lifeblood: listlogs: 1997-05a


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date:         wed, 30 apr 1997 23:59:21 -0400
reply-to:     mmedido@aol.com
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subject:      pandemonium :: amy ray & daemon

hey !
just got the latest cybernote from danielle howle & the tantrums

2 things;

1) danielle wille be with ig on the pay per view .
can i get a wooo hoooo ??

2) followed their link to pandemoniun online and was treated
    to a story on amy ray and daemon records:)

         http://www.seattlesquare.com/pandemonium/

go.
right now !!!!!
:)
claire

http://members.aol.com/mmedido/
"farmer joe, i'm the meanest woman you know."
laura nyro..............................................

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date:         wed, 30 apr 1997 23:06:14 -0700
reply-to:     brett patterson <patterso@nichols.com>
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ahhhhh!
burn all the letters: that is the one i thought had a key change!, sorry
it kinda helps to preread before you jump on the send button!!

sorry!

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date:         wed, 30 apr 1997 22:46:12 pdt
reply-to:     jan hallford <jhllfrd@galstar.com>
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anyone else feel like i do?  either i'm getting really old, or dave's regressing, and becoming more annoying.  = p  now i remember why i don't watch tv much anymore.  after all the stupid stuff he's said (i'm halfway through the show) by this point, i wouldn't blame em and amy if they decided not to play his stupid show, after all.

jennifer w.

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date:         wed, 30 apr 1997 23:01:29 -0700
reply-to:     brett patterson <patterso@nichols.com>
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hey all!!!

well i thought that i would leave yall all my thoughts about the new
album!( i bet you have not heard that line before!!:)
anyway!! lol...she became my friend through.... jk!!
well! about amy's voice... it sounds alittle different from other
recordings i have heard. on soy it is ok, just normal, but on gotm she
is singing baritone/bass, but it sounds cool!!! great range amy!!
shed your skin: her voice is just like it used to be in 1-2-3!!

don't give that girl a gun: you go!!! sing it woman!!:)

scooter boys:... wow! amy sings in her high register!!! that will               have
to grow on me, her voice is just not like it used to be                 but... if you
never branchout then where do you go!:)

oh! cut it out: give me some attitude baby!!

emily!!- you go woman!! caramia!, everything in its own time, leeds!!
        hey kind friend!!: is that a key change!!?? or just my ears     playing
tricks, if it is wow!!, or not wow what a cool  effect!!:)
well, i guess i will quit now, i have said enough, i hope someone reads
my message! if you do please send me a reply to tell me your thoughts
and what you think of my opinions!:)
talk with yall later!
thanks yall!!!          brett:)

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date:         wed, 30 apr 1997 22:55:51 pdt
reply-to:     jan hallford <jhllfrd@galstar.com>
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subject:      re: ellen - the coming out show.
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i think it was handled with a great deal of both humor and dignity...the way i would love for every difficult situation to be handled.  as far as audrey's comments...they were meant to be funny...and don't think that people don't think (and say) things like audrey did.  next week with ellen morgan's parents should be interesting.  i laughed, i was touched, it was great.  my very highest hope is that this will be beneficial to us all.  i don't hold any illusions of a full 180 turn from the radical right...just hope it makes some people think.  okay...i'm rambling now.  take care.

jennifer w.

"you never see a cake that says:  'good for you!! you're gay!!' "
                - - ellen degeneres

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date:         wed, 30 apr 1997 22:58:18 -0400
reply-to:     mmedido@aol.com
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subject:      re: ulali--the debate rages on! :)

in a message dated 97-04-30 21:07:13 edt, it was written:

<<  2)what bugs me is that, for an indigenous group, they often sound like
         studio backup singers.  i can't remember right now, but there's one
         song where they just go "ooh...ooh" through the whole thing, and
it's
         pretty cheesy, *because* it sounds like *any* people doing it. >>

so........they don't sound 'indigenous' enough ?

i know the above observation wasn't meant in a  bad way.
i just have to add that i've heard criticism from the native
community about what 'non-indians'  think indigenous peoples
should sound like act like be like look like .....
"real life indians" don't fit into our preconceptions.
and suprise, suprise...ulali doesn't either :)

to meee, ulali adds so much to this album ... one of the things i really
love is that the backing vocals aren't pushed into the background, they
leap and weave around the melody like .... something really poetic that
has birds in it.......
i have a visual picture but i can't put it into words...i see birds swirling
around a melody is spiraling to the heavens .....anyone else 'see'
songs like that ?

ta !
claire

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date:         wed, 30 apr 1997 23:35:38 -0500
reply-to:     jen hall <jchall@earthlink.net>
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subject:      ig on letterman!
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oh!!  oh!! they were just one!!!  god they were great!!!  and they
basically "bleeped" the part where amy sings "fuckin' up".  i was wondering
what they were going to do about that.  but, they were great.  amy was
wearing black pants (jeans?) and a button down shirt playing electric
guitar.  emily was also wearing black pants and a black shirt w/ an over
shirt playing banjo then switching to electric guitar.  how cool ! ! !
they really looked like they were enjoying themselves.  even with all
letterman's lesbian related comments due to ellen's coming out episode (and
what a great show, huh?).

anyway, letterman was short - but great.

peace,
- jen hall

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date:         thu, 1 may 1997 12:33:16 +0800
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audrey, could i forward your post to the morrissey/the smiths discussion
list that i'm on? people are talking about ellen and k.d. lang and etc.
and this is just what i need to share:)

han


on wed, 30 apr 1997, audrey beth stein wrote:

> just played get out the map for my friend dan and his response was too
> classic not to share:
>
>
> "i want to be a lesbian.  you get the indigo girls and we get the village
> people.  it's not fair."   -- dan weiner
>
>
>
>
>
>
> forty-five minutes and counting until ellen's on.  i caught her on oprah
> this afternoon and i was quite impressed.  and her girlfriend totally
> rocks!  wish more people would think like she does...this world would be
> a pretty amazing place.  (not that parts of it aren't already pretty
> friggin amazing...)
>
> later y'all,
> audrey
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date:         thu, 1 may 1997 00:36:59 -0400
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subject:      re: call for discussion...caramia

in a message dated 97-04-30 22:09:48 edt, shuey@tcac.com (justin shumaker)
writes:

<<
this is a song which i think i could love...i just have to work out in my
mind what it means to me.  any and all opinions would be appreciated...has
anyone listened to it enough to have some ideas?
  >>

in a message dated 97-04-30 22:09:48 edt, you write:

<<
this is a song which i think i could love...i just have to work out in my
mind what it means to me.  any and all opinions would be appreciated...has
anyone listened to it enough to have some ideas?
  >>

here is my two cents......(a little as they may be)

i think this is one of those songs that has to grow on people. it is a bit
overproduced.
but, i just love the line:

"i pray a lot about these bad feelings inside but i can't pray my way through
or around it."

i hate the first verse of caramia. personally, i think the writing is bad.
the whole:

"......you used to mock me sometimes i would cry when i was home later. you
hurt my
feelings why, why, why.."

sounds almost as bad as my entry into the scholastic contest (ok..not as
hideous, mine was
still much worse : ))

4 out of 5 dentists prefer the "bleep" in shame on you to the dreaded "the
only thing that keeps us distant is that i keep rocking up."
-annemarie

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date:         thu, 1 may 1997 00:49:33 edt
reply-to:     urvashi pitre <urma@juno.com>
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subject:      what cara mia means

i dont know why it's taken me so long to post this...saw the questions
earlier today. cara mia, imho, is italian for my dear one. cara for dear,
love, sweetheart, etc., mia as in mine.

a mystery is solved!!!

amy was really..er...what is the politically correct terminology for
this?..."fascinating" :-) on david letterman tonite!!

urvashi urma@juno.com

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date:         thu, 1 may 1997 14:51:55 +1000
reply-to:     sherlyn koo <sherlyn@fl.net.au>
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subject:      midnight oil / melbourne listmeet?
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hi everyone,

i forgot to mention in my last post (re. the sydney
area listmeet) - i will possibly be heading down to
melbourne/vic for a few days in about two weeks
time - does anyone want to get together while i'm
down there?

carrie said:
>i don't know if ig are midnight oil fans, but i definitely heard what
>you're talking about... when i heard scooter boys for the first time i
>was in another room, and i had to come into the room where the stereo
>was to check 'cause i thought amy *was* the singer from midnight oil!

amy sounding like peter garrett?  now this, i
really can't wait to hear.  it might be the lever
i need to get my midnight oil-loving friend diana
into ig. :)

i do know that ig and midnight oil played together
at some benefit a few years ago - i can't remember
what it was for, it might have been earth day or
something.  diana told me all about it but i can't
for the life of me recall right now.  at any rate,
based on what she said (she knows midnight oil)
i gather that ig are at least acquainted with mo and
vice versa - i don't know about being fans though.

helpful as always, :)
sherlyn
=-=-=-=-=-=-=- sherlyn koo - sherlyn@fl.net.au -=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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  let your heart beat crazy, let your knees get weak..."
                              - carrie newcomer

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date:         wed, 30 apr 1997 21:42:05 -0700
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i think letterman is still kind
of cute for his age.

===
tess
kinkybigirl@rocketmail.com
my fav hangouts:
ladies room, f/f, & west hollywood
http://users.aol.aom/abiaca/chat.htm

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>
> anyone else feel like i do?  either i'm getting really old, or
dave's regressing, and becoming more annoying.  = p  now i remember
why i don't watch tv much anymore.  after all the stupid stuff he's
said (i'm halfway through the show) by this point, i wouldn't blame em
and amy if they decided not to play his stupid show, after all.
>
> jennifer w.
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date:         thu, 1 may 1997 00:59:12 -0400
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is it just me or do you guys think the girls absolutely rocked on
letterman?? my god! the energy was amazing. they really looked like they
were having the time of their life out there. i must say i really love the
banjo in a big way. if i actually had any money i'd run out and buy one for
myself and eventually learn how to play it. overall i thought it was one
kick-ass performance! glad i taped it. gonna watch it over and over :)

jendy
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date:         wed, 30 apr 1997 23:50:48 -0500
reply-to:     tracy fears <salray1@webtv.net>
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subject:      my two cents :) nigc
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just a thought, if i had two actual pennies for everytime someone
mentioned "my two cents" in some form or another (or even dinars for you
xenites :) ) i'd have a pretty stuffed piggy bank right now...maybe i
should try it to see how it progresses :)
anyway, my point..and i do have one...*snickers* that i really enjoyed
the ellen show..i watched it with friends at my pal adam's house....i
enjoyed the way she showed it from most perspectives...from the
realization, the denial, the aceptance, and then the "coming out"
process...i know a lot of us went through those stages...
ig on letterman was fab..i could have done without alec's silly comment
"i'm a lesbian"...i think that was tacky, imho...but i do understand
that there is a lot of hype about it and a lot of people are prolly glad
that it's all over now...
by the way, my friend adam is an ig fan considering joining the
list...do i get a toaster if he follows through with it? :) just
checking :)
-my two cents *clink*clink*
-tracy

"you are in the truth you seek"-me'shell ndegeocello

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date:         thu, 1 may 1997 01:00:26 -0400
reply-to:     jasmine ma <jasmine.ma@yale.edu>
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anyone else see just how smiley amy was? i think she looked great! no other
comments right now..
jasmine

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date:         thu, 1 may 1997 01:19:37 edt
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subject:      nigc: all this gay stuff

so its a gay old wednesday, and gods in the his heaven and all is good
with the world.

so what i want to know is..well two things....

how come whenever somebody says gay most people immediately think "sex"?
of all the gay people you know, how many had to have sex with someone
before they realized they were gay? and i know most gay people wish they
had as much raunchy sex as the world believes they are having!

         being gay/les/bi/straight is about a whole lot more than just
sex and i wish the media would acknowledge that more. i think this whole
emphasis on how you do it, and who do u do it to is just such a small
part of anybody's (mature :-) ) life that is almost stupid that that's
what the shows have been mainly about. i mean, all those questions about
the first time you did it and how... i would be very angry if i had to
talk about that to virtual strangers..even if i was "coming out" and was
this famous person.

also why do so manyp eople..straight/lesbigay...believe its going to be
the same for everyone? why all this shock about "wow! you didnt have a
choice, but she did?? how can that be?".  very easily in fact. what
nature cant explain about that debate, nurture well might. some people
have a choice, some people dont.

sorry for the rant, not flaming anybody, just frustrated. as long as
everyone.. irrespective of sexual orientation... keeps associating the
word gay with sex, i believe we shall always have trouble over it.

counter-opinions welcome, flames not.

urvashi urma@juno.com

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date:         thu, 1 may 1997 01:13:50 -0400
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> anyone else feel like i do?  either i'm getting really old, or dave's
>regressing, and becoming more annoying.  = p  now i remember why i don't
>watch tv much anymore.  after all the stupid stuff he's said (i'm halfway
>through the show) by this point, i wouldn't blame em and amy if they
decided not to play his stupid show, after all.
>
> jennifer w.

even though i was talking on the phone while waiting for amy and emily to
come on, i heard enough of dave to be really bothered.  i thought it was
_very_ insensitve and downright rude of him to make all of those
comments, and i was halfway wishing that a&e would come out and tell him
to stuff it.  i guess that's just my take on things, but i was offended.
i am not a regular dave watcher and now i know i'm not missing much when
i choose just to go to bed!

but i thought they rocked.  i noticed the camera was on amy most of the
time, i guess because she was singing lead.  yay!  can't wait to see them
in 27 days!!!

sorry if this is incoherent,
katherine

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date:         thu, 1 may 1997 01:23:52 -0400
reply-to:     frances p egan <frandigo@juno.com>
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subject:      re: winthrop?

i've heard from a credible source that it will be on the next album.
this is a matter of great importance to me - we live in winthrop
(me, the past 15 years, bob for his whole life-3rd generation), and
"freaked out" probably best describes our reaction when emily
announced the song at newport.  who would have thought that
anyone could write such a beautiful song about our town, much
less an artist that we truly love!  to think that emily's been here....

peace,
fran e.


kirsten chevalier <kirsten@spike.wellesley.edu> writes:
>>
>> someone (kristen maybe?) posted that winthrop would be on the next
>> album...  have we heard this for sure?  i know we heard that chiapas
>> would be there, but it would *totally* make my day to know that
>winthrop
>> will be too!  can anyone confirm?
>>
>no, i haven't heard anything absolutely definite about it, but i did
>hear
>what seemed like a strong rumor (possibly from a credible source,
>probably
>not.) i can't imagine them *not* releasing it sometime soon, but then,
>they
>waited 10 years to finally release "nashville" officially...maybe they
>do that
>with all songs named after cities...:-\
>kirsten
>
>--
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>in doubt+
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>them
>and bend them to fit mine / the world is too good for me, i am such a
>naughty
>girl / but when we're together, we're too good for this world."--ani
>difranco
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date:         thu, 1 may 1997 01:40:14 -0400
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subject:      leeds, "open hole" line

"find the open hole and press your fingers there with all your might..."

the first thing i thought of (besides the obvious sex thing, to tell you
where my mind is!!) was the story about the little boy in holland or wherever
who stood all night with his finger in the hole in the dyke (no pun intended!
lol) in order that the whole town not be flooded.

my $0.02,

peace, harmony & indigo,

tigger, high priestess of amyism (emilyamy@aol.com)
   member - ssim yknib naf bulc
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subject:      hey kind friend question

i just have one tiny question about hey kind friend that has been bothering
me for the entire day. what does the guy say in the middle of the song???
something is mumbled around the 2:44 mark and i can't figure it out for the
life of me.

smiles : )
annemarie

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on wed, 30 apr 1997 22:43:10 -0400 eve nagy <smilee3638@aol.com> writes:

>i just finished watching ellen.  i thought the show was good but the
>commercials shocked me.  i also watched prime time now
>i thought that
>     1. it was wrong perhpas to have that hiv test commercial - was
>that supposing something?

i personally see no problem here.  people from all walks of life are at
risk.  'nuff said.

>     2. some of the jokes the red haired woman - audrey? said were
>inappropriate.?
>          like the one:what do "you people" drink?

i think that was the point.   it was as inapropriate as asking tiger
woods to not serve fried chicken and collard greens at next year's grand
national.

>one thing i will say - it's kind of strange how she went from in the
>closet to so open now. like if you saw prime time now -  she now has all

>these thoughts about marriage etc.

i'm just happy for her that she feels free to express her thoughts and
feeling publicly now.

>and what do people think about the last comment on prime time - about
>how such a large %age of teeneages are prone to suicide if they are gay?

>that one hope of the show was to help and reach out to them?

i have to admit that i didn't catch the whole prime time interview.
however, it is my understanding that the primary cause of these suicides
is a feeling of isolation and freakish singularity.  i.e. i'm the only
one in the world who is like this.  no one will understand or accept me.
a very public and (hopefully) positive representation of their own
struggles to deal with issues of sexuality may help some young people to
realize that they are not alone, and there is nothing wrong with them.
one can only hope.


tuesday's child

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"i'm starting to get over the urge to kill somebody..."  --  ani

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before i even start, i might as well make a couple of disclaimers:
i have only had a chance to listen to the album a couple of times (gotta
do the college thing, and every time i play it i get too caught up in it
and can't get any work done), and, i haven't been a completely thorough
reader of all the posts for the same reason.  so if i repeat things or sound
silly, i'm sorry in advance.  :)

1.  you know how sometimes there are spots in songs that just really hit
you?  well, ia has one of those for me.  the harmonies of the line, "it's
alright if you hate that way" right at the beginning of the song just
give me chills.  i can't tell, between amy and emily, who is going
where.  who is going up top?  it sounds to me like there are more than 2
layers of harmony there, but i really can't figure it out.  i know it's a
picky thing, but i really love that particular sound.

2.  i love caramia.  i was trying to decide about the overproduction
issue, and i had a small light bulb go off (25 watts).  since part of the
metaphorical lyrics of the song have to do with acting, lines, stages,
etc, the heaviness of the strings kind of reminds me of a musical play or
something.  the strings are kind of "swirly" which i guess in my head i
associate with musical theatre type things.  i know, it's random.

3.  the funky thing at the beginning of sys was a little unnerving to me
at first, but by the time amy starts singing, i'm okay with it.  sys
rocks, but i'm not entirely sure what it's about... i need to listen more.

4.  the first time i heard benjamin talking in hkf, i jumped because i
couldn't figure out where that voice was coming from and why it seemed
like there was a man in my room!

5.  i really like hkf on the album; i didn't think i liked it on my las
cruces boot.  being a brass player myself, i love the cornet (which i
agree with whoever posted that it should be cornet- coronet is a brand of
paper towels!).

6.  of the 8 songs that are my favorite on the album, guess what?  i was
evenly split between a & e, even though i _think_ i'm an amy person.  i also
really admire em's banjo skills, speaking of which, i love the banjo on soy.

okay, i'm starting to ramble and i know this is long.  thanks to those
of you who are reading this far.  btw, i thought ellen was about as well done
as it gets, and she just has this smile that makes me want to hug her!  :)
what an awesome evening!!!

happy may 1 to all,
katherine

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please, please tell me letterman is not on channel 11...
i can't remember where cbs finally landed but 11 is the one channel that
we get really crappy reception on, even tho we have cable!!  rrrghj.  it's
just buzzing and you can see half the picture; every other channel is
fine, they're always fine!!!  rgh, this is too sucky.

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in a message dated 4/30/97 10:08:08 pm, you wrote:
>okay what does everyone think about kermit the frog talking in the backgound
on
>hkf?
>okay, i know, its michael lorant or somesuchperson but i swear the first
time i
>heard it i thought it was kermit

        i believe that benjamin from "smoke" is credited for the "spoken word" part.

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subject:      talking about neurosis

was it just me or did anyone else feel slightly guilty after hearing "burn
all the letters"?  i hate thinking that the much detested (or mabey feared)
public eye is us.

west of bishes
shana (jak)

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subject:      english class rocks [to soy], i love my parents, i love my sots,
              i love em . . .

hola -

today rocked!!

my parents were in nj through most of yesterday, and being but a wee
youngster, that meant my only means of transportation was in new jersy with
them.  i begged and i begged and when they came home at 5 the first thing i
said was "my cd is here!! i mean, mommy!  you're home!!!"  =)

so, i'm addicted.  and i brought it to school with me.

oh, all day in the hallways, and studies . . . and then, before english
class, this girl who is almost as obsessive as i am (you might remember her
for flipping out when i slipped about emily being gay . . . *sigh* . . .) and
i got permission to use the cd player in the room.  when our teacher came in
she was like "the indigo girls? i like them; let's keep it on!"  so, she
turned it off when we started reading this article by this girl in wellesley,
ma who's a lesbian (kristin, do you know her?  just wonderin' since she's
right around your age . . .) and has taken all this crap for it.  and she
mentioned the goddesses indigo!  my teacher was like "wow, that's them!"  and
i said "yeah!"  and she says "oh, i'll put it back on!" and get up and goes
and pretty soon we're all rockin' to shame on you.

i noticed in the cd that you can't see amy's face in any pictures.  the only
one is in the case itself, under the clear plastic part where you keep the
cd.  but, is it just me, or does she not seem to resemble any other picture
i've ever seen of her?  she's sort of squinting . . .

i just watched ellen, and i'm starting to seriously think about comin out to
my parents soon.  i'll think about it . . .

now my album reactions.

soy - i like it enough, but for the same reasons it's goin' top 40 i can't
love it.
get out the map - a classic, yes . . . who knew i'd be gettin' down to banjo
music?
sys - ahhhh!!!  i love this song!  all day i've been going around singing
"115, you are 17/itchy trigger, venomous."  and then the "oh holy . . ."
part.  since, though, it's bellow my range my throat is now burning.  "some
power controls me . . ."
it's alright - <see title>
cara mia - ok, now, i've been madly in love with amy since about december,
but i am now so longing after emily.  if loving her is wrong, i don't want to
be right.  this has to be my favorite emily song of all time.  better than
ghost, better than lotk . . . sigh . . .
dgtgag - better live, but still great.
leeds - i love ulali.  do they have any albums out, because i want it if they
do!
scooter boys - good, but, uh, what is a scooter boy?
everything . . . - my grandmother loves this because it reminds her of her
father's mandolin and his trills.  i like it a lot too.
burn all the letters - um, does this remind anyone else of so?  it seems to
me the direction you might have expected them to go in.
cut it out - better than the few boots i have of it.  rocking tune. . .
hkf - what is up with that horn thing?  and the guy talking?  i liked it
better before, but it's still good.

if you've come this far: pat on the back.

now i'm off to bed.

-elizabeth, who recently updated her web page. =)

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subject:      hey kind friend question

i just have one tiny question about hey kind friend that has been bothering
me for the entire day. what does the guy say in the middle of the song???
something is mumbled around the 2:44 mark and i can't figure it out for the
life of me.

smiles : )
annemarie

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subject:      re: (nigc) pride for me!

i've be in  bliss all day myself. first ellen on oprah. then the show, which
was so well done i'm amazed. what  a great, great thing to see yourself
reflected back in a funny, light, poignant and right-on-the-mark way! then
prime time live. and then the girls on dave!

quite a day.

and perhaps this  is inappropriate, but i just gotta say i'm glad amy's hair
is back...she is so cute.

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i notices a few interesting/weird things in the lyrics - wondered if
anyone else noticed or had any thoughts?

but first, i got the digipak version - i personally prefer digipak because
i just look at a jewel case and the hinges break and shards of plastic go
flying across the room - but this digipak design really sucks.

first of all, it's got a big old plastic cd holder thing on it - what is
the point of that?  i really like the folder for the honor cd (although
it's glossy paper, so maybe less pc) - it's so well designed that it's a
double cd but it's as thin as a single and fits in my carousel really well
(unlike 1200 curfews which flops over).  another good one (or two) is the
one for joni mitchell's hits/misses cds.

but the sots one is terrible, the flip-out lyric book is annoying, it's
frustrating to see that there's a picture on the back and not want to pull
the booklet off to see it.  and since when did punctuation and carriage
returns become enemies of the state?

anyhooo,  some actual observations:

shame on you -  the tanner line is now "my friend tanner she says you
know me and jesus blah blah blah"  -  do you think amy thought it was
just too egotistical to leave it "she says she know me and jesus...".  i
thought it was, so i'm glad it's officially different now.

shed your skin - i wish i had a clue what this was about.   milagro means
miracle in spanish, but it's capitalized in the lyrics, so i think it
must mean more than that.  no idea what, though.

caramia - it says "send it down in your notebook, my wannabe harriet the
spy".  send it down?  what language is that?  emily definitely sings
"write it down".  where do these lyric transcriptions come from?

[speaking of weird errors, the pictures in the advocate article are
credited to  "ken pickett"  -  bad handwriting, maybe?]

don't give that girl a gun - very annoying.  i think amy originally meant
it to be "won" - what does anyone else think?  there is a subtle
pronunciation difference between 'won' and 'one' in that they bear stress
differently.  basically, one would be acting like a pronoun and wouldn't
take as much stress as 'won' can take as a verby little thing.  "already"
would be stressed more if it was "one".  i hope she's amused by leaving it
out.

hey kind friend - it says "so i asked you for some relief and it's one
true root that you bring to me".  root, not route.  i didn't really get
the line when i thought it was route, but at least it fit with the
traveling theme.  one true root?  carrots maybe?  horseradish?  some kind
of drugs?  do you think this is just a typo?  it's bizarre.

and lastly, yeah, the usual credits of the "emily thanks god, family,
cats, joni mitchell... amy thanks euphemism for god, euphemism for family,
euphemism for pets etc.  " variety ain't there.  but there is a line that
says "all our relations".  i like it, it's nice and encompassing.  it also
sounds a lot like one of the ulali pieces on the honor cd which is called
something like that - all my relations, maybe?  but i do think they are
sensitive to the "dedication-watchers".

time for letterman!

alison

a dog, a plan, a canal -  pagoda!                alisont@netcom.com

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hey everybody!
   i went around to all the targets until i found some, i bought an extra 3
for anyone else who couldn't find one!  they were only $5.99 !!  so if anyone
else wants one email me privately.

the definition of obsession:
one who buys 4 copies of sots
1 for home
1 for my car
1 for work
1 extra in case driving in someone else's car who doesn't have a copy!

mj :)

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could someone please send me the mailing list for the ellen newsgroup?
thanks
becky

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subject:      hey kind friend question

  i just have one tiny question about hey kind friend that has been bothering
me for the
entire day. what does the guy say in the middle of the song??? something is
mumbled
around the 2:44 mark and i can't figure it out for the life of me.

i've discussed this with other people and we've come to a
conclusion...though it makes no sense. listening to it we think the guy says
something to the extent of:

"it's so hard when they haven't ..., illinois"- (that part we are clueless
on)..
something to the affect of: "lhurt a pet, thanks, illinois"

ok, this makes no sense...but brings up an interesting issue if it is in fact
the lyric (???????)

imagine the newspaper headlines:

   ap [atlanta] -- in an odd turn, the duo group, indigo girls have turned
their
attention away from the honor the earth campaign to focus support on
(pahpill)
people against hurting pets in illinois.

it's ok to punt a cat in indiana.....the indigo girl's focus is strictly in
illinois. so if you're a new yorker, feel free to drop kick a kitty without
resistance from amy or emily

maybe they'll do a huge benefit concert. it would be like farm aid for the
four legged.

just a thought : )
annemarie

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hey folks,

alison said:
>shed your skin - i wish i had a clue what this was about.   milagro means
>miracle in spanish, but it's capitalized in the lyrics, so i think it
>must mean more than that.  no idea what, though.

okay, i'm not too sure about this one but i'll give
it a go (and as soon as we figure it out, it's going
in the faq. :)

a few years ago there was a movie, based on a book,
called "the milagro beanfield war" (this was the title
of both the movie and the book, which was written by
john nichols).  the story was set (oddly enough) in
milagro, which mapquest tells me is in new mexico.
now, i never saw the movie or read the book, but here's
an excerpt from a review i found under imdb:

>robert redford's "the milagro beanfield war" opens with
>mondragon's small act of rebellion and uses it to explore the dilemma
>of many regional cultures in the united states - pockets of language,
>custom and heritage that are threatened with extinction by developers
>who want to turn everything into one homogeneous mall/hotel/resort.

sounds like a movie amy might have watched at some
point, no? :)  but that's just my guess - anyone else
know any more?

happy happy,
sherlyn
=-=-=-=-=-=-=- sherlyn koo - sherlyn@fl.net.au -=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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  let your heart beat crazy, let your knees get weak..."
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i just have one thing to say, after sitting through that whole dumbass
show.  david letterman is a complete idiot.  i'm sorry, but he just is.
whatta loser.  he's been doing this same schtick for the last 15 years and
it still isn't funny.

oh, one more thing.  i love the indigo girls.

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on wed, 30 apr 1997, andrew stokell wrote:

> hey y'all!
> you us fans are really lucky being able to get the album now, over here
> in the uk we've got to wait 'til next monday (damn record companies!)
> by the sounds of it, it's worth the wait though!!

sure.. but to make matters worse monday is a bank holiday!!! ack.. the
shops won't be open!!! pfffffft!!!
you yanks just don't know how lucky y'all are!

jules.

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subject:      re: lyric oddities
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on wed, 30 apr 1997, a. taub wrote:

> but the sots one is terrible, the flip-out lyric book is annoying, it's
> frustrating to see that there's a picture on the back and not want to pull
> the booklet off to see it.  and since when did punctuation and carriage
> returns become enemies of the state?

since rites of passage?   i don't know about the american versions but the
lyric books for rop and so over here are both without punctuation of any
kind.

and someone else pointed out that the lyrics aren't handwritten, well
neither are any of them except on nomads ...

mat

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at 05:10 pm 4/30/97 -0400, mmedido@aol.com wrote:
>in a message dated 97-04-30 13:42:34 edt, cathy writes:
>
><< .i like the digipacks because they do not
> consist of all that plastic...so they seem like a more ecologically
> sound buy.... >>
>
>i also like them because to me they are more aesthetically pleasing...
>i love the texture that one doesn't get on a jewel case....

we'll see how you like the textures after 5 years of handling. :)  other
than the durability issue, the biggest disadvantage of digipaks is that if
the prongs holding the cd in place break, they can't be replaced.

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there's an unfavorable review of sots on mr. showbiz:
(http://www.mrshowbiz.com/reviews/musicreviews/music/indigogirls2.html),
giving it only 62 points out of 100.  the 1200 curfews review is still at
http://www.mrshowbiz.com/reviews/musicreviews/music/indigogirls.html; it
got 77 points.  both are linked to my ig page:
http://www.mindspring.com/~indigo/indigo.html.

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date:         thu, 1 may 1997 06:16:22 pdt
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okay, i don't want to be mean or selfish because the indigo girls make
their music for everyone, but i have been a dedicated fan for years,
and went early to get my tickets.  and today i found out that a
schoolmate, who doesn't even care too much got first row compared to
my fourth.  and she didn't even have to wait or buy the damn tickets.
i'm sorry, i had to vent because i just don't think it's fair.
-alicia

"all i've learned has been in vain, like water on a stain"
                              -amy ray
"your hatred is rooted in your fear, and your paranoia and
insecurities, well they don't belong here."
                              -amy ray
"i walk like a woman and talk like a man.  i said i am who the
fuck i am..."
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sorry for the stupid question...but for the life of me i can't remember how
to switch the list to digest only.
285 emails in one day is just more than i can stand *giggle*

please let me know asap...
thanks :)
marilyn
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date:         thu, 1 may 1997 08:31:15 -0500
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yesterday (wednesday) was such a cool day, at least once i left work!
first off, it wasn't raining! it's been raining here in austin for about
the last 115 years! so that made it a good day to start.

i get off work and go to band rehearsal and we actually had a great
rehearsal, the first in weeks.

then on the way home i finally figured out how to listen to caramia (i
wasn't certain i was going to like this song). i rolled up the windows,
got on the freeway, *cranked* the stereo way up and mashed down the
accelerator! imho, this song needs to be loud to be fully appreciated. i
still don't completely understand the song, but i am beggining to like
it more.

ok, so i get home late and rewind the tape in my vcr and watch the ellen
episode. very cool! not only did the show deal with some important
topics, it was also very funny and the dramatic parts where very well
done. just as the show ended i looked at my clock and it's 11:24 pm....
switch over to david letterman..."we'll be right back with indigo
girls!" much more cooolness followed ... and hey was that amy playing
*lead* guitar!!!!

needless to say i was much too cranked to get any sleep last night...
kept laying in bed singing "la la la shame on you.. the river
said...lalala shame on you" my dog thinks i'm totally nuts!

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date:         thu, 1 may 1997 09:51:12 -0400
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subject:      re: nigc-chrysler/ellen voting
x-to:         mlichten@micom.com

it"s not too late!!!!!
you can still call and voice your opinion! sometimes you'll get a recorded
'all lines are busy' message due to the high volume of incoming calls.
call back! and then follow the instructions below -- this may very well be
your last chance to vote on this issue. a 7:1 loss is unacceptable at best
and shows a ridiculous display of apathy! thanks for the instructions cathy --
:)   trisha

> from mlichten@micom.com wed apr 30 23:36:18 1997
> date:         wed, 30 apr 1997 15:07:48 -0700

> >
> > responses are running 7 to 1 in agreement with chrysler for not
> > sponsoring the ellen show today. please call and pass the word!!  the
> > number is 1-800-992-1997...it's all automated, so you don't have to
> > say anything, just push buttons....when the recording says "or wait
> > for a customer service rep" there will be a pause and it will say
> > "press 1" if you want customer relations issues....that's the one you
> > want---then she'll say press 2 for the april 30th episode of ellen....
> > .press 2 for disagreement with chrysler!!!  i am sure that the
> > falwell camp has recruited their following to call repeatedly thus
> > turning this into a lob sided, untrue vote of the people.....let's
> > fight back.....call now...
> >
> > thanks,
> > cathy
> >
>
> hmmmmmm, must be too late now...
>
> i tried calling, got a recorded announcement and was disconnected.  it
> never got to anything about "public relations issues" in the recording.
>
> :<

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well, i loved the episode.  i thought it was humorous yet quite serious.  i
think she did a wonderful job on this episode.  we were laughing so much -
we were crying.  but, my absolute fav part had to be at the very end where
melissa etheridge is "signing" ellen up as a lesbian and gives the toaster
to ellen's "gf" (can't remember the name).  i laughed my ass off.  melissa
looked like she was trying not to fall off her chair and laugh!  she was so
"into" signing her up.  she stamped those paper in such an excited manner.
it was all very funny.  anyone else see it?

the kd lang part was cool too, but what's with the hair!!  yuck!

take care,
- jen hall

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excerpts from mail: 1-may-97 nigc:  ellen by jen hall@earthlink.net
>  she stamped those paper in such an excited manner.
> it was all very funny.  anyone else see it?


yeah, it was great!  i had about 15 fraternity boys sitting there
watching it with me, and one of them that came in late was upset that i
hadn't told *him* that it was that episode!  :)  and, we all watched it
and had a great time!

i think the use of stereotypes as humor worked really well.  cause,
there you sit laughing at it, realizing just how stupid the stereotypes
are.  ya know?

in any case, i think this was the best show yet; the humor was
incredible and the plot was great, and the grocery store scene knocked
me off the sofa is was so funny!  :)


renee

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date:         thu, 1 may 1997 10:02:44 -0400
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> doesn't change the fact that i think the sound of their voices (on burn
> all the letters, mostly) is just plain irritating.
>

i disagree.  i actually don't think i would like 'burn all the letters'
_without_  ulali singing on it.  they totally make the song.  it would be
(imho) too pop-y and standard without them.  i also love the
strange places amy goes with her voice on this one.

jennie

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date:         thu, 1 may 1997 10:12:02 -0400
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>
>>hey.  my opinion on ulali-->
>
>>   1)i get the idea that they are much more effective in concert.
>
>yeah, me too.  i will be seeing them at the michigan womyn's music festival
>in august, i'll let you know...
>
>
>  > 2)what bugs me is that, for an indigenous group, they often sound like
>  >      studio backup singers.  i can't remember right now, but there's one
>  >      song where they just go "ooh...ooh" through the whole thing, and
>it's
>  >      pretty cheesy, *because* it sounds like *any* people doing it.
>
>yesyesyesyesyes!!!  that is *exactly* what was bothering me!  from what i had
>heard about ulali, i guess i was expecting some very native american
>sounding, um, wailing, or something in the background... but all i got was
>what sounded like something my friends and i could have done (if we could
>sing in tune, that is).  i think the song you are talking about is leeds.  it
>is a very haunting song to begin with... i think that ulali could have been
>used to much more of their potential to add to that hauntedness... however,
>imo, they just sound like any old backup group... a shame, really, i've heard
>they are pretty amazing.
>
>kim
>kpaulus@mpinc.com
>

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dear sherlyn, alison et all...

while i'm not certain that the milagro of milagro beanfield war is the
mention in shed your skin, i will say this...

go rent it immediately!

it's one of my favorite films of all time.  great music also (by dave
grusin, i think).  i like it soooo much that i ordered it from suncoast
video a few weeks back and it should be coming in soon.  yay!

melissa


sherlyn koo wrote:
>
> hey folks,
>
> alison said:
> >shed your skin - i wish i had a clue what this was about.   milagro means
> >miracle in spanish, but it's capitalized in the lyrics, so i think it
> >must mean more than that.  no idea what, though.
>
> okay, i'm not too sure about this one but i'll give
> it a go (and as soon as we figure it out, it's going
> in the faq. :)
>
> a few years ago there was a movie, based on a book,
> called "the milagro beanfield war" (this was the title
> of both the movie and the book, which was written by
> john nichols).  the story was set (oddly enough) in
> milagro, which mapquest tells me is in new mexico.
> now, i never saw the movie or read the book, but here's
> an excerpt from a review i found under imdb:
>
> >robert redford's "the milagro beanfield war" opens with
> >mondragon's small act of rebellion and uses it to explore the dilemma
> >of many regional cultures in the united states - pockets of language,
> >custom and heritage that are threatened with extinction by developers
> >who want to turn everything into one homogeneous mall/hotel/resort.
>
> sounds like a movie amy might have watched at some
> point, no? :)  but that's just my guess - anyone else
> know any more?
>
> happy happy,
> sherlyn
> =-=-=-=-=-=-=- sherlyn koo - sherlyn@fl.net.au -=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>  "let the door swing open, let your actions speak;
>   let your heart beat crazy, let your knees get weak..."
>                               - carrie newcomer
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date:         thu, 1 may 1997 10:32:16 -0400
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i noticed how smiley amy was to and great looking with that hair emily on
the other hand well i wont comment
hugs anthony van pyre


on thu, 1 may 1997, jasmine ma wrote:

> anyone else see just how smiley amy was? i think she looked great! no other
> comments right now..
> jasmine

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date:         thu, 1 may 1997 10:35:47 edt
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subject:      re: nigc - paper or plastic
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> >in a message dated 97-04-30 13:42:34 edt, cathy writes:
> >
> ><< .i like the digipacks because they do not
> > consist of all that plastic...so they seem like a more ecologically
> > sound buy.... >>
> >


"seem like" is the operational phrase here.  its not obvious to me
that its true.

jewel boxes:

they are plastic, but can be formed out of recycled material and can
be recycled in their own right.  typically one does not throw out the
jewel box, its in constant use.  they protect the playing surface of
the cd by (1) holding the cd in place and (2) not letting the bottom
side touch the packaging.  the industry effort to eliminate the long
box means the only thing that goes into a landfill is the shrink wrap
-- which is also true for digipacs.  on the other hand, i'm not
certain of the environmental effects of forming the plastic or what
the share of the petroleum industry (and its environmental sins) the
jewel boxes represent.  probably small but measurable.

digipac:

these are predominately paper and do not wear as well as the jewel
box.  should the container become defective, the artwork can not be
replaced and a jewel box is typically bought to hold the cd.  digipacs
come in two major classes -- those which have the plastic cd holding
tray, and those that don't (e.g. 1200c).  the ones with the plastic
tray can not be recycled.  its a composite material and most places
won't touch them.  those that just special folds to hold the cd can be
recycled, however, they haven't come up with a good way to protect the
cd yet.  as such the cd can be harmed -- my first copy of 1200c was
corrupted -- and a new one must be bought.  the old one goes into a
landfill -- again, cd's are composite materials (plastic and metal).
i have not done a industry analysis on what the fraction of logging
and paper making procedures (with all those nasty chemicals) can be
traced back to digipac production.  probably vanishingly small.

so its not an open and shut case which is better for the environment.
my gut says the jewel box.

in the 90's the presumption is "plastic is bad."  that doesn't always
stand up on closer view.  for example, styrofoam is one of the easiest
things to recycle, provided one actually follows through and makes
sure the damn cup gets to a recycling center.  one thing that does
tend to be true, composite materials are problems.  it takes too much
time and energy (read "money") to seperate out the materials from the
mixture and the ensuing cost/benefit analysis sentences them to the
trash heap.  things like waxed paper products and paper juice
containers with plastic spouts (and invisible plastic lining) are
real problems.


                                -- chris


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ok, i *love* shame on you... love it... it's a great song... except...

the opening guitar chords, before amy starts singing, and a little bit
while she is singing the first verse.  i *hate* them... they make me
cringe.  i don't know, i think it just makes me think of some 80's pop
rock song, ala the hooters.  every time i hear them, i think to
myself... "this can't be an indigo girls song"  but it is... the rest of
the song is great... gets me movin' in my seat... it's just those first
opening chords i can't stand...  anybody else feel that way?

and on a more positive note, what about that part in gotm where amy is
singing the highest i've ever heard her sing "i'm gonna love you good
and strong..."  i've been listening to this cd nonstop at work for the
past 2 days.. and every time that part comes i stop what i'm doing and
sit and listen carefully.  gives me happy shivers every time.

kim
kpaulus@mpinc.com

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this would be all good with me if it means they might actually play in this
damn state!!!!!

sari, who's really annoyed because her dad thought he'd be really nice by
ordering the cd as a special gift from a radio stattion and won't let her
buy it, so she has no idea if she'll ever hear it!!!!! grrrrrrr.
>
>imagine the newspaper headlines:
>
>   ap [atlanta] -- in an odd turn, the duo group, indigo girls have turned
>their
>attention away from the honor the earth campaign to focus support on
>(pahpill)
>people against hurting pets in illinois.
>
>it's ok to punt a cat in indiana.....the indigo girl's focus is strictly in
>illinois. so if you're a new yorker, feel free to drop kick a kitty without
>resistance from amy or emily
>
>maybe they'll do a huge benefit concert. it would be like farm aid for the
>four legged.
>
>just a thought : )
>annemarie

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sari laufer
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dave was in bad form. yikes. that's all i'll say about the first 55 minutes.
some highlights for me:

when amy sang the "beautiful ladies" line and emily said "yeah!" all loud
and happy -- that was so cool.

(: their smiles! :)

sara! i was happy to see her there.

amy's eyes and the fact they remained open.

the goofy fun face emily made at amy after she traded the banjo for an
electric guitar and was ready to rock. hehe.

(pause.)

too many more to mention and remain somewhat mature sounding. :) they both
looked beautiful and sounded awesome. hopefully i won't wear the video out
watching it over and over. :p

nobody has asked but i'm sure many who don't normally watch dave were
wondering -- the extra guitar player is a member of the cbs orchestra (he
was also on dave's old nbc show, as a member of the world's most dangerous
band). admitting i know his name would mark me as a total loser so... i
don't know his name.

i've seen rosie twice in the last couple weeks. both times she asked her
musical guests to play two songs. i'm really hoping a&e will be asked to
play two songs as well -- especially since the only other guest scheduled
to be there is the frightening 90210 guy. she's got plenty of time to fill.
i vote she bumps 90210 boy and invites the girls to play the entire hour!
:) i think they'll play "get out the map" cause it would fit into the
atmosphere of an afternoon show. we won't hear soy i'm willing to bet
(rosie's show is rated g and i think even bleeping the fuckin' up would be
a no-no for a g show.) it would be really cool if they played it's alright.
maybe rosie would listen to the lyrics. ;p

ellen: i really enjoyed the show last night. there are so many ways it
could have been handled poorly and i was relieved to see it turn out as
well as it did. i got all teary-eyed in some places too. the
melissa/toaster oven bit at the end was funny as hell. i also enjoyed the
clip shown yesterday on oprah where ellen and melissa sang a little blues
song about ellen making the decision to come out. :)

kristina

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hey y'all!

in order of the subject line.....

1)  david letterman has got to be the biggest dink in the world.  i sat there,
and all i could think was "ellen degeneres just put her life and career on
the line in order to make this a more accepting and intergrated world, and this
dumb ass is up here perpetuating ignorance....."  i just found him to be
really stupid and totally un-funny.  i was like "uh, duh,.....you have to
lesbians backstage you idiot....hopefully they tell you what an ignoramous you
are...."  you know, i am all for a good joke, and hell, most of my gay friends
are the first people to tell me gay jokes, and hell, if you can't laugh at
yourself, who can ya laugh at, but he just pushed it a little too far, imho.

2) caramia.....now, it doesn't help that i am an amy person, but i hate this
song.  i have listened to it a few times (maybe 4, counting the psu concert),
and i have decided that it is really the most irritating song ever made by
the ig.  sorry, it just bugs me.

3) a qucik repost for either a number or email address of snail address for
wendy's.  and could someone please send the address and/or list of company's
and the causes they are involved with to me privately???  thanks a bizillion!
;)

4)  as for the ig on letterman, they were just so incredible!!!!!!!!!!!
i can't wait til june 12th!!!!!!!!!!!!  woo hoo!!!  i loved the way amy
just looked so happy to be there, and when she sang "fuckin' up" how emily
went "yeah" a few moments later and laughed.  there was a fantasic chemistry.

what a great end to lesbian day on tv!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

5)  and kudos to ellen for all!  ;)  as the sister of a gay man wrestling with
his life and what he should do, i thank her from the bottom of my heart....

peace, love and a happy ig day to all!

karrie

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some people have asked me where in "hey kind friend", the theme (melody) from
the hymn, "this is our fathers house", comes in.  it starts at 3:23 and is
being played by a muted trumpet.  then it is also picked up again at 5:05
and is being played by the dulcimer.

also, if other episodes of ellen had been as well written and funny as the
comming out episode, the show would consistantly be in the top ten. i wish
she would do more of the writting, and they would work harder on the script.
it just seems like to me everytime they go into the book store someone flips
a switch that says, "ok, its time to be boring."  just my take from the episodes
i've seen. all three of them.

trant

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in all the notes that i see (sorry i missed daves monolog so i dont know
what jokes he made) all i seeee mentioned is dave this dave that but i
dont see anything being said about what alec baldwin did why is that?

>
> 1)  david letterman has got to be the biggest dink in the world.  i sat there,
> and all i could think was "ellen degeneres just put her life and career on
> the line in order to make this a more accepting and intergrated world, and this
> dumb ass is up here perpetuating ignorance....."  i just found him to be
> really stupid and totally un-funny.  i was like "uh, duh,.....you have to
> lesbians backstage you idiot....hopefully they tell you what an ignoramous you
> are...."  you know, i am all for a good joke, and hell, most of my gay friends
> are the first people to tell me gay jokes, and hell, if you can't laugh at
> yourself, who can ya laugh at, but he just pushed it a little too far, imho.
>

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on thu, 1 may 1997, sherlyn koo wrote:

> alison said:
> >shed your skin - i wish i had a clue what this was about.   milagro means
> >miracle in spanish, but it's capitalized in the lyrics, so i think it
> >must mean more than that.  no idea what, though.
>
> a few years ago there was a movie, based on a book,
> called "the milagro beanfield war" (this was the title
> of both the movie and the book, which was written by
> john nichols).  the story was set (oddly enough) in
> milagro, which mapquest tells me is in new mexico.
> now, i never saw the movie or read the book, but here's
> an excerpt from a review i found under imdb:
>
> >robert redford's "the milagro beanfield war" opens with
> >mondragon's small act of rebellion and uses it to explore the dilemma
> >of many regional cultures in the united states - pockets of language,
> >custom and heritage that are threatened with extinction by developers
> >who want to turn everything into one homogeneous mall/hotel/resort.

we watched this movie in our social psychology class a few weeks ago, and
this is what i thought of when i saw "milagro" in the lyrics.  the plot
is basically that everyone in the community is at first willing to let
their land be turned into a glitzy recreation area called miracle
valley.  then one of the original owners of the land begins to cultivate his
beanfield, which causes a big uproar with the others as well as with the
developers.  finally the people realize that miracle valley will
actually raise their taxes and cost them jobs, and they all band
together to oppose it by the end of the film.  it's a good movie and one
that i could definitely see amy appreciating...

now if i could just figure out how to incorporate this into sys!

sorry if this is a waste of bw.

katherine

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here's the line-up (or what's known of it) for the cincy show. tickets go
on sale friday (may 2).

gates open 3:00
4:30 - 4:50 tba (second stage)
5:10 - 5:30 tba (second stage)
5:50 - 6:20 lisa loeb (main stage)
6:30 - 6:55 tba (second stage)
7:05 - 7:35 emmylou harris (main stage)
7:50  - 8:40 indigo girls (second stage - just kidding!)
9:00 - 9:50 jewel (main stage)
10:10 - 11:00 sarah mclachlan (main stage)

discuss...

deb

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ok, last night had to be one of the best television nights ever...and this
means quite a lot coming from a tv-aholic (competing hard-core with rosie
o'donnell...hehee...i'm not good at all the commercials though...oh well,
you win some, you lose some)  anyway, the ellen episode...well, everyone
basically already said everything i was thinking: it was totally hilarious.
i was crying...yeah, i wondered about k.d.'s hair in the bar scene as well...
hahaa......i agree with whoever said that the homosexual stereotypes worked
really well to bring out opposing points of view.  and, this is a pretty
materialistic statement, but all i know is that i want some of those really
high v-necked shirts...ellen has more than enough....hehee...

ok, so up until now i've pretty much been a "dave" person...but last night
he really pissed me off.  and what was up with alec baldwin too?  annoying...
anyway, amy was smiling beyond belief and it was awesome...i cried yet
again because i realized i hadn't seen ig perform live in like two years...
i know i know, and i call myself an ig fan!!  the nerve! (pronounced noyve)
anyway, they were great...did you see emily look at amy when she sang the line, "the beautiful ladies walk right by and i just don't know what to say..."???
she totally smiled at her.....oh, sorry if i messed up the words to that line..
haven't been able to listen to the cd too much yet with finals beginning
saturday!  argh...

anyway, it was just an awesome night...and, also, i just want to really
thank (<- don't know if that's the right word i should use...but...) members
of this list (all of you) for shedding some light (and some skin too..hehe..)
on gay issues...as far as i know, i'm straight, but it's great to listen
to people comment on songs and lines which i had never even thought of
in that context before....i feel like through this list i've gained
a significant amount of insight...education is really key in this society,
and you can find it anywhere...you just have to be willing to look for
and recognize it.  "thanks y'all",
                                lesley

ps) how excited am i that i get to see ig really "live" on my b-day at great
woods?!?  wow.....

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at 10:53 pm 4/29/97 pdt, you wrote:
>my best friend and i called every store in town...most of them didn't know
whether they even had the cd, most of them only have the jewel box...and
none of them knew anything about any promo stuff.  we may find differently
when we actually show up to get the cd.  i can't (as i've mentioned before)
get it until friday.  turns out that a locally owned store is the cheapest
and has the digipak (i'd rather have that...i can get the jewel box on any
cd).  so...there are actually places who say they won't have the cd here
until friday.  tulsa....city of the damned...*s*
>
>jennifer w.
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could be worse i grew up in bartlesville.
aaargh!!!!!

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"it's alright if you... hate me cause i'm gay
truth of the matter come around one day so it's alright"

i hope she is right but to me this is alwrong. hate is not all right. it
bugs me like the line
"a moment of peace is worth every war behind us" -- that too is alwrong.

please tell me what i'm missing.

on a positive note, even though i am a ballad loving e person i welcome
the change of pace and hope to see them again in seattle this summer.

mike.

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hello to all in ig land!

well, it has been an incredible week, with all the new
ig stuff and ellen.  i thought i would make new englanders
a little extra excited today.  apparently ig are going to play
boston pride, right after the march on june 7th.  a friend
who's gf lives in boston heard/saw it in print somewhere
the other day.  my guess is they are playing early so they
can make it to saratoga for the show that night.  i don't
have any other info yet, but when i do i will let y'all know.

take care and peace!

-deb

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in the interest of steering ellen posts to the ellen listserv, here's how
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well, i'm trying to limit my replies to nigc (and even to some more trivial
igc) to help keep traffic down, but i had to respond to this:

at 01:19 am 5/1/97 edt, urvashi pitre wrote:
>how come whenever somebody says gay most people immediately think "sex"?

because not enough of us are out in our communities, leading traditional
lives and being open about it.  if all you saw of the straight world was
the mardis gras, you'd think of them what so many think of us.  it's
ignorance and fear of difference in most cases, not mean-spiritedness.

>of all the gay people you know, how many had to have sex with someone
>before they realized they were gay?

as lea delaria said at the march on washington: "if i never had sex with a
woman again, i'd still be a lesbian... a very unhappy lesbian, but still a
lesbian." :)

>also why do so manyp eople..straight/lesbigay...believe its going to be
>the same for everyone? why all this shock about "wow! you didnt have a
>choice, but she did?? how can that be?".  very easily in fact. what
>nature cant explain about that debate, nurture well might. some people
>have a choice, some people dont.

i've always thought it was stupid to assume that all gay people are gay for
the same reasons.  for example, when "ex-gays" say they were "cured," i
just think: "well, bully for you, but what makes you think we can all be,
or that we want to be?"

the other thing that always bothers me is when people start tossing around
bible passages.  queers always seem to respond with varying interpretations
of passages.  but to me, the most obvious response is: what if the bible is
nothing more to me than a 2000-year old historical document?

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at 11:34 pm 4/30/97 -0700, a. taub wrote:
>but first, i got the digipak version - i personally prefer digipak because
>i just look at a jewel case and the hinges break and shards of plastic go
>flying across the room

i have about 1,000 cds and i think i've replaced less than a dozen jewel
cases.  and at least it *can* be replaced.  if you bust a digipack, you
have to either rubber-band the damn cd in there or buy a jewel case.

>first of all, it's got a big old plastic cd holder thing on it - what is
>the point of that?  i really like the folder for the honor cd

but if you get even a tiny little speck of anything abrasive on the cd or
in the folder, you're going to scratch up the cd sliding it in and out of
there.  cd pockets are *horrible* for cds.  the "big old plastic cd holder
thing" keeps the disc above the surface of the holder, so no scratches.

>don't give that girl a gun - very annoying.  i think amy originally meant
>it to be "won" - what does anyone else think?

interesting.  i haven't read the lyrics (doubt i will), but if i understand
correctly, you're asking if it's:

        "she's already won" (she has already won)
or
        "she's already one" (she is already one)

i always assumed the former.  she's already one what?  a gun?  doesn't make
sense to me.  but then, neither does "touch me fall." :)

=-=-=-=

at 10:52 am 5/1/97 -0400, kim paulus wrote:

>the opening guitar chords, before amy starts singing, and a little bit
>while she is singing the first verse.  i *hate* them...

sorry... love 'em. :)

>and on a more positive note, what about that part in gotm where amy is
>singing the highest i've ever heard her sing "i'm gonna love you good
>and strong..."

yeah, at the end... that's what i was referring to yesterday.  i had to
listen several times to make sure it wasn't emily!

>i've been listening to this cd nonstop at work for the
>past 2 days.. and every time that part comes i stop what i'm doing and
>sit and listen carefully.  gives me happy shivers every time.

me too!

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i have finals and i'm going home for the summer. i will probably sign
back on once i get established at home. i think you can probably email
me at tropamber@geocities.com, but mail is automatically deleted after a
week, so i can't guarantee that i will get it. see you later.
amber

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in the hymnal i grew up with, the hymn was called "this is my father's _world_," and was a "for the beauty of the earth" kind of song.....

-rich (sbmfc charter member and official mentor)
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some people have asked me where in "hey kind friend", the theme (melody) from the hymn, "this is our fathers house", comes in.  it starts at 3:23 and is
being played by a muted trumpet.  then it is also picked up again at 5:05
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>yesyesyesyesyes!!!  that is *exactly* what was bothering me!  from what i had
>heard about ulali, i guess i was expecting some very native american
>sounding, um, wailing, or something in the background...... however,
>imo, they just sound like any old backup group... a shame, really, i've heard
>they are pretty amazing.

ohmygodyou'reright!!! in some spots they sound so...gosh, what's the word
i'm looking for...normal -- like *real* people because we all know that
singers of native american descent only know how to "wail", right????
(being incredibly sarcastic in case you didn't figure it out!)

scheeesh....next thing ya know someone is going to question how it can be
that one of the women in the group is named "jennifer"! i mean how
un-native american of a name is that!

sorry, but some of these comments in regard ulali are turning my stomach.

deb

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on wed, 30 apr 1997, deborah alexander/jmc2000 wrote:

> i keep getting these little references to very eastern-feeling philosophy
> in "everything in its own time" -- does anyone else get this?  or know if
> emily started reading some?  it might just be me, 'cause it feels like i
> find it in just about anything these days...

i don't think it's specifically eastern philosophy--- if anything, i'd say
it sounds more christian/native american influenced. "everything in its
own time"--- cf ecclesiastes: "for everything there is a season, and a
time for every purpose under heaven." also the reference to "a loving
god"--- which is something that afaik is a specifically western/christian
idea. "we own nothing, nothing is ours" is more of an eastern-influenced idea,
but it's also a native american one too...

i really like the image of "love that burns like baby stars." emily's
lyrics are *really* inventive and well-crafted on this album...

+o-renee landrum, smith college, northampton ma---slandrum@sophia.smith.edu-o+
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change occurs, and through change, liberation occurs." -aishah shahidah simmons
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on thu, 1 may 1997, trant batey wrote:

> some people have asked me where in "hey kind friend", the theme (melody) from
> the hymn, "this is our fathers house", comes in.  it starts at 3:23 and is
> being played by a muted trumpet.  then it is also picked up again at 5:05
> and is being played by the dulcimer.

i learned the tune as "this is my father's world."

this is my father's world, and to my listening ears
all nature sings, and round me rings the music of the spheres.
this is my father's world, i rest me in the thought
of rocks and hills, of skies and hills, his hand the wonders wrought.

fyi.

my girlfriend says that the whistle tune played before this is a folk tune
that she heard once, but she can't place it. anyone know what it is?

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i have to say, i thought it was hillarious last night...especially alec
baldwin...sorry, but with all the "hype" over the last few weeks with the
big "coming out" what can you do but poke a bit of fun at it...it's not like
ellen was the first woman or man for that matter to proclaim their
"identity"... anyways i digress..

oh yeah...ig was great!! but there's never enough time for a bit of
chat...what's the deal with that? ;)
every moment of peace is worth every war behind us... emily saliers

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i have listened to sofs three times completely through and these are my little mental
thoughts about it...
        1) i really like gotm because it just really makes me happy when i listen to it.  i
found myself humming it alot last night.

        2) caramia is very cool, but a little too orchestrated.  the harriet the spy line
also kind of bothers me because i have always prided the igs on their deep, profound
lyrics.  cool song, though, and i, too, think i will learn to love it.  the point about it
sounding like mystery (one of my #1 ig songs) is right on the ball...never thought of that
before.

        3) my favorite on the album is hkf...it made me whistful before it was even
over.  i can see myself listening to it in college next year and crying.

        4) i really like the album as a whole and can't get enough of it...however, i am
dissapointed that there are no "strictly a&e and their guitars" songs.  there seems to be
at least a couple on every album and, while all the instruments are great and really make
the album exciting and new, i find myself missing the acustic stuff.


about it for now...i'm sure i'll have a couple dollars more to write after a couple more
listenings...

alisa
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..and only tomorrow leads my way."...dave matthews
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i used to like letterman, but last nights show was in very poor taste.
..especially the alec baldwin joke that he too is "coming out as a
lesbian"., and dave's joke about the "lesbian bandwagon" like it's a
choice for those who want to be a part of the "in crowd".....the
whole show was poking fun at lesbians...which of course is his right,
it's his show and  it was the "theme" of the day...but i felt that it
was rude considering that ig was going to be on the show...... i
would have turned the show off if i wasnt waiting for my girls to
come on!!....did dave or alec think about a&e's feelings while they
were making all those lesbian jokes??  i felt uneasy for them.....was
this a plan to have ig on last night, knowing about all the 'lesbian
hype'....just my opinion..(no flames please)  otherwise yesterday was
a great day!!!

with all this publicity.....what better a time to come out of the
closet???

forever indigo, and proud to be a lesbian,
cathy

".....nobody gets a lifetime rehearsal...as specks of dust, we're
universal.."    e. saliers

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so far, same as the cincy show. tickets go on sale june 6th.

gates open 3:00
4:30 - 4:50 tba (second stage)
5:10 - 5:30 tba (second stage)
5:50 - 6:20 lisa loeb (main stage)
6:30 - 6:55 tba (second stage)
7:05 - 7:35 emmylou harris (main stage)
7:50  - 8:40 indigo girls (main stage)
9:00 - 9:50 jewel (main stage)
10:10 - 11:00 sarah mclachlan (main stage)

deb

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lesley said:

>anyway, it was just an awesome night...and, also, i just want to really
>thank (<- don't know if that's the right word i should use...but...) members
>of this list (all of you) for shedding some light (and some skin too..hehe..)
>on gay issues...as far as i know, i'm straight, but it's great to listen
>to people comment on songs and lines which i had never even thought of
>in that context before....i feel like through this list i've gained
>a significant amount of insight...education is really key in this society,
>and you can find it anywhere...you just have to be willing to look for
>and recognize it.  "thanks y'all",
>                                lesley

...it's good to know all the discussion is worth it if at least one person
gets something out of it.... and it can only happen when you listen with an
open mind....(reminds me of that saying:  "minds are like parachutes:  they
only work when they are open..")

...and btw, i believe melissa is still recruiting at the bookstore, and if
you join, tell her i sent you 'cuz maybe i can get a toaster oven too!
;o)  ....

>ps) how excited am i that i get to see ig really "live" on my b-day at great
>woods?!?  wow.....

well, i hope you're on the igboston mail list, 'cuz we're gonna have a
hellava tailgate party at great woods......right chris b. and joan f.?

p.s. a really kewl friend of mine sent me some rodney dangerfield humor
yesterday...here's a sample...kinda gross but made me laugh (ok, so i have
a sick sense of humor.....what can i say: it's rodney....):

>>   i had a lot of pimples too. one day i fell asleep in a library. i woke
>>   up and a blind man was reading my face.

have a good one y'all....

joni  :o)

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hi guys,

well, despite suffering from severe sots deprivation, the sun is shining,
i've had a good day at work (which i was expecting to be majorly lousy), and
fingers crossed, we're gonna have a new government tomorrow...yay!!!

coupla things:

firstly, what's up with the uk loop - is anyone still playing?  jules was in
front of me, but now he's departed the list i don't know if he's still
involved or what.  please, don't let's lose this - it was such a cool idea
and people have gone to a lot of trouble to make their tapes...i miss 'em!

secondly, any news on the multimedia sots release? as much as i want to rush
out on monday (or tues - damn that bank holiday) and buy the audio cd, i'd
rather hang on for the enhanced version...don't know if i can stand the wait
though...

thirdly, is our dutch friend florine k still on the list?  does anyone have
an email addy for her?

lastly, does anyone know how the uk scheduling for sky tv works - i know
letterman gets shown on sky1, but the couple of times i've seen it it
doesn't appear to be live.  would love to know if we could count on seeing
ig's appearance sometime...similarly, vh1 - i've never seen the shawn/chapin
thing advertised... anyone know how it works?

peace and sunshine,

seffy

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you know, i've been reading all the posts about "this song rocks" and "this
song  sucks" and "what's with the new sound and new look to the cd" and
"what's up with ulali..." etc. etc. etc.  i think for myself that what i
don't like about performers is when their music all sounds the same....like
for example, huey lewis' stuff sounds the same to me...don't get me wrong,
i like huey, but if i want to hear a different sound, i have to change
artists (and where has he been lately?).  on the other hand, pop in an
early madonna cd and then a later madonna cd, and it sounds like two
totally different artists (how different is the classic version of "don't
cry for me argentina" off "evita" from "holiday?")

my point is, and i do have one (thanks ellen..), that not everyone is going
to love sots, and not everyone is going to like the same songs on sots, but
the fact that it's different makes *me* like it.  celebrate diversity!
just because *you* don't like something doesn't mean it's not good.  (i
don't like peas, but other people do so they must be good for some
people....just not me...)  i'm not saying which songs i like and which ones
i don't 'cuz i feel it's my opinion and just because i like/dislike
something doesn't mean anyone else should.  however, i will say this...you
can't get a true appreciation for some things by just a few
encounters...somethings are an acquired taste.  and as far as sots goes, i
will venture to guess that your least favorite song today may become your
most favorite song in a few months....it'll grow on you.

for me, i've been listening to sots for almost two weeks straight now, so
to shake it up, i'm listening to classical music today....and showtunes on
the way home....

joni  :o)  "high on a hill was a lonely goatherd, lady-o-lady-o-lay-he-hoo!"

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at 11:17 am 5/1/97 -0500, you wrote:
>i used to like letterman, but last nights show was in very poor taste.
>..especially the alec baldwin joke that he too is "coming out as a
>lesbian".,

i thought that was hilarious and not in bad taste at all..


and dave's joke about the "lesbian bandwagon" like it's a
>choice for those who want to be a part of the "in crowd".

but when ellen made the same exact comment about it being fashionable to be
a lesbian and it was either that or getting a nose ring it is completely
funny -- sounds like a double standard.

....the
>whole show was poking fun at lesbians.

maybe it poking fun at all the hype or poking at contemporary issues --
like dave always does -- nothing he said was homophobic in intent.


..which of course is his right,
>it's his show and  it was the "theme" of the day...but i felt that it
>was rude considering that ig was going to be on the show......

amy and emily seemed to be having a great time performing -- when they are
having a bad time (watch leno i think in '92) and you can definitely
tell...maybe they thought the jokes were funny -- i though dave was going
to chat with both of them or something. i mean -- dave always picks on
people -- he was ragging on baldwin in the movie clip insinuating he was gay.


i
>would have turned the show off if i wasnt waiting for my girls to
>come on!!....did dave or alec think about a&e's feelings while they
>were making all those lesbian jokes??  i felt uneasy for them.
well so you did..
amy and emily seemed to be having a great time performing -- when they are
having a bad time (watch leno i think in '92) and you can definitely
tell...maybe they thought the jokes were funny -- i though dave was going
to chat with both of them or something.


>this a plan to have ig on last night, knowing about all the 'lesbian
>hype'.

well it *was* a great deal of hype, by *any* standard!!!

..just my opinion..(no flames please)

this is a response from my point of view - not a flame


  otherwise yesterday was
>a great day!!!

it  was a great day in television, it will be a better day when people who
are disenfranchised with society's norms, the disabled, people who are gay
and lesbians, native americans, ect can be themselves without the hype or
the backlash...
mike r.

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hi all... it's me, ( kim: goddess in her own reality )... i've been offline
+ outa touch with y'all, but wanted to drop a quick note to say hey there:)
i'm at my gf's dad's place in vancouver + just picked up the new ig cd at
virgin records here ( thanks be to my tour guide + soccer playin' dynamo,
kim in 'couver who is also an excellant non-impaired parking person ( whole
other story )... saw *the* ellen show with kim last night too... very well
done) i imagine there's a lot of talk on the list about both the cd and that
there show... wish i wasn't missing it...
peace all... kim ( who is really outa sorts at being so outa touch *right
when* the new cd is out!!! aaarrrrggghhh!!!! )

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hi everyone!  i was wondering if anyone has ellens mailing address.  i was
really moved by her coming out episode and i would like to show my support.
thanks,
stine

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subject:      ig song at hofstra...anorexia

at the hofstra show, i remember hearing a song that caught my ear and went
something like this: "all the girls on the street with anorexia and all of
the boys think they look just fine......"  does anyone know what song this
is? i'd expected it to be on sots but it's not.  i don't have a boot from
that show.....anyone have a clue?!?!

also, any info on subscribing to the ani page?

thanks :-)
marci

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could someone please help me, i don't know where to find a list of all the
lillith fair dates!! i tried searching under sarah mclachlan and arista
records but didn't find anything. please help!!! private e-mail. thanks
alot-dave

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some of you may remember i posted few days ago about how one knows whether
or not a present intended for them actually gets to the girls. most of you
counseled me to just forget about it , and i was trying to do just that.

well i talked to the tcu backstage guy today and he said out of 50 things
to autograph, mine was one the 10 they actually signed! when asked about
the chocolates, he said he gave them to the road manager who opened up the
box and shook it around to see what would fall out of it. then greg (sweet
tcu student) actually handed the box to the girls themselves. so i know
they got them and i can sleep. thanks for all the good advice and stories
shared.

sorry, not of consummate interest to most, but where else could i share
this kind of happiness?

urvashi u.pitre@tcu.edu

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just a quick note to say...
now that amy and em have made a piano song
wouldnt it be great if someone like elton john
covered *them* in one of his concerts?

ok, corny i know, but that's all i could think
this morning when listening to the song
anj
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oh, and i forgot to ask how you guys felt about ellen's comment that she didn't
want to be an activist for gay rights........just curious...

lesley

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>did anybody see ig with mm and caroline aiken and dede vogt at the flying
>biscuit the other night?  if so, give us the scoop!

        monday night the flying biscuit held a cd release party for the indigo
girls.  friends, associates, and local musicians all gathered to celebrate
the release of "shaming the sun".  while most of the night people mingled and
chatted with one another, the igs did perform an acoustic set for about an
hour.
        i can't remember exactly every song they played but i'll give it a shot.

shame on you
get out the map                 (amy on mandolin and emily on banjo)
i don't wanna know      (with michelle malone singing and playing mandolin)
shed your skin
big yellow taxi         (with dede vogt, caroline aiken, missy spirit on guitar, ann
                                                richardson on flute)
song with and by dede vogt
everything in it's own time     (with ann on flute)  (at this point there was a
power failure or fuse blown, not sure which, but it was a perfect song for
it.  they kept playing, regardless of having no power. it was beautiful.)
thin line       (with gerard mchugh)

        and i that's all i can remember.  it was a great night.  the place was
packed; amy, emily and all their guests really seemed to enjoy the
celebration.

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can somebody email me privately with the date of the pay per view show.  i
missed letterman...i am a little bummed.  also does anybody know the rosie
date?  thanks...

mindala

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> > responses are running 7 to 1 in agreement with chrysler for not
> > sponsoring the ellen show today. please call and pass the word!!  the
> > number is 1-800-992-1997...it's all automated, so you don't have to
> > say anything, just push buttons....when the recording says "or wait
> > for a customer service rep" there will be a pause and it will say
> > "press 1" if you want customer relations issues....that's the one you
> > want---then she'll say press 2 for the april 30th episode of ellen....
> > .press 2 for disagreement with chrysler!!!  i am sure that the
> > falwell camp has recruited their following to call repeatedly thus
> > turning this into a lob sided, untrue vote of the people.....let's
> > fight back.....call now...
> >
> > thanks,
> > cathy
>
> hmmmmmm, must be too late now...
>
> i tried calling, got a recorded announcement and was disconnected.  it
> never got to anything about "public relations issues" in the recording.
>
> :<

it's up and running a-ok now- but it was busy the first time i called....
pleez everyone, call!!!
this is *my life* we're talking about, maybe yours too??!!

peace, karen

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in a message dated 97-05-01 15:37:24 edt, someone wrote:

<<  a 7:1 loss is unacceptable at best
and shows a ridiculous display of apathy! >>

i have been learning about statistics
(which causes me to question everything)
and one of the first data collection methods that was trashed
was the "call in' poll...simply because it is inherently biased.
the rub being that it is poll that relies on self selection...and those
who call in to these are predominantly 'angry' about something
(in this case the gall of edg and other gay folk for not knowing
their place and staying in it ;)
just thought i'd share.
byebye !!
claire

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hi y'all,
i thought i heard that ig were going to be on rosie on may 3rd. on my
calendar, that's a saturday.... does anybody know something i don't? is
rosie on saturdays? or did i just get the date wrong? thanks for the help!

jason

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hey everybody ...

i know there are a few people out there waiting for my bootlist and other
that i'm supposed to be sending blank audio +/or video to ...

i've had my bootlist destroyed somehow on my disk and i've been trying to
re-write it for about a week now ...

please be patient with me ... i've also been trying to catch up with my mail
from last friday thru now ... so some of you may get messages about things
written in the past week in regards to boot offers or whatever ...

loved ig on letterman - what's with the clothes tho' ??? trying to match ???
loved em's little smile in amy's face when she switched from banjo to
electric !!!!!

that's all for now !!!!!!!!

chris "the guini-meister"

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        sots: love it love it.  immediately takes second place in favorite album
category (and it is a tough battle).  (nis is still my favorite)  pining
over my lost "car copy" tape that i let one of the vets at work borrow
overnight... near killed me that whole 15 minute drive home without it..
lol.  but, i decided that encourageing her to buy it sooner than later
outweighed my need to hear it for those 15 mins... sweat sweat... (don't
feel too sorry, i am listening as i tap to the cd)

        letterman:  gwendigo buddypal... deep breaths hon.  it could have been oh
so much worse.. i was just waiting (baseball bat in hand) for him to
introduce them as "two lesbians with guitars!" or something... the rest of
the show was sure leading up to that, right?  actually he seemed to truly
like the tune, and i loved "where the hell is the damn banjo!!! i saw a
banjo!!"  cracked me up.  anyhow, just keep in mind how much worse it could
have been.   <reassuring hugs to gwen>

        bliss = new ig album

tracy - who *still* can't stand cio. but has learned to like leeds, so
that's something.

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at 11:28 am 4/30/97 -0700, you wrote:
>tracy and i will be going to wildrose tonight to watch ellen - hope to see
>some of you pnw listees there.
>
>jeni.
        gawd she cracks me up... talk about your minimum of information...
lolololol!!!  not to mention she gave y'all just a couple hours warning!
        anyhow, where did the month of april go?
        it was cool, for those of you unable to arrive, to watch the show at
there, even though it was totally sro and cramped and a little smokey!  the
building actually shook with cheers at every single cheerable part of the
show... it was so cool.  of course, we will be watching our taped version
as well since we (both being rather slight on height) had to watch through
people!! lol  eye candy supreme as well... *happy sigh*

        early warning: we will be at pride on cap hill in june too.  whether or
not we venture into the world previous to then is anyone's guess...

tracy - buried in being too busy, deleting too much of the list before
readin it, and making plans to move back to oly after graduation... watch
out binkster!  lol

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        basically "what deb said" (wait flamer.. i have more!!!!)
>
>the other thing that always bothers me is when people start tossing around
>bible passages.  queers always seem to respond with varying interpretations
>of passages.  but to me, the most obvious response is: what if the bible is
>nothing more to me than a 2000-year old historical document?
        even aside from that, which i do agree with being a strong consideration
on my part, who gave anyone the right to pick various passages here and
there to use when conveinent?  i am far from religious (raised that way)
but in the past couple years have gone on a minor quest to learn a little
about "the enemy" (meaning those who pound their book while calling my
friends and i evil - i have zero against religious folk who do not attack
others for being themselves, all i require is mutual respect.).  in this
quest i have learned an awful lot... and most seems to indicate that when
you want to back up some position, just flip through the pages and you can
pick something that will do just that.  nevermind that the majority of
anti-gay wording is in the "old testament" which for nearly everything else
the same pounders will say was made basically outdated with the "coming of
christ".  apparently many feel it is alright to pick and choose to back
one's own beliefs.  anyhow, i have had a ball learning some passages to
quote right back at them, and whenever possible from the same section they
are using to insult me or my friends or my community. beware though - the
real hate-filled zealots get occasionally violent with this tact.
        in the end, i feel like no matter what, some people will need to hate some
group, and will find "higher" backing for their hate where ever they can.
i am not going to change those minds anymore then they are going to change
mine, or cure me.
        is it not true that lying, hatred, and intolerance is "bad" in all
religions?  well, for me not to admit i am gay and happy that way and me
that way would be lying.  when i did not realize i am gay i hated myself
much more.  hating me and my community is wrong because hate is wrong.  etc.

        really now, who am i to presume what is right for anyone?
            for that matter, who is anyone to presume what is right for me?
            i'll live my life the best i can, and assume you are doing the
same.
                                love is never wrong.
tracy


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thanks again to everyone that responded, i now know where to get the info.
www.lilithfair.com in case anyone else was wondering.

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alisa greenberg wrote:
>
>         2) caramia is very cool, but a little too orchestrated.  the harriet the spy line
> also kind of bothers me because i have always prided the igs on their deep, profound
> lyrics.  cool song, though, and i, too, think i will learn to love it.  the point about it
> sounding like mystery (one of my #1 ig songs) is right on the ball...never thought of that
> before.


if i'm not mistaken, "harriet the spy" is more than just a recent
nickolodeon movie.  it's been a "must read" children's book for some
time.  i think the reference sounds weird because of our being exposed
to the movie (so it, in turn, makes the reference sound commerical or
cheesy).  however, it we didn't have the movie (and i'd bet that the
song was written before the film) that the reference would be
mysteriously cool and have all of us scrambling to figure it out.

my $2,
scott

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subject:      more letterman stuff

hi all,

i also thought that letterman went a little too far with the whole lesbian
thing.  it's one thing to make a couple of jokes about ellen coming out, but
to focus the entire show around lesbians, and have alec baldwin declare that
he was one, is just ridiculous.  very insensitive, especially since ig were
on that day.

but did anyone notice the funny stuff that went on, during soy???
first, when amy said the fuckin up line, the guy playing behind her (i can't
remember his name) smiled at sara and then you see her smiling back, like
they didn't know it was gonna be bleeped out.  it was funny!  and then when
she sang the "when all the beautiful ladies..." line, you hear someone in the
audience  yell "yeah!"  i had to rewind it and watch that again.  it was so
funny!!!

well, if you have a tape of it, be sure to watch it again and catch these
tidbits!

~liz

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> she's already one what?  a gun?  doesn't make
>sense to me.
maybe she's a pistol??.. i like the ambiguity.
they are really pushing the envelope on this cd. rhythymically very
interesting(speaking as a percussionist). no songs i will skip, but my
least favorites at this time are
1. cio...although it will probably grow on me
2. batl...funky samba beat though.
wish sb was longer
i like ulali
i like how it opens up really rocking, transitions into the angst, anger
and anomie and then segues out quietly, acousticaly and slightly
hopefully with hkf.
can't wait to see 'em in concert!!!

marilyn

i am a problem child- i've been wild all my days...(a.ray)

..still crazy after all these years.. (p. simon)

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well, i remember reading an interview w/a&e when they were in the uk and
one of the questions was if they could be any fictional character what it
would be, and emily said harriet the spy (or angie dickenson, policewoman,
but that is irrelevant.) so maybe that is the missing link in the little
mystery.
have fun everyone! :-)
mary

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wow!  i love all of this igc.  here's my little addition (i'm sorry if
i'm repeating info that's already been posted)

sys - my favorite song on sots.  when i played it for a friend of mine
      he said that the very beginning is a sample of a song by super cat.

hkf - a few people on the ani difranco list said this song is about her.

dennis

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soooooooooooo...

anyone have the wheaton boot out yet? i'm looking for it to give to my
friend as a birthday present, so i'd love to know where i could get my
hands on a copy! thank you so much..

happy windsday!

-liz-

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hello all,

stepping out of lurkdom for a moment here to say thanks for all the
interesting comments on sots.  haven't listened to it enough to offer
detailed comments of my own, but in general i like it and continue to
be grateful to ig for all the wonderful musical gifts they give us.

has anyone figured out the guitar chords to "shame on you"?  i'm itching
to try it out.

thanks, mp

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okay, not that it's even remotely possible that y'all don't have this album yet, but kmtt (103.7) is giving everyone the full meal deal on may 29th at 9:00.  i'm planning a roadtrip. :)

sent the donations in to faye at hte a while ago, by the way...she of course told me to voice her most heartfelt appreciation to the donors.  y'all should be getting thank you postcards soon.
i also should be posting soon w/the hte tour dates which (bummer for us west coasters) is going to be focused mainly in the east this year.

later kids.
-g

"does it hurt if i yell loud?  if i yell loud does it hurt?  sure!  i do it anyway."
-a. ray

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>if i'm not mistaken, "harriet the spy" is more than just a recent
>nickolodeon movie.  it's been a "must read" children's book for some
>time.  i think the reference sounds weird because of our being exposed
>to the movie (so it, in turn, makes the reference sound commerical or

scott is right, it's an awesome book. i must have read it two dozen times
when i was a kid. the lyric reminded me of some things i remember a&e
saying in an interview. because it was one of my favorite books this quote
stuck in my mind. i found it on the lifeblood site using their handy search
feature.

http://www.hidwater.com/lifeblood
http://www.hidwater.com/lifeblood/articles/95xxxxb.html <-- the interview's url

this is a great interview, i recommend everyone go read it. if you don't
have web access let me know, i'll email it to you. :)  kristina

oh "k" is the person doing the interview. didn't she used to be a list member?
-----------------

k: yeah.. if you could be any fictional or cartoon or tv
character.. who?

(long silence)

a: hmmm...

(more long silence)

e: that's a rack your brain question!

a: yeah..

(pause)

e: i thought you would want to be patrick stewart

a: no.. he's got too much responsibility. (all laugh) all the ones
that i like i wouldn't want to be because they're so.. they have
so much responsibility and their burden is so heavy. and i
don't feel like doing that right now. nancy drew seemed like
she had a pretty good life. (k: oh yes!!) you know, like,
discovering little detective stories.. getting to experience all
different stuff.. (k: and a cool girlfriend.. kind of!) yeah!

e: when i was young i wanted to be harriet the spy. did you
ever read that book? (a: that's a good book) harriet the spy..
and on tv when i was young, i wanted to be a policewoman..
angie dickinson.. or kate jackson from charlies angels. but
i don't really watch all that much tv any more.

a: the sandman would be a nice person to be.. have you read
those comics? (k: no) jan has.. jan's into comics.. we share that
interest.

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hello! =)
      me, again, with yet another offer... if there's no target near you and
you need the 7-song sampler, let me know.  i already have 6 copies here, and
if the demand exceeds that, i'll see what i can get tomorrow.  just let me
know.  they were $6 each, so i guess with tax and postage that'd be about $8.
that's the price then. =)  so just e-mail me if you need it.  and i still
have a stack of "atlanta" magazines here if you want a copy of the one with
the article on amy... that would be $5.  and i have a couple swamp vinyls if
anyone needs one of those... i think that's all. =)  as usual, if anyone
needs any michelle malone merchandise, i'm going to see her this weekend, so
let me know if you want me to pick up anything for you. =)  (i'm such a
salesman...) peace, love, and happiness, sarah

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date:         thu, 1 may 1997 15:42:31 -0700
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indigo girls are supporting the tj martell foundation
for cancer and leukemia research by donating to the celebrity
auction
you can bid on and  own these and other
items by going to     www.streammedia.com/auctionline.
there are also many other items from artists, actors, and
sports stars. if you would like to put a link to the auction
on your own site go to the participate area of the auction
site and grab a banner.

thanks for supporting
?indigo girls ? and the tj martell foundation.

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date:         thu, 1 may 1997 19:56:42 -0400
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at 11:34 am 5/1/97 -0400, debigogrl@aol.com wrote:
> apparently ig are going to play boston pride, right after the march on
june 7th.

wow!! if this true i've died and gone to heaven.... it could fit in there
schedule since they will be in the area for greatwoods the night before.

- jan
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indigo girls in boston for june 7th pride????
is this for real or just
some vicious rumor that will be dashed to pieces
in future posts????
i kind of doubt that ig's would be in boston that day??? and is that the
date of boston pride??? i am completely confused... can someone from the
boston area "str8ten" me out here?????
**em*!**

ps... i am expecting melissa etheridge to be knocking my door down with
*my* toaster anyday now!!!! woowoo....
and if i ever saw kd in the grocery store...i would definately buy more
the mellons!!!!

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date:         thu, 1 may 1997 20:21:00 edt
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subject:      (nigc) top 10 signs you're suffering from burnout

there's enough of you in school and facing finals & (hopefully) graduation
i thought you'd enjoy (or could really understand) this.....

enjoy.....

top ten signs that you're suffering burnout:


10. you're so tired, that you now answer the phone, "hell."

9. mom calls to ask how you've been, and you immediately scream,
    "get off my back!"

8. when your parents inquire about your grades, you sing the cookie
    monster song: "c is for cookie, that's good enough for me..."

7. you wake up to discover your bed is on fire, but go back to sleep
    because you just don't care.

6. you've got so much on your mind, you've forgotten how to pee.

5. just to take a break from studying, you actually exit your
    dormitory when the nightly fire alarm goes off.

4. you sleep more in class than at home.

3. you leave for a party and instinctively bring your bookbag.

2. visions of the upcoming weekend help you make it through monday.

1. you think about how relaxing it would be if you were in jail
    right now.

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date:         thu, 1 may 1997 17:22:36 -0700
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subject:      pulse magazine

hey- wasn't ig supposed to be on the cover of tower's pulse magazine this
month? i could have sworn they were, and that they had their photo shoot
and everything, but i went today, and the may issue has cheap trick on
the cover (ironic name, isn't it?). i am majorly bummed- does anyone know
anything about this?
second, does anyone know whether or not ig are playing lillith fair in
la? i would  try to get tickets to go if they were, considering so many
of my fav. people are playing.

~andy

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i was just gonna make that comment myself maybe she is a pistol

on thu, 1 may 1997, m.macvey wrote:

> > she's already one what?  a gun?  doesn't make
> >sense to me.
> maybe she's a pistol??.. i like the ambiguity.
> they are really pushing the envelope on this cd. rhythymically very
> interesting(speaking as a percussionist). no songs i will skip, but my
> least favorites at this time are
> 1. cio...although it will probably grow on me
> 2. batl...funky samba beat though.
> wish sb was longer
> i like ulali
> i like how it opens up really rocking, transitions into the angst, anger
> and anomie and then segues out quietly, acousticaly and slightly
> hopefully with hkf.
> can't wait to see 'em in concert!!!
>
> marilyn
>
> i am a problem child- i've been wild all my days...(a.ray)
>
> ..still crazy after all these years.. (p. simon)
>
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         jan asked me to post so i will. last night after letterman who
calls me but ms. stevens telling me she watched their apperence on
letterman three times already(it was only ten minutes after they
performed). we agreed that amy is way hotter than any super model we can
think of and we loved her bell bottoms.
      she kept me up until one in the morning playing all the new tabs
and chords she figured out from the new album. she rocks! i also played
"gratitude" by ani for her. btw...anyone else notice how emily is quoting
"fugitive" in "cara mia". i guess this is her "fugitive" where she gets
to bitch and moan about being famous:)
    yes, i'm not even a lesbian i was offended by letterman last night.
actually he wasn't as half as offensive as alec baldwin was. what a
cocky...well never mind. at least his jokes could have been funny and
what's this outing about five people on national television. jan and i
thought the girls shouldn't have even played.  they should have come on
said "we're lesbians..thank you" and left.
      lastly, i got the calender...big whoop. it's the size of     a
quarter. for those who don't have it don't worry. it's not worth the hassle.
but sots takes the place of nis as my favorite ig cd. so if you haven't
bought it yet(anyone...anyone) run and buy it...quick!
ben

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it has been brought to my attention that there are some of you wondering
what is happening with the eugene boot.

in an effort to bring you the best quality boot and tree possible, i
have held off posting the tree until all of the branches at least have
their copy of the boot on it's way to them.

the original boot that i had was missing some songs and there were
concerns about this raised by several tree volunteers when they were
aware that a complete boot existed.  thanks to the generosity of the
holder of that "perfect" boot, i was able to use it to root the tree.

i apologize if any of you have felt that i was not following through
with my commitment to organize the boot tree.

i will post the complete tree by sunday,  whether or not everyone of the
branches has received their copy of the boot, in an effort to move the
process along.

thank you for your patience.

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subject:      letterman

did anyone notice emily mouthing the words while amy sang on the first verse?
it was cute.  i think i've watched it a hundred times today.  it's the
closest i've been to seeing them live.  pretty sad, isn't it?  hopefully
they'll make their way to kansas city this summer.  actually the guy on the
radio said they're coming with the lilith fair...i'll just cross my fingers!
:)
~kelly

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subject:      re: ig dock picture found!

someone asked a while back about this and i knew i'd seen it.  it's in the
april 1994 issue of out.  it's a half page color shot with amy laying on her
back and emily beside her leaning back on one arm.  they're both dangling
their feet in the water.

resa in spokane

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subject:      re: ummmm???ig boston pride???

it makes perfect sense!  they are playing friday night, june 6, at great
woods
which is about 40 minutes outside of boston.  then, they are playing
saratoga
the following night, which is 200 miles from boston,  3 hours away if amy
is
driving. ;)  so they could leave boston in the late afternoon and still
make it to
saratoga in plenty of time for the concert.  remember, the girls are real
road
trippers so it's probably no big deal to them.

peace,
fran e.


on thu, 1 may 1997 20:13:15 -0400 owner-indigo-girls@netspace.org writes:
>indigo girls in boston for june 7th pride????
>is this for real or just
>some vicious rumor that will be dashed to pieces
>in future posts????
>i kind of doubt that ig's would be in boston that day??? and is that
>the
>date of boston pride??? i am completely confused... can someone from
>the
>boston area "str8ten" me out here?????
>**em*!**
>
>ps... i am expecting melissa etheridge to be knocking my door down
>with
>*my* toaster anyday now!!!! woowoo....
>and if i ever saw kd in the grocery store...i would definately buy
>more
>the mellons!!!!
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my first posting and i couldn't do it until today because my email is
messed. sigh. so, first of all i love sots. i think my favorite track is
sys (and i think ulali sounds great). i love just about all of the new
songs. i was one of the lucky ones who went to tower at midnight monday
night. i desparately want on of those calendars. i have a few different
things i am willing to trade for one:
the denuve (shoot, i'm not sure if i'm spelling it right, but now it's
called curve magazine) with the girls on the cover
or one of the promotional posters
or a sots flat and some sots stickers (i loaded up on those monday night)
email me if you'd like to trade. muchas gracias. oh, another thing, i
love it in the jewel case when you lift up the cd there is amy (she is so
beautiful!). what a wonderful surprise. and i must agree that last night
was great, ellen, more ellen, i.g. i must call ticketbastard now, tickets
are going on sale tomorrow for champoeg and i want info. happy listening all.
have an indigo day,
sam
(not jan)

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i'm trying to consolidate everything into one post, so it's looooong!!!

the remarks about the lyrics in the liner, with regards to the carriage
returns and capitalization.....the only albums i can think of (just off the
top of my head) is the self-titled, nis, and strange fire.  so and rop both
were just like this one - ramblers  :)

i don't think dgtgag makes a lot of sense as "she's already one."  it makes
infinite sense to me as "she's already won."  it makes it look like there was
a competition between the girl & amy, and the girl won.  after what i've
heard and read about amy's breakup with her gf, it seems like the gf (now ex
gf) won big time.

i love amy's hair now that it's getting longer.  (hear that amy???  dont you
cut that stuff off again!!!!!!!)

after having listened to the album some 50,000 times i have changed my
favorite songs.  amy 1st place scooter boys, 2nd place shame on you 3rd place
hey kind friend.  emily 1st place burn all the letters (i like ulali in this
song but not so much in leeds) 2nd place it's alright 3rd place get out the
map.

would someone privately e-mail me and tell me what letterman said in the
monologue?  all i got on tape was from joey whatserface on to the end.

i got the free videotape at record town :)  i like it but it wasn't long
enough!!!!!

i also noticed how smiley amy was.  i *****love***** her smile.   (i also
***love*** em's smile, but amy doesn't smile enough to suit me  :)  )

i had *another* ig windfall yesterday.  i work at a middle school and i
happened to accidentally find the cooperative consultation department's copy
of the scholastic tape!!!!!

i read the book "harriet the spy" when i was a kid, 11 or 12....it's a better
book than movie.

well i guess that's it.............catch y'all later!!!!!!  :)

peace, harmony & indigo,

tigger, high priestess of amyism (emilyamy@aol.com)
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wonder/love is never wrong..." - m. etheridge
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after 3 years, my so digipack is doing nicely thanks..also, i have had more
than a couple hinges on jewel boxes break, covers crack.....

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hey folks.

time for the next installment of goodies. things have been very tight
lately, i think maybe we've got all the stuff there is to get! :) i'm
clearing out some of my lesser condition items along with normal for sale
things in order to help pay for an autographed grateful dead poster i'm
bidding on. not a worthy cause really, but the auction is being held for
the t.j martell foundation thing that was posted to the list recently. i
didn't find any ig stuff, though they claimed there was some. anyhoo -
i'm going to add a policy page to my web site either today or tomorrow. in
light of the recent rainy day records happenings and the follow up
comments and speculations, i think it's a good idea to make sure whomever
cares to know about what me and my little record gig is all about can. it
will be accessible by clicking on the policy link at the top of my
fortunate ones records page which calls home sweet home:
http://www.moonbase.com/fortunateones/fortunate.html
for those of you that dont' have web access or don't care to wait for it
to load, please feel free to write me for a copy. if you couldn't
care less, sorry you had to read this far to get to the for sale stuff! :)


back on the bus y'all promo vinyl. in a black sleeve with a purple sticker
that reads - indigo girls live - back on the bus y'all - "1 2 3" - (studio
and live versions) - plus six songs including the previously unreleased
"left me a fool" and "all along the watchtower"

        cover and vinyl show wear - no major scratces - $15
        nicer cover and clean vinyl - $24

4 song 12" promo vinyl e.p. - includes center stage, prince of darkness,
kid fears and closer to fine. in black sleeve with purple stickers listing
tour dates w/ r.e.m. - radio station call letters written on sticker/label

        cover shows a bit of wear - clean vinyl - $20


michelle malone and drag the river - relentless cd - $18

least complicated cd single - $7

honor the earth poster - $16

nomads indians saints promo poster - $30

three hits promo e.p. - $26

swamp ophelia - green vinyl - signed by the girls

        normally $45 - special to first four orders - $30

swamp ophelia - promo import vinyl

        normally $40 - special to first four orders - $25

swamp ophelia - honor the earth t-shirts - 2 for $25

honor - 2cd normally $18 - $16

rites of passage test pressing vinyl - all white sleeve and label $40

rites of passage official tour program - $12

joking cd single - $12

that's it for now! first two orders of $50 or more get a free shaming of
the sun calender. as always, i will have a current list of collectibles on
my web site: http://www.moonbase.com/fortunateones. mail to reserve any of
the above items, or for questions/comments/jokes/etc. postage is extra.
hope all is well on this shaming of the sun week!

we are fortunate ones,
joe

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date:         fri, 2 may 1997 00:08:23 -0400
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ok. i love the girls.  a lot.  and they sounded awesome!  but am i the only
one who felt like they were looking at

david and shirley cassidy?

whoa!  flashback to the seventies or what?

now before you flame, this isn't necessarily a bad thing.  i thought they
looked kinda funky with the retro look.  and definitely rockin as opposed to
acoustic - go girls!

maybe i'm just losing it because i've read a gazillion emails reviewing an
album i haven't received in the mail yet! =(

lori


"this is now, this is here, this is me, this is what i wanted you to see."
                                            rem

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date:         fri, 2 may 1997 00:38:02 -0400
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subject:      re: letterman (tiny igc)

dave certainly is not as funny as he used to be. but he has supported the
indigo girls for an awfully long time -- they were on his show before they
were on anyone else's network show.

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okay y'all, there has been a slight change of plan due to some technical
difficulties (which includes my server having to delete 1224 of my messages
yesterday).  because i lost all of my mail from tuesday till thursday, those
of you who voted during those days, your votes are now gone.  since your
votes do count and to be fair to everyone, please resend your vote (if you
are resending please say so in the body of the message).  if you haven't
sent in your vote, please do so.  i've extended the voting time until
sunday, so everyone still has a chance to vote.

there have been some questions as to how this whole thing was set up that i
feel really need to be addressed.  first of all, there were other
organizations mentioned during the beginning (both those who responded to me
and those who responded to the list).  when asking for people to write
letters about the different groups i wrote to one person for each
organization and asked them to let me know if they couldn't get the letter
to me and i would find someone else.  every organization that was mentioned
was supposed to have a letter, but i only recieved two on friday when i
posted to the list.  because i was going out of town that friday night i
asked someone else on the list if they could collect the "late" letters and
post them to the list.  i then wrote to those who i hadn't recieved letters
from letting them know the new plan.  no other letters were sent to the
other person or i.  while organizing this i have tried to be as fair as
possible to everybody, the people writing letters had 4-7 days to write the
letters and everyone has had a week to vote.  i want this project to be what
the list wants, not a random name drawn from a hat.

so, if you haven't sent in your votes and you want your voice heard, email
me at mandi96@airmail.net and let me know which organization you want.  the
choices are:

1) the billings house
2) youthpride

if you would like any info on these organizations write me and i will try to
get the info to you asap.

peace,
mandi

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hey y'all.

i know i have been delinquent on getting back to you all on the wheaton boot. i
just wanted to make sure that everyone who wanted to get a copy contacted me.
the quality is decent, to answer those question.  it's understandable, just a
little fuzz, not too much.  i don't want to give it a letter rating, but
probably about a b+ or a-.

so, if you haven't e-mailed me already, please do so!  i need to decide whether
or not to tree it....

kelly
kfairbairn@stonehill.edu

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date:         thu, 1 may 1997 21:07:21 -0800
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at 08:51 am 5/1/97 -0500, jen wrote:
>the kd lang part was cool too, but what's with the hair!!  yuck!

it was a wig...thank gawd! i rotflmao when i watched it! oh kd....*swoon*
don't get me started.. ;)

and about the episode as a whole, i agree with a previous post that the
subject was handled in such a mature, 'clean' manner...nothing even remotely
shocking, no 'inappropriately gay' stuff happening (the 'fondling' or
kissing that a lot of 'family entertainment' advocates were worried
about...and please notice the ''s and don't flame me assuming these are my
views or opinions!). i was laughing one minute and crying the next...but
bursting with pride throughout the entire show. good for ellen...i just wish
i were as brave! *sigh*

mary e.

p.s. melissa's clip was a riot!!! but i was expecting her to sing for some
reason...i thought i had read that she was to sing with ellen during the
opening credits (as has been the custom in past episodes with musical artist
guest stars)...oh well...this lil skit was worth missing that! :)


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eichman@polarnet.com      i feel i've been running for miles
mary t. eichman            happy times don't last long
po box 55753                i finally got there
north pole, alaska           and it's too late to smile"
99705-5753
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anyone find it really coincidental that ig are on rosie with alec baldwin...just like on letterman??  weird...

jennifer w.

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on thu, 1 may 1997, scott wm eastman wrote:
> if i'm not mistaken, "harriet the spy" is more than just a recent
> nickolodeon movie.  it's been a "must read" children's book for some
> time.  i think the reference sounds weird because of our being exposed
> to the movie (so it, in turn, makes the reference sound commerical or
> cheesy).  however, it we didn't have the movie (and i'd bet that the
> song was written before the film) that the reference would be
> mysteriously cool and have all of us scrambling to figure it out.

i know i've probably posting way too much lately, but i have totally been
on hyper overdrive since sots.  harriet the spy is quite possibly my
favorite book.  i got it when i was home sick from school when i was 6 (15
years ago) and i have read it many, many times since.  because of that book,
i started writing a diary at a very young age, and was constantly unnerving my
parents by hiding under tables, etc. so i could spy on them.  i have the
book with me here at college, as a matter of fact, although it is about
to fall apart.

so, i love the reference to harriet in caramia- way to go emily.  hmmmm,
that brings up an interesting issue that's related to the privacy thing.
the plot of harriet the spy is built around what happens when her friends
get a hold of her notebook and read it...  :)  maybe emily identifies
with that.

katherine

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one more thing, nick did write a letter for save the music and due to
computer problems (this time not on my part, for once), the letter was not
received by me or the other person who was taking over for me.  so, i've
asked nick to resend the letter to the list instead of resending to me for
me to post to it the list, just to save time.  if you want to vote for save
the music, write to me at manid96@airmail.net and i'll add ya to the vote.
i'm also going to go ahead and repost the letters about the organizations.

have a great day everybody!

peace,
mandi

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once you have read this letter and decide if you want this organization to
be the one we support for emily's b'day email me at mandi96@airmail.net and
let me know that this is the one you vote for.

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"my boyfriend's sick and getting sicker and i'm an angry man,
a hospital bed and treatment is all that we demand.
and they give us that run-around health insurance scam,
we spent our last dime on insurance, and now we find that we get damned.
'cause when you really need the help, you find its cancelled from the plan
and they leave you to home remedies and homemade bedpans.
these are the unheard voices."
                                -- gerard mchugh


        imagine seeing your best friend suffering everyday with aids, and
then going through what you would think are all the right channels to try
and help him/her in any way possible, but, only to find that these
channels apply for everything but aids.

        this was basically the situation jenny wiesel found herself in.
she lost her best friend, pete billings, to aids in 1990.  he was a
successful business man, had just about everything he wanted, and then he
contracted aids.  eighteen months after he quit his job, his health
insurance company dropped him, leaving him in a rut.  jenny, who's a nurse
in oncology, was familiar with hospices for cancer patients.  she tried
getting him into a similar program for aids patients.  but, unfortunately,
there was no aids hospice available that accepted medicaid or medicare.

        jenny felt that the 65,000 people with full-blown aids in atlanta,
people who were in the same position as pete billings was, needed and
deserved better treatment and more attention, and should not get lost in
the woodwork of a very political health care system.  so, the idea for the
billings house was born.

        the billings house, which is in its second year of existence,
provides residential hospice care for indigent aids patients (man, woman,
or child) in atlanta.  these are basically people who are in the last
stages of the disease, and who just want to die at home with some
dignity.

        because of the billings house, people with aids receive all
different types of care from hospice teams.  patients receive spiritual
guidance for pretty much every denomination possible.  both patients and
their families are provided with psychological support from both
psychologists and msws.  the billings house also provides 24-hour nursing,
meals (in cooperation with project open hand), and legal counseling for
such things as foster care for the patients' children.  the billings house
also helps get patients on medicare and medicaid, which then enables them
to receive the proper medical treatment in coordination with grady
hospital in atlanta.

        they do have a physical location down in atlanta in coordination
with atlanta hospice international.  that will house 10 beds, as well as a
community family support center, which will provide services such as
after-death counseling.

        i know that this is a lot of information, and i know that i'm
leaving some stuff out because i just couldn't write down all of the
information that jenny so nicely shared with me, but y'all will hopefully
get the gist of what the billings house is, what it helps provide, and how
important it is.  if i were ever in jenny's situation and had to watch my
best friend fight for her life while the system was pretty much working
against her, i can just imagine the extreme frustration and anger i'd
feel.  the logistics of everything should be the last thing on patients'
minds.  but, jenny had the strength to do something about it, to help
offer a solution, to speak up for those who are in a situation where it is
very easy to just give up.  the billings house, like a "comforting hand",
offers hope as well as help to those who so desperately need it in their
fight to just see another sunrise.

        you can help the billings house in its cause.  donations can be
sent to:

the billings house
1634 ponce de leon avenue n.e.
suite 504
atlanta, ga 30307

if you are in the atlanta area and are willing to volunteer your time and
work with one of the hospice teams, just give jenny a call at (404)373-2693.

        now, what does the billings house have to do with emily?  well, as
many of you already know, last august, emily and a whole bunch of other
artists got together for a benefit concert, rock for aids 2.  indigo girls
also performed at the original rock for aids in 1995.  the money raised
from both events went towards the billings house.  emily is also its
honorary chairperson.  but, her reasons for involvement with the billings
house seem to go beyond the social awareness and political activism we
normally associate with her.  pete billings was also a dear friend of
hers.

        i wish y'all could have heard the appreciation in jenny's voice,
just because we even thought of the billings house for this b-day
project.  she was extremely touched, and she assured me that emily would
be, as well.  the billings house is a project that is very close to them
emotionally, and i know that any help we gave would not go unappreciated.
but, to me, this is more than just a gift for the billings house in
emily's name.  it's for the 65,000 people with aids in atlanta, it's for
the thousands who will be diagnosed with hiv this year, it's for those who
speak for the "unheard voices".

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hello everyone on the list.
i'm going to copy some info here
about youthpride, which is one of the organizations to which we're
considering donating money for emily's b'day.  shirley adams, who is in
charge of fundraising, sent me this information. it is all reproduced by
permission.


youthpride atlanta: because no one should grow up invisible or alone.

what is youthpride?
youthpride is an organization founded in 1995 to address the needs of gay,
lesbian and bisexual youth and young adults.  an invisible or alienated
minority, they describe feelings of difference, shame and confusion, and
often experience isolation or hostility from their peers.  it was felt to
be important for the community to address the needs and concerns of these
young people.  therefore, the purpose of youthpride is to enhance the
developmental prospects of gay, lesbian and bisexual youth through support
services, outreach and educational interventions.  members of youthpride
come from many counties within georgia and are diverse in race, ethnicity,
gender and age.

what does youthpride do?
-support group (ages 13-18)
-personal growth group (ages 18-24)
-social events
-youthpride helpline
-educational workshops and seminars
-speakers bureau
-community outreach
-wilderness leadership courses through atlanta outward bound center

youthpride's phone number: (404) 815-9965
youthpride helpline (glb youth outreach and support. thurs and fri
evenings from 6 p.m. to 10 p.m.): (404) 892-1122  (all calls are
confidential)

for people above the age of 24 who want to help can volunteer time or
donate money. checks should be made payable to youthpride and sent to
        youthpride atlanta
        p.o. box 15448
        atlanta, ga 30333

---------------------------------
shirley also sent a copy of the youthpride atlanta times, but i won't type
out the whole thing.  she said that a web page will be up in about 3 or 4
weeks from now.
here's a summary of the winter 1997 issue:
-once a month, yp hosts a free coffee house social at kalo's coffee house.
over 50 yp members and gay teens attended the first one, which was in
december. doria roberts, "chuck," and angela motter have played at some of
these events.
-[i'm gonna type this section out...]
        yp weekly support groups
  attending one of youthpride's weekly support groups for gay, lesbian and
bisexual youth is for many yp members the only support they receive
regarding their sexual orientation.
  for teenagers who realize they are gay, lesbian, or bisexual, there are
few safe havens.  adults in schools and religious institutions frequently
deny that gays and lesbians exist in schools, while condemning
homosexuality publicly.  g/l/b youth often feel shamed and vulnerable in
the very places where they should feel the safest.  thus, yp feels
offering weekly support to its members is one of the most valuable
services it can provide.
  for chan, 17, yp member, youthpride "provides me one of the few safe
places for gay youth to be as they are."  weekly, yp offers a youth
support group for ages 13-18, and a personal growth group for youth and
young adults ages 18-24.  each group is lead by a masters level mental
health professional.
  according to noah, group member, 16, "youthpride is the highlight of my
whole week."  many of the group memebers who attend each week say that
without yp support groups, they would have nowhere else to turn.  in her
own words, lela, 16, "i can read books and hear the words it's ok to be
gay, but the most powerful thing is to be surrounded by people who have,
not the answers, but the questions."
  youthpride atlanta has completed its first full year serving gay,
lesbian and bisexual youth in the metro-atlanta area.  we have grown from
one support to three, and into 1997, we hope to further provide the
resources and outreach needed for atlanta's g/l/b youth...
--

youthpride founder stephanie swann: a profile.
  atlanta-founded in 1995, youthpride atlanta was born when child and
adolescent therapist stephanie swann, m.s.w., began noticing that there
were many gay, lesbian and bisexual teenageers coming into her community
health clinic struggling with issues stemming more from societal
homophobia rather than intrapsychic issues.
  stephanie began youthpride by leading a support group weekly for g/l/b
youth.  now, just 2 years later, youthpride atlanta [which from now on
will be written ypa] has grown to serve more than 300 g/l/b teenagers and
young adults with weekly support groups, a telephone helpline, and monthly
social gatherings.  more than 40 volunteers give their time, energy and
considerable talent to youthpride.
  present at almost any yp functoin is stephanie.  stephanie's drive and
devotion to ypa is self-evident and with enthusiasm she gives her time and
attentions to the growth and direction of yp.  whether marching with "her
kids" in atlanta's annual gay pride march or running a support group, it's
obvious that for stephanie yp is a labor of love.
  stephanie's intense focus revolves around her recognition of a need for
a resource such as youthpride because in her words "there are many gay,
lesbian, and bisexual teenagers out there...people don't necessarily
become homosexual when they reach adulthood."  giving g/l/b youth a chance
to affiliate with their peer group, stephanie believes, allows yp members
a chance to explore their sexuality as heterosexual youth do.
  subsequently, atlanta's g/l/b youth and young adults now have a place to
go to for support rather than suffer in silence and isolation...
....
  stephanie's vision for yp includes both short and long term goals.  it
is her hope that yp continues to "reach people that we need to reach, that
the helpline remains strong, and that we continue to build the social
events aspect of our organization."
  long term plans call for a freestanding building that will potentially
house a variety of programs for teenage g/l/b youth to include a drop-in
center as well as provide a safe space for a wide variety of soical
gatherings.  with fearless leadership and the spirit of volunteerism
alive, the future of ypa is in good hands, allowing it to continue to grow
and help those who need its services most.
-------------------------
the newsletter goes on to describe the "out and proud" conference (at
which emily spoke), and there's an article about a group at a local hs
called b.a.h.g.l. pride which was founded 2 years ago by members of yp.

-------------------------
on a related note,

youthpride fundraiser compilation album

the "thrive" album is a cd compilation album with atlanta/athens artists.
the artists with tracks on the album are:
indigo girls (title is "center stage")
several rock groups: 3 lb thrill; big fish ensemble; viva la diva; josh
joplin band; the fountains; shock lobo
plus belloluna; the tender idols.

also, there's a listening party on may 4th at st. agnes tea garden from
4-7 p.m. the cds won't be ready for another month or more.
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due to some technical difficulties on my part this letter was postponed,
sorry y'all.  you probably know the deal, if you like this organization and
want to support it for emily's b'day present let me know at
(mandi96@airmail.net).
peace,
mandi

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mandi asked me to tell y'all a little bit about youthpride from my own
perspective.  whether we decide to donate money to yp or to another
organization, i hope you will all consider donating something to yp
regardless, if you have money (or time) to give.
as you know, yp is an atlanta-based organization that provides support
for l/g/b youth and young adults during a time when they might not find
support elsewhere.  yp is close to my heart because i was in it from the
very beginning.  during my time at a very conservative high school, i
found a safe space for personal growth and acceptance at the yp support
groups, and i was also able to build a strong network of supportive
friends.  it's really exciting being a part of a group like that and
watching individuals as they grow out of their confusion and shame and
into individuals who are proud to accept themselves.  once i hit age 19, i
moved up to "the older group," where i continued to make new friends and
grow.  i haven't been to a support group in awhile, but i think it's
because i learned and grew so much during the 1.5 years when i attended
those meetings.  yp is a pretty inspirational thing, b/c it is a
grassroots organization that grew out of one woman's concern for an
often invisible minority. it's wonderful how much yp has grown in less
than 2.5 years, and practically everything from personal time to space has
been donated.  unfortunately, not everything is free.  for youthpride to
continue to grow and provide support for those who need it, they need out
help.  shirley adams, the woman in charge of fund-raising, told me that yp
is currently trying to raise enough money to hire a part-time director and
to plan more programming for youth.  ultimately, yp also wants to have its
own building where there will be a library and a social space and a
"drop-in center," etc.  right now, the metropolitan community church of
atlanta donates space to youthpride for its weekly meetings, and kalo's
coffeehouse donates space for the monthly social gatherings.
if y'all have any more questions about yp, please e-mail me at
jgold16@emory.edu and i'd be happy to fill you in.
   peace,
      julie

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subject:      re: sots, letterman, etc:  *happy sigh*
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on thu, 1 may 1997, tracy - back home with her mountain wrote:
> banjo!!"  cracked me up.  anyhow, just keep in mind how much worse it could
> have been.   <reassuring hugs to gwen>
>
oh yeah, it definately could have been worse.  my only point is that he's
just not funny.

and actually, while i'm on the topic, i've been reading a lot of dismay
over the fact that he made lesbian jokes and whatnot...and i didn't think
they were partucularly tasteless or bad, the first time...i just had
forgotten his annoying habit of repeting the same 2 jokes throughout the
entire show, ad nauseum.  i remember my older brother trying to get me to
like letterman back about ten or so years ago, and i did try...but i never
have thought he was funny.  lesbian jokes were totally expected, and given
the media hype, actually rather called for.  the alec baldwin "hey i'm a
lesbian!" thing is old old old. it's just that when i see stuff like this
i can't help but transport myself into non-american shoes and think, "god
these yanks sure are asses!"  so i was rather embarrassed for the girls
that they had to put up with his buffoonery, but i assume they get paid
pretty well for it and they looked like they were having fun, so i doubt
they minded it that much.

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i don't want what is best for you, where will i be when you've found
it?  i pray a lot about these bad feelings inside but i can't pray my way
through or around it.--emily saliers
*****gwen keyt******
seattle pacific university
bsn class of 1997!!!
gkeyt@paul.spu.edu

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subject:      re: sys, hkf
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on thu, 1 may 1997, dennis gregorovic wrote:

> hkf - a few people on the ani difranco list said this song is about her.

amy has said that this song is about visiting friends in the pacific
northwest.  all the proper nouns in the lyrics are cities and towns in the
pacific northwest region (washington state and british columbia).

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i don't want what is best for you, where will i be when you've found
it?  i pray a lot about these bad feelings inside but i can't pray my way
through or around it.--emily saliers
*****gwen keyt******
seattle pacific university
bsn class of 1997!!!
gkeyt@paul.spu.edu

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subject:      july branch of fw --- please read

go ahead and hit the delete key if you are not the july branch-sorry about the
bandwidth but i need this person to e-mail me. my message to you keeps
bouncing back.

thanks much,
cami

love the new cd!!   i am finding myself becoming more of an emily person :-)
great stuff here -- a new level for both of them i think!

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date:         fri, 2 may 1997 02:19:06 -0500
reply-to:     sarikins <s-laufer@nwu.edu>
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subject:      i love my roomie!!!!
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after i bitched to y'all about how i can't get the cd, my roomie came home
and told me she bought and she's gonna leave it here when she goes home for
the weekend. there go my plans for studying!!! but now i'm soooo energized
that i can study for a few more hours:-)
get out the map is on now. sooooo cute!!!!!!


sari, who is gleefully smiling and bouncing around the room!


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if you're going to be degenerate, you might as well be a lady about it.
                -armistead maupin
sari laufer
northwestern university
s-laufer@nwu.edu

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has anyone else noticed that the first word of caramia(caramia, duh)) is
exactly the same notes used in part of "i don't know how to love him," as
performed by amy.

just a random note.

sari, still smiling away and studyin' her hebrew.

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sari laufer
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for southern cal folks,

saw an ad for the long beach pride festival (may 17-18 in, uh, long
beach) and michelle malone is listed as one of the performers.  there are
some other ig - associated people listed too, including disappear fear and
mrs. fun.    they have a web page http://www.longbeachpride.com/

so far no time schedules, just descriptions of the performers.  if anyone
sees an actual schedule, please post it or reply to me or something.

has anybody seen my monster?
alison

a dog, a plan, a canal -  pagoda!                alisont@netcom.com

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from:         cathy haslam <has@lam.sonnet.co.uk>
subject:      looking for jude... (nigc)

sorry to bother everyone else, this is a message for jude:

could you please email me again with your address in the body of the text, my
computer didn't pick it up first time around and i'd like to take you up on
your offer.

thanks, cathy

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hey everyone,

has anyone else out there noticed that the tracks
on 1200c are cued in a slightly weird and
wonderful way?

try this: put in disc 2, flip through the tracks
until you get to "mystery".  hold down the
"fast-rewind" button and watch the display... while
you're rewinding, the timer count will go *up*.
let go of the button and while the conversation is
playing, the timer count will go down again.  in
effect, the "there's a small child asleep up here"
conversation is a hidden track (like the beatles
song on lucy kaplansky's latest album :).

the same thing happens before ctf, i think (i was
driving at the time so it was a little hard to watch
the cd player) and probably other places on the album
(po2 comes to mind as another likely spot).

it's obvious that this has been done so that the
beginnings of tracks will coincide with the
beginnings of songs (which makes it all the more
easy for us to make mix tapes!).  it just struck me
as incredibly nifty when i noticed it. :)  (does
anyone know if this little trick screws up the
function that reads the length of the disc?  or is
that information stored separately?)

oh, and here's another question: is "jesus" a fairly
common sort of name among mexican/mexican americans?
(sorry if that's not the right terminology.)  it's
just that i feel that the line "me and jesus, we're of
the same heart" could be taken two ways:
1) "me and jesus, the son of god", or
2) "me and jesus, the guy down at the mexican trailer
    park"

or maybe i'm reading too much into it, i don't know.

happy happy, peoples, :)
sherlyn
=-=-=-=-=-=-=- sherlyn koo - sherlyn@fl.net.au -=-=-=-=-=-=-=
"let the door swing open, let your actions speak;
  let your heart beat crazy, let your knees get weak..."
                              - carrie newcomer

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date:         fri, 2 may 1997 03:32:18 -0500
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subject:      my boot list...nigc
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those that wanted my boot list can now see it in its at-the-present-time
entirety...the page will be constantly updated whenever i recieve a new
tape...and it's under construction, so don't gag because it sucks..this
is my first attempt at html :) bear with me...
the addy is:
http://members.wbs.net/homepages/s/a/l/salray.html
just stop in every once in a while to see what's new :) thanks...

new address: salray1@webtv.net
personal responses should be sent to this addy...

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subject:      stomp and stammer

may's issue of "stomp and stammer" has an interview with amy that touches on
the all-too-touchy "rarities/bootleg" subject.  issues are out in atlanta,
but they don't seem to have it on their web site yet.  hopefully it'll be up
soon.  the article is too long for me to type out right now.
        some issues touched on in the article are politics, illegal immigrants,
darwinism, and drugs.  interesting stuff.  i still haven't figured out why
amy and emily are on the cover, yet the article is only an interview with
amy, with only a few comments about emily.  (ie: "..it seems that emily
finally got a flattering haircut!")  oh well.  once it's put up on the
website, everyone can read it.  (www.monsterbit.com/stammer)

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hey there,

anyone looking for tickets to the sunday chastain show? had to buy a
table of six and i have two for sale - they are table tickets row 115.

so if you would like to join the chickenman, pj, chasity and myself, let
me know - it's going to be a blast :))

cheers,

penelope

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subject:      nigc- a messgae to anyone who emailed me...

hey y'all-
sorry to all those who tried to e-mail me and got a lovely message to the
effect of "this mail box is full."  i was away consumed by some issues in the
non-internet world and neglected the list.  as such, having almost 800
emails, i went delete happy.  i did check for any private emails and read
some of the mail but most of it is lost.  anyway- point being (and sorry for
the waiste of bw) i'd love to hear what you have to say. (especially all
those concerning current boot trades...he he!)  so guess what- my mail box is
fresh and clean!!!!!
take care
-emily i.indigo-girls@netspace.org

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from:         john bond <bonj1_95@worc.ac.uk>
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subject:      uk stuff

i checked at my local hmv yesterday (a fairly small one), and they
said they were going to be open on bank holiday monday - so i can go
and pick up sots on the day of release :-)!!!!

and one, private election thing -

oh yessss!!!! labour are in!!!!!

thanks,
john.


"just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you"

mulder to scully, the x files

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subject:      eastearn/christian philosophy

funny, i get a very jewish/eastern european feel from "everything in its own
time"... given the music, the haunted melodies, refs to ecc. (old test) and
white haired men, sons around the table, etc.

<<  > i keep getting these little references to very eastern-feeling
philosophy
> in "everything in its own time" -- does anyone else get this?  or know if
> emily started reading some?  it might just be me, 'cause it feels like i
> find it in just about anything these days...

<< i don't think it's specifically eastern philosophy--- if anything, i'd say
it sounds more christian/native american influenced. "everything in its
own time"--- cf ecclesiastes: "for everything there is a season, and a
time for every purpose under heaven." also the reference to "a loving
god"--- which is something that afaik is a specifically western/christian
idea. "we own nothing, nothing is ours" is more of an eastern-influenced
idea,
but it's also a native american one too... >>

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good morning all!  this made me laugh...i thought it was a joke, but it's
not...i forgot i was on the birkenstock email list.....enjoy, and

happy clog day everyone!

(ig on rosie and clog day all in one day....it just doesn't get any better
than this, does it?  ;o)

>date: fri, 02 may 1997 00:18:13 -0800
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     august 19th at the marcus

     tickets on sale may 10th. new rock 102.1 said the girls will be
     there...woo woo...

     kira

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on sale may 2nd:
july 9th  st paul, or -- champoeg state park amp
aug 7th cincinatti --  lilith fair / riverbend

on sale may 3rd:
june 5th holmdel, nj -- garden state arts center

also confirmed (beside the previously mentioned by kira milwaukee date):
aug 9th tinely park, il -- lilith fair / world theatre
on sale may 31st

deb

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okay...i tried to send this yesterday but for some reason thought the
iglist was a com instead of an org, what was i thinking, anyway, even
though it's a day later, could those of you not on the darlist and who
want to do this send my brother a happy-bday message?  to prove how cool
he is i will quote him:
'oh my god suzi i am trying to win sots off of the radio!  i keep running
down the stairs yelling, "give me the phone!  give me the phone!"  i can't
wait to have it!  i was driving down the highway yesterday and almost
wrecked when soy came on the radio!  i was swerving all over the place,
singing "lalalala shame on you!"'
that's my bro!
here's the original message:
**********************************************************************
hi y'all,
on the dar list i know i already asked if kind people would do this but
i'm reasking, plus sending this to the iglist (hey kind friends!),
would people please send my ultra-cool, turning 17-today, younger brother
who listens to dar and the girls, happy birthday messages?

his address is aaimcbyb@aol.com

and his name is mike steffen, and he's just, well, a fab-o person.

thanks everyone, sorry about the ndc and nigc but mike is just so darn
cool i had to ask,
from his proud older sister
suzi
who is waiting for the shipment of her sots cassette...and still happy
about dar from sunday night.
***********************************************************************

and i'm still waiting for my cassette today...may 2...argh...and i can't
find my nis which is pissing me off because i love that album (except for
123 which i do not like....oh well).  at least i know there's an sots out
there for me somewhere.  three of the five downtown music stores in iowa
city were completely sold out two days ago.  cool, eh?  when i said, "do
yoou have a copy of the new ig cd?" and they said, "no, we're totally sold
out," i said, "yes!!!!  that's awesome!!!"  think they thought i was a
little weird.  oh well, go girls!

off to do work.

from rainy iowa city,
love,
suzi

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just wondering if anybody out there more up on his/her history could
enlighten me about the 1694 date reference in soy?  is it the date of a
spanish landing in mexico or something, or is it a case or poetic license?
thanks for any help figuring out what this date means!
jessica

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hi ig friends...i lost my resolve yesterday and logged back on the list to
hear everyone's discussion about sots.  i love it so much.  at first i
thought sys was weird but then it started to grow on me  now it is one of
my favorite songs, but i still would like to know what 115 is. and i still
don't like the line in caramia "you hurt my feelings" **absolutely no
offense meant** because i love the rest of the song, but that line sounds
slightly whiny.  okay, that was real positive for my first post in a long
time, i apologize.  what i wanted to say was really that i absolutely love
the cd, it has not found its way out of my player all week.

as for letterman, i took his jokes with a grain of salt.  what i really
wanted to say about their letterman performance was this, and i apologize
if it's already been said, i haven't been on the list in awhile:  did you
guys notice the side shot of amy during the la la la's with a close-up on
her face that showed her tongue?  sorry, that was just a little *um*
exciting.

last but not least, ellen was fabulous, we screamed, cheered, whoooped,
laughed, cried.  some of those smiles in the airport scene were so
genuine, they were not ellen morgan smiles, they were ellen degeneres
smiles.  i loved it.  thanks for reading, i miss the list!

:) marianne
the lone coyote

~o~
-=|=-   "eager, i embraced your pleas as you catechized me,
/_\     we don't eat meat, we don't eat cheese, out in the country.
((      love was fresh like vegetables, everything seemed healthy,
         life was rich and made me feel prosperous and wealthy."
                        --kristen hall

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p.s.  i can't forget about someone on the list who said they thought the
lyrics in caramia were "hairy at the spine" instead of harriet the spy.  i
think of it every time i hear that part.

lots of talk from someone who isn't even on the list anymore!

p.p.s. i miss you guys, if you want to respond to me, please write
privately because i think i will sign off again periodically.

:) marianne
the lone coyote

~o~
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/_\     we don't eat meat, we don't eat cheese, out in the country.
((      love was fresh like vegetables, everything seemed healthy,
         life was rich and made me feel prosperous and wealthy."
                        --kristen hall

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i can't believe it. they actually are playing soy on the mix here in
chicago on a regular basis! all of you chicagoans, tune into 101.9!

jen

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maybe i watched a different night of television then everyone else.

  why is is funny when ellen does a whole show about lesbians but
when letterman does it he's a jerk?  the ig still played on
the version of the show they showed here in san francisco so i doubt
if they were that offended.


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at 05:25 pm 5/1/97 -0700, verdi@imap2.asu.edu wrote:
>    yes, i'm not even a lesbian i was offended by letterman last night.

well, i am a lesbian, and y'all are starting to make me think that maybe we
really *don't* have senses of humor! :)  i wasn't offended, i thought it
was just a bunch of silliness.

>actually he wasn't as half as offensive as alec baldwin was. what a
>cocky...well never mind.

alec baldwin is a very intelligent man who is as politically aware and
active as ig are.  he's been very outspoken about many liberal causes.  he
was just going with the flow of dave's show.

>at least his jokes could have been funny and
>what's this outing about five people on national television.

good lord, those were jokes!!!  sheesh.

>      lastly, i got the calender...big whoop. it's the size of     a
>quarter.

actually, it's the size of a cd booklet.

> for those who don't have it don't worry. it's not worth the hassle.

i disagree; did you read it, or just look at the pictures?

=-=-=-=

i thought amy was so happy playing soy on the late show because she's
thinkin', "*finally* we get to sing one of *my* songs on nat'l television." :)

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at 08:20 am 5/1/97 -0700, michael madin wrote:
>"it's alright if you... hate me cause i'm gay
> truth of the matter come around one day so it's alright"
>
>i hope she is right but to me this is alwrong. hate is not all right.

i don't really think that emily thinks hate is all right.  i think the
point is that she's not going to live her life worrying about other
people's hang-ups.

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at 05:22 pm 5/1/97 -0700, andy s. boettcher wrote:
>hey- wasn't ig supposed to be on the cover of tower's pulse magazine this
>month?

yes, that's what sue kwan <skwan@midway.uchicago.edu> had posted:

"the girls will be on the cover of the may edition of tower records pulse
magazine.  they just shot the pictures for the magazine this past monday in
new york."

:( did you check to see if there were any articles inside?  maybe they just
didn't make the cover.

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re: "harriet the spy"... apparently, that children's book struck a chord
with many lesbians growing up, as discussed at different times on 2
different lesbian mailing lists i'm on.  harriet is a lesbian icon! :)

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does anyone know if the lilith is coming to great woods, tentatively?  and
if so, about when?  i heard mid-late august, but that was a while ago.

also, can anyone tell me if the ppv ig show at great woods is going to be
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on fri, 2 may 1997, dave mangot wrote:

> maybe i watched a different night of television then everyone else.
>
>   why is is funny when ellen does a whole show about lesbians but
> when letterman does it he's a jerk?  the ig still played on
> the version of the show they showed here in san francisco so i doubt
> if they were that offended.
>
(ahem)

could i have an 'amen' for dave?

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excerpts from mail: 2-may-97 nigc - ellen/letterman by dave mangot@netcom.com
>   why is is funny when ellen does a whole show about lesbians but
> when letterman does it he's a jerk?


perhaps it the manor in which is was handled.  an hour *plot* is funny
when carried out.  an hour of overkill is no longer as funny....


renee

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when this question came up last year, the concensus seemed to be that 1694
rhymes with  (sort of) with "car", and that the reason she says that is to
say "we're all immigrants of some sort." if this is what we actually came
up with, should it be added to the faq?? just wonderin.

on fri, 2 may 1997, jessica wrote:

> just wondering if anybody out there more up on his/her history could
> enlighten me about the 1694 date reference in soy?  is it the date of a
> spanish landing in mexico or something, or is it a case or poetic license?
> thanks for any help figuring out what this date means!
> jessica
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???? wrote and deb responded....

>>>>>>lastly, i got the calender...big whoop. it's the size of a
>>>>>>quarter.
>
(deb) actually, it's the size of a cd booklet.
>
>>>>>>for those who don't have it don't worry. it's not worth the hassle.
>
(deb) i disagree; did you read it, or just look at the pictures?

...and actually, the back of the calendar cover is the continuation of the
picture of a&e walking in the desert which is on the digipack's lyric sheet
...so, for those of you who are bummed because the lyric sheet is glued
into the inside of the digipack and you can't see the whole picture....
well, if you could get your hands on the calendar, you'd see the whole
picture without destroying your digipack, so it *is* a big whoop,
imho.........

now, for a little free advertisement for the 98.5/mama kin boot.....no
flames, it's just a temp sig file....just for this post....ok?

have a good one!

joni  :o)
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dj: "you guys want to do the new one, play the new one live?
emily: "don't *you* want to play the new one?"
dj: "whatever you like..."
emily: "hmmmmmmm....ummmmm....(to amy) what do you want to do?"
dj: "whatever...you guys are the boss here..."
amy: "it's up to you..."
emily: "we're the boss.....? (amy starts quietly strumming.....)
dj: "what do you guys think....should they do it live?" (amy starts playing)
emily: "here it comes...it's called 'shame on you'"
amy: "it's just like a party in here!"
emily: "ahhhhhh"
amy: "hehehehehe...."
emily: "that's the way we like it...mariachi band going...(bdddddwwweep!)
amy: "my friends they wash their windows....."

                                                mix 98.5 interview 4/17/97
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okay. i realized my own mistake. emily's singing of caramia's first notes
corresponds to emily's singing of "i don't know how to love him," not amy's.

sari

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at 10:47 pm 5/1/97 -0700, gwendigo wrote:
>on thu, 1 may 1997, dennis gregorovic wrote:
>
>> hkf - a few people on the ani difranco list said this song is about her.
>
>amy has said that this song is about visiting friends in the pacific
>northwest.  all the proper nouns in the lyrics are cities and towns in the
>pacific northwest region (washington state and british columbia).
>


she also said in some boot or another (roseland? i don't know.)  that this
song was about following a band around.  and she did tour with ani for a
little while, didn't she? so that's why people think it's about ani.

corinne
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>excerpts from mail: 2-may-97 nigc - ellen/letterman by dave mangot@netcom.com
>>   why is is funny when ellen does a whole show about lesbians but
>> when letterman does it he's a jerk?
>
>
>perhaps it the manor in which is was handled.  an hour *plot* is funny
>when carried out.  an hour of overkill is no longer as funny....

ummm that's how letterman does his show _everynight_. overkill is his
calling card.

agreeing with with the three d's (dave, deb and drew)

deb

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why do so many on this list seem to not get sarcasm?

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i gotta say, i just could not stop laughing at that show...rosie singing
along to galileo would've been enough, but then skipping around rop and
singing--with amy & emily sitting right there--bits of love will come to
you and three hits was just so great!  i mean it's not like she learned
those from the radio.....

(and i loved seeing emily's face....it's exciting to see how excited she
still gets when people know her songs that well :)

later,
audrey

p.s.  i've now (finally!) heard *all* the songs on sots.  a few quick
comments:

"get out the map get out the map lay your finger anywhere down" has
replaced "got my paper and i was free" as my graduation anthem.

there are a lot of good adjectives i can use for a lot of amy's songs,
but hey kind friend is the first one where all i can say is "beautiful."
i'll be crying to this song.....

burn all the letters hit really close to home.  as i think back to the
feelings of having my bunkmates read my diary when i was fifteen i want
to buy a safe and print all my emails then delete them from my account
and lock them in a safe....but is a safe even safe enough?  the song
speaks to a lot of what we're all going to have to deal with more and
more as the internet plays a larger and larger role in all our lives.
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>
> >      lastly, i got the calender...big whoop. it's the size of     a
> >quarter.
>
> actually, it's the size of a cd booklet.
>
> > for those who don't have it don't worry. it's not worth the hassle.
>
> i disagree; did you read it, or just look at the pictures?
>


well i'd love to get ahold of one of those calendars...

> =-=-=-=
>
> i thought amy was so happy playing soy on the late show because she's
> thinkin', "*finally* we get to sing one of *my* songs on nat'l
television." :)
>

now don't forget touch me fall on conan o'brien a few years back...

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>>> hkf - a few people on the ani difranco list said this song is about her.
>>
>>amy has said that this song is about visiting friends in the pacific
>>northwest.  all the proper nouns in the lyrics are cities and towns in the
>>pacific northwest region (washington state and british columbia).
>>
>
>
>she also said in some boot or another (roseland? i don't know.)  that this
>song was about following a band around.  and she did tour with ani for a
>little while, didn't she? so that's why people think it's about ani.

it's pretty safe to say she wrote the song while being a groupie on the ani
tour, but it's open to debate whether the song is strictly about ani. at
the austin show amy said sara lee was one of the "kind friends." it's quite
possible (and credit should be given to susan and jocelyn for this) that
each section of the song is about different friends.

deb

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first of all, let me just say.....go rosie!!  despite all the hype
recently with her gay/lesbian comments, she's still a hell of a lot
better than letterman could ever dream of being!!  i just finished
watching her here in the hub city of lubbock, texas and she rocked!  i'm
sure we all could have done without alec baldwin and his "breakfast
treats"....that poor swedish woman!  i must say, i'm very proud of
rosie's taste in music!  at one point when they came back from
commercial, john mcd and the mcdlt were playing a little tune, as
usual...  rosie said, "hey!  that's shawn colvin, isn't it?  i love her!"
wooohoooo!! :):)  annnd....she knew the words to several of the girls'
songs!  she sang along with galileo, three hits, and a couple others!
she also mentioned that she'd gone to one of their concerts a few weeks
ago (don't remember where! sorry!) and was looking around saying, "hey!
hey!  anyone recognize me??"  and all the fans were like, "shhhhh!!  it's
amy and emily!!  <loud screaming>"  heheheh :)  i just thought that was
cute...little rosie put in her place at an ig concert!!  yeah! :)
amyray, for those of us who didn't think they would, they actually did
sing shame on you....the fuckin' up part was slightly muted or
something...  i couldn't tell if amy just sang it under her breath or if
the sound techs actually smugged it...  shrug!  who cares?!?!  it was
awesome!  i still wish rosie had asked them to sing
another.....sigh....but, cest la vie!

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very cool observation that caramia begins the way idkhtlh (wow, what an abreviation)
starts...but not to be nitpicky, emily sang that, not amy.  it wouldn't bother me except
that that song is my favorite from the play.

alisa...who is now going to go home and listen to caramia while humming idkhtlh

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okay, i didn't tape the show like some of you, so i can't go back and do an
analysis of who smiled at who when, etc., but all in all, i thought it was a
great performance.  they did soy with jerry, sara, and somebody-or-other
playing guitar on the other side of amy.  it was a rockin' version for that
hour of the morning.  amy and em looked pretty happy to be there (well, as
happy as they can ever be, being on a talk show -- that can't be their
favorite part of the job).  sulli even got on camera, running up to grab
emily's guitar as they cut to commercial break (only from being on this list
would i be able to identify the back of her head in a 2-second blur!  anybody
else spot her?).

rosie knew a lot of their songs and sang along with some snippets on her
little jukebox (galileo, love will come to you, an amy song - sorry, can't
remember which).  emily said it was really cool to hear rosie sing along with
their songs.  rosie also said she went to their beacon show and no one
noticed her because they were all too busy screaming at amy and emily and
throwing things up on stage (proving that she understands the essence of a
live ig show ;-)).  rosie did much more talking than the girls, but at least
they got to sit in the chairs for a few minutes, unlike leno and letterman.
and she truly did seem to be a fan.

gotta put in my vote with the camp who likes amy's hair these days -- she
looked great.

heidi d. in nh

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>oh, and here's another question: is "jesus" a fairly
>common sort of name among mexican/mexican americans?
>(sorry if that's not the right terminology.)  it's
>just that i feel that the line "me and jesus, we're of
>the same heart" could be taken two ways:
> 1) "me and jesus, the son of god", or
> 2) "me and jesus, the guy down at the mexican trailer
>    park"
>
>or maybe i'm reading too much into it, i don't know.


this question has a really eloquent answer on sekou sundiata's 1997 spoken
word cd, "the blue oneness of dreams."

from "days going by in broken english"

the j in his name is an "h"
and it sounds like hey-soos
he tries to explain the difference between them
'you can be mary in america,
your name can be peter
but no matter what happens, preciosa,
you cannot be
you cannot be
you cannot be
jesus.'

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it's so nice to hear such good reviews of the rosie show today... it doesn't
come on here until 3!  now i know what to look forward to!

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hey all,

i can't remember who originally posted about seeing melissa somewhere.
anyway, i just heard she's going to be in seattle on monday, may 5 and i
was thinking about bootlegging the show, but was first wondering whether
anyone knows if she actually minds boots or what.  i wouldn't do it if she
were opposed to it at all.  so if anyone knows, please write me.

thanks!

carolyn

oh yeah, if any pnw's want to go, she'll be playing at 9pm at the
backstage, opening for lisa germano.  the tix are $8.50 in advance.  now
that's a deal!

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what's up with the rosie reviews already??? did i miss it????????? oh
god, tell me it's not true....i thought they we on at 4 pm today....
so tell me that it was just on earlier where you are....please tell
me!!

anxiously waiting for a reply....

forever indigo,
cathy

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hey there!

okay, i got a few more requests for this boot the second time i posted, so i
guess a tree would be the best.  :)

i need eight or so branches for this tree.  thanks y'all!  (i think i've been
listening to too many boots)

kelly
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were it just an hour *plot* i might agree, but it was so much more
hype hype hype hype hype hype hype hype  yada yada yada blah blah

if i never hear another word about ellen's sexual preference, it will
be too soon.  i had hoped that, once the show was in the past, we
could move on somehow...but i guess that's not going to happen.

>>   why is is funny when ellen does a whole show about lesbians but
>> when letterman does it he's a jerk?

a whole show, a whole slew of magazine, newspaper and tv appearances, at
least 5000 posts on the indigo-girls/ellen listserv...will it _ever_
end?

> perhaps it the manor in which is was handled.  an hour *plot* is funny
> when carried out.  an hour of overkill is no longer as funny....

next i suppose her and her new girlfriend will want to have a baby, and
we'll have to listen to _that_ for the next year.  i'm barely
recovered from the melissa etheridge/julie cypher baby-hype-fest...

to paraphrase mike myers:

flame on, baybee!!

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hello all,

thanks for the stomp and stammer tip, whoever posted that, that this incredible amy interview is in this month's issue. we would have gotten it anyway, but we went right away this time :-)

for those of you following the rdr saga, please note, we too, were very interested in finding out what happened, because we've spent a great deal of time and money there. we bought both early recordings cds there (as well as every cd we've bought in the last few months, and that's a lot!) although it felt a little hinky to buy illegally manufactured cds, we bought them because someone posted to the list, saying that they were speaking on perry's behalf, and said that a+e were aware of/approved of the project. so here, from the may issue of stomp and stammer, is amy's discussion of the issue. this is not the entire interview, just a piece of it, dealing with this topic, and reprinted without permission, because we can!

". . . first topic of discussion: her reaction to finding bootlegs of some early, early indigo girls recordings in an independent atlanta record store which has been very supportive of the duo over the years.

ar: "there is some stuff going on right now that i have a problem with. i'm not gonna name any stores, but when people take recordings that have already been done, and they bootleg them, and they reissue them, and make money off them, that pisses me off. like, i saw a bootleg of our ep! they don't own the license for that! epic owns the license for that, and they own it for a reason, because we wanted them to release it as b-sides, and then maybe later on down the road as part of a box set. it's like, if i wanted the thing released, we would release it! you don't take something and steal it from somebody like that, and make a lot of money off it. and it's wrong. it's wrong, period. there's no question to me about it."

jeff clark of stomp and stammer: "on the other hand, as a fan of other musicians, i'm sure you understand that desire to 'have everything' "

ar: "people bootleg our shows all the time. i have no problem with that. we expect it to happen, and it's not an issue for me . . . [but] you know, i've seen some bootlegs recently in atlanta that are reissues of tapes i made when i was in high school and college, of me and emily, that i made and gave to people as gifts. and i consider those my property. i consider them to be things that i created myself, that are not for people to sell. and when i see someone doing that, a store, you know, i'll withdraw my support for them. because it's wrong. especially if they don't ask me."

end of quoted matter.

so there you have it, the quotes should stand on their own. on the one hand, we have someone saying that they knew about it and it was okay (albeit third-party) and then on the other hand, we have amy herself addressing the issue of boots (concerts okay! yay!)  so draw your own conclusions. i know we sure have.

peace,
susan
&
jocie

"pick up my guitar and play
just like yesterday
and i get on my knees and pray
we won't get fooled again" - the amazing pete townshend

(quoting from memory here, so don't flame about pete's lyrics - you don't have to tell susan - pete rules!)

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on sunday, may 4 at 5:30 pm, dar williams is giving a free concert at tower
records on south street in philadelphia.  i'm going, so if anyone wants to
try to meet up there, let me know!

a&e were so funny on rosie!  after rosie sang "love will come to you," e
started clapping & said, "it is so cool to hear you sing our songs!"  and
then when e didn't know that commercial song, and rosie said, "okay, you
haven't been watching, i guess.  oops.  i know all your lyrics, and you
don't watch my program.  anyway, basically, amy, emily, there was a whole
month long series of comedy bits we did about that song."  in the middle of
this, a&e were cracking up & of them said, "we work during the day."  after
after rosie finished talking, e said, "oh, we must have been on the road!"
so rosie joked that they could have taped her show w/ a vcr.  hee hee...

also, did anyone notice that in leeds, it's "four pm," but in hkf, it's "3
am"?  interesting...

andi

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well, it looks like i'm no good at leaving in a huff and staying away...

some random thoughts on shaming of the sun...

1.  what does emily sing at the very end of "shame on you" right after
amy reprises the "road block tripping..." line?  em sings something
really softly, and i can't make it out.

2.  caramia...ok, to give you an idea of where i'm coming from on this
one, i grew up in new jersey and i'm in my mid-twenties....the line
"there's a sea full of faces/and a show to go on..." echoes a bon jovi
lyric..."there's a room full of smiling faces/and i rocked em all..." (or
something to that effect.)  who knew emily was a closeted "hair metal"
fan.  ;-)  seriously, i can't hear cara mia without flashing back to the
parking lot outside my high school where all the big muscle car driving
guys used to blast jovi, poison, et al and threaten to beat up us freaks
over in the corner of the lot with our husker du, rem, etc...

3.  shame on you...the illegal immigrants line echoes ani's "every state
line."  did amy play this with ani when she joined her on stage a year
or so back?

4.  leeds.  ick.  makes me think of late 70s epic arena rock ballads.
some nice sentiment, but em's lyrics are sometimes a tad "high school
diary."  i mean, "whatever this madness in me spinning like a top on a
bed of anxiety over a deep drop down into nothingness into
withoutyouness."  please.

5.  hey kind friend.  i really like this tune.  wish it was solo amy.

6.  don't give that girl a gun.  yes, yes, yes.  i think anyone, gay,
straight, bi, nonsexual, can relate to having done something that screwed
up a relationship beyond repair, regretted doing said thing, tried to fix
the relationship, failed, etc...nice song, very direct for amy, i'm sort
of reminded of the way michael stipe's lyrics sometimes get less murky
when he sings about relationships.

7.  shame on you, get out the map, it's alright...figure on these being
staples of shows for many years...i see these three songs being openers
for the band tour this summer the way galileo and three hits opened most
of the rop tour shows...

8.  i think amy's been listening to a lot of sugar and bob mould solo
accoustic records (scooter boys, shed & hkf).  we know she's a husker du
fan, but this is the first time i can recall hearing ig songs that have a
direct mould influence.

that's about it.  ob ellen comments.  i don't think i've ever actually
watched a full episode of ellen before, but the show was very funny, some
of the jokes went right over the head of most of america i think (why did
i ever rent...).  my housemate and i also watched the interview on prime
time...diane sawyer's a dork.  ellen's mom kicks tuckus.

ob letterman comments...i'm getting old, i can't really handle dave
anymore...waiting for the ig, i switched over to leno.  he hand ellen's
partner anne hect (sp?) on promoting "volcano."  that was very funny.
during the first part of the interview while they were talking about the
flick, etc.  jay kept saying things like "i can't believe how much you've
been in the news just for being in a popular movie."  he produced the usa
today picture of ellen and anne with their arms around each other
speaking to presidnet clinton.  and, anne said, "i'm not sure, we're both
with the president and he's like, 'why don't you stand together for a
picture.  two blondes, i like that.'"  ellen was backstage, and they sent
a camera back, and she was on the phone, ostensibly speaking to her
lawyer asking him for more money in order for her to keep going around
with anne until people learned to pronounce her last name right.  her
last words were, "my husband and kids are going to kill me."  :-)  jay
congratulated anne on being happy and brave, said he'd known ellen for
years and was very happy for her and anne.  i don't watch a lot of
television, but the more i see of leno, the more i'm convinced he's a
class act.

peace,
bill

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at 01:03 pm 5/2/97 -0500, cathy wrote:
>what's up with the rosie reviews already??? did i miss it????????? oh
>god, tell me it's not true....i thought they we on at 4 pm today....
>so tell me that it was just on earlier where you are....please tell
>me!!

rosie's show is syndicated so the air time varies from station to station,
city to city..."check your local listings!" :)

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i have heard alot of questions about the 1694? reference. i just took it
for granted that this was the year that we started coming over
here..(plymouth rock and etc.) so back then we were on the same
boat..immagrants as well. i'm not a history buff, so i could be very
wrong..but it is just a thought.

bjp

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for all of you pulling all-nighters for exams.....

     you know you've had too much caffeine when....

you actually complete a calculus assignment within 15 minutes.

you can't remember just climbing 10 flights of stairs.

you leave for and arrive at a class at the same minute.

you are physically unable to blink.

you can recite the entire constitution in 3 seconds.

you can drop a can of soda out the window and catch it before it hits
the ground....and you live 10 stories up.

you haven't stood still for 48 hours.

you can pronounce the ingredients in what you just drank.

typing this list at 4 am seems perfectly normal.

you're actually awake for a 7:30 class.

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check it out at http://www.wallofsound.com/

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i was thinking about someone who posted about amy being really happy her
songs were finally played on tv.  (sorry, i forget who posted that now.)
so i looked at on the road to austin & another ig complilation video boot,
& i noticed something interesting.

amy songs:
strange fire (night music)
crazy game (the real story)
cold as ice (late night atlanta)
welcome me (late night atlanta)
welcome me (the full moon show-japan)
world falls (mtv unplugged)
jonas and ezekial (cptv)
touch me fall (conan)
shame on you (letterman)
shame on you (rosie)

emily songs:
prince of darkness (night music)
southland in the springtime (the full moon show-japan)
closer to fine (mtv unplugged)
hammer and a nail (arts & entertainment revue)
hammer and a nail (cptv)
fare thee well (cptv)
power of two (leno)


now i know there are a lot more tv appearances (because i saw a tape w/ at
least 10 letterman appearances at jen's house!), but according to the ones
i have on tape, amy's songs have been on tv more than emily's.  if anyone
knows of more times they've been on tv, let me know.  now i'm curious about
this!

andi

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at 09:36 am 5/2/97 -0700, mark lichtenberger wrote:
>> i thought amy was so happy playing soy on the late show because she's
>> thinkin', "*finally* we get to sing one of *my* songs on nat'l
>television." :)

>now don't forget touch me fall on conan o'brien a few years back...

oh, yeah, i'd forgotten that (blocked it out more likely, i didn't care
much for that performance -- that rave-up drum thing is just silly!).  and
i'm trying to remember if they did "joking" on any of those shows...

gotm is the next single, right?  gotm and ia have "single" written all over
'em, but a more gutsy move would be to market sys to alternative radio...
it's still hanging on as my favorite track on sots.

i think sots is going to fall somewhere in the middle of the pack of my
rankings of ig albums overall (which is not at all bad since even my least
favorite (sf) ranks high in my cd collection overall).

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ok am i under a rock or did some one say something about a cincinnati
show? when??? where??? tall me and tell me now!!!! (please ;)

kellie
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subject:      bit of soy tab

i have figured out a little of amy's guitar solo in shame on you:

(this is how i played it anyway)

e-------------------------------
a-------------------------------
d-------------------------------
g-------------------------------
b-------------------------------
e---12--10-9-10-9-12-12-10-9-7--

that's all for now...

i am no expert on guitar tablature but i thought i'd share.

mary kushman

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hi all!
i was wondering if antone taped rosie and would be willing to make a
trade.  unfortunately, i was in school, and my gf forgot to tape it. :(
"all i've learned has been in vain, like water on a stain"
                              -amy ray
"your hatred is rooted in your fear, and your paranoia and
insecurities, well they don't belong here."
                              -amy ray
"i walk like a woman and talk like a man.  i said i am who the
fuck i am..."
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subject:      a shoulder to cry on.....

i'm sitting here at work crying, listening to sots coming out of my
mac......i have to put my dog down in an hour. he's my baby, you know?
he's in so much pain..... but i can't help grieving; knowing that it will
be for the best in the end.....
the words "take the first shot...it'll be real clean...i'm your girl strong
and mean..." keep running around in my head to no end.

thanks for listening,
libby

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i totally know what you mean about when amy sings that line gotm " i'm gonna
love you good and strong" her range has opened up so much......

does anyone notice in everything in it's own time when emily slurs the words
a little..."hold fast to that languageless connection" i think it's great
that they didn't redo it,.....i like hearing the fact that she's still human
and is allowed to mess up. they're so good you sometimes have to be reminded
of the fact that they are simply human beings.......

ilana

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ig  on the rosie show was the highlight of my day.  it was even better than i
thought it would be.  they have to be 3 of my most favoritest people in the
entertainment business today.  they all rock. i thought that they sounded
better today than on letterman though.   and they were really funny like they
always are.  and it was funny to hear rosie talk about one of their concerts.
it is seriously one of the coolest things you can ever do is to go see them
preform live.  it makes me happy that rosie is a fan.
sarah

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subject: 1694 response


        listen babe.  1694 means nothing..if it means anything at all..it
is a number of personal significance to ames or ems...why are we wasting
our time trying to analyze every goddamn word in their lyrics? chill
out..sit back and enjoy the music for what it is... appreciate it, love
it, but dont pretend tat 1694 is god's gift to nature.. maybe it's the
number of butterflies they've encuntered in their lives. so give it a
rest.  if you want to question something, question gainsville..known for
it's lack of blue lights..or better yet, question "hate me 'cause i'm
different, hate me 'cause i'm gay." what's that supposed to mean????

and if you don't think that there are undercurrents of sarcasm brimming in
this e-mail..think again.. hello! are you alive! 1694? ever hear of
columbus? that's when he discovered america!!! ahahahahahahaha!

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hiyall,
        haven't posted in about a gozillion years.  but fond memories are
coming back...neworleansjazzfest last year.  spending a wonderful
birthday with ig and such.
        it's nice to recognize some names, but i guess i'm starting from
scratcho again, so it's high time to reintroduce meself.  name is teri,
from california, hung around the list for about two years before i
diappeared last summer.

        as for the new one...hmmm...shawn colvin once said that when
experimenting, most people aren't very welcoming.  amy and emily have
experimented...after 10 listens the day it was released...my arms are
wide open.

        so who's discussing "burn all the letters" yet???

i got milagro...
teri

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hello!

i am new to the list and it's great, as i'm sure you all know.  it is
wonderful knowing that there are so many crazed ig fans, just like me.  you
guys are great!

dawn

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hey all!

love rosie! love ig! what fun!

okay, first - how many of you caught that amy flashes those "rock-on horns" with her hand just after rosie walks by at the end of the song? it's right before rosie gives emily a hug (for the emily-focused among us) we have decided to blame danielle howle for this new trend, as she did it a lot in nashville, and we've seen it since plenty from her!! it's very fun to see a beautiful woman rock out, then flash the horns!

also, how cool that amy wears a lift shirt - just a little subliminal message for the mass audience!

and emily clapping is very cute, and amy laughing in the background (although she's not on camera) was muy preciosa!

peace,
susan and jocie
(off to enjoy this beautiful weather!)

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> rest.  if you want to question something, question gainsville..known for
> it's lack of blue lights..or better yet, question "hate me 'cause i'm

gainesville in what state?

> and if you don't think that there are undercurrents of sarcasm brimming in
> this e-mail..think again.. hello! are you alive! 1694? ever hear of
> columbus? that's when he discovered america!!! ahahahahahahaha!

um, maybe i'm wrong, but i thought it was 1492.  it had to be, you know,
columbus sailed the ocean blue in 1492 or whatever that is.  and besides,
i go to william and mary, which was started in 1693, so i think columbus
was around a good 200 years before.

katherine

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hi,

if anyone is wondering why i haven't written in so long, it's because
every time i am about to weigh in on a subject, deb reiser goes and
writes exactly what i was going to say before i have a chance to do it.
it's really unfair.  really, first it was husker du, then rdr, then sots,
it's all right, letterman, etc. etc.   i know i'm a little slow because i
get the digests, but really,  it would be nice if i got to say something
once in a while.   : }

anyway, i'm going to have to go far out to come up with something she
hasn't already said.

one thing that struck me is that there is less of a and e singing
together on this album than in the past.  it sounds more like alternating
songs than a collaboration to me.

does anyone else here a similarity between this album mona bone jakon by
cat stevens?   it seems to have a very similar mood and feeling to me.
maybe its just my crazy ears, but i can almost hear them breaking into
lady d'arbanville, time, or lilly white at a number of points.   i also
hear midnight oil in scooter boys and the beatles in caramia and leeds.

there sure are a lot of guitars on this album.  i don't think this is
their best album, but i certainly like it.  as far as i'm concerned it
just means more ig material, and that is good enough for me.  it sounds
great live, and that's what i mainly listen to anyway (well, when i'm not
listening to sesame street).  anyone who had concerns about them selling
out and going commercial to make some money should rest easy after
listening to this album.  i think this will be a difficult album for new
listeners to get into.  it is about as much of a sell out as the ghost of
tom joad.

speaking of bruce, whoever compared caramia to mary queen of arkansas was
wrong, wrong, wrong.  i can understand not liking this song,
(personally, i don't much care for the beginning, but i like the rest of
the song)   but  mary queen of arkansas was a crime against humanity.  it
is so bad it almost makes the angel sound like a good song.

just a comment by a friend of mine that caught me a little off guard.  i
asked him what he thought about soy.  he's a casual ig fan, he said "i
wish they would stop with all the religious songs."   hmmm.

by the way, does anyone have the colby show on tape??

that's all i can think of right now.

-  harry

c is for cookie, that's good enough for me.

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wow.  one of the responses to my ig/partridge comparison was this:

>amy has said she used to stand in front of her mirror and practice looking
>like david in the partridge heyday...she also is a big fan of partridge music
>and has made partridge compilation tapes for friends...
>
>

so i was right!  now - the emily/shirley jones connection...

lori   =)
watching rosie as we speak!


"this is now, this is here, this is me, this is what i wanted you to see."
                                            rem

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hey, ya'll!

   wow! wow!  the ig were awesome on rosie as always!  i'm so glad they sang!
i wish they could have had a little more time, though!  amy is so talented!
they both are!  wow!  (okay, i'm done with my spas attack ;).  i saw sulli,
sorry i don't know you, but i saw a post--and i suppose it was your who ran
to them before the commercial--did you get to talk to them?!?!  spiffy!

    to all those who suggested songs for my project--thanks a billion!  i
think i like "ghost"...but i wish i could get sots and pick a song off
there...

    well, what a week this has been!  hope everyone has enjoyed it...have a
terrific weekend!

love,
katie =)

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i'll try to make this short but we all know brevity's not my strong point...

a decent number of topics and questions and threads have come up
recently--or have come up a few times--which seem like they would be good
to be included on the web.  i know quite a lot of you have web pages,
others of you are thinking about it, and every so often someone posts
with the question, "i'm trying to make a web page--any suggestions on
what to put on it or how to do it?"  so i thought i'd collect some of the
possibilities i've seen lately in the hopes that some of you would be
inspired to do something with them.

i'm creating a new section for my own web site for activism and
resources; i'm also trying to make color me indigo as comprehensive as
possible.  thus if you want to make a page/site for any of the topics below
(or anything similar) i am willing to offer some degree of
advice/assistance, and chances are i'll link it from either color me
indigo or my own site.

some suggestions for what to put on a page:

*how to contact the religious right (i know lorinda posted some stuff
about this one)

*lists/information about anti-choice and anti-gay companies (i would
think a page like this might already exist but i have no clue how to find
that out)

*important organizations/charities--what they do, how to get involved,
how to donate (color me indigo's "activism" section covers the
organizations a&e are involved with, but there are a lot more out there...)

*general guidelines for trading boots and an explanation of how to set up
a tree (not how to get the recorder into the venue, that's a bad thing to
publicize for obvious reasons..)

*suggestions for getting good photographs at a show where photography is
allowed

*suggestions for getting good bootlegs at a show where booting is allowed

*any gathering of listees (see the pnw or igboston badass party pages for
examples...but you don't *have* to make it that elaborate.)  just make
sure you have permission to include peoples' names and photos!

*a summary of any other interesting thread that's come up, particularly
those which seem to reoccur such as "whose part do you sing" or those
which discuss the meaning of various songs


it's not that hard to make a basic web site.  i taught myself in a week,
studying other people's source code and reading a couple of guides.
making yours a quality site isn't much more difficult, but it does take
some thought and planning.  i'm willing to help people with this, but
most everything i would say is covered in my guide
http://www.history.upenn.edu/computing/guide-intro.html

why should you bother?  not only is web design a lot of fun, it's also a
good skill to have and may well help you get a job.  a web site also lets
your voice be heard by a potentially huge audience.  my own site has
gotten over 1600 hits in the past year and a half; color me indigo has
gotten over 1800 in less than two months.  try getting that kind of
attention in a college literary magazine!

later y'all,
audrey

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just saw the show (comes on at 4 here)

so excited to see them june 6!  they are so cool!  never thought i'd be this
excited after just seeing them on tv.  ack!

just my 1 c...

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in a message dated 97-05-01 20:00:32 edt, andrade@az.com (kristina) writes:

<<  we won't hear soy i'm willing to bet
(rosie's show is rated g and i think even bleeping the fuckin' up would be
a no-no for a g show.)  >>

i've got this sore throat and i've lost my voice almost completely (i guess
it wasn't singing along to sys all day after all . . .).  the good part: i
got to watch rosie!  (i taped it anyway, too, though <g>)  here in the boston
area (or at least in my town) we get rosie live and so not only did they soy
but they didn't get bleeped.  i wonder if someone had warned amy of this,
though, since she seemed to consiously mumble it a little . . . more like a
"i keep fuhhhn' up"  i loved it when emily started playing with rosies little
noise buttons.  and the way amy smiled and laughed in that oh so wonderful
amy way . . . *sigh*

and now, of course, we know that rosie is as obsessed as some of us. =)

i didn't see the whole late show, but i did see the tape of their performance
and talked to my dad and i do have to say that i think we should all just
take a few minutes to calm down.  dave's job is to be offensive without being
really offensive, which seems to me how it was, 'specially since he didn't
introduce them as lesbians.  he's just pokin' fun at the media . . .

and ellen did rock!  the buzz phrase of yesterday was "heterosexuals like
ice!!"  and one girl even interupted our class discussion about homosexuality
and religon to announce that she loves 'man-woman sex."  hee hee . . . yes,
the national headquarters part was a scream . . . i'm still laughing . . .
and was that supposed to be a little me reference when ellen said to melissa
"yes, yes i am"?

-elizabeth, who can't laugh because of her throat, and thus had her father
thinking she was hyperventalating when rosie started singing galileo . . .

* * * * * * * * * * *
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first of all, crazy game is an emily song.  i knew that, but i just put it
in the wrong category.  thanks to rebrad@aol.com (rebekah, right?) for
pointing that out.  also, vigil pointed out that they went on tv (god
morning america, etc.) to promote rop & played galileo a lot.  well,
anyway, it's not the first time a songs have been played on tv.  i think it
is safe to say that both a good amount of a&e songs have been played on tv.
okay?  okay! :)

andi

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hi, all!  i'm amy, and i'm new on the list.  for those of you who watched
rosie today and who might know, amy mentioned something about a show in
knoxville at the end of may.  can anyone confirm a date or location?
ticketmaster is clueless, as usual.  please let me know!! :)

ac

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*sigh*

i got home in time to tape all of rosie, and happily watched and taped up
to the point where she sang along with "galileo", and then some bad weather
came into our area, so the local tv station pre-empted all of the show to
do weather forecasts!!!  so i'm missing them right now and there's nothing
i can do about it!!!!!!  :(((((((((((((((((((((((  if anyone has taped it
and could make me a copy, i'd be happy to send money or a trade or anything
for it.
just had to vent....

sue

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me again.  i'm starting to feel like a pawn for ticket brokers everywhere
but ....

ani difranco is scheduled to be in l.a.  in november - november 5th and
6th actually.  yes, that's 6 months away, and for some reason,
ticketmaster is listing tickets as going on sale tomorrow (saturday) at
10a.m.  for the 11/5 show.  she's at the mayan theater and i don't even
know where that is or where else you could get tickets or anything else
basically, so don't ask.

maybe they are trying to capitalize on the interest in the release of
living in clip, which is everywhere right now, but this is totally
inconvenient, and it's exactly what i deserve because i was just
complaining about how pathetically short-notice the whole ig tour schedule
was.  be careful what you wish for.

fuck you (yes, that's my ani quote, nothing personal)
alison

a dog, a plan, a canal -  pagoda!                alisont@netcom.com

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date:         fri, 2 may 1997 14:57:09 -0700
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subject:      re: amy singing high (kinda)
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> does anyone notice in everything in it's own time when emily slurs the words
> a little..."hold fast to that languageless connection" i think it's great
> that they didn't redo it,.....i like hearing the fact that she's still human

i thought it was on purpose...a little added texture to the
"languagelessness" of the phrase.

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i just had a quick question..
i remember hearing that sots was going to be a cd-extra or whatever they
call 'em when they got cool stuff for your computer (besides the music of
course).  does anyone know what happened to that?  imho ig multimedia on my
computer is exactly what this world needs right now! :)  i guess i'll look
at the bright side and think about how much less i'd be accomplishing as
far as studying goes if there was extra stuff on this cd.
thanks y'all,
ryan

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i must first say that the girls performed beautifully as expected, and that
i thought it was great that the lyrics were not altered, but i really wished
rosie had asked them more questions.  sometimes she gets so involved in
herself, that her guests don't get enough time to speak.  that's what i feel
happened today, but it was enough for me to just see their faces and
experience their laughter!  what did everyone else think?

on an ig high,
bubka


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>gainesville in what state?

there is one in florida.  it is where uf is!

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and when the winds have blown
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subject:      (nigc) this has to be national liberal week...

i just had to post this because this has just boosted my
i-love-my-schoolness.  we have this big thing at my school called
mr.shs where a whole bunch of senior guys compete in a 'pagent' for the
title.  this years winner... shaun sperling, theatre kid extroadanaire
and he also happens to be very openly gay.  i love my school and how
liberal it is.  i think i would freak out at a conservative school!
must be something in the air... ellen... ig...
yay stevenson high school!  1995 and 96 illinois state girls b-ball
champions and home of the coolest people around!
okay i'm finished...
leah

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i know i am probably way behind the crowd on this, but i just visited
the indigo girls web site:  www.indigogirls.com    very, very cool
i especially liked all the avi movies linked to the various photos and
different pages. i didn't quite make it through all the stuff a&e wrote
in the diary section, but it was pretty interesting. anyhow, if you
haven't checked out this sight, you should. make sure you have some way
of viewing avi files. the short doll movies are really a kick.
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the animals all hung out and interacted fretlessly
and the world began to vibrate with such a deep tonality
the day the bass players took over the world."
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can i make a suggestion that we as a list ignore tripe such as this which
just attempts to incite.  let's not answer it and encourage it.  lisa

>were it just an hour *plot* i might agree, but it was so much more
>hype hype hype hype hype hype hype hype  yada yada yada blah blah

>if i never hear another word about ellen's sexual preference, it will
>be too soon.  i had hoped that, once the show was in the past, we
>could move on somehow...but i guess that's not going to happen.

>>   why is is funny when ellen does a whole show about lesbians but
>> when letterman does it he's a jerk?

>a whole show, a whole slew of magazine, newspaper and tv appearances, at
>least 5000 posts on the indigo-girls/ellen listserv...will it _ever_
>end?

> perhaps it the manor in which is was handled.  an hour *plot* is funny
> when carried out.  an hour of overkill is no longer as funny....

>next i suppose her and her new girlfriend will want to have a baby, and
>we'll have to listen to _that_ for the next year.  i'm barely
>recovered from the melissa etheridge/julie cypher baby-hype-fest...

to paraphrase mike myers:

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me too me too!!! the station didn't show it b/c thye showed some ky
derby thing! =(

e me!!!!please!

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hi all!
i was wondering if antone taped rosie and would be willing to make a
trade.  unfortunately, i was in school, and my gf forgot to tape it. :(
"all i've learned has been in vain, like water on a stain"
                              -amy ray
"your hatred is rooted in your fear, and your paranoia and
insecurities, well they don't belong here."
                              -amy ray
"i walk like a woman and talk like a man.  i said i am who the
fuck i am..."
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ok, i don't think you can possibly understand how many times i get the
shaft in a given week.  many many times...and you can multiply that by
the power of two, and still not quite get the right number!!  anyway,
so i set my vcr to tape the rosie show even though i was watching it...
i made sure it started taping and everything, and then i had to leave (right
after alec and rosie and that swedish lady --i won't even attempt spelling
her name) were making m&m pancakes...and then i had to leave for a banquet...
well, so i come back, check my email and read everyone's little
reports on how awesome the show was...so i, likewise, get all riled up and
run upstairs to watch my tape...wrong!!!!  once again, shafted by the fruit
of another. (sorry, that song's been in my head...tempted...anyway...)
so, this crappy vcr in our room has occasional trouble picking up
channel signals, so all i got on tape was a blue screen...!!!  argh!
i *must* see rosie...must must must!  so, if anyone out there has a tape
and would send it to me, or copy one, anything, please please please
let me know......i will pay...not much cuz i'm broke, but i'll pay nonetheless.
thanks for listening to me whine...
lesleu
(whoops...nice to see i can't even spell my own freaking name...)
lesley

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hi- about the pulse thing- i flipped through the whole thing, quickly,
but i did check every page, and i did not see anything, no articles, no
pictures, zip, of ig. i may be wrogn, but i don't think i missed
anything. if anyone can correct me, please do!!! :)

~andy

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hi everyone, i'm feeling quite like an ass right now for asking this, but
what is imho? i've been seeing this for a long time, and i've always
wondered what it means. ok sorry to be annoying.

~andy

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        any kind souls out there who got the whole thing want to put together a
tape tree for us pnwers who got to watch live helicopter views instead of
ig singing?  we got cut out of about 1/2 of soy.

        very grumpily yours;

tracy

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subject:      rosie's show interrupted in seattle!!!!

ahhhhhhhhhh!  ok, i was watching the whole rosie show, vcr remote in hand and
what happens!?  they show some "breaking news" during the commercial break
after luke perry and when they come back to rosie its the middle of shame on
you!!!!  how could they do that to us??

sorry, just had to vent...i recorded the last half of soy and the part where
she talks to them which was great, wish it would have been longer...

*happy and sad at the same time*,
kerry

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oooooooops, i made a boo-boo: the faint line at the end of soy is
"bluelights flashing on a long dirt road" not "moonlight splashing". i was
driving home and i thought, "duh, why did you say moonlight splashing?"
sorry for the mistake. i hang my head in shame.

deb

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shit.  are you serious?  i'm at work. don't get home til 5, was all
psyched to go home and check it out and dammit.  i can't believe that!

cc


on fri, 2 may 1997, kerry cox wrote:

> ahhhhhhhhhh!  ok, i was watching the whole rosie show, vcr remote in hand and
> what happens!?  they show some "breaking news" during the commercial break
> after luke perry and when they come back to rosie its the middle of shame on
> you!!!!  how could they do that to us??
>
> sorry, just had to vent...i recorded the last half of soy and the part where
> she talks to them which was great, wish it would have been longer...
>
> *happy and sad at the same time*,
> kerry
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> wow.  one of the responses to my ig/partridge comparison was this:
>
> >amy has said she used to stand in front of her mirror and practice looking
> >like david in the partridge heyday...she also is a big fan of partridge music
> >and has made partridge compilation tapes for friends...
>
> so i was right!

i saw an old familiar record album at the store the other - the partridge
family album which has all their birthdates on the front of it.  well,
guess what - amy has the same birthday as david cassidy!  (separated at
birth???)

i, as i knew from when i had this album in my youth, have the same
birthday as the partridge family dog.  sometimes the universe is very
clear about who is going to grow up to be cool and who is not...

and yeah, i checked - no july 22.

woof,
alison

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        how bout this: we will trade for rosie if no tree can get together... we
have letterman, melissa on sesame street, melissa on vh1, on the road to
austin (ig - but it is not good quality), and several audio boots.  we also
have two vcrs and would be willing to be a branch on a potential **pnw
tree*** for this irritating ig-catastrophe.

tracy - who didn't need to see a 2-mile up view of a subdivision with
police cars in it.

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oh my word, i'm sorry to have sent that message to the whole list!
seriously, it was only meant for kerrie.

sorry for the profanity.  i'm sure you can understand, though.  i still
can't believe the news interrupted ig instead of luke perry or cookie
making!

oh well.  have a mighty fine weekend everyone.

pnw's  don't forget about shawn mullins at sbc, capitol hill tomorrow
night at 7.

be well,

carolyn

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ummm..... maya,
columbus
1492
(columbus sailed the ocean blue...)
anyway.... that was columbus' date.... good try tho!
***and honestly... i have no idea what 1694 was....***

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seems to me '1694' is just a random number to mean a way, way long time
ago. and something ending with 4 was chosen to rhyme (as best any number
can) with "car" in the line before. and the more general point is just
that we're almost all immigrant descendants in usa (even if our
foreparents came 303 years ago) so the current political climate against
immigrants is senseless.

-david a. van hemel (van den hemel, boat from netherlands, ca. 1905)

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subject:      i have a rosie tape . . . read me!

i taped rosie.  i can't make a million copies, but i can make one, so if
someone else wants to help . . . i can also put on their letterman
performance, and if people really want it ellen and the primtime live thing.
heck, i could also toss in mellissa unplugged and hole un-plugged (what else
is on my very cool things i needed to tape tape.)  so, uh, if you want to set
up something and can help me, e-mail me!  alright . . .

-elizabeth

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from:         mary teresa combs <cedartree2@aol.com>
subject:      re: letterman insensitive? i did not think so...

i thought a lot of his comments were in poor taste. the "lesbian band wagon"
thing especially. he really seems to be obsessing about ellen's coming out
way too much. his joking about her lesbianism was getting old and dull by
wednsday the 30th when ellen came out on her show.i wish he had been more
sensitive about about the whole thing. love mary

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subject:      contact mtv about shame on you

hey, aol-ers, go to mtv online, click on feed mtv, and tell them you want to
see the shame on you video!  sorry i couldn't find an e-mail address for all
of you un-lucky enough to not have aol. (please don't flame me, it was a joke
people.)  maybe their web site . . .

-elizabeth

* * * * * * * *
fa, la, la, la, laaa

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hey y'all!

i wrote a letter all about save the music for the "emily birthday"
project, but due to computer troubles it never made its way to the list.
and then when my whole systme crashed last week, i sorta lost it.  :(
anyway, now i'm swamped with finals, but i still think it's a great
project, one which is so important.  i couldn't imagine elementary school
or high school with a the extensive music programs i was lucky enough to
have and i think anything we can do to help save the music in the nyc
publi school systems is a good thing.  it's a worthwhile, necessary
cause; and i truly believe that anything to help kids is one of the best
things we as human beings can do.  my mom's a teacher, my dad is the
president of our local school board, and some of my closet friends are
education majors, so this type of a project is just something that really
hits me.

i didn't have time to rewrite a whole letter about it, so below is a copy
of some of the stuff of vh1's web page.  it's got a pretty good
explanation of the program.  anyone who wants more info can feel free to
drop me a line and i'll snail-mail or fax you a copy of the brochure they
sent me.

if you're interested in raising money for this very worthwhile cause as a
birthday gift to emily, send a message to mandi (mandi96@airmail.net) and
let her know.

thanks!
--nick
nick@tasha.bu.edu


=============================================================
what is save the music?

studies have proven that music and arts programs
are essential to increasing students' ability to learn basic math and
reading. when budget cutbacks all buteliminated music from classrooms,
childrens' hopes for a well-rounded education were jeopardized. through
a new program called save the music, cable music channel vh1
is mobilizing a campaign to restore these courses to the curriculum of
new york city schools.

save the music is dedicated to bringing music back in the classroom
and restoring new york's hopes for a sound future.

to donate a musical instrument or find out more
about save the music, please call this
toll-free number:1-888-songs-97.

benefits of music education:
                        higher scholastic aptitude test (s.a.t.) scores
                        faster learning curve in math and reading
                        better attendance
                        successful teamwork
                        increased self-esteem
                        increased self-discipline
                        better problem-solving skills
                        positive use of children's time
                        healthy vehicle for self-expression
                        enhanced knowledge of other cultures and history
                        increased creativity

                        did you know?
did you know that only 1/3 of new york city's 1100 public schools have music
programs in place?

did you know that even those programs are in danger of cutbacks?

                        what you can do to help


call your child's school to find out more abouttheir music program.

speak with your child's teachers, and let them know you support the learning
opportunities that music education provides.

form a group of concerned parents and attend local school board meetings.

encourage community arts groups to form partnerships with local schools.

keep music alive - listen at home with your children and share each other's
tastes, so that an appreciation of many styles can be fostered.

organize a grass roots campaign in your community with the help of the national
coalition for music education by calling 1-800-336-3768.


+===================================+=======================================
| "i enjoy being afraid of russia   |
| it's a harmless fear, but it      | nick cernese
|makes us feel better and russia    | boston university class of '99
|gets an inflated sense of          | nick@tasha.bu.edu
|national worth from our paranoia." | http://isabel.bu.edu/nick/homepage.htm
|       -kevin dolenz               |
|       st. elmo's fire             |
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at 05:23 pm 5/2/97 -0400, elizabeth m. bolles wrote:


>i've got this sore throat and i've lost my voice almost completely (i guess
>it wasn't singing along to sys all day after all . . .).  the good part: i
>got to watch rosie!  (i taped it anyway, too, though <g>)  here in the boston
>area (or at least in my town) we get rosie live and so not only did they soy
>but they didn't get bleeped.

coming out of lurk-land for this and don't mean to burst your bubble but
rosie no longer goes live at all...they tape a day ahead around 2pm....

back to our regular scheduled lurking.... :)


kat

               "if i let you do it to me, can
                 we still call it suicide?"
                         - cooper seay

               "without love you can only resist,
                 without feeling you can't exist."
                         - melissa ferrick

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from:         mr rodney s wicker <rucr57a@prodigy.com>
subject:      new album...

i finished listening to "shaming of the sun" and it is definitely a
rocker!!

i have never heard so many rock songs on one album before.  the sound

reminds me of a recent john mellencamp album.

every album features one song i listen to over and over and on
this record it's "don't give that girl a gun."  it is a song about a
breakup and i don't know if amy wrote it about cooper, but if she
did, it must still hurt.

"everything in its own time" has a latin flavor to it and emily
writes it like a proverb.  "caramia" feels like emily based it on
a diary she kept as a kid, and "get out the map" feels like a
bad day on the road.

"shame on you" will make a great concert sing-a-long and steve earle
does a great job on harmonica.  overall, a very good album and strong
step
forward for indigo girls as rockers!!

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hey guys - i found this on a newsgroup

>tdk has extended the deadline for submission of maxell points in
>exchange for blank tapes.  as you may know, today (april 30th) was
>the end of the program.  the company has now extended the promotion
>to july 31st, with new rules regarding how many points will be
>accepted and what tdk products will be sent.
>
>http://www.tdk.com/tdkmax2.htm explains the new rules.
>


"this is now, this is here, this is me, this is what i wanted you to see."
                                            rem

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hi,

it's 335am here in dreich scotland but i just had to share my total
happiness of finding an import copy of sots in tower records in glasgow.
yeah!!  i have it 3 days before the official uk release.  it's the digipack
thingie (not my first choice) but who cares?  i sat and listened to it in
the car before the concert i saw tonight and converted some other people in
the queue to the ig and listened to it all the way home. :) :)  it is so
brilliant!!!  i love it. :)  what also struck me as cool is being able to
hear the changes in the songs from the demo tour (and before in some cases)
to the finished product.  i still found myself singing the "other" words to
gotm.

anyway, i must go to bed now.

gail

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this isn't going to have any ig content, sorry, but i have to vent this
somehow.  i am a junior in high school right now.  i live in a small
shit-stained  town that is 90% drunk german-catholics. (the other 10% are
just drinking, but not drunk) everyone suffers from tunnelvision.  yesterday
my english teacher (public school) told me i was going to hell for not
believing in the bible.  she was knocking wicca saying it's evil, then later
after i explained what wicca really was, she knocked the native american
religions.  and then she told me that there is only one gateway to heaven,
and that's being christain.  all of the other religions are going to hell.
the thing that brought this up is the fact that i am doing a research paper
on the contradictions of the bible.  she's afraid of my paper, and will
probably fail me, not because my paper is bad, but because she'll find ways
of denying everything my paper says.  i am not saying that christianity is a
bad religion, not at all.  there's a lot more to the story, and if you want
to know more, let me know.  ok, so that's what happened yesterday.  (which
is actually illegal...teachers preaching religion in school, but this is
jasper, no one is going to say anything....)
today, she started saying somehting about how what ellen degenerous did was
just sick.  i asked her why.  she announced to the entire class that anyone
who is gay is sick and twisted.  gay people have a chemicle imbalance and
are diseased.  being gay is a disease just like alcoholism...then 75% of the
class started running around the class giving mrs. burns high fives yelling
and saying terrible things about gay people.  then there i was.  i was so
shocked that somehting that biggoted came from her mouth.  i fought the
subject by myself.  i said, they're people too.  (i am gay, but only one
person here knows it.  i can't let them have any more ammunition that they
have against me anyway...when i say they, i really mean me) they said that
it's disgusting.  takling about how everyone that's gay goes around trying
to fuck everyone.  i told them, no, they don't go around fucking every
person they see that's their sex.  (i should have told them that no one
would be attracted to any of them anyway)  so my teacher kept telling me i
was wrong that it's sick and bad and a major sin.  talking about how it's
abnormal and diseased. there would have been a lot moer that i could ahve
said if i could tell them i was gay, but i would have probably been killed
or somehting.  no person has said that they were gay in the high school.
they are to afraid.  i kept fighting it,  but i lost.  they kept saying oh
shut up you lesbian. and cutting me off when i had somethign to say,
including the teacher.  my teacher finally said, "katie whether you like it
or not, being gay is wrong.  just leave it at that.  the conversation is
over. "    this is probably hard to follow.  i'm sorry, but i'm still
shaking with rage right now.  i have my own friends going behind my back
asking each other if i'm gay or not.  they are draining my energy.  can't
they understand that all i want is to love and be loved.  i don't want sex
like all of them. i feel sick to my stomach.   i am drowning in their river
of hate.  for the longest time i literally prayed to god that i wasn't gay
because i thought it was wrong.  at least that's what i've been taught.  the
only person in jasper that i know isn't homophobic is the one who knows.
you know, it's funny to methat people wonder why there's such a high suicide
rate here.  maybe they should open up their fucking eyes.  mrs. burns told
me lsat semester that i was her favorite student.  bet not anymore now that
i'm going to hell.  can't wait until i'm out of the shit-stain of southern
indiana.  sorry this is so long......
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drew vogel wrote:
>
> on wed, 30 apr 1997 indisong@aol.com wrote:
>
> > i have the limited edition...again..the versions seem different?   does
> > anyone know if i am just losing it??????
> >
> i'm not sure either... i've got the digipak... is that the limited
> edition? i'd much rather have the jewel case. i may end up buying it
> anyway and selling the digipak to my housemate.
>
> please let me know a> if the digipak is different than the jewel case
> version, and b> what the differences are, and c> which one is the 'limited
> edition'.
>

- ok, i have both and the number on the disk itself is the same. the
only thing that says "limited edition" on it is the target exclusive
starter kit.
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i just wanted to point out something i noticed on letterman and rosie.

has amy started covering her tattoo?

i think that it's sad that she has to do that to protect her privacy,
but i was guilty of thinking about replicating her tattoo on a shirt in
the fall. this is something i really regret even permitting myself to
ponder and i still feel guilty and embarrassed about it. however, i feel
that since that time, i have matured past such things and i have
developed a much larger respect for them as people and the privacy they
are entitled to as such.

deep, sentimental part - no offense in any way is meant by this - i just
wanted to make a point about the list. read it before you flame me or
get pissed off. i was just reading someone's (don't remember who's) post
about having to put their dog to sleep. i was all misty eyed and i told
my college roomate, and she looked at me funny and said she thought that
was "just about stupid". well, it really pissed me off. i'm so sick of
her shit and i'm ready to go home where i have my own room (she
constantly bitches about ig if i ever play it). i mean she would just
about die if anything happened to her cat and then she says that. - back
to the point - later at supper with her and a friend, i was talking
about the list. i said that i really like it and we really have our own
little community. (it took on a certain depth when i really met people
from the list in real life) i said that it was cool that people feel
comfortable sharing personal things with the list. there are numerous
things that have been shared igc and nigc that i like. i just realized
that, even though we have our occasional problems with each other, we're
more or less here for each other and i think it's cool that we support
each other. (whether my roomate thinks that we have no lives or not - me
included - "you check your email at least 3 times a day") i really
appreciate the kindness that i have received on the list and i wanted
ya'll to know.

amber

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my mother says it's just life...i say it sucks.  *grin*  i got the tape ready for rosie...had to run out the door to my other job, and forgot to hit "record".  so...i missed it.   *grrrrrr*  hope you guys enjoyed it.
}= (


jennifer w.

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> >   why is is funny when ellen does a whole show about lesbians but
> > when letterman does it he's a jerk?

why is it funny when one black man calls another "nigger" (to me, one of the most offensive words in the english language, but it isn't when a white mad calls a black man the same awful name?

why do women call each other "bitch" jokingly, and not get mad, but if a man does the same, they are furious?

this is not the point.  the point is that you have ig on your show...and you go on...and on...and on...with the lesbian jokes.  i guess if and when dave has alfre woodard on...he should make 30 jokes about african-americans?  hmmmm...i'm thinking one would bee too many for most of us.

my two shiny happy pennies...

jennifer w.

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subject:      milagro

although i knew milagro was spanish for miracle, for some reason when i heard
the song (and saw the word capitalized in the lyrics) i immediately assumed
it was some type of spanish/mexican liquor...i could be really off track, but
it just sounded like kahlua \_/or something of the sort...
$.01 for yr thoughts, celeste

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yup, that's my question. when _do_ tix for the three pier shows go on
sale? i heard someone say maybe the 5th of may, but just thought i'd
check...haven't found out anything here.

thanks!
:) stephanie aka one of those funny seattle lurkers

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hey everyone,

just a quick note as i'm about to go out and watch
luke skywalker kick some imperial butt...

to everyone who responded to my question about
"jesus" in soy - thanks.  i'd only ever seen the
mexican name written before and had never heard it
said.  but now i know. :)  (all together now:
"hay-zoos".)

someone mentioned something about adding "1694" to
the faq.  we are, indeed, currently working on an
update to the faq - we will be adding a *heap* more
questions and answers in the next week or so.  but,
we do want to make sure that information included in
the faq is as factual as possible - ie. we don't want
to include too much speculation on the meanings of
songs and phrases.  this means that answers to a few
of the newer questions may not be added straight away.
but rest assured, the second we get some definitive
information, whether it be in the form of excerpts from
interviews, comments from shows, or whatever, we'll be
adding it to the faq.

okay, time to go.  use the force, luke!
happy happy all,
sherlyn
=-=-=-=-=-=-=- sherlyn koo - sherlyn@fl.net.au -=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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  let your heart beat crazy, let your knees get weak..."
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first, let me just say that you (kate) have some serious courage and
integrity for being able and realizing that it's ok to think for yourself
and have an open mind in such a warped little sector of society...i
really admire you for that.  your teacher, on the other hand, really
needs to get the hell out of there.  i can't imagine being in that
situation...surrounded by ignorance.  ppppfffffffffff...we're all surrounded
by ignorance, some just don't display it so well.  but, seriously, religion
is such a delicate issue, and when adults (especially teachers, who are
supposed to resemble role models for kids, by the way...) try to ingrain
it into our heads that one religion is the "god" religion, well...
that kind of defeats the purpose of even having one.  thou shalt not...
anyway...it really gets me that people talk about homosexuality as contagious
and infesting, while what is really contagious is such ignorance being
cast on the children of our country by adults who are in such powerful
positions in society.  having a teacher who breaks down the wall separating
the church and the state and who builds up a wall between heterosexuals and
homosexuals is the real lethal threat to humanity......i don't know
what i would do if i were really in your shoes.  i think it's amazing
what you've done already...defending the opposite viewpoints from your
teacher, writing that paper, etc....you've already put one foot forward,
i wonder how good you would feel to pick up the other one and stick it
where it really counts...   only you know that, though...
take care and i wish you the best... education is key, and when such
narrow-minded fanatics try and rule the roost, it makes me more than afraid
for what sort of adults these kids are going to be... we *can* reverse this...

take care,
lesley

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subject:      rosie review!!!

anybody notice that amy's tshirt was a lift shirt?  fashion review!!!  (my
first!!!)  for those of you who didn't see it.  amy was wearing a black
tshirt with "lift" in white fancy letters, and a reddish overshirt with
octagonal white spots, and burnt orange pants and black boots.  emily was
wearing a plain black tshirt with a blue-and-white overshirt, black jeans and
those oxblood doc marten boots.  (myn ex gf has a pair of docs that color)

it was very cool with the commercial thing and rosie said do you know that
one and em said "no" and rosie said i can see i know all your lyrics you
don't watch my program.  and amy went "oops!" it was funny!!!  :)  but i do
wish they had put the camera on a & e while this was happening, all i saw was
em laughing and it was cute but i'd ruther have seen them both as well as
rosie.

i noticed amy didn't say much she was content to sit there and be beautiful
and let emily be beautiful and talkative  :)

i was very impressed that rosie knows the lyrics to all ig songs!!!!  wonder
if rosie's on this list?????  hehehe

ok i'm done for now!!!  :)

peace, harmony & indigo,

tigger, high priestess of amyism (emilyamy@aol.com)
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the gainesville mentioned in soy is gainesville, tx which is a border town.
:)

(did i ever tell y'all i'm a tx native???)

peace, harmony & indigo,

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gainesville, tx is actually about an hour north of dallas/fort worth (i
went there with my college roomate a few weeks ago-that's where she's
from - go factory outlets!), so maybe they were referring to florida. i
don't know, but i don't think they are that worried about immigration in
gainesville, tx, but what do i know.
amber

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jessica wrote:
> just wondering if anybody out there more up on his/her history could
> enlighten me about the 1694 date reference in soy?  is it the date of a
> spanish landing in mexico or something, or is it a case or poetic license?

your note got me thinking ... i think it refers to the re-colonization
of new mexico by the spanish in 1692-1694.  the pueblo indians revolted
against the spanish in 1680, but the spaniards returned again, and lead
by don diego de vargas, re-conquered the pueblo indians.  the pueblo
indians revolted against the spanish again in 1696.

bibliography:

teaching colonial spanish literature of north america
http://www.georgetown.edu/tamlit/essays/spanish.html

historical time-line to the new mexico cultural database
http://www.nmculture.org/html/1600.htm

the interactive santa fe trail (sft) homepage
http://www.ukans.edu/heritage/research/sft/index.html

indian pueblo cultural center
http://www.viva.com/nm/pccmirror/pcc.html

new mexico pueblos
http://www.nmhotels.com/html/nmpueblo.html

espinosa, j. manuel. the pueblo indian revolt of 1696 and the franciscan
missions in new mexico: letters of the missionaries and related documents.
norman: u of oklahoma press, 1988.

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subject:      one more thing

it isn't the people who are looked down upon that have the problem. it
is the people who are so full of hatred. they need to look inside of
thereselves and change. maybe folks speaking out will help.

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when are the girls' birthdays?

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samantha warnock
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subject:      musings and mumblings

just to start off-it makes me so happy to see the list has become so prolific
over the last couple days...step out into the sunshine all you lurkers!! it
makes me so proud to be a fan :)

i am technologically retarded and dont even know how to copy, but someone
(sorry i dont remember who to give credit to) wrote:
>>"it's alright if you...hate me cause i'm gay
     truth of the matter comes around one day so it's alright."

i hope she is right but to me this is alwrong.  hate is not alright.  it bugs
me like the line "a moment of peace is worth every war behind us."--that too
is alwrong.

i interpret that as kind of a sarcastic commentary on society,kind of the
levity with which people treat serious problems...a kind of reversal of the
sarcasm in scooter boys "and here i sit in the land of plenty, crying about
my own virginity" where people overemphasize their comparatively petty
problems

found lyrics of a 1954 song written by trulio trapani and performed by leo
feist called cara mia in a book of 101 easy listening hits--wonder if caramia
is an elaboration on this:  "cara mia why must we say goodbye?
          each time we part my heart wants to die.
          my darling, my prayer cara mia my fair
          here are my arms you alone will share
          cara mia mine say those words divine
          i'll be your love till the end of time
          all i want is you forevermore
          to have, to hold, to love, adore"

i finally figured out what the beginning of soy reminded me of--saturday
morning cartoons--give it another listen and see what you think (this had
been bothering me for quite some time)

peace out, ya'll (i have to take sat 2s tomorrow morning!)
celeste

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i have to share this with y'all because you are the only people who could
possibly understand or relate or whatever. i am absolutely in love with
caramia! i'm obsessed. i love every word, every note. i love the
"over-production" of it. i love the "harriet the spy" line. i love
everything about it. i can't get enough of it. my mother thinks i've gone
crazy for good now, and i suppose i have. i really don't care. i'm going to
listen to this song until i get so sick of it that i'll never want to hear
it again. hopefully that doesn't happen before the chastain show.  speaking
of which, if there's one song i need to hear at that show, it's caramia. if
they do play it, i'll probably be the first person to die at an ig show. if
they don't play it, i'll probably be the first person to die at an ig show.
either way, i'm dead. for those of y'all who want to meet up with me after
the show, i'll be the dead one.

thanks for listening, y'all, if you've read this far. i needed to get all
that out because no one understands. everyone think i'm a freak, which i am,
but not because i love caramia. i'm gonna go eat myself a moor ;) and then
go to bed with caramia on repeat so somehow i can absorb it through osmosis
during the night. once i've absorbed it, i don't know what i'll do. sing it
backwards perhaps? who knows? i kinda feel sorry for dgtgag, because
everytime i get as far as caramia, i have to repeat it. in fact, i feel
sorry for the entire album. ok, i'm going to bed.

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y'all, i just thought of something. it's cara mia right? not caramia. or is
it? forget the bad spelling in my last post if it's cara mia and not
caramia. i haven't read the lyrics anyhow. i'm just obsessed and cannot be
held responsible for my grammar, spelling, and all that other good stuff.
i'm already asleep. goodnight.

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subject:      re: gainesville

taken from may "stomp and stammer":

question:  what helped inspire "shame on you," the new single?

amy: "i saw this really cool moive called 'displaced in the new south' (by
atlanta filmmaker david zeiger),and there was this whole section of it about
gainesville, and the poultry industry there..and then later on down the road
i had heard they were starting to crack down on illegal immigrants up there,
working at these factories.  but they hassled everyone, and to me, its like
god, how hypocritical can you get? you're running this chicken company,
you're raking in the millions, you're hiring people for low wages, they have
terrible work conditions....and the city's making money off it, and at the
same time the city's going, 'what are all these illegal immigrants doing
here?'  what do you think they are doing? they're working, because somebody
else doesn't want the job.  all these people complain that all these jobs are
being taken away and stuff like that, well, those people are the people that
are willing to do it.  i don't know enough about it to spout off about it,
but that's what i see from the outside."

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on wed, 30 apr 1997 09:22:27 -0500, urvashi wrote:

>i have heard others express similar opinions but i think ulali are great!!
>i think they add a sound that, to me, makes the songs appear much more
>eclectic, less pop, and more indigenous.

i second that. i wouldn't say more indigenous, just more rooted to the
causes ig are standing up for.

those chants do have some unique beauty, many fine songs by buffy
sainte-marie would also miss a lot without them.

>does anyone else think ani's drummer (andy something) rocks??!! i like him
>a lot.

ohh yeah. i got one fine cd, ani & andy live at a womens music
festival in bremen/germany 1994, just a voice, a guitar and this
amazing drummer.

women in (e)motion: ani difranco, tradition & moderne musikproduktion
t&m 105

if unavailable in the us, get back to me to work something out.

best wishes,    georg
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georg petersen, heintzestrasse 20, d-24582 bordesholm, germany

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on wed, 30 apr 1997 20:03:27 +0000, you wrote:

>you us fans are really lucky being able to get the album now, over here
>in the uk we've got to wait 'til next monday

over _here_ (germany) i was surprised to find it in stores friday. i
ordered it as an import last week, found no announcement for a german
release date and then surprisingly some other german listie spotted it
and alerted me.

georg
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subject:      nigc:  people are wonderful

i just had to post that i saw melissa ferrick tonight at 'bottom of the hill'
in san
francisco.  it was the first time i ever saw her perform and it certainly is
not going to be my last time.  she is absolutely a wonderful singer and
guitarist.  i enjoyed the show much more than i thought i would for some
reason.  i also met some wonderful list people {hey john miller}  and
non-list people.  melissa is really a sweet and cool singer.  how can you not
like someone who sings "jessie's girl" (rick springfield).

and i can't believe the wonderful surprise that happened.  a few weeks ago my
g/f and i went to see wendy bucklew in santa cruz at a women's bookstore.  we
saw someone taping her show, but for some reason we didn't approach this
woman to try to get a copy of the tape.  i kicked myself black and blue after
that, i regretted so much not getting a boot of this show.  well, much to my
delight at the melissa ferrick show, we ran into the girl who booted the
wendy show.  my g/f introduced us and even though we had never met, she gave
us her copies of the boot to tape and then return to her.  i was
flabbergasted that she put so much trust in us.  i have faith in people but
sometimes things happen that make you realize even more how wonderful and
trusting people can be.  :-))

have an indigo day everyone !!

rose

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subject:      re: rosie & ig tape

hey all....i got a great repro of the rosie show which follows the letterman
show of the previous night.  i'll make copies for trades or a blank vid tape.
i have already made this offer privately to about 10 people as i was reading
my digest so this offer is  made so i don't have to send out so much mail :)


jude :)  <awash is dubbing and loving it :)

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hey y'all,

it's gainesville, georgia - north of atlanta. there's lots of chicken
processing plants up there and a high number of immigrant workers. there's
been some controversy/hypocrisy about it all. amy discusses this briefly in
the tulsa world article from last month (by our college buddy thomas -
shameless plug!) and in this month's stomp and stammer. s & s is always
online at the monsterbit media site, which i believe is
http://www.monsterbit.com and, then, you can find s & s from there.

peace,

susan

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just want to clarify that i didn't mean anything literal about my previous
statement to kate about sticking "the other foot where it really counts..."
violence answers nothing...

whew...ok, didn't want anyone to misunderstand me...
thanks,
lesley

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i too was trapped away from my tv and was let down by my taping method.  i
must see the show.  any help would be greatly appreciated.

neil...

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hi all,
i'm a newcomer to the list.  i've been meaning to sign no for about a
million years and finally got my butt in gear.  my first question is this:
could someone please contact me if they end up with extra tix for the fri.
or sat. night chastain shows?  i'm flying into atlanta from ohio that
weekend to see the girls, but, because i found out about the dates late, the
first two nights were already sold out and i was only able to get seats for
the sun night show. (wow, that's quite the run-on sent., hmm?)  thanks for
any and all help and advice.
peace,
lisa

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hi...  sorry to bother you about this again, but i was sort of in the process
of talking to cathy (?) mayhew about buying the chastain tix that she wanted
to get rid of, and i deleted her e-mail address...  do you still have it, and
if so, could you run it by me again?  thanks!

:) lisa

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this may have been mentioned already, but there's also a gainesville, ga
which is only about 30 min south of where amy lives, the gold rush town
of dahlonega, ga. just a thought. there's also a very big population of
hispanic folks there as well, so it kinda fits well too.
pam ;)

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on sat, 3 may 1997, pamela a beavers wrote:

> this may have been mentioned already, but there's also a gainesville, ga
> which is only about 30 min south of where amy lives, the gold rush town
> of dahlonega, ga. just a thought. there's also a very big population of
> hispanic folks there as well, so it kinda fits well too.
> pam ;)

amy lives in dahlonega?   i was always under the impression that she and
emily both lived in atlanta.

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no shit it was 1492..that's part of the sarcasm... my god....

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it's only life after-all!!!
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just got off the phone with ticketmaster (does anyone know their 1-800
number? i remember using it to order tickets last march but can't find it
listed anywhere, not even on their website).

anyway, they don't have an on-sale date or even any record of the july 10th
show. (st. paul july 9th tickets are still available as of 9:20am saturday,
all seats ga). i have the st. paul promoter's number (showman: 503-234-9698
mon-fri 10am-6pm-pac) but they arent open til monday.

anyone know when the 7/10 tickets will go on sale? thanks! :)

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wow, i finally got my copy of sots yesterday and i love it way more than i
thought i might!  it totally rocks!  in fact, i think it needs warning
labels, like don't listen to it for three hours straight before going to bed
-- you won't be able to sleep with those la la las going through your head (i
made the mistake of trying this last night ... i was awake for hours).  and
i'm sure some of y'all are driving while you listen -- i don't know how you
aren't going off the road!  i will have to wait at least a few more weeks
before i buy the cassette version to listen to in my car -- i cannot dance
and drive at the same time.

i think what i'm most impressed by (as usual) is the girls' ability to
stretch and go to new places with their music.  i *love* when amy sings
emily's chorus part on gotm -- she has really developed her range.  i like
the new instruments and layered sound, it's so interesting to listen to and
dissect.  the addition of piano is great and so perfect for leeds.  and
caramia is starting to grow on me.  and i have to agree with whoever said
sara lee's bass lines really tie the sound together.  right now i'm still
partial to the first four songs, 'cause i'm a sucker for those bouncy
sing-along types, but i'm sure that sooner or later, i'll grow weary of
clearing my head and drinking that sun, and i'll take a closer listen to
scooter boys and burn all the letters and be obsessed with those for a while.

for now, you will find me completely bewildering my two young children by
dancing around the kitchen with the music way too loud.  i'm really happy to
have this new cd.  :-)

heidi in nh

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hey all you philly phans!  :)

i just called the station - the ig sonic session recorded on apr. 18 will
be aired tomorrow (sunday) morning at 9am.  again, that's y100, 100.3 fm
for those of you who don't listen to radio much...  i'll be there with my
tapedeck!

btw, i'm really bummed that i didn't turn rosie on -- i didn't even know
when it was on, but i figured it would be one of those things where the
girls would just play soy and that would be it...  does _anyone_ wanna
tape it for me by any chance?

deb the indigeek

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hi

there is a great new site with info on the new record at:

http://musiccentral.msn.com/weeklyfeatures/article/753/1

they have a long interview that you can read or download the audio for.

'shaming of the sun' lyrics and reviews will be up on the lifeblood site soon.

have a great day

carolyn

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good afternoon,

i do not mean this as a flame or anything mean like that, but mama's gotta
pull this car right on over now!

let's not discuss the personal business of the girls on this list. the
question was: where is gainesville? it has been asked and answered. there is
no need to connect it geographically to where either of the girls may live.
amy has openly discussed in more than one interview the background of the
song soy to the extent she desired. let's let them have their privacy, please.

now, if y'all all behave, mama knows where there's a dipsy doodle in the
next town. anyone for dip cones? alrighty then! ;-)

peace and privacy,

susan


at 11:19 am 5/3/97 edt, pamela a beavers wrote:
>this may have been mentioned already, but there's also a gainesville, ga
>which is only about 30 min south of where amy lives, the gold rush town
>of dahlonega, ga. just a thought. there's also a very big population of
>hispanic folks there as well, so it kinda fits well too.
>pam ;)
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in a message dated 97-05-02 21:47:32 edt, you write:

<< .think again.. hello! are you alive! 1694? ever hear of
columbus? that's when he discovered america!!! ahahahahahahaha!
  >>


did i miss something in all my years of school...i thought columbus
discovered america in 1492...in four-teen hundred and ninty two, columbus
sailed the ocean blue.

mindala

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hey y'all.  go here:

http://www.tvguide.com/music/qa/indigo.htm

new article on the girls and some new pictures.  is that amy in a dress??

peace,
- jen hall

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hello!
i was just wondering if a consensus had been reached in the debate
over what amy means in soy by you know me, jesus.  i was thinking
maybe it's just to make the effect of a conversation, like "you know
me, jeez." just a thought.
-alicia
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insecurities, well they don't belong here."
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an there's a gainesville in georgia.  i've never been there, but i think
its about the size of a flea's butt.  no offense to anyone in
gainsville...i come from a town the size of a flea's little toe, so
you've got one up on me!!!

on fri, 2 may 1997, jay s. wiley wrote:

> >gainesville in what state?
>
> there is one in florida.  it is where uf is!
>
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trying to find out if the indigo girls are bringing their band with them to
richmond on may 27.  also, does anyone know who their "surprise guest
performer" is for that same concert?

thanks!
pam

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on sat, 3 may 1997, jen hall wrote:

> new article on the girls and some new pictures.  is that amy in a dress??

it is indeed.   the picture was taken off the cover of rocket magazine a
couple of years ago.   i've actually displayed it on my web page at:

http://www.aber.ac.uk/~mts5/indigo/rocket.html

mat

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> i thought a lot of his comments were in poor taste. the "lesbian band wagon"
> thing especially. he really seems to be obsessing about ellen's coming out
> way too much. his joking about her lesbianism was getting old and dull by
> wednsday the 30th when ellen came out on her show.i wish he had been more
> sensitive about about the whole thing. love mary

i just have to throw out that i think _everyone_ has been obsessing about
it too much.  the houston paper had 4 seperate articles about ellen on
wednesday, and one more on thursday and a blurb on friday.  the covers
tory of time for crying out loud.  i'm glad she cam eout, i thought it
was very funny, and i have no problem with it at all, but blaming
letterman for making jokes about something which is that much in the
spotlight is going a bit overboard.  and i really didn't thinkk any of
his jokes were all that offensive...some of them weren't all that funny,
and they were predictable, but not really offensive.

of course that's just my opinion, i could be wrong.

darren

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is anyone else having a difficult time with this site?  i'm in my
school's library, which doesn't have audio, but at least the interview
should pull up, shouldn't it?  i'm technologically challenged, so i
haven't the slightest idea anyway!! :)

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> hi
>
> there is a great new site with info on the new record at:
>
> http://musiccentral.msn.com/weeklyfeatures/article/753/1
>
> they have a long interview that you can read or download the audio for.
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> 'shaming of the sun' lyrics and reviews will be up on the lifeblood site soon.
>
> have a great day
>
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      ahhh, the joys of high school. let me just start off by saying how
proud of you i am for coming out so early. i really only started coming
out once i got to college and believe me it gets bettr. just make sure
you go to a liberal school:)
    i used to experience the same feelings you did whn i was in high
school. i used to pray to god every night that he would make me straight.
i hated who i was but now i wouldn't give up being gay for anything.
there is such a strong,supportive community out there who really
understands who you are and what you're feeling.
   as for the religious bit of your post, believe me, god doesn't hate
you. he loves you as much as any straight person. the god that your
english teacher refers to is one of hate  and oppression. is that what
jesus stood for? jesus fought against oppression and tried to open the
minds of those who were condemning society.  if god only loves straight,
christian people and is closed minded to any other way of life send me to
hell. i would rather not be any part of god who is so hateful.
don't give up..keep fighting!
ben

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yes it's true.  benjamin of hey kind friend mumbling fame is actually
benjamin flamer.  he lives in miami beach--go figure.  it took days of
research to figure all this out.  i am sure you are all impressed.  anyway
i have figured out directly from the source himself what the mumbling is
all about.  this is exactly what is said:  "it's hard when they all have so
many to annoy"

so you see it's all a ploy to annoy us!!!!  there is no profound meaning at
all.    he says exactly what he is doing--annoying us!!!  too funny.

oh he also told me that he is a lesbian (right along with alec baldwin). :o

quote of the day:  "that's so cool to hear you singing our songs"--es to
rosie proving how humble the girls are even after all their fame.

quote of the year so far:  "she dumped her like a gay little hot
potato"--audrey on ellen

words/phrases used by ig that make me go--wow, they did well on their
sat's:  hurtle, venomous, incarnate, struck mute at entrance, pristine.

ig words to be added to webster's:  withoutyouness,
ohyeaheeohyeaheeohyeahee (ulali phrase in batl)

words used most often in sots:  sheets, and, the, you  :)

my favorite cereals:  lucky charms, froot loops, crispix

general observation of the day:  how come fig newtons can never stay fresh
in those supposed stay fresh moist packs.  i practically vacuum sealed them
shut and they are now rock hard.  hmmph!

i'm drifting......have a nice weekend folks

greg

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hey, y'all!!!!

        just thought i'd share my joy with you.  my mom's the best- she got
me tickets to see ig in jersey- wohoo!!!!  does anyone know where the
$28.50 seats are located?    those are the tickets that she got for me.
the prices were $30.50, $28.50, and $23.50 (lawn).  i'm sooooo psyched.  ig
and u2 in the course of four days- it's going to be one hell of a week.
i'm floating!!!!

                hope all you jerseyites fared as well as i did,

                               sarah :-)

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ok! does anybody got any info on the boston pride ig thing other than the
date because i am really excited!!! it would make sense that the girls would
be there because #1 they are playing greatwoods the day before (yes!!!
woo-hoo!!!) , and #2 because well...they're gay and proud (go ahead and state
the obvious a couple of more times mare!) . anyway it would be way awesome if
anybody could give me any amount of information on this subject! thanks!
love, mary ô¿ô

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on sat, 3 may 1997, greg flamer wrote:
> ig words to be added to webster's:  withoutyouness,
> ohyeaheeohyeaheeohyeahee (ulali phrase in batl)
>
yesterday i had this going through my head all day.  i just love their
wail!  i have to get one of their albums.  ulali rocks.
ooohwaayee ohwaayeeaaaaaaaahhhhhhh!

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it?  i pray a lot about these bad feelings inside but i can't pray my way
through or around it.--emily saliers
*****gwen keyt******
seattle pacific university
bsn class of 1997!!!
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subject:      la cruces boot?

hi. i'm hearing all this great stuff about the la cruces boot but i don't
know where to get ahold of a copy. <sniffles and sadness> would some kind
list person please email me if whoever it is would be willing to make me a
copy or know where i could get one? we could do a trade cause i have some
other ig boots, a few ani boots and one catie curtis boot. thanks ever so
much!

-catherine = )

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hey everyone...fyi:

i was thumbing thru entertainment weekly (may 2 ed.) and there's a two page
article on ani difranco called "radical chick: sure, the times they are
a-changin, but is america ready for gender-bending punk-folkie ani difranco?"

i'm about halfway thru it and it's pretty good so far...

have a good one everyone...!

joni :o)

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subject:      send rosie e-mail...

i think we all should e-mail rosie and thank her for actually talking to the
indigo girls.  ya know? i mean, like, letterman didn't even let them say one
word. and didn't melissa etheridge have to cut a whole verse out of a song
just to be able to sit and talk to him for a minute? so anyways, let's show
rosie our support and e-mail her...
~ren
here's the web site where you can do that:

http://www.rosieo.com/cmp/mail.htm

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if you can, listen to the entire 28 minute interview via realaudio. the
written transcript on the site leaves out entire chunks of the conversation
that are really interesting and fun. imagine, 28 minutes of amy and emily
talking! :) you also miss neat things like the way emily says "we love
them" (referring to the roches). listening to the interview made me realize
just how much is lost when the spoken word is written down. some of the
things they said in this interview sound different on the audio than they
do when i first read them in the written transcript just because of their
voice inflections and the words they stress in a sentence. it was neat to
hear. :)

i love near the end when the interviewer asks if they had heard of
sleater-kinney and they say "who?" and she rambles on about the band and
they both sound really intrigued.

the video clip is also very cool (it has the "strawberry/black beans and
rice" bit from watershed and then a very short clip from what looks like
the shame on you video. too short but still neat-o. amy is way smiley in
several of the pictures -- ok, i admit, i went through each frame one at a
time. :p i can't wait to see the entire thing! :) it would be so cool if
they released a photo book like u2 did back in the joshua tree dark ages
with all those anton corbijn pictures taken in the california desert. these
new shots of a&e remind me of that photo shoot except a&e are in color.

thanks carolyn for telling us about this site, it's one of the best i've seen.

http://musiccentral.msn.com/weeklyfeatures/article/753/1
(in case you missed the address the first time)

kristina

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sorry for the non-ig content, but this in reponse to kate's situation,
and as others may be interested, i thought i'd post this.  if you're not
interested, please feel free to delete it immediately.  :)

there is a national organization (based in new york, but with chapters
all over the country) called glstn -- the gay, lesbian, and straight
teachers network.  its goal is to make schools safe for all students,
with an emphasis on decreasing homophobia, and not all of its members
are teachers.

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>over _here_ (germany) i was surprised to find it in stores friday. i

>ordered it as an import last week, found no announcement for a german

>release date and then surprisingly some other german listie spotted it

>and alerted me.


... according to an official statement of epic germany, the release date fo=
r sots here in germany was monday, 28th - pretty fast, i think ...

klaus emrich

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hey everyone ...

i've finally have this one ready for anyone interested:

kd lang
august 24, 1996
oakdale theatre
wallingford, ct

e-mail me privately if interested !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

chris

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sorry this is nigc, but after reading what happened to kate, i just
have to share that the same thing has happened to me, but in college..
..thursday in an automotive design class, my teacher says "so, did
anyone watch ellen,,,,and a bunch of fellow students said no "i
wouldnt waste my time" and the teacher said "good, me either"  and
went on a rant about how ellen is a freak and blah blah blah...so
then 5 other students started gay bashing...saying hateful and
bigoted things that i won't bother to repeat here.....i was the only
one saying nothing (there were only 8 of us in the classroom at the
time). this went on for about 15 minutes.......i was in total shock...
..i have never heard that much hatred spewing out of anyone in my
life...i am 34 years old, and that is the closest i have come to
being "gay bashed"....i never expressed my sexual preference to any
of those students, but i am sure they had already stereotyped me......
the line that really pissed me off was "ellen is not a bad looking
chick, so why would she resort to being a lesbian,,,that is sick,,,
she could have a guy"....i was so appalled and sickened,,,,i did not
say anything.....i just stuck my face in my work, and said nothing....
my grade in the class revolves around a term project that is due next
week...i was worried that if i stood up to the teacher...it would
jeopardize my grade....what a coward i am!! i should have set them
straight.....i feel just awful that i let them walk all over me.......
i should have stood up to them.......now i am sad and dissapointed in
myself....  =(
sorry for the nigc and length......

forever indigo
cathy

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i really do love my mom....but yesterday i called home an hour before rosie
started and asked her to tape it, which she did....she wrote, "i taped the
rosie o'donnel show with one hitch.  i got the whole program minus
commercials and minus the indigo girls singing their song!  i did get their
interview."

oh well....no indigo girls.  you gotta love your parents though!  my mom
tried so hard.

jay

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keep it in your heart like a stone
and when the winds have blown
things round and back again
what was once your pain will be your home.
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                "everthing in its own time"

jay s. wiley '00
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these are not only miracles but also little charms thought to bring about
miracles that are attached to certain religious objects such as
candles,crosses,etc.maybe the refrence is about these charms.
                                              laurabell

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does anyone know the chords for any songs on sots?  if anyone knows any,
please let me know.  i'm used to listening to ig with my guitar in my lap
playing along, it's hard to just sing.  i'm too lazy to try to figure them
all out.  but if i do figure some out, i'll let ya know....thanks
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hello
anyone know what amy says in shed your skin its something like this..." i
been lookin to find you.."    and i cant really make out the rest. it's not
in the lyric sheet, and its kind of muffled.  i love this song!!!!!!!!!
anyone else??
-kim

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>my mother says it's just life...i say it sucks.  *grin*  i got the tape ready
for
>rosie...had to run out the door to my other job, and forgot to hit "record".
so...i missed >it.


i forgot to change my clock on the vcr for daylight savings time and i
came home to a tape of the price is right. when i called my mom to whine,
she told me she knew i would mess it up. so she taped it for me!  thanks
mom!  unforunately, she is at her summer home, so i haven't got to see it
yet.

missy - who is hoping to see the rosie show soon.

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in a message dated 97-04-30 20:51:31 edt, shuey@tcac.com (justin shumaker)
writes:

<< this is a song which i think i could love...i just have to work out in my
mind what it means to me.  any and all opinions would be appreciated...has
anyone listened to it enough to have some ideas?
  >>

this song is one of my favorites, not because of what it means...but because
of how it sounds.  there's a lot of power here.  when i saw emily sing this
at unh and mama kin, i thought i was witnessing some sort of breakthrough.  i
had never seen emily sing with such power and intensity before.  it's one of
the things i love about amy-she doesn't hold back.  i used to feel that emily
did, but not with this song.
rena

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i just saw on the lilith fair home page that july 22nd is the date for great
woods!! tickets go on sale may 11th

- jan
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i have rosie---we didn't have any helicopter-worthy problems in iowa at the
time! i was at work, and a friend taped it for me. the tape also has ellen's
big episode and ig on letterman, if you need those. i'll even promise to have
my video-whiz friend not retape all the lovely des moines, iowan commercial
breaks! trades are encouraged, but e me and we'll talk!
it's so nice that my very first post to the list gets to be such good news!
lol
chel

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hi all - we think the "missing verse" is something like this:

i've been looking to find you
but it's a little too late, too soon
yeah, i'm looking in doubt and fire
and the spirits i abuse in you, in you

(although at the live x, it was "spirits i abuse for you")

that's our best guess. anyone else? bueller? bueller?

peace,
susan & jocie

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subject:      shame on you chords

shame on you
a5-(i'm not sure if this an a5 but i know what the chord looks like) - 002200
d - 000232
e- 022100

ok, there they are. they are played throughout the whole song but sometimes
in a different sequence.  have fun. sorry if they are wrong but i'm pretty
sure they are right

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guten tag, georg and all indigo folks,

so you could actually find ani's stuff in deutschland? georg, if you're
in bremem i might just run into you on the street sometime this summer.
my freund lives in potsdam, but i *might* study in hochschule bremen.

can you tell us more about this women's music festival? does bremem hold
such festival annually? and more importantly, who's coming to deutschland
this summer? i'll also be in daenemark and norwegen.

let me know any good record stores i should check out too.

tschuess,
han

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subject:      amy & daemon...

hey, ya'll...

    this is probably any incredibly stupid question, but what is daemon that
amy kept talking about in the interview?  is that her side band?  sorry, i
didn't know... that is an incredible web site, though!  thanks alot for it!
they are just so terrific---*sigh*  i've already watched rosie 3 times--i
love the way amy laughs! =)
hope ya'll have a great weekend!

love,
kate

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in a message dated 97-05-03 16:33:27 edt, sofarrel@scott.skidmore.edu (sarah
o'farrell) writes:

<<
         just thought i'd share my joy with you.  my mom's the best- she got
me tickets to see ig in jersey- wohoo!!!!  does anyone know where the
$28.50 seats are located?    those are the tickets that she got for me.
the prices were $30.50, $28.50, and $23.50 (lawn).  i'm sooooo psyched.  ig
and u2 in the course of four days- it's going to be one hell of a week.
i'm floating!!!! >>

for everyone who stood out in the rain to get tickets,("there's an entire
mall inside....yet they kept us standing in the rain for an hour?!?!?!
bastards.), the pnc seating chart is located at:
           http://events.ticketmaster.com/ny1/41/seat.html

smiles : )
annemarie

~~~http://members.aol.com/debatediva/index.html~~~

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hi y'all--

we realize that it's been awhile since the concert at penn state, but good
things come to those who wait! :) we've put together a boot that includes
both the boot of the show and the interview beforehand! yea us!

the show itself is on a 90 minute tape and the encore and the interview are
on a 60 minute tape. both heather and i are very interested in trading, but
are willing to take blanks too. so, if you're interested and your b-day is
january thru june email tamara at tmg123@psu.edu and if you fall in july
thru december email feather at sweetjane@geocities.com. okey-dokey?

by the way, if anyone emailed feather for a copy of the interview, please
email her again. we're startin' from scratch here folks! :) the people that
i emailed after the show, please get in touch with me, okay?

these boot get five claws up from emily the cat! :)

tamara :)

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just saw ulali at the painted bride arts center in philly.  they are
*really* good.  they were tired, which made for a lot of really funny
dialogue, but you couldn't tell from the singing.  they will opening for
ig in hartford and i'm not sure where else.  it was suni's birthday
yesterday so jennifer and some friends or relatives who were in the
audience got her a cake and gave it to her in the middle of the
show....um, let's just say they got the cake at the erotic bakery and
leave it at that.  i was front row center so i saw more than i cared to.

there was one part where they dedicated a song to all the guys in the
audience, and then one of them made the comment, "maybe after we tour
with the indigo girls for a while we'll be dedicating this one to the
women.....gotta be open minded you know."  got a lot of clapping and
laughs for that one.

the show really deserves a better more thorough review than this one, but
i am exhausted so it'll have to do.  and i'm bummed...i was too broke to
get their cd.  ahhh the life of a soon-to-be-unemployed college
almost-graduate!

later y'all,
audrey

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my friend the ex-listee just gave me an "indigo girls road sign" which
someone named joe hamilton from florida, whom she id'd as a fellow listtee,
sent to her "a couple years ago."  i don't want to open the still-duct-taped
package before i put it in summer storage, but i want to know what the sign
says/the story behind it.  joe or other involved parties, are ya out there?
amanda c. goad
rice pride/rice college bowl/rice veggie club/sid women's football/fondren
govpubs
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-- aug 6th  antioch, tn / starwood  / tickets on sale may 10

-- aug 20th shakopee, mn / canterbury park / tickets on sale june 14th

deb

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subject:      2 extra calendars!

hey all,
i work at a book & record store chain, & today went shopping in one of our
retail locations. i was talking to one of the record people & mentioned
something about my search for the promo calendar. he said "wait-- i think
there are some of those under some stuff on my desk". i hustled him back
there & ransacked his office & came up with a little stack of them!! woo hoo!
not trying to be greedy, i talked him out of 3. i now have two extras to
offer to the first 2 people who want them! i'll even pay postage. (for people
in the dc area-- i'm talking about olssons!)
i also found a target that carries the "starter kit" & am more than willing
to get them for people who can't get them where they are-- let me know!
-having a great indigo weekend...
alexandra

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boo hoo to all those who could not access this site because we use
netscape instead of msnbc program.  oh, well...anyone have this half
hour interview recorded or fully transcribed?  (is this far fetched?
just wondering and wandering...)

seona

kristina wrote:
>
> if you can, listen to the entire 28 minute interview via realaudio. the
> written transcript on the site leaves out entire chunks of the conversation
> that are really interesting and fun. imagine, 28 minutes of amy and emily
> talking! :) you also miss neat things like the way emily says "we love
> them" (referring to the roches). listening to the interview made me realize
> just how much is lost when the spoken word is written down. some of the
> things they said in this interview sound different on the audio than they
> do when i first read them in the written transcript just because of their
> voice inflections and the words they stress in a sentence. it was neat to
> hear. :)
>
[cut]
>
> the video clip is also very cool (it has the "strawberry/black beans and
> rice" bit from watershed and then a very short clip from what looks like
> the shame on you video. too short but still neat-o. amy is way smiley in

>
> thanks carolyn for telling us about this site, it's one of the best i've seen.
>
> http://musiccentral.msn.com/weeklyfeatures/article/753/1
> (in case you missed the address the first time)

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on sun, 4 may 1997 09:41:55 +0800 (cst), han wrote:

> so you could actually find ani's stuff in deutschland?

all over every major store, not that she's getting much airplay, but
her records are distributed in europe by cooking vinyl records in
england and they sure do some promotion. ani got almost a full page in
the february issue of the german rolling stone magazine.

> can you tell us more about this women's music festival? does bremem hold
>such festival annually?

at least from 88 to 94. i found a 1994 news article about funding cuts
and neither the festival nor it's producer petra hanisch turned up as
i rattled the search engines. i'm afraid it's history.

>and more importantly, who's coming to deutschland
>this summer?

the usual lamers.

i'll be at this festival http://www.rudolstadt.de/tanzfest/tfhomep.htm

>i'll also be in daenemark and norwegen.

denmark ? europes biggest rock/alternative/whatsoever festival
(100.000 + people) takes place the first weekend in july. search the
web for 'roskilde'.

> let me know any good record stores i should check out too.

cds are quite expensive here, you'll have more fun checking flea
markets, many people here trashed their turntables and you get lots of
70s and 80s vinyl for $ 2 there.

there are some specialized vendors that are very devoted to new
american music, be it country, folk, southern or zydeco.

look here: http://www.ontide.de/glitterhouse

get back to me when you are in germany, i live three hours from
bremen, maybe we can meet at some concert and have a beer or two.

read u,  georg


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well, here's my obligatory list of random thoughts...

first: i want to officially call for an organized discussion on song
interpretations: we can bring back the "song of the week" thread or
whatever. it's not enough to hear "i love it!" or "i hate it!" i wanna
talk about what it means!!!! now, i know that means we should go in
order, but i don't wanna. i wanna start with sys. (wow, what a song btw.)
ok, now amy typically uses multiple meanings, and words with ambiguous
meanings, but the first line "115 you are 17" ain't ambiguous words.
they're _numbers_ so there has to be a specific meaning. right? so the
question is, what things do we use numbers to name? and the most likely
answer imho came to me from a non-lister. _bible_verses_. so let's chuck
that around for a bit. another possibility i thought of was laws, or
legal acts. but i think it's biblical, since i think the whole song is
dripping with religious, or spiritual references. i'm going to toss out
some word associations: snakes, anger, spriritual visions or
"trance-like" states...wild!

second: i know it's been asked, but what's a scooter boy? and along those
lines for those who care: sb is an instant obsession for me.

third: anyone else get the impression that emily has a real love/hate
relationship with her fame and fans? lots and lots of bitter, unhappy
references to her fame. makes me sad.

fourth: i'm trying to respect differences of opinion, but i can't even
_fathom_ not being able to listen to caramia. i can just feel it becoming
emily's chickenman. (remember all you out there who hated c-man before
you heard the soc version live?).

fifth: "withoutyouness" is my new favorite word. ;)  (greg! you took my
comment! no fair! ;) and _loved_ your post, sweety. :)

sixth: album reviews. i hate them. (especially the bad ones. ;) now i know
i'm going to offend the reviewers on this list, but i've never
understood the nature the job. someone hands you an album and says,
listen, and write what you think. ok, fine. but isn't it all just one
person's opinion. i mean, you can give factual info about what kind of
music, and all, but a "good" or "bad" review is always just a personal
opinion. if someone handed me a rap album and said, write what you think,
i'd write lots of really unpleasant, unflattering things. that wouldn't
mean that rap fans wouldn't love it. so what's the point????? just venting.

seventh: comments about benjamin (the "friend" on hkf). according to the
liner notes he's the one talking. am i the only one here who's heard him
live and thinking, "hey wait a minute, i thought his voice was _waaaaaay_
deeper than that?" but on second thought i guess it is him. all the
guests on hkf are from the band "smoke." they are an _experience_ to see.
i saw them once a year and a half ago, and i _still_ can't decide what i
thought of them. as for comments on the cornet: i agree it's sort of
awkward, but if you'd ever heard smoke you'd know that the cornet is just
perfectly "them."

eighth: i totally agree with whoever said that batl is emily's vw vol 2.
i really get the feeling that the first verse is spoken directly to
virginia woolf.

ninth: (geeze, there's a lot of these, aren't there?) "nature's
dichotomy." i can think of a lot of them: good/evil, male/female,
physical/spiritual, positive/negative, the beastie boys/indigo girls...
i'm thinking she probably means good/evil. but maybe not. other
possibilities?

done for now.
folkisgruven,
lorindigo


still driving...
lorinda wright           the trouble in my head is getting closer and closer
washington university     to my legs i've got to walk it out. and the trouble
st. louis, mo             with my heart is that i can't rip it out. and the
                          trouble with myself is that i don't know me.
                                                        -melissa ferrick
                    i will not be complacent

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it seems that if you have real audio, you can listen to y100 from anywhere.
go to http://www.y100.com/ra/y100.ram.  the ig sonic session is on at 9 am
on sunday, may 4.

andi

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hey kfs,

we (tamara and i) forgot to include the setlist of the penn state boot
that we are now offering to the masses:
(i'm sure if you were *really* interested you could have looked it up,
but i'm posting this for the benefit of those who like to act on impulse
and/or may be interested in getting a boot with a particular song)

tape 1: (90 minutes)
thin line
get out the map
reunion
caramia
shame on you
power of two
shed your skin
it's alright
cut it out
mystery
hey kind frined
least complicated
scooter boys
everything in its own time
**question and answer time!!**
chickenman
galileo

**includes the david duchovney survey, amy's sudden dysfunction with
mystery, the
rainbow-basketballs-protesting-penn-state's-homophobic-women's-basketball-coach,
and much more!!

tape 2: (60 minutes)
encore: (w/ lift and dave elison (sp?), tour manager)
tried to be true
bmhawk
closer to fine

interview -- conducted by me (feather) before the concert.  **includes
many song intricacies explained, amy's feelings on the list's b-day
present, a very corny station i.d., and much more!!

act now!!  if your birthday is anytime during january through june,
contact tamara (and emily the cat...) at tmg123@psu.edu; if it's anytime
during july through december, contact moi (feather) at
sweetjane@geocities.com.

terms of trade:  we got two tapes, so you give two tapes, be it two
boots or two blank tapes.  please include your list of offerings when
asking to trade so as to cut down on the back-and-forth negotiations.

i apologize for this being the second offer tonight, but god if i'm not
in the mood to advertise.  i also apologize to tamara for not giving you
prior notice...you don't mind, do you?  if so, flame me privately and be
nice.  i'm fragile.

lurve,
feather
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love you good and strong while our love is good and young..."
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hey everyone!  :)

i am heading off to university in the fall (eeek!  total
apprehension.) and am in need of a new printer for my computer.
now, it is a toss-up between a bubble jet printer or a laser printer.
the bubble jet printer has colour abilities and *laser qualities* -- but
it is not specifically a _laser printer_.  supposedly the difference
between the two is very little.  but, i have heard various rumours
that professors at university demand laser printers or else.  is this
true?  i would much rather purchase the bubble jet printer because it
costs less, plus the colour aspect would come in handy for my
course of study.

do professors only want the *laser quality* or do they want
the assignment to actually come from a laser printer?  can anyone
let me know from personal experience?  please respond privately to
avoid additional list traffic.  or feel free to respond publicly if
you want to start a thread or two.  ;)

thanks for your help!

sincerely,
lisa j. :)  --> debating whether to see scream a second time.  i
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        a wonderful wonderful lister on the wron... errr... i mean on the east
side of the state (hugs!! jk!) is sending us her orignal tape  of the rosie
ep sans the king 5  enhancement with helicopter coverage of a subdivion
with police cars!!  i forgot to ask if i can publically post how wonderful
she is by name, but trust me, she is!  heck - she replied within, like, a
half hour of my report of the problem!
        so, here is what jeni and i are willing to do for y'all since you're all
cool and were danielle groupies with us and have let us come to your places
and eat food and stuff.  get a video tape to me that you want it on, and as
soon as we have the tape, we'll record it for you.  contact me to set this
up, we can meet at the u or use snail or meet somewhere else, whatever.
we'll work it out, no formality required.

        whoo hooo!!

        at this point, we are limiting this to just the pnwers in the range of the
king 5 annoyance.  we'll see how much time etc. we have after all the
pnwers are done in regard to further copies.

tracy and jeni

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on sat, 3 may 1997, kristina wrote:

> if you can, listen to the entire 28 minute interview via realaudio. the
> written transcript on the site leaves out entire chunks of the conversation
> that are really interesting and fun. imagine, 28 minutes of amy and emily
> talking! :) you also miss neat things like the way emily says "we love
> them" (referring to the roches). listening to the interview made me realize
> just how much is lost when the spoken word is written down. some of the
> things they said in this interview sound different on the audio than they
> do when i first read them in the written transcript just because of their
> voice inflections and the words they stress in a sentence. it was neat to
> hear. :)

is there any chance that someone out there could transcribe the whole
interview?   at this college we can't get real audio, because the computer
unit people say it would take up so much bandwidth that it would crash the
whole network.

mat

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a suggestion for those of you who don't like the digipacs because they get
too much wear and tear: buy a jewel case, take one those nifty calanders
and put it in the front as a cover. it saves the digipac case and
preserves the calander and looks like a real ig cd. just pop the plastic
cd holder out and put in your own play list and you're all set. solved my
problems marvelously. :)

peace and preservation,
amy

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subject:      that anorexia song

hi!!
i saw ig at hofstra and they played a song ( amy sang) and one of the lines
in it was something about the girls with anorexia. i remember that song
because the lyrics were perfect for the situation my sister was currently
having, and i remember looking at her and smiling when amy was singing. but
that song isnt on the album. was that a cover song from someone else? does
anyone have any information about it?? i saw a fellow listee asked the same
question, but no one answered her. i would really like to know, as would my
sister!!!!!
thanks

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hi all,
following the up the sys analysis.  while i agree that there's a good chance
the number reference could be something biblical, my first reaction to it
was that "115" was a time and "17" an age.  you know when you're up late and
thinking about the past.  however, that might not jive w/the immediacy of
"come on over *now*".  what's milagro?  and, i, too, didn't catch the
scooter boys conversation and am wondering about the reference.  (it remined
me of that sinead song about "black boys on mopeds".) have a fab day.
lisa
ps still desperately looking for chastain tx for fri or sat night. anyone?
anyone?


i wanna
>talk about what it means!!!! now, i know that means we should go in
>order, but i don't wanna. i wanna start with sys. (wow, what a song btw.)
>ok, now amy typically uses multiple meanings, and words with ambiguous
>meanings, but the first line "115 you are 17" ain't ambiguous words.
>they're _numbers_ so there has to be a specific meaning. right? so the
>question is, what things do we use numbers to name? and the most likely
>answer imho came to me from a non-lister. _bible_verses_. so let's chuck
>that around for a bit. another possibility i thought of was laws, or
>legal acts. but i think it's biblical, since i think the whole song is
>dripping with religious, or spiritual references. i'm going to toss out
>some word associations: snakes, anger, spriritual visions or
>"trance-like" states...wild!

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howdy!

due to circumstances beyond our control (that is, we have no control, and had to buy a few extra cds to obtain various promotional items) we now have a few brand spanking new sots cds that we do not need (after all, we can only listen to one cd at a time, or two, at the most, when at work at our separate computers)

so . . . this offer is for those of you that haven't bought sots yet because of financial difficulties - let us know and we can work out something for cheap! we'll even foot the postage - so tell us your sob story and win a prize! ;-)

there is no catch - these are actual cds purchased lawfully, and we'd rather sell them to the list than return them to the stores - wouldn't want to skew first week sales, y'know! ;-)

peace,
susan
&
jocie

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i just heard and taped the y100 sonic session.  they cut out most of the
dialogue including the psu comments (i only hope it was out of time
constraints but i'm not gonna be the one to ask).  i think the only
thing they kept was amy's comments on the new-instrument-for-emily game
and their showing off of their nail polish (if i remember correctly
emily's was blue; amy was very emphatic about preferring the "clear
variety.")  i *think* it'll fit on a thirty-minute side but it might go
over by a couple of minutes, i'm not sure because i used a 50-minute side
to be safe.  anyway my copy seems to be extremely clear and the show
itself was excellent.  certainly worthy of a tree.

i'm still bummed about not getting to hear lift that day, so i thought it
would be appropriate to fill the other 30 minute side with a lift boot or
part of a boot.  that's assuming some exist and lift is cool with
booting.  anyone have answers?  anyone have an appropriate boot?  if not,
anyone have another relevant performer to put on the other side?

as soon as i find something good for the other side, i plan to work with
whoever has it to get a seed and then ask again for someone to help out
with setting up a tree.  if anyone else got a clean copy of the sonic
session and wants to offer it up before this happens (or wants to take
over this task), go for it.  i'll be moving around a bunch in the next
month or two so i really have no idea how fast i'd be able to get
anything out.

later y'all,
audrey

p.s.  something i forgot from the ulali review: puta fe's rattle is made
with rattling things, coke and pepsi cans, and duct tape.  i would choose
fresca myself, but i thought that was pretty cool.

oh, and go see the watermelon woman.  it's good, low-budget, independent,
not rated, shot in philly, quotes go fish in the beginning, written and
directed by cheryl dunye.....and worth the price just to see cheryl dunye
and guinevere turner together.

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> and their showing off of their nail polish (if i remember correctly
> emily's was blue; amy was very emphatic about preferring the "clear
> variety.")

and did y'all notice it in the letterman show?  i thought it looked like
em was wearing black, but it could've been blue...  <smile>  personally
i'm usually too embarrassed by my real short guitar-fingernails so i
never wear nailpolish...   but hey, if em does, maybe it helps...


deb, who's superstitious enough and needs enough help on her guitar
        skills that she's now on her way out to buy that same shade of
        indigo nailpolish ;)

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hey, all...if you use netscape (fight the microsoft power!!!...sorry) and
have tried to see the music central ig site you will notice that it doesn't
work.  it's microsoft's site, so i guess they think it's funny or
somethin'.

but i found a way around it, and maybe it'll work for you, too.  here's
what i did.

1.  go to http://musiccentral.msn.com/weeklyfeatures/article/753/1.  but
watch out.  after it loads, it will re-direct you to another site which is
identical to the one you were just on; however, if you're using netscape,
it will just look like a blank page with a guitar in the background.  no
words, no nothin'.  bad.

2.  how do you get around this?  go to the site above, and after it loads
everything, immediately (quick, now!) press the stop button.  the page that
you're on isn't as nice visually as the one it tries to take you to, but it
will let you access all the cool stuff.  (but remember, everytime you go
back to the main page, you'll have to press stop to keep it from taking you
to microsoft explorer land.

this was my expereience, and i hope it works for all you netscape users.
(results may vary...writer not responsible for any frustrastion or damages.
:)

have fun, y'all...

justin

p.s.--one of the coolest things on the site is a realaudio clip of "closer
to fine" as performed by pop-punk band sicko.  it is so coooool.  i want
their cd.

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subject:      kmtt/austin tape tree

hey everyone!!

okay, here's the scoop on this tape tree.

side a:  kmtt broadcast of the listener party, 4/30/97, taped from the
radio, excellent quality. emily breaks a string!!!
shed your skin
get out the map
dgtgag
cara mia
shame on you
everything in it's own time
scooter boys
galileo

side b:  the backyard, austin, tx, 4/3/97, practice tour.  only half the
show (it's all i have)  but it's also pretty good sound quality.  and
they say some cute stuff.
bmhawkl(cut off)
it's alright
chiapas bound
hammer and a nail
winthrop
chickenman
galileo
hey kind friend
shame on you

it's a 90 min tape!!

here's the branches:

aries: tracy  <salray1@webtv.net>
taurus: rob <phite@cybergate.net>
gemini: trisha <bergmann@coral.rutgers.edu>
cancer: lisa <nordeelm@caa.mrs.umn.edu>
leo: lori <kevinh@plix.com>
virgo: carrie <macuzr@aol.com>
libra: bon <bonster@bp05.u.washington.edu>
scorpio: betsy <bbertiaux@spectrumctls.com>
sagittarius: gwen <gkeyt@paul.spu.edu>
capricorn: sundara <sundarling@juno.com>
aquarius: alexandra <aaogilvie@aol.com>
pisces: cathy <zmft36a@prodigy.com>

canada:  robin <robin_squires@ymca.ca>

please contact your branch and they'll give you there addy and stuff.
they don't have their tapes yet, so be a little patient.  and please
email me if you have any questions/problems/concerns.  also, if anyone
wants to be an overseas branch, let me know.

i hope you all enjoy it!!

love,
sundara

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on sun, 4 may 1997, justin shumaker wrote:

> hey, all...if you use netscape (fight the microsoft power!!!...sorry) and
> have tried to see the music central ig site you will notice that it doesn't
> work.  it's microsoft's site, so i guess they think it's funny or
> somethin'.

as much as i dislike microsoft's "imperialism" over the computer software
industry, i can't really agree that this is an example of it.   this site
is not the only one where the text is incompatible with the background
imagery.   it's not microsoft's fault, it's a bug in netscape.   it's
their fault.   hopefully they'll fix this bug in coming editions, which
will be a good thing, because netscape is a better browser than m$ie
(imho).

mat

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subject:      wheaton boot--coming soon!!!

hello all!

first, i would like to say thank you to all of you who offered to be branches.
you rule. :)  i have contacted those who will be a part of the tree.  i am still
looking for an overseas branch, so if anyone is interested, please contact me!

the tree will be posted in a couple of days...i am waiting for responses from
all the branches.

thanks for your patience....

kelly
kfairbairn@stonehill.edu

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can you exit the list temporarily?  like only for a couple weeks?  or do you
just have to unsubscribe and then re-subscribe?

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my first thought was 115=temperature (though i kinda like the bible verse
idea too) and 17=age.  anybody ever notice how darn many songs have
references to 17-year-olds? (i can think of jackson browne, richard
thompson, m. etheridge (2), for now...)
amanda c. goad
rice pride/rice college bowl/rice veggie club/sid women's football/fondren
govpubs
"once you can walk on water, i might listen to you fellas."
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i am going to store my skiis and then if dad wants me to have them home for
skiing season, he can take them back with him parent's weekend.  i don't
need them home now, and it will free up some more car space.

aml
aml

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subject:      bartender blues?

in the 1200 curfews insert i have been trying to read the set lists and
other notes they used as background.  i noticed bartender blues by ghost,
and maybe a song called finlandia by least complicated.  i have never
heard these songs, anyone know what they are?  my guess is covers, or
just unreleased stuff like problem child.

jeremy

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subject:      re: sys numbers

i immediately thought with the "you are 17" that she was speaking to a
17-year-old person.  but the 115 has me baffled.  the first thing i thought
of was a year, like the year 115.  anybody know of anything of historical
significance that happened that year (either bc or ad)???  i sure don't!

peace, harmony & indigo,

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well, it's been done.  "virginia woolf" has been replaced as my favorite
emily song.  i can't stop listening to "everything in its own time".
although vw will always have a special place in my heart - eiiot is just
perfect.  i love the guitar that em plays.  it's amazing what a different
set of strings can do.  but this song is just perfect.

also, i know we've discussed the layout of the lyrics and all in the cd
booklet - but i don't remember seeing anybody mentioning the fact that
there are no personal "thank you's".  sure, they're are the normal thank
you's for the recording studios and to sony, and a brief "all our
relations", but they usually thank people individually.  and that lacks
here.  any thoughts?

take care all and have a great week!
- jen hall

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> netscape is a better browser than m$ie(imho).

i don't understand the "$" in m$ie. microsoft might be trying to monopolize
the software industry but the latest version of ie is *free* for the taking,
unlike netscape.

personally i think that the browser that is best is each of them. it all
depends on which one you used first and are more comfortable with. they all
have their strong points and downfalls

- jan
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subject:      re: pnw listers!! rosie - a kind soul taking pity on us!

in a message dated 97-05-04 02:54:18 edt, trace@wolfenet.com (tracy - back
home with her mountain) writes:

<<  a wonderful wonderful lister on the wron... errr... i mean on the east
side of the state (hugs!! jk!) is sending us her orignal tape  of the rosie
ep sans the king 5  enhancement with helicopter coverage of a subdivion
with police cars!!  >>

uhhh . . . does this mean i am no longer in charge of doing this?  what
happened?  i was all set to get a little baby tree (a sapling, maybe?) up.
oh well, if you want to do it, that's totally cool with me.  less
un-important work and more important work for me, i guess. =)

-elizabeth

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at 12:12 pm 5/4/97 -0400, samantha wrote:
>i am going to store my skiis and then if dad wants me to have them home for
>skiing season, he can take them back with him parent's weekend.  i don't
>need them home now, and it will free up some more car space.

well, samantha, it's a good thing you shared this with the list....because
we were all waiting to see what you were going to do with your skiis now
that it's spring.  i don't think they'll have a place on the island, unless
they're water skiis and unless someone is bringing a motor boat.

i, for one, can sleep tonite knowing that your skiis are in good hands.

have a happy day y'all!

(before you flame me for poking fun at samantha, this was a j-o-k-e....so
everybody chuckle, ok?)

later dudes and dudettes....


joni :o)

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subject:      sots top 5!!!  :)

ok y'all, it's time for a new top 5 - well, i guess really a top 1.....hmmmm

anyway, which song *from the new album* would most bother you if it was stuck
in your head all day, and whic one wouldn't you mind having stuck in your
head????

bothersome:  cut it out
sing-along with the voices in my head <grin>: it's alright

peace, harmony & indigo,

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on sun, 4 may 1997, jan m. vansyckel wrote:

> > netscape is a better browser than m$ie(imho).
>
> i don't understand the "$" in m$ie. microsoft might be trying to monopolize
> the software industry but the latest version of ie is *free* for the taking,
> unlike netscape.

this is a fairly typical case of a company using their weight from
dominating other parts of the market to force competitors out of the
market.   netscape charges for its browser because its trade is web
browsers, and has no other way of making money.   m$ can afford to put its
browser out for free, because it dominates nearly every other part of the
software market.

and netscape is also free for academic and some other users.   home and
business users have to pay for netscape, although i think it's bundled
with some isp connection packages.   which, of course, might change now
that m$ has made its product free.

mat

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hey everyone-- i'm desperately looking for the people magazine article from
the summer of 1994 (about ig of course). i need it for a paper that's due on
tuesday. does anyone by any chance have it who wants to transcribe it for me
or has it already transcribed? i looked, but it's not on the lifeblood site.
if anyone could help me, i'd be forever grateful. unfortunately i can't
remember the title or anything. it has a picture of them in a classroom at
their elementary school. thanks a lot,
jasmine

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i also taped the sonic session this morning.  (i actually woke up, taped &
listened to it, listened to it again to make sure it taped okay, & then
went back to bed.)  i got a pretty good copy of it too.  i'm also willing
to make copies or trade w/ people.  i was thinking that modern rock live
would fit nicely on the other side, but anything about 45 min. would work.

it's great to listen to it w/ headphones b/c you can really hear the
harmonies clearly.  when i listen to the cd, it's hard for me to sing w/
either a or e b/c the harmonies blend so well.  i think the new songs sound
great on sots w/ all the production & everything, but i also think they
sound great w/o all that stuff.  at the sonic session, a&e just used
acoustic guitars (& a madolin, dulcimer, & banjo), but no electric guitars
(or drums or bass or anything, obviously), which i think is pretty
cool...it's a different sound.

i also was pretty pissed that they didn't include the little comments in
between songs.  they took out all the tuning & the q&a session & the "will
of god" bit & the "discrimination is a bad bad thing" line & lots of other
funny stuff.  they even mixed it so well that it seems like all a&e said in
between most songs was, "thanks, y'all," which is not true.  so most of the
stuff i wrote about in my review of the sonic session isn't even included
on this tape.

some random thoughts...gotm is changed to "singing slowly down the trees."
the "fucking up" line is barely bleeped out at all.  the nail polish
conversation goes like this:
a: emily is starting a new trend for, for the indigo girls.
e: fingernail polish. [audience laughter]
a: i'm gonna go with the nice clear tone.  [audience laughter]  it's
beautiful though.
e: it's chipped though. [audience laughter] i have to fix it.
a:  femme girls...we can do it, i promise!
after hey kind friend, amy says that bit she often says about giving emily
new instruments: "emily on dulcimer!  i try to give emily a different
instrument for every birthday.  and then i sit her down and make her feel
guilty until she plays it."  before galileo, emily asks the audience, "can
you sing along even if you're seated?  you'll be on the radio!"  it sounds
so cute!  i think that there are microphones in the audience, b/c we sound
so loud on galileo.  i know nothing about sound recording, but i don't
think all that sound is picked up by the stage mics.  on the kmtt
recording, you can barely hear the audience on galileo, but we sound as
loud as a&e.  we were loud irl, but not _that_ loud.  after galileo, the
announcer made some cool comments.  he said, "i got chills.  does anybody
else?  now that is what a sonic session is all about...and they ended it
with a crowd pleaser, galileo.  i gotta tell you, we've all seen a lot of
shows in our day, but when they went into the galileo and everybody in the
room started singing, wow, amazing, what a great show it was.  indigo
girls."  yay for the audience!  i think if you listen hard enough, you can
hear jen, audrey, & me! :)

andi


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maybe 115 is a weight? it's not one that i would be familiar with,
though :)
amber

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okay, i made a harmless comment about microsoft, and now we're having...

browser waaaaaaarrrrrrrrrsss!!! <announcer voice>

cut it out!  we were so on-topic, doing so well, and then i had to go and
ruin it!

everybody shake hands, and i'm sorry if i started some new flaming thread.

(in case you missed it, i posted my strategy for overcoming the inability
of netscape to view the music central ig site.  i'm pretty sure it was igc,
but these browser discussions certainly aren't.)

just trying to put out a fire before it starts...

happy day, all!
justin

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hey all -

i really like the sound that ulali brings to the new album. i want tell
others about how good they are, but i have no idea how to pronounce
their name.

in my mind i'm saying "you-lay-lee" (accent on the "lay" syllable).  is
that right?  or does anyone know the correct pronunciation?

alyssa

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so i'm a dumbass.  what can i say?  too bad it wasn't a real juicy letter
that i misaddressed!

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my answers to the top 5.

>anyway, which song *from the new album* would most bother you if it was stuck
>in your head all day, and whic one wouldn't you mind having stuck in your
>head????
>
>bothersome:

none :-) the only song that's everyr really bugged me was "airplane."

>sing-along with the voices in my head <grin>:

"shame on you" and "get that girl a gun," which is the one i've had on
repeat--repeatedly. ;-> (i don't have my cd case in front of me is that the
actual song name or the refrain?)

lisa

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does anyone know who will be touring with lilith towards the end of july
(other than sarah, of course)?

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              afterall, oops

hey -

ok, well, i was thinking about this rosie thing some more.  i re-read the
post for the other offer, and noticed you need to live in the pnw area to be
"eligable."  so, here goes:  if you can be a branch (i think i'll only need a
few) e-mail me.  i'll get a tape going of ig on rosie and letterman, melissa
un-plugged, and ellen gets a new puppy <g>.  i'll post what's going to happen
after i get a few tapers (if you already e-mailed me, could you just
re-e-mail me, because i think a chunk of my mail got erased by accident).
then anyone who wants the tape, you can have it! =)  we don't discriminate!
(oooo, don't flame me . . . )

happy sunday!

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on sun, 4 may 1997, j "tigger" kickliter wrote:

> anyway, which song *from the new album* would most bother you if it was stuck
> in your head all day, and whic one wouldn't you mind having stuck in your
> head????

oh jeez...mine would have to be caramia...i love this song, but can i
just tell you how hard it is to study economics with those lyrics running
thru my mind.... i'd much rather analyze them than the intertemporal
budget constraint....

--nick

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subject:      re: sots top 5!!! :)

side question before i start . . . um, a while back someone had said
something about them thinking sots might go platnum the first day.  what ever
happened to that?  do we know where it made it to on the charts?  huh, huh,
do we?  amyray . . .

in a message dated 97-05-04 12:51:33 edt, emilyamy@aol.com (j "tigger"
kickliter) writes:

<< anyway, which song *from the new album* would most bother you if it was
stuck
in your head all day, and whic one wouldn't you mind having stuck in your
head???? >>

i think it would drive me crazy to have burn all the letters stuck in my
head, because i just can't 'get into' that song.  up untill now the only ig
song i *strongly* disliked with a passion was tried to be true, but i think
this is joining the ranks.

the song i would love to have stuck in my head (and have had stuck in my
head) is get out the map.  that song makes me sooooo happy!!!!  =)  i've had
the best week, and listening to that song just makes me want to dance and
sing and smile . . . um, ehem.  =) =) =)

hee hee, i seem to have gone on a wild posting spree.  wizard!  ha ha!!

-elizabeth, who is calming herself down now

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hey y'all,

frank rich wrote a good editorial about disney, ellen, and the media in the
nyt today.  the url:

http://www.nytimes.com/yr/mo/day/oped/04rich.html

if anyone can't get to it, tell me & i can e-mail you an .htm file of it.

:)  erin

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i wrote:

>side a:  kmtt broadcast of the listener party, 4/30/97, taped from the

okay, i blatantly lied here.  (actually, it's a typo)  this is from
4/3/97.

so there ya go.

love,
sundara<--who is gonna be in the 13th row at the lillith fair at the
gorge thanks to her cutie gf.  yippee!

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well, i have been listening to the new album almost constantly for a month
now and have yet to say a word about it.  all good things must come to an
end, and so must my silence.

first, i generally don't like the new album.  there are fewer
blow-me-away-leave-me-aweless-are-a-and-e-human?-i-doubt-it harmonies on
this album than the other ones.  this album is also a product of what they
have spent the last two years doing, very much so for amy.  any careful
listener can hear that she has been through a breakup, felt lonely, felt
angry, and that she has tried to reconcile her being a priviliged white
person with the status of so many other people in the world.  these are
all profound things, and politics are very important.  but!  this does not
make an album that fans can grasp and hold tightly to their hearts, which
would surely wither away after being so close to so much torment.  being
able to get so close, and even heal, for some, is not something that we
deserve from an ig album, but it is something that we expect because they
have given it to us so many times before.

none of the above is to say that i think that songs on the album suck, or
just plain aren't good, or anything about the musical quality of the
album.  it's simply not what their other albums have been, and for me that
sucks.

now, for margaret's cryptic review, as previously scheduled:

shame on you:  la, la, la!  $20 to everyone if it goes top 40!
        (j/k, but it won't)

get out the map:  getting out the map is always much easier than folding
        it back together again.

shed your skin:  only song ulali should have sung on (imho, of course)

it's alright:  like watershed, but different.

caramia:  this song is so messy--overproduced..  too many things going on
        at once.

dgtgag:  the one i will hate trying to fit in that little blank on boot
        cases

leeds:  fare thee well, but i'll skip this one after 2 seconds instead of
        3 seconds

scooter boys:  yee-haw!

everything...:  ominous

cut it out:  "i hope amy's in therapy." (c) dr, 1997

burn all the letters:  most like the old songs award (tied with it's
        alright, but wins because all the words in its title are spelled
        correctly)

hey kind friend:  like cedar tree, but different.  doesn't pick me up
        enough to end the album on a happy note, but if you play the album on
        repeat and start listening with gotm and end with soy you'll be much
        happier.


and now back to your regularly scheduled nigc and flame wars.

:)
margaret

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subject:      taping from computer

would some techo-wiz out there tell me how to tape something off of your
computer?  thanks to all the new sites being posted with all that audio
stuff, i sure would like to tape it before it gets taken off the web.

its probably something silly...like find the out mic on your computer and
put it in the in mic on your player or something equally obvious. but
tell me anyway would you please?

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excerpts from mail: 4-may-97 margaret's cryptic review o.. by margaret
clayton@mtholyo
> first, i generally don't like the new album.

i was gonna say it myself, but i didn't wanna be shot.  :)

actually, i felt that way the first day, but, by now, the album is
seriously growing on me.  scooter boys and cut it out frankly scare me.
if it weren't for these two songs, i'd really like the new album.
they're growing on my too, but, they're just a lot rougher than the rest
of the album.

yeah, caramia is overworked, but at least it still sounds good.  hey
kind friend was so great live, and now....  well, i like it live better.
ovvvvverworked.

in any case,  i'm looking forward to the acoustic album.  i need it
after this one i think!  it's all great exploration on their part too,
and i still love 'em!!!!!  ;)

renee

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>maybe 115 is a weight?

i agree that 115 may be a refrence to weight.  if nothing else it is a
commonly desired weight for 17 yr olds (if in fact that is what the 17
means.)  but that's just what i think, everyone else's ideas bring insight
as well. :)

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am i the only one who has noticed emily musically quoting "fugitive". am
i insane?
ben

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at 01:47 pm 5/4/97 -0400, you wrote:
>does anyone know who will be touring with lilith towards the end of july
>(other than sarah, of course)?

tracy chapman
the cardigans
fiona apple
paula cole

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> anyway, which song *from the new album* would most bother you if it was stuck
> in your head all day, and whic one wouldn't you mind having stuck in your
> head????

cut it out is the most bothersome (sorry, amy's voice kinda scares me a bit
in this one)

now as for caramia, i definitely wouldn't mind having it stuck in my head
all day. actually it's probably a tie between caramia and leeds. or caramia
and it's alright. or caramia and don't give that girl a gun. or caramia and
shame on you. or caramia and shed your skin. or caramia and everything in
its own time. ummm, actually i can't answer this question because i'd end up
naming the whole album, excluding cut it out.

does anyone know where sots is on the charts right now?? when do we find out?

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hey in caramia, where does she "musically quote" fugitive?
anyone?
carolyn
love this album!!

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1997 verdi@imap2.asu.edu wrote:

> am i the only one who has noticed emily musically quoting "fugitive". am
> i insane?
> ben
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well, actually, netscape sells a lot of advertising space, and they have
been giving netscape away free over the 'net for quite a while, so they
have plenty of avenues for making money.  they haven't seemed to be going
under yet from all the demo copies downloaded for free.  i wouldn't worry
too much about netscape and their profits.

>
> this is a fairly typical case of a company using their weight from
> dominating other parts of the market to force competitors out of the
> market.   netscape charges for its browser because its trade is web
> browsers, and has no other way of making money.   m$ can afford to put its
> browser out for free, because it dominates nearly every other part of the
> software market.
>
> and netscape is also free for academic and some other users.   home and
> business users have to pay for netscape, although i think it's bundled
> with some isp connection packages.   which, of course, might change now
> that m$ has made its product free.
>
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through or around it.--emily saliers
*****gwen keyt******
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bsn class of 1997!!!
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hi all, here is the interview that campus radio in eugene played .  i've
taken the liberty of cutting out some of the umms, and other chatter (except
when necessary, you'll see.).  i have a tape but am in no position to make a
tree.  if some person wants to take the whole thing on, i'll make one copy
for that kind soul.  i debated whether or not to even transcribe, (i'm really
busy trying to get my shit together) but wanted to share in some way with so
many who have shared with me.  hope you enjoy.  interviewed april 4, 1997

q:  we have the single at our station, who plays the banjo? is that a new
instrument you picked up?

e: yep, amy gave me that banjo, and another friend, like years ago, wow
a:  four, five
e:  at least, and it just sat there for a long time and i didn't play it and
then amy and                    i have been experimenting playing with new
instruments expanding in that way. i started writing this song on banjo,
actually i just play it like a guitar, i don't really know how to play a
banjo like banjo players, so i just pluck it, you know.

q:  i was wondering about the religious references like the washing the sins
away (soy), you wrote the song?

a:  umm hmm, well when i started the song, i was really,...i have these
friends that are, the "tanners" that i refer to, umm,  i can't (a sighs),
we,  i can't,  i don't know why its in a religious context.  they're a very
spiritual people and i think we were talking about jesus or something, you
know, like the southern jesus (laughs).  the river and the baptisms and stuff
like that, and i think that i was thinking about that.  i think were talking
about y'know everybody has been through these things and we all need to be
cleansed in our lifetime.  its not supposed to be specifically christian, it
supposed to be the mythos, the symbolism of it all, but i don't know why
those words came out.  it ended up being a song about illegal immigration.

q: how does that song go with the rest of your album, (cause we don't have a
copy)

a:  oh, well we'll get you one!
e:  well thematically, there is a lot of references to social issues on the
record, we just have had a lot of political and social experiences over the
past few years, and   different people we've met and worked with and so that
stuff  infiltrated  the music to a certain extent, so there is that.
references to colonialism, the zapatista movement and oppression of gays,
military organization, and god there's a lot. (laughs)
a:  didn't realize how political we were
e:  its a lot, i mean there is love songs too, stuff about personal
experiences as well.  thematically, that's how shame on you in someways ties
in, and then musically that songs got the banjo on it, amy plays the electric
lead and there's a lot of mix in around with it and we did that a lot on the
album.  we just had fun, we produced it ourselves, with our engineer dave
leonard.  it was the first time we haven't had a producer that we hired to be
a producer to work with.  we had a lot of freedom and it ended up being a lot
of musical experimentation in terms of lots of instruments, we played them
ourselves rather than bring in someone else who is better.  that kind of
thing, it was fun, really, really fun.
a:  and steve earle is on shame on you, he's the guy playing the harmonica,
and sang, we love him.
e:  he can tell some stories, woo
a:  he's the greatest.  he was like harmonica, vocal and dinner time
entertainment.
e:  we should have included that credit.

q:  do you ever jam together (to write songs) or do you write better alone,
and then collaborate on harmonies etc?

e:  we work better alone.  we have different ways of expressing ourselves in
terms of vocabulary, and just stylistically, sort of musical sensibilities
are a little bit different so it just works best for us to do it that way.
we always have.  we wrote a song together recently that was on the honor cd,
that amy put out on daemon records which benefits a lot of native american
grassroots groups, environmental groups and other grassroots community
groups, the song is called blood quantum.  amy started it and  kinda finished
it, but even so it was like her part and then my part.  it just works best
for us.

q:  i can definitely pick out amy songs and emily songs
(group laughs)

a:  well, were gonna try to change that!  next record.
e:  well whoever writes a song typically ends up singing lead on it too, but
there are other ways you can tell, i know, but that's y'know (laugh/sigh)

q:  are you already working on another album?

e:  we're thinking about it
a:  we just have to write the songs.  i think we started thinking about the
next record because in this record we got so lost in this record, musically,
like in a good way with a lot of electric instruments, and a lot of
instruments!  it was like a lot of stuff.    we kept going "ya know next
record, lets just make an acoustic record that's just me and you playin'
guitar"  you know whatever, i think we kept wanting simplicity in our minds
even though our hearts were going "play all these things, and make all these
sounds".  there was something in us saying we need to do this other thing
too, so we're goin' to.  that's our next step.  later, a year from now.

******************************************************************************
********************
**amy takes time to comment on how it was "freezing" in eugene that day, "i
know it was beautiful but kids runnin' 'round with short sleeved shirts on, i
was like oh my god"
(for the record it was hot that day, practically 65 degrees! i was running
around in shorts)
******************************************************************************
********************

q:  we noticed you make a direct reference to looking at women, if were
correct here  (she pauses and says) were both very obsessed here,

a interjects: with women?
(emily laughing in the background)

q:  well, (laughs) with your music, and this is the first direct reference
i've heard that you make toward your sexuality.

a:  hmmm.  i always thought fugitive was a direct reference since its a song
to a woman.  but, that is the most direct womanizing, that's ever
been...(mumbles). i think i was speaking more in terms of  the idea that , i
don't know if you know, hispanic women, i'm going to make a generalization
here but  the hispanic women that we have known are very vibrant people and
very strong.  they are scolding in a way, you know because they have their
shit together in a way that i might not and you know its more like a
reference, its not sexual, its more like they are so intimidating that they
walk by and i'm tripping ever myself.  they are intimidating in a way that,
not even sexually, but spiritually.  so that's what i'm talking about.   this
record definitely has more direct references toward women, than any record
we've made.

q:  how do you think the fans will react to that?

e:  they love it!
a:  they go "yay, yaaay"
e:  all the gay women they scream.  then all the guys, i look out at the
guys, the frat guys with their hats, they're like "whuuteverrr" (laughter)
its great, to give credit to our fans, seriously.

q:  you have interesting fans

e interjects:  they're great, they're great.

q:  actually this comes with the fan thing, we were looking at the internet
and we were checking out these pages.  top ten reasons you know that you're
obsessed with the indigo girls (a&e laugh) and one woman said that she and
her friend had dressed up as you (amy cracks up at this point) for halloween.

e:  oh, well at least it was for halloween!  not like they just dress up as
us, cross-dressing as the indigo girls, yikes! (all were laughing)

q:  do you ever look at your pages on the internet?

e:  no, nooo (serious voice)
a:  ugh uhh (as in no)  i mean its a lot of, we appreciate the support of it
y'know in a way like that, like the spread of the music and the community of
it and stuff like that, the underground nature of it.  but if you read all
that stuff about yourself, you would think about yourself all the time.  we
already think about ourselves a lot of the time.

q:  is sara lee on your album the same sara lee who plays with ani?

(a&e both laugh!)
a:  she's played with us the past five years, it just makes us laugh
e:  sara played with us starting in '91 and she did a lot of work on this
album though, she did the string arrangement on caramia, and played a whistle
solo it was really beautiful (on hey kind friend)
a:  and most of the bass, really
e:  typically she plays
a:  ninety percent of it
e:  most of the bass (they were finishing each others sentences...it was
sweet) on our records, one guy played stand-up bass it was really cool.

q:  did she do that whistle solo from closer to fine?

e:  no, that's (someone, can't make out the name) from hothouse flowers.
a:  sara has been with us since '91 then we were off and we lent her to ani.
e:  and then we took her back
a:  then we borrowed ani's drummer for this record, he played on a couple
songs.
e:  its all sharing
a:  we share, we like for everyone to share

q:  what kind of music are you listening to right now?

a:  its been so long since i heard a cd, we've been on tour.
e:  i was just listening to that album again, _ _ _ _ _ _ _
       (sorry, i don't know this band and can't make out what e says, it
sound like she says "steve lamato", but i know that's not it, perhaps someone
else knows?  could be "sea blue motto", gosh i'm a lamer at this moment!).
     i like that band 311, and cake, i like their senses of playfulness, and
i like the hip hop thing that comes into music that is a different genre.  of
course ani, love ani's music.
a:  rage against the machine
e:  totally!
a:  waco brothers,  we like so much music.  we really like to hear unsigned
and independent bands.  when were on the road we'll go into clubs and stuff,
that's the point of inspiration really.

q:  how have your politics changed since your first album?

e:  i've learned a lot more since our first album, so i think about it a lot
more. its like the more you learn,  once your consciousness is pricked you
can't go back, it sucks.
like aaahhh what are we gonna do.  i do think about it a lot more and i think
its made me a little less idealistic about the world, and about human
evolution.  just seems to be a struggle, and learning more about who really
controls the world and what freedom means.  that very few people are actually
free in terms of how government controls our lives, corporations and money
and stuff.  learning a lot more about that.  we've just been exposed to some
really smart, active people who've taught us so much.  a lot of them are
indians, indigenous peoples.

q:  when you make an album do you think about working through your own
issues, or is it more as a vehicle to your listeners, or both?

a:  i don't think either one of us think about it, i think we just write
songs and whatever comes out.  sometimes its a catalyst for people to think
about something politically, or on a personal level, self-esteem issues maybe
or respect for each other.  but we just really write.  i never could write a
song that i knew what i was gonna write about before i started writing it,
that doesn't work for me, i go blank.  i clean the slate in my head and just
write whatever comes out, is that you?
e:  pretty much, yeah, sometimes i think about something and it makes me
wanna write so that's what i'll write about.

q:  what is your favorite time period of literature?

e:  mine has changed.  back in school i was really into 20th century american
writers, like virginia woolfe, and very, white, kind of literature.  now its
much more like toni morrison is one of my favorite writers i really like
reading.  zora neale hurston, i remember when i read their eyes were watching
god, i was just like blown away by that.  michael andagi's(?) poetry, so more
of that ethnic, different ethnic groups, different from mine that i just
really soak up.  i like really a lot of contemporary writers now, who else?
a:  (whispers to e) jeanette winterson
e:  jeanette winterson, although she kinda lost me the last couple ones

q:  sexing the cherry?

e:  no, loved that
a:  that one is great
e:  brilliant

q:  was there a lack of women studies courses when you were in college?

e:  in the english department at that time i began to discover, by the time
that i was leaving college that like,  afro-american writings were not
considered as the same discipline as classic writings.  shakespeare, or even
faulkner you know, the big guns.
a:  there were courses though
e:  there were courses but i felt there was prejudice in the department
against that kind of literature, you know it was more the old school. that's
changed though, its gotten a lot more progressive.
a:  but you could take, i mean they did start offering the courses at emory,
i took african-american literature, and women's literature courses.  the
professors couldn't get tenure though, i mean they were totally discriminated
against.
e:  any kind of progressive education is a good thing, i mean i don't mean to
say that like old white boys, like shakespeare, he's incredible.  i don't
mean to say that those writers are not as great as they are, its just that
there is a lot of prejudice in certain departments about what is a valid
academic discipline.  in the end, the power that bringing diverse studies
gives you far outweighs sticking to the classics,  i think.

q:  on a lighter note, what can we expect to hear tonight? (hult center 4/4)
old favorites, new songs?

a: both
e:  both, a lot of songs from the new album though, this is kind of our
practice tour
a:  yeah, a good preview, we'll try to play some old stuff too y' know
familiar stuff.
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station breaks into beginning of soy, then you hear "hey i'm emily, i'm amy,
and we're the indigo girls, and you're listening to kwva , eugene"  (nice
little station promo!)

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> i agree that 115 may be a refrence to weight.  if nothing else it is a
> commonly desired weight for 17 yr olds (if in fact that is what the 17
> means.)  but that's just what i think, everyone else's ideas bring insight
> as well. :)

i thought of 'you are 17' as an age, too.   for 115 i thought of weight
(fits with 'you growing stronger...').  other ideas:  a jersey number,
like for track or a team sport;  a room number - classroom, motel, dorm
room something like that.    it almost sounds like '115' is being used as
the name of the person being addressed.   i don't know if i think amy is
talking to someone else, or to herself, either.

also, does anyone else think that the images used (you growing longer,
growing stronger, itchy trigger, venomous) are more male than female
images?

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i tend to agree with this idea of 115 as a weight... since the rest of the
song is about shedding skin -- could be refernce to other "baggage"
considered not needed, ie extra weight.  any thoughts?

at 01:48 pm 5/4/97 -0700, you wrote:
>> i agree that 115 may be a refrence to weight.  if nothing else it is a
>> commonly desired weight for 17 yr olds (if in fact that is what the 17
>> means.)  but that's just what i think, everyone else's ideas bring insight
>> as well. :)
>
>i thought of 'you are 17' as an age, too.   for 115 i thought of weight
>(fits with 'you growing stronger...').  other ideas:  a jersey number,
>like for track or a team sport;  a room number - classroom, motel, dorm
>room something like that.    it almost sounds like '115' is being used as
>the name of the person being addressed.   i don't know if i think amy is
>talking to someone else, or to herself, either.
>
>also, does anyone else think that the images used (you growing longer,
>growing stronger, itchy trigger, venomous) are more male than female
>images?
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> subject: re: sots top 5!!! :)
>
> > anyway, which song *from the new album* would most bother you if it was stuck
> > in your head all day, and whic one wouldn't you mind having stuck in your
> > head????

worst to have in my head:   get out the map!   ugh.  it's better on the
cd than it was on any of the demos - the drums help a lot to push it back
over the edge of hopeless twanginess, but i still think i'll be skipping
it really soon.

best:  shed your skin.   even though i haven't got a clue what it's
about... hey holy, console me, some power controls me - it's already in
my head and it's having a nice old time there.

my favorite songs so far are sys, scooter boys and cut it out.  somewhat
disconcerting for an emily fan.   i've always liked a lot of amy's songs,
but i always liked emily's first and best.   i think this album is a
bigger departure for emily than for amy and it may be hard for people who
mostly related to emily's songs to find much to relate to here.

a dog, a plan, a canal -  pagoda!                alisont@netcom.com

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subject:      my 2 calendars gone!

hey all,
man! i should have grabbed the whole stack!! i got 20+ requests for my 2
extra calendars & they are now long gone. i did call a couple of our other
locations & have some people looking into getting me a few more-- so i'll
just work down the list of people who asked for one if i do get more. sorry
for those who missed out, but my advice is to ask multiple people in any
given store-- when i asked for the video @ borders, the first 2 people looked
at me like i had six heads, but the third said "sure-- here you go". not
everone is as preoccupied with ig promotional materials as we are!! also--
some stores are getting things late-- so all hope is not lost!!
good luck,
alexandra

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hey everyone,

i heard this rummor that the girls will be in oregon this july.  does any
one know the dates, and when tickets go on sale?

thanks, have a beautiful day!

dk

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so i went to the sonic for my traditional after-softball cherry lime-ade.
they were a bit busy, so i killed the motor and jammed along to "shame on
you", playing on my cd player.

the friendly attendant delivered my lovely beverage, and as i started the
engine, amy was singing:

"...when the summer comes, everything's in bloom, and you wouldn't know
it's there..."

then, after the engine was properly fired up, she continued:

"...and the white folks like to pretend it's not, but their music's in the
air..."

but here's the deal...it was on the radio!  yes, folks, my cd player stops
when the i turn the ignition...so soy (cd) and soy (radio) were perfectly
synchronized.

i smiled, and sang along.

happy day,
justin

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subject:      re: call for discussion...caramia

in a message dated 97-05-04 15:05:27 edt, you write:


<<am i the only one who has noticed emily musically quoting "fugitive". am
i insane?
ben>>

    no, ben, i thought i was insane. i thought the same exact thing the first
time i heard this song. maybe we're both crazy?

   annie

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i definitely have two tickets for the friday may 23 concert for sale,
possibly three more (i'll know by next week).  they're the top priced
orchestra tickets (not table), all bought within an hour of the show going
on sale.  $31 each (the price i paid thru ticketmaster).  please email me
if you're interested!

widdi

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subject:      the strength of sots songs 1-6

after repeated listenings since the 29th i propose that this album has the
strongest lineup perhaps since ig.  particularly on the strength of songs
1-6...

its a great combination release...hard w/soft......i only wish "cut it out"
had been produced differently. also i do agree with a previous post that
dgtgag lacks a little intensity...

also would have loved to replace hey kind friend with chiapas bound...minor
points..  but hey, when you wait patiently for 3 years...i can dream cant
i?.......

andrew

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subject:      re: bartender blues?
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in a message dated 97-05-04 12:20:51 edt, gaiachild@juno.com (jeremy ames)
writes:

<< in the 1200 curfews insert i have been trying to read the set lists and
other notes they used as background.  i noticed bartender blues by ghost,
and maybe a song called finlandia by least complicated.  i have never
heard these songs, anyone know what they are?  my guess is covers, or
just unreleased stuff like problem child. >>

finlandia (by sibelius (finland national anthem??)) is off their indie e.p.

bartender blues is, from memory, a caroline aitken (maybe wendy bucklew??)
cover version... i forget. no unreleased stuff there...

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subject:      re: ulali

their name is pronounced "ooh-la-lee".

on sun, 4 may 1997 13:35:51 -0400 alyssa lum <lum@ma.ultranet.com>
writes:
>hey all -
>
>i really like the sound that ulali brings to the new album. i want to
tell
>others about how good they are, but i have no idea how to pronounce
>their name.
>
>in my mind i'm saying "you-lay-lee" (accent on the "lay" syllable).  is
>that right?  or does anyone know the correct pronunciation?
>
>alyssa
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<< > anyway, which song *from the new album* would most bother you if it was
stuck
> in your head all day, and whic one wouldn't you mind having stuck in your
> head???? >>

well i think the most bothersome is caramia. sorry i just dont like the way
she opens that song, the note sounds too high or something,i just skip to the
next song. and the one that does get stuck in my head all day is shed your
skin, but i dont mind at all!!
later   kim

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subject:      fwd: shaming of the sun - a musician's opinion

this review was posted to alt.music.indigo-girls, and i thought some of
y'all might find it interesting.  peace, fran e.

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subject: shaming of the sun - a musician's opinion
date: 4 may 1997 06:15:21 gmt

i've been listening to this cd a lot for the past few days, and i've read
all of the posted reviews in this newsgroup so far.  they've been
interesting and full of good points.  but i don't know how many were
written from a musician's/composer's point of view.

the one word that keeps coming to my mind is convergence.  specifically,
the girls' musical influence on each other is more noticeable than ever.
on every other ig release i've ever heard (i own them all except for
bootlegs) it was very clear on the first listen who wrote what songs.
their musical styles were distinctively different and came together to
form the proverbial whole, greater than the sum of its parts.  this time,
if it weren't for hearing who was handling lead vocals, one might guess
that certain songs were written by the other.

examples:  shame on you - let's face it, amy hasn't sounded this cheery
since land of canaan in '89.  other than perhaps a few bits of the lyric
(including the much-discussed "fuckin' up" line - which was edited out of
the mix on letterman), this could conceivably have been an emily song.
likewise, caramia can be easily imagined as an amy song.  it's every bit
as beatle-esque as touch me fall.  other "ambiguous" works include get out
the map, it's alright, leeds, and hey kind friend.

don't get me wrong - this is not a complaint.  the material here is as
good as any dozen songs they've ever assembled before.  but it makes one
wonder how much artistic collaboration is going on during the writing
stage.  it's always struck me as a bit odd that they've never once (to my
knowledge) shared writing credit on a song (not that i'm suggesting that
they go the lennon/mccartney route).  but it would be very surprising to
hear that they've never actually co-written a song.

convergence also describes the eclectic musical styles - they complement
each other better than ever here.  in fact, some writers in this group
have noted (or complained about) a lack of their trademark vocal interplay
in the songs.  after repeated listenings, i'm not sure that's really the
case.  these are the most consistently "busy" arrangements of any project
they've released, and that may be distracting some listeners from the
vocals, which were previously way out front on most every song.  but i'm
finding that i like this new sound as well as i still like their
traditional sound.

conclusion:  this has a better chance of being their "breakthrough" album
than any before.  it has a number of very tuneful radio-friendly
selections.  shame on you was a great choice for the lead-off cut and the
first single.  let's see what happens and enjoy the whole thing.  here's
hoping for multi-platinum success.  god knows they've earned it.


bruce smith (brucesmyth@aol.com)
ellwood city, pa, usa

"'l'll sleep when i'm dead."
- warren zevon
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isn't it "you know me and jesus," because that's what they say, and if
it's not, who would "we're" of the same heart... be. who's the "we're" ?
no, thi isn't a flame- i'm actually interested in what other people are
thinking.

~andy

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subject:      the # 17

you know, all this talk about the number seventeen made me want to share
that i am turning 17 on may 19th! i realised this on friday at a meeting
when i was at, and when it was my turn to say my age, i thought about it
and was like, "wow- i'm going to be 17 in 17 days! that's cool!" but now
i'm going to be 17 in 15 days (and that's cooler). ok, that's all! sorry
to waste bw.

~andy

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on sun, 4 may 1997 12:17:20 edt jeremy ames <gaiachild@juno.com> writes:
>in the 1200 curfews insert i have been trying to read the set lists
>and other notes they used as background.  i noticed bartender blues by
>ghost, and maybe a song called finlandia by least complicated.  i have
>never heard these songs, anyone know what they are?  my guess is
>covers, or just unreleased stuff like problem child.
>
>jeremy


there's a kick ass part of finlandia on the watershed video.
beeeeyoooteeefull harmonies!

~andy

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i went to www.billboard.com and found the album charts.  i think next week
is the first chance for them to show up on it, so let's see.  there was a
short review of the album under new releases or something like that (can't
remember that stuff when i surf too much!).  ani's album is in the top 50 i
believe.

it was cool to hear that soy was inspired by a film by david zeiger.  he
was my wedding photographer!  (my husband and i are actors and david's the
main theatre photographer in town and a very cool guy.)

widdi

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anyone know the date for the 1995 bmhawk letterman appearance and the c-span
covered gay and lesbian march on washington performance of american tune?

analy yours,
lori


"this is now, this is here, this is me, this is what i wanted you to see."
                                            rem

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on sun, 4 may 1997, jenniferannrebekahbubka wrote:

> >maybe 115 is a weight?
>
> i agree that 115 may be a refrence to weight.  if nothing else it is a
> commonly desired weight for 17 yr olds (if in fact that is what the 17
> means.)  but that's just what i think, everyone else's ideas bring insight
> as well. :)
>
to me, the '115' is the temperature of the desert where this snake is
living. makes a lot of sense, eh?

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on sun, 4 may 1997, deborah alexander/jmc2000 wrote:

> > and their showing off of their nail polish (if i remember correctly
> > emily's was blue; amy was very emphatic about preferring the "clear
> > variety.")
>
> and did y'all notice it in the letterman show?  i thought it looked like
> em was wearing black, but it could've been blue...  <smile>  personally
> i'm usually too embarrassed by my real short guitar-fingernails so i
> never wear nailpolish...   but hey, if em does, maybe it helps...
>
>
> deb, who's superstitious enough and needs enough help on her guitar
>         skills that she's now on her way out to buy that same shade of
>         indigo nailpolish ;)
>
this whole thread is a joke to give me a headache, right?

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>q:  what is your favorite time period of literature?
>e: <snip>  michael andagi's(?) poetry <snip>

i haven't heard the interview but i think she means michael ondaatje. he
was born in sri lanka and moved to canada as a child. he's written some
incredible books of fiction and poetry. most people know him as the author
of "the english patient" but i like some of his other books better. due to
the popularity of tep it's easy to find his books in bookstores so check
him out. good stuff. :)

thank you so much for typing the interview in, that was awesome!! it's cool
to see emily is reading toni morrison, she's one of my favorite authors. i
wish i could sit down and talk to emily about "beloved" for a few hours.
now i know what to talk about if i ever get a chance to meet them (hahahaha
yeah right). hey someone convince em to get an internet account so she can
check out my toni morrison page and then she can send me email with all her
answers to my questions. yeah! :) i mean it's not like she's busy or
anything. ;)

kristina

p.s. a local station played the entire sots cd last night as part of the
"saturday night shuffle." every saturday night they put 5 cds in the box
and hit shuffle until all the songs on all 5 cds are played. very cool. the
dj had to comment on amy pronouncing "spokane" wrong after hkf but she
forgave them since it was such a great song. :)

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subject:      the women of mountain stage

hey y'all,

i like to let everyone know when i find something that
i think y'all will like.  currently, i've been really into
ig (of course), women's music, and folk, so i've been
trying to find compilation cds of women's music that
feature ig and folk music in general.  about a month
ago, i mentioned that putumayo's women's work cd
is great (and, actually, of the many cds i have,
it is probably one of my most favorites, although there's
no ig on it).  yesterday, i picked up another cd.  it is
entitiled "women live from mountain stage".  here's the
bio of mountain stage that was on the cd:

"mountain stage is a weekly, two-hour performance radio
program broadcast nationally on more than 120 stations.
each show features three or four guest acts that typically
defy categorization.  diversity is probably the most
appealing aspect of mountain stage, which delivers great
live performances from artists in the alternative, blues,
folk, rock, and world beat genres among others."

this cd features live performances from 12 female
artists who played mountain stage at one time or another.
the insert to this cd features bios and pics on each of the
performers.  now, i feel pretty ignorant because i've never
heard of mountain stage.  maybe it was mentioned on this
list, but either i missed it or just ignored it.  anyway, if this
cd was talked about before, disregard my ranting about it.
for those of you who don't know about it, here's the list
of artists on the cd.  mind you, these are all live mountain stage
performances, so it's a very original compilation and well worth
the $15 i paid for it.  (i got it at barnes and noble, but i suppose
it can be purchased at several other music chains).  oh, yeah,
the list:

1.  indigo girls - strange fire
2.  k.d. lang - lock stock and teardrops
3.  ani difranco - egos like hairdos
4.  joan baez - amsterdam
5.  jill sobule - i kissed a girl
6.  emmylou harris - sweet sorrow in the wind
7.  dar williams - when i was a boy
8.  ann and nancy wilson (of heart) - the battle of evermore
9.  victoria williams - crazy mary
10.  heather eatman - half of a woman
11.  kennedy rose - iron horse
12.  shelby lynne - reach for the rhythm

oh, what a lineup!  personally, just seeing ig, k.d., ani, dar, joan,
and the wilson sisters on it had me excited.  the others are just
icing on the cake.

if you are looking for this cd, but can't find it in stores, you can
order
it from:

blue plate music
33 music square west, #102a
nashville, tennessee 37203
attn: oh boy mail order
(you can send $2 for complete catalog)

www: <http://www.ohboy.com/~ohboy/
e-mail: ohboy@telalink.net

phone: 1-800-521-2112

happy listening!

lisa
lschreihart@juno.com

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>maybe 115 is a weight?
i thought it might be room numbers...(i am in )115, your are
(1)17....come one over baby...

just a thought

marilyn

i am a problem child- i've been wild all my days...(a.ray)

..still crazy after all these years.. (p. simon)

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this was posted on another forum:

thought all might enjoy.


a short history of medicine:

     "doctor, i have an ear ache."
      2000 b.c. - "here, eat this root."
      1000 b.c. - "that root is heathen, say this prayer."
      1850 a.d. - "that prayer is superstition, drink this potion."
      1940 a.d. - "that potion is snake oil, swallow this pill."
      1985 a.d. - "that pill is ineffective, take this antibiotic."
      2000 a.d. - "that antibiotic is artificial.  here, eat this root!"

hee hee
marilyn

i am a problem child- i've been wild all my days...(a.ray)

..still crazy after all these years.. (p. simon)

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first of all, a big hug to everyone who needs one. i've read a few very
sad posts. next, thanks to those who offered to trade in my search for a
calendar, i found someone. now, i have to share my story about this
weekend. i went to the beach with my mom and grandma, and we went driving
around to all the cool shops. mom and i go into this new/used music store
and i am thrilled to hear sots playing (i and i make sure to that to tell
the guy at the register). i should have known that it was a sign. i go
flipping through the records that are under the category "new releases."
i'm getting to the end and thinking that there's nothing good when all of
a sudden there sits before me a new copy of swamp ophelia on vinyl. i am
excited. then i see a sticker on the wrapper that says "limited edition
lp - inside - personally autographed by indigo girls." i am really really
excited. of course i bought it. it's green vinyl, the label on one side
is signed, emily wrote in green pen and put a heart with "emily," amy
wrote in blue pen and put "amy ray." i just can't believe that i found
it. in other news, with everyone talking about having sots songs stuck in
their heads, i took the sat's on saturday and i had the album playing
over and over through my head the whole time. my test booklet has lots of
lyrics and lyric-inspired drawings in it. and, last thing, mom and i have
our tickets to the 7/9 concert a champoeg. who else is going? we're still
trying to find out when we can get tickets to see the girls at the pier.
this is going to be a great summer.
just had to share.
-sam

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date:         sun, 4 may 1997 22:20:22 -0400
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sorry to waste your time, but does anyone know of a sopt in the bible where
it says that god or jesus gave man the right to choose his religion....if
you have an answer by midnoght tonight, thakns, but if you read this 5/5,
don't worry about it, the paper was already due.
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just reading that they like toni morrison made me perk up. and the whole
_beloved_ thing made me remember. senior year of high school, i read
_beloved_ for a class, and we had to write those little one page response
papers. after the chapters of poetry and cool prose and all, i based my
whole paper on the ig quote "i say mother, do you claim me, my beloved, do
you blame me."  i thought it was sooooo appropriate to the book, that i
always wondered if there might have been some influence. of course, since
amy wrote that song, and emily is that who said that she like toni
morrison, it's possible there's no connection. but, i never doubt any cool
coincidences in relation to the indigo girls. any thoughts?


sari
sorry if this is incoherent. i have an exam tomorrow that i haven't even
begun studying for.

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the humor, and long enough to see some change.
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sari laufer
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i seem to be in the minority about this album. most of my friends around
here seem to agree, but on this list i'm highly outnumbered. i really don't
like it that much. of course, it's one of my favorite cds, just because
it's an ig cd, and those take precedence over any others. but i really
don't like sys. and i'm not such a fan of scooter boys or cut it out
either. yes, i'm more an emily person, but i don't love most of the emily
songs either. but, i love gotm!!!!! i'm in shock anyone could not like it,
but i respect the opinion. i just think it's so much fun! it makes me want
to go out driving through all the cornfields the midwest has to offer. i
also like soy, i just hope it doesn't go top 40, just because i generally
grow to hate songs that become top 40. i also love dgtgag, though i agree
with whoever said that it kind of lacks the power that it had live. i just
hope i get to see them live sometime again.


one last observation- someone mentioned there was no catchy singing along
song on strange fire. i would say either "i don't wanna know"(along the
lines of ctf), or "crazy game," though the tune is hard for us
musically-challenged people to grasp.

so, that's all for now:-) i'm sure i'll come up with more as i procrastinate.

sari

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subject:      re: indigo nailpolish

while i was watching emily (as i was only a foot or so away from
her!!) on tuesday, i noticed her nailpolish.  it was blue... and i
noticed it, too when she handed me the pick and when she signed my
cd.... that was just the day before letterman, so it was likely the
same...

=o)
cindy

> date:          sun, 4 may 1997 21:50:56 -0400
> reply-to:      drew vogel <vogelap@ucunix.san.uc.edu>
> from:          drew vogel <vogelap@ucunix.san.uc.edu>
> subject:       re: indigo nailpolish
> x-to:          deborah alexander/jmc2000 <alexand6@jeflin.tju.edu>
> to:            indigo-girls@netspace.org

> on sun, 4 may 1997, deborah alexander/jmc2000 wrote:
>
> > > and their showing off of their nail polish (if i remember correctly
> > > emily's was blue; amy was very emphatic about preferring the "clear
> > > variety.")
> >
> > and did y'all notice it in the letterman show?  i thought it looked like
> > em was wearing black, but it could've been blue...  <smile>  personally
> > i'm usually too embarrassed by my real short guitar-fingernails so i
> > never wear nailpolish...   but hey, if em does, maybe it helps...
> >
> >
> > deb, who's superstitious enough and needs enough help on her guitar
> >         skills that she's now on her way out to buy that same shade of
> >         indigo nailpolish ;)
> >
> this whole thread is a joke to give me a headache, right?
>
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-bailey howe library, university of vermont.  burlington, vermont.
                                                    (note to self: cancel frontal lobotomy)

fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity.
-the bayou, baton rouge, louisiana.

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i've been thinking that 115 could be a date?  1/15, you are 17.
someone's 17th birthday on jan. 15...sort of a coming of age song...now
that your getting older, shed your childhood skin and rip into
adulthood...

but really, who knows?  like kristen hersh's lyrics, amy can be
inscurtable, and i don't really blame her.  (see the discussion re
dgtgag from a few months ago...)

peace,
bill

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hey kids.. sorry for the ignorance on my part, but i'm hoping someone
can help me out.   i've heard of big fish ensemble a little on the
atlanta scene, and i just saw it in the sots thinggy, but i'm still a
little clueless... can someone fill me in, please?  band? good?
what?? thanks so much...

cindy

its alright if you hate that way hate me cause i'm different hate me
cause i'm gay..... you go emily saliers!!

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i dont know whats in sots about big fish but big fish toured with them on
the rop tour
hugs anthony van pyre

on mon, 5 may 1997, cindy jo wrote:

> hey kids.. sorry for the ignorance on my part, but i'm hoping someone
> can help me out.   i've heard of big fish ensemble a little on the
> atlanta scene, and i just saw it in the sots thinggy, but i'm still a
> little clueless... can someone fill me in, please?  band? good?
> what?? thanks so much...
>
> cindy
>
> its alright if you hate that way hate me cause i'm different hate me
> cause i'm gay..... you go emily saliers!!
>
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>
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subject:      eclecticism but what??

ok - i've seen mention of many groups that sots songs remind folks of, but
does anyone "hear" jefferson starship/airplane or general let's get stoned
type late 60's early 70's stuff in shed your skin?  (shew)  specifically, the
main melody, the tonality of the guitars and the kind of background.. longish
rests..

there's others - the "la la la" in soy is so much like that in "brown eyed
girl."  and in the same song - the "i never know what to say" giggly line is
definitely a john mellencamp technique (peel of those bobbie brooks..:).

these are just a couple of many examples - i can't help but wonder how much
of sots is spoofing vs. experimentation.

kathy

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subject:      reply-live x/mrl exchange

sorry it has taken me so long to respond to all of you who have taken me up
on my offer!  i just finished my mid terms!!!  :)
ok--i have already made arrangements with one of you to get the  mrl(you know
who you are--and thanks again!!)  so, if the rest of ya'll have something
that seems like a fair trade, let me know privately.  (i don't have any
boots)  if not, or ya just don't want to hassle with making another copy, you
can send me a sase and tape and i will get it to you!!  (mail me privately
and i will get you my address)  thanks so much for you patience folks!!!

if i don't get a reply from this letter, i will assume you no longer want a
copy of  the live x   **except you rob!** {sorry--my mail box is staying too
full and i am missing work and school related mail, so i have to delete all
previous replys--please understand!!!  :)

susu

ps--fyi..the live x is 1 hour long

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subject:      re: eclecticism but what??

it's kind of hard to nail down, but for me that's the beauty of
this album.  they've incorporated so many influences into
these songs, yet the end result remains uniquely indigo.
i had heard the duo versions live, but the full band versions
on the album just blow me away.  i also think that this is the
most danceable music they've ever written.  the bass line
in scooter boys just keeps thumping away in my head, and
if don't watch myself, i start strutting as i'm walking down the
street.

here's a partial list of the influences i hear in these songs:
lots and lots of beatles (mid to late sixties albums), bruce
springsteen, jimi hendrix, led zeppelin, eagles, van
morrison, bob dylan, funk, punk....  i don't think it's spoofing
at all - i think it's experimentation.  the girls have said in
interviews that they each listen to a wide variety of music,
and that is coming through on this album.

peace,
fran e.


on mon, 5 may 1997 00:50:06 -0400 kate gerber <mat3kmg@aol.com> writes:
>ok - i've seen mention of many groups that sots songs remind folks of,
but
>does anyone "hear" jefferson starship/airplane or general let's get
stoned
>type late 60's early 70's stuff in shed your skin?  (shew)
specifically, the
>main melody, the tonality of the guitars and the kind of background..
>longish rests..
>
>there's others - the "la la la" in soy is so much like that in "brown
eyed
>girl."  and in the same song - the "i never know what to say" giggly
line is
>definitely a john mellencamp technique (peel of those bobbie brooks..:).
>
>these are just a couple of many examples - i can't help but wonder how
much
>of sots is spoofing vs. experimentation.
>
>kathy

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on fri, 2 may 1997 14:31:23 -0400, you wrote:

>but a more gutsy move would be to market sys to alternative radio...
>it's still hanging on as my favorite track on sots.

i hope epic is courageous enough to release a hot dancefloor remix !

that bass riff really got me.

georg


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i would like a backstage pass either to the auburn show or the birmingham,
al show.  how do i go about getting one of these?  help!!!

apollopeacemaker@worldnet.att.net

--mandi

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        hello all,
        sorry to waste some bandwidth, but i had too many recipients who needed this message whose address i'd lost...
        for those of you who sent me tapes for your copy of "i'm a nature boy", take heart...  it will be shipped tomorrow.  i have had the tapes done for a week and was trying to scrape up some cash to have the tape liner color laser printed, but the money never dredged up.   so, in an effort to avoid studying for finals, i made equally colorful albeit less waterproof inkjet prints of the liner.
        i hope the tapes find those of you leaving school for the summer before you leave.
        out of the nearly 60 of you who expressed interest, i got 30 actual tapes sent to me.  i consider this to be a pretty good thing.
        i'm ready to start a second wave of tapes, so if you never saw the original post, didn't get your tape sent during the first wave, or whatever, just send a blank 90 min tape and a sase to the address below.
        the information in the liner pertaining to the web site will not be valid for another couple of weeks.  i won't get around to making the web site for this tape until after i am done with finals.
        questions, comments, whatever, drop me a line.
        to those of you who are receiving the first batch, i hope you enjoy the tape.

// jeremy fuksa - mob car multimedia studios
// 700 w. scott #201 - stillwater, ok 74075
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did i make arrangements with anyone for this trade?  with all the trading going on in the past few days, i don't remember whether i am getting the livex thing from someone...i know i'm dubbing mrl for someone, las cruces for someone, and i'm getting dave & rosie from someone...i'm lost.  let me know if i'm involved in some sort of trade with you via private e-mail...okay??  thank you!! take care.  = )

jennifer w.

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> i hope epic is courageous enough to release a hot dancefloor remix !
>
> that bass riff really got me.
>
which emphasizes my theory.  sara lee is the "tie that binds" this album
together!  i hadn't specifically thought of sys, but especially there, the
basswork is really solid and grounding.  it sets a tone of urgency to the
album.  what a great sign of a great album...every day i discover
something more that i love about it.

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i don't want what is best for you, where will i be when you've found
it?  i pray a lot about these bad feelings inside but i can't pray my way
through or around it.--emily saliers
*****gwen keyt******
seattle pacific university
bsn class of 1997!!!
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hi everybody!
  would any kind soul happen to have the complete article?  if so i would
really be  grateful if someone could email it to me.  thanks!

mj

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subject:      jude again..(nigc)

sorry everyone..

jude, i meant your email address, so i could mail you privately about what
you'd like me to do re tapes etc. for some reason when your messages hit my
machine your email address is completely deleted, so you'll have to put it in
the body of your next message so i can write back to you privately..

third time lucky..

cathy

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subject:      calender

i'm looking for a calender, if anyone wants to trade the target sampler, a
copy of the video promo or some boots for it.

if interested please email me!

thanks
mj

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subject:      chiapas bound lyrics, please?

can someone send/forward me the *complete* lyrics to chiapas bound? i seem
to have deleted them from my e-mail folder..hmm..

happy monday. *grumble*

-liz- (who thought it was "we'll lift our finger up to those we pass on
our way outta town..." and still sings it that way!)

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date:         mon, 5 may 1997 13:18:11 +0200
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subject:      re: just wondering if anyone else noticed
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hi amber,
i just read your mail and it really struck me. i have a roomate who
starts to do the same. she rides im my car with me every once in a while,
and always looks aggravates when i listen to romeo and juliet which is
one of the powerful songs i have in my car. and a couple of weeks ago she
said how awful she thinks it sounds. i guess there have to be people like
this on this world...i still love my roomie though...
just wanted to let you know...:)
maike

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date:         mon, 5 may 1997 07:39:12 -0500
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hi y'all,
finally i got sots saturday...on cassette.  yeah!  cassettes rock!  i'll
never give in and buy a cd player...okay maybe someday.
my only thoughts at the moment, since i don't want to go on and on about
what i like and don't like (at least to the list; i'm willing to talk
about it endlessly with others)...
#1(overall) and amy song shed your skin wow wow wow wow
#1 emily song everything in its own time.  amazingly poignant and reminds
me of something i can't quite put my finger on, listening during soft
spring rain...maybe october project??  "what was once your pain will be
your home."  holy shit.

about shed your skin: someone suggested that the references were
"masculine;" but i want to comment that snakes are sacred representations
of women's spirituality, or goddess worship--remember st. patrick "driving
the snakes out of ireland?"  that was the lovely church attempting to
eradicate earth-based religions.  so i want to say that snakes are not
necessarily masculine, freud aside.  and i don't think we have to take
"you growing longer" literally.  ;-)

so anyway, i like this album pretty much.  but then, i liked "monster" too
(for all of the rem fans out there).  yeah, at first listen i was blown
away by the overproduced nature of some of the songs (caramia, jesus--and
i agree that there are some weak lyrics there, oh well, can't bat a
thousand all of the time, emily), but now, well, i'm just annoyed at those
songs.  a hazard of hearing things live or on boots for the first
time--when they get into the studio, scary things can happen to songs
which are amazing live.  hm.

i like the idea of doing new songs of the week.  i
take it we've taken on sys for this week.  hurray!  it's my overall fave
no matter what.  i like a lot of the other songs too, like soy and gotm
and eiiot and hkf (so un-amy like, and so pretty) and...scooter boys is
okay...oh yeah, i almost forgot dgtgag, which i adore...and ia (my home
state!)...anyway.  more on sys later.
damn, i went on and on anyway... oh well...

ta everyone.

--suzi

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date:         mon, 5 may 1997 09:09:55 -0400
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subject:      where is antioch, tn?

that may sound like a stupid question, but it isn't in either of my atlases.
(well, it may in fact be a stupid question, but if i can drive to knoxville
from memphis, i can drive to antioch.  wherever it is.)

any information greatly appreciated so i don't have to use the cats'
entrails.  (that might not please my fellow peta-ers.)

thanks,
dee

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date:         mon, 5 may 1997 10:00:46 edt
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from:         "christopher m. becker" <cmbecker@space.mit.edu>
subject:      re: the women of mountain stage
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              schreihart" at may 4, 97 8:44 pm

i'll second this and add a little more. =)

mountain stage is "live performance theatre from the mountain state of
west virginia" and heard on many npr stations (yet another public
radio plug from chris -- have you pledged? =)).  in boston, it airs on
90.9 wbur 6 pm sundays (i think).  since ms is one of the npr
sydicated shows ("a prarie home companion," "what do you know," or
"this american life") it may or may not be available in you area,
and it may be aired at an odd time.

do check it out.  lisa listed many of the artists that have appeared.
what she didn't know to tell you is that many of those artists
appeared while they were still in their "up and coming state."  you'll
notice the ig selection was strange fire and not power of two though
to be honest, i'm not sure when the ig were on). its a fun program,
especially if you like bluegrass, zydeco, and other types of music you
don't hear frequently.

as for the cd, its well worth the money.  i had no problem finding in
in botson.

                                -- chris

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hi,

wanted you pnw's to know that seattle area border's have the promo video.

i went to the southcenter store and talked to the music manager; he knew
the seattle store also had videos.  no calendars or liner notes, but he
took my name & was going to call their sales rep today ... yeah !!!

cheers,
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> from:    lisa loutzenheiser <lwloutze@students.wisc.edu>
> subject: perham and attempts to incite
>
> can i make a suggestion that we as a list ignore tripe such as this which
> just attempts to incite.  let's not answer it and encourage it.  lisa
>
>

golly sure didn't mean to _incite_ you.  i guess one is only allowed
to opine on this list if one's opinions gibe with yours?  i'll try
to remember that in the future when i have an opion to share.
the post wasn't written in a vacuum, you know.  it was part of
a conversation, one man's tripe is another's gourmet delicacy.
i s'pose you had no substantive argument with the contents of the
post, or perhaps you would have responded to that?

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subject:      115/17

my first interpretation of this was that amy was making an
exaggeration about her age in comparison to the other person, maybe
because of an large age difference " (i'm) 115, you are 17.....)

just my 2 cents
forever indigo,
cathy

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okay childrens...i just thought i'd let those of you who expressed an
interest know, my wedding's been moved.  it's now june 20 (was june 13).
still gasworks park.  still around 8pm-ish.

sorry to bother all of you, but i can't find the addys of those who wanted to
attend.

dawn

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hi- here's another suggestion on the debate... is 115 in anyway significant to
guns?  she says "itchy trigger", so i thought maybe
it would pertain to guns. i'm also in agreement with 17 being an
age.  just my $.01/2.
-alicia
"all i've learned has been in vain, like water on a stain"
                              -amy ray
"your hatred is rooted in your fear, and your paranoia and
insecurities, well they don't belong here."
                              -amy ray
"i walk like a woman and talk like a man.  i said i am who the
fuck i am..."
                              -melissa ferrick


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is there any way that we can find out she actually meant it to be?


at 08:14 am 5/5/97 pdt, you wrote:
>hi- here's another suggestion on the debate... is 115 in anyway significant to
>guns?  she says "itchy trigger", so i thought maybe
>it would pertain to guns. i'm also in agreement with 17 being an
>age.  just my $.01/2.
>-alicia
>"all i've learned has been in vain, like water on a stain"
>                              -amy ray
>"your hatred is rooted in your fear, and your paranoia and
>insecurities, well they don't belong here."
>                              -amy ray
>"i walk like a woman and talk like a man.  i said i am who the
>fuck i am..."
>                              -melissa ferrick
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subject:      re: 1694?
x-to:         littlebit <patterj@mail.auburn.edu>

i looked up the date 1694 in microsoft bookshelf and it gave a few
listings for that 1694 date in the chronology section...all kind of
sad...not too sure it helps solve the mystery of amy's 1694 though.
lynn in seattle  :)

1.  communications and media, 1694

england's press censorship ends with the expiration of the licensing act
which is not renewed for 1695.

2.  economics, finance, and retailing, 1694

parliament doubles the english salt tax to raise money for the
continuing war with france.

3.  food availability, 1694

"all france is nothing more than a vast poorhouse, desolate and without
food," writes françois de salignac de la mothe-fénelon, tutor to the
grandson of louis xiv.


4.  medicine, 1694

disease epidemics sweep through france's lower classes and take a heavy
toll among people weakened by hunger and exhaustion.

5.  political events, 1694

the royal navy bombards dieppe, le havre, and dunkirk, but the french
turn back an attack on brest despite having been weakened by hunger and
disease (see 1694).


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> sent:         friday, may 02, 1997 11:04 am
> to:   indigo-girls@netspace.org
> subject:      1694?
>
> i have heard alot of questions about the 1694? reference. i just took
> it
> for granted that this was the year that we started coming over
> here..(plymouth rock and etc.) so back then we were on the same
> boat..immagrants as well. i'm not a history buff, so i could be very
> wrong..but it is just a thought.
>
> bjp
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>  you will dissolve all the stones that are cast." -- amy ray
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hey y'all...i got a question.  i read that although melissa etheridge loves
the look of leather, she doesn't wear it due to her beliefs and support of
peta.  well, on this album, a&e appear to be wearing leather.  aren't they
animal rights supporters?  i don't see peta on their list of "resources",
but i thought it was odd to see them, apparently, wearing leather.

any thoughts??
- jen hall

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gwendigo wrote:
> which emphasizes my theory.  sara lee is the "tie that binds" this album
> together!  i hadn't specifically thought of sys, but especially there,
the
> basswork is really solid and grounding.  it sets a tone of urgency to the
> album.  what a great sign of a great album...every day i discover
> something more that i love about it.

for me, i love the drumwork.  my husband (also an ig fan) commented on how
e&a often use the same guitar sound (chords and strumming pattern).  but,
along w/ the bass, i find the drum work to be more emphasized and actually,
in your face.

on sys for example, during "come on down to chicano city park..." there a
portion of banjo and drums that gets me every time.  and also during the
banjo solo. it's great!

also on "it's alright", the part "it's alright though we worry and fuss..."
a bass drum plays and it's just great.

we all know that a&e wanted a wider variety of instruments (ex. a
coronet..!), but they've also emphasized the instruments that they've
always had too.  it's great!

peace,
- jen hall

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from:         "susan b. marine" <susan.b.marine@dartmouth.edu>
subject:      hiiiiii-ya! (nigc and new mongrels)

--- susanna kwan writted:
<suzi b. marine, here's a plan: i'll hold down that guy from
coconuts while you jam-shove that lovely pocketprotector up his (_|_)  and
then you can help me do the same with the idiot i had to deal with...>
--- end of quoted material ---

*sigh*
funny story!
i went into abovementioned music store yesterday to commune briefly with mister
pocket protector, and when he saw me comin, he ran into the back room. i asked
the other counterfolk where he was goin and they said "he's scared of you...he
calls you "indigogirls axe murderer"

i have succeeded in scaring someone! ha! and he hasn't even seen me naked!

in other news,
someone please recommend to me which of the new mongrels cd's to lay out my
dough for. keep in mind, if the cd you recommend isn't great. i'm coming after
your hiney cos i am scary! :)

xoxo, susanna

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                                                - master badass, john
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decided to do an infoseek search (http://www.infoseek.com) on "scooter
boys," and here's some of what i found.

from the looks of the books on this web page:

        http://www.worldramp.net/~snag/book.html

scooter boys may have to do with skinheads.  looks like the following page
indicates the same, but i'll need our german listers to tell us for sure:

        http://www.stud.uni-hannover.de/user/74097/scootboy.htm

there's also a scooterboy interactive fiction page:

        http://www.iac.co.jp/scooterboy/index.html
        http://www.sit.com/scooterboy/index.html

it looks like a band called catbox has a song called scooter boys:

        http://www.audities.com/mag/reviews/i2/catbox.htm


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finally found out (thank god for the updates in the lilith fair home page) that tickets for
the show at the starlake amp in burgettstown (outside of pittsburgh) go on sale...


                june 7th!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (or perhaps the 5th, i was so excited that
the date was finally confirmed that i didn't log it right away in my memory.)

hope to see everyone (even though i don't know who you are) there!

alisa

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              at may 5, 97 2:10 am

>
> here's a partial list of the influences i hear in these songs:
> lots and lots of beatles (mid to late sixties albums), bruce
> springsteen

no *kidding*! does anyone else see a really striking similarity (mostly a
musical one, but also a little of a thematic one) between sys and bruce's
"cover me"? someone tell me i'm not nuts.
kirsten

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here goes random ticket plea #2 from me:

we know they're gonna be in seattle on july 11/12/13 and the pier people
said tickets were going on sale today. where are we supposed to buy
tickets? i called ticketmaster this morning and they have absolutely no
information on these dates. do we actually have to go down to a physical
location in seattle to get them?

the pier webpage doesn't say a single thing about where to buy tickets and
they don't even list a phone number to call for more information. the tm
webpage does have a link set up for the "summer nights at the pier" concert
series but it says "no scheduled acts for this venue." how weird! if they
aren't selling tickets for the pier why do they have a link set up for
them? if you could help we'd really appreciate it. (understatement) :)

kristina (and lurker friend)

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anyone notice yet that 115*17=1955?  not a bad year esp. for chevrolet:)  the
fullness of time makes a little more sense then.

i just had to play with these numbers algebraically (down to calculating
euler-phi functions:|).. so back to the real stuff..

kathy
vintage 1953

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here's the line-up so far per lf:

act 1: tba
act 2: shawn colvin
act 3: tba
act 4: indigo girls (slipping in the line-up)
act 5: jewel
act 6: tba (possibly sheryl crow but keeping toes crossed for tracy chapman)
act 7: sarah mclachlan

deb

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sorry, forgot to include this in the last post:

although rcam said ig were doing the lf dates from aug 5th - 29th, they _do
not_ appear on the schedule so far for the august 6th date at the starwood
amp near nashville. the headliners there are joan osborne, jewel and sarah.
perhaps ig isn't playing that date after all.

deb

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do the ig have any dates in the twin cities this summer?  any info would be
appreciated.

thanks,
lisa
lisa nordeen
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first, some random thoughts:

i'm sorry to report that i spotted no sign of ig on either the soundscan
top 200 album charts (http://www.mrshowbiz.com/numbers/music/) or the
billboard charts (http://www.billboard-online.com/), either album or
single. :(

a couple of people have asked about the tour t-shirt... i think it's
basically in keeping with the hte theme.

for those of you working with audrey on web pages, i highly recommend
wired's webmonkey site for learning
(http://www.webmonkey.com/webmonkey/teachingtool/) and general reference
(http://www.webmonkey.com/).

regarding the hkf guy... i think he says something like "it's so hard when
they all have to be so far away..."

=-=-=

jan hallford <jhllfrd@galstar.com> wrote:
>this is not the point.  the point is that you have ig on your show...and
you >go on...and on...and on...with the lesbian jokes.

did you happen to notice that the big, big, hugely-hyped,
much-commented-upon ellen episode was on that night?  i think that context
makes all the difference in the world.

=-=-=

"j \"tigger\" kickliter" <emilyamy@aol.com> wrote:
>i was very impressed that rosie knows the lyrics to all ig songs!!!!  wonder
>if rosie's on this list?????  hehehe

rosie knows all the lyrics to most of her guests' songs!  she's sung along
to barry manilow, chaka khan, elton john, wynona judd, robert palmer... the
list goes on and on.  which is not to say that rosie's not an ig fan, just
that the fact that she knows the lyrics isn't particularly surprising or
novel.

=-=-=

simone jarzabek <jarzabek@halcyon.com> wrote:
>your note got me thinking ... i think it refers to the re-colonization
>of new mexico by the spanish in 1692-1694.  the pueblo indians revolted
>against the spanish in 1680, but the spaniards returned again, and lead
>by don diego de vargas, re-conquered the pueblo indians.  the pueblo
>indians revolted against the spanish again in 1696.

doesn't make sense in the context of the lyrics, though.  i agree with
those that thing it doesn't refer to anything in particular, it just "fit."

=-=-=

indigo jo <mts5@aber.ac.uk> wrote:
>on sat, 3 may 1997, jen hall wrote:
>
>> new article on the girls and some new pictures.  is that amy in a dress??
>
>it is indeed.   the picture was taken off the cover of rocket magazine a
>couple of years ago.

actually, that appears to have been a promo shot, i've seen it in several
publications, and it was on some of the promo flats for so.

=-=-=

renny5@aol.com wrote:
>i think we all should e-mail rosie and thank her for actually talking to the
>indigo girls.

no need to thank her, really... that's her show format, she talks to
everyone.  letterman and leno, otoh, usually talk only to musicians if they
have achieved icon status.  just different formats.

=-=-=

peachy706@aol.com wrote:
>this is probably any incredibly stupid question,

i think this phrase should be replaced with, "could someone please give me
the url for the faq?" :)  it's at http://www.fl.net.au/~sherlyn/ig/.

>but what is daemon that amy kept talking about in the interview?

the independent record label she started.  see
http://www.monsterbit.com/daemon/daemon.html for more info.

=-=-=

lorinda wright <wright@biodec.wustl.edu> wrote:
>if someone handed me a rap album and said, write what you think,
>i'd write lots of really unpleasant, unflattering things. that wouldn't
>mean that rap fans wouldn't love it. so what's the point?????

well, if you had no appreciation of rap as a whole, you shouldn't review
that genre.  otoh, if you did have appreciation of it, you should be able
to recognize really good rap and really bad rap, and express your opinions
on everything in between.

it was album reviews that caused me to by kristen hall's real life stuff
(when hardly anyone knew who she was), and it was another review that got
me to buy my first ani cd (not so soft).  so they can't be all bad, you
just need to know who to trust!

=-=-=

"margaret a. clayton" <maclayto@mtholyoke.edu> wrote:
>well, i have been listening to the new album almost constantly for a month
>now and have yet to say a word about it.  all good things must come to an
>end, and so must my silence.

and so it did!  i enjoyed your opinions, and agree with many of them.  as
i've said, sots is never going to be at the top of my ig playlist. but it
does have several great songs.  like andrew, i love the first six (?)
songs... i keep wanting to start over after dgtgag!  i also would have like
to have seen "chiapas bound" instead of hkf.

=-=-=

andrea mcgraw <finellamac@aol.com> wrote:
>bartender blues is, from memory, a caroline aitken (maybe wendy bucklew??)
>cover version... i forget. no unreleased stuff there...

which are covers of the james taylor original.

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jen hall <jchall@earthlink.net> wrote:
>hey y'all...i got a question.  i read that although melissa etheridge loves
>the look of leather, she doesn't wear it due to her beliefs and support of
>peta.

where'd you read that?  everything i've read is to the contrary.  and she
no longer supports peta now that she's been made aware of their more
radical positions.  she's also not vegetarian, though she tried it for a
while.

>well, on this album, a&e appear to be wearing leather.  aren't they
>animal rights supporters?

they contributed to the peta benefit cd, tame yourself, but i don't know
how avidly they support the entire peta agenda.  i seem to recall their
having mixed feelings after finding out that peta's against animal testing,
which could find a cure/vaccine for aids, but i don't recall a specific
reference, so don't take my word for it.

=-=-=

mjg333@aol.com wrote:
>  would any kind soul happen to have the complete article?  if so i would
>really be  grateful if someone could email it to me.  thanks!

watch for it at: http://www.monsterbit.com/stammer/.  the may issue isn't
up yet.

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just cause y'all are so nice to me about ticket info i thought i'd pass
this on. i called showman (promoters) in oregon and was told july 10th (st.
paul, oregon) "has not necessarily been confirmed yet." i asked when it
might be and she said "check back in a week." so there you have it!

kristina

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would the person who's seeking used guitar strings to make jewlery please
contact me. i lost your address, and i have some strings ready to
send.thanks!


derek moulaison
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andy s. boettcher wrote:
>
> isn't it "you know me and jesus," because that's what they say, and if
> it's not, who would "we're" of the same heart... be. who's the "we're" ?
> no, thi isn't a flame- i'm actually interested in what other people are
> thinking.
>
> ~andy
>

forgive me if someone has already said this, but according to the liner
notes, it is indeed "you know me and jesus".   i understood it as her
friend (tanner in the liner notes, but not actually sung in the song) is
being quoted as saying, "you know me and jesus are of the same heart..."
etc, etc.)  meaning she (the friend) thinks they are the same person, or
very much alike/of the same constitution, but she is not as perfect as
he is (keeps "fuckin' up").

elena

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deb wrote:
>>scooter boys may have to do with skinheads.  looks like the
>>following p= age indicates the same, but i'll need our german
>>listers to tell us for sur= e:
>>        http://www.stud.uni-hannover.de/user/74097/scootboy.htm

well, i just checked that site myself (not only because of the scooter boys
content but also because the url indicates that it is a web page from
somebody who attends the same college as i do).
you're right about the connection to skinheads. apparently, skinheads who
drive motor scooters are called "scooter boys" here. have never heard of
this before, though... but then again, i'm no skinhead ;-))).

peace and
take care,
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yippee skippee...lilith fair not only is coming to nashville, but ig will be
with them!  the show will be wednesday, august 6th starting at 4 p.m. at
starwood amphitheatre.  the local ticketmonster number (unsure of the 800 number)
is (615) 255-9600.  tix are $46.00, $29.50, and $23.50 (plus hefty "convenience
fees," i'm sure) and go on sale this saturday (5/10) at 10 a.m. cdt.  the partial
lineup listed in the tennessean says sarah mclachlan, jewel, indigo girls,
and emmylou harris  god, what a lineup.  emmylou harris will add such a
cool element to this mostly rock show. :)   when i first read about this tour
being put together last december in billboard, the article said that lesser
known acts would be playing at a smaller stage.  starwood has a veranda where
that sort of thing can be done (and was done during h.o.r.d.e. and lollapalooza).
so, what i'm wondering is...does anyone have any idea how long each artist
will be playing?  like, will ig only have an hour, or will they play a full
set?  i"m soooo excited about this.  if anyone would like to come to this show,
e-mail and i'll get you some hotel/motel info.  a list party might be in order for
this :)

peace,

joan :-d

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well...i'll beat deb to this one i think...i just went to
http://www.lilithfair.com and saw a new show listed for shakopee, mn
at canterbury park on august 20th. no listing of acts, but i'm assuming
most of the people from milwaukee will be there. if anyone knows anything
about canterbury park(it says 20,000 people), please mail me privatly.

on mon, 5 may 1997, lisa nordeen wrote:

> do the ig have any dates in the twin cities this summer?  any info would be
> appreciated.

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i know this info has been posted a hundred times, but i'm asking for a
friend so bear wit me.  does anyone know when and where ig will be
playing in atlanta and how much tix are, the phone #, etc?  please let me
know.

a devoted friend and fan,
maurissa

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>one last observation- someone mentioned there was no catchy singing along
>song on strange fire. i would say either "i don't wanna know"(along the
>lines of ctf), or "crazy game," though the tune is hard for us
>musically-challenged people to grasp.

i totally agree with you about "i don't wanna know"--that is one of my favorite
sing-at-the-top-of-your-lungs-till-your-roommate-threatens-to-shoot-you songs.

                snap, crackle, pop,
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his knee-high nylons"

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--- jen hall wrote:
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the look of leather, she doesn't wear it due to her beliefs and support o=
f
peta.
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hmmm

seems like i saw emily wearing dingo cowboy boots not too long ago, and those
are 100% certified dead animal skin, folks. but i guess amy is the vegetarian
right?

anyhoo,

don't ever buy leather pants kids! i made that mistake once, and let's just say
that in anything over 40 degree weather you will sweat your, um, kneecaps off!

i thought i was allll sexy and shtuff, butc after aerosmith (dont laff) show in
louavull once, i had to peel those suckers offa me like so much plasti-wrap on
a kraft single. not pretty!

sus
ps okay, so there' s only one new mongrels cd, i got it. thanks guyls
(combination guy/gal)

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ctf is one of my camp songs too. we have song sessions every friday night
and we all sing ctf. my sister and i love it because we are both such big
fans. we go to capital camps in waynesboro, pa.

rachel

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seffy here, checking in from home where i'm listening to sots at last...
for the first time in my life i was outside a record store as it opened!
it's a good day! new ig album, new government, and uk won the eurovision
song contest!!! yayyy!! here's my first thoughts:

shame on you:  la la la!!! yeah! it's a sunny day and i don't have to go to
work! (not entirely convinced by the banjo tho')  even my girlfriend can't
stop humming this (much to her annoyance!)
get out the map: love this...a cracking good happy-song.  keep wanting to
sing "get off your butt, get off your butt and pull your fin-ger out..."!
when i first heard this on boots i thought it was just crying out for some
oohs and aahs building up over the chorus. wouldn't shawn and chapin have
sounded great at this...
shed your skin:  never thought we'd hear amy singing over a hip-hop beat.
brings to mind suzanne vega's fat man & dancing girl - never thought i'd
hear that from her either.  like this a lot...i'm playing it loud!!!
it's alright: another corker. bet this is single #2.  couple of questions
tho' - amy's credited as playing electric 'baritone' guitar - anyone know
what that is exactly? and jerry's on flinstone - huh?  yabadabbadoo...!
caramia:  oooh - i like this!  harriet the spy reached us in the uk too -
one of my absolutely fave kids books...love the power chords and sweeping
strings into the chorus, and the slow guitar intro is vaguely
reminiscent of fugitive don't you think?  this is going to be one of my
fave em songs...
don't give that girl a gun: yep - this is the fave amy song of the
album...absolutely mesmerising...(i reckon it's 'won')
leeds:  that emily s is one talented girly...wonder if she'll start playing
some other piano parts on stage now...mystery perhaps?  ulali really remind
me of trio bulgaria(?) on that kate bush album...wasn't epecting the hurdy
gurdy though - had anyone mentioned this before?  saw a street performer
playing one of these a couple of months ago - weird sounding (and looking)
thing -  thought at the time that it could sound interesting in a different
setting...
scooter boys: i was about to say it hasn't grabbed me immediately yet...but
i'm having another listen and it's definitely growing...is that amy doing
those high "yeah's" over that wailing guitar bit...?
everything in it's time: anyone else think emily's been listening to too
much sting?!  sorry - i do like this...
cut it out:  ouch.  powerful stuff...
burn all the letters:  i like this.  ulali are cool...
hey kind friend: nice one...love sara's whistle...but what is that geezer
on about?

oh no - i'm out of time...being dragged out to a market. wish i had a
discman!!!

catch you later,

seffy
p.s. and for those of you taking notes, uk release is jewel case, gatefold
liner with lyrics one side and photies the other...and those dolls give me
the creeps...

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*laffing hysterically, nudges tamara*

do ya think we should tell 'em?  i don't know... this is too fun...

listen y'all, i guess i'm really advertising when i say this, but the
answer to the meaning behind the "115 you are 17" line that everyone is
racking their brains over is on the psu concert/interview boot.  so,
trade for the boot, and enlighten yourselves...

then again, maybe we'll tell you after our finals are over.

maybe.

lurve (hehehe)
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please tell!  that's not fair to keep us in the dark.


at 03:20 pm 5/5/97 -0400, you wrote:
>*laffing hysterically, nudges tamara*
>
>do ya think we should tell 'em?  i don't know... this is too fun...
>
>listen y'all, i guess i'm really advertising when i say this, but the
>answer to the meaning behind the "115 you are 17" line that everyone is
>racking their brains over is on the psu concert/interview boot.  so,
>trade for the boot, and enlighten yourselves...
>
>then again, maybe we'll tell you after our finals are over.
>
>maybe.
>
>lurve (hehehe)
>feather
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>heather solimini (feather)
>hxs171@psu.edu
>lotsa stuff at http://www.personal.psu.edu/hxs171
>irc: bluegirl
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>love you good and strong while our love is good and young..."
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subject:      re: leather?

in a message dated 97-05-05 13:29:48 edt, you write:

> i read that although melissa etheridge loves
>  the look of leather, she doesn't wear it due to her beliefs and support of
>  peta.

picture it:

houston, tx 11-18-96 <===mle in black leather singin' her ass off :) :)

deal with it ;)

jude :)

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actually, melissa does wear lether... when she agreed to do the peta
poster with julie, she made it clear that she had no intentions of
stopping wearing her leather... so she does wear it...

as for the ig's, i'm not too sure.... anyone have any info/thoughts???

britt

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if anyone has posted this i am sorry--with exams i haven't quite been
keeping up.  but seventeen magazine quotes amy ray this month in an article
on vegetarianism, and has a little picture as well.  about a one sentence
quote, i think, but that is igc in seventeen two months in a row!

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subject:      seffy!  sting!!!!  you're sooooo right!
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i know, second post of the day, but...when seffy posted that eiiot sounds
like em's been listening to sting--yes yes yes!!  that's who i was trying
to think of when i posted earlier that it soudned like someone else and i
couldn't think who, yes, absolutely seffy, good one!  thank you so much!

probably that's why i like it so much...now if someone can tell me what
sys sounds like...
oh i was gonna post more on this sotw topic but i can't really think,
fried by a long walk in that iowa sun.  yup.  well, okay, i think sys has
a lot to do with sex and love and loss and that poignancy of feeling
yourselves lost against the world with a partner, or the partner being
lost and you trying to comfort her, and not caring what time commitments
you have elsewhere--living in the moment with such intensity that it's
dangerous and you shed your normal everyday skin, you grieve with
intensity, you love with intensity.  like being in high school, or on
drugs, or both.  i don't mean this in a perjorative sense either.  i love
this song.  anyone have thoughts on how it might have to do with drugs?
i'm using a quote from sys to start off a feminist ethics paper.  i love
the "you tell me it's holy, holy, i don't know what that is."  so
anguished.  go amy! "remorse it, i force it, can't free it, just be it."
yeah!!!!!  this isn't my most articulate post ever, just bear with me
here, it's hot outside...  hurray!!!

re scooter boys: thinking about evita, the nazi connections to argentina
and the long history of german migration there...so that scooter boys and
argentinians makes sense in a kind of fascist, nazi, wwii, plus colonial
settlement of the americas kind of a way.

okay.  off for a nap and a soda.  bye, chiquitas and chiquitos,
suzi cheese mongrel steffen (not to be confused with suzie b., although we
both love cheese)

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in a message dated 97-05-05 15:08:21 edt, you write:

> it is indeed.   the picture was taken off the cover of rocket magazine a
>  >couple of years ago.

i have this picture in a .bmp file format.  useful for wallpaper and is the
right proportion for use as a background for cassette liners :)

let me know if you want one.

jude :)

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i finally got my cd on sat., and was becoming real bitter after reading
review after review - and still unable to hear it for myself. my first
impression is that it's overproduced.  it's like someone let the girls into
a room full of instruments and they ran amok! (amy:  hey, emily... look - a
dobro; you should put this on "it's alright".  emily: yeah - cool!)  i'm
only thankful there were no bagpipes or accordions in there:)  (remember -
flame on - i actually like it;)  while i don't want to see a & e become
stale musically, i think that much of the experimentation heard here chokes
the songs. i think they still need *some* studio-supervision;) of course,
what do i know;)
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soy - starts out lacking the passion of the live performance, but picks it
up later.  like this song a lot.  imwo, one of the few that isn't overly
produced - actually enhanced somewhat. and maybe amy can trace her roots in
this country back to a boat load of european imigrants in 1694. just a
thought...

gotm - not sure i like all the backing vocals, sounds too polished, and not
too wild about the bongos or whatever that is at the beginning. still like
it, but....it'll take time.

sys - wow..."!" this kicks ass!!!  they done good on this one:)  one
example where everything works together!  wish this would get some
alternative airplay - and it might if there are enough requests for it
(hint hint)!!!

ia - those drums are obnoxious! too much bangin'.  i really like this song
bigtime in practice tour.  but, studio version is icky (although it will
probably grow on me).

caramia - again.... sounds too polished....and big, if that makes any
sense. i still like it, but i prefer the boot versions.

dgtgg - heavy on the drums again with a bit too much "stuff" going on. the
end seems weird, like they weren't sure how to end it.

leeds - don't mind the low-key background vocals until ulali starts wailing
- just doesn't work for me.  thank gawd for boots (especially that thunder
one, which i think should have been incorporated into the studio version;)
this will grow on me, i'm sure.

sb - scary vocals, other than that, it's well done - just not one of my
favorites. does have a major midnight oil sound (been said, i know;)

eiiot - done well, but will take some getting used to.

cio - harsh and kind of unpleasant, almost whiny....seems too personal to
be a song.  definitely my least favorite.

batl - wish i knew what this was about because it's kind of cool and i
actually don't mind ulali here.

hkf - really wish this didn't have horns in it:( (or that weird man
talking).  i think they must have recorded this real early because amy has
since learned to pronounce spokane properly (bumbershoot & eugene).

it might not seem like it, but i'm glad my cd finally came.  but now i'm
really looking forward to their acoustic offering, and am grateful that i
went to the eugene show - need boot!.

happy-day!
betsy

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subject:      re: the women of mountain stage

strangely enough, i went and looked for this cd the day before the
discussion started here on the list!  but.....i can't find it!!!!
blockbuster has no idea what the hell i am talking about when i ask them
to look for it..  they couldn't find it in their computers or in their
order books..  grrrrr i hate texas small towns!!  anyone know exactly
where i can find it?

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subject:      re: sting

seffy wrote:

>>>everything in it's time: anyone else think emily's been listening to too
much sting?!  sorry - i do like this...>>>

ahhh. thank you...that song, which i like, too, has been driving me nuts for
days cause i knew it sounded like something....sting is it. it really reminds
me of that russians love their children, too song.

as  for most bothersome if it were in my head: cara mia...almost a week later
and i still cant like this song...

one i wouldnt mind: dgtgag....which has become one of my favorites

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subject:      e-mail me **now** if you want a rosie/letterman/ellen/melissa
              un-plugged tape

hey everyone!

ok, if you want a copy of the

**rosie/letterman/ellen: the puppy/melissa etheridge un-plugged**

tape

e-mail me, elizabeth, at wishmonstr@aol.com

tell me you want one, and someone will get in touch with you about getting
it.  if you want just one of those things, well, you're going to get all four
un-less (a) i already talked to you (in which case please e-mail me back) or
(b) you can work something out with who ever is taping it for you.

ok, e-mail me!

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hiya dudes,

just had a lookie out my window to find that it is snowing, yes, snowing
here in aberdeen, scotland.  in may.  i'm sure that must be some kinda
record.  i'll have to go and look out all my winter thermals.  grumble,
grumble and brrrrrr.

gail (thankful that she is holidaying in texas this summer where there is as
much likelihood of snow as there is of hell freezing over)

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thanks to the person who posted the site for the lilith fair.
http://www.lilithfair.com

checking out the site i discovered that it was going to be coming to dallas
on august 4, and that tickets would go on sale on june 14. does anyone know
who is going to be playing? and if not, how does one find out? the web-site
didn't really have artists listed by site even though they had confirmed
dates (don't tell you what those are either).  the girls are playing dallas
on june 28th already so it would be a wonderful thing to hear them again,
but that sounds like asking for too much.

called ticketmaster (again!) about the june show. for the third week in a
row, they still don't have information and asked me to call back (again!)
on thursday. will post that as soon as i find out...if i find out.

if someone is familiar with the photography and taping policy of starplex
in dallas please e-mail me privately and let me know. currently planning to
tape and shoot that show, and strip-searches performed on me by utter
strangers upset all my friends who accompany me:) thanks!

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subject:      re: 1694?

in a message dated 97-05-05 11:37:59 edt, lynncar@microsoft.com (lynn
cardamone) writes:

<< i looked up the date 1694 in microsoft bookshelf and it gave a few
listings for that 1694 date in the chronology section.. >>

hey, people, i looked it up in the encyclopedia of world history.  it's this
big ol' book that is the historians bible (i live with two . .. i should
know).  anyway, i can tell you right now nothing happened specificly in 1694.
there were boats coming over . . . i think something was going on in new
mexico . . . but nothing specific happened.  oh well, i guess we should try
not to be so incredibly literal about these things . . . =)

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just a quick update (sort of) on the ig shows at the backyard in austin.
i called the backyard this afternoon. they stated that they still do not
have pricing on tix yet. the dates c0onfirmed are thu. june 26th, show
is at 7:00pm and friday june 27th, show is at 8:00pm. the woman i spoke
to said she believes that it will be mostly reserved seating, with some
general admission, but that wasn't absolutely for certain. no word on an
opening act. tix go on sale saturday may 17th. i will call them again
next week for further information.
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the animals all hung out and interacted fretlessly
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coming from a country largely composed of vegetarians, i know a bit about
"those people" :)

most animal rights activist and vegetarians don't have a problem with
leather because animal skin is not...er...harvested.. until the animal is
dead. usually leather makers don't trap animals as do furriers. enough
animals die regularly enough to keep them stocked. (gawd! all this
talk...).nor are animals raised for that particular purpose, as are cows,
veal, etc, so in terms of cruelty etc., it's not the same thing.

btw, emily is reported to be vegetarian as well. i remember reading her
saying "i don't eat anything that has a face" which sounds like she is an
ovo-lacto vegetarian.


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here is some info on tickets for the seattle shows.  this is absolutely
not guaranteed to be true in anyway.  the www.summernights.org site is
clearly being updated - they had performers listed this morning, now they
have unconnected links to ticket ordering info.  so i poked around a bit
and got the tickets document, but since they haven't linked it in, i
can't tell you whether this is true or not.  take it for what it's worth.

and sorry about the wrapped lines.  i don't love you guys enough to
reformat it!

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tickets

             tickets for at&t summer nights at the pier and club nights
go on sale saturday, may 10
             at 9:00 am through all ticketmaster ticket centers or by
calling (206) 628-0888
             (convenience charges apply). tickets are also available at
the summer nights box office,
             which is open tuesday through saturday from 11:00 to 5:00
beginning june 26.

             pier 62/63 offers excellent acoustics, great sight lines and
concert-quality stage, sound and
             lighting. the at&t summer nights at the pier venue is
general admission with seating for
             4,000 on chairs, bleachers and picnic tables. ani difranco,
hit explosion and ben harper
             concerts will be dance-style with no floor seating.the house
opens 1 1/2 hours before
             showtime, allowing time to enjoy dinner, refreshments and
beverages from some of seattle's
             best restuarant. all tickets to at&t summer nights at the
pier are rain or shine, with no
             refunds or exchanges. please, leave cameras and alchohol at
home. the club nights at the
             pier venue seats 750 to 900 and is also general admission
seating.

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there you go,

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subject:      burn that cd....

hey.... did someone mention on here before how much it would cost to put a
boot on cd?  i know someone who will do it for $15-20 a cd...e-mail me
privately if you're interested....

-libby

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subject:      nigc: timmie and a shoulder to cry on

i just want to thank everyone who replied so kindly; all 30 of you!!!  it
breaks my heart... see, i've seen a million animals be put to sleep (my
degree is pre-vet), but it is never easy..... now it was my own baby.
timmie (miniature dachsund) won't have dry eye anymore; he won't have
degenerative discs anymore; he won't bloat anymore; he won't have to eat
yucky special diets anymore.... that's my saving grace, my will.  he is now
across that rainbow bridge, running around like he was when he was a puppy,
barking and chasing his tail.  someday we will meet again....

thanks so much!  you guys are great.....  :)
libby

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hello out there in indigoland!!!

  does anyone have an extra autographed cd liner to trade from the target
sampler or a dub of the promo video or a copy of any import/promo the ig
have?  if interested i will send you a list of import & promos i have.
thanks!

:)
jesse

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on mon, 5 may 1997 11:06:03 -0400, you wrote:

>scooter boys may have to do with skinheads.  looks like the following page
>indicates the same, but i'll need our german listers to tell us for sure:
>
>        http://www.stud.uni-hannover.de/user/74097/scootboy.htm

that one was a 404.

first thing that came to my mind was 1960's england. found this usage
of sb in a review of 'quadrophenia':

'quadrophenia centres on the youth culture of 60s britain. green
parkas are in an abundance in this film, adorning the scooter
boys who use vespas and lambrettas as their preferred mode of
transport.'

hth,  georg


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hey y'all,

just thought i'd let y'all know in case it hasn't been posted yet...
there's a guitar signed by a&e up for auction on the t.j. martell auction
site at:

http://www.streammedia.com/auctionline/

looks like the high bid right now is $750 (yikes).

by the way, for anyone who wants to find out exactly where their
table seats are for the chastain shows, i have put a seating chart up on
my website at http://www.law.emory.edu/~llevy.  none of the other online
seating charts seem to show exactly where the tables are.  just a warning,
however... it's kinda hard to make out the numbers on this chart 'cause it
didn't scan very well and was hand-drawn to begin with, but you should be
able to figure it out eventually.  oh, and for those people who have table
seats higher than the last table listed, i'm assuming they are going to
add a few more rows of tables behind the last row of tables listed here.
and one more thing (sheeesh), i take no responsibility for this chart
being wrong, 'kay?

peace, folks
lori

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on mon, 5 may 1997 12:32:47 -0700, you wrote:

>actually, melissa does wear lether... when she agreed to do the peta
>poster with julie, she made it clear that she had no intentions of
>stopping wearing her leather... so she does wear it...
>
>as for the ig's, i'm not too sure.... anyone have any info/thoughts???

if the above is true the etheridge is the worst kind of liberal
hypocrite. and peta, well maybe it adds to their market presence i
guess.

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does anyone have an indigo girls desktop theme for win95 that they would be
willing to share? i can just see myself hearing a snippet of a song or one
of the girls say "all right!" or "woo-hoo" every time i open a document :)
. please email me privately at my work address listed below.
urvashi u.pitre@tcu.edu

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hey everyone!  i think this might have been discussed already but i was
just wondering who david kehrer was?  it says that sots was dedicate to
him.  can anyone enlighten me?  thanks

jonny

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just had to let you know that soy has gotten the seal of appoval from my
9 year old son. we were driving and i popped the tape in. as soon as it
started, he began bopping in his seat. his first question was, "is this
the indigo girls?" then he heard the "fuckin up" line and said, "did she
say what i think she said ?" when i said yes, he griggled like beavis and
asked to hear it again.

missy

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(melissa etheridge wearing leather, not me... ;o)

--- jen hall wrote:
i read that although melissa etheridge loves the look of leather, she
doesn't wear it due to her beliefs and support of peta.

wasn't me wearing leather pants on the vh1 duets show as well as the mtv
unplugged special she did?  preeeeeety sure......unless it was fake
leather...but somehow, i doubt it....

have a good one everyone!
joni :o)

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my local station does not have  soy> i keep emailing them, asking for
them to play it. any ideas on how to proceed from here.(short of buying
them a copy)

missy

ps- i live in the sticks in central pa, so i was not surprised they did
not have it, but i will make a pest of myself until they get it.

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nope,nope nope! yer not nuts!!
mainly in the snarl, i think...cm is a little more traditional in chord
progression,
but thematically and "feel"-wise, there is a definate connection.  but
i've always looked for the boss in ig...:)

on mon, 5 may 1997, kirsten chevalier wrote:

> >
> > here's a partial list of the influences i hear in these songs:
> > lots and lots of beatles (mid to late sixties albums), bruce
> > springsteen
>
> no *kidding*! does anyone else see a really striking similarity (mostly a
> musical one, but also a little of a thematic one) between sys and bruce's
> "cover me"? someone tell me i'm not nuts.
> kirsten
>
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at 11:09 pm 5/5/97 gmt, georg petersen wrote:

>first thing that came to my mind was 1960's england. found this usage
>of sb in a review of 'quadrophenia':
>
>'quadrophenia centres on the youth culture of 60s britain. green
>parkas are in an abundance in this film, adorning the scooter
>boys who use vespas and lambrettas as their preferred mode of
>transport.'

kewl!  i haven't thought about the who's 'quadrophenia' for a long time!
"out of my brain on the train...out of my brain on the 515!"   aaaaaah!
another number in a song! (but this number referred to the 5:15 train....no
question....)

back to "deciphering numbers 101...."


joni :o)

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hey everyone,

deb c. said:
>actually, that appears to have been a promo shot, i've seen it in several
>publications, and it was on some of the promo flats for so.

the infamous "amy in a dress" photo was also the
cover of both versions of the "touch me fall"
single released here in australia...

>i think this phrase should be replaced with, "could someone please give me
>the url for the faq?" :)  it's at http://www.fl.net.au/~sherlyn/ig/.

thanks for the plug. *grin*  this question should
be followed by "should i read the faq?" (to which
the answer, of course, is yes yes yes).  the next
question after that should be "does the faq have
the answers to all my questions about sots?" -
unfortunately no, not yet, but we're working on it.

>well, if you had no appreciation of rap as a whole, you shouldn't review
>that genre.  otoh, if you did have appreciation of it, you should be able
>to recognize really good rap and really bad rap, and express your opinions
>on everything in between.

there was an interview a few years ago in which amy
said that back when "indigo girls" came out, they'd
been upset by a negative review of the album in
some college paper... until they read the "about the
author" blurb at the end of the article and
discovered that the reviewer was actually the
(?) engineering writer for the paper.  i guess it's
all relative.

happy happy folks,
sherlyn

ps - yen and cylinda - i love you guys!  i got the
lotgsg this morning... susan thinks i'm cool!  i
rule. :)  thanks!
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i believe that may be true in india but it is not true in the united
states.  animals are raised for hide; in the case of major livestock
animals such as cattle, much of commercial leather comes from beef cattle.
(there is no waste from a slaughtered american beef cattle)  around here
furriers don't trap their animals but raise them, for the most part, in
pens.  americans are pretty lazy and greedy to count on anything as
unreliable as trapping and natural hunting.  and as for what "most animal
rights activists and vegetarians" believe in the us, it's just about
impossible to generalize like that here, but from my vegetarian and animal
rights connections, i would say the majority are anti-leather and fur,
although many do use small amounts.  there is an entire other debate about
leather v. leather substitutes (i.e. vinyl); what it boils down to is that
neither product is cruelty free, so if leather is hard on your conscience
your best bet is to buy fewer shoes.  but this probably belongs on
alt.culture.vegetarian or whatever.

for references: robbins, j.  diet for a new america.
any issue of vegetarian times in the last 15 years.

p.s.  i took a chance on guessing that you were talking about india, based
on the context, but i could be totally wrong, so please don't shoot me!

on mon, 5 may 1997, dr. urvashi pitre wrote:

> coming from a country largely composed of vegetarians, i know a bit about
> "those people" :)
>
> most animal rights activist and vegetarians don't have a problem with
> leather because animal skin is not...er...harvested.. until the animal is
> dead. usually leather makers don't trap animals as do furriers. enough
> animals die regularly enough to keep them stocked. (gawd! all this
> talk...).nor are animals raised for that particular purpose, as are cows,
> veal, etc, so in terms of cruelty etc., it's not the same thing.
>
> btw, emily is reported to be vegetarian as well. i remember reading her
> saying "i don't eat anything that has a face" which sounds like she is an
> ovo-lacto vegetarian.
>
>
> urvashi urma@juno.com
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boys on the side is going to be on showtime 3 on cable tv tonight at
10:00 pm edt if you can get it. ig make an appearance (i'm told),
haven't seen it.
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i've been wanting to rent the movie for this exact reason... we don't
get showtime at school... someone please tell me if its worth renting
eith b/c a) its good... or b) they're actaully in it...
thanks!!
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hi - lynn from seattle here...  :)
i called bass tickets this morning.
they said they have no information on ig ticket sales on these dates at
berkeley.
do any of you bay area listers have any idea when these ticket go on
sale?
can you email me with any info???
thanks so much!

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does anyone else get frustrated with the line "and lay your finger anywhere
down" and always want to say "and lay your finger down anywhere" ?

anyone? bueller?

=) lori
happy to finally have the cd from the mail


"this is now, this is here, this is me, this is what i wanted you to see."
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okay, okay..sorry for the late input of my $0.02 worth but i just got the
album last night and the letterman episode was also shown just last
night...hey, i'm in singapore!!!..it's a miracle that i get ig in this land
of the mainstream top 40 music...and the young teenage girls actually
worship all the boy bands like backstreet boys..and all the like...yeesh..

1) okay, first lemme grouch about letterman..after reading all the comments
regarding the show on the list last week, i was more or less prepared to
listen to cheap shots about lebians...and well, i got it i guess...just
gotta say that the alec baldwin's comment that he was a lesbian was
waaayyyyy stupid and totally unfunny... and i thought at first that
letterman was quite insensitive about the whole issue but then again, he
has never really bothered to show any sensitivity so that's pretty much
normal..but i guess the part that really made me smile was at the end of
the set after the girls finished singing and he came out to hug them..that
was a cool gesture and amy and em were just smiling so much...i had this
huge goofy grin all the time i was watching them sing..:)

2) now lemme move onto the album itself....now keep in mind that i have not
heard anything from the new album..well if you count the chorus of soy thru
a wav file that someone on the list sent me...(thank you mary eichman)..so
that was my only inkling at what was in store...and well at first listen,
thing that hit me most was how different the sound of this album was to
previous albums..i mean i heard that it was a very electric album but
damn!!! it's electric!!!!...more mainstream than other stuff they
had...took me a while to adjust but after a while i kinda liked the new
sound....it's the kind of head bopping kinda sound..and well it was good
stuff...

3) a few songs that stuck in my mind more than others...definitely shame on
you..that one got my head bopping alright.....and i even liked the banjo
bit..have no idea why people have been arguing about it..i don't know what
it is but it does fit the whole mood of the song...and shed your
skin...now, that is definitely a song worth all the hype on the
list....never thought of amy as a hip hop kinda singer but well she really
was grooving in that one.

4) dgtgag was a very powerful .... very emotionally charged..i especially
love the bit where she goes "i'm your girl strong and mean...it'll be real
cool i'm your fool"..those lines really just bowled me over like wow!!!

5) hmm...leeds and eiiot was reminiscent of all the old es songs ..you
know, along the lines of her songs in so....very emotional and
slow....vintage es stuff..but there's something different about her
lyrics...evolved sorta into a more..gee what's the word...can't quite put
my finger to it..anybody can help me out..please feel free....

6) now sb...hmm..can't quite figure out what the whole song is trying to
say cos there is definitely some historical aspect about it all and
well..i'm not familiar with it at all....something about royalty
(??).."blue blood" bit...need some help with this one..so send me some
clarification somebody..:)

7) cio ..hmm...vintage ar stuff...

8) burn all the letters ...another thing i noticed was that this album is
more boldly political..well..that's just my thought...lastly hkf...love
it...kinda makes me wanna close my eyes and just let my thoughts wander

9) ulali lent a whole new sound to the songs that they were in..all the
wailing and stuff...was good in sys but i must admit that certain times, it
doesn't really fit the song..can't think of an example now though...so
overall!!!...i love the album...i guess all musicians tend to evolve and
experiment..and maybe it was ig's time to do so...

okay, sorry for the waste of bandwidth..just wanted to share my
thoughts.....peace and love to one and all....... :o)

siti

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<html><head></head><body bgcolor=3d"#ffffff"><p><font size=3d2 =
color=3d"#000000" face=3d"comic sans ms">okay, okay..sorry for the late =
input of my $0.02 worth but i just got the album last night and the =
letterman episode was also shown just last night...hey, i'm in =
singapore!!!..it's a miracle that i get ig in this land of the =
mainstream top 40 music...and the young teenage girls actually worship =
all the boy bands like backstreet boys..and all the =
like...yeesh..<br><br>1) okay, first lemme grouch about letterman..after =
reading all the comments regarding the show on the list last week, i was =
more or less prepared to listen to cheap shots about lebians...and well, =
i got it i guess...just gotta say that the alec baldwin's comment that =
he was a lesbian was waaayyyyy stupid and totally unfunny... and i =
thought at first that letterman was quite insensitive about the whole =
issue but then again, he has never really bothered to show any =
sensitivity so that's pretty much normal..but i guess the part that =
really made me smile was at the end of the set after the girls finished =
singing and he came out to hug them..that was a cool gesture and amy and =
em were just smiling so much...i had this huge goofy grin all the time i =
was watching them sing..:)<br><br>2) now lemme move onto the album =
itself....now keep in mind that i have not heard anything from the new =
album..well if you count the chorus of soy thru a wav file that someone =
on the list sent me...(thank you mary eichman)..so that was my only =
inkling at what was in store...and well at first listen, thing that hit =
me most was how different the sound of this album was to previous =
albums..i mean i heard that it was a very electric album but damn!!! =
it's electric!!!!...more mainstream than other stuff they had...took me =
a while to adjust but after a while i kinda liked the new sound....it's =
the kind of head bopping kinda sound..and well it was good =
stuff...<br><br>3) a few songs that stuck in my mind more than =
others...definitely shame on you..that one got my head bopping =
alright.....and i even liked the banjo bit..have no idea why people have =
been arguing about it..i don't know what it is but it does fit the whole =
mood of the song...and shed your skin...now, that is definitely a song =
worth all the hype on the list....never thought of amy as a hip hop =
kinda singer but well she really was grooving in that one.<br><br>4) =
dgtgag was a very powerful .... very emotionally charged..i especially =
love the bit where she goes "i'm your girl strong and mean...it'll =
be real cool i'm your fool"..those lines really just bowled me over =
like wow!!!<br><br>5) hmm...leeds and eiiot was reminiscent of all the =
old es songs ..you know, along the lines of her songs in so....very =
emotional and slow....vintage es stuff..but there's something different =
about her lyrics...evolved sorta into a more..gee what's the =
word...can't quite put my finger to it..anybody can help me out..please =
feel free....<br><br>6) now sb...hmm..can't quite figure out what the =
whole song is trying to say cos there is definitely some historical =
aspect about it all and well..i'm not familiar with it at =
all....something about royalty (??).."blue blood" bit...need =
some help with this one..so send me some clarification =
somebody..:)<br><br>7) cio ..hmm...vintage ar stuff...<br><br>8) burn =
all the letters ...another thing i noticed was that this album is more =
boldly political..well..that's just my thought...lastly hkf...love =
it...kinda makes me wanna close my eyes and just let my thoughts =
wander<br><br>9) ulali lent a whole new sound to the songs that they =
were in..all the wailing and stuff...was good in sys but i must admit =
that certain times, it doesn't really fit the song..can't think of an =
example now though...so overall!!!...i love the album...i guess all =
musicians tend to evolve and experiment..and maybe it was ig's time to =
do so...<br><br>okay, sorry for the waste of bandwidth..just wanted to =
share my thoughts.....peace and love to one and all....... =
:o)<br><br>siti<br><br><font =
size=3d2>http://members.wbs.net/homepages/s/i/t/siti57.html</p>
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date:         mon, 5 may 1997 13:41:58 -0700
reply-to:     lynn cardamone <lynncar@microsoft.com>
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subject:      re: 1694?
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sorry - this email was sent back to me & marked "undeliverable" - so i
am sending it again.  please forgive me if you get it twice.
lynn in seattle  :)
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> i looked up the date 1694 in microsoft bookshelf and it gave a few
> listings for that 1694 date in the chronology section...all of them
> are kind of sad...not too sure it helps solve the mystery of amy's
> 1694 though.
> lynn in seattle
>
> 1.  communications and media, 1694
> england's press censorship ends with the expiration of the licensing
> act which is not renewed for 1695.
>
> 2.  economics, finance, and retailing, 1694
> parliament doubles the english salt tax to raise money for the
> continuing war with france.
>
> 3.  food availability, 1694
> "all france is nothing more than a vast poorhouse, desolate and
> without food," writes françois de salignac de la mothe-fénelon, tutor
> to the grandson of louis xiv.
>
> 4.  medicine, 1694
> disease epidemics sweep through france's lower classes and take a
> heavy toll among people weakened by hunger and exhaustion.
>
> 5.  political events, 1694
> the royal navy bombards dieppe, le havre, and dunkirk, but the french
> turn back an attack on brest despite having been weakened by hunger
> and disease (see 1694).
>
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> sent:         friday, may 02, 1997 11:04 am
> to:   indigo-girls@netspace.org
> subject:      1694?
>
> i have heard alot of questions about the 1694? reference. i just took
> it
> for granted that this was the year that we started coming over
> here..(plymouth rock and etc.) so back then we were on the same
> boat..immagrants as well. i'm not a history buff, so i could be very
> wrong..but it is just a thought.
>
> bjp
>
> "when you learn to love yourself
>  you will dissolve all the stones that are cast." -- amy ray
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in regard to the concerts on july 5 & 6 i heard that the tickets are going
on sale on june 1.  but, i could be totally wrong.  i don't know how to
get the information because bass is completely unhelpful.


--katherine

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on 05/05/97, "mail from cindy (lucky you!)" <gossett@centre.edu> said:

>i've been wanting to rent the movie for this exact reason... we don't get
>showtime at school... someone please tell me if its worth renting eith
>b/c a) its good... or b) they're actaully in it...

a) yes it is an incredible movie. very sad. quite the tear-jerker!

b) yes the girls are in it. they are two women playing in a gay bar. the
song is....joking!! it's great.

everyone go rent it!

-liz-

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subject:      galileo guitar and vocals

hi. some friends of mine want to do galileo for the talent show but they
don't have the music or the money to go out and buy the guitar book for just
one song. knowing that i am a fan they asked me and knowing that i don't play
guitar or sing i figured i'd ask you all since you seem to be such
resourceful and wonderfully kind folk. so would any kind soul out there have
the guitar chords and/or the vocal music to galileo? it would be most
appreciated. . . thank you thank you thank you thank you. . .

-catherine = )

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boys on the side is absolutely worth renting. it's such a great movie. and
yes, ig do make an appearance.

sari

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i fight with love and i laugh with rage. you gotta live light enough to see
the humor, and long enough to see some change.
                -ani difranco

if you're going to be degenerate, you might as well be a lady about it.
                -armistead maupin
sari laufer
northwestern university
s-laufer@nwu.edu

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the following is the boot tree for the april 4, 1997 show in eugene, or.

songs on the boot are:

reunion
mystery
don't give that girl a gun
cara mia
shame on you
least complicated
scooter boys
get out the map
hand me downs
everything in its own time
shed your skin
leeds
chickenman
it's alright
hey kind friend
galileo
chiapas bound/amy's scream
land of canaan
virginia woolf
closer to fine (w/ferron and jamie sieber)

please note:  there are two people listed for each branch - please don't
wear out the one listed first!   also, some of the people listed below
haven't yet received their copy of the boot, but it's on the way, so
please allow a few extra days for them.

libra -
kfairbairn@pyrite.stonehill.edu
jlucero@mail.monmouth.com

scorpio -
mellie2@aol.com
debatediva@aol.com

sagitarius -
kevinh@plix.com
gkeyt@paul.spu.edu

cancer -
indigofrk@aol.com
seashellls@aol.com

leo -
guinione@aol.com
nordeelm@caa.mrs.umn.edu

gemini -
gqba31a@prodigy.com
mike_z@bigfoot.com

aries -
shakespearessister@compuserve.com
ronjohns@microsoft.com

pisces -
astaples@email.unc.edu
dhanson@mailclerk.ecok.edu

aquarius -
andrade@az.com
martine@aracnet.com

capricorn -
litlbits@ix.netcom.com
bonster@bp05.u.washington.edu

virgo -
jriley@sophia.smith.edu
teddie@mindspring.com

taurus -
indigopony@aol.com
cybertech3@mindspring.com


canada -   robin_squires@ymca.ca

australia/asia -   sherlyn@fl.net.au

europe - maror@teleco.upv.es

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i realized what makes me shiver the most in ig songs. it's when amy sings
emily's lyrics. i like emily lyrics more, but amy's voice is so much more
powerful(though emily's is just plain beautiful). one example is in gotm
when emily does the "why do we hurdle ourselves..." line, and amy follows
with "i can say around some corner..." it sounds so amazing. i can sense
the weariness. that's all.

sari

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the humor, and long enough to see some change.
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if you're going to be degenerate, you might as well be a lady about it.
                -armistead maupin
sari laufer
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s-laufer@nwu.edu

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urvashi wrote:
> btw, emily is reported to be vegetarian as well. i remember reading her
> saying "i don't eat anything that has a face" ...

i suppose she could still eat earthworms :-)

sorry, couldn't resist...

t

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subject:      tony (da chickenman) please read

sorry for wasting bw y'all tony will you please email me???  i had asked
about a copy of the chickenman boot & wondering what's up with that????

peace, harmony & indigo,

tigger, high priestess of amyism (emilyamy@aol.com)
   member - ssim yknib naf bulc
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"it's alright if you hate that way/hate me 'cause i'm different/hate me
'cause i'm gay..." - e. saliers
"i said you know it's funny/i think we were on the same boat back in 1694" -
a. ray
"mothers tell your children/be quick you must be strong/life is full of
wonder/love is never wrong..." - m. etheridge
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lynn cardamone <lynncar@microsoft.com> wrote:
>
> i called bass tickets this morning.
> they said they have no information on ig ticket sales on these dates at
> berkeley.
> do any of you bay area listers have any idea when these ticket go on
> sale?

bass date is june 1st.

tom

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>i've been wanting to rent the movie for this exact reason... we don't
>get showtime at school... someone please tell me if its worth renting
>eith b/c a) its good... or b) they're actaully in it...

"boys on the side":

a:) it is good

b:) they are in it.

the girls have a great cameo....amy's leg especially gets a lot of
attention for some reason.  the movie is very enjoyable, humorous at times,
and especially moving.  one of the few movies that actually may move you to
tears.

jay

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keep it in your heart like a stone
and when the winds have blown
things round and back again
what was once your pain will be your home.
                -indigo girls
                "everthing in its own time"

jay s. wiley '00
http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~wiley
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subject:      hey girls and boys, another ig article spotted!

in the new issue of time, their is a nice little article about the
girls and sots.  and in the business section of the chicago tribune
their is an article about ani difranco and righteous babe!  what a
pleasant surprise!

leah

who just put her ig sticker of sots with the creepy dolls on my guitar
case and me oh my, does my guitar case look hip!

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here's the time article...taken from
http://pathfinder.com/@@*5qjwaqawreqmmj7/time/magazine/1997/dom/970512/amusi.jon
i_mitchels.html  which is a really long url!


joni mitchell's daughters

new releases by indigo girls and newcomer laura love
keep the pop-folk tradition alive

by christopher john farley


folk music is all over the place these days. there's beck with his hip-hop
folk, ani difranco with her punk-folk, and jewel with her sexy, wet-lipped
pop-folk. relative to that lot, the veteran duo indigo girls and newcomer
laura love sound
almost like folk traditionalists.

indigo girls have been so good for so long--they were formed in 1983--it's
easy to yawn when they come out with yet another solid album. it's sort of
like michael jordan scoring 30 points: unless he scores 50, is it really
news? still, indigo girls' pleasant new album, the shaming of the sun
(epic), represents a noteworthy step in the evolution of the pair,
singer/songwriter/guitarists amy ray and emily saliers. the girls, who are
both gay (but not a couple), became more open about their sexuality a few
years ago, and on sun their music seems to have come out as well. their
past albums were concerned, in an almost solipsistic way, with their
interior lives; on shaming of the sun, the ebb and flow of their emotions
are linked more closely with happenings in the outside world.

in shame on you, a wordy, rambunctious number that evokes early
springsteen, ray sings of restlessly driving the roads only to be stopped
by police "looking for illegal immigrants." in the piano ballad leeds,
saliers sings of being drunk and
depressed in a hotel room watching "16 black churches burning on the tv."
the album is rarely preachy, and the sociological context--plus some canny
rock-guitar riffs--give the girls' music even more bite than it's used to.

love, 37, is both a newcomer and a veteran: a well-known figure in the
seattle music scene, she's released three albums on her own, as well as a
compilation on the independent label putumayo world music; her mostly
affable new cd octoroon
(mercury), due out may 13, is her major-label debut. love has a voice rich
with dark shadings and rural twang. she calls her music afro/celtic, but
it's mostly front-porch folk with a few twists. one song, simple, offers up
a mix of blues harmonica and funky guitar. her topics are very
coffeehouse--there's a pro-tree song--but there's also a sharp cover of
come as you are that remakes kurt cobain's anguished alternative-rock
classic into a plaintive, acoustic plea for self-acceptance. at their best,
love and indigo girls sidestep trends and go straight to the heart.

time-webmaster@pathfinder.com

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i have 2 tix for the june 3rd ig show at madison square garden that i
can't use due to work so if your interested let me know (preferably
before may 11.  the tix cost me
$25 +ticketmaster handling fee ( i don't remember what it was off the
top of my head) and the seats are in section 6 orchestra which i assume
are pretty good since i got them right at 8 am when they went on sale.
bye, jen :-)

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hi all!

boys on the side is one of my favorite movies, and definitely worth renting.
a&e make an appearance in the bar, but also toward the end of the movie.  watch
for emily sitting outside on a picnic table jammin' with the locals, and amy in
one of the last shots, when they pan around the room (while they play "anything
you want...", amy is slouched against the wall, looking cute as ever!).
peace
amanda

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at 09:15 pm 5/5/97, lori brinkman wrote:
>does anyone else get frustrated with the line "and lay your finger anywhere
>down" and always want to say "and lay your finger down anywhere" ?

me! me! me! and it's making me crazy 'cause i want to sing along sooooooo bad!

tamara <-- who's going to sit down right after finals and listen to "gotm"
over and over until she can get the lyrics in the right order! :)

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yes, the tickets went on sale a week ago.  they are coming to knoxville on
may 22nd at the worlds fair park here.  all tickets are general admission
and are $24 right now.  if you want to call for tickets the number is
423-656-4444.  it is part of the miller lite concert series.

good luck
dimestore


on fri, 2 may 1997, amy cason wrote:

> hi, all!  i'm amy, and i'm new on the list.  for those of you who watched
> rosie today and who might know, amy mentioned something about a show in
> knoxville at the end of may.  can anyone confirm a date or location?
> ticketmaster is clueless, as usual.  please let me know!! :)
>
> ac
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berkeley tickets go on sale on june first.  you can get them through cal
performances at (510)642-9988.

gotta indigo,
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hey all,

just crusin' the tv guide and this ^^^ movie is on encore right now (8pm
pacific time).  i thought y'all would get a kick out of it.

good night!

andrea
*wishing she was 21 so she could be at the melissa ferrick show :~(

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subject:      re: kmtt/austin tape tree

i wrote:

>side b:  the backyard, austin, tx, 4/3/97, practice tour.  only half

umm, so i lied about this date too.  color me distracted.  the real date
of this show is 8/20/42.  so there ya go.

(hahaha: just kidding, it's 8/20/96)

i also now have a overseas branch.   but she won't have her tape for a
while.  soooo...in case you missed it the first it the first time, here
are the branches

aries: tracy  <salray1@webtv.net>
taurus: rob <phite@cybergate.net>
gemini: trisha <bergmann@coral.rutgers.edu>
cancer: lisa <nordeelm@caa.mrs.umn.edu>
leo: lori <kevinh@plix.com>
virgo: carrie <macuzr@aol.com>
libra: bon <bonster@bp05.u.washington.edu>
scorpio: betsy <bbertiaux@spectrumctls.com>
sagittarius: gwen <gkeyt@paul.spu.edu>
capricorn: sundara <sundarling@juno.com>
aquarius: alexandra <aaogilvie@aol.com>
pisces: cathy <zmft36a@prodigy.com>

canada:  robin <robin_squires@ymca.ca>

***overseas: kathrin <kathrinsiegmund@compuserve.com>

anyway, this boot rocks my world, so get it, or be a dumb-o. tee hee.

love,
sundara

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subject:      re: gotm line

it took me about 10 listens before i could sing the line "get out the
map and lay your finger anywhere down..." the right way...naturally
one wants to say it as "get out the map and lay your finger down
anywhere....but then what word would emily use to rhyme with it??
anywhere:gotta stare.....anywhere: there's a bear....anywhere: i
heard it tear....etc..

just my .02

forever indigo
cathy

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hi,

a few days ago, kpaulus@mpinc.com (kim?) wrote that she was surprised to
hear amy singing very high notes in gotm ("i'm gonna love you good and
strong...."). when i first heard the line, i didn't recognise amy singing
the first words. i thought that they split the line up:
emily singing: "i'm gonna love you"
amy adding: "good and strong....." etc.
did anyone hear this?

anne

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ok, there seems to be a few of you out there who've not seen this show, so
here's what i'm going to do.   let's try a little experiment shall we?
it'll be along the lines of the emily handing the guitar pick to a person
17 rows back (or something like that i can't remember the post exactly).
i've got a copy of boys on the side (legal copy...i have the original
sleeve and everything!) that i'm willing to lend out.  i'm thinking of
setting something like a tape loop up.  everyone who's interested needs to
e-mail me, and i'll figure out the logistics after we find out how many
people want to participate.  the only cost will be paying the postage to
mail it to the next person.  i'm thinking everybody gets to keep it for 2
weeks or something like that..so that those who lead hectic lives can see
the whole video (it's 1hr. & 57 min. long).  the movie's a good one,  a & e
are in it,  and i think it could be the basis of a term paper for
someone...the honesty of ig listers vs. the rest of the world <just
kidding!!! for goodness sake please don't flame me, or at least wait until
thursday...my flame retardent underwear is at the cleaners>   amyray,
e-mail me if you're interested.

karen

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>does anyone have an indigo girls desktop theme for win95 that they would be
>willing to share? i can just see myself hearing a snippet of a song or one
>of the girls say "all right!" or "woo-hoo" every time i open a document :)

to urvashi/anyone,
i have some stuff if anyone wants it.  wallpaper is from n*i*s artwork -
also used for h&n cover.  wavs are all from 1200c - startup "all aboard, all
aboard, one man, his girl", shutdown: what else but a resounding "thanks
ya'll!" and the warning sound is "danger, danger, danger!".

haven't got around to an ig screensaver yet, although i did have a hilarious
ig moment yesterday. erika and i had just got back from walking my friends
dog for miles (harri - short for harriet, but not named after the spy), we
popped the cd in our computer and flopped down on the bed.  we're just lying
there listening to shame on you and i was thinking - hmm, haven't really
heard those sirens yet - i'll listen out for them...suddenly became aware of
all these other little sound effects on the track..after the 'beautiful
ladies' line there was this little sniggering giggle...then i swear i heard
a cow moo (i thought it was a subliminal galileo reference), aha, there's
the sirens....and then - do my ears deceive me - was that a fart?!! huh?
(which of course i immediately pronounced poetry;))  at this point i'm lying
there with this incredulous look on my face and my gf is absolutely pissing
herself laughing.  then i realise she's changed our screensaver to this
really cute one where you get these cows and chickens floating across the
screen making silly noises!!!
so, the moral of this story is  - turn off your screeny if you're listening
on your 'puter!!

(it's a cool saver tho' - i've got a .zip if anyone wants it...)

later,

seffy

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yeah, me too..... a screen saver wd be just fine (not the tmf one tho).
  mariavee@aol.com

<< does anyone have an indigo girls desktop theme for win95 that they would
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on tue, 6 may 1997, anne hurenkamp wrote:

> a few days ago, kpaulus@mpinc.com (kim?) wrote that she was surprised to
> hear amy singing very high notes in gotm ("i'm gonna love you good and
> strong...."). when i first heard the line, i didn't recognise amy singing
> the first words. i thought that they split the line up:
> emily singing: "i'm gonna love you"
> amy adding: "good and strong....." etc.
> did anyone hear this?
>
that's what i think too... it doesn't sound like amy's voice. who knows,
though...

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subject:      re: "you know me, jesus.."
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elena wrote:
>>(forgive me if someone has already said this, but according to the liner
notes, it is indeed "you know me and jesus".   i understood it as her
friend (tanner in the liner notes, but not actually sung in the song)>>

actually she does sing it( about her friend tanner) she says "my friend
tanner she says you know me (skips the and ) jesus we're of the same heart
the only thing that keeps us distant is that i keep @#$%in up"
i got it right away. it makes perfect sense.

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              97 12:13 am

thanks for posting this. =)

its good to see laura love get some press too!  she was absolutely
wonderful at newport '95 and i've been listening since.  folk-rock with
heavy african influences if i had to characterize it.

yet another struggling new artist alert from the list that brought you
such tips as dar williams, october project, ellis paul, and eddie from
ohio. =)

                                -- chris

p.s.  today (tuesday) is the re-release of "gotta get over greta" by
        the nields on capitol/emi.  the new version, "blue greta," has
        three more tracks -- "taxi girl," "einstein's daughter," and
        a cover of "lovely rita" with dar.

      anyone else have something i should plug? ;)

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i am be going out on a limb here, but last night at 4:30 am this
seemed brilliant.  now i'm not so sure but i guess i'll share anyhow.
if you switch the 2nd and 3rd numbers of 1694, you get the year that
amy was born - 1964.  i had to check to make sure, but this seems to
be an awfully strange coincidence.  i suppose that she chose it
because it rhymed, but it does have something to do with illegal
immigrants and legal citizens.  maybe i'm overanalyzing though... any
opinions?
anne

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at 04:50 am 5/6/97 -0400, karen asiu wrote:
>i've got a copy of boys on the side (legal copy...i have the original
>sleeve and everything!) that i'm willing to lend out.  i'm thinking of
>setting something like a tape loop up.

it's your right to do with your legal copy what you like, but wouldn't it
be better if these folks spent the amount of money they would spend on
postage to rent it?  that way, a good movie gets the rental stats it deserves.

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at 08:02 am 5/6/97 -0400, drew vogel wrote:
>on tue, 6 may 1997, anne hurenkamp wrote:
>
>> a few days ago, kpaulus@mpinc.com (kim?) wrote that she was surprised to
>> hear amy singing very high notes in gotm ("i'm gonna love you good and
>> strong...."). when i first heard the line, i didn't recognise amy singing
>> the first words. i thought that they split the line up:
>> emily singing: "i'm gonna love you"
>> amy adding: "good and strong....." etc.
>> did anyone hear this?
>>
>that's what i think too... it doesn't sound like amy's voice. who knows,
>though...

i listened to it several times, and i'm sure it's amy.  it even makes sense
in terms of the pattern of the alternating vocals.

which reminds me:  i listened to the cd for signs of a&e not singing as
much on each other's songs, and i don't see that.  they harmonize, they
alternate, they do backup... in some songs they do all three!  these are
the most special elements of their sound, and i don't find them lacking on
sots at all.

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michelle malone will be playing at boston pride on june 7th.  (that's the
latest news from her hidden water site, www.hidwater.com/mm)

i am hoping to move to the boston area in early june.  i'm looking for a
sublet, preferably in cambridge but i'm flexible as long as it's safe and
close to public transportation.  (i'll be staying longer than the summer,
but don't want to sign a long-term lease just yet.)  i would be forever
grateful to any of you boston listees who could give me a hand, pass on
any leads or suggestions on what areas are safe/affordable/cool etc.

i would be even more forever grateful to any listees who would be able to
give me a place to crash on june 5th, 6th, 7th or any part thereof, or
give me a lift to great woods, or possibly have an extra ticket i could
buy.  i can cook and i'm good car entertainment if i do say so myself.  :)

thanks y'all!

....audrey

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just wanted to say that i absolutely loved the show..actually, it was what
got me started on the girls...the soundtrack featured power of two and that
was the song that set me looking..and now, i'm hooked for life..

loved the scene in the pub where amy sang joking....and later on when they
were just sitting around..woohoo...i bought the tape and i've watched it
countless of times

siti

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take your first shot baby
it'll be real clean
i'm your girl
strong and mean
                                amy ray
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absolutely loved the show..actually, it was what got me started on the =
girls...the soundtrack featured power of two and that was the song that =
set me looking..and now, i'm hooked for life..<br><br>loved the scene in =
the pub where amy sang joking....and later on when they were just =
sitting around..woohoo...i bought the tape and i've watched it countless =
of times<br><br>siti<br><br>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<br>take your =
first shot baby<br>it'll be real clean<br>i'm your girl<br>strong and =
mean<br> amy =
ray<br>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~</p>
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not that i want to be pushy or anything :) but i have only received a few
offers for volunteering time to a worthy cause for e