. lots of
different instruments.

cut it out - another haunting song. is that turntables i hear? go dj
jazzy amy. one of my favorites.

burn all the letters - early on, this is my favorite one. fresh and
unique and lots of layering of vocals. y'all are going to love it i just
know it. it sounds more like their old least complicated selves in my
opinion, but it also has a lot of ulali. i can't wait for you guys to
hear it.

hey kind friend - the only song that i think they messed up by
experimenting with. i don't like it much. replaces cedar tree in the
skip-it-if-i-had-to argument. i like the horns though. there's some old
guy talking at the end. it's strange. the last words are the old guy
saying "see ya later"

well, those are my initial thoughts. let this be a lesson to you guys:
make friends with someone who works at a radio station. another thing,
the guy i got this from said they wouldnt play shame on you because they
dont have an edited version, and besides his boss "doesn't like indigo
girls." oh well, i never listen to the radio anyway.

any questions?
david
==
davidsrogers
dsrogers@utk.edu
http://www.geocities.com/collegepark/quad/2379
"thinking crazy thoughts like it was going to set me free"

in a message dated 97-03-27 20:08:58 est, alisont@netcom.com (a. taub)
writes:

<< and the occasional
political prattle that earned this duo the
well-deserved "indignant girls" tag, >>

"indignant girls" never heard that one before, but i kinda like it. i know
the reviewer meant it negatively, but i'll take it as a tiny bit of hope that
the message is actually getting out to some people.

west of bishes
shana (jak)

hi, all,

i'm posting my complete list of boots. (sorry to all the other digest
readers for the length.)

i'm offering to make dubs for any newbie. i'll also consider trades with
anyone else whose got interesting stuff (especially the new tour!) that i
don't already have, but the newbies are the first priority. e-mail me
if you're interested.

if i get too swamped, i'll cut off the offer, but since there's been a
couple of other offers lately, i might be okay. if there's extremely
high demand for a certain few, i might ask the tape tree god[desse]s to
help me set something up.

i'd like to thank the mighty carolyn underdog, lisa mayne, and anyone
else who gave me boots to start trading with. here's me passing it on.

my list:
______________________________
b band: tuesday's children
amy ray: color me grey
blue food
crazy game/ep/wrek
purple parrot
white dot
no curfews
the dugout
shades of indigo
history of us
blood and fire
in with the out crowd
stream of consciousness (mine's cut off, so i'd suggest looking elsewhere)
red light cafe- february 25, 1996
no jazz festival- may 2, 1996
no jazz festival- may 4, 1996
atlanta pride- june 30, 1996
newport folk festival- august 11, 1996
las cruces- august 24, 1996
bumbershoot, august 30, 1996
mapped

related:
melissa etheridge/michelle malone
1993 bridge school benefit: melissa, bonnie raitt, simon & garfunkel, etc.
(2 tapes)

---

b band: tuesday's children - 1981                               60 min
    a:
        wysteria (dan fogelberg), carolina on my mind (james taylor),
        junkie's lament (michael timmons), her town too (james taylor),
        house at pooh corner (loggins & messina), danny's song
        (loggins & messina), rock me on the water (jackson browne),
        father and son
        (cat stevens)
    b:
        come down in time (?), it's too late (carole king), you've got a
        friend (carole king), dancing shoes (dan fogelberg), long ago far
        away (james taylor), back together again (emily), a heart in
        new york (paul simon), tuesday's children (amy & emily)

amy ray: color me grey - 1982                                   60 min
    a:
        scared to say we're friends, nashville, fallin' star, carry me away,
        anyway i love you, clues to you, always be there, color me grey
    b:
        free through eternity, passin' time, losin' touch, erase the pain,
        anyone but myself

blue food - the dugout, 1985                                    60 min
    a:
        if you live like that (amy & emily), crazy game (emily), holy city
        (amy), weakness in me (joan armatrading), never stop (amy), peace
        song (emily), draw the line (amy), nashville (amy)
    b:
        malachy's (terry & maggie roche), the untitled song (emily),
        running from the cold (amy), no way to treat a friend (amy),
        i wanna be your lover (words: emily, music: amy), american tune
        (paul simon)
    missing:
        everybody's waiting (amy)

crazy game/ep/wrek                                              90 min
    a:
      crazy game single:
        crazy game, everybody's waiting
      ep:
        land of canaan, lifeblood (emily), history of us, never stop,
        cold as ice (amy), finlandia (sibelius)
      wrek atlanta 3-17-88:
        don't give up on me baby(?) walk away
    b:
      wrek (cont'd):
        thin line(gerard mchugh), mona lisas and mad hatters (elton john &
        bernie taupin), half moon cafe (emily), hand me downs, nashville,
        the untitled song, welcome me, love of the common people (?)
      radio show (unknown time and place)
        ballad of squeaky fromme (amy)

purple parrot- atlanta, 1987                                    90 min
    a:
        no way to treat a friend, if you live like that, weakness in me,
        love of the common people, house at pooh corner, danny's song,
        holy city, never stop, hammond song (roches), drift away (doby gray)
    b:
        love the one you're with (steven stills), draw the line, girls talk
        (elvis costello), the water is wide (trad?), the untitled song,
        everybody's waiting, crazy game, up on the roof (?), country road (?),
        it's too late

white dot- atlanta, march 16, 1987                              60 min
    a:
        prince of darkness, cold as ice, make it easier, secure yourself,
        up in smoke (?), pushing the needle too far
    b:
        summertime (gershwin), walk away, beauty to disaster (amy), land of
        canaan, mandy (barry manilow - partial), high horse (amy?),
        all along the watchtower (bob dylan)

no curfews (various shows 1988-1995)                            90 min
    a:
        ballad of squeaky fromme, southland in the springtime, prince of
        darkness, everybody's waiting, chickenman, romeo & juliet
        (mark knopfler), the woman in me (?), the water is wide, i wanna be
        your lover, love's recovery
    b:
        no way to treat a friend, weakness in me, holy city, hey jesus,
        pushin' the needle too far, play it again sam (?), fugitive,
        down by the river (neil young), reunion, closer to fine

the dugout- atlanta, 1989                                       60 min
    a:
        up on the roof, summer-highland falls (billy joel), the untitled
        song, rock me on the water, draw the line, no way to treat a friend,
        crazy game
    b:
        romeo & juliet, love the one you're with, if you live like that,
        nashville, fire and rain, drift away, up on the roof

shades of indigo                                                90 min
    a:
      interviews with shaun colvin between songs
        1-2-3, southland in the springtime, hammer and a nail, melissa
        (allman brothers), watershed, pushing the needle too far
    b:
        you and me of the 10,000 wars, daddy's all gone (?)
      general food's int'l coffeehouse sessions
        [interview]
      fillers:
      promo
        watershed
      nojf, may 2, 1996
        southland in the springtime

history of us- atlanta, 1989 & denver, 1990, & oregon, 1993     90 min
    a:
      studio, 1994
        least complicated
      oregon, 1993
        galileo, joking, welcome me, hammer and a nail, virginia woolf,
        pushing the needle too far, prince of darkness, chickenman
    b:
        closer to fine
      denver 1990
        melissa
      atlanta 1989
        land of canaan, love of the common people, crazy game, mona lisa
        and mad hatters,
      missing: american tune
      fillers:
      from jesus christ superstar: a resurrection
        poor jerusalem (sung by amy),i don't know how to love him (sung
        by emily)
      live (?):
        don't think twice it's all right (bob dylan, sung with joan baez),
        thin line (gerard mchugh, sung by him)

blood and fire- eugene, august 21-22, 1993                      90 min
    a: august 21
        closer to fine, land of canaan, ghost, chickenman, watershed,
        galileo, all along the watchtower, american tune, get together
        (chet powers)
    b: august 22
        hammer and a nail, virginia woolf, pushing the needle too far,
        prince of darkness, kid fears, mona lisa and mad hatters
      fillers:
       from deadicated:
        uncle john's band (words: robert hunter, music: jerry garcia)
       from spirit of '73:
        it won't take long (ferron)

in with the out crowd- shepard's bush empire, london, nov 1994  90 min
                       glastonbury festival, june 24, 1995
    a:
      london:
        fugitive, galileo, hammer and a nail, this train revised,
        least complicated, ghost, chickenman, kid fears
    b:
        closer to fine
      glastonbury:
        bury my heart at wounded knee (buffy st. marie), power of two,
        closer to fine, three hits
      studio acoustic:
        cortez the killer (neil young)
      fillers:
       studio acoustic:
        dead man's hill, mystery
       atlanta, dec 12, 1994:
        keep rockin' in the free world (neil young, played with k's choice)
       sweet relief ii:
        free of hope (vic chestnutt)

soc (stream of consciousness)                                   100 min
    a:
        chickenman 4/26/95, touch me fall 8/7/94, chickenman 2/7/95,
        all along the watchtower 8/22/93, this train revised 12/11/94
    b:
        chickenman 2/24/95, chickenman 11/?/94, chickenman 4/15/95,
        pushing the needle too far- shades of indigo

red light cafe- atlanta, feb 25, 1996                           90 min
cooper seay, michelle malone, amy & emily
    a:
        like a woman (cooper), hamlet went swimming (michelle) with
        partial black water (tom johnston), don't give that girl a gun (amy),
        going to the country (emily), silver bullets (cooper),
        medicated magdalene (michelle), ballad of squeaky fromme (amy),
        cara mia (emily), in the afternoon (cooper), dimming soul (michelle)
    b:
        cut it out (amy), for free (emily, by joni mitchell), free of
        hope -- partial (amy & emily, by vic chestnutt)
      amy at rainy day records, dec 31, 1994:
        lincoln duncan (paul simon), problem child (amy)

no jazz festival- may 2, 1996                                   90 min
    a:
        galileo, reunion, southland in the springtime, power of two,
        this train revised, the wood song, don't give that girl a gun,
        crazy game, tried to be true, closer to fine
    b:
        blood quantum (amy?), chiapas bound (amy), three hits, least
        complicated, thin line, shame on you (amy), finlandia

no jazz festival- kiefer uno lakefront arena, may 4, 1996       90 min
    a:
        thin line, the wood song, this train revised, power of two,
        don't give that girl a gun, least complicated, nashville,
        get out the map (emily), chiapas bound
    b:
        closer to fine, shame on you, crazy game, tried to be true, galileo,
        don't think twice (bob dylan, sung with joan baez), wild horses
        (jagger/richards?, sung with michelle malone), finlandia (sung with
        joan baez)

atlanta pride- june 30, 1996                                    110 min
    a:
      hash (emily's band):
        keep on growin', fool for your love, levon (elton john),
        high horse (sung with amy)
      indigo girls:
        galileo, chickenman, get out the map, same lost tribe (rache
        alpert?, sung with her)
    b:
        shame on you, southern man (neil young, sung with kristen hall),
        wild horses (sung with michelle malone)
      viva la diva (cooper seay's band):
        silver bullets, like a woman, in the afternoon, ultra angel, mccartney

newport folk festival- august 11, 1996                          100 min
    a:
        least complicated, don't give that girl a gun, get out the map,
        tried to be true, wild horses, bury my heart at wounded knee,
        the edge (michelle malone, sung by her), shame on you
    b:
        winthrop (emily), hey kind friend (amy), it's alright (emily),
        chiapas bound, i don't wanna know, galileo, down by the river,
        closer to fine

las cruces, nm- august 24, 1996                                 90 min
    a:
        least complicated, hand me downs, it's alright, hey kind friend,
        get out the map, tried to be true, winthrop, don't give that
        girl a gun, everything in it's own time, bury my heart at wounded knee
    b:
        cara mia, chiapas bound, ghost, cut it out, reunion, galileo,
        shame on you, closer to fine

bumbershoot- seattle, august 31, 1996                           90 min
    a:
        reunion, least complicated, don't give that girl a gun, prince
        of darkness, get out the map, cut it out, leeds (emily), tried to
        be true, kid fears
    b:
        hey kind friend, it's alright, the wood song, winthrop, chickenman,
        galileo, shame on you, closer to fine

mapped- new songs, compiled by sundara                          90 min
    a:
        it's alright, don't give that girl a gun, winthrop, get out the map,
        everything in it's own time, hey kind friend, shame on you,
        don't give that girl a gun, it's alright, chiapas bound
    b:
        get out the map, cut it out, cara mia, chiapas bound, leeds,
        don't give that girl a gun, get out the map, shame on you,
        closer to fine

melissa etheridge/michelle malone                               90 min
    a:
      me - texas music festival (date unknown):
        change, you must be crazy for me, yes i am, piece of my heart
        (janis joplin)
      me - la area, radio?, date unknown:
        me & bobby mcgee (kris kristofferson)
    b:
      mm - mountain stage (date unknown):
        twice in a lifetime, new experience, the edge, 32 seconds
      me - time & place unknown:
        santa claus is coming to town
      me & ig - time & place unknown:
        kid fears, summertime

bridge school benefit vii - shoreline amphitheater,
mountain view ca, november, 1993                                2x90 min
    a:
      neil young:
        sugar mountain, mother earth, natural anthem
      melissa etheridge:
        come to my window, you can sleep while i drive, somebody bring
        me some water, piece of my heart
      warren zevon:
        shores of pontchartrain (trad.), searching for a heart, splendid
        isolation (sung with neil young), tenderness on the block
    b:
        frank & jesse james, werewolves of london
      anne & nancy wilson:
        battle of evermore (jimmy page), dreamboat annie, these dreams,
        love hurts (?), ring them bells (trad?)
      sammy hagar & eddie van halen:
        the love (sammy solo), love walks in, right now
    c:
        best of both worlds
      bonnie raitt:
        the road's my middle name (?), nobody's girl (?), angel from
        montgomery (john prine), have mercy on my little child (?),
        walking blues (?), thing called love (missing), love has no pride
      neil young:
        stranger in paradise, after the goldrush, train of love
      simon & garfunkel:
        the boxer, america, homeward bound, mrs. robinson, scarborough
        faire, 59th st.  bridge song, bridge over troubled water,
        sounds of silence (played with eddie van halen)
      all:
        rockin' in the free world

enjoy,
tom

---
tomcat ____     i thought i'd seen someone who seemed at last
       \ _/__   to know the truth
        \\  /   i was mistaken
          \/    only a child laughing in the sun
                     -- david crosby

in a message dated 97-03-27 15:43:05 est, wright@biodec.wustl.edu (lorinda
wright) writes:

<< example 2: i once heard a man dedicate the song "hold
on to the night" to his wife for their anniversary (that song was about
having an affair...duh!!). >>

another example came from my senior prom committee. one song up for "prom
song" was today by smashing pumpkins. when i went to the head and explained
to them this song was about suicide they looked at me like i was crazy. some
people...i'll just never understand???????

smiles : )
annemarie

*during a new york showing of english patient, as ralph fiennes was walking
through the desert someone in the audience stood up and shouted
"why don't you just die already."

hee hee!!!

hey-
  i just learned romeo and juliet today, and thought i'd let some of you in
on a secret to ig guitar music.  there's a spot where you can get guitar
music.  it's:
                                  http://www.teleport.com/~skibum/guitar.shtml
just a question, everyone that writes seems to be somewhere other than near
indiana.  anyone from indiana.  i am, unfortunatley, southern indiana as a
matter of fact.  i was just wondering.  there has to be someone that's near
where i live out of almost 1000 people.
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"don't critisize what you can't understand."  b.dylan
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                                                 -kate

here's the latest list that i got from max slover. please note that the nj
show is indeed confirmed no matter what the venue is telling you :)

deb

below is the most current dates as gather from sources on the net and
from the booking agency monterey peninsula artists.

note...the duke concert has been elimanited. i don't think they actually
had that one set in stone.

max...

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"some people are so narrow minded that they can look through a keyhole
            with both eyes at the same time" -- zig ziglar
max slover                                         www.crl.com/~indigo
indigo@crl.com         mjslover@icon-stl.net       wxcr97a@prodigy.com
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all dates are subject to change                                   03/27/97
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date city/st             venue                                   codes
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03/28 davenport ia        great river hall, augustana college       c

04/04 eugene or           hult center's silva theatre, u of oregon  c s
04/09 tulsa ok            expo square pavillion, u of tulsa         c
04/10 fort worth tx       will rogers aud. texus christian u        c
04/12 durham nh           snivley arena, u. of new hampshire        c2
04/13 waterville me       wadsworth fieldhouse, colby college       c2
04/15 university park pa  recreation hall, penn state               c2
04/16 norton ma           outdoor quad, wheaton college             c2
04/19 philadelphia pa     mccarthy stad., lasalle u                 c2
04/20 washington d.c.     bender arena, american u                  c*2
04/25 auburn al           beard eaves memorial col., auburn         c

05/23 atlanta ga          chastain park ampitheatre                 c
05/24 "        "          "                       "                 c
05/27 richmond va         classic ampitheatre, va state fair        c
05/28 vienna va           wolf trap                                 c
05/29 "       "           "        "                                c
05/30 philadelphia pa     mann music center stadium                 c
05/31 hartford ct         meadows music theatre                     c

06/05 holmdel nj          pnc bank arts center                      c
06/07 saratoga springs ny saratoga performing arts center           c
06/12 cuyahoga falls oh   blossom music center                      c
06/13 kettering oh        fraze pavilion                            c
06/14 clarkston mi        pine knob music theatre                   c

07/02 los angelos ca greek theatre c

opening acts
1. ferron
2. lift

_________________________________________________________________

codes c=confirmed date through monterey peninsula artists
        (mpa) (3/27/97)
      c=dates shown in the fan club mailing or gathered from
        other sources but not confirmed with mpa as of 3/25/97
      u=unconfirmed date
      s=sold out (if anyone knows which ones are please write me)
      *=private concert...student/faculty/staff only

all other info compiled from independant resources
be sure to contact venues or ticketing agencies to verify dates and
ticket sales.

*free distribution of this list is welcome but please credit author
(indigo@crl.com)*

... is now mediamongr@juno.com...

i've lost touch with a buncha people...i went a little delete happy a
while back...oops.  i do miss ya, but i can barely keep up, even on
digest.  write me here to chat.  heck, write me even if we've never met.
i'm easy .. heh heh.  been doing irc a lot and not spending the hours
reading ig mail like i used to.  (though i'm just about to dial up that
800 number <grin>)

special hullos to jude h, mmedido, and mg. and auntb-hey (sorta)
neighbor! very special hullos to other lurker-types (you know who you are
; > ) oh yeah - and thanks to mark anthony d- b/c he's the person i heard
of juno from *so there* : p

--loried, an "adult" student <heh> whose english prof, thought loried was
a funny address..you know, like past tense of a verb.  oh yeah -- he was
kinda funny.  we were reading some ol' literature that mentioned
"outrageous fortune."  forget what it was, but it was written
pre-shakespeare.  and this prof. is a shakespeare expert/fan.  and he was
wondering whether shakespeare had read this other guy (can't 'member the
name, too lazy to look it up).  anyway it was pretty cool seeing this
shakespeare fan wondering about the possible influences of shakespeare.
kinda like some of us do from time to time, re: ig lyrics.  like any
tangent is interesting, if you're a fan.

====
tony mendina - i'm really late sending you that tape out. i apologize
now...bad mongr : ( howzyerarm?

could someone please send me a copy of the amy article in atlanta
magazine. i some how deleted it...damn me!
thank you(maybe)
ben

hey y'all,
this sounds like a pretty cool interview, and if someone would send me a
copy (for a blank tape trade) then i'd transcribe it for the list.
anyone have the tape?
donna

well, color me post-happy today!

i've been discussing some of audre lorde's poems with another listee, and
she noticed that these lines:

but i never was one
for losing
what i couldn't afford
from the beginning

sound a lot like and indigo girl song, but neither of us can figure out
which one. so if anyone can figure out what song has something similar
to this in it, could you let me know? i'll be your best friend. :)

oh, and the lines are from "and don't think i won't be waiting" i'll
send it to anyone who wants to read the whole poem, just let me know.

love,
sundara<-- who just made the yummiest artichoke heart marinara sauce and
is quite proud of herself for creating her very own recipe

if anyone is online and knows this number please send it to me ...i am dying
thanks josh

shortened mine!
--s

~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
     sara mccutchen                       "love forgot to make me too blind
  10-22-502 ikeda-cho                        to see"  --jane siberry
nishinomiya-shi, hyogo-ken
      662    japan                http://members.tripod.com/~sbeth/index.html
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
~*

i just got some great boots from sue (many thanks!) and there is a song on
studio outtakes called "no way to treat a friend"--is this theirs? it
rocks...i love harmonicas and it is so jammin!

--s

i know that this has nothing to do with ig, but this is a band that some of
you may or may not know about, but if not...i just heard about them. they
sound kinda neat...the addy if you want to hear a few sound clips is--->
http://www.omnium.com/2011.html

this may be something some people may be interested in...if not...sorry for
the bw!!!

peace
tucker

march---
1 ---- andy's, chestertown, md
     12 ---- , hornby island, bc
     13 ---- rogue folk club, wise hall, vancouver, bc
     14 ---- cowichan folk guild, duncan, bc
     15 ---- utopia, nelson, bc
     16 ---- tractor tavern, seattle, wa
     17 ---- traditions cafe, olympia, wa
     18 ---- pendleton convention center, pendleton, or
     20 ---- morgan's, monterey, ca
     21 ---- freight & salvage, berkeley, ca
     22 ---- living traditions, anaheim, ca
     24 ---- coyote creek cafe, sonora, ca
     25 ---- oakhurst lutheran church, oakhurst, ca
     26 ---- high country cafe, mariposa, ca
     27 ---- the ash grove,santa monica, ca
     29 ---- thomas paine coffeehouse, san diego, ca (possible live, t1 internet
     broadcast)
     30 ---- kpfk folk scene radio interview, los angeles, ca

april, 1997

      4 ---- kirkland arts center, clinton, ny
      6 ---- black sheep cafe, amherst, ma
     11 ---- bull run restaurant, shirley, ma (great sounding room)
     12 ---- college of the atlantic, bar harbor, me

next tours:

     june ---- england
     26 ---- redditch festival, redditch, england
     29 ---- howth festival of american music, howth, england
     july ---- usa
     12 ---- columbia folk festival, lancaster, county, pa

********************************
you have to laugh at yourself
because you'd cry your eyes out
if you didn't
---ig
*******************************

in a message dated 97-03-27 15:43:05 est, dr. lorinda writes:

<< from this single because of the controversial lyrics, or because of the
line "the only thing that keeps us distant is that i keep fucking up."?
which brings me to question >>

i was thinking about that too...but then...that seems to actually make
a song more alluring.... i am reminded of a certain canadian singer
who doesn't know the proper definition of the word "ironic" ;)
i actually tried to listen to kmtt to hear soy but i just don' have the
patience.
on the other hand kaos (plug-plug) played yet another cut off of honor 1
the other day (lawyers guns and drugs).
anyway i did seem to hear u2 and sheryl crow every time i tuned in
oh...and that song by paula cole where she is looking for her 'fuzzy sock'.
hmmmm....
i wonder about this thing i read in billboard where mtv is changing
musical programing to suit the "we just want to be happy because life is
good in america" mood of the 'culture' (right..)
well you know...facing up to our dirty little secrets is such a downer.

speaking of which... a group from evergreen has gone down to
big mountain to resist the forced relocation of the dineh which
is supposed to take place on march 30 (?)...
they have sponsored showings of the film 'broken rainbow" on our
comunity access station...devestating..... i'm trying to find out more
about the current situation.. i've checked hte's website and done
a search...but have come up empty on the current news...does anybody
know anything more about this and what gov't entity to write ????

happy happy !
luv,
claire

just wanted to share with you all my joy at putting on a fabulous take
back the night at my university (usc!!) i managed to slip some ig into the
music at the opening ceremony, and a bunch of people asked me who the cool
singers were :) :) :) last year (the first year of tbtn) we had 30 people
show. this year we had 350!! next year we are getting ani difranco to
perform, so it should be even cooler! if it all goes through for next
year, i'll keep in contact and help listees to get tickets if they like!
have a happy day!

emily

here's your free advice for the day:
pick up the new nanci griffith cd _blue roses from the moons_

ig connection:
although i haven't heard any of the new ig album, i've read the
press flack about their "new direction," and i've also noticed
some list postings here making a similar point. aside from
the inherent musical quality of brftms as a cd, it is also
generating a lot of fan polarity because it does mark a "new
direction" for nanci; i look forward to comparing the nancinuts
polarity with that which will probably ensue amongst the ig faithful
once sts hits the street.

ps:
pet peeve--
am i the only one who hates it when someone has a question such as
"has anyone heard anything about tour dates"  and the subject heading
for their post says "tour dates."  granted, it virtually ensures that
i'll look at that post, but is that really the intent?
--
one hundred percent of the shots that you don't take don't go in.
       --wayne gretzky
---------------------------
junk mail? you keep it!
david a perham
bbn systems & technologies
9655 granite ridge drive #245
san diego, ca 92123
voice: (619) 495-2632
fax:   (619) 495-7313
---------------------------

a 2:30 in the morning album review. i've never reviewed an album
before..but hey..why not.

shame on you - i only have a dub of the cd. i'm wondering if the speed of
my deck vs. the deck of the person who taped for me isn't a little
different..which i know is common with decks..but anyway..the production
struck me right off. for the first time, it's hard to understand the
lyrics on many of the songs. they seem to be slightly less impacting than
the music, and certainly fuzzy. shame on you is a wonderful song..but
hearing it live vs the album...i'll take live. it's very stream lined and
loses some of those toe curling amy soul inflictions..for example on the
'we were on the same boat' line for those of you that've heard it. damn
i'm typing slow tonight..songs over..must move on :)

get it out map - get out the smiles. emily shines throughout the
album..and i'm amy person sure as i'd like to feed newt a shovel full of
laxatives. this song will have you dancing to your car and singing down
the road..solid..melodic..sweet..grinning..picking..yeeeeeehaw

shed your skin - wrex in effex rump shakin beginning. amy takes her voice
for a walk on the ani side. not with ani's range..but with rock hard
rhythm. lots of sampling...a very full sound which is also characteristic
of the rest of the album. whereever you fall through the main groove, you
are caught by the undercurrent...come on over babe

it's alright - more refreshing emily. this song spear heads an over all
ass kicking attitude that pervades all the songs. on swamp the girls
beautifully articulated the trials and tribulations of fame i.e.
fugitive, power of two and so on..but this album is more of a 'i got over
it' album..they seem to have a firm grasp on the fame experience and sing
songs of peace of mind. kinda makes you feel more comfortable with the
world.

cara mia - the beginning is a little akward..but i think this is emily's
fugitive...it's an epic and my favorite song on the album..oh my..an
emily song..will i burst into a ball of twine...earth and space and climax
and recover and a bad line about choking and lots of good lines that make
you forget about the bad one. a love song that climbs mountains and calls
out at the top to the world and then curls into a ball and rolls down the
other side. must be listened to with no lights on..lying on your
back..loud with a shot of angst and a passion chaser.

don't give that girl a gun - i thought it was repetitious when i heard it
live..but amy fine tuned it wonderfully..solid..a stale romeo and juliet..
she loves to sing it..walks that fine amy line of 'i want to explode but i
won't just yet' ... one of a few songs that directly address issues in the
girl's recent pasts. a really cool background vocal track to take us home.

leeds - same lyrical quality as ghost..but not about love. a couple brash
background vocals interjected that are either appealing or annoying
depending on your mood. there are definately a few lines that will find
their way into listee sig files.

scooter boys - alternative music. like shed your skin..another completely
new vocal structure by amy..i love it for that. rough and tumble angry..
not a long song..and it shouldn't be.

everything in its own time - a marching..trudging..stable song. serious
and high quality. it doesn't have the subject matter that i think many ig
fans thrive on and therefore will be a perhaps tolerated..but also enjoyed
selection.

cut it out - autobiographical and worth a mint for that. when amy decides
to share something this personal with us...i paint thank you on four
ponies and send them out to the north south east and west. amy amy amy
amy.

burn all the letters - a love song sneaking in the back door. has that
power of two 'we're gonna make it' reassurance..us against the
world..let's pack a cooler and head to the park..and now for a sweet
little guitar solo..but wait..no..native stylin..interesting.

hey kind friend - hey ani..ear candy dulcimer sweetness..easy to listen
to..a great way to send us off to slumber at night (if you listen to an
album before bed). makes me want to call my best buddies..makes me not
have to call my buddies...but i'm gonna call them anyway. i've thought of
a monsterously original all encompassing poetic word for this song. nice
nice nice..so nice.. said with a sigh and a scratching of the cat's ears (
i don't have a cat). helps me remember who i am

so i hope it was good for you..sure was for me..i think i'm gonna go
listen to it again.

we are fortunate ones,
joe

alrighty....for someone who has "never done this before" i say a big round
of applause for hamilton!  i get all chilly inside waiting for the release.
pissed that it may be longer to arrive in japanland, but the reviews are
wondermous!  of course, i like the fact that i have them all live already
(my first time to hear pre-released stuffs), but i am getting antsy in the
pantsy here!  argh.............

thanks again!
--s

"me myself with my face pressed up against love's glass...to see the
shiny toy i've been hoping for, the one i never can afford..." is the
first thing that pops into my head....from lwcty..-sal
(who can't believe she got so much darn mail in the middle if the night
:/)

alright, everyone who's requesting short sigs, i'll cut mine down again
for a while, even though i don't want to give up the chef thing. but
first, i wrote to my dad with that particular sig the other day, and i
thought some of you might be amused to see his response.

later,
audrey
*who met with her prof yesterday, and still has to get her act together
but isn't scared of not graduating anymore. woohoo! caps and gowns and
seattle-bound in ten weeks or less, pnwites put on your seatbelts...

>>#############################################################################
>>
>>"oouh la, la, la...   bork bork bork!   sheme-a oon yuoo"
>>                                            -- amy ray and the swedish chef
>
>what does that mean?
>
>>##############################################################################
>>for the soul-searcher:  http://www.stwing.upenn.edu/~abstein/magic/index.shtml
>
>what's the meaning of life?
>
>>##############################################################################
>>for the indigo bond:  http://www.stwing.upenn.edu/~abstein/listees/index.shtml
>>##############################################################################
>
>crayola crayons.
>

did someone mention that there was a video clip of soy on the sony web site
- - or an audio clip?

peace,
- jen hall

============================
"and when you're learning to face
the path at your pace every choice
is worth your while." - emily saliers

some days you know there is a higher power looking out for you....

yesterday i had a truly miserable day at work.  my advisor told me
"you should have no problem finishing before december."  nice, but i
was hoping for july.... sorta sets a tone. i get a call from kim
asking her to go back to her house, get her roommate's car, drive
across town, and pick her up at work.  sure, no problem.  the things
we do for love -- like walking in the rain and the snow and there's no
place to go.... =)

anyway, the whole way home i'm singing the 30 second snippit of soy
which they have on the 1-800 line further lamenting the fact that at
work i can't tune in the only station in boston that will play this
song! i'm doomed until the 29th.

i pick up the car at 9:45, get in, and something tells me to tune in
"the river." dontcha know it. instantly, the dj talks about ig for
ten seconds, then "coming up omd, but first the new one from the
indigo girls..."

instant mood swing!  i crank up the volume, open the windows (it was
nice out, aboout 40 degrees) and speed off singing at the top of my
lungs!  its a shame there are stop lights in arlington, ma  i would have
loved to have gone 80 or so.  soy is ig's best driving song to date.

so i pick up kim with this grin on my face, babbling on about ig and
soy and the tour and taking a week off to follow them onthe east coast
this summer, and and and... she thought i was nuts. which of course i
was =)

so somedays you know there is a god, and one that uses ig to deliver
the point =)

i had to share with people who'd understand,

chris (who's feeling much better now)

on fri, mar 27,1997 12:11 am, maclayto@mtholyoke.edu wrote:

>>pardon me for saying so, but this is the biggest load of crap i've read in
a long time! for shame on you to go top 40, listeners will have to either
ignore all the lyrics, or else agree with the fact that white people can
be racist, gay people are normal, and anti-immigration measuers are bogus.
if the percentage of the population that it takes to make a song go top-40
actually felt that way, the world would be a different place. thank you.

margaret<<

-i would like to second this and give it a very large "me too!!!!!!!"
if the majority of music listners were ready to accept the ig lyrics and
concepts discussed within them- we wouldn't need people like amy and em. the
world would already be a fair place- and all though we all wish it could be
different, the world isn't fair and most people aren't ready to accept all we
believe in....
cheers to margaret!

-emily

unset indigo-girls digest

at 09:56 am 3/28/97 -0500, you wrote:
>unset indigo-girls digest
>

did you mean "unsettling?" i hope not ;)

joanie

similar to chris' experience yesterday, i've had a shitty week at work and
i was about to boil over this morning.  unfortunately, i too can only get a
limited 2 stations on my radio at work (107.9 top 40 or 106.7 easy
listening).  so i'm sitting here in a miserable mood and i hear amy's voice
faintly and i jumped up and turned the radio up.  the 1 bright spot in my
week.

lanie ;)

p.s. for those in boston, it was on 107.9

hidee ho kids-
i was just talking with sundara (hi sundarling:):) and neither of us
remember seeing a post with lyrics for burn all the letters. sorry if its
come and gone, but if someone has it still, i would very much like a copy,
por favor.

ok, so i'm off to shorten my sig file. at least this post is bigger than
the sig file. (if i could repay all the bandwidth i've wasted, i surely
would - baaaaaaad betsy;)

betsy (who is still trying to get candy out of %@$#! broken bunny pez
dispenser:(

..............................................................
and it's alright though i feel afraid
my plans in pieces, my plans mislaid
it's the will of the way
the will of the way
the will of the only way that could have brought me here today
and it's alright.

e. saliers
..............................................................

hey everyone!!

okay, lots of y'all wanted to know, so, so far the general consensus is
that the verse:

but i never was one
for losing
what i couldn't afford
from the beginning

reminds them of:

guess i wasn't the best one to ask
myself with my face pressed up against loves glass
to see the shiny toy i've been hoping for
the one i never could afford...

from "love will come to you"

so there ya go. thanks muchly to everyone who wrote me, you all are
smartie-pants!

love,
sundara

yo y'all

okay, why else does the 'net exist if not as a airing ground for opinions
(which indeed are like assholes)

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
* * * * * * *
on the goodyear commercial by jonatha brooke:

damn skippy that a nationally run commercial pays big bucks!  i know someone
who sang one line for mcdonald's (less than 3 seconds of airtime for her
voice) and walked away with like 10,000 big ones.  imagine that on a bigger
scale...  see, fans can make you feel great but it's still money that the
landlord wants....
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
* ** * * * ** * * * *

on soy going top 40 -

it might, it might not.  i suspect content will not have the final say. other
factors will, i think.
imho,   -commercial-  is really all about two things: accesibility and
memorability.  i have discovered a little secret:  you can sing about almost
anything in the universe if there's something in the song that is memorable +
accesible.  i see so many young songwriters here in atlanta who think that
their song matters just because they wrote it . . . nevermind that you don't
know what the hell they're talking about, and  if you don't have the
wherewithall to listen to a six minute ramble with a lame excuse for a
chorus, then you're not a real music lover, pal ! ! ! (yah, right)

all you songwriters, i don't care what you write about. write about your
underwear if you so desire. but let's just all try to remember a few things:

1) you can make all the art you want - any way you want - at home. the
moment you want people to pay money for it, it's a business. we may not like
that, but it's true.

2) remember, this is the fast-food-why-is-my-damn-microwave-taking-so-long
generation.  we may hate that, but that's what we've got.  you wanna have
maximum impact?  make it memorable.  make it accesible. a song is a room -
make someone want to come and sit in your room, not have to.   let's try and
write our songs with a point- with something to say.  or if you have nothing
really to say, make it catchy ("everyday is a winding road" - good example.
what the hell is she talking about? i dunno. but i can't stop my butt from
moving when i hear it.)

memorable = catchy = hook.  that's the reason why it's 1997 and i'm still
humming
"walk like an egyptian" every now and again.  pop artists = commercial
whores? perhaps.  but i'm still humming that song aren't i?  that's called a
gotcha !

and, let's be real -  the chorus on "don't give that girl a gun" is catchy.
i've heard it twice and i was singing it after the first time.  i was
singing mm's "blue suede" after the first time.  commerciality is not our
enemy !   and unless we make it our friend, bullshit will dominate the
airwaves cuz pious songwriter's would not stoop to such levels as
accesibility and memorability.

**********************************************************
on cussing in songwriting -  again, write whatever you want.  but every time
you take a personal liberty, you risk alienating someone. let's see, how can
i say this....there are 3 kinds of cussing in songs. cussing that someone did
because it got them off, cussing someone wrote b/c they ran out of writing
skill and couldn't say it another way, and cussing someone wrote b/c  it
served the song.  always serve the song, i feel.   if it needs a strong word,
go for it.  but it's a fine line in all these.     probably, in amy ray's
case, the song wanted it.  she's not typically a self-centered writer.

also, radio people have said that if a song has alot of "bleeping out" that
they have to do, it better kick ass or they won't bother. if they get into
trouble with the fcc, then nobody gets airtime. if eddie's attic loses money
and closes, nobody gets to play. that's why he needs to book people who put
butts in the seats on the weekends.

****************************************************

ok- i'm off the soap box. as dennis miller say "that's just my opinion. i
could be wrong"

tammy
(aka - geeky guitar girl )

****************************************************

"kids of today must defend themselves against the 70's" - eddie vedder

"the world doesn't need more hip. it has enuf hip. the world needs greatness"
- billy joel

by now i'm sure you all know about the private concert ig is giving
at mamakin in boston!! besides emailing the radio station the river 92.5 to win
tickets...(drum roll puhhleeasee)

i also just heard on kiss fm 108 that you can win tickets over the
radio this weekend-listen to 108 in boston and they'll be dishing out the
tickets to lucky callers, the phone number is 617-931-1108

good luck!

therese :)

ps. anyone got some free time and is willing to dub some boots for me?? heh
heh heh..

no one has posted the lyrics to burn all the letters yet and theres been
several requests. i was hoping someone else would because its hard for
me to make out a lot of the words. but here it is, most of burn all the
letters:

i am sorry if i set my sights on the things i read
something meant for your husband maybe you left under the bed
once upon a love those words blew free and secret
the pages {?}
drifted to the hands of a publisher
and the greedy generations on down

burn all the letters (someone always watching)
the governments on the phone ( ? secretly)
burn all the letters (burn it to secrecy)

soldiers are coming to plunder
but there are some things they will never know

we made our love out of dignity
dug our nails in the dirt
hung our {?} souls out on the line
we loved so hard that it hurts

to ease my pain i took a pen and paper
and {?} came bleeding
send it back before the public eye
preverts it into reading
hey
burn all the letters (someones always watching)
the governments on the phone
burn all the letters
take them all back
to your sacred home

burn all the letters
before you go
the soldiers are coming to plunder
but there are some things they will never know
{ulali wails}
chorus repeats

burn all the letters to you to you to me
they're coming to take what they can
but they can not read what they can not see
- emily

again, there's a lot of background singing that i can't make out. the
song is full of amy and ulali in the background, which sometimes makes
it hard to understand emily as well. its a great song.

david
==
davidsrogers
dsrogers@utk.edu
http://www.geocities.com/collegepark/quad/2379
"thinking crazy thoughts like it was going to set me free"

hello all,

here's another one from the "oops" department.  wendy bucklew's show at
herland in santa cruz is saturday, april 5th not april 4th (as indicated on
the mailer, proving once again that too much caffeine is not necessarily a
good thing).  it's a small place, and the "groovenus" folks who are
presenting this show tell me that the response to this show has been
tremendous.  so, make sure to call herland if you're planning to go:  (408)
429-6636.

thank you and make mine a decaf...

lorene machado

--- some moron who works for the rolling stone wrote:
and the occasional
political prattle that earned this duo the
well-deserved "indignant girls" tag,
--- end of quoted material ---
ohhh! cleverone! how about the "indigent girls" because of the non-flashy
attire they wear while on stage? or the "indirect girls" for their use of
symbolism in lyrics? or "indemand girls" for the way we can't get enough of
their stuff?

this *really* touched a nerve. it seems like anytime women artists stand up for
beliefs related to justice, human rights, or anything even remotely political,
they are labeled "troublemakers". noone makes similar remarks about m. stipe's
or bruce springsteen's or ice cube's political views....

me thinks i'll be dashing off a leetle note to this personae after i check out
this website

susanna
whose sister pointed out that if you say "indigo girls " really fast with a
scots accent it sounds like "into gay girls"
:))))))

ok, grrrls, i figured i'd turn to the closest thing to experts i have access to... (since amy and emily won't return my calls!)

a friend of mine here in gainesville just told me that she heard that a friend of hers is going to see the girls in tampa on april 24. the epic web site doesn't list any show between april 20 and 25. has anyone else heard of this?

please let me know asap, as i would sure as heck rather travel 2 hours to see them than 5!

thanks!
kim
kpaulus@mpinc.com

sbm writes;

> this *really* touched a nerve. it seems like anytime women artists
> stand up for beliefs related to justice, human rights, or anything
> even remotely political, they are labeled "troublemakers". noone makes
> similar remarks about m. stipe's or bruce springsteen's or ice cube's
> political views....

i guess it would strike a nerve if you looked at "indignant" as a bad
thing.  there are lots of things i'm indignant about.  also opinionated.
also stallwartly.  to the extent that ig are able to be indignant about
issues, good for them!  own the word =)

at the same time, it is clear that the author did not mean it as a
compliment and susan is right about trying to bang down the nails that
dare to stick up. makes you respect the duo even more than before. =)

obtop40thread:

personally i think soy will be top 40. when i heard it at newport the
first time i knew it had "hit" written all over it -- i hadn't felt
such a strong feeling since i heard r.e.m.'s "losing my religion" the
first time.

while its true the themes are not top 40-esque (and thank god for
that) most listeners will hear the bass line and bop along with it as a
summer tune -- great for driving with the top down singing down the
highway. even though it has a deeper meaning than something like:

        out on the road today i saw a deadhead sticker on a cadillac
        a little voice inside my head said 'don't look back,
                you can never look back'

its still gonna appeal to the same audience. turn off the head and
feel the music, there are similarities between soy and boys of summer.
strong bass line, fast transitions on downbeats.

another thought. paul simon had a hit with "me and julio down by the
schoolyard" which does have some very serious issues to it, but also
has that catchy tun quality.

if the words register *shrug* maybe someone will learn somthing. one
can hope....

-- chris

http://www.mit.edu:8001/people/cmbecker/home.html [my homepage]
---------------------------------------------------------------------------

was browsing around in the ig usenet list, and saw a reference to a www
site for the sots release. it has a short, animated graphic. the url is
http://www.indigogirls.com. i checked it it, it's neat. if you click on
it, it takes you to the epiccenter ig site.

nancy humphries
nancy@rbdc.rbdc.com

hey all of you who have aol and like melissa etheridge, i just found keyword
melissa. i just typed it in and woo hoo there it was, a whole little section
on aol about melissa. tried keyword indigo girls, but there is none :-( oh
well, thought i might share this with all of you.
have fun!
-kim

sorry y'all for sendin' that last blank message. the "enter" button is in
the wrong place. (that's the 2nd time i did that today1!)
i would also love to know the dates fo4r ig on rosie, dave, jay, etc.
thanks y'all
-emily
ems420@aol.com

at 3:31 pm 3/28/97, emily izenstein wrote:
>i would also love to know the dates fo4r ig on rosie, dave, jay, etc.
>thanks y'all
>-emily

we must be on the same wavelength. i sent rosie an email today and asked
her to do a little announce thingy like she did last year (she announced
all of the upcoming musical guests and the date they were scheduled to
appear) during a show. i tape it everyday, so if she does it, i'll post
the info to the list...unless someone already knows, 'cuz i don't.

btw.....did everyone whos interested see the big article in this weeks tv
guide about ellen's coming out on the show and in real life? i guess ellen
d. is going to also come out...possible to diane sawyer on primetime live
sometime around the airing of ellen m.'s coming out episode. fyi....

joni <--- who's basking in 60 degree weather in baaaston today... whoo hoo!

okay...i looked through what i have, and i can't find a cutoff date for donations...could someone please let me know if i've totally missed it?? i'll be very upset if i have. = (

jennifer w

okay...so i call the lady at the ticket office...(918-747-1000) again today. i say, "hi! i was wondering if you have any information on indigo girls concert tickets yet?" she says, "not yet." i say, "not yet?" she says, "not yet." i say, "okay...thanks." she says, "okay, bye." *grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr*

okay...we wouldn't want to get in too big a hurry...it's just a smaller venue and the concert is april 9th!!!!! }= (

sorry...had to both inform and vent...i'm highly frustrated (big news, there...).

jennifer w.
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+
"...i think i know what's wrong...pushing the needle too far..."

hey did you guys notice that if you stay on the phone after the wacko
woman stops talking someone says "goodbye". is that just another nobody
or is it a somebody?

:) marianne

~o~
-=|=-   countdown 7 days to *eugene*
/_\
((     "you're beautiful, i've seen light dancing around you,
         and the clouds move aside so you can look at the moon."
                        --lisa zeiler (rebecca riots)

but, y'all, if it were going to happen don't you think it would already be
getting increased airplay? i live 15 minutes from lesbianville, u.s.a.*,
and i haven't heard it a single time.

also, can you all believe that they are playing the meadows in hartford?
that place is huge!!! it's the world's largest covered amphitheater. i
don't know exactly how big it is, but it will certainly be a change from
their recent venues.

lastly, here's some good look for the davenport listies!!! may the
mallchick in front of you have a bad (i.e., low) hair day!!!!!!!!!!

smooches,
margaret

in don't give that girl a gun, amy sings: "she don't believe in the
miracle mile." in that billy joel song, "still rock & roll to me (?)"
from the early '80s, he sang: "are you gonna cruise the miracle mile?"

ok, so what *is* the miracle mile? i guess dgtgag makes sense w/o a
context...meaning something ya just can't fix no matter how much catching
up you do...but then what is billy joel talking about?

things that make ya go hmm,
ld

the indigo girls will appear on david letterman on wed. april 30th. isn't
that the same day that ellen comes out? i think april 30th will be a good
day.

jan hallford wrote:
>
> okay...i looked through what i have, and i can't find a cutoff date for donations...could someone please let me know if i've totally missed it?? i'll be very upset if i have. = (
>
> jennifer w

there really isn't a "cutoff date" for the donation, but please send out
your donations soon so that we can include it in the count given to
amy. if you haven't sent in your donation, please go write out a check
to honor the earth stick it in an envelope addressed:

honor the earth
c/o greta gohn
po box 502
chimacum, wa 98325

write "amy birthday" on the envelope, slap a stamp on it and send it out
in the mail today!

okay, stop reading this message and go write that check!!!

love and sun angel kisses,
mandi

margaret wrote:

>but, y'all, if it were going to happen don't you think it would
>already be getting increased airplay? i live 15 minutes from
lesbianville,
>u.s.a.*, and i haven't heard it a single time.

yeah, but here in seattle, the lesbian mecca of the west,  they play it a
lot on the radio (the mountain, kmtt 103.7)  and last night when they
played it, the dj said he really liked it and it was growing on him (or
somethin' like that)  but i'm sure they will play it even more when the
cd is released.

i think this is gonna go big, i keep listening to my tape of it (from the
radio) and it gets stuck in your head, those la la la's are too catchy.
and i know that, at least for me, when i'm listening to the radio, i
don't pay much attention to the words, just the chorus that gets
repeated, and that is the part that isn't quite as controversial, and
highly sing-a-longable. sooo, point of this is that i think it has a
definate possibility to go big and that the majority of the top 40
listeners aren't gonna listen to all the words and analyze them like
crazy like we do. but that's just my opinion, and i suppose all we can
really do (beside beat this topic into the ground until it dies a slow,
painful death) is wait and see what happens.

love and ottmar,
sundara

"if we had a keen vision and feeling of all ordinary human life,
it would be like hearing the grass grow and the squirrel's heart beat,
and we should die of that roar which lies on the other side of silence."
-george elliot

hi, all,

of course, i've been swamped already, so i'll have to close the offer,
at least for now. i'll e-mail everyone back to confirm who's in.

i'll hopefully re-open this offer sometime soon, or perhaps i'll
finally build a website with my list, with a standing offer, so i
can deal with a steady trickle instead of periodic floods :-)

[it's about those water images - but hey, i'm a hydrologist, and yes,
"watershed" is one of my favorites :-)]

thanks,
tom

will anyone who has info on getting tickets to this show please e-mail me
asap.i really want to go.
thankyou,
jean

at 01:54 pm 3/28/97 -0800, marianne barlow wrote:
>hey did you guys notice that if you stay on the phone after the wacko
>woman stops talking someone says "goodbye". is that just another nobody
>or is it a somebody?

ok, i haven't listened all the way until i hear "goodbye," but i have a
semi-educated guess. depending on which service is being used to relay this
message, here's what could be happening....

my guess is the recording is on a voice messaging system, and the message we
hear is called an "announcment" on what is known as an information center
mail box (icmb)...not to be confused with an inter-continental ballistic
missile (icbm) --- are you all wondering why i know so many diverse
acronyms?  i used to work for a company that was 80% funded by defense
contracts...now i work in telecommunications ....anyhoo, i think this is a
listen only icmb.  the way a listen only icmb works is the mailbox owner
records an announcement and deposits the message in the icmb.  callers can
access the mailbox by dialing it's number and then can listen to the
message.  at the end of the message, the mailbox owner can specify that the
voicemail system end the call.  the voicemail system itself has a system
managers mailbox which has instructions to play a "greeting" at certain
times...in this case, when a call is completed.  the system managers mailbox
plays the "greeting" that says "goodbye" and then terminates the call.
our voicemail system at mit has these features...when i go into my mailbox
and then exit, lovely "marsha" says "goodbye."  this is what i think is
happening.

...or maybe not.

(karen harper....would you like to say something about robots? la de da de
da...)

ok, i'll shut up now.

have a good one!
joni :o)

greetings to all in the land of indigo!

i am so psyched to find out that ig are playing only an hour away
from me on my birthday.  i saw bon jovi (no judgements please ;) )
at the meadows a year and a half ago and it is really big, but is
a great venue.  even lawn seats would be cool, it is kind of like
great woods in mansfield, ma only bigger.  i wonder if ig will play
there or another venue in ma.  any clues on that, rumors?

i can't wait, only 32 days to go! i don't know if i have the patience
to wait anymore!

take care and peace y'all!

-deb

greetings all...

hmmmm....more updates. can everyone tell that greta has way too much spare time on her hands? ugh.

so anyway, as of today the birthday pot is brewing away with a total $752 (that's $669 hte and $66 art...).  i'm impressed ladies and gentlemen.  y'all are an inspiring and dedicated group of folks...
please don't let this good news slow the donation process down though.  if we keep going the way that we have been we could easily reach $1,000 by april 10th.
motivate motivate motivate.  as a great woman (and also the woman who we happen to be doing this whole thing for...coincidence?  i think not) once said,

"it's important to have voice; its more important to use it."

words of wisdom from amy ray. wwfar.

hmmmm...this here dang soapbox is getting pretty rickety. guess i've been jumping around too much.

talk at you later. and thanks again. y'all rock.

-greta (who-hey!-heard k's choice on the radio this afternoon...)

"how can i relate? i can't relate! i gotta relate! i gotta relate!" -a. ray

read on usenet that it was going to broadcast this weekend -- yes i
*despirately* want t ohear a new tour (1997) tape before unh. i still
haven't heard studio soy, though i sorta made a wav of the telephone
message -- my microphone was screwed up tho...

mike r.

in a message dated 97-03-28 18:52:41 est, indigojrny@aol.com writes:

<< the indigo girls will appear on david letterman on wed. april 30th. isn't
that the same day that ellen comes out?>>

hmmmm . . . i wonder if it has anything to do with that. april 30th looks
like it's going to be a very interesting day . . .

in an un-related subject, has anyone else been getting in the holidy spirit
by listening to jcs? i feel all special: easter and indigo girls rolled into
one! =) tee hee

while i'm here, i might as well also say hey and a big thanks to tony da
chickenman and kristina for the goodies that graced my mail box. the tape
rocks and the magazine is great. thanks y'all!

-elizabeth, who updated her web page a little, so if you have a lot of time
on your hands, check it out

* * * * * * * * * * * *
"all god's children are not beautiful. most of god's children are, in fact,
barely presentable." -- fran lebowitz

http://members.aol.com/wishmonstr/ewebpg.htm

* * * * * * * * * * *

in a message dated 97-03-28 19:08:20 est, you write:

<< yeah, but here in seattle, the lesbian mecca of the west, they play it a
lot on the radio >>

um........<clearing throat>.....aaarrrggghhh!!!!!!!!
why do i suddenly feel like i'm the only person on the planet who hasn't
heard it yet? i even sit and listen to the other 80% of the mindless drivel
they play on kmtt in hopes of hearing soy.....but apparently the great gods
of radio have denied me.

and now, if you'll all excuse me, i do believe i will fling myself from the
aurora bridge.....
(just kidding....honest!)

dawn

hi!  just wanted to remind everyone who would like to participate in sending
a personal message to amy and emily to get your letters in to me no later
than monday, march 31st!!!!  i'll be printing out all the letters and putting
them in a basket to give to the girls shortly thereafter...so if you'd like
to be included, be sure to get your letter to me at cojehali@aol.com no later
than monday!  be sure to put "to amy and emily" in the subject line so that
i'll know it's for them!  thanks! :)

-connie

yea for me!

today - when i got home after a crappy day in the advertising world & i
found my kids soaking wet from frolicking in the woods behind our house
& the dog was running wild through the neighborhood - i opened the post
box to find three (count 'em 3) boots in the mail from my good friends
on the list. so i've spent the early evening listening to the hofstra
boot, the beacon boot and just now the davidson boot.

life ... is good.

thanks for the boots!

scott
crispian@writeme.com

at 08:38 pm 3/28/97 -0500, you wrote:

>um........<clearing throat>.....aaarrrggghhh!!!!!!!!
>why do i suddenly feel like i'm the only person on the planet who hasn't
>heard it yet? i even sit and listen to the other 80% of the mindless drivel
>they play on kmtt in hopes of hearing soy.....but apparently the great gods
>of radio have denied me.

so you're the other person who hasn't heard it on the radio!!! i was hoping
there was someone else so i wouldn't feel so damn lonely on the list. i
thought i was the only one! i'm thinking of calling up the radio stations
and requesting it about 200 times, using different voices each time i call
so they won't realize that i'm the only one in town who seems to want it.

joanie

i'm an old ig fan, but a newsgourp newbie. and i really don't have much to
say right now but: for those people who can at least look forward to the
possibility of soy being played on their radios, count your blessings.
here in manila, radio stations don't play ig, even the so-called alternative
ones. except power of two of course which everyone here found sweet. but
even that, i haven't heard in a while. and i bet soy will reach us in, oh,
two or three months... (which is one good thing about ig going top 40,
record companies here in the third world will be compelled to release the
album earlier than usual, or release it period!)
to tell you the truth, the postings about concerts drive me nuts with envy.
nobody interesting comes here! the last foreign act that played here was
hootie! actually, they were followed by kool & the gang, and kool & the
gang's pretty neat considering, but my god, they're antiques! (and people
still paid a fortune to watch them...)

does real audio really work? i tried downloading the new ben folds five
single a few days back and ben sounded like eddie vedder...

flippin' in the philippines,
reggie

"i wish myself
into your arms
to know that
all i need is everything..."

roddy frame

at 08:38 pm 3/28/97 -0500, you wrote:

joanie

don't think we're getting to hear it here...i know that i sent a big post to that effect. no one in oklahoma radio loves me...*sniffle*

jennifer
--

sorry for being so lame (blame it on my slow @%#!ing computer), but could
someone please email me privately with this number? the one i have didn't
work.
thanks,
shel 8-)

hey kind friends~

roundin' up all cowpokes for a pre-concert list gathering somewhere
in cowtown (fort worth, tx). i've got 16 folks on the list so far...so let
me know if ya wanna meet up for a hoe-down prior to the real thang ;)

hasta luego amigos~
t for texas

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during the recent period of heavy rain, a local family was sitting on
their roof watching the water which was well over five feet deep
outside (and inside) their house.

the son happened to notice a nice straw hat as it went downstream.
"oh dear," he thought, "i'll bet the person who lost that hat is sorry
now!"

after the hat had floated out of sight around the corner of the house,  the
boy kept watching the river.  suddenly, much to his surprise, here comes
the hat, floating upstream, against the current!  this was obviously very
strange, so the lad kept his eye on it.  it floated upstream and around the
other corner of the house... and came floating back down again.  after a
while, it came back upstream yet again, rounding the corner of the house.

finally, the boy could stand it no longer and pointed out the hat to his
mother, asking her whatever could cause such a sight. his mother replied,
"oh, that's just your grandfather. he said come hell or high water, he was
going to mow the lawn today."

================

one day, in the far off future, a man met his clone while he was taking
a hike to the top of a steep cliff. they, of course, started talking as
well as admiring the view when the clone started reeling off obsenity after
obsenity. the man can't believe what he is hearing. his clone is one
foul-mouthed individual.

the man finally gets so upset that he throws the clone over the edge of the
cliff and he falls to a tragic end.

he was charged with making an obscene clone fall ...

everyone has been posting that the lasalle show will be on sat. 4/19 but i
heard it will be on fri. 4/18. can anyone confirm the date? did tickets go on
sale yet?help!
jean

oopps sorry ddint mean to foward that to the list

hey kindest of friends :)

i have a new deally.... my own carnage tour compilation of (8)
selected chickenman recordings from 4/93-4/95 with priceless soc's by the
*incredible* ar
(btw have you sent in your $5.00 hte birthday donation for ar to greta, yet?)

this collector's item is *only* available for a limited time offer
right here! for free... but, i need twelve *kind friends* to be branches for
each zodiac sign (12). the first person to volunteer from each sign shall
be selected. it's a 90 minute tape and branches must send me a blank maxell
xl-ii 90 min. along with a sase, asap.

here's the lineup:

side a~
c-man - the palace theater, new haven, ct 4-24-95; c-man - cynthia
woods-mitchell pavillion, woodlands, tx 9-3-94; c-man - charleston, sc
2-7-95; c-man - palumbo theatre, pittsburgh, pa 10-13-94 (from 1200c.)

side b~
c-man - sheperd's bush empire, london, england 11-22-94; c-man - the
birchmere, alexandria, va 4-9-93; c-man - mid-hudson civic center,
poughkeepsie, ny 4-26-95; c-man - warner theater, erie, pa 4-15-95 <cut>

learn the real *scoop* about the carnage highway, the chickenman
(and where he actually lived), amoebas and bugs on the windshield..... and
"mushrooms flyin' all around"..... danger, danger, danger..... ;)

some tidbits:

"put yourself on the road...that's what my mind said...." - ar

amy referring to the c-man...."i could never be that coooooool.....
50 days without a bath...." :o

amy - "i was thinking about all the french fries on the bottom of the car".

amy on houston, tx ..."the other things about houston are really cool....
like the things they haven't experienced yet" :o <tony's note - yeah like
the ig's e.g.! huumrpff... ;)

"no matter how spiritual you are, if you go into a thrift store and spend
less than $10 you feel like it's an accomplishment" - ar

"then i looked up and saw a sign that said, "chickenman" and i said, "oh my
god, i feel better!"

and it's one more song for the chickenman....

i       tony, da chickenman - houston, texas, usa       g
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