lifeblood: listlogs: 1997-04e


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date:         tue, 29 apr 1997 00:09:20 -0400
reply-to:     ems420@aol.com
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from:         emily izenstein <ems420@aol.com>
subject:      important lilith fair
x-to:         agreenbe@access.k12.wv.us

hey y'all
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could some one please help me:

i desperately need the lilith fair schedual!!!!!!!!

please please please please please please please please!!!!!!!!
help help help help help help help help!!!!!!!!!!

thanks y'all
-emily i.

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date:         tue, 29 apr 1997 13:33:37 +1000
reply-to:     michelle paddy <m.paddy@qut.edu.au>
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from:         michelle paddy <m.paddy@qut.edu.au>
subject:      david letterman show
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hi everyone,

sorry if this has already been posted... i've already deleted all my messages.

indigo girls are on david letterman show this wednesday, 29th april.

take care all, and enjoy sots release date tomorrow!!

shelley (for whom it is already the 29th, but it's not being released over
here for another week *sniff*)

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date:         tue, 29 apr 1997 00:50:33 -0400
reply-to:     emilyamy@aol.com
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from:         "j \"tigger\" kickliter" <emilyamy@aol.com>
subject:      shaming of the sun - guess what!!!!!

i happened to be at wal mart this evening (april 28, the day *before* sots
release!!) and just try and guess what i found on the cd rack!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

it rocks!!!!!!  this album rocks!!!!!!!!  (and it helps that i have it a day
early!!!!)

soy - everyone knows it rocks
gotm - everyone knows it rocks
shed your skin - better on album than on any boot i've heard it on,
especially kmtt
it's alright - seriously rocks - possibly the best song on the album except
soy
dgtgag - everyone knows it rocks
leeds - this song is so seriously depressing i wanted to shoot myself.  i
love it!
scooter boys - extremely powerful.  most seriously rocks
everything in its own time - i sobbed my way through this song - the war
images are so powerful.  it rocks!!!
cut it out - excellent
burn all the letters - i'm still trying to work out what this song is about,
but it's good!
hey kind friend - seriously sad, a goodbye song as the last song on the
album.  i bawled.

so there you have it - tigger's interpretation of shaming of the sun.  go get
it now!!!!!!!!!!!  wal-mart's open 24 hours!!!!!!!  :)

peace, harmony & indigo,

tigger, high priestess of amyism (emilyamy@aol.com)
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date:         tue, 29 apr 1997 00:17:55 -0500
reply-to:     littlebit <patterj@mail.auburn.edu>
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i've got my new album..listening to it now as i am about to pull an all
nighter studying...midnight sales are great!!!!!!!!!!!!!
bjp

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you will dissolve all the stones that are cast." -- amy ray

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date:         tue, 29 apr 1997 01:35:59 -0700
reply-to:     hothead <hothead@htonline.com>
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i found a store wher i could pick up the cd as soon as midnight hit. i
prepaid the cd (they were sold out), and the man ceremoniously hit the
last key at the stroke of midnight. a marvelous ritual, i withstand only
for the girls. i figured someone out there would appriciate this
emotional triumph....

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date:         tue, 29 apr 1997 04:37:00 gmt
reply-to:     l.braslow@genie.com
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from:         laura braslow <l.braslow@genie.com>
subject:      ig irony/wt show (all igc)
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a little ig irony:

ig are finally coming to somewhere easily accessable for me, msg in new
york, and the show is the night before my graduation.  yet, i happen to be
able to go see them outside of d.c. at the wolftrap, while i am randomly
living down there for a few weeks.  not that i'm complaining -- i get to go
to my first ig show ever!  :)))))

and speaking of the wolftrap show . . . would anyone be interested in
meeting up beforehand?

on another concert note, i don't suppose anyone has the dates when ig will
be playing on the lillith fair tour, or who they will be co-billed with?

speaking of concerts yet again, does anyone have the number for spac handy?

                   laura (trying very hard not to get pulled into the flames)

p.s. -- i just heard, randomly, watershed on the radio (wkze 98.1).  the
only other ig song i've ever heard on the radio was soy, a few weeks ago.
unfortunately, i was in shock for the first verse or so.  <g>

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date:         mon, 28 apr 1997 21:52:01 -0800
reply-to:     mary eichman <eichman@polarnet.com>
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from:         mary eichman <eichman@polarnet.com>
subject:      ar's response..to what article?
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did someone transcribe and post this article to the list...and perhaps i
missed it? does anyone know if it is available on the web? i'd really like
to read what it was that got amy all fired up (rightly so, it would seem!
;). anyone?

mary e.

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eichman@polarnet.com      i feel i've been running for miles
mary t. eichman            happy times don't last long
po box 55753                i finally got there
north pole, alaska           and it's too late to smile"
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irc: jujube                           ~amy ray
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date:         tue, 29 apr 1997 08:12:38 gmt
reply-to:     h.burningham@ulst.ac.uk
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from:         helene burningham <h.burningham@ulst.ac.uk>
organization: university of ulster
subject:      29th is here, ng

hi there...
well i guess this is the day of reckoning for all of you in the
states...rip up those calendars...the 29th has arrived!!!
we over here in the uk have another week yet...like you haven't heard
that complaint before :)
anyway, i just wanted to wish you all a fab tuesday 29th april 1997!
oh and also...if anyone gets the chance to see nanci griffith in
concert this year, then do everything in your powers to go...she is
in such goooood form...i saw her on saturday and i'm still up there
on a high.  she looks and sounds absolutely fantastic.
she is *so* cool!
good luck to ellen aswell
take care
love helene

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date:         tue, 29 apr 1997 02:20:12 edt
reply-to:     joan morrison <103161.3515@compuserve.com>
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from:         joan morrison <103161.3515@compuserve.com>
subject:      the rdr thing

i think before we all jump to conclusions, we should remember that usually,
there are *at least* 2 sides to every story.  oftentimes, the truth is
somewhere in the middle.  perhaps the emotional, "questioning amy" reaction many
folks have had may be the anticipated/intended reaction from us.  who knows?
one thing i do know (well, i don't know...i'm really just theorizing) is that if
certain boots are no longer available with the ease they once were available,
the price will no doubt go up when you can find one.  supply and demand...
as for the atl mag article, i felt like the article was revealing a lot of
really personal stuff - i mean, i wouldn't want people knowing some of that
kind of stuff about *me*  i did get the sense from that article that amy
was being painted as the more important force behind the group.  and how
many times did that guy use the word "impetuses?" <g>

peace,

joan :-d

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date:         tue, 29 apr 1997 00:26:44 pdt
reply-to:     jan hallford <jhllfrd@galstar.com>
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from:         jan hallford <jhllfrd@galstar.com>
subject:      sots
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waaaaahhhhh!!!  =' (   i can't get the cd until friday, after i get paid. rest assured that i'm blazing out of that school, flying for the bank, and stopping by best buy on my way to my second job.  *smile*  in the meantime, all those of you who are more fortunate than i...enjoy, and i'll try not to be too jealous.  = )

jennifer w.

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date:         tue, 29 apr 1997 01:33:37 -0600
reply-to:     greg flamer <gflame@nwu.edu>
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from:         greg flamer <gflame@nwu.edu>
subject:      sots surprises/letterman
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just returned from my midnight pilgrimage to tower records with fellow
listee alycia (good luck on those finals!) for the cd we have all been
waiting for.  i bought 4 cd's at once which was rather embarrassing (i have
friends who need gifts!).
        anyway it is beyond phenomenal.  make sure you listen to this puppy
with headphones to pick up all background instruments and stuff.  i am
currently up to dgtgag.  caramia is one of the most moving pieces of music
i have heard in a awhile--i had chills all through it.  holy shit!  i
totally forgot that leeds was redone a bit.  ulali just went into this
bellowing in the background and it actually made me jump out of my chair.
that'll take some getting used to for sure :).  life is good right now!!!!

oh and for the 5 who may not have heard this, ig is on letterman on apr 30
(wednesday).  here is the letterman lineups for the week:

>                     late show with david letterman, cbs
>
>mo 4/28 kurt russell, sinbad, paula cole
>tu 4/29 robin williams, tanya tucker
>we 4/30 alec baldwin, joey lauren adams, indigo girls
>th 5/1 luke perry, justin miller, wendy liebman

awesome!!!  joey lauren adams!!!!!!!  ummm-who is this?  :)  whatdya think
alec baldwin and amy will have to say to each other?  could be an
interesting conversation.  well enjoy the new cd and watch for that
depression.  i'm far from it right now!  i'm up to scooter boys which
clearly kicks ass!  this is so coooool!

greg

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date:         tue, 29 apr 1997 01:56:44 edt
reply-to:     kirsten chevalier <kirsten@spike.wellesley.edu>
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from:         kirsten chevalier <kirsten@spike.wellesley.edu>
subject:      re: the stroke of midnight
in-reply-to:  <3365b2ef.7457@htonline.com>; from "hothead" at apr 29, 97 1:35 am

>
> i found a store wher i could pick up the cd as soon as midnight hit. i
> prepaid the cd (they were sold out), and the man ceremoniously hit the
> last key at the stroke of midnight. a marvelous ritual, i withstand only
> for the girls. i figured someone out there would appriciate this
> emotional triumph....
>
yup...i can totally relate. it's almost 2 am, and i'm listening to my
brand-spanking-new copy of sots thanks to the tower records in harvard square,
cambridge, ma (i was the first to buy it there. i was there from 10 pm onwards
and at the stroke of midnight, the cashier said to me, "you've been waiting the
longest and i can tell you want it the most." i wonder how he could tell...
maybe he noticed my "buck naked" t-shirt...nah. :-)) and a kind friend who
gave me a ride home (even the subway doesn't run this late.) ah, the things we
do to get that ig fix...
kirsten

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and bend them to fit mine / the world is too good for me, i am such a naughty
girl / but when we're together, we're too good for this world."--ani difranco

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date:         mon, 28 apr 1997 23:11:12 -0700
reply-to:     machado <lorene@flylive.com>
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from:         machado <lorene@flylive.com>
subject:      aiken and bucklew cyber-tour (nigc)
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caroline aiken is hitting the road next week and hooking up with wendy
bucklew in california, and you can be there.  from may 4 - 11, 1997, aiken
and bucklew will rock the net with an "all access cyber-tour."  we'll post
digital pictures to the internet daily, including live gigs, radio shows,
driving, flying, eating, sleeping, hanging out.  is the glamour really
overwhelming?  see for yourself.  website address is:
http://www.flylive.com/flylive/access.html

this site is interactive and we'd like you to send in funny, serious, or
anywhere in between captions for the pictures.  we'll post as many of your
captions as we can, and at the end of the week, two randomly selected
participants will receive the following personally autographed cds: caroline
aiken's "live at the attic" and "live bait," and wendy bucklew's latest cd,
"asleep in the swing."  send as many captions as you want, after all, they
say that a picture paints a thousand words...

tour dates for caroline and wendy are available on their websites, listed
below.  hope to see you out there, on-line or in real time.

thanks, lorene machado

machado entertainment, management and promotion
p.o. box 39952, los angeles, ca  90039, e-mail:  lorene@flylive.com
phone:  (818) 787-2468, fax:  (818) 787-3031, alpha pager:  (800) 800-9724
caroline aiken website:  http://www.hidwater.com/aiken/
wendy bucklew website:  http://www.hidwater.com/wendy/

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date:         tue, 29 apr 1997 15:37:36 +-800
reply-to:     "anna p. hidalgo" <anna@fillib.org.ph>
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from:         "anna p. hidalgo" <anna@fillib.org.ph>
subject:      6 songs
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hello everyone!

here's a radical thought: maybe of the six "good" songs the reviewer was talking about, 3 songs were written by emily, and three by amy. :)  (even though we all know emily is better ... just kidding! i *refuse* to go there again, and will ignore anyone else who does.)

here's to being _bi-indigo_. in the words of amy ray herself, "we are, after all, a partnership." happy 29th of april to all the us residents out there!

anna

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date:         tue, 29 apr 1997 02:55:31 pst
reply-to:     "lisa m. schreihart" <lschreihart@juno.com>
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from:         "lisa m. schreihart" <lschreihart@juno.com>
subject:      i partook in a midnight sale!!!

hey y'all,

it is late on monday night, er, i mean morning.  i just
drove 40 minutes to get sots at 12:30 a.m. at vibes.  travelled
from cedar rapids to iowa city in lightning speed (at least my
version of it).  good thing that the cop was driving 85 m.p.h.
past me when i was going 75.  i couldn't believe how many
cops were out....anyway, i am digressing.  i missed the ig
listening party (which, i heard, attracted many happy iowans,
who got free beer, great company, and good discussion) in iowa
city this evening!  whaaaaa!  whaaaa!  found out about the listening
party and midnight sale on my e-mail at 11:50 p.m.
didn't think twice about driving like a maniac to get my copy of sots
before vibes closed.  scott, the great guy at vibes, waited around for
me and gave me a full size (ooooh, ahhhh) poster, the calendar,
and the smaller square promo poster, along with more stickers.....
oh, well, i missed the listening party and my fellow indigoers,
but i got stuff!  well worth the drive in the wee hours of the morn!

i am listening to the cd now.  i'm on scooter boys.  it's really
rockin'!  now, i've heard all the songs at the davenport concert
or on other boots (except for burn all the letters), but hearing
this cd is a brand new experience.  the songs have their
"bells and whistles", sounds that i didn't get a chance to hear
with just a&e and their guitars (which, i loved anyway!!)  many
great "sound effects" with different instruments, background
vocals from guest artists that add nice touches, nice percussion,
a lot going on in these songs......a&e really got artistic with this cd.

you'll all love it!  a teeny part of me still thinks that nothing beats
live though.
it should be even better when they have a complete back-up band to
play the music in its complete, polished versions.  i'm just worried
that a&e will get drowned out amongst all those sounds.  concerts are
notorious for not blending all the instruments well, bad acoustics in
venues,
etc.  i'm perfectly happy with just the girls and their guitars, but i'll
see
in june in oh and mi.  whoooo-hoooooo!!!  can't wait!....second pass
on the cd.....la la la la shame on you! ........shed your skin starts out
really
funkin'...i said funkin', not fu__ing!  like i said, shame on you!

yee-haw!  bye, y'all!  i'm hittin' the hay and some indigo dreams.

lisa, who is not yet back on the list, but.....just had to post again.  so, did
y'all get the jcs video yet????  it is a must have, and it is highly
affordable!

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date:         tue, 29 apr 1997 01:27:41 -0700
reply-to:     daniel kodmur <dkodmur@earthlink.net>
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from:         daniel kodmur <dkodmur@earthlink.net>
subject:      bay area ig tickets?
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hi all!!

anyone know when berkeley greek theater tickets go on sale?

and when is [was?:(] the bay area list gathering?

buying the album in a few hours,


danny

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date:         tue, 29 apr 1997 11:22:24 +0100
reply-to:     bonj1_95@worc.ac.uk
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from:         john bond <bonj1_95@worc.ac.uk>
organization: worcester college of higher edu.
subject:      yes, it's a couple of things.... (again....)

well, first i'd like to apologise to anybody who i offended because
i published the message about my filter - it's just my own way of
dealing with it, but i realise this isn't what everybody wants to
read about. i'm sorry if i hurt anybody's feelings - i didn't mean
to.

as far as sots in the uk is concerned - may 5th, here we come!!!!!
in precisely one week, ladies and gentlemen, i shall have a copy of
sots on my cd player!!!!!!! :-))))) <screams of joy>

john.

"look funny, dress bad, smell nasty.....
you must work for hera...."

hercules.

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date:         tue, 29 apr 1997 06:18:11 -0400
reply-to:     mjg333@aol.com
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from:         mjg333@aol.com
subject:      sots

ok,
  went to tower records at 11:50 pm and waited until midnight and yes the cd
was mine...now the question i have for the list is...i bought what tower
considered the "special edition"  (yes i also bought the jewel case edition)
but this "special edition" was the same as the jewel case except in digi-pak
/ cardboard case...what is the "calendar" cd?  where do we get it? help!!

  after memorizing the "las cruces" boot, it was different listening to the
new cd with all the instruments and background singers.

  all i can say is, i'm glad the girls are back...they bring me peace...

mjg

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date:         tue, 29 apr 1997 06:19:45 -0400
reply-to:     mjg333@aol.com
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from:         mjg333@aol.com
subject:      modern rock live

hey anybody out there tape modern rock live the other day ??  if so please
email me privately...

thanks!

mjg

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date:         tue, 29 apr 1997 06:55:08 -0400
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from:         peachy706@aol.com
subject:      fwd: [fwd: virus alert!

ya'll be careful about this--nasty stuff...

--katie
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forwarded message:
subj:    fwd: [fwd: virus alert!
date:    97-04-28 17:16:29 edt
from:    birmbuck
to:      lancsotis,masino8,duckrwb
to:      farn1965@flare.net,peachy 706
to:      andydavis@juno.com


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subj:    fwd: [fwd: virus alert!
date:    97-04-28 09:20:29 edt
from:    margiebirm
to:      birmbuck,kspringmei
to:      levesque@mci.com,leej@quanterra.com
to:      christina.l.buck@hitchcock.org
to:      bchas,h2oloo@earthlink.com-gregb
to:      hobbiej@usa.redcross.org


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subj:    fwd: [fwd: virus alert!
date:    97-04-28 08:40:57 edt
from:    kspringmei
to:      margiebirm

fyi-i had heard about this before.  my friend sentit to me.
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from:   mliberio@kodak.com (liberio,marina)
to:     pjm@pobox.com (mclaughlin patty), kspringmei@aol.com (springmeier karen)
date: 97-04-25 18:29:14 edt

to: pjm1    --internet mclaughlin patty   kspringm--internet springmeier
karen

*** resending note of 04/25/97 06:31

from: marina e. liberio, staffing, 2/20/ko, x17622, mail:01139

subject: [fwd: virus alert]


fyi. beware! read on.

  =====================================================================


fyi.... this was passed on to rlnthelp. administrators you might want to pass

this on to your users. an explanation of the virus has been attached to the

bottom of this note.


anyone who receives this must send it to as many people as you can.

it is essential that this problem be reconciled as soon as possible.

a few hours ago, someone opened an e-mail that had the subject

heading of "aol4free.com". within seconds of opening it, a window

appeared and began to display all his files that were being deleted.

he immediately shut own his computer, but it was too late.  this

virus wiped him out.  it ate the anti-virus software that comes with

the windows '95 program along with f-prot avs.  neither was able to

detect it.  please be careful and send this to as many people as

possible, so maybe this new virus can be eliminated.


don't open e-mail noting "aol4free" virus alert!!!


be aware that there are  letters going around that you have won free

aol until 1998....or  aol 4 free......  please delete...... contains a

virus that will wipe out your hard drive...... after you download and

it executes.....


subject area of email....... congratulations! you are a winner!


subject area of email.......aol 4 free - get aol for free


senders................................matthews27 or vpvvppvvp


warn  your friends


----- end included message -----


1h-47: aol4free.com trojan horse program destroys hard drives


  author: information security services            dated: 97/04/17 14:16

                        the u.s. department of energy

                     computer incident advisory capability

                            ___  __ __    _     ___

                           /       |     /_\   /

                           \___  __|__  /   \  \___

              __________________________________________________________


                              information bulletin


                aol4free.com trojan horse program destroys hard drives


april 16, 1997 18:00 gmt                                           number
h-47

______________________________________________________________________________

problem:       a trojan horse program called aol4free.com that deletes all

                files on a hard drive is circulating the internet.

platform:      dos/windows-based pcs

damage:        when the aol4free.com program is executed, all files and

                directories on the users c: drive are deleted.

solution:      do not execute this program. if the program starts executing,

                quickly pressing ctrl-c will save some of your files.


______________________________________________________________________________

vulnerability  users who download the trojaned aol4free.com program and

assessment:    executes it will destroy all the files and directories on
their
                dos c: drive.


______________________________________________________________________________


note: this is different from the aol4free hoax message.


ciac has obtained a trojaned copy of aol4free.com that destroys hard drives.


ciac has obtained a trojaned copy of the aol4free.com program that, if run,

deletes all the files on a user's hard drive. if you are e-mailed this file,

or if you have downloaded it from an online service, do not attempt to run
it.
if the program was received as an attachment to an e-mail message, do not

double click (open) it. opening an attached program runs that program, which

in this case deletes all the files on your hard drive. the original

aol4free.com was a program for fraudulently creating free aol (america
online)
accounts. note that any attempt to use the original aol4free.com program may

subject you to prosecution.


note: most antivirus programs will not detect this or other trojan horse

       programs.

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subject:      very bizarre dream

hey, ya'll!

   how's it going?  i had the most bizarre dream last night-and i have to
tell you because maybe you can understand....since it has been pouring over
here in athens, ga for maybe 5 days, i dreamed it was flooding, and my sister
and brother and i had to find a secret hideout at the very top floor of this
hotel (at least that's what it seemed to be).  then we had to take an
elevator--these two girls were also in the elevator (it was very large ;) and
i thought the two girls looked familiar....well, my sister said she had never
seen them before, so i sat down (never sat down in an elevator before..;) and
watched them.  one of them pulled out a guitar and then a realized who it
was---it was melissa etheridge!!  i went absolutely nuts, and my sister kept
saying "are you sure? are you really sure?"...but when i heard her voice i
knew it was her....but guess what she started singing?  language or the kiss!
hmmm...can't quite figure this out..then she let me choose a song and i
asked her to sing "i really like you"--and by this time, the elevator was
packed with people....that's all i remember clearly--i think we had dinner in
the top floor of the resturaunt and she ate with us...but it was one of those
dreams that when you wake up you could swear it really happened!  i believed
it had really happened until about 10 minutes ago... anyway, just thought
ya'll would find this quite, uh, interesting. ;)

hope ya'll have a great day!

love,
katie =)

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from:         mariavee@aol.com
subject:      re: ep & more (rdr)

no excuse, but i was busy as of late and didn't have a chance to call rdr and
order the ep & more vols. (as i had planned, thanx to info from all of you),
but at this point, i'd settle for a taped version.  anyone w/the cds out
there willing to tape it for me? i"ll provide blank tapes and sase.  or, we
could trade but i don't have much in the way of boots.  e-mail me privately
pls.

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subject:      sigc: lilithfair toronto dates

i'll be in the toronto area the same week of the rumored toronto dates (w/ig)
and am wondering if any kind canadian (or otherwise) friend could e-mail me
venue/ticket info (if there is any floating about).  thanks!  sots
today!!!!!!!!!

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at 08:24 pm 4/28/97 -0400, lmd21@aol.com wrote:

>  i taped shawn on regis and kathie lee, but it was awful (shawn was great,
>but regis and kath gave her about two minutes to show a music video clip,
>talk, and perform sunny)  i don't think she'll be going back there.

i thought it was terrible all around... shawn seemed really disconcerted by
the *bad* sound (it was like an echo chamber!), and even grimaced at one
point.  the song sounded awful, which is a shame because it's a brilliant
song representing an equally brilliant album.

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info on confirmed dates for lilith fair is available on the official web
site....www.lilithfair.com....very nice site if i may say so :)

marilyn
every moment of peace is worth every war behind us... emily saliers

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the following review appeared today in the philadelphia inquirer.
copied without permission, the web site where it can be found is:
http://www.phillynews.com/inquirer/97/apr/29/entertainment/girl29.htm

                                                     entertainment

                                                     tuesday, april 29,
1997


          easygoing indigo girls give producing a try
the two decided to take some risks on their new album, ''shaming of the
sun,''
                                 out today.


                               by dan deluca
                         inquirer staff writer


amy ray and emily saliers may never make a really good album, but they
sure are good people.

to spend a few hours listening to the music they make as the
platinum-selling indigo girls is an
arduous task. the fervent vocals. the manic guitar strumming. the good
intentions gone awry in
songs that devolve into a poetic mishmash. there's only so much earnest
you can take.

but to chat with the indigos about music, politics, ellen or the
folkies' sixth studio album, shaming
of the sun (epic), which comes out today, well, that's easy. the indigos
are so open, so
down-to-earth, so nice, that you start to feel like a curmudgeon for not
loving their music.

on an unexpected tour break in philadelphia this month -- a freak
snowstorm had put the kibosh on
their outdoor show at lasalle university -- the girls played tourist and
visited betsy ross' and ben
franklin's historic abodes. they made plans to spend the night bowling
with their road crew at
oregon lanes. and they rented time at sonic studios on delaware avenue
to audition a
multi-instrumentalist who had flown up from the indigo girls' atlanta
hometown hoping to land a
spot on their summer-tour band. (the duo -- plus bassist sara lee,
drummer jerry marotta and the
new hire -- will play the mann music center on may 30.)

after the tryout, ray and saliers sat in a sonic control room and
munched on junk food as they
talked about the partnership that began in suburban atlanta's shamrock
high school in 1980 and
has led to the musically adventurous shaming of the sun (  _1/2), their
first studio album
since 1994's swamp ophelia.

the project represents the pair's first attempt at producing, a task
they shared with longtime indigo
girls' engineer david leonard.

after starting the project with peter collins, who produced swamp
ophelia and 1992's rites of
passage, ''we realized we wanted to try new things to keep it fresh,''
said ray, 33, the dark-haired
indigo, dressed in a red leather jacket and a ''live for jesus!''
t-shirt.

''we needed to carry the load of responsibility ourselves. before, it
was always like someone was
directing us.''

under their own supervision, the indigos decided to take some risks. the
duo's fans will still be
charmed by the blend of ray's sweet, airy soprano and ray's husky alto.
but ''shed your skin''
kicks off with a hip-hop drum loop, and employs the american indian
vocal trio ulali. ''don't give
that girl a gun'' is powered by aggressive guitars. and the album's
catchy first single, ''shame on
you,'' is a bopping, rocking sing-along that features saliers on banjo
and bouzouki, and a guest
vocal-and-harmonica break by country-rocker steve earle.

the instantly accessible ''shame on you'' and the indigo girls'
continually expanding cult following
has led epic, the duo's label, to expect big things of the album,
despite the fact that previous singles
such as ''kid fears,'' ''closer to fine'' and ''the power of two''
failed to crack mainstream radio.

but top 40 success isn't an indigo goal, said ray, with a laugh. ''we'd
probably try to sabotage it if
it happened. it's more important to keep experimenting and keep things
fresh.''

''we do a lot of changing around,'' said the blond-haired saliers, also
33, sporting a sweatshirt with
the words girls football across the chest. ''we change set lists, learn
new instruments, play all
different-size venues.''

shaming is the most overtly political album yet from the two spiritually
inclined artists, who have
long been involved in environmental, women's and gay issues. (they beat
ellen degeneres out of the
closet by years.) ray takes on european colonialism on the awkward,
rocked-out ''scooter boys'';
saliers sings about the burning of black churches in the overly poetic
diary entry ''leeds.''

their 1995 ''honor the earth'' tour, in which they traveled with a group
of american indian activists
and played numerous reservations, was a radicalizing experience, both
say.

''some songs benefit from more nuanced or poetic expression,'' said
saliers. but during that tour, ''i
learned that some songs need to be more direct.''

the indigos are also more willing to sing from a lesbian perspective.
saliers' ''it's alright'' is more
melodically and lyrically direct than most indigo tunes and addresses
discrimination of all forms. its
lyrics -- ''it's alright if you hate that way, hate me cause i'm
different, hate me 'cause i'm gay'' --
further strengthens the bond the duo has with the hand-holding female
couples at their shows.

''there was a long period of time where i wasn't comfortable talking
about my homosexuality in the
press,'' says saliers, who has opened up in the last few years. ''we
didn't want to be gay artists
before we were artists.''

saliers is currently in a relationship she describes as ''very strong,''
and ray, who recently broke up
with a girlfriend of seven years, says she's single and ''not looking.''

they couldn't be more delighted by ellen and degeneres, its now openly
lesbian star. ''the whole
world can map the emotional reactions she had, and all of her fears,''
said ray.

that some sponsors have pulled their ads from tomorrow night's ellen
broadcast ''just shows how
far there is to go,'' said saliers. ''what is the fear? that the whole
world is going to turn
homosexual?''

each of the indigos is a big music fan: ray owns the independent daemon
label, and back home,
both play in pickup bands for fun. their enthusiasm for
singer-songwriting icons such as david
crosby and james taylor is obvious, but in conversation they're equally
excited about patti smith
and the clash, and express solidarity with such political rockers as
rage against the machine.

they're even good-natured about their image among nonfans as a couple of
veggie-patty-eating
earth-huggers who wear their bleeding hearts on their sleeves.

''it's true,'' said ray, laughing.

but saliers would like to make a slight clarification: ''we're sincere.
but when i hear the word
earnest, i think of people who are trying to convert you or convince you
that they're right. we just
sing about things that we care about. and whether people want to listen
to it or not, that's ok.''

            philadelphia online -- the philadelphia inquirer,
entertainment -- copyright tuesday, april 29, 1997

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i was wondering if anyone out there had an idea of how much lililth fair
tickets cost.  i want to try and catch it twice and i'm running out of
money.  any ballpark figure would be helpful.  thanks

kate

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hi all,

first off let me say i am somewhat jealous of those of you who got your
sots cds at midnight last night. on the other hand.... i get the sweet
joy of anticipation for a couple of more hours (come on lunch time!!).

i just had to share this with someone, and i figured some of you out
there might understand...

about 1 month ago i sent an 8 song tape of some my  songs to a friend of
mine who is a musician and whose opinions regarding music i respect. i
asked her to listen to the songs and let me know what she thinks. she
e-mailed me back this morning (the day sots is released, coincidence??)
and said she liked my songs and even though one of them (mary ann
tonight) sounded like an indigo girls song!! she said it had a similar
"harmony, pause and strum" as an indigo girls song.to me that's pretty
damned high praise.

anyhow, i just had to share that with someone. now, back to your
regularly scheduled program.
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tour guide to the obvious,
post-episodic clairvoyant,
bassist/singer/songwriter.

"and at last the world was finally set free,
the animals all hung out and interacted fretlessly
and the world began to vibrate with such a deep tonality
the day the bass players took over the world."
                         -emily kaitz

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subject:      open nostril, insert pocket protector (igc)

hi kiddos

welp the dudeman at coconuts dinnint get any calendars after all, and thus
won't gimme 50.

dont ya just hate it when people tease and tantalize with promises and don't
come through? ugh.

anyhoo, happy sots release day. i think it goes well with a nice muenster and a
orangina!

xo, susanna

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happy "shaming of the sun" release day y'all!

what better way to celebrate this glorious day than to bring to the masses
the absolutely schmabulous mix 98.5/mama kin boot!  here's anj:

hello all you happy indigos! (it's officially april 29th here)

  this is my half of the list...

scorpio -tracy         salray1@webtv.net
sagittarius -anj       boilrmkr@bu.edu
capricorn -liz         lturcotte@star.net
aquarius -joan         joan_ferguson@harvard.edu
pisces -lori           lorbrink@iaw.on.ca
aries -fran            frandigo@juno.com

canada branch -tracey  rlavigne@nbnet.nb.ca

ok, joni here again...here's my half of the list:

taurus: annotatedherb@juno.com (andrea j stamm)
gemini: lorie driscoll <loried@one.net>
cancer: kirsten@spike.wellesley.edu (kirsten chevalier)
leo: simply v <vjt8118@is4.nyu.edu> (veronica)
virgo: jasmine ma <jasmine.ma@yale.edu>
libra: joni cyr <jcyr@mit.edu>
asia/austrailia: "anna p. hidalgo" <anna@fillib.org.ph>
uk/europe: claudine s lapsky <ms41cl@surrey.ac.uk>

i guess that's it...you know the drill...email your sunsign if you want a
copy and make trade/blank tape arrangements with your branch...

anj and i want to thank all who offered to be branches...gosh, we had so
many offers we could've made two trees...and thanks especially to the
branches across the pond and across the border for speaking up!  i know you
will all enjoy it....especially the two cuts from the "lift" cd...[ anj,
you picked my two favorite songs! ]

have a good one everyone....and let the feeding frenzy begin!

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hi all,
i have heard this virus is as an attachment to e-mail messages. just
reading the message won't cause problems, but clicking on the attach-
ment aol4free _will_ execute the virus program. this was first sent
around a few weeks ago and declared a hoax, but later the government
agreed it was a real virus, but still _only_  as an e-mail attachment.
suzanne

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hey, i just went to schoolkids records here in raleigh, and they had a
limited number of signed inserts. i was thrilled!  i may never meet them in
person to have something signed, but this is the next best thing. plus, the
record store gave me the extra insert separately, so now i have two sets of
the lyrics which is very useful!

listening to sys now, #3, and it is different for them.  ever since i heard
the radio version of soy, i've been thinking that their sound seems more
mainstream than ever to me.  then i see their album cover, and their usual
artwork & hand-written lyrics are totally missing.  any thoughts?  are they
going for a more mature or wider audience now, or did they just not have as
much time to prepare the cd this time (spent more time on music)?

enjoy the music today,
jessica

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>
> hi all,
> i have heard this virus is as an attachment to e-mail messages. just
> reading the message won't cause problems, but clicking on the attach-
> ment aol4free _will_ execute the virus program. this was first sent
> around a few weeks ago and declared a hoax, but later the government
> agreed it was a real virus, but still _only_  as an e-mail attachment.
> suzanne
>
this is indeed the case. for the record, it's *impossible* to get a computer
virus just by reading an e-mail message. i'll be happy to explain the reason
why to anyone who replies to this message.

of course, the *real* solution to the virus/attachment problem is to use a
unix system, and therefore, a mailer that doesn't recognize attachments. ;-)
kirsten


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and bend them to fit mine / the world is too good for me, i am such a naughty
girl / but when we're together, we're too good for this world."--ani difranco

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well, according to ticketbastard in seattle, where the tickets to the
gorge show go on sale soon, say that general admission is ~$40, and
pavilion seats range from ~$55-60.  i am a bit floored at the cost, but
chances are i will still go.  the acts that are confirmed are scheduled to
play for at the longest an hour and most are scheduled for a half hour...

to go, or not to go...

jenny neill

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subject:      promo video at borders

got my copy of the cd *and* the promo video at borders first thing this
morning.   it looked like they had about a dozen copies.  they were still
in a box, so you might have to ask for them.  i was at the borders in des
moines, ia.

the video is pretty cool, about 10 minutes with a brief history of ig.  a
few clips from videos and some interviews.

---derek

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subject:      autographed sots liner notes!

   i've been hunting around for the calendar promo and i
discovered that a local store was giving away autographed
liner notes when you buy the cd.  has anyone else received
these?  that was about the only give-away i could find
in the knoxville area, i hope i didn't miss anything.
for the people in the knoxville area, the disc exchange
is where i got the autograph, i don't know how long they
will have them though.  one guy told me they had 20 and
another told me 100, boy i wish they had their act together.
i also heard that cat's had some as well.

kevin

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subject:      re: lililth ticket (nigc)
x-to:         "j. neill" <jlneill@u.washington.edu>

according to the information on sidewalk.com (shameless plug) the ticket
prices are $38.30, $43.55, $54.05


~jessi
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you're going to live.  now."
        -joan baez

> -----original message-----
> from: j. neill [smtp:jlneill@u.washington.edu]
> sent: tuesday, april 29, 1997 7:40 am
> to:   indigo-girls@netspace.org
> subject:      re: lililth ticket (nigc)
>
> well, according to ticketbastard in seattle, where the tickets to the
> gorge show go on sale soon, say that general admission is ~$40, and
> pavilion seats range from ~$55-60.  i am a bit floored at the cost,
> but
> chances are i will still go.  the acts that are confirmed are
> scheduled to
> play for at the longest an hour and most are scheduled for a half
> hour...
>
> to go, or not to go...
>
> jenny neill
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arrrrg!

we should have never asked amy about the "she's already won/one" thing --
did you notice the phrase is completely left out of the liner notes?
she _really_ must like the ambiguity =/

one of those cases where too much contact hurts....

                                -- chris

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subject:      sots

hi-i'm new to the list but have been a passionate fan of a&e since 1989 when
they opened for neil young at the (formerly known as) garden state arts
center in nj....anyhow just got sots and it rocks!!!!!  thank you a&e...
i do have a question though, hope it's not "too" stupid...where is "leeds"?
is it a real place?

also, being new to the list (pretty new to cyberspace actually) i may have
missed this but does anyone know if there are any shows scheduled for
florida?  or do i have to go back "home" for a visit in order to see a&e in
ny/nj????

thanks all,
rose from boca raton, fl (the '"upper echelon of mediocrity")

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subject:      re: nigc-shawn colvin

in a message dated 4/29/97 10:07:28 am, indigo@mindspring.com (deb) wrote:

>>at 08:24 pm 4/28/97 -0400, lmd21@aol.com wrote:

>>i taped shawn on regis and kathie lee, but it was awful (shawn was great,
>>but regis and kath gave her about two minutes to show a music video clip,
>>talk, and perform sunny)  i don't think she'll be going back there.

>i thought it was terrible all around... shawn seemed really disconcerted by
>the *bad* sound (it was like an echo chamber!), and even grimaced at one
>point.  the song sounded awful, which is a shame because it's a brilliant
>song representing an equally brilliant album.

i caught this, too, and was also dismayed at how poorly it was handled.  poor
shawn!

at the beginning of the show, they had sting, trudie styler, and james
taylor.  their interview was also very poorly handled -- c'mon, how much
would it take for regis and kathie lee to be a *tiny* bit prepared to
interview these people?  they talked about the most inane stuff!

heidi d.

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i just called my local hmv for confirmation of the arrival of the new cd,
and had asked about the "promos" that y'all have been talking about...

apparently these are not being released into canada...what the heck is going
on?? talk about border discrimination *sigh* it's bad enough that ig only
comes up here once every few years!!

just had to vent ;)

marilyn
every moment of peace is worth every war behind us... emily saliers

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anyone had any luck getting the calendar today or is it just for
specific music chains?  i tried all three places in the mall here and
no one even knew what i was talking about.  i'd try other music
places in town, but i need to find a car first.  would plan 9 carry
something like this?

anna

"i like to write really quiet songs on the electric guitar."  -amy ray


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fyi, i got the calendar at tower records this morning (man am i glad i
resisted the urge to go at midnight last night! <g>).  they didn't have
sots in the racks, they didn't even have the release listed on the "new
releases" board, but when i asked for the cd and the calendar they tracked
them down... they only had about a dozen of the calendars.  so if you don't
see 'em at your tower, ask -- and if they don't know, make 'em look!

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>>>>=20

<excerpt><bold>

</bold>indigo girls deliver one of the year's best

by jane stevenson

toronto sun

indigo girls=20

shaming of the sun=20

=a0(epic)=20

=a04 (out of five)=20

=a0

the powerful and politically-minded singer-songwriting duo of emily
saliers and amy ray deliver their sixth full-length album, in stores
tuesday, with the help of an impressive guest list.=20

=a0

country renegade steve earle weighs in with backing vocals and harmonic
on the lively lead-off track, shame on you, lisa germano plays violin and
mandolin on the mournful but truly gorgeous everything in its own time --
buoyed by the girls' lush harmonies -- and fellow folkie ani difranco
loans her drummer andy stochansky for two songs.=20

=a0

but make no mistake, saliers and ray do just fine on their own.=20

=a0

recorded in nashville, austin and atlanta, and co-produced by the girls
for the first time, shaming of the sun should go down as one of this
year's most memorable folk albums. make that albums, period.=20

=a0

it's teeming with songs made all the more interesting by their choice of
instrumentation and use of sounds.=20

=a0

=a0a playful banjo illuminates get out the map, chanting-like back-up
vocals (provided by two members of the band ulali) strengthen the hip-hop
inflected, harder-edged shed your skin and the ballad leeds, and a
healthy string section nicely fills out caramia.=20

=a0

=a0the equally wonderful don't give that girl a gun, scooter boys and burn
all the letters fall somewhere between melissa etheridge and sheryl crow
territory, with their more pop-oriented sound.=20

=a0

=a0the duo, who have collaborated in the past with mica, is part of the
rotating lineup for sarah mclachlan's upcoming lilith fair tour, and it
looks likely they'll be part of the toronto leg.=20

=a0

=a0for those interested, the girls also include canadian content on the
album's final track, hey kind friend, in which they sing: "hey kind
friend, don't know when i'll see you again on a ferry boat bound for
victoria."=20


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april 30
llevy03@emory.edu (lori levy)

may 1
markt@iinet.com.au (mark tovey)
happy 26th, mark!

may 4
sac83826@saclink1.csus.edu (teresa c. esguerra)
happy 22nd, teresa!


*note from bg the fourth - there aren't any list birthdays until may
18th, at least as far as i know.  if anyone cares to correct me, i
would appreciate it.

anna

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subject:      what is a bazooki?

sorry for my ignorance....but what is a bazooki?  it is listed as an
instrument played on a few songs on sots.  please respond to me
personally....pjhoopie@aol.com.

thanks y'all
pj

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not even love so fierce it burns like baby stars"
  -emily saliers

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just got a wonderful complement today - a friend was looking at the back of
sots and said that i kind of look like emily!  :)

anna

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when you go to www.indigogirls.com and enter the site, you now get the new
pages. the diary link also has some interesting entries (but very long)
written by a&e about their trip to mexico. the section also includes snap
shots from the visit.  you can view them as a slide show too. check it out.

deb

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hey kind friends!

        chasity and i are heading to new orleans tommorrow morning for jazz
fest and won't be back for about 5 days so i'll be incommunicado for awhile
:0  if anyone needs to reach me for anything before i leave, please send me
a message before midnight tonight (cst) or else i'll get back to you next week.
        salray, i need directions to your work and telephone # so we can
stop for lunch tommorrow.
        if anyone on the list is going to jazz fest and wants to meet up,
please email me tonight :)  tamara are you gonna be able to go??
        sorry for the waste of ig space.

thanks y'all!!
heart! :)
the poultry guy (hi moonbeam! ;)

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the inquirer article noted:

<< epic, the duo's label, to expect big things of the album,
despite the fact that previous singles  such as ''kid fears,'' ''closer to
fine'' and ''the power of two''  failed to crack mainstream radio. >>

i recall ctf being on mainstream radio, as were touch me fall, galileo, least
complicated... at least in large radio markets.  hmmmmm....

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subject:      sots!

i certainly congratulate those of you who were lucky enough to have
access to a midnight release of sots, but for those of us who live in
rural, even podunk towns, were not nearly as fortunate!  some of us had
to wait until the stores actually opened at 9am to get the glorious new
release by our favorite girls!  i must say, despite the wait, i love it!!
i have yet to hear the radio version of soy....damned small town radio
stations..  i'm quite pleased with the new sound that the girls are going
for with this album and cannot wait to see what they do next!!

lisa


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i've been behind on my reading the list lately, so sorry if this has been posted already. if it hasn't, pass it around, and support american.


=========== begin forwarded message ===========

background:

  american airlines is a major sponsor to and supporter of groups like
  glaad, the human rights campaign, the gay and lesbian victory fund,
  the aids action foundation, diffa, amfar, and scores of community-
  based groups representing gays and lesbians.  it is also the first
  airline to adopt a written non-discrimination policy covering sexual
  orientation in its employment practices.

  an unusual joint letter was released to the media on friday, march 14th
  from the family research council, concerned women of america, american
  family association and coral ridge ministries. radical right leader
  beverly lahaye also went on christian "talk radio" on friday to blast
  american airlines because "american's sponsorship of homosexual 'pride'
  events constitutes an open endorsement of promiscuous homo-sexuality."
   she and the other groups have written bob crandall at american to
  complain that the airline has "gone beyond mere tolerance" of gays and
  lesbians.  the full article appears in friday's fort worth
  star-telegram, and possibly picked up by other newspapers around the
  country.

  it has come to the attention of the gay and lesbian community that
  american airline's switchboard and e-mails are being bombarded now by
  homophobic and hateful callers who have been urged by lahaye and others
  to demand the company terminate its gay-friendly policies.


what you can do

  at the end of this note is a petition supporting american airlines'
  stance on gay rights.  if you feel that discrimination is in nobody's
  best interest, add your name to the list below.  and, of course, pass
  it on.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------

if you are the 25th, 50th, 75th, 100th, etc., person to sign this
  petition, please forward this copy to american airlines at:
                        webmaster@amrcorp.com

to american airlines:

we, the undersigned, support your gay/lesbian rights polices and
  commend you for your efforts in ending discrimination.  thank you
  for your dedication to such issues and please continue to remain
  active in the struggle to end discrimination.

1. marybeth kurtz, philadelphia, pa

2. jen faust, goucher college, balto. md

3. heather riley, umbc, balto., md

4. katy schuman, umbc, balto., md

5. rebekka gold, oberlin college, oberlin, oh.

6. danielle hirsch, oberlin college, oberlin, oh.

7. jerrod wendland, oberlin college, oberlin, oh.

8. jon morgan, ohio wesleyan university, delaware, oh.

9. keri rainsberger, indiana university, bloomington, in.

10. cheryl lynn bates, indiana university, bloomington, in.

11. court singrey, indiana university, bloomington, in.

12. carol fischer, indiana university, bloomington in.

13. victoria r. gardner, indiana university, bloomington, in.

14. joshua s. greenbaum, university of michigan, ann arbor, mi

15. tamara grybko, boston, ma

16. jameson hill, san francisco, ca

17. ed roppo, san francisco, ca

18. christopher pratt, mountain view, ca

19. tom lloyd, san francisco, ca

20. brian kliment, san francisco, ca

21. steve christensen, palo alto, ca

22. eva henin, los altos, ca

23. jillaine smith, washington, dc

24. patricia mallin, washington, dc

25. jonathan mertz, washington, dc

26. susan giba, san francisco, ca

27. larry thompson, university of tulsa, tulsa, ok

28. harold moss (aadvantage platinum), san jose, ca

29.  kaitlyn gillaspy, hewlett-packard co., mountain view, ca.

30. adam garen, minneapolis, mn

31.  shane colin, university of minnesota, minneapolis, mn

32.  ami vruno, university of minnesota, minneapolis, mn

33.  coleen lasota, minneapolis, mn

34.  molly cook, minneapolis, mn

35.  molly colins, minneapolis, mn

36.  tom dyrdahl, minneapolis, mn

37.  kelly mens, minneapolis, mn

38.  shelly mens, minneapolis, mn

39.  ivory carlson, minneapolis, mn

40.  karen nelson, minneapolis, mn

41.  peter super, minneapolis, mn

42.  alyssa leonasco, minneapolis, mn

43.  emily flower, minneapolis, mn

44.  estelle vruno, so. st. paul, mn

45.  jean k. quam, minneapolis, mn

46.  eric d. thiel, minneapolis, mn

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subject:      re: sots

finally!!! i've finally got sots!!! it was a real hassle getting it.  this
morning i went to wal-mart being it the only place open at 7:45 am (i even
skipped my first hour class for it).  anyway, i get there and i'm basically
the only person in the store.  i go to look for it and my heart sinks because
i can't find it.  i ask the lady if they have it and she says, "yep.  they're
in the back."  i ask her if she could please get me one and what does she
say..no.  i tried to explain that i've been waiting almost a year for this,
but she says, "no we'll put them out when we have time."  by this time i am
about to start crying, cause i was so excited to get it.  i had to be back at
school at 8:30, so i had to sit through three hours of school knowing that
other people were probably listening to it and i wasn't.  but i sped over to
best buy and bought it.  i'm so excited!!! i'm up to leeds now.  it is so
incredible.  i  love it.  just thought i'd share!
~kelly

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well, i got it.  isn't today just exciting?  it's funny what intricate
plans i created to get this new cd as early today as possible.  i'm sure we
all have our adventure stories.

all i can say is, i'm happy.  get out the map makes me grin like an idiot.

has anyone else here done this?  i find myself wanting to sing along so
bad, but i know like every fifth word.  so i'm like "get out the map, get
out the map, and lay your finger anywhere down...no need to...mmmmfer ouut
lloom...uhhh...on th way out of town..."  (i know the words now, but i just
make up stuff in my fervor to participate.)  i'm sure those driving
alongside me are humored.

anyway, the big day is here.  i hope everyone has the opportunity to get
it; it's as good as you'd expect.

justin

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wooohoooo for me!!

i had to run an errand for work downtown so i snuck in to the record
store to pick up my copy.  woooohoooo!

my first impressions:

a)  a and e seem to have shared each others "sounds" a bit more on this
album.  amy seems to be sampling the softer side of emily and emily
seems to be experimenting with amy's heavier sounds.  interesting.
great!  but interesting.

b)  the production as a whole is very rich and multideminsional.  it's
cool to hear the songs as the "girls" hear it in their minds and as they
want us to hear it.

c)  for the first time ever, i couldn't believe that track #12 was so
fast in coming.  it was the same feeling i get when i'm watching "nypd
blue."  i'll get to the end of the show and i can't believe my hour is
over already - as though there should be a whole 'nother hour.  that's
how i felt when i listened to sots.  like:  "aren't there more songs?"

that's all i've got - time to listen to it again.
scott
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hey y'all!  i'm stuck out here in nowhere, alabama, where  i was lucky to
find the cd this morning.  unfortunately, though, nowhere within an hour of
here has the calendars, and i am practically *dying* to get my hands on
one.  i'd be willing to set up a trade or whatever if someone could pick up
an extra one for me.  please please please let me know if you can get an
extra one!!!!
sue :)

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hi all,
     i didn't know who to send this offer to, but i thought htat i would
posts it to the list and see what comes of it...
     my fiance and i are dying for a copy of bird on fire, but we don't
have a hundred dollars.  we discussed it and i am willing to trade my
copy of the original ig single from indigo records for a copy of bird on
fire.  the single is black vinyk with "everybody is waiting for someone
to come home" and "crazy game".
     if anyone is interested, please email me privately.  i'm hoping that
someone is interested.

smiles,
allison

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yes sots rocks, don't we all agree??
    have to agree with whoever mentioned that a & e are mixing eachother's
sounds, it sounds great.  it's still pretty easy to tell who wrote what without
reading it, but they really seem to pull off getting into eachother's music
this time...
damn i love them.
    and for all of us die hard amy fans...isn't em just too cute in those
pictures?  i can't get over it.  i'm sorry but i think we all just need to
admit it...

*hee*

yay for sots!!!
amy c

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1.  just wanted to wish everyone a happy sots day!  (i'm waiting anxiously for
my friend to get home so i can get a ride to the local record store.  :) )

2.  one question:  what is the deal with the videos?  for those of you who were
lucky enough to get one, what is on it?

3.  i have a copy of the wheaton show if anyone is interested.  (thanks
julie!!)  if there is sufficient interest, perhaps we can tree it.

have a good day, everyone!!

kelly
kfairbairn@stonehill.edu

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hey kind friends,

be careful when you go to pick up your copy of sots (those few of you who
haven't done so already).  i walked the couple miles to sam goody this
morning and in my excitement a) got slightly lost b) walked in front of
traffic twice.  if i'd been driving, i could have caused much more damage,
so my carlessness is just as well i guess.  anyway...listening now...soy is
awesome as i knew, after so much hoopla hearing it off my own copy of the cd
almost made me cry...but i think i liked the simpler, rougher, more acoustic
versions of gotm better...and i'm not at all sure what to make of sys...will
take lots of listens to decide.
the lack of handwritten lyrics is unnerving--any word on why they did this?
and i'm sure i missed this while signed off the list...but what is the deal
with the pic on the back of the cd case? what is amy jumping thru?
oops...late for racquetball...and my partner the country fan will likely not
be sympathetic...ah well :)

amanda

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i went by blockbuster music at lunch - they are giving away autographed
cd liner notes with the cd. (it's selling for $13.99) i asked the guy behind
the counter (who likes the cd, btw) if they really autographed these and he
said yes. i've looked at this thing a long time and turned it this way and
that, looks like they autographed a copy of the liner notes
somewhere/sometime and a bunch of copies were printed. doesn't look like a
real autographed copy to me. but i could be mistaken - i have been known, on
occasion, to howl at the moon.

nancy humphries
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hello on this blessed indigo cd release day!

to all (there were a few) who have been e-mailing me:

i am not anj milner. although i'm sure she is a terrific person, and a
wonderful woman, i have more experience being me. = ) please do not e-mail
me for the mamakin/mix 98.5 boot offer.  i'm not sure how this got mixed
up, and even though i love e-mail from new people, please send along all
boot questions to anj milner  "boilrmkr@bc.edu"  ok?  = )

thanks!!

-liz-

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subject:      wrong college!! (nigc)

(((anj milner  "boilrmkr@bc.edu")))

this should be anj milner  "boilrmkr@bu.edu"

so sorry!! i have friends at bc, it just seemed natural to type that
instead of bu...


-liz-

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i:

...love the new album

...hate digipaks

...managed to get the double-stick tape off the booklet

...wish i'd left it in there cause now i'll probably lose it

...hate digipaks

...think ulali add a wonderful texture to the album

...need to listen to it again, but not on my crummy macintosh speakers

...want to hop in a convertable and drive fast when i hear gotm

...don't like that they lyrics don't use punctuation

...hate digipaks

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i keep on hearing that the indigo girls have added two additional
dates to their madison square garden gig besides the already scheduled
june 3rd date.  i keep on harassing ticketmaster about it but they
don't know anything          and it isn't on their "on sale" list.
does anybody know about the other dates?  if so could you post it to
the list or e-mail me about it?
p.s. the same question in regards to lift playing at the mercury lounge
in ny in early june.  can anybody help?   thanks! jen :)

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she get's into hot water" eleanor roosevelt

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hate me cause i'm gay" emily saliers

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hurrah!

just picked up my cd (on reserve) at the local sam goody
and the manager mentioned that he had no more copies left for those
who didn't reserve their cds beforehand! in fact, he said that he might not
even have enough for those who did place a deposit for a reserve copy!
yikes! thank goodness i have mine safe in my hands!! :)

on a sidebar--did anyone else notice the missing personal "thank you"
section? you know, the "emily thanks god, family , aunt matilda, etc"
why were they not included? i always find those interesting! oh well!

hope everyone's having a grrrrreat day!
:)

t

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for all listees:

totally and completely disregard the last two posts sent by me to the
list. i was in la-la land, and i needed some direction. = )

everything's indigo now!

-liz-

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got to tower in mountain view at 9:15 am and bought the soft cover cd,
forgot in my joy and bliss to even *aks* bout the calendar, damn!!  if
anyone has an extra...

does anyone know the differene between the hard case and the cardboard?

if there is a difference, i might just go back and get the other one.

a big "me too!" (gg) on the blending of a and e's styles on this
album...it's so cool, i feel like they support eachother the whole time.

a bouzouki (bazooki) is a greek guitar type thing.

also, bay area list party tonight!!  woo!

love


larissa

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>i do have a question though, hope it's not "too" stupid...where is "leeds"?
> is it a real place?

not a stupid question at all!! it's a northern city in england.... a very
real place :):):)


sharon. a. jennings
cancer research campaign laboratories
univesity of nottingham
university park
nottingham
ng7  2rd                   (0115) 9513408
england                (0115) 9513414  (fax)

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subject:      sots and a tribute to josh - the man, the myth,
              the borders employee

i was stuck in physics (well sleeping in physics is more like it) at 9am when
all the music stores opened up. my plan was to bolt to borders after school
got out to grab a promo video along with sots.

something in my mind snapped between spectroscopy and electromagnetic theory.
i
casually walked up to my teacher and excused myself to bathroom. and
well....i never went back.

i made a mad dash to my car (avoiding the annoying high school security) and
drove
directly to the mall. not only did i get the video, but ended up leaving the
store with 2
posters and a square flat (i had to promise josh, my new borders friend, that
i'd never step foot in another barnes and noble  :-)).

after listening to the album i flipped through my demo tour boots just to
look at how the songs have changed and evolved. my favorite is still hey kind
friend. this song hasn't received that much attention, compared to the
others, and i just love it. with graduation coming up, i can identify many of
the feelings expressed in this song.

hmph...who needs physics anyway!!

smiles : )
annemarie

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john~
i corresponded with you about wendy bucklew boots. i'm trying to find
out if you were able to boot the caroline aiken show a couple of weeks
ago. i can't get your e-mail address to work. lemme know what's up. hope
everything is alright.
take care,
leann

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at 1:55 pm -0400 4/29/97, liz turcotte wrote:
> i'm not sure how this got mixed
>up, and even though i love e-mail from new people, please send along all
>boot questions to anj milner  "boilrmkr@bu.edu"  ok?  = )

no no no!  liz hunny - we don't want to inundate anj with requests!  anj
sent me your name....that's how you got mixed up in it...sorry for the
mixup!....not to worry ... we had many other volunteers.....ok, i'll pick a
new person for the capricorn branch:

capricorn: debigogrl@aol.com   [ hope that's ok deb o'donaghue...you said i
could call on you if anyone backed out!  :o)  deb....contact anj milner
<boilrmkr@bu.edu> for your copy of the boot.....thanks deb!  ]

thanks y'all!  back to our regularly scheduled programming....

joni  :o)

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i am still capicorn branch member! i'm retracting joni cyr darling's last
post without her permission. i just sent her an e-mail explaining
everything. i'm the geek in all this. i was confused. all capicorns,
please send all boot requests to me,

liz turcotte
lturcotte@star.net
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i've been spending nearly every waking hour working on this computers and
education project and it just gets bigger and bigger and bigger....but
it's starting to feel rewarding now, and as soon as i'm done (by
tonight?  i hope...) i shall post the url so you can all read.  the bulk
of it talks about using computers and well-designed computer programs and
curriculums to improve education, with the specific example of a high
school in west philly, and what penn students can do
community-service-wise to help this and benefit their own education at
the same time.....but it has expanded and my thesis (in-progress) also
talks about the internet and the future.  i think a lot of you will be
interested in reading at least this section (hopefully the rest too?) --
i talk in it about the indigo girls, the listserv, shaming of the sun,
activism, and the secrets of happiness.  how much more interesting can
you get in a paper you'll be graded on???  ;)

as andi mentioned, i got sots (thanks andi for what you wrote--brought me
my first smile of the day!), but i'm not letting myself listen to the
whole thing until my project is done.  i'm rewarding myself with one song
for finishing parts of the project...i'm now up to cara mia...and will
hold off for a while on the review.  anyone who wants to write an in-depth
review--i'm thinking of adding a section for that to color me indigo
unless deb reiser wants to put it in her archives (deb?)--so email me
after i say i'm done with this project and i'll talk to you about it.  i
will, however, comment briefly on the photography.  i was *really*
impressed by the photos on this album, and if anyone knows anything about
keri pickett (who she is, how to reach her, where to find other examples
of her work) please let me know--i'd like to send a few compliments her
way.  with the possible exception of the back cover of nis, i don't think
i've ever seen such good photos of emily not on stage.  she always seems
somewhat guarded and uncomfortable with the camera, but here i can really
get a feel for the rapport and comfort she must have felt with the
photographer.  and amy too feels a lot more relaxed to me, like she's
having some fun even.  it reminds me a lot of the best photo experience
i've ever had shooting other people.....freshman year of college i went
home for fall break and i had an assignment for my photo class to shoot a
series, so i asked my best friend if i could photograph her and her
boyfriend.  we'd all hung around a bunch that summer so they were
comfortable around me, and so we drove out to a random spot of woods in
watertown connecticut and while i was loading my film they began horsing
around.  i had planned to ask them to pose at the beginning, but i
recognized that good photographic moment and began shooting as soon as my
camera was ready.  i shot two rolls, using a zoom lens for some of the
shots to get really close without being intrusive, and wound up with a lot
of good shots, which i later sepia-toned and mounted in a book.  they were
aware of me and interacting with me part of the time, making for some
extremely humorous shots, but for other parts they seemed to forget i and
the camera were there.  i got a series of four photos of them kissing
which is both tender and funny (the wiping saliva off the mouth part is
funny) and reveals a lot about their relationship; i got other images
which reveal their individual characters.  looking at the sots photos i
get the feeling a similar dynamic was going on during that shoot (or
shoots...they're wearing different clothes on the back cover....and no,
i'm *not* insinuating that there was kissing going on, i'm just talking
about the dynamic of amy and emily relating to each other and relating to
the photographer)....and i just wanted to share a bit of that feeling with
you all.

back to writing about how computers can and will be and have been
changing the world...

later y'all,
audrey

p.s. thanks to those of you who mentioned finding promo copies of sots in
stores before the 29th for giving me the idea to look....


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>
> sorry for my ignorance....but what is a bazooki?  it is listed as an


a guitar/mandolin type instrument from, i believe, greece.

often found in cheese shops:

      "'i thought you were complaining about the bazooki player'

       'heaven forbid!  i enjoy all manifestations of the terpsichorean muse!'

       'so he can go on playing then?'

       'most certainly!  now some cheese please!'"

                        -- m. palin and j. cleese

chris (no norweigian beaver cheese today)

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you probably saw liz turcotte's message saying she didn't know how she got
named as a branch on the mama kin/98.5 boot tree, and then my post naming
deb o'donghue as the new branch....well, turns out liz was going thru some
kind of brain death and got confused...she's still going to take the branch.

sorry to confuse everyone (myself included and most definately deb
o'donghue), but i reacted quickly when liz said to send requests to
anj....i didn't want anj getting inundated with requests.  anyway, to make
a long story short....never mind!  liz is still the capricorn branch....

so, capricorns send requests for mama kin/98.5 to lturcotte@star.net

my brain is already fried today.....blech.....<sigh>

joni  :o)

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flipping through an old cmj i noticed that the soy single was released on a
5"...i know very little about these things...what motivates the choice of
that format over 7"?
amanda c. goad
rice pride/rice college bowl/rice veggie club/sid women's football/fondren
govpubs
"funny, i think we were on the same boat/back in 1694..." -- amy ray, "shame
on you"

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the first thing i noticed on the new cd was their faces.  usually, amy has
her face either hidden, looking down, or painted.  most pictures i've seen
are like that.  but, on this one, it is emily who is looking down.  it is
very interesting.
i'm not sure yet how i feel about the various singers and other intrument
performers.  i'm used to the two girls and jerry and sara.  but, this time
there are back-up singers and many people who play instruments.  one thing i
do like is the singing in leeds.  the back-up woman has a very nice voice
and makes the song extremley enjoyable to listen to.
i've only listened to the cd once, so i haven't formed an opinion yet.

mel

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well, got up to get my copy of sots today - but, dontcha know it, wal-mart
claimed they didn't have it.  what a let down.  reminds me of why i use to
boycott wal-mart.  anyway, thank god for circuit city.  i was teased - -
they had the cd plastic separator thingy, but no cds.  i was patient as
they found the box after 15 minutes.  don't record store people (showing my
age *g*) pay any attention to release dates??  apparently not.

anyway, i've listened to it twice already - on the headphones as
recommended by someone here on the list (thanks!) and i do love it.

soy is as great as it was during the map tour.  gotm is great as well, but
i did like it as a solo banjo song as well.  but, i do love this version
too.  sys - not sure what to think of it.  i've already skipped it once - -
i'll have to concentrate on it later.  i love ia, dgtgag, leeds, sb, eiiot,
batl & hkf (okay kiddies - - all new letters to memorize!), but cio and
caramia - not too sure about them yet.  that'll take time.

someone mentioned that amy is getting softer while em is getting harder.  i
didn't think so.  my first time around w/ the cd, i was thinking how hard
amy got. but, we'll all form our own opinion. that's cool.

i called my fav radio station here in houston - mix 96.5 - and requested
soy - and she said "sure i'll play it if i have it."  grrr.  so, calling
all houstonians!!!  let's get a&e some regular air time here.  call your
fav radio station and request soy!

anyway, i'm going back to listen to it more.  take care y'all !
- jen hall

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hi, sorry for the waste but can lisa nordeen please e-mail me back.
it's in regards to the boots.   thanks!  jen :)

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so i decided to get this thing last night at midnight-o-two, because i was
up that late and i wanted to pick up blank tapes to get them in the mail
today. i had already postponed picking up the ani double-live, preferring
to make one large expenditure.  i got them all, tapes and ani and ig, and
picked up the new jill sobule (which i like a lot...super 8 is quite
poignant, and there's a song about prozac...).  ran into pj there (hi
girl) and she was first in the line of, oh, 10 people (they made us stand
outside anyway...silly policy).  just a few brief ig thoughts first:
*i loved sys from the first chord!  when i heard that hip-hop loop in the
beginning i thought i had accidentally changed cds (at listening station
at tower), but when amy starts...it made me weak, it's just so fucking
cool.
*i love the ulali vocals, especially on leeds.  i was so used to my 10 or
so versions of this song on boots that when they came in on the first
bridge i actually looked around the room to find the singers, totally
unsuspecting of backups on this track!  i miss some of the piano
embellishment that em did on tour, though.  some of those great 6ths and
other chords that really rounded out the music have been chopped.
*does anyone else see burn all the letters as a sort of vw-ii?  (kinda
like dar's travelling songs...) this privacy issue is coming up more and
more.  i'm actually surprised that em didn't start singing about it
earlier, since i beleive she was the one who experienced a burglery from a
misguided fan (ugh).  add this to amy's fugative.
*i want to know where the photos were shot.  does anyone know? was it
during the demo tour? cuz the terrain really looks southwestern, and i'm
thinking that they wouldn't have been anywhere near there while recording
in atlanta (& the 2 other locales...athens and ny??can't remember)  em
looks really cute, but i have to admit that opening the digipak up to that
shot of amy just flat out took my breath away.

now, i have a living in clip comment or two, so bear with me:
*i think ani's speaking voice sometimes sounds too damn much like danielle
howle...i mean it's weird!  in that little clip where she's talking about
being in chicago and having to stay in a uofc dorm study room...it could
have been danielle!  i think it's weird that they seem to have this weird
similarity and they happened to hook up to tour together...maybe it's not
totally unlikely that they would have hooked up, but it seems to me that
ani meeting danielle must have come from ani meeting the girls.  any more
info on this?
*on the anigarden list, they've been talking about how the cuts are poor
and the recording is so-so, but the more i listen, the more i am convinced
that the concept and the way it was played out in the album are right on.
anyone with thoughts on this can email me privately.

for now, this is all.  i need sleep.

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well, there are certainly lots of happy ig fans out there!  just picked up
my cd and then took a really long way back to work just so i could listen
to as many songs as possible.

drew vogel wrote:

>...managed to get the double-stick tape off the booklet
>...wish i'd left it in there cause now i'll probably lose it

thanks for the warning.  i thought about that!

>...need to listen to it again, but not on my crummy macintosh speakers
>...want to hop in a convertable and drive fast when i hear gotm

you took the words right out of my mouth!

jill, who's expecting twins in september and can't think of one good reason
not to name them amy & emily! : )


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hey y'all....just to make a distinction...someone asked what amy was
jumping through in the pic on the back the cover of the cd...and i was
talking to chris becker about the picture...but i have both the promotional
advance copy and the regular cd....there's a different picture on the back
of these two cd's.

the advance promotional copy's picture on the back looks like it was taken
at the same location as all the pics in the regular cd, but on the
promotional cd back cover, amy doesn't have the jacket on...she just has on
the long sleeve shirt with what looks like black dots on it (you can see
the shirt on the regular cd...it's the b/w photo of amy in the foreground
and emily in the backroung when you open the cover).  on the promo cd,
emily is wearing something totally different than what she has on in the
pics on the regular cd...she looks more dressed up, with a beret-type hat
on...the whole photo looks like it was taken with a blue filter...it looks,
well, indigo....including em's hair (it looks blue).

jus wanted to clarify...later y'all.....


joni  :o)

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ok, y'all with digipaks can solve the "limited edition" mystery. most of us
seem to agree the limited edition advertised for sale on the web (cdnow and
musicblvd) is just the digipak. the reps at cdnow and musicblvd claimed it
was actually a different cd with longer/bonus tracks (which i suspected was
just a ploy to get us to order it from them. after the release they could
claim innocence saying they had incorrect info from their distributor).

anyway! i have the jewel case (yahoo!!) and the number on the spine is
67891. this is the same number as the regular release on the cdnow site. so
i'm guessing the limited edition's number (68019) will also be found on the
spine for the digipak. could someone check? thanks. :)

a few notes:
a) when i went to the store (an hour after opening) they didn't even have
sots out on the "new releases" rack yet. boo. i had to ask for it and they
pulled a stack out of the back. the guy behind the counter said "ooh, the
long-awaited new indigo girls cd" and i said something intelligent like
"uh, yeah" cause all i was thinking was "gimme gimme gimme!" (i am so
one-track-minded sometimes). i did have enough sense to ask about
promos/calendars and he said no. :( i forgot to ask about special ordering
sots on vinyl.

b) they did have a very nice ani difranco display in the corner window.

c) i was so excited upon returning home i left sots sitting in my car and
didn't realize this until i was inside the apartment and ran to the cd
player empty-handed (heehee).

d) it rocks! :) on "cut it out" right now and i know this cd is living in
my cd player for quite some time. oh man...

e) i love the picture on the inside with amy spinning around and emily
looking over her shoulder right at the camera. i love the look on em's
face! :)

f) those dolls are still creepy!

g) did anyone else feel really surreal driving to the store? i kept
thinking "wow, i'm actually gonna have the cd in like 10 minutes" and it
felt sooo weird... i shouldn't have been driving at that point, i was being
kinda spacey about the event. :)

kristina

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   well i got my copy at sam goody after calling many a place trying to find
the limited edition....it was worth it...
but while in a local cd store i found mm and drag the river arista promo
called "fires over atlanta"
it has 5 songs from a live 99x concert i suppose...anyone want me to pick it
up for them? is this rare....hrrmmm
   also i picked up the target limited edition starter kit that's put out by
sony it has 7 songs on it including....galileo, least complicated, ghost,
three hits, kid fears, closer to fine, and one more...i can't remember...but
it's 5.99 at your local target store, also check out the poster for it
hanging in the store...neato!
happy day

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well, i got it...

well actually i got it for my wife, so i can't even open it up yet (talk
about hard!!!)...

i also bought a copy for a friend who i am going to turn on to the
girls...

now i am very jealous od all these folks talking about getting
posters/calendars/autographed liner notes/flats/etc...  (oh, throw cd
singles in there too)  i live in a southern california suberb (simi
valley) and none of the local record stores (tempo, blockbuster,
wherehouse, borders or tower in northridge) know anything at all about all
this promo material thats being given away.  talk about feeling left out
in the cold on an 80 degree day...  :<

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subject:      nigc - ellen

i apologize profusely if this has been posted already (i, too, hate duplicate
posts) but my e-mail has been a bit troublesome lately and i fear that i am
not getting all of my my digests.
so, at the risk of wasting bw (but for a very good reason), here is a reprint
from the disappear fear list:

please forward to everyone you know today!  go get 'em!

----------------------------original message----------------------------
fellow grass roots and couch potato activists:

i called the number and it works.  in the paraphrased words of that famous
politician:  call early and often!
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forwarded message:

"i received the following phone number and made a quick call to let
chrysler know that i think they should have retained their sponsorship of
the april 30 "ellen" episode.  simple -- you just push a couple of buttons
(2 for their media/pr line; 1 for their current media events line; 2 for
their "ellen" line, and then 2 to disagree with their decision to pull
sponsorship.)

you don't have to talk to a human, you just basically vote with your
phone.

it's easy and fast and free.  so let's do our part cuz the fundies are
calling in too!  thanks!!!!!  here's the number:

1 (800) 992-1997  (and select options: 2, 1, 2, 2) "

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hey y'all,

nancy humphries <nancy@rbdc.rbdc.com> wrote:

> i've looked at this thing a long time and turned it this way and
> that, looks like they autographed a copy of the liner notes
> somewhere/sometime and a bunch of copies were printed. doesn't look like a
> real autographed copy to me. but i could be mistaken - i have been known, on
> occasion, to howl at the moon.

i'm pretty sure that every sots autographed liner note you will find is
genuine.  when i interviewed i.g., they had this huge box full of just
the liner notes, all to be autographed.  i asked them about it, and amy
kinda sighed heavily and said it was a promotional thing.  we started
joking about having to sign your name so many times....and well, it was
funny.

amanda c. goad" <mander@owlnet.rice.edu wrote:

> flipping through an old cmj i noticed that the soy single was released on a
> 5"...i know very little about these things...what motivates the choice of
> that format over 7"?

i'm not sure if you meant why a 5" vinyl(?), but 5" usually means a cd,
specifically a "cd5" single.  are you a d.j.?  (cmj=college music
journal)  just curious... :)

lurve,
feather (who is listening to sots for 3rd time today :))))

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check out the new web site at www.indigogirls.com-

-there are some great photos of e&a, michelle malone and sara lee
-there is also a cool video clip

happy release day everyone!

emily
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hey everyone!


   to my amazement i managed to get a hold of the album last night at 8 pm
instead of this morning at 8...let me just express how impressed i am by this
incredible album. they can do no wrong and even their wrong would be right. i
personally cannot stop listening to it...in school, in the car, in every room
in my house..it comes with me. so what's everyone's favorite song now that
y'all have had a day to listen? i have already decided........dgtgag. so let
me know...just curious.


ilana

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is it just my imagination or does amy really sing/pronounce spokane wrong?
;) she sang it right in all the concerts. weird! heehee. it's spo-can (as
in tin can) not spo-cane. heehee. hmm listened to it 3 times and it still
sounds like she's really saying "cane" on the end. no big deal, we get used
to that around here. it's fun listening to people try and pronounce places
like puyallup for the first time too. =)

of course someone from spokane will prolly tell me the correct
pronunciation is actually spo-cane and we've been saying it wrong this side
of the cascades all along. =)

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>anyway! i have the jewel case (yahoo!!) and the number on the spine is
>67891. this is the same number as the regular release on the cdnow site. so
>i'm guessing the limited edition's number (68019) will also be found on the
>spine for the digipak. could someone check? thanks. :)

yes, the digpak is 68019. i posted a few weeks ago that epic said the so
called "limited edition" was the same cd but that it was just being
packaged differently. those web vendors didn't know what they were talking
about.

>i forgot to ask about special ordering
>sots on vinyl.

so far vinyl is not available. epic wasn't sure if they would release it in
that format. i could be a month before they decide.

deb

(who actually got her non-ig loving gf to head to borders in bloomington,
in to get me another cd so i could get the promo video :)

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hello all,
        for those of you who hate digipaks, i'd be happy to go get you a
normal jewel box version of the cd.  they have both at the blockbuster
music here in mississippi.
        by the way, i went by one store this mornign to buy the cd and
they said they didnt' have it!! what nerve! i promptly went to another
store and was glad because i also saved 3 dollars :) don't go to be-bop
record shop!

peace,
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i stopped at waterloo records during lunch and grabbed a copy of sots
(there were two women in line in front of me with their copies!) now i
have it in my cd player in my computer trying to listen to it without
letting my boss know that i am accomplishing exactly zero amount of
actuall work!! it's hard to keep the volume down!! can't wait till i can
go home and listen to it on a proper stereo.

soy is so cooooolll!

i think this weekend i will have to put it in the cd player start the
truck get out the map and have myself a road trip!

peace,

dan perkins
tour guide to the obvious,
post-episodic clairvoyant,
bassist/singer/songwriter.

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the animals all hung out and interacted fretlessly
and the world began to vibrate with such a deep tonality
the day the bass players took over the world."
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> i've looked at this thing a long time and turned it this way and
> that, looks like they autographed a copy of the liner notes
> somewhere/sometime and a bunch of copies were printed. doesn't look like a
> real autographed copy to me. but i could be mistaken - i have been known, on
> occasion, to howl at the moon.
my liner was pretty clearly an original autograph-  the pen had bled through
to the back.  so i think they're original-
fwiw,
jessica

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this is a tape put out as a promo by arista records which is a five song
cassetts from a show michelle did with drag the river at the cotton club
in atlanta.  it predates 99x (back then it was power 99 and wouldn't have
played local music in a million years...) and it is pretty cool.  there's
also a much more limited edition video from the same concert, which i
have seen for sale (at rainy day?) for 30 dollars or so.

anyways, i was at the cotton club show and i won both the cassette and
the video at a tower records appearance that dtr did around that time, so
i'm happy to have them...

on a igc note - i just bought the cd.  i'm gonna go listen to it just as
soon as i finish checking email...

darren

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i made a tape of the modern rock live show, and it seems good to me,
although i'm not very picky or much of an audiophile.  unfortunately, i
don't have cassette duplicating facilities so i can't really make copies
for people.

however, i did have a couple of copies made at a store.  if there is
anyone who can make copies for other people or possibly set up a tree,
especially if you have another recent radio show or something else to fill
the other side (50 minutes) of a 100 minute tape, i would be glad to send
you a copy.   this applies to one or two people - i didn't have that many
tapes made.

let me know,

alison
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at 12:50 pm 4/29/97 edt, lisa r johnson wrote:
>i certainly congratulate those of you who were lucky enough to have
>access to a midnight release of sots, but for those of us who live in
>rural, even podunk towns, were not nearly as fortunate!  some of us had

some major markets, like dallas, are actually pretty poor on ig. i couldn't
find a midnight release in a city of 2 million. blockbuster/bestbuy never
got--and don't have now--any singles. and promos...? displays? well, i do
have dreams.

i tend to blame the problem of ig ignorance on blockubster: a store on
every corner: two within walking distance of my house alone, all alike, all
geared to those folks i call the "five minute majority." all doing together
their best to end selection and choice in records.

on the other hand, i *do* have the album. so, i'm basically happy. i'm
almost bouncing. i am singing along at the moment. there is hope in the
world......

happiness, decent record stores, and ig.
tony
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on tue, 29 apr 1997, kristina wrote:

> anyway! i have the jewel case (yahoo!!) and the number on the spine is
> 67891. this is the same number as the regular release on the cdnow site. so
> i'm guessing the limited edition's number (68019) will also be found on the
> spine for the digipak. could someone check? thanks. :)
>
confirmed. 68019 is on the spine of the digipak.

> g) did anyone else feel really surreal driving to the store? i kept
> thinking "wow, i'm actually gonna have the cd in like 10 minutes" and it
> felt sooo weird... i shouldn't have been driving at that point, i was being
> kinda spacey about the event. :)
>
no comment.

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hi kfs...
got my cds (one for home & one for work)....wow's all i can say right
now. picked it up on the way to working out with my trainer who is
helping me get my arm and shoulder back in action after an injury last
nov. so i popped in the cd there.amazingly she said she didn't know that
much about them or their music(she's a big me fan). when i went to leave
she didn't want to give my cd back:0. now she says she's going to have to
get all there cds, and wants to buy 4 tickets  for wolftrap!ha!
back to listening.
marilyn

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..still crazy after all these years.. (p. simon)

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right after the line "let it rip" there is a sound in the
background....when i listen closely it sounds like "eee" but when i am
not listening for it it sounds *very* much like someone is saying my name
and i just heard the last half.  let me clarify: it sounds very much like
someone is saying my name to get my attention to tell me to turn the
volume down.  aaaaggghhhhhhhh!!!!!   this got me not once, not twice, but
three times so far....i keep expecting my roommate to knock and open my
door all pissed off at me.  (the first time i played it the volume was
fairly low, but it was around 2am, and when i tried playing ani a few
weeks ago at that time of night she was most certainly *not* happy.  why, i
have no clue.....;)  i am so glad to know that's just part of the
song and not my roommate, but it still does weird things to my skin each
time i hear it.  wonder if that's the intention???


later y'all,
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really the same woman who penned back together again???  gives me hope
and humbles me in a huge way...    has emily said anything about this
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okay so by now one has heard the cd several times, sung it a few times,
read the lyrics 50 times and had the pictures practically up in one's nose
all the better to get a good view of them.

so is it just me, or is there anyone else out there thinking that amy's
songs on there are ....well... kind of sad. it's not just about causes and
the plight of the downtrodden here and there, but about intimate
relationships. i mean, unless i am totally misunderstanding what she is
trying to say hey kind friend, don't give that girl a gun, cut it out...all
of those are so sad. what is going on???? tell me i'm wrong and she wasn't
sad :(

chiapas bound gets my loud, whistling, cheering vote, as does everything in
it's own time. everybody in my office has had an earful of ig today too.

and...... i got my autographed liner from the fw show today!! it says
urvashi & marcia, has a peace sign on there, and has amy's signature with a
heart on it and emily's name written. i love it!
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hello indigals and indiguys!

two questions and a comment:

1.)  after picking up four copies of sots (yes, four), i browsed around the
store and i found a copy of nis and botby.  now, normally, that doesnt mean
much, but these babies were in the original cd footlong cardboard boxes from
way back ago.  does anyone know if these are worth anything?  (i was gonna
buy 'em up just for the hell of it, but my mastercard self destructed when i
reached for it...)  if anyone knows the deal with these things, lemme know...

2.)  who else got shafted by the music stores with the promo calendar/promo
video deal?!   <suzi b. marine, here's a plan: i'll hold down that guy from
coconuts while you jam-shove that lovely pocketprotector up his (_|_)  and
then you can help me do the same with the idiot i had to deal with...>

3.)  shed your skin -- oh mah gawd this song rawks...um, i've been trying to
figure this out on guitar, and i was just wondering...does the tempo changes
mess up anyone else beside me?  one minute the song is jammin, then it just
slooows down  (i have a habit of rushing though...hmm...maybe thats why i'm
screwing this all up)  any tips from anyone who is more musically/guitrally
inclined would be greatly appreciated.

hmmm....that's it for now...hope everyone remebers to breath while they
listen to sots :::::::breath in...breath out...breath in...breath out::::::
(remember all, we have a folk album to look forward to!!!)

later people!

---sue


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here is the official response i got from daemon records when i asked if they
will be carrying ig rarities now that rdr isn't anymore:

>>hey,

sorry, we won't be carrying any indigo girls stuff.  it might be kind of a
conflict in interest since amy owns the label.  at this point, i don't know
of any place to tell you to get that kind of stuff but if i hear anything
i'll let you know.  oh, you might get some info on the indigo newsgroup.

thanks,
andrea<<

so, now we know.  that answers that question!

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hey, ya'll....

    is it true that melissa etheridge is going to be on ellen wednesday
night?  and the ig are going to be on rosie @ 3 on friday?  i am going to
have to tape it--i hate school! :)  hope everyone is doing terrific! =)

  oh, and, btw, my five favorite films are:

1. what's up doc
2. blazing saddles
3. independence day
4. mrs. doubtfire
5. emma

  yeah!  there is my input!

love,
katie =)

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hey y'all! last night i went to a local record store to join in on all the
hoopla surrounding sots (i already had the cd but was curious to see how
everyone enjoyed it). well, there weren't very many people there (maybe 20
at the most) but it was a lot of fun.

anyhow, there was a trivia contest and i won! they gave me an autographed
copy of sots. it says "hope you enjoy. love, emily" and "something something
for something. amy ray." i cannot for the life of me make out what amy
wrote. they are authentic autographs, not copies. well, i don't think
they're copies. if they are, oh well. i had a big enough high winning in the
first place! the questions were really easy for me (thanks to this list). i
actually answered them all correctly. if anyone is interested in knowing
what the questions were, let me know and i'll send them to you. it might not
be until tomorrow, however, as my computer is in the shop. i'm on my sister's :(


personally, i think sots is their best yet, but then again, i think that
every time a new album comes out ;) got a mr. limes for y'all. i was letting
my mother listen to "get out the map" yesterday, and she said "i really like
that line "sucks that gutter dry." i said "momma, the line is "sucks that
_good earth_ dry" not gutter." she said "well, either way it makes sense."
and i suppose it does :)


jendy

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from:         "j \"tigger\" kickliter" <emilyamy@aol.com>
subject:      re: ig faces
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it's weird, mel said that on the cd em is looking down instead of amy.  i was
just remarking about 20 minutes ago that on the cassette (which i bought at
wal-mart last night and posted about and the post made it to the list 13
hours later......) there is not a single picture of amy's face.  all the
pics, she is either has her back to the camera, is jumping out the window in
the old house, and it got her back, or else it is far off to the side and you
cant really see her, and there is one pic where em is giving the camera "talk
to the hand" and so you can't see anything except the palm of her hand, and i
noted she wears rings on all 4 fingers but i couldnt see her thumb.

so that's the cassette.  my cd should get to me today or tomorrow (thank you
wabb!!!!!!!!!!!) and i cant wait to see it!  :)

peace, harmony & indigo,

tigger, high priestess of amyism (emilyamy@aol.com)
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well, i'm bummin'. fed ex was supposed to deliver my new sots cd's from
cd now today and all that was in the box when i got home from work was
the kim richey cd and a back order for the ig cd's. grrrr

so, i'm on the way out to buy it at a store :(
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subject:      re: spokane and bouzouki stuff

kristina was right when she asked:

>is it just my imagination or does amy really sing/pronounce spokane wrong?

i grew up in spokane!  there are people who say >spo-cane.<
there are people who say >ore-gone< (as opposed to ore-gun).
there are people who say >worshington< (as opposed to washington).

if these pronunciations ever come out of your mouth, we know that
you are not a native!

and then pj asked what a >bazooki< is...

it's a greek instrument--sort of an octave mandolin (tuned in 5ths).  it's
kind of like a viola to a violin.  it's used in greek music and in irish music.
i own and play one (one of the bands i'm in plays irish music...).
and, (ducking and running because i don't want to start
another spelling flame war...), the correct spelling is >bouzouki< not
bazooki.

i used to win all the spelling bees in grade school.

ann

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subject:      the sots anticipation is killing me!!!

arrrggghh.....when will this day be over???  i wanna get home and listen to
"sots"!!
i was going to go to tower at midnight to get the cd but i decided to wait
and get it at
borders so that i could get the 10 minute promo-video.  i called around 11
and they said the videos had come in.  i called my g/f in a panic because i
couldn't leave work (i was fighting a payroll deadline) and being the
sweetest person in the world she left work to go get the cd and promo-video.
i haven't been able to concentrate all day....and now she called me to tell
me she might not be home right when i get home...running
errands etc.  so i gotta wait until she gets home before hearing the cd and
watching the video.  i'm gonna absolutely die!!

rose

p.s.  for those of you on the list that noticed the "marriage proposal"  a
few weeks                ago and are curious, i said yes :-)  i just about
died though when i realized she              had sent the proposal via the ig
list...and she isn't even subscribed to it.

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>a)  a and e seem to have shared each others "sounds" a bit more on this
album.     > amy seems to be sampling the softer side of emily and emily
seems to be > experimenting with amy's heavier sounds.  interesting.
great!  but interesting.

yes!  i noticed this too.  very cool, our sterortypes of amy and emily's
styles have just crashed an burned, and i don't care!  what a great
album!

jeremy

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subject:      sots wow!

what an album!  bought it as best buy right after school.  i almost
freaked because i didn't see it immediately, then i saw they had a whole
section of the new cd under the normal section.  i zoomed home, and
played it.  my cats kept running through and making noise so i grabbed
them and made them dance with me to soy.  what and album!  shed your skin
was so great, i can't understand why so many people are having trouble
with this song.  caramia, dgtgag, and leeds were all great but will
require a few more listenings before that confused "what is this song
about?" feeling goes away.  what an album!  oh i'm now babbling, anyway
it's great if you haven't yet buy it!  i got it at best buy for $11.99.
what an album!

jeremy

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>reply-to: jessica <jjurbani@uni00po.unity.ncsu.edu>
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>
> ever since i heard
>the radio version of soy, i've been thinking that their sound seems more
>mainstream than ever to me.  then i see their album cover, and their usual
>artwork & hand-written lyrics are totally missing.  any thoughts?  are they
>going for a more mature or wider audience now, or did they just not have as
>much time to prepare the cd this time (spent more time on music)?
>
i was beginning to wonder if i was the only person feeling this
way.  granted, change is usually good, but there are several things
i really don't like about this album (can't believe i just said that)
mainly, there is no mystery to it...musically.  predictable harmonies,
the background and foreground sounds are so....i don't hardly know
how to describe it, theres no depth.  what i love most about ig is the
subtle intricacies, the quiet melodies being played in the background,
constantly discovering something you hadn't heard the 100 times before.
the songs themselves are great... but they seem so glossy, i feel like pop
music just threw up all over ig.     just my opinion, i don't luv them any
less.....  i just wouldnt pick this cd as a top 5 stranded on an island
choice.

i'll shut up now :)
trinket


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subject:      mr. limes

it's a happy happy day, isn't it?

well it seems that from this past summer's and spring's boots have played
tricks on my ears.  you see, i ignored all the messages which posted the
lyrics to the new songs so i could do my own little interpretation before the
songs were released.  jeez, what a goofball i am.

leeds:  "it's dark at four piano leeds"  (i guess i was overwhelmed by
emily's piano playing)
            "well fed and halfway drunk i ate myself a moor"

um, i guess that's about it.  btw, the sots liner smells soooooo good! ;)

sheri, the mad liner-sniffer :p

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> g) did anyone else feel really surreal driving to the store? i kept
> thinking "wow, i'm actually gonna have the cd in like 10 minutes" and it
> felt sooo weird... i shouldn't have been driving at that point, i was being
> kinda spacey about the event. :)

i offended some people with my comment and looking back at it i realize how
irresponsible it sounds. if someone else had written this even i would have
thought "what a dork." ;) i was in a rare silly mood when i wrote it and
didn't censor/edit my writing like i normally do when writing to a public
list.

i was hit by a drunk driver when i was 11 and my brother was almost killed
in a bad accident that flipped his car on snoqualmie pass three years ago.
i understand that drunk driving (or just plain bad driving) is not a joke
and i apologize if anyone felt i was being flippant or even serious. i did
not endanger my life or anybody around me on the drive to the record store
this morning. i was as careful a driver as always (9 yrs driving without an
accident or speeding ticket) and i did not mean my comment to be taken
literally. sorry guys, i'll think before i post in the future. it *did*
feel weird to know i was going to finally get that studio album it seems
we've been waiting eons for. :)

could sots be any better?!?! ok i miss chiapas bound but it'll be on the
folk album and i am just so in love with sots as it is... i am really taken
by "burn all the letters" which i had never heard before today. beautiful!
i adore the backing vocals on this song. :)

kristina

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soy- great as always, no suprises here
gotm- much better than live versions-love them bongos
sys- damn! one of amy's better songs
cara mia- i really think this is my new favorite emily song...although
the verses do sound like "mystery"
it's alright- rocks a bit more on the cd than live,needed that extra kick
leeds- great song but can ulali-they became really annoying mid song
dgtgag- much better live but still good
scooter boys- wow! i like this new harder amy!
burn all the letters- sweet, this one will grow on me,but again ulali
needs to go.
cut it out- i expected more...great ending though
remember everything i told you- really good, great lyrics..i would have
liked to hear a little bit of a string arrangement
hey kind freind- i barely know this song and i feel nostalgic listening
to it.

-i honestly think that musically this is their best album. they really
needed to go somewhere with their music and they finally did.they finally
built the bridge between alternative and folk and have created a sound
all their own.

ben

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subject:      winthrop???

hey all,

i'm sorry if this is a ridiculously obvious question, but i have to ask.  on the
las cruces boot (thanks tom!) i fell in love with winthrop and the haunting
voice/piano combo.  is this not a new song?  a cover?  really old?  or just not
ready?  i was heartbroken not to see it there this morning, but everything else
on the cd more than makes up for it.

and while i'm here, i would be absolutely the last one in the world to get upset
at the girls, but what is up with their promotion people?  shame on you has
still not been released official (right?), but there certainly has never been
any shortage of release dates.  first the week of april 2nd and then the 24th.
and not one music store employee or their computer know what is going on.  is it
coming or not?

oh and one more question about the cd.  remember a few weeks back when people
were talking about some enhanced/multi-media thing on the album?  but my edition
(the digipak), has nothing of the sort.  anybody know anything?

well, i guess that's it.  happy sots day!

marivel danielson

"now i see your face before me
i would launch a thousand ships
to bring your heart back to my island
as the sand beneath me slips"

              emily saliers/indigo girls
                      "ghost"

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subject:      soft case sots  - sounds different?????
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these versions sound different from what i heard on the radio....

soy
get out the map

what is the deal????

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subject:      (nigc)  attn taurus people for mama kin boot!

sorry for the nigc but....

i guess i was delete happy, so could marge and her sig. other please
e-mail me back!  i didn't realize what boot you were talking about and i
thought it was posted to the list! i'm so sorry!!

for future reference taurus':

put something in the subject line like "mama kin boot" or "hey andrea"
that way i know its private mail and not something posted to the list.

so, if i don't get back to y'all by tomorrow, just e-mail me again.

sorry for the wasted bandwidth.

andrea

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hey y'all... i'm in the middle of reading of em & amy's experience in la
realidad - which is probably where the pics on sots were taken.  i know em
writes music extremely well, but to read a "story" she wrote - - she should
write a book or something.  reading her writing - i can see what her eyes
saw.  she's extraordinary.

but anyway, it's a long piece, but it's very interesting.

just though i'd let ya know.
- jen hall

ps:  hey dan perkins!!  get back to work!!!  =o)

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subject:      hey kind friend

indigo indigo indigo girls
hello,
     i've just bought shaming of the sun.  it is an amazing compilation of
many driving acoustic melodies as well as some soft mellow tunes.  the album
is great.  everyone buy it!!  it's alright  is such a happy song.  it's
really good.  i feel like dancing when i hear it... well everyone it's great
so buy it and enjoy!!

kira.

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i saw a segment on entertainment tonight which reported that the show has
actually sold all of its advertising time and for about double the going
rate.  so, i guess that answers that!  and oh, it also showed that
volkswagon is going to premier a new gay couple commercial.  abc wouldn't
accept the ad for olivia cruise lines, but some local stations are going
to show it.

on mon, 28 apr 1997 guinione@aol.com wrote:

> are there going to be any commercials shown during ellen ????????????
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favorite track: shed your skin
hands down! i bet i've played it 75 times since 1:30pm. i want to place my
vote that it should be the next single (sorry es fans). the "come on over
part" and the phrasing that follows just kills. and could it be that sara
brought a few licks back with her from her stay with ani? sounds like it to
me.

most confusing opening: it's alright
whenever i hear john mellencamp's just another day i always think it's ia,
now when i hear ia i think it's just another day.

the one thing i need to get used to the most: the coronet in hey kind friend
hkf is such a soft song, at least to me and the coronet comes across as
harsh. i would have opted for a french horn. i love the song, but that part
just isn't sitting right just yet.

the one thing the coronet may prompt me to do: learn the part on the french horn
i used to play in high school so why not? maybe i'll bring it along to a
show and i can get on stage. hey greg, wanna make me a sign???:)

the one thing the coronet part prompts: images of vaudeville
seriously, along with the snare and bass drum and cymbal, i get this black
and white image in my head much like the scene's in kd lang's video for
constant cravings. that and civil war images by mathew brady. really,
that's what i think of.

the one thing about hkf that makes me go "huh?": benjamin's words
all i can make out is, "it's so hard when (messed up swallowed words) that
you just gotta run away." a free gift to the first person who tells me the
full line.

song that most reminds me of caramia: burn all the letters
the phrasing of the line "caramia" and the line "burn all the letters" is
way too similar for me.

song that most reminds me of burn all the letters: caramia
ditto the remarks above.

song i like reading the words of  more than listening to:  tie -- burn all
the letters, everything in its own time
can't explain why just yet. i'll try to figure it out if you care.

song who's ending may end up bugging me more than fare the well's: leeds
ditto the remarks above

line that i most want to rewrite: but i can't pray my way through or around it
i want it to be "but i can't pray my way around or through it." it just
seems much more balanced to me that way.

most stupid thing i noticed: emily's name in the credits for burn all the
letters is written in a larger point size than all the others. no, the same
thing didn't occur in the credits for caramia :)

packaging comments: i got the digipack and all i can say is that i'm glad
i'm also getting a jewel case edition. glueing the lyrics booklet down was
not a wise call. designers should know better (i can say that, i am one).
and although i understand wanting to print the "walking in the desert" shot
as a spread, i don't care for lyric books that are gate folded. they are
inconvenient for viewing while listening at work or other confined space.

other than those things, i love it! :)

deb

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sorry in advance to all you non-jews who are gonna have no clue what i'm
talking about, but i had to share this one.....

you know how adon olam can be sung to practically any tune?  well, i was
on my way to dinner, singing to myself as usual, and when i stopped to
listen to myself i realized i was singing adon olam to the tune of
nothing other than shed your skin!

take it how you want, but i think i have another entry to add to our
collection of ig drinking games.   hmm, lets see....get out the map is
sounding pretty good right now....it's alright works....chickenman is
okay but it feels somewhat sacriligious (sacrilige against chickenman i
mean, not against adon olam...you can see where my spirituality comes
from...)....

if you want to play, try out whatever songs you can and send me
commentary via private email.  i'll post a compilation to the list, but i
don't want to start a thread that is exclusionary, which this would be...

b'shalom,
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even though everyone is overwhelmed by a million messages these days, i thought
i would add just one more to the pile.
my sots mr. limes of the day:
in "cut it out," amy says,  "my my my rockstar..." but i always thought that
she was saying, "hey mom i'm a rockstar!"  i kind of like my version better.
it makes sense.
        i've listened to this album way too many times for one day.  hope
everyone is enjoying it as much as me.  ciao a tutto, lynn :)

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subject:      sots and san diego concert

coming out of the woodwork (from lurking) to say it's great!!!!!!!!!!!!
it was my first time to hear any of the songs cause  i never did catch
soy on the radio.  i have now sent my so out for wine and food so we can
spend the rest of the evening listening over and over and over and over
and over!!!!

also, the promotor of the san diego concert has updated their web site
with a picture and seating chart for the venue.

it can be found at:

www.billsilvapresents.com/hosppt.html

incredible music!

v/r
betsy

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subject:      can some kind friend pick up the target sampler for me?
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>   also i picked up the target limited edition starter kit that's put out by
>sony it has 7 songs on it including....galileo, least complicated, ghost,
>three hits, kid fears, closer to fine, and one more...i can't remember...but
>it's 5.99 at your local target store, also check out the poster for it
>hanging in the store...neato!


i don't live near target and *really* want this -- can someone pick me up
one -- i will reimburse for the cost and postage or maybe trade for a few
tapes or something...

mike r.
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>is it just my imagination or does amy really sing/pronounce spokane wrong?
>;) she sang it right in all the concerts. weird! heehee. it's spo-can (as
>in tin can) not spo-cane. heehee. hmm listened to it 3 times and it still
>sounds like she's really saying "cane" on the end. no big deal, we get used
>to that around here. it's fun listening to people try and pronounce places
>like puyallup for the first time too. =)

wisconsin is full of weirdo names as well (excuse me--hard to pronounce-not
weirdo).  i mean fond du lac and oconomowoc.  who thought this stuff up
(shush to all you pcers--i know they're indian names)?  :)

i wondered about amy's pronunciation of spokane as well.  i hear folks up
there get very touchy when people say spo-cain and rightly so.  it is
definitely pronounced spo-can and amy definitely says it wrong on kind
friend.  speaking of kind friend--who on earth is that totally random man
who babbles something in the middle of the song?  i thought it was very odd
to have a guy mumbling in the middle like that.  well happy listening!

greg

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subject:      hey chicagoland!!!

if you haven't already picked up sots, then shame on you!!  and you call
yerselves ig fans???  joke kids.  don't flame me.  i'm sensitive... you'll
make me cry.

k, after a very long work day, i went to border's in deerfield, where it was
dead empty, & i had my choice of cassette, cd or digipak (for only $11.99!!).
and with it came the 10 minute promo video (just ask for it)!  woo hoo!!!
they're open til 11.  i walked out at 8:45, but they had a pile of about a
dozen videos.  you have ta buy the cd or cassette to get it (i just couldn't
talk them into another one... sorry jen).

they're at 43 (waukegan) & lake-cook if ya wanna make the trip in the am
(even you wacky milwaukee folks!).

dee

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>
> hey all,
>
> i'm sorry if this is a ridiculously obvious question, but i have to ask.  on the
> las cruces boot (thanks tom!) i fell in love with winthrop and the haunting
> voice/piano combo.  is this not a new song?  a cover?  really old?  or just not
> ready?  i was heartbroken not to see it there this morning, but everything else
> on the cd more than makes up for it.
>
it's as new as the songs on sots, but it was left out of the final sots
tracklist. nobody really knows why. it is going to be on the next album,
though, and said album will be more acoustically oriented and therefore
probably a more suitable context for winthrop anyway.
kirsten

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the canonical list of newer songs not on sots (email me if you have something
to add to it):
winthrop
chiapas bound
problem child
going to the country (ignoring my theory that it's a rough draft of gotm)

that's it!
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in a message dated 97-04-29 17:46:52 edt, you write:

<<
has anyone else here done this?  i find myself wanting to sing along so
bad, but i know like every fifth word >>
oh my god!!! it is sooo frustrating!!!! i want to sing along soooo bad!!!!
but i can't!! i'll play the album until i know all the songs!!!
take care
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i know why this has instantly become my "touchstone" on this album, like
meeting an old friend...it has an old friend in it.  the horn doing a verse of
the hymn "this is my father's world."  one of my favorite hymns from childhood,
one that will always reach out and touch me...and it fits the mood so well...

wendy palmquist

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hey...i just got my copy of sots after work today.  all i could think of at
school today was about the new cd.  i live in a really small town, and just
finding an indigo girls cd is good, but i found it on the rack.  one of my
friends works at a record store, and he told me that a lady went in earlier
that day and bought 6 of the cd's.  that's a really good sign.  i thoguht i
was about the only one in jasper that listened to indigo girls...i love it.
dgtgag is my favorite so far...not really sure yet though.  i'm not even
through the whole thing.

my e-mail has been down for some time and i have missed a week of
postings...if anyone could be so kind as to e-mail me important things, i
would be grateful.  happy indigo day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(i never use the shift key...must be really special....)
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subject:      first impressions and then some....

well, i thought once i had bought sots i could get some sleep, but no--now i
will have to listen to it 1001 times and then some...i've only gone through
it once, so here's my first thoughts:
it seems to me the girls did this album for themselves--it's so different
(which also can translate as i dont know what i think of it, of course i'm
open-minded) i'm almost going to say revolutionary...this one isnt "imbedded
in sexual ambiguity" as so many reviews have stated.  i mean, have the girls
ever been so direct as to say " the beautiful ladies walk by..."  "hate me
because i'm gay" and so many female pronouns?  just an observation...
a lot of the lyrics have gotten personal too, i don't understand all of them
yet (it's kind of like reading anne sexton, the more you read, the more you
start to get intimate, the more you know/understand the words) for example,
has anyone figured out 1694 yet--i'm going to look it up in my chronicle of
the world and see what happened that year..here's another hypothesis,,maybe
amy and emily traced back their family heritage...
other questions:  who are joni and beth?  (get out the map)  115 you are 17
(shed your skin) <--the intro to this song sounds like house of pain's "jump
around" or maybe it's just me.  i know a folk song called cara mia, i'll have
to check for links...stupid question--where is leeds?  the most asked
question--what's a scooter boy?  down in the 48? (cut it out)

maybe i'll get flamed for this, but it is not an insult, just an observation
again...i love emily dearly, she writes such gorgeous and deep lyrics,
touching songs, but her voice seems so much more juvenile on this
album...(gotm, leeds, eiiot) sorry emily, constructive criticism ::trying to
kiss the wounds i just made::

so much more political activism embedded in this album, interesting
allusions--i like this a lot....it sounds very native american inspired....

now i'm almost through my second time...i have gone from equivocal feelings
about the album to a definite like...take everything i say with a grain of
salt....looking forward to more indigo adventures, celeste

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subject:      sigh

oh why do they have to be so good?

that sums it up now, after listen #3...smiling while listening to soy, still
misty eyed from hey kind friend, my personal fave....

all things indigo, celeste

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hi all!
i was just wondering what some of the opinions and interpretations were of
some of the new songs...like
scooter boys
don't give that girl a gun
burn all the letters
caramia
just curious....these songs got me thinking and i can't seem to form an
opinion on their content yet...anyone have any insights?
take care
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hey all!!!

ok, so i admit it.....i have had a comp copy of sots since the 11th....and i
have listened to it furiously for the past 2 and a half weeks....and i have
gone from loving dgtgag, to saying "oh od, i love 'cut it out.'

but i just decided as i stood here folding my laundry.....

my favorite song is "scooter boys."

yup!  definately......

peace and ig dreams to all!

karrie

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kristina wrote:
>>f) those dolls are still creepy!<<

i quite agree - looks like chuckyette!!!!!  <humming the twilight zone theme>

>>g) did anyone else feel really surreal driving to the store? i kept
thinking "wow, i'm actually gonna have the cd in like 10 minutes" and it
felt sooo weird... i shouldn't have been driving at that point, i was being
kinda spacey about the event. :)<<

well, not exactly because i didn't know i was gonna get it!  it was a freak
thing & wal-mart had it out early.  my wal-mart almost always does this - i
dearly love them!!!  :)  but i had a very surreal drive home.  i had the
cassette and couldn't even put it in the player because i was hiding it from
my jailer - er, mother - who ordered me specifically not to buy anything
while we were there......

oh well, it's alright if you ask me, and shame on you to all of you who have
the cd and haven't permanently planted it in your player!!!!!!!  (teehee)

peace, harmony & indigo,

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subject:      sots and ellen

i cant believe i said chiapas bound was my fav. on this cd. i meant hkf.
its one of my  favorite new song that they have now is what i meant.

anyway my so told me she was listening to the radio and they were talking
about the "puppy episode" which they described as a "lesbian superbowl"
(thanks to all the hoopla, the ads, and how much the ads had cost) so
ellen may still well supported by various orgs.
urvashi urma@juno.com

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ok, the whole disc rocks my universe, but i gotta say: is it just me, or are
dgtgag & leeds & scooter boys the best 11 minutes of music laid down in
recent history?!

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my best friend and i called every store in town...most of them didn't know whether they even had the cd, most of them only have the jewel box...and none of them knew anything about any promo stuff.  we may find differently when we actually show up to get the cd.  i can't (as i've mentioned before) get it until friday.  turns out that a locally owned store is the cheapest and has the digipak (i'd rather have that...i can get the jewel box on any cd).  so...there are actually places who say they won't have the cd here until friday.  tulsa....city of the damned...*s*

jennifer w.

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okay...some chick at one of the stores, when asked to describe the cd, said it had "an indigo girl...with stuff painted across her chest."  does this sound familiar to anyone who already has any of the cds?  let me know.  thanks.

jennifer w.

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        all i can say is wow!! this album is incredible! all the songs are
amazing. i'm listening to it now for the third time.  i bought it at
coconuts for $11.99 and i got the special video for free. haven't watched
the video yet though.  when i got to the store there were only two copies
left!! i like the wailing and stuff from ulali and all the instruments are
great. this is a powerful album in every sense of the word.  the production
is great and a&e deserve a big hand for being a part of it this time.  they
took a risk on this album and imho, it paid off big time.
        i don't think i had heard burning all the letters before but it is a
really good song.  shed your skin is amazing, i think it could be a
mainstream hit.  actually, i think the whole album could be a mainstream hit
and i understand why their label is so confident and proud of it.
        i noticed that this is the first album in which the liner notes are
not in booklet form on glossy paper.  i like all the pictures on the liner
page and i think the picture on the back which lists the songs is really cute.
        i really can't say enough about the album, its simply incredible and
one more reason to add to the long list of why its great to be an ig fan!!
wishing everyone happy listenings,
dave

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okay, here's a brief review coming from someone who'd never heard one of
their new songs until tonight.
i don't (sniff) really like it. i hate it when musicians get too overtly
political, and i think a lot of the songs crossed my personal line here. i
don't think they're nearly as insightful as some of the previous albums,
or as someone else said, layered in mystery. it _is_ a little too obvious.
gripe #2: i love ig slow songs. there were very few on this album, and
every song seems angry and very brash. i yearn for a little more
meditation and a little less yelling. just my opinion, folks. it does seem
a little to "pop" for my taste. i found myself yearning for the days of
emily, amy, and two guitars.
gripe #3: ulali can't sing, and they make the songs they're in sound
terrible. and why does it seem that it is a contest to include the
weirdest instruments possible and as many as possible into a single song.
a bazooki? come on...

i don't know if this would be considered a musical progression or growth,
or if the ig i love are getting lost in political propaganda and musical
electricness. i don't know. i hope it grows on me later :(

emily

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in a message dated 97-04-30 00:13:16 edt, peeples write (in this case greg):

<< it is
definitely pronounced spo-can and amy definitely says it wrong on kind
friend.  >>

yes indeed...but hey....it ryhmes with "range' better...
that's  as deep as i can possibly get about it  :)
fave...so far....sys gogo amygo !
toodles.
claire
'digmeoutdigmein, outathismessbaby,outamyhead ! "
sleater-kinney ( i can't seem to pry it outa the cd player :)

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(out of lurking)

i love love love this album, sys is my most serious addiction right now, i
agree with most of the praise of this cd so i won't repeat it, but

i have to agree with deb.  does anyone understand why emily needed to sing
these heart-wrenching lyrics in such a same-ol been-there/done that tune?
i read the lyrics off the promo copy at borders last week and i was almost
wetting my pants with anticipation of hearing how these words would dance
in my ears.  and i hate to say it but, i honestly don't like how this song
sounds.  and i think the drums make the song sound too upbeat.  maybe it's
cuz i'm not an emily person.  but i love these words and i want to love
this song.  can anybody help me reconcile emily's singing?  am i the only
one who feels this way?

--mani
                        (think myself into jail.)


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> not listening for it it sounds *very* much like someone is saying my name
> and i just heard the last half.  let me clarify: it sounds very much like
> someone is saying my name to get my attention to tell me to turn the
> volume down.  aaaaggghhhhhhhh!!!!!   this got me not once, not twice, but
> three times so far....i keep expecting my roommate to knock and open my

ok, not exactly related, but you reminded me. i listened to it 3 times in
a row this afternoon after work (and by the way, i managed to get the
jewel box) and at the end of "burn all the letters" the first time she
says, "burn all the letters" _after_ the ulali vocal solo, the
"buuuuuurn" sounded just like one of my cats crying. and it made me jump
not once, but 3 times. ;) now, don't take me wrong on this! i'm not
saying that emily sounds like a cat yowling!!! it's just that during that
one word, her voice almost exactly matches toby's voice. _weeeeeeird_.

another quick note. i hereby dub "caramia" as "emily's first epic song."
it's wonderful.

and can anyone else see "shed your skin" becoming another _long_ "song
within a song" type of thing?

and is anyone else trying to find the 6 unremarkable songs that one
review was talking about? i have't found any unremarkable songs yet.

folkisgruven, and happy listening,
lorindigo


still driving...
lorinda wright           the trouble in my head is getting closer and closer
washington university     to my legs i've got to walk it out. and the trouble
st. louis, mo             with my heart is that i can't rip it out. and the
                          trouble with myself is that i don't know me.
                                                        -melissa ferrick
                    i will not be complacent

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i hate finals, they really suck.  i am off to australia as soon as school
is out, and hopefully onto some more stage debutes with ig as soon as i
get back in late july.  if anyone is gonna be going to concerts near
chicago, keep an eye out for a random, stage-jumping oboist.  hee  =)
anyways, i am leaving the list due too stress and finals.  please contact
me via pricate e-mail @  a-vogt@students.uiuc.edu if you need to get a
hold of me.  it's been great....

-aim


      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
      "...am i smiling, no i think i'm just upside down.......
      every idea in my head, is slowing sinking, to the ground.
      somebody get me some fresh air...i'm bein' struck from
      both sides, i'm bein' struck from everywhere...."

                                               "both sides"
                                               -martha and amy
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hey all,
just wanted to throw my opinions into the mix on sots.  i went to border's
this morning and for some reason they had the videos but the cd's hadn't
been shipped yet.  so the guy says sorry no cd's, but i'll let you have a
video, so i bust out, thanks <big grin>.  after that it was off to
hasting's.  got the cd and popped it into my cdplayer and drove off into
the sunset.  well it was noon but it would have been cool anyway. :)  i
must echo the one word which seems to have been chosen to describe this
album--wow.  same goes for the video-it actually gave me goosebumps.  sys
is unbelievable.  i can't count the number of times that i've replayed that
track.  the new amy songs are awesome!  not to leave out emily, i can't get
enough caramia or burn all the letters.  i dig the new arrangements and
sounds.  i love to see any musical progression in any artists, especially
my fav group.  it seems to me that although the addage if it ain't broke,
don't fix it might apply to music, for the most part it seems like
stagnation.  ig have really done a great job of progressing as musicians
and artists throughout all their albums.  the difference between strange
fire and sots is unreal.  well, back to singing along incessantly.
keep it groovy,
ryan

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i have returned to gloat over my incredible find today! sorry, i can't
help myself.

one undisclosed store in the kansas city area allowed me to grab as many
calendars as i wanted, but stupid me, i only grabbed three. i'm going to
go back for more tomorrow.

another store simply gave me all copies of their promo video just because
i asked if they wouldn't mind letting me have more than one copy. "take
'em all," the clerk said. "nobody has asked for them all day and nobody in
our store is an indigo girls fan." well, they gave me all three of their
copies. sorry folks, i already have plans for my extra copies.

on the downside, i didn't get any flats. :)

anyway, i will have to disagree with my good friend from manhattan, ks. i
think sots is the best album since nis...probably because peter collins
didn't produce this time around, i.e. no more multiple layers of overdub,
etc.. sorry, i really didn't like the way rop and so were produced. to me
anyway, the music on the new album sounds fresher probably because it
wasn't as overproduced, imho, as the last two albums. just my $0.02.

see ya on the tour...

eddie

lawyerman's world wide web page | calendar of kansas city area music
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i decided to just put in another little plug for the billings house.

        for some reason, i can't get this organization out of my head.  i
guess, for me, it helps to hear the story behind it, the inspiration,
because it was the story that led jenny to act.

        anyway, aids is such a big problem, globally, y'all know that.
i'm not sure of the statistics these days, but even one more new case is
too many.  but, right now, aids is not an immediate death sentence
anymore.  with these "drug cocktails" and the like, the chances of an aids
victim surviving are now better than ever.  but, that's not to say that
aids isn't a problem anymore.  i remember reading an article in the
village voice about how this one gay male decided to stop having protected
sex because of the hopeful results due to the treatments these days, and
thinking, "what the hell is this guy thinking?!"  anyway...

        but these treatments are expensive, as you can guess, and this is
one aspect that the billings house offers help with.  people with
medicare/medicaid receive free treatment (in atlanta, this is done with
grady hospital).  this sounds great, but the sticky thing is, medicare and
medicaid are government institutions, and y'all know the red tape that's
associated with those types of things.  so, the billings house takes these
indigent aids patients in and sets them up with a social worker who
facilitates this medicare/medicaid process, so that the patients can
receive the treatment they need to stay alive.

        i mean, think about it, if you have aids, you're constantly
worried about your t-cell count, you fear the thought of even catching a
cold, you're worried about your family, you have all of these things on
your mind, you shouldn't have to worry about whether you're going to run
out of azt.

        aids patients no longer live "normal" lives.  everything is
skewed, i think we can all understand why.  but, the billings house (and
groups like it) tries to establish a new norm for aids patients, tries
to make things as normal as they can get, tries to help these patients get
a grip on their new life.  you know, it's a hard thing to do, it's an
awfully big responsibility, but i'm just glad that there are people who
have big enough hearts to say, "i'm up for the challenge."

        let's help them in their fight, y'all...

thanks, veronica


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        division between the peoples will disappear that honored day
        and though oceans lie between us, lifted candles light the way
        half will join their hands by moonlight,
        the rest under a rising sun
        as underneath the sun and moon, a ritualed wailing has begun
                                                        -- ferron
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bye bye indigo girls list you all have been kind...
keep in touch liz=)
byebye

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well, this isn't really all that bothersome. but did anyone else find it
disturbing that they spelled cornet wrong on the album. a coronet is a
jeweled crown or headband. a cornet is a trumpet-like instrument.

just wondering...
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>open-minded) i'm almost going to say revolutionary...this one isnt "imbedded
>in sexual ambiguity" as so many reviews have stated.

i was noticing that as well. i think it's kinda good though. i mean i hope
that they haven't been limiting themselves before now trying to make it
ambiguous. but you are right, it is interesting.

>has anyone figured out 1694 yet--

i haven't figured it oput, but when i heard it i thought immediately of
slaves beeing brought over... or even europeans coming to the new world.
they all settled down pretty far south in the americas.

just first impressions....
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>gripe #3: ulali can't sing,

now, i am not one to flame, but are you serious? ulali are amazing. have you
ever tried to sing the amazing and intricate harmonies they are pulling off.
i sing, and i am telling you... these girls are amazing, unreal.
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one word:  fabulous.

this album is incredible.  i don't really like "cut it out" that much,
but the other songs are amazing.  i have listened to it about 6 times in
the last 12 hours or so, and i once again remember why i love amy and
emily so much.

any other comments?

mike

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a few minutes ago i noticed that in all the song titles on the back-of-case
list of sots, all the words are capitalized...incl. articles and
prepositions...i.e. get out *the* map, dgtg *a* gun, etc.  i went to my cd
rack to see if this is normal for ig albums...and then realized that on all
the prior epic releases, they have printed all song titles in *all
lower-case*.  for some reason this felt like a major revelation to me...
evidence for those of us who see this as a big departure from all previous
ig material...don't worry, i'm not wholly serious.

similar note: why did they (e?) use "alright" in the title and printed
lyrics of track #4, as opposed to the more-traditionally-correct "all
right"? i remember being scolded by a fellow concertgoer for writing it down
as "alright" on a hasty setlist last summer...and i want to believe that
emily, of college-vw-paper fame, had a reason for choosing this spelling.

near-mr.-limes: my dorm is located across the street from the largest
hospital complex in the world.  i had heard the album version of soy about
five times before i realized the sirens were part of the recording and not,
in this case, outside.

somebody asked about the "lower 48" in cio...i'm assuming 48 contiguous us,
as opposed to alaska...but i'm wondering about the "sittin in darwin's
theory" part...does she mean something about survival of the fittest being
played out in her "politics" or in life overall? anybody got a good theory?

this album is indeed much more openly "gay" than the others (which i see as
very cool, having myself come to be openly "gay" since the last
release)...and also much more explicit with its sexual references...how is
this playing over at the christian newsgroups?

as of right now i'm in love with the first half of the album and struggling
to deal with the second half...and to study for finals, with all this ig and
ellen excitement going on.  speaking of which...sorry so much rambling, and
back to chapter 18 of introductory psych.


amanda c. goad
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govpubs
"funny, i think we were on the same boat/back in 1694..." -- amy ray, "shame
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i had promised myself i wouldn't post on this list because it is too
big and scary for a lurker like me, but i am bursting with sots and have
to share. besides...if i go to bed it means i have to turn off the
music! only my 6th listen, i think ...(o:
        i went through no trauma getting it; the cd store had it right out on
the "new releases" stand and i was so elated that i completely forgot to
look for the other music that i was going to. however, i had to wait for
my mom to get off work (either that or catch the bus which meant waiting
even longer to listen) before i could go home...the people there must
have thought i was crazy. i didn't read books, or do homework, or any of
my normal waiting stuff...i sat around and read every inch of the liner
at least three times, with my face three inches from it to analyze every
picture. being familiar with the lyrics from when they were posted
(although this is my first time hearing *any* of the new songs,
including soy), and being generally an emily person (though that has
been shifting lately), i confidently expected to like songs like leeds
and caramia and eiiot best. i was completely blown away by sys! i still
couldn't say that any one of the songs was my favorite, they're all so
good, but if pressed i'd have to say sys (or maybe leeds...it's so hard
when they're *all* so good!!) is. i loved all the amy tracks on
this...ok, all the emily ones too. i'll stop trying to pick a favorite.
        i agree that amy and emily seem to have traded sounds a very
bit...although when i try to think of examples to show how i liked it, i
can't. maybe i'm wrong.
        btw, i really like ulali in all the songs i heard them on...especially
leeds.
        wow! sys playing again...i'm trying to analyze my reason for liking it
so much, but it is defying me...very hard for this normally-emily
person!
        i don't know how i'll go to school tomorrow and concentrate on
anything. isn't this an excuseable absence...can't concetrate on
anything cause all i can hear is amy singing the come on over
section...sorry can't come to school. i don't think the administration
would go for it. sigh.
        --morgan
ps i am so depressed by caramia. *what* a good song.
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morgan todd

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say around the corner i can sense a resting space"
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on tue, 29 apr 1997, therese wrote:

> on a sidebar--did anyone else notice the missing personal "thank you"
> section? you know, the "emily thanks god, family , aunt matilda, etc"
> why were they not included? i always find those interesting! oh well!

well i talked to someone who knows ig on the (now defunct, it seems) irc
channel #indigo-girls a couple of years back and she told me that some
people had gone through the whole list and asked her who they all were and
what their relationship to amy and emily was.   i think this is what a&e
might have been trying to avoid by leaving it off this one.

mat

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subject:      hmmmmmmmmmmmm

hi all...

well, i just finished my third listen thru today of the new album....

my first reaction was huh?

i was on the freeway, here in south florida, so maybe that colored my mood.
it's just that on first listen this was a much darker ig collection of songs
than i'm used to.

the second time through i found a bunch of songs i really liked.
namely shame on you, get out the map, it's alright, don't give that girl a
gun,  burn all the letters, my kind friend  and everything in its time.

and then, i found some songs that left me perplexed. cut it out and scooter
boys and shed your skin. i don't know whether i like them or not. they are
different though, and sometimes different is a good thing.

and then i found something i've never before encountered on an ig album:  one
song, that after hearing it 3 times i'm almost certain i can't listen to it
again: caramia.

if there are any other bruce springsteen fans out here (i grew up in nj and
i'm in my 30s, so figure me) you'll get this: i think caramia is the girls
"mary queen of arkansas," which a critic once called the worst song ever
commited to vinyl. i tend to agree with that -- however i think caramia might
give mary a run for her money.

the two other most striking things:
1) the change in musical sound -- twangy banjos here, grungy disonance there.
i don't think it's a bad thing. just different. and the girls won my heart
long ago, so i'm willing to go along on a different kind of ride with them.
though i swear a couple of the songs had some beatlesque riffs happening in
them, and i don't know if i'm ready for that. and i definitely do miss those
sweet harmonies...less of that going on here than say nomads or rites -- i'm
thinking the beauty of ghost or virginia wolf or even reunion on so.
2)a change in themes. the girls uplifting, zen-like songs have gotten me
through many  a dark hour. i don't hear a lot of that philosophy on this
record so far. maybe it's just more subtle and i need to listen some more.
but these songs sound more political and less personal.

one nice thing--the girls are more  "out" in these songs than i've heard them
before. that's great. everyone has a right to be who they are.

anyway, i'm dying to ~chat" about this album.

bottom line: i'm glad they're back even if it's different. and i hope they
come to south florida cause i'd really love to see them play again.

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subject:      ulali, roaches, what's next?

>>gripe #3: ulali can't sing,
>
>ulali are amazing. have you ever tried to sing the amazing and intricate
>harmonies they are pulling off. i sing, and i am telling you... these girls
are >amazing, unreal.

        i'm sure that these women are very talented at what they do, but i'm about
as likely to go out and purchase one of there albums as i would be to
purchase a roaches album.  maybe the next ig album will guest the spice
girls. (ooh, i'm gonna get it for that one!)

        t

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hi y'all,

as many (or all) of you may already know, the ig concert at auburn u. was
postponed until sunday, may 18 (this may still be a tentative date...?).
unfortunately, 3 of my friends and i can't go now...a huge bummer indeed.
so, i have 4 *excellent* tickets for sale...great seats (right up
front--they were purchased on the first day of "block seating"
ticket sales)...and really cheap ($12 apiece).  any takers??

if interested, please respond to me (not the list!!) at:
chousel@grove.ufl.edu

don't be worried about not getting the tickets on time--i have a few
friends who will be going to the concert as part of the same
seating "block" of tickets as these 4 i'm selling...they will bring the
tickets with them and meet you at a designated place there.

thanks!

christine  :)
chousel@grove.ufl.edu

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subject:      oh my goodness!!!!

hi y'all!! its about 7:30 am wed morning.. i haven't slept all night
- been driving back from atlnata!!! first i wanted to say that i'm
sorry to all those listees i didn't get to meet there! =(

but check this out> i was right in front of emily... after the second
song, i said to her.. "hey emily!"
she looked at me and i said, "what can i do about gettiong one of
those picks sometime toinght?"  she didn't hear me so she leaned
closer and i repeated it.  she gave me the sweetest smile ever and
handed the one to me that she had used to play "it's alright"!!!!
then, i said to amy, "hey amy!" and she looked at me and i said,
"what does your shirt say??" and she read it to me!  then we were
getting autographs i thanked emily for the pick and told them where
we were from and that we had about a 6 hr trip in front of us and we
talked for a few... then, my roomie (the best thing ever) said to
emily, "thats cindy, and she thinks you're really hot!" to which she
replied, "oh! that is so sweet!"  then my roomie said, "i'm sure i
would too.. but.....(see, she's straight)" and emily looked confused
but amy said, "ohh!! i think i understand!"  then they told us to
have a safe trip, drive carefully, and get planty of diet coke for
the road!  wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  i haven't slept in well over
24 hrs and i have class soon, but i'm on top of the world!!!!
=o)
cindy
aaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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do not take life too seriously.  you will never get out of it alive.
                                                               - elbert hubbard

the best thing you've ever done for me
is to help me take my life less seriously
cause it's only life after all....
                                         - emily saliers

cindy gossett
centre college - class of 2000
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the rolling growl of amy singing "...i can sense a resting place" on get
out the map jostles me deeper and deeper in that area between my
collarbone and belly button each time i hear it.  i'm never prepared.  it
just gets me, in a way that.....damn.  i don't think i can even express
this without the boundaries of appropriate sexual commentary to make in a
public forum.  it's not a way i generally think or feel about amy and it's
not a way i've ever been affected by music either.  this line just does it
for me.  i don't know why.  i can't explain it.  all i can really say that
if i thought i was straight before, that line would make me reconsider.

not trying to make anyone uncomfortable or be disrespectful to amy
definitely not trying to start a thread on this
just looking for the most apt way to express my reaction to a line which
particularly gets me

....audrey
*whose bi-indigoness is only being reaffirmed by this new album, and
*who urges you all to run, not walk, to your nearest browser and read the
chiapas diary entries on the epic web site.  simply blown away by emily's
prose, wishing for more, sure the woman is going to write at least one
book in her lifetime, hoping it'll be soon    and, yes, contemplating
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>
> somebody asked about the "lower 48" in cio...i'm assuming 48 contiguous us,
> as opposed to alaska...but i'm wondering about the "sittin in darwin's
> theory" part...does she mean something about survival of the fittest being
> played out in her "politics" or in life overall? anybody got a good theory?
>
no, actually it's the name of a bar in alaska. sorry :-)
kirsten


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on wed, 30 apr 1997, lisa arthur wrote:


> though i swear a couple of the songs had some beatlesque riffs happening in
> them, and i don't know if i'm ready for that. and i definitely do miss those

i hear "let it be" at the beginning of "leeds"...

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              becker" at apr 30, 97 4:36 am

>         i'm sure that these women are very talented at what they do, but i'm about
> as likely to go out and purchase one of there albums as i would be to
> purchase a roaches album.  maybe the next ig album will guest the spice
             ^^^^^^^
yeah. i don't think i'd want to buy an album performed by singing insects
either.

now, if you were talking about the *roches*, on the other hand...:-)
kirsten


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subject:      i'd like to make an apology......

could drew vogel contact me as soon as possible? i'd like to make a
private apology to him, but if i can't, i'd just like to say sorry
to him right here - i didn't mean to lump him with poul - i think a
lot of my anger was directed in poul's direction, but some was
misdirected onto you.

i think we really have to think before we start tearing into
somebody, and have to wonder whether they are really the people we
are angry at.....

thanks,

john.


"just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you"

mulder to scully, the x files

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i, too, got shafted on the calendar deal---the guy at hmv on 34th st. in
manhattan claimed they'd never gotten any, but to keep my receipt in case
they got some in later.

julie
jncalif@aol.com

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i have the limited edition...again..the versions seem different?   does
anyone know if i am just losing it??????


help....

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on wed, 30 apr 1997 indisong@aol.com wrote:

> i have the limited edition...again..the versions seem different?   does
> anyone know if i am just losing it??????
>
i'm not sure either... i've got the digipak... is that the limited
edition? i'd much rather have the jewel case. i may end up buying it
anyway and selling the digipak to my housemate.

please let me know a> if the digipak is different than the jewel case
version, and b> what the differences are, and c> which one is the 'limited
edition'.

i'm confused and i hate digipaks!

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>maybe it's just more subtle and i need to listen some more.
>but these songs sound more political and less personal.

this i have to respond to: less personal? goodness, the songs on this album
are some of the most revealing and obviously personal songs they've ever
compiled in one place. dgtgag, caramia, cut it out -- i mean listen to
those tunes and tell me they aren't about a few fucked up relationships!
it's alright is quite a personal statement (not political as some may say)
and  gotm, in mho, is a different type of love song. i also happen to think
there are sexual innuendos all over the place but i won't go there...

deb

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at 10:30 pm 4/29/97 -0400, you wrote:


>k, after a very long work day, i went to border's in deerfield, where it was
>dead empty, & i had my choice of cassette, cd or digipak (for only $11.99!!).
> and with it came the 10 minute promo video (just ask for it)!  woo hoo!!!
> they're open til 11.  i walked out at 8:45, but they had a pile of about a
>dozen videos.  you have ta buy the cd or cassette to get it (i just couldn't
>talk them into another one... sorry jen).

i'm not the only freak who did this ^^^^


i already had the promo and an autographed insert, but i bought the cd at a
local independent store, which has nothing promotional, but it was the
principal. i went to a borders and picked up a disc and asked for the video
and this women (who was some sort of freak that looked like ny head start
teacher who, to this day, is my favorite teacher i've ever had...) i ask
for a video she can only give me one.. ugggh. i decided that i probably
needed more than one so i brought the cd back, and picked up five, count
them five tapes, and got five free videos. one of my friends suggested
bringing the tapes back unopened and keeping the videos, but that feels
like bad karma, and lots of good karma (front row to hartford woo hoo!
seventh row great woods!!! tracy chapman touring!!!....um i will control
myself) has been coming my way.

i do have a few extra videos, but i *think* they are accounted for. i also
think a tree for this should be in the works -- along with letterman and
rosie and some recent tour video (atlanta pride?? or something interesting
(??) i do have two vcr's and think my life is getting a bit less hectic, so
there is a definite chance i can seed the master, but give me a bit of
time.....finals loom ahead!!!

i also owe one wonderful person (hi pooh!!) a few tapes and am trying to
send it out today !!

i do have 3 extra copies of the original tape for sots to trade for (y'all
need something for your cars!!) if you want to trade a recent show or
something for a tape -- let me know

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hey kind friends~

        can someone please tell me what time (cst) and station ellen comes
on (out ;) tonight?  i want to set my vcr to record it while i'm at jazz fest.

thanks y'all!!
tony

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--- you wrote:
.but i'm wondering about the "sittin in darwin's
theory" part..
--- end of quoted material ---
someother sumbuddy has prolly already answered this butt....
at the mhc show, amy said that the bar that she and em frequented during their
stay in alaska was called "darwin's theory" and then proceeded to launch into
the high-larious "emily: orginal frat girl" story

so there ya go. no deep meaning, i don't think

susanna, 25 days away from atlaaaaaanta!

"sing me a happy song...cause i am sick and tired of being sick and tired!"
                                                - melissa ferrick

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              30, 97 8:26 am

> and  gotm, in mho, is a different type of love song. i also happen to think
> there are sexual innuendos all over the place but i won't go there...
>
i will! i will!

hmmm...by song, there's:
soy: "when the beautiful ladies walk right by, i never know what to say"
gotm: "sitting in a broken circle while you rest upon my knee" (hee hee)
sys: uh, the entire song
ia: ? (unless you count "hate me 'cause i'm gay", and i don't)
caramia: "your head on the bedboard, the anguished repeat, the sweat of our
          sadness, the twist of the sheets"
dgtgag: ? (unless you consider the, um, *freudian* significance of the title)
leeds: "find the open hole and press your fingers there with all your might"
sb: "crying about my own virginity" (hee hee)
eiiot: ?
cio: ?
batl: ?
hkf: ?

so, unless my mind isn't sufficiently twisted to appreciate it, there really
don't seem to be that many sexual references on this album. only half the
songs have any even vaguely sexual innuendo at all.
kirsten

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girl / but when we're together, we're too good for this world."--ani difranco

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subject:      paper or plastic?

since many people have asked about this, the clerk in the record store where i
bought my copy of sots said that there is zero, zilch, zip, in other words no
difference (other than the packaging) between the digipakked and the jewel-
cased versions of the cd. hope this clarifies the situation.
kirsten

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girl / but when we're together, we're too good for this world."--ani difranco

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in a message dated 97-04-30 02:33:00 edt, debbie@mei.com (deb reiser) writes:

> most confusing opening: it's alright
>  whenever i hear john mellencamp's just another day i always think it's ia,
>  now when i hear ia i think it's just another day.

to me, the opening to ia sounds like let's spend the night together by the
rolling stones.  just the first 4 or 5 notes, but it's definitely there.

sheri :) who is terribly missing winthrop

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subject:      sigc-hey pnw's!!  kmtt rocks!

sorry for all you non-pnw's, but i just heard via kmtt that john fisher
will be doing something w/ ig and sots today at 3:20(pm) (no, they will
not be there, he'll probably play a few songs), and he's going to be
playing ellen degeneres on the 5:20(pm) funny (stand-up routine).

happy listening!

andrea

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hey y'all
i have to say that my ig high was lessened just a little when i
bought the cd yesterday only because there were no calendars,
posters, or stickers, or any goodies like that :(
but when i got home and played it, my mood increased greatly
(although it seems kind of haunting not to hear people screaming in
the background and applause at the end of each song or the infamous
f----ups, teehee!)
anywayyyy, today is another ig day - david letterman tonite, of
course and i just wanted to let those in the tri-state area or at
least the ones that can get "105 the buzz" know that they are having
an "ellen look-alike contest" this evening and a+e are dropping by :)

the fun starts around 5pm so i'll be tuning in whilst driving home
from work, hopefully ig won't be on until i get home 'cos the
reception i get in my car sucks!  (of course it doesn't help being
all the way out on an island either)

and if anyone wants to partake in the "ellen" contest, the buzz is
broadcasting between 49th and 50th streets

okeleydokely folks, have a good indigo day

kim

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someone wrote:
gripe #3: ulali can't sing, and they make the songs they're in sound
terrible.

i have heard others express similar opinions but i think ulali are great!!
i think they add a sound that, to me, makes the songs appear much more
eclectic, less pop, and more indigenous. y'all should listen to macchu
picchu, and markhuasi for pure, native south american-type music. imho, the
ulali's sound is very native american sounding. the other day someone else
wrote about the lack of mystery and depth in this new album when compared
to previous albums.  i think ulali adds some of that.

does anyone else think ani's drummer (andy something) rocks??!! i like him
a lot.

urvashi u.pitre@tcu.edu

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>abc series star ellen degeneres and her partner, "volcano" star anne
>heche, will be interviewed on wednesday's "oprah winfrey show."   if
>you have yet to step out of that cave: the "ellen" episode, in which
>degeneres' character reveals she's a lesbian, will air wednesday
>night.  (washington post)
>

>1.  special glaadalert update: oprah needs emergency support
>
>glaad has learned that oprah winfrey still needs your support!  over the
>past week, she has received an overwhelming amount of mail criticizing
her
>for appearing on the history making coming out ellen episode.  please let
>oprah know how much you appreciate her history of strong support for the
>lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender community.
>
>contact: oprah winfrey, harpo studios, 110 n. carpenter road, chicago,
>illinois 60607-2146, fax: 312.633.1976, email: oprah@aol.com.

and a joke:

>>sammy "the bull" gravano admitted on "primetime live" that he murdered
19 people.  "the good news for abc is, no sponsors pulled out of the
program," says jay leno.  "it's not like sammy admitted something
really bad, like being gay."<<

also:

>>>maybe it's just more subtle and i need to listen some more.
>but these songs sound more political and less personal.

>>this i have to respond to: less personal? goodness, the songs on this
>album
>are some of the most revealing and obviously personal songs they've ever
>compiled in one place. dgtgag, caramia, cut it out -- i mean listen to
>those tunes and tell me they aren't about a few fucked up relationships!
>it's alright is quite a personal statement (not political as some may
>say)
>and  gotm, in mho, is a different type of love song.

*the personal is political/the political is personal*

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hey folks,

  i really like this album -- amy writes like emily (hey kind friend),
emily writes like amy (caramia), and then there is this piano thing =)

  i'm still trying to figure out caramia (and i wonder if that's a
typo for cara mia, but wtf ;)).  lyrically, its among em's best.  i
have a slight leaning towards being an emily person, but she can be
too literal in her writing -- this is not.  still on the musical end,
the "melody" seems thrown together and disorganized.  which, of
course, is fitting with the lyrics.  *shrug* i have a feeling in the
long run i'm gonna love this song, but it does take some getting used
to.  i'd love to hear a discussion on this....

  for ig rarities, you might want to start subscribing to ice (i
forget what it stands for, international somthing).  its a
magazine/pamphlet which is a catalog of rare and imported (read
illegal and bootleged) music.  note i make no moral judgements on the
use of this method.  it seems a&e would rather we didn't support the
cd boot industry.  besides, free tape trading makes the whole business
superfluous.  i have no further information on ice, but you probably
could get the details from a web search....

other album thoughts:

  my current vote for favorite song is _shed your skin_.  joan and i
were both in awe when we heard it at mama kin and the album version
does not disappoint.  lorinda was thinking about extended songs for
concert jams (a la chickenman or touch me fall) -- sys or dgtgag
would be my votes here.

  i think i may have to get a convertible and a tape loop of shame on
you.  definately the best ig driving song to date. for a three chord
ditty, amy does one heck of a job.  for the video i want to see a&e
driving off, leaning out the window, shaking a finger at the ins agent
a'singin' "la la la -- shame on you!"

  listening to burn all the letters reminds me i need to get rid of
five-plus years of stuff from my ex-gf before kim and i move to
washington.  oops. =)

  i think drew vogel said it first, but i'll second it.  ulali does
provide a very rich background texture -- things you you could never
get out of an instrument. i don't know if i could handle an entire
album of it, but as part of the arangement, they work.

                                -- chris

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i've got to jump in on this one too.  as a big fan of the slower, more
folky ig tunes, the new album is a bit of a dissapointment to me as
well.  it just sounds so mainstream - stuff i expect z100 in new york to
start playing (new yorkers, you must know how z100 tends to overplay
top-40 stuff).  case in point, while i was playing sys, my roommate
walked in the room and thought i had the radio on.  when i told him it
was the new ig cd, he said something like "really, this sounds like the
cranberries" - and actually, someone else said the same thing to me (same
reference to the cranberries) last night.

and maybe this sounds snobby, but i *don't want* to hear ig on a station
like z100 with other top-40 stuff.  i just think if they make that leap,
they will have reservations about going back to playing the slower, folky
tunes which many of the fans love dearly.  at the very least, doing that
will risk getting album reviews which will consistantly mention how
sucessfull their last album was in comparison to the more folk-based
stuff.

i don't mean to be totally negative - i love gotm, i think it's destined
to reach the same levels as galileo and (perhaps over time) ctf.  leeds
is awesome (more piano music!!!) and, although it's heavily orchestrated,
caramia is also wonderful (and playing as i write this)  i think i'll be
very happy when that more acoustic album with winthrop, chiapas bound,
etc. comes out.  anyone have an idea when??

btw, despite my asking 3 different tower records boston employees to
locate the calendar, they insisted they had no idea what i was talking
about.  however, on the way out of the store, as i was throwing away the
wrapping so i could pop the disc right into my discman, i found an ig
promo poster in the garbage - it says "complete your indigo girls
colletion" and has pictures of all the cd covers.  it's on my wall now :)

--nick
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trinket wrote:

< how to describe it, theres no depth.  what i love most about ig is the
< subtle intricacies, the quiet melodies being played in the background,
< constantly discovering something you hadn't heard the 100 times before.

did you catch the theme from, "this is my father's house" in "hey kind friend"?
a definate emilyism.

trant

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hey kids!  (said in that announcer-man voice)-
during my commute this am, i heard john fisher of kmtt say that they would
"go deeper into the indigo girls new cd" during the mountain fresh focus,
today at 3:20pm.  i believe they play this again later at night in case you
miss it at 3:20pm.  he also said that one of the "ts" in kmtt stood for
tolerance....maybe;)  this was followed by melissa etheridge "yes i am".
pretty cool, i say!

and no, i don't have an opinion about sots like everyone else on this list,
because i don't have it yet!!!  it's in the mail...somewhere between here
and atlanta.  so i just have to keep playing the single shame on you over
and over and over.... darn! ;)

peace and carrots,
betsy

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and we'll make it fine, if the weather holds.
but if the weather holds, then we'll have missed the point.
that's where i need to go.
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on wed, 30 apr 1997, amanda c. goad wrote:

>
> this album is indeed much more openly "gay" than the others (which i see as
> very cool, having myself come to be openly "gay" since the last
> release)...and also much more explicit with its sexual references...how is

i have to disagree.  with the exception of the line in "it's alright" i
don't think you can see the album as "gay".  and i'm not sure i even
think that makes it gay.  my take on ia is that it's speaking about
tolerance.  the other female references in that song could easily be
refering to a female friend.  unless you already knew, i doubt people
can listen to sots and say, "there's an album by two lesbians."

i don't by any means intend this as a flame, i just had a sorta funny
experience with someone who thought ig played about and to homosexual
audiences.  i was in my dorm room with my roommate, his friend from home
and my girlfriend (at the time) when my roommate's friend (who didn't
know that the girl next to me was my girlfriend) upon seeing the pile of
ig cd's next to my stero said something like "oh, your an indigo girls
fan...that's great, i have lots of gay friends too."  my girlfriend and i
just took one look at each other and cracked up.  :)  i suppose i could
have been insulted, but it was just easier to laugh it off.  my
roommate's friend turned 4 shads of red and i doubt she makes comments
like that anymore.... :)

just my $0.02, sorry for the waste of bw

--nick
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aarrrrgggghhhh!!!!!!!

i've already turned all the shades of green possible due to envy becos the
rest of u guys already have your copies of sots....it'll probably take a
couple of weeks before it makes its way down to 'lil 'ol me in 'lil 'ol
singapore.

i'm just trying to keep myself calm and stop hounding the people down at
tower records by calling them all the time asking about the album. i'm just
hoping that when it finally makes its way down here, i haven't worked
myself up into too much of a frenzy and i'll still be able to walk...*grin*

so here's wishing all my fellow listees peace, love and all things good and
indigo.. : )

siti

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i'm unsubscribing for half a week or so while i move and finish up a
project at work. for the folks in my branch (taurus) of the
hofstra/scholastic boot, please have patience, i'll hopefully have them out
by wednesday of next week. moving can be a bitch. if you're a taurus, and
you want a copy of those two tapes, feel free to email me :) if you've
already emailed me concerning this boot, but have not yet mailed your
tapes, email me and i'll give you my new address. if you just mailed me and
are now freaking out reading this msg, never fear, i can still get mail
from my old apt. i haven't yet ostracized myself from my old roomates. *grin*

um .. that's all. *grin*
shana, email me.

here's my shout-out for the week-- .. err .. the year!

wahooo the album is out! wheeeeeeeeeeee yippee skippee!!!!

merry thursday,

raine

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i am a bit distressed by the negative comments i have been seeing
about ulali and their "ability" to sing.  personally, i *love* their
vocals on sots.  the vocalization style is very consistent with the
native american recordings i have heard.  what we all need to
remember is that *our* western definition of music is not
universally what music is.  the first time i heard native music with
vocals,i wasnt surei "liked" it either, but the more i listen to it,
the more i can hear the emotion and passion.  it's just different,
and that always takes some acclimating.  let's give ig some credit
for having something which is going to be unique to the majority of
their listeners on their album.

i like this album, on the whole, a lot.  i hav ebeen listneing to it
for a few weeks now and am psyched to finally be able to see all of
the lyrics as well.  i do have to say that the cut which does the
least for me is "cut it out".  my favorite is "get out the map".

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i have but one thing to say....
this album rocks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  i love it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(okay, so it was 2 things....so sue me :)

i bought it last night, but couldn't listen to it cuz my g/f isn't really
into the girls (we'll fix that little problem ;).  however, halfway into my
4th listen, i'm lovin it.  i absolutely love dgtgag.  it kinda makes me feel
weird in the pit of my gut...i don't know how to describe it.  i fully expect
to be listening to this almost nonstop for the next millenia.  well, okay,
maybe only 500 years...give or take a century. :)

dawn

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on tue, 29 apr 1997, emily d. mark wrote:

> gripe #3: ulali can't sing, and they make the songs they're in sound
> terrible. and why does it seem that it is a contest to include the

i'll second this one!  they are annoying!  i've taken voice lessons for 4
years, piano for 12 and i know how complicated harmonies work, but that
doesn't change the fact that i think the sound of their voices (on burn
all the letters, mostly) is just plain irritating.

i'm not sure i can see the spice girls on the next ig album, but who's to
say they won't be worse than ulali.  (just kidding, don't kill me ...)

apologies to the ulali fans out there.  i'm just not one.

---nick
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hi all-
sots rocks!  i'd never heard scooter boys, and i just think it's awesome!  i'm
also wondering if anyone knows why they excluded chiapas
bound and winthrop on the c.d.?  i still can't find the calendar
anywhere!  well, have fun watching (and i'm sure taping) the girls on
letterman tonight!

-alicia
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     you wrote:

gripe #3: ulali can't sing, and they make the songs they're in sound
terrible. and why does it seem that it is a contest to include the
weirdest instruments possible and as many as possible into a single song.
a bazooki? come on...

     oh my goodness! i guess you've never seen ulali in concert? i saw them
     open for the girls in madison a few years ago and i had goosebumps the
     whole time they sang!

     just my $.02...

     kira "digging the funky instruments, plus bazooki just sounds cool" :)

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hello kind friends,

        i just wanted to let you know how excited i am over this whole
sots release. i have been waiting ever since last summer when i went to
the demo tour show.( by the way i liked the songs then.. especiall "it's
alright") anyhow.. thanks to my wonderful girlfriend who went out
yesterday before i even woke and bought the new cd, the starter limited
edition cd, she also got the promo calandar, and she talked the guy into
giving her the new release promo poster!!! all i have to say is she is the
best! the only problem is that she lives in michigan right now and i am in
ny so i don't get to hear the real cd till it comes in the mail, and i
don't get to see my wonder calandar or poster till she comes out to ny in
a little over a week, but i have waited this long.. what is a few more
days???

             life, love, laughter, and friendship
                      jen

p.s. please don't pick this post apart for spelling and/or grammer
  content.. cause i really don't care :)

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>> and  gotm, in mho, is a different type of love song. i also happen to think
>> there are sexual innuendos all over the place but i won't go there...
>>
>i will! i will!

and she did

>so, unless my mind isn't sufficiently twisted to appreciate it, there really
>don't seem to be that many sexual references on this album. only half the
>songs have any even vaguely sexual innuendo at all.

and that isn't enough? :) my post was in response to some one saying the
album wasn't very personal. i was just attempting to show there was a lot
of a personal nature on it.

deb

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told you i howl at the moon on occasion.....

jessica clued me in (thanks!) - their sigs do bleed through the front
cover of the liner notes. my mistake....

n.


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kira wrote:

>kira "digging the funky instruments, plus bazooki just sounds cool" :)

yeah, and anyone who can get a bazoki and a banjo in the same song definitely
deserves some applause!

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conerning sexual inuendos in the songs on sots kirsten said:

>leeds: "find the open hole and press your fingers there with all your >might"

i would have to disagree with the sexual inuendo aspect of this line. at
first i too thought this was a bit sexually overt, but on 2nd listen i
really believe this is more about a "spiritual" hole, about feeling
one's self slipping out and hoping someone can help keep you from losing
yourself (to paraphrase a line from amy).

so far i have only listened to the cd twice.

i love soy, dgtgag, gotm, it's alright.

not certain about sys yet.

and, personally, i think caramia is too overproduced. btw, does anyone
know what/who caramia refers to? i tried doing a search on the word,
thinking it may be an historical reference, but didn't get any hits.

overall impressions of the cd:

it's really got a different feel to it than any previous ig albums. of
course i remember 3 years ago sitting in a friends backyard, headphones
on listening to swamp ophelia and thinking exactly the same thing, and
today so is probably my favorite ig album (ask again next week and i
will likely have changed my mind!). i love the different
intrsumentation. the piano on leeds is wonderful and i love that it
doesn't stick to the normal aaba or abab formula with which "pop" songs
are supposed stick. you just know that soy in concert is going to be a
reall rousing number... no sitting in your seats during this song!

peace,

dan perkins
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post-episodic clairvoyant,
bassist/singer/songwriter.

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the animals all hung out and interacted fretlessly
and the world began to vibrate with such a deep tonality
the day the bass players took over the world."
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hey, y'all!

        well, sots totally rocks!!!!!!  i'm not going to reiterate what all
you have said about it, but i think that this may be their best to date.  i
can't keep it out of my cd player.  anyone else think that "caramia" sounds
a bit like "mystery"?  maybe a sequal or something?  just a thought.
        anyone from the saratoga springs area know if coconuts has the
calendar deal?  i forgot to check yesterday, silly me.  what exactly is the
deal anyway?  i still have my receipt, so could i go snag one if they had
one?

        take care and be happy,

                sarah :-)

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abstein@force.stwing wrote:

>>are you saying you don't like caramia, or that it's something that
shouldn't be played over regularly like songs on an album are?
>>
both...i mean it's very rare -- never before actually -- that i flat out dont
like an ig song to the point where i cant listen to it...but right now this
seems like one of those songs that i cant listen to...their stuff always
seems to grow on me, though...i'd like to hear what other people think about
this one.

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at 12:26 pm 4/29/97 -0700, gwendigo wrote:
>*on the anigarden list, they've been talking about how the cuts are poor
>and the recording is so-so, but the more i listen, the more i am convinced
>that the concept and the way it was played out in the album are right on.

well, imo the person who said living in clip is better than 1200 curfews is
out of his mind.  i like lic, but i think 1200 curfews blows it out of the
water!

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darren matthew glass <darglass@owlnet.rice.edu> wrote:
>this is a tape put out as a promo by arista records which is a five song
>cassetts from a show michelle did with drag the river at the cotton club
>in atlanta.

mm's burning fires over atlanta promo was released on cd too.

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celeste pietrusza <botany07@aol.com> wrote:

>this one isnt "imbedded
>in sexual ambiguity" as so many reviews have stated.  i mean, have the girls
>ever been so direct as to say " the beautiful ladies walk by..."  "hate me
>because i'm gay" and so many female pronouns?  just an observation...

it would appear that some people seem to think that when women speak of
other women in that way it is by nature ambiguous, because they couldn't
possibly not be interested in men at all.

>where is leeds?

england.

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"j \"tigger\" kickliter" <emilyamy@aol.com> wrote:

>kristina wrote:
>>>f) those dolls are still creepy!<<
>
>i quite agree - looks like chuckyette!!!!!  <humming the twilight zone theme>

not as creepy as they are on the sony site... click on any of the pics of
a&e at the top of various pictures for creepy doll movies!  yikes!

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ryan <ryan@ou.edu> wrote:
>i love to see any musical progression in any artists, especially
>my fav group.  it seems to me that although the addage if it ain't broke,
>don't fix it might apply to music, for the most part it seems like
>stagnation.  ig have really done a great job of progressing as musicians
>and artists throughout all their albums.  the difference between strange
>fire and sots is unreal.

i couldn't agree more.  but what makes them one of my favorites is that
their cds are so *consistently* excellent.  there are artists out there
that change styles between recordings, but i tend to like some of their cds
a lot and others not at all(sinead o'connor, for example).  not so for ig
-- for all the differences between the cds, i still love them all.  the
only other artist i can think of that can say that about is suzanne vega,
though ani is definitely changing her styles more on the last few cds.

one thing that stands out to me on the cd, as well as at the au show, is
that amy is using the upper registers of her vocal range *much* more.  now,
i don't know that i'd want her to make a habit of it <g>, but i think it's
cool!  there's one part near the end of gotm where it almost sounds like
emily's vocal slides into amy's, but i think it's actually just amy!  need
to listen more.

-----

morgan <morgan@northcoast.com> wrote:
>        i don't know how i'll go to school tomorrow and concentrate on
>anything. isn't this an excuseable absence...can't concetrate on
>anything cause all i can hear is amy singing the come on over
>section...

lol!  me too!  i listened to sots on my way to work this morning, and i
can't get the chorus of sys out of my head!  it kept me awake last night
too!  it's too early for me to give a proper evaluation of sots, but i
definitely think sys is going to be one of my favorite amy songs.

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"dr. urvashi pitre" <upitre@gamma.is.tcu.edu> wrote:
>i have heard others express similar opinions but i think ulali are great!!

i find them much too distracting... similarly, i dislike emily's "wailing,"
as someone called it, in the bridge of sys.

>does anyone else think ani's drummer (andy something) rocks??!! i like him
>a lot.

then you *really* must buy the new live ani, because i love andy too, and
he really shines (on drums *and* vocals) live.

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fellow atlanta fans~
i can't believe only one person has commented on this incredible show -
and they were from out of town. c'mon fellow atlantans, i know you were
there, i saw you. anyone have any comments or news about boots, even
though they only played 5 or 6 songs? did anyone wait in the
way-too-long-line-even-for-a-true-fan to get autographs? let's hear some
feedback.

leann

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i second darian's motion.  ulali rocks, i totally dig their funky
indigenous groove (maybe that's not such a 90s phrase?).  i think they are
fabulous, and i love their addition to the album.  i think it's touches
like their vocals that keep this album fresh among all the potential for
canned music.

on wed, 30 apr 1997, darian wrote:

> >gripe #3: ulali can't sing,
>
> now, i am not one to flame, but are you serious? ulali are amazing. have you
> ever tried to sing the amazing and intricate harmonies they are pulling off.
> i sing, and i am telling you... these girls are amazing, unreal.
> ==================================================
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on wed, 30 apr 1997, nick cernese wrote:

> on tue, 29 apr 1997, emily d. mark wrote:
> > gripe #3: ulali can't sing, and they make the songs they're in sound
> > terrible. and why does it seem that it is a contest to include the
> i'll second this one!  they are annoying!  i've taken voice lessons for 4
> years, piano for 12 and i know how complicated harmonies work, but that
> doesn't change the fact that i think the sound of their voices (on burn
> all the letters, mostly) is just plain irritating.
>
i really like the lassies from ulali! they add so much -- especially in
leeds. certainly, i don't have much knowledge of 'world' music, so i'm not
an expert, but i really like their sound.

ulali doesn't have any cds out, do they?

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i realize that i am the one who has commented, but i stood in the
way-too-long line!!!! the concert ended at like, 9:45 or so, and i
was there till almost midnight waiting - it was worth every second,
of course!!!!!!!!

=o)
still on top of the world, and about to go to pe and run 3 miles on
no sleep whatsoever....
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> date:          wed, 30 apr 1997 12:01:14 -0400
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> fellow atlanta fans~
> i can't believe only one person has commented on this incredible show -
> and they were from out of town. c'mon fellow atlantans, i know you were
> there, i saw you. anyone have any comments or news about boots, even
> though they only played 5 or 6 songs? did anyone wait in the
> way-too-long-line-even-for-a-true-fan to get autographs? let's hear some
> feedback.
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> leann
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howdy,

someone (kristen maybe?) posted that winthrop would be on the next
album...  have we heard this for sure?  i know we heard that chiapas
would be there, but it would *totally* make my day to know that winthrop
will be too!  can anyone confirm?

thanks,
deb the indigeek :)

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kirsten kindly enumerated:

> soy: "when the beautiful ladies walk right by, i never know what to say"
> gotm: "sitting in a broken circle while you rest upon my knee" (hee hee)
> sys: uh, the entire song
> ia: ? (unless you count "hate me 'cause i'm gay", and i don't)
> caramia: "your head on the bedboard, the anguished repeat, the sweat of our
>          sadness, the twist of the sheets"
> dgtgag: ? (unless you consider the, um, *freudian* significance of the title)
> leeds: "find the open hole and press your fingers there with all your might"
> sb: "crying about my own virginity" (hee hee)

in dgtgag, there's also more than one way to take "why can't we come
together"...[trying not to snicker like beavis]
not saying the album is r-rated or anything but it seems that what we've got
listed here constitutes a lot more sex than was found on, say, so.

and the same with the gay references...
nick observed:
> tolerance.  the other female references in that song could easily be
> refering to a female friend.  unless you already knew, i doubt people
> can listen to sots and say, "there's an album by two lesbians."
i see what you're saying, and you have a straight perspective on the lyrics
that i don't.  in ia you're right, the rest could be a friend.  but...for me
the revolutionary "gay" song on the album is dgtgag.  "'i love you'...i'm
your girl, strong and mean...hold me closer."  that ain't no friend.
poor amy.
but anyway.
plus caramia, that's pretty overtly lesbian to me, no gender in the song but
the title...

btw, thanks to all those who cleared me up on the alaskan bar. :)
amanda c. goad
rice pride/rice college bowl/rice veggie club/sid women's football/fondren
govpubs
"funny, i think we were on the same boat/back in 1694..." -- amy ray, "shame
on you"

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shaming of the sun is damn good energy when you need a second wind, and
when you need that second wind to last you for thirty-six hours and
counting.  i'm looking forward to the folk album but gentle acoustic just
wouldn't have cut it these past couple of days.


....audrey
*still not quite done with the project but on the home stretch ---  yes! and
aaaoooooh!!!!!!!!

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i don't know if this has been answered yet (i'm one of those digest people):

>somebody asked about the "lower 48" in cio...i'm assuming 48 contiguous us,
>as opposed to alaska...but i'm wondering about the "sittin in darwin's
>theory" part...does she mean something about survival of the fittest being
>played out in her "politics" or in life overall? anybody got a good theory?
>

darwin's theory is a bar in downtown anchorage usually frequented by locals
and members of the press. it sports a sign in the window that reads "tourist
trap," probably because it's not the kind of place those who just stepped
off one of the princess cruise ships would venture into  ;0

a & e must've stopped in for a brew while they were in anchorage two years
ago.  it makes sense, because the venue at which they performed (atwood) is
only  a few blocks away.

how's that for deep meaningful theory?

back to my so far fruitless hunt for promo stuff,
bon

(anyone come across any "stuff" in the seattle area?)

bonster@u.washington.edu

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okay what does everyone think about kermit the frog talking in the backgound on
hkf?

okay, i know, its michael lorant or somesuchperson but i swear the first time i
heard it i thought it was kermit

ribbit

what exactly is he saying?

heart y'all! where's a qtip when i need it?

xo, sus

and in the immortal words of mister t on dance fever:
**i give it an 8.5...i love the costumes, and you can really shake yer booty to
it!***


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subject:      paper or plastic

i have always gotten the digipacs.........according to harmony
house's distributor (a michigan record outlet), the digipac are
really produced in "limited numbers"......after the supply runs out,
epic will only be producing the cd's in jewel cases...so if anyone
finds a digipack from so or 1200 on the shelf...it was from the first
production of those cd's......i consider it sort of a collectors item,
since there are not as many produced, but i think that is a matter
of personal opinion.....i like the digipacks because they do not
consist of all that plastic...so they seem like a more ecologically
sound buy....

just my opinion,
forever indigo,
cathy

".....for everything i learn there are two i don't understand......"
e. saliers

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subject:      ulali........want more?(nigc)

hi everyone in post sots release bliss............

i love ulali!  we got to see them live in everett, washington a few months
ago.  their voices are amazing!!!!!!!  major bumps were a raising on my arm
that night.  if you want to hear more ulali they have a cd out and here is
how you can get it:

mahk jchi cassette   $12.00
mahk jchi cd         $16.00
plus $3.00 shipping and handling
*tax included where applicable*

send check or money order to:

corn beans and squash music
56 beach st.
statin island, new york  10304

thank you to ig for all of the artist they have exposed me to..........your
beauty keeps shaking me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

peace
pj

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i know everyone on the list was not able to obtain copies of the promo
videos, and so im here to offer all of those interested, an oportunity to
get a video...
the only way i was able to get extras, was to buy them off someone for
$10 each...
i was able to get 4 extras, so the first 4 people to email me privately
and who are willing to send me $12 dollars in order to cover postage, the
video is yours...
you must be able to send me the $ in the next day or so because ill be
leaving school soon, but ill be able to send the videos out the day or
day after recieving your $...
lauren
lschwart@goucher.edu

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hi kind friends..
   i don't know why i didn't post last night while i was on my ig high..
and high i was.  i don't even remember the hour and a half drive back to
athens. but about tower.. i met up wiht a bunch of list people (hi
everyone!) at bennigan's and then we went over to tower.  we had okay
seats (well, in the end it was standing room) in the middle/front.
nothing like cindy i am afraid.  but still, i enjoyed the show.  i'll let
someone else do the show review thing.. but i do remeber watching emily
bend over to talk to someone.. little did i know it was cindy! and i heard
amy read her shirt.. yup, it was the lower east side needle exchange one.
btw who was the guy with the list shirt on standing near the front?  i
wanted to come say hi, but couldn't get to you.
anyway, after the show the list folk i had met up with decieded to bail..
long long line to get a cd signed.  i was actually thinking of leaving too
but then i ran into my agnes scott friends and ended up waiting in the
line.  umm, it was worth it.  i was having a horible time (ex was there)
waiting in that line, but by the time i walked out of tower with my
autographed cd.. who the hell cares about my ex! i was floating... my
conversation was the generic you are the greatest stuff but still i talked
to them.. amy looked at me.. i hesitated leaving until she did.  they are
just like everyone else who has described the whole meet and greet thing
have said.  emily the talkative friendly smiling one, amy just doing what
she must.  dont get me wrong, she wasn't rude or anything.. just well,
just being amy i guess.  anyway, if you have read this far, thanks.
i am going to go now..but it was a night to remember..
oh, one last thing..
on my drive back i started thinking about how great it would be to just
sit and talk with them.  i respect them for what they do as much, if not
more, then for their music.  to have a real conversation with them would
be amazing.. if only..
peace,
em

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i bought saming of the sun last night.  it is great, i have been
listening to it all morning.

the funny thing is i swore i heard "catherine" instead of "hey kind
friend".  yikes!

~jessi
"may our seed of light open, brighten, and sow peace on earth."
                -paula cole

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hi.

i think that ulali is awesome.  yes they have an album out if you're
interested in getting it.  it's well worth the money.  it's got that
wailing thing they do, but also a lot of other subtler things.  it's a
very rhythmic record and you can get it from ladyslipper.  try their
website.

anyway, i have a few questions to you informed people on the list.  what
does "dolittle" mean?  also, what does "milagro" refer to?

and did anyone else notice amy's lack of usage of jerry marotta?  i guess
it sounds fine, but only soy has him as the drummer, oh that leads me to
my next question of what the difference is between a drummer and a
percussionist.

burn all the letters.  does this remind anyone else of the kinds of
resistance songs they sang in the 60s where they used a metaphor to talk
about instigating change in the world?  whatever the case, i get really
hopeful listening to this song.  what's this song about?

wendell

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jeez, ya post one review, and you get flamed all over the place for it :)
i'm not referring to those who disagree with me on ulali (hey, i have the
hte cd and i still skip their song every time.) everyone's got a right to
their own opinion-- including me! in the past 24 hours i've been branded
the anti-fan, a scourge to the list, blah blah blah.... makes a person not
want to post an honest opinion. i'm just posting again to say be nice!!
this playground has rules, pardners, and one is respect. at least i think
it is a rule. if it's not, it should be.. :) i'm glad to see everyone so
excited.. sounds like we'll have lots to chat about in the coming weeks...

lurv and smurches
emily

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subject:      recording tapes to cd?

just wondered if anyone knew if its possible to record tapes to cd's.  im
thinking of putting some of my boots on cd, so they last longer.  if anyone
knows if this is possible and the price it would be to do this e-mail me with
the info.

thanks,
mary

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ok...i just had to jump in on this one....

first of all, i love sots.  this maybe because it was my first new ig
album since i really started to love them.  after going to all the shows
i could possibly make it to and afford, and hearing all the new stuff,
it's great to have it at my fingertips.  the songs bring me back to the
shows, which happen to be some of the most memorable and special times of
my life.  this is definatly my favorite cd of all time.  i love it.  oh,
this is also the first cd that i've ever stood in line at tower at
midnight to buy (i was teh first in boston to get it!!)

as for the inuendos....i too noticed many!!  i'm not going to get
explicit because i think most of us already know, but i think that sys,
dgtgag, and caramia are definatly laden with sexual inuendos.
personally, i love sys, although i'm still not used to the whole hip-hop
bit, i think i like it thought!  i loved dgtgag from the first chord at
mhc.  i wouln't go into details, but if anyone sees a relationship
between tmf and dgtgag, e-mail me privatly.  as for caramia, i'm ashamed
to say that after the first verse i wrote it off when i first heard it.
i thought that em was getting a bit to, um...how do i say this without
geting flamed, cheesy.  but after listening a few times and reading the
lyrics, i love it, it's one of my fave em songs.  i lvoe leeds too.  i
love all the songs... i think sys and dgtgag are my favories, but leeds
and caramia also really hold a special place in my heart.  oh, gosh...i
just love sots...more than anything.  right now, it's getting me through
end of the year, final paper, crunch.  ok, i need to stop.  i promised
myself i'd be a lurker, but i think that my true extroverted self may
begin to show more!!

all the love and indigo in the world to y'all!!

jess

"hey holy, console me, some power controls me...."  -a. ray

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> mahk jchi cassette   $12.00
> mahk jchi cd         $16.00

i remember reading or hearing somewhere that mahk jchi means all my
relations.  interesting given the sots liner.  i could be completely
wrong though. can anyone confirm or deny this?

btb, i bought their album from them at mt. holyoke and i love it.  i also
have pura fe's solo album and don't like it nearly as much
-- it's mostly pretty bad soft rock imho.

take care,
erica

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hey y'all,

now is it just me, and i'm like completely crazy and bonkers, or does 'cut
it out' bear a melodic resemblance to 'everybody's waiting...' kinda like
the song went out and bought itself a faster tempo, a couple of electric
guitars, and a pinch more angst for a night on the town???

go ahead, you can tell me....be honest (won't be the first time i've been
called bonkers :)

la la la,
cylinda
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subject:      sots!!!  (and a little twilight zone ...)

hi y'all,
  i haven't posted in about 2 years ... (ever since an animal research
discussion drove me under ... barb, are you still here? 8-o)  anyway ... i
ran out to circuit city at lunchtime to get sots - i was too worried that
they'd be gone after reading your posts this am.  well... all the bins were
empty!! new release area, their ig bin area, even hot new hits!!!!  but no
fear, all the ones out on display were gone, but more were hidden
underneath.... whew ...
   but what made me post this was that when i drove the 10 minutes back to
work, what comes on the radio but soy!!!!  you have to understand that i'm a
radio scanner... as soon as a tune comes on i don't know/like, scan gets hit
... what made me hesitate as the chords came floating out of the speakers is
beyond me ... and i've never heard any of the music!!!!  doo-doo ....
doo-dooo  where's rod serling??
(at least, i haven't heard any yet ... because i have my boot tape envelopes
on my desk  ... hi ryan, maureen, and jude ... they go out this
afternoon!!!!!)
  just wanted to share my excitement ...
    sarah

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tracy and i will be going to wildrose tonight to watch ellen - hope to see
some of you pnw listees there.

jeni.
"the highest form of cynicism is to see right through the manipulation of
advertising. yet still buy the product." -from "data trash"
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the whole sots cd strikes me as a tightly wound ball of neuroses.  amy is
forever guilty if not because of her own misdeeds as in dgtgag, then of those
of her ancestors as in sb.  emily, on the other hand, seems to have a nicely
developed case of paranoia.  she speaks of conspiracy in leeds and batl is
completely paranoid.  i'm not saying that her paranoia isn't justified,
especially as an individual living in the public eye--but it is paranoia
nonetheless.
                        just some psychological ruminations
                        julie feia

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does anyone have a list of shows, letterman, etc. that the girls will be on
soon?  did i understand correctly that they will be on letterman tonight?

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go here to find pics from last night!!

http://www.geocities.com/collegepark/quad/8541/poptartcindy.html

if ya wanna reply to me, do so at my regular address, please...
gossett@centre.edu

i rarely check this mail... its for convienance while i'm on the net...

=o)

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subject:      nigc-chrysler/ellen voting

responses are running 7 to 1 in agreement with chrysler for not
sponsoring the ellen show today. please call and pass the word!!  the
number is 1-800-992-1997...it's all automated, so you don't have to
say anything, just push buttons....when the recording says "or wait
for a customer service rep" there will be a pause and it will say
"press 1" if you want customer relations issues....that's the one you
want---then she'll say press 2 for the april 30th episode of ellen....
.press 2 for disagreement with chrysler!!!  i am sure that the
falwell camp has recruited their following to call repeatedly thus
turning this into a lob sided, untrue vote of the people.....let's
fight back.....call now...

thanks,
cathy

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at the fw concert, i took some pictures (like about 38 of 'em). due to my
inexperience and bad karma, they aren't fantastic. kind of a dark and
grainy. but i was in the first row, and there are enough pictures to
satisfy a true fan's lust for examining every inch of their faces and
watching them smile :) i should think at least 8 are good enough for
gazing.

the problem is i don't have a scanner, i don't have a web page and i don't
currently have the time to set one up. would somebody who can get to this
fairly soon be interested in taking over this pleasurable job? please
e-mail me privately, let me know how soon you can get to it and i will mail
the pictures to you. i know chicken man (hi tony!) is looking forward to
this too!


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at 10:48 am 4/30/97 -0500, dan perkins wrote:
>conerning sexual inuendos in the songs on sots kirsten said:
>
>>leeds: "find the open hole and press your fingers there with all your
>might"
>
>i would have to disagree with the sexual inuendo aspect of this line. at
>first i too thought this was a bit sexually overt, but on 2nd listen i
>really believe this is more about a "spiritual" hole, about feeling
>one's self slipping out and hoping someone can help keep you from losing
>yourself (to paraphrase a line from amy).

maybe it's just all the flooding in the northwest, but to me, it's a
reference to try to contain a leak, or worse, a flood...

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at 11:55 am 4/30/97 -0400, lisa arthur wrote:
>abstein@force.stwing wrote:
>
>>>are you saying you don't like caramia, or that it's something that
>shouldn't be played over regularly like songs on an album are?
>>>
>both...i mean it's very rare -- never before actually -- that i flat out dont
>like an ig song to the point where i cant listen to it...but right now this
>seems like one of those songs that i cant listen to...their stuff always
>seems to grow on me, though...i'd like to hear what other people think about
>this one.

i like caramia much better on the cd than i did live, but i don't think it
will ever be a song i look forward to hearing on the cd, even if i don't
skip it.  "leeds" on the other hand, bores me as much on cd as it did live.
but it's cool that so many of you like it -- diversity is a good thing (tm)!

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at 11:01 am 4/30/97 -0400, nick cernese <nick@tasha.bu.edu> wrote:

>i have to disagree.  with the exception of the line in "it's alright" i
>don't think you can see the album as "gay".

i agree with you, nick, i think that the album, while sexual, is still only
subtly "gay" (and i don't consider that to be either a good thing, or a bad
thing... it just *is*).

did anybody see ig with mm and caroline aiken and dede vogt at the flying
biscuit the other night?  if so, give us the scoop!

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hi all,
yes, it is possible to record tapes to cd. bear in mind that the
finished product will only sound as good as the original tape. but
as a means of preserving recordings, it is great. not to mention
that you can make more tape copies without a "loss of generation", so
the copies are clearer. the biggest minus is the cost. we run a
recording studio, and we do have the equipment if anyone is interested.
maximun length is 74 minutes per cd. cost would  average about $35
per disc. ouch! (i told you it was bad! :-(  the real problem is that
the recordable cd's are expensive, and the gear to do it is high, too.)
however, if you are interested, e-mail me privately. this might be a
great idea for those boots, especially for those of you who make
a lot of copies for people, etc.
suzanne

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yes folks, it's true......my project is finished.


"computers and education: completed web pages of a project-in-progress"

is located at http://www.stwing.upenn.edu/~abstein/cande


it's a long read but it says a lot of important things about education,
computers, and the internet which are likely to make you think.  my
thesis discusses--among other things--the indigo girls and this listserv.

happy reading!  happy learning!


thanks,
audrey

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hi...does anyone know off the top of their head if blue food is 60 or 90
minutes?  i don't have the info at work.

thanks!
jill

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>
> i would have to disagree with the sexual inuendo aspect of this line. at
> first i too thought this was a bit sexually overt, but on 2nd listen i
> really believe this is more about a "spiritual" hole, about feeling
> one's self slipping out and hoping someone can help keep you from losing
> yourself (to paraphrase a line from amy).
>
well, i guess you could read it either way. perhaps both meanings were
intended. after all, it would be an interesting analogy, between the loss of
one's soul and the loss of one's...uh...see my previous interpretation of this
line. 8-)
kirsten


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>
> someone (kristen maybe?) posted that winthrop would be on the next
> album...  have we heard this for sure?  i know we heard that chiapas
> would be there, but it would *totally* make my day to know that winthrop
> will be too!  can anyone confirm?
>
no, i haven't heard anything absolutely definite about it, but i did hear
what seemed like a strong rumor (possibly from a credible source, probably
not.) i can't imagine them *not* releasing it sometime soon, but then, they
waited 10 years to finally release "nashville" officially...maybe they do that
with all songs named after cities...:-\
kirsten

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hello munchkins --

everyone within listening distance to wxpn in phila. got treated this morning
to 5 or 6 ig tunes in a row!!!- including gotm and soy -- as part of the
'ncyclopedia of music special -- artist by artist - a to z!!

we rock!!!  ;)
wa-hoo!!
karen

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hey all.

i have lots to say bout the new album, but my more pressing concern is
strategy for getting tickets to the holmdel, nj, show. i know they go on sale
this coming saturday, but do we need wristbands, etc???  anybody with any
information can e-mail me privately or post it to the lits.  thanks again...

-dani

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hey y'all!


you us fans are really lucky being able to get the album now, over here
in the uk we've got to wait 'til next monday (damn record companies!)
by the sounds of it, it's worth the wait though!!


andrew

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>
> the whole sots cd strikes me as a tightly wound ball of neuroses.  amy is
> forever guilty if not because of her own misdeeds as in dgtgag, then of those
> of her ancestors as in sb.  emily, on the other hand, seems to have a nicely
> developed case of paranoia.  she speaks of conspiracy in leeds and batl is
> completely paranoid.  i'm not saying that her paranoia isn't justified,
> especially as an individual living in the public eye--but it is paranoia
> nonetheless.
um, could you be a little more specific here? i don't see dgtgag as neurotic
at all. it dwells not on amy's misdeeds, but on the actions of, um, the person
the song is about (let's avoid repeating *that* flame war...) in response to
those misdeeds. "i come from privilege too" in sb isn't paranoia, it's reality,
it's facing up to the truth. leeds uses the word "conspiracy" once, to
suggest that the media might not be entirely straightforward in their
presentation of current events--hardly an earth-shattering notion. and
"the government's always on the phone, whether openly or secretly" in batl,
again, isn't paranoia but reality. if you take this line literally (and i
don't have time to look for deep meaning right now :-)), it's easy to take it
as a reference to the covert fbi monitoring of social movements that took
place in the '60s (civil rights), the '80s (dissidence about our policies
toward central america), and possibly today (radical environmental and animal
rights groups.)

just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you.
kirsten


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i am listening to living in clip.  on the very last song, overlap, ani
begins playing the song, someone shouts something and then ani starts
laughing.
anyone know what was shouted?
alycia

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on wed, 30 apr 1997, dan perkins wrote:
> conerning sexual inuendos in the songs on sots kirsten said:
> >leeds: "find the open hole and press your fingers there with all your >might"

> i would have to disagree with the sexual inuendo aspect of this line. at
> first i too thought this was a bit sexually overt, but on 2nd listen i
> really believe this is more about a "spiritual" hole, about feeling
> one's self slipping out and hoping someone can help keep you from losing
> yourself (to paraphrase a line from amy).
>
i have seen this line as analagous to a bleeding injury (remember your
first aid--apply direct pressure).  of course, this could just be because
i'm so close to taking my rn boards.  but i think this is the same
interpretation as dan's, more or less.


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it?  i pray a lot about these bad feelings inside but i can't pray my way
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subject:      some thoughts - sots

ok, i am getting really paranoid now - i've posted twice in the last few days
and neither post has showed up in the digests i've received. is anyone out
there getting my ramblings?  eek.
anyway...
1) does the line "that's why i'm still on a search/through the weather strewn
church.." in it's alright remind anyone else of "and when you're learning to
face/the path at your pace.." from watershed? i mean just the way e sings it,
not the actual lyrics.
2) i, too, think caramia is a tad overproduced. i think the lyrics are lovely
and i am definitely an e person but it just felt like.....too much, you know?
i'm sure it will grow on me :) they always do, for instance i no longer skip
tmf on so.

hoping someone actually sees this -
krista

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today could clearly contain the most tv lesbian content on television ever.
set those vcr's!   i mean ellen on oprah, ellen on her coming out show,
ellen on prime time live, ig on letterman.  that's like 4 hours of
lesbianism.  my the world has come a long way :).  where are the gay men
(see advocate article)?

i can't believe i am going to type nigc but i just had to say that i really
disliked ellen's girlfriend on oprah today.  she just gave fuel to my
parent's "it's just a phase" argument with her "oh i've never thought about
women ever before ellen".  now i will never hear the end of it--see she
chose it, it's really a choice!  not helpful ms ellen's girlfriend.  :-(  i
know i should say --well that works for her so fine--but people should be
more responsible when on national tv.  she looked like a total flake.
*rant over*

oh and i think it is safe to assume that we will all not agree on which
songs we like and dislike.  so to bicker about it is like totally not
necessary ya know.  but whoever doesn't like cara mia is clearly an ass.
joking!!!  wow 128 messages by 3 pm.  northswestern is gonna start charging
my mac rent!

bye

greg

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>um, could you be a little more specific here? i don't see dgtgag as neurotic
>at all. it dwells not on amy's misdeeds, but on the actions of, um, the person
>the song is about (let's avoid repeating *that* flame war...) in response to
*i think your error here stems from thinking that the song is only about one
person when it is clearly about the relationship between two people.  amy, i
would assume, is one of those people from her use of pronouns like "i" and "me."  i
think dgtgag discusses her own misdeeds in that she says the girl to whom we
oughtn't give a gun has a case against her.  why would "that girl" have a case
at all had amy done nothing wrong.

>those misdeeds. "i come from privilege too" in sb isn't paranoia, it's reality,
>it's facing up to the truth.
*i didn't say it was illustrative of paranoia...i said it exemplified her guilt
about her ancestors' actions and the position those actions have now put her
in.

>leeds uses the word "conspiracy" once, to
>suggest that the media might not be entirely straightforward in their
>presentation of current events--hardly an earth-shattering notion.
*i believe i was very careful to recognize the fact that her paranoia may be
justified, but it is paranoia nonetheless.  i wasn't criticizing emily--i was
just articulating a recurring theme i saw.

                        setting the record straight,
                        julie feia

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after i got passed the original euphoria of this incredible new album, i
thought i would offer my two cents.  this album is so much different from
all the others that i wasn't sure about it at first listen, but i love it
now.

being a die-hard amy fan,  i am shocked to say that next to dgtgag, caramia
is my favorite.  i can't stop listening to it!!  it has such passion and
emotion in the amy-esque sense that i have never experienced with an emily
song.  good for you emily!  i don't think it is over produced at all.  as a
matter of fact, i love the heavy instrumentation because it gives it a
heavy drive to it that i like a lot.  "why are you dreaming this.." gives
me chills everytime!

ok, i am practicing self control, and will end here, otherwise i will go on
forever.  i love this album!!

christina
"do or do not.  there is no try..."
                 -quote from a very wise little green muppet...

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date:         wed, 30 apr 1997 17:10:13 -0400
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in a message dated 97-04-30 13:42:34 edt, cathy writes:

<< .i like the digipacks because they do not
consist of all that plastic...so they seem like a more ecologically
sound buy.... >>

i also like them because to me they are more aesthetically pleasing...
i love the texture that one doesn't get on a jewel case....
i particulaly love the textures in the 1,200 curfews case.
speaking of packaging/art direction....too bad about the unfortunate
placement of the dreaded 'bar code' on sots....what was the
art director thinking ?
i understand the need for bar codes, but why can't they be more
attractive ?
:)
claire

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laura nyro................................................................

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in a message dated 97-04-30 14:47:34 edt, you write:

<<   also, what does "milagro" refer to >>
means miracle in spanish....

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is tonight the letterman appearance?  what time and station?
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yes...um....... (looks over her shoulder...)
i think that batl is dripping with paranoia.... this song puts me on edge
in much the same way that dead man's hill does ...which i appreciate.
what stikes me about the song is the apparent dichotomy between
the uplifting melody and the dark lyrics ... and is it just me ?
or was emily channeling shawn colvin on that song ?

( i also suspect she was channeling billy joel on parts of caramia...
particularly the passage... "there's a room full of faces and a show
to go on...." i swear i've heard that in a bj song somewhere....)
ta !
claire

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gwendigo wrote:
>
> on wed, 30 apr 1997, dan perkins wrote:
> > conerning sexual inuendos in the songs on sots kirsten said:
> > >leeds: "find the open hole and press your fingers there with all your >might"
>
> > i would have to disagree with the sexual inuendo aspect of this line. at
> > first i too thought this was a bit sexually overt, but on 2nd listen i
> > really believe this is more about a "spiritual" hole, about feeling
> > one's self slipping out and hoping someone can help keep you from losing
> > yourself (to paraphrase a line from amy).
> >
> i have seen this line as analagous to a bleeding injury (remember your
> first aid--apply direct pressure).  of course, this could just be because
> i'm so close to taking my rn boards.  but i think this is the same
> interpretation as dan's, more or less.


my first thought when i heard this line was that it was a reference to
the doubting thomas thing with christ and him asking thomas to put his
fingers in the open holes in christ's hands and feet.

just a thought,
scott

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well, this being a member of the insatiable cult following is turning
into a fun new hobby...

for l.a./south bay area people - the borders in torrance has the promo
videos, with purchase of the cd.  they only had the digipak, and no
cassettes, but at least they finally got them out on the shelf (they
didn't have them yesterday at noon).

then, there is a little unmarked record store that used to be moby disc
which has the calendars.  the guy gave me one without buying the ig cd
(but i was buying something else).  it's in a mall on hawthorne blvd. in
torrance.  well, really, if you want to go, e-mail me and i'll try to be
more helpful.

i'm still looking for autographed inserts, posters and of course, a
licensed psychotherapist.

enjoying the thrill of the chase,
alison

a dog, a plan, a canal -  pagoda!                alisont@netcom.com

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subject:      sots, chiapas bound lyrics?

well, here i was sitting home yesterday reading all the posts about the
wonderful album, knowing that i wouldn't be able to get it and feeling very
sad...
as an unemployed single mom, i just didn't have the money...
so what happened?  well my boyfriend came home from work with a surprise for
me!
yaaaay!  one of his moments of brilliance!  so i wait for the kids to go to
bed and run a bubble bath and risk electrocuting myself by bringing in my cd
walkman and listening to my headphones...
what a beautiful experience...i was lost from the world, lost in the songs...
i love them all!  the whole album is brilliant...
some of the songs seem almost haunted to me.  favorites are soy (of course),
gotm, dgtgag and leeds..
did anyone else notice the similarity in the first line of everything in its
own time:
"remember everything i told you.  keep it in your heart like a stone"
and the lines of dead man's hill "don't you write it down, remember this in
your head..."?
let's see what else...oh my dad wants me to e-mail him the lyrics to chiapas
bound.  he just went on a trip down there over thanksgiving and is familiar
with all the political stuff going on down there.  so if anyone knows where i
can find them i would appreciate it greatly!
its kind of cool when you and your dad can enjoy the same music!  he loves
the tape of 1200 curfews i made for him! :)
well i guess thats it, thanks for letting me ramble!

kerramia  =)
(kerry)

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hey!

does anybody have the address to subscribe to the ellen degeneres mailing
list?

e mail me privately!

thanks-

karrie

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subject:      first impressions

i will probably get blasted for some of this, but here goes...

i have trouble automatically loving any ig albums. there is too much in any
given song to decide immediately what i like and what i don't, but in the
first day of listening, some things jump up and some recede.

gotm and soy are very radio ready, very catchy, and just fun to sing to
loudly.  i hope, for my selfish sake, that these two songs don't actually
make ig a mainstream band. i don't want to have to fight with people who only
know this album (and think it's their first release) for good seats to shows.

the rest of the cd has moments of brilliance already- i like dgtgag, i think
that shed your skin will eventually grow on me, and eiiot and hkf are great.
caramia and scooter boys will take forever for me to like- i might not ever-
but i can still listen to them both. it's alright is fun and very friendly-
and the lyrics are just awesome!  the only song on this really solid album
that i can't handle is cut it out.

i love amy. if i had to choose one of them to identify with and admire one of
these amnazing women more than the other, it would be amy. i just can't stand
this song. too loud, too angst-filled and really grating. oh well.  i know
i'm missing a few, but i don't have the cd handy and i'm just going off the
top of my head.  any thoughts?  feel free to share...

-dani

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>
> responses are running 7 to 1 in agreement with chrysler for not
> sponsoring the ellen show today. please call and pass the word!!  the
> number is 1-800-992-1997...it's all automated, so you don't have to
> say anything, just push buttons....when the recording says "or wait
> for a customer service rep" there will be a pause and it will say
> "press 1" if you want customer relations issues....that's the one you
> want---then she'll say press 2 for the april 30th episode of ellen....
> .press 2 for disagreement with chrysler!!!  i am sure that the
> falwell camp has recruited their following to call repeatedly thus
> turning this into a lob sided, untrue vote of the people.....let's
> fight back.....call now...
>
> thanks,
> cathy
>

hmmmmmm, must be too late now...

i tried calling, got a recorded announcement and was disconnected.  it
never got to anything about "public relations issues" in the recording.

:<

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whenever i listen to an album for the first time i always have my songs
that just  hit me as awesome.  so: fugitive and mystery  1200:down by
the river and tangled up in blue

and for sots:

shed your skin  (i see definite traces of ani in there)
    sweet baby jesus that song rocks!
caramia         (it surprised me to see so many negative posts about
it, although i have to say it might have been a bit heavily produced,
but i guess i was spoiled from having it on boots where it was still
known as pray my way through or around it)

    leah (just home from soccer where we got hit by a monsoon,  its so
much fun to be in an open field with lightning in the background.
aparently its monsoon season for the chicagoland area, let it pour, let
it pour, let it pour!)

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i figuured as much.  ~300 messages in my box. i really don't have time to
read them right now though i'd like to.  but i'm gonna go ahead and jot
down my thoughts on the new album anyway, though they're bound to be
redundant.  apologies for the selfishness - i'm not reading everyone
elses's thoughts right now but here, read mine.  oh well.

so i picked it up at 9am yesterday as soon as the store opened. i was
just a little peeved they didn't do a midnight opening like they often do
for major releases.  (are ig not big enough for that?)

anyway, first off, i haven't stopped listening to it since 9am yesterday
save the time i spent sleeping and in class.  it rocks, it rocks, it rocks!!!

i listened to it once through on my diskman before i convinced the folks
at the coffee shop i hang out at to put it on.  but it was 10am so
they wouldn't play it loudly.  and i've decided that the only way to
listen to this album properly is very loudly with lots of bass.  in the
little bit of message scanning i did, someone advised y'all to listen
with headphones to catch the little stuff.  i second that motion.

so here are some thoughts i jotted down while i was listening to it the
first couple of times yesterday morning and a few added now.

sara lee is rockin up a storm.
mr. andy stochanski rocks (i also just picked up the new ani double
live cd) and no offense but i'd trade jerry for andy any day.

shame on you (i hadn' heard the studio cut until now) is rockin in a big
way.  there's nothing i don't like about it.  for much of yesterday i
played it and sys repeatedly and just danced in the sun.  it was wonderful.

shed your skin - oh my dear lord.  i have never heard anything like it.  i
made people listen to it all day.  one friend of mine who isn't even an ig
freak said, "you know a song is good when it gives you chills." one
question: who's chris verene?  it strikes me as funny that andy didn't
play on this tune.  i mean if he was playing on the album anyway, this
seems like the song he should have been on. it feels sorta like parts of
ani's dilate album to me.  gotta dance, and i don't even dance.

caramia is amazing. i knew it in concert and it holds true now.
leeds is amazing as well.  i've gotta say, it sure as heck looks like em
is in top form.

dgtgag - doesn't quite capture the intensity that it has live and i don't
know how much i like the bridge.  scratch that - i like it the first
time, i don't like it at the end.  which brings me to another point,
there are a couple of tracks that don't seem to end all that well.
leeds is a bit abrupt, scooter boys feels too short, like they should
have jammed on it longer.   but back to dgtgag, still an incredible
song.  i like the descending triplet guitar line a lot.  i don't know if
that's how they were doing it live. if they were, it wasn't so pronounced
or i just didn't notice but i like it.

leeds - wow.  what a difference a real piano makes.  i don't know what
that thing at hofstra was.  ulali is also wonderful here.

scooter boys - like i said, it feels too short.  they should have just
rocked on it for another minute.  mm here is perfect.  i'm dying to see
this live with a band.

everything in its own time - this song is so good it hurts.  did i say
something about em being in top form? i'm saying it again.  the line,
"as things around begin to shift"  it's got this sound to it, that makes
me say, yes, exactly.  they nailed this song.  you know how sometimes a
song can be great but you can think of something you'd like to have seen
done better, something that doesn't measure up to the rest of the tune.
this is not one of those.

cut it out - i liked amy's high pitched "cut it out's in
concert.  i'm sorry they're not here.  like dgtgag, i feel like it
doesn't quite have the same intensity as it does live but it still rocks.

burn all the letters - this is the only song on here i'm not especially
impressed with.  it'll probably grow on me.  or i'll rediscover it 2
years from now and love it all of the sudden.  that happens sometimes.
one thing i can say about it - ulali is one funky group!  i like them
throughout the album but this is the best.

hey kind friend -  it's quicker than it was live. i like it.  turn it
up loud.  is that the sound of velcro i'm hearing?  or a needle on a
record?  it's a repeated sound on the first verse between the wood block
reps.  ooh sara - nice whistle.  could do without the coronet.  what's
the spoken line there?  "it's so hard when.."  what's he saying?


oh, a few photo comments.  imho, emily looks better in these shots then i
have ever seen her.  and ya know, i never saw anything in the amy/melissa
etheridge comparisons, but take a good look at the shot beneath the
plastic (the inside of the back cover) and i can see how you might say it.

i'm sure i could say more about this album but i've gotta get outside.
it's a beautiful day.  i'm really glad this album came out this week.  i
just a had a couple of incredibly shitty days and this helped.

ooh wait, one more thought before i go.  thisd album feels really good to
me in a way that may be tough to explain.  i know some people have been
discussing the various sexual innuendos and gay references and i've only
had time to scan them so i probably shouldn't be adding my thoughts until
after i do that but i will anyway cause that's just the sort of mood i'm in.
this is not even the sort of thing i'm at all interested in discussing
here but like i said, it's the sort of mood i'm in.

ok, with the exception of the hate me cause i'm gay line in it's alright,
the lyrics are not gay specific.  they're just real.  and that's part of
why this album feels so good.  they're not in your face but they're not
masking anything either.  not that ig have ever specifically hidden
anything in the past but they finally said fuck the gender neutral
pronouns.  you, you, you.  finally, it can be she, she, she.  it's doesn't
have to be a politcal statement, it doesn't have to be a big deal.  it's
very matter-of-fact which is the way it should be.  you know, like being
gay is a completely normal part of life and it is not in any way
inappropriate to include in the lyric of a popular song.  (i guess i'm
thinking mostly about dgtgag at this moment.) if a song is about your life
and the people in it you shouldn't have to restrict yourself in the ways
you refer to those people.  if i'm gonna write a song, it's probably not
gonna be about being gay cause i don't really have anything to say about
that.  but it's quite likely to refer to same sex romantic interests
simply because if i'm gonna write about my life honestly, that's what'll
come out.  that's just how it is, it doesn't need to be a god damn
issue!!!  and that's how i feel about dgtgag and kind of even about it's
alright since that's done pretty casually as well. so the sound of the
album aside, that's part of what i mean when i say this album feels 100%
right.

and i didn't say that as eloquently or as deeply as i feel it but i
don't have the time to say it any better so if anyone else would like to,
go ahead.


ok, i'm heading for the remaining sunlight.  happy listening everyone.


           -colleen

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i know rosie o'donnell is a busy woman, but i can't help hoping that she'll
at least glance at the sots lyric booklet before friday's interview and see
the harriet the spy line in caramia. :)

tamara :)
tmg123@psu.edu

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i forgot one more thing......

does anyone have
1) the email address, snail address, or 1-800 number for wendy's?  i feel the
urge to bitch.....
2) and the address/list of all company's and what they do or do not support?

i deleted all my mail by accident....

please privately mail me!  any info is appreciated....

thanks!
karrie


ps.  only 5 more hours til amy and emily grace the screen on letterman (give or
take time due to other guests!!!)

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"the advocate" - 5/13/97

(reprinted without permission)

"mood indigo" - barry walters
(barry walters is a pop-music critic for 'the advocate')

        while trend followers possess the instant accessibility that
enables them to blast onto the charts like fireworks and disappear just
as quickly, pop anomalies such as indigo girls tend to be the acts with
staying power. although they haven't scored a radio or video hit since
their 1989 major-label debut. amy ray and emily saliers sell records
without much main-stream media support, while their concerts continue to
prove why the georgia-based duo matters: in an age when studio-based acts
regularly flop in the flesh, indigo girls improve upon their recorded
output with a charismatic bond to their audience that no amount of hype
can buy.
        since releasing the live double-cd career summation '1200
curfews' two years ago, the pair have cut down on touring, preferring to
plot their next move (and, in ray's case, oversee her daemon record
label). the time off has paid off with the first studio album to capture
both the duo's intensity and its subtleties since the 1989 milestone.
while boasting more thoughtful and creative arrangements than its
predecesors, 'shaming of the sun' also sounds more spontaneous, thanks to
- not in spite of - its refinements.
        although ray's rock leanings have pumped up the volume in the
past, the results have often been strained, contrived. here the feistier
tracks seem as effortless as the harmonies that propel the quiet moments.
the rock in their folk is finally as accomplished as the folk in their rock.
        the evidence is in the recklessness of 'scooter boys,' which
rocks out like a tune by midnight oil, or in the beatles-like
sophistication of 'caramia' or in the agonized dynamics of 'cut it out,'
which would sound at home on a bob mould album. even a lighter tune such
as 'burn all the letters' has a lot going on - african-influenced
background vocals, complex rhythms, tricky guitar parts. maybe singing
the parts of jesus and mary magdalene on the wacky 'jesus christ
superstar: a resurrection' tribute album taught indigo girls a thing or
two about divine ambition.
        although their sometimes convoluted lyrics have put a stumbling
block in the way of connecting with larger audiences, ray and saliers
have grown more direct about matters of the heart. they've come out in
interviews and have hinted at their sexual orientation in previous
lyrics, but here they really do the right thing. 'it's alright if you
hate that way / hate me cause i'm different, hate me cause i'm gay /
truth of the matter come around one day,' they sing on 'it's alright,'
then address women they've loved in 'caramia' and 'don't give that girl a
gun' with a passion as unmistakable as their feminine nouns. more-radical
rock lesbians have appeared in their wake, but indigo girls possesses an
old-school integrity that still has relevance - particulary when it's
matched with music as close to fine as this is.

(sidebar article)

"in profile: indigo girls" by michelle kort

        it wasn't just indigo girls' own reluctance that kept them in the
closet longer than their lesbian fans might have wished. amy ray - the
dark-haired, deep-voiced harder rockin' one - remembers being asked by a
reporter back in 1990 or 1991 if she was gay and answering yes. "then,"
she says, "he didn't use it."
        since they formally came out in the national print three years
ago, the topic of homosexuality now seems no big deal to ray or singing
partner emily saliers - the blond-haired higher-voiced, folkier one. on
their new album 'shaming of the sun,' the georgia natives no longer avoid
pronouns or resort to subtexts. in 'don't give that girl a gun,' for
example, ray pines, 'when i say i love you she don't hear me anymore.'
        but saliers, 32, admits she wasn't always so relaxed about being
out. "part of it was that i didn't want the stigma of being a 'gay'
musician before we were taken seriously as musicians. part of it was
fear, too. then there just came point where it was like 'what's the big
deal? i've been out in my private life forever.' but until you get to
that point, nobody can push you there. and it takes some people longer
than others."
        being out has added one more plank to the platinum-selling,
grammy-winning duo's activist platform, which already includes
environmental causes, indigenous people's rights, and handgun control.
their new songs are "more outspokenly political in every way," says ray,
33, whose two older sisters are also lesbians. "i feel louder about
everything now. it's more than a coming-out experience for me. i never
want to be quiet again - or subtle."
        the girls met in their high school choir and have sung together
ever since. by college days (both finished at atlanta's emory university)
they'd "come into our own beings," as ray puts it. in other words, they'd
discovered atlanta's gay bars. "the political aspect came later," she
adds, laughing.
        ray's just recovering from the painful dissolution of an
eight-year relationship, while saliers is happily ensconced in a "great"
2-1/2 year relationship. the two have never been lovers, but they
maintain a remarkable friendship.
        "we have a good balance," says saliers, whose lyrics tend to be
wordier than ray's more clipped compositions. (they never write
together.) "our personalities are different, but it works. we believe in
a lot of the same things - the important things - so that's the glue."


http://www.advocate.com

nancy humphries
nancy@rbdc.rbdc.com

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subject:      nigc strange chain

this is about the least intrusive, best intentioned chain i have ever
gotten. so here it is:

have fun with it!! and, at the very least, have a good day!!
------------------------------------------------------------------------
>------------
>life
>
>life isn't about keeping score.
>it's not about how many friends you have
>or how accepted you are.
>not about if you have plans this weekend or if you're alone.
>it isn't about who you're dating, who you used to date, how many people
>you've dated, or if you haven't been with anyone at all.
>it isn't about who you have kissed.
>it's not about sex.
>it isn't about who your family is or how much money they have
>or what kind of car you drive.
>or where you are sent to school.
>it's not about how beautiful or ugly you are.
>or what clothes you wear, what shoes you have on, or what kind of music
you
>listen to.
>it's not about if your hair is blonde, red, black, or brown
>or if your skin is too light or too dark.
>not about what grades you get, how smart you are, how smart everybody
else
>thinks you are, or how smart standardized tests say you are.
>it's not about what clubs you're in or how good you are at "your" sport.
>it's not about representing your whole being on a piece of paper and
seeing
>who will "accept the written you."
>
>life just isn't.
>
>but, life is about who you love and who you hurt.
>about starting rumors and contributing to petty gossip.
>it's about carrying inner hate and love, letting it grow, and spreading
it.
>but most of all, it's about using your life to touch or poison other
people's
>hearts in such a way that could have never occurred alone.
>only you choose the way those hearts are affected, and those choices are
what
>life's all about.
>_____________________
>send to....
>1-5 people:  you will have 1 good day.
>6-10 people:  you will have a good week, and the person you like will
ask
you
>out.
>11-15 people:  you will have a good month, and a great surprise every
day.
>16 & up:  you will have a successful life and all of your dreams will
come
>true!
>
>send this to everyone you know!!


hmmm, well i have sent it to 800 so what will i get now?  most likely a
few flames.  anyway, soy requires my full attention now.

jeremy

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subject:      scooter boys and midnight oil

hiya.  anyone know if the girls are fans of midnight oil, who besides being a
great band, have championed the rights of indigenous peoples since the mid
seventies?  just wondered--the politics seem to fit.  but the thing that made
me wonder was that amy's voice in _scooter boys_ sounds just like midnight
oil's lead singer; the taut, atonal quality--anyone else hear it?

                         chris

ps- _let it be_ is definitely lurking behind _leeds_.  what budding piano
  player *hasn't* messed around with that song?  :)

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it *feels* like a true story, em meets this person who is an enigma that is
too difficult to understand, is upset by her or something, almost like
meeting the girl with the weight of the world in her hands. but instead of
writing a perfectly rhyming, wonderful tune, she goes for a stream of
conscienceness, and recounts a dream about stagefright....
..which also leads me  to point 2 - it obvisiously seems like the sequel in
my mind - to vw. the times have changed - the song is about her relations
with fans, people, lovers...and how they they affect her rather than hgow
she sees them...

just my .02,
mike r.
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  i agree, they have a great sound but inapproriate for the songs they
are in. i mean they really did bring down "leeds". if i had a machine to
cut them out of the album i'd use it. well, at least their better then
the roches.
ben

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subject:      ulali--the debate rages on! :)

hey.  my opinion on ulali-->

   1)i get the idea that they are much more effective in concert.

                     <<but>>

   2)what bugs me is that, for an indigenous group, they often sound like
        studio backup singers.  i can't remember right now, but there's one
        song where they just go "ooh...ooh" through the whole thing, and it's
        pretty cheesy, *because* it sounds like *any* people doing it.  this
        probably shows my ignorance, but i like it much better in _burn all
        the letters_, even though it's sorta out of place, because it *sounds*
        different from church choirs.

   3)while i'm being honest, i had probably expected something along the order
        of the backup singers in paul simon's _graceland_ and _rhythm of the
        saints_, which greatly improve those albums.  i just wish that, with
        so many elements in these songs, they'd been more careful to twiddle
        the knobs so that they were more prominent.  no matter how complicated
        hamonies are, they're not foregrounded.

   4) i do think that the drumming in this is different, and very native
        influenced.  i mean, _burn all the letters_ (which is a great song)
        is like all of the old emily songs i love, but the drums give it a
        really fresh texture.... whadda you think?

         thanx again for humoring my ramblings... chris

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hello, all you happy, happy ig fans.  i have a request:  an all-out
analysis of caramia.

it's ironic, don't you think, that i'm calling for such a discussion when i
can't actually start it out very well (i'm late for a dinner date).  but i
will reiterate the points made thus far:

(made by various people...i don't necessarily endorse any of these)

1.  it's overproduced
2.  it's enigmatic
3.  it's a "gotta get used to it" song
4.  what the hell does it mean?
5.  the line about the twist of the sheets is sexual
6.  it can sound a lot like mystery

this is a song which i think i could love...i just have to work out in my
mind what it means to me.  any and all opinions would be appreciated...has
anyone listened to it enough to have some ideas?

(and don't say it's about a fucked-up relationship...that's too easy :-) )

happy listening,
justin

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hey all!

we all have our own opinions, don't we? but, for goodness sake, how can you say that ulali can't sing? oh my god! what is wrong with your ears? maybe they are unaccustomed to hearing anything but the so-called "mainstream western music" we are all force-fed in this country.

in case you didn't know it, there's a whole world out there full of different kinds of music and art, not to mention the beautiful variety to be found right here in north america. i don't want to get into a flame war over this, but i take offense when i hear people impugning the artistic ability of someone. say you don't care for them, if you must, but have no doubt - ulali are three extremely gifted vocalists.

btw, my girlfriend asked a question at the live x last sunday night which may both thrill and annoy. she asked if ulali would be playing on any upcoming ig dates. amy said they would be joining them for three weeks or so starting in richmond. unfortunately for us, they won't be at chastain. :-(

and do check out their cd, mahk jchi. it is amazing. the lyrics are powerful. i mean the ones in english. unfortunately, i have not obtained translations of the other songs yet. you can also hear them on honor1, the hte cd. they do a powerful piece called "all my relations". it is very moving.

as an aside, you know how you can put .wav files of your choosing in for certain functions on your pc? well, we have emily saying "u-la-li" for our minimize function. it's from some hte promo thingie off the net.

peace and pentatonic scales,

susan
:-)

"i believe in you. do you believe in me?" - from "friend in need" by ulali.

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>whenever i listen to an album for the first time i always have my songs
>that just  hit me as awesome.

same here! mine were:

1200: land of canaan...emily rips out that solo like there's no tomorrow.

sots:  caramia and dgtgag. caramia...emily writes so deep into the soul,
what's not to like? the string section made my blood rush.  dgtgag: amy
lets us into her heart for 2 minutes. i love the passionate pain we all
know too well...

-liz-

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well i finally got around to getting my copy of sots today..(i know, i
know...but i have been *buried* under papers and finals) and i must
say it is excellent. it always takes me a while to "get used to" a new
album but i do like it a lot...it has more....whats the word...depth
to it than some of the other albums. i think this new depth in the
music (their words were always deep,imho) comes from the heavy
instrumentation we have all been buzzing about. in a way i miss the
rawness and simple beauty of amy and emily and their acoustic
guitars..i don't know, there was a certain ruggedness i always liked
about that. but all in all i love sots, i can't wait to see them on
letterman tonight, rosie next week, and in kettering in june!

kel
--
what you are achieving is not as important as what you are becoming.
the opposite of lonliness is not togetherness, it is intimacy. (r.bach)
if you don't make dust, you eat it.
when you learn to love yourself, you will dissolve all the stones that are
cast... (indigo girls)

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subject:      video offer, sots ramblings

hey!

i bought a copy of sots on tape yesterday, and got two copies of the promo
video.  (there isn't too much demand for ig where i am!)  i will give one away
to the first person who e-mails me.  hell, i'll even pay for postage!

some sots ramblings:

okay, i know i'm stepping out an oa limb, but someone else (no clue who) said
what i am feeling.  when i first heard soy on the 800 number-thingy, i was
shocked and a bit disappointed.  it sounded *way* overproduced.  but i have to
admit now that i have listened to the tape a few times that it just took a
little time to get over.  i'm not used to hearing that kind of sound from the
girls.  sys is definitely one of my favorite tracks now, and i found myself
humming scoter boys while i was in my environmental policy class.  :)

thanx for listening.

kelly
kfairbairn@stonehill.edu

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subject:      ig promo video

if anyone is interested in a copy of the ig promo video, i have a
friend in the video production business that has offered to make free
copies for me....so e-mail me privately if you would like one....you
will of course have to send a blank vcr tape and return postage.......
...

forever indigo
cathy


".......dont drink the water there seems to be something ailing
everyone......"    e. saliers

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subject:      autographed liner notes

ok.ok...this is absolutely my last post today!!!  (maybe...i am too
excited about sofs to do anything non-indigo).....
can someone tell me at what stores they got the autographed liner
notes???  or the calander??

thanks..
forever indigo,
cathy

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just played get out the map for my friend dan and his response was too
classic not to share:


"i want to be a lesbian.  you get the indigo girls and we get the village
people.  it's not fair."   -- dan weiner


forty-five minutes and counting until ellen's on.  i caught her on oprah
this afternoon and i was quite impressed.  and her girlfriend totally
rocks!  wish more people would think like she does...this world would be
a pretty amazing place.  (not that parts of it aren't already pretty
friggin amazing...)

later y'all,
audrey

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i keep getting these little references to very eastern-feeling philosophy
in "everything in its own time" -- does anyone else get this?  or know if
emily started reading some?  it might just be me, 'cause it feels like i
find it in just about anything these days...

getting chills just *thinking* of that song,

deb the indigeek

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subject:      say a song! =) (ig)

hey, ya'll..

   in my 11th grade drama class, our assignment for the next few weeks is to
take a song, and perform a monologue with the words.  the tricky part is not
to sing it!  i was thinking along the lines of ig or perhaps melissa
etheridge---perferrably something with meaningful lyrics!  i knew ya'll would
know best!....any ideas?  i was thinking maybe..."joking", ig  or "blood and
fire", ig...or "shriner's park", m.e.....suggestions?  please!

thanks, ya'll are terrific!

love,
katie

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on wed, 30 apr 1997 15:11:37 -0500 alycia <anb038@nwu.edu> writes:
>i am listening to living in clip.  on the very last song, overlap, ani
>begins playing the song, someone shouts something and then ani starts
>laughing.
>anyone know what was shouted?
>alycia
>
i belive the guy who yells something says in a really slurry voice,
"that's nice, baby!" i listened to it about 10 times trying to catch
that, but i think it's right. :)

~andy

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>*i want to know where the photos were shot.  does anyone know? was it
>during the demo tour? cuz the terrain really looks southwestern, and
>i'm
>thinking that they wouldn't have been anywhere near there while
>recording
>in atlanta (& the 2 other locales...athens and ny??can't remember)

i thought too that it looked like the sw! it looks absolutely identical
to borrego desert down here in southern ca, either that or some arid part
of arizona. i would be interested as well in if anyone knows anything
about the photo shoot. (maybe somewhere in the reservations they like to
visit???)

~andy

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i've been thinking that their sound seems
>more
>mainstream than ever to me.  then i see their album cover, and their
>usual
>artwork & hand-written lyrics are totally missing.  any thoughts?  are
>they
>going for a more mature or wider audience now, or did they just not
>have as
>much time to prepare the cd this time (spent more time on music)?
>
>enjoy the music today,
>jessica
>i noticed as well that it's not quite as personal- no personal thanks or
anything like that, but the album is so good, i think i can look past
that :).

~andy

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date:         wed, 30 apr 1997 15:02:32 -0700
reply-to:     "andy s. boettcher" <xena44@juno.com>
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from:         "andy s. boettcher" <xena44@juno.com>
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i think ben and jerry's in not really a neccessity, but whatever butters
your muffin :)
i, however would settle for any brand ice cream as long as i have access
to mint chocolate. well, having said that, here's my list of ood i would
bring:

1. mint chocolate chip ice cream
2. zuchini pizza (sounds nasty, i know, but besides ice cream, it's the
best thing in the entire world :))
3. hershey's kisses
4. irish cream coffee
5. mock-chicken stir-fry ( for us veggies)

~andy

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date:         wed, 30 apr 1997 16:01:12 -0700
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subject:      re: sots/target promo/ mm-"fires over atlanta"
x-to:         david.sue@students.miami.edu

>   also i picked up the target limited edition starter kit that's put
>out by
>sony it has 7 songs on it including....galileo, least complicated,
>ghost,
>three hits, kid fears, closer to fine, and one more...i can't
>remember...but
>it's 5.99 at your local target store, also check out the poster for it
>hanging in the store...neato!
>happy day


i got the starter kit too, and i also saw the poster hanging above the
rack, and i asked about it and if it would be possible for me to leave my
name to get it once it's time to take it down. they guy behind tha
counter said they have to either send them back to the company or destroy
them. ok, what? why? why not just give it to me and keep from having to
destroy such a cool poster or go through the hassle of sending it back.
anyone have any idea why they do this?

~andy

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hi kind friends,


we had such a blast last night!
we listened to sots several times and got rad rad party favors (thx
qweeen!!!!) and had rad rad live music (with excellent help from tom and
derek) and everyone rocked out and we got a new listee (welcome
victoria!@!!!)

we shall keep folks posted when we decide to do it again.

i can't stop listening to caramia,


-larissa

who, shockingly, has no ellen party to go to. :(

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date:         thu, 1 may 1997 11:21:06 +1000
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hey everyone,

i'm looking for folks in the greater sydney (australia,
that is, and "greater sydney" means anywhere within
a few hours driving radius) area - let's have a
listgather!

greg thorpe was planning to organise one but he's too
busy so i'm taking over (hope you don't mind, greg).
so far we have me, andrew r., madeline, greg and
penelope - are you all still interested?  and if there's
any other lurkers out there, drop me a note and we'll
arrange getting together.  don't be shy, we're all very
nice people. :)  i was thinking lunch or dinner,
someplace in penrith or so, sometime in the next uni
break - or if anyone has any better ideas, let me know
and we'll talk.

happy happy,
sherlyn

ps - greg - will mail you soon...
=-=-=-=-=-=-=- sherlyn koo - sherlyn@fl.net.au -=-=-=-=-=-=-=
"let the door swing open, let your actions speak;
  let your heart beat crazy, let your knees get weak..."
                              - carrie newcomer

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date:         wed, 30 apr 1997 19:22:35 -0600
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subject:      re: scooter boys and midnight oil
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yes!  everyone kept saying that amy was sounding like ani, but that just
didn't seem to describe it for me.  i kept thinking of the way she sings
the words, "zapata reading poetry in his grave," and i knew there was a
different singer i was thinking of.  i knew it when i saw it in the
advocate review posted earlier and now reaffirmed by chris.  totally.

on wed, 30 apr 1997, chris mccormick wrote:

> hiya.  anyone know if the girls are fans of midnight oil, who besides being a
>  great band, have championed the rights of indigenous peoples since the mid
>  seventies?  just wondered--the politics seem to fit.  but the thing that made
>  me wonder was that amy's voice in _scooter boys_ sounds just like midnight
>  oil's lead singer; the taut, atonal quality--anyone else hear it?
>
>                          chris
>
> ps- _let it be_ is definitely lurking behind _leeds_.  what budding piano
>   player *hasn't* messed around with that song?  :)
>

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chris mccormick wrote:
>
> hiya.  anyone know if the girls are fans of midnight oil, who besides being a
>  great band, have championed the rights of indigenous peoples since the mid
>  seventies?  just wondered--the politics seem to fit.  but the thing that made
>  me wonder was that amy's voice in _scooter boys_ sounds just like midnight
>  oil's lead singer; the taut, atonal quality--anyone else hear it?
>
>                          chris

i don't know if ig are midnight oil fans, but i definitely heard what
you're talking about... when i heard scooter boys for the first time i
was in another room, and i had to come into the room where the stereo
was to check 'cause i thought amy *was* the singer from midnight oil!

take it easy
carrie
(who is learning to love the new album)

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subject:      (nigc) pride for me!

i am so frikkin' proud of being a lesbian right this very second.

thought i would share that with y'all. surrounded by the hype, the taunts,
the opinions...it all comes down to what i feel. and right now, i'm proud.
so proud!

wooohoo!!

lesbians rawk!

-liz- =  )

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subject:      free ig promo video

finally !!!   after 4 trips to borders books, i finally got a hold of
that promo video.....i showed up at borders yesterday at 9:00 am
sharp, but alas, they did not have the new cd, or video...told me to
come back later..come back later????  couldnt they see i was a
deperate fan?????....so i bought the cd somewhere else...but i went
back to borders 2 more times that day, and each time they looked at
me like i was crazy...today i walk in and there it is!! the elusive
video i have been hearing about on this list...the girl at the desk
said i had to buy the cd to get it, and i was all ready to buy
another copy just to get the video, when she says "go ahead, take one
since you already have the cd!"....too cool....she was so cool, in
fact, that she is going to hold the ig display for me....2 posters,
display cards, the works!!  this must be my lucky day.....!!
just had to tell someone!! this day is just too good:  ig video,
ellen, ig on letterman.....what next??
p.s.  the 10 minute video is great!!

forever indigo,
cathy

i can't wait for letterman!!!!!!

...."for everything i learn there are two i don't understand...."   e.
saliers

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subject:      if i could be an record ...it would be this!!!!
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   hi everybody...
    out of lurkdom to comment on sots.after a giddy trip to tower.(..where i
was too excited to remember to look for promo items)i hustled out to my car
and immediately plugged in this long anticipated jewel.my oh my!!!!! i had
seen the promo tour..followed the boot scene,seen printed lyrics,etc. but
absolutely nothing prepared me for this incredible work.now,i've always loved
ig but this is the music that will absolutely put them "on the map".my
favorite so far..burn all the letters..just sitting with this song and
feeling it gives me a shiver through my body.but as i type that i realize the
madness of trying to decide.sots is such a personal work that it is bright
and almost too painful in places to hear.we are the fortunate ones to be able
to support such art in our lifetimes.                laurabell

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subject:      leeds

hi


i was woondering if there was anyone out there so kind as to have th chords
for this song....i'm performing in a show tomorrow and i have tentative ones
that can be used but there is this one chord that i really can't get that's
bugging me...it's right when the back up singers come in...i'd appreciate any
help thanks....


ilana

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subject:      video offer

thanks to all of you who responded to my offer.  i have already gotten someone.

happy day after sots day!

kelly
kfairbairn@stonehill.edu

"heterosexuals like ice."
--ellen degeneres

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on wed, 30 apr 1997 verdi@imap2.asu.edu wrote:

>   i agree, they have a great sound but inapproriate for the songs they
> are in. i mean they really did bring down "leeds". if i had a machine to
> cut them out of the album i'd use it. well, at least their better then
> the roches.
>
wow... i really like them in leeds. that's wild... i think their stragely
harmonius, plaintive wailing is excellent in that song, more so than some
others.

different strokes...

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subject:      ellen - the coming out show.

i just finished watching ellen.  i thought the show was good but the
commercials shocked me.  i also watched prime time now
i thought that
     1. it was wrong perhpas to have that hiv test commercial - was that
supposing
         something?
     2. some of the jokes the red haired woman - audrey? said were
inappropriate.?
          like the one:what do "you people" drink?
and the hiv commercial was freaky.  was that suggesting stereotypes?  like
only gay people have hiv - not>
one thing i will say - it's kind of strange how she went from in the closet
to so open now. like if you saw prime time now -  she now has all these
thoughts about marriage etc.
and what do people think about the last comment on prime time - about how
such a large %age of teeneages are prone to suicide if they are gay?  that
one hope of the show was to help and reach out to them?
one more thing, one of my friends mentioned to me now, that he was inspired
to come out to some of my other friends.  in a radio show yesterday morning,
parents were concerned that the show would encourage kids to "become" gay.
people called in and said that it didn't work that way.  duh!  but i would
love to take a poll and see how many people come out to their friends and
family in the next few days.

thats about it.
i'm sure there will be lots of comments on the show.
-smilee

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i just have to say, first, that everytime i read sots i think it stands
for "song of the south"...and then i start singing alabama (sweet potato
pie and i shut my mouth...)

next, my observation over the past 24+ hours of reviews:
i think it is an excellent sign that people are not 100% across the board
in love with this album.  the things i am hearing reinforce my belief that
they really have taken their music a step further.  the layers are much
less obvious in the songs here, which gives us all the perfect indigo
experience: songs we listen to and think, "wow this is great, it's so
happy, it's so rockin'" and then a month later you realize all the other
stuff under there.  like lifting an old log and finding all those sowbugs
and earthworms and other creepers that were living there all along.

it also tells me that once again, the latest ig album will not catapult
them into super-rockdom.  really, if the ig fans are this divided about
whether the songs or good (or the *album* as a whole), this is not going
to break the charts.  there will be some good singles, and probably more
people will start coming to the shows, but this will not make them pearl
jam.  (in fact, pearl jam didn't really stay mega-popular after their
music started showing signs of growth and new direction...)

i think it's a little early for most of us to be deciding whether we like
thesongs or album.  or, more bluntly, if you've already decided you
don't like the materiel, you are potentially missing out on an epic
musical experience.  (little 'e', mind you)

i'm finding more and more little gems.  for example:  sara's bass work is
really solid and i think makes the rhythm of the album.  jerry and andy's
drumwork is great, but i think sara's groove really ties the album
together.  she's so fucking great.  and i am adamantly pro-ulali (for the
record, i'm also adamantly pro-roches), i think their sound makes the
fabric of the songs really unique (and will turn off a lot of people
looking for another galileo).  and i really don't think, for that matter,
that it's alright is such a happy song, as has been implied earlier...

anyway, in the words of some cool ladies: "maybe we are more than who we
think we are." ....maybe there's more to be found that what you're
seeing...

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i don't want what is best for you, where will i be when you've found
it?  i pray a lot about these bad feelings inside but i can't pray my way
through or around it.--emily saliers
*****gwen keyt******
seattle pacific university
bsn class of 1997!!!
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date:         wed, 30 apr 1997 19:22:27 -0700
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subject:      kick-in the -gut songs

the songs that got me right away (oh, which ones- they all did!)


shame on you
get out the map
shed your skin
scooter boys

ok, sorry to pick 1/3 of the album, but these absolutely socked me when i
heard them ( not good for the homework issue :) )

~andy

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i picked up the may 13th advocate today and i swear emily looks like meg
ryan's sister in the picture of her sitting on the chair. (it's the smile
and dimples and eyes.) that's a great photo of both of them, i want it in
poster form. ;) hmm i like the other picture too.

also, ulali is gonna be at the michigan womyn's music festival this august
according to curve. (yeah can you tell i went on my monthly queer magazine
buying spree today.)

ani difranco is featured in an article with a couple new pictures in the
current entertainment weekly (may 2, john lithgow and hologram on the
cover). in the same issue is a nice big print of the infamous ig publicity
shot and a short lame review that isn't even worth typing in (yawn).

y'all really need to convince bonnie to reveal her theory about the origin
of shed your skin.

kristina

"some people look at us as spawn of satan, some people look at us as role
models." -- amy ray

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hey there kittens!

haven't seen anyone else post this from atlanta so . . . on tuesday afternoon, a+e were interviewed on local radio (99x) here in atlanta - it's a half-hour, with cuts played off the album and live interview. we can probably set up a tree for this, but we don't actually have the tape in our hands yet (hi jill!); and if you minkies can be patient, we could back it with the live x broadcast on may 23, then set up a tree, blah blah blah, so that it's a full tape.

but the most important thing is, yes, there is a video for shame on you, yes, it's just about finished, and the open-minded supportive folks at mtv will have it, ready for heavy rotation on prime time, first thing next week, according to russell carter and the girls. however, whether or not it gets played depends on you folks (and us too of course) calling, e-mailing, generally making pests of ourselves to see this video - so get your dialing fingers ready!

does anyone have phone numbers/e-mail addresses, etc. for mtv and/or vh1? post 'em, post 'em!

the girls talked briefly about m2 (the new all video venture of mtv - you remember mtv and videos, don'tcha?) and that's one place that might play it - for those of you that don't have m2, like us, mtv plays an hour of it in the afternoons - check your local listings!

enough for now - back to grooving to that funky beat on shed your skin - yum!!!!!

btw, chris verene is the drummer for rock*a*teens - a daemon band, and also, opening for ig at auburn may 18 - yay! and, he's a brilliant photographer - absolutely awesome - one of our faves :-)

peace,

susan and jocie
(who love that old time snake handling religion!)

"i'm speaking in tongues, handling you!" - ar

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subject:      nigc - tonight's ellen and interview of last week

hi y'all,

i just watched the ellen show.  wow!  they did a great
job with it!  i laughed so much, and i thought a lot more....
i'm so glad it worked out for her, and hope that it continues
to.  it was very professionally done, very human, very real,
thought-provoking, and very funny and cute.  kudos to ellen!

does anyone have a tape of last week's interview with
diane sawyer?  i turned on prime time live last week
thinking i'd see the interview, but they didn't do a preview
of it at the beginning of the show, so i figured they weren't
going to have one.  i missed it.  i'd love a copy of someone's
video.  please e-mail me privately if you can help me out.

lisa
lschreihart@juno.com

p.s.  next taping - tonight's ig appearance on letterman.  can't
wait!  i hope they do more than just one song.  i hope
letterman talks to them a bit.

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     ...go ahead flame away i have my fire proof suit with extra duty fire
     proof underwear on...i'm ready!!! go greg ;) anyway...i wanted to give
     a big ol' public thank you to dee s. for spending an hour and 45
     minutes in her car today, yes folks almost 2 hours for little ol' me
     to get me a video :) thank you thank you thank you dee :):):):):)
     kira

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date:         wed, 30 apr 1997 23:38:45 -0400
reply-to:     indisong@aol.com
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "andrew s. lane" <indisong@aol.com>
subject:      re: sots review
x-to:         nick@tasha.bu.edu

here are my two cents on the album.......

i like the versions off of the hoftstra bootleg more than the studio
versions.....and
i feel some of the songs were not produced as they could have been...

its still great anyway.....

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